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Rambling 296: Godzilla: The True Story Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised. Jack: Going live in 5, 4. Cristina: What does live mean? Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack. Cristina: And I'm your host, Cristina. Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today, I thought it would be really cool if we looked at something that happened recently and unpacked how the world has reacted in response to these things that have occurred to Godzilla. Godzilla. I mean, I guess I wonder how people would react to Godzilla. I know there would be people who would be like, wow, it was based on truth. Instantly, a bunch of conspiracy theorists are gonna say, we were right all along. And the elites always put the truth in front of you because they have to tell you for whatever deal they made with something. Cristina: If it's part of conspiracy, then did they. Did the government, the world government, or whatever make Godzilla interesting? Jack: Or Godzilla could be a demon, a deity of some sort. God. God is in the name. Somebody's gonna put that connection together. Cristina: He's a God that was hidden, but someone knew about him. So did the government hide him until he broke loose or until the government was like, you know, the world government was like, okay, these people are out of control. We gotta let this guy loose. Jack: You think? Okay, okay, let's go back. You think the government made Godzilla? Cristina: No, I'm not saying they made him, but if they kept him a secret, then they probably have him locked up. Jack: Yes. Yes. Okay, fair enough. Fair enough. So the premise here is ultimately right. We're gonna fix this. This is gonna make a lot of sense. The premise here is two things. Regardless of how Godzilla is real and two, actually, three concepts that need to work here. Godzilla is real. And we're gonna prove this somehow. Cristina: Sure. Jack: And two, the government somehow knew. Somehow, somehow. Cristina: Whether they kept it or they just knew where he was or something. Jack: And three, that's because we only know about Godzilla to begin with. Because the government always has to tell us whatever they're doing, even if in secrecy. So they have to put it in front of us somehow. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Because the elites have to show us they made a deal with something. As we know is whatever theory. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And they have to show you. They got to tell you what they're doing, so they'll do it in cryptic ways so you don't know, but you know, or whatever. Cristina: I don't get it. I think it's so you can be used to it, so that when it happens, you're not as scared. Except the point of showing it is to scare you. Like, I don't. I don't know. So, like, they show it to you so that you. When it does happen, you're not too freaked out about it. Because they don't want you to kill yourself. Because at the end of the day, they still need you alive. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: For whatever their evil plan is. They just need you to know that it was possible. And then when it's possible when it's there, then. Jack: But I don't know why they would want you to know about Godzilla. Cristina: Why would they? They want us to know about everything. Aliens? Jack: Yeah. That's why. I think it's not that they're trying to descend. I think those people are wrong. If. If our three things are to be true, then they don't want us to know about Godzilla because they're unleashing Godzilla to kill us. Cristina: No. Jack: To do what? Why? Why would. Okay, let's. Let's work on one of these problems at a time. Cristina: Okay? Jack: Why are they. Cristina: Who. Jack: Somehow the theory that you're going with is they're trapping Godzilla. Godzilla? Maybe they could have made Godzilla, but Godzilla could have existed beforehand. Cristina: Yes. Jack: So it could happen either way. Maybe it was an accident. It could be that the story they told us about Godzilla was accurate. Cristina: It's just a natural thing that happened out from radiation hitting a lizard or something. From their bombs. Jack: Is that the initial story? Cristina: Something like that. Like they. We bombed Japan and then Godzilla was made. No. Jack: Okay, okay, okay, hold on. Let's. Let's f******. Without looking it up first, let's. Let's make our assumption. Okay, so you think war. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And nuclear waste. 00:05:00 Cristina: Yes. And then lizard and nuclear waste equals Godzilla. Jack: Okay, okay. I think cautionary tale. Power plant or chemical waste plant or something. Cristina: Yeah. And a lizard. Jack: Yeah. Wait, but you're saying war? Cristina: Well, it could be either or. Jack: Okay, you're just saying chemical. Cristina: Chemicals. A lizard, Godzilla. Jack: Chemicals. A lizard Godzilla. I agree. I think. I think it's a cautionary term. Cristina: Chemicals. I think it's bit a lizard and made Godzilla. Jack: Chemicals. Bit a lizard. Cristina: It's like Spider Man. Jack: Okay, fair enough. Kind of like the Ninja Turtles. Cristina: Yes. Jack: I mean, to be fair, that story. Cristina: The Ninja Turtles of whatever that story. Jack: Is about four N4 turtles that got bit by a radioactive rat, Right? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: And didn't he find them already mutated and turned into. No, they were just turtles. Cristina: Turtles. And you're saying he made them? The rat, the rat made them? Is he the villain? I don't think so. I think he found Them? No, the bad guy probably made them by accident. Doing weird experiment things. Jack: I bet. I bet it's some crap like that. Cristina: Experiments or an accident. Jack: No, I think. Yeah, it would probably have been like. And then he was trying the. His quest in life was to stop what he. The problem he created. So he spent his whole life trying to fix the issue of four mutant rats. I mean, turtles and a. I don't know. Maybe he made the rat too. They knew each other or something. Wasn't Master Splinter his master? Cristina: And he's just a dude. It's just a regular human dude against some wild animals. Jack: Any train. Cristina: And he's bad. Jack: Well, I don't know. I think I could be wrong. I don't know why. This is the memory, and I'm not gonna look it up. We're never gonna find out, okay? Because I've never seen the Ninja Turtles. I've read so little about the Ninja Turtles. I think, like, I literally don't even know how they became. Cristina: Like. Jack: I'm assuming it's waste if my memory says waste to some degree. Right? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: I think the rat knew martial arts because the guy taught it. But as you have brought up the question, did this guy teach a normal rat martial arts and that rat then went off into the world and became a mutant freak? Or did this guy make or find a mutant rat? Cristina: I can't believe he actually. No, I don't think he has to do anything with them. That can't be part of the story. It doesn't make sense. Jack: Then how the h*** did. He's a good guy. It doesn't matter what the h*** we're looking at. This guy is probably trying to just stop these weird animal freaks. Does he have targets? Does he harm people? Cristina: I think he's a criminal. Jack: Oh, he's a criminal. Cristina: I'm pretty sure he's doing crime. Jack: Are they superheroes? Cristina: I think so. Because I feel like the girl that's involved is also, like, a journalist or something. Jack: Holy s***. Are they Spider Man? Cristina: Yes. They're just like Superman. Jack: Are they super strong? Don't they have to, like, know martial arts? They gotta combat these guys one to one. They're not like one shotting everybody. Cristina: But they're. It's hard to hurt them. They're turtles, I guess. They have the highest defense. They might not be the fastest or strongest, but they're defense man. Jack: In a world where other creatures also mutated in a similar fashion. If we said they all approximated to about the same size, why would that happen? I don't Know even why the turtles began with. Okay, the least defensive thing Would probably be a standing turtle. Cristina: Well, maybe they can do stuff with their shells. I don't know. Jack: How could they see you if the only way for that defense to be high up, and you'd still have six points that you can be poked or stabbed or killed through? Yeah, you're just upping your defense. It's not perfect. Cristina: You think it. They're less defensive, though? Jack: I don't think they're less offensive. I think they're just lame. Cristina: They are pretty lame. Yeah. Jack: Yeah, yeah. In fact, we would have to increase the size of these turtles to make everybody the size of the biggest already existing. So the elephant is the only creature that wouldn't increase in size. All the other creatures would. 00:10:00 Jack: Except giraffe. We'll see the elephant, the giraffe. That's where we cap off. They don't change. Everything below them must increase in size to be at least the height of the elephant. If the turtles went up. Cristina: Yes, because they're like godzilla, who was a little lizard. Because it was smaller than them. Probably. Jack: Yes. But their soft spot is going to be larger. Yes. Cristina: Their soft spot. Jack: Yeah. The flat, the six points where the head goes in, where the two front and back legs going, and where the tail goes in, which is actually not different holes. Usually you have two large slits which are where their arms, the top arm, the top legs, and their head are. And then where their tail and back and hind legs are. Those are the two exits. So those two soft spots, as the turtle gets larger Would then be more vulnerable and be a larger target for the opponents. And if they're hiding, to remove their head, arms, and legs. Cristina: I don't know why they pick turtles. I don't know. It makes no sense. Jack: Yeah. They couldn't see you. Cristina: I thought they picked something cooler. Jack: They couldn't see you. Cristina: Turtles was cool. And then they gave them the attitude of spider man. I'm imagining that they came out around the same time on spider man because they have that boyish attitude that spider man has. But there's what, four or five of them? Jack: Say that again. Cristina: That they have the same attitude that spider man has. Jack: Yeah, they're broad out and, like making jokes. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Except the angry red one. Cristina: Huh? Jack: He doesn't make jokes. Right. He's serious. Cristina: I don't know. There's an angry ninja turtle. Jack: I thought there was an angry red one. Cristina: I don't. I don't know. Jack: I know. Hold on. Let me see. Cristina: I don't even know if there's four or five of them. I don't even know the number of turtles. Jack: I think there's four turtles and a girl turtle. Four dude turtles. Cristina: Girl turtle. Jack: There's a dudette turtle. Cristina: There's not a dudette turtle. There's a girl, but she's not a turtle. Jack: No, there's a girl. Cristina: There's not a girl turtle. Jack: I promise you there's a girl. Cristina: She must have came out way later because the original turtles are. No. Are just boy turtles. Jack: No. I mean, yeah, sure, but there's a girl turtle. No, there is a hundred percent a girl turtle. Cristina: When did they introduce a girl turtle? It makes no sense. Jack: I think pretty early. Cristina: Are you positive? Jack: I guarantee you there is a girl. Cristina: But she's not a turtle. She's a human. Jack: There's a female ninja turtle. I swear to God. No. Cristina: What does that mean? Jack: She got turtle b****. Cristina: That's exactly what I was picturing. But no, there's not ninja turtle. No. Jack: In turn, she's blue. Girl turtle. Cristina: But that's just a made up turtle. Jack: She's blue and light. She's light. Cristina: She's not one of them. They just turned one of their turtles into a female turtle. Jack: No, they got blue. They got b****. Cristina: No, look, there's a. That's him. Jack: No, no. Cristina: Yes, there is that guy. They just changed his sex, but he still. No, there's no female ninja turtle. Jack: What is her name? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: There you go. Cristina: Ew. Jack: Yeah, there's just a chick that's lighter blue. Cristina: When did she. But she's not part of the original Ninja turtles. Jack: You probably not. I don't. Sure you could tell. I'll go with that. I have no idea. Cristina: I just know they don't look like teens anymore. I don't know what they're supposed to be. Now you see that girl? She's the girl. And she's just a human in the yellow suit. Jack: That's the reporter. Cristina: Yeah, I think something like that. Jack: There's just an extra turtle here who isn't even a chick. Cristina: I don't know what's happening. Jack: Yeah, but you get the point. Cristina: No, I don't. What was the point? That they. Jack: There's a female turtle. Cristina: The turtles. Originally there's like four turtles, now there's. Jack: Five and there's a chick. And I think it's been like that since like the second iteration. Cristina: No, he's like. Even the newest projects, you don't see the girl turtle. Jack: Oh, fair enough. Maybe they just don't like. Maybe sexism is alive. Cristina: Maybe. Jack: Okay, There are three scenarios here that are depicted in films that we can use to try to understand Godzilla right now. Cristina: Okay. Jack: One, nuclear testing. You were right. My specifics on it being a power plant was wrong. 00:15:00 Jack: But it wasn't war, it was for war. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It was just test site, probably some random a** island in the middle of nowhere, but had wildlife. Biology suggests in other films that it was a prehistoric kind of dinosaur. Cristina: I don't understand. Jack: So upon the discovery of this dinosaur that was somehow living underwater, is it. Cristina: Like that movie where they found King Kong in the center of the world? Jack: Kind of, yeah. Cristina: Like she's just sleeping in the center of the world and somehow she pops out here. Or he. She. I don't know what Godzilla is. Jack: Well, she. I think she's neither. Cristina: Okay, Well, I think she's like a. Jack: Frog could just, you know, asexually reproduce. Cristina: But Godzilla was down there. Jack: Yeah. Or just sleeping at the bottom of the ocean or something like Nessie. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And so, yeah, that's the other idea. Cristina: And there's a third one. Jack: The third one is essentially a hybrid logic where there was this maybe unknown reptile that was exposed to some chemical waste and that. So it's sort of both things. It had a unique chemistry that then allowed it to become. Cristina: I'm not sure what you tried to say. Jack: There are other lizards and other things in the same water with the same lizard that then became Godzilla. Godzilla was either amongst the species that it was the last of, or it had wandered off into a different eg area and reached the radiation. And its unique DNA had its reaction to the exposure to be turning into this large thing and nothing else did. Because the logic would be why would radiation turn this one lizard huge and not all the others, which is legit? Cristina: I don't know. Because like, if he's real, then what stops all the other things that they are showing us to be real? Jack: Legit. So assuming that Godzilla is a self contained situation, then we can write off the nuclear test site is wrong. And it's probably some kind of creature that has existed for a long time. Meaning the government found it. Cristina: Okay. Jack: They didn't make it. They saw this thing. Who knows how long it's been hidden or caught. But the government has it. We don't know when or why. We just know that they have it. Cristina: Okay, solved. Jack: They caught some sort of ancient creature. Cristina: That's what they do. Jack: Yes. Okay, now how do they know its capabilities? Cristina: They gotta experiment on it like they do. Jack: But how? Where? I guess we, no matter what, we can make a Space large enough. If we have enough funds, it doesn't matter. Cristina: Yeah, maybe it's where we say the aliens are. What's that spot? Area 52. Area? Jack: Yeah, giant location where it could fire whatever beam into nowhere. Cristina: They're experimenting on it. That's how they make their flying ships. They're not using alien technology. They're using an alien like creature. I guess. Jack: Fair enough. And its energy beam is what taught us about lasers and s***. Cristina: Yep, yep, yep. Jack: Interesting. Okay, so then now the question is, why would they release it? To do what? Cristina: To get us not to not. It's confusing because it has to do with Jesus coming back to life and the rapture. But it's like the government is against Jesus. So I don't know. I try to understand these conspiracies, but it's always something like this. Jack: Okay, well, assuming the whole Jesus thing is wrong and the rapture isn't gonna happen, grounding this in the re. In being as real as possible, what are some reasons the government might release Godzilla? Like, what's a real concern that they would be like, oh, get the people in check. I mean, maybe think about it. Think about it. We got conspiracy project 100% to fight the aliens. No, if some government. That's probably why they show us this movie specifically. Right. It's like, oh, we found this creature is one movie. But hey, he helps us from time to time. Cristina: Yeah, Godzilla sometimes not that bad. Jack: I bet they've always been working on mind control technology in order to figure it out for Godzilla. Maybe. Maybe it's not a creature they can control. So they maintain it tied and sedated because it's like, dude, this dinosaur 00:20:00 Jack: is bigger than most of our mega structures. Cristina: Yes. Like, why are they gonna. It's not to attack us. Like, they don't need a giant lizard, dude. Jack: Also, the size depiction of Godzilla tells us that maybe Godzilla has been around and we've seen it throughout time. Because think about the different scales. Sometimes it's just the right size to fight King Kong, and King Kong is so small, it had to climb to the top of the Empire State Building. Cristina: Yeah, he's not that. Jack: He's not that big. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Other times, Godzilla is so tremendously f****** large that it is the height of the Empire State Building. Cristina: So what are we. What are we saying? It's actual sizes? Then I think maybe the child, if there's children version is the size of King Kong. Jack: And really the adult is what we're holding back. That's the. When we're talking about, we let Some creature out to protect Earth. That's what we're talking about. We're talking about that really big one we're hoping the guy we can control at some point. Because we're going to need it for when the big s*** comes to. When the meteor is almost here. Shoot a beam into the sky. Cristina: Could be okay to stop the, you. Jack: Know, aliens are coming. Start attacking. Fire all you've got. Cristina: You don't think it's like a government thing? Like, they know the other. Every country has their own Godzilla thing. And they're like, okay, if someone releases their Godzilla, then you got the. You got to press the button to release our Godzilla. Kind of like the nuclear crisis, except with monsters. Jack: Then. Then America doesn't have Godzilla. Cristina: Why not? Jack: Because Godzilla's Japanese, Right? Cristina: I don't know. Because I think it comes from us doing the experiment with radiation. Them seeing what we're doing. That created the fear. Jack: But they caught the creature. It's their creature. It was over there. Cristina: So. Or maybe we're attacking them with it. Jack: I have a theory that works with a lot of the world. Godzilla is Japanese, and we have our own creature. Theirs was our fault. Cristina: Okay? Jack: Ours was our intention. Cristina: Oh, what is ours? Jack: I don't know. What creature do we talk about in any manner, shape or form that makes absolute sense as an equivalent to Godzilla? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: Was King Kong our creation? Cristina: I think so. Jack: We have a giant ape somewhere. Cristina: Somewhere does not really compare to Godzilla. Jack: But no, we went to Jurassic Park. We went to. Yes, we went. Yes, we went to Brazil and found King Kong. Right. Cristina: I don't know. Jack: We went to some random jungle out in a different country. It wasn't over here. No, we didn't capture King Kong and bring him over here. We went back to King Kong. Cristina: I know. Jack: We did capture King Kong at some point. That's how he got to the Empire State Building. Cristina: Yes, we captured him from the island he was at. Jack: Yes. But that's the story of how that went wrong. Okay, so is Jurassic Park. Yes, but I think you're right. I think we were like, we can do bigger and better, and we could do it with nothing but money. Cristina: Yeah. So we made not just one many. Jack: We got all of them. We got hella creatures bigger and badder than all your creatures. Cristina: I don't know if any of them compare to Godzilla. Yeah. If you look at the biggest dinosaur and put it next to Godzilla, is it competing? But even if it was competing in size, like, it doesn't have the ability to. Jack: Yes, Godzilla. Some other That's. Cristina: Even if Godzilla was smaller in size, does it matter if it shoots out beams? Jack: Yeah, it's like a pure energy. Like it'll cut, it'll. Cristina: It's. Jack: It's a lightsaber. Cristina: Yes. Like it doesn't matter what we have. No matter how large it is, there's no winning. Jack: I know. You know, like, I don't think it's gonna be. Man, that. That would be nuts. Cristina: You're looking up. Let me see, let me see. Jack: The largest dinosaur was about 85ft long and potentially as tall as a three story building at most. Cristina: And what is Godzilla size? Jack: Yeah. Now the question is, what was at its largest? Cristina: There's many, so. Yeah. Jack: Yeah, straight up. It varies from film to film, but the largest is 00:25:00 Jack: is 350ft. How tall is the Empire State Building? Nah, nah, nah, nah. So this creature was around tall buildings, but it wasn't the size of the Empire State Building. The Empire State Building ain't a joke. Godzilla's tallest size was 350ft. The Empire State Building is a hundred and fourteen fifty four feet. Cristina: Okay. And what was the tallest dinosaur? Jack: The tallest dinosaur was roughly half the size of Godzilla. With our estimate being that the possible for the largest dinosaur was roughly 122ft. But the largest we've seen that we believe can get to that size at its highest point was 85. So Godzilla will s*** on anything. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Anything. How big was the biggest King Kong? Cristina: I still don't think it's gonna compete. Jack: King Kong stands at approximately 104ft. Cristina: That's kind of whack. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: I don't understand. Jack: Biggest Godzilla is three and a half times bigger. Cristina: Yeah. That's ridiculous. Jack: Yeah. He would stop this. Cristina: He's huge and he's got powers. Who is. Who is fighting Japan if this was Japan's creature? Jack: I don't know. Cristina: That's why it has. It can't be. Jack: No. That's why we made so many investments. That's why we made so many. We're compensating. Cristina: I think Godzilla is our creature. And whenever we're not happy with Japan, we release it on Japan. Jack: Oh, s***. Maybe there wasn't a nuke. Maybe we were testing, ended up with this thing and sent that out. Cristina: Yes. And that's why they fear us and it. Because it. It's the same thing. It's us. We are their nightmare. We are Godzilla. Jack: Interesting point. So then the question is, when was the first Godzilla movie and when do we drop the bomb? Cristina: Oh, I bet that the bomb came first. I'm betting I'm betting. Jack: You think the. The bombs hit first? Cristina: Yes. If not, then at least when we started testing had to come first. Jack: Okay. Okay. We found something strange here. The first Godzilla movie. Go, Jira. Literally, the name, how you're supposed to say it, it's like in quotation marks here. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Came out on November 3, 1954. Cristina: What are you saying? Like, it happened a day later or something. Jack: Hiroshima. Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Jack: Was dropped on August 6, 1945. That was 10 years before the 11 years earlier. No, nine years back. That's nine years back. So the bombs got dropped first? Cristina: Yes. And then shortly after they make a movie. Jack: Shortly after they make a movie. Cristina: Yeah, yeah. Jack: And the area was supposed to be radiated for really exaggeratedly long time. That's wrong, though. So now it's common knowledge that, no, it's gonna be livable eventually. Cristina: So you're questioning if it was actually what we said it was? Jack: Yeah. Was Godzilla really released into. Cristina: Yes. What? I don't know. Jack: You think that'd be crazy? Cristina: No. Jack: What if we really. What if? Cristina: Really? Jack: What happened is the United States released Godzilla as a warning. But then the question is, how far apart were these? No, they were three days apart. Cristina: What was three days apart? Jack: Hiroshima. We dropped the bomb on August 6, 1945, and just erased that in Nagasaki was August 9 where we dropped it. This was three days later. There is only one possibility. If what you're talking about is the case, we have more than one. And that's why there are different sizes. The fat quote, Fat man bomb was the big one. Because the first one we let go was called the Little Boy. And the little boy could just be the small 00:30:00 Jack: Godzilla. Cristina: Yeah. And because these maybe are scientific experiments, like, maybe once they do their damage, they die. Like, maybe not leave them. They don't actually live, though. Jack: Oh, like they're gonna be. Like, they're gonna die quickly. Cristina: Yeah, they die quickly. Because they're not really. They're. They're radiated. They're. They're. They're animals, but they're not. Like, why would a radiated animal and all these stories, they stay alive and healthy and everything. Like, that's not true. They die immediately. Wouldn't they? Jack: All the other creatures. Cristina: Any creature. Jack: You mean the Godzilla? Cristina: Yes, the Godzilla. Like, any radiator. Jack: How did we get it to that size if it's gonna die quickly? It would have died long before it. Cristina: Reached that size because we hadn't had it woken up. Maybe. Maybe. Jack: We're finding these creatures, right? We're trapped. We're capturing them. Or we're making them. Did we make Godzilla? No, because we found them. We found them. This is a fact. We found these creatures. Cristina: Yes, but maybe we found their eggs and then we still have. Jack: They still have to grow naturally. Right. Because it's. We've established some creatures, a dinosaur. Cristina: Okay. Maybe they just diabetely out of their environment, Their natural environment. Jack: But they'll be right next to the water. Isn't it from the water that we're getting them? Cristina: No. From somewhere super duper radiated. Jack: No, because they're just. Unless we found somewhere naturally radiated on the planet. Cristina: Yeah, maybe because it's an ancient creature that happens to go into a radiated area that creates the Godzilla. Jack: So the argument is there's a lizard that hangs out in a raid. There's a spot naturally on earth that's always radiated. Cristina: Yes. Or that we turned it into radiated and just. Jack: No, these are dinosaurs. Cristina: These are dinosaurs. Jack: These are dinosaurs. We've established that. That the government had nothing to do with it. Cristina: No. Yes. Jack: So we must be finding these. Cristina: Yes. Jack: There must be somewhere on earth that's naturally radiated. Cristina: Okay, yeah, maybe. Jack: Or are we just finding dinosaurs? There's some kind of unique nessie like creature, basically. Right. But why can it shoot a beam from its mouth? We gotta justify that. That's the radiation we had justified size. I guess more ancient dinosaurs than the dinosaurs were used. So that's really what's happening. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And because of that it was de down. And because of that, like it hibernates deeper down in the planet. Cristina: But we can hear it through Russia because they have that giant hole in the ground that makes really spooky sounds. Maybe it's just the dinosaurs. Jack: Maybe they don't sleep underground. Cristina: What? Jack: Maybe they sleep and live underground. And this is one of many. And they're always down there. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And what we hear through the hole. Cristina: Is that they're just. They live down there and it's radiated. Jack: And then we find. No, they don't even have to be radiated. The size, it just works different down there. Cristina: Okay. It's not radiation. Jack: Yeah. But they. They live around lava and immense pressure. Cristina: So maybe where does the beams come from? Jack: I don't know. I don't know. Maybe it's kind of like they're doing something through the. They learn, they evolve naturally. Being able to do a combination of something with air the way that that crab underwater does that make a small explosion. Cristina: Seriously, it's just. It's. There's some scientific reason. Jack: Scientific reason why it can shoot out lasers. Yeah. If we think about like a way to first create an air funnel. Maybe you have some sort of internal system that works like gills but for oxygen. So that you can open and suck in air from one side as you're simultaneously pumping the air out through a more narrow air. Cristina: So radiation has nothing to do with it? No, that's just the story Japan believes because of what we said we were doing. Yes, they put the scientific experiment to it. That's part of the story because that's the story they were told. But we're just lying. Jack: Or you're right and it is radiation. But then it happened by accident. Yes, and. But no, it wouldn't make sense. How did this creature so immediately after. Cristina: They'Re attacking die? Jack: I mean there's a ten year period. Well, we'll say the nine year period. We'll say a movie started being made a year after the events at earliest and the movie got put out a year later. So two year gap. So two years before it would have had to happen. So there would have been only seven years for that lizard to go from as small as it was to as big as it was. It wouldn't happen. The only way would be if this thing was growing for infinities. Cristina: Yes, it already has to be that big. Jack: It already had to be that big for many, many, many, many year. Hundreds of years maybe. Cristina: So they found it. They found it 00:35:00 Cristina: and then it died. Jack: Yeah. So it's from the center of the earth. It comes out here and whatever trick it could do. But again. Okay, wait, we're trying to figure out this trick. Right? So it has some gill like system. It should in theory be able to open some thing to pull in air and have a different where it's shooting the fire from. Should have some kind of like narrower airway so that if you're pulling in twice the amount of air then you have some sort of a pump and you could shoot out the air continuously. Then that's solid. You could. Cristina: You somehow makes lasers. The air turns and say lasers. Jack: Well, the laser wouldn't exactly be a laser. Maybe that's just a weird depiction and it's not like a lightsaber. Maybe it's more like fire. Cristina: Okay. Like a dragon. Jack: Like a dragon. And so it's breathing this in and kind of like a venomous snake that can spit out this kind of thing onto you or something like that. Maybe. Cristina: Why wasn't Godzilla just a story about a dragon? Because we have so many dragon stories. Why wasn't this just a different dragon story? Jack: Maybe the Japanese don't Have fire breathing dragons? Maybe we have fire breathing dragons. Maybe that's a western thing. Cristina: Japan, I mean, China didn't have dragon that breath fire. Jack: I don't know. I have no idea. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Why you think it was What? Cristina: I don't know. Because like, wouldn't they just say it's a dragon that's attacking us and not some scientific experiment attacking us? Jack: Well, they think it happened after the bombs. Here would be the theory. Right. Grounding this a little farther. We dropped the bombs. Cristina: I thought they were the bombs that we dropped. Jack: Well, this is me adjusting. Okay, we dropped the bombs. No, they have to be the bombs. Yeah, but assuming I'm wrong, we dropped the bombs and the bomb woke the thing up. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It's the only time we've ever dropped these bombs. Ever. It's the only time nukes have been used on these areas that aren't just abandoned islands in the middle of nowhere, deserts that are uninhabited. We're dropping it where there's people and foliage. Cristina: I woke this ancient dinosaur up, and. Jack: It woke this ancient dinosaur up. Cristina: Okay. Jack: That could be why they, like, the bombs dropped. Then the thing happened. So that the. The whole story about the bombs. I bet Godzilla did not attack either one of those two places. What place in Japan did Godzilla attack? Tokyo. Cristina: Tokyo. Okay, that's random. Jack: I guess because it was like a real super mega area. We were just attacking normal civilian areas that had a base, I guess for control, it was military related, trying to calm them down or whatever the h*** we were trying to do. Tokyo? Yeah. So that takes place in Tokyo. So that's a possibility. One of two scenarios explains the attack of Godzilla on Tokyo. Either we dropped two bombs and woke something up. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Or these bombs were the lizards and they wandered off. Cristina: That could also be it. That means. Yeah, I don't know. Because like if we did wake up a lizard up, there was just one lizard. Jack: Maybe not. Maybe there was a bunch of lizards. Or maybe we knocked something down underground that allowed one of these already existing creatures from underneath. But we can go back to the original concept that they. That we, the United States, found a way to go down there and get these creatures that have always been down there. Because we do hear something when we hear down. No matter what, these creatures are underground. How we acquired them is now the question. We found out where they are. Cristina: They're underground. Jack: They're underground. Did they originally pop up in Japan? Or did we go get them probably through that hole in Russia, and then keep them? But how do we transport the biggest one? Cristina: Yes. Jack: Problem. We should have a base where we're finding them. Cristina: Alaska. Jack: Alaska is probably a really good place. There's a bunch of rural places out here. 51. 100. Yeah. Cristina: Area 51. Jack: Yeah. Just holes that go deep. And we just have access to pulling these things up and keeping them around the hole so we can throw them right back down if we don't need it. How are we going to dispose of this s***? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: You know, because we tried. Maybe we tried to dispose of some that went wrong. And that's why we have stories of some coming out of the water. Cristina: Okay. You know, 00:40:00 Cristina: and then still, like, any alien story could be pointed to this creature because it could be more than one creature that's down there. Like, they don't all have to look the same. Jack: Yeah. What are they eating if they all look the same? Cristina: Yeah. So, like, if they're like. If they're dinosaur like, I guess, which is very lizard like, so very alien like. Jack: Yeah. And it's definitely. There's lava if they go deep enough. But I don't think they're so deep. I think they're just deep enough that they don't normally get to us or ever. And water must be down there, too. They're ocean levels. Deep, deeper. Slightly deeper. They're slightly deeper. They're in the gaps of air underneath the ocean. And then we found ways. And we tell people, the normal civilians don't have access to the technology that can take us so deep to withstand that level of pressure. But the government's never going to tell us that it does. And it can easily get down there and it can access these creatures and get to them. Cristina: And then what? Just attack countries with them? Jack: But then this. Yeah. Like you said, one country has King Kong, one country has Godzilla. One country has this thing. One country has that thing. One country found it, used it. Other countries found out about it and figured out how to get more. So chances are we have maybe different countries have different size Godzillas. I got a really old Godzilla that's the size of this. Cristina: Okay. All those different ideas. Jack: I got a really huge moth. Cristina: Huge moth is Russian thing that they attack us with. Jack: Yeah. You know, anybody can have anything and they could be getting it from the same place. You just gotta have the technology to go get it and the ability to. Cristina: Restrain it, which I don't know if anyone does have that, though. I don't know. Jack: Then how do we stop the ones that were. We. We. Cristina: I think you can still kill them. I think killing them isn't like a hard thing to do. It's just like hiding the body and then making up stories to what actually happened. Jack: So you have to be able to control it. You can't just kill it. You got to kill it in the water. Cristina: Yeah. You have to kill it in a way that hide. Like, you gotta. You still have to, like. Jack: Fair enough. So then perhaps still like every alien. Cristina: Story where the government came by, asked a bunch of questions, told a lie about what actually happened, and like, I have a theory. Yeah. What? Jack: Maybe it was one. Cristina: Was one what? Jack: The first one caused small destruction as compared to the second one, the one that caused great destruction. They were both powerful. But what if the first one was Godzilla doing it? Little boy was Godzilla. Cristina: And the second one was to kill Godzilla. Jack: Was the. Kill Godzilla. The bomb. Cristina: Okay. Jack: What Godzilla was doing. We're testing it. We're seeing if Godzilla works. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And then it kept wandering, and we're like, how do we control it? Okay, here we go. Well, it worked. Gone. No proof. Cristina: Mmm. Jack: Two part system. It'll keep destroying more than a nuke can if you just let it keep going. Yes, they tested that on the first one. It'll do. Nuke levels of destruction. And until we decide to stop it, it'll keep going. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Can we stop it? Well, let's find out. Here we go. Boom. Cristina: Okay. Yeah. They have to get rid of it. Jack: They have to get rid of it. Maybe the government has the ability to drop things like this at random. Cristina: Crazy. And it's all the governments. Jack: Then many, many, many governments have the ability to drop some colossal creature onto other governments, onto other countries. Cristina: Yeah, to just attack. Jack: Or maybe not. Maybe it's just a few. Depends who has stories of disability. We're the only people who are like, oh, no, we can't. We control it. It's our thing. We call on that show, we want it. Of course we use it. In the middle of the ocean, nowhere, where nobody knows where the h*** people are. Like, oh, how did the Americans shoot down that boat all the way over there? And it's like, we don't need to. Cristina: Know, but we're still. We're still lying about what it's happening. Jack: Yeah, I bet. If we can't control it. No, man, that's a question, right? How do we. We don't have mind control. We're still trying to figure it out. Yeah, if we could control something that big, we'd be controlling humans long since. Cristina: But there's no way we can. Jack: There's no way we can. So we're not using it casually. That has to be Wrong. We're definitely lying about what happened. But I'm pretty sure we dropped a thing that caused nuke sized damage. Cristina: And then we used the nuke. Jack: And we used the 00:45:00 Jack: nuke to see if that could stop it. Now there's no proof that it ever existed. It's gone. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Evaporated the bones into nothing. Cristina: That could be it. Huh? Jack: Simple. Although I think bones would survive a nuke. They would just be crispy. I have no idea. Maybe if you're close enough, you get disintegrated into powder. Cristina: But like, even if you find the bones, am I still dinosaur bones? I don't know. Jack: Yeah, and that's why the wood. That's my point. Like, it would have to be at a point that it gets incinerated, Right? That's the only way that you have zero. Cristina: Zero proof. Jack: Zero proof. Okay. No, the bones would totally disappear. Cristina: So. Jack: Interesting. If this says the bones of a person would disappear, then the question is to go directly and do the size. How big would a bone have to. Cristina: Be to not disappear? Jack: To not disappear. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Okay. All right. So let's do some breakdowns here. Humans would get eviscerated into nothingness and cease to exist. See, even their bones, which are our thickest, densest part, Godzilla's bones. To scale appropriately to its size, maintain its weight, and be logical according to how gravity and whatnot works, it would be about 20 times thicker than a human bones. Cristina: It's pretty thick. Jack: Yes. Even then, at ground zero, it would be so obliterated into nothingness, vaporize into beyond dust, that there would be no evidence it ever existed. Well, a nuke would erase the existence of such a creature at ground zero impact, you make it the target. Boom. Gone. There's no evidence it ever existed. Cristina: So we could have released Godzilla onto Japan and then murdered the Godzilla that we made? Jack: Yes. We didn't make Godzilla. Cristina: Oh yeah, we freed Godzilla, released Godzilla out to Japan, then killed it. Then they made a movie about it. Jack: Yes. Yes. The argument would be that we dropped a Godzilla on Hiroshima on August 9, 1945. And three days later, in Nagasaki in August 9 on 1945, we dropped a nuke to get rid of it, testing our entire scenario. And it worked. And nobody has f***** with us since? Cristina: I guess so. Except everyone keeps making bombs. Jack: Yes. Because they know how to stop it. Cristina: Yes, I guess so. Because they saw that we were able to stop it. Jack: Interesting. Fascinating. Cristina: So all of those bombs are not Nobody's using? Jack: Nope, nobody's Just a single one. Cristina: And also, it's just too Many. Why would you need that? More than one. They're probably country. Jack: Yeah. These are probably controlled nukes to create small blast areas with the same intense energy in the small area. So if you have a lot, you're not causing widespread destruction. Nobody has shot a nuke at anybody anymore. We're waiting. Cristina: For what? For these monsters pop up. Jack: Yes. And we're efficientizing them. We're always making it more efficient. Knowing somebody might have one of these. Cristina: Things, someone might release one. That's the real danger. Jack: Interesting. Cristina: Whoa. That's so crazy. Because we have the most nukes, but we're the one with the obvious amount of creatures. Most likely, too. Jack: Well, we're not. Cristina: I think we are. Jack: We have so many. Oh, so we're just like you guys. Couldn't release one on us for any reason. We'll drop a nuke instantly. Cristina: I think we also are protecting ourselves from our own monsters. Jack: Our monsters. Their release of their monsters on us. Well, now, here's something interesting. We would be screwed in an attack. Because we're thinking a couple of episodes ago, we're doing where would we get attacked through, right? And like, if. What would we do in a scenario like that? We didn't consider something like this. But if something like this were to happen, the most likely location to drop it off would be in the ocean and let it come to us. So they don't have to put themselves in danger. So they would just get close, but they wouldn't hover over our airspace. We drop it in the ocean near us, and it would find land in our direction. Coasts would be f***** up. The coasts are the way in for whatever creatures dropped in the water near us and for land. Cristina: But why are we dropping creatures in the water? Jack: War. What if we're invading the United States? Cristina: We, The United States? Jack: No, like, people. Humans. Oh, humans are invading the United 00:50:00 Jack: States. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: So Russia is like, yeah, let's attack. What if that's what's happening near Alaska right now? And they're hanging out by the water. Cristina: So that we could throw our monster in the water? I don't know. Jack: They've got their monster. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: There's ships and planes. They're surveying our area consistently. They've probably got their creature underwater in some giant cage, and it's probably imprisoned, tied up in some way, and they're just planning and testing to release it. And they could just release it and leave. They don't have to do anything. One day they just leave. A couple of hours later. A couple of days later, something starts attacking Alaska. Cristina: Okay. Jack: I don't know how Canada is going to protect itself, but I guess Canada would be screwed here too. Cristina: They got their own monsters, Hopefully. Jack: They got their own monsters. Hopefully. Unless the point is that Canada doesn't have a way to defend itself. And the only way would be for us to start nuking Canada to kill the creature. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: Which would create an interesting problem. Would we do it? Cristina: I guess that's why we got so much nukes. Jack: I think maybe that's also why our least defended area is the only access point. Because the least amount of people are around the Alaskan area. It's a transport point, but there are the least amount of people in Alaska. If we had to drop a nuke, it would be an easier decision than if it came up through New York City. Cristina: Okay, you get my point? Yeah. Jack: So we make that the easiest attack point, and that's the only likely placer probably to go. Because then we would just start bombing them or dropping our own creatures on them. So then they have to release it over there so that by the time it gets to the water, I mean, it gets to land, starts destroying things locally, we have enough time to react and attack it before it leaves Alaska. And we never have to catch Canada with our nukes. Maybe that's strategic. Cristina: Weird. Jack: But yes, would make sense and would keep the rest of the United States safe. Over. Militarize. All of it. Agree with Canada. We're going to keep that land mass up there and we're going to make it the least defended. You defend your borders like a. But we can nuke that. If they ever drop a creature. Cristina: Do we have creatures on every border then? Jack: Like, we don't. We don't know. We just know they might be dropping a creature on us and that's why they're hovering over there. Cristina: But they are not in Mexico just getting ready to attack us. Jack: Interesting. You think? I mean, that would make sense. Then that would actually explain the wall a little better. Cristina: Yeah, maybe. Jack: Maybe the wall's point was to stop these creatures. Because the creature might not just be destroying for no reason. It's gonna avoid crap. Cristina: Mm. Jack: It's a creature. If you're not controlling it, that's just doing random s***. You build the wall, it might not even try to go over. It might turn away and go somewhere else. Cristina: Interesting. You know, just then, if we're thinking about that, like, maybe all the walls, but then, like, China has walls. Jack: China has walls. They've been doing it since whatever century. Cristina: We know them because the dragons. So like who had the dragons that was attacking China that they decided, let's build some walls, dude. Jack: Even this really ancient place we were researching, the Indian place, Dwarf or whatever from 9,000 BC, had giant double layered walls surrounding them in the water too. Cristina: And it wasn't even just the land that they were protecting. Even the waterside, man. Jack: You know what's crazy, dude? We've also seen many people were f****** with Camaras. The text said so much about chimeras. Cristina: I don't know because I thought these were natural creatures. But then if you start talking about chimeras. That's not natural. Jack: That's not natural. Unless it's creatures we're seeing now are the creatures from back then that they were f****** with. And that's why it would have these abilities. It would be a creature that is some over like leftover relic, ancient scientific experiment. It's not us like our experiment. It had to get to think about the two problems we were trying to solve earlier. How does it have these abilities? Well, we had to make it. How is it its size? No, I had to age to that point. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Solution. It was made and it aged to that point. What does that tell us? It had to be made long ago. Cristina: Okay, One of these ancient civilizations. Jack: And maybe there's a bunch of. Maybe they're everywhere. Some civilizations go underground. Some civilizations can move things to other planets. Maybe us in current day looking at the moon, saw some s*** we shouldn't have because we know there's theories about the other side of the moon, the dark side of 00:55:00 Jack: the moon, which isn't dark because it gets light, but we don't see it. And like, maybe there's something out there. Maybe that's the reason China wanted the return to that side of the moon. Maybe what we saw was like, oh, crap, we don't want to wake that thing up. Or we saw civilization that was like, you guys don't talk about seeing space because they got their creature, whatever the crap might be. Maybe there's creatures like that everywhere, everywhere. And we're just finding them. Some civilizations went extinct. Cristina: So all these fairy tale like creatures that are monsters are not really monsters at all. But then would we put like you said, the Loch Ness monster, And then there's vampires, werewolves, all those other creatures. The Ninja Turtles. No, whatever. Chupacabra. They're like all just ancient experiments. Jack: No, not all ancient experiments, but they're all scientifically explainable. Just like adrenochrome could be scientifically explained to some degree. We don't know what causes all these different things. But I think. I think none of it is magic. And I think we do have maybe current day proof of weird s***. Things we have seen that more than one individual has seen. And there's some kind of proof, whether it be current day photos and things that aren't considered fiction. Nessie's a weird one. Some ancient other kind of creature that. No, it has to be from the past. Everybody assumes has to be. Scientists are like whatever creatures is. Resembles this thing from way long ago. Except it would have had to be even longer ago. Then Dwarka and then the Elysians. It had to be from like Elio's time. Cristina: Okay, Elio. Was he around dinosaurs? Jack: Am I saying that wrong? What the h*** was his name? Loi. Cristina: Loi. Jack: Loi. It could have been from like Loi's time, but still, that's. No, it had to be from millions of years ago. That's a problem. So it would have still even outdated. Loi. No, if 3 million years ago isn't. It still has to be like 150 million years ago. 3 million isn't that long ago compared to a creature that Nessie looks like. So maybe there's crap so long ago has nothing to do with any of those people. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Technology so ancient, that's crazy. Cristina: If it's still technology evolved, I guess. Jack: It would have continued to evolve, you. Cristina: Know, But I don't know. I don't know. Jack: It could have. So somehow. Somehow science was involved in the making of this thing. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Because still. How are you f****** doing it, then? Cristina: Again. Jack: Again, physiologically. I tried to explain it physiologically. Those creatures to shoot things. We know crabs can make explosions into grounds. Really specific ones. Or. I think it's a shrimp or something. And so that's. Some creatures have superpower. Like things spit acid out or whatever. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And. Or some, you know, throw smoke out or whatever ink out. If you can do some kind of air pressure thing where you suck in twice the amount that you push out, then you can push out through a smaller airway, creating more of a pressure. Because more air through a smaller airway goes faster. You get some range. And if you can have some kind of ignition and put into that air that's moving through some kind of flammable air you throw in, there's gas, some flammable gas you throw into the air that you're pushing out, then you can create some kind of flamethrower like thing. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And if it shoots out with enough pressure, the closer to your mouth it is, the more like A laser beam it would be. And the further away, the more like regular, you know, it's less pressure. Farther off, it's more like fire far. So maybe you can get a nice stream that looks like a beam. If your size is big enough from our eyes. If you shot a fire beam and it was the length of like 30 buildings at the peak of your mouth, it's gonna look like a straight out beam, not like a fire blast. Right. Because you're shooting. Because it's closer to whatever spot you're shooting it from. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It's gonna be closer to the shape of the airway you're pushing the air through. Took it look like a beam. There could be explanations all this weird. So what's our landed conclusion? That there's creatures at the center of the earth that have aged for who knows how long. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Countries have found them, some countries have captured them. And likely evidence of this is that Hiroshima had something called the little boy dropped off that we think is a nuke. But it might have been Godzilla and it created nuclear sized destruction. And that three days later after it strolled off, we threw an actual nuke called Fat man to evaporate Godzilla and see if that could work. And it did. And ever since there has been prepared. Everybody's been preparing, Everybody's been making bombs, everybody's been 01:00:00 Jack: making nukes everywhere. All at the same time, just in case, just for the day. Cristina: That makes sense. Jack: And when people are cryptic instead of just saying nukes. So just saying I'll bomb you. When somebody like the North Korean leader is like, I got a present for you. And he says that to Trump, what he's talking about is, you know, you saw the creature. I show you my creature. I got that for you. Cristina: That's weird. Jack: And leaders know, but people don't. Cristina: Leaders are showing each other their creature. Interesting. Because they don't have to show anyone. But they could. Jack: They could, they could, they could. And people aren't gonna talk. Cristina: Yeah. Weird. Okay. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Trump knows about him. Jack: Maybe a bunch. No, Trump would immediately talk. I think Trump wouldn't be able to hold it. I think he would just tell the world in excitement. Cristina: So you don't think he was told yet? Jack: I don't know. Maybe he was. Maybe what we see and what he is are two different things. Who knows? Anyways, we have solved the possibility. So what's the consensus? Is Godzilla real? I, I only if the government has to show us everything because they're doing some cahoots. Cristina: That's the whole point. Yes. The government is just Showing us things that are real. Jack: Yeah. So if that's the case, then Godzilla is real. Yes, because they have to show us everything. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And then that would explain the proof behind Godzilla being real. Cristina: Because the government showed it to us. Jack: The government showed it to us because. Cristina: Obviously they run Hollywood. Jack: Yes. And history shows that, yes, there was definitely some bombs dropped and people saw a lizard in Tokyo. You know, so we got bombs, we got movies, we got evidence everywhere that something happened that they're not telling us. Cristina: But they are telling us just through movies. Okay. Yep. Jack: And the correct story is In August 6, 1945, Godzilla was released on Hiroshima. Godzilla wandered the island past Tokyo and got to Nagasaki, where he was finally nuked. Cristina: Yes. That is the story. The unofficial true story. Jack: That is the unofficial true story of Godzilla. Okay. I'm glad you guys made it with us through this to discover what really happened here. This was important. Cristina: It was. Jack: We've established details that matter to the people of Earth, and now we know true military capabilities of a lot of countries. It's way worse than a nuke. You wouldn't think so, but if you don't have to keep firing and you can just release a thing that could only be killed if you nuke your own people. Cristina: Yeah, that's pretty crazy. Jack: Yeah, that goes hard. Cristina: That goes hard. Jack: It's just gonna keep destroying until you nuke it. Guys, you got to nuke your own people. Enjoy. Explain that to your civilians later. Cristina: Yep. It's. It's. It's what's happening. Jack: It's what's happening. Cristina: It happened. Jack: Fire. That's crazy. That's such a solid military tactic. I guess that's why bioweapons are really overpowered. You want people to have to attack their own people. That's winning a war. Cristina: That is insane. Jack: That's. Yeah, you won. If you gotta start attacking your own people, whoever did that to you, they won. That's fire. They don't have to worry about themselves anymore. You're too distracted dealing with you crazy. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Bioweapons. Resident Evil had the right idea. Cristina: Again, bioweapons. Jack: The way to go. Anyways, if you guys think that we missed something important here that should have happened as a natural development of Godzilla or some other proof that maybe exists. Cristina: In the world 100% right that we're right. Jack: If you can help us justify this, let us know. Reach out to us. You could do that on our socials, at just convo pod, on Tik Tok, Instagram, on X, and on Facebook, wherever. Just type our name. Cristina: You'll find everywhere. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Remember to subscribe. Right. And review the show. Jack: Yes. And word of mouth is really overpowered. Tell everybody about the program and the fact that we have absolutely given. Given you nothing but solid fact and proof that Godzilla was real and a timeline that you could throw in people's faces and show them, look, this is proof. And when they're like, you're using a weird kind of confirmation bias, looking for evidence to prove your argument instead of disprove it, you tell them what is proof of your beliefs. And they're going to be like, good point. But you're being absurd. And you're going to say, I can back these thoughts up with science. Can you? And that argument is gonna win. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Because they're gonna 01:05:00 Jack: be like, I can't. Even if they know inherently, it might make more sense. In your total argument, you've used nothing but science. Even if applying it only where. Only where very convenient. And ignoring the areas that would make it unconvenient, you'd be the only one in the conversation with science. Cristina: Ridiculous. Okay. This has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Jack: Bye. Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. 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September 02, 2023

Rambling 241: The Forest of Shadows

September 02, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

What connects us to the Shadow Realm so deeply? Why do the Mayans continue to reveal deeper and deeper roots associated with the Egyptians? And how do the Sea People have such massive advancements on even the most technological of civilizations? Trying to find any information on the Shadow Realm after consistent data shows ancient research teams contained Jinn and other Shadow Realm creatures as members, the duo are taken far back in time into the past of the Persians, back when they were still known as the Sumerians. What pops up in this research answers questions the duo didn’t even know they had, but leave new standing questions behind.

Sumerians
The Persians
Shamash
Judge for the Jinn
Ganzir
Cizin
Ix Chel the Prodigy
Inanna and the Fruit of Knowledge
El
The Forest of Shadows
The Bridge of Realms

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Ramblin Podcast. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is a show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. That's my best impression of Jerry Seinfeld. That was the most impressive and baffling. Not even impressive. Baffling ideas. What's the deal with airline food? That's what he sounds like to me. What's the deal? What's the deal with airline food?

Cristina: I don't think it sounds like him, but that's definitely something he would say.

Jack: Bare minimum. It's his cadence, even if it's not like his voice. Right. He has like that weird drag. Oh, my God, he has that thing going on. Even if I don't sound like him, his cadence is there is the substance of what makes up his kodansi. Yes, his kodansai. So listen to me, bruh.

Cristina: I'm listening.

Jack: We've been deep diving into s***. Look, a couple of episodes ago, we stumbled upon the Sun Gods. And that was some crazy nonsense about people making a scientific group together with people from the Shadow Realm and some Naga and some. Some Egyptians. And it was weird.

Cristina: It was very weird. Yeah.

Jack: And we were like, wow, people working with the Shadow Realm. But we. We got there by chasing the Naga through Oros. And then I was like, how do I do. I know the Mayans are connected somehow because they always usually show up. It seems the Mayans and the Egyptians are the two most connected groups among all the people, and they're across the world from each other. And so I was like, we gotta look and follow this path right back to the Mayans next time. Which we did. And what did we stumble upon?

Cristina: The Moon Gods. I don't remember.

Jack: No, that's from the Shadow Realm. That's all right. That's what we're calling the people in the Shadow Room for the Universe. I don't remember the Earth Gods. Yeah. Which are essentially a bunch of botanists trying to make life out of plants and stuff, which was interesting and weird, but it was consistent. There was a bunch of Earth Realm people, a bunch of Shadow Realm people, and Naga again. Working together. Working together. And then one really weird part about that was a confusing tidbit at the very end where there's just some stuff that says, oh, yeah, oh yeah, there's.

Cristina: Research in the Shadow Realm.

Jack: Yeah, there's research, not research in the Shadow Room. We don't know that for a fact. They brought. Somebody gave them. Yeah, I guess there's research in the shadow room. It's portal research.

Cristina: The portal research came from the shadow realm. Yeah, that's what that was. Yes.

Jack: But then alternatively, the sea people made a portal for the Mayans, and that was weird.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Anyways, I know a lot of the time it seems like it's very disconnected because I have the imagery and I never bring it in because I just pull out the data and the information, extract that, and kind of keep moving forward from that point. But I. I felt it was necessary maybe for you to look at the actual imagery that connects a lot of this stuff. So I just put them all together because I found the location that was all putting it. And it's like this is how intensely similar these two cultures are looking at the same things, the same visuals, the same structures. And they claim that they were given all the specs by the sea people. So their civilizations were developed by the blueprints that the sea people provided. Here's the entrance of some temples.

Cristina: Is the choice of the entrance importance in some way?

Jack: No, it's just architecture provided by the sea people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: From one all the way in Mexico and the other one in Egypt. Very far apart. More structural similarities. Structure similar. It's gonna get way weirder.

Cristina: What is this?

Jack: Here you got this little T shape that matters and then the little curvy uppy thingy. And here you got the T shape with a little curvy uppy thingy. The difference is the Mayans had a lot of sculptures, as opposed to the Egyptians that had a lot of hieroglyphs.

Cristina: What does that mean? What could you guess about what the image is, or.

Jack: Well, over time, we have enough references that we can pull stories out of them. And when you compare notes, a lot of it is identical. But these are mainly, we're talking architecture and art, how identical they are. Because if I showed you text, they look very different. There's no point. What they're saying is the same, but then we gotta deep dive into that. So it's irrelevant to show you images of those unless you could read them both in their vein of tongues. But this is just consistently like, this is a weird one. The two lions facing away from each other. Now, we know lions aren't even for the Egyptians or the Mayans. It's what the sea people worship.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Anywhere the sea people are, we see these very detailed sculptures of lions. So here are two lions in some cases, connected by this kind of cross symbol.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The circle and then you have the lions again connected, but there's no cross symbol.

Cristina: There's no cross on, but they're still.

Jack: Connected and facing away from each other more or less the same way with a kind of barrier division in the middle. It's going to get weirder and weirder. It's exactly the same image as before.

Cristina: That's Egyptian. And that's what weird.

Jack: Right?

Cristina: Okay, that was. That's weird. His face is. Do you know who?

Jack: Well, it reminds me of Buddha. But interesting enough, the Mayan version of this is scary. Well, it's ancient. It looks significantly more ancient. And what's interesting about it is, are they. Who are they depicting? If they are both showing us an individual that looks the same. Is this what the sea people look like?

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: You see that? I found that interesting. This is the most vivid version of like a human face that they both have going on. It has the features of human face. Is that what the sea people look like in our current day cultures that came from the Persians and that came from the Mayans. Based on the sea people is like those red dots. The, you know, the tribal look. Was it adopted because they were following these people who were like gods to them.

Cristina: What are we looking at there? What's that?

Jack: We're looking at the dot on the forehead of a face. The dot on the forehead of a face. Just weird that this was a consistency through both of them. Dot on the forehead, the dot on the forehead. This got weird because I've seen both of these and I never connected. The fact that they're. It's a take on the same thing. It is.

Cristina: I have no idea what the first one is. I've never seen the Mexican.

Jack: It's like a human animal type of thing.

Cristina: Mm. Is it as big?

Jack: I don't. I have no idea what the scale is. I know the Sphinx is pretty large, but this is another real particular interesting kind of too exact thing going on.

Cristina: What exactly.

Jack: We got what's essentially a snake with two hands that the snake is laying on and they're kind of creating the same shape.

Cristina: Oh, those are the snake.

Jack: It's the coiled body of something. And it's weird that the structure is exactly the same. One Egyptian and the other Mayan. What weird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Such identical stuff going on. Either they saw symbols or something very weird. Again, here we got the guy trapped in the thing with the two people. What's happening? Portal.

Cristina: That looks. Yes, portal.

Jack: Are they sending somebody somewhere?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What's happened?

Cristina: That's. So that's a portal. Snow, I don't know, but it's so similar. Whoa. What is happening there?

Jack: What ritual is taking place here? We have a man standing over another person, another person crowning them or about to bash them in the head or something. And the hat the guy has is the same. Why? Why is that the case here? That's the weirdest part. You just got people dress identical across the Earth from each other.

Cristina: That is weird.

Jack: Very odd. Very strange. These are less related. It's just interesting how they structured these the same when they don't normally write this way. The Egyptians do, but the Mayans don't. Yet the Mayan still had laid out in a similar fashion these little cube structure things, the same way that the Egyptians would normally lay out their hieroglyphs. Also, the eye of Ra is that eyeball there, which is the snake, the serpent.

Cristina: Oh, that's the serpent's eye.

Jack: Yeah. Is the eye of rock. What the f*** is happening here? How is this hallway identical?

Cristina: I don't know. That doesn't make sense.

Jack: None of this makes sense. All of these things, the structure of their ancients were identical. The layout to the pyramids were identical. Here we have even more. This is. What's. This is the most interesting one. This is actually the last slide here, the seven points.

Cristina: What do you mean? Oh, okay. There's seven dots.

Jack: There's seven dots. These three creatures in India, Russia and Mexico have the seven heads happening.

Cristina: Yeah. Like seven snakeheads or something.

Jack: Yeah. But then you go into the structural version of them and you have again, India, that happens to have the three dots. Egypt has the three dots. Dots. And the Iranians and the Iraqis, basically the other Persians also had those dots.

Cristina: Okay. And which was the first three?

Jack: It was India, Russia and Mexico. So we have India connecting in two different points, having both variants, which then connects to Mexico. So we have the Middle east down here and we have the South America and then the Northeast.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Just everybody having the same visuals. Interesting enough. I've never seen the mention of Russia in any of this. And this is quite fascinating because. Why?

Cristina: You gotta look through their ancient history.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like, gotta go way back.

Jack: It's. It's interesting, right?

Cristina: It's the weirdest thing, huh? But I wonder, what's the difference? Because why wouldn't they all choose the body version, like in. I guess.

Jack: No, it's just different representations. They wouldn't have the same art. But they're depicting the same things in their individual art. That's what's fascinating here.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, you haven't come across anything that. That could be representing?

Jack: No, I have no idea what the seven headed whatever or the seven points are, but they seem to be represented across both.

Cristina: Unless this is just another version of. I forgot what those creatures are called.

Jack: The Jinn. You think these are Jinn?

Cristina: No, the snake people.

Jack: Oh crap. I mean we do have one of them. It's literally a Medusa esque kind of thing going on.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So these could definitely be the Naga.

Cristina: No. Yeah, we know they come in different forms and stuff. They don't look the same from the ones we've seen in the past.

Jack: So what I do find the most interesting. Really? Really. Is this center shadow looking version from Russia that gives me shadow creature vibes.

Cristina: So it might not be a Naga.

Jack: Well, no. The other two give me Naga feels. For real?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then down here when we look at just the dots themselves, it's very different. It doesn't give me the vibe of either this representative of something that makes.

Cristina: Me feel like it's even more shadow people related.

Jack: The abstract, obscure nature of it.

Cristina: Right. Yeah.

Jack: The hidden we must. Unless this is somehow representing something from the sea. People who are even more hidden than the things in the shadow realm.

Cristina: Or we do have that one random story of the snake who would wasn't happy where he was at so he popped up somewhere else and became the God. Yeah. Like this could be just one of those stories. One of those creatures deciding no, because.

Jack: These are inside of other civilizations that were respected. Like Egypt had its leader who was not.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So it doesn't apply that logic doesn't hold.

Cristina: That's true now.

Jack: Interesting. Right? I know I don't normally show you the imagery that I stumble upon while.

Cristina: Doing this research, but it is interesting.

Jack: But it's interesting and it's there. There's a lot of connection. I like that. I found this sort of like a lot connected all in one shot so I don't have to like fish them individually. So I was trying to find out because we've gotten mentions of shadow people hanging out with the minds and shadow people hanging out with the Egyptians. And so we know that people came from the shadow realm and we had people who weren't from the shadow realm abandon earthrealm and head to the shadow Realm. Abraxas particularly. So I went on a deep dive to find out whatever I could. And it took me way further back than I thought it would. But where we've been before, somehow it seems like the shadow realm had significantly more connections to us the further back we go.

Cristina: What do you mean, like, the further.

Jack: Back we go in time, the more access we casually had. The more forward in time we go, the more sealed up it seems to get.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: As opposed to us starting to build away there now we shut it in a rediscovering away it seems to be. So following this trail, I went back to the Persians. Weirdly enough, it took me.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The Persians are kind of where it all began. The sea people who exist in the neck of the Persian Gulf, also known as the Persian Gulf Oasis.

Cristina: So you found out more about them before they.

Jack: Well, not necessarily. More going backwards when they were still called the Sumerians. So we have to unpack the Sumerians to come up with some kind of baffling details that I didn't know about before. But it's because we began where the sea people were because unicorns took us to the sea people. So we made that our starting point instead of going back and seeing like, okay, what else is there?

Cristina: Where did they come from before they left? Okay. What?

Jack: So the Persians, back when they were known as the Sumerians. Let us begin. There was a man named Shamash.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He was a Sumerian. We're not gonna keep calling them Sumerians. I'm just calling them Persians for the sake of us understanding who we're talking about. But all the Sumerians are Persians. So a Persian judge. A Persian judge known to shortcut through the underworld to reach his place of work. I read that, and I'm like, what the. Somebody's just casually coming in and out.

Cristina: That's just a normal thing in his.

Jack: Normal thing in his life. So Shemesh became well known by the Djinn and was employed in being a judge for the region of the shadow realm in which he'd venture this is just some Sumerian story.

Cristina: I mean, he is. He's not a judge in the. No, he is human world.

Jack: No, he is. He was just cutting path through the shadow realm. He somehow just found a way to get in.

Cristina: But he was judging them too.

Jack: He was using a shortcut. Yes, through the shadow realm to get to work.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: His work wasn't in the shadow realm.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Shortcut means you're cutting through there.

Cristina: No, but it sounded like you also said something about.

Jack: Well, he was. Became familiar with the Djinn and was then employed by them to be a judge there too.

Cristina: That's exactly what I said. So he was. Me. He was a judge.

Jack: He specifically said he wasn't a judge in. Oh, yeah, he's a judge. He began as A judge in Earth Realm is the important detail here.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then he shortcut it so frequently that he became familiar with the gin in the paths he was kind of taking. They became familiar with what he does and they're like, wait, your job is to judge people and give a verdict of sorts. Do that for us.

Cristina: It's weird, but okay.

Jack: Very strange. He told his sister Inanna of this path he'd found and the people he'd met traveling through through it, and of his. This peculiar tree. He found a weird tree he found in this forest. Because he was cutting through a forest. Inanna asked to see it personally. And one day on his way to work, she accompanied him through the path, right to the tree. She took a bite of the tree's fruit.

Cristina: What's gonna happen?

Jack: And was suddenly filled with an immense rush of knowledge unknown to those in the Overworld.

Cristina: What? It was just there. It was just there. Whoa. Why was it just there? And did he end up doing the same?

Jack: There was no mention of that. She took a bite of the fruit in the Shadow Realm. She just found a tree. Well, he found the tree in the Shadow Realm. Brought his sister. She bit a fruit in the Shadow Realm. And then. Just knowledge.

Cristina: Whoa. So that's just a normal tree. There's nothing special about that tree.

Jack: It was just a tree.

Cristina: I mean, over there, like, it's very special to us, but, like, it's just a tree over there. There was nothing protecting it. There was no nada. It was just. She just picked the fruit from it.

Jack: Now going backwards gets way weirder than us moving forward and finding connections, because the more back we go, the more dots that are just casually mentioned together.

Cristina: Okay, but is that the end of her story?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Ganzir is an underworld palace ruled by the queen Ereshkigal and her family. They were chosen as the rulers of the region by the leader of the Shadow Realm, Sizen.

Cristina: I don't understand.

Jack: Sizen is exactly the same name that the Mayans used to describe the member of the Earth Gods that came from the Shadow Realm claiming to be the leader of the Shadow Realm. These are the f****** Sumerians, Persians way the h*** over there claiming. Oh, no, the leader's the same guy.

Cristina: Okay, but he chose one of the.

Jack: Just somebody else in the Shadow Realm to watch over this palace, this region. Okay, the weird part here is that they used the same name to describe the guy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like how again, you guys are divided by a f****** ocean, like, way long ago. How the h*** were you guys communicating? They're not even Persians yet. Mayans haven't happened yet.

Jack: How the f*** is this so on point?

Cristina: But the people know about this story?

Jack: I mean, yes, that's how we found out about it. Okay, through hieroglyphs and old texts. So, yes, they must have. Now, Geshtina, a botanist of the Genseer People. The Genseer palace is the one that's being ruled by the family chosen by SZM and Geshtinana.

Cristina: These are our Shadow People?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Geshtinana is a botanist of the Gandir People. Interesting. To a degree. A botanist in the Shadow Realm. Interesting. Whatever though. Until the next line here. Her younger sister, Ixchel. Is that name Platonic prodigy? Yes. She was also a member of the Earth Gods.

Cristina: She's the wife of that guy?

Jack: Yes. Yes, she is.

Cristina: What? These are the same names?

Jack: These are the same exact names. How?

Cristina: How?

Jack: Yep. Okay, but then when I just showed you the structures, like how.

Cristina: Yeah, that wasn't like Persia. Like, if we go to the time you're talking about, is there still stuff, art and etc from that time?

Jack: No, these writings predate those structures.

Cristina: Okay, because what did their art look like? Were they showing the same stories too?

Jack: I don't know. I think a lot of the events happen following this. Keep in mind that the events that we talk about on average, are after these people have already united with the other ones, the Earth Gods. Is these people after they've met the other people? Okay, right now we're talking about these people before they met the other people. We're talking about Ixchell and Susan before they met Izamna. You know, before Idzamna met Ra.

Cristina: Ridiculous.

Jack: Okay, weird. But her younger sister, this Shadow Realm botanist, had a younger sister prodigy called Ixcham, who we know later is the wife of Vidzamba. Okay, now you wanted to know again about Shemesh's sister, so let's give you some more details about Shemesh's sister. The judge who wandered through the Shadow Realm. Who the f*** knows how he came in to know the younger sister of Shemesh and the first Overworlder to consume what they referred to as a fruit of knowledge.

Cristina: Of course they do. Of course. Okay.

Jack: Travels to the Shadow Realm with frequency. After familiarizing herself with it, she starts just kind of going on without them. Like it, I've already been here. I know how to get here. Well, now it's unclear how the h*** they're getting here. That part is not elaborated. I looked. I was trying to find out how the h*** how Are you just wandering into the Shadow Room? There must have been some gates somewhere that they've stumbled upon. They're probably wandering to the top of a mountain and popping up somewhere else. Yes, that's my theory. They all are also Persians, which tells me you're probably going to Mount. Probably just going to Mount Kaf. It's.

Cristina: That's probably where you're taking to it at all.

Jack: They don't hint to it at all. But also my cough is in the middle of a body of water. You taking a boat here every day? How are you getting to the mountain? It can't be. There has to be another way. There has to be another way. I don't know how, but maybe there.

Cristina: Was a path to the mountain that was built on the water and we just haven't found that story.

Jack: Could be 100%. Who knows? Now Inanna befriends Gannanana and Ixchel.

Cristina: I can't remember these names.

Jack: The wife of Itzamna.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: When she's just a little girl.

Cristina: It befriends this other person. Sister.

Jack: The judge's sister.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Who keeps entering. She seems to be passing through the palace. The palace must be nearby. The one that sizen. This God of Death from the Shadow Realm. The one that he appointed this family to. And these are the botanists from that palace. And Inanna meets these people and befriends them.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: And they bond over the knowledge of their respective realms. Ixchell, consumed with curiosity, decides to alternate every six months with Inanna. And they would swap places. I'll spend six months over there and then back over here. And when I'm over here, you're over there. When you're over there, I'm over here. I'll just keep swapping places every six months.

Cristina: I wonder why.

Jack: They just wanted. They were so curious about each other's worlds.

Cristina: Yeah, okay.

Jack: But after only a single trip, they decided to swap places permanently.

Cristina: Whaaaat? Whaaat?

Jack: They didn't even do the six month thing?

Cristina: No. Wow. They're just like, nope, I'm in love now.

Jack: Yep. Inanna remains in Ganzir palace for the remainder of her life. And Ixshl remains in the Overworld for the remainder of her life.

Cristina: We don't really know what's the end.

Jack: Of her story of Inanna. Have no idea.

Cristina: Or I guess either of their stories.

Jack: Ixchil's story is to be part of the Mayan group and the Earth gods.

Cristina: Yeah, but like what happens to them? You don't know?

Jack: She marries itzamna she develops data storing technology. We know a lot of her life based on.

Cristina: We don't know what their conclusion.

Jack: No. As far as we know so far, no. And we have no idea what happens to Inanna because finding out what happens in the Shadow Realm without people coming back and telling us seems to be impossible. Yeah, seems to be impossible as of now. Now, Nettie, following the wandering of Shamash into the underworld, Sizen, the God of death, the ruler of the Shadow Realm, instructed Nettie to protect the portal.

Cristina: So there's a portal, of course, in.

Jack: And out of the Shadow Realm. He was shortly thereafter titled the gatekeeper of the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: So. But then this makes it seem like there's only one way in and out.

Jack: It was just that way that they were getting through.

Cristina: Okay. The humans.

Jack: Yeah. There was a way that somebody that they found and people were getting through it.

Cristina: Yes. And he was like, you're gonna protect this portal? Because so far, maybe there's just one.

Jack: There's probably many portals, but nobody seems to know how to go through them. Yeah, except this one. That's somehow casual.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Bellet Sari stationed with Nadi at this gateway to the Shadow Realm. She was in charge of recording, logging and reporting on any and all beings to come through the gates. With exception for Inanna and Shamesh, who had free passes.

Cristina: Cool.

Jack: Now a couple of more details about Sizen that we are quite familiar with to some degree. Sizen is the leader of all the Djinn in the Shadow Realm. We know that he's considered the highest being there. He is a God of sorts, a demonic godlike creature, even according to the Djinn. So the jinn are the human of the Shadow Realm. And they consider Susan some Unjinn, like other creature, some demonic powerful entity.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Out of everybody we have talked about unto this day, we can honestly break everyone down into being just another person. Either somebody who's consumed the fruit, somebody who has drunk blood, somebody who has done something weird to get abilities, or somebody who's using science to be there. With the exception for Mab that we have no explanation for. Assuming they are also just some sort of a scientist at a really high caliber in the Kardashev scale. And sizz it, they might be the.

Cristina: Same or similar things.

Jack: They might be similar things. It still seems that based on the idea of what Mab is, she might have created the Shadow Realm. Which means Szan must be below her. Unless he's not originally from there and he also comes from where she comes from. There's no way to know yeah.

Cristina: There's no way to know. That's complicated. But she's supposed to have made the Shadow Realm.

Jack: She made the Shadow Realm and Earthrealm and all the creatures within the Alphane.

Cristina: Okay. Man, that's a lot of work. Okay.

Jack: Who knows? It could have been instant. It could have been like the Hedron Collider. We don't really do much work. We turn it on, slam two atoms into each other. It took a fraction of a second. Done. We made an entire universe inside there. Like she could be that just running the computer.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's just fascinating. There's a creature who is not like the other Jinn. Like, they are really considering him something different. Something elevated, something escalated. Inanna is just a chick. Shemesh is just a guy.

Cristina: But they don't use the word God, do they? To describe him.

Jack: The Djinn allegedly call Sizen a demonic godlike creature.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So he's something so overpowered in their eyes, they're not even considering him a creature like the rest of what they're used to within their world. He is somehow unrelated to everything else they see in the Shadow Realm. That's just normal to them.

Cristina: Okay. Some demon, God, creature thing.

Jack: Okay. Some whole other thing. Everybody else we have broken down all the way until we know that they are a scientist. A person who acquired something. Something that makes them seem godly to people. Yeah, but Mabin, Susan are exceptions to that rule.

Cristina: I wonder if they're similar to each other. We don't know enough.

Jack: We don't know enough. I know at least the Shadow Realm itself is a product of man. But we don't know if Susan is. Was he made from within the Shadow realm or did he go to the Shadow Realm?

Cristina: Yeah, or she made him to watch over it like she did so many other creatures of.

Jack: Yes. Is he still made by her but not from the Shadow realm?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Fascinating. And if he isn't made by her, why is he in the Shadow realm? Because it would mean he is like her. But then would that mean the Mayans are more overpowered than the Egyptians? And maybe even the sea people?

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Then again, the sea people are godly just through science.

Cristina: Yes, they win. I mean, they're the ones sharing everything with everyone.

Jack: Yeah. They have escalated to a point so far that Mab is shook that she is taken aback by the scale and power of these guys. Her own means to cap off power did not work.

Cristina: And probably the shadow people feel the same way about them. We don't know about the sea people. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: It's Completely possible. We only know of their ventures through the Overworld, but God d***, bro. It really seems like at this point, if Sizen, this godlike creature, joins the Earth people and still ends up relying on advances provided by the sea people, like, wow, what does that mean?

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: How high up on the Kardashev scale? Because, okay, we just got to think about the ancient Egyptians and the fact that if the great Void is in fact them, that's stars among stars among stars among stars or galaxies, depending. I'm not even sure.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If it's entire galaxies, like, how far up the Kardashian scale are they? They're trapping entire galaxies within.

Cristina: And if they are doing that, they only got that way because of the sea people. Like, they're just sea people up there.

Jack: Yeah, the sea people are so beyond that. Most of space is just a plaything to them. They just happen to home base here.

Cristina: We're just so good at hiding everything.

Jack: Yeah. It's absurd, right? So unaware of when he came to exist, but powerful enough for most Shadow Realm creatures to fear and respect him. The Djinn consideration a God. Now, a story I found from Susan, as provided by the Sumerians, aka the Persians.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: 2 million years bc this is a story by the Sumerians 2 million. 2 million years ago.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I'm not saying the Sumerians were around 2 million years ago, but the Sumerians are claiming the story happened 2 million years ago.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: A man from the Overworld. I don't know how informed you are on things, but a man from the Overworld named El ventures into the Shadow Realm. Sizen did not like this at first, but spared the man. Upon multiple visits, El and Sizen befriended one another. Szin tells El of the Forest of Shadows.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: A Shadow Realm forest inhabited by many powerful Shadow Realm creatures. A place most Djinn avoid. And those who don't, rarely return with.

Cristina: Magical fruits in them.

Jack: Curious of this place. L visits the forest alongside citizen. Now, things you should know that make this very, very, very interesting. As we know, Jesus is a Persian, particularly from the Persian Gulf oasis, AKA a sea person. He claims to be the son of Jehovah. Proven wrong. But Jehovah is also a sea person. Yes, a sea person, particularly high in caliber. Probably the leader of the sea people. Seems to be that in all of these instances, the most educated, most informed individual, kind of like ancient cultures used to work, is the leader. And based on all information we have, Jehovah is the top of the food chain, including of the. When it Comes to the garden and the fruits and just everything. Just everything. Adam and Eve. All of the above, yes. If we look at Jewish text, the order is starting all the way Christianity and moving our way back. Jesus, Jehovah, Yahweh, Chaim. Then El, oftentimes considered Elfrim is. They're both one. If you go far back enough. The gist of gods in Abrahamic religions is a man named El.

Cristina: What time? I do remember that name.

Jack: And the Sumerians claim a man named El befriended a God named Susan in the Shadow Realm two million years ago.

Cristina: The most ancient sea people. I mean, we know they were so far back, like, so impossibly far back.

Jack: 2.5 million years ago.

Cristina: 2.5 million. Okay, this makes sense.

Jack: This is fitting perfectly into the timeline.

Cristina: Oh, was Alhaim the two names like the wife and husband or something?

Jack: So there's a million variants of this. Alheim is two brothers, Elheim is one individual. Alheim is husband, wife.

Cristina: Oh, okay, okay. But so far, yeah, we at least.

Jack: Known when it's broken up into two individuals, El comes first, time comes second. Oftentimes it's considered one.

Cristina: Alheim is El by himself ever in these stories?

Jack: Yes. You'll see L by himself. You'll never see Heim alone.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Chaim is always part of L. L is not always part of him. Okay, so El, Chaim or El, but never just Chaim.

Cristina: Okay, so we don't know if Chaim is real or not.

Jack: No, it's possibly that based on the elusiveness of this, one of two things is going on. Chaim is literally just another name for L or part of his name. And his nickname is L. Or Heim is the actual first shadow individual to encounter, and that's why he's more elusive than El is. So whatever. Jehovah of Dark, if we follow that train all the way up, we land at Heim, presumably. Okay, but there's no way to prove that. That's just a theory. As to the elusiveness of the second part of the name, it's more likely that it's just Elkhrame.

Cristina: It'll be interesting if that. That part of the name pops up somewhere. But. Okay, yeah. Whoa.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Whoa. In fact, that was a really interesting thing to come across.

Cristina: The story they have.

Jack: That's a story they have.

Cristina: That doesn't make sense. Or it does make sense. It's crazy.

Jack: Well, what's interesting is that means 2 million years ago. So if we follow the timeline 2.5 million years ago, we have these people making tools Primitive tools. Which means 5 million years go by. I mean, 500,000 years go by. That's enough time. That's more time than when we began to. Now, we've only been around 100,000 years. They would have 400,000 more years than we would. We've only been around 100,000 years. They would have 400,000 more years Than we would. From the point that they made their first tools to the moment the L meets sizzle. That's how long ago this would have been the first. This is, as of now, the first encounter between an Overworlder and a Shadow Realm individual.

Cristina: Wait, in this story, though, he takes him to the garden. Is that the end of that story?

Jack: No, garden. To a forest.

Cristina: To the forest. Okay. That was the end of that story, though.

Jack: Like the Forest of Shadows?

Cristina: Yes. No fruits involved? No. He ate something in that trip.

Jack: As far as we know now.

Cristina: Okay. I feel like that's where that would lead.

Jack: Okay, well, let's then investigate the Forest of Shadows.

Cristina: Oh, you have information on the forest. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Okay, so part of the forest through which she mesh would shortcut to work and where the tree Inanna grabbed a fruit from was located. So the same forest that El visited. As we know, a hundred. I mean, a thousand B.C. an overworld man appears as recorded by Belit Sari, the one that Susan put alongside Nettie to record anybody who came through. This is known because we have Shemesh, who is the judge for the Djinn as well. So we have, interestingly, a man working in both realms who can report on anything that has to do with the people he's working with. Okay, so, thousand BC an overworld man appears as recorded by Bellat City and claims to. And claims to have a note discussing the location and the contents of the forest. He asks permission of passage and it is granted. Actually, no, I said a thousand. This is 10,000 BC.

Cristina: 10,000.

Jack: 10,000 BC. So this is 10,000 years before Christ.

Cristina: He has a letter.

Jack: Note. He has a note. He's. He made a note?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Somebody gave him or something or he found it or whatever that says where the forest is and what is in the Forest of Shadows. Man is unnamed.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Just some guy.

Cristina: But they just let him through.

Jack: Yeah, he's like, look, I got. So he had some form of clearance, some awareness. Somebody was like, oh, yeah, green light, this guy.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which is weird already.

Cristina: That is weird.

Jack: You got a Gatekeeper and you got a person recording everything so you can know what the h*** is happening. And this dude, you've never seen 10,000 years before. Christ rolls up and he's like, look, I got a note. And it says that there's a forest here. These things in the forest.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: And then he's just granted passage.

Cristina: That is so weird.

Jack: Very weird. The man is reported to have picked one of every fruit he saw before leaving the forest.

Cristina: They were just cool with that. Whoa. He's a sea person. I don't know.

Jack: I think that was Jehovah.

Cristina: Still a sea person, but still a sea person.

Jack: I think that was Jehovah. I think Jehovah rolled up. He had. He what note? How? Who? Where'd you get it? Where the h*** did this come from? You were just looking through your, like, great grandfather's whatever the h***, and you found the thing and you're like, oh, f***.

Cristina: Oh. Gave him that now. Which I guess would be his great.

Jack: Grandfather or whatever either gave it to him, or he found it looking through old something something. Somehow he stumbled upon this. And he knew exactly where to go and exactly what to look for. Weird. So, story of the Tree of Knowledge. There is a story inscribed on an ancient Iranian temple. It suggests that El investigated a tree within the Forest of Shadows. He concluded that the trees within the forest were twisted and contorted, dry and odd, although alive and fruitful, because they were the roots to trees located somewhere in the Overworld.

Cristina: So it's like the Upside Down. He's telling us. Oh, my gosh. No. What? The Shadow Realm was the Upside down world.

Jack: What we already knew. It was a weird, warped version, but that's even weirder.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: He hypothesized that the fruits of these trees would allow creatures of the Shadow Realm passage into Earthrealm, and that fruits from the branches in the earthrealm would allow earthrealm creatures passage into the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: That would explain the judge. He probably had one of those fruits to find the path.

Jack: He had an overworld fruit he had no idea of and found easy passage into the Shadow realm. Then his sister must have eaten the same thing too, to just be able to casually go.

Cristina: He would know about that. Oh, man. Oh, this is out, right? Telling the story. He man. So then, yeah, he had to have told the sea people about the forest, and that's why that guy went into there to get all those fruits.

Jack: If he's even around. Again, he had a note. Nothing says anybody told him. He just.

Cristina: No, but he probably wrote that note.

Jack: Or Jehovah gathered information, and that's too random how? If your great grandfather already collected the information.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So he wrote it, give you the information? No, he didn't have to.

Cristina: But he did write it down.

Jack: He didn't have to write it down either. He could have just told stories throughout time. And this guy just. Or maybe he was a researcher himself again, he wanted to go investigate with Susan, his friends, like, oh, let's go look. I'm curious. Although it never said that l was a scientist or anything, it was just a guy that led to the creation of this symbol that shows up in.

Cristina: Many cultures, which is a fruit of knowledge, Shadow realm.

Jack: No, it's not a fruit of knowledge. It's a tree that exists in both the Overworld and underworld, where the roots are in the underworld and the branches are in the Overworld.

Cristina: Yes, yes, yes.

Jack: That's everywhere that exists throughout cultures.

Cristina: Throughout cultures.

Jack: Many cultures have the same imagery in many different ways.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Usually depicting some sort of infinity symbol equivalent where there are two equal sides standing up, a bubble on top, a bubble on the bottom, branches on top, branches at the bottom, hourglass shape or something with a line down the middle depicting equality on both ends. Even the yin yang symbol is sort of discussing the concepts that within the dark there is part of the light, and within the light there is part of the dark.

Cristina: See? See? Ooh, that's pretty cool. So that's just a representation, though, of the shadow realm and how connected we are to them.

Jack: Yes. This is how tight they get. Now, notice there is no mention of Elfame in this image.

Cristina: No, because we don't know anything about it.

Jack: No, we don't know. Crap.

Cristina: Even if it was connected this way, we wouldn't know how.

Jack: And it would be in some other way we're not understanding. It could be right in front of us and we're not getting it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This could be. This image could be already informed and we still don't understand how because we don't have the perspective to notice.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: How this image is discussing the Elfham.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: We have no point of reference.

Cristina: It's true. What? It could be right there in our face and we have no idea.

Jack: If we think the shadow people are elusive and all we're getting is shreds from people who've either been there or left there. How much more elusive is Elfame? And that being said, Susan, the highest being within the Shadow Realm. Mab, the highest being within Elfhame. Jehovah isn't the highest being in the Overworld. He's not. He's just another guy.

Cristina: Yeah, because there's no highest being there.

Jack: Might be. And it's not L either, because L is just some other guy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, as far as we know, Susan gave L the respect he deserved. That's weird. He didn't have to do that. But he also did that with random humans.

Cristina: You think there's someone that rules this earth sign that's equal to come back.

Jack: To the name that we have no information on. Heim. What the h*** is Heym if it's not part of L? Why can we come across L, but we don't come across Heim by itself. We come across Alchem. Interesting. I think there might be something there. Bare minimum. Okay, and if we have a serpent provided to Jehovah, how far back are there serpents? Susan didn't have a serpent. But he had. He was the big, big bad leader. But it doesn't seem he was advancing society. In fact, when he came to the Overworld, he was underneath Izama. He was just another guy on the team. Even if he's godly in scale, by comparison, he was just a follower.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what's happening. I don't know the scale of anything. None of it makes sense unless you actually know. None of us know.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. So shreds, little bits and pieces. I'm coming across. We know now where Ixshell came from. And weirdly enough, there are stories in Persia, the Sumerians, discussing this Mayan shadow creature. We have Szm being discussed in Persia by the Sumerians, this Trin, Mayan shadow creature. Oh, we have Inanna.

Cristina: Inanna being discussed.

Jack: Sumerian individual, a Persian meeting Ixchel, the Mayan. We already had mention of Ra and Atum communicating with Itzamna. And we know that based on both their testimonies that they have come across the Sea People. And they both claim to have been provided architecture and scientific advancements by the Sea People. And then we look at their structures and we look at their data, and there we look at their stories and we look at their records and their knowledge and their science. And it's the same. Mm divided by oceans. Where anyone else could not have come across each other. These two groups of people seem to be so interconnected, and they both claim the same f****** mountain, Kaath, that's tied even more than Athos.

Cristina: There's nothing we can learn about Kaath. Nothing more.

Jack: Nothing more. Kaath just doesn't even exist as far as we know.

Cristina: Is there any stories about mountains that just reappear and disappear or something. Anywhere interesting.

Jack: Anything. All we're doing is find cough. This is going to aim at Kaf.

Cristina: Yeah, but that would still be really interesting if other places see it.

Jack: Interesting. I see where you're coming from. Well, we know that the Indians knew of it and it was part of their tradition to make a trek there. And as far as H***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Indians would go all the way from India all the way to Kaf.

Cristina: That's very strange.

Jack: But they have no mention of sea people.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So you moved a mountain, but there's no proof they entered.

Cristina: I want to know more about that six headed snake creature or whatever.

Jack: Seven.

Cristina: Seven. Yeah.

Jack: That's an interesting point though. Although there's zero mention of the sea people. The Indians have the seven dots and the seven headed creature snake thing. And that is quite interesting because what is it that they are in fact connected with? If India has these seven headed things and India has the seven dots, what does that mean? What does it mean if they never once, as far as I know, mentioned the sea people? This has nothing to do with the sea people then.

Cristina: No.

Jack: At least we can remove that. The fact that one of them is snakes is interesting. Maybe these dots are representative of Oros or.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Mab or something in Elfame.

Cristina: Even in Russia.

Jack: That's interesting too. All of the. When it comes to the dots, they are all over the hands of people. Like they're holding it up like it's something glorious, something powerful, something marvelous, something above them, something godly. Yeah, but when it's structural, it's demonic and contorted and twisted and evil looking. So as a being, the seven represents something dark. But as the dots, it's God. It's above there. So there must be some godlike thing.

Cristina: His demon and God, they use it interchangeably anyway. Yes, things. Most ancient people, it's like it's good and it's bad and it's evil, but it's great. Like it's not really any. It's whatever it wants to be and we're just labeling it whatever.

Jack: So interesting point here though. Other than the fact that for the. For the Mayans it was a snake. Other than that weird detail. What stops. So in Mesopotamia, India and Egypt, they all consider this some godlike thing. But we know that none of their major leaders were represented like this. What if. And again, the Indians never once mentioned the sea people. What if this is an actual representation of what we were just discussing and it somehow. The God of the overworld of Earthrealm. What if this is the. What if this is what we should be focusing on to find whatever the h*** that is. Sizend is the highest being, the highest power godly by the claims of the Djinn themselves.

Cristina: How do we know that's not Susan?

Jack: Interesting. You think Susan might be just in Oros, not an Oros. The snake part is what throws me off here.

Cristina: Yes, it does. I don't know. That's true.

Jack: But also the Jin do. But they don't just say. If it was just a Naga, then it would have been obvious to the Djinn. Because there are other Naga.

Cristina: But he's so different.

Jack: He's so different. He couldn't be.

Cristina: He can't be.

Jack: It must be something else. There is something else happening here.

Cristina: Gotta do more research.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: It could totally be him. But probably not. Probably not.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. I know. Seven is really important. It's the most important. Seven is the most important. That's what we're looking at. It's the most important. Height of importance is seven.

Cristina: Yes. Seven heads.

Jack: Seven heads or seven dots. So when there's seven dots, doesn't matter how far apart we are. One is in the middle, three on top, three on the bottom. Alternatively, this could be a visualization of the connection to the shadow realm. The top, the thin center, the bottom.

Cristina: And so it has nothing. It doesn't represent that creature. But that creature has to be coming from the shadow worm. I don't know.

Jack: In the case of the creature. In the case of this creature, the Mayan version and the Indian version don't have a center point, while the Russian version does. There's a center point and then three to either side. That doesn't seem to be the case with the Indian visualization of a seven headed thing. And that doesn't seem to be the case with the Mayan representation of a seven headed snake. Being. This is more like Medusa or something. Which is weird because again, that's a Greek Naga. How the h*** are the Mayans so connected to everything they also know about that?

Cristina: I don't know. But what if this is Medusa? Like, well, how would we know it's not?

Jack: How would we know it's not? Well, over here it looks like apes. Seven headed ape creature.

Cristina: It's too hard for me to really see, I guess. I don't know. You see apes in that.

Jack: But then when we look at the dog.

Cristina: No idea. I don't know.

Jack: It's complicated. This is. This is worth picking apart.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because there's something here. Although when we look at Russia, it looks like they are showing us a visual of the shadow realm. Any creature in the shadow realm.

Cristina: I wanna know their story.

Jack: Yeah, we've never come across the Russians. The first mention of Russia is in this image.

Cristina: I'm sure Russia has a lot of horror stories. We gotta look that up.

Jack: Yep, that's what I got. This is me trying to zero in.

Cristina: We are definitely zeroing in on something. I just don't know what it did.

Jack: We're always closer than we were, but we are always left with a crap ton more questions than we began with.

Cristina: Yes, I have no idea what's going on.

Jack: That's where we are. That's where we are.

Cristina: But it's connected somehow.

Jack: Everything seems connected somehow. Everything seems connected somehow. And we have the Persians discussing this dude named El showing up.

Cristina: And that is amazing.

Jack: That's beautiful. That tells us a lot.

Cristina: Who knows where else he shows up?

Jack: Yeah, 100%. That's crazy. He is definitely a sea people. Sea people. Sea person.

Cristina: Ancient sea person.

Jack: Nation. Sea person. The great, great, great something of Jehovah.

Cristina: Yeah. That's so cool.

Jack: Okay, anyways, that's what we got. That's what I got. That's as far as we've gotten thus far. And hopefully we can come up with some other details and find some other things. But as of now, maybe next week we'll come out and put something else. But the similarities are striking and the stories are tying up more, more and more. And now, with the help of L and his conclusions, we have a tighter connection between the Shadow Realm and the Overworld Earth Realm. They're one. So now. Which is why it's easier to get from one to the other than it is to even conceive of what the h*** Elfame is.

Cristina: Yep. Which has to somehow be connected somehow.

Jack: It has to be tied in. It has to be. Everything is tied in somehow. Elfame is tied in. It has to be. You're totally right. It has to be. There's no exception to this. We just don't know how. And once we see it, we won't be able to unsee it. But until we see it, we have no idea what the we're looking at.

Cristina: Yep. But it's there.

Jack: It's there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Anyways, if you guys have any input, please message us. Hit us up on our socials at just convopod on Tick Tock, Facebook X or Instagram.

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Jack: Yes. And word of mouth. Be sure to tell people who might have some input, insight or any kind of anything to add. If you know anything about the seven headed creatures or the seven points that in hieroglyphs and sculptures are above the most powerful beings civilizations, please tell us.

Cristina: What we don't know. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

July 23, 2022

Rambling 185: Akashita the Jehovah of Dark

July 23, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

For what reason is Christian diety Jehovah depicted above the clouds? Why does Japanese cloud yokai Akashita have human physical features? And how are they connected? The duo tries to uncover whether Jehovah and Akashita are one and the same by discussing the personality shift between the new and old testaments of the bible.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Nick Kroll
Is Goku Jesus?
Adrenochrome
Editing the Bible
Scripture Right or Wrong
The Garen of Eden
Who made the Fruit of Knowledge?
The Shadow Realm
War of the Clouds
Mass Extinction Event

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Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And so what happened recently was that. I'll see how long I can hold that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: What happened recently is that we were talking about last week specifically.

Cristina: Are you trying to do, like, who are you trying to be? Are you that monster from that show, Big Mouth? Or are you doing something else?

Jack: You think I'm doing a Nick Kroll impression? You think I'm doing a Nick Kroll impression?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, I guess it's kind of in that ballpark, right? Interesting. Is that in the. What is it called? He's the hormone monster.

Cristina: Yeah, the hormone monster.

Jack: Is this the hormone monster? Wait, isn't the hormone monster. Yeah, the hormone monster. Is Nick Kroll, or is the hormone monster Jason Manzoukas?

Cristina: No, it's Nick.

Jack: It's Nick, right?

Cristina: Pretty sure it's Nick. Nick has a lot of people in that show.

Jack: Nick. Nick is a. Let's. Let's be real and applaud. It's so freaking underrated, bro. That's a genius. Right? Like, he does so much crap and, like, nobody's looking in that direction. It's like, why, dude? And it's all good. Yeah, it's like, why is he not like, one of the biggest s**** that's ever existed in the comedy world?

Cristina: Did you see him show? He was doing pretty much the same thing in his show. Not the same thing, but he was doing a bunch of characters pretty much.

Jack: Yeah, it's. Yeah, exactly. He's just really exaggeratedly skilled and can do quite a bit of work alone.

Cristina: So you're done with the voice?

Jack: Oh, I totally. Yeah. See, I'm not. I can't commit. Anyways, so the point is.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That last week. Last week on Dragon Ball Z, Goku was talking about.

Cristina: He was not.

Jack: He was totally here, but he was.

Cristina: Talking about some type of science thing. No sign.

Jack: We were talking about a science.

Cristina: I don't know if that's where you were going with it. If he was talking about science to us. No, no, he wasn't.

Jack: Goku probably knows science. No, no, he does.

Cristina: Okay. What was he talking about?

Jack: He was talking about. Who would be more accurate to be talking about that? Anyways, so he was talking about. I don't remember exactly how the conversation led him. It was something about profit. We're going to become prophets and predict how the world was going to end or some.

Cristina: That is very strange that he was talking to us about that.

Jack: No, we were talking about that.

Cristina: Whatever, though, because, like, isn't he Jesus or something? No, that's not.

Jack: I guess he's kind of like Jes. Well, no, not really. Jesus was sent to Earth to destroy it. That's.

Cristina: Wait, you said Jesus?

Jack: Yeah, you said Jesus.

Cristina: No, but you said Jesus was sent to Earth to destroy it.

Jack: No, that would be if Goku was Jesus. Okay, then that means Jesus is essentially just an alien sent to Earth to destroy it.

Cristina: We don't know that, but I see.

Jack: What you mean, because his story is kind of like the boy who turned out to be the chosen one.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: And is here to save the world or whatever. So, yeah, I see. He's both sent there to destroy it and that, like, prophet, Savior, Jesus.

Cristina: It could be Wolf.

Jack: Yeah, yeah.

Cristina: You don't know.

Jack: Look, this is. If there's any argument. I mean, I guess it's on point. We're talking about the point which is the future. But if there's any consideration to how this particular prophet. It could possibly be both, it's that Jehovah of light clearly does not agree with Jesus. Only Jehovah of Dark does, which is do you but let them do them. Which was not the motto of Jehovah of Light, which was like, bro, you do what I say, how I say f*** yo. S***, I don't care what you want to do.

Cristina: It's like, whoa, even though he's light, he's bad.

Jack: Yeah, Basically he's from this side is why he's Jehovah of light.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The other thing we call Jehovah, but is clearly not unless at a God tier, there's some sort of application of the principle of opposites, polarity, you know? And if that applies, then Jehovah of Light was simultaneously created with Jehovah of Dark, which I think we discussed before, because the theory would suggest that there is a Me of Dark. Even if I can also go there, it can also come here. But there should be a. If equal opposites happens, and in the shadow room, there should be a me or something equal. There should be an equal to me on this side.

Cristina: Huh? I don't remember talking about that.

Jack: Maybe it's just a thought I had during one of our conversations.

Cristina: Okay. Because I remember talking about the light and dark of them.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Talking about us as humans and is there a different form of us?

Jack: Well, so the idea here was that The Jehovah of the Dark that somehow replaces Jehovah of Light in the Bible, dead center at the birth of Jesus Christ. And suddenly the rules change and kindness is in and horror punishments are out.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: If that's the. The outcome here, the idea that we're saying is that the guy who comes from. We're assuming he's coming from the shadow.

Cristina: Realm, but they both are. Or. No.

Jack: No, not Jehovah of Light, of Dark, and Jehovah of Light. Only Jehovah of Light is from this side. He's something from this end.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But his equal opposite is Jehovah of Dark. And somehow Jehovah of Dark from the shadow realm crosses over and gets rid of Orin prisons, which is what we suggested initially, Jehovah of Light. But in this case, we're assuming that regardless of what happened between them, that one took over. What's the origin of the other? And why are they equal in caliber.

Cristina: But not philosophy equal in that, like, whoever's here can't travel over there, and whatever's over there can travel here and there whenever they want.

Jack: Maybe whatever's over here could travel over there. And we don't know that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because we can travel over there.

Cristina: We can't travel over there.

Jack: Well, we have ways of crossing, but.

Cristina: It'S usually having to do with something from over there helping us get there.

Jack: Yes, or dying.

Cristina: Or dying.

Jack: But there's ways, because death is not the end of life. It's just a part of life. And so a lot of creatures, a lot of people, a lot of things in this end go and take adrenochrome.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Have their moment of immortality, they run out or get killed by some other means that aren't natural, and they, instead of disappearing entirely, just enter the shadow realm. So something is happening. Also, we've never discussed what happens to the individuals outside of the shadow realm, because we know that that equals going to the shadow realm. But what the f*** happens if you didn't consume and then you did die?

Cristina: What does a normal person go through?

Jack: Yeah, we've established what happens if you die with adrenochrome. What really happens if you die? It can't just be all physics and s***. There has to be some logical counter to the. To the shadow realm, which I guess would be like heaven or whatever we're calling heaven or h***.

Cristina: So another location of dead people.

Jack: Yes, I guess.

Cristina: I don't know. That's complicated. Why would there be?

Jack: Well, I guess it would be an infinite number of locations. Right. And different ways to get there? Because are we assuming that heaven is all. It's. That's a different realm, right? That's not a different dimension? No, we're in every dimension simultaneously. That's another realm. That's the other location we never talk about.

Cristina: Isn't it here, though? Isn't it like a physical place?

Jack: So you're saying I can, like, get on a rocket ship and fly up to Heaven?

Cristina: The way they make it seem. I don't know if that's right, but it feels like it's like the Hercules stories where they live up there in the clouds?

Jack: Well, no. In the. In the Christian Bible. It doesn't work that way. In the Christian Bible, heaven is some sort of untraversible thing. It's impossible to get to without dying. Unless they literally.

Cristina: No, because they could. Because that's why he destroyed the tower they were making that was gonna go up to heaven.

Jack: Did he really think they were gonna get to him? Is that the idea? Or he was just punishing them for the attempt?

Cristina: It could be either. Or. But if he was punishing them for almost getting there. Yeah.

Jack: Well, no, that's the question. If it's punishment or resistance. If it's punishment, then you don't really. They weren't gonna get anywhere. You're just like, why are you trying to cheat? Yeah, but if it was just him protecting himself. Well, okay, what of space, then?

Cristina: And, yes, I feel like he was protecting himself because every time they go to heaven, they go up into the sky, though, too. That you physically. You see it. You see?

Jack: I love what you said. And it. I had a lag moment. And, like, you said, like, the gods who live on towers and s***, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Okay. Except the depiction of Jehovah is on clouds. His heaven is in the clouds, not on a mountain. What if it's a literal location? That is a thing of a collection that looks like to us a collection of clouds. And it's not. It's below space to us. Like, I could fly and miss it because it would just look like clouds to me.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But he's just a creature literally living in some sort of cloud kingdom above. And he just looks like clouds. And you can't tell where he is. He could be anywhere.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Weird question. We're looking for a cloud.

Cristina: We're looking for a cloud.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: I thought we found it. Oh, no, we're not.

Jack: We need Steve.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To finish.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And we're looking for a cloud. We need Steve because he communicates with clouds or whatever the f*** he does, and that Cloud. The godlike cloud. The godlike cloud with godlike behavior. And now we're considering this possibility that.

Cristina: There is a creature living on clouds which are actually creatures. Which kind of makes sense. There are creatures that live on other creatures.

Jack: Yeah, but not even creatures living on other creatures, but rather this particular cloud. Like why would God. Why would the God. Why would Jehovah be a human looking thing living up there? What if what we're looking for is. Goes by one name, but that's just its Japanese name and we're talking about Jehovah. And the reason nobody has ever found Jehovah is because they're looking for a humanoid thing in the freaking sky.

Cristina: Well, when they describe him, I would imagine he's not actually a cloud. He is a creature from the sky. But it would be more likely that he's some type of electrical creature because he's blinding. When you see him, you'll be blind.

Jack: Well, theories.

Cristina: We know that electricity, like lightnings, could be creatures.

Jack: Yes. But also we. Yeah, totally. 100% lightning could be creature. But we know this cloud has a face, which means it has human characteristics, which means that maybe the things people have reported that show up in the Bible. Oh, he showed us a shoulder. I saw the shoulder of God and then my face was glowing and all I saw was a shoulder. He was too much to see. Yeah, but what happens when we look at this cloud? Akashita. That was his name. What happens when we look at Akashita, his face? We see what looks like a face.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: When somebody reported what looked like a shoulder.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You see the similarity there? There's just. Well, I. You can only see a small part of me. Maybe the face glowing thing is the exaggeration in that story. Maybe what he did see was some humanoid fe. But it's because this creature has the ability to do that. Just make himself. He's a cloud. I can look like whatever the f*** I want. Okay, so he'll do things because it's a weird thing.

Cristina: He could be cloud. I mean, like, he loves creating storms and stuff, right?

Jack: Yeah. And he's curious. Right. And he sees he didn't make these creatures. We know he didn't make us. Really? Really. He's something that showed up and wants to convince us of that. But there's a bunch of other s***.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And he knows that. That's why he tells you, hey, don't look at the other s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Right. So there's other stuff. He's not special. He didn't make us. We're just Here. And there's a bunch of crap fighting for our attention.

Cristina: That would be weird. No, he can't be the cloud creature we're looking for because. Or he could. That's confusing because the. What's it called? The Triangle.

Jack: The Bermuda Triangle with a bunch of clouds?

Cristina: Yes. It's hiding Adam and Eve from God, which is a cloud. The clouds are hiding.

Jack: Well, hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up.

Cristina: Does this make sense?

Jack: No. Yes, it does. And I'm gonna. And I'm about to blow your f****** mind, bro. Okay, let's ground it, because this is what we do. The show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. Okay, I established that there's Jehovah of Light and Jehovah of Dark. And I also established that the narrative changed in the middle of the Bible 2000 years ago.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The reason Akashita looks like a dark cloud is because we're looking at Jehovah of Dark. Obviously, we're not dealing with the other one. Thus solving your problem.

Cristina: The other one? Light. Wait, which one is the one that's from the shadow realm?

Jack: The Jehovah of Dark? Akashita. The one that's out there. I think Jehovah of Dark is Akashita. That's my conclusion. They're the same.

Cristina: Wait, is he the bad one, though?

Jack: No, no, he's the good one.

Cristina: The good one. And he comes from here?

Jack: No, the good one comes from the shadow realm.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Okay. Yes, it's a little confusing.

Jack: Yes, it's definitely confusing because I'm referring to where they come from, what their stance is. According to. We usually we think light good, dark bad. But here it's the opposite because whatever was from here is what's messed up.

Cristina: And whatever that's crazy because everything from there so far has been the messed up thing. But we're saying for some reason, the one that's here is the messed up one and not the one from over there.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, 100%. But the thing that's over here is already kind of weird. And it's a cloud that drains people of blood and s***. So that's also kind of crazy. Like it's a monster at the same time.

Cristina: Yes, yes, that's true.

Jack: It doesn't often, and it doesn't need to, and it won't. It's almost like if you f*** with it, it will. You're screwed.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But also, it sounds like an animal that's sentient. Or not an animal sentient, but like a. He's Curious.

Cristina: But now we have to look for creatures that are like cloud monsters, but also that they have rivals. And what do those rivals look like? Because then we could figure out what could possibly be. Like, what other stories could be telling the God of Light, or whatever you want to call him. Jehovah of Light.

Jack: Jehovah of Light. Interesting. Interesting. Yeah. We have to find.

Cristina: We found something that could be Jehovah dark. There has to be somewhere else that.

Jack: Shows Jehovah of Light. There has to be an example. Well, we know.

Cristina: Fighting each other, probably.

Jack: Interesting, interesting. There has to be a. Well, there are stories of brothers fighting each other.

Cristina: Yes, but I mean, like, more. Because those are way ancient stories. But we need something more recent. List the cloud stories more recent in.

Jack: The form of the Christian mythology. Is that the argument here? There should be an example that maybe somewhere they tripped up and said something that tells of somehow the sky fighting the sky or some s*** like that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To then be like, wait, they did. They. They hit. They tried hiding the thing. It's just too many bugs. It's too much going on. You will have. That's why there's so many plot holes. Because they took out s*** that was filling in the gaps.

Cristina: Because they needed. We do have to find it in some other story outside of.

Jack: But then that'll tell us where to look by comparison. So we. We find it outside first and then we bring it in. So we find some equivalent story of sky fighting sky, clouds fighting clouds.

Cristina: Something.

Jack: Yeah, something, something.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then we. When we find the story, we find out what the story is and what story is similar to that story in Christian mythology.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Then we jump into Christian mythology and look at the story and see if this is the battle between Jehovah of Light and Jehovah of Dark. Thus proving the point.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess that's what we gotta do. Yes. That sounds like a great idea.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: We're gonna find the.

Jack: Now, is Lucifer Jehovah of Dark? Are those one in the same? Or is Jesus the prophet Lucifer one of those two? Because they share. They share similar ideas. You're saying that Jesus is Jehovah of Dark? That that story of Jesus being the son of God is true? That maybe. Okay, this is interesting because there is a similar story with Zeus. Thus Hercules.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Is Jesus Hercules, I guess. Right. Kind of. He's the chosen special one, directly son of God. So. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. From a mortal and a God.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just like Jesus.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: He might also be saying, I don't know.

Jack: No, that's almost the Same s***. Yeah, That's a whole other bag of worms. But we're gonna get there because then the idea is that Jehovah of Dark, immediately after somehow taking over whatever Jehovah of Light was dealing with, was conquering whatever was his property. When Jehovah of Dark immediately took over that he impregnated a mortal woman as the first thing he did. Not in a bad way. But this person needs to have gifts and they need to tell these people who've been told to fear shame though.

Cristina: That he's a cloud king. Because the clouds are protecting Adam and Eve in the water layer. So like, holy crap. Had them. He put them in charge then. That's not like a prison of clouds that act strangely or anything. He put them there specifically.

Jack: He's not keeping them in, he's keeping everything else out.

Cristina: Yeah, protecting them from the Jehovah of Light. Yeah.

Jack: Interesting, interesting. That checks out. So then this child isn't.

Cristina: Because he'd be the snake that helped them out.

Jack: Well, no, we don't know what the f*** that snake was. That's not established yet. That's still an assumption that that's even Lucifer.

Cristina: I'm saying that it's most likely Jehovah of Dark that helped them.

Jack: You think?

Cristina: Yeah, to get them. Them to see that this light guy is alive.

Jack: Interesting. So the argument would be that Jehovah of. Yeah, cuz Lucifer was there back then. But Jehovah of Light claims Jehovah of Dark is his creation.

Cristina: He would do that.

Jack: Interesting, Interesting. He would do that.

Cristina: He's a liar.

Jack: He's a liar. Pathological liar.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: And also there's an interesting philosophy as to why Jehovah of Dark couldn't just tell everybody the truth. Right. There is this ideology with proof. It's very proven before that if you suddenly change a system, it will break. You need to change it in increments. Think of how easy it was for Hitler to do what he did by changing things in increments. But think of how entire countries have collapsed because of giant changes that suddenly happened.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Increments is key. So from the very beginning of the stories told in the Bible, when Jehovah of Light. Really, really, really, who knows how long Jehovah of Dark was around. He summarized the beginning. Right. He's quick through it because it wouldn't make sense in the words of whatever they are.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: These clouds are somehow here before whatever the h*** humans developed. But these are ancient clouds. But we also know that because water recycles infinitely, those clouds have been up there forever. It's the same f****** clouds. There's never been new clouds. It's not enough that could happen.

Cristina: They're here. In the beginning of time, They've seen it all.

Jack: Yeah, they've seen it all, bro.

Cristina: Makes sense.

Jack: Yeah, since.

Cristina: And we know they're protecting us from the cat people, right? That's the thing.

Jack: Give a s***. No, they don't give a crap. We need their help for the cat people.

Cristina: Yeah. So that they won't do. They won't trap us like the other planets or something. We're going to convince them. Something like that.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't. I don't remember what the conflict was. The Cat People directly. I know it's an ancient battle we've been having for so long we forgot about what it's about. But, yeah, you know what? We're still winning. D***, that's crazy. This fight's been going on so long, we forgot what it's about. I have no idea what it's about. I feel. I think maybe just they're too powerful. And that's dangerous.

Cristina: Yes, that's pretty much it.

Jack: Yeah. You know, like, get rid of the problem, perhaps.

Cristina: We know they were here doing experiments, and we know we're one of them somehow.

Jack: Somehow. Well, adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes. Because of cat people. Yeah, somehow.

Jack: Somehow. But anyway, so Jehovah of Dark did small incremental changes. The Bible begins at that point. Hey, look. What the f*** is this? Because again, it was quick, quick, quick. And then Jehovah of Dark shows up. So there was a log being essentially kept by Jehovah of Light that he then told people to write down.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That was the point he was keeping. He was using them as their diary. You guys invented writing. How interesting. I've never considered this. So I'm gonna tell some of you to write stuff for me. Is that cool? And then. Yeah, whatever, dude. You're like a cloud thing. How interesting. Yeah, tell me what to write and I'll write it. Yeah, but there's a bunch of cloud people also that I got homies and cloud stuff.

Cristina: And you wouldn't tell them that because he wants them to believe he's the one and only.

Jack: No, no, no. He's saying that he's the. You know, the angels and s***.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah, there's other cloud crap. And I'm gonna tell you about all the clouds. My cloud. I'm the king of my cloud world, and I come to tell you of these stories.

Cristina: Is he a cloud as well?

Jack: Yes, he has to be the opposite of weird Jehovah of Dark. Unless he's not and it's some creature, some totally different creature overthrew him. Because again, the Bible does try to. At least a Christian Bible makes a pretty heavy distinction between what they are. They aren't the same thing. It could also be. Well no, because we're assuming he's from the outside because I would have suggested that he's some sort of experiment created by Jehovah of Light.

Cristina: The dark.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But no, because he's from the shadow realm. That's the established idea here. He could have been involved in the bringing over and so claims like you owe me.

Cristina: I think he is a shadow. I mean he, the original one is also a cloud.

Jack: Yes, they're both clouds.

Cristina: Yes. But the other clouds are somehow different because they're shadow clouds. They drink blood and stuff. Right. So I guess.

Jack: Well, they don't need to. But they can.

Cristina: But they can. Then there's gotta be other clouds that you didn't talk about, you didn't learn about. That's probably related to this other.

Jack: Well, we know that there's the blood cloud things that are just clouds on this side that when they have adrenochrome they get all red and then they get black and then they go. They create storms and weird glitches and s***. But I don't believe. But that doesn't sound like Jehovah of.

Cristina: Dark or Light Dark.

Jack: Yeah, Jehovah of Dark is the good one from the shadow realm.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That does not sound like him. That sounds like Jehovah of Light.

Cristina: But he's not a shadow creature or plot twist.

Jack: And I guess it would kind of check out what you were saying earlier that like it does sound like they're backwards. Maybe the original thing here was just some s***. And what we're talking about really is that Jehovah of Dark settled on humans first came from that side. Maybe it's the first thing to come over here. Then settled on humans. It was like, oh s***. And they have blood. What the f*** is this s***? Imma just settle here. And what if I. If they just don't know that there's anything outside? I could just get them breeding in here and just f****** drink their blood forever and just be set, bro. But the actually good Jehovah of Light that didn't have to settle on anybody. He's good. Why would I need to conquer anybody? Let people be. That sounds way more right. Let people be. I'm Jehovah of Light. Let people be. Why would you just lie to them? Have them volunteer? If they want to give you blood, then that's perfectly fine.

Cristina: Are you changing their names?

Jack: No, I'm saying that Jehovah of Darkness is just the one at the beginning of the Bible. That he's. It's the same idea. He somehow came from the shadow realm, but he's the one at the beginning. Jehovah of Dark is the first one we encounter.

Cristina: The shadow realm one.

Jack: The shadow realm one. He came because Jehovah of light. If he's really good, he'd have no reason just to conquer humanity. There's no beef. I'm just here and I saw creatures happen. Okay, but I've seen creatures happen. Whatever. There were dinosaurs before. I didn't give a s*** then, I don't give a s*** now.

Cristina: So he's just normal clouds.

Jack: He's normal cloud that's overpowered. He's a really overpowered cloud.

Cristina: And then the blood shadow realm cloud came and changed things. And that's when the Bible started.

Jack: The Bible? Yeah, the Bible is told from the point of view of Jehovah of light at all points. Which is why he would paint the true stories of Jehovah of Dark in there. Now it's hard to change the system again. Maybe this is the smart God again. I've been watching humanity for how long? I defeated the big bad that was corrupting them, but they already believe it. So like I said, Hitler changed it in incremental changes. So this thing knows they have how many billion years before I jumped in and stopped this creature. Which if we now think about the dating on this, I guess Akashita is the shadow realm creature. Checks out. He's the darker one. Literally the dark cloud.

Cristina: I thought he was. Oh, he is the dark cloud.

Jack: And he is a cloud that drinks blood.

Cristina: Oh, okay, now it doesn't.

Jack: He doesn't do it chaotically. But also, we're assuming that we're talking about a God who tried to establish an order and ended up with a religion. Checks out. That he wouldn't be a vicious murderer just blankly. He's creative. He's the cloud to think so smart.

Cristina: Should we be messing with him then?

Jack: I don't know, because listen to me, he got beat by Jehovah of Light. It's still the Bible we're talking about. He was just at the beginning. Regardless, when we find him, we know regardless of who's who, when we find them, they're fine. Because the second part of the Bible.

Cristina: He'S not the one protecting Adam. And Eve, it would be the light.

Jack: Jehovah of light is the one protecting. Yeah. But regardless, whatever cloud is out now is the cloud we're talking about. And that cloud is good no matter what name we give them. Is this the order of events that led to the cloud being good and which is the good cloud, what we're establishing? Because the good cloud won no matter what.

Cristina: The good cloud being the second part of the Bible.

Jack: Jehovah of Light.

Cristina: But you're saying.

Jack: Or not Jehovah of. Yeah, whatever. Does the Jehovah of Light is the second part of the Bible, no matter what?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's just. How is that playing out?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Or I guess not Jehovah of Light in the second part of the Bible, but sorry for the confusion.

Cristina: This is confusing. Okay, yes.

Jack: If Jehovah of Light as the second part of the Bible, then he beat Jehovah of dark at the beginning of the Bible. And that would have been Akashita being.

Cristina: The light or the dark.

Jack: The dark. The dark. Always Akashita.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Always Akashita.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that just means. That falls in line with how old the stories of Akashita are.

Cristina: So then the.

Jack: They're about.

Cristina: Yes. He's the dark. Then the light one is somewhere hidden, but he is the one hiding Adam and Eve.

Jack: Yes. So the. The series of events would go as follows. Some creature from somewhere shows up. He is this dark cloud thing. This is a new narrative. We're correcting the events of the Bible and assuming that the true creatures in the Bible we're talking about are these cloud creatures.

Cristina: Okay, so there are already clouds here. There were people here already because cat people. Then the cloud shows up from the shadow realm.

Jack: No, Cat people were here when humans were here too.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah, but they made the humans and then this shadow creature.

Jack: We don't know they made the humans. We know the humans worship them.

Cristina: I thought they were experiments.

Jack: Were they. They were experimenting on humans, weren't they?

Cristina: Oh, I thought they were human. They were. They were like, science experiments. They made.

Jack: No, I don't remember that being established, but maybe we just gotta find that to be true.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Well, whatever. Okay, whatever. Humans are here. The cloud God is here. But he's not, like, trying to convince anyone.

Jack: He doesn't care. He's a cloud. And then he's seen dinosaurs happen. He saw people happen. He saw a cat God. He's whatever.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which. Then we'll get to the events of Cat God leaving shortly after.

Cristina: Then the shadow realm God came.

Jack: Yes. And he then settles down and decides, I'm gonna grab these couple of people, wipe their minds or something. They're gonna just be fresh.

Cristina: Some crazy event happened that summoned him here in a way. You know, like.

Jack: Yeah. Like a supernatural rip or something that this thing snuck in.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then decided, well, this is badass. And, like, never been here before. But, like, there's resources in this realm I've never seen and I like them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And I'm going to take him. I don't know how he stumbled upon. He probably just chilled here for hundreds of years before he tasted blood. Right. And was like, holy. What? What? Or just saw a murder chilled there and was like, what the f***?

Cristina: Yeah. He was probably just drinking off of fear first.

Jack: Yeah. He felt it.

Cristina: I mean, he probably came here from. With fear.

Jack: Yeah. He felt it in the direction of whatever rip or thing allowed him to get here.

Cristina: Whatever was the big first thing in the Bible, which would be when God set the world on fire. He did that first. Right. Or he drowned the world first. He drowned the world, I think. And then. Which wasn't really him. The world just a giant flood came. People got scared. A lot of people got scared. This shadow came.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And he was like, I did it.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Better not do that again.

Jack: But it was. That wasn't even the first appearance.

Cristina: That wasn't.

Jack: No, the first. Because again, it's the dark shadow thing is the very first thing in the Bible. It's just that story is being told by Jehovah of light. But the events of that story are starting. So he's there from Adam and Eve. He shows up, sees Adam and Eve, and decides, I'm gonna settle here.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And I'm gonna breed these things.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The flood is way later. But he's probably taking claim for everything horrible that happens with convenient timing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And he can also probably cause crazy s*** because that he could. We know Akashita can. So you could cause nuts things. Weaker storms can cause massive things. We know those like tower storms that just come colossal and destroy in their path.

Cristina: But it makes no sense that there's just two people. He. Maybe he. There was some event that wiped off a bunch of people and only two were left.

Jack: Well, I think the event was caused by the Akashita. I think it was part of. Oh, it was just like, hey, I snatched these individuals up. I put them somewhere else.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That they're probably an island or some s***. That they're completely away from everything else. It's a big island. Because my plan is to mass produce Them or not an island, but he's also capable of moving through the sky, seeing where humans are settling down. And he's like, I'm gonna move them too far for them to walk out of. And also probably craft enough. I'm a landscape so that it's impossible for them to leave anyways. And I'm a breed them in there after I wipe their minds with my whatever abilities. And then Imma just tell them what the universe is, however I want so that I can breed them successfully without their resistance and extract their blood, I guess. And then at that very moment that this plan starts being hatched without directly messing with anything, he just becomes the thing. Now, I don't know. In this new narrative where the apples land, which is interesting that that's even the analogy.

Cristina: What apples?

Jack: The apple of knowledge. What's happening? If we've corrected everything else, what is happening here? Because there is something that. But then again, the lies. There's so many lies.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This tree could have been put there by Jehovah of Light, snuck in and really Jehovah dark doesn't even know which tree it is. He knows. He made trees for them to eat. And then Jehovah of light snuck one in and he's like, hey, I got a secret. Can't tell anybody.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: One of those trees. And I'm gonna tell you exactly which one. I'm pointing over there. That one. Okay. That tree over there, it has a fruit that's gonna give you your memory back. It's gonna give. It's the fruit of knowledge.

Cristina: But maybe it helps them actually see what these creatures are from the shadow realm. Maybe it helps them communicate with the shadow realm.

Jack: Well, they don't need to know that information for one reason. Once they get their memory back, they'll instantly be able to know. Well, I was living over there before I got snatched up. My memory got eradicated. Like, duh. This is an a******. H*** yeah.

Cristina: Yes. And then that's why they live in that underwater kingdom. They're protected.

Jack: Yeah. Because they do know.

Cristina: Because now they're just sea creatures now.

Jack: Yeah. After evolution or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: Like, what did they tell us? They genetically modified themselves at first and then adapted gradually. But yeah. You see how the story. So the fruit was actually made by Jehovah of light, and Jehovah of Dark couldn't kill it because it's the only food he gave him. So he doesn't know which one. He's like, look, I'm gonna make other fruits over there. I gotta find the fruit. Over here. So I can't get rid of these. I gotta find it to see what he did. But I don't know. I don't. I'm experimenting over here. Don't touch these fru. Only eat those over there.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because he heard that.

Cristina: He heard like he put a decoy tree or something. Like he put something over there. And he was like, nope, I gotta make sure it's. I gotta get it out.

Jack: Yeah. He's gotta get the tree out. Because he's like, I know the son of a b**** puts a tree in there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And I need these fruits because it's gonna do whatever the h*** I want. I put my power into it. And I can't just destroy the trees. But this a****** also put his power into his tree and I need to get his tree out. But he made it look like my trees. And now I don't know what's going on. So go to those trees until I tell you which of these trees you could eat from.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Like. Yeah. Yeah. And he's like, look, you can get all your memories back. All your memories back. Think about it. You can. You can see. You understand What I'm just telling you is crap. You need to know.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. I think this story makes sense. Sort of totally works out.

Jack: It totally checks out. So now the narrative is shifted. Jehovah of Dark is the beginning. The first. But he was not the original one here. He was just here before we were. But Jehovah of Light was definitely here long before Jehovah of Dark. He just happens to be the second part of the Bible.

Cristina: Okay. Yes. Yes.

Jack: So this cloud is chilling. Akashita somehow, following the scent of fear, crosses the threshold from the shadow realm.

Cristina: The dinosaurs dying. There you go. That's the solution. That's a big enough event that would create so much fear. Even if it's not human fear. Even if it's not human.

Jack: Human fear have the strongest heat.

Cristina: It's the Mount.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. No, you're totally right. I think you solved it. Right. Because it has to be an event that so drastically shifts everything.

Cristina: Horrifying.

Jack: Yes. That is. She just manifests. And he's a. What the f***? Where am I? Or it's the first rip between this specific. Because there has to be many different real.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: This just happens to be the one we found. But why? Because an event that just happens, like tearing a hole through one universe and landing on another. We just tore a hole through a realm which works differently than traversing space.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And so this event. Meteor hits the first instance of life. And as it gets closer, the temperature starts to drastically go up. They're just animals, but it starts to get really. And there's a lot of them starts to get really, really hot. A bunch of them start to go crazy and attack each other. They start to go into a panicked frenzy, freaking the f*** out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the fear only goes up and up as it literally starts to hurt, as they start to boil alive. And somewhere in some whole other realm, this creature with enough power chilling somewhere in is like. What the. Is that?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Is it a smell? Is it a taste or whatever the works over there, you know, the equivalent of a smell or taste?

Cristina: It could be. I don't know.

Jack: No, it's. It's something else. Because he's detecting it across realms.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, yes, yes. He's sensing the fear and the blood somehow.

Jack: The fear. The fear. The fear's in the blood. That's why the blood matters.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: You can just get more fury in the blood because it gets stuck there and it collects into a lot of it. But yes, before he got that far, he was. He was like, whoa, whoa, dude, I don't know what it is, but I want it. And he just followed it. But again, the event was so catastrophic that there was a peak moment between the. The height of the fear and the impact that tore something and then connected the two.

Cristina: Okay, wait, he's the bad one or the good one?

Jack: Akashita is the bad one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Then the tear happens, and Akashita can then come through following the fear.

Cristina: Okay. Because then Jesus doesn't make sense anymore because we know he was putting on up gates everywhere to go to the shadow realm, so. And he likes blood.

Jack: The shadow realm is in heaven.

Cristina: No, that wouldn't make Jesus. Akashita.

Jack: No, the shadow realm is not heaven.

Cristina: He was putting up gates to the shadow Realm. Right, Jesus.

Jack: To stop people from going to the bad place?

Cristina: No, to get the creatures from the shadow realm into here.

Jack: He was putting up gates.

Cristina: Like open portals. He was putting up.

Jack: Oh, he was opening.

Cristina: Opening gates. There you go.

Jack: Yes. Okay, now I get what you're saying. He was opening things, Opening gates. Jesus was Jesus?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: I don't remember. But it was also happening in Japan was one of the places where he was just putting a bunch of. You were telling us the story of this. You don't remember?

Jack: Yeah, I kind of do.

Cristina: It was Jesus in Japan, where they are the ones that sing this. God, who's really God? I guess.

Jack: Wait, you're talking about Akashita?

Cristina: Not Jesus. No. Jesus was doing well, Both of them come from Japan. In this story, he's a Japanese creature. The.

Jack: Oh, my God. No, yeah, I understand. I remember. I remember.

Cristina: Was made a bunch of temples in Japan.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, but yeah, that story is total nonsense. And that isn't happening.

Cristina: How do you know?

Jack: Well, we're. We were reconfiguring the story. That's the whole point here. If some of these things then others not. And we'd have to work that into what's really happening rather than just say, well, everything else changes. That's not changing. Why isn't that part changing? Why are those gates to the shadow realm? And why is that information maybe not wrong or maybe why isn't that not Jesus? And in fact, maybe somebody else.

Cristina: Okay, you get my point. That's not Jesus.

Jack: Well, here's a very interesting thing that we're not considering. In the middle of these stories, the Bible confirms Jesus dies and the story is told by Jehovah of Light. Also the moment Jehovah, because we can figure this. Or again, the moment Jehovah of light got rid of Jehovah of Dark and then settled as well. I can't instantly change it. I gotta incrementally change it. One of his incremental changes was, but I'm gonna f*** that lady. So, like, that was just something he's like, okay, look, been here for a while fixing s***. Can I just, like, put it in that one? That's it. Let's say I just want her to have. Then again, maybe he doesn't do that. Maybe it's not an attraction. Maybe it's like, I want one of me down there. I want to see what that's like. I'm not hurting anybody. I'm not gonna hurt anybody. He hasn't hurt anybody since the middle of the Bible.

Cristina: I don't know. It could still be the Jehovah of Dark. Like, he didn't change any story to say, no, this was me. No, this was that other guy who's just like me. Like, no, he put all of the stories together saying all of it's me, even though some of those are not him. So how do you know that that's him or not?

Jack: Well, based on your logic, he could be either or.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, it's fine.

Jack: I'm assuming the or.

Cristina: Okay, well, yeah, but still, there's a possibility that.

Jack: Yeah, it's a coin toss at this point. Yeah, but assuming he is, then he would be the. Yeah, he's just the Jehovah of Light. But that guy died. And that guy having died, then we have a story like Jesus putting up gates, but that happened way later when it shouldn't have been possible. What if the point of assuring us he's dead and I'll factually let you know when he's back. You're not gonna have a doubt. But then a Jesus shows up and puts up gates and people are like, well, maybe he's Jesus and it's because maybe the diminished again. Hey, Jehovah of dark made this child. Maybe it is Jehovah's dark child. Maybe that's true and that's why he's up there putting gates to the shadow realm. Because the second one that we see is not the original Jehovah.

Cristina: You mean?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This new Jesus that much later just pops up ignoring the logic of his death.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And starts putting up gates to the shadow realm is really just Jehovah of dark doing that.

Cristina: And he's the one, though, that's working with the churches that creates demons to slay demons.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because blood or whatever. And it's not really demons at this point. We're just calling demons chimeras. I mean, we're calling Chimeras demons because they're just making a science experiment that can experience a certain amount of fear and kill it.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. Yeah. And sometimes they're summoning shadow realm creatures just to kill us.

Jack: Yes. They're. They're trying. They're. They're making fear experiments.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I guess the breed the most fearful thing in farm it.

Cristina: Mm. That's pretty horrible.

Jack: And genius. Simultaneous. It's like the darkest s*** you get. Because the life of that thing sucks more than anything that could ever possibly exist. Its existence is based on being probably briefly completely horrified and then dying.

Cristina: Yes. And other people that interact with it have pretty horrible lives. Like they like drinking the child's blood and stuff like that. Like it's pretty horrible. It's like random families get attacked by these creatures, but these creatures were sent to them by the church so that this family could call the church to get rid of this creature.

Jack: S***. So they get the family's fear and they get the creatures fear and the creature fills up on the family.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So it's a siphon that they made that they'll come get rid of for you.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: S***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Checks out. Totally checks out. That is the most believable story I have ever heard about the church, hands down.

Cristina: That's so crazy. That reminds me of the Chupacabra. But yes, it's Almost the same thing.

Jack: Yeah, it. Except the Chupacabra comes from a different dimension or some s***. Right. It's like a God from somewhere else.

Cristina: He's from the Shadow Realm.

Jack: Well, no, he was an alien or something.

Cristina: He was an alien?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: But he also works with Shadow Realm magic or whatever.

Jack: He did pop up. Are we just saying that? No, because they have to. Why did it come through space? It would have just popped up here. Well, maybe other creatures fear. Fear. Feel fear outside of this region. And it was just there.

Cristina: Like it popped up somewhere else from the Shadow Realm and then came here.

Jack: Yeah. So then the real question is because. Yeah, there's s*** everywhere.

Cristina: S*** out there.

Jack: But then the real question is, and this is very interesting, if these creatures are popping up elsewhere, what major event happened that allowed it to detect us from wherever the f*** it was? It then started its trip this way over here. Yeah. To Earth. So it is from the Shadow Realm, but it made an alien trip?

Cristina: I don't know. I think that that dinosaur explosion thing was pretty huge.

Jack: Like, you think the Chupacabra showed up around the time of the dinosaurs?

Cristina: Well, it was probably traveling while during that time. And who knows how long it actually took to get.

Jack: Because it's traversing space.

Cristina: Yeah, like, space is huge.

Jack: You think? No, no, no. It couldn't be the dinosaur event, because it would have shown up in this area. That's. Did you see the problem? Something brought it elsewhere. Oh, I see. It was already out here before. And then the event of dinosaurs was like, oh, crap, I'm headed that way.

Cristina: Yes, that's.

Jack: And then by the time it got.

Cristina: Here, because I'm sure the thing that happened to the dinosaurs happens on other planets. Like, those things will be summoning who knows what.

Jack: So it summoned whatever locally.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then some crap happened elsewhere, which is over here.

Cristina: I gotta check that out.

Jack: They look our way and they come over here. And then we get something. It shows up. It took so long from the time of dying, but it was so. It was like, how magnificent. Whatever I just sensed.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It was like whatever brought me. And I'm here for that, so I'm gonna go look for that. And so it's in who knows how far away that it took it from the point the meteor hit to 1960, like seven or something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To pop up.

Cristina: That's pretty crazy. But it's possible.

Jack: Intrigue. It totally is. Because it's. It's no longer like.

Cristina: I know there's other events, but nothing compared to that, at least.

Jack: Well, here's another way. Interesting point. The gaps of these crazy activities with godlike creatures is sometimes ginormous. But these colossal events we report bring them back. And that checks out even in the Bible. God only warns one guy about the flood. But after the flood, God talks to a bunch of people.

Cristina: It's more energy.

Jack: Why? It's because different gods at different points, right? All of these. And we're talking about these evil, like, do crazy s*** gods, Jehovah of dark type of things. Those events in almost all mythologies in which these conversations happen all happen when, in times of distress. When is the moment that a God is most likely to show up? There's something bad happening, and you directly asked for it. You're like, God, please help. My people are in trouble. They are suffering, they are slaved. And then God decides, holy s***, did this guy just, like, volunteer? He's like a vampire dream come true, bro. Okay, hey, hey, hey. Look, look, look. Guide your people this way. They're gonna be chasing you. But I can hold him off. And he's just being dramatic. You know, there's like, for flair here. He's being dramatic also.

Cristina: He's enjoying it because, like, he murders those people.

Jack: Chasing them, yes. But also he's gonna pick out some of them. He's. Yo, you're telling me there's gonna be a dramatic. Yeah, exactly. He is.

Cristina: Like, he just feeds them, like, barely enough to survive.

Jack: Yeah, it's gonna get bleak, but it's. Oh, I'm all in here.

Cristina: Yeah, the darker it is alive, but it's gonna suck.

Jack: Yeah, the darker it is, the more likely God is to show up, the more likely Jehovah of Dark is to pop up. He doesn't even have to be the reason it's dark. But if it's gonna get dark, he shows up. Jehovah of light, whether it's dark or not. Look, this is your human affairs. I don't expect you to meddle in my cloud affairs. I'm not gonna meddle in your human affairs.

Cristina: Yeah, this makes sense.

Jack: Objective.

Cristina: Okay, Whoa, whoa. That makes sense.

Jack: Checks out. And that Jesus event that happened so much later was, you know, Jehovah of dark. Maybe not dead, but some. I guess maybe he is that because that's his kid. But he maybe death to something from the shadow realm that has had blood is also just go back to the shadow Realm. Something about blood, adrenal chrome specifically brings you to the shadow Realm. And there's a connection there we don't understand. But something about it takes you there. But Fear can be detected from that side.

Cristina: And fear is like, you just come back here.

Jack: Well, no, not even the point that even if he's removed over there and tossed into the shadow realm, what is his son trying to do? His son is trying. Well, that other fake, not the one that is by Jehovah of Light.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Definitely just banged the chick. The dude putting up the portals. Him just using a dirty trick, being like, hey, I'm the guy from the thing. I'm putting the things up. Come to heaven. Yeah, yeah, heaven.

Cristina: Come here when you're sad.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Come here, guys. It's all good. Then these shrines, these portals, allow creatures from over there to then show up. And probably he can't generate a meteor. He doesn't have that level of power. He needs to create enough fear, generally speaking, that perhaps allows his father through at some point. But systematically, Jehovah of Light picks at him. So science is slowly dominating the old mythology that he established. Because, again, Jehovah of Light is not gonna just break it. He knows it breaks. He's seen how humans function.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He knows systems. He's been around. And so he's like, I can't just change it. He's doing the Hitler small incremental changes. This way, he doesn't really care if.

Cristina: We follow him or not.

Jack: He doesn't care. He doesn't give a s***. He's like, whatever. I'm just gonna try to get them out of thinking that that thing was cool.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Once they're done with that, I don't care what they fall into. But in slowly working us out of there, we're getting to where we should have been maybe way long ago.

Cristina: Yes. This makes sense.

Jack: Yes. And so the portals are less functional and less functional. And that's why over the years, we've had less creature sightings and less creature sightings, because little by little, it's just an extinguishment of creatures surviving off of fear.

Cristina: Also, more and more aliens, which makes sense because of the Chupacabra that we just talked about. Like, maybe there are still creatures.

Jack: Yes. Because the ones we're getting rid of them stuff are from here.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But the creatures that sensed that one major event are still on their way. And they're arriving at random times because they show they left from random places at random distances.

Cristina: Yes. That's so crazy.

Jack: And who knows how far they detected it. And they could still be coming.

Cristina: They couldn't. So we won't get rid of them super fast, but we're. We're Slowly getting rid of them.

Jack: Space Force makes sense to protect us from them. Yes. We need to contact. That makes perfect sense. This needs to be set up for when the really big scary s*** shows up. We're assuming that what we've seen is not because we know that stars are real. So what's the big scary s*** that's on the other side? That's kind of like a star?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: So we need Space Force really fast.

Cristina: We gotta still figure out this cat people thing.

Jack: Yeah. Cuz now we kind of need stars. Because there's probably some opposite thing. Of course, no amount of fear will ever bring that over.

Cristina: No, no, I don't think so.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Because if the great void isn't big enough, like what the f*** could be. Like that fear isn't it? All those stars feel horror.

Cristina: Unless it's in there as well.

Jack: Unless they don't feel anything or they don't feel emotions. The way that fear could happen, you know, like because they're other thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Like Jehovah of Light isn't like giving a s*** about fear. There's no emotion, doesn't care. It's like whatever. So fear is biological.

Cristina: What about all those other gods that seem to have emotions? Or are they not?

Jack: They're probably just creatures from Earth.

Cristina: Oh yes. Or Shadow Realm creatures.

Jack: No, Shadow Realm creatures don't have emotions. Oh well, you know what?

Cristina: It could be creatures on Earth. No, no.

Jack: Shadow Realm creatures could definitely have emotions. I just blanket statement that in a total guess. I don't know.

Cristina: But it could be creatures from Earth that had adrenochrome.

Jack: Yes, 100%. Because that also makes them godlike.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's a lot of weird things, man. So okay, anyways. Anyways. I think we grounded a lot of humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I think it worked out. And on that note, we're running out of time.

Cristina: So.

Jack: So definitely sounds way more accurate, right?

Cristina: I think so. I think it makes sense now. All of it.

Jack: All of it.

Cristina: So then there's something else. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, we solved it. We gotta look for Jehovah of Light, who's the one still around. And he's just highly disinterested because human affairs. But now it's not just human affairs because we can prove it's not. So this is not about convincing anybody. We were thinking we were chasing Akashita. And we're not chasing Akashita. We're looking for Jehovah of Light. His good Counterpart who was here all along.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We're looking for somebody, the people that the Westerners consider already a God. He's probably in the United States somewhere. North America.

Cristina: Santa Claus. Okay, I think we got it. We gotta talk to Santa Claus.

Jack: That's fair. That thing. But look, he's. No, I can't be. It doesn't sound like either of the gods we're talking about are that overpowered. It can't be. It can't be. It's too much. It's too strong. On the okay argument, you might be right with this next point. On the flip side, Jehovah of Dark's influence was very small. But Jehovah of Light again has been around for a long time. I also don't know why he would get stronger though. So unless we can prove that there's an equivalent of adrenochrome that he can use, that isn't what Akashita was using, which was blood and fear then doesn't check out. No.

Cristina: You talk about God or Santa Claus.

Jack: Yeah, he couldn't become that overpowered. I'm assuming there has to be something that powers up a God without it being or powers up a creature like adrenochrome without it being adrenochrome and not being fear based. That then allowed him to put level up to being Jehovah without interfering with humans. I mean not become Jehovah to become Santa Claus without otherwise. The Jehovah of Light we're talking about, which is some sort of cloud and Santa Claus cannot be the same thing because the power levels we're talking about are so colossally different. Unless he's like, yeah, I'm a drink their blood too. Which I doubt he does because all of that ended as soon as Jehovah of Dark is. Is missing. So it can't be. Doesn't check out. I think Santa Claus is just really some other Santa Claus doesn't mess with s*** either.

Cristina: That's so Jehovah Light though.

Jack: But he's also not a cloud. He doesn't chill in the clouds. In fact, it chills relatively low as compared to the clouds. He's pretty ground level, you know, just lower than the plane, actually.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: You don't see him so far away. He's like pretty close. He could like, wow, are those f****** reindeers I'm looking at. If he was at a plane's distance, even at a helicopter's distance, you wouldn't be able to make out s***. You're like, what the f*** am I Looking at. But no, he's so low. He looks like a flying car. Yeah, low flying plane.

Cristina: Whatever. We'll figure it out.

Jack: Yeah, he's nowhere near the height of a cloud on average.

Cristina: Yeah. Or we'll figure out how they're connected eventually.

Jack: Yeah. Maybe there is a power source. We do know that there's that other force that everything is connected to. AKA the force that everything is connected to. Maybe things on the other side aren't connected to that. Maybe things on this side are. And so they can somehow learn the feed off of that different ways. Because we know humans can. Humans can do things in weird ways and creatures can. And anything with powers is pulling from that source. So there must be a way to tap into that source because it's not adrenochrome and replicate that level of growth. Somehow in this instant, Jehovah of Light can siphon the energy becoming Santa Claus. We can prove that.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Then Jehovah of Light is Santa Claus.

Cristina: Alright, I hope we can. I hope we can.

Jack: Anyways, anyways. Anyways, anyways. You guys can find us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok at JustCar. Vote Pod.

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Jack: Type of liquor. Legume.

Cristina: Legume.

Jack: Legumes.

Cristina: Legions.

Jack: Legume.

Cristina: Legume. I don't know. Have ever. You. Have you ever heard someone say that word?

Jack: Like. No, I've never. Do you know how many words I know perfectly reading that I've never heard in my life?

Cristina: But how do you know you're reading them perfectly?

Jack: I don't. I'm hoping I'm doing it right.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I see so many things that sound wrong because of all the different. Like I can't position it properly because I've never heard it. And there's a million variants of sounds that I've heard in my life.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So I don't even know if I'm gonna say it with an accent or not. If I'm saying it for the first time because I have no point of reference.

Cristina: Yeah. So you could be wrong.

Jack: I could totally be wrong. A bunch of words have odd accents when I say them and it's because I've never heard them said.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

December 25, 2021

Rambling 155: Santa The One True God

December 25, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

What are Santa’s powers? How did he acquire them? How does he pull of the Christmas Day Miracles? On this Christmas special, the duo crack open the case of Santa’s true power level. Comparisons to the other deities are made, and the greatest of Gods is crowned, but who that turns out to be is someone no one expected!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Snowflake Patterns
Santa is a Genie
Elves are Fairies
The Shadow Realm
Is Santa a God?
What are Santa’s powers?
Omniscience
Santa’s Adrenochrome
God Wars
Santa The Genius
Immortality
Everything Shapeshifts
Capitalism

Our Links: Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new EP episodes are released.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. So be sure to find somebody, pull them nice and close, and get ready to listen to our holiday special.

Cristina: Ho, ho, ho.

Jack: It's Christmas.

Cristina: Look outside. It's raining. Oh, I mean, snowing, but I doubt it's snowing.

Jack: Is it Christmas, or is tomorrow Christmas?

Cristina: It's Christmas.

Jack: What? They. What's the wait? Yesterday was Christmas Eve.

Cristina: Yeah, yesterday.

Jack: So this weekend just lined up perfectly for everybody.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, they're Friday. They get to do whatever the f***, and then today is actual Christmas Day.

Cristina: Yes. Now they get to spend their Christmas Day listening to us.

Jack: That's fantastic.

Cristina: Like, who wouldn't want to do that?

Jack: What? Spend their Christmas Day listening to us?

Cristina: Yes. This is the greatest activity ever.

Jack: Yeah, man. What better thing to do than listen to the Just Conversation podcast as we ramble upon. As we ramble about Christmas, the holidays, our holiday episodes. That what this is.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We can talk about snow.

Cristina: We don't talk about snow.

Jack: We're gonna talk about.

Cristina: How do you even talk about snow?

Jack: Every snowflake is unique.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And that can't be. Can't be true. That can't be true. That needs to be at least two that were identical. There's too many snowflakes. I get that. The order in which it generates is random.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's what's truly random. But if you were to pick up two f****** snowflakes and, like, whatever. Two snowflakes. Look, they're most alike.

Cristina: A limited amount of patterns. Like.

Jack: Yes. There has to be, because there's. It's only so big, and it's being made out of the same particles.

Cristina: So.

Jack: Come on.

Cristina: Can't be infinite.

Jack: It can't be infinite. There needs to be a combination that isn't unique.

Jack: And these have happened several times by now.

Cristina: Yeah. See it, though. Who would know?

Jack: Yeah. But, like, factually.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If we were to calculate. Okay, right. Size. And for this size, there are this many different particles that make up the snowflake, and out of all these particles, this is how many different combinations exist. How many times in Nature. In a single storm, a single snowstorm, would that one snowflake. Like, how many different patterns exist? Right. How many different patterns can rearrange in a single snow? And after how long would we need for the pattern to repeat?

Cristina: I hope there's someone that worked on.

Jack: This, because this our project. We're just going to find out how. How much we got to do of everything.

Cristina: That is way too much work. We need an actual scientist to do that.

Jack: It will be hard, right, because you got to think of, like, okay, how many particles make up the snowflake? And then how many different arrangements can we make with the same particles? That's already complicated because there are billions, maybe trillions of particles. And then all the possible combinations.

Cristina: Yes. It's still. It's kind of infinite, isn't it?

Jack: It's kind of. Well, no, because it's. It's infinite by our understanding. But there's definitely a limit. We just couldn't comprehend it. Yeah, that's a reality of the matter. But it is definitely infinite. Without a question.

Cristina: But there has to be some that are similar to each other.

Jack: Yes. There has to be identical. We just couldn't find them because the. The probabilities are just not there. Yeah, but like, if we can get a genie and be like, if there are two identical snowflakes, put them in front of me.

Cristina: You want the genie to do that?

Jack: The genie would make it happen. He would show you the two identical, like, from throughout all of history. There are two identical snowflakes. Drought all of time showed me these two. And he will poof them in front of you and there will be two.

Cristina: Melt away.

Jack: No, he can preserve them or something. He just pulled him out of God knows where. Maybe he can just teleport me somewhere where they'll be sustained.

Cristina: What if he's a mean genie?

Jack: That'd be weird. But, like, would defeat the purpose of him bringing it in the first place. Yeah, and like, what a useless genie to have for an experiment.

Cristina: Yes. Okay, but this genie, then, will just have two perfect.

Jack: Yeah, he'd bring two completely, flawlessly perfect snowflakes that are identical, like 10 times.

Cristina: The size that they normally are. Unless you have the equipment to look at them.

Jack: Well, I'll both look at them. Small, and I have a genie. I can make them the size of buildings. I can see the nuances.

Cristina: Oh, okay. That's. Another wish.

Jack: Yeah, I can do a witch.

Cristina: Another wish.

Jack: Oh, another wish. Yeah, man, I. That makes sense.

Cristina: Yes. Yes.

Jack: That's what Christmas is about, right? Genies and snowflakes yes.

Cristina: Genies and snowflakes.

Jack: That's what Christmas is about. I don't give a f*** what anybody tells me. You could not convince me otherwise.

Cristina: I've never heard about a genie showing up in anything Christmas related, though.

Jack: Really?

Cristina: Really.

Jack: Okay, well, how does the genie function? You get him to show up. However, there's a couple of different ways. Some, you chant somebody rub a bottle and, like, jizzes out the genie. Right? So, however, there's ways to summon the genie. And then when the genie shows up, what do you do?

Cristina: He grants you three wishes.

Jack: Is it three? Sometimes it's just one.

Cristina: Maybe. Yeah.

Jack: You just ask for a thing. You ask him for a thing and he gives you the thing.

Cristina: Are you calling sad a genie?

Jack: What's the difference?

Cristina: I don't know. They don't.

Jack: How do you. How do you summon Santa? You gotta write to him, or you gotta make a wish in your head or out loud for what it is that you want, and then Santa grands your wish. Okay, fair enough. So it's a genie with rules.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Every genie has rules. Or you can wish for one thing. Can I wish for more wishes? No.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, he's a genie with rules.

Cristina: He's a genie with worlds.

Jack: Yeah, it sounds legit to me.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He's just a genie with rules.

Cristina: I did not think that. I was thinking it'd be. If he was any fictional thing. He'd have to be an elf.

Jack: He'd have to be an elf. What's the difference between being an elf? What? Why would he have to be an elf? Elves are tiny people.

Cristina: No, they're not. We mostly see them as tiny people.

Jack: Well, Arctic elves.

Cristina: You think there's a specific type of elf in the Arctic that are tiny?

Jack: Well, I actually do. I've done a little bit of homework on this particularly to find out, and I believe that there is a specific type. Okay, so first, fairies.

Cristina: That's exactly what I was thinking about. Fairies.

Jack: Well, yes, there's many different kinds of fairies.

Cristina: Exactly. They're all different sizes.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: Most of them are small. Yes.

Jack: But elves are a specific race of fairy.

Cristina: Yes, but I'm talking about Santa. If he was an elf or a fairy.

Jack: Well, he wouldn't be an elf. He'd be a fairy. Okay, but the elves are not. Santa Claus is not enough. There's no way.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: He's quite different.

Cristina: You know what he is?

Jack: Well, he's not an elf, okay? He's quite different than the elves, who are tiny and clearly phasing in and out. Through, arguably, the shadow realm.

Cristina: Man. That's exactly what I was thinking.

Jack: You were thinking that.

Cristina: Yes. I was thinking you brought up before about Jesus and what he was doing in Japan. I was thinking, like, why isn't. What if the North Pole? Is that where he lives, that factory? What if that's just a front? Not a front, but that's where a portal is to the other realm where all the elves come from.

Jack: Well, elves don't need a portal.

Cristina: They don't?

Jack: No, because they're fairies. Fairies are the only creature we know who can go in and out of the shadow realm without needing some sort of catalyst.

Cristina: Oh, but all the other creatures do.

Jack: Yeah. Oh, and all the other creatures need, specifically fear.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: While the opposite is true of Santa. Well, actually not. You can fear being bad. Santa's weird. We'll get to Santa. We'll get to Santa. But the elves themselves are clearly fairies because they can move through dimensions the way the fairies do that. And we don't. We don't know of anything that isn't a fairy that does that. We only know that fairies have that. So as of now, an elf is a fairy tale type of a gnome.

Cristina: Yeah. So they come from somewhere else, and then they come here to work.

Jack: Yeah. Well, I don't know if the fairies are from the shadow realm necessarily. I know they can go to the shadow realm.

Cristina: They come from a realm.

Jack: They come from somewhere. I mean, they'd have to come from a realm. There's no way. They didn't exist in a realm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But, like, Earth is a realm.

Cristina: Yeah. It has to be outside of Earth, I would think, because that's what we learned about fairies before, that they came from another realm.

Jack: They came from another realm. I know that. We kicked them out and we learned to travel through realms, but fairies came from another realm.

Cristina: Yeah, they came from somewhere else. They landed in Ireland. Really loved it. But then we got there.

Jack: That being said, only the ones that were in Ireland did we kick out. And we didn't send them to, like, the ether or anything. Just left the island.

Cristina: They probably went to the North Pole.

Jack: Well, no, because those were different fairies.

Cristina: Why are they different?

Jack: Because they're not elves. Elves are a type of fairy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And those are the ones in the Arctic.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: There are other fairies throughout the world.

Cristina: But how do we know which ones were kicked out from Ireland? Like, it could have been them. Why can't it have been them? I don't.

Jack: Because this already existed at that point.

Cristina: Oh, it did, really?

Jack: Sort of. Santa Claus and Saint Nicker Quite significant. Aren't they older than Saint Patrick's escapades of getting rid of. Or maybe not Saint Patrick's old as.

Cristina: Yeah. Yes. We found out that. That. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. But I don't. I doubt it's a. Because what you're saying at this point is that all the fairies are the same fairies, and then there isn't, like, races of fairies. There's just quite specifically a couple of fairies, and those have been the same fairies we've always been interacting with. And that doesn't make sense because they're not a life form of their own as much as are the specific anomaly that there are a few of.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't like that. That cannot be real. We've caught too many creatures from different things to be like, well, no, these are the only ones of them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No. And there's too many fairies everywhere.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's fairies showing up and causing mischief and children go missing. And this happens over here. That happens over there. The fairies didn't just go to the Arctic. That's a different group of. And they behave so differently. They aren't over there.

Cristina: The ones that are over there, they were born there. Know. Oh, there are.

Jack: They are there.

Cristina: Yes. But they're different.

Jack: They're different because we know they're not causing trouble like most fairies seem to be doing.

Cristina: Yeah, that's true. Okay.

Jack: There are definitely differences with elves and the rest of the fairies. I don't think they just left Ireland and went north. There's so many holes in that narrative.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now with Saint Nick, British. He was right.

Cristina: I have no idea.

Jack: Was he German? That's an interesting question. He's probably German. Okay, well, so St. Nick is older. Fair.

Cristina: You came before St. Patrick.

Jack: Yeah. Now, the question here is, is St. Nick and Santa Claus the same thing? Because it's possible these two are different individuals.

Cristina: They just do very similar things. Or I guess Saint.

Jack: They did not do very similar things at all. St. Nick was a guy.

Cristina: Yeah, he was a guy, but he.

Jack: Doing guy like things. And he was just generous.

Cristina: He was generous, but. Yeah. And how did that build Santa Claus? I guess they are very different people. Yeah.

Jack: I don't think one built the other. I think they were similar and they got confused. People maybe perhaps thought they were the same. Being Santa. Saint. People were like, okay, there's some similarities there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But St. Nick isn't Santa Claus because Klaus is. Klaus.

Cristina: Klaus. You know, okay.

Jack: Different name and everything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, we know saints have powers and s***, but when we're talking about Santa we're talking about some other s***. He's out there f****** with the likes of Zeus and Jehovah.

Cristina: So he's a God?

Jack: He's something like that.

Cristina: He's gotta be.

Jack: He's definitely in the ballpark of being kind of like a God because we. We just think of what it. When, like, Christians talk about a God, right? Omniscience is like the important thing. He knows everything. Saint. Not Saint Nick, but Santa Claus knows. Knows everything. Yeah, that is his defining characteristic. To the point that he actually knows more than Jehovah.

Cristina: But he knows, like, is there an age limit to this power?

Jack: He knows everything for everyone. For everyone.

Cristina: Not just children?

Jack: No, for everyone all the time.

Cristina: Oh, okay. The stories confuse me. And I'm thinking, like, there's a child specific age range that he watches over. He knows everything.

Jack: Just knows everything all the time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Even Jehovah, actually. Jehovah, Odin, Zeus, none of them have this ability. None of them are omniscient. No, they know a lot. But they can all be duped, they can all be tricked, they can all be betrayed and not see it coming.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Saint. I keep saying Saint Nick. That's how tangled they are. You get my point.

Cristina: Santa.

Jack: Santa Claus. Klaus. Santa Claus. He does know. You could not pull one on him. There's no way. Because he knows everything. Yeah, he's not necessarily all powerful, but he's all knowing. And that's overpowered. Even Jehovah isn't all powerful. Even Zeus isn't all. They're overpowered. Yeah, as compared to everything around them.

Cristina: But he's got to be more powerful than a normal human.

Jack: Yes, he's more powerful than normal human. And he's more powerful than an elf. Now, other than his omniscience, though, he seems to have abilities that make him come off kind of like just a creature, some sort of mythical creature, except he has this demigod esque omniscience, which is crazy. Like, people we call gods don't have this.

Cristina: But are the creature things.

Jack: Well, he has immortality, which. All the gods have this. Not necessarily all the fairies. We don't know if fairies are immortal or not. We know that thing. Creatures taking adrenochrome are.

Cristina: As long as they have it.

Jack: As long as they have it.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know if they. They probably still forever. They just. They're just feral. We don't really know, I guess.

Jack: Yeah, we don't really know. But okay, you become feral. We know that much.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because you could be a zombie and just be around Forever.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: That's the best example of what happens when there is no adrenochrome is the vampire zombie problem. Right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because you could still go on forever. It's in your blood.

Cristina: Mean you can still be killed. But if you're not, you can.

Jack: Well, then the argument is that maybe some of these wet judges and wendingos and all these creatures could be ancient because they've got the thing in their body that makes them immortal and they've gone feral. But it's not that there's many. It said there's the few running around.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But they're overpowered with time and feral, so particularly dangerous. And with mobs hunting them, they go and hide and live in areas where they can hunt creatures that nobody's going to know of.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Okay, now, immortality is definitely great, but gods have that, and anybody on adrenochrome seems to might have it. So there's nothing special with immortality.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And shape shifting seems to exist in again, all fairies.

Cristina: Everything. Yes.

Jack: Anything that has taken adrenochrome changes in some shape or form.

Cristina: Yeah. That we can't even tell what their true form is.

Jack: Yes. The difference with adrenochrome is that they. They sustain a shape. They don't shapeshift regularly. Rather, the adrenochrome creates a shifted shape and then they sustain that shape. Some of them have the ability to change forms. Not often.

Cristina: I guess vampires are really well at doing different shapes, though.

Jack: Yes. There's one.

Cristina: They're one of the advanced.

Jack: Yeah. There's. They're one of the few that has the actual ability to change or form things.

Cristina: Is just one thing.

Jack: Yeah. They change to this new thing and that's it. But there is definitely shape shifting. That's how he can make his body anomalous and fit through areas that should be impossible.

Cristina: Yeah. Like chimneys.

Jack: Yeah. Like being other ways. Or an octopus. That they. Their body is structured in such a way that they can change their shape to fit through where they need to go.

Cristina: Yeah. I wonder if he ever turns into a mouse, though. That's interesting.

Jack: Could be.

Cristina: That's a nice.

Jack: But also, it might just be that he doesn't take the shape of a thing as much as he loses his own shape and then fits through anything. It would be like becoming gas.

Cristina: Yes. Like one of those mist monsters.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: We're killing babies.

Jack: We know he can go through things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And sustain his shape, but we don't know if he can take another shape.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So he shape shifts, but he doesn't reform as anything other than himself as far as we know.

Cristina: And no one's ever seen it.

Jack: And if they we have, would we know?

Cristina: What do we know? Yeah, exactly. Okay.

Jack: Then he also has again here we're entering a little bit of God territory versus because we don't know of many creatures, if any that couldn't already fly, that could fly. Like we don't know if adrenochrome giving some creature the ability to fly. But fairies, a bunch of them could fly.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And gods can fly.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Some of them. I don't think Zeus could fly. I think Jehovah can entirely sure. Odin also couldn't fly. They had methods of doing it.

Cristina: I think there was a specific creature in South America that could fly. That was like a chicken snake thing.

Jack: Yes, I remember that.

Cristina: Yeah. So it's. It's super random what could fly. But yeah.

Jack: Yeah. That was weird. I remember what you were talking about. Was it in Africa or was it in the Amazon or something like that? Like in Brazil where there was a snake that grew wings or some s***.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. Somewhere.

Jack: So yeah, we know. Not often does that happen.

Cristina: No. So he very often for gods and fairies.

Jack: Yes. So that kind of aims in that direction. But then we come to the real, real problem. The omniscience. That's crazy. I couldn't tell you any other thing that knew everything. Couldn't name you one.

Cristina: Well, where would that type of power come from? Or I guess that would be the God power. That would be the God power.

Jack: That means he has God powers. He is a demigod. Bare minimum.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He's not the. I don't believe the omniscient God that is all knowing, all powerful, all everything.

Cristina: No, he just has one of the big things.

Jack: Like I don't think that biggest of things exists.

Cristina: No.

Jack: But there is definitely demigod, demigods.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it's. It seems like Santa might be not just a demigod but like one of the way overpowered ones to the point that he sounds like bullshit.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like Zeus versus Santa. Zeus will put up a harder fight. But also you'd have to out think a guy who knows everything you'll ever do.

Cristina: That's really unfair.

Jack: That's one sided as f***. Now here's actually the question because his omniscience is present. So then is it omniscient or is this just all knowing of the moment? All knowing of the moment because does he know if you'll do something bad?

Cristina: No.

Jack: That you do something bad?

Cristina: It's that it's at the moment. It has to be at the moment.

Jack: So it's not omniscience.

Cristina: No. Then what is it? It's something like that.

Jack: It's close. Yeah, we know Zeus doesn't have it.

Cristina: No. But he definitely knows it's just the moment because he has to be watching all year round.

Jack: Well, he's always watching.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He could see everything all the time. That's really what's happening.

Cristina: The illusion that he knows everything. But he doesn't.

Jack: He doesn't. He's learning it as it's happening. But he sees everything. So he knows everything that has happened and everything that is currently happening, but he has no access to what will happen.

Cristina: Yep. And he's not trying to predict it or anything. He's just waiting patiently.

Jack: Yes. Now, under that case, he would get laid out by Zeus.

Jack: Because he couldn't predict Zeus.

Cristina: No. Okay. Yes. I guess now, because he. He.

Jack: So it's not. Because it's not omniscience.

Cristina: Yeah. It is not gonna know.

Jack: Some sort of extreme sight.

Cristina: Yes. His ability to know anything like that, though.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I couldn't tell you of something that sees everything all the time forever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Even if it's just in the presence, like, get the f*** out of here.

Cristina: And then I'm pretty sure there are gods that see things, but it's usually like the future. It's always visions of the future.

Jack: And it's always a specific event, too. It's not like they see all the future all the time.

Cristina: Yes, that's true. Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: It seems like omniscience might be the least likely of all the abilities that we attribute to God's having.

Cristina: That's true. But this is the closest.

Jack: He's the closest. He's the closest out of any single thing to know everything.

Cristina: Well. Well.

Jack: So what we have here is the.

Cristina: Case of God Like.

Jack: Yes. What we have here is the case of some demigod who's working with fairies. And these fairies themselves are quite unique. Again, they can move in and out of the. The Shadow Realm. I might. My guess on how everyone in the planet all at once gets gifts simultaneously.

Cristina: Has more to do with the elves.

Jack: Has more to do with the elves because we know Santa still has to travel.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He's like the rest of the demigods that he has to get to a place he can only. Like Jehovah. Never went outside of his area. It's too far. He doesn't just show up somewhere else. Never happened that way. He had workers to do it. We call them Angels.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Messengers to go. The elves are the same thing.

Cristina: They pop up.

Jack: Yeah. Doesn't Zeus have, like, harpies and s***?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's the same idea. It's these creatures that are going to deliver the small messages for you, and you'll do the heavy lifting, but they can do something that probably Santa can't do himself, which is enter the shadow realm effortlessly.

Cristina: But you think he's still going to house to house? Like some houses? He might not be doing all the houses.

Jack: I don't know. If he's going to any house, then.

Cristina: He might not have the transformation power.

Jack: Again, I don't know. I don't know if he's going to any house.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But I can tell you that it makes sense for the elves to be the ones delivering the gifts and there to be.

Cristina: Because they could just go in and out.

Jack: Yeah. And there could be a f*** ton of them. And we know that fairies can change your shape.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So they can get there how? They need to drop the gift off and dissipate.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Alternatively. Which then takes us to some overpowered thing. If it isn't the elves that are helping Santa with a gift given. With the gift giving, then he is.

Cristina: Simultaneously everywhere, Time traveling or something like the Flash. I don't know.

Jack: He could be. It could be stop time, do everything. But then to him, that looks like an infinity. You got to get to every home at a normal traveling pace. Even if you're moving faster, you know how long it would take to travel. Like, it couldn't be. It doesn't make sense. He has to be able. If he's the one delivering it. Right. This is why it's likely it's the elves. Because if he's the one delivering it, not only does he have to be everywhere all at once, but he has to be consciously functional everywhere all at once, controlling all versions of him in the distinct environments they're all in. Choosing and moving appropriately and still being one conscious mind. Hard to wrap my head around that.

Cristina: Yeah. And he couldn't be just traveling quickly.

Jack: To one place to the next unless he's stopping time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He's blinking from home to home. But how fast is he blinking from home to home? And how is that any different than being everywhere all at once?

Cristina: Yeah. That is too much work.

Jack: Yeah. So either he has an army, or if he can. Or he can be everywhere all at once.

Cristina: But then that's something else.

Jack: If he can be everywhere all at once. We're dealing with something so much more powerful than the closest next Thing if.

Cristina: He could be everywhere all at once. That's really complicated.

Jack: And every single version, every replica is him, purely him. And has all his powers at all the same degree. Because he needs that to do the things. Yeah, that's hardcore.

Cristina: Oh, I don't know if this is a power. I just remember though that everyone like we see him as a white dude, but he. He actually appears to children the way.

Jack: They would see him as interesting. Got that Jesus factor going on.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Where if you're dark skinned, Jesus is dark. If you're light skinned, Jesus is white.

Cristina: Well, Santa has that ability. I don't know how that fits into this, but I remember that. I think that's something that fits with the transformation, I guess.

Jack: You think?

Cristina: Because he could look like anyone you like if a child sees him. I guess I don't know if children actually see him.

Jack: That's the. I'm pretty sure that's their parents plan.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because like the whole point is he's not being seen and he knows enough to not get seen. Yeah, yeah.

Cristina: He can't. No. He doesn't know the future though. Like there has to be one child.

Jack: No, no, no. Here's where the problem that you're discussing comes in. He knows everything that is happening.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Right. So as soon as the kid gets off of the bed.

Cristina: He knows.

Jack: He knows.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So you can.

Jack: He didn't know the kid was gonna get off the bed. But once the kid is off the bed, he knows the kid is off the bed and he's gonna could poof out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You can't catch him off guard. It's impossible to catch him off guard because he knows everything that's actively taking place. He's not in your head. But he knows when to move.

Cristina: Yeah. So he can get out of the room before you.

Jack: Before you know anything happened.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, okay.

Jack: Brings up some problems, you see.

Cristina: Yeah. So there's no way.

Jack: No way he's never been seen. Not without wanting to show himself. Unless it wasn't him.

Cristina: It probably wasn't him.

Jack: Yeah. Probably wasn't him.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And maybe the shape shifting fairies, just in case they do get spotted, take the form of boss.

Cristina: I'm wondering if there's even a boss now.

Jack: If it's just an organization of fairies.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because it sounds like bullshit. Right. He's too overpowered.

Cristina: It's too much.

Jack: He's more God than all the gods arguably put together.

Cristina: I would feel like some God would want to fight him especially.

Jack: It would be too one sided. It would be too one Sided. The only thing he has no access to is what's in your mind and the future.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Actually, maybe he knows what's in your mind. We don't know.

Cristina: We don't know.

Jack: We don't know. If you thought it, he might know.

Cristina: He might. You know, it's too much.

Jack: It's overpowered. So he could be the strongest, most exaggerated God looming over Earth. And he's the farthest from people as well.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Which, fair enough. That would kind of work perfectly into the whole idea that he is a God. If he was local and that overpowered to be like, okay, yeah, bullshit. But the fact that he's not hanging out with humans. He's not hanging out with gods. He's just soloing that s***. He's got elves, cuz. Like, whatever, dude.

Cristina: Yeah. And like, gods all live in their own specific area above, like, the country that they're ruling. He doesn't want to rule over people.

Jack: It's insignificant to him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's more godlike.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So he's detached, huh?

Cristina: Yes. Except for this one job, which. Is it important to him? Is this a curse that was put onto him? What's going on?

Jack: I don't know. I do not know. But we do know that a lot of creatures, mainly gods, rely on fear. And maybe this one day of the year. Okay, let's look at it like this. Right? Jehovah, Zeus, all these other gods, they do their things.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They're consistently getting fuel, but they're always doing s***. They're wasting their energy. They're always doing something. Meanwhile, God performs a single day. Maybe that has enough fear.

Cristina: There, you said God.

Jack: I mean. Yeah, I guess.

Cristina: God.

Jack: Santa.

Cristina: Santa, God.

Jack: Santa, God.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Works one day.

Cristina: One day.

Jack: I mean, that generates enough joy or fear. Fear through the planet because you're fearing whether you were good or bad.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The fear of being bad and not getting anything is what he's looking for.

Cristina: That's the situation right before the gift.

Jack: Yes. Or the monthly.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: There's a process there.

Cristina: He's.

Jack: He's got it down. Packed so hard, he might have people worrying the whole year whether they were good enough.

Cristina: Yes, that's true.

Jack: He figured out the system. He's outsmarting every God.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's like I do something once in a blue.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the closer it gets to the point, the more it's generated. Now, what you were talking about earlier is, is there a cutoff age? Yeah, I don't think there's a cutoff age. I think there's A design feature here that makes absolute perfect sense. Where is the strongest adrenochrome and children. Who has the potentiality to fear the most? Fear.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

Jack: And if you get the parents to do this for you, put the fear in them, then you didn't even have to be there. You did zero work and got 100% of the adrenochrome.

Cristina: That's crazy. It actually works. Wow. He's some kind of adrenochrome God monster.

Jack: Yeah. Even if it's not adrenochrome, he's generating crap. Tons of fear.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Without doing anything. He did the work long ago. Before these other baby gods were born.

Cristina: Yes. He somehow got to the kids before them.

Jack: Yeah. Jehovah's over here. Like, I'm gonna take your firstborn in the neighborhood.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, my God. First born, the neighborhood.

Cristina: This guy goes around the world.

Jack: He's got the planet shook. And they're closer to the day, the more shook the planet is. And adults get over it because they're like, you know, he's not out here. Murder. He doesn't need to. Because there's enough collective child fear, which is enough concentrated adrenaline.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That he still gets what he needs. Probably too much left over, but for.

Cristina: A whole year, like, he has to lie.

Jack: He's just one person. Think of the other gods that do it in a small, tiny region and can function off of it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's 8 billion people.

Cristina: Mm. That's interesting. Yes.

Jack: He's. He's trumped this s***. How many people exist in Greece?

Cristina: But I wonder, when it comes to adrenochrome and the gods, like, do they not bother him? Because they also get that fear too.

Jack: No. They would do anything to him.

Cristina: How did they divide?

Jack: There's no dividing. They couldn't do anything to him.

Cristina: They couldn't do anything.

Jack: Nothing they could do to fight this man.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He knows that you're attacking.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He could just. He can teleport any. Zeus has to get to where he's going.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Jehovah has to get to where he's going. Odin. That. The guy needs a carriage to get where he's going.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Santa could just be there.

Cristina: But he has the sleigh he travels to. Or that's not.

Jack: I think that's for sure. I think that's mocking. Probably Odin. Oh, I think he's just mocking Odin.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Because he could be. What does he need the sleigh for? He could just pop up everywhere all the same time. Who gives a s*** about a Sleigh.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's just Mai's trolling.

Cristina: Yes. So no flying reindeers.

Jack: That's probably not a thing. There's a bunch of parts of these stories that are mythology that was invented by people rather than the truth of the matter.

Cristina: Okay. It's hard to see which part fits and which doesn't.

Jack: Yeah, we know. He's got like, how many people exist In Greece, right. 300,000 at the time that Zeus began his charade. And now a couple million, maybe. What's a couple of million to eight f****** billion?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Where's Jehovah? Messing around? Israel. Well, great. Phenomenal, bruh. Israel when he began. Now he's, you know, he's expanded and he's in more places, but the same people he's affecting are also. Santa's also taking some of that.

Cristina: Yeah, he's taking everyone's.

Jack: He's taking everybody's. Everything. He's every. He got. He did it. He figured it out.

Cristina: Even got people who aren't religious.

Jack: Well, yeah, 100%.

Cristina: He's just child friendly.

Jack: He's the God who an atheist worships.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Holy. He figured out the system. Other gods are like, worship me. This guy's like, you don't have to do anything.

Cristina: No.

Jack: You know, it's just a fun game. Tell your children.

Cristina: And the first time he did it, he probably didn't say anything. Kids just got what they got. And then that created the fear.

Jack: Yes. Because it's like he made sure to not give some to the kids who were bad, even if the kid was.

Cristina: Cold or whatever it's supposed to be.

Jack: Exactly, exactly. So even if they were good, he had to pick at least, bare minimum, one who was the worst. Even if they were all saints. He had to be like, well, you stepped on a roach or something. Got to pick somebody.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then he gave that kid the thing.

Cristina: Yeah. Like he's telling us what exactly gets us to the naughty or nice.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. Anyway, he's just like, you messed up, so try better next time and I'll give you a gift. And then the other kids are like, whoa, whoa, hold up, hold up. We all got gifts. Well. And then they come up with the reason themselves. Right. Trying to rationalize it. Oh, well, this is what he did. It must have been that.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: This is what he meant by naughty.

Cristina: Yeah. And then, because we have no idea.

Jack: We have no clue what he's using to measure. There's nothing. Nothing exists. We're just. It's all projection.

Cristina: Yes. And that's what makes us so Worried in the end of the year because we have no idea.

Jack: This is the most genius part of this is if you leave a person to assume, they're going to assume the worst. It's the human anxiety. He didn't tell us what to fear.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Zeus f***** up. Jehovah f***** up. Odin f***** up. All the gods f***** up. They're like, don't do this thing. You don't do that thing. You're good.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Santa didn't specify s***. He's like, don't be bad. Well, everybody has a different moral compass. Holy crap.

Cristina: Like, what does that even mean?

Jack: So general.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He basically astrology the s*** out of Earth.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He's like, well, you're gonna do something good, you're gonna do something bad. Make sure that bad isn't so bad that it deserves to be punished. Like, what?

Cristina: What?

Jack: Wait, where does the bad bar begin? It's just bad. Wait, is the dirty thought bad?

Cristina: It could be if.

Jack: If I accidentally. Like, there's laws. What if I took a turn by accident because I didn't see that it said don't turn on red.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's a lie. Broke a law. Is that bad? Like, the number of crap that an individual could just think is bad, and.

Cristina: All he has to do is like, it. He doesn't even need to know now. Does it matter if we're. He knows if we're naughty or nice. Maybe he doesn't, because at this point, it doesn't matter.

Jack: He could give everybody gifts. He probably. This is why nobody gets coal anymore. Because it doesn't matter. There's like, oh, my God, I passed. I passed. Yeah, I did. Good enough. And then you're still gonna panic the rest of the year leading up to the next time. Am I gonna get something? Which is interesting, because the strongest push and this fat. This is fascinating right here. What all the other gods suggest. You move away from materialism and commit spiritually to them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Except for Santa needs materialism to be rampant.

Cristina: He's depending on. Yes.

Jack: He's depending on human addiction to stuff.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then he capitalizes on the fear of not getting stuff.

Cristina: Mm. That is so crazy.

Jack: He did everything opposite. He did not tell you the rules of the game. All the other gods did. He made sure to support capitalism way in there.

Cristina: He said to be naughty or nice. We don't even know. Maybe he doesn't know whether we're naughty or nice. He might not know.

Jack: He might not know s***. But whatever the case is, the other gods aren't f****** with him.

Cristina: Yeah. I mean, he's still a demigod for sure.

Jack: He's quite arguably. I think he does. Because whatever, man. That's. It's so complicated. Right. Because we don't know if he does know, but we know he hasn't been dealt with. Which some. That means something about him is so op that some other God hasn't off them and taken the post.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because that would be the logical step. Let me just get rid of them. Then I can ride this train. But that hasn't happened. So something about Santa is too overpowered.

Cristina: So it has to be that. Or like. That's the most likely.

Jack: That's the most likely. But if that's not the case. There is something going on.

Cristina: Something. Yeah.

Jack: That is sustain cemented. This creature, this demigod, as arguably the most powerful demigod.

Cristina: That's so crazy. Yeah. What? He is the most powerful demigod.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Whoa. And we don't even know what he could do.

Jack: We have no clue. We have no clue. That's another part. Because the question is, then, do the other gods know what he could do? Is the fear that they don't know?

Cristina: That they don't know.

Jack: That they don't know. He could, in theory be weaker than all. He's clearly cunning.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Quite genius.

Cristina: I mean, just telling us to be naughty. I mean, not to be naughty. But not telling us how he broke.

Jack: Every system all these other guys came up with.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We're talking Jehovah and Zeus predate the crap out of this guy. He showed up and just did it. Did it. This is how you do it. P******. You know what you're doing. This is how you do it. What?

Cristina: I don't know. So he might not be stronger.

Jack: Not be. He's so smart. They have no idea, though. He's. If he's got no ability, if he's not a super mega ultra demigod, to the great that he seems to be.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He can definitely play the part.

Cristina: He can, man. He's got to be a demigod, though.

Jack: He has to be.

Cristina: That has to be the only way that's stopping him from being killed off.

Jack: This is. This is where I stand. Right. There's no freaking way. There's no way in h*** this thing came up and he wasn't at some point challenged by Zeus. That did not happen. I refuse to believe it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Zeus was the very first one to be like, imma f*** you up and lost. And that flagged every other.

Cristina: But I'm like, I don't know if God himself or, I don't know, the Christian God. Yeah, but Christians themselves try to fight Santa.

Jack: Yeah, but they don't fight him.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Ideologically arguing, it doesn't matter because all this is push forward the narrative even more.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: Everything you do helps them.

Cristina: Yes, everything.

Jack: So when it comes to the gods, I. There's everybody. He challenges everybody. Zeus is egomaniac. He sees Santa coming up, he's like, I'm the king here. And then Santa gets all exaggerated and he's like, no, I'm gonna fight you. But then Zeus losing the fight is what told everybody else. F***. Well, s***, we ain't f****** with him.

Cristina: Wanna fight?

Jack: Yeah. Cuz who's. No matter what, it doesn't matter who else challenged Santa.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Zeus is stronger. So Zeus is the only person Santa would have to beat to tame the f*** out of everybody else.

Cristina: But he also has a smart. So is it possible that a God with a brain could have challenged him and like, I don't know, like some kind of chess. Godlike chess game?

Jack: Okay. The argument would be that it would have to be not. When I say Zeus's power, I don't literally mean like stronger or I can hit you with more lightning or anything.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In combat of some sort.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He lost.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so if there is a God who's stronger and he's the one who challenged. And not stronger, but smarter. He's the one who challenged Santa and then Zeus didn't challenge Santa, it's because whatever God challenged Santa and lost is already smarter than Zeus is strong.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So basically whoever the top dog is challenged Santa because they usually challenge everybody else to maintain dominance.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then lost. There's also no example of any God that rules over the planet other than Santa.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Everybody's regional.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Except Santa.

Cristina: That's very, very true. Like there's some that gotten close, but not.

Jack: Jehovah has a huge reach. He began small and kept expanding and kept expanding and kept expanding. But for the vast majority of most of his work, when he was establishing his Word. Yeah, those all focus in one place.

Cristina: But that's a different. Wait, but you talk about Jehovah from Judaism or Christianity.

Jack: Same guy.

Cristina: They're the same guy.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I don't know if they're the same guy. I think of them as two different guys.

Jack: Oh, it's possible there is two different gods there, but we're talking about the same abilities for the most part. It's possible we're talking about twins. In that case, two demigods who were Twins. One is the crooked and one is not. And it's also a possibility that the story of Cain and Abel never happened. And that was a narrative about those two gods in their young days.

Cristina: Yeah. That might be it. I don't think the one God killed the other. I think one just stayed there while the other spread out everywhere else.

Jack: Could be. Yes, that's totally possible.

Cristina: And that's. But who knows?

Jack: Yeah, that's a very likely probability.

Cristina: Interesting. But Santa is the most powerful as far as we can.

Jack: He seems to be the most overpowered God of all the gods.

Cristina: Yes. That's so crazy.

Jack: It is pretty crazy. And the fact that he uses business to do it. He relies on capitalism and materialism.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To create fear. So indirectly, it's genius. Like, I'm end your life. No, he's the guy who create. He's basically a mosquito. Right?

Cristina: He's a mosquito.

Jack: Not even. Not even mosquito. He's a fruit fly. Think about a fruit fly. Right. There's nothing to fear about a fruit fly.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But that tiny little bit of effect it does have is so annoying that it makes you behave accordingly. So it gets your ear and, like, it's not harming you.

Cristina: No.

Jack: It's just persistent enough that you will act on it, though it's insignificant. It will affect nothing in your life if you just ignore it. Yeah, but it's persistent enough that you couldn't ignore it even if you want to.

Cristina: He's like a fruit fly.

Jack: He's like a fruit fly.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He's not forcing anything down your throat. We don't have to believe him if you don't want. He does not give a flying f***. He's not like, you got to worship me or believe him. He never did any of that. He didn't get anybody to write scriptures. He didn't care.

Cristina: No.

Jack: His plan was too solid just by not forcing it. Because if I try to force something on you, you're more likely to reject it because it's not your will.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But if I give you the option that you're more willing. You can believe in me if you want. I don't. You, in fact, don't believe in me. It's totally fine. Wait. No, no, no. But I like stuff.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You choose.

Cristina: That's so crazy.

Jack: It's genius. It's so genius. He's so far above the next best thing.

Cristina: Mm. He's the best thing. Wow.

Jack: And it really comes down to the one. The one question, which is, are there elves? If there are no elves, he is.

Cristina: Too overpowered Are there elves if there's no elves?

Jack: No. Are there elves if there's no elves, he's overpowered.

Cristina: Oh, okay. If there's no elf, if he's doing it by himself.

Jack: If he's doing it by himself, we know clearly why no God touches this guy. It's too one sided. They don't even know how he exists. Everywhere all at once, know everything all at the same time. How do you win?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: If he does have an army of elves that can get the job done. There are f*** tons of them. You don't need too much either. You can think some households have upwards of seven people.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: There are 8 billion people on earth. You had. If just one elf could hit four houses, you've drastically reduced the number of elves you need. You don't need billions of elves. You know, you can in fact bring this down to. If one elf can move quickly enough and in the time span of one hour hit 20 homes, then you subtract the number of houses by home by the number of elves. You, you have a couple of million elves doing work.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And assuming some of these elves, I.

Cristina: Don'T think it's a one hour job either. It's like eight hours I think.

Jack: Assume that some of these elves have the ability to self replicate or teleport from one spot to another. I'll teleport then you have a lot of things going on.

Cristina: Teleportation related to the shadow realm. Okay.

Jack: They can disappear in the shadow realm while inside your house. Take the shortcut in the shadow realm, which would be a second to them. If they understand the shadow room well enough, rephase in and they're in the next house. And this could be house after house after house. Five seconds here, five seconds there, five seconds there, five seconds there, five seconds there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Before long you knocked out a lot and you weren't even doing much.

Cristina: No. Yeah. You're just pretty much walking the whole time.

Jack: And if your presence are in the shadow realm, then you rephase with them already. You don't have to grab anything. You're just there with it, disappear. Grab the thing, bring pop the next place, drop it there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If there are elves.

Cristina: But there's no way to know.

Jack: There's no way to know. There's two. There's so much. He's too mysterious. At least the other gods have scripture. They are narcissists. They talk about themselves all the time. I think the difference here is that Santa Claus Claus. Santa Claus isn't a narcissist. He didn't make it about him. No, he made it about the stuff.

Cristina: That's why he's so above. He's just too smart.

Jack: Yeah, He's. He's playing 4D chess.

Cristina: Yes, that's exactly what's happening. But are there elves? That's the question.

Jack: That's the truly deciding question. If there are elves, then he has a couple of notches down. And maybe the all knowing is the reason that the other gods don't mess with them. But if there are no elves. Oh, and we just made up the. We threw the elves in there just to try to cope with how is it getting done?

Cristina: Yeah, but like.

Jack: And they don't exist. S***.

Cristina: S***.

Jack: First. First, you know everything that's overpowered. Second, you could be everywhere that's overpowered. But the third suggestion is the craziest one. You could just manifest s***.

Cristina: Yes, you could just.

Jack: Holy crap.

Cristina: I don't even know what God's f****** with you. Yeah.

Jack: Could you in theory just manifest the thing that would end that God?

Cristina: How?

Jack: What's the extent of your power?

Cristina: That's true. Oh, crap. What if that is happening? If no elves.

Jack: Right, if no elves. That's the case. If there are no elves, there is nothing more op. And we're talking by like, if he's at a hundred, the next best is like two.

Cristina: He reminds me of Deadpool. It's just like too powerful.

Jack: Yes. He's like, Deadpool is so overpowered. Like, how do you.

Cristina: How do you.

Jack: How's your. How are your abilities a thing?

Cristina: Yeah, it's almost the opposite of Deadpool's ability, isn't it? Of him bringing things into this reality. Deadpool just somehow leaves his own reality in a way.

Jack: Deadpool's complicated. He could just walk out of a panel.

Cristina: Yeah, so.

Jack: But he could also manifest random crap. Oh, a good example is when he was hanging out with Spider man and he pulled out a rocket launcher from his pocket. Like, this is just something Deadpool can casually do.

Cristina: So we know it's possible.

Jack: We know it's possible.

Cristina: Yeah, but he's a character.

Jack: Yeah, Deadpool's not real, but Santa is arguably real.

Cristina: And he having that power, that's just. That's too much.

Jack: You don't even need to know everything if that's your one trick. But the problem is if no elves and everything else must be true, but if somehow we can make it so that there's no elves and all your other powers don't count, your one and only power is manifesting whatever the h*** you want?

Cristina: I was. Still think he would need to know something about the child, though.

Jack: Well, no, I'm. I'm just talking about the power. I'm no longer talking about Santa Claus.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I'm saying if just this one power, minus everything else. He's not even delivering gifts anymore. You can just manifest whatever. You are still untouchable.

Cristina: Yeah. That sounds like the God that every God claims to be.

Jack: Yes, it's quite possible that Santa is the closest thing because he can make anything happen whenever he wants, in any location he wants and knows whatever, and he can personally be wherever that is. The closest thing is the closest thing to the perfect God all the other gods claim to be.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Not one of them has any part of that.

Cristina: They just lie about it pretty much.

Jack: While Santa has all the factors.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: All knowing. Jehovah doesn't have it, Odin doesn't have it. Zeus doesn't have it. None of the Hindu gods have it. None of them have the ability. You can trick them. You can lie to them, be everywhere. None of them. None of them. They are all bound to where they are. And their ideologies must travel because they cannot.

Cristina: Mm. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Manifest. Just stuff out of nowhere. No, these gods are screwed. Following rules and junk. Otherwise they would just manifest a message in a letter in front of you. Now they gotta send somebody together. There. There's. There's leaps and bounds of superiority.

Cristina: Now you're saying he is the God man.

Jack: I began where he wasn't, but, like.

Cristina: It'S now he might be.

Jack: If there are no elves.

Cristina: If there are. No.

Jack: If there are no elves. If there are elves and they are the ones delivering and it isn't Santa. He's sort of the ringleader. And also the fairies are probably benefiting off of the adrenochrome somehow, or at least the fear. He somehow figured out how to give the fear. Because there's no blood.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So he's optimized fear and somehow the fairies are also getting something from it.

Cristina: Yes. That's what makes me think if they're real, he's not real. Like, maybe they're surviving off the stories and they're the ones.

Jack: Here's the thing. They don't need it.

Cristina: The adrenaline.

Jack: Fear. They don't need fear. Fairies can just go in and out of the shadow realm. Yeah, there is. There is one possibility. Because the thing is, gods do need the fear. Yes, that would make sense. That fits with Santa.

Cristina: Yes, that makes sense. Yeah.

Jack: Now there's no Santa. Then what's the next Option. They're not fairies.

Cristina: What are they?

Jack: They are creatures from the shadow realm. And some guy, probably St. Nick, inevitably got a ball rolling that he didn't even know he got rolling. He was like, well, you don't worship God and you're being rude to the other kids, so this year, I'm not going to. But if next year you make your behavior better, then I will personally give you a gift.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To commemorate that you've become better and you've followed the Christian path.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then that little bit of fear allowed at least one of these creatures to capitalize. And they say, oh, s***, hold on. Wait. How am I on this side? What's causing it? Okay, the kids are scared to not get stuff. And that allowed me whatever creature I might be to manifest because there's just enough for me. If I can Cap, maybe all my people can come here.

Cristina: Yes. What?

Jack: So if not Santa Claus, then it could be the story of how an entire race of creatures.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: From the shadow realm have established their home in the Arctic.

Cristina: That is so crazy. I could totally be it too. They don't really need anything. They just need that story. And then they survive off of that story.

Jack: Every year.

Cristina: Every year.

Jack: Although they do have to actually do the work on that day.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: Because it needs to self perpetuate. So I need to do something to keep the narrative moving forward.

Cristina: Do they need to know everything about the child? No, they just need gifts.

Jack: Yeah. They somehow, again, nobody's getting hurt. I'm sure that if no Santa Claus and at least the creature that came through got in contact with same neck. And he's like, maybe we can work together. We're not. We promise you will not harm anything. We're gonna do it your way. But this might get us out of whatever hellhole we already live in.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We'll go when we'll bother. Nobody will disappear. We just help us. You help us, we help you. Everybody wins. Everybody's gonna be a good person. Everybody wants stuff. We can make stuff. We can manifest stuff. It doesn't matter. We don't care about stuff. Stuff doesn't matter to us. Just a lot of us just let us escape the hellhole that is a shadow realm with your help. They just need to fear a little.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Little.

Cristina: And they stay here.

Jack: Yeah. We could stay here. And you'll have people following your Christian God. Because there'll be fear. They want to do the good thing. And inevitably, in this case, Zeus and Odin and the gods from India and all these gods from every other possible Location benefit a little too. Because they just need a little. Yeah, A little for each. And then they can manifest and stay. And it's so self perpetuating that they can just live here.

Cristina: Now that is interesting. They must be really small or something. Like they really don't need any. They or they need a little bit just to be here all year. That's interesting.

Jack: So I guess those are two options.

Cristina: Either they could be the fruit flies.

Jack: Yeah. If no elves, then op Santa, then God.

Cristina: Santa.

Jack: Yeah, actual. Actual God. Not demi, just God. Actual God, like likely created everything Santa. If that's not the case, then elves and then some mix between the two are what's doing everything. But if no Santa, then clever collaboration between St. Nick and some sort of creature from the shadow realm that we're not familiar with. And if that's the case, I don't like that we don't know about a creature from the shadow realm. And we should definitely investigate.

Cristina: Yes, yes. Okay. I don't know how. I mean, we know where they live.

Jack: Just go to the Arctic, go to the North Pole, find that s***.

Cristina: Yes. And we know that they're not dangerous. We know they have night, but we don't know. Like if you go into their territory, it's a whole different story because they can't.

Jack: It can't be proven that they exist. Part of it is the mystery. So chances are whatever goes there doesn't come back. But don't worry, they might have an army.

Cristina: We have an army too. Okay. Yeah. So it'll take our.

Jack: This is what it is. We'll figure it out.

Cristina: Okay, that's crazy.

Jack: Obviously I don't want to get over there and find out that. But if Santa Claus is up, he also doesn't care. He'll be like, whatever, dude. Like, yeah, I'm real. Yeah, tell people.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess like that would just help him.

Jack: So it doesn't matter if just whatever creatures is there. They don't want us to find out.

Cristina: No.

Jack: But if Santa Claus is there, whether with elves or without, you don't give a crap. He's like, yeah, let him come in, it's fine.

Cristina: Ah, interesting.

Jack: It's fine. Let them. Once they leave, they'll tell. Do they want to take pictures? I'm right here. Let everybody know.

Cristina: Yes, I want to take a selfie with Santa.

Jack: Yeah, probably don't give a crap. That's why he loves people imitating him. Every other God is like, don't follow false prophets. Santa's like, s***, let people put him in every mall. F*** It.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Convince everybody early.

Cristina: That's so crazy. It works for him. Everything that every gods convince, like, don't do this.

Jack: He does.

Cristina: He does.

Jack: It works.

Cristina: It works. He's figured it out by just breaking all their rules.

Jack: Yes. Yes. He's playing 4D chess. He gets it. He got. Anyways, that's pretty much where we're at. Well, Santa being the most op God.

Cristina: Of all time, he really is. What?

Jack: Yeah. There's no God like him.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And we're definitely out of time. But, like, look, anybody listening to this? This isn't our first, you know, around the park with freaking God. Find all the God Santa. I mean. Yeah, Santa. So find all the Santa Episodes and start at the back so you can work your way forward seeing how we get informed on this.

Cristina: And then listen to this episode again.

Jack: Yeah. Once you have all that information, you can hear this one again and be like, whoa.

Cristina: Yes. What fun Christmas activity.

Jack: Yeah. I think the first time we mentioned Santa Claus was with Dave and talking about the Matrix.

Cristina: That is very complicated.

Jack: Yeah. It got real crazy.

Cristina: How did the Matrix.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Dave episodes are weird.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, if you can find Santa there, go find him.

Jack: Yeah. I mean, there's probably a Santa Claus in the Matrix. The metaverse is gonna. That's the first place Santa is gonna insert himself. The metaverse. Because now I don't have to like it. Pass that through the tech that the kids are using.

Cristina: It's already there.

Jack: Yeah, he's probably one of the first.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He invented the metaverse just to streamline this.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Anyways, go find all those episodes, listen to them in order or watch them, you know, watch sound waves go up and down or whatever it is you cool kids do or whatever. And you can find all that stuff on the official website atgreatthoughts.info, or on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or anywhere you get your podcast, you know, and you can.

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Jack: Yes. And also remember to rate and review. But most important than anything is to subscribe so that you know when we're informing you about the wokest information in the world.

Cristina: The wokest. Let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth, incredibly powerful. Tell people about the show. This is a Christmas episode so that people can listen to it. So today.

Cristina: Ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho.

Jack: And you know, this. This is. This is for you guys to listen to on your day, waiting for your family to arrive with the gifts. I don't really f****** know. How Christmas works. I'm going off of the movies. Like, the family shows up because there's a family celebrating in their house at the 12 o'. Clock. And then there's the family. They're like extended family. Uncles and grandma come the next day and show up at the house and give the kids gifts and stuff. And it's a bigger family event because the. The Christmas Eve is private and collected while Christmas Day is like a bunch of people in one house or something. So that's what I think. Anyways, regardless of how you celebrate, make sure to play this. Show your family the truth about Santa. Don't let the kids listen I curse too much. Or show the kids how to curse. F*** it. They're gonna learn eventually. Might as well learn and learn how to use it in a fun, playful.

Cristina: Way and a plum. Enough fun.

Jack: Yeah, use it for emphasis, not for insult.

Cristina: Ah, okay. That sounds.

Jack: I'll be like, f*** you. But I will be like, what the f***? You know? This shows contextual examples.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And yeah, also you can find me on stereo, having conversations, usually trolling, getting on people's nerves and showing them the.

Cristina: Way, the light the way. This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: Like who and Lucifer matchup?

Jack: I don't know, maybe Lucifer and Zeus.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: But Zeus is the God of gods.

Cristina: So that would be God, wouldn't it?

Jack: I don't know. Because Zeus himself is a demigod. You can kill Zeus?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I also do believe you can kill Jehovah.

Cristina: So then what does that make him?

Jack: That makes him a demigod. Okay, I think in. How do I put it? In Greek mythology, God. God is beyond Zeus. Zeus isn't the top of the chain. He's the top of Olympus.

Cristina: Yeah, but his. The top top is his dad or something.

Jack: There's like a Titan. But Titans aren't gods. No, Titans are some other thing that it could easily be like whipped around by God.

Cristina: But those are his parents.

Jack: Yes, his parents are Titans. And there is something above the Titans. That is the all powerful God.

Cristina: Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Colazzo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts info, art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

November 27, 2021

Rambling 153: Jehovah's Empire

November 27, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

Where does the bible take place? How old is the Earth? How long ago were Adam and Eve created? Do the answers to these questions work together effectively or do they contradict each other and create paradoxes? The duo delve deep into the geography of the christian scriptures and the estimated times of events to determine how accurate they are and how many contradictions present themselves naturally.

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Topics Discussed:

Reasons for Religion
The Biblical Flood
Noah’s Ark
Round Earth vs Flat Earth
Original Biblical Text
Biblical Locations
Adam & Eve
Judaism vs Christianity
Gay Priests
Satanic Christianity
The Tree of Knowledge

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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

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Cristina: And also this. This show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yeah. So be sure to find somebody to have a lovely discussion with while listening to this. You go, you find people, you drag them into a room, chain them into a chair, and you force them to listen. And then you talk to them, whether or not they want to, as they're fear for their lives. Because America.

Cristina: Because of what?

Jack: As a. Because what?

Cristina: Oh, what was the last thing you said?

Jack: That you can tie them to a chair and force them to listen and talk to them whether they want to or not?

Cristina: Because this is America.

Jack: Because this is America, the land of the free. Do whatever you want, including imprisoning other people and constricting their freedoms. Because America. Yes, that's kind of what we do. We're America of the. We're America. Land of the free. With the most people not free more than anywhere in the world.

Cristina: That's great.

Jack: Yeah. Land of the free. Most incarcerations ever.

Cristina: Yes, that's. That's pretty horrible.

Jack: Yeah, that's the way it goes.

Cristina: But people want to fight for their freedoms to, I guess, hurt other people. I don't know. All those Karen videos, it confuses me. They are fighting for freedom, their own freedom, I think. I don't know who's stopping them, but there's someone they think is stopping them. They think the world is the difference.

Jack: Between having freedom to public rights and then going into private locations and claiming you have public freedoms in private locations. Which they do not.

Cristina: Which they do not. And they also make up laws, which I think is very strange.

Jack: Oh, well, here's the thing. People believe that other people don't know the laws. And a lot of the time they're completely right. And that if you just pretend, you know, maybe they'll.

Cristina: I think that. Yeah, that's really possible, I guess. Like, I don't know every single law, so maybe they will tell me something and I'm like, maybe I should look this up, because I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, but it should be. They should go in there and recite exactly which law. Oh, I know the law. Okay, which one is it?

Cristina: Which one is it?

Jack: You shattered the entire argument. Because they don't f****** know. They're making s*** up.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, just look it up. Which one is it? I'll look it up. You know it. Tell me which one to look for.

Cristina: Yeah, because the whole. I don't know, it's always something dumb like the law says you can't use the pool or something. Like you don't even work in this place. What are you talking about?

Jack: Yeah, like this is a pool that belongs to the facility. Do you know the facilities laws? And it says you can't use a pool. Then. Then why do they have a pool?

Cristina: Then why do they have a pool? Exactly. I don't know. There was one of don't play your guitar because it will bother the pigs. Like, what law is that? That's a crazy law.

Jack: It will bother the pigs.

Cristina: I feel like she said that the music was bothering her pigs. I don't know if that's what she said, but it sounds like maybe she.

Jack: Said it was bothering her.

Cristina: I'm so sure she said she mentioned her pigs.

Jack: That's weird.

Cristina: That is weird. Maybe I'm wrong. It's probably not her pigs. But if it is her poor pigs. I don't know. They don't like. What was it? I think it was guitar music or something. Yeah, it was bothering the piggies, but.

Jack: Yeah, maybe that's what she meant. I don't know. I gotta see it.

Cristina: It's weird. It's all weird. I don't know. And the Christians that argue for that. The. I don't know. I don't know who's trying to turn their kids gay. It's the government. But it's also Hollywood. But it's also. Everyone is trying to turn their kids gay.

Jack: Only Christians believe that.

Cristina: Only Christians believe that. Yeah, but that's still pretty weird to believe. That's not a weird idea. That. I don't know.

Jack: It depends on how the idea is presented. How is the idea presented?

Cristina: How is that idea presented? I don't know.

Jack: We explain what they said so that I understand why they think it's making them gay.

Cristina: I don't know why there's two. You know about the two gay. They were penguins and they couldn't have a baby. They were trying to hatch a rock like it was an egg, but it wasn't. So they gave them a real egg and now they have a family. It's them too. And the little girl. I mean, a girl penguin, two gay male penguins and a baby female Penguin. And someone wrote a kids book about it so that kids could have that book about their story. And they're like, they're trying to make it gay, I guess, normal for their kids or something. I don't know.

Jack: Why is making gay normal a problem though? Because it's evil to make gay normal?

Cristina: Yes, because gay isn't evil. Gay equals evil, I guess. Yeah, yeah. So if you're trying to make it normal, you're doing something evil. So whoever wrote that story is an evil person.

Jack: Here's what's interesting about that. This makes me wonder if the purpose of religion is to ensure population growth. Because a lot of things focus on that. Like the whole don't let women make choices, make women do what men want. Because now we have women making choices and men are just going to jail in mass. And not to say that men don't deserve to go to jail in mass. But there's less men to spread seeds, you know? Like it seems almost tactically meant, not maliciously, but rather like let's assure the species survival. Thus religion. Because gay bad. Because gay can't make children.

Cristina: But there's plenty of straight women right now that just don't want to have children.

Jack: That's 100% true. But also, women weren't allowed to read books because educated women don't want to have children.

Cristina: Oh, dumb.

Jack: Women have 7,000 children and they want that jump on welfare.

Cristina: But that's what the Christians want.

Jack: Yeah, but just keep reproducing. Even if half of them die, just keep making more.

Cristina: Just keep making more.

Jack: The world with people the way old God wanted that.

Cristina: He want that because he destroyed a bunch of people though. He destroyed cities.

Jack: Look, God destroyed anything and everything that was right. He drowned the world. Yes, but then you wonder what the world is if everything that ever happened involving God happened in like this, a three country radius. He drowned the world. Get the f*** out of here. He drowned a small, tiny little area.

Cristina: Okay, you think everyone outside of that area were alright?

Jack: Yeah, everybody was f****** fine.

Cristina: What? How do you know?

Jack: Because everything that happened in the Bible is focused in one region.

Cristina: Oh, okay, so they wouldn't actually know if the rest of the world.

Jack: Yeah, there'd be no way to know. They didn't leave that area. They were just all secluded in one spot. And every interaction with God, the world was that one region.

Cristina: What about that boat? Like they must have looked for another place.

Jack: Then how would they know if everything is underwater? What could you look at to tell you you're going anywhere?

Cristina: But if everything Wasn't underwater. You said it was just that spot.

Jack: Right, Right, Right. They already believed everything was underwater as.

Cristina: Far as they can see the boat to like go any further. They just stayed in the hole.

Jack: Could they tell they're going anywhere?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Let's. Let's follow your logic. Everything around you is underwater. Even if other parts of earth are not underwater, which direction is more stuff. If everything looks like it's underwater, I.

Cristina: Don'T go follow the birds. You go somewhere. You just don't stay there. I don't know.

Jack: So the birds decide they're gonna go west. But one. Your boat doesn't have a sail. And also wind is blowing east. How you can follow the birds.

Cristina: The boat doesn't have a sail. I don't know what the boat has. It doesn't have things to move.

Jack: It was just afloat.

Cristina: It was just a float. Okay.

Jack: And if water goes up.

Cristina: Yeah. It was just to keep them there.

Jack: Yeah. It wasn't like a giant wave came and pushed the boat anywhere. It was just like. It just kept raining. It was raining. It didn't. Like rivers didn't. Over there wasn't like a crazy storm that. No, it was just equal rain everywhere for 40 days and 40 nights. That's bringing the water level up and up and up and up and up. And everything is now underwater.

Cristina: Yes. And that boat was not to sail or anything. It was just to be there.

Jack: It was there.

Cristina: Even if.

Jack: Even if, in theory you could sail it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: How are you gonna steer it? How are you gonna choose where to go? And where would you go? Which direction would you choose? And how do you know you're going that direction? You would just pick a spot and it's like that way. Is that north or east? I don't f****** know. It's that way.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then if the boat turns gradually.

Cristina: How would you know?

Jack: How would you know? Because everything is underwater.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You'd have to wait until night to look at the North Star.

Cristina: Ah, well, maybe they should just have travel during night.

Jack: Everything is underwater.

Cristina: You got 40 days. Wait. Is it 40 days or 40 years?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Whatever. A very long time on this boat. You got nothing else to do. What harm would it be to travel a little?

Jack: How.

Cristina: If it was a traveling boat. I don't know if they could. If they could travel in the boat.

Jack: Stick out tiny little paddles.

Cristina: Yes. Have the little. The alligators push them. There's only two, though. But.

Jack: So you see that image?

Cristina: Yes, I see it. And it's Confusing? Because that.

Jack: No, no, no, it's not confusing. You're confusing yourself. But I'll explain it after you talk. Go ahead and plead your case. I can prove you wrong.

Cristina: Okay. They're. They're in the edge of different continents, Right.

Jack: Those aren't established as continents yet, but. Okay.

Cristina: They're not continents.

Jack: Not yet.

Cristina: Not yet. How far back?

Jack: They weren't called continents yet.

Cristina: Whatever. The land masses. Okay, the land masses. Okay. And did those land masses disapp in this or is it just where they were at specifically that went underwater, you're saying? No.

Jack: Okay. What do you see in the center of where all this happened?

Cristina: I don't know. Water.

Jack: Right, right, right, right, right, right, right.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now it starts raining and doesn't stop raining.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What's going to happen to that water?

Cristina: There's going to be more water. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: It's going to start rising, right?

Jack: It's gonna just keep rising.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's kind of a bowl in there, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So the more, I don't know, the more everything gets buried.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And if in theory it rains for 40 days and 40 nights and you're close to the water part.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then that's already eaten everything you know of. And that's just gonna keep filling up farther and farther. Now, if you were to fill up a tub with water.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And you could fill it up in equal parts and you put a little paper boat in the middle. Don't turn on the faucet and push from the direction that the faucet's coming in, but rather water falling equally from everywhere on top down onto the tub. And the tub starts gradually coming up, the boat is going to stay in the middle. In the middle.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So assuming the boat was inside of this general radius that we're looking at where everything took place. Right. It's directly below the Roman Empire that we are seeing these people's boat. We're right. Like, what is this? Like east of the Greek Empire? Is that what we're looking at? More or less.

Cristina: A little part of Egypt in there, Syria, Armenia.

Jack: Because we got to basically look, we're dead center between Europe, Africa and the Middle East. That's really what's happening here. So we're in West Asia, South Europe and North Africa region. The water in between, that is what we're assuming is coming upwards.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So valleys and all that crap. As water comes up, you're closer to the water. In this instance, the water starts coming up, pushing you up, starting to bury the mountains. But because the water happens for 40 days and 40 nights. It keeps building. So everything around you keeps getting buried. Keeps getting buried. So the water actually rises to the height of mountains because you're in a bowl.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So by the time it covers the peaks of mountains, you're higher than mountains at a distance that get sucked up by the curvature of the earth.

Cristina: So you think everything is covered.

Jack: You look in every direction. The curvature of the earth has swallowed. The only way it wouldn't work is if the world was flat. In which case the water level coming up would mean you can see other things. So interesting enough, the argument of Noah's Ark beats the argument of flat earth. They cannot be happening at the same time. They're mutually exclusive. Because if the water did in fact come up this high and the earth was flat, you would have seen the other parts of the earth. Because the earth was not drowned itself, but your region was drowned. Everything that happened.

Cristina: But people who read the Bible think the whole thing was drowned.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes. That's completely wrong and provably wrong. Because everything that happened in the Bible took place in this small region between these three giant continents. So it's in between Europe, Asia and Africa. In not touching all of them. It's just a small region in the middle of them. That's it. Like something that today in a car you could traverse in two days.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Is the whole world back then?

Cristina: That's pretty crazy.

Jack: That's all. That's what they called Earth.

Cristina: I was.

Jack: Earth was a two day car ride.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Everything that existed in all of time to them happened in a two day car rides distance. And if the Earth is flat, then you would immediately be able to see mountains in the distance.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: But the Earth isn't flat.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So after the waters pushed you over your own mountains, it looks like s***. Just disappears over the horizon. There's nothing that way. The world is drowned. Everything is underwater. But they weren't taking into account the fact that the world is not flat.

Cristina: It's not everything.

Jack: It's not everything. There's things over the horizon you cannot see.

Cristina: So this boat could not move. It's just in the middle of water.

Jack: I don't believe the ark had a sail.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or a way to steer.

Cristina: Or a way to steer. It was just there to keep them alive.

Jack: Yeah. It was just something to stay afloat.

Cristina: All right. I don't know how the boat was also.

Jack: They couldn't. I believe they couldn't look out. They were just to be inside the.

Cristina: Boat with no windows or anything.

Jack: You Can't.

Cristina: How did they survive?

Jack: Just 40 days.

Cristina: That's not so bad.

Jack: That's not that bad. It's a month.

Cristina: It's a month.

Jack: So they didn't really need to, like, eat an absorbent amount of animals.

Cristina: No, it was like, maybe they didn't need animals. You could just have something fresh to eat.

Jack: You could just keep, like, an extra chicken.

Cristina: An extra chicken? What if they can only have two of everything or the boat drowns or something?

Jack: I doubt that they could. They probably had, like, an extra chicken and, like, an extra duck or something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Also, we. I guess the boat technically had one of every animal.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And the argument would be again, there. When we think one of every animal.

Cristina: In the world, it was two of every animal.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, whatever. Two of every animal in the world. So it had two of every animal in the world. When we're thinking all the animals in the world, we're thinking the whole world.

Cristina: But you're saying it's animals from that location.

Jack: Yeah. And specifically the ones they knew of.

Cristina: Yes. And in some interpretations, it's three of each animals, I think. So that makes even more sense because they can eat that extra animal.

Jack: Yeah. But now they have way too many. This unnecessary space taken.

Cristina: Maybe they're greedy. I don't know.

Jack: But assuming three, right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Three of each one or. No, two of each one. Just two of each one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Then we also have to keep in mind that they didn't know genetic differences back then. So it's like a wolf and a dog. They're both a dog, so only one can stay. So you're gonna. You know. You get my point. So it's not like a big variety. It's more like two of every species.

Cristina: Oh, that's sad.

Jack: No races within species. Just two of every species.

Cristina: There's no way that they were checking exactly what animals.

Jack: There's no way they could know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To them, every variant of a dog is a dog.

Cristina: Yeah. And the bird is a bird.

Jack: All birds. They're all birds are just birds.

Cristina: That's so many.

Jack: Yeah. So they didn't really have, like, chickens and ducks and.

Cristina: No. It would have to be the chicken or the duck.

Jack: Yeah, it's like the same s***. They look slightly different, but that's like a retarded chicken or something.

Cristina: Well, what about horse and a mule? They would have taken both. Right. Because they're both helpful.

Jack: They probably think it's the same s***.

Cristina: So I would take.

Jack: It's probably like, this is a small horse. That's a big horse.

Cristina: Yes. Let's take the small horse.

Jack: Probably a small horse. You know, more room. Yeah, take the small horses. Those horses are too big. We'll take these small horses. Makes funny noises, but, you know, it does the same s***.

Cristina: Yeah, it's more helpful, I guess. I don't know.

Jack: Interesting, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it kind of makes sense. Fair enough.

Cristina: They were debating about, like, which of these animals are going to.

Jack: And, like, of course they didn't have, like, lions. Where the f*** you getting lions from? There's no lions in the desert.

Cristina: I don't know. In the pictures they put lions.

Jack: I know, but they also put in, like, giraffes.

Cristina: Yeah, they're all zoo animals.

Jack: Where in the desert is there a giraffe? When have you seen a giraffe in the Middle East? That's from the savannas of Africa.

Cristina: That's not on the tippy top, because that's what they're. That was part of. No, that was Egypt. Egypt doesn't have.

Jack: Egypt also does not have giraffes.

Cristina: They would have camels.

Jack: They would have camels. That would make sense.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Actually, it's unlikely they had horses out there. No, I guess they might have had Turkmani horses. That's fair.

Cristina: We might have horses.

Jack: They might have had horses. Yeah.

Cristina: And actually, instead of dogs, it would be. What are those awful animals?

Jack: Hyenas and s***. Those aren't dogs. They don't look like dogs.

Cristina: They don't look like dogs?

Jack: No. They look like some sort of demon.

Cristina: Yeah, they do. I don't know. I feel like they'd maybe not take those, even if they're the only kind, like, who'd want to take that on the boat. There'd be nothing on the boat.

Jack: There'd be nothing on the boat. That thing is going to. You're not going to trap the hyena. It's going to, one, outsmart you and two, eat everything, including you. So, like, they probably. There was definitely exceptions, but also, there were probably no hyenas there. No desert hyenas are also savannah. There's a lot of things we're thinking are.

Cristina: That are not.

Jack: Are there. That are just, like, African savannas?

Cristina: Oh, man. How many animals are in the desert?

Jack: It's not just a desert. It's the Middle East. Yeah, it's like, not. Most of Africa's greenery is in the Middle East.

Cristina: There are at least cows on this boat.

Jack: Yes. I think cows are global.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. I think we domesticated cows pretty early.

Cristina: No lions.

Jack: No lions. There's no. That wouldn't make sense. Now, what's interesting is the Bible's interpretations say lions, but when the. Before it's translated, when you look at these people talking about the original text, lying is one of the things that was never mentioned. That's why the Hebrews don't like to translate the Old Testament, because there's a lot of bullshit that goes on. And the original thing was not suggesting lions. It was some other different desert animal.

Cristina: Oh, okay, so they weren't lions. No, but they were mentioning real animals. They were mentioning real animals, not non real animals. I mean, like, not that lions are not real animals, but just not from there.

Jack: Yeah, that happened later when translations were made.

Cristina: We just decided to have some fun with it.

Jack: Yeah. We added things that we know exist throughout the world.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Lions, though Lions were not mentioned in the original Hebrew text.

Cristina: Yeah, no, I mean, like, why would we pick lions?

Jack: We picked everything, I guess. Again, you will see picture books and it'll show you a giraffe. Why?

Cristina: How.

Jack: How is there a giraffe on the ark?

Cristina: It's really tall. Arc. I don't know. Oh, no. I guess that would mean they'd have windows for their necks. I don't know how they would have giraffes.

Jack: It doesn't make sen. There's just dumb s*** we added to the translations. It doesn't make any sense. But for them, that's the whole world.

Cristina: That's a small, whole world.

Jack: That is a very small world. And everything that ever took place in the Bible happened in this one region, which then brings even further into question God. Right. So, okay, okay, okay. So one ark disproves flat earth, or flat earth disproves the ark. One is destroying the other. They're mutually exclusive. You can't have them both.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Second, everything that ever happened with God happened in a region perhaps smaller than 1% of the Earth.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: This is such a strong argument.

Cristina: Multiple gods for multiple gods.

Jack: You're telling me that this guy's total reach was only this one place? And it's all taking place way later than the Greek empire. Much, much, much later. Much later than the Greek empire that stood. So Zeus was around way longer and had a greater reach than Jehovah. Who wants to claim he is the one and only God?

Cristina: How big was that area? Was that even that big empire? Yeah. Was that really that big? Like, what if we looked at all these empires that are not that big? Like, is there any really that big?

Jack: Okay, so looking at this, you can see that the Greek empire is actually a little further East. It's taking up some similar areas, but it's the eastern part. While the Roman Empire is the dead.

Cristina: Center, it's hard to tell which one is the bigger because there's like four different empires we're looking at.

Jack: It looks like collectively the Greek Empire is significantly larger than the Roman Empire. Like, it looks significantly larger because you can see that the lake at the center is way smaller when you're looking at the Greek Empire. And the map is already larger, so it should be that the water is also bigger. So we have a larger map than the Roman Empire. And the Roman Empire has the lake expanded, and you can still see the entire Roman Empire surrounding the water.

Cristina: The Roman looks like the smallest, though.

Jack: Yeah. The Roman is circling the entirety of the lake in the middle, while the Greek Empire is to the east of this lake.

Cristina: Then there's the Babylonian one and the Middle Persian. Those looks pretty big.

Jack: It's funny because the Babylonian Empire, I guess, is predating the Greek Empire. Is that correct?

Cristina: Doesn't have a timeline on these pictures.

Jack: It has for the Babylonian. I can't actually see where it says it for the Greek Empire, but it's significantly smaller and it's actually within the Greek Empire. You can see if you look over here, this part is the Babylonian Empire. That's what we're seeing up here. So it's just this piece right here. So the Greek Empire s******* on the Babylonian Empire by quite a bit. And then following the. In order, we can say that first is.

Cristina: That's got to be the biggest, right?

Jack: No, it's in order because this stops right here. This is that part.

Cristina: This is further up. No, that's up to here. This is.

Jack: This is that. This is that. And then it stretches downward for how long?

Cristina: Okay, yes.

Jack: So we have the Babylonian Empire being the large, the smallest, then the Persian Empire being the second largest, then the Roman Empire being the third largest, and then the Greek Empire being a colossal monster by comparison.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: Or you can say, distribution wise, that the Roman Empire and the Greek Empire are roughly the same. Okay, so Zeus, Jehovah, all these people are just basically in the same region.

Cristina: So it's just religions fighting for the same spot.

Jack: They're fighting for the same spot. What they consider the entire world was one tiny little spot.

Cristina: It really was. Okay, it was.

Jack: It was just one area.

Cristina: It's not even a battle of religions. This is a battle of books.

Jack: It's a battle of books. They're all trying to force each other's beliefs onto one another. What it's not even like anything particularly amazing. It's really, really small area compared to the world activity compared to the world.

Cristina: Yeah. And everyone else had their own thing anyway.

Jack: Yeah. So we're talking that while these people are over here doing this whole f****** mess, Shinto happened.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And people are over there believing in nature and spiritualism in the Native American tribes happened. And they're also thinking that the land is talking to them. And alive. We have Norse mythology coming in kind of late because Norse mythology comes after Greek mythology by quite a substantial amount. It's like 3,000 years before Norse mythology. And we know that the Greek Empire and the Roman Empire were kind of going head to head. Right. This is a weird, f***** up mess of s*** happening in the same area. And they called it the world.

Cristina: And they called it the world. That's the important thing.

Jack: Yes. They called it the world.

Cristina: Yes. So are these it?

Jack: It seems like, in my opinion, there were a lot of angry demigod brothers and they were like, this is my dirt. No, it doesn't matter. Doesn't matter.

Cristina: They were all fighting for the same.

Jack: Dirt or there's no such thing as a f****** God. And a bunch of people had just bunch of different explanations to how everything happened. There was probably one origin story, and considering that the oldest one of all of these is Greek mythology, they probably all just stole that s***.

Cristina: I don't know. Is that the oldest in the world or you're just saying in this area.

Jack: In that area.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It's the oldest in that.

Cristina: In that area. All right.

Jack: It's creating the world, all that. No, no, Again, their world is that area.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They don't know that there's anything else to them. This is all that has ever existed.

Cristina: And that's what their books are telling.

Jack: Them that their stories are. Yeah. Their books are telling them about justice area and that this is everything and that God only exists here.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Maybe it's even telling them if they. The people who do live on the edge, and they're like, wait, that way is everybody? What the f*** is that way? The books are probably telling them outside of God's land is h*** or some s*** like that, you know?

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: You don't dare leave the sacred land, else you face demons and whatever.

Cristina: And then they were like, we're gonna do that, though. That's how St. Patrick's came to be. He wanted to fight those demons.

Jack: That is so later.

Cristina: That is so later.

Jack: That is way later.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: We're talking way at the start. This is like BC type Of s***.

Cristina: Oh, that is way.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You talking about some s*** that happened a couple of days ago. St. Patrick was just recent as f***. That guy was like what, 300 years ago maybe. Mmm, that might be a stretch. He might have been like 200 years ago.

Cristina: 200.

Jack: St. Patrick wasn't that long ago, was he? Holy s***. No, St. Patrick's was. He was in the deep end, bro. Wait, so come on. Oh, s***. He's from the Roman.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Okay, so then. Yo, they were blatantly lying to their people, bro. They were blatantly lying to their people. How the f***? You both have. Everything that's ever happened, related to God only happened in this one little bubble. And St. Patrick is like, also, I know there's people up there in like Europe.

Cristina: They know about those people then.

Jack: What, they're all demons or something in there?

Cristina: Yes, that's why he went over there.

Jack: So wait, wait, wait. He didn't think those were people?

Cristina: No, he thought those are people worshiping demons and stuff. Like all the whatever gods they are, those are just the devil and. Yeah.

Jack: So they were friends. Definitely aware of other. Interesting, interesting.

Cristina: Of course they knew everyone else had religions and all those religions were led by the devil, I guess.

Jack: This is so crazy because you're telling me, dude, this is like right after Jesus. This is right after Jesus. Oh, that. It's like there are all. Everything's already mega pop. The Earth has already been fully populated. That's hardcore. That's beating all these f****** arguments of everything started here. That's kind of impossible at this point.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If the earth is 5,000 years old one, that means we're starting with the Greek Empire. That is only 3,000 years BC. So we're starting at the Greek Empire. So arguably they've got the universe started right there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then Zeus is right. By your own Bible. Zeus made everything.

Cristina: If we got to go with that timeline.

Jack: Yeah. If we're going by the 5,000 year old timeline. Zeus, not Jehovah.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh. Ow.

Jack: Yeah. Because Jehovah came. The Bible talks about Jehovah creating everything, but even the stories in the Bible's Old Testament are happening thousands of years after the creation. So.

Cristina: Yeah. So the only part that's happening is the creation story and then it starts way in the future.

Jack: It starts where there's people and crap.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, okay.

Jack: Like Adam and eve was not 3000 BC.

Cristina: No.

Jack: That would be crazy, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay, okay. This angered me. This. Okay, okay, let's break down the logic of the Christian Bible right now. According to Christians, the Earth at this moment, according to Bible, the Old Testament and the New Testament and all the data that they are extracting, I say all loosely at this point, the earth is 6,000 years old. Okay, in the ballpark I was assuming about 5,000, but you know, I'm a thousand years off. Whatever. So the Earth is Greek mythology, old and about. That's it. That's it. Just Greek mythology old, according to the Christian Bible. But also the Earth and everything in the universe. Yeah, and everything in the universe that age, somehow. Somehow according to the Bible, Adam and Eve are 10,000 years ago. So we had 4,000 years of Adam and Eve and then Earth, I guess. So not only does that make zero f****** sense.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But that is entirely based on them existing during the Mesolithic era. Not following the logic of the Bible, science.

Cristina: The science.

Jack: Because science goes ahead and tests them, you know, human DNA to see where the beginning of DNA evolution crosses over to our current genealogy. And that's where things get a little fuzzy because it suggests that somewhere between 120,000 to 156,000 years ago would be the birth. So there's a ginormous f****** discrepancy between Adam and Eve and humans gene evolving into human as there is today. So science is just saying, no f****** way. Like 9,000 years. We have been what we are for too long by that point.

Cristina: Yeah. And unless they're not the first humans.

Jack: That would be the first humans, which would make perfect sense if we had somebody around the time of Jesus, which is not that far from the creation of time, travel way the f*** away from where everything is allegedly taking place, and see nothing but other people.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That would make, you know, f****** sense. That would be just logical.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Who knew? That would be just logical that maybe humans have been around long enough to spread. So when you leave the place where you think everything is taking place, you see people.

Cristina: See people. Like, what do you mean?

Jack: When he went to Europe.

Cristina: When he went to Europe, Yeah. Wait, you talk about St. Patrick now.

Jack: St. Patrick goes to Europe.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And he sees people.

Jack: That's because they're needed to be people giving birth to people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Thus there must have been people.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: Hence there must have been people there. Yes, yes. So people ahead of people equaled people being there to begin with. Not just I traveled out and saw. Unless by their understanding the universe and other gods. Man, they had to believe in other gods. They had to believe in other gods. That's the only way. Because they believe God made their understanding of the world. And then he travels out and he sees other people that weren't made by God.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Those people are sinners. They weren't made by God.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And they're worshiping other things, other gods. And God himself says, you hold no other gods before me.

Cristina: I definitely know there's other gods and you should know.

Jack: At some point it got twisted and turned. I'm assuming Christianity did it. Christianity killed the other gods. Not literally killed them, but they tried to suppress the existence of other gods because Old Testament God is fully aware of that. There are other gods.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: It's New Testament God. That's just. No, there isn't.

Cristina: And that's when Christianity is from. So, yeah, they decided. No, they just decided.

Jack: Which is interesting because the Jews are kind of agnostic to some degree with a lot of things. Like there's the. The Orthodox Jews, but the, like, well established version of Judaism has a very agnostic, well, kind of attitude to a lot of things. Things like heaven and h*** and like that.

Cristina: They're like, I don't know, what about multiple gods? Are they like.

Jack: I'm thinking the logic behind it is the God that made us is the God we worship.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And if there are other gods, too bad they didn't make us.

Cristina: Yeah. That's just pretty simple rule. We follow him.

Jack: Simple. Very logical, man. The Jews understand the juicer, right? Aren't they, like, they've got it at least. Maybe not as to whether there is a God or there are gods or if that's even the right path of thinking. But their approach to God makes perfect sense. Anything that's beyond our comprehension. We're not gonna pretend we know. Which the Christians love to do. They have all the assumptions.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The Jews are like, I don't know, evil.

Cristina: And we need to destroy it.

Jack: Yeah. Jews don't. Like, I don't. Maybe you go to h***, dude. I don't know. That's. I don't know who told you that.

Cristina: That's why they're Christian number one enemy.

Jack: Yeah. 100%.

Cristina: Their attitude is so different.

Jack: Yeah. They're chill. They're like, it is what it is.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Like, when we die, we'll find out. Yeah, well, yeah.

Cristina: And they're like, no. They're bullying everyone. Like, no. You do know what happens. Fire.

Jack: Yo. It's crazy, right? That's nuts. So they. It's nuts. It's nuts because everybody. The. The one fault they all have is they're pretending that everything took place in one spot. Then again, maybe the Jews Weren't doing that. That sounds very Christian to me, that the Christians are like, you know, the world got drowned. But it's like, you know, things where.

Cristina: That's why they don't try the translation thing.

Jack: The translation.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yes. And also, we know that the flood didn't actually mean flood because that was added in the translation.

Cristina: That did. Yeah.

Jack: That was part of the translation. I mean, we. We looked at this before. We had gone through this. We never talked about it on the show. But you and I have personally gone through this before. That. That is not actually in the Hebrew Bible. It's not in the Hebrew text. Scriptures do not talk about a flood in that way.

Cristina: How many things, though, were. Do people think are there that aren't really there?

Jack: A lot. The problem is people don't learn Hebrew and then go read the thing. They trans. They trust somebody's translation.

Cristina: They trust somebody. They're not even reading the Bible.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Pastor. Reading into them.

Jack: So there's an easy way to break apart what's happening between Judaism, Christianity, that. Until now, that I've thought about how ridiculous the Christian branch of this is. And I've always knew it was ridiculous, but it always just gets more ridiculous when you think about it, which is Christianity is a hundred percent a religion without philosophy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Judaism is equal parts religion and philosophy.

Cristina: And what about other religions? Are they also with their own philosophies or.

Jack: Many times they try to offer philosophy at least. And we know things like Shinto and Buddhism are purely philosophical with total lacks of religion.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So there are many different aspects to this. And we know Judaism might be the most balanced version or a spectrum. Yeah. Because there's definitely ways of thinking about spirituality without having to have faith included and without having to have ritual included. Thus you have spiritual philosophy, then you have a combination of spiritual philosophy and religious tradition. And then you have spiritual religion, which is Christianity, actually, minus the spiritualism.

Cristina: They like to use the word spirit.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Spiritual.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because they're not inclusive, while Jews kind of are like, you know, it is what it is. It's just one God. Like, I'm not gonna judge you for not following the God. You do what you got to do. But I'm gonna follow the God because I believe he made me.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: While Christians are like, you're going to f****** h***, bruh. Because you ain't following what I believe.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's like, whoa, dude.

Cristina: Going to h***. And stop turning my kids gay.

Jack: Yeah. Stop turning all the kids gay, man. Are the people who believe the frogs are turning Gay Christian, too.

Cristina: Of course they. The same person.

Jack: Like, basically the idea here is if you believe in a conspiracy theory that seems to be completely absurd, you might.

Cristina: Be Christian, she might be Christian, Might be.

Jack: Because Christianity is a conspiracy. It's the conspiracy.

Cristina: It's the biggest conspiracy of all. Of all. Yes.

Jack: It's lying to the people as to how big Earth was. Lying to the people about how long Earth has been around. It's lying to people about what happens after death. It's lying to people about what God wants. It's lying to people about how God wants it.

Cristina: It's lying to people about. I don't know. I guess today the government, celebrities, everyone's against you, everyone's an enemy. Everyone's trying to turn a kid gay. Except for the pastor, obviously.

Jack: The only one who's. He's trying.

Cristina: He's.

Jack: He's the only innocent one.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You gotta understand, Christina, you're. You're thinking of.

Cristina: He's the one that's telling them that this is happening.

Jack: Yes. Look, he. His hands have been purified by God himself.

Cristina: So when he touches those kids, when.

Jack: He touches those kids, it's not gay and it's not a sin. He's purifying childex so that when. So when they. Their wives in the future, they are their wives with purified dicks that are going to have sinless children so long as they don't have premarital sex after their. Their. Their child dicks touch priests hands.

Cristina: Can you say those two words together?

Jack: Child dicks and priests hands.

Cristina: Yes. It's so horrible.

Jack: Yeah. This is the reality of the matter. Christians truly believe that when a pastor puts a little child willy in his mouth, he's making this child more innocent. And the reason the kid is scarred in the future as a result is because he's been so purified, the demons are working their way out. And we're witnessing that happen. Christianity.

Cristina: And there's also priests that are like, oh, if the child's confused, don't give him to LGBT members because then they'll confuse them even more.

Jack: You give them to the priest who usually deals with kids like this anyways.

Cristina: Nah. He wants them to go to Christian families to turn them straight.

Jack: No, you gotta take. You gotta take your kid and be like, look, so you're telling. You're telling me your kid is showing signs of wanting to touch other people's privates. I know exactly how to solve this problem. You need to trust the church with your child and leave him here. We're gonna purify him. And the first thing the priest. The priest does is tell the kid, look, my d*** is God's d***, and you like touching dicks. So by touching my d***, you're gonna reverse your love of dicks. And as a result, you're gonna be cured. You just gotta touch my d*** the way you touch their dicks and you know, magic. Magic that's so horrible, it's like rubbing a magic bottle.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You're gonna rub until the genie comes out. And when the genie comes out, you're gonna watch me start speaking in tongues and shudder as the spirit of God enters my body. And you know at that moment that you've done the right thing and you are not.

Cristina: I'm God is the difference of those. God is people who are possessed. They seem almost the same.

Jack: I don't know, maybe they're like in. You know, it's like those people who. They believe, oh, my God, I'm having a heart attack. And they believe it so viscerally that they have a heart attack.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like these people who are over here, like, the spirit of God is in me. They believe it so much that it. They're. To them, it's happening.

Cristina: Yeah, but it looks a lot like a person.

Jack: An o*****. Well, maybe that's the feeling they believe is happening.

Cristina: I was thinking of someone who's possessed. Like the whole speaking in tongues thing and whatever. Aren't they speaking and stuff?

Jack: That is kind of diabolical, right? That goes up there with the. The whole. Eating flesh, drinking blood, making sacrifices even. I love that meme of lamb's blood because it tells God which are the right kids to kill.

Cristina: Horrible.

Jack: Yeah, but like all of that weird s***, you know that, like, God is pretty diabolical when you think about it. But then God shows up and he enters your body and the first thing you do is sound like a demon, Bro, maybe. Maybe we're wrong about what we think Christianity is and we're over here accusing these people. You guys worship Satan. And it's like, is Satan calling everybody else Satan?

Cristina: Is it? Yeah.

Jack: He's just running around saying, I'm God, you're Satan. But it's like, no, bro, but. But you. You kill the children. You wanted first you needed an animal sacrifice. F*** that guy's crops. You needed blood. So, yeah, f*** it if they kill each other. I like your dead animal more.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Also, I need you.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: To drink blood. And I need you to eat flesh. Also, I'm gonna eat your firstborn. I'm gonna just show up the houses and Kill.

Cristina: First born a bloody X on my door.

Jack: Yes, you. If you already sacrifice an animal for me, then I'm not gonna kill your kid. But if you don't want to kill the animal, well, I'm gonna kill the kid.

Cristina: That's cool.

Jack: And like, you know, when I enter your body, never mind the fact that you scream in tongues and your voice gets deep and you shudder and you speak backwards and stuff, it's by no means that I'm the devil. No, no, no, no, no. That's just what it sounds like when I'm around to try and trying to confuse you, man. You're gonna who? You're gonna listen to me. Have you ever seen the devil? I. I have. I know what he is, and it's not me. I'm God.

Cristina: What does the level look like? Is he the lizard person?

Jack: He's the snake. He's. He's just blaming. He's just picked a f****** random thing. He's like, that's. That's the devil that things. The devil's like, bro, isn't that just a snake? No, no, no, it's the devil. I'm telling you. You're gonna question me. I'm God. That's the devil. But where'd you even come from, bro? Day? Are you questioning me?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the snake is like, bro, just eat the f****** fruit and you're gonna know truth. Just f****** eat the fruit, bro. He's like, no, that's the devil.

Cristina: How did that snake move that snake, though?

Jack: And then that snake ate the fruit. And he was like, d***, that's a devil, ain't he? I gotta tell these people to eat that fruit, bro. And he's like, no, no, that's the devil. Don't you listen to that stupid snake. They did eat the fruit.

Cristina: That's ridiculous.

Jack: But they didn't eat the whole fruit.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: They were taken. They got caught in the act.

Cristina: Did they?

Jack: Maybe you have to finish the whole fruit.

Cristina: How do you know they got caught in the act? I don't know.

Jack: The story says in the Bible they were caught eating the fruit.

Cristina: I don't know. No, they. She was caught giving it to him, so she probably ate more than him.

Jack: Hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up. I don't remember this clearly. It's been a while.

Cristina: But first Eve, she took. She ate the apple. Then she was like, oh, my gosh, this is awesome. I should show this to Adam.

Jack: Interesting. Did Adam bite the fruit or did he grab the fruit? I don't remember if he actually. He bit. Right. He at least took a little bit.

Cristina: He had to.

Jack: But they didn't eat the whole fruit. It should have been a whole fruit for you. A whole fruit for you. Knowledge. They were stopped just in time to not be able to tell that God is the devil.

Cristina: You think if they ate enough, they would have tell.

Jack: They would have seen that it's the tree of knowledge. The information that this being does not want them to have is in the one tree that he said you cannot eat from.

Cristina: Mm, sorry. Disturbing.

Jack: And then from that point forward, he wants sacrifices or he's gonna kill your children and you have to eat flesh and you have to drink blood. And anytime he's inside of your. You're gonna behave like a demon has possessed you.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And thus the story of how God came to be.

Cristina: So he's some kind of demon.

Jack: He's some kind of demon. He might be actually the devil. Christianity itself, not Judaism.

Cristina: And some of those stories are Jew.

Jack: The original Old Testament is Judaism. Yes.

Cristina: But some of the stuff that God wanted, all those things that was from the first book too. That was specifically the first book, is when God was asking for things and everything.

Jack: Interesting, interesting.

Cristina: The second one, he's not really.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. God is taking a vacation or something. Interesting. Here's my question about that. Because, okay, the Jews are following the devil, which is the same God that the Christians believe they're also following later. But then God became Jesus. And then we killed Jesus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Did God really die? And we're like, no, he's still there, but it's like, bro, he kind of hasn't been around since, like. Like we were saying he was God. And then we killed him. And then there was kind of like no more God stuff happening ever again.

Cristina: Maybe he was tired of this. He was like, okay, I'm over this.

Jack: You think it was suicide? Like, he was like, I know they're going to kill me, but f*** it.

Cristina: Yes. I think that was a go. He's like, yeah, I know I'm going.

Jack: To have a short life, but interesting, interesting. We're like, we killed Jesus and that purified our sins. Right? So God becomes Jesus, and him knowing he's gonna be killed. In being killed, his goodness gets spread it just everywhere, all at once. I guess we'd have to blow him up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We need, like, dynamite inside Jesus in order to spread his.

Cristina: So you destroyed him the wrong way.

Jack: We destroyed him the wrong way.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Because his goodness needs to spread out. It needs to rain upon the Innocent bystander to washing.

Cristina: So God was a demon and then he became a human because he was tired of messing with us and he let us kill him because he knew that's how it was gonna end.

Jack: Or. Or whoa, what is it? Whoa. Maybe God was a demon. That's. That checks out really hard. That checks out real hard. But Jesus wasn't.

Cristina: He's not related.

Jack: No, but the demon convinced him he was. He was just a f****** kid, bro. He was just a kid.

Cristina: But then why. Why was that the last prank or whatever?

Jack: Because that was the actual God that nobody ever saw. Let's. Let's rewind back to the beginning. He didn't make Adam. He didn't make Eve. We've already established that. It kind of seems like there's not just Jehovah, but others.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: And that chances are Jehovah himself was put. Yeah, he was put in the garden. He didn't make the garden. He didn't know how the garden worked.

Cristina: There was a creature in the garden.

Jack: There was a creature in the garden. We called him God.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And he somehow stopped whatever the other thing that was meant to watch over things was and trapped that thing.

Cristina: And you're saying that thing is Jesus?

Jack: That thing is Jesus. Or he turned that thing into Jesus so that it was pure goodness. And his joke was you're gonna go down there and die like the things you made.

Cristina: He somehow tricked the thing over him.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Or some other things like him.

Jack: Other thing like him.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He's Loki and Loki has his Thor.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so the Thor in this case is who we think we're referring to when we say Jehovah. But actually we're talking about Loki, who's the entire Old Testament and all the crazy s*** that happened and the want for sacrifices and you drink blood and you do this and you do that. And I'm gonna eat your firstborn because. Haha.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Right? And then Jesus happens, but Jesus is really just whatever the h*** was really supposed to be here first. That he somehow stopped from doing his job. And then as his last haha, f*** you turned him into Jesus immortal that's gonna be murdered.

Cristina: So they end.

Jack: Dipped.

Cristina: They both dipped though. Or he really died. Whatever that other.

Jack: Yeah, he really died. He just like stripped him of power and made him human. He's like, here you go.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then just like, I got your power and I got my power and I'm out, cuz. This is boring now. Yeah, I've been doing this for like 3,000 years. Mount.

Cristina: Guys, I don't know, cuz Jesus was supporting him through the whole thing.

Jack: Jesus had no idea.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Jesus was born a normal person.

Cristina: So the thing. So there was a thing in Jesus?

Jack: No, no, no, no, no. Jesus was the other thing.

Cristina: But he didn't know that.

Jack: He didn't know that. He lost his powers. He lost his memory. He was wiped out. He was turned into a mortal.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It's like if you were to take one of the Greek gods powers, you.

Cristina: Could turn into mortal and erase their memories and everything.

Jack: Yeah, just. You are now just born. You were born from day one.

Cristina: Alright?

Jack: You're not born and you're just like Benjamin Button, just talking English and s***. Full knowledge and crap.

Jack: No, he was a hundred percent just a kid.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then we killed him.

Cristina: And then we killed him. Then that's the end of the story.

Jack: The end.

Cristina: Yeah, that sounds right. I don't know.

Jack: Seems legit, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: How interesting. I'm way too fascinated by the fact that. More than definitely, like there's more than one 99% chance Jehovah's the devil. Or a demon at least.

Cristina: Demon. A demigod. A demigod could be evil. Yeah, it's neutral.

Jack: It's neutral. So he's not omniscient anything, it's just some other being that makes like he's bad sometimes.

Cristina: Yeah, but they're all bad sometimes.

Jack: Yeah, like Zeus will murder people.

Cristina: F*** yeah.

Jack: They do stuff.

Cristina: He fits.

Jack: That fits. And he loves sacrifices. So did Zeus. They love sacrifices. They all love f****** s***. Sacrifice and murder to them and crap. I'm gonna kill your firstborns. Or you kill a goat. You kill a goat. Give me some blood. Or you.

Cristina: I'm going like a prank or something. Like it's all just like haha. What can we convince them to do? That's so dumb.

Jack: No, I think it's about loyalty.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I think it's. You're gonna kill the goat to prove to me that you believe me and that you follow. Well not believe me because you know I'm here, but that you follow me.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or I kill your kid.

Cristina: Harsh. Okay. Simple loyalty. Loyalty about loyalty, demi thing.

Jack: Zeus also loves loyalty. It's about loyalty. And he will murder over loyalty.

Cristina: Yeah, they all have their temples and whatever.

Jack: Yep, yep, yep. 100% fascinating man. Does argument for a twisted, psychotic, Loki esque demigod is like real hard on that.

Cristina: I think that's the winner. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: Especially when people have the spirit of God. You basically just became the Exorcist.

Cristina: Yes, I don't know, it lasts so much shorter that they're like, it's. It's fine. I don't know.

Jack: It's weird with normalize, huh? Anyways, running out of time here, but if you guys enjoyed this conversation, there are a copious amount that. Of conversations of this exact type and nature here on the podcast you can find many, many, many. And we're basically just refining some thoughts we've had. But we've never really discussed how tiny the area in which everything in the Bible takes place.

Cristina: Like, it's so ridiculous.

Jack: So small you could drive across that s*** in a day. That's crazy.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: Yeah, that's. That's everywhere God and Zeus were.

Cristina: And somehow Adam and Eve were created before the world was.

Jack: The world is 6,000 years old, but Adam and are 10,000 years old. So resolve that, Christians. Anyways, you can find all that additional stuff where we talk about how much we love God and Jehovah and, you know, this is the Christian podcast where we just talk about how much faith and love we have in God. So, you know, you can find all that stuff on the official website greatthoughts.info or on Apple Podcasts or Spotify or anywhere you get your podcasts, really.

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Cristina: Are you woker? Are you Put some cross emojis in there?

Jack: Actually, no. Put a goat and then. Oh, yeah, I guess you put a little X. Put a little X right after you put a goat emoji, because you kill the goats and they put a child. So you put a goat, you put an X, and then you put a little kid at the end.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: And then that'll tell us that you. You listen to the episode.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Should we start posting these with those?

Cristina: That would be so cool. Yes, that makes sense. Yes. Awesome. Yeah, Our reviews are gonna be covered in random emojis.

Jack: Yeah, man, that's dope. And yeah, so make sure to put.

Cristina: Coast with that stuff and let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth is the most overpowered thing that exists in all of the universe. And apparently the universe is, like, 300 miles. So, yes, you know, like, whatever.

Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks for listening. Bye. Weird. Let's go. Are they jumping through pictures? How are they coming to us?

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: They're not, like, from this, are they?

Jack: No. This is an interesting point. This is a very interesting point that you bring up, because then the question is, are we to think of heaven like a painting? Like, is it this other space that is not? Like, it's the painting in the Roadrunner in Wile E. Coyote situation?

Cristina: I feel like we're the painting. I would have imagined heaven to be a gallery of paintings.

Jack: Oh, f***. See, here's the problem. Here's a problem with that.

Cristina: What?

Jack: You're assuming that. Well, in any case, what God are you talking about? That's which version of heaven. If you're referring to, like, Jehovah heaven, then why would it be a gallery and not just a now?

Cristina: A now?

Jack: Like, they have one moment the same way we have one moment. They share one moment. Yes, God exists always and forever, but also we are being visited. Or there's a narrowness and we're always going in one direction.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So their time is our time. There's not a gallery. There's a single painting, and it's called Earth.

Cristina: Well, the other paintings represent other realities.

Jack: Well, this is my problem. If you're talking Jehovah, that's not the case. Oh, because we're talking, like, Christian God and Earth is the only thing that matters. Blah, blah, blah, blah. You'd be talking about some sort of elevated version of religion. In that case, then, yeah.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo, and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

November 12, 2021

Rambling 151: Powerful Beings

November 12, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

Was Jehovah a single person or a group of people? Are Jehovah’s angels just Zeus’ children rewritten? Are the soldiers in Jehovah’s army (angels) roughly as powerful as Jehovah, but they merely believe in his philosophy and follow him rather than attempting to replace him? The duo unpack the possibility that Jehovah and his angels were merely a powerful group of humans with adrenochrome on their side at war with other factions of humans achieving the same abilities awarded by adrenochrome but through other rituals and traditions. What they discover about Hitler and Jehovah in the process is something no one could have ever predicted!

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Topics Discussed

Hitler
Zeus
Jehovah
Adrenochrome
Power
Biblical Giants
Small Humans
Biblical Metaphors
Omniscience
Nothingness
The Garden of Eden

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Jack: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised. Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released. Released.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. So be sure to pull someone close and scream at them that this is the show. This, the Just Conversation podcast, is the show. You're gonna be like, what do you mean? And you're gonna be like, it's the show. Be like, but what? The show.

Cristina: The what?

Jack: Which of the many? And why is this? And it's like, no, no, no, it's the show. There's one show and it's that show. It's like, no, but what about, like, Supernatural? And it's like, no, no, no, no. That's not real. Only the Just Conversation podcast is real.

Cristina: Is a real show or is real like.

Jack: No, it's a real show.

Cristina: Historically, both. Okay.

Jack: We are the show that's ever existed. Everything else is an illusion created by the Matrix. Anyway, so we were talking about how Jehovah.

Cristina: Right.

Jack: Everybody listening? We're back on this.

Cristina: Yes, whatever. We can't help it.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the angels are based on the Greek gods. We know that exact thing. Even with the Dead Sea Scrolls continuously being uncovered, all we're finding out is that it's basically a copy and paste of a bunch of Greek mythology s***.

Cristina: Yes, that sounds right.

Jack: So the same way that all the angels, all the gods were sort of equal to Zeus, maybe slightly less powerful, but they were equal in that Zeus is a demigod. He's a flesh person who you can kill and will stay dead. And all the other gods are essentially the same thing. My argument is that Jehovah, being based on this, works the same way. Now, he is the loudest, and he claims to be the one and only God, but I think all the angels are.

Cristina: Would it be equal to him?

Jack: Would be equal to him to some degree.

Cristina: Like, all the demigods would be equal.

Jack: To Zeus, all the gods to Zeus the way. All the angels to Jehovah. And the example I have is that Hitler was one man.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And there were millions of soldiers under his control, but they're all men.

Cristina: I mean, they were all equal to him.

Jack: Yeah. They're all Equal to him. But we don't know any of them.

Cristina: They're superhuman.

Jack: Yeah. We don't know a single one of them. And he is not special. Hitler was not special. He was just another person.

Cristina: But he made himself special.

Jack: He made himself special. He was the loudest, he was the scariest, he was the most ruthless. And as a result, he's who we remember. The same applies for Zeus, who was particularly ruthless and violent. And same applied to Jehovah. Jehovah was what, at the beginning? Aggressive, ruthless, monstrous, murderous, destroy, whatever. Until people are like, if we stop f****** with him, he will stop retaliating. Yeah, let's just listen. And then what? He just became a passive, kind guy because, like, everything is in the orders that I wanted it to be.

Cristina: But he had to be that tough guy first.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Weird. Yes, he is. He could be just another angel. Like, angel could just be the word for God or gods or demigods or whatever.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: 100% equal. But in all these. In all these stories about gods, whether it's Christianity or. What was the one that you just mentioned?

Jack: Greek mythology?

Cristina: Greek mythology or Norse mythology? Norse mythology. Thank you. Norse mythology. They all have giants as well in these stories. They're giants. And giants seem to be something other than human and gods, or at least that's why I feel like that's what's going on. If there are giants in the Christian book, what are they? Are they aliens?

Jack: Well, there's an interesting question there, because there are giants in the Christian Bible, especially the one that David fought.

Cristina: But in the Bible, they're human and angel babies. Right. Or something like that.

Jack: Well, Goliath wasn't. Goliath was just a giant that I believe was human.

Cristina: Oh, he was just a. But he's a giant human. He's not a giant giant. You know, like in.

Jack: No, I think he was abnormally huge. I think he was an impossible size.

Cristina: Oh, like an actual giant?

Jack: Like an actual giant.

Cristina: Oh, so then what are these giants?

Jack: Okay, so an easy argument for this would be people were smaller in the past. If you trace us far back enough, we're actually at our tallest proportion moment. Yes. Okay, well, it's complicated because it branches off in two different directions. Right. We began as smaller humans, but we were taller apes. So when we were still in the ape age.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We were pretty big.

Cristina: For apes.

Jack: For apes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And this is in the period where we started standing up on two legs and, like, looking around in that. Like, we were pretty tall around that time. Neanderthals, that kind of s***. We're talking huge. But then we enter the human ish era. We're humanoid and almost human.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then for whatever reason, there's a crazy dip and we're very small. Through the beginning of humanity, we're still.

Cristina: Big compared to apes, we're still small.

Jack: We're pretty small. We're talking like average height being anywhere between four, five and five feet.

Cristina: Whoa. Okay. What?

Jack: And we know that people can be as tall as 7ft, 9 inches, 9, 8ft. What's tallest human? Like, okay, we got huge f****** people.

Cristina: Yeah. But not many.

Jack: Almost twice the size of the average. If the average was four or five.

Cristina: Yeah. Are those giants?

Jack: So these people are technically giant? I think you're technically giant after you pass like six, six or something.

Cristina: But that's not what they're talking about in these stories.

Jack: Well, we don't know, because the problem with interpreting the Bible literally is that it's a book of metaphors to begin with.

Cristina: What about the other books, are they also metaphors?

Jack: I don't know. Assuming that these are also periods of time when they were. How do I put it? Okay. If you were to say, what is the past of Asia look like? Asians are usually pretty small. So were they smaller? Evolution tells us yes, probably. But then we look at something like Africans that are really tall.

Cristina: I don't.

Jack: If two of these people were to.

Cristina: Cross paths, would one see the other as a giant? Is that what you're saying?

Jack: Chances are in the past we would have seen the other as a giant.

Cristina: If we didn't know that they were people already.

Jack: Their skin already looks different. We've never encountered these people before. All we know is that they're humanoid, but literally twice the size of any of us.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's a giant. And when you write about that, that's a giant. And if they've never encountered you and you've never encountered them, Fear and hostility is human response, survival.

Cristina: Yeah. So they weren't really giants battling gods then. He's in a lot of these stories. It's a power, like fight between giants and gods for whatever.

Jack: I mean, for power, whatever. It's possible. Let's look at, let's compare these two situations. Right. You have Jehovah, all his angels waging war. We have Zeus, all the gods waging war.

Cristina: Yeah. And the Titans that are giants.

Jack: Yes. In these two cases we have the loudest guy who we know of and their army. Like we said, Hitler and his army.

Cristina: Okay, Right.

Jack: If this was taking place so long ago that it was let's say, I don't know the first f****** year, but the same event. So there's a guy who's a Hitler equivalent, super loud, surrounded by people just like him. But he's the loudest, he's the scariest, he's more ruthless. And there's a group of rebels who come from somewhere else. These rebels come from a. Now this Hitler is taking place in Asia. He's a short guy. We are terrorizing. We don't know if there's anything outside of Asia. We're over here terrorizing everything in Asia. Taking over, expanding, trying to explore what there is. And then these people popped out of nowhere. And they're like, that's wrong, what they're doing. But they're African. They're very tall, they're old school African. Like 6, 5, every single one of them. And over here, you're all four or five, every single one of you.

Cristina: So you're saying that these characters are probably based on humans, then it's not gods at all.

Jack: It's not gods at all. It was just some guy whose loudness was godly.

Cristina: Yeah, it's like in, what is it, North Korea, where he convinced everyone that he is pretty much God and he can't. Like, he doesn't need to use the bathroom and stuff like that. Like, there's stories like that about whoever this ruling evil dude is. This ancient Hitler.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes, exactly. Exactly. And I think that it's possible that the giants we've heard about were just an opposing team. The other people.

Cristina: The other people. Okay, I guess.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What? So it's not really. But then none of these stories matter when it comes to what could exist besides us.

Jack: Yes. Because everything is a story about us. And we just have to keep in mind that we are speaking metaphorically at all times in these books. So when we say giants. Well, what does it mean? Tall guy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: When we say God, maybe people in power, people with weapons, people can cause damage. People who other people listen to because.

Cristina: They just seem magical because of that. Because they have abilities.

Jack: No, no, no. It's not even magical. Those are also just metaphors.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah.

Jack: Everything is a metaphor.

Cristina: Yes, yes. Everything's a metaphor. Okay, okay. Take the magic out of it.

Jack: Take the magic out of it. Yeah. It's just loud people and war and crap of that nature.

Cristina: What? I guess. And it's just a history book.

Jack: It's a history book of metaphoric stories.

Cristina: Yes, all the books.

Jack: All the books.

Cristina: All the books are telling the same story, which are all metaphors.

Jack: Which is funny when you talk about the Dead Sea Scrolls. Right. And these things are being brought out, discovered, and they're just talking about the stories in the Bible, and the Christians are grabbing this s*** and running like, hey, a different book is talking about the same stories that took place in the Bible. What? And it's like, oh, my God. If you guys look at the text, you'll find out that the Bible was written using these texts, not the other way around. Not the other way around. It's not that two different groups of people saw the same events and wrote about them. It's that the Bible is based on these books who are based on those.

Cristina: Books, who are based on those other books who are based on those other books.

Jack: Like, and so the Christians are like a second. No, it's the same. It's the first version of the book you're reading?

Cristina: Yes, it's the first draft.

Jack: Yeah, it's the first draft. Well, you're like, wow, different. No, it's not different. It's the same book, but in.

Cristina: For the Dead. For the Dead Sea Scrolls. How can they read those? Is it even possible?

Jack: It's in Hebrew.

Cristina: Okay. So they can translate it somehow. Okay.

Jack: I mean, it's.

Cristina: I don't know how old they are. No, I didn't know it was still a common language that those were written in.

Jack: Oh, yeah, yeah, they were in Hebrew.

Cristina: Hasn't that language changed since then?

Jack: Yeah, but the language is still pretty, like, used pretty common. It's kind of widespread. And you can just ask somebody to read it to you. Like, the difference between Old English and now is hearing somebody talk about it. But if you were to read it, you can still pick up on what they're saying.

Cristina: Yeah, but it makes me. It reminds me of that story of that someone went through the Bible and then changed everything for other words to tell a whole new story where the Bible is actually about aliens and their experiment with humans and they were using the Hebrew language and giving different meanings, but it's the same word. But I guess that word has multiple meanings, so you can just change it to whatever you want it to mean, as long as it's the word. Because that word could mean. You know what I mean?

Jack: Okay, I know exactly what you're talking about and who you're talking about. I forget his name, but I know what you mean. And in the case that you're currently talking about the Bible being the story about aliens or whatever, out of the two possibilities that we're faced with, either say the Bible is being Literal? Well, in assuming the Bible is telling real events that were of supernatural proportions, at least us.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: Whether it be powers or science, the latter seems more likely because the words that they have in the time that the words were being used and written actually align more with the guy's argument about it being associated with foreignness and aliens as opposed to gods and perfection. So it's more likely that what they meant was aliens. That is fact.

Cristina: But I'm assuming no one's going to read those scrolls in using that way.

Jack: Of thinking, because they're already going to say that. Well, at least if they're Christian, they're going to look at it. Or Hebrew or anybody who believes in the religions of Jehovah.

Cristina: Yeah, they're going to translate it using those words that they're familiar with.

Jack: Yeah, the translation has to fit. It's the confirmation bias you're going to go in with. This is what it should sound like. So anything I read I gotta fix for being like this.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Versus reading it and knowing how the words were used at the time that it was written. So what they most likely mean which the guy you're talking about wrote a book explaining how the words were used previously.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And how when they were written in the Bible, there's no way they could have meant water when they meant the heavens or something like that.

Cristina: Yeah, he gets really into it.

Jack: Yes, I can remember his name. Name. But yeah, I know who you're talking about. In any case, it's always more likely than that there are aliens, than that there is a divine being who designed anything and everything somehow existing from outside reality.

Cristina: There can't be something outside. I don't be.

Jack: That doesn't make any sense. In fact, the idea that something or.

Cristina: They can be, but it can't be inside too.

Jack: The idea that something even thinks is an idea from within reality.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh, that's how complicated it is. Even the concept of perception, awareness. Consciousness is inside is a concept that exists within reality. For anything to have awareness and make everything else, you would have needed awareness to begin with, which is impossible to have it before reality in which that came to be exists.

Cristina: What?

Jack: So there could not be just definitively there could not be a God based on that. At least not an omniscient everywhere, all the time God, No. And the best we have for that is still from within reality. Which is to say, how did our universe come to be? And that's where we have nothingness observed by consciousness. We still don't know where the place where those two Things are is we know it's within. I guess it's reality.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Even if there's no universe, there's no space, time. There is just nothingness and consciousness. Those things still exist within reality.

Cristina: Can we prove that there's nothing? No, we can't.

Jack: No, it would be impossible.

Cristina: This is a question. You have to ask it. I don't know. I know there's no answer to that, but it's just.

Jack: Yes. The answer is there is nothing. There's as much nothing as there is something. They're both infinite.

Cristina: But can you prove it? How do you prove that nothing's there?

Jack: By proving that something is here.

Cristina: And that's enough.

Jack: It's easy. In order for something to be in a place, there must have been nothing there first. Otherwise the something could not go there because there's already something there. You need nothing there first in order to put this new something there. Okay, well, because we are here, there must have been nothing here.

Cristina: Because we are here, there must have been nothing.

Jack: Because if there was something here, we could not be here.

Cristina: Yes. That is so complicated.

Jack: Nothingness has to be just as likely as somethingness. But we can never experience a moment of nothingness, difference.

Cristina: Mmm. We cannot experience nothing that is complicated. But that's more about death than anything. That's complicated. Because then what is after life? Yeah.

Jack: More perception. Definitely.

Cristina: You don't think there could be a nothing?

Jack: We couldn't experience it no matter what we would continue to experience. That's why I don't fear death.

Cristina: Because you have to experience something.

Jack: Because the however long you experience nothing for, you'll be unaware that you experienced nothing. The example is always you die or you're dying and the light is slowly fading. And then the second it goes to black, a split second goes by, and then the light starts expanding again. And then you just pop out of somebody's v*****.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So you never stopped perceiving? Yeah, there was just more of the same. Or you die. You're dying. You're on your deathbed. You're an old man. You're about to leave your soul, you're about to leave your body. Everything is dying. The lights are going out. And then suddenly everything starts to fractalize and starts to break apart.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then there's just a bunch of parts everywhere. And you're still witnessing the part, but the concept of you is gone. But you're still watching the people who were your family slowly decompose into nothing that looks like just parts. You watch your body. You're Surrounded by decompose into nothing. And now you're still here, perceiving this soup of something.

Cristina: Do you? Huh? I guess. If that's true. And then you just. You're just born afterwards. Is it. Are you in the nothing? You wouldn't be born.

Jack: No, the previous scenario. You're born. In this scenario. You've died and crossed to some other plane of existence. Smooth. It was seamless. There was never here's space with nothing in it. Yeah, that never happened. You just went from, hey, you're sitting across from me. Christina, I'm on my deathbed. You come and you visit me next to my deathbed on my last moment. And you're like, hey, it was real fun to do this show with you, but you're dying. And I'm like, yeah. And then I see you. Slowly as the light goes away, you start to get fuzzier and fuzzier. And then you become so fuzzy. You're blending into the wall now because it's also fuzzy. Before long, everything is sort of uniform, but not. This is a mix of colors and stuff. And I also forget in that same progression, slowly start forgetting more and more of who I am until there is no me, There is no you. There's nothing. I don't remember anything. Because remembering is irrelevant here. Yeah, but I'm still perceiving. I've not stopped perceiving. Now I'm just seeing this mesh of colors. And now I start to decipher what this mesh of color means. And thus forming my new reality.

Cristina: That makes sense. Yes, that's probably it. Why wouldn't it be?

Jack: Why wouldn't it be? That's how we were born in the first place. We popped out, everything was a blur of colors. And we started just piecing together what that meant.

Cristina: Yeah, I think that sounds right. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. And we're like, okay, well, this mixture always means Mom. That mixture is always Mom. That's a chair over there. Some before long. Chair. Table. Mom. Christina. Tv.

Cristina: Red. Blue.

Jack: Red. Blue. Yeah, but then I'll forget all that s*** again.

Cristina: Yes, but there's never nothing.

Jack: Couldn't be. We couldn't perceive nothing. Otherwise it wouldn't be nothing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The moment we can perceive it, it's something.

Cristina: It's so confusing. It's not confusing, but it is complicated. Yeah.

Jack: It's possible to discuss. Impossible to imagine.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. What's less impossible is the. What's that thing we call now The Force? What are we calling it?

Jack: Yeah, the Force.

Cristina: The Force. Guess what? In. I'm not finished with the story, though. But I'm going to talk about what I've read so far.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: In Prince Lestat, the vampires, they're not just vampires. There's a starting point, if you remember from part two. There was the first vampire, but there was something that made the first vampire.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: It was some type of creature. I don't know what it is. When I picture the creature, it looks like the thing from Fullmetal Alchemist. The little black thing with an eye from the gate. From the Gate. Well, I don't know. But he was also in the real world with their dad. He had him in a little thing.

Jack: And pride was also made out of him.

Cristina: Oh, yes, yes. Well, that thing, he's in Prince Lest. That. Well, not. He's not in that story. Or maybe he is. I'm not sure. But whatever, he was in the First Vampire, and that's how the vampires were made. And in the newest book, there is a problem with creating vampires now. And a vampire's theory is that this thing that made the first vampire, it's. It's kind of like in all the vampires. And it's reached its limit of how far it could reach with its powers or whatever. Like it has a limit. It reminds me, though, of the Force and how we say if you use the Force too much. I don't remember what happens if you talk about how it's bad to use the Force too much. The dark side is bad to abuse it. Yes, it's bad to abuse it because.

Jack: Whatever, it'll turn on you.

Cristina: It'll turn. Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: You're weakening it or something.

Cristina: Yeah. So I feel like this story is pretty much following the rules, that all these other things that are like that are following.

Jack: That makes me think of the movie, the one. The one where Jet Li went around killing all the other versions of himself and every one of them he would kill would spread that one's energy amongst all the other versions of him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then where there were two, they were so inhumanly strong, they're superhuman.

Cristina: Yeah. Because that power has a limit.

Jack: Yes. So if that's what's happening in the story, then it's possible. If they just start killing vampires, the vampires who have those powers will get stronger progressively.

Cristina: Well, they get stronger progressively just by aging, too.

Jack: Yes, but if they murdered all the vampires.

Cristina: Well, there's maybe. I don't know what's happening in this world. But my guess is this creature is so tired of all the vampires that are around, it's trying to convince vampires, the older ones the strong ones to murder other vampires, all the weak ones because there's so many weak vampires. And I guess he's sick and tired of all these vampire. He's sick and tired of sharing this energy because it is him. And so he's getting these older vampires to kill them off because he is the energy. And I guess he's tired or he's being wasted and he's sick of it. So he needs some of them to die.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: Does that make sense? I feel like it makes. I don't know if that's what's happening, but that's what I think is happening.

Jack: It would make sense. Yeah. You did release some of the power and spread yourself less than.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: Makes sense.

Cristina: But I wonder if the force works like that too.

Jack: Possible.

Cristina: Like in the flash. It does seem like that.

Jack: Yes. There is the amount of force to go around. And if too many people are using it then other people don't have access to it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It is completely possible. Yes.

Cristina: It's interesting they all work like that.

Jack: Because you have to think that the universal energy that exists everywhere is being used by everybody. There is a sort of amount of individuals that could be tuned in at any one moment.

Cristina: There is an amount that there's.

Jack: Okay. Most people probably use the energy small time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So if somebody's using a f*** ton of it somewhere in the universe, 99.99% of everything is using fractions of it and doesn't even. Like they can still use it because the chunk free is so big by comparison that that small tiny chunk could still be spread out amongst a whole planet.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know like everybody on earth using it at the smallest percentage. A small fraction of the force can use the force at the same time that somebody else where is using 70% of it in one shot. Because that 25 is still a ton of energy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But now if two creatures or two civilizations decided to use 75% at the same time. We're not advanced enough to do that.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Or we haven't found things like that. And if we did, we could destroy this plan by acc. If somebody had that kind of power. But if somebody does and there's two of them, who knows how often these people are using it. So those people can't.

Cristina: Yeah. That would start a huge problem.

Jack: That would start a huge problem. Now we don't encounter that because we're primitive in every case. Whether it be magic, whether it be science, whatever the case, we're primitive.

Cristina: But if there's something on Earth right now because it reminds me of adrenochrome and towers falling for the blood. And what if that's also involved in.

Jack: It's not enough.

Cristina: It's not enough.

Jack: Small potatoes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We're talking even the gods from within Earth, Zeus, Jehovah, these people. Right.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They could both simultaneously use the energy and it would still not. They could both use as much as they know how. And there would still be energy to go around. And it would still be an insignificant amount because they're still regional. One is from Greek.

Cristina: Yeah. But there was still problems though. But I guess that's because with each other more than. I mean, like in their little groups. There was a bigger problem.

Jack: Yeah, but doesn't. We're talking about the force. It's not causing any force disturbance.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because they can both use it effectively.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we haven't drained. Now, if everybody on Earth had the same capacity to use it that Zeus and Jehovah did, would then. That created then. Or are we still talking small potatoes because it's still one planet.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's something out there so powerful it took over the Great Void.

Cristina: And how could that be? If there was a limit.

Jack: If there. There is a limit.

Cristina: If there.

Jack: But they were using. And keep in mind how small the Great Void is as compared to the rest of the universe. It's so small. We look and we got to look really far and we see it really small. We just know that it's huge because we still see it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But it's far and tiny. So that took an immense amount of energy.

Cristina: That definitely did. Yeah.

Jack: If somebody did that with raw power, not just science, but using some sort of power.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Can two beings do that? Now we're talking a different scale.

Cristina: Mm. And you think they can do that?

Jack: I think yes. I don't know. Can two at the same time. But also that's such a small amount. Like, how big is the power distribution we're talking about if it's using the entire universe, if the whole universe is using the same energy source.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: How big are we talking? And like, is our universe old enough to even have beings that can wield such exaggeration? Or has it been.

Cristina: It seems like we can't all share it though. Or if we're looking at like full metal alchemists. They needed to kill people to. To share it between the powerful people that are using or whatever. Or was that not needed for the energy to be used? I feel like it related.

Jack: No, because they are using something different. They use energy to make transmutation. You Mean philosopher stones.

Cristina: Okay, that's.

Jack: No, it's the same exchange. If every one transmutation required a death.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Right. Then the philosopher's stone is cashing in your deaths ahead of time to then use the power later.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Same concept.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's just. When are you paying?

Cristina: Yeah. That is so complicated. That's. That's. That show is just so dark. But there is a limit. But there's no way to reach that limit.

Jack: There is a way to reach that limit. We just don't know what.

Cristina: We can't reach it.

Jack: Yeah. And we can't fathom what would there should be. Because there is a limit.

Cristina: Has someone reached that limit?

Jack: Probably not. What is the lifetime of God? What. What. What numbers would we give if he can outlive our entire universe? In fact, our entire universe is the fraction of a second to God. But he lives 100 years his time. So if a fraction of a second. Right. We hadron collider. We smash two atoms together. Boom. The conditions of the universe. A whole civilization happens in that small space. A whole universe happens. Bunch of galaxies, bunch of planets, a bunch of civilizations. 50 trillion years go by and then that universe dies. Great. Sweet. Okay, fine. Universe is dead after trillions. That was a fraction of a second. How long in comparison to that fraction of a second will I. Is my time if I'm 100 years old and that's I'm just die at 100 normal a** f****** life. But that I'm the guy who smashed the two atoms together and made that. So in that timescale, we're now in the universe that is going to expire in 50 trillion years. But all of this has been a moment God doesn't even notice is happening because it's happening so quick.

Cristina: Yes, but we're somehow using his energy or.

Jack: Well, my point would be at that scale, what is a minute? What is a day? Could we fathom what a second is?

Cristina: No.

Jack: A second is long as h***. A second could be the entire. Actually this whole universe exists in less than one second of God.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: If we convert that to energy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's nothing like it's. It could expire.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In a normal. God is going to die in a.

Cristina: But it took a lot of energy to make us, though.

Jack: It took such insignificant energy to run the hadron colliders that we still have everything else in the planet working simultaneously.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Do you see?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just to smash two atoms together and create a whole universe. It took so little energy, most people don't even know that Machine exists.

Cristina: All right?

Jack: Nobody noticed anything happened.

Cristina: Everyone feared for the worst.

Jack: Nobody knew. That's all just stories from people who were looking into it.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Nobody knew what was happening. Oh, and it's happened many times.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, those are all fake stories.

Jack: So in these cases, one fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a second to a hundred years. So to a full life amount of energy, what is our universe? Insignificant?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's easy to waste the energy. Something could use it. Is there anything within here who could use it? I don't. F***.

Cristina: Probably not. Is adrenochrome the closest we get to that, though?

Jack: Adrenochrome? Isn't that. Is adrenochrome connected to the Force?

Cristina: I don't know. That's why I'm wondering. I'm wondering if it is.

Jack: No, I think adrenochrome is a shortcut.

Cristina: To what?

Jack: To not have to use the Force, but acquire all the same things. Okay. Think of what Alan Watt says. You could meditate into an entirely new perspective of viewing the world and understanding reality. Or you could f****** take acid. Like acid is good to show you the window. But learn how to get there on your own.

Cristina: Oh, okay. It's better to learn how to get there.

Jack: It's not better, it's just a different way. He suggests learn together on your own. But who cares if you can get there?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The point being that while we have. Actually, I have an idea. I lost my train of thought.

Cristina: We talk about how adrenochrome is a shortcut to blind.

Jack: Oh, yeah. Then adrenochrome would in any case be the asset. It's like the Force is the way there, but not everybody's connected to it. Not everybody has a He man sword or Power Ranger powers or f****** this or that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Jedi mind tricks or whatever. Sometimes you just take adrenochrome and you get there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's instant versus a bunch of Pragues and studying monks can get there. Spend their whole lives, mind you, instantly when you meet them, what the f*** is happening?

Cristina: Or take adrenochrome.

Jack: Take Adrenochrome.

Cristina: No practice.

Jack: But also the same things would happen. People who practice and learn how to use the things, are they out there causing trouble?

Cristina: Trouble? No, never. But they don't have withdrawal, which I guess is a good.

Jack: Yes, that's another good.

Cristina: That's a good thing.

Jack: But also they're not out there causing. Because they learn how to wield it. Yeah, but if you got the power overnight. Do you know how to wield it? No, you just got crazy abilities. It's the same idea of when we were having that episode about the mass shooting maybe two, three seasons ago, and me and Blake were talking about our guns bad and our people bad. And it's like, no, not really. Yes, people die all the time. But if you gave everybody a gun overnight. Well, actually, we're talking about the Internet particularly, which was. Is the Internet evil? It's like, no, the Internet is just a brand new creation. And we don't know what the f*** we're doing.

Cristina: We definitely don't know what we're doing with the Internet or with guns.

Jack: With the Internet or with guns. Well, we know how to use guns. More guns really don't cause that much of a problem.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If you gave everybody a gun, we kind of get it. But before anybody knew what a gun. This is how I proved my point. Before anybody knew what a gun was. If suddenly I invented guns today and I just happened to make enough of them to give everybody a gun. A lot of people are gonna die.

Cristina: Yes. No one knew about what it was.

Jack: Yeah, a lot of people are gonna die because we don't know what the f*** we're doing. Even after we see a couple of people dying, people can be. Well, I could defend my house with her. I could do this without. People are gonna shoot each other because we don't know what the f*** we're doing. Same goes for the Internet. We don't know what the f*** we're doing. We're just screaming at each other because we don't know what the f*** we're doing.

Cristina: Yes. Because they're complicated. Because people shoot themselves.

Jack: Yeah, but those are accidents. That. That doesn't happen often.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's probably the. In Earth history, every year, maybe 10 people shoot themselves by accident.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Like, it's not worth the mention.

Cristina: Okay, but it happened.

Jack: Yes, but also some dude fell upstairs. That's also something that happened once. Like, it's fine once in a.

Cristina: Like, I don't know, just once.

Jack: Weird things happen. Never. Look at the anecdotal anomaly that doesn't fall into the act.

Cristina: Like the lady who killed her husband with a squirrel or something.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like when the only one time in a lifetime.

Jack: Yeah. Like, it's pointless to be like, well, that one thing happened. Like, who gives a s***? It'll never happen again.

Cristina: Yeah. Unless we got to worry about people trying to kill other people with squirrels. That becomes a thing.

Jack: Those circumstances are so highly specific.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They don't matter.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. With all that comes the equivalent of the Force, and we can't do that. We. With something we don't know how to use, which is how we end up with people just having withdrawal, desperately trying to get as much adrenochrome as possible, doing weird things and abusing their power. Meanwhile, the people who practice to get to the same place don't give a. Yeah, they're just enjoying it.

Cristina: Yeah. Cool.

Jack: Interesting point, now that I think about it, though.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Thinking about Hitler and his army and Jehovah and his army and Zeus and his army, essentially. Maybe the same person, whatever this army was, was definitely tuned into the Force themselves, wasn't it? Not Hitler's army.

Cristina: Well, we don't know for sure.

Jack: But like Jehovah's army, just humans, not even demigods, just humans who tuned into the Force and collectively, quite some power. Not only is the leader, the most powerful, most ruthless, most dangerous one, and the one we all know about and refer to the rest of the movement as, but all the other people also, they learn and they practice and they studied together.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they could know how to use the Force and with that, use the power to suppress everyone else.

Cristina: Yeah. That's so weird because I was thinking about giants and how, like, what if they're the ones using adrenochrome because they're doing weird things, too, besides that they're giant. They're usually doing the weird same things that the gods are doing. They have a different title and they look different, obviously, but they're doing pretty much the same things. They're kind of equal.

Jack: What do you mean by doing the same things?

Cristina: Like, they can do the same powers or they have the same strength or whatever. You want to describe it, they turn into birds. They turn into birds. Like, there's no difference except for their title.

Jack: So you're saying God is a title to a type of human?

Cristina: Yes, they're calling themselves gods, and we call them gods because they call themselves gods and they call themselves giants. So we do the same.

Jack: Maybe they didn't call themselves any of that and we called them all that.

Cristina: Okay. But they were still both. Like, what's the difference of the two groups?

Jack: There's no difference. It's just two different, like, ethnic groups at most using the Force, Adrenochrome or the Force. Or in any case, maybe one was using one and the other was using the other. It looks like outside of religion, people aim towards other means. Witchcraft. You don't need blood for f****** witchcraft unless you're doing black magic, which is circling right back to the same s***.

Cristina: You just reminded me. God needs blood. So they're the ones doing a dream of Chrome. If anyone's doing adrenochrome, it's the gods.

Jack: Yeah, well, again, like what I'm saying, anybody outside of religion is doing magic. They're doing meditation. They're doing.

Cristina: They're using the forest.

Jack: They're using the forest. Anybody within religion, it's a whole different story. Using adrenochrome, they're cheating. They don't have the natural ability. Although they go around telling everybody. Everyone else is using the bad thing, but everybody else is doing what? Using nature.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So a quick example would be, right, you go to church and they tell you we're going to chant together, and you are going to pretend to drink blood and pretend to eat flesh. Sit down, shut up and listen to me. Good guys, according to themselves. And then they'll point at the other side and be like, those are the bad guys. What are the bad guys doing? Stay in touch with nature.

Cristina: Yes, that's what I was going to say. Instead of listening to what someone else is saying, you're listening to nature and hearing what it tells you.

Jack: Yeah. Be introspective. Ask what's right and what's wrong. Question everything. The. The story of the apple. Why is God so dedicated to not having Adam and Eve eat the apple? It's like, why don't you want them to. You made the perfect things. You don't want them to have knowledge.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Why don't you want them to have not? Of course, chances are he found that f****** garden.

Cristina: I don't think he ate that apple.

Jack: I don't think God was a. God wasn't allowed to eat that.

Cristina: He wasn't allowed to. He was like, you guys can't have it because I can't have it.

Jack: I think that's exactly what happened. I think God was not allowed to eat the apple. And he is an angry and jealous God according to himself.

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: So if he was angry that he couldn't and jealous that they could. No, f*** it. My God doesn't talk to them. I'm not gonna let them eat either.

Cristina: Except that they. Because he's not perfect. Like, whoever made him. Or not as perfect, you know, whatever.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: They could not listen to him, which he has to, I guess, listen to whoever made him.

Jack: Yes. He can't actually eat the apple. There's nothing he could do to eat that apple. Yeah, but they could.

Cristina: But they could. Yes. And they did What? That makes sense.

Jack: God doesn't have all the information. It's possible Adam and Eve had more information. Yep.

Cristina: Whoa. Do you think they shared it with us? Did we bury that information?

Jack: No, I think we actively suppress that information. I think religion does a pretty good effort of trying to suppress the real information that's out there, while Adam and Eve knew the real information that was out there. But we cut their stories short and remove what they're saying a lot of the time.

Cristina: This is because there is no story. They just gave birth to a bunch of children. The end.

Jack: Yeah. We don't talk about the fact that they knew everything.

Cristina: Yeah. Did they teach their children? Yeah. I don't know. That's interesting. What if God couldn't eat the apple?

Jack: It's doubtful that he could. Yeah, he probably never eat the apple. He probably didn't make that garden. That cartoon is just his home. It's his fishbowl.

Cristina: It's his fishbowl.

Jack: It's his fishbowl to where something greater is just watching God.

Cristina: But then when he kicked them out, what did he kick them out into?

Jack: The world.

Cristina: The world? Is that inside his fishbowl?

Jack: No, he kicked them out of the.

Cristina: Fishbowl where he lives.

Jack: He lives. God can't leave the fishbowl. That's why he's obligated to do other things, to communicate. For whatever reason, Lucifer and Jehovah are bound to their respective locations because they have to do other things to communicate. They have to send a physical. Not physical, but like an energy based thing. Talk to you through a bush. Talk to you through your dreams. Send the messenger angel because he cannot leave.

Cristina: Oh, crap. He is trapped wherever he is.

Jack: God is in prison.

Cristina: Yes. He's in prison. No. I don't know.

Jack: He's trapped wherever he is. He has messengers for days and he has tricks for days. I can talk to you through any number of. Why don't you come down?

Cristina: I'll blind you.

Jack: He's got excuses. Oh, like, bro, you've destroyed the earth many times.

Cristina: Doesn't matter.

Jack: You don't care. No, but he's trapped wherever he is. It's a fishbowl.

Cristina: It's a fishbowl. Yes.

Jack: And it's probably the garden.

Cristina: But is that fishbowl near here? In here? In this reality?

Jack: Could be. Maybe. Could be a pocket dimension.

Cristina: A pocket dimension.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And it could be that in kicking people out, he sent them out to the earth where they weren't meant to be. Maybe that's why we're destroying Earth. We weren't meant to be here. We were all supposed to be in this garden that would grow proportionately with the number of people that are in there for all of infinity. The garden would always be the right size for the number of people there. Yes, but the planet doesn't grow by itself.

Cristina: No. That's interesting.

Jack: We sent out people who were never meant to die in the first place. Also in the garden. They were immortal.

Cristina: They were immortal. Okay.

Jack: Ate the apple and then were kicked out and given mortality. I don't think that's how that story really goes. I think as long as you're in the garden, you're mortal, you're immortal, and as long as you're outside of the garden, you're mortal. Maybe God is too old to leave the garden. He might die instantaneously. It's like if Dorian Gray looked at his picture 200 years later.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He would immediately age to the age he should have been.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Maybe God would immediately age to the age it should be and die instantaneously.

Cristina: If he leaves the garden. Whoa.

Jack: If he leaves the garden, the garden is keeping him immortal.

Cristina: Mm. What? I wonder if there's other magical creatures there, though. I mean, not magical, but talkative, I guess. Like the talking snake.

Jack: The talking snake, which is also in the Bible. Not even really Lucifer. I don't know what that's about.

Cristina: It's a snake, and it talks. Were there other animals or the talking birds? Yeah.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. It is fascinating to think about that. That maybe the source of his mortality, immortality, is the garden.

Cristina: Like the first story, though, of Lilith. Was she kicked out of the garden? Was she still living in the garden? I don't know, because she was still able to rape Adam and stuff, but.

Jack: I don't know, man. Now, the question here would be God trying to make another God. He's managing everything with messengers from within the fishbowl. So he sends messengers, tries to navigate how things happen, tricks people into doing things, causes tragedies, and once in a while, attacks directly.

Cristina: Yes. To attacks Earth.

Jack: Yeah. But he's doing all of this from the fishbowl, which is why we never see him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The closest thing he got was that clever trick of Jesus. He's like, well, I found the way to convert my energy into this other being that's sort of me, but not me. But he can be outside without me dying in here. And I can see through his eyes and I can move him around, but I'm gonna be limited in information and limited in ability.

Cristina: It feels like he's already really limited in many ways.

Jack: Compared to us, he's not. Yeah, he's way more free than we could ever be. But then Jesus is human, so, like, he's limited if you're comparing him to omniscience.

Cristina: Yeah, but, like, as far as humans.

Jack: Go, he's not limited by anything.

Cristina: Yeah. And.

Jack: And then there's Jesus is way out of the bubble until Jesus dies, until he gets killed. Because he's not infinitely powerful, that version of him is still mortal. It was the only way he could get outside of the bubble without him leaving the bubble.

Cristina: Personally, do you think he's gotten out of the bubble after that, though? Why would he just stop at Jesus?

Jack: Maybe he hasn't. Maybe he hasn't. Maybe he's many different people throughout time. This is the only way to experience anything.

Cristina: Yeah. Think he brought anyone back into that bubble? He kicked people out. And we know about those stories, but who says he hasn't kidnapped people? Unless that's what those stories of people going, there was a guy who just walked into heaven. I don't know who he was, but he walked up the stairs to heaven or something like that. Is he in the garden right now?

Jack: Heaven is not the garden.

Cristina: Heaven's not the garden. Where's God? He's not in heaven. Then.

Jack: God is not in heaven.

Cristina: He's in the garden.

Jack: God is in the garden.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Heaven is some other realm.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like h*** is probably just a shadow realm.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we call it some other crap, but ironically, angels come from there.

Cristina: So heaven and h*** could be the same place.

Jack: No, I think the liars that we know as Jehovah and his army, who say we're not only omniscient, but like, we're the good guys. And it's like you're the only guy who's drinking blood, so maybe you're not. Maybe the people who are like, go be one with nature are definitely on the right track. And you calling them the devil and then going and drinking blood, maybe you're wrong. But chances are more reason to go back into the shadow realm that the garden is located inside the shadow realm.

Cristina: The garden's in the shadow realm. But you don't think heaven.

Jack: It's already in a different plane.

Cristina: Do you think heaven's not a place then?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: What do you think? That's a lie.

Jack: It's possible that either heaven or h*** is the shadow realm.

Cristina: Okay. Because I feel like it has both creatures. So it's most likely that all those locations are the same location.

Jack: It could be that all the other s*** is the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Yeah. So. Oh, back to the Shadow Realm.

Jack: And in the Shadow Realm, Somewhere in the Shadow Realm, this weird mazy confusing. Every direction leads to every direction mass there is the garden.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which God cannot leave.

Cristina: Except wait, I just remembered. He's a beaver here right now.

Jack: You're right. He's a beaver on this side. Well, he's actually a beaver groundhog. And he isn't even over here.

Cristina: Well, we don't know where he is.

Jack: We don't know. He could be a groundhog on this side. Or he's over there and he manifests as a groundhog on this side.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because his actual form is a groundhog. If he's over here, he's pretending, but he's over there. And people fearing for their weather conditions and season report for their crops. And we're going to be broke this year. That fear allows him to manifest and talk to them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So he could just be a being from the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: He could be okay. Yes. So the best choice is just to wait then. Just gotta be patient for him to pop up. Because we know when and where.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: So we'll get that groundhog.

Jack: Definitely. It's pretty interesting.

Cristina: That is. And if we somehow miss the groundhog wasn't there. I keep saying beaver, but I'm pretty sure in another country it's the talking beaver that gives them the weather. I think it was like different animals in different locations, but they're all around the world. The groundhog is just the closest one to us, so it'd be easiest to get him.

Jack: Fair. And I'm assuming every one of those regions has different gods as well. And different gods pretend to be different things as well as different kinds of ghosts and entities of those natures. Which goes to show that gods are just demigods who happen to inhabit certain regions of the Earth. Yeah, that's fascinating. And as for groundhogs and s***, My voice is almost recovered after he got bitten by that stupid f****** groundhog.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Soon I'll be back at a hundred percent. I can almost do high notes. Almost.

Cristina: So what are you right now, 75?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Awesome.

Jack: I'm getting there. I'm getting there.

Cristina: Everyone's worried about you. There's like hundreds of thank you letters. I don't know why. Thank you.

Jack: Yes. Many, many thank you letters.

Cristina: It's really confusing.

Jack: Yes. They all heard I was hurt and they're all just thanking me.

Cristina: I think they think you're dying. Like this is it for you.

Jack: They think this is it.

Cristina: Yeah. So they're like, thank you for host. You're gonna be soon replaced by you again. But we want to thank you for the time you've been with us.

Jack: Yeah. It won't matter. They won't tell the difference.

Cristina: They won't tell the difference. No. So. But whatever they. They consider it if this is your passing away moment. But you're saying it's not.

Jack: I'm saying it's not. But thank you for all the thank you letters that we've received over the last couple of days following the previous episode where I talked about getting bitten by the groundhog that was just a normal non radioactive groundhog.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So thank you for all the thank you letters that we've gotten. It's great that that happened, I guess. You're welcome.

Cristina: You're welcome.

Jack: Welcome to all of you.

Cristina: Because this is it. I mean, this is the show. That's what you said in the beginning. This is the show.

Jack: This is the show. Yeah, it's the show. Anyways, so. Yeah. Hope you guys have some ideas or thoughts on anything we discussed right now. It'd be interesting to hear what you guys have to say about this. Is it making more sense? Are we reflecting defining what God is that we unmutty the Bible by saying that God is a groundhog from the shadow realm that exists inside of a fishbowl dimension that is known as the Garden of Eden and that humans are.

Cristina: Have the force and have adrenochrome as the shortcut force?

Jack: Yes, yes. We're just clarifying all the things. You guys know, you guys know how we do. We give you information. A little bit of good, a little bit of bad, some of the do's and don'ts. And this is my. Before you buy.

Cristina: What are they buying?

Jack: I don't know. Isn't that what that guy's friends, what is it? Some of the good, some of the bad. You know how we do. Before you buy. Anyways, yeah. I hope you guys enjoyed this conversation. If you guys want more conversations of this nature, there are many. And the most recent episodes we've been sort of circling these topics, refining them. That way we know what our next steps are going to be. And you can find more episodes like that or like this or like any thing. Essentially, we cover everything under the sun. You can find that on Greathoughts.

Cristina: We have hundreds of episodes.

Jack: Yes. You can find that on greatthoughts.info on Apple Podcasts or Spotify or anywhere you get your podcasts.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook. Twitter, Instagram and TikTok. UsConvopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe, rate, and review the show, because that's always great to hear what you guys are thinking. So please go. If you're listening right now, if you made it this far, go review. Go review. You heard this far and you haven't left a review, go review and tell us what you genuinely thought. Take a moment, do it right now. It'll be awesome.

Cristina: And then we'll have to include an emoji.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: For this episode. What is it gonna be?

Jack: I don't know. Put a smiley of some sort.

Cristina: The one with the hearts.

Jack: No, put a poop emoji.

Cristina: Poop emoji. Okay.

Jack: There you go.

Cristina: Put a poop emoji, a true, honest review of the show, and a poof.

Jack: And a poop emoji at the true, honest review of the show, the right amount of stars that you believe we deserve, and then a poop emoji. Go do that now.

Cristina: Yes. And let someone who might like the show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth, incredibly powerful. And we're refining the meaning of science, religion, philosophy and everything. We're making it one. So, you know, tell people. Tell people who are trapped.

Cristina: They have to know.

Jack: Yeah. Tell people who are trapped in one of those systems so they can be trapped in all of them with us.

Cristina: Yes. Wow. This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. It's very complicated.

Cristina: What made you think of that, though?

Jack: I don't know. I was just. It's just an im. I don't know what the f*** I was even doing, but the images popped into my head. I'm like, how weird and fat. I've been thinking about it for, like, a week straight.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah. I'm like, this is so trippy.

Cristina: Is the Blue's Clues thing trippy, too, or not as trippy?

Jack: Holy sh. I didn't even connect those dots. I didn't think about it. But, yeah, it's kind of crazy. Blue skirt, dude, we can, too. Then they hop into a f******. But they live in a jumbled f****** mess.

Cristina: They do.

Jack: Weird to assume the coyote and the Roadrunner exists in, like, a relative reality.

Cristina: Or whatever, but the weird thing about them is that they can't normally jump into pictures. They have to announce that they're using Blue's powers of jumping into pictures.

Jack: What the f*** is Blue? Blue's some, like, mythical creature with powers, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like his.

Cristina: Blue, like the roadrunner. They have special powers.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no, no, no. The Roadrunner is like Wile E. Coyote sometimes. Wile E. Coyote can break the laws of physics, too. It could break reality in his own instances. While Blue seems to kind of be like an omniscient God in his world or some s***, where he can however he wants. He's kind of like Deadpool.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning.

Jack: The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by.

Cristina: Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth.

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November 06, 2021

Rambling 150: Shadow God

November 06, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

Is there a pattern in Groundhog God’s behavior? Is there a pattern in which other God’s we see? Why is Adrenochrome so prominent in everything the underworld offers throughout the course of history? Is the point of reality Adrenochrome related? After being attacked by a rabid groundhog, the due decide to unpack the connection of God, Groundhogs, Adrenochrome and Technology. Additionally delving into the Facebook Metaverse name change and what their new artificial reality will be capable of. What the duo uncovers about the metaverse is a flash from the past no one could have seen coming!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Groundhog God
Facebook’s Metaverse
Androids
Elon Musk
Ugandan Knuckles
Genocidal Jack
Illuminati Clones
Caligrians
The Clone Origins
Planet X
The Death Star
Cat People
The Shadow Realm
Yu-Gi-Oh

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Cristina: Welcome to Just Conversation, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

Cristina: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Jack: Yes, and also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss. So be sure to find somebody to listen to this show with. That's always the most important part. You go find somebody. Ah, my throat hurts so much it's crazy.

Cristina: Why? What's wrong with your throat?

Jack: You know what's wrong with my throat.

Cristina: You got Covid.

Jack: I got Covid. Can you imagine? Just be here in the. In the showroom, recording. I got Covid. Everybody's getting Covid. We're all catching COVID Because I brought Covid.

Cristina: Yeah, it's crazy, because you got the shot. What was it you told Clevername? You got it 7 times already?

Jack: 17 times.

Cristina: 17 times the shot.

Jack: 17 times the most vaccinated human, and.

Cristina: You still caught it.

Jack: And I still caught it.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: And it's killing me.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I'm probably going to be replaced soon with another clone.

Cristina: Clone.

Jack: Hopefully I make it. I mean, that was the goal, right? I caught the COVID and that's not even why I sound the way I do. No, that's unrelated.

Cristina: That's unrelated. Yes.

Jack: I just have Covid. That's another fact. Yeah, I just have Covid, But I was trying to beat the COVID with a beaver. With a.

Cristina: No. Groundhog. Yeah, they're all the same. Okay. Groundhog.

Jack: Yeah, they're close.

Cristina: They're close, you know?

Jack: God d***. But my throat hurts so much. So I'll fill you guys in with what happened. So I went out with some of the subhumans, and we decided we're going to go catch groundhog God, Jehovah. But I also decided we can get a normal groundhog and try to create a groundhog God. The groundhog God, like Jehovah. And so we went and we caught a normal groundhog, and we trapped it, and I was gonna inject it with some adrenochrome to see what would happen when the m*********** bit me in the neck.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: So were you able to inject it afterwards? Yeah. Okay, so, like, I'm not gonna have, like, groundhog powers or anything, which would be dope.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Depending on what that would be, I guess.

Cristina: What do you mean? Any power should be a dope power.

Jack: I suppose.

Cristina: What would be a bad power?

Jack: I don't know, like I become a groundhog or I'm like a human size. Think about like the. The Beast from X Men.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like his life sucks. Or think about the thing from the Fantastic Four. Yeah, I get. Yeah, that's garbage, bro.

Cristina: I mean, as superheroes, it's fine dope. But in their normal lives as human beings, I guess that it sucks.

Jack: Yeah. Like, if I turned into. It would suck if I inj with adrenochrome and bites me and then I become like a giant groundhog.

Cristina: Yeah. That still speaks and everything.

Jack: Like, yeah, that sucks.

Cristina: Yeah, that sucks.

Jack: Oh, so, yeah, it sucks to talk. It hurts. It's. It. I sound weird.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like, it's hard to even explain what's going on because it caught me on the right side of the neck. So it didn't hit like the jugular vein or any important thing.

Cristina: You didn't bleed out.

Jack: And like we have all the secret Illuminati medication. So, like, I'm not going to get rabies or anything. Although, like, we had cures for like normal people can access cures for rabies, but I got like mega cure for rabies. So that's all stuff that's happening. But like, I can't do high pitched.

Cristina: Sounds or it will kill you.

Jack: Yeah, man, it hurts. I might die if I do some. Any kind of high octave thing where not even.

Cristina: What if you accidentally do a high octave and then you die in this while we're recording this?

Jack: That would be tragic. But then I would be replaced immediately by a more clear sounding clone.

Cristina: So should we try to kill you?

Jack: No, because I like living. That's a fact.

Cristina: Sure.

Jack: Yeah. I enjoy being alive quite a bit.

Cristina: All right, just checking.

Jack: Yeah. So that's what's happening over here. Just a lot of.

Cristina: So we couldn't find the groundhog God, though.

Jack: We haven't done that yet. We haven't even gone out to find out if there is a groundhog God that we're gonna catch. We're presuming that that's the thing, and it probably is.

Cristina: Realistically, I thought we were doing that. And you also wanted to test out if you could turn one into the God.

Jack: We're gonna go. We're hunting to see where we're gonna find groundhog God. We gotta look in the area where the groundhog that predicts the weather or whatever the f***.

Cristina: I think that's in Philadelphia. Right. I don't know. Maybe. His name is Phil, I'm assuming. Yes.

Jack: His name is Phil, therefore he is from Philadelphia.

Cristina: He's named after the location he lives. Positive.

Jack: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: PPP Yeah, I think so. Phil from Pennsylvania.

Cristina: Well, his name is like two Peas, so it would be PPP Why is.

Jack: His name two Peas?

Cristina: Because it's the town he's from.

Jack: Starts with a P. No f****** way.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Really?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Isn't Philadelphia the town he's in?

Cristina: No, that's not really the town he's in. It's another town that starts with a P. Really? Yeah.

Jack: That's a fact.

Cristina: Yes. It's a really complicated word, though.

Jack: Okay. Like Poughkeepsie.

Cristina: Poughkeepsie. What is a Poughkeepsie?

Jack: It's a town.

Cristina: What town? Where is it?

Jack: I don't know where it is.

Cristina: Why do you know it's.

Jack: The name of the town is Poughkeepsie. And I don't know why I know things. I don't know the answers to stuff, but. Yeah. So today's show is brought to you by the letter H and the letter P. P. And you put them together and it equals gaining Life.

Cristina: Gaining. His name is Punksu. To.

Jack: Phil.

Cristina: Yes, Phil. I said Phil. Right. And that P word is in Pennsylvania. So you see, it was pretty on it.

Jack: Yeah, I guess so. It is in Pennsylvania.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So he's from. Yeah, it's. His name is PP from pp.

Cristina: He's PP from pp?

Jack: Yeah, he's PP from pp. This is a very adult, mature content show. We are only.

Cristina: That's why we're not laughing.

Jack: We're only. Yeah. Because there's nothing funny about Peepee from pp.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Them be the facts.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Facts aren't meant to be funny.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They're just objective truths.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we gotta go there and hunt God.

Cristina: Yes. How are we gonna go there? I mean, it's not even that far, is it?

Jack: No, that's incredibly close.

Cristina: Why haven't we found him yet?

Jack: Because it's a large area.

Cristina: Are you sure? What if that town is very tiny? I don't know.

Jack: Pennsylvilladelphia?

Cristina: No. Punxus. Whatever. The P word. That. He's from the town.

Jack: Oh, s***. He's named after the town.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Punxutaway.

Cristina: Let's just say he's from Pun. Okay.

Jack: Yeah, whatever. It doesn't matter where he's from. We're gonna go there and we're gonna. Cat.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It is what it is, man.

Cristina: Did you murder that thing? No, we're just watching and waiting.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah, pretty much.

Cristina: What if he becomes you?

Jack: I highly doubt that. You, like, eat a piece of me?

Cristina: No. But he bit you.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That would be enough to turn you into beaver.

Jack: Groundhog.

Cristina: Groundhog. What if he turned into a groundhog?

Jack: He wasn't radioactive or anything.

Cristina: How do you know? Did you check if he was before you did it?

Jack: He wasn't normal.

Cristina: Did you check, though, before?

Jack: Yes, that was the point. We couldn't have an already modified groundhog and give it adrenochrome.

Cristina: Well, I thought you just got a random groundhog and maybe forgot to check it.

Jack: No, we are professionals.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Yeah, it was just a groundhog.

Cristina: So what powers would you want from a groundhog, though? You don't want to turn into one, I guess.

Jack: But what power does a groundhog have? Didn't we go through this once where you talked about the powers of a groundhog or some?

Cristina: I think so. I talked about other. Other animals.

Jack: Really? I don't know. It could dig.

Cristina: Well, it could dig. So you're gonna. That's the power you want?

Jack: Just dig underground?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Unrealistically fast. They don't even dig really fast. Like it isn't astounding.

Cristina: It's probably equal to you digging.

Jack: Yeah. It's not crazy, you know?

Cristina: Yeah. Do they at least have good vision in the dark?

Jack: Probably not.

Cristina: Probably. Oh.

Jack: They don't need to see too much when they're in a hole in the dark. There's no light in there.

Cristina: Shouldn't they be seeing? Well, no, they're not like moles or something.

Jack: In order to have night vision like other animals, do you usually have a little bit of light? It's the ability to see in low light.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Isn't light coming into your eyes? You can't see Like a cat in straight up darkness is still blind. So in a hole like that, it doesn't matter.

Cristina: Okay. And it can't develop those other powers that the moles have, like being able.

Jack: To feel where everything is. Yeah, I guess it could, but the mole did that already, so.

Cristina: But you wouldn't want that power.

Jack: Well, I wouldn't get that from a groundhog, no. Yeah. Groundhog doesn't give us that kind of stuff.

Cristina: What if you were furry as one?

Jack: That sucks. I just described.

Cristina: No, you don't want to be. You're not going to be a giant groundhog. You're still human.

Jack: No, I don't want to be furry at all. That sucks.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I want to look like a groundhog in any manner, shape or form. Not even fur wise.

Cristina: I wonder what powers they have. They have to have something that makes them special besides predicting the future.

Jack: I don't care. That groundhog. What have you been up to?

Cristina: What have I been up to?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Hiding from Mark Zuckerberg.

Jack: Mark Zuckerfucker? Why?

Cristina: His commercial scares me.

Jack: The Metaverse commercial?

Cristina: He's so not human.

Jack: What's not human about him?

Cristina: Just him talking. It's just. It does feel like he's pretending to be Data from Star Trek. It's so crazy that he's just trying to be normal and it's not coming off as normal.

Jack: Well, he's a weird guy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like he has little option to what he can do to fix that. Like he is who he is.

Cristina: Like he's trying to play around with what we. How we see him. But it's really hard not to see him as how we see him.

Jack: Yeah, like his joke. Oh, I thought I was the robot.

Cristina: Yes, like that. It doesn't help.

Jack: Well, it get. It shows us that he gets what's happening. Like he understands that we believe that.

Cristina: Yes, but it didn't help. I don't know, it convinced me more that he's a robot.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Cuz it's something. I don't know. Maybe it's that weird. He's Data. He's a robot. He's whatever Data is. What is Data? He's a robot. Completely. He's something else.

Jack: He's a fool.

Cristina: Yeah, he's a robot.

Jack: Yeah, he's an Android. His robot made to simulate a person.

Cristina: I think Mark is that. I think Mark is an Android.

Jack: And who made him?

Cristina: Elon Musk.

Jack: That'd be an interesting. And like, I wouldn't put it past him, you know?

Cristina: Yes. He didn't probably plan on him making Facebook or any of that. He just made a robot just to see what would happen. And then that robot did all this other stuff that Elon wasn't predicting at all. He just made the robot for fun.

Jack: Or maybe he did plan on him making Facebook.

Jack: Maybe he's pulling all the strings.

Cristina: Why would he care about Facebook?

Jack: He has everybody's information.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Why are all his companies so successful?

Cristina: Because of Facebook. No.

Jack: Elon Musk. Yeah, he knows what people want.

Cristina: Oh. Because he knows what people want and.

Jack: He builds an entire company around the concept of what people want.

Cristina: But he hangs out on Twitter and on Facebook.

Jack: Unless he does, he doesn't need to hang out on Facebook because Zucker F***** does. He not only the Creator of Facebook. But he exists inside Facebook, reading all the data and then he just reports back to Elon Musk and gives him all the data he's discovered.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: In summarized versions that provide the most efficient knowledge.

Cristina: What kind of information does he need?

Jack: Well, what are people talking about these days? What's the most talked about?

Cristina: Conspiracies? I don't know.

Jack: And he solves them. He probably the guy who tells Trump what to do. When we were talking about the guy on top who tells everybody else what to do. It's probably Elon Musk. He's probably the boss of the queen and everything. He's the guy on top. If we just follow every line to the top. Elon Musk is at the top of every line.

Cristina: That's a little hard to imagine. Well, okay.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because. Over the queen.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: How did he do it?

Jack: Science.

Cristina: Science got him there. Whoa.

Jack: The power of science got Elon Musk on top. Yeah. I think that's definitely what's going on. Used the power of science in a virtual world.

Cristina: What is your avatar gonna look like?

Jack: What? In the metaverse? In the Facebook metaverse.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: You can make it look like yourself, which is a weird choice to go with.

Jack: You could exist in a fictional world and you're just gonna make you.

Cristina: Yeah, because one of the people in that commercial just was themselves.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like a hologram version of themselves.

Jack: Yeah. Is that what he really believes is going to happen?

Cristina: That people are going to do that? You know what? I'm going to be right.

Jack: What are you going to be?

Cristina: The little round knuckles running around Uganda Knuckles. Yeah.

Jack: Oh, my God. I know that's going to happen. Isn't. Wait, isn't that a metaverse? What the f*** was that?

Cristina: Yeah, that is. I don't know. What's it called, what game that is or where that's.

Jack: Yeah, they invaded that s*** hard.

Cristina: And it's going to go in Facebook.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uganda Knuckles will live again.

Cristina: Yeah, but what would your character look like?

Jack: Probably Uganda Knuckles as well.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I joined that movement immediately.

Cristina: Yes. Gotta make it happen.

Jack: Yeah. It'll be amazing. Can you imagine another army of Uganda knuckles just trolling until that avatar gets banned again?

Cristina: Yes. You gotta. Well, what does he do? Stalk girls and say something? I forgot what he says.

Jack: He shows you the way.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. He shows you the way.

Jack: Shows you the way. Brada.

Cristina: Yes. Can't wait.

Jack: You do not know the way.

Cristina: Yes. That man. I wonder what else. I don't know.

Jack: That was a good brief Moment in history. Yeah, it was great.

Cristina: And I guess you gotta make a character, like, I don't know, a video game character that you, like, you could just put in. I wonder.

Jack: No, I'm gonna just be some chick.

Cristina: I'm just gonna be some chick.

Jack: Yeah, I'm a troll. Guys get free. So you do you dress up like a chicken? Nerds. Wanna. You or your avatar.

Cristina: Your avatar?

Jack: Yeah, I do it all the time, man. I play chicks and games.

Cristina: And they give you stuff.

Jack: Yeah, they just want to f*** my avatar.

Cristina: Oh, do you let them f*** your avatar? No, no. Okay.

Jack: I flirt with them, though, you know, in game. Flirting, winks and highs. And I follow them around. They're like, oh, yeah, I got a video game girl.

Cristina: Then you murder them.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do that kind of often.

Cristina: You're serial killer.

Jack: I kind of am, dude.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, let's be real. Let's be real. Totally out of character right now. Just me, the real clone, and, like, worker for the Illuminati. None of this other s*** I pretend to be, Right? This is who I really, truly, honestly am.

Cristina: You, Jack the River.

Jack: I kind of murder a lot. Let's look at my track record, right? Video games. Just going through video games before we get to the bigger picture. I consistently. But I'm not like. Like, let's think of like Grand Theft Auto, right? I don't go around just casually murdering people.

Cristina: No, you do. On the Red Dead.

Jack: Well, the problem is I'll go and I'll randomly, in gta, go into a bunk after the lobby has pacified and there's no chaos happening. And what will I do? I'll get an armored truck that nobody could blow up. Oh, I'll go outside and just start f****** people up with that truck, sending the entire lobby into a frenzy of murdering one another.

Cristina: Why would you.

Jack: And then I'll stop murdering people.

Cristina: Poor kid.

Jack: I don't know. Because I can.

Cristina: Because you can.

Jack: In Red Dead, I passively go wave at somebody. Go chill with them, follow them around.

Cristina: They think, oh, yeah, Pretend to be their buddy.

Jack: Yeah, we're gonna go do things together. And then when they least expect it, I blow their f****** brains out.

Cristina: And then run away.

Jack: And then run away. Then they can't find me.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And I make sure they know I'm still in the world. But I quick travel somewhere they can't find me. And then I leave the nearest town, and then they can't find me. If they're traveling from down to town, they gotta find me in the middle of West Bubba F*** killer.

Cristina: I guess that's not a serial killer because you're not hunting specific people or anything.

Jack: No, I'm just a mass murderer.

Cristina: Mass murderer? Yeah, that's the right word.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: If we talk about the real world, though, what you did with the cockroach people is mass murder.

Jack: Yeah. It's genocide.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's a lot. A lot of life. I killed a lot of Reptilians, but there's a lot alive resistant slaves. Like, a lot of them.

Cristina: Yeah. Not as bad as what we did with the cockroach Fuel.

Jack: No, nothing. Nothing beats that. That was way early, before we understood what we were dealing with. Before s*** got weird and there was a bunch of other s*** happening. But, yeah, we. We f***** that up. I did end up marrying one of the survivors, huh?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: My wife is a giant cockroach.

Cristina: Mm. Does she scare? Is she afraid of you? I don't understand. How did it happen?

Jack: She understands.

Cristina: She understands that she.

Jack: But it was Amy.

Cristina: It wasn't this you. It was before you became you.

Jack: I don't. I don't know what the canon of this show is. I don't know the lore. So, like, somebody needs to explain this to me. Am I the one who's the same killer? Is anybody listening? Who, like, kept track of this? Because I don't know. And I'm not going to go back and find out. Like, go listen to everything and tell me, am I the same guy who destroyed that planet, destroyed Mars with cockroaches on it? Or was it like a previous clone? Or, like, what the f***? I don't know.

Cristina: And which version of you did the time machine and which version of me? Because I don't think it was the one before the real you. I don't think it was that you, but I don't think it's this you either. I think there's just another you out there.

Jack: That's the thing.

Cristina: Unrelated, I think there's two.

Jack: I think there's two mews.

Cristina: Besides the one that was kill trying to kill you. Besides that you that's might still also be out there.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, no. He killed Jermaine. There might be three of us.

Cristina: Exactly. There's three of yous out here.

Jack: See, this is why we need somebody who listens to this show religiously to, like, build. Build this narrative so we can see and, like, tell me, I want to know. Which are you, which am I?

Cristina: Which you is you.

Jack: I know I'm number three, you're for.

Cristina: Sure the one that married the roach.

Jack: For sure, for sure, for sure. Yeah. Because I've been here a while. I've been here for, like, three seasons maybe.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, season two had, like, two different clones.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah. All that happened in, like, season two.

Cristina: Okay. With the time machine and the murdering your friend.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like, a huge part of the lore happened in season two.

Cristina: And that's why we have no idea.

Jack: And that's why you have no idea. A bunch of that s*** happened all together. Because before then, it was just a show.

Cristina: Yes, it was. Normal podcast.

Jack: Was a normal podcast back in the old days when we had Reaper here and we were all just a bunch of people before the Illuminati recruited us because of how informative we were. And then we got recruited and then we got told the secrets and then.

Cristina: We spoiled it, and then we died.

Jack: Well, we didn't necessarily, but you know us. And then the originals started talking s*** because they didn't know better. They got put down and boom, the clones showed up. But through several different things that happened, here we are.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Many clones on the line. Third clone each.

Cristina: We're the third clone.

Jack: We're the third clone. Yeah.

Cristina: What happened to our second clone?

Jack: I don't remember.

Cristina: Are you positive?

Jack: I am positive. We're number three. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: I just remember Dave dying with Dave.

Jack: Well, here's the thing. I know the one with the time machine wasn't the original.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The episode with Dave is where the first got killed because we were talking s*** about the Illuminati.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He died that day too.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We all got replaced.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: But what happened?

Jack: Well, that was the first. Then we had the clone that came to kill, so we had a different clone, I guess, for a future clone that came to kill the past clone he was meant to replace, I guess. But he was retarded because he was clone of clone.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So he was already the second clone. So he couldn't tell the difference between Jemaine and myself. Although we don't look anything alike. And, like, for whatever reason, my clone at that point had one robot arm.

Cristina: Yes, he has a robot arm and.

Jack: A robot leg and an eyepatch or some s*** like that. Yeah, pirate looking.

Cristina: Yes, he looked like you, except he was missing parts.

Jack: Yeah. Something went terribly wrong. And he wasn't the brightest either.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And he was the second one who came to kill the previous. We'd still not use the time machine yet for the cat people.

Cristina: Are you positive? Because that was super random too.

Jack: D***. I don't know.

Cristina: I don't know which came first. And even though, like, no matter what the order is, when do we die?

Jack: That's the biggest f****** problem, right? Because I know we're number three. I don't remember how we got here.

Cristina: When did we die again? Are you sure?

Jack: I am positive. We've been the third clone for a while.

Cristina: Are you sure you're not the second?

Jack: No, I'm positive. We're not the second. We're the third.

Cristina: I don't remember that. Are you sure?

Jack: I can keep repeating that?

Cristina: Yes, I'm sure. You don't know what season?

Jack: No. Everything happened between season two.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And three.

Cristina: All of it only died twice.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay. I just don't remember my second death.

Jack: I mean, of course you wouldn't. That. That's. That holds up. That's exactly what would happen, isn't it?

Cristina: But I would remember. No, I think you would remember because you're getting the memories of your last.

Jack: Yeah, but you no aren't cloned after dying.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like then take your DNA from the dead body.

Cristina: I guess not. I don't remember. Okay.

Jack: I remember specifically me. This version of me stopping the me who was sending people to the future or some s*** like that.

Cristina: You stop that person.

Jack: You remember that one version of me stopped that clone. That clone came after the situation where the Eyepatch wearing one armed clone killed Jimin.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And thus trapped the soul inside the system.

Cristina: But that just means there was multiple you at the same time. Doesn't mean that you are a second or third or a fourth. Well, because you'd have all happened at once.

Jack: Yeah, fair enough. We don't know what order we were made. And I'm saying that in the order of which they got introduced. I'm the third introduced. I'm the last to be introduced to the lore of this show.

Cristina: Okay, but the one that was going to kill you but ended up killing Jermaine, that was still you, wasn't it?

Jack: Yes, that was a retarded me.

Cristina: No, the you that was on that show that he was trying to kill.

Jack: Oh, yes, I was also.

Cristina: That was the second me that was not you.

Jack: You, though that was not Mimi, or that might have been Mimi.

Cristina: Don't.

Jack: Because the other me is the one who was running the time machine.

Cristina: The same one that was with him talking to him is the one that was running the time machine.

Jack: No, the one that was on the show with the one who is trying to kill him. Those are the same ones. And then Jermaine. But neither one of them is the one who was running the time machine.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's three total different. Yeah. Now, my intern, My understanding is we stopped the one creating the problem with the time machine.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Right. Because he was all jolly and happy about, you know, destroying s***.

Cristina: Well, he was trying to save the world and I didn't understand it. It was me trying to stop him because I wanted cat people and I didn't understand his goal of stopping the cat people.

Jack: S***. You know what? I might be the one.

Cristina: You might be the one?

Jack: I might be the one.

Cristina: Which one?

Jack: No, I'm not the third. I'm the second.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: No, I'm the. I'm the first clone. No, the first clone died for sure. The first one of the. Because the original died and then the first clone died for both of us. Factually, that happened. Then we have. F***, there's like five of me, dude.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. We can't even remember when the second clone died.

Jack: No, I know the first clone. I guess I don't remember when the first clone died. I know that both my first clone and your first clone died. And our original originals died. So that's already two people dead for each of us.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then there's the retarded clone.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: With the eye patch in one arm.

Cristina: You.

Jack: That's me. Yeah. And then there is me, the either the one he was trying to kill or the one who was running the time machine. And whichever one of those I'm not is the third. Which is five total me's.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If we just remove the original. That's four clones.

Cristina: That's four clones. Except I don't remember a first clone dying.

Jack: D***. I don't want to listen to all that all over again.

Cristina: That's too much work.

Jack: That's a lot. That's a lot.

Cristina: We should make up a reason. Why did our clones die then?

Jack: I don't know. There's definitely a reason, though. Somebody's gonna tell us. Somebody will.

Cristina: Look, the Spaghetti Monster killed us.

Jack: I think they started talking s*** about f****** Illuminati 2 by accident. Yeah. Yeah, I think it happened by accident.

Cristina: Oh, was it with a guest?

Jack: Might have been. But then the only guess where these bullshits happen are when Jermaine's on the show, when Dave is on the show, or when Ish is on the show. And with Ish, we went on other weird adventures.

Cristina: You started the cockroach war with Ish. Yes, yes, I was also in disagreement with that plan.

Jack: But it happened.

Cristina: But it happened.

Jack: Yes, it is what it is. See, Ish is ride or die. He's on board with cockroaches below the planet Insane.

Cristina: We were gonna lose and then we.

Jack: Had a hack off.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that was amazing. And he hacked a robot.

Cristina: That was amazing.

Jack: Yeah, man. Ish is fun. We need him back.

Cristina: Yes. We need to do some kind of weird adventure with him.

Jack: Yeah, I like adventures with Ish. He's exciting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We never. He's the wild card.

Cristina: He's the wild. Exactly.

Jack: Every group needs a wild card.

Cristina: He's Charlie. Does that make you Dennis?

Jack: I think I'm Dennis in most cases. No matter who else is who else.

Cristina: He's Charlie.

Jack: I'm pretty Dennis. Would that be interesting? I'd like to come up with something after watching Dan. What is Dan Snaps or some. Dan put some s*** on YouTube where he brings on. It's like a podcast. And he brings on the homies.

Cristina: He brings on homies. Okay.

Jack: They do like weird experiments. And I'm like, that's a cool concept. I'd like to try that out.

Cristina: Yes, we gotta do that here.

Jack: Yeah, man. If I can get Dave Ish Reaper, you, me, I'll be Dungeon Master.

Cristina: But how we get so many people on the phone, or is it through the computer?

Jack: Yeah, we can like Skype them in or some.

Cristina: Yeah, we should do that.

Jack: Yeah. And have multiple people and then we can run cool experiments and.

Cristina: Awesome.

Jack: That'd be dope. If we can get that set up.

Cristina: Yes. We'll have a mystery. Guess. No, I don't know. Yes.

Jack: I don't know if people knew who they were.

Cristina: Nah, they'll be surprised. It's gonna be the Axeman.

Jack: The Axeman?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Who's the Axeman?

Cristina: The guy who scared some kids in the woods.

Jack: Oh, you mean the Woodsman.

Cristina: Yeah, the Woodsman.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: He's the surprise guest.

Jack: Can you imagine? We find a legit woodsman.

Cristina: That'd be cool. Now we gotta find the Woodsman.

Jack: That'd be the. Because every episode has been one to one. This would be like the creation of an entirely different show.

Cristina: What? I guess. No, it could still be ramblings.

Jack: No, no, because rambling is me and you.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: And this conversation is me and a guest.

Cristina: Yes. And this is a party.

Jack: And this is a party. This will be a whole other f****** thing.

Cristina: Yeah. So fun.

Jack: And if it works out, who knows? Maybe we'll do it again. Maybe we can figure out a schedule to get people regularly in.

Cristina: Yes. Awesome.

Jack: Yeah. Be badass.

Cristina: There will be a Woodsman.

Jack: There will be Woodsman. I mean, eventually, look, that show blows up, we get Millions and billions and trillions. And then Joe Rogan begs us to be on the show because it needs the exposure because we're making so much money. And Spotify fired him and hired us instead.

Jack: And, like, they took his hundred million dollars away and gave it to us. It's yours now.

Cristina: I don't think they can do that.

Jack: But okay, it doesn't matter, because now that's what happened.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Gave us his hundred million. And that's awesome. And then he begs. He's like, I need the money. I gotta eat. Can you. Can I be on your show and exposure? And then my stand up will do better than my podcast will do better. And we're like, you want us to share our billion listeners, the most heard podcast in the galaxy?

Cristina: In the galaxy with you?

Jack: Yeah. The Colloquians are, like, hearing us all the time.

Cristina: Who?

Jack: Yeah, exactly. Them. And they're hearing us all.

Cristina: Can you say that word again?

Jack: I don't know what I said, but that alien race is actively listening. What was it? The collar?

Cristina: Something like that.

Jack: There are.

Cristina: Is that what the cockroach people are called?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Did you find out what they're called?

Jack: I don't know what they're called. I just called them cockroach people.

Cristina: Okay. Because if they're. Whatever you just said, then we have to know that that's what they're called and say it. And that sounds really hard because.

Jack: Yeah, because there's two letters there that don't go together, so it's really hard to announce. It's like a whole other language. Caligreans.

Cristina: It's horrible. Yes. They're not called out. Okay.

Jack: Yeah, yeah.

Cristina: That's what the cat people are called.

Jack: But that's some. It could be. Maybe the cat peoples are Caligreans.

Cristina: We need simpler names.

Jack: I mean, cat people in Cockroach, you were pretty simple.

Cristina: But it's not real names.

Jack: I mean, it's identifying labels that we understand. I guess it's like a stereotype. It works.

Cristina: Yeah. All right, so the show with Joe Rogan, we're gonna give him an episode.

Jack: We're gonna allow him to be one of the guests that we run experiments through. But eventually the show is gonna get so big that it's no longer gonna be experiments, and we're really gonna put them in the scenarios we're talking about. It's gonna start in front of a mic.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Just like it started when we first started. Just conversation.

Cristina: Become that show that he used. Factor. Yes. We're just. We're gonna remake Fear Factor. And he's gonna be the guest. Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

Jack: That's gonna be great. It's gonna happen by accident. That's how this show happened.

Cristina: Right.

Jack: So we began it was just us hanging out. Then we got hired.

Cristina: Then we got hired. Oh, yeah.

Jack: Then we went on crazy adventures. Do crazy. Now we're gonna make a game show. We're gonna have them be on it. And it's just gonna be some fun questions. Fun.

Cristina: And then we're gonna take Joe Rogan and whatever spa.

Jack: And then we're gonna get so popular, we're gonna take Joe Rogan's spot. And then eventually we're gonna build an entire arena. Beast. What is it? The beast arena thing with the beast arena? The f****** parkour, like, ninja warrior.

Cristina: Oh, American Beast master.

Jack: Beast Master. It's gonna be like a giant Beastmaster size arena.

Cristina: What is it gonna be on Zombie island or.

Jack: Zombie Island? Yes. Ooh. Just keep filling that up.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Beast master size arena. And then we're gonna have all our scenarios really existing on there, and they're gonna have to go through them.

Cristina: Like hacking a robot.

Jack: Yeah. Oh. We could base everything on things that happened here. Oh, my God. You just gave us how we're gonna do the questions for the show. We can just go back to previous events that happened and see what everybody would do in my shoes.

Cristina: Okay, so, like, what would they do with the cockroach people?

Jack: Would they do the cockroach people?

Cristina: Probably not. Start a war. I wonder if everyone's like, no, just start a war.

Jack: We didn't try to start a war.

Cristina: You wanted to just murder them?

Jack: Yes, we freaked out. Murdered a couple of them. Then they started flying towards us and we were like, we gotta stop them. And then we destroyed their whole planet. But then that f***** up the whole system's gravitational pull and Planet X started plunging straight towards Earth. So we went ahead and we stole Mars from Universe 2, put that there.

Cristina: Then what happened to Planet X? Because it was already plunging towards us. Did it just stop?

Jack: Yes, it's just out there.

Cristina: Closer though.

Jack: It's closer, but whatever. It's where it's orbiting, just closer to the end.

Cristina: It's. Is it near Pluto? Is it somewhere we can see it? Is it like now Planet six or whatever? Like, it took that spot or whatever.

Jack: Yeah, it's probably between two other planets. Yeah, it was outside, now it's in the middle. For whatever reason, it didn't just keep plunging in. It's just like, oh, there's a planet. Okay, now I'm back In orbit, circling.

Cristina: The sun like all the other.

Jack: Which is weird that we took out one planet and it immediately stopped orbiting and just started going straight towards Earth. And then we put Mars back and it immediately stopped going towards Earth and then just went back to orbiting wherever it was.

Cristina: I think that planet's an alien.

Jack: That might be a giant. That might be the Death Star.

Cristina: Oh, crap. Why was it coming towards us? Why did it stop?

Jack: Cockroach people were protecting us this whole time. They are like the Vulcan. We got the Vulcans out of the way and then they were like, we're gonna f*** them up. But then we put it back and they don't know that the characters.

Cristina: Okay, interesting. We should go onto planet X though.

Jack: AKA the Death Star.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: But like we call it a Death Star because it's just a giant spaceship. That's artificial planet thing. But like, obviously we're not gonna get there and f****** Darth Vader is gonna be on board. So who's on board the real Death Star? Is it gonna turn out to be like the Borg?

Cristina: Is it gonna be the Borg? No, I think it's gonna be something that's afraid of cockroaches. Like they're gonna be elephants.

Jack: Interesting. But elephants aren't scared of cockroaches.

Cristina: I know, but they're mice. Yeah. They're afraid of small things. I don't know.

Jack: Interesting, Interesting. I wonder what it'll be.

Cristina: It's a mouse.

Jack: A mouse wouldn't be scared of a cockroach. Mouse would wreck a cockroach.

Cristina: Oh, there's nothing afraid of cockroaches.

Jack: I'm sure there is. The answer is rabbits.

Cristina: Yes. Why do you call them cockroaches?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: They're called. It's spelled c***. Roach.

Jack: Yeah, it's spelled cockroach.

Cristina: But you're not saying cockroach, are you?

Jack: I never say cockroach.

Cristina: What do you say?

Jack: I say cockroach.

Cristina: It's so, so similar. I guess it doesn't really matter, but rabbits.

Jack: Rabbits on the Death Star.

Cristina: I think we could take them on if they do decide to attack us. If they don't find out. If they do find out, the roaches are gone. Okay, subhumans versus rabbits.

Jack: Alright, let's. Let's be real. It looks like aliens aren't really a thing. Minus the weird anomalies that we've seen, like the Chupacabra and things like that.

Cristina: Those aren't aliens. Those are also animals.

Jack: Not the interdimensional godlike ones that show up looking for ADRENOCHROME and s***.

Cristina: They were once upon a time, an animal.

Jack: Could be. We didn't establish that actually, but yeah. Like the shapeless one.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But yeah, probably. If we follow the logic. It was probably some s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It seems like the whole planet and the whole star system and the whole galaxy are just animals.

Cristina: With adrenochrome.

Jack: Just animals. It looks like adrenochrome kind of runs the universe. Question is, are the rabbits also on adrenochrome?

Cristina: For sure.

Jack: You think the cat people are on adrenochrome? They're ancient, bro.

Cristina: I think that's what we'll find.

Jack: You think we're just gonna find that?

Cristina: They probably gave us adrenochrome, dude.

Jack: You think everything comes back to adrenochrome?

Cristina: Yes. The whole history of everything.

Jack: Because God started with adrenal, Started with the goal to get more adrenochrome.

Cristina: Exactly. It makes sense.

Jack: Back to the beginning, dude. All the way at the start.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yeah. Like the Chupacabra. That doesn't. That's dimensional and giving us powers and whatever. It had to be something normal before adrenochrome came to its life.

Jack: Because it was working with adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: How did it exist before it found us? You know, it needed adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So chances are it got the adrenochrome first and then slowly changed to what it is.

Cristina: Yeah. And that weird other world. I forgot what it was called.

Jack: Universe 2.

Cristina: Is it universal where all the fairies and creatures live?

Jack: Oh, the. The Shadow Realm.

Cristina: The Shadow Realm. Those are just creatures with adrenochrome. Once you have adrenochrome, you can enter the Shadow Realm.

Jack: Yeah, but there's things that live there.

Cristina: Purely because they already had the. Yeah. They don't know.

Jack: Are things that are just born on that side that never came in contact with anything on this side. Those are. Okay, so we gotta ignore everything on this side. Those are more interesting. Everything over here works off of adrenochrome. Everything. The only place we've seen where that is. The exception is over there. Is that other realm. Interesting.

Cristina: But many things over there have taken adrenochrome. Yes, but you're saying not all of them.

Jack: Not all of them. There are things that are native to that side. Things over here take adrenochrome and move in that direction. That's also to assume we're not going to find God over here.

Cristina: Think we're going to find him over there.

Jack: We got to go to the shadow realm to find God.

Cristina: Or we can just wait for February 2nd, where he will show up in Philadelphia, in Pennsylvania.

Jack: What is it that happens? Right. What is it that happens when to bring something to this side, you need a lot of fear or a lot of death. And then something from the shadow realm becomes. The more of that there is, the more prominent it is on this side. Because they need that energy to manifest from the other side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: God should, in theory, be on the other side. When does God most likely show and when are miracles most likely to happen? In times of extreme, extreme tragedy.

Jack: That's because God is on the other side. And during that February 2nd.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What's happening is the fear of farmers hearing bad news and all their crops being is enough to manifest.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Jehovah.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The worry, the fear, the scared of. I'm not gonna. This is gonna be bad news. That allows him to get grasp form. That's why they have to wait.

Cristina: Yeah. So people collect first.

Jack: Yeah, I guess. But the question is, will he stay on this side? We need to catch his physical form on the other side.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Because we can catch him here and then he'll just stay here.

Cristina: Yep. Yep. Okay. Yeah, we do have to. But I was thinking about the creatures. You said that they are always there.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And never here. But I'm wondering if even though they might have. You know how I have to go back to us as humans. We might have been some creature before adrenochrome came to our ancestors. And then somehow we came to be. And what if that's their story? Like they might not have come here for adrenochrome, but maybe someone in their past.

Jack: So your argument is there's nothing native.

Cristina: No.

Jack: The Shadow Realm minus Adrenochrome is empty.

Cristina: Yes. Like, those are just babies of things that came here, came back over there, and then they're just stuck there because they're. They don't need it. Like their ancestor. Like we don't need it.

Jack: Problematic things like angels. And are we to assume angels are just also people who changed differently? Maybe the Neanderthals who took the f****** thing and then evolved to be these f****** things? What do we say about, like, reapers that are native to that realm?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Were they some other s*** on this side took it, went to that side and figured out they don't need it anymore? Are angels feral? Are reapers feral? Like, I don't know.

Cristina: It's complicated. I don't know.

Jack: So the problem is we didn't really investigate much into the Shadow Realm. We Got the surface data.

Cristina: So yeah, do more research.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Before we get in there, deep dive.

Jack: Into the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Maybe we can go through Yu Gi oh to find out Yu Gi oh.

Jack: Has the, the, the cards that are sent that'll send our souls there or whatever the f***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: How the f*** does that work?

Cristina: I don't know. The Shadow Realm is connected somehow to.

Jack: Yu Gi oh, bro.

Cristina: To Yu Gi oh.

Jack: Duel monsters.

Cristina: Yes. Are probably a lot like the monsters you would find in the shroud.

Jack: You tell me. I could find the blue eyes white dragon and a red eyes black dragon.

Cristina: You could find an angel maybe.

Jack: I mean maybe. Right. Like f*** it, like what's. Fair enough, fair enough. I mean every other bullshit that anybody's ever thought of turned out real. So like whatever. I guess there's probably a Red eyes black. That's badass. I could just catch. So that means like a pokeball is probably real.

Cristina: In the Shadow Realm.

Jack: In the Shadow Realm. We don't need to even invent one. We just need to find it. Yeah, maybe that's a lie. Maybe that was just a fantasy. But we can still invent it in theory and then go catch instead of. I mean it'd be cool to still have a wedge edge and a winningo, but like, I much rather have like a red eyes black dragon. That's hardcore. Or God, it's a stupid looking f****** groundhog. I don't really care much for God.

Cristina: But that'd be crazy. You throw a ball, he comes out, everyone's confused because it's just a groundhog.

Jack: But he has the power to destroy everything.

Cristina: Exactly. He just snaps his finger, they disappear.

Jack: And for whatever reason, the only power he doesn't have is the ability to defeat normal groundhog problems.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Including cages.

Cristina: Yes. So yeah, that sounds right.

Jack: Yeah. I think I'd rather have a Wendigo because could we build technology that could mind control God? He is still a demigod.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So like he's not impossible, but like.

Cristina: That'S why we need anything.

Jack: The huge problem here's problem, we need God to get to the cat people. The cat gods and their technology is then going to allow us to create tech to bring Wash God.

Cristina: Oh, it's.

Jack: We need one for the other no matter what.

Cristina: Yeah, okay. But we still have to understand their technology and whether it's actually technology or is it actual magic.

Jack: I mean, at this point it's probably just technology. It's completely possible. Adrenochrome got into the mix way long ago, created these hyper intelligent cat people. The Same way that later happened to us.

Cristina: And cockroach people.

Jack: Probably cockroach people. And apparently maybe just the theory, but the rabbit people inside the Death Star.

Cristina: Yes. I think this all. It checks out.

Jack: This checks out. Yeah. This is totally making sense. You know, all the pieces fall together.

Cristina: And so we gotta go into the.

Jack: Shadow Realm to get God. Interesting. Fascinating.

Cristina: Like, the person who's talking to Yu Gi. Oh, what is he? Is he an angel?

Jack: He is actually in the Shadow Realm, I think.

Cristina: Yeah, but what is he in the shadow Realm?

Jack: He's the spirit of a pharaoh.

Cristina: Dead people, man.

Jack: The Shadow Realm works a real way in that show, doesn't it? Yeah, he's the spirit of a guy who had, like, mystical powers.

Cristina: Ghosts can be in the shadow Realm?

Jack: Well, no. You're supposed to have taken adrenochrome so that when you die, you cross over to the shadow Realm. Oh.

Cristina: And he might have.

Jack: Okay, might have.

Cristina: We gotta go and check out that show then. Yes. I think that show will give us answers.

Jack: You think that show gives us answers? Yes, definitely. It would probably.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Tells us a lot. The fact that there was anybody in the shadow Realm and people were being sent to the shadow Realm and everybody had to participate in some sort of thing. A ritual of sorts.

Cristina: Exactly. You think they were drinking blood? I bet blood is involved.

Jack: I think blood is everything. Blood is life at this point.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. We're gonna find that out. We gotta rewatch Yu Gi. Oh, no, we don't. But we gotta research Yu Gi. Oh, for sure.

Jack: The weird thing is, which I don't understand. If Adrenochrome led apes to become humans. See, why does humans taking Adrenochrome not change us to something else?

Cristina: I thought they turned us into vampires or zombies.

Jack: It does. You're right.

Cristina: You got two results. I think zombies is if we stop taking it, and vampires if we continue taking it.

Jack: Interesting. Yeah, you're totally right. Which then brings up the next question. So we're a vampire. And we consume however much. So vampire is one of the milestones to becoming God.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So that there's no end. No, you'll continue to change.

Cristina: Yeah. Because that once you're a vampire, you have the ability to start transforming to other things.

Jack: I don't mean like shapeshift.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: I mean, like, how long does a vampire take Adrenochrome for before no longer a vampire.

Cristina: Oh, I don't know.

Jack: But. Because it looks like we can follow this line for everything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Well, so we get a werewolf. Well, we get a wolf becomes werewolf. Becomes a win thingo or wet judge.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, like there's a line and.

Cristina: Then it becomes something else eventually.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There is in Shinto and what was the other? Not Native American spiritualism, but something similar to that where there are spirit beasts, giant animal, like God, like creatures that protect areas. That sounds like a God.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That came through a animal.

Cristina: You don't know what that's from. How are you gonna do research on that?

Jack: No, I don't know. I could. I'll look it up.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I know Shinto has a lot of that going on, spirit beasts and stuff like that. But I know that there's a specific belief system.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That has, like, giant spirit animals guarding, like, the woods or the lakes and like that.

Cristina: That does sound like Shinto, though.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Yes.

Jack: Find that research, because that sounds like something that took a lot of adrenochrome. Never died to cross over, but kept taking adrenochrome and maybe transcended into the next thing.

Cristina: Yes, that could be it. Yep. Yep.

Jack: Which means God is where everything lands Long enough.

Cristina: Yeah. As long as they don't die.

Jack: As long as they don't die. It's just hard to live really long without some factor or another killing you.

Cristina: Or maybe even killing yourself. I don't know.

Jack: Or running out of a supply of adrenochrome.

Cristina: Or that. Yeah.

Jack: And then that making you feral.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That sending you to madness.

Cristina: Yep. Yeah. There's so many different ways it can go.

Jack: Yeah. It's kind of crazy.

Cristina: Right. Then now we have two things we gotta check out.

Jack: Yeah. We gotta go look at the Shadow Realm and see if we can find Jehovah in his real home.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Should be some sort of similar looking, but oddly different location from his home over here when he does manifest.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: The Shadow Realm looks like a copy of over here.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But also not simultaneously. So it should. We will know where to go look in Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Yes. That place.

Jack: And then finding out what belief system it is that has these beasts that seem to just be godlike versions of normal animals.

Cristina: Mm. And in Yu Gi. Oh. Wasn't there angels?

Jack: No.

Cristina: There wasn't a card where the person looked like an angel.

Jack: Oh. I mean, the cards are.

Cristina: Yeah, that's what I mean.

Jack: There was kind of everything. It was like a sentient clock.

Cristina: Oh, okay. That's like Pokemon.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I mean, all that s*** is weird. There's a bunch of. There's Dark Magician. Was he just a magician who crosses the Shadow Realm and now goes by dark?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You know, maybe. Man, are those cards based on f****** real things?

Cristina: Yes. We gotta check that out. That's part of the research that we gotta check out.

Jack: That's fair. I'm down.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Anyways, we're running out of time and. Yeah. So hopefully we can get those things done. Go into shadow realm, find Jehovah, throw a party. Throw a party?

Cristina: Yeah. With all the different people. What with Dave and Ish.

Jack: Oh, yeah. That's further down the line. Precedent is taken. By going to shadow Room, finding Jehovah and finding out what belief system was talking about, what seems to be animals have transcended through a dream to come all the way to God levels. Yes, that's useful.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Hopefully also my voice heals so that I can talk normal. And next time I'll just make a subhuman deal with the f****** groundhog or whatever other f****** creature, because that's annoying and I can't talk.

Cristina: Well, that'd be crazy.

Jack: If another groundhog bites you, that'd be crazy. It has to be radioactive and, like, give me some power.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, man. I want to dig. Cool.

Cristina: You dig with your teeth.

Jack: That'd be dope. Although I don't think they do that, but yeah. No, I want to dig. Awesome. Or stop biting me. Groundhogs. And I want to be a God, which is why we got to get God to bite me or whatever. But he's gonna first bite subhumans because.

Cristina: Let'S see what that to people who.

Jack: Have the best immune system in the universe. Anyways, if you guys like this conversation, other conversations like this, you could find them anywhere. You know, we have a bunch of stuff like that talking about God as a groundhog, actually how we got to the conclusion that he was a groundhog and all this. And originally when we were talking about groundhogs and adrenochrome in the Shadow Realm. And the Shadow Realm and the creatures from within the shadow Realm, there's a little bit of everything. We. We're building the big picture now. Yes, that's what we're doing. We're bringing all the separate pieces now. We're building the puzzle. If you guys want to find all that stuff, you can find it on the official website greatthoughts.info or on Apple podcasts or Spotify or anywhere you get your podcasts.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok at discount Vopod.

Jack: Yes. And also remember to subscribe and rate and review the show if you feel so inclined.

Cristina: And let someone who might like this show know about it?

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth is very important. And now you know that God is part of the shadow realm. Somebody might want to know that. Maybe you have some religious friends who are very in their religion, and you want them to know the truth. So you're gonna go every Sunday to their door, knock on the door and tell them, have you heard about Shadow Christ?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Do you want to let shadow Christ into your heart?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You can do that. All. All. All day, Every day.

Cristina: All day, Every day on Sunday.

Jack: All day, every day on Sunday. You knock on the door, be like, let shadow Christ into your heart.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they're gonna close the door because they think you're trolling, and you're gonna be like, this is what it feels like. Stop showing up in my f****** house every Sunday. Hit him right back. We're hurt.

Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: The other day, I was thinking. I don't know what the made me think about this, but I was thinking about painting where the roadrunner. So it's the roadrunner and Wile E. Coyote.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And Wile E. Coyote paints a replica of the mountains behind them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then he puts the painting in the way of the road so that the roadrunner slams into the painting that's painted on. No, it's a road.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: It's like a steel brick or a brick wall or something he made with the painting on it, thinking that thing is gonna run into the wall and knock itself out. But then it just runs up the road in the painting.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then the coyote looks around at it, and he's like, what the f***? And then he tries to run into it and he just hits the brick.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I'm like. And I'm like, that's kind of meta, not just. Not meta. It's weird. It's. They were thinking about this sort of psychedelic psychology long before that was normal.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: It's like it's both reality and not.

Cristina: The roadrunner's reality isn't. What's it. The coyote's reality?

Jack: I mean, they share reality. I'm saying the. The distinction of the painting and the rest of the world. There's some sort of aspect there that's weird because he did run into the painting. And I'm like, what thought did the. Right. Did the creator have that the artist have when he came up with that? And how meta must you be thinking to imagine a drawing in which there's another drawing with a creature running into it from the first drawing. That's meta as f***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's complicated. And that just makes it part of the story.

Cristina: That's very strange. He travels through. He's like a time traveler, in a way. Those things could be real places.

Jack: But here's the. Here's a point. Even if it's not, it's not. It could be a real place, but that itself is not. That's the coyote's rendering.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that's not a location that exists anywhere but in the coyote's mind. So then the question is that the Roadrunner run into the coyote's mind? Well, not really. But like, this universe he made up became a real reality to the Roadrunner.

Cristina: Yes. Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister. With social media managed by Amber Black.

October 23, 2021

Rambling: 148 Catholic Adrenochrome

October 23, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

Why are most of the listeners of the show from England? Why are most people from England Catholic? Why do Catholics love drinking blood? Are priests the primary blood drinkers? IS the blood they have been drinking from the children they spend private time with? The duo takes on some of the darker truths of Catholicism and tries to get to the bottom of how most of the JCP listeners are British. What is discovered in the process is something no one could have imagined!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

Cancer
Fight Club
Vampire Jesus
Broken English
Time Travel Seamlessness
Christian Wars
Catholic Caused Genocide
Drinking Blood
Immortality
Child Blood
Gods & Adrenochrome
How to Make a God
Groundhog Powers
Subhumans

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second episodes are released.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. So be sure to inform somebody of this show at gunpoint if you can, and get them to listen by force. The good old American way. America.

Cristina: Not with guns.

Jack: Why not?

Cristina: Why? Why?

Jack: What if they don't have our largest. Well, actually, the biggest part of our audience is a British, not a Merrickin.

Cristina: You think they don't have guns?

Jack: I'm more concerned about, like, what the f*** is wrong with people listening to this? I was thinking about this the other day. Like, who listens to us?

Cristina: Who listens to us?

Jack: Like, British people.

Cristina: Are you sure?

Jack: Yes. The vast majority of our listeners are.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: It's like, half is British and then like. Like a quarter is eastern American. Like the east coast and then scattered throughout. It's like, what the f*** happened in f****** England?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why are you listening to us?

Cristina: We're giving them a slice of life of America.

Jack: Yeah. Wow. Are we the example of what American life is to these?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because it's like. No, it's way more f***** than what we do.

Cristina: We talk about.

Jack: Yeah. Americans don't think this hard. Megas. Don't think America. It's about, you know, I, like, I. I'm not gonna wear a mask because I need a haircut. That's America summed up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I'm not gonna wear a mask because I need a haircut logic. So I don't know what the f*** happened. They're like the. Now we're a bad example of what being American is. I mean, I guess the no given aspect.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They're not like, I don't know, they were emotionally repressed.

Cristina: Is that true?

Jack: I mean, it's a joke that they tell themselves about themselves.

Cristina: It's a stereotype.

Jack: It's a stereotype, but one they joke about. About being emotionally repressed, and we help them with that.

Cristina: How? I don't know where. They're therapists.

Jack: We all.

Cristina: We.

Jack: We're not helping them be more emotionally repressed. We're helping them be less emotional.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They live vicariously through us.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But we're not emotional. We might be feeding the problem.

Cristina: Okay, well, you're helping them by peer pressuring them in the beginning of the.

Jack: Episode to do something violent, social. Something social. Got you. Yes, yes. Go interact. Got you, got you, got. And then I recon reaffirm it at the end of the show.

Cristina: Exactly. So there's something.

Jack: Because, like, if we think about it, Right. We use the fact that when we look at the. The viewer list or whatever, it's the viewer. They're watching us. Cameras are on the walls, man. No, but the. The vast majority of the listeners are in England. Right. And so we think about that, and we're like. We're basically telling a bunch of British people to go do violent acts primarily to get people to come listen to the show. It's a show about getting you to listen to the show. It's become meta.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Every episode, as of late, Maybe the last 15, 20 episodes, are about telling the listener how to get somebody to listen to this show and then kind of describing the circumstance.

Cristina: Yes. We actually go through the adventure of a listener.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Who's trying to convince other people to listen to the show.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. And like, semantically, we get sometimes even metaphysical, just trying the. To elaborate in depth on how to listen to the show.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's pretty meta. It's a show about listening to the show.

Cristina: Yes. If you need help with that. I don't know.

Jack: Why.

Cristina: Why would we go that far?

Jack: Because they need to get somebody else to listen to the show. For what? So that we can tell that next person how to get someone else to listen to the show. It's a sort of infinite loop.

Cristina: Yes. Although I guess we're a lot like that. The tape from that horror movie where you have to watch it before. You have to get someone else to watch it before seven days or you die.

Jack: Yeah. Except in this case, you have to get somebody to listen before the cancer kills you. Otherwise your life was in vain.

Cristina: Yep. That's pretty much something, I guess.

Jack: Pretty much. Yeah. You got, like, 10 years. It's fine.

Cristina: Yeah, it's like.

Jack: It's way better than seven days. Hey, man, you got more than seven days. Like, you got cancer. Cancer is not our fault. We're not really sure what's happening there.

Cristina: I think it's from those inexpensive. What is it? Wasn't there a tape thing that you're sending people?

Jack: Oh, my.

Cristina: It was Spy Club.

Jack: You think the vcr.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: With the cassette tape.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That has the show recorded on it, by the way. It's a vcr. And the show is not on camera. So you're just getting like.

Cristina: But it looks like Fight Club where it is Fight Club.

Jack: Well, it's. They get Fight Club every time as well.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So they get Fight Club, and they get the latest episode of the show, but they only get the VCR the first time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: After they subscribe.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So I guess the episode is audio recorded over Fight Club, so you're technically getting a Fight Club the movie every time with Fight Club audio.

Cristina: Because I feel like we keep sending them Fight Club. Like, we don't stop sending them.

Jack: No, no, no. They get Fight Club every time. So you're saying that the Fight Club episodes they're getting. I mean, the Fight Club additional Fight Club movies are getting. Are the show recorded over the Fight Club. Fight Club. So it's still Fight Club the movie visuals.

Cristina: Or it might just be like, Fight Club. You first have to watch the whole movie of Fight Club, and then at the credit scene, you get to listen to our podcast.

Jack: There's an hour of credits.

Cristina: Maybe. I don't know how long the credits are. Maybe it's just black. And then you hear our podcast.

Jack: Well, I'm thinking you just listen to the podcast over the visuals of Fight Club. So Fight Club the movie is playing as you're watching. Watching as you're watching, and you're hearing us over it.

Cristina: Whether we can do that on YouTube. Just figure out how to put the fight club movie 1.

Jack: To any of our British listeners who've never seen Fight Club, begin your dystopian future by watching Fight Club.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then proceed to dub one of our episodes over the audio of Fight Club so that it's Fight Club with your favorite episode of Just Conversation.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then tell us where we could go watch that, because it'll be great.

Cristina: Well, beside. Well, we are sending them these things, but I'm just wondering if that's where the cancer is coming from.

Jack: They're getting the cancer from the cassette?

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: No, they get the cancer from listening to us.

Cristina: But how? That's the question. Like, what is happening? It's not like 5G or something?

Jack: No, no, no. Or maybe it is because. Because the idea is something about my. And your voice. It's our voices through the microphones coming out of their speaker or whatever causes them to get cancer.

Cristina: But it's our voices.

Jack: It's our voices. Some combination of our. It might be because we're clones, I don't know.

Cristina: But wasn't. Huh? Was it happening when we were alive?

Jack: No, maybe not. No. I don't I doubt it. I think this. I think, according to the lore of just conversation, it happened after the original died.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But not entirely sure, but somebody could let us know.

Cristina: But. Okay, so if that's the case, then we're doing it somehow. It's coming from us.

Jack: Our voices, I'm assuming. Maybe that's my. That's my theory. They're getting the cancer from our voices coming through the speaker.

Cristina: But then Dave is a clone too, right?

Jack: Yes. So he probably. Yeah, yeah. He's passing cancer everywhere. If that's the case.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: He's just giving everybody cancer.

Cristina: Are you gonna let him know that?

Jack: He probably knows.

Cristina: How do you find out. How do you even find out your listeners have cancer? Is that in the data that.

Jack: Yes, exactly. That's exactly how I found out. The same way I found out about.

Cristina: How much listeners are from English.

Jack: Yes. It tells us. For whatever reason, because Facebook, we recently established that Facebook gives us everybody's data all the time. And so I have everybody's medical records, and then I cross reference the medical records with our listener records, and then I get the listeners, and they all have cancer.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: Boom.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You see? Logic. It makes sense. That's how we know. I totally. Yes.

Cristina: We got it through Facebook.

Jack: Through Facebook and Google.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They work together. It's all the same s***. There's. If we could go high up enough. There's no difference between those two things. There's some other, like, dude telling them what to do. The same guy. Nevertheless, they both respond to the same dude, who's just some guy in, like, a shady robe. Looks like f****** the dark Sith Lord or some s***. You know, dark room surrounded by candles and a bunch of f******.

Cristina: Wearing a mask.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Even though everyone knows who he is.

Jack: Exactly.

Cristina: When you're up there, you're like. You're. You know who he is.

Jack: Yeah. He wears it just because it's cool or whatever. It's edgy. In a freaking, like, chamber somewhere underground or at the top of a crazy tall tower and a floating island or some s*** where there's f******. He's surrounded in this chamber by, like, naked ladies. No, not naked ladies. Adrenochrome. It's a river of, like, adrenochrome around him. Because he's also really f****** old. And I guess he's been running society for, like, most of time or some. Just keeps taking adrenochrome. He's the original. Like, the original virgin sacrifice was to him or whatever the. Well, to whoever the pretended to be Jesus that's that guy.

Cristina: He's that guy.

Jack: He's like, I got religion to take over and I got adrenochrome. Cuz people sacrificed all the way from back then when they didn't know that I was going to pretend to be Jesus. And he gave me a goat. And then he killed his brother cuz his brother had like a ball of lettuce or some s***.

Cristina: Jesus was about sharing his blood, not about taking your blood.

Jack: But that's who. Those are the leaders. Now, like Mark Zuckerfucker has been around an eternity as well. Because he drank Jesus blood and became a vampire, just like Jesus.

Cristina: Okay, wait, he drank vampire blood?

Jack: Jesus is a vampire? He's the first vampire.

Cristina: He's the first vampire.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Something was keeping him alive for very long.

Cristina: Yes. Adrenochrome.

Jack: Probably Adrenochrome. And then there was a tipping point where he became super duper mega awesome.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And now his blood is the strongest, most potent adrenochrome. And he can make other hymns. Not really him, but you know, he can make other people be immortal and s***. By giving them the blood.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then those people, the twelve apostles of which one is whoever the f***, the guy who runs Google and I don't know why that's not like information. We know more offhand, but we all know Zucker F*****.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And Bezos.

Cristina: Maybe his name is as interesting.

Jack: Maybe. Probably. Like if I heard it, I thought.

Cristina: They both have Z's in their names.

Jack: Right? And like the people who run the world in every aspect. Right. So like the Queen is also for British listeners making references they know, you know, we're on the pulse.

Cristina: What's her name? Elizabeth.

Jack: Elizabeth, yeah.

Cristina: Oh, there's a Z. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Okay.

Jack: How many names can we think of with a Z?

Cristina: Not many. Not many.

Jack: Zoe, Elizabeth, Zach.

Cristina: How many of those do you know?

Jack: Xena. No, that's a X.

Cristina: That's an X.

Jack: Why does X like a Z sometimes? And other times it sounds like a. Why is xylophone not with a Z?

Cristina: I know, the rules change. I don't know. It sounds like a Z in front of things. Sounds like X behind things. No.

Jack: Maybe.

Cristina: Maybe.

Jack: I don't know. Why is it a Z at the. Just f****** replace it with a Z. I don't know what happened to English, man. We should all just learn Korean. It's way more straightforward.

Cristina: Because that's just about sound. Yeah.

Jack: So much more so in such an intelligent, well thought out language. Not like f****** English. That just had random s*** picked up from random f****** areas. And then the worst part is it somehow became the most popular language. So all the other languages are slowly f****** up by borrowing words from English and just turning their languages into s*** because our words didn't make sense to begin with.

Cristina: Our words never made sense.

Jack: Nope.

Cristina: Ugh. And then the language we borrowed, French, like, none of that makes sense. That's alien language.

Jack: How are we like, 60% Latin with Germanic characters using primarily, like, out of that, 60% Latin, like, 40% is French. What the f***?

Cristina: I know.

Jack: The h*** is going on?

Cristina: I don't know. These are definitely not pronouncing it the way they would.

Jack: H*** no. We're already making weird sounds. The problem is a bunch of people from England came to the United States, stole a bunch of French words and pronounced it with latent transferred, morphed, and edited American accent. Accent, which is a derivative of British English. And it's like, what?

Cristina: What?

Jack: Like what?

Cristina: Languages? Accents, though.

Jack: Accents for days.

Cristina: There's too many.

Jack: It's all the English fault.

Cristina: It's all the English fault.

Jack: Yeah. They came over here. You. It's the fault of most of our listeners. They came to the US and they were like, I'm gonna say a hard R from now on. It's like, why? And then I'm gonna take a bunch of French words and throw it in the pot. And then when people from the America where we were frying English go back to England, we're gonna steal American words and just stir the pot and just mix it up a little more and it's more confusing.

Cristina: Yes. Why would you do that?

Jack: I don't know. We do what we do to you guys planning? I mean, I guess you are us, but what like, what you do? Why do you do this to the rest of the world? Trying to learn English.

Cristina: We should stop trying to learn English.

Jack: English is based on Latin, right? Well, no, Latin is some Latin, Germanic, whatever. German.

Cristina: Let's go back to Latin.

Jack: Back to Latin.

Cristina: That's too complicated.

Jack: Is it, though?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Everything else came from that. I don't know. That's a deadass language.

Cristina: Exactly. Like, whatever they're saying is Latin now is probably not Latin.

Jack: Like, this isn't even English anymore.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What was English, and what is now is some other s***.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. Yes. Yeah.

Jack: We're still calling it English because we haven't, like, thought of a new name.

Cristina: No.

Jack: But it's kind of not English.

Cristina: We can never tell when the changing point is anyway of when does it stop sounding Old.

Jack: Exactly, exactly. It just needs to be a point that somebody has, like a weird revelation and they're like, what the f***? If I play English from then it's different.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: No, we can't call it old Old English. This must be something different. From now on, I must say, it's this.

Cristina: We'll just continue saying it's English and.

Jack: Just rename the past. S***.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Well, that's old English. Well, no, that's old Old English. Well, that's old, Old Old English.

Cristina: We should just stick to. It's all English.

Jack: That doesn't make any sense. Because if you were to grab somebody speaking English from like the 1700s, you'd be like, what the f*** are you saying?

Cristina: That is true.

Jack: But not English. But that was English.

Cristina: That was Exactly. And it didn't just go from that to this. It slowly morphed into this.

Jack: So it naturally shaped. So we need to make.

Cristina: So it's still English.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: It's like the baby and an old man.

Jack: Like they're not the same, but they are.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Fair, fair. Like gradually. He wasn't just suddenly an old man.

Cristina: Yeah. It's a weird transformation, man.

Jack: It's weird how everything is gradual, though. Yes, that's strange. The arrow of time is weird because it's not like one panel, then the next, it's like. No, it's seamless.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's no this and that. It's just we're going through it gradually.

Cristina: Unless you had a time machine.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And then you would see.

Jack: No, here's interesting point you'd make, but from your point of view, it's still seamless.

Cristina: It still seems.

Jack: Yes. A time machine couldn't work if you had a cut to black in the middle because you couldn't control where you're going. So it would work like this. Think of the time machine, right? The guy walks into the time machine. If he had a watch inside that time machine and looked at it, it's still moving at normal pace on his wrist. It's outside the time machine that everything is moving rapidly.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Not only that, from inside the time machine, you're just watching it move at rapid pace. It's not, I'm here, I'm there. It's in order or reverse order, but it's still seamless. There's no, well, here's the black part, and now here's where the rest of it continues. That never happens ever at all. There's never experience of nothingness. It never happened. There's no between the panels. So Even with a time machine, it's still now. It's just now back then.

Cristina: It's now back then.

Jack: Yes. It's still his now. He got. He walked. Okay, this is a ten minute event.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He's walking in. It takes him two minutes to walk from his house to the time machine in his way far backyard. And he gets into the time machine. Two minutes pass by. Now he's in that time machine for, let's say, six minutes. Right? He's in that time machine for six minutes. So he walks the time machine, two minutes go by. He got in the time machine. Now he didn't just reality didn't cut out. Now he hits some buttons within this time, you know, and starts slowly speeding up. And time starts going backwards faster and faster and faster and faster. But he sees it gradually speed up. He can witness the experiences happening in reverse order or whatever. And then as he's getting there, starts slowing down, slowing down, slowing down. And then he turns off the machine. And then he walks out of the machine. And it takes him two minutes to get to his house. A week ago. Right. From his point of view, that is still now, even if, time wise, it was a week ago. He didn't blink back to a week ago. He's still aging forward and perceiving time forward as he's moving backward. So there's no cut in seamlessness to him. He has to traverse space even if time is in reverse.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And there's no cut in space perception.

Cristina: So what is he seeing when he's in the machine?

Jack: He's just seeing the inside of the machine.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Which is still moving at normal pace. Even if he had a watch on his arm and looked at the time, it's moving at normal pace. And when he got out, if he doesn't get out exactly the same minute from a week ago, the clock is gonna be not in sync. Because the clock wasn't moving backwards on his. The watch isn't moving backwards on his wrist.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So it's all seamless. Even his bubble of time, while everything around him is changing, is seamless. As he's looking out and seeing a change, and as he's inside, there's no I have left space.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then things change. But that's also why time travel would be impossible. Because space and time are one thing. It's space time. So you could not exit time to move space.

Cristina: Ah.

Jack: And you could not exit space to move time.

Cristina: What could do something like that?

Jack: Nothing. They're the same thing.

Cristina: You have to be outside of space and time already.

Jack: Yeah. You have to be outside both or you're in both at the same time. Because you can't be out of place without being there at a time. It's impossible. And you can't be at a time without being there at a place.

Cristina: Can't really travel.

Jack: It's impossible. Time travel is impossible minus our time machine.

Cristina: Besides our time machine.

Jack: Besides our time machine. But our time machine does not. Our time machine breaks seamlessness.

Cristina: How?

Jack: Because it's more like a wormhole, I'm assuming.

Cristina: How does the wormhole break anything?

Jack: Because when we get into the time machine, there's no. Everything is moving in reverse. We hit a button and boof, we're there. It just moves us to that space and time. It does not remove us from space.

Cristina: We're still traveling from space and time, though.

Jack: I don't know. That doesn't make sense. Right, because that's complicated. If you think of how space time is affected. Could. It's. It would be impossible in any aspect, right?

Cristina: Yeah. Like if we're gonna go forward, that means. I don't know. I don't know. Because it would be like the time machine. We wouldn't really be moving. We'd be where we are.

Jack: Well, no, he's moving in the time machine. This. The problem with it is that somehow, and this doesn't make any sense, he did manage to stop space, but move time. But in reality that wouldn't work.

Cristina: No, no, no.

Jack: Because if the machine is on Earth moving with Earth's rotation because he got out at the same spot that he got in, then the machine must be affected by time itself because it's moving with the planet. The planet's rotation can affect.

Cristina: If we could have a machine that's also a spaceship, then can it be a space time machine?

Jack: What about the space inside of the machine? You're. You'd have to. You'd have to witness nothing in that time. You have to cut to black because you couldn't physically be anywhere because you left time. And if you're affected by time. Well, if you're affected by space, you're affected by time problem.

Cristina: So you're gonna age. No, but. Yeah. I don't know.

Jack: Although the most practical way would be a spaceship because what doesn't happen in the time machine, which is giant f****** loophole, is the planet is still moving.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It would just not be there. And it's moving so fast. In a galaxy that's moving well in a star system that's moving so fast in A galaxy that's moving so fast.

Cristina: It doesn't matter because. Yeah, you would still age no matter what, though. Like, if you were to travel a hundred years in the future, you'll be 100 years older. Like, there's no separating you from space and time.

Jack: Well, that's what the argument. Right. Like the argument would be, somehow you removed yourself from space and time. But what the f*** does that mean? Yeah, because if you moved space. Well, you move the time of space forward. Where are you?

Cristina: Yes, where are you?

Jack: Where are you?

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know.

Jack: It's weird. You shouldn't be able to see it happening, because that means you're there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And he could. He could see it happening.

Cristina: So that means he's aging. But he's what stops him from aging.

Jack: Yeah, well, he is aging, but he's aging at normal rate.

Cristina: What if he was a vampire?

Jack: No, no, no. He's aging at normal rate. He's in the ship, aging at a normal pace. However long, every second is a second long. In a normal second time span, even if outside the second time is moving faster in the machine, somehow it's not. So he isolated a pocket of time.

Cristina: And space in the machine.

Jack: In the machine. But then where the f*** is a machine? And why didn't you. Like, when the machine stopped, why didn't you immediately suffocate? Because you're not even in the galaxy anymore.

Cristina: Yeah, I don't. Yes.

Jack: If the machine is moving with the planet, and the planet is moving with the star, and the star is moving with the galaxy, and space is stretching all around it, you are so far from the next thing.

Cristina: What if the machine is attached to the Earth, though? Does that not change anything?

Jack: Well, then the machine is in space, which means it's also in time. So you should be aging with it.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: Which means you're just moving normal speed because you're feeling. You're just sitting there watching a normal day go by, huh? Because you're part of time space.

Cristina: No, that doesn't work.

Jack: Yeah, it doesn't. I don't know how our time machine works. It does. I don't know.

Cristina: How does.

Jack: I could not tell you how we're breaking the laws of reality. Anyways, that guy who runs everything.

Cristina: Which guy were we talking about?

Jack: The guy who runs Facebook.

Cristina: And above that, right?

Jack: Yeah. He's the dude above all that. He also runs a queen and he's in a chamber filled with adrenochrome. He's also Jesus. Same guy.

Cristina: Okay. Vampire Jesus.

Jack: Vampire Jesus. Which there's an episode about, I'm pretty sure about Vampire Jesus.

Cristina: Okay, so what about vampire Jesus?

Jack: Well, he runs the world. I'm not sure what my point was, but yeah, he runs the world. We know he's the guy above all of it.

Cristina: Where.

Jack: Because the argument was that we got the cancer information from Facebook that is cross referenced with Google somehow and the whatever data, because that's Google is really where we're getting the data of who the listeners are. And then Facebook is where we're getting the data of who has cancer because we get everybody's records because Facebook just readily sells it to us.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then we cross reference those things and we find out that our listeners have cancer. And then all of that is allowed because the guy above them both who is also the same dude who runs the world and gives the queen her immortality is Jesus the vampire. Because you know, Trina, Chrome and people.

Cristina: Don'T know this, but Jesus has a Z in his name.

Jack: Yes, he does. Yes, he does.

Cristina: One of those S's aren't isn't an.

Jack: S and there's no S's in his name. It's J U B E Z. No, it's J E, B U Z.

Cristina: J E B U Z U Z. Jebus Jeebus.

Jack: Okay, Jeebus Christ. So the text got it wrong.

Cristina: Alright.

Jack: It's a messed up in translation.

Cristina: Does the text even say that? The text doesn't say that.

Jack: What, his name?

Cristina: Yeah, Jesus is mentioned as Jesus. I thought someone told us that his name was Michael or something.

Jack: No, it's Emmanuel. And the guy named Jesus and the guy named Emmanuel are two different people.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But somehow the guy named Jesus managed to successfully convince everybody who already knew biblically his name was gonna be Emmanuel. He's like, that guy's me. And then everybody was like, oh yeah, right, right, right. Totally.

Cristina: Oh. So the prophecies said Emmanuel would be the next Messiah. Messiah. Yeah.

Jack: And then this Jesus guy came and he said, nah, it's me.

Cristina: Oh. And that worked.

Jack: And that worked.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And he was. Emmanuel was only mentioned once.

Cristina: Okay. So it's very forgettable.

Jack: It's very forgettable. And then this other guy's like, no, I'm that guy. And they're like, oh s***, he's that guy. He said it.

Cristina: Guy was like, hey, but didn't they. Don't we know his name? And that's not his name.

Jack: I don't know how this happened, man. My bet is somehow the people who were conspiring to create Christianity around that time decided if we say it enough.

Cristina: People will believe it.

Jack: Yeah. And if we find all the text that has his name and f****** burn it and just say it's Jesus now.

Cristina: That probably worked.

Jack: It probably worked. We know. Come on. Catholics, Christians, all the versions of Christianity early. But then Catholics got real serious about the massacre and murder and, like, taking lives and burning people and f****** crucifixions and all this crazy s*** that, like, created it in the first place. And then they hypocritically started doing it as well. So. Yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Murdering people.

Jack: Murdering people. The amount of genocide and murder that happened because Catholicism, which is a man.

Cristina: It's weird because that's not even, like, the main religion.

Jack: The main f******, like, a branch of some s***. And it became, like, the most powerful.

Cristina: Part of it because it's the darkest one.

Jack: Yeah, man. I know we've talked about this before, but it's just. It just trips me out that there's a religion that's like, we're gonna pretend to eat flesh and drink blood.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And drink the blood of our, like, Lord.

Cristina: Yeah, that's.

Jack: And we call him our Lord. He's our Lord. And we're gonna pretend to drink that blood because he told us to eat my flesh and drink my blood.

Cristina: That's why we kill for him.

Jack: Yo. And a lot of people have died for him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Crazy. And I'm like, no, it's perfectly fine.

Cristina: Yeah, we've gone to other countries and saying we're gonna convert them. And those people weren't converted.

Jack: No, they were murdered. And then we settled there, and we're like, yeah, yeah, we converted. We went. Failed to convert them, killed them, inhabited the area in which we murdered and said they were converted because now that land has our religion.

Cristina: Exactly. That's how it works.

Jack: Ah, conversion.

Cristina: Yeah, that's exactly kind way to say we murdered.

Jack: Yeah, it really is. We converted that area. And then you go there and it's like, wow, they're all white. Yeah, all of them. Not one. Like, they went to some random Middle Eastern country. The only Middle Eastern country that's predominantly Christian, and you go to that one. Middle Eastern country, white.

Cristina: What Middle Eastern country is that?

Jack: I don't know. It's a theoretical country.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And it's just white.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Peace. That happened here, though.

Jack: Yeah. All natives. We were gonna talk them out of Native American spiritualism and teach them Christianity. Meanwhile, they're all white. They're just white. They turned white. If you. If you partake in Catholicism, your skin slow. The more Catholic you are, the Whiter your skin gets.

Cristina: Yes. Like the picture of Jesus.

Jack: Yes. Jesus was black a long time ago, but he got more and more Catholic and slowly got whiter and wider and his hair just got straighter over time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's amazing.

Cristina: Yeah. That's all religion does. Or I guess Catholic, Catholics.

Jack: Other parts of Christianity are a little more welcoming, but not Catholics. You almost have to be white.

Cristina: Yeah. That's how. That's the conversion story.

Jack: Yeah, that's how it happens, man.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it's all thanks to vampire Jesus.

Cristina: Yes. I keep thinking, well, why did we get to vampire Jesus in the first place? I forgot.

Jack: Because Facebook. Because of Facebook and Google.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: Who run by the same guy. And cancer. Yes. Which in theory, he could just cure, I'm assuming. If he's who you say he is.

Cristina: Probably.

Jack: But he can't. No, he's just a vampire.

Cristina: He's just a vampire.

Jack: He can't cure cancer.

Cristina: Well, if adrenochrome makes you smarter, maybe you could.

Jack: Adrenochrome cures cancer?

Cristina: Yeah, it could, man.

Jack: His blood probably cures cancer, doesn't it?

Cristina: Yeah. We need some of his blood.

Jack: Is he who runs Illuminati? Is that our boss?

Cristina: Probably. I don't know. If we end up dead and we get replaced.

Jack: You know what? That's crazy. Yeah. And think about that.

Cristina: But I don't think anyone would notice. I mean, we're clones now. Like, if that happens, we'll be clones. So we wouldn't even know.

Jack: Yeah. That's also weird. But me and Yu's light would be turned out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like the next clones here. Yeah. The listener wouldn't be able to tell the difference. It's seamless. From one point to the them, at least.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The next episode is by these people. But then again, we were fully aware that we were replacing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So the next clones would just flat out tell them that.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess.

Jack: Like, hey, we're the replacement. Because it turned out. It turned out vampire Jesus did run the Illuminati.

Cristina: He didn't like what we said. I thought. You're not saying anything bad, so I'm sure he's fine.

Jack: Yeah, we're not saying anything bad. We're saying he could cure cancer.

Cristina: Yes. Like, we're promoting him.

Jack: We're promoting Jesus blood. You should drink more Jesus blood. You should all convert to Catholicism.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Touch all the children and drink Jesus blood.

Cristina: And that's how you live forever.

Jack: That's how you live forever, man. You know what's. Let's be real.

Cristina: That's How? The priests. The priests were trying to live forever.

Jack: Priests were trying to live forever. They were.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They were.

Jack: But like, these old people who do seem to live forever and are filthy rich and kind of run the world, are always f****** the kids. Yeah, man. Something about f****** kids makes you immortal. I don't know what. I know what part. I don't want to find out.

Cristina: I know.

Jack: But I know that something about f****** a kid makes you immortal. Because everybody who's chasing immortality or has somehow achieved it has f***** a child and drank Jesus blood. They're all Catholic and they all f*** kids. That's the two whammies that equal immortality. The blood part, we get it. Adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes, adrenochrome.

Jack: But also, somehow f****** a kid adds to your immortality. Or. Or you drink adrenochrome, you don't age more. But if you drink adrenochrome and then f*** a kid, you steal their youth.

Cristina: Oh, yes.

Jack: Or.

Cristina: Or I was thinking that the blood gets you, like, mate, turns you into a predator, so.

Jack: Well, no, this is. Wow. Actually, that could totally be the case. But different. Different take. Maybe. Maybe.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They're not f****** the kids. Maybe that's the f****** cover story. Because it's better than telling people we're getting the adrenal chrome from the kid's body and that's what gives us the youth.

Cristina: Yeah, that's. Yeah, yeah. I guess that would be worse if we found out they were.

Jack: Yeah, but like, they're drinking children blood, man. I'm just f****** kid, you know, send me to jail.

Cristina: No, but they end up dying if that's the truth too. Like, either way, they're f*** we.

Jack: What priest went to jail? What was his name? Right. So you could say that. And somehow the church is like, no, he was innocent. But if you say I drank. I killed and drank a kid's blood, or I was just slowly, like, siphoning.

Cristina: Blood off of a church's protection.

Jack: Yeah. Because the jer. The church is like, yes, kid f******. Okay, but kid blood drinking, bad, but not. Not really. But society will look further down on kid blood drinking than they would kid f******. So, like, the lesser of two evils. Let's say we're f****** the kids, not drinking the kids blood. And then we'll just deny it anyways.

Cristina: That's so horrible. It's all horrible. I guess that's better. I don't know. It's so, so bad. It's bad.

Jack: Yeah. And it's weird that this is where we landed, because one of the most Catholic countries in the world is England.

Cristina: No way.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Catholic.

Jack: Catholic.

Cristina: Are you positive?

Jack: Yes. England runs on Catholicism.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yep. There is heavy, heavy tradition there.

Cristina: How high? Maybe they know about this. That's why they're listening. They're like, you guys are on to.

Jack: Yeah, we're always hitting the. We're hitting it on the nose and they're like, yeah, s***'s always going on here. I got a kid in my basement right now. I've been siphoning some blood off of him for years.

Cristina: Please don't tell me about it.

Jack: He's like a teenager now. Yeah. Look, go in the comments below, Leave us a five star rating and tell us about the kids you got in your basement siphoning their blood on itunes.

Cristina: Do it on itunes.

Jack: On itunes. Yes.

Cristina: I feel like we. That's the only place we'll remember to check.

Jack: And Spotify.

Cristina: Would we check on Spotify? Can you check the comments on Spotify?

Jack: Dude, I have no idea how Spotify works.

Cristina: Maybe just do it on itunes because I don't know if we'd look on Spotify.

Jack: Who cares? Do it on both.

Cristina: Do it on both. Okay.

Jack: Leave us the same comment on both platforms.

Cristina: Okay, we'll try to look at both.

Jack: Yeah, well, we don't have to see it on both. If they leave it on Apple, we can just assume it's also on Spotify.

Cristina: Okay. Leave it for everyone else and then.

Jack: We'Ll make an episode where we read your comments about the children you have in your basement that you slowly siphon blood out of to be an immortal.

Cristina: Yep. Give us some stars with that too.

Jack: Yes. Five stars if you have a kid in your basement. But if you don't have a kid in your basement, you have to only give us five stars.

Cristina: Yes. And don't say anything.

Jack: Don't say anything. Don't leave a. No, I'll leave a review. Just say good. Good with a thumbs up emoji. Just say good with a thumbs up emoji.

Cristina: Yeah, we don't have children.

Jack: Yeah, well, they can't comment on an episode. I think. I think it's like a general kind of thing.

Cristina: But we would know, though, that they listened to this episode.

Jack: Yeah. Oh, s***. Should we choose an emoji per episode? Kind of like Sean Murray does for every no Man's sky dlc.

Cristina: Yeah. Ok. Thumbs up is this episode.

Jack: Yeah, Thumbs up is.

Cristina: Or the comment that you have children.

Jack: Yeah. Or. Or if you don't want to get caught, because I'm sure, like FBI is watching since f****** Apple doesn't give them their information. They're just watching comments and s***. You imagine some FBI agents job to scroll to comment to see where the pitas are, whatever. Yeah, so like if you don't want to get busted, they don't need to know. You don't have to be specific. Still leave us a five star rate.

Cristina: Say adrenochrome.

Jack: No, with the review. Just put the picture, the emoji of a kid.

Cristina: Oh my gosh.

Jack: Yeah, put a child emoji. Well, no, they're not f****** the kid. They're drinking their blood while trapping.

Cristina: Yes. And if you're not that person, just.

Jack: What was it do thumbs up.

Cristina: Thumbs up.

Jack: Thumbs up means you got no kids that you're siphoning blood off of. Kid emoji means you got a kid somewhere that you're siphoning blood off of for immortality sake.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I mean, look, let's be real. Somebody tells you, somebody tells you you can be immortal, you will never age, but you have to siphon blood off of a kid and drink it at least once a week. I'd rather die.

Cristina: I want to be like a real, like the vampire they show on TV where you can pick the age of your victim so it doesn't have to be a child.

Jack: So you can be like a teenager. Well, no, maybe people just. Maybe the age difference is what? Like you equal out at. Right. So you could pick age based on where you stand. Right. So if you're 30 and you pick like a 10 year old, then you land about 20. Right. But if you're at 30 and you pick a 20 year old, you land at about 25 of how you look and whatever, that's how like old you.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Recover to or whatever.

Cristina: Like what if you're an 80 or.

Jack: 80 year old, you get a 20 year old. Well, you got to hit the middle mark. Yeah. Do 80 minus 20 is 60 and then the middle point between 60 and 20 is 40. So you'd be about 40 if you're 80. That's pretty good.

Cristina: That's why they're sticking to you very young kids though. Because if you're 80 and you pick 10, how old are you?

Jack: Well then you only subtract 10. Oh wait, that doesn't work because you'd be older. Right.

Cristina: Well, okay, I was gonna see you.

Jack: Subtract 10 and then you find the middle point of that. But that doesn't work.

Cristina: No, no, no, no. He's the younger. You pick the younger. I guess.

Jack: Yeah, it should just be the middle point regardless of Subtraction.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the middle point of. No. Cuz. Yeah. I guess the older the first the kid is, the farther up the equal.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Turns out to be. So. Yeah. The middle point between 10 and 80 would be 40.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Would that be 40? 50, like 45.

Cristina: Okay, maybe.

Jack: Yeah, I guess like 45 or some s*** like that. No, that would be the middle of 90. Right. Because you break, oh, I don't know, whatever, some, whatever. Throw some s*** at the middle. That's where you land.

Cristina: You're half, you're half your age.

Jack: Yeah. So you got to try to get adrenal. You got to try to start siphoning off of a kid pretty young in order to maintain that youngness you don't. Like. If you're 20 and you're feeding off of another 20 year old, you just stay 20.

Cristina: Which is fine because. Wait, what? Because the adrenochrome isn't just for staying young.

Jack: Yeah. It's for immortality.

Cristina: But don't you get powers and stuff?

Jack: Yeah, all that stuff comes along with it.

Cristina: Yeah. Like I want for that you got.

Jack: To keep drinking as a problem. So you need to. After you dry this one out. Yeah. Catch another 20 year old.

Cristina: Oh yeah. Man, being a vampire sucks.

Jack: Being a vampire kind of blows. Yeah. But then man, that's crazy. So there's real vampires.

Cristina: Yeah, but it's work.

Jack: It's. I mean if you're powerful and fast and hyper intelligent. Because the adrenochrome, it's like easy show up in a bus.

Cristina: Most of them are super rich, so they have people go scout. Kidnapping people.

Jack: They probably have like a clone thing of their own. They just clone the same people over and over from the original. Just drink their blood. People who can't afford that are the ones who are out there eating like the poor vampires. I don't have crazy guap laying around. I gotta go siphon blood directly. Break into somebody's house.

Cristina: So those are the ones that are gonna comment on us?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Unless you think some of those wealthy. I mean people with the coffee.

Jack: Maybe. Maybe there's some like filthy rich.

Cristina: Filthy rich. What is it? Child emoji and they.

Jack: And a dot and like dollar bills or the dollar sign. Kids and. But if it's not a kid, man. But the problem is it's always kids. That's really the problem. Right. It's always kids. Rarely is there like what we found a bunch of grown adults being held hostage in somebody's basement. So I was like a kid went missing like 15 years ago. We found them now as an adult in a f****** basement or some s***. Yeah, they f****** snatching up children.

Cristina: Well, shouldn't. Why?

Jack: Like, because it makes them younger?

Cristina: No. If they're growing up as adults, wouldn't their blood stop being mean? Anything?

Jack: Yeah, that's why they keep adding people over time. They're just like, well, I can't let you go now. You'll bust my operations.

Cristina: Oh, I guess.

Jack: But like, I'm not a bad guy. I just love adrenochrome.

Cristina: Kill them and bury them somewhere.

Jack: No, they're not bad people. They're just adrenochrome lovers. Are you. Are you trying to tell me that a priest has the capacity to be evil? Or maybe he just wants immortality. He's not evil. A priest can't be evil.

Cristina: He's a man of the cloth of immortality. Evil, then.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because God's not real. That's why they're doing this. Religion is entirely fabricated so that we can siphon people for blood. Well, at least Christianity.

Cristina: But the demigods are real.

Jack: Well, the demigods are just people who've had adrenochrome for very long.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: If we've established before God himself was just a demigod who had the probably adrenochrome of demigods.

Cristina: How did he do it?

Jack: It's less that story, Right. You go and you eat people.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then you get so strong from people that you're kind of like a God. So then you start eating other gods.

Cristina: Until you run into Jesus.

Jack: Until you run into Jesus, who himself drank the blood of many, many, many, many, many, many gods. Then you drink Jesus blood. His blood is like your blood, but you've never had somebody's blood that's like your blood. You've had other God blood, but you've. You're the super mega God because you've had all the God blood. So now you got the super mega God blood. Mix it, you're super mega God blood, and then you become Jehovah. Now you're super. I don't even need adrenochrome anymore. I'm just everywhere.

Cristina: And then what? Then you die.

Jack: You go ahead and you create a universe with a bunch of people, and you have them. D***, did we crack it? Was that the solution? That was the solution we've been waiting to figure out. Like, how the dots connected on that one.

Cristina: Yes, that's why. But he also did it to make more of him.

Jack: Yeah, so that he can possibly drink the adrenochrome blood of that super omniscient God. That's what Jehovah wants. But it's so hard to get.

Cristina: So he's just looking for more blood.

Jack: He's. We know that he's trying to transcend to whatever the next thing is, but.

Cristina: We didn't know why.

Jack: But we didn't know why it's still about blood. You're human. Get adrenochrome, you become, you know. Superhuman.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then you have enough superhuman blood, you become demigod. You have enough demigod blood, you become omniscient God. You have enough omniscient God blood, you go to some s*** that we can't even fathom. Yeah, but Jehovah has not been able to. But with it, there's definitely a difference between Jesus and, like, Zeus. And I think Jehovah and Zeus are very similar. We just. Jehovah's way more mysterious and we don't know what it looks like. Yeah, but the idea is the same.

Cristina: He's probably a dude.

Jack: Yeah, just some guy. He likes being shady and hidden and secretive or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But, like, he's just like. Yeah, he looks like. Exactly. Just turns into earthly s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like, you're just a guy, bro. What if I lit that bush on actual fire?

Cristina: What if he was an animal in that bush? Like.

Jack: Like a giant gerbil, like in South Park.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like God turned out to be the weirdest creature.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I'm just a turtle or something.

Cristina: Crap. What's that creature that we asked to predict the weather?

Jack: You think he' the groundhog. You think the groundhog is like, Chuck from Supernatural is just some random s*** you wouldn't expect.

Cristina: Yes. That's too weird of a creature to give adrenochrome for that specific thing.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: It's too weird to be like, I'm blood, so you can tell me what the weather is gonna be like.

Jack: I don't think it happened in that order. I think it got a hold of blood by accident.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then you know, any. Almost anything that takes adrenochrome becomes, like, human. Like, if it's not already.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then it could talk and s***. And it's like, bro, I could somehow. I can't even explain it. I could see the weather and the seasons and the temperature and, like, I get it. I see it all. Like, what? It's like one. You're f****** talking groundhog. But wait, wait, wait. Let's ignore that part about you being a talking groundhog. You can detect the weather. You're saying our crops, man. Yeah, man. Our crops.

Cristina: That means he can predict the future, which means he could be.

Jack: Maybe it's just the weather. Maybe he's not like Johnny over there. He's gonna get hit by a bus tomorrow.

Cristina: But we don't know.

Jack: We don't.

Cristina: We need to speak to him. But we don't know the secret language of the groundhog.

Jack: Well, the groundhog speaks. No, they do have a f******. Yeah, we had a whole thing about that. Yeah.

Cristina: Secret society that communicates with him in his language.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Cuz all the adrenaline, people. Interesting. Interesting. So then we have a problem.

Cristina: What?

Jack: We got to go catch this f****** groundhog.

Cristina: We gotta, like, just to see if he's.

Jack: Well, now we're elevating because, you know, we. We before we were hunting s***. Of which there is more.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: There's one f****** groundhog that's doing this for whatever reason. We haven't given this to other groundhogs. There might be something about this groundhog that told us we probably shouldn't do this other ground. Maybe it's too op. Maybe it is God. Maybe we're just like, s***, we can't do this again.

Cristina: After he retired, he became the groundhog of this town. That predicts the weather. That's his retirement.

Jack: But Adrenochrome let him there.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. But like, he was doing stuff before.

Jack: Was he a groundhog, is the question.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or did he take the form of a groundhog?

Cristina: He was always a groundhog.

Jack: He was just always a groundhog.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Jehovah is the groundhog.

Cristina: Yeah. Because we don't. Because as far as. Oh, no, they do transform. There are creatures that transform. I forgot there's lots of.

Jack: Bunch of s*** that gets shapeshifting.

Cristina: So it is probably Chief's thing. Creature.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. But what the f*** chooses to be groundhog of all things?

Cristina: I don't know. Like, it's the most. It's the least suspicious thing.

Jack: I guess. We gotta catch it. We gotta find out if it's hard to catch and, like, overpower and, like, breaks out of our. Like, we got tech.

Cristina: If it bites us, do we get rabies? Is that type of thing.

Jack: No, I'm sure we just get powers.

Cristina: Or we get power.

Jack: It's like rolling around in radiation or something. Except you're rolling around in, like, celestial blood or you got bit by celestial rabies. That's a shortcut to superpowers.

Cristina: That's awesome.

Jack: It probably won't bite us for that very reason. It's the one that's, like, at all powerful.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We should try to force it to bite us.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Bam.

Cristina: What if we die, though?

Jack: You know, that's a trick. We luckily. And it always comes back to this, but we got subhumans to try this on. They're going to be obedient no matter what the case might be.

Cristina: Because if that does kill them, at least you know.

Jack: Yes. And if they become super overpowered, then we can make our army of subhumans way better by getting it to bite all of them and just hold this slave. If we can.

Cristina: Why are we doing this? The subhumans are already way stronger than us.

Jack: It's fine. They're never gonna disobey us. They're always on our side.

Cristina: It's gonna be so crazy when they decide to do that.

Jack: Why? Why would they ever decide? We've established that for whatever reason, they will never turn on us.

Cristina: I don't know. It feels like this is going. This is like the. Was it 501st or whatever.

Jack: We're just making them op. As.

Cristina: Yes. And just like they day that they're gonna turn on us at one moment.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no. Because we're the people who have the power to launch order 66. They'd be flipping for us.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Like, these subhumans are just people. Well, not. It's just our whole organization.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: But these subhumans are just people living their lives. It's like Fight Club. We're the people who make your food.

Cristina: But they came from China. I feel like if anyone's gonna flip them, it would be them. And then. Then they would turn on us.

Jack: China. Property of the queen. Queen. Part of the Illuminati.

Cristina: Oh, boom. Then the queen can do it.

Jack: But we also have the power to launch the orders. We're all part of the same corporation. We work together. She's high ranking.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, if we're like, we're gonna launch and she's like, no, you're not, then obviously. No, we're not.

Cristina: No, I guess not. Okay, so we'll have some overpowered superhuman super clones. Not clones. But aren't they. They're actual people.

Jack: Yeah. There's subhuman.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't know how we landed on subhumans as a name, but they're smarter, stronger, faster, more independent, more purely human. Because they were just born, and then we genetically engineered them to be way stronger and better.

Cristina: Yeah. They were just children that no one wanted.

Jack: Yeah. They're aborted babies that were raised.

Cristina: Oh, they were aborted babies? Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. All the aborted babies that were Raised.

Cristina: So that we could stop people from having abortions.

Jack: Yes, the sub humans were the solution to abortion deaths.

Cristina: Yeah, we solve things, though.

Jack: We solve things. Look, this is. This is important. We came to conclusions and solutions. Resolutions came up with plans. We gotta catch a groundhog. Maybe make the subhumans even better. Maybe make our own gods to take down. We still have to go attack the gods of cat people. We don't know if they did it through adrenochrome, which now starting to sound more like.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, their magic is probably science.

Jack: Yeah, they're demigods. That's all it is. They're hyper intelligent people who had a bunch of blood and Jesus was probably in cahoots with them. And then whatever Jehovah is probably also. And then drank some of their blood. Boom. Became some op s***.

Cristina: Yeah, so we gotta get all our demigods to fight their demigods.

Jack: F***. You know what? We never thought about it. Makes perfect sense hitting the f****** subhumans with some adrenochrome, see what happens. They're already jacked up.

Cristina: No, because I'll turn them into something else.

Jack: As long as we don't have adrenochrome. That would turn them into something else. Okay, well, I mean, I guess they could turn something else, but it would turn them feral if they didn't have more. Yeah, they should stay sharp and clear.

Cristina: So we got to get them hooked.

Jack: We got to choose half, make sure.

Cristina: That they stay on it.

Jack: Yeah, we got to take half of all the sub humans and let them feed on the other half of the subhumans regularly, but not so regularly they drain them. So the other half, volunteers, gets into some pods to keep them alive, and the lights get shut out. And then they get forever siphoned by the other half. That becomes super smart. They already are, but like super smarter and more strong than they already are and faster and like all the maximized. Yeah, plus whatever powers they get. Yeah, but powers come along with that.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: And then we use these demigods we created. Go send them through the pyramids using entanglement, through that technology, straight to where the cat gods are.

Cristina: Yeah, us.

Jack: And then have them capture some of the cat gods, bring them back the same way. And now we got cat gods with us. We can start questioning what the. How old they are, where they've been. What the is happening? What's on the other side? Is it safe for us to go and investigate? Or should the subhumans. They're gonna be like, no, you should not Go over there. You can't survive. Or what? A don't let us know.

Cristina: Yes. That is so much information we need to know.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Crazy. But we figured it out.

Jack: We figured it out. We came to solutions. It's all great. This is a productive meeting we're having.

Cristina: Yes. We've been trying to figure this out forever.

Jack: Yeah, we've been trying the one get over there to figure out what's up with Jehovah.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We solved the Jehovah problem. Now we know how to send somebody all the way to the cat people and solve that problem.

Cristina: Yeah, it's.

Jack: All the pieces are here.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: Wow.

Cristina: Yeah. And I knew it had to do with adrenochrome. I just didn't know how.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: My original plan was we would take adrenal chrome and go to space to where the cat people were.

Jack: You totally did.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You thought adrenochrome would somehow do that. But it wasn't going to protect us in space.

Cristina: Exactly. Yeah.

Jack: But we were being dumb because we were thinking us with adrenal.

Cristina: Yes. And we didn't have the pyramids.

Jack: And we did have the pyramid. Yes. Now we don't have to traverse base. We can blink to the other side.

Cristina: Yep. Oh, we did it.

Jack: We did it. We got to the bottom of things.

Cristina: Well, we're gonna get to the bottom of things.

Jack: Well, yeah, we got to the bottom of how we're gonna get to the bottom of.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yes. Yes.

Jack: I like that. We got this episode. We got to the bottom of how we're gonna get to the bottom of things.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's a punchline. Definite. So, yeah, I guess if. If you like this conversation, there's. There's a lot like it you could go find when we're talking about vampire Jesus. There's one. We're talking about Jehovah's adrenochrome. We talk about God a lot. And all the different aspects about cat people. The cat people. There's a bunch of.

Cristina: Started with a time machine.

Jack: It started with a time machine when I went back to kill. Not went back. When I started sending people into a version of me to stop cat people from taking over the world as a human population declined. And then send people in the future so they could repopulate and not let it decline was a very genius solution. Anyways, you can find those. There's an. And a bunch of adrenochrome episodes, of course. So many.

Cristina: And Catholic.

Jack: Oh, yeah. Like religion, Catholicism and all that stuff. You can find all of that stuff. On the official website greatthoughts.info. or on Apple podcasts or Spotify or anywhere you get podcasts.

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Jack: Yes.

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Cristina: Yes. And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth, very important. And this whole episode was just to tell you for the most part that all of our British listeners keep listening and getting more people to listen so that we can get more people to listen. By getting them to listen.

Cristina: Yes. And cancer.

Jack: And cancer. Well, you don't want your life to be meaningless. You heard it. You got cancer. And I get more people to listen so that your life wouldn't mean.

Cristina: Yep. This has been the just conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: Are you sure you didn't mish hear what they were saying?

Jack: I am 100% sure I did not mishear what they were saying.

Cristina: Are you sure?

Jack: Kug nug fug. It is a thing.

Cristina: It's not a thing.

Jack: It is a thing.

Cristina: Kug nug fug it. No. No, it's not. That's a lie.

Jack: I'm thinking context clues, right? It's like God d*** you.

Cristina: How?

Jack: Or D*** it. D*** it. Oh, you f****** idiot. You cugnuck it. It's like the value of X.

Cristina: But how could you even guess that from a.

Jack: It's based on the tone of how they look. Like they were joking around in whatever language they were talking.

Cristina: What did they look like? Bros. A bunch of bros is the bro language.

Jack: No, it's not a bro language. It was just a bunch of bros speaking their native langu, which was a language I've never heard before. But bros aren't smart enough to come up with their own language.

Cristina: So how do you know?

Jack: Because bros are bros. So you can't bro your way to a new language maybe. Nah, it ain't how it works. Are you sure all bros speak English?

Cristina: I don't know, because that's not English. But that's not anything that's nothing.

Jack: Coggin. The f*** it.

Cristina: It's nothing.

Jack: It's a thing. It's the most important word in all of language.

Cristina: You don't even know what it means.

Jack: The meaning of life is behind what kug nug f*** it is. No, you don't know this to say. No, you don't know.

Cristina: You don't know this to say.

Jack: No, I know that. Kug nug fug. It is a word. It's not a word, it's a fact.

Cristina: That's the word you made up a few minutes ago.

Jack: No, I. I am telling you that throughout the course of my entire life, I've heard foreigners say kug nug it casually.

Cristina: I've never heard it.

Jack: I've heard it always. Since the day I was born.

Cristina: You're lying.

Jack: Since I began to hear language, I have heard kugnog.

Cristina: No, you don't remember that.

Jack: Yes, I remember the day I was born and the first thing the doctor said. When he held me, he looked at me. He was like, oh, what a cute little kug nug F*** it.

Cristina: You know what? How do you know that's not your name? I don't know. That's my conclusion. That's your name.

Jack: My name is. My name has been Kug nug f*** it this whole time.

Cristina: Yes, that's fire. Who are those ghouls? Are they your brothers?

Jack: Oh, s***. Do I know these people?

Cristina: Morning. The Just Conversation podcast, hosted by Christina Colazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

October 02, 2021

Rambling 145: Gods vs Death Note

October 02, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

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What constitutes something being godly? Must it be immortal? Omniscient? Have created the universe or reality? Been born of a god? And could any of these instances survive having their name written in the Death Note? The duo unpacks the definition of a god and puts them on a 1v1 with Light Yagami and his notorious Death Note

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Topics Discussed

Death Note
Gods of Death
Gods of Destruction
Zeno
Jehovah
Zeus
Odin
Advanced Aliens
Angels vs Demi-Gods
The Nothing
Omniscience
The Grim Reaper
Defining Godliness

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yeah, so scream at somebody.

Cristina: Scream.

Jack: That's all I gotta say.

Cristina: Scream about the show or just scream.

Jack: No, just scream. Don't know.

Cristina: Just scream and they'll know.

Jack: Don't know. You just run up to somebody and you go. And they'll be like, oh, right, I forgot to listen to the show. Or if you just. Ah, wait, the Just Conversation podcast exists as a thing.

Cristina: They'll just understand.

Jack: They'll just understand. You just have to say it with that in mind. It's kind of like Death Note where you got to write the name with the right person in mind. Because somebody else has the name, that person has a potential of dying. So if you know what they look like and then you use their name.

Cristina: If you don't know what the person looks like, but you just know their name, no one dies. Right.

Jack: If you don't know what the person looks like and you don't use it, I don't know.

Cristina: Because the point is you have to know and then that person dies. If you're just writing a name down that's very popular, no one's gonna die.

Jack: Yeah, I think it needs a name and a face. Right.

Cristina: But if you know the face and you use a fake name, why does it matter? Why is it that exact? Because if you have the person in mind, if that's what's really important, like why do they care if you have their name right or wrong? Like what if I wrote down your nickname? Why should it matter if I know who I'm thinking of when I'm writing it? To kill you or whatever?

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. It's weird because the name is man made.

Cristina: Exactly. That's a weird thing for the gods to care about.

Jack: I don't know. Maybe there's inherent names that people are given before they come to life and their parents just know inherently, this is what this person is called, but the name was given to them beforehand. Yeah, that's why you need a name and a face.

Cristina: Yeah, I said gods. But what are they they are called gods. Right.

Jack: Shinigami are gods of death.

Cristina: Gods of death.

Jack: Okay, different to gods of destruction.

Cristina: Who's a God of destruction? There's a God of destruction on the show?

Jack: No, but there's Beerus from Dragon Ball Z. Oh, okay. He's God of destruction.

Cristina: Oh, yes.

Jack: The question is, could a Shinigami kill Beerus with a simple notebook?

Cristina: Definitely.

Jack: The OV Man. Here's a problem. That notebook is so overpowered. Yeah, like light versus anybody.

Cristina: If he knows.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. All he needs is Misa Amane by his side. Yeah, she can see their literal name.

Cristina: Yeah, we'll know Beerus's whole name. If that's not his whole name, write it down. It's done.

Jack: It's over.

Cristina: Yeah, you can kill a cat God. I mean, God of destruction.

Jack: You can kind of kill anybody. Now my question is, can the notebooks. Can the Death Note be used to kill Zeno? Zeno creates the universe, which is to say, Zeno and Arceus are, in theory, the same thing.

Cristina: Who's Arceus?

Jack: Arceus is the poke God.

Cristina: Oh, okay. But can the death. What are those creatures called again?

Jack: The Shinigami.

Cristina: Shin Megamis. Write down each other's name to kill them?

Jack: I don't know. I know that Light was told he cannot write a Shinigami name. It would do nothing.

Cristina: Could a Shinigami do that?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Because if they can't, then maybe they can't kill Beerus or any other God.

Jack: Interesting. But Beerus is an alien.

Cristina: But he's called a God of destruction. But he's not an actual God.

Jack: Yeah, he's a literal being on a planet. Yes, sort of. Yeah. Because Vegeta just became a God. It's a. It's a power degree.

Cristina: Oh, okay. But Zeno is a true God. Or is that just another power?

Jack: This is what's weird, because Zeno seems to be himself an alien.

Cristina: They all seem like aliens. Yeah, it's like the dragons are aliens to me.

Jack: No, the dragons are magic.

Cristina: Are they?

Jack: Yeah, because they were made by a creature.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: And then the dragon, for example, the regular dragon is made by Kami, the first dragon. He made the dragon balls. And then so he's like power. And then he comes from that power. And he has the power to grant wishes, which is borderline.

Cristina: That's the universe one.

Jack: I don't know where the f*** that came from.

Cristina: Someone had to make the balls for that.

Jack: Maybe Zeno.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. If he's behind making the planets he's made, he made everything yeah, in theory.

Jack: He made everything.

Cristina: Okay. He could probably die, I don't know. Because he's an alien.

Jack: Yeah, that's the argument. He's not. He's God in the. In that he made everything else. Yes, but he's not God in that he is immortal.

Cristina: We don't. How is he not immortal?

Jack: He's. He could probably die. Here's. Okay, there's two xenos, right? Can one xeno kill the other? That's the argument. Okay, is he immortal? Well, there's two of them already. Meaning he exists within time.

Cristina: He does.

Jack: He exists within time. And anything within time can eventually expire. He doesn't exist outside of time. He's just an alien. In order to be God, you have to exist outside of time. That is point number one, forever.

Cristina: But he can only. It's not time that restricts him, I think it's just the reality, Right? No, but then how did the other one get there?

Jack: Yeah, there's two. Yeah, and there's from. They're from different times. Yeah, One hopped with them from the past as the universe was collapsing. Of course, he was the one who collapsed the universe. Yes, but he was in a different timeline where he. It wasn't the same him. It wasn't the same him. It's him. It's him from a different timeline. Yeah, and then he met the future him or the previous him or whatever.

Cristina: Yes, the other him.

Jack: So he doesn't exist everywhere at all times? No, he is not omniscient.

Cristina: Oh, no, he's not.

Jack: Okay, because if it was in theory, if you're God and you exist everywhere all at the same time, I can talk to you now. Take a time machine a hundred years in the past, talk to you, and you would remember me talking to you in the future, because there's no difference.

Cristina: Do the. What are they called? The Q from Star Trek?

Jack: Yes, they can remember you in the present, past and future because to them time doesn't matter. They're more God than Zeno. Boom.

Cristina: Were they once human? What are they? No, they're just being. We. Not. We don't even know what they look like. They're just. They appear to us what we look like because we're looking at.

Jack: Yes, but you did explain that they were once just like humans. Ah, that's the problem.

Cristina: But they're not humans. Or they. Were they humans or were they.

Jack: There's no such, like, human thing that there were. That there were other humans.

Cristina: Like aliens. Yeah, they were aliens that were similar to humans. I mean.

Jack: Yes, yes. They were just mortals.

Cristina: Yeah. That's why. I mean, and they're.

Jack: They're kind of still mortals because Q was going to be executed.

Cristina: Oh, yes. But he says their death is different from.

Jack: Yes, it means something different, but it's still a thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like when we talk about Jehovah. Right. And we're talking about, did God die? What does that mean?

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: Like, okay, first let's talk about time scale. God can live throughout the entire existence of humanity. And that was a blip. That was an afternoon for him.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: When we smash two atoms together, a universe could happen in there. We're talking recreating the Big Bang. And in there, all the same particles that create our universe exist. There could be galaxies and planets and universe happens and life happens within this one infinitesimally small point, and we would never even know that a universe came to be and ceased to exist in the big blink of an eye. Smaller fractions of a second that we can count or fathom. Yeah, but we outlived it, and it was a fraction of a second to us. But there were entire lives lived in that one moment.

Cristina: And that would be what God is.

Jack: Well, God would be in our position where it's like, okay, our entire universe.

Cristina: Well, that God can die.

Jack: Then the theory is, if that's an accurate depiction, then God could die.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It would just be really, really, really a timescale. Exactly. It's beyond infinity to us. Yeah, but to God, it's a normal lifespan.

Cristina: Yes. But he's still God. Or he's not the ultimate God that you imagine. The last level God. He's just a demigod God.

Jack: Well, this creates a problem because if is. Is. If there's an ultimate God, then there's.

Cristina: An end, then there's an end, then.

Jack: There'S an end to things. That means there's a biggest size. Oh, you get my point. So the question is, is there or is there always something bigger, greater and more complicated?

Cristina: Yes, I'm going with yes, I think so.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: Just keeps going up.

Jack: Because then the argument would be Zeno was made by something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He exists within a space that doesn't make sense to us, but he is just one of the many within that space. My argument is Jehovah, the Christian God, is either one of many gods, including Zeus as one of them and including Odin as one of them. Where all these different gods are actual gods, more God than the demigods we're familiar with, like Thor or Ares, or does Hercules count Lucifer or these other really powerful beings that aren't omniscient. But also these beings are only omniscient by our point of view.

Cristina: The gods.

Jack: The gods I just mentioned are only omniscient by our point of view. But they're all equal to each other. Meaning not any of them is better. They're all equal somehow.

Cristina: Yeah, we just wouldn't understand.

Jack: Yes. And they exist in an ecosystem in which there is something greater.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, I'm not saying Odin is related to Jehovah. I'm saying they're just people within whatever reality they exist.

Cristina: Or they're just different aliens from each other.

Jack: Well, in this argument, they would be aliens. Or the concept alien doesn't make sense. But they're not the top. Yeah, because there would be no top. They're just the products of whatever universe they're in. And then that universe has a bunch of the thing that made them that's also just one of many.

Cristina: They probably have their own gods, if they.

Jack: Yeah, maybe they each worship somebody different. Or they all worship the same God that said, make your own. Like, you're only really living, existing accurately. You only exist accurately if you make civilizations. And so they all worship the same thing. So Jehovah made civilizations and Odin made civilizations, and Zeus made civilizations because following the path of he who made us.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they preached make civilization. And the three of us made civilization.

Cristina: Yes. They made mad crap. It wasn't just humans, I guess. Like, if the angels are something, then what are they? Are they aliens to us?

Jack: No, no, no, no. The angels is just the name for the demigods Jehovah made.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: The same way that, like Zeus and you know.

Cristina: Yeah. They're his group of people that he hangs out with.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. It's all. He just wanted a special name. They're called angels.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But it's the same. It's the same concept. They all fit the same roles. Raphael is what, the. The health angel of health and love or some s***. And there's Michael of war. Like, what's the difference in Michael and Ares? They both wore things.

Cristina: Yeah, you know, same s***. Different names.

Jack: Different names. So then are we to say Zeno is less than Jehovah, Odin and Zeus, or Zeno is equal to Jehovah, Odin and Zeus? My argument would be what? He's more than.

Cristina: He's more.

Jack: He's more than.

Cristina: Why? It sounds like he's the same because he made life. If that's all that they had to do.

Jack: Well, the Greek made were made by Zeus. The what is the Irish or something like that were made by Odin or whatever region that's from. And the Italians were made by Jehovah. That all exists within our planet?

Cristina: Well, we don't really know. I mean, each God claims to have made everyone.

Jack: Yes. But we know it began and all the events took place in a small area.

Cristina: Oh, so you. So fair enough that they're all lying.

Jack: Yeah. I think when we say Zeus, we're talking about two different people. I mean, not Zeus. When we say Jehovah, we're talking about two different people. Right. So I constantly make the argument about good God, bad God.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So there is the Hebrew. There's the Hebrew God Jehovah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He's wrathful and dark and destructive. He's from Israel.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And the other one, he made the Jews. He made the Israelites.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: While the Christian all forgiving God, Jehovah.

Cristina: Did he not also make the Jews?

Jack: Well, no, he made the Christians. He's Italian.

Cristina: He's Italian.

Jack: He made the Italians. Italy and all that stuff. That's Christianity.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: While the Hebrews are Jewish.

Cristina: Okay. So yes. Different gods.

Jack: Different gods, different regions. They fueled demi as compared to somebody like Zeno, who made f****** everything.

Cristina: If you. Did he really make everything? I mean, because there's so many things under him that they could have made their own thing.

Jack: Here's the problem. Zeno really decided to blink existence out of Feyre. And he could.

Cristina: Oh yeah, he could do that.

Jack: He actively was like, so this is really bad. Yeah, it's really bad. Okay, I'll destroy it.

Cristina: Alright. Yes. Yes.

Jack: The end. That was it. It was just like, okay, yeah, he's.

Cristina: A lot like the supernatural God who is going out and blinking out different realities.

Jack: This Zeno would crap on the supernatural God.

Cristina: Yeah. Because he had to actually take turns. He'd slowly.

Jack: He had to. Yeah, he had to break it apart. Zeno was like, well, it's gone.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that was it. That's all it took.

Cristina: But he purposely did it slowly.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: He wanted to be dramatic, the story. Yes. So he might be the same. He might be equal to Zeno.

Jack: Interesting. So that's to say that the God from Supernatural is quite different than the God we talk about when we think about the two variants of Jehovah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Light and dark and Zeus and Odin.

Cristina: He's more powerful than them.

Jack: Yes. Qs are about as powerful as Zeno.

Cristina: Even though they don't make anything or destroy anything.

Jack: But they could.

Cristina: Could they really?

Jack: Yeah. One of the arguments was, does humanity deserve to exist. That's what Q was trying to. Q was trying to save humanity. But first Q was in trial, and then Q put humanity on trial.

Cristina: When he did that, though, how do you know if they were really on trial? Like, how real was that?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Because he's such a trickst.

Jack: Yeah, he's a troll. He's a troll?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't know. He's a troll.

Cristina: Like, he could be lying about everything he's ever said.

Jack: I think, if anything, he deserves the respect that he doesn't seem to be lying. He trolls, but he seems to be telling the truth always. And he's really upfront. He just wants you to figure out the solution.

Cristina: Yeah, but sometimes he puts them in danger, and it's not real danger.

Jack: He never said they were gonna die. He doesn't lie to you. He eludes.

Cristina: Ah, okay. It's hard to trust him. It really is. Do you think he's equal to.

Jack: I think he. His people at least, have the capacity collectively to extinguish entire civilizations instantaneously. The question is, could they remove a universe in its function?

Cristina: No, I don't think so.

Jack: You don't think so?

Cristina: That's crazy. That's.

Jack: Q could be anywhere at any moment.

Cristina: But you also said he could die.

Jack: But he could die. The question is, could Zeno die?

Cristina: Exactly. We don't know that. Like, he destroyed everything and he was still alive.

Jack: Well, he left on a ship.

Cristina: Yeah, that's true. But, like, you think he would have just died? He would have destroyed everything and died with it?

Jack: Maybe.

Cristina: I don't think so. He would have just made something new, I think.

Jack: I don't know. There's no way to know.

Cristina: There's no way to know.

Jack: The fact that he doesn't exist everywhere at all times already makes him a different thing. Yeah, because. Because Q does. Q could just be wherever at any given moment in time.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Q's gift, Picard, was teaching him how to think outside of time by forcing him to have the same memories at three different points of his life. That was the last episode of Next Generation where he was blinking back and forth and he had to use the knowledge of all times to work through the problems he was dealing with.

Cristina: And you think that's more complicated?

Jack: Well, I think that's more godly.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Zeno does not have that ability.

Cristina: No. We can definitely create and destroy everything.

Jack: So then the question is, nobody is 100% anything. Zeno is not all knowing and he's not all present, but he is all powerful.

Cristina: He is all powerful. Yeah.

Jack: While Q is all present. Maybe not all powerful and not all knowing. Because he could have just read the minds of the humans and known their capacity or seen the future and known it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I guess he could, in theory, see the future, though.

Cristina: Yeah. So.

Jack: But he needs to interact with them at that time. So I guess he chooses different moments to interact with them. Because he could exist at all times, but he doesn't interact with them at all times.

Cristina: That's complicated.

Jack: Like, why doesn't he then?

Cristina: He does feel limited.

Jack: Yeah, There is some. There is some capacity to what he's doing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they both feel limited, but they're.

Cristina: The closest thing to something complete. They're the closest to all the gods because they're all very. Even more limited than those two.

Jack: Yes. I think Q and Zeno are definitely way than the supernatural God. Maybe he's up there too.

Cristina: Him too. Yeah.

Jack: But he's not all knowing. They could block him off from knowing things.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it's because in the case of the supernatural God, there is more going on to that God.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we have the fact that, like in the previous episode, we discussed that he came to exist not as one, but as two. Factually and maybe as three. Yes, it is possible. God, darkness, and death happened simultaneously, and not one of them came first because the nothing was there first.

Cristina: Yeah. So is that the true goddess God? Does it know everything in supernatural?

Jack: That God is the most gaudy God, but that God is also limited.

Cristina: Yes, it is.

Jack: It's more powerful than all the other s*** and still limited.

Cristina: It is limited. I don't know. But it is. I don't. But their God, though, is really up there too. I mean, the only reason he lost was because of Jack, who's also kind of. He's a God too. Pretty much.

Jack: But that means God could die from another God.

Cristina: It takes a God to kill a God. I mean.

Jack: Yeah, it does. It does. But the fact that a God could die at all means they're less godly than we think they are.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, wait. Jack used his sister to help him kill, Right? What happened with his sister? No, the God killed his sister. Right.

Jack: The darkness. I don't remember how that was included. They needed a couple of things. Like God was op, but God wasn't infinite.

Cristina: No. They're gonna use his sister against him. But then he convinced her to be on his side and he took her inside him. Pretty much some weird thing like that.

Jack: And this God doesn't exist throughout all of time either. He couldn't die in that case.

Cristina: Because he does die.

Jack: And he does die, which means he didn't know this would happen. Which means he's bound to whatever current time there is.

Cristina: But he's writing what's happening, so that's really complicated.

Jack: Not entirely. Not entirely. There's some. That's why he likes Simon Dean. They're too unpredictable to him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There is some aspect of the universe that he has no control over. So he didn't design the universe he exists within, or maybe design the universe. He didn't create reality.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He exists within reality and he makes things inside of reality. But there's an inherent feature of reality that he does not control. That affects everything in reality. And thus Sam and Dean are a product of that. And they can do whatever they want.

Cristina: Yes. But a lot of their luck turned out to be thanks to God.

Jack: Yes. But also, he has no idea what they're going to do half the time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What he loved about them is that he could tell them to do something they wouldn't. That's random and unpredictable. And that means he doesn't control everything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And there's different degrees. Death himself is a runner of things. He has the books of who dies when they die, how they die. Which has nothing to do with God.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: God has no say in this. In fact, there's a book of God.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And God is not allowed to look at it. And God can't force Death to show him.

Cristina: Yeah. I'm God. I mean, Death can't betray when that moment's gonna happen. Like he can't decide, I'm gonna kill God.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Even if God was gonna kill him or something.

Jack: Yes. So there's like.

Cristina: They're all limited.

Jack: Every. Everybody's got a limit. So then even the goddess God, which we would say would be the Nothing. Or the other side of the gate.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There is still something higher.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know.

Jack: Because the God within the gate is in a place that's a f****** literal place. You can go to the gate.

Cristina: Which gate?

Jack: Full metal.

Cristina: Oh, that God.

Jack: And actually where the nothing lives is also a location.

Cristina: Yes. Don't know where that location is supposed to be.

Jack: Well, you transcend the physical reality.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or the physical universe. But you're still within reality. You're still perceiving. In both instances, then the way you would normally perceive is still very visual and auditory and tactile. So it's all the same senses, but you're experiencing it in some sort of ethereal form that's outside of Normal body constraints.

Cristina: But humans can't go there. I wonder if humans can go there.

Jack: To the other side of the gate. They can. You get pulled in.

Cristina: But I mean to. In the Nothing. Because only angels go there, as far as we can tell, I think.

Jack: Yeah. Jack and Castiel. And Castiel. And how did someone else want that?

Cristina: Sam?

Jack: How did Dean speak to it? Because he was familiar with the Nothing.

Cristina: Did he end up there? Did one of them end up there? I can't remember.

Jack: I can't remember either. That's interesting.

Cristina: I don't remember.

Jack: Oh, I think he did. I think when he finally ceased to exist, that's where he went. I don't remember who it was. I think it was Dean. I'm not sure anyways, because.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah, it's. It's kind of interesting to me. So it seems like no matter how far up we go, everybody has a limit. Like omniscience can't happen. Like, you can't be omni. Everything.

Cristina: If you are, then you are. Everything is there. It's not possible. It's not possible for there to be a God.

Jack: Yes. Because God would be a product of perception.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that means that you have to break down the concept of thought and subjectivity which goes beyond the concept of a God. A God has to think. A God has to exist.

Cristina: Yeah. So there can't really be the ultimate God that people think of.

Jack: Consciousness itself would be that.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The global consciousness is the one and only God. And it's everywhere at all times. Simultaneously existing with the nothing that is everywhere at all times.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And perceiving that nothing makes the universe.

Cristina: Yeah. And that's it. I guess. Yeah. But there's no God making decisions or anything. Because then that will ruin everything.

Jack: Yes. That's just an observation. And this is what you see.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That being said, this doesn't answer the question of.

Cristina: What was the question?

Jack: Is Q more powerful than Zeno?

Cristina: I feel like Zeno still wins. He blinked out a universe. He blinked out a reality, one of the many.

Jack: Instantaneously.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. I don't think Q can do that.

Jack: I don't think Q can do that either.

Cristina: Like, maybe they can kill humans like one specific group of beings. But.

Jack: Yeah, fair enough. So then the argument would be supernatural God versus Zeno.

Cristina: That's more tied, I think. Even though we don't know if Zeno could die but because that guy. That God also blinks realities out like nothing. I mean, he did it slowly, but that's because who he is.

Jack: Yes. Like, if he had to really? Because he just could. He just. Like, it's gone.

Cristina: Yeah, I'm sure he can, but he just loved to watch people scream and torture. I don't know. He's pretty messed up. God. Yeah.

Jack: Quite accurately.

Cristina: But yeah. I don't know them too.

Jack: Yeah. Because whichever one of them two wins then has to go against the Death Note.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Whichever one of those two gods wins goes against the Death Note.

Cristina: I feel like they both beat the Death Note.

Jack: Right. The question would be not, can I write your name faster than you could blink me out of existence?

Cristina: Then what is?

Jack: That's not the argument. It's if I write your name in the notebook, do you die?

Cristina: Do you die?

Jack: Like, you stand in front of me and you're like, I don't know. Let's try it. And then I do write whichever God's name in the notebook. Does that guy die? If I wrote Chuck's. Whatever complicated name.

Cristina: I think for Chuck. Yes. Only because we know he could die. Yes, we know he can die. And he's. His name is in a notebook. His name is.

Jack: He's literally gonna die. There is a literal death book.

Cristina: Yeah. There is a Death Note in the.

Jack: Show with his name in it.

Cristina: With his name in it that says when it'll happen. Interesting.

Jack: So the question also, if Zeno doesn't have death, then he beats Chuck because Chuck does die.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know. They. They do have a heaven and h***, though, in that universe, so.

Jack: So does Dragon Ball Z. Yeah.

Cristina: That's what I mean. In Dragon Ball Z. So it's possible, I think, that just because those places exist, maybe he could end up in one of those places.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting.

Cristina: But I don't know, can he? Because what could touch him? What could touch him? I mean, if he goes against himself, I guess is the only real fight. I can't imagine anything else f****** with Zeno. Yeah. If it's Zeno versus Zeno. But could they? I don't think so. It would have to be something stronger than Xeno. But he's the top.

Jack: As far as we know.

Cristina: As far as we know.

Jack: Dragon Ball Z. I won't put a cap on anything.

Cristina: Ah, you think there's something even higher?

Jack: I think if. I think eventually Goku gets all the powers of all the freaking. Whatever these creatures. He gets the God powers or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Ultra mega duper instinct. And. And Vegeta gets super duper awesome destructive powers or whatever. Yeah. And then they get super grand Xeno power of all time. And then they're like, we're the strongest. And then Zeno's like, oh, no. My people are showing like, wait, your people? Yeah. I'm like the weak one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's typical Dragon Ball Z s***. Yeah, I'm the weak one. We need your help, Goku. Something horrible is about to happen, and you're the only guy I know stronger than me.

Cristina: No way. I mean, it could be. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. We already exited the concepts of time and a different universe. Or in the multiverse at this point.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But there could be like an Ultra Verse.

Cristina: An Ultra Verse? Oh, yes.

Jack: And Zeno is one of the many.

Cristina: Yeah. No, I don't know. Only time will tell.

Jack: Like in this. At this point. At this point, nothing is God. It seems like nothing is legitimately God. Unless we have to change the definition of what God is.

Cristina: No, it's all demigods.

Jack: Yeah, because there's no. Like, the only true Gods are abstract concepts. That's the only way.

Cristina: Yeah. Then does that still count? That's not a God. Then what? The abstract.

Jack: The what? Like the global consciousness, that's everything. So it's. It's God. But that's literally to say God is within everything inherently without any deviation from anything. And it controls nothing. Except it controls everything, because everything is God. So it's intentional.

Cristina: Nothing.

Jack: Yeah, it means nothing. It's just reality equals God.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay, so, yeah, that's really.

Jack: They're interchangeable words.

Cristina: Yeah. So it doesn't matter.

Jack: Yeah, it doesn't matter.

Cristina: Wow. Huh? Does that make God a little bit lame? That he's not a thing?

Jack: No, he's still OP next to us. He's just not infinitely the way we think. From our point of view, he is. He'll always be everywhere, all the time, and exist beyond our concepts of time. But, like, he could already be dead.

Cristina: He could already be dead. I don't know.

Jack: God could have died in making the universe, and then as a result, he's never existed within our time.

Cristina: What would make him God? How would that work? I don't know.

Jack: He made. He's God because He made everything as far as we know.

Cristina: Okay. That's it. The power of making us is enough to be God. Because it doesn't really matter if he can live forever or not.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: If he has all the knowledge or not.

Jack: Yeah. I guess Creator and God would be interchangeable.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Not omniscience, but Creator.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Creator equals God.

Cristina: Yeah. So if it's a scientist in the lab, that's good enough.

Jack: Yes. A scientist in a lab is God of Whatever he made, he's creator. And so I guess an interesting angle here would be if that were the case, God or the universe can exist, not God. And the universe can exist because God uses himself to make the universe. Then the universe collapses into this one thing again. And this one thing is all that there is. And it's an ever existing, infinitely lasting, self aware thing. And then it decides imma make everything, but I must make it from me, because I'm all that there is. And then I'll die in doing so. But I will be everything. My corpse is everything. And then that's the universe. And then the universe, after long enough, collapses again. And then it's this one thing again that's fully aware of itself and it's everything and everywhere all the same time. Because it's all that there is. And so there's a cycle of there is a God but no universe. And there's a universe but no God.

Cristina: Weird. Oh my gosh. Okay, but what, what is that? God is making the universe every time. Then the universe becomes God.

Jack: The universe dies. To create a God.

Cristina: To create a God.

Jack: In death there is birth somehow. Yes, always. Inescapably.

Cristina: So when the universe dies, God is made from that?

Jack: Yeah, God is made from the collapsed universe.

Cristina: Ashes. Interesting.

Jack: Then God collapses to create the universe.

Cristina: That's interesting.

Jack: Interesting. And as long as we exist, we are made of God. God is within all of us. Literally.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because God corpses us all. The star. Well, everything is made of stardust. We are made of stardust. Well, that stardust is God's corpse.

Cristina: Okay. Oh, I guess that's a dark way to word it.

Jack: God's corpse. But it's like whatever he was. Because corpse doesn't really make sense. But whatever he was, the waves that create the universe, the four forces or.

Cristina: Five, intentionally make us. Or is it just part of his life cycle to make us in the end, after he dies? Like.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. That's an interesting question and something that would be impossible for me to answer. Yeah, but now the other angle of this would be if it was always perpetually existing, then we have the possibility. The global consciousness is much more accurate. And the global consciousness perceives everything simultaneously, is aware that it is a singular thing and the way that it is simultaneously everything else. Even if we have no awareness that we are that one thing and we all feel subjective in some higher dimensional perspective, we are all fully aware that we are the same thing.

Cristina: That's possible.

Jack: Yeah, that would mean that there's no distinction. And there is no life and there is no death. There's only perspective.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which feels like something that would happen as a product of consciousness observing nothingness.

Cristina: Yes. That's gotta be. It feels more accurate, right?

Jack: That feels more accurate.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because even God dying to create the universe and the universe collapsing to create God, where is this happening? Right. There's still something happening.

Cristina: There's something off there. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. There's something bigger, anyways.

Cristina: Mm. But if it's the global consciousness, then there doesn't need to be anything bigger.

Jack: It doesn't need to be anything bigger. Yeah. It's all of everything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There is size ceases to matter.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because you are the big and the small simultaneously with no distinction.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Sure, within the third dimension, there might be infinitely going up, but all of everything in every scale within the third dimension is just a single slit of some fourth dimension, the single slit of fifth dimension, single slit of. And so on and so forth. That's collectively the one. Same thing.

Cristina: Yeah. I think that's it.

Jack: That is everywhere. But everywhere doesn't make sense because it is the space in which everything is in at the same time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So, like, being everywhere doesn't matter if you are the space that is everywhere.

Cristina: Yeah, that sounds right.

Jack: Right. That makes way more sense.

Cristina: That's gotta be the real God. I think so.

Jack: But then the concept of God ceases to exist. Because it's not even creator. Because it created nothing. It was always there. Yeah, all of it was always there. No, but it's weird because then we're saying that in order to be God, you just have to be creator, not omniscient. Because the only omniscient thing is a global consciousness.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Everywhere. Everyone always knows everything.

Cristina: So we wouldn't call that a God.

Jack: We wouldn't call that a God because God has to.

Cristina: Because that is it. That's not. I guess. Yeah. God is not a good enough name for what it is.

Jack: Yes. Because it is not an it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because the lack of it is also what we're talking about.

Cristina: Yeah. So.

Jack: And it's like God is just another piece of this thing that feels that I'm God. But, like. Yeah, he's still.

Cristina: But that's why demigod sounds more right. Whether it sees itself as God or not.

Jack: Yes. Because if we're gonna say God and use all these descriptors of omniscient everything, then that's a global consciousness. Blah, blah, blah. That's the global consciousness.

Cristina: Yeah. If there's a God, it's not really? The God that everyone imagines, it's. Yeah, because. So I guess gods can exist, they're just not really gods.

Jack: Yes, well, they are. They're creators.

Cristina: They're creators.

Jack: There are creators. There might be creators. It's possible there are creators. Maybe this universe was created by a thinking individual, but that thinking individual in the highest plane of existence is no different than we are.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because somehow we also made this universe.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Here's a weird one. God exists because we believe in him. But God had to make the universe for us to believe in them. That's us being God.

Cristina: That's still the global consciousness.

Jack: Exactly. When you look at weird contradictions like that, weird paradoxes where. Well, the human wants to believe in something led to the existence of a God, but God made the universe with the people who believe in him. That's a closed loop.

Cristina: Yeah, but it's a perfect loop.

Jack: Perfect loop.

Cristina: That's how it should be.

Jack: If it's not a paradox, we don't get it.

Cristina: If it's not a paradox, we don't get it.

Jack: Yeah. Who was it? Einstein is the one who said it. But if you don't. I'm not sure. But if you don't understand it, if you. If you believe you understand it, you don't, because what is it? No, if you're not confused, you don't understand it well enough. There you go.

Cristina: I'm very confused.

Jack: Yeah, if you're not confused, you don't understand it well enough.

Cristina: So you're saying we do understand it. Because I feel like I still don't understand it. I do.

Jack: No, if you're very, very. I don't know.

Cristina: It's so complicated.

Jack: I don't know. Well, you don't understand it super well, no matter what. But you understand it better than somebody who believes they get it.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Like if somebody's like, well, there is definitely a God, and this is why. And then you're like, well, what about the whole other argument that contradicts that? Well, you're aware of a contradiction, that you're confused. You're like, well, yeah, I get it. But like, what about this giant hole over here? Even if we still technically exist, that hole still exists. You're aware that there's a problem.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So you're confused more than that person who isn't. Who thinks, well, no, it's clearly this. It's like, well, you're missing so many pieces of this picture, and that's why you think it's like this.

Cristina: Yep. So complicated.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So who's gonna win. Zeno or the death Supernatural God?

Jack: No, it doesn't matter. Zeno is gonna win. We know supernatural God dies. The question is, does Zeno die?

Cristina: Okay, so then Zeno versus.

Jack: Yeah. Because we know that Arceus, who also made everything, can be trapped inside of stupid Pokeball.

Cristina: Yeah, but he could probably live forever.

Jack: I don't know. And we can outman. The problem is, we can outmaneuver Zeno.

Cristina: How do you know?

Jack: Because you can escape his realm of knowledge. He's bound to time. He didn't know the other him. It wasn't him. The fact that there are two of him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There are things he does not know.

Cristina: Yes. He only knows his universe.

Jack: He knows his universe. And not all of it either. He met Goku. He didn't know Goku.

Cristina: No. Okay.

Jack: You see, he's not all knowing. He made the universe.

Cristina: Maybe he made all of them, which makes no sense. I don't understand. It's complicated. Why are there more than one? Because they're from different times. Not even different realities. Nope.

Jack: Just different times.

Cristina: So that makes it weird because he made all the realities in the first place.

Jack: He made different universes.

Cristina: Universes.

Jack: 12 universes.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, okay. 12 universes.

Jack: But the different times within these universes, he is subject to, not a creator of.

Cristina: Yeah. So then could his name be written there?

Jack: Maybe there's something outside of Xeno that exists.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which is time.

Cristina: Mm, man. Then, yeah, I think he could be written in there. Because time, he still. Yeah.

Jack: Trump Zeno.

Cristina: Yeah. So eventually he dies like everyone else.

Jack: In some way we can't fathom.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But yes, Zeno probably dies.

Cristina: Probably can die.

Jack: So then the question is, is there somebody whose name we can't write? Now, the Shinigami's names can't be written within the notebook. But the Shinigami, although the exception, aren't godly. Other than the fact that live forever, they escape time, but can still die. They escape time by adding once they run out of people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To write their names into the notebook, all the Shinigami would cease to exist. Because they need people's names to write in the notebook to live.

Cristina: Yes, that's true. Even they die.

Jack: Yes. So the people die, and then the Shinigami die.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: So whose name can we write in the notebook and won't die? That would be the gaudiest God.

Cristina: The gaddiest God.

Jack: Zeus could be killed. Hercules does it. Kratos does it. The Q's were gonna execute one another.

Cristina: Exactly. So they could be written even if they Lived outside of time. It makes no sense.

Jack: Odin is scared of trying to kill him.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So he can die.

Cristina: Yeah, he definitely fears death. That's his biggest fear. Death. Okay.

Jack: I would argue Old Jehovah was killed by New Jehovah or imprisoned. Bare minimum. Meaning there's some degree of power. He can't overcompensate. Which means anyone equal to him can trap him.

Cristina: Can the dragons in Dragon Ball Z die?

Jack: Yes. Yes, it can. That's why the dragons fear the gods of death.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I don't know if the Super Mega Duper dragon, but the question is Xeno versus the Super Mega Duper Dragon.

Cristina: I don't know. I feel like Xeno could blink it out of existence.

Jack: He could blink out the literal balls that summoned it. But could he blink out the dragon?

Cristina: Possibly. His power is ridiculous, though. He might be limited, but he's still pretty ridiculous as a creature or whatever he is. So I don't know if there's anything that can't be written. I don't know. The Darkness, the nothing. Nothing can die.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. Does nothing exist? Because the darkness is trapped, just like Chuck. But the Nothing, which we've also established is somehow the Speed Force. But the Nothing, we could probably not write its name down and get a result, because where would it go if not back to where it came from and then just come back.

Cristina: Exactly. It's nothing. Like, you can't get rid of nothing.

Jack: You can't get rid of nothing. But then the same thing would happen with the Gate, because death literally sends everything to the Gate. When you go there, you see everybody who's dead. So if you were to capture the creature from the gate outside, Kill it somehow, by whatever definition means kill. It would go back to the space in which it dwells and then come right back. In neither one of these cases did they die. You change your location so they don't die. They just stay there. They've always been and they'll always be.

Cristina: Yes. I think that that's pretty much it, though.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: The Space Force. That's what you called it. Speed Force.

Jack: The Speed.

Cristina: The Speed Force. Okay. That's the ultimate name.

Jack: Yes. So the Speed Force is the one thing that's named we can't write. Well, it's just the Force.

Cristina: The Force. Okay.

Jack: And Trump's magnificent Space Force can also not be destroyed.

Cristina: Trump's Space Force.

Jack: Yeah. You just said the Space Force.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: So Space Force and the.

Cristina: That's what they called Space Force.

Jack: Yeah, the space, like, cowboy thing. He tried to start to Protect the planet.

Cristina: That's a cool thing, though.

Jack: Yeah. To protect the planet from, like, aliens or something.

Cristina: I don't know. I want to be part of that.

Jack: I would like to be part of that. I'm not sure what the point of the Space Force is, but maybe it's to find the real God. Maybe we're looking for the nothing. We have an inkling that even if we don't get how it's an alien. It is.

Cristina: Yes. No, I don't think it is.

Jack: I think it's an alien.

Cristina: What? Nothing. Yeah, I don't think it's alien.

Jack: It might be. Who knows? I have no concept of what is.

Cristina: Yeah, but nothing is nothing. I don't know.

Jack: Nothing is nothing, so. But it's in a place which is weird. I would argue it's the highest form of godliness in that it cannot be killed and seems to have the capacity to get rid of anything else.

Cristina: But you think it's limited in some way?

Jack: I don't think it's all powerful. Like, it couldn't blink the universe out of existence, but it could kill an individual within the universe. So it could, like, off Chuck, which is one. Chuck is one, not everything.

Cristina: I mean, it eventually can get rid.

Jack: Of everything, picking at it one by one by one by one for all of infinity. But it can do it, I guess, given enough time.

Cristina: Yeah. That's all it needs. And time probably means nothing to it.

Jack: But that being said, you give Castiel enough time, and he can, in theory, destroy everything in the universe. Giving anyone enough time? They can't really, with an infinite amount of time.

Cristina: Yeah, like planets and stuff. No, there are things we can't destroy easily.

Jack: Fair. But, like, you don't need to be ubers. Like, for example, Thor can clear out a universe with infinity.

Cristina: You could destroy a planet, probably, with.

Jack: Infinity by his side. I mean, his hammer has the power of a star.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah.

Jack: You know, like, he can do whatever the f*** he wants.

Cristina: He can't get rid of himself. The Nothing has that advantage.

Jack: That's a weird one, Right? Exactly, because that's the only thing the Nothing has in his favor. He can get rid of any one thing at any given time, and then that's it.

Cristina: There's nothing left. If someone else did the same thing, they'd still be left.

Jack: Yes, but the nothing isn't there.

Cristina: Exactly. So the nothing wins.

Jack: The nothing wins. It was already not there. You could get rid of everything.

Cristina: You could get rid of everything.

Jack: Zeno would still be left. Even if he blinked, the universe Out. Chuck would still be left even if he blinked the universe out. As would be Odin, as would be Zeus, as would be Jehovah. Everybody. Everybody. Everybody except the nothing, where the only thing that would be left is nothing.

Cristina: Exactly. Nothing will be left.

Jack: Nothing would be left.

Cristina: Truly extinguish everything. He wins.

Jack: And he's not there to begin with.

Cristina: Exactly. That makes no sense.

Jack: Yeah, it's a weird thought to have, because in supernatural, they're just trying to convey that there's nothing here by showing us something there. Yeah, but, like, the idea is there's nothing.

Cristina: Yes, but they gave nothing a personality and everything. I don't know. Yeah, they made nothing of something, but.

Jack: It'S not still nothing. Yeah, a conscious nothing. Because first, consciousness has nothing, and nothing, for whatever reason, has consciousness.

Cristina: Well, that makes sense, I guess. But it's the same thing. Consciousness and nothing are the same.

Jack: Sort of. But they're not. No, because, like, nothingness isn't inherently conscious, but it contains consciousness within it or around it or. Yes, some consciousness.

Cristina: But that's with everything. Everything has consciousness.

Jack: No, because everything is consciousness. Not everything has consciousness.

Cristina: Everything is.

Jack: There's only things. Because consciousness.

Cristina: Okay. And nothing is the same.

Jack: Well, nothing doesn't have consciousness. No, Nothing is nothing. Despite consciousness. That's the only thing that exists. Man, this conversation is so astoundingly abstract. I'm sure we've alienated the entire listener base by talking about the most abstract concept, which is to break apart anything and everything and leave the literal lack of all. And consciousness is bare bones. Yes, but, like, we're talking gods. This is the limit. Yes, because God, the idea of a God, is demi by default.

Cristina: There's the only things left is consciousness and nothing.

Jack: Yeah, and consciousness has no space in which to act. It observes action, and nothingness has nothing to act within it. But somehow the product of observing the lack of equals something. Nothing could be more abstract than this.

Cristina: Conversation, but I think that's as far as we can go with it. I don't.

Jack: Yeah, it's the limit of metaphysics. We're not even trying to answer stupid questions like, what is consciousness? Like, I don't f****** know, bro. It's observation. Yeah, I don't know how to answer that question, but I can tell you that the limit of all that there is. Maybe not factually, but, like, as far as even the humans listening. And if you are listening and you feel like you have a better answer.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Let us know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If you feel you have something more abstract to offer.

Cristina: I doubt that. But if you do.

Jack: Enlighten us. Because right now we believe that before something existed, there was a potential consciousness within the nothing that is everywhere or whatever. Or every nothing. It's hard because there is no language to describe the lack of something.

Cristina: Nothing is nothing. Nowhere.

Jack: Yeah. Nothing is everywhere and nowhere. Because it doesn't that there needs to be a word. The problem is language would break down because if you had a word, then it's something by default.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It needs to transcend everything. Because it's nothing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It needs to transcend literally everything. And then consciousness needs to be included. And then the universe happens. Or reality is a product. Reality looks like is subject to whatever rules are governing said reality, which is observed by consciousness looking at nothing. I don't know what else to say.

Cristina: Yeah. So look, if you make sense.

Jack: I hope so. Point is that if we write Zeno's name into Death Note, he probably dies.

Cristina: Yeah. That's the conclusion here.

Jack: It seems like the only name we can't successfully write and get good results from nothing are nothing from Supernatural and the God from Full Metal. Because that's also essentially the nothing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It exists in a weird space of nothing.

Cristina: You can't write down nothing.

Jack: Like you can, but nothing would happen.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Because there's just nothing there for something to happen to.

Cristina: Exactly. That's the conclusion.

Jack: That's the conclusion that if you write the name of nothing, well, nothing would happen.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that makes perfect sense, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If you write nothing, then nothing.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: This is an educational episode.

Cristina: Yes. You learned a lot.

Jack: We learned a lot. If you write nothing, nothing happens. That's. Man. If you write nothing, nothing happens. And I can't. Look, if you guys truly do believe there's more, please tell us. We need to know. I would like to know definitely what more abstract concept there is.

Cristina: If you know more about nothing.

Jack: Yeah. If you have a way of thinking of nothing that we have not discussed, please share.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because this is not like an easy subject.

Cristina: No, I mean, it's about, like, how do you even.

Jack: I don't know, dude. It's weird.

Cristina: Yes. So, yeah, let us know.

Jack: Let us know about nothing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that's fantastic and all, but, like, I don't know because. Because there's nothing to know.

Cristina: There's nothing to know.

Jack: So, like, if they had an answer, it would have to include the fact that there's nothing to share. That's. I don't know. Just comment, reply, tweet at us, or f******, like, find us on, preferably Instagram, email us. I don't Care.

Cristina: Text us.

Jack: Yeah, text us. Let us know. Send us. Send me a letter.

Cristina: Call us. So we can ignore it.

Jack: Yeah, probably a scam call, but I'll answer and try to find out what nothing means.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In fact, next time I get a scam call, I'm gonna do that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I'll be like, what? What does nothing mean?

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: Yeah, I'm gonna just ask, what does nothing mean? And they're gonna tell me, don't know. Well, no, they know everything except what f****** car. The warranty they're asking for seems to be expired on. And if you ask them, like, then how do you know? Then they hang up on you. Your car is expired warranty. You got to send this money or whatever. Which car? Your newest car. Wait, I bought two cars at the same time. Which one? What are the two makes of your car? Well, hold on. You said the warranty was expiring. How do you know?

Cristina: Yeah, they're just really guessing.

Jack: Yeah, they're not guessing. There's no f****** warranty expiring.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: You might not even have a car. No, they're just calling a number saying the warranty's expire.

Cristina: Yeah, they call me for that. What car? I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, which one of my cars?

Cristina: Man, that's crazy.

Jack: Anyway, so let us know, man. Let us know.

Cristina: Let us know about nothing.

Jack: Yeah, let us know about nothing. And if you like conversations like this. Well, last episode, we had the same thing. And I think, like, two or three episodes before that, we also discussed. That's where we came to the conclusion of what the Speed Force was. The Force, ultimately, the energy that exists within everything. And then. So this episode, we tried to compare all the gods. The previous episode, we established which God is. What? I don't remember.

Cristina: I don't.

Jack: I know. We talked about gods, too, to some degree. And then several episodes back, established the Speed Force as. Oh, no, last episode was the Fifth Force.

Cristina: The Fifth Force. Okay.

Jack: The Fifth Natural Force.

Cristina: Which looks like magic.

Jack: Which looks like magic. Man, that's the weirdest thing, right? Because the Nothing and the Speed Force could die. That's the problem. The Force could die. You could use the Force.

Cristina: So nothing isn't the Force.

Jack: Nothing isn't.

Cristina: You've been calling, even saying it, we thought it was. It's not. Okay? The whole episode is wrong.

Jack: But, yeah. Yeah, this episode proved last episode wrong.

Cristina: Yeah, but we just found out.

Jack: We just found out. D***. That's crazy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Anyways, you can find this and many more episodes of this kind on the official Website great thoughts.info or anywhere you get your podcast, like Apple Podcasts and Spotify and wherever.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok at justconvopod.

Jack: Yes. And also remember to subscribe and rate and review the show. Reviews are great and they help and rates are great and they help and subscriptions are great and you get more episodes and you can hear us talk such abstract thoughts that you get lost.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And additionally, go listen to me talk to people on the stereo app where I have conversations with people.

Cristina: Yes. And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Like I said before, you walk up and you scream and they'll know. They'll know that what you meant is. The Just Conversation podcast, the episodes about gods and about the fifth natural force and about what the force is and about the nothing.

Cristina: Yep. This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: Oh, yes. Yes. Baby cells. Yeah, skin cells.

Cristina: That doesn't make it alive.

Jack: Yes, it's cells.

Cristina: It's leftover though.

Jack: It doesn't matter because it's alive. All of it is alive.

Cristina: It doesn't say that it's alive.

Jack: Cellular lining is living.

Cristina: It's not living while it's on the poop. It's just dead cellular lining.

Jack: No.

Cristina: No one said living cellular lining. Did they say living?

Jack: It said living. It said living on many accounts. Living bacteria.

Cristina: No, but it doesn't say living cellular lining. It just says cellular lining.

Jack: Cellular lining. Living. I don't think Google that.

Cristina: Because our dead bodies have cellular lining.

Jack: Google it.

Cristina: And our dead bodies are dead.

Jack: Google it. But that didn't come out of a dead body.

Cristina: It did come from dead body. It did come from a dead body.

Jack: The poop.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: No, the poop is what's dying. We're talking about a poop by itself that's gonna die when death embraces it.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

July 10, 2021

Rambling 135: Questions About Christianity

July 10, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

Why does God allow pain and suffering? Can an all knowing God not see a rebellion bubbling beneath him or his creation committing the first sin or did he intend for these things to happen? The duo answers questions about Christianity in their attempt to convert the listener!

+Episode Details

Questions Asked:

Is astrology a sin?
What does heaven look like?
What makes Christianity different from other religions?
Who wrote the bible?
What happens if you die without knowing about Christ?
Do people get second chances?
Why are there multiple religions?
Why does God allow death and suffering of the innocent?
Why didn’t God anticipate the rebellion?
Whats with the no sex before marriage thing?
Why are old testament and new testament God different?
Why does Christianity condemn novelty?
What does it mean to surrender to God?

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean? Welcome to Just Conversation, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

Cristina: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Jack: Yes. And also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner. So be sure to find somebody that needs to listen to this show with you or wants to listen to this show with you or should listen to this show with you, or none of the above, and you make them listen to the show with you. Because you just wanted somebody to listen.

Cristina: To the show with you decided that they have to listen to the show.

Jack: Yeah. You just decided that's how this is gonna play out.

Cristina: Why all the time?

Jack: I don't know. It's important.

Cristina: It's important.

Jack: Especially today's episode. Especially today's episode where we are going to turn listeners into believers.

Cristina: Believers. Beavers. What is it called when you believe in beaver?

Jack: In beaver.

Cristina: When you believe in beaver?

Jack: I don't know. Believers, I guess it would be.

Cristina: Yes. We're going to convert you to bebeavers.

Jack: Are you? Beaver. A book. Beaver.

Cristina: Beaver, man.

Jack: There's a name for it, and it's not Believer, but it's close.

Cristina: I don't know what it is, but I feel like it's so similar to believer.

Jack: Yeah, it's, It's. It's in that ballpark.

Cristina: Yes, but we're not converting you into that. Never mind. Yeah, this is about the Sky Daddy.

Jack: Sky Daddy. Christianity. Yeah.

Cristina: Yes. We have got questions from our listeners.

Jack: Yes. On Instagram. So our lovely social media manager posts questions that we tell her to or somebody tells her to. I don't tell her to somebody. Somebody comes up with ideas for this show and then the rest of us just kind of follow along. Anyways, questions get put on the socials, specifically Instagram, and then people go ahead and send in questions and then we go ahead and we answer them on the episode with our expertise on everything. And in this case, our expertise are tremendous degrees on theology that we got with 12 years in college, university, wherever you get these degrees, that's where we went for sure. No question, no lies.

Cristina: Christianity or college for religion.

Jack: Christian college.

Cristina: Christian college, yes.

Jack: So we went to Christian college where we learned how to be good Christians and we know everything there is to know about Christianity and we're going to have questions about Christianity that we Are going to answer today for our listeners to convert.

Cristina: Yes, we're going to help people convert.

Jack: Yeah, it's going to be great. And I hope you guys learn a bunch from these things. You're going to leave better woker, more faithful people.

Cristina: Spiritual. Does that come with faith? I don't know Spiritualism?

Jack: Not necessarily.

Cristina: Oh, okay. All right. The first question is, is astrology a sin? Will I burn in h*** for reading horoscopes?

Jack: The answer to this question is quite simple. Yes.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You're going to burn in h*** for sure. Yeah. Because astrology is magic, essentially.

Cristina: And God said no magic.

Jack: God said no magic? Yeah. Unless I give you magic. I'm the only one who could break the rules. Only me.

Cristina: Huh? That's so complicated. But it is all about trusting. Like the person. Was it Moses?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: He talks to God. Did he do magic tricks?

Jack: Yeah, he had many magic tricks.

Cristina: Like, how did they know to believe him that he got the magic from Jesus?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: I'm not Jesus from God. And like, how do you know? How do you know Jesus got his magic from him?

Jack: Because you didn't see God talk to Moses?

Cristina: No. He went far away by himself in the middle of nowhere to talk to.

Jack: God and then came back and he's like, I talked to him.

Cristina: Yes. So.

Jack: So I don't know. And then he did magic. He could have been talking to the devil for all we know.

Cristina: Yeah, like, how do we know? Who are they talking to?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: How do they know? I mean, it's about faith, though. Do you go to h*** if you're talking to the devil, but you think you're talking to God?

Jack: Interesting, right? Like, how do you know?

Cristina: How do you know?

Jack: How do you know who you're talking to? How would you distinguish between God and the devil?

Cristina: You're just gonna have instincts to know, though.

Jack: Well, yeah, kind of. The Bible does suggest that you would just inherently know, but it also suggests that the devil's deceptive. So, like, it's contradicting itself.

Cristina: Okay. Whaat.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: It's really complicated. The next question is, what does heaven look like?

Jack: Heaven looks boring. It's just clouds. Like, if you were to grow a beanstalk and climb up the beanstalk and get to the sky.

Cristina: Who said that it was clouds?

Jack: I don't know. Who said it's a different dimension.

Cristina: It's a different dimension. There's houses up there.

Jack: It's not even a different dimension. It's just like. I mean, it would be in the clouds, then it has to be in our physical space. At least it's an island.

Cristina: An island up there?

Jack: No, not an island up there. Just an island. Then again, it could be a floating island. Maybe heaven is a floating island. And the Earth, it's on a different planet. Maybe we've never gone to space because there's no such thing and we really did fake it like NASA's figure.

Cristina: What if it's on a planet, though?

Jack: I guess it could be, because where's.

Cristina: Jesus building these mansions? We don't see him building mansions on top of us.

Jack: But then you're just telling me the Scientology is correct.

Cristina: What if Scientology is correct?

Jack: Yeah, because it's like we're going to be teleported to another planet. That's heaven.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, my gosh. They. They're the next step. They are the next step.

Jack: They are the next step. It's religion regarding aliens.

Cristina: Yeah, but do they have Jesus? I don't know.

Jack: They probably got alien Jesus.

Cristina: Okay. Someone asked what makes Christianity different from other religions?

Jack: Zero things. Except that it's newer, I guess.

Cristina: It's newer.

Jack: It's pretty new.

Cristina: The God is a little different.

Jack: Yes. God went through weird, like, phases of life. He had midlife crisis and changed and changed his ways and stuff. He's also, like, a particularly weak God compared to, like, other gods that could just are omniscient. Jehovah is strange because he feels emotions, which means there's moments that he's not feeling those emotions, so he's incomplete as f***. And there are things, for example, the devil, that he doesn't like, but. But he doesn't just snap out of existence, but he wants to send that guy to h*** and condemn him and punish him, but he doesn't just get rid of him, which means he probably doesn't have the power to do it or doesn't know how.

Cristina: He does know how. I don't know.

Jack: There's something going on that's making him a demigod, not an omniscient God. Mainly those two things. The fact that, like, either he's not strong enough or he doesn't know how, but also the fact that he feels emotions means there are states and moments in which he does. Does not.

Cristina: But the other gods from other religions, they feel emotions.

Jack: They're all demigods.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Every single one of them.

Jack: Every single one. Only chaos is real. Like, really omniscient. Dr. Manhattan feels nothing for anybody. That's a God.

Cristina: He's a true God.

Jack: He's a true God. He's everywhere. All at once, giving no f****. That's God. If you can feel emotion, you're not everything. Because if you were everything, you'd also be the negative emotions and the positive emotions simultaneously. There would be no distinction.

Cristina: Like, also with bad and good, there's no distinction.

Jack: There's no distinction. That's a concept that doesn't make sense to something. That is everything.

Cristina: Yeah. And that's what it takes to be a God.

Jack: Yes. To be a full omniscient God.

Cristina: Yeah. It's weird because, like, the Bible didn't say that, did it? I feel like that's what people interpret God to be.

Jack: Omniscient.

Cristina: Omniscient and things like that. But I don't feel like the Bible actually said he was.

Jack: I don't actually remember. It might.

Cristina: I think that's how people read the Bible as.

Jack: No, I think it says it.

Cristina: I think he just says, you gotta worship me. That's like.

Jack: No, I think the Bible literally says God is everywhere, all the time. That God is within everything and that God is all powerful.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I'm pretty sure that's literally in the Bible.

Cristina: That's people in the book saying that. Or is that God saying that?

Jack: It's people describing God.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Because would he describe himself like that?

Jack: He just says, I'm your God.

Cristina: Yeah, that's why. Like, he's not giving us much, but still. The next question is, who wrote the Bible, when and with what sources?

Jack: Many people throughout long periods of time, they used the previous versions of the Bible as reference points because they all had access to it. They just continued stories they've already read and added to them. So it was a community project to create the book.

Cristina: A bunch of people when?

Jack: Very long ago. Roughly. At least a current version of the Bible. The books that are in there, at least roughly 5,000 years ago, with things.

Cristina: Being a little older 5,000 years ago.

Jack: Actually, no, it could have been 2,000 years ago.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Because I was gonna say the people who believe in the Bible think the world's been around like 3,000 years or something.

Jack: No, 5,000 years. That's why I said 5,000. But that's incorrect. They would think that the Bible is about 2,000 years old.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, the Bible. And it was written by a crap ton of people over time. So it kind of discredits them a little considering they all shared the previous texts and sort of continued adding further in.

Cristina: Yes, the fan fiction, the super fan fiction.

Jack: Yes, it was created by a bunch of people.

Cristina: The next question is, what besides the Bible provides proof of God.

Jack: Nothing.

Cristina: Nothing.

Jack: Well, that's not fair. String theory.

Cristina: String theory.

Jack: String theory suggests that if there were a God, he would be in the seventh dimension, and that would be a being that consists of all things at all times in all places, and can influence everything all simultaneously. So that would, by definition, be God.

Cristina: And there's a God above God, then.

Jack: Yes. There are several dimensions higher up that would encompass the concept of God. But in this idea, in this. In string theory, you and God are no different. You're the same thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's just. You're a slice of God. It's a slice of a slice of a slice of a slice of a slice. And thus you're just a person.

Cristina: Yeah. And we're also just slices.

Jack: Yes, everybody is.

Cristina: Well, are we like Gods to the first dimension or we're some version of that?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: We're some crazy advanced other thing.

Cristina: Yes. And the next question is, if we all read the same Bible, then why are there so many different denominations of the church? Shouldn't we all believe the same thing since we read the same scripture?

Jack: We don't read the same scripture.

Cristina: We don't. Because it's a bunch of different versions of. I mean, I think it's like different orders of the same thing. Is that what's happening?

Jack: No, it's not different orders. It's. Out of all the books that were written by apostles and people allegedly surrounding Jesus and the people who were communicating with Jehovah and whatever, not all of them make it into every iteration. The King James Version is missing many, many books. The Catholic iteration misses the most books they exclude whatever the h*** they want. And the Catholic edition is the only one that added books that were written by random other people who weren't really. Yes. Who weren't associated with anything.

Cristina: Whoa. Is there any church that has all the books? Is that even possible?

Jack: No, no, no. There's literally a bunch of books that would have been in the Bible, taken, removed, and the original scrolls are in the Vatican, kept secret.

Cristina: Oh, why did they get secret books?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: I wonder if they read it. That's where they get their magic powers from.

Jack: Maybe. There's definitely a reason to hide it.

Cristina: But there's probably books that were part of the Bible at some point that they took out, and now we no longer have it. But there's probably, like a single copy out there that we can get it, that version of it or whatever, probably in the Vatican. Okay, the next question is, what happens to the tribal people who die Never knowing anything about Christ.

Jack: That's a huge problem. Because it's the same question about like a baby dies.

Cristina: Yes. If a baby dies, do they, do.

Jack: They go to heaven or h***? Like somebody who doesn't know about God.

Cristina: It's not their fault that they don't know.

Jack: And there's nothing they could have done to improve the situation with the knowledge of God. Because they don't have the knowledge of God.

Cristina: Yes. So. So then what happens to them? They go to h***?

Jack: Well, in theory. But would God punish somebody who's ignorant?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: I don't know. He's that type of God.

Jack: Well, early Bible God is.

Cristina: Oh yes. That specific God is the one that's gonna go around killing anyone because he likes to. Unless you think he's gone because of this new God. Like they're not both existing at once.

Jack: Know, maybe there were two gods, maybe there was one God who changed. I don't know.

Cristina: So you think they're going to heaven or. I guess they're not going to heaven, but they're not going to h*** is the point.

Jack: I don't know if God. It's possible that God would punish random people, but like we don't have any reason to think he would or reason to think he would. The problem with this question is it doesn't give us further context, it doesn't give us further information. Like based on what would we think other than the fact that these people are ignorant?

Cristina: Yeah, I don't know. But I do know he made people to punish them. Not that these are those people, but he made random people so that they would go to h***.

Jack: Yes. If you are a Jehovah's Witness. Oh, you're a Jehovah's Witness. Everybody but the 23,000 people who've been pre selected before the existence of any human go to h***.

Cristina: Okay. Because there is a story that he does say he had. He does admit that he made someone just so that they'd go to h***.

Jack: Really? I don't remember that.

Cristina: Some evil king or something, he made him to just go to h***, but just for fun, I guess. Anyway, the next question. Do people get second chances if they mess up?

Jack: And direly depends on which religion. Wait, if they mess up and die early. You can't die early.

Cristina: Can't die early. I don't know how that makes sense, but that's what this person said. I don't know what they mean by die early.

Jack: Die ahead of some. I don't know. You can't defy destiny.

Cristina: Yeah. If you're gonna die. You're gonna die if you're supposed to die.

Jack: Yeah. If there's a God and his plan is immaculate, you're gonna die when his plan suggests you're gonna die.

Cristina: Even if you see like a baby dying, you're like, oh, it died too early for God. It's like, this is the right time.

Jack: Yeah. This was part of the schedule.

Cristina: Yeah. It's a harsh schedule, but yeah.

Jack: Yeah. So it's impossible to die ahead of time. But if you did somehow die ahead of time, you would just, I don't know. Dead.

Cristina: Yeah, you'd be dead. And you go wherever you're supposed to go.

Jack: Unless it depends on the religion. You could, in theory, go to purgatory.

Cristina: Purgatory, where you can make up the.

Jack: Difference and see if you deserve better.

Cristina: Yes. And there is a question about is H*** immediate or is there a purgatory?

Jack: Well, the Bible strictly suggests that h***, whether or not there's a purgatory, isn't immediate. You would go to rest until everybody dies. When the rapture happens, then you come back from the dead.

Cristina: You're asleep. Right. This isn't like you're in your body.

Jack: Until, okay, you to you. A second goes by, okay. And you are dead in that period of time. Then the rapture happens, Then you get brought back and you get given a second chance. Then.

Cristina: Okay. And then who knows?

Jack: Well, then Earth becomes h*** to anybody.

Cristina: On the second rupture, Earth becomes h***. That's gonna be awesome. So h*** isn't a location right now or. It is a location.

Jack: No, it's not.

Cristina: It's not a location. Oh. And then we'll become a location. Okay, that's cool. But the next question, if God does exist, why are there other religions around the world?

Jack: Because people need something that reflects their culture to identify with.

Cristina: So there's multiple gods.

Jack: Yeah. And they're more or less the same thing. They have all the same basic principles across the board.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Every religion ever made. So it's arguable that it's just cultural differences. Really.

Cristina: Yeah. Cultural differences is. Yeah. But in the end of the day, same God.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: The next question is, if God exists and Christianity only started a few thousand years ago, how do we know that he created us since the planet and humans in general are much older?

Jack: Alright, Christianity isn't even that old. If there is a God, Christianity has nothing to do with that God other than the fact that Christianity is just another version of talking about that same God who is probably here before humans and then made humans and Then that just means every religion ever is based on that same one God being talked about differently. Yes, that's pretty much it.

Cristina: Yeah. God existed, then we existed, then we learned to write, and then we wrote.

Jack: And then we wrote about God.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So maybe there's a single God and there are many, many cultures that wrote about that God in different ways.

Cristina: Yes, that's it. That's it. That's explaining all religion.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: The next question is, why does God allow death and suffering among innocent people? Because he likes it.

Jack: Yeah, cuz he likes it old school. God loved murder. He loved people making sacrifices to him. He loved shooting fire from the sky and scorching people alive. He loved drowning everybody simultaneously, just watching them gargle their last breaths as water enters their lungs and they suffer gradually spending the time in the water, slowly dying. Animals too, just in general. He was like, oh yeah, this is my jam.

Cristina: Even though he was less murdery in the second version, he was still a bit murdery.

Jack: God is all about that murder.

Cristina: Yeah, he enjoys it. It's fun.

Jack: Yeah. God definitely likes taking lives.

Cristina: I mean, maybe by now he's bored. I don't think so, though. It's still happening, so he loves it.

Jack: I mean, I don't think he's doing the current ones, but then again, the argument is, was he even doing the old school ones? Was that just us covering by saying God did it?

Cristina: Oh, that could be it, I guess. Yes, God did it. He killed all those people. I don't know, I was gonna say in the school, but that's horrible. No.

Jack: In what school? In those Christian schools, God killed all the Asian. Asian? All the middle. Not even Middle Eastern. All the natives, the natives, all the Native Americans.

Cristina: He did that. That is so crazy.

Jack: God doesn't like Native Americans.

Cristina: Oh, that's so horrible. That is so horrible. Okay, the next question is the rebellion against God is just dumb. God, who is all knowing, should have known that a rebellion was about to happen. Why didn't he just go to Lucifer and talk to him about it?

Jack: Because God is not all knowing.

Cristina: Or he knew and he wants to fight. He likes fighting. That's the thing.

Jack: He didn't know.

Cristina: He didn't know.

Jack: There's no way he would have known. It's not that he likes fighting because again, these angels believe they can take him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: God is not about to just enter a fight. He's gonna lose and then lose control of the universe.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the fact that the angels think they could take him means they might be able to take him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which is another argument on top of the fact that he didn't know a rebellion would form.

Cristina: And this rebellion hasn't happened yet, though.

Jack: No.

Cristina: So it's gonna happen. And they're preparing. Like, what does he have to prepare prepare for? But he is preparing, I'm assuming, who got it. Yeah, I guess he's training his. The angels he's got left, I guess, for this war. The next question. What's with the whole no sex before marriage? Why would God care about you having sex before some meaningless binding contract?

Jack: That's a really weird one. Because it's, like, further proof that he's a demigod, not an omniscient God. Because what the h*** would it matter to an omniscient God when you do anything?

Cristina: Yes. Like, what does it mean to him? What does marriage mean to him?

Jack: This is actually a really good argument for the Bible being written by men and not inspired by any holy being of any nature, but rather just by some guy who was like, well, if I make a law, then I can have my way.

Cristina: Why would some man want this, though?

Jack: Because you own the woman at that point. That was also part of marriage.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. It's like, you know, people want to f***, and you also want to f***, so you put it into law. The only way you can f*** is if you are my property.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then you'll want to become the property of somebody. Because you're h****.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And you want to f*** without going to h***.

Cristina: Scaring people with h***. To not have sex.

Jack: Not to not have sex. To allow you to choose when you have sex forever.

Cristina: Ah. Well, yeah.

Jack: It's written by Mel.

Cristina: Because I don't think God would care. I don't. But who knows? Maybe God would then care.

Jack: It's just people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's just the people who wrote the Bible who give too strong of a f*** and want to control women in general. It's a very misogynistic book.

Cristina: Mm. Wow. The next question is, if God is represented as a loving being, why does he let things like pandemics, natural disasters, illnesses, and financial crises happen? Crises?

Jack: Because he doesn't care.

Cristina: He doesn't care. What are you talking about?

Jack: Like, a real God wouldn't give a s***.

Cristina: A real God wouldn't. But would he?

Jack: I don't know. If he's a demigod. I don't know. He still wouldn't give a s***. Like, what would he even be able to do? He couldn't stop.

Cristina: I guess he could care. He just wouldn't be able to do anything about it.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: He can't do anything as the demigod that we know. And if he was a real God, then he wouldn't care.

Jack: Yeah. He's either not strong enough to stop the will of a real omniscient God, or he doesn't care.

Cristina: Or he doesn't care. He definitely either one of those options. Yes. The next question is, how do you explain the extreme difference in behavior and temperaments of God in the Old Testament with that of the new one?

Jack: Bipolar disorder.

Cristina: Bipolar.

Jack: Or there's two gods that came to creation at the same time. Maybe they have a daddy God.

Cristina: They have a daddy God, and these.

Jack: Two different gods are themselves different temperaments, and they each have had the earth and its people for different periods of time.

Cristina: Yes. Or the new one was written so much later from the old one. So the style of writing would be so different, you know, Definitely a possibility. Possibility. But nah. He just changed his ways.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: There's no way. But that makes sense. Right?

Jack: It could definitely be the case because one, the writing styles were very different, and two, the. Not just the writing styles, but the information itself passed down could have been so warped by now that they're like. Well, I think this is more like what God would do.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Change over time.

Jack: Like stories do.

Cristina: Like stories do. Yep.

Jack: Like Jehovah goes through the hero's journey, where he goes from this douchey guy and improves over time as he experiences certain things. Like the death of his own son.

Cristina: Oh, that changed him.

Jack: That changes. Changes him for the better.

Cristina: Yeah. But also, making that son changed him a lot too, I guess.

Jack: Yeah. Having a son and then, watching his son die.

Cristina: Mm. Your son being part of him. So he must have felt some of that. I don't know how that.

Jack: I don't think literally his son is part of him. I think there's no difference between his son being part of him as your parents being part of you.

Cristina: Oh, okay. That could be it. Yes. The next question is, why does Christianity seem to view the pursuit of novelty as evil?

Jack: Because then people think for their own. If they get additional new information, then the church can't manipulate you, which is sort of their whole point.

Cristina: Yes. You're here because you want to be manipulated.

Jack: Yeah, pretty much.

Cristina: If that's what you're here for.

Jack: The church's whole purpose is to brainwash and control people.

Cristina: Yes. And there are people who are looking for that. They need that in their lives.

Jack: Yeah. Which is fine.

Cristina: Yeah. There's nothing wrong with that if you at least know I guess it's a little better.

Jack: Is it?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: They don't want you to know.

Cristina: They don't want you to know. Yeah, that's true. But if you did want that. I don't know.

Jack: Then you'd look for it and find it.

Cristina: Yeah. And find it through Christianity. Yeah.

Jack: It's not like there's a tremendous effort to hide anything.

Cristina: Yeah. The next question is, what does it mean to surrender to God?

Jack: I have no idea. I think it's like committing to be a slave.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like you're opting into giving him everything at all times and obeying all his orders, always without question, without a doubt.

Cristina: It's becoming a slave, becoming a slave.

Jack: It's opting into slavery.

Cristina: Yeah. For him. So you can go to heaven. I think that's the goal. Yep. Is that the only goal? What is that? That's such a lame life. I don't know. I mean, you don't want to go to h***. I guess the next question is, how do you know if you're saved or are being saved? I haven't really been able to tell, but ever since coming closer to God, I've been more caring and loving towards people, but I still don't know if I'm being saved or that Jesus is with me.

Jack: You cannot know if you're being saved. You have to assume that you're doing everything right and continue trying to do everything right.

Cristina: You're supposed to be saved right now?

Jack: No. Oh, not really. You do things so that in the.

Cristina: Future you're supposed to be saved. So that's the after death thing then?

Jack: I guess. Or that is what death is, the saving part.

Cristina: Oh. Oh. If you're chosen, you're one of the chosen for heaven. You're saved.

Jack: Yeah, I guess.

Cristina: I think so. The next question is, do Christians believe animals have souls?

Jack: They do not.

Cristina: They don't?

Jack: No. Because humans are special. We didn't evolve from each other in Christianity.

Cristina: Do we?

Jack: Souls are just a human thing.

Cristina: That's a human thing. And God gave us those souls.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay. Do they mention that at all? Is soul even a word in the Bible?

Jack: I think so, yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Because I know the Holy Spirit thing, but I don't know really about.

Jack: Yeah, the soul is mentioned in the Bible.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Because when he made Adam and Eve, it doesn't sound like he mentions. And then I put the soul in them or something.

Jack: Yeah. That's interesting.

Cristina: Unless they didn't have souls, but I.

Jack: Don'T know, maybe they were. Rough draft.

Cristina: Without a soul until they sinned. Then they were given souls.

Jack: Maybe that's the whole thing. Maybe soul is like sin.

Cristina: Well, then that means Lucifer gave us souls.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What the next question is. There are hundreds of religions worldwide, and Christianity alone has plenty of sub religions. They all seem to think that they're the right one and judge others for not being like them. Every religion has its own amount of proof. How can we say who is right?

Jack: We can't. That's why there are so many. If we could say who was right, nobody would be following any other religion. We'd just be following the fact that one of them is right.

Cristina: Also, stop judging others. That's a huge thing. I don't know why in Christianity, it's such a big deal to judge. Why they judge everyone because Christians sin.

Jack: More than any other group of people who believe in a God.

Cristina: Judging is a sin. Christians stop doing it.

Jack: It's funny, because it's not a sin in every religion, but it's like one of the big ones in Christianity.

Cristina: It's a big one. Yes. Jesus hates judgment. He said that's his job.

Jack: Not even.

Cristina: That's his father's job or his father's job. Okay. It's his father's job.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I think one other person gets the judge, but I don't remember who it was.

Jack: St. Patrick.

Cristina: Oh, was St. Patrick.

Jack: I think it was St. Patrick.

Cristina: He did ask for something. Okay, well, just. Just those people's jobs to judge.

Jack: Yeah. St. Patrick gets to decide who goes to h*** and who doesn't.

Cristina: Yeah. He asked for it and he got it actually, just for Ireland. He's not judging us.

Jack: Yeah. He's not judging anybody else.

Cristina: Yeah. So there's that. But stop judging. The next question is the church has changed so much throughout history, and it's almost completely different from how it started. They've been wrong and admitted it multiple times. How do we know if something the church is opposed to today won't be welcomed in the next decade? We won't.

Jack: We won't. It's always gonna adapt because science is always gonna make advancements, and the church is always gonna grapple only onto the things that science hasn't proven.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it will always be wrong, but it'll be wrong only about what we've proven factually.

Cristina: And it will change.

Jack: Yeah. It'll keep changing and adapting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The Bible, religion has been quite different from 2,000 years ago. There was way more things that were right. It's just as time goes by and we make advancements and we learn and we Understand more.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That the church has to come out and be like, well, we can't f****** argue at this point anymore.

Cristina: Yeah, just take the Bible as a. Stories of things to learn from, but not really.

Jack: Like it's a book of morality.

Cristina: Yeah. It's not really telling you what's right and wrong with our lives.

Jack: Yeah, it's not telling you what's right.

Cristina: Or wrong or what's real or what's real for sure.

Jack: That's the argument here. You can't be right or wrong about like philosophy. It's when they're like, this is what the world. No, you could be right or wrong about science.

Cristina: Oh, yes, you can.

Jack: Exactly.

Cristina: What you can. Yes, yes.

Jack: Quite specifically what you could be right or wrong about.

Cristina: I feel like you can't be like, with what reality is. Like if reality says, yes, this is right. You can't be saying yes or no to something that science in that type of way. The next question is, how do we know Christianity is true and the Christian God is the one true God without reference to the Bible?

Jack: I feel like this is the same question over and over. These people are asking the same s***. It's basically, there's no way to know. There's no way to know anything. Faith is the point.

Cristina: Well, people need more than faith, I guess.

Jack: Then you shouldn't be religious because it's failing you if faith isn't enough. Because faith is the only thing.

Cristina: It is the only thing. Yeah, it's.

Jack: If there was an answer, you wouldn't need science. God is real and he could just tell you.

Cristina: Yeah, it's not even about doing right or wrong. It's not about any of it. It's only about faith, really.

Jack: Only about faith. Just have faith that what he says is correct and that what's in the book is what he said.

Cristina: And that's it.

Jack: That's it. You don't need anything else. How do we know? You don't.

Cristina: You don't.

Jack: You don't.

Cristina: You're not supposed to.

Jack: You're not supposed to. It's not meant for you to know. It's for you to have faith. Because if you did know, then there'd be no f****** point. Of course you have the answer.

Cristina: Yes, there you go. The next question is, God could create worlds that achieve his aims of glory better than this one. Why did he create this specific one when it mainly provides him suffering and is very insufficient to his go due to sin?

Jack: Right. As compared to what?

Cristina: I don't know, other planets?

Jack: I don't know what is this person comparing to. What other planet have they seen?

Cristina: The one that they've imagined? I don't know. We might be doing the best. Who knows?

Jack: Yeah, we might be doing the best. Maybe God sucks at making planets with life.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we're like, the crowning achievement.

Cristina: Yeah, maybe.

Jack: Humans are really hard and we're, like, the best at it so far.

Cristina: Mm. I mean, we've lived the longest as far as we can tell.

Jack: Yeah. Either we live the longest or we're the only s*** as far as we can tell.

Cristina: Yeah. So there you go.

Jack: So either there's no reference point or we're doing the best.

Cristina: We're doing the best for sure. Maybe. Or. I don't know. There's a world of cat people who are doing it better, but they got magic, so they're very sinful, so it doesn't even matter.

Jack: Why do they have us? Which was the original question.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, because we are the best in that one.

Jack: Not if they have cat people with magical powers and crap.

Cristina: But the magic is make. They're even more sinful than us because they're using magic.

Jack: Well, no. At that point, God allowed it, if this is casual, to have magic.

Cristina: Oh, okay. In their world. Okay, the next question is, I know God wants me to live in his name, but what does that mean exactly? Do I need to give up things like video games or violent music in order to rightly live in his name?

Jack: I don't know. I guess it's different for everybody.

Cristina: It's different for. It's whatever you think God needs you to do.

Jack: Yeah. Not what a preacher tells you.

Cristina: Not what a pre. Yeah, he doesn't know.

Jack: Priest. They don't know what he knows. Nobody knows.

Cristina: They're not even following the rules that they tell you to follow.

Jack: Follow? No, they're just doing. I mean, I guess they kind of are. God is kind of crazy.

Cristina: What?

Jack: All the raping and murder is kind of right up Jehovah's alley, huh? If anybody's doing it. Kind of accurate to Jehovah. Yeah, Old school Jehovah is probably Catholic Church.

Cristina: What? But he.

Jack: Murder, rape, slavery, that's all old school. God, he loved that.

Cristina: But that's against the. What. What are those things called? The rules.

Jack: The commandments.

Cristina: Yeah, I'm pretty sure no killing and no reaping are part of that.

Jack: God was down with all of that. Jehovah was down with all of it, but not.

Cristina: Why would he give you rules to not do that if he was down with it?

Jack: He was down with you doing it. If you told him to. If he told you to.

Cristina: Okay, then who were those rules for?

Jack: I don't know. Like, one of the literal things it says in the Bible is that if somebody were to take somebody else's wife, he has rights of rape or some s*** like that that's in the Bible. Like, rape is cool with God.

Cristina: Yeah, except periods aren't. You're not supposed to have sex while you're in your period.

Jack: I think that's such a guy thing to write.

Cristina: You're supposed to be in the bathtub the whole time or something.

Jack: Why would Jehovah give a s*** unless he's out here f****** women like Zeus, a demigod.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, he definitely. He definitely did that.

Jack: And he's like, I don't want no period blood.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: Well, I got some news for you, Jehovah. If you can walk through mud, you can f*** through blood.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Can he walk through mud?

Jack: I don't know. He could walk on water.

Cristina: The next question is, how does prayer work? For example, say my friend is sick and we pray for his healing. Wouldn't that mean if I don't pray, he doesn't heal? Isn't the power actually God's? God doesn't need us to ask or tell him what to do. God knows he needs healing because he is sick. What's the point of prayer if I have no power over what actually happens? If I pray, he could die. If I don't, he could die.

Jack: That's a legit question. Because the point of prayer, according to how it's taught to people, it's wrong. Prayer should, in theory, do nothing then, because God has a plan. Allegedly, the Christian God has a plan. Jehovah has a plan that's immaculate, it's perfect. It already considers every possibility that could ever exist, that could ever happen, it could ever take place, all at the same time. So whatever's happening to this person was always gonna happen to this person. Whether or not you pray, your prayer has no effect.

Cristina: Does the Bible. Does prayer come from the Bible, though?

Jack: I don't remember.

Cristina: Or is that something the church came up with?

Jack: I don't remember. But if God's plan was perfect, prayer would mean nothing. Yeah, because what, you just asking nicely is gonna be enough for him to be like, well, my perfect, flawless plan will be altered for this human who doesn't understand perfection. But ask nicely.

Cristina: Yes, but if this God has no idea what he's doing, maybe he will listen to what you're saying.

Jack: That is the only instance in which it makes sense. In which case God is again, a demigod. He'll just take random advice and like, can you help him? It's like, I mean, I guess.

Cristina: Yep, maybe he'll help you. Yeah.

Jack: So that is a huge problem that does exist within religion. The point of prayer, specifically Christianity, there's prayers for other religions, but Christianity has huge holes in the logic there.

Cristina: And in. In Catholic. In Catholicism.

Jack: Catholicism.

Cristina: In Catholicism. In Catholicism, you can also pray to saints and things like that. Like you pray to anyone. You don't even have to pray to God. You pray to Mary if you feel like it. Yeah, like that's a very interesting and.

Jack: Odd choice, but I think prayer is the real use for prayer is a form of meditation to just feel more connected and clear your mind.

Cristina: Yeah. I feel like that's probably what it was originally made, at least for other religions when they have prayer involved, that's seems like what they're doing.

Jack: Yeah. Before the Christians got a hold of it and turned it into some whole other s***.

Cristina: Yeah. But so pray if you feel like you need prayer. I guess.

Jack: Yeah. I would recommend everybody pray. You don't even have to believe in God, just pray to something.

Cristina: Yeah. And you might feel better, maybe 100%. The next question is, witnesses are only mentioned once in the Bible and are not mentioned in any other non biblical source. How can I trust that it actually occurred if I represented a document to court to prove someone's guilty, but only gave one source that was written by someone who was trying to convey the same message? No one would believe me without external validation.

Jack: That's real. And that just goes back to how do I prove. No, you don't. You don't. You don't prove anything. You'll never prove anything.

Cristina: No.

Jack: You have to just have faith.

Cristina: Yes. You just have to have faith.

Jack: Yes. People have a problem with that, it seems. How do I prove this? Well, it wouldn't be religion if you could prove it.

Cristina: Yeah, but they're always trying to prove it, though, to other people. That's how they convert people.

Jack: Yeah. They're totally wrong in trying to prove anything. Because the point is there's no proof.

Cristina: There's no proof. You just have to have faith.

Jack: Yes. The point is a lack of proof. That is literally the point of religion. No proof.

Cristina: No proof. I was telling you there's proof. They're lying to you.

Jack: Yes. Anybody trying to find proof is a liar.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because how are you going to have proof of what? How? And then where's the faith? If you proved there's God?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You don't need faith if you can.

Cristina: Prove there's a God in the Bible. There's like creatures though, right? Like fictional. Not fictional, I guess, but like dragons and phoenixes and stuff like that?

Jack: Yeah, there's weird s*** like that all over the place.

Cristina: Okay, that's interesting. Unrelated, but just very strange. The next question is, a murderer kills a lady who is good. Then that lady goes into eternal bliss faster than if she had just waited to die. The murderer is caught and given the death penalty. The murderer would go into h*** and be tortured for all of time for letting a woman go into eternal bliss for all of time faster. Where is the logic in that?

Jack: If you believe in religion, in Christianity, then all of this was meant to happen anyways. It was part of some weird bigger scheme we cannot comprehend.

Cristina: Yes. God made the murderer to kill that lady.

Jack: Yeah. And he made that lady to be killed by the murderer.

Cristina: Yes. And he wants her to go to heaven, maybe. And the murderer to h***.

Jack: Just cause.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's all part of the planet. Yeah. Just because s**** and the giggles.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The fact that anybody goes to h*** when there's a perfect plan, that's hilarious to me.

Cristina: That is.

Jack: Now, if you don't believe in religion and you are looking at this from the outside thinking, guy kills lady, she goes to like, okay, she goes to heaven, he goes to h***. He's not going to h*** for sending her to eternal bliss. He's going to h*** for ending her life on earth. This is just some ignorant atheist bullshit. This is stupid question formed by a stupid atheist. Yes, well, he sent her to eternal bliss.

Cristina: Yeah. But come on, he ruined her life that she had.

Jack: So you have always wanted a car and there is this stack of money you have that you don't want to use, and I go ahead and I steal your entire stack of money, but I leave behind the car you've always wanted. Well, you got the car you wanted. You're happy now. But you also didn't want to lose the money.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So you're sad now. There's still good and bad.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It didn't cease to be the fact that you f****** had the money and you wanted to keep the money and I forced you to have the car. Even if you ultimately still wanted the car, you still lost, still feel bad.

Cristina: About it because all that hard work.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: You never got to actually do the thing you want to do.

Jack: The money is your life. And it's like there was so much life to be lived and then you died.

Cristina: It's Kind of the journey thing like you're supposed to.

Jack: Yeah, you're gonna enjoy the ride.

Cristina: You're gonna.

Jack: Yeah, you're gonna get to heaven anyways. Yeah, so like what the f*** cutting.

Cristina: The ride off is. It's. That's the wrong here.

Jack: Yeah, but this is the point. Atheists are just as stupid as theists. They're all morons who are using half baked arguments to defend and argue anything. Nobody thinks.

Cristina: No, they think enough to think they know.

Jack: Yeah, I guess they forget that the Dunning Kruger effect exists and that's when you think you're the smartest person in the room, but you're usually the dumbest.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. And so in reality, the smarter you are, the more you know. You don't know.

Cristina: And this person, this person definitely thinks they know.

Jack: Yes. He's like, I did it. That says intelligent as being. Can God both make a rock that's unmovable and move the rock? It's like you're f****** moron.

Cristina: How dare you.

Jack: How dare you. It's stupid. It's so dumb. It's so unthought out.

Cristina: They need more friends. No they don't. I mean more people to talk to about different ideas. I guess.

Jack: Yeah, this isn't worked out enough. Yeah, it's super dumb.

Cristina: It's super dumb.

Jack: Yeah, I reject your question.

Cristina: It's been rejected. Yeah, goes to the loser pile.

Jack: To the losers pile. Yeah, we should make a loser's pile.

Cristina: There you go. That's how bad your question was. Sorry. Anyway, the next question is why is the Earth significant? Why would Earth be inherited by Christians and not the heavens themselves, stars and galaxies? Why does one planet matter more than the trillions of others? Would you still be bound by the arrow of time or will you navigate everything in a higher dimensional perspective?

Jack: Not sure how we got the dimensions from that, but. Okay, first nobody said there weren't people on the other planets also made by God. Yes, that's not written anywhere.

Cristina: He didn't say Earth is the only one.

Jack: Yeah, and why would he give you a book about people from some other planet?

Cristina: Yeah, that wouldn't matter to you.

Jack: That wouldn't matter to you. There's no proof that there aren't people on other planets also worshiping exactly the same God who in theory is everywhere.

Cristina: Yes, there's just other books.

Jack: There's other books. They got books relative to their societies and cultures written by the people who lead and teach them.

Cristina: But what with the whole galaxy? No, dimensions. What was he talking about? Dimensions?

Jack: I don't know. What we? I don't.

Cristina: What the f*** would we.

Jack: Would we still be bound by the arrow of time? Or would we navigate everything in a higher dimensional perspective? Like, what the f*** does that have to do with anything?

Cristina: Does he mean like once we're angels are going to rule everything? I don't know. I don't know. I think that's more God related, not human related. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, that guy went elsewhere with it.

Cristina: Yeah. The next question is, where is the Garden of Eden? The Bible has written with very little geographical knowledge since most of the world had yet to be discovered. But now it's the opposite. We have mapped the entire globe and settled all across it. And anywhere that there aren't humans living. Humans have been there and we have seen every part of it from satellites too.

Jack: That is so unbelievably, astoundingly uninformed. Why the f*** do they think we've explored the whole planet?

Cristina: Because satellites, I don't know, the satellites have done it.

Jack: That's super, super dumb. Like they think we've been to everywhere on the planet. No, that's so dumb.

Cristina: Like there are places, even if satellites captured everything, we definitely haven't been there.

Jack: Yeah. And we haven't like personally looked at every inch of satellite scans.

Cristina: Yeah, there's a bunch of islands that.

Jack: Are just not found.

Cristina: So many islands.

Jack: Yeah, there's islands just not found.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Even with satellite imaging, you'd have to scan the whole planet and find every.

Cristina: Single bit of tiny. Yeah, we can't tell how small the lands are there. Like.

Jack: Yeah. And there is a location that's expected, suspected to have been the, the Garden. Garden of Eden. I'm not sure if it was in the islands, the like Virgin Islands area or the African equivalent of that or something like that. It's in one of those places. It's just a little island suspected to fit the descriptions of the Garden of Eden.

Cristina: Okay, so there's some guesses to where the island is.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Or the Garden coup. And one day we'll get there.

Jack: Well, there's actually a conspiracy that the Garden of Eden is within the Bermuda Triangle and that's why it's being like, that's being protected and anything trying to get to it is disappearing to somewhere else. Because the Garden of Eden has been literally moved from space and time. It was a private paradise for perfect beings.

Cristina: Oh, that's a great one. What, what if that is the case? Oh man. And there's no way to prove it, I guess because we can't really do Anything?

Jack: Yeah, we have a weird anomaly on the planet that just like everything vanishes into.

Cristina: Yep, it's in there. I'm sure it is. What? That's awesome.

Jack: Yeah. Like, what the f*** even is the Bermuda Triangle?

Cristina: I don't know, but that's Bermuda.

Jack: Is it the Bermuda. The Bermuda Triangle?

Cristina: Yep. No, you said it two different ways. It sounds the same.

Jack: Yeah, whatever, but the Bermuda Triangle. I have no idea what the f*** is really going on there. Magnets.

Cristina: Magnets and aliens and time travel and the Garden of Eden.

Jack: Yeah, all of it.

Cristina: All of it. Many Christians I know accuse non believers of having hardened hearts, yet won't listen to anything that contradicts their beliefs. Could this also be dangerous? If someone is in an unhealthy relationship because of this religion, they wouldn't get help or even accept it. They hold tightly onto these beliefs and won't accept help since they might see it as temptation. Yeah, it sounds dangerous.

Jack: Believing anything too hard is dangerous. Believing atheism too hard is dangerous.

Cristina: It's all dangerous.

Jack: Any extreme is bad.

Cristina: Any extreme is bad.

Jack: Yes, that's it doesn't matter what you're talking about.

Cristina: Gotta somehow be balanced.

Jack: Well, eating is great. It'll keep you alive also. Eat too much and you might die. Eat too little and you might die. Yeah, air is really good. You need it. Get too little, you will die. Get too much, you will die.

Cristina: Yeah, there's no case that. That's not true. For there's gotta be something.

Jack: There's nothing that doesn't acid. Lsd, lsd. You can do f***, tons of LSD and nothing would happen. Then again, who knows, right?

Cristina: What if they.

Jack: If you can drink a bucket of lsd, I'm sure you die.

Cristina: But there's no too little.

Jack: There's no too little known. There's no such thing.

Cristina: Unless not having it is like. And you'll die in this. And by not having it, it doesn't change your life in the way it should change your life. I don't know.

Jack: There's no. That's a one directional thing.

Cristina: Oh, okay. I guess some things do have. I don't know.

Jack: That's not a good example.

Cristina: That's not a good example. Ignore that example. But you know what we mean. The Garden of Eden was described as a wonderful garden of peace and love. Then one day, a snake whispered into Eve's ear, making her want to eat the apple. Eve shared it with Adam. God threw Adam and Eve out of the garden, which was basically heaven on earth for doing something that they wouldn't have done anyway, if it wasn't for that serpent. If God is all knowing, why didn't he punish the serpent? He did.

Jack: God, this is another stupid f****** question.

Cristina: Well, he did, though. The serpent had no, that's not the point.

Jack: If God is all knowing, why was he surprised?

Cristina: Oh yeah.

Jack: That Eve ate the apple. What the f*** is this guy looking at the wrong problem for? Well, why didn't punish the serpent? Dude? Why did he put the serpent there?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The f*** do you mean why he punished. Why is the serpent there?

Cristina: Why did it exist?

Jack: Why did he make a fruit if he knew they were going to eat it?

Cristina: Why? Yes. Why would he even have that in the garden?

Jack: He made them to get punished.

Cristina: He made. Yes.

Jack: He just wanted to punish them.

Cristina: Yeah. Like why? That's ridiculous. It's so ridiculous. It's like leaving your child with a piece of chocolate in front of them and like walking away after saying, you better not eat it or whatever. Yeah, those weird tests.

Jack: Some kids pass it.

Cristina: Some kids pass it.

Jack: But then if God is waiting to see if they're gonna pass it, that's because he doesn't know the answer.

Cristina: Yeah, that's true.

Jack: Which again is just an argument for being a demigod.

Cristina: Yep. Man, he is a demigod.

Jack: He has to be. It's too much evidence.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: In the Bible. Like the Bible itself tells you he's a demigod.

Cristina: And just because he doesn't like other gods doesn't make him less of a demigod.

Jack: Yeah. And just because he doesn't like other gods doesn't mean there aren't other gods. Yeah, that kind of quite literally means there are other gods.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. He pretty much tells you there's other God by telling you don't believe in other gods.

Jack: Yep. Because don't follow the other gods. Yeah, don't follow the other gods.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What? Why? Why do you care?

Cristina: Why do you care?

Jack: Yeah. So that's kind of crazy and irrational.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Couple of different levels.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: People don't look at the right problems. Religion is problematic. Anyways. Anyway.

Cristina: Did we convert you?

Jack: Did we convert you? We're definitely running out of time. I hope we converted them. If you are super Christian now, if you've converted to Christianity, if you've been.

Cristina: Converted thanks to us, let us know.

Jack: Yeah, let us know. Send us a comment on the bar below. Below. You know, can you imagine? This is YouTube. Send us a like and subscribe below.

Cristina: Below.

Jack: Like Ray William Johnson below.

Cristina: Does it still below? It could be on us now.

Jack: It could be on the screen.

Cristina: Know how to edit that stuff? Like, is that complicated?

Jack: I don't f****** know. Maybe.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I give props to them. I don't know.

Cristina: Press the button on my top. On the top of my head.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: See it?

Jack: Yeah. Click the button floating over her head to subscribe.

Cristina: To subscribe.

Jack: Yeah. Anybody who's not on YouTube right now and is watching us on a podcast platform, somehow, I guess you could, on Spotify, in theory, watch us. Or could you only watch Joe Rogan?

Cristina: I think it's only him.

Jack: That's weird, right? Only Joe Rogan has video on Spotify.

Cristina: Unless you're making Spotify money like that. And I don't think anyone will.

Jack: I mean, they dished out a hundred million dollars for Rogan.

Cristina: Yeah. They gotta do the same for Chappelle. Isn't he gonna have a podcast?

Jack: So that's interesting. I wonder. I wonder where his podcast is gonna be.

Cristina: Yeah. Who's gonna pay and how much are they gonna pay?

Jack: Or is that podcast. It's probably out already.

Cristina: Oh, maybe it is.

Jack: Probably gotta find that. Check it out. Anyways, you guys can definitely find out more things about religion. There are many things about religion and.

Cristina: Theology and philosophy and science and etc.

Jack: All on the Just Conversation podcast. Rambling. All the rambling on. Us rambling about the conversations.

Cristina: Also, you talk with guests about all these topics.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I usually, like, circle back to a guest and be like, do you believe in God? Yeah, I do. Or I don't, or I'm not really sure where I stand. Which is usually the most common answer. Like, I don't know, know, whatever.

Cristina: And then you convert them to the opposite.

Jack: Yeah, I made a Christian become an atheist. I made an atheist become a Christian, and I turned somebody into a spiritualist.

Cristina: So I think you turn a Christian into an atheist and that same atheist into a Christian again.

Jack: Yes. Because fun.

Cristina: Because fun.

Jack: Because fun. So if you want to see some of that stuff, go check out our other content, our other episodes where we talk about those things and we discuss relationship on all kinds of context. And how many ums can you fit? Right.

Cristina: Yes. No, that's not.

Jack: That's bad TV or whatever they say.

Cristina: Is it bad tv.

Jack: Bad radio.

Cristina: Bad radio.

Jack: It's bad TV as well.

Cristina: Oh, I guess so. And like, like, like, like us now.

Jack: Like, like us. Anyways, you can find all that schnazzle on the official website, like graythoughts.info on, like, Apple podcasts or, like, Spotify or, like, anywhere you get your podcast and.

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Jack: Remember to subscribe and like rate and you could totally like review the show if you feel so inclined.

Cristina: Yes. And like let us know if you might like us.

Jack: Yeah, this like word of mouth is, is totally like great.

Cristina: And this show has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and like, thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: I don't know, like it's the one day where the new officer's in, so they're just assuming, okay, the guy who's sitting there.

Jack: But look, to be fair, can't a complete random show up in a robe and then sit there? And if it's a new officer, what if your whole job was to con these people and let your homie off? So you set it up in such a perfect way that you got the judge who was supposed to be here replacing the old one. Cuz like the old one is sick. You found out. You waited you sink day or they were going on vacation and you knew and you're like, I'm gonna put the trial for that day so that this guy's coming. I don't know. So you found out that this judge is gonna go on vacation and you figured out you first became somebody who works in the building just to change the date of when that court of when that situation would face your friend. Then when that situation does face your friend that you selected, you've also decided to get the replacement judge off of the case by saying there's another judge coming in, which is you secretly, okay, who just shows up in a row and that you knew there was going to be a new officer, so you change shifts around.

Cristina: What about everyone else that works there daily? They don't know. The transcriber doesn't recognize.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Are they new?

Jack: Well, this brings my point then. Then why do you need the robe? You're defeating your own argument at that point. Why do you need the robe? If somebody's going to be able to.

Cristina: Like nasam no, they should just have a little but ID that says I'm Judge. My name is Judge.

Jack: Y my name is Judge.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

July 03, 2021

Rambling 134: The Two Religions

July 03, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

Which has more answers for the mysteries of nature? Theology or Science? How different are these two belief systems? How identical are they? In this episode the duo breaks down the similarities and differences of Earth’s two greatest rivals for understanding the mysteries of nature. Theology and Science ad discussed as powerful religions.

+Episode Detail

Topics Discussed: The Scientific Method Atomic Theory Science vs Theology Objective vs Subjective Neil deGrasse Tyson Quantum Computer Morality Universe Jello Catholic Church Allegations

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+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yeah. So if you need to get somebody to listen to this show, be sure to make them.

Cristina: Make them.

Jack: It's always. Look, this show always begins on the woke truth, which is you. You have the obligation to force people. You're obligated for justice. For justice. To force people.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: To do what we're telling you to do, which is make them listen to the show. It's an obligation.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You don't know what kind of danger you're potentially in if you don't.

Cristina: Wait, they're in danger?

Jack: Yeah. The people we're talking to are in danger. They have to make other people listen.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Gotta run out into the show.

Cristina: I thought only the person that they're making listen was in danger, not realizing, like, oh, we're actually making the people do it. Like, they're not just.

Jack: Oh, no, they don't.

Cristina: Doing it for fun to.

Jack: Pretty sure. In the past, I've established that I will put their children in danger.

Cristina: Yes, Yes. I forgot about that. I don't know why I forget about that. It makes perfect sense that the person listening is also like, why would you.

Jack: Do what we're saying?

Cristina: I don't know. Because they're trolls. I don't know. They.

Jack: Look, there are some trolls out there who are just like, let's do this.

Cristina: Yeah, that's what I think. That's how I feel like most of the listeners are.

Jack: I mean, like, let's be real. A huge, like, by vast majority. Like, I feel sorry for somebody who stumbled into this and isn't a f****** troll. They're over here. Like, we're about to get educated and it's like, sure, sure, sure. I mean, look, we're not gonna tell you something that's not true.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: But we're also not gonna tell you something that's not false.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's.

Cristina: It's in there. It's in there. It's a little bit. Yeah.

Jack: But look, okay, okay. Let's be real. Right? Talking about real and fake and false and all this bullshit. Okay. What's let's. It's use a scientific method, right? You could prove. You could prove. What we're telling you is that it's dangerous or whatever. F***.

Cristina: I don't know. Because people say they use the scientific method to prove that the Earth is flat. And I don't believe it.

Jack: See, this is a weird argument because there's two things happening there. Some people think they can use science to prove the Earth is flat, which is in itself a little bit dumb, considering.

Cristina: I'm not sure if they know what the science. Scientific method is, though.

Jack: Yeah, they definitely don't because they are confused about the replication part of the pro of the whole program. Like, if I came to the conclusion, the whole other half, they're missing the. I did it and got this result. It's okay. Repeat it and get the result and then let somebody else repeat it and get the same result. They're missing that part. They're like, no, I got it the first try. I got it. I don't need any more proof. I understand. And it's like, this is science. This. Yeah, I'm sciencing, okay? And it's like, all right, bro, come on. But it's like, oh, some people also believe the f****** science is fake. And they use that to prove the Earth is flat. Like, all the science is wrong. Thus the Earth cannot be browned.

Cristina: So the scientists are wrong. I mean, they're not using the scientific method or there's something wrong with the scientific method.

Jack: God, that's so sort of the scientific method. It's not that something is inherently wrong with the scientific method. It's that it's not as right as they claim. They pretend that the scientific method is infallible, but everything is a theory because nothing has been proven. You just have overwhelming evidence for certain things, and you claim that to be as close a truth as you get. For example, the atomic theory. There are atoms. We behave and like the probabilities are in the favor of atoms by vast majority. We've built science around the concept that there are atoms. Technology relying on the idea that there are atoms. Also. We have no way to prove there's an atom. There's just not a thing we can do.

Cristina: We can't see them.

Jack: No, we're touching something, behaving in some way. We're not exactly a million percent sure.

Cristina: We're like seeing his shadow or something.

Jack: We're seeing data.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And not even all of it. That's why we keep finding s*** inside of a f****** atom.

Cristina: In an atom.

Jack: Yeah. We discover s*** about atoms all the time.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: If we're looking at atoms, that's where it gets shaky. Yes, because, like, what the f*** are we looking at?

Cristina: Mm. So then the scientific method is not the way to go.

Jack: It's the best method we have. It's better than religion, at least for the purposes we're using it for. Okay, fair enough. That's wrong. That's wrong. Although the statement that I followed it with, the purpose we're using it for, that statement corrected what I was saying. But ultimately it's about as useful as religion.

Cristina: It's as useful in what way?

Jack: Well, science leans into understanding the objective things that both you and I experience. That's very objective. We can both see a table in front of us and say, this is a table. You're saying table. I'm saying table. Okay. The table exists within the objective reality. Yes, but there are things you feel that nobody but you feels. They can try to explain what they're feeling, but you can't feel it too. Yeah, maybe it's the same. It might sound like the words you'd use. But also we're limited by our language, so maybe you just land on those words because you're the closest. Yes, but they're wrong.

Cristina: And you're saying religion is like that.

Jack: Religion is like that. Religion is aiming to explain the subjective world.

Cristina: Subjective world, yes.

Jack: While science purely, purely, purely aims at the objective things that we can all see and replicate. You cannot replicate something subjective. It's a personal experience. Yes, but you can.

Cristina: But the Bible is trying to explain that sort of.

Jack: The idea of theology in general is to explain that. Sure. There's some cross pollination. Right. So you end up with, like, morality inside of science, the concept of morality, what's right and what's objectively right and what's objectively wrong.

Cristina: Yeah, we.

Jack: It's loosely philosophical science. Like if we gave you a thought experiment and ran you through these things, is this right? Is this wrong? Could we put somebody else through the test? Like, you're using the scientific method to work with psychology.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And philosophy. But in. In religion, you're dealing with a completely different monster, which you're trying to reflect on what's inside of you. But there's the same cross pollination of. Well, we can try to tell you why the earth is at all, why we exist or what. Like, you know, there's that problem that exists in both. They're not really necessarily being used for what they're being used for. Yeah, they need. They want to explain everything. Both things but you can't.

Cristina: But why do they want to explain everything?

Jack: Because they're both religion and it's more about collecting the largest following than it is about being practical and useful. That's the same reason that scientists don't have the language to convey the information to the common person. Scientists are kind of f****** stupid. We think of scientists. Oh, they're so smart. A scientist is no smarter than a teacher who's a master at teaching than a construction worker who's a master at construction. They just happen to be in chemistry. So they're great at f****** chemistry. Or in physics. Or great at physics.

Cristina: But that doesn't mean they're good at teaching.

Jack: Yeah, that doesn't mean that they're good at teaching. They're just good at their thing. They're smart, not intelligent.

Cristina: People confuse those two.

Jack: Confuse those two s****. Too often people think intelligence collected. No, that's how fast you use information. That's how flexible you are with information. Most scientists, like theologists, are just smart in that one area.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they're ignorant to every other thing. Why is the joke? The scientists are extremely awkward people. It's because they have no social skills. They're not like interpersonally intelligent.

Cristina: Unless you count the few that are popular now.

Jack: Like Neil is not interpersonally intelligent. He is kind of rude. A bit aggressive, stubborn and rigid comedians for. Yes.

Cristina: Never mind. He has a shortcut.

Jack: He has buffers. Yes, he has buffers.

Cristina: He needs.

Jack: Oh, so like Neil is an intelligent guy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He is not just smart, he's intelligent. The problem is he's stubborn and heavily ignorant. So he'll use the information he has in clever, clever ways to just create a loop of confirmation bias rather than allowing other information into his thing. Yeah, he's just very, very. To him it's a religion.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Neil worships the science. He knows.

Cristina: Yes. Cuz well, to him he knows him.

Jack: He knows. He knows how the universe came to be. He knows what? And if the question seems to not fit, which we've heard many times, he'll say it's irrelevant. That question itself is flawed because it holds no meaning. It's like there's no such thing as a meaningless question, bro. He does not study Alan Watts.

Cristina: No.

Jack: He does not understand the true granular nature.

Cristina: What kind of intelligence or smarts is Alan Watts?

Jack: He's entirely about teaching. He's like Einstein. It was all just like he was really good at communication. He's a communication intellect or smarts. He's got communication smarts and he has interpersonal smarts that they can do very good at communicating their ideas and making it accessible to the commoner. That's the whole point of the theory of relativity. Very, very. Or not the book. Relativity. It's very, very visual dialogue. The whole point is a train is doing this and this is happening and it's going this fast and you're witnessing this as it's happening. And like you'll have the numbers. It's on the page also. You can f****** ignore it because the visual he's giving you is the numbers.

Cristina: Makes sense.

Jack: Yeah, it makes just as much sense.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: He was a scientist who studied science and used other methods to teach, not just science. Neil is just a scientist and doesn't know s*** else. He's all the blind spots in the world.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Only science. Just science. Nothing but science. You threw him in a random place. He starves to death. He has no idea how to survive. Because science is the. And specific science is astrophysics. The end.

Cristina: Yeah. That's not good.

Jack: That's all he's got.

Cristina: Deserted island.

Jack: Yeah. He's f*****. We look at space. Oh. Something's gonna. At that point he collapses into religion.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: Which is the other side of this. Because religion also has the same problem. Religion is trying to force crap down people's throats and also fails at explaining things in a way that makes it more accessible.

Cristina: I don't understand why they want to try to explain everything with religion though.

Jack: Why are you trying to explain everything with science?

Cristina: Okay. I guess it's both the same thing. Why does everything.

Jack: I don't know. They just want to do that. But I mean they're both the same. I guess the.

Cristina: So it's just like. We just will need an explanation no matter what we're using. We just. We just need everything solved. There can't be no mystery.

Jack: Yes. Yes.

Cristina: Because then that's danger.

Jack: And I guess that's ultimately where both science and theology come in.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because they're both trying to answer the questions. All of them. They're both trying to answer all the questions. They're so scared of having unanswered questions.

Cristina: Yeah. Because that could be something dangerous there. I guess. I don't know. Like what's gonna happen if we don't know?

Jack: Alright. Let's say we. We go in and we do some science and we find out in 15 years Earth is going to be hit by another planet that's gonna enter our system. Stray.

Cristina: Cool.

Jack: Okay. What are we doing? We don't have the technology to get ever. It's f*****. It's done. Technology, Nothing's happening. We're f***** up.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Well, we move to Mars. Doesn't matter. Two planets collapsing next to each other, crashing into one another. That close in proximity, the debris is gonna fly out and destroy Mars. It's crazy.

Cristina: So then what do we do?

Jack: We're all dead. It's the end of the human race.

Cristina: Okay. That's because we needed to know though.

Jack: Yeah. We found out and like, great. Now we just know we're gonna die.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Could have been a surprise.

Cristina: Yeah. Maybe surprises aren't so bad. I don't know.

Jack: Could have been a surprise.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But no. Although on the flip side, as that planet closes in and it gets closer over the weeks and months, those storms are going to be crazy apocalyptic scale.

Cristina: We're just going to enjoy that end of the world before the death.

Jack: No, it's going to be horrifying. All the volcanoes erupting simultaneously. Hurricanes and tornadoes everywhere. Megastorms.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Earthquakes everywhere.

Jack: The planet will be squeezed by the gravity of another planet. Getting crazy close.

Cristina: That's so cool, man. If we were far away, but I guess we're already doomed and like able to watch it.

Jack: That'd be cool.

Cristina: Yes. If it was hitting another planet. If it was hitting another planet, where we are though, we'd still die, right? Like it doesn't matter.

Jack: Like it would have to be a pretty far planet.

Cristina: Like if it was hitting Pluto, which I guess isn't a planet, but let's imagine that it is.

Jack: It depends how it hits it. Like Pluto's pretty far.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like we could still expect some s*** to happen though.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like there's gonna be the brief flying around.

Cristina: Like how big is this planet that's hitting Pluto?

Jack: That's another good question.

Cristina: Like it's gotta be bigger than Pluto.

Jack: If it's a planet.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. So what does that do?

Jack: It's a potential problem.

Cristina: We'll probably still die. You think we would still prepare though to get out of here? I think we've had over doomed.

Jack: No, we can't leave the solar system. We don't have the time.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Even if I say 20 years, we still don't. We don't have the time. Anything that's close to the orbit of Jupiter as that debris flies out in every direction is f*****. Even in a long term.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And anything that is in order, like a lot of those rocks are gonna get pulled in. We're towards the inside. Like we're way closer to Pluto. So we're what we're Based on the reference point of Pluto we're in, there's.

Cristina: Gotta be a scientist that's, like, dying though, right? Like, he's, like, worried, when is this giant rock gonna come out of nowhere? Because we don't know everything that's traveling in space at the same time right now with us and how everything is moving. Like, a planet could come out of nowhere. Can it? Or is that a very low possibility?

Jack: I mean, let's be real. A planet could kind of come out of nowhere. Random s*** exists. We suspect there's planets in our belt now.

Cristina: Yeah. But there's also, like, planets that aren't attached to galaxies. Or are they all attached to galaxies?

Jack: Stars.

Cristina: Stars. Sorry. Yes. Are they only attached to stars or are they flinging everywhere?

Jack: There are some planets that are just rogue. Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah. So.

Jack: And our star can capture one.

Cristina: Could capture it.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Without hitting anything?

Jack: Oh, no, it could definitely hit everything.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It could hit f****** everything. Like, it's highly unlikely that it hit anything.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: But, like, it's possible that it could be caught and enter the gravity and stay, like, caught orbiting. But it's probably gonna f*** some s*** up.

Cristina: Yeah. Man. There is someone stressing about this. That's why there's so many of, like, Planet X is coming. Because. Yeah, there are people stressing about this. We're in space. That's. With so many things we can't see, we don't know where they are all the time. We need that quantum computer.

Jack: But we're. We're kind of sort of dealing with. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Like, science isn't perfect.

Cristina: No.

Jack: There's no equation we could run and just be like, it's over there.

Cristina: What if we had that quantum computer, though?

Jack: That quantum computer would get pretty f****** close.

Cristina: So. But not perfect.

Jack: Like, it would. It would. The better the quantum computer, the more accurate.

Cristina: Yeah, but there's no such thing as a perfect.

Jack: No. Because it would need infinite energy to calculate everything.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We're thinking with a massively complicated quantum computer, we can not just do the surfaces of planets the way we've successfully done on certain things like the space engines and even video games have access to a lot of this technology now. But we're talking. Actually, I think Google Earth, if you zoom out far enough, you can get the galaxy Simcha. I'm not sure. But we have that technology available to render the outside pretty accurately.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We're getting the. The idea of a quantum computer would essentially lead us to a computer that could render not just the surface but the inside of planets and like all the kind. But we wouldn't do it in the whole universe because it too much.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: That's. That's where the problem is.

Cristina: We can at least see our neighbors.

Jack: Yes, that help. We'll probably be able to do local things and that as it expands in complexity, we'll be able to do more.

Cristina: And more until we have a map.

Jack: Of the whole thing of our galaxy, maybe our galaxy galaxy. But we also have to be in certain places in order to get the proper angle for the computer. Because the computer still gonna process information it's receiving. It's not guessing.

Cristina: Yeah, we'll have the science.

Jack: Yeah, hopefully. But then that's the problem with religion.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Because religion is also doing the same thing. They're just claiming, just like science, that, you know, we got the f****** answers. We know. And it's like meteor came or f****** planet was hurling our way. You don't f****** have anything. Religion is the same f****** way. It's like we know where everything's going when it's ending. How, why?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Who's going where? White. They're going there. It's like you. You're basing all of this on a book of metaphors.

Cristina: Well, most people don't even know what the book is saying though.

Jack: I mean, the people who f****** wrote it know what the book is saying. Cryptic a** mess.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's all interpretation.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's crazy as h***. It's all bigoted machista interpretations going on.

Cristina: So I don't know that's it's such a mess of a book. How is anyone getting any information from it?

Jack: The creation of the universe, nevertheless. Answers for human behavior nevertheless.

Cristina: Yes. When the end of the world is happening, what?

Jack: Things have their place. And we fail at realizing that things have their place. Religion has its place and so does science. And it is in that science should just be focusing on the objective and theology should just be focusing on. Because again, they're both religion. So theology should be focusing on the subjective and that should be the division you should use. The real purpose of religion. Right. Is a meditative tool. You might believe that there's literally something there that's totally fine.

Cristina: Whatever about the moral values you get from it.

Jack: That's where you're at. Exactly. That's where you're starting to land. That's the point one. When it comes to morality, that's neither religion nor science. That's pure or theology. I keep saying religion, neither theology or science. That's philosophy. Really? Really.

Cristina: It should. So it should stick to that, then.

Jack: It should stick to that. Because the problem is it's a way of thinking about things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To say blankly there is a right or wrong is something that science tries to do and something that religion tries to do. But in neither instance could you prove anything.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Because in science, you would argue everything is ones and zeros. Nothing holds inherent meaning. Well, wrong. If I shot you, you would be very frustrated. Even if you couldn't feel pain, if you just knew you were shot, you're like, f***, you suck.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You need to feel pain. You're not gonna die. You just shot. You're just like. You're an a******. That was shot.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Why do you feel that way?

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: Okay. In religion, they claim that everything is inherently good or bad, but you couldn't point at an example of either that you're basing the argument that this other thing is on.

Cristina: Where is this pure good or pure evil?

Jack: Exactly. How are we pretending there's any. But again, morality is neither. It's a way of thinking.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Reference point of, well, what would bother me? Why would it bother me? Okay. These reasons, then that means it would probably bother them in a more or less similar fashion. Because we're more or less similar.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then use that generalization. There's already a guideline, a set of rules that you're like, I don't know where it came from, but it's there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Religion would say, that's not a f****** thing. That's all in your head. Religion would say, well, God put it there. Who cares? It's. There's some thing that's there.

Cristina: Yes. That's so crazy. Okay. Yes.

Jack: That's. That's all it is. It's all that matters. There's a thing that was f****** there.

Cristina: Mm. In you.

Jack: Not necessarily in you, but it's both objective that you can confirm with somebody else. Man, this would suck if this happened, right? Yeah. Yeah, it would suck if that happened. Why? If neither would have ever experienced it, I don't know, but I know it would suck.

Cristina: Yes. That's the way it should be.

Jack: You'd be an atheist and that would happen.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In fact, that is the argument for atheism.

Cristina: What is?

Jack: Well, we don't need religion to be moral people.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: It's like.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then what is morality, bro? It's not science either. It's not like science is like. Science is ones and zeros.

Cristina: Apparently they think there's morals in there.

Jack: They try to explain, to explain away morals. Oh, but you have the Sensation of morals.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: While religion tries to say that for a fact there are morals. But also no. Because we're basing it all on our own opinions.

Cristina: Yes, we definitely have opinions. Yes, that's for sure.

Jack: That's for sure. We definitely have opinions. The weirdest thing, we could agree on these opinions.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like pretty. Pretty heavily, universally.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To just say this is good, this.

Cristina: Is bad, but these are all just opinions.

Jack: They're all just opinions, but they're somehow universal opinions that we all agree with. It's sort of like the concept of creativity. What are you tuning into that allows you to see this thing that doesn't exist?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Whatever that is. Probably where morality comes from.

Cristina: Imagination.

Jack: We're like, being creative about our approach to perspective in general.

Cristina: Mm. I don't know. Where does that come from?

Jack: I have no idea. But I don't know why these things aim to do these things. They try to force so much crap onto one another. And the problem is they also have because so funny. They pretend they're not. They're not each other.

Cristina: You're saying they're the same thing? Yeah.

Jack: Theology and science pretend they're not each other, but they are both sides. I'm gonna take a scientist and a priest and say that they're both way committed to their sides. Scientist is. I'll say. I don't know why this is the comparison. But we'll say Neil Degrasse Tyson with the Pope.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So the Pope will have to preach God. Yes. For a fact. He's up there. True, true. That woke truth God. Yeah. Sky Daddy team or whatever the f***. Team Sky Daddy.

Cristina: Who says that? Are religious people saying that?

Jack: Sky Daddy. I don't know.

Cristina: Those are people making fun of religious school, man.

Jack: Is that. They have a Sky Daddy. Come on.

Cristina: Yes, they have a Sky Daddy. Yeah. I mean, he's not in the sky, is he?

Jack: Dude, they swear. I mean, I don't know what they think.

Cristina: Ah.

Jack: Do they think there's no space?

Cristina: The space is very small, or.

Jack: No, not even that. Or. Man, it's weird because what do some people really think is happening, right?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: It's f****** strange. Like, do they think it's just like over the clouds, Heaven?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it's like, wow, this is small.

Cristina: Like, you know in Mario, where there's a plant that grows, and then you can climb the plant and then there's clouds and you can step on the planet clouds.

Jack: Jack and the Beanstalk.

Cristina: Yes. But in Mario version, I guess that's based On Jack and the Beanstalk. Yeah. That's heaven.

Jack: Yeah. It's all the same.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Well, ultimately they are the same thing, though, because they both have the. The Golden Grail, which is what they both follow, which is their scripture.

Cristina: What is the scripture?

Jack: In theology, they have literal scripture that they call scripture.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And in science, the scripture is science journals.

Cristina: Science journals.

Jack: Yeah. Let's discuss science journals real quick. It's a book written by people who aren't you.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They've done, quote, research and run experiments that you don't know anything about and you can't and don't have the resources to replicate.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And then they put it in a book, and then other people, you don't know say, yes, true. And then they tell the rest of the world, and people are like, yeah, that's true.

Cristina: But those people that said, yeah, that's true. They tested it out.

Jack: Yeah, totally. How is that any different than the guy who saw Jesus? And the other guy's like, I saw him too.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And it's like, right, But I didn't see Jesus. Where's Jesus? No, don't worry. I saw Jesus. Yes, and I saw him, too, but I didn't. You two saw him. How do I know you two aren't lying?

Cristina: He was on the toast. I ate him. I was hungry, was what. He was on the toast and I ate him because I was hungry.

Jack: Oh. But, yeah, that's pretty much how it goes. Science is that. That's science.

Cristina: It's religion.

Jack: It's religion.

Cristina: And so it's religion.

Jack: It's no better, no worse. It's just choosing to explain s*** differently. Yeah, I mean, I've given the example before, but let's do it again. We take science and we take theology.

Cristina: Let's.

Jack: Let's use the common American Western religion of the singular sky. Daddy, Jehovah. Jehovah, Papi, Jehovah. Right. So you have nothingness except for this one thing that exists and encompasses all that there is. We'll call that God or singularity, whatever. It was always there. And then it was like imma blink into existence. A bunch of s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so it happened. God started bringing crap in, and so the singularity blew up and started spewing out all the matter that would become crap. And as all the matter spewed out, first plans started to take shape. God was on that roll, too. Once he had the planets, started making the heavens and the water, the oceans and s***.

Cristina: But his orders are kind of weird, though. I don't know if his orders of making things made sense. I don't remember.

Jack: The order isn't necessarily important because all the parts were there.

Cristina: Yes, yes. The conclusion I guess is important.

Jack: Parts also, how do we know what order it happened for? It was Jello at the beginning.

Cristina: It was Jello.

Jack: Yeah. We barely got told that part. Everything was Jello.

Cristina: Was.

Jack: Yeah. It was so hot. Solids were impossible. Oh, solids only happen during cooling.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: That's why water becomes ice. Cuz cooler. But when water is really hot, it's just vapor. So it was so hot. Everything was first vapor, but then it got just warm. Just cool enough that it wasn't just vapor, it was Jello.

Cristina: So in the beginning there was Jello.

Jack: In the beginning there was Jello.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Couple of seconds into the creation.

Cristina: Okay, this is the science version. Yeah, it was Jello. Okay, cool.

Jack: So God then made planets and that Jello solidified and made some planets and stars and yeah, everything became spheres. Yeah, God made the sun. Stars happened in science circles are my favorite. That sun had enough gravity to pull matter together and made planets and. Well, science says that plans began. So you just follow the train of thought and all the same parts happen. You're trying to explain all the same things. Where do we go when we die? Well, neurology says, okay, religion, what happens when we die? Well, the Bible says when you die, you go to try and explain the same s***. Yes, just religion. Both are religion, theology and science.

Cristina: Especially when explaining death. It makes no sense for either. For either. Yeah. What?

Jack: Who the f*** are we to try to explain death?

Cristina: No. Yeah, there's no way we will know. Based on what exactly? I don't know.

Jack: It's ridiculous, isn't it? That being said, if we tried to prove death right, like what's on the other side? How the f*** would do that? If there was a way, what would be the way? It couldn't be religion. It would have to be science.

Cristina: It has to be.

Jack: Because you need to use something that we, that we could ourselves see. If it's subjective, it wouldn't work.

Cristina: Yeah, that's because like the dead guy.

Jack: Saw it, but the dead, he can't tell us. Yeah, we need a living person to see the other side.

Cristina: Science to find out what's happening.

Jack: They both serve their purpose. They both serve their purpose. Definitely. If you look at, in the case of science, you can, you can do a lot of things. We built cars and GPS and bunch of f****** s***. We're talking into microphones that are sending sound waves through a wire into a computer. That's Recording it. And then later that's gonna become a different kind of file that then is gonna be mass distributed to the planet. That's science.

Cristina: Yes. And they're evil.

Jack: The Bible didn't make that happen. But science tries to say that religion is unimportant.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or I guess it in itself is religion. But theology. And theology does a couple of good things, which is it tells stories that allow us to understand the world differently. And at any given moment, theologies have the best idea. Now we're in such a technologically advanced, particularly the Western societies and the. I guess Asian societies are really, really like Eastern Asians are very advanced and a lot of the western culture that we are losing the purpose of religion because it was there to tell us stories that would protect us when we're in danger, give us anecdotes about bad places to be, bad behaviors to have conflicts that could happen as a result.

Cristina: But now we can just tell each other that through the Internet.

Jack: Yes. And so we don't need a lot of these things that came from religion. But spirituality is important.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It makes you feel connected. That's important. That's not just philosophy. There is something else happening when you're talking about spirituality.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There is a thing you feel that isn't your emotions.

Cristina: Do you get spirituality from religion or is that its own?

Jack: It's a close estimate.

Cristina: It's.

Jack: It's a close way to get it. You can also get it from. I guess you could experience. You could get it from anything.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's just religion seems to be the best at doing that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because it's the best at making you feel connected.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like everything is like in science. They're so boring with it. Ones and zeros. You are made of stardust. Great line, bro.

Cristina: Hey, that's sort of connected. That's a very connected thing.

Jack: The lack of explanation of. What does that mean? Well, you made of stardust means the same matter that blew out of the singularity spread out into the universe pretty evenly distributed and then started clumping together. And then that same thing eventually made oceans and made trees and made parasites that were alive and germs and cellular creatures started to get complicated. And these are same atoms still and particles and crap together forming that. You tell that story and you're like, oh, we're all connected. I made the same s*** you're made of. But if I'm like, we're all stardust, it's like. It sounds like some f****** song.

Cristina: It's beautiful. It's a beautiful story.

Jack: We're all made of stardust.

Cristina: Yes. It kind of sounds hippie ish. For something that's scientific.

Jack: Yeah. Religion is pretty hippie ish too. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's the fact that we try to force it down people's throats that is a really.

Cristina: Forcing down anything down people's throat is a problem, whether it's science or religion or whatever. I think that's the biggest thing.

Jack: Yeah. My biggest problem is how we all have the capacity to believe in things that we've not proven ourselves.

Cristina: And then forcing it through other people's throats.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Sleeves. Like why?

Jack: That's weird and complicated, right? Yes, man. Cuz we don't know s*** about s***. We're really winging it pretty f****** hard.

Cristina: Why can't we just be honest about that?

Jack: I don't know. We're scared of the unknown crap.

Cristina: That's what we're. That's why we have all this in the first place.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We're scared of the unknown. That's why we have it in the first place. Because we're scared of the unknown.

Cristina: That's why we have science and religion and Etc.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Because we're scared.

Jack: And we need answers. And those of us who don't have the skills to practice these things actively will just take whatever answers they give us. Because it's better than not having any clue.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then incorrect information beats no information.

Cristina: I understand. But still, why give it? Why force it onto other people?

Jack: My. My big problem is why do we have a fear of the unknown?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like what's wrong with it? Everything is unknown. We don't really know s***. Come on, man.

Cristina: That's why people need to check out Alan Watts. Then they'll see, like.

Jack: Yeah, it's all meaningless.

Cristina: It's all meaningless. But it's a good meaningless thing.

Jack: I mean, that's all about.

Cristina: It's really about just enjoying the moment.

Jack: The problem is the four answers to the glass. Half full or half empty.

Cristina: What?

Jack: There are too many variants of how you can take the same information.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. Yeah.

Jack: The glass is half empty. Yay. There's more for me to do. The glass is half empty. F***. Half is already done.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The glass is half full. Ah. Half the work is done. Sweet. The glass is half full. F***. Somebody has already filled out this part. Like, it sucks. It doesn't matter.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's really like there's no right. And every individual basis.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that's why we have the two different systems the same way. The glass is Half full or half empty. We have religion and science. Two different sides.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To kind of try to grasp everybody. Some people are more critical thinkers. Some people are more emotional. Some people require a little more spiritual feeding. Some people don't have a spirit. They're like borderline sociopaths. And so they do the numbers thing. Cold as f***.

Cristina: Whatever. I guess it all fits.

Jack: It's meant for somebody.

Cristina: It's meant for someone, but it's all.

Jack: Doing the same s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then enter philosophy. The. The winner guy. Daddy. Of the f****** ideologies of the religions.

Cristina: The sky daddy.

Jack: Yeah, we got theology and we got science. But, like, they both rely heavily on philosophy.

Cristina: Well, they both look down on philosophy.

Jack: Too, though, which is so funny, because they depend entirely. There's nothing they could do without it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They think they're the next step.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're not. Because science is what you get when you make philosophy rigid. And religion is what you get when you strip out the thinking part.

Cristina: Strip out the thing. That sounds bad. Yeah, it's not bad, I guess. You don't need to be thinking all the time.

Jack: You don't need to be thinking all the time.

Cristina: Your brain needs a break.

Jack: Yeah. If you're thinking all the. And that's another problem. We've deluded ourselves to think that.

Cristina: That we have to be thinking.

Jack: You have to be thinking. The act of meditation is training to not.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which we gotta train into. Because of how programmed we are to think all the time.

Cristina: Yeah, I have that problem. Yes, I know.

Jack: The idea is going back to the fact that you mentioned Alan Watts. A person who thinks too much spends their time thinking about thoughts. And you're not present. You're just worried about thoughts that aren't happening.

Cristina: And then you're wasting your life away. Yeah. It's very depressing.

Jack: What's the point of thinking about thoughts? You're not. You're thinking about thoughts. You're not experiencing anything else to think about.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Go and experience emotion, then think about it. You got to be there to experience it. If you're thinking thoughts while you're there, you're not experiencing the thing. You're blocking out the experience by thinking thoughts.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Experience it later. Have thoughts about it.

Cristina: So it's. It's so, so sad. But, yeah, it's beautiful.

Jack: Alan Watts, philosophy. Right there.

Cristina: It's perfect.

Jack: Stop thinking thoughts.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's getting in the way of life.

Cristina: Yes. It's getting in the way.

Jack: Yeah. You thinking thoughts is getting in the way of your life.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's a weird thing. To be told by anybody. You're thinking too many thoughts.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What the f*** else would I be thinking? Nothing. You'd be thinking nothing. Stop thinking thoughts. Think nothing.

Cristina: Just be.

Jack: Just be present. Do what you're doing. Roll with it. Be impulsive, whatever. Who gives a s***? Be present.

Cristina: Yeah. And that doesn't mean, like, not do. Like, if you like science or philosophy, like, whatever. Still do those things. Yeah.

Jack: But don't be rigid about any of it. Yeah, well, we gotta follow these rules. Neil does not have fun in life. That's why trolls have way more fun than Neil. Neil Degrasse Tyson is a miserable man.

Cristina: He said trolls, though. How do you compare trolls to this?

Jack: The idea here is that a troll finds it funny. They'll laugh it off. Neil gets kind of angry. It's like the difference between me and you, dude, is I have more fun in life because I laugh at it. I found it funny. Life better. You found it something that had to be corrected, explained. And that's problematic because you're angry at the fact that it's not happening the way you want it to happen.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's weird. But it's sort of the reality of the matter. It is f****** weird. I don't. I don't understand, but it is. I guess it is a f****** fear of the unknown. That's always. I don't know where that comes from, though. Evolutionary. Right, we're just evolutionary f****** scared of what we don't know.

Cristina: Yes. That's probably the explanation. Most likely has to be right.

Jack: Because animals are scared of what they don't know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And this.

Cristina: They all do.

Jack: Defense mechanism.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's survival. The problem is we became symbolic, metaphoric creatures seeking meaning in the fabric of the universe, which is all riddled with unknowns. So we get to think about the unknowns rather than just instinctively be afraid of them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then religion and science happen, and.

Cristina: Then we're trapped in our own thought loops.

Jack: We're thinking too many thoughts. And that is science and religion. We're just f***** bouncing between these two. We're either one or the other. We're arguing against one or the other.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And forcing people. No. You're gonna go to h***. But you don't know that. Somebody told you that. And the guy who told you that didn't study it. Didn't go prove that s***. You just got given the answers. Yeah. So many people f****** claim to be religious and have never picked up a single Bible. I find that magnificently hilarious.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh, I'm a Christian. Oh, yeah. What did Paul say? Who's Paul?

Cristina: No way.

Jack: What?

Cristina: Okay, that's how bad it gets, dude.

Jack: That's how bad it gets. It's just like. But look, if you say like, I believe there's something greater than me, that's fine.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I'm Christian. Are you though, bruh?

Cristina: You test them out.

Jack: Even worship, bruh. You even worship, bruh. I guess at that point that's how you gotta treat these people the way you do. Like people who wear banties.

Cristina: What are band tees?

Jack: T shirts with band names on them.

Cristina: Oh, band T's.

Jack: Yeah. You gotta be like, name three songs. I'm a Christian. Alright. Name three apostles.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Name three apostles, bruh.

Cristina: Then name three things they said.

Jack: Name three things they each represented. Yeah, let's go. It's like, what?

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: Which one of the apostles did Quizdom tribute night? You Christian? All right, come to my house. You Christian? All right, come to my house. At this time tomorrow, we're gonna see if you're Christian. Have a whole group of people there just to like quiz them and prove that they're not or they are or whatever.

Cristina: Yes. Why hasn't the church done something like this? This is amazing.

Jack: It's great, right? Just make the Christian. The church wants a lie and say there's more Christians than there are. Oh, that's anybody.

Cristina: Then they have a problem with everyone.

Jack: I mean. Yeah, because the church doesn't give a s*** about the Bible or Jesus Christ. Okay, the church pretends it does, but the church is really just run by government and government is run by rich racists, which is why it's like, well, women have to f****** do this and do that. And like, we can't have gays either in the Bible and in church because, you know, we're straight white men. That's scary to us because we probably, probably suck d*** secretly and we don't want people to know. We're gonna judge us on d*** sucking. Like you're billionaire, dude. Nobody gives a f***.

Cristina: They're all child molesters.

Jack: So they are. That's where it gets f*****. Which is also approved by religion, specifically the Catholic Church.

Cristina: They're all. All of them. Yeah. All the religious, all the governmental. All of it.

Jack: They like to f*** all the children all the time. God, that's always a topic on this show.

Cristina: It's hard to ignore.

Jack: It is so hard. Anytime we discuss religion, we sudd the Catholics. Look the other way.

Cristina: Just them. It's so many organizations, but it's like people way heavily.

Jack: Yeah, way heavily. The Catholic Church.

Cristina: Yes. But it's everyone.

Jack: It's everyone. But not in vast majority everywhere. No, it's like heavily. Like if we grabbed all the people, molesting all the people, like a good 90% of them are just priests.

Cristina: That's how much hardcore, bro. That's.

Jack: No, that's hardcore. And they get away with it. That's a problem.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: How many of them never get caught?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Just f*** the people growing up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Just ruined hella lives. That's a monster though.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Functioning great in society. Sociopathic bullshit going on. D***. It's safe to assume that a lot of press, a lot of priests are a bit sociopathic. Right. Maybe they gotta disconnect. Unless it's an emotional urge. Oh no, I gotta f***, I gotta f*** em. It's like, bro, I don't know.

Cristina: I really want to know now.

Jack: That's what it's interesting, right? Like if we could test these people. Are they sociopaths? Is just a church run by sociopaths or do they have a problem? It's like a real problem.

Cristina: Like I gotta find out if anyone actually found that out. I'm sure they must have. Right? They must have questioned these guys.

Jack: I think because they're religious figures, we treat them differently then being curious and being like, bro, are you f****** these kids because you don't like care that they're gonna be ruined in the future? Or you have no self control despite knowing that they have a f***** future if you do this.

Cristina: I wonder how many choose the first answer.

Jack: It's nuts. They're just like, I don't give a f***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: F***, let the kids have crappy lives. I don't give s***. Oh my gosh, I need to get my willy wet. And then God's gonna. I just go pray later and I'm cool.

Cristina: What about those sisters? Why they gotta touch the kids? There are plenty sisters.

Jack: They rape them too.

Cristina: They do, yes.

Jack: Crazy known.

Cristina: I thought the sisters were just having like female parties on their own.

Jack: Well, like touching each other and whatnot. Yeah, I mean probably. But I know that a bunch of the nuns casually the priests, because they're also not getting laid.

Cristina: But they're not being raped. Or are they being raped.

Jack: Some of them are.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: There's a lot of things going on. Oh, it's like yay religion.

Cristina: Yeah. Sounds like those horror stories from being in jail or whatever prison. The cops raping the prisoners or whatever for the fun of it. Because they're prisoners. I don't know what the whole thing.

Jack: It'S Usually male cops raping female inmates.

Cristina: Yeah, that's pretty horrible.

Jack: That's just horn dogs who are like, I'll get away with it. And then they go pray. God is gonna forgive him. God's gonna forgive him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Jesus will forgive them because he forgives. That's a weird thing about the Old and New Testament. The Jesus thing, the God thing. Jehovah is two different guys.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They're vastly different people. The first dude is wrathful, destructive, jealous, angry, savage. Which tells us he's a demigod in the first place. Why do you have emotions, bro?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Like, whatever. Yeah, you can't just blink his problems away. Very angry and just can't blink it away. Nope. Yeah, totally logical, bro. That's. That's exactly what it is. You hate it all. You want to destroy it all, but you can't. Sweet.

Cristina: But he does. And then he brings it back. Or is someone else doing that?

Jack: The best he could do is flood it. He couldn't get rid of it.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Just made it rain. Apparently, he's a God of weather.

Cristina: Yes. Is that how he's done. Whoa.

Jack: He destroyed and he sent. I think he made fire fall from the sky too.

Cristina: Okay, yeah, he has done some things. Okay, yeah.

Jack: Gave Moses the power to split the oceans.

Cristina: Wait, so he can give people powers?

Jack: He gave him a stick with powers. Maybe that was just a tool that the gods use.

Cristina: He controls the weather. Is he the Earth because he gave him a stick and it's magical? Maybe he's just Earth.

Jack: Gaia.

Cristina: Yeah. What if he was Gaia all along?

Jack: That would make sense. Gaia is, like, a pretty ancient God. I think it actually predates Jehovah.

Cristina: Oh, okay. There you go. Jehovah is just Gaia in disguise. I guess.

Jack: I mean, considering that Christianity is just Greek mythology. Well, it's just Judaism, and Judaism is Greek mythology, and Greek mythology is a Norse mythology, and Norse mythology is Hinduism. It's possible the Hinduism just comes from. From the original understanding and labeling from natives of different cultures that talked about Gaia. That talked about Gaia.

Cristina: Mm. What is that? What does that do?

Jack: Tells me when I get a message.

Cristina: Is it from this conversation or that's from something else?

Jack: No, nobody here has sent us a message.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But, yeah, I don't know. I think it's real f***** up that people force the unknown on people as if it's totally known.

Cristina: Religion or science. It's all the same.

Jack: Science knows a lot, but it also doesn't have a finite answer for anything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It can't just be like for a.

Cristina: Fact, but they want you to believe it's believe.

Jack: I would say theology, out of the two has the least amount of way specific answers, but also it doesn't need specific answers because it's a subjective experience guidebook.

Cristina: Yeah. You're not supposed to be. The questions that you're trying to answer with the Bible doesn't make sense.

Jack: Yeah. It's about you internally.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: How you feel, how your emotions are. Your spirit just way abstract and personal versus objective, which is science.

Cristina: Mm. You can just divide the two.

Jack: Yeah. You have to think of that as two very different things that function together.

Cristina: And they would function together if you were thinking of it like that. Yeah.

Jack: Yes. Theology and religion do great together. Do great, great, great, great, great together.

Cristina: As long as they're not competing to answer the same questions. That doesn't even make sense.

Jack: That doesn't make sense.

Cristina: No.

Jack: It should just be things that you can create and base and understand from science and things that allow you to feel like a good person. Understand basic moral principles, family values. I'd suggest everybody become a Mormon. Yes. It's a stupid f****** religion that makes no sense. Also, their family values are better than every family value everywhere. You literally have to make time for your family. Go be a Mormon. Learn to love people.

Cristina: Those aren't the people that kick out their children if they don't want to continue that life or something.

Jack: You mean the Amish?

Cristina: Oh, okay. I don't know. They're very similar in my mind.

Jack: The Amish are the. Are you talking about Orthodox Jews as well?

Cristina: I don't. There's a couple of them.

Jack: There's a couple of these people out there.

Cristina: Mormons live. Do they live the same as the Amish, though?

Jack: No, they're just people.

Cristina: Okay. They don't live in farms. No.

Jack: They don't live in a house.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Like anybody else.

Cristina: And they use electricity and all that.

Jack: They're super normal.

Cristina: I don't.

Jack: You might know mad Mormons and not even know it.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It might just be surrounding you. They're just people.

Cristina: They're just people. Okay.

Jack: They're just Christians.

Cristina: All right. Amish. They're not.

Jack: No. Those aren't humans at all. Those are weird freaks of nature who are like.

Cristina: Those are people. But they're. It's not a religious thing. It's a life choice.

Jack: Both.

Cristina: It's both.

Jack: It's a life choice based on religion.

Cristina: What religion?

Jack: The. I believe it's Judaism.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Amish or Jews? If I'm not mistaken. They are the Orthodox Jews.

Cristina: Oh. Are you positive?

Jack: I think so. I'm pretty, like, heavily sure. I could be wrong. But then that means that these two groups are very similar.

Cristina: Oh, the Jews and the Amish.

Jack: The Orthodox Jews and the Amish.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But I think the Amish are the Orthodox Jews. I'm not entirely sure on how that breaks down, but that seems right.

Cristina: Let's become Amish. Let's live by them. We don't have to be living with them to be their neighbors. Or they can't have neighbors.

Jack: I will never be Amish.

Cristina: I don't want to be Amish. I just want to be a neighbor of Amish.

Jack: Go live next to Amish people then.

Cristina: That's crazy. No, I mean, yes, let's go.

Jack: You can go.

Cristina: I could go. Okay, I'll go.

Jack: I have no reason to go.

Cristina: I need my podcast people to come with me.

Jack: You can take the whole crew.

Cristina: Yes, I want the whole crew to come with me.

Jack: Everybody's going.

Cristina: Everyone.

Jack: They're just all living over there?

Cristina: Yes, all. All of us. There's a lot of people. I know, but we'll make it work. We'll get one house.

Jack: You mean basically start your own Amish community?

Cristina: I guess so. Yes. We're gonna start an Amish community.

Jack: Start an Amish community. But the reason they do this because of religion is because they believe that electricity is unnatural.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so anything using it is also unnatural. It's not something God put on earth for us.

Cristina: Are they sure that electricity isn't something God gave us?

Jack: It's definitely something God gave us.

Cristina: Because I feel like. Yeah, that's exactly where it's coming from. It is natural.

Jack: Yeah, but they think like technology and crap like that.

Cristina: Oh, okay. How we use it. Interesting. I don't know. Because then they're doing the same with the wood from trees. It's not. Not that. The same thing. I don't like. What's the difference?

Jack: I have no idea what you're trying to say.

Cristina: That they can destroy trees to build houses and stuff like that.

Jack: Right. So the house isn't natural.

Cristina: Yes, but that's the same thing with the electricity. The electricity is natural. What you do with it is unnatural.

Jack: Yes. So the tree is natural. What you do with it is unnatural.

Cristina: Exactly. So.

Jack: Except animals do what you do with the tree. I think that's where the base. What would an animal do?

Cristina: But we're not animals.

Jack: We totally are. Except that's science, right? Oh, not religion. Because man was made already as man, according to religion.

Cristina: Okay, wait, so then there are.

Jack: I don't know where the argument is. Yeah, I don't know where the argument comes from.

Cristina: Yes. Because in religion, we are just. We're humans. Animals are animals. That's what you're saying. Yes.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Then.

Jack: Well, in science, we can. We're all the same.

Cristina: We're all the same. Yes.

Jack: Theory of evolution. Because again, nobody's proven we came from s***. Yeah, it's a theory that we came from s***.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: From true, literal poop. From s***. We came from s***.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Us? Everybody.

Cristina: Everyone.

Jack: There was a t*** at the beginning, a magical t***. And of that magical t*** stepped out the first bipedal who later became a human. And now we poop the Earth.

Cristina: We do poop, but everyone poops.

Jack: Isn't that like a child book?

Cristina: Everyone poops. I don't know.

Jack: It's a book for kids who are scared to poop because they're ashamed of pooping.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: I feel like that makes sense. Why would they be shamed of pooping?

Jack: And training A puppy, maybe?

Cristina: Yeah, they're training the child. But why would you need a story to tell you how to poop or something? I don't know. That's weird.

Jack: I mean, you always knew how to poop, but they're telling you. I guess that's potty training. It's like you're pooping in a different space other than on yourself. You used to poop in yourself.

Cristina: Some kids are afraid of toilets, I think.

Jack: And everybody poops in the toilet.

Cristina: Yeah. You gotta show them that it's not scary.

Jack: This is also where the programming comes in, right?

Cristina: What is it?

Jack: Religion and science. There's a follow the line mentality.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And that happens with pooping.

Cristina: Oh, my God.

Jack: Which is like, well, look, Timmy, everyone else uses the toilet. That's how you should use the toilet. What if Timmy wants to take a s*** outside? What if Timmy doesn't want to follow the conventional f****** rule? Society, Bill. What if Timmy's like, f*** the man?

Cristina: Well, he should at least understand where the man's coming from. But, like, before he decides.

Jack: But like, they're 100% like, no, everyone else does it, so you must do it. We do it, so you do it. And you're doing it just because we do it. You don't have to do it, but.

Cristina: You have to do it. All the education into a child is, though.

Jack: Yeah. Everybody else is doing this. You shut the f*** up. Don't think about it. Just do it. Yes, this is what it is.

Cristina: That's crazy. Okay. We're just. We're pretty much made like that.

Jack: Yeah. Anyways. Anyways. Science and religion are the same s***. Is the summary here. And you can not use either to prove that. We're not going to hurt you.

Cristina: We're not going to. We're not going to hurt you. What are you talking about?

Jack: To make them get listeners.

Cristina: Oh, okay. We never do that.

Jack: Fair enough. Fair enough. We might be all talk.

Cristina: Yeah, we're all talk.

Jack: All threats. All threats. Maybe I'm making promises and maybe nobody has broken their side of the deal. Do you want to be the first? Do you want to be the first?

Cristina: Okay, that sounds like a threat.

Jack: Fair. It went from a warning to a promise to a threat.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Let's go. I'm on a roll. Anyways, if you guys like these conversations where we bash religion and science because they're equally stupid. Also, the Earth is definitely round and flat. Actually, I found the answer to that. What was it? It's a tycohe. A tegohedron. It's a little bit flat and a little bit round. It's the answer that pleases everybody.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So if you guys are confused about which one it is, find the middle ground, which is what I always say. Maybe the Earth is neither flat nor round. Maybe it's a little bit flat in a round kind of way.

Cristina: It's an eyeball.

Jack: There's a galaxy. That's an eyeball.

Cristina: That's cool. That's pretty cool.

Jack: Actually. I think it's a nebula.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: I don't know. There's weird s*** out there. Yes, it's probably an eyeball. Dude, all jokes, design. Anyways, you can find all that s*** on. You find all of it. All our stuff, all our things at. Actually, before that, there's. There's a bunch of episodes like this, by the way, a crap ton.

Cristina: We have one comparing science and religion with magic or one or the other with magic. I'm not sure. I think science with magic.

Jack: Science with magic. Interesting.

Cristina: I'm not sure if religion was in that.

Jack: There's a couple of us just talking about how f****** pedophilic religion is. A couple of that. That's all over the place. You stroll by accident, you'll land in that topic. It comes up too often. And anyways, you can find that stuff on the official website greatthoughts.info or on Apple podcasts, Spotify and anywhere you get your podcast.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, instagram and TikTok. Usconvopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe because why the f*** not leave us a just hit? Subscribe people, and you'll enjoy the show. And you can also rate it. That's great. Leave ratings. That helps people, and specifically us, and leave a review telling us, you guys are so cool. You guys are so awesome. You guys are the coolest.

Cristina: And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes, Word of mouth, totally awesome. Very important. It's. It's very important that you just share your kindness with everybody and tell them, look, today we're gonna learn about the comparison of religion and science and I guess theology and science. I keep mixing them up. Changeable to some degree. The problem is that science is also religion. So if I say religion, I mean theology and science.

Cristina: Okay, Religion and religion.

Jack: Yeah, religion and religion. Religion, religion. You can about learn about religion, religion. And if you want to learn about religion, religion, you're here, man. Listen to the show. You can totally do that.

Cristina: And this has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening, but maybe they just want to stand out.

Jack: Although it's about respect. I remember on the NPR show that they mentioned. What the f*** was it called? It's an NPR show, kind of like Radiolab but for court stuff. And they mentioned that the reason that they were wearing the robes in the first place was to seem like real authority based people and really stand out. And it was all dark and serious looking.

Cristina: So people before they were actually taken seriously.

Jack: Yes, that's part of the reason they started being taken seriously. But like now we know you're the judge, we don't need you to wear that.

Cristina: But if they're not dressing that and then someone just comes in a suit and then sits on that chair, you don't know if that's the judge or.

Jack: Not or if that's just some. Every officer in that court knows who that is.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Elin Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

May 01, 2021

Rambling 127: Loki and Friends

May 01, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

What is Loki’s role in the apocalyptic Ragnarok? How do his children fit into the equation? What is the ultimate goal? Loki and his children unpacked on this episode.

Digging deeper into Loki and his history the duo uncover a winding roller-coaster of irrational activities and hijinks done by the trickster god Loki. The rabbit whole goes so deep that it reaches the other end at bestiality and cross-dressing. All that and more on this episode of Rambling.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

Shapeshifters
Giants
Ragnarok
Loki’s Children
The 9 Realms
Thor vs The World Serpent
Eating Contest for Gods
Loki’s Stand-Up Comedy
Bestiality
God Party
Greek Mythology
Norse Mythology
Loki’s Torture
Crossdressing Thor

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean? Welcome to Just Conversation, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

Cristina: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Jack: Yes. And also, this show is way more enjoyable with the listening partner. So be sure to grab somebody by their arm while they're riding the train without them knowing you. And you just grab them, Grab their hand. You touch their hand while they're just distracted holding on in the train or whatever. You know, you just touch your hand.

Cristina: You'Re like, hey, that's so discerning.

Jack: You stare at them. You stare at them like, hey, when they pull their hand back, you're like, I just want to listen to a podcast with you. And they will want to listen to. They're gonna be like, oh, yeah, that's different.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, that's different. Yeah.

Jack: Well, that's different. We can listen to a podcast and then they'll grab your hand.

Cristina: Really? They're gonna grab. They're gonna be holding hands?

Jack: Yes. And they're gonna share the headphones with a complete stranger. Yeah.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That's horrible. That's so horrible.

Jack: I don't know why it's horrible if the person doesn't want it, but once you explain it to listen to a podcast, I'll be like, okay, that's different. Grab.

Cristina: We live in a zombie apocalypse. That person can be a zombie.

Jack: Yeah, sure. It's totally fine.

Cristina: That's fine. I don't know. He might be carrying the disease. That's virus. Yes.

Jack: Is it a virus? We could call it a virus.

Cristina: It's a super virus. Is he gonna turn people into zombies? Eventually, man.

Jack: A strain is gonna do it. It's just evolving so rapidly.

Cristina: Yeah. So eventually we'll have zombies here.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. So last time you were here talking about nature and how people used to explain it with different myths, and one of them was very interesting, which was Loki's son being able to imprint on the planet with one foot, even though he has eight, but for some reason, one foot touched the ground and left a mark, and we thought that was really hilarious. Well, that wasn't hilarious. How he was born was really hilarious. Remember that story?

Jack: Yes. But it was kind of funny that he would imprint on the ground and then. Or not imprint, but he would leave a print on the ground and then Gods that would, in theory, ride this f****** horse, fit inside the hole that it's.

Cristina: Well, Loki can turn into different things. Why can't the gods? I guess, you know, they turn. They all turn into raccoons or something. I don't know. But Loki does have amazing powers. And yeah, he turned into a horse, a female horse. To have sex with a horse, to have a baby. Which was a giant eight legged horse.

Jack: Right. So because him becoming a horse and then f****** a horse doesn't equal horse baby because he's a God.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Him f******. Or I guess getting f***** by her. Because keep in mind he's not doing the f******. He doesn't like to f*** horses. He likes to get f***** by horses.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Big difference.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Mad.

Cristina: He's half God if you look at his DNA.

Jack: Half God.

Cristina: Yes. Or maybe people are unsure what his mother was. His dad was for sure a giant.

Jack: Right. Which isn't a God.

Cristina: Which isn't a God. And then his mom may or may not be a God. I think she may be a God because of how strange his babies are. And like the three.

Jack: The eight legged freak and his powers.

Cristina: And his powers.

Jack: Like what explains the powers if it ain't a God?

Cristina: Well, there is one story where a giant shape shifts into a falcon, which. And I don't think I've read a story about a God. Shapeshift thing. Yeah. So that might be a giant power. A power for the giants is shapeshifting.

Jack: Right. But that's not his only power.

Cristina: No, well, that's his only like main power. I don't know what his other powers are. He's cunning. They always say he's a cunning trickster. Like I don't know if that's a power, but.

Jack: Okay, that's weird. So he doesn't have like he's. There's no sign of him having other God like powers. I feel like he does like super strength. But that could be a giant thing.

Cristina: That could be a giant thing too. Like, how do you. Which side do you put it towards?

Jack: So what you're telling me is he would in theory just get smacked down by one of the gods of Asgard?

Cristina: Definitely.

Jack: Like way too easily. But he's basically like Batman to the other f****** Justice League members. Like he's too witty to be beat by just their muscles.

Cristina: The only reason I think his mom is probably a God is because he has a special pact with Odin. And I don't think Odin would have made any type of pact with a giant because their hate for giants is ridiculous.

Jack: They're racist.

Cristina: They're very racist. The gods hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate giants. So I don't. I can't imagine that Odin would be like, okay, we'll make this deal together, or whatever happened.

Jack: But Odin likes Loki.

Cristina: I wouldn't say he likes him.

Jack: He likes him more than other giants.

Cristina: He lets him in Asgard because he must be half. That's why I think he's also half giant. I mean, half God. Because only gods hang out in Asgard and he. They have huge problem with giants.

Jack: Except Valkyries hang out in Asgard.

Cristina: Valkyries might be a type of God, so.

Jack: Because I remember specifically on that episode we were debating whether that was the case.

Cristina: Yeah, I don't remember because I know there's also. There's two types of gods, actually. I didn't know there's like two God race.

Jack: There's God and demigods.

Cristina: I don't know where the other gods live, but they live on. They have their own realm because, you know, there's nine realms.

Jack: Yeah, something like that.

Cristina: And, and I think they've been in war and stuff, but I don't really know the backstory to any of that.

Jack: Gods with gods.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So, but kind of like gods with giants.

Cristina: Yeah, Gods and giants which then later.

Jack: Got turned into Greek mythologies.

Cristina: Titans versus the gods which came first, Greek or Norse?

Jack: Norse.

Cristina: Norse for sure.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. I don't know. That's true. But we don't even know all the stories of Norse because it was all written by Christians. So we have the. Whatever came out from that. We don't know what the original stories were, what they truly, truly, truly were believing in. These are just.

Jack: Who, the Norse.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, they stole from Hinduism.

Cristina: Oh, okay. But like the stories that they have now are the Christianized version. Sort of.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Because they went around writing everything for everyone else because they were the writers. They. Well, you know, they had written language, I guess the Christians and whatever.

Jack: Yeah, yeah.

Cristina: So Loki is probably half God anyway. Loki, I think is a God. Half God at least. Because his children are so strange. Like the eight legged horse. I think if he was just a giant, his children would be more normal. Well, maybe not the eight legged horse one. That's a bad example because he was with a horse. But with the other children he has, he had them with a giant or most of them. He did have some kids with a God. His wife is a God and they had, I think one or two sons. People aren't really sure and they seem normal, like normal people. So like, like gods like gods? Yeah, like gods. There was no weird descriptions about those children that he had with his wife.

Jack: The.

Cristina: But with the giant there was very weird children. Very weird. Which is. He has three children with his wife. Not with a wife, with the giant. He has three children with the giant, which are a wolf, a snake and a goddess. Her name is Hel, but she's not a normal goddess. If you look at her like, her description is, she's half alive and half dead. So there's something weird about her too, in appearance.

Jack: But she's not a giant.

Cristina: No, she's a goddess. But she happens to look very odd. And I think it's because. It's because of whatever. Loki is just being a God. Having sex with something that's not a God. Would it make something strange like that?

Jack: Yeah. I didn't think about this before, but I guess his banging of things equals the giant, because he's a giant. So if you banged the normal snake, his giantness made a giant snake as a result. It wasn't his godness, it was his giantness that made a giant snake.

Cristina: Yes, but he was having sex with the giant. So my other thing is that maybe he was also a giant snake while he was having sex with her.

Jack: The snake was giant.

Cristina: No, his child is giant.

Jack: Yes. But the snake he was having sex.

Cristina: With, he wasn't having sex with the snake. He was having sex with a giant.

Jack: And that led to a snake.

Cristina: Yes, which I'm saying.

Jack: He was a snake.

Cristina: He was a snake. Yes, that's what I'm thinking. Oh, s***. He's a shapeshifter.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: He has a wolf baby and a snake baby and they're both giants. But he could turn into animals.

Jack: But the time he be.

Cristina: He had a horse with a giant horse.

Jack: So he actually got f***** by a horse that time.

Cristina: Yes, that was giant. A giant horse. And he was a giant.

Jack: He's just into. He's like giant pansexual.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He loves whatever. Yeah. Or get f***** by.

Cristina: I mean, he still has babies with his goddess, but he doesn't love her or anything. Like, he's like. He gets bored of her and that's why he finds the giants who have.

Jack: And she's like half dead, isn't she?

Cristina: No, that's his child that's half dead. Oh. His wife is normal. She's completely normal. She's probably a very kind God. There's not much about her, but she's important in the. In Ragnarok.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Or not Ragnarok. In his binding before that happens.

Jack: Right. So Loki shape shifts and then flux. Giants.

Cristina: Yes. Well, one giant. Well, yes, two giants, so yeah, giants. Yes, he loves giants. Okay.

Jack: And he has three giants.

Cristina: Three giants.

Jack: Wolf, horse, snake.

Cristina: Yes. He had three giant babies, a giant wolf, a giant snake and a giant horse. Yes. And these three children though, that he has with the giant, are predicted to be part of the end of the world. Which is Ragnarok.

Jack: Which is prophesied.

Cristina: Yeah, which is prophesied. So then Odin takes them and separates them. I don't know why.

Jack: Because the prophecy is against Odin.

Cristina: Yes, I know that part. Why didn't he just murder them? His plan is very strange because for the wolf he can grow forever. So they keep trying to chain him up. They keep him in Asgard with the other gods to just keep chaining him up. And he keeps breaking out of it because he keeps growing. And eventually they do trick him into getting chained up by a magical chain made from a dwarf. He bites off a God's hand while they do that, though. That's pretty cool. I mean, maybe not cool like that God lives with one hand now. But I'm sure it could grow back.

Jack: Probably.

Cristina: I don't know. It's weird that he wouldn't grow it back, but I guess he doesn't feel like growing it back.

Jack: Maybe he can't. Maybe it's kind of like God standards of like, what is Superman in his home planet if not just another normal dude. Oh, so like to us they're gods.

Cristina: But like around each other they're like.

Jack: They're normal.

Cristina: Normal. That's why Oren only has one eye.

Jack: Like. Yeah. Compared to us they're gods.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But they still have like weaknesses and s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Around each other they're just people. It's comparatively. God.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah, so they're pretty normal. They get hurt and stuff because that guy gets his friggin hand ripped off. But then they do bond.

Jack: What's weird about Ragnarok is the fact that Odin is the reason it happens through his actions. Trying to stop it. That's sort of the loop there.

Cristina: He should have murdered these children.

Jack: No, it wouldn't work.

Cristina: It wouldn't work.

Jack: It wouldn't work. It would somehow feed into the plan.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I actually think the attempt at killing them is also part of the plan.

Cristina: He doesn't though. I think the only one, he's. I guess you could say he did. I'm not sure. Because when he throwed. Threw out the snake out of the world and it ends up on Earth, like, was he thinking that like throwing him out would kill the snake. Like, was that the only child he actually tried to kill? And it just survived its fall and then just kept growing?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Okay. But that's one of the things he did, was throw him there on the world. What's it's called?

Jack: Midgard.

Cristina: Midgard. Us. Our planet. I think that's a cooler name than Earth. Midgard. Yeah, I like that.

Jack: But an Asgard is cooler than heaven. Yeah, but it's just cuz we're used to hearing it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If we lived in Midgard, like Earth, that's cool.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But yeah. No, I believe that any step Odin takes, kind of fits into the plan one way or another.

Cristina: Yeah. He just doesn't understand how.

Jack: Doesn't understand how at all.

Cristina: That's why he's always fighting it. But it's gonna happen no matter what.

Jack: Oh, okay. Here's the problem. Here's the problem. We as people get told the story of Ragnarok and of Norse mythology. And how all that plays out after we have the full picture.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We have to think about it from before the entire story was written and happened. Which happens in the time that Odin sees into the future. That's why he doesn't have an eye. It was part of a trade or some s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And in seeing into the future, he saw the result. And he knew who would be involved, but he didn't know how. And ever since, every step he takes seems to feed into it. So he almost becomes like the perpetuator of his own demise, trying to stop it.

Cristina: Ragnarok hasn't happened yet. Just to let you know. It's not. It hasn't happened yet. We're still living pre Ragnarok. Because once it happens, everything is going to be destroyed. All the nine realms and all that stuff.

Jack: That's weird. I thought Ragnarok already happened.

Cristina: Nope. It's the future. It's. Yeah, it's the future. It's like in the end of Christian.

Jack: No, that makes sense. I thought the idea was that after Ragnarok happened, that's how we ended up with the world the way it is. Without gods interacting with us.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah, I thought that's. That's what happened. The result of Ragnarok was a bunch of gods were dead. And humans then got to flourish successfully without the oppression of the Asgardians.

Cristina: Oh, no, no. I don't know. No, because they're still collecting souls and stuff for their army.

Jack: We call that heaven now. No, no, that happened already.

Cristina: No, that's weird. That's happening right now. The Valkyries are coming here to collect souls for their army.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: It's still.

Jack: Okay, so.

Cristina: So Ragnarok hasn't happened yet.

Jack: So Ragnarok hasn't happened yet.

Cristina: Which is probably a Christian twist on the who. They love that type of apocalyptic ending. They did it for the Bible.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Has Jesus coming back and whatever.

Jack: So the question is, did Ragnarok originally happen already in Norse mythology? And then we inherited the earth, but Christianity got a hold of the texts, rewrote them, and when it re entered the remainder of Norse mythology as a reframing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It got pushed into the ending the way that the New Testament suggests the apocalypse would happen. Because they are the same thing. Ragnarok is Apocalypsis from the Bible.

Cristina: It's impossible to tell, I think because they didn't have their stories written down beforehand.

Jack: Created by the Christians to begin with.

Cristina: Yeah. So it's hard. So.

Jack: But Loki is the one perpetuating all of Ragnarok to some degree. He plays a million different roles that push this story forward.

Cristina: Ragnarok doesn't begin. I mean, Loki doesn't begin Ragnarok. The beginning of Ragnarok happens when the snake lets go of his tail.

Jack: Why would he do that?

Cristina: Why would he do that?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: I have no idea. He's ready to destroy the world because for some reason, once that happens, then all the other his siblings and Loki are free from where they're kept. They're somehow also able strong enough to get out of their traps or whatever. That's the beginning of Ragnarok when the snake lets go of his tail. And that's pretty cool. That's not pretty cool. That's whatever. Whatever. Yes.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: And the world serpent, he has a few stories in Norse mythology that they still have, which are always against Thor because they are mortal enemies, his son and himself. Thor is not his.

Jack: Oh, not Thor. Got you. Got you.

Cristina: Thor and the snake.

Jack: Because Thor and the snake.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. Because he's. They're destined to kill each other.

Jack: Which is part of Ragnarok.

Cristina: That's part of Ragnarok. Yes. Because the snake. Well, in Ragnarok, he's going to poison. Once he lets go of his toe. I guess he's like just hoarding a bunch of venom inside him. And then when he lets go, it all explodes out of him and poisons the sky and the ocean. Maybe that's why Ragnarok begins at that time.

Jack: Could be. Probably.

Cristina: And then the poison is what kills Thor. And after Thor kills him, he gets He. He still dies because of poison.

Jack: Thor.

Cristina: Thor. Yes.

Jack: Got you.

Cristina: Yeah, they. They know like who's gonna die. Like everything's already ran, so it's interesting. Like it's still gonna happen.

Jack: That's how prophecy works, I guess.

Cristina: Yes, yes. It's like time traveling in a weird way.

Jack: It was literally time traveling. He was looking forward in time to see exactly what was gonna happen.

Cristina: Yeah, you know, his. Everything that's happening, like, like whatever. Like if he wanted to know where you were, he could see you. That's kind of like God, I guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: He is the God. God.

Cristina: He is the God because Loki in one of the stories before he gets captured to be trapped forever. He turned into a fish trying to hide that way. But Odin saw him, so they caught him. There's a story where Thor and Loki are traveling through the giants world for some reason. I'm not sure where their aim is, but they end up meeting a giant who has a castle, I guess. And they're. They have a competition with the giant and the giant, I think. I don't know who starts the contest. I think Loki actually starts the contest after the giant makes fun of the gods saying like, oh, you guys aren't as great as you think you are. You're not as strong or you're not as whatever were much better. And so Loki starts off the competition saying he's the fastest eater and he competes with another giant on eating the most food and of course loses. It's such a weird competition. But yeah, they each like. And they have to be in the end of the table and reach the middle with all the food and the other like he was able to eat all of it, but there was still leftovers like bones and you know, things you wouldn't normally. But the giant ate everything off his side.

Jack: That's very weird.

Cristina: That's very weird. But the giant actually was cheating because these weren't really giants. I don't remember what this giant was, but there was a guy that was with him who decided to race a giant to see who's faster. And the giant kept winning. And it turned out he was Thoth itself.

Jack: Who, the giant?

Cristina: Yes, yes. He was running against Thaw, but he couldn't win because it's so.

Jack: It was the embodiment of thinking.

Cristina: Yes. I can't remember what Loki was against, but it was something ridiculous like that, of course. And then Thor had two. I remember only like two things he had to do. One was to drink from one of the giants cups or whatever and he Just. He couldn't drink it all. But the giant said that he was actually drinking their lake water. And he was worried that he was gonna drink it all because he was doing really well, even though he wasn't able to do it. And then the second thing that he had to do was to lift the cat. And the cat was actually the world snake disguised as a cat. So he couldn't do it, but he did a really good job. And the giant was still really impressed by him. But he, like Thor, I think, pretty much destroyed the place while he was doing all these things. So the giant was like, you better not return to here ever again. I'm impressed. But never come here again.

Jack: So the world snake could morph.

Cristina: I think the giants did that to the world snake. I don't think the world snake can magically turn into a cat.

Jack: Interesting. So they. The world snake agreed to this.

Cristina: I don't know. He was probably minding his own business, living his life, and then the giant plucked him out somehow.

Jack: Right. Because you can see the World snake from everywhere at all times.

Cristina: On Earth?

Jack: On Earth, yeah.

Cristina: Yes. But I'm guessing these stories are before he was that big because he kept growing and became that big. But these could be before he was that big.

Jack: Right. Which is an unexplained amount of time. It's long from one point to the other.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They are gods, and they live forever.

Cristina: Mm. There was another story with Thor and the World snake where Thor went fishing with an ox head and he caught the world snake and he hit him with his hammer, and they thought he killed the snake. But I'm assuming that was also another time where the snake wasn't big enough. Like, he wasn't his full size yet.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And he obviously didn't die because he's in the Ragnarok story. But he thought he killed him in that story.

Jack: Giants never stop growing, period. All of them.

Cristina: I don't know if all giants are like that, but I know Loki's children that are giants are like that.

Jack: Maybe it's a combination of a God. And Loki would be the combination of.

Cristina: A God and a giant.

Jack: And a giant, yes.

Cristina: That's why I think he has weird children. Besides the one that he has with his. With his wife, who is a God. They had a normal God children, as far as I can tell.

Jack: And that's weird.

Cristina: That's weird. Yes, that is weird. Loki also has a daughter named Hel, which is a pretty normal daughter. Besides that, she looks half dead and half alive, and she collects some of the Some of the dead people, the ones that are the wicked ones and the ones that die from sickness and old age, they're not good enough for the. For Odin, who collects half of them, and I don't. Okay, what do I know about her? Well, I don't know much about her, except that they. One of the gods do visit her later on in the story when Loki ends up killing a God. They come to her to revive that. That God, hoping that she would let him back to Asgard. And she says, like, it's fine as long as you can make all the. Everything cry. As long as everything will cry. For this God, which is Baldur, is the God that he killed with a mistletoe. I don't know if you heard of that story.

Jack: No. Baldur is one of Odin's sons, isn't he?

Cristina: I think so. But Loki kills him, sort of. He was jealous of. He was jealous of Boulder because all the gods would. I don't know. They had fun with him because he's. He's pretty much. He's pretty much immune to everything because his mother. After he had a bad dream about dying or like he was gonna have a really painful death, like he prophesies in his nightmares or whatever. His mom, Freya. Was it Freya or Frigg?

Jack: Freya.

Cristina: It's Frigg. There is a Freya, but in this story, it's Frigg.

Jack: Freya's Odin's wife.

Cristina: Freya is not Odin's wife. Frigg is Odin's wife.

Jack: Freya is Freya.

Cristina: It's another God. Freya is another God.

Jack: Freyja is a whole other God.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I thought Freya was Odin's wife.

Cristina: A lot of people confuse Freya and Frigg because Freya also has a God husband whose name is something similar to Odin, but it's not Odin. It's like Omud or something. I don't know. It starts with O, too, so they get confused, but they're not the same person. After Frigg finds out about Boulder's nightmares, she has all the living creatures promise to not hurt Boulder, except she forgot about the mistletoe. And Loki finds this out because it's. I don't know why she would be honest to anyone about this. It's like a really big deal. But he turns into an old lady and then asks her, hey, what's this guy's deal? He's immune to everything. And she's like, no, I forgot the mistletoe. It's so, like, so peaceful. It would never do anything it's innocent, Right? And, well, she was wrong. Well, I guess it was innocent. It's really. He got a blind God to throw the mistletoe at Boulder and then he died.

Jack: So it's like in making him immune to everything else, like a mistletoe becomes extra powerful.

Cristina: I guess. So he becomes allergic to the mistletoe. I guess that mistletoe really hated him, actually. Or maybe he turned the mistletoe. I'm thinking of the game is. What was it? It was arrow. Well, I don't know if the game is accurate, but it could have been on an arrow, the mistletoe. And then with the mistletoe in shot at him with the arrow that was poisoned with mistletoe. I guess it killed him. So he becomes allergic to mistletoe. It doesn't matter what the weapon is.

Jack: Because, like, yeah, it's literally kryptonite. It turned the mistletoe into kryptonite.

Cristina: Or maybe the mistletoe. Yeah, like I'm trying to understand. Like, it's very strange. The mistletoe didn't kill him. I would think the arrow killed him. But the mistletoe made. Weakened him. Yes. Weakened that spot. And then. So the arrow could actually hurt him.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And then he passed away. Yes. And yes. And then the gods were pretty upset by Loki, but for some reason they weren't. That's not when they trapped him. That's not when they punished him. Right after that, he was a little. He just. He just goes out of control after that moment, I guess. But. And oh, back to his daughter Hel. They do ask. She says, okay, so if everyone cries for him, then it'll be fine. So they do. The gods do go around and asking everything, even the rock, even water. Like, everything has to cry for him. And everything does. Except for one giant. One old giant lady. She says no. She's like, I don't love him. I'm not going to cry for him. So he stays dead. And people think that that's probably. That was probably Loki in disguise.

Jack: Interesting. Yeah. Because Loki has this habit of being an old lady.

Cristina: Being an old lady. Oh, yeah. He was an old lady. Yeah. But an old giant lady this time. He turns into weird things, though. He's the most. He has the most fun with shapeshifting. I don't know if the other gods can shapeshift. I feel like they don't because none of them do it. But Loki sure does.

Jack: Maybe it is the power of giants.

Cristina: It could be. Could it be? There's not much said about h*** I think. But I do remember that, well, she doesn't have a key role in Ragnarok. Sort of like, they don't know if she's going to battle with the gods or the giants in the final battle. But she does end up escaping, like her brothers and Loki, out of their traps. She also gets out of her trap, which is their h*** version of whatever she's living in. She.

Jack: And that's a Helheim, right?

Cristina: Helheim, yeah. And it's her. All the dead people, the monsters. There's also monsters trapped in there, too. And the giants all go on a boat made out of dead finger nails. Dead fingers and dead nails. And that's the boat that Loki rides into. What's the place called? Asgard. To fight them, actually. I don't know if they end up there, but whatever. He rides there and then they fight. But that's his battleship. It's made out of fingers and toenails, and it's carrying all the dead and monsters that were in h***. But I don't know if she's on that boat, actually. I just know she left, and all the things that were with her end up on that boat with him.

Jack: So chances are, she was there, too.

Cristina: Yeah, there's chances, yeah. But, like. But there's no. Like, there's no description of her. No stories of her fighting or, like, what happens to her afterwards. Because, you know from these other stories that we know how they die, which I forgot to mention. How the wolf dies. Well, not dies, but his point in Ragnarok. Because Ragnarok is so awesome. Yes. He's the one that kills Odin.

Jack: The wolf.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The wolf kills Odin.

Cristina: Yes. And then Odin's son cuts off the wolf's paws. So I'm guessing he still lives. He just has no paws now.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. So, as Odin and Loki are equal but opposite, their children are destined to fight each other.

Cristina: Yes. Well, Odin's fighting Loki's children, child. I don't know who Loki's fighting. He's fighting a God, but I don't know if he's related to Odin, but maybe.

Jack: So they don't fight each other, but their children fight each other, which is Thor and the world snake.

Cristina: Thor and the world serpent.

Jack: Thor and the world serpent fight each other.

Cristina: Yes. And Odin and the wolf.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Vanir, I think, is his name. Vanir?

Jack: That's cool.

Cristina: That's cool.

Jack: Yeah, Vanir.

Cristina: Vanir. Yeah. Vanir. And Hel. Come on. I mean, Hel, I guess, doesn't sound as cool. No, Helheim sounds Cool, though.

Jack: Helheim sounds out. Yeah, it sounds like somebody's name.

Cristina: Yeah. And Helheim is in Niflihem. Niflim. Niflam.

Jack: Niff.

Cristina: Do you know that place? I think that's where the frozen giants are at.

Jack: No idea.

Cristina: Well, the frozen giants, I think is also on board with the giants and all that stuff.

Jack: Yes, Frost giants.

Cristina: Frost giants, yes. Yes. The first story you talked about was pretty funny. And there are other stories that are as funny as that story. And I want to talk about those stories. Which is. The first one is. I'll call it the Tug of War. I don't know if it's actually called that. Maybe it's called that. I don't know. And it starts off as a normal story of Loki just getting in trouble. He somehow a giant catches him and he's like, imma kill you unless you bring me a goddess here to be with or whatever. And so Loki does that. He does that. And then the other gods find out and they're like, you better get her or we're going to kill you. So he turns into a. So he turns into a falcon and carries her back to Asgard. And while he's doing that, the giant turns into a eagle. And when he gets close to him to towards Asgard, they burn it up and he dies in the fire like a firewall or something. And then his daughter comes there to get some type of payment for losing her father. And one of the things that she demands is for the gods to make her laugh. So Loki decides that he's got this. Which I guess he does have this because he.

Jack: He's practiced stand up comedy his whole life. And now his moment to shine has arrived.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Loki's like, take a seat. The lights go down, spotlight on Loki. And he's like, all right. Knock, knock.

Cristina: I wish. No, actually this way. The way what really happened is. Well, you'll see. And you'll tell me if maybe he should have just told the joke. Actually he might for his own sake should have probably just tried to tell a joke. But he's into weird things. We gotta remember he's into weird things. Alright.

Jack: Yeah, he's an eccentric.

Cristina: Yes. Okay, so what he does is he gets a goat with a long beard and he ties his balls to that goat's beard. And then while that goat tries to run away one way, he pulls the other way. And as painful as that is, it makes the giant laugh.

Jack: Fair enough. Look, Jackass was successful.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And who.

Cristina: The original jackass.

Jack: Occam's razor Says everything is normal and that's the most likely outcome. Whatever's most likely likely is probably what's going on. And as above, so below.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we like stupid s***.

Cristina: Why wouldn't giants.

Jack: Why wouldn't giants love stupid s***? God love stupid s*** too.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Thor is well known to be a troll.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like he trolls really hard. Odin trolls all the time. They think of him as serious. But then you look at some stupid f****** Odin stories and he's a troll too. They're all just bored half the time. Doing things for fun.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so Loki, the most open minded, less rule follow Y1. Of course he's gonna do the craziest s***.

Cristina: So crazy.

Jack: You know he jackasses with it. Yes. But also it hurt Steve O. And he never stopped. I guess he stopped drugs and just turned his self abuse into more comedy.

Cristina: Yes. I wonder if any of them have tried this trick though.

Jack: Maybe.

Cristina: Maybe. Oh my gosh. Go look it up after the show. Yeah. So what do you think? That story funnier, less funny? I feel like it's probably lots of people's favorite, but I think the horse one is my favorite.

Jack: I think whether between doing stand up, a short stand up routine and this one act visually in person, this is more appealing. That wins over stand up. Now to tell the story repeatedly. Stand up would have been better. But he wasn't thinking like how is this story going to be told for the rest of eternity? He was thinking like, how do I get her to laugh? Yeah, he's absurd. So he did something absurd story wise. I also think that's kind of interesting.

Cristina: You think the nuts.

Jack: Yeah, it's also like. I mean the horse one is pretty crazy, but he also f***** a snake.

Cristina: He did not f*** snake. A giant skin a snake while f******.

Jack: That's weird. I guess it is the weirdest that he turned into a horse to get f***** by a horse. Not even to f*** a horse.

Cristina: Exactly. That's weirder.

Jack: But then the question is, is that weirder than turning into a snake so that a giant f**** you? He's a snake. He doesn't have a p****.

Cristina: But it somehow worked. Maybe he was a snake with a p****.

Jack: Do snakes have penises? Whatever. He's. He's either. He's probably just getting f***** by a giant.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess none of that's weird. He's into things and that's normal.

Jack: Apparently for them. I guess we don't have to understand the gods.

Cristina: No, he's just. He cheated on his wife. That's so wrong.

Jack: Did he does she think it's cheating?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Or she just like, whatever you f*** stuff?

Cristina: Yeah, maybe. Maybe because she does. She's there in the end, before Ragnarok. She's with him right now as he's trapped.

Jack: Is there. So we don't know when Ragnarok is.

Cristina: When the snake lets go of his h***. That's all we know.

Jack: Right? Do we know when that's gonna happen?

Cristina: No idea. No. Or. I don't know for sure. I do not know.

Jack: I mean, I don't either.

Cristina: Yes. So the boulder thing doesn't get him in trouble, but soon after, the gods are having a party. Well, maybe not a party. Maybe it's to mourn for Baldr. I'm not sure. And they don't invite him to it. But then he gets angry and he's like, odin, what about that oath we have or whatever, that we're like, maybe they're siblings or whatever, or have a blood tie. That's from that story that people got the idea that he. That he and Odin, that there's some kind of special connection between the two. And so they let him in. And then he just starts insulting everyone, every single God. And I think that's really what ruined everything. But the last person he insults is Thor's wife. And he kind of hints that they had an affair. So I thought that was interesting. But she was like. Instead of, like, being angry or anything, she changes the subject. So there might have been an affair.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. So there is now. Thor's wife is not supposed to bang everything.

Cristina: No. But Thor cheated on her, too. He wasn't very faithful, so.

Jack: Which means fair game.

Cristina: Yeah. So it might have been a revenge thing with Loki.

Jack: D***. But look, the f*** is like uncle or some s***. Whatever the f*** Loki is to him, his dad's archenemy.

Cristina: His dad's.

Jack: I mean, I guess they're not related.

Cristina: His dad, that he has a pact with. Not with Thor, so. But in that party, though, we find out that the thing he really fears Loki is Thor. Thor doesn't fear any of the gods. He fears Thor. Thor gets angry and kicks him out of the party. And he leaves. He's like, I'm. I'm only leaving because Thor.

Jack: Why does he fear Thor?

Cristina: He kills, like, nothing. He has a hammer that just, I don't know, RIP S***. Yeah. And he does. He does all the time.

Jack: Yeah. Thor is in the movies of, like, you know, Marvel Cinematic Universe or whatever. F***. Is conveyed as a good guy. But in his stories, he's really Neutral. Like really neutral. Like he could just do good or bad at any given moment for no reason.

Cristina: He's only, I think, like, seen as.

Jack: A God because, like, the son of Odin. That's it.

Cristina: Yes. But because the Norse see strength as the good, probably. Like, that's what good is.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Bad is being a coward. Good is being strong or whatever.

Jack: You know, the entirety of Norse mythology. Minus. I believe two gods are considered neutral or bad. That's it.

Cristina: That's it.

Jack: That's it. There's two gods. I don't remember. One of them is supposed to be what became a Jesus, and then the other one is what became Samson. And those are the only two beings that even in Greek mythology. Because also the Greek gods are considered neutral. Minus. Two beings that came from Norse mythology, and they are considered to be the only beings in all of the, you know, transcendent universe that are good. Everything else is neutral. All the gods are neutral.

Cristina: All right. But Loki's wife doesn't sound like a bad person.

Jack: Neutral.

Cristina: Oh, I guess she's neutral. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. They're either neutral or bad.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Like, Odin isn't bad, although he does crooked s*** all the time. But so does Thor.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're not actively doing malicious things, though.

Cristina: Like they didn't murder Loki's children, even though they were predicted to bring the end of days.

Jack: Loki is also, ironically, not considered bad.

Cristina: He's considered neutral. He helped them out quite a few times. Yeah. Sometimes he did start things.

Jack: He swings just like the rest of them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Between neutral and bad.

Cristina: Yeah. It's whatever he feels like it.

Jack: Exactly. All the gods. Most of the gods are like that.

Cristina: Yeah. Except when he killed that one God. That's pushing the line.

Jack: A couple of gods that are considered bad, though.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yes, there's a couple of gods. Not many.

Cristina: Most are neutral in Norse mythology. Yes.

Jack: And Greek mythology. Although in Christianity, they are all good all the time. Everything except for the devil. Lucifer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which. Yeah, it's really black and white. There's no neutral. It's either you're the good guys or you the bad guys.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: While all the other things kind of blurred the lines there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But there's a couple of gods, and I believe Boulder was one of them. I believe Boulder's immunity also made him hustle.

Cristina: I don't know. From what I remember checking out. No, from what I know, he was loving and. Or all the gods loved him and all the things loved him. That's why they all promised not to hurt him.

Jack: The gods don't care.

Cristina: But the things. Everything from all nine worlds.

Jack: Oh, really?

Cristina: Yes. They were the ones that cried for him as well when he died. It wasn't just the gods. It was everything. Everything. The rocks.

Jack: Interesting. So he's not the only God who is immortal then. Not in that fashion, where he's like, not human to his own gods. Because there was a God. I don't know where the f*** I heard the story, but there was a God who. His lack of being like the other gods is what made him hostile in the first place.

Cristina: That sounds like Loki, because he is kind of hostile, I guess.

Jack: And he isn't like the other gods.

Cristina: He isn't like the other s***, maybe it could have been exactly like Loki.

Jack: Could be. Could be.

Cristina: And that's why after that party, he runs away. Because he knows, like, he went too far. And they catch him. And now he's is tied up, I think, in somewhere on earth. He's tied up somewhere on Earth? Loki? Yeah. In a cave. In a dark cave somewhere. And his wife is with him. They have him tied up with her children. They took out their intestines and wrapped it around him. I don't know why her children had to die. Understand his being part of Ragnarok. But her children are innocent. They had nothing to do with Ragnarok. But I guess they're the only thing strong enough to hold Loki down because they tied it around him.

Jack: Loki's wife's children?

Cristina: Yes, their children. It's still Loki's children. But those children were not meant for the end of the world. But they. So they killed them and put the intestines around him. So he's tied up with that. And then there's a snake above his head that's dripping poison on him to keep him weak as punishment. It's just a torture. It's just torturing him for all the crap that he's done.

Jack: Like a Japanese water torture.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess.

Jack: Make a little drop of water, hit his forehead for days.

Cristina: Yeah. So his wife is there, though, to hold a bucket over his head to collect as much of that poison away from him. And then every time it fills up, she takes it away to let out the poison. And that's when he does get hit with poison. And then that story explains why there's.

Jack: Earthquakes when he's getting hit by the drops.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Freaks out and the earth shakes.

Cristina: Yep, got it. So that actually fits into the last episode. I didn't know about that story, but now I do. And it's really. There is one more story that I think is Funny. Ish. Or I. I'm assuming it was funny back then. It could be still funny now. I'll tell you anyway and see if you think it's funny. But I don't think it compares to the other two stories I just told you, which is that in this story, he and Thor have to cross dress because there's a giant who has Thor's hammer. Somehow, Thor lost his hammer and a giant got a hold of it and.

Jack: And to get it back, you cross dress.

Cristina: Yes, because the. The giant wants Fria and he'll give them the hammer. So they decide to dress Thor up as Fria. He's not happy about that, but he has to, because it somehow works in the plan that he has to do this.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: And then Loki, for some reason, part of this plan. I think this is his plan.

Jack: Loki's an idiot. He could have just become Freya.

Cristina: He could have, but I think what he wanted to do was dress up as a May lady, so that's what he did. He. He also cross dressed. He could totally use his transforming powers. But no, he was like, I want to dress up like a lady as a man. So they do that. And as Thor is getting married to the giant, the giant calls the hammer, because then the union is made and they're. They're married once the hammer joins, for some reason. I don't know how that's part of the ceremony, but that's part of this ceremony, and it lands on Thor's lap, and then Thor murders the giant, and then he murders all the other giants, and then they go back home. Hilarious story.

Jack: Super funny. Yep. Seems legit. It seems like something Thor would do. He just murders.

Cristina: He just murders. He really does.

Jack: Yeah, he doesn't really need to.

Cristina: But the cross dressing is supposed to be the funny part of the story, so.

Jack: What a solution.

Cristina: Yeah, it is kind of funny because Loki can totally just like, turn into Freya.

Jack: Yeah. It was just a real pointless mission they went on.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, he could have legitimately become Freya.

Cristina: Yes. And just had Thor with him. Because he still needs to grab the hammer.

Jack: Yes. It makes total sense that Freya would show up. In fact, it looks like Thor brought Freya.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In literal exchange for his hammer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But no, Loki was like, better idea.

Cristina: Better idea.

Jack: We both cross dress.

Cristina: So ridiculous. Like, before the actual wedding, there was, like, a bunch of things that Thor was doing that was obviously something wrong with Fria. Like the giant, like.

Jack: Like sketchy s***.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, he ate too much and he drank too much, and the giant Was like, this is very strange.

Jack: I would love the Norse mythology sitcom where hijinks happen all the time. And then this episode, one of the best episodes. Because he's at the party, he's drinking more than he should, and, you know, they notice. Oh, man, your wife's got, like, a real thick mustache today.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, all those corny, funny hijinks.

Cristina: Yes, it's exactly like that, though. It's like that wolf story of, like, the Little Red Riding Hood with the wolf. And he's like, why did you use your eyes that big? Or why are your hands that big? And.

Jack: Yeah, that should totally.

Cristina: Giant is doing that with Thor is like, hey, why is his eyes so dark and scary? And Loki's like, oh, it's because he. He's so in love with. She's so in love with you. Like, Loki was coming up with the excuses of why Thor was obviously not. Obviously not a lady.

Jack: I guess it's like, this giant has to be a little blind, too, to not be like, that's clearly Thor in a dress or some s***.

Cristina: I know.

Jack: But, like, great. He could, man. Loki genius.

Cristina: Yes, she is a genius.

Jack: Anyways, we are out of time here. That's definitely.

Cristina: So which is your favorite of the three stories?

Jack: I think the horse f******. It's crazy because you have to become a female horse to get laid by a horse and then be pregnant and then ride that pregnancy out.

Cristina: He could have definitely. Well, I guess that's the only option.

Jack: The funniest part is riding the pregnancy out. Yes, that's the funniest part. It's not the banging a horse. He banged a bunch of s***. No, whatever he likes to take, he likes to be the receiving end sometimes.

Cristina: And he actually held a horse in him for however long it takes. A horse. Magic horse.

Jack: Could have been millions of years by our standard. Yeah, we don't know how time works over there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He could have just been pregnant for infinities, living a life as a wife to a horse.

Cristina: To a horse. Yeah.

Jack: To giant horse for infinities.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: And then had Horace baby.

Cristina: There was some sort of mutant somehow just okay with all this. I don't know. I'm thinking that that whole bucket thing is a little revenge of her own, because she gets to watch him suffer still.

Jack: She gets to be there.

Cristina: Yeah. When she takes out the bucket, like, she could eventually now, like, come up with some other thing to cover his head so he doesn't get hit in the head. But she's like, nah, this is the best moment. She feels so good.

Jack: It's so unbelievable.

Cristina: She just waits for that bucket to get filled and she's like, oh, I can'.

Jack: So easy to just build a little scoop that grabs it and it drips across.

Cristina: Like, it's so easy somewhere else. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: Just divert the flow.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Super simple.

Cristina: But she's like, no, Yeah, I want to see this.

Jack: Well, I mean, they're kinky. They're probably into it. She's all excited about it. He's probably into it, too. You know, they don't give a. Oh, my God. Maybe their bonding time.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: Fascinating. Thor's weird. Loki's weird. Odin's weird. Norse mythology in general is weird. Religion is weird.

Cristina: Religion is weird.

Jack: Yeah, it is what it is.

Cristina: That was a great episode, though. Yeah.

Jack: Fascinating. I like. I love knowing about. I like Norse mythology and Greek mythology more than I like Christianity. I guess Christianity is just outplayed.

Cristina: It's just boring to you.

Jack: It is. It's so boring. While Greek and Norse mythology are, like, weird and eccentric, you know, they're really exciting. I think I've heard too much Christianity in my life.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But, like, also, I'm not that interested in Hinduism either. I think there's just something really interesting about Greek and Norse mythology and the.

Cristina: Way those cats behave and all that.

Jack: Yeah, it's really different. Yeah, it's very exotic and different from other religions. It's like a bunch of chaos happening. Just random s*** happening all the time. But, yeah, definitely find that interesting. But if you guys enjoyed this, this episode, this discussion, you can find other things of this nature. You can find the previous part of this when we're talking about when we stumbled upon Loki, talking about, you know, nature and whatnot. Yeah, you can find that last episode, but you can also find in a bunch of other episodes, random crap that we touch about gods and religions, myths.

Cristina: And myths and crap and all that stuff.

Jack: Yeah, all of the above. You can find all that stuff on the official website. Great thoughts.info or on Apple podcasts, Spotify, or anywhere you get podcasts.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok at just combo podcast.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe and Reiter and reveal the show if you feel so inclined.

Cristina: And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes, word of mouth matters. As I always tell you at the beginning and at the end of the show, if you find somebody and you kindly ask them to listen to a podcast, you give them all the space they need. You. You, you know, you don't Want to invade personal space.

Cristina: That's disrespectful. Six feet of space in the zone. Yeah.

Jack: You need a social distance. And when you. Social distance and you tell somebody, hey, I know it's lonely these days, alone all the time. Can't interact too much. Well, I can. I can show you podcasts that you feel like you're in the room with these people hanging out safely and tell them about this podcast and they'll love it. And they'll be like, thank you for respecting my personal space and I appreciate you introducing me to this show.

Cristina: Of course.

Jack: Well, where I'll learn about Norse mythology.

Cristina: Yes, you will, I think at least learn about Loki. Learn about Loki and his children. And his children. Yeah. He learned about a few things, definitely. And this show has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. But now when you think about the message prior to this.

Cristina: What?

Jack: It kind of makes sense in a political kind of way.

Cristina: In a political type. What?

Jack: Yes. Because he's saying that they're kind of living in a veil of ignorance to some degree. We have hang ups. We're tightly wound and whatever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we don't want to let ourselves know more than we do. Where the f*** does he say that?

Cristina: He does not say that.

Jack: Left ear, hard to see the hang ups we have today. The hang ups are somewhere in there. But they don't really realize, though.

Cristina: Oh, no. They don't realize though that he's great. No. The next thing.

Jack: Lift your. Lift your left your lift yourself. Lift your. Lift your. Lift your lift your. Hard to see the hang ups we have today. But they don't realize this next verse. This next verse though, these bars. So the next verse has nothing to do. But they don't realize. They don't really realize. They don't really realize is them sort of. They don't understand. And then he says before that. That. Lift yourself upon your feet. Let's get it on. So, okay, we're beaten down.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we can get up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We don't need anybody to extend the hand to get us up.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He's. He argues against that, against the whole welfare system, against the whole. This is just very Kanye of him.

Cristina: Okay. Do it yourself.

Jack: He's saying you could pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

Cristina: Okay. Yes.

Jack: And then he says the state of mind you're in. I'll sing you some bars about that. And then he jumps into poopa. He's just saying you're full of s***. Everything you've got is excuses.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Your whole state of mind. Let me summarize it in these woke a** bars.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Poop.

Cristina: Yes, poop.

Jack: Yeah. He's saying you're full of s***. All of you are full of s***. That's a woke a** song. You just did it like a troll.

Cristina: Be any of the s***, no less. It's to your face.

Jack: It's actually poopa de whoop, not poop that you scoop.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: So, yeah, pretty woke s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I give him points as fire.

Cristina: About poop. About poop. Yeah. Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

March 13, 2021

Rambling 122: Leprechauns and Other Fairies

March 13, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

What creatures remained in Ireland after St. Patrick was done with it? And why did they stick around? Dissecting the concept of fairies on this episode!

Story:
The Duo dive into leprechauns and fairies in general in order to understand the true complex nature of what the aftermath of the St. Patrick Massacre was. A desolate, monster infested wasteland is the least of the problem for the people of Ireland. It gets worse when spirits are introduced!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

St. Patrick Demon Hunter
Jehovah the Demi-God
Sprites
Peter Dinklage
Navi
Tricksters
Giant Rat Fairy
Banshee
Succubus
Jeepers Creepers

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Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean? Welcome to Just Conversation, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideals in childish ways. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

Cristina: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get get notified the second new episodes are released.

Jack: Yes, and also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner, so be sure to find somebody to make your listening partner, regardless of who they are, regardless of where they're from, regardless of. Even if you saw them on the street, casually, as they were walking, you point at them and you tell them, hey, you're my listening partner.

Cristina: And what if they walk away?

Jack: Well, then you resort to other means of getting that person who you've chosen and thus must be the one.

Cristina: They must be the one.

Jack: You chose them now. They are the one. They are the one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. That's how it goes. So the world works?

Cristina: You just make them the one?

Jack: You make them the one.

Cristina: Is it like love at first sight?

Jack: Yeah. You force them to be the one.

Cristina: The one.

Jack: The one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's your listening partner.

Cristina: That's not creepy.

Jack: No, no, it's very normal. People do it all the time.

Cristina: Mm. Guess what holidays coming up.

Jack: What holiday?

Cristina: St. Patrick's Day. Our favorite saint.

Jack: Yes, that's the OG saint. The saint that gets. He. Basically, he's God. He's the only guy God is scared of.

Cristina: He's a God. He's a guy God is scared of. What?

Jack: Yeah. God makes God do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, however he wants, simply because he wants.

Cristina: Yeah, well, God, I guess, isn't the only person afraid of St. Patrick.

Jack: I mean, he makes God scared. I'm sure just by, you know, process of elimination, everybody else should be scared.

Cristina: Yes. And everyone was scared. That's why I found the story, a different story of that he. Of him getting rid of snakes. But it wasn't just snakes that he got rid of. It was snakes and demons.

Jack: Snakes and demons?

Cristina: Yes. And there was this specific demon that didn't want to run away. When he told all the snakes and demons to leave and then they ran, what happened was he told them to leave, I guess. And so they drowned into the ocean. They listened and drowned and died.

Jack: Sweet, but what the f***?

Cristina: Yes. That's how he got rid of them. By murdering them with his words.

Jack: Sounds legit.

Cristina: Yes. And there's this specific one that can't pronounce her name, but in English, we could call her the fire Spitter.

Jack: The fire spitter?

Cristina: Yes. And she's either the devil's mom or all demons. Mom. Mom. Yes. There's two different ideas of what she was besides the fire spitter. That's what I found. It's unsure, right?

Jack: Kind of like vampire hunter D or something.

Cristina: Yes. So she might be the devil's mom. But anyway, when he was getting rid of all the snakes and demons from the island, she decided to hide.

Jack: So she survived for a little while. And she let all her children die.

Cristina: Definitely because she's too busy trying to stay alive.

Jack: It's like, f*** this. Every. Every man for themselves.

Cristina: Yes. So, like, he went on top of a mountain, and he told them to go into the sea and drown, and they did. And then she somehow. I don't know how she managed to escape, but maybe she, like, closed her ears when she saw him on the mountain. Like something bad is about to happen.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And it did. But he saw her before she could completely hide herself, and he chased her down with the fastest horse Ireland had at the time.

Jack: Faster than de Demons.

Cristina: Yeah, actually faster than demons because he did outrun her while she was running. She was too busy, though, throwing Spitfire into every water. Well, because she thought, oh, this is gonna take forever, and eventually he'll get thirsty and drink water. But he was smart and was like, I'm not going to drink this poisoned water. So he didn't drink the poisoned water, and he just kept going. And then he passed her, of course.

Jack: You mean caught up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It wasn't raised. He wasn't like, well, I passed you. You're behind me.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. And then he waited for her. And then when she came, I mean, and then when he saw her, he jumped. He jumped out of his hiding spot and banished her. And then she also drowned into the ocean.

Jack: Sweet. Okay, so everybody died.

Cristina: Yeah, everyone died, but she was the last to die.

Jack: So he's just killer of demons, forcing creatures to commit suicide left and right and sell God. So he controls gods, angels, demons, everything. He's just some sort of overpowered deity that we don't even label a deity. But he's like. He's beyond the demigod.

Cristina: He's. He is the God.

Jack: Like, we have to assume Jehovah is a demigod based on the traits we understand. Jehovah, he's. He has emotions. Yeah, an omniscient God can't have emotions. That. That wouldn't make sense. Right, And God can get jealous, angry, all these things. God needs you to worship. Him. Because he's not. He tells you specifically, worship me. No. Other gods is like, okay, so there's others like you. You're not omniscient. You're not every God all at the same time. You're one of them. Yes, but it seems like the real omniscient God is Saint Patrick. What he had a horse, is faster than demons. He could just will that to happen.

Cristina: Well, they gave it to him.

Jack: Who?

Cristina: I don't. The Ireland people. Yeah.

Jack: It was just a normal. That means it was just a normal horse. They gave him a normal horse.

Cristina: Was the fastest horse.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like here.

Jack: But to them, fast is different than to him. And he got a horse and it was probably, you know, normal fast.

Cristina: It was like a winner of normal horse races.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. But then he got on the horse.

Cristina: He powered that horse, became the fastest horse.

Jack: Knight Rider type of s***. He got on the horse, the horse flamed. It burst into flames, and it was just leaving a trail of fire.

Cristina: It died that day.

Jack: As soon as he got off it, it just became normal. And it was on fire. Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah, it died.

Jack: But he doesn't care. He kills everything.

Cristina: He kills everything. Well, if you.

Jack: That's why God is like, I'll do whatever you want. Just don't kill me.

Cristina: Because God is just an angel, a demon deity.

Jack: He's a demigod.

Cristina: Okay. So complicated. But what's even more complicated is I tried to find out what a fairy was, right. Because of St. Patrick's Day in Ireland. And they're known for fairies, right?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And I'm so confused. I'm so confused. Fairies are so many things, but what they originally were, they were seen as deities. Gods. They were gods.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: But then over time, because Christianity came to the island, they were demoted to stay around so that they wouldn't have to actually get rid of them. Because I guess the Christians actually like these stories, and they're like, wow, they're pretty interesting. But what if they were just creatures, magical creatures instead of gods? Because there can only be one God. So I don't know. Is God stronger than their God if he could turn them into magical creatures?

Jack: It was St. Patrick that did it.

Cristina: It was St. Patrick. Oh, yes. Okay.

Jack: The pioneer. The guy who brought Christianity to Ireland. St Patrick then decided, yeah, I'm a strip you guys of your exaggerated godlike powers. I don't want you to be gods anymore. Now. Now you're just f******. You're gonna be there like the humans. You can be just a different f****** creature.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then he did that, well, these.

Cristina: Guys were, I guess weren't that powerful anyway because they were the original people living on Ireland.

Jack: So you're telling me Ireland is Olympus?

Cristina: Is Olympus. Once upon a time, maybe like they were able to travel from the other world into Ireland and they loved it so much that they lived there. But then other people wanted Ireland for themselves. They've had many wars trying to defend their home, but they finally lost to St. Patrick. To the Irish people or to the ancestors of the Irish people, one led by St Patrick. Yes, he's a time travel as well. Time traveler as well.

Jack: Are we just to say that St. Patrick's is the real Kratos?

Cristina: Yes, the Kratos, Yes.

Jack: Yeah, he was just the mortal once upon a time. But eventually he killed a God, got all God's powers and used that to manipulate the rest of everything. St. Patrick, the real God of war.

Cristina: Well, from what I understand, these gods that were defeated by the Irish people shrunk themselves. They loved Ireland so much that they decided we'll just be small and live underground.

Jack: And thus the invention of midgets.

Cristina: Close, I guess. Leprechauns. Leprechauns and so many other creatures. Okay. There are so many different types of fairy races. You probably didn't think of them as fairies though. Which are dwarves, elves, gnomes, goblins, brownies and pixies.

Jack: The h*** is a brownie? Is that a racist term?

Cristina: No, it's just another short magical, human like creature thing. Yeah, they're all short magical, human like creature things.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Yes. And what I feel like when somebody.

Jack: Says leprechaun, they mean all of these things. Leprechaun is the blanket term? Almost.

Cristina: No. Leprechaun is a type of fairy.

Jack: I get that.

Cristina: Fairy is the blanket term thing.

Jack: Fairies, the blanket term.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Do Westerners say leprechaun and mean fairies and all the other stuff to Western like they mean fairy and fairies, the blanket term to them. When we say fairy, we think Na' Vi from Ocarina of Time.

Cristina: There's no fairy that's like that fairy. We made that up.

Jack: My point is exact.

Cristina: Okay, that's not a thing.

Jack: Westerners say leprechaun and mean all the different kinds of fairies.

Cristina: I don't know. I think we just see leprechauns as leprechauns.

Jack: Right. But if you showed us a different one of those fairies, what would we call it? We would probably call it a leprechaun.

Cristina: Even an elf. If we saw elf or gnome. We know what gnomes are.

Jack: Oh, S***. Okay, there we go. Now we're getting to places.

Cristina: Dwarfs. You know what a dwarf is?

Jack: A dwarf is just a person.

Cristina: No, they're magical little people. They're magical.

Jack: Whoa. So you're telling me Peter Dinklage is a magical fairy?

Cristina: No.

Jack: And that's why he has all these jobs.

Cristina: He's sprinkling has become two different things. Okay.

Jack: He's sprinkling his fairy dust all over people. You're telling me he's unfairly in justly getting these jobs when Wee man should be getting some of them?

Cristina: Look, fairies are complicated. They're very complicated. He may be a fairy because fairies could be every and many things. There's so many words for fairies. You could say fairy, but you can also call them sprites, you can call them spirits, you can call them supernatural entities. You can even call them angels and demons.

Jack: Right? Okay. We've established this in the Shadow Realm episode. For further information, go back there. Listen to that. Get informed.

Cristina: It is so annoying. It's so annoying.

Jack: It is. When I was figuring that out.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I came across a lot of these problems in which limbo is purgatory, and that is the Shadow Realm, and that is an alternate version of this reality. And that what's there is here and here is there. And it's the same, but different. It has a different name, but it's the same. It's like. Yeah, it's complicated.

Cristina: There was one thing about the other, the other realm that I don't know if you talked about that I think. If you haven't, I just want to mention, though, is that time works different there.

Jack: Probably. The concept of time in itself might be entirely different.

Cristina: Yeah, but, like, for the rare people that have been able to go there and come back, hundreds of years would pass by.

Jack: It depends.

Cristina: It depends.

Jack: It depends. Let's say you get there through some form of astral projection, and you're there as a spirit. Right. Your spirit might be over there hundreds of years, and over here, hundreds of years don't pass. You might come back after being hundreds of years over there and it was only one night's sleep over here.

Cristina: Oh, I read the opposite of.

Jack: Well, that's my point. It depends on the approach that's happening.

Cristina: Oh, okay. All right. So it's. That's as complicated as the word fairy. Okay.

Jack: It's very, very f*****.

Cristina: Yes. But. Okay, so there's the leprechaun, the most famous fairy. Right. Maybe.

Jack: I'd say that other than Navi, she's not a fairy. What the h*** is she. They call her a fairy.

Cristina: That's an American made up creature. So is Tinkerbell. Tinkerbell is not a fairy.

Jack: Well, she's not a fairy by their terms. But then you have to tell me that a Japanese dragon like Shenron and then a Western dragon, that's like a giant lizard, like an iguana, a ginormous iguana with wings that breathes fire, are not both dragons.

Cristina: Okay, well, we're. Right now we're just talking about Irish creatures. Okay. They're not Irish fairies.

Jack: Got you. They're not Irish fairies.

Cristina: Correct. Because this is an Irish episode to celebrate our favorite saint.

Jack: Got you.

Cristina: So. Yeah. So what was it? Navi.

Jack: Navi.

Cristina: Navi. I guess that's a Japanese fairy.

Jack: Yes, but she's not an Irish. And she's specifically a Shinto Japanese fairy.

Cristina: Okay. And then I guess the Americans made. Not the Americans. The English made Tinkerbell.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay. But yes, none of these fairies have wings. I guess is one interesting different thing from all the ones that you could think. The ones you mentioned.

Jack: Yeah, you can actually see that in a lot of cultures where there is a shift in there. If we go back to the dragons, the Japanese dragons don't have wings. They're just like floating snake things.

Cristina: I thought it was the Chinese dragon.

Jack: Oh, it's a Chinese dragon. Well, I guess both of them, right? Yeah, they're pretty similar.

Cristina: Okay. The Asian dragons and then.

Jack: Yeah, Asian dragons. There you go. The Asian dragons don't have wings and then the western dragons do. Yeah, the Asian dragons are kind of like a snake, but the western dragons are like a lizard.

Cristina: But they're both huge, I think. Right?

Jack: Yeah, they're both ginormous. Although I believe the Japanese dragon is much bigger. Do they have. Are there any fairy, like any dragon, like fairies without wings and like floating snake thing or. They're all little people.

Cristina: They're all little people. I will talk about. I do want to talk about some other creatures in Ireland that I don't know if they're under the fairy description.

Jack: Interesting. So then tell me which one are the fairies? What? Break them down and explain these to me.

Cristina: Okay, there's. I'm gonna mention like. Okay, there's the leprechaun, of course.

Jack: What's the get up there?

Cristina: He's the lucky fairy, I guess. He's the one with the gold in the end of the rainbow. And you can get it if you catch him. He'll grant you three wishes, but you have to do it quickly because he'll try to trick You. And that would suck.

Jack: Trick you how?

Cristina: Well. Oh, One of the things about these fairies is they're all tricksters. They're all tricksters. I don't know if there's any fairies that aren't tricksters, but they all seem like tricksters. And they're not seen as evil. Trick tricksters evil either. Yes, but some of them do sound evil. Some of them are evil tricksters. Some of them are just regular trolley guys. But the leprechaun seems like the good kind, I guess, of the tricksters. Anyway, there's a story about a guy who caught a leprechaun and he wished to be taken to the gold. And the. And the leprechaun did show him where the tree was, where the gold was hidden. So the man put a marking on the tree and he let go of the leprechaun to find a shovel. But then when he came back, all the trees were marked the same way he marked the tree that he had.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yep. Yep.

Jack: So there was no way for him to tell which one it was?

Cristina: Nope. He really messed up on that.

Jack: Yeah, so.

Cristina: So if you get a leprechaun, he shows you the gold, you gotta somehow.

Jack: Get it at that moment.

Cristina: At that moment, yes.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: I wonder if you can waste the wish, though, to have the leprechaun help you get the gold and also to leave you alone.

Jack: I'm sure there's wish rules, otherwise systems would be broken. You could also wish for many wishes if you could do that, you know.

Cristina: Yeah, but could you trust a leprechaun to tell you the rules of the wishes if there are tricksters?

Jack: Well, on the first one, you wish to be told the rules. If you have three wishes. On the second one, if it's not against the rules, then you wish for more wishes. And if it is against the rules, then you didn't waste a wish and instead you asked the leprechaun to help you. Unless that's also against rules.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In which case you still got two wishes, but I don't know, like, one.

Cristina: Of the other still has to be to show you where the gold is.

Jack: Yes. Okay, fine. So now you know where the gold is. The other one has to be, don't kill me while I take this gold.

Cristina: Don't kill. Well, he might not kill you. He just won't want you to steal his gold. So he's gonna do some other weird thing that probably hurts you, but doesn't murder you. Yeah, he's not evil.

Jack: Don't disrupt me at all.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: While stealing Your gold.

Cristina: Alright. Even though they're not seen as evil, there are some stories where they sound a bit evil. So there's this story about a king who fell asleep on a beach and when he woke up, he found himself being dragged into the sea by three leprechauns.

Jack: To drown.

Cristina: I'm pretty sure to drown him. Maybe he's related to St. Patrick and they're like, we gotta get revenge.

Jack: It could be. Who the h*** knows? Maybe it was St. Patrick, but he.

Cristina: Was able to catch one of them and. And they granted him three wishes in exchange for them to release him.

Jack: And then what was one of the wishes?

Cristina: I don't know. To be released.

Jack: That's it. Guy just got. We got the story of a guy who caught a leprechaun and we don't know what he wished for.

Cristina: He died. It was a lie. They're just trying to cover up that they're evil because there's some. There's stories that differ between whether a leprechaun is harmless or really, really evil. So I guess it depends. I don't know. Some are evil, some aren't. That's what I'm going with.

Jack: There is a literal movie about evil leprechauns, I believe, called Leprechaun.

Cristina: Yeah, it's some weird horror movie series thing.

Jack: Serious. Oh, it's. There's many of them.

Cristina: There's many movies. So many. Like it's like a Freddy versus, you know, a Freddy movie or a Jason movie. It's just like he keeps coming back.

Jack: Oh, is it the same leprechaun?

Cristina: I'm not sure. I think so. It looks the same. Crappy looking version. I've never seen a nice looking leprechaun. Yeah, version, but okay, like Chucky. Who does he ever change his look? It's always the same dude being in a doll, right?

Jack: I think so.

Cristina: That dude is just unlucky. He should just die. His life sucks. I don't know what he's doing. Although everything he's doing in the rest of the movies make no sense because the. In the original movie he was. If he can't get into a child's body in I think a certain amount of time, then he's stuck in the doll's body. So that's it. He's stuck in that body like the rest of the movies don't make any sense of him trying to get into another person's body because he wasted the time. It's over for him.

Jack: Yeah, that's weird.

Cristina: But he still tries. But. And of Course, never does. But even if he managed, it doesn't make sense to the first movie unless they change that in the reboot. But anyway, there are other types of things that are very similar to leprechauns, and one of them is, I guess, he's a lot like a leprechaun. But he loves to drink and he's famous to haunt wine cellars and drink all the wine in there.

Jack: So he's an alcoholic?

Cristina: Basically, yes, he's the alcoholic leprechaun. And he's also described as a trickster and a practical jokester because I guess most leprechauns are. Then there's another leprechaun type fairy which likes to seduce women.

Jack: As a short individual.

Cristina: Yes, he's really good at seducing ladies. He goes to lonely places where I guess they're just like, why? I just want to fall in love. And then he comes and then they're like, whoa, make love to me. I don't know how his magic works. He comes on them and he comes on them. But it's very unlucky to meet him. Very. Because his skin is addictive and put in to it's toxic and addictive and seducing the person, they really. They really just become addicted to him. Like they need him.

Jack: Right, so it's his power.

Cristina: Well, it's his skin's power. I mean, yeah, it's his power, like superpower type thing. And the women end up dying from withdrawal after he leaves.

Jack: So they all die.

Cristina: Yep, yep, they die. But then there's the Farduring, which is the evil leprechaun, because none of those are evil. They're not evil. Except for that one that sounds a little.

Jack: How is this one any more or less evil?

Cristina: Well, this guy. Oh, his name translates to Red man. This guy Redman, he wears a red cape and hat and he does some really gross practical jokes. Like he likes to put people into sacks and kidnap people. And then there was a story where he makes them make him dinner and then when they look at the dinner, it's a witch. I don't know. I don't know how that's evil or whatever. That's just weird.

Jack: Very strange. Yes, yes.

Cristina: This is a very strange thing. But usually he just traps people in rooms.

Jack: That doesn't sound like malicious or evil. It just sounds like a douchebag.

Cristina: And. Yeah, it does. It does. He does terrifying noises. One of them is described as laughing like a dead man, which I'm not really sure what that sounds like, but that sounds like, it would be terrifying if you knew that that's what you're specifically listening to. Maybe it's a person you knew that died and you hear that laughing.

Jack: That would make sense.

Cristina: That's kind of horrifying.

Jack: Yeah, Like a very distinct laugh that you shouldn't be hearing.

Cristina: Mm. And he's also the people. The person stealing the human babies and replacing them with changelings. Remember the changelings we talked about last year?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yep. He's the one. He's. He's the one doing it.

Jack: Why does he kidnap the children again?

Cristina: To replace them with. I don't know. To replace. As a joke, I guess. To replace them with fairy children. Right.

Jack: And then what does he do with the kid?

Cristina: Don't remember we talked about this last year, and I don't remember. You don't remember?

Jack: No.

Cristina: I'm not sure. Maybe the kids are slaves while they're baby. Like, they don't.

Jack: Underwear gnome logic.

Cristina: Yes, But I guess the purpose, though, of stealing the human babies so that these other babies could be raised and they don't have to actually raise the babies. Fairies are lazy, and they don't want to raise their babies. So they're like, let's get these humans.

Jack: To raise our babies minus a human baby they now have to raise.

Cristina: I'm sure they're not raising those babies. They throw them in the trash.

Jack: And thus the question of where trash babies come from is answered.

Cristina: Yes. That's where trash babies come from. They're also. They also bring nightmares. And they just. They just like to terror. Terrorize people. They just love terrorizing.

Jack: I mean, minus the kidnapping part. Everything else is pretty. Pretty chill.

Cristina: Even the swapping babies thing is chill.

Jack: That's the part I'm talking about.

Cristina: Oh, I thought you meant the other kidnapping of, like, when he made the guy cook and then it somehow became a witch, or trapping the person in a room, and then the scary voices.

Jack: None of that is kidnapping.

Cristina: None of that is kidnapping. But that all sounds pretty bad. No. Okay.

Jack: Sounds scary, not evil.

Cristina: Okay. Well, there's one way to avoid his tricks. You have to say, you will not mock me before he traps you.

Jack: So you could just walk around saying, you will not mock me.

Cristina: Yes, but they. But it's really hard because they set up very good traps. So you have to say before you're trapped, but you might end up being trapped before you say it, so you gotta say it. I guess you have to walk around saying it, just hoping not to get trapped.

Jack: Yeah. Or is it just, like, how. What's the Deadline on this. Can you just say it now and then you're just good forever?

Cristina: Maybe. I don't know. Probably not. You probably have to walk around saying that they're also called rat boys because they're fat.

Jack: The evil ones?

Cristina: Yes, the evil ones. They're fat. They have dark hairy skin. They have a long snout and a skinny tail.

Jack: So they don't look like dwarfs. No, they don't look human.

Cristina: They don't. They look like a giant rat. I guess they look like a. They look like a giant rat. But they're still described as being a type of leprechaun. But an evil leprechaun.

Jack: An evil rat. Leprechaun.

Cristina: Evil rat. Leprechaun. Yes. That cause nightmares and bad luck.

Jack: I feel like this is totally backwards because instead of it being a little person, it's just a giant rat.

Cristina: It's just a giant rat. Oh, it is a giant rat. Yeah. Maybe it's not a leprechaun. Maybe it's just a giant magical rat.

Jack: Sounds like it.

Cristina: Yeah. So then it's just a fairy. Not really a leprechaun. A leprechaun. So who knows. And then there's some other Ireland creatures. There's these things called the Merrow men. And the merrow. The Merrow men are ugly sea creatures. And the females are called marrows. Are beautiful because they're always beautiful, aren't they? All the women are beautiful in these type of stories.

Jack: Yeah. That's how the succubus is so attractive. And the incubus is, I don't know. A monster.

Cristina: Yes. Oh yeah, we talked about that too. Yeah, that's. And the Merrell. The Merrells are not. They're not mermaids. They have human legs instead of a tail. Except that they're. They have large flat feet and webbed fingers to help them swim.

Jack: So they are basically the swamp creature.

Cristina: Yes, they're the swamp creature. And the Merrell's ability to. To swim in water or to travel in water is from her clothes. She has a cape or a cap, depending on the story. And when she takes it off, she loses the ability. And usually a man will find it and hide it so that he could marry her because she's beautiful. And also she has lots of gold from the sea, I guess.

Jack: Okay. Sweet. Fantastic. So like a half fish woman. That's gorgeous.

Cristina: Yes. And rich.

Jack: And rich.

Cristina: Yes. And then. But if she finds her missing cape or cap, she'll end up running away and returning to the sea, leaving her husband and their children and many Families claim to be descendants from these Merrells who were entrapped by fishermen.

Jack: Really? Like, somewhere up the line, their grandma was a fish lady who jumped in the water. And we're sure that it wasn't just a crazy lady who committed suicide?

Cristina: Yeah. It could just be a lady who just abandoned her family. Maybe committed suicide, maybe not. Maybe she just abandoned her family and they were like, no way would she abandon us. She must have been a marrow.

Jack: Chances are the father made that lie up for the children.

Cristina: Yes. And then there's this thing called a banshee, which is a female spirit. I'm not sure. Spirit, fairy, sprite? I don't know.

Jack: I've heard of banshees. They're known for screaming.

Cristina: They're known for screaming? Yes. Well, crying. They're considered a omen of death. Whenever you hear her, you could assume someone's about to die.

Jack: That makes sense. They. They're known. You like, you hear them in the woods and s***. A lot of the time you hear the screams of a banshee. There's a couple of songs about that too.

Cristina: Really? Well, there's some stories where they just find her by their window. She's just next to their window crying.

Jack: That's f****** horrifying.

Cristina: Yes, well, her appearance isn't that. Well, sometimes. It depends, because she has three different appearances. She can look like a young lady, she can look like a regular woman, and she can look like a withering hag. So her age varies.

Jack: F****** banshee.

Cristina: And she can also appear as a crow, weasel or another creature called a stout. That, I think is also a type of weasel.

Jack: I didn't know that. So she could, like, shapeshift.

Cristina: Yeah. And I have three stories of this banshee lady. There was a couple who stayed at a friend's castle, a friend's castle. And on the first night around 1am, the wife heard a cry by the window. And when she looked, she saw some lady there, a lady leaning on the window, crying. And she woke up her husband scared and stuff. And then in the next day, they told. I don't know if they told their friend the story, but anyway, the next day their friend told them that she was all night up because she was with her dying cousin and her very sick cousin. And at the same time, he died. Okay. She told them that even though it's the best room of the house, there's a ghost of a lady that haunts the house. The ghost is of the former owner of the house who killed his wife. His pregnant wife. And that's the banshee that hangs out in the window?

Jack: His former wife? Yeah, but she died inside the house. Why is she hanging outside as a ghost?

Cristina: Why is she hanging outside as a ghost? Because that's what banshees do. I don't know. There's no stories of a banshee hanging out inside a house.

Jack: So she got killed and was like, I'm gonna go outside now.

Cristina: What if she got killed outside?

Jack: I thought she got killed in the house.

Cristina: No, he got. He died in the house. Her cousin died in the house.

Jack: Didn't he kill her?

Cristina: No, The. The owners of the house. The original. The former owners of the house. The husband killed the wife.

Jack: And that's the banshee.

Cristina: And that's the banshee? Yes.

Jack: The wife that died.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Why didn't she haunt the house from inside the house where she died?

Cristina: We don't know that she died inside the house.

Jack: Didn't he kill her in the house?

Cristina: He killed her and they lived in that house.

Jack: Got it.

Cristina: But that doesn't.

Jack: Got it, got it, got it.

Cristina: I understand.

Jack: I understand.

Cristina: Like, yes, maybe he did kill her in the house, but I don't. We don't know that. We don't know where he killed her. It could be anywhere. So. But that's one story. Then there's stories where people from Ireland, they move far away and a banshee still follows them. It finds their way to them.

Jack: That's interesting. Reminds me of that show that's totally full of s*** of the people who moved into the house. Or do you know the people who tell them they're f****** the time I saw a ghost or whatever the f***. And then they got reenactors and s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The ghost story in the room.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, okay.

Jack: That s*** that. This reminds me of that, like, he would. They were like, if we move, we'll be fine. Then they did, and then he stopped seeing her for a while, and then she popped up again.

Cristina: Well, she was hispan. She.

Jack: Except she wasn't screaming. She was just hanging in a closet. Except she was originally from the closet that she was hung in.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then she was just like, now, Imma go hang in your new closet.

Cristina: Yes. And then I think he also saw.

Jack: Her outside, which makes no f****** sense because presumably she was haunting the place, Meaning now she haunts you. And anybody who lives in that house is fine.

Cristina: Now, I don't. I don't know how ghosts work. What if they can haunt more than one thing at a time?

Jack: That's crazy. Anybody who goes through that house is haunted by the saint. So if everybody in the world stayed at that house and then moved, they would all be haunted by the same ghost at the same time.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that's what's happening with this banshee. Basically.

Cristina: Except none of his family was haunted and they all lived there. Maybe have to be in that specific room.

Jack: Could be.

Cristina: How are we gonna get all these people into that room?

Jack: That's crazy.

Cristina: That's crazy. But yes, like the banshee and these, these two stories, they moved to. They moved to Canada and Yeah. They heard the cry. And then the next day in one of the stories, the man of the house and his oldest son died in a boating accident. The next day after they heard the strange cry, they also asked people about the strange cry and no one saw anyone by the house, but they all heard the cry.

Jack: That's fascinating. I wonder if that has happened recently, like with banshees, you know? So banshees is an Irish creature.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Interesting, interesting. Because that's prominent in Western culture. That's prominent as h*** over here because.

Cristina: Irish people came over here and brought their banshees.

Jack: Interesting, interesting. Can you imagine? Like, let's say banshees are for facts. Real, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, I'll probably hunt one down. We'll make that a mission. We'll add them to the collection of f******. What do we have so far? F****** werewolves and reptilian vampires. And vampires. We got a bunch of s***. Imprisoned.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: On Mars.

Cristina: We want to find if banshees can haunt people that aren't related to Irish.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: So that.

Jack: That'll be interesting to see a banshee for now.

Cristina: Alright. Because some first. For now it's only been people from Ireland or. Yeah. That have some blood in Ireland that they hunt.

Jack: That's so weird. I'm curious. A banshee is a really weird creature. It really is. Because it's like a person, but also not.

Cristina: It's not a person.

Jack: Yeah. Because like you're saying in Irish culture a banshee is a leprechaun.

Cristina: Not a leprechaun.

Jack: A fairy.

Cristina: A fairy? Yes.

Jack: Okay. It's a fairy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: In Irish culture the banshee is a fairy.

Cristina: Yes. The best description is a spirit. But to me it seems like spirit could equal fairy. Could equal whatever.

Jack: Yeah. Because they're used almost interchangeably.

Cristina: Yeah. So that's why I'm not sure what she is.

Jack: So when we get to her, it's kind of vague. Because a woman died and became a banshee.

Cristina: Yes. In this story. Yeah. Or the banshee haunts where the woman died. And it's not the woman.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Interest. Holy crap. That's kind of fascinating. Wow. So it could either be that people turn into banshees or.

Cristina: I never thought that people could turn into banshees in. With these things. It seems like these creatures in Ireland are separate things. They're not human. Yeah. They're their own species.

Jack: Enter the shadow realm, a place where there is a part of people that naturally exists. And upon crossing the threshold, that was still the person, but it's also not. So is the banshee a tortured soul from the shadow realm that crossed over. So maybe it was that woman's spirit. Yeah, but the shadow realm version, maybe. Intense emotion, fear, and all these things that are required for a creature from the shadow realm to manifest were all present at the death of this person and maybe lingers in there as people know about the story and create the fear that allows the banshee to continue manifesting on this side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It is her tortured soul from the other side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Although she died somehow, her soul didn't die. Maybe adrenochrome isn't the only way.

Cristina: Yes, maybe adrenochrome is, but then that would mean like all the emotions and feelings and stuff are somehow part of it.

Jack: Yeah. Because we know that people extract adrenochrome or whatever they're getting that keeps them alive from the fear itself.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Where they don't need the adrenal chrome. So if you get enough of that all in one shot. Is that what a haunting soul is? Like a spirit that's left behind? Right. And you're haunting a place. That's your version. That's your spirit that's from the shadow realm.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That came through. But why? It's usually because you were killed brutally or some. Some horrible thing happened, except your soul couldn't fade away. The crazy amount of emotion, fear, sadness, all those things existed at the moment of your death and tethered your soul to that.

Cristina: But it's still. The Banshee is very different from regular ghosts because it's. It's only here to warn you. Like someone's about to die, which regular ghosts don't really do anything.

Jack: Or Spirit. Yeah, because ghost is an spirit.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Regular spirit or shadow person.

Cristina: Yeah. As far as we can tell, they're not any type of warning sign. They're not going to tell you anything. Thing about the future.

Jack: Yeah. They're not there intentionally. They're just echoing through. Or if they.

Cristina: The banshee is more like the groundhog?

Jack: Yeah, it's more like the groundhog. It's there for information of some sort. But my question is, is it choosing to, or is it a reflex? Is the Banshee incapable, capable of telling.

Cristina: People that it's someone they know is about to die?

Jack: Yes. Do you know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, do they have to do it even if they didn't want to? They're just somewhere where death is. And they scream at death.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But then again, if we think of the Shadow Realm. Again, not to stay on the Shadow Realm topic. The reapers also call the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Other realm, because that's what this is in this place now, I guess.

Jack: So the other Realm, the reaper comes from the other realm. And the Reaper handles life. It is a delivery mechanism in the form of a physical being.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And maybe the Banshee is terrified of the Reaper. Of the Reaper. Because it's always maybe coming for the Banshee.

Cristina: She's warning about the Reaper then.

Jack: I don't think she's warning anybody.

Cristina: She's just horrified. Of the Reaper?

Jack: Yes, because that's a lingering tethered soul to the wrong side. And the Reaper delivers souls.

Cristina: I don't know. But I think this third story might change our mind a little bit about that. Because in the third situation of a Banshee haunting a man because his daughter was gonna die, but he didn't know that she was healthy, strong, and beautiful. And then one night, he heard a voice coming from his window, and it said. Which is weird. Like, they usually just cry. And it was crying too, but it also said, in three weeks, death. In three weeks, the grave. Dead, dead, dead. That's what he heard. And then the next day, his daughter got sick or was showing symptoms of a fever. And then three weeks later, dead.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. So it was a warning.

Cristina: It was a real warning of, like, I know what's gonna happen.

Jack: It's not that they're seeing death actively in the area, even if other people can't, because they themselves are ethereal and seeing other ethereal beings.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's that they're seeing the future.

Cristina: Yes. Like, maybe it does see death coming, but it knows, like, specific.

Jack: Oh, my God. We're missing one thing that you mentioned earlier.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And then I specified earlier, time works differently on the other side. So maybe from this side they're saying, death is coming, but it takes crazy long here. But from that side's point of view, it's immediate. He's approaching quick. But it could be weeks.

Cristina: Yeah. Even though this one is specific. Or maybe he remembers it as it being super specific.

Jack: Maybe they were super specific. Maybe the person the banshee telling the information knew specifically the. The conversion rate of time.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And was like. Well, it takes them about three hours on this side, so we'll say like three weeks.

Cristina: Yeah. So like banshees may know the time difference equivalent of what's going on. Okay.

Jack: Just a possibility.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. And then there's the Fear Gorda. And Fear Gordas look like zombies. Actually. I think they are zombies, but we're just gonna. Well, they're like zombies from like old fashioned zombie movies. Like they're. They got bones popping out of their body. They're like super thin, they have bluish skin and their flesh is rotting.

Jack: Yeah. So it sounds like a zombie from an old school interpretation of a zombie, but like a freaking God decided to look like this s***. It was like f****** reason for it though.

Cristina: During famines it comes around and it asks for food. It asks people for food who are already dying in a famine. But if you give him the food, he'll reward you with. But if you give him food, he'll reward you with a lifelong wealth and prosperity. And those who don't give him food will have bad luck and poverty.

Jack: Sounds pretty badass. So he's testing the morality of people.

Cristina: Yes. In the worst situation, in the life and death situation, because it's a famine.

Jack: So you're starving. I'm starving. Do you care about others? Can you.

Cristina: That's a true test. That sounds very godly.

Jack: Yeah, that's very noble.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He's testing a real person. Like, do you remain a good person in the worst of circumstances?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then you deserve good things.

Cristina: Yes. That's pretty interesting. Yeah. And then there are stories. There's two. There's like. Okay, I'll say. There's like three stories of these creatures that are very vampire. Like the author of Dracula might have based it on these creatures because he's Irish.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: But he also liked folklore, so. And he did travel, so he of course also based on other famous vampires and stories.

Jack: Transylvanian legends and whatnot.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. So the first one is called the Avatar, the evil Irish magical dwarf king who was like. He was just pretty evil. And he killed. He was killed and buried standing up. And then the next day he came back from the grave and used his magical powers to be even more crueler than he was before. And he loves to drink the blood of his victims, of course. And there's only one way to stop him. You must kill him. And Bury him upside down. Very vampirey.

Jack: Very vampirey. Including all the weird ways to get rid of them and crap.

Cristina: Yes. The second vampire is a lady, and she is called the Red Bloodsucker. She's known as the Red Bloodsucker. She seduces men and then drains their blood. One of the stories about how she became a vampire was that she was in love with some poor peasant dude, and her father didn't like that, so he made her marry some rich dude who treated her terrible. And then eventually she committed suicide. But then she came back to get revenge on her father and her husband, and she sucked their blood until they were dead. And then now she does that once.

Jack: A year to random people.

Cristina: To random people.

Jack: She's Jeeper Scrapers.

Cristina: Well, to men, specifically. She wants men.

Jack: Oh, so she's a succubus.

Cristina: She's a Succubus. Well, yeah, but she's a vampire. And there is only one way to, quote, unquote, defeat her, because it's not really to defeat her. Like, what, did you compare her to a succubus? No, before that. Jeepers Creepers.

Jack: Jeepers Creepers.

Cristina: To stop her is like, Jeepers Creepers. You don't really defeat her. You put rocks on her grave and then she can't get up.

Jack: Yeah. You just enable her.

Cristina: Yeah. For only a year, and then she'll try to get out, and then you got to put some more rocks.

Jack: She sounds very Jeepers Creepers.

Cristina: Yeah. So maybe Jeepers Creepers was inspired by some Dracula stories or.

Jack: No, it was actually inspired by a song.

Cristina: By a song. Oh, yeah.

Jack: But that song could have used not only the song, but it could have been like a mesh of this story, a song, and a bunch of other crap to make. Because Jeepers Creeper is a scary m***********.

Cristina: Yeah. But that whole coming back every 23 years, or whatever it was isn't from the song, though.

Jack: No.

Cristina: No. So like, maybe that was inspired by this type of story. Yeah. And then the third vampire, like, person or demon? This one's more. This is a fairy vampire, and her name is Lennon Sid. I think that's how her name is said. And she's a demon that likes to inspire poets and musicians. But once they. Once they make the thing that they're gonna make, I guess she drinks their blood, she shares with them her intelligence, creativity, and magic. But when she leaves, the men go into a deep depression and they die. Then she will take her dead lovers back to her lair. And then, rather sucking their blood, she puts their blood into a Giant red cauldron, which is the source of her beauty and artistic inspiration.

Jack: Fantastic.

Cristina: Yep. So to prevent her from rising, you have to also put stones on her resting place.

Jack: Interesting, Interesting. So definitely a vampire, too.

Cristina: Yeah, she's a fairy vampire, which I guess the dwarf guy is a fairy vampire because dwarves are fairies. But then the second lady, she's just a vampire. She was human, and then she became a vampire.

Jack: So we're back to the same problem of the difference between a spirit and a fairy.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. That's why it's all so complicated. And I'm not really sure what is. What if they're all the same or if they're not the same or whatever. Where's the lines?

Jack: Yeah. Cause it seems like they do blur.

Cristina: Yes. And then the last creature, because there's so many creatures. But I'm just gonna stop at this one. It's called the Questing Beast. It is a cool creature. It's also an evil creature who has the head of a snake, the body of a leopard, the backside of a lion, and the hooves of a deer. And its cries. Its sound. The sound it makes sounds like the cry it makes sounds like the bark.

Jack: Of 30 dogs all at once simultaneously.

Cristina: Yes. And I think it's called the Questing Beast because many knights have tried to defeat this beast. I don't know if any has succeeded.

Jack: But so they go out of their way. It's an accomplishment. They're trying to do status thing. If I defeat it, I am a legend.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay, so it's a western dragon again. You go defeat the dragon for the status now. It will be the best knight ever. Everybody will know. And so the Questing Beast is the same idea.

Cristina: That's the same thing.

Jack: Very interesting. It sounds like a Pokemon.

Cristina: It sounds like they'll turn this into a Pokemon someday.

Jack: Yeah, fair enough. Then again, they don't make Pokemon out of animals anymore. It's sooner that you'll have, like, microphone. The Pokemon. There probably is a microphone Pokemon. I'm pretty sure that's a thing already.

Cristina: No, not yet.

Jack: I think that's. There's a microphone Pokemon.

Cristina: That's the next evolution. I mean, the next season or whatever.

Jack: There's a Pokemon. It's called, like, Mikey or something.

Cristina: No, it's not Mikey.

Jack: Yeah, man. There's totally a microphone Pokemon. Oh, my God. What is it? What the h*** is that thing? Is that a real Pokemon?

Cristina: I think that's fan. A fan art. Because there is a Pokemon that has different forms that looks like that, and that's what they're making fun of, I think.

Jack: Okay, fair enough.

Cristina: But we could double check. Look, his name is Rotom, the voice form. Okay, let's see what Rotom's different forms are, though. Okay, so he's Rotom.

Jack: Could be a frigerator, f****** lawnmower. Modem, a laundry. He could be a washing machine. He could be a grill. He could be a fridge, a freaking fan. And what the h*** is that other one?

Cristina: This one? This one. The original, I guess, is just, like, normal electricity. Yeah. And then he. Yeah, he turns into things that need electricity.

Jack: Bro, what the h*** is going on with Pokemon?

Cristina: Close enough. You're right. There's a microphone.

Jack: There totally isn't, but there should totally be a microphone.

Cristina: Look at him. He's a Pokedex.

Jack: Oh, my God.

Cristina: So there's fan art of, like, the many different things he could probably turn into. If you can be these things, there's probably a limited, unlimited possibility of what he could actually turn into.

Jack: Freaking Rotom.

Cristina: As long as they're electric. I mean, electronical, right? Yeah, like a computer.

Jack: That makes perfect sense. But it's like, why is this a freaking Pokemon? A blender. A toaster.

Cristina: I'm not sure what this one's supposed to be.

Jack: Where's the other one? Next to it.

Cristina: That one?

Jack: No, the one that's a toaster. What the h*** is that?

Cristina: No idea. Okay, so people are getting really creative of what this should look like. What?

Jack: Freaking Rotom, bro.

Cristina: Yes, I would like to see Quest Beast as a Pokemon.

Jack: That'd be cool. Questy. Questy Equestrian.

Cristina: Oh, that's a cool name.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it is a cool name.

Cristina: Well, that was awesome. And there's a lot of creatures in Ireland. Ridiculous. That place is popular.

Jack: Yes, but what has made me interested about everything you've talked about is really digging into a banshee. Yeah, like, at this point, we've become the new Sam and Dean. They're off air. They're. They're. They're living their lives. We still hunting? S***, they stopped. We're still going. We're still hunting.

Cristina: Yeah, they're the ones that taught us.

Jack: Yeah, except we have a freaking army of subhumans provided by the Chinese cloning program. Yeah, which is totally fine. Look, it's totally fine. Actually, it's not the cloning program. We're the clones. It's all the aborted babies.

Cristina: The aborted babies make the.

Jack: The subhumans.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Aborted babies equal an army of subhumans that are superior because they're genetically engineered and then turn into Superhumans that then we use to hunt these creat like the ones in Ireland. And now I am fascinated by a banshee.

Cristina: Except that these creatures have. Are really secretive and they can hide and stuff. And like, I don't know. Finding a banshee really hard.

Jack: I'll figure it out, okay? I will figure out finding a banshee.

Cristina: Well, that's gonna be fun.

Jack: It's gonna be astounding. I will find the banshee by any means necessary.

Cristina: All right?

Jack: I promise. That much.

Cristina: I can't wait.

Jack: Yes. It's gonna be exciting.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Anyways, if you guys enjoyed this conversation and many conversations of this nature already exist on this show, that you can go find those locations would be to find them on the official website, greathoughts.info Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and anywhere else you get your podcasts.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok. UsConvopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe, rate, and review.

Cristina: The show and let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth. It's totally amazing. Scream at people as if you were a banshee and tell them, hey, you're gonna love that. And they're gonna be like, yeah, I will. And you're like, yeah, cool. Scream with me. And then they'll scream with you. You should do that to random people on the street. Because they love it.

Cristina: They love it.

Jack: They love it.

Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal. And thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: Kekken Apheos. Go on. Hang in hand.

Cristina: And that's what KEK is all about.

Jack: Chaos. Yeah. Embracing chaos. It's a natural part of everything. But so is order. And having order and reason and logic. In no moment does Kek's chaos interfere with Pastafarianism. Logic. The goal is be reasonable. Same thing with Kek. You control, but you don't hurt people.

Cristina: Because it's just a joke.

Jack: It's just a joke. If you're crossing the line, you're f****** up.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You're doing it wrong.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's not about hurting other people. It's about that balance of you can have fun. Some people are gonna get annoyed.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But they should know that they're getting annoyed at a joke.

Cristina: It's so weird how anything could have a religion. Thinking of Shaggy. Shaggy. The church of Shaggy.

Jack: Yeah. What happens with Shaggy is the idea that destruction is equal to creation. So not only do we maintain balance, but we need to understand that sometimes things. A good example is, as writers, we often have to get rid of something and destroy something because it's just not working out. It's the weak link in what we're trying to do. And sometimes you're attached to the idea, but the story isn't attached to the idea.

Cristina: I usually just remove them. I don't delete them or anything.

Jack: Well, you can remove them, put them somewhere else, but you're destroying the concept you were working with to change it for something else.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that just goes hand in hand with. To maintain balance, you must destroy sometimes.

Cristina: That's an interesting way to see it. Yeah.

Jack: Shaggy is important.

Cristina: He is.

Jack: He's important in everything. You must destroy in order to create their hand in hand.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

September 26, 2020

JCP 4.09 Genuine Chit-Chat & Universal Scales

September 26, 2020/ GreyThoughts.Info

The Just Conversation Podcast, Language, Reality, Metaphysics, Mike Burton, Genuine Chit-Chat, Universal Scales, Comedy, Guest, Discussion, Podcasting, Physics, Faith, Religion

Guest Mike Burton, Host of Genuine Chit-Chat podcast, joins Jack to discuss religion and philosophy in intricate detail.

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Politics- Earth’s Panic Attack
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Universal Consciousness
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Power of Perspective
Human Capacity
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Struggle is the Point

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May 16, 2020

Rambling 89: Adrenochrome Conspiracy 2: God's Fuel

May 16, 2020/ GreyThoughts.Info

Adrenochrome, Conspiracy Theory, Elites, Evil, Reptilian, Flat Earth, Alien, Murder, War, Corruption, Government, 9/11, Blood, Vile, Podcast, Discussion

How does Adrenochrome relate to God?

Unpacking God’s relationship to the Adrenochrome Conspiracy.

Story:
Months after discovering the true use of the Adrenochrome cocktail, the clone duo have a revelation connecting the cocktail directly to God and the ever changing state of the world. Pursuing this information leads the two to an astounding fact about God, higher dimensions and the nature of human sacrifices, The Tree of Knowledge and more much. An episode that will forever change the lives of our clones. All that and more on this episode of Just Conversation.

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Unpacking God’s relationship to the Adrenochrome Conspiracy.

Story: Months after discovering the true use of the Adrenochrome cocktail, the clone duo have a revelation connecting the cocktail directly to God and the ever changing state of the world. Pursuing this information leads the two to an astounding fact about God, higher dimensions and the nature of human sacrifices, The Tree of Knowledge and more much. An episode that will forever change the lives of our clones. All that and more on this episode of Just Conversation.

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April 11, 2020

Rambling 85: The Easter Zombie

April 11, 2020/ GreyThoughts.Info

Jesus, Easter, Easter Zombie, Holidays, Religion, Faith, God, The Just Conversation Podcast

What does Easter have to do with a rabbit? Unpacking the origins of Easter and how Jesus and a mythical rabbit relate.

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