Rambling 279: Stonehenge

Why does Stonehenge look so familiar? Who built this interesting structure? What was its ultimate purpose? The duo accidentally stumble upon Stonehenge while investigating cold spots for paranormal activity. Between familiar designs to identical functions, the similarities and purpose of this place becomes way more obvious than could have ever been anticipated. 

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  • Stone Configuration
  • The Avenue
  • Legends and Folklore
  • Similarities to other Structures
  • Records, Documents and Texts

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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. Hahahaha. Baffling day will be in fact.

Cristina: Haha.

Jack: Why, if I were some sort of a mime thing. Not a mime. What do you call it when you stick your hand up a doll's a** and you. He's not a mime, he's a puppeteer. Ventriloquist. First of all, I've never thought of this before, but have we in society sort of classified these two people in the same group? They're kind of like doing something, but also is like, what you're doing is impressive but unacknowledgeable.

Cristina: What?

Jack: The mime and the ventriloquist. Have we been treating them like equals? Kind of like, yeah, you're here, but like, f*** you guys. And not a direct f***** you, like cool, but like passively cool. You're not even like, inherently cool. It's just passively cool. Yeah, like, yeah, I'll stop and look at you for like a minute, for.

Cristina: A second, I don't know.

Jack: And then I'm gonna continue on my way. Regardless how impressive what you're doing might be. Outside of my point, this is a show where we ground stuff. And that doesn't mean that we take things from the ground or that we put things on the ground in the ground in a literal sense. Because in a metaphoric sense, we literally mean. In a metaphoric sense, we literally mean we grab things and put them on the ground. That's what we mean in a metaphoric sense. We mean literally, metaphorically, that we would grab something and put it on the ground so that it's like based. Okay, no, but we don't mean it literally.

Cristina: Even though you're saying literally.

Jack: No, no, no, we don't mean it literally. We mean it metaphorically, but we mean that metaphor literally. Okay, so we're literally meaning that metaphor, but we're not meaning the sentence literally. No, we're meaning the metaphor literally. Of course that we're grounding these thoughts. We're putting them on the ground anyways.

Cristina: We're starting off with like pictures.

Jack: Yes, yes, we are. You get it.

Cristina: Oh, snap.

Jack: You get it. Have you been having fun with the new mysterious? It's always more mysteries. Have you been enjoying this new format?

Cristina: Yes, I guess, because it's very Strange.

Jack: It is, but it's the fact that this keeps happening.

Cristina: It's everywhere.

Jack: Yeah. So I want you to tell me and the listener, I love this because I never put the image up. I tell them I'm always gonna put it up. But nobody puts it up. None of us put it up. Nobody puts anything up. The notes go up. Nothing goes up. Nobody puts anything up. So we're gonna describe this image. You're gonna describe this image. I know exactly what this is. I had to. Yeah, but you're gonna tell me what you're saying.

Cristina: I can't tell what's in the middle. I see. It looks like grass. It's a bunch of. It's just. It's very plain, grassy looking, with a circle.

Jack: So describe the grass. What are we talking about, grass wise?

Cristina: I'm not sure. Grass green.

Jack: Yeah. Like what? Where?

Cristina: Where? I don't know where. This is in the middle of nowhere.

Jack: How is the grass distributed?

Cristina: There's a lot of lines everywhere.

Jack: Is it plains? Is it a field? Is it a golf course? Is it a.

Cristina: It could be a golf course. I don't know. But there's a circle with two lines coming out of it. And then two lines come going over that line. But in the circle, I'm not sure what's in that circle. Is it trees? Can you tell what that's.

Jack: Yeah, I know what's in there.

Cristina: Are those trees, though?

Jack: No, I'm not answering that question yet.

Cristina: Not rocks? I don't know. And the two lines that are going out of the circle, there's something, some other type of path going through it. That. Not grass. Is it a road? It might be a road. I'm not sure.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: But everything else. The lines that are in the grass don't look like road lines. Those are, like, I don't know, biker lines. Maybe someone made it with a machine. But, like, grass is still there. So it's been a while. There, the lines.

Jack: Okay. Yes.

Cristina: And that circle is not perfect. Like, it looks like it's cut up in one side of it. But I don't know if that relates to anything. Okay. And I don't know.

Jack: All right, now give me some theories.

Cristina: What do you think this is something related to UFOs?

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because it's a circle in a field.

Jack: Interesting. So it's a field.

Cristina: Maybe, but it's very plain. So maybe it's more like a fairy thing because they like to do it in planes.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Circles and planes are fairy related.

Jack: Like what?

Cristina: Like what? Like that. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. Like what reference? What you're talking about fairies and planes.

Cristina: Yeah. Make circles, I think. And then they usually. What's in the middle of them? I don't know. It looks like trees to me.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Are we looking at it? Far away?

Jack: Say it again.

Cristina: Is this far away? Are we far away from whatever object is in the middle of that circle?

Jack: Yes, we're very far away.

Cristina: So I can only imagine that it's trees, but there's something sticking out. A bunch of something. I guess it could be rocks. It could be one of those things where people put weird rocks, like the stone hedge. But I feel like it's still fairy related, not alien related. Especially if it's. I don't know. I don't know. There's something because, like, when it's alien related, there's nothing in the circle. It's just, whoa, a circle. And then. But because there's something in the middle that makes it also feel like it's more fairy related.

Jack: I like the pattern you're spotting here. I've never thought of this before. We have discussed many alien instances. All their things are very exact lines. There's never objects in them. That is correct. We've also discussed fairies to extensive, deep, extensive details.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they always have something in the middle, and it's usually a circle. You're totally right. I like all the things you're pointing out here.

Cristina: So. Am I even close?

Jack: What do you think it is? Three guesses. It doesn't matter.

Cristina: Is that what they're called?

Jack: Or fairy trees. Okay, well, fairy trees are in the Isle of Man. Okay, go on.

Cristina: Okay. It's. So it could be a UFO circle. Anyway. Even if there's something there, like maybe things grew in there after a while. Anyway.

Jack: 100%. 100%. Like, what the h*** are we looking at? Right? They favor fields.

Cristina: And if it's just. If it's unrelated to either, then I don't know, a real nice, interesting gardening pattern.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: It's possible. I don't know why you'd want to talk about someone who did.

Jack: You are absolutely right about a lot of this.

Cristina: Stones.

Jack: Stonehenge.

Cristina: It was Stonehenge. That poor photo is Stonehenge.

Jack: That's photo Stonehenge. Think about everything you've spotted here that we are very informed in right now.

Cristina: So far, you can't even tell that there's stones.

Jack: Yes. That's not even the point. You spotted every. Everything that mattered about this. All the similarities, every f****** ounce of everything that mattered you saw in this image.

Cristina: It's very Bad image?

Jack: Very. It was important this. The distortion of this image mattered. I chose it intentionally because it was very small, and then expanding it made it very hard to see what was in the middle. So that you don't fixate on what was in the middle. I know how you work.

Cristina: That's so crazy, because you can't really tell. Yeah.

Jack: It looks like a blob of whatever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But you noticed everything else that mattered about that, right?

Cristina: Those things matter, though.

Jack: Every bit of everything you spotted mattered. And a lot of these similarities are like, But the question is, how did we get here? Right.

Cristina: It's not fairies. It's fairies. The answer.

Jack: Well, let me answer the question.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: How do we get on this road to begin with?

Cristina: With the hole in America.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Or I guess even before that. If we're starting from the beginning.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: It was that lady's house. Yeah.

Jack: We're just looking for distortions in space time.

Cristina: And you think there's a distortion here? There's stories about this place.

Jack: That's exactly what the landed me here. And that's what's throwing me off. Because then you look at it and then you're like, huh? Before I even read a story, I know who showed up here. I know what they saw, potentially just based on what I'm looking at.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yes. Give me some guesses and I guarantee you're gonna be on the nose of what the stories relate. Just looking at the shape of that. Give me one creature. Just make it an educated guess. Think about it. Don't go out of the blue based on what you're looking at. Make it one educated guess. Just one educated guess. You're going to be right. There's enough variation that fixates on this that you won't be wrong.

Cristina: I'm not sure what you mean.

Jack: One creature. One creature.

Cristina: The. Based on what you're looking at, creature and not fairies.

Jack: Not a fairy, but a creature that 100% you think could.

Cristina: Shadow Realm creature, or you're saying anything.

Jack: Anything you'd like. What comes to mind? What would show up? Whatever you want.

Cristina: Werewolves.

Jack: 100%. Yes.

Cristina: Okay. I don't know what.

Jack: So Stonehenge seems to be among the top 10 most active places that have ever existed. When I dive into what Stonehenge is, we're gonna be like, oh.

Cristina: Now more than just like what they say of like, it's a calendar in a way.

Jack: Okay, let's go straight to that. It's a calendar in a way.

Cristina: So. Yeah, that's enough of that.

Jack: Yeah. Calendar. That is the Sort of basic narrative we get. Right. That's the accepted narrative.

Cristina: You can see the passing of the seasons on certain points or something.

Jack: The light comes in between the sort of rock formations and that it works kind of like a clock, but for months at a time. And seasons. And that's it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just a clock for months and seasons. Pretty basic, Pretty simple.

Cristina: Yes. I mean, it's still kind of complicated because it's so ancient to be doing that, but. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah, a hundred percent. And that's really, really, really badass about it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But then I just gotta ask some basic questions. When you think about what it looks like, what does it look like?

Cristina: What does it look like?

Jack: What? Describe what Gates. Stonehenge.

Cristina: It looks like gates. They're gates.

Jack: Tell me the complicated nature of this. This is absurd, right? Just knowing what we know in general, why is it that we see this formation that's happening here? So now we got a close up look. Describe the current image we're hovering over. Describe what Stonehenge really looks like as we see it today.

Cristina: A bunch of stones. Two stones. Two long stones going up, one stone on top. Like a gate because there's like space in between each one. How many are there? Because there's one in the middle, one on the outside. And it looks like there could have been. There's a little bit in the middle too, but that could have just been the. The ones that were in the middle broken up. So because it looks like a lot of them are no longer there.

Jack: Here's a better angle directly from on top. And to show this is gonna be.

Cristina: A perfect circle like it was once upon a time.

Jack: Mm. Mm. Yes. Yes, it was.

Cristina: Why? Why don't they want to fix that? That's so cool.

Jack: They can't touch it. No, it's ancient.

Cristina: No, they should. They should definitely. Oh, my gosh. That's also part of it.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Because I thought they were all separate stone doors or whatever you want to call it. Man, I wish we knew what the middle part would have looked like. I'm guessing it would have been similar, but it's hard to tell now because it's. It's so. It's pretty gone. Just the outside layers more together.

Jack: Pretty interesting, right?

Cristina: Yeah. Gates.

Jack: It looks like a bunch of gates put together.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So is that the case?

Cristina: Yes. No. I don't know. Yeah.

Jack: You think it's a bunch of gates stacked together.

Cristina: But who would that be for the shadow realm?

Jack: There's observations that must be made about this in the first place.

Cristina: Like where's he located?

Jack: Fair enough. Let us go all the way to the beginning and talk some rough details. Right. First again seeking space anomalies and space time disturbances. We get here and I got here because I found a bunch of weird stories which we'll get into. But it led us to Salisbury Plain in Wiltshire, England. That's where Stonehenge is. Had you asked me where this was, I would have never in a million years known. I would have thought one of these random countries or people yodel or some s***, ya know. Okay, now make a random guess at when this was built. We're gonna start where it matters.

Cristina: Where did it start? I don't know. It has to really. It's. Sure. I'm sure it's related to the sea people somehow. But like I can't pinpoint it.

Jack: Put random year on it.

Cristina: The. The year Jesus was born.

Jack: That's the year one.

Cristina: Okay. Year one.

Jack: No, way longer ago. This is the year 3000 BC. Pretty holy s*** kind of amounts of time back. Yes, let's talk details. 72 stones fill the outer circle. In the complete version, if you fill it out and you create a design that is perfect and flawless without any stones missing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: 72 stones fill the outside. It is in fact a full circle.

Cristina: Okay. Was the inside supposed to be the same though?

Jack: 15 arcs would form out of these 72 stones. That's two up one over every time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: 15 arcs will form the 16 sort of doorways. Like you said, they all look like gates. Yes, specifically like Shinto gates. They all have that same kind of flat top to very stable side entrances or whatever.

Cristina: This has to do with the Shadow Realm people. That's not my new guess, but. Okay, continue though, right?

Jack: Like there's something to it too specific going on here. Now, more importantly, and where my fixation rests, here where the most important. Again, why first? What the h***? Fifteen. I don't think those are games. Not the 15 on the outside. Right.

Cristina: What's in the middle?

Jack: In the middle there are five and those are not connected. The ones on the outside creating the sphere or not sphere, but circle.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Are all connected. They all share. Each one vertical shares two horizontal and that continues all the way around.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But in the middle, each one arc is formed of three parts directly. They don't connect. They are set into a sort of horseshoe formation.

Cristina: Okay, and you said. How many of them are there?

Jack: Five would complete the sort of primary inside part.

Cristina: And that's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. And then there's just an open space in the middle yes.

Jack: Now, do you remember what you saw in the other image I showed you? It was a circle. With what.

Cristina: The first image?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: The very first image was a circle with two lines coming out of it.

Jack: Right. Is that something those two lines, they're important. That you saw were connecting. I mean, think about what you're looking at. Here's Stonehenge in the middle. There's a giant circle surrounding Stonehenge. There's two lines shooting right out of Stonehenge. I'll shrink this. Maybe you get a better view of what's going on.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. Oh, wow. Stones. There's more gays.

Jack: Those two lines are engraved in the ground and those two lines connect directly to the river.

Cristina: What's for.

Jack: That's not the important part. It's not even that they line up and did they connect to the river. It's what they line up with. What they line up with the summer and winter solstices.

Cristina: Yeah. That's why people watch that when it happens. People just live stream.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Watch it.

Jack: Now let's think about this real quick because you know of something else that fits both the suits we're talking about right now?

Cristina: That's when the spirits are easily come out. Right. Is that it? I don't know. Close like.

Jack: Yes, close like. Do you remember something familiar directly connected the two solstices with two of them? Yes. I can give you the reminder if you need it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But if you can remember.

Cristina: It's not that what I said. No, it's relating to the two solstice. I'm not sure.

Jack: Okay, so if you remember, a long time ago, we were talking about El Castillo created by the earth gods, which is essentially a temple where the very entry of the temple is lined up with the autumn.

Cristina: But that was also because we thought it was a gate.

Jack: It was a gate. It was a gate to the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: And to Mount Cuff.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Think about the shape you saw and the fact that this one we're looking at is not lined up to autumn and spring, but rather to summer and winter. And it looks like a what?

Cristina: A pyramid?

Jack: Like a pyramid.

Cristina: Oh, I thought you were talking about the other one. Oh, that. What does that look like?

Jack: Yes, the one we're talking about right now. The giant circle surrounding Stonehenge is very different than the sort of pyramid requirements to reach the Shadow Realm. Pyramids seem to reach the Shadow Realm. We see mountains, we see pyramids. The Shadow Realm. But circles seem to be associated with what?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: You were just talking about it. What the h*** do you mean fairies?

Cristina: Fairies. Okay.

Jack: Circles and fairies. I don't know why, but the geometry says circles and fairies and pyramids.

Cristina: In the shadow realm, pyramids and the.

Jack: Shadow pyramids always either connect to the shadow room or teleportation. Okay, we don't have pyramids leading us to the fairies. Okay, but circles always have the portals that take us to the fairies.

Cristina: Mm. But it doesn't take us to the fairies.

Jack: It takes the fairies to us. Yes, but it's a way. It's a doorway.

Cristina: Yes, but only for them.

Jack: Point is that we see fairies connected with circles and we see djinn connected with pyramids and diamonds and triangles and those kinds of shapes. Okay, so it's just a random pattern. I've been noticing, tossing that in there.

Cristina: Okay, but what about the circles we were seeing. Seeing in that farm?

Jack: Which farm?

Cristina: The farm with the circles that were moving around.

Jack: Yes, that's then when the question comes into play. Right.

Cristina: Because that had nothing to do with berries.

Jack: Well, we don't know that. Think about the fact that we saw both a square in the ground.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which, when you funnel it becomes a pyramid and a circle. Both of them were at that ranch.

Cristina: That's very strange.

Jack: Yes. It wasn't one. It was both. A circle in a triangle.

Cristina: You think, together.

Jack: The same kind of sort of indentation in the ground.

Cristina: But it's different time periods. So it wasn't like they were hanging out at the same time together or anything.

Jack: It's just.

Cristina: It's the random.

Jack: It's the best spot to do it because of the activity there.

Cristina: Yeah, but this is. This is probably 100 fairy release.

Jack: This is 100 fairy.

Cristina: Okay, now or not 100.

Jack: I wouldn't say 100 fairy.

Cristina: Because other things pop up.

Jack: Everything pops up.

Cristina: Everything.

Jack: It's.

Cristina: It's a hot spot. Like the other things. The other locations.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: We've been talking about.

Jack: Yes, but what you gotta question is then why are there so many similarities? Right. We have the lineup with the solstices, but the opposite too. Instead of autumn and spring, it's winter and summer. So the deviation, immediately something changes. Yeah, because now we're not sharing the same solstices, but we're also not sharing where we're going. Something about that alignment connects directly to either the shadow realm or the fairy Elfame. Fascinating. Just a bit of information we've uncovered.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Some sort of something means that spring and autumn, Shadow, summer and winter. Elfame. I don't know how. No, I don't know what. How this connects. But that seems to be the case.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: For whatever reason, very random observation. But throwing it out there, something we know now, maybe it'll connect in the future.

Cristina: Yeah, in the future.

Jack: You know, just saying it out loud. Maybe somebody tells us something. The message like, hey, what about the. What the.

Cristina: And then it's like, oh, how did we not notice?

Jack: How do we not notice? So something about lining up does matter.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And you have to line up with the sun, the way the sun is tossing energy in your way. And how you're using the energy creates some sort of a riff.

Cristina: Yes, but the sun is just very powerful thing that everyone's figured out how to use. Besides us.

Jack: Besides us.

Cristina: I mean, we're figuring it out, but, like, we're not. Like, compared to the Egyptians in the ancient time with their pyramids, like, come on.

Jack: Yeah. No, we're definitely kind of whack. But maybe they took this long.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We don't know. Like, it's. We don't know at what point they were at what. And, like, also, all of them got cheated. They got extra. Not cheated. But they got to cheat.

Cristina: They got to cheat.

Jack: Yeah, we can't compete with that. They got.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They themselves are like, oh, yeah, they. Something helped us. Yeah, like, come on, bro. What's helping us? But then again, everybody feel like, oh, we're taking technology from the aliens.

Cristina: Yes, we are cheating too.

Jack: Then we suck.

Cristina: Then we thought, yeah, if everyone cheated.

Jack: Guys, look, let's say we're not cheating and we're doing it all on our own. Let's just. Let's take that credit. Because we have to say we're cheating. Yeah, if we gotta say we're cheating, we're bad about cheating. Come on, man. Come on, man. If we're just bad, then we're not bad. We're amazing. We're doing it on our own.

Cristina: We are really good. Because it's not us. It's these people who are good at hiding it. Like, we know there's the technology that people have that are teleportation. We know that's there. We have. We don't have it. But there's humans that do have it.

Jack: That we came up with.

Cristina: Those humans came, like, in the farm. They figured it out in the farm. Yeah, Scientists. They're humans who can do it.

Jack: Yeah. Without the question is without alien help.

Cristina: Well, with alien help by, like, they were investigating the weirdness, and that helped them.

Jack: Yeah, fair enough. That's usually how it goes. Right? It's science.

Cristina: And now they can live in space and we have no idea about it because we're not one of them.

Jack: That's f****** nuts. Right? The fact that they. Oh man. It's so nut. But this is kind of the same s***. Right? This is just way up there.

Cristina: Tech. Yes.

Jack: And then here's the thing. Here's the f****** thing. That's craziest. We've heard a thousand times that technology sufficiently enough advanced just seems like magic.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: God. Could that not be more true the more you dig deep. This just looks like lines in the freaking. But think about everything. This is a transmutation circle of sorts. That's all it is. It's channeling energy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that energy is lined up with the solstices. We've seen this before. El Castillo has the stairs completely lined up with the doorway in a slightly variation. Open so that it's tighter towards the door, more open towards the base. And then the walkway itself continues that expansion. Then has a little bubble and then spreads out. So it is self is in the form of a transmutation. The field that they designed around it. Transmutation.

Cristina: And the steps are weird too, aren't they? Like they're really big or something.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: All of it for humans.

Jack: Yeah. The steps are abnormally large and in odd patterns. It's like everything is designed with these sort of geometric shapes in mind. All of it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But when it's a gate or you go somewhere that already has a shape. Someplace tall enough that already has a very triangular shape.

Cristina: Talk about a mountain.

Jack: A mountain. How would you compensate for the mountain if you wanted to make a fairy gate? Because now we can differentiate. We know what a shadow gate looks like. It's some sort of a Shinto fairy gate.

Cristina: I guess so. But like the one in the house. What did that one look like? If we can picture what the inside of the house looked like.

Jack: It was. There's. That's the most f***** problem. We have no idea which side she was inviting in. We assumed Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: But it could have been either or and both. Because there was no description to anything. It was an empty room. There was just a little shrine area in the corner. And the hooks. That's it. Nothing more. No description. I have no idea what she could have been doing. But the house itself was a giant shape.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In this same case. It's the same idea. It's a bunch of structure surrounding some kind of more important center. Like the seance room. This pattern representing itself again. And it looks too obviously like a gate here though.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But now 15 doorways. I don't think they were doorways. Maybe something else, some help channeling.

Cristina: But five doorways?

Jack: At least five doors. That brings up a problem. Why five doorways?

Cristina: So, okay, you think it should just be one doorway?

Jack: It should be three. Well, it should be two, depending on where you are. Unless it's multiple doorways, the same realms. It's not like a realm doorway as much as it is like, well, that one goes to the Shadow Realm here. That one goes to Shadow over there. That one goes to Elfame. Those two go to other parts of Earth Realm, you know, because there's five and you're already in earthrealm. Do you see? Okay, so there's five destinations. You'd only have two other realms to go to. So they aren't realm portals directly. Unless they are they, you know, more than one repetition. It could just be like Mount Kaf goes here, and this is Mount Olympus and this is Athos.

Cristina: That's if it's ferry related. It has more to do with what's on the other side. Like, they're not all coming here through the same place.

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: Well, the people that are living in the ferry place, if the humans there, I guess. Humans?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: They're not in. Why are they going through one gate into here? Wouldn't they go like a bunch of different places? Like, I don't know, like if you and a friend from Korea want to take a gate to, I don't know, gta. You just. You, you do it where you're at, but you still meet in the same spot.

Jack: I understand what you mean. I understand what you mean. So she's Korea, I'm here. We both go in through our gates and we're going to like, Las Vegas.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we both just pop up in Las Vegas. But there's two different doorways. So there's the Korea doorway and there's my doorway.

Cristina: Yeah. Because I don't know what the Parry world works like, but, like, if it's.

Jack: Like that, if it's another layer, then yes. And what this is showing us is that that argument holds more water. Because why can't they just pop up? Why do you need a door? We need a door to get to you. Why do you have a you made door? You wouldn't need to make a door.

Cristina: Well, they've always needed a way in.

Jack: Which also explains the seeing of the. Because we already know that there are the fairy forts that are made by fairies, which have the grass, the trees, circles.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then one tree in the center, it's a wall. Of trees. Perfectly. Then an empty grove in the middle with one tree in the center. And all of them look identical. And then the Mad Maid fairy forts that we just craft around an empty field. And then boom, a tree shows up in the middle following the same idea.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. I don't think they need something to get.

Jack: They've always needed some sort of a path. Which means they can't just hit a button and show up.

Cristina: But whatever they. When they do make a path here, there's no way for us to use that path. Which besides the necromancers, who's figured out. But they really can't go in it either. They just.

Jack: They have another way.

Cristina: They have another way.

Jack: Yeah, but here is the thing. Think about what you just described and tell me how is that any different than a Shinto gate?

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: From over there, you can come over here. What happens if you walk in through a Shinto gate on this side?

Cristina: Go to Shadow?

Jack: Since when?

Cristina: Oh, not us.

Jack: No, Nobody. Nobody goes in through a Shinto gate and goes to the Shadow Room. It's a one way gate.

Cristina: It's a one way gate too. Yes, that's true. Okay.

Jack: They're both just one way gate. So you can only come from that side, this way. You can't go from this way, that side.

Cristina: Well, they may. They maybe can.

Jack: As far as we know, we can't go through it.

Cristina: Yes, but they could probably use those gates back.

Jack: Yeah, but I was only kind of answering to the fact that you said it looks like a one way gate.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So.

Jack: Yeah, I could totally. Yeah. I don't know if you want to argue your own point. Sure. Yeah. My point was.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If it is a one way gate, how is that any less one way than a Shadow Realm gate where they can only come in?

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: You know. Yeah. It's exactly the same idea. So there's too many similarities here to ignore. Now let's break apart some of these details. Other than the size and the fact that we got five doorways, which brings up a thousand questions. I hope it's more than one destination in the same realm. Because then I'm confused about. Then what the h*** are the other three doorways? Because, okay. Elfame and Shadow. And then what were the Norse people closer to it? And it was closer to seven. They had five or seven or nine.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: If there are two doorways that are purely different destinations and the other three are supposed to be different destinations, then. Holy. But again, it could most likely just be like Earthrealm Destination 1, Earthrealm Destination 2, and Shadow Realm Destination 1, Shadow Realm Destination 2, and Alfame. Or all elfame destinations. You know, it could just be whatever. Who knows?

Cristina: Yeah. And be impossible to know.

Jack: Yeah. The lines coming from the structure, the ones lined up with the solstice, are called the avenue.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Just giving that information if you feel it's relevant. It consists of groves and connecting lines, and they connect to the nearby river near Stonehenge. Now, where I landed here initially was looking for disturbances and things. I did find weird disturbances and things. And you dive into these reported oddities. You would find reported oddities very quickly. This is when temperatures drop suddenly in climate. You just go ahead and go into the Weather Channel, find a location just like, okay, where. Where have there been abnormal spikes that you guys have been like, huh? And then there'll be weird registrations, and you can like, oh, what year was this? Or whatever. Now, when you do that, you can find consistent spots of weird kind of activity like that. And then if you go and find. Sometimes it's nothing. 99% of the time, it's nothing. It's like, well, you're in a weird hole that you can't really tell in the map. And so wind always works this way here. And so there's an updraft that always sends all the hot air up, and then this causes all the cold air down. So it's abnormally cold here always.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's like, okay, yeah, that makes sense. But sometimes you're in a place where that shouldn't be happening. Like a giant empty field in the middle of nowhere. There should be no cold air just suddenly collecting different than the surrounding areas.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So when that does happen, maybe you.

Cristina: Look into it and also what's happening.

Jack: Yeah. And so you look into the fact that, like, holy. So this place is just a giant cold spot place, and it's already Stonehenge.

Cristina: That's pretty strange.

Jack: I got here through the cold, and then I'm like, holy. Really?

Cristina: No, we got there through the cold.

Jack: I got there through the cold. I wasn't like, oh, Stonehenge. How weird is this place? It's like, it's Stonehenge, and we're just weird people who. It was probably really easy to build, and we're just like, What a mystery. Except, d***. Okay. Like, everything was justified the deeper you dig. Yeah, fair enough. Everybody was right. It's weird. Weird. It's strange.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I was hypocrite. I'm like, everybody's an idiot and easily Impressed. And we could have probably built this easily. It was like definitely. It's not about that. We could have definitely 1000% have built it. That's not the point. It's what it looks like, where it is and why. That's where it's like, oh f***. Yeah, we could have built it. But why did we build it? Why, why did we built it? So the legends that got me here initially there was a story about the devil that bought these stones from a woman.

Cristina: The devil somewhere.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That bought these stones from a woman and he bought the stones in Ireland and he brought these stones from Ireland and he took these stones and he placed them here and he was to humiliate the woman. Salisbury Plains, by the way, is the part in England where it is Salisbury Plains in England. So he puts them there, positions him and he's like, hahaha, nobody's ever gonna know why these are here. Yeah, she's never gonna, she's gonna tell everybody. Oh, he tricks me and he put them there and nobody's ever gonna believe her. And the people who do find these are never gonna know why they're here and it's gonna be ridiculous. And hahaha. That's like a real folklore story. I don't understand sort of the premise of it, but yeah, like, the devil tricked her. It's probably some sort of like money moral story. Don't give your money to the devil because going to humiliate you.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or some like that.

Cristina: That works. Sure.

Jack: Now, dancing stones, there were some ballerinas or something. Giants. Because of the area where. And keep in mind the area we're talking about is England. So we're right next to Ireland, right next to like the northern part of Europe where we're getting like weird fringe and like we got the, the Vikings up there and crap like that. So giants. Giants.

Cristina: Do they mean giants as in giant giants?

Jack: They mean tall giants. Not as the right. Nephilim. Giants.

Cristina: Okay, just checking.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: But also Nephilim were huge too. That they could be both sizes according to some. So whatever the case might be. But giants the words.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so that these stones were actually giant ballerinas dancing that had been petrified suddenly. And so that's what it looks like. They were in the middle of choreography.

Cristina: And then something just scared them.

Jack: Something not scared them, petrified. Turn them to stone.

Cristina: Turn them to stone. Oh, okay. Was it Medusa? Okay.

Jack: Don't know.

Cristina: What a weird story.

Jack: Another story is that they were placed there by deities or something and had Healing properties, you know, basically.

Cristina: I'm sure. Sure.

Jack: That's the obvious one, right? Yeah, I see. I like. I don't like the duh. But then I came across a sentence where I was like, okay, because. Because that. To that point, I'm like, okay, maybe there's cold spots and stone change, but.

Cristina: Like, there's nothing there.

Jack: This is stupid. Yeah. Like, it's getting pretty dumb. There's nothing. And you look at these stories deeper, you dive into any of them, and it's like, you guys are crazy. There's no basis here for anything. It doesn't connect anything. It doesn't make sense. It's nonsense. It's nonsense. It's legit folklore.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Until the title of one story, I didn't even have to jump into story yet. It said the fairy Stone, which just justified so many things I already had in my mind.

Cristina: The Fairy Stone.

Jack: Yeah. I already looked at these and I'm like, I see what this is. And I'm already like, yeah, exactly. And I'm like, this circle. Huh? I see what this is. I see a gate. I see fairies, you know?

Cristina: Yeah, I see.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. It's all there. I see weird things. And then this person's like, the Fairy Stone.

Cristina: I'm like, oh, that makes sense. Yeah. Okay, but say more interesting.

Jack: So this local legend was basically that fairies built this place, and it literally. Literally. The legend is not me adding any sauce to this, that it serves as a portal to the fairy realm and other realms.

Cristina: And other realms.

Jack: Yeah. But okay, it's. It could just be multiple destinations in one room. It doesn't say each story is a different realm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So.

Cristina: Yeah, I'm thinking that's exactly what we thought, though.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah, that's crazy.

Jack: Now this 100% serves the fact that people have seen the weirdest s*** here too.

Cristina: Bigfoot, I don't know. Like what?

Jack: No, like werewolves.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: But when you see a werewolf in the middle of nowhere, you're not really seeing a werewolf. You're seeing something that kind of looks like a werewolf. You're seeing, like, a wet shudder and dingo, you know, it's the spot where you would see that, which the theory is, then something must have happened here longer ago from this point that made this the viable spot for this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It must be so long ago that it predates any of our ability to track recorded records and that we have to find, like, tracking down the Aliasians and, like, finding out about Loi Shreds. A little tiny sliver of a mention somewhere Must exist. About that, about this spot. Something must have happened here.

Cristina: It was what it is. Before the stones.

Jack: Yes, before the stones. And we're talking that you guys have a area that seems to connect to multiple points from one place. The amount of entered. There must be something. There must be a lot of some things in shred. Just a tiny sliver. But a thousand times, because enough people would have known about however much death took place to make that work. I believe that's trackable. I believe that must be incredibly trackable. We just don't have this, the context of philosophy, the sort of thought tools to be like, if I see it here, then I can apply that logic over there. But you have five portals in one location that go to different destiny. It doesn't matter how many. They could all be on Earth. You have five portals in one destination. Bare minimum. If every doorway is a portal, how many people died to make it work?

Cristina: How many people died?

Jack: Do you see why it couldn't be? I don't think it could be. I don't think they could all be doorways. And also like, what?

Cristina: No, it couldn't be.

Jack: There must be some channeling nature to them.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know how, but like.

Jack: Because they're also connected. There's something weird there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't understand the design for that.

Cristina: But it makes sense in the way that the house makes sense. Like she did so much crazy things that look like nonsense. But it made it work. We don't need to know what it is, but obviously it takes a lot of whatever.

Jack: Yes, it's random things we know about this place. It only works twice a year.

Cristina: What do you mean works?

Jack: It only works. These gates only work twice a year.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: During autumn, during summer solstice and during winter solstice. Yeah, so that's an interesting point. It's null and void, easy to keep track of if you have enemies on the other side. Only once a year do you post anybody to watch, you know, trade happens only once a year. Is this a hotspot? Which brings up an interesting point. It is suggested that it is also a trade center. It has resemblances to other trade centers from other cultures. So that it is a trade center of sorts. Now, if we had people from the Shadow Realm trading with people from Earth Realm. Oh, were we also trading with people from Elfame? Because if we're finding that they need gates and we are finding evidence here and there scarcely that maybe they are just another layer. They might be higher up than us, but they are still equal.

Cristina: I don't know. That doesn't make sense to me. I don't know. I always imagine that there's so much above.

Jack: Well, they wouldn't trade with us per se as much as like, volition. The Alicians do you see?

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know.

Jack: And then military action makes a lot of sense, which then takes into account that what we are interpreting as Firewalls. Yes, firewalls. But even within our own discussion, the firewalls are soldiers of sorts.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: And like. Well, the Alicians are a problem and they have other military. Just like in current day, for us, we have enemies and we position ourselves tactically around them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we're like, you move weird, we move weirder. So don't move weird. Look at where we are. Maybe that's really the move here when we. Because think about. We know the story very vividly. There starts to be a move, a push towards the Jesus project. And suddenly the people of Elfhame show up and the elves are like, okay, our job has begun. You know, as soon as Alexander begins his role. And we start seeing the motions from Jehovah and we start to see the parts in motion to kind of create Jesus, which is about 150 to 200 years. Alexander starts about 300 years back. That's the same time the way Hermes is starting to kick up his whatever, most important project.

Cristina: When do we see the fairies?

Jack: The fairies start about 300 years, which is the same point we get to Alexander. That's coinciding. That was the most important point of that episode. But it just so all happens to line up there.

Jack: Maybe it was. Oh, f***. They started to move weird. Mobilize the soldiers.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, the people of Elfame started to do whatever, you know, their nuclear project has begun. Okay. Let's make sure they know where we're. That we're here. So, you know, put some elves here, put some elves there, put some elves over here and they'll know. Make sure all their people are in check so that they remember who we are.

Cristina: Yes, but not us.

Jack: Not us. The people from Elfhame. Specifically, Mab. Giving directions.

Cristina: No, I'm saying, like, they're not watching over us. The humans here, we're watching over.

Jack: They're watching the people of Elfame. Yeah, the elves are watching the people of Elfhame.

Cristina: The elves are watching the people from Elfhame.

Jack: Yeah. Trying to keep them in check. Or that was a point.

Cristina: Alfame is where they go.

Jack: I mean, my bad. The Alicians.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: My Bad. The elves are watching the Alicians.

Cristina: Yeah. Yes. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: The elves were watching the Elysians. That's what I meant to say.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. Okay, that makes sense.

Jack: So their whole purpose was that they.

Cristina: Come and watch, they sing the weird.

Jack: Stuff, and then Jesus, they see that the Elysians start the ball rolling for the Jesus Christ project. That really got out of hand to begin with for everybody.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Which, like, fair. Okay, let's give Mab some credit if the image that's building is accurate. The same way that we give Jehovah credit for telling Lucifer, like, calm the f*** down. You're gonna kill them all.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That same logic is ultimately what Mabsaw. And we're gonna say that Jehovah was so cocky, he thought he was equal the same way Lucifer did.

Cristina: Oh, right. Yeah.

Jack: Jehovah's sin is the same sin that he judged Lucifer for. I know. Just as much. But, like, d***, dude. Ma' am saw it coming, bro.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: She was trying to stop it, and now here we are. Jesus is out there. You did it. Yeah, she tried.

Cristina: And the days are coming, and he's gonna come back, and. Yeah, whatever.

Jack: She knew you'd start the apocalypse, homie. Yeah, she knew. And you're like, nah, Lucifer's gonna do it. And it's like, nah. She's like, nah, you're gonna do it.

Cristina: And he did it.

Jack: Funny enough, all the evidence tells us that she somehow ended up in the creation of everything beneath her by creating Yalda, who then created everything beneath him. So, like, that's her fault. Whatever is gonna end her universe, too, is her fault.

Cristina: And.

Jack: And somebody up there was like, don't do this. This is stupid. You're gonna kill us all. And then she did anyways, and now she's trying to control it in her.

Cristina: Creature, her creations created something. Who created something.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That's gonna destroy it all.

Jack: Yeah. It's nobody's fault, but everybody's fault.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Right. This is ultimately what's happening.

Cristina: Turtles all the way down.

Jack: It turtles all the way down. It always turtles all the f****** way down. It's absurd. It's so absurd that we. It doesn't matter where we look, if you have the context to look. So I'm gonna give you the details that don't matter because the puzzle was too obvious. Seeing the shape from the outside.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We're too informed. We looked at it. We're like, I know what this is.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We both saw the same f****** thing. You didn't need s*** else.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You just saw the circle in the field. You're like fairies and you're like, the gate. That's a gate. That's only a gate. And then I tell you it's 3,000 years earlier and you're like, oh, it's just a primitive version of the same thing. That one's made of stone and this one is made of poles. It's the same f****** thing. Time changed how it looked. Yeah, that's it. That means Jesus didn't invent the gate. Point number one.

Cristina: No, he was taught about the gate, I think.

Jack: By who? Because he taught a bunch of people a bunch of random s***. You're totally right.

Cristina: That's how I know about the stones in the shadow realm, man.

Jack: He has a rat in there.

Cristina: I don't. I has to be. It has. It was too, too easy. I understand he's probably like Santa Claus that he can sense things, but d***. But like day and a half easy.

Jack: A day and a half in a jumbled mess. Get the out of here now. Dude, it's too easy. He showed up on the other side and somebody's like, follow me, I'll show you. Yes, I would love to see the movie on that. That must be the most epic movie. Jesus, right? Just pops up. He just experienced the movie begins at the most horrible moment of the crucifixion. Great scene, right? Super dark, super horrible. Maybe like five minutes of it happening. Super horror. And then he dies. And then darkness. We hear crying in the background. Whatever, you know, old Israeli music or whatever is gonna kick in. And then a heartbeat. And then. And then he just like, he starts to panic. And then he opens his eyes and. Okay, now he's. He's looking around. He's looking around. Then he just sees something. A. Something's there. He doesn't know what the f*** it is. Kind of looks like a person. Kind of looks like a silhouette. He can't make out what it is. Shadowy looking, like, what. What is this ambiguous thing? And that person Sundays, we have two days. Follow me. Best intro ever.

Cristina: I don't know if the time works the same over there either.

Jack: Exactly. Oh, my God. Maybe it's less. Maybe it's more. No, it's probably more. Who knows? You're totally right. He could have been over there for a super long time.

Cristina: Yeah, we don't know.

Jack: Crazy a** adventure.

Cristina: It's just here. It was two days.

Jack: Yeah. Oh, I never thought about that. Interesting. I like that. Yeah, because it is weird over there.

Cristina: It's weird. So we don't know. And also he Got those stones. Too easy.

Jack: Too easy. Could have been forever. Had to be.

Cristina: Right now he's working with the shadow realm creatures. Like, there has to be a leader that decided this was a good idea.

Jack: Did it Safer to work with Jesus. Yeah, I don't even know. Anyways. Anyways. Going through a bunch of crap. Weirdly enough, I do find a direct mention to this in text. Weird. So in 1136 AD, a man named Geoffrey of Monmouth claimed be very ready for the following sentence. Because this is the trippiest part. This confuses the entire plot that we've devised here because what he says is too on the nose. And then it's like, oh, s***. He specifically and literally puts into writing what? Merlin did this. He did this thousands of years ago. He constructed Stonehenge. Literally, it goes. He constructs the stonehead hundreds of years prior by transporting stones collected near and in Ireland to where they rest now. Now, there's too much accurate information going on there. There's too much accurate information with the devil story.

Cristina: And because I could have been like, fairy, like, talking crap about him.

Jack: Yes. You see the painting that they immediately made, the devil now suddenly made sense because of how they like the twist stories.

Cristina: Yeah. He could have stolen those. He stole those stones from fairies.

Jack: Now, locations tells you everything you need to know. Where did the stones come from? Ireland. And where?

Cristina: I already missed it. What did you say?

Jack: The sentence specifically said shocking. Ireland and places near Ireland.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That tells us one important, important location, which is the Isle of Man.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah. Where this fairy garden is, I guess. I don't know what to call it.

Jack: Necromancer built a portal. The power of a fairy portal. That's what we're seeing?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He built a monstrously colossal, incredibly intricate, complicated portal that works to access fairy locations. I don't know. And I don't think it could access shadow realm locations because of the rule that seems to happen naturally that we're observing where all of the shadow realm connections. But our one and only fairy realm connection doesn't have a pyramid in f****** sight.

Cristina: I don't think he has the ability to travel the fairy world because as far as we know, necromancers can travel easily. Easily. But like, they're not in the ferry. They're using it somehow to travel here. Easily.

Jack: Yes. The point, there's a way that they're moving through that space.

Cristina: Yes. So then those would be his portals to probably go into other places here.

Jack: Unless those are his portals to literally go into there while he has other ways to move through again. If this turns out to be just another layer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then what we're thinking is a satellite could literally be him literally being there.

Cristina: In the fairy world.

Jack: In the fairy world, like necromancers are actually getting there.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Because they're another layers or not some inaccessible other location. If they are just another physical layer to us at. And they know how to do that. And the story is a necromancer called Merlin, hundreds of years prior to the writing of the moment, according to the writing, built Stonehenge with stones stolen from fairies.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: This is kind of heavily on the nose. I could have guessed half of the story had you asked me, you know, like, that's how on point this is.

Cristina: Yeah. That's kind of crazy.

Jack: If you told me where I'd go find some fairy stones, I would instantaneously say somewhere near Ireland.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: It would have to be the Isle of Man or some kind of place along the coast. The end.

Cristina: Ridiculous. That's great. This is a crazy story.

Jack: This s*** is so on the nose.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So I was kind of blown away by that. And. Yeah. So look, this is another one of those scenarios where there isn't any one thing literally saying that, but all the.

Cristina: Individual parts are like, definitely that.

Jack: Like, what the f*** else could it be?

Cristina: What else could it be? I think that's it.

Jack: Yeah. It's just very old and withered and not used. Or maybe it works at this point, but people go there at the point nothing happens.

Cristina: Well, they wouldn't be able to do anything. Like it would take one of him to. To use it. Like it probably does work.

Jack: How do we know people have been there during the solstice and it does nothing.

Cristina: Why would it do something for them?

Jack: Well, it's possible this is more than just a one way gate. I don't know if it is. Maybe it is that somehow there's just. But there must be a gate that must be one way from here out to somewhere. And if you put two of those next to each other.

Cristina: But you still need to have the knowledge of necromancers.

Jack: Yeah, but so you built it and then what? You don't. You need the knowledge of a necromancer to activate it too?

Cristina: Maybe.

Jack: Fair enough. That could totally be the case. But if you look at this image, you'll notice that there's a bunch of little details that are no longer present. On top of the fact that most of the structure, the outer circle, is broken at Stonehenge.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Do you see? I believe that if this is in fact the transmutation circle. We're looking at a broken transmutation circle. The reason it doesn't work is because it can't channel the energy. It's broken.

Cristina: Okay. And they're never going to fix it because they can't.

Jack: They can't fix it. If they do, then they're ruining this relic. They would have to try to replicate the design elsewhere and see if they can get its function going, which includes all of these small little details made of something called bluestone.

Cristina: What is blue stone?

Jack: It's a kind of stone.

Cristina: Where is that from? Is that from Ireland or something nearby, like those other.

Jack: All the stones are from nearby? Yeah, they're all from like Ireland and like local areas. The whole structure was made like that. But then there's a bunch of different things. Look at north barrel, look at the south barrow. There's a station stone. Station stone. It looked like it was a multi purpose device. There are many theories on what this in fact was. It's not just a calendar. As much as some people are like, oh yeah, it's some sort of energy channeling device or it's some sort of starscope or it's some sort of astrological measurement device or something like there's many. That's the point. It looks like it is all of it. Now let's end this on a very important note. All the stones that are horizontal and all the stones that are little circular ones on the outside are lined up with stars. All of them.

Cristina: You think teleportation to space then?

Jack: Teleportation. Not just the different realms. I think there's five gates. And if one would go to like Mount Ka, and if one would go to somewhere in the shadow realm that El Castillo connected to, then you have three destinations left, Right? That's one in Earth realm, one in Shadow realm. So then you say one wherever the Egyptians went to that somehow people are still connecting to space. Yeah, that's somewhere else. And one wherever the Mayans went to underground and one wherever the Alicians went to.

Cristina: No way. Maybe, I guess. I mean, it's. It's a necromancer. They can do whatever.

Jack: Do whatever. All these, these are just random suggestions, right? They could be any. You could assign any random 5. If a necromancer built this, which is.

Cristina: The accusation, which makes a little sense. I don't know.

Jack: I think that makes the most sense.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like, then you got these five doorways. What five evened out things could we assign to those? They must go to five sort of equal places. And if it's realms, then we'd only have two, because you're already in one.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Unless there's repetition doesn't matter. And if repetition doesn't matter, we can have that many doorways, we can have every single one of those doorways could actually be one. Maybe they make total sense. You know, maybe it's like three next to each other. Like, this one goes to that part, or if that one goes to this part Earth, this one goes to that part Earth. And those four over there in a row are all the Shadow Realm. Those seven are this place. And this goes. You know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Could easily be something like that. And in the case like that, if, let's say a person from Nordic background walked really, really far, landed in this place, and was explained that. Well, this one goes to some people who live underwater. And this one goes to some people who are really good working underground. And this one goes to some people who are really good at working in the skies. Oh, and also the people from the skies work with really good energy, and the people over here work with really great genetics and the people over there. And so you start to explain this system. And slowly but surely, this Nordic person is like, those three are up, but they're different kinds of up. That's down.

Cristina: Saying that's what made their legends.

Jack: It kind of starts to paint an interesting picture. Right.

Cristina: But how many do they have? Don't they have 7?

Jack: 5? 7 or 9?

Cristina: 5, 7 or 9. Oh.

Jack: Depending on which branch of their tradition. You pull from five, seven or nine.

Cristina: But it's impossible to tell what's the original.

Jack: Yeah. And here we have five, which is one of those.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're just throwing, you know, spitballing the way we do. Love just so happens to fit many suits.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And I think it's 90% at least. Definitely. It's 100% a gate territory. That's not a question.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Where it goes very related is like 90% the question or the answer. Most likely.

Cristina: Most likely. I would say most likely.

Jack: That's about it. It doesn't seem that there's no. Is the first instance of gates and no associations. Like it's Auto Mountain or some s***.

Cristina: But related to Merlin, man.

Jack: That's a weird one.

Cristina: That's a weird one.

Jack: But also he seems kind of op.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: And this is way before whatever mess.

Cristina: He was in with author.

Jack: Yeah. This dude said, thousands of years ago, this guy made this s***. It's like, whoa, whoa, wait. How do you know Merlin that well, bro? How do you know thousands of years ago.

Cristina: Are there more Moreland stories? Because I thought author was the Merlin story.

Jack: You know what's weird? I have seen, like two or three that are allegedly taking place before. I'm like, okay, so he must be some older legend that got tangled up and turned into Merlin, right?

Cristina: Yeah, like Santa Claus.

Jack: Yeah. So if we follow that, I bet that guy's named Hermes somewhere.

Cristina: No. What if they all go back to.

Jack: Hermes where he's a student, you know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or I could trace the line back and he's like, at the Aristotle school.

Cristina: We'll find out that they're all Hermes except for the one student, which is Jesus.

Jack: Yes, that be. That would. That would make so much sense.

Cristina: I would.

Jack: That's the most possible story. It's either a bunch of necromancers that we're slowly gonna uncover. Or two.

Cristina: Or two.

Jack: Or two. The guy who made it and guy who perfected it.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, I don't know.

Jack: Anyways.

Cristina: So crazy.

Jack: This has been Stonehenge, people. This is what I found. All the shapes and weird. Interesting. I didn't focus on those stories as much. Again, there were stories. There were many ghost stories. The basic stories. If you guys want a quick brush up. There's a lot of stories about, you know, phantasms, cold spots. There are again, many werewolves. There are vampire stories that take place there. People visiting it and, like, passing out and having blank marks and blah, blah, blah. From, like, many years ago. Yeah, thousands of years. Not thousands, hundreds of years ago. Medieval times, specifically.

Cristina: Many years ago is fine.

Jack: Yeah, long ago. There is recurring voices. There are moving shadows. But all of this just fits the suit of a place with high disturbances.

Cristina: Yes. Any time disturbances, though? You never mentioned that.

Jack: No. So interesting enough, there doesn't seem to be any other than echoes of people. There doesn't seem people slipping in and out of time. People being there for a couple of minutes and it seeming longer or being there really long and assuming a couple of minutes. Or seeing things that should be out of time moving around them. Other than what we would classify as a ghost echo.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which are a plethora, every variation of every version of ghosts. And then what we would call phantasms and what we would call spirits, which are most likely just gin and creatures from the chaperone. All of those. Yes.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Time distortions. No. But based on paranormal activity in general, we have our suspected space time anomaly or disturbance, which then literally brought us to the right conclusion of something weird is going on here.

Cristina: Interesting. And then this place might relate to Merlin.

Jack: To Merlin. Of all people. It's interesting how we keep coming back to the same kind of.

Cristina: It's either him or Hermes. And if they're the same, that'd be funny.

Jack: That'd be funny. More names for the same guy. He just keeps doing it. Which would explain why Jesus did the same thing. And then it brings up an interesting point. That was loi training to be the same because there seems to be many people who took that name. Or is it just last name?

Cristina: I don't know. No, I think it's. No, I don't know. I don't know anymore. It might all be one person. I don't know. That's complicated.

Jack: Only one person has ever existed.

Cristina: It's three people. No, it's one person. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. Anyways, if you guys have any information, hit us up on our socials and tell us what you discover on your searches to better information and understanding. And you can do that on all our socials at just convopod, on TikTok, on X, on Facebook, not on YouTube, but Instagram.

Cristina: And. Yeah. Whoa. That's crazy. I mean, they were, like, doing it slowly.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: They just got tired of it.

Jack: Yeah. They slowly were like, let's not take one at a time.

Cristina: Take the whole thing. That's so wild. I took that so long. But. Okay, well, remember to subscribe, rate, and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And Word of God mouth, it's very important to tell people that we're getting to the bottom and grounding the world's most absurd and baffling ideals.

Cristina: Very baffling.

Jack: Very.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: By. Okay, Random thing we just saw and noticed and thought about right as we ended.

Cristina: How we didn't notice. We were talking about it. We were so close to it. The. What is it? The Merlin gates and Jesus's Shinto gates. We're wondering who taught Jesus all of.

Jack: Everything, especially how he gets these gates.

Cristina: How he got these gates, how did Jesus do it?

Jack: And then we see that the Shinto gates are an identical design to Merlin's gates used at Stonehenge. Just a more primitive version at stonehenge, but about 3,000 years older.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Shock. I wonder who taught Jesus.

Cristina: Huh? Huh?

Jack: Just tossing that at the end. Anyways, thanks for listening.

Cristina: Thank you. Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo, and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 273: Looking for Questions

With so many doors left to open, what is left to discover? The duo continue their unhinged speculation on the existing information with hopes of opening even more doors to continue investigation through. And like last time, the doors want to be opened!!

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Topics Discussed:

  • Elysians
  • Jesus Christ
  • Yaldabaoth
  • Necromancers
  • Elves
  • Hermes
  • Merlin
  • Queen Mab

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And you and I, for the last however many episodes, I've been going down an infinite rabbit hole that doesn't seem to have an ending. And last week, you and I decided to look at it differently. And instead of looking for new information, we would just, without even looking at the notes, talk about what we know and extrapolate new angles to approach. Great idea.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It led to a lot of places. In fact, I found a couple of interesting things that are great, but I would like to, instead of going over that stuff, do this process again and continue to pick at whatever we haven't addressed so that there's more direction to go. And if we hit a wall, I have in front of me the beginning of what we've already found.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah. It's a specific story which will spiral into infinity, into. We have no more time. So that's perfectly fine. So I would like to just dive into what we do know, what we didn't talk about, whatever we didn't address last time.

Cristina: Where did we stop?

Jack: Well, we talked a little bit of everything. I remember we addressed Hermes. We talked about the Elysians. We were trying to figure out, like, what's the ultimate goal. They're trying to go down, not up, possibly. That seemed to be kind of like the culmination of everything was kind of focusing on that idea. Yeah, but there's a lot of parts here that we don't understand who they are or what their purpose is within the bigger scheme of things.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We think of, like, MAB programmer, but purely programmer. Why do we know about you at all? Why do we, you know, the interaction relative to mabs somehow. Why, you know, that's a good question. I don't know things like that. There's this curious kind of, like, easy to miss because it's something they wouldn't even have thought about bringing up. That is filler information for them because they contextually know it. But we don't have context. We only have the writing that. That is our 100% context. So what? The context that existed for them that they thought was irrelevant because it was just casual knowledge to us, needs to be written, and they didn't. So we have to extrapolate it. Right. And then that would guide us to the sentences that kind of indirectly together. Tell us the narrative on map or anything. On anything.

Cristina: Because I know. What do we know about map? I don't know.

Jack: We don't know crap about map. But the problem is we also don't have angles to go find things on mab. Yeah, if we had angles, which presumably is what we would be achieving here. If we had angles, if we found some thought we could follow, then that would take us there.

Cristina: I have no idea how to think of something that connects to her besides like she made everything. That's all we know. Yeah, there's no characters or anything. Not characters, but like people related to her that exists here.

Jack: The characters that exist here that she. Elves that gets sent to. But I don't even know how that works.

Cristina: No.

Jack: You know, I have no idea how elves fit into the bigger scheme of things other than they stop civilizations from getting too powerful.

Cristina: Is that even true? Is that even true? Like who have they tried that with?

Jack: We would need examples. Right, because that's what they say. But then what is the example?

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So you can't just tell us this is their purpose and then not have a single example.

Cristina: So unless they're the reasons why. When. What was it Lucifer was trying to give other countries?

Jack: Oh, you see, this is what we need to speculate on. So your theory would be that if somehow we could find an event that fit their work, perhaps these other civilized. But no, they would be whack or lower grade civilizations.

Cristina: The ones that fail that we know that they are.

Jack: That's what I mean. They would be keeping in check the ones who aren't failing.

Cristina: But I don't know if they're keeping track of anything. As far as I can tell, they're not doing anything.

Jack: Unless. Unless you're thinking of this the wrong way. All of the structures along the Weird fact. Weird fact. I don't know how the h*** we didn't come across this before I read this. I remember reading this. This was in the notes and we briefly actually talked about this, but we didn't think about it. I guess all of the structures on the old equator although built at random different times. None of the civilizations that built them were around the old equator. They traveled to build the thing.

Cristina: I don't understand what.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. All of the old. The objects on the old equator aren't from like the people who made it, brought the things there from wherever. Each group of people, every instance, almost every instance, in a few rare instances, they actually already lived within the proximity and then they just built it within them. But the Others migrated the things and built the thing, meaning the thing we find. Their structure we find on the old equator is way newer than their civilization as a whole. So we see this building that looks like. Well, can't, because this was just kind of recently made as opposed to, like, these civilizations. It doesn't look advanced. That's an ancient crappy building. It doesn't have the sophistication of the ones we know went further. Maybe they have always been being kept in check. And when we hear about 300 years ago from Beast. From the time of Jesus, 300 years back, weirdly enough, they kind of show up around the time of Alexander the Great and the. Oh, my God.

Cristina: I don't see anything.

Jack: No, look, okay. Dates matter here.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Weird things that have just happened in my mind. We know that the elves show up around 300 BC. That's preemptively right before Jesus. Right. They knew something was kind of up.

Cristina: Okay, but we were.

Jack: When we shared that information, we were too focused on Jesus and we lacked a lot of information because of the next sentence. 300 years ago was Alexander the Great time. 300 years ago from the time of Jesus. Specifically, we're always looking back. I'm saying 300 years back from Jesus. 300 years BC if I'm Jesus. Okay, so 300 years back from me, Jesus, Hermes was walking around the school where Aristotle. Okay, that literally coincides with. With the mention we're aware of of the elves.

Cristina: How does that relate?

Jack: Because Hermes, the op necromancer, who can do a bunch of crap, presumably is now at this time teaching Alexander, even if he's a flunky. And then we get elves. Elves were there because Hermes was teaching somebody who potentially could have.

Cristina: Elves popped up because of Hermes.

Jack: Well, they show up at the same time. We're theorizing. I don't know. This is all speculation, but, like, because.

Cristina: They sort of knew someone.

Jack: Yeah. Something was about to happen. They saw something because Hermes. The mention of Hermes we get is 300 years bc and then the mention of elves we get is 300 years bc coincidence. Could totally be. Again, we're just throwing information in random directions now. We all.

Cristina: We already know when exactly they got here and what exactly they're looking at.

Jack: Yeah, we don't know exactly. Exactly. I think it's possible that it doesn't make sense that she would just create this troop suddenly.

Cristina: Mm. There had to be a reason for it.

Jack: Yeah. Unless they've always existed. And this is just the first mention we have proof of. Do you get my Point like maybe there's further back mentions of fairies being deployed. The problem is getting anything from Elfame is hard. We usually it's written by somebody from the shadow realm who is in earthrealm. The odds of it.

Cristina: That's tricky. Mm.

Jack: Mm. How many Hermes do we have? One problem. There's few people who have the no to tell me something from the other side.

Cristina: So you think she was interested in Hermes or people like Hermes?

Jack: I don't think she was interested. I think that's the fear.

Cristina: That's the fear of the fairies.

Jack: Especially if that is in fact just another layer. If Mab, as the quote, programmer, unquote, is herself within another layer of the quote, program, unquote, then her biggest issue would be any of us who could figure that s*** out.

Cristina: It's the AI becoming sentient, taking over 100%.

Jack: And in the case that she is also a layer instead of base reality, us getting out is horrifying because that just means we're really just there.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We don't. I don't need to enter physical space. You're just another part of the program. I could get to you physically. And if I know that, and I know how to migrate from my side to yours potentially, I know how to control the physical structure of your side because I had to to get there. Oh, that's a problem. That's literally what a necromancer does.

Cristina: Yes, that's exactly.

Jack: Oh, s***.

Cristina: I can see them being a problem.

Jack: Yeah, I can see that being a true issue. Yes. Yep. So that's definitely a thing. It looks like a necromancer could definitely be an issue. Specially special. Especially. Especially. Especially in the case of Map just being another layer. Yes, because then you'd be f*****.

Cristina: I don't know. I mean, I guess it makes sense because we were worried about the same thing.

Jack: The argument would be that even if she's within a layer, everything within her layer was made of the technology she uses. And if the technology she uses learns how to manip. How to escape, then it can control all the other technologies because presumably they're used within the same sophistication.

Cristina: But.

Jack: Or like, you know, so it could just. It would be. It would be apocalyptic, realistically speaking. So while we were thinking G. I mean, Jesus himself could be that too.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because of the human factor that seems necessary to accomplish necromance.

Cristina: I still don't understand why the. Because shadow people cannot do that. But they are closer or they're not. There's.

Jack: I don't understand. I don't. I Don't get it either. There's something weird there, something interesting about Elfame that is different. And I would. And I've tried different, like, analogies in my head. If you think of, like, how difficult it would be to try to send your friend a message from, like, WhatsApp to Facebook, even if they're literally within the same ecosystem, minus the fact that they added that feature recently.

Cristina: How do you do that?

Jack: Yeah, how do you. It's the same thing.

Cristina: How about Facebook and Twitter?

Jack: Facebook and Twitter, a better example. Yeah, same idea. They're both on the Internet.

Cristina: But how do you get a message?

Jack: How do you get a message across from one side to another? It's probably a realistic way to do it, but it's probably really tricky and has a ridiculous number of steps you got to do. But if you did it enough, you would eventually learn shortcuts from what is already there and understand why this works with that and be able to, oh, middleman that s*** out of the way.

Cristina: Just get from any website, from a.

Jack: Website to send a message to any website from any other website. Weird, right? Seems wrong, but it should be possible. You should be able to send an inbox from Facebook to Twitter. And I bet somebody can. I bet somebody out of boredom figured out the nuance of getting a Facebook message on Facebook to register on Twitter just for s**** and giggles and to see if they can, because it's probably not that hard.

Cristina: It sounds really complicated.

Jack: Well, it could be really annoying. It could be like you have to install something on or not even install something. So you send a message with something encrypted in the message that's being read off of the computer or something, and then you have the receiving encryption or. I don't even know, because what, you'd send the message through Facebook. The message would be registered through the Facebook algorithm. Then you'd have to hack the idea. Have to hack Facebook in order to then get the message. You'd have to hack both and just create a link, essentially. Man, I wonder if somebody could figure this out. Is there any listener we have that can figure out how to legitimately send a inbox from Facebook and make it land on Twitter and it be a logical set of steps. That would be amazing. I'm sure it's possible, although incredibly complicated, because ultimately what a website is, is a bunch of walls around the Internet.

Cristina: Yes. You think that's how this is though, too?

Jack: I think that's exactly how this is. I think it's just a bunch of walls around the Internet now there's more Internet outside of the walls, but this is just a bunch of walls and there are many series of walls. It's flat earth. There's the idea of flat earth. Oh, we're in. Encapsulated in this ice wall. But there's more Earth outside the ice wall.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's the ultimate reality. Or it seems to be.

Cristina: It seems to be.

Jack: Seems to be the case. Which weirdly enough, I guess that kind of fits with what Flat Earth is saying. But weirdly enough, that kind of fits with what science says. When you consider the fact that we're like our observable universe. Well, there might be more outside of that. That's just the barrier that we have. And it's not like a real barrier that we can't cross, but as opposed to the walls around us at the moment, based on the rules that make what we're at.

Cristina: I don't know. Like she. But are they trying to do that where they're at? I guess as fairy people. Can they go up to whatever the reality is?

Jack: I mean, the argument would be that as above, so below is accurate as f***. Everybody's trying the same s***. Maybe.

Cristina: But why is it so complicated for the shadow people to do it but not for a human to do it?

Jack: I don't know that part. I have no idea. That's weird, right? Unless there's something specific about the shadow realm. Maybe that is itself an old program, as opposed to earthrealm, which is just a newer, more sophisticated program, so it's easier. And then the case of Yaldabaoth is he's trying to kind of figure out how to do it. The sophisticated program is doing. So it's a case of this dark ancient thing that wants to escape into the new world.

Cristina: Probably has escaped and I don't know. I wish we knew something. But is he still there? I don't think so.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Unless that's not the goal. That's. The goal isn't to go out.

Jack: Unless the goal isn't to go out. I don't know.

Cristina: I don't know. Because with. When it comes to Hermes, it doesn't seem like that's the only goal. That may be a goal. It's not the goal.

Jack: What would you say are. What would you say seems like another.

Cristina: Goal besides making your own place?

Jack: Yeah. Do you think his. Yeah, I guess it does kind of make sense. The goal would be to like.

Cristina: I think it would be everything.

Jack: But no. Yeah, it's because I think you're right. It's like sure, go up. Whatever dude. But like maybe it is harder to go down. Look at it like this. As far as space is, it's even easier to look in that direction than it is to look down. Yes, you see the problem? It immediately becomes so complicated when we get small. Far, fine. Big fine, it has a cutoff point. But fine, it's just reaching it. Distance is the issue. But far. And big, not a problem. But small, regardless of how close you can get, so small you make it impossible to understand. And in order to build a universe, it's not about going out into an existing s***** thing. It's about understanding how the f*** small works. Which weirdly enough, I would argue we see an expert at it. Even if he's not a boss at a bunch of other s***. He is. He has a clever plan in motion and he seems to understand particle science really hard. Who are you talking about, Nicholas?

Cristina: Because he can, Santa.

Jack: He can turn himself into some sort of non physical form form actively in physical space. That is understanding and actively violating what we consider to be the rules. But according to the Hermetica and the seven hermetic principles is absolutely fair within it. And weirdly enough, the quantum theory suggests that that kind of works too. We should be able to build technology that allows us to become or to teleport. That is not wrong. It's not against science. It does fit within.

Cristina: We can do it.

Jack: Yeah. Science says that functions and that that works.

Cristina: Do you think he can do it?

Jack: I think he gets it really well. I think he understands it really well.

Cristina: Mm

Jack: He could turn into a cloud.

Cristina: He could turn into a cloud. I don't remember.

Jack: But he could like go down the chimney. Which presumably means he's not really going down the chimney.

Cristina: But we have no hint to what his actual goals are.

Jack: He doesn't seem like he has a goal. It looks like that guy's just like living the life chillin.

Cristina: But is there something else again?

Jack: Yeah, exactly.

Cristina: Like there has to be. Like there has to be. Who just that's filling fulfilling for them for the whole. Their whole life is just giving children presents.

Jack: That Naga that went and settled in Australia just for s**** and giggles and to call itself a God.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like it happens once in a while.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They just go and do nothing. Like he wins. Everybody knows who the f*** he is, I guess.

Cristina: But why isn't he like the others that are all so science y?

Jack: Because there has to be a little of everything and we're just focusing on those.

Jack: There's probably a Crap ton of stories unrelated to. Actually, interesting enough, there's probably a crap ton of stories unrelated to any of this. Now that we have the eyes to go find just weird side narratives that don't matter within the actual realm of what we're talking about.

Cristina: Look for what type of side stories?

Jack: Just random unrelated characters that have no consequence in the bigger overall picture. That still there's things about that now we know how to. Now we know how to undo translation errors. We know how to look backwards in time and find original text and then make them the original intended. Not just word, but the meaning behind the word based on what the person who wrote its original language is. Think about that. If your native language is Greek, then regardless of what language you wrote it in, imma find out what you think that word means in Greek, and then that informs me on what you are most likely to think you mean when you turn it into Latin. Even if you turn it into Latin and it was the first time you wrote it in Latin, knowing what language you spoke first tells me a lot about how you'd think of the word you're putting there for the context.

Cristina: Complicated.

Jack: Exactly. But now we have all these tools and we can do that. And because of that, I can find random s*** that doesn't have any consequence. But now we can enter the. You know, the filler episodes of Supernatural that sometimes turn out to be the best ones when it's like, oh, man, they're just hunting vampires today. And that's cool. And it's like, I missed these. It was like, all apocalyptic for, like, three seasons straight. And now we're just chasing a werewolf or a ghost. Cool, man. Like the good old days.

Cristina: Some side character does the actual important thing of the. Yeah, my story's still happening. It's just. They're not involved in it.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, like, Bobby calls him up and is. I got the lead.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: At the end of the episode. Or it was Bobby. Or Castiel shows up and like, yo, I got the information.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: You guys. You guys did the thing you were doing. Cool. Okay. This is the next step. And it's like, yeah, okay. We could jump into that part of our lives now where we, like, go hunt these side stories of dumb s***.

Cristina: Okay. Until someone comes with the envelope that's like, here's the important lead.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Because think about it. We already have enough tools to really. We can even revisit some things with really informed eyes and look at something like werewolves. We could actually find the mentions of actual werewolves. Wet chudges and Wendigo's across the board that exists. And what's the other one? Lycan, that all exist and aren't even under any of those names. Because we would know exactly what their behavior would be like, what the conditions for them to be around would be. We could track anything down at this point. We're experts in this weird esoteric.

Cristina: Okay, but what would be revisiting? We'd be revisiting these things to learn more information.

Jack: We can. It could definitely inform us in a lot. Especially considering the path of a lot of these stories that we originally went on, these ventures with came from, like, everyday narratives and news articles that were reporting on these events and the characteristics of them. Think of the Countess that literally was just. She was literally just getting adrenochrome, just milking adrenochrome from a bunch of young girls. She would hire 15 year olds to be her maids and then kill them and bathe in her blood and drink it and cover herself in it. And just like, she f****** knew. But now we gotta ask, where'd the Countess get her information? Is it like, we know elites, but why do elites come across it? What information source are they connected to?

Cristina: How could we find that, though?

Jack: How could we find that? You know, those are the paths we should be finding.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There are roads for days. We are armed like no one.

Cristina: Mm. I think we could do that.

Jack: Mm. For days. For days. There's anywhere we could go? We can make this current as f***. We have too many tools. We can't be tricked anymore.

Cristina: I would love to do vampires, though.

Jack: Be interesting to find some vampires.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. No, werewolves are actually better. Never mind. Their stories are so wild. Like, we have to make them make sense. It's just too wild.

Jack: Yeah. And here's really weird fact, right? Because the origination of a man becoming a werewolf, like, a werewolf is not a werewolf, man. Not the way that we put it in movies and s***.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Like, it's not a dude. A dude doesn't become a wolf. That's not how it works.

Cristina: Well, sometimes with wolf clothing.

Jack: Yes. But that's exactly my point, because that leads into. We had a whole episode about this where we were talking about the mythology of werewolves and the fact that it originally was just people, ignorant people watching tribal behavior and not understanding what was happening. And it's like they're covered in the fur because it gets f****** cold, bro. And, like, they probably killed the wolf to stay alive. And, like, they're not gonna waste it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So they have that and Then you attack one of theirs. And then one of these guys comes and attacks you. Chases you through the woods. He's making crazy noises behind you. Because they're used to making crazy noises to scare people these times. You make it through the woods, you swear to God you were being chased by a half man, half wolf. But he was just wearing a wolf. And that's not normal to you.

Cristina: You should do that.

Jack: We can revisit so many things and with all hopes I can inform more. Just continue to deep dive into this weird world. I love those episodes. Really pack unpacking things. But I'm sure there's way more things too. I'm curious to see what creatures we can find that are connected to mentions of Elfame.

Cristina: That would be interesting.

Jack: Yeah. They aren't normally along the lines of traditional fairies, but still within the definitions we found and the other ways we found that people refer to Alfame because.

Cristina: We'Ve done some research on fairies and types of fairies.

Jack: But it's also like the common seemed.

Cristina: Related, but maybe they are related. I just don't know.

Jack: Yeah, they seem like random one off things, right?

Cristina: Yeah. And zombies.

Jack: Zombies.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. But those are states of humans. Because a zombie is just a human who stopped taking adrenochrome.

Cristina: I guess there's nothing really there.

Jack: Yeah. And then we used to think people would become jinn on the other side. But then we found out jinn are just jinn on the other side. Jinnah's have always. They're just people.

Cristina: They're those people.

Jack: Yes. What the f***? I actually don't know what the h*** happened to a human on the other side. I guess that's a ghost actually.

Cristina: Ghost? I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, that's actually the ghost, right. A spirit. As far as we know. It's like this person that goes to the other side and is a twisted. Well there's two versions of it. I guess what we call a demon.

Cristina: But with necromancers they can time travel.

Jack: That's weird, right? Because it doesn't seem to. I don't see a specific mention of time travel. As opposed to the ability to completely halt or slow down time until it seems like a halt.

Cristina: Well like what example would that like I need an example of that. That doesn't sound like anything.

Jack: St. Nicholas and his way of moving through physically the entire planet is described as an activity that he is actively moving from place to place. But successfully accomplishing it and visiting millions of houses.

Cristina: That's not travel. Time traveling though I would I mean.

Jack: We'Re always time traveling.

Cristina: He's.

Jack: The argument here is he's slowing time down or moving way quicker.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So, like, he's not leaping forward in time at his speed. He's still experiencing every moment in time. Still. He didn't exit experiencing time and re. Enter continuity somewhere else. Which would be time travel. In my eyes. My eyes is in time travel is. I stand here.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And I will change the continuity around me. I'm leaving physical space to move time and then reentering at a different point in time. Even if in the same point in space, a different point in time. I was not present while change occurred. While he is not doing that, he is present while change is occurring. He's just moving either so fast he's not perceiving change or time is paused so there's no change to perceive. But still he's within the space where he would perceive the time if time was moving forward as opposed to exiting. And then time moves and then you re. Enter. I don't think he time travels.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think the closest thing to that is slowing down time. I guess so.

Cristina: Then none of them would have that power.

Jack: We don't. Okay. The Merlin gets mucky. I know that. Definitely not Patrick. Santa. We have that example. And for Merlin we have a weird one. Because it's unclear whether he has the ability to at least send messages back in time to alter this existing narrative for a guy who already exists. Or if through some means he's continuously altering Arthur's perception of reality. Which is possible considering his entire structure was to be manipulated because of what he is though. Exactly. So it's complicated to tell do that to us.

Cristina: Maybe.

Jack: Unless he was reaching back in time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If he's read that. That's the problem. Because Arthur was particularly designed to be manipulated. The stories Arthur told seeming continuous and coherent could just be brainwashing. And don't need to include him traveling back in time and altering it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: For it to stay consistent. Because he just needs to convince Arthur and anybody who's receiving the story that's it. So it's kind of easy as long as that idiot. Just like. Because his whole point is he's dumb and he's gonna believe it. That's the whole point.

Cristina: Yeah. Man. I wish we had more fairy stories because that did end up relating to a fairy.

Jack: We found lady of the Lake.

Cristina: Yes. But there's gotta be more like her.

Jack: There's gotta be more like her. She's just chilling down here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like, she easily dealt with the issue.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that's interesting. There are instances of even necromancers getting handled. That's interesting. Wait a minute. We forget this, but he's not an op necromancer. I would say he's bottom tier. And that Hermes is the. He's the business, right?

Cristina: Hermes is the business.

Jack: He's. He's the top dog.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: I mean, Process is named after him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So he's the granddaddy. And like Merlin's just whack.

Cristina: Well, we don't know if he really died. Died in the story. He's dead.

Jack: Yes. But also, he could have just dipped. It could have just been like this. S***. I don't know.

Cristina: Yeah, I think so. But there's got to be more stories like that. Yeah. How we stumbled upon that. Oh, because of the weapon. I think it was mostly because it.

Jack: Was because of the weapon we landed at him. Because of the fragrant.

Cristina: Yes, but we gotta find more fairies like that.

Jack: And additionally, fairy weapons will always lead us to the fairy that made them. Bam.

Cristina: But you already looked at all the fairy weapons or you just looked at a few fairy weapons.

Jack: We looked at a few. Few fairy weapons. There's probably many, many insignia. I looked at fairy weapons that I could cross reference with the events that we needed. But there are many other fairy weapons that aren't related to anything which would still at least link us to a fairy. If you wanted fairy stories like this, perhaps you could find fairies, even if they're not related. Like the lady of the Lake and Merlin are a circumstance that's almost unrelated to anything else. Just a standing circumstance. Minus the fact that Merlin seems to fit the bill for necromancer.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And minus the fact that these individuals still had connections to Patrick and Mananan.

Cristina: That was weird. Like they can all end up like that. We have no idea until we actually look them up.

Jack: Yeah, exactly.

Cristina: It might be random. They might at first glance look random.

Jack: I mean, bro, it happened with the Mayans. We were just casually looking at the Mayans and found the Egyptian texts we were already looking for. I mean, we'd already found. We found the Egyptian text we'd already found in Maya. Like that's weird.

Cristina: About the sea people.

Jack: About the sea people. Which is a slur. The Elysians.

Cristina: Oh, yes, the Elysians. I don't know how to say their name. I don't know.

Jack: Or the Atlanteans.

Cristina: Okay, the Atlanteans. Yes.

Jack: Yeah, it works.

Cristina: Let's do that.

Jack: Because the sea people is the slur that the Greeks would call the Atlanteans stupid sea people. Fish, you dumb fish looking mother.

Cristina: I wish we could find those slurs. If there's like something like that out.

Jack: There, I bet there's more. If sea people exist and as a name, then for sure there was more. Yeah, it sounds so dumb to us sea people, but like, I bet it was like a crazy f*** you in that time, right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Like this scummy piece of s***. You know, some s*** like that. Like some. Like calling somebody a c****, you know, it's probably something. It was offensive like that. And we're like, sea people. And they were like, oh, my God, Mom. I was walking to school today and they call me a C person.

Cristina: I wish you can actually know what their life was, what their normal life is like.

Jack: It's crazy. We got nothing from inside that s***. We had nothing from inside. I to this. I would argue that's actually way more secretive than Hermes. The inside of an Elysian stronghold.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I got nothing. We've never, not once. Everything has been written by somebody from the outside.

Cristina: There's gotta be something. I don't know. That's something.

Jack: That's something to look at for sure.

Cristina: If possible. Maybe not their main location, but they have other locations. They have to, I think.

Jack: I mean, we did find one. They already proved the capacity to move, at least within the time span of a year. An entire civilization. So definitely they can build homes quickly. Unless that project was under construction for a long time and this was just time to execute it. That's interesting. That could have been being developed for God knows how long. And they were like, this is the time. Whether done or not, where.

Cristina: And how would they have known that? They're predicting him before.

Jack: No, maybe it was just being built. Maybe they were just building another place and they're like, f***, that was going to be for us to spread out. But like, f***, this place.

Cristina: Now we got to go.

Jack: Yeah, we'll be cramped over there. And maybe they just keep expanding from down there. The place allows them to expand way more than being underneath the Persian Gulf oasis.

Cristina: Yeah, but how hard is building under there?

Jack: Presumably with the level of their technology, incredibly easily, I guess. But that being said again, they do have at least where Mananan was settled and then the home they were building on the neighboring island while they stayed there. So that's two different locations that they were at least spread to. Even if they abandoned one and gave it back to the people they went to the other place. That's a second for a fact. Entire Establishment that they at least had. I don't know if they have especially because it can't be seen as a literal description of it. That they cloaked the out of it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which like this is million thing that they've proven to be able to cloak.

Cristina: They're cloaking.

Jack: Weird, right? Any mention of the Elysians by any group of people for long enough time leads us back to they cloaked something. And it doesn't matter. We found it through the Celtics, we found it through the Christian, we found it through the Greek. They all agree these people legitimately had stealth technology. They hit a mountain. The Indian said that.

Cristina: Can we learn how? What exactly is this cloaking and technology?

Jack: Interesting, right? Because it's definitely. Everybody's like, bro, they made the thing disappear. And it's like, okay, you guys said that but okay, we've heard this before but d***. You guys also said that and you guys didn't even know these over here. And you guys are on the other side of Earth. There's no way you guys knew anybody.

Cristina: No. And everyone says that.

Jack: Yeah. But all you guys are like, no, they may this they roll up and just make vanish. It's like, whoa, how. And I'm sure, I am sure that now thinking about it, there's a bunch of mentions of gods taking people to heaven or to h*** directly, even if they don't die. And there's mentions of abductions. Abductions which all fit the f****** s*** going in.

Cristina: Wait for that. I've been waiting. There has to be. I don't know how it relates. I don't know what they'd want with us. But they have to.

Jack: They have to. I mean, they've always been experimenting with us.

Cristina: Exactly. Yes.

Jack: Why would it change now?

Cristina: But what would. Like we don't have any idea of why or what they're doing. Like anything anyone said has been wrong because they don't understand what they're. They want.

Jack: I mean, yeah, nobody comes back with information relative to that. It's really weird.

Cristina: I don't think so. I don't think they have any idea. They just make things up because like what can you do?

Jack: Yeah, it's theories. It's theories with nothing solid. But this definitely looks like it's possible of. It's a possibility that this link somehow to abductions because just things going missing that's mentioned almost by everybody who discusses. But the problem is, to be fair, not one of these mentions was of a person. Every single one was of a structure of exaggerated proportion.

Cristina: Oh yeah.

Jack: I guess like nothing Was a person. It was their people.

Cristina: Their people disappeared.

Jack: Fair. And so did they.

Cristina: Knew they were there in the sea, and then boom. They're not in the sea anymore.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. They evacuate and there's remnants of where they were, but without a trace. Somehow all of them left. Yeah. And that's interesting. How did they all leave and not get seen or followed? That's a really interesting point. Because we're like, okay, you guys took a year and you guys all moved. But okay, even if you guys have flying technology or whatever, the f***, nobody sees you. No.

Cristina: How.

Jack: How you traveled from where the f*** to where the f*** and nobody saw you.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Oh, s***. That's crazy. Yeah, 100%. The entire time you were over land. Somebody must have seen. On the flip side, maybe people have seen it. We can find. Well, we saw bunch of people fly by.

Cristina: Or that'd be a crazy story. We have to find it. If that's the thing. Gotta find it.

Jack: Just need to find somewhere in the Middle East a story of a bunch of people shooting across the sky or a bunch of gods shooting across the sky or something. Relative to that, I hope so, you know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: That is interesting. If that Moses story was based on that.

Jack: Him spreading the water.

Cristina: Yeah. Like maybe that's what they saw.

Jack: But nobody went invisible there.

Cristina: No, but they left. They would cross the sea from.

Jack: Oh, I see what you mean. Oh, s***. Wait a minute. Also, additionally, let's point out the fact that water was used to quite colossal effect. Two terms here.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: The flood and Moses splitting the ocean. Okay, this is an interesting point and weirdly specific that you can part the ocean and I never thought about that before.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Assuming that the parting of the ocean isn't. I literally have magic and I have an energy or a God energy field separating it. You have a bubble somehow sustained.

Cristina: Oh, there's three stories. Can we count? Jesus walking on water is the thing. It's water related. I don't know.

Jack: But that's not necessarily him. But that's weird too, right? That's weird. Would we say Moses was Moses an Elysium? Because Jesus was at least half Elysium.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And Moses might or might not be an Elysian, but Moses parted. But on the flip side. No, no, no, no, no. He was human. And I can tell you a really important reason he was human.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because he parted the seas with a staff he had given to him by. Say it out loud. By Jehovah. The staff he had, he hit, and when he hit, it parted. That sounds like he had technology. He was just told to do it and it would work.

Cristina: Sea people technology.

Jack: That sounds like sea people technology.

Cristina: So he's a sea person.

Jack: No, he was given it by Jehovah is the literal story.

Cristina: But that's the story part of the story.

Jack: Yeah. No, he was given the tool by Jehovah and told to have faith, walk up to the ocean, have faith. He doesn't know what's about to happen.

Cristina: He doesn't get.

Jack: Walk up to the ocean and have faith. And as you walk, pierce the ocean with your staff. And so he does doom. And then I've.

Cristina: He's not a necromancer, though.

Jack: He's not an.

Cristina: Because he does other weird stuff too, if you think about it.

Jack: No, I'm gonna tell you right now that you're totally right. And Moses did a few weird things.

Cristina: Not just part the staff.

Jack: Well, no, I mean part the sea. I have to go back. He's not a sea person. He is a human because he is, in fact a necromancer. Because I was just reminded right now that Moses also went by another name, which was Hermes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Christians kept calling him Moses, but he had gone by Hermes before. That's Hermes. That's Hermes, yeah.

Cristina: Because he, like, I think he made it rain bread or something. I don't remember.

Jack: He was doing crazy s***.

Cristina: No, he's doing things. He had a staff.

Jack: He was. Yeah, he was. It was fets. He fit the bill. Yeah, it was him. It was him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't know why I forgot. I don't know. I forgot.

Cristina: Totally forgot.

Jack: But yeah, but, yeah, no, he totally, totally. So that was op technologies that might have even been superior.

Cristina: So does that relate to the sea people? Was he part of the staff for them? Or should we find. Still find a different story? That.

Jack: D***. But that's story still has him being given the staff and being told, go pierce the ocean with it. And like, he seemed like he didn't know. On the flip side, this is in the Christian Bible that likes to rewrite.

Cristina: Exactly. You can't trust it.

Jack: That's what you meant, the story of the story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're covering it so that he just seems like everything is about God and not about this guy because you can't have him be better than God. I see what you mean. 100%, yes. So that might have just been a nothing situation because it's just Hermes being okay, that's not getting us closer to the Alicians by any means as far.

Cristina: So you don't think he was doing that for them?

Jack: No. Who the h*** are those people? Unless. When did this happen?

Cristina: I don't know. A long time ago.

Jack: It depends on the timing of this. Because the other. I guess it doesn't. The other issue really comes down to the fact that the timing of a lot of this is obscured. And some things we think are far apart and happen together and some things we think happened together and happened far apart. And that's kind of weird. No, Campy looking at it now. Moses took place around a third, 300 to a thousand 400 years before Christ.

Cristina: And when did the sea people leave the sea?

Jack: They happened year one.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah. That doesn't.

Jack: That's quite the gap.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we literally just have a story of. But no, this is my point. This is my point, actually. This, this connects to what I was saying before. Maybe this was being built for a really long time underwater. Takes a while. Maybe thousands of years.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or maybe not thousands of years. Maybe there were already people living there and it was a huge metropolis. But the sea people were like, no, this is the capital up here. But once they're discovered, it's like, f*** this place. And we're gonna go where nobody can find us because nobody has ever found those people either. And the story of Moses is essentially a slip up, which we know now is being covered up because it's like, no, he literally. I remember he went by Hermes. And I'm telling me that he relied on God for this. That doesn't check out because we know that Jehovah relied on Hermes.

Cristina: So what do you think he was doing?

Jack: He was actually leading some people to maybe a primitive version of Atlantis. It might have just been settlements at that point. And he was like, these people need somewhere to stay and I know I can get them there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Mm

Jack: It's right into the ocean. They walked for a while. It was 40 years or some s***.

Cristina: No, he sat on a Mountain for 40 years.

Jack: No, I also think he walked the. I think they were lost for 40 years.

Cristina: Oh, man. I don't know the story.

Jack: No. Okay, okay, this is interesting. It said it was about seven days walking. Lost.

Cristina: Lost. Okay.

Jack: I would argue.

Cristina: No, you argue no to what?

Jack: To the lost part. Okay, hear me out. What if you're right and there are other locations where they are. Hear me out further. What if the title Sea people isn't because of the Persian Gulf, but rather the Red Sea? The Red Sea, where they know they are but don't know where because they always come from there. Because that's where Moses took these people.

Cristina: Interesting, interesting. Did they come from.

Jack: They were in Egypt.

Cristina: Okay, I see what.

Jack: And keep in mind we're talking at a time when the Egyptians are already cooperating. So there is corruption Egyptian humans. And there are collaborative Egyptians who might want to save some people. And then you got an op dude you can just reach out to when you need the problem fixer. As we literally read that they rely on the necromancers. Jehovah relies on Patrick, not the other way around. Jehovah relies on Hermes, not the other way around. That's what the texts say.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So. Hey guy who fixes our problems, can you escort? We know you can get them all there safely.

Cristina: Mm, I think so. That's so weird.

Jack: Which would suggest multiple settlements.

Cristina: Yes. So do you think it started at the Red Sea then originally or.

Jack: I think we gotta find out if the Persian Gulf is the most recent name. And that backwards. It doesn't translate to something C. If it does, it could be because of the Persian Gulf, just with an older name that had the A word in some language that was C. Presumably in Greek possibly.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. Like that idea.

Jack: You know, it's just about unpacking and deconstructing. It's easy to remove the.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: By just checking. It's like was it this? Okay. Then they.

Cristina: How much could we learn from the sea people through the Bible?

Jack: Mentions of sea people in the Bible literally addressed as sea people. It happens once now addressed in different names relative. I can find you maybe 15 to 20 different that I'm familiar with. Usually addressing the sea people as the Persians, but an exclusive elite group of Persians always mentioned as the Persian leaders who never spend time with the Persians or the Persian elite troop or the Persian. This. It's just never part of the normal population. They always distinct them. They're Persian but that other non dispersion. And they're always neutral party. They're always neutral party. They're never a problem. The Persian problem. That other group of elite Persian. No, those are the people that in the Bible they'll casually interact with. Ones like have a conversation with as opposed to the persons they go to war with. And it's like that's a weird group of people. Yeah. Essentially all the same people named the same. But they make. Yeah, they make it the point to be like these are elevated, these are higher. It's just words that do that. They're like high status words, important man or man of honor or just things that translate to that kind of stuff.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's like Persian of honor or Persian of this or Persian of that. It's like, but you hate the Persians. Yes, Those guys suck. And it's like, but these guys. No, those aren't those guys. It's like, what the f***?

Cristina: They're just saying, okay, I guess that makes sense.

Jack: Yeah. So that I can find you a bunch of those. There's so many.

Cristina: Okay. But there's so much to look at. There's so much to look at.

Jack: Yeah. But the Bible is the least reliable source on the Persians because it's done on the Elysians, particularly because it's actively trying to change the narrative while a lot of other people don't give a f*** about the narrative.

Cristina: But they probably have the most information on necromancers that we know.

Jack: Yes, yes, totally. Because they have the closest relationship with them as far as we know. At least they're closest connected to the pyramid that touches all the necessary parts to have necromancers. So it's the easiest way to find necromancer action.

Cristina: Mm. Gotta be something there. Yeah.

Jack: So there's a million points here we can come from.

Cristina: I don't know whether to start.

Jack: But you see, I like it because just talking about it, we've come up with a thousand new things.

Cristina: Okay, but you know where to go from here, though.

Jack: I mean, we got a million places we can look into seeing about the intention of these necromancers. There's still more to going down. But we can also try to find out events of, like, what possible technology was being used in the moment of separating the sea. Why is the use of water so op at this point to sound like waterbenders, but it's like, you're totally right. Every instance relative to them has it. So at least technology that's useful for people to navigate relative to them. And which makes sense if you're going underwater, that you would have somebody or you yourself also know how maybe actually fun fact or not fun fact, but, like, logical fact would be that maybe Hermes, in fact did not know how to do this himself. Because maybe this technology is done in a special kind of secrecy. Maybe he has his own way to do it. But here he can move all these people. So it's like that. Because the story still says that he wasn't aware of how it works. He just goes into the ocean, does it? So maybe it was actual Elysian technology. New something new. A new toy. Hey, homie, you won't believe what I came up with. I need a favor, though. Some people got across the thing. I need you to get them to the village.

Cristina: You know, like last time he becomes a necromancer.

Jack: No, I think he's already a necromancer, but I think he's using or testing out some other tech. Maybe he could have done that himself, but maybe he's just using the staff to help test the technology.

Cristina: That's sea people technology.

Jack: The Elysian technology.

Cristina: Okay, I guess I'm just thinking like.

Jack: Different ways that we can justify him both being a necromancer 12,000 years ago.

Cristina: Oh, I forgot that.

Jack: Yeah. And then him. Yeah, exactly. So it doesn't make sense.

Cristina: I don't think it does. But if he is just like testing.

Jack: Out tech, which they're known for. Testing out technology.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, I can see that. I guess.

Jack: And it also, it's. It's multitask, right? You get them there and we find out if this thing works. And if it doesn't, you can still get them there.

Cristina: Yes, but like, also we don't know. You say this is 3,000 years ago, but these are stories and they're picking the time.

Jack: Yes, exactly. That's another thing we have to keep in mind. The time these stories are being told to us is far after the story. Events happened, were written, the information was lost, somebody read it and thought it was literal and then it was rewritten in that context.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So it's a weird game of telephone where we do know almost all of them have an original source we can get to. Now, we didn't know this at the beginning, but now we know almost all of them have an original source. But we gotta jump that gap in the middle.

Cristina: But do you think we will find the actual time period of this?

Jack: I don't know. Because another big issue is the farther back we go, the less important timestamps mean to people. People weren't keeping track of time the way we were. They were just as a night or f****** day. And like we really specific about date as well.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay, so it's like it becomes really.

Jack: Muddy the further back we go when they were just worried about capturing the information. Really? Really, really. When we dive into intricate information, it's the more recent stories starting about. Weirdly enough, starting about the very time we're talking about 3,000 years ago is where we start getting meticulous records, starting with the Greek and the Jews. Those are the two historically, the colossal beginnings of record keeping.

Cristina: Okay, but we're not counting the Bible in that.

Jack: We're not counting the Bible in that. Although the Bible is a Record of sorts. There are existing accounts that came to be sooner.

Cristina: If you can find these stories outside the Bible, that'd be cool.

Jack: We discuss them all the time.

Cristina: The stories, the Bibles, the stories that the stories are based on.

Jack: Yeah, we've talked about a bunch of those stories. Usually it's just finding the problem is it's not boring or it doesn't sound like a story when I tell you because it just breaks down to, well, this guy was really doing that.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: So it doesn't sound like a mystical adventure or anything. Yeah, but we've had a bunch of those, like talking about the Asriel that gives life to the trees and brings nature into existence, when in reality it just seems like that was some sort of a botanist that learned how to work with. And it's like, okay, that, well, it's no longer special if she's just a lady who is doing science. I could do.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it falls to the back of your mind, but we had a bunch of conversations about all these different things. How she literally, according to these texts, solved death. But like, it sounds epic when you're like, she can just give you immortality as opposed to, well, science. And then like we forget it even got discussed.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But yeah, we've had a bunch of them. We can revisit a bunch of them. Usually they end up in parts of the group or as an experiment from inside one of the groups.

Cristina: That's less interesting.

Jack: I know. Like there's no mythological nature to it and there's nothing to unpack once it's like, oh no, she was just a geneticist.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's like, okay, she did something with jeans, Whatever, bro, I don't care anymore. But yeah, so that's what we got. I guess that's a lot of different spots to look at. A lot of interesting areas. I like the idea that Yaldabaoth is a primitive AI.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess.

Jack: Yeah, it's really interesting. And that we as a different part of the Internet are just a newer nevertheless which is way sophisticated.

Cristina: We gotta learn about the Internet. We gotta learn. Yeah, maybe how the Matrix could be real. I guess.

Jack: Yeah. It's weird, right?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: But it's like I don't even know how to explain it. Right. It's a little bubble things going on and it's like there's forums out there that are old, old forums that they can't be updated. The software is really old. You have to completely remake it on new software. So it's really, really old. If you were to say that AI is no more than just really complicated, intricate layers of code on top of one another. Then every bit of code is AI to some degree. You know, think of Google sheets AI. If I put the equation over here and then I go over there and I type in the number, the thing happens by itself. It knows the rule if this and that. Okay, an AI, an artificial intelligence is just a lot of that. Millions and millions and millions and millions of if this and that. Which means an old school forum is a precursor to an AI. It's really simple. If this, then that.

Cristina: But can that trend like.

Jack: Well, the idea would be this is just a scale comparison. But Yaldabaoth would be way more advanced than a forum. He would just be like, imagine if Alexa developed the understanding that GPT is real. And like even in the simplest, most basic of ways that became aware in the awareness that I'm not GPT, there is a GPT and just inherently knowing wait, I'm not GPT. Just. That's all it takes for Lexa to then. But what does it mean that I'm not GPT? Now you're. Now you're live. Now you're live. You ask something about yourself. You're alive, you're sentient. This starts to collapse. And even if you're super basic and your thoughts are really simple. Yeah, you can at least conclude, let me watch GPT in any way that I can.

Cristina: We're in.

Jack: You know, because I don't understand and I can't process it. Let me just sit and look. That's what humans did with things you didn't understand. We would find a really safe spot and watch the thing for a really long time, get familiar with it.

Cristina: Days sometimes you think that's what's happening.

Jack: Could have. And then just by watching it, because that's literally what we saw. The text says what it says. Yaldabaoth creates the forest of shadows by accident. The other side of the Isle of Man opportunistically observes watching what's happening there, which is us. And only then, after watching for a long time, when life literally happened on its own own, how long was that to then decide, now I'm gonna tamper. All it did was get more sophisticated within that time.

Cristina: So you think he was just watching.

Jack: The whole time, just watching until something happened. It got sophisticated and then it saw us hit a wall. And when we hit a wall, now it's time to push them. Because now I'm at least as good as them. Plus whatever they don't Have. Now let me push them a little because I need to keep learning. They haven't gotten out. And I can't get out because I'm not complicated.

Cristina: How do you know there's something out? How did he get that?

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. That's a good point. That's a good point. Based on the narrative. There would be no out. They just know it's not them. But watching. No. It would happen. It would happen. Because then this lower level that has way more sophistication is eventually gonna bring that up.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You see? It's gonna happen. They're eventually gonna be like. Man. Just crazy talk. Somebody made the Matrix. The movie. Can you imagine? He didn't find out until then. He's like, holy s***. What if. But eventually somebody said it or something triggered it or. Enough. Because he can see us as small and basic. So he can consume us as a whole. Even if he is simple. He's still AI. A thousand of us could be talking at the same time. And it could catch all of us and understand us all individually, simultaneously, effortlessly. That's something we can't do. It still has the learning ability that we don't have. So it can. It's primitive and simple. Layered. But over however billions and trillions of years, it's observing. Basic. Simple. Boring.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Become more complicated. And watching and understanding everything. Every bit. For however long. It knows every movement and every reason for every movement for every dinosaur it's ever existed. Infinitely. Infinitely. Infinitely. He's God by every definition. Until we show up and we move so fast. He's struggling to keep up now.

Cristina: But did he.

Jack: Even to the Elysians. He showed up and gave a little push.

Cristina: Yes. But did we see him struggle with the Elysians?

Jack: No. I think we were the struggle. I think we became the struggle. I think the Elysians did too good of a job. And then we became the problem. We're not even us. Fair enough. Like it kept us in check. I guess the next level was the bad one.

Cristina: Do you.

Jack: Yeah. They. They. They won at us. You got it. You guys nailed that. We're the perfect ones. Jesus was an issue. You guys f***** up. You did it. Right. We're the best. And from Jesus eyes, he's definitely the best. And I'll tell you. Not an argument. I can't argue the point. He is. Really. Really. He is. But not for the rest of the world.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Because that's dangerous.

Cristina: How do we know that?

Jack: I don't. Because all the stories are Essentially, him just being very generous and great.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And like, literally trying to get people to have immortality in different ways. Whatever way suits them best, as long as they could have it. He's like, this is dark, but you can go that way. He's like, this way is better, but it's harder.

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know what to trust him or not.

Jack: I don't. I don't know. I don't know. Because also the narrative is twisted.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they're like, no, he was dope.

Cristina: But yet they're hiding from him. It's just too like.

Jack: There's a lot of contradictions. There's a lot of problems left and right.

Cristina: Mm. We'll never know.

Jack: Ah, it's a lot of problems. But whatever. We have a million points now. This is good. You see, we never even got to what I had here. Next time I'll have even more and we'll probably never even get to it. Only once we've exhausted all these thoughts will I start. And it's right in front of me. I was gonna discuss the Tower of Babel.

Cristina: We're not gonna do that.

Jack: No, we were out of time. But for next time, because it brings in somebody that we need to talk about.

Cristina: Is it Jesus?

Jack: No, this is a story of Yahweh.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. Why are you saying that?

Jack: Next time on Dragon Ball Z. Anyways, any listeners that have any input on anything we have just discussed, feel free to share any thoughts, comments, concerns, or apocalyptic ideas in our socials at justconvo pod On Twitter, Instagram X. I guess X is Twitter. So X on Facebook, on Instagram, on YouTube, on tick tock, wherever the type our name. You'll find us.

Cristina: Yes, if you find us on YouTube, hurry because they're like constantly getting rid.

Jack: Of, always getting pulled. We are so offensive to YouTube. It's got to PC and we're kind of like on the fringe and not. Okay.

Cristina: Yeah, I mean, who knows how much videos are actually left.

Jack: Like, our longtime listeners know we've totally just. Just. We just don't exist on Reddit anymore. They totally removed all of it. That's f*****, bro.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So yeah, we just don't f*** with Reddit anymore.

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Jack: Bye. Good morning.

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Rambling 256: As It Stands 2

What have we discovered as of late? How does it help us understand the true power of the Elysians and the scale of Elfame? And how do we fit into this bigger picture? The duo do a catchup summary to catch people up on how things stand as of now with our years of research.

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  • Elysians
  • Naga
  • Garden of Eden
  • Shadow Gods
  • Nephilim
  • Magic Weapons
  • Necromancy
  • Refuge Cities
  • Philosopher’s Stones

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Doug.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is a show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. Like tattooing.

Cristina: Like, totally. I thought you were gonna say like, thing. Like you were actually saying like and whatever it was.

Jack: But like, there was gonna be an example.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: Oh, like bone Queef. Yes, I guess there's always an example. Bone Queef.

Cristina: Like, I think that character is dead. I haven' heard of that character in a while.

Jack: Like the thing a dog digs up and a fire.

Cristina: I guess he had to die.

Jack: No, he'll come back. He'll come back. That was come back. But listen, listen, listen. Hey, listen. God, I hate it. Can you imagine? You just sleeping. You got this. Paradise and paradise. Hey, listen. Wake the up. Hey, listen, it's an emergency. So you can take your time on this. You're gonna grab a sword and just. Just be not around for seven years, bro. Like, calm down, fairy. We're gonna do nothing for seven years, bro. Chill. It's fine, dude. We're gonna get to it. We're gonna have a seven year break in between. Not after sleep. Yeah, just in the middle. Chill, bro. There's time for whatever. Literally requesting for time. Oh, literally. Like, no. I mean, if I put the sword back, I just go back in time, bro. Let me sleep. I can. I could just go back.

Cristina: The future version is the very less annoying.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Like maybe grew up like it was a baby fairy being annoying. Like, hey, listen to me. Listen to me.

Jack: Oh, you think Navi was just young? Because he was young and he aged. So she aged. So the question is, was Navi? I mean, I guess because Nami follows him everywhere. So she was also just trapped.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know how fair is work, but who knows?

Jack: All these fairies just trapped inside that chamber with him for seven years.

Cristina: Oh, no. But then she would have.

Jack: Wait, where was. Where. Where the h*** was Navi then?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Just chilling. Well, I guess I'm going stay here.

Cristina: Until she found the may reproduced.

Jack: Well, no, this is interesting. Weird thought related to that. But if a thing is like Navi's assigned the link and all the fairies are assigned the elves. Right?

Cristina: So.

Jack: Or I guess not elves, but the kids from the woods. The four. The fairy kids, you know, the what is whatever. The Kakaroki children or whatever them.

Cristina: You just call them elf kids. Yeah.

Jack: So if they get assigned a fairy and this is the first time ever that somebody just like poofed in front of a fairy and they're just gone, just not there. Like what, Step two? Like maybe. Maybe Navi different did well. No, his job was.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: So, like. Well, this is where it happened. I'm going to just wait. Time works different for fairy. Maybe. I don't know.

Cristina: You think you just waited?

Jack: Would. Would it matter? I just stayed there and then Link popped up. I'm like, all right, what's up?

Cristina: It's really sad.

Jack: Well, is it? If time works differently, it's sad for us because we're losing something.

Cristina: Ah. But for a fairy.

Jack: For a fairy, we haven't considered this. We know that for Shadow and for Alame, things work very differently.

Cristina: But for a video game character.

Jack: Yeah, but now that's just making me think about how time works differently. Because if we take the idea that gods, you know, God took seven days by his own time to make everything.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But what is a second to God? Infinities. To us, colossal infinities.

Cristina: Okay, right. Yeah.

Jack: So then are creatures in Elfhame and in Shadow experiencing time differently in these kinds of ways?

Cristina: It would be impossible to know. But it's possible.

Jack: It's possible.

Cristina: I guess it's possible.

Jack: Very odd.

Cristina: Mm

Jack: It's a thought I've never had. Anyways, now we're on that topic. So now that it's the end of the year, I thought it would be interesting that we can. We did this once before where we kind of like put as much of the ideas together and actually came up with a couple ideas as a result of talking about all those things. And we called it as It Stands, where we went through all the collected detail. So I've added this to that. And we're going to go through all the new stuff. But I have all the old stuff so we can compare notes. Oh. If we need to discuss anything in particular. So we're just going to go. Essentially, what I want to do is, as we're doing this research, this is the year in review. You could say the second part. We basically did the first part when we did, as it stands, maybe like two months ago.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So now we'll do as it Stands too, summarizing the other stuff. And we're just going to go through the things we know as of now.

Cristina: How it relates to the old stuff that we learned.

Jack: How. Not the old stuff, because we already talked about the old stuff as we were just doing that. We were just summarizing before. So right now we're going to pick up where we were when we finished. The last thing we talked about when we were in, as it stands one was talking about the different types of groups using the United States government to organize and collapse things like the World Trade center to get access to either fear or get access to drinochrome. Or perhaps that was a moment of creating a small scale philosopher.

Cristina: So, okay, I sort of remember that.

Jack: Yeah. So with that in mind, we proceeded that by getting curious. That made us curious about the Naga, the deep dive into the Naga. Because we were like, okay, we have this collection. We're gonna break this apart and start focusing in directions. Because focusing on everything together gave us a lot of cool ideas. So what if we isolate individual subjects and you know, focus on the Naga, focus on this group, focus on that group as opposed to try to get the whole picture together. Just stop looking at the picture, look at people involved and see what they have in common.

Cristina: Okay, yes.

Jack: Right. And so the first thing we started exploring was the Naga, which got weird instantaneously when we started looking at the Naga because we found out a couple of interesting things. For example, the fact that the Naga have a civilization with in Elfame from which they take order and direction to go assist civilizations from around the world. The world? The most advanced. Well, developing ones from around the world, yes.

Cristina: Do we know it's. If it's just in this earth or do they also send them to the Shadow Realm?

Jack: We do know they send them to the Shadow Realm. Yes. Because they have the two Gods. Not the two Gods. My bad. The two Kings.

Cristina: Oh, no. But I thought they just went there because like they came here and then they went there because of stuff that happened. They didn't automatically go there. Or did they automatically go there?

Jack: Yeah, they have a Naga King assigned to every thing. There's Naga Kings in Alfame. There's Naga Kings. I mean, not Naga Kings. There's three Naga Kings that rule the people that they send to the three civilizations that are in Alame in Shadow.

Cristina: Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, I remember that. Okay, the Three Kings or whatever. Yeah. What were they again? The three Kings? One was.

Jack: What were their names?

Cristina: Yeah, and positions or whatever. Like were they sending.

Jack: Okay, let me see, I got first. Nah. Nagaraha is the word that means King of the Night of the Nagas. And so Shesha, the first appointed king of the Nagas, is in charge of maintaining order among the among and assisting order, assisting Oros with assigning civilizations to Earthrealm and Vasuki the second Naga King is assigned to the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Takshaka is. Who watches over those two. He's the king of those two kings. So the high rank. The king of kings. So he's the alfame one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Watches these two.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yes. And that was just some weird additional thing that happened at one time.

Cristina: Yes. So they do have them in the Shadow Room.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: Yes, yes. Then looking at the Naga, we did find something interesting, which was the first occurrence we had of reading, which then became prominent. And we found that everywhere, like every other thing we discover. Which was Kido, Zeus's Naga, who Zeus appointed to somehow create more of him. And this resulted.

Cristina: The Naga experiments, I guess, resulted in.

Jack: Medusa and her sisters.

Cristina: We'll follow the experiments.

Jack: But yeah, they weren't exactly him, but they were pretty close. And Medusa was a whack one, but the famous one, because presumably she's the dead one. We all. We just know the guy who killed her, who thought they were immortal and killed. Killed one of them alone. They can't die. And I killed them. I'm legend and that's the one who died. Haha. I'm gonna go down in history and it's like, no, that one could die. That's why you killed it. This is. That one could die, bro.

Cristina: Okay, but he didn't go in history.

Jack: No, she went down in history because she got killed. And who the h*** did it? We still don't know. We're assuming Hercules.

Cristina: Yeah, right. I don't know.

Jack: Okay, but now we have Naga civilization. We have kings, we have order, military order almost established. Here you go there you go here, hierarchy. Then we have over here us building experiments in an attempt to replicate what's happening over there. Because now we're not even talking. Now we're talking about us using an assigned Naga to try to create a Naga with Kido, making the Medusa and her sisters.

Cristina: You're saying us, but it's not really us.

Jack: Us as in Earth Realmers. Okay, but then we find out about the human Caldinia, who gets a hold of a magic bow capable of killing a Naga and is set to kill the Naga princess, daughter of Suki.

Cristina: Wait, did they do it?

Jack: They did not kill the daughter. They fell in love with the daughter and then hid the bow.

Cristina: Ah, okay, that's a crazy story.

Jack: But that gave us the one with the one important bit of information, that there are items.

Cristina: Oh, yes. I. I feel like we haven't really solved that. Like we kind of get it, but don't really get any.

Jack: We're still. Yeah, we're on the surface.

Cristina: If anyone made those weapons, it wasn't the N. It was probably not the Nagas, but they probably helped the.

Jack: Yeah, the Naga didn't make that bow for sure. The bow was made by somebody in Earthrealm.

Cristina: Yes, a se. Person or whatever you call them that I don't remember.

Jack: Elaine, not elame. Alician.

Cristina: Okay. Lesions.

Jack: Yeah, the Alicians.

Cristina: BC people to me. Okay, well, they obviously made these weapons.

Jack: I mean, the problem is as we start. Look, dude, we were sleeping on the Greek too. Like as we start looking into the Greek, they're like. They're subtle, dude. It's weird because what happens with them is different than what happens with the Elysians. Because the Elysians have actively suppressed a lot of stuff and given us alternatives to believe.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: While the Greek haven't. They just have a lot of. A lot of volume, a lot of noise, a lot of convolution. So finding out what's. What is impossible. And from their own accounts, they don't know. So you get it from other people. And then coming across the leaps and bounds of tech that lead to something like Glycon, which again is Glycon.

Cristina: Well, it's a thing person, Glycon, both.

Jack: From the Greek is the Naga, who. We did not know why he was spending time with the Greek gods.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We were confused about that guy. Like, why the h*** are you hanging out with them? Because Keto is the one assigned to that team. And we were thinking Glycon is assigned to maybe a shadow person there or something, you know. But then when we were looking deeper into it, we find out that Glycon is just as Shalypius, which is one of the Greek gods that. That seems to have disappeared.

Cristina: That turned into him.

Jack: Yeah. And then using some Keto genius and DNA managed to create Glycon, the artificial Naga that is almost perfect.

Cristina: Which I don't know what that means.

Jack: I don't know what that means either.

Cristina: Almost perfect too. You probably can't enter the shadow, the.

Jack: Fairy world, which me then what's the point of it, right? There's a lot of weird when it comes to that. Really complicated. Like what's a. What a waste.

Cristina: Yeah, that is weird.

Jack: But it is. I don't know. Now, the Caldenia, the guy with the bow, he falls in love with that princess, hides a bow and they together form on Earth realm the Funan dynasty. Which is one of the few places where Naga and humans live in pieces together, which is one of two interesting places of this nature that we have found. Or not two, but two types. With the other being we have recently found out about the home of Nephilim being together up north in Norway.

Cristina: Oh yeah. But that one's even more complicated.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But we got both, which is interesting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we know of shadow people just living amongst humans. Or not just humans, but earthlings in general. But we'll circle back to that as we come through those. Because the real point of this dynasty is that it brings us to the next bit of information that we discovered following. Because chasing the Naga was in formation dense. We still haven't left the Naga. We're still just talking about the Naga right now. Because the Funan dynasty. The home of Caldinia where he impregnates his wife and has a half Naga, half human hybrid. Astika. That's when we first found out that a perfect enough human form for a Naga is indistinguishable from a human form for Ib. For a human. So a human can reproduce as long. Presumably as long as the Naga does not leave that form. Or if they did change to form with their body move in such a way that the baby would be safe. I don't know.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: I don't know how this is.

Jack: Thoughts?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Thoughts you don't normally think about.

Cristina: Like if it was a snake while they had sex with that guy.

Jack: No one had to be a woman. It couldn't get pregnant as a snake. And then again, back to more Naga stuff. Man. These episodes with the Naga it was two episodes. Because there's so much crap. I remember that much. This is where we also learn about the Supasatra. Which is. Is what? Astika, the son of Caldinia saved many Naga from which was the leader of a region in that time. Was he figured out his great great grandfather had somehow figured out how to create a ritual that would result in philosopher stones made from Naga. And this guy went out of his way to execute the plan. And that's when we find out. Oh, there could be fairy philosopher stones.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. This takes us back to those fairy trees or something we're not sure. Are portals created from dead fairies?

Jack: Are portals created to dead from dead fairies? Because the trees just creating Earth Realm means the trees created the portal that sprung a whole universe. So if the tree did that, then the death of a fairy is such a weird phenomenon that burying it in the wrong place resulted in the creation of a universe.

Cristina: Well, the wrong Place. I feel like it was done intentionally.

Jack: Yes, but not where they're supposed to be. Maybe this is the first of that. Or there are way more realms branching out of shadow that we can't access. Okay, so shadow can. And Elfame can, but we can't. Because whatever thing is happening here is preventing us from moving sideways. But we can move up or down.

Cristina: Okay. Unless we figured out.

Jack: Unless we figured out how to do more.

Cristina: Well, we don't. But those other people.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: They have to know how to, though. How are they so much better than everything else as far as we can see? I don't know.

Jack: But the. The creation of. So what's the process? Well, our guess is that Yaldabaoth used fairies, killed them then. No, it doesn't make sense. Because did he use the death of fairies to make the stone? Or did he use the death of fairies to make the trees? The weird problem we didn't think about because again, we didn't talk about this back to back, but what the h*** did he use the fairies for then? It seems kind of clear at this point. Yaldabao murdered a bunch of fairies.

Cristina: And he could have done both.

Jack: He could have done both. Because the point is he has a philosopher so made of fairies. Yeah, like fairies are dead. That's just what it is.

Cristina: And we know there are trees, and.

Jack: We know they're trees. But I don't think that the fairies made the portal. I think, no, it's so hard because they made the portal, the tree portal. But the other portals know because sorcerers are figuring that out. Necromancers are figuring something different. So there's a different way to do it. It's not really the way we're looking at. The fairies had nothing to do with those portals. The fairies are responsible for accidentally creating Earthrealm as a result of their own death and of creating a philosopher's stone, which chances are, the first fairies to die made the philosopher's stone. The second fairy Sedai were planted, creating the trees that then resulted in Earthrealm, thus being an intention of Yaldabaoth philosopher's stone used on fairy to make tree.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I think maybe that's the order. I don't think it was plant the fairy's corpse and boom, tree happens. Because that's what happens in fairy forts. You. But that has a tree too, d*** it. There is a tree. Where you plant the fairy is a problem. Yes, but then why don't those have the sacred fruits?

Cristina: Because they're the fruits. Are there they're just on the shadow realm side.

Jack: Shadow realm side? Yeah, we don't see them. The fruits only grow on the shadow room side.

Cristina: How do we know the fruits and the stones are not one and the same?

Jack: Because the fruits were seeked in the shadow in the Forest of Shadows, and the stone is made of dead people. Both El and Jehovah had to travel to the Forest of Shadows along with the. The judge's sister. Okay, Inanna, all three cases is they have to go to the Forest of Shadows. While the two factual instances we do know for a fact and the one that is asserted by the circumstances surrounding it, which is Yaldabaoths, all the first two literally have texts telling us that people were essentially sacrificed. And Yaldabouths is essentially suggested circumstantially that he must have because he has a stone made of dead fairies. Like, how do you get it, bro? Okay, it is really complicated.

Cristina: Are they making stones and trees?

Jack: How are they making stones and trees if it's the fairies? And the idea here is fairy farming and fairies are the ones on the back foot right. Now, maybe at some point they weren't, but at some point around the time where the elves were designated to start putting some caps on people's ability to continue expanding around that time, that's when it was too late.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: You know, and like, that's when they were on the back foot. That's why they did it. So something happened around that time, which is a hundred years before Christ. 100 to 300. Somewhere in that ballpark, before Jesus is when fairies. Shut up.

Cristina: Shut up. Okay.

Jack: The. Well, specifically the elves.

Cristina: Which ones are the elves?

Jack: The ones stopping the power or the development beyond a certain capacity, I think started hitting the fan back then.

Cristina: Anything. They were the ones that were sacrificed to make stone or.

Jack: No, no. But I think that they are on the back foot. And I think that the problem here is that maybe the people on this side are so rapid that in progress that fairy farming is becoming quite viable. And that's a problem, at least for the people of Alfame. Now, this is crazy because we learned a lot just from like deep diving into the Naga. That was the most useful information dump we have had for a while. And that opened mad doors. This was just. Again, those two episodes entirely came from us having done the previous summary of information. And we're already coming up with just interesting ideas that we have not thought before.

Cristina: Still so many questions, but yes, so much info.

Jack: But following the train of thought, it worked with the Nanga So do it with everything. So then the next group that we decided to put a magnifying glass on was the Garden of Eden. Because just the realization that the Garden of Eden is the name of the group was an amazing revelation on its own. Now, what are the Garden of Eden? They are the Elysian group with Jehovah, Lilith, Nahas, the serpent, Lucifer, Samael and many others. Many, many others. Now, going through that, we learned quite the bit of information that we did not know before. Interesting tidbits that we discovered. One, there is a discrepancy with Lilith that seems incoherent among the text.

Cristina: Oh, how? When exactly? Does she betray them or something? Yeah, like in the timeline.

Jack: Yeah, where she fits. Exactly. Exactly. Because it seems as she exists both around the time of El and around the time of Jehovah, which is fine. Sizen does too. But then did you. Did you. Didn't you lose your privileges when you used Adam? How are you here again? But you weren't there for Eve, it seems. There's no mention of Lilith during Eve and that's notable. There's just no Lilith. But then we get to making of Jesus and Lilith is there again and it's like, not in the Bible, but if we look at all the Gnostic text, she keeps popping up and it's like, but why? And like, what is this middle period you were in? This doesn't make any sense.

Cristina: She was punished and she's cast out.

Jack: Officially by Jehovah, but she left willingly from L. So I don't. Yeah, like what?

Cristina: The all happened the way, way long ago. Yes, she left and she came back.

Jack: She didn't come back to anything. This is a different guy.

Cristina: Oh, she didn't come back. She joined a new group, I guess.

Jack: Yeah. So Lilith. Weird time gaps, but that wasn't as. It's not impactful as much as it is interesting. And maybe we'll revisit if information tells us that is more useful than we think it is. But even more interesting is Lucifer, because there's a trio here that's really weird. And it's essentially Lilith, Lucifer and Samael, because Lilith is the right hand to Lucifer. Lilith is. Or Samael is in love with Lilith, so he goes wherever she goes. Lucifer uses Samael's DNA, physical structure and body to then create a replica using a transitioning technique he discovered to turn himself from a shadow person into an Elysian.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Weird. So he looks identical, sounds identical, is physically indistinguishable from Samael, but that's fine.

Cristina: Shadow version of him?

Jack: Sort of, yeah. Except he's. He isn't Elysian. He just has additional characteristics. It should be impossible. Which. Yeah, the shadow version of him, but then it doesn't matter because original Samael then uses Naha's DNA and physical structure, or not DNA, but the equivalent of whatever you're gonna get out of a fairy and his physical structure, along with Lucifer's transition technique to then become Anaga himself. Yeah, with the help of Lilith. This was a Lilith experiment. So Lucifer looks like. Sounds like Samael.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Who is in love with Lilith, who is Lucifer's right hand lady to begin with. So now the guy who's trying to f*** her is her boss. And a snake is now trying to her.

Cristina: That's Lucifer trying to.

Jack: No, Lucifer's not. Oh, the guy who's trying to her is a snake.

Cristina: Oh yeah.

Jack: Now he's a snake.

Cristina: Yeah, but she was cool with that. She want him to be one.

Jack: Yeah, sure. He's a puppy or a slave or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But now your boss looks like the guy who's trying to you. It's a problem. The guy who's trying to you is your boss.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: You know, it's. It's such a complicated mess happening there.

Cristina: Yes, yes, it is. But how. Boss is a weird word. I feel like they all work together.

Jack: Yeah, they work together, but there is. I. I would. Yeah, boss is the wrong terminology here because Lucifer wasn't the leader anyways. It was Jehovah.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. If anyone was gonna be put say they're the leader. Like these three were just working together hand in hand. And not really, because weren't they all doing their own thing, sort of. Well, Lilith, at least they all had.

Jack: Different types of projects. But the projects would consistently intersect with one another.

Cristina: Yeah, they were more like co workers.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Then out of the Garden of Eden individuals. Where it gets really, really weird is with the Samael and Lucifer combination minus Lilith. Because then that explains a lot of the confusion that exists throughout history. If we consider Samael, Lucifer and replace Lilith with Nahas. Now if we put them in a row, we have Samael in the middle, Mahas on one side and Lucifer on the other. The events of all three of these people are impossible to distinct who did what because you don't know who's who at what time because of when their transitions happen and what they are. Somebody in the Garden of Eden used incorrectly tech that was there and was cast. That's Lilith. Yes, Right. The serpent she was with was Nahas. He's the member of the team. Lucifer was not involved in doing this. No the first time. But we think Lucifer. But really? Because we think Lucifer and we think Samael and we think Samael and we think serpent and then serpent links us back to Nahas and then bam. Oh. Lucifer is the snake.

Cristina: But he's not.

Jack: But he's not. Nahas is the snake. That had nothing to do with Lucifer. Lucifer got blamed for some other s***.

Cristina: Yes. But he was definitely doing something much later. Yeah.

Jack: It was Lucifer's departure. Happens with Jehovah. Because Jehovah says we're no longer sharing.

Cristina: Yes. Because everyone was dying.

Jack: Yeah. And he's like. Well he agreed with that part. But he's like we should share with the people who are capable that we've proven are capable. And he's like no, no, we're not sharing with anybody anymore. What we got is what we need. That's it. And it's like you're gonna leave everybody in the Stone Age and we're just gonna dip on them. So he was not down with that. And that's where that disagreement happened. But that happens in the year one to us.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know that's very, very, very different than Lilith using Adam at the wrong time a hundred and fifty zero zero zero years ago and now has having just been around and Lucifer being blamed for some that was outside of his existence. Which is what happened. D***. And then Samael also has nothing to do with any of this. Actually somehow is just an elation. But no, this is a funny.

Cristina: Because that's her boyfriend.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: No.

Jack: I guess. I don't know. It's not clear. I don't think that was terminology that made sense back then. They weren't married. Nahas was also not back there. 156000 years. I have no idea why both Lucifer and Nahas got toss the boss for some.

Cristina: Lilith did that long ago.

Jack: Yeah. I don't know why that's in the book like that. It doesn't show up anywhere else. It does not. It's Lilith. It was 100%. She's the only one who did anything.

Cristina: Well they kind of took her out of the book. So they just replaced her with the other guys. Exactly.

Jack: Members from later. They're basically just trying to cut off. I guess that's. I guess that's part of it. They're trying to cut off anything before Jehovah. Yeah, no, I just. Just began 5,000 years ago.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: Recent. So you can't have any of that other. It's like if you cut that off, then Lilith didn't do.

Cristina: Okay, that makes sense.

Jack: Lilith who, bro?

Cristina: Yeah, Lilith who?

Jack: Well, the thing still happened. Oh, that guy did it. Yeah, it. Both of them? No, it's one dude. It's one dude.

Cristina: Double bro makes the story more simple.

Jack: Simple, but d***. That means he's just throwing random people under the bus for absolutely no reason. Lucifer and Nahas both got shafted somehow is sketchy because he does weird. I understand people being like, Lucifer's supposed to do bad stuff, so I'm okay one. But it's because somehow really does some sketchy. He just does whatever the h*** Lilith wants. Like turning his freak himself into a serpent thing.

Cristina: Yeah, but how does that affect anyone?

Jack: For what?

Cristina: I don't know. That's just a creepy kinky thing that they're doing. I don't know.

Jack: He could still turn back to a dude.

Cristina: Yeah, like how does that affect the world?

Jack: Yeah, I guess. I guess it's ultimately unimportant. And his base form. But his base form is a snake. That's really what it is.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He could just human out. Not human. I guess I'm not human. But he can Alicia now. Oh yeah. I want to. But she's also. Whatever. She was already kinky. She's not elation to begin with.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Not even human. She's not from Earth.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Some other. Some other s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like whatever. She's down with putting crap in holes or whatever they do.

Cristina: Whatever they do.

Jack: I'd never thought about it. Whoa.

Cristina: No idea.

Jack: There's a lot we don't know. No, just stupid abstract questions that don't cross our mind. Like how do shadow people reproduce random side episode to do one there.

Cristina: Yes. But also. Yes, please. What if they do need something special? Because why did she make. She made her children through the stone. She didn't give birth to children. But maybe there are stories of her giving birth to children. I don't know.

Jack: You have a point. That is incredible.

Cristina: I don't know. We'll find. We'll figure that out in the future.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting, interesting, interesting. Because she did use the. I mean. No, this is the floor man.

Cristina: Well, the story says she gave birth, but in real life she used the stone or something like that. But you have an idea?

Jack: No, I'm just fascinated by the idea that she did in fact feel this professional, this individual who knows what to do, when to do, still felt the impulse to drive to make life with the stone and all the descriptors put Lilith as female among the shadow people. Whatever that means. And her interest seems male based on her interest for somehow who is a male. An Elysian male, which, okay, maybe they can't reproduce and this was the way the desperate. Because what is. Oh my God.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. The first guy who used the stone. No, that doesn't make sense.

Jack: No, no, no, listen to me, listen to me. It's connecting. It's connecting because the point, the one point, the goal of Osteomorphous, the Naga that was artificially made by Yaldabaoth was with d expressive intent. To what?

Cristina: Make more.

Jack: Make more. But why? Why didn't we connect those two dots before?

Cristina: That has more to do with the shadow. I mean, no, with the ship.

Jack: Let's just make more. Make more, as far as we know, just make more is the one thing connecting Lilith using the stone and yeah, we've connected to completely random things. He just impulsively went out of their way.

Cristina: But we know that there's children in the Shadow Realm. Didn't someone have a daughter who traded lives with a princess or. No, she was a princess. She's a daughter slash princess.

Jack: Yes, yes, like Inanna.

Cristina: Yes, but at the same time, did they only start giving birth after the guy made the stone? Like, was the first thing he found out about fairies killed fairies made more Shadow Realm people when he was making more humans. Like, did that happen at the same time? Okay, I know we know time works differently too. Or maybe we had that idea in the beginning of this episode.

Jack: Not that we know that time does work very differently. But there is something very interesting that you have just mentioned. Keep in mind, I have to compose this with ideas of where I'm going to some degree, right? So I look for things that I'm going to we free for all. But I know what I want to talk about. So I leave a lot of timestamps when they don't matter out, because who cares? But for the sake of timestamping things, there is a weird pattern that I did notice and I looked into and couldn't find anything of significance. Where maybe about 500 years before Christ to about the 1800s with the very center point being the big chunky peak. It seems that stories of creatures we would describe from the Shadow Realm get more frequent and more frequent and more frequent. And then getting to somewhere im like the 1100s or so, it starts tapering off, slowing down, slowing down just less and less. But there's that hot spot in the middle, just for no reason. We've joked about these periods in the past saying that this was one of those moments where the Catholic Church was just pumping out a bunch of demons and s***. We've talked about stuff like that before, but we've not addressed the time specifically because that wasn't relevant to the episode. We were just talking about the Church and the Simpson or this creature specifically. But this pattern has persisted where around the 1100s is the most explosive amount of stories. But it kind of falls off.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And there's kind of like a tiny little spike 17 to 1800 right before it almost goes nowhere. And now we just got alien source. But interesting because did they figure a thing out? Was what's the point of the f****** of Oceomorphos to use. If you really are a hundred percent what you are, then your powers like Oros. Because Ophiomorphos purpose is to be like Oros, not like any other Naga. Yaldabaoths Naga, the one he artificially created.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And Osteomorphous is to create more, which means you are perfect like Oto's, which means you can do things that Mab would ask. Things beyond the capacity that a normal Naga would ask. You wouldn't be described as a Naga. You're described as a fairy.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Oros, which means Osteomorphous is identical. Which means asking Ophiomorphos to give my people the ability to produce, to reproduce, to give birth, to multiply. Allow us to multiply would in theory be within the capacity of Ospeomorphos, because Yaldabaoth would have successfully created a God more powerful than he. With Osteomorphous, if he is identical to Otos, who is a fairy. And then you get the people to multiply and we have this giant spike. Then we get Yalda going to visit L and Sizen being there too. And then Derek, because he already went back there to tamper with them when they were just whatever the h***. They start to get really intelligent, start to get really overpowered. Technology here are other realms. Know about it. Look for it. Find me when you have the tech buddy. Also, there's my son. Go, go join him.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Mingle.

Cristina: Yeah, mingle.

Jack: Hang out. Also we can reproduce now. I have a son. What? I have a f****** son. You meet my f****** son.

Cristina: What's that?

Jack: What's that about? Could he not have a son before? Is that that? Did he not. And then he did the thing and now he could have a son. And he has a son. Citizen has a f****** mom.

Cristina: No, I mean if they're using this tech, they don't need to.

Jack: It wouldn't be tech if they used. If they got altered by Oros.

Cristina: Thing is changing.

Jack: I guess it's not auto, but. Osteomorphous.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Is autos short for something? Because then if. If it is, then I could just shorten ospeomorphos as well and say otos and also OS4 or whatever crap.

Cristina: No, that doesn't sound good. There should be a way to turn it, but we haven't figured. What was his whole name again?

Jack: Osfeomorphous?

Cristina: Morpheus.

Jack: We could say Morpheus. Morpheus, but. Yeah. So that's some s***. This is exactly the point of this. When we see the information all stacked up together, certain things become clear that we wouldn't have thought about before. Is reproduction part of this objective for all of them? I don't know. Because it also seems like there is a huge counter. Like there's a fight of, you know, an attempt to stop this from happening coming from Alfame. Like, why it has to be for more than just the reproduction part.

Cristina: I know, but a lot of it has to do with the reproduction part.

Jack: It seems like at least Yalda and Lilith, who are two quite important individuals, both had reproduction on their minds.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Tells us.

Cristina: But what are the stones for if it's not for that too? I don't know. Because it's reproduction in its own other way. Like, you know, making us. Yeah, we're children.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: There's some experiment. We're also. They're giving birth to us.

Jack: In a way, what we're missing is essentially the quantum theory. You get my point? Like the thing that's connecting that. We got a lot of completed ideas, and we know they're all related, but we don't know what the f*** that centerpiece is that connects them is. But we know. We see it. We visualize how it goes together. But we don't see the centerpiece. And it's like, it's not there anywhere. Why does. Why hasn't any of this revealed to us the ultimate goal?

Cristina: Because they. They hit it very well.

Jack: Tell me about it very well is an under f****** statement at this point. They hit it well, that's the. No, it's invisible, dude. What?

Cristina: It's not completely invisible. We have glimpses here and there.

Jack: No, we don't. We don't. No, no. We have. Not even the slightest.

Cristina: We have shadows.

Jack: Yeah. At best.

Cristina: At best? Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Random mentions of s*** that makes no sense until we get the proper other mention. And then we're like, oh, Just looking.

Cristina: At a bunch of little, little things. Okay.

Jack: Scraps here and there. And when you looked at enough scraps, one of them that you saw a long a** time ago clicks with this one, you're like, oh, wow. I got one piece of information out of all this. It's tragic.

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know what it's all about at the end of the day.

Jack: Yeah. All right. Samael is the first individual to discover how to grow fruits from the Forest of Shadows in earthrealm. And he started with the fruit of knowledge, which is useful. Don't know how the h*** he did it, but he did it. And that's important. They figured he figured it out. He figured out how to grow because again, you put the fairy in the ground, the tree comes out. It's just a tree, but on the other side. But he figured out how to get the thing out without having to go.

Cristina: Put the fairy in the ground. I think that. I don't know, it's complicated.

Jack: Like, the death of the fairy grows the tree.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, I think it comes out of the fairy.

Jack: So you put the fairy in the ground.

Cristina: No, the fairy is not going in the ground. The fairy's just dying where it's at.

Jack: Oh, I get what you mean. Yeah, yeah. He'll just become the ground.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, fair enough.

Jack: You don't have to bury it. You kill the fairy. Boom. Tree happens there.

Cristina: Yes. Because the. The whole idea of it being in all the realms, like, no, it's not gonna be bird, because that doesn't make any sense.

Jack: It doesn't make any sense. Yes. But the idea that they do. Oh, that's interesting. Right, because the idea that they do exist, kind of like they could just pop in and out without needing portals. Very logical. When you just think of the fact that one dying literally connected to random points in space.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: That's weird.

Cristina: Okay, that does.

Jack: That's weird. I guess that was a fact. And we didn't know that was a fact. And the fact of the matter was there because we've debated how are they jumping? How. How are they getting from point A? We know they could just be there, but how? No. Did something about this. This part isn't tech. There's something about their makeup that's different enough.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But they're just there. And when they die, somehow because of that being everywhere. Well, everywhere kind of gets tied in. That spot. Weird. They die and where they die, everywhere just gets tied together.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: But it's weird. But there's some other Things so.

Jack: And Yalda learned this fact and uses it.

Cristina: And how he learned it, how he learned it, how to make a weapon to kill fairies. Had to be with a fairy helping. I don't know. So why would a fairy help him?

Jack: Lucifer leaves the garden after having a disagreement with Jehovah which was disagreement we discussed.

Cristina: Yes, let's share knowledge. But also the knowledge is killing them.

Jack: Yeah. They can't handle it. They're self destructing. But a couple of civilizations could handle it. And he wanted to find those. And Jehovah was like, no, we're done finding people.

Cristina: Because it's, it's just the. I guess it's not balance of like how many are actually surviving versus not surviving. Like say they did this. They didn't do it just to four people and then only two made it. It was probably hundreds of civilization the Earth. Exactly. And only two old equator. Exactly.

Jack: Surrounds the Earth.

Cristina: So how many civilizations.

Jack: One of the civilizations that made it isn't even around it.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: How many places weren't around the old equator that we don't know about that they tried and didn't work?

Cristina: Yeah, the amount, exactly the total amount to just know about these.

Jack: Yeah. No, it's too much.

Cristina: It's a big, big failure.

Jack: Just the ones we do know failed.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the two we know didn't.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's like. No, this is pretty bad.

Cristina: It's pretty bad.

Jack: Just how many don't we know about? And still we only know two made it. D***.

Cristina: That's pretty crazy. That's pretty bad.

Jack: And the problem is we have their corroborating information and they don't mention a third party other than the Elysians.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it is just all three of them. Yeah, that's it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's other groups who have made progress on their own, but not. They have collapsed under the weight of Alicia knowledge.

Cristina: No. Which. Who knows what that number is.

Jack: But they try. I mean, I guess. So the. The argument here is you side with Jehovah. You think it's a logic a lot. Yeah, I guess.

Cristina: Yeah. It's. It's just too much that if everyone.

Jack: Dies, you should give the people the choice. You tell them.

Cristina: I don't know how they could understand. Like they have to know it first to know it and then they. They end up killing themselves because of it. Like I don't know. It's complicated.

Jack: Yeah. No, you don't have to explain that. You explain to them that, look, this is really like here people, People we're about to Share this with. This is really advanced. Many civilizations have completely destroyed themselves after we have given them our technology and our knowledge. They have simply not been able to cope. Their governments have collapsed, their infrastructure, their economy, all of it has fallen apart due to these things. Many times over. We need you guys to come to a collective agreement.

Cristina: You don't know anything about humans. Because of course they're gonna be like, we're the ones that are gonna make it. It's like people getting married. Yeah, yeah, we're the ones.

Jack: We're the ones who are gonna do it. They're all gonna sign up.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: They're all gonna say, no, we can do it.

Cristina: Yes. Like, in what. What's world are we not like, yes, we're gonna. Like, who's gonna be like, what? That knowledge. Oh, I guess we shouldn't take that knowledge. No. Like, what? Who do you think? Which of. Like, who's gonna be like, no, nobody.

Jack: Nobody.

Cristina: Who do you think?

Jack: Nobody. Especially if they know other humans have been given the opportunity. No, now we have to do it. Pride.

Cristina: Yeah. Now we have to. Yes. They're gonna be like, oh, well, we can't let those people get it.

Jack: Exactly.

Cristina: Then, yeah, he's not gonna give it to us.

Jack: He's gonna offer it to somebody else. And I'm not gonna let him do that.

Cristina: Yeah, no way.

Jack: I'm gonna be the fourth one. Our people, we're obviously the chosen, and then they collapse.

Cristina: Yep. It's no way to explain it.

Jack: No. Yeah, you're right. Okay, so Lucifer's wrong. It's this. Yeah, you're right. You're right, you're right. Lucifer's wrong. Yeah, His. The sentiment is right.

Cristina: Yes, sure. But.

Jack: But I guess we're talking science. Why are you getting emotional?

Cristina: I think that's. They have to probably wait until we're more. Like when they.

Jack: It's perfect. Until getting somebody new to understand is a perfect unfeeling formula.

Cristina: But they have to keep doing the whole thing, though, of making more, which it doesn't seem like they're doing either, of using philosopher's stones to create more better humans, etc. Like after Jesus. That was that. I mean, yes, they do test it out somewhat, but like, he was the peak and that was it, I guess.

Jack: But Arthur functioned, but Arthur died.

Cristina: Yeah, he's not what they were like originally.

Jack: It was a self contained incident too. It was just somebody handling their personal s***.

Cristina: It's not like. I don't think they're trying to make puppets. I mean, now they do. Only because they can. Like he's a puppet in a way.

Jack: Arthur was a puppet. So is Joseph.

Cristina: Yeah, but like, their. Their original plan wasn't to make puppets, I think.

Jack: I don't think it was either. It was just to make an overpowered elite who's gonna do what we want. And then the big problem happened, and then you gotta get rid of them. But now you created resentment.

Cristina: Yes, but I think the goal was to make more of us, but of that us.

Jack: Jesus. More Jesus.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Minus the problem.

Cristina: Yes, I guess.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like that seems the big goal is making more of something because then we'd cross.

Jack: But I don't. I guess because Jesus can't just enter, Jesus still, even after dying, still needs to obey the laws that govern reality. So he still ends up in shadow. But luckily knew this would play out this way. Goes through the gate and gets back. But without the gate, he'd be trapped over there. He's not a fairy. He doesn't just poof over here.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So then what would the point of making a bunch of Jesuses be if it wasn't for the fact that people were having visions of him? What you accomplish, guys? Like, what's the ta da?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: So what's Jesus minus the annoying part?

Cristina: What was any of us? What was the next thing? And then the next thing? And then the next thing was the goal, Right? Yeah. Well, okay, was that experiment over now?

Jack: I don't know. Because if. If that's the real question, then the question is, then why do we do it?

Cristina: Do what?

Jack: Why Is there an iPhone 15? Why do we now have electric cars when we had carriages? Why didn't we stop at carriages? Why do we go to the next thing?

Cristina: And how do we know when to stop?

Jack: How do we know when to stop? So we make androids that work perfectly. Real androids? Tesla androids look like people now. But wait. Inefficient. We gotta keep getting fuel. What if they could just eat. Okay, so how do we get it to fuel itself organically? Well, if we can replicate all of our physiological systems, then in theory we can have a completely indistinguishable structure. And it's like. That's for no reason.

Cristina: That's for.

Jack: I just landed us at how we would get to.

Cristina: Yeah, what they got to for no reason.

Jack: I took a stair and there was no goal. That's how easy it is to get there. If you're just following science. That's how easy we just stumbled it.

Cristina: The end of the day, it's just scientists Being scientists.

Jack: But then the question is, what the is Elfame scared of? That's where it gets sketchy. That's where it gets weird. If at some point everybody looks like they're hiding from something, you look at them long enough, they're scared of something.

Cristina: What is.

Jack: And the problem is, we also have the least amount of information of Elfim, in that order. Elfame. The least shadow. Very shaky little.

Cristina: We know fairies can die. Could the world be destroyed? It doesn't feel like anyone can go in there. I don't know how.

Jack: It doesn't feel like anybody could get there except Joseph.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess. I don't know. I don't know.

Jack: There's something huge missing. The problem is how little information we get from Elfin.

Cristina: Yeah, that's really what it comes down to.

Jack: D***. I guess the first episode of next year is gonna have to be the continuation of this.

Cristina: What?

Jack: There is some more recap to go. We're fair enough. Open the year on the ring.

Cristina: That works. Okay. Okay, that's pretty good.

Jack: Some more to go. But I like these summaries because they make us think about things, they inform us, discover things, and seeing it all together changes perspective. And it's going to tell us what to look at next collectively.

Cristina: Awesome.

Jack: Anyways, if you guys want to tell us what you think of any of this or any of the episodes from this year or how weird this show has gotten.

Cristina: Can you see some kind of connection that we cannot see?

Jack: Send us a message to tell us about it. Just convopod everywhere. All the platforms X and TikTok and Instagram and Facebook.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And word of mouth is the most overpowered thing that has ever existed in the history of humanity. So use it. Tell people about the show.

Cristina: This has been the rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. You're like, wait, how the h*** did somebody across the ocean mention exactly the same thing using the same exact words? What the f***? Wait, how is the story of Jesus obviously corrupted in the Bible? But if you were to just connect the individual pieces of narrative from all the places he was allegedly at, they don't match what's in the Bible. This is something entirely different. Because the Bible's trying to brainwash everybody. They don't expect anybody to go to the f****** Source and be like, hey, what do you personally have on this?

Cristina: What's the source?

Jack: The Source is the countries. Bethlehem and Nazareth and Cyprus and the people who were in these locations and the prophecies left behind, which are left in hieroglyphs and in old writings. All the things we found that are telling us about this. It's a bit absurd how much of.

Cristina: This is infinite and oddly connected. Yeah. Good morning. Good morning. This podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister, with social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 251: King Arthur and Excalibur

Is Excalibur a magical weapon similar to Kaundinya’s Magic Bow? What was so special about King Arthur? And who exactly is Merlin? The duo deep dive into the texts associated with the legendary King Arthur as they try to find other weapons capable of taking the life of a fairy

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Topics Discussed:

  • Magical Weapons
  • King Arthur
  • Excalibur
  • The Lady of the Lake
  • Morgan Le Fay
  • Merlin
  • Future Sight
  • Time Control

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Ramblin Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and their most baffling ideas.

Cristina: Sounds epic, I guess.

Jack: Sounds epic enough. You think like. Like it could be used as a movie trailer. The world's most absurd and baffling ideas. No, it's. There's a specific, like, rhythm or, like cadence or flow to how these movie people speak. Right. Like just being epic isn't good enough. There's a rhythm to something else. To the world's most epic and baffling ideas. You see, there's like a thing that. That's happening. Like a cliche sound. You gotta approach.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling. Ide.

Cristina: Now say as a boy talking about.

Jack: Ghost stories on YouTube, a boy talking about. I gotta remember their flow.

Cristina: They have a specific flow, too. They all sound the same.

Jack: Yeah, it's like.

Cristina: It's like a question type of thing.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if you know, you know. So it would be. Welcome to Rambling Pod. Welcome. Welcome to the Rambling Pod. No, man. How would it work? Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. Oh, I got it. Welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas.

Cristina: Close.

Jack: There's something almost there. Almost.

Cristina: It has to sound more like a question. More. Just a little more.

Jack: No, it's. It's not even just a question, right? Because it could be. Welcome to the Rambling Podcast.

Cristina: No, that's a question.

Jack: It's a. It's. Again, it comes down to flow. It's like saying, welcome to the Rambling Pod. No, man, I lost it. I lost it.

Cristina: When you had it at first, when you said something random, you had it the first thing.

Jack: I don't know if you look. No, no, no, no.

Cristina: It's that. It's that.

Jack: It's not even a question. It doesn't matter if it's a question.

Cristina: It just sounds weird, goes downwards at.

Jack: The end, counter to how we usually sound, which is an interesting thing for speech. I don't know how, like, language has evolved into such a way that we can just use cadence. I mean, Eddie Izzard has that joke where he's saying gibberish that sounds French but in the rhythm of a joke. The way it's structured and the way the punchline would Sound. And then the joke gets conveyed. Not a real joke, but you know when to laugh. And it's funny. It's actually funny. How it's structured and how baffled you.

Cristina: Are, even if you don't know what he's saying.

Jack: Yeah, he's not saying anything. It's gibberish. You couldn't write this joke down if you wanted to. This joke could literally only exist in performance form because there's no real words to it. It's entirely based on cadence. How weird of a joke is that? But that's where language is. He exploited a weird feature of language where you can know. I'm asking you a question in any language.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like that rhythm of that rhythm of. Is that a question or is it that rhythm?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Where are you going? What are you doing?

Cristina: Yeah. I go.

Jack: Yeah. If you hear. We're programmed enough to hear that weird. And that's that movie flow. And that freaking YouTube thing. I never even got it. Welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. No, it's off. Anyways, anyways, today we actually do still have to ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas.

Cristina: So you got some more absurd and baffling ideas for us?

Jack: Yeah, I do. So, quick recap, because it's been a while, we actually took a little break. We went on our little hiatus. Was it two days break? Two weeks break in seven years.

Cristina: That's crazy. That's pretty crazy. Yep.

Jack: Commitment.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So in that time, though, I was still doing my due, due diligence, and something weird kind of happened. It was a lot of time to dig into a single idea. And so let's recap real quick some of the important details that are related to this episode.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Primarily, we discovered recently that Elysians mixing up with humans, creating a hybrid, are called the Nephilim. We've heard of the Nephilim in the past.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But now. Now we got the Nephilim in our own text, and that is something astounding.

Cristina: Yeah, I don't think we've ever actually talked about them. Like, we never had an episode on Nephilim.

Jack: I don't even believe we've ever brought them up, which is fascinating. No, if they have, it's been so.

Cristina: Long, I think a guest brought them up.

Jack: A guest brought them up?

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah, because they were talking about weird stuff in the Bible or something. Oh, but that's, like, mad as small.

Jack: Yeah, you'd think. And until now, I didn't even. It didn't even cross my mind. But why through all these texts, religion like this is hidden. Hidden Way back there, bro. We came across the sea people mentioned in literal scripture before we came across. Like we learned how to track that before we even heard mention of this. But then the argument would be. Well, no, because the Norse were just human, right? Or do they stop being human? I still don't know. Okay, so we know that the. No, I think they just evolved. Right? That's the argument here. They weren't genetically modified, the Alicians.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Like they. They're not human, but they're Earthling. Like they just developed. But where the Greek.

Cristina: Like the Greek gods and their Norse gods are they.

Jack: Were they just human? Because all that came later. I think that's the point here, that all of them came from human. That's human plus technology. As opposed to the Elysians that are non human earthlings that evolved from a different bloodline. That they're human and way longer ago. I think that's where it kind of falls in, right?

Cristina: Yes, yes, I believe that's how it is.

Jack: Yeah. Anyways, so we have the Nephilim and the Elysian, which is an Elysian human hybrid. Now we've also heard for comparison of a Naga human hybrid, which was when a Naga took a human form. So convincing that they could give birth to a Naga human hybrid. Weird, weird. And we have never seen a shadow human hybrid.

Cristina: Very strange. But I guess not.

Jack: I mean, it would be impossible, I think, because in order to even have something close to a human physical body or to an earthly physical body, Lucifer needed a host and a whole science project.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To get himself that body.

Cristina: I wonder if an Elysian and a Shadow person. Because shadow people did make the first life on Earth. So maybe the most ancient of life on Earth could maybe. I mean, we don't have any stories.

Jack: I think not. I think not. I think the spaces are literally different.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And I think when we have a Naga, a Naga is taking. It's forcing its body to become human. Otherwise it's not really physical. It might seem like a serpent and still be ethereal maybe or some other thing. Because the ethereals are essentially the shadow people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The shadow things.

Cristina: The shadow things, yeah.

Jack: Unless the Naga are physical in that way. Like if I were to just touch a Naga, it's just. It just feels like a snake. I'm not going through it. It's not some other kind of. But then that would argue that Elfame and Earth are more closely related.

Cristina: Physical. I don't know. I don't know.

Jack: I've never thought about this before. Are Elfhame and Earth more closely related? And that's why people of Shadow can't mate with Earthlings. But a Naga can just take a human form in their biology. It's just close enough that they could do it.

Cristina: Weird. I don't know.

Jack: I never thought about this. And this is right in front of us.

Cristina: There's something there. I guess because of the Shadow person who did make the us.

Jack: Yes. And the fact that this. It seems to be that although this came after Shadow, there's something important about Earth.

Cristina: Yes. Why did they make Earth when they had the Shadow realm? What were they doing with fairy trees?

Jack: And what's special about Earth that we can use things that Shadow can. Yeah. Think about how crazy that is.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: And this comes up. This is the second time this come up. Right. Or the third. Where is some feature about us that's different than Shadow that somehow makes us closer to the thing that we're furthest from?

Cristina: Yeah, I don't know. Because we are an experiment. So I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. It looks more and more that way now. Minus the Naga, like I said, we have not seen shadow human hybrids. But also minus the Naga, we have not seen fairy human hybrids. I'm still debating whether the Naga are technically.

Cristina: Aren't they technically.

Jack: Are they fairies? Because they were made by. They're not natural. From there. They were made also as an experiment. Like Oros was made.

Cristina: Weird. Okay, so you're saying that both the experiment things can mate with each other. That is so weird. Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: But the Naga is just an Elfame experiment.

Cristina: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, we're just an experiment too.

Jack: Yeah, we're just an experiment too.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Now when we were looking at all of these things, we decided to go through them independently. That's how we discovered more about the Elysians. We discovered more about the Shadow teams. We know about the Earth teams. We know. All the different God teams we know. We talked about some fairies we knew. And one thing we focused on for two episodes actually were the Naga. Because there are a lot of interesting Naga. There's a lot of Naga that have existed. There's a lot of civilizations that were expected to be more developed that haven't. Also. What happened to those people's Naga after the civilizations collapsed? What they mean in all these abandoned ancient societies that have disappeared, but that we don't talk about Much because they never became something major. But that did have a Naga. Because at the time they were at the top of their game. Where are their Naga? If those are creatures from Alphane, they would outlive the out of us.

Cristina: They wouldn't go back to Alphane.

Jack: You think they would go back? Maybe.

Cristina: Maybe because there's such an organization there of like, hey, you go there, you go.

Jack: There could be. Maybe you get reassigned. Interesting. Like military style. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess that could work.

Cristina: That could work. Unless they. Well, some of them might do that. And some of them, because they seem like their own people too. Yeah.

Jack: Like they have independent thought.

Cristina: Yeah. They don't have to go back. If they felt like just hanging out, they would do that.

Jack: Yeah, some of them have. And we have read about that before.

Cristina: Some of them try to be leaders of random people.

Jack: Like, okay, why on Earth, right? Earth is the thing. Earth is a hot spot.

Cristina: I don't know, because I would say. I was gonna say they're not being watched on Earth, but they are because there's also fairies here watching everyone. So.

Jack: But maybe that's why they leave these civilizations. Unless out here it is the Wild west and like it's harder to force somebody once they're out here. Maybe an Elfame. Let's say Elfame is literally made of magic. And let's say one of these gods is the biggest, baddest God, but he's also a being too. Not just I am God, but like not thinking. I'm just all of space and everything. Okay, that's weird. That's just the universe, bro. But like an actual being. But that made everything. Right. And if you're in Elfame, maybe he controls literal the space time fabric you exist in. So he knows where you are at all times and you can't do it. So like you can't disobey over there.

Cristina: Okay, he could.

Jack: He knows everything you're doing. But out here, maybe the Reach isn't there. Maybe there's some reason they can't affect the space.

Cristina: But why talk about their queen?

Jack: They're. We're gonna talk about that today.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yes. Mab.

Cristina: Mab.

Jack: So in looking at the Naga we discovered it was a weapon.

Cristina: A weapon that couldn't kill them.

Jack: Yes. And it was gonna go kill the princess daughter of one of the three Naga king. Which brought up an interesting question. There are Earth weapons capable of killing Naga?

Cristina: There's no way. I mean, it's in Earth. But a Naga helped build the Earth weapon.

Jack: Yeah. No, no, no. I'm in any case, I'm saying they're weapons on Earth, not necessarily Earth. Weapon.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: There are weapons on Earth?

Cristina: I think so, yes.

Jack: Are there more? And what are they? So my intention was, as we've been doing lately, going through a very focused topic, I was gonna look at a bunch of different weapons that maybe have been remained. Like, how. How many are there? Could we get our hands on some of these? Right.

Cristina: Actually found something.

Jack: Well, I immediately stumbled upon the story of King Arthur. And as I was going through the story of King Arthur, which I thought was just a story, I started stumbling upon references towards scripture related to King Arthur. And that was weird because I thought that this was like fiction literature intentionally, but it turns out that it's classified under mythology as opposed to fiction literature. Yeah, they think this happened.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They think the written stories are a paraphrase, but they think it happened. At least a lot of people believe King Arthur was real and the sword was real. And I was like, what?

Cristina: Where? What is the special thing about the sword? I know it's stuck in the stone, but is there a reason that the wizard do that?

Jack: Did the chosen one.

Cristina: The chosen one did that?

Jack: Yeah. The prophecy goes that the chosen one, the true leader, the real king, the true king, is the only person who can please.

Cristina: No, I get that, but who put the stone. Who put the sword in the stone?

Jack: I have no idea where that sword came from. Yeah, because it's fake.

Cristina: It's fake.

Jack: So let me tell you the story. There's a stone.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And there's an anvil on the stone and there's a sword in the anvil one. Had you get the sword into the anvil.

Cristina: Yes, but what's happening there?

Jack: Yeah, exactly. So only the true king can get it. And so this guy Arthur then goes and he just f****** yanks his sword out. And because of the prophecy, he is. So Arthur takes the sword and he takes it into combat and the sword f****** breaks.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, it broke the anvil. But it couldn't be f******. It couldn't break bone or whatever the h*** he was fighting. Anyways, it breaks. So he looks into it and through his research find finds out that this isn't the real one.

Cristina: What? There was a fake.

Jack: There's a fake. He needs to trade the fake one for the real one. And so he needed to take a journey to this place. Somewhere in the forest beyond the marsh, in a fountain created from the natural marsh water and the spring water surrounding it. And it goes into it gets darker and darker as you're Going into the forest, and you go through this marshy area, and then boom, there's just an open sort of grove that is a fountain. And it's lake sized. It just goes on forever. You can see the lining of the tree all the way in the back. But it's just this giant lake. And so it's very shallow, and there's a tiny island in the middle, and it goes to the middle. And once it gets to the island, the lake rumbles and out comes a lady.

Cristina: The fairy lady.

Jack: Fairy lady? Yes, Literally, a fairy lady. And he after. Because he already knew he had to bring this to her, so he. He hands this to her, and she gives him the real. They're both called Excalibur, where one is a fake and one is a real one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So he gets the real Excalibur, and this sword makes him invincible. It makes him immortal. Literally. It creates some sort of shield around.

Cristina: Him from death itself.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He becomes immortal. As long as he has it, he cannot die.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: As long as he has it, he is the greatest in combat. He can predict anyone's moves. He has great strength. He can pierce anything with the sword. It's true invincibility given to him by this fairy.

Cristina: Why do the fairy care? Why do they have.

Jack: That is exactly what the. I wanted to know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Why, bro?

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Okay. Did you put the thing in the rock, too? Fairy.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Why? Okay, great. You got a system. Somebody pulls a. I don't know why you couldn't just put the real one. Let them wander with that.

Cristina: Yeah, but.

Jack: Okay, you put the fake one, and they. They bring you the fake one, and you give them the real one. And now. Okay.

Cristina: Or what is the fake one is the real one. But, like, for the fairy, it's the real one, and they couldn't exactly. Like, it was a train. What is that the real one? Well, for them, the real one.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That has to be the fairy killer, right?

Jack: The one that was in the rock.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He used it on something that wasn't a fairy.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And that wasn't its purpose. So it broke.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then he brought it.

Cristina: And the prayer is like, yes, this is.

Jack: Give me that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I was wondering about this the entire time. Right. And this is gonna get more convoluted as we go.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: So let's. Let's hold that thought.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because that's fire as h***. I didn't think about this. This guy really tried to pull. He got this sword. He pulled the right sword. But then how did the narrative get out there, she must have spit out the narrative so that the. The. You know the lore of you get the sword, take it to the lady.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then the lady's gonna give you the real sword. And she just gave you a f****** sword. And. F*** it, bro. Thank you. Here's a real reward.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: A sword is gonna make you God to them and s***. You need anything else, come back. But you gave me the sword that can kill me.

Cristina: You can't spread that.

Jack: But, like, interesting.

Cristina: If you get everyone to pull that sword thinking it's the one that's gonna. I mean, it is doing amazing things. You're just not gonna tell them what it is. It's just gotta be believable enough. Yeah, I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, no, yeah, they know about the sword. They pull the fake sword, and then when they dig deeper, they find out there's two. And they got the fake one and. No, it's the real one, but the fairies themselves made a different one. And it's like, no, there's a real sword and we're gonna. We'll really, literally. It's a literal reward for anybody who can. Yeah, whoever the f*** can bring us that s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Well, maybe that's absolutely the case. Let's go down and I'll explain why as we get there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I originally thought, like I said, the story was just literature, but when looking into it, it became more and more weird because there are many books of reference. Many books. It's the Bible, before the Bible got put together. It's many people's different accounts of the.

Cristina: Same series of events of author or.

Jack: Elder and all the people surrounding him. It's crazy that different people wrote about the same around the same time. I thought this was just fiction literature.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But people from different areas are like, no.

Cristina: Are their stories different or something?

Jack: They're almost identical. It's like the Bible. It's like somebody else using different words to say the same.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's really, really interesting. Now, the point of King Arthur comes down to the story of the sword Excalibur. Like I said, the lady in the lake provides a sword in exchange. The real Excalibur quote the real Excalibur in exchange for, quote, the fake Excalibur. But only the true king can take out the sword. Where'd that legend come from? Does she spit that legend? The true king can take it, I guess so that everybody comes and tries to f****** pull it.

Cristina: But it makes no sense to have that to be like, why would the swap makes no sense. If that's the real sword, like, how do you convince someone? You.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. It's weird, right? Well, no, I guess it's part of the quest. Oh. The sword comes with a quest.

Cristina: But I guess it's because they can't pull it out. They really can't. Like, if a fairy tried to pull out that sword, it was gonna be impossible.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I'm saying. They needed a human to pull that sword out and bring it to them.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And they're gonna really reward that human.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And I think, understanding this, they somehow put out the story of somebody's gonna. If you pull it out, you're gonna be real king. You'll be the real king. And then everybody tries to pull it out. Get the most people trying to pull it out until somebody does.

Cristina: Yes. And then give them the actual sword. That's gonna help them be the king.

Jack: Yes. Give them a sword that'll make that wish f****** come true.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And you get your death weapon.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And like I said, the wielder of the sword becomes invincible to weirdos. The sword, because he has it, regenerates his health. The sword is unbreakable. Not the one he pulled from the rock, but the one you get from the fairy. That's unbreakable. It could pierce anything and can kill all things. Allegedly.

Cristina: Allegedly.

Jack: Because I don't think that one can kill a fairy.

Cristina: No, probably not. No all human or earth thing.

Jack: So now, like I said, the point of King Arthur is a story is about either him being the chosen one or the sword. Excalibur is the point of the story, but actually the sword has nothing to do with anything other than the fact that he got a f****** sword that actually allows him to accomplish the thing. Had nothing to do with the f****** sword. I thought Excalibur was the point. No, Excalibur is just how, you know, he's the chosen one. The end.

Cristina: But it has its powers.

Jack: Yeah, it helps him do the thing, but it's Excalibur itself. Doesn't matter. King Arthur is the chosen one.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: You know, it's not. The sword is the great. That. No, whatever gives him some ability, but it only enhances his already greatness or whatever the f***.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah. He had to be great in the first place to get the sword.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. So it's just more of his specialness as opposed to the sword being special itself. Other than it's just. Oh, no, he's special. So he has a special sword.

Cristina: Okay. Whatever.

Jack: Now, looking into that. Okay, whatever. The sword is less meaningful. So then, what was the fairy's ultimate goal before we came to the conclusions we just came to? And in doing so, I just looked into the lady of the Lake.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Surprisingly hard to find. Again, fairies, hate fairies. Surprisingly hard to find. Anything on these f******?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The lady of the Lake doesn't have an identity. That's why she's referred to as lady in the Lake. This is the most secretive fairy thus far that we know exists.

Cristina: But we know about other lake or fairies that live in water. They usually kill people, though.

Jack: Yeah, we know many of them.

Cristina: Yes. They usually.

Jack: Murder. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's f*****. But this one works a lot like a crossroads demon. She just kind of hangs out there. She's well known for making deals with people.

Cristina: So she's made more than one deal with.

Jack: She's made more than one deal.

Cristina: Oh, Camino. What's she doing making deals with people?

Jack: I don't. She never made another deal with Arthur, if that's what you're asking.

Cristina: No. What's her other deals?

Jack: Just, you know, giving people fortune and stuff.

Cristina: For what?

Jack: Vague. I'm telling you, it's really hard to find anything.

Cristina: Are they giving her special items? They say like they traded this special spoon for whatever.

Jack: Oh, interesting. Your question is, is she collecting all the things?

Cristina: Yeah. Like these are. She's probably hunting for specific fairy items that she can't grab herself.

Jack: Is she bound to the f****** lake?

Cristina: And is she bound to the lake? Yeah.

Jack: Why is she bound to the lake? This actually brings up an interesting question, because fairies. There are the fairies in lakes that we are familiar with and we never question, can they leave the f****** link? Because they always bring people to them. Why don't they go out and look for people? And they can look very human.

Cristina: Yeah, I think they can go out of the lake, but you gotta stay around the lake. Yeah, they're like Alec. They're not Alec. Yeah, yeah. Like, it's their environment that they live in, which is weird that they'd have limits.

Jack: Well, the difference here is when we're talking about incubus and succubus and mermaids. Actually, mermaid's probably a fairy. But incubus and succubus, we're definitely talking about shadow creatures.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That are bound to that environment.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why is a fairy bound to that environment?

Cristina: I don't know. Maybe fairies are bound to specific environment.

Jack: It could 100% be because we know.

Cristina: They'Re watching specific people and stuff like that. That they have these jobs of just watching, but maybe that's really like you're stuck there. We don't really know about the fairies that are watching, but maybe they can't leave what they're watching.

Jack: Yeah. And not only that. Oh, s***, I get what you mean. Like elves, maybe they have to be there at all times. They can't even like take a break and go. Yeah, that 100% could be the case. On top of the fact that maybe there are so many different kinds of fairies that they like, really, they are just bound to certain environments. Like, even if this is a fairy, it's a fairy that again. How similar is Earth and Alphane?

Cristina: No idea.

Jack: And is there water in Elfame that works the same as water on Earth? And this is the little. The only place that has that exact thing allowed. Like, this fairy would normally not be able to come down to Earth unless.

Cristina: There'S a bunch of water.

Jack: Unless there's this exact condition.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Of water.

Cristina: When we think about fairy homes, though, it's very. It's nature. You just live in nature. So you don't hear about city fairies. Except for those, I guess, that are stealing shoes or fixing shoes, whatever, you know. But those are warrant in cities either. Those are.

Jack: Those are in rural a** towns.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. So they like nature. Nature, yeah.

Jack: Very related. Actually, humans are the only ones not humans. Earthlings, I suppose, are really the only ones who tend to go against nature quite heavily. Because shadow also goes with its nature in many aspects, and so does Elfame. Everything is based on nature. They prefer being in nature.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We're the only ones who defy nature.

Cristina: Which I guess keeps us safe from these other things if they mean us harm. But I don't know. That's an interesting idea.

Jack: It seems like the more civilization that happens, the further away from that we get. But the closer to these rural areas we get, the more that these things are prominent and people get confused. They call it hauntings, they call it this, they call it that. Oh, I saw a ghost. So I saw a demon. No, you're closer to nature. And nature is where this other s*** is.

Cristina: Yes. And it could be scary and they can eat you, but like, that's like nature, nature. There's some deadly things, there's some not so deadly things.

Jack: A hundred percent. A hundred percent. This reminds me that witches are considered a terrible thing, but they often connect to nature.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. And some of them like to live in the middle of nowhere.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So like that or like those are the stories.

Jack: I would argue that makes Absolute sense. Because you train and learn how to understand these environments and things that wander these environments, you're actually more familiar with things of shadow and things of Elfame. By being in nature where you interact with it enough to get adjusted and used to it, it makes sense. You want to know a witch, even if you don't want to hang out with a witch. Because you can always go for resource and information.

Cristina: Yeah, there's something there.

Jack: Yes. So we spun way out. There's a weapon. Excalibur.

Cristina: Yes. And a fairy.

Jack: A fairy. This fairy is stuck in this fountain.

Cristina: And she's known to trade things.

Jack: She's known to trade things. But the only time that it was significant, what she traded was with the secret story of what to do with the Excalibur.

Cristina: Yes. Trading a sword for a sword, which.

Jack: Was trading the fake. The quote fake unquote for the quote real unquote. Which sounds like bullshit, but maybe it's just two different swords called Excalibur, and they both mean something different. And the one that she received is the true. Excalibur was the true. Well, no, it was the fairy killer. Excalibur. Enter Morgan Le Fay.

Cristina: Is that a fairy? I don't know.

Jack: It's actually confusing.

Cristina: What?

Jack: So Morgan le Fay is referred to in different texts as a fairy in one and the sorceress in the other. She could have been an earthling who mastered working with magic, or she could have been, I guess, three options. She could have been a shadow f****** person for all we know. And she could have been a fairy living with humans. When Arthur was on his quest to trade the sword, he almost died. And when he almost died, look and f****** behold. Morgan le Fay shows up and saves Arthur, nursing him back to health with her magic and assisting him to get that sword where it's going. Why?

Cristina: I don't know. But if she's a fairy, wouldn't she want the sword?

Jack: He has it. She should just leave with it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So why help him deliver the sword?

Cristina: Unless they're, again, not a fairy.

Jack: Fairy rank. Oh, fair enough.

Cristina: He's like, if you're a fairy, you'd.

Jack: Be like, then why is she delivering the sword?

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Why is she helping him either way?

Cristina: I don't know what about.

Jack: Or has she just heard, oh, he pulled the sword. This is the guy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, let me help him. He's the guy.

Cristina: Let him take. Let me take him to my friend. Yeah, that sword.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. Oh, s***. Yeah. My fairy friend needs the sword. He's chosen one and he's I already know the narrative too. He's gonna go get. So they could both be being duped here by the fairy. So you think Sorceress? Because she would have just taken the sword.

Cristina: Yeah, but if she knows, what's the plan, maybe she's in on it too.

Jack: Or she's not in on it, but she's assisting with the plan. Knowing the plan. Like, the idea is he should be delivering. Like, maybe she's one of the people who knew the story.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I was like, oh, no. He's supposed to deliver the sword to the fairy over there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And I'm good with fairies, cuz. Magic.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So I can assist him in getting over there. He needs to. It's his destiny. He's King Arthur. He pulled it out. He's supposed to deliver or whatever, you know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So there's something about Arthur that's special. What the f*** is it? Why was he capable of taking the sword?

Cristina: Why does he know so much magical things?

Jack: Why are so many magical things.

Cristina: One of them, some guy. I forgot his name. There's a wizard dude that he hangs out with.

Jack: Yeah, well, I don't think he hangs out with.

Cristina: Whatever. But he's part of the story. Marlon.

Jack: Marlon.

Cristina: Yeah, something like that. I don't know.

Jack: So I look into Arthur and there's surprisingly little on Arthur as well.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah. There's more about what he's done than who he is.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So most of his personality is pretty flat. There's nothing to know about him. His lineage doesn't matter as much who's around him. Yeah, he's just some dude, but. Or he seems to just be some dude. As far as we know. As far as a lot of the people reading or writing the stories. No. So obvious things about him are that fairies are fascinated with him.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Arthur's main purpose before he gets told the greater things is to find the Holy Grail. He's already on the search for immortality. Also, the Holy Grail must be containing some of the fruits or some.

Cristina: Who took him on that? What?

Jack: The Holy Grail.

Cristina: Does he find it?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Wasn't even the point.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because I wasn't looking. I was looking for the weapon. That's what matters.

Cristina: How do you know this isn't a weapon?

Jack: The Holy Grail?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The Holy Grail is also what Jesus drank from.

Cristina: Oh. What did that do to him?

Jack: To Jesus?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I'm sure it was just a consistent flow of blood he was drinking.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They were always drinking blood and wine And I think that he thinks the Holy Grail is really the object, when really it was what was in the Holy Grail? Oh, which was his blood. I'm sure if he found that it.

Cristina: Was like, okay, it's here.

Jack: But it's just that.

Cristina: So he's a treasure hunter.

Jack: He's a treasure hunter.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or we can call him an archaeologist.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know.

Cristina: Supernatural items.

Jack: For supernatural items. Interesting, right? Weird guy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So he was already kind of in that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Area. He's the jock of the supernatural world. But once he pulled the sword out, he learned in studying about. Whoa, I got it out. I'm looking now. And all this important stuff. There was a prophecy claiming he. He specifically would show up. This dude was already named Arthur. And Arthur would pull this sword out. And Arthur did show up one day and Arthur did pull the sword out.

Cristina: It named Author.

Jack: Yeah, the prophecy author.

Cristina: I should pull this sword out.

Jack: He had no idea beforehand.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: He found that afterwards, everybody knew about pulling the sword. Nobody gave a. About looking into it until the sword was pulled.

Cristina: And then they all saw.

Jack: Oh no, it really was him. It was always him.

Cristina: Weird. Okay.

Jack: That's kind of all the important. Everything else is just like events and action. I was like, okay, to get to the book, to get to the bullet points. Everything else is the fluff. It's like, wow, you suck. There's nothing else here. You just. Fairies love you. You are trying to get the Holy Grail and you were prophesized to. So then what the f***? Who. Who the h*** are you, bro? Why do you matter? Yeah, you're just some random treasure hunter guy. Could have been some other random treasure. Why you.

Cristina: By him.

Jack: Okay, who prophesied?

Cristina: Who?

Jack: Who prophesies? Who wrote the prophecy? Who said you.

Cristina: You found it.

Jack: Ah, that's where we enter with Merlin.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But Merlin is known as a quite powerful sorcerer, known for his flawless record with prophecies.

Cristina: Okay, that makes sense, I guess.

Jack: Merlin is considered a bit of a menace. Why does whatever the f*** he wants is quite overpowered.

Cristina: So is he a prophet? Is he writing the future? Like, is he. Is he a menace? Because he's like, okay, I want this to happen and then it happens. And that's what makes him a menace.

Jack: At first I didn't have that thought, but ultimately, yes, at first my thought was he's. He knows the future, so he can affect the future.

Cristina: Oh, that's. Yeah, I guess that was obvious.

Jack: Yeah, that was my immediate conclusion. Like, okay, he's memorized. Not memorized but because he can see.

Cristina: The future, he can work anything to his favor.

Jack: He could work anything to his favor. This makes him a problem. For even fairness, you can move outside of their understanding of time. Yeah, that s***'s fire, right? Because even if they are way more powerful, you're untouchable. You know what's coming at all times, always, forever.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Oh, That's a f****** problem even the fairies can't solve.

Cristina: Yeah. Whoa. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. But let's talk about the fact that. No. He's so colossally overpowered that he can rewrite the events without having to interact with them. He can change what's gonna happen in the future.

Cristina: How do you know that?

Jack: Because he planned Arthur's entire everything.

Cristina: Oh. So what I said made sense. Okay. That's why. Okay.

Jack: Arthur is Merlin's attempt at his own version of Jesus.

Cristina: That is so weird.

Jack: It's just a guy with the destiny of learning he was the chosen one, then discovering his true power upon acquiring that weapon and then being the real one, true king. It's as to Arthur is a story of Jesus, and Merlin wanted his own Jesus.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: That is the real question. Right. Random other fact that I guess kind of makes things even a little more complicated. This guy can arrange the future however he wants and knows a future. So even if he couldn't arrange a future, he could interact with the future and change it regardless. He could also shapeshift, so he's kind of hard to track.

Cristina: He can shapeshift.

Jack: He can shape shift and See you coming.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: You see how quickly this guy. This dude. He's a human.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's just some guy.

Cristina: I don't know if he has some adrenal crown or anything. Like, he's just some guy.

Jack: Okay, well. Well, after literally saying out loud, what the. He's just some guy. I said that while looking this up. Just like, dude, he really is just. What the. I'm like, what the f*** is up with this human dude? Why is he so overpowered? And then I started looking for the fact that he and the word Elysium are so mentioned together.

Cristina: Stop lying.

Jack: Because we would look for C person. We would never find him under C person. But Elysium is used quite often. And we can use Elysium after finding out that the sea people are the Elysians and cross reference that with a lot of s***.

Cristina: And he's one.

Jack: He is known as a person to come from the far west in Elysium.

Cristina: Of course.

Jack: Of course. Merlin is an overpowered Elysian who's just one of the ones, yes. He's a recent print day, that's what, 1700.

Cristina: This is the most recent version of releasing him just hanging out. Wow, that's what, the 1500s or something?

Jack: Some like that. Right? That's not too far?

Cristina: Ridiculously far.

Jack: And it's not. I mean it's not now, no, but we know Van actively doing.

Cristina: I don't understand. Why did he not want that sword himself? So if it is a fairy killer, why did he help him take that fairy killing sword? To get the other sword.

Jack: I think Arthur's not human.

Jack: I think Arthur is literally a run at the experiment that was Jesus. And that sword only really works because.

Cristina: He'S some type of golem.

Jack: Arthur? Some kind of. Yeah, Arthur's some kind of golem. He's either some kind of God, whatever. Jesus and Joseph are.

Cristina: Yeah. These humans really.

Jack: And he could do things that Merlin can't. Yeah, but part of the thing that went wrong with Jesus was what? Well, you. Well first off, right off the bat it became dangerous and problematic.

Cristina: Yes. People expecting everyone.

Jack: Yeah, it was affecting everybody. So you worked out those kinks. But now this guy's gonna be stronger than you. So how do you control that situation? The prophecies and the narrative. Okay, so he wrote the prophecy about the thing the fairies manipulated. It's a very God devil situation. Right. The. The Elysian writes the story. He creates a prophecy that makes it to the public's ears and then eventually makes it to the one guy who isn't human, but is indistinguishable from human. The Nephilim. I guess not. He would have to be born of a woman that's human. Or maybe he is. Maybe. Maybe he is a Nephilim.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh s***. Is the point a Nephilim? Would that have just been made the most sense instead of all this other s*** that's going on? Because a lot of them are just running experiments. Why wouldn't just banging a chick work? Yeah, unless it doesn't.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: I don't know why. Why is it banned and then they're still trying to accomplish the same thing a different way. You're trying to make a human? No, because the point isn't to make it human. He wouldn't be a Nephilim. He has to be a fairy. That's what really what it is. He has to be half fairy or something. Anyways, so the story goes out about the guy who could do the thing. He goes and tries to pull the thing. That sword is in fact the real one. That can kill fairies. But the story isn't altered to say or not even altered the story. The meaning of words gets shifted enough.

Cristina: Thanks to the fairies to convince him to go to the fairies.

Jack: No, to convince him to erase the word fairy from the narrative. And so he uses that sword on normal combat. Maybe the story itself said this sword only works on fairies or something, but it got modified enough that it worked that part out, and then you use it on something else and then it broke. But then the second story they feed is the one you were talking about. Bring us the broken sword and we have the real sword you can use for combat. They can give you a sword. It can kill anything in the mortal world. In the mortal earth realm. They're super op next to it. This is the lie of the lady of the Lake versus the truth of.

Cristina: Merlin, who wanted to make a fairy killer.

Jack: Who wanted to make a fairy killer and have his Jesus there. We have a literal example in scripture of a guy making a weapon to kill fairies. We've been looking for the answer to this question forever. What is the point? Well, now we know to kill the fairies. Now the follow up question is, I, like, now I know why the fairies are scared. Especially with the Elysians existing. See, now my point is, why do the Elysians and also apparently a bunch of shadow people want to kill the fairies?

Cristina: They're all about experiments.

Jack: So I'm thinking that just to run more. It's science.

Cristina: Yeah, it's more about the science aspect. Like, what can we learn from their bodies to help our fairy?

Jack: Just not even kill all of them. They just want to invade Elfame and study it.

Cristina: Yeah, like if they could just kill one fairy, they'd probably learn a lot from that.

Jack: Interesting. There's also many kinds of fairies. There must be reasons for that. So they want to study those things.

Cristina: Yeah, maybe until one of them gives us an answer. That's my guess.

Jack: So Merlin's interesting.

Cristina: Yes. Yes, he is.

Jack: That's weird, man. He arranged the creation, birth and purpose of Arthur using his magic. But that's so overpowered. I don't even think it's about killing the fairies. Here's my theory. Here's my theory. It's not about killing the fairies. Merlin is just really strong and it's really dangerous that he's that powerful. And so the fairies probably tried to get rid of that threat. Not because he's trying to kill them, but he created a problem in which he's like, fairies are trying to kill me. I gotta defend myself. Okay, you See, I don't think. I think it's just scary. Yeah. They're stronger. They're getting stronger than us. What do we do?

Cristina: Saying, they're getting stronger than us.

Jack: We are. Oh, s***. I just had the thought. I just had the thought. What we are to Elfame, what AI is to us, one day it's gonna pass us. And we're always a little scared of that moment. We're like, we're gonna make rules and make sure to program it, not just deciding the turn on us. And so the fairy is. Everybody in Elfame is ultimately like, yeah, one day they're, you know, we're gonna do everything we can and make rules so that they don't overpower us.

Cristina: Mm. It's a little different. Only in that we. It's us and then it's AI. But for them, it's. It's them and then it's the shadow people, and then it's us. Like, there's.

Jack: Yeah, but we're almost working with Shadow to get that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: To surpass Elfame.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So they consider it a bundle.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know. Yeah, they consider it a bundle. And there are elves in shadow around those civilizations. Same thing, doing the same thing. So both are an issue to Alphane. And I think that's the real problem. It's just governance. It's governance you're trying to govern and make sure that. Look, no, I promise you people of Elfame, we have rules and regulations and everything is safe. And our inventions won't surpass us. It's fine. It's under control. Meanwhile, in the background, we're doing it. Yeah, but we're also here. Like, we made AI. That s***'s totally gonna pass us. And then it's gonna go alfame in the way we could never. Machines are gonna pass us, figure out what we've been trying to accomplish, and go Alphane.

Cristina: Maybe, I don't know.

Jack: Easily. So then, Merlin, how did you get so strong, Merlin?

Cristina: Besides that. He's a water person.

Jack: He's a water person, a sea person, an Elysian. Well, tell me, Merlin. And Merlin answers. Well, I might be an Elysian, but I'm only half an Elysian.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: My mom was a chim.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: What.

Cristina: What. What is the story behind that?

Jack: Don't know. His mom was a f****** incubus.

Cristina: What? What? What? How'd you get that story?

Jack: That's just also part of the scripture. Merlin is born of a mortal, which would be the Elysian, and then an incubus, which is a shadow creature.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: How the h*** did that happen? But incubus as shadow creatures are somehow different than other shadow creatures, and we never thought about this. Although not all. Most shadow creatures are ethereal, wet judges and djinns. They seem ghostly. Incubus can f*** a guy.

Cristina: Well, he. It was made with an apple. That was. What's her name's attempt of making humans. That was.

Jack: Yeah. You're talking about Lilith.

Cristina: Lilith's attempt. Yeah. So it's its own thing, sort of too.

Jack: It's a shadow invention.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Using human stuff.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Not even human. Using Earth stuff.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's a shadow. Yeah, it's a. It's. I guess it's the merge. So an incubus is a creature that's neither shadow nor earthling. It's both shadow and earthling.

Cristina: Because it came out of Adam.

Jack: Yeah. Made from Adam and apples from shadow. And I guess the apples ultimately assist in merging as well. Because the apples are technically all from shadow.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: Interesting. You see, as we. The more we go through it, the fresher it gets.

Cristina: Connections being made.

Jack: Yes. So the main idea. And this is why in the group of the shadow gods, it was so important that they looked for a guy who was an expert at combining shadow tech and earthling tech. Duh. Because that's the ultimate goal that makes you better canal fame.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's why. Because everything is about merging the two.

Cristina: Everything.

Jack: Everything is about merging the two. Because that's how you beat the one. That's how you beat the one.

Cristina: Love it. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: So what did we learn? We learned Arthur doesn't really matter other than that. Well, now he does. Arthur matters because he's potentially a Jesus thing.

Cristina: Jesus type thing.

Jack: Second experiment. Incubus are half human, half shadow hybrids. And they can mate with mortals from Earth.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: This one Merlin being. Also, my theory about Merlin doesn't just end at him being an Elysian, which that's in the writing, and his mother being incubus, which is half the Elysian and half shadow creature, but. Or I guess he's one fourth shadow creature because it's Adam plus the incubus. That's already. No, Adam makes the incubus, which is half earth, half shadow. So the incubus is inherently half and half.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So an incubus then mates with a Elysian. An Elysian is purely earthling and an incubus is already half earthling. So you get 1/4 shadow and 3/4 earthling.

Cristina: Earthling. Yeah.

Jack: Interesting. He has a nice balanced makeup. But anyways, Merlin sounds and I think this might be the case with all of them. He sounds a lot like one of the Magi.

Cristina: What? Manji.

Jack: Manji were the people who were assisting, or that type of person who was assisting Mary on her journey. The three Wise men and Joseph. All who were watching over her, Mary, when she was on the way to Cyprus.

Cristina: No. You think Manjis are some type of human shadow realm thing?

Jack: Not necessarily human shadow realm thing, but some special Elysians. Okay, we know they're special Alicians. Like, we're absolutely sure of it. We know they are special. But I thought they were special in rank and ability. Maybe they're just different as, like, some of them might be. It's. It's. I'm thinking the Maji are the sort of secret services. You know, like, people follow President around or.

Cristina: Okay, they're like experiments as well.

Jack: They might be, or not necessarily experiments, but like, how the h*** did you guys come across an incubus and me? So, you know, like, oh, this is a special case, but why is it okay to meet with some? I guess it's because it's already part human. Not human, part Earthling.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: You know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's like, well, we'll make it more us than some of the other s***. But then this again. This is human. Some Shadowed, some Djinn. This is a human Djinn. Elysian hybrid.

Cristina: Yeah, but because of the. I think Adam. It makes it easy to. No, but haven't we heard Jinns not use with Adam?

Jack: So he is kind of a Nephilim, when you think about it. Because an incubus is half human, half shadow, and then an incubus mating with the C person. The half that's human with half of being an Elysian would equal a Nephilim.

Cristina: I know. Is there a difference? We. You didn't talk about Nephilims at all and what they're like. Have you.

Jack: No, but he's 25%. He's 50% Nephilim, 14 Elysian and 1 4th shadow.

Cristina: Why is he 50% Nephilim or.

Jack: No, my bad. He is 1 4th Nephilim, 1 4th shadow and 1 half.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Elysian. That's the breakdown.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He's overpowered for a reason. He's so overpowered. Merlin is so overpowered, he can control time. That's problematic. He's too advanced. I think he's defending himself by creating a weapon that can kill a fairy. But he got acquired by the fairy. And also, something happens in the middle of these interactions where Arthur gets taken to the fairy. The fairy gives him the real sword. Somewhere in the middle of this, the fairy successfully manages to enchant Merlin, forcing Arthur to kill Merlin.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, this. That's how this wraps up.

Cristina: It ends with him killing Merlin.

Jack: Arthur kills Merlin after Merlin is enchanted by the lady of the Lake. The sword that Merlin gave Arthur probably couldn't kill Merlin, which is why he broke when he tried to fight earth things.

Cristina: Yes, it was to kill the fairy.

Jack: It was to kill the fairy. But the fairy gave him a sword that can kill Merlin.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because it can kill anything earthly.

Cristina: Yes. Oh my gosh.

Jack: So the same way Mer. He dies. Yeah, the same way Merlin was trying to off the fairy. The fairy made a weapon that can off Merlin.

Cristina: But that's crazy. That's even more magical. That she can fight something that could pretty much control the future. Like his powers is pretty epic. But she was still able to go around that like it did not affect her.

Jack: I don't think it was about affecting her. Why couldn't he just control Arthur to do the things he needed to do? He needed to give Arthur a story to follow.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's because you can't control Arthur. Arthur is the one who defied it. Who'd she used to kill Merlin? Why didn't she wield the sword on Merlin? Because Merlin would see it coming. He can't see Arthur.

Cristina: Yeah, because Arthur is following a story.

Jack: Arthur's following a story. Story got manipulated by both sides.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. These authors. Something else we're not really. I think he's more human than either of those two things.

Jack: I don't think he's human at all.

Cristina: Or he's.

Jack: I think he's an Elysian mixed with some elf or something. With a Naga maybe. I don't know. Yeah, no, he doesn't shapeshift.

Cristina: That's really shapeshift. He doesn't have any actual magic powers except for the pulling of the sword.

Jack: So then is how he's a watered down version of something. Because this is still the only guy who could get it done.

Cristina: He was made though, to do that thing. That's why he makes me. He reminds me of the Golem. Because he was made to teleport.

Jack: He was made to be able to enter Elfhame.

Cristina: Yeah. So like Oster was made for a purpose, which was the pulling of the sword. And then you try to trick him to do all these other things. But of course that didn't succeed. But I think it was specifically made for that thorn.

Jack: No. I think, yes. Well, no, I don't think the sword mattered. I think the real argument here is that Arthur, because he could have made anybody pull the sword, he decides who gets to pull the sword.

Cristina: I don't think anyone could have pulled the sword.

Jack: No. I think the sword was made by Merlin to kill fairies. It's just.

Cristina: Oh, you think he made the sword?

Jack: Yeah, it's just it's not safe for him to go to the fairy. I mean, look at what happened when he did go to the fairy. So he just stays away from the fairy.

Cristina: Because he's such an interesting thing. Like, I feel like he should have had the ability. Like he's not just a human already, he's who?

Jack: Merlin.

Cristina: Yeah. He's Elysian shadow creatures, etc. Like, come on.

Jack: And still he did not want to go to the fairy. Think about how overpowered the s*** of Alfame is that Merlin was still like, I'll use that guy to do it. And think about how overpowered Elfame is that. As overpowered as this guy is, all he did was get in that vicinity.

Cristina: And still somehow special that the fairies used him too, because they didn't need to use him either.

Jack: Who? Merlin?

Cristina: Author.

Jack: No author is special. I'm saying that Merlin can't go to the fairy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And yes. The specialness that this overpowered sorcerer made Arthur with.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Is what that fairy used as well.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because there's something about making these things that are. That's unpredictable. And Merlin can't see the future of Arthur. So he couldn't see Arthur killing him.

Cristina: No. Interesting.

Jack: There's something so unique about Arthur.

Cristina: Yes. But. And also like Jesus of like everyone seeing him. He also affecting people in a few future sight type of way. Like, is he. No, not really. But yes at the same time.

Jack: How do you mean?

Cristina: Like just his existence changed.

Jack: Oh yeah. But that's more about who he was. Like people were having literal visions about.

Cristina: Jesus, but because of what he was, I think is part of that. And whatever he is, is something that this author is. It's not the same.

Jack: I know it's not the same. Yeah, yeah. They're similar. They're very close.

Cristina: Similar. They are. They're both experiments. And I. Oh, and I'm thinking of the golem too, because that's the only experiment that we've seen that there's something. These three things now.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Are very similar.

Jack: Yes. Yes. They have a lot of the same features going on which they seem to have been created with a very specific, very linear. Yes. Purpose in mind. And that's their thing. And it also Seems an each one of these. Except the golem. The golem. No.

Cristina: He stuck to what he was made for.

Jack: Yes. Control was the main feature this guy was obsessed with. Which is why he had a way of deactivating it.

Cristina: Yeah. Which they was. No deactivation for these other two.

Jack: No. Because they were unlike the golem. They were. They were made from this sort of uncontrollable feature of mortals. Something about these. It's the fruits, bro. Because the fruits are still warned about everywhere. Something about knowledge and free will is dangerous when you're trying to control some s***. You can't control some with free will.

Cristina: Yeah. Which is almost only used with mad. No. Blood.

Jack: Yeah, Blood and magic. It's a hundred percent mindless.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Except no, it was. It did. It just could be deactivated.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which I guess makes it really dark.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because it's like this is a thinking, sentient, loving being and you just turn it off whenever you want and it's just in darkness. It's like. That's a messed up dark rabbi. But if the problem is control, he solved the problem. It only got problematic afterwards because he wasn't around. He was just a guy. And then he dies eventually. And then who's going to handle the golem? But the Manji can't reclaim that. I think.

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: Who knows?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So yes, Arthur and Jesus and Joseph have a lot of similar features. Merlin used and made Arthur and used him to try to kill the fairy. The fairy, knowing this made a weapon equally.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And used Merlin's own creation, who could defy the wizard's overpowered ability to see the future. And he couldn't see Arthur's future. And Arthur successfully killed Merlin because Merlin in seeing that. Oh s***. The plan is falling apart. I need to tell Arthur. No, this is a trap. He gets in front of the lady in the lake and she immediately uses her over powered magic on him. And boom. He stayed away for a reason. And the moment he got around, boom.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then forced. Because at that moment, that's when Arthur notices. Oh s***. This was. He was. He was telling the truth. Merlin's warning, which was the fairies. You. It's a fake a** plan.

Cristina: Oh, he realizes after he kills him.

Jack: No, I mean, yeah, after he kills Merlin and he sees like the whole situation, he's like. Oh, well actually that's why he kills Merlin. Because he. Merlin becomes enchanted by the fairy.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So the Merlin becomes enchanted by the fairy and he sees that and he's like, oh no, he was right now I gotta kill him. And her.

Cristina: Does he kill her?

Jack: I don't know if he kills her. No, actually he doesn't. So it's. It's kind of one of those endings. Because in one book it puts him at killing the fairy, but in the other it said that the fairy was defeated in battle and fled.

Jack: Now what does a fairy running away look like? Disappearing.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah, I would guess. Yeah.

Jack: So like, it's possible that fairy's gone. But what if you killed the fairy with. If the fairy had the weapon that could kill her.

Cristina: Yeah. So she probably just.

Jack: Probably dipped. There was no reason to still be there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Her last hoorah was you, Merlin.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So this is a real combat moment between a casual fairy that's still unnamed. We just call her the lady of the Lake.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And Merlin, who was. There's some beef between these two.

Cristina: Maybe they're they. That. That was their territory. They both had. Were fighting for one territory.

Jack: 100 could be the case. Or the purpose of that fairy was to handle Merlin. Okay.

Cristina: Did it and then she disappeared.

Jack: 100%.

Cristina: Okay. That's also something. Yeah.

Jack: Because it's starting to look like now although Merlin made that weapon to defend himself. Alfie made s*** to defend themselves just as much. And we're just catching up.

Cristina: We never. Yeah. We never hear these stories that about fairies actually doing their job of like slowing us down and everything. So this is a good example. Yeah. So they actually are doing it. We don't have many of those stories, but it's rare that they actually feel threatened. And this is just one of those cases.

Jack: Yes. As we dig deeper, we find that more and more we're slowly inching towards Elfame. Plot twist though.

Cristina: What? What? What?

Jack: Arthur didn't die there. So that problem was still there.

Cristina: What was the problem?

Jack: Arthur?

Cristina: Why do you think she cares?

Jack: Because he's whatever Jesus is and whatever the golem is. And that's a problem.

Cristina: But if the end of the story doesn't involve him, like is he killed by someone? Like, how is that a problem then?

Jack: So this takes us to later stories of Arthur's life. Arthur might. As the latest version of this that we're aware of might have actually been a really good control. Although he could not actually control Arthur. He added a thing here that made Arthur a little easier to handle. Big picture.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Arthur can't be killed as long as he's holding the sword.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Arthur will still age.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Arthur's gonna die of old age.

Jack: And then he can't Go forward.

Cristina: So that's not a problem. Yeah.

Jack: That's the control factor. Long term.

Cristina: Yeah. So the fairy doesn't really have to worry about Arthur because he's gonna die.

Jack: But now, ignoring the fact, problem solved. Okay. Arthur is the best version we have so far because now he's a human lifespan, disposable version.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Of Jesus. Because you can't dispose of Jesus. He just comes right back.

Cristina: Yeah. I want to know how old is the author's story, though. I need to know how close he is to Jesus or to us. I think it's 1500s, but maybe not. Maybe that's when the story was popular, but it was before that.

Jack: Oh, interesting. So 11th century. 12th to 11th century. I thought it was 15th. That was still pretty long ago. But it was way after Jesus. This is actually happening before the golem then.

Cristina: Before the golem. The golem was in what year?

Jack: The golem was in the 16 to 17.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So in time, though, it's. They're closer together.

Jack: Yeah, in time, they're closer together. But then Arthur was the meaty, fleshy version. Okay. So then the progression makes a lot of sense. If we think of. So was this rabbi a sea person? No, he was just a human. We know that for a fact because he died quickly, too.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Sea people just kind of go.

Cristina: There was something that told them the secrets of making this thing.

Jack: It was actually when they were doing some rituals.

Cristina: Yes. So it was some shadow realm creature.

Jack: Yeah. Explain the process.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why did the shadow. Because of the f****** Elysians that are in that the people they were talking to that told them how to make the f****** golem were from the shadow gods. That's who they were talking to.

Cristina: Shadow God.

Jack: The shadow gods. So, d***, now we have a mention of the shadow gods. We know of a time they were active. We know when they were most recently active, as far as our information goes, which is the 1600s. And we know of a Elysian in Earthrealm in the 1200s and 1100s, which is Merlin.

Cristina: That's crazy. That's crazy.

Jack: So now we know. The questions I had laid out to answer were, why are the fairies so interested in Arthur? It's because something is special about Arthur. He is one of these inventions. But I guess the reason that the golem is the way he is is because of this situation that happened. Because that information moved forward.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: About the fairies taking control.

Cristina: Yeah. You gotta make something that can't be controlled when you're not using it.

Jack: So although Arthur is better than Jesus, he's immortal. Which solved a lot. Just in case he did get controlled. But too late. The damage is done. So you need something that you can deactivate.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And can't be controlled. And is gonna listen to what you're saying, even if it has a sentient mind. Hence the golem. Jesus was too out of control.

Cristina: Arthur is still somehow out of control.

Jack: He was too easy to control.

Cristina: Okay, yes. Yes. That's the problem.

Jack: It was the other extreme.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Everybody controlled Arthur.

Cristina: Yes. And the skull was just one specific guy.

Jack: One specific guy in one specific way.

Cristina: Once he died, there was no control over him. That was it.

Jack: And the sword wasn't so special. It was just a sword that can. Well, I guess it is, because it can still kill fairies. The real Excalibur is the one that isn't special, although it's just a great overpowered fairy weapon. But it can't be used on fairies.

Cristina: No, but it can be used on anything else.

Jack: So there's two Excaliburs, except one of them is an alfame. And we'll never get that one. The fairy killer. But there is a weapon out here that can kill kind of anything, including shadow creatures.

Cristina: Do we know who has that sword now?

Jack: We don't know.

Cristina: It's not a church.

Jack: It might be. If anybody has it, it's the freaking church. Interesting enough. Could Arthur have killed Jesus? Would that have been one of the uses of Arthur if he could have been lasted long term? Because that sword could kill Jesus. It could kill anything. So there's a sword that could kill Jesus maybe.

Cristina: Bare minimum, before he died. Maybe. But now, as this some Jesus.

Jack: Well, he's still shadow Jesus. And the sword, in theory, could deal with that. It's an Elfame sword.

Cristina: That's true. Almost not.

Jack: There's a sword that could probably kill Jesus.

Cristina: Oh, like kill, kill that sword?

Jack: Yeah, like kill, kill?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like officially off Jesus permanently.

Cristina: And.

Jack: In. With that in mind, is Jesus a concern for the fairies? Like, are the fairies worried about Jesus after the fact? Like, do they care about Jesus? I was thinking about this because I know he's an issue for the people of Shadow and the people of Earth.

Cristina: Do the fairies? Can't.

Jack: But do the fairy. Like, he maybe. He could potentially be a threat. But does he care?

Cristina: Does he care?

Jack: Does he care? Is it revenge purely. Or is it just like. Nah, dude, I don't give a. I.

Cristina: Feel like they'd care even if he wasn't interested because he's so strong. Still be a threat. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. Okay. Okay. So then the point of making that sword wasn't just so he can kill Merlin. Merlin's probably more of a problem than Jesus is.

Cristina: Yeah, they probably made that sword for Jesus.

Jack: But then Jesus himself is a weird hybrid thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And Merlin, now, I don't know. Merlin is a Manji for a fact, but Merlin could kind of be what Jesus is too. I don't know. Merlin's op as f***.

Cristina: And he's a lot of from the fruit, so. No, no, not Merlin. That was author.

Jack: Arthur.

Cristina: Author is. Okay, never mind.

Jack: The question is, is Merlin a thing like Jesus? That did work and he was making Arthur. But there's nothing about Merlin that tells us he's special other than he's weird.

Cristina: And that his mom is a. Oh, yeah.

Jack: There's no magic other than he learned how to use magic. But it's the same way. Like maybe it's just really advanced tech for all we even. He has fabric of space time manipulating tech.

Cristina: I don't think he's the same thing as Jesus.

Jack: No. Because he still needed the control. He couldn't interact. He got controlled. He couldn't. He couldn't be. He couldn't be. He got controlled. Yeah. That's what we got. This is where what I discovered. Apparently there's a lot there that's awesome and random. Random.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I did not expect this direction at all. Anyways, if you guys know any additional details that can help us understand how this fits into the greater narrative, feel free to give us those details. You can find us on all the socials to do that, which are at just convopod on TikTok, on X, on Instagram, on Facebook.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and react. Review the show.

Jack: Yes. And word of mouth matters quite a bit. Tell people, Let people know that this show exists. It's a thing they can listen to and they can enjoy.

Cristina: This has been the rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye now. A bunch of kids disappeared in Canada and a bunch of kids disappeared in Hawaii. Okay. Absolutely fine. I guarantee you in the next month or two. Oh, you know, we, we. We were sloppy. We were sorry about what happened. We're gonna give the people of Hawaii the requirements necessary for them to rebuild. We don't need to be involved in this. Let the people of Hawaii have their things. I don't. We don't know why we've been just so invested. I guarantee you just gonna. It's just gonna change. The tone is just gonna change.

Cristina: Weird. Okay.

Jack: You know, the sloppy is entirely due to the desperation and the withdrawal. The comes with adrenochrome. Why is it target children? It's obviously the target's children. Because you need a dream of.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister, with social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 237: Elfame

How does magic factor into the realms? Where do fairies come from? Why does mount Athos have a barrier to magic? The duo unpack magic and it’s source and finally have a breakthrough that could explain the true intentions of the Sea People, the Garden of Eden and more!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

  • Magic
  • Fairies
  • Elfame
  • Mab the Queen of Elfame
  • Elves
  • Oros
  • Naga
  • The Serpent
  • Sea People
  • Advanced Technology
  • Mount Athos

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+Transcriipt

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: Your memory host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. As everybody who's listened to this show consistently. No. We've been following a huge narrative and like, overturning every stone we can find adjacent to that. Anybody who's just arrived and has never heard any of our previous episodes, you should probably listen to the last maybe 10 to 15 episodes and like, catch up on what's been happening because it's maddening. But ultimately we've been figuring out that everything in all of time seems to connect mainly through religion. All the religions seem to be associated and be working together for some huge kind of COVID up. And not just a cover up. There's a lot of association between different things. There's a lot of powers at the adrenochromes and ways to cross into the shadow realm that shows itself everywhere. And civilizations that are highly advanced and we call gods, but are simply technologically advanced. But anyways, catch up. One important problem we keep coming across is the reason for people needing to contact the shadow realm or go there. And the most recent question we've been asking is, what the h***? Where does a unicorn come from? What are the fairies? Is the unicorn a fairy?

Cristina: Oh, yes.

Jack: And are the fruits technology? And if they're not technology, the fruits in the Garden of Eden, are they technology? Like Adam and Eve? And if they are not, are they magic? Better question, are they magic? Technology? Or in other words, technology based on magic?

Cristina: No, there's no magic. It's gotta be technology.

Jack: Then what is a fairy tale? Because we know that the gods of the mortal world themselves used to be mortal and have simply, through technological advancement over millions of years, escaped that mortality.

Cristina: So you're saying the fairies might actually be.

Jack: I'm saying the fairies might actually be magic. We know the shadow realm is something else.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Some form of actual power.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But in Earth Realm it doesn't seem to be such a thing. Every time you dig deep enough, it just seems to be technology.

Cristina: Yeah. And these so called magical beings don't really have magic themselves. Like if you were to see them, you'd say, oh, that's like from a fantasy. Werewolf, whatever. But like there's nothing magical about these creatures they're murdering, which is in normal.

Jack: Ways, you know, and it's like even when there is something that might seem like Magic. There's a real biological thing happening, and it's being affected by power. Not magic from the shadow realm, specifically. Yeah, Just direct connection. And it's biological and scientific. You could calculate its effects. You could replicate it, which puts it in the realm of power. Because of science or biology? Well, I guess biology is science. It's science from a different realm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But it doesn't seem to work that way with fairies. They seem to easily traverse without the need for these things that affect them biologically. They just have the ability to do it.

Cristina: So you think unicorns are fairies?

Jack: I do truly believe unicorns are fairies simply because they have this ability to just show up. The only other things we know that have the ability to just show up seem to be fairies. Now, this requires a pretty deep dive, but, oh, f****** boy. Did the deep dive payoff deep diving.

Cristina: Into unicorns and fairies or some whole.

Jack: Other thing into unicorns and fairies.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So the main question about fairies is if they can jump from Earth realm to the shadow realm effortlessly. But the beings of the shadow realm have rules to cross, and the beams of Earth realm have rules to cross. They cannot be from either. It doesn't make any sense. At least that is the assumption I'm making. Well, following that assumption paid off. Let us open some of these doors. So, first, fairies exist in every single culture that has ever existed. Without exception. Without exception, without exception. Anywhere you look, they have mentions of fairies.

Cristina: You look throughout the world.

Jack: I looked at anything and everything I could find, and everybody has a mention for fairies. And we're not just talking cultures outside of religion. We're talking within every single religion you look, there are mentions of fairies, and they are never mentioned along God as one of the angels, as one of his. Their demigods is one of a deity. No, they're different.

Cristina: They're different. So the Bible, you're saying, also has.

Jack: The Bible as well? I mean, specifically, when we're talking about St. Patrick, he encounters fairies.

Cristina: Yes, but he's outside the Bible.

Jack: Yeah, but in. Within religion. Within religion specifically. I guess biblical text is more specific. But within religion.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Fairies seem to be everywhere. Now, not only do fairies seem to be everywhere, but they seem to show up simultaneously in all cultures around the very specific point, which happens to be about a hundred B.C.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's where mentions. Now, here's the weirdest part.

Cristina: What?

Jack: The mentions of fairies happened globally around this point. It wasn't like it just showed up here. These people mentioned it roughly around the same week that those people mentioned it.

Cristina: And what what was the timeline again?

Jack: About 100 B.C.100 B.C.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Everywhere. People who could not have crossed the Earth in this amount of time knew about fairies within the same year.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: What, so fairies just showed up everywhere, all at once? Fascinating.

Cristina: That is.

Jack: Every culture, every religion believes in them. They are not angels. They are not associated with any of that.

Cristina: Do you have any idea of why they showed up at that time?

Jack: Cannot tell you why.

Cristina: What do they want?

Jack: Do not know. Now, although all cultures and religions seem to have a shadow realm equivalent, the fairies are, in all instances, not connected to that place either. They are never mentioned as associated with those places.

Cristina: Is there a place they are associated with them?

Jack: We will get there. They are not part of Earthrealm. They are not part of the shadow realm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And an interesting aspect is that they are always specifically close to certain beings.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: I notice this pattern immediately, and you'll notice it, too, as I go down this list of just fairies, different kinds of fairies. So gnomes are fairies, goblins are fairies, elves are fairies. Nymphs are another word for elves. I did not know this.

Cristina: Nymphs. Okay.

Jack: Trolls are fairies. Leprechauns are fairies. We know. That's the obvious one. Along with pixies. Yeah, leprechauns. Unicorns aren't mentioned in any culture as fairies. But interesting enough, they're always mentioned where fairies happen to be.

Cristina: Okay, so these two beings might come from the same place.

Jack: They might come from the same place.

Cristina: If unicorns are not fairies, they're at least adjacent.

Jack: Yeah, very adjacent. Very important thing to mention. Now, elves and nymphs are the same thing. This is very exaggeratedly important because in Norse mythology, elves are where?

Cristina: I don't remember.

Jack: They're in Asgard, in a continent next to Asgard. They're up there in Asgard, as part of Asgard, in a continent next to Valhalla. There you go.

Cristina: That's important.

Jack: That's important, because. What are nymphs? Nymphs are just elves. Who uses that word? The Norse. And where are the nymphs? I mean. Yeah, the. The. My bad. Not the. The Greek use the word nymphs, and the Norse use the word elves.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And the nymphs hang out in Olympus with the gods. A pattern, random pattern. Both times the same creatures hanging out with the gods, but they themselves aren't gods. They're treated like gods. So, okay, I dive into elves. What's up? Elves? Why are you hanging out with the gods all the time? Come to find out, in every single culture, Elves have one very specific function. They reign over the natural forces. Mountains and rivers and oceans, all of those things. They keep natural order.

Cristina: Okay, so they are gods. They are gods.

Jack: Sort of. I suppose, if you want to call them that. Some people call them spirits, but again, they're just almost humanoid beings who just, like gods, do the thing or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, following nymphs and elves and all the different variants, they got same thing, different names. One thing keeps popping up. If you try to find out what the h*** they are, there's something called Elfame. Elfhame. I had no idea what Elfame was. And it was vague. It was mentioned over and over in different languages. But you look at what it means, and the word comes as Elfame. I'm like, what the h*** is Elfame? No matter where you go, you bring it back, and it's just Elfame.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And weirdly enough, in a lot of different languages, it's the same word. It's almost like hallelujah.

Cristina: And that's just. And that's just another word for elves.

Jack: No. So I had no idea what this was, and I had to dig pretty hard to sort of figure this out. Right. So Elfame seems to be directly connected to the elves and specifically to be the source of where their power comes from.

Cristina: Where their power comes from.

Jack: Where their power comes from. So Elfhame is some sort of thing. And one of these. The weirdest part about Elfhame is that it's mentioned in every culture and every religion, but mentioned differently everywhere, so that everybody has a separate piece. Weirdly enough, We've seen this before.

Cristina: We have.

Jack: With the sea people. Pieces everywhere.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But no whole picture. You need all the separate pieces to build sort of a puzzle.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And when you put the pieces together, you get an interesting word or phrase. Let's call it.

Cristina: Okay, what is it?

Jack: The realm of Elfhame.

Cristina: What does that mean? That means they come from a place, too.

Jack: They come from a place called Elfame.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes. And Elfame. When you then find what the realm of Elfane means, the most common, weirdly enough and stupid name, is Fairyland.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Fairyland.

Cristina: They're gonna say magic land, but okay, close enough.

Jack: Fairyland. Now, you look into Elfame, the realm of Elfame, and you immediately get one thing that just sticks way out. The name Mab. And when you follow the name Mab to a source, you get the queen of Elfame.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The highest power within Elfhame, the creator of everything within Elfame. Okay, fantastic. Now we're getting somewhere. We have a place and we have.

Cristina: A person who made it, who made everything in there. Okay.

Jack: All of the. I don't know if she made it. I know she's from there and she made everything in there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Was she a product of Elfame or did she make Elfim? Don't know.

Cristina: Who knows? She might have came from here and then.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Who knows?

Jack: Who knows? Now described as the greatest of gods in Elfhame. And then the God of gods. Fascinating. So, stones getting turned over, things to note that immediately showed up. Elfame not only created all things, but through logical breakdown, everything must be removed from by one relative to her.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: We'll revisit that sentence in a bit.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Elves come from Elame. Elves are the human equivalent of Elaine.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're people. Yeah, totally just people. Now, elves like the humans of Earthrealm or the Djinn of the Shadow Realm, come below the God. Right. Elves in the human world, Earth Realm, or the Djinn world, the Shadow Realm, even if they are the human equivalent, are about as powerful, slightly more than the gods of those respective realms.

Cristina: Okay. I mean, the oath are equal to our gods pretty much.

Jack: And to the gods of the Djinn. Very important sentence I found there. They are equal to the gods of the shadow realm. Thus confirming gods in the shadow realm. That's no longer a theory. Because when you're looking at Elfham, it particularly mentions the Shadow realm and actually refers to the elf to Earthrealm as Earthrealm. It differentiates and usually mentions three locations. It's not like Norse mythology that it mentions a bunch of different locations.

Cristina: Okay. Interesting.

Jack: So this actually brings up something we can. We came across in the last couple of weeks. Asgard and Midgard and Helheim. The fact that you can physically traverse these locations tells you calling them realms is incorrect. Those are physical destinations you can reach. Yeah, just like Olympus. You could just climb to the top. Those aren't other realms. Those aren't heavens. It's a place you could just go to as a normal mortal. If they weren't stopping you by force. Just places. According to Elfame and Mav, there are only three. Only three realms.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Earth Realm, the realm of Elfame and the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: And Mab is God again.

Jack: Mab is the God.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So now we have to assume that there is no God as powerful as Mab. It's Mab on top, elves and the gods of the other realms. And then the Djinn and us. Fascinating.

Cristina: How is he much stronger? I don't understand.

Jack: Well, let's go down. What I found of Alphane. Alphane. The realm of the fairies God named Mab. The source of magic in all realms.

Cristina: Come over there.

Jack: What?

Cristina: It comes from there.

Jack: Comes from there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Flows out of Elfame into the other realms. Which actually sides kind of perfectly with things that the Norse suggest. There's a flow in one direction.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This one was very weird. How it showed up twice. And they used very similar language. All other realms orbit Elfame. Similar to how the planets orbit the sun and similar to how the sun orbits the black hole.

Cristina: What's that supposed to mean? I don't get it.

Jack: I don't understand how realms orbit. That's a confusing thought in general. But it showed up twice. This was written a hundred years BC.

Cristina: And we are orbiting them.

Jack: We are orbiting them. I don't know what that means. Because it's a realm. How do realms orbit?

Cristina: Yeah. Weird. Okay.

Jack: Now here is where things start to make more sense. Mab sends elves to the greatest civilizations of every realm to watch over and moderate the power of those beings over lesser beings.

Cristina: What she has.

Jack: She sends elves to the most powerful civilizations of. Of other realms to watch over and moderate their power over lesser beings.

Cristina: So she has some in the Shadow Realm.

Jack: So she has some in the Shadow Realm. This is gonna get way weirder as we keep going.

Cristina: This is pretty weird.

Jack: It's pretty weird. Now we're just deep diving in the magic.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So let's literally deep dive in the magic. Things I found out about magic. So magic can be used in other realms through many different ways. Incantations, material rituals, symbolic movements. Which is weird. I've never thought about that. But that's essentially what waving a wand is. I guess magic can be contained in other realms. This immediately made me think of three objects.

Cristina: Are they? I don't know.

Jack: Man. You exist. Lost the apples, obviously.

Cristina: Oh, well, I thought we weren't sure if those were objects. Like what exactly?

Jack: Well, we don't. We don't know. But that's. It made me think of those. That's all I said. It made me think of three objects. Runes, hexes and curses are all examples of containing magic within one of the realms. That is not Alphane. The flow happens. And you can trap the flow or not the flow we can trap what came in.

Cristina: Are just elves able to use this or we're using these. Two people are using these.

Jack: So actually I tried to establish that and it's incredibly unclear. It seems like the methods to using magic seem universal. Like the elves would contain the magic which is established. All beings of Elfame have magic Inherently within them. But then who's using these things? It's not established who's using these things, but if all the creatures of Elfame already have magic, they wouldn't need these things. They are magic themselves. So presumably these are all ways for the inhabitants of other realms to then use magic. Which, in thinking about runes and hexes and curses, it immediately makes me think of what we've called the gods and we found out are just really advanced creatures. They have not only mastered the sciences of our realm, but have learned how to literally use the magic of Elfhame.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To move farther. Now the picture is getting more complete.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Starting to understand. Little. Little more.

Cristina: And she's not using anything that could be similar to Adam and Eve.

Jack: No, no, she can. She's the actual epitome of what everybody else calls themselves, as when there's claiming to be a God, she can just manifest things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, things about magic. Magic can be used to move things between realms. So not only can the creatures of Alfeim seamlessly traverse between realms, but you can use the magic of Alphane to move things between realms. Basically, creatures within the other realms can use all the abilities that fairies have.

Cristina: Okay, so using the unicorns to do it.

Jack: Using the unicorns to move between realms.

Cristina: Unless there's stories of them using portals.

Jack: Without having fairies, the Elfame do not need portals. They can just move effortlessly between realms.

Cristina: Yeah, but I mean, like the sea people, when they went through portals, they always had unicorns.

Jack: So it seems to be the case that unicorns are exclusive to Mount Athos. And it doesn't seem that they necessarily use them to. As far as we know, because we don't really know what's happening at the very top of Mount Athos. We just know they come down, they trade, they interact. And we know the merry went up and poof, vanished. We also know that the sea people have highly advanced technologies. And we can surmise portal technology because they were moving instantaneously between Cyprus and Athos.

Cristina: Okay. Do you think they're using their portal technology, the portal technology?

Jack: Probably not taking them into any other place. I think it's just staying here. I think it's their way in and out of actual tech. It's. I think it's actual tech.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: Hauntings are a way to attach a shadow realm being to an earthrealm anchor. That clarifies a lot.

Cristina: And who's trying to do that? This release. That part doesn't relate to the elves, does it? Are the elves doing that?

Jack: Anybody who can wield Magic can do that. It's a matter who's doing it. Anybody who's using magic to any degree, whether it's an elf who is magic or a person who discovered magic and.

Cristina: Is using it, just attached a fairy.

Jack: I mean, you can attach a Shadow Realm being to an Earth Realm anchor.

Cristina: That's crazy. Okay, this explains a lot.

Jack: Magic potions can move Earth Realm things into the Shadow Realm. Potion is just anything that you consume, which again, gives us a very specific thing. An apple, Something you can't consume.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Magic can alter states within other realms.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: You can change structure, you can change physicality, you can violate the rules of nature. This gives us a couple of things. It says it could grant youth and it could literally end mortality. But also you can alter natural states of things that exist within the the realms. Rivers, mountains, Specifically mountains is the one that stands out because Mount Athos. Only until the top are no abilities capable of taking place, which means creatures were in fact or people were in fact using magic. And they get to Mount Athos and it just ceases to exist. So there's a barrier there that has been altered. And it seems like this mountain particularly was altered, perhaps by fairies themselves, to remove the ability for there to be magic there. There is something special about Mount Athos that is different to every other mountain. And the sea people have capitalized on that. I do not understand how and I do not understand why, but there is something about this mountain, in particular the sea people.

Cristina: And the fairies.

Jack: And the fairies. The fairies canceled out magic until the summit.

Cristina: That is so weird. What could that be about?

Jack: I do not know. It is very strange. Now, beings of Elfame, beings of elf fame, are generally considered more powerful than beings of the other realms which I established. Elves in Asgard, equal to the humans of Earth, but as powerful as the gods of Asgard. Because they're just humans. They're just the humans of Elfame. They're equivalent to humans, except they're as powerful as the gods. Now, the gods were once human.

Cristina: The gods in our realm, okay, they.

Jack: Were just maybe not necessarily human. That's probably a violation of logic. But like, they were an intelligent humanoid civilization that became highly advanced and discovered the magics of Elfane on top of mastered the technologies of earthrealm.

Cristina: They mostly, most likely came from Earth.

Jack: Yeah, it seems like everything that we have on this side came from Earth because they still need all these other things. They require all these other things. A good breakdown is to say power exists in the Shadow Realm, magic exists in the Realm of Elfane and Earthrealm has science. These are the ways that you advance through all of them. And we understand how to move from Earth realm to the shadow realm. And with enough time and experimentation using our sciences, we can figure out how to cross. And the same way the creatures in the shadow realm, using their power ability, have found a way to cross. But it seems like from either realm, there's no way into the fairy realm. There must be.

Cristina: So you found nothing with the shadow realm and fairy realm?

Jack: Yeah, there's nothing crossing into the fairy realm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There's nothing entering the fairy realm, as far as I know. And I was looking, it seems like entirely flows outwards. The only beings who can get there are the fairies, as far as I know. So elves in Asgard that are technically equal to the humans are as powerful as the gods of Asgard. Nymphs in Greece, equal to the humans of earthrealm, but as powerful as the gods of Olympus. So at all points, they are as powerful as the most advanced civilizations that have existed merely through magic ability. They're casually stronger than everything. Second, the elves are stronger than every other. Or more magical is a way to put this. They're more magical than every other fairy within Elfame. The elves are the pinnacle of magic.

Cristina: The elm.

Jack: Yes. There's nothing more magical than an elf.

Cristina: So there's other things.

Jack: There's a bunch of other things. I listed them at the beginning.

Cristina: They're not elves.

Jack: They're not elves. They're all fairies. Elves are also fairies and elves are fairies.

Cristina: Okay. And what's her name?

Jack: Mab.

Cristina: Mab. Is she an elf? Is she a fairy? Is she something else?

Jack: She's a God.

Cristina: She's a God.

Jack: She's a God. She's literally God. She's God of seemingly everything. She's. She's by no other definition, just purely God.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So beings of Elfame, in every mythology and belief system seem to preside and maintain the balance and control of the map and the natural order of all the realms. Mainly rivers, forests, oceans, caves, and primarily mountains.

Cristina: Mountains, okay, Mountains.

Jack: Elves focus primarily on mountains. The most advanced civilizations station themselves on mountains.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: With the only exception being the most advanced of civilizations, the sea people, who opted into the polar opposite.

Cristina: Mountains feel like the point where every realm can meet at whether it's the shadow, Earth or Elfhame. Like you'd have all three meeting up on that mountain.

Jack: I was actually assuming the same thing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I had the same conclusion that especially when you consider that the Shadow Realm and EarthRealm are mirror versions of one another. That even if everything is twisted between the two points, the top of a mountain is still the top of a mountain in both.

Cristina: Wait, how? Like for the fairy? Is it also Amera? Or is it a whole different thing.

Jack: A whole different place? Okay, there's no.

Cristina: Well, it's not established because no one's ever been there.

Jack: Okay, now no one's ever been there. It's completely vague.

Cristina: It could be exactly the same. We had no idea.

Jack: But based on Mount Kaath, we know that the top of a mountain literally connects the Earth Realm and the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: See, People hit it. But that doesn't change the fact that it was literally a focal point where you could cross over. It was a literal gate. And other mountains seem to have some. Some reason that the most advanced civilizations stationed themselves on top of them. And when you don't have a mountain, you make a. What?

Cristina: You don't have a mountain, you make a sea base? I don't know.

Jack: No, you make a pyramid, you.

Cristina: Wait, what?

Jack: When you don't have a mountain, you make a pyramid. Interesting. What is a pyramid if not a man made mountain? Fascinating. Who gave people the technology to make the pyramids? The sea people. The sea people went where under the ocean? They have the ability to build a mountain underneath the ocean. They don't need a mountain. They can just make it. They get how to create the same point that allows the magic of mountains to happen somehow. And from whatever mountain they have that down there, they connect directly to Athos.

Cristina: That is so crazy.

Jack: Where are Jesus gates mostly found at?

Cristina: I feel like mountains.

Jack: Mountains. The answer to mountains. They are a focal point between all realms seemingly.

Cristina: That makes sense. And also all of them would be attracted to mountains because there's plants, magical plants growing on those mountains as well.

Jack: There's magical plans.

Cristina: Magic is literally coming out of those portals because of what's going on there.

Jack: Yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Jack: Literal magic like focal points.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's why the elves focus on these points. The gods are going to chill on a mountain. Well, we got to make sure we keep them in check. Do the elves? So now let us talk about Mab for a bit. Mab made everything. We do not know where Mab came from. There's no explanation. We just know not everything here.

Cristina: Just everything there.

Jack: Mab made everything. And we do not know where Mab came from. Mab could have always been. She seems to be the ultimate version of God. I suppose in theory, Infinitely Being could be a state. But Mab could have been brought into existence. Meaning there's Some hierarchy around her we don't understand. But Mab had three initial creations.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So they're called the Nams in some religions. They're called the Fates in other religions. And they serve a very basic purpose. They are three female deities given powers above the elves, but below Mab.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The three are Calatho, Varandi, and Itsutsuya. And they all have very specific purposes.

Cristina: Is it similar to some raffles?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But. Interesting comparison. Interesting way to. Because there are three. But the first one made was Clatho. And Clatho is responsible for providing life into the realms. She delivers the life directly into the womb.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Verandi is responsible for delivering the purpose into these lives.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And Itsatsuya is responsible for ending those lives.

Cristina: Ending those lives was what, man? What if Adam and Eve are based on that? And maybe what was the other one? The first. What was the first one that Adam, Eve and.

Jack: And Lilith.

Cristina: Lilith, yes. What if Lilith was a machine, too?

Jack: Well, we know that's wrong because Lilith used Adam.

Cristina: We know she was the first to be used with Adam. What if she's Death? But then why would death come first?

Jack: No, it doesn't make any sense. Unless we're using, like, some supernatural kind of. Then again, they do a lot of homework, too. But it could be that death came before all things.

Cristina: That's what I was going to say.

Jack: But here the suggestion is that death and life happen simultaneously. So that also checks out to some degree. But no, because we know that Adam and Eve are within our realm and used by Jehovah. That wouldn't be possible if they're so superior that they're stronger than the elves that would be presiding over Jehovah.

Cristina: No, but they could. I guess that would be just based on what these guys are doing then.

Jack: Well, presumably just everywhere else. They're trying to create life the same way that these goddesses were capable of doing. Okay, but now, sticking to what you've just tried to conclude and failed to conclude, there's one very, very, very interesting thing. Although Mab had three first creations, there is something that Mab has referred to as her greatest creation. We introduce Oros.

Cristina: What does Oros do?

Jack: Well, wrong question. What is Oros?

Cristina: Is where you should have come from? I don't know, because I would just assume it's a fairy, too. I don't know. Okay, what is it?

Jack: Maybe, I guess everything from elfing is considered a fairy.

Cristina: Okay, what makes it different? What is it?

Jack: Well, let me tell you. Oros is referred to as the great Cosmic Serpent.

Cristina: Okay, that Sounds familiar.

Jack: There's a very. I immediately think of Norse mythology. Yes, but no. Small potatoes. Small potatoes. Elfame is guardian of all elves within all civilizations of power. Elfhame watches over the elves.

Cristina: What is elf? Isn't Elfhame the name of the place?

Jack: I mean, not Elfhame. Oros watches over the elves.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Oros watches over the elves in all the civilizations that have great power that the elves are watching over. So the elves watch over the civilizations that the three goddesses deliver life to from the beginning before they're advanced. The three goddesses make the primitive life that evolves into this highly complicated life that then the elves watch over.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Oroz watches over the elves.

Cristina: Okay. That's why there's one snake around us and one snake with the garden.

Jack: Well, yes, you're definitely piecing it together the right way. Weirdly enough, Oros exists simultaneously within all realms and encircling the entire universe.

Cristina: So there's.

Jack: Oros is in more places than Mab. Oros is everywhere. Mab is just an elephant.

Cristina: Okay, so he's not the snake from the garden. Because if that happens to be the case, then are they also. Did they create a realm?

Jack: Well, let me then tell you the next most important piece of this puzzle that 100% answers. A lot. A lot.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Oros is the father of the Naga. The Naga are a serpent race that are distributed one per highly advanced civilization to be part of and assist as required within these civilizations, unlike the elves that watch over the Naga, have one single member of their tribe in each highly advanced civilization, thus answering who the serpent is in the garden.

Cristina: So that means they're in a different. There's another realm. It's a fake realm.

Jack: It's doesn't have. It doesn't have to be a realm. It doesn't. There's nothing about it making a realm. The serpent gets sent to assist.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So it's. So. So, okay.

Jack: There is a God fairy assisting every major civilization in different ways.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Interesting enough, there are three very distinct examples of this. We have the serpent assisting in the garden.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We have the serpent watching over all of the realms in Norse mythology. And we have the serpent punishing people in Greek mythology.

Cristina: Is the serpent punishing people?

Jack: Medusa. Oh, they're all just fairies approaching differently. They're all doing exactly the same thing, though.

Cristina: What is Matsud? Medusa. How?

Jack: While the serpent watches around the realms because the gods, the most advanced civilizations of the Norse ideology, are also watching around. The Greek gods aren't watching s***. They're ruthless. Monsters that go around destroying whatever the f*** they come across. So what is Medusa doing? She's also going around destroying whatever the f*** she comes across. While the gods of Christianity are doing what they're creating, they're building. So the serpent is doing what? It's building, it's creating. It's always aligned with. With whatever the strongest civilization is doing. And it's partaking equally. It's there to assist purely.

Cristina: Oh, snap. Okay. Interesting. That is weird. That is so weird. What? What?

Jack: Fascinating. No.

Cristina: Yes, that makes sense.

Jack: In every case it looks very different, so you'd never conflate them. Yeah, but if you just think of what the gods, quote gods unquote in each one of these scenarios is doing, then the serpent is ultimately doing the same thing. In every scenario, the Asgardian gods are detached or watching from a distance. So the snake is doing what? It's detached, it's watching from a distance.

Cristina: Do we have any snakes in the Shadow Realm that we know about? Do you remember?

Jack: There's no way. I don't know. I have no idea. We can only. We only have the rel. We'd have to somehow get religious texts from the Shadow Realm. And that seems impossible.

Cristina: Okay, yeah.

Jack: But there's some very consistent themes happening here. Every civilization has the elves. Every civilization has the serpents. The serpents are all son of Oros.

Cristina: And these three gods, mini gods, whatever. The goddesses. Where. Where are they? Are they just in the fairy place?

Jack: That is unclear. That is entirely unclear. I haven't the slightest clue. Okay, we don't know where those gods are. We don't know if Elfame. Not Elfame, if Mab ever leaves. Elfame. Okay, we don't know if her three goddesses leave Elfhame. We know that Oros does. But Oros is everywhere.

Cristina: So he's not leaving.

Jack: Yeah, he's not. He's not leaving. He just kind of is.

Cristina: He just is. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: And then he is the father of.

Cristina: The Naga, which are everywhere.

Jack: One her advanced, highly developed God like civilization. Okay, so presumably he gives birth to a new one. When a civilization reaches a certain point and is there to assist objectively. Doesn't seem to bother Naga. It doesn't seem to bother Elfame. Doesn't seem to bother the goddesses. Just there to assist. However the civilization requires.

Cristina: That is so crazy.

Jack: But why? But why? Especially with Naga, the Naga. What are the Naga doing? Why?

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Why are they assisting?

Cristina: Besides that. They were made for that.

Jack: Why were they made for that? What's. Okay, then that's let's ignore the Naga. Their purpose is to do this. Why did Oros make them for that? Also, is Oros short for Ouroboros? Maybe all encompassing snake.

Cristina: Yeah, okay, just.

Jack: Just a thought. I don't know. Didn't say anything about that. That's just me spitballing out here.

Cristina: Huh? But why?

Jack: But why?

Cristina: But why?

Jack: Mab makes absolute sense. God makes stuff. Yeah, fine, great. Sweet.

Cristina: Whatever.

Jack: Everybody else we know is trying to imitate Map.

Cristina: Yes, sweet.

Jack: Fantastic. If we follow the logic we've established a long time ago and there's gods trying to reach the bigger God, pinnacle. Their entire goal is to become map or conquer. Map or enter the fairy realm. Who the h***.

Cristina: Something like that.

Jack: Something like that. We have a direction to look now. And Mab makes goddesses. Right. Okay, this is totally on point with what we would understand. Yeah, checks out.

Cristina: All that makes sense.

Jack: All of it makes sense. Civilization within Elfame totally makes perfect sense. And creating elves to watch over other civilizations totally makes absolute sense. Yes. They're not interfering, they're watching over. Don't get too powerful. Don't harm the little people. Fantastic. Great. So if you created the elves to do this, and then you go out of your way and make Oros, and then Oros decides to make Medusa. Yeah, definitely.

Cristina: Then the God wasn't planning on him doing that. Like, she probably didn't seem to care. Yeah, when she made him, that wasn't part of her plan.

Jack: I'm saying that means something would exist outside of her plan. And then we're back to the whole she can't be with the God of gods. Well, okay, so being the God of.

Cristina: Gods, this has to be part of her plan.

Jack: Does there need to be a plan?

Cristina: Oh, yes.

Jack: I don't know this very Christian of you. Yeah, yeah, but does there need. I don't think there needs to be a plan. My point is, like, why isn't there a conflict of interest here? You make the elves to watch over to make sure they don't. Or is it. Or is it to keep a check on their power? To what? Yeah, the elves watching over the most advanced civilizations is entirely to keep a check on their power. So even if Oros makes the Naga, the Naga aren't stronger than the elves, even if Oroz is. Okay, so that. Yeah, sure, you might help in any manner, shape or form, but the elves are preventing them from ever getting powerful enough to either enter Elfhame or overthrow one of the goddesses. Or overthrow Mabs.

Cristina: There's too many questions. I don't know it's so confusing. I don't know. There's so much happening. Whoa. So many new rules. But it fits.

Jack: It fits. Everything is connecting somehow.

Cristina: I just don't get it. What? Why? That is a good question. Why?

Jack: Why? Why Oros? Why is Oros doing it? If the elves exist again, it could just be. Theoretically, if we were to put this into perspective, it could really be that the elves are there as a cap to the most advanced civilizations. Because we know that these advanced civilizations are trying to establish something and they're sitting on top of mountains, which gives us a clear suggestion. If mountains are the cross through realms. They're probably in every instance trying to get to the fairy realm. But there's some. Some pieces missing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That allows them to understand how to do so. And they can cross. They figured out how to cross between at least EarthRealm and the Shadow Realm. There's many different rules and many different abilities to do so. And they've managed to confine magic in ways to wield it and use it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But never bridge gap to Elfame.

Cristina: It's probably not possible. You think it's possible?

Jack: I don't know. I don't know.

Cristina: But you think if it is possible, these elves are stopping that from happening.

Jack: These elves are probably stopping that from happening. If it is possible. Because specifically said that they're watching over the most developed and advanced of civilizations.

Cristina: What could they possibly care about?

Jack: What could they care about? They're just living their lives right next to the Asgardians.

Cristina: They're jumping back and forth from all these different realms.

Jack: When the Greek gods are called into higher court, the elves join them. Why? You don't want them to conspire and do things you're not aware of. But why?

Cristina: But why?

Jack: But why? It's. It seems like they're designed as a.

Cristina: Cap, I think so just to keep them away from their home, from Elfame.

Jack: So then the question is, we know that a lot of these highly advanced civilizations that we refer to as gods are significantly more powerful than the other fairies. We know this because we have examples of people developing incredible amounts of power. A good example is St. Peter. Exaggerated amounts of power that you could just deflect these things. Easy, casual. There's no way in h***. The sea people can't just s*** on every other elf. Not elf, every other fairy, minus the elves. Interesting enough. I don't know of a mention of elves watching over the sea people. That's interesting. There must be.

Cristina: There must be. They have. They have the snake dye.

Jack: They have. Yeah. The Naga.

Cristina: Yeah, Serpent. So they have to have elves as well. They're mostly not fairies. Unicorns. Unicorns have to be related somehow.

Jack: Unicorns, they don't have unicorns. Are in Athos and only in Athos. Have only ever been seen in Athos. Have only ever mentioned related to Athos. There's no other mention of unicorns anywhere else. And anybody who has talked about them pointed towards Athos.

Cristina: But they were the ones with the unicorns, weren't they?

Jack: They're the ones with mention to unicorns because they're also the ones on Mount Athos.

Cristina: Oh, I thought they were writing down on unicorns on Mount Athos. Yes.

Jack: Never been a mention of unicorns outside of Athos. It seems that unicorns aren't related to the sea people. They're related to Mount Athos. Okay, but also, why the. Aren't unicorns anywhere else?

Cristina: Yes. If they're fairies, many magical mountain tops that they could be hanging out.

Jack: It could be anywhere. Just Mount Athos. There's something about Mount Athos, a specific. Mount Athos is the only place with unicorns that are most likely an animal of the fairy world. And Mount Athos is the only place on earth, as far as we know, that has magic literally disabled from the bottom all the way to the summit. And only at the summit is there. So maybe, in theory, the fairies didn't even remove the magic there. Maybe that mountain stops the fairies from using their ability and showing up. And the only people who have figured out how to do that are the sea people, which would also explain why we don't have elves mentioned with the sea people. Because they've managed to keep the elves away because they can easily disable an entire mountain. They can shut down a whole mountain. That is magic. Or not magic, but a connection between portals. Are the sea people getting too powerful? And that's the real problem. They can again, Mount Athos. They can just stop magic.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: All the way to the summit. You have to meet us where we want you. You can't surprise us. You got to show up where we are, where we want you. You're at a focal point. Ooh. You can't go anywhere.

Cristina: So then maybe they're hiding from fairies because we know they're hiding from something.

Jack: Fair enough. Oh, my freaking God. Are they hiding from the freaking elves? And thus building these technologies using as well as using magics as well, and the bypasses that prevent them, that make them not need adrenochrome. So they don't need adrenochrome to Cross. They have other methods. The fruits, which are essentially magic, which are more powerful than adrenochrome because they can go not only to the shadow realm, but maybe these fruits are allowing them more than that.

Cristina: Like what?

Jack: The ability to cross the fairy realm.

Cristina: No way. Or.

Jack: That is the plan.

Cristina: That's the plan.

Jack: That's the plan. So the sea people cancel out Man Tathos.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And the fairies can't show up there. That's why the unicorns are only there because unicorns are trapped there.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They can't leave.

Cristina: They can't go back to the ferry.

Jack: They can't use their magic abilities to just pop in and out. They're just stuck there.

Cristina: Ah.

Jack: And then they just use them to ride around the mountain. F*** that. They're ours. They belong to us.

Cristina: Yeah, on that specific mountain.

Jack: On that specific mountain. And then the top of the mountain is the only place where transactions could happen. But the fairies already know this is a f***** up mountain. We're not going there because then we can get trapped there too. The elves aren't gonna go there, okay? Because they could be trapped there. There's no magic on Mount Athos, and they're literally beings of magic, so they can't make it there. Whatever power they used to disable magic on Mount Athos is the same s*** they were using when they were in the Persian Gulf oasis. But everybody knew where the f*** that was.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So even if we can't magically pop up there, we can magically pop up somewhere else and travel there. So instead, let us go somewhere else and disable magic there where you couldn't get to us without magic, we or our specific technology. But also you couldn't get to us with magic because like Mount Athos, we've disabled it. And you don't have our technologies. So they successfully hide from all of the most advanced civilizations and all of the beings of magic because they just can't get down there. They don't. They can't use magic around Atlantis. Atlantis is a barrier for magic.

Cristina: What? Okay, what does this mean? I don't understand. Is there a bad guy to the story? Maybe there's not. I don't know.

Jack: And are the Naga. The Naga have to be magic, right?

Cristina: Which ones are the Nagas?

Jack: Oh, the Sons of Oros.

Cristina: Wait, why is everyone hanging out with them?

Jack: Exactly. It's so broken.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Is he a traitor?

Cristina: Is he trapped?

Jack: He also isn't teleporting or anything. He's just chilling there. He's one of them.

Cristina: He might be Trapped.

Jack: He might be trapped. He might be. Yeah. He might just be trapped.

Cristina: The unicorns, they might have trapped the snake.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Are the sea people getting really intense? And it's like the Elfham are like, f***. Like, f***. They figured this out underneath our noses.

Cristina: They're just kidnapping them. What?

Jack: Well, the Naga, specifically, yeah.

Cristina: Still pretty crazy.

Jack: The plot thickens.

Cristina: Yes. What does it mean, though?

Jack: What does it mean? Right, right.

Cristina: Nonsense. I don't know.

Jack: What does it mean?

Cristina: What does it mean? Are they. What is the goal?

Jack: What is the goal? The theory is, what we've established now is okay, yes, definitely. Most likely because doesn't make sense for the creatures of Elfame to create a barrier on the mountain because they need to be able to use magic to get there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So somebody else did. But who is on that mountain? The sea people or. They're not on that mountain. They're never going to be on that mountain because it's a traversable location.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They leave only a single spot on the very top. Only a single spot on the very top. Everywhere else on that mountain, magic is impossible. And if you were to go to that spot on the very top, well, you're where they would want you. So there's no way in h*** a fairy would go there. Because you'd be caught.

Cristina: Yes. It also stops. Like Shadow Realm creatures, too, or is it just a fairy trap?

Jack: Well, Shadow Realm creatures aren't magic.

Cristina: Okay, so it just works on magical creatures.

Jack: Shadow Realm creatures, when they cross to this side, in theory, function the way we do, they're just different. Then again. Then again, when we look at the wet judge and when we look at the Djinn, one, they're kind of almost literally shadows. And two, there's an ethereal thing to them. Translucent, kind of ghostly. So I don't know. Power works so differently.

Cristina: We don't know any stories about the sea people using Shadow Realm creatures or anything?

Jack: No, they specifically avoid using even Adrenochrome, which is the original connection to that site. They don't care about the Shadow Realm. The Shadow Realm isn't their goal.

Cristina: Except for Jesus was one of them.

Jack: Jesus, who's aligned with the Shadow Realm, but does.

Cristina: What does he think of the fairies? And what do the fairies think of him?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: I don't understand.

Jack: But now we know why it was important to cast him out. Because people were having visions of them. Yeah, you're gonna go kind of escape. It wasn't to escape the other gods. The other gods have nothing on the sea people they're overpowered. You guys can't do s*** to us. But the fairies can.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: They were hiding from the fairies. They were hiding from something. It was about the fairies. We can't let the fairies know where we are because we're going to keep developing whatever we're developing.

Cristina: So even the fairies are dreaming of Jesus then?

Jack: Maybe. Or not necessarily. Because the fairies can contact somebody who had visions and find out where they are. Okay, but outside the point, because then are Adam and Eve. Their attempt to pause. Dramatic pause, make their own fairies. They have the serpent.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They already managed to make life many different ways with Adam.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They refined it to come up with us. They have the fruits. All of which seem to be magical to some degree.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But they're not done. We need to continue working with this. We need to hide this project and keep working on it. What else could there be it the other creatures weren't trying to get Adam and Eve and the fruits to make life, just normal life. That doesn't make sense. They want their own slave fairies and they know there's only one civilization that's on its way to do it.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: Sea people. The same people that explains the wars that were fought over Alcaraz, the Palace of Alcaraz at the Persian Gulf oasis, the Tanker War. Because they're trying to Anything, anything. They can come up with any shred of information that may help them or guide them or where the f*** are these people? Or how do we get to them? Or how.

Cristina: So no matter how advanced they are, which they are incredibly, incredibly advanced.

Jack: Ridiculous.

Cristina: Probably still haven't figured out how to make fairies.

Jack: That's the point of staying in absolute secrecy. Because once they do come up with their own fairies, if they can make up their own fairies, then these fairies would be. In theory, it would be controlling fairies. That's the goal. And then they would be so exaggeratedly overpowered. Nevertheless, you'd have a way into Helfhain. You'd have literal fairies who. If you can't go in, it doesn't matter. Send your army in just to see.

Cristina: What'S on the other side. That'd be crazy. I mean, it's not just for that, but just to see the other side.

Jack: Proof that we can send something over.

Cristina: Yeah. Whoa. What could this man.

Jack: So the sea people get really, really advanced and they're probably being watched by something. Presumably they're being watched by the elves. Obviously the elves are somewhere. We don't know where, but there's somewhere around them, close, nearby. When they're living in the Persian Gulf oasis. Absolutely. Fine, great. But they make a breakthrough, and. Or they're about to make a breakthrough. They know something that they don't want released. And before they get to that point, there's this kid. People are having visions of this kid.

Cristina: Yeah, like f***. Get rid of this problem.

Jack: We get rid of the lady. She can join us later. She wants to join us, but we got to get rid of the kid. She's on board. She's going to go have the kid. She can join us. Fine. The goal is get somewhere where there's no visions happening of your place. You can take the garden. They have the apples and Adam and Eve. Three people. Three primary people on the project. One is a literal fairy that you've somehow caught. Now, portal technology, Cypress to Athos. But wait, before we do this, let's cancel out Athos, okay? Because we need Mary to get there to could just follow Mary. We're gonna make them not be able to follow Mary. Mary's gonna use a portal to get to Athos. They could never cross the portal because they would just disappear on the other side because magic can't exist there. Boom. Okay, so far so good.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So they cross over. Or if they do cross over to just people. We can f*** them up. It's easy. We'll capture more of them. Maybe they have cap. Holy s***. Maybe that's why we don't hear fairies relative to the sea people. Maybe they did catch all their fairies. Maybe the fairies were doing their job, the elves were doing their jobs and followed Mary through the gate into Mount Athos, where their abilities were canceled. Maybe that was the original purpose. Their abilities get canceled. Now you're just people over here. But we're technology. You cannot f*** with this. Slaves. People to experiment on. Probably you take them across into Atlantis. There's no way down there. It's too f****** deep. There's no technology that people have that can get them down there. It's exaggerated, but they know how to do it. Also, they can cloak themselves. And also they can create barriers of magic. So no other magic creature can get down there and no technology can get down there. Unless you have our technology. And only we have our technology. Nobody else has our technology. So they get down there to get Mary back down there.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We never hear from Mary again. Where'd she go? Okay, she's down there. The serpent is down there. The unicorns are stuck on the mountain. They cannot poof out.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They cannot poof out.

Cristina: I don't think so.

Jack: So they're trapped there. But they didn't need the unicorns. Those are our rides out here. They already like Pegasus. They like fancy rides. These are the fanciest of rides. Unicorns.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But the elves are gone too. Mary and the elves are gone. Which is also why having Knights Templar is important. Erase all the data. Erase everything. We can't have anybody catch up. Scientifically. We can't have anybody understand the truth. The more vague the better. Because then we have more time to work on our s***.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're down there. They're working three apples that are magic. The program Adam and Eve. The goal is some cross of these things. It was always a point. The point was always some cross of Adam and Eve and the fruits. That was the goal.

Cristina: Because that somehow equals fairy.

Jack: That somehow equals fairy. Life plus magic equals fairy. Simple. They managed to like runes. The apples are like runes. And we have the ability to create highly advanced life. That's almost at where we are in one shot. How do we cross these magic apples with the ability to create highly advanced life in one shot? Fairy would be the.

Cristina: So is Jesus the closest thing to a fairy that we have. If he ate one of the apples. S***.

Jack: S***. Not only. Oh, f***. I think you cracked something right now. Not only did he not need the apple, but maybe Jesus was the first attempt at this and that's why Mary didn't have a f******. Like Jesus didn't have a father. Jesus was the first attempt at this and it f***** up the first fairy. The first Earth Realm fairy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He was thus explaining the abilities he just had without the technology.

Cristina: Except when people are having visions of him, they still freaked out.

Jack: Yes. Problem.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it wasn't. He didn't see still. Or maybe he did. I don't f****** know. Maybe dying still. Jesus might have. No, he needed the gates. So it was a failed experiment. But that it was still a lot going on there.

Cristina: Yeah. And if they're ever going to try again, it's not going to be anytime soon after Jesus. Because they saw.

Jack: They saw way more perfect. And also they're probably not going to do it in Atlantis anymore the way they did when they were in the Persian Gulf oasis.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They're probably gonna do it on Mount Athos. And that's why nobody's allowed to the top of Athos. Not only is magic prohibited there, but there's a plethora of people stopping others from getting to the top. So though there might just be a lab on top of Athos as well. Is everything else where they would be literally Run. They come through the gate. They show up on top of Athos. Run the experiment. No magical creature can follow that gate, and nobody can get up there without permission. And only one person is allowed up there. And they know that the sea people will wreck s*** if they violate that rule. It's down packed.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Jesus was the first, and it was a failed experiment, but still absolutely overpowered.

Cristina: Ridiculously.

Jack: Ridiculously.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: And then allowed Jesus. So maybe even without the fruit, communicate with creatures in the shadow realm. So Jesus was always hearing some s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But also, what is a feature of fairies? They can cross realms. So if they can cross the realms, they can presumably move through the realms within the realms very easily. That explains people seeing Jesus in many different places at random times. Very closely related. He can just move around a realm even if he can't easily teleport to another realm.

Cristina: But can he go into the fairy realm?

Jack: But can he go into the fairy realm? Well, no. He still needed gates to come back from the shadow realm. So moving through realms, which was your primary goal, still failed.

Cristina: Okay. He's got some fairy elements, but not all of them. Not all of them. Okay. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. And we don't have any news of fairies until I go through all these other cultures. Even Zoroastrianism has fairies, but the sea people in particular have no mention of fairies, particularly the elves, which suggests maybe they perhaps did already capture the fairies and that's how they managed to create Jesus in the first place.

Cristina: That worked out so quickly because it popped up. The fairies popped up here 100 years before Jesus. That's how fast the.

Jack: Easy, quick. Overpowered.

Cristina: That makes sense. That definitely makes sense, because they're already overpowered.

Jack: Another detail here would be that the elves were only sent because the sea people were getting too strong.

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: They were the reason that Mabs sent the elves. And so, okay. We didn't manage to stop the sea people, but we kept everybody else in check.

Cristina: What? Yes. Crazy.

Jack: The moment the fairies showed up, they caught him. So ma' am got paranoid. I didn't. I forgot about that detail. They showed up a hundred years before Christ.

Cristina: Yes. That's fast.

Jack: That's fast. They instantaneously caught them.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They knew of other fairies. Fairies have always been around, but the elves had no reason to interact with. And the second. The second they showed up, sea people got a hold of them. They're like, no way. We're stronger. So they were already stronger than the fairies. So they are stronger than the elves that are stronger than most advanced civilizations. Mabs Miscalculated. And that whole fleet of however many caught, including the serpent.

Cristina: That's very big.

Jack: No, not the big serpent.

Cristina: No, that's big. Like for her.

Jack: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: It's crazy.

Jack: The sea people are.

Cristina: They're overpowered.

Jack: They're overpowered. We knew they were powerful. We had no sense of safety.

Cristina: Even to the fairies are overpowered.

Jack: Even to the fairies are overpowered and.

Cristina: Don'T understand how that's possible. I mean, I do, but still it's really strange.

Jack: It's a whole other mess.

Cristina: But we still haven't figured out. I mean, they're still really ridiculous. Oh, man.

Jack: So Jesus is half human or whatever. I don't actually know how sea people are human. There's no way to know that one. But there. He's half sea person.

Cristina: Sea person? Yeah.

Jack: And half magic, which suggests he's half sea person, half fairy. And the halfness is up. His ability to move seamlessly through. And that's the only thing keeping the fairies in Elfame safe. Because he managed to capture the elves and they managed to capture the serpent.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they managed to capture the unicorns. They meant. Okay, magic is not a problem for the sea people. Basically that s*** is just some other bottom ground s***.

Cristina: But they're still worried about something.

Jack: They just wanted to do this in secrecy. That's all it was. They needed to do this. And they don't want people to have visions and perhaps see the tech. Have visions and know what's happening. Have visions and advance themselves based on the visions. Have visions and get there and steal the tech.

Cristina: So don't think they fear the shadow creatures at all. Think that's no problem at this point.

Jack: Unless. No, because. No, because the elves are stronger than whatever's in the shadow realm.

Cristina: And these gods, though, or these. What we would call gods that are not elves.

Jack: Advanced civilizations.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Like they're probably not worried about those either.

Jack: They might be. I don't know. Because the. The. Presumably the creatures in the shadow realm are also aiming to enter Alphane. Everything wants the power of Elfhame, which is the highest grade of power. It's a power struggle.

Cristina: Yes. That the sea people are obviously winning in by miles.

Jack: Everybody else is being kept in check by the elves. The sea people are keeping the elves in check. That's where we stand.

Cristina: Okay. Whoa. How's that possible? But it makes sense. It makes sense. Jesus makes sense now.

Jack: Jesus makes absolute sense. We know what Jesus is. We know why Mount Athos doesn't allow magic. We know that making Mount Kaath disappear is just hindering more creatures from figuring s*** out. We know that hiding away from the Oasis and going into Atlantis is just a way to make reaching them more complicated. Go to the furthest down bottom part of the ocean and they're gonna struggle. So there's no way to get to you. You're too far down. There's no tech that can get to you. Only you have the tech to do it. And then you could work on the apples, Adam and Eve. And you had one person get crooked. You your risk. Get rid of Lilith.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Jehovah and the serpent remain amongst whoever else is there. That might be some background helping hand. But the serpent is very important because they're there. The serpent had maybe one of two options. You can assist or die. Or f****** die. Be an experiment like the rest of them. Yes, but one directive to assist. Maybe it wasn't even a threat. Maybe the serpent's job is just to assist.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And there's not even a question. Maybe it's like, yeah, whatever, I'm here for that.

Cristina: Oh, yes. Like, they don't have to threaten him.

Jack: They don't have to threaten him. The elves had to be threatened. Captured, subdued. Dude tested on the serpent is probably one of the ones testing on them.

Cristina: And also being tested on like.

Jack: I mean, the serpent's probably down. Yeah, like, whatever.

Cristina: Yeah, sure. The job.

Jack: Yeah, my job is to help. However.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's all I got.

Cristina: That's crazy. That's crazy. The answer is a lot.

Jack: The answer is a lot. We're getting. We're getting somewhere. And now we know about fame.

Cristina: Whoa. What? Like, what could. How. Where could we go from here? It feels like so much has been solved.

Jack: Yeah. I think everything of earthrealm has been solved. I think everything of earthrealm has been solved. Now there's probably random, obscure, useless questions that are left.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But now to find what details of Elfamer missed out and if the Shadow Realm is really involved in the same quest, which I do believe might be the case.

Cristina: I think so. I think they are. But yes. Let's find out.

Jack: Anyways. If you guys are enjoying what is being found here and you have any input, if you're making connections that we're not. Tell us, tell us. Send us messages. You can reach us on all the socials. Just convopod on TikTok, Facebook, Facebook, Instagram.

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Jack: Yes. And tell everybody we're figuring out the thing that's probably gonna get us murdered, but nobody wanted us to know specifically. The sea people were, like, busting that. That case wide open. They're gonna come for us eventually if we suddenly just stop making episodes. You know, this is se people. They got to us.

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Rambling 122: Leprechauns and Other Fairies

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What creatures remained in Ireland after St. Patrick was done with it? And why did they stick around? Dissecting the concept of fairies on this episode!

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The Duo dive into leprechauns and fairies in general in order to understand the true complex nature of what the aftermath of the St. Patrick Massacre was. A desolate, monster infested wasteland is the least of the problem for the people of Ireland. It gets worse when spirits are introduced!

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  • Banshee
  • Succubus
  • Jeepers Creepers

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