Rambling 247: The Naga Part 2
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What are the finer details of the Naga? Who are their families? Who are their enemies? The duo continue unpacking the Naga and their existence. This time around the revelations completely reshape what is known about the Naga, their relationship to others and what is known about Magic and Elfame in conclusion.
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Topics Discussed:
- Naga Tools
- Family
- Death Rituals
- Surpa Satra
- Partner Assignment
- Elfame, Earth and Shadow
- The Funen Dynasty
- The Naga Experiment
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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I'm your host, Jack.
Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.
Jack: And today's ideas are even more absurd and more baffling. They get more absurd and more baffling every week.
Cristina: How?
Jack: I mean, you've been here the entire time.
Cristina: There should be a limit, though.
Jack: Oh, I don't know. Oh, you meant like, how does it keep happening? Not literally like, oh, how did it happen? But like, oh, how is this still happening?
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: Because the universe is crazy, man. But our jobs are to report on the craziness, to investigate and report on the insanity. To uncover the truth. The most wokest of truths. The most wokest.
Cristina: The wokest.
Jack: The wokest.
Cristina: What does the wokest have to do with it?
Jack: Eyes open. Not letting the deception. Not being asleep. Sheeple.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Not being. Not letting the lies we've been told be the narrations of our lives. Being woke is all about. Anyways, last week we were talking about the. We were just, you know, because we've gone through everything happening in history relative to, I guess, what's the focal point at this. At this moment? I guess. No, it used to be, but I guess the goal as. As of now, it's become learning about Elfame and anybody related to it. The sea people just happen to be the most successful at it. But the point now seems to be before it was learning about the sea people. That objective has slowly shifted as it seems that everybody, including the sea people, have the same goal, more or less. So the sea people weren't just a special one. Weren't special ones. They were just the best at it. But the real point here is. Is really coming down to learning about.
Cristina: Elfame, because there's nothing on it.
Jack: There's nothing on it. And in our attempts to come across more information on the Elfame, we're looking into one of the fairies we know the most about.
Cristina: The Nagas.
Jack: The Nagas, because they seem to be everywhere. They seem to be in any civilization that developed sufficiently advanced technology and they themselves were sufficiently intelligent, seems to have contained a Naga. So last week, we went on a deep dive looking at nothing but Naga, looking at as many Naga as we could before the timer ran out. And then the timer ran out and we were still talking about Naga. Yeah, you know, we try to keep it under an hour, but we failed quite Frequently lately, because there's a lot of information. So we do our best.
Cristina: So we're gonna do more Naga.
Jack: We're gonna do more Naga. Today we're gonna do more Naga. But oh my God, the things I have found. Doing more Naga. So today we're gonna go slowly through this.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: The very first thing is gonna be really problematic and ruin everything here. Ruins everything we've thought we knew.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: All of the above. I focus entirely. We're no longer looking at random Naga. These are all Naga. And we're gonna be discussing. But we're no longer just looking at random Naga. Because looking through all the possible dots, there's so many. There's hundreds. But I happen to find some instances that might give us insight and perhaps even ruin to some degree a lot of the preconceptions we had. They give us a look into what we've been looking for.
Cristina: Really?
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Okay, I have a question before you go through this because I don't know, is there any current day Nagas? Is that a thing?
Jack: It seems that beyond a certain point everything sort of stops. I also don't know the source of that. Closest most recent day events we have are people either working to make philosopher's stones which take the form of tragedies or events that focus on individual creatures from different realms, or whatever was happening, I suppose with Antonio Draco, who is in the 1700s, mid-1700s, coming in contact with some pretty shady materials.
Cristina: Okay. Is that the most recent? No, the golem is more recent.
Jack: The golem is. I mean, no, because I guess the beginning of the golem was before Antonio Draco and the end of the golem was after Antonio Draco. It's quite, quite a hefty period going on there.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: But yeah, so there's very few isolated situations. You know, it gets harder and harder to track these things as time goes, becomes more recent.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Because they're better and better at hiding away, which creates a bit of a problem. We know most of the highly advanced civilizations vanished somewhere. Something happened. We have the idea for some of them, but not all of them. You know, some of them just dip out.
Cristina: Which space might be the answer? I don't know.
Jack: For some of them specifically. At least we know for the sun gods. For the rest of them, I'm not entirely sure. Except the Earth gods, which also they themselves seem to maybe have gone underground to manage data storage facilities.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And the sea people might still be just under the ocean. So there's scenarios we can't prove any of the above Anyways, as we continue looking through these Naga, a couple of different things are gonna happen and you will see as we go through them. So, like last time, I'm gonna give you the name of the Naga and tell you some details about them, but there's no way to dodge it. Getting weird instantaneously.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: This is The Naga Part 2. The first Naga is called Kaundinya. Kaundinya. Well, let me go back. This is not a Naga. It's important to establish that this is not a Naga, because. Well, the idea here is that this person might be one of the people most tied to Naga.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And you'll understand as I go forward. So Claudinia was just a warrior of sorts. Get ready for this very first sentence. He was told to locate a magic bow which could kill a Naga.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: That's instantaneously problematic. That means somebody in the Earth Realm has the ability to reach something presumably made from magic. They refer to it as a magic bone.
Cristina: Does it say who sent him to do that?
Jack: No, that's something for the future idea is.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Conversations for the future. As of now, we know a magic bow exists. Important because you can make. You can factually make items out of magic.
Cristina: Yeah, that's what we were thinking. The. The Catholic Church is hiding those things.
Jack: Yes, an alicorn.
Cristina: An alicorn is another.
Jack: You can make things out of alicorn that are magic.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Fact. Was the tip of the arrows on this bow magic, or was the bow itself magic? Was it made out of alicorn? Who knows? He was set to kill the Naga princess, daughter of Shesha, the Naga King of Earth. The Naga give birth in is the most important part we can take from here. This is the daughter of another Naga. They're not all just made by Oros.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Do you see? Immediately feeding us information we did not consider. We think Oros makes Senagas and then they go and chill in a civilization. Oros made some Naga and the Naga bred with the exclusive purpose of we are to serve.
Cristina: Yeah. And then he has those. The kings, I guess, that are supposed to tell them where to go. Is that how it works?
Jack: And this is one of them. This is the daughter of one of them. So the daughter of Shisha, the Naga King of Earth. So Countinga was to kill that girl with a magic bow upon a great battle with the princess. Chaldinia falls in love with her.
Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Did they say anything about location?
Jack: No, but we know this is taking place in Earthrealm. So Caldina must have been sent to be with somebody.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And so Caldina proceeds to hide the bow from the hands of any mortal. That bow is on Earth. We gotta track that bow. Okay, that's objective number one. So this goes right. This feeds right into what we were thinking about the Naga. Like the fact that you have a king means there's so many of you that. Orders required.
Cristina: Yeah, that's what we talked about last time.
Jack: Yes, and now we have proof of.
Cristina: They can give birth.
Jack: Birth? They're breeding. Yeah, well, they're multiplying on their own. There's a civilization. So the Naga became their own people in elf fame. But like all fairies, they can just traverse the realms effortlessly. They can come in and out, no problem. And that allowed? I guess. Not allowed. Chances are the princess was sent to be under somebody, which is also something we need to look into.
Cristina: Who?
Jack: Yeah, who she was assigned to. And why isn't your daughter safe from the rules if you are the king? I guess it's an iron a** fist that Oros is ruling with. Next, we introduce our first Naga, Soma. Soma is the Naga Princess of Earthrealm. The daughter who was sent to be killed.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Daughter of the Naga king, Shesha. And was said to be assassinated by a man named Kaudinya. After failure to kill her, they fall in love. And together on Earthrealm, they build a dynasty named Funan.
Cristina: What?
Jack: They lived at the capital of their dynasty, which was named Viandhapura. A real location that we can easily find.
Cristina: These are real locations?
Jack: Yeah, found in a simple Google search. And it's an old city that used to exist.
Cristina: Where is it at?
Jack: Middle East. Okay, fascinating. So this Naga princess and this human fall in love and together they escape their situation and establish a dynasty. Fascinating. So I was trying. I was curious as to. What the f***? Why is the word dynasty? This is two people making a life. What do you mean dynasty? Yeah, so it was showing up anywhere. I tried to confirm this. So. Okay, time to type in these freaking words. Funan. And like, let me zone in on the dynasty itself. How much detail can I find about the dynasty? The Funan Dynasty, created by human Caudinia and Naga Princess Soma. With the capital being Vyantaputa. The dynasty became a safe haven for Naga defectors who left Elfame in an attempt to achieve independence.
Cristina: Is this for real? What?
Jack: Okay, what a Earthrealm city that would protect Naga from Elfhame?
Cristina: Man, if people don't even want to be there, then maybe that's not the goal. I don't know what the goal is. I thought it was to enter Elfhame, but maybe something else.
Jack: I don't think Elfhame is a problem. I think the Naga were born as slaves.
Cristina: But why would we want to explore that place?
Jack: No, because the only people born as slaves are the Naga. Everyone else is free there. It's the Naga who are trying to escape.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: The fairies go back whenever the h*** they would. The rest of the fairies, they go back whenever the h*** they want.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: The Naga are told, no, you are to do as you are told. They were created as slaves, okay? They are a slave race. The elves aren't over here like, oh, no, no. They're like, I'm a white elf. I'm an elite, pristine, full of myself, top of the line elf. The Naga servants, okay, you know, so they're like, f*** this s***. We deserve independence. And so the Funan Dynasty is a city that was inhabited by Naga and humans alike, living in harmony.
Cristina: That's awesome.
Jack: Snake people and humans just hanging out, living in this place together. Perfectly fine. The Naga can give birth. The Naga require leadership from how many of them there are?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: The Naga collectively are a powerhouse. We know they're overpowered, hyper intelligent, have crazy abilities within themselves, on top of the fact that they are destined to go help the most advanced civilizations. And even then the Naga, who have the ability to cross realms effortlessly, are treated like slaves. Are treated like slaves. And they want freedom. They want to defect and be free.
Cristina: That makes sense. Okay. Makes sense why that random dude was like, I'm not gonna do this. I'm gonna pretend to be king or whatever.
Jack: Mm. He was a defector. He was just one. Like, f*** this. I don't give a s*** about the rules.
Cristina: So there's more than just one.
Jack: There's more than just one. There's a city worth of them. A safe haven for them. Okay, then we have Manasa. Manasa is sister of the two Naga, Vasuki and Shesha. Shisha of the Earth Realm and Vasuki of the Shadow Realm.
Cristina: What does that make her?
Jack: That just makes her the sister of this house. She was married to a human, Sage, Jarat Kura, with which she had a hybrid son.
Cristina: No, she didn't.
Jack: What, named Astika?
Cristina: No. This is weird.
Jack: Okay, so the logic here would be that the Naga, as we know, they tend to have a humanoid sort of form. This suggests that maybe they're not. They don't have a humanoid form. They're shapeshifters, particularly. They're shapeshifters and the form they shapeshift into is the human form. Which suggests those that do it best might be able to replicate even reproductive organs. Boom.
Cristina: It's still so weird. It's so weird.
Jack: Except there's no if in this case, there would be no difference between a human and the Naga. If the replication so perfect.
Cristina: Whoa.
Jack: Fascinating, no? Yeah, it just completely blows out of the water anything and everything we thought we knew.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: So Manasa marries the wise man. The wise man Jarat Karu, with which he has a hybrid son named Astika. There is a half Naga, half human that exists now.
Cristina: Are there stories about him?
Jack: Yes. So again, this suggests the ability that Naga can breed. Presumably when a Naga takes a human form, it can replicate the physiology to such a degree that pregnancy becomes possible.
Cristina: Whoa.
Jack: That's astounding. That's some unheard of level of replication. I don't think we've heard of a single other shapeshifter. Many of which are earthling shapeshift shapeshifters. I don't think we've heard of a single one that has successfully been able to replicate reproductive organs. This is a precision that is so absurd it could only exist with somebody from Alpha.
Cristina: It doesn't make sense. It doesn't even make sense. I mean, it makes sense that they can do it because they're shapeshifters, but like, they're not anything like us.
Jack: No, they're not even physical in the way we would be.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So they happen to have the ability to solidify into such a form. In any case, the. It's possible that Naga imitate the form of an elf most accurately and then place human organs on top of that to create the most seamless human possible. So now we enter weird territory where. Holy crap. This individual had a half Naga, half human son.
Cristina: What does it mean?
Jack: So we gotta go and look at the sun.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Astika, the half human, half Naga, son of Manasa and sister of Vasuki. Manasa, the sister of Vasuki. Now it's gonna get weird.
Cristina: Really?
Jack: Yeah, it's already weird. Like there's nothing about this that isn't completely f****** strange. Yes, but it's about to get weirder. So Astika, the half human, half Naga, is known particularly for having saved many Naga from the Supra Satra. The Supa Satra translates directly into the serpent sacrifices.
Cristina: Who's sacrificing these things? What? What is happening?
Jack: Oh, yes. Oh, man. I uncovered such rocks that had so much underneath.
Cristina: Is it the Shadow People? Are there humans sacrificing Naga? How is this even possible?
Jack: So the Supersatra is ritualized mass genocide done in front of a fire. It was performed by Emperor Janama Ja Na Me Jaya. Janama Jaya. By Emperor Janamajaya when his father was killed at the hands of a Naga.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: So wait for it. Wait for it. Because what you were thinking before is going to come right back to that. He was doing it out of revenge to get rid of the Naga. But the ritual is named A ritual because it was created by his great grandfather. So the ritual was originally designed by Gentleman Jaya's great grandfather Arjuna. And although it was performed to avenge his father's death after being killed at the hands of Anaga, the original purpose of the ritual, and this is a quote, was to collect and unite the power of the Naga for personal use.
Cristina: The blood or the fear of the Naga. They're like doing the.
Jack: It's a philosopher's stone.
Cristina: I was thinking adrenochrome, but okay. The Philosopher's stone.
Jack: It's a philosopher's stone. You're killing a s*** ton of Naga for personal use. Not consumption. Personal use they talked about.
Cristina: Exactly.
Jack: Collect and unite the power of the Naga for personal use.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Somebody got a hold of the instructions on how to create a philosopher's stone and concluded that doing it with the Naga was the most optimal road to it. Which now. Sorry, it makes absolute sense. And now it answers.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So many f****** questions as to why a bunch of other n***** want to get over there. Make. No, not even wanting to get over there while they were trying to make their f****** own.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: They were trying to make their Naga so they could kill their own Naga so they could have an overpowered philosopher's stone uncomparable to anything else.
Cristina: Yes. But if they want to get to original s***. Yes. Like maybe that's the goal of entering. What's the place called?
Jack: Elfhame.
Cristina: Elfame. I was thinking it was Mel for some reason. But that's not Mel. Elfhame is just to get the Naga. There's a giant collection of Naga there.
Jack: There's a giant collection of Naga there.
Cristina: They're hoarding all the Nagas besides the ones that are here. But the ones here are so spread out.
Jack: Yes. And there's few and far as far in between.
Cristina: But if we can just go over there.
Jack: Was it all righty. Next to each other. They're just all there.
Cristina: And they're powerful magical beings that can die.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: That's crazy.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Then the fairy trees might not be Fairies.
Jack: The fairy trees might be Naga.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Fascinating. Failed experiments.
Cristina: Because we don't know if fairies can even die. Unless we were just assuming maybe they could.
Jack: But Yaldabaoth is still somewhere out there. And the argument would be he quite possibly possessed a philosopher's stone made from shadow people. From Jinn. He had a Jinn philosophy. As far as we know now, there is a ritual designed to create an Elfhame philosopher's stone. We know factually of the one to make an earthrealm philosopher's stone. And we know of one to make Shadow Realm philosopher's stones. You can make a philosopher's stone out of anything that could die.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And if Yaldabaoth sacrificed a bunch of Djinn to make a Philosopher's Stone from the Shadow Realm, he could have easily used that to execute Naga.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Thus creating the Forest of Shadow. Thus creating Earthrealm by default.
Cristina: Yes. Lovely.
Jack: Lovely.
Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. I think we're onto something. Oh, I guess.
Jack: Questions being answered. Gets weird, right?
Cristina: That is very weird.
Jack: What?
Cristina: They're sacrificing Nagas. Okay. That. Really?
Jack: An entire ritual designed just to create a philosopher stone made of Naga again. It could just be. To have enough power to overpower Mab.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: That could ultimately be the goal. We don't know. No, but we know that somebody concluded I can sacrifice a bunch of Naga and make a philosopher's stone.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And that's absurd.
Cristina: That's so crazy.
Jack: So far, everything in here is f****** nuts. I had no idea they could reproduce. I didn't even cross my mind. But we knew that they had a kingdom.
Cristina: Does he have the power to transform or is he more human?
Jack: Who is he?
Cristina: The half breed?
Jack: Astika? Yeah. He can morph back and forward, just like the Naga. He can go back and forward, but he sustains a human form primarily. Okay, so he's. You can't even tell he's a Naga.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Sort of the opposite of the Naga, almost. Where they spend most of their time in their Naga form and some of the time in their human form. He spends most of the time in his human form and occasionally in his Naga form. Okay, so that's the big physical shift between those two. But the Surpassatra, right up there with the Magnum Opus.
Cristina: Crazy, too. Yeah.
Jack: I mean, ultimately, they mean the same thing. Surpassatra and Magnum Opus are just discussing how to create a philosopher's Stone. And this was again now. Although Gentleman Jaya was doing it out of revenge and mainly to get rid of the Naga. His grandfather knows something. Arjuna. Arjuna. Knows something. And Arjuna is worth looking at.
Cristina: Oh, you didn't look at him?
Jack: No, no, because Arjuna is quite interesting. The fact that he had this.
Cristina: Yes. Like how did he come up with that?
Jack: How do you figure this out? How. How do you find out about the magnum opus?
Cristina: What exactly is he doing? Yeah, we gotta make sure it is a philosopher's stone too. Because what if it turns out to be Something else?
Jack: Yeah, 100%. It could 100% be a different goal. Maybe it is.
Cristina: We gotta investigate.
Jack: Maybe it is something else entirely.
Cristina: So it gets weirder.
Jack: This is. This one's gonna f*** everything up. How so? A long time ago, according to the tales, an experiment was designed which required the death of a volunteer. And the body would then be pumped with ichor. It would be. It would then by itself turn to a stone like substance and there would be an incubation period and the large shell like structure would then form around the body. Zeus, Apollo. Hades, the shadow person, Keto, the Naga and Ashelypius, which is just another one of the Greeks, decided they couldn't use just anyone for this experiment. This is an experiment performed by the Greek. Hades and Keto as a shadow person and a Naga, were naturally excluded from the mix for not being biological.
Cristina: Hades?
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: What is he?
Jack: A shadow person? He's a jinn.
Cristina: I thought you said he wasn't last time. He is.
Jack: Hades is a jinn? Yeah.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: But the Naga isn't his, if that's what you were referring to.
Cristina: Come on. Okay, whatever.
Jack: But yeah, Hades and Keto are excluded. The shadow, the jinn and the Naga are excluded because they're not biological. And you need a biological person to run science experiments on. Zeus obviously couldn't as he would need to be. As he would need to supervise the experiment himself.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: You know, he's the leader of the Greek collective of researchers, which leaves only Apollo and Asclepius. So Apollo expresses fears about this experiment being the coward he is. So Asclepius volunteered. And first they began by asphyxiating Asclepius. Then they pumped his body with ichor and they watched him essentially turn to stone. And then a shell formed over his body. When the shell broke open like an egg, the Naga glycon came out.
Cristina: What is that?
Jack: The Naga who was with the Greek. And we didn't know who the f*** he was hanging out with.
Cristina: He came out of when we were.
Jack: Trying to find out who the f*** this extra Naga was, but he didn't seem to be attached to anybody.
Cristina: He was Born out of him.
Jack: He wasn't born out of him. This is just f****** Asclepius he was turned into. They successfully turned a dude into a Naga, bro.
Cristina: What?
Jack: They turned Asclepius into Glykon with. With ichor, which is just adrenochrome.
Cristina: I'm so confused.
Jack: What my question is, are the Greek somehow more successful here?
Cristina: And what does that mean?
Jack: Because they turned a biological individual into a Naga.
Cristina: Yes. But ichir's just blood, Right?
Jack: Ichir's just blood. But we know one, adrenochrome is overpowered.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Two, if you drink adrenochrome, it goes through your body, and then you drink the body of somebody who had adrenochrome. You have distilled adrenochrome, which is hundreds of thousands of times more powerful.
Cristina: But I thought you were turning into, like a shadow creature. But it seems like they killed him first.
Jack: They figured something out. Yeah, they Albert Weskered this guy.
Cristina: But, like, that's how closely we're related to both the fairies and the shadow realm that we can turn into either.
Jack: There's some science going on here that makes absolute sense. And we're not grasping it, but there's some science here that makes sense. If every. Everything is connected somehow.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And we know adrenochrome can fling you over. And we know that the apples can fling you over. There's something going on. We know there's a tea you can make from a flower that just flings you over to the shadow room. All these things that could send you.
Cristina: We're related so closely to all of it.
Jack: Yes. So there's some science that's possible with science purely. That could allow. We know it allows access. Basic science is minimalist. People don't even know. They stumble upon it. Wolves just drink the blood in a battlefield because they're starving. Just starving.
Cristina: Wolves turning into monsters, and then they.
Jack: Turn into monsters, and then they die naturally and go to the Shadow Realm anyways. Just crossing over by default without even knowing accidents. So with thought, with precise numbers and thought, they made something which is either. It's unclear because there's so little on Glykon, but he's either pure magic of some sort or the closest we have seen thus far.
Cristina: Can he travel to the fairy world?
Jack: I don't know. That's the next f****** thing. There's so little on him. I have to look at every possible story, even relative to him, from every possible culture, every record of anything that has ever existed. There's so little on this guy. It looks like while the sea people went on an extremely absurd effort to suppress themselves, the Greek just decided to bury the project itself. They went crazy out of their way to make Glykon unheard of.
Cristina: But then what? What did they do after? Did they make their arm? Because it wasn't his goal to have many of them. Actually, I don't know what his real goal was.
Jack: No, I think it was just his direction to Kido was to be able to replicate Naga. So my assumption is this is an experiment designed by Keto. Although it's unclear and that hasn't been established. Yeah, I believe this is an experiment that Keto designed. Just like creating the the croagons of Medusa and Uriel. And then I have so many questions.
Cristina: Like what happened after that?
Jack: They succeeded and then they succeeded in making Lykon.
Jack: Well, we just know that there was a Naga Glykon hanging out with the Greek.
Cristina: But it didn't feel like that was his goal though. Unless that was his goal. But I feel like he wanted to do more.
Jack: I am sure more happened. Yeah, but we haven't figured that out yet. I'm positive more happened. It would be weird if like. Okay, yeah, we did it. Cool. High five, guys. Anyways, back to the drawing board. It's like. No, I doubt that's the case. I am positive that there is an ultimate goal and purpose to what's happening. We just don't know what that is yet. That was going to require obviously more investigation.
Cristina: Crazy, but okay.
Jack: Not only were they also trying to create Naga of their own with the Grogons, like Medusa and her sisters. And the same way Yaldabaoth was trying to do to make his own by creating Ophiomorphos. But it looks like even Yaldabaoth couldn't figure it out. But then again, then again, he got close. Right? Ophiomorphos could make other Naga. Yes, but they couldn't leave the Shadow Realm.
Cristina: No. That's why I want to know more about Zeus's one that seemed like, yeah, he might be a Naga, but is he also not that powerful? Like he can't actually.
Jack: Interesting. Based on how he was hanging out with the Greek gods. He was one of them. So he was bare minimum himself as a Naga. Yeah, he didn't lose anything. At least we know that much. Whether he gained something or not, I don't know. But the process of consuming ichor that came out of the blood of an already established God, you. You consumed something kind of exaggerated.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: So we're Talking that this dude is likely quite a couple of magnitudes more powerful than Zeus. His capacity, his ability. If he is in fact a Naga. Zeus is just a guy with science on his side. But this Naga is magic. He made something, but you know, it could fail and it could die. So it's not safe for Zeus to be the one in the seat the first time. But if that's the case, maybe the Greeks went on an excursion to turn themselves into fairies. That's interesting. No.
Cristina: Yes. Yes. I want to know more about him, more about Glycon.
Jack: No, there's so little on him that looking into the common stories and essentially scriptures written on this guy, there's nothing. What I told you is all there is.
Cristina: That's sad. It's crazy. Yeah, man. I doubt he can go to the fairy realm or there'd be more than just him. Or something killed him. But we don't have any of that. So it doesn't matter.
Jack: Exactly. We don't have any of that. If he died, we don't know if he can successfully travel to the other side. We don't know. And there's not more of him, which cast doubt on it. Alternatively, if he's the first one and Naga have the ability to take human forms and this type of Naga straight up came from a human, maybe they can sustain human forms. And some of these people we're looking at are Naga and we just don't know it.
Cristina: Which people?
Jack: Some of the Greek. Oh, maybe some of the Greek are just Naga and we don't know it. If they can sustain. Again, we established that some Naga who are pure Naga can create a human replicant to such a degree that pregnancy becomes possible.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: If you began as a human, you have a head start.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: You see? So it could be to such a degree that maybe we're just not noticing that they are. And maybe there are many of them.
Cristina: Yeah. Whoa. That's crazy. If only there was more info. Ah. Sucks.
Jack: It's complicated, right?
Cristina: Yeah. That doesn't even make sense.
Jack: It doesn't. It absolutely doesn't. I don't understand, because now we have quite a strange issue going on in which. Let's go back up. We have a item made of magic, a bow, that could presumably kill a Naga. So creating, crafting, building items, weapons, tools, using magic is possible.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: We had an idea with Alicorn, but now we know of something literal made, not just a theory. Although Antonio couldn't figure it out. Before him, people had.
Jack: We have the situation of the same guy who has the magic bow one hiding it on Earth. It's somewhere on Earth. There's a freaking magic bow somewhere on Earth. But falling in love and mating with the Naga.
Cristina: Soma, does he still have the bow? Does the church have the bow? Who has the bow?
Jack: Well, yes, for the bow. But now the Naga can reproduce too. Not only can the Naga reproduce, which establishes the entire kingdom of the Naga. And the fact that they have hierarchy.
Cristina: Yeah, they can reproduce with humans.
Jack: They can reproduce with humans. They can create such a close replica of a human that allows them to have children with a human.
Cristina: But also with these babies. We don't know if they can get into the fairy realm.
Jack: Yes, exactly, exactly, exactly, exactly. We don't know if Astika can actually cross into the. Into Elfame. We have no idea. We don't know if his powers are suddenly limited or if they're not limited. And he's just a full out capable of going into Elfame and the Shadow Realm Naga. And can he do it at will? Is it something he could just choose like the rest of the fairies?
Cristina: Yeah. Can he? Can the Greek ones do it? I don't know. I want to know.
Jack: Not only that, not only are there weapons that could be crafted using magic that could harm magic creatures. Hence proving the point that a philosopher's stone could accomplish this to many magnitudes over a regular tool. And not only could the Naga reproduce among themselves, and not only could the Naga reproduce with other creatures, presumably even Shadow Realm creatures. There must be an equivalent over there. We just have less stories from that end. But if you can just take a form. There are Naga in the Shadow Realm assigned to Jinn. It is absolutely likely that there are Jinn who have mated with Naga.
Cristina: Yes. Yeah.
Jack: So there are half Naga, half Djinn somewhere. Because the Naga are magic. They can just take the form of this non physical Djinn and reproduce in whatever method they reproduce. Not only all those things, but then here on Earthrealm we have the bow and a civilization of defectors. Naga who said f*** the kingdom, f*** the rules. We're gonna go live an independent life away from that.
Cristina: How haven't they been turned into philosopher stones yet? Unless that's what happened to them. Because we don't know.
Jack: We don't know.
Cristina: We don't know yet.
Jack: D***. I wouldn't put it past if a bunch of them just decided to come.
Cristina: Over and we know the physical location where it is. I know that I doubt there's anything there now. Or there's probably just humans there now.
Jack: Humans. Naga must be Gone.
Cristina: Then again, those humans could be Nagas. Like, who knows?
Jack: Who knows? Who knows? That creates an interesting problem. Yeah, no, you're totally right. But if humans became aware of a location filled with the Naga, and you were already trying to make a Philosopher's Stone, there was a place with dozens, hundreds, thousands, who knows of Naga, of Naga. You can go and. But how would you kill them is the problem. There's still magic. You could only do it if you have the means. And chances are the only means are a Philosopher's Stone. So you need a weaker Philosopher's stone to create a more powerful Philosopher's Stone.
Cristina: I mean, all the Sea People have it. Maybe.
Jack: I mean, all Yalda must. Yeah, there are a couple of Philosopher Stones out there, but I don't think they'll be strong enough to kill thousands to potentially millions of Naga.
Cristina: How many lives were taken to make Eve?
Jack: To make eve? It was 50 million.
Cristina: That's a lot of lives.
Jack: That's a lot of lives.
Cristina: But then how much. How old is the Sea People? I mean, not the Sea People. The Naga's making that town. Dynasty.
Jack: The dynasty happened.
Cristina: What period?
Jack: The early. It was like nine hundreds.
Cristina: Okay, that's after. What if Jesus. Do you think he has his own stone?
Jack: Okay, my timing's wrong. It's about the year 50. It's still pretty fresh after Jesus, where this was formed. So kind of it seems that weirdly enough, around the same time period, everything hits the fan. Jesus happens and s*** hits the fan in every possible shape and form from every direction known to Matt.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Including Elfame. Jesus happened and even s*** hit the fan in Elfame. A bunch of m************ like, nah, we're out. Naga falling in love with human around the 50s, leaving Jesus dying in year one.
Cristina: You think they saw Jesus?
Jack: The establishment of Catholicism in the year 100.
Cristina: It's crazy. But do you think they saw Jesus?
Jack: I don't know. I don't know. Maybe. Maybe. Holy s***. You think they saw Jesus and that incentivized them to leave?
Cristina: I don't know. Do we know if the Shadow Realm saw him? I feel like they did. I think they tried to contact him as well.
Jack: Yeah, I think so. I think we read a couple of things about the Shadow Realm people directly having visions of Jesus as well.
Cristina: Okay, that's crazy. What is he.
Jack: Okay, we got a couple of weird things, man. We got individuals from the Shadow Realm that can see Jesus. We have artificial beings, ophiomorphos. We have Medusa and her sisters. We have a non artificial Being being altered into the form of a non artificial being. But in return himself being sort of an artificial replicant of that which is a glycon. Which used to be just a dude.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And then became a freaking Naga with science. Science.
Cristina: I don't know if you can travel.
Jack: We don't know if you can try. We don't know if Jesus can enter the. The fairy realm. We don't know if Joseph can enter the fairy realm.
Cristina: So many questions. I thought we did solve some. I think we answered a few.
Jack: I think we know why they're trying to make Naga of their own.
Cristina: For sacrifices.
Jack: Yeah. It's either. Absolutely. That's what I'm thinking. It has to be either for sacrifices or now as I'm saying it out loud, because the Naga are kind of overpowered already. It could be for their intellectual power. But if you can make up being that intellectual, you would just, you know, you yourself would be able to do the thing. So it's probably for their power. It has to be.
Cristina: I think so.
Jack: It has to be in order to sacrifice them to create a philosopher's stone strong enough.
Cristina: He's always tried to use something more intelligent to sacrifice a bunch of. Like.
Jack: That's how it started off over here. Yeah. What is it? Primitive apes created the philosopher stone Adam. Then the philosopher's stone Adam with the fruit of life create primitive humans. Then primitive humans get sacrificed to create philosopher's stone Eve. Then philosopher's stone Eve. Plus the fruit of knowledge create modern humans. Then modern humans would be sacrificed to make a more. But we don't know of that stone existing. We haven't proven that stone. So those are two stones, Eve and Adam. And then whatever Jesus is. And then we know Yaldabaoth sacrificed Jinn to make a philosopher's stone. And then what he used that for is unclear. Presumably to be able to kill fairies. Thus creating the fairy forest. Not the fairy forest. The forest of shadows with fairy trees. Which. The connection between everything is so absurd. If we just talk about the forest of Shadows in which it exists in the realm of shadow with the bodies of some type of fairy leading to the creation of Earthrealm. Like the level of connection there is nuts. That's all three just happening in one spot.
Cristina: Yes, but we don't know if it's actual fairies because you could all also be Naga, which are a type of fairy.
Jack: Those are fairies too.
Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. But like we don't know if it's. Whatever the actual fairy people.
Jack: Yeah. We don't know what kind of a Fairy. We know fairy. Yeah, Some fairy was used to create fairy trees. It could be Nagas, but it could be Naga. It could be elves. But at this point, the only one that it seems likely we can see that we.
Cristina: They've died. They've been killed.
Jack: Are the Naga. That's where we are with that. And for some cherry on top discussion, there are four individuals in one location to address who I found the name of four different elves that we can look into in the future. For elves, it's hard to tell to find anything on Alfamen has successfully found by every description, they are named elves.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Shiva, Vishnu, Indra, and Brahma.
Cristina: Those all a few gods of the.
Jack: Hindu gods seem to all be. These are the top Hindu gods, not every Hindu God, just specifically these four seem to be elves. Their descriptions go as follow. All of them exist to prevent anyone else from getting too powerful. All of them have the abilities that everyone else has. They all come from a realm described as pure magic.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Now what confused me about this situation when it comes to them, because they're obviously elves by each and every definition, and they exist seemingly in Elfame and then come to Earthrealm. Quick descriptor. Vishnu, particularly seems to be a elf that loves yoga. He's just known for loving yoga and meditation.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: There's little on the other ones, but this one is, you know, enough for that. Where it gets weird is Shiva has the shadow Naga King Vasuki coiled around his neck. Even within Elfame, the kings are also.
Cristina: Doing the same thing.
Jack: Attach to somebody.
Cristina: Whoa.
Jack: So while Shiva interacts his job with humans or earthlings, let's say his. He does his job with earthlings.
Cristina: Wait, so fairies also get Nagas?
Jack: Naga? I don't know what the f*** that means.
Cristina: That is strange.
Jack: Okay, this is a fairy being assisted by another fairy.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Are the Naga more powerful than the elf? I don't know either. This immediately confuses me because you'd think the elves are more powerful because they should, in theory, have the ability to put a cap on the Naga's capacity because they're supposed to help. But if not, then it explains how somebody like the sea people still kind of circumvented that because Oros is somehow more powerful than meb.
Jack: He might be the experiment that could. So Shiva has Naga King Vasuki coiled around his neck. That's a shadow realm Naga Crazy. Vishnu has the Earth realm Naga King Shesha coiled beneath him as a yoga mat.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: What the h***?
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And Indra has the Naga, King of Kings by his side. Sometimes as a partner, a man standing next to him, and sometimes as a staff by his side.
Cristina: Yeah, that's cool.
Jack: Weird.
Cristina: It is weird. But it's like Dragon Ball Z. Like the cat people and the angels fair. Because the cat are the real gods.
Jack: In the overpowered thing. But they still have something even greater next to them.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: That. Do what they say.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Holy s***. Interesting, huh? I didn't think about that. Additionally, weird fact, Brahma, who seems to also be an elf by every definition possible, does not have a Naga. I even looked up why he doesn't have a Naga. And you even find people on Reddit and on Quora asking, why doesn't Brahma have Naga? Everybody else is shown with it.
Cristina: Killed one.
Jack: Well, no.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It looks like he's something superior to the other elves.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Brahma might be some other s***. He's an elf.
Cristina: Just a higher ranking.
Jack: He might be a higher ranking. If there is anything stronger than the Naga, following Brahma might take us in that direction.
Cristina: Okay, what?
Jack: Additionally, Vishnu, the yogi elf who hangs out with Earthrealm, Naga King Shesha, coiled beneath him as a yoga mat, practices this yoga where people come to see Vishnu. Now Vishnu puts a cap on somebody's power. I don't know who yet. We know his job exists because he's still in Earthrealm. Unless there are also rogue elf. And I don't think that's the case because the Naga they're hanging out with is still doing their job. So he practices his yoga on top of a mountain.
Cristina: Crazy.
Jack: Of course, Mount Kailash.
Cristina: Another mountain.
Jack: Mountain where there is a fairy. Which is quite interesting. Especially because when you look into Vishnu, one of the descriptions the Hindu have attached to him is. Guardian of what, homie? You hang out on a mountain and they call you guardian of what, homie?
Cristina: The fairy flowers.
Jack: Not the fairy flowers. He's on a mountain, dude. There's a portal to the f****** fairy realm.
Cristina: There could not be a portal. There could be a portal. I don't know.
Jack: He's on top of the mountain. He's an elf. And he's a guardian. Of what? It's a mountain. What are you guarding, bro?
Cristina: It's gotta be.
Jack: That's my theory at least.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: That'S my theory at least. I don't know if I'm gonna be right when I look into it. But that's my theory, at least.
Cristina: I think so.
Jack: Which means there's a way. Except you gotta be able to, you know, you gotta be able to one up a freaking elf. So that doesn't happen.
Cristina: I guess not. But also, could anyone even go through it even if they saw it? Because I thought.
Jack: Because it's not physical, it's different. Yeah. Oh crap. You think it works the way like a Shinto bridge does?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Interesting.
Cristina: Unless we have stories of people entering the fairy. I don't know. Which I don't think there is. So I think it's a one way thing. But I don't know.
Jack: I know. We gotta look into it.
Cristina: Okay. Okay.
Jack: But that's where we are. Fairies can make way humans furries can create perfect human replicants. Weapons could be crafted, made of magic that could harm fairies.
Cristina: Turned into philosopher stone.
Jack: They could be turned into philosopher's stone. You could turn humans to Naga crazy. That's nuts. Which. Dude, we've been. Dude, we've been sleeping on the Greek for a while. We've been like, you know, whatever. There's some background noise. But they've had a lot of time. They've been neglected for a while and they've only had adrenochrome. So even if it's not the fruits, they got this one thing they're working on over and over. They just got better with it.
Cristina: Now we got to find out what exactly are they doing.
Jack: What exactly are they doing? There's.
Cristina: What are they up to?
Jack: I didn't know they were players. I did not. I thought they were just, you know, trying to catch up, but it seems.
Cristina: Like they caught up.
Jack: They pulled ahead, bro. They might have pulled ahead a while ago. Again, information dies out beyond a certain point.
Cristina: Oh yeah.
Jack: So we just gotta see, based on the farthest we can see, who made it the farthest.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And we can only surmise that based on knowing what they were doing at the given time that they were most active.
Cristina: Mm. So, man, I hope there's more to find.
Jack: But this is as far as the Naga research goes. Now we got a couple of little paths to follow here and there. I'm gonna take us to some fun places. Hopefully we can find out some more of what's going on.
Cristina: Yeah. I can't wait.
Jack: So. Yeah, that's what I got. This is the crazy crap I found. All of which informed us quite a bit. Once in a while we get an information dump. Other times we're just kind of following the narrative.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: This time we got an information dump. That's a lot of details.
Cristina: That's a lot.
Jack: Never considered a Naga Philosopher's zone, but it makes sense if we could make it out of everything else.
Cristina: Mm. That's so crazy.
Jack: Which means an elf philosopher stone must be real too. There must be different magnitudes of Elfame philosopher stones. Fascinating.
Cristina: We gotta find out.
Jack: Research for days. Anyways, anyways, anyways, if you guys want to give us some of your input on whatever the h*** we're talking about, especially Naga. If you know of any interesting Naga we should be looking at, let us know. Tell us their names and where we can look for them. You can do that on all our social platforms. X, Instagram, Facebook and Tick Tock, usconvopod.
Cristina: And remember to subscribe and rate and review the show.
Jack: Yes. And word of mouth. Tell everybody that we are uncovering the truthiest truth of all the truths. It's our job. We're reporters. We do the homework and we tell you. Otherwise we don't see. See our checks.
Cristina: Our checks. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.
Jack: Fine, whatever. Do the thing and then keep doing our thing before. But because we do the episode, meaning we do some research. We get information, get a lot of details. We find a thing. We want to be cohesive to some degree, not just randomly all over the place. It is rambling. We are rambling. We're kind of riffing on the data, or that was the point. Except the hole got a little deeper and it's like, okay, fine. We're more informed, so it's easier to focus when we're looking into the thing. Oh, this is also about a dream Chrome, but we have, you know, some information now in our memory about a dream Chrome, so it's easier to compare notes on. This is weirdly like that. But whatever, you know, people across the world do the same thing. Then it shows up over there again. It's like, oh, yeah, Surprisingly similar. But, you know, this is not even thinking. It's not even thinking it's related. It's like, okay, I'm talking 150 episodes ago.
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