Rambling 290: Connecting the Dots Part 2
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Is there anything the duo missed? What could it be? What’s hidden within the research that hasn’t yet been spotted? The duo deep dive into a conversation attempting to connect any dots missed and in search of any information overlooked that might have been significant. What they discover changes everything they know with answers that have been right under their noses all along!
+Episode Details
- Elysians
- Greek Gods
- Ancient Experiments
- Shadow Realm
- Jinn
- Lucifer and Samael
- Shinto Gates
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+Transcript
Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Jack.
Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.
Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas as you usually do.
Cristina: Yes. Yes. It's very fun to do.
Jack: Very fun to ground baffling ideas.
Cristina: Yes. Yes.
Jack: Yeah. So today I would like us to kind of just jump back and forth discussing the details that we've recently come across that have less to do with the Elysians and more to do with Clinton Road, its surrounding environment, and the details we found out that work as crossing lines between these two ongoing, infinite topics. Although Clinton Road itself isn't a giant ongoing topic, as opposed to the individual facets of it, we find that connect to other bigger, wide pictures. Although there is a huge Clinton Road picture.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Also, apparently I don't take enough pauses when I talk.
Cristina: What?
Jack: Yeah, so it goes as follows. A person can process when you pause the talk. So if I say I'm a very quick speaker, I toss a bunch of information, but it starts to jumble and get muddy and jumble and get muddy as more things start to fall. Because people don't normally think at the pace that I'm communicating.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: People tend to think at a slower pace. So I gotta throw a couple of things and then take a pause.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It's a moment for them to kind of consider. Look at it like this. Now, I could explain to you that the Elysians and the Greek are both related as well as the Mayans and the Egyptians in some kind of larger scale group of people who are always doing experiments. This takes place roughly around the first century and before going back, including all these individuals about 12,000 years backwards. And then if we just remove all the other groups and leave only the Elysians, go back about a hundred thousand to two hundred thousand years and then focus entirely only on the grandfather of Jehovah going back up to 3 million years. All of these people can collectively reinforce the same ideas. And we can go even further back if we go into the shadow realm that happened long before this point. All of this information summed and thrown at a person is a lot to deal with. Now, if I were to tell you that the Elysians were the direct rivals of the Greek and take a pause. Now you're like, okay, I got the picture.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: With them, were working with the Elysians, specifically were working the Egyptians and the Mayan and Together, they were kind of working into a bigger picture that involved killing any kind of starvation that could possibly happen. Usually. Focus with the Mayans that were dealing with crops and advanced botanics, as well as they were dealing with portals and things of that nature. And the Egyptians, who were working on immense energy storage and immense energy collection. Pauses between these points allows a little more processing, a little more thinking about what I said.
Cristina: Because the Greeks, though, even though the people were not really working with anyone, you don't think the scientist part. The gods weren't working with the Greeks.
Jack: And I mean, it was literally the.
Cristina: Greeks with the Mayans and the Egyptians.
Jack: Well, what we know is literally they couldn't access the technologies that the other guys had. So they're working with them and what. Not getting any benefit from the interaction.
Cristina: Because they were still able. They were not involved in that whole.
Jack: Not a single stone.
Cristina: Not the stone.
Jack: Well, that would be what everybody was.
Cristina: Striving for, those trips to the mountains. What was that about?
Jack: To communicate. Oh, they were dealing. That wasn't with the Egyptians or the Mayan. That was specifically with the Alicians.
Cristina: Okay. The Greeks and them.
Jack: Yeah, it was the.
Cristina: They weren't getting technology from that.
Jack: It was trade, but not. And, yeah, I believe it. I believe this was the science. So it was like the Greek gods who were doing this.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Working with the Egyptian, the Elysian.
Cristina: Yeah. So they were probably getting something.
Jack: Trade. It was trade through necessity.
Cristina: Yes, but info science.
Jack: Except we don't have any. Any basis to claim that the Greek.
Cristina: Got anything, because their things are pretty secretive. I don't know. Every story we have of them is just what people imagine was happening. And then we find out through putting it together, it was something. A whole different situation.
Jack: Who, the Greek?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Well, some of the things. Some of the things are just flat out written.
Cristina: Some of them. Well, I guess a lot of them feel like it's not telling us the.
Jack: Actual story in some cases, like when we think about the Minotaur and the Tora Boban.
Cristina: But the most recent stories. Yes.
Jack: Yeah, but then we're still talking about human sacrifice as opposed to. We're talking about blood. We're talking about sacrificing, we're talking about opening rifts through these methods as opposed to, oh, I have a stone or I know a guy who can break the laws of physics. It's kind of different. It feels different, at least.
Cristina: Yeah, the Mayans feel different from the Egyptians and they were using the same.
Jack: Technology because they were literally sharing technology.
Cristina: But they felt different from each Other.
Jack: Yes. While the Greek have zero example of using the same technology. That is my point. My point is literally what you just said.
Cristina: Which is what?
Jack: The Mayan seem different than the Egyptians.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: But are using the same technology.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: The Greek seemed different than the Egyptians, the Mayans, and the Elysians, and had none of the same technologies.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: A perfect example being the Toro Boban and the Minotaur.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: There is no example of somebody using mixing of different chimeras. And there is no example of any of these groups relying purely on adrenochrome variations in order to accomplish these things. They all had access to some way to bypass the need for adrenochrome. In fact, they were quite exclusively trying to avoid using adrenochrome. They would sooner abolish the existence of an entire people through genocide in order to make a stone. So they themselves wouldn't be subject to adrenochrome, but they wouldn't share that with the. With the Greek that seemed obligated to use adrenoco. Alternatively, let's play devil's advocate and go with what you're saying. Let me stop being the no. The no. And. And let me start being the yes and. Right.
Jack: Let's. Let's get the ball rolling with a yes. And let me be less negative. Let's assume they are, in fact working together. Then that means the Greek didn't give a. And still used adrenochrome despite all the other. It would make no sense on paper if you got something a thousand, billion, trillion times stronger than any form of adrenochrome. But. Okay, so you guys are idiots. You want to both use the adrenochrome and the stone. So you're like, it, I'll get addicted?
Cristina: Well, we don't know. Were they using.
Jack: Yes. They had literal ambrosia. That's where we found it through. They had ichor, which is where we found it through. And they had is ichor. Ambrosia and nectar. That's all Greek. They were the ones who figured these things out by distilling through their own bodies.
Cristina: You're saying the Mayans and the Egyptians had none of that going on?
Jack: Nope. They had the flower one. They had the fruits. They had the stones. They had every other method that prevented them from getting addicted. Okay, and the Greek had nothing but drowning in addiction. They had all of this s***. They're like, yes, more of it. Okay, but then our assumption would be that they had access to all these other methods and still recklessly got addicted to all this that's where we're standing. If they did in fact share these sciences, that means knowing they were all going to be fiends for the rest of infinity and knowing that with the stones.
Cristina: And what if they volunteered to test it out? No, they would have already known. The sea people. I mean, like.
Jack: Yeah, they way before long, long, long beforehand. They only went on the quest to find these things and recreate them because they had the data that proved it ex from people long before them.
Cristina: The times. It makes it very confusing.
Jack: Yeah. Because we think about Jehovah and his group of people starting about 12,000 BC.
Cristina: Ridiculous.
Jack: But that has nothing to do with the amount of data and hardcore research that existed and was passed down for 1000-001500-00200, 303 million years.
Cristina: How are you supposed to. That's a lot of time.
Jack: That's a lot of time. All passed by people from beforehand. And we still have no, and I've looked. We still have no idea how Lilith connects through such different gaps in time. She's. Shadow people live weird, man. Yes, that's some other crap. And we know this because as a shadow person, Yaldabaoth. Also like how you connect with these people through giant gaps in time.
Cristina: And shadow people are in all these groups?
Jack: Yes. It seems that every single group, without exception, except the Greek. It's unsure.
Cristina: It's unsure.
Jack: They have Naga. But I don't know if they've got shadow people. I don't quite remember.
Cristina: I can't quite remember either. There might be like one character that might be questionable.
Jack: It could be the case. There could be. But if they were, it was insignificant enough. Yeah, like they wouldn't stand out to the point that we would just memorize. Because I know Kido. Kido out here making experiments, trying to recreate Naga. That stands out off the top of my head. You know, I know that there is a plethora of different creatures they interacted with a thousand billion trillion times, but I can't actually pinpoint or think of an instance in which the Greek had specifically a shadow person.
Cristina: No, but we know they were going to the Shadow realm.
Jack: Yes, yes, we know that they definitely figured ways out. They had gates and they were. Man, they would have to have had a shadow person that was just useless or something. Right.
Cristina: But then how would they have made the gate in the first place?
Jack: They don't need a shadow person to make a gate.
Cristina: How would they know about the Shadow realm?
Jack: Just the same way a bunch of other people do. They do weird things.
Cristina: I Don't know. That's very weird.
Jack: I'm sure they would still know. You're assuming a weird level of ignorance here. You're assuming that they're aware of things that they're not aware, that they simply. Like what then? What's your competition? You believe you've already figured it out. There's nothing for you to figure out if you believe you're the top because you just don't know what they're doing. You must have known or caught whiff of something in order to experiment in that direction. Otherwise your stories wouldn't claim that the Aletians are anything. You already believe you're the best. Okay, you get my point. You would already believe you're the best.
Cristina: Okay, that makes sense.
Jack: Presumably, so I don't know. If there is a shadow person, it's in somebody irrelevant. Somebody in the background.
Cristina: Yes. But they do have a gate, and.
Jack: They have a what?
Cristina: That they do have a gate to the shadow realm. That seems like the thing that all three of them have in common. Then.
Jack: Which was their gate? I don't even remember their gate in the maze. Oh, crap. Yeah. We just talked about their maze. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're totally right.
Cristina: They have one for sure.
Jack: But. Yeah, for bare minimum, there is one. But if you think of that narrative, it doesn't include anything. It just really has these Chimera. It has Poseidon, who's just a Greek guy.
Cristina: He's the one making the.
Jack: Yeah, he's the one who made. He didn't make the maze, but he made the creatures that guard it.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And the guy who made the maze is just one of the gods as well. Like, none of these people are.
Cristina: There must be a reason. I don't know.
Jack: I mean, obviously there must be a reason.
Cristina: What do they get? Do they cross? I mean, they don't cross, but, like, who's crossing to visit them? What are they doing with those people?
Jack: That is the question. Right. I couldn't find anything on that while looking at that, because I'm like, you clearly have a gay. And, you know, deep dive into find anything.
Cristina: And we know it's the entrance, and then we know the mentor is leading them to the group or at.
Jack: Out of the maze.
Cristina: Out of the maze to the group.
Jack: Out of the maze. Never said to the group, okay, out of the maze. They're being led out of the maze. I don't know who's greeting them at the other end, or if it's just like, hey, you're free. Go do what you gotta do for.
Cristina: Them just to, like. I don't know. Because we know there's a group of scientists in the Shadow Realm that don't communicate with anyone, or at least the other ones. If they're not communicating with them, then maybe.
Jack: That's fascinating. The group that Lucifer and Lilith went and made the Shadow Gods. You're totally correct. You're really right. Okay, hold on. Let me go look at the Shadow Gods real quick, because there's a bunch of individuals. We got Lilith, we got Samael, which was the physical copy that Lucifer embodied.
Cristina: Weird.
Jack: Samael is also Lilith's hubby. I guess he's in love with her. We got Bow. We got. Yeah, it's a bunch of people, bro. We got. There's a bunch of Shadow Realm individuals from the Shadow Realm. Shadow Realm?
Cristina: Are they just sticking to the Shadow Realm or are they coming over here?
Jack: There's some Elysians, Belial. There's Azazel, the Elysian. There's Abraxas, the Elysian. Interesting. And these people are the rejects. Those that do not want to work with the Mayan, the Elysians, or the Egyptians.
Cristina: But they got my. They have Alicians with them.
Jack: They have Elysians with them. But these are outcasts.
Cristina: Yes. Because, like, how is the Greek gonna touch the other group? It has to be, because they have some help. People can't just be alone.
Jack: You know what? We've never connected this before, but this is legit. They have a gateway. The gateway is heftily protected by overpowered creatures. Things that are monstrously overpowered.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And these creatures are protecting it, guarding the corridors that you'll, in theory, get lost. And if you tried to get to that door, and maybe that door connects direct. Now, there's no way to get information from the Shadow Realm directly. We always have to kind of, like, telephone our way there by this person. And it's from this side or came over here. So we don't really know where the other side of this doorway goes to. No, but in theory, if you're. If your idea holds up, it could just be into the literal lab of the Shadow Gods. Yeah, it could literally be right there. There'd be no way to know.
Cristina: There'd be no way to know. But, like, there's no way the Greeks got this advanced just by themselves. It's. There's no way.
Jack: Well, their sciences are completely different. It would have to have been by themselves. It would have literally had to been by themselves, because their sciences don't reflect any of the other three sciences. Now, we Know that the shadow people. Not shadow people, the shadow group. The shadow gods took a lot of data.
Cristina: Yes. We have no idea what they're working on.
Jack: And we have no idea what they're working on. Exactly. We just know that they took a lot of data. So they at least know. And again, a bunch of them are Elysians, a bunch of them are shadow people. Some of them are earthrealmers that came from. Are they all Elysians? We got one Elysian, which is Samael. Interesting. We have.
Cristina: We have Lucifer that wants to share the tech with anyone. So like it wouldn't. Like he'd be cool with sharing it with the Greeks. He wants to share with everyone.
Jack: But the Greek specifically don't want to share it. They're also a private. Specifically a private elite group who feel better than the commoner. Which would actually. Interesting point that you'd mentioned that. Because that directly violates what Lucifer would want to accomplish. Because Lucifer wants to spread it. Which if we think about backwards initially, who we thought they were maybe communicating with was probably Jesus, because Jesus is about sharing. And the shadow gods would also be about sharing.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So that seems like a more likely connection. Except we have no idea what's on the other side of this gate in the labyrinth. And it could totally be the shadow people.
Cristina: There's no stories. Grrr.
Jack: Oh, there is. Abraxas is one of the Egyptians. He is not an Elysian. Oh, so they got somebody. Because he is one of the Egyptians. He has access to the data of massive energy collection and he has data to manage energy storage, which was the Egyptians goal to begin with. And looking to see if there's anybody else here who stands out. Not really. Everybody else is either on it. There's no Mayans in this group, which is very interesting. No Mayans in the shadow gods, but we do have Egyptians and Alicians and shadow shadow people and their djinn collection. Of those three, I don't know. I guess it's possible. It's possible. It's be. I mean, that group in general does not like the other three groups. Yeah, and my enemy's enemy is my ally. Would suggest that the Greek and the shadow gods would work together to accomplish a mutual goal. But maybe. So we know that the Greek interact with the Elysians to a very low degree. According to the texts, they go to the top of the mountain where it's very restricted. The Greek have to choose one individual who's allowed to go to the top.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And communicate with whoever the h*** is showing up up there. For trade of. I don't know what. Presumably information. But I don't understand to what degree, because, again, they don't like each other and they don't tell us. And we know that the Greek do, in fact, indulge in all of the adrenochrome variations. So they don't have access to the stones. On top of the fact that we know they don't have any stones. Mm. So that wasn't shared information. They also don't know about the plants. That's not shared information.
Cristina: No, they don't know a lot. I don't know.
Jack: So maybe they know of all the accomplishments, but not how. It's like, do it your way.
Cristina: Oh, I guess that's something. That's still something.
Jack: That's still something. It's like we accomplished this thing.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: But the problem is they are considered enemies. According to the. Not the Greek, according to the Mayans, according to the Egyptians, which both have giant, massive records depicting the interaction between both of these individuals.
Cristina: They were enemies.
Jack: They were enemies. So this is purely diplomatic. This is not a requirement. This is, in any case, the Elysians being most likely strong armed by the other two assisting groups. And so we gotta have peace. We can't just be monsters out here. So we're gonna have a peace treaty and we don't have to share information. They're still our enemy. But we're not gonna be hostile. We just keep it minimum, keep it diplomatic, nothing more.
Cristina: Yes. I think it's for that mountain. They wanted that mountain as their property. But it's in Greece.
Jack: Right, In Greece. Interesting. Mount Athos and Greece.
Cristina: Why fight about it? Make a little trade.
Jack: Okay, so what you're talking about is an embassy. It's neutral territory from another country because it's theirs.
Cristina: It's on their property, but they still don't own it. But they don't own it.
Jack: Weird, right?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It's on their property, but it's owned by a different group. And the rules establish it. They can't even make it to the top on their own terms. They're like.
Cristina: It's very complicated.
Jack: Yeah. What we used to think was magic is just literally technology dampening fields of some sort that just stop things from working that aren't Elysian tech.
Cristina: The flying horses. Flying.
Jack: Well, unicorn.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Wait, what?
Cristina: No, was it the unicorn? There was a horse that they said would just fly up the mountain.
Jack: The unicorn.
Cristina: Wait, was it a unicorn?
Jack: Yeah, the Mary took up to the top.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Yeah, it was a unicorn, which is an Elysian invention.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: By the way, that's another example of the differences in these technologies and these sciences in which the Elysians can just make a horse that seems to defy the laws of physics. Meanwhile, the Greek had to actively kind of work around that because they couldn't break the laws of physics. So they made a chimera that is a horse and some sort of a bird.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Allowing the bird, the horseburg, to flap its way up the Pegasus, that horse.
Cristina: Thing did not survive because they didn't have multiple of any animal. So these experiments were kind of failed experiments. They had to be.
Jack: I mean, they might have had multiple of them. There's a bunch of depictions of the Greek gods on Pegasus flying around and crap.
Cristina: I always see it feels like there's only one in the story. Do you think there's multiple?
Jack: I don't know in what story?
Cristina: In Greek stories, there's only one. Usually. Like the pet of one of them or something.
Jack: No, like Zeus will roll on a Pegasus and so will, like, Poseidon roll on a. Everybody has a Pegasus. I think. Yeah. I think it's easy to make. If anything, it's just not the same as a unicorn. No, this straight up violence. But now, knowing this, we do know that Hermes was in direct connection with Jehovah, which means the Elysians, which explains absolute violation of the laws of physics.
Cristina: Oh, yeah, that does make it make sense. Yeah.
Jack: But that's another thing.
Cristina: How you.
Jack: Why do you need both Hermes and the stones?
Cristina: Well, Hermes needed the stuff.
Jack: I don't know. I guess he does.
Cristina: They do need it. But he made them.
Jack: Yes. He can make the stones in any case. Yeah. He must be teaching them what his grandfather knew, which means Hermes. It's weird because it's also like Hermes interacted with a Yahweh, which we could find nothing on. Found nothing on Yahweh. That guy is secret. He must be so important in some way because he's about as secretive as Hermes. We know so little. He might. There might have been a necromancer in the bloodline, and that's why he's so unheard of, because Hermes was hard to find. We only found shreds by looking for like a year.
Cristina: But we know more about him. We definitely know more about him.
Jack: Yeah, we don't know crap about Yahweh.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Maybe focusing on Yahweh and really granularly picking it apart, we would come across like, oh, yeah, he turns out to have been a necromancer. Even if Jehovah isn't He at least has some of the data. But I guess I would violate the rules of being a necromancer if you just pass it on. Or it wouldn't even matter. If you taught somebody, they wouldn't grasp it. That's the point. Like, you could literally hand it to somebody in its entirety and they still.
Cristina: Be like, what the h***? Gave it out to everyone. We have copies of his work now.
Jack: Yeah, and 100. It was for everyone.
Cristina: No one can decipher it, though.
Jack: You require the teacher.
Cristina: Yeah, that's part of it.
Jack: That is part of it. You gotta seek it, but that's not enough. You gotta seek it, find it, understand it.
Cristina: Yeah, it's like you can read it and it makes sense, but it doesn't make sense the way he understood. He. Yeah.
Jack: And he could just violate the universe in front of you and you would still be like, I don't know how.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: It's a teach you. Hands on step by inch by inch, centimeter by centimeter.
Cristina: What? I don't know. He's some type of alien. I don't know how he figured it out. If it wasn't through something else, you would think was. He's a C person though, right?
Jack: We'd have unclear. Interesting enough, it looks like he might have been one of the Greek.
Cristina: Oh, crap.
Jack: But even they don't have access to this. So what? Super mega trader. But also, he existed far before even the Greek civilization.
Cristina: But you think he's some type of human?
Jack: I think that's one of the rules. You have to be.
Cristina: Yes, that is one of the rules. But, like, huh? He was one of the original humans.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Huh? No. But didn't they need the stones to make the humans? Unless it wasn't a good stone.
Jack: It wasn't a good stone. Right, because he perfected it with the hermetic seal.
Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay.
Jack: He perfected it. Hermes perfected the stone, thus being credited with being the creator of the full functioning, overpowered, destroy the laws of physics stone. Now, he already knew how to do it as a necromancer. But with the stone, you could hand somebody who doesn't understand the ability. That's the point of the stone. You hand somebody who doesn't grasp it, somebody who didn't graduate your class, they can still violate with the stone.
Cristina: Okay, that's the point.
Jack: You can either learn it. That's the hard road.
Cristina: Yes. Or you can use the stone. But then why does Jesus need the stones when he has it already? He's got the abilities. He is a Necromancer.
Jack: Yeah, because that was the whole point of him dying. I guess in the case of Jesus, it wasn't that he needs the stones, is that he needed them not to have it.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It's not about him using it, it's about them not using it.
Cristina: So he's not trying to make anymore, he's just gathering what's he's trying out there stop.
Jack: He's actually doing Jesus stuff. Okay, let's stop death, let's stop evil. Which is literally what he preached. Dude, Jesus on paper kind of turns out to be kind of what? It's hard to say he wasn't who he claims to be and who people say he is. Maybe not the son of God in the way people think. I understand that this guy was just a person of high statue and we literally found out that the word God just translate to person of importance. So interesting that he was just the son of somebody really, really, really important that a lot of civilizations thought was. He was the president of the world, essentially. And that's his son. Yes, something like that. But everything surrounding Jesus and all his aliases and his entire path and the people who saw him and what they talk about him that they preach for infinities, and entire religions and cults that formed around him all said the same thing, we must stop the violence. And we, you know, love each other. And everybody talked about the same thing. And then he. He dies. He could have sent anybody to do this. He dies, goes to the other side, goes find it himself, and then comes back.
Cristina: I guess there's something sketchy about him, but at the same time, he's never done anything wrong. Like, even when he was going to. Through China to get to Japan, he just was giving people inventions. Like, yeah, there's nothing weird.
Jack: Like there's something really absurdly sketchy about him for sure, but.
Cristina: But he's like Roger from Rogers. Mr. Rogers.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, it's weird. Like he seems really out of place and heftily sketchy, but there's like no reason for us to think he is.
Cristina: Because no one who's met him has anything bad to say.
Jack: Nothing, not a word. But there's still something wrong about him.
Cristina: I don't know. The weird thing I think is the whole Bible thing, because it was the Alicians that are behind it to make Jesus look good, even though they're scared of him. Like, it's. It's very conflicting in that way. Like, why. Why are you protecting him? But you're afraid of him. Is he good? Are you scared of him. Do you want him to look good so that they won't. He won't come after you because you're hiding from them?
Jack: No, no, no, no, no. The whole Knights Templar fix the narrative and alter how it works has a lot to do with. We cannot have people think we're the bad guy.
Cristina: Well, they're not in it at all.
Jack: Who?
Cristina: The sea people.
Jack: Yeah. So if we make Jesus absurdly good and they just obey him, but we twist his neck because he already had everybody's. He had everybody in the palm of his hand. Easy.
Cristina: Exactly.
Jack: So we got to just. They're not gonna not listen to him.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: We just gotta change what it is he's saying. You get my point? They can't control people following him. That's already a done deal. We just gotta play the long game because we can. And humans don't live nearly as long as we do and change the narrative so that. Yeah, Jesus, sure, whatever. The big bad. Awesome. Yeah. The way we decide.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: As opposed to. Well, he's just telling them we're the bad guys. Now we just alter that and say we don't even exist.
Cristina: Yeah. He's not gonna change it because he doesn't care. I don't know.
Jack: I don't know.
Cristina: He doesn't care. He's not looking for them.
Jack: No, man. That's the weird part. There is some sketchy crap like that. It's like you're preaching all this s*** and ultimately you still let the Elysians kind of do whatever the f*** they want to some degree.
Cristina: Yeah. They're so frightened by him, but they won't. They're not trying to stop him and he's not trying to bother them as far as we can tell. Like, we originally thought that was happening, but, like, maybe not.
Jack: Maybe not. It's like he got the stones and then what? Yeah, the end.
Cristina: Like, maybe they are afraid of him, but like, more like a lion or something. Like, it's not a fear that he's evil or anything. It's just a fear that he's stronger. He's like, if we by accidentally did something to him, he would do something to us for sure.
Jack: Yes. And the same thing comes to mind with Mab. Like, what's her problem with Jesus?
Cristina: What's her problem? What does she do or not Jesus.
Jack: But she's scared of something. She's trying to fix something. She's trying to hide from something. She's trying to prevent something. And again, we know that the Alicians made Jesus and she preemptively 200 years prior, maybe seeing the data sends elves as a firewall everywhere.
Cristina: But that didn't stop anything.
Jack: That didn't stop anything. It was too late.
Cristina: Okay, I don't know. Because it didn't do anything.
Jack: Yes, I know, duh. But the idea was for it to. The idea was for it to stop things. It's actually send them there to do nothing. She literally, according to what it says, has sent the elves there to stop the progress. It didn't work. But that was the plan.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So she was trying to stop it.
Cristina: Maybe she was trying to stop something else.
Jack: Then she's trying to stop more Jesus happening. Well, she was trying to stop Jesus happening to begin with because it was immediately before that.
Cristina: How much before? You said 200 years.
Jack: 200 years ahead.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: To stop Jesus. Or presumably, I don't know what the h*** it was for, but 200 years ahead. So as the data starts rolling, as the science starts rolling.
Cristina: I don't know. That's weird because it doesn't seem like they're doing anything or they are doing what they're supposed to be doing, which isn't making sense to us.
Jack: They failed, which is what we also found out. The point was for them to stop them, and it did not work. But the point was for them to stop them. That was the point. That was what was written.
Cristina: Who said they fell though?
Jack: The fact that Jesus came to exist.
Cristina: Kind of tells us that was their actual goal, though. It was exactly their goal.
Jack: Their. The existence of the elves was, according to the text, to stop the advancement of civilizations, while the creation of the Naga was to help civilizations advance.
Cristina: That's so weird.
Jack: Well, no, because the. It wasn't like they. She made them both at the same time. The Naga that helped the elians showed up 12,000 years ahead, so clearly she wasn't expecting 12,000 years later for the advancements to get so out of hand that something like Jesus would happen. Thus throw the firewall in there 12,000 years later. It wasn't like this happened this minute and five minutes later I threw that in there. And thus I both gave you the thing to advance you and the thing to stop you.
Cristina: Were they were there, though, to kill off the Nagas. Wasn't there a story like that or.
Jack: No, no, the Nagas and the elves don't interact.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Yeah, the elves are just there to prevent civilizations from going beyond a certain point, hence are calling them the firewall. If this turns out to be some sort of sim, it's preventative. Don't go beyond this line, the Naga are an assistant program, the AI that's helping whatever place they land.
Cristina: Okay. And they're still around trying to stop something that's already. Who?
Jack: The elves?
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: Maybe. I haven't heard about any elves lately.
Cristina: It's very strange. I don't know.
Jack: Yeah, for sure. But we don't know what the point of Jesus was. We don't know whether he was a good guy or bad guy. But we know Mab was definitely worried about something. Mab was definitely trying to stop the Aletians from getting farther. The existence of the elves was to stop civilizations from getting farther. And they were hit by one. But it didn't work. Presumably because Jesus happened. Unless that wasn't what they were trying to stop.
Cristina: Yes. And what were they trying to stop? I don't know.
Jack: And then we end up with weird things like, you know, fairy forts and crap like this in places that aren't the Isle of Man. Which suggest giant fairy death collections, you know, genocides of fairies. So we know that maybe some of these firewalls have failed.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: There are grave sites.
Cristina: That seems like the Shadow realm has more to do with the deaths of fairies than to do us.
Jack: Well, no, because the forest would have happened. That happens when you kill them in the Shadow realm. That's how we got the Forest of Shadows.
Cristina: Okay, but you're saying the fairy forts.
Jack: Are fairies dying on this side?
Cristina: Okay, so there's someone here.
Jack: And we literally know of the Elysians hiring people like St. Patrick to dispose of things like the Naga that aren't theirs.
Cristina: Interesting.
Jack: Okay, because of, you know, he got rid of the snakes. We know exactly what you're talking about, homie. Which means there was. We know that there are city of cities that have Nephilim living there with Naga living there with human. With collection. Collections of different things.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Was Ireland dominated by Naga? Was it a Naga settlement? And then you send a necromancer to dispatch bows of it, genocide style. But you don't just kill them. You get rid of them. But what are you gonna do? You're just gonna really waste that life? Was there a stone made there?
Cristina: Possibly. I mean, he is a necromancer.
Jack: Op. Necromancer you get easily.
Cristina: Yeah, I feel like. Yeah, that makes sense. The death wasn't on for nothing. He got something from it.
Jack: He got. It was a perfect exchange.
Cristina: I think so. And then he died on that mountain. And then he came back down.
Jack: Weird.
Cristina: Maybe that's what happened. I don't know.
Jack: Is that what Happened?
Cristina: No, I just know he was on the mountain for a long time speaking to God.
Jack: All these guys do that, right?
Cristina: Yes, but here's another thing where he.
Jack: Goes to the mountain to speak to an Elysian. Come on, bro. This story checks out. Yeah, weird.
Cristina: Well, he makes that weird island. I don't know. But then that island seems like that island. Oh, he had. He made some. A facility on island, though.
Jack: No, that was Mananan, his direct rival. He was one of the Elysians who just did not like St. Patrick.
Cristina: Didn't St. Patrick's though, have some area of worship? Some building we saw pictures of on Ireland?
Jack: Yeah, it was on Ireland. The island that the was the Isle of Man and some other crap was for the Elysians that were sent there to run experiments, which Mananan was the leader of.
Cristina: Okay, so St. Patrick's gonna have some weird building.
Jack: Not that I know of.
Cristina: Thing, man, I just. I remember something, but maybe it wasn't him. I don't know.
Jack: No, as far as I know. Let me see what we can find here.
Cristina: Because I thought he ended up, I don't know, doing some kind of establishment on a island for people who worshiped him or something.
Jack: No, that's. It was a research facility in an invisible island. Yeah, that was Manana.
Cristina: Oh, that's Monanan. Okay.
Jack: Yeah, that was just a place for them to go live and be away from people seeing them.
Cristina: Oh, my gosh. And which guy is Mananan Maranan is the Elysian that was on the island as well.
Jack: Yeah, he was the one who kept having beef with St. Patrick.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: But St. Patrick was sent there overriding an elation, which goes to show how op that guy is.
Cristina: Yes, but that's because of how op necromancers are.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And we're still believing that St. Patrick is one of the whacker necromancers because we have examples of things like St. Nicholas overpowered individual. And Hermes, which. Whoa. We have four different possible necromancers. Hermes, Nicholas, Patrick, and Christ.
Cristina: Was Marilyn that one.
Jack: Who?
Cristina: Marilyn Merlin.
Jack: That's five. Oh, you're right. Oh, we got a couple of necromancers going on. Not a lot.
Cristina: No.
Jack: But five is a nice amount.
Cristina: Very spread out.
Jack: And one of them is way overpowered, which is Hermes. It seems like nobody is touching that guy's level of opinion.
Cristina: Maybe Jesus. You don't think?
Jack: Maybe Jesus. But Jesus also required a couple of things, Right. He still needed the gate to get back. It seems like Hermes even violates that necessity.
Cristina: Yes. Okay.
Jack: I picture Hermes Being so overpowered, based on the difference between the depictions of these individuals. You could see him stand in front of you and him be like, watch. And he just phase out of the front of you. He's just not there suddenly. And then he's like, look behind you. And you do. And he's like, look what I got from the shadow realm in this one moment.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: I think that level of overpowered is what we're dealing with here.
Cristina: That's pretty ridiculous, but okay. Yeah.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: And then Jesus maybe is more like Santa. Or do you think he's above him?
Jack: I would argue that the tier list goes as follows. Jesus is. It's Hermes at the very top, then S class, not Jesus. Yes, Hermes, then Jesus, then Santa, then I guess either Merlin or Patrick.
Cristina: It has to be Patrick. Only because we know more stories about him doing crap. He's doing a lot of crap.
Jack: Fair, Fair. But Merlin had some op scenarios too, especially dealing with fairies.
Cristina: Very small compared.
Jack: Yeah, I mean, I guess so did. I mean, really? Yeah. He was dealing with a single fairy.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Who was kind of trolling him a lot.
Cristina: And then ended up killing him.
Jack: And then ended up killing him using his own method. He tricked the guy to kill him the way he was trying to trick. So he was like the Wagner necromancer.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: In any case, it was more like Alexander the Great who didn't graduate the school. He was a flunky.
Cristina: So maybe Merlin's was flunky.
Jack: Maybe he's not a necromancer. But he. No, he still had some kind of overpowered things. He could alter a time.
Cristina: Come on.
Jack: Sop. He was definitely a necromancer. He just didn't get it the way these other guys do. And I guess there's degrees of getting it.
Cristina: Oh, yeah, I would think there's.
Jack: So the range is Merlin on one end, barely a necromancer, but, like, way more overpowered than an average human to the point that humans could not touch this guy in a million years. And then Hermes, where necromancers couldn't touch the sky in a million years. And if we put St. Patrick in the middle and say he can easily dispose of an entire island's worth of fairies, then how overpowered is Hermes at the top? And how scary is then Jesus, who's right behind them?
Cristina: I don't know, because we don't see Jesus doing much. No, it's like scary actions.
Jack: No. But it seems like he can violate physics quite heftily, but not so much that he can come back from the Shadow realm without a gate, even after dying. And he knew this?
Cristina: Yes, he did know that.
Jack: He knew he couldn't just come back.
Cristina: Because there's some things he just can't understand from. From the teachings.
Jack: Yeah, I guess.
Cristina: Yeah, I guess.
Jack: And so the guy who understands it, because it's the guy making up how he's discovering it. He's discovering every part. And then he's trying to teach the people, but it's too hard would be Hermes. And Hermes is somehow immortal. And the line that never leaves me is him stating that you cannot find me amongst the people. You can only find me amongst the information. And that's weird, man, because that means at some point he just gets more abstract and more abstract and like he's more God than God at that point, right?
Cristina: I guess because he's in the data that makes us human or whatever. Like in the matrix. He is part of it. Like he knows.
Jack: Yeah, he can. He's watching us try to figure it out right now.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And he's conscious. He's consciously watching us. But he doesn't even have to be physical to do it. We know Jesus was literally born with the ability to also just see what we're doing, even if he doesn't understand it.
Cristina: Doesn't understand it. What do you mean?
Jack: What? Where he. He might hear us and see us and we might discover something he didn't put together.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Well, Hermes, on the other hand, is just watching to see if we figure it out, because he would have already known.
Cristina: He's way more. He is God, isn't he? Is he not?
Jack: He would be the highest tier of anything as far as we know. Okay, so then the question would be where the elves sent her to stop Hermes. Because Hermes is giving information to the Elysians and that's too overpowered. F*** the stones. That's not even an issue. Hermes is.
Cristina: Hermes is. I don't know. Where does he fit into the timeline? There's so much Hermes seems to pop.
Jack: Up literally as written down. According to the mentions of Aristotle, he can be dated back. Now, Aristotle wasn't at this time, but Aristotle claiming what he knows of Hermes. That Hermes could be dated back to about 12,000 years. Now this is a direct mention. While the exact knowledge details that are attributed to Hermes have being discovered them could be traced to about 55,000 years back around the time presumably Yahweh was around.
Cristina: How much?
Jack: 55,000 years back. So even if Aristotle believed the first recorded actual interaction is from some note he saw, that doesn't even exist that he was just talking about explaining that this was about 12,000 years back. That's just the first recording that survived. The data was already put together by that time, which we know for a fact through the notes of the Knights Templar claiming things from 12,000 years ago and the experiments that were initially beginning at that point that sent Jehovah into the shadow realm in order to get the fruit to begin with. So 12,000 years back, the knowledge was all together. That's just when we happened to see the notes together. But it was all already put together. Somebody put it together.
Cristina: So he had to be before then.
Jack: Yes, presumably by the time of Yahweh, which is about 55,000 years BC.
Cristina: And the fairies pop up when again, the elves.
Jack: Yes, because fairies have been around elves. Elves specifically. About 200 BC.
Cristina: That's still kind of a giant. That's a gap, isn't it?
Jack: Yeah, but I don't think there was an issue yet. Until another necromancer starts to show up.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: St. Patrick happens after Jesus. Nicholas happens after Jesus. Merlin happens after Jesus. The order really starts at Hermes and then Jesus. So there's a necromancer, presumably for hundreds of thousands of years. Fine. Oh, my God, they're about to make another one. For the first time in all of history, you're about to make another one. He figured out how to teach it or how to do it or something. And he told these monsters they're about to make another one. Then Jesus is about to happen. Send some. I don't know. You know, theorizing. I don't know.
Cristina: It makes sense. It's the closest thing we got to something. I don't know.
Jack: Yeah. It's just so convoluted.
Cristina: It's a mess of a history because it's not really written anywhere.
Jack: A bunch of these things are written.
Cristina: But not like owl like, oh, no, obviously.
Jack: Yeah, exactly. We have to find shreds and whatever. Nothing is like, this happened and then that happened.
Cristina: We can just get a history book with this information.
Jack: Yeah, I know. That's what sucks, right? It's just like, oh, we got to go to this book of that guy who mentioned knowing this dude at that point who knew about the thing over there. And then he said this one line. Yeah, it's just cross referencing and just picking out the things that literally line up when you cross reference.
Cristina: That's the best we can do.
Jack: That's the best we can do. Which leaves us with nothing but a crazy amount of assumptions and weird data. Oftentimes zeta we don't even understand.
Cristina: Yeah, there's a lot of data.
Jack: There's a lot of data. So, yeah, I don't know. It's very complicated. And somehow that ties into the labyrinth, which is a doorway, and the Winchester house, which is doorway.
Cristina: There's doorways everywhere. Yes. It's just weird that the Greeks have a doorway. Yes. You don't think that's weird?
Jack: Not when everybody else has a doorway.
Cristina: I guess they know, or we know that they know for sure about the other side.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: All of these groups know because of the shadow realm. Creatures, though. They know.
Jack: Not necessarily. I'm sure that different. Again, you're very wrong. Because of the judge.
Cristina: The judge? Oh, who stumbled upon it. Yeah, I think they could have stumbled upon it.
Jack: Clearly, a random individual just got there. Presumably he died somehow and didn't realize it. Yeah, but he still got there. And he happened to be under the right conditions that he could just get back.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: So people can just find it. Yeah, Assuming the conditions are right. Or where the judge stumbled through a necromancer portal or something. Something broke the laws of how things should work, and he strolled through the gap.
Cristina: I don't know. He must have died. That is a good idea, because, like, humans can't walk into there.
Jack: Not physically, no. So not physically. It's not a physical location.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You're only physical on this side. How do you get over there without consuming adrenochrome or something? Unless he did.
Cristina: Oh, I guess that's the case. That could have been.
Jack: Just had no idea.
Cristina: Not part of the story. Yeah.
Jack: Casually. What he had to do. Strolled in. Well, but you didn't really stroll in. He could have just been walking. A tree fell on him, and it was instant. No suffering, no nothing. He has an idea what happened. He's just there one minute and over there the next. But he just so happened to be around the right spot that there is.
Cristina: A gate to come back.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And to anybody on this side, you walk through a gate and you haven't had adrenochrome. It's just. It's just a weird rectangular shape you can walk through. But to him it wasn't. But then also his sister could go in eventually. Because he showed his sister how to get there.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: He took Inano.
Cristina: That's strange.
Jack: So presumably the judge in his family had some sort of ritualized thing happening. No, but there's a. There's a problem there, logically speaking. How do the h*** did he. I don't know. I don't know. How did they come back? I know the gate is how they got back, but she wasn't there. She. He came back through and then showed her. He told her about it.
Cristina: I don't know. And there's something. That story doesn't make sense to anything.
Jack: There's. There's some broken logic happening there that we don't know, but let's try to reason it out, because, okay, this guy goes into the Shadow Realm. Let's assume he did die suddenly, and he shows up in the Shadow Realm. Maybe on the trip he was just walking one day, died suddenly, showed up in the Shadow Realm, popped up super quickly elsewhere where there was a gate. He just happened to travel the right route to end up at a gate he didn't notice. He's like, whoa, this is weird. Not home. He went to work.
Cristina: Oh, yeah.
Jack: So he goes back through, comes back in and exits back at home in a different port. He found both gates. Lucky you. Yeah, two different gates, in and out. So after work, he comes back, he frequents the path. He memorizes the path, and then he gets to his sister, who is not. It's not that she's over here on Earth Realm. Assuming this family just has a ritualization of drinking blood or something, and her body is drowning with adrenochrome regularly. And they have no idea what adrenochrome is. They've never heard about it. They're just doing what people do.
Cristina: I don't know. Maybe because, like, it's very easy for them to, like, live there. I mean, she lives there. She swaps on someone there, like, right?
Jack: Except she's alive. How did she swap? How does she go into the Shadow Realm? Is what I was trying to get to.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Drink all the adrenochrome you want. How do you walk? Even Jesus had to die.
Cristina: Yes, that's true. I don't know. Okay, continue what you're thinking.
Jack: Right, so maybe they weren't born on that side. Maybe they weren't born on Earth Realm. Maybe these were never humans.
Cristina: I just thought they were.
Jack: Maybe they were born in the Shadow Realm, and so these gates are just easy to walk through.
Cristina: Okay, they just lived in human lives and then they swapped. I mean, they called themselves human lives because they didn't know.
Jack: They didn't know. And through some manner, shape or form, they were physical on this side. And it wasn't through adrenochrome somehow. These are jinn, who had no idea they were jinn. And then they cross easily. He literally stumbled upon it. Get the f*** out of here. That violates everything.
Cristina: Maybe those stories of the jinn swapping out babies with their owns are true and this is what happened. Like they had normal parents. Maybe.
Jack: Fascinating.
Cristina: Like, what if this is an example of one of those stories of like, Yeah, a baby swap and no one noticed, or they did notice something different about the baby, but they couldn't put.
Jack: Their finger on it. Yeah, maybe this was a perfect. Maybe you only swap babies that could trick a human.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Which means that there were people capable. No. Oh, my God. It's so complicated, because then you got to think about that. Inanna trade places with Ixchel, and Ixshel is one of the Egyptians, particularly with Idzamna, that's his wife. And so these two individuals come together and then work with the Elysians. And the Elysians are the ones who discover the method of turning somebody into physical from the shadow realm. So it could not have happened before then.
Cristina: Couldn't have. What could happen?
Jack: Somebody be turned physical from the shadow realm because the experiment was Lucifer and it is. Is mild.
Cristina: Yeah. And you're saying that happened way later, after this happened. This didn't happen after that.
Jack: Well, this happened. Well, actually, we don't. Actually, I have no idea, to be honest. If this happened because we know it did happen.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But I don't know what timeline. So in theory, it could have happened long before they even started working with the Mayans. It could have happened long before then.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And then these individuals are experimented on in the shadow realm. So even the falling apart of the. No, it doesn't. Yeah, well, yeah, there is. There are no Mayans in the shadow group. There are no Mayans amongst the Shadow Gods research team. There are no Mayans.
Cristina: What's your point?
Jack: Well, the Judge is a Mayan.
Cristina: The Judge is a Mayan. Crap. I don't remember where the Judge came from.
Jack: And so is Inanna.
Cristina: Oh, my gosh.
Jack: And Inanna swaps place with Ixcho. Ixo then marries Izama for Maya.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: This could have. The Mayans could have happened way later.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And also, we don't even need the Egyptians yet. All we need are shadow people and the Elysians in order to get the experiment that led to Lucifer having a physical form. And we have no timeline for this. We just know it happened. We don't know in what order it happened. And based on the logic, we don't even need Egyptians or the Mayans.
Cristina: Exactly.
Jack: So this could have happened many years. Could have happened with the entire group already there, and then later, even Egyptians Going in without there ever being a. A Mayan in the group. That never happens. They're running experiments and figuring out how to imitate what happened with Lucifer, who did it. And so did Ismail. They went to the Shadow Realm, where Jinn replace babies with.
Cristina: Yes, I think that makes sense.
Jack: That makes perfect sense. Yes, that makes perfect sense. The experiment that happened over here with Ismail and Lucifer. Then they get outcast and they go into the Shadow Realm to form their own group. That research still exists. They were the literal source, the literal subjects of it. And then being the literal sub, they have all the data. They can recreate it. They could keep that experiment going a bunch of times and then slowly replace people on this side with Jinn.
Cristina: I don't know what's that for, though.
Jack: But they're physical Djinn.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: They're not human.
Cristina: No.
Jack: People who can just enter the Shadow Realm.
Cristina: Maybe we need to look at those stories again. Look at the stories about.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: What people think is happening when they're swapping these babies.
Jack: Well, I can tell you one really interesting thing. The original point of Jesus was somebody who can cross the Gates easily. Right. Go in and out. And even Jesus had to die. The golem could phase in and out.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: He couldn't enter Elfame, but he could enter the Shadow Realm effortlessly, meaning a lot of different groups. Maybe all of these groups still wanted a way to traverse easily. And the only people who figured it out were the Shadow Gods.
Cristina: Oh, that makes sense.
Jack: They figured it out in the Shadow Realm. And then they invented the method of swapping babies, which then allows people on this side to raise them. Eventually they might stumble into the Shadow Realm where they can get the proper education. And she literally swapped places with another Shadow creature, but one that wasn't physical.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: When they had to become physical over here in her adult life, while this one was born thinking she's human and could literally just walk through the gate with her brother, who literally just walked through the gate and entered the Shadow Realm, which for other people, it was probably just a random structure. Yeah, the Shadow people figured it out. Man. Everybody figured something out.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: If they all work together, would be scary.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Unstoppable.
Cristina: But they have to be working together in some type of way, I think.
Jack: Like, do you think the Elysians are working with the Shadow People that they directly discarded? Not the Shadow People, but the Shadow Gods that they discarded. The thieves, the liars, the people who were using the tech and stealing the tech and doing whatever the h*** they wanted with the tech.
Cristina: I don't know, over time things change.
Jack: I think. No, I think these are just ways that I think it eventually leads to warfare. And these are methods do it.
Cristina: Okay. Think there's gonna be a war.
Jack: Not literally a war, but it's a tactical. We have to get a one up. It's deterrent. It's all deterrence for war. Oh, yeah. The Alicians can do this, that and the other. Yeah, well, we got this, that and this to stop them from f****** with us. Okay, you get my point. It's not we're going to war as much as it is. We need to be able to be sure they can't just come and f*** us.
Cristina: Everyone fears everyone in that type of.
Jack: Way because everybody has different weapons, everybody has different abilities.
Cristina: None of the fights are similar actually fighting anyone. There's. Because it's not about preparing.
Jack: It's not about fighting each other. It's not about fighting each other. It's not really about fighting each other.
Cristina: No.
Jack: They just know that these people are effortlessly and ruthlessly willing to run experiments that would kill people. Don't run the experiments on us. That's all it is.
Cristina: It's about defending themselves.
Jack: Yes, they know they're factually gonna kill however many people. Don't let those people be us.
Cristina: Weird, man. Those are. They have to be. They have to be Shadow Realm people. They just didn't know it.
Jack: They didn't know it. And the science must have already existed in order to do it. Then in the Shadow Realm, they go ahead. But they needed models. That's at least a part of it. They needed a model, which is why they steal the baby in the first place. Oh, stealing the baby isn't even about the swap. No, you need the template. You're gonna turn the Shadow person into.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So they just kidnap babies, kept the babies, probably. And use those same babies for others.
Cristina: Yeah, probably for adrenochrome too, because they still use adrenochrome.
Jack: They don't need it in the Shadow Realm.
Cristina: Oh, yeah, yeah, never mind. I wonder what they're doing with these babies then.
Jack: No, actually, maybe you're right. Because at the end of the day, if you look at things like how the h*** did Abraxas enter the Shadow Realm? Abraxas had to die. And Abraxas needed to consume adrenochrome. So did Ismael, because he was also an Elysian. These guys needed sustained sources to not lose. Although the Shadow Gods that entered, like Lucifer and Lilith, they were born on the other side. They never needed adrenochrome. Abraxas, Azazel, Ismail. They did in fact need to not go crazy on the other side. You take the babies, you make the template for the child you stole, send out a jinn baby that replaces the spot. And now you would have a child who you can consume the blood of. So you don't go feral on this side, because you're not actually from this side.
Cristina: Yes. Horrible solution. Yeah.
Jack: So when a baby is replaced, it has nothing. It has less to do with the replacement than it has to do with the shadow gods trying to stay consistent.
Cristina: Yeah, that's. That's so disturbing. But.
Jack: And because they were human, it doesn't work. You. And not. And not that it doesn't work, but you. If you don't have it, being on the other side doesn't work. You're useless to them. They must continue. There must be a sustained source of blood. Of blood. Keep taking babies.
Cristina: Yeah, well, so they're still doing that. Probably.
Jack: It's weird because in theory, the template has to be done on this side. You can't cross the baby. It's a human baby. How are you gonna take it?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So the baby gets snatched. There must be labs from the shadow gods over here in Earthrealm.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And then gates that maybe exist in labyrinths so they can come in.
Cristina: Whoa, where have they been?
Jack: And houses like the Winchester house.
Cristina: Yes. You think they're in Clinton Road? Who's there?
Jack: It could totally be too. It could totally be too. All these maze like gates could be in service of the shadow gods working alongside, adjacent to them, with the big one having been the Greek one. But there are others that have nothing to do with them. And all the discussions we know about these churches and the blood rituals and the Viking are all the same voices from the other side telling us what to do.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Even creating the f****** golem was the same. They kidnapped a bunch of children, drank the blood, heard voices and told them how to make the golem. Which we assumed was the shadow gods.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And that would fit perfectly right here in the middle of it with the kids, with the blood, with the Elysians that need that to be sustained with the. Finally, an explanation as to why these people would be swapping babies in the first place. Because that made no sense ever.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And now it does. Because we know that there's experiments that allow them to turn Jin into a physical earth realm being. And maybe some people are just growing up like that, thinking they're human. And you just troll in. They figured out what nobody else Could. It required a lot of murder and kidnapping.
Cristina: But I guess that's nothing to them. I don't know.
Jack: There's nothing to them. You already outcasted us and you guys are killing way more. Yeah, yeah, we're doing it. Showing you it could be one for one, not millions for one.
Cristina: That is. That's pretty scary though.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: But it makes sense, especially in clints and world, that we don't know what's going on. But people are being. They're missing.
Jack: People missing.
Cristina: Literally many people are missing. There's obviously some type of labyrinth in there. Underground, above ground as well.
Jack: Yes, yes, yes. Oh man. I knew this would go somewhere that would be useful.
Cristina: It's disturbing, but it's all right there.
Jack: And we know, we literally know that the thin places along the literal Clinton road allows people to see weird things. Kids and other crap that just aren't even there. People who seem ethereal and not real and then suddenly they're not child around people. That is a hot spot for a reason, isn't it? Maybe that is a lab where they make people who are only ever seen coming out. But because there is a gate, you can't see anything when you go in. You're just human. They can come in and out. It always looks empty.
Cristina: That's always looks empty. But you always see people coming out.
Jack: You always see people coming out. They can come out because they're jinn.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Who look human, who are physical.
Cristina: They just come out looking like these white robed people. Those aren't.
Jack: No, those. Those people just wander outside. The people that they see come out are just look like rednecks.
Cristina: Oh, okay. Well, those are jinn though.
Jack: Those are the jinn. Those are jinn made physical that could just exit and you could go in there and not find a f****** thing.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: At night fear is heightened and people are more scared. And it's already a spooky spoken of place. So you start seeing things, but the fear is amplified and so the veil is thinned. But the veil thinning has nothing to do with the gate you cross through which the gate so happens to be on the nameless road that comes out of Paradise Road into the town of Paradise. There's a literal gate there somewhere and they can come out. But nobody who's not a djinn can go in.
Cristina: No, you just get lost.
Jack: And that's why that place looks rustic and ignored. Because it is on our side. There's nothing there. Yeah, there's nobody there. Nobody lives here on our side.
Cristina: Yeah, over there. They're doing things.
Jack: That's exactly what the f*** is happening, isn't it? That explains the people come out, but nobody ever being seen inside. When we walk through a gate, there's a million Shinto gates in Japan.
Cristina: You can walk through them all you want.
Jack: It goes nowhere. But what are the stories about those Shinto gates? Oh, the spirits come through them.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Well, that fits every suit we're talking about. Holy.
Cristina: Yeah, that's. That's it. I don't know.
Jack: Yeah, I guess that's really it. I guess that's really a town of Jin. And that's. Yeah. On the other side. And just like the explanation of the shadow realm. It's an estimation of Earth realm, but jumbled up and weird and messy. And when the veil is thinnest, they come through. No, they can just come through the gate. When the veil is thinnest, it's. You start seeing the shadow realm side. So the streets start to change and whatever. And it's because you're seeing kind of the overlap of both of these two places.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It only happens at night.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And there's never a single light because they're all in the shadow realm side.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: They don't need light. It's different over there. Whatever the case might be. They can see or whatever.
Cristina: Yes. If they have lights, it's still over there. Anyway.
Jack: Interesting. Dude, that explains so hard how they're coming out and nobody's ever seen going in because they just. If you were to watch them, they would just disappear in front of you. You can only see people leaving and go in and be like, what the f***? There's nobody in here. He was just hanging out alone.
Cristina: That's very strange. Yeah. Someone's always leaving the town that's empty.
Jack: Yes. You can only see people leaving. And you could only ever see them leaving from the outside of the road.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Into Paradise Road. That's it. You see them coming into Paradise Road. That's it. You never see the nameless road be traveled. You never see anybody in the town of Paradise. Never.
Cristina: Never.
Jack: But you see people in white robes roaming around. Maybe people who know this fact. And they're just friends of the guys who come in and out. These are just people living life. You can go to the store.
Cristina: They're probably still in part of a culture.
Jack: Like these gods who were. Yeah, interesting.
Cristina: Probably going on.
Jack: Fascinating. Wow. We really got to something that made perfect sense according to all the laws.
Cristina: We figured out a few things, I think.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The babies too.
Cristina: Babies. Always thinking about those babies. It didn't make sense. It never made sense.
Jack: Never made sense. Never made sense.
Cristina: But now it kind of makes sense.
Jack: It does. Man, that's crazy. That's blowing my mind. Because it makes so much f****** sense that it just explains paradise so well.
Cristina: There's just so much not right with that place.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: It's too.
Jack: Too strange.
Cristina: Too abandoned. Too weird.
Jack: And now we got people coming out with an explanation as to how. Because the Judge just strolled in.
Cristina: Yeah. How did he do it?
Jack: And then we have. I don't know why we didn't connect the docs before, because we saw. We know of the experiment. We know of the experiment that made a Jin. A physical being.
Cristina: But the whole time, not knowing the timelines of these events, it's really. Yes.
Jack: Makes it hard. So if we had a line drawn through it that explained that, we could have put this together sooner.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It was like, oh, obviously, over here, they did the experiment, and then this many years later, the Judge walks in.
Cristina: We have no idea. So it just seemed like an odd story, but now it makes sense.
Jack: Yeah, they seemed totally unrelated, but obviously these guys first went over there, and then we never thought about the whole. Well, Abraxas just went into the shadow realm. Get the f*** out of here. No, he didn't.
Cristina: No.
Jack: Didn't just walk into the shadow realm, bro. That's not how that works. We know that's not how that works. And we didn't even question it.
Cristina: We probably questioned it, but just never got any answer.
Jack: Yeah, there was no answer to it.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And now there is the babies that are f****** kidnapped.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: They're a template. And they are fuel to sustain a physical form that had to die and go to the other side and must continue to consume in order to not go feral.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And if they did eventually go feral, they were executed on that side or whatever.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So it must be consistent. And that explains children going missing today. And that explains places like Paradise.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Where maybe there were humans. Maybe that's really what's happening with the Druids. They're just waiting to be the one. Oh, I hope I'm the one chosen.
Cristina: To do what?
Jack: To be able to enter. Which means you have to die, but you have to be also you. There's. There's Pete, there's humans, former humans in paradise that are continuously fueled, hence the people go missing. That's what's happening.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Because otherwise, if it was just Djinn and you got the baby done, what do you need to keep taking people for? These people can just walk in and out they were born on the Shadow Realm.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: You're kidnapping people because you need the source for something else. We thought it was a stone, but that doesn't explain the town. No, the stones don't explain the town. Especially if you don't have a necromancer. How the h*** you gonna make a stone? It makes perfect sense if you're not. And you just. You. Cuz blood is easy to come by.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Wolves randomly stumbled upon it by f****** accident. Easy. You're already scared. You're already in this place. You get kidnapped, you go somewhere you don't f****** know. Probably the bottom of the f****** castle. Where there could be a harvesting station and a lab to turn the gin.
Cristina: Yeah. It could be all right there.
Jack: It's all right there.
Cristina: There's like so much area. There's so much happening. I don't know.
Jack: It's all happening now. The question would be, okay, we know what's happening, who's doing it? Because I know it wasn't the same guys from all the way over there in the Middle East. There's other groups of people who figured it out from the Shadow Realm. Maybe this spread like wildfire in the Shadow Realm. They're like, wow, we could just go live in earthrealm.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And then these are ways they did it. And so we. But also, we're talking about the most haunted place in the entire planet. Which isn't in the Middle East. It's in New Jersey, man.
Cristina: It does make the whole. Oh, they didn't understand our rules. So they didn't, like you know the legal part of it, that they didn't get in trouble. These foreigners. Like that was where the shadow around people. Of course.
Jack: Of course. Oh my God. Oh my God. And also, you couldn't even chase them. You had to concede. You try to follow them into their home where they just fled back to. How are you gonna get there? You don't. You just. Oh my God. They disappeared.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: The f*** did they go? And this happens every time you follow them. You have to concede. You have to be like, f***, no. They just won't let them go. We can't. We can't figure it out. We can't figure it out as hard as we try. Now, in theory, you could imprison one of them, but you gotta get to them before they get back home. But even though it doesn't matter, it's too overpowered. They could just still f*** with you from the Shadow Realm without ever having to come out. So yeah, it is a Matter of. We can't win this battle. No matter how we look at it. We got to let them go. We got to just work with them. We can't. We can't. Nope. Oh, my bad. Foreigners. And they were the ones running. Explains. Like sketchy people coming in and out. Everything is so explained right now. It's crazy.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Just with the judge and the baby swapping so much crap suddenly makes sense. I was also haunted by the baby swapping. To be honest, I was totally haunted by that. But. And the judge walking through the gate. That never made sense.
Cristina: That never made sense. We probably came up with different explanations and none of them.
Jack: None of them made sense. We tried our best, but it's three major events that make everything make sense.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Lucifer using Ishmael as a template to become a physical being. Babies being kidnapped, which is essentially just most likely people being kidnapped in order to have a template to make Djinn into physical beings. And then the actual example of a person who we thought was human straight up walk into the Shadow Realm without dying.
Cristina: Crazy.
Jack: Crazy.
Cristina: That's crazy.
Jack: Those three instances connect in such a way that paint us a beautiful picture.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: We figured it out.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Wow. Which means that is actually a lab at the bottom of the castle where you do the conversion process.
Cristina: Yes. I mean, if we go down there, it's probably so it's. It's nothing but like on the other side.
Jack: To be on this side. Because the baby has to be on this side.
Cristina: Oh, no.
Jack: That's why the castle needed to be knocked down. You can't have access.
Cristina: Yes. That's so scary.
Jack: And then people go missing. But there is a secret way in.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Most likely in the town.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It must be on this side. It has to be.
Cristina: They're stealing babies not just from that forest, but from every town they connected to.
Jack: Well, it's not babies in a lot of these cases.
Cristina: Oh, they can just tell anyone.
Jack: Yeah. This mill was a grown a** person who. Ismail was a scientist and he volunteered as a template for Lucifer. That was a grown a** man.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: This grown a** man. So you could just kidnap people. It's just easier if you like this. The. The judge and his sister just happen to be people who didn't know. And there's probably a bunch of people like that.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: But you're taking the template to just, you know, read and spread and whatever. And eventually they can maybe. The envision. I mean, that's so Lucifer. Envision a world in which we're all equal. That's such a. It's A hundred percent shadow people doing it. Yeah. That's such a f****** Lucifer fueled idea.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Just share our ability. Look, eventually they'll just be able to find us and come and we'll all be equal. It's like, that's. But you're kidnapping and murder, man. You clearly. I know you think you're the good guy, bro.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Not to say Jehovah is. Jovah's not the good guy. He'll clean out the earth if it f****** filled him with joy and fulfilled his goal, which he literally did at some point. Yeah, but Lucifer, man, you still kidnapping and killing, bro. Always been the case. Entire civilizations collapse because you want to share too much. Like, how are you any better?
Cristina: I don't know. He is.
Jack: I don't know, man. That's crazy. That's nuts. As the experiment with Ismail and Lucifer, the judge and his sister and babies being swapped all connect beautifully to explain everything that's happening in Clinton Road.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: That gives us the lab underneath with all the facilities, the extra chambers, the room so people can sleep. Dude, you harvesting people down here. You draining people for blood and you're using them as templates in order to change. And then the people who are showing up back.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Are just Jim.
Cristina: And they're thinking like, there's weird blood rituals happening in the castle before any of this. So like. Yeah. They were probably right established at that time.
Jack: Yes. And it was happening over. It was probably just happening in the castle.
Cristina: Well, it's just one of the ways in.
Jack: Yes. And they were like, somebody stumbled, saw it, talked about it. Then, you know, the mayor sends the people in and they start to investigate and then they stumble upon the thing and it's like, look, bro, you ain't never say anything. Yeah. You try. Try to talk about it.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It's like, look, look, bro. I'm gonna just not that we never saw anything.
Cristina: Exactly.
Jack: And then eventually we knock this place down, you guys keep everything you got, keep it to a minimum, and we're good. That has to be it.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: D***, bro.
Cristina: They're definitely paying them for it. To not do anything about it.
Jack: Because they were getting money.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And these people work, but they don't need money. They just want to live amongst the.
Cristina: Humans and eat the humans.
Jack: No. Well, what the h*** would the people who are physical not to do anything with the humans. Jin. Don't need blood.
Cristina: Oh, then who. What are they doing again in the.
Jack: The needed the blood in the basement. They just need templates. So that gym.
Cristina: Okay. They need bodies.
Jack: They need bodies. They don't need blood. And so once they got physical forms, they don't need to bother anybody.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: I can go work, make money. My entire community of people can make money. And we can pay you to leave us alone.
Cristina: Yes. They're still killing the people. They're making templates of.
Jack: Yes, 100%. Maybe there's two or three people that look exactly the same before they get rid of them.
Cristina: That's crazy. I don't know.
Jack: Weird. Two or three. Doppelganger. That might explain the f****** concept of doppelgangers, too. They don't actually kill everybody.
Cristina: Yes. The only reason I think they must, because people do go missing.
Jack: People do go missing? Yeah.
Cristina: Like, unless they're like, you're now gonna live over here. I don't know.
Jack: No, I think they do. I mean, they can't. They're still human. They're probably just trapped in the basement as blood fuels for something. Yeah, fair enough. If there are humans who did cross again, maybe druids or some s*** like that that eventually do cross, they're still human. In order to be sustained, there must be blood.
Cristina: Yeah, that's. I'm saying.
Jack: Fire. Fire. A lot explained. That's really cool. It was very complicated.
Cristina: Very.
Jack: All right. Anyways, yeah, we definitely did. We definitely got to the bottom of this. A bottom of a lot by accident. So, yeah, if you guys have any more input on this, any connections you've made by listening to us that we clearly did not, because we missed some things. Yeah, we always connected it.
Cristina: Now.
Jack: Yeah, we just. A bunch of crap we clearly missed has just been connected. So if you guys have any idea, if you realize anything in the middle of this, let us know. You can hit us up on our socials at justconville, Pod, on Tick Tock, Instagram, Facebook, wherever the h*** you want to reach out to us.
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