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Rambling 296: Godzilla: The True Story Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised. Jack: Going live in 5, 4. Cristina: What does live mean? Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack. Cristina: And I'm your host, Cristina. Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today, I thought it would be really cool if we looked at something that happened recently and unpacked how the world has reacted in response to these things that have occurred to Godzilla. Godzilla. I mean, I guess I wonder how people would react to Godzilla. I know there would be people who would be like, wow, it was based on truth. Instantly, a bunch of conspiracy theorists are gonna say, we were right all along. And the elites always put the truth in front of you because they have to tell you for whatever deal they made with something. Cristina: If it's part of conspiracy, then did they. Did the government, the world government, or whatever make Godzilla interesting? Jack: Or Godzilla could be a demon, a deity of some sort. God. God is in the name. Somebody's gonna put that connection together. Cristina: He's a God that was hidden, but someone knew about him. So did the government hide him until he broke loose or until the government was like, you know, the world government was like, okay, these people are out of control. We gotta let this guy loose. Jack: You think? Okay, okay, let's go back. You think the government made Godzilla? Cristina: No, I'm not saying they made him, but if they kept him a secret, then they probably have him locked up. Jack: Yes. Yes. Okay, fair enough. Fair enough. So the premise here is ultimately right. We're gonna fix this. This is gonna make a lot of sense. The premise here is two things. Regardless of how Godzilla is real and two, actually, three concepts that need to work here. Godzilla is real. And we're gonna prove this somehow. Cristina: Sure. Jack: And two, the government somehow knew. Somehow, somehow. Cristina: Whether they kept it or they just knew where he was or something. Jack: And three, that's because we only know about Godzilla to begin with. Because the government always has to tell us whatever they're doing, even if in secrecy. So they have to put it in front of us somehow. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Because the elites have to show us they made a deal with something. As we know is whatever theory. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And they have to show you. They got to tell you what they're doing, so they'll do it in cryptic ways so you don't know, but you know, or whatever. Cristina: I don't get it. I think it's so you can be used to it, so that when it happens, you're not as scared. Except the point of showing it is to scare you. Like, I don't. I don't know. So, like, they show it to you so that you. When it does happen, you're not too freaked out about it. Because they don't want you to kill yourself. Because at the end of the day, they still need you alive. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: For whatever their evil plan is. They just need you to know that it was possible. And then when it's possible when it's there, then. Jack: But I don't know why they would want you to know about Godzilla. Cristina: Why would they? They want us to know about everything. Aliens? Jack: Yeah. That's why. I think it's not that they're trying to descend. I think those people are wrong. If. If our three things are to be true, then they don't want us to know about Godzilla because they're unleashing Godzilla to kill us. Cristina: No. Jack: To do what? Why? Why would. Okay, let's. Let's work on one of these problems at a time. Cristina: Okay? Jack: Why are they. Cristina: Who. Jack: Somehow the theory that you're going with is they're trapping Godzilla. Godzilla? Maybe they could have made Godzilla, but Godzilla could have existed beforehand. Cristina: Yes. Jack: So it could happen either way. Maybe it was an accident. It could be that the story they told us about Godzilla was accurate. Cristina: It's just a natural thing that happened out from radiation hitting a lizard or something. From their bombs. Jack: Is that the initial story? Cristina: Something like that. Like they. We bombed Japan and then Godzilla was made. No. Jack: Okay, okay, okay, hold on. Let's. Let's f******. Without looking it up first, let's. Let's make our assumption. Okay, so you think war. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And nuclear waste. 00:05:00 Cristina: Yes. And then lizard and nuclear waste equals Godzilla. Jack: Okay, okay. I think cautionary tale. Power plant or chemical waste plant or something. Cristina: Yeah. And a lizard. Jack: Yeah. Wait, but you're saying war? Cristina: Well, it could be either or. Jack: Okay, you're just saying chemical. Cristina: Chemicals. A lizard, Godzilla. Jack: Chemicals. A lizard Godzilla. I agree. I think. I think it's a cautionary term. Cristina: Chemicals. I think it's bit a lizard and made Godzilla. Jack: Chemicals. Bit a lizard. Cristina: It's like Spider Man. Jack: Okay, fair enough. Kind of like the Ninja Turtles. Cristina: Yes. Jack: I mean, to be fair, that story. Cristina: The Ninja Turtles of whatever that story. Jack: Is about four N4 turtles that got bit by a radioactive rat, Right? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: And didn't he find them already mutated and turned into. No, they were just turtles. Cristina: Turtles. And you're saying he made them? The rat, the rat made them? Is he the villain? I don't think so. I think he found Them? No, the bad guy probably made them by accident. Doing weird experiment things. Jack: I bet. I bet it's some crap like that. Cristina: Experiments or an accident. Jack: No, I think. Yeah, it would probably have been like. And then he was trying the. His quest in life was to stop what he. The problem he created. So he spent his whole life trying to fix the issue of four mutant rats. I mean, turtles and a. I don't know. Maybe he made the rat too. They knew each other or something. Wasn't Master Splinter his master? Cristina: And he's just a dude. It's just a regular human dude against some wild animals. Jack: Any train. Cristina: And he's bad. Jack: Well, I don't know. I think I could be wrong. I don't know why. This is the memory, and I'm not gonna look it up. We're never gonna find out, okay? Because I've never seen the Ninja Turtles. I've read so little about the Ninja Turtles. I think, like, I literally don't even know how they became. Cristina: Like. Jack: I'm assuming it's waste if my memory says waste to some degree. Right? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: I think the rat knew martial arts because the guy taught it. But as you have brought up the question, did this guy teach a normal rat martial arts and that rat then went off into the world and became a mutant freak? Or did this guy make or find a mutant rat? Cristina: I can't believe he actually. No, I don't think he has to do anything with them. That can't be part of the story. It doesn't make sense. Jack: Then how the h*** did. He's a good guy. It doesn't matter what the h*** we're looking at. This guy is probably trying to just stop these weird animal freaks. Does he have targets? Does he harm people? Cristina: I think he's a criminal. Jack: Oh, he's a criminal. Cristina: I'm pretty sure he's doing crime. Jack: Are they superheroes? Cristina: I think so. Because I feel like the girl that's involved is also, like, a journalist or something. Jack: Holy s***. Are they Spider Man? Cristina: Yes. They're just like Superman. Jack: Are they super strong? Don't they have to, like, know martial arts? They gotta combat these guys one to one. They're not like one shotting everybody. Cristina: But they're. It's hard to hurt them. They're turtles, I guess. They have the highest defense. They might not be the fastest or strongest, but they're defense man. Jack: In a world where other creatures also mutated in a similar fashion. If we said they all approximated to about the same size, why would that happen? I don't Know even why the turtles began with. Okay, the least defensive thing Would probably be a standing turtle. Cristina: Well, maybe they can do stuff with their shells. I don't know. Jack: How could they see you if the only way for that defense to be high up, and you'd still have six points that you can be poked or stabbed or killed through? Yeah, you're just upping your defense. It's not perfect. Cristina: You think it. They're less defensive, though? Jack: I don't think they're less offensive. I think they're just lame. Cristina: They are pretty lame. Yeah. Jack: Yeah, yeah. In fact, we would have to increase the size of these turtles to make everybody the size of the biggest already existing. So the elephant is the only creature that wouldn't increase in size. All the other creatures would. 00:10:00 Jack: Except giraffe. We'll see the elephant, the giraffe. That's where we cap off. They don't change. Everything below them must increase in size to be at least the height of the elephant. If the turtles went up. Cristina: Yes, because they're like godzilla, who was a little lizard. Because it was smaller than them. Probably. Jack: Yes. But their soft spot is going to be larger. Yes. Cristina: Their soft spot. Jack: Yeah. The flat, the six points where the head goes in, where the two front and back legs going, and where the tail goes in, which is actually not different holes. Usually you have two large slits which are where their arms, the top arm, the top legs, and their head are. And then where their tail and back and hind legs are. Those are the two exits. So those two soft spots, as the turtle gets larger Would then be more vulnerable and be a larger target for the opponents. And if they're hiding, to remove their head, arms, and legs. Cristina: I don't know why they pick turtles. I don't know. It makes no sense. Jack: Yeah. They couldn't see you. Cristina: I thought they picked something cooler. Jack: They couldn't see you. Cristina: Turtles was cool. And then they gave them the attitude of spider man. I'm imagining that they came out around the same time on spider man because they have that boyish attitude that spider man has. But there's what, four or five of them? Jack: Say that again. Cristina: That they have the same attitude that spider man has. Jack: Yeah, they're broad out and, like making jokes. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Except the angry red one. Cristina: Huh? Jack: He doesn't make jokes. Right. He's serious. Cristina: I don't know. There's an angry ninja turtle. Jack: I thought there was an angry red one. Cristina: I don't. I don't know. Jack: I know. Hold on. Let me see. Cristina: I don't even know if there's four or five of them. I don't even know the number of turtles. Jack: I think there's four turtles and a girl turtle. Four dude turtles. Cristina: Girl turtle. Jack: There's a dudette turtle. Cristina: There's not a dudette turtle. There's a girl, but she's not a turtle. Jack: No, there's a girl. Cristina: There's not a girl turtle. Jack: I promise you there's a girl. Cristina: She must have came out way later because the original turtles are. No. Are just boy turtles. Jack: No. I mean, yeah, sure, but there's a girl turtle. No, there is a hundred percent a girl turtle. Cristina: When did they introduce a girl turtle? It makes no sense. Jack: I think pretty early. Cristina: Are you positive? Jack: I guarantee you there is a girl. Cristina: But she's not a turtle. She's a human. Jack: There's a female ninja turtle. I swear to God. No. Cristina: What does that mean? Jack: She got turtle b****. Cristina: That's exactly what I was picturing. But no, there's not ninja turtle. No. Jack: In turn, she's blue. Girl turtle. Cristina: But that's just a made up turtle. Jack: She's blue and light. She's light. Cristina: She's not one of them. They just turned one of their turtles into a female turtle. Jack: No, they got blue. They got b****. Cristina: No, look, there's a. That's him. Jack: No, no. Cristina: Yes, there is that guy. They just changed his sex, but he still. No, there's no female ninja turtle. Jack: What is her name? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: There you go. Cristina: Ew. Jack: Yeah, there's just a chick that's lighter blue. Cristina: When did she. But she's not part of the original Ninja turtles. Jack: You probably not. I don't. Sure you could tell. I'll go with that. I have no idea. Cristina: I just know they don't look like teens anymore. I don't know what they're supposed to be. Now you see that girl? She's the girl. And she's just a human in the yellow suit. Jack: That's the reporter. Cristina: Yeah, I think something like that. Jack: There's just an extra turtle here who isn't even a chick. Cristina: I don't know what's happening. Jack: Yeah, but you get the point. Cristina: No, I don't. What was the point? That they. Jack: There's a female turtle. Cristina: The turtles. Originally there's like four turtles, now there's. Jack: Five and there's a chick. And I think it's been like that since like the second iteration. Cristina: No, he's like. Even the newest projects, you don't see the girl turtle. Jack: Oh, fair enough. Maybe they just don't like. Maybe sexism is alive. Cristina: Maybe. Jack: Okay, There are three scenarios here that are depicted in films that we can use to try to understand Godzilla right now. Cristina: Okay. Jack: One, nuclear testing. You were right. My specifics on it being a power plant was wrong. 00:15:00 Jack: But it wasn't war, it was for war. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It was just test site, probably some random a** island in the middle of nowhere, but had wildlife. Biology suggests in other films that it was a prehistoric kind of dinosaur. Cristina: I don't understand. Jack: So upon the discovery of this dinosaur that was somehow living underwater, is it. Cristina: Like that movie where they found King Kong in the center of the world? Jack: Kind of, yeah. Cristina: Like she's just sleeping in the center of the world and somehow she pops out here. Or he. She. I don't know what Godzilla is. Jack: Well, she. I think she's neither. Cristina: Okay, Well, I think she's like a. Jack: Frog could just, you know, asexually reproduce. Cristina: But Godzilla was down there. Jack: Yeah. Or just sleeping at the bottom of the ocean or something like Nessie. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And so, yeah, that's the other idea. Cristina: And there's a third one. Jack: The third one is essentially a hybrid logic where there was this maybe unknown reptile that was exposed to some chemical waste and that. So it's sort of both things. It had a unique chemistry that then allowed it to become. Cristina: I'm not sure what you tried to say. Jack: There are other lizards and other things in the same water with the same lizard that then became Godzilla. Godzilla was either amongst the species that it was the last of, or it had wandered off into a different eg area and reached the radiation. And its unique DNA had its reaction to the exposure to be turning into this large thing and nothing else did. Because the logic would be why would radiation turn this one lizard huge and not all the others, which is legit? Cristina: I don't know. Because like, if he's real, then what stops all the other things that they are showing us to be real? Jack: Legit. So assuming that Godzilla is a self contained situation, then we can write off the nuclear test site is wrong. And it's probably some kind of creature that has existed for a long time. Meaning the government found it. Cristina: Okay. Jack: They didn't make it. They saw this thing. Who knows how long it's been hidden or caught. But the government has it. We don't know when or why. We just know that they have it. Cristina: Okay, solved. Jack: They caught some sort of ancient creature. Cristina: That's what they do. Jack: Yes. Okay, now how do they know its capabilities? Cristina: They gotta experiment on it like they do. Jack: But how? Where? I guess we, no matter what, we can make a Space large enough. If we have enough funds, it doesn't matter. Cristina: Yeah, maybe it's where we say the aliens are. What's that spot? Area 52. Area? Jack: Yeah, giant location where it could fire whatever beam into nowhere. Cristina: They're experimenting on it. That's how they make their flying ships. They're not using alien technology. They're using an alien like creature. I guess. Jack: Fair enough. And its energy beam is what taught us about lasers and s***. Cristina: Yep, yep, yep. Jack: Interesting. Okay, so then now the question is, why would they release it? To do what? Cristina: To get us not to not. It's confusing because it has to do with Jesus coming back to life and the rapture. But it's like the government is against Jesus. So I don't know. I try to understand these conspiracies, but it's always something like this. Jack: Okay, well, assuming the whole Jesus thing is wrong and the rapture isn't gonna happen, grounding this in the re. In being as real as possible, what are some reasons the government might release Godzilla? Like, what's a real concern that they would be like, oh, get the people in check. I mean, maybe think about it. Think about it. We got conspiracy project 100% to fight the aliens. No, if some government. That's probably why they show us this movie specifically. Right. It's like, oh, we found this creature is one movie. But hey, he helps us from time to time. Cristina: Yeah, Godzilla sometimes not that bad. Jack: I bet they've always been working on mind control technology in order to figure it out for Godzilla. Maybe. Maybe it's not a creature they can control. So they maintain it tied and sedated because it's like, dude, this dinosaur 00:20:00 Jack: is bigger than most of our mega structures. Cristina: Yes. Like, why are they gonna. It's not to attack us. Like, they don't need a giant lizard, dude. Jack: Also, the size depiction of Godzilla tells us that maybe Godzilla has been around and we've seen it throughout time. Because think about the different scales. Sometimes it's just the right size to fight King Kong, and King Kong is so small, it had to climb to the top of the Empire State Building. Cristina: Yeah, he's not that. Jack: He's not that big. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Other times, Godzilla is so tremendously f****** large that it is the height of the Empire State Building. Cristina: So what are we. What are we saying? It's actual sizes? Then I think maybe the child, if there's children version is the size of King Kong. Jack: And really the adult is what we're holding back. That's the. When we're talking about, we let Some creature out to protect Earth. That's what we're talking about. We're talking about that really big one we're hoping the guy we can control at some point. Because we're going to need it for when the big s*** comes to. When the meteor is almost here. Shoot a beam into the sky. Cristina: Could be okay to stop the, you. Jack: Know, aliens are coming. Start attacking. Fire all you've got. Cristina: You don't think it's like a government thing? Like, they know the other. Every country has their own Godzilla thing. And they're like, okay, if someone releases their Godzilla, then you got the. You got to press the button to release our Godzilla. Kind of like the nuclear crisis, except with monsters. Jack: Then. Then America doesn't have Godzilla. Cristina: Why not? Jack: Because Godzilla's Japanese, Right? Cristina: I don't know. Because I think it comes from us doing the experiment with radiation. Them seeing what we're doing. That created the fear. Jack: But they caught the creature. It's their creature. It was over there. Cristina: So. Or maybe we're attacking them with it. Jack: I have a theory that works with a lot of the world. Godzilla is Japanese, and we have our own creature. Theirs was our fault. Cristina: Okay? Jack: Ours was our intention. Cristina: Oh, what is ours? Jack: I don't know. What creature do we talk about in any manner, shape or form that makes absolute sense as an equivalent to Godzilla? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: Was King Kong our creation? Cristina: I think so. Jack: We have a giant ape somewhere. Cristina: Somewhere does not really compare to Godzilla. Jack: But no, we went to Jurassic Park. We went to. Yes, we went. Yes, we went to Brazil and found King Kong. Right. Cristina: I don't know. Jack: We went to some random jungle out in a different country. It wasn't over here. No, we didn't capture King Kong and bring him over here. We went back to King Kong. Cristina: I know. Jack: We did capture King Kong at some point. That's how he got to the Empire State Building. Cristina: Yes, we captured him from the island he was at. Jack: Yes. But that's the story of how that went wrong. Okay, so is Jurassic Park. Yes, but I think you're right. I think we were like, we can do bigger and better, and we could do it with nothing but money. Cristina: Yeah. So we made not just one many. Jack: We got all of them. We got hella creatures bigger and badder than all your creatures. Cristina: I don't know if any of them compare to Godzilla. Yeah. If you look at the biggest dinosaur and put it next to Godzilla, is it competing? But even if it was competing in size, like, it doesn't have the ability to. Jack: Yes, Godzilla. Some other That's. Cristina: Even if Godzilla was smaller in size, does it matter if it shoots out beams? Jack: Yeah, it's like a pure energy. Like it'll cut, it'll. Cristina: It's. Jack: It's a lightsaber. Cristina: Yes. Like it doesn't matter what we have. No matter how large it is, there's no winning. Jack: I know. You know, like, I don't think it's gonna be. Man, that. That would be nuts. Cristina: You're looking up. Let me see, let me see. Jack: The largest dinosaur was about 85ft long and potentially as tall as a three story building at most. Cristina: And what is Godzilla size? Jack: Yeah. Now the question is, what was at its largest? Cristina: There's many, so. Yeah. Jack: Yeah, straight up. It varies from film to film, but the largest is 00:25:00 Jack: is 350ft. How tall is the Empire State Building? Nah, nah, nah, nah. So this creature was around tall buildings, but it wasn't the size of the Empire State Building. The Empire State Building ain't a joke. Godzilla's tallest size was 350ft. The Empire State Building is a hundred and fourteen fifty four feet. Cristina: Okay. And what was the tallest dinosaur? Jack: The tallest dinosaur was roughly half the size of Godzilla. With our estimate being that the possible for the largest dinosaur was roughly 122ft. But the largest we've seen that we believe can get to that size at its highest point was 85. So Godzilla will s*** on anything. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Anything. How big was the biggest King Kong? Cristina: I still don't think it's gonna compete. Jack: King Kong stands at approximately 104ft. Cristina: That's kind of whack. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: I don't understand. Jack: Biggest Godzilla is three and a half times bigger. Cristina: Yeah. That's ridiculous. Jack: Yeah. He would stop this. Cristina: He's huge and he's got powers. Who is. Who is fighting Japan if this was Japan's creature? Jack: I don't know. Cristina: That's why it has. It can't be. Jack: No. That's why we made so many investments. That's why we made so many. We're compensating. Cristina: I think Godzilla is our creature. And whenever we're not happy with Japan, we release it on Japan. Jack: Oh, s***. Maybe there wasn't a nuke. Maybe we were testing, ended up with this thing and sent that out. Cristina: Yes. And that's why they fear us and it. Because it. It's the same thing. It's us. We are their nightmare. We are Godzilla. Jack: Interesting point. So then the question is, when was the first Godzilla movie and when do we drop the bomb? Cristina: Oh, I bet that the bomb came first. I'm betting I'm betting. Jack: You think the. The bombs hit first? Cristina: Yes. If not, then at least when we started testing had to come first. Jack: Okay. Okay. We found something strange here. The first Godzilla movie. Go, Jira. Literally, the name, how you're supposed to say it, it's like in quotation marks here. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Came out on November 3, 1954. Cristina: What are you saying? Like, it happened a day later or something. Jack: Hiroshima. Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Jack: Was dropped on August 6, 1945. That was 10 years before the 11 years earlier. No, nine years back. That's nine years back. So the bombs got dropped first? Cristina: Yes. And then shortly after they make a movie. Jack: Shortly after they make a movie. Cristina: Yeah, yeah. Jack: And the area was supposed to be radiated for really exaggeratedly long time. That's wrong, though. So now it's common knowledge that, no, it's gonna be livable eventually. Cristina: So you're questioning if it was actually what we said it was? Jack: Yeah. Was Godzilla really released into. Cristina: Yes. What? I don't know. Jack: You think that'd be crazy? Cristina: No. Jack: What if we really. What if? Cristina: Really? Jack: What happened is the United States released Godzilla as a warning. But then the question is, how far apart were these? No, they were three days apart. Cristina: What was three days apart? Jack: Hiroshima. We dropped the bomb on August 6, 1945, and just erased that in Nagasaki was August 9 where we dropped it. This was three days later. There is only one possibility. If what you're talking about is the case, we have more than one. And that's why there are different sizes. The fat quote, Fat man bomb was the big one. Because the first one we let go was called the Little Boy. And the little boy could just be the small 00:30:00 Jack: Godzilla. Cristina: Yeah. And because these maybe are scientific experiments, like, maybe once they do their damage, they die. Like, maybe not leave them. They don't actually live, though. Jack: Oh, like they're gonna be. Like, they're gonna die quickly. Cristina: Yeah, they die quickly. Because they're not really. They're. They're radiated. They're. They're. They're animals, but they're not. Like, why would a radiated animal and all these stories, they stay alive and healthy and everything. Like, that's not true. They die immediately. Wouldn't they? Jack: All the other creatures. Cristina: Any creature. Jack: You mean the Godzilla? Cristina: Yes, the Godzilla. Like, any radiator. Jack: How did we get it to that size if it's gonna die quickly? It would have died long before it. Cristina: Reached that size because we hadn't had it woken up. Maybe. Maybe. Jack: We're finding these creatures, right? We're trapped. We're capturing them. Or we're making them. Did we make Godzilla? No, because we found them. We found them. This is a fact. We found these creatures. Cristina: Yes, but maybe we found their eggs and then we still have. Jack: They still have to grow naturally. Right. Because it's. We've established some creatures, a dinosaur. Cristina: Okay. Maybe they just diabetely out of their environment, Their natural environment. Jack: But they'll be right next to the water. Isn't it from the water that we're getting them? Cristina: No. From somewhere super duper radiated. Jack: No, because they're just. Unless we found somewhere naturally radiated on the planet. Cristina: Yeah, maybe because it's an ancient creature that happens to go into a radiated area that creates the Godzilla. Jack: So the argument is there's a lizard that hangs out in a raid. There's a spot naturally on earth that's always radiated. Cristina: Yes. Or that we turned it into radiated and just. Jack: No, these are dinosaurs. Cristina: These are dinosaurs. Jack: These are dinosaurs. We've established that. That the government had nothing to do with it. Cristina: No. Yes. Jack: So we must be finding these. Cristina: Yes. Jack: There must be somewhere on earth that's naturally radiated. Cristina: Okay, yeah, maybe. Jack: Or are we just finding dinosaurs? There's some kind of unique nessie like creature, basically. Right. But why can it shoot a beam from its mouth? We gotta justify that. That's the radiation we had justified size. I guess more ancient dinosaurs than the dinosaurs were used. So that's really what's happening. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And because of that it was de down. And because of that, like it hibernates deeper down in the planet. Cristina: But we can hear it through Russia because they have that giant hole in the ground that makes really spooky sounds. Maybe it's just the dinosaurs. Jack: Maybe they don't sleep underground. Cristina: What? Jack: Maybe they sleep and live underground. And this is one of many. And they're always down there. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And what we hear through the hole. Cristina: Is that they're just. They live down there and it's radiated. Jack: And then we find. No, they don't even have to be radiated. The size, it just works different down there. Cristina: Okay. It's not radiation. Jack: Yeah. But they. They live around lava and immense pressure. Cristina: So maybe where does the beams come from? Jack: I don't know. I don't know. Maybe it's kind of like they're doing something through the. They learn, they evolve naturally. Being able to do a combination of something with air the way that that crab underwater does that make a small explosion. Cristina: Seriously, it's just. It's. There's some scientific reason. Jack: Scientific reason why it can shoot out lasers. Yeah. If we think about like a way to first create an air funnel. Maybe you have some sort of internal system that works like gills but for oxygen. So that you can open and suck in air from one side as you're simultaneously pumping the air out through a more narrow air. Cristina: So radiation has nothing to do with it? No, that's just the story Japan believes because of what we said we were doing. Yes, they put the scientific experiment to it. That's part of the story because that's the story they were told. But we're just lying. Jack: Or you're right and it is radiation. But then it happened by accident. Yes, and. But no, it wouldn't make sense. How did this creature so immediately after. Cristina: They'Re attacking die? Jack: I mean there's a ten year period. Well, we'll say the nine year period. We'll say a movie started being made a year after the events at earliest and the movie got put out a year later. So two year gap. So two years before it would have had to happen. So there would have been only seven years for that lizard to go from as small as it was to as big as it was. It wouldn't happen. The only way would be if this thing was growing for infinities. Cristina: Yes, it already has to be that big. Jack: It already had to be that big for many, many, many, many year. Hundreds of years maybe. Cristina: So they found it. They found it 00:35:00 Cristina: and then it died. Jack: Yeah. So it's from the center of the earth. It comes out here and whatever trick it could do. But again. Okay, wait, we're trying to figure out this trick. Right? So it has some gill like system. It should in theory be able to open some thing to pull in air and have a different where it's shooting the fire from. Should have some kind of like narrower airway so that if you're pulling in twice the amount of air then you have some sort of a pump and you could shoot out the air continuously. Then that's solid. You could. Cristina: You somehow makes lasers. The air turns and say lasers. Jack: Well, the laser wouldn't exactly be a laser. Maybe that's just a weird depiction and it's not like a lightsaber. Maybe it's more like fire. Cristina: Okay. Like a dragon. Jack: Like a dragon. And so it's breathing this in and kind of like a venomous snake that can spit out this kind of thing onto you or something like that. Maybe. Cristina: Why wasn't Godzilla just a story about a dragon? Because we have so many dragon stories. Why wasn't this just a different dragon story? Jack: Maybe the Japanese don't Have fire breathing dragons? Maybe we have fire breathing dragons. Maybe that's a western thing. Cristina: Japan, I mean, China didn't have dragon that breath fire. Jack: I don't know. I have no idea. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Why you think it was What? Cristina: I don't know. Because like, wouldn't they just say it's a dragon that's attacking us and not some scientific experiment attacking us? Jack: Well, they think it happened after the bombs. Here would be the theory. Right. Grounding this a little farther. We dropped the bombs. Cristina: I thought they were the bombs that we dropped. Jack: Well, this is me adjusting. Okay, we dropped the bombs. No, they have to be the bombs. Yeah, but assuming I'm wrong, we dropped the bombs and the bomb woke the thing up. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It's the only time we've ever dropped these bombs. Ever. It's the only time nukes have been used on these areas that aren't just abandoned islands in the middle of nowhere, deserts that are uninhabited. We're dropping it where there's people and foliage. Cristina: I woke this ancient dinosaur up, and. Jack: It woke this ancient dinosaur up. Cristina: Okay. Jack: That could be why they, like, the bombs dropped. Then the thing happened. So that the. The whole story about the bombs. I bet Godzilla did not attack either one of those two places. What place in Japan did Godzilla attack? Tokyo. Cristina: Tokyo. Okay, that's random. Jack: I guess because it was like a real super mega area. We were just attacking normal civilian areas that had a base, I guess for control, it was military related, trying to calm them down or whatever the h*** we were trying to do. Tokyo? Yeah. So that takes place in Tokyo. So that's a possibility. One of two scenarios explains the attack of Godzilla on Tokyo. Either we dropped two bombs and woke something up. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Or these bombs were the lizards and they wandered off. Cristina: That could also be it. That means. Yeah, I don't know. Because like if we did wake up a lizard up, there was just one lizard. Jack: Maybe not. Maybe there was a bunch of lizards. Or maybe we knocked something down underground that allowed one of these already existing creatures from underneath. But we can go back to the original concept that they. That we, the United States, found a way to go down there and get these creatures that have always been down there. Because we do hear something when we hear down. No matter what, these creatures are underground. How we acquired them is now the question. We found out where they are. Cristina: They're underground. Jack: They're underground. Did they originally pop up in Japan? Or did we go get them probably through that hole in Russia, and then keep them? But how do we transport the biggest one? Cristina: Yes. Jack: Problem. We should have a base where we're finding them. Cristina: Alaska. Jack: Alaska is probably a really good place. There's a bunch of rural places out here. 51. 100. Yeah. Cristina: Area 51. Jack: Yeah. Just holes that go deep. And we just have access to pulling these things up and keeping them around the hole so we can throw them right back down if we don't need it. How are we going to dispose of this s***? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: You know, because we tried. Maybe we tried to dispose of some that went wrong. And that's why we have stories of some coming out of the water. Cristina: Okay. You know, 00:40:00 Cristina: and then still, like, any alien story could be pointed to this creature because it could be more than one creature that's down there. Like, they don't all have to look the same. Jack: Yeah. What are they eating if they all look the same? Cristina: Yeah. So, like, if they're like. If they're dinosaur like, I guess, which is very lizard like, so very alien like. Jack: Yeah. And it's definitely. There's lava if they go deep enough. But I don't think they're so deep. I think they're just deep enough that they don't normally get to us or ever. And water must be down there, too. They're ocean levels. Deep, deeper. Slightly deeper. They're slightly deeper. They're in the gaps of air underneath the ocean. And then we found ways. And we tell people, the normal civilians don't have access to the technology that can take us so deep to withstand that level of pressure. But the government's never going to tell us that it does. And it can easily get down there and it can access these creatures and get to them. Cristina: And then what? Just attack countries with them? Jack: But then this. Yeah. Like you said, one country has King Kong, one country has Godzilla. One country has this thing. One country has that thing. One country found it, used it. Other countries found out about it and figured out how to get more. So chances are we have maybe different countries have different size Godzillas. I got a really old Godzilla that's the size of this. Cristina: Okay. All those different ideas. Jack: I got a really huge moth. Cristina: Huge moth is Russian thing that they attack us with. Jack: Yeah. You know, anybody can have anything and they could be getting it from the same place. You just gotta have the technology to go get it and the ability to. Cristina: Restrain it, which I don't know if anyone does have that, though. I don't know. Jack: Then how do we stop the ones that were. We. We. Cristina: I think you can still kill them. I think killing them isn't like a hard thing to do. It's just like hiding the body and then making up stories to what actually happened. Jack: So you have to be able to control it. You can't just kill it. You got to kill it in the water. Cristina: Yeah. You have to kill it in a way that hide. Like, you gotta. You still have to, like. Jack: Fair enough. So then perhaps still like every alien. Cristina: Story where the government came by, asked a bunch of questions, told a lie about what actually happened, and like, I have a theory. Yeah. What? Jack: Maybe it was one. Cristina: Was one what? Jack: The first one caused small destruction as compared to the second one, the one that caused great destruction. They were both powerful. But what if the first one was Godzilla doing it? Little boy was Godzilla. Cristina: And the second one was to kill Godzilla. Jack: Was the. Kill Godzilla. The bomb. Cristina: Okay. Jack: What Godzilla was doing. We're testing it. We're seeing if Godzilla works. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And then it kept wandering, and we're like, how do we control it? Okay, here we go. Well, it worked. Gone. No proof. Cristina: Mmm. Jack: Two part system. It'll keep destroying more than a nuke can if you just let it keep going. Yes, they tested that on the first one. It'll do. Nuke levels of destruction. And until we decide to stop it, it'll keep going. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Can we stop it? Well, let's find out. Here we go. Boom. Cristina: Okay. Yeah. They have to get rid of it. Jack: They have to get rid of it. Maybe the government has the ability to drop things like this at random. Cristina: Crazy. And it's all the governments. Jack: Then many, many, many governments have the ability to drop some colossal creature onto other governments, onto other countries. Cristina: Yeah, to just attack. Jack: Or maybe not. Maybe it's just a few. Depends who has stories of disability. We're the only people who are like, oh, no, we can't. We control it. It's our thing. We call on that show, we want it. Of course we use it. In the middle of the ocean, nowhere, where nobody knows where the h*** people are. Like, oh, how did the Americans shoot down that boat all the way over there? And it's like, we don't need to. Cristina: Know, but we're still. We're still lying about what it's happening. Jack: Yeah, I bet. If we can't control it. No, man, that's a question, right? How do we. We don't have mind control. We're still trying to figure it out. Yeah, if we could control something that big, we'd be controlling humans long since. Cristina: But there's no way we can. Jack: There's no way we can. So we're not using it casually. That has to be Wrong. We're definitely lying about what happened. But I'm pretty sure we dropped a thing that caused nuke sized damage. Cristina: And then we used the nuke. Jack: And we used the 00:45:00 Jack: nuke to see if that could stop it. Now there's no proof that it ever existed. It's gone. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Evaporated the bones into nothing. Cristina: That could be it. Huh? Jack: Simple. Although I think bones would survive a nuke. They would just be crispy. I have no idea. Maybe if you're close enough, you get disintegrated into powder. Cristina: But like, even if you find the bones, am I still dinosaur bones? I don't know. Jack: Yeah, and that's why the wood. That's my point. Like, it would have to be at a point that it gets incinerated, Right? That's the only way that you have zero. Cristina: Zero proof. Jack: Zero proof. Okay. No, the bones would totally disappear. Cristina: So. Jack: Interesting. If this says the bones of a person would disappear, then the question is to go directly and do the size. How big would a bone have to. Cristina: Be to not disappear? Jack: To not disappear. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Okay. All right. So let's do some breakdowns here. Humans would get eviscerated into nothingness and cease to exist. See, even their bones, which are our thickest, densest part, Godzilla's bones. To scale appropriately to its size, maintain its weight, and be logical according to how gravity and whatnot works, it would be about 20 times thicker than a human bones. Cristina: It's pretty thick. Jack: Yes. Even then, at ground zero, it would be so obliterated into nothingness, vaporize into beyond dust, that there would be no evidence it ever existed. Well, a nuke would erase the existence of such a creature at ground zero impact, you make it the target. Boom. Gone. There's no evidence it ever existed. Cristina: So we could have released Godzilla onto Japan and then murdered the Godzilla that we made? Jack: Yes. We didn't make Godzilla. Cristina: Oh yeah, we freed Godzilla, released Godzilla out to Japan, then killed it. Then they made a movie about it. Jack: Yes. Yes. The argument would be that we dropped a Godzilla on Hiroshima on August 9, 1945. And three days later, in Nagasaki in August 9 on 1945, we dropped a nuke to get rid of it, testing our entire scenario. And it worked. And nobody has f***** with us since? Cristina: I guess so. Except everyone keeps making bombs. Jack: Yes. Because they know how to stop it. Cristina: Yes, I guess so. Because they saw that we were able to stop it. Jack: Interesting. Fascinating. Cristina: So all of those bombs are not Nobody's using? Jack: Nope, nobody's Just a single one. Cristina: And also, it's just too Many. Why would you need that? More than one. They're probably country. Jack: Yeah. These are probably controlled nukes to create small blast areas with the same intense energy in the small area. So if you have a lot, you're not causing widespread destruction. Nobody has shot a nuke at anybody anymore. We're waiting. Cristina: For what? For these monsters pop up. Jack: Yes. And we're efficientizing them. We're always making it more efficient. Knowing somebody might have one of these. Cristina: Things, someone might release one. That's the real danger. Jack: Interesting. Cristina: Whoa. That's so crazy. Because we have the most nukes, but we're the one with the obvious amount of creatures. Most likely, too. Jack: Well, we're not. Cristina: I think we are. Jack: We have so many. Oh, so we're just like you guys. Couldn't release one on us for any reason. We'll drop a nuke instantly. Cristina: I think we also are protecting ourselves from our own monsters. Jack: Our monsters. Their release of their monsters on us. Well, now, here's something interesting. We would be screwed in an attack. Because we're thinking a couple of episodes ago, we're doing where would we get attacked through, right? And like, if. What would we do in a scenario like that? We didn't consider something like this. But if something like this were to happen, the most likely location to drop it off would be in the ocean and let it come to us. So they don't have to put themselves in danger. So they would just get close, but they wouldn't hover over our airspace. We drop it in the ocean near us, and it would find land in our direction. Coasts would be f***** up. The coasts are the way in for whatever creatures dropped in the water near us and for land. Cristina: But why are we dropping creatures in the water? Jack: War. What if we're invading the United States? Cristina: We, The United States? Jack: No, like, people. Humans. Oh, humans are invading the United 00:50:00 Jack: States. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: So Russia is like, yeah, let's attack. What if that's what's happening near Alaska right now? And they're hanging out by the water. Cristina: So that we could throw our monster in the water? I don't know. Jack: They've got their monster. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: There's ships and planes. They're surveying our area consistently. They've probably got their creature underwater in some giant cage, and it's probably imprisoned, tied up in some way, and they're just planning and testing to release it. And they could just release it and leave. They don't have to do anything. One day they just leave. A couple of hours later. A couple of days later, something starts attacking Alaska. Cristina: Okay. Jack: I don't know how Canada is going to protect itself, but I guess Canada would be screwed here too. Cristina: They got their own monsters, Hopefully. Jack: They got their own monsters. Hopefully. Unless the point is that Canada doesn't have a way to defend itself. And the only way would be for us to start nuking Canada to kill the creature. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: Which would create an interesting problem. Would we do it? Cristina: I guess that's why we got so much nukes. Jack: I think maybe that's also why our least defended area is the only access point. Because the least amount of people are around the Alaskan area. It's a transport point, but there are the least amount of people in Alaska. If we had to drop a nuke, it would be an easier decision than if it came up through New York City. Cristina: Okay, you get my point? Yeah. Jack: So we make that the easiest attack point, and that's the only likely placer probably to go. Because then we would just start bombing them or dropping our own creatures on them. So then they have to release it over there so that by the time it gets to the water, I mean, it gets to land, starts destroying things locally, we have enough time to react and attack it before it leaves Alaska. And we never have to catch Canada with our nukes. Maybe that's strategic. Cristina: Weird. Jack: But yes, would make sense and would keep the rest of the United States safe. Over. Militarize. All of it. Agree with Canada. We're going to keep that land mass up there and we're going to make it the least defended. You defend your borders like a. But we can nuke that. If they ever drop a creature. Cristina: Do we have creatures on every border then? Jack: Like, we don't. We don't know. We just know they might be dropping a creature on us and that's why they're hovering over there. Cristina: But they are not in Mexico just getting ready to attack us. Jack: Interesting. You think? I mean, that would make sense. Then that would actually explain the wall a little better. Cristina: Yeah, maybe. Jack: Maybe the wall's point was to stop these creatures. Because the creature might not just be destroying for no reason. It's gonna avoid crap. Cristina: Mm. Jack: It's a creature. If you're not controlling it, that's just doing random s***. You build the wall, it might not even try to go over. It might turn away and go somewhere else. Cristina: Interesting. You know, just then, if we're thinking about that, like, maybe all the walls, but then, like, China has walls. Jack: China has walls. They've been doing it since whatever century. Cristina: We know them because the dragons. So like who had the dragons that was attacking China that they decided, let's build some walls, dude. Jack: Even this really ancient place we were researching, the Indian place, Dwarf or whatever from 9,000 BC, had giant double layered walls surrounding them in the water too. Cristina: And it wasn't even just the land that they were protecting. Even the waterside, man. Jack: You know what's crazy, dude? We've also seen many people were f****** with Camaras. The text said so much about chimeras. Cristina: I don't know because I thought these were natural creatures. But then if you start talking about chimeras. That's not natural. Jack: That's not natural. Unless it's creatures we're seeing now are the creatures from back then that they were f****** with. And that's why it would have these abilities. It would be a creature that is some over like leftover relic, ancient scientific experiment. It's not us like our experiment. It had to get to think about the two problems we were trying to solve earlier. How does it have these abilities? Well, we had to make it. How is it its size? No, I had to age to that point. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Solution. It was made and it aged to that point. What does that tell us? It had to be made long ago. Cristina: Okay, One of these ancient civilizations. Jack: And maybe there's a bunch of. Maybe they're everywhere. Some civilizations go underground. Some civilizations can move things to other planets. Maybe us in current day looking at the moon, saw some s*** we shouldn't have because we know there's theories about the other side of the moon, the dark side of 00:55:00 Jack: the moon, which isn't dark because it gets light, but we don't see it. And like, maybe there's something out there. Maybe that's the reason China wanted the return to that side of the moon. Maybe what we saw was like, oh, crap, we don't want to wake that thing up. Or we saw civilization that was like, you guys don't talk about seeing space because they got their creature, whatever the crap might be. Maybe there's creatures like that everywhere, everywhere. And we're just finding them. Some civilizations went extinct. Cristina: So all these fairy tale like creatures that are monsters are not really monsters at all. But then would we put like you said, the Loch Ness monster, And then there's vampires, werewolves, all those other creatures. The Ninja Turtles. No, whatever. Chupacabra. They're like all just ancient experiments. Jack: No, not all ancient experiments, but they're all scientifically explainable. Just like adrenochrome could be scientifically explained to some degree. We don't know what causes all these different things. But I think. I think none of it is magic. And I think we do have maybe current day proof of weird s***. Things we have seen that more than one individual has seen. And there's some kind of proof, whether it be current day photos and things that aren't considered fiction. Nessie's a weird one. Some ancient other kind of creature that. No, it has to be from the past. Everybody assumes has to be. Scientists are like whatever creatures is. Resembles this thing from way long ago. Except it would have had to be even longer ago. Then Dwarka and then the Elysians. It had to be from like Elio's time. Cristina: Okay, Elio. Was he around dinosaurs? Jack: Am I saying that wrong? What the h*** was his name? Loi. Cristina: Loi. Jack: Loi. It could have been from like Loi's time, but still, that's. No, it had to be from millions of years ago. That's a problem. So it would have still even outdated. Loi. No, if 3 million years ago isn't. It still has to be like 150 million years ago. 3 million isn't that long ago compared to a creature that Nessie looks like. So maybe there's crap so long ago has nothing to do with any of those people. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Technology so ancient, that's crazy. Cristina: If it's still technology evolved, I guess. Jack: It would have continued to evolve, you. Cristina: Know, But I don't know. I don't know. Jack: It could have. So somehow. Somehow science was involved in the making of this thing. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Because still. How are you f****** doing it, then? Cristina: Again. Jack: Again, physiologically. I tried to explain it physiologically. Those creatures to shoot things. We know crabs can make explosions into grounds. Really specific ones. Or. I think it's a shrimp or something. And so that's. Some creatures have superpower. Like things spit acid out or whatever. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And. Or some, you know, throw smoke out or whatever ink out. If you can do some kind of air pressure thing where you suck in twice the amount that you push out, then you can push out through a smaller airway, creating more of a pressure. Because more air through a smaller airway goes faster. You get some range. And if you can have some kind of ignition and put into that air that's moving through some kind of flammable air you throw in, there's gas, some flammable gas you throw into the air that you're pushing out, then you can create some kind of flamethrower like thing. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And if it shoots out with enough pressure, the closer to your mouth it is, the more like A laser beam it would be. And the further away, the more like regular, you know, it's less pressure. Farther off, it's more like fire far. So maybe you can get a nice stream that looks like a beam. If your size is big enough from our eyes. If you shot a fire beam and it was the length of like 30 buildings at the peak of your mouth, it's gonna look like a straight out beam, not like a fire blast. Right. Because you're shooting. Because it's closer to whatever spot you're shooting it from. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It's gonna be closer to the shape of the airway you're pushing the air through. Took it look like a beam. There could be explanations all this weird. So what's our landed conclusion? That there's creatures at the center of the earth that have aged for who knows how long. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Countries have found them, some countries have captured them. And likely evidence of this is that Hiroshima had something called the little boy dropped off that we think is a nuke. But it might have been Godzilla and it created nuclear sized destruction. And that three days later after it strolled off, we threw an actual nuke called Fat man to evaporate Godzilla and see if that could work. And it did. And ever since there has been prepared. Everybody's been preparing, Everybody's been making bombs, everybody's been 01:00:00 Jack: making nukes everywhere. All at the same time, just in case, just for the day. Cristina: That makes sense. Jack: And when people are cryptic instead of just saying nukes. So just saying I'll bomb you. When somebody like the North Korean leader is like, I got a present for you. And he says that to Trump, what he's talking about is, you know, you saw the creature. I show you my creature. I got that for you. Cristina: That's weird. Jack: And leaders know, but people don't. Cristina: Leaders are showing each other their creature. Interesting. Because they don't have to show anyone. But they could. Jack: They could, they could, they could. And people aren't gonna talk. Cristina: Yeah. Weird. Okay. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Trump knows about him. Jack: Maybe a bunch. No, Trump would immediately talk. I think Trump wouldn't be able to hold it. I think he would just tell the world in excitement. Cristina: So you don't think he was told yet? Jack: I don't know. Maybe he was. Maybe what we see and what he is are two different things. Who knows? Anyways, we have solved the possibility. So what's the consensus? Is Godzilla real? I, I only if the government has to show us everything because they're doing some cahoots. Cristina: That's the whole point. Yes. The government is just Showing us things that are real. Jack: Yeah. So if that's the case, then Godzilla is real. Yes, because they have to show us everything. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And then that would explain the proof behind Godzilla being real. Cristina: Because the government showed it to us. Jack: The government showed it to us because. Cristina: Obviously they run Hollywood. Jack: Yes. And history shows that, yes, there was definitely some bombs dropped and people saw a lizard in Tokyo. You know, so we got bombs, we got movies, we got evidence everywhere that something happened that they're not telling us. Cristina: But they are telling us just through movies. Okay. Yep. Jack: And the correct story is In August 6, 1945, Godzilla was released on Hiroshima. Godzilla wandered the island past Tokyo and got to Nagasaki, where he was finally nuked. Cristina: Yes. That is the story. The unofficial true story. Jack: That is the unofficial true story of Godzilla. Okay. I'm glad you guys made it with us through this to discover what really happened here. This was important. Cristina: It was. Jack: We've established details that matter to the people of Earth, and now we know true military capabilities of a lot of countries. It's way worse than a nuke. You wouldn't think so, but if you don't have to keep firing and you can just release a thing that could only be killed if you nuke your own people. Cristina: Yeah, that's pretty crazy. Jack: Yeah, that goes hard. Cristina: That goes hard. Jack: It's just gonna keep destroying until you nuke it. Guys, you got to nuke your own people. Enjoy. Explain that to your civilians later. Cristina: Yep. It's. It's. It's what's happening. Jack: It's what's happening. Cristina: It happened. Jack: Fire. That's crazy. That's such a solid military tactic. I guess that's why bioweapons are really overpowered. You want people to have to attack their own people. That's winning a war. Cristina: That is insane. Jack: That's. Yeah, you won. If you gotta start attacking your own people, whoever did that to you, they won. That's fire. They don't have to worry about themselves anymore. You're too distracted dealing with you crazy. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Bioweapons. Resident Evil had the right idea. Cristina: Again, bioweapons. Jack: The way to go. Anyways, if you guys think that we missed something important here that should have happened as a natural development of Godzilla or some other proof that maybe exists. Cristina: In the world 100% right that we're right. Jack: If you can help us justify this, let us know. Reach out to us. You could do that on our socials, at just convo pod, on Tik Tok, Instagram, on X, and on Facebook, wherever. Just type our name. Cristina: You'll find everywhere. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Remember to subscribe. Right. And review the show. Jack: Yes. And word of mouth is really overpowered. Tell everybody about the program and the fact that we have absolutely given. Given you nothing but solid fact and proof that Godzilla was real and a timeline that you could throw in people's faces and show them, look, this is proof. And when they're like, you're using a weird kind of confirmation bias, looking for evidence to prove your argument instead of disprove it, you tell them what is proof of your beliefs. And they're going to be like, good point. But you're being absurd. And you're going to say, I can back these thoughts up with science. Can you? And that argument is gonna win. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Because they're gonna 01:05:00 Jack: be like, I can't. Even if they know inherently, it might make more sense. In your total argument, you've used nothing but science. Even if applying it only where. Only where very convenient. And ignoring the areas that would make it unconvenient, you'd be the only one in the conversation with science. Cristina: Ridiculous. Okay. This has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Jack: Bye. Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. 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August 31, 2024

Rambling 287: Lamia

August 31, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Who is the Greek Mistress Lamia? What is the narrative surrounding her death? What is the truth surrounding her death? The duo unpack the mythology of an interesting creature known as Lamia, a mistress of a Greek God and what really unfolded with their affair.

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Greek Mythology
Naga
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Hera
Snake Pits
Shapeshifting
Necromancers
Jesus Christ

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in five, four.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today we have some interesting things to learn look into. But first, as of late, we've been catching people up because of our jumping around. Anybody who is used to us following a giant cohesive narrative that we've been following for like two years isn't used to the old way. We were doing things of just casually picking things that kind of sort of related to this bigger theme that we didn't know existed. But we were just hunting monsters and figuring out what was going on. Except after a long enough deep dive into what we thought was an unrelated series of things that began with a creature, the unicorn, slowly spiraled into. Every creature seems to be related to this thing one way or another.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And initially we thought a lot of it had to do with the Elysians. When we started looking into the Elysians, but before then, we knew things about the shadow realm and many creatures who were in there. So we were hunting things like that. But before we knew about the shadow Realm, we were also just hunting creatures, trying to find out what the f*** these things are. We thought some of them are aliens. We thought some of them were interdimensional things. And weirdly enough, both of those things are kind of the same.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess so. Yeah.

Jack: You know, we knew this Chupacara was like a God like thing. And we thought it came from space looking for things. But no, it did come from elsewhere. But the elsewhere wasn't space. The elsewhere was a different realm.

Cristina: I don't know if you know anything that actually has come from space.

Jack: No, we know things that have gone out into space.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But it seems that everything we thought came from space we have proven with texts that mentioned it before we even looked up. And it's like, okay, okay, you guys knew about all these things ahead of time. So I was in trying to dig deeper into the Clinton Road thing that we've been looking at. We hit some walls because we gotta find things for this. We gotta figure out what's happening in the bottom of the castle. It's been sealed off. It clearly has a way in and out in a location that is undisclosed to the public because it's been kept absolutely secret with, you know, official reasons or whatnot.

Cristina: Whatnot.

Jack: But the castle it was on was Destroyed. So the entrance there is gone and the exit have been blocked and built around, so we don't know where they exist in the five towns that they're spread into. And then somewhere in this giant property, there could be a random manhole cover that's covered by leaves and happens to be in the woods. And that's the only way in or out of this f******. Like, who the h*** knows?

Cristina: It just sounds so suspicious. It just sounds like that lady with the house that makes it into a puzzle that ends up being a portal for ghosts and whatever.

Jack: Except she wasn't trying to hide anything that was just out there. So why were these people trying to hide it? What is the difference? And this is more recent than the house, too, so what is the point? And, like, I've tried to look. Like I said, the hardest thing about this was gonna be the castle. So we visited the castle.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But all it did was lead us to walls. So because we hit these walls and there's nowhere else to go. Look elsewhere. Maybe we'll get informed.

Cristina: Right, okay.

Jack: So we've gotten informed in the past just by looking at other places. We found the Elysians, and that informed a bunch of s***. We found the Shadow Realm. That informed a bunch of s***. Things that we thought were unrelated. So as I'm looking through random crap, looking through old notes, I come across as, you know, the fact that Zeus was kind of pretty successful at creating Nahaz.

Cristina: Okay, yeah.

Jack: Not Naha's Naga. Nahaz was a specific. Naga is the one from the Garden of Eden's research team. Nahaz is the one we call the Serpent. But so we know that he successfully made a Naga, and we know that he got his Naga to successfully make some that worked and some that didn't, like Medusai and her sisters and crap like that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yes, okay. But still have kind of OP abilities that are kind of sort of fairy like. And in looking at that, it came to my mind that, wait, this is the first instance of more than one, more than two, Many, Several. And so I'm like, okay, if you figured it out, you didn't also just stop. Those just happened to be the main narratives, right? The ones that are important because you figured it out, you want to be able to replicate it, and holy s***. That I immediately find something. I was like, there must be more. Just logically speaking, if nobody else could figure it out, the guy who did is probably going to mass produce them. That's the advantage right there.

Cristina: You're OP now he has a Naga army.

Jack: He Would have to. Right. He would have to build. I mean, not a Naga army, but he would have to make multiple. Logically speaking. And I stumble upon a thing called Lamia. L A M I A Lamia. And Lamia is described as a half woman, half serpent. But Lamia is not Medusa or the other Groguns. And Lamia is not Glycon. And Lamia is none of these things.

Cristina: She's from the same area.

Jack: She's Greek.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: She's Greek, specifically related to Zeus. Oh, weird. So I was like, okay, this is odd. But like, we can easily find it now because. Yeah, you had more than one and you instructed something to make it. Just because we only stumbled upon the three and didn't dig deeper, doesn't there isn't more? Yes, but there's definitely more. She's not even the only one I found.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But she's the most interesting one I found. So, as we said, she was originally mentioned in Greek mythology. And very specifically, the same thing that shows up again is half woman, half serpent. Half woman, half serpent. Very, very directly. It seems like Zeus wants Kido to continue making things that are half and half, not fully one. Or Kido is obsessed with not actually succeeding and going halfway because he wants to be the powerful one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I don't know the point of why they're always half and half. If a Naga is not. Anaga is not. Yeah, Anaga is a full fairy serpent.

Cristina: Serpent thing.

Jack: Yeah, absolutely. 100% a serpent.

Cristina: For some reason, he only makes halves and halves.

Jack: All of them are. Now they're really overpowered to the point that they are more OP than a bunch of the s***. Alicians didn't like some of this crap because of how OP it is. Meaning they felt, you know, some of these things were a problem to some degree, but they weren't. Naga, is it because it's impossible to actually go all the way? But no, because we know of people who've accomplished it.

Cristina: Yeah. So did they do it on purpose? And what was the purpose?

Jack: What is ultimately the purpose? So I dive into the story to just what do the Greek have to say about this? What is the main narrative about Lamia? So here we go. First of all, Lamia was the queen of Libya according to the Greeks.

Cristina: What?

Jack: She was the queen of Libya. Okay, but weird that the queen of Libya is a half serpent, half a woman. But whatever. The Greek had weird stories to tell.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, everything was odd. Now, where this became really interesting to me is the fact that she was in love and loved by Zeus.

Cristina: Okay, yeah. Well, she always have snakes, though. Is that part of her story? Okay.

Jack: She's always been.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Always been half serpent. And Zeus is into serpents, I guess.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And upon finding out that Zeus was having an affair with her, Hera becomes jealous and curses Lamia to lose her children.

Cristina: Oh, hush. Okay.

Jack: And transforms her into a monster who would devour the children of others.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Whoa.

Jack: Hardcore.

Cristina: Hardcore.

Jack: So let's unpack this for a bit. Zeus loves a half serpent lady, but I guess he's a God and he f**** random s***. Like, whatever, dude, you're God. What is a human to you? You're a God.

Cristina: He's with someone who is not cool with.

Jack: He's someone who's not cool with that. But he's always cheating on her. All his children are from different women. And he has, like, 100.

Cristina: Yes. But does she get her revenge like this to every single lady?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Like, how does.

Jack: Hera is. Hera is known as a total b****.

Cristina: He's also a monster. That's okay. With the reaction. Her reaction. Whatever he does. Because he's not getting hurt. It's just the people he's with getting hurt, and he's not feeling that well.

Jack: The logic goes as follows. He loves one person deeply, and that's Hera. He loves other people. Not deeply. He loves to love. It's the idea of, you can truly be in love with one person and love many other people who you're not in love with. Yeah, you want to be romantic, and, yeah, you want to f*** and you want to have. But there's one person who you are committed to.

Cristina: But do you not feel bad for these people that are suffering?

Jack: Well, they know they are also involved. They are not an uninformed party.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In all of these cases, they are the informed party. Everybody's informed.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Zeus is not a liar.

Cristina: There's a chance that you'll die or you'll have to kill your loved ones to be with me. That's. That's tough.

Jack: No, I'm sure all of these God women are like, I could take. Oh, I guarantee you, every single one of them. The gods are full of themselves.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Every single one is like, I could take her. It's not a problem. But Zeus has always been committed to Hera. And he's like, I'm not gonna say to my wife, she said, you banned, so you banned.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But Hera is fine until she's not.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, she knows. And then I guess she just doesn't want to see it ultimately just like, don't bring it around me. Don't bring it around me. You come home to me and you don't bring any of them b****** around me. And when she sees them b******, them b****** gotta die or become other s*** or whatever the f*** she does.

Cristina: Just live a miserable, miserable life.

Jack: Yes. But to his defense, he 100% seems absolutely committed to Hera, because that's who he doesn't violate. She's like, I gotta kill this person. He's like, s***, I guess you gotta kill this b****. And it's like, d***, bro. Okay, you at least committed, okay? And like, I respect that. I respect the guy who can stay committed. And realistically, yeah, you love other people. Realistically, but you're not going to betray who you're in love with, which is Hera. Great important detail because of where this is going to go.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: That was. That was not without purpose. That rant was absolutely within reason. All right, so, yeah, Hera kind of notorious for tossing people into weird situations, killing them, turning into other s***, ranking them, sending them into other f****** planes of existence.

Cristina: Do you know what kind of monster she turned her into? Like, what does she look like?

Jack: He. She made her existing form feral. She was a woman, and now that woman became a monster based on that woman. Oh, so it's just she became a feral monster. She was still a woman snake thing, but now she was a snake woman. She wasn't before she was a woman snake. Now she's a snake woman, if that makes sense.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And like, yes, that's the priority right there. She's like, okay, now you're primarily the serpent. Enjoy killing all the children you would love.

Cristina: Harsh. Okay?

Jack: Hardcore.

Cristina: Hardcore.

Jack: But if she knew, then she opted into the possibility. That's more on her for thinking she could step into number one spot. And it's like, we all know where Zeus stands, and it's by Hera.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: There's not a soul who's ever questioned if Zeus is going to turn on her. He's not going to. Why would he? Which means you opted into the situation to some degree. You weren't aware of what extent or what move. But you know, if you get busted, you. You f*****. And so you did, and I f*****. Okay, now let's break apart her appearance a little. Described as having the upper body of a beautiful woman and the lower body of a serpent. Right, let's dive into a little more detail. One thing that I found, which, again, as I say it, the image as I keep Moving forward, the image is going to build itself. She has the ability to shapeshift.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that's an important little detail right.

Cristina: There because that's always involved.

Jack: That's a clever little tidbit. Oftentimes into either a pure woman or a pure serpent. Those seem to be her main go to. She can shapeshift into other things. But when she's in her pure woman form, after her interactions with Hera, she lures men in this woman form, and usually men with children, intentionally trying to get to the children and eat them.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: And when she's in a pure serpent form, she uses that to blend into nature where there would already be children.

Cristina: She's actually. Oh, my gosh. That's horrifying.

Jack: Yeah. She became. It's not just like, you're gonna be a thing. And it's like, yeah, I'm gonna go live my life as the same s***. I am just waiting. No. Hera f***** this lady.

Cristina: Now she hungers for children.

Jack: Now she hungers for children.

Cristina: Oh. Oh.

Jack: Weird, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Lamia, the lady who will eat children. But again, there's some patterns that are forming. I don't know if you're spotting them as I'm going through this. Shapeshifters, children.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Let's dive into some of these behaviors. They are going to paint even stronger image. She usually appears at night. Succubus behavior right off the bat. And the fact that you're luring men. Odd.

Cristina: Odd.

Jack: Luring men at night.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Sounds like a succubus. As far as I know.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: Which is already a shadow realm creature. So luring men at night and using the darkness to confuse and more easily abduct. Very, very succubus. The only difference is succubus are kind of mermaid, like always by water and s***. It's most likely a succubus is a mermaid and a mermaid is a succubus. Maybe different variations of the same thing. And by the end of this episode, if we remember, we could address that because it's gonna make sense why we would have to compare those things if we remember to.

Cristina: Okay, so you saying she didn't like magically turn her into a feral being. Now she is like the feral version of whatever creature she was. Like adrenochrome. Maybe she was given adrenochrome and killed and now she's after that or something like.

Jack: It's complicated. No, she was definitely a serpent woman.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There are serpent women? Yes, according to the Greek myths.

Cristina: But now she's a feral serpent.

Jack: Yes. But I don't think she was the non feral version of something that's inherently feral.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think there are just, according to the Greek myths, serpent people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Who are just normal people. And then there's weird other anomalies like the Gorgons and s*** like that. Or the Grogans. It's either Grogan or Gorgon. I don't f****** know. Medusa and her sisters and Keto, things like that. So those are weird artificial violent things. While Lamia didn't seem to be. It was just more of a literal person who happens to be of a specific race, maybe or something. It's not entirely clear. Yeah, there's actually very little information on this. This was a particularly difficult find, which is what made it more interesting because of the paths I had to take to get here. That informed quite a bit. But yeah, it looks like she was not some kind of weird thing. She was turned feral.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And there isn't a thing like that. As far as we know, that is specifically her kind of a creature that was a person. Or that she's the non feral version of something specific or race or something. It looks like she's just part of a race of people who happen to be. I don't know where the f*** the rest of her people are. There's no mention to that. Maybe you just made the weird serpent lady queen because she doesn't look like the rest of you. I don't really know the logic behind it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But she was just a normal person other than her half serpent part. Now, when in her serpent form, she is known for consuming the children. When in her woman form, she is known for luring men. And when they don't have children, she kills the man.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Then there is little detail about what happens to the man that might inform what happens to the children. Because it's always described as eating. But when in her woman form, she is known for luring men. And when they don't have children, she kills the man and drinks her blood.

Cristina: Of course.

Jack: Of course. Very specific behavior. Now we gotta address how Hera accomplished this. Exactly.

Cristina: That's what I'm wondering. She turned her into.

Jack: Well, that's the end of the story. According to the the narrative of the Greek myth that is most promoted based on this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There's no more information right after that. That's where it ends. These are the events that took place. So what the h*** did Hera do?

Cristina: She turned her into. I don't know, a shadow realm creature.

Jack: Somehow How? The. She obviously drowned her in adrenochrome or some s***. Force fed her some s***. But how had she know? I mean, they're always f****** around with adrenochrome. But Hera knows.

Cristina: Why not?

Jack: Why would she?

Cristina: I don't know, but it depends. Like, what happens to these other women that she tortured?

Jack: Nothing like this.

Cristina: Nothing like this.

Jack: No, I would have. I would have talked about it. Obviously. Okay, so no, this is the case.

Cristina: This is the one case that happens.

Jack: At least this way. Yes, I looked at the other women. No, this is the one.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: So what the f*** happened? So she finds the lady and then what? You force fed her a dream? Where the f*** did you get a dr? How do you know adrenochrome was a thing? Even if you heard him talk about adrenochrome, how do you know specifically how to get it, how to make it? Hera knows a little something.

Cristina: Has to know something. Part of the team.

Jack: One of the gods, you would think, right? Yeah, but then who's on her side? Everybody's on Zeus side. Yeah, and Zeus sides with Hera. But Zeus isn't gonna tell his homies. Go, obey Hera. No, in fact, his homies tend to not like Hera a lot.

Cristina: Yeah. So she was snooping around somebody.

Jack: They would have caught her. Bro, we're talking about the most secure facilities in existence.

Cristina: There's no way she just stumbles upon this either.

Jack: Exactly the problem. There's also no way she entered these facilities. There's no way. Not in a billion trillion years. Considering specifically who she is and how she's known to behave, doubtful they would have let her anywhere near one of their labs. 100 guarantee you she didn't end it. I looked just to confirm the fact. Like, did she? There's no narrative that talks about her entering spaces relative to this. If there is, she was so f****** sneaky that nothing was registered ever. And we're talking about quite advanced facilities. She would have been busted.

Cristina: But how did she do this?

Jack: Then it has to be outside of the facility.

Cristina: How?

Jack: How did she accomplish turning Lamia into a feral person?

Cristina: How do you think?

Jack: Well, I don't know my conclusion, my thought is that perhaps she caught her and force fed it to her. But then the question is, how did she acquire? How would Hera stumble upon adrenochrome? What paths could she take? Who do we know that she could have been in contact with? There's so little about this interaction.

Cristina: And anyone she knows because we don't know anyone that talks about that's involved in adrenochrome.

Jack: We know many who are involved in adrenochrome. What do you mean?

Cristina: But, like, in the Greek gods. Any of them.

Jack: All of them have touched it one way or another. They literally discovered ambrosia. They have ichor in their position. And they have nectar, which a bunch of them consume specifically because they couldn't figure out how to do it without it, the way that the Elysians did with the stones and other methods. Okay, so they definitely had access to it. But why would she? And how would she.

Cristina: But why wouldn't she? Like she's one of them.

Jack: No, she's not.

Cristina: She's not.

Jack: She's the wife of Zeus. But she's not a scientist. She's just the wife of Zeus. And a particularly wild gun that they're not gonna let into their facilities, destroy all their s***.

Cristina: Mm. She knows enough. I don't know. It doesn't. It feels weird that she would just know how to do this.

Jack: We're missing the middle part, where somehow she did, in fact, acquire adrenochrome and then force fed it to this lady or something. What we know is that she knows Zeus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that this lady became some feral thing. And everything in the middle described is obviously adrenochrome related, but we also know she had no interaction with any other scientists in the facility, and that none of them like her.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And there's no mention. Not one. Which it would have. We found threads of the randomest s***. Not one mention of her hanging out or associating with any of these things.

Cristina: But she knows, Deuce. And he knows the information.

Jack: Yes. He's also not going to tell the lady, who is constantly having mood swings and having weird power moments.

Cristina: He doesn't have, like, the work at home.

Jack: And I assure you he doesn't, considering that it's the same work that the Elysians would like to confiscate. You're going to keep it in the most secure place, away from where they can easily come and take it from you. They're kind of op. You're going to take your work home, knowing how this s*** could just go down. Yeah, and they never did. Which means you didn't take the work home. Or you did take it home, and for whatever reason, they were just like, oh, let it go. And then this lady's op, that doesn't work out.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They're too thorough. Deletions are mechanically thorough. It's computers at this point.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So he never took the work home. She Never entered the lab. His workers don't like her. And she still managed to turn the lady into obviously speaking an adrenochrome rampant creature. Who needs more adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Weird. And I don't know. So we know Hera has banished many women different ways. Never this way. And she is again hated by everybody. Nobody sides with her. They all side with Zeus. Although Zeus is a ruthless maniac himself. The loyalty or fear, one or the other. But then Hera behaves this way. It's definitely not the fear. Loyalty. They must just like him more. Yeah, but then again he is creating these. He kind of just successful at doing some s***. It's impressive. So successful. For many years we thought he was just some background noise that was being ignored by the Alicia. And then we found out he was one of the few to accomplish some of these really complicated things that the rest of them failed at. Like creating successful Naga. Even if it took a bunch of s***** experiments to get there.

Cristina: But she's one of them. No, she. She wasn't made at all.

Jack: No, she was just already a person who existed like that. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There must be a race. There's other serpent people who are not anything weird.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Greek mythology is packed with serpent people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Some made like the Grogans. And some who were just born that way. Like Keto.

Cristina: But I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, neither do I. Interesting though, the fact that she had the ability to do this.

Cristina: Yes. Without any help. As far as anyone can tell, without.

Jack: Any help they have their kingdom. And she managed to get a hold of Lamia and somehow force feed Lamia or Tricker or something. And she then becomes this feral creature.

Cristina: That's ridiculous. I don't know. It feels like she needed help. But who would help her?

Jack: Okay, so then I will continue forward since trying to figure it out is a pointless endeavor. Now we've done appearance, we've done behavior. Now here's where we get into the weeds of the situation. We have to deep dive into the hard explain many different texts, primarily focusing on Homer and Apollonius. But there are six or seven different versions of different texts that are going to inform the story. There's a lot of cross referencing that piece this together. But again we're focusing on the texts from Homer and Apollonius. Although there are some details from other individuals here. Now we find the story plays out a little differently when we do look at their references. And the story begins with a lady called Khalees. So Khalees is the name of a woman with which Zeus was having an affair.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: One of the many. And is discovered by Hera. Now, very important to point out that in the Greek myth that is popular, Hera always knows that is explicitly mentioned. It's also explicitly mentioned in Apollonius's writing that she didn't know and she discovered Khalees.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Hence the anger in the first place.

Cristina: That makes changes.

Jack: Cheating on me, you piece of s***. Blah, blah, blah. What the f***? Imma smack that b**** up. You know, Instead of being angry at Zeus, you cheating piece of s***, now I'm gonna smack that b**** up. Khalees probably didn't even f****** know. Then again, he's Zeus. Khalees probably knew. Yeah, he probably knows. You know who Hera is. Come on, bro.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: They're the rulers. You knew he was sneaking around. You had it coming.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now details that matter without Zeus being aware. During Khaleesa's final visit, Hera uses Zeus guards and has Khalees royal guards killed. Then tosses Khalees alive into a snake pit to die.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Hmm?

Cristina: They just have a snake pit.

Jack: It's ancient Greece.

Cristina: I know. This is so crazy.

Jack: The snake pit consists of hundreds of snakes no larger than a human arm, according to Homer's texts. No, Hugh. Because my initial thought is you're gonna fuse with a f****** snake or something. I don't f****** know. Yeah, it's ancient Greek mythology because this girl Khalees is not a serpent woman. Let me point that out. Apollonius says beautiful woman, pointing out that she has walked a long time because her legs were visibly muscular.

Cristina: She's human, pure human.

Jack: Khalees was pure human, while Lamia was not. Lamia is bottom half serpent. But Apollonius doesn't agree with this narrative. Apollonia says, no, that was a woman. He was having an affair with a normal human woman probably.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And thus makes more sense that she was the queen of a civilization of normal human people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And definitely there's no such thing as normal born f****** earthling.

Cristina: Are you talking about the same person?

Jack: Yes, this is the same story. Oh, this is them all talking about the same.

Cristina: One of them that we already talked. Yes.

Jack: The Greek myth and everything I'm telling you right now is their take on the same Greek myth.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: This is Homer, Apollonius and a few others talking about this very same story.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which puts Khalees, the queen of Libya, as just a human.

Cristina: Okay. Which makes more sense. All right.

Jack: Just a human lady called Khalees. And she had very muscular legs because she. Not muscular, but she had toned legs. Because she walked a very long time. She loved walking. And she had royal guards who Hera had her royal guards disposed of on.

Cristina: Her visit and then murdered her.

Jack: Threw her in a snake pit.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: To die. Didn't say she murdered her. She threw her in a snake pit to die, which presumably she died there, but that doesn't mean she murdered her. Snakes would have.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She definitely left her to die, though. And again, the snake pit consisted of small snakes for the most part. No snake is eating her whole. That would be impossible. To the length of an arm. You can't eat her. Okay, so interesting little details.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The pit was explicitly designed to starve people to death if the snakes don't squeeze them to death. Lovely ancient torture device. Lovely ancient torture device. The important part comes now. We shift our view now entirely to Homer because Homer had some interesting tidbits that didn't make it to any other body, anybody else's story, and didn't even focus on the family. It focused on a random guard.

Jack: Let us unpack. With the upper body of Khalees and the lower body of a serpent. A guard sees Khalees flee into the forest during the night.

Cristina: What did he see?

Jack: The guard sees the upper body of Khalees and the lower body of a serpent flee into the woods.

Cristina: Okay, so she somehow transformed in the snake pit.

Jack: But how?

Cristina: How? Yes, how? That's very strange. That's his part of the story.

Jack: That's his contribution. He gave us this tidbit that nobody else mentioned, but allows us a little more information than just somehow. A civilization of humans put a serpent woman in charge of them fearlessly. No, it makes more sense to put a Greek God. They look like humans who are just real op and huge.

Cristina: Yes. But he's trying to explain how she looks.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: I don't know. That's weird.

Jack: Got muddy quick, right?

Cristina: Yeah. Unless that wasn't like a normal snake pit.

Jack: It was absolutely a normal snake pit.

Cristina: Well, how would she walk away like that?

Jack: I don't know. She gets tossed in the pit. And then a few days later, a guard doing his rounds sees her upper body somehow bottom half. Serpents now fleeing the pit into the woods, into the forest, casually.

Cristina: She somehow transformed in the snake pit.

Jack: She somehow transformed in the snake pit? Yes. At least it seems that way.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: That is weird.

Jack: Very, very strange. So what do we believe happened here then?

Cristina: I don't. It wasn't a normal snake pit. Do you think it was a normal snake pit?

Jack: It was. I'll tell you what. The next line in his story. His correction of the story tells us, which will enlighten a little more. The next morning, after the guard reports what happened, they visit the pit and find Khaleesa's body still in the pit.

Cristina: So it was involved Shadow Realm.

Jack: It did not.

Cristina: It's a shadow Realm creature of her. But her dead body's there. So he did not see her dead body. No, but it was her. Is her adrenochrome version? I don't know.

Jack: Her body is still in there.

Cristina: Her body's still there.

Jack: She is f****** dead.

Cristina: Yes. But there's something out there.

Jack: Yes, for sure. There definitely is. A woman gets tossed into a snake pit where she fears for her death. The snake pit is filled with snakes who are going to attempt to eat the woman as she fears.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: For her life.

Cristina: Yes. This is adrenal chrome related. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. And a serpent woman gets seen leaving. And all Adrenochrome creatures seem to have the ability to shape shift.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So a serpent got adrenochrome and turned into saw. The only thing there that wasn't a serpent. Its intellect, as we know with adrenochrome, tends to skyrocket as long as you continue consuming it. And you have quite an amount here that's just persistently there. And so you kill her while she's screaming and panicking and she's being choked out in just fear in the most horrific of ways. And then this serpent or multiple. Who the h*** knows at this point? But at least one.

Cristina: At least one. Yeah.

Jack: Turns out into an adrenochrome creature. A hundred percent. Just fully converts.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then turns like, tries to imitate what she was, what she looks like. But again, it's fresh. It doesn't know what the f*** it's doing. It's just newly. A creature has to discover its abilities, has to figure out how it works and all these things. So it managed half of a transformation that kind of sort of looked like her.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then the pit is deep. Somehow still managed to get the f*** out of there. Like Adrenochrome creatures, you're thinking outside the box. You figured it out.

Cristina: But it's a feral Adrenochrome creature.

Jack: Why is it feral?

Cristina: Because it's eating children and stuff.

Jack: Eventually it will.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But actually, we haven't even gotten to any part in which this correction story even mentions anything like that.

Cristina: Oh, okay. I'm gonna guess that that's part of it.

Jack: That's. Yes, that's literally us using the parts we have to figure it out. Which is the logical conclusion, you got adrenochrome, but you didn't know you had to continue getting adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So you became feral, and you go out and once in a while you get adrenochrome without knowing you should keep getting adrenochromes. Now you're just a feral thing, casually killing s*** like a wet judge. Except the wet judge is on the other side. You've not died. You're a physical thing who just persistently exists.

Cristina: Yes. I forget that creatures here can do that, though. I always think it's like you have to die and then.

Jack: Yes, I know. Like I said, I'm present and remember the things.

Cristina: There's a lot of information to remember.

Jack: Oh, yeah. And I connect all of it, as would happen. But, yeah, that seems to be the case. This is all from Homer. This last part started, which makes sense days later. Yeah. So the creature with the upper body of Khalees and the lower body of a serpent is seen leaving into the forest in the night. While the guards making his rounds, he goes and he tells Hera and Zeus and the guards and everybody else like, this is what I saw. And then the next morning, they come and they see Khaleesa still there. Bro, like, you're out of your f****** mind.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You're seeing s***. That's impossible. Okay, she's still there, but there was something that fled into the woods.

Cristina: Yeah. That looked like a half lady, half snake.

Jack: Half lady, half snake. Interesting, though.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which then corrects the story of Lamia, because there's no such thing as a woman named Lamia. There's a creature named Lamia.

Cristina: And that's not his whole story, though. Homer's version.

Jack: That's the whole addition. The rest of it kind of falls in line with what was already discussed. That's his final input that didn't exist previously. Okay, so he finishes off fleshing out this narrative. Now, the name Khalees barely shows up anywhere. These two texts are the two of the only mentions with the addition of a couple of other texts. They don't mention her name. They mention the same story from different points and a little couple of details, but the name literally shows up and refers to the events of Lamia, but without mentioning Lamia, they mention specifically Khalees. And Khalees is not a serpent person, but in the Greek myth, the Lamia is a serpent person.

Cristina: Okay, so after her transformation, she. She's known as Lamia, but before her transformation, she's just a lady named.

Jack: And the narrative we get from the Greek is completely afterwards, but a merge of the events before.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So it looks like he was with a serpent woman, but where the were the serpent women born? What the.

Cristina: Yeah. So it was just a woman. He was just with some lady and horrible things happened to her. Because that's what happens when you're with him.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Yes. Yes, yes.

Cristina: That's crazy. That's an actual story of a not.

Jack: Non accidental adrenochrome situation.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Somebody gets tossed into a pit, fears for their life, happens to be with the thing that's gonna kill them. The thing is, it's very similar to the warwolves.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, we have stories like that, but there is usually in the wild happening. It's not around.

Jack: Yeah. Rarely is it like, again, the werewolves is a weird one.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's literally starved wolves because war scared all the other creatures away. And these guys are just dying, starved. And there's bodies everywhere. You eat what you can, bro, but fresh bodies from war.

Cristina: Oh, half dead, already scared out of their minds.

Jack: Some still alive and screaming because they got crap blown off and s***. Just cut and like, holy f***.

Cristina: Making werewolves.

Jack: Making werewolves. Oh, and this is very similar to that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You got a snake pit, which means really, really, really. Ultimately, if you look at the amount of serpent creatures that come out of India and the amount of serpent creatures that come out of Greece, the people who invented the f****** snake pits, suddenly the picture builds clearly. You're tossing people into snake pits casually as a prison sentence, as a death sentence.

Cristina: They probably have many stories of these human.

Jack: Maybe not. Maybe not many creatures stories, but. Oh, yeah, yeah. Not stories about pushing the people into thinking them turning, but definitely many, many, many, many serpent, human creatures.

Cristina: Yes, yes, yes, yes. Because I'm pretty sure they have the ones like the flying snake thing, that's just a witch who turns into a flying snake or whatever.

Jack: And it's like sketchy. No, there's something wrong going on here, buddy.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: But you see how interesting.

Cristina: Yes, I see. It makes sense, though.

Jack: Yeah, that is definitely it. At least it seems to be the case on how the events unrolled were like that.

Cristina: It makes way more sense than the original.

Jack: Yeah, for sure. The original is just a myth.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's why we can't take the myths at face value because they're usually bullshit. It's a bunch of warped, twisted stories trying to attach morality or some s***. It's like people aren't moral. They just do s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like the truth behind Homer and Apollonius takes on it are just People doing s***. And like her is kind of a loose cannon.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's no way she was going to be allowed into a lab. She's just tossing b****** into snake pits, bro. Come on.

Cristina: That is amazing.

Jack: I'm not going to let her into a lab and then she has a mood swing and thrashes hundreds years worth of research.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She would never be allowed into any s*** like that. But she does toss b****** in the snake pits casually.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's just some s***. Who knows how many of these women turned into this s***. Now, again, the story of the Lamia plays out this way, but all these other narratives are also real exaggerated and sort of fluffed up, so they don't show any kind of reality to them. Probably a bunch of these b****** got tossed into snake pits.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Even if we don't have snake stories.

Cristina: Of them and their stories, they probably just. They died.

Jack: Yeah, they just f****** died. Yeah. It's like maybe she was too confident and like, not enough adrenochrome. So you didn't make a monster. Because I'm sure sometimes maybe you just fall, hit your head. No fear was felt.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah. Some people just die.

Jack: You just die. Yeah. And so not everybody became a creature. But this was a weird instance.

Cristina: She probably made a few creatures by accident.

Jack: I'm sure she made a couple. I'm sure. In India. I mean, we know based on just this new context.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We know snake pits have resulted in snake like creatures. Multiple. Many.

Cristina: Yeah. And there's got to be people who saw it happen. Like this random guard.

Jack: Yes. Which means we could probably assuming it happens after the time of record keeping. Somebody penned the paper, Right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now, what does it ultimately mean? We know that the serpent surrounding Khalees, while she was horrified, literally being squeezed to death, were exposed to the adrenochrome. One of the abilities of creatures and adrenochrome that most commonly is acquired is shape shifting. We see it talking everywhere, and the leftover body of Khalees assures us she was in fact, still physically there. So she's not who turned. She actually did die, which created the Adrenochrome. That was important. So one of the serpents morphed over the days. Interesting enough. It also gives us insight into the transformation, because nothing gets bigger or smaller other than Ophiomorphous, the artificial Naga created by Yaldabaoth in the Shadow Realm. That one can alter its scale, but we don't know of other Naga to alter their scale. So that's not a thing. And we don't know shape shifters to alter their scale. So he would have imitated her. It would have just been a tiny arm length snake with half of it being a tiny arm length Khalees.

Cristina: That's weird.

Jack: Yeah, but that's not what they saw come out. She was full size, maybe a little bigger than Khalees. That's the adrenochrome. It's morph increased its size dramatically, which tells us what happened. We don't have many takes on serpents being exposed to adrenochrome.

Cristina: No, but now definitely one of them.

Jack: Yes, definitely, yes.

Cristina: The whole victims of children and men.

Jack: On point. Yeah, on point. So it grew in size like 10 times, 20 times, 30 times. Whatever made it bigger than Khalees by default. And it did its best to imitate what it was seeing around it with one of its abilities. And it didn't fully maximize it, but it got enough to confuse the h*** out of a guard and then fled. It somehow climbed out of the pit, which is whole complicated thing, but again, weird abilities it has. And now it's got arms that it could imitate to have. And like odd, but. And it was days later it was in that pit hours and hours and hours exploring what it was now. Horrifying, you know, so it's. It probably turned into a million things in there trying to figure it out. Anomalous things, shapeless things that just don't make sense. Anybody who looked into that hole must have been mind looking in there.

Cristina: Except no one would because like why?

Jack: It's just dead people in snakes. Yeah, but that's what we got. The lamia is not a woman. The lamia is a serpent. Adrenochrome creature. The controlled version of a serpent. Adrenochrome creature. But that tells us what?

Cristina: There's more.

Jack: That there's more. And not just more. There are literally three other variations to this same creature. Not just more of the creature. This same one creature can have four different states based on what it is. It would have thalamia, which is it on adrenochrome, but that is not what is out there eating children casually. That is what left the pit. The lamia, the controlled thinking, logical, trying to figure itself out, highly intelligent version. That is not what's out there killing men and children.

Cristina: That's just a big snake.

Jack: Well, no, that would be the feral version.

Cristina: Yeah, but that's it.

Jack: Yeah, I guess it would, but it's not a snake. It stopped being a snake.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now it's an adrenochrome Thing. Yes, because the snake would not have been on adrenochrome. And in deep diving, trying to figure out how this all fits together, I successfully did in fact find them. And they all happen to be based around the same area, and they all happen to be based around the same time. So presumably either a s*** ton of these m************ were made, or we can track the specific one that ate Khalees. There is a creature called a dracana, and it's all the identical characteristics of the lamia, with details like it being more monstrous and feral, less human and more driven by primal bloodlust. And texts suggest its behaviors are similar to the lamia. Only difference in the excessive amount of aggression that it shows. The lamia seems passive and it likes to hide. It's staying away from things. Someone don't catch me, don't see me, don't spot me. I gotta be in the COVID of night, in the dark. The dracana doesn't give a. That rolls up on towns, that rolls up on city. It doesn't give a. Broad daylight. It doesn't give a. It's eating.

Cristina: It's eating. Okay, so this is the feral.

Jack: This is a creature people run from towns, from, okay, destroyed villages because this rolled through.

Cristina: Oh, that's crazy.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which as you'd expect of an adrenochrome creature, oftentimes we don't get something crazy vicious because it's something stupid. But sometimes we get like, you know, if a groundhog. Like, whatever, dude. But if a wolf takes it, okay, we got a bit of a problem. We got nothing but stories of villages being terrorized by werewolves.

Cristina: Mm

Jack: Because when it's bad enough, it's bad enough.

Cristina: Horrible.

Jack: It's horrible. Werewolf. That's a f****** problem. Evacuate. Leave the f****** country. If you can get as far away, put water in between you, it's a f****** werewolf.

Cristina: Yeah, and I'm.

Jack: You know, most werewolves have started themselves out into the shadow realm. Ultimately as we got more technologically advanced and built structures that couldn't get through and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So in modern day, we see way less adrenochrome driven creatures because they will starve to death, minus the humans who can create farms easily.

Cristina: Yes, we don't have a problem.

Jack: We can solve our issues. But that's definitely the dracaena. If it. All the characteristics all perfectly, minus the fact that it's out of its f****** mind and fits the characteristics of what we're referring to as the Lamia. See, when we Talk about the Lamia. We're converging two stories of Khalees and a serpent, but the eating children and men were actually converging. The third part, the Jacana. So we're talking about three different instances of Khalees as a woman, of a serpent imitating Khalees and of the Jacana, all overlapping in one narrative that the Greek gave us. Because the lamia never hurt anybody. The lamia dipped into the woods and.

Cristina: That was the end of that.

Jack: That was the end of that.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then we get the dracaena once that s*** goes feral and didn't get exposed enough, and now it's out of his f****** mind and has to just go eat whatever the h*** it comes across.

Cristina: And it wants children.

Jack: Yes. Now, the thing is, eventually that story fizzles out and we start seeing a very similar but different story about something called the echidna.

Cristina: Sounds familiar.

Jack: Is because Knuckles from Sonic is an echidna. But just the name of this thing is echidna. And in Greek mythology, the echidna is known as the mother of monsters, a half woman, half snake creature who gives birth to many of the famous monsters. In this context, the controlled shadow realm version of the Lamia would be the echidna. You make it into the shadow realm because you've died. But once in the shadow realm, you reset, you start again. Insane. Not insane. You start sane. So you're back to clarity. Except if you don't understand how it works, it's only a matter of time before you're right back to feral. Yeah, but you've left the body. You no longer need the blood requirements, but you still need what you were getting from the blood, which is the fear. But you no longer need the blood. So you got some time now that you've died and gone to the other side. And that brings us to the echidna, this creature that seems to be an ethereal shadow ghost. Like half woman, half snake, sort of faded silhouette thing that shows up. And it does not eat people. It sort of scares people to death. Oh, haunts them. It surrounds your house.

Cristina: It wants to fear.

Jack: Wants a fear.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It shows up. It surrounds your house. It hits things. It'll be inside. It'll run up to you. It just scare you and disappear right into your face. It's a horrifying f****** monster that's just trying to scare the living f*** out of you.

Cristina: And it's also having babies.

Jack: According to the narrative, it's having babies. But when you look at the stories that are mentioned relative to this creature, there's not one mention of it. That's specifically the Greek narrative. That's the main Greek narrative. That's full of bullshit.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Again, we never take the main narrative at face value. It's always a lie.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We gotta take the details and. Yeah, so most of the narrative fits. The having babies part does not. But the having babies part is only mentioned in the main narrative and does not get mentioned ever again.

Cristina: Okay, so he. It's a ghost haunting.

Jack: It's a ghost haunting. And it's mentioned follows the dates that directly stop mentioning the dracaena.

Cristina: So that wild creature self died. Feral being. Maybe someone finally got it killed or something.

Jack: Yes. And then we have the ghost. The ghost.

Cristina: That's cool.

Jack: Eventually that must go feral, though.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because again, it's still uninformed. It's just a random thing. And then we get to something called the basilisk.

Cristina: Basilisk. And it's.

Jack: What is it described as? A deadly, mindless serpent spirit driven purely by instinct and fear.

Cristina: Of course. That sounds right. That sounds so right that all these match up in how they saw it.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: They are all the stages of this creature's life.

Jack: They're all the stages of the creature's life. And they're all top, woman, bottom, serpent.

Cristina: Has to be the same.

Jack: And we found the origin.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We can track this very instance to the very pit.

Cristina: This is crazy.

Jack: It's actually the first time we could do that.

Cristina: Yeah. Whoa.

Jack: Yeah. This is the clearest we've ever had.

Cristina: A situation that just lines up with every thing we thought about these creatures and how it works.

Jack: Yes. This answers many questions. Yes. As we were theorizing is the accurate turn of how it works. Every theory we had about how adrenochrome affects the body and what we are really getting from adrenochrome, which is ultimately the fear. And it's hard to even understand what exactly the concept of fear really is in a sort of tangible way.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because we're definitely not grasping it. We don't understand. Fear is something different to these things in general.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because why can these things tune into it? Must have already been something else. Why aren't they tuning into our happiness? You know, weren't they tuning into our sadness?

Cristina: Yeah. Because it's all the same. Well, to us, we think they're all the same.

Jack: Exactly. So it's. Fear is inherently something different.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And again, not just to the creatures. Because fear is what adrenochrome is. It's blood with adrenaline caused by fear.

Cristina: Yes. What is Happening. Okay.

Jack: We know Santa Claus, Mr. Clever, got planet Earth just having tiny little bits of faint fear. We know kids exaggerate smallest amount of fear. And he just needs kids to have a little bit of fear. He doesn't eat children. He doesn't do anything. He's just casual.

Cristina: But has accessed by it, though. So, like all of them.

Jack: But he's not some sort of creature. He's still, it seems, a necromancer. And necromancers can still wield things for power instead of having. Which he also has a stone on his staff.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So he has a stone and he's overpowered. That explains a lot. He has crazy powers. Entirely due to the fact that he has stones and still manipulating fear globally.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know. But we know he's not. He's not a human. He was a human once upon a time. Yes, but he is.

Jack: I mean, he might still be a human. We don't know what really to describe necromancers as.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Like, I think.

Cristina: But it does seem like they all went through death.

Jack: Yes, you're totally right. You're totally right. It seems in a couple of. In. You're totally right. Yes. In a couple of instances, there have been mentions that it appears to be that they must intentionally go through a process that they will die in. And that's where the original association with necromancers and death comes from. And if he is using necromancer abilities and is in any manner, shape or form, even scratching the powers of a necromancer, which we don't know. He's one of the only examples we have with, like, visible things that we can point at and be like, oh, this must be working in my favor. Like, yeah, definitely. It's hard to even grasp. But he had to die.

Cristina: I think.

Jack: So we know at least. Homer. Not Homer. Hermes. Jesus. Jesus. The best example, because, again, he couldn't go in there and do it. Dying was literally part of it.

Cristina: Yeah, it's part of the plan. That's crazy.

Jack: He's built in his own death. He managed to build the gates knowing he would need them to get back. He got back somewhere else entirely, so they couldn't stop him.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But he needed to die to do it.

Cristina: I'm pretty sure Patrick had a die too.

Jack: Maybe. I mean, the fact that he's so exaggeratedly overpowered and can so easily deal with even fairies.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Necromancers can't be touched.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Then the question that we have is, is Mab's problem? The Elysians or is Mab's problem that the Elysians are connected with Hermes? Is Hermes the issue? Is Jesus the issue? We know the Alicians at least had a heart attack after they lost control of that situation.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Get the out of here. We're all she was also fearing could totally be. Is Jesus gonna easily show up in El Fame and smack everybody around effortlessly? Sounds like Hermes can.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like I'd be shook too, if I made your universe and you can come over here and just f*** me.

Cristina: Mm. That's crazy.

Jack: But here we have the proof that it kind of works. As we suspected it would work.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: As we have talked that it would work for years. And it played out.

Cristina: Made from adrenochrome transforming.

Jack: And we can. There's. I didn't put the dates here, but the dates kind of follow one another in the right order.

Cristina: That's so crazy because it's exactly what we thought.

Jack: It's exactly what we thought in narrative form. Although the original narrative muddies it up. And unclear is everything we're looking at. Thank you to all the other record keepers. Primarily Homer and Apollonius, who had meticulous notes.

Cristina: That's nice.

Jack: And as we know, Apollonius is really just Apollo. And Apollo directly knew Hermes because they were both present with Aristotle.

Cristina: Ridiculous.

Jack: At the school. Lycium. Yep. Everything connects.

Cristina: Everything connects. Yeah.

Jack: And somehow the problem is how the h*** did Jesus come in contact with anybody? Did Jesus didn't go to Elysium. How did Jesus. Jesus is so complicated.

Cristina: I don't know. He has some. I don't know.

Jack: He has some connection somewhere. Somewhere he must. Or he figured it out. But how? We're talking. The Elysians were definitely trying to figure this s*** out. And you alone with no help from anybody. Get the f*** out of here, bro.

Cristina: He had to have help. If he didn't like how.

Jack: Oh, s***. I just had a theory right now. It just came to me. Well. Well, I guess it kinda does make sense that he would just know. Let's look at the evidence. What is the biggest problem with Jesus that caused everybody to go.

Cristina: Everyone knew about him.

Jack: Everybody knew about him. What does that tell us? He's sending a mental wave of some sort.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah. It's coming from him.

Jack: It's coming from him outward. He was throwing a beacon back in time into the future. And in the present. This is where I am. Everybody was having visions, dreams, and everything about where he is.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now what do we know? Following logical standing. If we think about Santa, what's one of the most Exaggerated things about Santa being everywhere. He just knows what you're doing casually.

Cristina: That's pretty powerful stuff.

Jack: Is that mental blast or whatever the f*** when Jesus was born.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So if Santa, some underpowered thing compared.

Cristina: To Jesus can do it, still know everything.

Jack: He could literally just know everything. Yes, as long as you know it. And as long as you don't have some sort of magneto brain cover protecting you from him looking into your mind or whatever. And even if maybe he's not. Not even looking at your mind, maybe he can just witness moments in space and time.

Cristina: Jesus is. I guess, I mean, that's why he's a God. He is God. He's the son of God. He is God though. That's a God power.

Jack: Yeah. You couldn't hide from him if you wanted to. He just knows. Okay. We hid it over there. Yeah. I know where they hit it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, he'll never find out about these things. Oh yeah. I can just see their library and I can just see them doing the research.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, how could they really hide?

Jack: How could you really hide? But in return, the flaw with that logic is why are you looking for them if you know where they are?

Cristina: Yes. So they must have figured out a way to block him. To block him? Yes. Yes. Yes.

Jack: Which means. Yes. Going to Atlantis was very intentional. Going to Atlantis also meant that's where they had built the protection field that prevents him from seeing them. He has no idea where Atlantis is.

Cristina: No.

Jack: They know how to become invisible.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Not just literally cloaking, but they know.

Cristina: How to block their minds.

Jack: Yeah, they know how to block s***. But then that comes up to the. Let's go back to the point again. If Jesus is so freaking overpowered and you can so easily just hide from him, then his map scared of you and not Jesus. At this point, the argument really stands on one thing. One of these guys is who worried this lady. It's either the Elysians and Jehovah.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or it was Jesus, which is a product of the Elysians and Jehovah. Anyways. But you know, we're still counting them as two separate entities, ultimately one two different units. And one of these units is triggering this lady into mobilizing elves into Stop. Could be basically being firewalls and trying to stop anybody else from getting to this level of power and trying to literally suppress the Elysians who went into hiding. And just who is she scared of? Is it Jesus or is the Alicians? They're not on the same side. One of those can easily side with her. To stop the other.

Cristina: I don't know. That's tricky. I don't know. It feels like it has to be Jesus because that's probably when she realized. No, like it is the Elysians, but it's because of Jesus that it's the Elysian.

Jack: Oh, like they could do some this. They could do this s*** again.

Cristina: Yes. And they probably would. They probably would. I don't know if they just learned their lessons. I feel like they're the type of scientists that are like, okay, plan one didn't work, let's go to plan two. Well, which is how we got other versions of Jesus that were way weaker after him. Like obviously they don't.

Jack: No, those were different people that was. We can follow him literally walking. Or do you mean like Muhammad and things like that? Because the people who were happening at the same time, we're not literally the same time. Kind of like this. We can track their dates back to back and we can follow every step Jesus took all the way to Japan. That was the same one, dude. That wasn't different people.

Cristina: No, I'm talking about like what's his name? Like the golem thing.

Jack: Oh, yes, yes. But that doesn't seem to have been Jehovah. That seems to have been information that came from the shadow realm. Kind of like the Viking forest. It was just something from the shadow and suspectedly that was Yaldabaoth just doing his own thing. Doing his own thing. And we know he did that with Eloi. He, you know, kind of influenced him. Like, hey, you could do this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Kind of do it that way.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: Yeah. But Jesus being this level of overpowered and Jehovah's ability to easily make more Jesus becomes kind of a problem, especially because like, you don't know if they're gonna become good or bad.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And like this Jesus, at least not a threat it seems, because he directly preaches peace, love and happiness. And his whole path, every single stop he made for rest. The narrative is the same. He took care of us. He told us to love one another and treat each other really well. And he just kept going on his way.

Cristina: We know the ultimate plan is some weird war against the sea people.

Jack: Well, this is the most important part of this entire episode right here because we are way over time and we have to address this. Anyways, the narrative of Jesus, without diving into the separate cross reference parts, just the book itself, the Holy Bible, which is a rewrite of true events into this warped version by the Templar.

Cristina: Okay, right, yeah.

Jack: It tells us a very important Thing about Jesus. But we also have to remember who's telling us the story. It tells us what's gonna happen with Jesus. What's gonna happen with Jesus?

Cristina: That he's gonna come back.

Jack: Yes. And who's telling us the story?

Cristina: Let's see, people.

Jack: Which tells us what? There's an inherent plan to make another one. There's an inherent plan to make another one. Another Jesus. There's an inherent plan in the book written, telling us there's another Jesus coming. We don't know what Jesus looks like specifically. They can make him look like whatever the f*** they want. Anybody they want. We just know that a person who fits the abilities and characteristics as mentioned in the book about Jesus is gonna return. That doesn't mean literally return. That's just what they want us to believe. Because they are the people who make this.

Cristina: Exactly. Okay, so they are planning.

Jack: Yes. Within the book. We literally have. We literally have their plan.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's telling us eventually we're gonna create another one. But we can't tell them it's another one.

Cristina: No. Because we don't want them to worry.

Jack: Yeah, well, no. We wouldn't even know. We think it's all one person anyways. We didn't know that he was even made.

Cristina: That's true. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. But the book directly. With all the information we have, the book directly tells us another one's happening. Another one's gonna happen. There was the plan. Always. The plan is we're gonna make a perfect version.

Cristina: That is horrifying. I don't know. I mean, like, if it works. But what does it mean? That it worked too.

Jack: Doesn't matter. The point ultimately comes down to the fact that that's whose map Mab is afraid of, like you said.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Maybe she's scared that they're gonna make another one.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And that one will be even harder to control.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Or not a good guy, especially in today's world. You want an overpowered, beyond godlike thing to have been raised by a current day human woman? We're f*****.

Cristina: I don't know their plan. Well, we don't understand their plan, but obviously they told us their plan. Like we know it's happening. Interesting.

Jack: More is to come.

Cristina: More is to come inevitably.

Jack: According to the Holy Bible.

Cristina: That's crazy. Yes. Okay.

Jack: The Knights Templar, controlled by the Elysian, specifically put in a book the corrected narrative that Jesus is coming back. We know Jesus is essentially a lab experiment. What does it mean that he's coming back if they can't control him? Means they're making another one.

Cristina: They're making another one.

Jack: So you were right about that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Anyways, that's what we got.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Yeah. So if you guys have any comments, questions, concerns, and if you guys want to yell at me for always being so ruthless to Christina, feel free. You guys can come and yell at me, too. You know. You guys know how it goes. You can do that and hate on us on our socials, at Just Combo pod on Twitter, which is X on Facebook, on Instagram, wherever the h***, just search it.

Cristina: Just combo pod. Remember to subscribe, rate, and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And word of mouth is one of the most important, overpowered things that exists. So tell people about the program and the fact that we're finding all these weird things.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: Sam.

Cristina: Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

August 03, 2024

Rambling 284: Sketchy Deal

August 03, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Who is the Boy boy by the Bridge? What is the Clinton Furnace? And who owns the area? The duo continue deep diving into the records of Clinton Road and its surrounding forest in an attempt to discover the origin of the Spacetime Distortions in the area. What’s uncovered is both shocking and exceptionally strange and mysterious. What does it mean? Anyone’s guess. Join us and find out what our duo uncover!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Boy by the Bridge
The Lady in White
Clinton Furnace
Newark Watershed Organization
Mysterious Contracts

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcription

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And so let's do a quick recap for anybody who is new and anybody who needs the recap that might have missed a couple of episodes. We totally got off the Elysians because we loot. You're using all of their awesome knowledge to find weird things current day instead of keep digging infinitely into the past. And boy, have we found some s***. So for anybody not aware using current day, I mean, using the knowledge we acquired from the past, we've looked at a couple of different things, including some ancient structures like Stonehenge. And we looked at the comparison. Yes. We looked at mysterious places. We looked at Skywalker Ranch. We looked at basically a bunch of things just using the acquired information. And in doing so we came across a couple of patterns. And then we applied these patterns to things we're personally familiar with because we can go investigate these things. And so in doing so, we've been going through Clinton Road making sense of the weirdness that happened 15 years ago. And we've actually come to some interesting informational conclusions using the cross reference information we have. Great. Fantastic. A couple of those details included an episode per episode take on all the different sections of things that are just echoes, things that are some phantoms of some sort, and actual total significant things. And within those groups we've come across other things to look at. Primarily the. The big focus that we had was to see what is out there that we can ground.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we went on the path of the. The lady.

Cristina: Yeah. Whether she's a shadow person or whatever. Yes, whatever she is.

Jack: And so we investigated that and there's a lot about her. It turns out as we deducted that there might be one person, might be one person. And there seems to be a literal timeline happening, a point in which they start to show up and a bunch of events that follow it. It looks like a girl shows up and then she's in panic for years. And slowly as time goes by, she's more adjusted to her scenario. Kind of like somebody got lost in the shadow realm and had to acclimate, but was scared at the beginning when we were seeing her. Scared. And then over time very adapted and over time trying to investigate the scenario, no longer scared of it. And eventually looks like a scientist almost Investigating and running tests out there. Almost ignoring the people that she sees. And that's weird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Specifically, something about the lake. She's taking samples and doing something to the lake. The lake is something important, although we can't tell what.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And we can't tell whether she was living in the castle or if that was a base of operations of some sort. Because a lot of times I just saw her hanging out, like, living there.

Cristina: I don't think she's living there because there's so much happening there that there's no way you can live there when.

Jack: There'S so much unless there's nothing happening. And all the people we see live there.

Cristina: That's a lot of people. Could be.

Jack: Could definitely be. So that's where we were. And one of the thing. One of the notes we came across was a couple of notes, actually, public records, mentioning this girl along with the boy. Those two separate occasions when she was seen with the boy. Once at the bridge and another one, another spot. And so I went ahead and I looked at the boy in particular, because we got the lady. And the lady is connected to another human. Who's the young boy on top of that. The lady began as a girl. Looked like a young girl in 1950, 1965. But the word girl became a lady, and the word lady became a woman as time went by. Giving us a visual that people are describing what they seem to be like.

Cristina: Aging person.

Jack: An aging person. The term seems accurate to them when they're describing it. Began with girl, cross through lady, and ended up a woman. That's an aging person. And by the understandings we have, people who age must be from this side. At least that's what it seems like to us.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess. Because we don't know what's happening.

Jack: Yes. We have no clue. So let us begin by showing you some images. And I want you to just tell the listeners what it is you're looking at. That's all that matters.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: They're going to see the images and post, like, the episode thumbnail and stuff like that. But it is very important that you look at this and tell me what it is you see.

Cristina: Are you somehow related to each other?

Jack: The same place?

Cristina: Okay, the first one. Because the first one, I can't really tell what it is.

Jack: Ruins.

Cristina: It's ruins. Yeah. The second one is a doorway into the ruins. Unless this is the tower or castle, whatever. No, but it doesn't look like a castle. And the third one, it looks like just a building in the forest.

Jack: Yeah. These are different angles at the same place.

Cristina: The third one doesn't look real, though.

Jack: No, the third one isn't real.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Is that like, what people think?

Jack: No, that's what it looks like. That's what it used to look like.

Cristina: What? Yeah, like what it used to look like, but like what people think it used to look like.

Jack: No, that's what it looks like. That's what it used to look like. Exactly what it used to look like. It just so happens to be a perfect rendition instead of a sort of rustic looking one. The idea was to get a perfect visual of what it looks like.

Jack: Which.

Cristina: It looks like a house, I guess. I don't know. It looks strange. It doesn't look like a house either. It looks like a building, but it doesn't look like anything.

Jack: Okay, saying it doesn't look like this, it doesn't look like that. Not helpful. Describe what you're looking at. You describe the doorway. That's.

Cristina: There's a doorway. There's a fireplace. I think there's something in the bottom. I don't know what that is. That's round, going down. Like a pipe. Yes, There you go. Pipe. There's a pipe.

Jack: A pipe. Doing what? Saying there's a pipe means nothing. There's a pipe going from the base wall down to a different. Down to. It turns down into another level. That's a description right there. It's turning from a second story down into a first story. The chimney you're describing is connected to the building, but towards the largest fragment of it. There are three different fragments to the tower, as far as we can tell. And we can confirm that based on the structure that we're looking at, where we can't see the other parts of it. It does have a triangular form. So there must be a more steady form behind it, which in other images you'll notice not. And I don't have the image here, but the. In the bottom image, you're looking at where the smaller piece that's actually behind the two images we're looking at.

Cristina: So there's two ways in.

Jack: There's not. I mean, yeah, sure, there's two ways in, but what you're looking at is. Yeah, yeah. So you're looking at the back of it and then the bottom one, we're looking at the front of it. That's technically the actual front.

Cristina: The bottom image, the bottom one is so dark, I can't tell if there's windows. Is there windows?

Jack: There are windows, yes.

Cristina: Okay. Because I know it look really strange if it's just two ways in and then windows. But okay, so there's windows. It looks like it's made out of some kind of brick.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And I'm not sure what it's supposed to. Like maybe it's a home.

Jack: It's not a home. Doesn't matter what you think it is. Just describe what you see.

Cristina: Yeah, that's all I see. A building, a forest.

Jack: All right, I'll keep adding some details. Yes. It's made out of a red and brown brick style. The main attraction here is the centerpiece that seems to be the focal point of almost every image. And the rest of the structures kind of fade away to the background. The tower has been knocked down over time. That's the most collapsed part. You can actually see it on the other side here. The building is towards the front and you can see the tower towards the back there. And the original building was well known for what you see here, the green. It was covered in moss everywhere. That doesn't get seen in the newer versions because the forest around it has been sort of killed by its own ruins.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah. Preventing the. It sort of covered the ability for dirt to grow grass and s***. So it's ruins are stopping the growth. And so the moss has vanished. And so everything is kind of disappeared. But ultimately it was very covered. Now what you're looking at is called the furnace.

Cristina: Furnace.

Jack: Yes. What you're looking at is called the furnace. And the furnace. That's why it has a chimney. That's where you would let the smoke out. The background pipe is to run different materials. And it's in facility. I cannot tell you what the f*** this was used for originally. There are so many stories, it's not even worth getting into. I'm not talking about what it was used for. Too many things. It's a furnace. Think of uses for it. People were using it for that. Whatever you can think of using cremation. Somebody cremated somebody there. You need to get rid of material that's toxic. Somebody did that in there. It's a furnace. It was used for whatever they say.

Cristina: It was used for. Whatever.

Jack: Yes. I'm telling you what? I'm telling you what. All the information I've acquired. Oh, I'm not adding any sauce to anything.

Cristina: Anything. Okay.

Jack: That was a furnace and was used for many things. I'm not sure which one of them were actually used for. These are just different things it could have been used for. So we're not even gonna bother talking about that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because I know you will. We're not Gonna break into what it was used for because it doesn't matter to the ultimate bigger picture of what we're gonna talk about.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The point of this furnace is that in looking for the kid, I found this. This is one of the places the kid was found. Really? Yeah.

Cristina: What? So that's somewhere in.

Jack: This is the Clinton furnace.

Cristina: Whoa. It's just in the middle of nowhere.

Jack: Just in the woods.

Cristina: That's. That's pretty creepy. But okay, yes.

Jack: So the bridge, very prominent location for the child. The furnace, second, very prominent location for the child. They show up in other places. These are the two most consistent, like last time, a bunch of records that I even put timelines about how often they were mentioned within these gaps. Same idea, except I'm not doing that timeline thing. But these were the two most extreme mentions at the bridge. But we've heard that one a lot.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And looking into that, found very little. Yeah, the furnace, weird anomaly. You start looking into the furnace, you find the furnace's existence. You find public records of the kid being mentioned. Oh, there's been a lost boy. We think we saw a boy loss. We think we saw runaway by there. All these different scenarios of there's a young boy somewhere around the ruins of the furnace.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Okay, okay, so that was interesting. So I start looking into the furnace.

Cristina: It has to be a hotspot, right?

Jack: It has to be a hot spot. Or it doesn't have to be a hot spot, but there's something weird about the furnace. And then we find only even in public records, even in documentations of construction, even. There's no direct link as to why this exists, just theories as to why it was there and what it was being used for. Yeah, very strange.

Cristina: How long ago do you have, like a year it was made or something?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Oh, wow.

Jack: No, it's just very obscure information on this. It's sort of unknown.

Cristina: It's just, it's a mystery.

Jack: It's a legitimate mystery.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: So I was, I wanted to know who owns this right now, who owns that? And like it's somebody's property. Otherwise I could just go there and say, it's mine. Yeah, somebody owns it.

Jack: So I look at who owns it and okay, it lands right back where we started. It was owned by the Newark Watershed Conservation and Development Corporation, the people who own the woods.

Cristina: Okay, so what were they doing?

Jack: Yeah, exactly. The problem is that existed already and it was bought by NORC when the other guy died. Okay, so we're gonna talk about that for a second. What do we what do you remember specifically about that? Or should I just go into it and not bother.

Cristina: Let me try. Let me try a little. Okay. See, they were hired to investigate the kkk. I think that's what I remember.

Jack: Okay, I'll jump into it. When the owner died, his. Their family. His family sold the property, the castle and the land to the NORC Watershed Organization, the new Watershed.

Cristina: Did you?

Jack: Yes, I did.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The Newark Watershed Organization was then contacted by the mayor.

Cristina: That's what I remember, the mayor.

Jack: So that they can work. I mean, they were. Contact. Yeah. The Norquater Shed and the mayor. Yeah. Mayor of West Milford work together to investigate because there were reports of cult activity. And so they go and research, come up with nothing. The guy retires, and then we get mentions of the kkk.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: They were just working along. So the structure existed before that. They acquired the property, the castle. And that was on the property. So that's theirs too. So that's what the background to that was, wasn't. They were hired to look at the kkk.

Cristina: Because at that time, people were just.

Jack: Cool with the kkk. Unless you were black.

Cristina: Okay. It was about the Colts.

Jack: Yeah. So when Richard J. Cross died, who is a former owner, is when it was acquired. Now looking at the Newark Watershed Conservation and Development Corporation, which for short, I might just call NORC Watershed.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: NORC Watershed was being investigated for corruption from 2008 to 2013. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they were found guilty in 2013 for corruption. Yes.

Cristina: Okay. What are they doing?

Jack: Key thing to matter about here is ownership of the entire property shifts to the city of Newark in 2013, where it has ignored the forest facilities since. Now, Newark Watershed was in charge of maintaining and taking care of the forest. And in the 1950s, as it was falling into disrepair, people started hanging out in that area. And that's what you know. There's kids hanging out in there and we got these reports of satanic things. We cannot have kids trying to think it's fun and scary and go check it out. That's dangerous. We gotta investigate, make sure there's nothing there. So when kids show up, they don't eventually, you know, what was it, 1988 like? You just knock it down. Kids are still going to this f****** day. And that s***'s dangerous now. It's falling apart so much, it's dangerous. Just knock it down so nobody gets hurt out there.

Cristina: Which one they're knocking down? The castle.

Jack: Yeah, the castle. This is about the castle. But so they. When newark acquired in 2013, they just ignored it. But it was already in disrepair. So it was nothing. It's like at least nobody's stealing money and saying they're. So what are the charges that they were given that they were in fact guilty for? So two charges. Let's unpack the first one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The first charge is kickback schemes. I'll explain. A kickback scheme is when you create a loop scenario where you get profit off of money that was supposed to go for something else. Usually we call that taking off the top.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Right. So what was happening? No maintenance or oversight was being performed specifically on the property of Clinton Road. The surrounding forests and structures. Specifically on that. They. The Northwatershed organization owns a bunch of things.

Cristina: And they just abandoned it? Pretty much.

Jack: Well, they abandoned this place. They own a bunch of things. They're in charge of maintaining a bunch of places. And they just don't do that for Clinton Road or the forest specifically. That area. All their other s*** is well maintained. And Clinton Road is so wide and the things are so hard to locate within it that there's no point. You could just take them out their word. Whatever. Who's out there anyways? Right. Funding provided by the city of Newark for the property, for maintaining the property was paid to shell companies owned by members of the organization. So fake. Other companies would come in and maintain with the budget provided by. But those companies were owned by the members. Fun. And no worker was sent in to maintain anything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So all of it, a hundred percent of it is pocket money. On top of the fact that goes through somebody's quote company, unquote. So they get more money through tax and stuff. Because you're running a business.

Cristina: That's so strange that they would pick the spots and just ignore.

Jack: It is so strange. I would pick this spot to be fair. So strange.

Cristina: Wonder why.

Jack: Right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're just stealing the money. That seems like the logical reason. Nobody's gonna look at this. Just stealing the money. What else could we say it is? Right. It's a bunch of people. They know all the property is in ruins or so distant into the woods. And people don't normally get out of their car. Most people are scared. And the few people who make it that far, they're already careful enough. Do this frequently. It's like there's no worries here. Really. Really?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Even the investigation from the 50s was just for caution. No kid is going to go and really get hurt because these are thrill seekers. Which means they're usually the more cautious individuals because they're familiar with thrill seeking. So what do you do? You pocket the money. This is stupid project. We acquired the thing and whatever.

Cristina: Well.

Jack: So what's interesting is in the document, it elaborates as this has been going on for about 70 years.

Cristina: How many? Seven.

Jack: 70 years.

Cristina: 70. Oh, okay.

Jack: Whoa. It could not have been the same people. 70 years is aggressively long. You tell me 20 years, I can believe the same people were doing it. You tell me 70 years. That's two entire lifetimes. If you started at one person, he died, and now another person, then he died. Now that next person is in charge.

Cristina: That's possible.

Jack: Yeah. Except why are they still running this system? Nobody came through who wasn't corrupt.

Cristina: Yeah, well, if they hire the people that are. I don't know. That's interesting.

Jack: Fair enough. Maybe Norquatershed was selecting its employees. Yeah, like, oh, I. I want to lift this guy from this other place and bring him with us. And it's like, you definitely work with him in other places. Probably mentioned, hey, I got some opportunities, you know, if you. If you could be trusted.

Cristina: It became a family business thing. Like, okay, my children.

Jack: Yes, essentially. Right. The names of the individuals, irrelevant. We look at them and it goes nowhere. It's just. They were really just racking in the money. That's it. It's just weird corruption thing. But I don't know. This is weird.

Cristina: Yeah. For seven, 70 years.

Jack: That's crazy about 70 years. And because for 70 years it wasn't maintained. That's why the castle went to disrepair. That's why everything became ruins. Nothing was being maintained and now nothing is left. Yeah, I mean, there's stuff out there, but none of it is maintained. So that is the first charge. The second charge is where it gets a little more interesting because the second charge was bribery.

Cristina: Who are they bribing? Okay, what's going on?

Jack: Well, members of the NORC Watershed organization were receiving third party donations in exchange for not performing all of their duties.

Cristina: Oh, okay. I see. They're getting money from whoever's using the forest to do whatever the mysterious things that people are saying that are happening there. Okay.

Jack: Emails, wire transfers, as well as paper trails dating more than two thirds of a century backed the investigation and the conviction of the members.

Cristina: So it's been happening since the beginning of 70 years to current day?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Well, not current, but when they decided to do something about it.

Jack: So I. We. There's a lot of math we have to think about right now. 70 years. This happens. The conviction in 2013. If we count backwards, where do we land? You take 10 from 70, you make it 60, that leaves you to 2003. Now you subtract 60 and that takes you to 1940.

Cristina: Okay, 1943.

Jack: Yeah. Right. Now this is, this is where it's going to get a little interesting. And we got to unpack some of these details. Now first. Weird. Before I go on to the next, let's. Let's unpack this real quick. Definitely. It sounds like you're right. There's this third party who's bribing them. Is bribing them for them ignoring the thing. Yes, because it doesn't say what duties they were to ignore. The two charges don't seem in paperwork related, but they're obviously to us. Yeah. You telling me they're being bribed to not do their job and telling me that they were receiving all the money provided for a job that was given directly to them and they were supposed to put for the thing, but they just pocketed and said that's the reality of what's happening here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Two quote, unrelated, obviously related.

Cristina: Oh my gosh, it's so wrong.

Jack: It's weird too. So who is the third party? And none of you. Like, who the f***? Why are you guys okay with it instead of reporting? Then again, you don't care to be.

Cristina: With the cult, though. It's like the most. Like you were. That was the first time we hear of them. Like, oh, solve that cult problem. And like that cult problem probably took care of them. That's probably where it starts. I don't know. I don't remember what year that starts, though.

Jack: Well, here's what's interesting, right? Because we assume it makes sense that this has been going on since it got bought, except it got bought in 1919. And if it got bought in 1919, then nothing makes less sense than 70 years back. Because even if we started at the year 2000, it would be 80 years already just to get to 1920. Then we'd have to add another 10 years to get to 2010. So that's 90. Or it's almost 100 years apart, but we're seeing 70. And when we do the math, we land in the 40s, 43. And when we find out when the lady was first mentioned, it's 1965.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We're in the ballpark of something that's happening, but it's unclear what the f*** is happening. We're just insignificant time. So let's dive a little deeper into this. So the two primary members, everybody else was given fines. Everybody else was given jail time. These two spearheaders were given prison time.

Cristina: Okay, cool.

Jack: Now let's unpack the details here. The bribery was. So they discontinue monitoring, specifically the forest. I find that later in the original documents for the courts, in the original case files, they were reported as separate, different cases. And there was almost an attempt, an intentionality to not relate them. It looked very intentional. There was never anybody who clearly stated, well, somebody was doing something in the forest if you guys weren't mentioned. Nowhere. But like, could it be any more obvious?

Cristina: Yes. Who is this? Other people? Where's that? Courtroom.

Jack: Yeah. And like the fact that there was no attempt to connect the dots. There was no attempt on record to connect the dots, but you could find anywhere else that the theories of people just. Yeah, it was definitely that they were getting paid for. Like, people know this. It's just common knowledge that this. Whoever this group was, was clearly paying these people to go in and out. But no document says it. No official court document says it. No official public document says it that they're related. Yeah. You find other non officialized documents throughout time that mention things.

Cristina: None of it mentions who this other party could be.

Jack: No. So, yeah. To allow the third party free access to the lands was ultimately the point. Weirdly enough, the third party's name had been redacted anywhere it had been mentioned.

Cristina: So they know who it is.

Jack: Yep. From everywhere. Doesn't matter where. And there again was an intentionality to not mention their name in a lot of places where it would be obvious that you would. In a proper court structure, you'd probably restructure this to forcefully include the name as often as possible, to reference back as often as possible. Just obviously absent from places. You'd structure things intentionally to have it weird.

Cristina: So they knew. They knew and. But for some reason, you can't say it.

Jack: The city of Nork. No, I don't know if West Milford had any f******.

Cristina: Yeah, but they. The city. What? Okay.

Jack: And I don't know what's happening because again, the mayor of Milford was concerned about weird things. He was the one staging organized like, you know, let's go investigate.

Cristina: Yes. And then he quit. So was he bribed to quit or something?

Jack: Something scary must have happened to him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the paper trail extends straight into the very first initial agreement that was signed by this redacted named company. You know what this reminds me of? When we first found the trade route that goes to Epstein's Island. It was a whole episode. And this reminds me of that. I mean, it was like a shipping spot that was Just on this island.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it would only take one trip, and it was to the Epstein's island. This reminds me of that level of sketch of, like, somebody went far to make this vanish.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The paper trail goes all the way to 8-3-19. That is the first sighting of the document. 8-3-19.

Cristina: How did they do it, though?

Jack: Like, it.

Cristina: That's so crazy that you said 70 years.

Jack: Like, how it has to be intentional with people hiring. They had to be hand picking everybody intentionally.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It was gonna eventually collapse. It's crazy it lasted that long.

Cristina: Yeah. That's so crazy. Make it last that long.

Jack: But that means they were slipping and that's why they were put on there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Something was giving, and it was becoming too visible. And it was that time for the city to be like, you guys are not trustworthy anymore for whatever reason.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because they didn't go in and do anything. In fact, now it's less guarded. It's actively less guarded. And nobody's taking money for it. Nobody's been pretending to garden. Now it's just not guarded.

Cristina: I don't understand. Oh, maybe whoever this third party was realized, like, it doesn't matter. We don't have to keep paying these people. Like, they got them in trouble because now they don't have to bribe them because they know, like, okay, we. The laws make sense now that we don't need them.

Jack: Yeah, Fair. Maybe. It could totally be the case.

Cristina: Things are gonna just work out for us because there's no.

Jack: Yeah. They could have structural structured things in such a way that they're like, we couldn't get caught. And if we did get caught, we couldn't get in trouble.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Like, definitely. It could be. I don't know what the logic behind it is, but it's just a weird shift. This suddenly happened. Something made the Newark Watershed Organization irrelevant. Suddenly.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Not sure what, but something did. And it could have totally been that.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Weird. And here's the thing. We had a period of random cars coming in and out. This sketchy. Unmarked black vehicles coming in and out. This gets signed in 1935, in 1939. And then in 1965. Actually, I have the thing right here. See, the very first mention.

Cristina: Oh, the cars.

Jack: Of the woman is actually 1965. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, 1965. And then where do we get mentions of the cars? Blah, blah, blah. No, 1966. Immediately following the lady. Okay, 1965 is when the lady shows up. 1966 is the cars. 1939 is when the agreement was signed. Now, I had to add this extra note here because of the nature of the situation, but I'm gonna scroll up to that real quick and I'm going to tell you something that is very exaggeratedly interesting. And we can unpack it after I say it. I don't know what it means or what it should mean. Let's unpack some of the acquisition details.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In 1919, Clinton Road is acquired by the NORC Watershed Organization. In 1939, the Sketchy Deal is performed. That is August 31st, the Last Thursday and day of the month. Why did I feel it was relevant to point that out? The Newark Watershed Organization signs a donor agreement on that date with a third party donor to leave Clinton Road and the surrounding forest unmaintained and unpatrolled. Now, why is the date so significant?

Cristina: I don't know. And tries to guess. I don't know.

Jack: The very, very, very next day is the beginning of World War II. The very next day this gets signed, and the very next day is the beginning of World War II. I don't know if that's relevant in any manner, shape or form. The very next day World War II started.

Cristina: Okay. Now is it coincidence? Yeah.

Jack: Now let's talk about this coincidence real quick. There's three pieces in here that make a lot of sense for what I just said. I don't know what they mean.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The date this was signed. Sightings of the KKK at the castle. And one other piece that stops it from being coincidences, but suddenly makes it something to observe. How do we start the episode with a boy. Where?

Cristina: In the furnace place.

Jack: There's nothing more N*** Germany than a furnace. Oh, we have the KKK, a furnace and the date before World War II all in the same place.

Cristina: Because we have no idea if that is the kkk.

Jack: We have no idea. We also know that druids look identical to a cloaked man. So, you know, just random details that just seem to build patterns. I don't know what that means. I don't know what the relevance of this date was. I was looking, what significant thing happened around here. Googling and s***. I'm like, what the f***? World War I started the very next day. Hours from this point.

Cristina: Interesting. I don't know. It's just weird. I don't know.

Jack: It's just weird. I also don't know.

Cristina: The boy. If there was other beings around the furnace, that'd be interesting. Like other ghosts.

Jack: There have been. There's just no repetition.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The boy is who's often seen there.

Cristina: Yeah, he Definitely feels like an echo type of thing. But then he's in two places.

Jack: He's in two places. And we know he's not an echo because of one detail. He interacts with the woman we know isn't an echo and that unless she's playing a role to look like an echo herself.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: But she interacts with the boy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the boy isn't an echo, but he's always like.

Cristina: They never say he's doing something like, what is he doing here?

Jack: I don't know. He's always hanging around the furnace and he's always by the bridge. One or the other. It could just be a legit hangout spot by the bridge. Again, we've seen kids. Apparently they like to come close to the road and see people from the other side us roaming by. This could be that same thing. Kids is cool spot to see people from the other side.

Cristina: But if he and the girl are the same, why doesn't he age?

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. And weirdly enough, I had the same thought and I looked.

Cristina: Is there a man?

Jack: No, no. The boy is always the boy from beginning, straight through. The boy is always a boy.

Cristina: He's a ghost. No matter what he is some kind of ghostly figure.

Jack: He might actually be a jinn. He might actually be a jinn who's achieving human like features somehow. I don't know. I don't know. The boy is weird. There was no age attached to it. It never became a teenager. It was never a young man. It was never an older. There's nothing. No, it's always a boy. Always a young boy. And that's weird because the lady aged around him.

Cristina: That's weird.

Jack: Unless it's different boys. It doesn't seem to be. The descriptions all match. There seems to be very consistent. It could be different boys, but then they're in uniform.

Cristina: That's also very strange.

Jack: But now let's take a step back. This girl could be one of many girls and something extra wrong happened to her. Or all of them are girls and we're seeing a bunch because again, sometimes we still get mentions of the young girl. But rarely. Rarely. Maybe. Maybe there's just kids being experimented on. That fits the suit for 99 of the we've looked into.

Cristina: Yes, but do we never get the girl at the furnace?

Jack: I never know. No records of the girl at the furnace.

Cristina: Okay. What was the furnace doing in there? I don't know. Okay.

Jack: Weird, right?

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: What are we learning? What is this telling Us.

Cristina: There's things that look related but we cannot connect them.

Jack: Yeah. And there's some weird f****** NORC is in on whatever's happening. NORC knows, or at least it has an idea.

Cristina: Or they can't do anything about it.

Jack: Or they can't do anything about it. But no, I doubt that. I think there's. I don't know. Who knows? Maybe you're totally right. Like, what is the force that's so intense we just ignore it, let it go. The less people looking in that direction, the better. Literally dissolve this. Have nobody work it. Just say we're maintaining it and never do. Like, what? That's better than having somebody fakely maintain it. Yes. Less people to go look.

Cristina: That is strange. Yes. Who is this third party?

Jack: Who is this third party? I did everything to try to find any information. It was just non existent.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it still. It brings into the question the fact that the kids don't age. Then adds this weird question. Because when we were looking at the girl, the lady and the woman, it looks, based on the timeline in which dimensions happen, that there is at least one person who's actually consistent, even if all the others might actually be other people. There is one person that people have seen more who is the same person and maybe all the others are different. So they see a bunch of little girls all the time, teenage girls, and then this one lady who's aged the entire time. They've continued to see all these young girls. They could. I think they're running experiments on children. And what we're seeing is actually different kids and something extra, extra, extra bad happened to this one person and they're somehow trapped in between areas or something.

Cristina: But you think kids are important in this?

Jack: I think. I mean, we keep seeing these children and the girl and like the girl became more rare as time went by. But I think it's because of the prominence of the woman, not because the girls lessened. I think it's the prominence of the woman. Everybody sees the woman, she's there.

Cristina: And the people that hang out on the beach though, are they children? Do you remember? Yeah. Where she gets the water? There's always like people hanging out there.

Jack: You mean the lake?

Cristina: The lake, yes. There's always people hanging out there that we assume are like maybe different echoes from a certain.

Jack: Yes, it looks like those are actually echoes. Or not even a neck. Yes, yes, it's an echo. They're literally looking through a portal into a different time. Yeah, that's not now. And that's not like now would still Be now regardless of which realm you're in. But then would be then regardless of what realm you're looking in. And he's just literally looking at a different time and those people aren't there. That seems to be the case that there's a lot of like time pockets around the lake, which would also like what happened in the lake that she's also so focused on the lake.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If she's trapped between realms and trying to find a way out. Where the most bubbles exist is where you would be doing the most experiments.

Cristina: I suppose that could be.

Jack: She could be trying to get out or jump into either side. But then, is there an in between frequency you can land in that means that realms would be infinite. If there's an in between space, that means realms are infinite.

Cristina: I don't. I don't know. Because the way they describe the fairy. Using the fairy realm to travel through the shadow realm makes it seem like there is no in between. Like there is, but you can't actually be in the in between.

Jack: Except that is really, really old thinking. Considering we corrected that with how Herme later explained literally being able to just walk in with nothing but thought power. That's very different. How you manipulating reality so much. You could just. I'm here now in L. F. Okay. And that violates what we were reading before. What was other people's interpretation? That they are using it to cut path. And that made it look like satellites. But then eventually we found things that make it look like Earth and shadow are literally just. You boxed off a part of shadow.

Cristina: And called it Earth.

Jack: And it looks kind of like maybe there's some connection there in the same fashion between Elfame and the shadow realm. And in that case, they are physically, literally in Elfame and physically, literally in the shadow realm. When they are moving through those, it would seem that maybe Elfame is smaller somehow. And in return, going to Elfhame could allow you shortcuts, and that would make sense.

Cristina: That would be weird. If it's smaller.

Jack: Well, it's allowing you shortcuts between the other space.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If it was bigger, you'd travel less. But if it's smaller, you do small distances in Elfame and that's greater distances over here.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But at least that's just a way of thinking about it. If that's the case, then yeah, it's a frequency. That means there's an infinite number of different frequencies we could jump into. We're surrounded by infinite numbers of realities, literally. And Hermes, actually anybody. And being able to Just manipulate and cross between them. You are beyond what God could ever conceive of being. Beyond. Like our descriptions of the most powerful, exaggerated gods. Even when we look at the research we've done and ground those gods into reality. People who consume entire stars for energy couldn't f*** with a guy who could go into a reality where that star doesn't exist.

Cristina: There he's the only one that seems to really be able to do that. Because everyone else has, you know, the gates or some kind of gates to be made.

Jack: Even Jesus.

Cristina: Even Jesus, yeah. There are gates in this woods that we haven't found.

Jack: Maybe. But Hermes doesn't seem to require anything. No, like the true deal seems overpowered on some other s***. And the more we look at Hermes and the more we compare information to Hermes, it makes things like Santa Claus look watered down. Because, d***, you overpowered as h***. Santa. Few people could f*** with Santa on a real day. Jehovah, with his best technology, would struggle. But I don't think Santa could spot Hermes if he wanted to.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, I think that's the level of difference. It seems too overwhelmingly exaggerated.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I mean, he can easily go to any reality whenever he wants. An infinite number of different realities. No, nothing is a barrier. Time is an illusion. Place is just a state of mind. What the do you mean, bro? What? This is just how you think and how you move. And the universe works in this way for you?

Cristina: Yeah. That is ridiculous.

Jack: Nuts, Crazy. Crazy. I don't f****** know. But if that's the case, if that's possible, then maybe this lady stuck between realms. I don't know what else she could be doing. I don't know what she could be doing. She's definitely running experiments. I don't know for her, but she looked scared. Or maybe those were other girls. Other girls getting away, getting horrified and being killed by random s*** in the woods. We don't see their bodies and s*** because it's on the other side.

Cristina: There's some type of experimenting going on there.

Jack: It looks like it, bro. And they're running out in gowns. All of them?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Come on, bro. Oh, it's a white dress. Oh, it's nightgown. Oh, it's a raincoat, bro. Let's summarize this way quickly. You're looking at two things and don't know how to describe it. One is a lab coat, and the other one is a medical gown. All of them are those two things. Every description anybody has ever given matches those two things. Who the f*** owns a white raincoat? Back then, when white was harder to make, nobody owned a f****** white raincoat. That's not a raincoat. Anybody who used raincoat to describe this is stupid. I'm sorry. Anybody who was going through these wisdoms. There's a woman in a white raincoat. You have never in your life heard those two words put together. Because nobody f****** owns a white raincoat. There's a lab coat, bro. Come on. And the gown is f******. A medical gown, bro. Medical.

Cristina: But if she's wearing a white something, is she part of the group that we see as KKK's or not? We know they're not really. But the cult members in white.

Jack: No. Because cloaks are very different than gowns. Gowns is you are a patient. Cloaks, you are a wizard. And raincoat your doctor.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The cloak. I don't know how to relate the cloaks to anything.

Jack: That's just weird.

Cristina: That's just weird.

Jack: The raincoat. That's a lab coat. They are almost identical. And to somebody in the middle of the night, that's the same s***. And the nightgown and a medical gown are both called gowns because they are both gowns and are structured almost identically. Except white is in the scenario we're talking about. And blue is common day pass it. The only difference still f****** nightgowns.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The only place it gets a little iffy is when they say dress. And you could easily confuse a dress for a hanging nightgown and a little bit of wind. You know? Easy, simple, logical. I am thinking nightgowns and lab coats. That's what it sounds like. There's too many girls. And it looks like they still get mentioned casually, even if predominantly it's the lady in the rain. Quote, raincoat.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But a bunch of girls in nightgowns? Come on, bro. There's a doctor and a bunch of chicks who were experimented on trying to run away and ask for help. Oh, please save me.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why they're always asking for help. Why they always street side? Please give me a ride. And then they disappear when you get too close. Because they ain't there. But they see you. You see them. And then neither one of you sees each other when you're too close. They ran away from the facility. Presumably the church. Not the church. The castle is probably still functional on the other side.

Cristina: Yes. We have no idea. Yeah. All these places that are in there.

Jack: Probably maintained like a m*********** on the other side.

Cristina: On the other side. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah.

Jack: That's my theory.

Cristina: I don't know, I like that theory.

Jack: Yeah. I couldn't confirm one way or another, but it's pretty heftily leaning in that direction. Yeah. Let's see some of these details here. The when the city of Newark absorbed ownership of the land, they collected the necessary documentation required for evidence to support their cases. This is weird. And destroyed the rest of the documents. Everything else was destroyed. They only used the documents that would support the case of convicting the individuals. And only that. No additional details. And completely removed the rest. These destroyed documents included the information related to the briber because they were unquote unknowing of the specific rules and regulations pertaining to this particular instance. Unquote. And as a result were, quote, unknowing participants. Unquote.

Cristina: The briber were unknowing?

Jack: Yes. According to these documents, they were unknowing participants because they weren't familiar with these specific laws pertaining to the situation. It sounds like you're describing foreigners. Bro.

Cristina: Interesting. Yeah.

Jack: Sounds like you're describing foreigners. Bro. They're doing legal things and didn't know the laws.

Cristina: They didn't know the laws.

Jack: Yeah. They ain't from here. Bro. They just ain't from here is what you're trying to say.

Cristina: Yeah, right.

Jack: They weren't familiar with the laws.

Cristina: Please.

Jack: Bro. And that's why there is no information related to the third party.

Cristina: They destroyed it. They actively destroyed Directors said they don't know.

Jack: Only use what they needed to convict everybody.

Cristina: We don't understand the laws. That's the excuse. That is so crazy.

Jack: The quote is exactly. Where'd it go? Unknowing of the specific rules and regulations pertaining to this particular instance.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: And thus get labeled later as, quote, unknowing participants. Unquote.

Cristina: How's that possible?

Jack: That's a lie. That's legally a lie. This is bullshit.

Cristina: That's just so crazy. That's so crazy.

Jack: The conclusion of the collected information pertaining to this, as far as I see it, is a random undisclosed party gets free access in and out of Clinton Road for unspecified reasons. The watershed members as a result use the extra money to hire their pays. This continues as company culture from leader to leader. Right. Until 2008 when an investigation begins that results in the disbandment and the imprisonment of the members. In 2013, that seems to be what I believe happened. Now looking back at the lady. The lady happens. The cars show up. Cops don't investigate this. The only time somebody went in to investigate was for the satanic things.

Cristina: And they said nothing was found.

Jack: Nothing was found.

Cristina: Because they weren't investigating.

Jack: They weren't investigating or they weren't. And they did find something. And that's why that guy quit. Because they did find something. And it was like, well, you went too far. Now your family is in danger. Quit and say nothing.

Cristina: Yes. That has to be it. That has to. Nothing else makes sense.

Jack: Nothing else makes sense.

Cristina: All of this, it's just.

Jack: You found it. Now quit.

Jack: And if you say anything, well, based on what you saw, you would know what would happen.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You saw it. You personally sent me a message.

Cristina: Yeah. They have no one there.

Jack: There's nobody there. Empty.

Cristina: Very suspicious. So suspicious it's crazy.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What did you find? This is very strange.

Jack: Yeah, very strange. There's no. No literal. It's just like a. I guess it's a summary of my thoughts. It's less of a conclusion.

Cristina: But yeah, but yeah, yeah, something is happening there.

Jack: Something is happening in Clinton Road. Like there's legal forces involved and there's outside third party individuals. There's symmetry with random things. The kkk, the date and the furnace, the lady meeting the boy, the gown, the lab coats. The fact that we found looking identical again. When I found Skywalker Ranch, when I looked at Stonehenge, when I looked here, actually looked here because of what I found over there. I began by looking for distortions. Space time distortions, electrical magnetic distortions. Cold spots that aren't explained by weather.

Cristina: Where their distortions are at. There's so much more.

Jack: Yes, specifically where there is space time distortions of which looking we have weird distortion electrical currents that shouldn't be happening at random time storms that happen shooting times. There's cold spots that happen at random times. There's the holes that show up and go. There's facilities that get seen and disappear. There's people who. And like this fit every suit. Just before I got to everything I just mentioned, just with the anomalies happening in the environment without seeing anything weird.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's enough to look. And then the fact that everything weird is here and then you look at all weird s*** and you start coming across all this.

Cristina: Yes, something is happening there. Something is happening and still happening there.

Jack: It's still happening there to this day. To this day. Still going on. But is the lady in the raincoat the same as the girls? That doesn't seem to be the case now because she keeps getting mentioned. And they get mentioned, even if less so. They still get mentioned. People still see the girls. We've never seen the boy age. No boy got Trapped in some. In between. Maybe she's not trapped in between. Maybe she was one of them and joined the bad guys or the good guys. I don't know what they're doing.

Cristina: Yeah. How could you explain what's going on? Whether it's bad or good.

Jack: Whether it's bad or good. There's just something going on.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now I think she's not the same as the other girls. I think there are multiple females.

Cristina: Poor Kow. It's hard to tell. Because of the clothing.

Jack: Because the fact that there is different sets of clothing and they mention young girls still, even if way less. So you could just assume security got tighter and tighter and tighter and less girls get away.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or they found the other. Maybe if they're phasing girls into the other side. Because a lot of the ancient experiments were ultimately trying to figure out how to cross thresholds easily. Maybe that's what's happening. And all they're doing is sending them over there and then they just can't get them back or send them into some middle ground or something. And then they're stuck asking for help. Or maybe they do. Maybe it works and they just not sure how to reverse it and get back.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're like we're sending them to the shadow Realm. We just don't know how the to get them back out of the shadow world. Maybe these girls aren't jacked up with anything. So they're just on the other side somehow.

Cristina: From experiments.

Jack: Yeah, from some kind of experiment that.

Cristina: Has to do with maybe the cult that's there. The cults? You don't know.

Jack: Whatever Druid activity they see. Because things happen at the f****** council.

Cristina: Is that the next place we're going?

Jack: You ask that every episode. And I've told you there's too much to cover.

Cristina: There's really that much?

Jack: Then again, I was looking at the boy and I found the unrelated furnace. And I didn't even focus on the furnace. Looking at the furnace, I found an entire corruption scheme.

Cristina: That is so crazy.

Jack: Like we're not getting to the castle anytime soon. Or the mines. Both of those are being ignored. Maybe for a year.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: There's too much other crap to look at. And before we look at any of that, we need the biggest picture possible. Because I'm sure there's going to be too much we don't understand.

Cristina: We need context.

Jack: Yeah, we just need context. I'm sure as we go through other things, this over there will inform this over here. But we need that many crossing wires before we get to what's obviously the center, which has to be either castle or the mines. What's weird is we see people coming in and out of mines and no weird mentions of anything else. But the castle has a bunch of weird s*** happening and there's just people kind of lurking around there. The castle seems almost too obvious, while the Mayans seem almost like. You guys don't wanna. I didn't know they were mines.

Cristina: I didn't know they were mines.

Jack: Yeah. Had to look and find that. People have reported weird things in and out of there. And it's like you guys are burying the mine documents.

Cristina: Was there more? Because you said there's more. So, like, the furnace is already a weird one.

Jack: What, like other structures?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, yeah. There's other structures.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Whether they're weird or not really depends on how deep I fall and what I find while looking there. But there's a lot. There are many small structures and things here. Some other houses that aren't random detail. Every inch of the property around Clinton Road belongs to the castle. When the castle was sold, the castle's property was sold. And that is the entirety of everything we know as the forest around Clinton Road.

Cristina: Including the furnace then.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Including the furnace, the lake, everything from all 10 miles of it belonged to the one castle that was all just one land.

Cristina: Okay. Whoa.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What is happening?

Jack: Wasn't even bought for that much money. It was sold for like $30,000 and it was 10 miles worth of land. Was watching a video where dude paid for his first home, which was a five bedroom house, and he only paid $3,000 for it. He paid that in 1940.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: $3,000. Five bedroom family home right now is a little over a quarter of a million.

Cristina: Yeah, well.

Jack: Well, it depends. You could find that same size house and it would be a million, depending where you go. Anyways, unrelated to that bunch of random going on, there's definitely something happening there. We have different individuals that seem to be cohesive individuals. We don't know about this kid. I gotta look more into this kid. I tried to connect the dots and have the kid kind of be a focal point for this episode. There's actually surprisingly little information on that kid. The lady's everywhere.

Cristina: This kid is an actual mystery.

Jack: The kid's an actual mystery. The kid. If we didn't have the lady aging, we would see the girls and be very confused. That's another reason that this tells me that those might be different people. Because the cohesiveness comes together when we have a consistent narrative to follow. Which happens with lady, not with the girls. If we just stop at the girls with the gowns and it's a bunch of isolated situations that don't seem to converge anymore. Yeah, and the language changing over time is part of why we can connect the dots successfully. Without that. No, it's just a girl. It's just at that point it's just an echo. Except they seem to be moving and behaving and reacting. So they're there.

Cristina: And the boy may not be an echo, but we have no more information on him.

Jack: The boy responds at least to the girl. And the girl's not an echo. So by extension the kid's not an echo. But then what's happening with the kid? And why aren't you in a medical gown? That's another interesting question. Okay, why are you fully clothed? Normally the girl's in a gown. You're not anywhere they see you. So all these boys, or this one boy, not the same as a girl. But they have a meeting.

Cristina: But they're somehow related. Yes, at the end of the day, they're somehow related.

Jack: They're somehow communicating. And they always meet in the same place. The only place you ever see them interact happens to be the bridge. Interesting, I didn't think about that. The only place. All the documents say the same thing. Ultimately, they point at when the girl is seen with the boy. It's at the bridge. You can see the boy outside of the bridge. You can see the girl outside of the bridge. You never see the boy and the girl together outside of the bridge. You only see them at the bridge. I would argue this might support the frequency theory, in which at that spot the frequency is so exact she can see him and he can see her.

Cristina: Interesting. So then they might not be the same.

Jack: And they walk away from that spot and they're not even in the same place. They can't see each other, they can't interact. If they both leave that spot, they sort of phase back into their normal frequency.

Cristina: Okay, interesting.

Jack: Alternatively, if that is the case, maybe there's not an in between spot. She aged. She's from this side. He does not look like a gem. He's not from the shadow realm. But that spot is still a convergence point. Maybe that kid's no fame. Elves are described looking like people and Nephilim are described looking like people. Most fairies take on human like characteristics oftentimes young kids and short older men.

Cristina: If he's a fairy, then he's way more important than we think he is.

Jack: And that's also why there's way less information.

Cristina: Okay. Is he running experiments in that furnace?

Jack: I don't think he would be running. I think this is an actual kid. I think by whatever measurements qualify as a child in Elfhame, I think that would be the equivalent. And maybe time works so different that hundreds of years could pass for us, and he will still look like a child.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah. Because we don't know.

Jack: We don't know. But it looks like a convergence point. If we try to rationalize, why is it that they're there together, nowhere else?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Maybe she can't see him anywhere else. Maybe he can't see her anywhere else. That's where they can.

Cristina: Yeah, that sounds right. I don't know.

Jack: Which then means looking at the bridge becomes really important. What's happening there that isn't happening at the castle?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And if this lady's running experiments, why isn't she running it at the bridge? Or is she trying to replicate what's happening at the bridge elsewhere?

Cristina: Oh, I don't know.

Jack: And what's happening at the bridge fits more like the Vikings solution to the problem by making an area that they can visit but they can't normally cross through. Although eventually they created a crossing point. No, no, no. It was just communication and communication. Yeah, once he drank the blood and then. Crossing point. But yeah. So basically, it sounds like that naturally happened here in that very spot. Except it can't cut. So maybe she's trying to replicate that. So she comes, interacts with the kid, talks her friends. Maybe she goes back and how do I make this thing? And then goes to a place that has a bunch of weird s*** like that happening. The lake. Yes, to study. Goes to the kid, talk. That's another spot that's sort of similar, even if different. Could be. I don't know. I don't know. Spitballing.

Cristina: Is she trying to. I don't know if he has anything to do with what she's trying to do.

Jack: Yeah, he could just be somebody from some side who's really just a genuinely innocent kid, likes to come to the area, observe humans or whatever the. Is happening, and she goes there and communicates with them. Maybe they don't even speak the same language, but, you know, they enjoy each other's company or whatever the. Yeah, they know they're not a harm to one another.

Cristina: But did we see her actually talk to the child? Okay, yes.

Jack: They've passed items from one to another.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She will reach out to give a coin. He will put his hand out, receive the coin, throw it. He's just hanging out, playing with coins in the water. The fact that he's always doing it makes him seem like an echo. Yes, but then interacting with this chick who isn't breaks that. It's just a chill spot for him.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know. He seems. He's so strange. I don't know.

Jack: Another random bit. Fairies. Water. Coins tied tightly together. That is a tight, tight f****** mess that happens consistently. Make a wish. Fairy territory. And fairies looking for. You can give a fairy a coin to let you through some area. Like, just weird things like that.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Fairies, coins and water. The lady of the Lake.

Cristina: But he's not that. Or he. If he is, we don't see it. We don't see what's. What she gets from him. If she's getting anything.

Jack: I don't think she's getting anything. I think based on. I don't. I don't know. I don't know. Based on. Solely the public records oftentimes reported the police because they saw something.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It doesn't seem like it. Seems like just platonic, innocent, nice interactions that happen at the spot and nowhere else in the forest.

Cristina: And then he's not really doing anything at the furnace.

Jack: He was just there, wandering. The same way they see her wandering at the castle.

Jack: Almost like he lives there.

Cristina: Okay. Strange. Strange.

Jack: Which again? The fairy lives by the fire. Okay. Checks out. One of those weird, like, well, there's coincidences everywhere kind of s***. Hangs out by the water, lives by the fire. Like, what the f***? I don't. This is a fairy.

Cristina: I don't know. Yeah, could we. I don't know. The service range.

Jack: True Mysteries. True Mysteries. And I would go as far as to say whatever organization comes in and out is the same organization from the shipping dock. Would have to be so close together. Whatever. Or how many crazy shady organizations are trying the same s***.

Cristina: That's true, too. Like, who knows? I don't know.

Jack: That was nowhere near Clinton Road. And like, what the. Could not be more identical. Shady organizations transporting secret things, entering in and out of places. Epstein's Islands. Clearly a f****** farm for adrenochrome.

Cristina: But is this spot. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know, bro. Anyways. Anyways. Any of you guys have any input for any of this information, feel free.

Cristina: So many questions.

Jack: Too many questions. It is absurd. It is ridiculous. So you guys can go online, do your own research, find this. It's really weird. It gets really complicated. Tell me if you guys find out what the h*** Nord was doing involved.

Cristina: In cleaning Are they still doing something?

Jack: No, they still own it. They still own it to this day since 2013. And yeah. So you know, if you find anything interesting, if you want to talk to us about it, you can contact us on our socials at just convo pod that's on tick tock on Facebook, on Twitter AKA X and I said Instagram on all the places. Whatever. Just just convo podworth forever.

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July 27, 2024

Rambling 283: The Lady in White

July 27, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Who is the Lady in White? How did she get to Clinton Road? What is her Purpose there? The duo investigate the famous Lady in White story in an attempt to better understand the Spacetime Distortions detected at Clinton Road. Arguably the most frequently mentioned paranormal being of all time.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Lady In White
Hitchhikers
Satanic Rituals
Echoes
Scientists
Escaped Experiments
The Shadow Realm

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is a show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. Ideas. And look, man, we've. We've been on a road where we learned a lot of information, and we taken.

Cristina: We've been on two roads.

Jack: Yeah, we done took. We done. Yeah, for real, for real. We done took that information, and now we're applying it to the world to try to investigate, using our. Investigate. Because we were kind of stuck over there for a while. So now we're trying to investigate other. With the knowledge we got from our investigations, right? And we decided to go into, like, a weird place where it was clear that something was wrong.

Cristina: We looked.

Jack: We investigated some other places, but we came to, like, the logical one, which is Clinton Road. Now, what we were looking for was initially electrical magnetic distortions, cold spots. We were looking for that. Converging with stories. We were looking for weird anomalies, time anomalies, electrical magnetic fields, anything weird that has happened in any magnitude whatsoever.

Cristina: See?

Jack: And we went through a couple of places, and we land. So one of them was Stonehenge. Right. And we checked out the. What was it? Ranch.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: Skinwalker Ranch. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it made sense. It made sense. And then we landed here, and now we're looking at Clinton Road, which is a logical place. Now, in going through Clinton Road, there were many stories. We broke that into three episodes because it was too much. So in those three episodes, we went down the tremendous amount of things that exist, and the goal was essentially to unpack a lot of those things individually. But after we went down a quick kind of draft, right. Which we did, and then we highlighted the ones we thought were meaningful out of the ones we thought we weren't. And then we just talked about quickly the ones we know factually were meaningful.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Just to catch everybody up now, I went ahead and I looked into some of these things, and the point was to dive into these individually and to dissect them. But that immediately became problematic, as all things always become problematic. But it's hard to explain exactly how it's problematic. What. So I think I'm gonna show you how it's problematic instead by telling you what it is. And it's just kind of gonna make sense, and then I'll directly tell you afterwards. Anyway.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So I. I called this part of this problem one.

Cristina: That's what he called it.

Jack: Yeah. I'm gonna give you police reports. Just summarize. This isn't the actual word for words. This is. You paraphrase summarize about actual real world police reports from the road, from Clinton Road.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So this first one happens roadside. Somewhere along the road, a man calls the local police, reporting a woman in a white dress walking barefoot, disoriented, on the road near the lake. The man reported that he continued driving because he didn't know if she could be, you know, a danger to him and his girlfriend who were in the car. When the officer asked, can he describe anything about her? He looked back and she was gone.

Cristina: I don't understand.

Jack: Like, this is a literal, actual report of. Oh, I don't know what happened. Then the cop came that there was nobody. The people weren't there.

Cristina: Oh, like, it just had. It just happened. And then the cop showed up.

Jack: No, he called the cop.

Cristina: Oh, so he was calling him while it happened.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes. This is recent. This is very recent. These are recent. These are on cell phones.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This is self. These are recorded.

Cristina: Calling the cop.

Jack: Yeah. He calls a cop about this.

Cristina: He sees this lady.

Jack: Yeah. He's like, there's something weird going on. I don't know if you want to check it out or whatever. The. About this lady in the woods. Yeah. Now, again, this doesn't mean anything yet. It's as we go through this that the problem arises. This next scenario, again, all police reports so far happens near Cross Castle. On the other side, local police receive a call. A woman wandering by Cross Castle in a large white raincoat or a nightgown. Raincoat or a nightgown. Okay. The report claims the caller thought she was living at Cross Castle. So essentially a squatter.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And when the caller approached, she vanished. He suspected she ran into the surrounding woods or behind a tree or something. And he also reported that he thought the squatter was a schizophrenic of some sort because he continued to hear whispers as he was looking for her.

Cristina: Horrified. Okay.

Jack: Very rational man, though. Every step of his report was.

Cristina: I don't know how he made it past. Like, she disappeared. Okay. I'm gonna still investigate, even though I hear all this whispering, like, okay, I predict white guy. Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: Okay. The reservoir. This is by the lake. Local police report that they received a call from a woman seemingly considered a call of a woman. I apologize. A call of a woman seemingly considering suicide by the lake. She was standing by the water's edge to the person who saw her looking like she was, you know, considering hopping in by their interpretation of the scenario. She was standing in front of the water, kind of like just looking at the water for a really long time. And he got concerned.

Cristina: That's a tough one to imagine. Yeah.

Jack: I don't know. You can just call on a person like that. It's crazy. Okay. When asked by the officer to get the woman's attention, the caller yells out to her and she turns to him, then seemingly vanishes before his eyes.

Cristina: What is she wearing?

Jack: Local police report received a woman considering. No, not. No specifics.

Cristina: Oh, no.

Jack: White caller claimed something was weird about her face before she vanished. Unclear. And then this is by a really tight curve called Dead man's Curve on Clinton Road. The report is of a woman standing close the curb, either threatening to jump in front of a car or scaring cars. Driver report, car ahead and car behind. Were swerving to dodge her. And she was in a white trench coat or something similar. He didn't know where she ran off to. When he'd finished dodging her, she'd run away or hidden before scaring the car a few seconds behind.

Cristina: How many cars was involved in that one?

Jack: You must have been in line, like three or four cars coming through.

Cristina: Interesting. Okay.

Jack: Okay. These are random, just police reports. You kind of get the theme going on.

Cristina: Yes, lady.

Jack: Yeah. Ladies tend to be in some kind of white something.

Cristina: Yeah, we're trying to attempt suicide for some reason.

Jack: So I'm going to tell you four different stories that aren't those stories.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we're gonna quickly discuss that. Okay, so we're gonna start with the obvious one, the lady in white. This lady is known as a lady who roams around the lake. There's basically, you know, the myths of the area.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She roams around the woods, the road, the lake itself, and is described as looking for something dressed in a white gown or robe, coat or dress of some sort, sad or expressionless. And the lady in white is seen the most often. That's important.

Cristina: These are all different. Ladies. Question mark.

Jack: Question mark indeed. Woman in the gown. A woman in the ground by. In a gown by Cross Castle or the ruins thereof. Only ever reported following KKK gatherings or late 1960s occult rituals. Now, this is where it gets interesting for me because do you. Do you get. Do you follow? Is my thought right? Young girl in a dress reported by the bridge and roadside. Seen often with the kid by the bridge tossing the coins. Seen less often in modern day, but more often in the past.

Cristina: But there's nothing about her.

Jack: No details.

Jack: Hitchhiker or damsel in distress. Always seen roadside. Always trying to catch the attention of a driver while asking for help. Seen way less often now, way more often in the past. Oh man. Okay, so what do you think so far? Let's unpack some of this information. What do you think so far?

Cristina: It's hard to tell if they're like just ghosts. Are these echoes? Cuz like I don't know if they're doing the same thing over and over or what's happening really the big problem, right?

Jack: What the f*** is going on? Because they seem to be a bunch of different instances that aren't the same. One in a loop.

Cristina: And if it's just one lady and she's all these people, then what's that about? I guess that's also another option. But like I don't feel like it is one per.

Jack: Why not?

Cristina: Because sometimes it's a girl, sometimes it's older. Like the age ranges feels different from how they're describing this person. It could be they do.

Jack: They do. But I'll go over some of this again. A hundred percent they do. A hundred percent they do. But I noted something from this very idea. Right. So I'm gonna go over this one again. Lady in white roams the area around the lake, the woods and the road. Described as looking for something. See dress in a white gown, robe, coat or dress of some sort. Sad or expressionless. And this one is seen the most often in modern day. She's the most seen currently. She was less seen in the past. Important. The woman in the gown. The woman in the ground in the gown by Cross Castle. How did I mess that up in the same spot by Cross Castle or the ruins thereof. Only ever reported following the KKK gatherings in the 1960s.

Cristina: What about the one with the boy? The girl that's hanging out with the boy, what is that?

Jack: The young girl in a dress reported by the bridge and roadside. Seen often with the kid by the bridge tossing coins. Seen less often modern day, but seen more often in the past.

Cristina: Like if this is a time thing then it doesn't really matter. So shouldn't they all be seen equally? Even if it's the same person? It's like we're watching their timeline playing over and over.

Jack: Except we are literally getting when these reports are coming from.

Cristina: But why would it be different? Like of how often one is seen versus the other if it's out of time anyway, like we should be seeing her as a girl. And as an adult, equally as much. Because it's unrelated.

Jack: Why do you.

Cristina: Even if it's the same person, why.

Jack: Do we think it's out of time?

Cristina: Because she's probably existing in the. I guess I do feel like maybe it's an echo. I guess it's hard not to see it. Like, just we're seeing different versions of this one person living out their life. But then again, it doesn't make sense. Maybe. I guess the most sense would be it's just an echo person. Not an echo person, a shadow person.

Jack: Why? Wait, wait, wait.

Cristina: I don't know. Because she's playing with a boy. That makes it seem a little different.

Jack: Maybe the boy is an echo too, based on that logic. Right.

Cristina: If he's an echo. Yeah. Like, I don't know, it's easy to see that her as an echo. But then, like, why would one time period be more popular in one time period of ours? Like, what would make the difference of seeing her younger back then and her older now? Unless she's maybe more of a shadow realm person, because then she ages. But if she's an echo, why, it would all be happening right now.

Jack: Yeah, but based on what we're talking about, then she actually is aging because she's already aged. No, no, no. What we're talking about is that basically she was younger in the past and older now. That's just aging through time.

Cristina: Yes. These are all moments of her aging and at a different time, so it wouldn't matter.

Jack: The order is all the older ones in the future, all the older ones are happening now, and all the younger ones are happening earlier, which makes it.

Cristina: Seem less of an echo because why would it matter?

Jack: No. Yeah, it's definitely not an echo.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I'm saying it's just a. Like a living something.

Cristina: Yes, yes. It has to be.

Jack: Yeah. It's currently something that's aged. Right. That's what we're looking at. Somebody's been living there.

Cristina: Because if it was just an echo, it would be all versions.

Jack: Yeah, randomly. Why would it be of the same person if it was an echo?

Cristina: But then the way you worded it is like, they see her less now, but they see her more now. Like, of different versions.

Jack: Yeah. They see the lady in the white dress. That lady is seen the most current day.

Cristina: But that doesn't mean they don't see the young girl or the other young lady.

Jack: We also have to remember the place we're talking about and people just talking random s***.

Cristina: So they're just sharing.

Jack: Yeah, this is majority Rules. And by vast majority. Does it rule in all of these instances? It's by vast majority. I summarize it. And I'll explain that later too.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But these are ultimately collections of reports.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That summarize into this, into these four different groups of people. And those stories were actual police reports that fit these suits very accurately. Like they're not definitely reporting different individuals as opposed to one person who seems to be kind of moving through time, it seems to me.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah, I guess.

Jack: But that's what we're supposed to find out ultimately, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because I don't actually know. And we have no clue what is. Like, what would she be doing there if she was a person living there?

Cristina: Well, scaring people. She's obviously scaring people. She's jumping to the road. She's pretending she's committing suicide, which could.

Jack: Suggest she's some sort of a shadow.

Cristina: Yeah. All her behaviors seem really shadow realm.

Jack: What other behavior seems shadow realmy to you?

Cristina: Just like throwing pebbles at people while they're driving by with a kid. Like she might be trying to scare them. She just seems like she's trying to scare people. Different. In different ways. In different ways that aren't like horrifying, but like scared for her, which is still.

Jack: But then this brings into question the nature of Clinton Road. Right. Like, is what's happening in there that creatures in the shadow. Like, maybe this place is so tightly connected that people that live in the shadow realm come to their side of this place because it's so well connected. It's a place where feasibly you could have had adrenochrome on this side, cross over when you die. And then come and live around this area and be as close to some earth like place as possible. Because then why is she just living at the castle? And why does it look like a castle to her?

Cristina: We don't know what it looks like to her.

Jack: Fair she's just living there. Unless she's actually living at these. This castle.

Cristina: They're just saying she does because she's by them.

Jack: Yes. She doesn't actually have to live there.

Cristina: No. She lives in the area or she's visiting the area often.

Jack: And then the description I always heard about the white dress, but it got real complicated when it turned into coat. Yeah. In a gown, a robe, a raincoat or a dress. Always white.

Cristina: That sounds like she's just living around that area because you'd have to change clothes eventually. Like, she's not a cartoonist.

Jack: No, I don't think these cases are one Person saying she's changing to all of these. I think all the different cases are like, I think she was.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: You know, look like this.

Cristina: Yeah. Because we can't really tell.

Jack: Yeah, they can't really tell.

Cristina: Yeah. And like even the color of the clothes maybe we can't really see what color it is. So it looks white.

Jack: Exactly.

Cristina: It might not actually be wherever she is.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes. Or if she is actually on this side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like they're moving in a car. Unwilling in most of these cases to get out because they're paranoid and they're like, what if this is just some crazy from the woods and she's just gonna stab me? Or.

Cristina: But they all seem scared, even though it's mostly it's for her. Like, oh, I'm worried about her. Kind of.

Jack: Yeah. It's always fear of some sort. Interesting. That's a different kind of fear. Sympathetic fear.

Cristina: Yes. That's exactly what she seems to be feeding on then.

Jack: Except sometimes she doesn't. She's just like standing in traffic. Maybe she starts fading.

Cristina: Sometimes it gets in traffic. That's horrifying.

Jack: That's f****** horrifying.

Cristina: What are you talking about? Yeah, so horrifying.

Jack: Just a chick shows up out of nowhere in a white.

Cristina: Yeah. Like there's no way you don't get scared in the moment. I don't know.

Jack: No, it's f*****. It's just being there. It doesn't matter. Just being there. It works.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's a place to live. If you took adrenochrome, I bet that place is CRO. That's why.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know.

Jack: It's just active. There's just people living in the woods together, being cool buddy buddy with one another. Because it's like home instead of whatever the. The shadow realm.

Cristina: She's probably not hanging out with the boy, cuz I think the boy is an echo. So she's just really just watching and amazing like everyone else. Like.

Jack: Yeah, like how weird.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's an interesting point. I haven't thought about that like actively, but I remember having like the brief moment of do. Does an echo play the same. In the same spatial location of the shadow realm?

Cristina: Possibly because they find this echo, this space where the echoes are living are, is as interesting for some reason.

Jack: Yes. And they can go there easily from their side. So it must physically be the same location somehow, even if warped.

Cristina: So there might be some echoes of our. Of beings that are from here and some echoes that are beings from them over there.

Jack: And that would explain really Weird, like things we can't track. Yeah, because it's like. It's not even even like the weird.

Cristina: Sounds that could be creatures that could. Maybe Those are echo sounds. Like shadow realm echoes.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking that definitely. How strange. We've never come across that thought because. Right. But then that's weird. I would not. If it's a time. If an echo is a time distortion, not actually a dead person.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then it's just a sort of snapshot of one of their moments too, being shown at a random time somewhere in that spot. Somewhere in a realm in that place.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah, I think so. I think it's important somehow, this whole time distortion thing, for real. I think so. That's why there are scientists working there and doing something and then something horrible is gonna happen. I don't know.

Jack: Now that's interesting. Right, Because I think. I think I found that too, but.

Cristina: More about what's gonna happen.

Jack: Not what's gonna happen or what has happened, but. Well, I'll explain. Now I'm gonna talk about public records, not police records. This is a summarized. This is not literally word for word. This is simplified to get the information across as quickly as possible. There's public records about a lot of different sets of information. Right. Okay. I'm just gonna look at them. We're gonna look at the information together.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we gonna have a conversation about this information. Okay. So the first mention of any female in the woods of Clinton Road in some kind of a white something was in 1965. Described as pale young female, homeless, roughly 5, 4.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Just random information.

Cristina: That is random.

Jack: Doesn't mean anything. But this was a robed young lady.

Cristina: Robed?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like a gown type of. She fits this lady obviously fits the. All the women we're talking about fit the dress code.

Cristina: Okay. White, homeless.

Jack: No. Homeless. No. This is just part of what's in this document.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Descriptors. I took out the word and put the whole sentence. Okay. Now I'm gonna tell you about a period of time between 1950 and 1970. Okay. In 1952, there were first reports of a satanic ritual or satanic rituals. We'll say satanic activity at Cross Castle. This gets noted. And this is just in the documents being recorded in history. There's been reports, you know, just 1950s, 1952. So Satanists. Ooh, they're Satanists. In. In the. In the ruins of the castle.

Cristina: How old is that castle?

Jack: Ancient.

Cristina: Because. Do you have the Date of when it was a castle.

Jack: It was a ca. I have a date when it stopped being a castle.

Cristina: Oh, what's that?

Jack: 1988.

Cristina: 1988. And it was ruins in 1952.

Jack: It wasn't ruins.

Cristina: It was still a castle.

Jack: It was still a castle. What? It wasn't an inhabited castle.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I think you think it was a castle, though.

Cristina: I like the history of this castle. When are we gonna get to that?

Jack: That's happening for sure.

Cristina: Okay, but just not today.

Jack: That's happening for sure. You're gonna understand why we have to look at this castle. Everything. Everything aims at the we. I told you. The castle comes last. There's too much. And it all points to the castle. So obviously we have to save the castle for last. It's the obvious conclusion. There's something weird going on in that.

Cristina: Castle because I want to know about it before the quote, unquote, uncle Today's. I know, I know, but, like, there had to have been weird things happening.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Before.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So that castle is gonna be a while.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's gonna be not just from now, but like the cat. The episode is gonna be hefty good stuff.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Okay, okay, okay, okay. So satanic rituals, 1952. First time we get satanic rituals happening at this castle.

Cristina: What do people consider satanic? They're in robes. They've gotta be sultanic.

Jack: Interesting point. Right. Interesting point. Unrelated to this castle per se, but rather spoken of throughout the woods, many different groups of robed people. Consistently, the two most used words are KKK members and druids.

Cristina: And how do they. Like, can you tell the difference? I mean, I guess you assume because they're dressed in white, they're kkk. But, like, what if the druids just happen to be wearing white?

Jack: Exactly.

Cristina: How do you. How do you know what you're like?

Jack: Because it would just be a robe. It doesn't matter the color. Right. It's just the style.

Cristina: Yeah. So is it one or the other.

Jack: Code of a black robe?

Cristina: Exactly. How do they know? How do they know? I don't know. There's something wrong with the story, but.

Jack: Okay. In 1955, investigations are demanded by the mayor of the time, Arthur McAdams. This forced the local police to work with the Newark Watershed Conservation and Development Corporation, or nwcdc, owners of the Clinton Road and the forest surrounding it.

Cristina: To do what?

Jack: To begin investigations to find out about those satanic individuals.

Cristina: How do they do that?

Jack: Are they a danger? I guess patrol and, like, Set up ways to, you know, keep it safe for people so dangerous stuff doesn't happen. So he's just gonna look and see if there was ever anything, Two years later, in 1957, investigations are concluded and produce no proof of any claim. Yeah, checks out. Like, I don't know what you. How you were performing, what were you doing for two years.

Cristina: Like, bruh, they're just walking around and they couldn't see any ghosts because maybe that at the end of the day, these so called satanic ritual people are just ghosts. And like, what are the chances? It's really random though. You stumble upon them. So why would you. When you're looking for them? I mean.

Jack: Yeah, that's fair.

Cristina: And not just ghosts, but like, there could be shadow people, they could be whatever. But like, you don't just look for them, they just. It just happens. And then you have a story, I guess.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So that's probably why Casta didn't find anything because they were just. They were looking. And like, you can't scare someone who's expecting you.

Jack: This fascinating logic. I'm kind of bad. I'm trying to process this because this absolutely, like checks out so heftily. It's like there's so. I'm so baffled by the fact that we've gone through so much data and one of the most consistent things in the world is that the investigators always come out empty handed. But people will sometimes. We've shown. We've shown on the show. I mean, I haven't shown the viewers, but I've shown you. And we've looked at some of these things. Some videos of actual things have happened. We've looked at photos, we've looked at literal speeches. It's never from people who are looking. It's never from the cops, it's never from the authorities. It's from everyone else. The people who are like, oh my God, what the.

Cristina: Because they're going to be affected emotionally. They're the ones that is what's feeding.

Jack: Whatever this is while people looking for it just think they're gonna find something not disturbing already.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And there's no fear to begin the ball rolling.

Cristina: Yeah. And if, like, even if they feel fear, they're gonna push it back because they got a job to do, trained.

Jack: To push it back.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That is. Bravery is pushing the fear down.

Cristina: Weak food. If they were gonna do something about that.

Jack: Interesting. This is interesting. This probably. You could probably find so many moments in which this happened. How very interesting. I know. I remember so many. But now this Is. That's a great point at looking at. Because anytime we see, oh, there's so many reports and the cops just find nothing, there's something weird going on there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's another thing that's just weird and unnormal.

Cristina: And I doubt it's that they're hiding it. Yes. They really.

Jack: They found nothing.

Cristina: Can't find anything.

Jack: There's nothing in them. They found nothing interesting. I like that. Fascinating. Also in 1957, Mayor McAdam resigns a month later.

Cristina: That's unrelated to anything.

Jack: Unrelated to any information. Just details.

Cristina: The people were like, you wasted everyone's time. You gotta go, I don't know.

Jack: 1965, this is a huge time leap. This is eight years later. First mention of a female of any description in the woods surrounding Clinton Roads is mentioned. Female in white dress.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: 1966. This is where it gets kind of. I didn't know about this one. This one just happened while I was looking for things. Black cars are reported coming in and out of Clinton Road day and night. Black cars, black cars, unmarked black cars coming in and out.

Cristina: What do you think that's about?

Jack: There were so many f****** reports of this s***. I don't know how this didn't make, like, national news or some s***. There were so many. There were hundreds people calling in to City hall about, who the f*** are these people coming in out of town. There were reports. I don't know, dude. People calling into the police station like, there's shady people who I've seen. They think it's the same person. Some people. Some people think it's different people. It's like there was so much. There were hundreds of. Just different, like, reports, records, and like, everything. Everything under the sun. This just kept showing up, but only for this short period of time.

Cristina: What was the period again?

Jack: Well, we'll get to the end of the period of time in a bit, but. And it's, like, weird. That's really weird. This just shows up, drowns everything, and then just poof. Never mentioned again. 1969. That's three years later.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Final reports of Satanic, druid or black car activity all stop simultaneously. Just done. 1971. First reports of KKK presence in the area.

Cristina: Okay. The Druids transform.

Jack: Now I'm not saying anything. This is just information. I cut this information out specifically because it built an image I thought was important. But let's talk about it. What does this seem like to you? We have, in 1952, satanic rituals are happening in the castle. Then three years later, 1955 people are kind of getting freaked out because they're.

Cristina: Seeing the lady or.

Jack: No, no, this is just about satanic rituals happening in the area, specifically around the castle. So three years later of reports just happening consistently, investigations are demanded, and the mayor goes ahead and jumps into action, and he gets together with the people who own it, the nwcdc, and they start doing whatever the f*** they were gonna do.

Cristina: But then the.

Jack: And then the mayor quits about this random. I'm not saying it's about this random, but like, he quits a month later after the thing is done.

Cristina: And then some suspicious people come, and then some suspicious.

Jack: Well, no, then the lady shows up, the girl.

Cristina: Oh, in a dress.

Jack: A girl in a dress. There's just a girl in a dress. First report of a girl in a dress wandering the woods. And then we get black cars coming in and out for three years straight. Black cars coming in and out. People reporting over and over and over, reports with these f****** weird cars. Final report of satanic druid or black car activity happens at the end of the three year period of the black cars. All three just suddenly, poof, gone. And then two years from that point, oh, there's KKK in the area. That's what's happening.

Cristina: I don't know. That's. I don't know. Tell me what's happening.

Jack: I don't know, man. Like, if you've ever seen a cover up, probably looks like that photo of what?

Cristina: Oh, yeah, like, right.

Jack: Is that what I'm looking at? Am I delusional? Does it look like the narrative changed really hard suddenly?

Cristina: Yes, but what did the cars have to do with anything?

Jack: This is very interesting. Right? So cars show up, but cars show up after the lady does. And that's pretty interesting. The first mention of the lady happens in 1965. And then from 1966 to 1969, black.

Cristina: Cars, druids summoned some creature who looks like a lady.

Jack: And then they came to something weird was happening. Something weird was happening in 1952 where the first reports happened of something. And satanic rituals, whatever. Those are Druids. Those are some Hermes like guys.

Cristina: They were summoning creatures from the shadow realm or something. Something not really summoning. It would be more like opening portals, Something.

Jack: Right. And then people started to panic. So then they tell the mayor or whatever means led to this investigation. And Mayor McAdams is like, okay, whatever, I'm a little gimbal. It's. And so he gets the people who own it to work with the local police and look into it. And they find nothing. And then he quits. Okay, you found nothing that's not worth quitting over. Is this like what they made you do it? Whatever. How would a crazy big political stick handle? Like, no, this s***? Nobody gives a s***. Why'd you quit?

Cristina: He for sure quit.

Jack: He resigned. Was literally what happened. He resigned his position at Monthly. It doesn't have to be related. It could literally just be unrelated. I don't know what the 1950s were like. Maybe everybody was quitting back then.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: You know, just pattern. I threw that there because pattern. It looks relative. I don't know.

Cristina: Seems strange.

Jack: Yeah, it's weird. It's notable. Somebody felt like they needed to write it down, so. Right. He works with those people. The investigations are concluded. In 1957, nothing is found. And then that same year, a month later, he quits. Okay. Then in 1965, eight years later, a mention of a lady in white, a girl, a young girl in a white dress in the woods surrounding Clinton Road is reported consistently. Just suddenly everybody saw this girl.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: 1966, the next year, it's abundantly reported. So presumably began little by little of black cars coming in and out. And then it's just. 1966 is like, this is ridiculous at this point.

Cristina: Why is there so many black cars?

Jack: Why are there so many like, tinted window, black cars coming in and out. These indescript black cars coming in and out.

Cristina: Investigating. The real investigation has started.

Jack: Real investigation has begun. That has to be it. Right? Like, we've never discussed them in a black on this show.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And like, you know, it doesn't seem like they're real to me. It sounds like some crazy people make up. And you know, we watch, we listen to other shows like Mysterious Universe where they often discuss the men in black showing up for things. But like, d***, bro, we cross paths with them now, that kind of looks like what happened right now.

Cristina: I think we'll find out. They're scientists, I don't think.

Jack: I think everybody is.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or they work for powerful science. Yeah, Big science.

Cristina: Big science, yeah.

Jack: You know, everything is. Everything is ruled by big science ultimately. But yeah, that's weird. Hey, that's. That's really what happened. The real investigation to coming in and out, taking samples and doing research and in shifts, most likely.

Cristina: Yeah, probably for the sea people, I guess. I don't know. Big science.

Jack: I don't know who big science belongs to. Right. And then with the, with the sudden stop of reports of black cars, we also get the sudden stop of reports of Any satanic activity, druid activity, or black cars coming through, all of it's just gone.

Cristina: But we don't know if it's really gone, if there's just KKK. Like, I don't know if those are really KKK's or those are just Juliets who are now in ya. Like, how do I know?

Jack: They're controlling the narrative. Do they own the police?

Cristina: How do I know?

Jack: No, you get my point. Like, nah, bro, it's weird. It all stopped. Yeah, that's where it's weird. It's weird at all.

Cristina: I don't know why we replace one weird thing with another weird thing. Like, yeah, no, because it's more believable.

Jack: It's just racism.

Cristina: I know. Like, but still, it's so bad. Like, wouldn't you still won't people still be complaining?

Jack: Like, I think they'll just leave it alone because the KKK is a legal organization.

Cristina: Okay. That's right.

Jack: Yeah. Even then, weirdly enough, it was illegal and still is a legal organization. Some of them do sketchy s***.

Cristina: They shouldn't, but they're not.

Jack: But it's legal organization.

Cristina: They're not satanic as far as we can tell.

Jack: As far as we can tell. Right. Okay, now I'm gonna tell you about some different mentions of a lady in white. Let me correct that. Of a female in white. That matters. Female in white. This is a collection summarized again, it includes public records, police records, state records, Reddit posts, weird New Jersey blogs, and other related sources of this nature.

Cristina: Everything, everything.

Jack: All the mentions that people are like, I saw something equal parts. I made sure it was equal parts from all of them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: To summarize the ultimate logic of what I'm about to explain, this is also focus on time. Now, all these stories that I'm about to give you were told to these people by somebody in their family about this area.

Cristina: These are all stories.

Jack: These are all passed down stories. Not one of these is lived except the police records and the public records, which were literally. And the state records, those all existed prior to the Internet. These were just somehow mentioned one way or another. The Reddit, the weird New Jersey and the blogs, that's all people who've been told.

Cristina: That's what we're gonna do.

Jack: And a lot of the public records were transcribed with notations explaining that they were filling in some of the information that was lost through a flood or something. So a little bit of interpretation needs to be had for the pub, for some of these public records. But it doesn't matter when you see this consistency. 1965, a female in a nightgown is seen wandering the woods near Cross Castle. Female is in white. Either a raincoat. Oh, no, she's in a white raincoat, seen wandering and inspecting Cross Castle. Female in a nightgown exploring the reservoir lake. Those are the three. Female in a nightgown seen wandering the woods near Cross Castle. Female in a white raincoat, seen wandering, inspecting Cross Castle. Female in a nightgown exploring the reservoir lake. All of these happened 1965. Many, many, many, many mentions.

Cristina: Okay, these are like police reports.

Jack: Police reports, public records, state records, stuff like that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And like two of these were, oh, my granddad said something about whatever the f***. Reddit seems to be the most informed about what my grandfather said. 1966, the most consistent mention. Female in a nightgown reported sitting on the edge of the bridge where we would see the kid.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This was heftily reported at that time. It's still reported and it's been reported ever since. A lot of people online who see it all the time. There's a lot of people who. But it was so mentioned back then. And this is one year after the first mentions, which were the previous three. One year later. It's important to note that 1965 and 1966, the most common word in reports and mentions of any sort was girl, often paired with the word young. So young girl consistently being a descriptor. 1969, female, again, young girl, white dress, reported coming from the woods, screaming for help before disappearing. Happened consistently. Female, young girl, white dress, seen crying by the bridge, reported consistently. Female, young girl, white dress, seen wandering by the woods, reported consistently. 1972, three years later, female in white, dead now. So those three years, those were the reports we were getting. Basically, that's where that whole period of time, those who were throwing in there. So 1972, female in white dress or gown, scaring traffic and endangering drivers. That happens until 1977. Female in a white raincoat attempting to lure people into the forest.

Cristina: How so?

Jack: Trying to call them in. Help me and come in here.

Cristina: So, yeah, that was the last one of it.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Shadow Realm creature. I don't know. What else could it be?

Jack: I know, I know, man. I don't know. I don't know. Same person, it seems to be. Or if. If. Okay, let's play devil's advocate and say multiple women. Why are they all this uniform thing. They're all lost in this wood. They're all, oh, my God, help me. Can you take me out of here? Hitchhikers. Oh, please get me out. Some are sad. Oh, please, can I kill myself? Can I die?

Cristina: I don't know. I mean, it could be multiple things.

Jack: Are they running experiments on these girls and they're getting like phase in between and they just can't die. They're just stuck in these woods. Why is it always dressed the same? That's what's with me.

Cristina: Except we don't know if it's really white clothing.

Jack: We don't know. We don't know. But it's always bright enough that everybody thinks it's white at all times.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's bright enough that everybody unmistakably.

Cristina: We don't have the same. We don't have enough details to actually know it's the same person.

Jack: We. We don't have any physical details. Yeah, there been some people who gave them, but it varied so widely it didn't matter.

Cristina: Yeah. So it could totally be different people. It could be the same. I don't know if it's the same person. I think shadow realm creature if it's not. I kind of still think shadow realm creature. Creatures who just use the same skill. Like some type of animal or whatever.

Jack: Like incubus or some s***.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: I don't know, man. I don't know, man. There's some things here that totally throw me off. What's. What is it with raincoat?

Cristina: It's different outfits, though.

Jack: I think the description of the outfit stays pretty consistent though, because we have a raincoat, a nightgown. We have a nightgown. We have a robe or a dress. I would argue the dress is the outlier there.

Cristina: I don't know how. Robe and a raincoat.

Jack: They're all flat down.

Cristina: Are you saying like they look similar?

Jack: I think they all look similar. I think it's the same one outfit. Why? What they. She's got a color preference and can't choose anything but white.

Cristina: That's the.

Jack: They think she's not a Power Ranger, man.

Cristina: She's not wearing white. That's what I think. I don't know.

Jack: But why are they all so bright? Or maybe she's glowing.

Cristina: Maybe she's kiss. She's some type of creature of creatures.

Jack: They're all creatures, always in white. Always in white.

Cristina: Different creatures, same plan.

Jack: Very bright, maybe.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No, but if she's just fluorescent or bright, then she wouldn't look white. Her colors would be more obvious because it wouldn't be dark. Her colors would be unnaturally vibrant.

Cristina: Yes. I don't think she's a Ghost or echo. She's some kind of.

Jack: Seems logical. Like she's moving around. Right. It sees there.

Cristina: Yes. There might be still more than one.

Jack: Well, let me propose some things here. Some experiments were being done. Maybe they're still being done somewhere. The castle's gone, but, you know, somewhere in the woods there on the ground, whatever. And young girls are what they use. And so, you know, they use them. Whatever. We tried whatever experiment that phased you in between the. Whatever the. And it didn't work or did work or I don't know what the they're doing. And then they're like, okay, get the out. We don't care what you do now.

Cristina: Yeah. Because like, even if they ran away, they're stuck because they're in some type.

Jack: Of limbo and they've had some of them survive and figure out if I keep scaring people or saying here that it's scary already, I won't die or whatever, I won't disappear, go crazy or whatever the.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, maybe they figured that out. Maybe the few have figured that out. But there was a uniform they were wearing at whatever facility they were being experimented on.

Cristina: Yeah. They're usually dressed in white.

Jack: We know the children are leaving from our realm. That's a fact.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's no question about it. The fact that we're kidnapping all the children, are being kidnapped by all the rich people and being sold to the shadow realm. So somebody's running experiments. Maybe it's not even the shadow realm of the experiments are being run. Maybe we're still just trying to figure out how to cross realms easily. They're stuck in the woods. Why don't they get out? And we didn't never hear about them getting out. They don't think we have heard about some getting out, but they're stuck on the other side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They just leave the woods and make it somewhere else in the shadow realm. That happens to be on our side too.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Because although many of these mentions started here, they do show up all over the world later. Almost all of them.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: Almost everything that's come from Clinton Road.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that region.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I didn't even realize. The headless horse. That blows my freaking mind. That that originated there God knows how long ago and that spread everywhere.

Cristina: I guess. That is weird.

Jack: It's weird, right?

Cristina: They're coming from there because of the powerful spots.

Jack: Because it's a powerful spot. They're coming from there. They're leaving there.

Cristina: Which is weird because you think it'd be Where a mountain is. But that has nothing to do with it. Well, that's something related more to the sea people than it does to the shadow realm.

Jack: Yes. Because we know the shadow realm and forests get along the law. The Vikings got it. And it looks like we're. We're getting pretty close to, like, we don't know what happened, but.

Cristina: Gotta be some dead fairies in there, bro.

Jack: There's a dead everything in there.

Cristina: There's dead fairies. There's got to be fairy trees in that forest.

Jack: There must be fairy trees for a fact. I'm sure there are shadow creatures that have been killed in there. And I am so sure that so many people were sacrificed in those woods.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To make it what it is.

Cristina: Yeah. It's too strange. It's too. Too much is happening.

Jack: Too much that runs together. Option number two, Maybe it's not a bunch of little girls. Gown, robe and raincoat are very similar. Not the dress. Another thing that would fit in place of the dress would be lab coat. It fits exactly the same as a robe, as a raincoat or a gown. Could be a lab coat.

Cristina: You're seeing a scientist.

Jack: Could be literal scientists that you're looking at. But that doesn't make sense. So why would they say that? And they wouldn't think that, so they would think robe or this or that instead. Just spitballing. I don't know.

Cristina: That's weird. But, like, if a scientist lady was yelling at you, I don't know if you'd pay attention. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: It's a weird one. Okay.

Jack: Okay. Now I'm gonna tell you a bit of information, and then I'm gonna tell you all the years in which it happened. All the following years and mentions are all in a white raincoat and identically described. They are all summarized into these specific descriptions. Ultimately, every mention following these years, the descriptions are, one, wandering around the castle, Two, watching cars roadside, Three, throwing something near the bridge. Four, picking something up from under the bridge, and five, collecting water, doing something to the water, or wandering around the water of the lake. And the years that this is mentioned in crazy amounts. It was important to mention the specific years because that was the weirder part. 1991, 1992, 1993 suddenly stops until 1999, then again, 2001-2002-2003-2004, and then it stops until 2009. And then it stops again until 2019-2020-2021-2022, and then it stopped again. No mentions last year, no mentions this.

Cristina: Year of her at all of her.

Jack: In a raincoat, specifically doing any of those things I said all those suddenly stopped any year I didn't mention every year I did mention it was just going on. That's exactly who the f*** she was and what she was doing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: 91, 92, 93, huge jump. 99, 91.

Cristina: I mean, 2001, those other years that you didn't mention she was.

Jack: No mention of her in this very description.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the mentions of her in general were low. But no mentions of her in the lab coat or raincoat.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I picked this out because of the lab coat idea. These are just her in what people literally said a raincoat. She's just in a raincoat.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it. 91, 92, 93, jump to 99. 201. 02, 03, 04, jump to 09, jump 10 years to 209 to 2192-020202-12022. And then no mentions for two years. Strange stranger is the fact that 1991, there were the bombings at the Twin Towers that made people think there was a terrorist invasion happening. Weirder is that right before Y2K quote, unquote. 1999, active dies for 2024. I mean, 2000, when nothing is happening. And then 2001 rolls by and the Twin Towers get struck. And again, people have this fear of, oh, okay, terrorism.

Cristina: So now you're leading towards. She's gotta be some type of shadow realm creature.

Jack: And then we have 02, 03, 04, active kind of dies out for a little. And again in 09, not sure what that's about. And then 2019 suddenly pops up and is mentioned all the way to 2022, and then suddenly dies again.

Cristina: And if we look up those years, something bad you think happened, something horrible.

Jack: So somewhere, 01 through 04, she could be coasting off of the fear from, you know, war against terrorism or whatever we were saying at the time. 09, I don't know what happened. I don't know what happened on that. Obama got elected. Were people that scared? I don't know about that. I couldn't figure it out. I couldn't figure that one out. What's weird about 2019 is you showed up before the virus. The virus began in December. These mentions were happening all the way from January.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Popped up suddenly. Thick, heavy. How she beat the virus by, like, she beat the mention of even there's something wrong by, like, nine months. That's weird. That wasn't fear. That tells me something very Different. That tells me somebody can either measure when something is gonna happen somehow looking forward and show up ahead of time to get things in order.

Cristina: Yeah, makes sense.

Jack: Or somebody can orchestrate things happening.

Cristina: I don't know. But like, why would she be doing all of that? She's just in the right place at the right time.

Jack: In none of those instances was she not in Clinton Road.

Cristina: Yeah, exactly. She can't do anything. She's just there waiting for these events to happen.

Jack: And Clinton Road is what? Why is it channeling crap that happens elsewhere also just throwing information out there. If Clinton Road is pulling, presumably the castle of Cross Castle or the railroad or whatever the crap is happening. The mines, One of those two. Probably the mines, realistically. But one of those two is pulling in this energy that gets formed on this side so that it could be used by things from the other side. Is that what Santa Claus figured out? A channeling system where little amounts from across the world and get pulled into where he lives that he barely leaves.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And he could reserve that to do crazy s*** like move the whole world in one night.

Cristina: I don't know. Because I feel like you need a stone for something like that.

Jack: Maybe he built it with a stone.

Cristina: Okay. Then there's gotta be a stone that was built in that. I guess the conclusion still is that there was or is going to be a stone in that spot.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Because the stones are somehow related.

Jack: This is what I mean. Like, it's obvious. Obviously, the miner, the castle, got something weird. And one of those two places, without a doubt, we're gonna find something nuts that's gonna answer a craft ton of questions. But there's so much going on. I'd rather see if we could figure it out before we get there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because there's so much to go through.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like, I don't know, man. What does it look like? It looks like the problem is the aging problem. Right. So it could also be that maybe this is a scientist that grew up there. Not grew up there, but she was young, she aged working here. She understands the woods. And so people have seen her many times. And maybe sometimes she's running experiments. What makes me think that is the collecting water, doing something to the water or wandering around the water by the lake, also running experiments, like try to.

Cristina: Tell them that she needs help.

Jack: I think I have a theory about that. I have a theory about that. I think she is an inevitable scientist. I think she's like one of these other people who went through a weird series of events and then joined something like the. The earth gods or the sun gods or something. It was like, okay, by chance, you seem to fit a weird role we can make for you. I think she kind of fits that in that maybe weird experiments were. In fact, this might. This is my theory in the background, right?

Cristina: You think this is from the past, though, or the future?

Jack: From the past. I think in 1952, Druids showed up and were doing some experiments intentionally trying to do something. Maybe they were experimenting on some chick, probably trying to recreate people or what, I don't know. Probably trying to do something similar to biblical things. I don't know. And this girl that was. Girl at that point was one of the subjects or whatever the crap. And she, you know, got whatever happened phased or stuck or maybe not even. Maybe she can leave and like, who the f*** knows? Maybe she can. Maybe she's the one who can actually f****** just come and go. I don't know. But she then freaks out at the beginning, and we see her a bunch running and asking for help. Help me. Can you see me? Do you see me? And she's crying by the lake and crying by the bridge. And that's all at the beginning, all that together. Young girl, crying and confused. But as she gets older and as the descriptions get more away from girl and start leaning towards lady, then, you know, she's over it. It seems like a person who's been dealing with it for a while. Again, my theory, I don't know. Been dealing with it for a while because the mentions of girl and the mentions of crying and asking for help kind of fizzle out. And then we get to a period where we just see her sad and somber and like, kind of like, you know, depression. Made peace with it.

Cristina: And then she's suicidal, though.

Jack: She seems like, yeah, maybe I'll kill myself. Maybe I'll figure out a way to die or something. But then that also fades away. And eventually we get this person that seems very purposed. They're over here doing this, they're interacting. They're doing that. They're doing. Their sadness is gone now. It's just like a serious individual kind of actively doing things, almost ignoring people who notice them. Like, whatever. Yeah, people on the other side, huh? Sure, whatever.

Cristina: Doing what, though?

Jack: That's the weirdest part. And what makes me most confused is collecting water, doing something to the water. What a weird series of descriptions that was. And wandering around the lake. So some experiments were definitely being run at the lake.

Cristina: Yes, but what.

Jack: And then she was wandering around the castle. She's Been seen wandering roadside. She's been seen throwing something near the bridge and she's been seen picking something up from under the bridge. Just science going and exploring and like checking things out.

Cristina: It's hard to tell these.

Jack: All of these are in lab coat or raincoat, which I am calling a lab coat for this theory.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: It's just her outfit's so very. It's hard to say just to say that it's a lab coat.

Jack: I don't know if anybody in a panic fear mode can really identify clearly when they're also similar.

Cristina: Just.

Jack: I mean, I guess a gown and a robe are quite distinct.

Cristina: That's tough. Yeah, I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Just theories, you know. I don't know. This is just weird patterns that formed looking at this.

Cristina: Is she just a scientist or some type of experiments?

Jack: Yeah, maybe. There's a bunch of these girls, they're actually just stuck out there. I don't know. I don't know. Something about the space time anomaly is affecting them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If there's multiple girls and yes, they're stuck there because why would there be more than one? They're definitely just trapped there.

Cristina: What do the men in black have to do with anything?

Jack: What was that? About three years of them consistently coming in and out and suddenly narrative changes.

Cristina: I mean, yeah, I guess something changed.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. Now it's kkk.

Cristina: That's weird because she didn't change.

Jack: When you look and you look for druids, when you look for images of druids, they're usually in white and they have a robe that has a hood. Not only that, if you look at the very robe that druids wore and you look at the same ones the necromancers were, they were identical. They're just often darker. For necromancers it's the same s*** almost down to the T. And you look at the ones that Zoroastrians wore and it was identical to the f****** one that the necromancer is just a whole mess.

Cristina: It's weird that she's never described wearing that type of robe though. All these outfits, but none of them are a rope. Like if it was a science coat, you might confuse that for. I don't know, I don't know. I don't think she's part of it.

Jack: We would have. We would have needed a science person to make one of these reports. Because the problem is this is by casual people, a lot of the Time. So we're like taking randos at their casual non well descriptive words and like their interpretation of whatever random series of situations they saw in plain darkness on a road that literally has nobody living there and no lights. So like, if any situation was ever vaguer, like, I don't know, all of this could be. A hundred percent of this could be unrelated. All of it. It could be unrelated. I don't know if it is because of. D***. The consistency is kind of hefty. Yeah, that's why I'm put it here. I put it like this again, it's just random information. But that's the problem. The problem that I began with. Problem one is that I don't know if all these women are in fact the same women. And if they are, then what the f*** happened? And if they're not, then what the f*** happened?

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: You didn't get anywhere other than just come up with more questions and solve anything?

Cristina: No, I don't know either. I'm confused. I don't know. Because it could be either or it.

Jack: Could be many women in experiments. We know experiments were happening and we know somebody's shutting the people who would report on about.

Cristina: Yeah, and we know so many people disappear in that area. Like how many of these women are just one of those disappeared?

Jack: Yes. How is anybody gonna prove it? They disappear if you get close enough.

Cristina: Yeah, tough, tough. Okay.

Jack: I don't know, man. I don't know what to tell you. That's just what I got. Well, the other problem that we definitely can't fit here, but we have to unpack at some point. This problem number two, the fact that there's a little boy and there's so many variations of this little boy in so many places. Little boy?

Cristina: Really? I thought it was just the bridge and the coins.

Jack: No, there's a lot going on and she interacted with them. Anyways.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Anyways, that's for next time.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Okay, so look, if you guys got any input on any of this information. Hey, look, it could be coincidence. I'm just looking at things. I'm comparing and contrasting. None of this matters. It's not important. It could mean nothing. I'm just a crazy person who reports on random things I find. And that's what's happening here and say any of this means anything, I got theories. I could be wrong, probably am wrong. Who knows? It's just more questions. Is it one, is it multiple? And then all the possibilities for either option. So look, if you got theories, hit me up. Hit us up. Let us know usconvopod on Twitter, Instagram on TikTok on Facebook x x remember.

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July 20, 2024

Rambling 282: Clinton Road: The Menu Part 3: Significance

July 20, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Is there any starting point for researching this Forest surrounding Clinton Road? What could be the most pressing amongst the sea of oddities? What can be found on the other end? The duo unpack the last of the reports from Clinton Road. This time, the clearly important bits are discussed.

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Topics Discussed:

Druid Activity
Disappearances
Satanic Panic
UFO Sightings
Mysterious Lights
Floating Orbs
Cross Castle
Mutilated Animals
Haunted Mines
Gnome Sightings
Invisible Barriers
Creepy Carvings

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+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where you and I ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideals. Yeah, no, that's legit, bruh. But okay, so recap, recap. Last time on Dragon Ball Z, for anybody who wasn't paying attention, Clinton Road for the hundredth billionth time, many years later, except now we have a lot of information to relook at it with. And so we've broken up the excess of things we have discovered. And we have separated into three categories, of which we discussed two already. Ones are echoes. Any long term listener understands an echo is a type of ghost that doesn't interact with anything. It's just literally a repeating something that isn't there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then phantoms on the shadow episode, probably shadow people, which is probably shadow people or other things that are just aware and they're physically and are aware of you and try to interact or can react. Those are not echoes. They're not just there not being responsive. They are there explicitly being responsive.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then today. Well, to clarify, in the echoes episode, we had some little details that the point of that was we were basically going down all the major events that happened in Clinton Road, breaking them up into these three categories. And with the echoes episode, it was to completely remove what we know isn't doing anything. But the point of discussing that to begin with was maybe something sticks out and is relevant. Which we have found a couple of things that we should look into. Because of the nature of those things, particularly intense distortions, directions, we could be looking at, whether it be a different realm or into the future to see how we can possibly determine something's happening. These kinds of details you've acquired. The phantoms episode was a sin. Well, the shadow episode is the same idea where we're trying to unpack phantoms. Phantoms are what we call the creatures that do interact, but we normally call ghosts. We've created a distinction. The phantoms are the type of ghosts that can interact, and they're usually just things in the shadow realm that you're interacting with.

Cristina: Yes. And they're spooky.

Jack: Yeah. A lot of them can be definitely.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Some of them are trolls. A pickup truck was definitely a troll.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Today's episode is the last part of our branch as we go through the Clinton Road menu.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And this is a collection of all the things That I know factually as we go down. Each one of these points is important. Without a doubt.

Cristina: It's all important.

Jack: It's all important. These are the things that all the. The other two sections were composed of things that, I don't know, could or could not be.

Cristina: But these relate to what we're trying to figure out.

Jack: This has ghosts, this has phantoms, this has tech. It's again, everything relevant that was factually relevant.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That wasn't in the other two lists. The other two list was just composed of those respective subjects, but that was unclear.

Cristina: May or may not be important.

Jack: Yeah, these are definitely important. And have things that should be on those two lists if they weren't obvious.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Every thing here matters now. Okay. The problem is that there was no way to order this more efficiently because of how important everything on this list is. So it's not like I can escalate gradually.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So I'm just gonna go for the number one thing here because it's the easiest for us to just kind of get into the groove and start to unpack this. But it is quite commonly stated and believed that human creatures. Human people. Not creatures. People. People. Humans. Humans.

Cristina: Humans. Okay.

Jack: Also wander these woods around Clinton Road. We know this.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I personally saw an individual doing something weird. Doing something weird. There was a town, like, adrift in this location where nothing else can get to. There are people now. Where it gets weird is the dialogue people have used to describe the people they have seen.

Cristina: These aren't normal people or they're not. They're. It's obvious that they're doing something sketchy.

Jack: There you go. Yeah. It's more about what they're doing, not who they are.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: So the stories are of cloaked figures, which we know. I personally saw a dude. And they're said to have been seen or glimpsed performing rituals of all sorts in the woods. And the word most commonly used to describe these individuals by people who are informed scholars who search for what people are talking about. Oh, it's spooky and blah, blah, blah. No, it's probably just this. The this they use is Druids. They believe they are Druid activity. Let's simplify. Druid people who work with occult things. Let's specify occult things in the context we're very familiar with. We're in a high energy displacement space time, problematic area. And people have seen cloaked individuals performing things that they would describe as magic if it wasn't technology.

Cristina: Yes. Crazy.

Jack: There was probably a necromancer there at some Point.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: That would fit what a druid is.

Cristina: Yeah. A necromancer.

Jack: There could have been.

Cristina: Which I guess, like St. Patrick. He would probably be described as a druid.

Jack: He would be described as a druid. Correct.

Cristina: Yes. Because what we know is they're in hoods. They usually have some kind of staff.

Jack: With a stone either in the staff or in a necklace.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's definitely a dialogue they're using with intention. And again, the fact that they use this word to describe it kind of reframes immediately the guy I saw instantaneously. You're not a KKK member, dude. You black? You're black. Black. So you're some other s***. But now let's take a step back. We use the word druid. Druid in this context means a magical individual. All the magical individuals we've known. I'm about to ask you to say something I haven't said myself yet. So put your thinking cap on. Where are they from? This is not a difficult question. Where are the people we have talked about doing magic from? Not which country. Which region?

Cristina: Which region?

Jack: Easy.

Cristina: I don't know. It's not a country.

Jack: Not a country.

Cristina: Not a country. The sea people. No. What region?

Jack: Where is Iran? Where is the Middle East? The Middle East.

Cristina: They're doing magic.

Jack: Oh, God. Okay, I got a. Let me grab your hand and walk you through it. The Middle east is the only mention we've seen of every single necromancer, every single magic activity has ever happened that began with somebody wearing a hood. It happened in the Middle East. We have no outside source that ever had a necromancer, ever had somebody who fit these descriptions anywhere else. It's always been in the Middle East.

Cristina: What about Sansa? He's in the North Pole. And the guy, Merlin? He's not in the Middle East.

Jack: They're not wearing hoods. I used these words so specifically. Guys doing magic wearing hoods is literally what I just said. Those individuals have only. We've only found mentions of them in the Middle East. Now another question I have not explicitly said, but is the obvious answer to this. They are in the Middle East. What is their skin color? Not a hard question.

Cristina: They're brown.

Jack: Darker than brown. Oh, they're very bronze.

Cristina: Is this important?

Jack: The guy in the woods that's wearing a hood is dark. I don't. How are you not connecting these dots, bro? Okay, I'm gonna stop trying to get you guessing.

Cristina: Are they saying the same thing, though, in their description?

Jack: No, I'm telling you what I personally Saw.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're saying there's druids in the woods and he's wearing. They're wearing, you know, they got cloaks and they're doing the things that, you know, necromancers fit. And then I saw a dude wearing a robe and it so happened to be a D skinned dude.

Cristina: Yes, dude.

Jack: The dots are connecting. But no, no worries. I'm gonna just connect all the dots and I'm gonna just flat out explain that.

Cristina: Like, did they describe it like that too?

Jack: No, I would have said that. But the point is I'm making the connection that there's a dude with robe.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: In the place where they're saying there's people with robes doing things and we see him with a machete. Then we get to a animal sacrifice. Like, all the parts are just lining up.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: No explanation required, but I will continue to just explain it instead of asking. But the point being that's definitely fitting the suit. Dark skinned dude in a robe definitely did something sketchy with an animal.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And he's walking away from it. That's what I see. But that just fits them. Talking about rituals being performed in the woods by druids.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: That's weird. Now I wouldn't have put those things. I was thinking KKK. That's. At the entire time, since 15 years ago when it happened, I've only thought, yeah, it's okay. But it doesn't make sense to have that thought because this guy is dark also.

Cristina: What does it do you have to do with a kkk?

Jack: Yeah, like, well, the area is drowning with them. That's a very, very KKK present area. But why would he be a member? Unless he's a troll who's using it to, like, disappear into. But he was visibly just walking around. You could see his arms. You can see, you know, and it's like, okay, it has a KKK vibe, but I can see your face. So it's not a hood that's literally covering your face. The assumption was, you know, he has it lifted and, like resting on his head. But maybe it's just a literal hood, not a mask. And maybe you're in a robe, not a cloak.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And maybe you were performing a ritual.

Cristina: Just out there like that. That's kind of crazy.

Jack: Literally what they say happens.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Rituals in the woods.

Cristina: Yeah, but you weren't in the woods. You're so.

Jack: You wouldn't have to literally be in the woods. They're not in a building would be the point of staying in the woods. It's outdoors. They're outdoors. Performing sketchy things would be the sort of general idea here.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're not hidden doing it because otherwise how would people see them? I'm sure that in the woods has meant some people have seen them on the street as well, just, like, doing weird things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so you move around them. At least that's what we saw. And the thing is, all of us saw that. All of us saw the animal, and all of us saw the dude. It was unclear what the dude was holding. Two of us thought machete, two of us thought shotgun. But by the time we get to the animal, there's kind of not really a debate here because it's sliced open. Two of us are right, two of us are wrong.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But weird. Anyways, the other weird part about that moment, that quote druid, unquote, is that moment of the machete or the shotgun, because what. How could we not tell? But let's back up and talk about what we know about Clinton Road and what we know about the shadow realm. Clinton Road has high distortions. That guy might have not even been present. That guy could have been in the shadow realm, and we were seeing the distortions of the shadow realm. That would explain both happening.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's a distorted image of somebody on the other side.

Cristina: Yes, but did the deer look like it was from.

Jack: Well, no, the deer was cleared on this side.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And maybe he used whatever he got from the deer.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we were seeing him phase in the middle. The veil was thinnest right after he took it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because he needed the veil to thin for him to cross. And then we're seeing him slowly distorting more and more as it goes through his system and he crosses over to the other side. Weird.

Cristina: Okay, but he didn't, like, disappear in front of you guys. Like, it wasn't, like, that type of spookiness, was it?

Jack: So the debate that we had following this moment, because we're driving and then he's in the back mirror, we assumed it just got so dark that there's, like, a threshold that you just instantly get sucked into the dark.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. So, like, it appeared like he disappeared.

Jack: It appeared like he tried to make.

Cristina: It make sense, but it could just.

Jack: Be that, again, we were in a car, he was on foot. Like, the dark could have just swallowed him instantly. Beyond some point, he did get smaller and smaller and suddenly gone, which is possible. It's totally possible. We were also spooked by the fact that we just saw some random dude out here in the woods with the machete or shocker. So, yeah, we're maybe not focused. It's already, you know, the sits, the place and the situations already getting to us a little.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But we'll leave that there. Who knows? The next one is this. This is one we're definitely gonna have to unpack in detail one day.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There are giant lists. Giant lists of people who've gone into these words and never been seen before. Like, again, they're just gone.

Cristina: They're just gone.

Jack: Gone. People missing in these woods all the time. All the time. They disappear. These woods are not big enough for. So for there to be lists and nobody to find them, just. It's not big enough. You'd find them. You'd find them. You'd send crazy search parties and find them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Nobody's been found. They're just gone. Everybody. All of them.

Cristina: How long is the list at the moment?

Jack: About 300 people.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Okay, spread out, spread out. It's not like 300 people last year.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, through all the time, we've recorded about 300 people wandered, never been seen.

Cristina: Again for like 200 years. For a hundred.

Jack: For the past maybe like 30 years. That's a lot.

Cristina: Oh, okay. 330 years. Whoa.

Jack: Yeah, that's a lot. There's people wandering and vanishing and wandering and vanishing.

Cristina: You know, if there's, like, groups of.

Jack: People that disappeared as well, like entire groups have vanished. Yes.

Cristina: What is that?

Jack: Well, there's an answer for what that is based on the fact that they vanish in an area that shouldn't be so easy to lose so many people. Where are they going?

Cristina: Someone's eating them up.

Jack: I guess they're going to slip into the other side. Yeah. Yeah, they're. They're falling through some of these thin places into different times or falling into different spaces.

Cristina: Oh, you think different times.

Jack: They could just go through one and. I mean, they're still the one that overlooks the lake and is always looking into a time in which there are people at the la.

Cristina: Yeah. And there's. There's a spot like the. The tall grass in there as well.

Jack: There could be. Where everything is intersecting. Yeah. Once you're in your track, that'd be crazy. Maybe that's what they are. Maybe there is a situation like that going on.

Cristina: Those are crazy.

Jack: I would argue the tall grass is kind of based on some concept like that that somebody, you know once read about or something, and, oh, how interesting. And it's like. That's kind of real, man. It's kind of Kicking around reality a little bit crazy.

Cristina: But it could also be that they're being killed off because, like, who knows what's in there? All these stories of monsters.

Jack: Like, not even.

Cristina: They gotta eat.

Jack: Not even stories of monsters. Let's go to how people try to explain this. Because that's the next important thing.

Cristina: How they try.

Jack: How they try to explain it. This takes us back to the castle. They believe that Luciferians inhabit the castle and that their cults operate in that area, leaving behind strange symbols. This is literally written, as I'm saying it. Symbols and sacrifices of unfamiliar animals. Now, how would we identify a Luciferian? Well, you're just guessing who they are. A Luciferian who's performing a ritual would be indistinguishable from a Druid, wouldn't it? Yes, except you call them a cult. You're saying an individual is a Druid and a group is a Luciferian. Why couldn't there be a group of Druids?

Cristina: Yes. And they're sacrificing Shadow Realm creatures.

Jack: Shadow Realm creatures. Now we're getting to something.

Cristina: Yeah, weird.

Jack: There are symbols which are transmutations. You can convince me of anything else. You could not convince me. S*** else is happening. Strange symbols, huh? That's too familiar.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then unfamiliar creatures being sacrificed. There is some sort of a portal somewhere around here that distorted everything. Those creatures are coming in and they're bringing them in. Or something happened in the future, in the past. This is the hotspot and they're keeping it safe. Hence the sacrifices. It's not sacrifices. They're killing whatever comes through that shouldn't be here.

Cristina: But then how, if they're keeping it safe, like they're still mad people going missing.

Jack: That's why they need to be there, keeping it safe. If they're keeping it safe, what would happen if they weren't?

Cristina: Oh, okay, so you're saying it'd be so much worse.

Jack: It'd be so much worse. At least they can keep it contained in the woods of Clinton Road. You see? Now, if they're the ones causing it, then we are talking about an area, and this is gonna. I don't know how the f*** I didn't think about this last week when we were talking about the Phantoms in the Shadow episode. But I literally mentioned that the Vikings had created a forest through continuous sacrifices in order to stay in contact, be able to traverse and communicate with things from the other side. How the f*** is this any different than that?

Cristina: No, it's the same thing. They're probably talking to A co. Uncle God.

Jack: Hella people go missing. That sounds kind of accurate to what the Viking were doing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Creatures from who knows where. People hear voices when they're there. People slip in and out of places they're unfamiliar with. Everything jumbles around.

Cristina: The same story, just a different location.

Jack: Yes. It's a modern day portal location. It's a sacred forest to cross into the shadow Realm in Clinton Road.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The argument is whatever the h*** happened once we crossed Paradise Road into the town of paradise, we weren't on this side anymore. That's why it was jumbled. But then we didn't consume anything to get there.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So we must have been on this side and it was just because again, if the steps that we're talking about are as we're talking about them, then the Druid I did see needed the thing to cross. We didn't consume anything. So we were watching a really hot spot on this side of that side. Yeah. We were just watching that side essentially. Without being there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like the thinnest part of the veil.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Without crossing. And so it behaves almost like we're over there.

Cristina: Yeah. But you need something to actually be there.

Jack: So then this brings up another question. Is it possible to thin the veil so much? It's almost the same place.

Cristina: Like you don't need anything.

Jack: Like you don't need anything. If that's what's happening in paradise, then paradise is an actual. And listen to me what I'm about to say, this makes so much sense. If paradise is just the thinning of the veil, then you can coexist. When people from the other side. We go back to the origin of Halloween and Christmas and all these things when they will go to these graveyards. It's where the veil is very, very, very, very thin. And they can just people who are dead and. But also be careful. There's creatures there who might harm you. There is a town in Norway where there are people from the shadow realm, people from Elfim and people from earthrealm living together. In no moment that we ever come across a line that said anybody crossed anything to get there, we just know they're there together. There's two locations like that. That's just one of them. Is it possible that these locations are extremely focused so that you don't need anything and people don't have to cross, but you can still see people from the other side. Additionally, in situations like the judge sleeping in somewhere, these spots, it would just be one. He never went in.

Cristina: He never went in. No. That makes it make so much sense.

Jack: He abused the knowledge of being in this twisted place repeatedly and got familiar because the veil is so thin. It's not the same place.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He didn't slip anywhere. And he could see them like they're standing in front of him even if they're not.

Cristina: Yeah. And his sister probably took something though, once they. She made the deal with the other girl or whatever.

Jack: The other girl actually. They both actually crossed. But they had to learn how to do it.

Cristina: Yeah. But I don't think he did.

Jack: I don't think he did. I think there's a. I think there are places within veils where you can just interact and it's the same place the them into us. And we haven't thought about this before, but it checks out. Because the way that fear thins the veil.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Means you could get it if you can just keep applying the same logic and never have adrenochrome. You never bring adrenochrome into the equation. You just keep applying more and more and more and more and more and more fear.

Cristina: That's why you were there. But it was different.

Jack: But it was different. But there are conflicts to this theory. What Twin towers fall. There's a crazy amount of fear. New York didn't suddenly shift.

Cristina: It's not a hot spot.

Jack: It would have created a hotspot. If the fear is what's doing it. Or are we talking that you need to create technologies to thin the veil to this point?

Cristina: Possibly.

Jack: So from the other side creatures can come to this. I would fear alone. But we need some catalyst.

Cristina: Yeah. Because we see all this time distortion thing going on. That's not happening.

Jack: That's not happening over there.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Another theory for the same idea of the thinning veil is what if it's literally the same thing to get across. How do I put it? We need fear. They can see us. What if there's something on that side they have to do and then we see them give a point. What's the fear equivalent?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If it's one to one, what's over there that we need over here to suddenly start seeing them? Ooh, we haven't thought about that.

Cristina: I don't know. That's tricky. I don't know.

Jack: But makes sense.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If that's the case and is the kids in the playground who aren't there, they could get scared and then that, you know, thins that area a little more because foreign and exciting and. Oh my God. Well, we're kind of spooked out. There's people camping out there looking for things too, from the other side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It could be just as scared.

Cristina: So you think it works both ways? The fear itself.

Jack: Both sides are horrified because it's a fun place to go be scared.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so both sides are going and kind of scaring each other, not knowing. Oh, my God. There's something over there. People. People. It's just people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There are things. There's dangerous things. There's wolves and there's bears and there's snakes and poisonous and birds and crap and weird chimeras and. But also on the other side too. Just whatever things they got. But also they see weird things. But it's just us and we see weird things and it's just them.

Cristina: That's. Agree. That makes sense.

Jack: Makes so much sense.

Cristina: Yeah. It's just fear works the same over there as it does over here. Okay.

Jack: And if it's not literally fear, we can just put the value of X and call it fear. Anyways, they have something.

Cristina: We got something that works the same.

Jack: Interesting. Useful, right? Yes, interesting. Everything on this list is useful. It's important. And in like crazy thought reframing.

Cristina: Wow. Yeah.

Jack: So there's definitely something weird going on. I don't know if they're causing it or trying to contain it. Unclear. That's what we need to be looking at that castle for.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But it brings up the theory that there is something going on. And then the Druid himself walking through having gotten some ambrosia, fades away because he crossed over. Meaning you do need the thing to cross over. But then we connect the fact that we didn't consume anything when we were in paradise and it seemed that we.

Cristina: Did crossover some event happening is important. The time distortion thing, because we would have these still anywhere. Like, why is this the spot?

Jack: No, 100%. 100%. I do agree. I think this is an overlap of many things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I think things happened here either on the other side in the future or in the past. And that created just enough disturbances had to happen so long ago or so far in the future or somewhere we just can't find that then makes us not know what this is. And it's just a unique place that we can't be like, oh, no. It's unique because of that. We don't have that answer. So we're just like, oh, it's weird and spooky and that gets people excited to go there. And then that sort of perpetuates the fuel of fear and crap.

Cristina: But something had to start.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Not sure where, when, but something yeah.

Jack: The distortion seems to be unrelated to the spooky s***, even if it kind of resulted in it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's just this came first and it allowed for other s*** to happen and now this s*** happens as a result of the curiosity from that s***. But it's still a super hot spot because it's where the thing, whatever happened.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So it's kind of like all of the things overlapping in one spot, making it this kind of complicated amalgamation of all the things we would define as ghosts and horror and mysterious. Now this brings us to the next part, which is again why we have to start looking in this area more seriously. Because the next sentence, I must say it as they describe it, but then we know really what it means, which is there are quite a hefty number of reports that identify flying objects that could only be described by the individuals as aliens.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: UFOs everywhere. We know who the UFO are.

Cristina: The sea people.

Jack: The sea people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And this is a hot spot that all this ghost activity and then we have UFOs. No, they're observing and probably landing places and checking out. Because they're probably the ones with s***.

Cristina: Yeah. They probably end up doing something there that causes whatever to happen to happen.

Jack: Exactly. You tell me UFOs. I know who we're talking about. You tell me UFOs over weird time lapse hot spots within places and shadow realm creatures. I'm like, bro, yeah. There's only one group of people that's doing this.

Cristina: Yes. And they're a group of scientists. Anyway, like obviously they're doing something weird, even if it's to stop themselves from doing the weird thing. Like some kind of Star Trek thing.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: They end up doing it anyways.

Jack: But then this tells us something else interesting. They do come out because these sightings are recent. The spot is recent. This is all recent.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This is the first mention we have modern day of something that is probably the sea people. Now. It would just be UFO and people being crazy if it wasn't where the f*** it is.

Cristina: Yeah. But is the same thing. Does that happen in the ranch that we were talking about a while ago?

Jack: Yes. So, yes. UFOs drowning in there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Weird, right? I mean, that was the whole thing we're talking about. It's paranormal, but it really means just ghosts and aliens and it's like.

Cristina: Yeah, yes, yes, yes.

Jack: There's a pattern here where you have a lot of quote, ghost unquote activity. You have aliens and it's like neither one of these are what you guys think they are.

Cristina: And before those stories, you had fairy story.

Jack: Yeah. In the same places.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, interesting. In both places. Kind of painting a lovely. It's becoming too easy to find what we're looking for.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The. In the collective of what they don't know is all one thing. Paints us the picture we're looking for. Kind of crazy, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now deeper into the rabbit hole. We got creatures that are unfamiliar, creatures that are likely familiar things that are probably the scientists. We know rituals. We got thinning veils. We got the clear shadow realm overlap. We got weird things everywhere.

Cristina: Everywhere. Yeah.

Jack: And then people say they see what they could only describe as sentient lights or orbs moving through the woods, responding to people and avoiding people. Usually the size of a softball.

Cristina: That sounds familiar.

Jack: I'm thinking fairies. I'm thinking this s*** has everything still to this moment.

Cristina: Till this moment.

Jack: I think all of it is in there. I think these are fairies and we're seeing what they would look like without coming through.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: We're seeing the shadow realm equivalent of fairies. Never thought about it. How would they look like if they didn't come fully, but they were still on their side watching us, if we thinned that veil.

Cristina: Interesting, because I. I don't know if we've talked about fairies like that.

Jack: Never cross our minds. It would apply the same. If it's all the same.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It would just be a different direction, but the same idea.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. They just see them moving around.

Jack: That's like an impossible to catch. Impossible. Just super fast. And seem to, like, not be phased by creatures. And just totally like the overpowered thing that doesn't care about anything is that orb. And it's like, weird. I can't confirm it's a fairy. I cannot.

Cristina: No, but.

Jack: But, like, what else could we be talking about? Yeah, we'll pin that as fairy for now.

Cristina: Mm. Could be a shadow realm creature.

Jack: Yeah, it could be. But the fact that it's a light kind of argue because the shadow realm. They named the shadow realm because of its dark characteristics.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: The fact that this is bright, a bright glowing orb, it's like, oh, okay. That's some whole other thing you're talking about.

Cristina: Okay. You know, yeah, that makes sense.

Jack: But yeah, that. That one caught my attention because I'm like, I've never thought about this, but I could only explain this as the opposite of the shadow realm, which I would say is all fame and, like, how would they look like if these guys look like shadows but they're not?

Cristina: What would the other guys look like?

Jack: They would look like light even if they're not. And definitely the most important thing here is Cross Castle, which is specifically the ruins of the castle that it's said to be haunted by spirits and consistently visited by alien presence. Which is like, bro, it's always being like, aliens are always a UFO's always hanging around. It's like, brother, come on, you just tell me.

Cristina: The Druids are doing rituals.

Jack: That's where Luciferians are at.

Cristina: Yeah, it's.

Jack: It's obviously there. Yeah. You're telling me aliens are watching Luciferians in a place where they're performing rituals and when weird creatures come out of. Come on, bro, that is.

Cristina: That's too much.

Jack: That's too much happening all in one place. None of this is coincidence. The fact that people are talking about it like it's random. Separate is stupid to me.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like you guys really think all this separate is happening simultaneously? Just maybe it's all one thing. Whoa. Yeah. As I go through it, it's just gonna get dumber because it's gonna be so obvious. You don't even need any of the information we've uncovered to really understand what's happening.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: At this point, like, bro, obviously, obviously. But yeah. So Cross Castle, that's gonna be the main focal point. And I think as we unpack all of the details that matter to all these right now we're just skimming through, and then we're gonna truly deep dive into all these things. We're. We're in here for the long.

Cristina: Starting at Cross Castle, right?

Jack: No, we're ending at Cross Castle. That is the last point we will get to.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Because I'm sure when we get to that, all the other points are going to become null and void. So I want to leave that for last so that we just don't run out of s***.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: But Cross Castle will be the very last visit out of all the things we deem are important here. Now, revisiting the mysterious animals that seem to be unknown, there are a couple of things that ring familiar with the descriptions of these animals. Now, oftentimes are considered exotic because people are just unfamiliar with the animals that there are. But there are two descriptions that ring very powerfully. There is an old research paper of a journalist who was digging through these things, John McLean. And John, in looking at these things, says a nearby zoo had animals escape. According to their mention, the zoos.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But it seems that there was no forced entry upon police speculation. So it must have been a clean job. It's a zoo. There's no such thing as a clean job. So they gave the animals to somebody. That's weird. One fact random. Other note from a different. These are not journalists, these are people, okay, describing what they've seen, claim that the animals they witnessed are hybrid animals. Chimeras, literally.

Cristina: We do know about a scientist that was working on chimeras in real life.

Jack: Though, about many sciences.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now where this becomes relevant is when we look at what was taken from the zoo. Lions went missing.

Cristina: Sea people's favorite animal.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay, yeah. Were there horses?

Jack: Horses went missing, huh? You got anything else? You're on point.

Cristina: Those are the only two main ones I can think of.

Jack: Horses went missing, lions went missing, eagles went missing.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: You see where we're going? It's just visually on point.

Cristina: We got the flying horse. The flying horse.

Jack: Eagle, flying lion. Oh, exactly. What the we're supposed to be seeing is what went missing from the. And no broken entry. How'd you take eagles? How'd you take horses? How do you take lions? No broken entry. Come on, you serious? That's a breeding ground. Those animals were donated, by the way.

Cristina: They're donated.

Jack: They were donated to the zoo. Oh, zoo's in on something, isn't it? Oh, you see, it's weird lines. It's like we don't even need to dig deep to understand some of these pictures. You tell me exactly what's missing over there is what people saw. Hybrid over here. What are the odds?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Just a coincidence, you know, just like they think isn't this is unrelated to that. It's just all random coincidence. It just so happened to be that only horses, lions and eagles are stolen and you see hybrid lion, horse, eagles over there. It's fine, it's unrelated.

Cristina: Unrelated. Okay, you're going.

Jack: You jump into speculation, man. What are the odds that exactly what's taken over there shows up over there? Fused.

Cristina: Were there any other animals taken?

Jack: No. Okay, horses, lions and eagles specifically. Yeah, no broken entry. The two explanations are escaped and were stolen in neither case could have happened. No, neither could have happened. You guys had to open and let them be taken. That's the only way. Yeah, crazy random details, not saying any of this means anything for anybody who thought this was always just coincidence after seeing everything put together. But whatever, you know, total coincidences. Then we get still on the topic of animals, what people describe as. And we know exactly what these are. Phantom animals, ghostly sightings of long dead pets, including dogs, cats, appearing alone in these areas. Very interesting detail here that these ghost creatures are pets. And that they're in this area because it would be the place where you would see the things from the other side. And if the veil is incredibly thin, then if you live in the area, your dog looking for you follows your scent like a wetchudge would and lands in Clinton Road tracking you. And then you see your long lost dog who's been dead for a while.

Cristina: Do they say like if they behave like an echo or.

Jack: No, these are just fully. Yeah, they feel like these are actually phantoms interacting and like. Oh my God, is that my dog? Oh my God. And then disappears.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And it's like. Okay.

Cristina: This makes sense to be a spot where they'd.

Jack: Exactly. Where they would pop up. This fits the graveyard.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That very well. People will go there because it's just a beacon for dead s***. And then you can go see your loved ones there.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: This could be the same thing. It's just a beacon for dead s***. And anybody who lives close maybe comes here to scare themselves once in a while, but your s*** is already in there somewhere. And once in a while you might just cross paths and see it. So I think that's very interesting. Weirdly and. Yeah. Yeah. It's weirdly enough. A lot of the visitors, like, this is my first time here. Like I saw my dog in there. It's like. Yeah, it's a beacon for deadship. Yeah, it's the hot spot. One of the. The other point that this makes me think about if the Vikings had one and we have one. Every major populated wooded area where people go missing is probably some s*** like this.

Cristina: Yeah, you gotta look into every.

Jack: There's an easy one. Japan has a forest of death where people allegedly go and commit suicide.

Cristina: Yes. There's gotta be weird stories coming out of there. If anyone just goes in there, they go in for the stories, but they see other s***. They gotta.

Jack: Yeah, I am sure now with the perspective this all we ever get more information. And then it enlightens other situations. And now we know this is probably the same as the Vikings place, which means we have a second one of these. But if there's two, then there are more.

Cristina: So much more. Yes, yes, yes.

Jack: There has to be a lot. And if we're talking Japan has the forest of death and Jesus went to Japan.

Cristina: That has been chosen for a reason. Okay.

Jack: F****** force is old, bro. Ours isn't. That forest is.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's been spooky to people for millennia.

Cristina: Yes. There's got to be some kind of energy or something that is involved.

Jack: Something. There is More important, Jesus himself thought that.

Cristina: Mm

Jack: Now we move to the next part of this. Here we're talking about undeniable s*** that we don't have to theorize about. Specifically with the next thing I'm about to say. People have found items in the woods that they believe look like cursed artifacts and relics. They use the term magic. That oftentimes when somebody tries to reach one of this, they've seen these artifacts begin to glow.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Or behave weird. Oh, it looks like a rock. And when I try to reach for the symbols on it light up or something. And it's like, maybe you're just looking at technology.

Cristina: Fairy technology, Shadow Room technology, Elysian technology.

Jack: Why would it look like our stuff unless it was made by earthlings. Okay, which would be the.

Cristina: But you said cursed.

Jack: They're describing it as cursed.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: People who don't know who wandered through the woods. All of this is just people who don't know. Every description we've given, there's people who don't know and they say cursed. They see a piece of stone with symbols on it, they reach for it and it glows. And they're like, it's cursed. That's an uninformed assessment of a piece of technology you're looking at.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: Of course, anything sufficiently advanced enough would look like magic. That makes sense. Oh, I reached for it lit up. It's cursed. It's woods with Luciferians. There seem to be demons in here. And then I find a rock with a diabolical looking symbol. I reach for and it lit up. It's cursed. Checks the narrative. It checks out with the narrative they're painting. Yes, but that means that there's so much activity here that there have been pieces of technology left, left, right. That means that some Alicians maybe have been killed in these woods running experiments. And like a wet judge breaks out.

Cristina: And like, off them, something horrible is happening there. So currently, not just in the future, is there something gonna happen, but there's.

Jack: Something currently happening, energy wise, we don't know. But we do know, activity wise, never stopped.

Cristina: Never stop.

Jack: We don't know if there's a giant machine being run, a machine that was run, or a machine that's gonna be run and where it's at. Exactly. We don't know any of that, but we do know activity wise, since the moment it began, it has not stopped.

Cristina: It's not gonna stop. And it's not gonna stop. Looks like it's not gonna stop.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yes. And I wonder if we'll see these items Again, yes.

Jack: So I actually have mad stars next to that now. Because we've found images of technology from the past. I want to see what the f*** there. Somebody had to be brave enough and pick one up and be like. Or took a photo on their phone or something. You know, show it to me. So I'm gonna dig and find something. I want to see what it looks like. And then. Is it in a book? Can we find a hieroglyph with an image of it? Yeah, you know, anything. Just give me one image and I will cross reference everything under the sun until I find something.

Cristina: We're gonna find something.

Jack: We have to. They. It's. It's more than one person saying this happened.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There are cursed artifacts that people have talked about. It's like, okay, okay, now we're on to something. And that's unquestionably something obvious.

Cristina: Yeah. But when I think of like, if they're gonna call something cursed, does that mean something happened to the people? You know?

Jack: Like, no, they don't know. They're. If they're reporting it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Nothing happened to them. They just don't know what they were looking at.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like, if they're telling you about it, they made it out.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Otherwise they wouldn't worry about the thing. They'd be like, people died in the wood, you know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're like, no, I saw a weird thing. It was probably cursed.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like, okay, then nothing happened. They're just using s***** language because they don't know better.

Cristina: Alright.

Jack: They don't know no better.

Cristina: You gotta check that out though.

Jack: So coming back to the idea of animal rituals, the. This is so related to me. Pretty often people find mutilated animals. That's just like a literal report. Mutilated animals usually on the curbside or roadside. Yeah. And the, the exact descriptions go like, they find animals in the woods. They're speculated to be result of the occult rituals. Oftentimes opened from the chest down to the belly button. You know, kind of that area.

Cristina: That's what you think you saw?

Jack: That's literally what I saw. Literally what I saw.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Literally what I saw. Yep. The deer cut straight from its neck all the way to its private parts and then just opened. That's it.

Cristina: And it looked like it just happened.

Jack: It looked like it just happened. I didn't think about this next part until this very moment. And now I'm disturbed because I think about this next part until this very moment. I've told you a thousand times about that deer.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I never once saw blood on him or the deer. That's f****** weird. I never thought about that for the last 15 years. Never crossed my mind. There was no blood. Not a bit. I told you. I even f****** walked and was looking at it up close. I was amazed by what the f*** I was looking at. The guy was in a white robe.

Cristina: Yeah. No blood.

Jack: No blood did cross my mind when nobody questioned anything.

Cristina: The deer. No blood.

Jack: Deer, no blood.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: Weird, yes.

Jack: Now I have less idea what I saw. That's weird. Now I have less idea what I saw. I don't remember any blood. I don't know why. I don't know why the f*** doesn't cross my mind.

Cristina: So right now the whole situation's weird.

Jack: Yeah, it is f****** strange as h***. This strange one spectral fog. So a thick, unnatural fog that rolls in suddenly, obscuring vision and often causing travelers to lose their way. Now people say this fog is so confusing, it feels like the Roger movie. Is this fog literally what it looks like? When the veil is thinning more, you're seeing the other side, so it looks unclear.

Cristina: Yes. When you saw. But you didn't see fog?

Jack: I didn't see fog, no. But also we crossed something.

Cristina: Yeah, I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. Something to look at. I got everything here. Something to look at. All of it somehow relevant.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We've never heard this before. First mention of a fog that rolls in right before things start to jumble up.

Cristina: But you saw things jumbling up and no fog.

Jack: No fog. I saw a jumbled up mess and I never saw fog.

Cristina: Strange. I don't know.

Jack: Okay, let me do some f****** rapid fire. Running out of time. G******. Okay, okay. This is important as f*** because I didn't even know this existed. I only found. This is one of the. It's towards the bottom of this list because it's one of the last things I found. Just looking through this and I'm like, what the f***? Nobody's ever mentioned this. There are mines out there. Mine, mine. There's old mine tunnels said to be haunted by spirits of miners who died in them. People have been seen coming in and out of the mines, bruh.

Cristina: People might be going in and out of the mines.

Jack: I don't think that's Rose, bro. Think about this real hard.

Cristina: We know people are experimenting.

Jack: There are mines going way out of sight. Let's take another moment. Eloi built his lab in a cave. When you go into those caves, you see the pipes going in random directions.

Cristina: Yeah. This could be a lab.

Jack: This could be a f****** Lab.

Cristina: I think it's a lamp.

Jack: The castle isn't in the center. The mines are. Of course, if we were to ever find a huge energy displacement, something, something. I think it's more likely to be in the mines. To be in the mines?

Cristina: Yeah, I think so.

Jack: It's also weird that that's the least mentioned thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: There's been mines there this whole time.

Cristina: Well, who's gonna be exploring the mind?

Jack: It's not about exploring them. Why don't people talk about them? That's all. Just mention it more often. I've heard so many of these other things, I've never once heard of the mines.

Cristina: Most people disappear at the mines.

Jack: Fair enough.

Cristina: Who knows?

Jack: Like, fair enough. Fair enough. That's definitely, like. I do believe if we. If we're looking for something, it's the castle or the mines, one or the other. And at this point, knowing the past, it's probably the mines, not the castle. Castle is probably home or, you know, the top of the mountain. The place you get to before you walk to the other place. Yeah.

Cristina: The mines has to do with the sea people, but the castle has to do with the Shadow realm, the necromancers.

Jack: So we're talking just a hot spot for, like, literally, not just for activity of other things, but, like, there. Different groups are coming here to use this.

Cristina: Mm. We got fairies. We don't have any fairy trees.

Jack: We don't have fairy trees, but I'm about to blow your mind. Now that you mentioned fairies. One of the most consistent sightings of things here are gnomes. Weird, weird gnomes.

Cristina: Have we spoken about gnomes somewhere else?

Jack: Yes, we've briefly addressed gnomes. Gnomes, yes.

Cristina: Weird. Okay.

Jack: Oh, yes. And gnomes are fairies. Very type of fairy.

Cristina: Okay. Are they hanging out by the mines or they're just random.

Jack: No. And just in the woods, along with orbs, along with all the weird creatures, just random spottings of these things. Everything is out here. All of it.

Cristina: I bet there's fairy trees. But of course, no one could find the fairy trees.

Jack: If you did, how would you tell? Yeah, how would you tell? I bet there is a fairy tree. I bet if we look hard enough, we could find a fairy fort.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I mean, dude, there's the mine and there's the castle. Come on, bro. Everybody has a base here. Yeah, it's not big enough to lose a s*** ton of people, but it's big enough to have a couple of bases in here.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You know, it's starting to paint a real vivid picture. I think we're looking at a spot that's kind of like the city up in Norway. I think we're looking at a spot that's kind of like the city in India. These places where, you know, amalgamations of people get together and they can kind of coexist and maybe. Neutral zone. It's a neutral zone. You are beef. Whatever. You know, we got the un. I might hate you as a country, and you hate me as a country, and we're gonna go bomb each other later. But at the un, we all shut the up and we're just. Nothing happens here, or everybody here bombs you.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so that would be the idea, Right? The space. Neutral territory. We can't do anything to each other here or the other groups collectively. F*** you up.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Neutral territory.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so a fairy can gladly be here, knowing the Elysian can walk right by him. Be like, I'll get you when we get out of here. You know? Because if you do violate. Well, how many other groups are here that are just gonna. Well, we're not gonna let you violate our safe spot. Even if we don't like them, too. We're gonna you up, because now we can't let you do that because then you might do it to us too. And, like. Okay, so neutral zone where everything weird happens.

Cristina: I think so. That sounds like that.

Jack: Because we've seen too many different things now.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Too many conflicting interests coexisting. There must just be enough of something to go around. What is it?

Cristina: What's going on? They're all interested.

Jack: Mm. Now, this next one is definitely gonna be the hardest one to unpack, but it's also like, the clear. Yeah. People have probably even touched one of these buildings. People come across invisible barriers. And there's one group of people who we know are really good at making invisible s***.

Cristina: Just making invisible things.

Jack: The Alicians. The people who make entire mountains vanish. I guess the people who can be in plain sight and their civilization not be in there.

Cristina: Okay. Yes, we know they're in there.

Jack: They're in there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But, yeah, people have literally, like, come across, like, what the f***? I can't go through?

Cristina: And it's, like, kind of scary.

Jack: Yeah. You're just probably touching a building or some s***. You don't even. You can't see it, so you're like.

Cristina: Which matches the whole. Like, they're going up and down. You're seeing these weird ways that they're walking. Like. Yeah, it could be.

Jack: Well, no, they wouldn't be. You wouldn't see them at all. They would be invisible in the building.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: Everything in there would be invisible.

Cristina: So that's the shadow realm, the other one, I guess.

Jack: No, that's the elation. Cloaking technology.

Cristina: No, not that. The people that you do see walking up and down.

Jack: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Those people must be in the shadow realm. You must be watching movement within the shadow room, for sure. But these people are definitely not like, this is the fact that they. They literally set invisible barriers.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like, oh, man, that's so specific, bro. I don't even know what to do with that information. That means we just gotta walk a ton of Clinton Road, broad daylight, and just. Just such things run until we hit something that doesn't. That isn't there, I guess.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I don't know how we would find it, but, like, people have come across it.

Cristina: Yeah, that's. That's tough.

Jack: Tough. But this also suggests something different. Elysians can find their building without uncloaking it. They must have something to show them where it is.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess. They have the technology.

Jack: Other obvious thing that is here are, you know, time slips. Little thin places, people. That's the primary thing we think is dominating this place. A s*** ton of thin places everywhere. And creates the main attraction, which is probably what everybody else is there. Abusing ways in and out of different places.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: And that's in abundance. People are like, I f****** went through here. I felt like it was a five minutes. And then when I got to the other side of this tree, it was f****** night.

Cristina: Okay. Now, there's a lot of stories like that.

Jack: That s*** is the most abundant kind of story. That is literally the most common occurrence. There is seeing something weird that can't be explained. The truck and people losing time. Those three events. Those are the most consistent things that happen. People see a truck a lot. That guy's out there desperate, okay. He's desperate. Seeing shadows and crap super common. And then people losing crap tons of time or moving in unbelievably quick. They're going. They began. Two minutes later, they're on the other side.

Cristina: That's strange.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's 10 miles. How'd you do it?

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Going back to odd symbols, there have been symbols found on stones. There have been symbols found on structures. There have been symbol found on odd relics and artifacts. The weirdest one is symbols found on trees that seem to always be in pairs.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: What people describe always seeing two. I want to find images of this. I couldn't.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But people say fine. Always finding to. I had to say, because I know you're gonna ask, are the photos but two trees next to each other with exactly the same symbol on both trees?

Cristina: What could that mean?

Jack: What could that mean? Kind of sounds like a lazy portal.

Cristina: To me, I guess.

Jack: Right. Because it's still the arch. You still have the two walls to it.

Cristina: If you.

Jack: I don't know how. If the top is requirement. But like, I don't know. I'm just thinking, like, what could I picture possibly me. So, yeah, that's. That's what we get. Those are the important things to look at. This is the thing you need to.

Cristina: Look at that there's so much. Yeah, yeah. We gotta look at everything.

Jack: There isn't one thing I mentioned on.

Cristina: This part that we don't need to look at.

Jack: So this is why I called this what's significant.

Cristina: It's all.

Jack: It's all significant. I'm telling you. We're here for the long haul. This is a lot of crap to dig into.

Cristina: Yeah. Whoa.

Jack: There's a lot. Yeah. It's ridiculous. So, yeah, this is what we have, man. There's a crap ton. We, we got fairies, we got thin places. We got creatures from the Shadow Realm, we got Elysians, we got fairies, we got science experiments. We got people desperately trying to get back. People somehow just casually crossing to the other side. We have places with extremely thin veils that make it indistinguishable. We have that as an explanation to how people in the past managed to get in and out without ever actually going in. We have. Have too much information going on. Everything. Everything is here. All of it happens here.

Cristina: You have a lot of missing people.

Jack: We have a lot of. We have a lot of missing people. But that's a clear one, man. Because they're either cultivating a way to get through or there are stones being made. Maybe s***** ones. Could be just enough to do casual things. Yeah, you need something huge. You don't need a crap ton of people. Yes. Need a casual stone. Take two or three people.

Cristina: We have a deer with no blood.

Jack: A deer with no blood. We got chimeras. Obvious chimeras. A zoo that's somehow tied to it.

Cristina: Yeah. Weird.

Jack: So, yeah, that's what we got for you guys. So, you know, if you guys have any input, any ideas, any in. Anything interesting, any information additional. I think I didn't mention that. You guys think is relevant and falls into here, please. We're kind of just. Yeah. Connect Dots connect.

Cristina: Yeah. There's so much connecting we got to do. We tried our best but like anything.

Jack: We didn't see feel free. Call us stupid just give us the answer but what you got to do just tell us what the answer is.

Cristina: Yeah help us.

Jack: And you could do all that by going to our socials. You can contact us at just convopod on X on TikTok on Facebook and not on YouTube because we're not there anymore.

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Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

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July 13, 2024

Rambling 281: Clinton Road: Part 2: Shadows

July 13, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

If Ghosts we title Echoes are visible time loops that can’t be interacted with, what is its opposite? Can Phantoms be interacted with? What are they? The duo continue unpacking the narratives around Clinton Road on their endless quest to understand what happened in their childhood. No longer looking at Echoes, they focus on the things that react to visitors. The stones uncovered will reveal some new perspectives never before visited on the show!

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+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And so we do that.

Cristina: Do that every week.

Jack: We do that every week. We do that all the time. And so, you know, in the last couple of years, we've gotten way informed on a lot of sort of esoteric and stoic knowledge. Things hidden, you know, the, the secret scriptures and the secret texts and lost civilization things, and cross referencing information that suggested so many things. Anybody who's been following knows what we're talking about. So we've used this knowledge recently because it looks like we were digging into an infinite hole.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So let's use the knowledge instead of continuing to dig the infinite hole and apply it to other places that have very similar conditions. And so we've started to unravel things. And so last week we're digging a new hole. No, we're using the information we have from the hole to compare to other things and be like, oh, this looks like this over here and it looks like that over there. Okay, no more hole digging until something here informs us on which tool to go continue digging with. But point being that we were last week kind of going through some of the information that we were not talking about. But you know, we in the past have come across Clinton Road, which is a really odd place. And it had a lot of similarities to some of the things that we've recently uncovered. We've seen that we can find residue of high energy technology and it usually takes the form of space time alterations and odd anomalies. So looking for things like this informs us. And so two weeks ago we looked at a scenario that was heftily informed. I believe that was a skin walk around.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then before that again, we had another instance, some creepy mansion.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: The mansion. Yes. And directly after the Skinwalker Ranch, we did Stonehenge. All which have the same things. And what we find is the same things. Gateways and distortions and a lot of quote, ghosts.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So last week we go to the place we know has all of these things happening simultaneously on top of each other. And like I said, I broke it into three sections because there was absolutely too much happening in this one place and.

Cristina: Ridiculous amount.

Jack: Yes, too much. And for anybody who's not familiar, many, many, many years ago, maybe like four or five Years ago, we dove into the experience me and two friends had there, three friends. Of course, we couldn't get a contact with them, but we brought to them on the show. We talked to them and everything about how strange that place was. Everybody had different stories. Whatever. You guys can go look at it. It's Clinton Road. I think it was Halloween episode. It was like three episodes long or whatever. And last week, we were just going over anything that we would identify as an echo, a sort of replay of a different moment that is not interactable necessarily, but rather something that's happening but not now.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And there was a lot, some things of which were very important that we need to look at in the future. But that was only one of three sections I'd made because that was just the echoes. This week, I would like us to dive into the things that do respond to people. Not that just play on a loop, but the things in Clinton Road that seem to not be an echo, that seem to actually be a thing of some sort.

Cristina: Like a conscience thing.

Jack: Something thinking. Yeah, something responsive. Something maybe dangerous, maybe not.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But that can respond. That seems to be moving with intention as opposed to a replay of a moment.

Cristina: Horrifying.

Jack: So next to the word phantoms, I've put conscious. I've put thinking intentional entities that are non human and probably could be from a different realm. I'm assuming the shadow realm, because Elfame or any higher level might be unlikely.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So let's unpack some of these details. This is a little bit shorter than the echoes of which there were many. This is still pretty long, but it was just a couple shorter. So let's start by going into the pickup truck. This is probably the most known thing on this road. There's literally movies that have taken this concept and rolled with it. And it's just some menacing black pickup truck that allegedly chases drivers at night, only vanishing when there's another car coming towards them or when they are successfully in something faster. And funny enough, it faster is very exact thing, because faster is conditional. People have been in supercars running down the street, and this pickup keeps up.

Cristina: That's weird.

Jack: That's weird. But if this pickup truck isn't physically here, if this pickup truck is in a different space where whatever is there knows how to manipulate the sort of distortion to cover ground faster, then it would look like you have this sort of ghost truck following you at an impossibly fast speed. But maybe on their side, it's normal speed, but they know how to move in such a way that over here we move fast.

Cristina: How do we know this isn't an echo? What makes it different?

Jack: Because it does interact with people. This is where the speed becomes very important because the vanishing and the fact that it's on the road. Very interesting here. Now it has moved around cars. Oh, it has moved around cars. It has diverted to hit cars. Somebody jumps off the road and it'll jump off the road behind them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's very, very different than something on replay. Now, what's weird about this place is that it seems to happen at exactly between four and six miles, nowhere outside that range, which means there is a particular heavy amount of distortion that somebody's abusing there, I suspect, at least.

Cristina: Yes, but not the person driving the truck. They're just driving their truck.

Jack: They're not. I think that there's just a nice little fold.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Of the two realms here. And he's just on his end, but he can clearly see because people from the shadow realm can just see us or whatever the f***. I have no idea how that works. Maybe it's the same that, like, as fear manifests, we start showing up over there more and they start showing up over here more, and so the lines start to blur.

Cristina: It could. Like, we don't have any proof of that. But why can't it be that.

Jack: Yeah, it'd be weird if it was just one way in this direction.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But then it's. Yeah, I guess it would. I guess the argument would be that it's not that they're coming over here, but the veil is thinning.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so we're sort of coming closer together in general.

Cristina: That could be it. We don't know.

Jack: Yeah, because we've always thought about it like, oh, the people from the shadow realm with fear start coming this way, but, like.

Cristina: Because it seems easier for them for it to be that way.

Jack: Yeah. But when we think about it, if they aren't actually over here, how are they seeing us? Yes, we're seeing them because they're phasing over here. But are they seeing themselves over there and themselves over here? That can't. That doesn't. Make sense.

Cristina: That doesn't make sense.

Jack: No, they're probably just seeing us start to fade in over there, and then they start to prey on us.

Cristina: Yes. Yep.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: That could be. That could be. I know there's ways in and out, but there's this other thing of just, like we're somehow in between both.

Jack: Yes. We're somehow at all times, well connected enough. And it's. It's a dial Right. You could turn it and sort of enhance how much of the entanglement is how much is crossed in that moment.

Cristina: How's that happening? But, yeah, I think that might be what's happening.

Jack: And in the case of this truck, I think that 4 to 6 mile range is a particularly dense area, which brings up an interesting point. Maybe this is a focal point of one of the major events that took.

Cristina: Place here in the future. Maybe. Question, I believe. Yeah.

Jack: Because there's. We look back and we find so little. We look. Well, we can't look forward. But the fact that, again, it's possible that a spacetime distortion from the future ruins the past, because that's how it works. It's space time.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And this distortion is huge here. But also the logic could be that it's a long, long street with no lights.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Maybe people start to panic around the same distance.

Cristina: I wonder. I wonder what it is. I wonder if we'll find a glimpse of what really happens in the future, though, through this conversation. Maybe eventually, like. Because the weird thing that happens there may even be from the shadow realm. Because we know they do experiments like we do. They do experiments here, but they also do experiments there. So what if this is just a spot where both sides were doing experiments?

Jack: Doesn't even have to be both sides doing experiments, because there's many instances just this side doing experiments, and that can mess it up. So why wouldn't it be that only on that side and cause the same thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Especially after we know that it's almost like we are in the same space, but somehow a barrier was built to divide them. There's a wall that was put in between this realm and that realm. There isn't. The word realm ceases to lose meaning when we back up far enough because, well, this is just, you know, that room. And then he put walls around that room and called it Earth Realm.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's hard for us to get out the room, but we can.

Cristina: Yeah. It is up or down.

Jack: That's how it seems to be in every direction. Yeah. Which. It's weird, but this kind of really leans into the flatter theory. Right. Of like, well, they walled us in, but they're really out there. There's more.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I mean, weirdly enough, that's kind of on the nose, but about the wrong thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But, yeah, this truck is responsive. It is responsive. It chases people. My idea is 10 miles Clinton Road, 4 to 6 miles. But what does that mean? That means if I enter from north, four miles in. If I enter from south, four miles in. It's the same distance either way. It could just be the people within. Like, as you start getting more and more. You start getting more panicking, more paranoid. And so in the middle is where people are the most freaked out. Which would make sense that enough people freaked out consistently going through at that level of panic. More and more and more about that truck.

Cristina: Also will be pushing that too.

Jack: Not even hearing about the truck, but hearing about all the other things that happen here.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then you get to this part, and maybe this guy is just some dude who lives on the other side, but in this part of it. And maybe he is a bad guy.

Cristina: Or he just wants that fear. Like, it's not really about murdering anyone. It's just like he knows he hasn't done.

Jack: Yes. That's another thing I found interesting. So the truck does show up. The truck chases people. But I made sure to mention the weirdest part about this, which is right before he does anything, he always disappears.

Cristina: Yeah. He's about to want it. And then he goes. Yeah.

Jack: He'll jump on the lane you're in from far ahead and drive straight towards you and drive straight at you and then just f****** veer off into the woods and disappear.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like he's f****** with you. He's f****** with you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Whoever that is, just f****** with you. He's not trying to kill you. That's the weirdest part. But it's so intentional. It's like he's f****** with you legitimately in an impossibly fast pickup truck that looks like a moving shadow.

Cristina: Yeah. I wonder if it's possible. It's. He was a human who ended up over there. Fascinating, because there are those cases and.

Jack: There'S hella thin places around here. Could just be slipping in and falling on the other side.

Cristina: Yeah. He just knows what he needs. He's probably was hooked on it. Adrenochrome when he was alive and, you know, died.

Jack: Which then goes back to all the. That's here. There's been cults and there's been sacrifices, and there's been a lot of.

Cristina: Yeah, a lot of adrenal chrome and stuff going on.

Jack: So anytime we find something weird, this is the thing. Right. We realize in the beginning of our journey, adrenochrome is everywhere. Everybody's doing adrenochrome and that's what's up.

Cristina: Yes. But then when those people die, it's even worse.

Jack: It's even worse because they lose their minds on the other side or they. In the Fear of knowing they're gonna lose their mind. They getting desperate to get back over here and get adrenochrome. So.

Cristina: So it could just be one of those people.

Jack: Could definitely be. And as long as he sustains the fear, he doesn't need the blood. Yeah, that could totally make sense. He has to. He has to cultivate it over and over and over. And it's like, I'm stuck over here, but I'm. I'm not gonna go crazy. I refuse. And I'm gonna just with people every day if I have to.

Cristina: Could be. It's really easy for him.

Jack: He's gonna get us fixed. He needs it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If it's a problem, people up, they. They go in and they don't realize how bad this really is. Now, the next one is children. This one is very specific. Apparitions of children playing on the roadside who vanish upon approach but can be seen waving at passersby. Oh, I thought echo when I was first looking at the mentions of this. And then I started looking deeper in, and it's like some people have these kids get excited, get up, look at them, start running towards them and disappear.

Cristina: It's hard to tell, though, between echo and not echo. It's really, really.

Jack: It is absolutely not the moment something is responsive. The fact that somebody stood there and then they started waving as opposed to. They're just waving at nothing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The echo would be doing the action regardless. It's not responding to an environment. It's not there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Anything responsive cannot be an echo by default. This is the easiest distinction to make. It's not difficult.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It will be responsive. If it's not. If you stand in front of it and you're like, hey. And it's like looking right through you and doesn't notice and walks right through you, and that's an echo. It doesn't realize you're present. But these kids see a car drive by. People see the kids play. They think ghost. The kids see the car. The kids, excited, get up and wave. What's weird about this is that they're not trying to get to the street. They're not trying to get to the street. They're just aware of the cars passing by, and so they wave.

Cristina: That's so weird.

Jack: Like, they know they can't make it.

Cristina: How many children is.

Jack: It varies.

Cristina: It varies.

Jack: But it's like they know they can't get to the street. There's an awareness of, oh, it's another car coming. How there's another weird thing from the.

Cristina: Other side that is weird. But is there they just look like normal children, too?

Jack: It's unclear. Small people.

Cristina: Small people.

Jack: Small people that appear to be children playing. Yeah, it's Clinton Road. Nothing is a specific description. It's night. Always.

Cristina: It's always night. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. It's impossible. Any clear description you want, you will not get. Yeah, this is Clinton Road at night, every time. And, like, kids that's in the woods, like, how detailed can you get?

Cristina: That is so creepy.

Jack: Yeah. But the fact that they know you're there, they'll just be minding their business. A car rolls by, somebody. Oh, kids. And then the kids and like, oh, my God, let's just keep going. But ultimately, the kids notice cars, but.

Cristina: If you stop, they would just be gone.

Jack: No, if they run towards you, there's like a barrier that they can't make it past because they vanish.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Oh, that's even scarier. Oh, my gosh. They run towards you and then just.

Jack: Yeah. So my idea would be that unlike visual thin places that we can see through and look to a different time or an echo that's just a fold repeating. I think this would be a literal. Not just thin places towards the past, but thin places towards the shadow realm. And, like, they can see through, but it's bubbles that they can't get through. Weirdly enough, same as us thousand years ago, looking at the sky and seeing a plane. And it's just because on the other side of the bubble, a plane went in front of it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So there must be in front of this playground or whatever, a thin place just at the right angle that you can see it for maybe a hundred feet or so into the other side, and they can see you back and then you can interact, but beyond a certain angle, you can't. That's what it seems to me. Because they are responsive. They look in the wave, excited to see, and then they're just not there suddenly. But only do it when there's somebody you don't arrive and they're already in the motion. They're always awesome. Kids saw me and they came and they were coming to say hi, and they just not there suddenly. Yeah, it's pretty up.

Cristina: That's. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I guess that there's children on that side. Why not?

Jack: Why wouldn't there be? They're just people. Jin are just people.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: But I think this falls into something from the shadow room. The fact that they see the cars and they get excited. They're just kids. They're not trying to f*** with people. The way that pickup is they're really genuinely just kids or seems to be to people.

Cristina: But that's. That's it.

Jack: Yeah. They seem childish. The next one gets to more personal areas for me, which is disembodied voices, whispering voices heard in the woods, often leading people to feel as though they're being watched or followed.

Cristina: This is one that they say your name. We heard we were talking about one before on the last episode about someone saying your name.

Jack: This is unrelated to anything from last episode. These are all new things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. This is just voices.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And these voices seem to be following people and it makes people feel like they're being watched. But mainly is that they're being followed because the voices are continuously behind them or next to them, around them. The voices tend to be unclear, but the voices seem like they're speaking a language. But it's also very, very off putting and very disturbing. The sort of guttural sounds that get made. It sounds like language, but like a demon is talking to people. It's the best way that people have described it. I would argue that we're hearing Jin language.

Cristina: Okay. Like shadow realm.

Jack: Yeah. And like it just sounds up to us because we've never discussed what it would sound like to speak in a place that's not physical. You don't have. You don't have vocal cords or anything.

Cristina: But they got. I would assume they have some kind of language because we do hear about people who do go over there and communicate with them.

Jack: And here's another thing. If I don't understand. I was thinking about this and just because I said this, it made me think about it again. I don't understand how it is that all the old text we find describes the shadow realm as a non physical place. But physical beings can so easily traverse. But also adrenochrome makes you traverse. I don't understand that problem. Because you have to stop being physical to get there with adrenochrome. But you can. Like the judge just walked in.

Cristina: Well, we don't know his life. What if he had Jesse? He had adrenal crown before.

Jack: How do you get back out? How does anybody go in and out? How do you get your body into a non physical place and then walk out still physical. Your body doesn't just dissolve and disappear and you can't ever come back. That doesn't make sense. There's some interpretation that's wrong there. Because that is a conflict of description is contradicting.

Cristina: It's a paradox.

Jack: You can't both be physical on the other side and not be physical on the other side. On the flip side, we do discuss ourselves as physical and non physical. There is a soul version of me that's controlling my body and then there's the body that the soul is controlling. There's the physical and the metaphysical simultaneously. But then that means that all the descriptions they have of the other side are f****** stupid because it's just this. But over there. Well, it's a non physical place. Your souls and stuff. It's like. You mean like we have over here?

Cristina: But is our body going in there? Our body's falling asleep and then we go in there. Like how does that.

Jack: I don't know. How would the Judge enter on earth realm on this side, take a shortcut in there and then pop out somewhere else? His body then just flatline over here and stay there unconscious, and then teleport to the other side of Earth?

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: Do you see the problem? There are active contradictions. And how this is described. There's something we don't understand necessarily because it's described as such a physical place. And you need adrenochrome to have a certain state. But also, let's think about adrenochrome. It's a physical thing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Why would it take you somewhere non physical?

Cristina: It has to be just physical in a different way. It's not non physical. It's just.

Jack: Yeah, there's something we're not grasping about it.

Cristina: Yeah, but you need. You need it still to get there and somehow.

Jack: Yes, yes. Even with a gate, you cannot enter the shadow realm unless you've had adrenochrome. We thought adrenochrome meant only after you die. But then later we find out some people can actually just walk in every time except the Judge. That we don't know for a fact. But every other time required adrenochrome. So it's a physical place that requires that no matter what, something about the adrenochrome allows your body to adapt to the conditions of the shadow realm. I don't think it's not a physical place. I think they were focusing on the descriptions of what adrenochrome is doing in order to describe what the place is. Yeah, I think that's the reality of the matter. I don't think it's not a physical place. I think it's a different realm. Obviously it's a different space that requires some alteration physically that is different than what we consider normal on the side. And so in their attempt to describe that, it sounds like you're talking about something non physical.

Cristina: But I don't think you actually. You don't need adrenochrome because necromancers don't. They just need a state of mind. They. They can do it. Yes, they can. Just.

Jack: But there's also heavy understanding. And they have stones that are made of the same thing.

Cristina: They have the stones to do it.

Jack: They have the stones to do it. And it's made of the same thing that adrenochrome is. It's just not in their body. Now this is an interesting point you bring because Adrian, necromancers don't need to consume it yet their body can still exist in the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now let's take a step back because we don't have an instance of a necromancer in the Shadow Realm that we've ever read. We just know it says they can. But the only time we have them actually traversing instead of giving somebody the way to is through Elfhame. And we don't even know if they physically stand in Elfame as opposed to use Elfame to cut through.

Cristina: That's exactly what it seems like.

Jack: Yeah. Which means they're not entering the Shadow Realm either.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Because we've never had a single discussion that says they entered the Shadow Realm. They just know how to get there. Which presumably means they know how to navigate the Shadow Realm even if they don't enter the Shadow Realm as a shortcut. Another shortcut. They can get anywhere, anytime, however they want.

Cristina: Yeah. That's so weird though. What is that? What?

Jack: Unless Elfame and the Shadow Realm are physical, which seems to be the case too. I don't know. It's so many contradictions there. Yes, but maybe if it. If it's not a different layer and it all is seamless, just with barriers like flat earth. A circle within a circle within a circle. If that's the case, then a necromancer literally enters the Shadow Realm. And a necromancer literally enters all fame.

Cristina: But as far as we know, that doesn't happen. Really?

Jack: We don't have a mention of either. Yeah, I've never seen a mention of either of those scenarios happening.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we don't even have Santa Claus entering the Shadow Room.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Nothing.

Cristina: Jesus. Entering the Shadow Realm after he died. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's.

Jack: The rules feel consistent. There is consistency. He didn't enter. He exited. He died. To get there.

Cristina: He died. He went to their prison, kidnapped a bunch of them, got some stones.

Jack: People over here thought it was part of their plan. To get rid of Jesus. Little did they know, Jesus planned every part of it. He needed to get over there.

Cristina: Yes, Very weird.

Jack: But then the transition state, I think is important, which then brings up a different problem. Did Hermes have to die? Because one very important thing we have to remember about necromancers is what are they most known for? Relating to the dead. The dead and death.

Cristina: That is interesting.

Jack: That is very interesting.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Jesus is an example of somebody who didn't touch the other side until he died.

Cristina: So do they have to die?

Jack: Do they all have to?

Cristina: I think so, because Santa Claus, obviously that happened to him. That's why we have this Nicholas, who's so different from Sam. There was some metamorphosis, something that happened there, obviously.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: I don't know about Patrick.

Jack: I don't. I don't know about that. But he's also loosely the bottom tier of this.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Meanwhile, Merlin has several stories of his end.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah, yeah, this is making sense. Yeah.

Jack: So all necromancers must. Or at least it seems to be, death is part of the process.

Cristina: I think so. I think so.

Jack: Mm.

Cristina: It makes sense.

Jack: Which means Hermes probably consumed adrenochrome, but in a scientific correct way that keeps him in control just so he can cross over to the other side.

Cristina: Actually, yeah, I think that's right. I think they had to die.

Jack: I think he had to die. We might not have the text, but we have Jesus the only example of a necromancer entering the shadow realm and he had to die to get there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If it was so easy and it was so simple and you could just get there, why do you need to die?

Cristina: That doesn't make sense. Is the Judge.

Jack: Judge doesn't make sense. How do you get in?

Cristina: Unless he was a living dead person and just didn't know it.

Jack: Interest. So in any case, the idea is we have to find Inanna's brother and see what. We gotta really dive into him and.

Cristina: Find out what the stories they have about him does.

Jack: Can we find that the Judge has died? That's the reality of the matter. Can we find if the Judge has died?

Cristina: I think. I think we will find. Because if he has one weird story, I'm sure there's other weird stories he's involved in.

Jack: But then that brings up a really, really, really exaggeratedly interesting question that we didn't cross at any moment.

Cristina: What's that?

Jack: The Judge is the third necromancer. Fourth.

Cristina: Fourth Jesus?

Jack: No, he's like fifth Jesus, Merlin, Santa Patrick, the Judge, and Hermes number six.

Cristina: Oh, Hermes. Yeah.

Jack: Six necromancers in all of history.

Cristina: I would think so. I think so. I think we're on to something.

Jack: So. So then the question is, is the judge a necromancer?

Cristina: He might be even one of them. Like, we don't know. They all live such long lives.

Jack: I know. It's so weird, bro. It's so weird. There's some timeline distortions in this whole narrative. That's f*****. Some people go millions, some people go hundreds of thousands.

Cristina: So many different lies. We know Jesus had so many lives. Like, he wasn't just the Jesus in that place, but he was the whatever in that other place and the whatever in that other place.

Jack: Yeah, but this lives is an exaggeration because we're talking about.

Cristina: No, he was still living one life.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like not even that far apart. We're talking like he was here a couple of months. He was there a couple.

Cristina: Yes, but like that. They all seem to have that type of thing of like, I'm gonna pretend to be this person over there and I don't think.

Jack: I don't. The. The dialogue you're using, I think is incorrect. I don't think it's pretending. I think we're talking about him going to different places where people speak different languages and they're using their interpretation of what his name would be.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so he lands at a different name and they're using their words to describe him, which is why the words aren't exactly the same, but they're so similar. If we were to paint the picture, he would look the same.

Cristina: Yeah. So this guy could just be someone else that we've met before and we just don't know it.

Jack: Interesting, interesting, interesting. You believe the judge could just be one of these other guys?

Cristina: Like, who knows? Because it's so rare that it would happen. To imagine that this is just another one, it's harder to believe.

Jack: Yeah. But it's also equally hard to believe. Yeah. It's like to imagine he's another one is really hard. And to imagine he's some casual who just enters the shadow realm is even more. Yes. Now here's something that we do have to look at though, because now thinking about it, he can't be a necromancer. He can't be. At least not in a way he's aware of, because he was shocked by the entrance. He had discovered it and was like, what the f***? And then he told his sister and he was like, it's the craziest thing. And she was like, show me. And then that's how they found the kingdom on the other side. He, you know, he became homies as he went through.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So he wasn't a necromancer, at least knowingly. If he was, he maybe stumbled upon a process or something.

Cristina: Probably some story. There's other things, though, that they rarely talk about. Like the plants and the app, the fruits and, you know, things like that.

Jack: There are other ways.

Cristina: So rare. But, like, humans don't interact.

Jack: Like, really.

Cristina: Yes. Like, he might have found one of those things.

Jack: You're totally right. So the science is very likely the fruit hard. You gotta go to the shadow room to do it.

Cristina: Yeah. But, like, there are things that exists that just don't get talked about because.

Jack: Like, plants are on this side and.

Cristina: They'Re, like, heavily guarded. So if he stumbled upon it.

Jack: Not the flower. The flower wasn't. The flower is just a flower.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The flower was not heavily guarded. In fact, the mention we got of it was just somebody figured out that this could do that.

Cristina: Yeah. So, like, he could.

Jack: Maybe that's flowers in more places, but we can't tell it apart from something else. Oh, it's just a flower. But if we saw it and we knew what it was, we can consume it and without. Because we know that adrenochrome is the addictive one. But there are other things. Adrenochrome comes in three parts. It's ichor, it's ambrosia, and it's the literal liquid of nectar. Those are the three states. What is it? Ambrosia is the little organs that are adrenochrome dense. And then there is the. What is ambrosia? There is ichor, which is distilled. It's after it's been consumed. Yeah, it's the blood. I mean, they're all blood, but after it's been distilled, somebody consumed adrenochrome. And now you take the blood of a person who's consumed adrenochrome, and it sort of went through a process.

Cristina: Vampirism.

Jack: And then there is the. Not ambrosia. Nectar, which is just liquid. It's drinking the blood. It's just drinking the blood. It's Jesus's preferred form. But although Jesus is very known for both. He likes ambrosia, he likes to consume the individual, and he likes to drink their blood, too.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or at least he's discovered is the most efficient combination. It doesn't look like he did ichor, but it looks like he gave people ichor.

Cristina: Yes. He loved sharing it.

Jack: Yes. Now, interesting point. The descriptions. I didn't think about this until right now. The descriptions that we went through about ichor, ambrosia and nectar make it seem like ichor is the valuable one because people who are normal can take it and die. It's super strong. But Jesus was giving people ick. Ichor, not adrenochrome or ambrosia. He was giving himself.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To them, which is ichor. Even if it's his flesh, that would look like ambrosia. No, he had adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Even if it's his blood that you would call nectar. No, he had adrenochrome. Everything he's given you is actually ichor.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Nobody's as powerful as Jesus. The combination of ambrosia and nectar is stronger than the distilled ichor, which is both of them together. And he was giving his blood as high up on the totem pole as you can get. And still ichor was not as good. Is it because who he is, he can just do it with these two and be as powerful and like somebody having something stronger can't catch up? Or is it that there is an actual better combination to be had with ichor and. Well, I mean, with nectar and ambrosia, then there is to be had with ichor. And he knows the trick to it.

Cristina: He probably knows the trick to it.

Jack: Well, he's also a unique being. Why wouldn't it be the other? Why wouldn't it be that? Just. It doesn't matter what anybody else consumes. He's always going to be spirit.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know my point?

Cristina: We don't know what he is is very unique. Yeah.

Jack: Very special. So, yeah, just, you know, food for thought. Okay, next on the list, we have. It's weird about those disembodied voices, by the way.

Cristina: So you heard those disembodied verses.

Jack: Yeah, we heard children and we heard voices. I never saw the kids. But you remember we were hearing kids laugh.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: By the way, important detail. This just so happens to be on the road to paradise.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which is where we heard the kids.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's why I was saying that this is, like, personal.

Cristina: Yeah, that's.

Jack: This is right on the road to paradise, where this has been reported, which is where we were when we heard the kids laughing. Well, first we heard the laughter and we couldn't make it out. And then we pulled on the side where the car just stopped turning on, and then we just started hearing.

Cristina: What is the car turning up or is that something else? I will talk about in the future.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. That was a weird one. I looked when. Because of hearing the disembodied voices. It made me think about the car turning off. And then I was like, when has this happened? And there aren't mentions of this anywhere. This is just a weird thing that happened. It could have just been that our car was s*******. That was weird time. It was a weird timing. Yes, but, like, what weird timing?

Cristina: What we are timing, I don't understand.

Jack: Like, I can't explain it. But then the other thing is, let's. Let's have a quick. Maybe we're not gonna make it to the end of this. And this part alone is gonna be too. But we have to address this next point because I think I'm about to say something that's gonna make a lot of sense here. We hear the kids laugh. We hear laughter. We get on the dirt road. We pull up to the side just to scare the guys, lower the windows. We start to hear kids actually laughing. We're like, oh, f***. Like we were just f****** around, bros. F*** this. We put the windows up, trying to turn the car on. Wasn't turning on. We finally get the car on and we drive into paradise. Do you remember what happens next?

Cristina: You see a sign.

Jack: Yeah. Deaf children.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then the. The. The F is slashed and a D is put over it.

Cristina: The children.

Jack: Yeah, but that's not even the important part. What happens in paradise?

Cristina: That's all I remember.

Jack: You don't remember what happens when we drive into paradise?

Cristina: You hear more children. No.

Jack: We tried to get out of paradise and we can't.

Cristina: Oh, yes. I don't know. Okay. Yeah. I don't know.

Jack: It's like you never remember anything I needed to remember. Not once. It's horrible. But we enter paradise and then we can't get out of paradise. Paradise is where we hear children. Paradise is where we hear laughter. Paradise is where the dead children sign is. Where did we enter when we went to paradise?

Cristina: Where did you enter? Some type of loop. Some type of time thing.

Jack: What else looks like a physical place on this side and is not supposed to be because it's a jumbled mess that somebody on this side wouldn't be able to navigate.

Cristina: I know I should know. I don't know.

Jack: I don't understand. What happens in your mind? Obviously the shadow realm, girl. It's the only thing that looks like a physical. I'm gonna just stop trying to get you guessing. It doesn't work ever. I just got to Tell you, showing you doesn't work. The shadow realm, like everything, its description is literally a physical earth place that looks like a jumbled mess of an example of a physical earth place. I don't know. I got to explain this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That is what it is. And we enter, we see distortions, we hear distortions and turning. Or we drove straight. We turn around and we're trying to drive straight out and the exit's gone weird. That sounds like the shadow realm. Now how the f*** would we have entered? Second, it looked absolutely normal to us. So could it have been?

Cristina: It could just be the whole veil example thing of like you're just. You're seeing it, but you're not actually in it. Like they're seeing you and you're. They're not actually there.

Jack: Then the straight line would have gotten us out.

Cristina: There must have been something messing with you as well. Like an actual thing.

Jack: Right. And how is it gonna change the shadow realm structure or our. How is it gonna change the physical space we're in?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: There's a huge issue right there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We go in, yeah, like three blocks in, do a 180, no turns, drive the same path we got there through. See? None of the same s***. And the f****** dirt road's gone.

Cristina: I don't know. Some of them have abilities. Maybe it was messing with you guys.

Jack: And we take hella turns through paradise. When we took no turns, we take mad turns in paradise trying to find our way out. And somewhere in a different corner entirely, we find a dirt road again. And then we find our way out after like 20 minutes of doing circles when we had only gone in a straight line, turned around, tried to do the same straight line back and just dead end, no road. So what was that? I've thought about that following some of this research, and I'm like, man, this.

Cristina: Isn'T match up with anything.

Jack: Doesn't match with anything. This is easily the shadow realm. Minus the fact that it couldn't be. Because how the f***. Unless these descriptions of the shadow realm, we are taking them too literally. And it's not a non physical place. We did see a jumbled mess of something we had just looked at that looked normal.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We saw the same place jumbled up.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Nothing else changed except we couldn't navigate it. And it seemed bigger after we'd gone in.

Cristina: Soon as you got scared, as soon as the car. As the kid, children and the car.

Jack: As soon as it all. Yes, we fell into something. Right.

Cristina: Fear happened. This really overwhelming fear probably happened at that moment for all.

Jack: From all four of us at the same time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then we panic, go on the road, and then we slip in. But then the argument would be, you don't need adrenochrome and Jesus did. There's something wrong here. There's a contradiction still going on.

Cristina: Because I don't think you're really in it, though.

Jack: I don't think so either. So then. Okay, so then what you're talking about might be the logical path that maybe even the judge didn't.

Cristina: Yeah, he saw. He saw a glimpse of it, or they.

Jack: He was literally interacting with people on the other side. And he met Ixchel, which then came out and went to Maya. They were literally something is. But we're onto something now because if we. You're totally right. All of this followed the fear. Let's recount the story. We drive in first. We see the guy in the robe, a black guy essentially walking around in a KKK robe. Weirdest sight ever. Okay. With a machete or a shotgun. Nobody was clear on which one he was holding. Everybody had a different story. We get far enough, we see the deer cut open. Okay. Panic, you know, Everybody like, what the f***? Yeah, we get far enough, we hear the laughter. We try to scare the guys, end up scaring ourselves because we hear the kids. We take the dirt road and suddenly the s*** spins out of control and we're nowhere. But we're everywhere. Because the one road we took disappeared and now we're just in this mess and we can't get out. And then the road showed up somewhere else entirely. Maybe you're right and we're just seeing it because again, it doesn't make sense that they could see us and we can't see them. I think it's a notch where the more you turn it, the more both sides are close together. Not one side to this side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we're slowly more and more seeing.

Cristina: But you're not physically there. I'm not physically there seeing.

Jack: Now, in this instance, there is an interesting. This contradiction could then be resolved because when they're talking about the shadow or on being a non physical place, they are talking about getting there non physically through fear, through these other means that allows you to interact with that space without entering that space.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, okay. Yes.

Jack: And then there's a way to actually enter and be in the space which requires totally different means. In this scenario now we can apply the things that we didn't mention about necromancers. What are they really good at? Even if they don't cross. They're good at bridging communication. They're good at bringing things from that side over. They're good at interacting with things on that side, even if they don't go in. So they know how to turn the dial that allows them to f*** with things on that side without being on that side, which I would argue is stronger, more overpowered than having to be on that side. Additionally, if you have a Philosopher's Stone that has the ability to violate those rules, could you, in theory, use the Philosopher's Stone to make a sort of external shell that would allow you to enter without falling apart? Hence their ability to traverse and not be simultaneously. Like a suit made of. Think of Green Lantern puts the ring on and a green energy goes over his body. And now he can manipulate this energy. What if what's happening that's happens with the Philosopher's Stone? And I could use the Philosopher's Stone, create this energy around me, and just slip into the Shadow Realm without needing adrenochrome. Without the energy, I would just die over there or pop up over here, but I can literally be there without consuming adrenochrome. Now, Jesus didn't have Philosopher's stones. He went to acquire them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now we have a reason why he needs to die.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Maybe he didn't know how to make it. As overpowered as he is, he went to acquire them. Different.

Cristina: That's so weird that he didn't know how to. Because he knew how to make the Gates. The person who taught him how to make the Gates would know how to make it. Make a philosopher stone. Yeah, well, maybe Jesus wasn't into having to mass murder people.

Jack: Yeah. And he knew these things already exist. Let them kill me and I'll go get the stones, because I'm gonna be fine.

Cristina: Yeah. Mm. He just. He's just different.

Jack: He's just different. He. Look, he. His. Everybody who's ever talked about him said the same thing. He was preaching kindness the whole time. Regardless of what they saw him do or how they saw him do it. A lot of people were like, he did some pretty diabolical looking s***.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But attached to that, did he hurt anybody? Well, no, he did a bunch of diabolical s***. But he kind of just told us all to be kind to each other.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like fair.

Cristina: He's making an army. And his army aren't being forced to be his army. They're choosing to be his army. Whether it's from the Shadow Realm or it's us humans.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And you're just, we're on his side. They're on his side.

Jack: I mean, when your argument is be kind and stop anybody who's not, it's like, f***. I mean, yeah, bro. And look, I'll give you powers to do it. Oh, s***. You're gonna give me powers to be kind and stop anybody who's not. That's.

Cristina: The only people he wants to get rid of are the sea people, though. Like, that's clear.

Jack: And like, let's be fair as we've dug in deep into this, like, kind of. Yeah. It makes sense. Look, even if Jehovah's on the side of the people, like, you guys just ultimately only want them alive so you can keep running experiments.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You're like, don't let the civilization fall apart. We need to kill them for stones.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, so ultimately that puts us back on Lucifer side. Right? Where he's like, give them tech so they could reach us. You're gonna kill them anyways.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Let those that can do it do it.

Cristina: Except that they couldn't.

Jack: Doesn't matter if they're gonna be massacred anyways. To make a stone. Give somebody a chance.

Cristina: Yeah, that's true. Okay.

Jack: This is all right, dude. I understand why the. The Lucifer, Jehovah problem is huge. Because it's, like, flopping back and forth.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: One of these guys is somehow right, or it's so nuanced that they're both right and wrong.

Cristina: Yes. I think that's more the most truthful.

Jack: Because in Jehovah's eyes, they're gonna die anyways, bro. I'm like, let's give them purpose. Let's let them their lives be used to improve the world. While Lucifer's argument is give them the choice. Let them choose what happens if it collapses. It was their choice, not yours.

Cristina: Yes. It's pretty good.

Jack: Like, f***, give them purpose. They're ignorant. Both of them are on point. Give them purpose. They are ignorant and they're gonna self destruct. Don't let them die meaninglessly. You give them this technology. They can't handle it. They will die meaninglessly and haven't gotten nothing. Which we see many relics from civilizations that are kind of Lucifer's fault. But he gave them a chance to make their choice. Jehovah is all about taking that choice.

Cristina: Away because he thinks that's safer.

Jack: He thinks it's better and more noble. Use them for something that they would be proud of. If they looked back. If they looked back a thousand years and thought, oh, I died in this moment, but all of human history improved because of my sacrifice. They would. His logic at least is they'd be happy.

Cristina: And what is Jesus point of view?

Jack: F*** both of them. Both of them. Don't give people technology so that they blow up and kill themselves and don't sacrifice people. Leave them alone.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which, like, okay, when? That's the third argument. Kind of f*** those two other guys. Yeah, that's legit. We can move slowly. It's fine. We don't need to f****** flash forward a million years instantly and then collapse because we couldn't deal with it. And we don't need some other guy sacrificing us to accomplish the same f****** thing. Yes, maybe f*** both of them and just let people do what they're gonna do if we kill ourselves.

Cristina: At least it was us.

Jack: At least it was us. No interference.

Cristina: Yeah, okay.

Jack: In that argument. Yeah. Jesus.

Cristina: Oh, all right.

Jack: It's a lot of sides and, like, nobody's right or wrong until you put Jesus in the mix. And I was like, well, that m************ are wrong.

Cristina: Yeah, well, yeah, he's pro human, so.

Jack: He'S pro human regardless. Even if the other two are technically pro human. It's a lot like leftists trying to decrease criminal sentences for people who. A black judge gave them a really large sentence and then they go to prison for this really long time. But leftists are like, that's unjust and blah, blah, blah. And then they go ahead and force a different judge to decrease the sentence and the guy gets out of prison and he gets murdered a week later. And then we truly go and talk to the people who understand, not just feel like they're gonna help. Oh, I want to help. I want to help. But you're ignorant. You're stupid. You don't know the situation. We go and talk to somebody on ground level. Well, the judge is families of the gang that's in the prison, and that guy is a neighborhood friend. He increased the sentence so that he goes to that prison specifically and is protected there. He was gonna stay alive in prison. You guys got him out and he got killed. That's Jehovah and Lucifer being helpful leftists.

Cristina: Jehovah and Lucifer or Peter trying to save animals but then killing dogs.

Jack: Yes. The same logic of, you're not being helpful, you're just thinking you're being helpful.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that's a very leftist ideology. So we can just throw Lucifer and Jehovah in the leftists and say, you're kind of ignorant. You think you're helping, but you're not on the ground level. Knowing what the people want.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You go to Jesus. Jesus is just asking people. Yeah. He's just like, I know why that guy went to prison on a really high sentence. He asked a judge for it. And you ignorant f**** don't know that Jesus is the guy who knows. He talks to the people. He's like, what do you guys want? Well, we just want to live our lives.

Cristina: He was forced to be with the people.

Jack: Yes. That's. That's literally Jehovah and Lucifer's fault.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: They made the problem that stopped them.

Cristina: Yes. That's really interesting.

Jack: They literally made him in a labor, and then they were like, f*** that guy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And threw him to the people.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So the people were like, well, he's one of us, and he grew up as one of them. And they treated him right until. Who f***** him? The f****** people working with the Elysians.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: The Church came after him, huh? Even more incentive. F*** that. Let's work these a******* into my plan so I can f*** him more.

Cristina: Beautiful.

Jack: LinkedIn. Yeah. Sacrifice me. Totally, man. Kill me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then he enters and goes. He took it from Lucifer, bro. Even if these two guys didn't agree, they were still eye to eye on the people. We need them for something. He just used Jehovah and his disdain for Lucifer. Got himself killed to enter, rob Lucifer, and then get back to Earth Realm knowing these two guys aren't gonna work together.

Cristina: No. Yeah, I guess.

Jack: Divide and conquer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: F****** 3D chess, bro. I mean, 4D chess.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Okay. Weird one. I didn't know this next one originated here. I was looking to see if this came from somewhere else, but this actually comes from the New England era of the United States, which is. The Headless Horseman is a New Jersey Clinton Road thing.

Cristina: Yeah, it is.

Jack: I had no f****** idea that that originated over here.

Cristina: Yeah, it did.

Jack: In fact, I would have thought that this was, like, an Eng type of ghost.

Cristina: There's a lot of ghosts that actually were from around here.

Jack: Yeah. No, we are in weird land.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We're in a really hot spot.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Weird. New Jersey is legit.

Cristina: It is it. That's why.

Jack: Yeah. No, we are in some crazy hotspot. I had no idea. I thought the Headless Horseman was significantly older and, like, by default had to be some, like, European thing. Yeah, no, that is just a Jersey thing.

Cristina: It's a Jersey thing. Yeah.

Jack: It got taken and showed up in a million places. But, no, that's. That's us. That's a Jersey thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, this is described as a humanoid that looks kind of like a shadow that doesn't seem to have a head in the way we would describe. And he's on something that we would compare to a horse, but doesn't necessarily look like a horse. This tells us a couple of things. It's a jinn of some sort. And he looks kind of human, but he wouldn't look perfectly human. That makes no sense.

Cristina: So it's a creature from somewhere else writing a creature from somewhere else.

Jack: It would be the people of the shadow realm, the gym, and whatever their horse equivalent is.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And based on everything else we know of the area. Now, there's a weird one. He doesn't f*** with people. Doesn't f*** with people. He's just not an echo. He is responsive. And here's the weird thing about this, right? People have yelled at him, and he'll stop and look like, turn his torso.

Cristina: Towards him and just gonna say, like, how.

Jack: You know, just turn and, like, wait. Like, he's just a dude. It seems like just a dude.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And he's like, okay. They, you know, people from the other side saw me. Let's, you know, let them have their moment or whatever. I'll stop here and let them roll by. Oh, they saw ghosts, whatever.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And it's like, it looks like he's not f****** with people. He's not doing it. He's just there and people see him. People have, oh, my God. The headless. And then he just, you know, he'll stop and kind of behaves like a. Like if he's a tourist attraction.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, like, yeah, they're looking at me. Let me stop. And so he's very known for just stopping. He's very known for, like, approaching. But this. These descriptions are where it gets very informative because this falls in line with all the other things we saw of the things that interact. If you look at the truck, if you look at the children, proximity makes them vanish. But in his description, it's something very different. What, he gets close and gets more translucent. Yeah. So, like, really far away. It looks like whatever particles hold him together are denser together. But the closer he gets is like. If you were shrinking and looking at atoms more and more, everything would kind of look more far apart, more far apart. If you were the size of an atom, you wouldn't see two things touching ever. There'd be no body. There's no such thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Sort of that same thing. The closer he gets, the more through him. You could see.

Cristina: What does that mean, though?

Jack: I don't know. So when he's maybe 20ft away, he's so hard to make out. But he's there, and you know he's there. It's like closer than that, you know, you can't tell he's there anymore, but he's not. And that's closest. F***. By the way, 20ft is nuts. But. So he's fully aware you're there. And, you know, he. I did it. I tried to find if maybe his voices come from him or if he waves or something, like the kids. Yeah, none of that. But he is fully aware that people come through.

Cristina: You know, just sense that he. He notices you.

Jack: He. Well, people see him, and I guess he would hear them or see them himself. Because if we assume that there's a notch and you see him as much as he sees you, then he's aware. There's one road. There's one road. Anybody who is on the other side and wants to interact with humans, they know where the humans are. They're on the road.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so it really. These descriptions. Not that anywhere says what I'm saying, that he's behaving like a tourist attraction. But if you were to tell me to describe what's happening, he's behaving like a tourist attraction. He knows all those people entertained, want to be scared or whatever. I'm not gonna scare them too much because there are things out here.

Cristina: But he does like that fear. Probably a little bit.

Jack: Maybe he does cruise by the road. Honest.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Quote horse unquote. But he doesn't mess with people and he doesn't chase people or anything. It just. Maybe he's just interested in humans. And it's like, oh, cool spot where you can see humans. You know, it's possible.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which would. It totally has to be. I'm thinking the kids. There's no park there. I think the kids just like playing close to the road because they might see humans.

Cristina: Yeah. It might still be the fear thing of like, oh, we're gonna get something out of here, even if we're not gonna try anything. But we just know just being here.

Jack: Just being here, we'll see them, we'll.

Cristina: See them and we'll get something.

Jack: I don't think it's about getting something. I think it's about. Because why they're not getting anything. You use the fear to get to this side to then get adrenochrome. They're not doing anything. They're not getting to the side to hurt People, they're just kind of chilling there. The kids are just chilling there. Yeah, the horseman's just chilling there.

Cristina: And the trucker guy.

Jack: The trucker guy's with people.

Cristina: He's.

Jack: He's looking for something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I think that guy was from this side. It's a truck. Yeah, that guy was from this side. And he just doesn't want to lose it. And he's like, I'd rather they lose it than me. But the kids don't have that. They just. Kids and they wave and, you know, hey, cool, whatever.

Cristina: And the horse, man.

Jack: The horseman is the same. He's just, you know, they're cool people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's weird, but there are peaceful ghosts here. I'm not even ghosts. They're just gin, man.

Cristina: But he's from that specific area. He's not from somewhere else in New Jersey. He's from Clinton Road.

Jack: Literally, from Clinton Road. It looks like there is on the other side, some civilization.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's possible that that civilization is based on paradise, because that's where the jumbled mess began. On the flip side. On the flip side, there have been stories of people going on a straight line. There's nothing but Clinton Road as long as you don't turn.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And somehow leaving how they came in. So it could just somehow turn on you.

Cristina: Clinton Road.

Jack: Clinton Road. People have gone in a straight line 10 miles before you exit back to lights. People have gone in one line.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And found the exit through which they came in.

Cristina: That's right.

Jack: Without ever turning. So fear could be f****** with the surroundings.

Cristina: Okay. There is something just weird, naturally, about.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Clinton Road itself.

Jack: And so because we went to a place with mad turns, even if we didn't take a turn, we multiply the fact that you can go in a straight line and exit the same entrance by the fact that there's like 30 turns in paradise. And now we have a road that could be anywhere.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Very strange. Now, this next one is very literal because people describe it as this way, which is shadow people. Everything else they have not described as shadow people. This one, they literally use the word shadow people. Dark, human like figures seen darting between the trees, often in peripheral vision, which. Yes, that's just shadow people.

Cristina: That's great.

Jack: The thing is, this is the most reported sighting of something that seems to be responsive people. Look, they scatter away. I think there's a civilization. I think that that area has. And I think, based on what we're reading right now and what you said, that maybe the experiment isn't even in the future. Maybe it was on the other side.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And it seems like there's a civilization on the other side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It could just be something that happened, you know, not even that long ago.

Cristina: It just happens over there.

Jack: Just happens over there. Could be. Doesn't have to be in the future. Could just be on the other side. It's folding everything together.

Cristina: Yes. And they just see shadow people.

Jack: Just shadow people casually running around, just living life. Okay. Pine Baron's Devil. Occasional sightings of a creature resembling the Jersey Devil in the denser parts of the forest. And that's very simply a creature from the shadow realm.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: But is it the same? They're saying it's like the other one. It's not the same as the Jersey Devil.

Jack: They're saying it's almost identical.

Cristina: It's almost identical.

Jack: It might be the same creature type and, like, be in a different area.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: No, that's the least weird thing here. I think it's just a creature. It's like seeing a wetchange or some s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, oh, my God, it's a demon. It's like. I mean, that's as close as raw. Nicka Run.

Cristina: It's just wild animal somewhere else.

Jack: Like a really wide. It's like if you see a wet shudge, that's like coming across a grizzly bear.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Get those f*** out. No. H*** no. Get the f*** out of there. That s***'ll flip your car, bro. Eyes in the darkness. This is definitely, most likely gin. Again, the glowing eyes. These are just probably. We're seeing light glares on Jinn and we just so happen to be seeing the Djinn simultaneously. My idea is described as glowing eyes watching from the woods at night.

Cristina: That's pretty creepy. But yeah. Yeah.

Jack: If it's just being observed and you're seeing through the thin veil and they're looking at you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Unseen forces which are. Again, feeling like one is being pushed or pulled. And that's. That could just easily be things coming through, walking by. And like in parts where the veil is thin but still not perfectly gone so that you can like, oh, wow, something just pushed me to the side. Oh, my God. There's something out here messing. And they're just walking by, but they don't see you. You don't see them, and you just touch and you're like, what the was that?

Cristina: I think that's. That's a good thing.

Jack: And it's actually one of the most described things happening. And it always happens on the main road. Anybody Gets out of their vehicle for any reason, they're usually like, what the.

Cristina: You didn't go out on the main road?

Jack: Yes, I didn't feel as though.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: We got out of the car. I got out of the car to look at the deer. I got out of the car to see why the car wasn't turning on. And I got out of the weeds. I just don't give a. If I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die. It is what it is.

Cristina: But you didn't see any eyes, though.

Jack: I didn't see any eyes. I saw the deer, the black guy in the KKK outfit. I saw the. I heard the children separate to the laughter. That wasn't necessarily children.

Cristina: Yeah, but you didn't see whatever.

Jack: No, I didn't see eyes, didn't see shadows or any of that stuff.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But the weird moving roads and changing turns, that's pretty strange. And the fact that all of us saw that is weird. Minus Nunez, because from Nunez point of view, it was. We were just sitting and he just saw all of us go catatonic for a moment, which is. His story is worse than all of our stories. Yes, we all experience being somewhere, but now we have to unpack this because he says we pull over and we never get. We. He never saw the dirt road. He never saw paradise. We pull over, the car doesn't turn on. And from his point of view, all of us just sat there and thought really hard about what to do for a while. From our point of view, while that was happening, how the f*** do we get out of this mess we're in? Meanwhile, he's the only quiet one with us. We're just thinking, you know, nuna doesn't fear things. He's a special kind of person. He doesn't feel fear the way we do. So, you know, he's just quiet, watching us scramble.

Cristina: I don't know. That changes everything.

Jack: That changes everything because this falls into what you were saying about the judge. Did the judges go unconscious somewhere and his. Some other thing was in the shadow realm? Yes, because he says, we were just frozen in place, thinking. We say, bro, we were lost for like 30 minutes, homie. What do you mean you saw nothing? The three of us versus the one of you, bro, this is a different argument you're having.

Cristina: But is he right?

Jack: But is he right?

Cristina: I don't know. That's. That's really good. I don't know. That's so strange. That's just so out there. I don't know.

Jack: It's f****** Weird, bro. It's really strange. I don't know what to. There's a lot of complications here.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Here is something that I believe is the veil thinning, which is melting trees that appear to melt or distort adding to the surreal landscape. I think this is just sort of the warped nature of the shadow realm being seen on this side. I think that's just areas where the notch is way turned up and we're just seeing what that side looks like.

Cristina: That's pretty cool.

Jack: My note for that was just likely trees in the shadow realm different than the wandering shadows in the forest. There are eerie shadows that move independent of sound, independent of structure, and independent of physical motion. This is strange because what they mean by independent of normal physical motion is they can go vertically and horizontally but in a walking human fashion.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like they'll just be walking and sort of like walking up into the sky suddenly.

Cristina: Because they're probably going up a building or something.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: We just can't see it.

Jack: We don't see the building. We see the shadow.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because they're the living thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we don't see the structure.

Cristina: Kind of makes sense. Yeah.

Jack: Wow.

Cristina: It's weird. It would be weird to see, but it might make sense over there.

Jack: Yes. Informed enough. It's not disturbing to us because it seems like. Yeah, there's probably a structure there that we can't interact with. And it's just going up some stairs or something.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not that crazy. Okay.

Jack: Which then goes and supports again that there's buildings here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which supports that there's a civilization in around Clinton Road. Shifting paths. Which is the problem we faced.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that is the literal story I was getting to about people going in a straight line and then exiting directly where they came straight through. That's shifting paths.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Us entering Paradise Road. Paradise Road disappearing behind us. And us just being in Paradise Town and not finding the road horrifying. Until it's suddenly just, hey, it's somewhere else apparently. Let's exit. And somehow it still took us to Clinton Road back. It's like this was. We didn't take any turns. We took a turn to get here now. And it still took us to the same place. What the f***?

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know. Yeah.

Jack: Mysterious footprints.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: Footprints that just begin and stop in the middle of a trail without a beginning point or an ending point. I think this just falls into more shadow realm stuff.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Maybe this is a spot where the notch is particularly turned up and we can start to see them literally affecting our physical space. And then they get. Get far from whatever's causing that anomaly. And then we no longer see the footprints. They kept walking on their side, didn't just disappear on their end, but the veil is thinner, is more tight elsewhere. And it's thinner in this spot.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that's my theory for that.

Cristina: I think so. It's not that crazy.

Jack: I think this next one falls a lot with the kids, which is ghostly campers which seem to be around the road. These people just hanging around the road, camping. You oftentimes even see tents. Apparitions in campers setting up tents around fires near the road. But they don't look human.

Cristina: They don't look human.

Jack: They look like shadows. Even with light present weird. And proximity. When somebody goes to see these campers, they aren't there anymore. Even with the fire burning. You get closer and the fire itself starts to dim, dim, dim until there's nothing camping. I think they're camping by the sea. I think they're being just as much as we're on this side. Oh, Clinton Road. This attraction, Horseman's Traveling. The kids are chilling there because it's entertaining and fun. People are camping by this road.

Cristina: Yes. I wonder if they see ghosts like we see echoes. Like, it's still an interesting spot to hunt for echoes or find echoes to them.

Jack: Maybe they're finding the same thing. Yeah. Distortions from their path.

Cristina: Yeah. Like they think that's as cool as we find it cool. And that's why we go there.

Jack: 100. It could totally 1000% be based on these comparisons. There are people just chilling here, trying to see the same things we're doing.

Cristina: Yeah. So, yeah. It's probably even weirder. Whatever they're seeing is probably even weirder than what we're saying.

Jack: I mean, maybe not for them. Maybe like, you know, we hear about ghosts and, oh, my God, this place is haunted. And we see an old guy pushing a wheelbarrow and it's like, all right, well, they see a wet shud, John. A loop. And it's like, to us, I would look nuts. But to them it's just like, oh, yeah, the echo of the wolf. You know, the wolf died.

Cristina: Entertaining enough for them to want to hang out in that spot, though.

Jack: Yeah. They're trying to get themselves scared.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like, oh, wow. Cool.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: It feels. It really, really just feels like they're people, bro. Like they're really gin. Even in text. Seem to just be people.

Cristina: I think so over there. Yes.

Jack: They're not bad people. There are bad people. There are some who are bad, but we got humans who are bad.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You know? Yes. There's a dude in a truck also. I would argue that guy's just a human on that side.

Cristina: Possibly.

Jack: Yeah. The truck part kind of makes that argument pretty strong.

Cristina: Yeah, I think so.

Jack: Yeah, exactly like the truck. They're not building trucks over there, bro. Come on. And then the final note on this is the floating lanterns, which again supports this again of. They're usually by the road in the woods.

Cristina: They're just hanging out.

Jack: Just hanging out, bro. They're chilling, they're seeing, they're doing what we're doing. Except they don't have cars. That's it. They're just doing what we're doing.

Cristina: Yeah, that's just them hanging out, I think. Yeah. There's weird stuff happening over there. Like over here. Yes. And so it's an attraction to them too.

Jack: Now, a random point to toss in about my personal experience with, with the guy in the robe. I thought he had a machete, not a shotgun. And what we saw was a deer open. If that deer was horrified enough. And this guy knew what he was doing. He was trying to get to the other side, wasn't he? He was by himself trying to get.

Cristina: To the other side and he just killed some s***.

Jack: And he opened it. He wasn't covered in blood. It was just opened. Yeah, this guy probably took some organs out, Ambros. Just spitballing. I don't know. But you're in the right place.

Cristina: You're in the right place for sure.

Jack: You're in the right place. If ever there was a maybe you're just trying to communicate. We know that the Vikings did that. They consumed a crap ton until they started hearing voices. And then those voices started guiding them and they turned it into a place that they could just casually walk there and interact with, quote the gods, unquote. Yes, the gods knew where to go and they knew where to go to just effortlessly interact with one another. Which, by the way, in theory, we could still do that today. We would just require killing a s*** ton of people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But in theory, we could have a perfect, in sync, one to one communication with the other side. And I think we don't need to make it. I think maybe that exists somewhere in Clinton Road already and that somebody might know it. You know where I think it is, and I think we all think it's in the same f****** place. It's in the castle.

Cristina: Okay. Are we gonna get to the Castle.

Jack: We're gonna get to that castle.

Cristina: Okay, cool.

Jack: Yeah. The next part is about three times as long as these two parts and is the one I called significant. These are the things that are obviously something to look at. Everything else we talked about in this episode and last episode. Interesting.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And for last episode. Yeah, for last episode was definitely the most important because we got things to look at. For this side, there's less to look at, although there's still some things to look at. Mainly not things here. But what this made us think of. Yes, next time, I believe 100% of that we have to look at, but we'll get to that. Anyways, as usual, if you guys have any input, any additional information or anything you could think about, feel free to contact us about it.

Cristina: Tell us.

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Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal. Thanks for listening. Bye.

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June 29, 2024

Rambling 279: Stonehenge

June 29, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Why does Stonehenge look so familiar? Who built this interesting structure? What was its ultimate purpose? The duo accidentally stumble upon Stonehenge while investigating cold spots for paranormal activity. Between familiar designs to identical functions, the similarities and purpose of this place becomes way more obvious than could have ever been anticipated.

+Episode Details

Stone Configuration
The Avenue
Legends and Folklore
Similarities to other Structures
Records, Documents and Texts

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. Hahahaha. Baffling day will be in fact.

Cristina: Haha.

Jack: Why, if I were some sort of a mime thing. Not a mime. What do you call it when you stick your hand up a doll's a** and you. He's not a mime, he's a puppeteer. Ventriloquist. First of all, I've never thought of this before, but have we in society sort of classified these two people in the same group? They're kind of like doing something, but also is like, what you're doing is impressive but unacknowledgeable.

Cristina: What?

Jack: The mime and the ventriloquist. Have we been treating them like equals? Kind of like, yeah, you're here, but like, f*** you guys. And not a direct f***** you, like cool, but like passively cool. You're not even like, inherently cool. It's just passively cool. Yeah, like, yeah, I'll stop and look at you for like a minute, for.

Cristina: A second, I don't know.

Jack: And then I'm gonna continue on my way. Regardless how impressive what you're doing might be. Outside of my point, this is a show where we ground stuff. And that doesn't mean that we take things from the ground or that we put things on the ground in the ground in a literal sense. Because in a metaphoric sense, we literally mean. In a metaphoric sense, we literally mean we grab things and put them on the ground. That's what we mean in a metaphoric sense. We mean literally, metaphorically, that we would grab something and put it on the ground so that it's like based. Okay, no, but we don't mean it literally.

Cristina: Even though you're saying literally.

Jack: No, no, no, we don't mean it literally. We mean it metaphorically, but we mean that metaphor literally. Okay, so we're literally meaning that metaphor, but we're not meaning the sentence literally. No, we're meaning the metaphor literally. Of course that we're grounding these thoughts. We're putting them on the ground anyways.

Cristina: We're starting off with like pictures.

Jack: Yes, yes, we are. You get it.

Cristina: Oh, snap.

Jack: You get it. Have you been having fun with the new mysterious? It's always more mysteries. Have you been enjoying this new format?

Cristina: Yes, I guess, because it's very Strange.

Jack: It is, but it's the fact that this keeps happening.

Cristina: It's everywhere.

Jack: Yeah. So I want you to tell me and the listener, I love this because I never put the image up. I tell them I'm always gonna put it up. But nobody puts it up. None of us put it up. Nobody puts anything up. The notes go up. Nothing goes up. Nobody puts anything up. So we're gonna describe this image. You're gonna describe this image. I know exactly what this is. I had to. Yeah, but you're gonna tell me what you're saying.

Cristina: I can't tell what's in the middle. I see. It looks like grass. It's a bunch of. It's just. It's very plain, grassy looking, with a circle.

Jack: So describe the grass. What are we talking about, grass wise?

Cristina: I'm not sure. Grass green.

Jack: Yeah. Like what? Where?

Cristina: Where? I don't know where. This is in the middle of nowhere.

Jack: How is the grass distributed?

Cristina: There's a lot of lines everywhere.

Jack: Is it plains? Is it a field? Is it a golf course? Is it a.

Cristina: It could be a golf course. I don't know. But there's a circle with two lines coming out of it. And then two lines come going over that line. But in the circle, I'm not sure what's in that circle. Is it trees? Can you tell what that's.

Jack: Yeah, I know what's in there.

Cristina: Are those trees, though?

Jack: No, I'm not answering that question yet.

Cristina: Not rocks? I don't know. And the two lines that are going out of the circle, there's something, some other type of path going through it. That. Not grass. Is it a road? It might be a road. I'm not sure.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: But everything else. The lines that are in the grass don't look like road lines. Those are, like, I don't know, biker lines. Maybe someone made it with a machine. But, like, grass is still there. So it's been a while. There, the lines.

Jack: Okay. Yes.

Cristina: And that circle is not perfect. Like, it looks like it's cut up in one side of it. But I don't know if that relates to anything. Okay. And I don't know.

Jack: All right, now give me some theories.

Cristina: What do you think this is something related to UFOs?

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because it's a circle in a field.

Jack: Interesting. So it's a field.

Cristina: Maybe, but it's very plain. So maybe it's more like a fairy thing because they like to do it in planes.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Circles and planes are fairy related.

Jack: Like what?

Cristina: Like what? Like that. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. Like what reference? What you're talking about fairies and planes.

Cristina: Yeah. Make circles, I think. And then they usually. What's in the middle of them? I don't know. It looks like trees to me.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Are we looking at it? Far away?

Jack: Say it again.

Cristina: Is this far away? Are we far away from whatever object is in the middle of that circle?

Jack: Yes, we're very far away.

Cristina: So I can only imagine that it's trees, but there's something sticking out. A bunch of something. I guess it could be rocks. It could be one of those things where people put weird rocks, like the stone hedge. But I feel like it's still fairy related, not alien related. Especially if it's. I don't know. I don't know. There's something because, like, when it's alien related, there's nothing in the circle. It's just, whoa, a circle. And then. But because there's something in the middle that makes it also feel like it's more fairy related.

Jack: I like the pattern you're spotting here. I've never thought of this before. We have discussed many alien instances. All their things are very exact lines. There's never objects in them. That is correct. We've also discussed fairies to extensive, deep, extensive details.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they always have something in the middle, and it's usually a circle. You're totally right. I like all the things you're pointing out here.

Cristina: So. Am I even close?

Jack: What do you think it is? Three guesses. It doesn't matter.

Cristina: Is that what they're called?

Jack: Or fairy trees. Okay, well, fairy trees are in the Isle of Man. Okay, go on.

Cristina: Okay. It's. So it could be a UFO circle. Anyway. Even if there's something there, like maybe things grew in there after a while. Anyway.

Jack: 100%. 100%. Like, what the h*** are we looking at? Right? They favor fields.

Cristina: And if it's just. If it's unrelated to either, then I don't know, a real nice, interesting gardening pattern.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: It's possible. I don't know why you'd want to talk about someone who did.

Jack: You are absolutely right about a lot of this.

Cristina: Stones.

Jack: Stonehenge.

Cristina: It was Stonehenge. That poor photo is Stonehenge.

Jack: That's photo Stonehenge. Think about everything you've spotted here that we are very informed in right now.

Cristina: So far, you can't even tell that there's stones.

Jack: Yes. That's not even the point. You spotted every. Everything that mattered about this. All the similarities, every f****** ounce of everything that mattered you saw in this image.

Cristina: It's very Bad image?

Jack: Very. It was important this. The distortion of this image mattered. I chose it intentionally because it was very small, and then expanding it made it very hard to see what was in the middle. So that you don't fixate on what was in the middle. I know how you work.

Cristina: That's so crazy, because you can't really tell. Yeah.

Jack: It looks like a blob of whatever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But you noticed everything else that mattered about that, right?

Cristina: Those things matter, though.

Jack: Every bit of everything you spotted mattered. And a lot of these similarities are like, But the question is, how did we get here? Right.

Cristina: It's not fairies. It's fairies. The answer.

Jack: Well, let me answer the question.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: How do we get on this road to begin with?

Cristina: With the hole in America.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Or I guess even before that. If we're starting from the beginning.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: It was that lady's house. Yeah.

Jack: We're just looking for distortions in space time.

Cristina: And you think there's a distortion here? There's stories about this place.

Jack: That's exactly what the landed me here. And that's what's throwing me off. Because then you look at it and then you're like, huh? Before I even read a story, I know who showed up here. I know what they saw, potentially just based on what I'm looking at.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yes. Give me some guesses and I guarantee you're gonna be on the nose of what the stories relate. Just looking at the shape of that. Give me one creature. Just make it an educated guess. Think about it. Don't go out of the blue based on what you're looking at. Make it one educated guess. Just one educated guess. You're going to be right. There's enough variation that fixates on this that you won't be wrong.

Cristina: I'm not sure what you mean.

Jack: One creature. One creature.

Cristina: The. Based on what you're looking at, creature and not fairies.

Jack: Not a fairy, but a creature that 100% you think could.

Cristina: Shadow Realm creature, or you're saying anything.

Jack: Anything you'd like. What comes to mind? What would show up? Whatever you want.

Cristina: Werewolves.

Jack: 100%. Yes.

Cristina: Okay. I don't know what.

Jack: So Stonehenge seems to be among the top 10 most active places that have ever existed. When I dive into what Stonehenge is, we're gonna be like, oh.

Cristina: Now more than just like what they say of like, it's a calendar in a way.

Jack: Okay, let's go straight to that. It's a calendar in a way.

Cristina: So. Yeah, that's enough of that.

Jack: Yeah. Calendar. That is the Sort of basic narrative we get. Right. That's the accepted narrative.

Cristina: You can see the passing of the seasons on certain points or something.

Jack: The light comes in between the sort of rock formations and that it works kind of like a clock, but for months at a time. And seasons. And that's it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just a clock for months and seasons. Pretty basic, Pretty simple.

Cristina: Yes. I mean, it's still kind of complicated because it's so ancient to be doing that, but. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah, a hundred percent. And that's really, really, really badass about it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But then I just gotta ask some basic questions. When you think about what it looks like, what does it look like?

Cristina: What does it look like?

Jack: What? Describe what Gates. Stonehenge.

Cristina: It looks like gates. They're gates.

Jack: Tell me the complicated nature of this. This is absurd, right? Just knowing what we know in general, why is it that we see this formation that's happening here? So now we got a close up look. Describe the current image we're hovering over. Describe what Stonehenge really looks like as we see it today.

Cristina: A bunch of stones. Two stones. Two long stones going up, one stone on top. Like a gate because there's like space in between each one. How many are there? Because there's one in the middle, one on the outside. And it looks like there could have been. There's a little bit in the middle too, but that could have just been the. The ones that were in the middle broken up. So because it looks like a lot of them are no longer there.

Jack: Here's a better angle directly from on top. And to show this is gonna be.

Cristina: A perfect circle like it was once upon a time.

Jack: Mm. Mm. Yes. Yes, it was.

Cristina: Why? Why don't they want to fix that? That's so cool.

Jack: They can't touch it. No, it's ancient.

Cristina: No, they should. They should definitely. Oh, my gosh. That's also part of it.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Because I thought they were all separate stone doors or whatever you want to call it. Man, I wish we knew what the middle part would have looked like. I'm guessing it would have been similar, but it's hard to tell now because it's. It's so. It's pretty gone. Just the outside layers more together.

Jack: Pretty interesting, right?

Cristina: Yeah. Gates.

Jack: It looks like a bunch of gates put together.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So is that the case?

Cristina: Yes. No. I don't know. Yeah.

Jack: You think it's a bunch of gates stacked together.

Cristina: But who would that be for the shadow realm?

Jack: There's observations that must be made about this in the first place.

Cristina: Like where's he located?

Jack: Fair enough. Let us go all the way to the beginning and talk some rough details. Right. First again seeking space anomalies and space time disturbances. We get here and I got here because I found a bunch of weird stories which we'll get into. But it led us to Salisbury Plain in Wiltshire, England. That's where Stonehenge is. Had you asked me where this was, I would have never in a million years known. I would have thought one of these random countries or people yodel or some s***, ya know. Okay, now make a random guess at when this was built. We're gonna start where it matters.

Cristina: Where did it start? I don't know. It has to really. It's. Sure. I'm sure it's related to the sea people somehow. But like I can't pinpoint it.

Jack: Put random year on it.

Cristina: The. The year Jesus was born.

Jack: That's the year one.

Cristina: Okay. Year one.

Jack: No, way longer ago. This is the year 3000 BC. Pretty holy s*** kind of amounts of time back. Yes, let's talk details. 72 stones fill the outer circle. In the complete version, if you fill it out and you create a design that is perfect and flawless without any stones missing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: 72 stones fill the outside. It is in fact a full circle.

Cristina: Okay. Was the inside supposed to be the same though?

Jack: 15 arcs would form out of these 72 stones. That's two up one over every time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: 15 arcs will form the 16 sort of doorways. Like you said, they all look like gates. Yes, specifically like Shinto gates. They all have that same kind of flat top to very stable side entrances or whatever.

Cristina: This has to do with the Shadow Realm people. That's not my new guess, but. Okay, continue though, right?

Jack: Like there's something to it too specific going on here. Now, more importantly, and where my fixation rests, here where the most important. Again, why first? What the h***? Fifteen. I don't think those are games. Not the 15 on the outside. Right.

Cristina: What's in the middle?

Jack: In the middle there are five and those are not connected. The ones on the outside creating the sphere or not sphere, but circle.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Are all connected. They all share. Each one vertical shares two horizontal and that continues all the way around.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But in the middle, each one arc is formed of three parts directly. They don't connect. They are set into a sort of horseshoe formation.

Cristina: Okay, and you said. How many of them are there?

Jack: Five would complete the sort of primary inside part.

Cristina: And that's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. And then there's just an open space in the middle yes.

Jack: Now, do you remember what you saw in the other image I showed you? It was a circle. With what.

Cristina: The first image?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: The very first image was a circle with two lines coming out of it.

Jack: Right. Is that something those two lines, they're important. That you saw were connecting. I mean, think about what you're looking at. Here's Stonehenge in the middle. There's a giant circle surrounding Stonehenge. There's two lines shooting right out of Stonehenge. I'll shrink this. Maybe you get a better view of what's going on.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. Oh, wow. Stones. There's more gays.

Jack: Those two lines are engraved in the ground and those two lines connect directly to the river.

Cristina: What's for.

Jack: That's not the important part. It's not even that they line up and did they connect to the river. It's what they line up with. What they line up with the summer and winter solstices.

Cristina: Yeah. That's why people watch that when it happens. People just live stream.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Watch it.

Jack: Now let's think about this real quick because you know of something else that fits both the suits we're talking about right now?

Cristina: That's when the spirits are easily come out. Right. Is that it? I don't know. Close like.

Jack: Yes, close like. Do you remember something familiar directly connected the two solstices with two of them? Yes. I can give you the reminder if you need it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But if you can remember.

Cristina: It's not that what I said. No, it's relating to the two solstice. I'm not sure.

Jack: Okay, so if you remember, a long time ago, we were talking about El Castillo created by the earth gods, which is essentially a temple where the very entry of the temple is lined up with the autumn.

Cristina: But that was also because we thought it was a gate.

Jack: It was a gate. It was a gate to the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: And to Mount Cuff.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Think about the shape you saw and the fact that this one we're looking at is not lined up to autumn and spring, but rather to summer and winter. And it looks like a what?

Cristina: A pyramid?

Jack: Like a pyramid.

Cristina: Oh, I thought you were talking about the other one. Oh, that. What does that look like?

Jack: Yes, the one we're talking about right now. The giant circle surrounding Stonehenge is very different than the sort of pyramid requirements to reach the Shadow Realm. Pyramids seem to reach the Shadow Realm. We see mountains, we see pyramids. The Shadow Realm. But circles seem to be associated with what?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: You were just talking about it. What the h*** do you mean fairies?

Cristina: Fairies. Okay.

Jack: Circles and fairies. I don't know why, but the geometry says circles and fairies and pyramids.

Cristina: In the shadow realm, pyramids and the.

Jack: Shadow pyramids always either connect to the shadow room or teleportation. Okay, we don't have pyramids leading us to the fairies. Okay, but circles always have the portals that take us to the fairies.

Cristina: Mm. But it doesn't take us to the fairies.

Jack: It takes the fairies to us. Yes, but it's a way. It's a doorway.

Cristina: Yes, but only for them.

Jack: Point is that we see fairies connected with circles and we see djinn connected with pyramids and diamonds and triangles and those kinds of shapes. Okay, so it's just a random pattern. I've been noticing, tossing that in there.

Cristina: Okay, but what about the circles we were seeing. Seeing in that farm?

Jack: Which farm?

Cristina: The farm with the circles that were moving around.

Jack: Yes, that's then when the question comes into play. Right.

Cristina: Because that had nothing to do with berries.

Jack: Well, we don't know that. Think about the fact that we saw both a square in the ground.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which, when you funnel it becomes a pyramid and a circle. Both of them were at that ranch.

Cristina: That's very strange.

Jack: Yes. It wasn't one. It was both. A circle in a triangle.

Cristina: You think, together.

Jack: The same kind of sort of indentation in the ground.

Cristina: But it's different time periods. So it wasn't like they were hanging out at the same time together or anything.

Jack: It's just.

Cristina: It's the random.

Jack: It's the best spot to do it because of the activity there.

Cristina: Yeah, but this is. This is probably 100 fairy release.

Jack: This is 100 fairy.

Cristina: Okay, now or not 100.

Jack: I wouldn't say 100 fairy.

Cristina: Because other things pop up.

Jack: Everything pops up.

Cristina: Everything.

Jack: It's.

Cristina: It's a hot spot. Like the other things. The other locations.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: We've been talking about.

Jack: Yes, but what you gotta question is then why are there so many similarities? Right. We have the lineup with the solstices, but the opposite too. Instead of autumn and spring, it's winter and summer. So the deviation, immediately something changes. Yeah, because now we're not sharing the same solstices, but we're also not sharing where we're going. Something about that alignment connects directly to either the shadow realm or the fairy Elfame. Fascinating. Just a bit of information we've uncovered.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Some sort of something means that spring and autumn, Shadow, summer and winter. Elfame. I don't know how. No, I don't know what. How this connects. But that seems to be the case.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: For whatever reason, very random observation. But throwing it out there, something we know now, maybe it'll connect in the future.

Cristina: Yeah, in the future.

Jack: You know, just saying it out loud. Maybe somebody tells us something. The message like, hey, what about the. What the.

Cristina: And then it's like, oh, how did we not notice?

Jack: How do we not notice? So something about lining up does matter.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And you have to line up with the sun, the way the sun is tossing energy in your way. And how you're using the energy creates some sort of a riff.

Cristina: Yes, but the sun is just very powerful thing that everyone's figured out how to use. Besides us.

Jack: Besides us.

Cristina: I mean, we're figuring it out, but, like, we're not. Like, compared to the Egyptians in the ancient time with their pyramids, like, come on.

Jack: Yeah. No, we're definitely kind of whack. But maybe they took this long.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We don't know. Like, it's. We don't know at what point they were at what. And, like, also, all of them got cheated. They got extra. Not cheated. But they got to cheat.

Cristina: They got to cheat.

Jack: Yeah, we can't compete with that. They got.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They themselves are like, oh, yeah, they. Something helped us. Yeah, like, come on, bro. What's helping us? But then again, everybody feel like, oh, we're taking technology from the aliens.

Cristina: Yes, we are cheating too.

Jack: Then we suck.

Cristina: Then we thought, yeah, if everyone cheated.

Jack: Guys, look, let's say we're not cheating and we're doing it all on our own. Let's just. Let's take that credit. Because we have to say we're cheating. Yeah, if we gotta say we're cheating, we're bad about cheating. Come on, man. Come on, man. If we're just bad, then we're not bad. We're amazing. We're doing it on our own.

Cristina: We are really good. Because it's not us. It's these people who are good at hiding it. Like, we know there's the technology that people have that are teleportation. We know that's there. We have. We don't have it. But there's humans that do have it.

Jack: That we came up with.

Cristina: Those humans came, like, in the farm. They figured it out in the farm. Yeah, Scientists. They're humans who can do it.

Jack: Yeah. Without the question is without alien help.

Cristina: Well, with alien help by, like, they were investigating the weirdness, and that helped them.

Jack: Yeah, fair enough. That's usually how it goes. Right? It's science.

Cristina: And now they can live in space and we have no idea about it because we're not one of them.

Jack: That's f****** nuts. Right? The fact that they. Oh man. It's so nut. But this is kind of the same s***. Right? This is just way up there.

Cristina: Tech. Yes.

Jack: And then here's the thing. Here's the f****** thing. That's craziest. We've heard a thousand times that technology sufficiently enough advanced just seems like magic.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: God. Could that not be more true the more you dig deep. This just looks like lines in the freaking. But think about everything. This is a transmutation circle of sorts. That's all it is. It's channeling energy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that energy is lined up with the solstices. We've seen this before. El Castillo has the stairs completely lined up with the doorway in a slightly variation. Open so that it's tighter towards the door, more open towards the base. And then the walkway itself continues that expansion. Then has a little bubble and then spreads out. So it is self is in the form of a transmutation. The field that they designed around it. Transmutation.

Cristina: And the steps are weird too, aren't they? Like they're really big or something.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: All of it for humans.

Jack: Yeah. The steps are abnormally large and in odd patterns. It's like everything is designed with these sort of geometric shapes in mind. All of it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But when it's a gate or you go somewhere that already has a shape. Someplace tall enough that already has a very triangular shape.

Cristina: Talk about a mountain.

Jack: A mountain. How would you compensate for the mountain if you wanted to make a fairy gate? Because now we can differentiate. We know what a shadow gate looks like. It's some sort of a Shinto fairy gate.

Cristina: I guess so. But like the one in the house. What did that one look like? If we can picture what the inside of the house looked like.

Jack: It was. There's. That's the most f***** problem. We have no idea which side she was inviting in. We assumed Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: But it could have been either or and both. Because there was no description to anything. It was an empty room. There was just a little shrine area in the corner. And the hooks. That's it. Nothing more. No description. I have no idea what she could have been doing. But the house itself was a giant shape.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In this same case. It's the same idea. It's a bunch of structure surrounding some kind of more important center. Like the seance room. This pattern representing itself again. And it looks too obviously like a gate here though.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But now 15 doorways. I don't think they were doorways. Maybe something else, some help channeling.

Cristina: But five doorways?

Jack: At least five doors. That brings up a problem. Why five doorways?

Cristina: So, okay, you think it should just be one doorway?

Jack: It should be three. Well, it should be two, depending on where you are. Unless it's multiple doorways, the same realms. It's not like a realm doorway as much as it is like, well, that one goes to the Shadow Realm here. That one goes to Shadow over there. That one goes to Elfame. Those two go to other parts of Earth Realm, you know, because there's five and you're already in earthrealm. Do you see? Okay, so there's five destinations. You'd only have two other realms to go to. So they aren't realm portals directly. Unless they are they, you know, more than one repetition. It could just be like Mount Kaf goes here, and this is Mount Olympus and this is Athos.

Cristina: That's if it's ferry related. It has more to do with what's on the other side. Like, they're not all coming here through the same place.

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: Well, the people that are living in the ferry place, if the humans there, I guess. Humans?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: They're not in. Why are they going through one gate into here? Wouldn't they go like a bunch of different places? Like, I don't know, like if you and a friend from Korea want to take a gate to, I don't know, gta. You just. You, you do it where you're at, but you still meet in the same spot.

Jack: I understand what you mean. I understand what you mean. So she's Korea, I'm here. We both go in through our gates and we're going to like, Las Vegas.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we both just pop up in Las Vegas. But there's two different doorways. So there's the Korea doorway and there's my doorway.

Cristina: Yeah. Because I don't know what the Parry world works like, but, like, if it's.

Jack: Like that, if it's another layer, then yes. And what this is showing us is that that argument holds more water. Because why can't they just pop up? Why do you need a door? We need a door to get to you. Why do you have a you made door? You wouldn't need to make a door.

Cristina: Well, they've always needed a way in.

Jack: Which also explains the seeing of the. Because we already know that there are the fairy forts that are made by fairies, which have the grass, the trees, circles.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then one tree in the center, it's a wall. Of trees. Perfectly. Then an empty grove in the middle with one tree in the center. And all of them look identical. And then the Mad Maid fairy forts that we just craft around an empty field. And then boom, a tree shows up in the middle following the same idea.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. I don't think they need something to get.

Jack: They've always needed some sort of a path. Which means they can't just hit a button and show up.

Cristina: But whatever they. When they do make a path here, there's no way for us to use that path. Which besides the necromancers, who's figured out. But they really can't go in it either. They just.

Jack: They have another way.

Cristina: They have another way.

Jack: Yeah, but here is the thing. Think about what you just described and tell me how is that any different than a Shinto gate?

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: From over there, you can come over here. What happens if you walk in through a Shinto gate on this side?

Cristina: Go to Shadow?

Jack: Since when?

Cristina: Oh, not us.

Jack: No, Nobody. Nobody goes in through a Shinto gate and goes to the Shadow Room. It's a one way gate.

Cristina: It's a one way gate too. Yes, that's true. Okay.

Jack: They're both just one way gate. So you can only come from that side, this way. You can't go from this way, that side.

Cristina: Well, they may. They maybe can.

Jack: As far as we know, we can't go through it.

Cristina: Yes, but they could probably use those gates back.

Jack: Yeah, but I was only kind of answering to the fact that you said it looks like a one way gate.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So.

Jack: Yeah, I could totally. Yeah. I don't know if you want to argue your own point. Sure. Yeah. My point was.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If it is a one way gate, how is that any less one way than a Shadow Realm gate where they can only come in?

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: You know. Yeah. It's exactly the same idea. So there's too many similarities here to ignore. Now let's break apart some of these details. Other than the size and the fact that we got five doorways, which brings up a thousand questions. I hope it's more than one destination in the same realm. Because then I'm confused about. Then what the h*** are the other three doorways? Because, okay. Elfame and Shadow. And then what were the Norse people closer to it? And it was closer to seven. They had five or seven or nine.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: If there are two doorways that are purely different destinations and the other three are supposed to be different destinations, then. Holy. But again, it could most likely just be like Earthrealm Destination 1, Earthrealm Destination 2, and Shadow Realm Destination 1, Shadow Realm Destination 2, and Alfame. Or all elfame destinations. You know, it could just be whatever. Who knows?

Cristina: Yeah. And be impossible to know.

Jack: Yeah. The lines coming from the structure, the ones lined up with the solstice, are called the avenue.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Just giving that information if you feel it's relevant. It consists of groves and connecting lines, and they connect to the nearby river near Stonehenge. Now, where I landed here initially was looking for disturbances and things. I did find weird disturbances and things. And you dive into these reported oddities. You would find reported oddities very quickly. This is when temperatures drop suddenly in climate. You just go ahead and go into the Weather Channel, find a location just like, okay, where. Where have there been abnormal spikes that you guys have been like, huh? And then there'll be weird registrations, and you can like, oh, what year was this? Or whatever. Now, when you do that, you can find consistent spots of weird kind of activity like that. And then if you go and find. Sometimes it's nothing. 99% of the time, it's nothing. It's like, well, you're in a weird hole that you can't really tell in the map. And so wind always works this way here. And so there's an updraft that always sends all the hot air up, and then this causes all the cold air down. So it's abnormally cold here always.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's like, okay, yeah, that makes sense. But sometimes you're in a place where that shouldn't be happening. Like a giant empty field in the middle of nowhere. There should be no cold air just suddenly collecting different than the surrounding areas.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So when that does happen, maybe you.

Cristina: Look into it and also what's happening.

Jack: Yeah. And so you look into the fact that, like, holy. So this place is just a giant cold spot place, and it's already Stonehenge.

Cristina: That's pretty strange.

Jack: I got here through the cold, and then I'm like, holy. Really?

Cristina: No, we got there through the cold.

Jack: I got there through the cold. I wasn't like, oh, Stonehenge. How weird is this place? It's like, it's Stonehenge, and we're just weird people who. It was probably really easy to build, and we're just like, What a mystery. Except, d***. Okay. Like, everything was justified the deeper you dig. Yeah, fair enough. Everybody was right. It's weird. Weird. It's strange.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I was hypocrite. I'm like, everybody's an idiot and easily Impressed. And we could have probably built this easily. It was like definitely. It's not about that. We could have definitely 1000% have built it. That's not the point. It's what it looks like, where it is and why. That's where it's like, oh f***. Yeah, we could have built it. But why did we build it? Why, why did we built it? So the legends that got me here initially there was a story about the devil that bought these stones from a woman.

Cristina: The devil somewhere.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That bought these stones from a woman and he bought the stones in Ireland and he brought these stones from Ireland and he took these stones and he placed them here and he was to humiliate the woman. Salisbury Plains, by the way, is the part in England where it is Salisbury Plains in England. So he puts them there, positions him and he's like, hahaha, nobody's ever gonna know why these are here. Yeah, she's never gonna, she's gonna tell everybody. Oh, he tricks me and he put them there and nobody's ever gonna believe her. And the people who do find these are never gonna know why they're here and it's gonna be ridiculous. And hahaha. That's like a real folklore story. I don't understand sort of the premise of it, but yeah, like, the devil tricked her. It's probably some sort of like money moral story. Don't give your money to the devil because going to humiliate you.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or some like that.

Cristina: That works. Sure.

Jack: Now, dancing stones, there were some ballerinas or something. Giants. Because of the area where. And keep in mind the area we're talking about is England. So we're right next to Ireland, right next to like the northern part of Europe where we're getting like weird fringe and like we got the, the Vikings up there and crap like that. So giants. Giants.

Cristina: Do they mean giants as in giant giants?

Jack: They mean tall giants. Not as the right. Nephilim. Giants.

Cristina: Okay, just checking.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: But also Nephilim were huge too. That they could be both sizes according to some. So whatever the case might be. But giants the words.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so that these stones were actually giant ballerinas dancing that had been petrified suddenly. And so that's what it looks like. They were in the middle of choreography.

Cristina: And then something just scared them.

Jack: Something not scared them, petrified. Turn them to stone.

Cristina: Turn them to stone. Oh, okay. Was it Medusa? Okay.

Jack: Don't know.

Cristina: What a weird story.

Jack: Another story is that they were placed there by deities or something and had Healing properties, you know, basically.

Cristina: I'm sure. Sure.

Jack: That's the obvious one, right? Yeah, I see. I like. I don't like the duh. But then I came across a sentence where I was like, okay, because. Because that. To that point, I'm like, okay, maybe there's cold spots and stone change, but.

Cristina: Like, there's nothing there.

Jack: This is stupid. Yeah. Like, it's getting pretty dumb. There's nothing. And you look at these stories deeper, you dive into any of them, and it's like, you guys are crazy. There's no basis here for anything. It doesn't connect anything. It doesn't make sense. It's nonsense. It's nonsense. It's legit folklore.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Until the title of one story, I didn't even have to jump into story yet. It said the fairy Stone, which just justified so many things I already had in my mind.

Cristina: The Fairy Stone.

Jack: Yeah. I already looked at these and I'm like, I see what this is. And I'm already like, yeah, exactly. And I'm like, this circle. Huh? I see what this is. I see a gate. I see fairies, you know?

Cristina: Yeah, I see.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. It's all there. I see weird things. And then this person's like, the Fairy Stone.

Cristina: I'm like, oh, that makes sense. Yeah. Okay, but say more interesting.

Jack: So this local legend was basically that fairies built this place, and it literally. Literally. The legend is not me adding any sauce to this, that it serves as a portal to the fairy realm and other realms.

Cristina: And other realms.

Jack: Yeah. But okay, it's. It could just be multiple destinations in one room. It doesn't say each story is a different realm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So.

Cristina: Yeah, I'm thinking that's exactly what we thought, though.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah, that's crazy.

Jack: Now this 100% serves the fact that people have seen the weirdest s*** here too.

Cristina: Bigfoot, I don't know. Like what?

Jack: No, like werewolves.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: But when you see a werewolf in the middle of nowhere, you're not really seeing a werewolf. You're seeing something that kind of looks like a werewolf. You're seeing, like, a wet shudder and dingo, you know, it's the spot where you would see that, which the theory is, then something must have happened here longer ago from this point that made this the viable spot for this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It must be so long ago that it predates any of our ability to track recorded records and that we have to find, like, tracking down the Aliasians and, like, finding out about Loi Shreds. A little tiny sliver of a mention somewhere Must exist. About that, about this spot. Something must have happened here.

Cristina: It was what it is. Before the stones.

Jack: Yes, before the stones. And we're talking that you guys have a area that seems to connect to multiple points from one place. The amount of entered. There must be something. There must be a lot of some things in shred. Just a tiny sliver. But a thousand times, because enough people would have known about however much death took place to make that work. I believe that's trackable. I believe that must be incredibly trackable. We just don't have this, the context of philosophy, the sort of thought tools to be like, if I see it here, then I can apply that logic over there. But you have five portals in one location that go to different destiny. It doesn't matter how many. They could all be on Earth. You have five portals in one destination. Bare minimum. If every doorway is a portal, how many people died to make it work?

Cristina: How many people died?

Jack: Do you see why it couldn't be? I don't think it could be. I don't think they could all be doorways. And also like, what?

Cristina: No, it couldn't be.

Jack: There must be some channeling nature to them.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know how, but like.

Jack: Because they're also connected. There's something weird there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't understand the design for that.

Cristina: But it makes sense in the way that the house makes sense. Like she did so much crazy things that look like nonsense. But it made it work. We don't need to know what it is, but obviously it takes a lot of whatever.

Jack: Yes, it's random things we know about this place. It only works twice a year.

Cristina: What do you mean works?

Jack: It only works. These gates only work twice a year.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: During autumn, during summer solstice and during winter solstice. Yeah, so that's an interesting point. It's null and void, easy to keep track of if you have enemies on the other side. Only once a year do you post anybody to watch, you know, trade happens only once a year. Is this a hotspot? Which brings up an interesting point. It is suggested that it is also a trade center. It has resemblances to other trade centers from other cultures. So that it is a trade center of sorts. Now, if we had people from the Shadow Realm trading with people from Earth Realm. Oh, were we also trading with people from Elfame? Because if we're finding that they need gates and we are finding evidence here and there scarcely that maybe they are just another layer. They might be higher up than us, but they are still equal.

Cristina: I don't know. That doesn't make sense to me. I don't know. I always imagine that there's so much above.

Jack: Well, they wouldn't trade with us per se as much as like, volition. The Alicians do you see?

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know.

Jack: And then military action makes a lot of sense, which then takes into account that what we are interpreting as Firewalls. Yes, firewalls. But even within our own discussion, the firewalls are soldiers of sorts.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: And like. Well, the Alicians are a problem and they have other military. Just like in current day, for us, we have enemies and we position ourselves tactically around them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we're like, you move weird, we move weirder. So don't move weird. Look at where we are. Maybe that's really the move here when we. Because think about. We know the story very vividly. There starts to be a move, a push towards the Jesus project. And suddenly the people of Elfhame show up and the elves are like, okay, our job has begun. You know, as soon as Alexander begins his role. And we start seeing the motions from Jehovah and we start to see the parts in motion to kind of create Jesus, which is about 150 to 200 years. Alexander starts about 300 years back. That's the same time the way Hermes is starting to kick up his whatever, most important project.

Cristina: When do we see the fairies?

Jack: The fairies start about 300 years, which is the same point we get to Alexander. That's coinciding. That was the most important point of that episode. But it just so all happens to line up there.

Jack: Maybe it was. Oh, f***. They started to move weird. Mobilize the soldiers.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, the people of Elfame started to do whatever, you know, their nuclear project has begun. Okay. Let's make sure they know where we're. That we're here. So, you know, put some elves here, put some elves there, put some elves over here and they'll know. Make sure all their people are in check so that they remember who we are.

Cristina: Yes, but not us.

Jack: Not us. The people from Elfhame. Specifically, Mab. Giving directions.

Cristina: No, I'm saying, like, they're not watching over us. The humans here, we're watching over.

Jack: They're watching the people of Elfame. Yeah, the elves are watching the people of Elfhame.

Cristina: The elves are watching the people from Elfhame.

Jack: Yeah. Trying to keep them in check. Or that was a point.

Cristina: Alfame is where they go.

Jack: I mean, my bad. The Alicians.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: My Bad. The elves are watching the Alicians.

Cristina: Yeah. Yes. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: The elves were watching the Elysians. That's what I meant to say.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. Okay, that makes sense.

Jack: So their whole purpose was that they.

Cristina: Come and watch, they sing the weird.

Jack: Stuff, and then Jesus, they see that the Elysians start the ball rolling for the Jesus Christ project. That really got out of hand to begin with for everybody.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Which, like, fair. Okay, let's give Mab some credit if the image that's building is accurate. The same way that we give Jehovah credit for telling Lucifer, like, calm the f*** down. You're gonna kill them all.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That same logic is ultimately what Mabsaw. And we're gonna say that Jehovah was so cocky, he thought he was equal the same way Lucifer did.

Cristina: Oh, right. Yeah.

Jack: Jehovah's sin is the same sin that he judged Lucifer for. I know. Just as much. But, like, d***, dude. Ma' am saw it coming, bro.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: She was trying to stop it, and now here we are. Jesus is out there. You did it. Yeah, she tried.

Cristina: And the days are coming, and he's gonna come back, and. Yeah, whatever.

Jack: She knew you'd start the apocalypse, homie. Yeah, she knew. And you're like, nah, Lucifer's gonna do it. And it's like, nah. She's like, nah, you're gonna do it.

Cristina: And he did it.

Jack: Funny enough, all the evidence tells us that she somehow ended up in the creation of everything beneath her by creating Yalda, who then created everything beneath him. So, like, that's her fault. Whatever is gonna end her universe, too, is her fault.

Cristina: And.

Jack: And somebody up there was like, don't do this. This is stupid. You're gonna kill us all. And then she did anyways, and now she's trying to control it in her.

Cristina: Creature, her creations created something. Who created something.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That's gonna destroy it all.

Jack: Yeah. It's nobody's fault, but everybody's fault.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Right. This is ultimately what's happening.

Cristina: Turtles all the way down.

Jack: It turtles all the way down. It always turtles all the f****** way down. It's absurd. It's so absurd that we. It doesn't matter where we look, if you have the context to look. So I'm gonna give you the details that don't matter because the puzzle was too obvious. Seeing the shape from the outside.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We're too informed. We looked at it. We're like, I know what this is.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We both saw the same f****** thing. You didn't need s*** else.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You just saw the circle in the field. You're like fairies and you're like, the gate. That's a gate. That's only a gate. And then I tell you it's 3,000 years earlier and you're like, oh, it's just a primitive version of the same thing. That one's made of stone and this one is made of poles. It's the same f****** thing. Time changed how it looked. Yeah, that's it. That means Jesus didn't invent the gate. Point number one.

Cristina: No, he was taught about the gate, I think.

Jack: By who? Because he taught a bunch of people a bunch of random s***. You're totally right.

Cristina: That's how I know about the stones in the shadow realm, man.

Jack: He has a rat in there.

Cristina: I don't. I has to be. It has. It was too, too easy. I understand he's probably like Santa Claus that he can sense things, but d***. But like day and a half easy.

Jack: A day and a half in a jumbled mess. Get the out of here now. Dude, it's too easy. He showed up on the other side and somebody's like, follow me, I'll show you. Yes, I would love to see the movie on that. That must be the most epic movie. Jesus, right? Just pops up. He just experienced the movie begins at the most horrible moment of the crucifixion. Great scene, right? Super dark, super horrible. Maybe like five minutes of it happening. Super horror. And then he dies. And then darkness. We hear crying in the background. Whatever, you know, old Israeli music or whatever is gonna kick in. And then a heartbeat. And then. And then he just like, he starts to panic. And then he opens his eyes and. Okay, now he's. He's looking around. He's looking around. Then he just sees something. A. Something's there. He doesn't know what the f*** it is. Kind of looks like a person. Kind of looks like a silhouette. He can't make out what it is. Shadowy looking, like, what. What is this ambiguous thing? And that person Sundays, we have two days. Follow me. Best intro ever.

Cristina: I don't know if the time works the same over there either.

Jack: Exactly. Oh, my God. Maybe it's less. Maybe it's more. No, it's probably more. Who knows? You're totally right. He could have been over there for a super long time.

Cristina: Yeah, we don't know.

Jack: Crazy a** adventure.

Cristina: It's just here. It was two days.

Jack: Yeah. Oh, I never thought about that. Interesting. I like that. Yeah, because it is weird over there.

Cristina: It's weird. So we don't know. And also he Got those stones. Too easy.

Jack: Too easy. Could have been forever. Had to be.

Cristina: Right now he's working with the shadow realm creatures. Like, there has to be a leader that decided this was a good idea.

Jack: Did it Safer to work with Jesus. Yeah, I don't even know. Anyways. Anyways. Going through a bunch of crap. Weirdly enough, I do find a direct mention to this in text. Weird. So in 1136 AD, a man named Geoffrey of Monmouth claimed be very ready for the following sentence. Because this is the trippiest part. This confuses the entire plot that we've devised here because what he says is too on the nose. And then it's like, oh, s***. He specifically and literally puts into writing what? Merlin did this. He did this thousands of years ago. He constructed Stonehenge. Literally, it goes. He constructs the stonehead hundreds of years prior by transporting stones collected near and in Ireland to where they rest now. Now, there's too much accurate information going on there. There's too much accurate information with the devil story.

Cristina: And because I could have been like, fairy, like, talking crap about him.

Jack: Yes. You see the painting that they immediately made, the devil now suddenly made sense because of how they like the twist stories.

Cristina: Yeah. He could have stolen those. He stole those stones from fairies.

Jack: Now, locations tells you everything you need to know. Where did the stones come from? Ireland. And where?

Cristina: I already missed it. What did you say?

Jack: The sentence specifically said shocking. Ireland and places near Ireland.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That tells us one important, important location, which is the Isle of Man.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah. Where this fairy garden is, I guess. I don't know what to call it.

Jack: Necromancer built a portal. The power of a fairy portal. That's what we're seeing?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He built a monstrously colossal, incredibly intricate, complicated portal that works to access fairy locations. I don't know. And I don't think it could access shadow realm locations because of the rule that seems to happen naturally that we're observing where all of the shadow realm connections. But our one and only fairy realm connection doesn't have a pyramid in f****** sight.

Cristina: I don't think he has the ability to travel the fairy world because as far as we know, necromancers can travel easily. Easily. But like, they're not in the ferry. They're using it somehow to travel here. Easily.

Jack: Yes. The point, there's a way that they're moving through that space.

Cristina: Yes. So then those would be his portals to probably go into other places here.

Jack: Unless those are his portals to literally go into there while he has other ways to move through again. If this turns out to be just another layer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then what we're thinking is a satellite could literally be him literally being there.

Cristina: In the fairy world.

Jack: In the fairy world, like necromancers are actually getting there.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Because they're another layers or not some inaccessible other location. If they are just another physical layer to us at. And they know how to do that. And the story is a necromancer called Merlin, hundreds of years prior to the writing of the moment, according to the writing, built Stonehenge with stones stolen from fairies.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: This is kind of heavily on the nose. I could have guessed half of the story had you asked me, you know, like, that's how on point this is.

Cristina: Yeah. That's kind of crazy.

Jack: If you told me where I'd go find some fairy stones, I would instantaneously say somewhere near Ireland.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: It would have to be the Isle of Man or some kind of place along the coast. The end.

Cristina: Ridiculous. That's great. This is a crazy story.

Jack: This s*** is so on the nose.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So I was kind of blown away by that. And. Yeah. So look, this is another one of those scenarios where there isn't any one thing literally saying that, but all the.

Cristina: Individual parts are like, definitely that.

Jack: Like, what the f*** else could it be?

Cristina: What else could it be? I think that's it.

Jack: Yeah. It's just very old and withered and not used. Or maybe it works at this point, but people go there at the point nothing happens.

Cristina: Well, they wouldn't be able to do anything. Like it would take one of him to. To use it. Like it probably does work.

Jack: How do we know people have been there during the solstice and it does nothing.

Cristina: Why would it do something for them?

Jack: Well, it's possible this is more than just a one way gate. I don't know if it is. Maybe it is that somehow there's just. But there must be a gate that must be one way from here out to somewhere. And if you put two of those next to each other.

Cristina: But you still need to have the knowledge of necromancers.

Jack: Yeah, but so you built it and then what? You don't. You need the knowledge of a necromancer to activate it too?

Cristina: Maybe.

Jack: Fair enough. That could totally be the case. But if you look at this image, you'll notice that there's a bunch of little details that are no longer present. On top of the fact that most of the structure, the outer circle, is broken at Stonehenge.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Do you see? I believe that if this is in fact the transmutation circle. We're looking at a broken transmutation circle. The reason it doesn't work is because it can't channel the energy. It's broken.

Cristina: Okay. And they're never going to fix it because they can't.

Jack: They can't fix it. If they do, then they're ruining this relic. They would have to try to replicate the design elsewhere and see if they can get its function going, which includes all of these small little details made of something called bluestone.

Cristina: What is blue stone?

Jack: It's a kind of stone.

Cristina: Where is that from? Is that from Ireland or something nearby, like those other.

Jack: All the stones are from nearby? Yeah, they're all from like Ireland and like local areas. The whole structure was made like that. But then there's a bunch of different things. Look at north barrel, look at the south barrow. There's a station stone. Station stone. It looked like it was a multi purpose device. There are many theories on what this in fact was. It's not just a calendar. As much as some people are like, oh yeah, it's some sort of energy channeling device or it's some sort of starscope or it's some sort of astrological measurement device or something like there's many. That's the point. It looks like it is all of it. Now let's end this on a very important note. All the stones that are horizontal and all the stones that are little circular ones on the outside are lined up with stars. All of them.

Cristina: You think teleportation to space then?

Jack: Teleportation. Not just the different realms. I think there's five gates. And if one would go to like Mount Ka, and if one would go to somewhere in the shadow realm that El Castillo connected to, then you have three destinations left, Right? That's one in Earth realm, one in Shadow realm. So then you say one wherever the Egyptians went to that somehow people are still connecting to space. Yeah, that's somewhere else. And one wherever the Mayans went to underground and one wherever the Alicians went to.

Cristina: No way. Maybe, I guess. I mean, it's. It's a necromancer. They can do whatever.

Jack: Do whatever. All these, these are just random suggestions, right? They could be any. You could assign any random 5. If a necromancer built this, which is.

Cristina: The accusation, which makes a little sense. I don't know.

Jack: I think that makes the most sense.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like, then you got these five doorways. What five evened out things could we assign to those? They must go to five sort of equal places. And if it's realms, then we'd only have two, because you're already in one.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Unless there's repetition doesn't matter. And if repetition doesn't matter, we can have that many doorways, we can have every single one of those doorways could actually be one. Maybe they make total sense. You know, maybe it's like three next to each other. Like, this one goes to that part, or if that one goes to this part Earth, this one goes to that part Earth. And those four over there in a row are all the Shadow Realm. Those seven are this place. And this goes. You know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Could easily be something like that. And in the case like that, if, let's say a person from Nordic background walked really, really far, landed in this place, and was explained that. Well, this one goes to some people who live underwater. And this one goes to some people who are really good working underground. And this one goes to some people who are really good at working in the skies. Oh, and also the people from the skies work with really good energy, and the people over here work with really great genetics and the people over there. And so you start to explain this system. And slowly but surely, this Nordic person is like, those three are up, but they're different kinds of up. That's down.

Cristina: Saying that's what made their legends.

Jack: It kind of starts to paint an interesting picture. Right.

Cristina: But how many do they have? Don't they have 7?

Jack: 5? 7 or 9?

Cristina: 5, 7 or 9. Oh.

Jack: Depending on which branch of their tradition. You pull from five, seven or nine.

Cristina: But it's impossible to tell what's the original.

Jack: Yeah. And here we have five, which is one of those.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're just throwing, you know, spitballing the way we do. Love just so happens to fit many suits.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And I think it's 90% at least. Definitely. It's 100% a gate territory. That's not a question.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Where it goes very related is like 90% the question or the answer. Most likely.

Cristina: Most likely. I would say most likely.

Jack: That's about it. It doesn't seem that there's no. Is the first instance of gates and no associations. Like it's Auto Mountain or some s***.

Cristina: But related to Merlin, man.

Jack: That's a weird one.

Cristina: That's a weird one.

Jack: But also he seems kind of op.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: And this is way before whatever mess.

Cristina: He was in with author.

Jack: Yeah. This dude said, thousands of years ago, this guy made this s***. It's like, whoa, whoa, wait. How do you know Merlin that well, bro? How do you know thousands of years ago.

Cristina: Are there more Moreland stories? Because I thought author was the Merlin story.

Jack: You know what's weird? I have seen, like two or three that are allegedly taking place before. I'm like, okay, so he must be some older legend that got tangled up and turned into Merlin, right?

Cristina: Yeah, like Santa Claus.

Jack: Yeah. So if we follow that, I bet that guy's named Hermes somewhere.

Cristina: No. What if they all go back to.

Jack: Hermes where he's a student, you know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or I could trace the line back and he's like, at the Aristotle school.

Cristina: We'll find out that they're all Hermes except for the one student, which is Jesus.

Jack: Yes, that be. That would. That would make so much sense.

Cristina: I would.

Jack: That's the most possible story. It's either a bunch of necromancers that we're slowly gonna uncover. Or two.

Cristina: Or two.

Jack: Or two. The guy who made it and guy who perfected it.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, I don't know.

Jack: Anyways.

Cristina: So crazy.

Jack: This has been Stonehenge, people. This is what I found. All the shapes and weird. Interesting. I didn't focus on those stories as much. Again, there were stories. There were many ghost stories. The basic stories. If you guys want a quick brush up. There's a lot of stories about, you know, phantasms, cold spots. There are again, many werewolves. There are vampire stories that take place there. People visiting it and, like, passing out and having blank marks and blah, blah, blah. From, like, many years ago. Yeah, thousands of years. Not thousands, hundreds of years ago. Medieval times, specifically.

Cristina: Many years ago is fine.

Jack: Yeah, long ago. There is recurring voices. There are moving shadows. But all of this just fits the suit of a place with high disturbances.

Cristina: Yes. Any time disturbances, though? You never mentioned that.

Jack: No. So interesting enough, there doesn't seem to be any other than echoes of people. There doesn't seem people slipping in and out of time. People being there for a couple of minutes and it seeming longer or being there really long and assuming a couple of minutes. Or seeing things that should be out of time moving around them. Other than what we would classify as a ghost echo.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which are a plethora, every variation of every version of ghosts. And then what we would call phantasms and what we would call spirits, which are most likely just gin and creatures from the chaperone. All of those. Yes.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Time distortions. No. But based on paranormal activity in general, we have our suspected space time anomaly or disturbance, which then literally brought us to the right conclusion of something weird is going on here.

Cristina: Interesting. And then this place might relate to Merlin.

Jack: To Merlin. Of all people. It's interesting how we keep coming back to the same kind of.

Cristina: It's either him or Hermes. And if they're the same, that'd be funny.

Jack: That'd be funny. More names for the same guy. He just keeps doing it. Which would explain why Jesus did the same thing. And then it brings up an interesting point. That was loi training to be the same because there seems to be many people who took that name. Or is it just last name?

Cristina: I don't know. No, I think it's. No, I don't know. I don't know anymore. It might all be one person. I don't know. That's complicated.

Jack: Only one person has ever existed.

Cristina: It's three people. No, it's one person. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. Anyways, if you guys have any information, hit us up on our socials and tell us what you discover on your searches to better information and understanding. And you can do that on all our socials at just convopod, on TikTok, on X, on Facebook, not on YouTube, but Instagram.

Cristina: And. Yeah. Whoa. That's crazy. I mean, they were, like, doing it slowly.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: They just got tired of it.

Jack: Yeah. They slowly were like, let's not take one at a time.

Cristina: Take the whole thing. That's so wild. I took that so long. But. Okay, well, remember to subscribe, rate, and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And Word of God mouth, it's very important to tell people that we're getting to the bottom and grounding the world's most absurd and baffling ideals.

Cristina: Very baffling.

Jack: Very.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: By. Okay, Random thing we just saw and noticed and thought about right as we ended.

Cristina: How we didn't notice. We were talking about it. We were so close to it. The. What is it? The Merlin gates and Jesus's Shinto gates. We're wondering who taught Jesus all of.

Jack: Everything, especially how he gets these gates.

Cristina: How he got these gates, how did Jesus do it?

Jack: And then we see that the Shinto gates are an identical design to Merlin's gates used at Stonehenge. Just a more primitive version at stonehenge, but about 3,000 years older.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Shock. I wonder who taught Jesus.

Cristina: Huh? Huh?

Jack: Just tossing that at the end. Anyways, thanks for listening.

Cristina: Thank you. Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo, and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

June 22, 2024

Rambling 278: Skinwalker Ranch

June 22, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

What goes on at the Skinwalker Ranch? What are the stories of this place? Did the indigenous people of the region have anything to say about this place? The duo dive into the extremely active paranormal Skinwalker Ranch. A hotspot for all strange and unexplainable activity. The goal? To link the paranormal activity to high energy circumstances related to hermetic technology.

+Episode Details

Skinwalker Ranch
Paranormal Investigations
Aerospace Research
Secret Government Programs
The Sacred Ute Land
The Cursed Navajo Land
High Energy Technology

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas, and we're in a new chapter in life. Finally, we got our way out of that to some degree, right? We.

Cristina: I don't know. I feel like we went back.

Jack: No. You gotta understand that when it comes to the Elysian saga, we've entered the part of the Supernatural series. The show Supernatural. Cw guys, go watch Supernatural. It's really long. Don't watch it so long. You gotta commit to life. Watch it. It's so good, though.

Cristina: It's so good.

Jack: So good. It's like watching a Supernatural soap opera. There's a lot of brotherly drama. Oh, my emotions. Oh, you. You didn't stand by me, brother. Oh, but I'll do anything for you, brother. And like, I'll write or die, regardless of how evil you are. A lot of that going on. But soup. I don't even know what the. My point was.

Cristina: We are doing Supernatural stuff.

Jack: Oh, yeah. We're totally super. Oh, right. And we're in the part of like. So Supernatural goes through this sort of series of AR season one. They're hunting random little monsters to kind of get together with. We're getting familiar with what they do as the bigger story starts to evolve as all shows happen. But eventually enough seasons go by and everything is the big problem. So eventually going back to the first season style episodes, which will just be one episode here and one episode there, where they're just hunting small things is more exciting than the big story sometimes because you get to see what they were always doing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Except now the world is always ending. And so, like, they can't just go hunt little things.

Cristina: The world is always ending.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: First season started with the world almost ending.

Jack: They didn't know the world was ending.

Cristina: They didn't know that the gates were going to be open or something.

Jack: No, that happened at the end of, like, season four or something.

Cristina: Ah, okay.

Jack: You're talking about. They're just trying to discover the first season. One was just finding their dad. They're like, wait, dad's missing? Where's dad? And then season two was like finding details about their mom and the yellow eyed demon, you know? Oh, no. I was way into it.

Cristina: I'm.

Jack: I'm totally. Anyways, we're in that part. We. The first season. Then there's the middle part, which is a bunch of filler. No, there's a bunch of actual world ending. Everything is world ending.

Cristina: There's no more filler episodes.

Jack: Filler ended. But occasionally in there, we'd have. Which we did. Occasionally. But eventually they're gonna get. They get to a point. Right. We're realistically in the real universe, not in a show's concept. You stop the big problem and you go back to the smaller s***. It's not just immediately another world ending. Like, what the f*** shows need to do that. But on average, you stop a colossal issue, and then you wait a million years, and then some other person has to deal with the next one.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So we're in the real version of that. We're now we're done with the elisions, specifically. As far as we know, it might come up later.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then we have to jump on this road again. But as for now, Castiel and Crowley are doing their own mission. And later they're gonna be like, we got a tip. And we're gonna be like, oh, no, back to it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But until then.

Cristina: Until then, we're ghost hunting.

Jack: We're hunting anything. Why ghost hunting?

Cristina: Supernatural hunting. Ghosts are supernatural.

Jack: Alien supernatural.

Cristina: No, that's sci fi.

Jack: Fair enough. So then why are we doing supernatural hunting?

Cristina: Because you said supernatural. You mentioned supernatural, that's all.

Jack: Oh, I said supernatural.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, I mentioned supernatural, the show. Oh, no, I was comparing the format of the show. Okay, yeah, fair enough. Fair enough. I was comparing just the format of the show to what we were doing. That there's a big issue and then a bunch of tiny little things in between. And then in the real world are probably just gonna solve the big issue or get to a dead end and then go do their job again until they get a tip or something. Because they're not just gonna sit. I mean, sure, they waste probably a bit trying to dig deeper and be like, no, there must be here. But eventually, long enough with no results passes. And they're like, sam, you gotta stop being obsessed. We have to move on and do some other thing and hunt the lady who's killing these people, who is not a big monster, but still killing people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Sam's gotta be like, yeah, you know what? You're right. I can't be obsessed. But then some point of killing the ghost that's killing the people.

Cristina: You get a hint.

Jack: Yeah, it's. Oh, my God. Somehow disconnected. And the revelation happened like, what the. Your life is disconnected to everything. Yeah, of course, that's explained why it's the case or whatever later. But then watch the show you enjoy. Anyways, last week, because of essentially reaching a D, we came to an interesting series of information which connects in idea to what we were talking about, which is essentially the same concept of people running experiments and people trying to get to things. But what we discovered is that there's trackable residue of people trying to get.

Cristina: Into like, the shadow realm.

Jack: Not even just trying to get into the shot. It could be getting into the shadow realm. It could be making stones. Something causes a huge disturbance. Because making a philosopher's stone is essentially to some degree interacting with the shadow realm, then we never thought of it like that. No, but it is what is happening. Right. Because adrenochrome allows people to connect to the shadow realm. Okay, interesting. And a philosopher's stone is just adrenochrome solidified that you do not consume, so it doesn't affect the user, but it's. It's still itself made of adrenochrome. And adrenochrome itself is what connects to the shadow realm. Okay, so, interesting point. A philosopher's stone is in fact a tool to connect to the shadow realm. So it makes sense that disturbances would do so.

Cristina: It has to. It has to. That makes sense.

Jack: It's a fascinating piece of information that I didn't think about before. Anyways, last week we were investigating Sarah Lockwood.

Cristina: Her mysterious house.

Jack: In her mysterious, interesting house that seemed to be the ground zero for some sort of shadow realm investigation or some sort of philosopher's stone creation location. Although in her case, it seems specifically a portal is being built.

Cristina: Yeah, a lot of it doesn't look like she was sacrificing people. There wasn't stories of death.

Jack: No, no, no. But I'm saying that the subjects we're circling relate to because the fact that she's dealing with the shadow realm immediately connects her to the philosopher's stone. Even if she is not interacting with any of it, the philosopher's stone connects to the shadow realm. So we know if we find philosopher's stones or if we find portals, we might find these disturbances that we were talking about last week. Because both of them require so much energy.

Cristina: Yes. What exactly did she do to make a portal?

Jack: Don't know. We just know it was there. It was there and it was very minimalistic.

Cristina: Yes. And it had to do with a lot of math outside of itself.

Jack: Yes. It was a giant alchemic circle.

Cristina: Yeah, like, but I don't know, like, not even alchemic.

Jack: It was a hundred percent A. What do we call it? You know, a little drawn, whatever. I remember the name. Symbol. It's a symbol to channel energy.

Cristina: Okay. What she did with the house.

Jack: With the house. The house itself is the power source. But using no natural world energy. Well, no electrical energy. It's using and harnessing natural world energies, kinetic energy flow, those kinds of things in its design. Fascinating.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: And did it in such an intricate gradual way. And it had to be perfect. She refused to let people it up, put their ideas on the thing. No, you have to do it my way. When they didn't, she just kept it in herself. Yes, it was very important. But we believe this was to bring her family, people she loved and herself. Or at least there's two options here. Right. She either made it to come through, but it doesn't seem to be the case because they seem to be the what? A phantom. Right. We're making the distinction between ghosts and phantoms now. Ghost is purely echo. A phantom is like an echo, but it's an echo of a person present in the shadow realm. That's the distinction we're making, Right.

Cristina: Not repeating itself over and over like an echo.

Jack: It's not repeating itself over and over.

Cristina: Like, when people see her, she's doing random things. She's doing this, probably not doing like the barrel man who's just.

Jack: Yes, the barrel man is probably just the guy from the past. But this is what we have to clarify, right? There was definitely a huge energy disturbance that remains there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that's the house somehow sustaining the disturbance. And the house is literally just in our interpretation of what we know and what the situation is. She built the house so that it makes sense in the shadow realm.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So that when she goes to the shadow realm and exists there, she has a home to live in and is protected from the horrors of the shadow realm.

Cristina: It's both a gateway, but it's also. It disturbs the time by doing that. I don't know why time somehow warps around.

Jack: Well, the trick here is she was at least familiar enough with the workings of the shadow realm to construct the house for herself on this end. That would be practical over there, instead of waiting to get over there and then constructing it over there. So even if the house itself wasn't a portal, she must have been able to come in and out in order to understand how the shadow realm works. So the house was a portal in to order in the construction of the house. So she must have been going in, understanding, coming back. Okay, if I do this, and I do That I go over there, modify like this, I do this, I do that. Which means another detail. This brings us right back to what I was talking about.

Cristina: What?

Jack: There's only one way she was crossing. If she had a portal and she didn't die first.

Cristina: Adrenal prone.

Jack: Right back. We're right back at the start because how is she sure you made the portal, but it's a one way portal. Unless. What? Unless you f****** had.

Cristina: She probably was feeding off her family. But like a vampire type of way with their fear.

Jack: Yes. You think she already died and brought her? That would make way more sense. Maybe she already had died, came back with adrenochrome and find yourself obligated to start preying on her sisters in order to sustain it. But then on this side starts crafting the home. Because now she's familiar with the other side.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So it was a. I'm on damage control. And then it assists her. The intention at least would have been to have her family for generations and generations living in the house so she can continue feeding on them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Luckily it became a tourist attraction.

Cristina: Yeah. Now that's feeding it.

Jack: And it stops her from going crazy that way.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: She built a Santa Claus esque situation that will continue to feed her. So she's the reason her ghost is now her spirit. Her phantom, specifically. Her phantom is the most prominent in the house of the apparitions. There. There's many ghosts that are echoes. There are many spirits that are entities that aren't her. And then there's a phantom that isn't even there but is an echo. Or what keeps her alive is these people. It worked out ultimately, even if it was her family she was trying to prey on. Fascinating.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's so many ways to look at this one scenario. But it would. In order for this house to exist, which we didn't discuss last week. In order for a house to exist, it would have required adrenochrome. Because how does she know?

Cristina: How does she know?

Jack: How does she know how it's turning out? How did she know the parts are making sense? She couldn't. She had the sea.

Cristina: Yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay.

Jack: Or. But it doesn't look like it because it looked like it was very gradual. The narrative is very gradual. If she was a necromancer can just step through and didn't need anything, then the house also doesn't matter.

Cristina: She was having help from things. Things from the other side. Because she did have those hooks.

Jack: Yes, yes. You know, again, it's a weird portal like location.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And she had a guest room. Yeah, that was the portal.

Cristina: Yeah. So like, she could have had some help from the other side as well.

Jack: Yeah, she could have.

Cristina: I mean, she's building a house by herself. That's kind of.

Jack: Additionally one of the most prominent things heard there, which we've. I mean, one of the most prominent things seen at that house is in fact, not seen. It's heard. And it's voices.

Cristina: Voices and footsteps.

Jack: Which when. Yes, which when we put it into reference, we know two other groups of people who are hearing voices. And these were important groups of people. We know the rabbi was hearing a voice from the other side with instructions on how to build and construct something. That's exactly what the rabbi was doing.

Cristina: This with the golem.

Jack: With the golem.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And other than the rabbi, the other person who. The Viking who made the Forest of Death. Oh, and they were also getting spoken to, right? Yeah, they were getting spoken to by these creatures from somewhere. Giving them instructions on how to continue to make this place more profound.

Cristina: Yeah. So she was probably talking to something.

Jack: That was explaining to her what to do, what to do. She did say she was trying to please the spirits.

Cristina: Yes, yes. Oh, yes. Yeah. She was into seances.

Jack: Yeah. She called the room seance room.

Cristina: Okay. Yep. Okay. Okay. Yeah. She had to be talking to them.

Jack: And she built the house. Did she build the house for them or did she build the house for her? Because again, she's the most prominent. On the flip side, maybe she was just clever and duped them.

Cristina: And duped.

Jack: Yeah. They're over here thinking, oh, we got her. Meanwhile, the. According to visitors, the person who dominates is most prominent and in control of that facility is Sarah Lockwood. So whoever the these people who were taught in, at the end of the day, she ended up in charge. So the question is, was she always? And that was her goal. So even if she is getting information from the other side, she's smart enough. And this is why this lady is prominent in the background. And this is why so many other things we didn't know.

Cristina: It's a win win. Like she got a bunch benefits, but so did whatever that was helping her out.

Jack: She gets to stay and not lose her mind. After consuming adrenochrome and crossing over, they get the same benefit. Plus to sustain themselves on this side through the house.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So everybody wants. Fair enough. It's mutual gain.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Nobody lost here. Her family gets to stay sane too. The ones who die and have consumed and can cross over, they get to also live there with her Forever.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And by providing this, those creatures are also. But here's a problem again. It comes down to the fact that she seems the one in charge. Fair enough. She built it. Maybe they give it a respect. You. You fulfilled your duties to us. So we're not going to interfere. We're just going to with the humans on that side.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we're not going to f*** with you. This is your house. We're guests here. You built it. This is. Maybe that's the actual. Again. We know Jin the. Well, not just Jin anything who is thinking on the other side is still just a person. And like we do. We are a******* over here. And like we're species this and a realmist. I guess super realm is. And we're like gin and monsters and creatures. And it's like those are people, man.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Those are just people. There are creatures and monsters. But we got. We got grizzly bears. That's a real just f****** thing over here. I guess we have hippos. That's just real. And we're like oh my God. Wetchudge. You mean like an animal from over there?

Cristina: So pretty scary animal.

Jack: Yeah. Okay. 100. I agree. So was a T. Rex. And that was just some walking around.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, that's just some casual thing. Normal. It was many of it. It wasn't one T. Rex. There were millions of T. Rex. That was just real. If there was one T. Rex. Oh, Godzilla. It's a monster. It's specific. No, it was just casual. So we got to think of it. It. Okay, yeah, it might be super weird, serpentine looking building sized monster. But like if there's a billion over there, like I mean it quote monster. But it's like normal.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It is weird. It does. It is horrifying. And I'm sure it's impressionable our first time over there in the shadow realm. Yeah. Because think of the descriptions of some of these things. Colossal, Godly. Something so huge you cannot see it. It's so big you cannot see it in front of you. You're seeing a tiny little fraction of it. What the f*** does that mean?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: But it's just normal over there. So at some point I'm thinking, right, imagine if you saw something maybe 10 times bigger than the Freedom Tower while standing in front of the Freedom Tower.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But ten times in every direction. So it's not just up, but like collectively. Now how hard would it be to see this thing?

Cristina: Pretty hard.

Jack: Pretty hard. But you could see it and it's Definitely you can recognize something like that being alive. It's harder, but you can recognize something like that being alive as opposed to the Earth that you're standing on and you can't tell details on if you stand far enough. If you're in Jersey City looking at New York City, well, you can see the creature alive doing its normal day routine over there.

Cristina: It would be easier to see.

Jack: Yeah, you're far enough. Yeah, you'd have to be super far in space to see the Earth doing its same routine, but from Earth. So presumably in the shadow realm, we'd have this kind of angular. Okay, makes sense. It's crazy looking, but. Oh yeah, look at the Titans all the way over there and they're Titan City. Funny, it looks like there are slides, but if we were over there, I couldn't see them. Yeah, casual conversations they probably have. Okay, I think you're totally right. It was mutual benefit.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And yeah, I. Maybe again, they're just people. They could just be giving her the benefit of the doubt and the respect. Like you built us a. You didn't have to. We made a deal across realms. And then you paid your part for what most of your people think are douchebags and like monsters. We respect you for respecting us.

Cristina: Sure.

Jack: Easy, right? So, yeah, I think that was fascinating. And that opened an interesting door again. The fact that we have now come to the conclusion that we have, or. Which is with. With proof. Because looking at the disturbances led us to the discoveries. We now know that there are disturbance residue for the creation of philosopher stones and portals. Because they are bending space, time, or at least whatever quote thing unquote is happening. Whatever. We're bending the creator portal to a different realm.

Cristina: Yes, but that place was a hot spot before she got there. It just got worse.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Yes, yes. So there could have been a stone made there. The stone is long gone.

Jack: That's what I believe is the case. Yes. Which was what we talked about last time. Something crazy happened there and then unknown what, but something happened there and then she came to harness the existing potential.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. Okay.

Jack: So using that information that there are in fact signatures, we came to a pretty basic conclusion. We can either find more portals or more stones, even if they're not perfect people trying. It must exist throughout time because we found it. Other people. There must be more clever people who have found it and weren't good at it and f***** up and left left signatures that we can track. And as investigators, that is our job.

Cristina: That's our goal.

Jack: Okay, so let's Dive into what we're doing. I'm gonna show you some images and I just want you to tell me.

Cristina: What you're looking at. Oh, this game again. Okay.

Jack: Very, very basic. So let's unpack. Tell the listener.

Cristina: We'Re looking. We're out in the sky looking down at. I don't know, it's too far to see if those are buildings. I'm assuming there's some building.

Jack: Yeah, there's buildings.

Cristina: There's a road.

Jack: It's a satellite view.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. Because there's like circ. There's little dots, like lines across. Are they saying that's in a circle?

Jack: I don't know. Yeah, they're measuring the distance from one end to the other. The lines themselves matter less. It's sort of just telling you the perimeter that we're kind of looking at, really in the imaginary circle that it's forming. What do you see?

Cristina: I don't really see anything. Some trees, Some buildings.

Jack: Some trees. Some buildings.

Cristina: A lot of desert maybe. It's. It's really brown where the trees are not.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Very brown.

Jack: Very brown. Very dry. Yeah, this is a grassy area. It's dry grass.

Cristina: That's dry grass. Okay. It doesn't. I don't know. I really can't see anything. It's too far.

Jack: Yeah, it's very far. You can see huge trees. Look really tiny. Tiny ginormous buildings. Look very tiny.

Cristina: Yeah, I can't really see the buildings either.

Jack: You don't have to tell the details. You can't see make out what you do. Don't focus on what is hard to make out. There's a main road.

Cristina: There's a road. Yeah, I said that. I don't know.

Jack: There's nothing really. Little side streets sticking out.

Cristina: Some bushes, some trees. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, you got a little road over here. And it looks like perhaps maybe these are facilities looking a bit like a trailer park or something.

Cristina: It looks like rocks to me. I don't know.

Jack: You wouldn't be able to see rocks at this distance.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: You could barely see trees. It would have to be a building.

Cristina: Oh, it doesn't look like anything to me. It looks like boxes over here.

Jack: It looks like. Yeah, boxes are definitely not natural structures. You can assume a box is a building. There's like this box over here is huge.

Cristina: That's a huge box.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, that's a big a** building over here. It looks like there's a combination to the upper right of the image, there's a combination of a bunch of buildings and trees kind of tangled together. Maybe buildings hiding in shade. All right, let's go down to the next one.

Cristina: What are we looking at that's even worse? I think we see a giant hole. Is that a hole? Yes, very square hole. And inside that square hole is another square hole, I think. And it looks like it's right next to the building. Is that a building? I don't know.

Jack: Yes, these are buildings.

Cristina: It's hard to tell. I'm telling you what I see.

Jack: It's an infrared. Well, it's a heat. Yeah, it's. It's like infrared.

Cristina: It looks like they're buildings in a desert with a giant square. Ho.

Jack: You already know it's not a desert based on what you saw before, which. These are all the same place by the way. These are all one place.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So based on what you're looking up here with all the trees and stuff, you know this is not a desert.

Cristina: What would you describe it as?

Jack: I don't know. What do you see? What, what pattern makes sense here? Where would you see this kind of structure on Earth? Look, that Earth.

Cristina: I don't know what you mean.

Jack: Like what is the only places on Earth that look with little sections and divisions in the grass and then have a center hub with a bunch of tinier facilities at a distance? Usually in grassy savannah ish lands the country?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I mean obviously it has to be in the countryside, but anyways, what else do you see in this sort of night vision photo?

Cristina: Buildings. I'm just really curious about the hole.

Jack: Yeah, they know about the hole. Already told them.

Cristina: I know. That's all I really see. That's interesting. There's. I think there's a line there. Is that a path?

Jack: You mean a street?

Cristina: A street, yeah.

Jack: That's presumably this very same giant street. The one and only. Super strange.

Cristina: Where's that hole in that photo?

Jack: Tis the problem. Now you're starting to see the details that matter. Now you're looking. Keep looking. Now you're looking. Before you were pretending you were engaged. Now you're here. Exactly. Keep going. What else? Those are the details that matter also. Up close you can tell more of what we're looking at if you really look at the buildings, which I know you're not doing, but really look at the buildings and you know exactly where we are. Not exactly where it is, but what it is.

Cristina: I kind of don't know.

Jack: There's that little round building right there will tell you everything you need to know. Because that only exists in one Place like a farm. Yes, it's a farm. And the fact that there is a clearly obvious from top down, you could even tell the rounded top is a barn directly in front of the storage for the hay for the barn.

Cristina: First one, again, we can tell that in the first one that this is a farm.

Jack: Yeah. This is the divided land for a ranch.

Cristina: This is a ranch. This is a ranch.

Jack: All these facilities are on top of a ranch. You can see what we're looking at over there. Over here.

Cristina: Okay. Okay. Mm.

Jack: This is a farther away shot of the same location.

Cristina: It is.

Jack: Mm. This is way farther than the first one. The order of range would be this one, the first one, and then the second one.

Cristina: Where is any of this in this photo?

Jack: Right down here.

Cristina: Right down there.

Jack: Okay, go ahead and explain what you're seeing in this one to everybody.

Cristina: It looks like. Are we looking at mountains? I'm not sure. I'm not sure where I'm looking at.

Jack: This up here is the bottom of the other one you were looking at where you see the dryness over here.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. It looks very deserty, especially in that photo. It looks very deserty.

Jack: Mm.

Cristina: Are they on mountains or no mountains at all.

Jack: Just talk about what you're seeing. I'll give you information later. Just talk about what you're saying. No questions.

Cristina: I don't know what I'm looking at.

Jack: You don't need to know what you're looking at. Describe what you're seeing regardless of whether you.

Cristina: Squiggly roads. Two squiggly roads. And there's a circle on the bottom. I don't know if that's anything or that's nothing. I don't know. There's another circle up there that looks like a lake maybe.

Jack: All right, I'm gonna go my turn now describing what I'm saying.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We have a main road. Out of the main road, there are many smaller roads sticking out. It seems that every smaller road has at least some kind of little square box. This is the first image at mid range. We can see the little boxes in many different locations. We don't necessarily know what any of the boxes are initially. Upon looking at them. There seem to be two stacked next to each other. Little trailer park areas and like cul de sac formations. With the dirt roads, we got actual roads forming, leading to farmhouses and little property territories. We have faraway facilities presumably to put chickens and things of that nature. Assuming that we are looking at animal contained facilities on the photo, we were looking at the mid range one to the Bottom of the fold of the photo, which is the top of the other one is completely dry. Mountainy area that has very light dry grass is currently being built up to be used to have other animals on it. If we go farther away to the farthest image where the bottom is now the top, we'll keep referring to it in the way whether the dry side is at the bottom. Towards the top right of that image, we have a giant circular formation. Man made.

Cristina: Oh, that's a real hole. I thought that was like some weird. I don't know, I didn't think that was real. That was real. That is real.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there are two major roads going through here. There is the road that follows the entire division of the farm's grassland and the farm's mountainy dry land on the bottom of the image. And then at the top of the image, following the circle and the mountain range opposite to that, we have a sort of winding mountaintop road. This is the actual mountain on this side, not this side. You can tell based on the road having to kind of curve around. They couldn't just cut through.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This is not mountain.

Cristina: Although the road is doing about the same.

Jack: No, the road is moving the way you could drive full speed through here.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Here you'd have to slow down because you would fall off. No, it's just wrapping around the edge as fine as it could.

Cristina: Okay, okay. Little thing there. That's a river. What is that? Is that water or. No.

Jack: Where? That's a facility.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Okay. And in the closest zoom of the image we have, we're focusing on the part towards the division of the dry directly landing us closest to the farmland. We have a hole almost identical to the circular hole, much smaller but square. Instead the structure is the same. It's a smaller hole inside of a smaller hole with the same shape that the other one has. For whatever reason.

Cristina: In circle has a circle inside.

Jack: It's infinitely built in such a way that it seems to kind of collapse. And so the effect you're looking at here is it's more narrow, but it's still a square. It's not really a hole inside of a hole as much as a hole continuously getting smaller, like a funnel.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so we're seeing where the light ends down there where we can't see farther.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's what looks like another hole in there. It's really just. We can't see light beyond that point.

Cristina: I see.

Jack: These are two ridiculously deep holes.

Cristina: Okay, okay. Weird. Is that important to farming? I don't know.

Jack: How do you know? What about what I just told you is important. Wait, you said important to farming.

Cristina: Yeah, because he said it was a picture of farm.

Jack: Yeah. I have no idea if I can assure you those holes have nothing to do with farming. I wouldn't even know what you could do with that for farming. Those holes are quite a mystery.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: So what I've just shown you is called Skinwalker Ranch. Skinwalker Ranch is located in Utah and Skinwalker Ranch is considered to be one of the most haunted places in the entire planet. It has attracted several huge companies that have gone to investigate what the h*** is going on.

Cristina: Supernatural activities, all kinds of activities.

Jack: Unless we're referring to alien activity as supernatural.

Cristina: Let's do that. Yes, let's do it.

Jack: Yeah. Because I'm trying to be specific and when I said alien you were like. No, like. Okay then.

Cristina: Okay. Yes, yes, yes.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: It's better to just.

Jack: Because if anything we should say paranormal.

Cristina: Paranormal.

Jack: Because supernatural is different. Paranormal is not average to us.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's outside of our normal. Yes, but supernatural means it's outside of nature. Our nature. And it's not outside of our nature. It's just within space. If it includes aliens. And in the case of these echoes, they look to be a space time effect. All of this is science fiction, or not even science fiction, science reality, I suppose. But using the terms from science fiction, essentially. So yes, it's a hotspot for paranormal activity and it's attracted many, many big companies. And the weirdest part is nobody can answer any of the questions they come to investigate. It's legit problem.

Cristina: Okay. And it's just a hotspot for random things.

Jack: Bunch of stuff which we will get into before you start asking about what about this thing. So we will talk about what?

Cristina: I have to just start with the name. But unless you want to talk about that later.

Jack: Skinwalker Ranch.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Has nothing to do with skinwalkers, if that's what you're interested in.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Unrelated. Some stories at some point people mentioned. See, this is a good that we start there because you'd fixate and it's irrelevant. Okay, I know that. Oh, but what about the. There's no Skinwalkers. It's just a paranormal name.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: A very common paranormal name because people fear skinwalkers. Although nobody could tell you what they think a skinwalker even is.

Cristina: Okay. So you're not gonna have any stories.

Jack: There are no skinwalkers.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There's not gonna be no skinwalkers. Oh, that's not okay, yeah. In fact, anybody who is discussed skinwalkers is usually confusing some other obvious debunkable thing. We were gonna do an episode of Skinwalkers a while ago until we realized most of it are simply creatures that have the ability to do humanoid type of things, like bald monkeys and s*** like that.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: And so I was like, this is dumb. And so like all of it was kind of aiming in that direction. So I scrapped that episode years ago. But yeah, skinwalkers aren't even a thing. It's just people who really, really, really, really, really want to believe in something paranormal and have nothing to grasp, prove skinwalkers exist because it's just creatures that people are Ms. Labeling.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So, yeah, it's not that I'm sure skinwalkers have come through here, but that's not paranormal. It's been like, yeah, I'm sure there's a weird dog that's oddly shaped and makes weird noises and ate somebody's creatures. They're like, oh, it's a chupacabra. A chupacabra is a skinwalker, by the way.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It's just all that kind of. I'm like, okay, yeah, whatever.

Cristina: But that's not important.

Jack: That's not important.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The Chupacabra is the English skinwalker. I mean, it's a Mexican skinwalker, I suppose, but yeah, Skinwalker ranch. You could, for lack of a better word, Chupacabra ranch.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's not even that there's chupacabra. It's just like. Well, when there's something weird in Mexico, you say the Chupacabra did it. And then if you find out it wasn't a Chupacabra, well, whatever. But we don't know what it was, so f*** it. The Chupacabra did it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Right. Skinwalker ranch, heavily paranormal. So things to note about this place. The results of the investigations that have taken place here are kept secret for the most part.

Cristina: Lame.

Jack: Yes, by all the companies that take apart. How many facilities have been built on the property is not clearly known. This is why it's important that we saw many facilities underneath some patches of trees and that random satellite images of this place show craters the size of the whole farm at random and then don't. At random. In random locations, inconsistent. For years you'll not see anything. And sometimes you'll just go on Google Maps and there's no farm. There's just a f****** hole there. We over and over it happens. Many reports of people. Oh yeah, I was looking for that and it's not. The Google must be blocking the thing. And somebody will go and like, no, what the f***? Some people have claimed to have gone by the farm and not have seen the farm.

Cristina: Is this like that Amazon show where the farm has is just a time. A time thing happening?

Jack: I bet that show is literally based on. On this Skinwalker Ranch.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: For one reason. The f****** hole.

Cristina: Oh yes. Oh yes, for sure. Okay.

Jack: It's a hole in a ranch that disappears.

Cristina: That disappears. And random things disappear too.

Jack: Yes. And it creates a weird space time anomaly.

Cristina: Yes. Where you'll see a mountain and then it's not there because it was there. But at a different time.

Jack: Yes, exact.

Cristina: So that's pretty much what's happening here. Like even Google can't be sure. You can't even be sure by looking at.

Jack: You can't be sure by looking at anything.

Cristina: Trying to hide anything.

Jack: They're not trying to hide anything.

Cristina: Time is messing with it.

Jack: Now let's go back a point. It's unclear how many buildings are there now. Some buildings are obviously obscured by location with trees and stuff. Now tell me, why don't we know how many buildings are there if we can just drive by?

Cristina: Because they might have been there at a different time. And you might see them now, but they actually exist in the future. Or they might have existed in the past.

Jack: Every single photo I showed you was focused over exactly the same point. Where were all the buildings? Every time I showed it to you, they were exactly the same image. And every one of those image was taken the same f****** day.

Cristina: The same day.

Jack: Every image was taken the same f****** day at different times. These are different satellite images from different places taking different images. Every single image had different buildings. Every single image had different holes. One of the images had no holes. This was all done the same day. They were doing different kind of lenses, they were doing different kind of shots, different distances and seeing different things every time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Skinwalker Ranch.

Cristina: Nice.

Jack: If anything has ever reminded me more of Clinton Road, it is Skinwalker Ranch. It doesn't matter what you're doing or how you're approaching it. It's weird and you can't explain it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No matter what you do, what angle you come from, what thought you applied.

Cristina: To more images or is this also. You were the best.

Jack: Every image you look at is different and it's they all. Because the point is I'm proving how f****** weird that is.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Yeah. Everybody puts it directly over the main farmhouse. Every version I showed you was directly over the main farmhouse. You Saw the main farmhouse in the center on every shot. And I could point it to you, but was the hole there and where the other buildings around there? Two of the images had the tall tower in front of it, one of them didn't. Those is the same f****** day.

Cristina: Yeah. So one of it had a hole right next to the fire, and the.

Jack: Other one had the hole way far away.

Cristina: That was a different hole, though.

Jack: That was a different hole. But that hole doesn't exist. Yeah, that hole doesn't exist in any other shot.

Cristina: Okay, the round hole.

Jack: The round hole, yeah. At least not in that spot. Yeah, the hole has been in other spots. So has the square one.

Cristina: Okay, that's complicated. But what? But those were people. People made those holes. They had to.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: I don't know. I mean, not recently or maybe recently.

Jack: Maybe in the future. Who knows?

Cristina: In the future? Yeah.

Jack: I don't know. I have no idea. It is very weird.

Cristina: That is weird, that. Yes. Okay. Wow.

Jack: Really, really weird. Okay. There have been a couple of companies, like I said, who've worked on this site, and they've worked on the site for different periods of time, Right? So we have the National Institute of Discovery Science and IDS, and they were active from 1995 to 2004. And this company was funded by Robert Bigelow to investigate paranormal phenomenon. And a bunch of, you know, experiments and crap were conducted for the unexplained events here. Then another company comes in called Bigelow Aerospace. Advanced Space Studies. And they were active from 2008 to 2013.

Cristina: So he had one and then he abandoned them and made a new one.

Jack: A subsidiary of Bigelow Aerospace focused on aerospace and UAP research.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And here the activities included working with the Department of Defense. Fence contracted to study UAPs and then explain phenomenon. That's ranch. So he came, he retires his company from it, and then he shows up again with a different company that's tied to the government. Why is the government looking at this?

Cristina: First he was interested in the weird sciencey stuff about it, but then he's like aliens.

Jack: Keep in mind, nothing he studies gets revealed to the public.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So he went to study, says nothing, leaves, come backs with the government, comes back with the government. Seems like he found something.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Enough for the government to be interested.

Cristina: Yes, for defense. Interesting.

Jack: Now again, they end in 2013.

Cristina: There's a third one.

Jack: The current research team under a man named Brandon fugal, began in 2016, and still studies there to the present, led by the new owner, Brandon Fugal. Consisting of scientists and researchers and they're basically continuing the research done on Skinwalker Ranch. The Bigelow had begun. So these are the three primary most influential. There's been other kind of insignificant groups coming and going. Nobody who seems important.

Cristina: But there's nothing on this guy though. He's just continuing what Bigelow was doing.

Jack: Yeah, he was basically coming in to also study the absurd amount of paranormal s*** that has been going on.

Cristina: And UFOs.

Jack: And UFOs isn't by saying paranormal. I was covering UFOs.

Cristina: I don't know. Yes, yes it is.

Jack: Okay, but this brings up an interesting point. Okay, what did you find? Bro came back with the government.

Cristina: What did he find? I don't know. Do people guess what they found?

Jack: Bigelow. The statement they had for being there in the first place was to investigate and study unexplained aero phenomenon and other paranormal activities to understand potential threats and scientific anomalies. Reported findings only the things that were allowed to put on paper that made or not allowed that they did put on paper that were allowed to be seen by the public were in small bullet points in order to justify their continued work on the property. Okay, so numerous UFO sightings and unexplained lights in the sky. Poltergeist like activities including objects moving on their own, strange animal mutilations with no clear cause. Cryptid sightings such as large and identified creatures collected extensive data but did not reach definitive conclusions on any of the previously mentioned. Which is a lie because he came back with the government.

Cristina: Yeah, for defense. So yeah, they had to have known what this was to come up with a plan to stop whatever it is.

Jack: Right, so he comes back with the government in 2008 and he stays there until 2013 instead of indefinitely. Interesting. So you got what you came for, did he?

Cristina: Because then isn't the third thing exactly the same?

Jack: They're not there for what he clearly found. Oh, they have no idea what he found. They're there thinking they're doing what his official message is. Oh, his official statement. They're there to continue that. Okay, the new guy is just a guy. Now let's take a quick look at what happens after he leaves. After shifting focus from Skinwalker Ranch, Robert Bigelow's company Bigelow Aerospace directed its attention specifically to developing an expendable space habitat. Designed and launched expandable modules like the Bigelow Expandable Activity Module which is currently attached to the International Space Station. Aimed at providing cost effective, flexible and larger living and working spaces for Astronauts. Commercial space stations. Which includes plans to create standalone space habitats for use by governmental and private entities in low earth orbit. And research and development focused on advancing technologies for long duration space missions and habitats that could support human life in space. He went to the ranch. He stayed at the ranch until he thought he had something. He removed his private company from the ranch, leaves, pops up with a different company, unrelated. Oh, this is government work. They seal off the property so that they can privately do their research there. And then they leave. And instantaneously we start developing extremely advanced space flight technology and we have the research survive in space.

Cristina: Okay, all right. That sounds really complicated. I wonder what he found.

Jack: I wonder what he found. Let's unpack some of this. We know a mass amount of energy must have existed there and was used for one of the two things that's causing this. It was either a stone or a portal. Something was done. Now, the amount of energy displayed here and what he's using it for tells us something very interesting. We have a ground zero that's very similar to this place. And it's Egypt and it's the pyramids. Extremely exaggerated concentrations of energy. Here's a very important thing I have to tell you. There was a giant square in the floor. If the square is a funnel, what is a square funnel? Upside down.

Cristina: A square funnel upside down.

Jack: Yeah. What's a square funnel? Upside down? Visualize it square flip the funnel.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And make it smaller like a funnel. So the base is at the bottom and it's square and it's gonna funnel up.

Cristina: What isn't a pyramid.

Jack: It's a pyramid.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There's a giant hole of something missing. That is a square funnel. That is an upside down pyramid. We know that the pyramid itself is only the top half of the structure because the bottom half is underneath the ground. And you would call that an upside down what?

Cristina: Pyramid. Yeah.

Jack: Okay, so the real structure is in a pyramid. It's a what funnel? It's a diamond.

Cristina: Diamond. Oh, okay. Yes. Together. Yes. Okay.

Jack: Yes. The real structure is actually a diamond. And that's the object that we know has created the most energy as far as humans have generated. The ability to just blink across the universe generated in that very structure. And that would create a huge space time problem.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If not controlled. There is a pyramid shaped funnel that is missing and is jumping around.

Cristina: It's jumping around the hole.

Jack: Move.

Cristina: Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Jack: If you were to try to make a device to teleport and the device went wrong, the device itself might disappear. But you're still failing to contain the energy the same way you would if you had no idea what you were doing. And then you create a spacetime disturbance. We have the hole where the device would have been and the space time disturbance moving it around.

Cristina: Do you think the circle hole is the same though?

Jack: I think the circle hole has to be something similar. That's what we were trying. If. If our conclusion makes logical sense.

Cristina: With the square.

Jack: With the square, then we would have to try to understand how that would apply. Because that hole is way bigger.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like 20 times larger than the farm itself.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's huge. It pops in and out. It swallows the whole branch sometimes.

Cristina: And the question is whether this is coming from a stone or a.

Jack: Or something that generated. My argument right now it's that it's neither a stone nor a portal. It's a teleportation device. It's this massive amount of energy that these people are working with that's causing the problem.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So although the stone and the portal aren't space time related, they are realm related. They must use enough energy from this side and that side to still create a problem.

Cristina: But they got that from the adrenal.

Jack: Wait. What are you talking about?

Cristina: Teleporting ability.

Jack: I don't know where they would have gotten the information. I have no idea who they studied. We don't know that. But we know that there is a funnel missing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the funnel moves around. So the funnel itself must be part of the energy. That's the only conclusion we have. The energy was coursing through that hole itself.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So the hole itself moves because that is the center of the disturbance. You get my point?

Cristina: See?

Jack: See, that's the logic I'm following. And I couldn't fit anything else into that hole other than a pyramid. Like that would be what's upside down there. And the only thing we know that generates that and has that shape and happens to be a pyramid isn't actually a pyramid. It's a diamond. And that would be the bottom half of it. We would have a pyramid on top. So somebody would build a teleporter there long ago. That was my theory. What do you think?

Cristina: Teleporter? I don't know. It does feel like it's somehow shadow realm related still.

Jack: It does. Right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So let's dive a little deeper then. He definitely found something. Bigelow found something and he started using it. There was a way to control energy or a way to innovate technology or something. You found something and then you Left with it. Maybe it's still there, but the information you left with it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now, the question is, what was this land to begin with? What happened here? What are you here finding out about? We got to go quite back to.

Cristina: The 1600s now, where cowboys roamed around.

Jack: I don't know. That's 1800s.

Cristina: 1800S. Okay.

Jack: So 1600s, we go, and we just have a bunch of indigenous people living on the lands. And the indigenous people already consider this land sacred, but they essentially say that about all the lands, so that's not a fair statement. Every land is your sacred land. Shut up, homie. Now, Skinwalker ranch was where a tribe called the UTE tribe existed, and they were always at war with the Navajo. So, yeah, there was, you know, but it wasn't like crazy war. It was, like, normal war territory and s*** like that. Okay, but that's not even the point here. Right. So the UTI tribe lived there in the Unta basin for centuries, which is what it was called originally. And they used the land for hunting, gathering, and seasonal migrations to stay alive. And they considered parts of the region spiritual, particularly sacred, including the area where the ranch was on.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The Navajo tribe also believed that land to be sacred, but because their ancestors came from that very spot. So it's more of a historical importance to them than it is sacred importance. And that's kind of where the conflict over that kind of land began.

Cristina: Okay. Sacred for both of them for different reasons.

Jack: Yeah. So basically, it comes down to a fight that is perpetual and infinite between cultural and spiritual. That's what it is. And it's like, you know, it's hard because this is where we come from, and this is what you guys worship. So it's like it's Israel versus Palestine. You know, we believe this, and we believe that. So definitely interesting. There are some details on, like, interesting paranormal things that happened based on their stories, but it's more of things that they would describe happen everywhere around them, not just this land with shape shifters and werewolves and just normal things. We've come across looking at native Americans, realm creatures, normal shadow realm creatures, but they exist not just on this property.

Cristina: Everywhere, Everywhere. Okay.

Jack: Now, where this takes an interesting change and why it matters specifically to, say, the 1600s is because the 1600s is where we see people started arriving who aren't from there. White people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Why? People start rolling up, and this is where it's gonna get really, really, really, really important.

Cristina: What do the white people do?

Jack: Okay, so several settlers arrive on the lands around 1600s and promise prosperity to the indigenous people.

Cristina: Of course. Of course.

Jack: Classic story. The indigenous people wrongfully trust the settlers.

Cristina: Oh, no. Oh, no.

Jack: What's gonna happen?

Cristina: What's gonna happen?

Jack: Way more surprising than you think. The settlers eventually begin to round up the indigenous people into camps. The camps were referred to as murder prisons by the Ute people.

Cristina: Oh, that's.

Jack: It's starting to build. It's starting to. Yep. It was unknown to the people of the land what the reason for the European massacre was. The primary detailed shared through generations. Seems that it was religiously motivated, primarily Christianity.

Cristina: Just to drink their blood.

Jack: A large focus on acquiring the flesh and the blood of Christ.

Cristina: Okay. Yep.

Jack: The UTA people mentioned the obsession the Europeans had with the blood diamonds, what they likely thought were rubies.

Cristina: Oh, okay, okay.

Jack: I don't think those are rubies.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Just saying.

Cristina: Obsessed with making stones.

Jack: Obsessed with making any stones and also drinking blood. Because it's the same thing. And Jesus isn't the one who pushes that narrative. No, Jesus is not the one we know who does. This is. They specifically say the Christian white man.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's a whole group of people coming from one group of people who's never stopped doing what they were doing. Now, this is the story I chose because of one important detail.

Cristina: The bloodstone wasn't the important detail.

Jack: The bloodstone wasn't the important detail. Because there are two pieces of information that I need to add as sauce here.

Cristina: What's the sauce?

Jack: The narrative passed by the UTA people was that the white Christian showed up from Europe to colonize and they were rounding people up and they were obsessed with the gems in the ground, the blood diamonds. They've never seen the blood diamonds. They were told that the blood diamonds are here, and we need to round you up in order to get them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: One thing that's within the conversations with a few of them civil enough to engage and try to elaborate where they were from and try to bridge communication, even if they're being enslaved and murdered casually. That then made it through history is the following. The Europeans that arrived were specifically from western and northern Europe, many from the United Kingdom, Scotland and Ireland, many from Poland, Sweden, and Norway.

Cristina: They were doing weird things. I remember.

Jack: Oh, man. It's crazy how little you remember and how everybody's on the other side probably screaming, oh, my God.

Cristina: How do you know there's so much information.

Jack: There's only two reasons to remember how Ireland and Norway tie together.

Cristina: Sea people. Not sea people. They're. They're. They're whatever those things are called.

Jack: Yes. So when the mass migration happened during the time of Christ. As they try to flee, three lines go. One hits the Atlantic Ocean, one lands in Gaza, and one goes up to Norway, probably to this specific part of Norway where the Nephilim are.

Cristina: The Nephilim, that's what.

Jack: That's a Norway. Also. The entire troop they've already established, experimenting and testing in the Isle of Man are based on the local. Nearby island and Ireland. This is all Alician people.

Cristina: The white people that are.

Jack: They showed up.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This is the Elysians rolling in. Or sending people. Humans. Sending humans who are still aligned with them to experiment. Not to experiment. They know what they're getting. It's very, very obvious. It's not an experiment. There's no science being done. They know what they're there for.

Cristina: The stones.

Jack: The stones. Go make stones. The people roll up. They immediately start gathering the people and talking about, we need to acquire these rubies. And somehow the only way to do that is through God. And in order to do that, we need the blood and the flesh of Christ.

Cristina: My dude, they're trying to prepare to fight Jesus with all these stones. Question mark. I don't know. That's a lot of stones.

Jack: It's a lot of stones. This was long ago. This was 1600s, man. It's weird.

Cristina: Those stones. Be.

Jack: I don't think the stones could have been too huge, but we're talking a long time ago, too.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It gets. It's f****** weird, right? Like, what's happening in this place? Well, it gets a little odder because now we're actually in cowboy Times.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In 1850s, the United States government showed interest in the territory, sending out a military troop to occupy the region and remove any and all inhabitants. Following this incident, the land has actually been owned by descendants of European bloodlines since it was acquired and placed under people who are directly tied to the first group of individuals who cleaned it out.

Cristina: The sea people or whoever.

Jack: Whoever showed up. Which presumably is not the sea people, but people who are croonies.

Cristina: Cronies. Yeah.

Jack: Related, because we would be like. Well, in the 1600s, some God, like Adonis is rolled in, and it's like, we don't have that story. No, we just got white people rolled in. European white people. And it's like. But where they came from is like, we know they're there. You came specifically from those two places? Are you kidding? Sometimes lines just line up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So I don't think we have to. We don't have to reach to get anywhere here. This makes kind of a Lot of sense. And whatever stuff was left there, abandoned, was acquired by Piccolo.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There was a massacre. Many stones were made. Probably some stones were left behind, but the energy displacement continues. That explains all the paranormal s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now the United States government confiscates and tries to find him. Cannot. A guy whose expertise is finding hard to find things gets hired by the United States government. He goes in with his private company. He then starts looking. He says, I actually believe if you guys give me the proper resources, we can get this done. Yes, I believe it's possible.

Cristina: You think the teleportation, though technology has something to do with the stones?

Jack: I think the roundup was all of the above. I think there was. They knew how to build a teleporter. They knew how to build a teleporter. The funnel, the square funnel has shown up for dozens of years. That's old. So. Yes, that's been there. It's possible that knowing how to build a teleporter because they can't access their old one, in the 1600s, you know, they abandoned Egypt and they're closer to the United States. They can just roll in. Okay, so you have the ability to make stones, the ability to make teleporters, the ability to make gates. You find land that already has weird fears attached to it. Easy to control a lot of people, fighting a lot of death over here.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Easy to kind of start there. Same thing that happened with the lady. You find a spot that has potential because you need the feedback loop, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You can't do it if there is no fear. You need the fear to get something to engage. Cause more fear, get more of them, get more help progressively doing the thing. Without the feedback loop, you're alone.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: So they come to where the war is going on already, where people die already. They think it's sacred. They think it's haunted, think it's cursed. Too much death, too much this, too much that. Then get the people we have, the people who are scared. The land where the fear happens in one shot.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We can use our friends from the other side. We can use the people from this side. Get the portal, get the stones and get the teleporter all running in one place.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: I think the hole that is a circle, was the stone being made. It's the biggest. Would require the most energy because the stone alone could fling you across space.

Cristina: The stone alone, the stone has more.

Jack: Energy than any teleporter could ever imagine. Okay, well, I think that's the round hole.

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: I Think that's the crater where it happened. And I think the teleporter is why we don't find out what's happening there. Because one team dipped and joined their other homies who also dipped.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And I guess maybe that's been throughout the years, throughout the centuries. Little pockets of people. Oh no. You know, it'd be probably become normal to dodge current day domination of Earth. So you know, we say underwater, they stay over there in space. These guys are underground. And we've grown up seeing what. Oh my God, weird things in sky come out of the water and when we see lights and stuff under the water and oh man, there's more people because we've seen things and like there's creatures underground. It's like, bro, you're just seeing all the people who are watching us.

Cristina: Yeah. There's nothing too weird happening.

Jack: And we just catch them. They're still communities within each other, even if they're private from us, probably with each other. So. Oh yeah, we need a teleporter to get to Bob. You know, teleport over here broke up. We need to build a new one to get them. He's over there in The Dyson sphere. XY 1010. And the energy. We need some. Send some guys over there.

Cristina: Yes. With that technology of transportation, they made better technology to survive in space consistently. Yes.

Jack: Thus making it even easier. So everything has always been to get more and improve and get more and improve.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The question is, is Bigelow tied to the Alicians? I don't think so. I think those are two different instances. I think Bigelow and the United States government are what we usually find, which are people using any desperate means and they kind of, kind of know it was there. Kind of sort of understand. And the United States government rolled in in the 1800s trying to get it too.

Cristina: Yes, but they wanted people who were, it seems like they were working with them though.

Jack: The Europeans rolled in.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's very different than the United States government in the 1850s rolling in. Oh, those are two different groups. I don't even know what happened to the Europeans.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I didn't say anything about that.

Cristina: Well, I thought you said the government then wanted people who were part of that group to stay there.

Jack: No, the, the government has had people that are of European descent in control of the property since the 1850s.

Cristina: Okay. But that's unrelated.

Jack: Yeah, well, they're descendants of the original group of people who were there. Yes. Now the question is, is the original group of people there connected to the Original group of people there? Or does it just so happen to be that it was safer to leave in control of these people?

Cristina: Huh? I don't know.

Jack: And is the 1850s United States government the same as the modern day government that was interested with Bigelow? Because we know there are many government figures who have adrenochrome and islands farming adrenochrome and doing this and doing that. But that's not Alicians technology, because they wouldn't with adrenochrome.

Cristina: Except for these. Whoever these people are that are somewhat. They're not them, but they're related because they came to make stones.

Jack: They came to make stones, but they weren't drinking blood or anything.

Cristina: They might have been drinking blood because there was blood drinking involved. Enough.

Jack: They never said blood drinking. I looked for that specifically. They said they needed to get the flesh of Christ and the blood of Christ and that in doing so they could acquire the rubies.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think they had no idea what rubies. What the. I think the settler quote settlers, unquote, weren't actually told the name of the philosopher's own, because probably it was global at that point.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So that they couldn't accidentally translate it into their native language and be like.

Cristina: Getting the blood of Christ is not drinking the blood of Christ.

Jack: No. In the case of working with the Elysians, getting the blood of Christ is them trying to get enough to make a stone.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that's why rounding them up was part of it. Because back then, I don't think. Unless you were trying to build a farm. And if they were just trying. I mean, it is a ranch.

Cristina: It is a ranch. And you say that there was like animal, like things were happening to the animals too. Someone was drinking blood in there eventually.

Jack: Well, keep in mind that the spot was chosen.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because of. All spots seem to be chosen because of already having events making it easier than trying to get it.

Cristina: So whatever, like shadow realm creatures that popped up probably really not. Did not relate to them at all.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. It could be. That's the problem. It could be totally unrelated. Yes. These 1600s people could be the 1850s people and it could be the 2013 people. But if not, then the 1600s people were advantageous people who knew we could use this to do the things for our. For our leaders.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then the 1850s people just happen to have enough knowledge to know this is important to keep in our possession.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then that actually gets executed on in the 2013s and on when they already Finished doing their research and can finally start implementing. But then that's still like a 200 year project of digging information and trying to find things out and then bringing in an expert because you wasted 200 years and you're like, can you figure it out? And he's like, yeah, yeah, makes sense. I don't think we nailed down which specifically thing it was, but I think we know who.

Cristina: Yes, I think we know who and.

Jack: I think it's possible because of the different visuals that it was all of the above. The storylines went being all of the above and the visuals line went up being all of the above. The only thing we can't really nail down is the circle. We have never seen the impact zone. It's usually buried under a f*** ton.

Cristina: Of something and they probably happened so long ago that it wouldn't stop. Be there still.

Jack: Exactly.

Cristina: Are there other random holes like that?

Jack: If we removed the ground zero of the Twin Towers, we'd have a huge crater. The question is, if we remove that and look at what the crater looks.

Cristina: Like, is it perfect?

Jack: Is it a perfect circle underneath that? You know, that's the question. We need to find another colossal sized perfect circle. I can tell you what the square funnel looks like and using logic, what it could have been.

Cristina: Mm. Put the circle.

Jack: I can tell you, based on the stories and what they shared and passed down through time about their trauma and horrors, what they were trying to do because, oh, we're trying to get this blood and we're trying to get that flesh and we're trying to make some, you know, we're trying to get the stones through doing that. The sentence doesn't make sense. You're trying to get some rubies with some blood, bro.

Cristina: Yeah, that's very crazy.

Jack: Yeah, it's very clear what's happening there. I don't know what's up.

Cristina: It's a perfect circle.

Jack: Perfect circle.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Only theory was if you're doing all the things you're always doing, that's where you made the stone. You were rounding them up. You were.

Cristina: I think so. But we gotta find proof.

Jack: I gotta find another hole.

Cristina: It has to be possible. I think it's possible. There's too many of these type of stories for there not to be another hole.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. Now we know how to track them down. All I did was look for a really haunted area.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They happen to have the requirements. You dig deeper. And then as soon as we got. These people came from Norway and these people came from Ireland. I'm like, Yep.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yup, exactly. You could have come from anywhere, bro. Come on.

Cristina: All right, all right.

Jack: Random other place, random other thing. All I did was look for huge energy disturbances, a lot of paranormal activity. And then what did we find out? Oh, science took place here.

Cristina: Science. Oh, very scary science.

Jack: Very scary science. But he just goes to show what's happening in the past is all scientific. There is no magic. We began this journey like five years ago investigating the. Originally the. The claims of reptilian magic. Oh, they got magic. And I was like no. The conclusion to that was like no. All this looks like tech.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That perspective has changed everything. And it opened so many doors for us to really be able to look at some of this stuff to the point that it led us to actual fact discussions that have been had about this stuff. 100 years ago, peer reviewed material about this. Get the out of here. It's crazy. Anyways, that's basically what we have on the skinwalker ranch. It does look like some sort of former experimental facility. And there is a lot of weird activity that goes on there.

Cristina: I'm still going on there and to.

Jack: This day, still going on there.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: There are claims by other people that aren't official claims of things that have happened in this location.

Cristina: Location.

Jack: UFO sightings, animal mutilation, poltergeist activity, Cryptics, environmental anomalies, Electrical magnetic energy, cold. All the things you. Lights, discs, circles on the ground, missing things, things showing up that don't belong there. Seeing fires at a distance, seeing fires in the sky. Wolf like creatures, humanoid like creatures. Furniture rearranging itself. Doors opening itself and closing itself. Sometimes directly in front of witnesses. Animals completely lacking blood. Animals with no marks at all, completely drained of blood. Animals dead with no marks, completely filled with blood. Just normal animals who have nothing, just dead, surgical like incisions done on animals. Organs missing from animals. Ambrosia.

Cristina: Ambrosia.

Jack: Lights, flying objects or no human deaths.

Cristina: Or do they keep that secret?

Jack: Unknown.

Cristina: Right. That's something that's kept secret.

Jack: That's something that's kept secret on the wraps.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Right? Because you know there has to be. Yeah, there has to be.

Jack: But with purpose. I'm sure. But anyways, this went way longer than I thought. But there's a lot. And I didn't want like bad pieces of this or another episode because I know we're gonna start the next episode at least thinking about. Because we're gonna think about this and just talk about it. Yeah, like I want to do a whole episode about it. But anyway, so yeah, that's what we got, guys. You guys want to go look at some of this information? Skinwalker Ranch is an absurdly crazy thing. And I think the outer range might be based on this or something similar to this.

Cristina: It has to be.

Jack: Especially because that f****** big a** hole that moves around, dude, it's so colossal. It's been seen on both of the main road, but you can only tell when you're directly standing in front of it or when you're doing an aerial view, which is how people find it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because it's just off in the distance somewhere. Weirdly enough, the really, really big hole has never consumed the ranch. It seems to always miss the ranch. And the really, really small hole misses all the buildings. I forgot to talk about that earlier. They totally dodge any structures, but can be seen missing the structures everywhere.

Cristina: So the structures very close to that ranch though.

Jack: Yeah. And it didn't touch it. It was right there. Yeah, it could. Had it shown up underneath it. Does the house just fall?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And like, how does it show up? You got to not be looking at it. It has to not be influencing anything or something. Right. Because you just be enjoying your day and then, oh my God. What the f***? The house is falling into where the hole just showed up under you. How does the hole move? Could I be standing here looking at the hole and watch it disappear in front of me?

Cristina: I don't.

Jack: Or do I have to look over there? When I look back, it's just gone.

Cristina: I think that's the only way it could work.

Jack: So then we're Schrodinger's hole.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: Anyways, guys, look at the information. Go online, Google it. Do what you got to do. Skinwalker Ranch. Really weird situation. Yeah. Tell us what you think. Tell us what you know. Tell us any ideas, thoughts, comments, concerns you might have, whatever the case might be, and do that on our socials. We have been kicked off of YouTube because truth hurts, I guess.

Cristina: Like they've been slowly removing us from there for years.

Jack: Yeah, we've been slowly getting banned left and right on YouTube.

Cristina: They finally was like, this is too much. You can't go through every video.

Jack: Yeah, no, they 100% were like, we're overlooking at your s***. Get out. And so we're no longer on YouTube but you can definitely reach us on tick tock, on Instagram, on Twitter, Facebook. I guess Twitter's act. But yeah, Twitter, you know, and on Facebook until they kick us out too because they're crazy PC, which I guess if we leave Facebook, we'll also be kicked out of Instagram, so you know all the above.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes, and word of mouth is the most exaggerated thing that can ever happen. So tell people about the show. Tell people about the Skinwalker Ranch and how you've discovered lately that all things on earth connect to the same group of people and that anything that's ever happened is just their doing and we have no free will.

Cristina: It might be, Yes, I guess so. This has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye it.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

June 01, 2024

Rambling 276: The Point of Gaza

June 01, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

What is the true purpose of what’s happening in Gaza? Do we have similar examples? And if we do, what is Israel really doing and who really are they? The duo now with answers to move forward, evolve the nature of their questioning taking them straight to present day to some astounding revelations. An episode which completely reframes all that is known and reveals dark coming truths for humanity!

+Episode Details

The Gaza Prison State
Israel Origins
Genocide vs Experiment
Who’s the Kingpin?
Prophecies Line Up
The True Big Picture

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we discuss humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And, like, we've been talking a lot for years at this point, literally.

Cristina: Has that been years?

Jack: It's literally years. It's literally been years. At this point, it's been like two years. Okay, yeah, about the same s***.

Cristina: But I thought we escaped it. We. I haven't escaped it.

Jack: I thought we escaped it, too. I thought we escaped it, too. I thought we escaped it, too. But the lingering question was, right, we solved the bunch, figured out a lot. But there was this question about Yahweh in specific, right? Like, we still don't know a lot about him. And there was a situation about the Tower of Babel that I wanted to talk about before, if you remember. And so the basic premise of that discussion, I'm gonna rush through it because it's useless. I just need you to understand the premise, right? The idea was the Tower of Babel, that Yahweh specifically had a. These desolation guy, and there's a bunch of people who are building a tower to reach him. This metaphor of a tower must have been literally trying to get this amounted or something, presumably.

Cristina: Okay, right.

Jack: And in the text, it says that he switched their language so they couldn't communicate and work together to continue to build it. That was his solution to the problem. But really, when you look at the depictions, the images that were used in description with those in sync with that time, those kind of look like satellites. So it's more like he was destroying their communication and towers and s***. Right?

Cristina: Do you have pictures of this?

Jack: What are you talking about? It was just, like, images and drawings and then descriptions of them and just a bunch of random bits and pieces. But that's not even what matters because. And we've seen this a thousand times in a million different places. It's interesting, but it's actually not the important thing, because the important thing comes down to what's happening right now. Because it's happening right now with simply following Yahweh. Because following Yahweh, one thing came to mind. Whose God is Yahweh? And he's the God of the Jews. Okay, right, The God of the Jews. So I'm like, okay, coincidence, right? Because the Jews and the Israelis aren't necessarily the same thing.

Cristina: Okay, so you're Going back to what we were talking about last episode kind of sort.

Jack: Right. So the Jews and the Israeli aren't necessarily the same thing. Israel is a new concept. Jews are not. Those are two different concepts. Who we identify as Jews now might not be the state of Israel, might be what we discussed. Right. But Jews, their God was Yahweh. Now current day Jews have a more abstract, ambiguous, kind of less directly spoken of God, but it's almost assumed it's Yahweh, but it's kind of like pretty removed a lot of the time. And Yahweh isn't really the God that is addressed even within the Jewish community. Well, Jehovah. Oh, that's a weird little alteration. Right.

Cristina: When did that happen?

Jack: Well, that happened kind of in modern time, generally speaking, all of Israel kind of always not Jews, but the state of Israel itself. Them, they've always been sort of Jehovah kind of people. Not a New Testament kind of people. They still follow Old Testament. It's still Jewish. But he just kind of say Jehovah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that's cool and fine, but old Jews used to say Yahweh. Weird, tiny discrepancy. I'm just pointing that out, you know.

Cristina: But it changes in the first book. The Old Testament?

Jack: Yeah. Oh, the original swap, it was used kind of interchangeably in the first one. In the first one. But the Jews of that time used Yahweh. They used Yahweh. The people of that time used Yahweh. Even if both exist.

Cristina: And the Old.

Jack: Yes, they would. They would defer to Yahweh first.

Cristina: Okay, and what was the other name?

Jack: The other name is Jehovah.

Cristina: Okay, Right.

Jack: So there was still a distinction. They felt one was superior to the other.

Cristina: Even though it's the same person.

Jack: No one's the father and the other is the son. Wait, Yahweh is Jehovah's father?

Cristina: Okay. No, I mean in the book, though. It's not really. It's the same person in the book.

Jack: Well, let me trip you out. The Jews already knew this and have kind of a tree in some form where they've kind of linguistically divided it. They already believe Yahweh is above Jehovah. They don't say one is. They're even related. But conceptually they've actually divided and created a distinction between that within how they explain their religion to people and how they preach it. There's a clear distinction between those two entities.

Cristina: Are you sure?

Jack: Yes. And people have related their sort of explanation of it. To father and son.

Cristina: But those people don't believe there's a father and a son.

Jack: No, they don't. They, the Jews themselves don't use that terminology. That's people trying to relate it to. Like, this is the best way I can explain the same idea.

Cristina: That's strange. Okay.

Jack: Juicer way thought out. They're above everybody. They're essentially following not even of religion as much as what seems to be a literal map of what kind of reality exists upon. They don't believe in a heaven per se. They believe there's a possible maybe something.

Cristina: Possibly something which sounds like.

Jack: Well, it depends on what you do. And what does that sound like? Well, are you going to just dissipate in peace or go to some kind of hellish place which isn't literally h***, it's some kind of other place like. That sounds like their belief. It's just some maybe something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And okay, that lines up. And they're not like, well, we can't really comprehend God.

Cristina: He's just another thing they worship. You're saying people. Yes, but those people are from the sea people. They're worshiping sea people at the end of the day, like did the ancient ones. Were they actually worshipping sea people?

Jack: Worship is our interpretation of it. Keep in mind, when we're referring to gods, the word God ultimately devolves down to the original root of person of intellect, person of authority, elite person of power. It's just with time and losing things and pieces here and there, you don't. People don't see the whole picture, which was our job.

Cristina: Okay. But in the last episode, we decided those were actually shadow people.

Jack: It seems to be that. Yes. That the state of Israel is shadow people. Yes.

Cristina: Well, does that make sense, though?

Jack: It makes sense when they are described specifically as the ones from the other side by everybody else.

Cristina: But once upon a time they had communication with the sea people.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And they were worshiping them.

Jack: No, they're not worshiping the sea people. Where are you getting the worship?

Cristina: Well, they felt some kind of way towards them, that they were above them.

Jack: Yes, they definitely. It's possible that because of the technology. Keep in mind that these are the oppressors.

Cristina: But they still.

Jack: We look at it like they're describing gods. We never said their gods are good to them. In fact, all of these people think these gods are monstrous and will hurt you. The word God does not mean benevolent in any instance, we've used it. And also, we don't even mean God when we use it. Okay, but every time we've used God. All those people think, oh, he's wrathful and gonna murder you. So none of them are like, we worship this guy. They're more like, we're gonna follow his orders. Cuz f*** that.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: You get my point. There's no worship in this old school. People weren't dumb like that. They weren't like, we got a war. They don't believe this s***. People nowadays do. People nowadays are idiots. They're like, no, there was a literal deity or something. These people were like, no. Those people basically own all this s*** that says I can't do anything about it. So I'm just gonna do whatever they want me to do because they don't need me. And it's really easy to get rid of me, so I'll be as useful as possible.

Cristina: But then something happened and that changed.

Jack: The Great War. The unification is what I'm calling it. The great Unification that happened at some point between, just by chance, between the year 6 BC and 4 AD which weirdly enough happens to coincide with the migration of the random group of people. We can tell because of the genetic marker of the J1 that comes from the neck of the Persian Gulf oasis, leaving around 6 BC to sometime around 4 AD and breaking up into three groups that scatter north, west and southwest, landing in Gaza. See, and at the same time, all mention of Elysians ceases. Everywhere the sudden beginning mentions of Israel first happen and we get the invention of the first ever, consistently always foreign own slave state. Now this is incredibly important because of what's happening in this slave state. This slave state is a very interesting location. Again, just following the train of thought of Yahweh, I come to the Jews and then the Jews just happen to be related to the Israelis because, you know, logistically in the same location.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So I then start looking at the Jews because I'm not really paying attention to the Israelis. Really. We just quickly address the fact that they might just be shadow people who joined the group of people who were against the Elysians to begin with.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which checks out. It makes sense as a strategic approach in life. You know, join the people who aren't the. Who are the good people in your eyes as compared to who are the bad people in everybody's eyes. You know, it's a great war, everybody's friends. Yeah, it makes sense. And so the Jews, notorious for definitely not being on the Elysian side, okay, you know, is who these Rayleigh state, AKA a bunch of shadow people who then turn themselves into just normal day humans. It coexists. It makes perfect sense. Right?

Cristina: Right.

Jack: But we have this state. And I think about what we were talking about last time, Right. We're talking about the migration pattern and how it broke up into these three different things. But a question came to me after the episode, which unpacking, the question got really, really, really dark, really, really quickly. Ran. I asked, but how do we know there's migration patterns if we killed them off? And that's the ones that are left, minus the ones that got away elsewhere. Right. Well, what's the migration pattern? It's DNA traces over time. So it took them time, they migrated at normal people speeds. They were trying to blend in. Right.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But we can trace their DNA with current day science. We couldn't then. They had that science, but they knew we didn't.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they blended in the people and made their way out. Hence the slow migration. They impregnated women throughout the time. Some blended in, whatever. They diluted themselves and disappeared into the populations. We can trace where the purity kept going as the line kept moving. So why didn't we eradicate those people? Right. We can trace the same J1 marker.

Cristina: Mm. You're saying those people as in the other two locations?

Jack: Yeah, the other two paths of the J1. A variation of DNA that we don't. We haven't killed those people that have it. But we know we don't follow the migration line. We just know that there is the Gaza line, the Gaza spot and where it began. And we got those other two lines. The two lines. We don't eradicate any of that. And the line in Gaza going to Gaza. No. But we have Gaza trapped. What's the difference from Gaza and those lines? And I had a theory about this. And then when I thought about this theory, I didn't looked into it, into how things work in it. Well, I didn't look into how things work. I looked into my theory and it told me how things work. I'll explain.

Cristina: You looked into your own theory?

Jack: Yes, I looked into my own theory. I looked at aspects of my theory.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Did some research.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And found weirder things about how things work.

Cristina: All right, and what was your theory?

Jack: So current day Israel is holding hostage current day Gaza.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We all know this. There's a blockade. Everybody else is kind of like let it happen, but what's really happening. Right. So currently Israel has currently Gaza just nice and boxed in. And I was looking at patterns. What often does this and for what purposes? Might somebody else.

Cristina: Trap another country or.

Jack: Something like not necessarily Country. I'm trying to remove myself from any idea that might connect back to war. I try to always remove myself to get different perspective. So what paths can lead to it, to a similar look? Well, scientists, oftentimes that's an initial. Once I saw scientists, I was like, let me click that f****** thing right there, bruh. Scientists tend to isolate a specific genetic variant in order to preserve just its evolutionary concentration. Right. What does this mean? We can have a pure version of something that's less influenced by the external world.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Fact, we can trace the genetic markers because of the migration line. Fact, there are two genetic variants, the lines themselves and the B1. B that came from the J1, that exists only in Gaza, which is sort of refined alternative. Just purified there by itself. Not purified, but it's more pure than the rest of us. Just a more concentrated version of the J1. Interesting. Why do scientists do this? Well, they do that to research these specific things. Okay. Yeah. When you have like a creature in isolation, you have less influence from the external world. This is great for genetics and things when you're studying biology and stuff, not when you're studying natural responses and psychology and behaviors. Because isolation is bad.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But you can create sort of a fake habitat and have them enclose within that fake habitat, which isn't really fake habitat. It's natural environment usually just protected from anybody going in or out. Then in that controlled environment, they're sort of less exposed to the outside world, but you still have access to the creature sort of living in its natural environment, staying as natural as possible. And this is usually how we preserve things from going extinct. What does preserving something from going extinct mean? The bird, the animal, the dog, the cat, whatever, isn't going to mate with some other things. It's going to mate with its own kind because it's trapped inside these walls with its own kind and it can multiply into more pure versions of itself.

Cristina: We do that with animals.

Jack: We do that with animals all the time. That's what natural preserves, enclosures are. Animals can keep reproducing among themselves and not diluting themselves. And that's sort of what's happening genetically inside of Gaza. We can tell that the people there have a specific, more concentrated version of a very specific genetic marker. They happen to have started at Persian Gulf Oasis.

Cristina: You think that's important to why they're being trapped in the first place?

Jack: Yes, because now I have to talk numbers again. This was just what, what might look like this in the world. And it led to scientists this Led me to the next point, which is essentially just a numbers question. Right. Once I start discussing the numbers, you're gonna get a lot of where I'm going with this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Right. All right. 7 million humans is one instance. 50 million Neanderthals is another instance. And about a hundred to a thousand alfamers is another instant. These are different variations, different quantities that it took to create different stones.

Cristina: Okay. Oh, duh. Oh, duh. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. So 7 million humans. It's the most recent stone we can, like, track. That was pretty big.

Cristina: How many people are there?

Jack: It's getting to the hundreds of thousands.

Cristina: That feels like not enough.

Jack: Well, let's talk about these numbers again.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It was the most primitive stone we can think of before the concept of our time existing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Before, the concept of our time existing was a thousand. Roughly a thousand. The most could have been a thousand based on what's left in disgust. Elfamers. About a thousand. Very small number. Very primitive. S***** stone.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Very low number. Really good stone. It couldn't make a universe.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Ooh, Kind of interesting.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: 50 million Neanderthals. Whack DNA takes a lot. Stone was so s*****, it took another try.

Cristina: Yeah, okay.

Jack: S***. You know, too whack of DNA. It's.

Cristina: But this is not whack DNA.

Jack: We're going back up, right? Because the most recent human stones was against Jews, right? 7 million. Using the Jews. Right. Using what? Specific Jews. Right. The Jews of Israel. Right. Those are what? Those are just gin, Right. That's a really strong stone. Right. So if you're gonna retaliate, you need a pretty strong f****** stone. Right? But you've always had your f****** ace in your back pocket. And we're talking scales of hundreds of thousands of years. This is a quick retaliation. Oof. Not really. Hundreds of thousands, Usually thousands of years. But yeah, a hundred years is a quick retaliation. It's really, really quick. Okay, so we're talking that these guys are making a pretty overpowered stone. If you're using Elysian DNA to make it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's. Potentially. They're calculating. The strongest stone ever made use is the equivalent of the weapons of mass destructions that we think exists, but secretly in the background. This is the real power. This is what people are really scared of. This is the true fear. And the problem is there's a very reminiscent thought that just happens to be a cartoon that really gives me a really good image of what's happening and why other people might already be stepping back. Because a lot of people stepped back right at the Beginning. And they're like, f***, bro. But why?

Cristina: Seem like some people are trying.

Jack: Yes, but what is the caution? Right? We know. We know a lot already. It's possible that these are just op gin. The tech is already up there. We can't do anything about these people to begin with. But there was a very vivid image I have, if you remember in Full Metal Alchemist, what made the military particularly dangerous?

Cristina: The fake stones. They're not fake, but, like, they had real stones, but they were wax stones.

Jack: They were small stones.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Ring size, like a diamond ring.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Tiny stones. Yeah, but they were real stones. But what about the stones made it great? Then everybody had one. The generals of every group, soldiers had guns, but the guy at the top of every tree, he had a stone. He worked his way to a stone, and he had to learn alchemy and do his homework.

Cristina: I think they just have a bunch of little stones.

Jack: I think we are in a situation where they've learned to casualize the ability to use these stones. And we've witnessed the flex. Like, maybe they've had it. And that's why we've been like, well, we're not gonna do it. They come from the other side, and they just become human. I think since that point, since the formation of Israel, they've had this, and nobody's gonna touch them. And then the first people to try their best to do so. Well, I mean, the state of Israel gets formed after N*** Germany.

Cristina: Right.

Jack: Didn't even exist until then. It's a response to that.

Cristina: Okay, you think they have stones, though?

Jack: I think at that point. I think at that point, they have stones. The state of Israel is controlled by essentially, quote, the generals with the stones, unquote, which are not really generals or military figures, but rather people of importance who have the ability to do real important damage on an interestingly overpowered scale. And that because of this, everybody has always just kind of done whatever. But the moment finally came. They told us, oh, yeah, we'll end this for you, but one day we're gonna do the thing. Because we have to.

Cristina: I don't want to just like, whatever.

Jack: And like, yeah, we're like, whatever. We'll deal with it then solve the problem now. Because we're stupid humans. We're stupid f****** humans. We're dumb. We think so. Short term, it's ridiculous. Part of the lifespan is retarded short. So, like, what the f*** would we do?

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: You know, we think in our. In the terms of our lifespan, they're thinking in the terms of theirs it's not the same to them. That short blip is really tiny scoped. But no, we, we considered our whole life. It's like you're just considering a longer span and you're judging us. But ultimately these guys, no one can do anything. Nobody can do anything. And I think that's the big problem. And right now they are starting to form a really overpowered stone, more powerful than any that has been formed until now.

Cristina: Where? What, what are they gonna do then? What. What's the next step? They make the stone and then what?

Jack: I don't know. We'll just won't hear about them. It'll go back to normal. No, they won't leave. It'll just quiet down. They're gonna get their thing accomplished and that's it.

Cristina: You think they won't just escape out of here or something like the next step like all everyone else with their stones?

Jack: Yes, but not in our time. Time span. We're not going to see that happen. Oh, the next. Keep in mind they're performing at their time span, not ours. We're thinking, oh, within our time span of life. We don't know. We're not gonna see that happen.

Cristina: But it's gonna happen eventually.

Jack: Presumably. Yeah, within a couple of hundred years to a few thousand years or some thinking hundreds of years. Based on the time scope that we see, everything happens within dozens to hundreds. It seems to be the regular time frame of LEAPS. 300 years seems to be the average good jump from one point to another.

Cristina: That's crazy though. That's crazy.

Jack: What?

Cristina: That they're just making a stone?

Jack: Yeah. But it kind of checks out, right?

Cristina: Just waiting for the stone to be made.

Jack: Yeah. And this question was just stuck in my head when I was just wondering.

Cristina: What could they possibly be doing?

Jack: Not even what could they be doing, but why. Why did I know about the. The path of DNA?

Cristina: What did you know?

Jack: Well, I didn't know. I did research.

Cristina: Why did someone know?

Jack: Yeah, why did. Why did ancestry look at this? How did. What was the point? How did they get. Not why, obviously I don't know why they looked at everyone. How did they know that that existed? Right, but what's the answer to the question is because there's people with the DNA. So wait, you didn't kill everybody with the DNA? Duh. So then what does that mean? That means that there's something specific about the people over there.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So then what's specific about the people over there? That's not. You're just imprisoning the ones you could catch. No, there's a. There were a bunch. And you ignored them. You caught some for a reason. And then I was like, why the. What else could look like this? Well, scientists do this to preserve things, to keep things purer, which we can prove because they actually have a more concentrated version of the same DNA. And what does adrenochrome work with? It works with blood.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the higher quality of the blood, the better the stone, which is proven. Although never discussed explicitly other than through the events. But the numbers line up with the events. You need less numbers if you have a purer blood and you usually use a stone and some other kind of thing to try to make a purer creature to then use to make a better stone. There's a process they were always going through.

Cristina: Mm. So there's gonna be something next, then? Yes, next evolution is coming up.

Jack: It depends how long it takes from the stone.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because. Yes, that was the other problem. Right. I'm like, okay, so the state of Israel happens, and then we discuss that, and we ignore the one fact that happens. Following that logic. Well, that group of individuals is what then? Well, the ones who could cross and turn themselves. Those are the elite scientists. That's also why those are the ones we're scared of. Those are currently the strongest, most powerful thing out here. Those are the ones who are gonna take the place of the Elysians. That's why everybody's horrified, too, because what we stopped is starting again.

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: And we're watching it happen. And we know at any moment it could be f****** any of us. But we helped them, and now we have to pay. It's essentially the demon crossroads problem.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I will reward you with whatever the f*** you want right now, but I am coming for you.

Cristina: And that's pretty much what happened. Okay. Yeah. Everyone had a problem.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: The humans came and, like, we can help you.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Oh, crap. Oh, crap. Mel. Are gonna be our problem. And we just got to watch and wait. That's weird. It's really strange. Yeah.

Jack: And it's weird because they didn't even help us stop the Alicians. They helped us to stop the Germans. That's it. They rolled up and helped to stop other humans. It was easy for them to do. So easy for them to do. They did it through the United States. So easy for them to do. Simple. Simple, effortless. Because what? We can push humans around like nothing, but we're coming for you.

Cristina: That's crazy. That's too crazy.

Jack: We successfully spent almost 2000 years. Well, I guess we didn't make it the 2000 years roughly because that was sometime in the 40s and now it's 2024. So you know we, we cleared the 2000 year mark of having suppressed the issue, but we made a deal with the devil and not really. They're not bad people. We gotta continue the thought creatures that can easily do the thing aren't thinking of us as people. That's really all that's happening.

Cristina: We're not equal to them.

Jack: We're not equal. We're smaller, less significant things that could be easily manipulated.

Cristina: Which we were.

Jack: Which we were. And we're still being. So it's pretty cut and dry. And the moment finally arrived then we're watching it happen and we're kind of all shook but talking about in the background like how do we stop it? We can't, we can't just jump in. It would be too easy for them to end it all right now and go start somewhere else. It would be too easy. We invited this in. So how do we think our way out of the problem? First point of action.

Cristina: You have a plan?

Jack: Well, no, this is the p. This is, I'm assuming the world at the moment.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: First point of action. The people of Gaza are f*****. We just have to let that happen. So that's a distraction while we talk, while we plan.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: While we figure it out. That's our timeline. Because one, we already can't stop them. Two once that's done, we'll never stop them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we gotta move to Mars. That's a, that's a possibility for sure. And the fact that. So the, the second thing, I don't know if you've looked at this and we can. If you want to.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Many, many, many, many, many billionaires and high hundred multi millionaires have been buying bunkers and buying seats to go visit Mars.

Cristina: That's not shocking, but okay. What can we do with that though?

Jack: Just all been happening. Buying seeds to leave the planet. Buying seeds to go underground.

Cristina: Yeah, because they know.

Jack: Because they know.

Cristina: What can you do? I don't know. It's very Egypt and my. What's the other people? Males.

Jack: Also how reminiscent of Horizon zero Dawn is the Mayans solution to hiding from the incoming apocalypse that they were experiencing.

Cristina: Yeah. And then the other people that went into space.

Jack: And then the other people went to space. Egyptians.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: No, it always, it's always the same. It's always the same. It's literally history repeating itself.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just away from baseland. That's it.

Cristina: And it's gonna happen.

Jack: And it's gonna happen again. Holy. We're seeing history happen again.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What the.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, that's crazy. That's really cool.

Cristina: That's cool that it happened in Horizon. We didn't even realize it.

Jack: Yeah. That's pretty badass. Good on them. That's fire. That's fire. I like that. D***. And we have neither.

Cristina: Neither. No.

Jack: No. Because we know the base is. That's just happening. So this is getting wiped out. We're part of the you're f***** group.

Cristina: No, we're not. We have.

Jack: Our bunk is not deep enough. We're not like Illuminati bunk. Our bunk is like, meh. Like a good. Like a missile directly hitting our territory.

Cristina: We can hide in one of the many locations where the Loch Ness monsters were protecting those random labs.

Jack: No, that's fair.

Cristina: Is that good?

Jack: Yeah. 100. And we're some of the only people who even know how to reach that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Then that's kind of fire.

Cristina: We have something that's fair.

Jack: That makes a lot of sense. We act fair enough. We actually have a lot of. We could do the spacing too. That just kind of sucks.

Cristina: Does this look. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. Like, we can just use the. The pyramid and like, warp out. But the problem is we sent a whole group of people there and that's just still nothing. So, like. Nah.

Cristina: We could some. No. How could we. Because we haven't figured it out. Travel to the place of the people that are listening to us.

Jack: Oh, crap. You mean Universe Three?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I don't even know how we would accomplish that.

Cristina: That's an idea. Very Full Metal Alchemist, then.

Jack: Yeah. Escape through those means hop through a portal or somehow. I mean, anything. Right? Because what's coming. Ultimately a group of people who are way more powerful than us are going to begin experimenting to advance their civilization, I guess. Or themselves to get out of here.

Cristina: Probably like everyone else. But out of this reality into Althaim?

Jack: I don't even know. Well. What. You pose a different argument, which we're still looking into, which is that it's not just out, but it's also creating universes of their own.

Cristina: Oh yeah.

Jack: And it's like. That's even more valuable because many of.

Cristina: Us do they have to sacrifice to do that?

Jack: How many of us do they have to sacrifice to do that? Keep in mind it looks like earthrealm itself is some sort of farm of elf fame. People of some degree. We're all sharing somehow that DNA. And the lesions are the Purest version of that.

Cristina: It's complicated.

Jack: Yeah. So, like, if you're trying to make something pure and then make a universe, you come here to do it. You leave the shadow realm, you come here.

Cristina: That makes sense.

Jack: And then you find the purest thing here, which are the people of Gaza.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: S***. Just so happens to be where they're at and exactly who they happen to be killing. What the f***?

Cristina: To make a new something. Yeah.

Jack: Just so happens to be what's happening. What the f*** are the odds?

Cristina: It makes sense though, right?

Jack: What the f***? Unless it's the most exact coincidence in all the f****** time. It is step by step what would need to happen. And it is literally what is happening.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So, like, I don't know what to tell you guys. If there was ever a clearer image of some weird supernatural that just so happens to not be. I mean, at this point, I don't even think about it as supernatural. I've. It. I've rationalized it into technology.

Cristina: Yeah, me too.

Jack: You know, like, I've seen enough. I've seen it. We've seen images of literal tech. Our attack, it's just not our tech. It's just not our tech. But it's just foreign enough that it looks like magic. But then we look at it and it's like, well, that guy wasn't shooting energy out of a pot because magic. No, there was a. It was a battery, bro. And we saw it and we saw the inside. It's like, oh, I get it now. And then. Oh, my God, the staff. And he was controlling magnetism and electricity. Well, it was a staff wrapped in coils with a metal rod inside of it. And he was in an area that was intentionally built with a magnetic sphere around it, bouncing electrical currents that he could then manipulate with the rod. It was intentional. Yes. Of course it looked like he was controlling it, because that was the f****** goal of the technology. It's like, oh, with enough time and enough different angles of literally seeing it. Yeah. I no longer see it as magic and stuff.

Cristina: But we're in danger.

Jack: Oh, yeah, We're. We're. We're very. I don't know how we would solve this problem other than leaving, which seems to be what everybody who doesn't want.

Cristina: To bother seems like the problem. I mean, the solution. It seems like what everyone's doing is it's got to be out. No up or down, up or down.

Jack: But I'll tell you one thing. The last uprising worked.

Cristina: The last up. Right.

Jack: Think about it. The last uprising worked. Although these guys Jumped on the opportunity to capture a group of them because they knew what was coming. They knew. Wait, you guys will jump, we'll help you guys. And we're gonna trap this group of people. Anybody can own this s***. But we're eventually going to show up and we're going to establish ourselves and this group of people. We want that this group of people, you need to make sure that group of people 1 stay pure. We don't give a f*** who owns that group of people. It stays f****** pure or we eat you guys instead.

Cristina: What do you mean by an uprising?

Jack: The uprising that happened at the time of Jesus, when the Alicians were first broadcasted to the world their location and that the big war happened and that at that point, these people, these jinn who assisted in the act, who were the shadow gods, they show up and they help with this situation to suppress the Elysians, because they weren't even with them, they're against them. Right? So they roll up, they help the people. We successfully suppress the Alicians, they give one rule for their whole thing eventually. We want that group of people. So you keep that group of people? Yeah, that's why we've seen that their DNA manages to be completely purified, essentially. Well, not purified, but still diluted, but way less than the rest of us. And it simultaneously managed to be owned by different people, which you think it would mix and be diluted. But still with regardless of whose hands it was in, they followed the one rule of that stays pure.

Cristina: Okay, right.

Jack: And then World War II happens, they roll up, help solve the problem. Now we got the straight of Israel, totally unrelated to f****** Gaza. Just okay, but unrelated to f****** Gaza. They're just. Yeah, we're just taking. We just. We just own that now, guys. And everybody's like, well, they just own that now, guys. We don't. Yep, that's what it is. What the f***?

Cristina: I mean, it was theirs before they got there.

Jack: I guess that's the argument. But there's no such thing. Palestine always owned Gaza. Israel doesn't exist. In fact, Israel is a chunk of Palestine.

Cristina: Oh, but how, what can you do about shadow people?

Jack: Well, we know an uprising happened and succeeded at the time of Jesus. And it was for somebody more powerful, so much more powerful that even the shadow people jumped in to assist stopping the problem.

Cristina: But the shadow people were helping us with the sea people.

Jack: Yes, and then they rolled up and assisted for World War II. And then.

Cristina: Are you saying that someone else or something else is gonna help us with them?

Jack: No, I'm Saying that we still managed to stop the sea people. So an uprising succeeded. So an uprising can succeed, but it.

Cristina: Was with help of outsiders. I don't know.

Jack: Yes, but presumably those outsiders at. No, man, I was. My point went out the window once I thought about it right now. Because I'm gonna say those outsiders at that point were about as technologically advanced as we are now. But that's a lie. They were definitely way ahead of where we are now, even. Yeah, by like, a lot. Yeah, maybe not by like a lot.

Cristina: But like, enough from them to be able to change their bodies from whatever they were to whatever we are.

Jack: Like, we're looking at their, like, crazy tech. Yeah, they're like 2,000 years. No. Yeah, because we gotta think that they were really. When we see them swinging some kind of real ham of technology, it's like still 12, 000 years.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's like fog. Okay, so 12, 000 years before we.

Cristina: Get the crisis, hope that the sea people that are hiding pops up and defends us from them.

Jack: Why would they defend us?

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: You know what's confusing about this? Because Jehovah was like, but you're killing the people and giving them the technology. But I guess when you think about it, it's more about we can't harvest them if they're dead. Yeah, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like, why are you killing the cattle, bro? We can't keep killing the cattle, bro.

Cristina: You can't keep killing.

Jack: It's like. Is that. I guess. Yeah, I guess you could still explain it away. Fair enough. Fair enough. I was gonna try to jump on his defense now, but no, he's still pretty horrible because he was f******. Because I'm like, why is he experimenting on us and then defending us? And it's like, oh, no, he's just making sure we don't die.

Cristina: Yeah, you need some of us alive to continue experimenting.

Jack: Yeah. And you can't just f****** give them all tech and then they all collapse. Yeah, the whole line of the f****** equator, except the Alicia. The Egyptians collapse. Everybody. All of them. Except the Egyptians, of course. Of course. Stop, bro. Lucifer, homie. Come on, bro. I know you mean well, dog. Look, look, Dab me up, bro. You know, I. I respect what you're trying to do, bro, but you keep killing them and, like, they're just f****** dumb creatures, bro. Don't give them this s*** and then show them, and then they're just gonna try to kill the next guy.

Cristina: Yeah, it was just death. Like, if it was making stones, at least that'd be cool, but, like, it was wasted death.

Jack: It was wasted death. Exactly. Just trying to make intelligence happen. And it's like, come on, bro, it takes time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or jump on board the project of breeding something that could learn faster, which is what everybody's trying to do. Why are you just trying to. I guess the shortcut. Fair enough.

Cristina: How they're here.

Jack: Okay. I lost a little respect for him. Fair enough. Fair enough. I see the problem. I see the problem. If we're people of honor and everybody else is doing the hard work and this m*********** is like. But maybe one of them will just miraculously work out and then we'll be done and. Except that never really happened. Playing the slow game might have worked out, but why? Because the ones that went to Norway and the ones that went to the Atlantic can monitor us and watch us and see where we're all. We're almost there anyways. Playing the slow game. Yeah.

Cristina: No countless of deaths involved, except for.

Jack: Like, what we caused to ourselves. And now the problem. Showing the shortcuts. Showing up again.

Cristina: Yeah, the shortcut. Yeah.

Jack: Oh, s***.

Cristina: That is always a danger.

Jack: That is always a danger. Oh, my God. There was a good guy.

Cristina: Ooh.

Jack: Well, it wasn't a good guy. There was a bad guy because a bunch of amoral s*** happening.

Cristina: Yes. So you can't really say anyone was specifically a good guy. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. That's fair. That's fair. So there was a bunch of amoral s*** and then one exceptionally s***** guy who was like. But the shortcut to being immoral.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, if a bunch of them died. Cool, man. But some of them will work out. It's like, what the f***?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Yeah, I guess that's kind of s*****. That's pretty bad.

Cristina: It's pretty bad. Yeah.

Jack: He seems. I guess. Oh, man. Lucifer is clever, Right? Because also the way the argument gets twisted by his point of view is he means well. He wants you to know stuff, but he excludes what the cost is.

Cristina: Death.

Jack: Death, most likely.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He leaves that part out.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, it looks. It looks great. When you look, you don't see the results.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Hey, everybody, eat the fruit. You'll know everything if it doesn't kill you. Is the whole sentence.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: You know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's really the whole sentence. Hey, everybody, eat the fruit. You'll know everything. And then he just, like, you know, mumbled the rest of it. Hey, everybody. Everybody, eat the fruit. You'll know everything. And.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, and it's like, what?

Cristina: We had, like, a giant contract, you Gotta accept. But you don't read all the terms. And somewhere in the back it was like.

Jack: And it was, it wasn't even in the back. It was just really exceptionally small and in parentheses and in the corner so it looks like an explanation to some other. And you're like, well no, I, I understood. I don't have to read the explanation because they lie to you. And like the first five times you see that same format of really tiny in parentheses in the corner. It was an explanation. And you tuned out by the third one. But the fourth one, that's the one that was actually the unrelated true clause.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That you never read because you tuned out. You're like, it's more explanations. And that was clear enough. You know, just.

Cristina: That's exactly what happened.

Jack: That's exactly what he does. He's just smart enough to. He's Fox versus cnm. It's the same information. But you know, he decided to just say but I give you information all the time. And like nothing else.

Cristina: He's as bad as our journalism.

Jack: He's. He's as bad as our journalism. A thousand percent.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That is a fact. I mean. But all sides are. Everybody's just painting their picture.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. Yeah.

Jack: We can't trust any of it. We've even come across any of this information grabbing a thousand different sources at the same time and cross reference all of it. Because everybody's lying all the time. Only what everybody agrees on can we say is true. The rest is twisted by everybody.

Cristina: That's a lot.

Jack: Yeah. Basically, if it's about group A, I need to see what group B and C say. Because group A lied about it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it can't. If group A is talking about group B then I can't ask group B either. I have to look at what group C and D believe about the situation between group A and B. It's the only way I can tell the truth. Cuz both those m************ are gonna be biased as f***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's the only way to ever get data.

Cristina: And that's two will also be a little bit biased because they're getting something out of it.

Jack: Yes. They only wrote it down because of the benefit to.

Cristina: So you know. Exactly.

Jack: You gotta get far enough. That's the problem. If you get too far, the information falls apart. And if you get too close, well, the information falls apart. It's just all lies.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So you need to have this medium of like, I'm far enough that it's not just propaganda and I'm close enough that it's not just random gibberish.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So it's like a cohesive. I can get enough at this distance, perspectives. It looks right. And I get a whole image, which is a pain in the a** that we have to do this all the time.

Cristina: But what's our job?

Jack: It's literally our job. What the f*** else can we do? How else are we supposed to get to the bottom of the truth of the situation?

Cristina: Well, we did it, though. I think.

Jack: I think. I think. Yeah.

Cristina: Unless Jesus pops up.

Jack: I don't know. Well, that's the next problem here, Right? And you know what's really weird about it? But it kind of means the Bible's not lying. Let's think about it. Creatures from the shadow realm, what we would describe as h*** in a Bible roll up.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They begin what we would describe as the Apocalypse. Although it's happened before from our point of view, it's gonna satisfy that idea because they're gonna try to eat everything in Earth on Earth. Not literally eat, but, you know, kill us through experimentation and enslave us. And essentially h*** on Earth for just humans.

Cristina: Okay, Right.

Jack: But then Jesus shows up again. Again is the key word, because it would be again. And so him showing up is like, well, I'mma do what? I'm going to save the people. Specifically, who will? His people and everybody else who isn't the creatures that came from our proverbial h***. Weirdly enough, that's the apocalypse in the Bible. What the f***? But who said it would happen? F****** Jesus. The psychic.

Cristina: That. Yes. Okay. So, like, I also know that that's gonna happen.

Jack: Yes. He knew the whole time. He called it all.

Cristina: I mean. Yeah, that's part of being a necromancer. Yes.

Jack: He just. This is meaningless to him. He knows. He just kind of smacked them around casually whenever he feels bored enough to get involved.

Cristina: For that stone. Maybe.

Jack: He's gonna let them make it, isn't he?

Cristina: Yeah, I think so. Because he's also a neutral party after the disaster. And then we're like, yes, finally. He's finally here to save us or whatever. But it's like, it's really for that stone.

Jack: Yeah. He's gonna stop the rest from happening. But he's like, yeah, the Alicians.

Cristina: Yeah. Like he doesn't care.

Jack: He doesn't give a. He specifically hates them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The Alicia. Yes. No stone. Will he ever want more than that stone?

Cristina: The one out of the people he hates the most.

Jack: Yes. He's been waiting for this day.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He probably been casually feeding these Information to come and take that stone, make it themselves.

Cristina: And she's like, this all probably started with him somehow.

Jack: Yeah, he. I mean, so he called it at the beginning. He literally said every part of it and every part is happening. And he. I mean, he said it's the master plan.

Cristina: Well, this is probably how he got the stone in the Shadow Realms.

Jack: Easily.

Cristina: Because he too overpowered. Yes, but, like, the shadow people in that place are probably shadow people he met during that adventure or whatever. Like, how did he get it? Like, how did he walk in? Did, like, what. What happened to those things that were there? Maybe those were his armies. Because we know he did bring back people. He brought back people?

Jack: Yes, he did. He brought two stones and he brought back people. Yeah. It's a craft.

Cristina: Those could be the sh. Those same shadow people there right now might be his people that he brought back in that moment.

Jack: S***. You know specifically who he brought back. Prisoners of Yahweh.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: S***.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Oh, s***. Oh, man. That's on point. Wow.

Cristina: It all goes back. It does all make sense.

Jack: It does all make.

Cristina: It does make sense. Oh, my gosh. Of course he knows what's gonna happen. Those are. He planned it.

Jack: He planned it. Every part.

Cristina: He's waiting for it to happen.

Jack: Not even waiting. He could have blinked. For him, it could have been a split second. From being over there to being at the other end in the future. At some point, I'm like, okay, now let me collect the stone.

Cristina: Yeah, it's all for the stone. And we're just going to be cool with it because, like, it's Jesus.

Jack: It's. Jesus is going to roll up and be like, that was. Yeah, this was part of my plan.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we're all going to like, oh, yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Like, who's going to say anything? Yeah, nothing's gonna happen.

Jack: Yeah, we're gonna be like.

Cristina: People are gonna freak out and we're gonna have, like, people killing each other. Well, yeah, there's no. No one's gonna stop him.

Jack: And he's literally just gonna prove he's Jesus.

Cristina: Yeah, he's not gonna.

Jack: Like, he doesn't care. He's probably, like, I'm sure Hermes consistently all that. He didn't show anybody how to become. That's different. He had to. You gotta be. You know, you gotta acquire the knowledge to learn how to become a necromancer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But I'm sure he gladly showed everybody how he was a necromancer. You know, just like, oh, that's why the Jesus with the f****** walk on water and wine things casually. These guys bringing people back from the.

Cristina: Dead just to show.

Jack: Just for show. Yeah, magic tricks of all sorts. Bread and fish and this and that.

Cristina: And it's like, okay, it's gonna be the Messiah. The show all over again.

Jack: Yeah, man. No, I think, I think. Well, it's complicated, isn't it? He really did plan the whole f****** thing. It lines up.

Cristina: Yeah. He's gonna pop up and talked about it.

Jack: He said, oh, yeah, it's gonna happen and there's nothing any of you could do about it.

Cristina: And like his people, he brought them there. They're not just shadow. They're just not random shadow realm people that said, hey, we're gonna protect you. No, they were his specific shadow realm people that told us that they're gonna protect us because he told them to say that.

Jack: Yeah. And he'll easily get rid of the problem.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: This is effortless. You could control everybody effortlessly. They swear this part. They swear this. This is their plan too, I bet. Yeah. I don't think they're word. They think, oh, we're working with Jesus. I think they think this is their plan.

Cristina: Yeah. He brought them back and they're like, yeah, this is what he wanted and that's it. But they're not questioning why. Or maybe they are, who knows? But that's so crazy because he knew and they're not gonna do anything about it.

Jack: No, it's nuts. This is crazy, man. He specifically saved the prisoners of Yahweh, which are the Jews of Yahweh. The tide with Yahweh. He was just. Yo, that's crazy.

Cristina: Then they have to know his plan. They are not just protecting those people out of an agreement to make them into stone. Like it has to be because Jesus want that. And they know the plan is to turn him into a stone so Jesus can have it. He saved them. The he. They must have a deal with him. He's the true devil at the crossroads.

Jack: Yeah. He is the devil at the crossroad. He's the top of it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh. Oh, d***. That makes perfect sense. Well, whatever. We are out of time. But crazy.

Cristina: I understand why the people were afraid. Now we see it.

Jack: Now we see it. Now we see it.

Cristina: Them.

Jack: Yeah. Well, that group of sea people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We might actually see the whole situation.

Cristina: That might be the step to the end of all of them. The first step to the end of all of them.

Jack: Well, it depends, because we still have the people, the sea people at the bottom of the island. They still had the same amount of time to work on their tank.

Cristina: They don't have a stone made out of themselves. That's the most powerful thing I've ever imagined.

Jack: S***. You're totally right. You're totally right, Bear.

Cristina: He has so many. And then he's gonna have this one.

Jack: No, to be honest, the other problem is. No, let me. S***, we gotta get out of here. But you brought up so many points. No, no, no. Let me f****** address this real quick because you're totally right on so many cases. First, the Elysians don't have a stone. Jesus stole all of them. After somehow the shadow people acquired them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The Elysians have no stones. First problem. Problem number two, we're just talking about the ones we know created. But keep in mind we know about others. We're not even addressing twin towers going down. That was definitely one being made. Same people on both sides involved. World War II. Same people on both sides involved. It's always the same groups of people always making the same thing. And so we're assuming all of these stones are owned by the same people at this time.

Cristina: Which is Jesus.

Jack: Which is Jesus. Afraid, like. Yeah, there's no chance. You're totally right. There's no chance any elation is stepping up. There's no chance.

Cristina: Jesus has been making stones all this whole time. All these things have been. It's just him and his people that he has here, disguised as us.

Jack: Alternatively, desperate times, desperate measures, they went into two different directions.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: The people who went west can definitely at this very moment be making pure Elysian stones. If they've gone mad with the need to retaliate. A caste system naturally evolved, and the bottom of the caste system is still equally pure DNA. But now you're the people who will be used to create stones. I'm sure a single Elysian stone, a pure one person Elysian stone, is quite powerful. I'm not saying super, but I'm saying equivalent to like a weak human stone. I think if you have an entire caste system that you can throw, say a hundred thousand people into and say you guys are all the stone and they already have a stone. Assuming they would devolve into that. We don't know how big the civilization is down there. Yeah, it would have had to expand underneath the water over 100,000 years, probably quite significantly. So who knows?

Cristina: Who knows? It's possible, but we don't.

Jack: Also, is Bioshock loosely based on what's happening there? Just saying. Anyways, totally random. Just thought about it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah. Mad stones. And I Don't even remember what my other point was.

Cristina: The Elysians might be having a plan, a backup plan.

Jack: Oh, s***. The people who went north, that's the backup plan. Because what's north? A group of what?

Cristina: Nepalem.

Jack: Nephilim. Is anything more f****** overpowered than a pure clean nephilim, which is a clean 50.50cut of human and deletion DNA.

Cristina: But that is what Gaza is.

Jack: That is not what Gaza is. Gaza is more diluted. It has to be 50. 50.

Cristina: Has to be 50. 50. Okay.

Jack: And that is what exists up north. If they trap and isolate that, then.

Cristina: They have a nice stone and then.

Jack: Breed that over the same amount of time. Keep in mind these groups of people are thinking in their time scales and.

Cristina: We don't know why they didn't stop. Like, we know that they know about those people, but haven't done anything to them, so it could happen. They're just letting them breed in that one specific location just in case of. Yes, there was always a backup. Okay. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Okay, so just theories, you know, just talking about things. There's direction here.

Cristina: Interesting. Interesting. What? What? Craziness. Okay, so there's more. It's not just an easy word for Jesus.

Jack: At least.

Cristina: For Jesus, at least.

Jack: Yeah, there isn't. And it's definitely. You know, it's gonna get crazy. It's gonna get wild in some time.

Cristina: Okay, well, we can all just wait until that happens, I guess. I don't know. Because no one has a real plan anyway.

Jack: And, I mean, I'm sure the plan is being worked on.

Cristina: Besides the people that are trying to escape, everybody.

Jack: Yeah, I'm sure there's people trying to escape. There's the possible retaliation from the Elysian side, but we might. Ha. Man, if there's a can't. It sucks either way. It sucks either way. If this is real and this really happens, it doesn't matter who wins. We're f*****. It would have to be Jesus wins. If the Shadow People win, which I guess. No, it's Jesus. No, it wouldn't suck both ways, because Jesus would stop the Shadow People. They've. They're gonna be tossed away. Easy. He explained that plan. Yes, but no, he still knows what's gonna happen. The Alicians can't beat the plan. They think they can. Yeah, but he saw that fail too. He saw their plan. He saw their plan. He's a necromancer. He knows it worked. He's been on the other side. He saw it. That's why it doesn't matter.

Cristina: I don't know. Maybe he hasn't seen that specific plan.

Jack: Everything has come true. That's overpowered. Come on. That's pretty.

Cristina: Maybe they're so secretive about that plan that they don't really have that as a plan.

Jack: But how? He's psychic. He could just. He still knows that.

Cristina: That could be.

Jack: Unless they're somehow blocking it out.

Cristina: Yeah, they can't. I don't know.

Jack: Well, I still don't know if his psychic ability allows him to zone in on people like that, but I don't know. Anyways. Anyways, if you guys. Yeah, there's a lot. There's too much. If you guys have any information that you want to give us on any of this, if you guys have any perspectives or data or any. Anything you want to talk about, you could do that. Hit us up on our social medias. You can communicate with us doing that at just Convo pod that's on Tik Tok, Facebook, Instagram X.

Cristina: And remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And word of mouth is the most overpowered thing that's existed in all of history. And look, I always think this s***'s almost ending, and then another door opens and then it's infinite.

Cristina: You'll never do. Never close. It will never close.

Jack: It will never close. And it makes only more sense as time goes by. It's maddening.

Cristina: Yes, this has been the Rambling podcast. Take Nothing Personal and thanks for listening by.

Jack: Sa.

May 04, 2024

Rambling 272: Where To Go From Here

May 04, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

What is the ultimate goal of the Necromancers, of the Research Groups and their Experiments? What is the purpose of their actions? Who is the good guy and the bad guy in the story? The duo take a different approach to the Data relative to the Elysians, Necromancers, everything surrounding them and more in an attempt to find a cohesive direction to go. In this episode, the duo attempt to zero in on what they should be looking for!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Philosopher Stones
The Teachings of Hermes
Elysians (Atlanteans)
The Three Realms
Creating New Realms
Becoming A God
The Universal Arrow

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Tristina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today as we have gone on an infinite spiral of unpacking, I don't even know what the context of what we're talking about is. For anybody who's followed along this psychotic road. You know what I mean? Anybody who just stumbled into this episode. Good for you. This is both a ending and. Or beginning.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Because there was too much. I successfully found absolutely too much information. And I sat and I thought about it. I even told you that what we're gonna be talking about, it's gonna be really open ended. But then I had more time to think about it and I'm like, this is absolutely too structured. It's. I don't know where we're going. And because we don't know where we're going, we follow random threads and we go random places. So there's no focus. So today I want us to end that. That stops here. And we're gonna either stop talking about whatever the f*** this is or we're gonna focus and try to actually understand what the h*** it is that we're trying to find. Because.

Cristina: Specifically related to the necromancer or all of it.

Jack: Oh, exactly, Exactly. About Jesus. Or is he a part. Because right now it looks like he's.

Cristina: A part like him too. Like everything. All the.

Jack: What does it all have to do.

Cristina: With all of it?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: So this is the conclusion.

Jack: Not. Not even the conclusion. This is. This is us trying to understand at a deeper level and trying to process it in a meaningful way that gives us a direction to go in because it is kind of aimless. We started at a unicorn and ended up at Jesus Christ and the Matrix. Come on, man. Like, yeah, it's. Come on. Where, where, where are we headed? We know something is weird because there's always this air of a lot of people go missing, important, powerful, colossal level God tier things just poof out of existence at random moments. We don't have any answers for that. No information. It's all theory, speculative at best and has almost no evidence or any. Anything. We're talking. Where is Eloi? No mention of him ever dying. We have no mention of Yaldabaoth ever dying. The closest thing we got to Jesus dying is him under a different name. But we don't even know who's Jesus at any given moment or who's just some imitation or what the h*** is going on with that. A lot of people disappear. We know that they all disappear. There's a lot of people who know how to. We know of it. Looked at the beginning like getting to the Shadow Realm was a difficult thing. But as you look more. It's mainly within secret societies. A lot of people know how to do it. A lot of people know how to get there, especially the Vikings. They had an entire force dedicated to murdering s*** and being able to rip portals open and cross through. Like, get the h*** out of here. Like, that's fire, dude.

Cristina: That's the. That's disturbing. But okay, yeah, they were the ones drinking blood.

Jack: Yeah. And they were the ones hearing the voices and entering sacred lands just by. It was like, okay, great, fantastic. So that's not as secretive and crazy as we think. Everybody's doing it.

Cristina: Yes. Because the Shadow Realm creatures have a difficult time getting here. But once we open a portal over there, it's super easy for them to come through.

Jack: And portals are many different things. We consider portals. Oh, there's a round little gate. But that doesn't make sense. That's our visualization of a doorway.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Really, a portal is some sort of frequency, as far as we know. And if you had two radio stations that were very close frequency, you could kind of hear one on the other. And if you slowly turned it to the station right in between, you'll hear them both overlap. Like you hear one and the other simultaneously. You can say earthrealm is one station. Two stations away is the Shadow Realm. And that middle station where you get kind of both of them is the tunnel you use to connect the two points.

Cristina: The tunnel is the fairy.

Jack: No, the tunnel. I guess for a necromancer, yes. But in the case of, like a normal person, we're just talking that the doorway we imagine is incorrect. The better way to think about it is this frequency where really you're tuning in. You're kind of phasing from one side to the other. A doorway isn't a hole was ripped and a creature came through. No, it's a weird, other complicated feature that I can't. I actually don't know the. The mechanics behind it of how we end up with a lot of fear concentrated in one spot. And then we get the manifestation of creatures native to the Shadow Realm that I don't get. But that seems to be how it works.

Cristina: How exactly?

Jack: What is it that the more fear, the More kind of they phase. They're phasing from their. Out of their place into this place. Because it's sort of relatively the same, kind of complicated.

Cristina: Because it feels like a situation where it's like you hear about the story about like the Boogeyman and then like if you say his name three times. But like, if that's true, how like kind of like what came first.

Jack: You're talking about Candyman. You're talking about all these like sort of Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice or Mary in the freaking Mirror or whatever.

Cristina: Like people are able to do this. Did they do it first accidentally and then these creatures came through, or did they know about these creatures?

Jack: Why have you never said this before? This is a really good point. This is a really good point. There's a. Even casually, we have gateways. Dude, we never thought about this, but literally seances. And when you think about Ouija boards, even if the board itself is doing nothing, you get a bunch of people who think something might happen.

Cristina: And enough of them idea into their heads that something might happen. Where does that.

Jack: I think it happened naturally. Obviously. Creature gets scared. See, the thing. It. It probably. We were probably even more close together before humans came to be. Humans might be the only ones not in. If we go into nature where the monsters and the demons exist, maybe that's a little more accurate than we think.

Jack: Because you look at the idea of these locations, it's where. Where the humans aren't. Because animals will feel fear on a more normal basis. They're not rationalizing it away. They're not sitting at home like, oh, no. That's obviously just the. You know, there's no. There's no rationalization to it. They're not thinking about the other whatever the f*** they're like, oh, no, the monsters coming. Because that's what it's like in nature. It's like, it's gonna kill me because I don't know what it is. Let me be in panic. Fear automatically happens, and then it just generates some other thing that could eat you. Okay, so it's whatever. It's just nature. We then rationalizing it kind of mentally created the distinction between this barrier and that barrier. Holy f***. That's literally what Hermes is talking about.

Cristina: Oh, no. What?

Jack: Holy s***.

Cristina: Wait.

Jack: No, that's literally it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So there is no barrier.

Cristina: We made it up.

Jack: It's mental. It's somehow psychological. And we physically implemented it. Because again, I think about what I just said. Think about what I just said. It's absolutely natural and normal. For a creature, nature to feel fear, that is part of nature, it keeps you alive. And in doing so, you'd bring in another creature, probably the creature that preys on the creature you were scared of initially. Thus the cycle of life. And then humans come into the picture. We start thinking really hard, where do humans come from? Yaldabaoth was thinking really hard. And somehow that leads to starting to make a distinction. He thought so hard a distinction happened. And so we then within the said distinction, instinctively always make distinctions. But within nature there's no difference. Did Yaldabaoth make this realm or was this somehow always here? And thought makes us think of one coming first and the other one second.

Cristina: Possibly.

Jack: If it's all always existing, then there was no beginning to it. One didn't make the other. They are always one piece, which is literally what it says. They're sort of the same program. It's. He didn't make earthrealm. Earthrealm is a bubble with walls built inside of the shadow realm.

Cristina: It.

Jack: We are just a shadow realm.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We're what you call. If you decided, f***, California. That's a mess. We're gonna wall them off. That's exactly all it took. And then boom, they called it Earth Realm. Here we are.

Cristina: And that's. But Earth. But the things on Earth did that. Not Yaldeville, I guess.

Jack: Yes, right.

Cristina: But then it's.

Jack: It's a combination of both somehow, is the argument here. He somehow was the catalyst to a state of thought that made us literally wall off something that, in other words, we might be able to just perceive.

Cristina: Now we have to be tricked into letting these things in.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: When they should be able to, but they can't because our walls in our mind or whatever the walls are creating.

Jack: And then there's the individuals who know how to simply dissolve those and bend reality, which isn't bending reality is how reality was meant to work. Yes, but we don't. We limited ourselves so heavily. Well, that makes a lot of f****** sense. Suddenly. I guess not following the line was way more useful because it allows us to just really unpack. There's so much to unpack.

Cristina: Yes, there is.

Jack: And this makes a lot of sense, I think.

Cristina: I don't know. It's fairly random. But we got something.

Jack: Yeah, this definitely feels like something, but it feels like something we wouldn't be able to research.

Cristina: No, I don't think so.

Jack: It feels like something we can't follow, but makes sense based on the conclusions.

Cristina: But we know Hermes talked about it like it's there. It Was always there.

Jack: Yes. We just didn't understand it incessantly. Talked about all the time, forever. It was. He literally. His teaching.

Cristina: He was telling us.

Jack: And he broke the same teaching up into three different methods. And he taught it three different ways to three different kinds of students based on the ability they had and the information they had. He was very, very determined. This is how it works.

Cristina: Maybe he'd be proud of us.

Jack: He would be proud of us.

Cristina: But.

Jack: Okay, okay, let's follow this thought. Let's be logical adults here and say we are going to. We did discover it. Okay, Point number one accomplished. We get it. I get how it actually makes sense that it didn't exist. There is no shadow realm. There is no Earth realm. There's cohesive thing. And chances are that's probably how it works based on what we're seeing with Elfim as well. So there's no differentiation.

Cristina: There is no. There has to be. I forget because, like, you have to kill the fairy to whatever. I don't understand.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know.

Cristina: Never mind.

Jack: We don't have any. No, it doesn't make any sense. I don't know. It breaks down pretty hard. It kind of works like science does. Like, if you go far enough, it just falls apart.

Cristina: Yes. We have pieces there. It makes sense, but it doesn't make sense because there are actual barriers. So then did he make them? He was the one that made them.

Jack: No, because the way he describes it, a name that translates to our understanding as physical beings in our language, as a forest. That's not something he by description made. That's something that by description happened when.

Cristina: He murdered that fairy.

Jack: Yeah. It wasn't like, here are walls. The theory is he then took advantage and built around it. But what the f*** does that mean?

Cristina: What does that mean? But yes, he definitely did. He definitely did. I don't know how, but he did. We know he did. He saw beings in this new space. That's still that space, but somehow different. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know either, man. There's some. Something weird there. And also, what the h*** is wrong with Loi, dude? Why, like, what do we. First, we're not even sure if his. Because, like, the title is Loi. I'm getting that. It's either a last name or a title. We're unclear. But, like, he didn't have a lot if his last name was Loi. Did not. Or he didn't. Like, he invented last names. What the is happening? And that's why we know him. He invented last names, and he's famous for that, but I got lost. We just know Loi.

Cristina: No, I don't think so.

Jack: So, yeah, he had a name, and it wasn't Eloi.

Cristina: No. Wait, why wasn't it?

Jack: Because. Why would he not. But didn't. What the f. If he was the first? I mean, he wasn't.

Cristina: He wasn't. Who was the first?

Jack: Many. There were many. He's one of them.

Cristina: Crap. Okay.

Jack: He's just one of them.

Cristina: Oh, he was lying in the first one.

Jack: No, he was a guy. He would have had to been born like anybody else. Oh, so it's slow progression. There were many.

Cristina: Okay. I don't know.

Jack: So it's weird.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: He's not the first. He has a first name. Or is that his first name? And we follow that last name. And the like people aren't link, but they'll go by that name because they are assuming the role.

Cristina: Well, then who is the hero of time?

Jack: Well, the one we call Loi was the first. He did have a name. And we don't know if Eloi was his first or last name or a title awarded to him, but whatever he. That's what survived.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And that's how we refer to him. The question is, was that the last name? Was that the title? And if it is, what was his first name? And Yahweh was his son.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Jehovah was his grandson. Son of Yahweh, all with Eloi in the back or all part of something. And they're not related.

Cristina: They could probably not be related because of the time zones.

Jack: I think, additionally, it leans more into being a title than a last name when you consider the fact that Jehovah did not have the stones, but Loi did. And when we find the stones again, Jesus is acquiring them from the Shadow Realm. So we still don't know why Eloi doesn't give them to Yahweh and Yahweh doesn't give them to Jehovah. We just know Eloi has two of them. And then we go, we come back to Jehovah looking for all three of them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then we don't know anything about Yahweh. Who should have had them.

Cristina: Yes. Why? But yeah, they can't be related because, like, why didn't they just pass down?

Jack: Why didn't get passed down? Why did it immediately get lost? Or did it get passed down and where they know enough about Yahweh and he lost it somehow.

Cristina: It would have to have been Stolen. It can't be lost.

Jack: If that did happen.

Cristina: Crazy thing to be losing, like, if.

Jack: He did have it. Yeah. It got stolen.

Cristina: I would think so. Like, there's no way that. I mean. Oh, no, no.

Jack: Not with what it is. Not what it is. It might be the most important thing ever.

Cristina: That's too random. But then again, like, the way Jesus. No. Yeah, but he stole it too. And he did it easily.

Jack: Easily. It took him a day, maybe.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Maybe less, maybe.

Cristina: I don't know. His story was epic, though, of getting those songs. Yeah.

Jack: He's also kind of exceptional, like, I think.

Cristina: But I don't know what happened to those original ones.

Jack: And then he also has the ability to be necromancer. Come on, Manny. There's something wrong with this guy. He has to be the most op. Even Hermes has to be shook by Jesus. If Jesus could do what Hermes can, what can't Jesus do?

Cristina: I don't know, because he's probably not even here anymore.

Jack: And we keep calling him Jesus because we're Westerners, but really we're just talking about some kid named Emmanuel.

Cristina: Well, he changes his name also.

Jack: Jesus was one of them. Exactly. We just know he was really, actually literally born the first instant mentioned and seems to be the most repeated name that echoes through other cultures is Emmanuel. That seems to be the most consistent. Emmanuel is what his name was. So some dude named Emmanuel was just a f****** savage?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And, like, could do whatever, whenever, however, wasn't even doing bad with it. He was just telling people, like, you.

Cristina: Could do it too.

Jack: I don't give a crap. Nothing matters because you're God. You, like, you calling yourself God isn't cheating if you can do whatever the f*** you like. I get that. It's not literally I was born from a star or some crazy s*** like that, but what the f*** would be the difference at that point?

Cristina: Well, Hermes is as powerful. Like, how are you choosing?

Jack: I don't know if Hermes is as powerful. That is a problem, I would guess.

Cristina: Because of how powerful Santa Claus is.

Jack: Yes. But let's assume Jesus, who has three stones, maybe four, and Jesus, who not only has all those stones, who he had. He could just make a stone. He needed these op. Specialized stones.

Cristina: To do what?

Jack: I don't know. But he has them. And it was effortless to get them. Whoever had them is dead, presumably because what.

Cristina: Or.

Jack: Or even within the shadow realm, his abilities are so savage that he can just pop in, pop out, and you don't even know it's gone. I Don't know the caliber at which he went. And the same f******. They got it.

Cristina: Well, we don't know if it was a day.

Jack: Literally says three days.

Cristina: Oh, that's so dumb. That's so dumb. But that's part of storytelling. That doesn't mean that it actually happened three days.

Jack: It says everywhere on earth that has ever reported about this one guy vanishing. It says everywhere. They were all impressed. It took three days. So either he's OP as f****** s*** and there's no comprehension for just you walking down a hallway of Nothing but demons 30 times your size and you're just John Wick your way straight through that hallway. Effortless. They don't even touch you. They couldn't touch you if they wanted to. You just make it to the side unscathed.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Or there was f****** nobody guarding that b****. And it's like you just happen to know. Exactly. Exactly. The only option here is he's more powerful than whatever the stole them the first time, which successfully took them from arguably.

Cristina: How did he know? Like, how could it be that fast? Like, even. How could he know?

Jack: I think he does have telepathic and psychic powers and a bunch of crazy. I think it's so old he just.

Cristina: Knew where they were.

Jack: I think he's.

Cristina: Because he's just new.

Jack: Or maybe he just didn't. I mean, Santa does.

Cristina: I know he knows.

Jack: Like, he knows whatever the f*** he wants to know.

Cristina: I guess so.

Jack: I guess this is the power of a necromancer. Okay, it's just the power of a necromancer. Look at it like this. Let's unravel some more of Hermes logic, right? The barrier to everything exists because you built it. Additionally, there is no differentiation between that and this. Us and them. That's all simultaneously the one same thing. So really, my knowing where it is is as easy as me deciding I know where it is because that is where it is. Because I know.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Do you see the problem? Like, if you understand what he wants you to understand, what can't you do?

Cristina: There's no stopping this guy.

Jack: Yeah, it's as easy as, well, I know where it is because I know everything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And because I know everything, I know where it is. It must be here. And then you go in and say, because that's the only place it would have been.

Cristina: What's the point of doing anything?

Jack: You can't stop him. But he has to be. I guess the caveat. And I think this is where we all f*** up. I think this is where it Stops making sense to all of us. And I think somebody did a really good job about explaining this logic to us. Weirdly enough, it was Nicolas Cage in the movie Next, where he sees into the future by a very specific margin. But there's a trick to it. He doesn't always see the future all of the time. He thinks about it like a thought. It's a thought he can have towards the future. Mm, Interesting perspective shift. Now, let's apply this in real time. Santa doesn't know what everybody does all the time. He has a bag with a wormhole that connects somewhere. He shows up because he has the magical ability to teleport. And then when he's there, he can think about you and gauge what when he gives it to you that night. So the same effect takes place. He had to think about it in a moment, but it's fine. He's everywhere all the time. At least from our point of view. He had to think about it. Now he's not thinking about it all the time. He doesn't just know everything all the time, but if he was in a fight with you, he's just thinking about what you're doing next. You're never landing a hit.

Cristina: That makes a lot of sense. You see, he knows. Yeah, he just has to think about it. Like, even though. Like, the part of him knowing whether you're asleep or awake.

Jack: Like, not literally, but he could.

Cristina: Like, he could if he's there. And he didn't have to be there about it.

Jack: If you just thought about it.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah.

Jack: He doesn't know who the f*** you are. So he doesn't randomly just know what the f*** you're doing. But when he shows up at your house, well, he's here. He could think about you. No, it works. And it solves for X or whatever. Interesting, right? And it allows us to have a situation where. Well, we have instances of Jesus being, like, duped or moved around. But how? Well, he didn't know what to think about. To dodge it, you have to be looking for it. It's a thought. You have to think about it. And if he's not thinking about it, well, that's the way around. Except you don't know what he knows and what he doesn't know. Because he can just jump in your mind. Because he could just bend s*** with his mind.

Cristina: Why didn't they just murder him?

Jack: He was an experiment and the idea was to see how it goes.

Cristina: I don't know. I feel like the moment they up.

Jack: I know they up, they f***** up. I don't know if they f***** up. He doesn't seem to give a. About anything.

Cristina: Possibly. Unless they're all dead. We don't know that either.

Jack: Murdered them all.

Cristina: There might not be any.

Jack: Jesus happens. And the amount of silence it just follows exactly is absurd.

Cristina: Everything.

Jack: Everything can be dead. Everything.

Cristina: We don't know.

Jack: Silence from every direction. All of it.

Cristina: Except for creatures here and there. I guess.

Jack: Yes. But they're not even from here. They wander in.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This mean that's 99 of what's left creature events. But we have and weird instances of relic ship being found and people being where they shouldn't.

Cristina: That's it. But the humor. Everything.

Jack: Dude. He's born. We got years of people running and hiding and shifting and changing narratives. Changing entire empires built around correcting the existence of this guy. And that's dies and then it's all gone with him. Just poof.

Cristina: But then it could just be. They're really good at hiding after that. I don't know. It's so.

Jack: It's because. Yeah. The biggest issue is the creation of the church happens simultaneously with the birth of Jesus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Not simultaneously literally but within the same hundred year period. So the correction effort that is monstrously educated and sophisticated coincides with the existence of Jesus who just shows up. It could really be that it's too risky. And too many people saw where we are. We just moved and we changed the story. And so you guys just don't know. And so it looks crazy. And they're invisible because they're just good at their job. Or they're dead. Everybody's dead. All of them.

Cristina: Easily either one.

Jack: And we're not part of the beef. It was those f******.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So he's just gone because he finished the mission of murder Everything.

Cristina: Or he escaped. I don't know. Yeah.

Jack: I'm assuming that's what it means. That he just left.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know.

Jack: He just dipped out and left this realm.

Cristina: But we'll never know if they're still alive. But I'm guessing they are because we still have the be the triangle doing its thing.

Jack: That's right. We got this whole thing happening up there. So they're still down there. If they're not then at least for however many thousand years their systems have been running in the cloud. People don't even know.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. I guess that's possible too.

Jack: I don't know. You know Like. I don't know. I don't know man. I don't know. I don't know. You're telling me that the Mayans and the Egyptians and the Greek and. And these guys and those guys, are they alive? So everybody just dips. Everybody just hides sophistication. And it all disappears with them. All the advanced technologies, we just get shreds that obviously they couldn't bury a hundred thousand percent of it. If they got thousands and thousands and thousands of years of recorded history, but they remove all of it, then many thousands of years happen and things get buried underneath and we lose history of how things happen and blah, blah, blah. So they relied on time. Because time stops being a factor when you can live really long. Because they can plan for that. They can plan like, oh yeah, I could f****** live a thousand years. Whatever.

Cristina: That's true. I don't know. Okay, yes, there's factors here.

Jack: We forget all the time the fact that longevity is just casual here.

Cristina: But we don't really know how long. No, they can live forever because they figured it out.

Jack: Yes. Literally in text it says that several different instances. I believe it was three. We got a mention of Azazel figuring it out. Azriel. My bad. Azriel figuring it out. As part of the Garden of Eden group, which seems to have been in connection with Hermes, who himself was already a necromancer, who by default seems to have the ability to have the ability to make themselves immortal. So it's like there's mentions of immortality. We also know Merlin was also immortal. We know St. Nicholas is also immortal. And based on those examples, we can speculate St. Patrick is too.

Cristina: He has to be. I don't know. And is he still around? I don't know.

Jack: So like, what is. What is all of this? What are we even talking about?

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Like, what is this topic? What are we talking about? That is the problem. What are we trying to figure out? That is the problem. What is the point? So what? Where they went? Is that the goal? Or who? Why? Why what Jesus did? Question mark. What is the point? Yes. Okay. The truth is out there. About what? Everything is a lie. Apparently. So what the f***? Let's just accept it's all a lie and keep moving on. Yeah, exactly. So where we aiming? That's what I don't understand. It's like. It was interesting when it seemed like it was going somewhere, but now, f***, everything is a lie. So who the f*** cares then? If everything is a lie, then what does it matter?

Cristina: Does not. Because nothing's real. I don't know.

Jack: Exactly. So then just call it all bullshit and continue with your day. But no this is a f****** program. And we're expected to report.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So where do we lean? What we have to. There has to be a focal point that makes sense to move forward because where the h*** do we go? Is it the stones? No. That's a tool. Jesus also seems to be a tool of sorts who just happened to be a living one.

Cristina: Mm. Everything that there's too much things we can't figure out though.

Jack: But do this. Any of these things. It just feels like answers to trivial s*** as opposed to like knowing like, what is the. I just wanna. The question of the question. Not the answer I'm looking for. The question of what are we looking for? If I can answer that question.

Cristina: Answer that question. Yeah.

Jack: Because the answer to that question will give us a question.

Cristina: What are we looking for?

Jack: Yeah. If we could just answer that. No, because we're not looking for Jesus. We have. It was hard, but once you find the first thread. Now we know. We literally traced his every step until he died.

Cristina: Is the end goal. But I don't feel like it is because the end goal might be just going out of the matrix.

Jack: Which. What the does that even mean if we can't access that? Yeah, but it's not because getting the stones would in theory just allow you to accomplish that. Or not even just getting the stones, but being able to move from one system to the other. Which was yelled about this initial thing. So still hearing stories after that point defeats the purpose. It couldn't have been the point. You see the problem?

Cristina: We can.

Jack: We can rule things out.

Cristina: That makes it easier.

Jack: I don't know. Yeah, but it doesn't help us know. I mean it does its own things. And I suppose this is definitely not about getting out. It's not about the stones for sure. They're a tool.

Cristina: But what could it possibly be that's difficult because Jesus is high up.

Jack: Necromancers.

Cristina: They figured out everything. They figured out how to live forever. They probably figured out how to be happy. Unless it's about being happy. Like what could they possibly be needing? We're wanting.

Jack: Who's the bad guy in the story? Who's the good guy in the story? What's the problem? What's the problem?

Cristina: What's the problem? Is the problem.

Jack: Yeah. What's the problem? There's a lot of information. I guess there isn't a problem. I guess what we're really uncovering is just a bunch of suppressed history. It's just stuff happens. Life junk and junk. This stuff. It was just stuff that happened. We're Just investigating stuff. There's no goal here. Sometimes there was war, sometimes there wasn't. Some people were starving, sometimes there weren't. Some people had God, sometimes weren't. A lot of science, a lot of technology. These guys like those guys. These guys argue. That guy's really good at his thing, that guy's really s***** at his thing. So they fight a lot. This guy's opinions, that guy's no opinions. It's just people. We're just uncovering people and a lot of secret society people. So it's like, oh my God. But it's just. It's just people.

Cristina: It's just people.

Jack: If we just uncovered secret societies, now it's just a bunch of douchebag politicians and a bunch of rich a*******. Like that's it. That's all it f****** is. There's nothing else. And some celebrities who don't happen to be f****** either. Whatever. Either way. It's just those bubbles ultimately. And that's not anything. If we really observe them, they're not running the world, just idiots trying to outdo one another and trapped in some other system that they're part of or whatever.

Cristina: The probably involving blood, but at some point.

Jack: But even that far up, it's just like more living. It's just part of their world of living. And it looks crazy to us, but they're probably looking at some. They probably look at us ignorant as. Like, look at them thinking blood is ignorant. Stupid animals. And then meanwhile there's some miles ahead of all of them. Look at these ignorant still using blood like some primitive fat.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, you know, it just is infinitely up and infinitely down.

Cristina: Yes. So where.

Jack: Because like Hermes said, as above, so below and everything mental and blah blah, blah.

Cristina: But have we explored it all?

Jack: No. H*** no. It's infinite because it's just people living.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's countries, less people obviously, but it's still countries and that's still people and it's still science and it's still wars and it's arguments and debates and faith and society. And the cool thing he did that we recorded because it was cool.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like it's just all the same s***, this history. Not to say if that at that point. Because we can keep digging under that logic instead of trying to zone in on something specific. We now have enough threads to pull on that we can kind of investigate this world accurately without it being about anything and try to investigate just things that connect to us directly. Or is there a f****** point I don't? Because the fact that they didn't leave. And we're still hearing stories.

Cristina: But we're not hearing stories. We're just uncovering old stories.

Jack: Old stories.

Cristina: So there might not be any new stories unless we can. And how do we go about finding those?

Jack: Well, we get to the 1500s and we come across aliens. Not aliens. Come across the Rabbi who makes the golem.

Cristina: That's not that.

Jack: And he's hearing Jehovah dark, which is really just Yaldabaoth. Come on, man. 1500s, it's not that long ago. That's not that long ago. That's still the Alaba doing something.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: And from where nobody found you. You're not. Jesus didn't kill you. Okay, guess. Fair enough. We got the answer to that one. Jesus didn't kill the other Baoth. Did Yellabouth have the stones? I don't know if he has the stones. Did he? When Jesus did he have them originally? And Jesus got them from him because he's definitely who tells the Rabbi how to make that f****** thing.

Cristina: But why?

Jack: But why? But why is the goal like that?

Cristina: Doesn't even feel like it was for anything. Just to see a new thing existing, something very controllable. Yeah, it was.

Jack: Yeah. There was very little about what the point was elaborated on. It was.

Cristina: But it wasn't like they made more. It was just a one time thing.

Jack: But he was instructed quite directly and it was quite pressing to make the thing. And so he did. But why?

Cristina: Why?

Jack: It wasn't for the Rabbi. The Rabbi doesn't matter here. He's a tool. We can throw him to the side. Why the golem? The golem is also a tool. But the point of that tool. Why? We know the point of the Rabbi as a tool. Make the golem. What's the point of the golem as a tool then? Do the what for who? Who are you?

Cristina: No, because he didn't seem like he did it much. He didn't do much.

Jack: No.

Cristina: He was just doing random crap for.

Jack: Him, like, I don't know, bodyguarding and s***. And then he would just deactivate him at random.

Cristina: Yeah, it doesn't seem important.

Jack: It doesn't seem important. Yet here we have an instance of yellow. So it's experiment. It was just to see if it worked. There's still something happening. It was just to see if it worked. That's even weirder that there wasn't a goal for it. It was an experiment.

Cristina: What was he made out of clay?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Or something?

Jack: Yeah, yeah. He animated random s***. He managed to bring some bullshit. He made a homunculus yeah, he brought some random s*** to life.

Cristina: Did he use blood for that? Or stone?

Jack: He did use blood. Children?

Cristina: Oh. Oh. I don't know. I don't know. What. Okay, so is this where we're going? Where are we going?

Jack: I don't know where we're going. I know we're going.

Cristina: I don't know because there's Nothing now though.

Jack: 1500, that's as close as we got. Arthur happened before that, I believe. And if not, pretty close. We got closer. We got Antonio Draco. That 1700s, late 17, early 1800s. That's not even about anything. That's just some guy who knows about the place. That's not anything that has to do with these other people.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Most recent catastrophes we can try to link to things for the sake of blood or whatever the h***. Making stones or some. One thing or another.

Cristina: And you don't think alien abductions and all those stories have anything to do with it?

Jack: That could definitely just be. Yeah, for sure.

Cristina: Okay. But not to do with any sides specifically.

Jack: Yeah, I think it's just events. I don't know if it's. That's the biggest problem. Like, what's the picture here? Yeah, there seems to be that there is still a picture. I can tell you why. Very specifically. We had the moon landing race thing, the space race, and following us, doing that, we finished and we. That's it. We just got the thing. Accomplish the thing, whatever the case might be. There doesn't need to be an infinite amount of moon related things because it was accomplished. We hate each other. We did the thing. F*** you, we're done. These people hate each other and there's no reason for them to be working together. So they don't. A lot of these work together and then people like Greeks and the Elysians don't. But still the Elysians who work with the Greek, with the Egyptians and the Mayans and the Greek who work with whoever the h*** they're doing, are still aiming in the same direction. There's a goal they have, even if you and I don't know what that goal is. These are independent parties. The Elysians are not only an independent party, but they're an independent party who have two other parties that assisted them for the same goal of what? So much so for this goal of question mark that arguments that broke people out of groups, got all those people together to form yet another group in the shadow realm for the same purpose of this.

Cristina: Which is.

Jack: Which is what? They keep doing the same thing for what There is. There is something.

Cristina: The love of science.

Jack: It's not the love of science.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's too identical, what they're all doing. Okay, that is a problem. If it was the love of science, then all of their loves of sciences would. But how is it that even random geneticists from over there come in and it's for the same purpose.

Cristina: What's the purpose?

Jack: The purpose. Random engineers from over there come over.

Cristina: Here and seems like they purpose everything.

Jack: Out, yet still they're looking for.

Cristina: What are they doing?

Jack: Do you see the problem there does. There is. There's a bunch of stuff painting it, pointing in one direction.

Cristina: It's not to get out. Maybe it's to get more in. Maybe they want to make another layer like we are to the Shadow.

Jack: Oh, I've never thought about that. But we do that ourselves, you know, when. Like the Hedron Colliders, essentially, that.

Cristina: That might be their thing too.

Jack: Yeah, I guess.

Cristina: But like, we don't know because, like, the Shadow Realm gets so much from us. What if we're trying to get something too? I thought we have so much already from us. But maybe digging deeper, there's gonna be more stuff. Whatever this stuff is.

Jack: That's so abstract.

Cristina: Yes, because you know how they're feeding on us, so maybe we want something.

Jack: We do feed on them, don't we?

Cristina: We don't feed on the Shadow Realm creatures. They feed on us, but not like. I'm not talking about, like, eating us.

Jack: But like, using fear.

Cristina: Using fear. Like. Yeah, it's like it makes them stronger in a way.

Jack: Yeah. They literally harvest our energy for themselves.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Man, I don't know. It's so weird.

Cristina: And like, maybe it's about energy because everything in science, you need more energy. Right?

Jack: But then why are they trying to get over here and we're trying to get over there?

Cristina: We're not trying to get into the Shadow Realm. We're trying to get into whatever is the next thing.

Jack: A lot of us are trying to get into the Shadow. Like. Like most people are just trying to get into the Shadow.

Cristina: Well, those are regular people. That's not the fair.

Jack: Fair. Yeah, those are the people.

Cristina: Like the. The.

Jack: The people who. The Shadow Realm is easy too, are trying to get into Alfame.

Cristina: Yeah, but maybe it's not about Alfame either.

Jack: It can't be, because.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: They can do that. Yes, some can do that. And they'll rather hang out here. Why?

Cristina: Because of what they get from here. But what if the next thing would be even stronger or whatever?

Jack: So the argument Is. It's not down. It's not up. It's down.

Cristina: Yes, it's down. It has to be down. Because once you're up, it's like, whatever you. You got it. It's easy. But like. No, I don't know. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know either. I don't know either, man.

Cristina: It makes sense and yet I don't understand it. It's there. It's there and I don't get it.

Jack: I know that everything is pointing in one direction. That's a fact. I don't know what they're trying to do.

Cristina: They're not pointing up, they're pointing down.

Jack: They're pointing somewhere. They're pointing. So they're all point. I don't know where they're pointing. They're all pointing in the same direction, though. They're all pointing in the same direction. The. Some of these, like I said, some of these people hate each other and will opt into working with one another for this thing through that hate. For the whatever. For the whatever the f***.

Cristina: So is that the question? Is that what we're looking for?

Jack: I guess. I guess the one and only question we're trying to figure out is what is their goal? That's it. We don't care about who's involved.

Cristina: No. Because they're all involved.

Jack: Everything, all of everything that has ever happened is about this. Yes, we do it. And we don't even know what the f***. People at random are f****** trying to do the thing without even knowing they're trying to do the thing. The point of every part of everything that we can perceive is to somehow be the best at doing that thing. And some do. And so society happens around that individual and they build mega things and some are whack average normal people and nothing happens. But the point is that everybody has the potential to do whatever the f*** this is. So that the one exception, if we go back far enough like, like 150 episodes, and we go back to an episode where we were trying to really comprehend God Jehovah. There was one interesting feature that seemed to be in some of these stories. And it's the idea that this creator didn't no longer want to be a creator. His point was to get something to evolve to the point that they can replace him so he could go to the next thing. Do you remember that conversation?

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: Everything, all of everything is aiming in one direction.

Cristina: I think it's the opposite, though. I don't think they're trying to escape to the fairy realm, which would be reality.

Jack: It would be more about what Hermes is talking about. It's not out, it's in.

Cristina: It's in. It's in.

Jack: Out is so easy for him.

Cristina: Out. Yes, out is easy. And then once you figure out how you figured out this area, whatever this.

Jack: Is, all of this. Because you can see from the outside.

Cristina: Easy. But then you want to make your own.

Jack: If you can. That's genius. If you can look at your universe from the outside. European.

Cristina: Because you're like a God, but you're not a God. You're a God. You're a God when you can make your own realm.

Jack: Yes. Oh, s***.

Cristina: Which is down. Which is what the goal is.

Jack: It's down, not up.

Cristina: It's down.

Jack: It's to make a realm in which you are literally God.

Cristina: Yes. It's what whatever the shadow realm guy did.

Jack: Yes. And it's literally. This would actually correct for language that we don't understand. Literal sentences that don't make f****** sense that conflict with things. This actually fixes it. Think of something like Worship me and no other gods that comes from directly an individual who knows he's not, but has the goal and the purpose of making himself a God through.

Cristina: Everyone wants to be. Mel. Is that her name? Meb. Mab.

Jack: Mab. Yeah.

Cristina: The goal is being Mab.

Jack: The goal is to be Mab. Yeah.

Cristina: Because like, she's not the only one. But she is the one for us at least. She's the goat. She's the. She's the God.

Jack: Yeah. She's the top of the point. We can see so far.

Cristina: Yes. But there's others like her and they're probably all equal to her, but she's still the special one.

Jack: And she. Well, to us.

Cristina: To us. Exactly. So I think that is it.

Jack: And it's. The point is to be the special one to something else.

Cristina: Yes. Don't know why. No.

Jack: But the argument would be. And here is where I would argue. Let me throw some. Some thoughts at you. To try to confirm what Hermes is saying simultaneously. Right.

Cristina: He's saying all of it.

Jack: Well, listen to me.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: Okay. It's pretty simple, Right? So have you ever tried to talk to an ant? And if you did, would the ant know you're trying to talk to it?

Cristina: No.

Jack: No. Right.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: No, it wouldn't. It has no idea, no matter what you do. It wouldn't comprehend.

Cristina: No.

Jack: If an alien sufficiently advanced enough came to talk to you and it tried everything in its power to. But it's just so it. We. We're not even registering that it's talking to us?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I just taught you the border of the realm where one exists and the other doesn't. And it's entirely based on a f****** gap of information. I just showed it to you and I didn't need anything else. Think about that real quick. You do not exist to the f****** ant. That's a mental border.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The alien does not exist to you. That is a mental border. It can try to talk to you any and every day, but you're not ready for it. But when you are ready for it, it'll just f****** be there. Like it was always f****** there.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: That is the f****** border of the realms. It's a level of understanding. That's why it's information. That's why he said you don't need this other s***. That's a download that's gonna hit you with a lot and it's gonna f*** you up.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You don't need it. You could just get there. It's here. Here is there?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You just gotta know how it is here is there. That's what meditators tell us monks and these people know. It's all. There's nothing. It's all the same.

Cristina: But can they get to the goal? Like it seems like they still can't go make a new thing. Like even Hermes doesn't talk about making a new.

Jack: So it must still be hard, even if mental.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The argument must be that somehow I can think. Think something else into existence.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And there's a way to do it and I just don't know how.

Cristina: I think that's the goal. I think so. Because like, it's the hardest thing possible. Like even just thinking of.

Jack: And you had to get through science to get there.

Cristina: Yeah. Like maybe Hermes was trying to figure it out and that's what his teachings are, Trying to help someone eventually figure it out. But I don't think he got it. No, not that part of it. Like he got a lot of it.

Jack: Of course he got the farthest.

Cristina: The farthest. But I think we know where he. Where he couldn't pass. Where they might all not be able to pass through.

Jack: But does the border make sense? Yes, it does, Right? I think we're starting to understand Hermes.

Cristina: A little, I guess. But like you think. But he. This is his research. I think he has to have been helping them for this, right? Maybe.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. There's no mention of down. There's only mention of out.

Cristina: Yes. There's only mention of outs. That's Too complicated now. We gotta look. We gotta. Okay, maybe that's where our next thing.

Jack: Is then try to find down.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Does anybody try to find down or ever mention it? And what would down be if both Shadow and Elfhame are up? What the f*** does down mean? You'd think, oh, based on our interpretations of language, Hel is always down. But that's not the case. No, that's also expansion.

Cristina: You gotta re. Look at a lot of these things because it might be there somewhere.

Jack: And we just so much in front of us.

Cristina: Because problem is rereading.

Jack: Yeah. Rereading with new context changes what we find.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like. That's why it's infinite. We can just keep infinitely digging into anything. So that's why direction matters.

Cristina: So this might be the next thing then Maybe. If we can figure it out. If we can't, then I don't know.

Jack: So what's the ultimate goal we're looking for? Seeing if they're trying. What. What down are they trying to get to?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or can we find that they're trying to get down?

Cristina: Yes. Is that the actual go?

Jack: So can we find that they're trying to get deeper? What for?

Cristina: What for? I don't know. Because there always seems to be. I don't know. It has to do with power maybe.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Like it seems like everything is infinite anyway. But they want more.

Jack: They want more of something.

Cristina: I don't. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know either, man. It's a little absurd.

Cristina: I think this is where it's. What's next. I don't know. Maybe we don't find anything.

Jack: We don't find anything. But it's the direction to look. We still got Yahweh shelf. There's a bunch of Yahweh stuff I've been looking at. Not necessarily stories about Yahweh, but mentions of individuals I think might be. And it's like. I don't know, whatever. Somewhere to go. But like everything is somewhere to go is the problem.

Cristina: You'll find this answer that we're looking.

Jack: For this new or the stones. I really want to know. It's. It could help to track the stones because that seems to be a strong. Like it's important to accomplish the whatever. So like a lot of people are. We're at least closer to the whatever with the stones because they need the stones for the whatever. Even Jesus, who I thought was the whatever, went to get the stones.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So the stones are connected to the whatever. Yes, whatever that might be.

Cristina: Which makes sense because the first whatever was the fairy stones.

Jack: Yes. It was this random occurrence of whatever.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we did whatever. Yeah. It's just whatever that happened. Here we are.

Cristina: Death that's created a stone or not a stone. Tree. I guess it was a tree, not a stone, but whatever.

Jack: Because he had a stone. I don't know. It's so. Because you were always. We're also literally talking about the moment before what we considered the universe existed. So, like. Like we're not gonna find the answer to that one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's like not even a written story. How there wasn't anywhere that existed to write it.

Cristina: Yeah. His son could have written it.

Jack: Weird. I mean, I guess after he came over here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Fair. Fair. How do we know about it? It is at least what we know is written somewhere.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So, like, what we know was written.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So somebody f****** mentioned him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. Fair and fair enough. If we talked about it, it was written. There's no exception. We can go and find out more.

Cristina: Or even if there's not more. We just need to relook at what we've seen and see. Like, did we see something and didn't know what it was? And now.

Jack: Yes, that's actually. And there's probably a lot of that.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot that we got to reevaluate because we figured it out more. I don't know.

Jack: We get more information and then it's easier to understand other random crap. That's really the infinite cycle. You got to keep revisiting. The same expertise is about coming to something with the eyes that you learned. It's sort of being a writer. Right. Any writers or any painters or any. Any. Anything listening creators, they know the following process, which goes as follows. You begin creating whatever you're creating. And you don't know what you're creating, but you thought you did, so you start making it. And by the end, if you're writing, we'll call it a draft. So you finished. And if you're painting by the end of the session, but by the end of the draft, I guess it's easier to explain what writing. You get to the end of the draft, and in writing it, you learned kind of a little more what you were trying to write, what it was about. It was not what you thought initially. It never is. But also your skill level came up enough that you can go back and you're a little better to work on some things. So you start the editing process because the skeletons are right. And in the editing process. You see all the problems and you fix them. Or so you thought. You saw the problems as you go through it. You start writing down the ones you didn't have solutions for that you start going through. And then you make it to the end and you realize, holy f***, that was a lot. But the ones I stumbled at the beginning, I figured out by the time I made it to the end I can go fix those. And so you start going through it and you develop the skill necessary to catch up to the ones you're going to come through as you work through it. But you spot more. Because you have the skill to spot more. Do you see the problem? It doesn't stop.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You could do this forever. A writer has to do what? Choose when it's done.

Cristina: Okay. But this isn't done.

Jack: Exactly. We have to choose when it's done.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because all we can do is become more expert of this. And also we have no idea what the f*** the goal was. I don't know if we can find out. But that's a great direction.

Cristina: Hermes wants us to continue.

Jack: Hermes is pretty in there. He would know.

Cristina: He needs us to continue.

Jack: And he knows what the goal is.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or I don't know that he has to. Right?

Cristina: He has to.

Jack: If anyone.

Cristina: And Jesus does.

Jack: And Jesus does. We. Do.

Cristina: We.

Jack: Okay. So let's. Let's think about this. We believe Jesus knows. We believe Hermes knows. We think the Elysians know. We believe all the research groups. Yeah, all of them. They know. They're working towards it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Who else knows?

Cristina: Probably all the necromancers. Whether they're part of it or not.

Jack: Fair. Just because. Information.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they need a lot of it. Which means they've probably stumbled upon or do it between or around just to.

Cristina: Get to where they're at. They had to know.

Jack: A bunch of shadow individuals know. But some of most of them are.

Cristina: Also part of the group. Yeah. They're in part of the group. So it doesn't matter.

Jack: I don't know. There are the. I like one thing I do like about this. It feels way more believable because we also come across random f****** stories that have nothing to do with anything. Like the judge was just some s***. Just some. Just a story about a guy whose sister was connected to a main character. That's it? Yeah, that's it. Unimportant.

Cristina: Turned her into a main character. Like if he didn't stumble upon this.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. Really. It's the story of her. But his story is cool.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: He's the only reason she has a story, I guess. Yeah.

Jack: And her story is way more important. She's literally in like shaded places with the. The girl that then became an important girl over here. Yeah.

Cristina: Weird. Okay.

Jack: It is weird, man. It's so strange. There's so much weird crap going on. Anyways, so that's what we got. We. I guess we're gonna. I guess the goal is to look for individuals, man. Hermes is right somehow. And it's weird. And like, the more I think about.

Cristina: It, giving us the answer, we just have to.

Jack: We're done.

Cristina: Think about it.

Jack: Yeah. That's all it is. According to his own word.

Cristina: He's got it.

Jack: It's there, it's there, it's there. If we. If we don't. We don't have to go. We don't have to look at anything. According to his teaching, a hundred percent of it is there. It requires no other information. We're just stupid. That's it. And if you think about it harder, it just makes more sense. The fact that I could think of a possibility of what a barrier option is, that I could just think away and put that into words. I just. Alan Watts for a moment. That's how I feel about that.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But also, was Alan Watts a f****** necromancer?

Cristina: We should look into Alan Watts, I think, because, like, I think you should take a note on that. Like, I really think he might be. The things he says, he says too.

Jack: Effortless, it seems too understood, too, like.

Cristina: Yeah, like, he might not be the strongest necromancer, but he knows he gets it.

Jack: He at least knows surface level s*** student.

Cristina: Like, he never became an official.

Jack: Yeah, like, I'm sure Alexander the Great. Yeah, he didn't become a necromancer. But man, was the op enough to be impressive.

Cristina: Like, yeah, like they might have been students, but never like passed the test.

Jack: Like, yeah, exactly. Like, he seems op by our standards, but not op enough to pass that test, homie. Yeah, but still by human standards. Most impressive s*** we've seen.

Cristina: Yeah. So we might be able to find stories about student necromancers. There might be a lot more stories of student necromancers than Kangaskhan was in there somewhere.

Jack: We're talking this guy f****** terrorized and manipulated and controlled things larger than most earth sized countries. That's crazy.

Cristina: If not, maybe he had someone or something with him. Whether it was an ecromaster or a. What are those guys called?

Jack: Naga.

Cristina: Naga. That's what I was thinking. Maybe we should look at him too, because, like, That's a little. I don't know. That's a lot.

Jack: So, yeah, it's a lot going on there. He did a lot to just be a dude.

Cristina: So we got people to look at. We got people to look at, ideas to think about.

Jack: Fair enough. Fair enough.

Cristina: So we got something.

Jack: Well, I guess, yeah. So we have at least a place to start looking for if you guys have any information, anything you guys want us to look for specifically. Maybe you guys have a direction we can go in, a focal point, something you've seen that you've been screaming at, your f****** thing at.

Cristina: You think that's connected somehow that we haven't talked about or you're so close to talking about or you mentioned but never got into.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. Like, what if? What have you spotted that we're brushing past? And yes, you're like, say it. And we're like, we don't even realize we're not, you know, tell us, send us messages, do that on our socials. Usconvopada, TikTok, Instagram X& Facebook.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And tell people about the show. Word of mouth matters. And they can come and check out. The fact that we're slowly unraveling and apparently still, even when we think about it, still making moves forward.

Cristina: That's awful. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. Good morning.

November 04, 2023

Rambling 250: The Shadow Gods

November 04, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Where did Abraxas take all the stolen data? What did Lucifer do after leaving the Garden of Eden? Who is and who isn’t an Elysian? The duo deep dive into the Elusive Shadow Gods formerly known as Moon Gods and the little that is known of them in an attempt to understand what their research was aimed at accomplishing.

Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Lucifer for the People
Elysians
Lilith and the Adam Stone
Cloaking Technology
Nephilim
Abraxas the Traitor
Shinto Gates

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today we have something very interesting, something we've been looking for for a very long time. And I've been only piecing small things together as we have worked towards finding out about this. So first, we know that Abraxas from the Garden of Eden. No, Abraxas is from the Sun Gods. Abraxas from the Sun Gods. He's the one who left.

Cristina: Okay, I remember that. All right. He left. Yep, yep. He went to the Shadow Room.

Jack: Yeah. And he took a copy of all the data.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we know that Lilith, after she was restricted from accessing her research and from accessing the Garden of Eden labs, herself left.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And she left with somehow. And Lucifer, after his argument with Jehovah about no longer spreading out the knowledge and the technology, also left. Now, a long time ago, about a year ago, we established that there was another group that chances are Abraxas was leaving to. And so we dubbed that the Moon Gods, if you remember, because he left. The Sun Gods.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: And by this time, we still didn't. We weren't sure what the Garden of Eden was. We thought that was either a place or something. And it turns out that the Garden of Eden was the name of the research group, so we didn't know the Garden of Eden name as a research group. And we didn't know what to call the, quote, Moon Gods, as we dubbed them. But just as we found that the Garden of Eden is the name of the Elysian researchers, well, I have found some lovely things about the Moon. About the Moon Gods. I found a bunch of text, you know, slowly piecing together things and the image slowly building up. So today, what we're going to be looking at is formerly known as the Moon Gods. And it was so obvious in front of our faces the entire time. It's the Shadow Gods.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They just referred to as the Shadow Gods everywhere.

Cristina: Well, I wasn't expecting that. Yeah.

Jack: So much simpler than the Moon Gods.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's just a coalition. Now this. I guess we're gonna have to really discuss what we think is happening with these guys because I don't really know.

Cristina: You don't know. You know, that they're working on something.

Jack: Well, we're going to. We're going to find out. So we're going to revisit some of the people we're quite familiar with. And like we've been doing with all the research groups, we're just going to go down all the members of the research group.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: One by one and talking about them. So we're going to begin with Lilith. Lilith is originally from the Shadow Realm and joined the Garden of Eden research team. Now, what's interesting about this is the conflation of time that we still have to figure out because she was restricted from working on the Garden of Eden after she used the Philosopher's Stone Adam. But those events happened a long time ago, before the creation of modern. Like even before the existence of the Garden of Eden, as we're thinking about it with Nahas and Jehovah and all these people. That's happening back then in El's time.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: So did she do it again? Is something I was trying to flip over in my head. This happened once before.

Cristina: Did she do what again?

Jack: She used Philosopher's Stone Adam that now resides in the Garden of Eden. So she used it before and then she used it again. Maybe that's what happened. And then Jehovah was like, nah, you got a pattern here. Leave. Because we're aware of her getting kicked for it by Jehovah, but the first time it was used was during El's time, not Jehovah's time. As a shadow person, she has a different form of, like, how life works for her and how long she could live. So, yes, feasibly could have been in both places, but was this a second time? And that's when she got kicked.

Cristina: I think she did it twice.

Jack: I think she did it twice. I think when it happened with Elle, it was fine because it was part of whatever they were trying to do.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: When she did it again, it was not fine because it was part of something different. We don't use that for that anymore. And you still used the thing that way or whatever the case may be.

Cristina: Yeah, that makes sense.

Jack: That makes sense, right?

Cristina: She's for sure a shadow person.

Jack: She is a shadow person.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: Lilith is a Djinn of some sort. So in Clearis, clearance was removed from the Garden of Eden, so she couldn't access the labs or any of the resources for her own research. After she disobeyed the order to not use this philosopher's son, Adam, she quit and left. Back to the Shadow Realm where she came from. And she left with Samonel, who is one of the members of the team.

Cristina: I Forgot. Was he also a Shadow person or. He was.

Jack: Samuel was an Elysian.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, he was in Elysian. And he's the. He happens to be the. I mean, he's next. We can just read this. So keep in mind we're just talking the Shadow Gods right now. So the next one is Samael, who is an Earthrealmer. He's an Elysian. He's second ranking researcher into the Fruit of Knowledge when he's in the Garden of Eden. And he's a botanist and Earth scientist specialist, as well as. He discovered how to plant seeds of the Fruit of Knowledge on the Earth Realm soil and is responsible for growing the first successful fairy tree with branches in Earth Realm.

Cristina: How do we know that? I don't remember that.

Jack: We discussed this when we were talking about.

Cristina: That was first. Not the other flowers in the Shadow Realm.

Jack: No, that I didn't see. That came first. He's the first to learn how to grow those on this side.

Cristina: Oh, okay. But he's not the first.

Jack: No, he's not the.

Cristina: Okay. I mean, like there was trees before.

Jack: There weren't trees with the branches on this side.

Cristina: There wasn't.

Jack: Those were roots from the branches from the trees in the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Do they look any different?

Jack: I don't know. I've never seen them. The point is, the. The Forest of Shadows is where the trees are, and the roots to those are what we thought were trees. Yes, and then he planted and made a tree on this side and that led to the roots being in the Shadow Realm. So that's what he did. He learned how to grow it on this side instead of growing on that side. So I don't understand your question.

Cristina: What was my question? I don't know. Did they look the same?

Jack: No, before that, like. Okay, because you were trying to.

Cristina: Oh, I just wanted to know if he was the first. But he wasn't the first because they were already here.

Jack: He was the first to make it grow on this side.

Cristina: Yes, yes, but I'm saying it's not the first.

Jack: Oh, no, it wasn't the first, because the first we know was made by Yalda.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In the Shadow Realm. An infinite amount of time before. Okay, and we're talking that this is only happening little about like 10,000 years ago. Latest. 2,000 years ago. Soonest.

Cristina: Do we know where he plant those, though? Like, they're in the lab or are they also.

Jack: He grew. He grew it in the lab.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. He is the DNA donor for Lucifer's body transmutation and later used Lucifer's body transmutation technology and samples of Nahas physiology to alter himself into being an artificial Naga.

Cristina: Weird. Yes. Okay, I remember.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: He used the Naga sort of.

Jack: Sort of had the ability to take the form of serpent at will. Following the procedure, abandoned the garden to follow Lilith after falling in love with her. And he went to the Shadow Realm with her. Next, Lucifer, the leader of the Shadow Gods. That's very important. After having an argument with Jehovah over the sharing of technology, he left the Garden of Eden to create the Shadow Gods research team. With the goals ultimately being to continue the research performed in the Garden of Eden. Things we know about Lucifer while he was in the Garden of Eden. Eden. He was third in command. He was formerly the primary researcher into the fruit of knowledge. 20,000 years ago they learned how to trap Shadow Realm natives in physical bodies like the Earth Realmers. Keep in mind, Lucifer himself is a Shadow Realmer.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: That's why he created a physical body identical to Samael's. And then Samael stops looking like himself anyways. Which that confusion about this guy is identical to Samael. But Samael no longer looks like Samael.

Cristina: No, he looks like some kind of freak.

Jack: He looks like some other. So people thought Lucifer and Tamale were the same guy. Okay, that explains a lot of the conflation that happens.

Cristina: What the story is about them with.

Jack: The stories about them. Yes. Using genetics of sea person, somehow he managed to give himself a physical body identical to some else. When Jesus became a disturbance to the secrets and research of the sea people, Lucifer devised the the plot of the Crucifixion. Unknowing Jesus had already established a way back if he were to die. Lucifer was an advocate for sharing technology with as many civilizations as possible to assist in moving science forward at increasingly faster rates. This includes having reached out to the Egyptian civilization and the Mayan civilizations. Those were his original endeavors. They only existed because he reached out. And several attempts to assist other civilizations that they all did not work out quickly fell apart. Which are the ones we're familiar with along the old equator. Later focusing only on the most advanced of civilizations instead of all civilizations which Lucifer did not like, but he coped with as it was an order from leaders. And when the rest of the research team of the Sea people in general suggested no longer sharing technology with civilization. And that's when the argument happened. And blah blah blah.

Cristina: When he left. Okay, then he left.

Jack: And then finally the guy we know. Keep in mind Lucifer is the the leader of the group. So Abraxas by the way, as far as we know, we have. This is the most group because we have Lilith, who's a shadow person, who's still a shadow person. She's a Djinn. We have Lucifer, who was formerly a shadow person and is now a fake Elysian with Elysian DNA. We have former Elysian Samael, who's now a artificial Naga.

Cristina: Yes, Disturbing, disturbing.

Jack: And then Abraxas, who's an Egyptian, not a shadow.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Abraxas is an Earth roamer, originally a member of the Sun God's research team. Abandoned the Sun Gods when Ra gave Horus supreme authority over solar energy harvesting facilities. Following Ra's retirement, stole copies of most of the research data collected by the Sun Gods and provided by the Garden of Eden. Fled to the Shadow Realm with the data. Okay. We've established the group and the people we are familiar with. And we know that the goal was to continue the research that existed in the Garden of Eden and the research being done by the Sun Gods and the research being done by the Mayans.

Cristina: We have no idea what their end goal is. Like, we don't really know what anyone's end goal.

Jack: We don't really know any. That's the one thing we're all researching. Yeah, something is important that they keep looking for. So let us begin. Baal, known as Beelzebub to a lot of people, is a Shadow Realm native. So he is a Djinn. He is a member of the Shadow Gods. Former military general in the Shadow Realm and he responds directly to Lucifer. So it's. There's very little on this guy. It seems he might just be a guy who communicates only with Lucifer, follows order strictly. And I'm not sure if he is science related or just like a bodyguard.

Cristina: Do you have any stories about him?

Jack: No, what I'm telling you is all I've got. So. Yeah, and that applies for everybody. I'm giving you everything I know about them. I have nothing additional to what I'm saying. It was hard enough to find this stuff. So if I tell you a story, it's in there. If not, I don't got it. And that's literally all I have from this person. Like I don't know s*** about them other than military general. And now you're part of the Shadow Gods. How would you do? You just hanging out, bro. Protect them from what? You're all a bunch of gins and science freaks. Like, who's going to f*** with you guys?

Cristina: Jesus, I don't know.

Jack: Next is Balleth. Balleth is A Shadow Realmer. A mathematician familiar with Earth and deletion technology and previously having worked with an Earthling conducting theoretical mathematics research. His knowledge of the scientific method, mathematics and deletion and Earth technologies, and his personal research makes him an ideal candidate to join the Shadow Gods research team.

Cristina: What's his name?

Jack: Ballet.

Cristina: Ballet. And what human was he working with?

Jack: So he was working with Noah in creating math. He was working out math with Noah.

Cristina: Noah. Noah the ark guy. Oh, okay.

Jack: Which means, bare minimum, this was somewhere after sooner than 10,000 years ago, but older than 2,000 years ago.

Cristina: He's a Shadow Realm person.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. What?

Jack: Interesting, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So he has ventured to Earth Realm in the past, which suggested. This is pretty frequent. This is common.

Cristina: What? Shadow Realm?

Jack: The crossing back and forth all the time. He wasn't part of any. He wasn't part of the Sun Gods. He wasn't part of the. The Earth Gods. He wasn't part of the Garden of Eden. He wasn't part of any of these advanced civilizations. He was just some dude who went and worked with some other scientists. Nevertheless, he was. He was found. He didn't travel initially. I guess Noah or somebody he was working with figured out a portal and they got in contact with Ballet. And then he came over and started working together. So people were figuring out communicating somehow. I mean, there's a million ways to communicate, I suppose, but they were figuring it out.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Okay, so yeah, this makes him. He's very scientifically minded. And to have a mathematician is beautiful because a lot of theoretical science, you could just use that and get through a lot. Helpful, helpful stuff right there. Next. Asmodeus. Cool name.

Cristina: I guess. Is he Egyptian? I don't know.

Jack: Totally sounds like it. So Asmodeus is a Shadowrum. Also a jinn. He is a zoologist. Specializes in creatures of the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Strange, but okay.

Jack: But the science mind is already important there. As a leader expert. As a leading expert. As the leading expert in Shadow Realm zoology and physiology. He gets recruited to join the Shadow Gods to assist in research and to conduct special research into how to create a philosopher's Stone using shadow creatures. That threw me off.

Cristina: He does. Wait, what? Say that again.

Jack: He is recruited. He's the leading expert in zoology and is recruited because of his expertise in zoology and physiology. Recruited into the Shadow Gods to assist in research. All the research you're doing. But additionally, to conduct his own special research into how to create a philosopher's Stone from Shadow Realm creatures.

Cristina: Oh, he's doing that?

Jack: That's his research yes.

Cristina: Is he working with Lilith?

Jack: I don't know. I have no idea. I mean, she's a Shadow Realmer, so I'm assuming. Yes. I'm not a shadow. They're both shadow gods.

Cristina: We know she has been playing with philosopher stones.

Jack: Interesting enough, because it's unclear what Lilith is personally working on, but she was very connected to the philosopher's stones. So I'm assuming that Asmodeus might be working with Lilith. That makes a lot of sense that they'll be working together. Additionally, we thought we. We knew to a very strong degree that the Greek guy who found the magnum opus that tells us how to create a philosopher's stone found it in the facilities abandoned around the Persian Gulf oasis after they were left. After the Alicians left the area, which means it was. It belonged to the Elysians. So there's a book called the Lesser Key of Solomon, and the Lesser Key of Solomon is a collection of works by Solomon, who is ancient and most likely was an Elysian. And it includes carbon copies of the.

Cristina: Magnum opus of a different book. That's the magnum opus.

Jack: The magnum opus is the book that tells us how to create philosopher's stones.

Cristina: Yeah, but that book has that other book.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no. The Lesser Keys. Solomon has the magnum opus inside it.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Like, the whole thing. Which means Solomon was the one to invent the formula. Oh, he made the design for the philosopher's stone.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or at least he's the first to write it down.

Cristina: Yes, he's a Shadow armor.

Jack: No, he's an Earth Roamer.

Cristina: He's an Earth Romer.

Jack: Okay, we've never discussed Salaman at all.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: We just know that he's most likely an Elysian or whatever. He's some guy from the Persian Gulf.

Cristina: Oh, okay. I thought you were gonna say he's, like, working with these people now.

Jack: No, no, I was. I was trying to find out why the h*** the shadow gods are trying to make a philosopher's stone. And the trail led me to find out about Salomon, who initially created or wrote down the original. Yeah.

Cristina: Recipe or whatever.

Jack: Even if Zoe Zozo, Mitsu or whatever crap that guy's name was the Greek who found the magnum opus. He took credit for all of it. Although he himself just said, I found a freaking book. But they're like, oh, you're the godfather of alchemy. It's like, I didn't invent. I just found the book. But it looks like Solomon is the one who wrote that stuff down. At least in These much, much, much older texts that predate the magnum opus by crap ton of time. The magnum opus is featured there. Okay, so bare minimum, he at least knew of it way long before this guy. But it's still not so long ago that it explains how somebody like L had it.

Jack: So at least it corrects the thinking that the Elysians purely had it. I suppose. Although, I don't know, this guy might be an ancestor of Jehovah for all we know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I actually have a question to look for in the future. I'm gonna try to answer this in a future episode, which is, was Solomon L, Lilith and Susan on the same team? Were they all working on a research.

Cristina: Team together, the original team? That's what we want to find.

Jack: Yes. I want to find. We know that L and Susan. Yes. And we know that Lilith was somehow there too. Was Solomon there? Am I finding gradually piecing together what happened back then, even if I don't have any consistent, coherent, just like finding about the sea people in the first place. It took so much of finding one thing here, one thing there, and once you see it, you see it forever. Now you know where to look, say.

Cristina: To find out about Solomon.

Jack: Yes. Once I find out who's on the team and how they connect, then it'll be easy to find all this information. But I. I need. There's not enough pieces yet. Little by little.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. So Asmodeus working to create a philosopher stone. Interesting. And most likely, as you put working with Lilith, that's probably something related to what she's doing next. We have Vine. He is a Shadow Realmer, a meteorologist to be exact. One of the few beings in the entire Shadow Realm capable of understanding how to predict. Predict the erratic nature of Shadow Realm weather patterns.

Cristina: That's very strange. Okay.

Jack: Added to the team to assist with running experiments because the application of his knowledge immediately became paramount in the success of countless experiments.

Cristina: How?

Jack: Well, you need to know that you're not gonna run an experiment and the weather's gonna f*** it up.

Cristina: I wonder how different their weather is from this weather.

Jack: It's just unpredictable. I'm sure they probably have this. I mean, who knows? To be honest, I don't know how rain exactly, but yeah, he knows how to at least predict that kind of stuff using his science expertise. And then they can kind of strategically plan experiments and things go to time.

Cristina: I guess it can't be that insane because people have gone into the Shadow Realm and they can survive.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Like, as far as we know, they have gravity they have air.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: It's not hugely different.

Jack: I haven't thought about that. Air is an interesting one. The fact that they could enter, they could breathe. Yeah. Unless there's something unique about them.

Cristina: These people that go.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Over there.

Jack: We don't know anybody who isn't somehow special going to the other side. We only know of three groups of people. The Elysians, who are not human. By. Oh, by the way that I figured out how to establish that. Yes.

Cristina: That they're not human.

Jack: They're not human. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're earthlings. And they're. They are not human. They're very identical.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But still genetically different than what we would call a human.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But they look identical. So Elysians, the Egyptians, the Egyptian gods, the sun gods and the Mayan Earth gods. The only non shadow people who have ventured into the shadow realm.

Cristina: Yeah, but the Egyptians and the Mayans are still pretty human.

Jack: They've been given. No, we established that the. That they've been given a lot of the things to become immortal as well.

Cristina: Oh, what about the two random people that went into the shadow realm?

Jack: They were Mayan.

Cristina: They're Mayan. Weren't they Greek? The lawyer and the.

Jack: Was a lawyer Greek.

Cristina: I feel like he was.

Jack: I don't know. Interesting because I know he did go in there.

Cristina: Yeah. And I don't think he was related any like to these people at all.

Jack: He was Greek and he took his sister. But also the. Apparently the, the Greek gods themselves also had a lot.

Cristina: Yeah. They weren't related to the gods as far as we know.

Jack: So they are an exception to the rule. As far as we know. We have no other examples other than those two. So there must be something about them.

Cristina: That'S different, something unique.

Jack: And where he went through is also interesting. He didn't go just anywhere. He went through the forest.

Cristina: Mm

Jack: So that's fascinating too. He didn't just go into the shadow realm. He crossed the forest of shadows. Something about that forest of shadows, if air doesn't exist, kept him alive. Or they just have air.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Also, the shadow realm is described to be almost a mirror warped funhouse version of Earthrealm. So I'm sure there's a lot of similarities based on those description.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But yeah, chances are they do have air.

Cristina: I'm thinking, I'm thinking. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. It must be similar enough.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Even if the creatures that are native from there aren't necessarily physical beings, the way we understand physical.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It looks like the world itself at Least holds similar rules.

Cristina: Because when especially we can become things like that, they can become things like us. Like it's some weird connection. We have some kind of connection.

Jack: And when Jinn come over to the Earth Realm, they maintain their physiology from the Shadow realm. Which means their physiology could survive. Yeah, it could exist over here, perfectly defined. The same way it does over there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it tells us a lot about similarities between those two. But that is vine. A meteorologist. Okay, next we have Balamb, another Shadow Realmr. The gym. An engineer. The first engineer we got and recruited into the Shadow Gods for his advanced engineering knowledge. Important details right here. He managed to replicate Elysian cloaking technology using only shadow science.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: No application of Earth science.

Cristina: So the science is different.

Jack: Though the way they approach sciences are different.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I mean, it would have to be. If you're working with ethereal beings, it's automatically something different.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There'd be no way to like, okay, let's do Earth Realm medicine on a non biological. Like it has to be different, but yeah. So using shadow science, managed to replicate Elysian cloaking technology. That's 1, 2. Managed to create a cloaking detector to see cloaked technology, thus rendering Elysian cloaking technology a non problem.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: How overpowered.

Cristina: That's pretty overpowered, yeah.

Jack: That's a savage right there. This guy is dangerous. You're telling me that some of the best s*** Elysians came up with, you're just s******* on.

Cristina: So they got more than cloaking going on for them. If they're still safe from these guys.

Jack: I mean, we know they somehow managed to stop magic.

Cristina: Oh, yep. Okay, nevermind. They probably figured out this.

Jack: Next we have Zagan. Horrible name. Also Shadow Realm. And the Djinn. A violent genius known for his use of earthrealm metals to create Shadow Realm weapons with which he used to commit his crimes.

Cristina: I commit his crimes. Do you have any idea what kind of crimes? So vague, you just know. He's violent. He does cry.

Jack: Former criminal.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: His understanding of how to merge Shadow and Earth technologies made him a valuable seek for the team. Lucifer personally sought him out and asked him to join.

Cristina: Interesting. And his name is what, Zigzag?

Jack: Zagan.

Cristina: Zagan. Okay.

Jack: He some sort of a genius who understands how to merge Earth tech and Shadow tech. He knows how to make this s*** work together.

Cristina: He's just not that different. As far as we can tell. I don't know. Maybe it is, maybe it's not.

Jack: They must be similar enough, even if it's different.

Cristina: Yes, enough that they figured it out. But then like, it seems like the. What are you calling them?

Jack: The Shadow Gods?

Cristina: No, Elysians. Alicians. Alicians have probably figured out Shadow Realm tech. Yeah, so like it's not that different 100%.

Jack: I mean, just think of the Mayans having Ixchell and her using the botanic. Her using botany from the Shadow Realm in order to make. They were trying to make energy from plants or whatever crap. Or life. They were trying to make intelligent life using plants. And it was just Shadow Realm studies essentially that she brought over because she was a Shadow person when she swapped places with Inanna. Yeah. Interesting the fact that they're making weapons.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Why? But also we know that Shadow Realmers, not Shadow armors. That the Elysians have weapons of all sorts.

Cristina: That's true. I guess. It's not for anything specific.

Jack: It's just like self defense. It's just research. We're doing research, that's all.

Cristina: Every. Everything sounds like it's just like we just gotta do more. We gotta figure out more, learn more.

Jack: Things, do more stuff. Like Fantastic, bruh. Now we'll take a weirder dive into Balliol. Balliol is an Earth Realmer. This is not a Shadow person.

Cristina: Okay, just. But he's normal. Like normal.

Jack: He's an Elysian. So he's part of the Sleepy boy. He's an Elysian. He was imprisoned for war crimes against non Elysians.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Formerly military personnel went rogue during the Alician Greco War. Which, as we know, is what the Greeks feared the Elysians for. Because they were so freaking overpowered. That's where they first referred to them as sea people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Responsible for leading a charge that took the lives of thousands of Greek civilians. Him and his men were arrested following these events. It's unknown how he got freed from his life sentence in Elysium.

Cristina: He's. Okay, that's weird. Okay.

Jack: Somebody must have let him go.

Cristina: And then he did somehow end up on the team.

Jack: He must have run away too. So it's unknown how he got freed from his life sentence in Elysium. He escaped and found his way to the Shadow Realm through Mount Kaf.

Cristina: Mount Ka.

Jack: Which gives us at least an estimate that this happened before their move. Okay, so he was already over there before they left the Persian Gulf Oasis. Because Mount Kaf leaves when they leave the Persian Gulf Oasis. Yeah, unless he knows how to get there. Even if it's cloaked.

Cristina: That's possible too. Okay.

Jack: He later returned to Earthrealm and liberated many of his former troupe and took them back to the Shadow Realm, where they became the Shadow God's military force, known as Sons of Darkness.

Cristina: Sons of Darkness.

Jack: Yes. I found that name. It's kind of corny. Yeah, but that's what they call themselves. He thought it was cool.

Cristina: Mad biker that he made a biker gang.

Jack: Made a biker gang. But they. They are the people protecting the Shadow Gods.

Cristina: Which, again, they're Elysians.

Jack: They're Elysians. Yes. A bunch of Elysians protecting the Shadow Gods. Which brings us back to Belle, a Shadow Realm native, a member of the Shadow Gods research team, former military general, responds directly to Lucifer. What the f*** are you doing there? Who are you? They have a whole f****** troupe of m************ that are way more overpowered than you. You're just some random shadow dude. Those are Elysians. They got Elysian tech and weaponry, and they're defending the Shadow Gods. By the way, if. If we rewind the time to about a year ago, before we knew a lot of these finer details, and we look at Abraxas leaving, and before Abraxas leaves, we also knew that Jesus was talking to someone else that we used to call Jehovah of Dark. And we then decided, okay, that's probably where Abraxas is going to go. Conglomerate, make a team.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then a bunch of Elysians happen to be defending that same group of people who are kind of bitter and angry at the Garden of Eden research team. Now, it kind of makes absolute sense why you'd want to hide. They want your research. We know exactly who wants your research.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We know that they are just as good, if not better, because they got a lot of Elysians in there. A lot of Shadow Realm people in there. Yes, yes, they got Egyptians in there.

Cristina: But do they have Jesus?

Jack: I don't know if they got Jesus, but. Interesting.

Cristina: Interesting. Yeah.

Jack: It makes sense for the Garden of Eden to not want to be known by the Shadow Gods. Like, that's our problem over there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or as far as I know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah, it would. It would make a good argument.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That. That's. But again, I don't know what the h*** Baal's doing there. If Balliol has an entire army of Elysians, what the h*** is Bao? He's just some Shadow Realm bodyguard. He's Lucifer's personal bodyguard.

Cristina: Could be.

Jack: Lucifer himself used to be a Shadow person.

Cristina: What do you need a bodyguard?

Jack: What do you need a bodyguard for? From who? You don't trust your own people?

Cristina: From Jesus? I don't know.

Jack: Isn't that what all of Balliol like? Jesus ain't handling Balliol's entire militia. This gay biker gang, Sons of Darkness.

Cristina: Are you positive? We don't know. No one knows.

Jack: And okay, so he can talk. He can easily deal with Balliol. And what the f*** is Bao gonna do?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: You see the problem, right? Like, what the h*** is this guy doing? And there's nothing on him. I looked. Yeah, I'm gonna try harder. There's something about him that's interesting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't know. What?

Cristina: He doesn't lead an army of his own. Like there's not like a. Nope. Whole Shadow Realm army.

Jack: No, there's Shadow Realm militaries. Yeah. But he. He's not. He doesn't have one.

Cristina: Oh, interesting.

Jack: It's just him. Or if it does, it doesn't say anything about it. I don't know crap about him.

Cristina: He has to be protecting someone. Or something. Or something. I don't know.

Jack: Last time we looked into something like this, we found the Naga. Although we got a fake Naga in here. That's another thing. These people weren't initially an advanced civilization. These are all rejects from advanced civilizations. So they don't really have a Naga. Except one idiot who turned himself into one.

Cristina: Yeah. So no actual Naga?

Jack: No actual Naga. Although it'd be cool if they go and recruit the all artificial Nagas that exist out there. Yalda made one. They got the Greek one who's Glykon.

Cristina: Glycon, that used to be one of.

Jack: The Greek gods and became the Naga. Yeah, there's a couple of those weirdos out there. Interesting.

Cristina: He's protecting their Naga. We don't know who their Naga is. If they have one, how they have one. He's protecting something. I don't know.

Jack: I mean, I guess. But they're not a civilization. They're exclusively a research group.

Cristina: They're big enough to be.

Jack: To have a military, I guess. Slowly it becomes its own civilization comprised of all these people.

Cristina: Maybe you should look a little bit into that.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: See if there is like maybe a nearby civilization that would be related to all of this.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. So the question would be, do the Shadow Gods have Naga? Interesting.

Cristina: I still look him up and see if you can find anything on that guy who Bal. Yeah.

Jack: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That's definitely a plan. And last but not least, then we'll try to figure out what the h*** they're trying to do is Azazel. Which is an Earthrealmer, also an Elysian. This guy is Interesting. Considered a genius among Elysians was a prisoner incarcerated for impregnating a non Elysian, specifically an Egyptian woman.

Cristina: What?

Jack: This violated Elysian law, which is why he was in prison. The result of Elysians mating with humans. When I read that line, I'm like, okay, so you're not human. The result of Elysians mating with human women when they are so genetically different, resulted in a third intellectual race on Earth named Nephilim.

Cristina: Oh, ah. Wonder where they were gonna pop up. How they were gonna pop up. So this is the answer. Okay.

Jack: The Nephilim, which previously people were like, oh, it's an angel mating with a. With a human, happens to be this one race of people, the super race, mating with a human and creating this sort of hybrid middle ground. We are. They're similar enough that they can mate. It's like a lion and a tiger are not the same, but they're kind of the same. And then they have a liger.

Cristina: They have a liger. They're not like they're wolves and we're dogs.

Jack: No, because they still manage. I mean, I guess a dog can still mate with a wolf, though.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah, I guess you could say that. They're wolves and war dogs. Yeah. Same idea.

Cristina: Because we, like, as far as we can tell, we sort of. There's something connecting us to them when it comes to the stones. Far, far, far, far, far, far back. I think.

Jack: Yeah, I think they just happen to be. It's the idea of like Neanderthal and H*** erectus, you know, like these are just two very similar, yet two different things and they can still mate. And a lot of people have both DNA. Some people have only one or the other, but they are similar enough that mating became possible. And I think that's the same idea with the Elysians and the rest of Earthlings.

Cristina: What happened to this child?

Jack: I don't know anything about this child.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: I only know about Azazel being arrested after impregnating the lady. And this is the first instance that I've seen this descriptor for Nephilim show up.

Cristina: Do you know if there's any information or you just didn't check out any?

Jack: I'm not looking to that. I've only been looking into the members of the Shadow Gods.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: These questions are going to be answered in the future, presumably because now I know that Nephilim aren't just some made up other s***. There's a place for them in the narrative that isn't warped.

Cristina: Yeah, I thought they would be Related to the Shadow Realm, but. Okay.

Jack: Interesting, right? Yeah, you'd think it makes absolute sense that the Nephilim was somehow be. But Nephilim are just some sort of earthling. A different kind of earthling. Although not originally a scientist or researcher, his awareness and understanding of Elysian technology allowed him to be great helping hand when the Shadow Gods were formed. So he was recruited.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Once his prison sentence was served, he left Elysium. He was shortly thereafter recruited to join by Abraxas.

Cristina: Abraxas, okay.

Jack: Who also educated Azazel on the scientific method used because again, Azazel was not a scientist. Yeah, dude. People. There's some smart dude, random line that makes me want to look into Aziza a little more. The fairy Shiva has stated fearing Azazel's dark personality and high intelligence. This is in Hindu text? Yes. In the text, Shiva mentions fearing Azazel's dark personality and high intellect.

Cristina: So fairies fear him.

Jack: A fairy fears this random elation? Yeah, this ain't even a part of the Garden of Eden. It's just a random elation.

Cristina: But he.

Jack: He got recognition from a fairy. It was like, keep an eye on that guy.

Cristina: He's a fairy killer. I don't know. You don't know?

Jack: Don't know. To the surprise of the Shadow Gods, although never having had a background in science research prior to joining, he picked up not only Elysian science, but Shadow Realm science very well, becoming the most well versed on Shadow Realm science and technology out of all the members in the team, including Shadow Realm individuals. So this guy who had nothing to do with science at all, was introduced to science, figured it out, and immediately became the most dominant force on the team when it came to science.

Cristina: Do you have any idea what his main goal on the team was?

Jack: I have no idea what his goal was on the team. I don't know what most of these people were researching to begin with. That's actually the biggest problem. It was they were all put together and that came up consistently. Consistently. And I couldn't find out what they were trying to do. The only one was Asmodeus with this philosopher stone. The only one that I had any idea what they were doing.

Cristina: Philosopher's stones. And we know Lilith had to do with philosopher's stones as well.

Jack: We know Lilith had to do with the philosopher's son. We know that he's being directed to work. I'm a philosopher. So we know Lucifer wants to share technology. Samael is just there to be there because he's just following Lilith and He'll even offer himself as a sacrifice to science. He doesn't care. That's kind of psychotic. I'll give it that much.

Cristina: He's a bit crazy, yes, but he probably likes the idea of sharing technology.

Jack: Samael.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. Samael doesn't have a problem with any of this. He just. Whatever Lilith wants, he's down for. Then we got val, which is a huge question mark. We have this mathematician who has worked with Elysians and Earthlings in the past. We have a zoologist who's trying to make a philosopher's stone. A meteorologist. A meteorologist who's, you know, just helping with experiments and timing whatnot.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then we have an engineer working on cloaking technology and detecting cloaked technology. We know what he's doing, you know.

Cristina: Yeah, but what is the bigger picture? What is the bigger picture?

Jack: What is the bigger picture? We have a violent genius Shadow Realmer who can merge Shadow Realm and EarthRealm Tech. Fascinating. We have a Philosopher's Stone. We got two people interested in the Philosopher's Stone. We got a fake Naga. We got a fake Elation. We have countless real Elysians. We have a guy can merge Shadow Realm and Earth Realm technology.

Cristina: This group is too big not to have a Naga. It's too big.

Jack: It's the largest group.

Cristina: It's a large group.

Jack: It's the largest group.

Cristina: Yeah, by miles.

Jack: I would argue the second largest is the Sun Gods. That was pretty large.

Cristina: How do we know that Alicians. The lesions are pretty big? Because as far as we know, they probably all are into this technology thing. Even though we only talk about the main scientists, like those normal person is.

Jack: Probably every one of these instances we're only talking about the main scientists, people closest to them. If we're discussing that, then the ancient Greek, not Ancient Greek. The Ancient Egyptians would outnumber all these groups or so would be ancient Mayans. Those were colossal hyper advanced civilizations. They would outnumber all of this. So we're in every instance only talking about Mayan scientists.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And those closest related to the group of science they're doing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because just the Aletians being technologically advanced as a civilization doesn't make them all scientists. And like a lot of them don't do science. They just like. How does your phone work? You have a rocket ship in your pocket, but you don't know how it works. I'm assuming this was most Elysians. You're just civilization. People like Mary didn't seem like a particularly advanced. You look like a volunteer okay. You know, like she wasn't over here like, oh yeah, I'm on my flying thing. No, she wasn't volunteer. She was just in Alicia.

Cristina: She was on a flying thing after she got to the mountain.

Jack: But yeah, let's run down this Lilith. Definitely working on the Philosopher's stone. Samael, the guinea pig. Lucifer, team leader and wanting to share the tech with some ulterior motive that we don't understand. Bao, Not a f****** clue. But as far as we know, good bodyguard, then Balleth, mathematician that worked with Noah. And that's either an Elysian or not an Elysian. As Medeus working on the Philosopher's stone. And that reveals Solomon to us, knowing that Salamon knew about the magnum opus long before Vine. The meteorologist who can just assist us with tiny nerf experiments and has a scientific mind enough to help. Balamb, the engineer who worked on the cloaking tech. Zagan, who knows how to merge Earth and Shadow tech. Balliol. Balliol, who is the. He has the entire militia of Elysians. The Sons of Darkness were so cool. Probably got like freaking biker chaps and what he calls it stupid vests. Has it on the back with like a skull. Sons of Darkness, they're so cool. And then Azazel, this absolutely complicated individual. And we can't forget that Abraxas literally stole the data that they were working on in the Sun Gods, which contained a lot of Elysian data too.

Cristina: And they have a lot of elation data from Lilith and her group.

Jack: Yes. So what's the goal? Why do you need to work on this merging of tech? Why do you need to. Just assuming you got all the data, right? You got Abraxas, who took a copy of all the data. Lilith got some and Lucifer got some. And they were personally working in the Garden of Eden, so they have at least the knowledge, even if they weren't able to take all the stuff with them.

Cristina: They got any Mayans with them?

Jack: There's no Mayans, but we got those three individuals who just have the raw data from research on earthrealm. Okay, so you're gonna continue research, except. No, it doesn't stop there, because then you have Azazel. Doesn't really matter. He's not. As far as we know. We don't know what he's working on. He's just scientist. Not a scientist, bodyguard. But we get to Zagon and it's like, why do you need to learn how to merge these two types of text? Why does everything seem like it requires some interaction between Shadow and light between.

Cristina: Then it has to do with the fairies.

Jack: Right? It's the only way. It's the only way. It's the only thing.

Cristina: The fairy trees tell us that.

Jack: Yes, because that's literally something that's on both ends. Again, that. That continuity of over there and over here, we need over there and over here. And we need over there and over here to work together. And a lot of over there. We need a lot of over here. And we need that to work together. Always.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Over there and over here and has to work together. That's the rules. And it's like this shows up all the time. If Balam working on the cloaking tech, what do you need the clothing tech for? To find what? Are there fairies hidden everywhere? Are they invisible?

Cristina: Are they invisible? I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know what any of this is. For a meteorologist. I get it. We don't need to count him because he's there kind of to help organize when best times of testing is out without hurting people are. So you go do it outside in the field or something. But the weather here is crazy. So whatever. But then Asmodeus with the philosopher song. What do you need another philosopher's son for?

Cristina: What is going on?

Jack: Then again, the argument for this case, maybe he's the least suspicious one here, because the argument could then be, the Elysians have a bunch of philosophers stones. We don't. It's hard for us to conduct these same experiments without it.

Cristina: But also, what is anyone's goal with these stones?

Jack: Yeah, that's the bigger problem. What's the point? Because did they use it to make Jesus? Most likely. So then, are you guys gonna try the same thing? Are you guys trying to make shadow Jesus?

Cristina: I mean, even if you are, what's the point?

Jack: What's the point? Yeah. And Jesus was a failure.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they don't even know how to control that problem. That's just some s*** that's going on in life.

Cristina: It's very strange. I don't know. Because if it was just to improve themselves. This doesn't improve you. This makes a better you. But, you know, like another thing, another living thing that's better than you.

Jack: Yeah, 100%. That's what Jesus turned out to be. Super leisure.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay. Interesting, interesting, interesting. Because if we look at what was happening beforehand, all the previous philosopher stones and fruits and everything put together was trying to make better humans. Humans were the test subject. If it's about making themselves better than humans were the Test subject. Because they took some eight, turned it into primitive humans, to the primitive humans, turned it into modern humans. They applied that to themselves, and you end up with Mary and Jesus. Oh, s***. Okay, so was it always about improving themselves? And we were the guinea pigs? We were the test subjects for thousands of years?

Cristina: I don't know. Because with Jesus, it seems something's just off about him.

Jack: Yeah, but that doesn't mean that. My question is, was the point to improve themselves? I'm not saying Jesus worked. I'm saying that eventually they did apply it to themselves.

Cristina: I wonder in what way?

Jack: Mary and Jehovah both use their DNA, plus some fruits, plus philosopher stones. Boom. Jesus super Elysian. Why'd they do it on themselves instead of on more humans? Why didn't the pattern of doing it on humans continue? They're like, oh, no, we figured it out. Look how good we made humans. Look how fast humans are moving forward now. Let's do it on us. And then, boom. Jesus happened. It's like, no, abort, Abort.

Cristina: Interesting. I don't know. That's weird. That's very weird.

Jack: Okay, don't kill us indiscriminately to make philosopher stones. Our lives don't matter. They test on us. They'll kill us to make philosopher's stones, then use philosopher's stones to make us use fruits. With philosophers, they don't care. There's any pattern that our lives don't matter. We're experiments.

Cristina: I don't know. That's weird. I don't know.

Jack: But then they apply it to themselves at some point.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: On one single instance. Not some mass group of people. A single experiment. If it works, we do another one. If it doesn't, we go back to the drawing board. And it didn't. Back to the drawing board.

Cristina: But that means they'll only use it again.

Jack: Maybe.

Cristina: Or they find some other way.

Jack: Or they find some other way. What's the point? I still don't get the ultimate goal here.

Cristina: No, no. I don't know. Could be the ungo be. What could it be? Because it seems like they live forever. They're healthy. They're like. They have so much positive traits already.

Jack: And they don't stop.

Cristina: And they don't stop.

Jack: It could. Look, it could just be exploration and curiosity.

Cristina: It could.

Jack: Like, the theory goes that on the Kardashev scale, the beings and civilizations on the higher ends have worked out. The. The violence, the wars, the crimes. All that s***'s gone, and existence becomes about exploration and finding new things in new ways.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Could be. It could be that that's what's happening. Like they're bare minimum capable of holding the energy of many stars.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So that's.

Cristina: They're just trying to explore every option.

Jack: Bare minimum. That's level two, huh? No, that's level three. Right. For level one is using all the energy of the planet. Level two is all the energy of the star. So they're like 2.5, where they're using the energy of many, many stars, because three would be a whole galaxy. So they're level 2.5 somewhere, using many, many stars to power all their stuff. So they're pretty. Up there. They're pretty overpowered. But like, why do you keep going?

Cristina: I don't know. Maybe. No, that's weird. I don't know.

Jack: It's weird. And then they apply to themselves. And now these guys are looking into creating a philosopher's song. They're looking into cloaking technology. They're looking into. So are they just trying to replicate things that they knew could be done? Because these experiments are doing. Is from the experiments that existed for the Elysians and the. The Sun Gods to begin with. Zalzab and Garden of Eden research. And.

Cristina: And you're just doing the same thing.

Jack: Yeah, they're just catching up.

Cristina: They're just catching up.

Jack: Yeah, we know how to do it. We don't have the things because we all got kicked or left and so we're catching up.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess.

Jack: Doesn't seem like anything bad is happening.

Cristina: No, we know they have an army. We don't know if that's important.

Jack: Yeah. And the Nephilim is going to be interesting to look into.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because the way it was described is a third intelligent race on Earth. And it's like, okay, okay, fascinated.

Cristina: Find out they're part of Jesus's army.

Jack: Interesting. But Jesus and Mary are both. I mean, Jehovah and Mary are both Elicians, so like, Jesus at least isn't. He himself is just an Elysian as well.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But he's super lean because he's made with a bunch of fancy fruits and some philosopher stones. Weird.

Cristina: Very weird.

Jack: We still don't know crap about Jesus other than he planned ahead of everybody. Like, we knew. He found we knew about the g. The. The Shinto gates before we knew about any of these things. And then when we unravel all these things, the Shinto gates just made sense. And it was like, oh, no. He knew what was coming and he plotted that and say, God d***, dude. He's so far ahead of everybody.

Cristina: Yes, it's very strange because everyone can see him. So you feel like, oh, you know what he's thinking because you seen. But no, you have no idea.

Jack: This ability to be unpredictable. Even whenever. When people can. They know of you before they know of you and still kind of crazy. You elude everyone.

Cristina: Yeah. Interesting. I don't know. I don't know. That's very strange.

Jack: I think that's very strange.

Cristina: What is his plan? What's his end goal? Because he's not. Or maybe he's a scientist on his own. I don't know. I don't know.

Jack: The Shinto Gates tells us maybe because he at least knew how to do that and he wasn't getting help.

Cristina: What's his end goal?

Jack: Also, he took a huge deep dive into working with Adrenocrow. Yeah, you know, he's. He's definitely scientific to some degree. Anyways, that's all I got. That's.

Cristina: There's a lot to go from there, though.

Jack: Yeah, there's a lot of directions to go from here. I want to learn about Solomon and find out if we have an old ancient group of people working together.

Cristina: Salma, baal, the. What are those things called again?

Jack: The Nephilim.

Cristina: Nephilims. Yes.

Jack: I want to know if Salomon El and Susan were working together. Anyways, if you guys want to give us your input on any of this stuff, you can do that on our socials. That's just Convopod on X, on Instagram, on Facebook, on Tick Tock.

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Jack: Yes. And word of mouth tell people we're getting to the bottom of all these complications. Complicated problems based on all the theologies of the world and breaking apart and finding the original text so close. It feels like there's always another question behind a question answered.

Cristina: Yeah. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: That's why they got sloppy. And just all California whole laws dedicated to it. Yeah, let's. Let's let children go missing past law so that we can just take them. Let's do whatever. They got sloppy. Why? They're not thinking clearly. Before it was very organized or hyper intelligent. What does it. What does adrenochrome do to a human? Makes you essentially a vampire. You're smarter than most people. You live longer than most people you like. You know, you get real op. Yeah, but what happens when you don't have it? You become a f****** retarded zombie.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: S***. Yeah, we're seeing that f****** happening. We're seeing the decline from one end to the other, and they're getting sloppier and sloppier.

Cristina: Supposedly, a bunch of children in Hawaii also disappeared.

Jack: Children in California. Children in Hawaii, just poof, gone. Children in Canada. F***. Ton. Gone. Disappeared. But after these laws in California, the children in Hawaii and the children in Canada, well, it suddenly slowed down. Suddenly. Huh?

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: What a shock. Now. Oh, no, wait, wait. We're gonna backtrack the laws in California right after a bunch of children disappeared because laws, they got taken and put into the system, taken away from parents. They disappeared. And then what? Oh, no. We're gonna backtrack the laws. We're sorry. We apologize. Clarity re established.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Elin Taylor and published by greatthoughts.in fox, art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

October 21, 2023

Rambling 248: The Garden of Eden

October 21, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Who were those closest to Jehovah? How did all these individuals live so long? Which experiments did they conduct? The duo finally deep dive into the research team ‘Garden of Eden’ in order to better understand its members and the core principle of their research and longevity. Although a difficult research project, the fruits of the labor payoff because of a simple revelation made which ultimately answers one big question and asks ten more!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Anthroposophy
Jehovah
Nahas
The Real Age of Lilith
Lucifer
Creating Physical Bodies
Highest Garden Clearance
Curing Death
The Messenger
Artificial Naga

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Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this here right now that you are listening to actively is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. It's our job to do so to ground humanity's most absurd, baffling ideas, period. Bruh.

Cristina: Yes, bro.

Jack: Yes, bruh. As you guys know, blah, blah, blah. Recap. Listen to another episode. Anyways, following all that, blah, blah, blah. Listen to an episode. It can't have anything recently. If you're just tuning in, bruh, we've been talking about kind of secret knowledge, I suppose, pieced together by the slightest bits of anything left behind that wasn't suppressed by the Catholic Church, ultimately turning out the fact that the f****** Catholic Church was actually the good guys the whole f****** time and they were suppressing s*** because of darker s***.

Cristina: Well, saying anyone's a good guy is kind of a stretch.

Jack: Fair, fair. There is worse s***, but that doesn't mean they're the good guys, because we.

Cristina: Don'T really know what's anyone's intentions.

Jack: Yeah, their intention could be to take over the universe.

Cristina: No idea. No one's. No, we have no idea who anyone's goal is really, or why. Like, we have an idea of what they're trying to do, but why is anyone trying to.

Jack: Yeah, we straight up have no clue. We straight up have no clue what the motivation behind any of the. What, the sea people, the Egyptians, the Earth. What is it the. The sea people known as. Well, the sea people are Elysium. Now that we've established, regardless of whether they are in the Persian Gulf oasis or in Atlantis. Well, Atlantis is not the Persian Gulf oasis, in the palace of Alcaraz or in the Atlantic Ocean. In Atlantis, the sea people are just a title given by the Greeks and a couple of people referring to them, but their name is the Elysians. Okay, established. A lot of what's happening revolves around the Elysians because they seem to be the furthest up in the totem pole and the first to get to the thing that a lot of others are trying to more or less get to. So because they're the highest up in the discussion of all the others, they're the information that comes across. Although the. The most buried of all of it. The most. It shows up in most places, even if a single line. It shows up everywhere on earth about them. About them. While other places might have a lot of advancement, but it's not really as advanced. And so they're mentioned more. It looks like the further up you got, the less you are mentioned because you also succeeded more in erasing yourself. So in recent weeks, we have discussed the Earth gods, which are the Mayan elite researchers. We've discussed the Sun Gods, which are the Egyptian elite researchers. We've discussed the Naga, which was an enlightening venture. And like I said before we jumped into the night, we're going to be focusing on a lot of individual groups, which is how we did. Which is why we did the Sun Gods and why we did the Earth Gods and why we did the Naga. And we're going to continue. And the Greeks, the Greek? Well, we didn't actually. Oh, well, did we discuss the Greek? No, we were talking about Naga and stumbled upon.

Cristina: I feel like it was so much of the Greeks and how they're related to this whole thing.

Jack: No, we were going. It was episode two of the Naga, really.

Cristina: Oh, okay. I guess they were the center because there's so much you found out about them specifically.

Jack: It was specifically about Glyconic.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Which answered a lot of questions. But following that, in fact, it's all right here, considering I've been, like, building it all up. I know we have. Really, what we were discussing, that were the two important bits, was we were very curious as to why Ophiomorphos, the Naga created by Yaldabaoth, was created by Yaldabaoth in the first place. And we found out that that's a pattern because Glykon himself and Kido Keto created Medusa and her sisters, and Glycon turned himself into a sort of the closest replica, even something an actual Naga couldn't accomplish. Somehow, with the help of that Naga and other scientists, Glykon became Glykon. And so there was a lot of focus on that discussion. But keeping intact with what we've been doing and focusing on individual groups, something interesting popped up. Now, I was looking into all the Shadow People we know, all the Djinn and other creatures that aren't Jinn but are from the Shadow Realm, like Sizen, who's not necessarily a Djinn.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Right. So just looking at all the Shadow People we know, and that episode's coming, I'm gonna have. We're gonna talk about all those details. But in doing so, a couple of interesting things came up and directed me completely away from the Djinn and completely away from the Shadow Realm, back to Earth Realm. So before we jump into that there's an interesting thing to discuss briefly. It's just a word. It's called Anthroposophy. And Anthroposophy is a new day name, a current age name. This was developed in the 20th century by a man named Rudolph Stainer. And it is the study of the shadow realm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This was invented and is a true area of philosophy and thought about how to investigate the shadow realm. Thank you, Rudolph Steiner. We are way ahead of you, bro. But there are normal everyday people who don't have the profession that we do working for the elites like we do. They are slowly catching up.

Cristina: Did you check out what he researched?

Jack: We're going to eventually. Okay, that's not the point. I just wanted to mention that there are people diving in, okay? There are people who are gonna eventually get where we are, maybe many, many years in the future. We have advanced technologies and whatever to allow us to do our job well. Anyways, because of deep diving into individual groups and the things that doing so leads to, I have inadvertently stumbled upon a couple of interesting things. So just like talking about the Naga, specifically the Naga. Just like talking about specifically the Earth Gods, just like talking about specifically the Sun Gods, we have today one important deep dive that didn't seem relevant. But as I go through it, you're gonna notice why it is because we didn't actually know a lot of these questions, a lot of not questions. We didn't know a lot of these individuals. We knew that there had to be more. We just didn't know who they were. And luckily I learned a day. So today we are gonna look into the Garden of Eden's research team.

Cristina: Okay, you found stuff on that?

Jack: I found stuff on the Garden of Eden research team.

Cristina: Is the Garden. Do you know the location? Is it where we think it is as well?

Jack: The Garden of Eden is a research team besides.

Cristina: Yeah, but they're hanging out in one area.

Jack: They were previously in the Persian Gulf oasis and then they are in Atlantis.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: So wherever their civilization is, seems to be where they collect. Where they are most protected and hidden from everybody else. It is very important to remember the Garden is not a place that is.

Cristina: The name of the group hangs out.

Jack: It's just the name of the group. It's a lab. Any lab they can get their research into is their lab. The lab is not called the Garden. They are called the Garden.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: The team, the group of people is called the Garden.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: So let us begin at the top and work our way to very unpredictable places. I warn you, ahead of time. This is definitely going to answer questions we didn't know we we needed to ask, answer questions we had and we forgot about and enlighten areas that have been foggy. Let us begin with Jehovah, the Big Kahuna.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He's one of the members of the Garden of Eden, because that's the conversation. He is an Earthrealmer, an Elysian, AKA a sea person. He is, as far as we know, the highest authority of Elysian, which would seem to be consistent with the highest authority in Egypt being the head researcher and the highest authority in Maya being the head researcher, that is Ra and it's Amna respectively. He is direct ancestor to Eloi, who was presumably the first Earth Realm or contacted by a Shadow Realm individual directly.

Cristina: Great. Is it?

Jack: And not just a any Shadow Realmer, but rather the creator of Earthrealm.

Cristina: Very sus.

Jack: He is Garden of Eden's team leader. Not just the leader of the Elysians personally ventured into the Shadow realms somewhere between 10,000 BC and 13,000 BC to acquire one of each fruit. He went to the Forest of Shadows, retrieved one of each. He's responsible for advancing the technology of the Elysians so rapidly and in such a short time that they've achieved the magnificent levels of tech that they have. He is the founder of the Jesus Experiment, which was about inseminating Mary and half the genetic makeup of Jesus Christ. We weren't thinking about who the other half was. And we know that the stones were used as well as the fruits, but we didn't consider the fact that this lady was impregnated and like. Yeah. So looking into it, it seems that basically her genetic material still required a male's genetic material. It wasn't Joseph, he was a Magi. He's not allowed to procreate. It was Jehovah who submitted his genetic material with a random other Elysian.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Thus creating Jesus Christ.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: With the power of the stones, both stones and three fruits.

Cristina: Magic.

Jack: Magic. Next we have Nahas. Nahas is one of the original members of the Garden of Eden. Just like Jehovah, he is the Naga assigned to Jehovah. His appearance is that of a 2 foot ish, more or less serpent with arms and legs. He is the second in command of the Garden of Eden. Unlike in Egypt where Ra and Atum are 1 and 2 and then their Nagas are 3 and 4. Here it's Jehovah followed by his Naga, which is more like in Maya where it's Izamna. And then instantaneously after Zamna is Ixchel, who's a shadow person. And then comes Szent, who's also a shadow person. So the order of structure doesn't really matter. It's whoever has the most authority, whoever has the most knowledge and power. So that makes perfect sense. So he's an Aga assigned to Jehovah. His appearance is that of a two foot snake with arms and legs. Yeah. And he is the second in command of the Garden of Eden. Meaning anybody below him responds to him. Responsible personally for assisting in the development of the technology that assists the sea people, the Elysians, and makes them particularly overpowered as compared to the rest of the world. And personally assisted in the Jesus Christ experiment along with Jehovah. Let us begin spiraling out ever so slightly. The fourth in command. There's a reason I'm doing it in this order. The fourth in command of the Garden of Eden is Lilith.

Cristina: How do you know?

Jack: Based on the structure that they lay out in all the work. She is a Shadow Realm native. So she's a Djinn member of the Garden of Eden research team along with Mahas and Jehovah. As One of the four original members, she is the first person to use a Philosopher's Stone. Specifically the Adam one within EarthRealm 150,000 years ago.

Cristina: And you made a bunch of shadow.

Jack: People, went against orders and used Adam ahead of schedule and without permission. When clearance restrictions were applied, she quit and left the Garden of Eden research team. Fellow researcher Samael left the research team with Lilith as they had fallen in love. We'll revisit that man very soon.

Cristina: Okay. He's number three.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Third in command in the Garden of Eden. Now we're gonna get to some fun stuff. Lucifer.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: A Shadow Realm native.

Cristina: Another one.

Jack: Another one. We have found the second person in the Shadow Realm who's in the Elysian Garden of Eden research team. Now the pattern is more consistent. I'll tell you something ahead of time. I did not find a second serpent. That I think is extremely weird considering.

Cristina: That it's most teams have to.

Jack: All the major teams. There's three major teams and each one has one of those. They have one that came from the Shadow Realm, an individual from the Shadow Realm with the serpent, and an individual from earthrealm was a serpent. And usually have at least two Shadow Realm individuals in the team.

Cristina: If this team split up, most likely that shadow. No. Then the Naga left with the people that left with. What's her name?

Jack: With Lilith.

Cristina: With Lilith. Yeah.

Jack: Well, Lilith doesn't have A serpent?

Cristina: Well, yeah, it probably isn't her serpent.

Jack: But it's probably right now we're talking about before the team splits up.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I found everybody in the team.

Cristina: Oh, okay, cool.

Jack: There wasn't a serpent. There's Nahas. And I did not find another serpent. Unless it's a case like Glycon, the serpent made.

Cristina: Yeah, that one's weird. That doesn't really count.

Jack: Well, in the case like Glycon, it's really. Yeah, that's made. So there's not like a second natural serpent. Where is the second natural serpent? Why are you guys so overpowered? If there's people with more magic in their team than you guys have, why are you guys ahead? They're two teams. They have twice as much magic as part of their team than you. Why are you the head of it? They're supposed to help. And they come from the most overpowered, most advanced place that exists yet. You guys are ahead. Weird questions for days. All right, all right, all right. So get ready for the things I'm about to tell you. I'm ready because this is gonna get weird, bro. Now we're gonna get weird. And this isn't even as weird as it's gonna get.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's pretty weird, though. So. Third in command of the Garden of Eden, Shadow Realm native. Let us type in. Formerly the primary research directly on the Fruit of Knowledge. He was the primary researcher for that. His entire division of researchers were focused on the Fruit of Knowledge. That was their focus 20,000 years ago. Lucifer learned how to trap Shadow Realm natives in physical bodies identical to that of earthrealmers, allowing Shadow Realm natives to enhance themselves with the use of adrenochrome, which is something only earthrealmers can use. Shadow Realmrs used fear to cross. Earthrealmers use adrenochrome to cross. Lucifer learned, using Shadow Realm science, how to create artificial bodies identical to Earth Realm bodies. For Shadow Realm creatures who are not physical beings, he learned how to become physical.

Cristina: But these bodies are made of bodies.

Jack: They're bodies. They're bodies. They're real bodies. Unlike a Wetchaj, who's ghostly. Windingo, who's ghostly. The Djinn, who are ghostly. They're not physical. They're ethereal. By definition, they're all ethereal. He learned how to trap an ethereal being in a physical body as though there is ethereal existence. Was the soul.

Cristina: What? But this isn't like possession or anything. This is some other thing.

Jack: No, this is some other thing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Some other thing. A thousand percent.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it Makes them capable of enhancing themselves with adrenochrome. So Shadow Realm people who already have Shadow Realm abilities and then have the added ability to use adrenochrome.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Okay, fascinating.

Cristina: They're using adrenochrome makes them capable of using adrenochrome.

Jack: And it also makes them capable of actually eating fairy fruits and getting their abilities. Because people in the Shadow Realm can eat the fairy fruits but just take nourishment from them. They cannot get abilities from the fairy fruits. It's only. I did not know this part. The fruits only affect earthrealm natives. You have to be an Earthremer to be affected by the fairy fruit. You cannot eat the fairy fruit as part of. You can't just be a shadow person, eat the fairy fruit and get anything from it.

Cristina: Be a shadow person who gets body.

Jack: You could be a shadow person who gets a physical body and then consumes a fruit and then has the same effect that would happen to a Earthling.

Cristina: What?

Jack: So he basically made perfect humans? Or not humans, but Earthlings. He can make perfect earthlings. He figured that out? Yeah, with nothing but science. Meaning Yaldabaoth is not the only one who figured that out.

Cristina: Figured that out too.

Jack: Yaldabaoth created this realm?

Cristina: Oh, yes, yes. But we're not Shadow Realm spirits.

Jack: No, he figured out how to make a physical body and put himself into it, which technically Yaldabaoth didn't even figure out. Okay, so fair enough. I see where you come from. So that's already the first crazy thing. Second, using the. Using the genetics of Elysian and fellow researcher Samael, he managed to give himself a physical body which was identical to Samael's.

Cristina: Identical? Why would he make it identical, though?

Jack: I think. I don't. I don't know. I think it has to be. He used the genetics of Samael to make it. And the body looks identical to Samael. I think the body is going to look identical to the genetic host.

Cristina: Okay, so this.

Jack: It's like a cloned body, essentially. That can.

Cristina: Yeah. So, like, for anyone that does this, any Shadow Realm person has to look like an actual. Like a.

Jack: Like somebody who already exists. Which would then the argument be. Is this what we confuse for possession? The person who has been cloned and then this. It's a vessel with no soul.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then gets filled out by a Shadow Realm. Ethereal being is not the same. That person is somewhere.

Cristina: What do you think happened to that person, though?

Jack: I don't know. Well, the body had to be made, which suggests that body is somewhere in the Shadow Realm, where it could have been cloned. Some person gets snatched.

Cristina: Yeah, I mean, they do need that adrenochrome and blood, I guess, from that person.

Jack: They don't need the adrenochrome from the person. They need DNA in order to recreate the body.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The adrenochrome is just a benefit of having a human body.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So essentially, they take the Adri. They, not the adrenal. They take the DNA, clone the body. The body has no soul. They can fill out that soulless body with their own ethereal existence and now control it like they are that individual.

Cristina: That's crazy. So then they might be the demons that we see. Or not demons, but people who are possessed.

Jack: It would just. Yeah, exactly. That person is somewhere freaking the f*** out, trapped and unable to escape. So there's that.

Cristina: So he looks just like.

Jack: He looks identical to Samael. When Jesus became a disturbance to the secrets and the research of the Elysians, Lucifer is actually the one who devised the plan that involved the crucifixion. Unknowing that Jesus, he's still part of.

Cristina: The team then, right? He's not one of the abandoned ones.

Jack: No, no.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And he was unknowing that Jesus had already established a way back if he were to die.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So this was unknown to the Elysians. Specifically the people who needed to know it was unknown to the Garden of Eden. They did not know that Jesus had already built his plan B. Yeah. So Jesus is kind of ahead of everybody. We're over here really thinking it's the Garden of Eden as the top, top, top, top, top. Yeah, but Jesus single handedly is s******* on these guys.

Cristina: Yes, because we thought maybe he was interested in going back or something. Because they're. Maybe they're hiding from him. But maybe that's not the case at all. He doesn't care where they're at.

Jack: Care? He's too op. Yeah, he knows too much without even. He doesn't even know where the f*** they are. And he's way ahead alone.

Cristina: Yeah, they may. Their job is to get rid of him. Yeah, but they still have to hide because they're trying.

Jack: No, he's an unstoppable force.

Cristina: They know he knows.

Jack: Like, yeah, it looks like he might be the real problem at this point.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, legitimately, he might just be like, if you get in my way, I'm just get rid of you. Yeah, well, Lucifer, this is where a lot is about to start making sense. Lucifer was actually an advocate for the sharing of technology with as many civilizations as possible to assist in moving science forward at an increasingly faster rate across the world. The more people that know, the more people, the more minds we can put on the same topics and subjects and research the best of those we can move together.

Cristina: So do you think he picked the specific groups of people that they would partner up with?

Jack: So this includes having reached out to the Egyptian civilization and the Mayan civilization and several attempts to assist other civilizations that advanced too quickly and as a result self destructed. Those were all his thing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Including the civilizations that completely fell apart that were along the old equator.

Cristina: No, he was trying to get them involved.

Jack: He was trying to involve. So the argument was really. Which I believe is one of the following lines. This includes civilizations across the old equator, which were the first to be reached out to later. Focusing on only the most advanced civilizations instead of all the civilizations. He wanted to share it with all civilizations. Take even the people who are primitive and let's force them to quickly evolve. And those civilizations collapsed. Those are the ones that are abandoned across the old equator because he was trying to give it to everybody. Hey, look, there's people everywhere. We can get these people, all of them, to partake in this thing. But they had not matured enough to use these things properly. So first they're excited, then they work together, but immediately devolve into their most primitive instincts and collapse.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: So then the directive became to work with only the most advanced civilizations who've matured enough to deal with advancement, which.

Cristina: Is the top two.

Jack: Which is later focusing on the most advanced civilizations of all civilizations, which Lucifer did not like, but coped with because his. His personal attempts at enlightening everybody was.

Cristina: That hard did not work.

Jack: It was falling apart. It was essentially his fault entire civilizations went extinct. He chose people who were not ready. That's on him. When the rest of the research team and the sea people, all the Elysians in general, suggested no longer sharing technologies with civilizations other than the established relationships. Prior to the move from the Persian Gulf oasis to the Atlantic Ocean, Jehovah and Lucifer had a crazy argument where they completely disagreed. In Jehovah is on the side of we're no. And as a leader, he has the final say. We are not sharing this with anybody else.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: That is done. The people we've established connections with are good. That's who we're dealing with. No one else. Lucifer disagrees. And he thinks the rest of the world is going to be left in darkness and abandoned and left behind this crazy Argument happens, resulting in Lucifer quitting the research team. Although still maintaining his physical form, established through Samael's body, he returns to the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Oh, I thought he helps them with Jesus. Is that after that?

Jack: Probably already happened, considering they're leaving. They're deciding to suppress and hide themselves. That's around the Jesus time. Presumably, he helped with Jesus. Okay, all right. Now those are the obvious people within the team. Let's dive into the less obvious people within the team. Michael, an earthrealmer, an Elysian. He is a military general and Garden of Eden research team member and tactical expert, referred to as the angel of War. Originally joined the team in order to offer his wealth of knowledge and tactical expertise. Grew to be one of Jehovah's closest and most reliable friends.

Cristina: Really? Okay.

Jack: Once Lucifer left the team, Michael was promoted the third in command and was placed in charge of security detail for all of the Elysians in their old home and their new home to come. He is also responsible for personally for forcefully removing Lucifer from the facilities when he attempted to steal the Fruit of Knowledge research and take it with him.

Cristina: Why? He could just. I guess he could just restart in the Shadow Realm once he was there though.

Jack: Yeah, but he already did a s*** ton of research with quite advanced technology and that was his research. That was his research, bro.

Cristina: His research.

Jack: That was his work.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they're like, nah, that's complicated. That's complicated. If it's something like Abraxas who hears some background noise and you're over here trying to steal all the research, you're an a******. This is Lucifer's research.

Cristina: And they're like.

Jack: They're like, no, that's messed up, dude. He got ice out of a company he works at. That's basically what happened.

Cristina: Just because they did it, he didn't agree.

Jack: He got Steve jobbed. You know, the board is like, nah, get out.

Cristina: But it seemed like everyone was behind. It wasn't just the research, it was the whole community. We're like, we don't want to share this with everyone.

Jack: I guess it really came down to the orders of Jehovah. Jehovah was really the individual in charge of all of this. So, like, I don't know if everybody else was involved. Additionally, random other fact, Michael is the brother to Azrael, which is the thanatologist and geneticist of the team.

Cristina: The what?

Jack: The thanatologist and geneticist.

Cristina: And what is the Thanatosis?

Jack: Well, I will tell you. Asriel, EarthRealmer and Elysian. Asriel is the Thanatologist and geneticist, referred to as the angel of Death. Thanatologist is an individual that specializes in studying death, the effects of death, what is lost in death, what happens in death, the psychology, the neurology. They specialize on all things related to death. Responsible for curing the disease of natural death. Amongst Elysians. The reason that they do not die and it is the same people for an absurd amount of time, is because they no longer have natural death. Another reason that they must hide for long periods of time because continues to study with the Garden of Eden as a primary researcher into the Fruit of life. She is the primary researcher of the Fruit of Life in an attempt to solve death from all illness and incapacitations. They can still be killed. So it is important that they don't go anywhere that they could be killed. Hiding is important if you want to continue your research with your sane people.

Cristina: But they can still pretty much survive anything.

Jack: They'll survive anything. They have the technology. But if something advanced enough showed up and decided, I'm a f*** you up and they weren't ready, they could probably be killed.

Cristina: Jesus.

Jack: So that's Azrael, the sister of Michael.

Cristina: That's his sister. Okay.

Jack: Thanatologist and geneticist of a military general named Michael. Now this is fascinating because again, it explains how the h*** these people have lived so long. But also it looks like without the existence of Azrael, Eloi, AKA L, has still been around a f****** infinity. That dude was around millions of years. What the h*** is that about?

Cristina: He ate a fruit. I don't know. Who's the one that was shown into the shadow realm first?

Jack: He was told about it by.

Cristina: But he never went.

Jack: Well, he actually went with Susan.

Cristina: Yes. Come on. I think. Yes, but no.

Jack: That was still such a long time before anything. He was around really long before that happened.

Cristina: But they knew where the Garden was.

Jack: What does that have to do with how long he lived before even witnessing the existence of the fruits? How the h***. There's a huge. Eloi is the most baffling of all of these people.

Cristina: Or maybe it's not the same person. Maybe it's like his ancestor. They name the. You know, the child family name.

Jack: Yeah, I mean, it could be. I don't know, man.

Cristina: And they all know the story, so it's not really crazy or anything.

Jack: When this happens, Susan doesn't state anything weird.

Cristina: But about the shadow realm, they're not freaked out about it.

Jack: But there's nothing being stated like this isn't the same guy, the ancestor of Eloi named Eloi? Yeah, as far as we know, it's the same freaking guy, man.

Cristina: How is that possible?

Jack: How is that possible? There's something we're not understanding about Eloi because it seems like the Elysians did, in fact require scientific development in order to cure death. So then how the. Like, how the h*** was Eloy around so freaking long?

Cristina: Dude, he was drinking adrenochrome or something.

Jack: That'd be crazy. That was around. It could have been the case. Could have totally been the case. I don't freaking know. But, like, questionable.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Next team member, Raphael, Earth Realmer, delician, secondary researcher on the Fruit of Life, right behind Azrael. Elysian's highest ranking medical professional, though a physiologist, medical doctor and pharmacist. Which means between Raphael and Azrael, together they solved death. Death. Prior to the Elysians becoming private with their civilization and technology, he was famously traveling the Middle east providing medical aid and medical support across the Mediterranean region and all of Persia.

Cristina: They knew about him.

Jack: They knew about him. He was everywhere. He was traveling everywhere helping people. He was a sea person on the ground.

Cristina: The sea people didn't have a problem.

Jack: They did not. Because that was still at the time. It's prior to them being private. He was just traveling. It was prior to their privacy. So he was just out there. Everybody knew about them, okay? Everybody knew about the sea people. There were the suit. They were proud. They were proud about who the f*** they were. Next. Gabriel. Earthrealmer, Elysian ambassador and direct assistant to Jehovah, messenger of the Garden of Eden to the rest of the Elysians, and trader between the Garden of Eden, the sun gods, and the Earth gods. This is the literal individual who travels from place to place when something is done. This is the one who risks losing their life or being caught outside in order to deliver the messages and transport the technology required from one place to another.

Cristina: That would be horrifying. Stabbed. Jesus. Probably watching out for him.

Jack: Could 100%. Could totally be. Everybody else is hiding. Everybody's gonna f*** this s***. We're all gonna do our thing. This is the individual traveling. Now, this is an interesting detail that gets mentioned here because it brings up the fact that after they've become private, this is still the communication individual, but after they've become private, the Mayans have disappeared and the Egyptians have disappeared, and still Gabriel is the messenger. Which means there is, in fact, in Atlantis, a connection to wherever the new location of the Egyptians are and the new location of the Mayans are all Three places are still connected, but exclusively to one another. There's no other way to access any of them. But there's ways to access each other.

Cristina: Yes, but he could be like using technology to communicate with them.

Jack: I think they've got portals in these places. I'm pretty sure there's a portal in Atlantis that takes them into the Great Void. And there's a portal in Atlantis that goes into the underground catacomb facility with the storage systems for energy and data that the Mayans have. And the same in theory would apply between the Egyptians and the Mayans. Where the Mayans have a portal from their catacombs to the Great Void and to Atlantis. And the Egyptians have a portal from the Great Void to Atlantis and to the catacombs. This tells us they are all still connected. Even if we can't access them. They can access one another regardless of where the f*** they might be. And we're pretty sure two of them are still on Earth and one of them is somewhere way the f*** out there. But they're still capable of doing their thing.

Cristina: Yeah, well they can't know about Jesus then, right? The Mayans and the Egyptians, if they're.

Jack: Still in communication with the Elysians, yes, they know. They've been informed. Oh, they're not just going to be like we're not telling you. No, they've probably shared every bit of knowledge. Always.

Cristina: Okay, because what did Jesus find them? They're underground. They might not be impossible to get to.

Jack: I'm sure they're pretty difficult to get to. On the flip side, we don't personally know. They could have been destroyed by Jesus a long time ago.

Cristina: We have no idea.

Jack: And we have no idea. We have no clue. And they're all just dead. Jesus single handedly death starred the out of them. Or like Starkiller just went there single handedly Bloodshed everywhere. And they're trying to figure it out. They're super advanced mega ultra weapons throughout here. Shooting him, laser weaponing him down. He's just eating it. Grabbing people by the neck, crushing their skulls like nothing.

Cristina: What would that mean? With their teleporters.

Jack: Then he went to all the places and extinct all of them and everything has failed. Yeah. So I'm assuming they're just fine. Yeah, I'm assuming that they're perfectly okay.

Cristina: I don't think they have a teleporter because I feel like if he just they.

Jack: Because this just established the fact that he's directly. Not just the communicator and messenger, but the trader, he trades between them. If it was just messages, then he's. He could do Morse code for all we care. But no, he's with them, exchanging data and tools and items and notebooks of data. That is the fact of the matter. So they are somehow reaching each other. Okay, that's happening. Gabriel is accessing the Egyptians and the Maya. Additionally, this tells us a lot too. Again, this is him putting himself in danger. He is the primary connection to the Greeks. He's who shows up in Mount Athos. He's the guy. It's Gabriel.

Cristina: He shows up everywhere.

Jack: Nobody else. He's the dude who's in charge of all of us making rounds from one place to another. And because the Greek are way behind. Or so we thought. But now it explains why they have a. They don't trust the Greek. No, but they still know. Now it makes more sense because it didn't before. Like, why are you guys trading with these wack a** people? What do they have that you need?

Cristina: Until we found out.

Jack: Until we find out that they actually do have pretty advanced technology. Although they don't like the Greek. This actually f****** all of it pieces together a lot of s*** we didn't think about before because I was always suspicious. Like, it doesn't make sense. Are you just helping them to not be a*******?

Cristina: That doesn't make sense because there's so.

Jack: Many people they're ignoring. There's so many people, they're just like, die. Who cares why these people you particularly don't like? Yeah, except now we get it after last episode, where we discover with Glycon, there's real sciences that these people have developed that they themselves don't have.

Cristina: Crazy. Yes, they have Freaking. What are they called?

Jack: Naga.

Cristina: Nagas.

Jack: You've learned how to turn a person into a Naga? That's absurd. Right? And like, okay, now it makes sense why they might not be in the loop of the three, but we can't. We can't ignore them either. Yeah, there's a problem there that could become a problem to us. So let's play nice. Even if we don't like them, we say treaty. Even if not, partnership. Additionally, he is the sole communicator between the Garden of Eden and Mary, Joseph and the three Magi. When they are moving from one place to another, that means this individual is using their technology, popping out while an entire civilization is moving from one place to another.

Cristina: I feel like it would be an easier job if he was a Shadow Realm person. He's not though, right?

Jack: They got portals.

Cristina: I know.

Jack: Although as far as we know it seems like the portal has to be established somewhere.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So I don't know how. He must be making genuine trips between one place and another. Making his life the most. He has no other job, I guess so. It's like.

Cristina: It would just be easier if he was a Shadow Room person, I feel like.

Jack: But he's not.

Cristina: But he's not.

Jack: But he's not.

Cristina: Well, we don't know if he's become one. Like, can you become one?

Jack: It doesn't seem we've seen anything that could turn somebody into a Shadow Realm individual. Next is Uriel. Uriel is an Earthrealmer, another Elysian. By the way, we found a crap ton of Elysians for this episode. He is the head of security and the most trusted officer of Michael. In charge of guarding the entrance to the Garden of Eden's research facilities. Using highly advanced technology and known for being as ruthless as Shadow Realm creatures. Are the trespassers just a violent, monstrous individual who's employed by the team. You protect us at all costs. There are. I don't have any other stories written right here, but there are so many stories of this guy being quite gruesome, you would think he's a demon.

Cristina: He's not drinking blood or anything.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no.

Cristina: Just murder.

Jack: Murder. Beheadings, gut ripping, limb ripping. Slow. Like old school, Old Testament, Jehovah, cruelty level types of s***.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This guy was in. In. He's like, I'm down. What? Like they hired a psychopath. And he's like, you're gonna. You guys are okay with me doing this? And they're like, yeah, yeah, we want you to do this. He's like, wow, I feel like I belong now. And then goes ahead and just rips heads off of things 1% of his size and smiles while doing it. That kind of. He's that guy. Now let us dive in to something important that matters a lot.

Cristina: What's that?

Jack: Samael. Finally, an earthrealmer. An Elysian. Now, keep in mind, we heard he fell in love with Lilith, which means Lilith fell in love with an Elysian. Second ranking researcher into the Fruit of Knowledge, right behind Lucifer.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Okay, interesting. Botanist and Earth science specialist. Smart guy. Discovered how to plant seeds of the Fruit of Knowledge into earthrealm soil and grow the tree.

Cristina: He grew the fairy trees.

Jack: He learned how. No, no, no, no. He learned how to grow a fairy tree on earthrealm soil. The fairy tree's fruits aren't fruits on our end. They're only fruits in the Shadow Realm. Oh.

Cristina: But his have.

Jack: His were inverted. He learned how to make the fruit grow on the earthrealm side. What a powerful mind.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This is a skilled individual who has essentially broken the matrix. As far as we know.

Cristina: How do you even do something like that?

Jack: Through botany. We're not going to discuss botany on the show. But through botany, through plant growing, watering, and that's not stuff.

Cristina: There's way more to it.

Jack: Of course. It's science is responsible for growing the first successful fairy tree with branches in EarthRealm.

Cristina: Bruh.

Jack: As opposed to the roots. What we see as trees are just the roots. Yeah.

Cristina: That are still very protected though.

Jack: That are still very protected. Is the DNA donor for Lucifer's body transmutation later. And this is where s***'s about to be really complicated because the implications are false. Nuts. Later use Lucifer's body transmutation technology and samples of Nahas.

Cristina: What?

Jack: David, I just talked about Nahas earlier. Keep forgetting who Nahas is. Pay attention. Be involved. Nahas is Jehovah Serpent. Later used Lucifer's body transmutation technology and samples of Naha's physiology to alter himself into an artificial Naga.

Cristina: Of course. Of course. It's not shocking.

Jack: Had the ability to take the form of a serpent at will. Following the procedure, abandoned the garden to follow Lilith after falling in love with her. And she left. And most importantly, went to the Shadow Realm with her. I did not find this in any of her material. She left the group. Lucifer clearly stated went back to the Shadow Realm. Nowhere did it state Lilith went to the Shadow Realm. But when you look at Samael, he goes to the Shadow Realm with her. So she also went to the Shadow Realm. Fascinating. Now let's unpack Samael real quick.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Lucifer looks like Samael. Samael can become a serpent. Lucifer argued in case of sharing knowledge. Samael and Lucifer were both involved with the Fruit of Knowledge. Samael was directly involved with Lilith. If we look at the old narrative in where there is a serpent who tempts Adam and Eve, the serpent is Samael.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Not Nahas. Nahas does whatever the f*** Jehovah wants.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's no reason he would. Lucifer does whatever Jehovah wants. There's no reason he would. Although Lucifer is in fact trying to give the world enlightenment.

Cristina: Exactly. So the Bringer of Light together to do that?

Jack: Well, no, because this is still all part of the research world.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The one who plants and grows the Tree of Knowledge is Samael. And then Samael goes out of his way. I'm thinking Samael gave the Fruit of Knowledge as an experiment to some primitive culture. On the flip side, it is completely possible that Lucifer was on board with that. You grew the fruit on our side. Let's grab it, give it to people and see what happens.

Cristina: Ah, yes. Huh? Maybe. And maybe it didn't. It failed. And so that's when.

Jack: That's why he wanted to give it. The primitive cultures, we give them Fruit of Knowledge, they get enlightenment, but they grow quickly. We give them our technology, they will evolve quickly. But then those collapse. Those experiments failed. Entire civilizations lost. What were you thinking?

Cristina: I keep forgetting her name. I keep thinking of Eve. But Lilith. She gets involved, too, though, because she makes her own. But why is she making her own?

Jack: If we think of the way the.

Cristina: Research works, in that same research.

Jack: Yeah. No, if we think of the way the research works, she uses the Philosopher Stone, Adam, then Samael, who managed to grow fresh fruit, provides those primitive creatures with the Fruit of Life. Actually, the Fruit of Knowledge. My apologies. The Fruit of Knowledge in an attempt to create the next intelligent breed.

Cristina: Yep, that's. That sounds right. Then they all get kicked out to the Shadow Realm. I guess. I don't know.

Jack: Now, this is where I have a big, big problem, because there's a huge discrepancy here that I know you did not notice. Lilith used Adam 150,000 years ago. Eloi is who was around 150,000 years ago, not Jehovah. What do you see the problem?

Cristina: I don't understand the problem.

Jack: I don't understand the problem either. My question is, is she's a shadow person. We know she's not gonna age normally, or maybe they don't age at all. I'm not entirely sure how that works.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Is she older than Lucifer? Has she been involved in this longer than Lucifer? If not, or if so. Regardless of what the answer to that question is, is she the first or in the first research team which involved Sizen, Lilith, Sizen and Eloi?

Cristina: Okay, so she didn't betray the. What's his name?

Jack: Loi.

Cristina: Oh, she did, But. So there was a first.

Jack: I don't know if there was. I know. He was definitely working on some s***.

Cristina: Yeah. This timeline, it's ridiculous. It's so long.

Jack: Yes. She stretches from 150,000 years ago to 10,000 years ago. That's four. That's 140,000 years of her just being around, as far as we know, to put this into perspective. And I. I guess I didn't think about this before, but I guess it makes sense. Lilith has literally been around since before the Eve stone. Which I guess makes sense according to all the literature. Yes, I guess. But that. The fact that that just got reinforced makes it more of a problem. Because I was thinking maybe I'm wrong and the state is. I'm missing some piece of. But no, I guess that technically falls in line with all the f****** information.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: She was there before the Stone of Lilith. I mean, of Eve.

Cristina: Yeah, I don't know.

Jack: I just made it more complicated. I was looking for an out, like maybe I f***** up somewhere and like I go back and find. But no, it makes f****** sense. According to the s*** that already is out there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So Lilith knew both Jehovah and El. Lilith is more important than Lucifer.

Cristina: Maybe she's the reason he stayed alive for so long. I don't know.

Jack: Well, she wasn't working on any of that crap. That was Asriel.

Cristina: Asriel, yeah, but she was with him.

Jack: What does that have to do with Asriel wasn't even. Yeah, Asriel wasn't even born. So there's no solution to this problem.

Cristina: She can still. She might have known something about adrenochrome to help this guy live as long as he lives.

Jack: Well, no, as a shadow person, she wouldn't know anything about adrenochrome. She uses fear specifically.

Cristina: Crap.

Jack: She literally would know nothing about adrenochrome. That's too Earthling. Only Earthrealm. I mean, Lucifer had to figure out how to become an Earthrealm in order to use it.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Or not become an Earthrealm or replicate Earthrealm or physiology, at least in order to use it.

Cristina: So what does it mean?

Jack: I don't know. This is a quite complicated individual. It looks like Samael and Lucifer are conflated. Not only Samael and Lucifer, but Samael, Lucifer and Mahas. There's a lot of conflation there. Looks like a lot of the accusations that go to Nahas were just Samael. Nahas is innocent for all we know. And it looks like a lot of the accusations that go to even Lucifer are really Samael, minus the fact that Lucifer was down to spread the knowledge. Yeah, but based on those two contexts, maybe Samael and Lucifer were already in a rebellious state where they were thinking or maybe running projects separately. Yeah, like scientists do, you know, hey man, I got this thing going on. Hey, I got that thing going on. And they tried to do things that failed. Samael being close to the two Shadow Realmers in the team was easier for him to fall in love with somebody like Lilith. Who's a natural shadow armor. But also, she must have, like, crap Tony ears on this guy. But I guess that also doesn't really matter. That's a concept of New Age to worry about age.

Cristina: I wonder if they worry about the deaths that are involved because, like, their failure is people dying.

Jack: Masses.

Cristina: Masses that could be part of why they had to be kicked out eventually. Like, we don't know if they care about lives or not, or, like, our lives or anything. But maybe they do care about life. Maybe not us specifically.

Jack: I think the real argument comes down to obedience, not necessarily life. Because it looks like in the case of Lilith, like, Samael wasn't kicked out, he left. And he was responsible for a lot of problems. Yeah, but science s*** fails. But Lilith disobeyed orders. She gets kicked.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Lucifer disagreed with orders and he left. He lives.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: It looks like obedience is the problem, not necessarily life. It doesn't seem like they care about life. You do what I say. I am top dog. I'm the last word. You either agree or get the f*** out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And in her case, she's like, I'm not leaving. This is my work. And they're like, get the f*** out. You violated rules.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And his case is like, I'm not dealing with this s***. I'm an equal member here. And you're absolutely stepping over all of us. My research is important to me. And he dips. Not only that, he tries to come back and take a s***. I think this is framing a lot of the stories that exist in the world.

Cristina: Yes. But it's still, like, there's still so much things. I don't know how they fit in the timeline of things.

Jack: I don't understand Lilith entirely. It's a huge, huge problem. Because I know that was. I know that didn't get caught immediately. The fact that, oh, yeah, she's part of this team. She was here 150,000 years ago. To be fair, Susan personally knew El, and Susan was also part of the Earth gods, which were consistently communicating with Elysium, which Jehovah was part of. So Szin and Lilith have some time, some longevity in which both Susan and Lilith both knew Eloi, and both Susan and Lilith both know Jehovah.

Cristina: Okay, yeah, yeah. But I don't know how that relates to each other.

Jack: I don't know either.

Cristina: They're shadow people. They live forever. Maybe question.

Jack: Maybe question mark. Yeah, exactly. And why is it that El lived so long if he did not have Azrael? I don't know. I think that's Fair enough. I actually think that's more of a problem because we have a second example. It just looks like shadow people live a really long time.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or they don't die. Yeah, I mean, dead people go to the shadow realm. Let's just assume they don't die. But then what the h*** does that mean for Eloi?

Cristina: Unicorn blood, dude.

Jack: He's just around.

Cristina: Yeah. What was pre everything? Unicorns.

Jack: Unicorns are just fairies.

Cristina: Yeah, but aren't they? If you eat their. No. Something about using their bone makes you live forever or whatever. Said the guy on the boat.

Jack: Yeah, it'll grant you immortality.

Cristina: Although no one knows how to use it. Because everyone died who was in contact with it.

Jack: No, not the people who in contact with the people trying to get to it all died. They killed each other trying to get it.

Cristina: Yes. So no one successfully used it the correct way.

Jack: Nobody successfully used it, period. Nobody successfully got a hold of it without dying. And then the one guy who had it was hiding it the whole f****** time and still died at the end.

Cristina: Yeah, but these stories have to come from somewhere. Like where's the proof of the person who lived forever?

Jack: Because unicorn horned Harry Potter is where that comes from.

Cristina: That's what the Greeks were basing their legends on. Harry Potter?

Jack: No, Harry Potter is where the person drinks the thing. I see what you mean. So Antonio Draco, did he hear the.

Cristina: Story from Harry Potter? I don't think so. He knows.

Jack: Well, he knew it could cure any illness.

Cristina: Then he say it could keep you immortal.

Jack: I don't know if that was ever mentioned. I don't think that was the case.

Cristina: I feel like that was one of the many things. Things they could do.

Jack: You think you're granting mortality? Fair enough. It does sound like something that would do. Because it's supposed to do everything and more.

Cristina: Yes, because it was so much like adrenal adrenochrome, except that we couldn't prove that it actually could do anything.

Jack: And you can't get addicted to it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I guess it was just. I don't know. Somebody must have tried it. Right. Because the guy didn't tell him a lot about it. He just gave it to him. This is what it is. Died.

Cristina: Yes. And then everyone after died.

Jack: Everybody trying to get to it died. Everybody came in contact with it, whether they got to do anything with it or died. Yeah, unicorn's f****** horn is a problem.

Cristina: There has to be one example of someone who succeeded and maybe this is the guy. Maybe it's random. I know it's very random. But, like, where did this story come from? Yeah, why is this guy living forever? It makes no sense.

Jack: No, that's a fair a** question, to be honest. Because, like, what the h***? We know, unicorns could do it, but so could Adrenochrome, to be fair.

Cristina: But he's so ancient that Adrenochrome doesn't seem to be involved.

Jack: Adrenochrome has existed always.

Cristina: Always, Like. But did humans know about it always? Or not humans.

Jack: Whatever the Elysians are. Yeah, they could be human. I have no idea. That's still so hard to establish. They were. They were really close to human. They know they're genetically different. They were really close to human, though. We know that much. They were very close to human. They were just some other s***, like the difference between Neanderthal and a caveman or some s***. It's like they were really. They were really close.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Although they're not. Like, we're not the same. And that slight difference makes them OP and us not. On the flip side, we got here quicker, which means we're gonna be more OP in less time.

Cristina: If you were working together, like, they're working together with their ridiculous teams.

Jack: Yeah, they got really overpowered teams. Anyways, anyways, that's all we were way over time. And, like, I'm more confused than I began because I don't know what the f*** is up with Lilith. And Lilith is less of a problem because if we just consider Susan as well. Susan knew both Jehovah and El, and Lilith knew both Jehovah and El. That's less special than why the l lived like 4 million years or some crazy like that. Like, what the was that dude a vampire?

Cristina: I don't know, dude.

Jack: It would have to totally be. I don't even know. We'll figure it out eventually. Anyways. Anyways, if you guys have any input for any of this, you can hit a zub on all our socials. Just convopod on X, on Instagram, on Facebook, on TikTok.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe and review the show.

Jack: And remember to word of the mouth. The out of those people. Tell people, scream at them, say, hey, hey. Bottom of that. No, don't whisper. Don't whisper at all. You scream in there, you grab their face and you put it really close to your face and you see. Scream as loud as you can. Hey, hey.

Cristina: Something's here.

Jack: This. Yeah, exactly. Here's this show that's going to give you answers about crap you had no idea you wanted to know about and had no questions for to begin with.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. Oh, yeah, it's not even related, but what a coin. What a coincidence. Just us. Coincidence left and right. Coincidence left and right. Yeah. Sure. Totally. We're not thinking too hard about it. We're just like, you know, everybody's for whatever reason, dealing with the Church always dealing with adrenochrome. I don't know why Church always, for whatever reason, suppressing something. The Church always, for whatever reason. Who the f***, no, what all this s*** is actually. I mean, it was obviously, when you think about it, connected, but, like, we weren't thinking about it. We were just kind of. Oh, it showed up again. Cool. Butterflies in a dream come, children, dream come. Haha. But it's like, bro, 911 was real and it looked like it was an inside job and it looked like it happened at a time when absolute peace was kind of establishing. And it's like, oh, in hindsight, that makes absolute sense as a way to cause a lot of fear and get a lot of blood.

September 08, 2023

Rambling 242: The Adam & Eve Timeline

September 08, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

What is the exact timeline of events important to the story of the Sea People? What is the goal of all their scientific research? Who was involved in helping and when? The duo unpack the timeline of events and nail down the order to better understand how the Sea People became so powerful and how they provided extremely advanced tech to powerful other empires around the world.

+Episode Details

2.5mil bc First Tools
2mil bc El meets Cizin
El Collects the Fruit of Life
156,000bc to Adam
150,000bc Primitive Humans
El Collects the Fruit of Knowledge
100,000bc Eve
100,000bs Modern Humans
10,000bc Jehovah Collects all 3 Fruits
7,000bc Maya and Egypt become Advanced
Year 1 Jesus is Born
Persian Gulf Oasis Is Abandoned
Egypt is Abandoned
Maya is Abandoned

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+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And we've usually got a lot of badass ideas, bruh.

Cristina: Badass ideas.

Jack: Yeah. So listen, last time, last time on Dragon Ball Z, we were discussing a couple of wires that seem to have a cross identity. We had some Mayan individuals, some Egyptian individuals, some Shadow Realm individuals, and we've now come across for the first time the mention of the Forest of Shadows.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which seems to just have fruits that a man named L2 million years ago came across. Then some mysterious figure, 10,000 years before Christ went ahead and wandered in there and collected a bunch of fruit.

Cristina: Some magical fruits.

Jack: Some magical fruits. Interesting, no?

Cristina: Yes, very. Man. It was Garden of Eden.

Jack: No, the Garden of Eden is a lab.

Cristina: But the fruits. Maybe the fruits were taken to the.

Jack: Garden of Eden, obviously, where Adam and Eve are. Because Adam and Eve are not in the Forest of Shadows. Why do you say?

Cristina: I don't know. Like, maybe they're not in because they were kicked out in the story. So maybe we've been calling it the wrong thing.

Jack: Well, no, we managed to pinpoint the Garden of Eden.

Cristina: How? I don't remember how.

Jack: The whole point of a bunch of what we've done is one, finding out that the Garden of Eden is somehow located in the palace of Alcaraz in the Persian Gulf oasis, but then got moved, which then tells us it's not a location.

Cristina: Get it from what I'm saying is.

Jack: They got the fruit and we just answered that question. They got the. They got the fruit, presumably from the Forest of Shadows.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Not the Garden. No, they got the fruit from the forest. Yes, the Garden is a really happy place based on the Bible, but it's also not even a place based on the data.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or it is a place, but it's not a garden. That's the code name. It's some botanic facility of some sort where they were growing. And we have botanic specialists like Ix Shell from the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Weird. Okay.

Jack: That married Zamna in the Mayan civilization and developed highly advanced botanic agriculture. Then presumably a lot of that got implemented.

Cristina: A lot of strange activity.

Jack: Yeah. But it goes to explain how that garden came to be known as the Garden and why the Mayans were so closely related. Because there is something we call the Garden. That lab is green as h***. There's greenery everywhere. Now we have a fruit that came from the shadow realm and a botanist that came from the shadow realm. It makes way more sense now that there is a labor packed with greenery and that that lab is simultaneously the same location where Adam, Eve and likely the genetics that led to the birth of Jesus. Maybe the pregnancy of Maria happened in there.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Not Maria, but Mary.

Cristina: Yeah. No, but you think she might be made from the lab as well?

Jack: She's not made from the lab. Her pregnancy.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Okay.

Jack: Yes, her pregnancy came from the lab the same way. But Adam and Eve aren't even people as far as we know. Those are technology.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So, okay, let us. We've got a couple of episodes without a full fledged review. So let us catch anybody who hasn't been paying attention up and then go through what I have found so we find out. Now I'm trying to do this in chronologic order as far as we know.

Cristina: How far back are you going?

Jack: Well, there's a civilization 2.5 million years ago that we know factually had tools. 2 million years ago, according to Mayan and some Persian Sumerian hieroglyphs and writings, there was a man named L. L travels into the. L travels into the shadow realm and he befriends a creature named Sizen that seems to rule the shadow realm. El gets towed of a forest and they go and they explore a place called the Forest of Shadows. Right? Then we have 10,000 years before Christ, that's 12,000 years ago. And some unnamed individual ventures into the forest. He goes into the shadow realm, goes into the forest and finds the fruits. Well, doesn't find it. Shows up with something with a note or knowledge or document or proof. Just hey, this is what I know factually is there. Can I go get it? And he goes and collects one of every fruit, specifically three fruits. Which confirms our theories about the fruits there being more than two. He then leaves with the fruit. That's all he was there for. We fast forward to about 5,000 and we now have the judge Shemesh, who just kind of wanders occasionally through the forest.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And he takes this without just not knowingly as a way to get to the his workplace. Traveling to his workplace. And he goes through the shadow realm. Somehow there's a gate or something, just an open entrance. He goes through the shadow realm and he crosses the forest and he sees weird trees with weird fruit. But he thinks none of it and becomes familiar with the creatures that there. That don't seem to Bother him and he goes to work and comes back the same way he tells his sister. His sister gets fascinated, shows his sister the forest. His sister plucks a fruit, his sister eats from the fruit. His sister is blasted with information that doesn't exist on their own. His sister becomes obsessed with that sight. Inanna is her name. And they although Shemesh goes through just for work, Inanna goes to explore and she gets to this area where there is a palace in the shadow realm, there's a royal family and there is a duo of botanic sisters that work for the royal family. One of them is called Iksha, which is a prodigy botanist and she befriends Ikshao. Inanna and Iksha are friends and they tell each other stories of where they come from. And they decide to swap places every six months so that they can learn about each other's worlds. Weirdly enough, somehow Ixchel does not land in the Persian Gulf, instead lands in the in Mexico, in the Guatemala Mexico border. Don't know how that happened, but we also know that Mount Kaf connects three points, which is Persia, which is the Mayan civilization or what will be and the shadow realm. After a single visit they decide, no, we want to stay on our sides. I want to be Ixchell. The shadow girl now wants to stay in Earthrealm and Inanna wants to stay in the shadow realm. Okay, fantastic. They become obsessive in the other direction. Meanwhile, simultaneously as this is happening in Persia, there is a movement developing amongst the elites, scientific individuals who have decided to band together and start experimenting for their want and their need to create extremely powerful technologies, extremely powerful energy reserves, extremely powerful ways to acquire energy, not just store it. And all the while there's this really exaggeratedly overpowered godly civilization by comparison that we name the sea People. The rest of Persia does not necessarily get along with them. We don't know this for a fact. We just know that they sort of live in isolation, separate. In the Persian Gulf oasis, the sea people later migrate out of there. But we'll get there. We have the sea people creating heavy technologies, important technologies, using anything and everything that seems to be at their disposal. Having teleportation technology, being able to create different kinds of creatures and sharing this with civilizations that seem to be developing, one of which happens to be the Egyptians that themselves come in contact with Sizen from 2 million years ago and from 10,000 years ago when the guy wandered into the forest and picked the fruit. Citizen was informed of this, and he was informed because when people started wandering he put. Actually, no, the order of this is backwards.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Because she, Mesh going through the forest is what led to the watch, the gatekeeper and the record keeper being put at the gate. And then that's how we know about the guy taking the fruit. So chamesh was actually 10,000 years ago and then shortly thereafter, which guy is she Mesh? The judge. The judge was 10,000 years ago. So the timelines are a little obscured because actually, I think that she, Mesh and the guy who came to pick up the fruit happened kind of close to each other. So both of Those happened about 10,000 years ago, as opposed to 5,000 years ago. Then we jump forward into the point where 5000 BC we have sizen working with Autumn, which is also a Shadow Realm creature. And we have. And that's working with Sizen has not season. Autumn has his own Naga and so does Ra, which is a leader of that group, by the way. So this Iksho, which is the prodigy, the Naga are a group of people. Actually, we have to jump even further.

Cristina: Back, back to the fairy, to the.

Jack: Fairy realm, where Mab goes ahead and creates the realms and then creates the three sisters that are to give life and predict life and take life and creates Oros, this sort of snake creature thing, and gives them the task of when intelligent civilizations develop, send individuals to watch over and assist in their development and jump forward. The most exaggeratedly overpowered group is the Sea People, who also have a Naga. They have an individual named Jehovah, which at this point we believe is who went to get the fruit. Oh, in the Forest of Shadows, we have the Naga that is with the Mayans. There are two. We have the. Where Iksho goes, Iksho has one and then Idzama has another one. He is the leader of the Earth gods that create the civilization of the Mayans. And we have the Egyptians that have two as well. One belongs to Ra, called Widget, and the other one belongs to Autumn, which is a Shadow Realm leader of sorts, who has a giant, fully developed civilization, decides to join under Ra and continue developing technologies. As far as we know, as far as we can tell, the data suggests that the Egyptians developed incredibly overpowered methods of teleportation and ways of extracting energy and storing energy. We believe they are the originators of the concept that known as Dyson Spheres, and that they teleported themselves into the Great Void before it was the Great Void, and then began capturing stars over there, then teleporting the energy back and storing them using the technology inside the pyramids. Around Giza. Giza itself is the teleportation and reception tool that then sends the energy to the other storage devices.

Cristina: Awesome. I guess the sea people are using that energy.

Jack: The sea people are also using that energy. Whatever other things the Egyptians were working on, they completely stopped working on to focus on this energy management and energy storage. And then the people in the Mayan civilization, after they developed a credibly complex agriculture which also gets used by the sea people, but they stop pushing that further and focus entirely on record keeping. Immense amounts of data storage, storing infinite amounts of data seems to be that becomes your main priority. And they have storage tools now. It seems like all this really advanced technology is all aiming towards assisting the sea people. Everything seems to be aiming towards assisting the sea people. Storing their information, delivering intense amounts of energy. But all these groups were also working on developing some sort of complicated form of life. They abandoned that, and the sea people continued working on that. But also this seems to be the goal of all the beings that become highly evolved throughout always. The Greek gods, AKA those scientists, decided to do the same thing and try a million ways. The Norse, same thing. Everybody was trying to create life, but also it seems everybody was trying to cross the bridge to different realms. Those seem to be the prioritized objectives that people have. Why? Unclear. Yeah, but it seems to be the case.

Cristina: See, there's so much parts. There's just so much parts, so many.

Jack: Moving parts, and they're all connected. We fast forward, we're probably gonna not even do this in criminological order because we got to jump around and think about all different things. So we go and we get to Jesus. This is year one. So the plan goes as follows. Well, let's. Let's start at the beginning of the events leading to Jesus. There is a C person named Mary. Mary is a test subject voluntarily to have a being. She's going to be artificially inseminated using the programs Adam and Eve, which are modified using the fruits obtained from the shadow realm. And the goal is to create a child that can easily cross barriers from dimensions without aid. Perhaps in a way to manipulate their own genetics in the future and be able to give themselves access. Who knows? By the way, I didn't think about that before, but that makes perfect sense. If you can have a biological being. This is why she had to give birth to him. That actually makes a lot of sense because he would then be a genetic being sharing their DNA. Then they just study him and modify their genetics because we already know they have the capacity to do that?

Cristina: Oh yeah.

Jack: Once they modify their genetics to be identical to the genetics of Jesus, then.

Cristina: They can do the same.

Jack: Then they can also cross realms. That actually makes a lot of sense, huh? That's why she had to give birth to him.

Cristina: Did their plans with him succeed?

Jack: No, because Jesus still couldn't enter Elfhame.

Cristina: No, I guess not. He had to die to do it. But that was from other things.

Jack: Well, he had to die to enter the Shadow Realm. He didn't even have clean access across.

Cristina: Okay. Ah, yeah.

Jack: So she gets artificially inseminated using this program called Adam and Eve. The child does in fact have some sort of special abilities that are crossing realms and just crossing large gaps across the universe. It seems not just Earth, but space itself, and not just Earth realm, but every realm. And people are getting visions of the child, of the Persian Gulf oasis, which is a private community and worst of all, of the lab that contains everything that they've worked for.

Cristina: So they gotta get rid of him.

Jack: So they've gotta get rid of him. They devise a plan that makes absolute sense. Mary is going to leave the Persian Gulf, so they cannot have visions of what they're about to do because the child will never be there. They're having visions of the child and where the child is at all points in time. It's not one moment, but visions of him in the future as well. So he can't be anywhere that they're going. They must go somewhere he cannot be. And as a result, people cannot have visions of where he. They move to.

Cristina: Yes. So they leave from.

Jack: Yeah, they send Mary out. She is to go cross into.

Cristina: Across.

Jack: The Middle east and reach Cyprus. Cyprus. She's going to give birth to Jesus and then she's going to get escorted or somehow reach Mount Athos. And from Mount Athos she's going to reach whatever point they're going to that nobody's gonna know. She gets assigned Amadji, which is one of their elites, one of their elites, intellectual and almost wizard like individuals called Joseph. And he is to escort her along the way. They cross Bethlehem, where there is a huge conflict happening and it becomes too dangerous for them to cross. So they redirect themselves and land at Nazareth, where she ends up giving birth to Jesus. Problem? This wasn't supposed to play out this way. But now she refuses to leave. She's gonna stay with Jesus until the end of his life, which she does. Then she goes to Cyprus after he is dead. We know how those events play out, more or less. And she goes into Cyprus from there ends up at Athos. And from Athos, poof, gone forever. As expected, in that time, the sea people moved their entire civilization from the Persian Gulf oasis in the palace of Alcaraz and went to right off the coast of Bimini into the Bermuda Triangle in the Atlantic Ocean. And they established Atlantis, which is an undisclosed unknown location somewhere beneath the Atlantic Ocean. They remove the portal that allows people to access the shadow Realm and reach Egypt and Maya effortlessly, which is Mount Kaf. They create a magic barrier around Athos so that it cannot be used to access them. Presumably because there's a portal on top that connects directly to Atlantis. This portal is important because the creator of the realms also created the elves and sent the elves to cap the power of advanced civilizations. And they all use magic. And the barrier is a magic barrier that they cannot infiltrate, that they cannot cross through. They cannot use their abilities. They couldn't just teleport there. Presumably they also have this existing in Atlantis in the Atlantic Ocean, which is why they cannot be reached. They have all the measures, so they cannot be accessed. Meanwhile, in this time, Jesus is born. Jesus People having visioned of Jesus for this entire time, and he starts preaching, does this thing. He is neglected by his people and he is eventually killed. Now, unknown if this was intentional, part of a different plan that was developing or whatever the case may be. But in his dying, he actually managed to use his abilities and cross over into the shadow realm. But clever enough, this was a highly intelligent individual who had always been in communication with a being the rest of them didn't know about. And he learned, figured out and established portals that work as a one way. I have a theory as to why they're one way. And that is so that as he was building them, people didn't know what they were for because you could never cross through them and end up anywhere from this side. So it looked like he was just wasting his time. No reason in destroying the thing. And they can't hear him. They can't hear the thoughts of the individual he's talking to from the Shadow Realm. Okay, so nobody knows. It's just, oh, he's doing weird things out there in Japan. But he's establishing gates so that he can come back.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They didn't know.

Cristina: That's so random.

Jack: Okay, he dies, boom. Can come back effortlessly.

Cristina: Yes. And he was probably communicating with something from the other side the entire time. The entire time.

Jack: And actually once he came through as well. Now back to the Sun Gods. There is an interesting thing happening in which one of the Sun Gods becomes a traitor once Ra becomes too old and passes his torch over to his friend instead of Abraxas, which was another member of the group.

Cristina: He's human though, right?

Jack: Yes. And he. So both of them are. And he goes to the shadow realm with a bunch of their data. Interesting fact. So we have Jesus important to working for the Shadow Realm. We have Abraxas important to working to the shadow realm, and the being we call Jehovah of Darkness working for the Shadow Realm. Presumably some of them, if not all of them, work for the Moon God. Or the team we're calling the Moon Gods. Might be two teams or one team. Unsure. We don't know much about anything that happens exclusively on that side. Only when individuals come over here and disclose that information. Now, the sea people successfully vanish. Jesus dies. He is created using Adam and Eve with the fruits in an artificial insemination of Mary. Mary manages to get out herself. The Sun Gods, one of them leaves with a bunch of their data. The rest of them quit trying to make life and start working for the Sea people with energy and teleportation technology and establish direct teleportation only to the sea people that is no longer related to Mount Kaf. Same thing happens with the Mayan civilization. They go underground into a storage system that has a bunch of data and presumably a portal that allows the sea people to get directly to that underground facility. So there's no need for the Mayans to remain on the surface. So they just fully disappear. And the sun. The Earth Gods fully disappear, and the Sun Gods fully disappear. They're just overnight gone. We have mad data that says an entire civilization suddenly vanished, probably to space, but the Mayans underground and the Egyptians to space. Or the Mayans could also be in some sort of bubble universe. All they need is the ability to store the data. That's all that matters. They can store the data.

Cristina: They're also working on living forever or something biological.

Jack: They were working on creating life from crops.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. They wanted to make highly intelligent life using crops. So which presumably there. There's. With the fruits and the advancements and the fact that the sea people seem to have been around for quite a long time, it seems that immortality has to some degree been established. And the Sun Gods were considered by the. The people who weren't part of those communities, but were like observing the communities already thought these individuals were immortal. Which suggests that some of the information given to them by the sea people already involved the solution to mortality.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We move forward through time. We have individuals who find shreds of the information we have just disclosed. And we go back in time a little. We find that individuals knew what the sea people were doing and were trying to replicate it because they also wanted to get to the shadow realm. They didn't know where the h*** the fruits came from or how the h*** somebody already got into the shadow realm. So a couple of different things happened.

Cristina: Which people are you talking about?

Jack: All the other gods that had nothing to do with sea people. Think of the Greek gods. Think of the Norse individuals elsewhere. They came up with adrenochrome, which is a three part system. There is ambrosia, there is nectar. And if you consume either and distill it through your own system and then get that blood out again, then you have ichor, which is a more pure form. All three of these.

Cristina: Jesus dealing with all three of those things.

Jack: Jesus was de. And imagine how overpowered his is. You can just share this. This blood could also be. Now you could acquire this from any person. You just need to jack up adrenaline. Biology somehow allows this to happen. We discovered that for whatever reason, biology allows for anything that has blood to have this and then turn it into a way into the shadow realm. But you have to die first. Resembling the fruits, there's also a flower that allows for the same exact thing. So we have the fruits from the garden that in theory are suspected that they connect the bridge between the shadow realm and earth realm. We have nectar, ichor and ambrosia, which are all adrenochrome. We have this flower that had the same abilities and we have portals in and out and out of these. The sea people have the flowers. They have the flowers, they have the fruits and they have the portals. The only thing they don't mess with is adrenochrome, which is essentially for people who don't have the other stuff, which is a lot of people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And because of all these civilizations that weren't favored by the sea people, if you follow their lineages throughout time, it gets f*****. And everybody's drinking blood. Everybody's trying to figure out how to get more, how to refine it, how to create clever systems to trick people, to create fear, to have a bunch of their blood packed with adrenaline straight through time. Until today, it's been a f****** normal thing.

Cristina: Yes. In the background of society, God is telling them. Until you, I guess, well, you have.

Jack: It and then you start hearing God and then you're committed to doing it more. Especially because if you stop having it after you've had it, you're gonna lose your mind anyways. It's just.

Cristina: There's a lot of that.

Jack: Yes, it's a lot. Once you start, you can't stop. And once you start, you start hearing crazy voices from the Shadow Realm and you start losing. You get crazy abilities too. You become godlike. You. You. And if you stop taking it, you lose your freaking mind and you become some other thing. When you die, you don't even really die. You just enter the Shadow Realm, become one of those creatures. Whole clusterfuck of things happens when you're dealing with this other s***, which a.

Cristina: Lot of everyone's most of.

Jack: 99% of the other s***. There's the 1% that was connected directly to this overpowered civilization known as the Sea People. And then there's the 99% that couldn't figure it out.

Cristina: The rest of the humans.

Jack: Yeah. Everybody else who wasn't connected to the sea People dealing with it. The 1% who were connected to sea People didn't need it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But that 99%, they all were like, no, we're gonna figure it out. And they just landed on the same conclusion.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, creatures from the Shadow Realm can easily come into the Earth Realm. They figured out their own thing. Something about fear allows an energy connection between the Overworld and the underworld and allows them to manifest over here. That's fascinating. They're not even. Creatures that aren't even native can just manifest over here.

Cristina: They could actually accidentally come over here.

Jack: Yeah, they could. Accidentally. Like it creates almost bubble teleports, Teleporters over there. They just pop up. But then there's fairies that seem to cross effortlessly, which is what. What the original Sea People thing was. And I don't even know if the other civilizations are fully aware that that's the case, because they just. Oh, adrenochrome. We figured it out. But it's like, no, these people could easily get to Shadow Realm. They didn't give a crap about that. They were working with Shadow Realm people. They're trying to get to elf fame, where the magic is. That's what Jesus is, an attempt at that. The Jews also had Joseph, which was another attempt at that.

Cristina: Yes, but do you think they knew that that's what the goal is?

Jack: I don't know if the other civilizations knew. Some of them probably did, but not by. Not the majority.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I think the minority. I think, like maybe 1%. So there's 1% actually working with the sea people, 1% that knows of it, and 98% that have no idea what the case may be they just know the Shadow Realm is real.

Cristina: Yeah, but no one knows about this other.

Jack: Yeah, and if they do, they don't even know they could get over there. It hasn't crossed their mind. They're still figuring out just get into the Shadow Realm and that's just a whole mess. It assures you immortality if you have adrenochrome. But again, see, we figured out immortality. They need adrenal. You have immortality if you have a dream. Chrome. But you're also addicted now forever. And even if you're not addicted, you need to keep taking it. And if you stop taking it, you lose your mind. And it doesn't matter when you die. If you die having lost your mind, you become one thing. And if you die having kept your mind, you cross scene. And like you, it's so, so complicated. Just adrenochrome alone. Complicated.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's a whole. There's adrenochrome and then everything else. That's how complicated this. Now, in doing so and going through this and kind of trying to piece together a lot of this stuff, I wanted to nail down some of the times, what really happened. And what I did was kind of organize it according to time. So we're just gonna quickly go through some of the details here. We can keep breaking down the summary of this, but it's very important that we actually nail down some of these times.

Cristina: What are we talking about?

Jack: When. When these events actually took place, because they actually reveal information. So let us begin by explaining Adam, because a lot of this is going to start tying little things together, kind of sending them home.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Adam using genetics to create an accurate molecular clock and backtracking it all the way to where the genetics suggest. Adam dates to about 156,000 years BC, which can be confirmed with hieroglyphs and like, detailed genetic markers, as well as stories that have survived the test of time. So he can be dated, whatever this technology is, could be dated to 156,000 years before.

Cristina: Christ, I forgot. We also found Adam in Egypt. Right. That's when they started working on Adam.

Jack: Well, yes. Well, a version of him, yes. Okay, now, what is very interesting about this, and I love that this fact turned out so exact, is that primitive humans date back to 150 BC. 150,000 BC. But finding Adam takes us all the way to 156 BC. So 6,000 years before humans happened.

Cristina: Perfect timing.

Jack: Okay, before primitive humans, we get Adam.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Fascinating. Okay, now, beautiful information. Nice. We nailed that down. Let us continue Then if we try to follow Eve backwards, using genetics to create an accurate molecular clock, Eve dates back to 100,000 BC. But not only is this confirmed with hieroglyphs and genetic markers, as well as stories dating back to that period, but this one is actually tighter together because it correlates perfectly with the modern day humans dating back to a hundred thousand years ago as well.

Cristina: Of course. Of course.

Jack: Eve and modern humans simultaneously.

Cristina: If she is what we think she is, this makes sense.

Jack: Perfect sense.

Cristina: Or it is, I guess.

Jack: So Adam is invented and something happens. This actually lends a lot to. To the idea that because we have genetics from apes, it was. It was definitely just some genetics. No, it's genetic alteration technology.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So many people believe aliens came and altered our DNA. No, it's earthlings. Yeah, Earthlings alter our DNA. At least we think it's earthlings.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: So earthlings alter our DNA. Right. So 156,000 years ago, they invented this thing called Adam. Test it, work on it, and then they actually put out the first, you know, batch, which leads to a bunch of people for 6,000 years later. So for 50,000 years, the spread of these primitive humans happen. Now, what's interesting about this is when we look at genetic markers, we're not only related to apes, like every different bipedal individual that existed, but there were several groups of cave people, some more advanced than others. This kind of lends itself to believe that the one that didn't survive was the more primitive made by the program Adam.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that they mated with some of the ones that were made with the program eve because they took those, they took some of those, modified them genetically, and they went forward as better humans, but then could still mate because they're closely related.

Cristina: Okay, what is the importance of humans, though? Do we have the answer to that? I can't remember. No, there's something as well.

Jack: No, I don't know. There's some factor about humans. It's way more important. I think it's at the rate we move, something is different about us, okay?

Cristina: We're not just some type of energy.

Jack: No. I don't know. I don't know. We're something. Something's going on, but. Or maybe we're just science. We could just be a weird science experiment. Maybe this has nothing to do with us being special. They just took monkeys and modified the monkeys with the program Adam. Boom. Now you got cave people. Then they went ahead and modified the program with program eve, and then they got more advanced cave people. Now, in Doing this, in going through this, I realized a couple of things that we've never thought about before. We knew one program came after the other. That's a pretty large gap between them. We're talking 50,000 years.

Cristina: Yes. That's pretty big. Yeah.

Jack: Most humans weren't made by both of them one at a time.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Humans weren't made by both of them. They were made one at a time. Adam existed 56,000 years before Eve and that was used to modify creatures. Then 56,000 years later, Eve is used to modify. That's not them working simultaneously? No, that's the farthest thing from the Morgan. Simultaneously. This is a huge ginormous.

Cristina: That's why we think of eve as Adam 2.0.

Jack: Yes. But that's like the most literal 2.0. Now this is where it gets a little interesting. According to biblical texts and backdating and cross referencing the Holy Bible, the Torah, the Quran, combining of Adam and eve occurred roughly 10,000 B.C. where those programs started being used together. Where? In the garden.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: What Interesting. Right.

Cristina: Okay. When was Eve started from backtracking from.

Jack: Where we are right now.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or B.C. just going back from the point. Year one. From year one. Eve is a hundred thousand years ago.

Cristina: A hundred thousand. Okay.

Jack: Adam is 156,000 years ago.

Cristina: And both of them in the garden 10,000 years ago.

Jack: 10,000 recent.

Cristina: Okay, so they were both active for a long time. Yeah.

Jack: Now this is confirmed as well, using hieroglyphs and actual texts that mention Adam and Eve together for the first time before Adam was mentioned alone, or Eve was mentioned alone, never together. What happened, but following 10,000 years ago.

Cristina: They'Re mentioned together, but they're for sure made by the same people.

Jack: There's no way to know.

Cristina: There's no way to know. Okay.

Jack: And by the way, and by the way, this little bit of detail of them together is mentioned across half of all the civilizations that exist that existed back then, they just all knew the advanced ones. They just all knew Adam and Eve together. That's just a given.

Cristina: It's crazy that it took so long.

Jack: Quite some time. Now this also correlates perfectly with the sudden appearance of miracles and magic and scientific advancements and demons and gateways.

Cristina: Starting with Adam and Eve in the.

Jack: Garden together in the garden.

Cristina: Okay. Interesting.

Jack: All these other things kind of happen immediately following this.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: They're together right off the bat. But also 10,000 years after that point, we get Jesus. Okay. Time scales collapsing quickly. They're shrinking shorter times. Shorter times.

Cristina: But humans popped up with Eve Yes.

Jack: Modern day humans popped up with Eve. Now implications of this, if Adam is roughly 140,000 years older than the time Adam and Eve are together and the mention of Adam with Eve suddenly correlates with Jehovah venturing into the forest of shadows to acquire the fruit which happened 10,000 years BC then we can safely assume the creation of the lab named the Garden of Eden. The unification of Adam and Eve and the capturing of the three fruits are all one event. We have established with information that's linking them together is no longer a theory of ours. We have them all dating all these events. The garden coming into exist, Adam and Eve coming together and the three fruits being captured all happened 10,000 years ago.

Cristina: Humans. It's the birth of a lot of new.

Jack: A lot of new science.

Cristina: Science. Yes, yes, Yep.

Jack: The mention of Adam 150,000 years ago we can call unfinished Adam which is the version used by Lilith.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: She was not in the garden yet. The garden did not exist yet. Lilith used Adam and it wasn't ready. Unfinished Adam, Eve or finished Adam led to current day humans a hundred thousand years ago. And that's also why we call Eve Atom 2.0. It's either a finished atom or a better improved atom. Now it works really well if we look at the time jumps that we're experiencing. L2 million years ago travels and sees the fruit for the first time. The fruit of life is probably the one he takes when he ventures into the forest with Sizen. So 1,000,900, years later Adam is created from that. He was working for a really really, really long time on it. A million 900 years later he creates Adam.

Cristina: So now he can on something he found in the shadow realm.

Jack: Okay, so now he makes Adam and he can make, he can modify life with it. Now somebody disappears and acquires the fruit of Knowledge. That gets applied to Eve. 100,000 years now we have modern day humans intelligence. He acquired the Fruit of Knowledge. If Adam used the Fruit of Life and Eve used the Fruit of Knowledge, two modifications that are entirely different were applied to the current now standing the now standing humans, what we consider humans now use the Fruit of Knowledge and the Fruit of Life. Adam was built using the Fruit of Life, Eve was built using the Fruit of Knowledge. We've been modified by both. We get two. The garden after Jehovah ventured in and got not just the Fruit of Life and not just the Fruit of Knowledge, but he also retrieved the third fruit.

Cristina: The fruit of Flesh, which we're not sure if they made Jesus with that.

Jack: I Think that is the point.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think everything created following that point is why the development of crazy sciences. People who can perform miracles, powers and all these other things. Demons crossing over. I think that's the case. And not just. Not just we know anybody connected to the sea people had just humans. Also, there's the shadow around people who naturally have abilities. But humans connected to the sea people had abilities. All these people are following this 10,000 year mark. They start sharing technology. And this is where these other civilizations now start to kind of explode too.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Where the Greeks start to explode 9,000 years ago. Where the Norse start to explode 8,000 years ago. Where the Egyptians start to explode with the Mayan simultaneously 7,000 years ago. This is all following that one event. And these people are called what? Gods.

Cristina: Of course.

Jack: Of course. Of course. Suddenly correlating that they added the fruit of flesh and maybe created concoctions and cocktails that they can also give these people, to give them abilities, enhance their knowledge. We can't modify you the way we can to these people. But also we've discovered a way to kill mortality. Now you can live forever. You can have more intellect. You can have more abilities. We are comparable to the creatures in the Shadow Realm. With our advancements, maybe even better. Well, we're better. We're just gonna make you equal. Yes, we're gonna make you equal to the baddest s*** over there. Yeah, that's kind of lining up, right? That explains a lot. Now that also explains why there were groups of people who. We're descendants from who normal people are descendants from that don't have abilities. Especially after all these juicy goodies stopped being shared when they were like, no, there's a problem. We got to stop.

Cristina: You got to hide.

Jack: We got to hide. No more sharing. We've achieved some peak.

Cristina: And now we can safely hid themselves. But they hid the unique people they made.

Jack: Yes. And just disappears. Everything disappears. Suddenly it's just people without abilities. Some slipped through the cracks. But we got a rebuild using only things left behind. Using only shreds of information. Hidden information. Most of which they tried to totally suppress. They created the Knights Templar to fully suppress this information. To make it disappear. To modify the history of Jesus. To hide their existence entirely. Erase any proof of anything.

Cristina: Yep. That's crazy.

Jack: But we have correlating information that tells us they solved immortality and helped these people that are considered the gods be what they were. This is all thanks to the sea people and their advancements and. And the three fruits that technology, teleportation and energy Storage and data storage for things like this, that kind of data that needed to be stored. And this all began with El meeting Susan, finding the forest, then creating Adam, then eventually going again, getting the fruit of knowledge, creating Eve. Then, way in the future, Jehovah goes and gets the fruit of knowledge, the fruit of flesh and the fruit of life mixed with Adam and Eve now is able to create cocktails, at least until they pump out a being born of this Jesus. But it was problematic right off the bat. It was 10,000 years later and still too soon. Keep in mind the leaps that El used, 1.9 million years, and then he still waited 6,000 more years after it was made. That's testing. That's science. That's consistent research. Consistent research and experimentation before implementation. Yes, Jehovah rushed. It was 10,000 years between the point that he got the three fruits, Adam and Eve, and established the garden. But also, I don't think Oros had sent anybody out at the time of L, 1.9 million years ago. L did not have a Naga with him.

Cristina: Is that important?

Jack: I think that's what allowed, like, Jehovah to move so much faster. It's what allowed the Egyptians and the Mayans to move so much faster before they even came across the Sea People.

Cristina: Oh, because they had.

Jack: They had beings helping them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That were exceptional.

Cristina: That's. He did it.

Jack: Probably not.

Cristina: Okay. And he's a sea person, too.

Jack: L?

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: L is the great grandfather of Jehovah.

Cristina: Okay. The ancestor of Sea People, I guess.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The ancestor of Sea People. Probably before the Sea People were established. Because the Sea People. Then again, it's already been 500,000 years. By the time we get L meeting season, it's already been a hundred thousand years. I mean, 500,000 years.

Cristina: Or are the Sea People humans or are they not?

Jack: You've asked this many times. I don't know. We don't know if any of these people are.

Cristina: They're a combination of it, because we know the Sea People. I mean, the Egyptians are hanging out with Shadow People. So would the Sea People also be a combination of things we don't even know of?

Jack: Well, the sea, the Egyptians hanging out with Shadow People means nothing. They can't reproduce with them. There's no mixing going on. They're a team, a collective of them. But they can't reproduce with something that isn't biological. How's that gonna work? Like, Ixchel is married to Izamna, but they don't have children because how the f***. Okay, One of them Is like a ghost or something.

Cristina: They don't have children. I don't know the story. Like if they ended up adopting or something. No, no.

Jack: Now let us think real quick. They could be human. I think they're just a different thing that developed here on Earth. But we also know there's crap in space like that weird Chupacabra thing that showed up looking for like sensing fear and blood or whatever or called that we call the Chupacabra, but it's just one of like three different things we've called the Chupacabra which just showed up looking for the same things Chupacabra looking for. Now let's focus on Mars real quick because Mars has a couple of interesting details that might or might not be related. There is evidence that suggests that thermal nuclear explosions occurred on the surface of Mars. This is nuclear debris and isotopes that are on the surface of Mars. Now the sun has a s*** ton of radiation and Mars doesn't have an atmosphere. So it's reasonable that the radiation from the sun slams effortlessly without restriction onto the surface of Mars. But these are isotopes similar to what you'd find in a man made explosive that the sun does not have.

Cristina: Okay, interesting.

Jack: So it goes as follows. They seem to be about 500 million years in age. That's significantly older than 2.5 million years.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: So now, and keep in mind, it is different from a solar nuclear radioactive material. It's isotope residual, similar to man made H bomb explosives. Particularly. Now, if there was a nuclear war that took place on Mars, the events would go as follows. A cloud. If it's mad. If MAD took place, place, Mutually assured destruction. And this was a bunch of people at war and they blew themselves to s***. Then we have a situation in which a cloud covered the Earth. Not the Earth, covered Mars, surrounded Mars entirely. And that debris blocked out the Sun's heat coming in. So they had an atmosphere back then. Then they create nuclear war. Debris and fallout block the Sun. Heat no longer comes down. This leads the planet to freeze over. But it's mutually assured destruction. This happened all over the surface of the planet. It's not patched, it's wholly covered. It's a shell of blockage of the sun. No external heat landing. It gets so cold even the core of the planet freezes. If the core of the planet freezes and no longer has rotation, the magnetic field ceases because the magnetic field is caused by the core. If the magnetic field ceases, that's what holds the atmosphere in place. The atmosphere fades into Space. And once the particles and residue from the fallout fall back to the surface, the sun's radiation now can pierce without a magnetic field in the way. Now you have sun's radiation slamming into whatever is left over after the nuclear war for 5 million years. We have things that are 14,000 years old and we only know they exist because somebody mentioned it. And we can kind of score to see a fossilized outline of it. Think about that. 14,000 years old and we can barely see a trace of it. 500 million years without an atmosphere. Nothing but solar radiation crumbling everything that exists into dust. Would suggest that if this is truly the case, there might have been an entirely developed Earth like planet.

Cristina: We would never know.

Jack: We would never know.

Cristina: There's nothing that exists there anymore.

Jack: There's nothing that exists there. We can't even find crap that's 14,000 years old. Properly we rely on things being carved in stone. Keep in mind our atmosphere protects the sun from s******* on everything. People carved things. Things are hidden from light. We find them in caves. They built structures. We find them in structures. We have these things to protect that protected history. Anything that's exposed to nature 14,000 years, we just don't see it anymore. And we have a magnetic field. This s*** did not have a magnetic field. It completely destroyed that too. And then you got the sun slamming into everything for 500 million years. There would be no proof of anything. It would just look like dust no matter what was standing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So there is evidence that suggests that Mars was not just lush but that they at least had the current technology we have today. Us normal non sea people. They were at least as advanced as we were 500 million years ago.

Cristina: How do we know that?

Jack: Because there's man made nuclear residue mixed in.

Cristina: Okay. So if they're able to do that, they have to.

Jack: They had to be as advanced as we are. So that was at least an intelligent planet. The issue is, did MAB create everything first? There is that Earth realm. Is it easier to get from there to these other places? Because if that's where development began, why so much happening on Earth? Unless that's what makes us interesting. Whatever was on Mars was like the other stuff. But whatever happened on Earth where they ran away to very different the creatures. There are some other we. The sea people advance very slowly.

Cristina: Oh, we don't know if they could have done that over there. It just. It was destroyed before they were able to do that over there. They did. They had more time here.

Jack: No, they had way more time over there. They did 500 million years. It's only been 2.5 million years, just since the sea people, stools.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They weren't even advanced. It was just rock tools, meaning 497.5 million years difference took place over there before.

Cristina: Oh, wow. Okay.

Jack: They were over there 497.5 million years before we find tools on Earth from primitive creatures.

Cristina: Well, when they got here, they had to start from scratch.

Jack: I'm thinking. I'm thinking, yes. I'm thinking it's an escape shuttle. It gets here and we witness there, some kind of Horizon thing happens. You know, they get here, they lost all of their planet. But whatever. This planet has been established as maybe colonies or whatever. And I don't know. I don't know. Then 2.5 million years ago, we get tools. It's still primitive, but they're. So they become it. I don't know. There's some problem. There's some problem with this. Because if they're so advanced over there, that's different than whatever's happening on Earth because we got tools. They would have just come with technology, bro. They had to get here with technology. How are you gonna cross this expanse.

Cristina: Of space if it is like Horizon? Maybe they didn't because, like, it was children. So they couldn't. Like, the children wouldn't know how to use the technology.

Jack: I mean, it's not literally horizon. I'm 100% sure adults piloted ships.

Cristina: Like, what if they couldn't?

Jack: Why, that's just. Again, we're adding things we don't know. We do know that there were tools 2.5 million years ago. And we do know that it seems nuclear war happened 500 million years ago over there. The information we have for fact, an intelligent civilization would take some of its technology wherever it's going just for the sake of convenience and advancement. And they're not just going to send a wave of children. Somebody's going to be a coward and be like, I'm going to protect them. I'm going with them. Even in Horizon, that happened.

Cristina: Well, I think it just took forever for them to understand their own writing, their own.

Jack: That doesn't make any sense. Why would that be logical? I piloted an entire ship over to that planet, but I don't know how to use anything. Like, it doesn't check out. There's a huge gap missing there between whatever the h*** happened against. Unless it's absolutely unrelated. It could be absolutely unrelated.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: And this is just another instance of life. Of life. Maybe life does happen consistently, but, like, what are the Odds are gonna happen simultaneously. And what are the odds that they'll develop even close to each other?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Which would then suggest that, yes, the sea people are just earthlings that began because based on the tools, they began 2.5 million years ago. And about 2 million years ago, they were already quite advanced. That's 500,000 years of advancement. That's 400,000 years more than we had. Of course, we're assuming they move slower than we do on average, which is why they were just average figuring things out. Yeah, around 2 million years ago. And it still took 1.9 million years before they were technologically advanced enough to establish Adam. So there's huge, huge gap of trial and error and technologic advancement, but faster and faster with the fruits, with the technology. And then we get to humans, modern day humans, hundred thousand years we've gone from where the sea people were 2.5 million years ago to nuclear power. It's only been a hundred and two thousand years.

Cristina: Okay, that's crazy.

Jack: It took them 2.5 million years. It has only taken us 102,000 years. So whatever they did. Fire. Yes, fire. And that's without counting that 10,000 year. Well, 12,000, because you got to count the 2,000 after B.C. there's 2,000, 12,000 years, right, that they haven't done anything to us. Those are just powers and special creatures that disappear. Roughly. I guess it's still 10,000 years because they begin about 10,000 BC and end around year one, where they just disappear. So the rest of us haven't actually been influenced by the combination of Adam and Eve, the fruits, any of that for the garden. Those were just elites. Elites we literally call gods. This is some whole other s***. We're not even influenced by that. They did that to themselves and to the homies and made themselves colossally overpowered. We see shreds here and there and we come up with things here and there as we dig and find traces that they couldn't get rid of.

Cristina: But aren't they made our ancestors.

Jack: They made our ancestors 100 BC, 100,000 BC using Eve. We're the children. We're the descendants of Eve, not Adam.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And not Adam and Eve. It looks like current day humanity is evolution to just Eve.

Cristina: And that probably Jesus is the only Adam and Eve thing. Maybe, I don't know.

Jack: Yes, Jesus is probably the only Adam and Eve. And a cocktail using the fruits is what led to the gods, what we call, quote, the gods unquote, which are just really intelligent immortal scientists. But they were just, you Know Jehovah acquired the fruits. He was a sea person, did a lot of experiments, technologies, created drinks, created things. He had the flower, created drinks, created things, had portals to access all the homies share it with you guys. Look, you guys aren't gonna die anymore. You guys can live forever. We can work on everything. We're gonna work on forever. We're gonna help each other, we to advance. We're going to be magnificent. This is why we see Raw rule Egypt for thousands of years. This is why we see it Zamna rule Maya for thousands of years. And it's because they're immortal. They're immortal and thanks to the sea people. This is why the sea people are a small group of people. Not a country size, a small group of people, city size. But the same people always somehow. Jehovah. Always the same Jehovah. Just always the same Jehovah. Because they figured things out.

Cristina: Anything. Mars is. I guess Mars isn't related.

Jack: I think it's unrelated. But then if it's unrelated, I guess it would make sense. And yes. Mabs is God God. Mab is God God. She made like she's the God God. She made f****** everything and s*** just happened at random there.

Cristina: Yeah, that's it.

Jack: She's God God. And somehow some f******. How some dude named L and his descendants managed to catch up to that b****. D***, bruh. Or at least make her paranoid.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I don't think they caught up.

Cristina: No, I don't think so.

Jack: But then again, it's also been 2,000 years since we've gotten a single peep out of any of this s***.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because following the point that they all disappear, we just have current day people. Current day humans minus the gods. No gods. All the gods gone.

Cristina: Just one special human.

Jack: Just one special. Well, he vanished too.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: So yeah. Just current day people figuring out the tricks with data we find. Running our own experiment. Experiments getting places. Some people found some of the sources. Some people found pieces of fruit. Some people found this. Some people found that. A lot of people found out about adrenochrome. Everybody's kind of figuring their way out to the same spots.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That the sea people helped their homies get to. Then we have people who are immortal. We have people who have abilities. We have people who can cross the bridge to the other side. And we've only taken 2,000 years to do what they took.

Cristina: Our version is pretty corrupted.

Jack: Our version is dark as f***. It's pretty diabolical.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we need each other to do it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But we also don't have what they have. They hid it.

Cristina: Yes, because they're scientists.

Jack: Now, if we can find. The problem is you get to the other side and you go kind of mad. And it's hard to direct yourself through there. But if we can get somebody on this end to get to the Shadow Realm without dying, find the fruits, yes. We will be way ahead. The problem is we don't know where to begin. We don't know how to do that. How do you create. What the h*** is the Shadow Realm? How do we make a bridge to the Shadow Realm? The Norse got the closest. They figured out that if you make mass sacrifices in an area and if.

Cristina: You want to find that the garden, that's what's protected by guards, or just the Shadow Realm itself is protected by the Shadow Realm.

Jack: Well, the garden is a lab that belongs to the sea people. The Shadow Realm, the garden.

Cristina: No, not the garden. The secret garden or secret forest. That's what I mean.

Jack: The Forest of Shadows is inside the Shadow Realm?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's where we need to get to.

Cristina: Is that protected by guards?

Jack: The gate to that was. That's what Susan put a gatekeeper and a record keeper to keep track of anybody who came through and stop anybody who's gonna want them. Okay, but like, where the f*** was that anyways? Why haven't we found that this entire time? 2,000 years. There's way more people now than there were before. Why haven't we come across that? The sea people probably made that disappear too.

Cristina: Definitely. Yes.

Jack: Okay, so we need a way. And then the Norse again. This is what's interesting. Between the collective of humans, we have enough pieces that if we work together, we can get to where the sea people were. They did it alone, a lot of it. And then added some pieces with some other civilizations. But we have enough pieces. The Norse within the last 2000 years figured out that if they sacrifice people in the same area, drink the blood and make sure they're horrified when it happens, they can at least bridge a direct line of communication clear to the other side. And they believed that with enough sacrifices, they can rip a hole. This sounds like a philosopher's stone. Almost. Get a s*** ton of people together, mass genocide. But then it brings up an interesting question. Because we know that 911 was staged for the blood and the fear. The elites do it where they trying to build a gate. That's a lot of sudden death.

Cristina: I don't know. Because the gates they make, I feel like, might be more like the gates Jesus was making before he was.

Jack: That's a one way gate.

Cristina: Exactly. So it doesn't even matter. You think we can't use these gates?

Jack: Well, the gates that Jesus made weren't. They didn't require death, they were just gates. He figured something out.

Cristina: Yeah, but I feel like that's what they're also making.

Jack: That's what's happening.

Cristina: Well, no, that's what the fear stories of them going. We always hear like that's where their God is coming from and talking to them. Or the Shupacabra.

Jack: Or would we hear of somebody disappearing forever into the Shadow Realm?

Cristina: Well, we don't have stories of them.

Jack: How would we have stories of them?

Cristina: Because there's a group of people. They will see one person.

Jack: Oh, fair enough.

Cristina: Like these group of people and they're only talking about the thing that's coming out of it. There's never like we or one of us.

Jack: One of the main stories that happens, and I'm sure you've seen this one too, is when the towers were collapsing. Well, first when the smoke was happening, the first planes hit and people were freaking out, they saw a face form. You've seen that, right?

Cristina: Yeah, that's just something coming through the Shadow Realm. Creature.

Jack: Yeah, Shadow Realm creature coming through at the pinnacle of where people are the most scared. Where the fire is, where the planes hit. And they haven't died yet. They're horrified. And something is coming through actively at that moment. And we're seeing it on video footage of it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But then here's another interesting one because there's a similar story that took place at a greater tragedy. And it was huge during World War II. There were stories, so many f****** stories of creatures wandering the battlefields at night. Wetchudge. When dingo is vampire as f*** any. Anything you could think of which checks out one way from that side.

Cristina: Exactly. I don't think we figured out how to.

Jack: How to get over there without dying. We can drink blood and get over there, but that's not the same as us getting over there. That's the f****** problem. Getting mortality. But we're corrupted the whole way.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: How do we do it?

Cristina: I don't know. We'll never figure that out. Or we never could.

Jack: I mean, we can, but it's literally been figured out.

Cristina: It's possible from something that's hiding.

Jack: Yeah. So we don't need them. They figured it out without help.

Cristina: They figured out. Well, the original guy had a guy from the Shadow Realm help him out.

Jack: We don't know that. We know that the Mayans receive two different portals One from the sea people and one from some dude from the Shadow realm.

Cristina: Sounds like help, right?

Jack: Where did the sea people get theirs if they don't have anybody from the Shadow realm?

Cristina: They have an ancestor who was at the Shadow Realm.

Jack: You're f****** right. You're totally right. Second. Second thing that I'm going to put out casually. We've not thought and we'll close it up here because we're like running. Yes. L like their ancestor. Instant. They've always been connected to the Shadow Realm since their beginning development. But what's weird about this, and we've never thought about this, but we even have confirmation in biblical text and hieroglyphs that we never get thought about and we've said her name so many times is Lilith. Oh, dude, Lilith is from the Shadow Realm, isn't she?

Cristina: I. I'm not.

Jack: She's been described many times as what? Say the word.

Cristina: I don't what the word.

Jack: Demon.

Cristina: A demon? Oh, yes, yes, yes. Her. Her children are what we call. What are those specific demons? The. The. The ghosts that want to have sex with you. That's what she created with Adam.

Jack: Succubus.

Cristina: Succubus? Yes, those things. Those are Shadow Realm creatures.

Jack: Well, she didn't make succubus. But she made something like Succubus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: She might have been a Succubus.

Cristina: Yeah, she came from the Shadow Realm. She definitely did. She just made more of herself.

Jack: Well, no, she made something similar to herself. Not even similar. They just said he made things, the succubus made things. So we're assuming, oh, they're Succubus themselves. But no, they can't be. That doesn't make any sense. There's some primitive human. They're just cave people.

Cristina: They're just cave people, but more Shadow Realm Y. Like, I guess.

Jack: No, it was just Earth science. And a Shadow Realm person activated the thing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's all. They weren't Shadow Realm creatures.

Cristina: They don't have her DNA though.

Jack: No, there's no DNA of hers in anything. Oh, how would they have her DNA? She has no DNA. If she's from the Shadow Realm, what's.

Cristina: The benefit of using the machines? Well, she just wants it, I guess, because some beings like to be gods doing s***.

Jack: Yeah, but the point here being made is that she was definitely from the Shadow Room. It's been in front of our face the whole time El was working with Sizen. Two million years ago.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: They're friends. Even if he wasn't us. Even if l wasn't A scientist. There's some dude he was already friends with some other dude. Some other dude that would later join a group of scientists that are working with the descendant of his friend. And then Lilith, definitely a Shadow Arm creature. Which tells us every science group had a Naga, an Earth Realmer and a Shadow Realmer.

Cristina: Oh, except for the original. What is he? I guess the ancestor of the.

Jack: That wasn't a scientist.

Cristina: Oh yeah.

Jack: He was just a dude. There's some dude and some other Shadow Realm. Yeah, yeah. It was just some two friends who happened to be from different realms. I don't think either one was really scientific. There was just a leader. I rule everything. And. Okay, this guy. Some two dudes. Chilling. But now the descendants of L, the people they work with, who. Then Susan, the friend of El, joins. Yeah, yeah, it sort of checks out. So every group has a Naga, a Shadow Realmer and an Earth Realmr. And somehow that's the combination that leads to rapid advancement. Meanwhile, we've only taken 2,000 years to.

Cristina: Get pretty close without any of that.

Jack: Without any of them.

Cristina: Oh, except for maybe the Shadow Realm stuff.

Jack: Well, we don't need help from the Shadow Realm. No, we just get immortality from it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Even if it's not the right immortality and we're all kind of f*****. Ultimately, it's still an immortality that people are fighting with, I guess. I guess they're like, okay, I'm gonna still live forever. Whatever.

Cristina: Whatever.

Jack: Anyways, yeah, that's. That's where we are right now. It's trying to tie all these loose wires. Nuts.

Cristina: It's too much information.

Jack: Yeah, it's. It's getting hard to keep track of. There's a lot going on. Somebody's gonna have to like, make a Wikipedia go through these episodes and like, put it so I can read what we have found ourselves, you know, because. D***, bruh. Or make a fan wiki and just lay out what we know so far. Somebody do this, please. I'm not gonna do it too much. Yeah, but somebody do it. So, yeah, it's possible that what happened on Mars has nothing to do with anything because of the primitive tools that exist on Earth. It might have just been two different instances. Anyways, please contact us, guys. Give us information. Tell us you're gonna make a fan wiki and elaborate on what we have found. All of the above. Above.

Cristina: Or connect Mars to any of this somehow.

Jack: Yes, please do that. You can reach us on all the socials, TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, and X@justconvo pod.

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Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening by it. Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

September 02, 2023

Rambling 241: The Forest of Shadows

September 02, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

What connects us to the Shadow Realm so deeply? Why do the Mayans continue to reveal deeper and deeper roots associated with the Egyptians? And how do the Sea People have such massive advancements on even the most technological of civilizations? Trying to find any information on the Shadow Realm after consistent data shows ancient research teams contained Jinn and other Shadow Realm creatures as members, the duo are taken far back in time into the past of the Persians, back when they were still known as the Sumerians. What pops up in this research answers questions the duo didn’t even know they had, but leave new standing questions behind.

Sumerians
The Persians
Shamash
Judge for the Jinn
Ganzir
Cizin
Ix Chel the Prodigy
Inanna and the Fruit of Knowledge
El
The Forest of Shadows
The Bridge of Realms

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Ramblin Podcast. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is a show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. That's my best impression of Jerry Seinfeld. That was the most impressive and baffling. Not even impressive. Baffling ideas. What's the deal with airline food? That's what he sounds like to me. What's the deal? What's the deal with airline food?

Cristina: I don't think it sounds like him, but that's definitely something he would say.

Jack: Bare minimum. It's his cadence, even if it's not like his voice. Right. He has like that weird drag. Oh, my God, he has that thing going on. Even if I don't sound like him, his cadence is there is the substance of what makes up his kodansi. Yes, his kodansai. So listen to me, bruh.

Cristina: I'm listening.

Jack: We've been deep diving into s***. Look, a couple of episodes ago, we stumbled upon the Sun Gods. And that was some crazy nonsense about people making a scientific group together with people from the Shadow Realm and some Naga and some. Some Egyptians. And it was weird.

Cristina: It was very weird. Yeah.

Jack: And we were like, wow, people working with the Shadow Realm. But we. We got there by chasing the Naga through Oros. And then I was like, how do I do. I know the Mayans are connected somehow because they always usually show up. It seems the Mayans and the Egyptians are the two most connected groups among all the people, and they're across the world from each other. And so I was like, we gotta look and follow this path right back to the Mayans next time. Which we did. And what did we stumble upon?

Cristina: The Moon Gods. I don't remember.

Jack: No, that's from the Shadow Realm. That's all right. That's what we're calling the people in the Shadow Room for the Universe. I don't remember the Earth Gods. Yeah. Which are essentially a bunch of botanists trying to make life out of plants and stuff, which was interesting and weird, but it was consistent. There was a bunch of Earth Realm people, a bunch of Shadow Realm people, and Naga again. Working together. Working together. And then one really weird part about that was a confusing tidbit at the very end where there's just some stuff that says, oh, yeah, oh yeah, there's.

Cristina: Research in the Shadow Realm.

Jack: Yeah, there's research, not research in the Shadow Room. We don't know that for a fact. They brought. Somebody gave them. Yeah, I guess there's research in the shadow room. It's portal research.

Cristina: The portal research came from the shadow realm. Yeah, that's what that was. Yes.

Jack: But then alternatively, the sea people made a portal for the Mayans, and that was weird.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Anyways, I know a lot of the time it seems like it's very disconnected because I have the imagery and I never bring it in because I just pull out the data and the information, extract that, and kind of keep moving forward from that point. But I. I felt it was necessary maybe for you to look at the actual imagery that connects a lot of this stuff. So I just put them all together because I found the location that was all putting it. And it's like this is how intensely similar these two cultures are looking at the same things, the same visuals, the same structures. And they claim that they were given all the specs by the sea people. So their civilizations were developed by the blueprints that the sea people provided. Here's the entrance of some temples.

Cristina: Is the choice of the entrance importance in some way?

Jack: No, it's just architecture provided by the sea people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: From one all the way in Mexico and the other one in Egypt. Very far apart. More structural similarities. Structure similar. It's gonna get way weirder.

Cristina: What is this?

Jack: Here you got this little T shape that matters and then the little curvy uppy thingy. And here you got the T shape with a little curvy uppy thingy. The difference is the Mayans had a lot of sculptures, as opposed to the Egyptians that had a lot of hieroglyphs.

Cristina: What does that mean? What could you guess about what the image is, or.

Jack: Well, over time, we have enough references that we can pull stories out of them. And when you compare notes, a lot of it is identical. But these are mainly, we're talking architecture and art, how identical they are. Because if I showed you text, they look very different. There's no point. What they're saying is the same, but then we gotta deep dive into that. So it's irrelevant to show you images of those unless you could read them both in their vein of tongues. But this is just consistently like, this is a weird one. The two lions facing away from each other. Now, we know lions aren't even for the Egyptians or the Mayans. It's what the sea people worship.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Anywhere the sea people are, we see these very detailed sculptures of lions. So here are two lions in some cases, connected by this kind of cross symbol.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The circle and then you have the lions again connected, but there's no cross symbol.

Cristina: There's no cross on, but they're still.

Jack: Connected and facing away from each other more or less the same way with a kind of barrier division in the middle. It's going to get weirder and weirder. It's exactly the same image as before.

Cristina: That's Egyptian. And that's what weird.

Jack: Right?

Cristina: Okay, that was. That's weird. His face is. Do you know who?

Jack: Well, it reminds me of Buddha. But interesting enough, the Mayan version of this is scary. Well, it's ancient. It looks significantly more ancient. And what's interesting about it is, are they. Who are they depicting? If they are both showing us an individual that looks the same. Is this what the sea people look like?

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: You see that? I found that interesting. This is the most vivid version of like a human face that they both have going on. It has the features of human face. Is that what the sea people look like in our current day cultures that came from the Persians and that came from the Mayans. Based on the sea people is like those red dots. The, you know, the tribal look. Was it adopted because they were following these people who were like gods to them.

Cristina: What are we looking at there? What's that?

Jack: We're looking at the dot on the forehead of a face. The dot on the forehead of a face. Just weird that this was a consistency through both of them. Dot on the forehead, the dot on the forehead. This got weird because I've seen both of these and I never connected. The fact that they're. It's a take on the same thing. It is.

Cristina: I have no idea what the first one is. I've never seen the Mexican.

Jack: It's like a human animal type of thing.

Cristina: Mm. Is it as big?

Jack: I don't. I have no idea what the scale is. I know the Sphinx is pretty large, but this is another real particular interesting kind of too exact thing going on.

Cristina: What exactly.

Jack: We got what's essentially a snake with two hands that the snake is laying on and they're kind of creating the same shape.

Cristina: Oh, those are the snake.

Jack: It's the coiled body of something. And it's weird that the structure is exactly the same. One Egyptian and the other Mayan. What weird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Such identical stuff going on. Either they saw symbols or something very weird. Again, here we got the guy trapped in the thing with the two people. What's happening? Portal.

Cristina: That looks. Yes, portal.

Jack: Are they sending somebody somewhere?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What's happened?

Cristina: That's. So that's a portal. Snow, I don't know, but it's so similar. Whoa. What is happening there?

Jack: What ritual is taking place here? We have a man standing over another person, another person crowning them or about to bash them in the head or something. And the hat the guy has is the same. Why? Why is that the case here? That's the weirdest part. You just got people dress identical across the Earth from each other.

Cristina: That is weird.

Jack: Very odd. Very strange. These are less related. It's just interesting how they structured these the same when they don't normally write this way. The Egyptians do, but the Mayans don't. Yet the Mayan still had laid out in a similar fashion these little cube structure things, the same way that the Egyptians would normally lay out their hieroglyphs. Also, the eye of Ra is that eyeball there, which is the snake, the serpent.

Cristina: Oh, that's the serpent's eye.

Jack: Yeah. Is the eye of rock. What the f*** is happening here? How is this hallway identical?

Cristina: I don't know. That doesn't make sense.

Jack: None of this makes sense. All of these things, the structure of their ancients were identical. The layout to the pyramids were identical. Here we have even more. This is. What's. This is the most interesting one. This is actually the last slide here, the seven points.

Cristina: What do you mean? Oh, okay. There's seven dots.

Jack: There's seven dots. These three creatures in India, Russia and Mexico have the seven heads happening.

Cristina: Yeah. Like seven snakeheads or something.

Jack: Yeah. But then you go into the structural version of them and you have again, India, that happens to have the three dots. Egypt has the three dots. Dots. And the Iranians and the Iraqis, basically the other Persians also had those dots.

Cristina: Okay. And which was the first three?

Jack: It was India, Russia and Mexico. So we have India connecting in two different points, having both variants, which then connects to Mexico. So we have the Middle east down here and we have the South America and then the Northeast.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Just everybody having the same visuals. Interesting enough. I've never seen the mention of Russia in any of this. And this is quite fascinating because. Why?

Cristina: You gotta look through their ancient history.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like, gotta go way back.

Jack: It's. It's interesting, right?

Cristina: It's the weirdest thing, huh? But I wonder, what's the difference? Because why wouldn't they all choose the body version, like in. I guess.

Jack: No, it's just different representations. They wouldn't have the same art. But they're depicting the same things in their individual art. That's what's fascinating here.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, you haven't come across anything that. That could be representing?

Jack: No, I have no idea what the seven headed whatever or the seven points are, but they seem to be represented across both.

Cristina: Unless this is just another version of. I forgot what those creatures are called.

Jack: The Jinn. You think these are Jinn?

Cristina: No, the snake people.

Jack: Oh crap. I mean we do have one of them. It's literally a Medusa esque kind of thing going on.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So these could definitely be the Naga.

Cristina: No. Yeah, we know they come in different forms and stuff. They don't look the same from the ones we've seen in the past.

Jack: So what I do find the most interesting. Really? Really. Is this center shadow looking version from Russia that gives me shadow creature vibes.

Cristina: So it might not be a Naga.

Jack: Well, no. The other two give me Naga feels. For real?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then down here when we look at just the dots themselves, it's very different. It doesn't give me the vibe of either this representative of something that makes.

Cristina: Me feel like it's even more shadow people related.

Jack: The abstract, obscure nature of it.

Cristina: Right. Yeah.

Jack: The hidden we must. Unless this is somehow representing something from the sea. People who are even more hidden than the things in the shadow realm.

Cristina: Or we do have that one random story of the snake who would wasn't happy where he was at so he popped up somewhere else and became the God. Yeah. Like this could be just one of those stories. One of those creatures deciding no, because.

Jack: These are inside of other civilizations that were respected. Like Egypt had its leader who was not.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So it doesn't apply that logic doesn't hold.

Cristina: That's true now.

Jack: Interesting. Right? I know I don't normally show you the imagery that I stumble upon while.

Cristina: Doing this research, but it is interesting.

Jack: But it's interesting and it's there. There's a lot of connection. I like that. I found this sort of like a lot connected all in one shot so I don't have to like fish them individually. So I was trying to find out because we've gotten mentions of shadow people hanging out with the minds and shadow people hanging out with the Egyptians. And so we know that people came from the shadow realm and we had people who weren't from the shadow realm abandon earthrealm and head to the shadow Realm. Abraxas particularly. So I went on a deep dive to find out whatever I could. And it took me way further back than I thought it would. But where we've been before, somehow it seems like the shadow realm had significantly more connections to us the further back we go.

Cristina: What do you mean, like, the further.

Jack: Back we go in time, the more access we casually had. The more forward in time we go, the more sealed up it seems to get.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: As opposed to us starting to build away there now we shut it in a rediscovering away it seems to be. So following this trail, I went back to the Persians. Weirdly enough, it took me.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The Persians are kind of where it all began. The sea people who exist in the neck of the Persian Gulf, also known as the Persian Gulf Oasis.

Cristina: So you found out more about them before they.

Jack: Well, not necessarily. More going backwards when they were still called the Sumerians. So we have to unpack the Sumerians to come up with some kind of baffling details that I didn't know about before. But it's because we began where the sea people were because unicorns took us to the sea people. So we made that our starting point instead of going back and seeing like, okay, what else is there?

Cristina: Where did they come from before they left? Okay. What?

Jack: So the Persians, back when they were known as the Sumerians. Let us begin. There was a man named Shamash.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He was a Sumerian. We're not gonna keep calling them Sumerians. I'm just calling them Persians for the sake of us understanding who we're talking about. But all the Sumerians are Persians. So a Persian judge. A Persian judge known to shortcut through the underworld to reach his place of work. I read that, and I'm like, what the. Somebody's just casually coming in and out.

Cristina: That's just a normal thing in his.

Jack: Normal thing in his life. So Shemesh became well known by the Djinn and was employed in being a judge for the region of the shadow realm in which he'd venture this is just some Sumerian story.

Cristina: I mean, he is. He's not a judge in the. No, he is human world.

Jack: No, he is. He was just cutting path through the shadow realm. He somehow just found a way to get in.

Cristina: But he was judging them too.

Jack: He was using a shortcut. Yes, through the shadow realm to get to work.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: His work wasn't in the shadow realm.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Shortcut means you're cutting through there.

Cristina: No, but it sounded like you also said something about.

Jack: Well, he was. Became familiar with the Djinn and was then employed by them to be a judge there too.

Cristina: That's exactly what I said. So he was. Me. He was a judge.

Jack: He specifically said he wasn't a judge in. Oh, yeah, he's a judge. He began as A judge in Earth Realm is the important detail here.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then he shortcut it so frequently that he became familiar with the gin in the paths he was kind of taking. They became familiar with what he does and they're like, wait, your job is to judge people and give a verdict of sorts. Do that for us.

Cristina: It's weird, but okay.

Jack: Very strange. He told his sister Inanna of this path he'd found and the people he'd met traveling through through it, and of his. This peculiar tree. He found a weird tree he found in this forest. Because he was cutting through a forest. Inanna asked to see it personally. And one day on his way to work, she accompanied him through the path, right to the tree. She took a bite of the tree's fruit.

Cristina: What's gonna happen?

Jack: And was suddenly filled with an immense rush of knowledge unknown to those in the Overworld.

Cristina: What? It was just there. It was just there. Whoa. Why was it just there? And did he end up doing the same?

Jack: There was no mention of that. She took a bite of the fruit in the Shadow Realm. She just found a tree. Well, he found the tree in the Shadow Realm. Brought his sister. She bit a fruit in the Shadow Realm. And then. Just knowledge.

Cristina: Whoa. So that's just a normal tree. There's nothing special about that tree.

Jack: It was just a tree.

Cristina: I mean, over there, like, it's very special to us, but, like, it's just a tree over there. There was nothing protecting it. There was no nada. It was just. She just picked the fruit from it.

Jack: Now going backwards gets way weirder than us moving forward and finding connections, because the more back we go, the more dots that are just casually mentioned together.

Cristina: Okay, but is that the end of her story?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Ganzir is an underworld palace ruled by the queen Ereshkigal and her family. They were chosen as the rulers of the region by the leader of the Shadow Realm, Sizen.

Cristina: I don't understand.

Jack: Sizen is exactly the same name that the Mayans used to describe the member of the Earth Gods that came from the Shadow Realm claiming to be the leader of the Shadow Realm. These are the f****** Sumerians, Persians way the h*** over there claiming. Oh, no, the leader's the same guy.

Cristina: Okay, but he chose one of the.

Jack: Just somebody else in the Shadow Realm to watch over this palace, this region. Okay, the weird part here is that they used the same name to describe the guy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like how again, you guys are divided by a f****** ocean, like, way long ago. How the h*** were you guys communicating? They're not even Persians yet. Mayans haven't happened yet.

Jack: How the f*** is this so on point?

Cristina: But the people know about this story?

Jack: I mean, yes, that's how we found out about it. Okay, through hieroglyphs and old texts. So, yes, they must have. Now, Geshtina, a botanist of the Genseer People. The Genseer palace is the one that's being ruled by the family chosen by SZM and Geshtinana.

Cristina: These are our Shadow People?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Geshtinana is a botanist of the Gandir People. Interesting. To a degree. A botanist in the Shadow Realm. Interesting. Whatever though. Until the next line here. Her younger sister, Ixchel. Is that name Platonic prodigy? Yes. She was also a member of the Earth Gods.

Cristina: She's the wife of that guy?

Jack: Yes. Yes, she is.

Cristina: What? These are the same names?

Jack: These are the same exact names. How?

Cristina: How?

Jack: Yep. Okay, but then when I just showed you the structures, like how.

Cristina: Yeah, that wasn't like Persia. Like, if we go to the time you're talking about, is there still stuff, art and etc from that time?

Jack: No, these writings predate those structures.

Cristina: Okay, because what did their art look like? Were they showing the same stories too?

Jack: I don't know. I think a lot of the events happen following this. Keep in mind that the events that we talk about on average, are after these people have already united with the other ones, the Earth Gods. Is these people after they've met the other people? Okay, right now we're talking about these people before they met the other people. We're talking about Ixchell and Susan before they met Izamna. You know, before Idzamna met Ra.

Cristina: Ridiculous.

Jack: Okay, weird. But her younger sister, this Shadow Realm botanist, had a younger sister prodigy called Ixcham, who we know later is the wife of Vidzamba. Okay, now you wanted to know again about Shemesh's sister, so let's give you some more details about Shemesh's sister. The judge who wandered through the Shadow Realm. Who the f*** knows how he came in to know the younger sister of Shemesh and the first Overworlder to consume what they referred to as a fruit of knowledge.

Cristina: Of course they do. Of course. Okay.

Jack: Travels to the Shadow Realm with frequency. After familiarizing herself with it, she starts just kind of going on without them. Like it, I've already been here. I know how to get here. Well, now it's unclear how the h*** they're getting here. That part is not elaborated. I looked. I was trying to find out how the h*** how Are you just wandering into the Shadow Room? There must have been some gates somewhere that they've stumbled upon. They're probably wandering to the top of a mountain and popping up somewhere else. Yes, that's my theory. They all are also Persians, which tells me you're probably going to Mount. Probably just going to Mount Kaf. It's.

Cristina: That's probably where you're taking to it at all.

Jack: They don't hint to it at all. But also my cough is in the middle of a body of water. You taking a boat here every day? How are you getting to the mountain? It can't be. There has to be another way. There has to be another way. I don't know how, but maybe there.

Cristina: Was a path to the mountain that was built on the water and we just haven't found that story.

Jack: Could be 100%. Who knows? Now Inanna befriends Gannanana and Ixchel.

Cristina: I can't remember these names.

Jack: The wife of Itzamna.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: When she's just a little girl.

Cristina: It befriends this other person. Sister.

Jack: The judge's sister.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Who keeps entering. She seems to be passing through the palace. The palace must be nearby. The one that sizen. This God of Death from the Shadow Realm. The one that he appointed this family to. And these are the botanists from that palace. And Inanna meets these people and befriends them.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: And they bond over the knowledge of their respective realms. Ixchell, consumed with curiosity, decides to alternate every six months with Inanna. And they would swap places. I'll spend six months over there and then back over here. And when I'm over here, you're over there. When you're over there, I'm over here. I'll just keep swapping places every six months.

Cristina: I wonder why.

Jack: They just wanted. They were so curious about each other's worlds.

Cristina: Yeah, okay.

Jack: But after only a single trip, they decided to swap places permanently.

Cristina: Whaaaat? Whaaat?

Jack: They didn't even do the six month thing?

Cristina: No. Wow. They're just like, nope, I'm in love now.

Jack: Yep. Inanna remains in Ganzir palace for the remainder of her life. And Ixshl remains in the Overworld for the remainder of her life.

Cristina: We don't really know what's the end.

Jack: Of her story of Inanna. Have no idea.

Cristina: Or I guess either of their stories.

Jack: Ixchil's story is to be part of the Mayan group and the Earth gods.

Cristina: Yeah, but like what happens to them? You don't know?

Jack: She marries itzamna she develops data storing technology. We know a lot of her life based on.

Cristina: We don't know what their conclusion.

Jack: No. As far as we know so far, no. And we have no idea what happens to Inanna because finding out what happens in the Shadow Realm without people coming back and telling us seems to be impossible. Yeah, seems to be impossible as of now. Now, Nettie, following the wandering of Shamash into the underworld, Sizen, the God of death, the ruler of the Shadow Realm, instructed Nettie to protect the portal.

Cristina: So there's a portal, of course, in.

Jack: And out of the Shadow Realm. He was shortly thereafter titled the gatekeeper of the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: So. But then this makes it seem like there's only one way in and out.

Jack: It was just that way that they were getting through.

Cristina: Okay. The humans.

Jack: Yeah. There was a way that somebody that they found and people were getting through it.

Cristina: Yes. And he was like, you're gonna protect this portal? Because so far, maybe there's just one.

Jack: There's probably many portals, but nobody seems to know how to go through them. Yeah, except this one. That's somehow casual.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Bellet Sari stationed with Nadi at this gateway to the Shadow Realm. She was in charge of recording, logging and reporting on any and all beings to come through the gates. With exception for Inanna and Shamesh, who had free passes.

Cristina: Cool.

Jack: Now a couple of more details about Sizen that we are quite familiar with to some degree. Sizen is the leader of all the Djinn in the Shadow Realm. We know that he's considered the highest being there. He is a God of sorts, a demonic godlike creature, even according to the Djinn. So the jinn are the human of the Shadow Realm. And they consider Susan some Unjinn, like other creature, some demonic powerful entity.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Out of everybody we have talked about unto this day, we can honestly break everyone down into being just another person. Either somebody who's consumed the fruit, somebody who has drunk blood, somebody who has done something weird to get abilities, or somebody who's using science to be there. With the exception for Mab that we have no explanation for. Assuming they are also just some sort of a scientist at a really high caliber in the Kardashev scale. And sizz it, they might be the.

Cristina: Same or similar things.

Jack: They might be similar things. It still seems that based on the idea of what Mab is, she might have created the Shadow Realm. Which means Szan must be below her. Unless he's not originally from there and he also comes from where she comes from. There's no way to know yeah.

Cristina: There's no way to know. That's complicated. But she's supposed to have made the Shadow Realm.

Jack: She made the Shadow Realm and Earthrealm and all the creatures within the Alphane.

Cristina: Okay. Man, that's a lot of work. Okay.

Jack: Who knows? It could have been instant. It could have been like the Hedron Collider. We don't really do much work. We turn it on, slam two atoms into each other. It took a fraction of a second. Done. We made an entire universe inside there. Like she could be that just running the computer.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's just fascinating. There's a creature who is not like the other Jinn. Like, they are really considering him something different. Something elevated, something escalated. Inanna is just a chick. Shemesh is just a guy.

Cristina: But they don't use the word God, do they? To describe him.

Jack: The Djinn allegedly call Sizen a demonic godlike creature.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So he's something so overpowered in their eyes, they're not even considering him a creature like the rest of what they're used to within their world. He is somehow unrelated to everything else they see in the Shadow Realm. That's just normal to them.

Cristina: Okay. Some demon, God, creature thing.

Jack: Okay. Some whole other thing. Everybody else we have broken down all the way until we know that they are a scientist. A person who acquired something. Something that makes them seem godly to people. Yeah, but Mabin, Susan are exceptions to that rule.

Cristina: I wonder if they're similar to each other. We don't know enough.

Jack: We don't know enough. I know at least the Shadow Realm itself is a product of man. But we don't know if Susan is. Was he made from within the Shadow realm or did he go to the Shadow Realm?

Cristina: Yeah, or she made him to watch over it like she did so many other creatures of.

Jack: Yes. Is he still made by her but not from the Shadow realm?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Fascinating. And if he isn't made by her, why is he in the Shadow realm? Because it would mean he is like her. But then would that mean the Mayans are more overpowered than the Egyptians? And maybe even the sea people?

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Then again, the sea people are godly just through science.

Cristina: Yes, they win. I mean, they're the ones sharing everything with everyone.

Jack: Yeah. They have escalated to a point so far that Mab is shook that she is taken aback by the scale and power of these guys. Her own means to cap off power did not work.

Cristina: And probably the shadow people feel the same way about them. We don't know about the sea people. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: It's Completely possible. We only know of their ventures through the Overworld, but God d***, bro. It really seems like at this point, if Sizen, this godlike creature, joins the Earth people and still ends up relying on advances provided by the sea people, like, wow, what does that mean?

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: How high up on the Kardashev scale? Because, okay, we just got to think about the ancient Egyptians and the fact that if the great Void is in fact them, that's stars among stars among stars among stars or galaxies, depending. I'm not even sure.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If it's entire galaxies, like, how far up the Kardashian scale are they? They're trapping entire galaxies within.

Cristina: And if they are doing that, they only got that way because of the sea people. Like, they're just sea people up there.

Jack: Yeah, the sea people are so beyond that. Most of space is just a plaything to them. They just happen to home base here.

Cristina: We're just so good at hiding everything.

Jack: Yeah. It's absurd, right? So unaware of when he came to exist, but powerful enough for most Shadow Realm creatures to fear and respect him. The Djinn consideration a God. Now, a story I found from Susan, as provided by the Sumerians, aka the Persians.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: 2 million years bc this is a story by the Sumerians 2 million. 2 million years ago.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I'm not saying the Sumerians were around 2 million years ago, but the Sumerians are claiming the story happened 2 million years ago.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: A man from the Overworld. I don't know how informed you are on things, but a man from the Overworld named El ventures into the Shadow Realm. Sizen did not like this at first, but spared the man. Upon multiple visits, El and Sizen befriended one another. Szin tells El of the Forest of Shadows.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: A Shadow Realm forest inhabited by many powerful Shadow Realm creatures. A place most Djinn avoid. And those who don't, rarely return with.

Cristina: Magical fruits in them.

Jack: Curious of this place. L visits the forest alongside citizen. Now, things you should know that make this very, very, very interesting. As we know, Jesus is a Persian, particularly from the Persian Gulf oasis, AKA a sea person. He claims to be the son of Jehovah. Proven wrong. But Jehovah is also a sea person. Yes, a sea person, particularly high in caliber. Probably the leader of the sea people. Seems to be that in all of these instances, the most educated, most informed individual, kind of like ancient cultures used to work, is the leader. And based on all information we have, Jehovah is the top of the food chain, including of the. When it Comes to the garden and the fruits and just everything. Just everything. Adam and Eve. All of the above, yes. If we look at Jewish text, the order is starting all the way Christianity and moving our way back. Jesus, Jehovah, Yahweh, Chaim. Then El, oftentimes considered Elfrim is. They're both one. If you go far back enough. The gist of gods in Abrahamic religions is a man named El.

Cristina: What time? I do remember that name.

Jack: And the Sumerians claim a man named El befriended a God named Susan in the Shadow Realm two million years ago.

Cristina: The most ancient sea people. I mean, we know they were so far back, like, so impossibly far back.

Jack: 2.5 million years ago.

Cristina: 2.5 million. Okay, this makes sense.

Jack: This is fitting perfectly into the timeline.

Cristina: Oh, was Alhaim the two names like the wife and husband or something?

Jack: So there's a million variants of this. Alheim is two brothers, Elheim is one individual. Alheim is husband, wife.

Cristina: Oh, okay, okay. But so far, yeah, we at least.

Jack: Known when it's broken up into two individuals, El comes first, time comes second. Oftentimes it's considered one.

Cristina: Alheim is El by himself ever in these stories?

Jack: Yes. You'll see L by himself. You'll never see Heim alone.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Chaim is always part of L. L is not always part of him. Okay, so El, Chaim or El, but never just Chaim.

Cristina: Okay, so we don't know if Chaim is real or not.

Jack: No, it's possibly that based on the elusiveness of this, one of two things is going on. Chaim is literally just another name for L or part of his name. And his nickname is L. Or Heim is the actual first shadow individual to encounter, and that's why he's more elusive than El is. So whatever. Jehovah of Dark, if we follow that train all the way up, we land at Heim, presumably. Okay, but there's no way to prove that. That's just a theory. As to the elusiveness of the second part of the name, it's more likely that it's just Elkhrame.

Cristina: It'll be interesting if that. That part of the name pops up somewhere. But. Okay, yeah. Whoa.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Whoa. In fact, that was a really interesting thing to come across.

Cristina: The story they have.

Jack: That's a story they have.

Cristina: That doesn't make sense. Or it does make sense. It's crazy.

Jack: Well, what's interesting is that means 2 million years ago. So if we follow the timeline 2.5 million years ago, we have these people making tools Primitive tools. Which means 5 million years go by. I mean, 500,000 years go by. That's enough time. That's more time than when we began to. Now, we've only been around 100,000 years. They would have 400,000 more years than we would. We've only been around 100,000 years. They would have 400,000 more years Than we would. From the point that they made their first tools to the moment the L meets sizzle. That's how long ago this would have been the first. This is, as of now, the first encounter between an Overworlder and a Shadow Realm individual.

Cristina: Wait, in this story, though, he takes him to the garden. Is that the end of that story?

Jack: No, garden. To a forest.

Cristina: To the forest. Okay. That was the end of that story, though.

Jack: Like the Forest of Shadows?

Cristina: Yes. No fruits involved? No. He ate something in that trip.

Jack: As far as we know now.

Cristina: Okay. I feel like that's where that would lead.

Jack: Okay, well, let's then investigate the Forest of Shadows.

Cristina: Oh, you have information on the forest. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Okay, so part of the forest through which she mesh would shortcut to work and where the tree Inanna grabbed a fruit from was located. So the same forest that El visited. As we know, a hundred. I mean, a thousand B.C. an overworld man appears as recorded by Belit Sari, the one that Susan put alongside Nettie to record anybody who came through. This is known because we have Shemesh, who is the judge for the Djinn as well. So we have, interestingly, a man working in both realms who can report on anything that has to do with the people he's working with. Okay, so, thousand BC an overworld man appears as recorded by Bellat City and claims to. And claims to have a note discussing the location and the contents of the forest. He asks permission of passage and it is granted. Actually, no, I said a thousand. This is 10,000 BC.

Cristina: 10,000.

Jack: 10,000 BC. So this is 10,000 years before Christ.

Cristina: He has a letter.

Jack: Note. He has a note. He's. He made a note?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Somebody gave him or something or he found it or whatever that says where the forest is and what is in the Forest of Shadows. Man is unnamed.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Just some guy.

Cristina: But they just let him through.

Jack: Yeah, he's like, look, I got. So he had some form of clearance, some awareness. Somebody was like, oh, yeah, green light, this guy.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which is weird already.

Cristina: That is weird.

Jack: You got a Gatekeeper and you got a person recording everything so you can know what the h*** is happening. And this dude, you've never seen 10,000 years before. Christ rolls up and he's like, look, I got a note. And it says that there's a forest here. These things in the forest.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: And then he's just granted passage.

Cristina: That is so weird.

Jack: Very weird. The man is reported to have picked one of every fruit he saw before leaving the forest.

Cristina: They were just cool with that. Whoa. He's a sea person. I don't know.

Jack: I think that was Jehovah.

Cristina: Still a sea person, but still a sea person.

Jack: I think that was Jehovah. I think Jehovah rolled up. He had. He what note? How? Who? Where'd you get it? Where the h*** did this come from? You were just looking through your, like, great grandfather's whatever the h***, and you found the thing and you're like, oh, f***.

Cristina: Oh. Gave him that now. Which I guess would be his great.

Jack: Grandfather or whatever either gave it to him, or he found it looking through old something something. Somehow he stumbled upon this. And he knew exactly where to go and exactly what to look for. Weird. So, story of the Tree of Knowledge. There is a story inscribed on an ancient Iranian temple. It suggests that El investigated a tree within the Forest of Shadows. He concluded that the trees within the forest were twisted and contorted, dry and odd, although alive and fruitful, because they were the roots to trees located somewhere in the Overworld.

Cristina: So it's like the Upside Down. He's telling us. Oh, my gosh. No. What? The Shadow Realm was the Upside down world.

Jack: What we already knew. It was a weird, warped version, but that's even weirder.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: He hypothesized that the fruits of these trees would allow creatures of the Shadow Realm passage into Earthrealm, and that fruits from the branches in the earthrealm would allow earthrealm creatures passage into the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: That would explain the judge. He probably had one of those fruits to find the path.

Jack: He had an overworld fruit he had no idea of and found easy passage into the Shadow realm. Then his sister must have eaten the same thing too, to just be able to casually go.

Cristina: He would know about that. Oh, man. Oh, this is out, right? Telling the story. He man. So then, yeah, he had to have told the sea people about the forest, and that's why that guy went into there to get all those fruits.

Jack: If he's even around. Again, he had a note. Nothing says anybody told him. He just.

Cristina: No, but he probably wrote that note.

Jack: Or Jehovah gathered information, and that's too random how? If your great grandfather already collected the information.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So he wrote it, give you the information? No, he didn't have to.

Cristina: But he did write it down.

Jack: He didn't have to write it down either. He could have just told stories throughout time. And this guy just. Or maybe he was a researcher himself again, he wanted to go investigate with Susan, his friends, like, oh, let's go look. I'm curious. Although it never said that l was a scientist or anything, it was just a guy that led to the creation of this symbol that shows up in.

Cristina: Many cultures, which is a fruit of knowledge, Shadow realm.

Jack: No, it's not a fruit of knowledge. It's a tree that exists in both the Overworld and underworld, where the roots are in the underworld and the branches are in the Overworld.

Cristina: Yes, yes, yes.

Jack: That's everywhere that exists throughout cultures.

Cristina: Throughout cultures.

Jack: Many cultures have the same imagery in many different ways.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Usually depicting some sort of infinity symbol equivalent where there are two equal sides standing up, a bubble on top, a bubble on the bottom, branches on top, branches at the bottom, hourglass shape or something with a line down the middle depicting equality on both ends. Even the yin yang symbol is sort of discussing the concepts that within the dark there is part of the light, and within the light there is part of the dark.

Cristina: See? See? Ooh, that's pretty cool. So that's just a representation, though, of the shadow realm and how connected we are to them.

Jack: Yes. This is how tight they get. Now, notice there is no mention of Elfame in this image.

Cristina: No, because we don't know anything about it.

Jack: No, we don't know. Crap.

Cristina: Even if it was connected this way, we wouldn't know how.

Jack: And it would be in some other way we're not understanding. It could be right in front of us and we're not getting it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This could be. This image could be already informed and we still don't understand how because we don't have the perspective to notice.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: How this image is discussing the Elfham.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: We have no point of reference.

Cristina: It's true. What? It could be right there in our face and we have no idea.

Jack: If we think the shadow people are elusive and all we're getting is shreds from people who've either been there or left there. How much more elusive is Elfame? And that being said, Susan, the highest being within the Shadow Realm. Mab, the highest being within Elfhame. Jehovah isn't the highest being in the Overworld. He's not. He's just another guy.

Cristina: Yeah, because there's no highest being there.

Jack: Might be. And it's not L either, because L is just some other guy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, as far as we know, Susan gave L the respect he deserved. That's weird. He didn't have to do that. But he also did that with random humans.

Cristina: You think there's someone that rules this earth sign that's equal to come back.

Jack: To the name that we have no information on. Heim. What the h*** is Heym if it's not part of L? Why can we come across L, but we don't come across Heim by itself. We come across Alchem. Interesting. I think there might be something there. Bare minimum. Okay, and if we have a serpent provided to Jehovah, how far back are there serpents? Susan didn't have a serpent. But he had. He was the big, big bad leader. But it doesn't seem he was advancing society. In fact, when he came to the Overworld, he was underneath Izama. He was just another guy on the team. Even if he's godly in scale, by comparison, he was just a follower.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what's happening. I don't know the scale of anything. None of it makes sense unless you actually know. None of us know.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. So shreds, little bits and pieces. I'm coming across. We know now where Ixshell came from. And weirdly enough, there are stories in Persia, the Sumerians, discussing this Mayan shadow creature. We have Szm being discussed in Persia by the Sumerians, this Trin, Mayan shadow creature. Oh, we have Inanna.

Cristina: Inanna being discussed.

Jack: Sumerian individual, a Persian meeting Ixchel, the Mayan. We already had mention of Ra and Atum communicating with Itzamna. And we know that based on both their testimonies that they have come across the Sea People. And they both claim to have been provided architecture and scientific advancements by the Sea People. And then we look at their structures and we look at their data, and there we look at their stories and we look at their records and their knowledge and their science. And it's the same. Mm divided by oceans. Where anyone else could not have come across each other. These two groups of people seem to be so interconnected, and they both claim the same f****** mountain, Kaath, that's tied even more than Athos.

Cristina: There's nothing we can learn about Kaath. Nothing more.

Jack: Nothing more. Kaath just doesn't even exist as far as we know.

Cristina: Is there any stories about mountains that just reappear and disappear or something. Anywhere interesting.

Jack: Anything. All we're doing is find cough. This is going to aim at Kaf.

Cristina: Yeah, but that would still be really interesting if other places see it.

Jack: Interesting. I see where you're coming from. Well, we know that the Indians knew of it and it was part of their tradition to make a trek there. And as far as H***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Indians would go all the way from India all the way to Kaf.

Cristina: That's very strange.

Jack: But they have no mention of sea people.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So you moved a mountain, but there's no proof they entered.

Cristina: I want to know more about that six headed snake creature or whatever.

Jack: Seven.

Cristina: Seven. Yeah.

Jack: That's an interesting point though. Although there's zero mention of the sea people. The Indians have the seven dots and the seven headed creature snake thing. And that is quite interesting because what is it that they are in fact connected with? If India has these seven headed things and India has the seven dots, what does that mean? What does it mean if they never once, as far as I know, mentioned the sea people? This has nothing to do with the sea people then.

Cristina: No.

Jack: At least we can remove that. The fact that one of them is snakes is interesting. Maybe these dots are representative of Oros or.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Mab or something in Elfame.

Cristina: Even in Russia.

Jack: That's interesting too. All of the. When it comes to the dots, they are all over the hands of people. Like they're holding it up like it's something glorious, something powerful, something marvelous, something above them, something godly. Yeah, but when it's structural, it's demonic and contorted and twisted and evil looking. So as a being, the seven represents something dark. But as the dots, it's God. It's above there. So there must be some godlike thing.

Cristina: His demon and God, they use it interchangeably anyway. Yes, things. Most ancient people, it's like it's good and it's bad and it's evil, but it's great. Like it's not really any. It's whatever it wants to be and we're just labeling it whatever.

Jack: So interesting point here though. Other than the fact that for the. For the Mayans it was a snake. Other than that weird detail. What stops. So in Mesopotamia, India and Egypt, they all consider this some godlike thing. But we know that none of their major leaders were represented like this. What if. And again, the Indians never once mentioned the sea people. What if this is an actual representation of what we were just discussing and it somehow. The God of the overworld of Earthrealm. What if this is the. What if this is what we should be focusing on to find whatever the h*** that is. Sizend is the highest being, the highest power godly by the claims of the Djinn themselves.

Cristina: How do we know that's not Susan?

Jack: Interesting. You think Susan might be just in Oros, not an Oros. The snake part is what throws me off here.

Cristina: Yes, it does. I don't know. That's true.

Jack: But also the Jin do. But they don't just say. If it was just a Naga, then it would have been obvious to the Djinn. Because there are other Naga.

Cristina: But he's so different.

Jack: He's so different. He couldn't be.

Cristina: He can't be.

Jack: It must be something else. There is something else happening here.

Cristina: Gotta do more research.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: It could totally be him. But probably not. Probably not.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. I know. Seven is really important. It's the most important. Seven is the most important. That's what we're looking at. It's the most important. Height of importance is seven.

Cristina: Yes. Seven heads.

Jack: Seven heads or seven dots. So when there's seven dots, doesn't matter how far apart we are. One is in the middle, three on top, three on the bottom. Alternatively, this could be a visualization of the connection to the shadow realm. The top, the thin center, the bottom.

Cristina: And so it has nothing. It doesn't represent that creature. But that creature has to be coming from the shadow worm. I don't know.

Jack: In the case of the creature. In the case of this creature, the Mayan version and the Indian version don't have a center point, while the Russian version does. There's a center point and then three to either side. That doesn't seem to be the case with the Indian visualization of a seven headed thing. And that doesn't seem to be the case with the Mayan representation of a seven headed snake. Being. This is more like Medusa or something. Which is weird because again, that's a Greek Naga. How the h*** are the Mayans so connected to everything they also know about that?

Cristina: I don't know. But what if this is Medusa? Like, well, how would we know it's not?

Jack: How would we know it's not? Well, over here it looks like apes. Seven headed ape creature.

Cristina: It's too hard for me to really see, I guess. I don't know. You see apes in that.

Jack: But then when we look at the dog.

Cristina: No idea. I don't know.

Jack: It's complicated. This is. This is worth picking apart.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because there's something here. Although when we look at Russia, it looks like they are showing us a visual of the shadow realm. Any creature in the shadow realm.

Cristina: I wanna know their story.

Jack: Yeah, we've never come across the Russians. The first mention of Russia is in this image.

Cristina: I'm sure Russia has a lot of horror stories. We gotta look that up.

Jack: Yep, that's what I got. This is me trying to zero in.

Cristina: We are definitely zeroing in on something. I just don't know what it did.

Jack: We're always closer than we were, but we are always left with a crap ton more questions than we began with.

Cristina: Yes, I have no idea what's going on.

Jack: That's where we are. That's where we are.

Cristina: But it's connected somehow.

Jack: Everything seems connected somehow. Everything seems connected somehow. And we have the Persians discussing this dude named El showing up.

Cristina: And that is amazing.

Jack: That's beautiful. That tells us a lot.

Cristina: Who knows where else he shows up?

Jack: Yeah, 100%. That's crazy. He is definitely a sea people. Sea people. Sea person.

Cristina: Ancient sea person.

Jack: Nation. Sea person. The great, great, great something of Jehovah.

Cristina: Yeah. That's so cool.

Jack: Okay, anyways, that's what we got. That's what I got. That's as far as we've gotten thus far. And hopefully we can come up with some other details and find some other things. But as of now, maybe next week we'll come out and put something else. But the similarities are striking and the stories are tying up more, more and more. And now, with the help of L and his conclusions, we have a tighter connection between the Shadow Realm and the Overworld Earth Realm. They're one. So now. Which is why it's easier to get from one to the other than it is to even conceive of what the h*** Elfame is.

Cristina: Yep. Which has to somehow be connected somehow.

Jack: It has to be tied in. It has to be. Everything is tied in somehow. Elfame is tied in. It has to be. You're totally right. It has to be. There's no exception to this. We just don't know how. And once we see it, we won't be able to unsee it. But until we see it, we have no idea what the we're looking at.

Cristina: Yep. But it's there.

Jack: It's there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Anyways, if you guys have any input, please message us. Hit us up on our socials at just convopod on Tick Tock, Facebook X or Instagram.

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Jack: Yes. And word of mouth. Be sure to tell people who might have some input, insight or any kind of anything to add. If you know anything about the seven headed creatures or the seven points that in hieroglyphs and sculptures are above the most powerful beings civilizations, please tell us.

Cristina: What we don't know. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

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March 04, 2023

Rambling 216: The Persian Golf Oasis AKA Atlantis

March 04, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Were the Atlanteans real? If so, can we prove it? And if we can prove it, who went out of their way to hide the truth and why? The duo unpack the true history of the Persian Gulf Oasis people, their history, records of their existence and where they fled to. Uncovering where they fled, why, and who took the opportunity to suppress their existence becomes a tale as old record keeping itself.

+Episode Details

Atlantis
Naval Rival of Athens
Sea Peoples
Egyptians
The Persian Gulf
Mayans
A Future Tragedy
Philosopher Philo
Technological Advancements
Mayan Glyphs
The Height of Atlantis
The Bronze Atlanteans
Catholic Suppression Effort
The Virgin from The Persian Gulf
Jesus Christ the Son of the Persians
The Atlantic Ocean

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+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is a show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today, there is quite the series of baffling ideas. Something that we've been kind of trapped. It's. It's an infinite, infinite loop of the same crap over and over. We can't even escape it. I've tried.

Cristina: You've trapped us in this loop. We're time travelers. Time travelers. Time travelers, like how they get stuck in a loop once they start using a time machine, which we did before all of this happened with Jesus.

Jack: I forgot that happened. And yes, absolutely is kind of sort of the case.

Cristina: Although this is somewhat unrelated. Right? This isn't related to Jesus.

Jack: I wish.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: No, it came full circle. This. This came full circle. It came full circle. We're trapped. I'm telling you, it's a loop. It's infinite.

Cristina: Okay, so.

Jack: So, okay, I need to, like, recap everything that has happened so that everybody knows, and I'm gonna give you episode numbers and everything. There's much more episode numbers that aren't in this list. I'm only talking about the recent stuff. There are many episodes from long ago that include ancient civilizations. That's talking about the Mayans, what happened to the Egyptians, what happened to the Mayans. Other episodes that include the Atlanteans roughly brushed over. Things that include unicorns, Rush roughly brushed over as well. Mythical creatures and things of that nature. But we have recently gotten stuck in a series that we can't seem to escape by any means. And it's kind of getting aggravating because the hole falls deeper and deeper. But I think we. We brushed over the main point, like, two or three episodes ago, and that gave us a direction as to where to go, which is how we landed at the most recent episode. And that took us here. So let me go through the idea. First we went, which was rambling, to 11. We were talking about unicorns. We were trying to figure out how to catch Santa Claus because unicorns have very similar magic. This started on a very ridiculous note, as usual. We f*** around a lot, and things sometimes make sense. You find two things that have the same abilities, more or less, and then you go and find the thing and try to, you know, make it make sense. So we went. We tried to break it down, try to understand how unicorns, their magic is so Similar to adrenochrome. And their blood is so similar to adrenochrome. And like, people really fixate on unicorns Dangerously, almost.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: Minus the fact that it doesn't change people.

Cristina: But they all seem to die and become alive. Even though it's something that keeps everyone alive forever.

Jack: Yes. After they become obsessed with it. Because the thing is, nobody ever gets a hold of it. The attempt to get it gets you killed.

Cristina: But even the people who had it died.

Jack: They didn't know how to use it. They were studying it. Everybody was trying to figure it out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And died in the process. That's the problem. While adrenochrome also gives you immortality, it almost always works too. And like, you're kind of good forever. You might lose your mind if you don't get it, but you're good forever no matter what. Its effects are permanent. While it seems like with the unicorn magic, not so much, but. Okay. So we go through the unicorns and we find a couple of odd things here and there and we diverge away. We're like, okay, we're good. We got enough information on this. I found something real interesting, guys. There's an old equator. There's an old equator that encircles vertically instead of horizontally on how we usually see the map. And it has a bunch of locations. But it's really weird because there's a lot of structures along this. Structures should, in theory, not have known that the old equator exists because we hadn't come up with physics. We have.

Cristina: What episode is that?

Jack: That's episode 212.

Cristina: Okay. And the next episode, though. Yeah.

Jack: So we, we dive in and we are breaking apart the equal details of the equator. And it's.

Cristina: Is that when we start talking about unicorns again or we just. We don't mention the unicorns in the episode.

Jack: We don't mention the equators in the episode. We just, you know, we're going through it, we're realizing that it's kind of strange that people who don't have the science, they don't have the math, they don't have the physics, they don't have the astrological know how or the understanding of Earth. They don't have the navigation ability, capacity, or the ability to get anywhere fast enough for within 100, 200 years to establish a clean line straight across the world in which entire civilizations built their monuments. They must have started all at the same time to have them built around the same time. That was incredibly strange. Really, really, really weird. And in going through this right we find out that one, it's called the great Circle. That is the old equator. There are many ancient sites on it, but there's one particular impressive site, the Pyramids of Giza, which we've talked about before as being particularly impressive things that exist. And the Pyramid of Giza is lined up with the constellations, and it lined up in such a way that its coordinates are identical to the speed of light. If you simply move the decimal point and change no numbers, just hinting towards extremely advanced technologies or sciences that should have been impossible for them at that time. Obviously, the instant paranoia of aliens, help them figure it out, or whatever, those came into question. But there was only one way to solve the problem of the old equator, and it was to find out. It was to find out how exactly they got the information. And it all pointed to one specific thing, roughly. And we had to assert a lot of things, but it claimed that one of the places needed to have highly.

Cristina: Advanced technologies, which would be Atlantis, which.

Jack: Lands in the Persian Gulf, which is also in the old equator. So it was perfectly placed that there would be one group of people who have extremely advanced technologies that could then give it to everybody else across the old equator along the planet. All of this checks out, except we had to assert it. But we know already, through enough research, that this spot is where Atlantis is said to have been by many different sources, but, you know, incoherent and not the greatest traceable, important details. They called it a paradise. The Persian Gulf oasis is what a lot of places called it.

Cristina: Before, it wouldn't be called Atlantis Pisa. Atlantis means it would be in the Atlantic Ocean. And this isn't the Atlantic Ocean.

Jack: This is just exactly. Okay, yes, you're on the right track. So the Persian Gulf oasis was the original name of this place. And according to any source, they were always very advanced technologically. Okay, so we're done with that episode. We're like, cool. Cool beans, bro.

Cristina: Cool beans.

Jack: Cool beans. We got info on things and stuff, and it kind of made sense the way we usually do, because we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then you follow up with, wait, but what about last week's episode about unicorns? I'm curious as to what's magic about unicorns. Is there a proof of magic? And to which I was like, fair enough. There was a lot of stories of magic, but it wasn't any proof of magic. So fair enough. I'd go, I go on this journey to show you the proof. I'm a pretty good researcher. So I go on my route and find the things I need to find my yellow brick road.

Cristina: And that's when we discover that guy.

Jack: Antonio Dracos.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: Antonio Draco centers the picture. He's a weird individual. He was mentioned roughly before when we were talking about unicorns. Just glazed over. Some dude who was mentioned when we were talking about unicorns.

Cristina: This is when we go in depth of his history and all that with the unicorn.

Jack: Yes. So this is episode 213. But back in the unicorn episode, we were. As we were going through details of unicorn, there were three mentions of unicorns in, like journals that people kept back then. Very rough, basic. Oh, I saw a guy who did the thing. One particular weird one was a ship captain was keeping actual records of the passengers aboard his ship. And he noticed a couple of weird things, including the guy who was the merchant, who was nameless merchant at that point. And he had what he was claiming was unicorn horn alicorn. And he made some potions and things out of it. And he gave people. He didn't see a particular case of a person who showed up crippled but left perfectly fine. But he knew people were taking it. So he asserted that perhaps this person had taken the potion and it literally healed them. That was as close as we got to proof of the magic. And then you wanted actual proof. So here we are, we dive into the guy who had it. Apparently there were records of him existing in many locations. And it was actually really easy to track this guy down after you find his name. So we went down that road, which began with a lot of public records. Now, most of these public records came from the same sources which were old. Old ancient Greek records. I say ancient, but that's an exaggeration of 1700s. 17. It begins actually at 1730, where it.

Cristina: Keeps track of this guy that's not really ancient.

Jack: Not ancient. Old.

Cristina: Yeah, old.

Jack: Very old. Public records. Now, where these public records become particularly important is that they really do manage to track this guy's entire existence, kind of excessively. So we find out that he gets the. He gets the unicorn horn from some dude named John, and he takes it and establishes a school where he tries to study it with a bunch of people. And these people then go on a quest to find other people. They cross an area, people find out they had the unicorn horn.

Cristina: There's some war that breaks out.

Jack: Yeah, the war breaks out between the Turkish and the Russians just trying to get a hold of the magical horn that they thought they found. And, okay, a lot of things happening. So Mystical horn. It's called alicorn when you have it. It's the material that the horn is made out of. You can make potions out of it. Unicorns particular tears are also powerful. But we don't have this. This is just data being talked about. There is blood from unicorns that is also said to be extremely powerful. But again, we're talking about the horn at this point. But these are just data points that this man comes up with doing research and asking around about unicorns. Now the Greek merchant crosses through the entire Russian area, through the Turkish area. The war breaks out and okay, great, fantastic. They gotta get the h*** out of there. The guy who he showed it originally with, in that they established a school, gets murdered. Eventually he gets killed too. The horn disappears. Now, going backwards, we find out that the very first thing John the Russian said is that I found this very important thing that you must keep safe atop a mountain called Athos.

Cristina: Yes. And that's where the next episode comes in.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Because the next episode is us truly trying to establish how the h***. How the. Like really, really. It's bugging me at this point. How are the people on the equator, realistically minus Atlantis, doing? How did. How did it happen? How did they put these structures on the old equator? So we go trying to find the missing link. We go and we find when language began in order to have records in the first place. Just talking, just talking. When they could communicate complicated structures. So we had to find out when conversation started. We have to find out when tools were built, because that's what's going to allow you to make these complicated structures in the first place. But just for the sake of it. We also went far back enough to find out how far back life began.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Where intellect began work, the conscious behavior that we now consider to be intelligent life that would later become humans began all these little details. And it so happened that it's way too far later after the equator. The old equator was 480 million years ago. And the beginning of this process was only about a hundred million years ago. That is an excess. And conversation really began, actually was 2.5 million years ago, when the intellect were aware of and the first words were ever spoken and the first tools were built. But humans as we know them right now happened about a hundred thousand years ago. And the first words that would later become sentences happen there, which actual sentences and complex language happening about 50,000 years ago, way far from 480 million years ago. We're way gone. And I'm talking really, really Fast right now, intentionally trying to do this recap as fast as possible, because there is a lot to go through. Now, the tools that we first found were the alderman tools. Those were what would later become the H*** sapiens. Atlantis is first mentioned in Greek records, as far as we knew. But we will correct that shortly when we put together many, many other records. Unicorn dust, unicorn horns, all mentioned briefly throughout this. And then we just quickly go over the prehistoric eras and the oldest known structures, which are way too new, with the oldest being about 12,000 years ago. And that is way too new compared to the old equator being 480 million years ago. The first advanced tools, not advanced tools, but basic tools being 2.5 million years ago. First words being spoken 100,000 years ago. First complicated sentences being spoken 50,000 years ago, and these structures first arising 12,000 years ago. There is a clusterfuck of incorrect timelines happening here. The solution we had was it's probably Atlantis. And we do a tiny bit of a deep dive there and really kind of comb through all the things necessary to find out. Yeah, okay, fair enough. If we insert this group of people who exist in the Persian Gulf oasis.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Then we solve a lot. They have to be able to accomplish things that seem impossible, but we say, hey, we figured it out. It had to be some. Either aliens or somebody was just advanced enough to do it. And we know that at least the Egyptians were way more advanced than we give them credit for. So, okay, we move on, and we go to Mount Athos, where we found out about the unicorns. This immediately gets astoundingly weird. Yes. When we find out. Hey, apparently, according to Greek records, the Atlanteans were there. Huh? The Atlanteans that were trying to solve the problem with the equator from.

Cristina: Yes. Riding on their Pegasus.

Jack: Yeah, riding on their Pegasus, landing atop Mount Athos for whatever reason. The same mountain where they're said to be unicorns. The same mountain where the Catholics are stopping people from going to the top.

Cristina: Wait, is that the same episode or that's the next episode?

Jack: It's all the same episode. This is the latest episode.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: That's 2015.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Where we see the unicorns are top of the mountain. The same mountain that a Russian named John said would have things. We also found out in a previous episode when we were talking about the records that two different records mentioned atop Mount Athos, they had come across unicorn horns.

Cristina: Yes. And we also found out that Mary somehow ended up there with a Pegasus, maybe. Question mark. Or a unicorn. I forgot what she wrote on.

Jack: She got there on a boat that got pushed off course on her way to Cyprus. And on her way to Cyprus, she got there, got lost, found this paradise island, and then she took a horse to the top of the mountain. But when you look at the mountain, that's kind of impossible because it's steep. In a really absurd kind of fashion.

Cristina: It had to be a unicorn.

Jack: It had to be a unicorn.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: Because traveling essentially vertical.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: The virgin thing makes sense because she was a virgin. Yeah. That was a very important detail that didn't make sense to you back then? No, yeah, no, of course. Yeah. She was on a unicorn that allowed her to go to the top of the mountain. This all fits. Little by little, all the pieces just fell into place. So this thing about the top of the mountain becomes quite intriguing. And we find out that the Christians stole a book from the Russians. There are many monasteries there. The Christians stole a book from the Russians and took it to the very top of the mountain where nobody travels. There have been 20 people in the last thousand years who have gone to the top, to the summit of the mountain. Nobody's allowed up there. It is the holiest ground, presumably because Virgin Mary went up there. Nobody's allowed to step foot up there, no matter what. We also discussed how Mount Athos came to be. There was a fight between Poseidon and Athos the giant, and either Poseidon threw a rock there or Athos was buried there, whatever the case might be. Now, weird things. Many relics are on this place. A bunch of these relics are on top at the summit, hidden with important details. But the most important is the fact that a pointless bestiary, that's what was taken. That's the book that was taken. A pointless bestiary. And there's only one thing that's particularly weird in that the mention of unicorns.

Cristina: How do you know that's mentioned in that bestiary? Are you assuming that it is?

Jack: No, because that is what the records say. It's a bestiary with the mention of unicorns. It is the same bestiary that was recorded in Russia. It was brought here as they were keeping records of all the different creatures, and then it was confiscated by the Christians and taken to the top of the mountain, where they refused to let anybody go. So a bcre that claims proof of unicorns, identifies them quite specifically, was taken to the top of a mountain. So nobody can look at it. Weird.

Cristina: Very weird. Okay.

Jack: And that's all at the summit of Mount Athos.

Cristina: And that is a good summary of.

Jack: Everything that we talked about, now we are caught up. So let's go through details. I found individually, just deep diving into the people we're trying to use to solve this problem, the Atlanteans.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: So first we have to keep in mind the Atlanteans is the name we're going with right now for very specific reasons which we will get to Atlanteans. And important because Atlantis important. Okay. So the Atlanteans were direct naval rivals of Athens, the Greek.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The only thing that kept them at peace was Mount Athos, a trade point. They would arrive at Mount Athos on their Pegasus on top of the mountain, come down, trade with the people in the surrounding regions, and then leave. That's why Mount Athos is considered, although in Greece, a suffering state of its own. It is neutral territory between these two countries. Between everybody. Yeah, it's neutral territory on Earth. That's why there's so many different monasteries of different religions there from different countries and different belief systems. This is a peace location. Very, very important peace location. Treaties of all sorts. No blood is to be spilled on this mountain. Now, about the Atlanteans. There is a couple of things that aren't understood. Where did they go? When they were in the Persian Gulf, there was the Great Flood, which potentially cleared them out. That is when the Earth got flooded. Because of the position of where they were, there's a million rivers headed their way. While other locations would have sea levels rise significantly, although the water here wouldn't rise significantly, it would still head in their direction through the rivers. Many, many, many rivers. Which means they would suffer the worst consequences because from every direction, water is coming full force and it's going to smash into you. Crazy. Now, weirdly enough, we have situations. Two specific situations of people in Mass. 1, an entire series of population disappearing. The other, many people from a location disappearing. Those are the Egyptians and the Mayans. Very important that we mention these people right now.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The Mayans allegedly go underground. We know that there are complicated tunnels, people disappeared, no trace. We're assuming graves on the ground. But assuming their technology was as advanced as suggested, they could have had electronics, they could be plugged into the Matrix, which is an episode we did a long time ago talking about the possibilities of that.

Cristina: We got to find that yourself.

Jack: Yeah. The other thing is the Egyptians that happen to have quite complicated technology engraved into the pyramids of Giza, they have instructions to use heavy technology. They have instructions on creating batteries and instructions on using a singularity based entanglement device. Which doesn't even make sense. And that is ritual. Ridiculously advanced for people who were thousands of years ago when they built this. That's okay. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Where'd you get it, bro? But. Okay, we'll leave that where it is and keep it moving. The Egyptians used to call the Atlanteans sea people.

Cristina: Okay. They live in the sea?

Jack: Well, they lived in the Persian Gulf.

Cristina: Is that a sea?

Jack: No, it's like a. I mean, I guess you could call it a sea. It's just very small. It's in between a bunch of countries in a small. It's more like a ginormous lake or something. It's a body of water, but I don't think it's a sea. Then again, you can call that a sea, I guess. It's not an ocean.

Cristina: Okay, fair enough.

Jack: It could be a sea. But they would call them the Sea People. Not that the. The name has to be literal or anything. Now, things we know about the Atlanteans. The Atlanteans are settled in the Persian Gulf at the height of their civilization's development. Cool. As recorded in Greek and Russian records. We confirmed this before that they were mentioned not just by the Greek, but by the Russians. And then as we kept looking, we found records from other people. I don't remember exactly who they were, but there were like six or seven sources continuously mentioning the. Actually, one of them was the Bulgarians as well. I remember that. So there, you know, there's a couple of records and mentions of the Atlanteans from different sources. So, okay, it's a little more valid that these people existed and perhaps helped to some manner, shape or form. Everybody who mentions them claims they are astoundingly advanced. More advanced than us is on every text possible. So one of two things occurred. As I said, either the Atlanteans were drowned during the Great Flood, which is likely a result of the comet that hit. Giant meteor that came from space, hit the water, created the flood, killed the dinosaurs, whatever. Presumably our timeline on that is messed up. And it wasn't the dinosaurs that died there. The dinosaurs died because of one rock hitting the Earth. But a different rock hit the Earth at some point, creating the Great Flood. Either that happened or predicting an incoming tragedy. Similar to the Egyptians and the Mayans, they fled, but in a different method. While the Mayans went underground and the Egyptians went to space, it is likely.

Cristina: They went to the Atlantic Ocean.

Jack: They went into the Atlantic Ocean away from the Persian Gulf, where the water is too turbulent. Anything that happens will shake that whole s*** up. But if you go to the center of the ocean, water is moving above you. You're nice and safe. Logic.

Cristina: How?

Jack: How what?

Cristina: That they did that. That's crazy.

Jack: How did they do what?

Cristina: Go in the. Under the ocean.

Jack: If we can go under the ocean. Now we're talking about people who are more advanced than we are.

Cristina: We can't go deep into the ocean though, right?

Jack: That's why we're talking about people more advanced than we are. We can go pretty deep. And we're like nothing compared to people who had the ability to submerge an entire city. Assuming that's the people we're talking about. That's beyond our capacity and our understanding. And again, we can go pretty deep in a tiny little submarine. Imagine people with the technology to travel around the entire Earth. Have sophisticated numerology in order to coordinate several different civilizations and align one to constellations and know the speed of light, cross reference these things and do it simultaneously. Like, okay. Definitely the least of our problems is how they did it. It would be too easy for them to do it.

Cristina: But why under water instead of in space? I guess if they knew, if they had the science to travel in space.

Jack: Why go to space if you don't need to go so far? I don't understand the question. Why go to space if you don't need to go so far?

Cristina: I don't know. It seems like they were into space.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Why would they not want to travel space?

Jack: No, it seems like the Egyptians were into space.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And it seems like the Mayans were into the ground.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. I don't understand. What about the Atlanteans makes you think they were into space?

Cristina: Because I thought they were the ones that helped the Egyptians figure all that stuff out.

Jack: Yes, but they helped the Egyptians figure it out. There's no mention of them ever doing anything space related other than helping the Egyptians out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In fact, the other plethora of civilizations had nothing to do with space. Some people were just building clocks to tell time on Earth. Like really complicated exact clocks, things that measured exact dates. Like that's all just based on Earth. There was only one group of people who were. It seems like every group of people had a different purpose to some degree.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Some underground, some in the space, some tracking time, some tracking this and checking that. So it's not like they were about one thing. If anything, they were trying to capitalize on all the different things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they didn't have anybody capitalizing on the ocean, so they took that one themselves. Also one of the more complicated things, because you can go to space, there's no pressure up there. It's harder to go underwater because. Immense amount of pressure.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The further down you go, the less likely somebody is to follow you. Somebody can follow you into space. The Egyptians could have easily followed the Atlanteans had they gone to space, because the Egyptians themselves could have done it. But could the Egyptians have followed the Atlanteans to the deepest depths of the ocean? With that level of pressure, you could hide from anybody down there. Nobody will ever find you. In fact, that's literally the case. If you're down there, how the h*** are we ever gonna know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's no way we can get to you. So those are the two possible situations. Now we have to consider the different people that mentioned the Atlanteans. Plato mentioned. And Socrates mentioned. This guy mentioned that. That guy mentioned. A whole bunch of people were talking about how they've been, where they've been. The first on record mention was in fact Plato.

Cristina: Yes, about. They're like 9,000 years more advanced than them or something.

Jack: So the mental. Actually that's not even Plato who said that that information came out much later, calculating the data that they had. Yeah. The information is that they were about 900,000 to about a million years ahead of the Egypt oceans at their height.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: So they must have peaked back then. That far back. And that they've just been coasting kind of from that point.

Cristina: Okay. And what the. Pluto.

Jack: Say Pluto.

Cristina: Plato, Plato.

Jack: It doesn't matter what Plato says. He was just the first dimension.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: We're talking about Philo. He claimed the Atlantis. The Atlantis was larger than Africa and Asia and that it wasn't even a great flood that took a mount, but rather an immense earthquake. This is directly conflicting with everything.

Cristina: Yes. So is it just another continent that went underground?

Jack: Essentially, he aimed towards the heaviest version of science. It wasn't some random event that. Like no biblical event. It just the tectonic plates shifted and this place sank as a result.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: His theory is it's still in the Persian Gulf at the bottom. Mmm. Weird. Totally different story. Now, he also claimed that it wasn't just technologically advanced, but the embodiment of a utopia. It was paradise.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Hence the name the Persian oasis.

Cristina: Mm. Makes sense.

Jack: Now, technologies were claimed to be more advanced than current day technologies by miles. We're talking that at that time, they claimed that where we are now is insignificant by comparison to what they thought those people were capable of. Yes, they Thought these people were capable of instantaneous travel from any point on Earth to any other point on Earth. That's something we didn't even know. Instantaneous travel. The unicorns and the Pegasus were just showing off. We got animals.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We could just warp in front of you if we wanted to.

Cristina: Interesting. And some. Wait, what? Like, why would Greece even think that they could fight these people off?

Jack: I'm not entirely sure.

Cristina: That's kind of crazy.

Jack: It's crazy, right? But it also, although they were naval competitors, it was more about the territory, which is why the truce was settled and there was a neutral area established. Because who would show up there to trade? The Atlanteans. The goods were required. From who? From the Atlanteans. It wasn't that Athene's. You got to understand that also the people writing the stories are the Greek. So the Athenians essentially writing, oh, we were equal to them, but everybody else is like, not the bullshit.

Cristina: Okay, yeah, that makes sense.

Jack: We were totally equal and they were our rivals. And it's like, no, they could have. You were a speck of dust, a roach, not even an ant. You're some afterthought to them. But of course, you got to try to feel equal. But then, at the end of the day, they had everything you needed. They were way more advanced. They dominated the entire region. You completely, literally avoided that area simply because they were there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So rivals. Kind of a crazy, absurd stretch. Now we enter an interesting, kind of weird area. The Mayans have hieroglyphs and texts, writings that actually mention the Atlanteans, but they don't mention them so directly. They just brush over a couple of details. So in some of their temples, on the walls, and in some tablets, they claim that the Atlanteans gave them the specs necessary to construct their entire civilization.

Cristina: Okay, but like, it's showing like, people from water came to them or something. It's not mentioning Atlanteans.

Jack: It's not mentioning people from water.

Cristina: It's not.

Jack: It's talking about people from the Persian Gulf.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah, it's kind of almost directly mentioning them too.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The people from the Persian Gulf oasis. But I'm still calling them Atlanteans for a very specific reason. We'll get there. Okay, but so the Atlanteans from the Persian Gulf came, gave them a bunch of information, and allowed them to then construct their very complicated, advanced, ginormous civilizations. Some of the Mayan writings went as far as to establish that all former ancient advanced civilizations were descendant of The Atlanteans.

Cristina: Okay, interesting. Yes.

Jack: Some texts allude to Atlantis having reached their greatest height roughly a million years beforehand.

Cristina: Which makes sense if there's really. What did we say? Way long ago.

Jack: They're ancient.

Cristina: No, that. That's where Adam and Eve are. There you go. There's.

Jack: Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. But that is nowhere near the start, considering that a million years is still a million and a half years after the creation of tools. So, like, people were around for way long time. It was definitely far from the beginning. Now we go into the next interesting tidbit. Now I'm gonna start slowing down the Egyptian texts. Fascinating things. This was really hard to find, but there were quite a couple of tablets and reference points and translations and people talking about it. So I was like, okay, this one was way confirmed. The Mayan stuff, translations and whatever. The Egyptian stuff, clear texts. Now, one curious set of Egyptian texts discusses a chamber beneath the Sphinx.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Which contains a hall of records that has Atlantean texts and the data that was provided to the Egyptians that allowed them to construct their massive civilization. This sounds identical to the Mayans.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it happened simultaneously across the ocean.

Cristina: Interesting, interesting.

Jack: And they claim the same thing.

Cristina: Yeah. Wait, that he. They also claim that they're part of them like the Egyptians are.

Jack: They claim that they got all the information that allowed them to build their civilization.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Now, they don't say, no, we were all descended from them. But they do claim that all the data and specs that allowed us to build our entire civilization and their own records as a replica, like a backup, are kept under the Sphinx. There's a hall of records, massive, with all that data down there. Some texts elaborate on the symbolism of Atlanteans and what they had for lions as a great protector. Creatures of purity, forgiveness and sinlessness. Very important things here. They almost worshipped lions. Not really. Like, they were very scientific, but they had this immense respect. Everything was symbology of lions. And there are really old, like, crests in the Persian Gulf that have been found with the image of what seems to be lions. These are real physical things you can go and hold. And it has got what looks like the image of a worn out lion because, you know, water wears it and, like, tears it apart. Makes it look like crap, but, yeah, looks like lions. Now let's go into some quick descriptions of. Well, I guess the only description that really matters about the Atlanteans. They come from the Persian Gulf, the Persian Oasis, if you will, which means they're the south of Iran.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're bronze skinned, like the Greek. The whole region is the same. They're all. We always picture them as white people, but they're not, of course. They're just a bunch of tan people.

Cristina: The Atlanteans.

Jack: The Atlanteans have to be tan people. They're Middle Eastern.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're all just Middle Eastern. This entire time we were just talking about the Greek who were bronze and the Middle Eastern people. Yes, they are all just a bunch.

Cristina: Is this important?

Jack: Bronze people? Yeah. So because of the advancement of text around the world, the slow development of writing decided that it was very important that we don't allow the colored people to be, I guess people of color is the politically correct way to say this, but the people of color, so that we don't allow the people of color to be better, to be smarter, to be faster than us. We, the white people, need to establish that if we're gonna mention the Atlanteans, they have to be light skinned.

Cristina: What?

Jack: They have to be light skinned because then the people of color are better than us. The white people. Sounds very familiar. There's a group of people who do this quite often, but let's proceed. So in order to suppress their technological advancement, intellectual ability, their physical prowess, it was basic to just deep dive and just, just, just totally collapse that plane of they were bronze and slowly migrate to where they fled. They have been and will always be in the Atlantic Ocean. Where they fled to. No, they didn't come from the Persian Gulf. That's why we have to call them the Atlanteans, because they've always been over here where the white people hang out.

Cristina: Okay, so that's why the name change is important.

Jack: Yes. All the official texts, other than the ones from the Middle east and from the east of Europe, all of them suggest that they were always light skinned people. But these are all the white people writing it, while all the people of color claimed no, they came originally from the Persian Gulf. We have a conflict of interest. They're called Atlanteans because white people dominated. Too hard.

Cristina: Of course.

Jack: Of course. Now, quite interesting, the differentiation happens in the first century. This becomes kind of incredibly important as we start to consider what else happened at that time, the existence of Christianity. And the Christians decided to do a couple of things with people of color, was make them all white if they were important. All of them. All the time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes, all the time. Now there's amazing details. Right, Interesting. So the push was kind of heavy and kind of successful to the point that we know them as the trend we're talking about, these translations in the original Greek texts, in Iranian texts, in even Russian texts, those are white people. They were always referring to these people as the Bronze people from the Persians. Persian Gulf oasis.

Cristina: Yeah. But then they were transformed into white.

Jack: They were just white people who.

Cristina: Blonde hair, blue eyes.

Jack: Blonde hair, blue eyes. Aryan supremacy and beauty. Okay, now let me tell you a story, a very important story. This story was really hard to track down. Was really hard to track down. But this story was pieced together by going through Iranian records, by going through Greek records, by going through Russian records. So a family was cast from the Persian Gulf, small family, and they went on a journey away from the Persian Gulf. They were trying to reach an island named Cyprus. On their way to the island, they landed at a location named Nazareth. When they got to this location, there was a huge conflict which was endangering the pregnant woman who was trying to get to Cyprus to give birth in the first place. They couldn't make it to the island. They couldn't depart from Nazareth. They had to redirect and they headed towards Bethlehem, safer territory. They took shelter in a barn from some people because they were just passing through. And that's where they gave birth. Okay, they stay here and, okay, this is our home now. This is where our child was born. 33 years later, this child dies and the mother decides, my mission was always to go to Cyprus and I will continue my quest to Cyprus. So she goes back to Nazareth, departs on her way to Cyprus, gets knocked off course and lands at Mount Athos. The suppression effort that the Catholic Church has done to prevent anybody from hearing this story.

Cristina: Where they originally came from where they originally came.

Jack: They weren't even from Nazareth. I don't even know what the point of hiding some of this was. But there's a bigger picture that I'm just not getting as to why this was important to do, other than the racist. They're not white, but also they come.

Cristina: From a fictional place or supposedly at.

Jack: This point, it's not fictional. Everybody has mentioned this place from every possible location.

Cristina: But the church.

Jack: But the church, at this point, it's not fictional. We're talking that there was a civilization, whether super advanced or not, there was something in the Persian Gulf, without a doubt. There was a civilization there. Without a doubt. If they weren't super advanced, okay, then they got drowned or an earthquake ate them.

Cristina: But Jesus is one of them.

Jack: Jesus came from the Persian Gulf. Jesus came from the Persian Gulf, went to Nazareth, then went to. To, well, Mary and Joseph were from the Persian Gulf, went to Nazareth, trying to go to Cyprus, were redirected to Bethlehem because of the conflict happening in Nazareth. They gave birth to Jesus Christ there, stayed there until his death, went back to Nazareth to then depart, going to Cyprus, only Mary, something happened to Joseph in that time, I'm assuming he died. And then on her way to Cyprus, got totally knocked off course from the winds. She had no idea what the h*** she was doing. And she landed at Mount Athos. She then went to the top of the mountain. And this is why we consider her store completely sacred, because she went there. Okay. The Catholic Church tried to suppress this. This comes from. Again, there are Iranian records. There are Greek records also important to mention. I didn't say this before when I started. These records are also in. This is why I started talking about the Egyptian and the Mayan records. Both mention these things in imagery, and they were completely separated. So when we get this information through media and things, there's almost an agreement to not mention them in tandem. They have to be mentioned separately. They cannot be mentioned together. That is a weird thing that's always happened. Why wouldn't anybody discuss these things back to back? But it is mentioned in the Mayan writings, it is mentioned in the Egyptian writings, it is mentioned in Iranian writings. This is mentioned in Greek writings. But you essentially have to piece the story together. Okay, so all of this information comes with a very specific purpose. Right. We have tracked the fact that the Catholic Church. We knew the Catholic Church has something to do with it. As soon as we got to a mountain that was, yes, riddled with monasteries, it immediately became really weird. And there was, you know, there were trickles here and there. They do a really good job of keeping themselves out of the picture while suppressing a bunch of crap. But if you look hard enough, it's there. You can't hide everything. There's too many moving parts.

Cristina: They're always involved in everything.

Jack: They're always involved in everything. So there is a road that just so happens to be really, really. It's actually at the beginning of the Bermuda, as we know, that takes us to. It's aiming in the direction of Bermuda, and it's a bunch of structures headed in that direction. So we can find the actual leftover traces or just ancient walkways and things. So we can see right here, I'm showing you some images. Anybody wants to look at it. We're talking about the Bimini Road. The Bimini Road is a road underneath the Bermuda, aiming straight at the heart of the Bermuda Tracker. We don't know if it goes as far deep as that because we can't go there ourselves because it's too deep. There's too much pressure. But we find structures underneath the water. Underneath the water.

Cristina: What is that circle thing? It's just a random.

Jack: I don't know what the circle is. This is just things underwater.

Cristina: And their favorite lion and their favorite thing.

Jack: A lion. Interesting. There's a lion underneath the Bermuda Triangle. Okay, okay, okay. So people mentioned in both the Egyptian and in the Mayan records how important, second, the lions were to the people of the Persian Gulf oasis. These symbols of purity and these symbols of holiness and these symbols of sinlessness. It's interesting that Jesus is always also represented by a lion. White Jesus, specifically, is represented by a lion. Very interesting fact. They converted all the little details about this civilization. The child that was birthed from their superior genes or whatever the case might be, had to become a white with.

Cristina: Like, what they did with the Irish stuff. Like, they didn't erase the things, they just changed it to their liking.

Jack: Yeah, they converted it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So then we go to the underwater city of the Gulf of Cambay. Now, this is what's interesting about this place. The Gulf of Cambay is the very tip of what used to be the Persian Gulf.

Cristina: Okay. So this is their old home that we're about to look at.

Jack: Old home. So when you look at this now, you start seeing some similarities, and it's.

Cristina: Like, okay, bro, an Egypt statue.

Jack: What looks like an ancient Egypt statue. But we keep in mind that the Egyptians got their specs from who? From the people from the Persian Gulf oasis. And this is located in the Persian Gulf oasis. Interesting. Yes, very interesting. We get here and we start seeing, like, bro, entire structures, entire buildings, civilization. Now, we can't find all of it because it's quite sparse. And they're everywhere you go, anywhere you find them in this area.

Cristina: Whoa. So there's really people living under there?

Jack: There were, at some point, in their homes. Yes. Fascinating, right? Structures of all sorts. Fascinating.

Cristina: And another lion details.

Jack: Another lion patterns. Physical proof of the things that the Catholic Church does not want you to know exists now. Yes. They'll talk about. Oh, yeah, there's cool things that people made over here and those cool things that people made over there. They don't want you to look at them back to back and then know about the records from the Mayans and the Egyptians and the Iranians claiming that there were people who respected lions, were highly advanced, weren't white. They don't want you to Connect these dots. They don't want you to look at this picture as a whole. So keep all the parts separate and claim they're different people. But all the people with the records claim it was the same people. All the people who aren't the Christians claim no, they weren't the same people. And they were way superior than you, the white people. Fascinating. Now, random bits of information from unicorns, because this is the end of the road right here. Random bits of information from unicorns. Trying to debunk the ideology of unicorns. This is just trying to run through all the information that I got. The tallest horse. Unicorns are said to be as large as possible. The largest horse is the shire. Now, there is an argument that the people of the Persian Gulf did in fact have a, that they bred horses, particularly shire horses. They weren't talking about interesting space horses or magical being horses or whatever, but the argument was that the people of the Persian Gulf oasis bred the tallest horses. Found a particular couple of them, they had a birth defect, and then bred these continuously into a genetic pool so that they would all have these unique features.

Cristina: They're not magical, they're just born that way.

Jack: No, because Mary still rode one to the top of the freaking mountain.

Cristina: That could be just a special skill it has.

Jack: It could be. It could be like a goat. Yeah, some goats can just travel vertically. Now, these were bred in isolation with the defect, so to keep them away from the ones that didn't have it, so that it's no longer a defect, it's just a characteristic. And often times because of their bronze skin, the best contrast was the lightest horse, the white one.

Cristina: Okay, but then where does the Pegasus come from? Like, how would they confuse those two things?

Jack: I don't understand where the mention of the Pegasus comes from, because the Pegasus only comes from the Russian and the Greek record. Iranian records don't mention it. The Egyptian records don't mention it, and the Mayan records don't mention it. So I, it's. This is that leads to an interesting place where there is some information actually missing relative to that. But we do have proof of the physical locations where these things are.

Cristina: Okay. Got unicorns. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. So the potentiality that unicorns were intentionally bred, and if we are also talking about. Now this is where we do introduce the aspect that might be considered a little bit magic, but it's not, it's technology. If we have the ability to breed these in isolation and get these genetic defects to be just a normal occurrence so that you have actual unicorns you understand genetics well enough to do this. On top of the fact that you have highly advanced technologies. It is possible that you created some sort of something thing that defies our understanding of how creatures work. Because you're so far ahead of where we are even now. Okay, so it's not magic, as opposed to just genetic masterpiece.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That might have some sort of ability. I'm not thinking flying. I'm thinking you're right. It's a huge horse with a horn that can travel vertically by climbing, not flying.

Cristina: Yes. That makes so much sense.

Jack: We've grounded the unicorn.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: We found the locations of the previous home and the new one and identifiers that tell us it was the same people. Because they had the same lion in two different locations.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we know that according to the Middle Eastern people people and the Egyptians and somehow the Mayans across the ocean. We had a full story, actually more complete than the bullshit that Catholics and Christians talk about as to where Jesus really came from, which was from the Persian Gulf oasis. They were cast for whatever reason, which tells us they were probably not the best people. They were cast out of a place that is considered a utopia. Keep that in mind.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: And we know this is like the.

Cristina: Devil child, Like they knew.

Jack: There is a high probability of that because you're in Utopia. Why were you cast out of utopia.

Cristina: While you were pregnant?

Jack: Oh, you're pregnant. You must have done something. But this lady happens to have a unicorn, so we know that she must have gotten it from where? From the Persian Gulf oasis. We know that she was cast from where? From the Persian Gulf oasis. They rode this horse into Nazareth, then they rode this horse into Bethlehem. They had this horse seemingly for a really long time, and it lived until the death of their child. Then she alone went to Cyprus, failed to get there, got to Mount Athos and climbed the mountain on top of this very specialized horse. Then went to the summit where something weird happened and we don't hear about her anymore.

Cristina: She went back home. Because we also know that there's somehow a connection between that point.

Jack: Yes, there's a connection between the top of that. But here's the thing. By the time that's normal, I'm thinking that the move had begun from the Persian Gulf. So perhaps they were still at the Persian Gulf oasis, but they started construction at the Atlantic spot for some future event that either already happened or hasn't happened yet, but took place after the death of Jesus. And who knows, Maybe it happened, maybe it hasn't. Aiming towards the future of that point, it could still be coming. We don't know why so many of the Egyptians suddenly disappeared. We don't know why so many of the Mayans, or literally all the Mayans just disappeared. And we don't know why it was so important if there wasn't some crazy catastrophe yet. Was it important for the people of the Persian Gulf to also escape? We have three massive civilizations, completely advanced, all of which potentially added survival measures for an event that we haven't seen yet. And it's coming. Whatever it is, these three civilizations think it's coming. On the flip side, they all got their information from the same source. So maybe they were all paranoid about something that might or might not even be true. But they all got the information from the same group of people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay, so it happened that long ago. Maybe, but we're talking about people who are a million years old. The scale at which they can calculate events is immense. It's very different than us. If you are that advanced a million years ago, what does that say about your ability to calculate to the future? The events could be millions of years ahead of us and we would never know.

Cristina: Okay, that's so weird that they didn't want this baby to be born with them, but then they would take her.

Jack: Back because she went alone to the top of Mount Athos and she left. They came and claimed her in whatever flying horse thing they had, because now we talk about the Pegasus isn't magic. It's a horse with wings. That, again, could have just been a genius engineering of breeding. Breed the biggest, largest bird to be bigger and larger, and then somehow genetically mix what matters into a horse so that their bones are incredibly thin and they're incredibly light and these ginormous wings can support the weight. It's not the hardest thing in the world if you are a master of genetics. We're not.

Cristina: But this very futuristic civilization, civilization could.

Jack: Probably easily do it. And a Pegasus is probably, again, just the work of engineering, the same way a unicorn is probably just the work of engineering. Now, this unicorn horn, how it has magic, how it has this ability to heal people. Again, not magic. But you've created something so pure and advanced, advanced that maybe its genetics could actually help humans. Again, this is just science at this point, but it's highly advanced science. So it's not magic. We're all thinking it's magic because we don't understand it.

Cristina: It's beyond our scores.

Jack: Okay, yes, but now it's just science. It's all science. Everything is science. Anything sufficiently advanced Enough. Any science, any technology sufficiently advanced enough is indistinguishable.

Cristina: Of course. Yes, that makes sense.

Jack: Now we have a full circle. We have the people who gave all the people on the equator the technology. They clearly do exist. We have the Catholic Church actively trying to hide it, which tells me more. They're real. If you weren't trying to hide it, I would be like, okay, it's just crazy people with stories. The fact that the Catholic Church is trying to hide it. No, it's real. It's real happening.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: As soon as the Catholic Church is involved. It happened.

Cristina: Hiding unicorns, Hiding Mary.

Jack: Yes. They were trying to hide by doing this. All of the efforts. Just think of what all of the efforts are. Hide the unicorns, hide the Pegasus. Don't let people go to the top of the mountain. Rewrite Jesus as the white guy. Rewrite the people of the Persian Gulf and erase their history. Just say they were always from the Atlantic Ocean. It's all in an effort to take claim and be the most powerful civilization.

Cristina: Of course. Yes.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: What?

Jack: But we do have an interesting problem now.

Cristina: What?

Jack: The story of Jesus. He comes out of the Persian Gulf. Well, Mary comes out of the Persian Gulf, goes to Nazareth, avoids conflict, goes to Bethlehem. Has Jesus. Jesus died. She goes back to Nazareth. She goes to Cyprus, then heads to. To Mount Athos, Goes to the top, then gets taken by the people of the Persian Gulf back to her people. What was the point of not having the child? Or was it Joseph? Was she loyal?

Cristina: Maybe she was on a mission. Maybe this is part of their plan.

Jack: Because the documents, the records suggest she was cast out.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Not that she left. She was cast out. That is very important detail.

Cristina: She was cast out, then they would take her back. That's the weird thing. So it had to do with Jesus or Joseph? Yes, yes.

Jack: It wasn't her because they took her back either. She was loyal to some sort of criminal named Joseph that they were not gonna keep. And she's like, well, I'm gonna go with them. And then when she was no longer with him, because the story goes, she got to Mount Athos, she went to the top of the mountain, she got taken back. So we don't know if it was Jesus or Joseph that was the problem here, but there was clearly a reason that they didn't want her when she was involved in this. Yeah, but as soon as she was done with it. You good?

Cristina: Yes. Crazy. I wish we could tell. Which is it? Because it could be Joseph. It doesn't have to be Jesus. Like he's an easy one to point to because he's the magic baby, but it doesn't have to be that fascinating.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Yeah. That is so crazy.

Jack: And that is what I've got. That's all the crap I managed to find with literal locations and photo proof of the same lion that they seem to highly respect being in two different underwater locations and that itself being converted into the story of Jesus as well. Beautiful. Beautiful.

Cristina: Amazing. It's all connected.

Jack: Nice try. Catholic church. I'm better than you are. Anyways, that's what I got.

Cristina: Well, it's mind blowing.

Jack: Atlantis might have been real or might be actively real at the moment. And they were the people of the Persian Gulf.

Cristina: And Mary is one of them.

Jack: Mary is one of them. So is Joseph. Yeah, as far as we know. Interesting, though.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So that's what we got.

Cristina: That's just so much information.

Jack: Yeah. I had to rush and we still made it exact, so. So you guys want to go through all these episodes? Feel free to do that. There's many, many. And there are. Aside of the episodes that we just mentioned at the beginning here, there are so many others. But before you do that, if you guys have any questions, if you guys have anything you want us to know, add ons, details that you're aware of. Anybody who can translate some of the things that are harder to translate and get corrupted easily, feel free to give us direct translations. Any piece is an important piece. You can find us on TikTok, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, all usconvopod.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And be sure to tell anyone and everyone that the Catholic Church is trying hard, but we are doing better because they're not gonna win. And I am a very, very, very. I'm really good at what I do. And like, you can't hide all the pieces. You can break them and separate them as far as you want, but a good eye will find them and bring them back together.

Cristina: Also, let people know who might like this show. Yeah, you should let them know about this show. Yeah, tell them.

Jack: Talk. Tell everybody.

Cristina: Tell everyone. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: But I bet that's how that works. I bet. Like, let's think about it, right? So serial killers, right? They. They have some weird ulterior motivation that makes no sense. It's this weird. I mean, I guess it makes sense to some degree when you think about it. That's why I know. That's why they're trackable. Right. There's a pattern. There's, like, a method to the madness.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The difference between a serial killer and a crazy person, is it. A serial killer isn't a crazy person. They're actually completely sane.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that's the problem.

Cristina: Yes. Because they do have a reason.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: It may not make sense to you.

Jack: But they're enjoying what they're doing. They truly have motivation and reason. And just because you wouldn't go out and kill a specific type of person in a specific type of way does not mean a serial killer wouldn't go out and kill a person in a specific kind of way.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor, and published by great dots.in fox, art by 0lupo, and logo by Seth McAllister. With social media, managed by Amber Black.

February 25, 2023

Rambling 215: Mount Athos

February 25, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Why does everything come back to Mount Athos? What is really going on with this mountain? What is being hidden from the public eye? The duo continue their investigation of Mount Athos and the strange occurrences that keep pointing to something on this mountain. The twists and turns that the research goes through leads to a few revelations never before concluded, but more impressively some new questions arise!

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Topics Discussed:

Atlanteans
Unicorns
A Russian Named John
Sacred Russian Bestiaries
Athos the Giant
Athos vs Poseidon
Burial Ground
Eastern Orthodox Monasteries
Holy Relics, Icons, Mosaics
Virgin Mary
The Summit Athos

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And recently we've had quite the spiral of strange circumstances. And like, I. I don't. I don't know. 1. The hole seems infinite. I keep falling down the same freaking hole. The problem is that every different angle I look from it at, it's. There's so much more. Just so much more.

Cristina: More unicorns or more somehow.

Jack: All of the above. So the last couple of weeks, kind of like going on a month or a month and a half or something. I don't even know at this point. We've just been on this because there's more and there's more, and like last week we didn't even get to all this stuff, but this week we're not even gonna get to the stuff that we didn't get to last week, because this stuff that I'm getting to this week is more important than the stuff that was there last week. And the stuff from last week that we didn't get to is going to be in a different, different week's episode because it surprisingly enough connected to a bunch of other stuff. They had nothing to do with my original idea for what they were. It's like, oh, my God, this one. One. Let's. Let's take a huge step back. We're talking about a merchant, unicorns, Atlantis, an equator that exists there's no way nobody could ever know about. There is a bunch of advanced civilizations, a bunch of technology, people who shouldn't be places and know things that they do know. Somehow the beginning of humanity with information that they shouldn't have had, language happening way after a bunch of technological advancements. That doesn't make any sense. Except it does if you include Atlantis on the equator as the advanced civilization that's giving everybody the data in the first place because they were the first advance and thus explaining away most of this. But. But all of this, all of this comes back to one place. I thought it was originally coming back to the Atlanteans.

Cristina: Oh, I was gonna say that.

Jack: Okay, they're there, they're definitely present. But the Atlanteans apparently weren't even the point. But also, it wasn't the Greek, and also it wasn't the unicorns. And also none of the above. But all of the above at the Same time. So recap. There is an ancient equator, and the ancient equator has a bunch of civilizations that settled on it, but they settled on it about 480 million years after it was no longer existing. And there was no way for them to know it existed because science has not been invented yet for them to run the calculations that allowed them to even know the equator existed in this fashion.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But somehow they still managed to do this about 7,000 years before they would have had the knowledge. Okay, fantastic. Problems for days. But then we, you know, figured that although these monuments and these civilizations are highly advanced and intelligent for what they're doing without any of the tools, there was a one group of people who were well placed. Enough. The Atlanteans, that had advanced technologies enough, according to all the sources.

Cristina: Apparently, yes.

Jack: And they were positioned so tactically in the right place that they can reach all the places. And according to a bunch of people, not only did they have technology, but they also had flying freaking horses, which is a hugely important detail.

Cristina: Is there more to it?

Jack: There's. It's not more to it. In fact, it's exactly the same thing. But putting the exact same thing into perspective, okay. Changes everything. So we have a merchant in the 1700s that gets some alleged unicorn horn from a Russian named John. And then he takes it, and he shows a bunch of scholars. They study it. They go on some journeys to find other scholars. A literal war breaks out.

Cristina: Unicorn horn.

Jack: They all get hooked on alicorn. They form schools in. In covert secrecy to study it, because they. They're assuming that once people hear about, this crap's gonna hit the fan. And then when people hear about it, it literally hits a fan. A war breaks out between Russia and Turkey trying to get to the alicorn. And, like, okay, they disappear. The alicorn disappears. Literally. One of the guys dies, gets murdered. Yeah, everybody gets killed except the guy. He gets away, eventually dies too. And then eventually, some people in the future, about 60, 70 years later, they also pop up and say, hey, we found some unicorn horn. And they pointed at the same location that Jon said he got it from. They pointed at the same location, Mount Athos.

Cristina: And someone gave it to them.

Jack: They went there. They went there and got it.

Cristina: But they didn't say how they got it.

Jack: Nope.

Cristina: They could have just found it on the ground like a unicorn shed. This horn.

Jack: Well, you gotta understand that these records, which I mentioned last time, are highly unstable. Specific. They're very. It was the inception of record keeping, so they weren't being meticulous they were keeping records of everything, but not in detail.

Cristina: Well, would that be a solution of how they got the horns? If the unicorns are shedding their horns? Because it seems, like, really hard to actually do anything.

Jack: Unicorn, you can't spot one, you're not faster than one. They can disappear easily. They'll vanish right in front of your eyes.

Cristina: They fly? Sort of.

Jack: They can. Yeah.

Cristina: Or something. What is it again?

Jack: They can walk on thin air. They can just run. Yeah, they just run on air.

Cristina: Yeah. So it's really weird that these people would just randomly get them. Unless they all have a version, I guess, was one way to get these unicorns.

Jack: Well, what you're saying, actually, it checks out. It makes a lot of sense. I didn't think about that before, but, like, how are they acquiring it? How does everybody that goes up there easily find us? If. Unless. When they disappear, this is where they go to if there's like a reset and up here, they can't disappear because when they disappear, they disappear to here. That would be the only other answer.

Cristina: What. What appears and disappears?

Jack: The unicorns. When you're watching a unicorn, that they can just vanish in front of you, where are they vanishing to? Probably the mountain. Okay, so unless they're shedding on the mountain, like you say, which is a great solution to the problem, they're just walking around. Find it. But if that's not the case, then when they disappear, anywhere else, where they appear to would be that mountain, which is why people can get them there. Because they're not disappearing from the mountain. They just pop up right where they are again, because the mountain is where they're going to when they disappear. So unless one, then the other, they're either shedding, which makes perfect sense, and I think about. Or they're appearing up there. That's all I was thinking about. Like, when they do vanish, they must be popping up over there, and they can't disappear from over there because something sets them to that location. That's what I was thinking. But shedding makes more sense, animalistically speaking, makes a lot of sense. But also, we're talking about a creature that's literally magic and has only been seen in one place. So maybe it is resetting up there.

Cristina: But shedding makes a lot of sense.

Jack: If we're talking about a normal creature.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And yes, could totally apply. But again, we're talking about something that literally disappears in front of people's faces. It's not as weird as it has a spawn spot. Okay, now I need you to focus entirely and tell me why it's weird that it has a spawn spot if it can disappear into thin air. Why is that the weird part?

Cristina: Because. Why?

Jack: Why is it disappearing into thin air?

Cristina: But then that makes it feel.

Jack: Picking and choosing which thing is weird?

Cristina: That's just so weird. That's.

Jack: It walks on air.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Why is any one part weirder to you than any other?

Cristina: I don't know. That's just weirder. That is definitely weirder. I don't know.

Jack: It's weirder that they're spawning in the only place they've ever been seen. That's what you're telling me?

Cristina: Yes. Because they haven't just been seen.

Jack: There literally have only been seen there. There's no mention of unicorns outside of that.

Cristina: Then why would they be spawning in the spot that they're. I don't know. That doesn't make sense either.

Jack: What, that they're spawning the only place they've ever been seen?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's weird to you, that the only place they've ever been seen is where they're just popping up?

Cristina: Because then they're not running away from anyone. They're just, I'm here, and then I'm gone, but then I'm here again. Like, that's a really bad way to run away. If they're trying to get away from.

Jack: Okay, I see what you mean. I see what you mean. My idea would be that people have likely seen them in other places, but not sustained seeing them. So you'll be in the woods randomly and. Is that a unicorn? Oh, wait, there's nothing there because it disappeared in front of you and ended.

Cristina: Up on the mountain.

Jack: And ended up on the mountain.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Kind of like Bigfoot. Maybe it's just portaling itself right there. Okay, magic. It's not as weird, considering it can disappear. It can heal anything, it causes immortality. It can fly into nothing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: A spawn point is what you find weird. That's the part that you're like, no, this sounds not real.

Cristina: Well, if you're there, I'm saying, like, that doesn't make sense.

Jack: Well, nobody there has seen. They've seen them disappear. Everybody who's been there has just simply come down with things from them. So they're clearly not running away up there. Or if they are, then they're shutting one or the other point being that up there, people are clearly at least close enough in proximity to come down with the unicorn horn.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Nowhere else is that the case. But people aren't saying they disappeared up there. They're just saying Oh, I got a unicorn horn. So they're just appearing from somewhere else. Where are they disappearing to? And if so, why aren't they disappearing from the mountain? Because it seems to be that if they're not disappearing from the mountain, but they disappear from anywhere else, it's a one way trip to the mountain from wherever they disappear to. Be the only conclusion. Unless they can always disappear, in which case you'd never come across a unicorn horn because they're always vanishing away from you. And they could show up anywhere on Earth because they can go anywhere. Unless there is a location that they would spawn to.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because how else would you even acquire the horn?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: If they're not teleporting to the mountain.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then why would they chill up there? They could go anywhere. They'll be teleporting everywhere. Because they could just do that inherently. They'll poof right in front of you.

Cristina: And going, why is it so easy to get a unicorn horn?

Jack: Because maybe on the mountain they are just horses.

Cristina: They're just horses on the mountain.

Jack: Well, joke's on you, because that's literally what's said. So there's something about the mountain that strips anything on the mountain of all their abilities. That is one of the things I found about that mountain, Mount Athos.

Cristina: Then how are they flying on Pegasus up there?

Jack: Because a Pegasus isn't flying with powers. It has wings. It's a pegasus.

Cristina: So weird. Okay.

Jack: It's using its physical construct to get there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Why is it that the Atlanteans that possess not only advanced technologies, but magic land and then walk down the mountain. Why don't they just float on down. There's something weird about the mountain.

Cristina: Okay, okay. So what's the story? They. It doesn't have it anything on. It doesn't have powers.

Jack: So basically, it seems that anything on the mountain is absolutely normal, but anything from the mountain outside the mountain is not. That seems to be the most consistent pattern about this mountain. Now it's to the point that they have established schools on that mountain to study the mountain, and they are still there today studying the mountain. There are schools and churches of many different disciplines on that mountain, studying that mountain today. Because allegedly the mountain itself is magic. But everything that in theory would have magic on the mountain isn't. A priest who can heal goes up there and can no longer heal. But why?

Cristina: There's always like that. What?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Wow. That is very strange. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. There are 20 different monasteries and schools up there. There are also. What is this called? It's a group of people that maintain it's a self sustained mountain. People aren't allowed on the mountain, by the way, if you're on the mountain, you're from the mountain. And if you're off the mountain, you're off of the mountain. And it's a chore to get up there. You need a permit. Only a hundred people are allowed up there daily. They are all men.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Women are not allowed on the mountain.

Cristina: Even if they're virgins.

Jack: Women are not allowed on the mountain. And only 10 non orthodox individuals a day. All the others must be Orthodox.

Cristina: Those orthodox means Orthodox Christians. Oh, they have to be Orthodox.

Jack: Yes. Only 10 people who aren't a day are allowed up there. Everybody else must be. And you need a permit. And you need to schedule this about six months ahead of time. And they will screen you to make sure who you are. They want to know your background, they want to know where you come from. They want to know who you've encountered before you step foot on this mountain.

Cristina: That's ridiculous. That's so crazy. It's very suspicious. But okay.

Jack: That the Christians are gatekeeping a mountain. That's magic.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And that's there today? That's all happening at this moment.

Cristina: Mmm. What do they know?

Jack: Oh, and any individual that doesn't live there can only be there a total of three days.

Cristina: A total of three days?

Jack: Yeah. So if you go and visit, you can only be there three days and then you gotta get the f*** out.

Cristina: If you have the permit, how long can you be there? Or that's.

Jack: The permit is only for three days.

Cristina: For three days, okay.

Jack: @ most. And you can only stay in three different locations. You cannot repeat any one location. Weird.

Cristina: It is weird that it's all too specific.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: What? A permit. Permit for what though?

Jack: Like to visit a mountain and you have to stay where they tell you to. You don't get to choose where you want, they're gonna choose for you. And you can't repeat places.

Cristina: Really weird repeat places. So they can move you. Like if something weird's happening in one place, maybe they'll get you to the next.

Jack: You wouldn't even know.

Cristina: Yeah. Is there any weird stories about people who visited though?

Jack: Two.

Cristina: Two? Just two. Wow. Okay.

Jack: Well, from the people currently living on the mountain now, two. But I've told you like 12 different stories about people who visited the mountain already.

Cristina: Yes, but like that's it. That still feels like not much stories.

Jack: Yeah, according to the people who live on the mountain. Because again, they can. The people who live on a mountain can leave the mountain.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: These people who don't live in a mountain, they are not allowed onto the mountain. But according to them, in the last thousand years, only 20 people have gone to the highest point of the mountain.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: There is a separate area at the highest point that even they are not allowed to go to. Oh. So let's. Let's begin. Let's begin. We did a recap. You know, we know about the Atlanteans and them landing on the top of the mountain to visit the Greeks and trade with them. We know the unicorns have been spotted on the mountain. We know that there are two Greek record keepers in the early 1800s, both that contained diff that had different unicorn horns that they got at the mountain according to themselves and that they wrote into the document they pointed at the same place. We also know that there was a Russian named John claiming to have obtained the unicorn horn that he then gave our merchant that he got from the same location. So we have a couple of instances about there. We also know that there are two very, very important books, bestiaries that just talk about the creatures of the time, Both of which mention unicorns. And they both mentioned the unicorns were spotted. None of them were written by any of the four people we've just mentioned. These are just different books that they obtained that mention the same thing. So if we go based on this, we got John, we got Antonio was his name or something like that. Draco or something like that. And then our Two historians plus two books, I.e. six mentions of the same location from different sources. Yes, about unicorns atop the mountain. A magic horse, if you will. So what do we know about this mountain? Why is this mountain so important? Why do people care about this mountain.

Cristina: Besides the weird stuff happening there?

Jack: Well, we have to go to the original stories as to the original story is told about this mountain. Okay, first mentions of this mountain in any form of writing. So we have to go to the first writings. We have two groups of people who almost at the same time started to record. We're talking about the Jews and we're talking about the Greeks. But the Jews have nothing to do with this mountain. Their records don't mention this at all. They're close and far enough that they're not bothered. The people who do mention it are the Greek, and it shows up in Greek mythology quite heavily, the mountain. So what's weird about the this instance is when the Greeks started writing down their mythology for the first time. We know there was some inconsistencies because it was narratives that were not written for many, many, many millennia, just told all word of mouth. So there's, you know, some kind of miss things here and there. But for whatever reason, during the writing process, as they refined and decided, this is the story we're going with. So that's how we ended up with Zeus and knowing Hera and knowing Hercules and the lineage. This is all because these are the versions of the stories we decided to write. You know, Makes perfect sense.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Even if there's a million versions of them, we chose one, and we. We're gonna coast on that until we get to this mountain. And in the text, they mentioned the lack of clarity. They don't know which story is true. Weird, considering you made them up and then wrote them down. Why didn't you pick one for this? Why was your response to Mount Athos? I don't know which story is true. So there are two different stories.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: One is the attack of Athos. Athos was in a battle with Poseidon. Athos is a giant, by the way. Oh, Athos is a giant. One of the many. One of the Titans, you could say. Although the Titans and the giants are very different.

Cristina: So is the Titan or a giant?

Jack: It's a giant. But okay. Anyways, so we have Athos, and he's in a battle with Poseidon. Poseidon, in the middle of the battle, goes down to the water. They're fighting on Mount Olympus. And he goes into the water to have the field advantage, because Poseidon and water, of course, Athos proceeds to, instead of following him instantaneously, to rip off a side of Olympus and toss it at Poseidon.

Cristina: That becomes mountain.

Jack: Later it does because it misses Poseidon, but he follows after the rock. He threw. He threw the mountain. And then he goes after to then continue fighting Poseidon. Poseidon dodges it. It hits the water. Poseidon then grabs the mountain and he throws it back at Athos, successfully hitting Athos, stopping the mountain. And the mountain lands in the water. That's the placement it landed in. And that becomes Mount Athos.

Cristina: So the mountain is on Athos?

Jack: No, it hit Athos.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So that is one story. The other story is that that mountain was always there. It was just a mountain. And the fight between Athos and Poseidon took place on that mountain. And Poseidon won the battle, and he buried Athos beneath the mountain. That story is way more fascinating than the previous one, because apparently the body of giants would be consumed by the soil. Making it magic.

Cristina: Is that. That's what you think, like, that makes sense.

Jack: Makes a lot of sense. Additionally, magic does not work on giants. Interesting.

Cristina: Magic doesn't work on giants.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And that's why the magical mountain, it doesn't have anything magical on it.

Jack: But the mountain itself is magic.

Cristina: Yeah. What?

Jack: The plot thickens. So those are what Greek mythology has to say about this mountain. Now let's talk about the facts of this mountain. The things we know factually are happening on this mountain in the real world. World. Mount Athos has over 2,000 monks living there in a total of 20 monasteries.

Cristina: 2,000, you said?

Jack: Yeah, 2,000 monks, 20 monasteries. Over 4,000 other men who work in the monasteries, not 4,400 men who work in the monasteries. And the mountain is self sustained. The food is grown on the mountain. They use everything. They got generators, which is how they power things. There's no power lines coming from outside.

Cristina: They don't have any real weird rules themselves about like, we can only stay here one day and then we gotta move to the next one or whatever. Like the guests.

Jack: Not that I know of. Women don't go on the mountain. People from outside the mountain must have a permit. Those are weird roles. They are very private. They don't talk much about what happens on the mountain.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Again, entry to the area is restricted and controlled severely. Only males are allowed to be there. Only males are allowed to live there. Only males are allowed to visit. It gets stranger. Oh.

Cristina: How?

Jack: Every animal on the mountain is male.

Cristina: That's very strange.

Jack: It's strange sort of at the beginning when you're like, oh, well, you know, all the birds they have in cages and all the cows they raise are just bulls. And like everything you. Everything they eat, everything they raise, whatever. But creatures visit the mountain.

Cristina: Yeah. There should be wild creatures.

Jack: Yes, there are. There's never been a female one ever recorded. That's weird.

Cristina: That's weird.

Jack: Them bringing, capturing and raising. Less weird. It's strange, but it's not like a phenomenon. It's just a bunch of weird people doing weird things.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: When you have birds freely flying and they're all male. And they're all male, you got something weird happening.

Cristina: Mm, that sounds very weird.

Jack: Very strange. Now, of the 20 monasteries, this is where it's gonna get really interesting. Like I said, there are many Orthodox, but there are some that absolutely aren't.

Cristina: There is.

Jack: Of the 20, one that is Serbian, one that is Bulgarian, and one that is Russian.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Important detail to remember.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: There are some people that live there that are called the sktei and they Live in villages on the mountain and they are the ones who farm. They are also the handiworkers of the area. They are the production workers.

Cristina: Are they all male also?

Jack: Everybody on the mountain, without exception, is male. There is no exception to this rule. No woman will ever be on this mountain. All male, no matter what you think, no matter what the question might be. They're male? Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Always and forever.

Cristina: Doesn't make sense, but okay.

Jack: They are f****** each other if they have to. All guys? Why don't know. All guys? Yeah, Just all guys. Any question about gender? Men. Yes.

Cristina: Are we having children?

Jack: No, they're all men. They couldn't.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The logic of men still applies. They are just as men. As men could be. They cannot give birth. No, they're men. Now, these monasteries are not just research facilities and religious constructs for people of faith. They also possess holy relics and they have icons as well. And they have mosaics of great value. They the usual things that Christians do in taking a bunch of important historical things and instead of showing the world, hiding them from everybody. Yeah, you know the sketchy thing that Catholics and Christians just love to do about hiding things? So that's happening there in abundance now. Although many of these things have been lost, though people have gone there and stolen crap. They have set fire to things. There was a time in history when they were being raided and pillaged on this mountain and a bunch of crap was stolen. But they apparently had so much crap that less than 1% of it was actually taken. But so much was taken that everybody that left left rich. So you have all the crap you're telling me?

Cristina: Yes. How?

Jack: How exactly how and why?

Cristina: Why?

Jack: What's the need to have this all up here? Very interesting. People who come to the mountain as visitors are not allowed to see any of the relics that aren't on display in their libraries. They have museums and they have vaults that contain the majority of them. The only ones you can go see are the ones in the libraries. So they're hiding religious artifacts and not explaining what they are or why they have them, which is weird. If you want people to have faith and to trust and to understand religion. The fact that you're hiding parts of.

Cristina: Your religion, the magical parts, probably.

Jack: Magical parts, probably. Now, important detail. Some of these things are actual religious texts, parts of the Bible, the original books from the Bible. Apparently there are more than just the books that we took away from the Jews, but other books that have just never even been mentioned are here.

Cristina: Why? Why are they hiding everything? Ah, okay.

Jack: I don't know, because they're doing the same thing in Italy.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Just a lot of hidden things.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: At this point, I'm starting to think we just need to go gather as people, like people of Earth. Think about this. We need to gather and just. Let's just go murder everybody in both of these locations and take all the stuff. They're not gonna let us take it easily. So we kill them all and take it and then find out why they felt the need to lie to all of you and hide what you guys. If you.

Cristina: It's probably impossible to steal whatever it is they have, though.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because other people try to do it and they stole things. But it was the obvious things, not the hidden things. The hidden things are probably super well.

Jack: Hidden because there are people fighting back. You do not have an opportunity to thoroughly Look. Now, if 100,000 people show up to this mountain and murder the 2,000 people there, now you just have nothing but time. Comb through this mountain and find everything that these people have hidden. God knows why. Let's go to Italy. Let's incarcerate every single one of these people, and we're gonna go into every one of these buildings, into every chamber. We're gonna break everything we can to get through every possible wall and see every room and capture every single piece of everything and publicize all of it. That needs to happen at some point. That needs to happen at some point.

Cristina: They're using magic to hide these things. It might not be possible.

Jack: According to the logic of this mountain, that would not be possible.

Cristina: Oh, yes. Because magic isn't working.

Jack: There must just be chambers, which means we can't just off every one of them and get to them easy.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, one. One artifact, one book, a very important book is on this mountain. But you were asking about weird rules. One of the weird rules, like I said before, is that they themselves are not allowed to go to the top of the mountain, to the highest point. They are not allowed at the highest point of the mountain. In the last thousand years, only 20 individuals have ever gone to the highest point of the mountain. Let's talk about the highest point of the mountain. It is visibly the only green part of the mountain. There is grass and trees at the top. Not snow.

Cristina: Not snow. That is weird. That is weird. Okay.

Jack: Very strange. The top of the mountain contains a single relic, a single book.

Cristina: What's in that book?

Jack: A bestiary.

Cristina: Weird. What?

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: Why is that? What's there?

Jack: That isn't the craziest part. The Russian monastery has been in a continuous battle to reclaim the bestiary that was written by the Russians. And the Orthodox Christians confiscated it, claimed it as part of their history, placed it on top of the mountain. And the Russians themselves respect the top of the mountain, so they themselves do not go.

Cristina: Wait, but like, is there. They don't say like, about the people that did go on top of the mountain.

Jack: We know nothing about them.

Cristina: Okay. Did they sneak there? Did they dis.

Jack: We don't know anything about him.

Cristina: It's very strange.

Jack: Don't know anything about him. We just know that there is Russian bestiary being claimed by the Orthodox Christians and hidden atop the mountain, where every monastery believes it is too sacred to visit. This is your artifact. Go up there and get it.

Cristina: But you can't.

Jack: But you can't because it's too sacred to visit. What does that mean? Does that mean what?

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Gets weird, bro. Like, what is happening? Also, how do we go up and get to grass and trees instead of snow? Mount Athos is the second tallest place in all of Greece. And how do you have grass and trees, not snow?

Cristina: It's for the unicorns to eat.

Jack: Olympus is only slightly bigger and it is covered in snow on top.

Jack: So. And it's in the same country, which means the same altitude should, in theory, lead to the same conditions.

Cristina: I wanna know what's in that bestiary that's so weird. Why is that one? The one that's hidden?

Jack: Why is that? What's hidden? You got all these other artifacts, but you put one up there, the bestiary.

Cristina: They got more than just unicorns in that beastiary.

Jack: It has to be.

Jack: That's strange, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay, let's go to the other question you had. There are two women to have ever stepped foot on this mountain. In the late 1800s, a woman disguised herself as a man, went onto the mountain out of, who knows? Curiosity. I don't know. She. There's something. There was a. There was some reason important enough for her to disguise herself and go there. We don't know what, but they removed her. She was incarcerated at the foot of the mountain. They built a prison just for her. And she was there her whole life until she died. Just for faking being a man and going out to the mountain later. It was legislated. They legislated so that women are not allowed on the mountain. It is in the law.

Cristina: In the law.

Jack: It's in the law that women are not allowed in the mountain.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That is in Greek law.

Cristina: Well, before she did that, it wasn't.

Jack: Also, this mountain counts as A sovereign state. So it is in Greece, but not.

Cristina: It's not part of Greece.

Jack: They can make their own rules.

Cristina: And the rule is no women.

Jack: No women.

Cristina: I wonder why.

Jack: That's the second woman ever to step foot on that mountain.

Cristina: Who was the first?

Jack: And what happened to her about 5,000 years ago?

Cristina: What?

Jack: Roughly. No, actually, about. No, no, that's wrong. It was about 2,000 years ago. Yeah. About 2,000 years ago, there was a woman on a boat headed to Cyprus, which is in Greece or part of Greece, or in some instances, part of Greece. In other instances, it's its own place, depending who you ask. She was headed there and the wind current pushed her away. And she landed on Athos without knowing what it was. But upon landing on Athos, this land was beautiful. This land was great. This woman proceeded to go to the highest point of the mountain. At the highest point of the mountain. She then prayed to her son to give her permission to claim the land.

Cristina: Pray to her son. What does this mean?

Jack: Two thousand years ago, about a year after the death of Jesus, Mary was on a boat headed towards Cyprus. The winds redirected her. She landed on Mount Athos, went to the top of the mountain, prayed to Christ that she can keep this land, and then we never hear of her again. This is in the Bible, in the Orthodox Christian book. This text is in there.

Cristina: Okay. She owns it, and yet they don't let women on it. That's very suspicious and odd.

Jack: Also, there is a green patch at the very top of this mountain.

Cristina: Yes. You think she lives there? You think she's still alive?

Jack: I don't know, man. It's just like the weirdest series.

Cristina: That is the weirdest.

Jack: According to the Orthodox Christians, these are the only two women to have ever stepped foot on this mountain.

Cristina: Yes. And we don't know anything about either of these women. It's just. That's it.

Jack: That's it. They refuse to give us more details relative to these things.

Cristina: She prayed for that mountain and then. I don't understand what. So weird. That's just so odd. I don't know what to do with that information.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: How did she end up there and what happened after she prayed? That's her story.

Jack: I was curious about the same thing. Like, do we know? Did she make a house? Does she, like, live off the land? Like, what happened? Nothing.

Cristina: Nothing. And then they don't want women there. I wonder why. I wonder how that's connected.

Jack: She was there before all the guys were.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: She was the first person to step foot on that mountain.

Cristina: What does that mean? I don't know. That's very strange.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: But no magic works on that mountain, right?

Jack: No magic works on that mountain.

Jack: Now, let us remember a very important detail about this mountain. The Atlanteans arrive on this mountain, how?

Cristina: The Pegasus. Right.

Jack: And a Pegasus is what?

Cristina: A flying horse.

Jack: So with a flying horse, you would obviously land where, to the top? Yes, because then you're going to come down, and if you land at the top, you're landing at the summit. The summit where the grass, the trees.

Cristina: Perfect for the horses.

Jack: Perfect for the horses. Where you've already seen other horses. Right. Where Mary also happened to go up to.

Cristina: Mm. What?

Jack: There's something about the. The mountain stops being interesting immediately. Because we were wrong about the mountain.

Cristina: It's the mountain top that's the most important thing.

Jack: It's the summit. Something about the summit of the mountain. Because we don't see, like, we can. I can get a pass and go onto that mountain right now. I am not allowed at the top of the mountain right now, but I can go to the mountain. I can get on the waiting list in six months. I could just go onto that mountain, check it out. Cool. They will arrest me if I try to go to the top.

Cristina: How did they stop each other from getting to the top?

Jack: Because they all adamantly believe that it is too sacred for them to go up to.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They do not even surveil each other. They put the bestiary up there. That belongs to the Russians, and they themselves don't go and retrieve it. They're on the mountain, too. They could have just gone up and got in it. There's no security. There's no buildings. There's no nothing. You could just go up there. If you live on the mountain, maybe.

Cristina: That summit is more than just a regular summit, then, like. But you said there's no magic. But then how could they put a book there? It's very strange.

Jack: So I have theories on what the point of it is. Right. Assuming that the whole mountain functions equally, and the whole mountain, like the second story, is true. This. This is the burial site Athos. And if giants, when they die, the same effects that their bodies already have where magic doesn't work on them, and so his body then fed the mountain. The mountain magic no longer works on this mountain, and the whole mountain works equally. No magic works atop at the summit either. This would mean a couple of things. Right? If you put a magical artifact on this mountain, you've stripped it of its powers.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now, this part on Top of the mountain is very different than everywhere else. Maybe that part on top of the mountain is the literal burial site. It is the only part with dirt and grass. It is the only part that isn't a bunch of rock.

Cristina: The burial site to the giant.

Jack: Yes. So giant would be buried at the very, very top, making it the strongest magic stream. So if you had something very dangerous and strong, magically speaking, you'd put it at the strongest dampening point, which could be the summit.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Alternatively, if the story says he's buried underneath. This is me. That was just me adding the sauce and saying maybe he would. Maybe that part is wrong. It is a burial site, but he was buried on top. The story says he's buried underneath the mountain. So the highest point would be the furthest from his body, thus the weakest from his effect, which means, potentially, we see the trees, we see the grass. It is the only green point. It might be the. It's just far enough from his body that it's the only part of the mountain where magic still happens. The only part of the mountain where magic can still work. If somebody who is connected to a being of pure magic were to go up there, they'd still have access to this being of pure magic, because that person could easily communicate or reach them, because magic still works. If the Holy Spirit or Jesus Christ or this vampire guy is really who she thinks he is and who everybody else thinks he is, and he can communicate and transcend, then this mountain would, in any case, dampen all those abilities. Except at this one point on top, this lady goes and prays and just, poof, vanishes. But it's because her son can take her from there.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: But it's also where Atlanteans come down from. They have access to not just advanced technologies, but potentially magic. Are they even really flying there? Because that's what they say. That's what the stories say, that they have these horses, they land on top of the mountain, but nobody's allowed to the top of the mountain to see this event happen. They just know that the Atlanteans come down from there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they put two and two together and say, oh, they flew there and then came down from there. But again, we know a lady went up and disappeared and that people come down and go back up and then they're not up there.

Cristina: So what do you think?

Jack: Sounds like some sort of a portal. Oh, sounds like the top of the mountain crap just disappears and reappears. Also, people are allowed on the mountain, but they're not allowed at the summit. But unicorns have been seen on the mountain. Where the h*** would the unicorns be? Where they could survive? Where there's nature at the top of the mountain.

Cristina: Where you think they're teleporting too, when they get. When they running away. Okay. Oh, oh, okay, that makes sense.

Jack: The top of the mountain is some Garden of Eden equivalent. Let's think about the Garden of Eden. The Garden of Eden exists in some sort of alternate bubble dimension that only certain beings can access successfully, but is hidden in plain sight. The Garden of Eden is also interchangeable with where the Atlanteans live. We've many times come across the text in different, different mythologies that reference these two things interchangeably.

Cristina: Connection to Atlantis. Okay, but the church people can't like do anything with that anyway. Interesting. Also, they probably have magical tools up there that they're studying, like in non magical ways, because it takes away the magic from those tools. Yeah, but they're not going up there.

Jack: Yeah, they're not allowed.

Cristina: Exactly. But they have a lot of crap.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And a lot of those crap could be magical.

Jack: But not on the mountain.

Cristina: But not on the mountain. Exactly. So that's a perfect studying location.

Jack: The top of the mountain.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But only 20 people in the last thousand years have gone up there who can study it. And how are they gonna bring you back the data?

Jack: If anything, when these people go up there to do anything, they're not staying up there. They're going wherever that up there is taking them. The people who go to the top of the mountain. These 20 people over the course of thousand years who live in these monasteries and have gone up there, were entering some other place. They were going somewhere else. But only these people were specifically chosen and allowed to cross whatever threshold is at the summit that's allowing them to go to whatever place. The same place where Mary went. The same place that the Atlanteans are coming from. The same place that unicorns seem to be popping out of. All connected to this one place on top that has such a vast similarity to the Garden of Eden, which is also consistently referenced alongside the opposing grounded, more real texts of the Atlanteans.

Cristina: The Atlanteans? Yes. They're the children of Adam and Eve. Okay, yes, I'm remembering that weirdness.

Jack: Oh, and by chance, Mary happens to go up there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Where she would come across the children of Adam and Eve.

Cristina: Yes. But that was accidentally total accident.

Jack: But also, if you are a Christian, everything happens for a reason.

Cristina: Okay. God.

Jack: The wind pushed her because it Was part of the plan. She went to the top because Christ wanted to see his mom again. Some reason she was there. For some reason, she went up there. For some reason. That's where unicorns are. For some reason. That's why the Atlanteans come from that same spot. For some reason, out of the 2,000 people that live on that mountain, nobody goes up there.

Cristina: What? Yes. I don't know what any of this means, though, because nothing can be proven. Because no one could go there. So it doesn't matter.

Jack: Nobody could go there. Nope. What now about this mountain? Only men are allowed. We know this. Visitors rarely, except in very specific circumstance where there have been emperors throughout history who have quit being emperors to go to this mountain on record. They just leave their kingdom. They abandon their kingdom and they go to be monks on this mountain.

Cristina: Where are they from?

Jack: All over the world. They just abandon their kingdom, their power, their money, their wealth, their ease of life, and they go be monks on this mountain.

Cristina: How do they even hear about it.

Jack: When asked why they stay there? The medicine grown from the fauna and the flora brings them health, intellect and wisdom. This is in documents. They've said these words. Almost all of them have. Now, let me point out what I have just said. Very importantly that you listen to this again, because unicorns, the flora and the fauna. See, it wasn't just the flora. It wasn't just. I picked up a plant.

Cristina: No. Magical animals.

Jack: Magical animals. Medicine from some creature is making you more intelligent, healthier and wiser.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: More so than any power you have acquired, than any building you have, than any money you have, than all the women that would throw themselves at you. Then you run entire countries and you're like, no, you guys can have it. I'm gonna go over there.

Cristina: How common are the unicorns up there? What? Or anything else that's up there. Like maybe all animals.

Jack: Not one of these emperors has ever gone to the summit.

Cristina: But you have to get to the summit to get some unicorn. Alcor. Whatever.

Jack: Alicorn.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Not one of them has ever been up there. Let me go on to point out the next weirdest part of this fact. Nobody. Not one. Not one of the texts from any of these monasteries on this mountain so much as hint to the existence of a unicorn. Every bit has been from people who left it, Nothing from the people who stayed.

Cristina: They have Fight Club rules.

Jack: Not even amongst each other. Do they talk about it.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Fight Club couldn't even keep that going.

Cristina: Oh, no. Huh?

Jack: But again, they literally don't even go to the Top. So they must really. I mean, it's monk's discipline is their thing.

Cristina: Yeah. Like they're not even going up there to get that book.

Jack: Nope. And it's. They swear it's theirs.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they argue with it and they try to get the individual who is allowed up there to go get it. Go get it belongs to us.

Cristina: But they're not gonna do that.

Jack: You go get it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No. It's either too dangerous or actually sacred in some manner, shape or form that we don't understand.

Cristina: If it is sacred in some weird way, like maybe it was an accident that that book even showed up there. Like, they probably didn't purposely put it there. But now that it's there, they can't get it back.

Jack: Whoever goes up there can bring it back if they wanted to.

Cristina: But no one does go up there.

Jack: In the Last thousand years, 20 individuals have gone up there. And this book has been updated all the time.

Jack: They have all been Christian. Every single one who's gone up there is part of the Orthodox Christians. It was not the Russians. It was not the Bulgarians. It was not the Serbians. It was a hundred percent each time one of the Orthodox Christians who was allowed to the top. It was only one at a time. And throughout the course of a thousand years, there's only been 20 people who've been allowed up there. I don't know what merits or like, what why. I do not know why them?

Cristina: Are they bringing down some unicorn horns? That's a good question too. I don't know. Because there. There's something magical that's keeping them healthy and everything.

Jack: One important. I forgot to mention this very important detail that I just looked at this text and saw. Very, very important. I don't know why I forgot this part. This is probably one of the most important details about this. After Virgin Mary landed on the mountain island, because it's kind of an island and kind of a mountain. And she went to the summit. She got to the summit on a horse.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Very, very important because there are no natural horses on this mountain. According to the Orthodox Christians that run the mountain, there's no horses. There's no horses. There's cows. Well, bulls. But there's no horse. There wouldn't. It's a mountain. How the h*** would a horse survive? How do you go up the mountain on a horse? That's mainly rock. It's a rocky a** mountain.

Cristina: But everyone says there's unicorns up there.

Jack: Only people who've left and come down with it. Nobody on the mountain. Says anything about this. Okay, Every record that exists about unicorns on this mountain exists outside the mountain. There are records kept on the mountain and there is not one mention.

Cristina: How did you get this horse?

Jack: Where did the horse come from? You landed here by accident on a boat. You didn't have the horse with you. And it's a mountain. Dude, you don't even understand. Give me a second so I can show you a visual. Okay, so this is what that mountain looks like. This is a rocky f****** mountain.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You're either at the base of the mountain, and that's the only place you see trees and stuff. That's where the farmers are. That's where they're growing the things, the crops and whatever. And then you see how the mountain goes up and just the trees just cease. The nature just ceases. And then you get to the very, very tip and we're back to trees and back to nature. Now look at the steepness of this mountain. She rode a horse to the top.

Cristina: It doesn't make sense.

Jack: No, no, it doesn't. She rode a horse up a vertical.

Cristina: Unless vertical.

Jack: She rode a horse that can travel vertically.

Cristina: Which one was that? Which horse does that? I can't remember.

Jack: The unicorn.

Cristina: The unicorn, okay. Yes, yes.

Jack: The unicorn travels vertically. It could just run up nothing. She could literally ride it in a straight shot without having to take a single turn to the very top of the mountain. So, yeah, she rode a horse. That's part of that story. She rode a horse to the top of the mountain. You were on a boat. You didn't have a horse.

Cristina: If she had a unicorn, where would she get that from? Or maybe she just found the horse.

Jack: That could ride up the side of the mountain.

Jack: They didn't say unicorn. They do not say unicorn. They specifically don't say unicorn. It's just a horse, according to them. But also, you saw this f****** mountain.

Cristina: It was definitely a unicorn.

Jack: How else are you gonna get to the top of the mountain? The mountain just stops and becomes vertical. How are you gonna get to the top of the mountain on a horse?

Cristina: Unicorn, man. It has to be a unicorn.

Jack: It fits the narrative According to the descriptions of a horse that could run vertically.

Cristina: That's crazy. She has the unicorn and then she disappears into Atlantis. That's so weird.

Jack: Okay, I mean, looking at these details, I did come across John the Russian one more time. I didn't find additional information of any sort. He still talked about the same place, Getting it from the same thing. Just very. But there was one thing that didn't Seem important at the time that I didn't mention, because it's okay, it's in the mountain was my idea. But he specifically said that it came from the summit of the mountain.

Cristina: Oh, it didn't just come from the mountain.

Jack: Not just the mountain. He specifically said he got it from the summit of Mount Athos. Now, I didn't think that mattered in seeing it. I was like, oh, yeah, he did say that. I went ahead and I extract, you know, compressing information to make it through the episode. I just. Hey, was at the mountain. It didn't seem relevant to specify which part of the mountain. He just got it from the mountain, bro.

Cristina: Unless you know where exactly.

Jack: Okay, yes, he got it specifically his own words from the very top of the mountain.

Cristina: Okay. So there's definitely unicorns on top of that mountain. Something on top of that mountain, and probably Pegasus too. It's pretty cool.

Jack: Important that I say, John, because also the two records, the public records in the Greek records are also claiming it was from the summit.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now this creates an interesting problem because that means that in the last 300 years, at least three people who weren't supposed to be on the mountain went to the summit. Or somebody handed it to them. Somehow, some. Somehow they got something that was from the top.

Cristina: Even though no one's allowed up there.

Jack: Even though no one's allowed up there. Did they sneak up there? Did somebody bring it down from up there? The people who live on the mountain aren't allowed up there, but they do say that people do come down from up there. Now, nobody lives up there. There's nobody up there. So the people who go up there, they believe land up there and then come down or that is what they tell us.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That they land up there on their Pegasus and then they come down. That could totally be the case.

Cristina: If that's not.

Jack: Then they're just popping up there and coming down.

Cristina: Oh, okay. But he's not popping up there.

Jack: We don't know. We just know that they got it from the summit.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's it. We know three individuals got alicorn from the summit. That's it. That's the extent of our knowledge in this area.

Cristina: Okay. We don't know how it just happened.

Jack: Yep. So that's what I got. That's what I found about this mountain.

Cristina: This magical, non magical mountain. That is crazy.

Jack: I mean, I don't know. I don't know. We know there's a bunch of artifacts. We don't know if they're still magic. We don't Know if the summit is magic or isn't magic or is the.

Cristina: Only place so much secrets. It's just a secretive. Secretive.

Jack: It's a secret mountain.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: With a bunch of fuzzy details that have been snuck out. And we have to connect it with the details that have been speculated and the crap that they decide to tell us.

Cristina: That's amazing.

Jack: Mount Athos is also, because of this Virgin Mary story, the most sacred location for orthodox Christians.

Cristina: Of course. What? Interesting. It's very interesting and weird. And what? Is she still there? What is she doing? Like what?

Jack: And he has hard, hard Garden of Eden vibes.

Cristina: Yes. It's definitely connected somehow. Yeah.

Jack: Somehow. Arguably. Maybe the same way that whatever's happening in the Bermuda Triangle connects to it. Maybe this is the same kind of idea that the Bermuda Triangle. We know what. There's nothing there. But there's also something there.

Cristina: There's something protecting something.

Jack: Yeah. And things can go and you'll see nothing. But you cross some threshold and pop up somewhere. That sounds literally like what they're describing about this mountain.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which would say maybe the Garden of Eden has many entryways.

Cristina: That makes sense.

Jack: All being protected one way or another.

Cristina: That is interesting. I wonder if there's any crazy airplane stories around this mountain.

Jack: Interesting. Like. There are. Because there's has to be curiosity. Right. People just like, let me see.

Cristina: Wow. Okay.

Jack: So that's the story of Mount Athos. That's what I could find it. Very vague. It seems like the deeper I dig, the more vague and indirect the information becomes.

Cristina: But there's something there.

Jack: Something there for sure.

Cristina: Just. It was so little, but it's still something somehow. The secret is still. It's not well kept. No, it's really well kept, actually. Yes. But isn't it still there?

Jack: It's still there. We know there's something there.

Cristina: Something slipped.

Jack: We don't know what the h*** is there.

Cristina: Nope.

Jack: According to anybody who manages to go up and come down. Unicorns. That's all they got to say. Unicorns they don't talk about. Oh, the Atlanteans are up there. No, the people on the mountain told us that story. People outside the mountain speculate about it, but people on the mountain tells us those stories. That's what they want us to think. That's what they want us to know. Those are details they're feeding us.

Cristina: Why would they want feed us that. That's so strange. It's all strange.

Jack: They're also okay with us knowing about Virgin Mary being on there. That's totally cool with them.

Cristina: But not. Yes, that is very weird. What?

Jack: Okay, anywho, for the past God knows how long we've been talking about this. So if you guys are interested in any of this, you guys know where to find it. We're everywhere but you. If. Please look. Greeks and non Greeks, historians, anybody who's ever visited this mountain and somehow comes across this show, like, reach out. Talk to us. Tell us if you know, detail. If you've never visited and you know something we don't, you know, reach out. You can find us on all the socials, TikTok, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, usConvopod.

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Jack: Not just smiling, but, like, with mad, hopeful eyes.

Cristina: Like, if I wish I were you.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Like, through their face you can see that they're, like, trying to gauge your reaction about what you're listening to and you're horrified.

Cristina: So what are they thinking? Like, oh, this episode must be really good.

Jack: Well, I don't know, because they're over here just super souped looking, trying to see if your expression gives off anything so they can get excited. When you get excited about, oh, my God, is that exciting? That's all they're thinking. Like, wow, if they get souped about anything, I can only imagine what it is.

Cristina: Whoa. Our fans are too extreme.

Jack: Extremeness.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

February 17, 2023

Rambling 214: The Missing Link

February 17, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

When did life start? Who made the first tools? Who spoke the first word? The duo unpack the origin of humanity to better understand when and how the structures on the old equator were built. The conclusion goes down a familiar road that the duo could not have predicted would play out how it does!

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Ancient Advanced Civilizations
Mount Athos
First life
Oldowan
Homo sapiens
Atlantis is first mentioned in Greece
Unicorn Dust
Unicorn Horn
Old Equator
Prehistoric Era
Oldest Structures

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And today I have some interesting things to talk about. Particularly interesting things. So let me begin by reminding everybody that we recently just took a deep dive into unicorns and found out that there's an actual location where it seems that people consistently spot unicorns on top of a hill, a mountain. It's Mount Ethos in Greece. Well, trying. We found this because we had to. As you know, we did an episode on unicorns. You wanted to know how they were actually magical. I went on that trip to find out how they're actually magical and found a bunch of things. But looking through that, in the original thing, we found the merchant. Then we traced the merchant through the. The second episode where we came back to find out how they're actually magical. And in between that, we also talked about the. The really, really old equator.

Cristina: Yes, the one that changed.

Jack: Yes, the equator's always moving. But where it was 450 million years ago was magical. I don't think it was magical. Why was it magical?

Cristina: I don't know. Because everything was on that line or whatever.

Jack: Oh, yeah, A bunch of things land on the line. But I don't know how that would make it magical. I know that things land on the line. It's just a weird situation that's going on that we might actually have to unpack for a bunch of different reasons. So first, I was very curious as to. Now, keep in mind, everything I just mentioned is connected. And I will also say we had an episode like three years ago about ancient advanced civilizations. And funny enough, when we were talking about the old equator, we mentioned Atlantis as well, I believe.

Cristina: Yes. Somewhere in the Gulf. The gulf, yes. I think.

Jack: Yeah. So we have a couple of things that are all quite possibly connected.

Cristina: Atlantis is somehow connected.

Jack: Well, Atlantis is connected to ancient civilizations, okay. Particularly ancient advanced civilizations. And the old equator, okay. So it touches a lot.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: So here's my problem with the old equator. The old equator was 450 million years ago.

Cristina: That's a lot of years ago.

Jack: That's a lot of years ago. The oldest man made structure is only 12,000 years ago. Okay, that is a ridiculous discrepancy.

Cristina: Mm. It is.

Jack: That is.

Cristina: That's ridiculous.

Jack: It makes you wonder why they put it there when the place didn't exist. And Also, how do you know about it?

Cristina: How do you know about what?

Jack: About the old equator. Okay, so in order to answer some of these questions and explain how all of this connects, we have to go way back, which I'll do. This goes all the way back to 3.7 billion years ago.

Cristina: What's happening back then? Dinosaurs? No.

Jack: Well, first let me talk about how time works. I was listening to a clip, and the guy explained how a million seconds is 11 days, but a billion seconds is 31 years. You got to think about the fact that we have no idea what a billion is. We have no clue how monumentous of a distance A billion is.450 million years is half a billion. That's hardcore for, like, we can't fathom that many years. And he still built a line of structures across a thing that didn't exist anymore. What? That's already weird. But let's go all the way back. 13. I mean, 3.7 billion years ago is the original earliest life. That's how far back I'm going. The first life to leave any trace. We have not found anything older than this, the oldest, anything. So at some point, boom, life happened. Well, this happened 3.7 billion years ago. We don't know why, but something triggered it. Then we enter about 450 million years ago where the old equator was. Okay, this is about seven, eight times away. Like, if you have to. You'd have to multiply this a couple of times to make it backwards to where life began. Okay, so you already have a pretty substantial gap. Everything got complicated. We still don't have a brutally advanced life. It's dinosaurs and s*** roaming the Earth. There's no humans. There's no. No advanced intellect happening yet.

Cristina: But there's dinosaurs.

Jack: There's dinosaurs. Yeah. Okay, 2.5 million years ago. Now we enter what we call the prehistoric era. The prehistoric era is particularly important because what it really means is the era in which there are humans, but we are not recording history yet.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: We have not started recording humans have happened now, but we have not recorded any history. And this is gonna happen for a while. And keep in mind, we're talking prehistoric humans. Yes, Cave people.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Nothing we would call a H*** sapien yet.

Cristina: How long does that take?

Jack: A while. Okay, but so we entered this era 2.5 million years ago. We come across the prehistoric era, and then in this, we come across the original tools. Now, this is very important. This is why I chose this exact era, because obviously exactly 2.5 million years ago isn't where it started. The prehistoric era. It started a couple of years and not millions of years in. And maybe not too many. Might have been five, six years into the 2.5 million years ago, obviously. But what's important about this is these are the first tools ever made. They were not made by H*** sapiens, though.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: They were made by ancient primitive cave people, most of which actually went extinct. These are tools from bloodlines that don't connect to us.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Oh, fascinating.

Cristina: Weird. Okay.

Jack: Yes. They are called the Old Duvai.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Well, the. The technique is called Olduan, and it is in Olduvai Gorge in Tanzania. So this was all found there. And it's a series of different shaped rocks collected. So they were like. This is a natural that they were just all together like this. A bunch of pointy rocks. It would look like if you were make an arrowhead.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They were used to pierce things. A bunch of blunt flat ones were used to squash things. A bunch of perfectly round ones were used to crack things. So they weren't shaping these stones yet. They were picking these stones up.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Oh, my bad. They. They were actually making these stones. These are the. What is it? These are the. The first tools made that weren't picked up in the wild. That was.

Cristina: I was trying to kick it up in the wild.

Jack: Yeah, because the original tools that were picked up were just picked up. It was just. You're walking around, you picked up a stick and you swung it.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: Well, you had a rock and you threw it. But these rocks were shaped. They made these rocks. Now, it's still primitive, but it worked. Interestingly enough, it's compound. So complicated. I'll come back to that. I'll give you a little more background, and then we'll circle back. About 315,000 years ago is where H*** sapiens came to be. That is such a far stretch from 2.5 million years ago.

Cristina: The 2.5 is the tools.

Jack: Yeah. 2.5 million years ago is where the tools are made by primitive civilizations. Not even civilizations yet. We haven't gotten there. But 315,000 years ago, we come to be H*** sapiens. Who we are.

Cristina: What's the gap?

Jack: That gap is about 2,200,000 years.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Pretty hefty number.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then we enter the hundred thousand years ago mark. Now, important details to also establish the first long form discussions ever occurred. 100,000 years ago, conversations were not had by anyone other than H*** sapiens. Okay, this is a problem.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: How did you communicate creating tools? How do you have an advanced tool crafting system. And so many of them. If you don't even have language yet, how did you arrive at tools before language.

Cristina: Sign language?

Jack: I had the same conclusion. So in studying what was happening, incorrect. Because h*** sapiens used side language that they learned from apes and merged it with sounds they heard from birds to then create a scenario where I can give you tone so you know what I mean and pitch, so you kind of get my, you can understand my, my, my motives and my tone. And like, I don't mean you harm or I do me new harm or I'm angry based on the sounds I'm making in their tone. And I can be very specific by pointing at things and like doing very ph goldest plays. Okay, that was primitive conversation, but the first long form conversation was that. So that was not 2.5 million years ago. That was just 100,000 years ago that we did that. We're immediately coming across problems just following history.

Cristina: So then what were they doing?

Jack: We'll figure that out. We got quite a ways to go and we're already hitting knowledge issues. How do you have tools? You don't have communication? Okay. This was experimented on, this was tested. There was an archaeologic experiment done. A bunch of students were taken, college students, and they were broken down half. You know, split them into two groups and you're gonna teach them the methods that these people use to make the stones. We can teach them two different ways. First one, you're gonna tell them how to do it, but you're not gonna show them. The second one, you're gonna show them how to do it, but you're not gonna tell them. The people who were shown how to do it performed four times faster, better, and with more proficiency without language than the people who were told how to do it.

Cristina: Whoa. We're better at communicating without actually communicating.

Jack: That's not. Without communicating. That's still communicating. We're just not using language.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy.

Jack: Yeah. We're better communicating without language.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Well, you gotta understand, we were already creatures 2.5 million years ago when we went that entire time for 2 million years of existence without ever talking to then just having started that a hundred thousand years ago. We don't know how the f*** to do that. We don't know how to communicate, but.

Cristina: It makes sense that they would be able to make those tools.

Jack: Yes. We don't know how to talk. We figuring that out, but we could probably, hands on, show each other how to do things easily. This experiment proved it. So it immediately raises the problem of how do you have mass production of tools? We'll just show the guy how to do it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And he shows the next guy, and he shows the next guy, and before long, everybody saw how to do it, and everybody can make it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Still don't have language, but it works.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now, when you apply this to some of these structures that we have in the world, where we're like, how do we build it if we don't have the. If we didn't have the tools or the technology at the time? It's like, okay, there is a gap in knowledge that we have that would make this real easy, like the language barrier. How did you make tools when you couldn't communicate them? Okay. How do you make pyramids when you couldn't feasibly craft the stone and then carry it? It's the same question, just applying it differently.

Cristina: So they just had another way.

Jack: There was just another way, and we just don't know what that way is. But the structures there. There had to be another way.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's simple. It's nothing extraterrestrial couldn't be. It's just another way. We don't know.

Cristina: That makes sense. Yes.

Jack: This experiment proved that, again, people thought that these stones were shown to them by aliens and that they kept providing them simple things to not advance them. Technologies like theories and s*** that, you know, they kept providing them and collecting them and giving it to them so they wouldn't have to, like. So they wouldn't push their advancement too far, too quickly. You know, prime directive kind of thing. You don't want to screw up their development. But it's like, no, we can prove that wrong. We can easily prove that wrong. People who were shown how to do it are way more efficient than people who were told how to do it. You don't need language. It's actually easier without it.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: Language is convoluting things and messes it up.

Cristina: Yeah. What?

Jack: Enter 5,50,000 years ago. 50,000 years ago, we finally got to the place where these bird songs and lexical sign language things come in. And we establish what we would now call language, the primitive versions of them. But this is language that we can actually sustain conversation with. Before we had small, it was the first long form conversation. But language didn't happen yet.

Cristina: Long form conversation happened 100,000 years ago.

Jack: Long form conversation happened, but it wasn't language.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It was figuring out how to make language. You could sustain a conversation, but it was a lot of hands and Stuff. And it was like a bunch of other crap. Yes, By. It only took 50,000 years for this to get so complicated. We completely dropped off hand gestures and words had such vast complexity. I could send images from my head into yours, by the way. Language is weird.

Cristina: Yes. Yes, it is.

Jack: It's a form of psychic telepathy or something. I can throw an image into your head. I can say spider, and you can picture spider. Yeah, I sent that image from my head to your head. I can say, there's nothing purple in here, but I sent a purple image to your head. This weird thing we could do that's telepathic. And we're like, well, it's so weird that a dolphin can send a sonar signal and then another dolphin and gets an exact image in his head. Don't get me wrong, that's way more precise. Yes, but it's the same idea. Yeah, it's just.

Cristina: It's very similar. It's.

Jack: Yes, the same concept. They just mastered the h*** out of it. Okay, so we. We know that language gets complicated, but we also know that we don't need the language for these tools. Problem erased. Great. Fantastic. Let's move on. The first form of record happened about 45,000 years ago, and it was a cave drawing.

Cristina: It doesn't feel so long compared to everything else.

Jack: No, we solved the problem, and then we immediately came across a different one, which is quite problematic because if people have been around for 2.5 billion million years, why didn't anybody draw anything out of curiosity? Just handprints on a wall or something.

Cristina: But that's what cave drawings are.

Jack: Yeah, essentially. But okay, that's 2.5 million years ago. And we're talking that the first one, we've. The oldest one, is 45,000 years ago. There's a quite substantial gap going on. There's a problem there.

Cristina: Is that a problem? This is weird.

Jack: Nobody has touched any. Anything that would leave any form of a trace.

Jack: Are you kidding me? You didn't kill an animal. Go hide in your cave. And your hand just happened to have blood. And you're just, oh, let me take a break and lean against the wall. And I got a handprint. No, we don't have any of that. None of that has ever happened. 45 thou. Now, the ongoing discussion with this is because we're talking cave drawings and we hadn't invented erecting structures yet that it's possible we just haven't found the caves. They have the drawings, but then we haven't found the caves that have the drawings. That are older.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You think we found every cave?

Cristina: No, of course not.

Jack: Yeah. There has to be so many caves. But then that creates another problem again, where the h*** would these people. It would have to be people we didn't know existed. We'd have to find even more civilizations that didn't exist to then find caves that we didn't. That we didn't follow the people we already know about to. We got to follow people we don't know about the caves that we didn't think people would be in.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. How do you even do something like that?

Jack: Exactly. And why haven't we stumbled upon these civilizations before that would then lead us to these caves?

Cristina: It sounds complicated. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Weird gap in knowledge there. Now, another interesting detail there is. We're still in the prehistoric era. Nothing has been recorded. And the closest thing to a record is cave paintings.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We don't have proof of life of anything other than fossils and stuff.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: That's it. Like, there's no record of anything. And so we assume because fossils that there wasn't intervention and that people made things themselves. And that checks out pretty hard. And again, we can prove it through these experiments and know that we don't need the language interventions. Like aliens in aliens advanced older civilizations that we don't know about anything of any of that nature. Just something way more advanced.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like, it doesn't seem necessary until we get to this problem of where are all the people who would have drawn in the caves?

Cristina: What do you mean? There's no bones of people or something.

Jack: They would have led us to the caves.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It's an easy statement I am making. There are caves with the oldest drawings we've seen. 45,000 years ago, humans existed. Not humans, but, you know, creatures that can make things and think on a higher level. Since 2.5 million years ago, if there were other people who ever left a cave to go catch their food and a single one of their bones were left behind, we then have the trail picked up and it would have led us to the cave. Hasn't happened. The old. There's too many of us all over the place looking. We haven't found any of it. And the oldest we can go is 45,000 years ago. We have a 2.5 million year gap from the knowledge that there are intelligent beings to the full first record by accident.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You don't see an issue with that? You don't see how weird that is?

Cristina: Why would it. I don't know. Like, were they all living in Caves. Why is caves important?

Jack: Because it's shelter. Yes. They were all living in caves. Shelter. Yes. A cave stops the sun from hitting you consistently.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It stops rain from making you sick and die. Actually, it stops the sun from killing you. It stops rain from killing you. It stops the wind from killing you. Kind of. If you made it, you lived in a cave. Until we invented structures, okay? That's the rule. You had to. Where else would you be? Oh, that's why we called them cavemen.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Because you had to. It was the only solid thing. Like if a hurricane came by. Okay, you're all dead then. Well, no, because the cave saved you.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: Nature's f*****.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And without shelter, you're not making it.

Cristina: So it was only caves.

Jack: It was only caves.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: But that's a problem, because in the caves, we don't find anything as old as the people are.

Cristina: Nothing as old as the people. That's strange.

Jack: Not even my accent. No drawings, Weirdly enough, you have access to blood because you hunt, because you eat. Why don't we have drawings in blood? Why? If you have higher intellect, if you have language, if you have tools, and by this point, you have advanced tools, we're talking about entering a complex. It's 2.5 million years later. You've made s*** by now.

Cristina: But not homes yet.

Jack: You've not made homes. You got tools, simple things.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: And deal. You didn't make the one thing simpler than your tools. A drawing. Weird. Extremely weird. Extremely strange.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It would take 1% of the effort that it would to make a stone tool.

Cristina: If you're living like. Like you're surviving your life is survival. What's the point of doing a drawing? I don't.

Jack: Then what was the point of making the tools in the first place if they weren't all for hunting? And that was 2.5 million years ago. Where's your logic that, what, 2.5 million years ago, they had the tools. They didn't need the tools other than something to pierce skin. Why do you need the blunt one to make other things with? Why do you need anything other than what you're going to pierce the creature with? But you had many tools. For what? If it's just survival, like you're saying. Yes, way before 45,000 years ago, 2.5 million years ago. If it's just survival, why are you wasting valuable hunting time making tools? Go fish. It's way easier than making tools.

Cristina: But the tools aren't for fishing. The tools aren't.

Jack: There were many different kinds of tools.

Cristina: Yes, but you don't know what these tools are for.

Jack: There's theories of what the tools are for making cloth, making things, cups and crap like that. But it's also like, you could hold your hands or whatever. Some stones are meant. Meant to break. Other stones they would make. And they would make like it was. It's hard to explain because it's a bunch of anomalous things. But the point being, how do we not have our. I feel like this is not landing on you. Like, you're not seeing why this is troubling. The fact that we just have a gap where everything complexifies in intellect and somehow the first thing that even a child does did not happen to the most advanced fans of people at the time. Our children now are still dumber than they were at their peak. That is how it works. And still our children now draw, even if we would never show them. Children just start f****** with walls and doing things. It's natural.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Where is this? It would have naturally. You had kids. You had kids in those caves. Curiosity and things would have happened.

Cristina: But why would those things stay in the caves? Like, why wouldn't it just.

Jack: Because what's going. Why, what's going to bring it down if it' protected from the elements, Even from water. What water if it's in a cave? The point of the cave was that it was protecting you from the water. All right, I'll move on, since that one's not landing. 5,500 years ago, we end the prehistoric era because the first record is made, the first word is written. It appears in Mesopotamia, which is, I believe, Iraq, now Iran, something like that. Anyways. So, yeah, that's the first word ever written. And it shows up in, you know, written document.

Cristina: Just a word, like words.

Jack: I'm sure there was like a sentence.

Cristina: A sentence or something.

Jack: I'm sure something more than just like, hey, it was like a text message. It was probably something important. And yeah, that was about 5500 years ago. The first mention of Atlantis happens. 2,300 years ago, it's going to be. Okay, that's about 2300 years ago. Now, year five, we end ancient history and come into the next, which is, you know, a little more modern or whatever. And then when we get way farther, 1700 years later, 1730, we have the first documented unicorn information.

Cristina: 1730.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then. Well, maybe not the first documented, but specifically the merchants first encounter.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: And then in 1817, I mean, 1811 is when we get two different mentions of unicorn horns from two different Greek record keepers that both say it came from Mount Athos. That happens to be the same place that it seems the guy John, who gave it to our merchant in the first place got it from. So we had three different accounts of it coming from a mountain in Greece, Mount Athos.

Cristina: This is a very strange timeline.

Jack: Yeah. And it all holds together. It's all vastly connected.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: So I went down and I hunted down all the oldest structures in history. What are all the oldest things and where do they land? And what we find is that the oldest man made structure ever is 12,000 years ago. So way after language, but problematic because even farther from the equator, even farther, like where?

Cristina: Do you know?

Jack: Not location wise.

Cristina: Time wise.

Jack: Okay, this is entirely a discussion about time.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: 450 million years ago. Meanwhile, the oldest structure happened just 12,000 years ago.

Cristina: Okay, but is it on the old equator?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay, yeah, okay.

Jack: No, no, that's actually wrong. So the oldest structure on Earth is not on the equator.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But the surprising amount of the structures that we have are. Which is fascinating. But yeah. The oldest structure is called Gobleki. Gobekli. Gobekli. And it is 12,000 years old and some weird anomalous object. So we still have a problem that we don't know how these people found the equator. And we still haven't begun recording history for them to like. No archaeologists exist yet because nobody's written anything down 12,000 years ago. We just found out that they started writing 5,500 years ago. So there's no proof of where anything would land. There's nothing. So then we start thinking, okay, 5,500 years ago, this structure isn't on the equator. What about the ones that do land on the equator? Several of them are 400 or 4,500 years old. And if the basic words began 5,500 years ago, we only give it a thousand years. We still don't have any kind of way to track how an old equator. And even if we had somebody who did the science and figured it out, how did he get the document to you? So that then you could make your structure across the world on the length. But you did.

Cristina: Yes, because a lot of places did.

Jack: Many places did. A ridiculous upwards of 20 different magnificent.

Cristina: Structures all land on that before, handwriting.

Jack: Or no, a bunch of these structures were made after records began, but with no ability. Like archeology hadn't happened, science hadn't begun. There's no way to get it across before. Like the person who wrote it dies of old age because of how far it is.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: And the fact that it crosses the entire globe when everybody still thought it was flat, you know, these kinds of things. If you still. But actually, this is another weird thing. Apparently that is not true.

Cristina: That. What's not true?

Jack: The ancients actually had.

Cristina: They believe it was round.

Jack: They believed it's round. And they had some pretty solid science not dating as back as 5,500, but, you know, it was out there. There's some ancient believers in this going as far back as, like, about a thousand bc.

Cristina: Did their science make sense of why they believed it was round?

Jack: Or maybe it was a real complicated science, but, like, science is the wrong word. But they had their calculations and they figured their things out, and, yeah, they checked out. Like, it wasn't wrong. But again, it's after the fact that.

Cristina: After what fact?

Jack: After. After the fact that these structures were made.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Okay.

Jack: That that happened after the fact that the structures were made is still younger than all the structures that land on the equator.

Cristina: Mm. It seems so random, though.

Jack: Okay, well, it seems random.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Until I scroll right back to the top, the document I'm using to communicate with you, and we start again, but this time with the knowledge we got by the time we got to the bottom. So let's begin about 3.7 billion years ago, the first sign of life.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: 450 million years ago. The old equator. 2.5 million years ago. Random sounds and rocks.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That we would call tools. You're using it as tools. And prehistory begins because we are now officially calling these people the Rela. Not relatives, but parallel to the cave people that would later become us. Those aren't them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But, you know, they're living amongst. There's like, six or seven different equal things, by the way, I don't know if you knew that. That the cave people were like many and they were about equal, but they murdered each other off until our people made it.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: But actually, for a long time, there was a second group that was surviving, which is why a lot of people have, like, a lot of that DNA in there.

Cristina: But there's, like, three. There's more. There's like, seven.

Jack: There's a lot. There's a lot. They just kept murdering each other over time, and there's probably some still hanging out in some forest somewhere that hasn't been discovered now. So we go. We see humans 315,000 years ago, they start doing words that start to make sense 100,000 years ago. 50,000 years ago, we got full language. But we're still not recording anything. Very important information. We get to 5,500 again, the prehistoric era ends, and we have writing. That's why the prehistoric era ended. Now, around this time, we're also starting to construct the first writing is actually related to Greek mythology. Not literally the first writing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But as writing started to begin, the people who most quickly took advantage of it were the Greek. They made small notes. It was nothing complicated. Although later they had some of the. As we found out a couple of episodes ago, they had ridiculous notes on irrelevant thing. They recorded everything at some point.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But here's where this gets really important. Prehistory ends in 5500. But Greek mythology predates that because the stories were being told before we could record them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We immediately come across a problem. Why we don't know where the stories began because history began being recorded here.

Cristina: Isn't that like in everywhere, everyone had stories before we wrote the stories?

Jack: Right.

Cristina: So I don't understand. There's a problem.

Jack: No, I'm saying that that's like we don't. We just don't know when the stories were made is what I'm telling you.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: I don't understand what you were trying to tell me.

Cristina: No, I was just confused. Like, if that was a big deal or not.

Jack: It could be the fact that we don't know where the stories came from, then they got written. I'll explain why it's relevant in a second.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So the proto Indo Europeans, which, by the way, we also had an episode about when we're talking about how their stories became all the stories, and then all the religions and all the mythologies came from this one place. They told the original stories that later became everything. Now, that happened about 10,000 years ago. So before the records happened, the stories that would later become Greek mythology were told about 5,000 years before they started being written down. Okay, fantastic. Okay. Glad we got that out of the way. Because there's a story that is of unknown origin in Greek mythology that seems to actually have Russian roots, which is weird until you remember the Indo Europeans split in equal mass in every direction when their little volcano. Wow. And so they spread everywhere. And so the same people who became the Greek leader, or the same people who became, like, at the same time they became the Russians, and they left with the same narrative before writing happened. Then the stories went and evolved as, you know, telephone happened, and people kept changing the story as they told it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The one very important thing that shows up in both Russian and Greek lore written two different ways and vastly like the context seems to be entirely cultural, but it's the same exact story happens to be about a unicorn. A unicorn on Mount Athos. Okay, that's completely fascinating considering that the first recorded anything about that happened thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of years later. There's a story that is 5,000 years old, about a. Actually 7,000 years old, if we're talking 5,000 BC. But a unicorn on them on Mount Athos, long, long, long, long before our merchant comes across a Russian named John. Okay, who got it from Mount Athos.

Cristina: Do you have these stories though, or you have no idea?

Jack: It was very brief. It's literally just mentioned as a beast called Indrik. That happens to be a unit. I'm telling you, it's a bare minimum.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It's just mentions of things. I would have told you the story if it was more complicated. Oh, this is bit like there are people who've expanded on it, but that's not the original stuff people have added to it. That's very different. Okay, but fascinating that we have again, mentions of a unicorn from exactly this. So actually it's four different mentions of a unicorn. One is the same story, but in two different places. Now, people did not know of Greece from Russia 10,000 years ago. I mean, in Indo Europe, you know, they didn't. Didn't know. Didn't know about Mount Athos or any of that. So why is it that when this story does happen way, way, way later, it so specifically references Mount Athos? Somebody went to Mount Athos and saw what they would also describe as a unicorn and then wrote that down in Russia. Yes. And they said it was in that mountain that I saw it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This happens to be just maybe like 200, 300 years before it's mentioned in the Greek folklore. So somebody from over there that came over here side before you reported it over here. Very interesting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Four different sightings of the same thing in the same place.

Cristina: Mm, definitely.

Jack: Something weird is happening.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now we have a giant, giant, giant issue here. We know that the recordings came later and eventually mentioned the unicorn that existed in stories before that. So 10,000 years ago, first Indo European stories. Nice, nice sum. Considering that language complexifies so much so quickly because it only took 50,000 years to get to real complicated conversation.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We started a hundred thousand years ago, and then we made it to 50,000 years ago. We're like, what's up, dude? You know, like, okay, whoa. So, yeah, you do for 40,000 more years and you're At a place where you could be like, well, yeah, there was a thing in a place and stuff happened. And then the volcano blows up. You all run away in every direction and you left with the. Yeah, the thing. But you wouldn't know about the place these other people went to. There's one consistent thing that we cannot fix about this narrative. I'm telling you right now, there is no way any of this information could travel. There's no way. We haven't made any methods for this information to go from one place to another in such short times.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And information that is consistent. So there is a story that is in both Russia and Greece is right on the verge of when things started to be written. How do you get it from one place to another? There is many, many, many, many structures along an equator line that doesn't even exist. And there wasn't science in order to track it in the first place, but the information still got out. Do you see the pattern? We have a lot of information that's moving quickly in speeds that are impossible for the time that the people existed. This leads to one single thing. There had to be higher advanced technologies that existed around this time that we have no knowledge of for them to.

Cristina: Get the story from one place here.

Jack: Yes. And we're talking the further back we go, the harder it gets. So the equator is the hard one. That's the real hard one. Because how did you get the structures? It's easier to move the word than it is to move the rock. You know, how do you get the information all the way up there and then they build it? Problematic. And we're talking some of these structures are right there at the edge of when writing began. There's no way this was so complicated that you could send the coordinates. So we got a problem. Definitely. There had to be some ancient advanced civilization. But there's no trace. Funny enough, there's also no trace.

Cristina: What's the fastest way to, like, send the message, though? Like when they were saying horseback. Okay. I was gonna say birds, but that's. Horseback is faster.

Jack: I mean, a bird would be faster, but you'd need to know where you're sending the bird to in the first place. But with a horse, you are the explorer.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: You would have already needed to get to where you're going, show the bird how to get there. And now you have a messenger bird.

Cristina: Ah, okay. Okay.

Jack: You need to show the bird where to go.

Cristina: That's difficult. Okay, I see.

Jack: You already have to travel there.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: So there's a problem. So we have no evidence of past advanced civilizations, but we simultaneously don't have any accidental cave drawings or markings left behind anywhere. Now, why is this relevant? Because we know of a past advanced civilization that might have existed, and it might be Atlantis. Okay, now, interesting part about that. It also falls on the equator, the ancient one. And, okay, we know mentions of Atlantis are abundant in records all over the place. They really believe those people existed. But also, there's no trace of those people. But also, they claim those people were highly advanced. Yeah, but also, the structures that are lining the equator are way more advanced than the people who built them were. So let me explain. There was an advanced civilization on the equator who did have the capacity to create the science and then pass that on and probably had the ability to transport it where it need needed to go and existed roughly around the same time that we needed for that to be the case for the information to get where it needed to. So then the structures got built afterwards. It completely solves every problem that this timeline has to just say Atlantis that is actually on the equator existed. And if that's the case, then, yes, they had the science. They could do the math and find out where this line goes.

Cristina: You think they have the caves?

Jack: We'll get there.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: He's got to stay on topic, man. We get there. You know, you going over there when I'm over here trying to explain to you what's going on. Atlantis had the science, and if they have the science and they're as advanced as claiming, then they are the first advanced civilization.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But we're talking technology to our scale or greater. Yes, factually. Now, the other thing that's interesting here is we're thinking of people like the Egyptians that built the pyramids, and we're like, oh, how complicated? But actually, we forget that these people were about as advanced as we are. We just think back. We're like, oh, they had to be ancient, but no, they had to be about at our level. Which is complicated because, yes, everything you built would suggest that unless somebody helped you, but then they. They sort of violated the prime directive and moved you quicker. But it's fine, because they're just like you. They're people like you. They're human, too. So. Because here's why that's important information. How did we so fast get to the Egyptians Popped up, and suddenly they're just the way we are. How did these civilizations so quickly get from point A to point B so long ago that they were where we are? Unless this information is wrong and they started further back.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But they didn't. Because we can prove that there's no trace of that. We can date these people to where they began. So the fact that they were at our stage does not make sense. But we know they were. Which is weird. So again, we came across a problem. Unless we insert Atlantis into the equation. Again.

Cristina: And how does that help?

Jack: Because you have people who are already sharing the knowledge. That's how you got the coordinates. That's how you traveled across the world. You have the people gonna see you.

Cristina: Okay. These are the special people who are helping everyone else advance.

Jack: Yes. They are so advanced themselves that they're helping everyone else. Two things conflict. One. Where are they? There are things that suggest underwater. There are pillars. There are structures. Quite advanced structures. Complicated rock designs and decorations leading into the water.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They could have sunk. But then we go in the water and we find nothing but these structures. Highly advanced people wouldn't just die out.

Cristina: You're gonna say they went into space.

Jack: They went into space.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Interesting things that are gonna follow. Now we know that not only did Atlantis kind of plop off the face of the Earth with everything they had, but we know that there are two different groups of people on other parts of Earth that just also suddenly disappeared. And we believe some of them went down. But we also believe some of them went down. Up. Now we have no proof that anybody went down. That's just you guys seem to be quite introverted as a civilization and not going outward at all. So we assume based on the fact that there's catacombs and tunnels that we can't unclog and follow, that you're probably underneath all your structures. Buried.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or plugged into some matrixy crap. Because it happened. Like, how did everybody do it?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Weird. How did everybody just. Overnight. Everybody's gone. That's the weirdest part about the mayans. It under 50 years every. Unless some crazy plague got ripped. But then where all the remains.

Cristina: Like if they were underground and dead.

Jack: That's possible. But we would see something. We would have seen some groups of people or something. The fact that there's almost no trace of these people other than, like all their stuff is there. But where the bodies. That's why they have to be underground until you remember that. We also don't have the cave drawings and no link in those directions. Like where this should be older. The idea would be maybe there are cave drawings but there aren't remains. Because somebody took those people. And the people who took those people might have been the same People who are sharing the knowledge. Because you need to take people of every walk of life if you're gonna go explore. So Atlantis people not only advanced Earth by giving everybody information that would allow them to advance way beyond. We're talking that the Egypt, in a 1500 time period, managed to become as sophisticated as we are. Are you kidding me? And then afterwards, it took us longer to get to the same point.

Cristina: So they help everyone and they took some of everyone.

Jack: Yeah, but think about the logic of what I just said. In about 1500 years, they came to exist and got to where we are technologically, and we are still getting to where we are technologically. And it's been like 10,000 years. Do you see the problem? Huge discrepancies in what's happening. Either we are nowhere near as sophisticated as the Egyptians were and as the Mayans were, or they weren't as sophisticated as they were.

Cristina: They got help.

Jack: They got help, and then a bunch of them disappeared with literal no trace. And we're talking from advanced civilizations to primitive people.

Cristina: Are you saying the Egyptians disappeared?

Jack: No, the Egyptians didn't disappear. The structures are complex. Mines. As a beard.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And there are. I don't remember the other one that we talked about that they had the thing that opens, and then they could, like, in theory, have a rocket, which the Egyptians also had, but the Egyptians didn't actually use it. And it's more likely that theirs is.

Cristina: A laser or battery. Yeah.

Jack: While there was a different pyramid that had the ability to open at the tip. We know that only one of the pyramids in of the ancient Egypt pyramids does because they actually capped with a metallic or gold tip.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So a bunch of them couldn't open. I don't remember where this other one was, but it's in the Ancient Advanced Civilizations episode, if you guys want to listen to that. Okay, so we need to connect the Atlanteans to the last bit of information we have here in order to complete our informational circle.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The first written mention Atlantis just so happened to come from Greece. And the first mention of Atlantis in the Greek documents happens to talk about how they have bestiaries globally. And one of the most interesting parts about Atlantis and their bestiary is that according to. Because we don't have them, according to the Greeks, their creatures were of magic. What? And the Greeks only describe one other creature, but they say that creature is not magic. So weird. But in both cases, we seem to be talking about a very similar creature, because the Atlanteans had what would, in theory, now just be considered a Pegasus.

Cristina: Wait, what?

Jack: Yeah, Atlanteans had Pegasus, which then goes ahead and explains how you're locally traveling. And then you probably have advanced technologies that are also getting you across the world. So we have travel established very monstrously here.

Cristina: If they have flying horses. Yes. Okay. What?

Jack: Weirdly enough, how are you saying these people have flying horses but you have a unicorn? That doesn't happen. It's real. It's real. But it is magic. Yeah, but it's real. As opposed to. But they also believe that the Atlanteans had real Pegasus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay. Actually, they believe all of this is real. They do believe that there's mythology, but unicorns don't show up in Greek mythology. They show up in Greek documents.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: These same documents. And go ahead and mention the Pegasus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the fact that the Atlanteans had bestiaries with creatures that they'd never seen before.

Cristina: Not just like the Pegasus.

Jack: Not just the Pegasus. There's a plethora. But that's the important one right now.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because the fact that they can ride a Pegasus, that is magic. They can travel and that there is a horse that is also magic and happens to be in Greece. We're getting close now. We're getting to similarities. Both have magical horses. The one important thing about this document from Greece is the weirdest part about this.

Cristina: What?

Jack: The people from Atlantis would visit and they would fly their horse to one location.

Cristina: Mountain.

Jack: A mountain. And they would unmount there and then come out. Where was it? It was Mount f****** Athos.

Cristina: Is that why they had those horses there? Like did the. The unicorns.

Jack: No, no, I didn't meet them. Did not meet them. I know that there were unicorns and they were landing up there with Pegasus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That mountain, for whatever reason, is sacred for horses.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the mention of this mountain relative to unicorns. And the mention of this mountain then relative to Pegasus. Weird.

Cristina: That is very strange.

Jack: Not the strangest part.

Cristina: What?

Jack: The strangest part is that they apparently, without having to be virgins, can easily interact with unicorns. That's the weirdest part about these documents. That the Atlanteans can. That they're what?

Cristina: How do you know that are inversions.

Jack: How did they multiply science. Then they're not human and they're aliens by default. Okay, Immediately broke the argument.

Cristina: They're aliens to begin with.

Jack: So anyways, these aliens that came from outer space and are totally not human helped everybody out and that's the end of the story. Then obviously they had to reproduce. But we Have Atlanteans that have Pegasus land on a mountain that's claimed to have a bunch of unicorns. They seem to tame the unicorns. People have actually come with parts of unicorns from up there to prove that there are unicorns. These people had advanced technologies long before advanced technologies from people who are still here left. They seem to have dipped out because there's no trace of any of their stuff. But a bunch of other people also dipped out. And we know that these people didn't just leave, but they were also communicating with everybody everywhere. So they would have come across these more primitive people, presumably the Atlanteans, to be this far advanced and way above our heads by miles and would have been around much, much, much, much, much longer than even the Indo. The proto Indo Europeans, in fact, so far ago that they were beating maybe. Perhaps language. Maybe they were at the inception of language, which is also around the time that we started seeing the first cave signs. If they predate that and they're helping people consistently, then maybe they're consistently plucking people from different walks of life to bring them and incorporate their knowledge. Oh, you start developing a different way. Let's incorporate you so that we can move up quicker with you.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Oh, you guys are also. Okay, we're gonna. And then as we get knowledge, we're also gonna share it. We're also gonna share it everywhere. Share it everywhere. Where'd you get the idea to start cutting these rocks in the first place? Somebody gave it to you.

Cristina: Mm. You didn't just idea.

Jack: Yeah. You didn't just stumble, but somebody gave it to you. But it wasn't aliens. That doesn't make any sense.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But somebody did gave it to you. And yeah, language got complex really quickly, and words started pretty basic off, but you would have started drawing at that time. Unless when you started coming up with language, somebody took note and they're like, oh, these guys are smart enough to start coming up with language. Let's start scooping some up and see how it goes.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So you took the people who would leave the least amount of trays but you would keep safe. And then we never find their bodies, which means they never lead us to the caves in the first place. And boom, we answered that question too. On top of the fact that then with all their science, they go ahead and share with everybody, because apparently they have flying horses and extremely advanced technologies that then allow them to give other groups of people. Hey, if you put it right here, you align perfectly, and then that would explain everything. That's happening in Egypt with extremely detailed information. Something about that spot is particularly sacred to the people of Atlantis. Which would be because it is itself an area of advanced technology With a really complicated laser. That's probably not even a laser. But rather a transportation which we've established has a literal chamber inside.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That you would connect straight to the beam. That has the battery design and happens to be in Egypt. Which is the most advanced of all. And it's also the most mathematically complicated position wise. And we know people disappeared. There is something that could matter you out of here without a trace.

Cristina: And only the Atlantic people knew. How?

Jack: I don't know because I didn't talk to those people. But according to what we're talking about, the people of Atlantis disappeared. And there is a transport device on the equator. And how did they even get that level of technology themselves? Because we know that's not possible. But they did have it. So you had things you shouldn't have. There are people missing. And you have a transport device that happens to be on the line that those people who did have the tech also happen to be on.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they could travel to you even if you can't travel to them.

Cristina: And they're all just gone.

Jack: Yeah. So the idea here is all these structures aren't just normal structures. These are structures that were plotted by the people of Atlantis for different purposes. Including our transport device. But there's also giant clocks. There's space measurement devices. There's constellation measurement devices. Timekeeping. Just really highly advanced stone structures that wouldn't savagely disrupt a civilization. But would give them enough advantage over the people around them. And all happened around exactly the same time. I'll show you how weird this is. I'm just gonna give you the years of when a lot of these structures happen to line together. We have one, two, three different structures that happened about 4,500 years ago. And they are all on the equator. And they are about equal distance from each other circling the earth.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: How did you all manage to get exactly the same information, Put your structures in exactly the same place and not have any means of transportation to cross Earth?

Cristina: How many of them? Four. You said three. Three. Okay, three.

Jack: That's not even the biggest problem. Considering that there's another three that also happen to be around the same time. And again the same issue arises. You guys are too spread out across the Earth. How? These are 6,500 years apart. The other one is 4,500 years apart. And in both cases three structures separated by a planet all landed on the equator at the same time. At the same time.

Cristina: Crazy. Okay.

Jack: And this happened 2,000 years later again.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Three different structures around the world. Too far apart.

Cristina: Okay, that is very strange.

Jack: Somebody's telling them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they're not doing it because how. How are you getting all the way from India all the way to Australia? Not getting lost. Dropping something in Australia, Dropping something in India. Dropping something in Europe. Like what?

Cristina: Okay, what?

Jack: So the solution would be that the people that there were highly advanced people helping that would solve the problem. The people that were. They were literally on the equator, and we know their structures on the equator. The people went missing because they probably just dipped out with a bunch of other people that they got information from as they started seeing intelligence happen elsewhere. Yeah, it's. It's quite possible.

Cristina: Do you think they're related to the unicorns that are on that hill, though, because of the Pegasus that they have, or you think those are unrelated?

Jack: I don't think the unicorns belong to them. It's just the fact that there are highly advanced people that are both gone and claim to have been real by the same people also claim to have a flying horse and fly that horse to where there's already allegedly unicorns and say that these people can interact and tame the creature. You can't even come across. So it's just a bunch of random crap that somehow happened altogether interesting. And so as of now, with the mention of unicorns even existing outside of Greece, I thought Greece was the only people who thought it was real. But no, Russia believes so too many.

Cristina: Think it's in Greece, and they think.

Jack: It'S in Greece and they mention the mountain by name.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: Not only that, John was Russian and he handed our merchant the powder.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or it was the horn. Yeah, it was a horn. Yeah, he gave the whole horn to.

Cristina: The guy and it pretty much became powder at the end of the story. Okay.

Jack: He's given it by a Russian.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Who said it came from Mount Athos. There happens to be a story in Russia about Mount Athos and unicorns. And the only other people who believe that there are unicorns in Mount Athos and there aren't just mythology, but rather real, are the Greek who own Mount Athos and also said the Atlanteans are the weirdest people because they just go there and the horses don't run away.

Cristina: How many stories? Like, is Atlantis mentioned in a lot of places around the world?

Jack: Yes, it is an absurd amount.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's like. But the problem is Atlantis spun into mythology real quick.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: The idea is, why did that happen? Why did it so. Because the main reason is you can't find them. So it so easily became mythology. It's the same thing as the Mayans, but for some reason we're like, oh, they were people. Yes, but the Atlantis.

Cristina: No.

Jack: It would be crazy if. But us. Our narcissism is in there too. Like, they couldn't have been more than us. We're the people peak at the moment.

Cristina: Of course. Yeah.

Jack: We're always the peak, bro. We always think that before when we were in the stones, we're like, we're the peak. And there were like, people better than us. Whatever. Yeah. So that's basically the idea here. Definitely. Unicorns seem to have been at least tamed in the slightest way by the same Russians who did believe that they. Not the same Russians. The Atlanteans, in the place that both the Russians and the Greek believe that they would be.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the same people mentioning the unicorns, the Atlanteans and the Pegasus that happened to also have a bunch of records of other encounters with unicorns. Mention the high advanced nature of the Atlanteans. And then the Atlanteans land on the equator that was old. That then happens to be where all the other structures are that the only people who could access that would be the Atlanteans.

Cristina: Because they could just fly to each location.

Jack: Bare minimum. If we don't know that they have the technology.

Cristina: The.

Jack: That was the point of mentioning the Pegasus.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Bare minimum. You have a horse that doesn't have to slow down. You have flight. You beat everybody. You have flight, bare minimum. You got no tech, you have flight.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Bare minimum. But if that's the case, you also have magic because they still mention the fact that you're taming horses that literally disappear in front of people's eyes and you have a horse that freaking flies.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So if you don't have technology, you are literally messing around with magic. In either instance, you are way above everybody else.

Cristina: Yes. Yes.

Jack: The only answer to every problem we have come across is that the Atlanteans must exist. Is that.

Cristina: And they must be like a super advanced civilization, at least compared to everyone else at the time. Yes, they were.

Jack: They were so far advanced even back then that they are more advanced than us by like a thousand years. That's how crazy that is. Okay. So, yeah, basically I'd say I want to. There's. There's way more we didn't get to. There's like half of this, though, to go And I didn't get to it because there's a lot. And it's just. Just trying to conclude that all of this is possible. If we insert Atlantis, but it all falls apart, and we don't know how anything functions. If we extract them, but we believe reality that's accurate is the one with them extracted, which is like. You guys realize the solution is literally right there. If you insert that, everything works out. Which is funny because scientists jokingly have joke papers suggesting the same thing, but none of it is official. And it's all in joke. And it's like. But. But you saw what. Yeah, you saw what the rest of us concluded. Sort of. But they don't believe it's real.

Cristina: That is lame.

Jack: And they do not connect the. The. The unicorn that had. That was complicated research to tie all that back in a circle that led back to the unicorn.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because that's actually where I started. That was the hardest part, figuring that out. And then everything else just kind of fell out of that.

Cristina: That's so crazy. And there's still more.

Jack: Still more. Because it was weird. I chased the unicorn, just digging deeper, and then the very Pegasus. Well, I was like. I was just trying to expand on it. I didn't find a Pegasus. That happened to happen after Atlantis connected to everything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But looking for it, I found the story that the Russians had. And then going through that, I'm like, okay, so this is pretty hefty mention. And it's about the same mountain. What else happens in this mountain? What is. What are all the things that happen in this mountain? Atlantis. Why is Atlantis touching this mountain? That's sketchy.

Cristina: That is. Is there more? Did you look at a bunch more?

Jack: No, there wasn't a lot. It's pretty bare minimum that's happening on that mountain. It just happens to be like, Atlantis, the Pegasus. There is a fight that happened between a giant, and it's either his burial site or the giant through a rock. That is the mountain. One of those two. But that's mythology. That's Greek mythology.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: When it comes to actual records that they believe are real and wrote in honesty, believing this were like, these were events. They truly believe the Atlanteans would park a Pegasus on top of the mountain, hang out with some unicorns, and then come out and trade.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Well, so anytime Atlanteans showed up, you would expect them to come from Mount Athos. Even if they were not living on Mount Athos.

Cristina: Didn't they have any idea where Atlantis was?

Jack: The Gulf.

Cristina: That's what they knew that too, yeah.

Jack: Everybody believes it was in the prison.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So, yeah. Fascinating couple of details there. See, also, wouldn't that suggest that Atlantis. They were Middle Eastern?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The most advanced people in the world were Middle Eastern. Yeah, that checks out. It would have been some of the earliest people. In fact, the Middle east is directly above Africa, where we believe everything began.

Cristina: So that makes sense too.

Jack: Checks out that. Yeah, I didn't even think about that before, but, yeah, that totally fits. Even more.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The narrative just got tighter by remembering that. Oh, yeah, the first people are the north of Africa, the south of the Middle east, which would essentially just surround the Persian Gulf. If you wait long enough, they could migrate there, established civilization at the beginning of time, quickly move forward, and boom, we have what we now know. The one detail I'll add, we're way over time, so we're gonna close this right here. Is that if that's the case. And yes, they're the Middle Eastern people, and they are in this very specific region. In order for them to get to that level of advance, they also needed to go through trials and tribulations like all the other creatures that then became advanced. This would mean that they probably weren't from our time. They're not H*** sapiens. They might have been one of the other groups.

Cristina: Okay, okay. One of the other.

Jack: One of the other human.

Cristina: Humans. Yeah.

Jack: Okay, interesting. That makes sense, because they would have outdated us, moved faster forward, because we know that the ones that were ancient humans, not ANC humans, but those other cave people, were roughly at the same level we were. If you just say there were some that happened much earlier, which we know, 2.5 million years ago.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: One of those groups could have wandered off, landed here, isolated, become just between each other. Yes, we're working on it. Working on it. Working on an isolation until they're so advanced. By the time we start getting to where we should be seeing things that we're not seeing, they were already too advanced.

Cristina: They were interesting. Okay, so they're not even human, or. They are.

Jack: They are humanoid. They're not alien.

Cristina: Yeah. Yes.

Jack: Yeah. They're different caveman. That is not our lineage likely. So, yeah. Anyways, just food for thought. So, yeah. Many episodes you guys can look at relative to all this information to catch up. If you are not caught up there. We got unicorn episode. We got an episode with the Merchant. We have an episode talking about the old, old equator. We have a couple of episodes about the ancient advanced civilizations. We have episodes about Atlantis. We have, you know, Quite a lot going on. Aliens intervening. We got the Mayans disappearing. We got all of the Egyptians. The Egyptians and how we used it as well. There's a lot. There's a lot. You guys can find all that stuff on all our feeds and you can get in contact with us and let us know if you like any of it or if you have ideas. Look, if you got input to this, like, something that could fall in here, message us and let us know. You can hit us up on just convopod at TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, wherever.

Cristina: And remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And tell people, tell everybody. And this is actually a really interesting, weird thing that isn't normally talked about, but there's a lot of, like, documents that could connect you easily to all this information. You could research this and land at real science. Research that has been done by real scientists, real professionals looking into this and being like, well, that's a weird coincidence. And it's like, maybe stop calling it a coincidence, bro.

Cristina: What if it's not?

Jack: If it solves all your problems, you call that a theory, and then you hypothesize and try to experiment. Simple.

Cristina: Yeah. This has been the rhyming podcast. Thanks for listening. Bye. So let's put kind of that. That's great. Then they could talk about it. The point is to discuss.

Jack: Well, they're gonna be fascinated by watching. They're gonna be so excited watching and being like, what could they possibly be talking about? Oh, my God, I wish I could know. They're not gonna be worried about the fact that they're tied up or anything. Being held, horrified. No, they're like, what could they possibly be talking about in that episode?

Cristina: And then the person hearing it is not going to want to talk about it.

Jack: No, they're just. They're probably not even really paying attention. They're just truly horrified. They're super scared because that other person doesn't even seem to want to help. They just seem to want to be in on it.

Cristina: Yes. Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

February 04, 2023

Rambling 212: The Old Equator

February 04, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

What’s on the equator? What’s the significance? Has it always been the same? The duo discovers the equator has moved gradually over time and was once in a different location, now trackable by ancient structures. They deep dive to find the significance of this line circling Earth.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

The Great Circle
The Old Equator
Mysterious Ancient Sites
Pyramid of Giza Hidden Equations
Constellations
Speed of Light
Signaling to Alien Life
Comet impact
Noah’s Flood
Scientifically Advanced Ancient Civilizations
The Persian Gulf Oasis

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Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Ramwin Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas ever fathomed by the human brain.

Cristina: Like what?

Jack: Like stuff. A lot of it. Amazing sums of stuff.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But listen to me. Some of this stuff is amazing stuff. It's not just normal stuff. There's normal stuff. There's actually some kind of lame stuff too.

Cristina: Yeah, there's a lot of variety.

Jack: There's a lot of varieties of stuff. It's. It's the world, it's Earth. There's a lot of stuff, but some of the stuff is really high caliber stuff. And that stuff, that stuff is a bunch of. Are you ready for it?

Cristina: What?

Jack: Old stuff?

Cristina: Okay. What?

Jack: Mm, a lot of old stuff. So let me begin. I was on my road towards investigating some unicorns.

Cristina: Yay.

Jack: You know?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That was the plan. That was the goal. That was the original thought that I began this quest with. And I decided, hey, let's start this search on this path. And I'm sure I, at some point began investigating unicorns. I'm sure that began. I don't know how far I got.

Cristina: Because you straight away, I have no idea.

Jack: Maybe I don't know where I began, where I landed.

Cristina: You don't know how you landed at where you're at?

Jack: Yes, I began at unicorns. I've been trying. I've been trying to retrace my steps. I don't know how I got there, but. But at some point, I come across a single thing. The equator. I'm like, okay, yes, I'm familiar with the equator. Sweet. What equator? I'm like, whoa.

Cristina: How did you get from one to the other?

Jack: Well, okay, no idea. But as I am investigating the equator, or not investigating the equator, but as I come across the equator, what I come across specifically relating to the equator is that it shifts gradually, but at some point it shifted dramatically. And this lines up kind of neatly with a bunch of ancient civilization monuments.

Cristina: I don't understand.

Jack: Neither do I. Okay, so take a look at this image.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That is Earth.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: And that is the new equator. Well, that's the old equator. My bad. The equator, that's new to you. That's your new equator. But that's the old equator. That's if you follow the rotation of the Earth and how it's spun and all whatnot. Far back enough, you Land here.

Cristina: Okay, but that means that the Earth.

Jack: Was also impacted at a random moment by a comet that altered its speed and rotation just enough to tilt it to where it is now. And, and two, there was a string of monuments lining up just along the entire equator, encircling the Earth.

Cristina: The old equator.

Jack: The old equator.

Cristina: Were there people alive back then when it was the old equator?

Jack: Don't know. The people that settled along the old equator are people who were alive before the old equator. I mean, after the old equator long ceased existing. Without the means to find out what the old equator was. What?

Cristina: How's that possible?

Jack: There is in fact a list. They call it the Great Circle. And all these monuments exist along that equator.

Cristina: The one that they were not even aware of, the one they couldn't have known of. Like, I don't understand.

Jack: I don't either. All of these monuments, the Naga Temple, Easter Island, Machu Picchu, the Great Pyramid of Giza, just a bunch of. A bunch of all of it. All of the important things, all the things that are important are along the same line.

Cristina: The line that doesn't actually exist.

Jack: A line that doesn't actually exist. There's no way they knew it existed. They just. They were surrounding a line. But then, just a couple of years ago, a scientist discovers that there was an old equator. You trace far back enough, taking into account the impacts we can track and taking into account the rotation of the Earth, where it is now, where we can track it was thus telling us where it would be in reverse time. I guess you throw all those calculations in and you end up where it's going to be in the past, or where it was, I suppose is what I'm trying to say. Where it was and what you end up with is a line that falls on top of all of these monuments and statues and some our entire civilizations.

Cristina: But these happened after way after.

Jack: We're talking that the old equator is 480 million years ago and that the people who somehow all aligned themselves with it were about the furthest back 12,000 years ago.

Cristina: Okay, but they're not all in the same time either. Right. Where are they? A lot of them are around the same time.

Jack: Now, a lot of these monuments are spread out in age by quite a bit. They're really, really old by huge margins. But a lot of them are also quite recent. And it's like, how did you accomplish.

Cristina: So was it random? Because it's not like they could have talked to each other or anything.

Jack: Or could they have?

Cristina: How?

Jack: Well, that would be the question. Right. The question would be if in fact this was intentional, how was it orchestrated surrounding the earth?

Cristina: Mm. You have an answer to that? Mm.

Jack: Okay. So in order to figure out what's going on, we gotta go further back in time. Right. We gotta go back to see where the old equator lands, trace everything that happens and see kind of where it falls. So things we do know roughly about 450 million years ago was the line where it felt fell most exact over a list of over 20 different monuments. And now the molly the monuments are spread out through thousands, hundreds of thousands of years. Sometimes some before we believe people existed.

Cristina: What you're saying they're. That they're so old.

Jack: Yeah. That it's like okay, we know that people must have made this but how old it tells us there are must destroy our understanding of like where humanity began or some crap like that, you know. Okay, so some of those are that there's a lot of gaps here, a lot of missing information. We just know that somehow throughout the course of time people have aligned again. Sometimes they were at the same time, but a lot of the time they weren't. I don't understand how weird aligned just encircling the earth. So some key places that this touches include Europe, India, Australia. So you gotta orient the earth in such a way that this line is going to cross these points. The equator we have runs from our proverbial left to right. If you look at our traditional map, it's just slightly slanted like it starts to lower United States.

Cristina: And the headline.

Jack: Yeah, the current equator. But you'd have to tilt this almost vertically to go through England, to go through India, to go through Australia. Okay. Never really weird line.

Cristina: That is very weird.

Jack: That is strange. But that's how everything is rotating, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So and this pushes the North Pole and the South Pole onto the equator.

Cristina: What do you mean? Wait, those.

Jack: They would have landed on the equator there. That's a consistent temperature at all times. Which is proven with the fact that it has been shown that both the north and South Pole were you know geologists were not discovered long ago that the there were rainforests there.

Cristina: Were there people there?

Jack: Were there people?

Cristina: Yeah. They haven't found any ancient anything on those parts of the world.

Jack: Well that's an argument for a different day. But there is a lot on how to. That's kind of question whether or not there is or isn't. There's some evidence that. But it could have been left afterwards or by travelers coming through in much later years and preserve. The problem is being Preserved obscures your time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Okay, so it becomes difficult to say whether it was this long ago or this long ago, but there were rainforests there now.

Cristina: What a ridiculous line.

Jack: Yeah, it's. It gets more ridiculous than that. It gets so much more ridiculous than that.

Cristina: How.

Jack: Okay, here is the pyramids of Pizza.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: There is a beautiful line from the tip of all of them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That is the tip of each one is aligning perfectly to a constellation. I believe this is Orion. And so weird. The weirder part is that the coordinates, I believe, for longitude towards north or something like that is 29.979245. Okay, whatever. But the speed of light is 299-79245, right?

Cristina: Stop lying. What?

Jack: So these are just some interesting tidbits about something that lands on the equator. Now, we already had theories about there being ancient civilizations, and usually it aims towards the Mayans or aims towards the Egyptians.

Cristina: So this lining up does like. That makes sense. It's possible. They see the stars. It looks doable. It makes sense that that's possible. Yes, but the coordinates matching up to.

Jack: The speed of light, how would they know? How would they know? How would they. This suggests that they had knowledge that was discovered and or invented thousands of years later.

Cristina: What were they doing with that knowledge? What would that help them with? What, how and why? And what?

Jack: The problem is, if they have this information, that means they have the capacity to acquire this information, which means they were way more advanced than we thought they were.

Cristina: What were they doing with that information, though?

Jack: Interesting. No?

Cristina: Were they space travelers? This is where we're getting to the point, I think.

Jack: Is it? We're talking about highly advanced civilizations, I don't think. I mean, they're probably space travelers too. Come on.

Cristina: This is crazy, but this is crazy.

Jack: I mean, we have. We're not space travelers. When we have the speed of light, we understand the speed of light.

Cristina: We're traveling in space, at least above us.

Jack: Locally. Yeah, locally. And we're. We're probing a little farther, I suppose. So most of this information is totally impossible that they had based on what we understand, which means we.

Cristina: We understand nothing. We don't understand anything.

Jack: Yeah, that's the usual conclusion.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But they should, in theory, possess in order to accomplish these things, knowledge about geometry and knowledge about physics and mathematics in general that was invented or discovered much later that we believe we invented and discovered recently.

Cristina: Yes, we're wrong.

Jack: But we're wrong because they clearly had it, which means they were about, or at least as good as we were. With evidence. They were as developed as we were with evidence. What does that mean? And we can. I don't know why. When we think back, we think back at outdated people. This information is. Again, I'm framing it in a way that's just changing how you're thinking of something you've been told a million times. Everybody knows this information. But when I word it the way I've worried it, it's suddenly like, wait, they were like us? Exactly, but way back then. Not too different. No, they had our exact capacity, or bare minimum, our knowledge, understanding of how the universe works in their hands.

Cristina: That is so weird. That is weird because you think like, yeah, they're.

Jack: They're long ago.

Cristina: They're long ago.

Jack: So we call them, you know, we call them advanced civilizations. But in comparison to old civilizations, we're like, okay, they were. You know, this is a very. We use words like developed. They were well developed. But we don't like. No, no, no, no. They understood. They got it, man.

Cristina: They got the speed of light. How does that make sense?

Jack: That's. Yes, that's high advanced science. They acquired things we're holding up now as prize, proud possessions.

Cristina: We don't have any of their. Whatever they were studying, like books or anything. They're papers. Can we translate anything?

Jack: We have things that survived time. Papers would be swallowed up. So immediately, no books. No, we got things drawn on a wall. We got, you know, rocks carved into things.

Cristina: None of that means anything.

Jack: Yeah, things that withstand long periods of time as opposed to now. This brings up an interesting different idea, which is maybe a lot of the time. I mean, we build statues just to remember things, but statues tend to be like, some of the stronger things that withstand time. Like a flag is gonna dissolve quickly. This is gonna be eaten up. It's gonna become just organic matter for something simple Rock, statues, things like that. Monuments, the things that get left behind. These giant pyramids, all that stuff. No, that survives time. Maybe the point of that is to leave information behind.

Cristina: Yes. Well, for some reason, because of the whole speed of light thing, that reminded me of the thing we sent into space. Like, what if that's what the pyramids are? We're not meant to understand what's in the pyramids. All those symbols, the. What are they called, the symbols that they write on the walls?

Jack: Hieroglyphs.

Cristina: Yes. What if that's for aliens?

Jack: What if that's for aliens?

Cristina: I mean, the ones outside.

Jack: Yeah. Like ones we can't figure out. The ones we couldn't decipher. Fair enough.

Cristina: Like what if they really believe there was life outside, even if there wasn't?

Jack: Like they were doing what we were doing.

Cristina: Yes. Like we throw things in space hoping to find someone.

Jack: They were out exploring. They were sending messages.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Except they got way more clever about it. They designed the pyramids. Maybe the pyramids were a physical manifestation of something letting space know that we're here. Yes, we're here. Look at what we under. This is how well we understand that you're out there. Look at what we did.

Cristina: Yeah. They not only knew science, they believe in aliens.

Jack: They believed in aliens. Not only did they believe in aliens, they were making. Taking active steps to communicate.

Cristina: Mm. Where everything else on this line doing the same thing, though, because this is one great example of it. But what about everything else that's on that line?

Jack: Okay. Everything on this line is one of these weird monuments like Stonehenge or something like that, that they're a clock that somehow aligns with all the. The constellations in a certain order, the ones that calculate an entire year. And it's a single location. Just impossible. Of knowledge that shouldn't have. We don't. One, we don't know how it was built, thus showing advanced construction knowledge. And two, we. It the symbol. Symbology of it so advanced that we are definitely not understanding what the h*** it means, which is probably some form of communication. The ones we don't get is probably because we just haven't discovered that level.

Cristina: Because it's not for us anyway.

Jack: But we're eventually going to get there anyways. It'll make sense. Like right now we can look at the pyramids and be like, ah, Ah, look at that. We can see the pattern. We get it all. That's advanced. Yeah, but if we're just cavemen, we don't get it.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And a bunch of cavemen must have stumbled upon these things and been like, okay, whatever. But we get curious. We start excavating, like, what? Oh, there's something here. Fascinating. As we get through, we discover, oh, wow, There's a pattern. It is aligned perfectly with this constellation. Interesting. That is interesting. So as we advance, so did they as. Oh, first, we didn't even know how they built it. And I was like, how the h*** did they do this? And wow, they were way more advanced than we thought. But they were all this way, all of them.

Cristina: It was all different time periods. That's what's strange.

Jack: All different time periods.

Cristina: Different time periods, different locations.

Jack: Are they doing it? So we're just a little blip of the many times this has come and gone.

Cristina: It makes sense. We're as obsessed with science. Like eventually every civilization gets to that point where they want to know what's out there. And like, how do we say hi I guess is the next step to that?

Jack: Yeah, reaching out, using it. It's so complicated, Right, because they're also recording information. This is just imagine the complex nature of this. They are informing aliens. Because of the size and magnitude and complexity of the structure visible from space, you can see this magnificent thing.

Cristina: But what does the equator have to do with anything?

Jack: Well, this is a really weird thing, right?

Cristina: Yes. Because like, what about all the other civilizations?

Jack: Well, the same thing applies here across the board.

Cristina: Not on this line. I mean like all the other.

Jack: Well, that's what's really weird, right. The minority of them exist off of it all the ones we consider advanced civilizations in any manner, shape or form minus two or three outliers seem to primarily exist along that ancient equator line.

Cristina: Okay, but the ones that are outside of it, do they also seem to be this type of thing of like, hey, space.

Jack: Okay, one, yes, it seems consistent across the board with all the more ancient ones. There seems to be messaging through size and engraving really complex level of information. Again with the pyramids as an example. They're used to record information as much as to create a signal. So there's. They're letting whatever can see it know we have advanced construction, we know advanced science. And it records the information of that constellation as well as places them directly where something like the speed of light. So look, we have this level of information. If you've acquired this much, this is one we haven't gone beyond. Look, with this advanced. That's how they're communicating so much.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: With placement, with size. And the following argument would be that the way the stones are laid themselves, there's also conveying some next level of information that all the monuments follow this logic. As we become more advanced through civilized. Through our own courses in civilization will sort of level up and find the next understanding of what the next rock meant, what the next big stone left over there was. We're gonna be like, ah, we get it. Because we just got there ourselves. We discovered the thing.

Cristina: Yeah, but you're saying also the places outside of this line are doing the same thing.

Jack: The place is outside of this line have two interesting constants that seem to apply to all of them, including everything in Mexico and Brazil, which I say because primarily in Mexico and Brazil it seems that all of the infer it seems are highly advanced. But nothing screaming into the void, whatever was happening over there had everybody fleeing. Like we said before. There was the sudden absence of people from the Mayan temples and the entire Mayan civilization subsequently suddenly. Okay, this happens over and over through a bunch of the ancient Brazilian civilizations as well. Mass evacuations and sudden disappearances of entire civilizations that are just gone. But they were all about as developed as would have to be for the ones that land on the equator or the ancient equator.

Cristina: Is this. No, but these places are on the new equator.

Jack: These places do not land on an equator.

Cristina: Okay. Not. Oh. Not new.

Jack: These places don't land on an equator at all.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I'm sure at some point in time they must have. Everything must land on the equator eventually. It slowly rotates along the entirety of the planet. But the fact that there was an alignment to an exact moment of one is an amazing feat done throughout time. Strange. With civilizations we did not know had the knowledge required to do so.

Cristina: We're trying to speak to aliens, maybe.

Jack: I believe the best example of that, which is why I keep coming back to it, because I find it the most fascinating and seems to show the most information is the pyramids. Pyramids. That's a lot. You're recording information. You're showing information, quite specifically, two large bits of information. Constellations, thus understanding of space and the speed of light. Explaining understanding of physics. You're showing and understanding how the world is round. You're conveying that through showing coordinates in the first place.

Cristina: What's the chance that it's coincidence that the coordinates, the coordination matches up so well with the speed of light?

Jack: That is highly exact.

Cristina: But it's not equal. It's not the same. It's just. It's the same numbers.

Jack: Yes. Okay.

Cristina: It's not, you know, so the tip.

Jack: Of the tallest pyramid lands to the millionth decimal point. That is amazing.

Cristina: That is okay.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: So what were the other places like, though?

Jack: It was just all the monuments we are used to. Okay, is this a bunch of trivial crap that we don't understand? For the most part, a bunch of ancient advanced messaging systems, presumably based on the logic we're following, that I guess ultimately resulted. Now, the. The pattern here is that there anyone that was along this exact line was reaching outward and anybody who wasn't on this line was reaching inward. What's the disparity with what's happening here? Which is also familiar. Again, everybody discusses the Mayan evacuation and the disappearances of the people like them just kind of vanishing from either large famines or something that collapse all of society. Very quickly.

Cristina: That's possible.

Jack: Yeah. Like it's discussed very often. But the. The without a trace part is the. The complex nature there, which is people. Why people suggest there must be mass grave systems underneath, which is why there's no trace. People went. Because they would just continuously bury everybody within these structures that we're not going to destroy. Trying to get to.

Cristina: Okay. Like people were dying.

Jack: Yeah. The people disappeared.

Cristina: Plague.

Jack: They don't know people were dying. People just vanished.

Cristina: But a theory is that they just died.

Jack: Yeah. A theory is that maybe famine or some plague or something pretty dark hit them. And they probably have mass grave systems underneath it. With our advancing technologies, we'll be able to excavate without destroying anything eventually. Truly witness and see. But that's the ongoing theory that that's probably really what happened.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That they're just all down there. Catacombs that stretch on to forever.

Cristina: I just don't understand why these places. The old. The old line and.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Why the new line isn't doing the same.

Jack: Why the people on the line just continued to change and evolve and move on. I do not know. I do not know. It's very, very, very strange that that happens at all. That's. It's haunting to me that this is the case. It's. And again, it's just information that we have casually laying around. Anybody can just look this up and see. But why isn't this like more of a. Interesting pursuit? I guess. How. What?

Cristina: It's so weird because it's on the equator. Like the equator has the least time. Like, isn't their nighttime less than the other. The rest of the world?

Jack: No, the equator is. Wait, their nighttime is less. Yeah, I think the equator gets more light.

Cristina: Yeah. For them to be so obsessed with the. Or maybe that's why they're so obsessed with the night.

Jack: Or I guess it's not necessarily that. The equator. I guess the equator is hot. Right. Because the equator has the most consistent temperature. I believe is the case. Or it's the turning point.

Cristina: Yeah. But I feel like it is the hottest point for us.

Jack: But you gotta. You one. You're spinning the earth a different way.

Cristina: So you think it was different?

Jack: Yeah, it would have to be because the sun is still in the same location relative to where the Earth is. You're just changing how the earth is spinning.

Cristina: So you think they had more time in the night instead.

Jack: It depends how the earth rotates relative to the sun. I gotta see the rotation and where the sun rests relative to Earth. Answer that.

Cristina: Because that would make sense of why. Maybe they're way more into space and stuff. If they had spent way more time or way little time at night, like to become obsessed with that.

Jack: I don't know if they had longer nights.

Cristina: Yeah, if they had longer nights, could.

Jack: Definitely be the case. So first, how did we get to a point where the equator shifted so dramatically? The first theory is that there was a comet of some sort of course that at some point hit the Earth. That is the ongoing. This is how we got from here to a point A to point B. Hit it hard enough to force a little bit of quicker before the pull of the moon settled us again.

Cristina: Okay, that was just a little, you.

Jack: Know, a small enough rock with enough speed, Bloop. Tilts just a tiny little bit. But the moon is more powerful. So the moon's gonna stop it, but the wobble just kind of. You. You moved it enough that a little spin happened before it totally stopped. And now has a new rotation, whatever the case might be. So that 100% alters the rotation, changes it from one set to the other. You turn, changes the amount of degrees required.

Cristina: And there's more than one theory?

Jack: Well, this is the important theory because it lines up with everything. This specific theory falls along with the fact that we can prove there were rainforests in the Arctic and Antarctic. Okay. Because if they were getting consistent light, if the equator is the line that's getting the most heat.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If that's the case, then that wasn't frozen. The poles would be what we look at a map and think of as left as right. And right now.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That would fall more accurately. Those would be frozen over, getting the least amount of sunlight on average. Or unless the sun was located in those positions. I guess that would be just if the sun was located towards the North Pole, but our equator was what it still is right now, the North Pole would be a hellscape. The South Pole would be a frozen shitstorm that nobody could live on. And the equator that exists now would be the most balanced temperature relative if the sun was directly on top of where we consider to be the North Pole right now.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So we can still have an equator that doesn't fall where the sun is. The sun could just be on top of us. The equator is the turning point. So the line you would draw as to where the Earth is turning by so we can put the sun on top. And so now this s***'s still getting blasted, but it never ends.

Cristina: I really thought that both poles, though, were.

Jack: No. Well, right now, both our poles are frozen. I'm trying to visualize where the sun lands. Right. Because both our poles are frozen now, but they were both rainforests before. So however the turn is, it was still facing it's directly opposite. It shifted just enough so that the rotation was sending all of those things to face the sun consistently. Somehow we just ended up in the same situation. That's weird. It's weird that it happened that way. It almost feels designed.

Cristina: Is that a theory?

Jack: No. But like I think I just invented my own. It feels too intentional to be almost polar opposite is too exact coincidences of Earth.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So weirdly enough, the change in rotation, the beginning of rotating periods, the beginning of other rotating periods led me down the rabbit hol of looking into the shifting tides of Earth and how ice ages come and go and how information gets lost as the Earth gets shifted. So some of this knowledge gets obscured and it becomes harder to tell what the original intention for a lot of this stuff was.

Cristina: Yeah, ice ages.

Jack: The comet hits shifts from where we were over millions of years gradually being slowed down. But over. It took millions of years to slow down, but eventually it did slow down. But again over the course of millions of years. But it was tilted already. The change was there. It was already affected. 480 million years ago. It was here. And over many millions of years it slowly slowed and slowed and slowed. And it went again exactly 90 degrees before it stopped. Boom. And now the rotation is the other way. It spun and spun. It spun until 90 degrees and it just. It slowed down more and more and more. And that's where it's finally stopped and settled. And now we have a different equator, probably by comet. But in that amount of time the poles begin to shift as heat begins to shift and everything starts to change and the planet's temperatures start to move around and we get new tropical areas.

Cristina: Is exactly the opposite. Or no.

Jack: Yeah. If you were to be. Not to. Luckily no, it's not an exact difference. But close. It's pretty close. If you were to look at it at a distance and draw the two equators, you'd be like ow. And presumably it hasn't stopped shifting. Maybe it will hit the exact 90 at some point. It's just we got to look at this in a millions of years scope as opposed to our blip 5,000 years reaches it.

Cristina: I wonder if we're going to be starting. We're going to start to see people do weird things on that side or what if there are things on that side. Have we looked? I mean, yeah, I guess we Have. And that's why we see places with stuff that's not on the equator or the old equator, but it's not on the new one either. But maybe one day it will be.

Jack: Maybe. Maybe. So the argument would be, has the Earth already gone through a phase in which every point has been on the equator, or are there many points left? When we think of the 90 degree we're going to hit, was there 80 degree before that? Has it? Are we close to completing a circle? How far from a full circle are we? Yeah, you know, that's the ultimate question. We don't really know how far along that line. So it's possible that we either have more to go because it's gonna keep changing forever, as is the nature of a random spinning sphere. Yeah, like, it's eventually gonna be everywhere. But has it already? And would that explain these other locations? Because there are arguments in that favor. But also, it looks like the equator is essentially a lifeline towards the opposite of a death line. When you think about it, anything that the further away from the equator you are, the more hostile the environment is going to be. That's why right now, the north and South Pole are inhospitable. But when they were on the equator, we had two locations that were inhospitable that weren't on the equator. And that's always going to be the case. Every point on Earth as it continues to spin is eventually going to be an inhospitable shithole that's totally going to be frozen over.

Cristina: Mm. Where was the old north and South Pole?

Jack: Okay, so after looking at it, after.

Cristina: Looking at a globe.

Jack: After looking at a globe, the poles end up in such a way that the. That one of the poles is South Africa and the other one of the poles, it's somewhere in the North Pacific.

Cristina: So those would have been code.

Jack: Those would have been frozen over. In order for a line to go through India, Australia, and Europe and the Earth to be rotating in such a way that the north and South Pole become tropical rainforest areas. In order for that to be the case, it was spinning along that equator. And thus the other two locations got hot because it was spinning in such a way that that was. The equator was still facing the sun. That's the requirement for the equator to be hot. It must be facing the sun. And it looks like the spin changed in such a way that that used to be the case and now is not. So South Africa and the North Pacific are the two extreme poles of the old equator.

Cristina: There's nothing in this Pacific, is there?

Jack: Is this water inside the North Pacific? Nothing particularly astounding, just frozen back. But that does. So what have we covered so far? We know that a lot of these structures are informative. We know that the ones that don't land on the line are the least informative and tend to quickly dissolve. Like they were recording, not screaming. The ones along the line were screaming as much as they were recording, although most of it seemed like it was screaming. But also, we don't understand and we're just assuming they're trying to tell us something. Maybe they are. Maybe it's both. Maybe all of them. Both, but not along the equator disappear, usually. Famine, starvation, some theory of a total collapse on the equator. Survive, thrive, become highly advanced, and then become the people that today we know in the countries that moved on to be the places that today we know. So weird pattern that only exists for that moment's equator again. The equator has shifted and been everywhere at all times. Why are they still thriving when the equator is no longer gracing them? Those kinds of weird things are the ones we gotta consider when we're looking at this kind of stuff.

Cristina: But why is equator important?

Jack: I don't know. They just. The ones that survived, the ones that were highly advanced. And the majority of these structures, all of which are built in, complicated. The ones we could, like, tell you how it was built, not on the equator. The ones that were on there, we have no idea how the h*** they were put together. Something about that line was a line of information outward and inward collectively. Now, the changing of the tides, the changing of the currents that happened with the shift of the equator led to the possibility that the events of the Great Flood is the biblical Great Flood, are what was really happening. They're describing the true nature of what happened as the polar ice caps melted and the sea levels rose dramatically, drowning essentially everything as a redistribution of water.

Cristina: Are you even alive though, then?

Jack: Well, that's what's weird about this, right? So the change of the equator was placed somewhere where the people who built along that line, that was millions of years in the past, from their time, all thrived. There's some reason that they placed their civilization or their structures that to this day have withstood the tests of impossible amounts of time where other crap has completely disappeared. And they're all along the same line. Something about this has protected something about this. The conditions are just right, just something. Something allows this to be the case, that these are the thriving, successful things while everything else collapse and falls apart. And we have traces that are just hard to understand in bits and pieces, trying to piece a message together. While here we have entire messages that we just don't understand because they're too complicated.

Cristina: It's so weird because they place their things, or at least the Egypt one. I don't know if all of them. They place it there because of the stars. It had nothing to do with the equator. It just happens that they all line up on the equator. But if they're all looking at the stars, what. What weird connection is happening?

Jack: Interesting, no?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The Egyptians have the most complicated of all the structures. Again, we have clocks, we have astrologic alignments of the constellations. We have tracking day cycles. We have explanations of different physical, you know, problems in physics. Physics. Solutions, equations, many different things. Nobody is keeping up with the complicated nature of what was accomplished with the pyramids. And to then lay on top. That it's possible that the bricks were laid out in such a way that they themselves contain information goes back to the people of the village in. I think it was. It must have been a. Either a Mexican or a Brazilian civilization that keeps track of their information in knots and inches.

Cristina: That's very strange.

Jack: Yes. But it. It makes me think of that when somebody says the bricks are laid in such a way that they have information we're trying to decode, I'm like, well, yeah, I guess I get it because I have a reference point.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Of like these people also did like a physical weird other way that isn't writing.

Cristina: Yeah. It made something outside of what we consider normal.

Jack: Yeah. They went a whole other route with it. And that these pyramids, again, position both relative to constellations and the alignment of stars and relative to specific. Like, how do you accomplish that? That's a pretty complicated one. And then you're still at the equator at the time that you're doing it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They were aligning. Yeah, they were aligning a couple of things.

Cristina: Did they have unicorns? I still wonder how you got to from unicorns. This I have any idea how the.

Jack: H*** I got from one point to the other.

Cristina: Did you talk about unicorns?

Jack: Maybe. But the theory and the story as pieced together would go that 150,000 years ago the normal tides were taking place.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: Okay, so 480 million years ago, we were at the end of the old equator.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that from that point forward, we were moving towards the new equator. Right towards the end of that period, about 150,000 years ago, the Earth still had its north. Because again, we're talking millions of years in scope The Earth in a million years, barely moved. Things barely changed. But still the Earth has its normal rhythms that it goes through. Tides come in and out. Seasons change, all the things that happen. So every couple of hundred thousand years, the Earth tides shift, water recede. This built into the the current ice caps. Then later they melt down, fill the oceans, and the tides come back in and like infinite cycles of crap. So as we're getting towards the end, this is a weird moment where two things are happening simultaneously. We have the normal tides coming to an end, and we're reaching the end of our new equator, getting to a point where it's stabilizing as the moon's gravity is forcing us to stop. So we get where we're going about 150,000 years ago, where we're entering the end of the receding water. I guess the beginning of the water starts receding for the new tide era, and we're reaching the point where things are about to stop. So there's less water than there has ever been to the point that land mass is about the size of Great Britain. Completely rose from the water. That's how far the water pulled back. It just released land masses that size. But 150,000 years is a long freaking time. People spread like roaches on these lands.

Cristina: There aren't lands anymore.

Jack: Well, they're not lands anymore. They got swallowed back about 12,000 years ago.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But in that time, people spread out and went all over the place.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Right. This. This began. This process began 150,000 years ago. That's where the water begins to recede. People start to notice. They start to come into these lands and settle as the water starts to go away. We're talking thousands of years pass as the water keeps going back and, oh, yeah, water keeps going, you know, build our houses and whatever the narrative, how I think the events went by.

Cristina: And is this gonna be explanation of Atlantis or something?

Jack: Literally, yes.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: Literally, yes. Because apparently there was enough information to corroborate the existence of Atlantis for quite a while. It's just we don't have the actual proof of the place. But everything tells us there must be, in fact, an Atlantis factually, without a question. It must. Outside of fiction. It must. Outside of fiction, it's probably there, and they were probably advanced. That's probably a real place. Why everything lines up. They seem to have been the most advanced out of all these civilizations. And it landed precisely in the Persian Gulf that happens to be on the line. And all the underwater monuments we have found for the oversized civilization that we don't really have any are all in the Persian Gulf. All of that was in there. So they had the clocks, they had the. They had space mapped out in the constellations. They had designs for batteries on the pyramids that they had and inscribed on. There's some stone walkways that go in their direction that they had pillars of. I'm sure you've seen the photos of them. It's like they just go into the water. Yeah, it's like pillars that just walk into the water.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And they have. That wasn't water before.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Dry land.

Cristina: There's nothing there now.

Jack: There's nothing there now because as the. What you got to understand, the Persian Gulf is also in the cross section of four rivers.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The water didn't rise around you. Rivers race towards you.

Cristina: Okay. But there's no nothing in there now. There's not people.

Jack: The amount of pressure that the water slammed into that place with, why did.

Cristina: You slam into it?

Jack: Because it was rivers.

Cristina: Yeah. But this slowly happened. If it slowly became land, it slowly became water.

Jack: Well, the problem is that we're. You're just thinking of the equator. We're also counting the fact that the waters are receding and that we're entering a period of. So 150,000 years ago. The water pulled back, the people settled. These events that are then going to collapse the society happen about 70,000 years ago when we're still reaching the very end. But now we've totally swapped poles. Things in the previous poles are so hot that they're just falling into the water in giant chunks. There's that hot. At the same time. The water is at halfway now it's coming back anyways. So the water starts to come back in as it naturally leaves and then comes back in at the. So usually they go and become the polar ice caps. The polar ice caps collapse over time, fall back into the water. This is how it naturally happens over millions of thousands of years. But the course of the equator changing happened over millions of years and was resulting in the same thing the previous. But it's collapsing the previous polar caps completely in order to make new ones at the same moment that those were already gonna break down a little to follow its normal. So you got twice the force of these polar ice caps completely collapsing, falling apart and melting into nothingness. Hitting the water all in one shot. This then leads to the biblical flood that we find out about when that happens. About 12,000 years ago now, again, the waves start coming back. The pressure, the current, the tide returns about 70,000 years ago. But it starts slowly and these things start to line up. And the thousands of years start to line up with the millions of years where they hit the one moment where on both South Africa and the North Pacific, these previously frozen points are so gone. And they're just collapsing and falling in huge chunks into the water Back to back to back to back to back. There's just pure sunlight hitting them all the time now. That's just falling apart, hitting the water. Water levels rising like crazy. But anything not touching any of the coasts is safe to some degree because water will rise slowly around you. You can run away from that if you are along the old equator. So you're alive, you're safe. You're dodging all of the giant waves from all the colossal ice that's falling, except the people in the Gulf. Now, everybody who is not in Anybody who is in the old equator survived because there's nothing but land stopping them. There's land and stop and land and stop and land. So the water hits and falls and hits and falls. Okay, it's collapsing around them. They're safe. It becomes problematic specifically for the Persian Gulf, where you are connected to the oceans, Even if you yourself are very, very, very far from them. And as the water over there in west h*** starts rushing down that river from one side, and over here, north h*** starts rushing down your way, and one from the south and the one from the east are all rushing. Everybody around you is fine. But you're where there wasn't even water. There's just crevices from the previous time that there was nothing but water there. And you set your home there, you set your civilization there. You developed into the most advanced civilization of that time. And you were the closest to the very center of that equator. What a weird coincidence. The closer you were, the more advanced you were and also the safer you were. Except you the closest to touch it.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Except you the closest to touch that line. Everybody else stationed themselves around it. You who falls on the line, gone. You're in a place where all of the worst is gonna hit you. No trace of your existence. Rivers with the pressure of the oceans raced at you and then gone. And there's nothing left. And you are just a story. But yeah, there was probably, definitely something there. And it was probably really advanced and probably more advanced than the most advanced that we're looking at, which seems to be bare minimum about as Vance as we are. And we still wouldn't be able to do what they accomplished. So they were probably more Advanced that we are, which are the Egyptians.

Cristina: But there's no proof.

Jack: Nope. Yet there's a bunch of just.

Cristina: I mean there's proof that there was civilization.

Jack: Civilization. We can't prove how advanced they were.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Based on all the other things, how it lines up, you would suggest that. Yeah, I guess in theory. Then it's the only ones who didn't make it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The ones who touch the line don't make it. The ones surrounding the line do really phenomenally well. And the ones furthest from the line go away with a whimper. What does that mean relative to that line? What's happening with that old equator? Why were.

Cristina: Why does being there it seems really random?

Jack: The problem is if it's really random, then the entire assortment of civilizations that built everything along that line at totally random moments all just happen to do the most complex known to man thing at the same spot.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know. It doesn't make sense.

Jack: It breaks logic to some degree because we're not sure what it is we're even discussing at this point. How, why. What's the ultimate goal? What information are you trying to convey? What information are you trying to record?

Cristina: Where did they get that information?

Jack: Where they get the information? Yeah. So as the water comes up, people flee, people spread out. The idea is that the civilizations that settled along the line, the old equator, Mm. If it was by total random chance, did so because it was also simultaneously the safest place. And they were. Who would survive the great flood that overtook the earth. And by being on that old equator, it's not that the earth was spinning in that axis, but rather that that old equator just happens to be along a line that's.

Cristina: Were they around the time the flooding was even happening?

Jack: Yes, they are. The civilizations that immediately follow the flood, Ancient Egypt, Jerusalem, all the Bible people, all of that follows the great flood. Which kind of falls perfectly with where history tells us it would be that we got flooded. That, that does line up clean. The fact that there was an actual flood, we can calculate. And that happened roughly around the time that it happened biblically. And then we have these advanced civilizations station themselves. Then something within that thousand year period happens where these people get. Or I guess the problem is they had the knowledge, but they lost all the everything else. So they had to recreate along where they are. We're gonna. We're gonna fall apart at some point because we've lost what we were because of this crazy flood that hit us. So they made settlements that then evolved into Egypt. Settlements that then evolved into Whatever the h*** made the Machu Picchu thing, You know, all these things along the equator, they made the settlements that happened and became advanced with what they had from the previous people that they were. And they left the signals or messages or whatever. Probably not even reaching out to space, but more just like this is what we were capable of before. Before the flood. This is a. This is a capacity of our people. These monuments are how great we really are capable of being.

Cristina: But they did that after the flood.

Jack: After the. Well, all of these civilizations come after the flood.

Cristina: Okay. Well, does that one place that is. Might have been flooded have to do with anything?

Jack: What place that might have been flooded?

Cristina: The one in the middle of the line.

Jack: That would have been Atlantis. That would have been the most advanced of them all. But something about it being dead on the line prevented it from being safe like all the others. As opposed to all the things that are surrounding that line. As opposed to all the things that are surrounding. Anyways, I thought that that was kind of crazy that we have this old equator that has a bunch of monuments and old ancient sculptures and fascinating things that we can't unravel or understand by any means.

Cristina: Very interesting.

Jack: And they all land on the line that they could not have had information for unless they were significantly more advanced than we thought. Probably as advanced as we are now.

Cristina: It's a crazy thought to you, but it could be.

Jack: It's probably. It's. It has to be for them to have that knowledge. We just have to stop being egotistical and assume that they were at least. At least as good as we are.

Cristina: Whoa. Yeah.

Jack: Because have we done that? We have not aligned.

Cristina: We threw stuff at space.

Jack: Yeah, I'm sure they did that too. But what's interesting enough is that we haven't done that, but I'm sure we could. It's probably really easy for us to build three buildings following Orion or something like that, you know, like, it's probably really, really ridiculously easy.

Cristina: Who says we haven't?

Jack: There are clever things. I love some of the buildings in New York that are angled in such ways so they look like different structures. That's cool.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I guess if an alien were to like, travel and they'd be like, wow, these people are serious, they'd see that and still be pretty impressed. I guess art does that in general, right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Science and art. That's it. The conveyance of intellect, anyways. Yes. I thought that was interesting. There was way more, but it's.

Cristina: It's too much.

Jack: It's just too it's too much to be coincidence. An excessive amount. A ridiculously excessive amount to be coincidence.

Cristina: But there's no proof of anything.

Jack: There's no proof of any. I mean they all do fall on that line. And that line is the problem is it's all provable. What does it mean really? That's. That's.

Cristina: Yes. What does it mean?

Jack: A bunch of coincidences. But okay. So they were probably really advanced. Okay.

Cristina: And what? Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: Okay. This is fascinating. But okay.

Cristina: Great one. They will find their rocket.

Jack: Yeah. I just love that it does reframe how we think of them though. To have proof that they were at least as developed as we are. It's like. Oh, I pictured what they pretend when they show us in movies. I guess.

Cristina: Definitely wrong.

Jack: Definitely wrong. You know they were all doing the. The. The Egyptian dance when they walked and they only drew on walls because they didn writing yet or something. And it's like nah bro, they know the speed of light. Do you?

Cristina: No.

Jack: Like what?

Cristina: That's so crazy. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. But it is what it is. Anyways. Anyways. Just thought that was interesting and very weird. So I hope you enjoyed that information that I stumbled upon.

Cristina: Maybe the audience. I did.

Jack: But yeah, maybe I'll do the rest of it eventually. It's just so much. I just can't. Kept falling down this rabbit hole. I don't know how I landed there. But it was fascinating. And I don't know what the point of it is. There's probably a point to it. It just kept going. So there's way more to look into do it. But it literal just portals into websites of documents completely just documenting anything and everything surrounding all of the details surrounding all of the civilizations and all of the monuments and all the stuff. It's like real complicated. Deep dive.

Cristina: That's interesting.

Jack: It is. It looks like thousands of pages worth of work though. Pretty cool. But yeah. So I hope you enjoyed that. I hope everybody, the audience, you and you guys should look into it. Really weird.

Cristina: Really weird. And we have other weird episodes. There are many space related.

Jack: Probably space. There's also ancient civilizations. Many ancient civilization episodes.

Cristina: Space episodes.

Jack: Many space episodes.

Cristina: Aliens.

Jack: That was actually one of the theories for the pyramids I really got. I really fell into those pyramids. I was so obsessed with the pyramids. It's so complicated. The suggestions would be they either possessed knowledge themselves that was beyond our current understanding of who they were or they saw something that was beyond us both fear and our understanding of what was possible. And they recorded that without knowing what it meant. Maybe they saw the equations and were sophisticated enough to break it apart and put it down in something like the pyramids without knowing what they were doing. Maybe that was their attempt at figuring it out. Make it bigger so I can read. Oh, not big enough. Make it bigger and see what we get. Just people trying to figure things out.

Cristina: Yeah, that could be it.

Jack: Anyways, I hope you guys enjoyed that. Let me know. Go to the socials, inform us. Go to Twitter, Instagram, tick tock, just convopod.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And tell us about. Not tell us about. I guess tell your homies about the show. We're of mouth is overpowered. Talk to them, inform them. Be like, bro, you like weird things. Here, check this out.

Cristina: If they're not weird, you can still check us out.

Jack: Check us out.

Cristina: Anyway, this has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening by. I don't know what else shows everyone loves. We. What was that movie that everyone was crazy about too, because of the memes? The bird box.

Jack: The bird box. Yeah, we. We got to that after the memes.

Cristina: Oh, we did. Oh, crap. We're never.

Jack: Did we watch it before the memes?

Cristina: I think at the same time, I. I'm not sure though. We might have been late too.

Jack: No, I think actually I saw the trailers to it and then you're like.

Cristina: We'Re gonna watch this. We watched it. But there's not many times we watch things when everyone else is watching it.

Jack: Well, actually I think we watched that the day it came out. So we were like, there's no hype around it.

Cristina: It had to be like the day after because I remember, like everyone posting something about it. Oh, but it could have been after, like right after.

Jack: So either that or people were talking about it. And like, I didn't. Like, maybe they were talking a lot about the movie, but they. They weren't discussing any part of it.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And they were. And I was like, f***, everybody's talking about this. We gotta watch. We gotta go in blind. Did I say that about that movie?

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: You gotta go in blind and find out what the big deal is about. No judgment. This turned out to be great.

Cristina: It did. I know people that didn't like that movie. Ah, but I liked it. It was good.

Jack: It was pretty good. Pretty good movie.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and Published by Great Thoughts.in Fox, art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

January 28, 2023

Rambling 211: Unicorns

January 28, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Are unicorns real? Where do they come from? Can they help us figure out the Santa Clause Problem? The duo unpack Unicorns, their origins, what the truth about them might be and whether or not it would be useful to find one in order to use it to catch santa.

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Topics Discussed:

Unicorns
Indus Valley Civilization
Bestiaries
Powers
Greek Civilization
Middle Ages Europe
The Evidence
Magic Horn
Unicorn Powder Merchant
Adrenochrome

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast