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Rambling 296: Godzilla: The True Story Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised. Jack: Going live in 5, 4. Cristina: What does live mean? Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack. Cristina: And I'm your host, Cristina. Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today, I thought it would be really cool if we looked at something that happened recently and unpacked how the world has reacted in response to these things that have occurred to Godzilla. Godzilla. I mean, I guess I wonder how people would react to Godzilla. I know there would be people who would be like, wow, it was based on truth. Instantly, a bunch of conspiracy theorists are gonna say, we were right all along. And the elites always put the truth in front of you because they have to tell you for whatever deal they made with something. Cristina: If it's part of conspiracy, then did they. Did the government, the world government, or whatever make Godzilla interesting? Jack: Or Godzilla could be a demon, a deity of some sort. God. God is in the name. Somebody's gonna put that connection together. Cristina: He's a God that was hidden, but someone knew about him. So did the government hide him until he broke loose or until the government was like, you know, the world government was like, okay, these people are out of control. We gotta let this guy loose. Jack: You think? Okay, okay, let's go back. You think the government made Godzilla? Cristina: No, I'm not saying they made him, but if they kept him a secret, then they probably have him locked up. Jack: Yes. Yes. Okay, fair enough. Fair enough. So the premise here is ultimately right. We're gonna fix this. This is gonna make a lot of sense. The premise here is two things. Regardless of how Godzilla is real and two, actually, three concepts that need to work here. Godzilla is real. And we're gonna prove this somehow. Cristina: Sure. Jack: And two, the government somehow knew. Somehow, somehow. Cristina: Whether they kept it or they just knew where he was or something. Jack: And three, that's because we only know about Godzilla to begin with. Because the government always has to tell us whatever they're doing, even if in secrecy. So they have to put it in front of us somehow. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Because the elites have to show us they made a deal with something. As we know is whatever theory. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And they have to show you. They got to tell you what they're doing, so they'll do it in cryptic ways so you don't know, but you know, or whatever. Cristina: I don't get it. I think it's so you can be used to it, so that when it happens, you're not as scared. Except the point of showing it is to scare you. Like, I don't. I don't know. So, like, they show it to you so that you. When it does happen, you're not too freaked out about it. Because they don't want you to kill yourself. Because at the end of the day, they still need you alive. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: For whatever their evil plan is. They just need you to know that it was possible. And then when it's possible when it's there, then. Jack: But I don't know why they would want you to know about Godzilla. Cristina: Why would they? They want us to know about everything. Aliens? Jack: Yeah. That's why. I think it's not that they're trying to descend. I think those people are wrong. If. If our three things are to be true, then they don't want us to know about Godzilla because they're unleashing Godzilla to kill us. Cristina: No. Jack: To do what? Why? Why would. Okay, let's. Let's work on one of these problems at a time. Cristina: Okay? Jack: Why are they. Cristina: Who. Jack: Somehow the theory that you're going with is they're trapping Godzilla. Godzilla? Maybe they could have made Godzilla, but Godzilla could have existed beforehand. Cristina: Yes. Jack: So it could happen either way. Maybe it was an accident. It could be that the story they told us about Godzilla was accurate. Cristina: It's just a natural thing that happened out from radiation hitting a lizard or something. From their bombs. Jack: Is that the initial story? Cristina: Something like that. Like they. We bombed Japan and then Godzilla was made. No. Jack: Okay, okay, okay, hold on. Let's. Let's f******. Without looking it up first, let's. Let's make our assumption. Okay, so you think war. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And nuclear waste. 00:05:00 Cristina: Yes. And then lizard and nuclear waste equals Godzilla. Jack: Okay, okay. I think cautionary tale. Power plant or chemical waste plant or something. Cristina: Yeah. And a lizard. Jack: Yeah. Wait, but you're saying war? Cristina: Well, it could be either or. Jack: Okay, you're just saying chemical. Cristina: Chemicals. A lizard, Godzilla. Jack: Chemicals. A lizard Godzilla. I agree. I think. I think it's a cautionary term. Cristina: Chemicals. I think it's bit a lizard and made Godzilla. Jack: Chemicals. Bit a lizard. Cristina: It's like Spider Man. Jack: Okay, fair enough. Kind of like the Ninja Turtles. Cristina: Yes. Jack: I mean, to be fair, that story. Cristina: The Ninja Turtles of whatever that story. Jack: Is about four N4 turtles that got bit by a radioactive rat, Right? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: And didn't he find them already mutated and turned into. No, they were just turtles. Cristina: Turtles. And you're saying he made them? The rat, the rat made them? Is he the villain? I don't think so. I think he found Them? No, the bad guy probably made them by accident. Doing weird experiment things. Jack: I bet. I bet it's some crap like that. Cristina: Experiments or an accident. Jack: No, I think. Yeah, it would probably have been like. And then he was trying the. His quest in life was to stop what he. The problem he created. So he spent his whole life trying to fix the issue of four mutant rats. I mean, turtles and a. I don't know. Maybe he made the rat too. They knew each other or something. Wasn't Master Splinter his master? Cristina: And he's just a dude. It's just a regular human dude against some wild animals. Jack: Any train. Cristina: And he's bad. Jack: Well, I don't know. I think I could be wrong. I don't know why. This is the memory, and I'm not gonna look it up. We're never gonna find out, okay? Because I've never seen the Ninja Turtles. I've read so little about the Ninja Turtles. I think, like, I literally don't even know how they became. Cristina: Like. Jack: I'm assuming it's waste if my memory says waste to some degree. Right? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: I think the rat knew martial arts because the guy taught it. But as you have brought up the question, did this guy teach a normal rat martial arts and that rat then went off into the world and became a mutant freak? Or did this guy make or find a mutant rat? Cristina: I can't believe he actually. No, I don't think he has to do anything with them. That can't be part of the story. It doesn't make sense. Jack: Then how the h*** did. He's a good guy. It doesn't matter what the h*** we're looking at. This guy is probably trying to just stop these weird animal freaks. Does he have targets? Does he harm people? Cristina: I think he's a criminal. Jack: Oh, he's a criminal. Cristina: I'm pretty sure he's doing crime. Jack: Are they superheroes? Cristina: I think so. Because I feel like the girl that's involved is also, like, a journalist or something. Jack: Holy s***. Are they Spider Man? Cristina: Yes. They're just like Superman. Jack: Are they super strong? Don't they have to, like, know martial arts? They gotta combat these guys one to one. They're not like one shotting everybody. Cristina: But they're. It's hard to hurt them. They're turtles, I guess. They have the highest defense. They might not be the fastest or strongest, but they're defense man. Jack: In a world where other creatures also mutated in a similar fashion. If we said they all approximated to about the same size, why would that happen? I don't Know even why the turtles began with. Okay, the least defensive thing Would probably be a standing turtle. Cristina: Well, maybe they can do stuff with their shells. I don't know. Jack: How could they see you if the only way for that defense to be high up, and you'd still have six points that you can be poked or stabbed or killed through? Yeah, you're just upping your defense. It's not perfect. Cristina: You think it. They're less defensive, though? Jack: I don't think they're less offensive. I think they're just lame. Cristina: They are pretty lame. Yeah. Jack: Yeah, yeah. In fact, we would have to increase the size of these turtles to make everybody the size of the biggest already existing. So the elephant is the only creature that wouldn't increase in size. All the other creatures would. 00:10:00 Jack: Except giraffe. We'll see the elephant, the giraffe. That's where we cap off. They don't change. Everything below them must increase in size to be at least the height of the elephant. If the turtles went up. Cristina: Yes, because they're like godzilla, who was a little lizard. Because it was smaller than them. Probably. Jack: Yes. But their soft spot is going to be larger. Yes. Cristina: Their soft spot. Jack: Yeah. The flat, the six points where the head goes in, where the two front and back legs going, and where the tail goes in, which is actually not different holes. Usually you have two large slits which are where their arms, the top arm, the top legs, and their head are. And then where their tail and back and hind legs are. Those are the two exits. So those two soft spots, as the turtle gets larger Would then be more vulnerable and be a larger target for the opponents. And if they're hiding, to remove their head, arms, and legs. Cristina: I don't know why they pick turtles. I don't know. It makes no sense. Jack: Yeah. They couldn't see you. Cristina: I thought they picked something cooler. Jack: They couldn't see you. Cristina: Turtles was cool. And then they gave them the attitude of spider man. I'm imagining that they came out around the same time on spider man because they have that boyish attitude that spider man has. But there's what, four or five of them? Jack: Say that again. Cristina: That they have the same attitude that spider man has. Jack: Yeah, they're broad out and, like making jokes. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Except the angry red one. Cristina: Huh? Jack: He doesn't make jokes. Right. He's serious. Cristina: I don't know. There's an angry ninja turtle. Jack: I thought there was an angry red one. Cristina: I don't. I don't know. Jack: I know. Hold on. Let me see. Cristina: I don't even know if there's four or five of them. I don't even know the number of turtles. Jack: I think there's four turtles and a girl turtle. Four dude turtles. Cristina: Girl turtle. Jack: There's a dudette turtle. Cristina: There's not a dudette turtle. There's a girl, but she's not a turtle. Jack: No, there's a girl. Cristina: There's not a girl turtle. Jack: I promise you there's a girl. Cristina: She must have came out way later because the original turtles are. No. Are just boy turtles. Jack: No. I mean, yeah, sure, but there's a girl turtle. No, there is a hundred percent a girl turtle. Cristina: When did they introduce a girl turtle? It makes no sense. Jack: I think pretty early. Cristina: Are you positive? Jack: I guarantee you there is a girl. Cristina: But she's not a turtle. She's a human. Jack: There's a female ninja turtle. I swear to God. No. Cristina: What does that mean? Jack: She got turtle b****. Cristina: That's exactly what I was picturing. But no, there's not ninja turtle. No. Jack: In turn, she's blue. Girl turtle. Cristina: But that's just a made up turtle. Jack: She's blue and light. She's light. Cristina: She's not one of them. They just turned one of their turtles into a female turtle. Jack: No, they got blue. They got b****. Cristina: No, look, there's a. That's him. Jack: No, no. Cristina: Yes, there is that guy. They just changed his sex, but he still. No, there's no female ninja turtle. Jack: What is her name? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: There you go. Cristina: Ew. Jack: Yeah, there's just a chick that's lighter blue. Cristina: When did she. But she's not part of the original Ninja turtles. Jack: You probably not. I don't. Sure you could tell. I'll go with that. I have no idea. Cristina: I just know they don't look like teens anymore. I don't know what they're supposed to be. Now you see that girl? She's the girl. And she's just a human in the yellow suit. Jack: That's the reporter. Cristina: Yeah, I think something like that. Jack: There's just an extra turtle here who isn't even a chick. Cristina: I don't know what's happening. Jack: Yeah, but you get the point. Cristina: No, I don't. What was the point? That they. Jack: There's a female turtle. Cristina: The turtles. Originally there's like four turtles, now there's. Jack: Five and there's a chick. And I think it's been like that since like the second iteration. Cristina: No, he's like. Even the newest projects, you don't see the girl turtle. Jack: Oh, fair enough. Maybe they just don't like. Maybe sexism is alive. Cristina: Maybe. Jack: Okay, There are three scenarios here that are depicted in films that we can use to try to understand Godzilla right now. Cristina: Okay. Jack: One, nuclear testing. You were right. My specifics on it being a power plant was wrong. 00:15:00 Jack: But it wasn't war, it was for war. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It was just test site, probably some random a** island in the middle of nowhere, but had wildlife. Biology suggests in other films that it was a prehistoric kind of dinosaur. Cristina: I don't understand. Jack: So upon the discovery of this dinosaur that was somehow living underwater, is it. Cristina: Like that movie where they found King Kong in the center of the world? Jack: Kind of, yeah. Cristina: Like she's just sleeping in the center of the world and somehow she pops out here. Or he. She. I don't know what Godzilla is. Jack: Well, she. I think she's neither. Cristina: Okay, Well, I think she's like a. Jack: Frog could just, you know, asexually reproduce. Cristina: But Godzilla was down there. Jack: Yeah. Or just sleeping at the bottom of the ocean or something like Nessie. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And so, yeah, that's the other idea. Cristina: And there's a third one. Jack: The third one is essentially a hybrid logic where there was this maybe unknown reptile that was exposed to some chemical waste and that. So it's sort of both things. It had a unique chemistry that then allowed it to become. Cristina: I'm not sure what you tried to say. Jack: There are other lizards and other things in the same water with the same lizard that then became Godzilla. Godzilla was either amongst the species that it was the last of, or it had wandered off into a different eg area and reached the radiation. And its unique DNA had its reaction to the exposure to be turning into this large thing and nothing else did. Because the logic would be why would radiation turn this one lizard huge and not all the others, which is legit? Cristina: I don't know. Because like, if he's real, then what stops all the other things that they are showing us to be real? Jack: Legit. So assuming that Godzilla is a self contained situation, then we can write off the nuclear test site is wrong. And it's probably some kind of creature that has existed for a long time. Meaning the government found it. Cristina: Okay. Jack: They didn't make it. They saw this thing. Who knows how long it's been hidden or caught. But the government has it. We don't know when or why. We just know that they have it. Cristina: Okay, solved. Jack: They caught some sort of ancient creature. Cristina: That's what they do. Jack: Yes. Okay, now how do they know its capabilities? Cristina: They gotta experiment on it like they do. Jack: But how? Where? I guess we, no matter what, we can make a Space large enough. If we have enough funds, it doesn't matter. Cristina: Yeah, maybe it's where we say the aliens are. What's that spot? Area 52. Area? Jack: Yeah, giant location where it could fire whatever beam into nowhere. Cristina: They're experimenting on it. That's how they make their flying ships. They're not using alien technology. They're using an alien like creature. I guess. Jack: Fair enough. And its energy beam is what taught us about lasers and s***. Cristina: Yep, yep, yep. Jack: Interesting. Okay, so then now the question is, why would they release it? To do what? Cristina: To get us not to not. It's confusing because it has to do with Jesus coming back to life and the rapture. But it's like the government is against Jesus. So I don't know. I try to understand these conspiracies, but it's always something like this. Jack: Okay, well, assuming the whole Jesus thing is wrong and the rapture isn't gonna happen, grounding this in the re. In being as real as possible, what are some reasons the government might release Godzilla? Like, what's a real concern that they would be like, oh, get the people in check. I mean, maybe think about it. Think about it. We got conspiracy project 100% to fight the aliens. No, if some government. That's probably why they show us this movie specifically. Right. It's like, oh, we found this creature is one movie. But hey, he helps us from time to time. Cristina: Yeah, Godzilla sometimes not that bad. Jack: I bet they've always been working on mind control technology in order to figure it out for Godzilla. Maybe. Maybe it's not a creature they can control. So they maintain it tied and sedated because it's like, dude, this dinosaur 00:20:00 Jack: is bigger than most of our mega structures. Cristina: Yes. Like, why are they gonna. It's not to attack us. Like, they don't need a giant lizard, dude. Jack: Also, the size depiction of Godzilla tells us that maybe Godzilla has been around and we've seen it throughout time. Because think about the different scales. Sometimes it's just the right size to fight King Kong, and King Kong is so small, it had to climb to the top of the Empire State Building. Cristina: Yeah, he's not that. Jack: He's not that big. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Other times, Godzilla is so tremendously f****** large that it is the height of the Empire State Building. Cristina: So what are we. What are we saying? It's actual sizes? Then I think maybe the child, if there's children version is the size of King Kong. Jack: And really the adult is what we're holding back. That's the. When we're talking about, we let Some creature out to protect Earth. That's what we're talking about. We're talking about that really big one we're hoping the guy we can control at some point. Because we're going to need it for when the big s*** comes to. When the meteor is almost here. Shoot a beam into the sky. Cristina: Could be okay to stop the, you. Jack: Know, aliens are coming. Start attacking. Fire all you've got. Cristina: You don't think it's like a government thing? Like, they know the other. Every country has their own Godzilla thing. And they're like, okay, if someone releases their Godzilla, then you got the. You got to press the button to release our Godzilla. Kind of like the nuclear crisis, except with monsters. Jack: Then. Then America doesn't have Godzilla. Cristina: Why not? Jack: Because Godzilla's Japanese, Right? Cristina: I don't know. Because I think it comes from us doing the experiment with radiation. Them seeing what we're doing. That created the fear. Jack: But they caught the creature. It's their creature. It was over there. Cristina: So. Or maybe we're attacking them with it. Jack: I have a theory that works with a lot of the world. Godzilla is Japanese, and we have our own creature. Theirs was our fault. Cristina: Okay? Jack: Ours was our intention. Cristina: Oh, what is ours? Jack: I don't know. What creature do we talk about in any manner, shape or form that makes absolute sense as an equivalent to Godzilla? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: Was King Kong our creation? Cristina: I think so. Jack: We have a giant ape somewhere. Cristina: Somewhere does not really compare to Godzilla. Jack: But no, we went to Jurassic Park. We went to. Yes, we went. Yes, we went to Brazil and found King Kong. Right. Cristina: I don't know. Jack: We went to some random jungle out in a different country. It wasn't over here. No, we didn't capture King Kong and bring him over here. We went back to King Kong. Cristina: I know. Jack: We did capture King Kong at some point. That's how he got to the Empire State Building. Cristina: Yes, we captured him from the island he was at. Jack: Yes. But that's the story of how that went wrong. Okay, so is Jurassic Park. Yes, but I think you're right. I think we were like, we can do bigger and better, and we could do it with nothing but money. Cristina: Yeah. So we made not just one many. Jack: We got all of them. We got hella creatures bigger and badder than all your creatures. Cristina: I don't know if any of them compare to Godzilla. Yeah. If you look at the biggest dinosaur and put it next to Godzilla, is it competing? But even if it was competing in size, like, it doesn't have the ability to. Jack: Yes, Godzilla. Some other That's. Cristina: Even if Godzilla was smaller in size, does it matter if it shoots out beams? Jack: Yeah, it's like a pure energy. Like it'll cut, it'll. Cristina: It's. Jack: It's a lightsaber. Cristina: Yes. Like it doesn't matter what we have. No matter how large it is, there's no winning. Jack: I know. You know, like, I don't think it's gonna be. Man, that. That would be nuts. Cristina: You're looking up. Let me see, let me see. Jack: The largest dinosaur was about 85ft long and potentially as tall as a three story building at most. Cristina: And what is Godzilla size? Jack: Yeah. Now the question is, what was at its largest? Cristina: There's many, so. Yeah. Jack: Yeah, straight up. It varies from film to film, but the largest is 00:25:00 Jack: is 350ft. How tall is the Empire State Building? Nah, nah, nah, nah. So this creature was around tall buildings, but it wasn't the size of the Empire State Building. The Empire State Building ain't a joke. Godzilla's tallest size was 350ft. The Empire State Building is a hundred and fourteen fifty four feet. Cristina: Okay. And what was the tallest dinosaur? Jack: The tallest dinosaur was roughly half the size of Godzilla. With our estimate being that the possible for the largest dinosaur was roughly 122ft. But the largest we've seen that we believe can get to that size at its highest point was 85. So Godzilla will s*** on anything. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Anything. How big was the biggest King Kong? Cristina: I still don't think it's gonna compete. Jack: King Kong stands at approximately 104ft. Cristina: That's kind of whack. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: I don't understand. Jack: Biggest Godzilla is three and a half times bigger. Cristina: Yeah. That's ridiculous. Jack: Yeah. He would stop this. Cristina: He's huge and he's got powers. Who is. Who is fighting Japan if this was Japan's creature? Jack: I don't know. Cristina: That's why it has. It can't be. Jack: No. That's why we made so many investments. That's why we made so many. We're compensating. Cristina: I think Godzilla is our creature. And whenever we're not happy with Japan, we release it on Japan. Jack: Oh, s***. Maybe there wasn't a nuke. Maybe we were testing, ended up with this thing and sent that out. Cristina: Yes. And that's why they fear us and it. Because it. It's the same thing. It's us. We are their nightmare. We are Godzilla. Jack: Interesting point. So then the question is, when was the first Godzilla movie and when do we drop the bomb? Cristina: Oh, I bet that the bomb came first. I'm betting I'm betting. Jack: You think the. The bombs hit first? Cristina: Yes. If not, then at least when we started testing had to come first. Jack: Okay. Okay. We found something strange here. The first Godzilla movie. Go, Jira. Literally, the name, how you're supposed to say it, it's like in quotation marks here. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Came out on November 3, 1954. Cristina: What are you saying? Like, it happened a day later or something. Jack: Hiroshima. Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Jack: Was dropped on August 6, 1945. That was 10 years before the 11 years earlier. No, nine years back. That's nine years back. So the bombs got dropped first? Cristina: Yes. And then shortly after they make a movie. Jack: Shortly after they make a movie. Cristina: Yeah, yeah. Jack: And the area was supposed to be radiated for really exaggeratedly long time. That's wrong, though. So now it's common knowledge that, no, it's gonna be livable eventually. Cristina: So you're questioning if it was actually what we said it was? Jack: Yeah. Was Godzilla really released into. Cristina: Yes. What? I don't know. Jack: You think that'd be crazy? Cristina: No. Jack: What if we really. What if? Cristina: Really? Jack: What happened is the United States released Godzilla as a warning. But then the question is, how far apart were these? No, they were three days apart. Cristina: What was three days apart? Jack: Hiroshima. We dropped the bomb on August 6, 1945, and just erased that in Nagasaki was August 9 where we dropped it. This was three days later. There is only one possibility. If what you're talking about is the case, we have more than one. And that's why there are different sizes. The fat quote, Fat man bomb was the big one. Because the first one we let go was called the Little Boy. And the little boy could just be the small 00:30:00 Jack: Godzilla. Cristina: Yeah. And because these maybe are scientific experiments, like, maybe once they do their damage, they die. Like, maybe not leave them. They don't actually live, though. Jack: Oh, like they're gonna be. Like, they're gonna die quickly. Cristina: Yeah, they die quickly. Because they're not really. They're. They're radiated. They're. They're. They're animals, but they're not. Like, why would a radiated animal and all these stories, they stay alive and healthy and everything. Like, that's not true. They die immediately. Wouldn't they? Jack: All the other creatures. Cristina: Any creature. Jack: You mean the Godzilla? Cristina: Yes, the Godzilla. Like, any radiator. Jack: How did we get it to that size if it's gonna die quickly? It would have died long before it. Cristina: Reached that size because we hadn't had it woken up. Maybe. Maybe. Jack: We're finding these creatures, right? We're trapped. We're capturing them. Or we're making them. Did we make Godzilla? No, because we found them. We found them. This is a fact. We found these creatures. Cristina: Yes, but maybe we found their eggs and then we still have. Jack: They still have to grow naturally. Right. Because it's. We've established some creatures, a dinosaur. Cristina: Okay. Maybe they just diabetely out of their environment, Their natural environment. Jack: But they'll be right next to the water. Isn't it from the water that we're getting them? Cristina: No. From somewhere super duper radiated. Jack: No, because they're just. Unless we found somewhere naturally radiated on the planet. Cristina: Yeah, maybe because it's an ancient creature that happens to go into a radiated area that creates the Godzilla. Jack: So the argument is there's a lizard that hangs out in a raid. There's a spot naturally on earth that's always radiated. Cristina: Yes. Or that we turned it into radiated and just. Jack: No, these are dinosaurs. Cristina: These are dinosaurs. Jack: These are dinosaurs. We've established that. That the government had nothing to do with it. Cristina: No. Yes. Jack: So we must be finding these. Cristina: Yes. Jack: There must be somewhere on earth that's naturally radiated. Cristina: Okay, yeah, maybe. Jack: Or are we just finding dinosaurs? There's some kind of unique nessie like creature, basically. Right. But why can it shoot a beam from its mouth? We gotta justify that. That's the radiation we had justified size. I guess more ancient dinosaurs than the dinosaurs were used. So that's really what's happening. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And because of that it was de down. And because of that, like it hibernates deeper down in the planet. Cristina: But we can hear it through Russia because they have that giant hole in the ground that makes really spooky sounds. Maybe it's just the dinosaurs. Jack: Maybe they don't sleep underground. Cristina: What? Jack: Maybe they sleep and live underground. And this is one of many. And they're always down there. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And what we hear through the hole. Cristina: Is that they're just. They live down there and it's radiated. Jack: And then we find. No, they don't even have to be radiated. The size, it just works different down there. Cristina: Okay. It's not radiation. Jack: Yeah. But they. They live around lava and immense pressure. Cristina: So maybe where does the beams come from? Jack: I don't know. I don't know. Maybe it's kind of like they're doing something through the. They learn, they evolve naturally. Being able to do a combination of something with air the way that that crab underwater does that make a small explosion. Cristina: Seriously, it's just. It's. There's some scientific reason. Jack: Scientific reason why it can shoot out lasers. Yeah. If we think about like a way to first create an air funnel. Maybe you have some sort of internal system that works like gills but for oxygen. So that you can open and suck in air from one side as you're simultaneously pumping the air out through a more narrow air. Cristina: So radiation has nothing to do with it? No, that's just the story Japan believes because of what we said we were doing. Yes, they put the scientific experiment to it. That's part of the story because that's the story they were told. But we're just lying. Jack: Or you're right and it is radiation. But then it happened by accident. Yes, and. But no, it wouldn't make sense. How did this creature so immediately after. Cristina: They'Re attacking die? Jack: I mean there's a ten year period. Well, we'll say the nine year period. We'll say a movie started being made a year after the events at earliest and the movie got put out a year later. So two year gap. So two years before it would have had to happen. So there would have been only seven years for that lizard to go from as small as it was to as big as it was. It wouldn't happen. The only way would be if this thing was growing for infinities. Cristina: Yes, it already has to be that big. Jack: It already had to be that big for many, many, many, many year. Hundreds of years maybe. Cristina: So they found it. They found it 00:35:00 Cristina: and then it died. Jack: Yeah. So it's from the center of the earth. It comes out here and whatever trick it could do. But again. Okay, wait, we're trying to figure out this trick. Right? So it has some gill like system. It should in theory be able to open some thing to pull in air and have a different where it's shooting the fire from. Should have some kind of like narrower airway so that if you're pulling in twice the amount of air then you have some sort of a pump and you could shoot out the air continuously. Then that's solid. You could. Cristina: You somehow makes lasers. The air turns and say lasers. Jack: Well, the laser wouldn't exactly be a laser. Maybe that's just a weird depiction and it's not like a lightsaber. Maybe it's more like fire. Cristina: Okay. Like a dragon. Jack: Like a dragon. And so it's breathing this in and kind of like a venomous snake that can spit out this kind of thing onto you or something like that. Maybe. Cristina: Why wasn't Godzilla just a story about a dragon? Because we have so many dragon stories. Why wasn't this just a different dragon story? Jack: Maybe the Japanese don't Have fire breathing dragons? Maybe we have fire breathing dragons. Maybe that's a western thing. Cristina: Japan, I mean, China didn't have dragon that breath fire. Jack: I don't know. I have no idea. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Why you think it was What? Cristina: I don't know. Because like, wouldn't they just say it's a dragon that's attacking us and not some scientific experiment attacking us? Jack: Well, they think it happened after the bombs. Here would be the theory. Right. Grounding this a little farther. We dropped the bombs. Cristina: I thought they were the bombs that we dropped. Jack: Well, this is me adjusting. Okay, we dropped the bombs. No, they have to be the bombs. Yeah, but assuming I'm wrong, we dropped the bombs and the bomb woke the thing up. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It's the only time we've ever dropped these bombs. Ever. It's the only time nukes have been used on these areas that aren't just abandoned islands in the middle of nowhere, deserts that are uninhabited. We're dropping it where there's people and foliage. Cristina: I woke this ancient dinosaur up, and. Jack: It woke this ancient dinosaur up. Cristina: Okay. Jack: That could be why they, like, the bombs dropped. Then the thing happened. So that the. The whole story about the bombs. I bet Godzilla did not attack either one of those two places. What place in Japan did Godzilla attack? Tokyo. Cristina: Tokyo. Okay, that's random. Jack: I guess because it was like a real super mega area. We were just attacking normal civilian areas that had a base, I guess for control, it was military related, trying to calm them down or whatever the h*** we were trying to do. Tokyo? Yeah. So that takes place in Tokyo. So that's a possibility. One of two scenarios explains the attack of Godzilla on Tokyo. Either we dropped two bombs and woke something up. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Or these bombs were the lizards and they wandered off. Cristina: That could also be it. That means. Yeah, I don't know. Because like if we did wake up a lizard up, there was just one lizard. Jack: Maybe not. Maybe there was a bunch of lizards. Or maybe we knocked something down underground that allowed one of these already existing creatures from underneath. But we can go back to the original concept that they. That we, the United States, found a way to go down there and get these creatures that have always been down there. Because we do hear something when we hear down. No matter what, these creatures are underground. How we acquired them is now the question. We found out where they are. Cristina: They're underground. Jack: They're underground. Did they originally pop up in Japan? Or did we go get them probably through that hole in Russia, and then keep them? But how do we transport the biggest one? Cristina: Yes. Jack: Problem. We should have a base where we're finding them. Cristina: Alaska. Jack: Alaska is probably a really good place. There's a bunch of rural places out here. 51. 100. Yeah. Cristina: Area 51. Jack: Yeah. Just holes that go deep. And we just have access to pulling these things up and keeping them around the hole so we can throw them right back down if we don't need it. How are we going to dispose of this s***? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: You know, because we tried. Maybe we tried to dispose of some that went wrong. And that's why we have stories of some coming out of the water. Cristina: Okay. You know, 00:40:00 Cristina: and then still, like, any alien story could be pointed to this creature because it could be more than one creature that's down there. Like, they don't all have to look the same. Jack: Yeah. What are they eating if they all look the same? Cristina: Yeah. So, like, if they're like. If they're dinosaur like, I guess, which is very lizard like, so very alien like. Jack: Yeah. And it's definitely. There's lava if they go deep enough. But I don't think they're so deep. I think they're just deep enough that they don't normally get to us or ever. And water must be down there, too. They're ocean levels. Deep, deeper. Slightly deeper. They're slightly deeper. They're in the gaps of air underneath the ocean. And then we found ways. And we tell people, the normal civilians don't have access to the technology that can take us so deep to withstand that level of pressure. But the government's never going to tell us that it does. And it can easily get down there and it can access these creatures and get to them. Cristina: And then what? Just attack countries with them? Jack: But then this. Yeah. Like you said, one country has King Kong, one country has Godzilla. One country has this thing. One country has that thing. One country found it, used it. Other countries found out about it and figured out how to get more. So chances are we have maybe different countries have different size Godzillas. I got a really old Godzilla that's the size of this. Cristina: Okay. All those different ideas. Jack: I got a really huge moth. Cristina: Huge moth is Russian thing that they attack us with. Jack: Yeah. You know, anybody can have anything and they could be getting it from the same place. You just gotta have the technology to go get it and the ability to. Cristina: Restrain it, which I don't know if anyone does have that, though. I don't know. Jack: Then how do we stop the ones that were. We. We. Cristina: I think you can still kill them. I think killing them isn't like a hard thing to do. It's just like hiding the body and then making up stories to what actually happened. Jack: So you have to be able to control it. You can't just kill it. You got to kill it in the water. Cristina: Yeah. You have to kill it in a way that hide. Like, you gotta. You still have to, like. Jack: Fair enough. So then perhaps still like every alien. Cristina: Story where the government came by, asked a bunch of questions, told a lie about what actually happened, and like, I have a theory. Yeah. What? Jack: Maybe it was one. Cristina: Was one what? Jack: The first one caused small destruction as compared to the second one, the one that caused great destruction. They were both powerful. But what if the first one was Godzilla doing it? Little boy was Godzilla. Cristina: And the second one was to kill Godzilla. Jack: Was the. Kill Godzilla. The bomb. Cristina: Okay. Jack: What Godzilla was doing. We're testing it. We're seeing if Godzilla works. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And then it kept wandering, and we're like, how do we control it? Okay, here we go. Well, it worked. Gone. No proof. Cristina: Mmm. Jack: Two part system. It'll keep destroying more than a nuke can if you just let it keep going. Yes, they tested that on the first one. It'll do. Nuke levels of destruction. And until we decide to stop it, it'll keep going. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Can we stop it? Well, let's find out. Here we go. Boom. Cristina: Okay. Yeah. They have to get rid of it. Jack: They have to get rid of it. Maybe the government has the ability to drop things like this at random. Cristina: Crazy. And it's all the governments. Jack: Then many, many, many governments have the ability to drop some colossal creature onto other governments, onto other countries. Cristina: Yeah, to just attack. Jack: Or maybe not. Maybe it's just a few. Depends who has stories of disability. We're the only people who are like, oh, no, we can't. We control it. It's our thing. We call on that show, we want it. Of course we use it. In the middle of the ocean, nowhere, where nobody knows where the h*** people are. Like, oh, how did the Americans shoot down that boat all the way over there? And it's like, we don't need to. Cristina: Know, but we're still. We're still lying about what it's happening. Jack: Yeah, I bet. If we can't control it. No, man, that's a question, right? How do we. We don't have mind control. We're still trying to figure it out. Yeah, if we could control something that big, we'd be controlling humans long since. Cristina: But there's no way we can. Jack: There's no way we can. So we're not using it casually. That has to be Wrong. We're definitely lying about what happened. But I'm pretty sure we dropped a thing that caused nuke sized damage. Cristina: And then we used the nuke. Jack: And we used the 00:45:00 Jack: nuke to see if that could stop it. Now there's no proof that it ever existed. It's gone. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Evaporated the bones into nothing. Cristina: That could be it. Huh? Jack: Simple. Although I think bones would survive a nuke. They would just be crispy. I have no idea. Maybe if you're close enough, you get disintegrated into powder. Cristina: But like, even if you find the bones, am I still dinosaur bones? I don't know. Jack: Yeah, and that's why the wood. That's my point. Like, it would have to be at a point that it gets incinerated, Right? That's the only way that you have zero. Cristina: Zero proof. Jack: Zero proof. Okay. No, the bones would totally disappear. Cristina: So. Jack: Interesting. If this says the bones of a person would disappear, then the question is to go directly and do the size. How big would a bone have to. Cristina: Be to not disappear? Jack: To not disappear. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Okay. All right. So let's do some breakdowns here. Humans would get eviscerated into nothingness and cease to exist. See, even their bones, which are our thickest, densest part, Godzilla's bones. To scale appropriately to its size, maintain its weight, and be logical according to how gravity and whatnot works, it would be about 20 times thicker than a human bones. Cristina: It's pretty thick. Jack: Yes. Even then, at ground zero, it would be so obliterated into nothingness, vaporize into beyond dust, that there would be no evidence it ever existed. Well, a nuke would erase the existence of such a creature at ground zero impact, you make it the target. Boom. Gone. There's no evidence it ever existed. Cristina: So we could have released Godzilla onto Japan and then murdered the Godzilla that we made? Jack: Yes. We didn't make Godzilla. Cristina: Oh yeah, we freed Godzilla, released Godzilla out to Japan, then killed it. Then they made a movie about it. Jack: Yes. Yes. The argument would be that we dropped a Godzilla on Hiroshima on August 9, 1945. And three days later, in Nagasaki in August 9 on 1945, we dropped a nuke to get rid of it, testing our entire scenario. And it worked. And nobody has f***** with us since? Cristina: I guess so. Except everyone keeps making bombs. Jack: Yes. Because they know how to stop it. Cristina: Yes, I guess so. Because they saw that we were able to stop it. Jack: Interesting. Fascinating. Cristina: So all of those bombs are not Nobody's using? Jack: Nope, nobody's Just a single one. Cristina: And also, it's just too Many. Why would you need that? More than one. They're probably country. Jack: Yeah. These are probably controlled nukes to create small blast areas with the same intense energy in the small area. So if you have a lot, you're not causing widespread destruction. Nobody has shot a nuke at anybody anymore. We're waiting. Cristina: For what? For these monsters pop up. Jack: Yes. And we're efficientizing them. We're always making it more efficient. Knowing somebody might have one of these. Cristina: Things, someone might release one. That's the real danger. Jack: Interesting. Cristina: Whoa. That's so crazy. Because we have the most nukes, but we're the one with the obvious amount of creatures. Most likely, too. Jack: Well, we're not. Cristina: I think we are. Jack: We have so many. Oh, so we're just like you guys. Couldn't release one on us for any reason. We'll drop a nuke instantly. Cristina: I think we also are protecting ourselves from our own monsters. Jack: Our monsters. Their release of their monsters on us. Well, now, here's something interesting. We would be screwed in an attack. Because we're thinking a couple of episodes ago, we're doing where would we get attacked through, right? And like, if. What would we do in a scenario like that? We didn't consider something like this. But if something like this were to happen, the most likely location to drop it off would be in the ocean and let it come to us. So they don't have to put themselves in danger. So they would just get close, but they wouldn't hover over our airspace. We drop it in the ocean near us, and it would find land in our direction. Coasts would be f***** up. The coasts are the way in for whatever creatures dropped in the water near us and for land. Cristina: But why are we dropping creatures in the water? Jack: War. What if we're invading the United States? Cristina: We, The United States? Jack: No, like, people. Humans. Oh, humans are invading the United 00:50:00 Jack: States. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: So Russia is like, yeah, let's attack. What if that's what's happening near Alaska right now? And they're hanging out by the water. Cristina: So that we could throw our monster in the water? I don't know. Jack: They've got their monster. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: There's ships and planes. They're surveying our area consistently. They've probably got their creature underwater in some giant cage, and it's probably imprisoned, tied up in some way, and they're just planning and testing to release it. And they could just release it and leave. They don't have to do anything. One day they just leave. A couple of hours later. A couple of days later, something starts attacking Alaska. Cristina: Okay. Jack: I don't know how Canada is going to protect itself, but I guess Canada would be screwed here too. Cristina: They got their own monsters, Hopefully. Jack: They got their own monsters. Hopefully. Unless the point is that Canada doesn't have a way to defend itself. And the only way would be for us to start nuking Canada to kill the creature. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: Which would create an interesting problem. Would we do it? Cristina: I guess that's why we got so much nukes. Jack: I think maybe that's also why our least defended area is the only access point. Because the least amount of people are around the Alaskan area. It's a transport point, but there are the least amount of people in Alaska. If we had to drop a nuke, it would be an easier decision than if it came up through New York City. Cristina: Okay, you get my point? Yeah. Jack: So we make that the easiest attack point, and that's the only likely placer probably to go. Because then we would just start bombing them or dropping our own creatures on them. So then they have to release it over there so that by the time it gets to the water, I mean, it gets to land, starts destroying things locally, we have enough time to react and attack it before it leaves Alaska. And we never have to catch Canada with our nukes. Maybe that's strategic. Cristina: Weird. Jack: But yes, would make sense and would keep the rest of the United States safe. Over. Militarize. All of it. Agree with Canada. We're going to keep that land mass up there and we're going to make it the least defended. You defend your borders like a. But we can nuke that. If they ever drop a creature. Cristina: Do we have creatures on every border then? Jack: Like, we don't. We don't know. We just know they might be dropping a creature on us and that's why they're hovering over there. Cristina: But they are not in Mexico just getting ready to attack us. Jack: Interesting. You think? I mean, that would make sense. Then that would actually explain the wall a little better. Cristina: Yeah, maybe. Jack: Maybe the wall's point was to stop these creatures. Because the creature might not just be destroying for no reason. It's gonna avoid crap. Cristina: Mm. Jack: It's a creature. If you're not controlling it, that's just doing random s***. You build the wall, it might not even try to go over. It might turn away and go somewhere else. Cristina: Interesting. You know, just then, if we're thinking about that, like, maybe all the walls, but then, like, China has walls. Jack: China has walls. They've been doing it since whatever century. Cristina: We know them because the dragons. So like who had the dragons that was attacking China that they decided, let's build some walls, dude. Jack: Even this really ancient place we were researching, the Indian place, Dwarf or whatever from 9,000 BC, had giant double layered walls surrounding them in the water too. Cristina: And it wasn't even just the land that they were protecting. Even the waterside, man. Jack: You know what's crazy, dude? We've also seen many people were f****** with Camaras. The text said so much about chimeras. Cristina: I don't know because I thought these were natural creatures. But then if you start talking about chimeras. That's not natural. Jack: That's not natural. Unless it's creatures we're seeing now are the creatures from back then that they were f****** with. And that's why it would have these abilities. It would be a creature that is some over like leftover relic, ancient scientific experiment. It's not us like our experiment. It had to get to think about the two problems we were trying to solve earlier. How does it have these abilities? Well, we had to make it. How is it its size? No, I had to age to that point. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Solution. It was made and it aged to that point. What does that tell us? It had to be made long ago. Cristina: Okay, One of these ancient civilizations. Jack: And maybe there's a bunch of. Maybe they're everywhere. Some civilizations go underground. Some civilizations can move things to other planets. Maybe us in current day looking at the moon, saw some s*** we shouldn't have because we know there's theories about the other side of the moon, the dark side of 00:55:00 Jack: the moon, which isn't dark because it gets light, but we don't see it. And like, maybe there's something out there. Maybe that's the reason China wanted the return to that side of the moon. Maybe what we saw was like, oh, crap, we don't want to wake that thing up. Or we saw civilization that was like, you guys don't talk about seeing space because they got their creature, whatever the crap might be. Maybe there's creatures like that everywhere, everywhere. And we're just finding them. Some civilizations went extinct. Cristina: So all these fairy tale like creatures that are monsters are not really monsters at all. But then would we put like you said, the Loch Ness monster, And then there's vampires, werewolves, all those other creatures. The Ninja Turtles. No, whatever. Chupacabra. They're like all just ancient experiments. Jack: No, not all ancient experiments, but they're all scientifically explainable. Just like adrenochrome could be scientifically explained to some degree. We don't know what causes all these different things. But I think. I think none of it is magic. And I think we do have maybe current day proof of weird s***. Things we have seen that more than one individual has seen. And there's some kind of proof, whether it be current day photos and things that aren't considered fiction. Nessie's a weird one. Some ancient other kind of creature that. No, it has to be from the past. Everybody assumes has to be. Scientists are like whatever creatures is. Resembles this thing from way long ago. Except it would have had to be even longer ago. Then Dwarka and then the Elysians. It had to be from like Elio's time. Cristina: Okay, Elio. Was he around dinosaurs? Jack: Am I saying that wrong? What the h*** was his name? Loi. Cristina: Loi. Jack: Loi. It could have been from like Loi's time, but still, that's. No, it had to be from millions of years ago. That's a problem. So it would have still even outdated. Loi. No, if 3 million years ago isn't. It still has to be like 150 million years ago. 3 million isn't that long ago compared to a creature that Nessie looks like. So maybe there's crap so long ago has nothing to do with any of those people. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Technology so ancient, that's crazy. Cristina: If it's still technology evolved, I guess. Jack: It would have continued to evolve, you. Cristina: Know, But I don't know. I don't know. Jack: It could have. So somehow. Somehow science was involved in the making of this thing. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Because still. How are you f****** doing it, then? Cristina: Again. Jack: Again, physiologically. I tried to explain it physiologically. Those creatures to shoot things. We know crabs can make explosions into grounds. Really specific ones. Or. I think it's a shrimp or something. And so that's. Some creatures have superpower. Like things spit acid out or whatever. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And. Or some, you know, throw smoke out or whatever ink out. If you can do some kind of air pressure thing where you suck in twice the amount that you push out, then you can push out through a smaller airway, creating more of a pressure. Because more air through a smaller airway goes faster. You get some range. And if you can have some kind of ignition and put into that air that's moving through some kind of flammable air you throw in, there's gas, some flammable gas you throw into the air that you're pushing out, then you can create some kind of flamethrower like thing. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And if it shoots out with enough pressure, the closer to your mouth it is, the more like A laser beam it would be. And the further away, the more like regular, you know, it's less pressure. Farther off, it's more like fire far. So maybe you can get a nice stream that looks like a beam. If your size is big enough from our eyes. If you shot a fire beam and it was the length of like 30 buildings at the peak of your mouth, it's gonna look like a straight out beam, not like a fire blast. Right. Because you're shooting. Because it's closer to whatever spot you're shooting it from. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It's gonna be closer to the shape of the airway you're pushing the air through. Took it look like a beam. There could be explanations all this weird. So what's our landed conclusion? That there's creatures at the center of the earth that have aged for who knows how long. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Countries have found them, some countries have captured them. And likely evidence of this is that Hiroshima had something called the little boy dropped off that we think is a nuke. But it might have been Godzilla and it created nuclear sized destruction. And that three days later after it strolled off, we threw an actual nuke called Fat man to evaporate Godzilla and see if that could work. And it did. And ever since there has been prepared. Everybody's been preparing, Everybody's been making bombs, everybody's been 01:00:00 Jack: making nukes everywhere. All at the same time, just in case, just for the day. Cristina: That makes sense. Jack: And when people are cryptic instead of just saying nukes. So just saying I'll bomb you. When somebody like the North Korean leader is like, I got a present for you. And he says that to Trump, what he's talking about is, you know, you saw the creature. I show you my creature. I got that for you. Cristina: That's weird. Jack: And leaders know, but people don't. Cristina: Leaders are showing each other their creature. Interesting. Because they don't have to show anyone. But they could. Jack: They could, they could, they could. And people aren't gonna talk. Cristina: Yeah. Weird. Okay. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Trump knows about him. Jack: Maybe a bunch. No, Trump would immediately talk. I think Trump wouldn't be able to hold it. I think he would just tell the world in excitement. Cristina: So you don't think he was told yet? Jack: I don't know. Maybe he was. Maybe what we see and what he is are two different things. Who knows? Anyways, we have solved the possibility. So what's the consensus? Is Godzilla real? I, I only if the government has to show us everything because they're doing some cahoots. Cristina: That's the whole point. Yes. The government is just Showing us things that are real. Jack: Yeah. So if that's the case, then Godzilla is real. Yes, because they have to show us everything. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And then that would explain the proof behind Godzilla being real. Cristina: Because the government showed it to us. Jack: The government showed it to us because. Cristina: Obviously they run Hollywood. Jack: Yes. And history shows that, yes, there was definitely some bombs dropped and people saw a lizard in Tokyo. You know, so we got bombs, we got movies, we got evidence everywhere that something happened that they're not telling us. Cristina: But they are telling us just through movies. Okay. Yep. Jack: And the correct story is In August 6, 1945, Godzilla was released on Hiroshima. Godzilla wandered the island past Tokyo and got to Nagasaki, where he was finally nuked. Cristina: Yes. That is the story. The unofficial true story. Jack: That is the unofficial true story of Godzilla. Okay. I'm glad you guys made it with us through this to discover what really happened here. This was important. Cristina: It was. Jack: We've established details that matter to the people of Earth, and now we know true military capabilities of a lot of countries. It's way worse than a nuke. You wouldn't think so, but if you don't have to keep firing and you can just release a thing that could only be killed if you nuke your own people. Cristina: Yeah, that's pretty crazy. Jack: Yeah, that goes hard. Cristina: That goes hard. Jack: It's just gonna keep destroying until you nuke it. Guys, you got to nuke your own people. Enjoy. Explain that to your civilians later. Cristina: Yep. It's. It's. It's what's happening. Jack: It's what's happening. Cristina: It happened. Jack: Fire. That's crazy. That's such a solid military tactic. I guess that's why bioweapons are really overpowered. You want people to have to attack their own people. That's winning a war. Cristina: That is insane. Jack: That's. Yeah, you won. If you gotta start attacking your own people, whoever did that to you, they won. That's fire. They don't have to worry about themselves anymore. You're too distracted dealing with you crazy. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Bioweapons. Resident Evil had the right idea. Cristina: Again, bioweapons. Jack: The way to go. Anyways, if you guys think that we missed something important here that should have happened as a natural development of Godzilla or some other proof that maybe exists. Cristina: In the world 100% right that we're right. Jack: If you can help us justify this, let us know. Reach out to us. You could do that on our socials, at just convo pod, on Tik Tok, Instagram, on X, and on Facebook, wherever. Just type our name. Cristina: You'll find everywhere. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Remember to subscribe. Right. And review the show. Jack: Yes. And word of mouth is really overpowered. Tell everybody about the program and the fact that we have absolutely given. Given you nothing but solid fact and proof that Godzilla was real and a timeline that you could throw in people's faces and show them, look, this is proof. And when they're like, you're using a weird kind of confirmation bias, looking for evidence to prove your argument instead of disprove it, you tell them what is proof of your beliefs. And they're going to be like, good point. But you're being absurd. And you're going to say, I can back these thoughts up with science. Can you? And that argument is gonna win. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Because they're gonna 01:05:00 Jack: be like, I can't. Even if they know inherently, it might make more sense. In your total argument, you've used nothing but science. Even if applying it only where. Only where very convenient. And ignoring the areas that would make it unconvenient, you'd be the only one in the conversation with science. Cristina: Ridiculous. Okay. This has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Jack: Bye. Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. 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August 31, 2024

Rambling 287: Lamia

August 31, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Who is the Greek Mistress Lamia? What is the narrative surrounding her death? What is the truth surrounding her death? The duo unpack the mythology of an interesting creature known as Lamia, a mistress of a Greek God and what really unfolded with their affair.

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Greek Mythology
Naga
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Hera
Snake Pits
Shapeshifting
Necromancers
Jesus Christ

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in five, four.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today we have some interesting things to learn look into. But first, as of late, we've been catching people up because of our jumping around. Anybody who is used to us following a giant cohesive narrative that we've been following for like two years isn't used to the old way. We were doing things of just casually picking things that kind of sort of related to this bigger theme that we didn't know existed. But we were just hunting monsters and figuring out what was going on. Except after a long enough deep dive into what we thought was an unrelated series of things that began with a creature, the unicorn, slowly spiraled into. Every creature seems to be related to this thing one way or another.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And initially we thought a lot of it had to do with the Elysians. When we started looking into the Elysians, but before then, we knew things about the shadow realm and many creatures who were in there. So we were hunting things like that. But before we knew about the shadow Realm, we were also just hunting creatures, trying to find out what the f*** these things are. We thought some of them are aliens. We thought some of them were interdimensional things. And weirdly enough, both of those things are kind of the same.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess so. Yeah.

Jack: You know, we knew this Chupacara was like a God like thing. And we thought it came from space looking for things. But no, it did come from elsewhere. But the elsewhere wasn't space. The elsewhere was a different realm.

Cristina: I don't know if you know anything that actually has come from space.

Jack: No, we know things that have gone out into space.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But it seems that everything we thought came from space we have proven with texts that mentioned it before we even looked up. And it's like, okay, okay, you guys knew about all these things ahead of time. So I was in trying to dig deeper into the Clinton Road thing that we've been looking at. We hit some walls because we gotta find things for this. We gotta figure out what's happening in the bottom of the castle. It's been sealed off. It clearly has a way in and out in a location that is undisclosed to the public because it's been kept absolutely secret with, you know, official reasons or whatnot.

Cristina: Whatnot.

Jack: But the castle it was on was Destroyed. So the entrance there is gone and the exit have been blocked and built around, so we don't know where they exist in the five towns that they're spread into. And then somewhere in this giant property, there could be a random manhole cover that's covered by leaves and happens to be in the woods. And that's the only way in or out of this f******. Like, who the h*** knows?

Cristina: It just sounds so suspicious. It just sounds like that lady with the house that makes it into a puzzle that ends up being a portal for ghosts and whatever.

Jack: Except she wasn't trying to hide anything that was just out there. So why were these people trying to hide it? What is the difference? And this is more recent than the house, too, so what is the point? And, like, I've tried to look. Like I said, the hardest thing about this was gonna be the castle. So we visited the castle.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But all it did was lead us to walls. So because we hit these walls and there's nowhere else to go. Look elsewhere. Maybe we'll get informed.

Cristina: Right, okay.

Jack: So we've gotten informed in the past just by looking at other places. We found the Elysians, and that informed a bunch of s***. We found the Shadow Realm. That informed a bunch of s***. Things that we thought were unrelated. So as I'm looking through random crap, looking through old notes, I come across as, you know, the fact that Zeus was kind of pretty successful at creating Nahaz.

Cristina: Okay, yeah.

Jack: Not Naha's Naga. Nahaz was a specific. Naga is the one from the Garden of Eden's research team. Nahaz is the one we call the Serpent. But so we know that he successfully made a Naga, and we know that he got his Naga to successfully make some that worked and some that didn't, like Medusai and her sisters and crap like that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yes, okay. But still have kind of OP abilities that are kind of sort of fairy like. And in looking at that, it came to my mind that, wait, this is the first instance of more than one, more than two, Many, Several. And so I'm like, okay, if you figured it out, you didn't also just stop. Those just happened to be the main narratives, right? The ones that are important because you figured it out, you want to be able to replicate it, and holy s***. That I immediately find something. I was like, there must be more. Just logically speaking, if nobody else could figure it out, the guy who did is probably going to mass produce them. That's the advantage right there.

Cristina: You're OP now he has a Naga army.

Jack: He Would have to. Right. He would have to build. I mean, not a Naga army, but he would have to make multiple. Logically speaking. And I stumble upon a thing called Lamia. L A M I A Lamia. And Lamia is described as a half woman, half serpent. But Lamia is not Medusa or the other Groguns. And Lamia is not Glycon. And Lamia is none of these things.

Cristina: She's from the same area.

Jack: She's Greek.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: She's Greek, specifically related to Zeus. Oh, weird. So I was like, okay, this is odd. But like, we can easily find it now because. Yeah, you had more than one and you instructed something to make it. Just because we only stumbled upon the three and didn't dig deeper, doesn't there isn't more? Yes, but there's definitely more. She's not even the only one I found.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But she's the most interesting one I found. So, as we said, she was originally mentioned in Greek mythology. And very specifically, the same thing that shows up again is half woman, half serpent. Half woman, half serpent. Very, very directly. It seems like Zeus wants Kido to continue making things that are half and half, not fully one. Or Kido is obsessed with not actually succeeding and going halfway because he wants to be the powerful one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I don't know the point of why they're always half and half. If a Naga is not. Anaga is not. Yeah, Anaga is a full fairy serpent.

Cristina: Serpent thing.

Jack: Yeah, absolutely. 100% a serpent.

Cristina: For some reason, he only makes halves and halves.

Jack: All of them are. Now they're really overpowered to the point that they are more OP than a bunch of the s***. Alicians didn't like some of this crap because of how OP it is. Meaning they felt, you know, some of these things were a problem to some degree, but they weren't. Naga, is it because it's impossible to actually go all the way? But no, because we know of people who've accomplished it.

Cristina: Yeah. So did they do it on purpose? And what was the purpose?

Jack: What is ultimately the purpose? So I dive into the story to just what do the Greek have to say about this? What is the main narrative about Lamia? So here we go. First of all, Lamia was the queen of Libya according to the Greeks.

Cristina: What?

Jack: She was the queen of Libya. Okay, but weird that the queen of Libya is a half serpent, half a woman. But whatever. The Greek had weird stories to tell.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, everything was odd. Now, where this became really interesting to me is the fact that she was in love and loved by Zeus.

Cristina: Okay, yeah. Well, she always have snakes, though. Is that part of her story? Okay.

Jack: She's always been.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Always been half serpent. And Zeus is into serpents, I guess.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And upon finding out that Zeus was having an affair with her, Hera becomes jealous and curses Lamia to lose her children.

Cristina: Oh, hush. Okay.

Jack: And transforms her into a monster who would devour the children of others.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Whoa.

Jack: Hardcore.

Cristina: Hardcore.

Jack: So let's unpack this for a bit. Zeus loves a half serpent lady, but I guess he's a God and he f**** random s***. Like, whatever, dude, you're God. What is a human to you? You're a God.

Cristina: He's with someone who is not cool with.

Jack: He's someone who's not cool with that. But he's always cheating on her. All his children are from different women. And he has, like, 100.

Cristina: Yes. But does she get her revenge like this to every single lady?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Like, how does.

Jack: Hera is. Hera is known as a total b****.

Cristina: He's also a monster. That's okay. With the reaction. Her reaction. Whatever he does. Because he's not getting hurt. It's just the people he's with getting hurt, and he's not feeling that well.

Jack: The logic goes as follows. He loves one person deeply, and that's Hera. He loves other people. Not deeply. He loves to love. It's the idea of, you can truly be in love with one person and love many other people who you're not in love with. Yeah, you want to be romantic, and, yeah, you want to f*** and you want to have. But there's one person who you are committed to.

Cristina: But do you not feel bad for these people that are suffering?

Jack: Well, they know they are also involved. They are not an uninformed party.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In all of these cases, they are the informed party. Everybody's informed.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Zeus is not a liar.

Cristina: There's a chance that you'll die or you'll have to kill your loved ones to be with me. That's. That's tough.

Jack: No, I'm sure all of these God women are like, I could take. Oh, I guarantee you, every single one of them. The gods are full of themselves.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Every single one is like, I could take her. It's not a problem. But Zeus has always been committed to Hera. And he's like, I'm not gonna say to my wife, she said, you banned, so you banned.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But Hera is fine until she's not.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, she knows. And then I guess she just doesn't want to see it ultimately just like, don't bring it around me. Don't bring it around me. You come home to me and you don't bring any of them b****** around me. And when she sees them b******, them b****** gotta die or become other s*** or whatever the f*** she does.

Cristina: Just live a miserable, miserable life.

Jack: Yes. But to his defense, he 100% seems absolutely committed to Hera, because that's who he doesn't violate. She's like, I gotta kill this person. He's like, s***, I guess you gotta kill this b****. And it's like, d***, bro. Okay, you at least committed, okay? And like, I respect that. I respect the guy who can stay committed. And realistically, yeah, you love other people. Realistically, but you're not going to betray who you're in love with, which is Hera. Great important detail because of where this is going to go.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: That was. That was not without purpose. That rant was absolutely within reason. All right, so, yeah, Hera kind of notorious for tossing people into weird situations, killing them, turning into other s***, ranking them, sending them into other f****** planes of existence.

Cristina: Do you know what kind of monster she turned her into? Like, what does she look like?

Jack: He. She made her existing form feral. She was a woman, and now that woman became a monster based on that woman. Oh, so it's just she became a feral monster. She was still a woman snake thing, but now she was a snake woman. She wasn't before she was a woman snake. Now she's a snake woman, if that makes sense.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And like, yes, that's the priority right there. She's like, okay, now you're primarily the serpent. Enjoy killing all the children you would love.

Cristina: Harsh. Okay?

Jack: Hardcore.

Cristina: Hardcore.

Jack: But if she knew, then she opted into the possibility. That's more on her for thinking she could step into number one spot. And it's like, we all know where Zeus stands, and it's by Hera.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: There's not a soul who's ever questioned if Zeus is going to turn on her. He's not going to. Why would he? Which means you opted into the situation to some degree. You weren't aware of what extent or what move. But you know, if you get busted, you. You f*****. And so you did, and I f*****. Okay, now let's break apart her appearance a little. Described as having the upper body of a beautiful woman and the lower body of a serpent. Right, let's dive into a little more detail. One thing that I found, which, again, as I say it, the image as I keep Moving forward, the image is going to build itself. She has the ability to shapeshift.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that's an important little detail right.

Cristina: There because that's always involved.

Jack: That's a clever little tidbit. Oftentimes into either a pure woman or a pure serpent. Those seem to be her main go to. She can shapeshift into other things. But when she's in her pure woman form, after her interactions with Hera, she lures men in this woman form, and usually men with children, intentionally trying to get to the children and eat them.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: And when she's in a pure serpent form, she uses that to blend into nature where there would already be children.

Cristina: She's actually. Oh, my gosh. That's horrifying.

Jack: Yeah. She became. It's not just like, you're gonna be a thing. And it's like, yeah, I'm gonna go live my life as the same s***. I am just waiting. No. Hera f***** this lady.

Cristina: Now she hungers for children.

Jack: Now she hungers for children.

Cristina: Oh. Oh.

Jack: Weird, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Lamia, the lady who will eat children. But again, there's some patterns that are forming. I don't know if you're spotting them as I'm going through this. Shapeshifters, children.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Let's dive into some of these behaviors. They are going to paint even stronger image. She usually appears at night. Succubus behavior right off the bat. And the fact that you're luring men. Odd.

Cristina: Odd.

Jack: Luring men at night.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Sounds like a succubus. As far as I know.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: Which is already a shadow realm creature. So luring men at night and using the darkness to confuse and more easily abduct. Very, very succubus. The only difference is succubus are kind of mermaid, like always by water and s***. It's most likely a succubus is a mermaid and a mermaid is a succubus. Maybe different variations of the same thing. And by the end of this episode, if we remember, we could address that because it's gonna make sense why we would have to compare those things if we remember to.

Cristina: Okay, so you saying she didn't like magically turn her into a feral being. Now she is like the feral version of whatever creature she was. Like adrenochrome. Maybe she was given adrenochrome and killed and now she's after that or something like.

Jack: It's complicated. No, she was definitely a serpent woman.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There are serpent women? Yes, according to the Greek myths.

Cristina: But now she's a feral serpent.

Jack: Yes. But I don't think she was the non feral version of something that's inherently feral.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think there are just, according to the Greek myths, serpent people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Who are just normal people. And then there's weird other anomalies like the Gorgons and s*** like that. Or the Grogans. It's either Grogan or Gorgon. I don't f****** know. Medusa and her sisters and Keto, things like that. So those are weird artificial violent things. While Lamia didn't seem to be. It was just more of a literal person who happens to be of a specific race, maybe or something. It's not entirely clear. Yeah, there's actually very little information on this. This was a particularly difficult find, which is what made it more interesting because of the paths I had to take to get here. That informed quite a bit. But yeah, it looks like she was not some kind of weird thing. She was turned feral.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And there isn't a thing like that. As far as we know, that is specifically her kind of a creature that was a person. Or that she's the non feral version of something specific or race or something. It looks like she's just part of a race of people who happen to be. I don't know where the f*** the rest of her people are. There's no mention to that. Maybe you just made the weird serpent lady queen because she doesn't look like the rest of you. I don't really know the logic behind it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But she was just a normal person other than her half serpent part. Now, when in her serpent form, she is known for consuming the children. When in her woman form, she is known for luring men. And when they don't have children, she kills the man.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Then there is little detail about what happens to the man that might inform what happens to the children. Because it's always described as eating. But when in her woman form, she is known for luring men. And when they don't have children, she kills the man and drinks her blood.

Cristina: Of course.

Jack: Of course. Very specific behavior. Now we gotta address how Hera accomplished this. Exactly.

Cristina: That's what I'm wondering. She turned her into.

Jack: Well, that's the end of the story. According to the the narrative of the Greek myth that is most promoted based on this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There's no more information right after that. That's where it ends. These are the events that took place. So what the h*** did Hera do?

Cristina: She turned her into. I don't know, a shadow realm creature.

Jack: Somehow How? The. She obviously drowned her in adrenochrome or some s***. Force fed her some s***. But how had she know? I mean, they're always f****** around with adrenochrome. But Hera knows.

Cristina: Why not?

Jack: Why would she?

Cristina: I don't know, but it depends. Like, what happens to these other women that she tortured?

Jack: Nothing like this.

Cristina: Nothing like this.

Jack: No, I would have. I would have talked about it. Obviously. Okay, so no, this is the case.

Cristina: This is the one case that happens.

Jack: At least this way. Yes, I looked at the other women. No, this is the one.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: So what the f*** happened? So she finds the lady and then what? You force fed her a dream? Where the f*** did you get a dr? How do you know adrenochrome was a thing? Even if you heard him talk about adrenochrome, how do you know specifically how to get it, how to make it? Hera knows a little something.

Cristina: Has to know something. Part of the team.

Jack: One of the gods, you would think, right? Yeah, but then who's on her side? Everybody's on Zeus side. Yeah, and Zeus sides with Hera. But Zeus isn't gonna tell his homies. Go, obey Hera. No, in fact, his homies tend to not like Hera a lot.

Cristina: Yeah. So she was snooping around somebody.

Jack: They would have caught her. Bro, we're talking about the most secure facilities in existence.

Cristina: There's no way she just stumbles upon this either.

Jack: Exactly the problem. There's also no way she entered these facilities. There's no way. Not in a billion trillion years. Considering specifically who she is and how she's known to behave, doubtful they would have let her anywhere near one of their labs. 100 guarantee you she didn't end it. I looked just to confirm the fact. Like, did she? There's no narrative that talks about her entering spaces relative to this. If there is, she was so f****** sneaky that nothing was registered ever. And we're talking about quite advanced facilities. She would have been busted.

Cristina: But how did she do this?

Jack: Then it has to be outside of the facility.

Cristina: How?

Jack: How did she accomplish turning Lamia into a feral person?

Cristina: How do you think?

Jack: Well, I don't know my conclusion, my thought is that perhaps she caught her and force fed it to her. But then the question is, how did she acquire? How would Hera stumble upon adrenochrome? What paths could she take? Who do we know that she could have been in contact with? There's so little about this interaction.

Cristina: And anyone she knows because we don't know anyone that talks about that's involved in adrenochrome.

Jack: We know many who are involved in adrenochrome. What do you mean?

Cristina: But, like, in the Greek gods. Any of them.

Jack: All of them have touched it one way or another. They literally discovered ambrosia. They have ichor in their position. And they have nectar, which a bunch of them consume specifically because they couldn't figure out how to do it without it, the way that the Elysians did with the stones and other methods. Okay, so they definitely had access to it. But why would she? And how would she.

Cristina: But why wouldn't she? Like she's one of them.

Jack: No, she's not.

Cristina: She's not.

Jack: She's the wife of Zeus. But she's not a scientist. She's just the wife of Zeus. And a particularly wild gun that they're not gonna let into their facilities, destroy all their s***.

Cristina: Mm. She knows enough. I don't know. It doesn't. It feels weird that she would just know how to do this.

Jack: We're missing the middle part, where somehow she did, in fact, acquire adrenochrome and then force fed it to this lady or something. What we know is that she knows Zeus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that this lady became some feral thing. And everything in the middle described is obviously adrenochrome related, but we also know she had no interaction with any other scientists in the facility, and that none of them like her.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And there's no mention. Not one. Which it would have. We found threads of the randomest s***. Not one mention of her hanging out or associating with any of these things.

Cristina: But she knows, Deuce. And he knows the information.

Jack: Yes. He's also not going to tell the lady, who is constantly having mood swings and having weird power moments.

Cristina: He doesn't have, like, the work at home.

Jack: And I assure you he doesn't, considering that it's the same work that the Elysians would like to confiscate. You're going to keep it in the most secure place, away from where they can easily come and take it from you. They're kind of op. You're going to take your work home, knowing how this s*** could just go down. Yeah, and they never did. Which means you didn't take the work home. Or you did take it home, and for whatever reason, they were just like, oh, let it go. And then this lady's op, that doesn't work out.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They're too thorough. Deletions are mechanically thorough. It's computers at this point.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So he never took the work home. She Never entered the lab. His workers don't like her. And she still managed to turn the lady into obviously speaking an adrenochrome rampant creature. Who needs more adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Weird. And I don't know. So we know Hera has banished many women different ways. Never this way. And she is again hated by everybody. Nobody sides with her. They all side with Zeus. Although Zeus is a ruthless maniac himself. The loyalty or fear, one or the other. But then Hera behaves this way. It's definitely not the fear. Loyalty. They must just like him more. Yeah, but then again he is creating these. He kind of just successful at doing some s***. It's impressive. So successful. For many years we thought he was just some background noise that was being ignored by the Alicia. And then we found out he was one of the few to accomplish some of these really complicated things that the rest of them failed at. Like creating successful Naga. Even if it took a bunch of s***** experiments to get there.

Cristina: But she's one of them. No, she. She wasn't made at all.

Jack: No, she was just already a person who existed like that. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There must be a race. There's other serpent people who are not anything weird.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Greek mythology is packed with serpent people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Some made like the Grogans. And some who were just born that way. Like Keto.

Cristina: But I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, neither do I. Interesting though, the fact that she had the ability to do this.

Cristina: Yes. Without any help. As far as anyone can tell, without.

Jack: Any help they have their kingdom. And she managed to get a hold of Lamia and somehow force feed Lamia or Tricker or something. And she then becomes this feral creature.

Cristina: That's ridiculous. I don't know. It feels like she needed help. But who would help her?

Jack: Okay, so then I will continue forward since trying to figure it out is a pointless endeavor. Now we've done appearance, we've done behavior. Now here's where we get into the weeds of the situation. We have to deep dive into the hard explain many different texts, primarily focusing on Homer and Apollonius. But there are six or seven different versions of different texts that are going to inform the story. There's a lot of cross referencing that piece this together. But again we're focusing on the texts from Homer and Apollonius. Although there are some details from other individuals here. Now we find the story plays out a little differently when we do look at their references. And the story begins with a lady called Khalees. So Khalees is the name of a woman with which Zeus was having an affair.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: One of the many. And is discovered by Hera. Now, very important to point out that in the Greek myth that is popular, Hera always knows that is explicitly mentioned. It's also explicitly mentioned in Apollonius's writing that she didn't know and she discovered Khalees.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Hence the anger in the first place.

Cristina: That makes changes.

Jack: Cheating on me, you piece of s***. Blah, blah, blah. What the f***? Imma smack that b**** up. You know, Instead of being angry at Zeus, you cheating piece of s***, now I'm gonna smack that b**** up. Khalees probably didn't even f****** know. Then again, he's Zeus. Khalees probably knew. Yeah, he probably knows. You know who Hera is. Come on, bro.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: They're the rulers. You knew he was sneaking around. You had it coming.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now details that matter without Zeus being aware. During Khaleesa's final visit, Hera uses Zeus guards and has Khalees royal guards killed. Then tosses Khalees alive into a snake pit to die.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Hmm?

Cristina: They just have a snake pit.

Jack: It's ancient Greece.

Cristina: I know. This is so crazy.

Jack: The snake pit consists of hundreds of snakes no larger than a human arm, according to Homer's texts. No, Hugh. Because my initial thought is you're gonna fuse with a f****** snake or something. I don't f****** know. Yeah, it's ancient Greek mythology because this girl Khalees is not a serpent woman. Let me point that out. Apollonius says beautiful woman, pointing out that she has walked a long time because her legs were visibly muscular.

Cristina: She's human, pure human.

Jack: Khalees was pure human, while Lamia was not. Lamia is bottom half serpent. But Apollonius doesn't agree with this narrative. Apollonia says, no, that was a woman. He was having an affair with a normal human woman probably.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And thus makes more sense that she was the queen of a civilization of normal human people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And definitely there's no such thing as normal born f****** earthling.

Cristina: Are you talking about the same person?

Jack: Yes, this is the same story. Oh, this is them all talking about the same.

Cristina: One of them that we already talked. Yes.

Jack: The Greek myth and everything I'm telling you right now is their take on the same Greek myth.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: This is Homer, Apollonius and a few others talking about this very same story.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which puts Khalees, the queen of Libya, as just a human.

Cristina: Okay. Which makes more sense. All right.

Jack: Just a human lady called Khalees. And she had very muscular legs because she. Not muscular, but she had toned legs. Because she walked a very long time. She loved walking. And she had royal guards who Hera had her royal guards disposed of on.

Cristina: Her visit and then murdered her.

Jack: Threw her in a snake pit.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: To die. Didn't say she murdered her. She threw her in a snake pit to die, which presumably she died there, but that doesn't mean she murdered her. Snakes would have.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She definitely left her to die, though. And again, the snake pit consisted of small snakes for the most part. No snake is eating her whole. That would be impossible. To the length of an arm. You can't eat her. Okay, so interesting little details.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The pit was explicitly designed to starve people to death if the snakes don't squeeze them to death. Lovely ancient torture device. Lovely ancient torture device. The important part comes now. We shift our view now entirely to Homer because Homer had some interesting tidbits that didn't make it to any other body, anybody else's story, and didn't even focus on the family. It focused on a random guard.

Jack: Let us unpack. With the upper body of Khalees and the lower body of a serpent. A guard sees Khalees flee into the forest during the night.

Cristina: What did he see?

Jack: The guard sees the upper body of Khalees and the lower body of a serpent flee into the woods.

Cristina: Okay, so she somehow transformed in the snake pit.

Jack: But how?

Cristina: How? Yes, how? That's very strange. That's his part of the story.

Jack: That's his contribution. He gave us this tidbit that nobody else mentioned, but allows us a little more information than just somehow. A civilization of humans put a serpent woman in charge of them fearlessly. No, it makes more sense to put a Greek God. They look like humans who are just real op and huge.

Cristina: Yes. But he's trying to explain how she looks.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: I don't know. That's weird.

Jack: Got muddy quick, right?

Cristina: Yeah. Unless that wasn't like a normal snake pit.

Jack: It was absolutely a normal snake pit.

Cristina: Well, how would she walk away like that?

Jack: I don't know. She gets tossed in the pit. And then a few days later, a guard doing his rounds sees her upper body somehow bottom half. Serpents now fleeing the pit into the woods, into the forest, casually.

Cristina: She somehow transformed in the snake pit.

Jack: She somehow transformed in the snake pit? Yes. At least it seems that way.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: That is weird.

Jack: Very, very strange. So what do we believe happened here then?

Cristina: I don't. It wasn't a normal snake pit. Do you think it was a normal snake pit?

Jack: It was. I'll tell you what. The next line in his story. His correction of the story tells us, which will enlighten a little more. The next morning, after the guard reports what happened, they visit the pit and find Khaleesa's body still in the pit.

Cristina: So it was involved Shadow Realm.

Jack: It did not.

Cristina: It's a shadow Realm creature of her. But her dead body's there. So he did not see her dead body. No, but it was her. Is her adrenochrome version? I don't know.

Jack: Her body is still in there.

Cristina: Her body's still there.

Jack: She is f****** dead.

Cristina: Yes. But there's something out there.

Jack: Yes, for sure. There definitely is. A woman gets tossed into a snake pit where she fears for her death. The snake pit is filled with snakes who are going to attempt to eat the woman as she fears.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: For her life.

Cristina: Yes. This is adrenal chrome related. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. And a serpent woman gets seen leaving. And all Adrenochrome creatures seem to have the ability to shape shift.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So a serpent got adrenochrome and turned into saw. The only thing there that wasn't a serpent. Its intellect, as we know with adrenochrome, tends to skyrocket as long as you continue consuming it. And you have quite an amount here that's just persistently there. And so you kill her while she's screaming and panicking and she's being choked out in just fear in the most horrific of ways. And then this serpent or multiple. Who the h*** knows at this point? But at least one.

Cristina: At least one. Yeah.

Jack: Turns out into an adrenochrome creature. A hundred percent. Just fully converts.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then turns like, tries to imitate what she was, what she looks like. But again, it's fresh. It doesn't know what the f*** it's doing. It's just newly. A creature has to discover its abilities, has to figure out how it works and all these things. So it managed half of a transformation that kind of sort of looked like her.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then the pit is deep. Somehow still managed to get the f*** out of there. Like Adrenochrome creatures, you're thinking outside the box. You figured it out.

Cristina: But it's a feral Adrenochrome creature.

Jack: Why is it feral?

Cristina: Because it's eating children and stuff.

Jack: Eventually it will.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But actually, we haven't even gotten to any part in which this correction story even mentions anything like that.

Cristina: Oh, okay. I'm gonna guess that that's part of it.

Jack: That's. Yes, that's literally us using the parts we have to figure it out. Which is the logical conclusion, you got adrenochrome, but you didn't know you had to continue getting adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So you became feral, and you go out and once in a while you get adrenochrome without knowing you should keep getting adrenochromes. Now you're just a feral thing, casually killing s*** like a wet judge. Except the wet judge is on the other side. You've not died. You're a physical thing who just persistently exists.

Cristina: Yes. I forget that creatures here can do that, though. I always think it's like you have to die and then.

Jack: Yes, I know. Like I said, I'm present and remember the things.

Cristina: There's a lot of information to remember.

Jack: Oh, yeah. And I connect all of it, as would happen. But, yeah, that seems to be the case. This is all from Homer. This last part started, which makes sense days later. Yeah. So the creature with the upper body of Khalees and the lower body of a serpent is seen leaving into the forest in the night. While the guards making his rounds, he goes and he tells Hera and Zeus and the guards and everybody else like, this is what I saw. And then the next morning, they come and they see Khaleesa still there. Bro, like, you're out of your f****** mind.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You're seeing s***. That's impossible. Okay, she's still there, but there was something that fled into the woods.

Cristina: Yeah. That looked like a half lady, half snake.

Jack: Half lady, half snake. Interesting, though.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which then corrects the story of Lamia, because there's no such thing as a woman named Lamia. There's a creature named Lamia.

Cristina: And that's not his whole story, though. Homer's version.

Jack: That's the whole addition. The rest of it kind of falls in line with what was already discussed. That's his final input that didn't exist previously. Okay, so he finishes off fleshing out this narrative. Now, the name Khalees barely shows up anywhere. These two texts are the two of the only mentions with the addition of a couple of other texts. They don't mention her name. They mention the same story from different points and a little couple of details, but the name literally shows up and refers to the events of Lamia, but without mentioning Lamia, they mention specifically Khalees. And Khalees is not a serpent person, but in the Greek myth, the Lamia is a serpent person.

Cristina: Okay, so after her transformation, she. She's known as Lamia, but before her transformation, she's just a lady named.

Jack: And the narrative we get from the Greek is completely afterwards, but a merge of the events before.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So it looks like he was with a serpent woman, but where the were the serpent women born? What the.

Cristina: Yeah. So it was just a woman. He was just with some lady and horrible things happened to her. Because that's what happens when you're with him.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Yes. Yes, yes.

Cristina: That's crazy. That's an actual story of a not.

Jack: Non accidental adrenochrome situation.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Somebody gets tossed into a pit, fears for their life, happens to be with the thing that's gonna kill them. The thing is, it's very similar to the warwolves.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, we have stories like that, but there is usually in the wild happening. It's not around.

Jack: Yeah. Rarely is it like, again, the werewolves is a weird one.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's literally starved wolves because war scared all the other creatures away. And these guys are just dying, starved. And there's bodies everywhere. You eat what you can, bro, but fresh bodies from war.

Cristina: Oh, half dead, already scared out of their minds.

Jack: Some still alive and screaming because they got crap blown off and s***. Just cut and like, holy f***.

Cristina: Making werewolves.

Jack: Making werewolves. Oh, and this is very similar to that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You got a snake pit, which means really, really, really. Ultimately, if you look at the amount of serpent creatures that come out of India and the amount of serpent creatures that come out of Greece, the people who invented the f****** snake pits, suddenly the picture builds clearly. You're tossing people into snake pits casually as a prison sentence, as a death sentence.

Cristina: They probably have many stories of these human.

Jack: Maybe not. Maybe not many creatures stories, but. Oh, yeah, yeah. Not stories about pushing the people into thinking them turning, but definitely many, many, many, many serpent, human creatures.

Cristina: Yes, yes, yes, yes. Because I'm pretty sure they have the ones like the flying snake thing, that's just a witch who turns into a flying snake or whatever.

Jack: And it's like sketchy. No, there's something wrong going on here, buddy.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: But you see how interesting.

Cristina: Yes, I see. It makes sense, though.

Jack: Yeah, that is definitely it. At least it seems to be the case on how the events unrolled were like that.

Cristina: It makes way more sense than the original.

Jack: Yeah, for sure. The original is just a myth.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's why we can't take the myths at face value because they're usually bullshit. It's a bunch of warped, twisted stories trying to attach morality or some s***. It's like people aren't moral. They just do s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like the truth behind Homer and Apollonius takes on it are just People doing s***. And like her is kind of a loose cannon.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's no way she was going to be allowed into a lab. She's just tossing b****** into snake pits, bro. Come on.

Cristina: That is amazing.

Jack: I'm not going to let her into a lab and then she has a mood swing and thrashes hundreds years worth of research.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She would never be allowed into any s*** like that. But she does toss b****** in the snake pits casually.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's just some s***. Who knows how many of these women turned into this s***. Now, again, the story of the Lamia plays out this way, but all these other narratives are also real exaggerated and sort of fluffed up, so they don't show any kind of reality to them. Probably a bunch of these b****** got tossed into snake pits.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Even if we don't have snake stories.

Cristina: Of them and their stories, they probably just. They died.

Jack: Yeah, they just f****** died. Yeah. It's like maybe she was too confident and like, not enough adrenochrome. So you didn't make a monster. Because I'm sure sometimes maybe you just fall, hit your head. No fear was felt.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah. Some people just die.

Jack: You just die. Yeah. And so not everybody became a creature. But this was a weird instance.

Cristina: She probably made a few creatures by accident.

Jack: I'm sure she made a couple. I'm sure. In India. I mean, we know based on just this new context.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We know snake pits have resulted in snake like creatures. Multiple. Many.

Cristina: Yeah. And there's got to be people who saw it happen. Like this random guard.

Jack: Yes. Which means we could probably assuming it happens after the time of record keeping. Somebody penned the paper, Right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now, what does it ultimately mean? We know that the serpent surrounding Khalees, while she was horrified, literally being squeezed to death, were exposed to the adrenochrome. One of the abilities of creatures and adrenochrome that most commonly is acquired is shape shifting. We see it talking everywhere, and the leftover body of Khalees assures us she was in fact, still physically there. So she's not who turned. She actually did die, which created the Adrenochrome. That was important. So one of the serpents morphed over the days. Interesting enough. It also gives us insight into the transformation, because nothing gets bigger or smaller other than Ophiomorphous, the artificial Naga created by Yaldabaoth in the Shadow Realm. That one can alter its scale, but we don't know of other Naga to alter their scale. So that's not a thing. And we don't know shape shifters to alter their scale. So he would have imitated her. It would have just been a tiny arm length snake with half of it being a tiny arm length Khalees.

Cristina: That's weird.

Jack: Yeah, but that's not what they saw come out. She was full size, maybe a little bigger than Khalees. That's the adrenochrome. It's morph increased its size dramatically, which tells us what happened. We don't have many takes on serpents being exposed to adrenochrome.

Cristina: No, but now definitely one of them.

Jack: Yes, definitely, yes.

Cristina: The whole victims of children and men.

Jack: On point. Yeah, on point. So it grew in size like 10 times, 20 times, 30 times. Whatever made it bigger than Khalees by default. And it did its best to imitate what it was seeing around it with one of its abilities. And it didn't fully maximize it, but it got enough to confuse the h*** out of a guard and then fled. It somehow climbed out of the pit, which is whole complicated thing, but again, weird abilities it has. And now it's got arms that it could imitate to have. And like odd, but. And it was days later it was in that pit hours and hours and hours exploring what it was now. Horrifying, you know, so it's. It probably turned into a million things in there trying to figure it out. Anomalous things, shapeless things that just don't make sense. Anybody who looked into that hole must have been mind looking in there.

Cristina: Except no one would because like why?

Jack: It's just dead people in snakes. Yeah, but that's what we got. The lamia is not a woman. The lamia is a serpent. Adrenochrome creature. The controlled version of a serpent. Adrenochrome creature. But that tells us what?

Cristina: There's more.

Jack: That there's more. And not just more. There are literally three other variations to this same creature. Not just more of the creature. This same one creature can have four different states based on what it is. It would have thalamia, which is it on adrenochrome, but that is not what is out there eating children casually. That is what left the pit. The lamia, the controlled thinking, logical, trying to figure itself out, highly intelligent version. That is not what's out there killing men and children.

Cristina: That's just a big snake.

Jack: Well, no, that would be the feral version.

Cristina: Yeah, but that's it.

Jack: Yeah, I guess it would, but it's not a snake. It stopped being a snake.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now it's an adrenochrome Thing. Yes, because the snake would not have been on adrenochrome. And in deep diving, trying to figure out how this all fits together, I successfully did in fact find them. And they all happen to be based around the same area, and they all happen to be based around the same time. So presumably either a s*** ton of these m************ were made, or we can track the specific one that ate Khalees. There is a creature called a dracana, and it's all the identical characteristics of the lamia, with details like it being more monstrous and feral, less human and more driven by primal bloodlust. And texts suggest its behaviors are similar to the lamia. Only difference in the excessive amount of aggression that it shows. The lamia seems passive and it likes to hide. It's staying away from things. Someone don't catch me, don't see me, don't spot me. I gotta be in the COVID of night, in the dark. The dracana doesn't give a. That rolls up on towns, that rolls up on city. It doesn't give a. Broad daylight. It doesn't give a. It's eating.

Cristina: It's eating. Okay, so this is the feral.

Jack: This is a creature people run from towns, from, okay, destroyed villages because this rolled through.

Cristina: Oh, that's crazy.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which as you'd expect of an adrenochrome creature, oftentimes we don't get something crazy vicious because it's something stupid. But sometimes we get like, you know, if a groundhog. Like, whatever, dude. But if a wolf takes it, okay, we got a bit of a problem. We got nothing but stories of villages being terrorized by werewolves.

Cristina: Mm

Jack: Because when it's bad enough, it's bad enough.

Cristina: Horrible.

Jack: It's horrible. Werewolf. That's a f****** problem. Evacuate. Leave the f****** country. If you can get as far away, put water in between you, it's a f****** werewolf.

Cristina: Yeah, and I'm.

Jack: You know, most werewolves have started themselves out into the shadow realm. Ultimately as we got more technologically advanced and built structures that couldn't get through and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So in modern day, we see way less adrenochrome driven creatures because they will starve to death, minus the humans who can create farms easily.

Cristina: Yes, we don't have a problem.

Jack: We can solve our issues. But that's definitely the dracaena. If it. All the characteristics all perfectly, minus the fact that it's out of its f****** mind and fits the characteristics of what we're referring to as the Lamia. See, when we Talk about the Lamia. We're converging two stories of Khalees and a serpent, but the eating children and men were actually converging. The third part, the Jacana. So we're talking about three different instances of Khalees as a woman, of a serpent imitating Khalees and of the Jacana, all overlapping in one narrative that the Greek gave us. Because the lamia never hurt anybody. The lamia dipped into the woods and.

Cristina: That was the end of that.

Jack: That was the end of that.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then we get the dracaena once that s*** goes feral and didn't get exposed enough, and now it's out of his f****** mind and has to just go eat whatever the h*** it comes across.

Cristina: And it wants children.

Jack: Yes. Now, the thing is, eventually that story fizzles out and we start seeing a very similar but different story about something called the echidna.

Cristina: Sounds familiar.

Jack: Is because Knuckles from Sonic is an echidna. But just the name of this thing is echidna. And in Greek mythology, the echidna is known as the mother of monsters, a half woman, half snake creature who gives birth to many of the famous monsters. In this context, the controlled shadow realm version of the Lamia would be the echidna. You make it into the shadow realm because you've died. But once in the shadow realm, you reset, you start again. Insane. Not insane. You start sane. So you're back to clarity. Except if you don't understand how it works, it's only a matter of time before you're right back to feral. Yeah, but you've left the body. You no longer need the blood requirements, but you still need what you were getting from the blood, which is the fear. But you no longer need the blood. So you got some time now that you've died and gone to the other side. And that brings us to the echidna, this creature that seems to be an ethereal shadow ghost. Like half woman, half snake, sort of faded silhouette thing that shows up. And it does not eat people. It sort of scares people to death. Oh, haunts them. It surrounds your house.

Cristina: It wants to fear.

Jack: Wants a fear.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It shows up. It surrounds your house. It hits things. It'll be inside. It'll run up to you. It just scare you and disappear right into your face. It's a horrifying f****** monster that's just trying to scare the living f*** out of you.

Cristina: And it's also having babies.

Jack: According to the narrative, it's having babies. But when you look at the stories that are mentioned relative to this creature, there's not one mention of it. That's specifically the Greek narrative. That's the main Greek narrative. That's full of bullshit.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Again, we never take the main narrative at face value. It's always a lie.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We gotta take the details and. Yeah, so most of the narrative fits. The having babies part does not. But the having babies part is only mentioned in the main narrative and does not get mentioned ever again.

Cristina: Okay, so he. It's a ghost haunting.

Jack: It's a ghost haunting. And it's mentioned follows the dates that directly stop mentioning the dracaena.

Cristina: So that wild creature self died. Feral being. Maybe someone finally got it killed or something.

Jack: Yes. And then we have the ghost. The ghost.

Cristina: That's cool.

Jack: Eventually that must go feral, though.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because again, it's still uninformed. It's just a random thing. And then we get to something called the basilisk.

Cristina: Basilisk. And it's.

Jack: What is it described as? A deadly, mindless serpent spirit driven purely by instinct and fear.

Cristina: Of course. That sounds right. That sounds so right that all these match up in how they saw it.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: They are all the stages of this creature's life.

Jack: They're all the stages of the creature's life. And they're all top, woman, bottom, serpent.

Cristina: Has to be the same.

Jack: And we found the origin.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We can track this very instance to the very pit.

Cristina: This is crazy.

Jack: It's actually the first time we could do that.

Cristina: Yeah. Whoa.

Jack: Yeah. This is the clearest we've ever had.

Cristina: A situation that just lines up with every thing we thought about these creatures and how it works.

Jack: Yes. This answers many questions. Yes. As we were theorizing is the accurate turn of how it works. Every theory we had about how adrenochrome affects the body and what we are really getting from adrenochrome, which is ultimately the fear. And it's hard to even understand what exactly the concept of fear really is in a sort of tangible way.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because we're definitely not grasping it. We don't understand. Fear is something different to these things in general.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because why can these things tune into it? Must have already been something else. Why aren't they tuning into our happiness? You know, weren't they tuning into our sadness?

Cristina: Yeah. Because it's all the same. Well, to us, we think they're all the same.

Jack: Exactly. So it's. Fear is inherently something different.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And again, not just to the creatures. Because fear is what adrenochrome is. It's blood with adrenaline caused by fear.

Cristina: Yes. What is Happening. Okay.

Jack: We know Santa Claus, Mr. Clever, got planet Earth just having tiny little bits of faint fear. We know kids exaggerate smallest amount of fear. And he just needs kids to have a little bit of fear. He doesn't eat children. He doesn't do anything. He's just casual.

Cristina: But has accessed by it, though. So, like all of them.

Jack: But he's not some sort of creature. He's still, it seems, a necromancer. And necromancers can still wield things for power instead of having. Which he also has a stone on his staff.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So he has a stone and he's overpowered. That explains a lot. He has crazy powers. Entirely due to the fact that he has stones and still manipulating fear globally.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know. But we know he's not. He's not a human. He was a human once upon a time. Yes, but he is.

Jack: I mean, he might still be a human. We don't know what really to describe necromancers as.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Like, I think.

Cristina: But it does seem like they all went through death.

Jack: Yes, you're totally right. You're totally right. It seems in a couple of. In. You're totally right. Yes. In a couple of instances, there have been mentions that it appears to be that they must intentionally go through a process that they will die in. And that's where the original association with necromancers and death comes from. And if he is using necromancer abilities and is in any manner, shape or form, even scratching the powers of a necromancer, which we don't know. He's one of the only examples we have with, like, visible things that we can point at and be like, oh, this must be working in my favor. Like, yeah, definitely. It's hard to even grasp. But he had to die.

Cristina: I think.

Jack: So we know at least. Homer. Not Homer. Hermes. Jesus. Jesus. The best example, because, again, he couldn't go in there and do it. Dying was literally part of it.

Cristina: Yeah, it's part of the plan. That's crazy.

Jack: He's built in his own death. He managed to build the gates knowing he would need them to get back. He got back somewhere else entirely, so they couldn't stop him.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But he needed to die to do it.

Cristina: I'm pretty sure Patrick had a die too.

Jack: Maybe. I mean, the fact that he's so exaggeratedly overpowered and can so easily deal with even fairies.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Necromancers can't be touched.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Then the question that we have is, is Mab's problem? The Elysians or is Mab's problem that the Elysians are connected with Hermes? Is Hermes the issue? Is Jesus the issue? We know the Alicians at least had a heart attack after they lost control of that situation.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Get the out of here. We're all she was also fearing could totally be. Is Jesus gonna easily show up in El Fame and smack everybody around effortlessly? Sounds like Hermes can.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like I'd be shook too, if I made your universe and you can come over here and just f*** me.

Cristina: Mm. That's crazy.

Jack: But here we have the proof that it kind of works. As we suspected it would work.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: As we have talked that it would work for years. And it played out.

Cristina: Made from adrenochrome transforming.

Jack: And we can. There's. I didn't put the dates here, but the dates kind of follow one another in the right order.

Cristina: That's so crazy because it's exactly what we thought.

Jack: It's exactly what we thought in narrative form. Although the original narrative muddies it up. And unclear is everything we're looking at. Thank you to all the other record keepers. Primarily Homer and Apollonius, who had meticulous notes.

Cristina: That's nice.

Jack: And as we know, Apollonius is really just Apollo. And Apollo directly knew Hermes because they were both present with Aristotle.

Cristina: Ridiculous.

Jack: At the school. Lycium. Yep. Everything connects.

Cristina: Everything connects. Yeah.

Jack: And somehow the problem is how the h*** did Jesus come in contact with anybody? Did Jesus didn't go to Elysium. How did Jesus. Jesus is so complicated.

Cristina: I don't know. He has some. I don't know.

Jack: He has some connection somewhere. Somewhere he must. Or he figured it out. But how? We're talking. The Elysians were definitely trying to figure this s*** out. And you alone with no help from anybody. Get the f*** out of here, bro.

Cristina: He had to have help. If he didn't like how.

Jack: Oh, s***. I just had a theory right now. It just came to me. Well. Well, I guess it kinda does make sense that he would just know. Let's look at the evidence. What is the biggest problem with Jesus that caused everybody to go.

Cristina: Everyone knew about him.

Jack: Everybody knew about him. What does that tell us? He's sending a mental wave of some sort.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah. It's coming from him.

Jack: It's coming from him outward. He was throwing a beacon back in time into the future. And in the present. This is where I am. Everybody was having visions, dreams, and everything about where he is.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now what do we know? Following logical standing. If we think about Santa, what's one of the most Exaggerated things about Santa being everywhere. He just knows what you're doing casually.

Cristina: That's pretty powerful stuff.

Jack: Is that mental blast or whatever the f*** when Jesus was born.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So if Santa, some underpowered thing compared.

Cristina: To Jesus can do it, still know everything.

Jack: He could literally just know everything. Yes, as long as you know it. And as long as you don't have some sort of magneto brain cover protecting you from him looking into your mind or whatever. And even if maybe he's not. Not even looking at your mind, maybe he can just witness moments in space and time.

Cristina: Jesus is. I guess, I mean, that's why he's a God. He is God. He's the son of God. He is God though. That's a God power.

Jack: Yeah. You couldn't hide from him if you wanted to. He just knows. Okay. We hid it over there. Yeah. I know where they hit it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, he'll never find out about these things. Oh yeah. I can just see their library and I can just see them doing the research.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, how could they really hide?

Jack: How could you really hide? But in return, the flaw with that logic is why are you looking for them if you know where they are?

Cristina: Yes. So they must have figured out a way to block him. To block him? Yes. Yes. Yes.

Jack: Which means. Yes. Going to Atlantis was very intentional. Going to Atlantis also meant that's where they had built the protection field that prevents him from seeing them. He has no idea where Atlantis is.

Cristina: No.

Jack: They know how to become invisible.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Not just literally cloaking, but they know.

Cristina: How to block their minds.

Jack: Yeah, they know how to block s***. But then that comes up to the. Let's go back to the point again. If Jesus is so freaking overpowered and you can so easily just hide from him, then his map scared of you and not Jesus. At this point, the argument really stands on one thing. One of these guys is who worried this lady. It's either the Elysians and Jehovah.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or it was Jesus, which is a product of the Elysians and Jehovah. Anyways. But you know, we're still counting them as two separate entities, ultimately one two different units. And one of these units is triggering this lady into mobilizing elves into Stop. Could be basically being firewalls and trying to stop anybody else from getting to this level of power and trying to literally suppress the Elysians who went into hiding. And just who is she scared of? Is it Jesus or is the Alicians? They're not on the same side. One of those can easily side with her. To stop the other.

Cristina: I don't know. That's tricky. I don't know. It feels like it has to be Jesus because that's probably when she realized. No, like it is the Elysians, but it's because of Jesus that it's the Elysian.

Jack: Oh, like they could do some this. They could do this s*** again.

Cristina: Yes. And they probably would. They probably would. I don't know if they just learned their lessons. I feel like they're the type of scientists that are like, okay, plan one didn't work, let's go to plan two. Well, which is how we got other versions of Jesus that were way weaker after him. Like obviously they don't.

Jack: No, those were different people that was. We can follow him literally walking. Or do you mean like Muhammad and things like that? Because the people who were happening at the same time, we're not literally the same time. Kind of like this. We can track their dates back to back and we can follow every step Jesus took all the way to Japan. That was the same one, dude. That wasn't different people.

Cristina: No, I'm talking about like what's his name? Like the golem thing.

Jack: Oh, yes, yes. But that doesn't seem to have been Jehovah. That seems to have been information that came from the shadow realm. Kind of like the Viking forest. It was just something from the shadow and suspectedly that was Yaldabaoth just doing his own thing. Doing his own thing. And we know he did that with Eloi. He, you know, kind of influenced him. Like, hey, you could do this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Kind of do it that way.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: Yeah. But Jesus being this level of overpowered and Jehovah's ability to easily make more Jesus becomes kind of a problem, especially because like, you don't know if they're gonna become good or bad.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And like this Jesus, at least not a threat it seems, because he directly preaches peace, love and happiness. And his whole path, every single stop he made for rest. The narrative is the same. He took care of us. He told us to love one another and treat each other really well. And he just kept going on his way.

Cristina: We know the ultimate plan is some weird war against the sea people.

Jack: Well, this is the most important part of this entire episode right here because we are way over time and we have to address this. Anyways, the narrative of Jesus, without diving into the separate cross reference parts, just the book itself, the Holy Bible, which is a rewrite of true events into this warped version by the Templar.

Cristina: Okay, right, yeah.

Jack: It tells us a very important Thing about Jesus. But we also have to remember who's telling us the story. It tells us what's gonna happen with Jesus. What's gonna happen with Jesus?

Cristina: That he's gonna come back.

Jack: Yes. And who's telling us the story?

Cristina: Let's see, people.

Jack: Which tells us what? There's an inherent plan to make another one. There's an inherent plan to make another one. Another Jesus. There's an inherent plan in the book written, telling us there's another Jesus coming. We don't know what Jesus looks like specifically. They can make him look like whatever the f*** they want. Anybody they want. We just know that a person who fits the abilities and characteristics as mentioned in the book about Jesus is gonna return. That doesn't mean literally return. That's just what they want us to believe. Because they are the people who make this.

Cristina: Exactly. Okay, so they are planning.

Jack: Yes. Within the book. We literally have. We literally have their plan.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's telling us eventually we're gonna create another one. But we can't tell them it's another one.

Cristina: No. Because we don't want them to worry.

Jack: Yeah, well, no. We wouldn't even know. We think it's all one person anyways. We didn't know that he was even made.

Cristina: That's true. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. But the book directly. With all the information we have, the book directly tells us another one's happening. Another one's gonna happen. There was the plan. Always. The plan is we're gonna make a perfect version.

Cristina: That is horrifying. I don't know. I mean, like, if it works. But what does it mean? That it worked too.

Jack: Doesn't matter. The point ultimately comes down to the fact that that's whose map Mab is afraid of, like you said.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Maybe she's scared that they're gonna make another one.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And that one will be even harder to control.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Or not a good guy, especially in today's world. You want an overpowered, beyond godlike thing to have been raised by a current day human woman? We're f*****.

Cristina: I don't know their plan. Well, we don't understand their plan, but obviously they told us their plan. Like we know it's happening. Interesting.

Jack: More is to come.

Cristina: More is to come inevitably.

Jack: According to the Holy Bible.

Cristina: That's crazy. Yes. Okay.

Jack: The Knights Templar, controlled by the Elysian, specifically put in a book the corrected narrative that Jesus is coming back. We know Jesus is essentially a lab experiment. What does it mean that he's coming back if they can't control him? Means they're making another one.

Cristina: They're making another one.

Jack: So you were right about that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Anyways, that's what we got.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Yeah. So if you guys have any comments, questions, concerns, and if you guys want to yell at me for always being so ruthless to Christina, feel free. You guys can come and yell at me, too. You know. You guys know how it goes. You can do that and hate on us on our socials, at Just Combo pod on Twitter, which is X on Facebook, on Instagram, wherever the h***, just search it.

Cristina: Just combo pod. Remember to subscribe, rate, and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And word of mouth is one of the most important, overpowered things that exists. So tell people about the program and the fact that we're finding all these weird things.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: Sam.

Cristina: Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

August 03, 2024

Rambling 284: Sketchy Deal

August 03, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Who is the Boy boy by the Bridge? What is the Clinton Furnace? And who owns the area? The duo continue deep diving into the records of Clinton Road and its surrounding forest in an attempt to discover the origin of the Spacetime Distortions in the area. What’s uncovered is both shocking and exceptionally strange and mysterious. What does it mean? Anyone’s guess. Join us and find out what our duo uncover!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Boy by the Bridge
The Lady in White
Clinton Furnace
Newark Watershed Organization
Mysterious Contracts

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcription

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And so let's do a quick recap for anybody who is new and anybody who needs the recap that might have missed a couple of episodes. We totally got off the Elysians because we loot. You're using all of their awesome knowledge to find weird things current day instead of keep digging infinitely into the past. And boy, have we found some s***. So for anybody not aware using current day, I mean, using the knowledge we acquired from the past, we've looked at a couple of different things, including some ancient structures like Stonehenge. And we looked at the comparison. Yes. We looked at mysterious places. We looked at Skywalker Ranch. We looked at basically a bunch of things just using the acquired information. And in doing so we came across a couple of patterns. And then we applied these patterns to things we're personally familiar with because we can go investigate these things. And so in doing so, we've been going through Clinton Road making sense of the weirdness that happened 15 years ago. And we've actually come to some interesting informational conclusions using the cross reference information we have. Great. Fantastic. A couple of those details included an episode per episode take on all the different sections of things that are just echoes, things that are some phantoms of some sort, and actual total significant things. And within those groups we've come across other things to look at. Primarily the. The big focus that we had was to see what is out there that we can ground.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we went on the path of the. The lady.

Cristina: Yeah. Whether she's a shadow person or whatever. Yes, whatever she is.

Jack: And so we investigated that and there's a lot about her. It turns out as we deducted that there might be one person, might be one person. And there seems to be a literal timeline happening, a point in which they start to show up and a bunch of events that follow it. It looks like a girl shows up and then she's in panic for years. And slowly as time goes by, she's more adjusted to her scenario. Kind of like somebody got lost in the shadow realm and had to acclimate, but was scared at the beginning when we were seeing her. Scared. And then over time very adapted and over time trying to investigate the scenario, no longer scared of it. And eventually looks like a scientist almost Investigating and running tests out there. Almost ignoring the people that she sees. And that's weird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Specifically, something about the lake. She's taking samples and doing something to the lake. The lake is something important, although we can't tell what.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And we can't tell whether she was living in the castle or if that was a base of operations of some sort. Because a lot of times I just saw her hanging out, like, living there.

Cristina: I don't think she's living there because there's so much happening there that there's no way you can live there when.

Jack: There'S so much unless there's nothing happening. And all the people we see live there.

Cristina: That's a lot of people. Could be.

Jack: Could definitely be. So that's where we were. And one of the thing. One of the notes we came across was a couple of notes, actually, public records, mentioning this girl along with the boy. Those two separate occasions when she was seen with the boy. Once at the bridge and another one, another spot. And so I went ahead and I looked at the boy in particular, because we got the lady. And the lady is connected to another human. Who's the young boy on top of that. The lady began as a girl. Looked like a young girl in 1950, 1965. But the word girl became a lady, and the word lady became a woman as time went by. Giving us a visual that people are describing what they seem to be like.

Cristina: Aging person.

Jack: An aging person. The term seems accurate to them when they're describing it. Began with girl, cross through lady, and ended up a woman. That's an aging person. And by the understandings we have, people who age must be from this side. At least that's what it seems like to us.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess. Because we don't know what's happening.

Jack: Yes. We have no clue. So let us begin by showing you some images. And I want you to just tell the listeners what it is you're looking at. That's all that matters.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: They're going to see the images and post, like, the episode thumbnail and stuff like that. But it is very important that you look at this and tell me what it is you see.

Cristina: Are you somehow related to each other?

Jack: The same place?

Cristina: Okay, the first one. Because the first one, I can't really tell what it is.

Jack: Ruins.

Cristina: It's ruins. Yeah. The second one is a doorway into the ruins. Unless this is the tower or castle, whatever. No, but it doesn't look like a castle. And the third one, it looks like just a building in the forest.

Jack: Yeah. These are different angles at the same place.

Cristina: The third one doesn't look real, though.

Jack: No, the third one isn't real.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Is that like, what people think?

Jack: No, that's what it looks like. That's what it used to look like.

Cristina: What? Yeah, like what it used to look like, but like what people think it used to look like.

Jack: No, that's what it looks like. That's what it used to look like. Exactly what it used to look like. It just so happens to be a perfect rendition instead of a sort of rustic looking one. The idea was to get a perfect visual of what it looks like.

Jack: Which.

Cristina: It looks like a house, I guess. I don't know. It looks strange. It doesn't look like a house either. It looks like a building, but it doesn't look like anything.

Jack: Okay, saying it doesn't look like this, it doesn't look like that. Not helpful. Describe what you're looking at. You describe the doorway. That's.

Cristina: There's a doorway. There's a fireplace. I think there's something in the bottom. I don't know what that is. That's round, going down. Like a pipe. Yes, There you go. Pipe. There's a pipe.

Jack: A pipe. Doing what? Saying there's a pipe means nothing. There's a pipe going from the base wall down to a different. Down to. It turns down into another level. That's a description right there. It's turning from a second story down into a first story. The chimney you're describing is connected to the building, but towards the largest fragment of it. There are three different fragments to the tower, as far as we can tell. And we can confirm that based on the structure that we're looking at, where we can't see the other parts of it. It does have a triangular form. So there must be a more steady form behind it, which in other images you'll notice not. And I don't have the image here, but the. In the bottom image, you're looking at where the smaller piece that's actually behind the two images we're looking at.

Cristina: So there's two ways in.

Jack: There's not. I mean, yeah, sure, there's two ways in, but what you're looking at is. Yeah, yeah. So you're looking at the back of it and then the bottom one, we're looking at the front of it. That's technically the actual front.

Cristina: The bottom image, the bottom one is so dark, I can't tell if there's windows. Is there windows?

Jack: There are windows, yes.

Cristina: Okay. Because I know it look really strange if it's just two ways in and then windows. But okay, so there's windows. It looks like it's made out of some kind of brick.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And I'm not sure what it's supposed to. Like maybe it's a home.

Jack: It's not a home. Doesn't matter what you think it is. Just describe what you see.

Cristina: Yeah, that's all I see. A building, a forest.

Jack: All right, I'll keep adding some details. Yes. It's made out of a red and brown brick style. The main attraction here is the centerpiece that seems to be the focal point of almost every image. And the rest of the structures kind of fade away to the background. The tower has been knocked down over time. That's the most collapsed part. You can actually see it on the other side here. The building is towards the front and you can see the tower towards the back there. And the original building was well known for what you see here, the green. It was covered in moss everywhere. That doesn't get seen in the newer versions because the forest around it has been sort of killed by its own ruins.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah. Preventing the. It sort of covered the ability for dirt to grow grass and s***. So it's ruins are stopping the growth. And so the moss has vanished. And so everything is kind of disappeared. But ultimately it was very covered. Now what you're looking at is called the furnace.

Cristina: Furnace.

Jack: Yes. What you're looking at is called the furnace. And the furnace. That's why it has a chimney. That's where you would let the smoke out. The background pipe is to run different materials. And it's in facility. I cannot tell you what the f*** this was used for originally. There are so many stories, it's not even worth getting into. I'm not talking about what it was used for. Too many things. It's a furnace. Think of uses for it. People were using it for that. Whatever you can think of using cremation. Somebody cremated somebody there. You need to get rid of material that's toxic. Somebody did that in there. It's a furnace. It was used for whatever they say.

Cristina: It was used for. Whatever.

Jack: Yes. I'm telling you what? I'm telling you what. All the information I've acquired. Oh, I'm not adding any sauce to anything.

Cristina: Anything. Okay.

Jack: That was a furnace and was used for many things. I'm not sure which one of them were actually used for. These are just different things it could have been used for. So we're not even gonna bother talking about that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because I know you will. We're not Gonna break into what it was used for because it doesn't matter to the ultimate bigger picture of what we're gonna talk about.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The point of this furnace is that in looking for the kid, I found this. This is one of the places the kid was found. Really? Yeah.

Cristina: What? So that's somewhere in.

Jack: This is the Clinton furnace.

Cristina: Whoa. It's just in the middle of nowhere.

Jack: Just in the woods.

Cristina: That's. That's pretty creepy. But okay, yes.

Jack: So the bridge, very prominent location for the child. The furnace, second, very prominent location for the child. They show up in other places. These are the two most consistent, like last time, a bunch of records that I even put timelines about how often they were mentioned within these gaps. Same idea, except I'm not doing that timeline thing. But these were the two most extreme mentions at the bridge. But we've heard that one a lot.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And looking into that, found very little. Yeah, the furnace, weird anomaly. You start looking into the furnace, you find the furnace's existence. You find public records of the kid being mentioned. Oh, there's been a lost boy. We think we saw a boy loss. We think we saw runaway by there. All these different scenarios of there's a young boy somewhere around the ruins of the furnace.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Okay, okay, so that was interesting. So I start looking into the furnace.

Cristina: It has to be a hotspot, right?

Jack: It has to be a hot spot. Or it doesn't have to be a hot spot, but there's something weird about the furnace. And then we find only even in public records, even in documentations of construction, even. There's no direct link as to why this exists, just theories as to why it was there and what it was being used for. Yeah, very strange.

Cristina: How long ago do you have, like a year it was made or something?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Oh, wow.

Jack: No, it's just very obscure information on this. It's sort of unknown.

Cristina: It's just, it's a mystery.

Jack: It's a legitimate mystery.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: So I was, I wanted to know who owns this right now, who owns that? And like it's somebody's property. Otherwise I could just go there and say, it's mine. Yeah, somebody owns it.

Jack: So I look at who owns it and okay, it lands right back where we started. It was owned by the Newark Watershed Conservation and Development Corporation, the people who own the woods.

Cristina: Okay, so what were they doing?

Jack: Yeah, exactly. The problem is that existed already and it was bought by NORC when the other guy died. Okay, so we're gonna talk about that for a second. What do we what do you remember specifically about that? Or should I just go into it and not bother.

Cristina: Let me try. Let me try a little. Okay. See, they were hired to investigate the kkk. I think that's what I remember.

Jack: Okay, I'll jump into it. When the owner died, his. Their family. His family sold the property, the castle and the land to the NORC Watershed Organization, the new Watershed.

Cristina: Did you?

Jack: Yes, I did.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The Newark Watershed Organization was then contacted by the mayor.

Cristina: That's what I remember, the mayor.

Jack: So that they can work. I mean, they were. Contact. Yeah. The Norquater Shed and the mayor. Yeah. Mayor of West Milford work together to investigate because there were reports of cult activity. And so they go and research, come up with nothing. The guy retires, and then we get mentions of the kkk.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: They were just working along. So the structure existed before that. They acquired the property, the castle. And that was on the property. So that's theirs too. So that's what the background to that was, wasn't. They were hired to look at the kkk.

Cristina: Because at that time, people were just.

Jack: Cool with the kkk. Unless you were black.

Cristina: Okay. It was about the Colts.

Jack: Yeah. So when Richard J. Cross died, who is a former owner, is when it was acquired. Now looking at the Newark Watershed Conservation and Development Corporation, which for short, I might just call NORC Watershed.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: NORC Watershed was being investigated for corruption from 2008 to 2013. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they were found guilty in 2013 for corruption. Yes.

Cristina: Okay. What are they doing?

Jack: Key thing to matter about here is ownership of the entire property shifts to the city of Newark in 2013, where it has ignored the forest facilities since. Now, Newark Watershed was in charge of maintaining and taking care of the forest. And in the 1950s, as it was falling into disrepair, people started hanging out in that area. And that's what you know. There's kids hanging out in there and we got these reports of satanic things. We cannot have kids trying to think it's fun and scary and go check it out. That's dangerous. We gotta investigate, make sure there's nothing there. So when kids show up, they don't eventually, you know, what was it, 1988 like? You just knock it down. Kids are still going to this f****** day. And that s***'s dangerous now. It's falling apart so much, it's dangerous. Just knock it down so nobody gets hurt out there.

Cristina: Which one they're knocking down? The castle.

Jack: Yeah, the castle. This is about the castle. But so they. When newark acquired in 2013, they just ignored it. But it was already in disrepair. So it was nothing. It's like at least nobody's stealing money and saying they're. So what are the charges that they were given that they were in fact guilty for? So two charges. Let's unpack the first one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The first charge is kickback schemes. I'll explain. A kickback scheme is when you create a loop scenario where you get profit off of money that was supposed to go for something else. Usually we call that taking off the top.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Right. So what was happening? No maintenance or oversight was being performed specifically on the property of Clinton Road. The surrounding forests and structures. Specifically on that. They. The Northwatershed organization owns a bunch of things.

Cristina: And they just abandoned it? Pretty much.

Jack: Well, they abandoned this place. They own a bunch of things. They're in charge of maintaining a bunch of places. And they just don't do that for Clinton Road or the forest specifically. That area. All their other s*** is well maintained. And Clinton Road is so wide and the things are so hard to locate within it that there's no point. You could just take them out their word. Whatever. Who's out there anyways? Right. Funding provided by the city of Newark for the property, for maintaining the property was paid to shell companies owned by members of the organization. So fake. Other companies would come in and maintain with the budget provided by. But those companies were owned by the members. Fun. And no worker was sent in to maintain anything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So all of it, a hundred percent of it is pocket money. On top of the fact that goes through somebody's quote company, unquote. So they get more money through tax and stuff. Because you're running a business.

Cristina: That's so strange that they would pick the spots and just ignore.

Jack: It is so strange. I would pick this spot to be fair. So strange.

Cristina: Wonder why.

Jack: Right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're just stealing the money. That seems like the logical reason. Nobody's gonna look at this. Just stealing the money. What else could we say it is? Right. It's a bunch of people. They know all the property is in ruins or so distant into the woods. And people don't normally get out of their car. Most people are scared. And the few people who make it that far, they're already careful enough. Do this frequently. It's like there's no worries here. Really. Really?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Even the investigation from the 50s was just for caution. No kid is going to go and really get hurt because these are thrill seekers. Which means they're usually the more cautious individuals because they're familiar with thrill seeking. So what do you do? You pocket the money. This is stupid project. We acquired the thing and whatever.

Cristina: Well.

Jack: So what's interesting is in the document, it elaborates as this has been going on for about 70 years.

Cristina: How many? Seven.

Jack: 70 years.

Cristina: 70. Oh, okay.

Jack: Whoa. It could not have been the same people. 70 years is aggressively long. You tell me 20 years, I can believe the same people were doing it. You tell me 70 years. That's two entire lifetimes. If you started at one person, he died, and now another person, then he died. Now that next person is in charge.

Cristina: That's possible.

Jack: Yeah. Except why are they still running this system? Nobody came through who wasn't corrupt.

Cristina: Yeah, well, if they hire the people that are. I don't know. That's interesting.

Jack: Fair enough. Maybe Norquatershed was selecting its employees. Yeah, like, oh, I. I want to lift this guy from this other place and bring him with us. And it's like, you definitely work with him in other places. Probably mentioned, hey, I got some opportunities, you know, if you. If you could be trusted.

Cristina: It became a family business thing. Like, okay, my children.

Jack: Yes, essentially. Right. The names of the individuals, irrelevant. We look at them and it goes nowhere. It's just. They were really just racking in the money. That's it. It's just weird corruption thing. But I don't know. This is weird.

Cristina: Yeah. For seven, 70 years.

Jack: That's crazy about 70 years. And because for 70 years it wasn't maintained. That's why the castle went to disrepair. That's why everything became ruins. Nothing was being maintained and now nothing is left. Yeah, I mean, there's stuff out there, but none of it is maintained. So that is the first charge. The second charge is where it gets a little more interesting because the second charge was bribery.

Cristina: Who are they bribing? Okay, what's going on?

Jack: Well, members of the NORC Watershed organization were receiving third party donations in exchange for not performing all of their duties.

Cristina: Oh, okay. I see. They're getting money from whoever's using the forest to do whatever the mysterious things that people are saying that are happening there. Okay.

Jack: Emails, wire transfers, as well as paper trails dating more than two thirds of a century backed the investigation and the conviction of the members.

Cristina: So it's been happening since the beginning of 70 years to current day?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Well, not current, but when they decided to do something about it.

Jack: So I. We. There's a lot of math we have to think about right now. 70 years. This happens. The conviction in 2013. If we count backwards, where do we land? You take 10 from 70, you make it 60, that leaves you to 2003. Now you subtract 60 and that takes you to 1940.

Cristina: Okay, 1943.

Jack: Yeah. Right. Now this is, this is where it's going to get a little interesting. And we got to unpack some of these details. Now first. Weird. Before I go on to the next, let's. Let's unpack this real quick. Definitely. It sounds like you're right. There's this third party who's bribing them. Is bribing them for them ignoring the thing. Yes, because it doesn't say what duties they were to ignore. The two charges don't seem in paperwork related, but they're obviously to us. Yeah. You telling me they're being bribed to not do their job and telling me that they were receiving all the money provided for a job that was given directly to them and they were supposed to put for the thing, but they just pocketed and said that's the reality of what's happening here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Two quote, unrelated, obviously related.

Cristina: Oh my gosh, it's so wrong.

Jack: It's weird too. So who is the third party? And none of you. Like, who the f***? Why are you guys okay with it instead of reporting? Then again, you don't care to be.

Cristina: With the cult, though. It's like the most. Like you were. That was the first time we hear of them. Like, oh, solve that cult problem. And like that cult problem probably took care of them. That's probably where it starts. I don't know. I don't remember what year that starts, though.

Jack: Well, here's what's interesting, right? Because we assume it makes sense that this has been going on since it got bought, except it got bought in 1919. And if it got bought in 1919, then nothing makes less sense than 70 years back. Because even if we started at the year 2000, it would be 80 years already just to get to 1920. Then we'd have to add another 10 years to get to 2010. So that's 90. Or it's almost 100 years apart, but we're seeing 70. And when we do the math, we land in the 40s, 43. And when we find out when the lady was first mentioned, it's 1965.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We're in the ballpark of something that's happening, but it's unclear what the f*** is happening. We're just insignificant time. So let's dive a little deeper into this. So the two primary members, everybody else was given fines. Everybody else was given jail time. These two spearheaders were given prison time.

Cristina: Okay, cool.

Jack: Now let's unpack the details here. The bribery was. So they discontinue monitoring, specifically the forest. I find that later in the original documents for the courts, in the original case files, they were reported as separate, different cases. And there was almost an attempt, an intentionality to not relate them. It looked very intentional. There was never anybody who clearly stated, well, somebody was doing something in the forest if you guys weren't mentioned. Nowhere. But like, could it be any more obvious?

Cristina: Yes. Who is this? Other people? Where's that? Courtroom.

Jack: Yeah. And like the fact that there was no attempt to connect the dots. There was no attempt on record to connect the dots, but you could find anywhere else that the theories of people just. Yeah, it was definitely that they were getting paid for. Like, people know this. It's just common knowledge that this. Whoever this group was, was clearly paying these people to go in and out. But no document says it. No official court document says it. No official public document says it that they're related. Yeah. You find other non officialized documents throughout time that mention things.

Cristina: None of it mentions who this other party could be.

Jack: No. So, yeah. To allow the third party free access to the lands was ultimately the point. Weirdly enough, the third party's name had been redacted anywhere it had been mentioned.

Cristina: So they know who it is.

Jack: Yep. From everywhere. Doesn't matter where. And there again was an intentionality to not mention their name in a lot of places where it would be obvious that you would. In a proper court structure, you'd probably restructure this to forcefully include the name as often as possible, to reference back as often as possible. Just obviously absent from places. You'd structure things intentionally to have it weird.

Cristina: So they knew. They knew and. But for some reason, you can't say it.

Jack: The city of Nork. No, I don't know if West Milford had any f******.

Cristina: Yeah, but they. The city. What? Okay.

Jack: And I don't know what's happening because again, the mayor of Milford was concerned about weird things. He was the one staging organized like, you know, let's go investigate.

Cristina: Yes. And then he quit. So was he bribed to quit or something?

Jack: Something scary must have happened to him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the paper trail extends straight into the very first initial agreement that was signed by this redacted named company. You know what this reminds me of? When we first found the trade route that goes to Epstein's Island. It was a whole episode. And this reminds me of that. I mean, it was like a shipping spot that was Just on this island.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it would only take one trip, and it was to the Epstein's island. This reminds me of that level of sketch of, like, somebody went far to make this vanish.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The paper trail goes all the way to 8-3-19. That is the first sighting of the document. 8-3-19.

Cristina: How did they do it, though?

Jack: Like, it.

Cristina: That's so crazy that you said 70 years.

Jack: Like, how it has to be intentional with people hiring. They had to be hand picking everybody intentionally.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It was gonna eventually collapse. It's crazy it lasted that long.

Cristina: Yeah. That's so crazy. Make it last that long.

Jack: But that means they were slipping and that's why they were put on there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Something was giving, and it was becoming too visible. And it was that time for the city to be like, you guys are not trustworthy anymore for whatever reason.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because they didn't go in and do anything. In fact, now it's less guarded. It's actively less guarded. And nobody's taking money for it. Nobody's been pretending to garden. Now it's just not guarded.

Cristina: I don't understand. Oh, maybe whoever this third party was realized, like, it doesn't matter. We don't have to keep paying these people. Like, they got them in trouble because now they don't have to bribe them because they know, like, okay, we. The laws make sense now that we don't need them.

Jack: Yeah, Fair. Maybe. It could totally be the case.

Cristina: Things are gonna just work out for us because there's no.

Jack: Yeah. They could have structural structured things in such a way that they're like, we couldn't get caught. And if we did get caught, we couldn't get in trouble.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Like, definitely. It could be. I don't know what the logic behind it is, but it's just a weird shift. This suddenly happened. Something made the Newark Watershed Organization irrelevant. Suddenly.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Not sure what, but something did. And it could have totally been that.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Weird. And here's the thing. We had a period of random cars coming in and out. This sketchy. Unmarked black vehicles coming in and out. This gets signed in 1935, in 1939. And then in 1965. Actually, I have the thing right here. See, the very first mention.

Cristina: Oh, the cars.

Jack: Of the woman is actually 1965. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, 1965. And then where do we get mentions of the cars? Blah, blah, blah. No, 1966. Immediately following the lady. Okay, 1965 is when the lady shows up. 1966 is the cars. 1939 is when the agreement was signed. Now, I had to add this extra note here because of the nature of the situation, but I'm gonna scroll up to that real quick and I'm going to tell you something that is very exaggeratedly interesting. And we can unpack it after I say it. I don't know what it means or what it should mean. Let's unpack some of the acquisition details.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In 1919, Clinton Road is acquired by the NORC Watershed Organization. In 1939, the Sketchy Deal is performed. That is August 31st, the Last Thursday and day of the month. Why did I feel it was relevant to point that out? The Newark Watershed Organization signs a donor agreement on that date with a third party donor to leave Clinton Road and the surrounding forest unmaintained and unpatrolled. Now, why is the date so significant?

Cristina: I don't know. And tries to guess. I don't know.

Jack: The very, very, very next day is the beginning of World War II. The very next day this gets signed, and the very next day is the beginning of World War II. I don't know if that's relevant in any manner, shape or form. The very next day World War II started.

Cristina: Okay. Now is it coincidence? Yeah.

Jack: Now let's talk about this coincidence real quick. There's three pieces in here that make a lot of sense for what I just said. I don't know what they mean.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The date this was signed. Sightings of the KKK at the castle. And one other piece that stops it from being coincidences, but suddenly makes it something to observe. How do we start the episode with a boy. Where?

Cristina: In the furnace place.

Jack: There's nothing more N*** Germany than a furnace. Oh, we have the KKK, a furnace and the date before World War II all in the same place.

Cristina: Because we have no idea if that is the kkk.

Jack: We have no idea. We also know that druids look identical to a cloaked man. So, you know, just random details that just seem to build patterns. I don't know what that means. I don't know what the relevance of this date was. I was looking, what significant thing happened around here. Googling and s***. I'm like, what the f***? World War I started the very next day. Hours from this point.

Cristina: Interesting. I don't know. It's just weird. I don't know.

Jack: It's just weird. I also don't know.

Cristina: The boy. If there was other beings around the furnace, that'd be interesting. Like other ghosts.

Jack: There have been. There's just no repetition.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The boy is who's often seen there.

Cristina: Yeah, he Definitely feels like an echo type of thing. But then he's in two places.

Jack: He's in two places. And we know he's not an echo because of one detail. He interacts with the woman we know isn't an echo and that unless she's playing a role to look like an echo herself.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: But she interacts with the boy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the boy isn't an echo, but he's always like.

Cristina: They never say he's doing something like, what is he doing here?

Jack: I don't know. He's always hanging around the furnace and he's always by the bridge. One or the other. It could just be a legit hangout spot by the bridge. Again, we've seen kids. Apparently they like to come close to the road and see people from the other side us roaming by. This could be that same thing. Kids is cool spot to see people from the other side.

Cristina: But if he and the girl are the same, why doesn't he age?

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. And weirdly enough, I had the same thought and I looked.

Cristina: Is there a man?

Jack: No, no. The boy is always the boy from beginning, straight through. The boy is always a boy.

Cristina: He's a ghost. No matter what he is some kind of ghostly figure.

Jack: He might actually be a jinn. He might actually be a jinn who's achieving human like features somehow. I don't know. I don't know. The boy is weird. There was no age attached to it. It never became a teenager. It was never a young man. It was never an older. There's nothing. No, it's always a boy. Always a young boy. And that's weird because the lady aged around him.

Cristina: That's weird.

Jack: Unless it's different boys. It doesn't seem to be. The descriptions all match. There seems to be very consistent. It could be different boys, but then they're in uniform.

Cristina: That's also very strange.

Jack: But now let's take a step back. This girl could be one of many girls and something extra wrong happened to her. Or all of them are girls and we're seeing a bunch because again, sometimes we still get mentions of the young girl. But rarely. Rarely. Maybe. Maybe there's just kids being experimented on. That fits the suit for 99 of the we've looked into.

Cristina: Yes, but do we never get the girl at the furnace?

Jack: I never know. No records of the girl at the furnace.

Cristina: Okay. What was the furnace doing in there? I don't know. Okay.

Jack: Weird, right?

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: What are we learning? What is this telling Us.

Cristina: There's things that look related but we cannot connect them.

Jack: Yeah. And there's some weird f****** NORC is in on whatever's happening. NORC knows, or at least it has an idea.

Cristina: Or they can't do anything about it.

Jack: Or they can't do anything about it. But no, I doubt that. I think there's. I don't know. Who knows? Maybe you're totally right. Like, what is the force that's so intense we just ignore it, let it go. The less people looking in that direction, the better. Literally dissolve this. Have nobody work it. Just say we're maintaining it and never do. Like, what? That's better than having somebody fakely maintain it. Yes. Less people to go look.

Cristina: That is strange. Yes. Who is this third party?

Jack: Who is this third party? I did everything to try to find any information. It was just non existent.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it still. It brings into the question the fact that the kids don't age. Then adds this weird question. Because when we were looking at the girl, the lady and the woman, it looks, based on the timeline in which dimensions happen, that there is at least one person who's actually consistent, even if all the others might actually be other people. There is one person that people have seen more who is the same person and maybe all the others are different. So they see a bunch of little girls all the time, teenage girls, and then this one lady who's aged the entire time. They've continued to see all these young girls. They could. I think they're running experiments on children. And what we're seeing is actually different kids and something extra, extra, extra bad happened to this one person and they're somehow trapped in between areas or something.

Cristina: But you think kids are important in this?

Jack: I think. I mean, we keep seeing these children and the girl and like the girl became more rare as time went by. But I think it's because of the prominence of the woman, not because the girls lessened. I think it's the prominence of the woman. Everybody sees the woman, she's there.

Cristina: And the people that hang out on the beach though, are they children? Do you remember? Yeah. Where she gets the water? There's always like people hanging out there.

Jack: You mean the lake?

Cristina: The lake, yes. There's always people hanging out there that we assume are like maybe different echoes from a certain.

Jack: Yes, it looks like those are actually echoes. Or not even a neck. Yes, yes, it's an echo. They're literally looking through a portal into a different time. Yeah, that's not now. And that's not like now would still Be now regardless of which realm you're in. But then would be then regardless of what realm you're looking in. And he's just literally looking at a different time and those people aren't there. That seems to be the case that there's a lot of like time pockets around the lake, which would also like what happened in the lake that she's also so focused on the lake.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If she's trapped between realms and trying to find a way out. Where the most bubbles exist is where you would be doing the most experiments.

Cristina: I suppose that could be.

Jack: She could be trying to get out or jump into either side. But then, is there an in between frequency you can land in that means that realms would be infinite. If there's an in between space, that means realms are infinite.

Cristina: I don't. I don't know. Because the way they describe the fairy. Using the fairy realm to travel through the shadow realm makes it seem like there is no in between. Like there is, but you can't actually be in the in between.

Jack: Except that is really, really old thinking. Considering we corrected that with how Herme later explained literally being able to just walk in with nothing but thought power. That's very different. How you manipulating reality so much. You could just. I'm here now in L. F. Okay. And that violates what we were reading before. What was other people's interpretation? That they are using it to cut path. And that made it look like satellites. But then eventually we found things that make it look like Earth and shadow are literally just. You boxed off a part of shadow.

Cristina: And called it Earth.

Jack: And it looks kind of like maybe there's some connection there in the same fashion between Elfame and the shadow realm. And in that case, they are physically, literally in Elfame and physically, literally in the shadow realm. When they are moving through those, it would seem that maybe Elfame is smaller somehow. And in return, going to Elfhame could allow you shortcuts, and that would make sense.

Cristina: That would be weird. If it's smaller.

Jack: Well, it's allowing you shortcuts between the other space.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If it was bigger, you'd travel less. But if it's smaller, you do small distances in Elfame and that's greater distances over here.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But at least that's just a way of thinking about it. If that's the case, then yeah, it's a frequency. That means there's an infinite number of different frequencies we could jump into. We're surrounded by infinite numbers of realities, literally. And Hermes, actually anybody. And being able to Just manipulate and cross between them. You are beyond what God could ever conceive of being. Beyond. Like our descriptions of the most powerful, exaggerated gods. Even when we look at the research we've done and ground those gods into reality. People who consume entire stars for energy couldn't f*** with a guy who could go into a reality where that star doesn't exist.

Cristina: There he's the only one that seems to really be able to do that. Because everyone else has, you know, the gates or some kind of gates to be made.

Jack: Even Jesus.

Cristina: Even Jesus, yeah. There are gates in this woods that we haven't found.

Jack: Maybe. But Hermes doesn't seem to require anything. No, like the true deal seems overpowered on some other s***. And the more we look at Hermes and the more we compare information to Hermes, it makes things like Santa Claus look watered down. Because, d***, you overpowered as h***. Santa. Few people could f*** with Santa on a real day. Jehovah, with his best technology, would struggle. But I don't think Santa could spot Hermes if he wanted to.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, I think that's the level of difference. It seems too overwhelmingly exaggerated.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I mean, he can easily go to any reality whenever he wants. An infinite number of different realities. No, nothing is a barrier. Time is an illusion. Place is just a state of mind. What the do you mean, bro? What? This is just how you think and how you move. And the universe works in this way for you?

Cristina: Yeah. That is ridiculous.

Jack: Nuts, Crazy. Crazy. I don't f****** know. But if that's the case, if that's possible, then maybe this lady stuck between realms. I don't know what else she could be doing. I don't know what she could be doing. She's definitely running experiments. I don't know for her, but she looked scared. Or maybe those were other girls. Other girls getting away, getting horrified and being killed by random s*** in the woods. We don't see their bodies and s*** because it's on the other side.

Cristina: There's some type of experimenting going on there.

Jack: It looks like it, bro. And they're running out in gowns. All of them?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Come on, bro. Oh, it's a white dress. Oh, it's nightgown. Oh, it's a raincoat, bro. Let's summarize this way quickly. You're looking at two things and don't know how to describe it. One is a lab coat, and the other one is a medical gown. All of them are those two things. Every description anybody has ever given matches those two things. Who the f*** owns a white raincoat? Back then, when white was harder to make, nobody owned a f****** white raincoat. That's not a raincoat. Anybody who used raincoat to describe this is stupid. I'm sorry. Anybody who was going through these wisdoms. There's a woman in a white raincoat. You have never in your life heard those two words put together. Because nobody f****** owns a white raincoat. There's a lab coat, bro. Come on. And the gown is f******. A medical gown, bro. Medical.

Cristina: But if she's wearing a white something, is she part of the group that we see as KKK's or not? We know they're not really. But the cult members in white.

Jack: No. Because cloaks are very different than gowns. Gowns is you are a patient. Cloaks, you are a wizard. And raincoat your doctor.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The cloak. I don't know how to relate the cloaks to anything.

Jack: That's just weird.

Cristina: That's just weird.

Jack: The raincoat. That's a lab coat. They are almost identical. And to somebody in the middle of the night, that's the same s***. And the nightgown and a medical gown are both called gowns because they are both gowns and are structured almost identically. Except white is in the scenario we're talking about. And blue is common day pass it. The only difference still f****** nightgowns.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The only place it gets a little iffy is when they say dress. And you could easily confuse a dress for a hanging nightgown and a little bit of wind. You know? Easy, simple, logical. I am thinking nightgowns and lab coats. That's what it sounds like. There's too many girls. And it looks like they still get mentioned casually, even if predominantly it's the lady in the rain. Quote, raincoat.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But a bunch of girls in nightgowns? Come on, bro. There's a doctor and a bunch of chicks who were experimented on trying to run away and ask for help. Oh, please save me.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why they're always asking for help. Why they always street side? Please give me a ride. And then they disappear when you get too close. Because they ain't there. But they see you. You see them. And then neither one of you sees each other when you're too close. They ran away from the facility. Presumably the church. Not the church. The castle is probably still functional on the other side.

Cristina: Yes. We have no idea. Yeah. All these places that are in there.

Jack: Probably maintained like a m*********** on the other side.

Cristina: On the other side. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah.

Jack: That's my theory.

Cristina: I don't know, I like that theory.

Jack: Yeah. I couldn't confirm one way or another, but it's pretty heftily leaning in that direction. Yeah. Let's see some of these details here. The when the city of Newark absorbed ownership of the land, they collected the necessary documentation required for evidence to support their cases. This is weird. And destroyed the rest of the documents. Everything else was destroyed. They only used the documents that would support the case of convicting the individuals. And only that. No additional details. And completely removed the rest. These destroyed documents included the information related to the briber because they were unquote unknowing of the specific rules and regulations pertaining to this particular instance. Unquote. And as a result were, quote, unknowing participants. Unquote.

Cristina: The briber were unknowing?

Jack: Yes. According to these documents, they were unknowing participants because they weren't familiar with these specific laws pertaining to the situation. It sounds like you're describing foreigners. Bro.

Cristina: Interesting. Yeah.

Jack: Sounds like you're describing foreigners. Bro. They're doing legal things and didn't know the laws.

Cristina: They didn't know the laws.

Jack: Yeah. They ain't from here. Bro. They just ain't from here is what you're trying to say.

Cristina: Yeah, right.

Jack: They weren't familiar with the laws.

Cristina: Please.

Jack: Bro. And that's why there is no information related to the third party.

Cristina: They destroyed it. They actively destroyed Directors said they don't know.

Jack: Only use what they needed to convict everybody.

Cristina: We don't understand the laws. That's the excuse. That is so crazy.

Jack: The quote is exactly. Where'd it go? Unknowing of the specific rules and regulations pertaining to this particular instance.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: And thus get labeled later as, quote, unknowing participants. Unquote.

Cristina: How's that possible?

Jack: That's a lie. That's legally a lie. This is bullshit.

Cristina: That's just so crazy. That's so crazy.

Jack: The conclusion of the collected information pertaining to this, as far as I see it, is a random undisclosed party gets free access in and out of Clinton Road for unspecified reasons. The watershed members as a result use the extra money to hire their pays. This continues as company culture from leader to leader. Right. Until 2008 when an investigation begins that results in the disbandment and the imprisonment of the members. In 2013, that seems to be what I believe happened. Now looking back at the lady. The lady happens. The cars show up. Cops don't investigate this. The only time somebody went in to investigate was for the satanic things.

Cristina: And they said nothing was found.

Jack: Nothing was found.

Cristina: Because they weren't investigating.

Jack: They weren't investigating or they weren't. And they did find something. And that's why that guy quit. Because they did find something. And it was like, well, you went too far. Now your family is in danger. Quit and say nothing.

Cristina: Yes. That has to be it. That has to. Nothing else makes sense.

Jack: Nothing else makes sense.

Cristina: All of this, it's just.

Jack: You found it. Now quit.

Jack: And if you say anything, well, based on what you saw, you would know what would happen.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You saw it. You personally sent me a message.

Cristina: Yeah. They have no one there.

Jack: There's nobody there. Empty.

Cristina: Very suspicious. So suspicious it's crazy.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What did you find? This is very strange.

Jack: Yeah, very strange. There's no. No literal. It's just like a. I guess it's a summary of my thoughts. It's less of a conclusion.

Cristina: But yeah, but yeah, yeah, something is happening there.

Jack: Something is happening in Clinton Road. Like there's legal forces involved and there's outside third party individuals. There's symmetry with random things. The kkk, the date and the furnace, the lady meeting the boy, the gown, the lab coats. The fact that we found looking identical again. When I found Skywalker Ranch, when I looked at Stonehenge, when I looked here, actually looked here because of what I found over there. I began by looking for distortions. Space time distortions, electrical magnetic distortions. Cold spots that aren't explained by weather.

Cristina: Where their distortions are at. There's so much more.

Jack: Yes, specifically where there is space time distortions of which looking we have weird distortion electrical currents that shouldn't be happening at random time storms that happen shooting times. There's cold spots that happen at random times. There's the holes that show up and go. There's facilities that get seen and disappear. There's people who. And like this fit every suit. Just before I got to everything I just mentioned, just with the anomalies happening in the environment without seeing anything weird.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's enough to look. And then the fact that everything weird is here and then you look at all weird s*** and you start coming across all this.

Cristina: Yes, something is happening there. Something is happening and still happening there.

Jack: It's still happening there to this day. To this day. Still going on. But is the lady in the raincoat the same as the girls? That doesn't seem to be the case now because she keeps getting mentioned. And they get mentioned, even if less so. They still get mentioned. People still see the girls. We've never seen the boy age. No boy got Trapped in some. In between. Maybe she's not trapped in between. Maybe she was one of them and joined the bad guys or the good guys. I don't know what they're doing.

Cristina: Yeah. How could you explain what's going on? Whether it's bad or good.

Jack: Whether it's bad or good. There's just something going on.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now I think she's not the same as the other girls. I think there are multiple females.

Cristina: Poor Kow. It's hard to tell. Because of the clothing.

Jack: Because the fact that there is different sets of clothing and they mention young girls still, even if way less. So you could just assume security got tighter and tighter and tighter and less girls get away.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or they found the other. Maybe if they're phasing girls into the other side. Because a lot of the ancient experiments were ultimately trying to figure out how to cross thresholds easily. Maybe that's what's happening. And all they're doing is sending them over there and then they just can't get them back or send them into some middle ground or something. And then they're stuck asking for help. Or maybe they do. Maybe it works and they just not sure how to reverse it and get back.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're like we're sending them to the shadow Realm. We just don't know how the to get them back out of the shadow world. Maybe these girls aren't jacked up with anything. So they're just on the other side somehow.

Cristina: From experiments.

Jack: Yeah, from some kind of experiment that.

Cristina: Has to do with maybe the cult that's there. The cults? You don't know.

Jack: Whatever Druid activity they see. Because things happen at the f****** council.

Cristina: Is that the next place we're going?

Jack: You ask that every episode. And I've told you there's too much to cover.

Cristina: There's really that much?

Jack: Then again, I was looking at the boy and I found the unrelated furnace. And I didn't even focus on the furnace. Looking at the furnace, I found an entire corruption scheme.

Cristina: That is so crazy.

Jack: Like we're not getting to the castle anytime soon. Or the mines. Both of those are being ignored. Maybe for a year.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: There's too much other crap to look at. And before we look at any of that, we need the biggest picture possible. Because I'm sure there's going to be too much we don't understand.

Cristina: We need context.

Jack: Yeah, we just need context. I'm sure as we go through other things, this over there will inform this over here. But we need that many crossing wires before we get to what's obviously the center, which has to be either castle or the mines. What's weird is we see people coming in and out of mines and no weird mentions of anything else. But the castle has a bunch of weird s*** happening and there's just people kind of lurking around there. The castle seems almost too obvious, while the Mayans seem almost like. You guys don't wanna. I didn't know they were mines.

Cristina: I didn't know they were mines.

Jack: Yeah. Had to look and find that. People have reported weird things in and out of there. And it's like you guys are burying the mine documents.

Cristina: Was there more? Because you said there's more. So, like, the furnace is already a weird one.

Jack: What, like other structures?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, yeah. There's other structures.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Whether they're weird or not really depends on how deep I fall and what I find while looking there. But there's a lot. There are many small structures and things here. Some other houses that aren't random detail. Every inch of the property around Clinton Road belongs to the castle. When the castle was sold, the castle's property was sold. And that is the entirety of everything we know as the forest around Clinton Road.

Cristina: Including the furnace then.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Including the furnace, the lake, everything from all 10 miles of it belonged to the one castle that was all just one land.

Cristina: Okay. Whoa.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What is happening?

Jack: Wasn't even bought for that much money. It was sold for like $30,000 and it was 10 miles worth of land. Was watching a video where dude paid for his first home, which was a five bedroom house, and he only paid $3,000 for it. He paid that in 1940.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: $3,000. Five bedroom family home right now is a little over a quarter of a million.

Cristina: Yeah, well.

Jack: Well, it depends. You could find that same size house and it would be a million, depending where you go. Anyways, unrelated to that bunch of random going on, there's definitely something happening there. We have different individuals that seem to be cohesive individuals. We don't know about this kid. I gotta look more into this kid. I tried to connect the dots and have the kid kind of be a focal point for this episode. There's actually surprisingly little information on that kid. The lady's everywhere.

Cristina: This kid is an actual mystery.

Jack: The kid's an actual mystery. The kid. If we didn't have the lady aging, we would see the girls and be very confused. That's another reason that this tells me that those might be different people. Because the cohesiveness comes together when we have a consistent narrative to follow. Which happens with lady, not with the girls. If we just stop at the girls with the gowns and it's a bunch of isolated situations that don't seem to converge anymore. Yeah, and the language changing over time is part of why we can connect the dots successfully. Without that. No, it's just a girl. It's just at that point it's just an echo. Except they seem to be moving and behaving and reacting. So they're there.

Cristina: And the boy may not be an echo, but we have no more information on him.

Jack: The boy responds at least to the girl. And the girl's not an echo. So by extension the kid's not an echo. But then what's happening with the kid? And why aren't you in a medical gown? That's another interesting question. Okay, why are you fully clothed? Normally the girl's in a gown. You're not anywhere they see you. So all these boys, or this one boy, not the same as a girl. But they have a meeting.

Cristina: But they're somehow related. Yes, at the end of the day, they're somehow related.

Jack: They're somehow communicating. And they always meet in the same place. The only place you ever see them interact happens to be the bridge. Interesting, I didn't think about that. The only place. All the documents say the same thing. Ultimately, they point at when the girl is seen with the boy. It's at the bridge. You can see the boy outside of the bridge. You can see the girl outside of the bridge. You never see the boy and the girl together outside of the bridge. You only see them at the bridge. I would argue this might support the frequency theory, in which at that spot the frequency is so exact she can see him and he can see her.

Cristina: Interesting. So then they might not be the same.

Jack: And they walk away from that spot and they're not even in the same place. They can't see each other, they can't interact. If they both leave that spot, they sort of phase back into their normal frequency.

Cristina: Okay, interesting.

Jack: Alternatively, if that is the case, maybe there's not an in between spot. She aged. She's from this side. He does not look like a gem. He's not from the shadow realm. But that spot is still a convergence point. Maybe that kid's no fame. Elves are described looking like people and Nephilim are described looking like people. Most fairies take on human like characteristics oftentimes young kids and short older men.

Cristina: If he's a fairy, then he's way more important than we think he is.

Jack: And that's also why there's way less information.

Cristina: Okay. Is he running experiments in that furnace?

Jack: I don't think he would be running. I think this is an actual kid. I think by whatever measurements qualify as a child in Elfhame, I think that would be the equivalent. And maybe time works so different that hundreds of years could pass for us, and he will still look like a child.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah. Because we don't know.

Jack: We don't know. But it looks like a convergence point. If we try to rationalize, why is it that they're there together, nowhere else?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Maybe she can't see him anywhere else. Maybe he can't see her anywhere else. That's where they can.

Cristina: Yeah, that sounds right. I don't know.

Jack: Which then means looking at the bridge becomes really important. What's happening there that isn't happening at the castle?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And if this lady's running experiments, why isn't she running it at the bridge? Or is she trying to replicate what's happening at the bridge elsewhere?

Cristina: Oh, I don't know.

Jack: And what's happening at the bridge fits more like the Vikings solution to the problem by making an area that they can visit but they can't normally cross through. Although eventually they created a crossing point. No, no, no. It was just communication and communication. Yeah, once he drank the blood and then. Crossing point. But yeah. So basically, it sounds like that naturally happened here in that very spot. Except it can't cut. So maybe she's trying to replicate that. So she comes, interacts with the kid, talks her friends. Maybe she goes back and how do I make this thing? And then goes to a place that has a bunch of weird s*** like that happening. The lake. Yes, to study. Goes to the kid, talk. That's another spot that's sort of similar, even if different. Could be. I don't know. I don't know. Spitballing.

Cristina: Is she trying to. I don't know if he has anything to do with what she's trying to do.

Jack: Yeah, he could just be somebody from some side who's really just a genuinely innocent kid, likes to come to the area, observe humans or whatever the. Is happening, and she goes there and communicates with them. Maybe they don't even speak the same language, but, you know, they enjoy each other's company or whatever the. Yeah, they know they're not a harm to one another.

Cristina: But did we see her actually talk to the child? Okay, yes.

Jack: They've passed items from one to another.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She will reach out to give a coin. He will put his hand out, receive the coin, throw it. He's just hanging out, playing with coins in the water. The fact that he's always doing it makes him seem like an echo. Yes, but then interacting with this chick who isn't breaks that. It's just a chill spot for him.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know. He seems. He's so strange. I don't know.

Jack: Another random bit. Fairies. Water. Coins tied tightly together. That is a tight, tight f****** mess that happens consistently. Make a wish. Fairy territory. And fairies looking for. You can give a fairy a coin to let you through some area. Like, just weird things like that.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Fairies, coins and water. The lady of the Lake.

Cristina: But he's not that. Or he. If he is, we don't see it. We don't see what's. What she gets from him. If she's getting anything.

Jack: I don't think she's getting anything. I think based on. I don't. I don't know. I don't know. Based on. Solely the public records oftentimes reported the police because they saw something.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It doesn't seem like it. Seems like just platonic, innocent, nice interactions that happen at the spot and nowhere else in the forest.

Cristina: And then he's not really doing anything at the furnace.

Jack: He was just there, wandering. The same way they see her wandering at the castle.

Jack: Almost like he lives there.

Cristina: Okay. Strange. Strange.

Jack: Which again? The fairy lives by the fire. Okay. Checks out. One of those weird, like, well, there's coincidences everywhere kind of s***. Hangs out by the water, lives by the fire. Like, what the f***? I don't. This is a fairy.

Cristina: I don't know. Yeah, could we. I don't know. The service range.

Jack: True Mysteries. True Mysteries. And I would go as far as to say whatever organization comes in and out is the same organization from the shipping dock. Would have to be so close together. Whatever. Or how many crazy shady organizations are trying the same s***.

Cristina: That's true, too. Like, who knows? I don't know.

Jack: That was nowhere near Clinton Road. And like, what the. Could not be more identical. Shady organizations transporting secret things, entering in and out of places. Epstein's Islands. Clearly a f****** farm for adrenochrome.

Cristina: But is this spot. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know, bro. Anyways. Anyways. Any of you guys have any input for any of this information, feel free.

Cristina: So many questions.

Jack: Too many questions. It is absurd. It is ridiculous. So you guys can go online, do your own research, find this. It's really weird. It gets really complicated. Tell me if you guys find out what the h*** Nord was doing involved.

Cristina: In cleaning Are they still doing something?

Jack: No, they still own it. They still own it to this day since 2013. And yeah. So you know, if you find anything interesting, if you want to talk to us about it, you can contact us on our socials at just convo pod that's on tick tock on Facebook, on Twitter AKA X and I said Instagram on all the places. Whatever. Just just convo podworth forever.

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July 27, 2024

Rambling 283: The Lady in White

July 27, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Who is the Lady in White? How did she get to Clinton Road? What is her Purpose there? The duo investigate the famous Lady in White story in an attempt to better understand the Spacetime Distortions detected at Clinton Road. Arguably the most frequently mentioned paranormal being of all time.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Lady In White
Hitchhikers
Satanic Rituals
Echoes
Scientists
Escaped Experiments
The Shadow Realm

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is a show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. Ideas. And look, man, we've. We've been on a road where we learned a lot of information, and we taken.

Cristina: We've been on two roads.

Jack: Yeah, we done took. We done. Yeah, for real, for real. We done took that information, and now we're applying it to the world to try to investigate, using our. Investigate. Because we were kind of stuck over there for a while. So now we're trying to investigate other. With the knowledge we got from our investigations, right? And we decided to go into, like, a weird place where it was clear that something was wrong.

Cristina: We looked.

Jack: We investigated some other places, but we came to, like, the logical one, which is Clinton Road. Now, what we were looking for was initially electrical magnetic distortions, cold spots. We were looking for that. Converging with stories. We were looking for weird anomalies, time anomalies, electrical magnetic fields, anything weird that has happened in any magnitude whatsoever.

Cristina: See?

Jack: And we went through a couple of places, and we land. So one of them was Stonehenge. Right. And we checked out the. What was it? Ranch.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: Skinwalker Ranch. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it made sense. It made sense. And then we landed here, and now we're looking at Clinton Road, which is a logical place. Now, in going through Clinton Road, there were many stories. We broke that into three episodes because it was too much. So in those three episodes, we went down the tremendous amount of things that exist, and the goal was essentially to unpack a lot of those things individually. But after we went down a quick kind of draft, right. Which we did, and then we highlighted the ones we thought were meaningful out of the ones we thought we weren't. And then we just talked about quickly the ones we know factually were meaningful.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Just to catch everybody up now, I went ahead and I looked into some of these things, and the point was to dive into these individually and to dissect them. But that immediately became problematic, as all things always become problematic. But it's hard to explain exactly how it's problematic. What. So I think I'm gonna show you how it's problematic instead by telling you what it is. And it's just kind of gonna make sense, and then I'll directly tell you afterwards. Anyway.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So I. I called this part of this problem one.

Cristina: That's what he called it.

Jack: Yeah. I'm gonna give you police reports. Just summarize. This isn't the actual word for words. This is. You paraphrase summarize about actual real world police reports from the road, from Clinton Road.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So this first one happens roadside. Somewhere along the road, a man calls the local police, reporting a woman in a white dress walking barefoot, disoriented, on the road near the lake. The man reported that he continued driving because he didn't know if she could be, you know, a danger to him and his girlfriend who were in the car. When the officer asked, can he describe anything about her? He looked back and she was gone.

Cristina: I don't understand.

Jack: Like, this is a literal, actual report of. Oh, I don't know what happened. Then the cop came that there was nobody. The people weren't there.

Cristina: Oh, like, it just had. It just happened. And then the cop showed up.

Jack: No, he called the cop.

Cristina: Oh, so he was calling him while it happened.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes. This is recent. This is very recent. These are recent. These are on cell phones.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This is self. These are recorded.

Cristina: Calling the cop.

Jack: Yeah. He calls a cop about this.

Cristina: He sees this lady.

Jack: Yeah. He's like, there's something weird going on. I don't know if you want to check it out or whatever. The. About this lady in the woods. Yeah. Now, again, this doesn't mean anything yet. It's as we go through this that the problem arises. This next scenario, again, all police reports so far happens near Cross Castle. On the other side, local police receive a call. A woman wandering by Cross Castle in a large white raincoat or a nightgown. Raincoat or a nightgown. Okay. The report claims the caller thought she was living at Cross Castle. So essentially a squatter.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And when the caller approached, she vanished. He suspected she ran into the surrounding woods or behind a tree or something. And he also reported that he thought the squatter was a schizophrenic of some sort because he continued to hear whispers as he was looking for her.

Cristina: Horrified. Okay.

Jack: Very rational man, though. Every step of his report was.

Cristina: I don't know how he made it past. Like, she disappeared. Okay. I'm gonna still investigate, even though I hear all this whispering, like, okay, I predict white guy. Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: Okay. The reservoir. This is by the lake. Local police report that they received a call from a woman seemingly considered a call of a woman. I apologize. A call of a woman seemingly considering suicide by the lake. She was standing by the water's edge to the person who saw her looking like she was, you know, considering hopping in by their interpretation of the scenario. She was standing in front of the water, kind of like just looking at the water for a really long time. And he got concerned.

Cristina: That's a tough one to imagine. Yeah.

Jack: I don't know. You can just call on a person like that. It's crazy. Okay. When asked by the officer to get the woman's attention, the caller yells out to her and she turns to him, then seemingly vanishes before his eyes.

Cristina: What is she wearing?

Jack: Local police report received a woman considering. No, not. No specifics.

Cristina: Oh, no.

Jack: White caller claimed something was weird about her face before she vanished. Unclear. And then this is by a really tight curve called Dead man's Curve on Clinton Road. The report is of a woman standing close the curb, either threatening to jump in front of a car or scaring cars. Driver report, car ahead and car behind. Were swerving to dodge her. And she was in a white trench coat or something similar. He didn't know where she ran off to. When he'd finished dodging her, she'd run away or hidden before scaring the car a few seconds behind.

Cristina: How many cars was involved in that one?

Jack: You must have been in line, like three or four cars coming through.

Cristina: Interesting. Okay.

Jack: Okay. These are random, just police reports. You kind of get the theme going on.

Cristina: Yes, lady.

Jack: Yeah. Ladies tend to be in some kind of white something.

Cristina: Yeah, we're trying to attempt suicide for some reason.

Jack: So I'm going to tell you four different stories that aren't those stories.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we're gonna quickly discuss that. Okay, so we're gonna start with the obvious one, the lady in white. This lady is known as a lady who roams around the lake. There's basically, you know, the myths of the area.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She roams around the woods, the road, the lake itself, and is described as looking for something dressed in a white gown or robe, coat or dress of some sort, sad or expressionless. And the lady in white is seen the most often. That's important.

Cristina: These are all different. Ladies. Question mark.

Jack: Question mark indeed. Woman in the gown. A woman in the ground by. In a gown by Cross Castle or the ruins thereof. Only ever reported following KKK gatherings or late 1960s occult rituals. Now, this is where it gets interesting for me because do you. Do you get. Do you follow? Is my thought right? Young girl in a dress reported by the bridge and roadside. Seen often with the kid by the bridge tossing the coins. Seen less often in modern day, but more often in the past.

Cristina: But there's nothing about her.

Jack: No details.

Jack: Hitchhiker or damsel in distress. Always seen roadside. Always trying to catch the attention of a driver while asking for help. Seen way less often now, way more often in the past. Oh man. Okay, so what do you think so far? Let's unpack some of this information. What do you think so far?

Cristina: It's hard to tell if they're like just ghosts. Are these echoes? Cuz like I don't know if they're doing the same thing over and over or what's happening really the big problem, right?

Jack: What the f*** is going on? Because they seem to be a bunch of different instances that aren't the same. One in a loop.

Cristina: And if it's just one lady and she's all these people, then what's that about? I guess that's also another option. But like I don't feel like it is one per.

Jack: Why not?

Cristina: Because sometimes it's a girl, sometimes it's older. Like the age ranges feels different from how they're describing this person. It could be they do.

Jack: They do. But I'll go over some of this again. A hundred percent they do. A hundred percent they do. But I noted something from this very idea. Right. So I'm gonna go over this one again. Lady in white roams the area around the lake, the woods and the road. Described as looking for something. See dress in a white gown, robe, coat or dress of some sort. Sad or expressionless. And this one is seen the most often in modern day. She's the most seen currently. She was less seen in the past. Important. The woman in the gown. The woman in the ground in the gown by Cross Castle. How did I mess that up in the same spot by Cross Castle or the ruins thereof. Only ever reported following the KKK gatherings in the 1960s.

Cristina: What about the one with the boy? The girl that's hanging out with the boy, what is that?

Jack: The young girl in a dress reported by the bridge and roadside. Seen often with the kid by the bridge tossing coins. Seen less often modern day, but seen more often in the past.

Cristina: Like if this is a time thing then it doesn't really matter. So shouldn't they all be seen equally? Even if it's the same person? It's like we're watching their timeline playing over and over.

Jack: Except we are literally getting when these reports are coming from.

Cristina: But why would it be different? Like of how often one is seen versus the other if it's out of time anyway, like we should be seeing her as a girl. And as an adult, equally as much. Because it's unrelated.

Jack: Why do you.

Cristina: Even if it's the same person, why.

Jack: Do we think it's out of time?

Cristina: Because she's probably existing in the. I guess I do feel like maybe it's an echo. I guess it's hard not to see it. Like, just we're seeing different versions of this one person living out their life. But then again, it doesn't make sense. Maybe. I guess the most sense would be it's just an echo person. Not an echo person, a shadow person.

Jack: Why? Wait, wait, wait.

Cristina: I don't know. Because she's playing with a boy. That makes it seem a little different.

Jack: Maybe the boy is an echo too, based on that logic. Right.

Cristina: If he's an echo. Yeah. Like, I don't know, it's easy to see that her as an echo. But then, like, why would one time period be more popular in one time period of ours? Like, what would make the difference of seeing her younger back then and her older now? Unless she's maybe more of a shadow realm person, because then she ages. But if she's an echo, why, it would all be happening right now.

Jack: Yeah, but based on what we're talking about, then she actually is aging because she's already aged. No, no, no. What we're talking about is that basically she was younger in the past and older now. That's just aging through time.

Cristina: Yes. These are all moments of her aging and at a different time, so it wouldn't matter.

Jack: The order is all the older ones in the future, all the older ones are happening now, and all the younger ones are happening earlier, which makes it.

Cristina: Seem less of an echo because why would it matter?

Jack: No. Yeah, it's definitely not an echo.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I'm saying it's just a. Like a living something.

Cristina: Yes, yes. It has to be.

Jack: Yeah. It's currently something that's aged. Right. That's what we're looking at. Somebody's been living there.

Cristina: Because if it was just an echo, it would be all versions.

Jack: Yeah, randomly. Why would it be of the same person if it was an echo?

Cristina: But then the way you worded it is like, they see her less now, but they see her more now. Like, of different versions.

Jack: Yeah. They see the lady in the white dress. That lady is seen the most current day.

Cristina: But that doesn't mean they don't see the young girl or the other young lady.

Jack: We also have to remember the place we're talking about and people just talking random s***.

Cristina: So they're just sharing.

Jack: Yeah, this is majority Rules. And by vast majority. Does it rule in all of these instances? It's by vast majority. I summarize it. And I'll explain that later too.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But these are ultimately collections of reports.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That summarize into this, into these four different groups of people. And those stories were actual police reports that fit these suits very accurately. Like they're not definitely reporting different individuals as opposed to one person who seems to be kind of moving through time, it seems to me.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah, I guess.

Jack: But that's what we're supposed to find out ultimately, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because I don't actually know. And we have no clue what is. Like, what would she be doing there if she was a person living there?

Cristina: Well, scaring people. She's obviously scaring people. She's jumping to the road. She's pretending she's committing suicide, which could.

Jack: Suggest she's some sort of a shadow.

Cristina: Yeah. All her behaviors seem really shadow realm.

Jack: What other behavior seems shadow realmy to you?

Cristina: Just like throwing pebbles at people while they're driving by with a kid. Like she might be trying to scare them. She just seems like she's trying to scare people. Different. In different ways. In different ways that aren't like horrifying, but like scared for her, which is still.

Jack: But then this brings into question the nature of Clinton Road. Right. Like, is what's happening in there that creatures in the shadow. Like, maybe this place is so tightly connected that people that live in the shadow realm come to their side of this place because it's so well connected. It's a place where feasibly you could have had adrenochrome on this side, cross over when you die. And then come and live around this area and be as close to some earth like place as possible. Because then why is she just living at the castle? And why does it look like a castle to her?

Cristina: We don't know what it looks like to her.

Jack: Fair she's just living there. Unless she's actually living at these. This castle.

Cristina: They're just saying she does because she's by them.

Jack: Yes. She doesn't actually have to live there.

Cristina: No. She lives in the area or she's visiting the area often.

Jack: And then the description I always heard about the white dress, but it got real complicated when it turned into coat. Yeah. In a gown, a robe, a raincoat or a dress. Always white.

Cristina: That sounds like she's just living around that area because you'd have to change clothes eventually. Like, she's not a cartoonist.

Jack: No, I don't think these cases are one Person saying she's changing to all of these. I think all the different cases are like, I think she was.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: You know, look like this.

Cristina: Yeah. Because we can't really tell.

Jack: Yeah, they can't really tell.

Cristina: Yeah. And like even the color of the clothes maybe we can't really see what color it is. So it looks white.

Jack: Exactly.

Cristina: It might not actually be wherever she is.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes. Or if she is actually on this side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like they're moving in a car. Unwilling in most of these cases to get out because they're paranoid and they're like, what if this is just some crazy from the woods and she's just gonna stab me? Or.

Cristina: But they all seem scared, even though it's mostly it's for her. Like, oh, I'm worried about her. Kind of.

Jack: Yeah. It's always fear of some sort. Interesting. That's a different kind of fear. Sympathetic fear.

Cristina: Yes. That's exactly what she seems to be feeding on then.

Jack: Except sometimes she doesn't. She's just like standing in traffic. Maybe she starts fading.

Cristina: Sometimes it gets in traffic. That's horrifying.

Jack: That's f****** horrifying.

Cristina: What are you talking about? Yeah, so horrifying.

Jack: Just a chick shows up out of nowhere in a white.

Cristina: Yeah. Like there's no way you don't get scared in the moment. I don't know.

Jack: No, it's f*****. It's just being there. It doesn't matter. Just being there. It works.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's a place to live. If you took adrenochrome, I bet that place is CRO. That's why.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know.

Jack: It's just active. There's just people living in the woods together, being cool buddy buddy with one another. Because it's like home instead of whatever the. The shadow realm.

Cristina: She's probably not hanging out with the boy, cuz I think the boy is an echo. So she's just really just watching and amazing like everyone else. Like.

Jack: Yeah, like how weird.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's an interesting point. I haven't thought about that like actively, but I remember having like the brief moment of do. Does an echo play the same. In the same spatial location of the shadow realm?

Cristina: Possibly because they find this echo, this space where the echoes are living are, is as interesting for some reason.

Jack: Yes. And they can go there easily from their side. So it must physically be the same location somehow, even if warped.

Cristina: So there might be some echoes of our. Of beings that are from here and some echoes that are beings from them over there.

Jack: And that would explain really Weird, like things we can't track. Yeah, because it's like. It's not even even like the weird.

Cristina: Sounds that could be creatures that could. Maybe Those are echo sounds. Like shadow realm echoes.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking that definitely. How strange. We've never come across that thought because. Right. But then that's weird. I would not. If it's a time. If an echo is a time distortion, not actually a dead person.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then it's just a sort of snapshot of one of their moments too, being shown at a random time somewhere in that spot. Somewhere in a realm in that place.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah, I think so. I think it's important somehow, this whole time distortion thing, for real. I think so. That's why there are scientists working there and doing something and then something horrible is gonna happen. I don't know.

Jack: Now that's interesting. Right, Because I think. I think I found that too, but.

Cristina: More about what's gonna happen.

Jack: Not what's gonna happen or what has happened, but. Well, I'll explain. Now I'm gonna talk about public records, not police records. This is a summarized. This is not literally word for word. This is simplified to get the information across as quickly as possible. There's public records about a lot of different sets of information. Right. Okay. I'm just gonna look at them. We're gonna look at the information together.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we gonna have a conversation about this information. Okay. So the first mention of any female in the woods of Clinton Road in some kind of a white something was in 1965. Described as pale young female, homeless, roughly 5, 4.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Just random information.

Cristina: That is random.

Jack: Doesn't mean anything. But this was a robed young lady.

Cristina: Robed?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like a gown type of. She fits this lady obviously fits the. All the women we're talking about fit the dress code.

Cristina: Okay. White, homeless.

Jack: No. Homeless. No. This is just part of what's in this document.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Descriptors. I took out the word and put the whole sentence. Okay. Now I'm gonna tell you about a period of time between 1950 and 1970. Okay. In 1952, there were first reports of a satanic ritual or satanic rituals. We'll say satanic activity at Cross Castle. This gets noted. And this is just in the documents being recorded in history. There's been reports, you know, just 1950s, 1952. So Satanists. Ooh, they're Satanists. In. In the. In the ruins of the castle.

Cristina: How old is that castle?

Jack: Ancient.

Cristina: Because. Do you have the Date of when it was a castle.

Jack: It was a ca. I have a date when it stopped being a castle.

Cristina: Oh, what's that?

Jack: 1988.

Cristina: 1988. And it was ruins in 1952.

Jack: It wasn't ruins.

Cristina: It was still a castle.

Jack: It was still a castle. What? It wasn't an inhabited castle.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I think you think it was a castle, though.

Cristina: I like the history of this castle. When are we gonna get to that?

Jack: That's happening for sure.

Cristina: Okay, but just not today.

Jack: That's happening for sure. You're gonna understand why we have to look at this castle. Everything. Everything aims at the we. I told you. The castle comes last. There's too much. And it all points to the castle. So obviously we have to save the castle for last. It's the obvious conclusion. There's something weird going on in that.

Cristina: Castle because I want to know about it before the quote, unquote, uncle Today's. I know, I know, but, like, there had to have been weird things happening.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Before.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So that castle is gonna be a while.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's gonna be not just from now, but like the cat. The episode is gonna be hefty good stuff.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Okay, okay, okay, okay. So satanic rituals, 1952. First time we get satanic rituals happening at this castle.

Cristina: What do people consider satanic? They're in robes. They've gotta be sultanic.

Jack: Interesting point. Right. Interesting point. Unrelated to this castle per se, but rather spoken of throughout the woods, many different groups of robed people. Consistently, the two most used words are KKK members and druids.

Cristina: And how do they. Like, can you tell the difference? I mean, I guess you assume because they're dressed in white, they're kkk. But, like, what if the druids just happen to be wearing white?

Jack: Exactly.

Cristina: How do you. How do you know what you're like?

Jack: Because it would just be a robe. It doesn't matter the color. Right. It's just the style.

Cristina: Yeah. So is it one or the other.

Jack: Code of a black robe?

Cristina: Exactly. How do they know? How do they know? I don't know. There's something wrong with the story, but.

Jack: Okay. In 1955, investigations are demanded by the mayor of the time, Arthur McAdams. This forced the local police to work with the Newark Watershed Conservation and Development Corporation, or nwcdc, owners of the Clinton Road and the forest surrounding it.

Cristina: To do what?

Jack: To begin investigations to find out about those satanic individuals.

Cristina: How do they do that?

Jack: Are they a danger? I guess patrol and, like, Set up ways to, you know, keep it safe for people so dangerous stuff doesn't happen. So he's just gonna look and see if there was ever anything, Two years later, in 1957, investigations are concluded and produce no proof of any claim. Yeah, checks out. Like, I don't know what you. How you were performing, what were you doing for two years.

Cristina: Like, bruh, they're just walking around and they couldn't see any ghosts because maybe that at the end of the day, these so called satanic ritual people are just ghosts. And like, what are the chances? It's really random though. You stumble upon them. So why would you. When you're looking for them? I mean.

Jack: Yeah, that's fair.

Cristina: And not just ghosts, but like, there could be shadow people, they could be whatever. But like, you don't just look for them, they just. It just happens. And then you have a story, I guess.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So that's probably why Casta didn't find anything because they were just. They were looking. And like, you can't scare someone who's expecting you.

Jack: This fascinating logic. I'm kind of bad. I'm trying to process this because this absolutely, like checks out so heftily. It's like there's so. I'm so baffled by the fact that we've gone through so much data and one of the most consistent things in the world is that the investigators always come out empty handed. But people will sometimes. We've shown. We've shown on the show. I mean, I haven't shown the viewers, but I've shown you. And we've looked at some of these things. Some videos of actual things have happened. We've looked at photos, we've looked at literal speeches. It's never from people who are looking. It's never from the cops, it's never from the authorities. It's from everyone else. The people who are like, oh my God, what the.

Cristina: Because they're going to be affected emotionally. They're the ones that is what's feeding.

Jack: Whatever this is while people looking for it just think they're gonna find something not disturbing already.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And there's no fear to begin the ball rolling.

Cristina: Yeah. And if, like, even if they feel fear, they're gonna push it back because they got a job to do, trained.

Jack: To push it back.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That is. Bravery is pushing the fear down.

Cristina: Weak food. If they were gonna do something about that.

Jack: Interesting. This is interesting. This probably. You could probably find so many moments in which this happened. How very interesting. I know. I remember so many. But now this Is. That's a great point at looking at. Because anytime we see, oh, there's so many reports and the cops just find nothing, there's something weird going on there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's another thing that's just weird and unnormal.

Cristina: And I doubt it's that they're hiding it. Yes. They really.

Jack: They found nothing.

Cristina: Can't find anything.

Jack: There's nothing in them. They found nothing interesting. I like that. Fascinating. Also in 1957, Mayor McAdam resigns a month later.

Cristina: That's unrelated to anything.

Jack: Unrelated to any information. Just details.

Cristina: The people were like, you wasted everyone's time. You gotta go, I don't know.

Jack: 1965, this is a huge time leap. This is eight years later. First mention of a female of any description in the woods surrounding Clinton Roads is mentioned. Female in white dress.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: 1966. This is where it gets kind of. I didn't know about this one. This one just happened while I was looking for things. Black cars are reported coming in and out of Clinton Road day and night. Black cars, black cars, unmarked black cars coming in and out.

Cristina: What do you think that's about?

Jack: There were so many f****** reports of this s***. I don't know how this didn't make, like, national news or some s***. There were so many. There were hundreds people calling in to City hall about, who the f*** are these people coming in out of town. There were reports. I don't know, dude. People calling into the police station like, there's shady people who I've seen. They think it's the same person. Some people. Some people think it's different people. It's like there was so much. There were hundreds of. Just different, like, reports, records, and like, everything. Everything under the sun. This just kept showing up, but only for this short period of time.

Cristina: What was the period again?

Jack: Well, we'll get to the end of the period of time in a bit, but. And it's, like, weird. That's really weird. This just shows up, drowns everything, and then just poof. Never mentioned again. 1969. That's three years later.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Final reports of Satanic, druid or black car activity all stop simultaneously. Just done. 1971. First reports of KKK presence in the area.

Cristina: Okay. The Druids transform.

Jack: Now I'm not saying anything. This is just information. I cut this information out specifically because it built an image I thought was important. But let's talk about it. What does this seem like to you? We have, in 1952, satanic rituals are happening in the castle. Then three years later, 1955 people are kind of getting freaked out because they're.

Cristina: Seeing the lady or.

Jack: No, no, this is just about satanic rituals happening in the area, specifically around the castle. So three years later of reports just happening consistently, investigations are demanded, and the mayor goes ahead and jumps into action, and he gets together with the people who own it, the nwcdc, and they start doing whatever the f*** they were gonna do.

Cristina: But then the.

Jack: And then the mayor quits about this random. I'm not saying it's about this random, but like, he quits a month later after the thing is done.

Cristina: And then some suspicious people come, and then some suspicious.

Jack: Well, no, then the lady shows up, the girl.

Cristina: Oh, in a dress.

Jack: A girl in a dress. There's just a girl in a dress. First report of a girl in a dress wandering the woods. And then we get black cars coming in and out for three years straight. Black cars coming in and out. People reporting over and over and over, reports with these f****** weird cars. Final report of satanic druid or black car activity happens at the end of the three year period of the black cars. All three just suddenly, poof, gone. And then two years from that point, oh, there's KKK in the area. That's what's happening.

Cristina: I don't know. That's. I don't know. Tell me what's happening.

Jack: I don't know, man. Like, if you've ever seen a cover up, probably looks like that photo of what?

Cristina: Oh, yeah, like, right.

Jack: Is that what I'm looking at? Am I delusional? Does it look like the narrative changed really hard suddenly?

Cristina: Yes, but what did the cars have to do with anything?

Jack: This is very interesting. Right? So cars show up, but cars show up after the lady does. And that's pretty interesting. The first mention of the lady happens in 1965. And then from 1966 to 1969, black.

Cristina: Cars, druids summoned some creature who looks like a lady.

Jack: And then they came to something weird was happening. Something weird was happening in 1952 where the first reports happened of something. And satanic rituals, whatever. Those are Druids. Those are some Hermes like guys.

Cristina: They were summoning creatures from the shadow realm or something. Something not really summoning. It would be more like opening portals, Something.

Jack: Right. And then people started to panic. So then they tell the mayor or whatever means led to this investigation. And Mayor McAdams is like, okay, whatever, I'm a little gimbal. It's. And so he gets the people who own it to work with the local police and look into it. And they find nothing. And then he quits. Okay, you found nothing that's not worth quitting over. Is this like what they made you do it? Whatever. How would a crazy big political stick handle? Like, no, this s***? Nobody gives a s***. Why'd you quit?

Cristina: He for sure quit.

Jack: He resigned. Was literally what happened. He resigned his position at Monthly. It doesn't have to be related. It could literally just be unrelated. I don't know what the 1950s were like. Maybe everybody was quitting back then.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: You know, just pattern. I threw that there because pattern. It looks relative. I don't know.

Cristina: Seems strange.

Jack: Yeah, it's weird. It's notable. Somebody felt like they needed to write it down, so. Right. He works with those people. The investigations are concluded. In 1957, nothing is found. And then that same year, a month later, he quits. Okay. Then in 1965, eight years later, a mention of a lady in white, a girl, a young girl in a white dress in the woods surrounding Clinton Road is reported consistently. Just suddenly everybody saw this girl.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: 1966, the next year, it's abundantly reported. So presumably began little by little of black cars coming in and out. And then it's just. 1966 is like, this is ridiculous at this point.

Cristina: Why is there so many black cars?

Jack: Why are there so many like, tinted window, black cars coming in and out. These indescript black cars coming in and out.

Cristina: Investigating. The real investigation has started.

Jack: Real investigation has begun. That has to be it. Right? Like, we've never discussed them in a black on this show.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And like, you know, it doesn't seem like they're real to me. It sounds like some crazy people make up. And you know, we watch, we listen to other shows like Mysterious Universe where they often discuss the men in black showing up for things. But like, d***, bro, we cross paths with them now, that kind of looks like what happened right now.

Cristina: I think we'll find out. They're scientists, I don't think.

Jack: I think everybody is.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or they work for powerful science. Yeah, Big science.

Cristina: Big science, yeah.

Jack: You know, everything is. Everything is ruled by big science ultimately. But yeah, that's weird. Hey, that's. That's really what happened. The real investigation to coming in and out, taking samples and doing research and in shifts, most likely.

Cristina: Yeah, probably for the sea people, I guess. I don't know. Big science.

Jack: I don't know who big science belongs to. Right. And then with the, with the sudden stop of reports of black cars, we also get the sudden stop of reports of Any satanic activity, druid activity, or black cars coming through, all of it's just gone.

Cristina: But we don't know if it's really gone, if there's just KKK. Like, I don't know if those are really KKK's or those are just Juliets who are now in ya. Like, how do I know?

Jack: They're controlling the narrative. Do they own the police?

Cristina: How do I know?

Jack: No, you get my point. Like, nah, bro, it's weird. It all stopped. Yeah, that's where it's weird. It's weird at all.

Cristina: I don't know why we replace one weird thing with another weird thing. Like, yeah, no, because it's more believable.

Jack: It's just racism.

Cristina: I know. Like, but still, it's so bad. Like, wouldn't you still won't people still be complaining?

Jack: Like, I think they'll just leave it alone because the KKK is a legal organization.

Cristina: Okay. That's right.

Jack: Yeah. Even then, weirdly enough, it was illegal and still is a legal organization. Some of them do sketchy s***.

Cristina: They shouldn't, but they're not.

Jack: But it's legal organization.

Cristina: They're not satanic as far as we can tell.

Jack: As far as we can tell. Right. Okay, now I'm gonna tell you about some different mentions of a lady in white. Let me correct that. Of a female in white. That matters. Female in white. This is a collection summarized again, it includes public records, police records, state records, Reddit posts, weird New Jersey blogs, and other related sources of this nature.

Cristina: Everything, everything.

Jack: All the mentions that people are like, I saw something equal parts. I made sure it was equal parts from all of them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: To summarize the ultimate logic of what I'm about to explain, this is also focus on time. Now, all these stories that I'm about to give you were told to these people by somebody in their family about this area.

Cristina: These are all stories.

Jack: These are all passed down stories. Not one of these is lived except the police records and the public records, which were literally. And the state records, those all existed prior to the Internet. These were just somehow mentioned one way or another. The Reddit, the weird New Jersey and the blogs, that's all people who've been told.

Cristina: That's what we're gonna do.

Jack: And a lot of the public records were transcribed with notations explaining that they were filling in some of the information that was lost through a flood or something. So a little bit of interpretation needs to be had for the pub, for some of these public records. But it doesn't matter when you see this consistency. 1965, a female in a nightgown is seen wandering the woods near Cross Castle. Female is in white. Either a raincoat. Oh, no, she's in a white raincoat, seen wandering and inspecting Cross Castle. Female in a nightgown exploring the reservoir lake. Those are the three. Female in a nightgown seen wandering the woods near Cross Castle. Female in a white raincoat, seen wandering, inspecting Cross Castle. Female in a nightgown exploring the reservoir lake. All of these happened 1965. Many, many, many, many mentions.

Cristina: Okay, these are like police reports.

Jack: Police reports, public records, state records, stuff like that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And like two of these were, oh, my granddad said something about whatever the f***. Reddit seems to be the most informed about what my grandfather said. 1966, the most consistent mention. Female in a nightgown reported sitting on the edge of the bridge where we would see the kid.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This was heftily reported at that time. It's still reported and it's been reported ever since. A lot of people online who see it all the time. There's a lot of people who. But it was so mentioned back then. And this is one year after the first mentions, which were the previous three. One year later. It's important to note that 1965 and 1966, the most common word in reports and mentions of any sort was girl, often paired with the word young. So young girl consistently being a descriptor. 1969, female, again, young girl, white dress, reported coming from the woods, screaming for help before disappearing. Happened consistently. Female, young girl, white dress, seen crying by the bridge, reported consistently. Female, young girl, white dress, seen wandering by the woods, reported consistently. 1972, three years later, female in white, dead now. So those three years, those were the reports we were getting. Basically, that's where that whole period of time, those who were throwing in there. So 1972, female in white dress or gown, scaring traffic and endangering drivers. That happens until 1977. Female in a white raincoat attempting to lure people into the forest.

Cristina: How so?

Jack: Trying to call them in. Help me and come in here.

Cristina: So, yeah, that was the last one of it.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Shadow Realm creature. I don't know. What else could it be?

Jack: I know, I know, man. I don't know. I don't know. Same person, it seems to be. Or if. If. Okay, let's play devil's advocate and say multiple women. Why are they all this uniform thing. They're all lost in this wood. They're all, oh, my God, help me. Can you take me out of here? Hitchhikers. Oh, please get me out. Some are sad. Oh, please, can I kill myself? Can I die?

Cristina: I don't know. I mean, it could be multiple things.

Jack: Are they running experiments on these girls and they're getting like phase in between and they just can't die. They're just stuck in these woods. Why is it always dressed the same? That's what's with me.

Cristina: Except we don't know if it's really white clothing.

Jack: We don't know. We don't know. But it's always bright enough that everybody thinks it's white at all times.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's bright enough that everybody unmistakably.

Cristina: We don't have the same. We don't have enough details to actually know it's the same person.

Jack: We. We don't have any physical details. Yeah, there been some people who gave them, but it varied so widely it didn't matter.

Cristina: Yeah. So it could totally be different people. It could be the same. I don't know if it's the same person. I think shadow realm creature if it's not. I kind of still think shadow realm creature. Creatures who just use the same skill. Like some type of animal or whatever.

Jack: Like incubus or some s***.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: I don't know, man. I don't know, man. There's some things here that totally throw me off. What's. What is it with raincoat?

Cristina: It's different outfits, though.

Jack: I think the description of the outfit stays pretty consistent though, because we have a raincoat, a nightgown. We have a nightgown. We have a robe or a dress. I would argue the dress is the outlier there.

Cristina: I don't know how. Robe and a raincoat.

Jack: They're all flat down.

Cristina: Are you saying like they look similar?

Jack: I think they all look similar. I think it's the same one outfit. Why? What they. She's got a color preference and can't choose anything but white.

Cristina: That's the.

Jack: They think she's not a Power Ranger, man.

Cristina: She's not wearing white. That's what I think. I don't know.

Jack: But why are they all so bright? Or maybe she's glowing.

Cristina: Maybe she's kiss. She's some type of creature of creatures.

Jack: They're all creatures, always in white. Always in white.

Cristina: Different creatures, same plan.

Jack: Very bright, maybe.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No, but if she's just fluorescent or bright, then she wouldn't look white. Her colors would be more obvious because it wouldn't be dark. Her colors would be unnaturally vibrant.

Cristina: Yes. I don't think she's a Ghost or echo. She's some kind of.

Jack: Seems logical. Like she's moving around. Right. It sees there.

Cristina: Yes. There might be still more than one.

Jack: Well, let me propose some things here. Some experiments were being done. Maybe they're still being done somewhere. The castle's gone, but, you know, somewhere in the woods there on the ground, whatever. And young girls are what they use. And so, you know, they use them. Whatever. We tried whatever experiment that phased you in between the. Whatever the. And it didn't work or did work or I don't know what the they're doing. And then they're like, okay, get the out. We don't care what you do now.

Cristina: Yeah. Because like, even if they ran away, they're stuck because they're in some type.

Jack: Of limbo and they've had some of them survive and figure out if I keep scaring people or saying here that it's scary already, I won't die or whatever, I won't disappear, go crazy or whatever the.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, maybe they figured that out. Maybe the few have figured that out. But there was a uniform they were wearing at whatever facility they were being experimented on.

Cristina: Yeah. They're usually dressed in white.

Jack: We know the children are leaving from our realm. That's a fact.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's no question about it. The fact that we're kidnapping all the children, are being kidnapped by all the rich people and being sold to the shadow realm. So somebody's running experiments. Maybe it's not even the shadow realm of the experiments are being run. Maybe we're still just trying to figure out how to cross realms easily. They're stuck in the woods. Why don't they get out? And we didn't never hear about them getting out. They don't think we have heard about some getting out, but they're stuck on the other side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They just leave the woods and make it somewhere else in the shadow realm. That happens to be on our side too.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Because although many of these mentions started here, they do show up all over the world later. Almost all of them.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: Almost everything that's come from Clinton Road.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that region.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I didn't even realize. The headless horse. That blows my freaking mind. That that originated there God knows how long ago and that spread everywhere.

Cristina: I guess. That is weird.

Jack: It's weird, right?

Cristina: They're coming from there because of the powerful spots.

Jack: Because it's a powerful spot. They're coming from there. They're leaving there.

Cristina: Which is weird because you think it'd be Where a mountain is. But that has nothing to do with it. Well, that's something related more to the sea people than it does to the shadow realm.

Jack: Yes. Because we know the shadow realm and forests get along the law. The Vikings got it. And it looks like we're. We're getting pretty close to, like, we don't know what happened, but.

Cristina: Gotta be some dead fairies in there, bro.

Jack: There's a dead everything in there.

Cristina: There's dead fairies. There's got to be fairy trees in that forest.

Jack: There must be fairy trees for a fact. I'm sure there are shadow creatures that have been killed in there. And I am so sure that so many people were sacrificed in those woods.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To make it what it is.

Cristina: Yeah. It's too strange. It's too. Too much is happening.

Jack: Too much that runs together. Option number two, Maybe it's not a bunch of little girls. Gown, robe and raincoat are very similar. Not the dress. Another thing that would fit in place of the dress would be lab coat. It fits exactly the same as a robe, as a raincoat or a gown. Could be a lab coat.

Cristina: You're seeing a scientist.

Jack: Could be literal scientists that you're looking at. But that doesn't make sense. So why would they say that? And they wouldn't think that, so they would think robe or this or that instead. Just spitballing. I don't know.

Cristina: That's weird. But, like, if a scientist lady was yelling at you, I don't know if you'd pay attention. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: It's a weird one. Okay.

Jack: Okay. Now I'm gonna tell you a bit of information, and then I'm gonna tell you all the years in which it happened. All the following years and mentions are all in a white raincoat and identically described. They are all summarized into these specific descriptions. Ultimately, every mention following these years, the descriptions are, one, wandering around the castle, Two, watching cars roadside, Three, throwing something near the bridge. Four, picking something up from under the bridge, and five, collecting water, doing something to the water, or wandering around the water of the lake. And the years that this is mentioned in crazy amounts. It was important to mention the specific years because that was the weirder part. 1991, 1992, 1993 suddenly stops until 1999, then again, 2001-2002-2003-2004, and then it stops until 2009. And then it stops again until 2019-2020-2021-2022, and then it stopped again. No mentions last year, no mentions this.

Cristina: Year of her at all of her.

Jack: In a raincoat, specifically doing any of those things I said all those suddenly stopped any year I didn't mention every year I did mention it was just going on. That's exactly who the f*** she was and what she was doing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: 91, 92, 93, huge jump. 99, 91.

Cristina: I mean, 2001, those other years that you didn't mention she was.

Jack: No mention of her in this very description.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the mentions of her in general were low. But no mentions of her in the lab coat or raincoat.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I picked this out because of the lab coat idea. These are just her in what people literally said a raincoat. She's just in a raincoat.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it. 91, 92, 93, jump to 99. 201. 02, 03, 04, jump to 09, jump 10 years to 209 to 2192-020202-12022. And then no mentions for two years. Strange stranger is the fact that 1991, there were the bombings at the Twin Towers that made people think there was a terrorist invasion happening. Weirder is that right before Y2K quote, unquote. 1999, active dies for 2024. I mean, 2000, when nothing is happening. And then 2001 rolls by and the Twin Towers get struck. And again, people have this fear of, oh, okay, terrorism.

Cristina: So now you're leading towards. She's gotta be some type of shadow realm creature.

Jack: And then we have 02, 03, 04, active kind of dies out for a little. And again in 09, not sure what that's about. And then 2019 suddenly pops up and is mentioned all the way to 2022, and then suddenly dies again.

Cristina: And if we look up those years, something bad you think happened, something horrible.

Jack: So somewhere, 01 through 04, she could be coasting off of the fear from, you know, war against terrorism or whatever we were saying at the time. 09, I don't know what happened. I don't know what happened on that. Obama got elected. Were people that scared? I don't know about that. I couldn't figure it out. I couldn't figure that one out. What's weird about 2019 is you showed up before the virus. The virus began in December. These mentions were happening all the way from January.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Popped up suddenly. Thick, heavy. How she beat the virus by, like, she beat the mention of even there's something wrong by, like, nine months. That's weird. That wasn't fear. That tells me something very Different. That tells me somebody can either measure when something is gonna happen somehow looking forward and show up ahead of time to get things in order.

Cristina: Yeah, makes sense.

Jack: Or somebody can orchestrate things happening.

Cristina: I don't know. But like, why would she be doing all of that? She's just in the right place at the right time.

Jack: In none of those instances was she not in Clinton Road.

Cristina: Yeah, exactly. She can't do anything. She's just there waiting for these events to happen.

Jack: And Clinton Road is what? Why is it channeling crap that happens elsewhere also just throwing information out there. If Clinton Road is pulling, presumably the castle of Cross Castle or the railroad or whatever the crap is happening. The mines, One of those two. Probably the mines, realistically. But one of those two is pulling in this energy that gets formed on this side so that it could be used by things from the other side. Is that what Santa Claus figured out? A channeling system where little amounts from across the world and get pulled into where he lives that he barely leaves.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And he could reserve that to do crazy s*** like move the whole world in one night.

Cristina: I don't know. Because I feel like you need a stone for something like that.

Jack: Maybe he built it with a stone.

Cristina: Okay. Then there's gotta be a stone that was built in that. I guess the conclusion still is that there was or is going to be a stone in that spot.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Because the stones are somehow related.

Jack: This is what I mean. Like, it's obvious. Obviously, the miner, the castle, got something weird. And one of those two places, without a doubt, we're gonna find something nuts that's gonna answer a craft ton of questions. But there's so much going on. I'd rather see if we could figure it out before we get there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because there's so much to go through.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like, I don't know, man. What does it look like? It looks like the problem is the aging problem. Right. So it could also be that maybe this is a scientist that grew up there. Not grew up there, but she was young, she aged working here. She understands the woods. And so people have seen her many times. And maybe sometimes she's running experiments. What makes me think that is the collecting water, doing something to the water or wandering around the water by the lake, also running experiments, like try to.

Cristina: Tell them that she needs help.

Jack: I think I have a theory about that. I have a theory about that. I think she is an inevitable scientist. I think she's like one of these other people who went through a weird series of events and then joined something like the. The earth gods or the sun gods or something. It was like, okay, by chance, you seem to fit a weird role we can make for you. I think she kind of fits that in that maybe weird experiments were. In fact, this might. This is my theory in the background, right?

Cristina: You think this is from the past, though, or the future?

Jack: From the past. I think in 1952, Druids showed up and were doing some experiments intentionally trying to do something. Maybe they were experimenting on some chick, probably trying to recreate people or what, I don't know. Probably trying to do something similar to biblical things. I don't know. And this girl that was. Girl at that point was one of the subjects or whatever the crap. And she, you know, got whatever happened phased or stuck or maybe not even. Maybe she can leave and like, who the f*** knows? Maybe she can. Maybe she's the one who can actually f****** just come and go. I don't know. But she then freaks out at the beginning, and we see her a bunch running and asking for help. Help me. Can you see me? Do you see me? And she's crying by the lake and crying by the bridge. And that's all at the beginning, all that together. Young girl, crying and confused. But as she gets older and as the descriptions get more away from girl and start leaning towards lady, then, you know, she's over it. It seems like a person who's been dealing with it for a while. Again, my theory, I don't know. Been dealing with it for a while because the mentions of girl and the mentions of crying and asking for help kind of fizzle out. And then we get to a period where we just see her sad and somber and like, kind of like, you know, depression. Made peace with it.

Cristina: And then she's suicidal, though.

Jack: She seems like, yeah, maybe I'll kill myself. Maybe I'll figure out a way to die or something. But then that also fades away. And eventually we get this person that seems very purposed. They're over here doing this, they're interacting. They're doing that. They're doing. Their sadness is gone now. It's just like a serious individual kind of actively doing things, almost ignoring people who notice them. Like, whatever. Yeah, people on the other side, huh? Sure, whatever.

Cristina: Doing what, though?

Jack: That's the weirdest part. And what makes me most confused is collecting water, doing something to the water. What a weird series of descriptions that was. And wandering around the lake. So some experiments were definitely being run at the lake.

Cristina: Yes, but what.

Jack: And then she was wandering around the castle. She's Been seen wandering roadside. She's been seen throwing something near the bridge and she's been seen picking something up from under the bridge. Just science going and exploring and like checking things out.

Cristina: It's hard to tell these.

Jack: All of these are in lab coat or raincoat, which I am calling a lab coat for this theory.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: It's just her outfit's so very. It's hard to say just to say that it's a lab coat.

Jack: I don't know if anybody in a panic fear mode can really identify clearly when they're also similar.

Cristina: Just.

Jack: I mean, I guess a gown and a robe are quite distinct.

Cristina: That's tough. Yeah, I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Just theories, you know. I don't know. This is just weird patterns that formed looking at this.

Cristina: Is she just a scientist or some type of experiments?

Jack: Yeah, maybe. There's a bunch of these girls, they're actually just stuck out there. I don't know. I don't know. Something about the space time anomaly is affecting them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If there's multiple girls and yes, they're stuck there because why would there be more than one? They're definitely just trapped there.

Cristina: What do the men in black have to do with anything?

Jack: What was that? About three years of them consistently coming in and out and suddenly narrative changes.

Cristina: I mean, yeah, I guess something changed.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. Now it's kkk.

Cristina: That's weird because she didn't change.

Jack: When you look and you look for druids, when you look for images of druids, they're usually in white and they have a robe that has a hood. Not only that, if you look at the very robe that druids wore and you look at the same ones the necromancers were, they were identical. They're just often darker. For necromancers it's the same s*** almost down to the T. And you look at the ones that Zoroastrians wore and it was identical to the f****** one that the necromancer is just a whole mess.

Cristina: It's weird that she's never described wearing that type of robe though. All these outfits, but none of them are a rope. Like if it was a science coat, you might confuse that for. I don't know, I don't know. I don't think she's part of it.

Jack: We would have. We would have needed a science person to make one of these reports. Because the problem is this is by casual people, a lot of the Time. So we're like taking randos at their casual non well descriptive words and like their interpretation of whatever random series of situations they saw in plain darkness on a road that literally has nobody living there and no lights. So like, if any situation was ever vaguer, like, I don't know, all of this could be. A hundred percent of this could be unrelated. All of it. It could be unrelated. I don't know if it is because of. D***. The consistency is kind of hefty. Yeah, that's why I'm put it here. I put it like this again, it's just random information. But that's the problem. The problem that I began with. Problem one is that I don't know if all these women are in fact the same women. And if they are, then what the f*** happened? And if they're not, then what the f*** happened?

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: You didn't get anywhere other than just come up with more questions and solve anything?

Cristina: No, I don't know either. I'm confused. I don't know. Because it could be either or it.

Jack: Could be many women in experiments. We know experiments were happening and we know somebody's shutting the people who would report on about.

Cristina: Yeah, and we know so many people disappear in that area. Like how many of these women are just one of those disappeared?

Jack: Yes. How is anybody gonna prove it? They disappear if you get close enough.

Cristina: Yeah, tough, tough. Okay.

Jack: I don't know, man. I don't know what to tell you. That's just what I got. Well, the other problem that we definitely can't fit here, but we have to unpack at some point. This problem number two, the fact that there's a little boy and there's so many variations of this little boy in so many places. Little boy?

Cristina: Really? I thought it was just the bridge and the coins.

Jack: No, there's a lot going on and she interacted with them. Anyways.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Anyways, that's for next time.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Okay, so look, if you guys got any input on any of this information. Hey, look, it could be coincidence. I'm just looking at things. I'm comparing and contrasting. None of this matters. It's not important. It could mean nothing. I'm just a crazy person who reports on random things I find. And that's what's happening here and say any of this means anything, I got theories. I could be wrong, probably am wrong. Who knows? It's just more questions. Is it one, is it multiple? And then all the possibilities for either option. So look, if you got theories, hit me up. Hit us up. Let us know usconvopod on Twitter, Instagram on TikTok on Facebook x x remember.

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July 20, 2024

Rambling 282: Clinton Road: The Menu Part 3: Significance

July 20, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Is there any starting point for researching this Forest surrounding Clinton Road? What could be the most pressing amongst the sea of oddities? What can be found on the other end? The duo unpack the last of the reports from Clinton Road. This time, the clearly important bits are discussed.

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Topics Discussed:

Druid Activity
Disappearances
Satanic Panic
UFO Sightings
Mysterious Lights
Floating Orbs
Cross Castle
Mutilated Animals
Haunted Mines
Gnome Sightings
Invisible Barriers
Creepy Carvings

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+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where you and I ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideals. Yeah, no, that's legit, bruh. But okay, so recap, recap. Last time on Dragon Ball Z, for anybody who wasn't paying attention, Clinton Road for the hundredth billionth time, many years later, except now we have a lot of information to relook at it with. And so we've broken up the excess of things we have discovered. And we have separated into three categories, of which we discussed two already. Ones are echoes. Any long term listener understands an echo is a type of ghost that doesn't interact with anything. It's just literally a repeating something that isn't there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then phantoms on the shadow episode, probably shadow people, which is probably shadow people or other things that are just aware and they're physically and are aware of you and try to interact or can react. Those are not echoes. They're not just there not being responsive. They are there explicitly being responsive.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then today. Well, to clarify, in the echoes episode, we had some little details that the point of that was we were basically going down all the major events that happened in Clinton Road, breaking them up into these three categories. And with the echoes episode, it was to completely remove what we know isn't doing anything. But the point of discussing that to begin with was maybe something sticks out and is relevant. Which we have found a couple of things that we should look into. Because of the nature of those things, particularly intense distortions, directions, we could be looking at, whether it be a different realm or into the future to see how we can possibly determine something's happening. These kinds of details you've acquired. The phantoms episode was a sin. Well, the shadow episode is the same idea where we're trying to unpack phantoms. Phantoms are what we call the creatures that do interact, but we normally call ghosts. We've created a distinction. The phantoms are the type of ghosts that can interact, and they're usually just things in the shadow realm that you're interacting with.

Cristina: Yes. And they're spooky.

Jack: Yeah. A lot of them can be definitely.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Some of them are trolls. A pickup truck was definitely a troll.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Today's episode is the last part of our branch as we go through the Clinton Road menu.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And this is a collection of all the things That I know factually as we go down. Each one of these points is important. Without a doubt.

Cristina: It's all important.

Jack: It's all important. These are the things that all the. The other two sections were composed of things that, I don't know, could or could not be.

Cristina: But these relate to what we're trying to figure out.

Jack: This has ghosts, this has phantoms, this has tech. It's again, everything relevant that was factually relevant.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That wasn't in the other two lists. The other two list was just composed of those respective subjects, but that was unclear.

Cristina: May or may not be important.

Jack: Yeah, these are definitely important. And have things that should be on those two lists if they weren't obvious.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Every thing here matters now. Okay. The problem is that there was no way to order this more efficiently because of how important everything on this list is. So it's not like I can escalate gradually.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So I'm just gonna go for the number one thing here because it's the easiest for us to just kind of get into the groove and start to unpack this. But it is quite commonly stated and believed that human creatures. Human people. Not creatures. People. People. Humans. Humans.

Cristina: Humans. Okay.

Jack: Also wander these woods around Clinton Road. We know this.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I personally saw an individual doing something weird. Doing something weird. There was a town, like, adrift in this location where nothing else can get to. There are people now. Where it gets weird is the dialogue people have used to describe the people they have seen.

Cristina: These aren't normal people or they're not. They're. It's obvious that they're doing something sketchy.

Jack: There you go. Yeah. It's more about what they're doing, not who they are.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: So the stories are of cloaked figures, which we know. I personally saw a dude. And they're said to have been seen or glimpsed performing rituals of all sorts in the woods. And the word most commonly used to describe these individuals by people who are informed scholars who search for what people are talking about. Oh, it's spooky and blah, blah, blah. No, it's probably just this. The this they use is Druids. They believe they are Druid activity. Let's simplify. Druid people who work with occult things. Let's specify occult things in the context we're very familiar with. We're in a high energy displacement space time, problematic area. And people have seen cloaked individuals performing things that they would describe as magic if it wasn't technology.

Cristina: Yes. Crazy.

Jack: There was probably a necromancer there at some Point.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: That would fit what a druid is.

Cristina: Yeah. A necromancer.

Jack: There could have been.

Cristina: Which I guess, like St. Patrick. He would probably be described as a druid.

Jack: He would be described as a druid. Correct.

Cristina: Yes. Because what we know is they're in hoods. They usually have some kind of staff.

Jack: With a stone either in the staff or in a necklace.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's definitely a dialogue they're using with intention. And again, the fact that they use this word to describe it kind of reframes immediately the guy I saw instantaneously. You're not a KKK member, dude. You black? You're black. Black. So you're some other s***. But now let's take a step back. We use the word druid. Druid in this context means a magical individual. All the magical individuals we've known. I'm about to ask you to say something I haven't said myself yet. So put your thinking cap on. Where are they from? This is not a difficult question. Where are the people we have talked about doing magic from? Not which country. Which region?

Cristina: Which region?

Jack: Easy.

Cristina: I don't know. It's not a country.

Jack: Not a country.

Cristina: Not a country. The sea people. No. What region?

Jack: Where is Iran? Where is the Middle East? The Middle East.

Cristina: They're doing magic.

Jack: Oh, God. Okay, I got a. Let me grab your hand and walk you through it. The Middle east is the only mention we've seen of every single necromancer, every single magic activity has ever happened that began with somebody wearing a hood. It happened in the Middle East. We have no outside source that ever had a necromancer, ever had somebody who fit these descriptions anywhere else. It's always been in the Middle East.

Cristina: What about Sansa? He's in the North Pole. And the guy, Merlin? He's not in the Middle East.

Jack: They're not wearing hoods. I used these words so specifically. Guys doing magic wearing hoods is literally what I just said. Those individuals have only. We've only found mentions of them in the Middle East. Now another question I have not explicitly said, but is the obvious answer to this. They are in the Middle East. What is their skin color? Not a hard question.

Cristina: They're brown.

Jack: Darker than brown. Oh, they're very bronze.

Cristina: Is this important?

Jack: The guy in the woods that's wearing a hood is dark. I don't. How are you not connecting these dots, bro? Okay, I'm gonna stop trying to get you guessing.

Cristina: Are they saying the same thing, though, in their description?

Jack: No, I'm telling you what I personally Saw.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're saying there's druids in the woods and he's wearing. They're wearing, you know, they got cloaks and they're doing the things that, you know, necromancers fit. And then I saw a dude wearing a robe and it so happened to be a D skinned dude.

Cristina: Yes, dude.

Jack: The dots are connecting. But no, no worries. I'm gonna just connect all the dots and I'm gonna just flat out explain that.

Cristina: Like, did they describe it like that too?

Jack: No, I would have said that. But the point is I'm making the connection that there's a dude with robe.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: In the place where they're saying there's people with robes doing things and we see him with a machete. Then we get to a animal sacrifice. Like, all the parts are just lining up.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: No explanation required, but I will continue to just explain it instead of asking. But the point being that's definitely fitting the suit. Dark skinned dude in a robe definitely did something sketchy with an animal.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And he's walking away from it. That's what I see. But that just fits them. Talking about rituals being performed in the woods by druids.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: That's weird. Now I wouldn't have put those things. I was thinking KKK. That's. At the entire time, since 15 years ago when it happened, I've only thought, yeah, it's okay. But it doesn't make sense to have that thought because this guy is dark also.

Cristina: What does it do you have to do with a kkk?

Jack: Yeah, like, well, the area is drowning with them. That's a very, very KKK present area. But why would he be a member? Unless he's a troll who's using it to, like, disappear into. But he was visibly just walking around. You could see his arms. You can see, you know, and it's like, okay, it has a KKK vibe, but I can see your face. So it's not a hood that's literally covering your face. The assumption was, you know, he has it lifted and, like resting on his head. But maybe it's just a literal hood, not a mask. And maybe you're in a robe, not a cloak.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And maybe you were performing a ritual.

Cristina: Just out there like that. That's kind of crazy.

Jack: Literally what they say happens.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Rituals in the woods.

Cristina: Yeah, but you weren't in the woods. You're so.

Jack: You wouldn't have to literally be in the woods. They're not in a building would be the point of staying in the woods. It's outdoors. They're outdoors. Performing sketchy things would be the sort of general idea here.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're not hidden doing it because otherwise how would people see them? I'm sure that in the woods has meant some people have seen them on the street as well, just, like, doing weird things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so you move around them. At least that's what we saw. And the thing is, all of us saw that. All of us saw the animal, and all of us saw the dude. It was unclear what the dude was holding. Two of us thought machete, two of us thought shotgun. But by the time we get to the animal, there's kind of not really a debate here because it's sliced open. Two of us are right, two of us are wrong.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But weird. Anyways, the other weird part about that moment, that quote druid, unquote, is that moment of the machete or the shotgun, because what. How could we not tell? But let's back up and talk about what we know about Clinton Road and what we know about the shadow realm. Clinton Road has high distortions. That guy might have not even been present. That guy could have been in the shadow realm, and we were seeing the distortions of the shadow realm. That would explain both happening.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's a distorted image of somebody on the other side.

Cristina: Yes, but did the deer look like it was from.

Jack: Well, no, the deer was cleared on this side.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And maybe he used whatever he got from the deer.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we were seeing him phase in the middle. The veil was thinnest right after he took it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because he needed the veil to thin for him to cross. And then we're seeing him slowly distorting more and more as it goes through his system and he crosses over to the other side. Weird.

Cristina: Okay, but he didn't, like, disappear in front of you guys. Like, it wasn't, like, that type of spookiness, was it?

Jack: So the debate that we had following this moment, because we're driving and then he's in the back mirror, we assumed it just got so dark that there's, like, a threshold that you just instantly get sucked into the dark.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. So, like, it appeared like he disappeared.

Jack: It appeared like he tried to make.

Cristina: It make sense, but it could just.

Jack: Be that, again, we were in a car, he was on foot. Like, the dark could have just swallowed him instantly. Beyond some point, he did get smaller and smaller and suddenly gone, which is possible. It's totally possible. We were also spooked by the fact that we just saw some random dude out here in the woods with the machete or shocker. So, yeah, we're maybe not focused. It's already, you know, the sits, the place and the situations already getting to us a little.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But we'll leave that there. Who knows? The next one is this. This is one we're definitely gonna have to unpack in detail one day.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There are giant lists. Giant lists of people who've gone into these words and never been seen before. Like, again, they're just gone.

Cristina: They're just gone.

Jack: Gone. People missing in these woods all the time. All the time. They disappear. These woods are not big enough for. So for there to be lists and nobody to find them, just. It's not big enough. You'd find them. You'd find them. You'd send crazy search parties and find them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Nobody's been found. They're just gone. Everybody. All of them.

Cristina: How long is the list at the moment?

Jack: About 300 people.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Okay, spread out, spread out. It's not like 300 people last year.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, through all the time, we've recorded about 300 people wandered, never been seen.

Cristina: Again for like 200 years. For a hundred.

Jack: For the past maybe like 30 years. That's a lot.

Cristina: Oh, okay. 330 years. Whoa.

Jack: Yeah, that's a lot. There's people wandering and vanishing and wandering and vanishing.

Cristina: You know, if there's, like, groups of.

Jack: People that disappeared as well, like entire groups have vanished. Yes.

Cristina: What is that?

Jack: Well, there's an answer for what that is based on the fact that they vanish in an area that shouldn't be so easy to lose so many people. Where are they going?

Cristina: Someone's eating them up.

Jack: I guess they're going to slip into the other side. Yeah. Yeah, they're. They're falling through some of these thin places into different times or falling into different spaces.

Cristina: Oh, you think different times.

Jack: They could just go through one and. I mean, they're still the one that overlooks the lake and is always looking into a time in which there are people at the la.

Cristina: Yeah. And there's. There's a spot like the. The tall grass in there as well.

Jack: There could be. Where everything is intersecting. Yeah. Once you're in your track, that'd be crazy. Maybe that's what they are. Maybe there is a situation like that going on.

Cristina: Those are crazy.

Jack: I would argue the tall grass is kind of based on some concept like that that somebody, you know once read about or something, and, oh, how interesting. And it's like. That's kind of real, man. It's kind of Kicking around reality a little bit crazy.

Cristina: But it could also be that they're being killed off because, like, who knows what's in there? All these stories of monsters.

Jack: Like, not even.

Cristina: They gotta eat.

Jack: Not even stories of monsters. Let's go to how people try to explain this. Because that's the next important thing.

Cristina: How they try.

Jack: How they try to explain it. This takes us back to the castle. They believe that Luciferians inhabit the castle and that their cults operate in that area, leaving behind strange symbols. This is literally written, as I'm saying it. Symbols and sacrifices of unfamiliar animals. Now, how would we identify a Luciferian? Well, you're just guessing who they are. A Luciferian who's performing a ritual would be indistinguishable from a Druid, wouldn't it? Yes, except you call them a cult. You're saying an individual is a Druid and a group is a Luciferian. Why couldn't there be a group of Druids?

Cristina: Yes. And they're sacrificing Shadow Realm creatures.

Jack: Shadow Realm creatures. Now we're getting to something.

Cristina: Yeah, weird.

Jack: There are symbols which are transmutations. You can convince me of anything else. You could not convince me. S*** else is happening. Strange symbols, huh? That's too familiar.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then unfamiliar creatures being sacrificed. There is some sort of a portal somewhere around here that distorted everything. Those creatures are coming in and they're bringing them in. Or something happened in the future, in the past. This is the hotspot and they're keeping it safe. Hence the sacrifices. It's not sacrifices. They're killing whatever comes through that shouldn't be here.

Cristina: But then how, if they're keeping it safe, like they're still mad people going missing.

Jack: That's why they need to be there, keeping it safe. If they're keeping it safe, what would happen if they weren't?

Cristina: Oh, okay, so you're saying it'd be so much worse.

Jack: It'd be so much worse. At least they can keep it contained in the woods of Clinton Road. You see? Now, if they're the ones causing it, then we are talking about an area, and this is gonna. I don't know how the f*** I didn't think about this last week when we were talking about the Phantoms in the Shadow episode. But I literally mentioned that the Vikings had created a forest through continuous sacrifices in order to stay in contact, be able to traverse and communicate with things from the other side. How the f*** is this any different than that?

Cristina: No, it's the same thing. They're probably talking to A co. Uncle God.

Jack: Hella people go missing. That sounds kind of accurate to what the Viking were doing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Creatures from who knows where. People hear voices when they're there. People slip in and out of places they're unfamiliar with. Everything jumbles around.

Cristina: The same story, just a different location.

Jack: Yes. It's a modern day portal location. It's a sacred forest to cross into the shadow Realm in Clinton Road.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The argument is whatever the h*** happened once we crossed Paradise Road into the town of paradise, we weren't on this side anymore. That's why it was jumbled. But then we didn't consume anything to get there.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So we must have been on this side and it was just because again, if the steps that we're talking about are as we're talking about them, then the Druid I did see needed the thing to cross. We didn't consume anything. So we were watching a really hot spot on this side of that side. Yeah. We were just watching that side essentially. Without being there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like the thinnest part of the veil.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Without crossing. And so it behaves almost like we're over there.

Cristina: Yeah. But you need something to actually be there.

Jack: So then this brings up another question. Is it possible to thin the veil so much? It's almost the same place.

Cristina: Like you don't need anything.

Jack: Like you don't need anything. If that's what's happening in paradise, then paradise is an actual. And listen to me what I'm about to say, this makes so much sense. If paradise is just the thinning of the veil, then you can coexist. When people from the other side. We go back to the origin of Halloween and Christmas and all these things when they will go to these graveyards. It's where the veil is very, very, very, very thin. And they can just people who are dead and. But also be careful. There's creatures there who might harm you. There is a town in Norway where there are people from the shadow realm, people from Elfim and people from earthrealm living together. In no moment that we ever come across a line that said anybody crossed anything to get there, we just know they're there together. There's two locations like that. That's just one of them. Is it possible that these locations are extremely focused so that you don't need anything and people don't have to cross, but you can still see people from the other side. Additionally, in situations like the judge sleeping in somewhere, these spots, it would just be one. He never went in.

Cristina: He never went in. No. That makes it make so much sense.

Jack: He abused the knowledge of being in this twisted place repeatedly and got familiar because the veil is so thin. It's not the same place.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He didn't slip anywhere. And he could see them like they're standing in front of him even if they're not.

Cristina: Yeah. And his sister probably took something though, once they. She made the deal with the other girl or whatever.

Jack: The other girl actually. They both actually crossed. But they had to learn how to do it.

Cristina: Yeah. But I don't think he did.

Jack: I don't think he did. I think there's a. I think there are places within veils where you can just interact and it's the same place the them into us. And we haven't thought about this before, but it checks out. Because the way that fear thins the veil.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Means you could get it if you can just keep applying the same logic and never have adrenochrome. You never bring adrenochrome into the equation. You just keep applying more and more and more and more and more and more fear.

Cristina: That's why you were there. But it was different.

Jack: But it was different. But there are conflicts to this theory. What Twin towers fall. There's a crazy amount of fear. New York didn't suddenly shift.

Cristina: It's not a hot spot.

Jack: It would have created a hotspot. If the fear is what's doing it. Or are we talking that you need to create technologies to thin the veil to this point?

Cristina: Possibly.

Jack: So from the other side creatures can come to this. I would fear alone. But we need some catalyst.

Cristina: Yeah. Because we see all this time distortion thing going on. That's not happening.

Jack: That's not happening over there.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Another theory for the same idea of the thinning veil is what if it's literally the same thing to get across. How do I put it? We need fear. They can see us. What if there's something on that side they have to do and then we see them give a point. What's the fear equivalent?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If it's one to one, what's over there that we need over here to suddenly start seeing them? Ooh, we haven't thought about that.

Cristina: I don't know. That's tricky. I don't know.

Jack: But makes sense.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If that's the case and is the kids in the playground who aren't there, they could get scared and then that, you know, thins that area a little more because foreign and exciting and. Oh my God. Well, we're kind of spooked out. There's people camping out there looking for things too, from the other side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It could be just as scared.

Cristina: So you think it works both ways? The fear itself.

Jack: Both sides are horrified because it's a fun place to go be scared.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so both sides are going and kind of scaring each other, not knowing. Oh, my God. There's something over there. People. People. It's just people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There are things. There's dangerous things. There's wolves and there's bears and there's snakes and poisonous and birds and crap and weird chimeras and. But also on the other side too. Just whatever things they got. But also they see weird things. But it's just us and we see weird things and it's just them.

Cristina: That's. Agree. That makes sense.

Jack: Makes so much sense.

Cristina: Yeah. It's just fear works the same over there as it does over here. Okay.

Jack: And if it's not literally fear, we can just put the value of X and call it fear. Anyways, they have something.

Cristina: We got something that works the same.

Jack: Interesting. Useful, right? Yes, interesting. Everything on this list is useful. It's important. And in like crazy thought reframing.

Cristina: Wow. Yeah.

Jack: So there's definitely something weird going on. I don't know if they're causing it or trying to contain it. Unclear. That's what we need to be looking at that castle for.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But it brings up the theory that there is something going on. And then the Druid himself walking through having gotten some ambrosia, fades away because he crossed over. Meaning you do need the thing to cross over. But then we connect the fact that we didn't consume anything when we were in paradise and it seemed that we.

Cristina: Did crossover some event happening is important. The time distortion thing, because we would have these still anywhere. Like, why is this the spot?

Jack: No, 100%. 100%. I do agree. I think this is an overlap of many things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I think things happened here either on the other side in the future or in the past. And that created just enough disturbances had to happen so long ago or so far in the future or somewhere we just can't find that then makes us not know what this is. And it's just a unique place that we can't be like, oh, no. It's unique because of that. We don't have that answer. So we're just like, oh, it's weird and spooky and that gets people excited to go there. And then that sort of perpetuates the fuel of fear and crap.

Cristina: But something had to start.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Not sure where, when, but something yeah.

Jack: The distortion seems to be unrelated to the spooky s***, even if it kind of resulted in it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's just this came first and it allowed for other s*** to happen and now this s*** happens as a result of the curiosity from that s***. But it's still a super hot spot because it's where the thing, whatever happened.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So it's kind of like all of the things overlapping in one spot, making it this kind of complicated amalgamation of all the things we would define as ghosts and horror and mysterious. Now this brings us to the next part, which is again why we have to start looking in this area more seriously. Because the next sentence, I must say it as they describe it, but then we know really what it means, which is there are quite a hefty number of reports that identify flying objects that could only be described by the individuals as aliens.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: UFOs everywhere. We know who the UFO are.

Cristina: The sea people.

Jack: The sea people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And this is a hot spot that all this ghost activity and then we have UFOs. No, they're observing and probably landing places and checking out. Because they're probably the ones with s***.

Cristina: Yeah. They probably end up doing something there that causes whatever to happen to happen.

Jack: Exactly. You tell me UFOs. I know who we're talking about. You tell me UFOs over weird time lapse hot spots within places and shadow realm creatures. I'm like, bro, yeah. There's only one group of people that's doing this.

Cristina: Yes. And they're a group of scientists. Anyway, like obviously they're doing something weird, even if it's to stop themselves from doing the weird thing. Like some kind of Star Trek thing.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: They end up doing it anyways.

Jack: But then this tells us something else interesting. They do come out because these sightings are recent. The spot is recent. This is all recent.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This is the first mention we have modern day of something that is probably the sea people. Now. It would just be UFO and people being crazy if it wasn't where the f*** it is.

Cristina: Yeah. But is the same thing. Does that happen in the ranch that we were talking about a while ago?

Jack: Yes. So, yes. UFOs drowning in there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Weird, right? I mean, that was the whole thing we're talking about. It's paranormal, but it really means just ghosts and aliens and it's like.

Cristina: Yeah, yes, yes, yes.

Jack: There's a pattern here where you have a lot of quote, ghost unquote activity. You have aliens and it's like neither one of these are what you guys think they are.

Cristina: And before those stories, you had fairy story.

Jack: Yeah. In the same places.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, interesting. In both places. Kind of painting a lovely. It's becoming too easy to find what we're looking for.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The. In the collective of what they don't know is all one thing. Paints us the picture we're looking for. Kind of crazy, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now deeper into the rabbit hole. We got creatures that are unfamiliar, creatures that are likely familiar things that are probably the scientists. We know rituals. We got thinning veils. We got the clear shadow realm overlap. We got weird things everywhere.

Cristina: Everywhere. Yeah.

Jack: And then people say they see what they could only describe as sentient lights or orbs moving through the woods, responding to people and avoiding people. Usually the size of a softball.

Cristina: That sounds familiar.

Jack: I'm thinking fairies. I'm thinking this s*** has everything still to this moment.

Cristina: Till this moment.

Jack: I think all of it is in there. I think these are fairies and we're seeing what they would look like without coming through.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: We're seeing the shadow realm equivalent of fairies. Never thought about it. How would they look like if they didn't come fully, but they were still on their side watching us, if we thinned that veil.

Cristina: Interesting, because I. I don't know if we've talked about fairies like that.

Jack: Never cross our minds. It would apply the same. If it's all the same.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It would just be a different direction, but the same idea.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. They just see them moving around.

Jack: That's like an impossible to catch. Impossible. Just super fast. And seem to, like, not be phased by creatures. And just totally like the overpowered thing that doesn't care about anything is that orb. And it's like, weird. I can't confirm it's a fairy. I cannot.

Cristina: No, but.

Jack: But, like, what else could we be talking about? Yeah, we'll pin that as fairy for now.

Cristina: Mm. Could be a shadow realm creature.

Jack: Yeah, it could be. But the fact that it's a light kind of argue because the shadow realm. They named the shadow realm because of its dark characteristics.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: The fact that this is bright, a bright glowing orb, it's like, oh, okay. That's some whole other thing you're talking about.

Cristina: Okay. You know, yeah, that makes sense.

Jack: But yeah, that. That one caught my attention because I'm like, I've never thought about this, but I could only explain this as the opposite of the shadow realm, which I would say is all fame and, like, how would they look like if these guys look like shadows but they're not?

Cristina: What would the other guys look like?

Jack: They would look like light even if they're not. And definitely the most important thing here is Cross Castle, which is specifically the ruins of the castle that it's said to be haunted by spirits and consistently visited by alien presence. Which is like, bro, it's always being like, aliens are always a UFO's always hanging around. It's like, brother, come on, you just tell me.

Cristina: The Druids are doing rituals.

Jack: That's where Luciferians are at.

Cristina: Yeah, it's.

Jack: It's obviously there. Yeah. You're telling me aliens are watching Luciferians in a place where they're performing rituals and when weird creatures come out of. Come on, bro, that is.

Cristina: That's too much.

Jack: That's too much happening all in one place. None of this is coincidence. The fact that people are talking about it like it's random. Separate is stupid to me.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like you guys really think all this separate is happening simultaneously? Just maybe it's all one thing. Whoa. Yeah. As I go through it, it's just gonna get dumber because it's gonna be so obvious. You don't even need any of the information we've uncovered to really understand what's happening.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: At this point, like, bro, obviously, obviously. But yeah. So Cross Castle, that's gonna be the main focal point. And I think as we unpack all of the details that matter to all these right now we're just skimming through, and then we're gonna truly deep dive into all these things. We're. We're in here for the long.

Cristina: Starting at Cross Castle, right?

Jack: No, we're ending at Cross Castle. That is the last point we will get to.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Because I'm sure when we get to that, all the other points are going to become null and void. So I want to leave that for last so that we just don't run out of s***.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: But Cross Castle will be the very last visit out of all the things we deem are important here. Now, revisiting the mysterious animals that seem to be unknown, there are a couple of things that ring familiar with the descriptions of these animals. Now, oftentimes are considered exotic because people are just unfamiliar with the animals that there are. But there are two descriptions that ring very powerfully. There is an old research paper of a journalist who was digging through these things, John McLean. And John, in looking at these things, says a nearby zoo had animals escape. According to their mention, the zoos.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But it seems that there was no forced entry upon police speculation. So it must have been a clean job. It's a zoo. There's no such thing as a clean job. So they gave the animals to somebody. That's weird. One fact random. Other note from a different. These are not journalists, these are people, okay, describing what they've seen, claim that the animals they witnessed are hybrid animals. Chimeras, literally.

Cristina: We do know about a scientist that was working on chimeras in real life.

Jack: Though, about many sciences.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now where this becomes relevant is when we look at what was taken from the zoo. Lions went missing.

Cristina: Sea people's favorite animal.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay, yeah. Were there horses?

Jack: Horses went missing, huh? You got anything else? You're on point.

Cristina: Those are the only two main ones I can think of.

Jack: Horses went missing, lions went missing, eagles went missing.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: You see where we're going? It's just visually on point.

Cristina: We got the flying horse. The flying horse.

Jack: Eagle, flying lion. Oh, exactly. What the we're supposed to be seeing is what went missing from the. And no broken entry. How'd you take eagles? How'd you take horses? How do you take lions? No broken entry. Come on, you serious? That's a breeding ground. Those animals were donated, by the way.

Cristina: They're donated.

Jack: They were donated to the zoo. Oh, zoo's in on something, isn't it? Oh, you see, it's weird lines. It's like we don't even need to dig deep to understand some of these pictures. You tell me exactly what's missing over there is what people saw. Hybrid over here. What are the odds?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Just a coincidence, you know, just like they think isn't this is unrelated to that. It's just all random coincidence. It just so happened to be that only horses, lions and eagles are stolen and you see hybrid lion, horse, eagles over there. It's fine, it's unrelated.

Cristina: Unrelated. Okay, you're going.

Jack: You jump into speculation, man. What are the odds that exactly what's taken over there shows up over there? Fused.

Cristina: Were there any other animals taken?

Jack: No. Okay, horses, lions and eagles specifically. Yeah, no broken entry. The two explanations are escaped and were stolen in neither case could have happened. No, neither could have happened. You guys had to open and let them be taken. That's the only way. Yeah, crazy random details, not saying any of this means anything for anybody who thought this was always just coincidence after seeing everything put together. But whatever, you know, total coincidences. Then we get still on the topic of animals, what people describe as. And we know exactly what these are. Phantom animals, ghostly sightings of long dead pets, including dogs, cats, appearing alone in these areas. Very interesting detail here that these ghost creatures are pets. And that they're in this area because it would be the place where you would see the things from the other side. And if the veil is incredibly thin, then if you live in the area, your dog looking for you follows your scent like a wetchudge would and lands in Clinton Road tracking you. And then you see your long lost dog who's been dead for a while.

Cristina: Do they say like if they behave like an echo or.

Jack: No, these are just fully. Yeah, they feel like these are actually phantoms interacting and like. Oh my God, is that my dog? Oh my God. And then disappears.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And it's like. Okay.

Cristina: This makes sense to be a spot where they'd.

Jack: Exactly. Where they would pop up. This fits the graveyard.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That very well. People will go there because it's just a beacon for dead s***. And then you can go see your loved ones there.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: This could be the same thing. It's just a beacon for dead s***. And anybody who lives close maybe comes here to scare themselves once in a while, but your s*** is already in there somewhere. And once in a while you might just cross paths and see it. So I think that's very interesting. Weirdly and. Yeah. Yeah. It's weirdly enough. A lot of the visitors, like, this is my first time here. Like I saw my dog in there. It's like. Yeah, it's a beacon for deadship. Yeah, it's the hot spot. One of the. The other point that this makes me think about if the Vikings had one and we have one. Every major populated wooded area where people go missing is probably some s*** like this.

Cristina: Yeah, you gotta look into every.

Jack: There's an easy one. Japan has a forest of death where people allegedly go and commit suicide.

Cristina: Yes. There's gotta be weird stories coming out of there. If anyone just goes in there, they go in for the stories, but they see other s***. They gotta.

Jack: Yeah, I am sure now with the perspective this all we ever get more information. And then it enlightens other situations. And now we know this is probably the same as the Vikings place, which means we have a second one of these. But if there's two, then there are more.

Cristina: So much more. Yes, yes, yes.

Jack: There has to be a lot. And if we're talking Japan has the forest of death and Jesus went to Japan.

Cristina: That has been chosen for a reason. Okay.

Jack: F****** force is old, bro. Ours isn't. That forest is.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's been spooky to people for millennia.

Cristina: Yes. There's got to be some kind of energy or something that is involved.

Jack: Something. There is More important, Jesus himself thought that.

Cristina: Mm

Jack: Now we move to the next part of this. Here we're talking about undeniable s*** that we don't have to theorize about. Specifically with the next thing I'm about to say. People have found items in the woods that they believe look like cursed artifacts and relics. They use the term magic. That oftentimes when somebody tries to reach one of this, they've seen these artifacts begin to glow.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Or behave weird. Oh, it looks like a rock. And when I try to reach for the symbols on it light up or something. And it's like, maybe you're just looking at technology.

Cristina: Fairy technology, Shadow Room technology, Elysian technology.

Jack: Why would it look like our stuff unless it was made by earthlings. Okay, which would be the.

Cristina: But you said cursed.

Jack: They're describing it as cursed.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: People who don't know who wandered through the woods. All of this is just people who don't know. Every description we've given, there's people who don't know and they say cursed. They see a piece of stone with symbols on it, they reach for it and it glows. And they're like, it's cursed. That's an uninformed assessment of a piece of technology you're looking at.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: Of course, anything sufficiently advanced enough would look like magic. That makes sense. Oh, I reached for it lit up. It's cursed. It's woods with Luciferians. There seem to be demons in here. And then I find a rock with a diabolical looking symbol. I reach for and it lit up. It's cursed. Checks the narrative. It checks out with the narrative they're painting. Yes, but that means that there's so much activity here that there have been pieces of technology left, left, right. That means that some Alicians maybe have been killed in these woods running experiments. And like a wet judge breaks out.

Cristina: And like, off them, something horrible is happening there. So currently, not just in the future, is there something gonna happen, but there's.

Jack: Something currently happening, energy wise, we don't know. But we do know, activity wise, never stopped.

Cristina: Never stop.

Jack: We don't know if there's a giant machine being run, a machine that was run, or a machine that's gonna be run and where it's at. Exactly. We don't know any of that, but we do know activity wise, since the moment it began, it has not stopped.

Cristina: It's not gonna stop. And it's not gonna stop. Looks like it's not gonna stop.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yes. And I wonder if we'll see these items Again, yes.

Jack: So I actually have mad stars next to that now. Because we've found images of technology from the past. I want to see what the f*** there. Somebody had to be brave enough and pick one up and be like. Or took a photo on their phone or something. You know, show it to me. So I'm gonna dig and find something. I want to see what it looks like. And then. Is it in a book? Can we find a hieroglyph with an image of it? Yeah, you know, anything. Just give me one image and I will cross reference everything under the sun until I find something.

Cristina: We're gonna find something.

Jack: We have to. They. It's. It's more than one person saying this happened.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There are cursed artifacts that people have talked about. It's like, okay, okay, now we're on to something. And that's unquestionably something obvious.

Cristina: Yeah. But when I think of like, if they're gonna call something cursed, does that mean something happened to the people? You know?

Jack: Like, no, they don't know. They're. If they're reporting it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Nothing happened to them. They just don't know what they were looking at.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like, if they're telling you about it, they made it out.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Otherwise they wouldn't worry about the thing. They'd be like, people died in the wood, you know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're like, no, I saw a weird thing. It was probably cursed.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like, okay, then nothing happened. They're just using s***** language because they don't know better.

Cristina: Alright.

Jack: They don't know no better.

Cristina: You gotta check that out though.

Jack: So coming back to the idea of animal rituals, the. This is so related to me. Pretty often people find mutilated animals. That's just like a literal report. Mutilated animals usually on the curbside or roadside. Yeah. And the, the exact descriptions go like, they find animals in the woods. They're speculated to be result of the occult rituals. Oftentimes opened from the chest down to the belly button. You know, kind of that area.

Cristina: That's what you think you saw?

Jack: That's literally what I saw. Literally what I saw.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Literally what I saw. Yep. The deer cut straight from its neck all the way to its private parts and then just opened. That's it.

Cristina: And it looked like it just happened.

Jack: It looked like it just happened. I didn't think about this next part until this very moment. And now I'm disturbed because I think about this next part until this very moment. I've told you a thousand times about that deer.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I never once saw blood on him or the deer. That's f****** weird. I never thought about that for the last 15 years. Never crossed my mind. There was no blood. Not a bit. I told you. I even f****** walked and was looking at it up close. I was amazed by what the f*** I was looking at. The guy was in a white robe.

Cristina: Yeah. No blood.

Jack: No blood did cross my mind when nobody questioned anything.

Cristina: The deer. No blood.

Jack: Deer, no blood.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: Weird, yes.

Jack: Now I have less idea what I saw. That's weird. Now I have less idea what I saw. I don't remember any blood. I don't know why. I don't know why the f*** doesn't cross my mind.

Cristina: So right now the whole situation's weird.

Jack: Yeah, it is f****** strange as h***. This strange one spectral fog. So a thick, unnatural fog that rolls in suddenly, obscuring vision and often causing travelers to lose their way. Now people say this fog is so confusing, it feels like the Roger movie. Is this fog literally what it looks like? When the veil is thinning more, you're seeing the other side, so it looks unclear.

Cristina: Yes. When you saw. But you didn't see fog?

Jack: I didn't see fog, no. But also we crossed something.

Cristina: Yeah, I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. Something to look at. I got everything here. Something to look at. All of it somehow relevant.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We've never heard this before. First mention of a fog that rolls in right before things start to jumble up.

Cristina: But you saw things jumbling up and no fog.

Jack: No fog. I saw a jumbled up mess and I never saw fog.

Cristina: Strange. I don't know.

Jack: Okay, let me do some f****** rapid fire. Running out of time. G******. Okay, okay. This is important as f*** because I didn't even know this existed. I only found. This is one of the. It's towards the bottom of this list because it's one of the last things I found. Just looking through this and I'm like, what the f***? Nobody's ever mentioned this. There are mines out there. Mine, mine. There's old mine tunnels said to be haunted by spirits of miners who died in them. People have been seen coming in and out of the mines, bruh.

Cristina: People might be going in and out of the mines.

Jack: I don't think that's Rose, bro. Think about this real hard.

Cristina: We know people are experimenting.

Jack: There are mines going way out of sight. Let's take another moment. Eloi built his lab in a cave. When you go into those caves, you see the pipes going in random directions.

Cristina: Yeah. This could be a lab.

Jack: This could be a f****** Lab.

Cristina: I think it's a lamp.

Jack: The castle isn't in the center. The mines are. Of course, if we were to ever find a huge energy displacement, something, something. I think it's more likely to be in the mines. To be in the mines?

Cristina: Yeah, I think so.

Jack: It's also weird that that's the least mentioned thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: There's been mines there this whole time.

Cristina: Well, who's gonna be exploring the mind?

Jack: It's not about exploring them. Why don't people talk about them? That's all. Just mention it more often. I've heard so many of these other things, I've never once heard of the mines.

Cristina: Most people disappear at the mines.

Jack: Fair enough.

Cristina: Who knows?

Jack: Like, fair enough. Fair enough. That's definitely, like. I do believe if we. If we're looking for something, it's the castle or the mines, one or the other. And at this point, knowing the past, it's probably the mines, not the castle. Castle is probably home or, you know, the top of the mountain. The place you get to before you walk to the other place. Yeah.

Cristina: The mines has to do with the sea people, but the castle has to do with the Shadow realm, the necromancers.

Jack: So we're talking just a hot spot for, like, literally, not just for activity of other things, but, like, there. Different groups are coming here to use this.

Cristina: Mm. We got fairies. We don't have any fairy trees.

Jack: We don't have fairy trees, but I'm about to blow your mind. Now that you mentioned fairies. One of the most consistent sightings of things here are gnomes. Weird, weird gnomes.

Cristina: Have we spoken about gnomes somewhere else?

Jack: Yes, we've briefly addressed gnomes. Gnomes, yes.

Cristina: Weird. Okay.

Jack: Oh, yes. And gnomes are fairies. Very type of fairy.

Cristina: Okay. Are they hanging out by the mines or they're just random.

Jack: No. And just in the woods, along with orbs, along with all the weird creatures, just random spottings of these things. Everything is out here. All of it.

Cristina: I bet there's fairy trees. But of course, no one could find the fairy trees.

Jack: If you did, how would you tell? Yeah, how would you tell? I bet there is a fairy tree. I bet if we look hard enough, we could find a fairy fort.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I mean, dude, there's the mine and there's the castle. Come on, bro. Everybody has a base here. Yeah, it's not big enough to lose a s*** ton of people, but it's big enough to have a couple of bases in here.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You know, it's starting to paint a real vivid picture. I think we're looking at a spot that's kind of like the city up in Norway. I think we're looking at a spot that's kind of like the city in India. These places where, you know, amalgamations of people get together and they can kind of coexist and maybe. Neutral zone. It's a neutral zone. You are beef. Whatever. You know, we got the un. I might hate you as a country, and you hate me as a country, and we're gonna go bomb each other later. But at the un, we all shut the up and we're just. Nothing happens here, or everybody here bombs you.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so that would be the idea, Right? The space. Neutral territory. We can't do anything to each other here or the other groups collectively. F*** you up.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Neutral territory.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so a fairy can gladly be here, knowing the Elysian can walk right by him. Be like, I'll get you when we get out of here. You know? Because if you do violate. Well, how many other groups are here that are just gonna. Well, we're not gonna let you violate our safe spot. Even if we don't like them, too. We're gonna you up, because now we can't let you do that because then you might do it to us too. And, like. Okay, so neutral zone where everything weird happens.

Cristina: I think so. That sounds like that.

Jack: Because we've seen too many different things now.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Too many conflicting interests coexisting. There must just be enough of something to go around. What is it?

Cristina: What's going on? They're all interested.

Jack: Mm. Now, this next one is definitely gonna be the hardest one to unpack, but it's also like, the clear. Yeah. People have probably even touched one of these buildings. People come across invisible barriers. And there's one group of people who we know are really good at making invisible s***.

Cristina: Just making invisible things.

Jack: The Alicians. The people who make entire mountains vanish. I guess the people who can be in plain sight and their civilization not be in there.

Cristina: Okay. Yes, we know they're in there.

Jack: They're in there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But, yeah, people have literally, like, come across, like, what the f***? I can't go through?

Cristina: And it's, like, kind of scary.

Jack: Yeah. You're just probably touching a building or some s***. You don't even. You can't see it, so you're like.

Cristina: Which matches the whole. Like, they're going up and down. You're seeing these weird ways that they're walking. Like. Yeah, it could be.

Jack: Well, no, they wouldn't be. You wouldn't see them at all. They would be invisible in the building.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: Everything in there would be invisible.

Cristina: So that's the shadow realm, the other one, I guess.

Jack: No, that's the elation. Cloaking technology.

Cristina: No, not that. The people that you do see walking up and down.

Jack: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Those people must be in the shadow realm. You must be watching movement within the shadow room, for sure. But these people are definitely not like, this is the fact that they. They literally set invisible barriers.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like, oh, man, that's so specific, bro. I don't even know what to do with that information. That means we just gotta walk a ton of Clinton Road, broad daylight, and just. Just such things run until we hit something that doesn't. That isn't there, I guess.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I don't know how we would find it, but, like, people have come across it.

Cristina: Yeah, that's. That's tough.

Jack: Tough. But this also suggests something different. Elysians can find their building without uncloaking it. They must have something to show them where it is.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess. They have the technology.

Jack: Other obvious thing that is here are, you know, time slips. Little thin places, people. That's the primary thing we think is dominating this place. A s*** ton of thin places everywhere. And creates the main attraction, which is probably what everybody else is there. Abusing ways in and out of different places.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: And that's in abundance. People are like, I f****** went through here. I felt like it was a five minutes. And then when I got to the other side of this tree, it was f****** night.

Cristina: Okay. Now, there's a lot of stories like that.

Jack: That s*** is the most abundant kind of story. That is literally the most common occurrence. There is seeing something weird that can't be explained. The truck and people losing time. Those three events. Those are the most consistent things that happen. People see a truck a lot. That guy's out there desperate, okay. He's desperate. Seeing shadows and crap super common. And then people losing crap tons of time or moving in unbelievably quick. They're going. They began. Two minutes later, they're on the other side.

Cristina: That's strange.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's 10 miles. How'd you do it?

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Going back to odd symbols, there have been symbols found on stones. There have been symbols found on structures. There have been symbol found on odd relics and artifacts. The weirdest one is symbols found on trees that seem to always be in pairs.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: What people describe always seeing two. I want to find images of this. I couldn't.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But people say fine. Always finding to. I had to say, because I know you're gonna ask, are the photos but two trees next to each other with exactly the same symbol on both trees?

Cristina: What could that mean?

Jack: What could that mean? Kind of sounds like a lazy portal.

Cristina: To me, I guess.

Jack: Right. Because it's still the arch. You still have the two walls to it.

Cristina: If you.

Jack: I don't know how. If the top is requirement. But like, I don't know. I'm just thinking, like, what could I picture possibly me. So, yeah, that's. That's what we get. Those are the important things to look at. This is the thing you need to.

Cristina: Look at that there's so much. Yeah, yeah. We gotta look at everything.

Jack: There isn't one thing I mentioned on.

Cristina: This part that we don't need to look at.

Jack: So this is why I called this what's significant.

Cristina: It's all.

Jack: It's all significant. I'm telling you. We're here for the long haul. This is a lot of crap to dig into.

Cristina: Yeah. Whoa.

Jack: There's a lot. Yeah. It's ridiculous. So, yeah, this is what we have, man. There's a crap ton. We, we got fairies, we got thin places. We got creatures from the Shadow Realm, we got Elysians, we got fairies, we got science experiments. We got people desperately trying to get back. People somehow just casually crossing to the other side. We have places with extremely thin veils that make it indistinguishable. We have that as an explanation to how people in the past managed to get in and out without ever actually going in. We have. Have too much information going on. Everything. Everything is here. All of it happens here.

Cristina: You have a lot of missing people.

Jack: We have a lot of. We have a lot of missing people. But that's a clear one, man. Because they're either cultivating a way to get through or there are stones being made. Maybe s***** ones. Could be just enough to do casual things. Yeah, you need something huge. You don't need a crap ton of people. Yes. Need a casual stone. Take two or three people.

Cristina: We have a deer with no blood.

Jack: A deer with no blood. We got chimeras. Obvious chimeras. A zoo that's somehow tied to it.

Cristina: Yeah. Weird.

Jack: So, yeah, that's what we got for you guys. So, you know, if you guys have any input, any ideas, any in. Anything interesting, any information additional. I think I didn't mention that. You guys think is relevant and falls into here, please. We're kind of just. Yeah. Connect Dots connect.

Cristina: Yeah. There's so much connecting we got to do. We tried our best but like anything.

Jack: We didn't see feel free. Call us stupid just give us the answer but what you got to do just tell us what the answer is.

Cristina: Yeah help us.

Jack: And you could do all that by going to our socials. You can contact us at just convopod on X on TikTok on Facebook and not on YouTube because we're not there anymore.

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Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

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July 13, 2024

Rambling 281: Clinton Road: Part 2: Shadows

July 13, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

If Ghosts we title Echoes are visible time loops that can’t be interacted with, what is its opposite? Can Phantoms be interacted with? What are they? The duo continue unpacking the narratives around Clinton Road on their endless quest to understand what happened in their childhood. No longer looking at Echoes, they focus on the things that react to visitors. The stones uncovered will reveal some new perspectives never before visited on the show!

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+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And so we do that.

Cristina: Do that every week.

Jack: We do that every week. We do that all the time. And so, you know, in the last couple of years, we've gotten way informed on a lot of sort of esoteric and stoic knowledge. Things hidden, you know, the, the secret scriptures and the secret texts and lost civilization things, and cross referencing information that suggested so many things. Anybody who's been following knows what we're talking about. So we've used this knowledge recently because it looks like we were digging into an infinite hole.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So let's use the knowledge instead of continuing to dig the infinite hole and apply it to other places that have very similar conditions. And so we've started to unravel things. And so last week we're digging a new hole. No, we're using the information we have from the hole to compare to other things and be like, oh, this looks like this over here and it looks like that over there. Okay, no more hole digging until something here informs us on which tool to go continue digging with. But point being that we were last week kind of going through some of the information that we were not talking about. But you know, we in the past have come across Clinton Road, which is a really odd place. And it had a lot of similarities to some of the things that we've recently uncovered. We've seen that we can find residue of high energy technology and it usually takes the form of space time alterations and odd anomalies. So looking for things like this informs us. And so two weeks ago we looked at a scenario that was heftily informed. I believe that was a skin walk around.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then before that again, we had another instance, some creepy mansion.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: The mansion. Yes. And directly after the Skinwalker Ranch, we did Stonehenge. All which have the same things. And what we find is the same things. Gateways and distortions and a lot of quote, ghosts.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So last week we go to the place we know has all of these things happening simultaneously on top of each other. And like I said, I broke it into three sections because there was absolutely too much happening in this one place and.

Cristina: Ridiculous amount.

Jack: Yes, too much. And for anybody who's not familiar, many, many, many years ago, maybe like four or five Years ago, we dove into the experience me and two friends had there, three friends. Of course, we couldn't get a contact with them, but we brought to them on the show. We talked to them and everything about how strange that place was. Everybody had different stories. Whatever. You guys can go look at it. It's Clinton Road. I think it was Halloween episode. It was like three episodes long or whatever. And last week, we were just going over anything that we would identify as an echo, a sort of replay of a different moment that is not interactable necessarily, but rather something that's happening but not now.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And there was a lot, some things of which were very important that we need to look at in the future. But that was only one of three sections I'd made because that was just the echoes. This week, I would like us to dive into the things that do respond to people. Not that just play on a loop, but the things in Clinton Road that seem to not be an echo, that seem to actually be a thing of some sort.

Cristina: Like a conscience thing.

Jack: Something thinking. Yeah, something responsive. Something maybe dangerous, maybe not.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But that can respond. That seems to be moving with intention as opposed to a replay of a moment.

Cristina: Horrifying.

Jack: So next to the word phantoms, I've put conscious. I've put thinking intentional entities that are non human and probably could be from a different realm. I'm assuming the shadow realm, because Elfame or any higher level might be unlikely.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So let's unpack some of these details. This is a little bit shorter than the echoes of which there were many. This is still pretty long, but it was just a couple shorter. So let's start by going into the pickup truck. This is probably the most known thing on this road. There's literally movies that have taken this concept and rolled with it. And it's just some menacing black pickup truck that allegedly chases drivers at night, only vanishing when there's another car coming towards them or when they are successfully in something faster. And funny enough, it faster is very exact thing, because faster is conditional. People have been in supercars running down the street, and this pickup keeps up.

Cristina: That's weird.

Jack: That's weird. But if this pickup truck isn't physically here, if this pickup truck is in a different space where whatever is there knows how to manipulate the sort of distortion to cover ground faster, then it would look like you have this sort of ghost truck following you at an impossibly fast speed. But maybe on their side, it's normal speed, but they know how to move in such a way that over here we move fast.

Cristina: How do we know this isn't an echo? What makes it different?

Jack: Because it does interact with people. This is where the speed becomes very important because the vanishing and the fact that it's on the road. Very interesting here. Now it has moved around cars. Oh, it has moved around cars. It has diverted to hit cars. Somebody jumps off the road and it'll jump off the road behind them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's very, very different than something on replay. Now, what's weird about this place is that it seems to happen at exactly between four and six miles, nowhere outside that range, which means there is a particular heavy amount of distortion that somebody's abusing there, I suspect, at least.

Cristina: Yes, but not the person driving the truck. They're just driving their truck.

Jack: They're not. I think that there's just a nice little fold.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Of the two realms here. And he's just on his end, but he can clearly see because people from the shadow realm can just see us or whatever the f***. I have no idea how that works. Maybe it's the same that, like, as fear manifests, we start showing up over there more and they start showing up over here more, and so the lines start to blur.

Cristina: It could. Like, we don't have any proof of that. But why can't it be that.

Jack: Yeah, it'd be weird if it was just one way in this direction.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But then it's. Yeah, I guess it would. I guess the argument would be that it's not that they're coming over here, but the veil is thinning.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so we're sort of coming closer together in general.

Cristina: That could be it. We don't know.

Jack: Yeah, because we've always thought about it like, oh, the people from the shadow realm with fear start coming this way, but, like.

Cristina: Because it seems easier for them for it to be that way.

Jack: Yeah. But when we think about it, if they aren't actually over here, how are they seeing us? Yes, we're seeing them because they're phasing over here. But are they seeing themselves over there and themselves over here? That can't. That doesn't. Make sense.

Cristina: That doesn't make sense.

Jack: No, they're probably just seeing us start to fade in over there, and then they start to prey on us.

Cristina: Yes. Yep.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: That could be. That could be. I know there's ways in and out, but there's this other thing of just, like we're somehow in between both.

Jack: Yes. We're somehow at all times, well connected enough. And it's. It's a dial Right. You could turn it and sort of enhance how much of the entanglement is how much is crossed in that moment.

Cristina: How's that happening? But, yeah, I think that might be what's happening.

Jack: And in the case of this truck, I think that 4 to 6 mile range is a particularly dense area, which brings up an interesting point. Maybe this is a focal point of one of the major events that took.

Cristina: Place here in the future. Maybe. Question, I believe. Yeah.

Jack: Because there's. We look back and we find so little. We look. Well, we can't look forward. But the fact that, again, it's possible that a spacetime distortion from the future ruins the past, because that's how it works. It's space time.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And this distortion is huge here. But also the logic could be that it's a long, long street with no lights.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Maybe people start to panic around the same distance.

Cristina: I wonder. I wonder what it is. I wonder if we'll find a glimpse of what really happens in the future, though, through this conversation. Maybe eventually, like. Because the weird thing that happens there may even be from the shadow realm. Because we know they do experiments like we do. They do experiments here, but they also do experiments there. So what if this is just a spot where both sides were doing experiments?

Jack: Doesn't even have to be both sides doing experiments, because there's many instances just this side doing experiments, and that can mess it up. So why wouldn't it be that only on that side and cause the same thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Especially after we know that it's almost like we are in the same space, but somehow a barrier was built to divide them. There's a wall that was put in between this realm and that realm. There isn't. The word realm ceases to lose meaning when we back up far enough because, well, this is just, you know, that room. And then he put walls around that room and called it Earth Realm.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's hard for us to get out the room, but we can.

Cristina: Yeah. It is up or down.

Jack: That's how it seems to be in every direction. Yeah. Which. It's weird, but this kind of really leans into the flatter theory. Right. Of like, well, they walled us in, but they're really out there. There's more.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I mean, weirdly enough, that's kind of on the nose, but about the wrong thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But, yeah, this truck is responsive. It is responsive. It chases people. My idea is 10 miles Clinton Road, 4 to 6 miles. But what does that mean? That means if I enter from north, four miles in. If I enter from south, four miles in. It's the same distance either way. It could just be the people within. Like, as you start getting more and more. You start getting more panicking, more paranoid. And so in the middle is where people are the most freaked out. Which would make sense that enough people freaked out consistently going through at that level of panic. More and more and more about that truck.

Cristina: Also will be pushing that too.

Jack: Not even hearing about the truck, but hearing about all the other things that happen here.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then you get to this part, and maybe this guy is just some dude who lives on the other side, but in this part of it. And maybe he is a bad guy.

Cristina: Or he just wants that fear. Like, it's not really about murdering anyone. It's just like he knows he hasn't done.

Jack: Yes. That's another thing I found interesting. So the truck does show up. The truck chases people. But I made sure to mention the weirdest part about this, which is right before he does anything, he always disappears.

Cristina: Yeah. He's about to want it. And then he goes. Yeah.

Jack: He'll jump on the lane you're in from far ahead and drive straight towards you and drive straight at you and then just f****** veer off into the woods and disappear.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like he's f****** with you. He's f****** with you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Whoever that is, just f****** with you. He's not trying to kill you. That's the weirdest part. But it's so intentional. It's like he's f****** with you legitimately in an impossibly fast pickup truck that looks like a moving shadow.

Cristina: Yeah. I wonder if it's possible. It's. He was a human who ended up over there. Fascinating, because there are those cases and.

Jack: There'S hella thin places around here. Could just be slipping in and falling on the other side.

Cristina: Yeah. He just knows what he needs. He's probably was hooked on it. Adrenochrome when he was alive and, you know, died.

Jack: Which then goes back to all the. That's here. There's been cults and there's been sacrifices, and there's been a lot of.

Cristina: Yeah, a lot of adrenal chrome and stuff going on.

Jack: So anytime we find something weird, this is the thing. Right. We realize in the beginning of our journey, adrenochrome is everywhere. Everybody's doing adrenochrome and that's what's up.

Cristina: Yes. But then when those people die, it's even worse.

Jack: It's even worse because they lose their minds on the other side or they. In the Fear of knowing they're gonna lose their mind. They getting desperate to get back over here and get adrenochrome. So.

Cristina: So it could just be one of those people.

Jack: Could definitely be. And as long as he sustains the fear, he doesn't need the blood. Yeah, that could totally make sense. He has to. He has to cultivate it over and over and over. And it's like, I'm stuck over here, but I'm. I'm not gonna go crazy. I refuse. And I'm gonna just with people every day if I have to.

Cristina: Could be. It's really easy for him.

Jack: He's gonna get us fixed. He needs it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If it's a problem, people up, they. They go in and they don't realize how bad this really is. Now, the next one is children. This one is very specific. Apparitions of children playing on the roadside who vanish upon approach but can be seen waving at passersby. Oh, I thought echo when I was first looking at the mentions of this. And then I started looking deeper in, and it's like some people have these kids get excited, get up, look at them, start running towards them and disappear.

Cristina: It's hard to tell, though, between echo and not echo. It's really, really.

Jack: It is absolutely not the moment something is responsive. The fact that somebody stood there and then they started waving as opposed to. They're just waving at nothing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The echo would be doing the action regardless. It's not responding to an environment. It's not there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Anything responsive cannot be an echo by default. This is the easiest distinction to make. It's not difficult.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It will be responsive. If it's not. If you stand in front of it and you're like, hey. And it's like looking right through you and doesn't notice and walks right through you, and that's an echo. It doesn't realize you're present. But these kids see a car drive by. People see the kids play. They think ghost. The kids see the car. The kids, excited, get up and wave. What's weird about this is that they're not trying to get to the street. They're not trying to get to the street. They're just aware of the cars passing by, and so they wave.

Cristina: That's so weird.

Jack: Like, they know they can't make it.

Cristina: How many children is.

Jack: It varies.

Cristina: It varies.

Jack: But it's like they know they can't get to the street. There's an awareness of, oh, it's another car coming. How there's another weird thing from the.

Cristina: Other side that is weird. But is there they just look like normal children, too?

Jack: It's unclear. Small people.

Cristina: Small people.

Jack: Small people that appear to be children playing. Yeah, it's Clinton Road. Nothing is a specific description. It's night. Always.

Cristina: It's always night. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. It's impossible. Any clear description you want, you will not get. Yeah, this is Clinton Road at night, every time. And, like, kids that's in the woods, like, how detailed can you get?

Cristina: That is so creepy.

Jack: Yeah. But the fact that they know you're there, they'll just be minding their business. A car rolls by, somebody. Oh, kids. And then the kids and like, oh, my God, let's just keep going. But ultimately, the kids notice cars, but.

Cristina: If you stop, they would just be gone.

Jack: No, if they run towards you, there's like a barrier that they can't make it past because they vanish.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Oh, that's even scarier. Oh, my gosh. They run towards you and then just.

Jack: Yeah. So my idea would be that unlike visual thin places that we can see through and look to a different time or an echo that's just a fold repeating. I think this would be a literal. Not just thin places towards the past, but thin places towards the shadow realm. And, like, they can see through, but it's bubbles that they can't get through. Weirdly enough, same as us thousand years ago, looking at the sky and seeing a plane. And it's just because on the other side of the bubble, a plane went in front of it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So there must be in front of this playground or whatever, a thin place just at the right angle that you can see it for maybe a hundred feet or so into the other side, and they can see you back and then you can interact, but beyond a certain angle, you can't. That's what it seems to me. Because they are responsive. They look in the wave, excited to see, and then they're just not there suddenly. But only do it when there's somebody you don't arrive and they're already in the motion. They're always awesome. Kids saw me and they came and they were coming to say hi, and they just not there suddenly. Yeah, it's pretty up.

Cristina: That's. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I guess that there's children on that side. Why not?

Jack: Why wouldn't there be? They're just people. Jin are just people.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: But I think this falls into something from the shadow room. The fact that they see the cars and they get excited. They're just kids. They're not trying to f*** with people. The way that pickup is they're really genuinely just kids or seems to be to people.

Cristina: But that's. That's it.

Jack: Yeah. They seem childish. The next one gets to more personal areas for me, which is disembodied voices, whispering voices heard in the woods, often leading people to feel as though they're being watched or followed.

Cristina: This is one that they say your name. We heard we were talking about one before on the last episode about someone saying your name.

Jack: This is unrelated to anything from last episode. These are all new things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. This is just voices.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And these voices seem to be following people and it makes people feel like they're being watched. But mainly is that they're being followed because the voices are continuously behind them or next to them, around them. The voices tend to be unclear, but the voices seem like they're speaking a language. But it's also very, very off putting and very disturbing. The sort of guttural sounds that get made. It sounds like language, but like a demon is talking to people. It's the best way that people have described it. I would argue that we're hearing Jin language.

Cristina: Okay. Like shadow realm.

Jack: Yeah. And like it just sounds up to us because we've never discussed what it would sound like to speak in a place that's not physical. You don't have. You don't have vocal cords or anything.

Cristina: But they got. I would assume they have some kind of language because we do hear about people who do go over there and communicate with them.

Jack: And here's another thing. If I don't understand. I was thinking about this and just because I said this, it made me think about it again. I don't understand how it is that all the old text we find describes the shadow realm as a non physical place. But physical beings can so easily traverse. But also adrenochrome makes you traverse. I don't understand that problem. Because you have to stop being physical to get there with adrenochrome. But you can. Like the judge just walked in.

Cristina: Well, we don't know his life. What if he had Jesse? He had adrenal crown before.

Jack: How do you get back out? How does anybody go in and out? How do you get your body into a non physical place and then walk out still physical. Your body doesn't just dissolve and disappear and you can't ever come back. That doesn't make sense. There's some interpretation that's wrong there. Because that is a conflict of description is contradicting.

Cristina: It's a paradox.

Jack: You can't both be physical on the other side and not be physical on the other side. On the flip side, we do discuss ourselves as physical and non physical. There is a soul version of me that's controlling my body and then there's the body that the soul is controlling. There's the physical and the metaphysical simultaneously. But then that means that all the descriptions they have of the other side are f****** stupid because it's just this. But over there. Well, it's a non physical place. Your souls and stuff. It's like. You mean like we have over here?

Cristina: But is our body going in there? Our body's falling asleep and then we go in there. Like how does that.

Jack: I don't know. How would the Judge enter on earth realm on this side, take a shortcut in there and then pop out somewhere else? His body then just flatline over here and stay there unconscious, and then teleport to the other side of Earth?

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: Do you see the problem? There are active contradictions. And how this is described. There's something we don't understand necessarily because it's described as such a physical place. And you need adrenochrome to have a certain state. But also, let's think about adrenochrome. It's a physical thing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Why would it take you somewhere non physical?

Cristina: It has to be just physical in a different way. It's not non physical. It's just.

Jack: Yeah, there's something we're not grasping about it.

Cristina: Yeah, but you need. You need it still to get there and somehow.

Jack: Yes, yes. Even with a gate, you cannot enter the shadow realm unless you've had adrenochrome. We thought adrenochrome meant only after you die. But then later we find out some people can actually just walk in every time except the Judge. That we don't know for a fact. But every other time required adrenochrome. So it's a physical place that requires that no matter what, something about the adrenochrome allows your body to adapt to the conditions of the shadow realm. I don't think it's not a physical place. I think they were focusing on the descriptions of what adrenochrome is doing in order to describe what the place is. Yeah, I think that's the reality of the matter. I don't think it's not a physical place. I think it's a different realm. Obviously it's a different space that requires some alteration physically that is different than what we consider normal on the side. And so in their attempt to describe that, it sounds like you're talking about something non physical.

Cristina: But I don't think you actually. You don't need adrenochrome because necromancers don't. They just need a state of mind. They. They can do it. Yes, they can. Just.

Jack: But there's also heavy understanding. And they have stones that are made of the same thing.

Cristina: They have the stones to do it.

Jack: They have the stones to do it. And it's made of the same thing that adrenochrome is. It's just not in their body. Now this is an interesting point you bring because Adrian, necromancers don't need to consume it yet their body can still exist in the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now let's take a step back because we don't have an instance of a necromancer in the Shadow Realm that we've ever read. We just know it says they can. But the only time we have them actually traversing instead of giving somebody the way to is through Elfhame. And we don't even know if they physically stand in Elfame as opposed to use Elfame to cut through.

Cristina: That's exactly what it seems like.

Jack: Yeah. Which means they're not entering the Shadow Realm either.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Because we've never had a single discussion that says they entered the Shadow Realm. They just know how to get there. Which presumably means they know how to navigate the Shadow Realm even if they don't enter the Shadow Realm as a shortcut. Another shortcut. They can get anywhere, anytime, however they want.

Cristina: Yeah. That's so weird though. What is that? What?

Jack: Unless Elfame and the Shadow Realm are physical, which seems to be the case too. I don't know. It's so many contradictions there. Yes, but maybe if it. If it's not a different layer and it all is seamless, just with barriers like flat earth. A circle within a circle within a circle. If that's the case, then a necromancer literally enters the Shadow Realm. And a necromancer literally enters all fame.

Cristina: But as far as we know, that doesn't happen. Really?

Jack: We don't have a mention of either. Yeah, I've never seen a mention of either of those scenarios happening.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we don't even have Santa Claus entering the Shadow Room.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Nothing.

Cristina: Jesus. Entering the Shadow Realm after he died. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's.

Jack: The rules feel consistent. There is consistency. He didn't enter. He exited. He died. To get there.

Cristina: He died. He went to their prison, kidnapped a bunch of them, got some stones.

Jack: People over here thought it was part of their plan. To get rid of Jesus. Little did they know, Jesus planned every part of it. He needed to get over there.

Cristina: Yes, Very weird.

Jack: But then the transition state, I think is important, which then brings up a different problem. Did Hermes have to die? Because one very important thing we have to remember about necromancers is what are they most known for? Relating to the dead. The dead and death.

Cristina: That is interesting.

Jack: That is very interesting.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Jesus is an example of somebody who didn't touch the other side until he died.

Cristina: So do they have to die?

Jack: Do they all have to?

Cristina: I think so, because Santa Claus, obviously that happened to him. That's why we have this Nicholas, who's so different from Sam. There was some metamorphosis, something that happened there, obviously.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: I don't know about Patrick.

Jack: I don't. I don't know about that. But he's also loosely the bottom tier of this.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Meanwhile, Merlin has several stories of his end.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah, yeah, this is making sense. Yeah.

Jack: So all necromancers must. Or at least it seems to be, death is part of the process.

Cristina: I think so. I think so.

Jack: Mm.

Cristina: It makes sense.

Jack: Which means Hermes probably consumed adrenochrome, but in a scientific correct way that keeps him in control just so he can cross over to the other side.

Cristina: Actually, yeah, I think that's right. I think they had to die.

Jack: I think he had to die. We might not have the text, but we have Jesus the only example of a necromancer entering the shadow realm and he had to die to get there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If it was so easy and it was so simple and you could just get there, why do you need to die?

Cristina: That doesn't make sense. Is the Judge.

Jack: Judge doesn't make sense. How do you get in?

Cristina: Unless he was a living dead person and just didn't know it.

Jack: Interest. So in any case, the idea is we have to find Inanna's brother and see what. We gotta really dive into him and.

Cristina: Find out what the stories they have about him does.

Jack: Can we find that the Judge has died? That's the reality of the matter. Can we find if the Judge has died?

Cristina: I think. I think we will find. Because if he has one weird story, I'm sure there's other weird stories he's involved in.

Jack: But then that brings up a really, really, really exaggeratedly interesting question that we didn't cross at any moment.

Cristina: What's that?

Jack: The Judge is the third necromancer. Fourth.

Cristina: Fourth Jesus?

Jack: No, he's like fifth Jesus, Merlin, Santa Patrick, the Judge, and Hermes number six.

Cristina: Oh, Hermes. Yeah.

Jack: Six necromancers in all of history.

Cristina: I would think so. I think so. I think we're on to something.

Jack: So. So then the question is, is the judge a necromancer?

Cristina: He might be even one of them. Like, we don't know. They all live such long lives.

Jack: I know. It's so weird, bro. It's so weird. There's some timeline distortions in this whole narrative. That's f*****. Some people go millions, some people go hundreds of thousands.

Cristina: So many different lies. We know Jesus had so many lives. Like, he wasn't just the Jesus in that place, but he was the whatever in that other place and the whatever in that other place.

Jack: Yeah, but this lives is an exaggeration because we're talking about.

Cristina: No, he was still living one life.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like not even that far apart. We're talking like he was here a couple of months. He was there a couple.

Cristina: Yes, but like that. They all seem to have that type of thing of like, I'm gonna pretend to be this person over there and I don't think.

Jack: I don't. The. The dialogue you're using, I think is incorrect. I don't think it's pretending. I think we're talking about him going to different places where people speak different languages and they're using their interpretation of what his name would be.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so he lands at a different name and they're using their words to describe him, which is why the words aren't exactly the same, but they're so similar. If we were to paint the picture, he would look the same.

Cristina: Yeah. So this guy could just be someone else that we've met before and we just don't know it.

Jack: Interesting, interesting, interesting. You believe the judge could just be one of these other guys?

Cristina: Like, who knows? Because it's so rare that it would happen. To imagine that this is just another one, it's harder to believe.

Jack: Yeah. But it's also equally hard to believe. Yeah. It's like to imagine he's another one is really hard. And to imagine he's some casual who just enters the shadow realm is even more. Yes. Now here's something that we do have to look at though, because now thinking about it, he can't be a necromancer. He can't be. At least not in a way he's aware of, because he was shocked by the entrance. He had discovered it and was like, what the f***? And then he told his sister and he was like, it's the craziest thing. And she was like, show me. And then that's how they found the kingdom on the other side. He, you know, he became homies as he went through.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So he wasn't a necromancer, at least knowingly. If he was, he maybe stumbled upon a process or something.

Cristina: Probably some story. There's other things, though, that they rarely talk about. Like the plants and the app, the fruits and, you know, things like that.

Jack: There are other ways.

Cristina: So rare. But, like, humans don't interact.

Jack: Like, really.

Cristina: Yes. Like, he might have found one of those things.

Jack: You're totally right. So the science is very likely the fruit hard. You gotta go to the shadow room to do it.

Cristina: Yeah. But, like, there are things that exists that just don't get talked about because.

Jack: Like, plants are on this side and.

Cristina: They'Re, like, heavily guarded. So if he stumbled upon it.

Jack: Not the flower. The flower wasn't. The flower is just a flower.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The flower was not heavily guarded. In fact, the mention we got of it was just somebody figured out that this could do that.

Cristina: Yeah. So, like, he could.

Jack: Maybe that's flowers in more places, but we can't tell it apart from something else. Oh, it's just a flower. But if we saw it and we knew what it was, we can consume it and without. Because we know that adrenochrome is the addictive one. But there are other things. Adrenochrome comes in three parts. It's ichor, it's ambrosia, and it's the literal liquid of nectar. Those are the three states. What is it? Ambrosia is the little organs that are adrenochrome dense. And then there is the. What is ambrosia? There is ichor, which is distilled. It's after it's been consumed. Yeah, it's the blood. I mean, they're all blood, but after it's been distilled, somebody consumed adrenochrome. And now you take the blood of a person who's consumed adrenochrome, and it sort of went through a process.

Cristina: Vampirism.

Jack: And then there is the. Not ambrosia. Nectar, which is just liquid. It's drinking the blood. It's just drinking the blood. It's Jesus's preferred form. But although Jesus is very known for both. He likes ambrosia, he likes to consume the individual, and he likes to drink their blood, too.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or at least he's discovered is the most efficient combination. It doesn't look like he did ichor, but it looks like he gave people ichor.

Cristina: Yes. He loved sharing it.

Jack: Yes. Now, interesting point. The descriptions. I didn't think about this until right now. The descriptions that we went through about ichor, ambrosia and nectar make it seem like ichor is the valuable one because people who are normal can take it and die. It's super strong. But Jesus was giving people ick. Ichor, not adrenochrome or ambrosia. He was giving himself.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To them, which is ichor. Even if it's his flesh, that would look like ambrosia. No, he had adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Even if it's his blood that you would call nectar. No, he had adrenochrome. Everything he's given you is actually ichor.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Nobody's as powerful as Jesus. The combination of ambrosia and nectar is stronger than the distilled ichor, which is both of them together. And he was giving his blood as high up on the totem pole as you can get. And still ichor was not as good. Is it because who he is, he can just do it with these two and be as powerful and like somebody having something stronger can't catch up? Or is it that there is an actual better combination to be had with ichor and. Well, I mean, with nectar and ambrosia, then there is to be had with ichor. And he knows the trick to it.

Cristina: He probably knows the trick to it.

Jack: Well, he's also a unique being. Why wouldn't it be the other? Why wouldn't it be that? Just. It doesn't matter what anybody else consumes. He's always going to be spirit.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know my point?

Cristina: We don't know what he is is very unique. Yeah.

Jack: Very special. So, yeah, just, you know, food for thought. Okay, next on the list, we have. It's weird about those disembodied voices, by the way.

Cristina: So you heard those disembodied verses.

Jack: Yeah, we heard children and we heard voices. I never saw the kids. But you remember we were hearing kids laugh.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: By the way, important detail. This just so happens to be on the road to paradise.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which is where we heard the kids.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's why I was saying that this is, like, personal.

Cristina: Yeah, that's.

Jack: This is right on the road to paradise, where this has been reported, which is where we were when we heard the kids laughing. Well, first we heard the laughter and we couldn't make it out. And then we pulled on the side where the car just stopped turning on, and then we just started hearing.

Cristina: What is the car turning up or is that something else? I will talk about in the future.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. That was a weird one. I looked when. Because of hearing the disembodied voices. It made me think about the car turning off. And then I was like, when has this happened? And there aren't mentions of this anywhere. This is just a weird thing that happened. It could have just been that our car was s*******. That was weird time. It was a weird timing. Yes, but, like, what weird timing?

Cristina: What we are timing, I don't understand.

Jack: Like, I can't explain it. But then the other thing is, let's. Let's have a quick. Maybe we're not gonna make it to the end of this. And this part alone is gonna be too. But we have to address this next point because I think I'm about to say something that's gonna make a lot of sense here. We hear the kids laugh. We hear laughter. We get on the dirt road. We pull up to the side just to scare the guys, lower the windows. We start to hear kids actually laughing. We're like, oh, f***. Like we were just f****** around, bros. F*** this. We put the windows up, trying to turn the car on. Wasn't turning on. We finally get the car on and we drive into paradise. Do you remember what happens next?

Cristina: You see a sign.

Jack: Yeah. Deaf children.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then the. The. The F is slashed and a D is put over it.

Cristina: The children.

Jack: Yeah, but that's not even the important part. What happens in paradise?

Cristina: That's all I remember.

Jack: You don't remember what happens when we drive into paradise?

Cristina: You hear more children. No.

Jack: We tried to get out of paradise and we can't.

Cristina: Oh, yes. I don't know. Okay. Yeah. I don't know.

Jack: It's like you never remember anything I needed to remember. Not once. It's horrible. But we enter paradise and then we can't get out of paradise. Paradise is where we hear children. Paradise is where we hear laughter. Paradise is where the dead children sign is. Where did we enter when we went to paradise?

Cristina: Where did you enter? Some type of loop. Some type of time thing.

Jack: What else looks like a physical place on this side and is not supposed to be because it's a jumbled mess that somebody on this side wouldn't be able to navigate.

Cristina: I know I should know. I don't know.

Jack: I don't understand. What happens in your mind? Obviously the shadow realm, girl. It's the only thing that looks like a physical. I'm gonna just stop trying to get you guessing. It doesn't work ever. I just got to Tell you, showing you doesn't work. The shadow realm, like everything, its description is literally a physical earth place that looks like a jumbled mess of an example of a physical earth place. I don't know. I got to explain this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That is what it is. And we enter, we see distortions, we hear distortions and turning. Or we drove straight. We turn around and we're trying to drive straight out and the exit's gone weird. That sounds like the shadow realm. Now how the f*** would we have entered? Second, it looked absolutely normal to us. So could it have been?

Cristina: It could just be the whole veil example thing of like you're just. You're seeing it, but you're not actually in it. Like they're seeing you and you're. They're not actually there.

Jack: Then the straight line would have gotten us out.

Cristina: There must have been something messing with you as well. Like an actual thing.

Jack: Right. And how is it gonna change the shadow realm structure or our. How is it gonna change the physical space we're in?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: There's a huge issue right there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We go in, yeah, like three blocks in, do a 180, no turns, drive the same path we got there through. See? None of the same s***. And the f****** dirt road's gone.

Cristina: I don't know. Some of them have abilities. Maybe it was messing with you guys.

Jack: And we take hella turns through paradise. When we took no turns, we take mad turns in paradise trying to find our way out. And somewhere in a different corner entirely, we find a dirt road again. And then we find our way out after like 20 minutes of doing circles when we had only gone in a straight line, turned around, tried to do the same straight line back and just dead end, no road. So what was that? I've thought about that following some of this research, and I'm like, man, this.

Cristina: Isn'T match up with anything.

Jack: Doesn't match with anything. This is easily the shadow realm. Minus the fact that it couldn't be. Because how the f***. Unless these descriptions of the shadow realm, we are taking them too literally. And it's not a non physical place. We did see a jumbled mess of something we had just looked at that looked normal.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We saw the same place jumbled up.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Nothing else changed except we couldn't navigate it. And it seemed bigger after we'd gone in.

Cristina: Soon as you got scared, as soon as the car. As the kid, children and the car.

Jack: As soon as it all. Yes, we fell into something. Right.

Cristina: Fear happened. This really overwhelming fear probably happened at that moment for all.

Jack: From all four of us at the same time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then we panic, go on the road, and then we slip in. But then the argument would be, you don't need adrenochrome and Jesus did. There's something wrong here. There's a contradiction still going on.

Cristina: Because I don't think you're really in it, though.

Jack: I don't think so either. So then. Okay, so then what you're talking about might be the logical path that maybe even the judge didn't.

Cristina: Yeah, he saw. He saw a glimpse of it, or they.

Jack: He was literally interacting with people on the other side. And he met Ixchel, which then came out and went to Maya. They were literally something is. But we're onto something now because if we. You're totally right. All of this followed the fear. Let's recount the story. We drive in first. We see the guy in the robe, a black guy essentially walking around in a KKK robe. Weirdest sight ever. Okay. With a machete or a shotgun. Nobody was clear on which one he was holding. Everybody had a different story. We get far enough, we see the deer cut open. Okay. Panic, you know, Everybody like, what the f***? Yeah, we get far enough, we hear the laughter. We try to scare the guys, end up scaring ourselves because we hear the kids. We take the dirt road and suddenly the s*** spins out of control and we're nowhere. But we're everywhere. Because the one road we took disappeared and now we're just in this mess and we can't get out. And then the road showed up somewhere else entirely. Maybe you're right and we're just seeing it because again, it doesn't make sense that they could see us and we can't see them. I think it's a notch where the more you turn it, the more both sides are close together. Not one side to this side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we're slowly more and more seeing.

Cristina: But you're not physically there. I'm not physically there seeing.

Jack: Now, in this instance, there is an interesting. This contradiction could then be resolved because when they're talking about the shadow or on being a non physical place, they are talking about getting there non physically through fear, through these other means that allows you to interact with that space without entering that space.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, okay. Yes.

Jack: And then there's a way to actually enter and be in the space which requires totally different means. In this scenario now we can apply the things that we didn't mention about necromancers. What are they really good at? Even if they don't cross. They're good at bridging communication. They're good at bringing things from that side over. They're good at interacting with things on that side, even if they don't go in. So they know how to turn the dial that allows them to f*** with things on that side without being on that side, which I would argue is stronger, more overpowered than having to be on that side. Additionally, if you have a Philosopher's Stone that has the ability to violate those rules, could you, in theory, use the Philosopher's Stone to make a sort of external shell that would allow you to enter without falling apart? Hence their ability to traverse and not be simultaneously. Like a suit made of. Think of Green Lantern puts the ring on and a green energy goes over his body. And now he can manipulate this energy. What if what's happening that's happens with the Philosopher's Stone? And I could use the Philosopher's Stone, create this energy around me, and just slip into the Shadow Realm without needing adrenochrome. Without the energy, I would just die over there or pop up over here, but I can literally be there without consuming adrenochrome. Now, Jesus didn't have Philosopher's stones. He went to acquire them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now we have a reason why he needs to die.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Maybe he didn't know how to make it. As overpowered as he is, he went to acquire them. Different.

Cristina: That's so weird that he didn't know how to. Because he knew how to make the Gates. The person who taught him how to make the Gates would know how to make it. Make a philosopher stone. Yeah, well, maybe Jesus wasn't into having to mass murder people.

Jack: Yeah. And he knew these things already exist. Let them kill me and I'll go get the stones, because I'm gonna be fine.

Cristina: Yeah. Mm. He just. He's just different.

Jack: He's just different. He. Look, he. His. Everybody who's ever talked about him said the same thing. He was preaching kindness the whole time. Regardless of what they saw him do or how they saw him do it. A lot of people were like, he did some pretty diabolical looking s***.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But attached to that, did he hurt anybody? Well, no, he did a bunch of diabolical s***. But he kind of just told us all to be kind to each other.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like fair.

Cristina: He's making an army. And his army aren't being forced to be his army. They're choosing to be his army. Whether it's from the Shadow Realm or it's us humans.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And you're just, we're on his side. They're on his side.

Jack: I mean, when your argument is be kind and stop anybody who's not, it's like, f***. I mean, yeah, bro. And look, I'll give you powers to do it. Oh, s***. You're gonna give me powers to be kind and stop anybody who's not. That's.

Cristina: The only people he wants to get rid of are the sea people, though. Like, that's clear.

Jack: And like, let's be fair as we've dug in deep into this, like, kind of. Yeah. It makes sense. Look, even if Jehovah's on the side of the people, like, you guys just ultimately only want them alive so you can keep running experiments.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You're like, don't let the civilization fall apart. We need to kill them for stones.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, so ultimately that puts us back on Lucifer side. Right? Where he's like, give them tech so they could reach us. You're gonna kill them anyways.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Let those that can do it do it.

Cristina: Except that they couldn't.

Jack: Doesn't matter if they're gonna be massacred anyways. To make a stone. Give somebody a chance.

Cristina: Yeah, that's true. Okay.

Jack: This is all right, dude. I understand why the. The Lucifer, Jehovah problem is huge. Because it's, like, flopping back and forth.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: One of these guys is somehow right, or it's so nuanced that they're both right and wrong.

Cristina: Yes. I think that's more the most truthful.

Jack: Because in Jehovah's eyes, they're gonna die anyways, bro. I'm like, let's give them purpose. Let's let them their lives be used to improve the world. While Lucifer's argument is give them the choice. Let them choose what happens if it collapses. It was their choice, not yours.

Cristina: Yes. It's pretty good.

Jack: Like, f***, give them purpose. They're ignorant. Both of them are on point. Give them purpose. They are ignorant and they're gonna self destruct. Don't let them die meaninglessly. You give them this technology. They can't handle it. They will die meaninglessly and haven't gotten nothing. Which we see many relics from civilizations that are kind of Lucifer's fault. But he gave them a chance to make their choice. Jehovah is all about taking that choice.

Cristina: Away because he thinks that's safer.

Jack: He thinks it's better and more noble. Use them for something that they would be proud of. If they looked back. If they looked back a thousand years and thought, oh, I died in this moment, but all of human history improved because of my sacrifice. They would. His logic at least is they'd be happy.

Cristina: And what is Jesus point of view?

Jack: F*** both of them. Both of them. Don't give people technology so that they blow up and kill themselves and don't sacrifice people. Leave them alone.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which, like, okay, when? That's the third argument. Kind of f*** those two other guys. Yeah, that's legit. We can move slowly. It's fine. We don't need to f****** flash forward a million years instantly and then collapse because we couldn't deal with it. And we don't need some other guy sacrificing us to accomplish the same f****** thing. Yes, maybe f*** both of them and just let people do what they're gonna do if we kill ourselves.

Cristina: At least it was us.

Jack: At least it was us. No interference.

Cristina: Yeah, okay.

Jack: In that argument. Yeah. Jesus.

Cristina: Oh, all right.

Jack: It's a lot of sides and, like, nobody's right or wrong until you put Jesus in the mix. And I was like, well, that m************ are wrong.

Cristina: Yeah, well, yeah, he's pro human, so.

Jack: He'S pro human regardless. Even if the other two are technically pro human. It's a lot like leftists trying to decrease criminal sentences for people who. A black judge gave them a really large sentence and then they go to prison for this really long time. But leftists are like, that's unjust and blah, blah, blah. And then they go ahead and force a different judge to decrease the sentence and the guy gets out of prison and he gets murdered a week later. And then we truly go and talk to the people who understand, not just feel like they're gonna help. Oh, I want to help. I want to help. But you're ignorant. You're stupid. You don't know the situation. We go and talk to somebody on ground level. Well, the judge is families of the gang that's in the prison, and that guy is a neighborhood friend. He increased the sentence so that he goes to that prison specifically and is protected there. He was gonna stay alive in prison. You guys got him out and he got killed. That's Jehovah and Lucifer being helpful leftists.

Cristina: Jehovah and Lucifer or Peter trying to save animals but then killing dogs.

Jack: Yes. The same logic of, you're not being helpful, you're just thinking you're being helpful.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that's a very leftist ideology. So we can just throw Lucifer and Jehovah in the leftists and say, you're kind of ignorant. You think you're helping, but you're not on the ground level. Knowing what the people want.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You go to Jesus. Jesus is just asking people. Yeah. He's just like, I know why that guy went to prison on a really high sentence. He asked a judge for it. And you ignorant f**** don't know that Jesus is the guy who knows. He talks to the people. He's like, what do you guys want? Well, we just want to live our lives.

Cristina: He was forced to be with the people.

Jack: Yes. That's. That's literally Jehovah and Lucifer's fault.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: They made the problem that stopped them.

Cristina: Yes. That's really interesting.

Jack: They literally made him in a labor, and then they were like, f*** that guy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And threw him to the people.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So the people were like, well, he's one of us, and he grew up as one of them. And they treated him right until. Who f***** him? The f****** people working with the Elysians.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: The Church came after him, huh? Even more incentive. F*** that. Let's work these a******* into my plan so I can f*** him more.

Cristina: Beautiful.

Jack: LinkedIn. Yeah. Sacrifice me. Totally, man. Kill me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then he enters and goes. He took it from Lucifer, bro. Even if these two guys didn't agree, they were still eye to eye on the people. We need them for something. He just used Jehovah and his disdain for Lucifer. Got himself killed to enter, rob Lucifer, and then get back to Earth Realm knowing these two guys aren't gonna work together.

Cristina: No. Yeah, I guess.

Jack: Divide and conquer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: F****** 3D chess, bro. I mean, 4D chess.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Okay. Weird one. I didn't know this next one originated here. I was looking to see if this came from somewhere else, but this actually comes from the New England era of the United States, which is. The Headless Horseman is a New Jersey Clinton Road thing.

Cristina: Yeah, it is.

Jack: I had no f****** idea that that originated over here.

Cristina: Yeah, it did.

Jack: In fact, I would have thought that this was, like, an Eng type of ghost.

Cristina: There's a lot of ghosts that actually were from around here.

Jack: Yeah. No, we are in weird land.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We're in a really hot spot.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Weird. New Jersey is legit.

Cristina: It is it. That's why.

Jack: Yeah. No, we are in some crazy hotspot. I had no idea. I thought the Headless Horseman was significantly older and, like, by default had to be some, like, European thing. Yeah, no, that is just a Jersey thing.

Cristina: It's a Jersey thing. Yeah.

Jack: It got taken and showed up in a million places. But, no, that's. That's us. That's a Jersey thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, this is described as a humanoid that looks kind of like a shadow that doesn't seem to have a head in the way we would describe. And he's on something that we would compare to a horse, but doesn't necessarily look like a horse. This tells us a couple of things. It's a jinn of some sort. And he looks kind of human, but he wouldn't look perfectly human. That makes no sense.

Cristina: So it's a creature from somewhere else writing a creature from somewhere else.

Jack: It would be the people of the shadow realm, the gym, and whatever their horse equivalent is.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And based on everything else we know of the area. Now, there's a weird one. He doesn't f*** with people. Doesn't f*** with people. He's just not an echo. He is responsive. And here's the weird thing about this, right? People have yelled at him, and he'll stop and look like, turn his torso.

Cristina: Towards him and just gonna say, like, how.

Jack: You know, just turn and, like, wait. Like, he's just a dude. It seems like just a dude.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And he's like, okay. They, you know, people from the other side saw me. Let's, you know, let them have their moment or whatever. I'll stop here and let them roll by. Oh, they saw ghosts, whatever.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And it's like, it looks like he's not f****** with people. He's not doing it. He's just there and people see him. People have, oh, my God. The headless. And then he just, you know, he'll stop and kind of behaves like a. Like if he's a tourist attraction.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, like, yeah, they're looking at me. Let me stop. And so he's very known for just stopping. He's very known for, like, approaching. But this. These descriptions are where it gets very informative because this falls in line with all the other things we saw of the things that interact. If you look at the truck, if you look at the children, proximity makes them vanish. But in his description, it's something very different. What, he gets close and gets more translucent. Yeah. So, like, really far away. It looks like whatever particles hold him together are denser together. But the closer he gets is like. If you were shrinking and looking at atoms more and more, everything would kind of look more far apart, more far apart. If you were the size of an atom, you wouldn't see two things touching ever. There'd be no body. There's no such thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Sort of that same thing. The closer he gets, the more through him. You could see.

Cristina: What does that mean, though?

Jack: I don't know. So when he's maybe 20ft away, he's so hard to make out. But he's there, and you know he's there. It's like closer than that, you know, you can't tell he's there anymore, but he's not. And that's closest. F***. By the way, 20ft is nuts. But. So he's fully aware you're there. And, you know, he. I did it. I tried to find if maybe his voices come from him or if he waves or something, like the kids. Yeah, none of that. But he is fully aware that people come through.

Cristina: You know, just sense that he. He notices you.

Jack: He. Well, people see him, and I guess he would hear them or see them himself. Because if we assume that there's a notch and you see him as much as he sees you, then he's aware. There's one road. There's one road. Anybody who is on the other side and wants to interact with humans, they know where the humans are. They're on the road.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so it really. These descriptions. Not that anywhere says what I'm saying, that he's behaving like a tourist attraction. But if you were to tell me to describe what's happening, he's behaving like a tourist attraction. He knows all those people entertained, want to be scared or whatever. I'm not gonna scare them too much because there are things out here.

Cristina: But he does like that fear. Probably a little bit.

Jack: Maybe he does cruise by the road. Honest.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Quote horse unquote. But he doesn't mess with people and he doesn't chase people or anything. It just. Maybe he's just interested in humans. And it's like, oh, cool spot where you can see humans. You know, it's possible.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which would. It totally has to be. I'm thinking the kids. There's no park there. I think the kids just like playing close to the road because they might see humans.

Cristina: Yeah. It might still be the fear thing of like, oh, we're gonna get something out of here, even if we're not gonna try anything. But we just know just being here.

Jack: Just being here, we'll see them, we'll.

Cristina: See them and we'll get something.

Jack: I don't think it's about getting something. I think it's about. Because why they're not getting anything. You use the fear to get to this side to then get adrenochrome. They're not doing anything. They're not getting to the side to hurt People, they're just kind of chilling there. The kids are just chilling there. Yeah, the horseman's just chilling there.

Cristina: And the trucker guy.

Jack: The trucker guy's with people.

Cristina: He's.

Jack: He's looking for something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I think that guy was from this side. It's a truck. Yeah, that guy was from this side. And he just doesn't want to lose it. And he's like, I'd rather they lose it than me. But the kids don't have that. They just. Kids and they wave and, you know, hey, cool, whatever.

Cristina: And the horse, man.

Jack: The horseman is the same. He's just, you know, they're cool people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's weird, but there are peaceful ghosts here. I'm not even ghosts. They're just gin, man.

Cristina: But he's from that specific area. He's not from somewhere else in New Jersey. He's from Clinton Road.

Jack: Literally, from Clinton Road. It looks like there is on the other side, some civilization.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's possible that that civilization is based on paradise, because that's where the jumbled mess began. On the flip side. On the flip side, there have been stories of people going on a straight line. There's nothing but Clinton Road as long as you don't turn.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And somehow leaving how they came in. So it could just somehow turn on you.

Cristina: Clinton Road.

Jack: Clinton Road. People have gone in a straight line 10 miles before you exit back to lights. People have gone in one line.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And found the exit through which they came in.

Cristina: That's right.

Jack: Without ever turning. So fear could be f****** with the surroundings.

Cristina: Okay. There is something just weird, naturally, about.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Clinton Road itself.

Jack: And so because we went to a place with mad turns, even if we didn't take a turn, we multiply the fact that you can go in a straight line and exit the same entrance by the fact that there's like 30 turns in paradise. And now we have a road that could be anywhere.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Very strange. Now, this next one is very literal because people describe it as this way, which is shadow people. Everything else they have not described as shadow people. This one, they literally use the word shadow people. Dark, human like figures seen darting between the trees, often in peripheral vision, which. Yes, that's just shadow people.

Cristina: That's great.

Jack: The thing is, this is the most reported sighting of something that seems to be responsive people. Look, they scatter away. I think there's a civilization. I think that that area has. And I think, based on what we're reading right now and what you said, that maybe the experiment isn't even in the future. Maybe it was on the other side.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And it seems like there's a civilization on the other side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It could just be something that happened, you know, not even that long ago.

Cristina: It just happens over there.

Jack: Just happens over there. Could be. Doesn't have to be in the future. Could just be on the other side. It's folding everything together.

Cristina: Yes. And they just see shadow people.

Jack: Just shadow people casually running around, just living life. Okay. Pine Baron's Devil. Occasional sightings of a creature resembling the Jersey Devil in the denser parts of the forest. And that's very simply a creature from the shadow realm.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: But is it the same? They're saying it's like the other one. It's not the same as the Jersey Devil.

Jack: They're saying it's almost identical.

Cristina: It's almost identical.

Jack: It might be the same creature type and, like, be in a different area.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: No, that's the least weird thing here. I think it's just a creature. It's like seeing a wetchange or some s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, oh, my God, it's a demon. It's like. I mean, that's as close as raw. Nicka Run.

Cristina: It's just wild animal somewhere else.

Jack: Like a really wide. It's like if you see a wet shudge, that's like coming across a grizzly bear.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Get those f*** out. No. H*** no. Get the f*** out of there. That s***'ll flip your car, bro. Eyes in the darkness. This is definitely, most likely gin. Again, the glowing eyes. These are just probably. We're seeing light glares on Jinn and we just so happen to be seeing the Djinn simultaneously. My idea is described as glowing eyes watching from the woods at night.

Cristina: That's pretty creepy. But yeah. Yeah.

Jack: If it's just being observed and you're seeing through the thin veil and they're looking at you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Unseen forces which are. Again, feeling like one is being pushed or pulled. And that's. That could just easily be things coming through, walking by. And like in parts where the veil is thin but still not perfectly gone so that you can like, oh, wow, something just pushed me to the side. Oh, my God. There's something out here messing. And they're just walking by, but they don't see you. You don't see them, and you just touch and you're like, what the was that?

Cristina: I think that's. That's a good thing.

Jack: And it's actually one of the most described things happening. And it always happens on the main road. Anybody Gets out of their vehicle for any reason, they're usually like, what the.

Cristina: You didn't go out on the main road?

Jack: Yes, I didn't feel as though.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: We got out of the car. I got out of the car to look at the deer. I got out of the car to see why the car wasn't turning on. And I got out of the weeds. I just don't give a. If I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die. It is what it is.

Cristina: But you didn't see any eyes, though.

Jack: I didn't see any eyes. I saw the deer, the black guy in the KKK outfit. I saw the. I heard the children separate to the laughter. That wasn't necessarily children.

Cristina: Yeah, but you didn't see whatever.

Jack: No, I didn't see eyes, didn't see shadows or any of that stuff.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But the weird moving roads and changing turns, that's pretty strange. And the fact that all of us saw that is weird. Minus Nunez, because from Nunez point of view, it was. We were just sitting and he just saw all of us go catatonic for a moment, which is. His story is worse than all of our stories. Yes, we all experience being somewhere, but now we have to unpack this because he says we pull over and we never get. We. He never saw the dirt road. He never saw paradise. We pull over, the car doesn't turn on. And from his point of view, all of us just sat there and thought really hard about what to do for a while. From our point of view, while that was happening, how the f*** do we get out of this mess we're in? Meanwhile, he's the only quiet one with us. We're just thinking, you know, nuna doesn't fear things. He's a special kind of person. He doesn't feel fear the way we do. So, you know, he's just quiet, watching us scramble.

Cristina: I don't know. That changes everything.

Jack: That changes everything because this falls into what you were saying about the judge. Did the judges go unconscious somewhere and his. Some other thing was in the shadow realm? Yes, because he says, we were just frozen in place, thinking. We say, bro, we were lost for like 30 minutes, homie. What do you mean you saw nothing? The three of us versus the one of you, bro, this is a different argument you're having.

Cristina: But is he right?

Jack: But is he right?

Cristina: I don't know. That's. That's really good. I don't know. That's so strange. That's just so out there. I don't know.

Jack: It's f****** Weird, bro. It's really strange. I don't know what to. There's a lot of complications here.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Here is something that I believe is the veil thinning, which is melting trees that appear to melt or distort adding to the surreal landscape. I think this is just sort of the warped nature of the shadow realm being seen on this side. I think that's just areas where the notch is way turned up and we're just seeing what that side looks like.

Cristina: That's pretty cool.

Jack: My note for that was just likely trees in the shadow realm different than the wandering shadows in the forest. There are eerie shadows that move independent of sound, independent of structure, and independent of physical motion. This is strange because what they mean by independent of normal physical motion is they can go vertically and horizontally but in a walking human fashion.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like they'll just be walking and sort of like walking up into the sky suddenly.

Cristina: Because they're probably going up a building or something.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: We just can't see it.

Jack: We don't see the building. We see the shadow.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because they're the living thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we don't see the structure.

Cristina: Kind of makes sense. Yeah.

Jack: Wow.

Cristina: It's weird. It would be weird to see, but it might make sense over there.

Jack: Yes. Informed enough. It's not disturbing to us because it seems like. Yeah, there's probably a structure there that we can't interact with. And it's just going up some stairs or something.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not that crazy. Okay.

Jack: Which then goes and supports again that there's buildings here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which supports that there's a civilization in around Clinton Road. Shifting paths. Which is the problem we faced.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that is the literal story I was getting to about people going in a straight line and then exiting directly where they came straight through. That's shifting paths.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Us entering Paradise Road. Paradise Road disappearing behind us. And us just being in Paradise Town and not finding the road horrifying. Until it's suddenly just, hey, it's somewhere else apparently. Let's exit. And somehow it still took us to Clinton Road back. It's like this was. We didn't take any turns. We took a turn to get here now. And it still took us to the same place. What the f***?

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know. Yeah.

Jack: Mysterious footprints.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: Footprints that just begin and stop in the middle of a trail without a beginning point or an ending point. I think this just falls into more shadow realm stuff.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Maybe this is a spot where the notch is particularly turned up and we can start to see them literally affecting our physical space. And then they get. Get far from whatever's causing that anomaly. And then we no longer see the footprints. They kept walking on their side, didn't just disappear on their end, but the veil is thinner, is more tight elsewhere. And it's thinner in this spot.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that's my theory for that.

Cristina: I think so. It's not that crazy.

Jack: I think this next one falls a lot with the kids, which is ghostly campers which seem to be around the road. These people just hanging around the road, camping. You oftentimes even see tents. Apparitions in campers setting up tents around fires near the road. But they don't look human.

Cristina: They don't look human.

Jack: They look like shadows. Even with light present weird. And proximity. When somebody goes to see these campers, they aren't there anymore. Even with the fire burning. You get closer and the fire itself starts to dim, dim, dim until there's nothing camping. I think they're camping by the sea. I think they're being just as much as we're on this side. Oh, Clinton Road. This attraction, Horseman's Traveling. The kids are chilling there because it's entertaining and fun. People are camping by this road.

Cristina: Yes. I wonder if they see ghosts like we see echoes. Like, it's still an interesting spot to hunt for echoes or find echoes to them.

Jack: Maybe they're finding the same thing. Yeah. Distortions from their path.

Cristina: Yeah. Like they think that's as cool as we find it cool. And that's why we go there.

Jack: 100. It could totally 1000% be based on these comparisons. There are people just chilling here, trying to see the same things we're doing.

Cristina: Yeah. So, yeah. It's probably even weirder. Whatever they're seeing is probably even weirder than what we're saying.

Jack: I mean, maybe not for them. Maybe like, you know, we hear about ghosts and, oh, my God, this place is haunted. And we see an old guy pushing a wheelbarrow and it's like, all right, well, they see a wet shud, John. A loop. And it's like, to us, I would look nuts. But to them it's just like, oh, yeah, the echo of the wolf. You know, the wolf died.

Cristina: Entertaining enough for them to want to hang out in that spot, though.

Jack: Yeah. They're trying to get themselves scared.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like, oh, wow. Cool.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: It feels. It really, really just feels like they're people, bro. Like they're really gin. Even in text. Seem to just be people.

Cristina: I think so over there. Yes.

Jack: They're not bad people. There are bad people. There are some who are bad, but we got humans who are bad.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You know? Yes. There's a dude in a truck also. I would argue that guy's just a human on that side.

Cristina: Possibly.

Jack: Yeah. The truck part kind of makes that argument pretty strong.

Cristina: Yeah, I think so.

Jack: Yeah, exactly like the truck. They're not building trucks over there, bro. Come on. And then the final note on this is the floating lanterns, which again supports this again of. They're usually by the road in the woods.

Cristina: They're just hanging out.

Jack: Just hanging out, bro. They're chilling, they're seeing, they're doing what we're doing. Except they don't have cars. That's it. They're just doing what we're doing.

Cristina: Yeah, that's just them hanging out, I think. Yeah. There's weird stuff happening over there. Like over here. Yes. And so it's an attraction to them too.

Jack: Now, a random point to toss in about my personal experience with, with the guy in the robe. I thought he had a machete, not a shotgun. And what we saw was a deer open. If that deer was horrified enough. And this guy knew what he was doing. He was trying to get to the other side, wasn't he? He was by himself trying to get.

Cristina: To the other side and he just killed some s***.

Jack: And he opened it. He wasn't covered in blood. It was just opened. Yeah, this guy probably took some organs out, Ambros. Just spitballing. I don't know. But you're in the right place.

Cristina: You're in the right place for sure.

Jack: You're in the right place. If ever there was a maybe you're just trying to communicate. We know that the Vikings did that. They consumed a crap ton until they started hearing voices. And then those voices started guiding them and they turned it into a place that they could just casually walk there and interact with, quote the gods, unquote. Yes, the gods knew where to go and they knew where to go to just effortlessly interact with one another. Which, by the way, in theory, we could still do that today. We would just require killing a s*** ton of people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But in theory, we could have a perfect, in sync, one to one communication with the other side. And I think we don't need to make it. I think maybe that exists somewhere in Clinton Road already and that somebody might know it. You know where I think it is, and I think we all think it's in the same f****** place. It's in the castle.

Cristina: Okay. Are we gonna get to the Castle.

Jack: We're gonna get to that castle.

Cristina: Okay, cool.

Jack: Yeah. The next part is about three times as long as these two parts and is the one I called significant. These are the things that are obviously something to look at. Everything else we talked about in this episode and last episode. Interesting.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And for last episode. Yeah, for last episode was definitely the most important because we got things to look at. For this side, there's less to look at, although there's still some things to look at. Mainly not things here. But what this made us think of. Yes, next time, I believe 100% of that we have to look at, but we'll get to that. Anyways, as usual, if you guys have any input, any additional information or anything you could think about, feel free to contact us about it.

Cristina: Tell us.

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Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal. Thanks for listening. Bye.

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June 29, 2024

Rambling 279: Stonehenge

June 29, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Why does Stonehenge look so familiar? Who built this interesting structure? What was its ultimate purpose? The duo accidentally stumble upon Stonehenge while investigating cold spots for paranormal activity. Between familiar designs to identical functions, the similarities and purpose of this place becomes way more obvious than could have ever been anticipated.

+Episode Details

Stone Configuration
The Avenue
Legends and Folklore
Similarities to other Structures
Records, Documents and Texts

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. Hahahaha. Baffling day will be in fact.

Cristina: Haha.

Jack: Why, if I were some sort of a mime thing. Not a mime. What do you call it when you stick your hand up a doll's a** and you. He's not a mime, he's a puppeteer. Ventriloquist. First of all, I've never thought of this before, but have we in society sort of classified these two people in the same group? They're kind of like doing something, but also is like, what you're doing is impressive but unacknowledgeable.

Cristina: What?

Jack: The mime and the ventriloquist. Have we been treating them like equals? Kind of like, yeah, you're here, but like, f*** you guys. And not a direct f***** you, like cool, but like passively cool. You're not even like, inherently cool. It's just passively cool. Yeah, like, yeah, I'll stop and look at you for like a minute, for.

Cristina: A second, I don't know.

Jack: And then I'm gonna continue on my way. Regardless how impressive what you're doing might be. Outside of my point, this is a show where we ground stuff. And that doesn't mean that we take things from the ground or that we put things on the ground in the ground in a literal sense. Because in a metaphoric sense, we literally mean. In a metaphoric sense, we literally mean we grab things and put them on the ground. That's what we mean in a metaphoric sense. We mean literally, metaphorically, that we would grab something and put it on the ground so that it's like based. Okay, no, but we don't mean it literally.

Cristina: Even though you're saying literally.

Jack: No, no, no, we don't mean it literally. We mean it metaphorically, but we mean that metaphor literally. Okay, so we're literally meaning that metaphor, but we're not meaning the sentence literally. No, we're meaning the metaphor literally. Of course that we're grounding these thoughts. We're putting them on the ground anyways.

Cristina: We're starting off with like pictures.

Jack: Yes, yes, we are. You get it.

Cristina: Oh, snap.

Jack: You get it. Have you been having fun with the new mysterious? It's always more mysteries. Have you been enjoying this new format?

Cristina: Yes, I guess, because it's very Strange.

Jack: It is, but it's the fact that this keeps happening.

Cristina: It's everywhere.

Jack: Yeah. So I want you to tell me and the listener, I love this because I never put the image up. I tell them I'm always gonna put it up. But nobody puts it up. None of us put it up. Nobody puts anything up. The notes go up. Nothing goes up. Nobody puts anything up. So we're gonna describe this image. You're gonna describe this image. I know exactly what this is. I had to. Yeah, but you're gonna tell me what you're saying.

Cristina: I can't tell what's in the middle. I see. It looks like grass. It's a bunch of. It's just. It's very plain, grassy looking, with a circle.

Jack: So describe the grass. What are we talking about, grass wise?

Cristina: I'm not sure. Grass green.

Jack: Yeah. Like what? Where?

Cristina: Where? I don't know where. This is in the middle of nowhere.

Jack: How is the grass distributed?

Cristina: There's a lot of lines everywhere.

Jack: Is it plains? Is it a field? Is it a golf course? Is it a.

Cristina: It could be a golf course. I don't know. But there's a circle with two lines coming out of it. And then two lines come going over that line. But in the circle, I'm not sure what's in that circle. Is it trees? Can you tell what that's.

Jack: Yeah, I know what's in there.

Cristina: Are those trees, though?

Jack: No, I'm not answering that question yet.

Cristina: Not rocks? I don't know. And the two lines that are going out of the circle, there's something, some other type of path going through it. That. Not grass. Is it a road? It might be a road. I'm not sure.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: But everything else. The lines that are in the grass don't look like road lines. Those are, like, I don't know, biker lines. Maybe someone made it with a machine. But, like, grass is still there. So it's been a while. There, the lines.

Jack: Okay. Yes.

Cristina: And that circle is not perfect. Like, it looks like it's cut up in one side of it. But I don't know if that relates to anything. Okay. And I don't know.

Jack: All right, now give me some theories.

Cristina: What do you think this is something related to UFOs?

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because it's a circle in a field.

Jack: Interesting. So it's a field.

Cristina: Maybe, but it's very plain. So maybe it's more like a fairy thing because they like to do it in planes.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Circles and planes are fairy related.

Jack: Like what?

Cristina: Like what? Like that. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. Like what reference? What you're talking about fairies and planes.

Cristina: Yeah. Make circles, I think. And then they usually. What's in the middle of them? I don't know. It looks like trees to me.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Are we looking at it? Far away?

Jack: Say it again.

Cristina: Is this far away? Are we far away from whatever object is in the middle of that circle?

Jack: Yes, we're very far away.

Cristina: So I can only imagine that it's trees, but there's something sticking out. A bunch of something. I guess it could be rocks. It could be one of those things where people put weird rocks, like the stone hedge. But I feel like it's still fairy related, not alien related. Especially if it's. I don't know. I don't know. There's something because, like, when it's alien related, there's nothing in the circle. It's just, whoa, a circle. And then. But because there's something in the middle that makes it also feel like it's more fairy related.

Jack: I like the pattern you're spotting here. I've never thought of this before. We have discussed many alien instances. All their things are very exact lines. There's never objects in them. That is correct. We've also discussed fairies to extensive, deep, extensive details.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they always have something in the middle, and it's usually a circle. You're totally right. I like all the things you're pointing out here.

Cristina: So. Am I even close?

Jack: What do you think it is? Three guesses. It doesn't matter.

Cristina: Is that what they're called?

Jack: Or fairy trees. Okay, well, fairy trees are in the Isle of Man. Okay, go on.

Cristina: Okay. It's. So it could be a UFO circle. Anyway. Even if there's something there, like maybe things grew in there after a while. Anyway.

Jack: 100%. 100%. Like, what the h*** are we looking at? Right? They favor fields.

Cristina: And if it's just. If it's unrelated to either, then I don't know, a real nice, interesting gardening pattern.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: It's possible. I don't know why you'd want to talk about someone who did.

Jack: You are absolutely right about a lot of this.

Cristina: Stones.

Jack: Stonehenge.

Cristina: It was Stonehenge. That poor photo is Stonehenge.

Jack: That's photo Stonehenge. Think about everything you've spotted here that we are very informed in right now.

Cristina: So far, you can't even tell that there's stones.

Jack: Yes. That's not even the point. You spotted every. Everything that mattered about this. All the similarities, every f****** ounce of everything that mattered you saw in this image.

Cristina: It's very Bad image?

Jack: Very. It was important this. The distortion of this image mattered. I chose it intentionally because it was very small, and then expanding it made it very hard to see what was in the middle. So that you don't fixate on what was in the middle. I know how you work.

Cristina: That's so crazy, because you can't really tell. Yeah.

Jack: It looks like a blob of whatever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But you noticed everything else that mattered about that, right?

Cristina: Those things matter, though.

Jack: Every bit of everything you spotted mattered. And a lot of these similarities are like, But the question is, how did we get here? Right.

Cristina: It's not fairies. It's fairies. The answer.

Jack: Well, let me answer the question.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: How do we get on this road to begin with?

Cristina: With the hole in America.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Or I guess even before that. If we're starting from the beginning.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: It was that lady's house. Yeah.

Jack: We're just looking for distortions in space time.

Cristina: And you think there's a distortion here? There's stories about this place.

Jack: That's exactly what the landed me here. And that's what's throwing me off. Because then you look at it and then you're like, huh? Before I even read a story, I know who showed up here. I know what they saw, potentially just based on what I'm looking at.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yes. Give me some guesses and I guarantee you're gonna be on the nose of what the stories relate. Just looking at the shape of that. Give me one creature. Just make it an educated guess. Think about it. Don't go out of the blue based on what you're looking at. Make it one educated guess. Just one educated guess. You're going to be right. There's enough variation that fixates on this that you won't be wrong.

Cristina: I'm not sure what you mean.

Jack: One creature. One creature.

Cristina: The. Based on what you're looking at, creature and not fairies.

Jack: Not a fairy, but a creature that 100% you think could.

Cristina: Shadow Realm creature, or you're saying anything.

Jack: Anything you'd like. What comes to mind? What would show up? Whatever you want.

Cristina: Werewolves.

Jack: 100%. Yes.

Cristina: Okay. I don't know what.

Jack: So Stonehenge seems to be among the top 10 most active places that have ever existed. When I dive into what Stonehenge is, we're gonna be like, oh.

Cristina: Now more than just like what they say of like, it's a calendar in a way.

Jack: Okay, let's go straight to that. It's a calendar in a way.

Cristina: So. Yeah, that's enough of that.

Jack: Yeah. Calendar. That is the Sort of basic narrative we get. Right. That's the accepted narrative.

Cristina: You can see the passing of the seasons on certain points or something.

Jack: The light comes in between the sort of rock formations and that it works kind of like a clock, but for months at a time. And seasons. And that's it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just a clock for months and seasons. Pretty basic, Pretty simple.

Cristina: Yes. I mean, it's still kind of complicated because it's so ancient to be doing that, but. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah, a hundred percent. And that's really, really, really badass about it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But then I just gotta ask some basic questions. When you think about what it looks like, what does it look like?

Cristina: What does it look like?

Jack: What? Describe what Gates. Stonehenge.

Cristina: It looks like gates. They're gates.

Jack: Tell me the complicated nature of this. This is absurd, right? Just knowing what we know in general, why is it that we see this formation that's happening here? So now we got a close up look. Describe the current image we're hovering over. Describe what Stonehenge really looks like as we see it today.

Cristina: A bunch of stones. Two stones. Two long stones going up, one stone on top. Like a gate because there's like space in between each one. How many are there? Because there's one in the middle, one on the outside. And it looks like there could have been. There's a little bit in the middle too, but that could have just been the. The ones that were in the middle broken up. So because it looks like a lot of them are no longer there.

Jack: Here's a better angle directly from on top. And to show this is gonna be.

Cristina: A perfect circle like it was once upon a time.

Jack: Mm. Mm. Yes. Yes, it was.

Cristina: Why? Why don't they want to fix that? That's so cool.

Jack: They can't touch it. No, it's ancient.

Cristina: No, they should. They should definitely. Oh, my gosh. That's also part of it.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Because I thought they were all separate stone doors or whatever you want to call it. Man, I wish we knew what the middle part would have looked like. I'm guessing it would have been similar, but it's hard to tell now because it's. It's so. It's pretty gone. Just the outside layers more together.

Jack: Pretty interesting, right?

Cristina: Yeah. Gates.

Jack: It looks like a bunch of gates put together.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So is that the case?

Cristina: Yes. No. I don't know. Yeah.

Jack: You think it's a bunch of gates stacked together.

Cristina: But who would that be for the shadow realm?

Jack: There's observations that must be made about this in the first place.

Cristina: Like where's he located?

Jack: Fair enough. Let us go all the way to the beginning and talk some rough details. Right. First again seeking space anomalies and space time disturbances. We get here and I got here because I found a bunch of weird stories which we'll get into. But it led us to Salisbury Plain in Wiltshire, England. That's where Stonehenge is. Had you asked me where this was, I would have never in a million years known. I would have thought one of these random countries or people yodel or some s***, ya know. Okay, now make a random guess at when this was built. We're gonna start where it matters.

Cristina: Where did it start? I don't know. It has to really. It's. Sure. I'm sure it's related to the sea people somehow. But like I can't pinpoint it.

Jack: Put random year on it.

Cristina: The. The year Jesus was born.

Jack: That's the year one.

Cristina: Okay. Year one.

Jack: No, way longer ago. This is the year 3000 BC. Pretty holy s*** kind of amounts of time back. Yes, let's talk details. 72 stones fill the outer circle. In the complete version, if you fill it out and you create a design that is perfect and flawless without any stones missing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: 72 stones fill the outside. It is in fact a full circle.

Cristina: Okay. Was the inside supposed to be the same though?

Jack: 15 arcs would form out of these 72 stones. That's two up one over every time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: 15 arcs will form the 16 sort of doorways. Like you said, they all look like gates. Yes, specifically like Shinto gates. They all have that same kind of flat top to very stable side entrances or whatever.

Cristina: This has to do with the Shadow Realm people. That's not my new guess, but. Okay, continue though, right?

Jack: Like there's something to it too specific going on here. Now, more importantly, and where my fixation rests, here where the most important. Again, why first? What the h***? Fifteen. I don't think those are games. Not the 15 on the outside. Right.

Cristina: What's in the middle?

Jack: In the middle there are five and those are not connected. The ones on the outside creating the sphere or not sphere, but circle.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Are all connected. They all share. Each one vertical shares two horizontal and that continues all the way around.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But in the middle, each one arc is formed of three parts directly. They don't connect. They are set into a sort of horseshoe formation.

Cristina: Okay, and you said. How many of them are there?

Jack: Five would complete the sort of primary inside part.

Cristina: And that's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. And then there's just an open space in the middle yes.

Jack: Now, do you remember what you saw in the other image I showed you? It was a circle. With what.

Cristina: The first image?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: The very first image was a circle with two lines coming out of it.

Jack: Right. Is that something those two lines, they're important. That you saw were connecting. I mean, think about what you're looking at. Here's Stonehenge in the middle. There's a giant circle surrounding Stonehenge. There's two lines shooting right out of Stonehenge. I'll shrink this. Maybe you get a better view of what's going on.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. Oh, wow. Stones. There's more gays.

Jack: Those two lines are engraved in the ground and those two lines connect directly to the river.

Cristina: What's for.

Jack: That's not the important part. It's not even that they line up and did they connect to the river. It's what they line up with. What they line up with the summer and winter solstices.

Cristina: Yeah. That's why people watch that when it happens. People just live stream.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Watch it.

Jack: Now let's think about this real quick because you know of something else that fits both the suits we're talking about right now?

Cristina: That's when the spirits are easily come out. Right. Is that it? I don't know. Close like.

Jack: Yes, close like. Do you remember something familiar directly connected the two solstices with two of them? Yes. I can give you the reminder if you need it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But if you can remember.

Cristina: It's not that what I said. No, it's relating to the two solstice. I'm not sure.

Jack: Okay, so if you remember, a long time ago, we were talking about El Castillo created by the earth gods, which is essentially a temple where the very entry of the temple is lined up with the autumn.

Cristina: But that was also because we thought it was a gate.

Jack: It was a gate. It was a gate to the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: And to Mount Cuff.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Think about the shape you saw and the fact that this one we're looking at is not lined up to autumn and spring, but rather to summer and winter. And it looks like a what?

Cristina: A pyramid?

Jack: Like a pyramid.

Cristina: Oh, I thought you were talking about the other one. Oh, that. What does that look like?

Jack: Yes, the one we're talking about right now. The giant circle surrounding Stonehenge is very different than the sort of pyramid requirements to reach the Shadow Realm. Pyramids seem to reach the Shadow Realm. We see mountains, we see pyramids. The Shadow Realm. But circles seem to be associated with what?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: You were just talking about it. What the h*** do you mean fairies?

Cristina: Fairies. Okay.

Jack: Circles and fairies. I don't know why, but the geometry says circles and fairies and pyramids.

Cristina: In the shadow realm, pyramids and the.

Jack: Shadow pyramids always either connect to the shadow room or teleportation. Okay, we don't have pyramids leading us to the fairies. Okay, but circles always have the portals that take us to the fairies.

Cristina: Mm. But it doesn't take us to the fairies.

Jack: It takes the fairies to us. Yes, but it's a way. It's a doorway.

Cristina: Yes, but only for them.

Jack: Point is that we see fairies connected with circles and we see djinn connected with pyramids and diamonds and triangles and those kinds of shapes. Okay, so it's just a random pattern. I've been noticing, tossing that in there.

Cristina: Okay, but what about the circles we were seeing. Seeing in that farm?

Jack: Which farm?

Cristina: The farm with the circles that were moving around.

Jack: Yes, that's then when the question comes into play. Right.

Cristina: Because that had nothing to do with berries.

Jack: Well, we don't know that. Think about the fact that we saw both a square in the ground.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which, when you funnel it becomes a pyramid and a circle. Both of them were at that ranch.

Cristina: That's very strange.

Jack: Yes. It wasn't one. It was both. A circle in a triangle.

Cristina: You think, together.

Jack: The same kind of sort of indentation in the ground.

Cristina: But it's different time periods. So it wasn't like they were hanging out at the same time together or anything.

Jack: It's just.

Cristina: It's the random.

Jack: It's the best spot to do it because of the activity there.

Cristina: Yeah, but this is. This is probably 100 fairy release.

Jack: This is 100 fairy.

Cristina: Okay, now or not 100.

Jack: I wouldn't say 100 fairy.

Cristina: Because other things pop up.

Jack: Everything pops up.

Cristina: Everything.

Jack: It's.

Cristina: It's a hot spot. Like the other things. The other locations.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: We've been talking about.

Jack: Yes, but what you gotta question is then why are there so many similarities? Right. We have the lineup with the solstices, but the opposite too. Instead of autumn and spring, it's winter and summer. So the deviation, immediately something changes. Yeah, because now we're not sharing the same solstices, but we're also not sharing where we're going. Something about that alignment connects directly to either the shadow realm or the fairy Elfame. Fascinating. Just a bit of information we've uncovered.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Some sort of something means that spring and autumn, Shadow, summer and winter. Elfame. I don't know how. No, I don't know what. How this connects. But that seems to be the case.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: For whatever reason, very random observation. But throwing it out there, something we know now, maybe it'll connect in the future.

Cristina: Yeah, in the future.

Jack: You know, just saying it out loud. Maybe somebody tells us something. The message like, hey, what about the. What the.

Cristina: And then it's like, oh, how did we not notice?

Jack: How do we not notice? So something about lining up does matter.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And you have to line up with the sun, the way the sun is tossing energy in your way. And how you're using the energy creates some sort of a riff.

Cristina: Yes, but the sun is just very powerful thing that everyone's figured out how to use. Besides us.

Jack: Besides us.

Cristina: I mean, we're figuring it out, but, like, we're not. Like, compared to the Egyptians in the ancient time with their pyramids, like, come on.

Jack: Yeah. No, we're definitely kind of whack. But maybe they took this long.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We don't know. Like, it's. We don't know at what point they were at what. And, like, also, all of them got cheated. They got extra. Not cheated. But they got to cheat.

Cristina: They got to cheat.

Jack: Yeah, we can't compete with that. They got.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They themselves are like, oh, yeah, they. Something helped us. Yeah, like, come on, bro. What's helping us? But then again, everybody feel like, oh, we're taking technology from the aliens.

Cristina: Yes, we are cheating too.

Jack: Then we suck.

Cristina: Then we thought, yeah, if everyone cheated.

Jack: Guys, look, let's say we're not cheating and we're doing it all on our own. Let's just. Let's take that credit. Because we have to say we're cheating. Yeah, if we gotta say we're cheating, we're bad about cheating. Come on, man. Come on, man. If we're just bad, then we're not bad. We're amazing. We're doing it on our own.

Cristina: We are really good. Because it's not us. It's these people who are good at hiding it. Like, we know there's the technology that people have that are teleportation. We know that's there. We have. We don't have it. But there's humans that do have it.

Jack: That we came up with.

Cristina: Those humans came, like, in the farm. They figured it out in the farm. Yeah, Scientists. They're humans who can do it.

Jack: Yeah. Without the question is without alien help.

Cristina: Well, with alien help by, like, they were investigating the weirdness, and that helped them.

Jack: Yeah, fair enough. That's usually how it goes. Right? It's science.

Cristina: And now they can live in space and we have no idea about it because we're not one of them.

Jack: That's f****** nuts. Right? The fact that they. Oh man. It's so nut. But this is kind of the same s***. Right? This is just way up there.

Cristina: Tech. Yes.

Jack: And then here's the thing. Here's the f****** thing. That's craziest. We've heard a thousand times that technology sufficiently enough advanced just seems like magic.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: God. Could that not be more true the more you dig deep. This just looks like lines in the freaking. But think about everything. This is a transmutation circle of sorts. That's all it is. It's channeling energy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that energy is lined up with the solstices. We've seen this before. El Castillo has the stairs completely lined up with the doorway in a slightly variation. Open so that it's tighter towards the door, more open towards the base. And then the walkway itself continues that expansion. Then has a little bubble and then spreads out. So it is self is in the form of a transmutation. The field that they designed around it. Transmutation.

Cristina: And the steps are weird too, aren't they? Like they're really big or something.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: All of it for humans.

Jack: Yeah. The steps are abnormally large and in odd patterns. It's like everything is designed with these sort of geometric shapes in mind. All of it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But when it's a gate or you go somewhere that already has a shape. Someplace tall enough that already has a very triangular shape.

Cristina: Talk about a mountain.

Jack: A mountain. How would you compensate for the mountain if you wanted to make a fairy gate? Because now we can differentiate. We know what a shadow gate looks like. It's some sort of a Shinto fairy gate.

Cristina: I guess so. But like the one in the house. What did that one look like? If we can picture what the inside of the house looked like.

Jack: It was. There's. That's the most f***** problem. We have no idea which side she was inviting in. We assumed Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: But it could have been either or and both. Because there was no description to anything. It was an empty room. There was just a little shrine area in the corner. And the hooks. That's it. Nothing more. No description. I have no idea what she could have been doing. But the house itself was a giant shape.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In this same case. It's the same idea. It's a bunch of structure surrounding some kind of more important center. Like the seance room. This pattern representing itself again. And it looks too obviously like a gate here though.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But now 15 doorways. I don't think they were doorways. Maybe something else, some help channeling.

Cristina: But five doorways?

Jack: At least five doors. That brings up a problem. Why five doorways?

Cristina: So, okay, you think it should just be one doorway?

Jack: It should be three. Well, it should be two, depending on where you are. Unless it's multiple doorways, the same realms. It's not like a realm doorway as much as it is like, well, that one goes to the Shadow Realm here. That one goes to Shadow over there. That one goes to Elfame. Those two go to other parts of Earth Realm, you know, because there's five and you're already in earthrealm. Do you see? Okay, so there's five destinations. You'd only have two other realms to go to. So they aren't realm portals directly. Unless they are they, you know, more than one repetition. It could just be like Mount Kaf goes here, and this is Mount Olympus and this is Athos.

Cristina: That's if it's ferry related. It has more to do with what's on the other side. Like, they're not all coming here through the same place.

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: Well, the people that are living in the ferry place, if the humans there, I guess. Humans?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: They're not in. Why are they going through one gate into here? Wouldn't they go like a bunch of different places? Like, I don't know, like if you and a friend from Korea want to take a gate to, I don't know, gta. You just. You, you do it where you're at, but you still meet in the same spot.

Jack: I understand what you mean. I understand what you mean. So she's Korea, I'm here. We both go in through our gates and we're going to like, Las Vegas.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we both just pop up in Las Vegas. But there's two different doorways. So there's the Korea doorway and there's my doorway.

Cristina: Yeah. Because I don't know what the Parry world works like, but, like, if it's.

Jack: Like that, if it's another layer, then yes. And what this is showing us is that that argument holds more water. Because why can't they just pop up? Why do you need a door? We need a door to get to you. Why do you have a you made door? You wouldn't need to make a door.

Cristina: Well, they've always needed a way in.

Jack: Which also explains the seeing of the. Because we already know that there are the fairy forts that are made by fairies, which have the grass, the trees, circles.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then one tree in the center, it's a wall. Of trees. Perfectly. Then an empty grove in the middle with one tree in the center. And all of them look identical. And then the Mad Maid fairy forts that we just craft around an empty field. And then boom, a tree shows up in the middle following the same idea.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. I don't think they need something to get.

Jack: They've always needed some sort of a path. Which means they can't just hit a button and show up.

Cristina: But whatever they. When they do make a path here, there's no way for us to use that path. Which besides the necromancers, who's figured out. But they really can't go in it either. They just.

Jack: They have another way.

Cristina: They have another way.

Jack: Yeah, but here is the thing. Think about what you just described and tell me how is that any different than a Shinto gate?

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: From over there, you can come over here. What happens if you walk in through a Shinto gate on this side?

Cristina: Go to Shadow?

Jack: Since when?

Cristina: Oh, not us.

Jack: No, Nobody. Nobody goes in through a Shinto gate and goes to the Shadow Room. It's a one way gate.

Cristina: It's a one way gate too. Yes, that's true. Okay.

Jack: They're both just one way gate. So you can only come from that side, this way. You can't go from this way, that side.

Cristina: Well, they may. They maybe can.

Jack: As far as we know, we can't go through it.

Cristina: Yes, but they could probably use those gates back.

Jack: Yeah, but I was only kind of answering to the fact that you said it looks like a one way gate.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So.

Jack: Yeah, I could totally. Yeah. I don't know if you want to argue your own point. Sure. Yeah. My point was.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If it is a one way gate, how is that any less one way than a Shadow Realm gate where they can only come in?

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: You know. Yeah. It's exactly the same idea. So there's too many similarities here to ignore. Now let's break apart some of these details. Other than the size and the fact that we got five doorways, which brings up a thousand questions. I hope it's more than one destination in the same realm. Because then I'm confused about. Then what the h*** are the other three doorways? Because, okay. Elfame and Shadow. And then what were the Norse people closer to it? And it was closer to seven. They had five or seven or nine.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: If there are two doorways that are purely different destinations and the other three are supposed to be different destinations, then. Holy. But again, it could most likely just be like Earthrealm Destination 1, Earthrealm Destination 2, and Shadow Realm Destination 1, Shadow Realm Destination 2, and Alfame. Or all elfame destinations. You know, it could just be whatever. Who knows?

Cristina: Yeah. And be impossible to know.

Jack: Yeah. The lines coming from the structure, the ones lined up with the solstice, are called the avenue.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Just giving that information if you feel it's relevant. It consists of groves and connecting lines, and they connect to the nearby river near Stonehenge. Now, where I landed here initially was looking for disturbances and things. I did find weird disturbances and things. And you dive into these reported oddities. You would find reported oddities very quickly. This is when temperatures drop suddenly in climate. You just go ahead and go into the Weather Channel, find a location just like, okay, where. Where have there been abnormal spikes that you guys have been like, huh? And then there'll be weird registrations, and you can like, oh, what year was this? Or whatever. Now, when you do that, you can find consistent spots of weird kind of activity like that. And then if you go and find. Sometimes it's nothing. 99% of the time, it's nothing. It's like, well, you're in a weird hole that you can't really tell in the map. And so wind always works this way here. And so there's an updraft that always sends all the hot air up, and then this causes all the cold air down. So it's abnormally cold here always.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's like, okay, yeah, that makes sense. But sometimes you're in a place where that shouldn't be happening. Like a giant empty field in the middle of nowhere. There should be no cold air just suddenly collecting different than the surrounding areas.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So when that does happen, maybe you.

Cristina: Look into it and also what's happening.

Jack: Yeah. And so you look into the fact that, like, holy. So this place is just a giant cold spot place, and it's already Stonehenge.

Cristina: That's pretty strange.

Jack: I got here through the cold, and then I'm like, holy. Really?

Cristina: No, we got there through the cold.

Jack: I got there through the cold. I wasn't like, oh, Stonehenge. How weird is this place? It's like, it's Stonehenge, and we're just weird people who. It was probably really easy to build, and we're just like, What a mystery. Except, d***. Okay. Like, everything was justified the deeper you dig. Yeah, fair enough. Everybody was right. It's weird. Weird. It's strange.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I was hypocrite. I'm like, everybody's an idiot and easily Impressed. And we could have probably built this easily. It was like definitely. It's not about that. We could have definitely 1000% have built it. That's not the point. It's what it looks like, where it is and why. That's where it's like, oh f***. Yeah, we could have built it. But why did we build it? Why, why did we built it? So the legends that got me here initially there was a story about the devil that bought these stones from a woman.

Cristina: The devil somewhere.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That bought these stones from a woman and he bought the stones in Ireland and he brought these stones from Ireland and he took these stones and he placed them here and he was to humiliate the woman. Salisbury Plains, by the way, is the part in England where it is Salisbury Plains in England. So he puts them there, positions him and he's like, hahaha, nobody's ever gonna know why these are here. Yeah, she's never gonna, she's gonna tell everybody. Oh, he tricks me and he put them there and nobody's ever gonna believe her. And the people who do find these are never gonna know why they're here and it's gonna be ridiculous. And hahaha. That's like a real folklore story. I don't understand sort of the premise of it, but yeah, like, the devil tricked her. It's probably some sort of like money moral story. Don't give your money to the devil because going to humiliate you.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or some like that.

Cristina: That works. Sure.

Jack: Now, dancing stones, there were some ballerinas or something. Giants. Because of the area where. And keep in mind the area we're talking about is England. So we're right next to Ireland, right next to like the northern part of Europe where we're getting like weird fringe and like we got the, the Vikings up there and crap like that. So giants. Giants.

Cristina: Do they mean giants as in giant giants?

Jack: They mean tall giants. Not as the right. Nephilim. Giants.

Cristina: Okay, just checking.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: But also Nephilim were huge too. That they could be both sizes according to some. So whatever the case might be. But giants the words.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so that these stones were actually giant ballerinas dancing that had been petrified suddenly. And so that's what it looks like. They were in the middle of choreography.

Cristina: And then something just scared them.

Jack: Something not scared them, petrified. Turn them to stone.

Cristina: Turn them to stone. Oh, okay. Was it Medusa? Okay.

Jack: Don't know.

Cristina: What a weird story.

Jack: Another story is that they were placed there by deities or something and had Healing properties, you know, basically.

Cristina: I'm sure. Sure.

Jack: That's the obvious one, right? Yeah, I see. I like. I don't like the duh. But then I came across a sentence where I was like, okay, because. Because that. To that point, I'm like, okay, maybe there's cold spots and stone change, but.

Cristina: Like, there's nothing there.

Jack: This is stupid. Yeah. Like, it's getting pretty dumb. There's nothing. And you look at these stories deeper, you dive into any of them, and it's like, you guys are crazy. There's no basis here for anything. It doesn't connect anything. It doesn't make sense. It's nonsense. It's nonsense. It's legit folklore.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Until the title of one story, I didn't even have to jump into story yet. It said the fairy Stone, which just justified so many things I already had in my mind.

Cristina: The Fairy Stone.

Jack: Yeah. I already looked at these and I'm like, I see what this is. And I'm already like, yeah, exactly. And I'm like, this circle. Huh? I see what this is. I see a gate. I see fairies, you know?

Cristina: Yeah, I see.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. It's all there. I see weird things. And then this person's like, the Fairy Stone.

Cristina: I'm like, oh, that makes sense. Yeah. Okay, but say more interesting.

Jack: So this local legend was basically that fairies built this place, and it literally. Literally. The legend is not me adding any sauce to this, that it serves as a portal to the fairy realm and other realms.

Cristina: And other realms.

Jack: Yeah. But okay, it's. It could just be multiple destinations in one room. It doesn't say each story is a different realm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So.

Cristina: Yeah, I'm thinking that's exactly what we thought, though.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah, that's crazy.

Jack: Now this 100% serves the fact that people have seen the weirdest s*** here too.

Cristina: Bigfoot, I don't know. Like what?

Jack: No, like werewolves.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: But when you see a werewolf in the middle of nowhere, you're not really seeing a werewolf. You're seeing something that kind of looks like a werewolf. You're seeing, like, a wet shudder and dingo, you know, it's the spot where you would see that, which the theory is, then something must have happened here longer ago from this point that made this the viable spot for this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It must be so long ago that it predates any of our ability to track recorded records and that we have to find, like, tracking down the Aliasians and, like, finding out about Loi Shreds. A little tiny sliver of a mention somewhere Must exist. About that, about this spot. Something must have happened here.

Cristina: It was what it is. Before the stones.

Jack: Yes, before the stones. And we're talking that you guys have a area that seems to connect to multiple points from one place. The amount of entered. There must be something. There must be a lot of some things in shred. Just a tiny sliver. But a thousand times, because enough people would have known about however much death took place to make that work. I believe that's trackable. I believe that must be incredibly trackable. We just don't have this, the context of philosophy, the sort of thought tools to be like, if I see it here, then I can apply that logic over there. But you have five portals in one location that go to different destiny. It doesn't matter how many. They could all be on Earth. You have five portals in one destination. Bare minimum. If every doorway is a portal, how many people died to make it work?

Cristina: How many people died?

Jack: Do you see why it couldn't be? I don't think it could be. I don't think they could all be doorways. And also like, what?

Cristina: No, it couldn't be.

Jack: There must be some channeling nature to them.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know how, but like.

Jack: Because they're also connected. There's something weird there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't understand the design for that.

Cristina: But it makes sense in the way that the house makes sense. Like she did so much crazy things that look like nonsense. But it made it work. We don't need to know what it is, but obviously it takes a lot of whatever.

Jack: Yes, it's random things we know about this place. It only works twice a year.

Cristina: What do you mean works?

Jack: It only works. These gates only work twice a year.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: During autumn, during summer solstice and during winter solstice. Yeah, so that's an interesting point. It's null and void, easy to keep track of if you have enemies on the other side. Only once a year do you post anybody to watch, you know, trade happens only once a year. Is this a hotspot? Which brings up an interesting point. It is suggested that it is also a trade center. It has resemblances to other trade centers from other cultures. So that it is a trade center of sorts. Now, if we had people from the Shadow Realm trading with people from Earth Realm. Oh, were we also trading with people from Elfame? Because if we're finding that they need gates and we are finding evidence here and there scarcely that maybe they are just another layer. They might be higher up than us, but they are still equal.

Cristina: I don't know. That doesn't make sense to me. I don't know. I always imagine that there's so much above.

Jack: Well, they wouldn't trade with us per se as much as like, volition. The Alicians do you see?

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know.

Jack: And then military action makes a lot of sense, which then takes into account that what we are interpreting as Firewalls. Yes, firewalls. But even within our own discussion, the firewalls are soldiers of sorts.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: And like. Well, the Alicians are a problem and they have other military. Just like in current day, for us, we have enemies and we position ourselves tactically around them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we're like, you move weird, we move weirder. So don't move weird. Look at where we are. Maybe that's really the move here when we. Because think about. We know the story very vividly. There starts to be a move, a push towards the Jesus project. And suddenly the people of Elfhame show up and the elves are like, okay, our job has begun. You know, as soon as Alexander begins his role. And we start seeing the motions from Jehovah and we start to see the parts in motion to kind of create Jesus, which is about 150 to 200 years. Alexander starts about 300 years back. That's the same time the way Hermes is starting to kick up his whatever, most important project.

Cristina: When do we see the fairies?

Jack: The fairies start about 300 years, which is the same point we get to Alexander. That's coinciding. That was the most important point of that episode. But it just so all happens to line up there.

Jack: Maybe it was. Oh, f***. They started to move weird. Mobilize the soldiers.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, the people of Elfame started to do whatever, you know, their nuclear project has begun. Okay. Let's make sure they know where we're. That we're here. So, you know, put some elves here, put some elves there, put some elves over here and they'll know. Make sure all their people are in check so that they remember who we are.

Cristina: Yes, but not us.

Jack: Not us. The people from Elfhame. Specifically, Mab. Giving directions.

Cristina: No, I'm saying, like, they're not watching over us. The humans here, we're watching over.

Jack: They're watching the people of Elfame. Yeah, the elves are watching the people of Elfhame.

Cristina: The elves are watching the people from Elfhame.

Jack: Yeah. Trying to keep them in check. Or that was a point.

Cristina: Alfame is where they go.

Jack: I mean, my bad. The Alicians.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: My Bad. The elves are watching the Alicians.

Cristina: Yeah. Yes. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: The elves were watching the Elysians. That's what I meant to say.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. Okay, that makes sense.

Jack: So their whole purpose was that they.

Cristina: Come and watch, they sing the weird.

Jack: Stuff, and then Jesus, they see that the Elysians start the ball rolling for the Jesus Christ project. That really got out of hand to begin with for everybody.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Which, like, fair. Okay, let's give Mab some credit if the image that's building is accurate. The same way that we give Jehovah credit for telling Lucifer, like, calm the f*** down. You're gonna kill them all.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That same logic is ultimately what Mabsaw. And we're gonna say that Jehovah was so cocky, he thought he was equal the same way Lucifer did.

Cristina: Oh, right. Yeah.

Jack: Jehovah's sin is the same sin that he judged Lucifer for. I know. Just as much. But, like, d***, dude. Ma' am saw it coming, bro.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: She was trying to stop it, and now here we are. Jesus is out there. You did it. Yeah, she tried.

Cristina: And the days are coming, and he's gonna come back, and. Yeah, whatever.

Jack: She knew you'd start the apocalypse, homie. Yeah, she knew. And you're like, nah, Lucifer's gonna do it. And it's like, nah. She's like, nah, you're gonna do it.

Cristina: And he did it.

Jack: Funny enough, all the evidence tells us that she somehow ended up in the creation of everything beneath her by creating Yalda, who then created everything beneath him. So, like, that's her fault. Whatever is gonna end her universe, too, is her fault.

Cristina: And.

Jack: And somebody up there was like, don't do this. This is stupid. You're gonna kill us all. And then she did anyways, and now she's trying to control it in her.

Cristina: Creature, her creations created something. Who created something.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That's gonna destroy it all.

Jack: Yeah. It's nobody's fault, but everybody's fault.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Right. This is ultimately what's happening.

Cristina: Turtles all the way down.

Jack: It turtles all the way down. It always turtles all the f****** way down. It's absurd. It's so absurd that we. It doesn't matter where we look, if you have the context to look. So I'm gonna give you the details that don't matter because the puzzle was too obvious. Seeing the shape from the outside.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We're too informed. We looked at it. We're like, I know what this is.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We both saw the same f****** thing. You didn't need s*** else.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You just saw the circle in the field. You're like fairies and you're like, the gate. That's a gate. That's only a gate. And then I tell you it's 3,000 years earlier and you're like, oh, it's just a primitive version of the same thing. That one's made of stone and this one is made of poles. It's the same f****** thing. Time changed how it looked. Yeah, that's it. That means Jesus didn't invent the gate. Point number one.

Cristina: No, he was taught about the gate, I think.

Jack: By who? Because he taught a bunch of people a bunch of random s***. You're totally right.

Cristina: That's how I know about the stones in the shadow realm, man.

Jack: He has a rat in there.

Cristina: I don't. I has to be. It has. It was too, too easy. I understand he's probably like Santa Claus that he can sense things, but d***. But like day and a half easy.

Jack: A day and a half in a jumbled mess. Get the out of here now. Dude, it's too easy. He showed up on the other side and somebody's like, follow me, I'll show you. Yes, I would love to see the movie on that. That must be the most epic movie. Jesus, right? Just pops up. He just experienced the movie begins at the most horrible moment of the crucifixion. Great scene, right? Super dark, super horrible. Maybe like five minutes of it happening. Super horror. And then he dies. And then darkness. We hear crying in the background. Whatever, you know, old Israeli music or whatever is gonna kick in. And then a heartbeat. And then. And then he just like, he starts to panic. And then he opens his eyes and. Okay, now he's. He's looking around. He's looking around. Then he just sees something. A. Something's there. He doesn't know what the f*** it is. Kind of looks like a person. Kind of looks like a silhouette. He can't make out what it is. Shadowy looking, like, what. What is this ambiguous thing? And that person Sundays, we have two days. Follow me. Best intro ever.

Cristina: I don't know if the time works the same over there either.

Jack: Exactly. Oh, my God. Maybe it's less. Maybe it's more. No, it's probably more. Who knows? You're totally right. He could have been over there for a super long time.

Cristina: Yeah, we don't know.

Jack: Crazy a** adventure.

Cristina: It's just here. It was two days.

Jack: Yeah. Oh, I never thought about that. Interesting. I like that. Yeah, because it is weird over there.

Cristina: It's weird. So we don't know. And also he Got those stones. Too easy.

Jack: Too easy. Could have been forever. Had to be.

Cristina: Right now he's working with the shadow realm creatures. Like, there has to be a leader that decided this was a good idea.

Jack: Did it Safer to work with Jesus. Yeah, I don't even know. Anyways. Anyways. Going through a bunch of crap. Weirdly enough, I do find a direct mention to this in text. Weird. So in 1136 AD, a man named Geoffrey of Monmouth claimed be very ready for the following sentence. Because this is the trippiest part. This confuses the entire plot that we've devised here because what he says is too on the nose. And then it's like, oh, s***. He specifically and literally puts into writing what? Merlin did this. He did this thousands of years ago. He constructed Stonehenge. Literally, it goes. He constructs the stonehead hundreds of years prior by transporting stones collected near and in Ireland to where they rest now. Now, there's too much accurate information going on there. There's too much accurate information with the devil story.

Cristina: And because I could have been like, fairy, like, talking crap about him.

Jack: Yes. You see the painting that they immediately made, the devil now suddenly made sense because of how they like the twist stories.

Cristina: Yeah. He could have stolen those. He stole those stones from fairies.

Jack: Now, locations tells you everything you need to know. Where did the stones come from? Ireland. And where?

Cristina: I already missed it. What did you say?

Jack: The sentence specifically said shocking. Ireland and places near Ireland.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That tells us one important, important location, which is the Isle of Man.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah. Where this fairy garden is, I guess. I don't know what to call it.

Jack: Necromancer built a portal. The power of a fairy portal. That's what we're seeing?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He built a monstrously colossal, incredibly intricate, complicated portal that works to access fairy locations. I don't know. And I don't think it could access shadow realm locations because of the rule that seems to happen naturally that we're observing where all of the shadow realm connections. But our one and only fairy realm connection doesn't have a pyramid in f****** sight.

Cristina: I don't think he has the ability to travel the fairy world because as far as we know, necromancers can travel easily. Easily. But like, they're not in the ferry. They're using it somehow to travel here. Easily.

Jack: Yes. The point, there's a way that they're moving through that space.

Cristina: Yes. So then those would be his portals to probably go into other places here.

Jack: Unless those are his portals to literally go into there while he has other ways to move through again. If this turns out to be just another layer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then what we're thinking is a satellite could literally be him literally being there.

Cristina: In the fairy world.

Jack: In the fairy world, like necromancers are actually getting there.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Because they're another layers or not some inaccessible other location. If they are just another physical layer to us at. And they know how to do that. And the story is a necromancer called Merlin, hundreds of years prior to the writing of the moment, according to the writing, built Stonehenge with stones stolen from fairies.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: This is kind of heavily on the nose. I could have guessed half of the story had you asked me, you know, like, that's how on point this is.

Cristina: Yeah. That's kind of crazy.

Jack: If you told me where I'd go find some fairy stones, I would instantaneously say somewhere near Ireland.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: It would have to be the Isle of Man or some kind of place along the coast. The end.

Cristina: Ridiculous. That's great. This is a crazy story.

Jack: This s*** is so on the nose.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So I was kind of blown away by that. And. Yeah. So look, this is another one of those scenarios where there isn't any one thing literally saying that, but all the.

Cristina: Individual parts are like, definitely that.

Jack: Like, what the f*** else could it be?

Cristina: What else could it be? I think that's it.

Jack: Yeah. It's just very old and withered and not used. Or maybe it works at this point, but people go there at the point nothing happens.

Cristina: Well, they wouldn't be able to do anything. Like it would take one of him to. To use it. Like it probably does work.

Jack: How do we know people have been there during the solstice and it does nothing.

Cristina: Why would it do something for them?

Jack: Well, it's possible this is more than just a one way gate. I don't know if it is. Maybe it is that somehow there's just. But there must be a gate that must be one way from here out to somewhere. And if you put two of those next to each other.

Cristina: But you still need to have the knowledge of necromancers.

Jack: Yeah, but so you built it and then what? You don't. You need the knowledge of a necromancer to activate it too?

Cristina: Maybe.

Jack: Fair enough. That could totally be the case. But if you look at this image, you'll notice that there's a bunch of little details that are no longer present. On top of the fact that most of the structure, the outer circle, is broken at Stonehenge.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Do you see? I believe that if this is in fact the transmutation circle. We're looking at a broken transmutation circle. The reason it doesn't work is because it can't channel the energy. It's broken.

Cristina: Okay. And they're never going to fix it because they can't.

Jack: They can't fix it. If they do, then they're ruining this relic. They would have to try to replicate the design elsewhere and see if they can get its function going, which includes all of these small little details made of something called bluestone.

Cristina: What is blue stone?

Jack: It's a kind of stone.

Cristina: Where is that from? Is that from Ireland or something nearby, like those other.

Jack: All the stones are from nearby? Yeah, they're all from like Ireland and like local areas. The whole structure was made like that. But then there's a bunch of different things. Look at north barrel, look at the south barrow. There's a station stone. Station stone. It looked like it was a multi purpose device. There are many theories on what this in fact was. It's not just a calendar. As much as some people are like, oh yeah, it's some sort of energy channeling device or it's some sort of starscope or it's some sort of astrological measurement device or something like there's many. That's the point. It looks like it is all of it. Now let's end this on a very important note. All the stones that are horizontal and all the stones that are little circular ones on the outside are lined up with stars. All of them.

Cristina: You think teleportation to space then?

Jack: Teleportation. Not just the different realms. I think there's five gates. And if one would go to like Mount Ka, and if one would go to somewhere in the shadow realm that El Castillo connected to, then you have three destinations left, Right? That's one in Earth realm, one in Shadow realm. So then you say one wherever the Egyptians went to that somehow people are still connecting to space. Yeah, that's somewhere else. And one wherever the Mayans went to underground and one wherever the Alicians went to.

Cristina: No way. Maybe, I guess. I mean, it's. It's a necromancer. They can do whatever.

Jack: Do whatever. All these, these are just random suggestions, right? They could be any. You could assign any random 5. If a necromancer built this, which is.

Cristina: The accusation, which makes a little sense. I don't know.

Jack: I think that makes the most sense.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like, then you got these five doorways. What five evened out things could we assign to those? They must go to five sort of equal places. And if it's realms, then we'd only have two, because you're already in one.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Unless there's repetition doesn't matter. And if repetition doesn't matter, we can have that many doorways, we can have every single one of those doorways could actually be one. Maybe they make total sense. You know, maybe it's like three next to each other. Like, this one goes to that part, or if that one goes to this part Earth, this one goes to that part Earth. And those four over there in a row are all the Shadow Realm. Those seven are this place. And this goes. You know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Could easily be something like that. And in the case like that, if, let's say a person from Nordic background walked really, really far, landed in this place, and was explained that. Well, this one goes to some people who live underwater. And this one goes to some people who are really good working underground. And this one goes to some people who are really good at working in the skies. Oh, and also the people from the skies work with really good energy, and the people over here work with really great genetics and the people over there. And so you start to explain this system. And slowly but surely, this Nordic person is like, those three are up, but they're different kinds of up. That's down.

Cristina: Saying that's what made their legends.

Jack: It kind of starts to paint an interesting picture. Right.

Cristina: But how many do they have? Don't they have 7?

Jack: 5? 7 or 9?

Cristina: 5, 7 or 9. Oh.

Jack: Depending on which branch of their tradition. You pull from five, seven or nine.

Cristina: But it's impossible to tell what's the original.

Jack: Yeah. And here we have five, which is one of those.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're just throwing, you know, spitballing the way we do. Love just so happens to fit many suits.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And I think it's 90% at least. Definitely. It's 100% a gate territory. That's not a question.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Where it goes very related is like 90% the question or the answer. Most likely.

Cristina: Most likely. I would say most likely.

Jack: That's about it. It doesn't seem that there's no. Is the first instance of gates and no associations. Like it's Auto Mountain or some s***.

Cristina: But related to Merlin, man.

Jack: That's a weird one.

Cristina: That's a weird one.

Jack: But also he seems kind of op.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: And this is way before whatever mess.

Cristina: He was in with author.

Jack: Yeah. This dude said, thousands of years ago, this guy made this s***. It's like, whoa, whoa, wait. How do you know Merlin that well, bro? How do you know thousands of years ago.

Cristina: Are there more Moreland stories? Because I thought author was the Merlin story.

Jack: You know what's weird? I have seen, like two or three that are allegedly taking place before. I'm like, okay, so he must be some older legend that got tangled up and turned into Merlin, right?

Cristina: Yeah, like Santa Claus.

Jack: Yeah. So if we follow that, I bet that guy's named Hermes somewhere.

Cristina: No. What if they all go back to.

Jack: Hermes where he's a student, you know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or I could trace the line back and he's like, at the Aristotle school.

Cristina: We'll find out that they're all Hermes except for the one student, which is Jesus.

Jack: Yes, that be. That would. That would make so much sense.

Cristina: I would.

Jack: That's the most possible story. It's either a bunch of necromancers that we're slowly gonna uncover. Or two.

Cristina: Or two.

Jack: Or two. The guy who made it and guy who perfected it.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, I don't know.

Jack: Anyways.

Cristina: So crazy.

Jack: This has been Stonehenge, people. This is what I found. All the shapes and weird. Interesting. I didn't focus on those stories as much. Again, there were stories. There were many ghost stories. The basic stories. If you guys want a quick brush up. There's a lot of stories about, you know, phantasms, cold spots. There are again, many werewolves. There are vampire stories that take place there. People visiting it and, like, passing out and having blank marks and blah, blah, blah. From, like, many years ago. Yeah, thousands of years. Not thousands, hundreds of years ago. Medieval times, specifically.

Cristina: Many years ago is fine.

Jack: Yeah, long ago. There is recurring voices. There are moving shadows. But all of this just fits the suit of a place with high disturbances.

Cristina: Yes. Any time disturbances, though? You never mentioned that.

Jack: No. So interesting enough, there doesn't seem to be any other than echoes of people. There doesn't seem people slipping in and out of time. People being there for a couple of minutes and it seeming longer or being there really long and assuming a couple of minutes. Or seeing things that should be out of time moving around them. Other than what we would classify as a ghost echo.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which are a plethora, every variation of every version of ghosts. And then what we would call phantasms and what we would call spirits, which are most likely just gin and creatures from the chaperone. All of those. Yes.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Time distortions. No. But based on paranormal activity in general, we have our suspected space time anomaly or disturbance, which then literally brought us to the right conclusion of something weird is going on here.

Cristina: Interesting. And then this place might relate to Merlin.

Jack: To Merlin. Of all people. It's interesting how we keep coming back to the same kind of.

Cristina: It's either him or Hermes. And if they're the same, that'd be funny.

Jack: That'd be funny. More names for the same guy. He just keeps doing it. Which would explain why Jesus did the same thing. And then it brings up an interesting point. That was loi training to be the same because there seems to be many people who took that name. Or is it just last name?

Cristina: I don't know. No, I think it's. No, I don't know. I don't know anymore. It might all be one person. I don't know. That's complicated.

Jack: Only one person has ever existed.

Cristina: It's three people. No, it's one person. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. Anyways, if you guys have any information, hit us up on our socials and tell us what you discover on your searches to better information and understanding. And you can do that on all our socials at just convopod, on TikTok, on X, on Facebook, not on YouTube, but Instagram.

Cristina: And. Yeah. Whoa. That's crazy. I mean, they were, like, doing it slowly.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: They just got tired of it.

Jack: Yeah. They slowly were like, let's not take one at a time.

Cristina: Take the whole thing. That's so wild. I took that so long. But. Okay, well, remember to subscribe, rate, and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And Word of God mouth, it's very important to tell people that we're getting to the bottom and grounding the world's most absurd and baffling ideals.

Cristina: Very baffling.

Jack: Very.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: By. Okay, Random thing we just saw and noticed and thought about right as we ended.

Cristina: How we didn't notice. We were talking about it. We were so close to it. The. What is it? The Merlin gates and Jesus's Shinto gates. We're wondering who taught Jesus all of.

Jack: Everything, especially how he gets these gates.

Cristina: How he got these gates, how did Jesus do it?

Jack: And then we see that the Shinto gates are an identical design to Merlin's gates used at Stonehenge. Just a more primitive version at stonehenge, but about 3,000 years older.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Shock. I wonder who taught Jesus.

Cristina: Huh? Huh?

Jack: Just tossing that at the end. Anyways, thanks for listening.

Cristina: Thank you. Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo, and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

June 22, 2024

Rambling 278: Skinwalker Ranch

June 22, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

What goes on at the Skinwalker Ranch? What are the stories of this place? Did the indigenous people of the region have anything to say about this place? The duo dive into the extremely active paranormal Skinwalker Ranch. A hotspot for all strange and unexplainable activity. The goal? To link the paranormal activity to high energy circumstances related to hermetic technology.

+Episode Details

Skinwalker Ranch
Paranormal Investigations
Aerospace Research
Secret Government Programs
The Sacred Ute Land
The Cursed Navajo Land
High Energy Technology

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas, and we're in a new chapter in life. Finally, we got our way out of that to some degree, right? We.

Cristina: I don't know. I feel like we went back.

Jack: No. You gotta understand that when it comes to the Elysian saga, we've entered the part of the Supernatural series. The show Supernatural. Cw guys, go watch Supernatural. It's really long. Don't watch it so long. You gotta commit to life. Watch it. It's so good, though.

Cristina: It's so good.

Jack: So good. It's like watching a Supernatural soap opera. There's a lot of brotherly drama. Oh, my emotions. Oh, you. You didn't stand by me, brother. Oh, but I'll do anything for you, brother. And like, I'll write or die, regardless of how evil you are. A lot of that going on. But soup. I don't even know what the. My point was.

Cristina: We are doing Supernatural stuff.

Jack: Oh, yeah. We're totally super. Oh, right. And we're in the part of like. So Supernatural goes through this sort of series of AR season one. They're hunting random little monsters to kind of get together with. We're getting familiar with what they do as the bigger story starts to evolve as all shows happen. But eventually enough seasons go by and everything is the big problem. So eventually going back to the first season style episodes, which will just be one episode here and one episode there, where they're just hunting small things is more exciting than the big story sometimes because you get to see what they were always doing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Except now the world is always ending. And so, like, they can't just go hunt little things.

Cristina: The world is always ending.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: First season started with the world almost ending.

Jack: They didn't know the world was ending.

Cristina: They didn't know that the gates were going to be open or something.

Jack: No, that happened at the end of, like, season four or something.

Cristina: Ah, okay.

Jack: You're talking about. They're just trying to discover the first season. One was just finding their dad. They're like, wait, dad's missing? Where's dad? And then season two was like finding details about their mom and the yellow eyed demon, you know? Oh, no. I was way into it.

Cristina: I'm.

Jack: I'm totally. Anyways, we're in that part. We. The first season. Then there's the middle part, which is a bunch of filler. No, there's a bunch of actual world ending. Everything is world ending.

Cristina: There's no more filler episodes.

Jack: Filler ended. But occasionally in there, we'd have. Which we did. Occasionally. But eventually they're gonna get. They get to a point. Right. We're realistically in the real universe, not in a show's concept. You stop the big problem and you go back to the smaller s***. It's not just immediately another world ending. Like, what the f*** shows need to do that. But on average, you stop a colossal issue, and then you wait a million years, and then some other person has to deal with the next one.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So we're in the real version of that. We're now we're done with the elisions, specifically. As far as we know, it might come up later.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then we have to jump on this road again. But as for now, Castiel and Crowley are doing their own mission. And later they're gonna be like, we got a tip. And we're gonna be like, oh, no, back to it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But until then.

Cristina: Until then, we're ghost hunting.

Jack: We're hunting anything. Why ghost hunting?

Cristina: Supernatural hunting. Ghosts are supernatural.

Jack: Alien supernatural.

Cristina: No, that's sci fi.

Jack: Fair enough. So then why are we doing supernatural hunting?

Cristina: Because you said supernatural. You mentioned supernatural, that's all.

Jack: Oh, I said supernatural.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, I mentioned supernatural, the show. Oh, no, I was comparing the format of the show. Okay, yeah, fair enough. Fair enough. I was comparing just the format of the show to what we were doing. That there's a big issue and then a bunch of tiny little things in between. And then in the real world are probably just gonna solve the big issue or get to a dead end and then go do their job again until they get a tip or something. Because they're not just gonna sit. I mean, sure, they waste probably a bit trying to dig deeper and be like, no, there must be here. But eventually, long enough with no results passes. And they're like, sam, you gotta stop being obsessed. We have to move on and do some other thing and hunt the lady who's killing these people, who is not a big monster, but still killing people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Sam's gotta be like, yeah, you know what? You're right. I can't be obsessed. But then some point of killing the ghost that's killing the people.

Cristina: You get a hint.

Jack: Yeah, it's. Oh, my God. Somehow disconnected. And the revelation happened like, what the. Your life is disconnected to everything. Yeah, of course, that's explained why it's the case or whatever later. But then watch the show you enjoy. Anyways, last week, because of essentially reaching a D, we came to an interesting series of information which connects in idea to what we were talking about, which is essentially the same concept of people running experiments and people trying to get to things. But what we discovered is that there's trackable residue of people trying to get.

Cristina: Into like, the shadow realm.

Jack: Not even just trying to get into the shot. It could be getting into the shadow realm. It could be making stones. Something causes a huge disturbance. Because making a philosopher's stone is essentially to some degree interacting with the shadow realm, then we never thought of it like that. No, but it is what is happening. Right. Because adrenochrome allows people to connect to the shadow realm. Okay, interesting. And a philosopher's stone is just adrenochrome solidified that you do not consume, so it doesn't affect the user, but it's. It's still itself made of adrenochrome. And adrenochrome itself is what connects to the shadow realm. Okay, so, interesting point. A philosopher's stone is in fact a tool to connect to the shadow realm. So it makes sense that disturbances would do so.

Cristina: It has to. It has to. That makes sense.

Jack: It's a fascinating piece of information that I didn't think about before. Anyways, last week we were investigating Sarah Lockwood.

Cristina: Her mysterious house.

Jack: In her mysterious, interesting house that seemed to be the ground zero for some sort of shadow realm investigation or some sort of philosopher's stone creation location. Although in her case, it seems specifically a portal is being built.

Cristina: Yeah, a lot of it doesn't look like she was sacrificing people. There wasn't stories of death.

Jack: No, no, no. But I'm saying that the subjects we're circling relate to because the fact that she's dealing with the shadow realm immediately connects her to the philosopher's stone. Even if she is not interacting with any of it, the philosopher's stone connects to the shadow realm. So we know if we find philosopher's stones or if we find portals, we might find these disturbances that we were talking about last week. Because both of them require so much energy.

Cristina: Yes. What exactly did she do to make a portal?

Jack: Don't know. We just know it was there. It was there and it was very minimalistic.

Cristina: Yes. And it had to do with a lot of math outside of itself.

Jack: Yes. It was a giant alchemic circle.

Cristina: Yeah, like, but I don't know, like, not even alchemic.

Jack: It was a hundred percent A. What do we call it? You know, a little drawn, whatever. I remember the name. Symbol. It's a symbol to channel energy.

Cristina: Okay. What she did with the house.

Jack: With the house. The house itself is the power source. But using no natural world energy. Well, no electrical energy. It's using and harnessing natural world energies, kinetic energy flow, those kinds of things in its design. Fascinating.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: And did it in such an intricate gradual way. And it had to be perfect. She refused to let people it up, put their ideas on the thing. No, you have to do it my way. When they didn't, she just kept it in herself. Yes, it was very important. But we believe this was to bring her family, people she loved and herself. Or at least there's two options here. Right. She either made it to come through, but it doesn't seem to be the case because they seem to be the what? A phantom. Right. We're making the distinction between ghosts and phantoms now. Ghost is purely echo. A phantom is like an echo, but it's an echo of a person present in the shadow realm. That's the distinction we're making, Right.

Cristina: Not repeating itself over and over like an echo.

Jack: It's not repeating itself over and over.

Cristina: Like, when people see her, she's doing random things. She's doing this, probably not doing like the barrel man who's just.

Jack: Yes, the barrel man is probably just the guy from the past. But this is what we have to clarify, right? There was definitely a huge energy disturbance that remains there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that's the house somehow sustaining the disturbance. And the house is literally just in our interpretation of what we know and what the situation is. She built the house so that it makes sense in the shadow realm.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So that when she goes to the shadow realm and exists there, she has a home to live in and is protected from the horrors of the shadow realm.

Cristina: It's both a gateway, but it's also. It disturbs the time by doing that. I don't know why time somehow warps around.

Jack: Well, the trick here is she was at least familiar enough with the workings of the shadow realm to construct the house for herself on this end. That would be practical over there, instead of waiting to get over there and then constructing it over there. So even if the house itself wasn't a portal, she must have been able to come in and out in order to understand how the shadow realm works. So the house was a portal in to order in the construction of the house. So she must have been going in, understanding, coming back. Okay, if I do this, and I do That I go over there, modify like this, I do this, I do that. Which means another detail. This brings us right back to what I was talking about.

Cristina: What?

Jack: There's only one way she was crossing. If she had a portal and she didn't die first.

Cristina: Adrenal prone.

Jack: Right back. We're right back at the start because how is she sure you made the portal, but it's a one way portal. Unless. What? Unless you f****** had.

Cristina: She probably was feeding off her family. But like a vampire type of way with their fear.

Jack: Yes. You think she already died and brought her? That would make way more sense. Maybe she already had died, came back with adrenochrome and find yourself obligated to start preying on her sisters in order to sustain it. But then on this side starts crafting the home. Because now she's familiar with the other side.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So it was a. I'm on damage control. And then it assists her. The intention at least would have been to have her family for generations and generations living in the house so she can continue feeding on them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Luckily it became a tourist attraction.

Cristina: Yeah. Now that's feeding it.

Jack: And it stops her from going crazy that way.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: She built a Santa Claus esque situation that will continue to feed her. So she's the reason her ghost is now her spirit. Her phantom, specifically. Her phantom is the most prominent in the house of the apparitions. There. There's many ghosts that are echoes. There are many spirits that are entities that aren't her. And then there's a phantom that isn't even there but is an echo. Or what keeps her alive is these people. It worked out ultimately, even if it was her family she was trying to prey on. Fascinating.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's so many ways to look at this one scenario. But it would. In order for this house to exist, which we didn't discuss last week. In order for a house to exist, it would have required adrenochrome. Because how does she know?

Cristina: How does she know?

Jack: How does she know how it's turning out? How did she know the parts are making sense? She couldn't. She had the sea.

Cristina: Yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay.

Jack: Or. But it doesn't look like it because it looked like it was very gradual. The narrative is very gradual. If she was a necromancer can just step through and didn't need anything, then the house also doesn't matter.

Cristina: She was having help from things. Things from the other side. Because she did have those hooks.

Jack: Yes, yes. You know, again, it's a weird portal like location.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And she had a guest room. Yeah, that was the portal.

Cristina: Yeah. So like, she could have had some help from the other side as well.

Jack: Yeah, she could have.

Cristina: I mean, she's building a house by herself. That's kind of.

Jack: Additionally one of the most prominent things heard there, which we've. I mean, one of the most prominent things seen at that house is in fact, not seen. It's heard. And it's voices.

Cristina: Voices and footsteps.

Jack: Which when. Yes, which when we put it into reference, we know two other groups of people who are hearing voices. And these were important groups of people. We know the rabbi was hearing a voice from the other side with instructions on how to build and construct something. That's exactly what the rabbi was doing.

Cristina: This with the golem.

Jack: With the golem.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And other than the rabbi, the other person who. The Viking who made the Forest of Death. Oh, and they were also getting spoken to, right? Yeah, they were getting spoken to by these creatures from somewhere. Giving them instructions on how to continue to make this place more profound.

Cristina: Yeah. So she was probably talking to something.

Jack: That was explaining to her what to do, what to do. She did say she was trying to please the spirits.

Cristina: Yes, yes. Oh, yes. Yeah. She was into seances.

Jack: Yeah. She called the room seance room.

Cristina: Okay. Yep. Okay. Okay. Yeah. She had to be talking to them.

Jack: And she built the house. Did she build the house for them or did she build the house for her? Because again, she's the most prominent. On the flip side, maybe she was just clever and duped them.

Cristina: And duped.

Jack: Yeah. They're over here thinking, oh, we got her. Meanwhile, the. According to visitors, the person who dominates is most prominent and in control of that facility is Sarah Lockwood. So whoever the these people who were taught in, at the end of the day, she ended up in charge. So the question is, was she always? And that was her goal. So even if she is getting information from the other side, she's smart enough. And this is why this lady is prominent in the background. And this is why so many other things we didn't know.

Cristina: It's a win win. Like she got a bunch benefits, but so did whatever that was helping her out.

Jack: She gets to stay and not lose her mind. After consuming adrenochrome and crossing over, they get the same benefit. Plus to sustain themselves on this side through the house.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So everybody wants. Fair enough. It's mutual gain.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Nobody lost here. Her family gets to stay sane too. The ones who die and have consumed and can cross over, they get to also live there with her Forever.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And by providing this, those creatures are also. But here's a problem again. It comes down to the fact that she seems the one in charge. Fair enough. She built it. Maybe they give it a respect. You. You fulfilled your duties to us. So we're not going to interfere. We're just going to with the humans on that side.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we're not going to f*** with you. This is your house. We're guests here. You built it. This is. Maybe that's the actual. Again. We know Jin the. Well, not just Jin anything who is thinking on the other side is still just a person. And like we do. We are a******* over here. And like we're species this and a realmist. I guess super realm is. And we're like gin and monsters and creatures. And it's like those are people, man.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Those are just people. There are creatures and monsters. But we got. We got grizzly bears. That's a real just f****** thing over here. I guess we have hippos. That's just real. And we're like oh my God. Wetchudge. You mean like an animal from over there?

Cristina: So pretty scary animal.

Jack: Yeah. Okay. 100. I agree. So was a T. Rex. And that was just some walking around.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, that's just some casual thing. Normal. It was many of it. It wasn't one T. Rex. There were millions of T. Rex. That was just real. If there was one T. Rex. Oh, Godzilla. It's a monster. It's specific. No, it was just casual. So we got to think of it. It. Okay, yeah, it might be super weird, serpentine looking building sized monster. But like if there's a billion over there, like I mean it quote monster. But it's like normal.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It is weird. It does. It is horrifying. And I'm sure it's impressionable our first time over there in the shadow realm. Yeah. Because think of the descriptions of some of these things. Colossal, Godly. Something so huge you cannot see it. It's so big you cannot see it in front of you. You're seeing a tiny little fraction of it. What the f*** does that mean?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: But it's just normal over there. So at some point I'm thinking, right, imagine if you saw something maybe 10 times bigger than the Freedom Tower while standing in front of the Freedom Tower.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But ten times in every direction. So it's not just up, but like collectively. Now how hard would it be to see this thing?

Cristina: Pretty hard.

Jack: Pretty hard. But you could see it and it's Definitely you can recognize something like that being alive. It's harder, but you can recognize something like that being alive as opposed to the Earth that you're standing on and you can't tell details on if you stand far enough. If you're in Jersey City looking at New York City, well, you can see the creature alive doing its normal day routine over there.

Cristina: It would be easier to see.

Jack: Yeah, you're far enough. Yeah, you'd have to be super far in space to see the Earth doing its same routine, but from Earth. So presumably in the shadow realm, we'd have this kind of angular. Okay, makes sense. It's crazy looking, but. Oh yeah, look at the Titans all the way over there and they're Titan City. Funny, it looks like there are slides, but if we were over there, I couldn't see them. Yeah, casual conversations they probably have. Okay, I think you're totally right. It was mutual benefit.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And yeah, I. Maybe again, they're just people. They could just be giving her the benefit of the doubt and the respect. Like you built us a. You didn't have to. We made a deal across realms. And then you paid your part for what most of your people think are douchebags and like monsters. We respect you for respecting us.

Cristina: Sure.

Jack: Easy, right? So, yeah, I think that was fascinating. And that opened an interesting door again. The fact that we have now come to the conclusion that we have, or. Which is with. With proof. Because looking at the disturbances led us to the discoveries. We now know that there are disturbance residue for the creation of philosopher stones and portals. Because they are bending space, time, or at least whatever quote thing unquote is happening. Whatever. We're bending the creator portal to a different realm.

Cristina: Yes, but that place was a hot spot before she got there. It just got worse.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Yes, yes. So there could have been a stone made there. The stone is long gone.

Jack: That's what I believe is the case. Yes. Which was what we talked about last time. Something crazy happened there and then unknown what, but something happened there and then she came to harness the existing potential.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. Okay.

Jack: So using that information that there are in fact signatures, we came to a pretty basic conclusion. We can either find more portals or more stones, even if they're not perfect people trying. It must exist throughout time because we found it. Other people. There must be more clever people who have found it and weren't good at it and f***** up and left left signatures that we can track. And as investigators, that is our job.

Cristina: That's our goal.

Jack: Okay, so let's Dive into what we're doing. I'm gonna show you some images and I just want you to tell me.

Cristina: What you're looking at. Oh, this game again. Okay.

Jack: Very, very basic. So let's unpack. Tell the listener.

Cristina: We'Re looking. We're out in the sky looking down at. I don't know, it's too far to see if those are buildings. I'm assuming there's some building.

Jack: Yeah, there's buildings.

Cristina: There's a road.

Jack: It's a satellite view.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. Because there's like circ. There's little dots, like lines across. Are they saying that's in a circle?

Jack: I don't know. Yeah, they're measuring the distance from one end to the other. The lines themselves matter less. It's sort of just telling you the perimeter that we're kind of looking at, really in the imaginary circle that it's forming. What do you see?

Cristina: I don't really see anything. Some trees, Some buildings.

Jack: Some trees. Some buildings.

Cristina: A lot of desert maybe. It's. It's really brown where the trees are not.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Very brown.

Jack: Very brown. Very dry. Yeah, this is a grassy area. It's dry grass.

Cristina: That's dry grass. Okay. It doesn't. I don't know. I really can't see anything. It's too far.

Jack: Yeah, it's very far. You can see huge trees. Look really tiny. Tiny ginormous buildings. Look very tiny.

Cristina: Yeah, I can't really see the buildings either.

Jack: You don't have to tell the details. You can't see make out what you do. Don't focus on what is hard to make out. There's a main road.

Cristina: There's a road. Yeah, I said that. I don't know.

Jack: There's nothing really. Little side streets sticking out.

Cristina: Some bushes, some trees. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, you got a little road over here. And it looks like perhaps maybe these are facilities looking a bit like a trailer park or something.

Cristina: It looks like rocks to me. I don't know.

Jack: You wouldn't be able to see rocks at this distance.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: You could barely see trees. It would have to be a building.

Cristina: Oh, it doesn't look like anything to me. It looks like boxes over here.

Jack: It looks like. Yeah, boxes are definitely not natural structures. You can assume a box is a building. There's like this box over here is huge.

Cristina: That's a huge box.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, that's a big a** building over here. It looks like there's a combination to the upper right of the image, there's a combination of a bunch of buildings and trees kind of tangled together. Maybe buildings hiding in shade. All right, let's go down to the next one.

Cristina: What are we looking at that's even worse? I think we see a giant hole. Is that a hole? Yes, very square hole. And inside that square hole is another square hole, I think. And it looks like it's right next to the building. Is that a building? I don't know.

Jack: Yes, these are buildings.

Cristina: It's hard to tell. I'm telling you what I see.

Jack: It's an infrared. Well, it's a heat. Yeah, it's. It's like infrared.

Cristina: It looks like they're buildings in a desert with a giant square. Ho.

Jack: You already know it's not a desert based on what you saw before, which. These are all the same place by the way. These are all one place.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So based on what you're looking up here with all the trees and stuff, you know this is not a desert.

Cristina: What would you describe it as?

Jack: I don't know. What do you see? What, what pattern makes sense here? Where would you see this kind of structure on Earth? Look, that Earth.

Cristina: I don't know what you mean.

Jack: Like what is the only places on Earth that look with little sections and divisions in the grass and then have a center hub with a bunch of tinier facilities at a distance? Usually in grassy savannah ish lands the country?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I mean obviously it has to be in the countryside, but anyways, what else do you see in this sort of night vision photo?

Cristina: Buildings. I'm just really curious about the hole.

Jack: Yeah, they know about the hole. Already told them.

Cristina: I know. That's all I really see. That's interesting. There's. I think there's a line there. Is that a path?

Jack: You mean a street?

Cristina: A street, yeah.

Jack: That's presumably this very same giant street. The one and only. Super strange.

Cristina: Where's that hole in that photo?

Jack: Tis the problem. Now you're starting to see the details that matter. Now you're looking. Keep looking. Now you're looking. Before you were pretending you were engaged. Now you're here. Exactly. Keep going. What else? Those are the details that matter also. Up close you can tell more of what we're looking at if you really look at the buildings, which I know you're not doing, but really look at the buildings and you know exactly where we are. Not exactly where it is, but what it is.

Cristina: I kind of don't know.

Jack: There's that little round building right there will tell you everything you need to know. Because that only exists in one Place like a farm. Yes, it's a farm. And the fact that there is a clearly obvious from top down, you could even tell the rounded top is a barn directly in front of the storage for the hay for the barn.

Cristina: First one, again, we can tell that in the first one that this is a farm.

Jack: Yeah. This is the divided land for a ranch.

Cristina: This is a ranch. This is a ranch.

Jack: All these facilities are on top of a ranch. You can see what we're looking at over there. Over here.

Cristina: Okay. Okay. Mm.

Jack: This is a farther away shot of the same location.

Cristina: It is.

Jack: Mm. This is way farther than the first one. The order of range would be this one, the first one, and then the second one.

Cristina: Where is any of this in this photo?

Jack: Right down here.

Cristina: Right down there.

Jack: Okay, go ahead and explain what you're seeing in this one to everybody.

Cristina: It looks like. Are we looking at mountains? I'm not sure. I'm not sure where I'm looking at.

Jack: This up here is the bottom of the other one you were looking at where you see the dryness over here.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. It looks very deserty, especially in that photo. It looks very deserty.

Jack: Mm.

Cristina: Are they on mountains or no mountains at all.

Jack: Just talk about what you're seeing. I'll give you information later. Just talk about what you're saying. No questions.

Cristina: I don't know what I'm looking at.

Jack: You don't need to know what you're looking at. Describe what you're seeing regardless of whether you.

Cristina: Squiggly roads. Two squiggly roads. And there's a circle on the bottom. I don't know if that's anything or that's nothing. I don't know. There's another circle up there that looks like a lake maybe.

Jack: All right, I'm gonna go my turn now describing what I'm saying.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We have a main road. Out of the main road, there are many smaller roads sticking out. It seems that every smaller road has at least some kind of little square box. This is the first image at mid range. We can see the little boxes in many different locations. We don't necessarily know what any of the boxes are initially. Upon looking at them. There seem to be two stacked next to each other. Little trailer park areas and like cul de sac formations. With the dirt roads, we got actual roads forming, leading to farmhouses and little property territories. We have faraway facilities presumably to put chickens and things of that nature. Assuming that we are looking at animal contained facilities on the photo, we were looking at the mid range one to the Bottom of the fold of the photo, which is the top of the other one is completely dry. Mountainy area that has very light dry grass is currently being built up to be used to have other animals on it. If we go farther away to the farthest image where the bottom is now the top, we'll keep referring to it in the way whether the dry side is at the bottom. Towards the top right of that image, we have a giant circular formation. Man made.

Cristina: Oh, that's a real hole. I thought that was like some weird. I don't know, I didn't think that was real. That was real. That is real.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there are two major roads going through here. There is the road that follows the entire division of the farm's grassland and the farm's mountainy dry land on the bottom of the image. And then at the top of the image, following the circle and the mountain range opposite to that, we have a sort of winding mountaintop road. This is the actual mountain on this side, not this side. You can tell based on the road having to kind of curve around. They couldn't just cut through.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This is not mountain.

Cristina: Although the road is doing about the same.

Jack: No, the road is moving the way you could drive full speed through here.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Here you'd have to slow down because you would fall off. No, it's just wrapping around the edge as fine as it could.

Cristina: Okay, okay. Little thing there. That's a river. What is that? Is that water or. No.

Jack: Where? That's a facility.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Okay. And in the closest zoom of the image we have, we're focusing on the part towards the division of the dry directly landing us closest to the farmland. We have a hole almost identical to the circular hole, much smaller but square. Instead the structure is the same. It's a smaller hole inside of a smaller hole with the same shape that the other one has. For whatever reason.

Cristina: In circle has a circle inside.

Jack: It's infinitely built in such a way that it seems to kind of collapse. And so the effect you're looking at here is it's more narrow, but it's still a square. It's not really a hole inside of a hole as much as a hole continuously getting smaller, like a funnel.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so we're seeing where the light ends down there where we can't see farther.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's what looks like another hole in there. It's really just. We can't see light beyond that point.

Cristina: I see.

Jack: These are two ridiculously deep holes.

Cristina: Okay, okay. Weird. Is that important to farming? I don't know.

Jack: How do you know? What about what I just told you is important. Wait, you said important to farming.

Cristina: Yeah, because he said it was a picture of farm.

Jack: Yeah. I have no idea if I can assure you those holes have nothing to do with farming. I wouldn't even know what you could do with that for farming. Those holes are quite a mystery.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: So what I've just shown you is called Skinwalker Ranch. Skinwalker Ranch is located in Utah and Skinwalker Ranch is considered to be one of the most haunted places in the entire planet. It has attracted several huge companies that have gone to investigate what the h*** is going on.

Cristina: Supernatural activities, all kinds of activities.

Jack: Unless we're referring to alien activity as supernatural.

Cristina: Let's do that. Yes, let's do it.

Jack: Yeah. Because I'm trying to be specific and when I said alien you were like. No, like. Okay then.

Cristina: Okay. Yes, yes, yes.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: It's better to just.

Jack: Because if anything we should say paranormal.

Cristina: Paranormal.

Jack: Because supernatural is different. Paranormal is not average to us.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's outside of our normal. Yes, but supernatural means it's outside of nature. Our nature. And it's not outside of our nature. It's just within space. If it includes aliens. And in the case of these echoes, they look to be a space time effect. All of this is science fiction, or not even science fiction, science reality, I suppose. But using the terms from science fiction, essentially. So yes, it's a hotspot for paranormal activity and it's attracted many, many big companies. And the weirdest part is nobody can answer any of the questions they come to investigate. It's legit problem.

Cristina: Okay. And it's just a hotspot for random things.

Jack: Bunch of stuff which we will get into before you start asking about what about this thing. So we will talk about what?

Cristina: I have to just start with the name. But unless you want to talk about that later.

Jack: Skinwalker Ranch.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Has nothing to do with skinwalkers, if that's what you're interested in.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Unrelated. Some stories at some point people mentioned. See, this is a good that we start there because you'd fixate and it's irrelevant. Okay, I know that. Oh, but what about the. There's no Skinwalkers. It's just a paranormal name.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: A very common paranormal name because people fear skinwalkers. Although nobody could tell you what they think a skinwalker even is.

Cristina: Okay. So you're not gonna have any stories.

Jack: There are no skinwalkers.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There's not gonna be no skinwalkers. Oh, that's not okay, yeah. In fact, anybody who is discussed skinwalkers is usually confusing some other obvious debunkable thing. We were gonna do an episode of Skinwalkers a while ago until we realized most of it are simply creatures that have the ability to do humanoid type of things, like bald monkeys and s*** like that.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: And so I was like, this is dumb. And so like all of it was kind of aiming in that direction. So I scrapped that episode years ago. But yeah, skinwalkers aren't even a thing. It's just people who really, really, really, really, really want to believe in something paranormal and have nothing to grasp, prove skinwalkers exist because it's just creatures that people are Ms. Labeling.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So, yeah, it's not that I'm sure skinwalkers have come through here, but that's not paranormal. It's been like, yeah, I'm sure there's a weird dog that's oddly shaped and makes weird noises and ate somebody's creatures. They're like, oh, it's a chupacabra. A chupacabra is a skinwalker, by the way.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It's just all that kind of. I'm like, okay, yeah, whatever.

Cristina: But that's not important.

Jack: That's not important.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The Chupacabra is the English skinwalker. I mean, it's a Mexican skinwalker, I suppose, but yeah, Skinwalker ranch. You could, for lack of a better word, Chupacabra ranch.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's not even that there's chupacabra. It's just like. Well, when there's something weird in Mexico, you say the Chupacabra did it. And then if you find out it wasn't a Chupacabra, well, whatever. But we don't know what it was, so f*** it. The Chupacabra did it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Right. Skinwalker ranch, heavily paranormal. So things to note about this place. The results of the investigations that have taken place here are kept secret for the most part.

Cristina: Lame.

Jack: Yes, by all the companies that take apart. How many facilities have been built on the property is not clearly known. This is why it's important that we saw many facilities underneath some patches of trees and that random satellite images of this place show craters the size of the whole farm at random and then don't. At random. In random locations, inconsistent. For years you'll not see anything. And sometimes you'll just go on Google Maps and there's no farm. There's just a f****** hole there. We over and over it happens. Many reports of people. Oh yeah, I was looking for that and it's not. The Google must be blocking the thing. And somebody will go and like, no, what the f***? Some people have claimed to have gone by the farm and not have seen the farm.

Cristina: Is this like that Amazon show where the farm has is just a time. A time thing happening?

Jack: I bet that show is literally based on. On this Skinwalker Ranch.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: For one reason. The f****** hole.

Cristina: Oh yes. Oh yes, for sure. Okay.

Jack: It's a hole in a ranch that disappears.

Cristina: That disappears. And random things disappear too.

Jack: Yes. And it creates a weird space time anomaly.

Cristina: Yes. Where you'll see a mountain and then it's not there because it was there. But at a different time.

Jack: Yes, exact.

Cristina: So that's pretty much what's happening here. Like even Google can't be sure. You can't even be sure by looking at.

Jack: You can't be sure by looking at anything.

Cristina: Trying to hide anything.

Jack: They're not trying to hide anything.

Cristina: Time is messing with it.

Jack: Now let's go back a point. It's unclear how many buildings are there now. Some buildings are obviously obscured by location with trees and stuff. Now tell me, why don't we know how many buildings are there if we can just drive by?

Cristina: Because they might have been there at a different time. And you might see them now, but they actually exist in the future. Or they might have existed in the past.

Jack: Every single photo I showed you was focused over exactly the same point. Where were all the buildings? Every time I showed it to you, they were exactly the same image. And every one of those image was taken the same f****** day.

Cristina: The same day.

Jack: Every image was taken the same f****** day at different times. These are different satellite images from different places taking different images. Every single image had different buildings. Every single image had different holes. One of the images had no holes. This was all done the same day. They were doing different kind of lenses, they were doing different kind of shots, different distances and seeing different things every time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Skinwalker Ranch.

Cristina: Nice.

Jack: If anything has ever reminded me more of Clinton Road, it is Skinwalker Ranch. It doesn't matter what you're doing or how you're approaching it. It's weird and you can't explain it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No matter what you do, what angle you come from, what thought you applied.

Cristina: To more images or is this also. You were the best.

Jack: Every image you look at is different and it's they all. Because the point is I'm proving how f****** weird that is.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Yeah. Everybody puts it directly over the main farmhouse. Every version I showed you was directly over the main farmhouse. You Saw the main farmhouse in the center on every shot. And I could point it to you, but was the hole there and where the other buildings around there? Two of the images had the tall tower in front of it, one of them didn't. Those is the same f****** day.

Cristina: Yeah. So one of it had a hole right next to the fire, and the.

Jack: Other one had the hole way far away.

Cristina: That was a different hole, though.

Jack: That was a different hole. But that hole doesn't exist. Yeah, that hole doesn't exist in any other shot.

Cristina: Okay, the round hole.

Jack: The round hole, yeah. At least not in that spot. Yeah, the hole has been in other spots. So has the square one.

Cristina: Okay, that's complicated. But what? But those were people. People made those holes. They had to.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: I don't know. I mean, not recently or maybe recently.

Jack: Maybe in the future. Who knows?

Cristina: In the future? Yeah.

Jack: I don't know. I have no idea. It is very weird.

Cristina: That is weird, that. Yes. Okay. Wow.

Jack: Really, really weird. Okay. There have been a couple of companies, like I said, who've worked on this site, and they've worked on the site for different periods of time, Right? So we have the National Institute of Discovery Science and IDS, and they were active from 1995 to 2004. And this company was funded by Robert Bigelow to investigate paranormal phenomenon. And a bunch of, you know, experiments and crap were conducted for the unexplained events here. Then another company comes in called Bigelow Aerospace. Advanced Space Studies. And they were active from 2008 to 2013.

Cristina: So he had one and then he abandoned them and made a new one.

Jack: A subsidiary of Bigelow Aerospace focused on aerospace and UAP research.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And here the activities included working with the Department of Defense. Fence contracted to study UAPs and then explain phenomenon. That's ranch. So he came, he retires his company from it, and then he shows up again with a different company that's tied to the government. Why is the government looking at this?

Cristina: First he was interested in the weird sciencey stuff about it, but then he's like aliens.

Jack: Keep in mind, nothing he studies gets revealed to the public.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So he went to study, says nothing, leaves, come backs with the government, comes back with the government. Seems like he found something.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Enough for the government to be interested.

Cristina: Yes, for defense. Interesting.

Jack: Now again, they end in 2013.

Cristina: There's a third one.

Jack: The current research team under a man named Brandon fugal, began in 2016, and still studies there to the present, led by the new owner, Brandon Fugal. Consisting of scientists and researchers and they're basically continuing the research done on Skinwalker Ranch. The Bigelow had begun. So these are the three primary most influential. There's been other kind of insignificant groups coming and going. Nobody who seems important.

Cristina: But there's nothing on this guy though. He's just continuing what Bigelow was doing.

Jack: Yeah, he was basically coming in to also study the absurd amount of paranormal s*** that has been going on.

Cristina: And UFOs.

Jack: And UFOs isn't by saying paranormal. I was covering UFOs.

Cristina: I don't know. Yes, yes it is.

Jack: Okay, but this brings up an interesting point. Okay, what did you find? Bro came back with the government.

Cristina: What did he find? I don't know. Do people guess what they found?

Jack: Bigelow. The statement they had for being there in the first place was to investigate and study unexplained aero phenomenon and other paranormal activities to understand potential threats and scientific anomalies. Reported findings only the things that were allowed to put on paper that made or not allowed that they did put on paper that were allowed to be seen by the public were in small bullet points in order to justify their continued work on the property. Okay, so numerous UFO sightings and unexplained lights in the sky. Poltergeist like activities including objects moving on their own, strange animal mutilations with no clear cause. Cryptid sightings such as large and identified creatures collected extensive data but did not reach definitive conclusions on any of the previously mentioned. Which is a lie because he came back with the government.

Cristina: Yeah, for defense. So yeah, they had to have known what this was to come up with a plan to stop whatever it is.

Jack: Right, so he comes back with the government in 2008 and he stays there until 2013 instead of indefinitely. Interesting. So you got what you came for, did he?

Cristina: Because then isn't the third thing exactly the same?

Jack: They're not there for what he clearly found. Oh, they have no idea what he found. They're there thinking they're doing what his official message is. Oh, his official statement. They're there to continue that. Okay, the new guy is just a guy. Now let's take a quick look at what happens after he leaves. After shifting focus from Skinwalker Ranch, Robert Bigelow's company Bigelow Aerospace directed its attention specifically to developing an expendable space habitat. Designed and launched expandable modules like the Bigelow Expandable Activity Module which is currently attached to the International Space Station. Aimed at providing cost effective, flexible and larger living and working spaces for Astronauts. Commercial space stations. Which includes plans to create standalone space habitats for use by governmental and private entities in low earth orbit. And research and development focused on advancing technologies for long duration space missions and habitats that could support human life in space. He went to the ranch. He stayed at the ranch until he thought he had something. He removed his private company from the ranch, leaves, pops up with a different company, unrelated. Oh, this is government work. They seal off the property so that they can privately do their research there. And then they leave. And instantaneously we start developing extremely advanced space flight technology and we have the research survive in space.

Cristina: Okay, all right. That sounds really complicated. I wonder what he found.

Jack: I wonder what he found. Let's unpack some of this. We know a mass amount of energy must have existed there and was used for one of the two things that's causing this. It was either a stone or a portal. Something was done. Now, the amount of energy displayed here and what he's using it for tells us something very interesting. We have a ground zero that's very similar to this place. And it's Egypt and it's the pyramids. Extremely exaggerated concentrations of energy. Here's a very important thing I have to tell you. There was a giant square in the floor. If the square is a funnel, what is a square funnel? Upside down.

Cristina: A square funnel upside down.

Jack: Yeah. What's a square funnel? Upside down? Visualize it square flip the funnel.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And make it smaller like a funnel. So the base is at the bottom and it's square and it's gonna funnel up.

Cristina: What isn't a pyramid.

Jack: It's a pyramid.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There's a giant hole of something missing. That is a square funnel. That is an upside down pyramid. We know that the pyramid itself is only the top half of the structure because the bottom half is underneath the ground. And you would call that an upside down what?

Cristina: Pyramid. Yeah.

Jack: Okay, so the real structure is in a pyramid. It's a what funnel? It's a diamond.

Cristina: Diamond. Oh, okay. Yes. Together. Yes. Okay.

Jack: Yes. The real structure is actually a diamond. And that's the object that we know has created the most energy as far as humans have generated. The ability to just blink across the universe generated in that very structure. And that would create a huge space time problem.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If not controlled. There is a pyramid shaped funnel that is missing and is jumping around.

Cristina: It's jumping around the hole.

Jack: Move.

Cristina: Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Jack: If you were to try to make a device to teleport and the device went wrong, the device itself might disappear. But you're still failing to contain the energy the same way you would if you had no idea what you were doing. And then you create a spacetime disturbance. We have the hole where the device would have been and the space time disturbance moving it around.

Cristina: Do you think the circle hole is the same though?

Jack: I think the circle hole has to be something similar. That's what we were trying. If. If our conclusion makes logical sense.

Cristina: With the square.

Jack: With the square, then we would have to try to understand how that would apply. Because that hole is way bigger.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like 20 times larger than the farm itself.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's huge. It pops in and out. It swallows the whole branch sometimes.

Cristina: And the question is whether this is coming from a stone or a.

Jack: Or something that generated. My argument right now it's that it's neither a stone nor a portal. It's a teleportation device. It's this massive amount of energy that these people are working with that's causing the problem.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So although the stone and the portal aren't space time related, they are realm related. They must use enough energy from this side and that side to still create a problem.

Cristina: But they got that from the adrenal.

Jack: Wait. What are you talking about?

Cristina: Teleporting ability.

Jack: I don't know where they would have gotten the information. I have no idea who they studied. We don't know that. But we know that there is a funnel missing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the funnel moves around. So the funnel itself must be part of the energy. That's the only conclusion we have. The energy was coursing through that hole itself.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So the hole itself moves because that is the center of the disturbance. You get my point?

Cristina: See?

Jack: See, that's the logic I'm following. And I couldn't fit anything else into that hole other than a pyramid. Like that would be what's upside down there. And the only thing we know that generates that and has that shape and happens to be a pyramid isn't actually a pyramid. It's a diamond. And that would be the bottom half of it. We would have a pyramid on top. So somebody would build a teleporter there long ago. That was my theory. What do you think?

Cristina: Teleporter? I don't know. It does feel like it's somehow shadow realm related still.

Jack: It does. Right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So let's dive a little deeper then. He definitely found something. Bigelow found something and he started using it. There was a way to control energy or a way to innovate technology or something. You found something and then you Left with it. Maybe it's still there, but the information you left with it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now, the question is, what was this land to begin with? What happened here? What are you here finding out about? We got to go quite back to.

Cristina: The 1600s now, where cowboys roamed around.

Jack: I don't know. That's 1800s.

Cristina: 1800S. Okay.

Jack: So 1600s, we go, and we just have a bunch of indigenous people living on the lands. And the indigenous people already consider this land sacred, but they essentially say that about all the lands, so that's not a fair statement. Every land is your sacred land. Shut up, homie. Now, Skinwalker ranch was where a tribe called the UTE tribe existed, and they were always at war with the Navajo. So, yeah, there was, you know, but it wasn't like crazy war. It was, like, normal war territory and s*** like that. Okay, but that's not even the point here. Right. So the UTI tribe lived there in the Unta basin for centuries, which is what it was called originally. And they used the land for hunting, gathering, and seasonal migrations to stay alive. And they considered parts of the region spiritual, particularly sacred, including the area where the ranch was on.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The Navajo tribe also believed that land to be sacred, but because their ancestors came from that very spot. So it's more of a historical importance to them than it is sacred importance. And that's kind of where the conflict over that kind of land began.

Cristina: Okay. Sacred for both of them for different reasons.

Jack: Yeah. So basically, it comes down to a fight that is perpetual and infinite between cultural and spiritual. That's what it is. And it's like, you know, it's hard because this is where we come from, and this is what you guys worship. So it's like it's Israel versus Palestine. You know, we believe this, and we believe that. So definitely interesting. There are some details on, like, interesting paranormal things that happened based on their stories, but it's more of things that they would describe happen everywhere around them, not just this land with shape shifters and werewolves and just normal things. We've come across looking at native Americans, realm creatures, normal shadow realm creatures, but they exist not just on this property.

Cristina: Everywhere, Everywhere. Okay.

Jack: Now, where this takes an interesting change and why it matters specifically to, say, the 1600s is because the 1600s is where we see people started arriving who aren't from there. White people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Why? People start rolling up, and this is where it's gonna get really, really, really, really important.

Cristina: What do the white people do?

Jack: Okay, so several settlers arrive on the lands around 1600s and promise prosperity to the indigenous people.

Cristina: Of course. Of course.

Jack: Classic story. The indigenous people wrongfully trust the settlers.

Cristina: Oh, no. Oh, no.

Jack: What's gonna happen?

Cristina: What's gonna happen?

Jack: Way more surprising than you think. The settlers eventually begin to round up the indigenous people into camps. The camps were referred to as murder prisons by the Ute people.

Cristina: Oh, that's.

Jack: It's starting to build. It's starting to. Yep. It was unknown to the people of the land what the reason for the European massacre was. The primary detailed shared through generations. Seems that it was religiously motivated, primarily Christianity.

Cristina: Just to drink their blood.

Jack: A large focus on acquiring the flesh and the blood of Christ.

Cristina: Okay. Yep.

Jack: The UTA people mentioned the obsession the Europeans had with the blood diamonds, what they likely thought were rubies.

Cristina: Oh, okay, okay.

Jack: I don't think those are rubies.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Just saying.

Cristina: Obsessed with making stones.

Jack: Obsessed with making any stones and also drinking blood. Because it's the same thing. And Jesus isn't the one who pushes that narrative. No, Jesus is not the one we know who does. This is. They specifically say the Christian white man.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's a whole group of people coming from one group of people who's never stopped doing what they were doing. Now, this is the story I chose because of one important detail.

Cristina: The bloodstone wasn't the important detail.

Jack: The bloodstone wasn't the important detail. Because there are two pieces of information that I need to add as sauce here.

Cristina: What's the sauce?

Jack: The narrative passed by the UTA people was that the white Christian showed up from Europe to colonize and they were rounding people up and they were obsessed with the gems in the ground, the blood diamonds. They've never seen the blood diamonds. They were told that the blood diamonds are here, and we need to round you up in order to get them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: One thing that's within the conversations with a few of them civil enough to engage and try to elaborate where they were from and try to bridge communication, even if they're being enslaved and murdered casually. That then made it through history is the following. The Europeans that arrived were specifically from western and northern Europe, many from the United Kingdom, Scotland and Ireland, many from Poland, Sweden, and Norway.

Cristina: They were doing weird things. I remember.

Jack: Oh, man. It's crazy how little you remember and how everybody's on the other side probably screaming, oh, my God.

Cristina: How do you know there's so much information.

Jack: There's only two reasons to remember how Ireland and Norway tie together.

Cristina: Sea people. Not sea people. They're. They're. They're whatever those things are called.

Jack: Yes. So when the mass migration happened during the time of Christ. As they try to flee, three lines go. One hits the Atlantic Ocean, one lands in Gaza, and one goes up to Norway, probably to this specific part of Norway where the Nephilim are.

Cristina: The Nephilim, that's what.

Jack: That's a Norway. Also. The entire troop they've already established, experimenting and testing in the Isle of Man are based on the local. Nearby island and Ireland. This is all Alician people.

Cristina: The white people that are.

Jack: They showed up.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This is the Elysians rolling in. Or sending people. Humans. Sending humans who are still aligned with them to experiment. Not to experiment. They know what they're getting. It's very, very obvious. It's not an experiment. There's no science being done. They know what they're there for.

Cristina: The stones.

Jack: The stones. Go make stones. The people roll up. They immediately start gathering the people and talking about, we need to acquire these rubies. And somehow the only way to do that is through God. And in order to do that, we need the blood and the flesh of Christ.

Cristina: My dude, they're trying to prepare to fight Jesus with all these stones. Question mark. I don't know. That's a lot of stones.

Jack: It's a lot of stones. This was long ago. This was 1600s, man. It's weird.

Cristina: Those stones. Be.

Jack: I don't think the stones could have been too huge, but we're talking a long time ago, too.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It gets. It's f****** weird, right? Like, what's happening in this place? Well, it gets a little odder because now we're actually in cowboy Times.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In 1850s, the United States government showed interest in the territory, sending out a military troop to occupy the region and remove any and all inhabitants. Following this incident, the land has actually been owned by descendants of European bloodlines since it was acquired and placed under people who are directly tied to the first group of individuals who cleaned it out.

Cristina: The sea people or whoever.

Jack: Whoever showed up. Which presumably is not the sea people, but people who are croonies.

Cristina: Cronies. Yeah.

Jack: Related, because we would be like. Well, in the 1600s, some God, like Adonis is rolled in, and it's like, we don't have that story. No, we just got white people rolled in. European white people. And it's like. But where they came from is like, we know they're there. You came specifically from those two places? Are you kidding? Sometimes lines just line up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So I don't think we have to. We don't have to reach to get anywhere here. This makes kind of a Lot of sense. And whatever stuff was left there, abandoned, was acquired by Piccolo.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There was a massacre. Many stones were made. Probably some stones were left behind, but the energy displacement continues. That explains all the paranormal s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now the United States government confiscates and tries to find him. Cannot. A guy whose expertise is finding hard to find things gets hired by the United States government. He goes in with his private company. He then starts looking. He says, I actually believe if you guys give me the proper resources, we can get this done. Yes, I believe it's possible.

Cristina: You think the teleportation, though technology has something to do with the stones?

Jack: I think the roundup was all of the above. I think there was. They knew how to build a teleporter. They knew how to build a teleporter. The funnel, the square funnel has shown up for dozens of years. That's old. So. Yes, that's been there. It's possible that knowing how to build a teleporter because they can't access their old one, in the 1600s, you know, they abandoned Egypt and they're closer to the United States. They can just roll in. Okay, so you have the ability to make stones, the ability to make teleporters, the ability to make gates. You find land that already has weird fears attached to it. Easy to control a lot of people, fighting a lot of death over here.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Easy to kind of start there. Same thing that happened with the lady. You find a spot that has potential because you need the feedback loop, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You can't do it if there is no fear. You need the fear to get something to engage. Cause more fear, get more of them, get more help progressively doing the thing. Without the feedback loop, you're alone.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: So they come to where the war is going on already, where people die already. They think it's sacred. They think it's haunted, think it's cursed. Too much death, too much this, too much that. Then get the people we have, the people who are scared. The land where the fear happens in one shot.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We can use our friends from the other side. We can use the people from this side. Get the portal, get the stones and get the teleporter all running in one place.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: I think the hole that is a circle, was the stone being made. It's the biggest. Would require the most energy because the stone alone could fling you across space.

Cristina: The stone alone, the stone has more.

Jack: Energy than any teleporter could ever imagine. Okay, well, I think that's the round hole.

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: I Think that's the crater where it happened. And I think the teleporter is why we don't find out what's happening there. Because one team dipped and joined their other homies who also dipped.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And I guess maybe that's been throughout the years, throughout the centuries. Little pockets of people. Oh no. You know, it'd be probably become normal to dodge current day domination of Earth. So you know, we say underwater, they stay over there in space. These guys are underground. And we've grown up seeing what. Oh my God, weird things in sky come out of the water and when we see lights and stuff under the water and oh man, there's more people because we've seen things and like there's creatures underground. It's like, bro, you're just seeing all the people who are watching us.

Cristina: Yeah. There's nothing too weird happening.

Jack: And we just catch them. They're still communities within each other, even if they're private from us, probably with each other. So. Oh yeah, we need a teleporter to get to Bob. You know, teleport over here broke up. We need to build a new one to get them. He's over there in The Dyson sphere. XY 1010. And the energy. We need some. Send some guys over there.

Cristina: Yes. With that technology of transportation, they made better technology to survive in space consistently. Yes.

Jack: Thus making it even easier. So everything has always been to get more and improve and get more and improve.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The question is, is Bigelow tied to the Alicians? I don't think so. I think those are two different instances. I think Bigelow and the United States government are what we usually find, which are people using any desperate means and they kind of, kind of know it was there. Kind of sort of understand. And the United States government rolled in in the 1800s trying to get it too.

Cristina: Yes, but they wanted people who were, it seems like they were working with them though.

Jack: The Europeans rolled in.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's very different than the United States government in the 1850s rolling in. Oh, those are two different groups. I don't even know what happened to the Europeans.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I didn't say anything about that.

Cristina: Well, I thought you said the government then wanted people who were part of that group to stay there.

Jack: No, the, the government has had people that are of European descent in control of the property since the 1850s.

Cristina: Okay. But that's unrelated.

Jack: Yeah, well, they're descendants of the original group of people who were there. Yes. Now the question is, is the original group of people there connected to the Original group of people there? Or does it just so happen to be that it was safer to leave in control of these people?

Cristina: Huh? I don't know.

Jack: And is the 1850s United States government the same as the modern day government that was interested with Bigelow? Because we know there are many government figures who have adrenochrome and islands farming adrenochrome and doing this and doing that. But that's not Alicians technology, because they wouldn't with adrenochrome.

Cristina: Except for these. Whoever these people are that are somewhat. They're not them, but they're related because they came to make stones.

Jack: They came to make stones, but they weren't drinking blood or anything.

Cristina: They might have been drinking blood because there was blood drinking involved. Enough.

Jack: They never said blood drinking. I looked for that specifically. They said they needed to get the flesh of Christ and the blood of Christ and that in doing so they could acquire the rubies.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think they had no idea what rubies. What the. I think the settler quote settlers, unquote, weren't actually told the name of the philosopher's own, because probably it was global at that point.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So that they couldn't accidentally translate it into their native language and be like.

Cristina: Getting the blood of Christ is not drinking the blood of Christ.

Jack: No. In the case of working with the Elysians, getting the blood of Christ is them trying to get enough to make a stone.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that's why rounding them up was part of it. Because back then, I don't think. Unless you were trying to build a farm. And if they were just trying. I mean, it is a ranch.

Cristina: It is a ranch. And you say that there was like animal, like things were happening to the animals too. Someone was drinking blood in there eventually.

Jack: Well, keep in mind that the spot was chosen.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because of. All spots seem to be chosen because of already having events making it easier than trying to get it.

Cristina: So whatever, like shadow realm creatures that popped up probably really not. Did not relate to them at all.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. It could be. That's the problem. It could be totally unrelated. Yes. These 1600s people could be the 1850s people and it could be the 2013 people. But if not, then the 1600s people were advantageous people who knew we could use this to do the things for our. For our leaders.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then the 1850s people just happen to have enough knowledge to know this is important to keep in our possession.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then that actually gets executed on in the 2013s and on when they already Finished doing their research and can finally start implementing. But then that's still like a 200 year project of digging information and trying to find things out and then bringing in an expert because you wasted 200 years and you're like, can you figure it out? And he's like, yeah, yeah, makes sense. I don't think we nailed down which specifically thing it was, but I think we know who.

Cristina: Yes, I think we know who and.

Jack: I think it's possible because of the different visuals that it was all of the above. The storylines went being all of the above and the visuals line went up being all of the above. The only thing we can't really nail down is the circle. We have never seen the impact zone. It's usually buried under a f*** ton.

Cristina: Of something and they probably happened so long ago that it wouldn't stop. Be there still.

Jack: Exactly.

Cristina: Are there other random holes like that?

Jack: If we removed the ground zero of the Twin Towers, we'd have a huge crater. The question is, if we remove that and look at what the crater looks.

Cristina: Like, is it perfect?

Jack: Is it a perfect circle underneath that? You know, that's the question. We need to find another colossal sized perfect circle. I can tell you what the square funnel looks like and using logic, what it could have been.

Cristina: Mm. Put the circle.

Jack: I can tell you, based on the stories and what they shared and passed down through time about their trauma and horrors, what they were trying to do because, oh, we're trying to get this blood and we're trying to get that flesh and we're trying to make some, you know, we're trying to get the stones through doing that. The sentence doesn't make sense. You're trying to get some rubies with some blood, bro.

Cristina: Yeah, that's very crazy.

Jack: Yeah, it's very clear what's happening there. I don't know what's up.

Cristina: It's a perfect circle.

Jack: Perfect circle.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Only theory was if you're doing all the things you're always doing, that's where you made the stone. You were rounding them up. You were.

Cristina: I think so. But we gotta find proof.

Jack: I gotta find another hole.

Cristina: It has to be possible. I think it's possible. There's too many of these type of stories for there not to be another hole.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. Now we know how to track them down. All I did was look for a really haunted area.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They happen to have the requirements. You dig deeper. And then as soon as we got. These people came from Norway and these people came from Ireland. I'm like, Yep.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yup, exactly. You could have come from anywhere, bro. Come on.

Cristina: All right, all right.

Jack: Random other place, random other thing. All I did was look for huge energy disturbances, a lot of paranormal activity. And then what did we find out? Oh, science took place here.

Cristina: Science. Oh, very scary science.

Jack: Very scary science. But he just goes to show what's happening in the past is all scientific. There is no magic. We began this journey like five years ago investigating the. Originally the. The claims of reptilian magic. Oh, they got magic. And I was like no. The conclusion to that was like no. All this looks like tech.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That perspective has changed everything. And it opened so many doors for us to really be able to look at some of this stuff to the point that it led us to actual fact discussions that have been had about this stuff. 100 years ago, peer reviewed material about this. Get the out of here. It's crazy. Anyways, that's basically what we have on the skinwalker ranch. It does look like some sort of former experimental facility. And there is a lot of weird activity that goes on there.

Cristina: I'm still going on there and to.

Jack: This day, still going on there.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: There are claims by other people that aren't official claims of things that have happened in this location.

Cristina: Location.

Jack: UFO sightings, animal mutilation, poltergeist activity, Cryptics, environmental anomalies, Electrical magnetic energy, cold. All the things you. Lights, discs, circles on the ground, missing things, things showing up that don't belong there. Seeing fires at a distance, seeing fires in the sky. Wolf like creatures, humanoid like creatures. Furniture rearranging itself. Doors opening itself and closing itself. Sometimes directly in front of witnesses. Animals completely lacking blood. Animals with no marks at all, completely drained of blood. Animals dead with no marks, completely filled with blood. Just normal animals who have nothing, just dead, surgical like incisions done on animals. Organs missing from animals. Ambrosia.

Cristina: Ambrosia.

Jack: Lights, flying objects or no human deaths.

Cristina: Or do they keep that secret?

Jack: Unknown.

Cristina: Right. That's something that's kept secret.

Jack: That's something that's kept secret on the wraps.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Right? Because you know there has to be. Yeah, there has to be.

Jack: But with purpose. I'm sure. But anyways, this went way longer than I thought. But there's a lot. And I didn't want like bad pieces of this or another episode because I know we're gonna start the next episode at least thinking about. Because we're gonna think about this and just talk about it. Yeah, like I want to do a whole episode about it. But anyway, so yeah, that's what we got, guys. You guys want to go look at some of this information? Skinwalker Ranch is an absurdly crazy thing. And I think the outer range might be based on this or something similar to this.

Cristina: It has to be.

Jack: Especially because that f****** big a** hole that moves around, dude, it's so colossal. It's been seen on both of the main road, but you can only tell when you're directly standing in front of it or when you're doing an aerial view, which is how people find it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because it's just off in the distance somewhere. Weirdly enough, the really, really big hole has never consumed the ranch. It seems to always miss the ranch. And the really, really small hole misses all the buildings. I forgot to talk about that earlier. They totally dodge any structures, but can be seen missing the structures everywhere.

Cristina: So the structures very close to that ranch though.

Jack: Yeah. And it didn't touch it. It was right there. Yeah, it could. Had it shown up underneath it. Does the house just fall?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And like, how does it show up? You got to not be looking at it. It has to not be influencing anything or something. Right. Because you just be enjoying your day and then, oh my God. What the f***? The house is falling into where the hole just showed up under you. How does the hole move? Could I be standing here looking at the hole and watch it disappear in front of me?

Cristina: I don't.

Jack: Or do I have to look over there? When I look back, it's just gone.

Cristina: I think that's the only way it could work.

Jack: So then we're Schrodinger's hole.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: Anyways, guys, look at the information. Go online, Google it. Do what you got to do. Skinwalker Ranch. Really weird situation. Yeah. Tell us what you think. Tell us what you know. Tell us any ideas, thoughts, comments, concerns you might have, whatever the case might be, and do that on our socials. We have been kicked off of YouTube because truth hurts, I guess.

Cristina: Like they've been slowly removing us from there for years.

Jack: Yeah, we've been slowly getting banned left and right on YouTube.

Cristina: They finally was like, this is too much. You can't go through every video.

Jack: Yeah, no, they 100% were like, we're overlooking at your s***. Get out. And so we're no longer on YouTube but you can definitely reach us on tick tock, on Instagram, on Twitter, Facebook. I guess Twitter's act. But yeah, Twitter, you know, and on Facebook until they kick us out too because they're crazy PC, which I guess if we leave Facebook, we'll also be kicked out of Instagram, so you know all the above.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes, and word of mouth is the most exaggerated thing that can ever happen. So tell people about the show. Tell people about the Skinwalker Ranch and how you've discovered lately that all things on earth connect to the same group of people and that anything that's ever happened is just their doing and we have no free will.

Cristina: It might be, Yes, I guess so. This has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye it.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

June 01, 2024

Rambling 276: The Point of Gaza

June 01, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

What is the true purpose of what’s happening in Gaza? Do we have similar examples? And if we do, what is Israel really doing and who really are they? The duo now with answers to move forward, evolve the nature of their questioning taking them straight to present day to some astounding revelations. An episode which completely reframes all that is known and reveals dark coming truths for humanity!

+Episode Details

The Gaza Prison State
Israel Origins
Genocide vs Experiment
Who’s the Kingpin?
Prophecies Line Up
The True Big Picture

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we discuss humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And, like, we've been talking a lot for years at this point, literally.

Cristina: Has that been years?

Jack: It's literally years. It's literally been years. At this point, it's been like two years. Okay, yeah, about the same s***.

Cristina: But I thought we escaped it. We. I haven't escaped it.

Jack: I thought we escaped it, too. I thought we escaped it, too. I thought we escaped it, too. But the lingering question was, right, we solved the bunch, figured out a lot. But there was this question about Yahweh in specific, right? Like, we still don't know a lot about him. And there was a situation about the Tower of Babel that I wanted to talk about before, if you remember. And so the basic premise of that discussion, I'm gonna rush through it because it's useless. I just need you to understand the premise, right? The idea was the Tower of Babel, that Yahweh specifically had a. These desolation guy, and there's a bunch of people who are building a tower to reach him. This metaphor of a tower must have been literally trying to get this amounted or something, presumably.

Cristina: Okay, right.

Jack: And in the text, it says that he switched their language so they couldn't communicate and work together to continue to build it. That was his solution to the problem. But really, when you look at the depictions, the images that were used in description with those in sync with that time, those kind of look like satellites. So it's more like he was destroying their communication and towers and s***. Right?

Cristina: Do you have pictures of this?

Jack: What are you talking about? It was just, like, images and drawings and then descriptions of them and just a bunch of random bits and pieces. But that's not even what matters because. And we've seen this a thousand times in a million different places. It's interesting, but it's actually not the important thing, because the important thing comes down to what's happening right now. Because it's happening right now with simply following Yahweh. Because following Yahweh, one thing came to mind. Whose God is Yahweh? And he's the God of the Jews. Okay, right, The God of the Jews. So I'm like, okay, coincidence, right? Because the Jews and the Israelis aren't necessarily the same thing.

Cristina: Okay, so you're Going back to what we were talking about last episode kind of sort.

Jack: Right. So the Jews and the Israeli aren't necessarily the same thing. Israel is a new concept. Jews are not. Those are two different concepts. Who we identify as Jews now might not be the state of Israel, might be what we discussed. Right. But Jews, their God was Yahweh. Now current day Jews have a more abstract, ambiguous, kind of less directly spoken of God, but it's almost assumed it's Yahweh, but it's kind of like pretty removed a lot of the time. And Yahweh isn't really the God that is addressed even within the Jewish community. Well, Jehovah. Oh, that's a weird little alteration. Right.

Cristina: When did that happen?

Jack: Well, that happened kind of in modern time, generally speaking, all of Israel kind of always not Jews, but the state of Israel itself. Them, they've always been sort of Jehovah kind of people. Not a New Testament kind of people. They still follow Old Testament. It's still Jewish. But he just kind of say Jehovah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that's cool and fine, but old Jews used to say Yahweh. Weird, tiny discrepancy. I'm just pointing that out, you know.

Cristina: But it changes in the first book. The Old Testament?

Jack: Yeah. Oh, the original swap, it was used kind of interchangeably in the first one. In the first one. But the Jews of that time used Yahweh. They used Yahweh. The people of that time used Yahweh. Even if both exist.

Cristina: And the Old.

Jack: Yes, they would. They would defer to Yahweh first.

Cristina: Okay, and what was the other name?

Jack: The other name is Jehovah.

Cristina: Okay, Right.

Jack: So there was still a distinction. They felt one was superior to the other.

Cristina: Even though it's the same person.

Jack: No one's the father and the other is the son. Wait, Yahweh is Jehovah's father?

Cristina: Okay. No, I mean in the book, though. It's not really. It's the same person in the book.

Jack: Well, let me trip you out. The Jews already knew this and have kind of a tree in some form where they've kind of linguistically divided it. They already believe Yahweh is above Jehovah. They don't say one is. They're even related. But conceptually they've actually divided and created a distinction between that within how they explain their religion to people and how they preach it. There's a clear distinction between those two entities.

Cristina: Are you sure?

Jack: Yes. And people have related their sort of explanation of it. To father and son.

Cristina: But those people don't believe there's a father and a son.

Jack: No, they don't. They, the Jews themselves don't use that terminology. That's people trying to relate it to. Like, this is the best way I can explain the same idea.

Cristina: That's strange. Okay.

Jack: Juicer way thought out. They're above everybody. They're essentially following not even of religion as much as what seems to be a literal map of what kind of reality exists upon. They don't believe in a heaven per se. They believe there's a possible maybe something.

Cristina: Possibly something which sounds like.

Jack: Well, it depends on what you do. And what does that sound like? Well, are you going to just dissipate in peace or go to some kind of hellish place which isn't literally h***, it's some kind of other place like. That sounds like their belief. It's just some maybe something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And okay, that lines up. And they're not like, well, we can't really comprehend God.

Cristina: He's just another thing they worship. You're saying people. Yes, but those people are from the sea people. They're worshiping sea people at the end of the day, like did the ancient ones. Were they actually worshipping sea people?

Jack: Worship is our interpretation of it. Keep in mind, when we're referring to gods, the word God ultimately devolves down to the original root of person of intellect, person of authority, elite person of power. It's just with time and losing things and pieces here and there, you don't. People don't see the whole picture, which was our job.

Cristina: Okay. But in the last episode, we decided those were actually shadow people.

Jack: It seems to be that. Yes. That the state of Israel is shadow people. Yes.

Cristina: Well, does that make sense, though?

Jack: It makes sense when they are described specifically as the ones from the other side by everybody else.

Cristina: But once upon a time they had communication with the sea people.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And they were worshiping them.

Jack: No, they're not worshiping the sea people. Where are you getting the worship?

Cristina: Well, they felt some kind of way towards them, that they were above them.

Jack: Yes, they definitely. It's possible that because of the technology. Keep in mind that these are the oppressors.

Cristina: But they still.

Jack: We look at it like they're describing gods. We never said their gods are good to them. In fact, all of these people think these gods are monstrous and will hurt you. The word God does not mean benevolent in any instance, we've used it. And also, we don't even mean God when we use it. Okay, but every time we've used God. All those people think, oh, he's wrathful and gonna murder you. So none of them are like, we worship this guy. They're more like, we're gonna follow his orders. Cuz f*** that.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: You get my point. There's no worship in this old school. People weren't dumb like that. They weren't like, we got a war. They don't believe this s***. People nowadays do. People nowadays are idiots. They're like, no, there was a literal deity or something. These people were like, no. Those people basically own all this s*** that says I can't do anything about it. So I'm just gonna do whatever they want me to do because they don't need me. And it's really easy to get rid of me, so I'll be as useful as possible.

Cristina: But then something happened and that changed.

Jack: The Great War. The unification is what I'm calling it. The great Unification that happened at some point between, just by chance, between the year 6 BC and 4 AD which weirdly enough happens to coincide with the migration of the random group of people. We can tell because of the genetic marker of the J1 that comes from the neck of the Persian Gulf oasis, leaving around 6 BC to sometime around 4 AD and breaking up into three groups that scatter north, west and southwest, landing in Gaza. See, and at the same time, all mention of Elysians ceases. Everywhere the sudden beginning mentions of Israel first happen and we get the invention of the first ever, consistently always foreign own slave state. Now this is incredibly important because of what's happening in this slave state. This slave state is a very interesting location. Again, just following the train of thought of Yahweh, I come to the Jews and then the Jews just happen to be related to the Israelis because, you know, logistically in the same location.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So I then start looking at the Jews because I'm not really paying attention to the Israelis. Really. We just quickly address the fact that they might just be shadow people who joined the group of people who were against the Elysians to begin with.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which checks out. It makes sense as a strategic approach in life. You know, join the people who aren't the. Who are the good people in your eyes as compared to who are the bad people in everybody's eyes. You know, it's a great war, everybody's friends. Yeah, it makes sense. And so the Jews, notorious for definitely not being on the Elysian side, okay, you know, is who these Rayleigh state, AKA a bunch of shadow people who then turn themselves into just normal day humans. It coexists. It makes perfect sense. Right?

Cristina: Right.

Jack: But we have this state. And I think about what we were talking about last time, Right. We're talking about the migration pattern and how it broke up into these three different things. But a question came to me after the episode, which unpacking, the question got really, really, really dark, really, really quickly. Ran. I asked, but how do we know there's migration patterns if we killed them off? And that's the ones that are left, minus the ones that got away elsewhere. Right. Well, what's the migration pattern? It's DNA traces over time. So it took them time, they migrated at normal people speeds. They were trying to blend in. Right.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But we can trace their DNA with current day science. We couldn't then. They had that science, but they knew we didn't.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they blended in the people and made their way out. Hence the slow migration. They impregnated women throughout the time. Some blended in, whatever. They diluted themselves and disappeared into the populations. We can trace where the purity kept going as the line kept moving. So why didn't we eradicate those people? Right. We can trace the same J1 marker.

Cristina: Mm. You're saying those people as in the other two locations?

Jack: Yeah, the other two paths of the J1. A variation of DNA that we don't. We haven't killed those people that have it. But we know we don't follow the migration line. We just know that there is the Gaza line, the Gaza spot and where it began. And we got those other two lines. The two lines. We don't eradicate any of that. And the line in Gaza going to Gaza. No. But we have Gaza trapped. What's the difference from Gaza and those lines? And I had a theory about this. And then when I thought about this theory, I didn't looked into it, into how things work in it. Well, I didn't look into how things work. I looked into my theory and it told me how things work. I'll explain.

Cristina: You looked into your own theory?

Jack: Yes, I looked into my own theory. I looked at aspects of my theory.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Did some research.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And found weirder things about how things work.

Cristina: All right, and what was your theory?

Jack: So current day Israel is holding hostage current day Gaza.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We all know this. There's a blockade. Everybody else is kind of like let it happen, but what's really happening. Right. So currently Israel has currently Gaza just nice and boxed in. And I was looking at patterns. What often does this and for what purposes? Might somebody else.

Cristina: Trap another country or.

Jack: Something like not necessarily Country. I'm trying to remove myself from any idea that might connect back to war. I try to always remove myself to get different perspective. So what paths can lead to it, to a similar look? Well, scientists, oftentimes that's an initial. Once I saw scientists, I was like, let me click that f****** thing right there, bruh. Scientists tend to isolate a specific genetic variant in order to preserve just its evolutionary concentration. Right. What does this mean? We can have a pure version of something that's less influenced by the external world.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Fact, we can trace the genetic markers because of the migration line. Fact, there are two genetic variants, the lines themselves and the B1. B that came from the J1, that exists only in Gaza, which is sort of refined alternative. Just purified there by itself. Not purified, but it's more pure than the rest of us. Just a more concentrated version of the J1. Interesting. Why do scientists do this? Well, they do that to research these specific things. Okay. Yeah. When you have like a creature in isolation, you have less influence from the external world. This is great for genetics and things when you're studying biology and stuff, not when you're studying natural responses and psychology and behaviors. Because isolation is bad.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But you can create sort of a fake habitat and have them enclose within that fake habitat, which isn't really fake habitat. It's natural environment usually just protected from anybody going in or out. Then in that controlled environment, they're sort of less exposed to the outside world, but you still have access to the creature sort of living in its natural environment, staying as natural as possible. And this is usually how we preserve things from going extinct. What does preserving something from going extinct mean? The bird, the animal, the dog, the cat, whatever, isn't going to mate with some other things. It's going to mate with its own kind because it's trapped inside these walls with its own kind and it can multiply into more pure versions of itself.

Cristina: We do that with animals.

Jack: We do that with animals all the time. That's what natural preserves, enclosures are. Animals can keep reproducing among themselves and not diluting themselves. And that's sort of what's happening genetically inside of Gaza. We can tell that the people there have a specific, more concentrated version of a very specific genetic marker. They happen to have started at Persian Gulf Oasis.

Cristina: You think that's important to why they're being trapped in the first place?

Jack: Yes, because now I have to talk numbers again. This was just what, what might look like this in the world. And it led to scientists this Led me to the next point, which is essentially just a numbers question. Right. Once I start discussing the numbers, you're gonna get a lot of where I'm going with this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Right. All right. 7 million humans is one instance. 50 million Neanderthals is another instance. And about a hundred to a thousand alfamers is another instant. These are different variations, different quantities that it took to create different stones.

Cristina: Okay. Oh, duh. Oh, duh. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. So 7 million humans. It's the most recent stone we can, like, track. That was pretty big.

Cristina: How many people are there?

Jack: It's getting to the hundreds of thousands.

Cristina: That feels like not enough.

Jack: Well, let's talk about these numbers again.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It was the most primitive stone we can think of before the concept of our time existing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Before, the concept of our time existing was a thousand. Roughly a thousand. The most could have been a thousand based on what's left in disgust. Elfamers. About a thousand. Very small number. Very primitive. S***** stone.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Very low number. Really good stone. It couldn't make a universe.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Ooh, Kind of interesting.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: 50 million Neanderthals. Whack DNA takes a lot. Stone was so s*****, it took another try.

Cristina: Yeah, okay.

Jack: S***. You know, too whack of DNA. It's.

Cristina: But this is not whack DNA.

Jack: We're going back up, right? Because the most recent human stones was against Jews, right? 7 million. Using the Jews. Right. Using what? Specific Jews. Right. The Jews of Israel. Right. Those are what? Those are just gin, Right. That's a really strong stone. Right. So if you're gonna retaliate, you need a pretty strong f****** stone. Right? But you've always had your f****** ace in your back pocket. And we're talking scales of hundreds of thousands of years. This is a quick retaliation. Oof. Not really. Hundreds of thousands, Usually thousands of years. But yeah, a hundred years is a quick retaliation. It's really, really quick. Okay, so we're talking that these guys are making a pretty overpowered stone. If you're using Elysian DNA to make it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's. Potentially. They're calculating. The strongest stone ever made use is the equivalent of the weapons of mass destructions that we think exists, but secretly in the background. This is the real power. This is what people are really scared of. This is the true fear. And the problem is there's a very reminiscent thought that just happens to be a cartoon that really gives me a really good image of what's happening and why other people might already be stepping back. Because a lot of people stepped back right at the Beginning. And they're like, f***, bro. But why?

Cristina: Seem like some people are trying.

Jack: Yes, but what is the caution? Right? We know. We know a lot already. It's possible that these are just op gin. The tech is already up there. We can't do anything about these people to begin with. But there was a very vivid image I have, if you remember in Full Metal Alchemist, what made the military particularly dangerous?

Cristina: The fake stones. They're not fake, but, like, they had real stones, but they were wax stones.

Jack: They were small stones.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Ring size, like a diamond ring.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Tiny stones. Yeah, but they were real stones. But what about the stones made it great? Then everybody had one. The generals of every group, soldiers had guns, but the guy at the top of every tree, he had a stone. He worked his way to a stone, and he had to learn alchemy and do his homework.

Cristina: I think they just have a bunch of little stones.

Jack: I think we are in a situation where they've learned to casualize the ability to use these stones. And we've witnessed the flex. Like, maybe they've had it. And that's why we've been like, well, we're not gonna do it. They come from the other side, and they just become human. I think since that point, since the formation of Israel, they've had this, and nobody's gonna touch them. And then the first people to try their best to do so. Well, I mean, the state of Israel gets formed after N*** Germany.

Cristina: Right.

Jack: Didn't even exist until then. It's a response to that.

Cristina: Okay, you think they have stones, though?

Jack: I think at that point. I think at that point, they have stones. The state of Israel is controlled by essentially, quote, the generals with the stones, unquote, which are not really generals or military figures, but rather people of importance who have the ability to do real important damage on an interestingly overpowered scale. And that because of this, everybody has always just kind of done whatever. But the moment finally came. They told us, oh, yeah, we'll end this for you, but one day we're gonna do the thing. Because we have to.

Cristina: I don't want to just like, whatever.

Jack: And like, yeah, we're like, whatever. We'll deal with it then solve the problem now. Because we're stupid humans. We're stupid f****** humans. We're dumb. We think so. Short term, it's ridiculous. Part of the lifespan is retarded short. So, like, what the f*** would we do?

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: You know, we think in our. In the terms of our lifespan, they're thinking in the terms of theirs it's not the same to them. That short blip is really tiny scoped. But no, we, we considered our whole life. It's like you're just considering a longer span and you're judging us. But ultimately these guys, no one can do anything. Nobody can do anything. And I think that's the big problem. And right now they are starting to form a really overpowered stone, more powerful than any that has been formed until now.

Cristina: Where? What, what are they gonna do then? What. What's the next step? They make the stone and then what?

Jack: I don't know. We'll just won't hear about them. It'll go back to normal. No, they won't leave. It'll just quiet down. They're gonna get their thing accomplished and that's it.

Cristina: You think they won't just escape out of here or something like the next step like all everyone else with their stones?

Jack: Yes, but not in our time. Time span. We're not going to see that happen. Oh, the next. Keep in mind they're performing at their time span, not ours. We're thinking, oh, within our time span of life. We don't know. We're not gonna see that happen.

Cristina: But it's gonna happen eventually.

Jack: Presumably. Yeah, within a couple of hundred years to a few thousand years or some thinking hundreds of years. Based on the time scope that we see, everything happens within dozens to hundreds. It seems to be the regular time frame of LEAPS. 300 years seems to be the average good jump from one point to another.

Cristina: That's crazy though. That's crazy.

Jack: What?

Cristina: That they're just making a stone?

Jack: Yeah. But it kind of checks out, right?

Cristina: Just waiting for the stone to be made.

Jack: Yeah. And this question was just stuck in my head when I was just wondering.

Cristina: What could they possibly be doing?

Jack: Not even what could they be doing, but why. Why did I know about the. The path of DNA?

Cristina: What did you know?

Jack: Well, I didn't know. I did research.

Cristina: Why did someone know?

Jack: Yeah, why did. Why did ancestry look at this? How did. What was the point? How did they get. Not why, obviously I don't know why they looked at everyone. How did they know that that existed? Right, but what's the answer to the question is because there's people with the DNA. So wait, you didn't kill everybody with the DNA? Duh. So then what does that mean? That means that there's something specific about the people over there.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So then what's specific about the people over there? That's not. You're just imprisoning the ones you could catch. No, there's a. There were a bunch. And you ignored them. You caught some for a reason. And then I was like, why the. What else could look like this? Well, scientists do this to preserve things, to keep things purer, which we can prove because they actually have a more concentrated version of the same DNA. And what does adrenochrome work with? It works with blood.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the higher quality of the blood, the better the stone, which is proven. Although never discussed explicitly other than through the events. But the numbers line up with the events. You need less numbers if you have a purer blood and you usually use a stone and some other kind of thing to try to make a purer creature to then use to make a better stone. There's a process they were always going through.

Cristina: Mm. So there's gonna be something next, then? Yes, next evolution is coming up.

Jack: It depends how long it takes from the stone.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because. Yes, that was the other problem. Right. I'm like, okay, so the state of Israel happens, and then we discuss that, and we ignore the one fact that happens. Following that logic. Well, that group of individuals is what then? Well, the ones who could cross and turn themselves. Those are the elite scientists. That's also why those are the ones we're scared of. Those are currently the strongest, most powerful thing out here. Those are the ones who are gonna take the place of the Elysians. That's why everybody's horrified, too, because what we stopped is starting again.

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: And we're watching it happen. And we know at any moment it could be f****** any of us. But we helped them, and now we have to pay. It's essentially the demon crossroads problem.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I will reward you with whatever the f*** you want right now, but I am coming for you.

Cristina: And that's pretty much what happened. Okay. Yeah. Everyone had a problem.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: The humans came and, like, we can help you.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Oh, crap. Oh, crap. Mel. Are gonna be our problem. And we just got to watch and wait. That's weird. It's really strange. Yeah.

Jack: And it's weird because they didn't even help us stop the Alicians. They helped us to stop the Germans. That's it. They rolled up and helped to stop other humans. It was easy for them to do. So easy for them to do. They did it through the United States. So easy for them to do. Simple. Simple, effortless. Because what? We can push humans around like nothing, but we're coming for you.

Cristina: That's crazy. That's too crazy.

Jack: We successfully spent almost 2000 years. Well, I guess we didn't make it the 2000 years roughly because that was sometime in the 40s and now it's 2024. So you know we, we cleared the 2000 year mark of having suppressed the issue, but we made a deal with the devil and not really. They're not bad people. We gotta continue the thought creatures that can easily do the thing aren't thinking of us as people. That's really all that's happening.

Cristina: We're not equal to them.

Jack: We're not equal. We're smaller, less significant things that could be easily manipulated.

Cristina: Which we were.

Jack: Which we were. And we're still being. So it's pretty cut and dry. And the moment finally arrived then we're watching it happen and we're kind of all shook but talking about in the background like how do we stop it? We can't, we can't just jump in. It would be too easy for them to end it all right now and go start somewhere else. It would be too easy. We invited this in. So how do we think our way out of the problem? First point of action.

Cristina: You have a plan?

Jack: Well, no, this is the p. This is, I'm assuming the world at the moment.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: First point of action. The people of Gaza are f*****. We just have to let that happen. So that's a distraction while we talk, while we plan.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: While we figure it out. That's our timeline. Because one, we already can't stop them. Two once that's done, we'll never stop them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we gotta move to Mars. That's a, that's a possibility for sure. And the fact that. So the, the second thing, I don't know if you've looked at this and we can. If you want to.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Many, many, many, many, many billionaires and high hundred multi millionaires have been buying bunkers and buying seats to go visit Mars.

Cristina: That's not shocking, but okay. What can we do with that though?

Jack: Just all been happening. Buying seeds to leave the planet. Buying seeds to go underground.

Cristina: Yeah, because they know.

Jack: Because they know.

Cristina: What can you do? I don't know. It's very Egypt and my. What's the other people? Males.

Jack: Also how reminiscent of Horizon zero Dawn is the Mayans solution to hiding from the incoming apocalypse that they were experiencing.

Cristina: Yeah. And then the other people that went into space.

Jack: And then the other people went to space. Egyptians.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: No, it always, it's always the same. It's always the same. It's literally history repeating itself.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just away from baseland. That's it.

Cristina: And it's gonna happen.

Jack: And it's gonna happen again. Holy. We're seeing history happen again.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What the.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, that's crazy. That's really cool.

Cristina: That's cool that it happened in Horizon. We didn't even realize it.

Jack: Yeah. That's pretty badass. Good on them. That's fire. That's fire. I like that. D***. And we have neither.

Cristina: Neither. No.

Jack: No. Because we know the base is. That's just happening. So this is getting wiped out. We're part of the you're f***** group.

Cristina: No, we're not. We have.

Jack: Our bunk is not deep enough. We're not like Illuminati bunk. Our bunk is like, meh. Like a good. Like a missile directly hitting our territory.

Cristina: We can hide in one of the many locations where the Loch Ness monsters were protecting those random labs.

Jack: No, that's fair.

Cristina: Is that good?

Jack: Yeah. 100. And we're some of the only people who even know how to reach that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Then that's kind of fire.

Cristina: We have something that's fair.

Jack: That makes a lot of sense. We act fair enough. We actually have a lot of. We could do the spacing too. That just kind of sucks.

Cristina: Does this look. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. Like, we can just use the. The pyramid and like, warp out. But the problem is we sent a whole group of people there and that's just still nothing. So, like. Nah.

Cristina: We could some. No. How could we. Because we haven't figured it out. Travel to the place of the people that are listening to us.

Jack: Oh, crap. You mean Universe Three?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I don't even know how we would accomplish that.

Cristina: That's an idea. Very Full Metal Alchemist, then.

Jack: Yeah. Escape through those means hop through a portal or somehow. I mean, anything. Right? Because what's coming. Ultimately a group of people who are way more powerful than us are going to begin experimenting to advance their civilization, I guess. Or themselves to get out of here.

Cristina: Probably like everyone else. But out of this reality into Althaim?

Jack: I don't even know. Well. What. You pose a different argument, which we're still looking into, which is that it's not just out, but it's also creating universes of their own.

Cristina: Oh yeah.

Jack: And it's like. That's even more valuable because many of.

Cristina: Us do they have to sacrifice to do that?

Jack: How many of us do they have to sacrifice to do that? Keep in mind it looks like earthrealm itself is some sort of farm of elf fame. People of some degree. We're all sharing somehow that DNA. And the lesions are the Purest version of that.

Cristina: It's complicated.

Jack: Yeah. So, like, if you're trying to make something pure and then make a universe, you come here to do it. You leave the shadow realm, you come here.

Cristina: That makes sense.

Jack: And then you find the purest thing here, which are the people of Gaza.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: S***. Just so happens to be where they're at and exactly who they happen to be killing. What the f***?

Cristina: To make a new something. Yeah.

Jack: Just so happens to be what's happening. What the f*** are the odds?

Cristina: It makes sense though, right?

Jack: What the f***? Unless it's the most exact coincidence in all the f****** time. It is step by step what would need to happen. And it is literally what is happening.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So, like, I don't know what to tell you guys. If there was ever a clearer image of some weird supernatural that just so happens to not be. I mean, at this point, I don't even think about it as supernatural. I've. It. I've rationalized it into technology.

Cristina: Yeah, me too.

Jack: You know, like, I've seen enough. I've seen it. We've seen images of literal tech. Our attack, it's just not our tech. It's just not our tech. But it's just foreign enough that it looks like magic. But then we look at it and it's like, well, that guy wasn't shooting energy out of a pot because magic. No, there was a. It was a battery, bro. And we saw it and we saw the inside. It's like, oh, I get it now. And then. Oh, my God, the staff. And he was controlling magnetism and electricity. Well, it was a staff wrapped in coils with a metal rod inside of it. And he was in an area that was intentionally built with a magnetic sphere around it, bouncing electrical currents that he could then manipulate with the rod. It was intentional. Yes. Of course it looked like he was controlling it, because that was the f****** goal of the technology. It's like, oh, with enough time and enough different angles of literally seeing it. Yeah. I no longer see it as magic and stuff.

Cristina: But we're in danger.

Jack: Oh, yeah, We're. We're. We're very. I don't know how we would solve this problem other than leaving, which seems to be what everybody who doesn't want.

Cristina: To bother seems like the problem. I mean, the solution. It seems like what everyone's doing is it's got to be out. No up or down, up or down.

Jack: But I'll tell you one thing. The last uprising worked.

Cristina: The last up. Right.

Jack: Think about it. The last uprising worked. Although these guys Jumped on the opportunity to capture a group of them because they knew what was coming. They knew. Wait, you guys will jump, we'll help you guys. And we're gonna trap this group of people. Anybody can own this s***. But we're eventually going to show up and we're going to establish ourselves and this group of people. We want that this group of people, you need to make sure that group of people 1 stay pure. We don't give a f*** who owns that group of people. It stays f****** pure or we eat you guys instead.

Cristina: What do you mean by an uprising?

Jack: The uprising that happened at the time of Jesus, when the Alicians were first broadcasted to the world their location and that the big war happened and that at that point, these people, these jinn who assisted in the act, who were the shadow gods, they show up and they help with this situation to suppress the Elysians, because they weren't even with them, they're against them. Right? So they roll up, they help the people. We successfully suppress the Alicians, they give one rule for their whole thing eventually. We want that group of people. So you keep that group of people? Yeah, that's why we've seen that their DNA manages to be completely purified, essentially. Well, not purified, but still diluted, but way less than the rest of us. And it simultaneously managed to be owned by different people, which you think it would mix and be diluted. But still with regardless of whose hands it was in, they followed the one rule of that stays pure.

Cristina: Okay, right.

Jack: And then World War II happens, they roll up, help solve the problem. Now we got the straight of Israel, totally unrelated to f****** Gaza. Just okay, but unrelated to f****** Gaza. They're just. Yeah, we're just taking. We just. We just own that now, guys. And everybody's like, well, they just own that now, guys. We don't. Yep, that's what it is. What the f***?

Cristina: I mean, it was theirs before they got there.

Jack: I guess that's the argument. But there's no such thing. Palestine always owned Gaza. Israel doesn't exist. In fact, Israel is a chunk of Palestine.

Cristina: Oh, but how, what can you do about shadow people?

Jack: Well, we know an uprising happened and succeeded at the time of Jesus. And it was for somebody more powerful, so much more powerful that even the shadow people jumped in to assist stopping the problem.

Cristina: But the shadow people were helping us with the sea people.

Jack: Yes, and then they rolled up and assisted for World War II. And then.

Cristina: Are you saying that someone else or something else is gonna help us with them?

Jack: No, I'm Saying that we still managed to stop the sea people. So an uprising succeeded. So an uprising can succeed, but it.

Cristina: Was with help of outsiders. I don't know.

Jack: Yes, but presumably those outsiders at. No, man, I was. My point went out the window once I thought about it right now. Because I'm gonna say those outsiders at that point were about as technologically advanced as we are now. But that's a lie. They were definitely way ahead of where we are now, even. Yeah, by like, a lot. Yeah, maybe not by like a lot.

Cristina: But like, enough from them to be able to change their bodies from whatever they were to whatever we are.

Jack: Like, we're looking at their, like, crazy tech. Yeah, they're like 2,000 years. No. Yeah, because we gotta think that they were really. When we see them swinging some kind of real ham of technology, it's like still 12, 000 years.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's like fog. Okay, so 12, 000 years before we.

Cristina: Get the crisis, hope that the sea people that are hiding pops up and defends us from them.

Jack: Why would they defend us?

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: You know what's confusing about this? Because Jehovah was like, but you're killing the people and giving them the technology. But I guess when you think about it, it's more about we can't harvest them if they're dead. Yeah, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like, why are you killing the cattle, bro? We can't keep killing the cattle, bro.

Cristina: You can't keep killing.

Jack: It's like. Is that. I guess. Yeah, I guess you could still explain it away. Fair enough. Fair enough. I was gonna try to jump on his defense now, but no, he's still pretty horrible because he was f******. Because I'm like, why is he experimenting on us and then defending us? And it's like, oh, no, he's just making sure we don't die.

Cristina: Yeah, you need some of us alive to continue experimenting.

Jack: Yeah. And you can't just f****** give them all tech and then they all collapse. Yeah, the whole line of the f****** equator, except the Alicia. The Egyptians collapse. Everybody. All of them. Except the Egyptians, of course. Of course. Stop, bro. Lucifer, homie. Come on, bro. I know you mean well, dog. Look, look, Dab me up, bro. You know, I. I respect what you're trying to do, bro, but you keep killing them and, like, they're just f****** dumb creatures, bro. Don't give them this s*** and then show them, and then they're just gonna try to kill the next guy.

Cristina: Yeah, it was just death. Like, if it was making stones, at least that'd be cool, but, like, it was wasted death.

Jack: It was wasted death. Exactly. Just trying to make intelligence happen. And it's like, come on, bro, it takes time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or jump on board the project of breeding something that could learn faster, which is what everybody's trying to do. Why are you just trying to. I guess the shortcut. Fair enough.

Cristina: How they're here.

Jack: Okay. I lost a little respect for him. Fair enough. Fair enough. I see the problem. I see the problem. If we're people of honor and everybody else is doing the hard work and this m*********** is like. But maybe one of them will just miraculously work out and then we'll be done and. Except that never really happened. Playing the slow game might have worked out, but why? Because the ones that went to Norway and the ones that went to the Atlantic can monitor us and watch us and see where we're all. We're almost there anyways. Playing the slow game. Yeah.

Cristina: No countless of deaths involved, except for.

Jack: Like, what we caused to ourselves. And now the problem. Showing the shortcuts. Showing up again.

Cristina: Yeah, the shortcut. Yeah.

Jack: Oh, s***.

Cristina: That is always a danger.

Jack: That is always a danger. Oh, my God. There was a good guy.

Cristina: Ooh.

Jack: Well, it wasn't a good guy. There was a bad guy because a bunch of amoral s*** happening.

Cristina: Yes. So you can't really say anyone was specifically a good guy. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. That's fair. That's fair. So there was a bunch of amoral s*** and then one exceptionally s***** guy who was like. But the shortcut to being immoral.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, if a bunch of them died. Cool, man. But some of them will work out. It's like, what the f***?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Yeah, I guess that's kind of s*****. That's pretty bad.

Cristina: It's pretty bad. Yeah.

Jack: He seems. I guess. Oh, man. Lucifer is clever, Right? Because also the way the argument gets twisted by his point of view is he means well. He wants you to know stuff, but he excludes what the cost is.

Cristina: Death.

Jack: Death, most likely.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He leaves that part out.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, it looks. It looks great. When you look, you don't see the results.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Hey, everybody, eat the fruit. You'll know everything if it doesn't kill you. Is the whole sentence.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: You know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's really the whole sentence. Hey, everybody, eat the fruit. You'll know everything. And then he just, like, you know, mumbled the rest of it. Hey, everybody. Everybody, eat the fruit. You'll know everything. And.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, and it's like, what?

Cristina: We had, like, a giant contract, you Gotta accept. But you don't read all the terms. And somewhere in the back it was like.

Jack: And it was, it wasn't even in the back. It was just really exceptionally small and in parentheses and in the corner so it looks like an explanation to some other. And you're like, well no, I, I understood. I don't have to read the explanation because they lie to you. And like the first five times you see that same format of really tiny in parentheses in the corner. It was an explanation. And you tuned out by the third one. But the fourth one, that's the one that was actually the unrelated true clause.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That you never read because you tuned out. You're like, it's more explanations. And that was clear enough. You know, just.

Cristina: That's exactly what happened.

Jack: That's exactly what he does. He's just smart enough to. He's Fox versus cnm. It's the same information. But you know, he decided to just say but I give you information all the time. And like nothing else.

Cristina: He's as bad as our journalism.

Jack: He's. He's as bad as our journalism. A thousand percent.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That is a fact. I mean. But all sides are. Everybody's just painting their picture.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. Yeah.

Jack: We can't trust any of it. We've even come across any of this information grabbing a thousand different sources at the same time and cross reference all of it. Because everybody's lying all the time. Only what everybody agrees on can we say is true. The rest is twisted by everybody.

Cristina: That's a lot.

Jack: Yeah. Basically, if it's about group A, I need to see what group B and C say. Because group A lied about it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it can't. If group A is talking about group B then I can't ask group B either. I have to look at what group C and D believe about the situation between group A and B. It's the only way I can tell the truth. Cuz both those m************ are gonna be biased as f***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's the only way to ever get data.

Cristina: And that's two will also be a little bit biased because they're getting something out of it.

Jack: Yes. They only wrote it down because of the benefit to.

Cristina: So you know. Exactly.

Jack: You gotta get far enough. That's the problem. If you get too far, the information falls apart. And if you get too close, well, the information falls apart. It's just all lies.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So you need to have this medium of like, I'm far enough that it's not just propaganda and I'm close enough that it's not just random gibberish.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So it's like a cohesive. I can get enough at this distance, perspectives. It looks right. And I get a whole image, which is a pain in the a** that we have to do this all the time.

Cristina: But what's our job?

Jack: It's literally our job. What the f*** else can we do? How else are we supposed to get to the bottom of the truth of the situation?

Cristina: Well, we did it, though. I think.

Jack: I think. I think. Yeah.

Cristina: Unless Jesus pops up.

Jack: I don't know. Well, that's the next problem here, Right? And you know what's really weird about it? But it kind of means the Bible's not lying. Let's think about it. Creatures from the shadow realm, what we would describe as h*** in a Bible roll up.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They begin what we would describe as the Apocalypse. Although it's happened before from our point of view, it's gonna satisfy that idea because they're gonna try to eat everything in Earth on Earth. Not literally eat, but, you know, kill us through experimentation and enslave us. And essentially h*** on Earth for just humans.

Cristina: Okay, Right.

Jack: But then Jesus shows up again. Again is the key word, because it would be again. And so him showing up is like, well, I'mma do what? I'm going to save the people. Specifically, who will? His people and everybody else who isn't the creatures that came from our proverbial h***. Weirdly enough, that's the apocalypse in the Bible. What the f***? But who said it would happen? F****** Jesus. The psychic.

Cristina: That. Yes. Okay. So, like, I also know that that's gonna happen.

Jack: Yes. He knew the whole time. He called it all.

Cristina: I mean. Yeah, that's part of being a necromancer. Yes.

Jack: He just. This is meaningless to him. He knows. He just kind of smacked them around casually whenever he feels bored enough to get involved.

Cristina: For that stone. Maybe.

Jack: He's gonna let them make it, isn't he?

Cristina: Yeah, I think so. Because he's also a neutral party after the disaster. And then we're like, yes, finally. He's finally here to save us or whatever. But it's like, it's really for that stone.

Jack: Yeah. He's gonna stop the rest from happening. But he's like, yeah, the Alicians.

Cristina: Yeah. Like he doesn't care.

Jack: He doesn't give a. He specifically hates them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The Alicia. Yes. No stone. Will he ever want more than that stone?

Cristina: The one out of the people he hates the most.

Jack: Yes. He's been waiting for this day.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He probably been casually feeding these Information to come and take that stone, make it themselves.

Cristina: And she's like, this all probably started with him somehow.

Jack: Yeah, he. I mean, so he called it at the beginning. He literally said every part of it and every part is happening. And he. I mean, he said it's the master plan.

Cristina: Well, this is probably how he got the stone in the Shadow Realms.

Jack: Easily.

Cristina: Because he too overpowered. Yes, but, like, the shadow people in that place are probably shadow people he met during that adventure or whatever. Like, how did he get it? Like, how did he walk in? Did, like, what. What happened to those things that were there? Maybe those were his armies. Because we know he did bring back people. He brought back people?

Jack: Yes, he did. He brought two stones and he brought back people. Yeah. It's a craft.

Cristina: Those could be the sh. Those same shadow people there right now might be his people that he brought back in that moment.

Jack: S***. You know specifically who he brought back. Prisoners of Yahweh.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: S***.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Oh, s***. Oh, man. That's on point. Wow.

Cristina: It all goes back. It does all make sense.

Jack: It does all make.

Cristina: It does make sense. Oh, my gosh. Of course he knows what's gonna happen. Those are. He planned it.

Jack: He planned it. Every part.

Cristina: He's waiting for it to happen.

Jack: Not even waiting. He could have blinked. For him, it could have been a split second. From being over there to being at the other end in the future. At some point, I'm like, okay, now let me collect the stone.

Cristina: Yeah, it's all for the stone. And we're just going to be cool with it because, like, it's Jesus.

Jack: It's. Jesus is going to roll up and be like, that was. Yeah, this was part of my plan.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we're all going to like, oh, yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Like, who's going to say anything? Yeah, nothing's gonna happen.

Jack: Yeah, we're gonna be like.

Cristina: People are gonna freak out and we're gonna have, like, people killing each other. Well, yeah, there's no. No one's gonna stop him.

Jack: And he's literally just gonna prove he's Jesus.

Cristina: Yeah, he's not gonna.

Jack: Like, he doesn't care. He's probably, like, I'm sure Hermes consistently all that. He didn't show anybody how to become. That's different. He had to. You gotta be. You know, you gotta acquire the knowledge to learn how to become a necromancer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But I'm sure he gladly showed everybody how he was a necromancer. You know, just like, oh, that's why the Jesus with the f****** walk on water and wine things casually. These guys bringing people back from the.

Cristina: Dead just to show.

Jack: Just for show. Yeah, magic tricks of all sorts. Bread and fish and this and that.

Cristina: And it's like, okay, it's gonna be the Messiah. The show all over again.

Jack: Yeah, man. No, I think, I think. Well, it's complicated, isn't it? He really did plan the whole f****** thing. It lines up.

Cristina: Yeah. He's gonna pop up and talked about it.

Jack: He said, oh, yeah, it's gonna happen and there's nothing any of you could do about it.

Cristina: And like his people, he brought them there. They're not just shadow. They're just not random shadow realm people that said, hey, we're gonna protect you. No, they were his specific shadow realm people that told us that they're gonna protect us because he told them to say that.

Jack: Yeah. And he'll easily get rid of the problem.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: This is effortless. You could control everybody effortlessly. They swear this part. They swear this. This is their plan too, I bet. Yeah. I don't think they're word. They think, oh, we're working with Jesus. I think they think this is their plan.

Cristina: Yeah. He brought them back and they're like, yeah, this is what he wanted and that's it. But they're not questioning why. Or maybe they are, who knows? But that's so crazy because he knew and they're not gonna do anything about it.

Jack: No, it's nuts. This is crazy, man. He specifically saved the prisoners of Yahweh, which are the Jews of Yahweh. The tide with Yahweh. He was just. Yo, that's crazy.

Cristina: Then they have to know his plan. They are not just protecting those people out of an agreement to make them into stone. Like it has to be because Jesus want that. And they know the plan is to turn him into a stone so Jesus can have it. He saved them. The he. They must have a deal with him. He's the true devil at the crossroads.

Jack: Yeah. He is the devil at the crossroad. He's the top of it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh. Oh, d***. That makes perfect sense. Well, whatever. We are out of time. But crazy.

Cristina: I understand why the people were afraid. Now we see it.

Jack: Now we see it. Now we see it.

Cristina: Them.

Jack: Yeah. Well, that group of sea people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We might actually see the whole situation.

Cristina: That might be the step to the end of all of them. The first step to the end of all of them.

Jack: Well, it depends, because we still have the people, the sea people at the bottom of the island. They still had the same amount of time to work on their tank.

Cristina: They don't have a stone made out of themselves. That's the most powerful thing I've ever imagined.

Jack: S***. You're totally right. You're totally right, Bear.

Cristina: He has so many. And then he's gonna have this one.

Jack: No, to be honest, the other problem is. No, let me. S***, we gotta get out of here. But you brought up so many points. No, no, no. Let me f****** address this real quick because you're totally right on so many cases. First, the Elysians don't have a stone. Jesus stole all of them. After somehow the shadow people acquired them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The Elysians have no stones. First problem. Problem number two, we're just talking about the ones we know created. But keep in mind we know about others. We're not even addressing twin towers going down. That was definitely one being made. Same people on both sides involved. World War II. Same people on both sides involved. It's always the same groups of people always making the same thing. And so we're assuming all of these stones are owned by the same people at this time.

Cristina: Which is Jesus.

Jack: Which is Jesus. Afraid, like. Yeah, there's no chance. You're totally right. There's no chance any elation is stepping up. There's no chance.

Cristina: Jesus has been making stones all this whole time. All these things have been. It's just him and his people that he has here, disguised as us.

Jack: Alternatively, desperate times, desperate measures, they went into two different directions.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: The people who went west can definitely at this very moment be making pure Elysian stones. If they've gone mad with the need to retaliate. A caste system naturally evolved, and the bottom of the caste system is still equally pure DNA. But now you're the people who will be used to create stones. I'm sure a single Elysian stone, a pure one person Elysian stone, is quite powerful. I'm not saying super, but I'm saying equivalent to like a weak human stone. I think if you have an entire caste system that you can throw, say a hundred thousand people into and say you guys are all the stone and they already have a stone. Assuming they would devolve into that. We don't know how big the civilization is down there. Yeah, it would have had to expand underneath the water over 100,000 years, probably quite significantly. So who knows?

Cristina: Who knows? It's possible, but we don't.

Jack: Also, is Bioshock loosely based on what's happening there? Just saying. Anyways, totally random. Just thought about it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah. Mad stones. And I Don't even remember what my other point was.

Cristina: The Elysians might be having a plan, a backup plan.

Jack: Oh, s***. The people who went north, that's the backup plan. Because what's north? A group of what?

Cristina: Nepalem.

Jack: Nephilim. Is anything more f****** overpowered than a pure clean nephilim, which is a clean 50.50cut of human and deletion DNA.

Cristina: But that is what Gaza is.

Jack: That is not what Gaza is. Gaza is more diluted. It has to be 50. 50.

Cristina: Has to be 50. 50. Okay.

Jack: And that is what exists up north. If they trap and isolate that, then.

Cristina: They have a nice stone and then.

Jack: Breed that over the same amount of time. Keep in mind these groups of people are thinking in their time scales and.

Cristina: We don't know why they didn't stop. Like, we know that they know about those people, but haven't done anything to them, so it could happen. They're just letting them breed in that one specific location just in case of. Yes, there was always a backup. Okay. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Okay, so just theories, you know, just talking about things. There's direction here.

Cristina: Interesting. Interesting. What? What? Craziness. Okay, so there's more. It's not just an easy word for Jesus.

Jack: At least.

Cristina: For Jesus, at least.

Jack: Yeah, there isn't. And it's definitely. You know, it's gonna get crazy. It's gonna get wild in some time.

Cristina: Okay, well, we can all just wait until that happens, I guess. I don't know. Because no one has a real plan anyway.

Jack: And, I mean, I'm sure the plan is being worked on.

Cristina: Besides the people that are trying to escape, everybody.

Jack: Yeah, I'm sure there's people trying to escape. There's the possible retaliation from the Elysian side, but we might. Ha. Man, if there's a can't. It sucks either way. It sucks either way. If this is real and this really happens, it doesn't matter who wins. We're f*****. It would have to be Jesus wins. If the Shadow People win, which I guess. No, it's Jesus. No, it wouldn't suck both ways, because Jesus would stop the Shadow People. They've. They're gonna be tossed away. Easy. He explained that plan. Yes, but no, he still knows what's gonna happen. The Alicians can't beat the plan. They think they can. Yeah, but he saw that fail too. He saw their plan. He saw their plan. He's a necromancer. He knows it worked. He's been on the other side. He saw it. That's why it doesn't matter.

Cristina: I don't know. Maybe he hasn't seen that specific plan.

Jack: Everything has come true. That's overpowered. Come on. That's pretty.

Cristina: Maybe they're so secretive about that plan that they don't really have that as a plan.

Jack: But how? He's psychic. He could just. He still knows that.

Cristina: That could be.

Jack: Unless they're somehow blocking it out.

Cristina: Yeah, they can't. I don't know.

Jack: Well, I still don't know if his psychic ability allows him to zone in on people like that, but I don't know. Anyways. Anyways, if you guys. Yeah, there's a lot. There's too much. If you guys have any information that you want to give us on any of this, if you guys have any perspectives or data or any. Anything you want to talk about, you could do that. Hit us up on our social medias. You can communicate with us doing that at just Convo pod that's on Tik Tok, Facebook, Instagram X.

Cristina: And remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And word of mouth is the most overpowered thing that's existed in all of history. And look, I always think this s***'s almost ending, and then another door opens and then it's infinite.

Cristina: You'll never do. Never close. It will never close.

Jack: It will never close. And it makes only more sense as time goes by. It's maddening.

Cristina: Yes, this has been the Rambling podcast. Take Nothing Personal and thanks for listening by.

Jack: Sa.

May 04, 2024

Rambling 272: Where To Go From Here

May 04, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

What is the ultimate goal of the Necromancers, of the Research Groups and their Experiments? What is the purpose of their actions? Who is the good guy and the bad guy in the story? The duo take a different approach to the Data relative to the Elysians, Necromancers, everything surrounding them and more in an attempt to find a cohesive direction to go. In this episode, the duo attempt to zero in on what they should be looking for!

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Topics Discussed:

Philosopher Stones
The Teachings of Hermes
Elysians (Atlanteans)
The Three Realms
Creating New Realms
Becoming A God
The Universal Arrow

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November 04, 2023

Rambling 250: The Shadow Gods

November 04, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Where did Abraxas take all the stolen data? What did Lucifer do after leaving the Garden of Eden? Who is and who isn’t an Elysian? The duo deep dive into the Elusive Shadow Gods formerly known as Moon Gods and the little that is known of them in an attempt to understand what their research was aimed at accomplishing.

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Topics Discussed:

Lucifer for the People
Elysians
Lilith and the Adam Stone
Cloaking Technology
Nephilim
Abraxas the Traitor
Shinto Gates

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October 21, 2023

Rambling 248: The Garden of Eden

October 21, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Who were those closest to Jehovah? How did all these individuals live so long? Which experiments did they conduct? The duo finally deep dive into the research team ‘Garden of Eden’ in order to better understand its members and the core principle of their research and longevity. Although a difficult research project, the fruits of the labor payoff because of a simple revelation made which ultimately answers one big question and asks ten more!

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Topics Discussed:

Anthroposophy
Jehovah
Nahas
The Real Age of Lilith
Lucifer
Creating Physical Bodies
Highest Garden Clearance
Curing Death
The Messenger
Artificial Naga

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September 08, 2023

Rambling 242: The Adam & Eve Timeline

September 08, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

What is the exact timeline of events important to the story of the Sea People? What is the goal of all their scientific research? Who was involved in helping and when? The duo unpack the timeline of events and nail down the order to better understand how the Sea People became so powerful and how they provided extremely advanced tech to powerful other empires around the world.

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2.5mil bc First Tools
2mil bc El meets Cizin
El Collects the Fruit of Life
156,000bc to Adam
150,000bc Primitive Humans
El Collects the Fruit of Knowledge
100,000bc Eve
100,000bs Modern Humans
10,000bc Jehovah Collects all 3 Fruits
7,000bc Maya and Egypt become Advanced
Year 1 Jesus is Born
Persian Gulf Oasis Is Abandoned
Egypt is Abandoned
Maya is Abandoned

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September 02, 2023

Rambling 241: The Forest of Shadows

September 02, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

What connects us to the Shadow Realm so deeply? Why do the Mayans continue to reveal deeper and deeper roots associated with the Egyptians? And how do the Sea People have such massive advancements on even the most technological of civilizations? Trying to find any information on the Shadow Realm after consistent data shows ancient research teams contained Jinn and other Shadow Realm creatures as members, the duo are taken far back in time into the past of the Persians, back when they were still known as the Sumerians. What pops up in this research answers questions the duo didn’t even know they had, but leave new standing questions behind.

Sumerians
The Persians
Shamash
Judge for the Jinn
Ganzir
Cizin
Ix Chel the Prodigy
Inanna and the Fruit of Knowledge
El
The Forest of Shadows
The Bridge of Realms

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March 04, 2023

Rambling 216: The Persian Golf Oasis AKA Atlantis

March 04, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Were the Atlanteans real? If so, can we prove it? And if we can prove it, who went out of their way to hide the truth and why? The duo unpack the true history of the Persian Gulf Oasis people, their history, records of their existence and where they fled to. Uncovering where they fled, why, and who took the opportunity to suppress their existence becomes a tale as old record keeping itself.

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Atlantis
Naval Rival of Athens
Sea Peoples
Egyptians
The Persian Gulf
Mayans
A Future Tragedy
Philosopher Philo
Technological Advancements
Mayan Glyphs
The Height of Atlantis
The Bronze Atlanteans
Catholic Suppression Effort
The Virgin from The Persian Gulf
Jesus Christ the Son of the Persians
The Atlantic Ocean

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February 25, 2023

Rambling 215: Mount Athos

February 25, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Why does everything come back to Mount Athos? What is really going on with this mountain? What is being hidden from the public eye? The duo continue their investigation of Mount Athos and the strange occurrences that keep pointing to something on this mountain. The twists and turns that the research goes through leads to a few revelations never before concluded, but more impressively some new questions arise!

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Topics Discussed:

Atlanteans
Unicorns
A Russian Named John
Sacred Russian Bestiaries
Athos the Giant
Athos vs Poseidon
Burial Ground
Eastern Orthodox Monasteries
Holy Relics, Icons, Mosaics
Virgin Mary
The Summit Athos

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February 17, 2023

Rambling 214: The Missing Link

February 17, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

When did life start? Who made the first tools? Who spoke the first word? The duo unpack the origin of humanity to better understand when and how the structures on the old equator were built. The conclusion goes down a familiar road that the duo could not have predicted would play out how it does!

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Ancient Advanced Civilizations
Mount Athos
First life
Oldowan
Homo sapiens
Atlantis is first mentioned in Greece
Unicorn Dust
Unicorn Horn
Old Equator
Prehistoric Era
Oldest Structures

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February 04, 2023

Rambling 212: The Old Equator

February 04, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

What’s on the equator? What’s the significance? Has it always been the same? The duo discovers the equator has moved gradually over time and was once in a different location, now trackable by ancient structures. They deep dive to find the significance of this line circling Earth.

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Topics Discussed:

The Great Circle
The Old Equator
Mysterious Ancient Sites
Pyramid of Giza Hidden Equations
Constellations
Speed of Light
Signaling to Alien Life
Comet impact
Noah’s Flood
Scientifically Advanced Ancient Civilizations
The Persian Gulf Oasis

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January 28, 2023

Rambling 211: Unicorns

January 28, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Are unicorns real? Where do they come from? Can they help us figure out the Santa Clause Problem? The duo unpack Unicorns, their origins, what the truth about them might be and whether or not it would be useful to find one in order to use it to catch santa.

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Topics Discussed:

Unicorns
Indus Valley Civilization
Bestiaries
Powers
Greek Civilization
Middle Ages Europe
The Evidence
Magic Horn
Unicorn Powder Merchant
Adrenochrome

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