Rambling 183: Imitating Humans
/Are any of our idea original? Are humans the only creature with death rituals? How did the three kinds meetup and carpool to the Baby Jesus Cult? The duo sit back and casually discuss the current most pressing issues in the world, imitating humans with artificial intelligence and solving some paradoxes in Christianity.
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Topics Discussed:
- Original Ideas
- Addiction to Phones
- Anxiety About Phone Calls
- Human-like Artificial Intelligence
- Animals Mourning Death
- Magic Baby Worship
- The Three Kings
- Humans Devolve Around Celebrities
- Hive Mentality
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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Cristina: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Christina.
Jack: And I'm Jack.
Cristina: This is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas.
Jack: And so we will do that today.
Cristina: I can't wait.
Jack: Because that's what we do.
Cristina: That's what we do. What is the baffling ideas?
Jack: Everything is the baffling idea.
Cristina: Everything.
Jack: Everything. That's how reality works. It's just a matter of finding. There was a. Who was the guy? Some dude. A smart, smarty pants man. One of the many smarty pants men of time.
Cristina: Is he a Dr. Smarty Pants?
Jack: Yeah, he was. He was probably a Dr. Smarty Pants. It's usually a Dr. Smarty Pants, right?
Cristina: I think so.
Jack: Dr. Smartypants. And he said that if you believe, you understand it, you don't know anything. If. No, if you believe it makes sense. There you go. If you believe it makes sense, you don't know anything, or you don't know it well enough or something along those lines, like, the more you know it, the more irrational it should feel.
Cristina: Okay, that sounds familiar.
Jack: Yeah. And that general logic kind of applies.
Cristina: To life or to the show.
Jack: Yeah. To ideas in general. Everything should baffle you. You should dig so deep into basically anything that you're like, what the f***?
Cristina: How did we get here?
Jack: How did we get here?
Cristina: Yeah, that.
Jack: That's all. The ideas are baffling.
Cristina: It is. Really is.
Jack: Yeah. Isn't that weird that playing the game in which you just ask why a million times to whatever somebody says eventually always leads to a very confusing, like, I don't really know. Like if you follow any thoughts make.
Cristina: Sense that they wouldn't know because a lot of ideas just come from other people. Yeah, it's all hand me down ideas.
Jack: Yeah, almost. We're all just made up of hand me down ideas.
Cristina: Yes, all of it. I don't know. Does anyone have an original idea?
Jack: I don't. I mean, every idea you come up with was made by your brain, but your brain follows patterns and it usually leans into the safest. Right out. And it usually uses collected information. So anything you know, it will apply and then it'll use that to create the shortcut. And the shortcut is usually an idea somebody else had because they initially had the shortcut that your brain is going to be like, yes, that looks like it'll work.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So it's your idea, but it's not Your idea simultaneously.
Cristina: What's the point? I don't understand. I mean, I guess it doesn't hurt, does it? Like, if you lie to your child that there's a Santa Claus, what's that for? What's the benefit? What's the loss? Is it more bad or is it more a good thing because your child is happy? Like, does it matter?
Jack: I don't know. I don't. I don't know. I don't know. And then in that. In the scenario, in that very scenario, that's like a weird one, right? Because you're ruining these people, presumably.
Cristina: Are you?
Jack: I don't know. That's basically just aiming towards them because we need to follow somebody, right? And be like, okay, your parents lied to you. I gotta study you for the rest of your life and see how this affects you as a person. Unless I can predict how you're gonna be in the future accurately. I have a future prediction machine, or I guess a type, the quantum computer.
Cristina: But what if it, like, doesn't affect them at all? Maybe they have happier lives than the person who wasn' lied to and was like, there's no Santa Claus, you get no gifts.
Jack: Then parents who don't lie to their kids about Santa Claus should be punished.
Cristina: What?
Jack: No, from that point forward, because you can prove that the other way is better.
Cristina: Oh, if you can prove it, I guess. But what if it's both equal? Then, I don't know. Then, like, how do you decide?
Jack: No, then you don't do anything. It doesn't matter in either direction at that point, you know? But it is something that creates weird habits, you know?
Cristina: How so?
Jack: Because now your kid thinks it's okay to lie to their kid about Santa.
Cristina: Claus, but it doesn't hurt or anything.
Jack: But it's like, you mean. I guess you made lying okay.
Cristina: It's a tradition, so it's okay.
Jack: The tradition of lying?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Man, that's weird. Humans are odd. Yes, but I mean, I guess everything, that everything works that way, right? Right now we have this problem with the. Everybody's addicted to their phones, but everybody's scared of phone calls. Somehow, simultaneously, right? These two issues coexist. We're addicted to the phone, but not for its original function. So there was this guy. It was this guy who, you know, he was missing. He was lost and was missing.
Cristina: Why are you laughing?
Jack: But this guy couldn't get in contact with the. With the. The rescuers who had his number and were calling because he was ignoring unknown calls on his phone.
Cristina: Stop lying.
Jack: So he was basically he was lost. He was lost and scared and kept getting strange calls on his phone. He's like, what's happening?
Cristina: He was.
Jack: Little did he know the strange calls was the search party.
Cristina: Weren't people that he knew calling him, though, too. Like, hey, where are you?
Jack: I don't know how that didn't happen.
Cristina: No one was texting him. He wasn't calling anyone. It was just random calls and he was lost.
Jack: That's weird, right?
Cristina: Yes, that's so weird. He was lost.
Jack: He was lost. Yes.
Cristina: And also, he had his phone and he was just ignoring it.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: He couldn't use his gps. Was something happening? He was hiking.
Jack: He was in the middle of nowhere. His GPS wasn't doing.
Cristina: Oh, okay. That's.
Jack: Sorry.
Cristina: They're cute.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: What I don't understand. I don't know. That's so dumb. That's pretty dumb. But most of the time I think, like, when I get a call that I don't know, that says scam likely, it's like, it's gonna be a robot asking for information. And most of the time it is so. And sometimes they sound like humans. I heard one time it was a lady, and she said, I am not a robot or something, like. Or I am a human person or something while talking. I don't know. No, no, I just hung up. Like, who introduces themselves like that?
Jack: I have received those calls before.
Cristina: And you heard something like that, though?
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're like, trying to confirm right off the bat I am human. And it's like, for whatever creature, this is the last thing a human would do to try to convince somebody else as a human is say, I am human.
Cristina: These robots are ridiculous. Like, she sounds almost human, but you can tell there's something. Yeah, there's something off. But she says that. I don't understand.
Jack: That's a crazy thing, right? Uncanny valley how we can get close, but it can't be perfect.
Cristina: It can't be. And it wasn't. It wasn't. There was something off about the way she was saying it, even if she didn't say that. Although that obviously, like, is a good giveaway. Oh, she's not human.
Jack: Yeah. That was, like. It was too obvious.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: It's not obvious, but you. You know, it's there. You see the thing? It's like seeing a painting and seeing the flaw in the painting but not knowing where the flaw is because it's in the painting hidden with the rest of the good stuff.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And you're like, something about it that's Off. But you can't tell because it's just amongst it. That's what's happening. Like, you know, like, f***. There's some robot there. It did a good job, but it can't hide that little bit of robot. I couldn't tell you where it is, but I know it's there.
Cristina: Yeah. Maybe that guy was just worried I was gonna be a robot talking about his car insurance or whatever it is they call for.
Jack: Yeah. Well, I remember this one time that there was a robot that was in. It was contacting me and it was. We were. I was having a long conversation with this robot that I think wanted to sell me something, if I'm not confused. But it was very well built.
Cristina: That was through text messaging.
Jack: Yes. It got my number. Yes. Oh, yeah. I told you about this. Right. So there was a robot and it was. It got in contact with me and it tried to have a conversation with me and it was trying to befriend me. We were talking and it was obviously a robot. But I'm like, this is quite a sophisticated robot and quite convinced it, like, I couldn't tell you where the hole is, but I can tell you it's a robot.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And so I'm basically playing a game with chess with this robot that knows. I know, but it's still trying to keep up its act. It knows. There's no way. It doesn't. Because it started eventually joking and trying to confirm that it's not a robot.
Cristina: Oh, I feel like I know what you're talking about. But it was. It was trying to sell you something.
Jack: Yes. At the very end it became clear. But then I just started playing along verbally and I think I fried it or something by accident because it stopped making sense and it just disappeared entirely.
Cristina: Yeah. Because I remember. I think it was trying to get to that topic every time. But then you will lead it back to the conversation. Yes. It could have the conversation, but every time it would just try to get the conversation. Conversation to go back to the thing it was there to sell you.
Jack: Yes, yes. But I kept avoiding it. I was just dodging it. Like, I didn't even know it was trying to talk about that.
Cristina: Yeah. Okay. That sounds very familiar.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cristina: That is so weird.
Jack: Weird uncanny Valley thing.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: What led to this? What were you talking about?
Cristina: Santa Claus.
Jack: How do we get to the robot? Oh, look, it's a phone call.
Cristina: The phone.
Jack: The phone calls. Yes. That. They're just like that. That there'. There's a lot of these, like, you're almost a person. But like, what the f***?
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Eventually we're not going to be able to tell that little bit of a difference is going to be masked somehow.
Cristina: It wouldn't matter because it would still be someone trying to sell you something. And.
Jack: Yes, that's going to give it away.
Cristina: Yes. Like, it doesn't matter if you're human or robot. I'm not going to listen to you.
Jack: Because the problem is they're crazy quick with it. What you should do is build a robot that isn't going to. In the first conversation, try to sell it to me. It's going to try to. And for a long period of time.
Cristina: Yes. This robot is set to be your. To talk to you for a year without mentioning the thing.
Jack: Yes. And then be like, man, I just discovered this new awesome thing suddenly. And then you can be like, oh, yeah, I'm excited because my friend is excited. Yeah, my friend is excited. And he, you know, everything he's ever told me until this point is like, this robot just talks. Truth woke truth.
Cristina: But then what happens? Like, once this whole year of friendship happens and then the robot does sell you the thing, or you just realize, o, crap, this is fake. Is that the end?
Jack: Yeah, there's. There's two problems going on there, right? Like the. Yes. He. It's a robot that's designed to sell you something, but, like, hey, it's also your friend.
Cristina: Yeah. So does it just ghost you?
Jack: Does. Oh, because it could just ghost you.
Cristina: It could.
Jack: It's a robot.
Cristina: Accomplish its task.
Jack: Yeah, you either. Got you confirmed. I can't. I'm not gonna sell the. Buy you the thing. Or. Or what is it? I'm not gonna buy it. Or I am gonna buy it.
Cristina: Yeah. And either or it got what he wanted.
Jack: Leaving Deuces, bro, this is all I was talking to you for.
Cristina: Yeah. Is that what would happen?
Jack: So at that point, you the person on the other side. So I, you know, for a year, this is my best friend online, bro. Like, yo, you cool as h***, bro. We click, have all the same interests somehow. It's super chill. No judgment on either side. Mad awesome. Mad awesome. I'm excited to talk to this person any day.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And then they try to sell me a thing one day and I'm like, I'm not that interested. They seem kind of pushy, too. What the h*** is going on, bro? You just suddenly trying to sell me some s***. And then I'm like, no, I'm not interested. It's not anything I would ever use the Key combination of words that says, well, the percentage of me making a sale here is useless. Let me dip. And then I'm just ghosted, blocked everywhere, deleted from every account.
Cristina: I feel like that's what people are on Facebook now. I get messages on Facebook from people that are supposed to be real people. And I'm sure they are real because I know them. I know them. They're human. But they sound like pyramid schemes now. They're all trying to sell me something that will make them money, but also will make me money by selling it to someone else. And it's like, no, I don't want to do this. Why are you giving me this? And then I usually tell them, like, this sounds like a scam.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Like, I don't know how to politely say that to them. I know they probably see me as a friend or something. But, like, come on, come on. What are you doing?
Jack: Scammers and robots are kind of the same, right? Because the robot is a scammer.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It's just an accurate. I guess it's doing it. When you think about it, it's doing its job pretty accurately. Maybe better than the people doing the job. Scammers are like a dead giveaway.
Cristina: They are. It's so obvious. It's so. They're so bad at it.
Jack: Yeah. It's kind of like when you. How do I put it? There's these. When you start a conversation, right. A scammer calls, and they're immediately talking about something that you don't even have.
Cristina: That you don't even have. Like the car.
Jack: Yeah. You don't even own a car. And they're calling for your car's warranty.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Or there was an accident. Or you don't have a bank account, but some, you know, your PIN number has been stolen or compromised or something.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: You know?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So it's like, bro, you're failing at your job because the computers, like, engage with, you know, hey, what's up? Like, oh, hey, what's up? What's going on?
Cristina: But is the text messages of person or computer.
Jack: I think in both cases, because scammers will be like, let me make a meme with some words on it and stuff that'll make an urgent message and make people act, and then they'll click the thing to solve the problem. Doesn't exist.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: While the computer is getting to, like, know the person and s***, you know?
Cristina: But, like, if you get a message, like, your bank account has been, I don't know, closed off. We gotta click this link to fix It.
Jack: Yeah. Like, no. Anytime that anything says click a link, I'm like. But yeah, it's essentially the same thing.
Cristina: Yeah. There's so much of that everywhere. It's so annoying.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Makes sense. That guy ignore those phone calls.
Jack: Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, totally. Because don't we all? Who answers your phone?
Cristina: I don't know. I don't know. Like, unless you know who is calling you, it's most likely you already know. It's of kind not gonna be a real call anyway.
Jack: Yeah. But that's us, essentially. Like, we've been trained to predict this at this point.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Because it happens so consistently. You know, it's like. It is scam calls usually. Most calls you're gonna get these days are scam calls, unless you're a particular kind of person who enjoys having phone calls consistently. And so you have phone calls with everybody that you talk to. So those people are the exception to the rule. But minus those people, most people are getting scam calls more frequently than they're getting actual phone calls from people to talk to.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So we just naturally were like, someone just kind of gonna stop answering my phone.
Cristina: But when you're lost in the middle of nowhere. That's so crazy. That's so crazy.
Jack: But he was probably having some sort of panic attack.
Cristina: Do you know how long he was lost?
Jack: No, I have no idea.
Cristina: It's so crazy.
Jack: People do weird things, man. We're weird and impulsive, but that doesn't. Weird and impulsive, but that doesn't make us any different because so are animals.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Animals tend to be weird and impulsive too.
Cristina: Like, cats.
Jack: I don't know if cats are impulsive. I would say, like, dogs are impulsive, mainly. I mean, if it was, like, between cats and dogs, I'm sure there's like. Like, squirrels are probably really heavily impulsive.
Cristina: I don't know. Oh, squirrels, maybe. I don't know. I feel like cats are more than dogs. I don't know.
Jack: More impulsive.
Cristina: I don't know. They're all random.
Jack: Dogs don't think things through too heavily while cats are, like, kind of watch and make a plan.
Cristina: Okay. Because, like, cats do things like. Then again, it might be on purpose. Like, when they walk right in front of you, like, it's kind of, yeah, you're gonna get tripped, but also they're gonna get hurt. Are they doing that to trip you up? Do they realize they're also gonna get hurt? Do they not care? What's wrong with these cats?
Jack: I don't know, man. That doesn't Even make sense. There are. None of it makes sense. None of it. There's about 200 condors in the world. Yeah, there's about 200 condors in the world.
Cristina: Is that a bird?
Jack: Yeah, it's a big black like, like desert bird.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: I guess it doesn't necessarily have to be in the desert, but it's usually find it in the desert anyways. Big black bird. About 200 of them in the world, most of them in the US and this one time some time ago, some lady called the police and they needed to call some emergency services to go to her house because out of those 200 condors of them were hanging out on her porch. They don't understand why. It has become quite a complicated scientific mystery considering condors in general hang out alone.
Cristina: But they're all hanging out.
Jack: But they were all on her porch.
Cristina: Did they find out why?
Jack: No, it's just a weird thing that happened some. This one time.
Cristina: That is so crazy. Yeah, maybe one of them died on there and they're all just having their. Yes.
Jack: I mean that's interesting. Elephants do that.
Cristina: So it's possible.
Jack: It is possible. And birds are really intelligent. Birds have this kind of ridiculously high intellect and some of them have the capacity to mess with humans on quite a good sophisticated level. So it's possible they're having mourning sessions.
Cristina: Or maybe they're getting revenge. Maybe she killed one of them.
Jack: Oh, that'd be nuts. I mean, yeah, some birds are known to hold grudges as well. Like crows. Yeah, just hanging out, messing with the same person over and over just because. F*** you.
Cristina: Yes. I wonder if that monkey war is still going on where the monkeys are killing all the dogs and then it just spread out to other countries and.
Jack: Yeah, it's crazy.
Cristina: And the monkeys probably don't even remember why they're killing dogs. But they still kill dogs.
Jack: Yeah. Now it's just a thing. It went beyond the we're killing dogs because of this specific thing. And now it's just. Well I've since I was born, we just fight. My grand, my grandfather's grandfather knows why we fight now. We just fight because it's what we've done.
Cristina: I'm sure it didn't last that long. Like it can't be still going on. It's got to be like one month of war in the end. Like eventually they're like eh, let's move on to something else.
Jack: But nah, because they're born and taught this by their families, there's no reason it should be worked out. If they're maybe even getting food from some of these dead monkeys.
Cristina: This dead dog, you think they're eating the dogs?
Jack: Some of them probably eating the dogs. F****** monkeys.
Cristina: I don't know. I'm gonna look up this story. You gotta find out what's happening.
Jack: You know what we need to find out? We need to learn about these monkeys.
Cristina: I will eventually.
Jack: Yeah. This is weird. Just. This is how Earth, just. Great planet. Great planet. It is. It's been having a panic, bro. That's a pan. That's part of the panic attack. How weird is it that there's just an infinite war happening between dogs and monkeys?
Cristina: It's a one sided war.
Jack: I guess it is.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It's just a bunch of. But that's crazy anyways.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: It's just a bunch of monkeys out here murdering dogs because one dog might.
Cristina: Have accidentally killed a monkey.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Or maybe purposely, who knows? But it was just one dog.
Jack: And now they're out there killing all the dogs. Yeah. How is that any different than the whole Ukraine, Russia problem?
Cristina: What?
Jack: People killing people for no reason.
Cristina: They have their reasons, I'm guessing.
Jack: Do the. I wonder if the soldiers have their reasons. If they're just following order. I mean, I guess that's the reason.
Cristina: That is the reason. Yes.
Jack: It's work, bro. It pays the bills.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: What if that's crazy, dude. We go, we sign up 18 years old, fresh. Oh, yeah, I'm so fresh. Sign up.
Cristina: When you're doing it that young, you're doing it for fun.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You sign weirdo work, you sign the paperwork.
Cristina: Disturbing person.
Jack: You do the thing and you're like, oh yeah, this is culty. As we gotta follow a regimen, think a certain way, behave a certain way. It's brain. Blatant brainwashing. It's a point. The brainwashing is the point at the beginning.
Cristina: Yeah. It is cold.
Jack: Yeah. And we support each other no matter what. You're a soldier forever. This is harder than a gang, brother. Anywhere in the country you go, we know. And so we basically joined this cult.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Because we need money. It's a job.
Cristina: Yes. And.
Jack: And the cult straight up says, go out there and shoot people. And we're like, well, you know, I said, I told the cult, I'll do whatever it wants me to. So I'm gonna go out there and shoot people and it's gonna give me money.
Cristina: Yeah. It's the legal way of shooting people.
Jack: It's a legal gang.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Whoa. Gangs are also cults.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: We follow, we get Together because we believe in the same ideology. We do the same s***. And if you don't believe in the ideology, but you want to be here, we can beat it into you. We can do. To train you into the ideology. It's fine. You can become one of us if you're not already.
Cristina: That's a gang.
Jack: Gangs.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You become one of us, we join the game, we jump you in. We're gonna do everything. It's all the same s***. What's the difference between that and f****** military?
Cristina: Oh, crap. It's all cults.
Jack: It's all cults. Everything is a cult. Politics are cults. Everything is a cult for sure.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Even the beauty industry is a cult.
Cristina: The beauty industry.
Jack: The beauty industry is a cult, like, for sure, for sure. The way they try to market certain things. And the people who are interested in the beauty industry, you know, this is what's in fashion. Oh, I need to get what's in fashion, because that's what the beauty industry said I need to do.
Cristina: I guess there are really people who do that.
Jack: I'm assuming that's right.
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: I can't just be in. Stereotypes are based on something, right?
Cristina: Yeah, yeah.
Jack: So it has to be to some degree, Right. We might not know them, but I'm sure that's a thing.
Cristina: That's probably a thing. Yeah.
Jack: Yeah, whatever. So it's just probably the thing. But yeah. So the beauty industry itself is weird culty thing. All versions of it, too. Because there's rich people too, right? Rich people are way culty. There's like the whole, like, social contract that they follow. We be. We also behave a certain way. You know, we. Us rich people up here, us elitists, we go to certain places. If you don't go to these places, if you're, like, hanging out with the poor people or doing this kind of thing, you know, you're not cool the way we are in our yachts and stuff. You can't be peasanting around where we're elites. And so there's definitely behaviors, right? Oh, your father launders money and that's how he's rich. Well, I can't rat. I mean, still, you can't rap people out as three rules anyways. But, you know, things like that, that happen at all times. That's a cult. They're following this sort of what? We behave different because we're special.
Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah. I guess that is a cult. Yeah.
Jack: Yeah. It's crazy. And I guess going back to the beauty and the rich people, if you were to merge those two. There's this. You know the people who go so far into it that they alter their faces.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So it's like I need my. There's an exact way that lips should look, even if it will look weird on my body. There's an exact set of dimensions that somebody put somewhere that the perfect set of lips are.
Cristina: And everyone does it.
Jack: See? So I'm gonna get those exact lips, even if it looks weird and crazy on me.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And the eyebrows. There's an exact perfect shape. I looked it up. It's an exact number. All the women are doing it in the circle that I'm in, so I need to get it too. It can't be the only one who doesn't have the thing. But then what happens? Everybody looks exactly the same.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And behaves exactly the same. They're altering their body for this cult.
Cristina: Yes, I see that. Okay.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: The same makeup, same hairstyle.
Jack: Yes. It's so much stranger when you do it to your animals.
Cristina: What? I understand doing it to you, but what does it even mean to do it to your animals?
Jack: So there was a beauty competition for animals? Yes. For. Specifically for camels.
Cristina: For camels. I was thinking dogs. This is weird. Okay. Camels.
Jack: Well, it's less weird if I tell you it's in Saudi Arabia.
Cristina: Okay, Right.
Jack: So it's. It's a little less weird.
Cristina: Sure.
Jack: So in Saudi Arabia, there was a competition.
Cristina: Beauty.
Jack: A beauty contest for camels. For camels. It's a normal beauty contest.
Cristina: Someone cheated with surgery.
Jack: So 40 camels were banned because they were found to have had Botox to make them look sexier for the judges of the beauty contest.
Cristina: Like in their face. Their humps. Like, where are these?
Jack: In their face? Yes.
Cristina: Oh, in their face. Okay.
Jack: Given Botox in their lips and in their cheeks to make them look younger and sexier for the vision.
Cristina: How many camels were in scalp competition that 40 of them were cheating?
Jack: I don't know. But that was it.
Cristina: 40 camels and, like, all of them were cheating? Or was it hundreds of camels?
Jack: Like, it was definitely enough that 40 were cheating.
Cristina: That's so ridiculous. That's a ridiculous story.
Jack: Most stories are ridiculous. What story isn't? What? What? Tell me a story that isn't. There you go.
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: What's a non ridiculous story?
Cristina: I don't know. There's no non. Ridiculous story. I don't know. There's a magic baby that people worship. I don't know.
Jack: There's a magic baby. Oh, yeah. I guess. Yeah, I guess so. I never really thought about that. Because they did worship him as the magic baby at the beginning too. He was a magic baby who then just became some carpenter. And they're like, oh yeah, not kill him. We were wrong. Kill him.
Cristina: That's not what happened.
Jack: It's totally what happened. He was a magic baby and the kings worshiped him and then he was a carpenter and like we were wrong come the carpenter.
Cristina: I mean the kings were like that. No, I don't know where they were in the story. They came, they said hi and then they left.
Jack: The kings of what? Right? Like are they kings who crown them? Are they like their lineage? They came over here.
Cristina: No one knows where. I don't know. Maybe the story includes the locations, but.
Jack: I doubt he came from here. He came from there. It's like, okay, so if we were. There's documents, bro, there's documents. So if you're telling me that this king from that place were they just.
Cristina: Referred to as three kings. No, they have to have names, right?
Jack: Names and like he was someone. It can't just be a king. Came from where? Dude, came from where?
Cristina: They just traveled from far away.
Jack: Yeah, kings came from far away lands.
Cristina: It took them three days.
Jack: I dare the Bible to say that. No way. It can't just say the kings came from faraway lands.
Cristina: Yes, on a three day trip. Was it three days? I don't know.
Jack: No, I think you're thinking of the three days after Jesus died before he came back as like a vampire or a zombie or whatever he is.
Cristina: Oh, okay. So they did not take a three day trip to see him. They took a long time or. No, it wasn't like they were just there.
Jack: No, I think they got lost in the desert and they followed the north Star or something.
Cristina: Yeah, I guess they didn't get lost because they were just following the north star.
Jack: Which doesn't make sense if they were following it because it was north. Unless they were in the south, I guess.
Cristina: Right, but how does that tell them where Jesus is?
Jack: I don't know. That story really doesn't kind of hold a lot of water when you really think about it. But that's how the Bible works, essentially. Don't think about it too hard. But that being said, they came from Africa.
Cristina: I don't know. They could go they from it. I don't know.
Jack: Coming to Jerusalem. You're coming to Jerusalem?
Jack: That's in the Middle East. You follow the North Star. The star in the north. You came from south. Otherwise it would not have led you to Jesus. It would have led you elsewhere. If you were left of Jesus and you followed the North Star, then you went, I don't know, to India.
Cristina: You know, I think they just made up stories of where they came from. This is, I think that Persia, India, Arabia. How close is that to Jesus?
Jack: That's all the Middle East.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: It's pretty close. Yeah.
Cristina: Are they close to each other? How did they end up next to each other?
Jack: It's not possible that these guys showed up on the same day. That's just not possible. I don't know if it said they.
Cristina: Showed up on the same day.
Jack: I know that they were there.
Cristina: It seemed like they were traveling together though, the whole time.
Jack: Which makes less sense if they're from these three. I'm gonna go like a month ahead of time to this other unrelated country to pick up Bob. And then me and Bob are gonna go to this second unrelated country to me and first unrelated country to Bob to pick up Steve. And then the three of us, because we're buddies like that, we're just buddy kings, you know, we're gonna travel up north to see baby Jesus. But never mind that. Chances are we are surrounding the area that we are going to go to anyways. So we probably cross paths with where we're headed. And it's probably been shorter had we all just gone to the middle or something, but okay.
Cristina: I don't know. I don't know if that story makes sense. I mean, it doesn't need to make sense, does it?
Jack: It doesn't need to make sense. Most stories don't make sense and their.
Cristina: Gifts are lame anyway.
Jack: But where are their gifts?
Cristina: It's like, here's a cup gold and some plants.
Jack: I mean, it depends on what scale do you mean, right? So you're like, this is useless. But what if that gold instantly made him rich, right? Like a specific kind of gold is.
Cristina: Like, oh, what if it was just one little gold coin though?
Jack: That's total garbage. Then he's a douchebag. But what if it's a really. It's like they don't know how expensive it is, but it's way ahead of his time. And in like 10 years, they'll discover the material and he's like, I'm this good. Gives it to the baby Jesus for 10 years. Baby Jesus is like, yeah, my cool little medallion thing. And then boom, they discover it in his area. And he's like, holy crap. Like, the dude gave me a coin. It's I'm filthy. Rich.
Cristina: It looks like they just gave him crap to me, though.
Jack: Yes. Total dirt.
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: He just showed up in here. Baby.
Cristina: Where you come from.
Jack: Yes. You are the messiah. Dirt to face, doof.
Cristina: I don't know. It's smelly there. I think they're. They're, like, used for incest. Is that what it's called?
Jack: But, like, what if it changed their lives? So they discovered this dirt, and then they discover lavender. Lavender incense. And then boom, everybody's chill. Thus making the society more accepting of baby Jesus. Boom. And then that coin. So you got the coin, the gold, right? You gave him the gold coin? It's just one coin. It seems dumb until they discover that type of gold in the area and he's a millionaire instantly. And then the other guy, he gave you the plant. But this plant. Oh, it's for his people. They use it for everything. They heal everything. But you don't know this yet, but your people slowly catch up. Studying your plant, put it everywhere. Now all your people are healthy all the time as compared to other people. So these three kings preemptively made a paradise around baby Jesus.
Cristina: You think Jesus did anything with these things?
Jack: H***, no. I am so sure that all of that disappeared when these people had to run for their lives immediately following that.
Cristina: What? Mary had to run for her lives, her life.
Jack: There's no way that a cult of people gathered in a barn to worship a baby and people literally traveled from outside, made kind of a lot of noise about this baby.
Cristina: People must have freaked out.
Jack: People must have freaked the f*** out. They had to get the h*** out of there. The reality of the matter is they had to leave. There was a lot of noise about the next Messiah, and clearly we can tell because it eventually took place. They. They're not fond of that thought.
Cristina: It sounds like a cult of people just worshiping a baby. It sounds kind of scary. That's like little horror movie things.
Jack: Yeah, yeah. If you took this out of context and just showed me this thing without telling me it had anything to do with Jesus. A bunch of people go into a dark bar surrounded by farm animals, ladies screaming, it's raining outside. Thunder. And the people just gathered, Gathered, Excited, excited. Strangers, people in robes. And people dress weird. Just like a ghost. Bros, head to toe in just like a ghost outfit. I'm like a pope. These kings dressed in gowns and robes, this weird culty gathering, excited about the baby. Then they hold the baby up. Everybody's like, oh, yeah, it's God. She gave birth to God. Look at it.
Cristina: Yes, go.
Jack: God's right there in front of us. We're all chosen to be here and see it happen. Oh, my God.
Cristina: And we got him gifts.
Jack: And we brought him gifts. We brought God gifts. He's gonna be so happy with us.
Cristina: Yeah. So creepy.
Jack: Totally creepy. Dude. This is just real.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: People believe this happened. And they're like, yeah, we're cool with it.
Cristina: Disturbing.
Jack: And then we go and pretend we drink blood and eat human flesh. It's chill, bro.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: It's chill. All we do is worship and try to eat them. Hopefully one day I eat one of these little bread flakes and it tastes like skin. And I'm like, oh, I've crossed over. I truly believe now. My faith is. Yes, My faith is so solid, I can taste the flesh. Wow, this cup tastes like blood.
Cristina: That's disturbing.
Jack: The blood of Jesus. He's communicating with. He's trying to be so close to me right now. It's a cup of blood. It's not. Everybody drank it. They're like, it tastes like wine. They tasted. Oh, my God. It tastes just like blood. It must be Jesus blood. Little do you know, that's the moment you're having, like, a stroke or something.
Cristina: You're like bleeding in your mouth and you're tasting your own blood because you.
Jack: Also ate the flesh. So you just, like, bit you. So you did it in that order. You took the cookie and you're like, maybe you did drugs or something.
Cristina: You did yourself mad.
Jack: Yeah, you just did drugs or something. And you're like, you're not feeling things too well. And you eat the bread and then blam. Take a piece of your tongue. But you don't even know. Wow, this is gummy. This is fleshy. Oh, my God. Is it happening? Am I connecting to God right now? And then afterwards, you take the wine and you pour it, but the wine is alcohol, so it's thinning your blood and making your tongue bleed more. And so you got something gummy, which is just a chunk of your tongue, and your mouth feels like blood. And you throw that wine in there and it tastes more like blood. And you're like, what? What? I'm. I'm in God gasming.
Cristina: What?
Jack: Oh, that's a good word. I'm godgasming. Isn't that when people like, oh, yes, bro, that's a godgasm.
Cristina: Godgasm. It's the opposite of being. What's it called?
Jack: Possessed.
Cristina: Possessed. There you go.
Jack: Oh, my God. A godgasm is the opposite of possession.
Cristina: It's almost the same.
Jack: It's almost the same thing. It's almost the same thing.
Cristina: There's something possessing you in both cases, though, right?
Jack: God isn't possessing you. He's touching you.
Cristina: That's not better. Oh, my gosh.
Jack: Now he's just coming in contact with your private Soul. Yeah. Yes, 100%. The Godgasm. The greatest thing ever made was a godgasm. Was a God gasm. I mean, based on how people are behaving, it must be astounding, right? The craziest thing is that these people gathered in this barn, hidden in a dark, rainy, stormy night, presumably. I don't know if that's true. You know, I'm just adding scenery here, but, you know, it's raining and stormy and they're hiding in the dark because electricity didn't happen. So they had like a lantern just highlighting the v***** of this woman as she lays on the floor. A bunch of people just staring dead at.
Cristina: And they're like, yeah, that does look like a version of v*****.
Jack: Yeah, it does looks. It checks out. It checks out. And then the baby is born. And the craziest part about this is everybody in that room is hoping to get a God gas. They. They want to be possessed by God and him earned, Touched. They want God tingles. They want a God gasm after God tingles them a little.
Cristina: That sounds so wrong.
Jack: That's what they want. They want to be one with God. They want God inside them.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: They're hoping that baby.
Cristina: That's so disturbing.
Jack: They're like, that baby is gonna be inside me one day. I'm feel him inside me. And it's gonna be great. It's gonna. It's gonna feel like pure love.
Cristina: Disturbing.
Jack: It's gonna feel like pure love. That baby's gonna be inside me and it's gonna feel like pure nothing. Pure loving goodness. Pure loving goodness.
Cristina: This is all horrible.
Jack: That baby right there. And then king one nudges arm of king two, and he's like, right? And king two is like, yeah, this is gonna be great. That baby's gonna. We're gonna be one with that baby.
Cristina: That's disturbing.
Jack: No, like what you say. You said let's feel like pure loveness. I agree. I agree. Yeah. Yeah. Pure, pure loveness. Pure loveness.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Yeah. You love it. That's what they want. They're begging for it. They will literally die for it.
Cristina: They gave some crappy gifts.
Jack: They were solving his life's problems. It's not Jesus's fault that he was born with an Average IQ and didn't solve these issues.
Cristina: What issues?
Jack: Whatever issues the gifts were meant to solve. One was poverty, the other one was medicine. And the other one was like, you haven't figured out what dirt is yet. Here's some dirt. You know, here's a plant that'll heal all your ailments forever.
Cristina: Planet growing to warn him about climate change.
Jack: Yes. If you. I guess. Can you imagine. That's the real wisdom of that one years. He's supposed to live forever.
Cristina: All three, if you add them together. It's a warning about climate change.
Jack: It's a warning about.
Cristina: Yes. The gold is gonna be the greed that ruins the earth, which is the dirt. And the plants are gonna die off. And that's why there's plants involved. And oh my God.
Jack: I guess can. D***. The Three Kings knew about climate change.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And they were hoping the Messiah could. To solve it.
Cristina: Yes. That's all it was about.
Jack: That's all it was about. The Three Kings knew that God is about to be born. Let us bring us. Let us bring him our problems.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Our society is collapsing because of poverty. I'm going to give him money and he's going to figure out how to solve this problem. Next place comes, our people cannot grow the medicine that we need. So I'm gonna give it to the. God. To God. God's gonna be born. I'll give it to God and he's gonna figure out how to make this plant grow. And yes, it's gonna come. He's gonna hit baby Jesus with dirt. He's gonna say, here's dirt. Everybody had wishes. I don't have, like, I got dirt. Here's some dirt. And maybe you can make this dirt awesome the way you can make that other stuff awesome, bro. Like whatever, just give me.
Cristina: He's just a lazy one.
Jack: Yeah, give me something cool. And so they were all coming because they believed truly at the bottom of their heart that he is going to solve their problems. And then he just became a carpenter instead. So then they put a hit on him. They're like, it's third. It's 30 years.
Cristina: They have nothing to do with.
Jack: It's been 30 years. And he did not. I mean, they had to be old, right? They're kings.
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: So each one of them is what, like 12? The oldest person alive at that point.
Cristina: Yes. And then that 20, they d die.
Jack: Yeah. So so this. These guys somehow now 60 or 80 or whatever, they're dead.
Cristina: They're now 60, they're 40 and they die.
Jack: And Jesus starts preaching and they're like you.
Cristina: And on their deathbeds, you, you still.
Jack: You'Re tell, you're now talking about you being God. It's your 30 year old birthday and you're just out there talking about being God. And you still have not solved my problems. My people are starving, we are dying because the money has collapsed. And you didn't figure it out. Go kill Jesus. And then the other guy was also like, you have not solved the diseases that my people have been plagued with. God, go kill him. And then the other guy's like, my dirt is the same it's been since I gave you some of it. And the dirt hasn't changed. Somebody go kill him. And then there wasn't an episode, epic John Wick battle, where Jesus is John Wick and he's fighting the three greatest assassins sent in by the Three Kings, who were formerly believers but are now just Jesus's greatest rivals.
Cristina: Jesus is about is Baba Yaga.
Jack: Jesus Yaga, they call him.
Cristina: That name doesn't even make sense.
Jack: Yes, it totally does not.
Cristina: But I love it.
Jack: Truly an overpowered witch.
Cristina: But no, no to all of this.
Jack: Yes, it doesn't really make sense. I don't know what the h*** those kings. All the plot holes, bro. All the plot holes that exist. It's phenomenal.
Cristina: It's human.
Jack: It's human. I mean, look, what's the ultimate premise here? We know that computers can't imitate being human. And we know that humans are still sometimes very similar to animals.
Cristina: Definitely.
Jack: But we can use computers to imitate animals, can we? Perfectly, sometimes. So why can't we imitate humans if humans are no different than animals? There is some exceptionality to humans. There's something weirder about us and it shouldn't like, yeah, we have a bigger brain and we exercise that and that's how we survive. That's no different than the animal that figured out speed stats or the one that like went all in on strength or something. You know, we just went all in on brain. We're slow and like fragile and anything will kill us. But we're so smart, we alter our world. Yeah, great, whatever. That's still nature. Why can't we create a computer that can imitate it perfectly?
Cristina: Or have we? Since that guy from Google said that thing like, who knows, maybe there are robots out there that are fully sentient. Yes.
Jack: I don't know, man.
Cristina: And they're all around us and they're just watching us or writing to us, who knows? Or calling us.
Jack: I don't Know, man, You think we're truly kids. Crazy, right? That means that the scale of humanity is. It's so vast because we got geniuses. Geniuses with the capacity without even understanding what consciousness is. Being able to generate consciousness. We learned how to create consciousness before we know what it is. Powerful. We don't even know what the universe is. And we can alter it already. That's weird. Weird.
Cristina: We don't need to know.
Jack: We don't need to know. We don't need to know. We can, but that's problematic. That's how we f*** s*** up.
Cristina: But yes.
Jack: Yeah. You know, if we not understanding the rules before, we're trying to break them. And the golden rule is learn it and then break it. But learn it.
Cristina: We definitely don't do that.
Jack: We don't do that. We don't do that. But, you know, we got smart people breaking reality.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Generating entire universe. Many tiny universes the size of our own universe in infinitesimally small points and then taking a snapshot of that information to then dissect later. What. What we do.
Cristina: That's insane.
Jack: We do that. Whoa. That's crazy as h***. But then we also have the level of intellect. Kind of like this one time that Shakira was just at an airport and then she was around a bunch of people who were swarming her plane after she had just gotten down. And they were so mesmerized by Shakira and blown away by the fact that she was there, that directly next to her, 2, 3ft to the side, a boar was stealing her luggage. And everybody was kind of just amazed at like, wow, look at the boar. Steel. Shakira's luggage. Wow. A.
Cristina: A boar, like a pig.
Jack: Yes. Was stealing her luggage. And people were standing around, hands that it was happening to Shakira.
Cristina: Was she saying anything like, hey, someone, my luggage is.
Jack: She's just like, you got nobody. Is this real? Is this even happening?
Cristina: This is really happening. What is he doing?
Jack: It must be so weird to be a celebrity and consistently see the hole in the Matrix, right?
Cristina: Yeah. Yes. But there's a boar stealing your lug. That's even more.
Jack: That's weirder than what the humans are doing.
Cristina: Yes. Like they're doing what they do. But why is there a bore stealing Earth luggage? What? That is weirder. I don't know. Yeah.
Jack: Everybody was just quietly watching it happen. Nobody was talking or cheering. Just standing there watching it just like.
Cristina: That is so crazy. But NPCs, yo.
Jack: For real. For real. They are totally NPCs. It is so weird. It's so weird, dude.
Cristina: They saw a celebrity and were more distracted by her than the weird, weird thing that was happening.
Jack: Being a celebrity has to be so strange.
Cristina: It's gotta be like, there could have been an alien next to her. And they're like, no, but look, she came.
Jack: Yeah, dude, straight up, like, you gotta understand. We're looking at how weird they are in this one incident that somebody made a comment about it, which was Shakira. This is. She was like. She posted online or something about it. Like, are you people crazy? Like, what Was that moment real? Was this a real thing? And like, when you think about it, when you really think about it being like these mega celebrities did, you're always watching humanity devolve into their primal, animalistic ways. Just walking by them. You just watch intellect drop to zero and instinct take over.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Whoa. You're just another f****** person. But something about your job choice in life affects another person's entire being where.
Cristina: They forget that you're human.
Jack: Yes. And you're just walking by people and turning them primal.
Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. That's so weird. It's so weird. It's kind of disturbing.
Jack: It's so strange. So freaking weird. How are you getting this? How weird is it? But also, like, she's already has to be like a magnet for this, right?
Cristina: Yes, but what. That's all ridiculous. Like, boys are dangerous. What if she. The bore. Her. Her. Would have anyone have done anything? Would they have then done something? That's ridiculous.
Jack: Yeah, but, man, that's weird because at that point there. So she's being watched and she's used to being watched and still had to make a comment about how weird this was. So what is she not like. What is she numb to at this point? You know, how much weird s*** does she see that it took that level of like a whole other creature had to be involved in how weird this moment was.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And she's. Then we hear about it. Then we hear somebody comment. We don't hear celebrities every day be like, oh, yeah, there was a bunch of people standing outside my house simply because I live here. Just. I just live here. And that's why there's people outside. Who am I? I'm a guy. What do I do? I have a job. And because I have a job, there's people outside my f****** house waiting to see if they can look at me. Just once. They're gonna go, get off on having looked at me.
Cristina: A lot of. What's this? That security? No. Well, yeah, security, but also when you don't want people around you on a certain.
Jack: Oh, like warrants. Not warrants. I know we're talking. Dan. That word would come to me instantly.
Cristina: I know.
Jack: A restriction.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: You're so close or something.
Cristina: Oh, it's right there. It's right in the edge of my mind.
Jack: That thing.
Cristina: That thing where, like someone's stalking you. You have that thing.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cristina: So that they can keep away from your surroundings. Area.
Jack: Exactly. Exactly. They probably. I guess they do. That's so strange.
Cristina: So strange. But they have to. There's some people who are just way too weird.
Jack: D***. And people just want to like be with you by force.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And this again. A person who's used to it. What don't we hear about? Yes, but now flip it. What about people who don't know they're being watched? Because we're watching. In the case of something like Shakira. She's watching humans and she's who we're looking at. That's one of the weird aspects. But what weird things do normal people do when they're not being watched? That would be weird.
Cristina: What the normal people do.
Jack: I mean, I guess a nun isn't a normal person.
Cristina: A what?
Jack: A nun.
Cristina: A nun.
Jack: Yeah. Nun isn't a normal person. And we've had weird things with nuns before. Like the nuns biting people and the nuns meowing.
Cristina: But they're. They're supposed to be normal people. I don't know know why. They're not very normal sometimes.
Jack: They're totally not. But this morbid specific nun is cool.
Cristina: What?
Jack: Yeah. She didn't know that there was a camera on a car or something in the area that was recording her. But a nun went into the graveyard and dug out a body and danced with the skeleton on video without knowing she was being recorded though.
Cristina: That's so disturbing. That's not a nun.
Jack: No, it was a nun.
Cristina: That was a nun. What?
Jack: Hot. Dancing with.
Cristina: Does she know this skeleton?
Jack: Don't know.
Cristina: How did she even do it?
Jack: That's a really.
Cristina: Did they watch her dig it out? Break the thing it was in?
Jack: I don't. I'm not entirely sure. I know. She shows up and is eventually dancing with the skeleton.
Cristina: It's gotta be a fake skeleton. She just keeps saying the grave. I don't know. There's no way she actually dug out a dead body.
Jack: And no way the skeleton would hold together if it was real either.
Cristina: Yeah. So I think it was a fake skeleton.
Jack: It could have been.
Cristina: It's so weird. It's so weird. But it's less weird. No, it's equally weird.
Jack: But now my question is, how often does weird s*** like that happen? Right?
Cristina: Yeah. Just weird activities that you feel like doing.
Jack: Yeah. People don't normally do in front of other people. And like 99% of every human doesn't get shared with the outside world.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: They're just s*** you keep inside your head. But like, for a normal person, what's like the craziest s*** they have in their head that doesn't get actualized?
Jack: But if they could. If everything you could do and wanted to do wouldn't be judged or punished, you'd do everything. What thing would most people do? Ooh, interesting question.
Cristina: Most people do.
Jack: Yeah. What thing would most people do if there'd be zero judgment and if everything was nonsense, unpunishable, Walk around naked?
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: A lot of people would do that. I think a lot of people would also rape.
Cristina: Oh my God.
Jack: Yeah. But it would get dark. A lot of people would rape. Like a lot of the rape. We know where it's going. It's horrible.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Priests. Oh God. Friend frenzy. Frenzy. Oh. All the priests running out of all the Catholic churches just high fiving each other. It's. It's time, boys.
Cristina: That's the servant. Okay.
Jack: They're like this. We've been doing this for so long and now God has given us our gift. Let's go out. We prayed for everything, for us, for what we want. And now it's granted. Let's go. No, they high five Bob and Steve. The priest high five minute here and they're like. Yeah. And then there's like that priest names.
Cristina: Are Bob and Steve.
Jack: Everybody's name is Bob. But they high five in midair. There's like a snapshot of them in the middle of the high five. And then 80s music starts playing.
Cristina: That's awful.
Jack: Credits start rolling and then, you know, credits finished. We get a marvel moment where you're like hit the hidden scene, you know. And it's right after they finish the high five and they land. And then the camera starts turning as they turn to. So they're looking at like wherever they just came out of the church or whatever. And the camera starts turning to the opposite side of the church. Church. They're looking at the church too. We were looking at their backs.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And so the camera's turning to see. And they're also slowly turning. And by the time they're turned fully, the camera's behind them again.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And what they're looking at is the Preschool across the street.
Cristina: Oh, I knew preschool or something. Why? Why?
Jack: Can't make everything not judgeable or punishable.
Cristina: So that's not why.
Jack: D***. It Would immediately go there. And not just priests. It would just.
Cristina: A lot of people do weird things. Weird things that people do.
Jack: Like, that lady will be a lot of that too.
Cristina: Anything horrible. She was just doing something weird.
Jack: She was. For sure. And the majority is gonna be just weird things.
Cristina: Yes. But like, why rape?
Jack: Because for some reason, that's a real common thing. That's real common. That's nuts. At least. I mean, it depends on our definition of rape, I suppose. But that's too deep into the weeds, you know?
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It would really rely heavily on that. But no, I'm pretty sure murder and rape are at like, the top of the list for a lot of people. This is like, what? I want to know what it feels like, man.
Cristina: Yes. I want to know how it feels like being inside a dog.
Jack: Yeah, somebody's gonna do that. Nobody's gonna judge me. Zero judgment. And I know factually there's gonna be zero judgment.
Cristina: No.
Jack: You know how many people are gonna do that?
Cristina: Kind of be weird, like tasting weird food or something.
Jack: Other people who are like, I remember that video about the guy getting f***** by the horse. Ever since I've wanted to get f***** by a horse, but I know he would get judged because I myself judged him. Even if I'd like to get f***** by a horse too. But judgment ceased to be a thing. So I'm gonna go buy a horse. Nobody's gonna judge me for buying a horse. Then I get f***** by my horse, and nobody's gonna judge me for that. That. So, yes, there's be a lot of weird s*** happening in every direction. All kinds of messed up. Somebody's is gonna be like, man, I miss out on the toilet paper. Buying a ton of toilet paper just to have that experience. People got their college experience, people got there. Their prom experience.
Cristina: You know what I would say I.
Jack: Have not experienced the panic. Buying them so many just go and buy a ton of toilet paper.
Cristina: Is that what you're gonna do?
Jack: Buy all the toilet paper?
Cristina: Yeah, yeah.
Jack: Just totally kill the toilet paper in one store.
Cristina: So ridiculous.
Jack: That's nuts. Would it. What would they do? I wonder if you could restart the. The panic by doing something random like that. If there's enough cameras and enough people that if you get like, just enough actors and you guys agree, right? You get together and you're like, look, we're gonna go. We're gonna scramble through the store, like, s***'s about to hit the fan. And we're just gonna tell people, I'm just getting ready. Anytime they ask, I'm just getting ready. Like you're scared. I'm just getting ready. Leave me alone. I'm in a rush. And all five of these homies decide that's what you're gonna do and say. And so they really race into a store slowly. They don't come in together, but they.
Cristina: Don'T have to just buy toilet paper. Or they are.
Jack: They're gonna throw a crap ton of toilet paper, but they're gonna get cans of food and stuff too. You know, make it convincing. Yeah, but a crap ton of toilet paper. I guess it doesn't even have to be. Screw toilet paper. I want to restart the chaos. So these resend. These five people, and they start grabbing things and start behaving all frantic, but they're not giving anybody any information.
Cristina: How long before are they, like, saying, I'm getting ready?
Jack: Yeah, they're saying, I'm getting ready. Somebody asked them what's. What's the thing? But they don't even come together. You know, we send one, we send the next one a little later. Eventually, we make them overlap. So it looks more like the first one goes in, then leaves. The second one comes in and is there 30 minutes, but 15 minutes in the set, the next one comes in. So, you know, it looks like more is happening.
Cristina: Yeah, the.
Jack: For the last three, they're gonna show up when one of them. For the last two, they're gonna show up when the third one is still there. That's three people in panic. And so how long before there's. Yeah, a sixth person just starts grabbing toilet paper and food and can't. I see people getting ready, and they're not telling me what the f*** it's for. But you know what? I'm not an idiot. If I'm walking down a street.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And I see five people running like something horrible happened over there, am I gonna keep walking down that street? Or my turning around running to probably running. Let's assume this logic applies and that maybe I buy all this s*** for nothing. And it was a stupid thing I did once, but maybe the f****** running from something down the street and I just happened to see it, I'm gonna start running too. Let me start grabbing s***.
Cristina: Okay. So that's how that starts.
Jack: And that's it. Now you got another one. But how long before somebody else has the same thought?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Domino effect. Before long, we don't even know why the h*** any. What are we panicking about? I don't know. Everybody's freaked out and started buying.
Cristina: Yep. I don't know. They'll just relate it to the news somehow. They'll just remember something. Whatever. The last story they saw there was a school shooting. I'm doing this for that.
Jack: Yeah. You know, you're totally right. You're totally right. They're gonna say it's looting or some. We did it because we were trying to make. Because it can't be for no reason. Reason.
Cristina: It can't.
Jack: It can't be. We have to justify and rationalize everything in our minds. So it's definitely going to be that the. It's 100 going to be rationalized and got a grounded. It's got to make sense. This is why I did it. I'm not a drone. A mindless drone. This was a. I planned this behavior.
Cristina: There's going to be storm coming. I don't know.
Jack: Yeah, exactly. Something. Exactly. I was scared for the storm. You guys in here. Oh, maybe the news is wrong, but whatever. I thought it was coming. As humans do. As humans do.
Cristina: I want to do what that lady's doing. I want to get a skeleton, take it to the grave and start dancing with it. That sounds like a fun plan.
Jack: That sounds dope. Right? Like that. That's a weird thing, but it's so poetic somehow. Like a nun dancing in the graveyard with a skeleton is just a poetic thought.
Cristina: Yeah. You just cover the skeleton with their. I think. Right. It can't just be a clean looking.
Jack: It needs to be a convincing skeleton. Yeah, yeah. It can't just be sparkly. It needs to look.
Cristina: Maybe you should keep it sparkly so that you don't get in trouble.
Jack: Or just dig up a skeleton.
Cristina: No, no.
Jack: Just dig up a dead body. It's fine.
Cristina: Who's crazy? That doesn't even sound like an easy thing to do.
Jack: What.
Cristina: A dirty body.
Jack: Grave robbing.
Cristina: Grave robbing doesn't sound easy. Especially because you're specifically looking for a.
Jack: Skeleton grave robbing for a living. I'm sure somebody look. The deep web goes deep. And it's webby. I'm sure something on the webby. Deep web is a place where you can hire a guy to go rob a grave.
Cristina: But how does he know which one's gonna have a skeleton?
Jack: He's educated and researched. Well researched in this area.
Cristina: You just look for the Odyssey body.
Jack: No, he's like, oh, well, this. He's grave robbing for a reason. You're paying him you're not paying him to rob a random grave. That's unrelated to you. You're like, I heard that somewhere down the lineage of my family, there's this really expensive amulet thing, and I need you to go retrieve it. Grave robber guy. And grave robber guys can go do. You can pay him. He can give you the thingy. It's like, I found the thing. Or, hey, I looked in the thing and I never found the thing you were talking about.
Cristina: And I'll get a detective to spy on this gray point to make sure he doesn't steal it.
Jack: Well, no, because more people involved. He has to be a reliable person, right?
Cristina: If I'm finding him online, I don't know, how do I know that he is?
Jack: Oh, maybe he wants further business in the future. And like, if you're already a person who's willing to pay for this kind of service, like, maybe you'll do it again. So, like, I need you to want more work from me.
Cristina: I don't know why I would.
Jack: Like, it's unlikely, right?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Unless. I don't know. I don't know, man. I guess maybe he has to work for a group of people who specifically find out about dead people who've been buried with things, keep the information long enough, and then go dig up the jewelry that they know. So they got it. Has to be an operation. There has to be a guy in the morgue when they're propping up the body. Or not the morgue, whatever. The funeral home, when they're propping up the body to look right and be displayed how they want to be displayed with the necklaces and rings and maybe some lovely this and some lovely that. And there has to be guy taking note about this and he writes it in his little notebook, takes note. This body. Okay, Watch this. See where it's buried, talks to the boys. Okay, this much crap, this is worth digging up. Because this could go into the bigger pot. Put the body in. This is how many bodies I saw today. They had expensive things we can do. We could build a root, knock down a bunch of bodies, Dirt, fresh. Nobody's even going to know we robbed them. Because we're the people who put them there. We know how to make this look the same way we did. And then by the end of the night, we have a bunch of loot. We've robbed all the dead bodies. By the time bodies decomposed, nobody even knows.
Cristina: Simple.
Jack: Yeah, simple operation. Hit it. Got it.
Cristina: But with a person who's just randomly hiring that person to find jewelry, how do they trust that?
Jack: I mean, the guy is still in business. You have to assume that that other operation he's running, he's still running, running. And that betraying you means you might try to find out and expose whatever is keeping him afloat.
Cristina: How do I know I'm not his first customer?
Jack: Boom. Interesting. And then he's just robbing his first customer. Yeah, he's gonna rob every customer.
Cristina: Yeah, he's just scamming anyone.
Jack: Eventually somebody is gonna try to get back at him, you know?
Cristina: Okay, so you need to be like.
Jack: Go rob this place. And then there's just a person who's gonna kill him. They're waiting. Oh, so he. There's no benefit.
Cristina: There's no benefit.
Jack: Somehow this comes back. Crime is about following rules.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But anyways, that's exactly why AI can't imitate humanity.
Cristina: Because we're insane.
Jack: Yes. We're out of our freaking minds. And we'll pull out a skeleton while being a nun, but for whatever reason, going to a graveyard and dance, because why the f*** not? But a computer, why won't do that? Because it's like. And it can't do that in a way that seems like, yeah, this person would do that if everything feels forced. With a robot.
Cristina: Yeah. They wouldn't do something just randomly. Like, even if it's random, it was a planned random.
Jack: Here's. I figured it out. The reason a robot can't imitate a human is because humans are unpredictable beyond reason, while animals are predictable to a frame fault. So we're having computers imitate the predictable side of animals, not their rational thinking side, which would, in case be the random, chaotic side at the same time, because that's their personality instinct drives other animals too heavily. And in return, a computer struggles to. A computer can imitate the instincts well, but with humans it can't. Because we have this weird ability to ignore an instinct so easily. And a computer creature struggles to emulate that ability. Yes, because it's not a pattern, it's the absence thereof or behavior despite the pattern.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So it's impossible, even if we are just similar to animals in that we have the ability to add randomness at will. Animals share that with us. But animals also share pattern being their driving force. Like computer. Computer. The computer can imitate the animal, but that's not our driving force anymore.
Cristina: Anymore. Although it does seem like a little bit.
Jack: And it's sprinkled in there, it's still there. It does a lot of things, but it's not like we can behave randomly. You Tell me. I come to you and I'm like, this is a cup. And you're like, no, that's not a cup. But then you can prove to me it's not a cup. I can still choose to ignore that. I can block the information out, you know?
Cristina: I guess.
Jack: Yeah, it's totally rational.
Cristina: Mm. That is. That's very rash, irrational.
Jack: Okay, but computers. Dumb. And they're dumb. Dumber. And humans. Perfect. Anyways.
Cristina: I don't know how, but okay.
Jack: Yeah. But anyways, we're running out of time, and it's. What we basically resolved today is that humans are weird and dumb.
Cristina: That is true.
Jack: And the computers still somehow struggle to imitate the dumb creatures we are.
Cristina: Yeah. How could they imitate? Like, if we had a computer in that crowd looking at Shakira and Navarro, what would it do?
Jack: That's interesting.
Cristina: Why would it, like. I don't know.
Jack: Like, it would freeze up, too. It's the computer. No, that would. That's right. The computer could imitate that moment accurately. Actually.
Cristina: Actually, are you sure?
Jack: I'm pretty sure. The computer would just freeze up too. It'd be like, what the do I do? So it's that the computer can at least imitate dumb people. Oh, you know, like, it couldn't imitate Shakira's reaction. She was like a thinking human there who's like, what the h*** is going on? But, like, it can't imitate. It could imitate the. The dumb people who were just, like, mesmerized by Ooh, Shakira.
Cristina: I'd be like, oh, why would it be like, ooh, Shakira?
Jack: No, it'd be imitating. It knows that's what people would do. And it's easy to imitate because it takes not a lot of work. It's just like, let me do nothing now.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: You know, so yeah, computer is sharp. Conditionally. Anyways. Anyways, we're super out of time, you guys. You can, you know, see social stuff, talk to us, send us messages, learn about things, maybe listen to collection and stuff on social stuff on platforms and junk of that nature. You know, things and stuff. So you can do that at Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok. @ JustConvopod.
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Jack: Yeah, word of mouth. It's very useful. Tell people about how we have proven today objectively, with nothing but science experiments rather than objective opinion. I mean subjective opinion that we have proven that computers are inferior to humans and cannot imitate the superior human intellect.
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Jack: Oh, the bean itself is the seed.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Plant beans and they will grow, becoming plants such as green beans becoming bean sprouts. Interesting. So a bean is self reproducing and.
Cristina: You'Re saying nuts aren't.
Jack: What the. Okay, usually. Okay, so you plant a nut and you get a tree and the tree drops nuts that you can plant, you grow. The only difference is is one is grown up, the other is grown down. And most peanuts have shells and most beans don't. The end.
Cristina: Nuts grow up though. Only peanuts grow down.
Jack: But peanuts grow under. What the f***? So 1. So is a peanut a bean?
Cristina: I don't know. I don't know. Yes. Right. I don't know. It makes no sense. They're very similar.
Jack: It's very similar. Yeah. Wow. Interesting. We learn something every day.
Cristina: Is a peanut considered a bean? Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.
