Rambling 291: Jinn Towns
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Are there locations similar to the Neighborhood of Paradise? Do the swapped children have something to do with it? And how does this connect to the Judge? The duo unpack Paranormal Lost Towns and Villages around the world in hopes of discovering a link to either Paradise or the ancient Judge.
+Episode Details
- Jibaro VIllages
- Quiet Towns
- Los Pueblos Perdidos
- Villages of the Lost Children
- Brigadoon
- El Chino
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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Jack.
Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.
Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd, rambling ideas.
Cristina: Childish ways.
Jack: We don't. In very adult ways.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Also, we need to keep in mind that by, like, the end of the year, I got. We gotta make, like, social posts and you know what? Just, you guys, whenever you want to start sending us some questions, you could do that, too. So that by Valentine's, we can just go old school and answer your pressing life issues.
Cristina: All right.
Jack: You know, so that we can help you solve your relationship problems on Valentine's Day or around Valentine's Day, since we upload on every Saturday. I don't know if Valentine's Day is on a Saturday. So near Valen. Whatever. Saturday's nearest Valentine's Day. Or I guess it'll be before Valentine's Day. So they can listen to it on Valentine's Day.
Cristina: We don't make any promises, though. It could be after anyway.
Jack: Yeah. And it might never even happen.
Cristina: Or it may never happen.
Jack: But hopefully it does happen. And hopefully it happens before Valentine's Day. So you hear it on Valentine's Day. Because that's only when reasonable.
Cristina: That's a promise.
Jack: Not really a promise that we might not keep. Because we're not necessarily honest.
Cristina: Yep.
Jack: Or we are honest. We're just not committed. That's all.
Cristina: Right.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's where it is. We mean well, but we're also like, whatever.
Cristina: Give us those problems.
Jack: Yeah. If you give us enough, it'll be inevitable. We can't, like, avoid it or anything, you know?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But we have something interesting to discuss today and to ground today the way we do. We were recently, in a recent episode with an H episode, talking about weird spots. Specifically, we were discussing the neighborhood of paradise. And then we were talking about the Minotaur, which really just brought us back to thinking about the neighborhood. Because we had these people coming in and out of the town. And when people go to the town, they don't see anybody. And then we were like, well, there's just mazes that are familiar. And the mazes tells us that things have happened in these areas. And if things have happened in these areas, maybe the town is something like that. Because people come in and out of the town. And there is a church in the center of the town.
Cristina: Yes. And it's like that house that's very ma.
Jack: Like the Winchester house. Yes.
Cristina: That random crap is happening. Are things going out of that middle room? Probably.
Jack: Exactly. So that church might also have something similar, because the maze had something like that. And also the Winchester house had something like that. And we were like, well, Paradise Road must have something like that, too. And we were like, maybe we should find places like this, See if that's a thing. Find weird places that have this kind of same pattern.
Cristina: Is it a bunch of woods?
Jack: What?
Cristina: Like, is it like. If you did find the other places, are they like woods? Like this place that's in the middle of nowhere?
Jack: If I did find them, I guess.
Cristina: It would be because that house, though, is not in the middle of nowhere, is it?
Jack: It was.
Cristina: It was.
Jack: It was. It was in the middle of nowhere, really. That was also part of the reason it was so hard to get in. And, you know, architects and people down to contractors to go make happen.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It was in the middle of nowhere.
Cristina: Okay, that's weird.
Jack: But all right, what's weird? What's different about that house? And what's different about the. I guess that house in the Maze, as opposed to paradise, is that in paradise, we have people coming in and out. Residents, we would call them. But neither the maze nor the house would have that atmosphere. There are rooms. I guess a house would have that atmosphere, wouldn't it? Because people did see many apparitions, ghosts and whatever happening there. Things. Weird things roaming the halls from inside and outside. People noticed all of it but the maze. I guess there's no real way to get a story out of there. I guess that's really why we don't have those stories. I was thinking, like, oh, yeah, they don't have those stories about people coming in and out and this playing out.
Cristina: The same way, but they're dead.
Jack: Not because they're dead, but, like, who. So are the people who are dead in the Winchester house?
Cristina: People aren't dying in the Winchester house.
Jack: The maker of the house still roams the house. That is a literal dead human.
Cristina: I guess. People aren't constantly dying in the house.
Jack: The whole family. The whole family died in the house.
Cristina: I guess the people today aren't dying in the house, are they?
Jack: Right. And then why don't we have those stories about the maze? I don't know.
Cristina: Who's it. Who's exploring the maze? Is that some place that people can go to right now?
Jack: I actually have an idea where the maze is. Fair enough. The maze is quite hidden.
Cristina: Yeah. Like, that's not a tourist attraction, is it?
Jack: No, it's a secret location.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Much like the basement of the. Or not the basement, but, you know, the facilities at the bottom of Cross Castle. But. So we're talking about Paradise Road, and we're talking about the maze that reminds us about the mansion. And we're like, yes, the paradise definitely has a church. And there's a pattern here, and there's familiarity. And then we. I don't know what we were. Oh, it somehow made us think, oh, no. We were doing the previous episode last week where we were just thinking about, you know, loosey goosey talking, and we came across the Judge again. The Judge and Inanna, his sister. That wasn't the same episode, not with the maze.
Cristina: I thought it was because we were just recapping everything.
Jack: No, there was an episode about the maze.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: And there was an episode about Winchester House. And then there was an episode just kind of trying to see what we missed.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And so we come across the Judge and how him and Inanna just casually strolled into the shadow Realm, which doesn't make sense. But we never thought about. But then we thought about it, and, like, we have an experiment that took place which was with Lucifer and Samael that allowed Lucifer to become a physical being, which means he can exist on both sides and easily cross a gate without ever needing adrenochrome. And we have the Judge crossing with.
Cristina: His sister, and we have all these tales talking about swapping babies, and we.
Jack: Have baby swapping tales. So the idea was, can we find more? Can we prove this is, in fact, what was happening with other examples after we have this established? And I think we can. So we're going to discuss a couple of different places today, and I'm gonna give you their names real quick, and we're gonna focus on one. Okay, I'll explain later. Why. So we're gonna discuss Jibaro villages in Puerto Rico. We're gonna. The quiet towns in Russia. We're gonna discuss La Isla de las Municas, the Island of Dolls, and Los Pueblos Perdidos, the Lost towns of Mexico.
Cristina: Where's the doll at?
Jack: We're also gonna discuss Brigadoon, which is in Scotland, and we're gonna discuss the villages of Lost children in Japan.
Cristina: But where's the Lost Doll Island?
Jack: Both of those are in Mexico.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: La Isla de las Muniecas and Los Pueblos Perdidos are both in Mexico. Right. Anyhow, so we're gonna start this by going into Jibaro villages and El Chino in Puerto Rico.
Cristina: Those are two different spots.
Jack: No, I Will explain what this is. That's just the title. Okay, I will get to the point. All right, so let's break apart these villages real quick. Right. So the Hibaro villages refers to mountainous and forested areas in Puerto Rico described as hidden villages, often in dense, remote, forested regions. Which kind of fits the suit we are looking for. When we dive into this, we find out that the locals believe these areas are always known for having lots of supernatural activities. They always discuss them as heavy supernatural activities, strange occurrences and weird things and ghosts and demons and spirits and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Kind of what we're looking for.
Cristina: Yes. It's always in the woods.
Jack: Always in the woods. At least these are. I wouldn't say it's always in the woods, but these are definitely in the woods. Now, what makes this particularly impressive is the fact that they are described as empty and abundant. Abandoned to visitors. To visitors. Familiar. Keep in mind that the locals also say that there's a lot of activity happening here, but there's nothing when visitors go. The locals to these areas also claim the villages are populated by spirits.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And supernatural entities. Add the Hibaro, the souls of the dead also being the original inhabitants of the region from long ago.
Cristina: They say if these souls are like human souls or like.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: They're just the inhabitants of the lands from long ago. Those are the Hibaro.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Everything else are spirits and supernatural entities. But the Hibaro are just the inhabitants from a long time ago. Unclear about how long ago. There's a lot of stories dictating a lot of different periods of time. So maybe different groups of people throughout different periods of time lived within the area.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But ultimately just the souls of the dead, presumably the original inhabitants from long ago. Now, the weirdest detail about this thing, by the way. This isn't one place. These are many villages in the middle of nowhere.
Cristina: That's weird. But they're near each other or. No. Okay.
Jack: Nope, nope, nope.
Cristina: They're just random.
Jack: Yeah. They're spread out. And they have essentially the same tales going on. And when people go, they see nothing. Visitors go up there and record nothing. Nothingness. Just structures. And they don't know who built them. The interesting tale about this is that the locals always believe that they were the neighborhoods. The villages were built by beings from the spirit world. They use those literal words in Spanish.
Cristina: That's crazy.
Jack: And we know the spirit world in every language translates to the shadow realm, but did you.
Cristina: Have you seen pictures of it? Like, does it look like it's just villages it's just. It looks normal.
Jack: Yeah. It's just old houses.
Cristina: Okay. I wonder why they think that then. That's weird. That's cool, though. But.
Jack: Yeah. So this is just the basics of the village. Let's. Let's focus on the locals a little. The locals surrounding these areas. So locals believe these villages exist in a place where the veil to the spirit world is thin.
Cristina: Of course.
Jack: How specific? The villages are often described as parallel to the mortal world. Very specific phrasing.
Cristina: Yes. Sounds like the shadow realm.
Jack: So exact. It's crazy how exact the wording to this is. And they're described as spiritual reflections of the mortal world.
Cristina: What does that mean? What?
Jack: What do you mean, what does that mean? That's the most exact phrasing I've ever heard.
Cristina: Spiritual reflections. Reflections. That's what you said.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: All right. I'll word this in a way we said a million times. The shadow realm is a mirror to the earth realm.
Cristina: I know, but, like, this isn't the shadow realm. This is. They're talking about something on the earth realm.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: As a reflection of the earth around.
Jack: No, no, no. They're saying that when the veil is thin, presumably.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: This is built somewhere else. We see one version, but it is built somewhere else.
Cristina: Oh, that's complicated.
Jack: Actually, no, it's not. Because if you think about the opposite way that this works, the Winchester house fits this f****** suit.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: This lady built a jumbled mess that looks like a crazy, chaotic s*** show to us, and she just wanders it easily. It makes sense. Over there.
Cristina: Yes. Okay.
Jack: Very on point. Very poignant. Another weird detail is they believe the residents aren't physical in the same way that humans are. Inhabitants to these villages can be seen wandering the lands surrounding them, though.
Cristina: So they can see these beings?
Jack: They see something. Yes, but never when they're in town.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: How familiar.
Cristina: Yes. That is exactly like Paradise Road.
Jack: That is exactly like Paradise Road to the T. Exactly the same thing.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: You know, cultural differences, linguistically speaking. But you're describing ultimately the same thing, it seems. But the villages, on the other hand, always appear empty.
Cristina: Yes. So they. They don't see anyone. Like, there's no stories of people in robes or any.
Jack: I did not find any stories of people in robes.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Now, these villages are called Hibaro villages. All these villages are called Hibaro villages regardless of where they are. And it's focused on the fact that the dead live there, even if there are other spirits and other supernatural entities. But then what is El Chino?
Cristina: What is that?
Jack: Well, I'm obviously going to tell you now. The chino translates to pathway.
Cristina: What?
Jack: Yes. Most of the village's entrances begin with either a tunnel cutting through a mountain or a dense natural canopy path. A canopy is when trees kind of overlay and create like a nice tunnel just through the tree foliage or whatever. All of these neighborhoods have that happening. Every single one, without exception. And they refer to the path that leads there, usually through a mountain or through a canopy, as El Chino. These pathways are believed to be gates to the spirit world.
Cristina: The pathway itself.
Jack: Yes, but can't be crossed by humans.
Cristina: This actually informs what's happening in paradise with the gps?
Jack: Not the gps, with the unmarked road, the dirt road that just cuts from paradise to the paradise neighborhood.
Cristina: Yeah, but like the Google, not trying, not being able to see either.
Jack: They just literally didn't go through there themselves. And we know that the people there had some kind of contract with the government or some s***. I guess that's why they didn't navigate that path. But the path itself, and people going through the path, like myself and never seeing anybody on the other side. Well, I can't cross the gate.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: I can drive the path. I can cross the path. I can't cross the gate that the path is. I was going through a canopy. I did not know this, or not a canopy per se, but, you know, some kind of tunnel way.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: That would have exited me on the other side if I had the ability to cross.
Cristina: If you were of the type. Yeah. Okay.
Jack: But I wasn't. So I go in and it's nothing to me. El Chino is the name of these pathways, these gates that they believe allow only those who have the ability to cross through. And it's only people who are from the other side who can come in and out.
Cristina: That's crazy. They just know about these places and they're just everywhere. Not everywhere, but there's. There's multiple.
Jack: Yes, they're spread out throughout Puerto Rico. They're in many, many, many locations of Puerto Rico. And they are well known by the older folk.
Cristina: Because that's what I pictured as a very small area. But it's not that small if there's multiple.
Jack: It would take you a while to walk Puerto Rico, even if it's a tiny location. Also it's secluded. Nature allows for this to exist effortlessly. A lot of forest.
Cristina: Okay. Yeah.
Jack: Dense rainforest. So it's, you know, easy place to put a bunch of these locations. And it's hard for people to get to. And then there's that weird archway. And people are like, oh, that place. Now, let's dive into some of this folklore.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Now, tales surrounding the Hibaro village involve souls of lost humans. And interesting enough, interesting enough. The kidnapping of the offspring of the lost soul's descendants.
Cristina: What? They're saying they're.
Jack: They're kidnapping this. The babies that are in their own bloodline.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: The goal is to take the child and possess the body of these children.
Cristina: No way. No way.
Jack: This would allow the soul of the individual to inhabit the child and have another life.
Cristina: Of course. Of course. Of course. That's exactly what we imagined. Okay. But they're related.
Jack: Well, no, we're not imagining in any other scenario that they're possessing the body.
Cristina: They're not possessing the body. No.
Jack: But, yeah, it would be weird if a grown a** adult then jumps into a child's body and is now reborn or whatever, which is what? This is making it seem like it's happening. So obviously we have to read between lines. We know this isn't literally what's going on because we have other examples fast. And it's also possible that the very people taking it are not getting replicas made of a baby. That doesn't make sense.
Cristina: No.
Jack: That's why they still see the souls of the dead there, because they haven't actually possessed these bodies. These narratives are conflicting. But they are taking children.
Cristina: They are taking children? Yes.
Jack: The child is then returned to the family, now with the soul of their ancestor. Allegedly.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Mm. Now, alternatively, the supernatural entities within the area are also known to take children. Not the souls, not the dead. They do too. But so do the supernatural entities.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: These individuals abduct infants and swap them with supernatural beings, most commonly for the purpose of sustaining a connection between the spirit world and the human world.
Cristina: What?
Jack: Yeah. The abducted human babies are then taken to the Jabbato village and raised among the people of the village. Yeah. Now, this ritual allows there to be mortals from the village familiar with the spirit world, and spirits within human villages familiar with the mortal world. So, Jin, take a human baby, bring it to this established location, probably after they do the obvious changing of the baby that existed before. So they do the experiment. They're not the experiment now. It's just a procedure. So they do the procedure that turns the Djinn baby into a perfect replica of the human baby and replace the Jinn baby where the human baby was taken from, then most likely give a bunch of adrenochrome to the baby and kill it, so that then the baby crosses and they can raise it on both sides. So the human baby gets killed, but now exists in the village. And then the jinn baby gets put where the human baby was, looking identical and can cross gates easily. This allows for there to be a human baby in the spirit village of the Hibaros and a jinn baby to be raised in the human villages. So there is interaction, thus sustaining connections.
Cristina: Because that's the goal, to keep that.
Jack: To keep that connection going. Yes. Interesting, though. H villages are not often considered dangerous, evil, or bad.
Cristina: Really? After all that?
Jack: After all that, Locals merely describe them as places where spirits reside and are empty and pointless for humans to wander.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: There's also a legend about half humans and half supernatural beings created by the spirits with the explicit intention of being able to cross El Chino to engage with both the humans and the spirits for the sake of communication and trade.
Cristina: Huh? It's all about trading. Huh?
Jack: It's always about trading. Yep. And we refer to these individuals as santeras.
Cristina: Wait, what? The people that are trade, the traders.
Jack: The people who are really jinn who've gone through the procedure to be half and half are referred to as santeras. Witches.
Cristina: Witches? Oh, crap. They're like a step below, like necromancers or something.
Jack: Yep. They just have the ability to cross effortlessly from one side to the other. Wizards and witches.
Cristina: Cheating way.
Jack: Yeah.
Jack: Because they're raised believing they're human and they just have this ability and they go through a procedure to be essentially indistinguishable from human, biologically speaking.
Cristina: Yeah, like they wouldn't even know.
Jack: They wouldn't even know unless they go to the other side and find out which they can.
Cristina: Whoa.
Jack: And the same would go for the human baby that gets abducted and killed on this side and then raised on that side. Just raised believing they are a jinn. Yeah, maybe an odd looking one of that. But they are just Jin. They were born here. They were raised here. They know people die in cross. But wait, why am I over here? Oh, I was born here. My family's from over here. But they can also just cross.
Cristina: Are they also witches?
Jack: Well, they have whatever. I guess not. I guess not. Really. The witches are the Djinn, the actual born Djinn. But as somebody who is. Who has consumed adrenochrome, been killed, shown up on the other, you still have a plethora of abilities. So you are probably the supernatural beings are probably that. The humans have been taken to the other side and have abilities that jinn naturally don't.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Now, under this logic, this explains a Lot of things. If we consider different cultures we've read about and different non jinn individuals with very human characteristics, but a lot of different powers that come from the shadow realm. Those individuals were probably just human at some point and then just raised over there since they were babies. So we see them as Jin and the stories describe them as Jin, but they don't fit any Jin suit. That's why they're one offs.
Cristina: Oh, we gotta rethink about those stories.
Jack: Yep. Because there are babies being raised as Jin who were just human.
Cristina: We can't tell them apart. We can't tell these human and non human.
Jack: Well, we can, because they are nothing like a gin.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: That's the thing. They have weird abilities that even Jin feel are strange.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: They are non jinn individuals. Just like we have weird people who were like, there's something off about you. Why do you have these abilities? You really believe you're crazy. You think you could talk to ghosts? That's nuts. You think you could see the future. But we know in the Shadow Realm, time works differently.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And if you're tuned in, maybe you can see the future.
Cristina: And also in real life, there's time anomalies happening.
Jack: Yes. And if a person has the ability to not only move through these things, but manipulate them and see them effortlessly, then you're just a weirdo with a lot of weird abilities that are all real. But we could never understand them. Because you're not even human.
Cristina: They're not even human.
Jack: It looks like magic to us, but it's not. It's science. Everything is science. Even the concept of a witch just got grounded.
Cristina: Yes. They're just made to trade. That's so crazy. It just matches everything.
Jack: Yep. To trade and communicate always.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: To sustain trade and communication, that is the important thing. Very weird, right?
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Now, we began with this place, Jibaro villages and El Chino. Because every other place has almost an identical narrative minus a couple deviations. Every single place on Earth, all around the world has stories like this, almost like the Bible, that are all kind of identical to other cultures and religions. They all have villages like this that match all these descriptions almost to the T. Everywhere on Earth, this is happening.
Cristina: That's crazy.
Jack: There have been djinn living amongst people always, as far as we know. Yeah, but we could probably trace it all the way back to Eloi, where the first couple of gates were ever formed. Yes, because the argument would be that Lucifer and Lilith were the first two to cross. Other than Yaldabaoth, he would be literally number One.
Cristina: And how did he even figure it out? Like, how do you make something a new world and then able to enter it? Like, that whole second part is even more complicated than the whole first part of, like.
Jack: Yes, how did he figure out how to enter? That's legitimately a whole situation of its own. How did he figure out how to enter? But I don't know. That is weird, right? That's really complicated. I don't know how the f***. And then the problem is finding anything about that m*********** so hard. But all the following locations on Earth, these have exactly the same folklore, are based in mountains or forest locations, have stories of being empty to visitors, and are said to be inhabited by mostly peaceful supernatural beings or spirits.
Cristina: Do they also have stories about, like, missing children?
Jack: Some. I would have included it there, obviously.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: I just said all of these locations have all of the following things.
Cristina: And then you asked about nothing else.
Jack: One I didn't mention. Like, obviously they don't all have that. If I didn't add that there. Now, the villages of lost children. This is in Japan now. These villages are built by unknown individuals. They have no idea who or how because they don't have any of the Ainu people's, you know, methods of building structures. These are completely foreign, weird, alien looking structures.
Cristina: Really?
Jack: Yeah. They don't fit anything that these people have built. They're definitely villages, but they don't have the same kind of traditions that they had in the construction. They have no idea where they came from. And weirdly enough, it's hard to date them because of the materials not wearing away the same kind of way. A lot of different kinds of clays and not a lot of stones used. So you can't really, geographically, not geographically, geologically zone in on how long ago these were made. Weird. Right now, most of these places are often in ruins. The locals believe these villages were built between the Ainu people, that are the indigenous Japanese, and kami, which are spirits of the spirit world.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And Yokai, which are supernatural beings and entities.
Cristina: Supernatural beings are different from just spirits.
Jack: Yes, because there are the normal creatures you're familiar with from wherever. Now, the. The distinction here is very familiar to the distinction that's happening with the Hebaro villages where they believe that there are supernatural entities, spirits and the souls of the dead.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: They made a distinction here. There are three different kinds of things happening, and we know that there are three realms. But this isn't granting passage to three places. It's only granting passage through two.
Cristina: So it'd Be spirits, shadow realm creatures and supernatural entities?
Jack: No. Well, the supernatural entities would be the shadow realm creatures, or the spirits are one or the other, and then the souls of the dead are the other.
Cristina: That could just be echoes.
Jack: An echo wouldn't assist building something.
Cristina: No. I did think they read descriptions. Weird, right? Yeah.
Jack: Something to think about. There is something standing out there that we are not familiar with something. Or we are, and we just not understanding the context per se. So. Yeah, the locals believe that the Ainu people, the indigenous Japanese, the Kami, which are spirits, and the Yokai, which are supernatural entities, built these villages. And these villages always appear empty. Always. And always have a structure identical to a Shinto gate.
Cristina: Hey, in Puerto Rico, did they have any special thing? Oh, no, I guess that's the archways and whatever the entrance is.
Jack: Okay. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. But these specifically have a Shinto gate.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Or structure. Not specifically Shinto gate, but something almost identical in structure. Except this was built so long ago that it predates the existence of Jesus.
Jack: Which is unknown. Which is not familiar. How long ago? But it's way older than he is.
Cristina: Before he made his Shinto gates. Yes. Wow.
Jack: Yes. So again, he clearly went there to perfect Shinto gates because they were crisp when he made them. But we know somebody taught him how to make them. Yes, Presumably Hermes.
Cristina: Yeah. With the Stonehenges.
Jack: Which. Yeah. Which is likely what we're seeing in those locations. Old primitive versions of these gates. Legend suggested the yokai swap babies with humans because they believe humans will raise benevolent children.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Yes. Children who understand the ways of the humans and the ways of the yokai.
Cristina: That's what's important.
Jack: That's what's important.
Cristina: Okay. It's something like necromance, but not really.
Jack: It's a cheat sheet. It's a cheap way. Yeah, it's the cheap way to do it.
Cristina: There's something good about having someone that's both or multiple of whatever.
Jack: Yes. A hundred percent. A hundred percent.
Cristina: Which is weird because the sea people had a problem with the half of themselves breeding with humans, but.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Seems like everyone else is okay.
Jack: Everybody else is cool with it.
Cristina: It's cool with it.
Jack: But the Alicians are not. No, they had a legitimate problem with him.
Cristina: Yes. Although it may be leads. It has to do with Jesus, but who knows?
Jack: Well, no, they had a problem with it long before Jesus.
Cristina: Oh, okay, then. I don't know why.
Jack: Yeah, I mean, we had. Who. It was Azazel, I believe, who got arrested for however long for impregnating a female no, actually, it was having. No, it wasn't. It wasn't Shadow Realm individuals. They had a problem with Alicians mating with humans.
Cristina: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Jack: These aren't Alicians, aren't shadow people. What the h*** are you talking about?
Cristina: But, like, why? Like, everyone else seems to be cool with mixing, I guess. Shadow Realm people. I guess. Yes, but.
Jack: Yeah, but these are. The Alicians weren't dealing with that. The Elysians were mixing two kinds of earthlings.
Cristina: If they want necromancers, that's the best way to do it.
Jack: Right? But they. They didn't have a problem. Idzamna was a human, literally a human, and Ixchel, his wife, was a Shadow Realm individual. They have no problem with that. Yeah, their problem was explicitly humans with Elysians.
Cristina: Why?
Jack: Well, they have an issue with Nephilim. They didn't like the Nephilim.
Cristina: Wonder why, though. Like, what makes them different? Because necromancers come from this thing of different beings coming together.
Jack: No, necromancer is a human.
Cristina: Is a human. He doesn't have to be part anything.
Jack: No, he has to be purely human. And then die.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Yeah. And then after you've. After you've studied the hermetic logic or.
Cristina: Whatever, you need to know every. About everything, I guess.
Jack: You need to know about everything, then die and come back. Okay, so these children couldn't be necromancers. They have the blood. The humans that were kidnapped have the ability to be a necromancer because you must be a human who made. No, but you. I don't understand. You had to consume Adrenocrome at some point. It's part of it. It has to be. How do you die and cross? Right? It has to be part of.
Cristina: Could be feeding the baby's blood.
Jack: And so they have the DNA to do it, but they just don't have the knowledge. So they couldn't be. It's just a cheap way. It's. You have the ability to cross, but you don't have the ability to manipulate. That's really what it ends up being, I guess. Necromancer DNA. If you ever go on the path, my son, you can. But, like, none of us f****** did.
Cristina: Because it was easier this way.
Jack: It was easier. Yeah. And, yeah, this kind of breaks down into essentially a hybrid child to cultivate peace and coexistence with humans was the goal.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: So there are locations that coexist with humans, which we know about with the Naga. Which we know about with the Nephilim.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And now we're learning about the Shadow Realm. The Shadow Realm equivalent everywhere had people living in coexistence with other people. It was just normal. Now, the Brigadoon in Scotland. This is a weird one. It appears every 100 years.
Cristina: Wow.
Jack: And can otherwise might be seen by humans.
Cristina: But it's a village.
Jack: Yeah. Exists primarily in the Shadow realm. But every 100 years the veil thins enough to be seen.
Jack: Weird.
Cristina: That is weird.
Jack: Very strange. It's plagued by strange time anomalies.
Cristina: That sounds right.
Jack: And confusing changes in the forest's directions.
Cristina: Ooh. Very familiar.
Jack: Yes. Visitors describe feeling like time is repeating or overlapping.
Cristina: That is scary. That is so scary. Okay. But visitors, like, even when it's not there, they're just visiting the area.
Jack: The area where it would be. Yes.
Cristina: Wow.
Jack: And even if they don't see a thing. An infinite feeling of deja vu. Like the moment is repeated. Like if you get deja vu every couple of minutes over and over and over, you start losing your mind. Like, what the f*** is going on?
Cristina: Crazy. It's crazy what's happening. Whoa.
Jack: It's weirder that it shows up every 100 years. I don't know what the h*** that's about. That requires a like, deep dive of its own.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Because something strange is happening there that might inform other things. Every 100 years. Like what the f***?
Cristina: Like the. Like the gate at the Mayan place. Isn't that how it works? Every something years? No, Every year. Every one. Once every year.
Jack: Twice every year.
Cristina: Twice every year. It's very specific.
Jack: Yeah. During the solstices.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But yeah. This is a weird one. This is 100 years. Every 100 years. Well, my guess would be that this lines up with something in space.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: There's some kind of astronomical thing that happens roughly every 100 years and positions it just right so that this becomes possible. Because we forget that a lot. A lot of this s*** is connected to space. Allows mofos dip in and out of space. And because we can't get stories from space, we have no narratives about this. But like, bruh, there's probably s***. We know a bunch of these dudes just dipped out into space. So there's crap out there.
Cristina: Yes, There's a lot of. They know about space. Yes, for sure. We know. They know the tech.
Jack: They've got the tech. It's like water to them. It's super easy now. La Isla de las Muniecas and Los Pueblos Perdidos in Mexico. This is the island of the Dolls and the lost towns. In Mexico. Now, La Isa de la Munacas is an island off the coast, and there's several villages identical to it in their behavior. Said to have been established by Ixchel herself.
Cristina: Ixchel?
Jack: The wife of Itzamna, the leader of the Earth gods. So these were established back in the time of Maya.
Cristina: She made them.
Jack: She personally made them. These villages were constructed with the assistance of El Castillo, which is what you were talking about. That is the pyramid gate that activates through the solstices. And they allowed for spirits, Jinn, to live locally among the humans. I didn't realize there were more. Twice a year, they'd perform rituals which would allow some djinn to move into human villages and some humans to move into Jinn villages. The human sacrifices just made sense right now?
Cristina: Yes, they're known for that.
Jack: They weren't even sacrifices. That's just. They were trying to explain what was happening, and we're like, they were killing people. And it's like. That's just part of the process, bro.
Cristina: That is part of the process. That's crazy.
Jack: It's not the end of life. It's the continuation of perception, and it's the end of your current state.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: I guess the human sacrifices weren't sacrifices. They were humans transitioning.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And so were the gin. Some gin would come in, some humans would go weird.
Cristina: Oh, my gosh. And she was involved.
Jack: She was involved. And they all existed kind of in the same plane, and you could interact kind of when the veil was thin enough, but you'd mostly live over there or over here, and it didn't matter which side you were born on.
Cristina: Yeah, but for humans that lived in the area, they just saw it empty most of the time.
Jack: Well, no, this is an area with high activity, and there's a literal gate just there, one that everybody knows about. Okay, so presumably this is more like Clinton Road.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: When you're driving by the road and you see a bunch of crap from the other side regularly, and there doesn't really need to be anything happening. It just looks populated all the time. Now, we know that paradise doesn't work this way. Paradise is positioned tactically and far enough from anything and everything so that it always looks empty. But presumably there's other neighborhoods there that aren't paradise. There's other things. Maybe the kids from paradise wander off and play, and we see those while we're driving on Clinton Road. You get my point.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And so if near El Castillo itself, you see nothing far away from El Castillo, everybody's interacting, regardless of what side they're on. Because this is natural and normal, and one of your leaders is a Jin, and the other one is a human. And it just makes perfect sense for everything to be nice and mixed up here.
Cristina: That's crazy. Okay. And she did that on purpose. Okay.
Jack: Nevertheless, they were known for doing what? Working on kids?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Portals. I don't know why this didn't come up before.
Cristina: That is weird. Oh, my gosh. She was just making portals.
Jack: And there's an island that was entirely dominated by Jin, which is La Isla de las Mun.
Cristina: Why is it called that, though?
Jack: Don't know. Don't worry about it. It's his name.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Weird names.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But, yeah, they had a bunch of Djinn and a bunch of human living on either side. No discrepancy, no discrimination. Just perfect hybrid. Yeah. You want to move over there? Well, you got to wait for the date or whatever.
Cristina: But today it's not like that. Like, these stories are old.
Jack: Well, let me tell you something very interesting. Where did the Mayans go? They just disappeared, we said. Underground.
Cristina: You'Re saying. Maybe not.
Jack: Maybe not.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: They could have just dipped out. They could still be right where they were.
Cristina: We can't see them.
Jack: We can't with them. We can't touch them. We can't see them.
Cristina: I wonder why they decided that, though.
Jack: Because of a problem.
Cristina: It's always because of a problem, I guess. Yeah.
Jack: And it all happened around the same time. Something. Something. We still don't know what. Regardless of how much research we get, we'd never get the answer.
Cristina: But you're thinking it was safer to hide in the shadow realm?
Jack: It was safer to hide in the.
Cristina: Shadow realm than be here.
Jack: And Jesus wasn't the problem. Because Jesus didn't give a s***. He was just doing whatever. Jesus went to the shadow.
Cristina: Exactly. Yeah. I was going to say, like, he's over there, too.
Jack: So, you know, he could easily go in and out. It's weird, right? Yeah, they probably dipped out to the shadow realm.
Cristina: But why? So many questions. Okay.
Jack: Yeah. That kind of merits looking at them again. So, yeah, twice a year, they would do this. It's crazy, because it just makes total sense. And the ritual basically involved crossing the threshold of El Castillo. Often, people would be, quote, sacrificed at the top of El Castillo's threshold, which isn't a f****** sacrifice with this context.
Cristina: It's just part of the process.
Jack: Just what you do. I want to move over there.
Cristina: But they all decided to do that.
Jack: They had to. At some point, for some reason. Everybody, we all gotta go.
Cristina: Why? What a mystery. We gotta find out.
Jack: We still don't know why. We've been looking for years at this point.
Cristina: Yes, but this is so different. Because we thought that they went underground and.
Jack: No, well, where they went changed. But why they went is still the same question.
Cristina: Yes, I guess it's still the same question. Yes.
Jack: Yeah. If we were going to find out.
Cristina: For Jesus, the other thing might have made a little bit more sense.
Jack: Yeah. So it's. I mean, now we know it couldn't have been Jesus wasn't doing anything to hurt people. Well, at least the Elysians were definitely threatened by Jesus. And the last one is called the Quiet Towns. This one is in Russia. These are villages said to be invisible to the human eye, but their imprint could be visible in the form of abandoned structures and the silhouette of invisible structures in the night.
Cristina: Weird.
Jack: You could see buildings that aren't there at night.
Cristina: Sometimes I feel like we were talking about something like that in Paradise. Not paradise in Clinton Road. I'm not sure what the stories were that led us to that conversation of like, maybe there's things, buildings there. Maybe it was time related that we can't see.
Jack: Oh yeah.
Cristina: It could be shadow realm related. I'm not sure. Yeah, like maybe that's why people see things.
Jack: People through the thin places, seeing structures that weren't there. Yeah.
Cristina: So that could be what's going on.
Jack: Interesting.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Now again we enter an area with three individuals, so inhabited by the Rusalka, which are water nymphs and spirits and the souls of the dead. That's three different things.
Cristina: Water nymphs.
Jack: Yeah, but that could be anything. They're being so specific there. It could literally not unless they had a very specific kind of creature existing in the area.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Now here we enter again. Were they known for abducting children with the explicit intent of cultivating a hybrid civilization between the spirits and the humans? Always allowing the existence of nymphs and spirits among humans to be so normal and common that they'd never draw attention to themselves. It's just about living in harmony. You don't want to be weird. So you get used to having some of us and we'll get used to having some of you.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Weirdly enough, these are considered sacred places and places of good luck and great fortune.
Cristina: These places, the quiet town.
Jack: Yeah. Old lore suggests people would pray their infant children would be selected and blessed by the spirits.
Cristina: Nymphs, that's different. But okay.
Jack: Now it's almost. Until the context gets added, having a spirit child meant indefinite protection for the family checks out. If their kid is now with you and your kid is with them, you're.
Cristina: Tied together will protect you.
Jack: They're gonna protect you. That's really their child. And they're raising your child. They feel they owe you something.
Cristina: That's interesting. That's weird that it didn't work out like that for, like, other places that have this kind of thing going on. But they're like, no, they stole my child. Like, they're fearful of their child being swapped. Not like this where they're praying that.
Jack: Fair enough. I don't think they were particularly horrified of it because they were like, oh, these are just whack band in places or whatever. But definitely it wasn't like, oh, it's good that my kid got kidnapped. But here's like, please take my baby and give me one of yours. It was like, they're praying my kid will always be protected if you take them.
Cristina: Yes. They have much better relationship.
Jack: Yeah. It's the highest honor to have your baby taken by the spirits. Weird. Having an abducted child meant always having family among the spirits. Logic.
Cristina: I wonder if there's stories like that. Then. Like, I'm thinking about Clinton Road. But, like, it doesn't matter because, like, it's just a bunch of people being kidnapped. So it doesn't. Like, how many are children? How many are not even in the area that are being taken to the area?
Jack: Yeah. It's visitors being that go missing. There's no locals go missing. It's weird. Right? This makes perfect sense. This is. I. It looks like everything else we just read is an attempt to get this going. Everything else is trying to accomplish what just goes on in quiet towns.
Cristina: It really depends on how fearful the humans, I guess, are in the area.
Jack: Yes, 100%. But it makes perfect sense. You please take my child because my family will forever be safe. Because the spirits will protect and my child will be blessed in the greatest of ways. I couldn't even imagine how they bless my child. It'll be raised among the spirits and in. In this place beyond my comprehension.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And I will raise their child, making sure that they always look kindly upon us. Well, it literally says that the family of the nymph and the spirits. The spirits and nymphs would always look kindly upon the family that they shared offspring with. The swap ties you to whatever family took your child. You are now an extended family of jinn and humans.
Cristina: And that's only happening in this location.
Jack: That's the way they're interpreting it.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: I'm sure. That's kind of what's happening everywhere else. Where it's like, well, we put our kid there.
Cristina: Yeah, we're gonna. So no one uses this type language.
Jack: To describe everyone else. Is like, oh, my God, something off with my child. It's like, you'd be fine. You're fine. Nothing's ever. Nothing else has ever happened because they're just watching over you now.
Cristina: Except they did murder your child.
Jack: They don't know that. They don't know that. They just think I was being raised over there. No, that kid was killed. Yeah, but I mean, it's physically killed. It's fine.
Cristina: Yeah, I guess it's fine.
Jack: As fine as it could be for the situation. Weird. These are the things I have found that kind of fit perfectly and enlighten what could be happening in Paradise Road. In fact, it kind of makes paradise work a little boring. All these are way cooler. In fact, the quiet town is the best one because it's. They turn it into literal ritual and religion and faith and tradition.
Cristina: That's pretty cool. But that. That one's appears every so often. What was it, 100 years? That's the one.
Jack: No, that is one of the earlier ones. That's the Brigadoon in Scotland.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: That's all we gotta look at. That's some whole other going on that kind of fits, but also kind of has a lot of differences going on.
Cristina: And this one then is. It's still happening. It's still. It's just an everyday thing.
Jack: What, the other quiet towns? Yeah, yeah. It's. Older folk believe in it.
Cristina: That's so weird. It is like paradise everywhere.
Jack: Yes. Yeah, it is. Paradise Road everywhere. And a lot of these places, everything that I didn't mention that. Keep in mind, I began by explaining the details. That every single one of these towns has exactly the same folklore, exactly the same kind of. There's a way in or something. The finer details. The only part that they don't all have is the abduction part, because some of them didn't. But there's a lot to do. And. Yeah, it's just like this kind of is everywhere. And it's probably what's happening in Paradise.
Cristina: I think so.
Jack: Except paradise might be a little sketchier. Maybe it might be leaning towards malicious. A little.
Cristina: Yes. Because there's. There is a secret group of something happening underneath the castle, most likely. Come on.
Jack: Like. Yeah. There's no culture around it. It's kind of just like, f*** these families.
Cristina: Yes. There's some kind of dark happening.
Jack: Yeah. Compared to the cultural Development of older variations of this. It's boring. But when we take away the fact that this has happened for a long time, then we have to consider an interesting fact. Everything I just told you about is ancient. Not Paradise Road.
Cristina: No. Okay.
Jack: That's new and sketchy as.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And there's weird things happening that lean more towards science, less towards tradition and ritual and the want to interact safely with humans. No, there's no vibe about interacting safely with humans going.
Cristina: No, not at all.
Jack: Not present by any means.
Cristina: Why is it so much more darker?
Jack: It is, though, creepy and malicious feeling.
Cristina: Yeah. And you didn't find any creepy stories like that, though.
Jack: Not any important relevance what we're talking about.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Nothing that lined up so hard. Like these. These were the biggest.
Cristina: Interesting. The ones that stand out, though the ones that match the most are nothing like it. They're also more peaceful. Like. Yes, you're fearful of it, but it's.
Jack: Not because it's the unknown.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: That's all it is.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It's not like in every case it's the unknown. Except for the Russians that apparently you just can't f****** scare Russians. They're just like, whatever, Take my child, b****.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: They're just cool with it, like, whatever.
Cristina: Very strange what's happening. It's something different about Clinton still.
Jack: Yeah. Paradise is weird, man. There's something off there. It fits a lot of these characteristics, but with the most similar being the he bottle villages. But the he bought a village is ultimately just, you know, where the spirits are up there. The.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: That's it. But that would be the most similar in that. But then ultimately the goal is still to have a connection between the people. And the santeras are just witches, which are really just jinn women or wizards who would be gin men who were just traded at birth.
Cristina: Yeah. There's nothing like. There's nothing suspicious about any of it.
Jack: It's so transparent. And then you have paradise and Clinton and there's nothing but sketch.
Cristina: Yeah. What is going on? This just makes me question what's going on over there. Yes.
Jack: Anyways, that's what we got. That's what it is. I found some interesting things. I thought that was really cool. All of these different, you know, enlightening. And it. It also fits not just the fact that it kind of enlightens what's happening in Clinton, but the hybrid civilizations that we knew there had to be more of.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And now we found the third. We've known of Naga, we've known of Nephilim, and now we have of Jim. And it seems that Jin. The most obvious of them that should be the most of is everywhere.
Cristina: Of course. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah.
Jack: Yeah. Because it'd be more rare to have like Naga everywhere. That has to be private. Private. And the nephilim, you know, you don't necessarily look as human as the rest of us, so, you know, private. Private.
Cristina: That is really cool though. Yeah, that's really cool. Weird.
Jack: Interesting. And all for peace in most cases. For peace. It's just for peace and to communicate and to share. And these people literally developed. The Russians literally developed a culture around it.
Cristina: That's cool. And it's just. It's just very strange. It just makes the other place very suspicious.
Jack: Yes. So three things to look at. We have to look deeper into paradise and Clinton. We have to look into the Brigadoon and find out what the h*** this hundred year thing is. That's f****** weird.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And definitely some refinement to be done about the Mayans.
Cristina: Yes. Where did they really go and why?
Jack: They're probably just still there.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Probably just there right in front of us, but we can't see them.
Cristina: Weird.
Jack: Interesting.
Cristina: I like that.
Jack: Yes. Anywho, if you guys have any input, any thoughts, any ideas. If this information made you think of anything, let us know.
Cristina: Give us your questions, concerns.
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Cristina: This has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.
Jack: Good morning.
Cristina: Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.
