Grey Thoughts

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Rambling 302: How Was 2024? Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised. Jack: Going live in 5, 4. Cristina: What does live mean? Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack. Cristina: And I'm your host, Cristina. Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And so we're gonna. That. Because that's our job. Cristina: We're. Jack: We're essentially. Yeah. Cristina: We're what we get paid for, as. Jack: We get paid for. We're reporters of. Of the cosmos and data and. And junk and stuff. A lot of junk and stuff. And I know we've been on the Luigi case and how that connects to all the. The elites freaking out. But because of that, we never got to, like, do a gear review. So I figured we could just quickly talk about some of the things that was cool about last year. Cristina: Really? Jack: Yeah. Cristina: I can only think of, like, the past few months. Jack: What happened in the last few months that caught your attention? Cristina: Not the last few months, but, like, I guess recent things that have happened. Like the whole thing with our president and, like, Trump coming into office, but, like, everything leading up to that. Jack: What things happened leading up to that? You mean all the multiple assassination attempts that happened to this. Cristina: That is a big thing. That's kind of crazy. Also all those videos of Kamala Harris making fun of her and the weird things that she said. Said throughout that whole thing. Jack: Okay. Politically speaking, it was really just their. Cristina: First debate of Trump and Biden, even before Kamala. Kamala came into the picture. Like, I guess that politically was all the most recent thing that's happened this year. Well, not this year. Last year. Jack: Yeah, towards the. I mean, it was a weird. I mean. Right. So everything happens, and it leads to this obvious moment where we have the largest red wave that has ever happened, I believe, in history, where pretty much everybody just turned and was like, the left is psychotic and the Democrats are psychotic and the progressives are psychotic. And like, oh, no, the Republicans and the conservatives and the right wingers, they are at least fighting in the side of the right. People just in general decided that, you know, but here's the issue. I was actually thinking about this. I was having this very thought, I think last night. I'm not entirely sure where I was really considering this huge red wave that's happened. And, like, where is the straw that broke the camel's back? Right. And I think really, really, really it happened around the. The gender people. That's. I think that's where it all went wrong. Around the gender people, the kids who are like claiming the term trans, which doesn't make any sense. Anybody listening to this who's claiming to be trans? You haven't transitioned through anything gen. Not like you could identify whatever. But you're using the wrong terminology to describe, like, a person who was trans had to transition. That was what it meant. And that's the definition. You guys aren't stealing it the same way. I still don't refer to, like. I'll say gay because it makes sense, but I don't define that word as homosexual. That's still being happy. I mean, you can't steal words and choose your definition for them. That's ridiculous. But that being said, the Alphabet people, AKA the trans community, but not the actual trans community, but the fake trans, because the real trans community is men who became women or women who became men. Cristina: What does this speak? Jack: They are just a gender people. That's it. Cristina: People that like, yeah, I'm weird and. Jack: I'm like a woman even if I'm male. And I'm like, what? Oh, yeah, cool. Whatever. You could believe or be whatever the h*** you want to be, but you're using the wrong terminology. Trans is not what you are. That's a ridiculous use of something that you have not done. But they broke the camel's back. Nobody had a problem with gays and lesbians. Nobody had a problem with transvestites. Nobody had a problem with transsexuals. Nobody had a problem with any of these things. People had a problem with forcing them to partake. In your universe, the only people who tried that were the gender people. They were the only 00:05:00 Jack: one trying to force other people to partake. And you're doing that in the wrong country. The country of we do whatever we want, not whatever the f*** you tell me to, is not where you come and tell somebody to do something again. Cristina: Okay? Jack: That's gays and lesbians, transsexuals and transvestites. Whatever, do what you want. You could do whatever you want because it's the United States of America. You do whatever you want. But just like that, everybody gets to do whatever they want. Cristina: Reminds me of them bringing it to school or something. That weird thing that was happening. I don't know if that was a real thing. Jack: What? Trans. Not. What is it? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: Drag queen reading time or whatever. Cristina: Oh, yes. But they were also dancing. Jack: Yes. Cristina: Like, what was that? Jack: Here is an interesting thing that me and friends of mine who are, I don't know many transgender. Not transgenders, transsexuals. But I know Some people who enjoy dressing like women, and when it came down to it, they didn't stand by that either. That was some weird thing that happened with the gender people. Like, they started taking facets of all the other. First they forced their way into the Alphabet. Essentially, LGBT was all that it was. It was three people telling you what they're interested in sexually, and then two people on the T telling you that either they have fully transitioned or enjoy dressing like the other part. That's the LGB and the T. The lesbian, the gay, the bisexual, and the transsexuals and transgenders. I mean, the transsexuals and transvestites. That's what those letters meant. And those individuals just wanted to be left alone and be accepted within society. They don't want to be special. No special treatment. Just let me do what I want to do. None of them were ever forcing anybody else to do it. When the T started to warp into a weird general thing that included things that are happening in your head and not in your body, suddenly forcing it on other people was in all parts of it. It's not. It began with call me. My pronouns. I'm forcing you to do something. But then it's like, no, no, no, you have to, because we're gonna put it in the laws. And, oh, no, anybody who wants you to play along, you have to do that. And also, I'm going to. This is just a bunch of continuous different areas of society where they kept trying to force other people to do it. And then you entered the schools and tried to force through the kids because we can't get the adults. We're going to train you small, but, ooh, ooh, you f***** it up. You got you. We were tolerant. We didn't like it. But it's like, whatever, America. Do whatever the f*** you want. You're not going to really make us call you anything, but whatever. You can scream at us if you want. You got the right to do that. I got the right to ignore you. It's when you entered the school and I saw a While ago on TikTok that is no longer gonna be with us, Rip. But who cares? Everybody moved to the other platform already. I saw a lesbian who began talking from the. From that perspective. I was watch. It must have been like a year ago where they were like, you guys are starting to cross a lesbian talking to the gender people. You guys are starting to cross a line where you've. You've essentially attacked the kids, and you're gonna undo everything that the rest of us have worked for, which is just to be accepted. Now they're starting to look at us like we're all like you because you're using our letters. You're messing up what we have worked to accomplish because you're trying to target children and forced adults. And it's like, well, a year later, that got proven, and now I. The problem is, as an Andrew Tate incel might explain, if a hoe has a friend and you are looking at the friend who's friends with a hoe, you're gonna associate and say, they're both hoes, right? That's kind of the logic one of these guys would use. It's who she's around. She might be the normal girl, but one chick surrounded by hoes must be, you know, the stupid logic they would apply. That kind of applies here in how society is working. First, they took your letters, and then you guys welcomed them, which is fine, except when it went bad, you 00:10:00 Jack: had already allowed them into your circle. So when they're looking at who to blame, you look like a hoe. They're a hoe. You're a hoe. You were all hoeing together. Maybe you weren't, but who's gonna try to find out which one of them isn't the hoe? Cristina: Okay? Jack: And so society is looking at, well, lgbtq. You guys allowed them there. Now, that's one label. You guys fell under the same label, and you didn't fight it off at the be. You let them. So now you decided to identify with them. And then s*** went wrong, and you wanted to separate yourself. You want the LGB to remove itself, but you didn't do that when it was good. You were consuming the benefits of their work. You didn't make a stand to differentiate. You only making the stand now that it's hurting your previous progress. Even if it was wrong to begin with. You're only making the stand out. So to everybody else, you're just another hoe. And as we strip the rights from them, yours are gonna be f****** gone too. It's very sad, and that f****** sucks. But you kind of stood next to that hoe so long, everybody thought you were a hoe too. And, like, d***, that sucks. But you guys kind of didn't dismiss them the way everybody else did. And I kind of. You chose to stand by them. Now you're not, and I acknowledge that. And look, I am still kind of on their side on that. You should be able to dress and get. You should. You can't make anybody call you s***. Yeah, you should be. You, you can't get anybody to call you anything. That's ridiculous. You're not gonna do that. Oh, don't misgender. Shut the f*** up. You're gonna get misgendered anytime I want you to get misgendered. But you have a right to feel however you feel inside. And you can identify as whatever the f*** you want to identify. Nobody can take that away from you a hundred billion percent. You're allowed that, but you can't make anybody else. And I'm on their side with that. But they're all gonna take the hit now because you know, you were hoeing together and we now people are recoiling and you know you're gonna get the f*** out of the bathroom. The bathroom thing doesn't f****** make sense. It doesn't went. What stops a guy right now looking like a normal dude going into the woman's bathroom? Yeah, you could just literally walk into a woman's bathroom right now. I don't get that f****** reasoning. That one's dumb. I understand if a little girl, when you put it in, when you add context to it, it suddenly gets a little darker. A little girl and a grown man only go into the bathroom. Now you got a problem. Cristina: If a little. If a dad takes his daughter to a bathroom, should he take her to the girl's bathroom or the guy's bathroom or is it appropriate? Jack: It doesn't matter. Cristina: Where does he go? Jack: He's taking her to a stall regardless. Cristina: Yes, but isn't it look bad either way? Jack: No, it gets bad. The only time it really gets bad. And this is the only side of this argument that the people against it. See, your 11 year old daughter knows how to use the bathroom alone. Mom, I'm going to the bathroom. Grown 45 year old man also goes into that bathroom and nobody else is in there. Yeah, you see, he doesn't have to be doing anything. There's a 45 year old man around your 11 year old daughter when she's removing her pants. That's all you need to know. Yeah, that kind of f****** sucks. That's not happening now on those grounds alone. Oh, but I'm allowed to do. I get it, bro, but you can't just think of you exclusively. Cristina: You have to think of people do though. Jack: Yeah. And they're like oh, I should be allowed to. You should. Yeah, you should. But the same way, and I say this knowing the backlash that's about to happen, women do have to dress a certain kind of way. Not because it's right. That they should dress a certain way, but also well know your audience, know where the f*** you're around, and know that guys are monsters. So, like, don't be at a party, super skimpy dress and be shocked that some dude is f****** groping on you because you kind of look like the part of the person who would, you know, and that sucks. And definitely don't blame the chick when the guy does the wrong thing. But also she was there kind of portraying the thing. So it's part of he's a monster and she's kind of an idiot. That's kind of where it lands. Not she did something wrong. No, she did something stupid. He did something wrong, but she did something stupid. The argument is, do you trust going to the hood, any hood, pick a hood, and putting $10,000 on the floor, going to the store, buying something and coming back to get your $10,000. 00:15:00 Jack: The same way you wouldn't be half naked around people who want to rape you. Cristina: Could you do that in other places? You're saying only in the hood? Jack: No, I'm just giving you, I'm just giving you the most obvious location. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Because the argument would be yes, but also you could be in the middle of daylight in a city, walking down a city block, and how many videos are there of some dude just jumping on a woman, trying to rape her right there in front. Like, yes, it could happen anywhere. Cristina: Yes. Jack: But in the obvious situation when it would happen now it's kind of. You're doing something dumb too. If it just happened and you're anywhere. F***. Society sucks. Like people are monsters. Cristina: Reminds me of something from 2024 whole would you want to go into the woods with a bear or a man or something? Jack: It's funny because this falls into the same thing, right? This is the other side of that coin. 2024 was the peak and the collapse of women on women superior to men. We've. We're seeing whatever the f*** they're claiming is feminism, which is really feminazism. We're seeing that fall apart now because a bunch of incel type dudes have just opted into not dating women at all. And the men who are kind of soft but kind of, you know, pool chicks anyways, are opting into. We're going to be in our, what is it, the soft guy phase or whatever the s*** was happening. So women were like, oh, the bear. Like, you know what? We're only going to be taking the bros out from now on and we're not going to be talking to You. You want to talk to us, you can approach us, and you have to ask us out, which means you got to pay for the dinner or don't get dinner. I'll go take my homie out. So a bunch of that happening sounds pretty cool. Mm. But I don't know. It's weird. I don't know. It's weird. 2024 was the end of a lot of weird things. I do think. I do think real feminists spoke up. Cristina: Mm. For what? Jack: Just in general. Just in general. So many women are like, look, I don't. I want to be taken care of. And, like, I don't want to f****** work. And, you know, a lot of. Not femme. I guess that one isn't a feminist. Yeah, it depends. It depends. That's still. That's still feminism. When the woman wants an equal role, although different. The problem is feminism got corrupted by the we can do everything men could do. You literally have less physical mass on a biological scale. We have hundreds of thousands of years of spatial development in males and emotional development in females. Interpersonally speaking, you are. We are not the same. Cristina: Yeah, but we want to do the same thing, but better. But it should just be. We want. We would like to do the same things. Jack: You would. Yeah, exactly. You would like to do the same things. Cristina: That's it. Jack: No man could do a thing. A woman developed naturally to do better than a woman. There's no man who could do that. There's also no woman who could do anything. A man is naturally more able to end. Yes. There are outliers for those of you out there who just thought of some specific instance, and it's like, oh, what about this celebrity or the super athlete? And it's like, that's why they're a f****** celebrity and a f****** super athlete. No s***. Pick out the exceptions in general, the rule would be. Is what I'm talking about. And yeah, like, there's no instance in which a guy is gonna best a woman at women things. The problem is there's also weird lines about what those things are. It's funny to say, b****, get in the kitchen. It's like, bro, pull back. Men were the kitchen. Men were the kitchen for so f****** long that even in the worst of scenarios, the man is the better chef always. But that's because he had to hunt the food and he had to make sure the food didn't rot on the way back. So they had to cook the food. You bring the food ready. That all happened on the trip. The women were social interaction and safety in numbers and structure. It was the mental development. Food had nothing to do with it. That was part of body, which was part of the father's job. Now in society, these logical things most people don't know and are f****** stupid. Many guys will say, b****, get in the kitchen. That guy does not know anything about life. He's just saying dumb, ignorant crap. Because women can easily be like, b****, get in the kitchen. Because biologically, that was our role. Cristina: Interesting. Jack: We were literally the. Go get me some food, bro. 00:20:00 Jack: And we would be like, yeah, I guess. I mean, I'm gonna starve too if I don't. So I guess I gotta go get the food. Cristina: That reminds me of the Olympics though. That happened. That was really funny. Reminds me of the breakdown. Yes. Yes. That's what I'm thinking about. Oh, my God. What's her name? X ray, Something like that. I don't know. Jack: Yeah. Oh my God. Cristina: She could dance as good as a man, right? Jack: That was 2024, wasn't that. Cristina: I feel like that was early this year, right? Jack: Maybe. Maybe I know that they were. Cristina: Or was it last winter? Jack: Well, I remember it at least. A scandal happened in 2024 where we learned about. I don't know if I was. Yeah, I think. I think The Olympics happened 24. I don't know. I don't follow. Cristina: And then that man and lady shooter. Jack: Yeah, it was 2024. Yeah. Oh, you talking about the two dope shooters. The guy who was just fire and the chick who looked like an anime character. Yeah. Those people have been memed to death. Cristina: There was some cool stuff from the Olympics. Jack: Yeah, it Sports that normally get completely ignored, but the fact that this guy had no tools. Everybody showed up with a thousand gadgets. He just freeballed it. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Just one eye. Not even. He didn't even close an eye. He just. Straight up. That's crazy. Yeah. Nuts how this dude's been shooting too much. It's just natural in his hand. He knows what it's gonna hit. Cristina: What does he do outside the Olympics? Jack: I bet he's some super spec ops individual. And nobody, nobody would know because that's exactly. You know, he's like, probably real life John Wick. Cristina: No way. In the Olympics, he. Jack: Why would they know about his secret life? I guess he's just. Dude, as far as the books show, I don't know crap about him. Meanwhile, he goes home, changes into a suit, kills 35 guys in a hallway with a. With a toothbrush or something. You know, it's just easy. He's leaving the Bathroom. A mob of guys is trying to kill him and all he had is the toothbrush. But man, did they regret him having that in his hand, you know? But no, that was cool. And the. The Asian chick with the. Cristina: The video, she looked like a video game character. Jack: Like a video game. What were these people's name? Oh, Yousef is one. That's the guy who was the other one. Yusuf. And what. Cristina: When. What year was that? Olympics. So, I mean, you said it was last year, but that was. That was the winter Olympics, right? Jack: Yeah, I don't know if it was Winter Olympics, but Kim Yeji, that's the other one, Yusuf. And Yeji, Yeji was the anime like character individual. Probably the coolest looking man. Crazy, crazy, crazy. Cristina: You show me. Yeah. Jack: Main character energy, bro. Yep. Cristina: Well, both of them had main character. Jack: Both had main character energy. My dude just free eyed it. Bro is so crazy. Come on. Are you kidding me, dude? He's so like. What? He must be some spec ops murderer. That's too casual, bro. No, she had gear. She's an Olympic participant. Cristina: And you don't think he is? Jack: Everybody else wears what she's wearing. Some variation of it to help shooting. This dude showed up with nothing but his regular life glasses. Cristina: Look up what he does for a living. See if what. See what Google says he does. Jack: Just a normal shooter. It says here. Cristina: Yep, just a shooter. Jack: Just a normal dude. Cristina: Okay, Yeji. Jack: No, that's not Yeji. His name is Yusuf. Yeji is a chick. Cristina: Oh, okay. What a year. What else do I remember? The whole Drake and Kendrick thing happened. Jack: Oh, my God. Oh, oh my God. I got so over that. Cristina: Yeah, but that did happen. Jack: That did happen. Cristina: It was ended with Kendrick winning and then getting the spot in the super bowl and then what's his name? Lil Wayne. Being very sad about it. Jack: Yeah. Going on many shows, talking crap about I should have been mine, boohoo. And then when. When Kendrick calls you out on that, he's all like, what did I do? It's like, come on, bro, don't tell me you don't remember complaining everywhere about some s*** instead of congratulating the homie. Cristina: Mm. So that was an 00:25:00 Cristina: interesting part of the year, though. Jack: Yeah, it was good while it was. While it happened. But the problem is it didn't. Oh, God. It did not go away. It's kind of like when Eminem first worked with Rihanna. Beautiful lie or love the way you lie or whatever the h*** the song was. Cristina: Just heard that song over and over. Jack: And over, and the song just played almost on A loop on the radio. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And it's like people and TV and everything. Everything, everything, everything. Was talking about. Well, not talking about it, Playing it. It was everywhere. So prominently, so prominently inescapable. That felt like this beef. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Where everybody was talking about it all the time, indefinitely. Everybody had a take, and you couldn't go on the Internet without some crap related to it trending. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And it was like watching a novella or some crap, man. Cristina: It was fun. It was fun, though. Jack: Yeah, it was fun. It was definitely an interesting battle. Probably one of the greatest battles of all time. Cristina: Mm. Jack: And definitely a forced Drake with Family Matters to create the most comprehensive work he's ever done. And I would argue that his most artistically honest, to himself, work Is the Heart, Part 6. Because he, for the first time, released a piece of. I genuinely consider it art. Because he released a piece admitting to his confusion in a conflicted emotion while also still trying to keep up a front, which is the art, you know? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: He's saying, like, no, I plotted this, but also I feel uncomfortable about where this is going and, like, all these facets of, like, I'm here by my own doing, but I don't like where I am. Cristina: Interesting. Jack: And, like, whoa. Honest, bro. Weird and honest. Cristina: Yep. And we learned that he couldn't have been a pedal because he's too rich for that. Jack: Wow. Yeah. Cristina: It was a lot of. It was a learning experience. We learned a lot about them, too. Jack: We learned that Hendrik is kind of an actual monster. I mean, he's a hood dude, so you know who hood dudes do. Cristina: If you thought that was a character. Jack: Yeah, I know. He got serious about and, like, what's. Is the talking about the little girl and then revealing to the world the existence of the little girl. And it's like, then the Internet, because that's a problem. If it's just a different era and you say this out loud, whatever you know the most as reporters will be annoying. But you say in the era of the Internet, within a week, they found the lady, they found the girl. Now, the complicated part about that very scenario in that story is that the lady they found seemed to be well off and not doing anything herself to be well off. So she came from a rich family, which means the kid was fine anyway. Or Drake was always taking care of the kid and keeping her out of the light the way Kendrick does with his f****** family, which would then make Kendrick a bit of a hypocrite. But he didn't care about that. He was saying straight out, you don't know how to play hood games. Don't try to play hood with me. And then Drake was like, no, no, no, no. I'm more hood than you'll ever be. And then Kendrick is like, well, let's see how that looks. And then he just dragged this little girl in. It's like, your reputation's forever. Let's play that game. I'm hood. Hood. Your s***'s f***** forever. Let's play that game. Even if everything comes out as a lie, people are not. Not everybody's gonna hear that you're pedophile somebody until the day you die. Cristina: Yeah. Also, if it's not true, if you take care of that girl, too bad. Jack: Now they know you were hiding her. Cristina: Yep. Jack: You were hiding the girl. Who cares? Who cares if you were taking care of her? Now she's out there. Now you got another problem on your hands. Oh, I just create a problem for you. Your s***. Cristina: The pedal thing is a big problem. Bigger problem. Jack: The pedo think is a bigger problem. And fandom is psychotic. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Like Drake isn't safe. No, he needs bodyguards forever now. That's it. He just needs bodyguards forever now. He before had to work, you know, still danger, but it was more the fame that was a problem. And people annoying you as a celebrity. No, Drake has to live in fear now. There are people who think you're a pedo, think you're pedo celebrity. There are people who are immediately associating you with Diddy and Epstein. That's just part of your life now. Cristina: Diddy's thing. Part of. Is there pedal stuff happening with that? I don't even know. Jack: I don't know. But he's immediately a celebrity who's called pedophile. So, like, that's immediate association to Epstein, Immediate association to Diddy, whether 00:30:00 Jack: or not it's true. Maybe it's not. Cristina: Wild. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: That's all I remember from last year. Jack: Well, the Diddy thing was from last year too. Cristina: What Diddy thing? Oh, yes. Jack: Yeah. All the pedophilia and his. The video of him beating that lady. Cristina: Parties or freaky parties. Jack: I don't know if him chasing that lady down the hallway. Cristina: That's his girlfriend or something. Jack: Yeah. I think being super abusive. And that opened the floodgates to where a bunch of people started saying crazy. Cristina: I don't know what else, though. We recently talked about Diddy, though. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: And also Luigi and also the fires and like, those. That's all super recent. And the drones. Jack: The drones, yeah. Cristina: That was also something like what happened Last year. That's not. I mean, so close to this to right now. Jack: I mean, staying with Kendrick in mind, the super bowl, that had a bunch of people, right? Was that this year? Was that two years ago? Was that last year? Last year where it had Kendrick and Snoop Dogg and Dre and all these people? I'm pretty sure that was that most recent. Cristina: That was crazy. That was crazy. That was a pretty. That was probably the biggest. Yeah, they broke records for that halftime show. A lot of people watched that. I think that was the most watched super bowl or whatever. Jack: I guess would have to be, right? With so many high end, high name celebrities. Cristina: The M and M's album come out this year. I mean 2000 last year, I guess. Jack: No, I think. I don't know. You mean music to be murdered by? No, no. Cristina: Houdini. Jack: Houdini. Oh, maybe. I think it did. I think it did. I think that was a 2024 album. So that did happen. Trying to see, like, is. There must be a website. Cristina: A website for what? Jack: For 2024 events. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: Okay, here. There is a list of crazy things. Let's see, we have the. Okay, Israel and the fact that Israel releases a map called the Greater Israel, where they kind of essentially want to attack and take over all the surrounding countries, believing they could, with the support of the United States behind them. Cristina: What? Jack: Yep. Cristina: But we're not gonna do that. Jack: It is unclear. They are our masters. As far as we can tell, they control us. Cristina: They made a map. Jack: Yeah. They have a sort of layout of what they would like to happen. And it encompasses several different countries, including parts of ir, Saudi Arabia, Egypt. They want to take over Cyprus. They want. There's just. They want to take over Syria. There's a bunch of little details. Cristina: Crazy. Jack: I mean, they want us to like. Cristina: Yeah, I understand that, but like, that's crazy. Jack: Yeah, it's absurd. But there's the plans that they have for. For the Middle east is to expand. They keep saying God gave us. No, people gave you that. You tried. God claimed a bunch of land for you many times and you weren't in different places they've been. Fun fact that has been released. These railists have been kicked out of 191 countries throughout the course of time. Everywhere they go, they implement the same strategies, which are they loan money, they bankrupt the country. The country kicks them out, always in that order, until they got their own territory, which they took off of a different country because nobody wanted them in their country. This argument has also been posed as to. If you're Such good people. Why didn't the Americans give you some land if they're with you so hard? If the Germans, who are actually allegedly the people who hurt you, why didn't we give you a piece of their land to make your country? And they've been posing a lot of arguments like this. Why does every country kick you out if you guys are so good? You get kicked out of a hundred. There's only like 200 and some s*** countries. They've been kicked out of almost every country on earth until they landed, creating their own country. And now they want to take over all of the surrounding things in their country, around their country. Cristina: Insane. That is insane plan. This would be the reason for World War Three. Jack: I don't 00:35:00 Jack: know. I don't know. But that is absurd that they plan to do that and they want us to help. But I guess that's another thing we can talk about that happened 2024. The current changed. Cristina: The current. Jack: Yes. Now countries are labeling what Israel is doing as a genocide. Now people are comparing what the Israelis are doing to what N*** Germany did and actually finding astounding parallels in how they're approaching attacking these people, how they are unarmed, how they are put into camps, how they're walled in. There are videos of Israeli military firebombing civilian regions. These people burned to death, horrifying civilian regions where there are no hostiles. Cristina: How's that guy not in trouble? Jack: No, he's gonna go to prison or be murdered by somebody. And it is inevitable at this point. There's too many countries that have turned against at this point. We're at a point in history where a lot of the talk is maybe people weren't wrong about Hitler. Cristina: What? Jack: You could find it everywhere on the Internet. The consistent comments of maybe we took out the wrong guy. And when you look at the events that are taking place and how he had a. Yes, he was. He took out many other people, but he had a specific target and he had a specific reason as to why that was the target. Weirdly enough, that reason is playing out right now. His reasoning was, what they did to my country, they will do to everyone else. They will poison. Cristina: You're saying these people are the same exact people. Jack: Jews is who he targeted primarily under the guise of what they did and what they could do. Cristina: And these Israelites are related to those Jews? Jack: These are not Israelites. Cristina: Isn't that Israel? Jack: That's Israel. Israelites are a specific group of people who are not in Israel. Israelites are black Jews. Cristina: Where are they? Jack: They're just Israeli. Cristina: Israeli. Okay. What are they called? Jack: Israelis. Cristina: They called. Okay. Are they. But you're saying they're Jews. Jack: No, The Israelites. Cristina: No. The Israelis. Jack: The Israelis are Israelis and they are Jews. They're not black Jews. Cristina: No. Jack: Those would be Israelites. Cristina: I'm saying they're the same Jews from Germany. Jack: It doesn't really matter. They're Jews. Cristina: They're Jews. Okay? Jack: Because they're descendants of the Jews from Germany. That's where they. Their families got sent and where they built. Everybody who was left. Israel got formed in World War II. The result of World War II's end was the creation of Israel. Cristina: You're saying those are the people? Jack: The ancestors. All of the Israelis in Israel are descendants of The World War II people who were being exterminated by Hitler in the first place. Cristina: They moved to Israel. Jack: We moved them to a piece of land that was part of Palestine, took it out and called it Israel. We stripped a part of Palestine to create Israel. Cristina: And they were cool with that. Jack: We have them walled in. We control whatever land we want there. Cristina: How do we do that? Nukes, I guess. Jack: They're not doing anything because. Nukes. Cristina: Huh? Jack: And we took away all their weapons and we barely supply them food so that we can control their energy levels too. They can't uprise because they don't have the energy or focus to do it because we starve them out in apartheid where they're just. Cristina: We're not the monsters. Jack: But we're not the monsters. They are in the cage we've built for them. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Because that's awful. I don't understand. Jack: Yeah. We took a people who existed already. We're like. We're gonna trap you over there in that box. We're gonna make. And we're gonna give this land to these guys who everybody hates and we're gonna put them on your land because you. You are gonna stay in the box next to them. And they already don't like you. So sucks to be you. Cristina: They're gonna fight each other and we're gonna help both of them fight each other. No. Jack: No. They're not gonna fight each other. Cristina: Look at us as a villain. Jack: They're not going to fight each other. The Israelis are going to fight the Palestinians. And they're going to anchor a bunch of neighboring countries with a lot of weaponry into creating terrorist organizations that are going to go hide in Palestine. And then we're going to attack Palestine under the. You know, Hezbollah's in there. And it's like you forced 00:40:00 Jack: them in there because you were bombing Every other place. Cristina: I don't know. This doesn't sound right. Jack: So they ran to Palestine, where they created and developed more. And now you're attacking them there, where you trapped a bunch of people to begin with. And they hid there because you're like. Well, they were like, you're not gonna. You trapped them and haven't killed them, and then you started killing the people you trapped, too. Whoa. Cristina: But we're not. Jack: We're not the bad guys. No, no, no. You know, we got the little. It's that movie that. That part of Spaceballs where the guy with the skull on his cap is like, hey, man. You know, you ever think about it, like, maybe we're the bad guys. You know, we got a little skull thing on. It's like, oh, no, don't be. Don't be crazy. Cristina: It's crazy. No, no, no. We're the good guys, of course. But, yeah, it's the Jews. Of course it's the Jews. It's always the Jews. No, America. What? Jack: Well, it's both at this point, because, again, it's two systems working together. One, the United States loves money. Two, Jews know how to make money. So what does the United States do? Protect the people who know how to make money at all costs. They do what? They run most of American businesses. They run most American politics. They run most. They run the United States. Cristina: Is this a conspiracy? Jack: No, it's a fact. All right, let's go down the list. Zuckerberg's a Jew. Google, owned by Jews. Comcast, owned by Jews. Warner Bros. Owned by Jews. Starbucks, Goldman and Sachs. Bloomberg. Marvel Entertainment. Cristina: How about Disney? Jack: Disney's owned by Nazis. Cristina: Oh. Jack: Like literally that one's owned by Nazis. Now, people, in the politics. Bernie Sanders is Jewish. Chuck Schumer, Dianne Feinstein. Adam Schaef, which is a House representative. We got Jerry Nedler in the executive branch. We got Anthony Blinken. We got Janet Yellen. Cristina: Would you be happier if they're all Christian, though? Like, I don't. Jack: No, it doesn't matter. The point is, they have a say in every facet of life, including. They control what we see on our screens. They control Comcast, they control Facebook and Google and Warner Bros. That's 99% of everything you consume. Like, they'll own Fox and CNN and this and that. Cristina: I don't know. It's just like. Okay, like. Okay, you said Facebook. Mark Zuckerberg, he's Jewish, but what does that have to do with the company? So the company is Jewish because he's Jewish. Jack: No, no, no. No, no. There are Jewish people in seats of power that can manipulate anything in any direction they want. So perception of Israel, for example, which literally Facebook did they literally suppress anything in favor of Palestine and anything against Israel. You see, that's literal perception manipulation that he himself did, but also so did Google. Cristina: And what is Google run by Jews? And what about YouTube? Jack: YouTube is owned by Google. Oh, that's why it's all the same. So now you think about why when you type the thing on Google doesn't show up, but then we go to Tor and you type the same thing and it's just right there. But why? Well, perception manipulation. They're owned by the people who are trying to control how we perceive things. Okay, for perspective, I'll break down by going up one more rank from Jewish seats. Right. So we have mentioned to the companies and we've mentioned some politicians, let's take a step back and go to giant firms, right, like the Vanguard Group. The Vanguard Group is an investment group who buy huge shares inside companies. So when people talk about shareholders, they're talking about these people. And you always got to please the shareholders. Okay, so these people could know. Vanguard is created by and run by Jewish people that started developing during World War II. They own Apple, Microsoft and Tesla as well as Exxon, which controls the distribution 00:45:00 Jack: of petrol, JP Morgan and Pfizer. So they affect the pharmaceutical industry and they affect the automotive industry. They affect media, they affect how you get your news, when you get your news through where you get your news. Now that's the Vanguard Group. State Street Corporation, also Jewishly owned, owns Apple, Amazon, Tesla, many healthcare and pharmaceutical companies and often collaborates with BlackRock and Vanguard as one of the big three. Those are the big three. Cristina: What are the big three? Jack: BlackRock, Vanguard and the State Street Corporation. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Then we have Goldman and Sachs, smaller than those, but doing the same thing with stocks in all of these. Same company, Jewish owned, okay? Blackstone, Jewish owned, owns the housing market and private equity with portfolios just all anywhere anybody lives. So they are the ones who redline and they are the ones who decide what communities get what housing, where funding gets decided. They lobby for housing markets. The reason a lot of people can't afford it. There banks in general usually built and run by Jews. They send the money. They are the people who create the debt, then collect the debt. That's how the N*** Germany war happened. Following the first World War where Austria was turned into poverty. It was made into poverty through the loners who were the bankers. That led to desperation that then Led to conflict funded by the same bankers who stripped Austria, then funded the very war by funding companies and then getting the payout from that, which then led to the creation of BlackRock and Vanguard and these companies that are now the same investment companies that own all of our media and all of our Internet and all of our marketing, top to bottom. This is all Jews in every direction manipulating how the country works, how the planet works to some degree. I don't even know how we got here. What was the point? Cristina: Something about, I guess, Israel, what's happening? Oh, they want to be a bigger country this year. Jack: Oh yeah, they want to keep expanding, using us to do it. But oh yeah, the point was that we they money, they've always made money and they run our country for sure. Because that was your argument. Your argument was just because they're Jewish, what does that do to the company? Well, this is what it does to the company. All the media that creates, all the divisiveness owned by Jews, all the wars that are funded, funded by the banks, banks run by the Jews. Cristina: Then we'll happily help them become a bigger country. Jack: We're probably going to help them become a bigger country. There's so many of these companies. Millennium Management, Soros Fund, there's a bunch of these just infinite companies, Blackstone, Apollo Global Management, just all owned by Jewish descendants or Jewish immigrants. And all control essentially the state of what happens in the Western and Middle Eastern world. The place Jews have no influence seems to be the Eastern world. They have no power there. Cristina: But they want us to help them do that, to get power there. Jack: They don't want us to help them get power there. Because you're thinking Middle Eastern, close to the west, okay? I'm talking China and Japan and Korea. Those people are like, no, no, no, we don't trust these Jews. They work through us, which is controlled by the Jews. So because they weren't going to work with Israel directly, okay? So they have us as the other piece that the Asians will gladly collaborate with. Cristina: Okay. Jack: D***, I never noticed that. No, it's still. They still control everything, okay? Because a lot of the time we influence the Oriental markets while the Middle Eastern is dominantly manipulated by Israel. But Israel controls the United States. Even if the Far east doesn't want to interact with Israel, they want to interact with the United States. And the United States is run by Israel. Holy s***. It doesn't matter. I never thought about that. That's crazy. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: Yeah, that's crazy. It doesn't matter. If they didn't trust them. You're still working with them one way or another. Fascinating. Cristina: Other thing happened. Jack: Well, that happened and there was. Well, the tide has turned. A lot of people have been 00:50:00 Jack: calling them terrorists and a lot of people are getting ready to arrest this guy. Cristina: But what side is America on, though? I guess their government, our government doesn't sides with Israel, so won't we help them expand? But that's not what we're trying to do. We're trying to make peace. Jack: That's because the people are going to revolt. Cristina: Our people? Jack: Everybody. Cristina: Oh, everyone. Jack: Every. The governments of the world are f***** if they don't fix this problem because the people are going to start overthrowing governments. And that just goes back to the fact that we've seen some dominoes are falling on the elites. It's become a tension of. It's going to collapse. And so America is not an idiot either. Like, you know, f*** this s***. We're not not beat to lose the entire thing just for a little more power. We'll solve this and worry about circling back later, okay? And that's why we're saying, like, no, we're gonna stop you. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: But it's like, yeah, it's because some f****** elites got popped. And people are like, hahaha, it happened. Hahaha. And that hahaha, made you, like, wait, you're not scared that it happened? It's like, why would we be scared? That was one of yours. Like, oh, f***, you're right. I was only scared because it just happened to one of mine. But you guys don't care because we've been f****** you forever. Oh, f***. No, no, we. We're gonna solve it. We can do what you guys want. The war is gonna end. This is all fear and panic action. They don't want to solve s***. They want more war money. Cristina: Okay? Jack: They want more war money. We need. We need to fund all these companies. Cristina: For now. It's more like trying to pause it. Jack: Yeah, they're gonna pause. They're gonna find another excuse. Their own. What's gonna happen? They gave us weed because we were turning on them. The same reason they took it away when they wanted us to go to war. So they're like, you know what the problem is? Our two plans overlapped. Let's just cool down the Israel s*** for a second. We'll keep them sedated. They'll forget. We'll take it away when we make something horrible happen. So they want to go back. So they want to force us to go back. Oh, they infiltrated our cities again. 9, 11 happened. We have to protect United States and invade. So that would happen again. But you know, after the drugs sedate everybody and long enough, you know, five, six years of like, okay, it's all calm down, whatever, and then they'll be husband. Somehow these people who don't have advanced technology somehow out bested our recon. We got them in a box. We got them in a box. Listen, American citizens, the people we had in a box with cameras everywhere that we know everything they do and everyone they communicate with and we follow them and we can pinpoint them through satellites all day, every day. Oh yeah, they tricked our super advanced technology with their primitive ways. Cristina: Who? Jack: The people in Palestine and Gaza. Oh, they tricked us with their super smarter, more clever ways. Even if all our technology. We got infrared, we're seeing them through walls. One of them got out somehow and slammed the plane into our home. I. But you guys don't want us to do anything, so we gotta, you know, we're gonna do what you guys said. You guys said we can't go over there. But also weed is illegal now because we have some reports, look, look, Tesla did some reports showing that, oh, we does this, this and that are bad on kids. Kids grades are suffering. Oh my God. You know how much we care about grades. We've always cared. So we gotta make it illegal. And also the bad guys got in somehow. Oh, no. We don't know how they did it. But we can't go to war. You guys told us we can't. No, no, no. You know, everybody gets all riled up. Cristina: Because you're not thinking, okay, you're gonna. Jack: Get all riled up, but you think. Cristina: They'Re gonna stop weed from being legal. Jack: They're gonna stop people from being mellowed out in order to get the people to agree to go to war. Cristina: We'll see. Jack: They're going to sedate us every time they want us to not rise up. And they're going to pent up our energy and stress us out every time they want us to go to war. 911. 911 was such a small, insignificant moment. We have in a single bomb taken out more people than happened in 9 f****** 11. And we've done it to innocent people who aren't inside of a corporate building milking poor people for something we've blown up poor people in larger numbers who aren't f****** other poor people. Just poor people living life. That's such an insignificant moment in history. All 3,000. Yeah, tragic. Those people died. We kill Way more people than that. All the f****** time. But why was it such a tragedy? Because we need you guys to want to go to war. This is gonna be on every f****** news station all the 00:55:00 Jack: f****** time. But who want the news stations? The big companies who are owned by the investors who are owned by BlackRock and Vanguard. And those are the Jews. The countries we always invade. Companies they want to attack. Okay, those are people who attacked us. So you're telling us we got a base right over there with the most advanced technology on Earth, then we're over here with the most advanced agencies on Earth and somehow we didn't see it coming. Cristina: Yeah, topic, topic. Okay. Jack: They're always trying to get us in that direction. But that's done soon. Cristina: That's done soon. Jack: That's done soon. Cristina: Yeah, but you think there's gonna be a third war though? No. Jack: Yeah, I think we're headed towards World War three ultimately. Another thing that happened, the Amazon forest began to burn again. Cristina: That happens every year. No, no. I don't know. Jack: Oh s***. I don't even know about this. The first fusion energy plant. Cristina: Fusion energy plant? Jack: Yep. The world's first operational nuclear fusion plant came online, promising a revolution in clean energy. Cristina: Cool. Jack: AI awakens which groundbreaking AI development blurred the lines between human and machine cognition. Yep. This is the. Cristina: This year was pretty crazy with AI rapid development. Jack: Yep. S***'s been nuts. First Mars base was established. We send all the goods up to start building up their robots. Cristina: Awesome. Jack: And also the first asteroid mining has begun. Cristina: Asteroid mining. Who's astro mining right now? What country did it? Jack: The company is called astroforge and through the United States government, it has acquired a total of 127 grams, which is not a lot of asteroid material, but that is cool. Yeah, it's very small, but the be. That's basically the beginning. And it's only for government use, but for commercial use is now being written in the book. Since it has been proven to be able to accomplish which after it's established for commercial use, then the number of companies that will pop up around it and push it forward quickly and thus reduce the cause because so many are going to be working on better technologies, thus making older technologies more relevant and more casual. So eventually within our lifetimes, anybody who. Who within the next 50 years will be younger than 70 will have likely normal visits to outer space in the next 50 years. That's going to be casual. Just within our atmosphere and like the upper areas outside of our atmosphere. So like asteroid mining in the local. Like whatever debris is right There. Local. Maybe just between Earth and the Moon or between Earth and Mars. Well, mining it. I don't know what you do hanging out up there. I mean, I guess eventually space travel should be more people just be chilling out in space. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: But, like, 50. It depends on the travel technology because you still got to beat Earth's gravity. And, like, that's gonna take energy. I don't think casual travel is gonna happen until we come up with something better than combustion. Because casual with combustion is going to be dangerous. We're not going to be able to breathe. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Cities of smog. Cristina: So when it comes to space mining, people aren't in those ships that are mining or they're being mined by people or. Jack: No, there was a human. There were human manned missions. Yes. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: But they were all. That's why it was so little. Cristina: Oh. Jack: So when we either go farther or when we come up with better tech for the people to be safer, we can then have larger sums. But it was essentially test missions to prove that it's possible. Cristina: That's so pretty cool. Yeah. Jack: So the beginning of asteroid mining has begun. The beginning of planetary colonization has begun. And we have AI development that's developing quickly. That's actually going to feed into each other. Especially because one of the guys controls two of the things, which is Elon Musk. Developing highly powerful AIs and developing extremely comprehensive robotics. Plus the space mission itself allows for all three to cross paths, allowing for him to be the deliverer. Cristina: Oh, his thing was last year, too, with the robots and, like, showing us how we can. Jack: Oh, my God. Cristina: I'm space robot, Maze and whatever. Jack: Yeah. The robot, he is moving every part of everything forward. So we're gonna have robots, both. All three. Cristina: Buses. Jack: Yeah, taxis. Buses. And maids. They're not just maids, just 01:00:00 Jack: house assistants. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: They could do simple tasks with you. Fold clothes, clean floors, that kind of stuff. That's pretty dope. That's. Yeah. That was in 2024. Pretty good year, all in all. There's a lot of crap going on. What else? Robotics and space travel and space colonization and terrorists. Only because it was a rich guy they took out. If it was a poor person. I'm like, oh, whatever. Cristina: Fires. Jack: Fires. Cristina: You already mentioned fires. Fires everywhere. Jack: Political divides, turning everybody. Cristina: The weather's been weird or weirder maybe. Jack: The weather's been very strange. Dangerously so. Cristina: Mm. Jack: We're gonna get to a point where it's funny, but within the same period of time that we expect a bunch of areas in the United. In the United States, in the Planet to become really advanced. We also expect a bunch of areas to become nearly uninhabitable. Anything around the equator is going to become too problematic for several reasons. One, all of them tend to be pretty low elevation. That's why there's a lot of islands in the area. The ones that aren't incontinent masses tend to be quite small. And as water level rise will disappear, a lot of that could vanish depending how high the water goes. And so water level alone gonna make that inhabitable. And the places that are already hot within that area, even if they aren't too close to water danger, they are potentially gonna get so hot that living there on average is gonna be impossible without special equipment. So the equator's region is going to generally speaking empty out and people are going to go more towards the poles, where the new better living conditions are going to be at. Now this has nothing to do necessarily with people. Humans didn't cause climate change. Climate change happens naturally, straight through the existence of earth. We've just sped up our portion, so we're like, oh my God, no. But it was again, we were whatever. It just sped up the rate. Yeah, usually at the rate it happens, society accurately gets to follow because it happens so gradual. Really. Let's have a science conversation. What global warming really is for the left and the right, who are highly uneducated in this area. The left thinks we're causing climate change. No, you guys are dumb. Do some homework. The left, the right thinks there's no such thing as climate change. No, you're also very dumb. Both of you are so tribalistically f****** stupid that you've done no homework. You just say the opposite of what the other guy says and don't know what the f***. So the reality of the matter is there's always a consistent shift climately. There have been ice ages and really hot periods. Happens back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. The last high peak of ice was about 20,000 years ago. And it's been getting hotter ever since. Before humans made any kind of technology that could warm the earth, it was already happening. It was already happening. For the last 20,000 years it's been getting hotter, hotter, hotter, hotter, hotter. Now society develops in such a way that that moves so slow, we can build around it, we adapt, we move gradually from here to there. It happens over such a 20,000 years, that's how many generations. So every year you move 10ft that way. But you know, over 20,000 years you got the f*** out of the way, out of the Way the heat or the cold or whatever the crap you got out of the way because it took so long. You gradually moved as it gradually changed. Now we built society and then sped up the rate. So now what would happen in 10,000 years is only going to take a hundred. Cristina: That's so horrible. Jack: That's horrible. Now we didn't cause climate change. That's stupid. The climate would change regardless. Also, there is climate change. That's just how Earth works. So both sides are wrong. We didn't cause climate change. No, that's impossible. We're not so f****** godly. We're not the end all, be all of the universe. But also for the people who have no sense of anything. No, there's climate change happens always. And so in about 50 years we're going to start to hit the annoying parts of some of these locations where, well, it was already hot and tropical, would hit 95 regularly. Except now it's 120 every day now. Livable. But do you want to. Cristina: No, no. Jack: Most people can get the f*** up out of there. Cristina: Is that part of the fires? Jack: Yeah, it's the excessive 01:05:00 Jack: heat. Well, no, no, really, really. The fires is due to California. It's California's fault. It's California's fault. Cristina: Why? Jack: Because he dried themselves out for a f****** fish. Cristina: What about the other countries on fire they're dealing with? Jack: Oh yeah, I guess so in their cases. Cristina: You can't blame California for every fire. Jack: No, no, no. Their inability to manage it. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: I suppose the severity of the fire is entirely due to the fact that we made it dry. We did. We sucked out the moisture to help a fish. Redirecting the water that should be filling the reservoir. And then that reservoir would have allowed us to deal with the fires and would have kept moisture in the air and around all the locations that would have made it harder to burn. But the arid dryness and then the super strong winds pushing the fires onto anything that was already super dry. Then feedback loop do that over and over and then you have this monumental fire caused by a bunch of people who thought it made absolute sense to prioritize random crap instead of people as goes the left. Meanwhile the right does the exact opposite and prayers prioritizes people completely eliminating everything else. And it's like you guys, you guys don't get it. Extremes is the problem. Cristina: Extremes. Yeah, it's dangerous. Jack: It's dangerous. The left lives in an extreme. The right lives in an extreme. The Democrats aren't. I was about to lie. The Democrats and the Republicans are fine. The problem is the left and the right identifying as them. But like, politics has nothing to do with your sociological bullshit, plain and simple. What laws get made over here and laws get made over there has nothing to do with your ideology of how people should interact with each other, but you still use the government to do it. And thus we f*** up the city. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Burning because laws got passed. Because you prioritize one person or the other, it's like, oh, that's dumb. Cristina: A year. Jack: What a year word. Anyways, I guess that's some of the stuff that happened throughout the year. A bunch of Jewish hate, a bunch of fires and stuff. So. Cristina: What was your favorite part? Jack: The year ending. Anyways, I guess that's all we've got. So yeah, if you guys want to. If you guys have anything to add. What do you guys remember Think like or hate from 2024? Let us know. You can message us that stuff on our socials, on Twitter, which is X. And on Facebook and Instagram and not TikTok anymore. Cristina: We. Oh we'll see. Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show. Jack: Yes. And Word of Mouth is a movie overpowered thing that has ever existed. So tell people that we have just discussed ridiculous things about 2024 and maybe they have something interesting to talk about. 2024. Cristina: Let us know. This has been the Rambling Podcast. Take Nothing Personal and thanks for listening. Jack: Sam. Cristina: Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Cristina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black. 01:09:16

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July 13, 2024

Rambling 281: Clinton Road: Part 2: Shadows

July 13, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

If Ghosts we title Echoes are visible time loops that can’t be interacted with, what is its opposite? Can Phantoms be interacted with? What are they? The duo continue unpacking the narratives around Clinton Road on their endless quest to understand what happened in their childhood. No longer looking at Echoes, they focus on the things that react to visitors. The stones uncovered will reveal some new perspectives never before visited on the show!

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And so we do that.

Cristina: Do that every week.

Jack: We do that every week. We do that all the time. And so, you know, in the last couple of years, we've gotten way informed on a lot of sort of esoteric and stoic knowledge. Things hidden, you know, the, the secret scriptures and the secret texts and lost civilization things, and cross referencing information that suggested so many things. Anybody who's been following knows what we're talking about. So we've used this knowledge recently because it looks like we were digging into an infinite hole.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So let's use the knowledge instead of continuing to dig the infinite hole and apply it to other places that have very similar conditions. And so we've started to unravel things. And so last week we're digging a new hole. No, we're using the information we have from the hole to compare to other things and be like, oh, this looks like this over here and it looks like that over there. Okay, no more hole digging until something here informs us on which tool to go continue digging with. But point being that we were last week kind of going through some of the information that we were not talking about. But you know, we in the past have come across Clinton Road, which is a really odd place. And it had a lot of similarities to some of the things that we've recently uncovered. We've seen that we can find residue of high energy technology and it usually takes the form of space time alterations and odd anomalies. So looking for things like this informs us. And so two weeks ago we looked at a scenario that was heftily informed. I believe that was a skin walk around.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then before that again, we had another instance, some creepy mansion.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: The mansion. Yes. And directly after the Skinwalker Ranch, we did Stonehenge. All which have the same things. And what we find is the same things. Gateways and distortions and a lot of quote, ghosts.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So last week we go to the place we know has all of these things happening simultaneously on top of each other. And like I said, I broke it into three sections because there was absolutely too much happening in this one place and.

Cristina: Ridiculous amount.

Jack: Yes, too much. And for anybody who's not familiar, many, many, many years ago, maybe like four or five Years ago, we dove into the experience me and two friends had there, three friends. Of course, we couldn't get a contact with them, but we brought to them on the show. We talked to them and everything about how strange that place was. Everybody had different stories. Whatever. You guys can go look at it. It's Clinton Road. I think it was Halloween episode. It was like three episodes long or whatever. And last week, we were just going over anything that we would identify as an echo, a sort of replay of a different moment that is not interactable necessarily, but rather something that's happening but not now.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And there was a lot, some things of which were very important that we need to look at in the future. But that was only one of three sections I'd made because that was just the echoes. This week, I would like us to dive into the things that do respond to people. Not that just play on a loop, but the things in Clinton Road that seem to not be an echo, that seem to actually be a thing of some sort.

Cristina: Like a conscience thing.

Jack: Something thinking. Yeah, something responsive. Something maybe dangerous, maybe not.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But that can respond. That seems to be moving with intention as opposed to a replay of a moment.

Cristina: Horrifying.

Jack: So next to the word phantoms, I've put conscious. I've put thinking intentional entities that are non human and probably could be from a different realm. I'm assuming the shadow realm, because Elfame or any higher level might be unlikely.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So let's unpack some of these details. This is a little bit shorter than the echoes of which there were many. This is still pretty long, but it was just a couple shorter. So let's start by going into the pickup truck. This is probably the most known thing on this road. There's literally movies that have taken this concept and rolled with it. And it's just some menacing black pickup truck that allegedly chases drivers at night, only vanishing when there's another car coming towards them or when they are successfully in something faster. And funny enough, it faster is very exact thing, because faster is conditional. People have been in supercars running down the street, and this pickup keeps up.

Cristina: That's weird.

Jack: That's weird. But if this pickup truck isn't physically here, if this pickup truck is in a different space where whatever is there knows how to manipulate the sort of distortion to cover ground faster, then it would look like you have this sort of ghost truck following you at an impossibly fast speed. But maybe on their side, it's normal speed, but they know how to move in such a way that over here we move fast.

Cristina: How do we know this isn't an echo? What makes it different?

Jack: Because it does interact with people. This is where the speed becomes very important because the vanishing and the fact that it's on the road. Very interesting here. Now it has moved around cars. Oh, it has moved around cars. It has diverted to hit cars. Somebody jumps off the road and it'll jump off the road behind them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's very, very different than something on replay. Now, what's weird about this place is that it seems to happen at exactly between four and six miles, nowhere outside that range, which means there is a particular heavy amount of distortion that somebody's abusing there, I suspect, at least.

Cristina: Yes, but not the person driving the truck. They're just driving their truck.

Jack: They're not. I think that there's just a nice little fold.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Of the two realms here. And he's just on his end, but he can clearly see because people from the shadow realm can just see us or whatever the f***. I have no idea how that works. Maybe it's the same that, like, as fear manifests, we start showing up over there more and they start showing up over here more, and so the lines start to blur.

Cristina: It could. Like, we don't have any proof of that. But why can't it be that.

Jack: Yeah, it'd be weird if it was just one way in this direction.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But then it's. Yeah, I guess it would. I guess the argument would be that it's not that they're coming over here, but the veil is thinning.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so we're sort of coming closer together in general.

Cristina: That could be it. We don't know.

Jack: Yeah, because we've always thought about it like, oh, the people from the shadow realm with fear start coming this way, but, like.

Cristina: Because it seems easier for them for it to be that way.

Jack: Yeah. But when we think about it, if they aren't actually over here, how are they seeing us? Yes, we're seeing them because they're phasing over here. But are they seeing themselves over there and themselves over here? That can't. That doesn't. Make sense.

Cristina: That doesn't make sense.

Jack: No, they're probably just seeing us start to fade in over there, and then they start to prey on us.

Cristina: Yes. Yep.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: That could be. That could be. I know there's ways in and out, but there's this other thing of just, like we're somehow in between both.

Jack: Yes. We're somehow at all times, well connected enough. And it's. It's a dial Right. You could turn it and sort of enhance how much of the entanglement is how much is crossed in that moment.

Cristina: How's that happening? But, yeah, I think that might be what's happening.

Jack: And in the case of this truck, I think that 4 to 6 mile range is a particularly dense area, which brings up an interesting point. Maybe this is a focal point of one of the major events that took.

Cristina: Place here in the future. Maybe. Question, I believe. Yeah.

Jack: Because there's. We look back and we find so little. We look. Well, we can't look forward. But the fact that, again, it's possible that a spacetime distortion from the future ruins the past, because that's how it works. It's space time.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And this distortion is huge here. But also the logic could be that it's a long, long street with no lights.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Maybe people start to panic around the same distance.

Cristina: I wonder. I wonder what it is. I wonder if we'll find a glimpse of what really happens in the future, though, through this conversation. Maybe eventually, like. Because the weird thing that happens there may even be from the shadow realm. Because we know they do experiments like we do. They do experiments here, but they also do experiments there. So what if this is just a spot where both sides were doing experiments?

Jack: Doesn't even have to be both sides doing experiments, because there's many instances just this side doing experiments, and that can mess it up. So why wouldn't it be that only on that side and cause the same thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Especially after we know that it's almost like we are in the same space, but somehow a barrier was built to divide them. There's a wall that was put in between this realm and that realm. There isn't. The word realm ceases to lose meaning when we back up far enough because, well, this is just, you know, that room. And then he put walls around that room and called it Earth Realm.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's hard for us to get out the room, but we can.

Cristina: Yeah. It is up or down.

Jack: That's how it seems to be in every direction. Yeah. Which. It's weird, but this kind of really leans into the flatter theory. Right. Of like, well, they walled us in, but they're really out there. There's more.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I mean, weirdly enough, that's kind of on the nose, but about the wrong thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But, yeah, this truck is responsive. It is responsive. It chases people. My idea is 10 miles Clinton Road, 4 to 6 miles. But what does that mean? That means if I enter from north, four miles in. If I enter from south, four miles in. It's the same distance either way. It could just be the people within. Like, as you start getting more and more. You start getting more panicking, more paranoid. And so in the middle is where people are the most freaked out. Which would make sense that enough people freaked out consistently going through at that level of panic. More and more and more about that truck.

Cristina: Also will be pushing that too.

Jack: Not even hearing about the truck, but hearing about all the other things that happen here.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then you get to this part, and maybe this guy is just some dude who lives on the other side, but in this part of it. And maybe he is a bad guy.

Cristina: Or he just wants that fear. Like, it's not really about murdering anyone. It's just like he knows he hasn't done.

Jack: Yes. That's another thing I found interesting. So the truck does show up. The truck chases people. But I made sure to mention the weirdest part about this, which is right before he does anything, he always disappears.

Cristina: Yeah. He's about to want it. And then he goes. Yeah.

Jack: He'll jump on the lane you're in from far ahead and drive straight towards you and drive straight at you and then just f****** veer off into the woods and disappear.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like he's f****** with you. He's f****** with you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Whoever that is, just f****** with you. He's not trying to kill you. That's the weirdest part. But it's so intentional. It's like he's f****** with you legitimately in an impossibly fast pickup truck that looks like a moving shadow.

Cristina: Yeah. I wonder if it's possible. It's. He was a human who ended up over there. Fascinating, because there are those cases and.

Jack: There'S hella thin places around here. Could just be slipping in and falling on the other side.

Cristina: Yeah. He just knows what he needs. He's probably was hooked on it. Adrenochrome when he was alive and, you know, died.

Jack: Which then goes back to all the. That's here. There's been cults and there's been sacrifices, and there's been a lot of.

Cristina: Yeah, a lot of adrenal chrome and stuff going on.

Jack: So anytime we find something weird, this is the thing. Right. We realize in the beginning of our journey, adrenochrome is everywhere. Everybody's doing adrenochrome and that's what's up.

Cristina: Yes. But then when those people die, it's even worse.

Jack: It's even worse because they lose their minds on the other side or they. In the Fear of knowing they're gonna lose their mind. They getting desperate to get back over here and get adrenochrome. So.

Cristina: So it could just be one of those people.

Jack: Could definitely be. And as long as he sustains the fear, he doesn't need the blood. Yeah, that could totally make sense. He has to. He has to cultivate it over and over and over. And it's like, I'm stuck over here, but I'm. I'm not gonna go crazy. I refuse. And I'm gonna just with people every day if I have to.

Cristina: Could be. It's really easy for him.

Jack: He's gonna get us fixed. He needs it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If it's a problem, people up, they. They go in and they don't realize how bad this really is. Now, the next one is children. This one is very specific. Apparitions of children playing on the roadside who vanish upon approach but can be seen waving at passersby. Oh, I thought echo when I was first looking at the mentions of this. And then I started looking deeper in, and it's like some people have these kids get excited, get up, look at them, start running towards them and disappear.

Cristina: It's hard to tell, though, between echo and not echo. It's really, really.

Jack: It is absolutely not the moment something is responsive. The fact that somebody stood there and then they started waving as opposed to. They're just waving at nothing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The echo would be doing the action regardless. It's not responding to an environment. It's not there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Anything responsive cannot be an echo by default. This is the easiest distinction to make. It's not difficult.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It will be responsive. If it's not. If you stand in front of it and you're like, hey. And it's like looking right through you and doesn't notice and walks right through you, and that's an echo. It doesn't realize you're present. But these kids see a car drive by. People see the kids play. They think ghost. The kids see the car. The kids, excited, get up and wave. What's weird about this is that they're not trying to get to the street. They're not trying to get to the street. They're just aware of the cars passing by, and so they wave.

Cristina: That's so weird.

Jack: Like, they know they can't make it.

Cristina: How many children is.

Jack: It varies.

Cristina: It varies.

Jack: But it's like they know they can't get to the street. There's an awareness of, oh, it's another car coming. How there's another weird thing from the.

Cristina: Other side that is weird. But is there they just look like normal children, too?

Jack: It's unclear. Small people.

Cristina: Small people.

Jack: Small people that appear to be children playing. Yeah, it's Clinton Road. Nothing is a specific description. It's night. Always.

Cristina: It's always night. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. It's impossible. Any clear description you want, you will not get. Yeah, this is Clinton Road at night, every time. And, like, kids that's in the woods, like, how detailed can you get?

Cristina: That is so creepy.

Jack: Yeah. But the fact that they know you're there, they'll just be minding their business. A car rolls by, somebody. Oh, kids. And then the kids and like, oh, my God, let's just keep going. But ultimately, the kids notice cars, but.

Cristina: If you stop, they would just be gone.

Jack: No, if they run towards you, there's like a barrier that they can't make it past because they vanish.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Oh, that's even scarier. Oh, my gosh. They run towards you and then just.

Jack: Yeah. So my idea would be that unlike visual thin places that we can see through and look to a different time or an echo that's just a fold repeating. I think this would be a literal. Not just thin places towards the past, but thin places towards the shadow realm. And, like, they can see through, but it's bubbles that they can't get through. Weirdly enough, same as us thousand years ago, looking at the sky and seeing a plane. And it's just because on the other side of the bubble, a plane went in front of it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So there must be in front of this playground or whatever, a thin place just at the right angle that you can see it for maybe a hundred feet or so into the other side, and they can see you back and then you can interact, but beyond a certain angle, you can't. That's what it seems to me. Because they are responsive. They look in the wave, excited to see, and then they're just not there suddenly. But only do it when there's somebody you don't arrive and they're already in the motion. They're always awesome. Kids saw me and they came and they were coming to say hi, and they just not there suddenly. Yeah, it's pretty up.

Cristina: That's. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I guess that there's children on that side. Why not?

Jack: Why wouldn't there be? They're just people. Jin are just people.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: But I think this falls into something from the shadow room. The fact that they see the cars and they get excited. They're just kids. They're not trying to f*** with people. The way that pickup is they're really genuinely just kids or seems to be to people.

Cristina: But that's. That's it.

Jack: Yeah. They seem childish. The next one gets to more personal areas for me, which is disembodied voices, whispering voices heard in the woods, often leading people to feel as though they're being watched or followed.

Cristina: This is one that they say your name. We heard we were talking about one before on the last episode about someone saying your name.

Jack: This is unrelated to anything from last episode. These are all new things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. This is just voices.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And these voices seem to be following people and it makes people feel like they're being watched. But mainly is that they're being followed because the voices are continuously behind them or next to them, around them. The voices tend to be unclear, but the voices seem like they're speaking a language. But it's also very, very off putting and very disturbing. The sort of guttural sounds that get made. It sounds like language, but like a demon is talking to people. It's the best way that people have described it. I would argue that we're hearing Jin language.

Cristina: Okay. Like shadow realm.

Jack: Yeah. And like it just sounds up to us because we've never discussed what it would sound like to speak in a place that's not physical. You don't have. You don't have vocal cords or anything.

Cristina: But they got. I would assume they have some kind of language because we do hear about people who do go over there and communicate with them.

Jack: And here's another thing. If I don't understand. I was thinking about this and just because I said this, it made me think about it again. I don't understand how it is that all the old text we find describes the shadow realm as a non physical place. But physical beings can so easily traverse. But also adrenochrome makes you traverse. I don't understand that problem. Because you have to stop being physical to get there with adrenochrome. But you can. Like the judge just walked in.

Cristina: Well, we don't know his life. What if he had Jesse? He had adrenal crown before.

Jack: How do you get back out? How does anybody go in and out? How do you get your body into a non physical place and then walk out still physical. Your body doesn't just dissolve and disappear and you can't ever come back. That doesn't make sense. There's some interpretation that's wrong there. Because that is a conflict of description is contradicting.

Cristina: It's a paradox.

Jack: You can't both be physical on the other side and not be physical on the other side. On the flip side, we do discuss ourselves as physical and non physical. There is a soul version of me that's controlling my body and then there's the body that the soul is controlling. There's the physical and the metaphysical simultaneously. But then that means that all the descriptions they have of the other side are f****** stupid because it's just this. But over there. Well, it's a non physical place. Your souls and stuff. It's like. You mean like we have over here?

Cristina: But is our body going in there? Our body's falling asleep and then we go in there. Like how does that.

Jack: I don't know. How would the Judge enter on earth realm on this side, take a shortcut in there and then pop out somewhere else? His body then just flatline over here and stay there unconscious, and then teleport to the other side of Earth?

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: Do you see the problem? There are active contradictions. And how this is described. There's something we don't understand necessarily because it's described as such a physical place. And you need adrenochrome to have a certain state. But also, let's think about adrenochrome. It's a physical thing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Why would it take you somewhere non physical?

Cristina: It has to be just physical in a different way. It's not non physical. It's just.

Jack: Yeah, there's something we're not grasping about it.

Cristina: Yeah, but you need. You need it still to get there and somehow.

Jack: Yes, yes. Even with a gate, you cannot enter the shadow realm unless you've had adrenochrome. We thought adrenochrome meant only after you die. But then later we find out some people can actually just walk in every time except the Judge. That we don't know for a fact. But every other time required adrenochrome. So it's a physical place that requires that no matter what, something about the adrenochrome allows your body to adapt to the conditions of the shadow realm. I don't think it's not a physical place. I think they were focusing on the descriptions of what adrenochrome is doing in order to describe what the place is. Yeah, I think that's the reality of the matter. I don't think it's not a physical place. I think it's a different realm. Obviously it's a different space that requires some alteration physically that is different than what we consider normal on the side. And so in their attempt to describe that, it sounds like you're talking about something non physical.

Cristina: But I don't think you actually. You don't need adrenochrome because necromancers don't. They just need a state of mind. They. They can do it. Yes, they can. Just.

Jack: But there's also heavy understanding. And they have stones that are made of the same thing.

Cristina: They have the stones to do it.

Jack: They have the stones to do it. And it's made of the same thing that adrenochrome is. It's just not in their body. Now this is an interesting point you bring because Adrian, necromancers don't need to consume it yet their body can still exist in the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now let's take a step back because we don't have an instance of a necromancer in the Shadow Realm that we've ever read. We just know it says they can. But the only time we have them actually traversing instead of giving somebody the way to is through Elfhame. And we don't even know if they physically stand in Elfame as opposed to use Elfame to cut through.

Cristina: That's exactly what it seems like.

Jack: Yeah. Which means they're not entering the Shadow Realm either.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Because we've never had a single discussion that says they entered the Shadow Realm. They just know how to get there. Which presumably means they know how to navigate the Shadow Realm even if they don't enter the Shadow Realm as a shortcut. Another shortcut. They can get anywhere, anytime, however they want.

Cristina: Yeah. That's so weird though. What is that? What?

Jack: Unless Elfame and the Shadow Realm are physical, which seems to be the case too. I don't know. It's so many contradictions there. Yes, but maybe if it. If it's not a different layer and it all is seamless, just with barriers like flat earth. A circle within a circle within a circle. If that's the case, then a necromancer literally enters the Shadow Realm. And a necromancer literally enters all fame.

Cristina: But as far as we know, that doesn't happen. Really?

Jack: We don't have a mention of either. Yeah, I've never seen a mention of either of those scenarios happening.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we don't even have Santa Claus entering the Shadow Room.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Nothing.

Cristina: Jesus. Entering the Shadow Realm after he died. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's.

Jack: The rules feel consistent. There is consistency. He didn't enter. He exited. He died. To get there.

Cristina: He died. He went to their prison, kidnapped a bunch of them, got some stones.

Jack: People over here thought it was part of their plan. To get rid of Jesus. Little did they know, Jesus planned every part of it. He needed to get over there.

Cristina: Yes, Very weird.

Jack: But then the transition state, I think is important, which then brings up a different problem. Did Hermes have to die? Because one very important thing we have to remember about necromancers is what are they most known for? Relating to the dead. The dead and death.

Cristina: That is interesting.

Jack: That is very interesting.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Jesus is an example of somebody who didn't touch the other side until he died.

Cristina: So do they have to die?

Jack: Do they all have to?

Cristina: I think so, because Santa Claus, obviously that happened to him. That's why we have this Nicholas, who's so different from Sam. There was some metamorphosis, something that happened there, obviously.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: I don't know about Patrick.

Jack: I don't. I don't know about that. But he's also loosely the bottom tier of this.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Meanwhile, Merlin has several stories of his end.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah, yeah, this is making sense. Yeah.

Jack: So all necromancers must. Or at least it seems to be, death is part of the process.

Cristina: I think so. I think so.

Jack: Mm.

Cristina: It makes sense.

Jack: Which means Hermes probably consumed adrenochrome, but in a scientific correct way that keeps him in control just so he can cross over to the other side.

Cristina: Actually, yeah, I think that's right. I think they had to die.

Jack: I think he had to die. We might not have the text, but we have Jesus the only example of a necromancer entering the shadow realm and he had to die to get there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If it was so easy and it was so simple and you could just get there, why do you need to die?

Cristina: That doesn't make sense. Is the Judge.

Jack: Judge doesn't make sense. How do you get in?

Cristina: Unless he was a living dead person and just didn't know it.

Jack: Interest. So in any case, the idea is we have to find Inanna's brother and see what. We gotta really dive into him and.

Cristina: Find out what the stories they have about him does.

Jack: Can we find that the Judge has died? That's the reality of the matter. Can we find if the Judge has died?

Cristina: I think. I think we will find. Because if he has one weird story, I'm sure there's other weird stories he's involved in.

Jack: But then that brings up a really, really, really exaggeratedly interesting question that we didn't cross at any moment.

Cristina: What's that?

Jack: The Judge is the third necromancer. Fourth.

Cristina: Fourth Jesus?

Jack: No, he's like fifth Jesus, Merlin, Santa Patrick, the Judge, and Hermes number six.

Cristina: Oh, Hermes. Yeah.

Jack: Six necromancers in all of history.

Cristina: I would think so. I think so. I think we're on to something.

Jack: So. So then the question is, is the judge a necromancer?

Cristina: He might be even one of them. Like, we don't know. They all live such long lives.

Jack: I know. It's so weird, bro. It's so weird. There's some timeline distortions in this whole narrative. That's f*****. Some people go millions, some people go hundreds of thousands.

Cristina: So many different lies. We know Jesus had so many lives. Like, he wasn't just the Jesus in that place, but he was the whatever in that other place and the whatever in that other place.

Jack: Yeah, but this lives is an exaggeration because we're talking about.

Cristina: No, he was still living one life.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like not even that far apart. We're talking like he was here a couple of months. He was there a couple.

Cristina: Yes, but like that. They all seem to have that type of thing of like, I'm gonna pretend to be this person over there and I don't think.

Jack: I don't. The. The dialogue you're using, I think is incorrect. I don't think it's pretending. I think we're talking about him going to different places where people speak different languages and they're using their interpretation of what his name would be.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so he lands at a different name and they're using their words to describe him, which is why the words aren't exactly the same, but they're so similar. If we were to paint the picture, he would look the same.

Cristina: Yeah. So this guy could just be someone else that we've met before and we just don't know it.

Jack: Interesting, interesting, interesting. You believe the judge could just be one of these other guys?

Cristina: Like, who knows? Because it's so rare that it would happen. To imagine that this is just another one, it's harder to believe.

Jack: Yeah. But it's also equally hard to believe. Yeah. It's like to imagine he's another one is really hard. And to imagine he's some casual who just enters the shadow realm is even more. Yes. Now here's something that we do have to look at though, because now thinking about it, he can't be a necromancer. He can't be. At least not in a way he's aware of, because he was shocked by the entrance. He had discovered it and was like, what the f***? And then he told his sister and he was like, it's the craziest thing. And she was like, show me. And then that's how they found the kingdom on the other side. He, you know, he became homies as he went through.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So he wasn't a necromancer, at least knowingly. If he was, he maybe stumbled upon a process or something.

Cristina: Probably some story. There's other things, though, that they rarely talk about. Like the plants and the app, the fruits and, you know, things like that.

Jack: There are other ways.

Cristina: So rare. But, like, humans don't interact.

Jack: Like, really.

Cristina: Yes. Like, he might have found one of those things.

Jack: You're totally right. So the science is very likely the fruit hard. You gotta go to the shadow room to do it.

Cristina: Yeah. But, like, there are things that exists that just don't get talked about because.

Jack: Like, plants are on this side and.

Cristina: They'Re, like, heavily guarded. So if he stumbled upon it.

Jack: Not the flower. The flower wasn't. The flower is just a flower.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The flower was not heavily guarded. In fact, the mention we got of it was just somebody figured out that this could do that.

Cristina: Yeah. So, like, he could.

Jack: Maybe that's flowers in more places, but we can't tell it apart from something else. Oh, it's just a flower. But if we saw it and we knew what it was, we can consume it and without. Because we know that adrenochrome is the addictive one. But there are other things. Adrenochrome comes in three parts. It's ichor, it's ambrosia, and it's the literal liquid of nectar. Those are the three states. What is it? Ambrosia is the little organs that are adrenochrome dense. And then there is the. What is ambrosia? There is ichor, which is distilled. It's after it's been consumed. Yeah, it's the blood. I mean, they're all blood, but after it's been distilled, somebody consumed adrenochrome. And now you take the blood of a person who's consumed adrenochrome, and it sort of went through a process.

Cristina: Vampirism.

Jack: And then there is the. Not ambrosia. Nectar, which is just liquid. It's drinking the blood. It's just drinking the blood. It's Jesus's preferred form. But although Jesus is very known for both. He likes ambrosia, he likes to consume the individual, and he likes to drink their blood, too.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or at least he's discovered is the most efficient combination. It doesn't look like he did ichor, but it looks like he gave people ichor.

Cristina: Yes. He loved sharing it.

Jack: Yes. Now, interesting point. The descriptions. I didn't think about this until right now. The descriptions that we went through about ichor, ambrosia and nectar make it seem like ichor is the valuable one because people who are normal can take it and die. It's super strong. But Jesus was giving people ick. Ichor, not adrenochrome or ambrosia. He was giving himself.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To them, which is ichor. Even if it's his flesh, that would look like ambrosia. No, he had adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Even if it's his blood that you would call nectar. No, he had adrenochrome. Everything he's given you is actually ichor.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Nobody's as powerful as Jesus. The combination of ambrosia and nectar is stronger than the distilled ichor, which is both of them together. And he was giving his blood as high up on the totem pole as you can get. And still ichor was not as good. Is it because who he is, he can just do it with these two and be as powerful and like somebody having something stronger can't catch up? Or is it that there is an actual better combination to be had with ichor and. Well, I mean, with nectar and ambrosia, then there is to be had with ichor. And he knows the trick to it.

Cristina: He probably knows the trick to it.

Jack: Well, he's also a unique being. Why wouldn't it be the other? Why wouldn't it be that? Just. It doesn't matter what anybody else consumes. He's always going to be spirit.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know my point?

Cristina: We don't know what he is is very unique. Yeah.

Jack: Very special. So, yeah, just, you know, food for thought. Okay, next on the list, we have. It's weird about those disembodied voices, by the way.

Cristina: So you heard those disembodied verses.

Jack: Yeah, we heard children and we heard voices. I never saw the kids. But you remember we were hearing kids laugh.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: By the way, important detail. This just so happens to be on the road to paradise.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which is where we heard the kids.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's why I was saying that this is, like, personal.

Cristina: Yeah, that's.

Jack: This is right on the road to paradise, where this has been reported, which is where we were when we heard the kids laughing. Well, first we heard the laughter and we couldn't make it out. And then we pulled on the side where the car just stopped turning on, and then we just started hearing.

Cristina: What is the car turning up or is that something else? I will talk about in the future.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. That was a weird one. I looked when. Because of hearing the disembodied voices. It made me think about the car turning off. And then I was like, when has this happened? And there aren't mentions of this anywhere. This is just a weird thing that happened. It could have just been that our car was s*******. That was weird time. It was a weird timing. Yes, but, like, what weird timing?

Cristina: What we are timing, I don't understand.

Jack: Like, I can't explain it. But then the other thing is, let's. Let's have a quick. Maybe we're not gonna make it to the end of this. And this part alone is gonna be too. But we have to address this next point because I think I'm about to say something that's gonna make a lot of sense here. We hear the kids laugh. We hear laughter. We get on the dirt road. We pull up to the side just to scare the guys, lower the windows. We start to hear kids actually laughing. We're like, oh, f***. Like we were just f****** around, bros. F*** this. We put the windows up, trying to turn the car on. Wasn't turning on. We finally get the car on and we drive into paradise. Do you remember what happens next?

Cristina: You see a sign.

Jack: Yeah. Deaf children.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then the. The. The F is slashed and a D is put over it.

Cristina: The children.

Jack: Yeah, but that's not even the important part. What happens in paradise?

Cristina: That's all I remember.

Jack: You don't remember what happens when we drive into paradise?

Cristina: You hear more children. No.

Jack: We tried to get out of paradise and we can't.

Cristina: Oh, yes. I don't know. Okay. Yeah. I don't know.

Jack: It's like you never remember anything I needed to remember. Not once. It's horrible. But we enter paradise and then we can't get out of paradise. Paradise is where we hear children. Paradise is where we hear laughter. Paradise is where the dead children sign is. Where did we enter when we went to paradise?

Cristina: Where did you enter? Some type of loop. Some type of time thing.

Jack: What else looks like a physical place on this side and is not supposed to be because it's a jumbled mess that somebody on this side wouldn't be able to navigate.

Cristina: I know I should know. I don't know.

Jack: I don't understand. What happens in your mind? Obviously the shadow realm, girl. It's the only thing that looks like a physical. I'm gonna just stop trying to get you guessing. It doesn't work ever. I just got to Tell you, showing you doesn't work. The shadow realm, like everything, its description is literally a physical earth place that looks like a jumbled mess of an example of a physical earth place. I don't know. I got to explain this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That is what it is. And we enter, we see distortions, we hear distortions and turning. Or we drove straight. We turn around and we're trying to drive straight out and the exit's gone weird. That sounds like the shadow realm. Now how the f*** would we have entered? Second, it looked absolutely normal to us. So could it have been?

Cristina: It could just be the whole veil example thing of like you're just. You're seeing it, but you're not actually in it. Like they're seeing you and you're. They're not actually there.

Jack: Then the straight line would have gotten us out.

Cristina: There must have been something messing with you as well. Like an actual thing.

Jack: Right. And how is it gonna change the shadow realm structure or our. How is it gonna change the physical space we're in?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: There's a huge issue right there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We go in, yeah, like three blocks in, do a 180, no turns, drive the same path we got there through. See? None of the same s***. And the f****** dirt road's gone.

Cristina: I don't know. Some of them have abilities. Maybe it was messing with you guys.

Jack: And we take hella turns through paradise. When we took no turns, we take mad turns in paradise trying to find our way out. And somewhere in a different corner entirely, we find a dirt road again. And then we find our way out after like 20 minutes of doing circles when we had only gone in a straight line, turned around, tried to do the same straight line back and just dead end, no road. So what was that? I've thought about that following some of this research, and I'm like, man, this.

Cristina: Isn'T match up with anything.

Jack: Doesn't match with anything. This is easily the shadow realm. Minus the fact that it couldn't be. Because how the f***. Unless these descriptions of the shadow realm, we are taking them too literally. And it's not a non physical place. We did see a jumbled mess of something we had just looked at that looked normal.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We saw the same place jumbled up.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Nothing else changed except we couldn't navigate it. And it seemed bigger after we'd gone in.

Cristina: Soon as you got scared, as soon as the car. As the kid, children and the car.

Jack: As soon as it all. Yes, we fell into something. Right.

Cristina: Fear happened. This really overwhelming fear probably happened at that moment for all.

Jack: From all four of us at the same time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then we panic, go on the road, and then we slip in. But then the argument would be, you don't need adrenochrome and Jesus did. There's something wrong here. There's a contradiction still going on.

Cristina: Because I don't think you're really in it, though.

Jack: I don't think so either. So then. Okay, so then what you're talking about might be the logical path that maybe even the judge didn't.

Cristina: Yeah, he saw. He saw a glimpse of it, or they.

Jack: He was literally interacting with people on the other side. And he met Ixchel, which then came out and went to Maya. They were literally something is. But we're onto something now because if we. You're totally right. All of this followed the fear. Let's recount the story. We drive in first. We see the guy in the robe, a black guy essentially walking around in a KKK robe. Weirdest sight ever. Okay. With a machete or a shotgun. Nobody was clear on which one he was holding. Everybody had a different story. We get far enough, we see the deer cut open. Okay. Panic, you know, Everybody like, what the f***? Yeah, we get far enough, we hear the laughter. We try to scare the guys, end up scaring ourselves because we hear the kids. We take the dirt road and suddenly the s*** spins out of control and we're nowhere. But we're everywhere. Because the one road we took disappeared and now we're just in this mess and we can't get out. And then the road showed up somewhere else entirely. Maybe you're right and we're just seeing it because again, it doesn't make sense that they could see us and we can't see them. I think it's a notch where the more you turn it, the more both sides are close together. Not one side to this side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we're slowly more and more seeing.

Cristina: But you're not physically there. I'm not physically there seeing.

Jack: Now, in this instance, there is an interesting. This contradiction could then be resolved because when they're talking about the shadow or on being a non physical place, they are talking about getting there non physically through fear, through these other means that allows you to interact with that space without entering that space.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, okay. Yes.

Jack: And then there's a way to actually enter and be in the space which requires totally different means. In this scenario now we can apply the things that we didn't mention about necromancers. What are they really good at? Even if they don't cross. They're good at bridging communication. They're good at bringing things from that side over. They're good at interacting with things on that side, even if they don't go in. So they know how to turn the dial that allows them to f*** with things on that side without being on that side, which I would argue is stronger, more overpowered than having to be on that side. Additionally, if you have a Philosopher's Stone that has the ability to violate those rules, could you, in theory, use the Philosopher's Stone to make a sort of external shell that would allow you to enter without falling apart? Hence their ability to traverse and not be simultaneously. Like a suit made of. Think of Green Lantern puts the ring on and a green energy goes over his body. And now he can manipulate this energy. What if what's happening that's happens with the Philosopher's Stone? And I could use the Philosopher's Stone, create this energy around me, and just slip into the Shadow Realm without needing adrenochrome. Without the energy, I would just die over there or pop up over here, but I can literally be there without consuming adrenochrome. Now, Jesus didn't have Philosopher's stones. He went to acquire them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now we have a reason why he needs to die.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Maybe he didn't know how to make it. As overpowered as he is, he went to acquire them. Different.

Cristina: That's so weird that he didn't know how to. Because he knew how to make the Gates. The person who taught him how to make the Gates would know how to make it. Make a philosopher stone. Yeah, well, maybe Jesus wasn't into having to mass murder people.

Jack: Yeah. And he knew these things already exist. Let them kill me and I'll go get the stones, because I'm gonna be fine.

Cristina: Yeah. Mm. He just. He's just different.

Jack: He's just different. He. Look, he. His. Everybody who's ever talked about him said the same thing. He was preaching kindness the whole time. Regardless of what they saw him do or how they saw him do it. A lot of people were like, he did some pretty diabolical looking s***.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But attached to that, did he hurt anybody? Well, no, he did a bunch of diabolical s***. But he kind of just told us all to be kind to each other.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like fair.

Cristina: He's making an army. And his army aren't being forced to be his army. They're choosing to be his army. Whether it's from the Shadow Realm or it's us humans.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And you're just, we're on his side. They're on his side.

Jack: I mean, when your argument is be kind and stop anybody who's not, it's like, f***. I mean, yeah, bro. And look, I'll give you powers to do it. Oh, s***. You're gonna give me powers to be kind and stop anybody who's not. That's.

Cristina: The only people he wants to get rid of are the sea people, though. Like, that's clear.

Jack: And like, let's be fair as we've dug in deep into this, like, kind of. Yeah. It makes sense. Look, even if Jehovah's on the side of the people, like, you guys just ultimately only want them alive so you can keep running experiments.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You're like, don't let the civilization fall apart. We need to kill them for stones.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, so ultimately that puts us back on Lucifer side. Right? Where he's like, give them tech so they could reach us. You're gonna kill them anyways.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Let those that can do it do it.

Cristina: Except that they couldn't.

Jack: Doesn't matter if they're gonna be massacred anyways. To make a stone. Give somebody a chance.

Cristina: Yeah, that's true. Okay.

Jack: This is all right, dude. I understand why the. The Lucifer, Jehovah problem is huge. Because it's, like, flopping back and forth.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: One of these guys is somehow right, or it's so nuanced that they're both right and wrong.

Cristina: Yes. I think that's more the most truthful.

Jack: Because in Jehovah's eyes, they're gonna die anyways, bro. I'm like, let's give them purpose. Let's let them their lives be used to improve the world. While Lucifer's argument is give them the choice. Let them choose what happens if it collapses. It was their choice, not yours.

Cristina: Yes. It's pretty good.

Jack: Like, f***, give them purpose. They're ignorant. Both of them are on point. Give them purpose. They are ignorant and they're gonna self destruct. Don't let them die meaninglessly. You give them this technology. They can't handle it. They will die meaninglessly and haven't gotten nothing. Which we see many relics from civilizations that are kind of Lucifer's fault. But he gave them a chance to make their choice. Jehovah is all about taking that choice.

Cristina: Away because he thinks that's safer.

Jack: He thinks it's better and more noble. Use them for something that they would be proud of. If they looked back. If they looked back a thousand years and thought, oh, I died in this moment, but all of human history improved because of my sacrifice. They would. His logic at least is they'd be happy.

Cristina: And what is Jesus point of view?

Jack: F*** both of them. Both of them. Don't give people technology so that they blow up and kill themselves and don't sacrifice people. Leave them alone.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which, like, okay, when? That's the third argument. Kind of f*** those two other guys. Yeah, that's legit. We can move slowly. It's fine. We don't need to f****** flash forward a million years instantly and then collapse because we couldn't deal with it. And we don't need some other guy sacrificing us to accomplish the same f****** thing. Yes, maybe f*** both of them and just let people do what they're gonna do if we kill ourselves.

Cristina: At least it was us.

Jack: At least it was us. No interference.

Cristina: Yeah, okay.

Jack: In that argument. Yeah. Jesus.

Cristina: Oh, all right.

Jack: It's a lot of sides and, like, nobody's right or wrong until you put Jesus in the mix. And I was like, well, that m************ are wrong.

Cristina: Yeah, well, yeah, he's pro human, so.

Jack: He'S pro human regardless. Even if the other two are technically pro human. It's a lot like leftists trying to decrease criminal sentences for people who. A black judge gave them a really large sentence and then they go to prison for this really long time. But leftists are like, that's unjust and blah, blah, blah. And then they go ahead and force a different judge to decrease the sentence and the guy gets out of prison and he gets murdered a week later. And then we truly go and talk to the people who understand, not just feel like they're gonna help. Oh, I want to help. I want to help. But you're ignorant. You're stupid. You don't know the situation. We go and talk to somebody on ground level. Well, the judge is families of the gang that's in the prison, and that guy is a neighborhood friend. He increased the sentence so that he goes to that prison specifically and is protected there. He was gonna stay alive in prison. You guys got him out and he got killed. That's Jehovah and Lucifer being helpful leftists.

Cristina: Jehovah and Lucifer or Peter trying to save animals but then killing dogs.

Jack: Yes. The same logic of, you're not being helpful, you're just thinking you're being helpful.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that's a very leftist ideology. So we can just throw Lucifer and Jehovah in the leftists and say, you're kind of ignorant. You think you're helping, but you're not on the ground level. Knowing what the people want.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You go to Jesus. Jesus is just asking people. Yeah. He's just like, I know why that guy went to prison on a really high sentence. He asked a judge for it. And you ignorant f**** don't know that Jesus is the guy who knows. He talks to the people. He's like, what do you guys want? Well, we just want to live our lives.

Cristina: He was forced to be with the people.

Jack: Yes. That's. That's literally Jehovah and Lucifer's fault.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: They made the problem that stopped them.

Cristina: Yes. That's really interesting.

Jack: They literally made him in a labor, and then they were like, f*** that guy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And threw him to the people.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So the people were like, well, he's one of us, and he grew up as one of them. And they treated him right until. Who f***** him? The f****** people working with the Elysians.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: The Church came after him, huh? Even more incentive. F*** that. Let's work these a******* into my plan so I can f*** him more.

Cristina: Beautiful.

Jack: LinkedIn. Yeah. Sacrifice me. Totally, man. Kill me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then he enters and goes. He took it from Lucifer, bro. Even if these two guys didn't agree, they were still eye to eye on the people. We need them for something. He just used Jehovah and his disdain for Lucifer. Got himself killed to enter, rob Lucifer, and then get back to Earth Realm knowing these two guys aren't gonna work together.

Cristina: No. Yeah, I guess.

Jack: Divide and conquer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: F****** 3D chess, bro. I mean, 4D chess.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Okay. Weird one. I didn't know this next one originated here. I was looking to see if this came from somewhere else, but this actually comes from the New England era of the United States, which is. The Headless Horseman is a New Jersey Clinton Road thing.

Cristina: Yeah, it is.

Jack: I had no f****** idea that that originated over here.

Cristina: Yeah, it did.

Jack: In fact, I would have thought that this was, like, an Eng type of ghost.

Cristina: There's a lot of ghosts that actually were from around here.

Jack: Yeah. No, we are in weird land.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We're in a really hot spot.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Weird. New Jersey is legit.

Cristina: It is it. That's why.

Jack: Yeah. No, we are in some crazy hotspot. I had no idea. I thought the Headless Horseman was significantly older and, like, by default had to be some, like, European thing. Yeah, no, that is just a Jersey thing.

Cristina: It's a Jersey thing. Yeah.

Jack: It got taken and showed up in a million places. But, no, that's. That's us. That's a Jersey thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, this is described as a humanoid that looks kind of like a shadow that doesn't seem to have a head in the way we would describe. And he's on something that we would compare to a horse, but doesn't necessarily look like a horse. This tells us a couple of things. It's a jinn of some sort. And he looks kind of human, but he wouldn't look perfectly human. That makes no sense.

Cristina: So it's a creature from somewhere else writing a creature from somewhere else.

Jack: It would be the people of the shadow realm, the gym, and whatever their horse equivalent is.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And based on everything else we know of the area. Now, there's a weird one. He doesn't f*** with people. Doesn't f*** with people. He's just not an echo. He is responsive. And here's the weird thing about this, right? People have yelled at him, and he'll stop and look like, turn his torso.

Cristina: Towards him and just gonna say, like, how.

Jack: You know, just turn and, like, wait. Like, he's just a dude. It seems like just a dude.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And he's like, okay. They, you know, people from the other side saw me. Let's, you know, let them have their moment or whatever. I'll stop here and let them roll by. Oh, they saw ghosts, whatever.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And it's like, it looks like he's not f****** with people. He's not doing it. He's just there and people see him. People have, oh, my God. The headless. And then he just, you know, he'll stop and kind of behaves like a. Like if he's a tourist attraction.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, like, yeah, they're looking at me. Let me stop. And so he's very known for just stopping. He's very known for, like, approaching. But this. These descriptions are where it gets very informative because this falls in line with all the other things we saw of the things that interact. If you look at the truck, if you look at the children, proximity makes them vanish. But in his description, it's something very different. What, he gets close and gets more translucent. Yeah. So, like, really far away. It looks like whatever particles hold him together are denser together. But the closer he gets is like. If you were shrinking and looking at atoms more and more, everything would kind of look more far apart, more far apart. If you were the size of an atom, you wouldn't see two things touching ever. There'd be no body. There's no such thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Sort of that same thing. The closer he gets, the more through him. You could see.

Cristina: What does that mean, though?

Jack: I don't know. So when he's maybe 20ft away, he's so hard to make out. But he's there, and you know he's there. It's like closer than that, you know, you can't tell he's there anymore, but he's not. And that's closest. F***. By the way, 20ft is nuts. But. So he's fully aware you're there. And, you know, he. I did it. I tried to find if maybe his voices come from him or if he waves or something, like the kids. Yeah, none of that. But he is fully aware that people come through.

Cristina: You know, just sense that he. He notices you.

Jack: He. Well, people see him, and I guess he would hear them or see them himself. Because if we assume that there's a notch and you see him as much as he sees you, then he's aware. There's one road. There's one road. Anybody who is on the other side and wants to interact with humans, they know where the humans are. They're on the road.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so it really. These descriptions. Not that anywhere says what I'm saying, that he's behaving like a tourist attraction. But if you were to tell me to describe what's happening, he's behaving like a tourist attraction. He knows all those people entertained, want to be scared or whatever. I'm not gonna scare them too much because there are things out here.

Cristina: But he does like that fear. Probably a little bit.

Jack: Maybe he does cruise by the road. Honest.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Quote horse unquote. But he doesn't mess with people and he doesn't chase people or anything. It just. Maybe he's just interested in humans. And it's like, oh, cool spot where you can see humans. You know, it's possible.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which would. It totally has to be. I'm thinking the kids. There's no park there. I think the kids just like playing close to the road because they might see humans.

Cristina: Yeah. It might still be the fear thing of like, oh, we're gonna get something out of here, even if we're not gonna try anything. But we just know just being here.

Jack: Just being here, we'll see them, we'll.

Cristina: See them and we'll get something.

Jack: I don't think it's about getting something. I think it's about. Because why they're not getting anything. You use the fear to get to this side to then get adrenochrome. They're not doing anything. They're not getting to the side to hurt People, they're just kind of chilling there. The kids are just chilling there. Yeah, the horseman's just chilling there.

Cristina: And the trucker guy.

Jack: The trucker guy's with people.

Cristina: He's.

Jack: He's looking for something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I think that guy was from this side. It's a truck. Yeah, that guy was from this side. And he just doesn't want to lose it. And he's like, I'd rather they lose it than me. But the kids don't have that. They just. Kids and they wave and, you know, hey, cool, whatever.

Cristina: And the horse, man.

Jack: The horseman is the same. He's just, you know, they're cool people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's weird, but there are peaceful ghosts here. I'm not even ghosts. They're just gin, man.

Cristina: But he's from that specific area. He's not from somewhere else in New Jersey. He's from Clinton Road.

Jack: Literally, from Clinton Road. It looks like there is on the other side, some civilization.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's possible that that civilization is based on paradise, because that's where the jumbled mess began. On the flip side. On the flip side, there have been stories of people going on a straight line. There's nothing but Clinton Road as long as you don't turn.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And somehow leaving how they came in. So it could just somehow turn on you.

Cristina: Clinton Road.

Jack: Clinton Road. People have gone in a straight line 10 miles before you exit back to lights. People have gone in one line.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And found the exit through which they came in.

Cristina: That's right.

Jack: Without ever turning. So fear could be f****** with the surroundings.

Cristina: Okay. There is something just weird, naturally, about.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Clinton Road itself.

Jack: And so because we went to a place with mad turns, even if we didn't take a turn, we multiply the fact that you can go in a straight line and exit the same entrance by the fact that there's like 30 turns in paradise. And now we have a road that could be anywhere.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Very strange. Now, this next one is very literal because people describe it as this way, which is shadow people. Everything else they have not described as shadow people. This one, they literally use the word shadow people. Dark, human like figures seen darting between the trees, often in peripheral vision, which. Yes, that's just shadow people.

Cristina: That's great.

Jack: The thing is, this is the most reported sighting of something that seems to be responsive people. Look, they scatter away. I think there's a civilization. I think that that area has. And I think, based on what we're reading right now and what you said, that maybe the experiment isn't even in the future. Maybe it was on the other side.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And it seems like there's a civilization on the other side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It could just be something that happened, you know, not even that long ago.

Cristina: It just happens over there.

Jack: Just happens over there. Could be. Doesn't have to be in the future. Could just be on the other side. It's folding everything together.

Cristina: Yes. And they just see shadow people.

Jack: Just shadow people casually running around, just living life. Okay. Pine Baron's Devil. Occasional sightings of a creature resembling the Jersey Devil in the denser parts of the forest. And that's very simply a creature from the shadow realm.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: But is it the same? They're saying it's like the other one. It's not the same as the Jersey Devil.

Jack: They're saying it's almost identical.

Cristina: It's almost identical.

Jack: It might be the same creature type and, like, be in a different area.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: No, that's the least weird thing here. I think it's just a creature. It's like seeing a wetchange or some s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, oh, my God, it's a demon. It's like. I mean, that's as close as raw. Nicka Run.

Cristina: It's just wild animal somewhere else.

Jack: Like a really wide. It's like if you see a wet shudge, that's like coming across a grizzly bear.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Get those f*** out. No. H*** no. Get the f*** out of there. That s***'ll flip your car, bro. Eyes in the darkness. This is definitely, most likely gin. Again, the glowing eyes. These are just probably. We're seeing light glares on Jinn and we just so happen to be seeing the Djinn simultaneously. My idea is described as glowing eyes watching from the woods at night.

Cristina: That's pretty creepy. But yeah. Yeah.

Jack: If it's just being observed and you're seeing through the thin veil and they're looking at you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Unseen forces which are. Again, feeling like one is being pushed or pulled. And that's. That could just easily be things coming through, walking by. And like in parts where the veil is thin but still not perfectly gone so that you can like, oh, wow, something just pushed me to the side. Oh, my God. There's something out here messing. And they're just walking by, but they don't see you. You don't see them, and you just touch and you're like, what the was that?

Cristina: I think that's. That's a good thing.

Jack: And it's actually one of the most described things happening. And it always happens on the main road. Anybody Gets out of their vehicle for any reason, they're usually like, what the.

Cristina: You didn't go out on the main road?

Jack: Yes, I didn't feel as though.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: We got out of the car. I got out of the car to look at the deer. I got out of the car to see why the car wasn't turning on. And I got out of the weeds. I just don't give a. If I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die. It is what it is.

Cristina: But you didn't see any eyes, though.

Jack: I didn't see any eyes. I saw the deer, the black guy in the KKK outfit. I saw the. I heard the children separate to the laughter. That wasn't necessarily children.

Cristina: Yeah, but you didn't see whatever.

Jack: No, I didn't see eyes, didn't see shadows or any of that stuff.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But the weird moving roads and changing turns, that's pretty strange. And the fact that all of us saw that is weird. Minus Nunez, because from Nunez point of view, it was. We were just sitting and he just saw all of us go catatonic for a moment, which is. His story is worse than all of our stories. Yes, we all experience being somewhere, but now we have to unpack this because he says we pull over and we never get. We. He never saw the dirt road. He never saw paradise. We pull over, the car doesn't turn on. And from his point of view, all of us just sat there and thought really hard about what to do for a while. From our point of view, while that was happening, how the f*** do we get out of this mess we're in? Meanwhile, he's the only quiet one with us. We're just thinking, you know, nuna doesn't fear things. He's a special kind of person. He doesn't feel fear the way we do. So, you know, he's just quiet, watching us scramble.

Cristina: I don't know. That changes everything.

Jack: That changes everything because this falls into what you were saying about the judge. Did the judges go unconscious somewhere and his. Some other thing was in the shadow realm? Yes, because he says, we were just frozen in place, thinking. We say, bro, we were lost for like 30 minutes, homie. What do you mean you saw nothing? The three of us versus the one of you, bro, this is a different argument you're having.

Cristina: But is he right?

Jack: But is he right?

Cristina: I don't know. That's. That's really good. I don't know. That's so strange. That's just so out there. I don't know.

Jack: It's f****** Weird, bro. It's really strange. I don't know what to. There's a lot of complications here.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Here is something that I believe is the veil thinning, which is melting trees that appear to melt or distort adding to the surreal landscape. I think this is just sort of the warped nature of the shadow realm being seen on this side. I think that's just areas where the notch is way turned up and we're just seeing what that side looks like.

Cristina: That's pretty cool.

Jack: My note for that was just likely trees in the shadow realm different than the wandering shadows in the forest. There are eerie shadows that move independent of sound, independent of structure, and independent of physical motion. This is strange because what they mean by independent of normal physical motion is they can go vertically and horizontally but in a walking human fashion.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like they'll just be walking and sort of like walking up into the sky suddenly.

Cristina: Because they're probably going up a building or something.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: We just can't see it.

Jack: We don't see the building. We see the shadow.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because they're the living thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we don't see the structure.

Cristina: Kind of makes sense. Yeah.

Jack: Wow.

Cristina: It's weird. It would be weird to see, but it might make sense over there.

Jack: Yes. Informed enough. It's not disturbing to us because it seems like. Yeah, there's probably a structure there that we can't interact with. And it's just going up some stairs or something.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not that crazy. Okay.

Jack: Which then goes and supports again that there's buildings here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which supports that there's a civilization in around Clinton Road. Shifting paths. Which is the problem we faced.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that is the literal story I was getting to about people going in a straight line and then exiting directly where they came straight through. That's shifting paths.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Us entering Paradise Road. Paradise Road disappearing behind us. And us just being in Paradise Town and not finding the road horrifying. Until it's suddenly just, hey, it's somewhere else apparently. Let's exit. And somehow it still took us to Clinton Road back. It's like this was. We didn't take any turns. We took a turn to get here now. And it still took us to the same place. What the f***?

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know. Yeah.

Jack: Mysterious footprints.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: Footprints that just begin and stop in the middle of a trail without a beginning point or an ending point. I think this just falls into more shadow realm stuff.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Maybe this is a spot where the notch is particularly turned up and we can start to see them literally affecting our physical space. And then they get. Get far from whatever's causing that anomaly. And then we no longer see the footprints. They kept walking on their side, didn't just disappear on their end, but the veil is thinner, is more tight elsewhere. And it's thinner in this spot.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that's my theory for that.

Cristina: I think so. It's not that crazy.

Jack: I think this next one falls a lot with the kids, which is ghostly campers which seem to be around the road. These people just hanging around the road, camping. You oftentimes even see tents. Apparitions in campers setting up tents around fires near the road. But they don't look human.

Cristina: They don't look human.

Jack: They look like shadows. Even with light present weird. And proximity. When somebody goes to see these campers, they aren't there anymore. Even with the fire burning. You get closer and the fire itself starts to dim, dim, dim until there's nothing camping. I think they're camping by the sea. I think they're being just as much as we're on this side. Oh, Clinton Road. This attraction, Horseman's Traveling. The kids are chilling there because it's entertaining and fun. People are camping by this road.

Cristina: Yes. I wonder if they see ghosts like we see echoes. Like, it's still an interesting spot to hunt for echoes or find echoes to them.

Jack: Maybe they're finding the same thing. Yeah. Distortions from their path.

Cristina: Yeah. Like they think that's as cool as we find it cool. And that's why we go there.

Jack: 100. It could totally 1000% be based on these comparisons. There are people just chilling here, trying to see the same things we're doing.

Cristina: Yeah. So, yeah. It's probably even weirder. Whatever they're seeing is probably even weirder than what we're saying.

Jack: I mean, maybe not for them. Maybe like, you know, we hear about ghosts and, oh, my God, this place is haunted. And we see an old guy pushing a wheelbarrow and it's like, all right, well, they see a wet shud, John. A loop. And it's like, to us, I would look nuts. But to them it's just like, oh, yeah, the echo of the wolf. You know, the wolf died.

Cristina: Entertaining enough for them to want to hang out in that spot, though.

Jack: Yeah. They're trying to get themselves scared.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like, oh, wow. Cool.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: It feels. It really, really just feels like they're people, bro. Like they're really gin. Even in text. Seem to just be people.

Cristina: I think so over there. Yes.

Jack: They're not bad people. There are bad people. There are some who are bad, but we got humans who are bad.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You know? Yes. There's a dude in a truck also. I would argue that guy's just a human on that side.

Cristina: Possibly.

Jack: Yeah. The truck part kind of makes that argument pretty strong.

Cristina: Yeah, I think so.

Jack: Yeah, exactly like the truck. They're not building trucks over there, bro. Come on. And then the final note on this is the floating lanterns, which again supports this again of. They're usually by the road in the woods.

Cristina: They're just hanging out.

Jack: Just hanging out, bro. They're chilling, they're seeing, they're doing what we're doing. Except they don't have cars. That's it. They're just doing what we're doing.

Cristina: Yeah, that's just them hanging out, I think. Yeah. There's weird stuff happening over there. Like over here. Yes. And so it's an attraction to them too.

Jack: Now, a random point to toss in about my personal experience with, with the guy in the robe. I thought he had a machete, not a shotgun. And what we saw was a deer open. If that deer was horrified enough. And this guy knew what he was doing. He was trying to get to the other side, wasn't he? He was by himself trying to get.

Cristina: To the other side and he just killed some s***.

Jack: And he opened it. He wasn't covered in blood. It was just opened. Yeah, this guy probably took some organs out, Ambros. Just spitballing. I don't know. But you're in the right place.

Cristina: You're in the right place for sure.

Jack: You're in the right place. If ever there was a maybe you're just trying to communicate. We know that the Vikings did that. They consumed a crap ton until they started hearing voices. And then those voices started guiding them and they turned it into a place that they could just casually walk there and interact with, quote the gods, unquote. Yes, the gods knew where to go and they knew where to go to just effortlessly interact with one another. Which, by the way, in theory, we could still do that today. We would just require killing a s*** ton of people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But in theory, we could have a perfect, in sync, one to one communication with the other side. And I think we don't need to make it. I think maybe that exists somewhere in Clinton Road already and that somebody might know it. You know where I think it is, and I think we all think it's in the same f****** place. It's in the castle.

Cristina: Okay. Are we gonna get to the Castle.

Jack: We're gonna get to that castle.

Cristina: Okay, cool.

Jack: Yeah. The next part is about three times as long as these two parts and is the one I called significant. These are the things that are obviously something to look at. Everything else we talked about in this episode and last episode. Interesting.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And for last episode. Yeah, for last episode was definitely the most important because we got things to look at. For this side, there's less to look at, although there's still some things to look at. Mainly not things here. But what this made us think of. Yes, next time, I believe 100% of that we have to look at, but we'll get to that. Anyways, as usual, if you guys have any input, any additional information or anything you could think about, feel free to contact us about it.

Cristina: Tell us.

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Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal. Thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: Sam.

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June 15, 2024

Rambling 277: The Winchester House

June 15, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Who was Sarah Lockwood? What is the Winchester House? And what purpose does any of this serve? The duo go back to investigating individual cases and crack open the case of the Winchester House. A mysterious and strange mansion with odd circumstances surrounding it. The discovery made turns out to be more relevant than could have ever been anticipated!!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Sarah Lockwood
Geometric Patterns
Mazes
William Winchester
The Seance Room

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. How have you been?

Cristina: Hot.

Jack: It's been hot. You know, the Earth has been hotter. Hotter than usual. Too Hot. It's been painfully hot, I would say.

Cristina: Painfully hot.

Jack: Yeah. It's been global warming, except not because it's climate change. And some places are technically colder. Okay, so rephrasing it to climate change. We're changing the climate. Except we're not, because the climate is always changing. This has nothing to do with anything. I am just ranting. All right, anyways, so I have some images for you to look at, and I want you to just describe what you're seeing in these images, okay?

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: This is just how we're going to start it.

Jack: This is just how we're going to start it. I want you to look at some image of cosas.

Cristina: If I don't know what I'm looking.

Jack: At, that's totally fine. Go ahead and describe to everybody what you're looking at.

Cristina: A big house.

Jack: Describe this big house.

Cristina: It kind of looks like a puzzle type of house because it's all over the place.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: So just boxes here and there. Look at that one down there. Unless. Is that a car? No, that's a house.

Jack: No, this is. That's a room. Yeah. No, this is big. You're looking at something here.

Cristina: It looks like there's a maze in the house. Is it the Resident Evil mansion?

Jack: Interesting. Okay, what else do you see? Point other things out.

Cristina: Palm trees. Are those palm trees? I think that's what palm trees look like.

Jack: Yeah, that's a type of palm tree, for sure.

Cristina: The house is yellow with red. Red tops.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: I guess. Except some of them are flat. I don't know. It looks like multiple buildings that are just connected to each other with littler buildings.

Jack: Okay, interesting. Interesting, yes.

Cristina: Something like. I don't know, what's the original house there? And maybe like it was just one house, and then they just added onto it over the years.

Jack: Fascinating. Okay. Okay, keep talking. I like where you're going with this.

Cristina: They have a huge. I don't know, it looks. It's huge. It's huge.

Jack: It is f****** huge. But I think you could also probably identify the original house in there.

Cristina: You think so?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Is it the first. The little first section? You'd guess it would be that.

Jack: The bigger first section, right?

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. Although, like, that looks like a complete house right back there. Like, there's the first. The second one. You see that little box there?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That looks like added on stuff, but all the way back there. Looks like a mansion itself.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: But. But it's connected though.

Jack: So. Good guess. Is actually this part and that part that were original.

Cristina: Oh, okay. What?

Jack: That's really on the nose. We'll scroll down to the next one, which is actually a different angle of it.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. It's a bigger mess than you can see. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: The original.

Cristina: That's the original.

Jack: And you can see the back house.

Cristina: Oh, what is this, though? It's huge. It's like five blocks, eight blocks.

Jack: What is it huge? It is one of the largest mansions in the world.

Cristina: Where is it?

Jack: We'll get to that.

Cristina: It has palm trees, but then it has regular trees behind it. So the palm trees were taken there. Like it's not a natural palm tree or. It is.

Jack: No. Oh, okay. Yeah. Wow. Okay. On point. On point. Yes, it is.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Interesting, interesting. Okay, now let's take a look inside. What do you see here? Huh?

Cristina: I don't know. We're looking at a basement. I don't know.

Jack: Right, right. Tell me more about the stairs.

Cristina: Is there something off with the stairs? I don't know.

Jack: You don't see something off about the stairs?

Cristina: I'm not sure. It's the. What's above the stairs? Looks odd. Like we're not. I don't know. No, I don't know. Because that's just doors in the bottom. Right?

Jack: In the bottom?

Cristina: Yeah. Is that not the bottom? The top of the picture is the bottom of the stairs?

Jack: No, that's the top of the stairs.

Cristina: That's the top of the stairs.

Jack: Yeah. You can see because this is a little lift at the bottom of the stairs with the shadow underneath it. Oh.

Cristina: Because it looks like.

Jack: Yeah, no, you're right.

Cristina: It looks weird. It looks like a door. Like you're entering the room.

Jack: Yeah, it looks like a staircase going into a door. But that's the ceiling.

Cristina: That's the ceiling.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: But then how would you. So it's just a hole up there.

Jack: That's not even a door. It just looks like a door.

Cristina: It just looks like a door.

Jack: Yeah, the staircase goes nowhere. That staircase literally has no direction.

Cristina: What is it up there that we're looking at?

Jack: A ceiling.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Designed to look like a door. This is a ceiling.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Okay, here is another Image. What do you see?

Cristina: Another stairs. We're in a. This is some kind of maze. This has to be some kind of maze. I don't understand.

Jack: What are you looking at?

Cristina: It says exit and the stairs. And the stairs are going up to like nothing or a teeny tiny room. I don't know. Is it a tiny room up there?

Jack: Right. And once before the stairs going up.

Cristina: More stairs going up but the other direction.

Jack: So stairs going down.

Cristina: Oh, that stairs going down.

Jack: See, it's going down, its stairs going down, then stairs going up.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess.

Jack: Yeah, that stairs going down, then up again.

Cristina: RV And I don't understand why is there so many stairs? Because it looks like other stairs going up right in the corner. Yeah.

Jack: Stairs up, up and then stairs down. Not sure why.

Cristina: Why? And then is there anything else happening there? I don't know. Is that a window? That's a window, yeah.

Jack: Last one. What do you see in this one?

Cristina: I see a room that's has nothing in it. It has a window that's way small and long. A closet that looks.

Jack: That's not a window, that's a door.

Cristina: Window that up there, that's a window.

Jack: What up. We're here.

Cristina: Yeah, I'm not talking about the door yet.

Jack: No, it's not a window either. Or I guess. Oh, fair enough. Yes, that's a window. That's a window into another room.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. Because. Okay. And the door that's open looks like there's another door behind it. But also it's super high up from the floor.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Like it would be really annoying to get out of the room. And the room is empty for some reason.

Jack: Yes. What else?

Cristina: I'm not sure. Hangers on the wall and I don't know. The closet looks like a normal closet. I don't know. Plus that's just another door to another room.

Jack: An average everyday closet.

Cristina: Yeah, maybe.

Jack: Okay, describe to me what you've just seen. Put it all together in your mind. What's going on?

Cristina: It's. I don't know, someone with too much money and too much time making a maze. It looks like an indoor maze. It looks like Willy Wonka's mansion. It looks like, I don't know, Hogwarts. I don't know what's happening.

Jack: I'm gonna go into more detail. So you saw a maze. How was the maze built? Where does the maze come from? What can you extrapolate just by looking at it?

Cristina: Does it come from now where does it come from?

Jack: Fair enough. But like what what is fresh in your memory about what you just saw? What points stand out? If you were to summarize, having looked at these images, what are your bullet points?

Cristina: Okay. Besides that. It's some type of maze. It was made over time.

Jack: It was made over time because of.

Cristina: All the new parts to it.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Has made it more complicated. Which is probably why there's some stairs that go to no thing and some that go to, I don't know.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Then there's. There's a lot upstairs going nowhere. And for some reason, that one, that last room with a really high upstair step to get out of it. Like why?

Jack: Why Fact.

Cristina: Does someone actually live there? I don't feel like. Like you. There's too much money that you have to be living there.

Jack: Somebody doesn't live there anymore.

Cristina: They were living in there.

Jack: They were living in.

Cristina: Making this mess.

Jack: Yes. So let me begin telling you about what you just saw.

Cristina: Good. What?

Jack: We'll begin at part one. The widow. So let me tell you about this widow Rich.

Cristina: Widow Rich.

Jack: A widow. Her name is Sarah. She goes by Sally. Her last name is Lockwood. And Sarah Lockwood was named after her grandma, you know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Is that important?

Jack: I'm telling you about Sarah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Anything I tell you matters because I'm telling you. So eat it. Whether or not you think it matters, because I don't care if you think it matters.

Cristina: It does matter though.

Jack: It's information.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: About Sarah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Lockwood.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Yeah. And Sarah Lockwood was a widow. Sarah Lockwood became a widow eventually because of the situation that happened. Sarah was born in 1839 in New Haven, Connecticut. The Old west, you know, the American Old West. And Sarah married when she was 62 years. That's not 62 years. Crazy. She was in her 30s. 1862 is what I meant to say. How old was she too? I don't know. Let's find out. She was born in 1839 and she got married in 1862. So she was 30? No, she was 20. What?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She got married at 21. She gave birth to a still, but not a stillborn daughter, but a daughter that died within a year because the life expectancy of the time at that point. Okay, so she had a baby and her baby didn't make it. Sarah's baby had died. And it haunts her because it haunts her psyche because she's traumatized. Question mark.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so her husband had done died. He dropped dead. I guess I should be doing this with a western accent because I'm talking about the old West.

Cristina: How long after the baby?

Jack: I don't know necessarily when she had that baby to begin with. That's just more of a detail about her life. Telling you about Sarah, telling you details.

Cristina: About what was her job. Tell me about something about her, though.

Jack: I'm telling you things about her. Just let me keep revealing things. I told you the details that seem to be relevant to some degree.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Sarah, she, like I told you, been done married. And eventually her husband died. And her husband died in 1881. It wasn't good times for Sarah when he died. Her husband. What the h*** was her husband's name? I done forgot her husband's name. Oh, his name was William.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She was married to a saw William. He wasn't a sir. I'm just saying that because I was cool and fancy. Yeah, he was a Mr. William. Why the did we adopt sirness here in the United States of America?

Cristina: What was his last name?

Jack: His last name is the right question. Finally. His last name is. It's interesting because I figured you would ask his last name. I don't know why I thought you would ask specifically his last name, but I know you would. It's Winchester. His last name is Winchester. Which makes Sarah Lockwood's second last name and thus her entire full name. Sarah Lockwood Winchester. And as you know, the Winchester name has some interesting ideas behind it that have been exploited over time.

Cristina: Gun. There's a gun, right?

Jack: There is a Winchester gun. Yeah, there are. It's a revolver. A Winchester.45 Magnum revolver. The best.45 Magnum revolver.

Cristina: Does that somehow relate to the guy? He is his family. Just his family.

Jack: So this is part of the era where people were named after what they did for a living. And Winchester was the name of the company he worked for. He got his name for working for the Winchester Repeating Arms Company.

Cristina: Oh, okay. And what do they do?

Jack: They sell repeating rifles.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It's the Winchester Repeating Arms Company. I don't know what more specific they tried really to be super absurdly specific with that. Winchester, which is the name of the people. Assuming there was a guy actually named Winchester that's unrelated to this new guy named Winchester because of how norms work back then. No, he's one of them Winchester boys. And that really just meant you worked for the Winchester Company. Okay, now Winchester boys last name. But back then it wasn't. And yeah, so he worked for that place.

Cristina: Did he die from a Winchester gun? How did he die?

Jack: Who cares? He died. He died anyways. When he died, he left his widow, Sarah, with quite the fortune. A lot. A lot of money. So much money. Because he had a pretty big chunk of that company. Was there a while. He's one of the original founders money.

Cristina: So then he wasn't named because of what he does.

Jack: No, he wasn't. He was. He was. He wasn't one of the original founders. I have no idea. He was some guy in the company. But he had a lot of money. And no, he wasn't an original founder's lie.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: And he gave her all that money when he died. And so now Sarah Lockwood Winchester is loaded and she gets arthritis.

Cristina: She joins the call.

Jack: And when she gets arthritis, she goes to her doctor. That's how she knows she's got arthritis. You're developing arthritis. You're becoming an old hang. And she was like, yeah, I'm in my 40s. I'm almost dead.

Cristina: She hasn't had any more children.

Jack: No, she's a widow. You don't do that. You stay widow and sad forever. That's your job.

Cristina: I mean, but like, they only tried once.

Jack: Yeah. And then failed. So she is a failure. In her womb is barren and she's a owl. Because that's how it works. It's them times. Except he died and now she's a rich barren.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, she's still a barren, but a lot of money landed on her lap. So she could be a rich baron b****.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Although she was probably totally fine having the kid, but, you know, also child. But she didn't not. She wasn't barren.

Cristina: So she never has children that could.

Jack: Die after she gave.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: She wasn't bad.

Cristina: Like it's possible that she could have had.

Jack: Probably treating her like she was barren. Anyways. Her kid.

Cristina: Okay, so she garbage has no children.

Jack: She has no children.

Cristina: Does she adopt children?

Jack: She does not. Why does it matter?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Why are you asking about her children? What do her children matter to you?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I told you. She had a kid and her kid died.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why does she need more kids?

Cristina: How does that relate to any.

Jack: She has a dead baby. How does any of this relate to each other?

Cristina: Yes, exactly.

Jack: And so now she got arthritis. She got arthritis. And the doctor is like, you got arthritis? And she's like, dang.

Cristina: She has so much money. She gets a new hand.

Jack: She gets a new hand. So the doctor is then like, look, man, you're out here living in New Haven, Connecticut, you stupid barren. You could go somewhere where the weather isn't so cold and frigid like you, you stupid, barren.

Cristina: So tell her to go to Californ.

Jack: Yeah. They basically say, go somewhere warm so that arthritis doesn't make your fingers represent your soul because you're a stupid barren b****.

Cristina: Did it help her?

Jack: I have no clue. But she does decide at the. At the warm young age. 80s of 42.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So then go.

Cristina: I mean, I guess that's still pretty old back then.

Jack: Yeah. And then she goes. She decides that she's gonna go in in 1885.

Cristina: She buys a mansion.

Jack: She goes and she. She goes to California and she brings her three remaining sisters. She had more, but they dead because life expectancy in the 1800s isn't fun.

Cristina: And do they have children or are they, well, parents?

Jack: They don't have children yet.

Cristina: Oh, I don't know. Is that important? Okay.

Jack: I don't know. Now, you know what? You've. You've been asking questions. I gave you answers.

Cristina: How old are they?

Jack: Younger than her. Okay, now that's. That's. That's Sarah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Told you some details about Sarah.

Cristina: About Sarah, though.

Jack: Now we're gonna go back to what you saw. I told you about Sarah.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Part two. The house.

Cristina: It's haunted. I don't know.

Jack: This house is located in what state?

Cristina: Cali.

Jack: Cali. This house belonged to a man named John Hamm. It's funny that this guy's named John Hamm because there's a photo of a man from the 1800s who looks identical to John Hamm that people say John Hamm is a vampire because of this reason.

Cristina: Okay. But this is not that photo that you're talking about.

Jack: No. I would be very confused. This is also that man.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's no photo of this Jon Hamm. There's nothing on this John Ham.

Cristina: Okay. This Jon Hamm owns the house.

Jack: He owns a house.

Cristina: He's still alive at this point, I.

Jack: Guess, where he owns. I mean, now.

Cristina: I mean, when they went there to get the house with him.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. He was alive. He sold them the house.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Jon Hamm had a villa with a back house.

Cristina: Okay. And that's what they got.

Jack: That's what they got. They bought a villa with the back house.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: That's great. It's a guest house. And there were three, four of them now because her and her three sisters or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And now let me tell you about some interesting details about this house. So it's on 40. What was it? 440 acres or some s*** like that Ridiculous land.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: As you saw in the image.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which Was mostly empty, as you saw by the main two buildings. It's a lot of land, a lot of empty. There were actually forests going through there.

Cristina: Like, how long would it take for the main house to travel to the back house?

Jack: Oh, man. I mean, you saw. Yeah, it was a pretty thick. Like a forest was pretty thick. You were looking at like a minute and a half walk in a straight line from one end to the other. If this is a house with walls and turns, it could take you 5, 10 minutes to traverse one end to the house of the other in a non stop stride in your own house. I'll be there in 10 minutes.

Cristina: Yeah, well, that's too much.

Jack: Yeah, but it didn't begin like that. Again, it was a H, the house. You saw the big chunk, which must have had like what, seven rooms? She was filthy rich. She got her husband's whole estate. Why not? And the back house. So other people came.

Cristina: Which is still a pretty big house. That's a pretty big back house and house. Not including everything that was added.

Jack: Yes, to it.

Cristina: It's what was added just makes no sense. And I don't understand.

Jack: While living at this house, there were a couple of instances that have been left on public record about Sarah's interactions. Sarah Winchester, the widow of William Winchester, who worked for the Winchester Repeating Arms Company.

Cristina: Yes. Yes.

Jack: There have been actual notices of this.

Cristina: Lady in weirdo public records.

Jack: Not her being a weird. Well, fair enough. Possibly. It depends. Depends what you interpret of her being a weirdo. First, there were a couple of calls to the authority, to the authorities of the area about the house, saying there's an intruder on the premises.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This happened over and over and over where one of these ladies would run all the way to the authorities to.

Cristina: Say that there's someone at their house.

Jack: Tell them that there's somebody intruding on their property and has been lurking in their property.

Cristina: Is it John Ham?

Jack: It is not John Ham.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It'd be weird if it was. John the vampire. John Ham sells people the house and reclaims it through drinking their blood.

Cristina: Yes. Interesting. No, that's not it. Okay.

Jack: No. And in the time, the exact record claims that there was a man with the wheelbarrow pushing something through the property.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: This happened more than 20 different occasions. Guy with a guy with a wheelbarrow on their property. Always taking something in the same direction.

Cristina: It's a ghost.

Jack: They're too scared to go over there and look.

Cristina: It's a ghost.

Jack: Why is it a ghost?

Cristina: It's. He's doing the Same exact thing.

Jack: It's an echo, right? It's an actual ghost?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's not like a jinn or like a spirit? No, it's a ghost. An echo ghost of something that happened.

Cristina: In the past, repeating itself over and over. Yeah. Is that what you think too?

Jack: I am also thinking the same thing. I think that man is an echo.

Cristina: Is there more echoes, I guess in the house or around the house?

Jack: This is now where you've asked the most important question. Because this episode is a question of what is in this house. Because I think summer ghosts, echoes of a previous time or future time, ripples as we've established in the past, make sense with math, makes it to quantum physics, most of philosophy. And how we think of an echo in general and what we think of a ghost. So an echo and a ghost are in theory the same, except a ripple through time. Us seeing a moment.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay. There are instances which seem to be identical and repeating and continuous. Like the man with the wheelbarrow.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There are instances that seem fully aware happening in this house. I am going to move into the future now and tell you about this house, current day, without further context so that you know how deep it's about to get. This house is current day a tourist attraction. People go to this house because of how f***** this house is.

Cristina: So it has nothing to do with the size of the house. Pretty crazy.

Jack: All of the above.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It's not this or that. It's this and that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's all of the above. The house is a current day tourist attraction. It's called Winchester House. And the house brings in money purely based on the cryptic nature of its design and the fact that people, when they go there, do come across the echoes that seem to exist. What's in the public record and what's in the current day? Echoes only share the echoes. The current day events do not share anything that doesn't fit a description we would call an echo. But they do have other instances that people would have called ghosts back then.

Cristina: Like what?

Jack: We're going to get to that.

Cristina: But okay, okay.

Jack: That is an important distinction to be made there.

Cristina: Ghosts versus echoes.

Jack: They're definitely ghosts. Which brings up what can cause the ripples in. Because this is a different problem. Right. We're talking space, time, we're talking science. We know that in New Jersey there is the place Paradise Falls and Clemson Road by Clinton Road. And that area.

Cristina: It's weird.

Jack: Yes. But what causes an area like that to happen? We know that there's even thin places there.

Cristina: Yeah. There's just a lot of crap happening there.

Jack: Yes, but this is a space time phenomenon, isn't it? Yes, like a fold in space or something that's allowing things from many, specifically in Clinton Road is excessive. It's things from many different times. The future in the past kind of intersecting here. It's the. The hills. What is it? The tall fields in the tall grass.

Cristina: Oh yeah.

Jack: We're like the future. The past, the present, the now is all one.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so you see impossibly ancient looking things and anomalous things. So futuristic. They might be magic.

Cristina: All happening aliens, but it might not be at all.

Jack: Yeah, because we're saying what, demons, ghosts and aliens all exist in the same place? Get the f*** out of here.

Cristina: No, that's weird.

Jack: No, it's weird.

Cristina: That's what's happening in this house.

Jack: So let's dive deeper into the house. I'll tell you some things that happen with the structure of the house.

Cristina: Yes, that's really. I'm mostly dying to know why.

Jack: There is a 44 staircase that only goes up 10ft inside of this house.

Cristina: What's going on?

Jack: Why it continues at a tiny, super gradual slope. Super gradual. Mad stairs. Mad stairs. Mad stairs. Mad stairs to only go up 10ft.

Cristina: Who did this? Was it her? Is she part of this? Or this is someone else?

Jack: There are stained glass windows hanging inside of rooms, not in walls. Many stained glass windows, many, an absurd amount, have spiderweb designs.

Cristina: Spiderweb designs.

Jack: Many windows have Shakespeare quotes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There are many doors that open to a dead end wall.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: There are many doors that open to another door.

Cristina: Okay, I think we saw a little bit of that.

Jack: There are many doors that open to a dead end hallway. There are many doors that lead through mazing hallways that go nowhere.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: There are hidden passages hidden beneath almost all the walls.

Cristina: That's weird.

Jack: And they don't connect to each other directly. Some connect to some, some don't.

Cristina: That's awful. Who will do this?

Jack: There are hidden passages underneath the floorboards.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Some floors have windows in them.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: There are many chimneys in this house.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Kind of makes sense considering its size.

Cristina: Yeah, it's humongous. And find out there's only one door.

Jack: In what the number 13 shows up over and over and over and over. Many, most. Almost all staircases within this size range have about 13 steps. If it could be 9, if it could be 10, if it could be 11, if it could be 14, 15 or 16. It's usually 13 at different sizes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Stained glass windows constructed almost Majority. And his house is surrounded by stained glass windows of 13 panes.

Cristina: You have any of these as photos though, of the stainless stained glass windows? Stained glass windows. That'd be cool to look at. Are you weird?

Jack: There's a bunch of weird s*** going on here.

Cristina: It's not sounds weird.

Jack: It's not weird. These are things you would only notice by looking at detail. We're talking numbers, we're talking shape shapes. You see webs in places. You see odd shapes. You see the panels are made of add up to 13.

Cristina: That's pretty nice, actually. Not weird.

Jack: It's not weird. There's. The ceilings are made of wood and they have these patterns happening that you find.

Cristina: That was a movie.

Jack: It's not. Oh, there are. This is a weird staircase right here.

Cristina: That is a weird staircase.

Jack: So that's going nowhere.

Cristina: Oh, the 44 stairs. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Many staircases that go nowhere. Rooms that are complete solid colors.

Cristina: And you're saying nothing's based on this? Because I saw a movie and it looks like they based this weird house, their house. On this weird house, though.

Jack: A man's house?

Cristina: Yeah. No, I don't know. I don't know. It just gives me.

Jack: What's the name of it?

Cristina: Thirteen Ghosts, I think. Was it something like that?

Jack: Oh, I don't know. Maybe.

Cristina: Oh, just. Okay, we'll continue. So does this have to do with her, though, or this is someone else that came after?

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: Everything that we're seeing have to do with who? Sarah.

Jack: Oh, well, yeah, because Sarah bought this house.

Cristina: But it wasn't like that when she bought it.

Jack: No, it wasn't.

Cristina: So does she turn into that? Is it unrelated to her?

Jack: Let me scroll down and get to that.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Since you need to know at this.

Cristina: Moment, I'm just curious. It's really hard to picture.

Jack: This is in the points section to take. There are records of Sarah having hired multiple contractors to renovate the property at different points. The original intention was to add parts to the house in the form of additional rooms connecting through hallways as if.

Cristina: It wasn't big enough. That's so crazy. But okay.

Jack: Every time she would break off the contract and continue on her own.

Cristina: Okay, okay. So she is out of her mind. Maybe.

Jack: Eventually she began to create her own designs in the house where her sister.

Cristina: Still living with her at this time.

Jack: Yes. She was maintaining her entire family and their children.

Cristina: Oh, that's crazy.

Jack: She began to implement the designs herself. And eventually. This is on record. She was approached. This is actually on the newspaper. She was approached by contractor offering assistance and was rejected when he offered free services to fix her. Increasingly, by his opinion, worst house.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So, yes, she built this. Now, going back to the things in this house.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The walls have 13 panes on average. When you look at the walls and architecture showed influences from around the world with a total lack of consistency, which is what you noticed. It looked like different buildings from different time periods and different locations from around the world. Because it was.

Cristina: That's very crazy. Okay.

Jack: Mm. The inside of the house is structured much like a maze.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: The house itself is designed over a series of geometric shapes.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: All the lines intersect in geometric patterns. All the lines from the top view, it does not represent what an X ray of the place would show us, which would be where a wall looks awkward in our eyes is a straight line connecting a perfect shape elsewhere.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Yeah. How. How'd she map it?

Cristina: And why is she doing it?

Jack: And why? That is the question. Why? What's the point of any of this?

Cristina: Yes. And why couldn't any of her family stop her? I understand she's paying.

Jack: She's paying all of it. Additionally, the house features in random parts of design, triangles, circles, and squares that could be found throughout the entire structure, oftentimes as simple details added to something. It doesn't seem like it serves a purpose. It's just aesthetic. It would seem.

Cristina: This seems like too much money. From what? Like, man? How much? Like. No, I don't know.

Jack: There is.

Cristina: I feel like it's adding up.

Jack: Also an additional room in the very, very, very center of the entire structure, which is equal distances from the main house and the back house and both ends of the absolute property, which she successfully built. A house over a hundred percent of the distance, not covering the entire surface area, but rather from one side to the other in each extreme.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She managed to make the house touch every extreme. That's nuts.

Cristina: She sounds nuts. It looks nuts.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But there's a room dead center of all four of those points, and that's the room.

Cristina: You saw the room, the one empty. Okay.

Jack: That's the empty room with 14 hooks. 13. My bad.

Cristina: 13 hooks.

Jack: 13 hooks on the walls. Yeah.

Cristina: What is that about? What's the hooks for?

Jack: Coats.

Cristina: Okay, what's happening?

Jack: Let's unpack this real quick, Because I think with what we have, there's enough geometric patterns, a house structured in a geometric form, and these geometric patterns intersect with a room in the center, an empty room in the center, A room with coat racks, little hooks to put your coat on.

Cristina: Because she's summoning some things. Thirteen of them.

Jack: Interesting, no?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So what is that room?

Cristina: The teleporter.

Jack: It's a teleporter of some sort, yeah. Why?

Cristina: Why?

Jack: I don't know why. Also, with all the times they went and ran over talking about there's some dude on the property doing this and that.

Cristina: They were not complaining about her.

Jack: You connected the house all the way to the part of the house you thought that guy was going to. You made the whole house reach that?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why? You made it cover the whole place. Why? And you put this room, this welcome room in the center of the house. Why? Weird.

Cristina: That is weird.

Jack: Very strange.

Cristina: It has to do with ghosts. Did they say anything about her seances, things like that?

Jack: When asked why she was building the house in this fashion, there is one line in a newspaper talking about the crazy lady. And the line says that her response is, I'm doing it to please the spirits.

Cristina: Okay, okay, that makes sense. That makes sense.

Jack: So then I gotta go down a different rabbit hole. What spirits are we talking about? Wheelbarrow men. One of the many spirits. But that doesn't seem like he would be bothering her. No, because ghosts don't bother anybody. They couldn't. That's not there. Spirits do. But that doesn't look like a spirit. Now, footsteps coming from nowhere and following people in the house is very different. Then footsteps somewhere in the house.

Cristina: That's what was going on.

Jack: Not that she reported. Again, I'm looking for what has been mentioned about this place. Those things have been reported. Not by her, but yes. Footsteps in the house. Now we have things. We have things. We got a guy who always goes to a cabinet. Echo. Had to be. He's always going to cabinet. Getting the same thing. A pantry. Always. And just kind of stops. It gets there and stops. There's a guy darting across the yard. Looks like he's playing sports. Okay, again, just the repetition. Yeah, that would be horrifying in the middle of the night if you're just wandering it straight across. But. Yeah, but like it happens every night. Same time, same kind of way. Okay. Yeah. Echoes. Why so many? I don't know what weird space time event took place here. Except the only one they claimed that has been seen by people afterwards has been the wheelbarrow man. There weren't other disturbances in this area originally. There was only the wheelbarrow then, which was their initial problem later. And as time went by, we get footsteps. Yep. Footsteps coming from nowhere. We get voices of people they think intruded into the house.

Cristina: This Is after her working on the house that more after she starts.

Jack: Yes. Now you get again, 100. As she starts building the house up. And more and more, it starts getting weirder and weirder. It starts getting way weirder. Eventually, there's voices speaking to the women.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: But they're not saying. It's incoherent. They can describe the same voice, and it's legible. You could tell things. It's telling them.

Cristina: Do you know what they're like? They. They have something.

Jack: No, these things weren't on record per se, but it was more just a record of phrase. Yeah, the record of that. They were, in fact, dealing with people in the walls and whatever. Now, here is a problem. These walls have passageways for days. The. Almost all the walls have a secret passageway. Why? You're hearing voices coming from every direction. Your walls have passageways.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: It goes from supernatural to what the f***?

Cristina: To like, she's just crazy and she's haunting her own sisters.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: It's very strange because, like, yeah, it could just be her. We don't know.

Jack: It could just be her.

Cristina: It could just be a man pranking them real hard. No, he's taking a wheelbarrow and also just running around the house. I don't know.

Jack: Until the things start to move on their own.

Cristina: Okay, then, yes, definitely.

Jack: Hauntings and shapes start to form in dark places.

Cristina: But besides her building random things, is there anything else that she's doing that's weird? I mean, it's pretty weird. I know, but, like, there's nothing else.

Jack: Nothing of now.

Cristina: Just every. What she's doing is somehow summoning or something, you know, like, causing these things.

Jack: She's building a house, and then there's creatures. I can't tell you the house led to the creatures. That's for us to figure out. Yeah, but I can tell you that she built the house and then things started to happen.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I don't know that they're connected for a fact. I just couldn't tell you that they're not because that's too prominent.

Cristina: It seems like it has to do. But I'm just saying, like, did she do anything else?

Jack: Built a house?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Loud lightning. Figures in shape start to roam the place the sisters described. Seeing other people in the building at this point, but never being able to catch up to the people in the building.

Cristina: That's crazy. They live there their whole life. Like, even with all this crap happening, they're just like.

Jack: Yeah, they're just paying for it. And they just avoid certain parts of the house.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Yeah. Now, the empty room. The empty room is the center of the entire geometric pattern. The empty room features one detail we could not see, but it looked like a closet. The closet is a shrine of sorts.

Cristina: What?

Jack: It is used to hold things for a seance. That is described as the seance room.

Cristina: Okay, then that makes a lot of sense. That makes so much sense. Of course. Of course. Well, was her sisters not involved in that, or was she doing it with other people?

Jack: No, she was doing this alone. She would reject help. Well, she, throughout the course of her life, built this house.

Cristina: Well, what was she obsessed with? Was it bringing back her dead husband? Do they know?

Jack: Other detail to add. The house built completely chaotic. The patterns in the house totally random. Different times of architecture, different styles of architecture from around the world, minus one little detail. One thing that took many, many, many years after this house was open to the public to even find out, which was that the entire house is overlaid with subtle hints of Masonic imagery and detailing.

Cristina: It is Masonic.

Jack: She's a Freemason. Sarah Winchester. Sarah Sally Lockwood Winchester was a Freemason before she started building this house. In the middle of the house, she built a room that seems to be the focus, center of whatever's happening in a literal welcome spot, some sort of gateway or something. And the house itself is designed as the key to the portal or whatever.

Cristina: But her being a Freemason, so like, she got the idea from them or something, Like.

Jack: Well, this brings up the next question. Should we be looking at what the. The Freemasons are and how they connect to the bigger picture? This is the first time they cross paths in this kind of way. We've read about their library and things. They hold the knowledge, but. But now we're talking on some s***. We're talking on portal bridging. We're talking on Sarah Sally Lockwood Winchester performing a potentially necromantic trick and her existing in the late 1800s. How would she know? And what the f*** is a Freemason to have the answer to any of that?

Cristina: You think they have some necromancer technology or something? Some knowledge about.

Jack: They know something.

Cristina: They know about Hermes. They know about his studies.

Jack: They might be the rejects. I've had a theory about Alexander, and I've had the theory that he branched off into the weak other fakes that eventually led to the fake philosopher's stones and all this other bullshit that we're familiar with.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: I think Alexander the Great because he couldn't Cut it made his own thing with what he did know.

Cristina: And do you think that's related to the Freemason or whole different.

Jack: Might be directly. I can't prove it, no. But yeah, I would go out of my way to do so eventually. But I do believe that there's some connection between maybe not that group specifically, but a group of people who perform a lesser version of what the necromancers did in fact do.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And I think Alexander led to that. There is a group of people who do that. We've seen imitations that we're like this is kind of sort of. But this isn't. Can't be because of this. And that other thing disqualifies him. And it's like, well, you guys don't have a full picture of what being a necromancer is, but you guys know, normal people don't how.

Cristina: And this lady specifically? Yes.

Jack: Like she may be part of these whack noobs who can at least bridge a gap to the other side. And this would bring in then another picture. Everybody we talk about minus a Greek avoid adrenochrome. But we know current day many, many, many people. And in the past many attempts with adrenochrome have been done other than the philosopher's stone. That's the highest literal called the magnum opus process to get to the perfect philosopher's stone. So there are many wack weak philosopher stones. Yes, I think these guys are ones. I think it's them. I think these people that we've read about doing this.

Cristina: Probably what she was doing. Like she's not making philosopher's stones as far as I can tell.

Jack: Philosopher stones. But she knows enough to bridge a gap.

Cristina: A gate into the shadow realm.

Jack: So I think so. I think so. And I have to tell you important detail because that is sort of the cherry on top of this. The most prominent figure that haunts this mansion following their no longer being in that house is Sarah.

Jack: Do you see the problem here? She built a gate the way Jesus did, didn't she?

Cristina: So that she can.

Jack: But it wasn't complete. Something is wrong. Jesus can walk through. They literally said we saw him here, we saw him way the over there.

Cristina: Thank you. Back here.

Jack: Yeah. But we've also heard things that look so close to being a ghost, except there's some form of free will here. So you're not an echo, you're some other thing. And sometimes we've called them demons, but they're the weird fact that you're stuck in an area we've never been able to solve.

Cristina: No, that's why we just call them ghosts.

Jack: We call them ghosts.

Cristina: We call echoes echoes? Yeah, like, because we don't have better names.

Jack: But now, if we assume a ghost is an echo, then what is this thing with free will? Right? People who might have f****** failed at doing the right thing. Let's use Full Metal Alchemist as an example.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: So you try to bring somebody back to life. You get a homunculus because you don't know how to break. You're not God. You're gonna bring somebody back to life. Now, people do know how to do it. But if you.

Cristina: Is that why these deaths are important? Because, like, maybe she feared death after losing the most important people to her. She was like, this isn't gonna happen to me. Or something. Like, I don't know either. She wanted to bring them back, but then, like, does anyone see them?

Jack: She knows, but that the Freemasons are essentially the Fallout Brotherhood. We don't have the answers, but we know how to get the answers. And although they don't want to give us the answers, we'll try our best to do it by force. And it's like, cool, great and all, but also, you don't know where all of them are. And you don't have the full picture. Everything you do is half a** by default, even if you put your full effort into it. Yeah, because you couldn't go full because you don't know what that looks like. That seems to be the case. And all these cases are people who knew, sort of, kind of on average, the steps did the things, but you don't really get it. And you f***** up somewhere in the process. So you're kind of like an echo, but you're not. You're stuck in the middle ground. You trapped yourself in that other place. Archive 81, the show. Everybody go watch that. It's on Netflix. Archive 81. At the very end. Spoiler warning, anybody who hasn't run away, cover your ears. Count to 50 to get trapped in the place. But why? Because the demon knows how to get through. The people don't. They're playing with fire. They don't understand. So what happens? They end up trapped in the limbo equivalent of where he is and where you began. This portal location. They're stuck in the house forever. But why is that the case? Because the house is within proximity and probably there's borders. I'm sure it's a perfect circle at a certain distance. And you can't exit that perfect circle because you would Cease to exist because you got caught in the sort of ripple you caused in space time crossing rifts.

Cristina: Yes, yes, yes, yes, I see that must have happened.

Jack: And there's a specific spot in Clinton Road where it makes perfect sense. There's a f****** castle dead center.

Cristina: They were doing some more stuff.

Jack: Yes. And people think literally Satanists go and f*** around in that place. It's dead center. But this is way larger than the estate. So they were doing some big f****** things. If that's the case. But then this gives us a f****** look into is science. And you're bending space somehow. And if you f*** it up, you can leave it that way.

Cristina: Yes. And that's what happens to all these places. It's usually in the middle of nowhere. Like Clinton Row. We've heard many stories of just like an area that random things happen.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Mad random things. Not really a house. This is the first time it's a house.

Jack: That's the first time it's a house. We find the center point. But also the castle in Clinton Road is its center point. It just so happens to be that Clinton Road, if you look at the paranormal area, kind of runs far to a side of it. But the entire forest with all the things, the castle's in the center.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Weird. And it kind of gives us a lot of information for a lot of things. Again, the slightest perspectives allows us to look at things that we would have ignored otherwise and. Wait a minute. You mean a room in the middle of the. Whatever. Oh wait. Paranormal activity. Maybe there's a gate here now. Maybe there's gates in a bunch of places. Maybe just looking for the most f****** haunted places is gonna lead us to people who connect directly to the necromancers, who connect directly to the Elysians, connect directly to the current day's Rayleighs. Everything is f****** pieced together.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. So where are we going? What's next?

Jack: Finding out what the most haunted places on earth are? Because those are places that were important to fakers.

Cristina: I feel like we have done that in the past. But I don't think we look to see who went there.

Jack: Who went there matters more than what's happening.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now we know that what's happening is just some bullshit anomaly in space time.

Cristina: But like was a freemason or some type of group involved? Okay.

Jack: Because it could have been a mistake by somebody who knows what they're doing. Or it could have just been somebody who doesn't know what they're doing.

Cristina: Yeah. Gotta find out. Interesting.

Jack: Interesting. All because of Ms. Freemason herself.

Cristina: But does any of her sisters. Are they ghost too? Or is it just her unknown? It's just her unknown.

Jack: We have no idea for sure. People have claimed so that they've seen.

Cristina: Her sisters as well.

Jack: It's been reported.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But there's been a bunch of. There's many, many, many, many, many, many, many. If this is what it is, then it's a whacking complete portal and a bunch of s*** comes in and out. But they're trapped within the premises.

Cristina: But it would make sense that her sisters would be trapped. And maybe that's her goal as well. Be like, why would I want to die? What would I want them to die? Type of situation.

Jack: Other things to note. Does she choose this house intentionally because of where it is? Is there a factor you can harness and so you're doing the house here?

Cristina: I don't know. It seems real random because it came from a doctor. It started with the doctor.

Jack: Yeah. The random details about her life. Her moving to San Francisco, California, to begin with. Her and her husband had discussed this before he died. That's their dream. Getaway location.

Cristina: Was to go there.

Jack: Was to go there. So she already had this place in her mind before the story even begins. I don't know why. I don't know if the house was in her mind, but she had the place in her mind.

Cristina: Was he involved? Because then, like, would he know? Like, okay, if I die, this is what you should do.

Jack: Like, unclear.

Cristina: Bring me back or something? Like, was he part of the group? Had they just, like. Was this their plan too?

Jack: Like, it's weird, right?

Cristina: It's weird. Yeah.

Jack: It's a strange, strange situation. It looks like she built a gate.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To not only walk through herself, but bring other people through. And she had no idea how to do it the right way.

Cristina: No. But she had at least 13 people in mind. How many sisters are. There's four. No, there's four, including her.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And then there's children.

Jack: Yes. And her baby.

Cristina: And her baby and her husband.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: How many people there?

Jack: I don't know. Maybe it adds up to 13.

Cristina: Like, what if it did? Everyone's saying, like, it's evil, but what if it's like she's just. There's just 13 of them.

Jack: Yeah. But it is crazy.

Cristina: It is crazy.

Jack: It's a very interesting situation that this lady went ahead and did this. It looks like she built. It looks like she built a portal. The house itself is a design, so it's harder to f*** with. You can't destroy the lines. Unless you break through a wall or some s***.

Cristina: Yeah, that's. It's very intentional.

Jack: Very intentional. It's a mess with a room in the center, and she did it, so. And she wanted contractors help, and she didn't trust them. They're not gonna figure it out.

Cristina: No. No. It would be impossible. I don't understand. I don't understand how she even, like, can they find the blueprints she made for this house? Like, is that even a thing?

Jack: F****** nuts, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So that's what we got. What do you think?

Cristina: I think that's crazy. I think maybe she is part of a group and we should see if we could find that group.

Jack: About that group. We got this point. We could find that group if we could find a bunch of other s***.

Cristina: Because then that means people know about.

Jack: Hermes nowadays, even if they don't get it.

Cristina: Yeah. There has to be attempts.

Jack: There has to be attempts. People start trying, we know people are still trying. There's. We know that there's so many factories.

Cristina: Of adrenochromes, but this also, like, feels related to necromancy. The other part that we don't really focus on. Of the dead.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Like, that's maybe why most people get involved. It has nothing to do with teleporting to other worlds or anything, because they don't even know that's part of the story.

Jack: It could be about coming back themselves.

Cristina: It's just. Yeah. Most of them want to be immortal. Yeah. A lot of them.

Jack: Most of it. Same thing with adrenochrome. If you're doing necromancy, you're thinking immortality. If you're drinking adrenochrome, you're thinking immortality.

Cristina: And you're not ignoring all the. They have no idea about everything else involved. The history, the other worlds, etc.

Jack: None of it. No. 100%. There's a bunch of incomplete images and people f****** s*** up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And I'm sure, based on this perspective.

Cristina: We can find it.

Jack: We can find that. I know that at least some of it has to be more situations like this that if you look at. Wow, this area is really haunted. I'm probably gonna start with Clinton Road.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because what the h***, a castle is there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So what do we have?

Cristina: I don't know. You're gonna find out, though.

Jack: Hopefully.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But that's what we got. So that is the Winchester house. You guys can Google that name. And there are a plethora of images. It's open to the public. You can wander. Yeah. Everywhere. You don't need me to show you the images. They are everywhere. Enjoy looking at the Winchester house. There's a lot of information, a lot of it's conflicting, but most of it is out there. Feel free if you want to give us information. Anything you guys figured out, reading, looking, listening to this, ideas you had, whatever. You can hit us on our socials at justconvo, Pod on X, Facebook, Instagram.

Cristina: Tick tock, wherever the Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And word of mouth. Tell people about how awesome this show is and how weird. Sarah Winchester, mother of Salmon Dean.

Cristina: No.

Jack: She had one kid and it died because she was a bad parent.

Cristina: That's awful.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: S.A.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

December 02, 2023

Rambling 252: The Fragarach

December 02, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Are there other weapons like Excalibur or the magic bow out in the world? Who is making them? For what purpose? The duo continue their search into magical fairy killing weaponry that’s existed throughout history. What they discover finally starts to shine some light on questions they have wondered the answer to for years!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

The Fragarach
Magical Weapons
Nemedians
The Fir Bolg
Tautha De Danann
Fairy Trees
Manannan
Fomorians

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Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is a show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today, on this most special of episodes, where we talk about some extremely unique, beautiful, deep, profound topic that dives deep into human nature and changes how we interact with each other as humans with a lot of technologic innovation and.

Cristina: What?

Jack: I don't know, I'm just throwing a bunch of buzzwords out there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And hoping that it strings together into a coherent, very exciting sentence. How was I doing?

Cristina: You lost me at the end.

Jack: Yeah. Because. Yeah, man, it doesn't even make sense, right. When you have just a bunch of descriptors back to back to back without just getting to it. It's like, what? Well, what was it you were commenting on again? I forgot.

Cristina: What are you commenting on?

Jack: I have no idea.

Cristina: And.

Jack: Oh, on the absurd and crazy thoughts and whatnot and their absurdity and craziness and how much more. How much more absurd and crazy it is today than any other day. Even if I've said this every other day.

Cristina: How is it more crazy?

Jack: It's always more crazy.

Cristina: I don't know. I feel like we, we went to peak crazy when we were living on a zombie filled island with toilet paper.

Jack: That was, that was pretty, pretty up there. I remember those days. That was crazy.

Cristina: What's today about? What's today about?

Jack: Today is about. No, it's not even that crazy. Today is about. Well, we've been looking at a bunch of stuff, like things and junk. You know how we do.

Cristina: Like swords?

Jack: Yeah, literally like swords. Excalibur. But not just that. Focusing on things. And we actually in focusing, landed at fairies. Looking to see some fairies. And then we eventually found Nag and we looked at Naga and then we found out which of the Naga, one of them had a weapon. We were like, that's cool. That probably means there's more weapons. And I started looking at weapons and it turns out that King Arthur's story is not considered. Considered fiction literature. It is considered mythology. So I look into that and apparently that's mentioned everywhere and I had no.

Cristina: Clue, I thought my whole life that he had to find the sword, give the sword in to get the real sword. Nah, man.

Jack: I don't know why I thought this was literature. My whole life I really thought this was like a made up. And nobody, I didn't think people thought this was real. This happened. I thought it was just like. Oh, like, you know, Disney made up King Arthur or some like that. Or bare minimum, it's just a fiction from the 1700s that somebody wrote and everybody knew. Oh, yeah, the great story written by the guy over there, Bob, about King Arthur.

Cristina: Anyone who wrote a story back then was writing a story based on something that was happening, though. That's all lore. Everything comes from lore of what they thought was actually happening.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Everything we think of as fairy tales, every fairy tale was the thing they truly believe was happening to some degree. Yeah.

Jack: A lot of people really thought all this s*** was happening.

Cristina: So it's just one of those, like, werewolves.

Jack: Yeah. It was trying to reason away the logic of what was going on, but we know the logical is going on, which actually brings us to the point. So looking through these weapons that can in fact be special magic weapons, I come around the weapon called Fragarach. Awful, awful name. Fragarach. But the Fragarach is a sword.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And this sword is in Ireland. Snyder's sword.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's a very magical sword. It was given to the first High King of Ireland.

Cristina: Why? Who gave it to him? Oh, is this special?

Jack: His people gave it to him. It is special. It's a very special sword. Like all these magical swords, it itself possesses magical abilities.

Cristina: Fairy killing magic abilities.

Jack: Fairy killing magic abilities?

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: But why?

Jack: That's what we're trying to figure out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So the Fragarach, the first High King of Ireland, was wielding the sword. And during the first battle of Mag, Taured with the fur, Bolga with the fear Bolg, the first High King of Ireland, Mauda, lost his arm. And he believes he is now incapable of being the leader. So he gives the sword that was given to him by his people. He gives that sword to one of the people who is with him now.

Cristina: So he could be the new king or something.

Jack: The new king temporarily, for the next battle. And after that battle, he makes it permanent. Okay. So I'll tell you some things about the sword. Specifically, the sword is unbreakable. The Fragarach is also a weapon that will regenerate the wielder.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: Whoever's holding it, if they were to have damage, they would recover.

Cristina: But not like losing your arm.

Jack: I'm assuming that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The user cannot be harmed. Which then brings into question how the h*** he lost his arm.

Cristina: That is very strange. Okay.

Jack: And it is allegedly capable of. Of killing fairies.

Cristina: There's something wrong because he still got her.

Jack: Yes. I'm assuming he got hurt. Well, he did get hurt in a battle, but he was using a spear.

Cristina: He's using spear.

Jack: He was using a spear. He wasn't using the sword.

Cristina: Okay. The sword was not swapped out.

Jack: What do you mean the sword was not swapped out?

Cristina: Like, what happened to King Arthur where he had the fairy killing sword and then he had a sword?

Jack: No, no, no, no, no, no, no. He just has this sword. He. It's made by his people.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: His people make this sword. He gets the sword, and the sword gives him all these crazy abilities, and.

Cristina: Then the whole carry. I don't. It still doesn't make sense because, like, how do they know who tested it out to say that it kills fairies?

Jack: We'll get there.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: We're gonna find out why it believes to kill fairies.

Cristina: Okay. It's not just some random.

Jack: No, but anyways. Anyways, this made me look at who the h*** all these people involved with this sword in Ireland are. And so first, we needed to find out the lineage of these people. Well, not originally. We didn't have to find out the lineage. It's afterwards. In fact, you know what? I'm gonna give this to you in the order that I discovered it so that you can go through the same level of confusion I went through. Ultimately, the sword, the Fragarach, is being wielded by Naota as the king. Yeah. The first high King, Naota. And this is in the first battle of Magtorid for the part of Ireland they're fighting for. And Naota gets his arm cut off. And, you know, but they still win. They win the battle.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And they split the island between the guys and the bad guys, or whoever you want to call the good guys and bad guys, whatever. And.

Cristina: And he gives the sword to someone.

Jack: Well, yeah. Then he gives a sword to the guy for the next thing, for the next future battle to be fake king. And then he became the real king as a result. Fantastic. Sweet. Okay, who the f*** are these people?

Cristina: What people?

Jack: All of them. These people who have the sword, who are they fighting? Why? What? Why did you stop using the sword for the spear? It's a weird one.

Cristina: Did you figure that out?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I have a theory, though.

Cristina: Oh. Okay.

Jack: And so, in doing so, I had to look at the battle in which the sword was being held, and the battle was again, the battle called Torrid Magtor. And so I'm looking at the battle of Magator, and the battle of Magtoran is happening with some people called the Fear Bolga fir, Fur fear. Fur. Fur bog, whatever. Fur boggle, Some, something like that. Fur bog. And so I'm looking at the fur bog. The fur ball.

Cristina: Yes, the fur ball.

Jack: The fur balls. I'm looking at the fur balls and like, who, who, who are you guys? And then who are those guys? This got weird really quickly. So the fear bog are ancestors of some people who left Ireland in the past called the Nemedians. Nemedians are aliens?

Cristina: No. I don't know, it's just a matter of your name.

Jack: It's a weird name, but it's. They're named after the guy they follow. The guy they follow is called Nemed. And Nmed leads these people in this region of Ireland. Okay, These people who live in that region of Ireland live under consistent oppression from a group of people called the Fomorans. I hear about the Fomorians. I'm like, okay, this is getting weird. I don't know who any of those people are, but we're talking Gaelic. This is all happening 4, 5, 6, 7,000 years ago, right? So we're speaking an old a** language here. I'm saying these words like these are their names. No, this is obviously just the translation from that language. This is in that language. Words that we know. It's always the case, okay? So I'm like, let's look at some of these words, let's translate them, let's do some translations, let's find out what these words translate to.

Cristina: And it gets weird.

Jack: It. All of this is a weird freaking mess to begin with. But allow me to tell you who these people are. The Nemedians are part of the third group of people to ever settle in Ireland, led by named under the oppression of the Fomorians. And after many, many years of oppression, the Nemedians rise up and they decide, we're going to fight back and we're going to kill the Fomorians. We're going to get rid of them. But they lose this battle.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They lose it by a landslide. A lot of them die. Out of 60,000 men, 30 escape on a boat. Oh, it was a massacre.

Cristina: That's crazy. 30, 30. And they come back.

Jack: These 30 people, these 30 living Nemedians, named amongst them, break off into two groups from a disagreement they have. One goes to Greece and one goes somewhere up north.

Cristina: What's up north?

Jack: The ones that go to Greece are who we come to know as Firbolg. Many years after leaving Ireland, Ireland has been abandoned for a very long time. They return smarter, stronger.

Cristina: Who's fear Ball. I. I already lost this fear.

Jack: B are the Nedians that left. These are the ancestors of the Ne.

Cristina: These are the people that are going to have the sword.

Jack: No, no, no. We. We're going to get to the sword. Oh, we're going to get to the sword. I'm telling you who these people are. It's very important who these people are.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So Furbolg is the name of.

Cristina: The people who end up fighting the people that have the sword. Is that what it is?

Jack: No, listen to me.

Cristina: I can't remember. I know you mentioned them.

Jack: The Nemedians are the third people to settle Ireland. They got harassed out of there after they tried to rise up. 60,000 of the Nemedians went to war. 30 managed to get on a boat and escape after they totally lost the h*** out of that. They were being harassed by the Fomorians.

Cristina: So the come back and become for more.

Jack: The Nemedians that leave and go to Greece become known as the Fur Bulg. The Nedians that leave.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: After the third out of the 30 that were alive, some of them went to Greece. Those became known the Fir Bolg.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that group of people comes back to Ireland to. When Ireland has been abandoned for a while now. There's nobody there. And they then become the fourth settlers of Ireland.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Whatever. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. They become the fourth settlers of Ireland.

Cristina: The third. They're technically still the third.

Jack: No, but they're. They were the third. A bunch of them got murdered. They went. The survivors went. Their ancestors. It's been generations.

Cristina: Okay. Because now they're mixed. Their whole new group.

Jack: Yeah. This is not the same people. The Met has been dead a long time.

Cristina: Okay. Now they're the fowls, huh?

Jack: Yeah. This. The Fur bog. New different people, but ancestors of Neman.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Come back to conquer this place themselves. Meanwhile, the Fomorians seem to never cross paths with these people for a very long time.

Cristina: Which ones are the Flamorians?

Jack: The ones who got their ancestors out of there. They're just not around.

Cristina: The people that kick those people out are just missing. That's what you're saying.

Jack: The Fomorians got rid of the Nemedians and Nemedians became the Firbolg.

Cristina: But those people are missing.

Jack: Missing? Yeah, they're just. They never encounter the Firbolg, never come across the Numinians. I mean, the. The. The. The Fomorians. Anyways, anyways, the Firbolg are here in this new place of Ireland where they have settled. And they're here for many, many years before there's no way.

Cristina: It's a new place.

Jack: It's been a long time. They are ancestors of the people who left.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: It's could be 2, 300, 400 years, thousands of years, I don't know. But they show up and they're there for a long time. But after they've been there for a while, a group of people known as the Tau Tha de Danan show up.

Cristina: Are these a whole new group of.

Jack: People or these are one other new group of people show up. And these people got the guns.

Cristina: How do they have the guns?

Jack: They are so advanced that it blows the f****** Furbolg out of the g****** water. These people show up and they come in peace. Hard as f***. They're like, hey, long time ago, our ancestors left this place and they went north. North. And they reproduce and we are their descendants and we're here to try to. We're gonna share this land with you. Nah, they ain't having it. They're like, no, we're not sharing crap, okay? And he's like, well, this wasn't like a question, bro. So like one, we're the same people. Two, you can share it, or we can make you share it. And the guy was like, yeah, make me share a b****. So they fight, get their a**** f****** handed to them, and then they have to just concede to the new group of people who still ultimately gave them a chunk. They're like, go to that corner over there and stop being an a******.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: So at the end of the day, they still gave it to them, the Tau Tha de Danan. Right. So that battle with the Fur Bolg and the Tau Tha de Danan was the first battle of Mag Turid.

Cristina: And he's the one that was leading the. Whatever the first group is called in this battle.

Jack: The leader, Nauta, is the one wielding the sword, the Fragarach. Except he's not wielding it when he's fighting. The leader of the Firbolg gets his arm cut off and he hands his sword over after the battle. But they do win the battle and they force the Fur bolg to go and share. Stop being greedy, man. This makes no sense. Why are you being greedy, man? So why the sword? What's the point? Who are these people?

Cristina: And why not use it?

Jack: And why not use the sword? I think this sword, the point of this sword is to fight fairies specifically as well. I think that's why the spear was the weapon chosen to fight earthlings.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Because it would do nothing, but it would still protect him. And he's still a sword.

Jack: If he's using it against a fairy, it makes. Maybe these rules really apply to a fairy.

Cristina: Only while fighting a fairy, it would protect him in the ways that. Yeah, supposed to.

Jack: Because the fairies, it's. Everything it does is to stop a fairy's damage a fairy's effect on him.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And he can slice through a fairy. That's just some other kind of thing. Okay, Those are my theories on that.

Cristina: Do you know where these ancestors went exactly? Like, where is this north location that they got this sword from? If they got it from that location?

Jack: So I do not know exactly where they were, but I'll give you some details on all the people. We have the broad information, ignoring the deeper narrative, just entirely explaining to you who these individual groups are right now. Because useful information. These are the questions you want. This is what you're asking. Who these people are, where they went, who they were interacting with. This is why it's important to know who these people are.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Okay. Named. The leader of the third group of settlers was a descendant of Noah.

Cristina: What? That's random. Okay.

Jack: A human favored by the Elians.

Cristina: Noah or this random dude? Okay.

Jack: Oh, no, no, no. My bad. Noah was a person favored by the Elysians.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: The Med was the leader of the third settlers of Ireland, subsequently named the Nemedians. Nemed in his group were oppressed originally by a group of fomorians. They rise up against the Fomorians and ultimately get defeated. And most of them are killed. Out of the 60,000 to go to battle, 30,000 managed to escape in a single ship. And they flee, most of which go to Ireland. Okay, named details. Next Firbolg. The fourth group of people to settle in Ireland. Descendants of the Nemesians, originally from the third group of settlers in Ireland, left to Greece and settled. Their descendants returned to Ireland after it had been abandoned for many years. And after settling established order and civilization with within the island. And they are overthrown by a group of people called the Taltha de Danan. Okay, so far on the right track. Everything is leading one to the other subsequently. So who the h*** are the Toffee?

Cristina: The who?

Jack: The Toffee Danan. So in fleeing after losing the first battle of Mag Turid. No, not of Mag Turret. When fleeing after they got oppressed by the Fomorians, the people who fled went to Greece. Some went to north. And these are also descendants of the Nemesians. And these are the Numidians that traveled north, which would be the Palf dead. The nun and they basically made with the locals of the region they went to. Many years later, they returned to Ireland to battle for the fir bolg and divide Ireland. Tatha de Anon is the Gaelic term for people of Elysium.

Cristina: I don't understand how.

Jack: These were not people of Elysium. Specifically, the Taffa de Danan are from a civilization towards the Arctic consisting of Aletians, Mayans and Egyptians.

Cristina: What?

Jack: They return to Ireland following orders by the Elysian leaders to assist Mananan.

Cristina: Okay. Of course. For the trees that are there. Right.

Jack: They're to join man near the Isle of Man and settle as they awaited the construction of the isle named Imane al Bach, which is that secret island they live in or on or whatever. Okay, that's fascinating.

Cristina: Ridiculous. What? What? What is going on?

Jack: Now? I get that the Elysians Tauta de anan translates to people of Elysium. So if this translates to people of Elysium, what the h***? So I look into it, and it's not that they mated with sea people. The group is made of individuals that involve non sea people. So these are people who made it with either Mayans or Egyptians who were of this high.

Cristina: Okay, that was just in that area. Okay, yes.

Jack: Of where they went to, because they were not. But then they were accepted as these like way superior people. Okay, but it's because they're coming with the tech. They're coming with these abilities that seem like magic to the people who weren't them.

Cristina: They got their sword from the Elysians.

Jack: They themselves are. Yeah, because Mananan is an Elysian. And the guy wielding the sword. Nauta, I believe he. He himself was just an Elysian scientist or a team leader, military guy or whatever the case may be. These are just a bunch of Elysians. Of course there are other people there, but the guy wielding the sword was an Elysian.

Cristina: The guy himself that was wielding the sword.

Jack: The first one, yes.

Cristina: What?

Jack: He was wielding the sword and then he loses his arm. He gives a sword to Mananan. Mananan then becomes the guy in command during the next battle. And the after that second battle for the same location, he becomes the true king.

Cristina: Well done.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Is he the same guy protecting the trees?

Jack: Yes. Studying them.

Cristina: What? He's the one that gets. Oh. What?

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Same guy.

Jack: Same guy. Yep.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Big player.

Cristina: Whoa. That's really random.

Jack: Yep. I told you. This gets really odd.

Cristina: That is so odd. Okay, Was it not expecting that Mad random names. Then what?

Jack: So now we have Monanaan showing up. We have Elysians being mentioned. Egyptians being mentioned, Mayans being mentioned. We have a lot of big names popping up everywhere.

Cristina: Basically, all of this for the trees.

Jack: I think the trees are never mentioned in these stories related to this sword.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But we know what's going on because we know why Maranan is there, which tells us a lot. But it became crucial to find out who the h*** the Fomorians are.

Cristina: Which one's? The Fomorians?

Jack: The people who oppressed the first group. Not the first group, but the third group of settlers, and then later became both of these groups. What are your guesses?

Cristina: What? It's gonna be something we know. Maybe fairies.

Jack: Huh?

Cristina: That's it. I don't know.

Jack: Fairies, I guess. Okay.

Cristina: I feel like. What Shadow people? I don't know.

Jack: Fomorians is the Gaelic, AKA old Irish word to describe a being from the shadow realm.

Cristina: Okay, so I was right.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: With my second guess, it is a.

Jack: Being from the shadow realm.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yep. So there are some things happening. The battle of Taurid 2, the second one, the one that Mananan was a. The leader of, stand in leader for, and then subsequently real leader was.

Cristina: Of.

Jack: This group of Elysians versus the Fomorans. This group of shadow people. Okay, but why?

Cristina: Besides for. It has to be for the trees related somehow.

Jack: I think so too. Okay, so this is the logic I'm following, right? These people are oppressed, contained, managed. None of this is happening on that island. But they're probably doing this to the people on all the local islands, all the local region, to prevent people from getting to. Because they're trying to tactically position themselves around those trees. Everybody wants a piece of these trees.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And a lot of people are kind of catching up all at the same time. Mananan is there studying the same trees, but that happens later. Presumably Mananan shows up, sees these people, doesn't really care, sees the problem of these shadow people, calls for backup. Now gets literal soldiers with overpowered weaponry showing up. So that my defense while I'm doing my work, these people. I don't think these people themselves are the scientists.

Cristina: Yes. I have a theory about these shadow people, though. This is gonna sound weird because there's no hints of this anywhere, but I feel like these specific shadow people might actually be working with the fairies. Because Ireland is kind of like the home to fairies in a way. Like, that's where all a lot of fairy tales come from, where fairies really live. Like, it's a fairy hotspot. It has the fairy hole.

Jack: I like how you put that. Yes.

Cristina: I feel like if there Are shadow people there? They might be protecting the fairies. Maybe. Question mark. Or. You can't really tell what's a fairy or what's the shadow people either. They might be, to us, harder to tell apart. We assume because we're using these different words that they're different things, but we have no idea what they actually look like. Could we really tell them apart?

Jack: Yeah. Could we? Right. We probably couldn't because they have a.

Cristina: Fairy sword to fight shadow people. I don't think so so either.

Jack: But then why wasn't he using. Oh, no, because he knew these people weren't. But then Mananan used the sword against the fomorians, which means it was.

Cristina: So either they're working with the fairies or.

Jack: No, because if the sword is meant to only be used on fairies and Mananan used it against the fomorians. Yes, the fomorians are working with fairies. They themselves are fairies. If the sword is working on them, that. Yes, but fomorians translate to shadow people. Yeah, shadow people.

Cristina: I don't. Because shadow people. I think they're so closely related, we can't tell them apart. Or at least in that time. Look, I think we just can't tell them apart. I think that's what it is because they work so similarly. Like, how could you tell from their descriptions.

Jack: Yeah. 100. And this might be happening in a couple different instances that we can't explain. When there's situations that we get stumped on. It might be that same thing that maybe we're just confusing because how it got written got messed up through translation and, like, how do they know the difference?

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: But fomorians being the same as these people.

Cristina: What people? The shadow people.

Jack: Yeah, the shot. So the fomorians being essentially the shadow people and the shadow people that they're being described essentially having no difference than if they themselves were Elysians. Not Elysians. From Alfame brings the question. A lot of things we don't know for sure about certain people when it comes to a lot of these texts that we go through. Because they could be easily confused. It could be. Again, they're just confused while they're writing it, they're expressing what they believe they're seeing. In a lot of these instances, there's no way to tell anything.

Cristina: Yes, it's that problem where, like, demons have now become aliens. It's kind of that problem. Like we're dealing with multiple things, but they're also similar that. Are we really dealing with multiple things?

Jack: And you believe that the fomorians might actually be fairies. Or working with fairies. The problem is, if the sword did work when Manana used it, it's because it worked on a fairy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Otherwise it would not have worked.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which is why Naota used a spear instead. Because it would. The sword would not work on these people who are just people.

Cristina: But the people he. The people he was fighting with the sword though. Shadow people.

Jack: We're shadow people. Shadow people. Unquote. But if the sword is working, then again, maybe the sword that works on fairies works on shadow people, but it still wouldn't harm. That's to say that King Arthur's sword could also hurt shadow people.

Cristina: Could be. Because they're probably closer to fairies than we are. Because fairies than in that it came. You know, they came from fairies like we came from them.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So they got a closer link at least.

Jack: Yes. If the sword is made with fairy magic, then it could affect this group. But we're too far removed.

Cristina: Yeah, Something like that. Yeah.

Jack: And vice versa. Sword meant to do something to the other end. Which is why.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: That's why Excalibur was two. One could hurt one extreme, one can hurt the other extreme. Neither can hurt the extreme it came from.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Interesting. So. Yes. And maybe because. Yeah. One of the things describing the Fomorians is that they come from other world. They come from the other world. What is the other world? Where is the other world? But we've seen the other world. And going back. The problem with the other world is it is interchangeably used in between meaning fairy world or. Yep.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's always either or. It doesn't matter.

Cristina: I don't know. Like how do we tell the difference? Maybe Elysians can tell the difference. But how do we know that humans can tell the difference?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: So that's something to think about. Because we don't know what's going on. We'll never know. Like no matter how much we figure out, we're not gonna know. Because it's so. I don't know. We don't. Because we're just getting stories from humans. A lot of these stories are humans.

Jack: A lot of these stories are from humans. Yes. We're getting second hand accounts of situations and their interpretation of crap they could. There's no way they could have understood.

Cristina: No. No.

Jack: And when we do get something weird and left behind, it looks like the magnum opus, just some random. Like, what the h***? This is just numbers and diagrams and that's what gets left behind. Somebody from this time, from this level, leave something behind. And it doesn't look like the magnum.

Cristina: Opus, which was the Magnus. The opus.

Jack: How to Create a Philosopher.

Cristina: Okay. Complicated. Okay.

Jack: But they thought these people came from shadow.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It translates to a being from the underworld. The other world. The shadow world. H***. Whatever word you want to apply to it. That. That's what the Fomorians means. People of this place.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They at least were very sure. Even if they were wrong.

Cristina: How do you know they were wrong?

Jack: I don't.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: But all we do know is if the Fomorians were probably trying to tactically position themselves around those trees, which we know that the Elysians around that same time were trying to do the same thing around those trees. This conflict makes perfect sense. And then the battle that takes place is between this group of Elysians defending Mananan. Really? And Mananan's work. And that's why Mananan was a leader for this work. This is his. This is his that they're defending. And he took charge and he goes and helps defend. And they managed to keep all this stuff. And Warrens are defeated and pushed off to sea. And yeah. Everybody was happily ever after. This sword is a fairy sword. Just like the Excalibur. The second one. Well, the first one. My bad. The first Excalibur. And we don't know this yet, but it's possible that Merlin himself was an Elysian, or at least tightly connected somehow.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which means Elysians can make weapons that can kill fairies.

Cristina: That is for sure. Or at least it seems like it.

Jack: That is what I call finding a problem that could warrant the creation of the elves.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: A weapon that can kill a fairy means make sure no other human can do that and stop these humans from doing it. Thus the elves get made.

Cristina: What? You think elves?

Jack: The Elysians are specifically the reason that the elves were designed, or at least sent. At least sent down to do this current task of preventing civilizations from developing too far. It's because of these weapons?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They're making weapons that can kill fairies.

Cristina: Huh? I see.

Jack: With Merlin, at least it's debatable that it was in retaliation. There's some beef going on between this fairy.

Cristina: There seems to be beef. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah, There seemed to be beef. There's some happening here.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But what is the case with this weapon? The Fomorians and the. And now. And the Tafa, the Nan and Manana.

Cristina: And they were fighting over this land, though. The thing fighting for that sword. They were fighting for that land. They kicked them out in the first place.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: The shadow people or whatever.

Jack: These people. The Fomorians Yes.

Cristina: It was about whatever is there. It's about the place which is a very hot spot.

Jack: Which is a very hot spot. You see the problem, right? There's something more important happening there than what we know about. We got every group closing in on this region, give or take 5000 years ago. All the big names are here. Not just all the big names, but you think of the people that we keep forgetting about. Where did the first half of the Nemedians go when they left Ireland? They went where?

Cristina: I don't remember.

Jack: To Greece.

Cristina: Oh. Why is that important?

Jack: Because the Greek are also huge players that we found out. They can even create fake Naga.

Cristina: Oh, well, it's not like the whole country is. It's very specific people.

Jack: Every one of these groups is very specific people.

Cristina: Yeah. I guess it's just such a small group.

Jack: Yeah. And every single group who ignores the rest of the major population they're part of. Yeah, this is what it is. I guess. But all the big players have shown up for this big party. Man. Involving this. They like these people. I don't know. I don't know. It definitely gives us a light into one of the things happening. Although I don't believe that they're just making weapons to go out on theory killing genocide missions. I do believe we just want to be able to defend ourselves.

Cristina: Or they were just fighting for whatever was there that they wanted. Yeah. I don't know if it was defending.

Jack: Themselves, but they knew this area was fairy related because they send the guy with the fairy sword.

Cristina: Yeah. They were kicked out first from these. From these creatures. Whatever. Kick them out. Because whatever reasons. And they were like, no, these reasons are too good. We gotta go back and fight for whatever these reasons are. Which we don't really know.

Jack: She don't really know.

Cristina: Which we're guessing is the fairy trees.

Jack: The fairy trees. Because the Monoland is right around the corner. Which they go and literally join Marana. And then Marana becomes the leader of the group.

Cristina: Fighting with fairy trees.

Jack: They're fighting with fairy trees. There's also the. The fairy castle things, the fairy circle things, fairy huts or whatever we're gonna call them. Little fairy rings.

Cristina: The fairy rings. But they're not fighting over that.

Jack: I don't know what.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I don't know what any of this crap is about. There's a lot of weirdness happening.

Cristina: If the trees are made out of fairies, then maybe that's why he has the sword as well. It is really. Kill some fairies for science.

Jack: Technology that can Kill. That kind of thing can do a lot. But then again, it looks like it's entirely different. Like it doesn't work on other stuff. So it's also hyper specific. But I get it if you're talking about something from a different realm, that the physics are different. You can't just be like, oh, I made steel and I'm gonna hit a ghost. You know, like, it doesn't work. Yeah, that's why a sword won't work on something from the shadow realm just as much. You need a weapon that can do things like that. So it makes sense that having this sword that can hurt a fairy, valuable, but it can only hurt a fairy. You can't use the sword averagely.

Cristina: No, that's why they didn't. But they did two fights, I don't know. And they already have the trees. And the trees might be made out of dead fairies.

Jack: Trees made out of dead fairies.

Cristina: And he has a weapon. Like it kind of points to it.

Jack: It was about the place. It was always about the place. First group gets kicked out by the fomorians trying to settle. Second group arrives, they never even see the fomorians. But they come back. We gotta come back. We gotta come back. We gotta take this place. Oh, it's been empty. Great, sweet. Settle, do our thing. Then next group comes, they beat the first group and then they beat the fomorians who come back. All over this land and it's surrounding waters. Meanwhile, Monanam's already out there. But the second group shows up to suppress the fomorians. So they hear about the thing. They hear new settlers show up and. No for Morians, they show up. We're gonna share this place. This is why they were willing to share it. This is for science. We don't need the whole idea. We just need a base of operation. Give us time, we'll be gone. No, we'll slaughter you. And so they did. See, and. Yeah. No, it makes perfect sense because he was there. They didn't want the land, man. They wanted. They knew what. They knew exactly where, what they wanted was.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So they're like, just allow us to.

Cristina: Be here to do whatever it is or get whatever it is. Or whatever. Whatever.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Fascinating. And then because of the fur bog resisting, they got shafted. Because it was never about sharing. You could have had it. We just wanted to be here for a short, brief moment.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's very interesting. There is something. It has to do with the fairy trees. It's the same. We also know that eventually, in the future, St. Patrick gets sent here. St. Patrick himself also has an issue with.

Cristina: Know. He also helps get rid of shadow creatures from the.

Jack: Yes, the Naga. Actually a settlement of Naga.

Cristina: Oh crap. Okay.

Jack: The settlement of Naga that were starting to pop up got rid of them and. Yeah. I don't know. I thought this was fascinating. This random weapon. I've never heard about the Fragarach. And these people were right next to the Norse. They had a lot of the same things going on. A lot of the same events happening. They were. They had access to and they saw a lot of those same things. So that's kind of cool.

Cristina: Yeah. Yes it is.

Jack: Yeah. Anyways, that's all I wanted to talk about. There's nothing crazy.

Cristina: That was pretty crazy. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. Some major people showing up. That's definitely the fact that the shadow people or whoever these fomorians really are are having a kind of battle out here with the Tal. Thought that Danan that are really a conglomerate collective sett made up of Mayans, Egyptians and Elysians. They then come down to help Mananan because there's hostility surrounding his studies. And so this dude that has a fairy killing sword pops up help him and he becomes a leader of the group. And beautiful story for Mananan who seems to be a douchebag. Always tangled up with somebody.

Cristina: Yep. That's very interesting. I like it.

Jack: And it's very. Horizon Forbidden west. That these two groups that came from the same ancestors are fighting over the same territory.

Cristina: In what way is that like the.

Jack: Humans that existed on Earth created the humans.

Cristina: Oh, you talk about the. Okay, the second game.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Oh yeah, yeah. That's Forbidden West. Yeah, yeah. You're talking about the future people or whatever. Okay.

Jack: Yeah, yeah.

Cristina: But there's no future people here. Unless there are future people here. Which I guess would be. I'm not sure. Not sure who that is.

Jack: I think based on the timing of these weapons, it's possible that the Fragarach was the precursor to King Arthur's sword.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: I think this might literally be the same weapon.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Or a variant of it. A tool that was used at that time by many.

Cristina: It has the same exact description, same.

Jack: Abilities down to the f****** T. Interesting. Yep. I think this is Excalibur. At least the one that was made by Merlin or similar. If it's a concept, think military. Military all has military grade issue weaponry. Everybody has the same weapon.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Same idea. So like is if this is an Elysian concept, then maybe a lot of people have this Elysian weapon that allows them to go into hostile areas that would it be impossible for anybody else because fairies.

Cristina: Makes sense.

Jack: They can totally handle it.

Cristina: I don't think it's the same sword.

Jack: Now let me paint you a quick picture and then we'll close this.

Cristina: What?

Jack: The Elysians have the ability to hide an entire island or mountain both from fairies. Creatures that can travel through and to and see anything in our side and do it effortlessly. Elysians found a way to cloak things from them. Hide things from them. Second Elysians build a weapon that can kill fairies. You can't see us coming. And we can kill you.

Cristina: Yes. Except they could. Once Jesus was born.

Jack: I guess Jesus became a problem. Jesus became a problem. Now that's little by little that image is refining itself a little more. Jesus became a huge problem. Because if you can hide from the fairies. Jesus gave that away.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Didn't mean technology. He is above that. He magically sent a shockwave through time.

Cristina: Yeah. So D***. Yeah. Don't know how that it's all related somehow.

Jack: It's all related somehow. We inched closer. See a lot of relevant information about this weapon. But shining a light on some important details here and there. By finding a second weapon made potentially by the Elysians. We have two examples of two potential Elysians designing a weapon that can kill fairies. And they are very similar. Either this is the same sword or they can mass produce these weapons that can kill fairies. Thus making the Elysians more of a threat than we thought.

Cristina: But how many fairy killing swords are there?

Jack: I do not know. But that's why we're going to look through many different fairy killing or magic based weapons to find out what's going on with that.

Cristina: So you think there's more out there?

Jack: I think there's many more. And I think that we're going to find a couple of swords. I do truly honestly believe so.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And there is one instance that we have to look at that I can already think off the top of my head that might be the same idea.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Because when Lucifer got kicked from the Garden of Eden, the man to directly replace his post was Michael. Michael is a soldier and Michael has a sword. A very famous sword. A very famous sword that can strike down anything.

Cristina: So you're gonna look into that sword. Cool.

Jack: AKA the flaming sword.

Cristina: That's what it's called. That's pretty good. Lovely. Okay.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Cool. Cool.

Jack: So that's a fragrance right there. It turned out to be related to all the same people. Everybody. All the same people.

Cristina: Lovely.

Jack: Everything.

Cristina: I hope we can find the Same juicy stuff about that sword. The flaming sword.

Jack: Yeah, that'd be dope. I hope. I mean, it's already connected to an unleash. And so, like, that's beginning on an obvious note. But we'll look at that and see how. Because if anything, that's the top of the line of technology when it comes to weaponry. The guy closest to them would have the best weapon, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which means that's refined tech. But yeah, we'll figure it out. Anyways, if you guys have any comments, questions, concerns, ideas for any of this information, you can contact us. You can hit us up on our social medias. That's on Facebook, Instagram X and Tick Tock at just Convopod.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And word of mouth, tell everybody about this show so they can go and listen to it.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Listening.

Jack: Bye. Level at the same time, same scenario. You got so sloppy with it too. Plain sight. You're like it. Attack ourselves. Who gives a. It's closer to home. We'll get it faster. Desperation. Okay, not thinking then. Now you gotta clean the massive cleanup job. You gotta think about how to cover this up, who to blame. Even blaming it. There's like, what the. Those people clearly had nothing to do with it. And we're still over there. Like no 100. It had something to do with them. Yeah, but you got. You got some sloppy desperation now you got a crazy cleanup job, which is what's happening right now. Crazy cleanup job is going to follow whatever the f*** is happening.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

January 14, 2023

Rambling 209: Reviving The Dead

January 14, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Is the Resurrection of Jesus Christ an event that took place? If Jesus never died, were any sins cleansed? Will we have to be the ones to resurrect Jesus Christ? The duo begins the process of searching for the best way to extract Jesus from cryostasis, but in order to do so, they must deep dive into all the different methods of revival conceived of by man.

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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And look, when we're grounding those ideas, they tend to be really baffling. And so we go into more baffling ideas and it says it's a. What do you call it? A self fulfilling prophecy? No, it's a feedback loop. The feedback loop.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's what happens. But listen to me. Last week we were talking about how different people celebrate death.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: And I was thinking it'd be real interesting if we got on to fixing our big problem. The opposite of death. Revival.

Cristina: Oh, bringing Jesus back.

Jack: Yeah, apparent. Apparently it's up to us to be responsible for the resurrection.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So that's the thing.

Cristina: So waiting for signs to catch up isn't good enough?

Jack: Nope. I mean, what are the odds? The odds that if we go into the future and they're just a bunch of cat people, they're not gonna help us?

Cristina: Yeah. So there's gotta be a better way.

Jack: This has got to be another way. So I figure we would look into a couple of the ways that people and media have discussed coming back from the dead.

Cristina: Do zombies count?

Jack: Zombies. Okay, look, if you're a voodoo zombie, you didn't come back from the dead. You're still dead. If you're a science zombie, you never died. Okay, this is the problem. See? Yes, the issue. Because the. The. The. The. The voodoo zombie is just a puppet. It's an empty shell.

Cristina: Huh? We can't do that to Jesus.

Jack: Well, he wouldn't be Jesus. He would just be an empty puppet. We gotta tell him to do stuff.

Cristina: Aren't we gonna do that anyway?

Jack: No.

Cristina: What's the plan? I don't know why we're bringing him back.

Jack: Powers, I guess. Well, we're really investigating him more than anything.

Cristina: Okay. If he has powers to help us and doesn't want to help us. Voodoo zombie.

Jack: I mean, first, let's pick that apart. If he doesn't want to help us and he has powers, are we facing a. The boys type scenario?

Cristina: We have a groundhog.

Jack: Okay, listen to me. We can potentially. Is what you're saying here like the image is playing in my mind that we take in a. In a rogue Jesus scenario where we bring him back to life and he's like, I'm not helping you. In fact, I am stopping you or whatever happens, we then go ahead and grab Steve the groundhog and immediately fling him at Jesus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Hoping that a combat happens in which the Pokemon. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. In which the. In which Steve the groundhog with his.

Cristina: Communication with the clouds. Like, it's not just Steve the magical groundhog. He's got buddies.

Jack: If it works.

Cristina: If it works.

Jack: What if it doesn't work?

Cristina: What then?

Jack: What? Like what's what? What? What does Steve have on Jesus?

Cristina: Weather.

Jack: Weather.

Cristina: He controls the elements. Except for fire. Lightning counts. So that is fire. Right.

Jack: That's interesting. So his one avatar. Almost. He's almost the avatar because he doesn't control fire. That is true. There's like a gap in his knowledge. So he's not like a groundhog. Could never be the Avatar.

Cristina: Why not?

Jack: Because he doesn't have control of fire and you have to.

Cristina: Well, he has control of the weather and the weather has fire.

Jack: What weather has fire?

Cristina: Lightning.

Jack: Yes, you're right. It's just a form of fire. Fair enough.

Cristina: And aren't there fire clouds? That's not a thing. Fire tornadoes. He can make fire tornadoes also, like.

Jack: What'S wrong with Aang for not doing that?

Cristina: I don't know, because that's probably not natural.

Jack: Just hella op. Is that natural thing fire tornadoes at the Fire Nation?

Cristina: That would be amazing.

Jack: Come on, dude. That's just like. All their boats are screwed.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Making tidal waves. He could do whatever he wants. The Avatar's op. It's real exaggerated.

Cristina: Except he's a peeps will. Dude. Crystal Mark. Yeah.

Jack: Usually the Avatar is a very pacifist. Has to be. That's a lot of power.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And with great power comes great responsibility. According to Uncle Ben.

Cristina: Ben? Well, Ben's not around. What's the hedgehog fight?

Jack: The hedgehog fight the hedgehog.

Cristina: What is the groundhog Groundhog fight.

Jack: So throw Steve at Jesus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's gonna fail real hard.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because Jesus look, this fight's gonna go like. Do you remember that movie where the people were like magicians and then they got like. They were like secretly thieves. And the greatest trick ever was the movie. And then the end is them robbing the bank or whatever. They were explaining the whole thing throughout the movie until the heist gets pulled.

Cristina: Off and like, yes, the cops was chasing them, but it turns out the cop is actually one of the magicians.

Jack: Yes, Mark Ru. Magician of them all.

Cristina: I don't. Okay, what about it?

Jack: Well, that movie where they are doing that, I figure. I figured that that's kind of how it would play out between Steve and Jesus. I feel like they're.

Cristina: He's the greatest magician who.

Jack: Jesus.

Cristina: He's like movie magic. Magic.

Jack: Yeah. He's mind bogglingly magical.

Cristina: Yeah. Nothing too crazy, but just crazy in the. No one can actually do this.

Jack: Okay, fair enough. Look. So Steve, the legit demigod, versus Jesus, the totally human illusionist who's just really clever with his hands.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He's gonna beat this overpowered groundhog.

Cristina: But his illusions are so real.

Jack: Yeah. With his sleight of hand.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He's gonna. With the power of sleight of hand, j defeated the groundhog.

Cristina: Okay, so how are you bringing him back?

Jack: Okay, I don't know, because cryostasis is pretty complicated, and it seems we don't know how to reverse a problem in which the blood vessels themselves freeze and just become icicles.

Cristina: What if we find a vampire? Could that help?

Jack: I'm not sure that would bring them back. I'm pretty sure the vampire still has a circulatory system that functions.

Cristina: Vampires can turn humans into vampires.

Jack: Right, but now what are you gonna do if the blood isn't pumping around this person's veins?

Cristina: We pump it first. We can't do that somehow? Oh, no. That's part of the problem. Okay. Okay. What else?

Jack: Well, we have to figure out what else, ultimately, because cryostasis is so complicated. So undoing the fact now. First we got to try to understand what the h*** cryostasis is and is like the person conscious on the other side. So you've died. The light's gonna go out, but we stop you right. Right before.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Then we throw you in a tank of water, and then we fill it up with some liquid that creates the solution that essentially freezes you. Are you conscious in that time? Are you seeing the outside world?

Cristina: I don't know. You're probably dead.

Jack: Do you feel that? So you're not there the whole time. They have to. Literally, there is a revival actually happening.

Cristina: Like bringing someone back from dead?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Right?

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: Except you never died. They stopped it. That's the point.

Cristina: Yeah, then it's more like being in a dream.

Jack: Look, were you dreaming? Is the point. Because your brain still had to be functional in order to be brought back.

Cristina: I don't know. You probably were. People who wake up from that stuff, remember things.

Jack: But then the question is, do you remember the entire time?

Cristina: No, I doubt it.

Jack: Not the entire time. But you. Is it like the longest dream you've ever had? And there's like a million billion dreams because it's been so long.

Cristina: There's no way you can remember all those dreams, though. You'll just remember a few last dreams, maybe.

Jack: Well, the question is then, what about people in comas? Do people in comas feel that they were in a dream?

Cristina: I bet they do. Because don't people come back from things like that? I don't know about comas, maybe comas, but like, they come back with life, life after death experience, whether it's like heaven, h***, or living as someone else. Those are just dreams.

Jack: Yeah. Okay, fair enough. Those are definitely just dreams. There's no way they really just became another person. That wouldn't make sense.

Cristina: So I don't know. They're not dead dead and sometimes.

Jack: But we don't always know why somebody comes out of a coma, which would be the closest thing we have on a regular basis of bringing somebody out of death, a coma. Because we can sort of, to some degree manage a coma. But we don't always know why a person comes out of a coma or what's holding them in the coma to begin with.

Cristina: Yeah, it's usually something random or I guess we don't know at all. They just wake up.

Jack: They just pop up. They suddenly start recovering or not recovering, but wake up. Just wake up?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why'd they wake up? Who the h*** knows? And it's always random. Like maybe they'll wake up.

Cristina: So are we just gonna hope that Jesus wakes up?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So one of the first things we could try would be to go real old school and we just take him out of the tank and CPR him.

Cristina: What?

Jack: That is the most consistently used, most old school and effective form of revival cpr.

Cristina: But never on someone. Not like in his condition.

Jack: Never on somebody in his condition. But he has brought people back from the dead.

Cristina: How long were they dead for?

Jack: There have been people who've been dead for minutes. And this brings them back because he's been.

Cristina: Wait, I guess it might not have been that long. Because if we got him right at the moment that they hid his body and then we put him in the machine, although it's probably been a week or two. It's been like two weeks now.

Jack: Something like that. Yeah, sure.

Cristina: Yeah. So maybe it's safe.

Jack: Yeah. Because presumably what the liquid of cryostasis is doing is slowing down the process up to almost a. A full stop, the process of death. But it's not fully stopped. So all we have to do is re. Speed it up. Right.

Cristina: You know how to do it?

Jack: Well, we could do. See we just undo him and put cpr.

Cristina: So that's it.

Jack: Undo it and pump his heart, push oxygen in there and start pumping.

Cristina: That sounds very easy.

Jack: Hope it jump starts him.

Cristina: Is there a chance that that will fail? If that fails, does he die?

Jack: I mean, I'm pretty sure in every option, if we fail to revive him, he's dead.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Like, if we try it and it doesn't do anything and we just put him back in the box, will he be okay?

Jack: I don't know if that's how that will work, but we could always try. We could always just throw him back in.

Cristina: Yeah. Just keep retrying with different things.

Jack: Yeah, but we would have to obviously come to a conclusion. To what? A couple of things that we would try first. Okay, I'm just gonna randomly try.

Cristina: Just do everything. Okay. That sounds like a good one, though. Yeah, it doesn't seem like anything could go wrong.

Jack: What, and giving him cpr?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Well, alternatively, way old school, the defibrillator is a way to go. We go get a defibrillator, we pull him out of the tank, and then we just hit him with electricity a couple of times to the chest. Who knows? Maybe think about it. Shocks, warms the body.

Cristina: He's all wet.

Jack: Yeah, it's gonna conduct well.

Cristina: It's gonna kill him. Burn him up. He's gonna be on fire.

Jack: Do you think he'll be on fire? Yeah, it depends if that liquid is flammable or not.

Cristina: What if it's super flammable?

Jack: What if it's not flammable at all?

Cristina: Wait, is it the liquid in his blood?

Jack: No, I don't. I mean, it has to be at this point, right? How long has he been in cryostasis? How is it not three weeks? No, no, no. He's been in cryostasis for 2,000 years.

Cristina: Then we just put him in a time trial. No, we came back from the time travel. Oh, I thought we brought him back.

Jack: No, no, no, no. He's been in cryostasis for 2000 years. We only went back in time to put him in cryostasis. We didn't bring him with us.

Cristina: Yes, I forgot.

Jack: Santa Claus bring him to us as a gift.

Cristina: Duh. Okay, let's not do that. Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay, so anything we do to him is super risky.

Jack: Yeah, everything's gonna have risk. I am thinking that the defibrillator is definitely gonna have a little more of an oomph, and chances are it might work more. It is electricity. We are trying to Bring him out of a sort of frozen imitation state. And it seems like electricity to the heart, to the brain, that can do it. That could be the thing. It would heat again. It would course through the body, heating up random little bits. He's not literally frozen. But it's imitating frozen. Maybe. But then maybe because he's not literally frozen, it's a bad idea.

Cristina: It might be a bad idea. I don't know. We gotta talk to an expert. Ask them. One of those people in that weird website that we saw about. What the. The cryostasis people. Ask them if you could defl.

Jack: They don't know how it works.

Cristina: Oh, so if you ask them if you could do that to one of.

Jack: Them, they don't know how it works? They know because they're waiting on the technology themselves.

Cristina: Like anyone's trying, though.

Jack: Why would they try? The purpose of freezing the person would be defeated. If right now is when you. Because you just kill them.

Cristina: What if someone put that in their will? I want you to leave me frozen for this long and then leave me.

Jack: Regardless of how far technology has gone.

Cristina: Why has no one done that?

Jack: Who knows? Maybe somebody has.

Cristina: That's a crazy.

Jack: Maybe they're like, when the last living member of my bloodline is born, I want to be woken up. Or when the last living member of my bloodline is like 20 years old, I want to meet what they're like. So I want to. That's when you bring me out.

Cristina: Yes. Even if the tech is not ready.

Jack: Yeah. Which doesn't make sense because you just wake up and die.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or not even wake up. You'll just die. You'll just take you out. Boom, flop. Which I'm expecting would happen. Which is why we need to figure out what to do to Jesus right off the bat to resurrect them.

Cristina: Okay, so I'm still not sure about that one.

Jack: The defibrillator.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's a bit aggressive.

Cristina: I feel like we could hurt him.

Jack: But he's gonna be dead if we do nothing. So, like electricity over, no electricity.

Cristina: Okay, maybe.

Jack: I think that works a lot. Alternatively, there's a bunch of magic options that we can use.

Cristina: Those are the only non magic options.

Jack: I mean, there are other science y options that aren't magic, but.

Cristina: No, let's hear about the magic.

Jack: But voodoo is. Again, he's not. He's not alive. Technically, we wouldn't be able to use his magic. We'd be stuck using magic on him, which would defeat the purposes of what we need. But if crap got Bad. And we need, for whatever reason, to.

Cristina: No, that doesn't make sense, Uncle Bernie. Yeah, like, we don't need to do that. What is the purpose of that?

Jack: To fake his aliveness.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Somebody came to visit, and we wanted to pretend he was alive. So that they don't know he's dead. Nah, because they'll think the second crucifixion happened. Or saved again.

Cristina: Why are we gonna confuse people? Let's not do that.

Jack: Okay. Non voodoo, black magic. This is a weird one, because we'd be literally using the forces of evil. We, you know, make some sort of animal sacrifice, gather a couple of things here and there. This is the way to go. This is definitely on the better side of options. Find an animal, cut it open, spill its blood over a thing. You know, the whole ritual thing.

Cristina: But is it, like, supernatural, that you have to, like, give up your soul if you make the deal?

Jack: Well, this is magic. This isn't a deal with a demon.

Cristina: Oh, it's not. It's not gonna lead to a deal with a demon or anything.

Jack: No, no, no.

Cristina: The magic isn't asking for anything.

Jack: No. I mean, it's black magic. Something always goes wrong. But, yeah, probably not predictable like that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But black magic is definitely one of the ways to go.

Cristina: Mm. Because we don't actually have to do the black magic.

Jack: We don't have to do the black magic. We have creatures that know magic or advanced technology, which is this magic. I don't know when it's magic and. Or technology anymore.

Cristina: It sounds like magic.

Jack: It sounds like magic, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What if it's nature tech?

Cristina: Nature tech, who knows?

Jack: Right. But yeah, so we can definitely approach bringing Jesus back from the dead with black magic. A lot of the issues with this one is these black magic tactics always tend to come back to Satan, and it's unlikely that, like, they'll work. Even if they did work in every other instance, why would Satan allow them to work if it was to revive Jesus Christ? So I think the technical issue here relies more on who is for rather than its true effectiveness. And on average, I'm sure that black magic would just be effective.

Cristina: But because it's Jesus, Satan's gonna be like, nah.

Jack: Yeah. And it won't be effective.

Cristina: Why would Satan care?

Jack: Because Satan doesn't want it to be Jesus. Satan doesn't like Jesus.

Cristina: Why? He doesn't know Jesus. You think he knows him? He's not just some dude claiming stuff. You think Satan knows him?

Jack: Satan might know. Look, no. If Jesus is who he says he.

Cristina: Is, then yeah, we shouldn't risk it. Okay, what if he takes his body? Maybe we make a deal like that.

Jack: Give Satan his body.

Cristina: Yes. Still thinking, like, supernatural.

Jack: Yeah. No, this wouldn't work. Look, there's no crossroads demon happening. This is not a crossroads demon scenario. This is just magic. You're gonna put the things together, you're gonna throw some of their hair, you're gonna light their picture on fire. Say a thing, your lights are gonna go out. A demonic voice is gonna say something, and then lights are gonna come back on, and then your dead missing person is gonna be in front of you, and you're gonna be horrified.

Cristina: Mm. Mm. That doesn't sound so bad, minus the.

Jack: Whole dead person's not fronting part.

Cristina: Well, he's not dead.

Jack: And in the case of Jesus, he's already the kind of type of dude who would mess around with these kind of special effects, so.

Cristina: Exactly. So you don't know if it's from him.

Jack: Yeah, so Houdini ness, he likes go out, whatever. Then Poofy's there, and he's like, hey, cool, it worked. You're like, yeah, whatever, dude. It was the end of one of your tricks or whatnot. What? Not sure. Sure, sure.

Cristina: It could be him. Oh, that's interesting.

Jack: Thus making him ultimately the best magician.

Cristina: Can he rob a bank?

Jack: He probably robbed the bank in the time we were doing that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: With his superhuman speed, of course. Okay, but look, we are talking about magic. We got voodoo out of the way. We got black magic. But there is a different type of magic that is also really exaggeratedly strong. And we don't even understand how it works. Saint magic, saints magic. Some saints literally brought people back from the dead with prayer, with it, I guess, with, like, the touch of their hand.

Cristina: Where was their hand touching?

Jack: You know, it was touching. They came in, jumped right back up with a little pip in their stuff. But look, no, it's totally the case. Some of the saints were, in fact, bringing people back from the dead, which brings an interesting point here. In the situation where this is the option that we had to use, we would need to go back in time to go get the guy who can fix the problem that we created by going back in time. So if this was the option we chose in good old time travel fashion, the solution to time travel is time travel.

Cristina: We're stuck in a loop. That's what happens when you use a time machine.

Jack: No, always 100% of the time just.

Cristina: Trapped using the time machine. It's the only solution. No, just be going back and Then coming back and then going back and then coming back.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. We totally were trying to avoid this. And then we didn't use that for years. We didn't touch that machine for years. And then we touched the machine once, and we're right back where it wasn't touched for years. So I see why the previous set of clones stopped.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And we continued the tradition of not.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Until we did.

Cristina: So we did. And now we have to do it again.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because in either direction, we began the problem with time travel. It seems like we could only solve it a lot. Time. With time travel.

Cristina: Oh, no. I was gonna say, are there any saints right now? But we now just wait for them to die before making them saints. Were they saints and a lot like they're alive saints or they weren't actually saints when they're alive.

Jack: They weren't saying something.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But listen to me. Here's what's fascinating about your question. This means that there's people out there who aren't saints who are performing power.

Cristina: Like things right now.

Jack: Go to.

Cristina: I don't know how.

Jack: Yes. Oh, how we're gonna find them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because there are people with powers out there. That part's right.

Cristina: We investigate every church.

Jack: They don't have to be religious. Maybe they're just doing things. There's a bunch of people who'll never become saints because they're doing crooked things with their powers.

Cristina: But those are gonna be hard to find. I feel like it's way easier to just find the people who are more obviously gonna have those people in there that.

Jack: Yeah. The people who want the attention, who want to be saints, are gonna hang out in the places where they're most likely to get that attention.

Cristina: Mm. But I feel like there hasn't been any. I don't know. I don't pay attention.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: It's a problem or anything.

Jack: If we were into the church and things of that nature and heavily paying attention all the time, then we would, like. It would be like, sports would be like, oh, this saint's gonna be drafted or whatever.

Cristina: Well, this pope is gonna be drafted or whatever.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'd be all into it. You know, like, who's team leader this. These next couple of years, or when.

Cristina: I feel like time travel is way easier.

Jack: What? Than finding a saint.

Cristina: Yeah. Someone that's alive right now who's not a saint yet, who's on their way to become a saint.

Jack: But we can always go and get a saint from the past.

Cristina: Exactly. So that's what we should do.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Time travel.

Jack: Time travel seems to always be the solution to solve the problems of time travel.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That is an endless, infinite, always kind of problem. So this is definitely like, a winning possibility. Just go get the guy who literally has the power to bring somebody back from the dead.

Cristina: Yes, yes, yes, yes. It's the only way.

Jack: It's not the only way.

Cristina: It's not. What's the other ways?

Jack: There's probably other ways. We're gonna find that out.

Cristina: You said saints brought people back to life.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Do you know any of their stories?

Jack: There's a couple. I don't know them off the top of my head, but I remember them. Yeah. Oh, I remember. Saints bring. Specifically.

Cristina: I remember.

Jack: I don't know why I was looking this up a long time ago, but I did stumble upon stories of saints and their revival of people. They're bringing people back from the dead. And crazy healing things too. Blindness and whatnot. Exaggerated things.

Cristina: Okay, yeah. But yeah, and Jesus probably brought people back to life.

Jack: Probably. I don't remember. But yeah, sure, why not? He's definitely the type of guy who would do that. Him and his apostles all bringing people back from the dead. So if that's the case, one of them. One of them should be able to bring Jesus back.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Especially if we're like, hey, we're from the future and Jesus needs you.

Cristina: I know who to bring back. Even though he really. He doesn't relate to Jesus at all.

Jack: Who St. Patrick did St. Patrick bring? Why would you bring the one guy to. He's so overpowered. He got Jehovah shaking in his boots.

Cristina: Exactly. Like, he might not have ever revived somebody, but he has the power.

Jack: He's pretty overpowered. Maybe he might be useful against a cat people.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, he can be useful in many ways.

Jack: Yeah. But also, we failed at getting something overpowered like that in the first place. We way under thought that plan. Huge hole.

Cristina: Okay, so it'll somehow be easier to get one of these things. Oh, I guess. If they know who we have. Okay, never mind.

Jack: Yeah, we're like, hey, help Jesus.

Cristina: I mean, why wouldn't St. Patrick help Jesus? That's his Jesus too.

Jack: Yes. Except he's not an apostle.

Cristina: And he must care.

Jack: I mean, I guess you don't have to be an apostle and. No, you're right. He should care. He should care. He hates demons and such.

Cristina: Yeah. So he must love Jesus.

Jack: He must love Jesus. But he's so off the, like, chain. He's so dangerous. He's a wild Card.

Cristina: He's a wild card.

Jack: He is. He does random things. He's a dangerous, dangerous person.

Cristina: Yes, I guess.

Jack: So we get him, okay? We get him and we get Jesus back from the dead. Then how do we control him? We got Jesus back from the dead. Now what?

Cristina: We have Jesus.

Jack: We can't even deal with the freaking cat people. We're going to mess with whatever the h*** St. Patrick is.

Cristina: Okay, then didn't Jesus.

Jack: Yeah, I think definitely dodge overpower.

Cristina: I mean, not Jesus. One of his dudes.

Jack: Yeah, because it's too dangerous. It's too dangerous. Guy who just overpowers Jehovah as a God himself. That's. We're messing with some big potatoes.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, that'd be so cool. Well, okay.

Jack: I mean, the question.

Cristina: Maybe another time, would.

Jack: Would Steve. If we threw Steve at St. Patrick, how would that go?

Cristina: I don't know. St. Patrick would banish him. Like the snakes and the monsters.

Jack: Wouldn't it be an epic battle?

Cristina: No, he'll make him drown. He'll just go back in the water and then Steve would just walk into the water and drown.

Jack: What's up with that? Isn't that what he told all the snakes and stuff? Just leave?

Cristina: I guess. I don't know what he said, but they were so scared of him that they ran into the water and drowned.

Jack: Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, he has some hypnotic ability that makes him real op. Maybe he's not even overpowered. Think how the story goes. He really just told a bunch of crap to leave Ireland and it did, so. And then he went in and told Jesus. I mean, not Jesus. He told Jehovah, hey, let me run the thing. And then Jehovah was like, yeah, cool. He's not actually doing anything other than one really overpowered thing. He has some ability of suggestibility.

Cristina: Oh, crap. He's a magician, too?

Jack: Oh, no, his hypnosis.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: He tells people, hey, do the thing. And they just do the thing. They don't know why.

Cristina: This means these saints aren't reviving people. They're doing magic power.

Jack: Well, they do have powers.

Cristina: Not real power.

Jack: Why? That doesn't mean that he doesn't. Like, St. Patrick doesn't know he's doing it. He thinks he has a power and.

Cristina: Think they have a power.

Jack: But what are they doing that they're bringing people back from the dead?

Cristina: I don't know. They're doing some trick and it's bringing them back. But they might not be dead to begin with. They might just seem dead. They have this trick. It does the job.

Jack: So we go ahead, we find one of these guys, we bring Jesus out of the tank, and this guy does this thing, and Jesus just stays dead. Cause he's actually dead.

Cristina: So we probably might not do that. I don't know.

Jack: But Jesus isn't actually dead. That's why he's in cryostasis.

Cristina: But can their magic. No, he's just. What's happening to him is too advanced to the stuff that they're used to dealing with.

Jack: They're dealing with magic. It's so different. No, if it is magic.

Cristina: If it is magic. Are you risking it?

Jack: He's dying anyways. We're trying to pick what we're gonna do.

Cristina: Exactly. So we should find the best solution. Yeah.

Jack: Now we're going through them.

Cristina: Okay. I'm just saying this one may not be it.

Jack: Oh, why? I think this is definitely a way more likely candidate. This and probably the defibrillator. I feel like electricity is a way to go. That's a strong, strong candidate.

Cristina: I don't know. I feel like we're just going to kill him.

Jack: He's dying either way. The only outcome where he doesn't die is if this works.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He said regardless of not.

Cristina: Mm. Mm.

Jack: So next thing that we could try would be to actually let him die.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because then we go ahead and we buy a Ouija board and we tell him that he needs to go and become a detective. And that that way he can find his body and come back to life.

Cristina: I don't understand.

Jack: We're gonna make him become a spirit detective.

Cristina: What is a spirit detective?

Jack: Spirit detective is a person who is a detective for the spirit world.

Cristina: I don't understand what you're talking about.

Jack: Yeah, there's demons and stuff that get loose from the spirit world, and you gotta catch them and take them back to the spirit world.

Cristina: Is this a cartoon?

Jack: Yes. Based on the Yu Hakusho.

Cristina: Okay. That's okay. You have to be a spirit first.

Jack: Yes. You become a spirit, and then you have to earn your body back. So we put Jesus, who is way into challenges.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we tell him with a. An Ouija board. Yo, become. Go to this spirit precinct and talk to the spirit cop office. The detective. Spirit mode.

Cristina: This sounds very risky.

Jack: And then he's gonna go into the spirit, you know, police station.

Cristina: What if he's not interested in coming back? What if he's cool with the spare world?

Jack: Well, he this. Then it would fail.

Cristina: Regardless of what we're doing. If he wants to die.

Jack: Yeah, if he wants to be dead.

Cristina: Huh? Huh? Huh? Crap. What do we do to stop? What if we put mittens on his hands?

Jack: For what?

Cristina: I don't know. So he won't kill himself.

Jack: Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. This is the. The assumption here is we bring Jesus back to life, he realizes he came to life, and then he just immediately tries to commit suicide because he believes or not he believes. He's like, I should have died.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I want to be dead.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I said all that stuff so they would kill me.

Cristina: He was prepared to die. We took him, took that moment from him. Yeah, he's miserable. What if he's like data? He's like, this isn't real. I just need death.

Jack: Well, plot. Tw. Is the world godless now? Because we stole Jesus and he didn't actually die, and so no sins were.

Cristina: Cleansed, I think because we snatched him. He's in heaven.

Jack: No, we snatched Jesus, who dies for the sins.

Cristina: Oh, he never actually died for the sins.

Jack: He never actually died for the sins.

Cristina: Well, the first time, he never actually died for the sins. I mean, he died for a second, but does that really count?

Jack: Yeah, it was kind of cheating, wasn't it?

Cristina: Yeah, like, he was kind of cheating.

Jack: Died for your sins. And it's like, well, he didn't stay dead for your sins.

Cristina: I couldn't stay dead. It doesn't matter. He could. He slept for our sins.

Jack: I mean, yeah, it's like death to him totally didn't matter. And he totally was a spirit, bro. Which means this could have worked. Maybe he was fading in and out of random moments, and people saw him here and there. But we could have directly communicated with him because he was already trying to communicate from the other side.

Cristina: When was that?

Jack: All the times they saw him after he died. But we then changed history by actually putting him in the thing. So he didn't show up anywhere as a spirit because he never died.

Cristina: But there's still stories like that, so that has nothing to do with anything.

Jack: Well, they think he died.

Cristina: Exactly. So they always thought he died, like it doesn't matter when.

Jack: Those stories so happened. Interesting. But he never actually visited any of them. Fascinating.

Cristina: Time travel.

Jack: Well, we solved that. There's a lot of weird things happening. Like that time that those guys were in the furnace and Jesus popped up. Like, what's that? He was in cryostasis.

Cristina: Was he? That was the story after he was dead, I guess, because I thought he was alive somewhere. I have no idea where that story takes place.

Jack: That's not after he died.

Cristina: I don't know how long the story.

Jack: Goes after his death or before he was born. This is also weird. Stories like that. Yeah, like, hold Jesus and then, like before he's even born, showing up.

Cristina: I have no idea. The timeline is weird.

Jack: Yeah. It's unclear what's happening with Jesus, but, yeah, he can go through those trials and tribulations and become a spirit detective, which is right up his alley. Get vanquish evil or.

Cristina: What does he have to, like, fight and stuff?

Jack: Yeah. And he's a pacifist.

Cristina: Yeah. That doesn't make sense.

Jack: He hangs out with murders. I doubt he's really a pacifist. I'm sure that's just.

Cristina: But he has them fighting for him. He's like the boss, dude. The ash. No, like the mob boss. I don't know. He gets his bodyguards or whoever, apostles.

Jack: To do his dirty bidding.

Cristina: Yeah, they're the ones that murder and kill for him. He doesn't have to get his hands dirty.

Jack: Hey, Peter. Go get him. Go get him, Peter. Yeah, boss. Hey, I get him, boss.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Jesus. I got him. Balls, Bob. Jesus.

Cristina: I doubt they sound like. I don't even know what that's supposed to sound.

Jack: Neither do I. But look, if he did become a spirit detective and then he did reclaim his body. We have his body.

Cristina: How long is this process?

Jack: It could take a while. And then they're gonna give him a little egg and he has to rehatch his soul or something. I don't know. I don't remember exactly the details of it. He has to raise it, and then it's gonna be a real spirit animal. India, in the human world, he's gonna have a spirit animal. If we do this, Jesus gets a spirit buddy, but a pet.

Cristina: He has to be in the animal.

Jack: No.

Cristina: What does that animal have to do with anything?

Jack: If the animal dies, he dies. So we'll always hold that over his head. We'll trap the animal in a cage and we'll tell him that he has to stay with us or kill the animal.

Cristina: That's the dumbest thing ever.

Jack: And because he's Jesus, he doesn't want the animal to die.

Cristina: What?

Jack: It also would kill him. Even if he wants to die, he doesn't. He's still Jesus. So we got him. He's alive against his will because that means that animal dies. Now he must live at all. This is a really good one, actually, Because Jesus told himself on earth, die. So we go ahead and we put him to being a spirit detective, and then he becomes human after he gets his little spirit why would he want.

Cristina: To do any of that?

Jack: And he hatches it, and he has a spirit egg that.

Cristina: What if he doesn't want to do any of that?

Jack: If he doesn't want to do it, we'll figure something else out. But if he did want to do it, we would get him. As soon as he hatches this egg, however many months, years down the line, we trap the animal. We trap it.

Cristina: How would we see it if it's a spirit animal?

Jack: No, we can. It's. It looks physical to us.

Cristina: How do you know?

Jack: I've seen all of this before. And then we catch it.

Cristina: Weren't they dead and they came back to life? So that would mean they would see it. Like.

Jack: Everybody sees it.

Cristina: You're positive?

Jack: Yes. It's like a weird alien creature. But look, now we have it. And they forever. Jesus has to listen to us because now this animal will be hurt. And he doesn't want that. And that is a huge trump card. This is a double whammy. He gets his body back, and we get a way to put a check on him if he does turn out to be overpowered.

Cristina: Unless he doesn't care.

Jack: Unless he doesn't care. But if he did care. Boom.

Cristina: Kabla, kablam, kablam.

Jack: If he does want to do it in order to get his body back, because I doubt he just wants to be dead, then we got him.

Cristina: And if he just wants to be.

Jack: Dead, then we'll figure something else out.

Cristina: That's very tricky. Okay.

Jack: And why would he just want to be dead?

Cristina: Because what if he just wanted to be dead back then?

Jack: If that was the case? But I highly doubt he was just a suicidal emoji.

Cristina: There's so many.

Jack: There are, but I doubt he was one of them.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: He was a ringleader. What kind of ringleaders? A suicidal emo. He's probably some jock douche wad at most.

Cristina: No, he's surrounded by them.

Jack: Probably be so easy to trick into doing this. He's like, bro, you could totally be a cop. Whoa, Goose cop. I'm super on board.

Cristina: Maybe.

Jack: You know, he'll totally be down. He doesn't care. He was down with whoever. That's the most hippie crap ever, dude. He's down for anything. He was like, that guy is a total.

Cristina: He was down to die.

Jack: Yes. But now, because we know he was even down to die. So in this case, we'll be like, hey, you're down to do this? And he'll be like, yeah, whatever. But then his rules are we don't hurt anybody. And that's when the animal comes in. It will be his fault directly if the animal gets hurt, and he doesn't want that. So we forever hold him immortal and with us. And we can hold that bird. And if he tries to do anything with. Against us, we kill the bird anyways. Killing him. Turning Jesus into our weapon. We're gonna turn Jesus into our weapon.

Cristina: Are you sure they give him a bird?

Jack: Yes, it comes from a spirit egg or something.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it hatches into a little blue furball thing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, it looks like Furby. Oh, it's hideous. It's horrible.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But, yeah, it evolves and it's part of who you are.

Cristina: All right. That's an interesting plan.

Jack: It's definitely a way to go. Another way we could go is what you were mentioning a crossroads demon.

Cristina: Yes. Really?

Jack: That is. But again, this is a hard one because it's right up there with, like, using black magic in the case of a crossroads demon. Is he just going to deliver the soul of Christ back to the body of Christ in exchange for my soul 10 years from now?

Cristina: Well, we wouldn't sacrifice our souls when.

Jack: It comes to crossroad demons. Yeah.

Cristina: Why can't we just get someone else to do it and sacrifice their soul?

Jack: Oh, we could do that.

Cristina: You've got workers.

Jack: But, like, yes, 100% and they're down. So we'll just use one of them, one of the subhuman.

Cristina: So what could go wrong?

Jack: Well, the question here is we do this, we get the person, they do it. Would the demon bring the soul of Jesus back to the body of Jesus?

Cristina: Yeah. No. I don't know.

Jack: Why would he. Woody, why would a demon bring the soul of Jesus back to the body of Jesus?

Cristina: Maybe he'll do it for a certain amount of souls. Maybe he has a system like, oh, if you give me 10, it has.

Jack: To be worth the soul of Jesus. That's. That's the. The lopsided way here.

Cristina: Yes. He could have Jesus soul after Jesus dies.

Jack: So we're not even. Fair enough. He's bringing the soul of Jesus back, but temporarily, like, you get to keep the soul of Jesus, too, after he dies. Interesting.

Cristina: Does that work? I mean, that doesn't work for Jesus.

Jack: But he doesn't even know in, like, whatever. He was already apparently in h***.

Cristina: He was in h***.

Jack: That's how the demons got him out. Oh, when he dies after we pull him out of the thing.

Cristina: Oh, wait.

Jack: The problem is, when we take him out of stasis, he dies immediately.

Cristina: Ah. Okay. And that's why the demons.

Jack: We don't know how to undo stasis. We're just trying a bunch of other s***, huh? But it would work, right? His body's fresh.

Cristina: Yes. Okay, so we have to assume that Jesus soul is going to h***.

Jack: Yeah, we have to assume Jesus is going to h*** first for this plan to work.

Cristina: Or this demon would sneak into heaven just to get Jesus. So that's crazy.

Jack: Yeah, fair enough. Even if it's a whole entire espionage mission to us, it feels instant.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In their abstract, outside of time, they could do a whole invasion, get the soul of Jesus from heaven, bring it. But, like, why would they do all that for my measly waxhole? And if they could do that, why haven't they already just done that?

Cristina: Okay, well, because it's in him right now.

Jack: Yeah, fair enough.

Cristina: It has to go somewhere else and then they can get it.

Jack: I don't think that. I don't think they're gonna risk it. I don't think they're gonna do. And they're just gonna keep the soul of Jesus down there? They're not gonna help. It's too valuable.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: It's too risky. What kind of a stupid demon would. Would you leave that guy doing that job if you got the soul of Jesus Christ somehow, and then you come in like, hey, where is it Bob? And Bob's like, well, this other guy was like, hey, I know I'm like a nobody, but I'll give you my soul if you bring Jesus and you can keep Jesus afterwards. And then it's like, well, that. No, I'm a nobody to begin with. So they're just like, why would you do that? For this, like, worthless other soul.

Cristina: That's where that guy get Jesus soul.

Jack: Yeah, but, like, what if Jesus figures out how to undo it? Ah, he's a slippery one, that Jesus.

Cristina: Okay, that's possible.

Jack: He's a slippery one, that Jesus.

Cristina: Last thing you want a good idea.

Jack: It does. It does. Okay, so we don't do the crossroads because it doesn't work out, or demons don't want to help, or it's too hard to get Jesus out of heaven because he didn't actually go to h***. Fine. What if we did alchemy and opened the gate?

Cristina: How would that help?

Jack: Well, then we go ahead and we pull Jesus out of the gate back into his body.

Cristina: Will that be that same Jesus? Wouldn't that be a different Jesus?

Jack: Well, we're gonna look for that same Jesus. We gotta go to the other side.

Cristina: To wherever it would be a Jesus without magic.

Jack: We're gonna bring him back to the place where magic happens. That's the point.

Cristina: And he'd be able to use the magic?

Jack: Yeah, he's from over there. Look, Edward lost his ability to use magic. But if you were to bring him back, he'd use magic. It's because over there is where magic is impossible, okay? It's the location, not the individual. Jesus would still be able to do magic on this side.

Cristina: Except there is no magic here. We are the other side. We just haven't figured out what is really going on. Because there is no magic.

Jack: It's all technology. Yeah, it's always technology.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Including black magic.

Cristina: Yes. So we haven't really figured. It's just a bunch of question marks.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. For real.

Cristina: So, I don't know. That plan doesn't sound bad. But don't we have to sacrifice something in that plan, too?

Jack: No, we'll get a Philosopher's Stone.

Cristina: Don't we have to sacrifice things to get the Philosopher's Stone?

Jack: We'll find an already made Philosopher's Stone.

Cristina: Where?

Jack: Don't know. We could find things. So we're good at finding things. We found a plethora of things.

Cristina: You think we'll find that?

Jack: I mean, we should be able to, shouldn't we?

Cristina: How?

Jack: That's the one thing we wouldn't find of all the things. Come on.

Cristina: Because that's complicated.

Jack: How?

Cristina: Like, isn't that made through many souls or something?

Jack: Right. Why would that mean that there isn't one to track down?

Cristina: Where would he even start?

Jack: I don't know. We found so many things. Where is this doubt coming from?

Cristina: Because this is a thing. And usually we find living things, not objects.

Jack: We will apply the logic we use to find living things to this one object.

Cristina: Because we're not object Hunters, but this.

Jack: Object will allow us to hunt a living thing back to life.

Cristina: It seems tricky, unless you have an idea where we would start looking for it.

Jack: Well, no, the idea would be that we know. We get the gist of how it works. We wouldn't just, hey, we're gonna go right now and find it. This is where it has to be this very moment. Obviously, an investigation would be run. We would figure out where it's most probably at, where we could find one of these. Then we would go retrieve it. I don't know off the top of my head, where it's like, hey, here's a map. This is where it is. I'd have it by now if that Were the case.

Cristina: But, like, do. Are we in a rush? Is Jesus about to die?

Jack: If we know Jesus only dies once we bring him out of the cryostasis.

Cristina: Okay, so he'll just stay there forever? Yeah.

Jack: He's already been there 2,000 years.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He'll wait. He'll be fine.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The moment we take him out, we need to apply one of these things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In order to bring him out.

Cristina: I don't. Okay, that makes sense.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Do something. We don't have to do it quick. Okay.

Jack: No, there's no rush. But definitely pulling a soul from the other side of the gate. One way to go.

Cristina: A very odd way to go. I don't know how that's gonna work.

Jack: Okay, what do you mean?

Cristina: Because that's not from here. That's over there when he dies. The gate. Like, how do we get to the gate?

Jack: We're gonna do alchemy to open it.

Cristina: But we can't do alchemy here. Or at least not the same way.

Jack: We don't know that. We don't know that. We're gonna figure out if we can.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Have you tried alchemy to figure it out?

Cristina: No.

Jack: Then what are you making these assumptions based on? We'll find out.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: We'll find out. Find out. Many options. Now, obviously, the time travel option itself of, you know, use. Use time, go forward or back and solve it somehow. We go forward. Hopefully the technology's there. We go back, we find somebody who can solve the problem. But that might also be bullcrap if it turns out that they were all bullshitting to begin with.

Cristina: Oh, yes, man, that might be a good one.

Jack: Yeah. There is a cheat sheet. We could. By the way, another way the time travel could work out is if we go back in time to the moment we were gonna go back in time and tell ourselves it doesn't work out, or go back in time to where we landed to get Jesus in the first place. And then we tell him not to do it because it's not gonna work out either way. We can cut ourselves off at one point or another and stop this from ever happening.

Cristina: Let's not do that.

Jack: But different thing that we could do is we could just go into a universe that has Jesus not in cryostasis, and then go back in time in that universe and s***** up Jesus and bring that Jesus forward, Thus having two Jesuses, the cryostasis Jesus and the non cryostasis Jesus.

Cristina: We get the non cryostasis Jesus to bring back.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Why do we need two little. What do we Do.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. But Jesus would be like, whoa, dude. And then he would bring himself back from the dead after we un. Cryostasis him and he dies, then he dies. Well, he's gonna die immediately after he's out of cryostasis. We just need somebody to bring him back to life somehow.

Cristina: And then Jesus is gonna do that.

Jack: Jesus will then bring Jesus back to.

Cristina: Life, and then he'll hopefully help us.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Which one?

Jack: Either or. We have two Jesus now. Jesus times two. In this case. Yeah. In this case, we end up with Jesus times two.

Cristina: Okay. That's the best plan I've ever heard.

Jack: This is pretty solid way to take this.

Cristina: That's going into a different world. Not world, universe.

Jack: We have to travel into a different universe to pull this one off.

Cristina: And do we have the technology?

Jack: Hopefully. I mean, we have the technology, and there's that giant rip in your backyard that takes us to universe three.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So, like, we could definitely get there.

Cristina: From what we know about over there, I think Jesus is dead.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: From what we've seen on the Internet and stuff.

Jack: Oh, everything. No, everything is theoretical. That's why nothing is real.

Cristina: Oh. Nothing is. Oh, he may or may not be.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes, yes. He may or may not be dead or may or may not even have even existed, so.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, we could still investigate.

Jack: Yes. But also because nothing is a sure thing. There might just be. No. There might just be no Jesus over there because nothing is real over there. Everything is a lie. Everything is made up. Everything is a conspiracy theory.

Cristina: But he'd also be walking among them without them knowing.

Jack: That's fair.

Cristina: So I don't know how he'd find him, though.

Jack: Well, here's a different one. We could gather all the Dragon Balls. Again, we're good at finding things.

Cristina: You think you'll find Dragon Balls?

Jack: If we're gonna. If any of these other options are gonna work, it's as plausible that we would find the Dragon Balls, get the Dragon Balls together, summon Shenron, and then get Shenron to bring Jesus back. And Shenron has no stake in it, so he will just bring Jesus back.

Cristina: How? How would we even look for the first Dragon Ball?

Jack: We're gonna find people who have already found some Dragon Balls, and then use their methods of fighting the Dragon Balls. It's just a matter of figuring out what clues tell us that somebody has Dragon Balls and then slowly stalking those people.

Cristina: What?

Jack: I got this all planned out. We're gonna figure it out.

Cristina: Okay, so we're gonna be spying on people who may have the Dragon Balls.

Jack: Yes. Anybody who's found more than one is looking for them. They spread out evenly throughout the world. Anybody who has more than one is looking for them.

Cristina: Yes. And they're going to be obvious.

Jack: We're going to figure it out. We have the ability to surveil everyone. Okay, what so we can surveil. We're going to. One of these is going to work. And when we know for sure, we know for sure which of these is the one that's going to be the best.

Cristina: And the Dragon Balls are on Earth.

Jack: The Dragon Balls are on Earth. One set of the Dragon Balls are in Earth. There's a different set that is spread out throughout the galaxy.

Cristina: Okay, and how many balls are there?

Jack: Seven.

Cristina: Seven. Okay, that doesn't sound so bad.

Jack: No. And if somebody has more than one, that means they know how to get some.

Cristina: And why would they want to help us?

Jack: They're not gonna help us. We're just gonna follow them until they get all the Dragon Balls and then we're gonna s***** them.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Like we're Team Rocket.

Jack: Good old Team Rocket plan. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Anyways, so look, this is definitely helpful. We. We have some plans, we have some ways of action to deal with Jesus. We're going to investigate these ways. We'll look into them, see which ones are the most effective, potentially which ones might pan out. Well, potentially.

Cristina: Love it.

Jack: And we're gonna try to bring Jesus Christ back from this cryostasis we put.

Cristina: Him in, hopefully with another Jesus.

Jack: Yeah, that would be great.

Cristina: Or we might have a groundhog fight.

Jack: That would be great too, if we could just throw Steve Adam and they have an epic battle.

Cristina: Two Jesus versus Steve.

Jack: Two Jesus versus Steve. Well, look, this is a topic we have never discussed before, although many of the topics in here have been discussed before, which means that there are episodes that could be found with similar topics in some of these. When it comes to time travel, parallel universe. When it comes to. There's a whole episode, there's several episodes about death, questions about death theory and the afterlife. The afterlife. All of that stuff. So much stuff going on. You guys can find all of that stuff. You can find us on social media as well Twitter and Instagram and on Facebook at just combo pod.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe and review the show.

Jack: Yes. Leave us ratings and let someone who.

Cristina: Might like this show know about it.

Jack: Because word of mouth is the most important breakfast of the morning. You should have several breakfasts in the morning. 12 to 13. Recommended by Most doctors.

Cristina: That's crazy. That's crazy.

Jack: You're supposed to feel full.

Cristina: No, this has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. But yeah, that's f***** up. People started to record and so many fakers were outed because of proof with proof. Actual interactions of imma. Say, I did this if you don't do what I want.

Cristina: Is it a good thing or a bad thing that we're just recording everything? Like, it seems to be helpful, but also we're. We don't like being spied on.

Jack: Look, it saved the guys that were innocent. And it's continuously happening. On the flip side, it looks to the women who are actually being victimized like it's dying again. Yeah, the movement is dissipating and it's entirely the fault of the women who are lying, who are getting caught lying. If you're gonna f****** lie about it, sell it so that the women who are truly innocent and getting raped can get their voice out. But you're so garbage at lying and you don't care about your gender. The f*** at all, definitely that you're just screwing over people actually getting raped because you wanted some money or attention or some bullshit.

Cristina: Probably attention. I don't know.

Jack: Ridiculous. Super ridiculous.

Cristina: Yes. But the camera thing. Weird.

Jack: No, it helped George Floyd's case, I guess. Although we had video before and nothing was happening. It doesn't really. I don't know.

Cristina: When does it change things?

Jack: Change things at George. I don't know.

Cristina: It's random.

Jack: It's random.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

December 10, 2022

Rambling 204: Cryostasis Christmas Present

December 10, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

Is cryostasis possible? Will the technology to properly manage it ever be perfected? Will Santa explain the origin of his “magic?” The duo compose a plan to simultaneously get ahold of Jesus Christ and Santa Clause with one absurdly intricate, highly convoluted, and mostly unnecessary plan.

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Topics Discussed:

Cryostasis
The Cryonics Institute
Jesus Christ
Time Machine
Technology of the Future
Santa Clause

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+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we grant humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And I have some green. Some great news. It's the greatest news.

Cristina: How great.

Jack: I think I came up with a way for us to honestly bring Hitler back in an actual ice cube.

Cristina: He would have to already be in an ice cube.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: So how is that possible?

Jack: That time machine we have over there, we're gonna. Right before he blows his own brains out, or they blow his brains out, or somebody kills him, or he dies, or he runs away or whatever the h*** happens following the events of World War II, we quickly s***** him and freeze him and put him, ironically, wherever Captain America was, just because that's funny.

Cristina: But why are we doing this to him from all people?

Jack: So that we can complete your wish of wanting Hitler to show up underneath the Christmas tree.

Cristina: That's not my wish. I want Jesus now.

Jack: You want Jesus now. But look. No, now we gotta do it with Hitler. But the good thing is, it's possible. That's crazy. Actually, now that you say Jesus, I do think that would be way more entertaining and actually cooler. Like, we'd have to go so much further back.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Thus confirming Jesus, kind of essentially destroying all arguments in opposition of him.

Cristina: And if we don't find him, we get Hitler because, like, that's our backup. I guess.

Jack: Yeah, I guess that could happen, too. If we go back and we just like, hey, who's. Where's Jesus? They're like, who's who? Who's Jesus, bro? But the point is that there's totally a way to do it. Yes, there's totally a way to accomplish this. We can actually.

Cristina: Wait, what's the plan?

Jack: So we're going to use a time machine that we tend to ignore because it messes everything up all the time. But this involves Jesus now. We have to do it.

Cristina: But. Okay, and what are we doing?

Jack: We're going back in time, and then we're going to freeze Jesus in an ice cube, and then you're going to go ask Santa for Jesus ice cube, and he'll go find where Jesus is.

Cristina: Why are we going in a.

Jack: What?

Cristina: There's something that doesn't make sense here.

Jack: What, the fact that we just kidnapped Jesus.

Cristina: We have a time machine to get him, but we need Santa?

Jack: Well, no, we have a time machine to go back and put him in.

Cristina: Ice and then what do we need Santa for?

Jack: Well, in the present, you're gonna ask Santa to give you Jesus under your Christmas tree.

Cristina: Why didn't we just take him with us?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: What?

Jack: But cryostasis is possible, I guess. I guess the reason we didn't take him with us is just so that he can be delivered as we suggested previously in an ice block.

Cristina: I feel like we could just take him with us, though.

Jack: Yeah, but you want Santa to give him to you.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: That's the point.

Cristina: Easier to have Salah just unfreeze him.

Jack: Well, we're gonna unfreeze him.

Cristina: What? And also, wouldn't freezing him just kill him in ice? We're just putting him in ice.

Jack: We're putting him in ice? Well, no, if we just put him in ice, horrible things will happen to him.

Cristina: He'll die.

Jack: He'll die. If we just put him in ice, he'll die. And we're not trying to kill Jesus. That's for the Jews to do. We're gonna stop him right before he does get killed, I guess. And then we're gonna put him in a block of ice.

Cristina: But wouldn't I kill him?

Jack: Well, no, because it's gonna be a cryostasis block of ice.

Cristina: What's the difference?

Jack: So one is gonna freeze your blood over, the other one's gonna avoid that happening. So, okay, in other words, the blood in your veins and in your arteries, the cells that make them up are gonna slowly turn into ice and create like little snowflakes, essentially.

Cristina: When you die.

Jack: Yeah, that's when you die, essentially. That's why you can't unfreeze a person, but you can unfreeze somebody from cryostasis. Just freezing somebody will murder them. But cryostasis, the logic would be you.

Cristina: Could undo it, but what's the difference? What are you doing in cryostasis?

Jack: Oh, well, there's some sort of liquid that's highly unstable, and you can pump a gas that stabilizes in there, but it's not actually cold necessarily as much as it is just stabilizing.

Cristina: Does it turn into ice, though, or. It looks like ice or something. I don't know if it actually freezing the person.

Jack: I think it's just fluid.

Cristina: Okay, so they're in water or something.

Jack: Yeah, you don't want the water to turn to ice, essentially.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And the gas stabilizes the liquid so that it doesn't turn to ice. But we can freeze him is the point. Or not freeze him. We can stasis him, put him in cryostasis.

Cristina: Put him to sleep.

Jack: Yes. And then get Santa to go find him, track him.

Cristina: I don't understand why we need to do that.

Jack: So that he can be put under your Christmas tree. Why Santa?

Cristina: Why do we need to.

Jack: Also, this is a way we can get Santa if we needed to catch him.

Cristina: That is an interesting idea. Why would we freeze him? We should just ask Santa to get him.

Jack: Why? If he'd be dead? Because the Jews would kill him.

Cristina: We could ask him to go back in time.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the question is, then we don't have to do anything. Just asking Santa to do anything. He'll just go and do it regardless of what it is.

Cristina: I guess as long as we've been.

Jack: Good, go murder Jesus.

Cristina: Except for that. No. I think you also have to ask for something good. And we're not asking him to murder.

Jack: Oh, we have to ask for something good.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: How is materialism good, Santa?

Cristina: I don't know. It's the top. That's the goodest thing you could ask for stuff. Stuff. He wants stuff.

Jack: Just get stuff.

Cristina: But we could have him bring Jesus from the past. It'll be a two part wish. You asked for him to time travel and I asked for him to come back with Jesus.

Jack: No, we wouldn't have to do that. Because based on the logic you're applying to Santa right now, the fact that he can even go back in time means we could just tell him, hey, I want Jesus from this year brought here right now.

Cristina: Actually, maybe this doesn't make sense. Does he have the power to time travel? I don't think so.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Have you ever heard about a time traveling Santa?

Jack: No, but why would we hear about it?

Cristina: Because we hear about all his other weird stuff.

Jack: Yeah, but if he traveled through time, unless he was going forward and it just looked like he missed for a really long time or traveled backwards and they don't remember anything that happened subsequently. It we like how? How would we know?

Cristina: How do we know? But what if he doesn't have the power though? So I guess we do need a time machine. If he doesn't have time travel as a power.

Jack: But now the question is, does he have time travel as a power?

Cristina: How would we know? I don't know. Because I don't know any stories of Santa traveling through time.

Jack: What are his powers? Essentially he can change his shape and size.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That allows him to travel through chimneys and stuff. He has some sort of aids.

Cristina: He could live forever.

Jack: He might live forever. He might be immortal.

Cristina: He might be immortal.

Jack: He can see and hear Everything. All the time.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Dude, even Jehovah doesn't have that. Dude, that's so nuts.

Cristina: He sees you when you're sleeping. Okay, yeah.

Jack: You could do things Jehovah doesn't see.

Cristina: Like what?

Jack: How the h*** did the snake get the fruit to Adam and Eve? If God saw that, then he intended for them to do that.

Cristina: Yes. So that he could punish them. Because he enjoys punishing.

Jack: He's a sadist.

Cristina: Yes. What are you talking about?

Jack: Yeah, he made a bunch of crap to destroy it all. I mean, I guess that's what a writer does, right?

Cristina: Mm. He enjoys punishing people as much as he enjoys.

Jack: Well, he can enjoy it. It doesn't make any sense.

Cristina: He's not a real God.

Jack: No, because that wouldn't be a real God. That's still a demigod. Getting enjoyment out of anything would still make you a demigod.

Cristina: Yeah, he's a demigod. Yeah.

Jack: Jehovah, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah, for sure.

Cristina: There's no way nothing about that story would make sense.

Jack: Nah, nothing about anything involving Jehovah would make sense.

Cristina: Exactly. No version of God that comes from any religion makes sense. If they're anything like these stories.

Jack: Yeah. They have straight up not care and not have a physical form because that also doesn't matter. Like, even the concept of acknowledging your creations wouldn't make sense because you don't give a f***. You. The concept of you alone makes no sense. And you're fully aware of that. And also you're aware of how it does make sense. Like all of the above.

Cristina: Yes. So, yeah, there's no actual God in any of these stories.

Jack: There's no actual God, the capacity, or there is a God and everybody's God.

Cristina: But none of these stories are telling the story.

Jack: Stories are telling the story of God. You're right. They're all just in the stories from.

Cristina: Random s*** from random demigods.

Jack: Maybe that means we're more God than those gods.

Cristina: How?

Jack: Because in theory, the mind is God. Right. That's what's happening in all those arguments that if it's a pure God, that's everything, then it's also nothing. And it must acknowledge all of that and somehow everything is it. Then the inside of your head is God. You're making everything your God. Yeah, because what would be the difference?

Cristina: What would make you more God than a demigod?

Jack: You made those things. Those things didn't make you the demigods. Yeah, demigods are some creation in the thing, while the real God is the big thing outside of the Thing?

Cristina: Yeah. You're saying we made the demigods?

Jack: Yeah, we made all the demigods. We had to. If. How do. Ah, man, I don't know. It's a very matrix, fourth dimensional point of view going on. But with a time machine, we'll also think more four dimensionally and then we can freeze Jesus.

Cristina: Yes. Okay, so then what are you. Why do we need Santa again?

Jack: Santa Claus is gonna go get Jesus Christ in cryostasis container.

Cristina: Why don't we. I don't understand why, if we're doing it ourselves already, we're kidnapping him, putting him in this machine.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: Why can't we just put the machine in the time machine? The machine that we're keeping him in?

Jack: Because the goal is to get Santa Claus.

Cristina: That's true. Why is he involved in this? I don't know. I feel like it's two different missions that don't relate. Why is this involved? Yeah, like why are you kidnapping.

Jack: I mean, might as well be practical and like make use of it at the same time.

Cristina: There's just like these two things don't seem to relate.

Jack: They're not. We're just knocking two birds out with one stone. We want both Santa Claus and Jesus.

Cristina: What's for?

Jack: I don't know. Experiments.

Cristina: Experiments. Because I know Santa probably can help us reach the other planet that. The planet gods or whatever.

Jack: You think. You think that's the solution?

Cristina: I think he could talk to Snow.

Jack: Think Santa could? I mean, look, he has to, right? That's exactly what like Frosty is. He's just.

Cristina: He's a freaking snow. Exactly.

Jack: He's just. No, he's sentient snow. Did Santa Claus make Frosty?

Cristina: I don't think so.

Jack: Sentient snow? What the h*** is snow?

Cristina: I don't know, but it became sentiments all by itself.

Jack: That's a question, right? Is it by itself? It was probably magic.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: I don't know. There was a lot of magic up in the North Pole during North Pole days.

Cristina: Where's the magic coming from?

Jack: That's an interesting question. You're suggesting that maybe it's not Santa doing it, but maybe Santa's own magic is coming from some other source.

Cristina: Yes, because there's magical creatures like the elves, the elves.

Jack: The question is, are they getting their magic from Santa or is there some third party? Is everything in the North Pole getting its magic from Santa? Is he overpowered to that degree? The elves are getting it from him.

Cristina: Frosty's getting it because there's elves outside of the North Pole. Don't they have magic.

Jack: They're still connected to him somehow.

Cristina: He leads the elves also.

Jack: Is he link? It's like a human who got lost with the elves and then became the boss.

Cristina: Yeah. No. I don't know. No way.

Jack: Because he's not human himself. He can't be.

Cristina: But he is.

Jack: But he has crazy powers.

Cristina: He got that from something.

Jack: He got that from something. Oh s***. He got that from something.

Jack: Santa was just a guy. That was the point.

Cristina: Yeah. You know, the church was giving their saints powers.

Jack: Fascinating.

Cristina: Where did they get it from? They were getting it from Jesus.

Jack: Where did they get it from?

Cristina: Because he opened all those portals to the other side.

Jack: Is that how that went?

Cristina: I think so. I don't remember. Is that how that went? I feel like Jesus made a bunch of portals to. What's the other place called?

Jack: What other place? H***.

Cristina: Upside down. I don't know. The second world.

Jack: Oh, the shadow.

Cristina: The shadow realm.

Jack: Oh crap. That is what happened, right? The sacrifice of Jesus.

Cristina: No, Jesus was making actual portals.

Jack: Why? Because Jesus was the fake. No. Okay, let's review the story.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Somehow an evil deity of some sort showed up from the shadow realm, used fear to manifest. Yeah, that's what kept it round. Eventually the good one came a diff. Or a different one.

Cristina: Different.

Jack: Came and somehow disposed of that problem through X way and took their place. Thus the change of Old Testament. New Testament. Right.

Cristina: I think the other one's still around though.

Jack: They're both still around. Okay, but like when prisoner isolated somewhere. I believe now Jesus was the shadow one, right? I don't remember.

Cristina: I don't remember. But I'm pretty sure the other one's still around because I'm pretty sure Adam and Eve is in Atlantic.

Jack: Yes, that's right.

Cristina: And they're trapped, but in a protected dome. So that that other. The evil dark entity thing doesn't get them interesting.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. This checks out.

Cristina: This checks out.

Jack: It sounds about right so far. So the argument is then that somehow Jesus blood because Jesus was going around opening portals. So then that's the point, right? There was a guy who went around spreading the word.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then that gave people the knowledge and then get into fear and created thing and to come through.

Cristina: Because they were using the portals to set monsters into the world from that so that they can kill the monsters with the Holy Spirit or whatever. But that also helped create fear, which they need because power.

Jack: Yes, yes, you're totally right. The church was doing this.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So in the church. No, because it couldn't be adrenochrome. Right. Then we know that has to be. No, it can't be. It can't be. And I can tell you why it can't be adrenochrome. It's because he doesn't need more of it. He doesn't need Santa Claus. He doesn't need more adrenochrome. All he needs is the fear. And he's over freaking powered. Something they taught him or something they gave him or something. Made it so that he would go from being a man, being a God.

Cristina: The church?

Jack: Yeah, the church had to give St Nicholas something that then made him so overpowered. Unless St Nicholas and Santa Claus aren't the same guy, and then we still dealing with some other s***.

Cristina: I. So is this some random guy pretending to be St. Nick?

Jack: No, St. Nick is one guy and Santa Claus is another.

Cristina: Okay, so Santa Claus. We're just saying that they're the same people.

Jack: We could be. Maybe they are the same person, but they could be not. They could be different people.

Jack: They're probably the same person. I'm just throwing theories out there.

Cristina: Yeah, but where would he get his power? Whether he's the same or not the same? What is the power thing happening? Does that mean he could just be a creature from the other side?

Jack: If he isn't St Nicholas, then yes.

Cristina: How does that make sense?

Jack: Creatures from the other side, you can use fear to manifest.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He could be something like that. Yeah, that makes sense. That checks out.

Cristina: He looks human. Maybe. Then again, no one's seen him. Really. It could be just a creature. It could be a creature, but transform into this man that we see, because that's what they like to do.

Jack: Oh, shapeshift. Well, we know he can shapeshift already.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah, like that's already a fact. He uses that just to get through your chimney.

Cristina: He could come from the other side. Okay, but then what about the magic? Where's all that magic coming from? Does it come from him?

Jack: Well, yeah, that's the problem. If he's from the other side, then he's messing with things that already have magic.

Cristina: I already have magic.

Jack: Yeah. Like fairies and s***.

Cristina: Yeah. And he can communicate with snow, though. That's important.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Where does Frosty come from? He's a snow thing.

Jack: Well, everybody can communicate with Frosty.

Cristina: Yeah, he didn't make him that thing.

Jack: Well, we don't know if he can. If he made him. We don't know if Santa Claus made Frosty. We just know that Frosty can talk to anybody because he just speaks normal Language?

Cristina: Mm. Yes.

Jack: Yeah. So it's he made sentience. No. If he made him, I don't know. But then the question is, is the North Pole something that radiates some certain magic? So everything up there has these abilities and random crap. Not knowing how to use it results in things like Frosty being able to talk and walk and move around.

Cristina: I don't know. There's probably as much weird stuff there as there is everywhere else. It's just. It seems like there's more there because there's not a lot of people there.

Jack: Interesting. Well, then. Okay. So your argument is that there's a radius everywhere.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Of magic.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that a bunch of crazy s*** happens in there, but over there, they're all within the same radius where the magic happens. So it happens to all of them, all time. And in other places there's just people kind of. Maybe one lives on the edge. Maybe nobody lives in it.

Cristina: Yeah, there's things everywhere. Vampire like things, all these different creatures. Werewolves, whatever. Yeah, everywhere. Japan's full of monsters. Ireland's full of monsters.

Jack: Ireland is full of monsters for sure.

Cristina: Exactly. So, yeah, North Polar doesn't have more than anywhere else.

Jack: But your argument would be that the North Pole has monsters and that that's the same thing happening everywhere else in the world. But that would just mean that there is. That they're by magic and not adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes, because, like, it couldn't be adrenochrome because there's nothing up there, up where in North Pole to be getting adrenochrome. Like, if they were getting adrenochrome, where would they be getting it from?

Jack: Well, they're not getting adrenochrome. They're getting fear. Yeah, which is why what they gave St. Nicholas, if that is St. Nicholas.

Cristina: He'S the only one getting fear. Like, what are the elves getting? What are the magic snowman and any other magical creature?

Jack: Well, Santa Claus isn't just getting feared. The fear allows him to have all these abilities.

Cristina: Well, that's all him, though. What about all these other. Unless you're saying they're all coming from him.

Jack: Well, it could be. That's my theory. That if he's getting the power, he's sharing the power.

Cristina: Can they share the power that way? It doesn't feel like they can. Like, it always feels like these things just only an individual thing has the powers and just hoards the power until they go crazy.

Jack: Well, no, maybe it's beneficial. Maybe. You got to think about it. What if he's Granting them immortality in exchange for. You guys gotta be able to make certain things and do things quickly and whatever. Immortality is the guarantee here. You'll never age. You'll be immortal forever. All of you will leave forever. I will allow you to do that. But I need the power to do that.

Cristina: But if they're elves, they should already have that power.

Jack: Immortality.

Cristina: Yeah. I feel like all elves have that power.

Jack: No, they can age very far. Oh, they will die.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Regardless. Regardless. The point is that we can freeze Jesus.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then Santa Claus will go fetch Jesus.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or not freeze him, but cryostasis him.

Cristina: Yes. And then Santa Claus is gonna go back in time to get him.

Jack: No, he's not gonna go back in time. We went back in time and put him in cryostasis, and then time passed with him in cryostasis, and now it's the present, and Santa Claus is gonna go get him and bring him back.

Cristina: Okay. Okay. Because we hid him somewhere where he was at. Because we're not gonna travel with his body to where we're at.

Jack: Yeah. Because the point is to get Santa Claus.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. And then what?

Jack: I don't know. We'll have Santa Claus or we can talk to him. Isn't the goal to get him the. To see one where he gets his power? Like, holy s***. Holy, bro.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What?

Cristina: Also Just learn about everything that's going on in the North Pole. All these questions that we have. Yes, but.

Jack: And get. Maybe. Maybe he's strong enough. Maybe strong enough? He's omniscient. What?

Cristina: Strong enough for what?

Jack: To fight whatever crap the Cat people are on.

Cristina: Okay. But anyway. But what about Jesus?

Jack: What about Jesus?

Cristina: What are we doing with him? With the cryostasis? Okay. Keeps him alive. And then. Well.

Jack: Well, then we will retrieve him from the other side.

Cristina: How?

Jack: Well, there is a. I don't. I don't know the details myself, but there's a place. Cryonics Institute. It's people who freeze people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And they're gonna give us this technology.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And do it from there. They have a website. We could just go online.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And get to the Cryonics Institute website. And on the Cryonics Institute website, they will allow us to subscribe to get frozen. But they got services.

Cristina: No way.

Jack: They got services for days. But they have a. We gotta go from the beginning. We're gonna break this down and break this down.

Cristina: Services, like, different services, like. It's not just freeze and then unfreeze. That's not it. Yes.

Jack: So there's a whole. Whole list of Things. But, but let's go through this real quick. Is the Cryonics Institute and they have cryonics emergencies. If you have cryonics emergencies, like you're.

Cristina: About to die, you're having a heart attack. I don't understand. There's not.

Jack: My grandma just died. Freeze her, please, so we can undo the death.

Cristina: But she's dead.

Jack: I don't know how it works. You're asking too many questions. But for a cryonics emergency, you can call if anybody. If anybody has a cryonics emergency list need to do this. The number is 1-586-791-5961. If you want to be frozen, cryonics is who you got to get in contact with. Now, their tagline, a second chance at life.

Cristina: If you're about to die, it doesn't make sense.

Jack: If you're like life extension with reach most affordable cryonic suspensions, okay, that suggests that there's alternate options.

Cristina: Affordable, like there's more expensive options.

Jack: World's largest provider of whole body cryonics. CI class performed more than no way to go.

Cristina: So are we gonna check out the emergencies?

Jack: No, we're not gonna check out the emergencies. You're gonna look at through some of these services and look at some of these descriptions.

Cristina: All right?

Jack: Life is priceless.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Imagine a world free of disease, death and aging. At the Cryonics Institute, we believe that day. That day is coming. And cryonics is presently our best chance of getting there.

Cristina: Okay, so they don't just want to wake up at any time.

Jack: No, they have.

Cristina: They're waiting for the moment where we're. We didn't. We don't wake up. We solved everything.

Jack: Yes. We stopped dying.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. They think that's gonna be a moment.

Jack: The hope is the rapture happens and then the seven years of like, peace and then some years of h***, and then people disappear and then Earth is inherited by Jesus or some s*** like that. I think they're waiting for the paradise part of that narrative so they could just. Oh, oh, now it's the time that doesn't make sense.

Cristina: But okay.

Jack: Cause science, like our mission is to extend human lifespan by preserving the body using existing cryogenic technologies with the goal of revival by future science. But will it work? But will it work?

Cristina: No.

Jack: Research makes a powerful case for cryonics.

Cristina: The crazy thing is though, like, if there is a moment when we do reach all that stuff that they're hoping for, they won't be able to afford it because that's still going to come With a price. What?

Jack: Getting woken up?

Cristina: No, getting the. The medicine that's going to keep you alive after you've been woken up. The medicine that's going to keep all the diseases away from you, all that crap. Well, there wouldn't be because you don't have insurance. There's no way. They would have to give you something so that you wouldn't get diseases. There's nothing.

Jack: Listen to me. Listen to me. Listen to me. I believe part of the thing is we would have solved everything. To the point that selling it would make no sense. It's too solvable.

Cristina: So solvable.

Jack: It's basic.

Cristina: Why like the flu, it just gets bigger and dangerouser and everything. Like you gotta always have something new to fight it because it's gonna get worse. Like there's no way to truly solve it. You just push it back. So wouldn't it be the same with everything else? You're just gonna push whatever back?

Jack: Well, we don't know if we can actually solve the problem. We're assuming our science is currently primitive and that in the future figure all that out. We'll figure all that out with enough time. Everything has a solution with enough time.

Cristina: Yes. I guess if you think time, if it's infinite.

Jack: It doesn't have to be infinite. It doesn't have to be infinite. Less than a thousand years, you've solved every medical problem ever. Science using technology. Technology has only existed for about a hundred years. Give it a thousand. Where do we land?

Cristina: I guess the only real way to solve all these problems is to become robots though.

Jack: No, we will definitely get far enough in science that we can handle it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: For sure. That is just a fact of time. So long as a meteor doesn't destroy us.

Cristina: Oh crap. Do you see that last one?

Jack: Doesn't matter. Listen. Human cryopreservation.

Cristina: I get that one.

Jack: That's the basic one, right? So cryopreservation is an ambulance to the future. Keeping patients in a state of stasis with the hopes future technology will be able to revive them. Only CI members with funded contracts in place can be preserved. Okay, the next one is standby tools and training. And standby is the process. A process performed immediately following a person's legal death. CI provides instructions and emergency notification tools for members and non member cryo. Cryo what? Cryonicists alike. Member and non member cryonicists. Like cryonicist. A person who cryonatizes people.

Cristina: But wait, so like teaching people how to. We're not a member. We can still figure out how to do this?

Jack: Well, if you're gonna be in cryostasis, you'll be taught how to do cryostasis.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Or maybe. I don't know, I don't get it. Next is professional standby options. CI has arrangements with Suspended Animation Inc. To provide standby services at special rates for our members. These services are provided independent of CI.

Cristina: This sounds so expensive.

Jack: Could be ridiculous. Expensive. DNA and tissue preservation. CI will store tissues and DNA samples for members. We provide a special kit to collect samples and store and collect samples indefinitely at industry standard liquid nitrogen temperatures. This is a one time fee.

Cristina: And how does that help at all?

Jack: If you wanted your genetics to be preserved, to maybe be cloned or be regenerated in the future.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Like your first plan didn't work out. You got this backup plan.

Jack: Yeah, I suppose. And then the one you're very excited for. Pet cryopreservation. Over 170 people have chosen to cryopreserve their beloved pets with CI cryopreservation of dogs, cats and other small to medium sized animals gives your pet a second chance at life.

Cristina: Monsters. What? Why?

Jack: Why? Well, the good thing is that you will be able to live forever if this doesn't go horribly wr.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And it's probably gonna go horribly wrong because why wouldn't it?

Cristina: Probably. But why would your animal care. Why would they want to.

Jack: Who said your animal gives a. People will keep family members at the brink of death forever if it means they get to still have that family member alive.

Cristina: Depressing. That's so sad.

Jack: Reality. But they also have this little nifty video here. Gonna see if. Okay, okay. We just saw the video, first of all.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: $28,000.

Cristina: That's not bad.

Jack: It's not bad. It's not bad. If you wanted to be frozen, you could, like they said, afford this off of your life insurance.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now, the fact that they had to support their claim with so much evidence is the like, the fact that it's not just like, oh, yeah, clearly this will work.

Cristina: Except we don't know if it's gonna, because currently it can't work. Like, yes, they can freeze you, but there's no unfreezing.

Jack: Yes, as of now. But also you're gonna die anyways.

Cristina: You're gonna die anyway.

Jack: And if you're about to die, freeze yourself.

Cristina: But the science that backs it up. That was not science backing it up. Those articles are not scientists specifically writing about the company.

Jack: Yeah, those peer reviewed, probably. About cryogenics.

Cristina: Yes, but not about this specific company.

Jack: Oh, no, I was Writing about the company.

Cristina: Yeah, but they made it sound like these scientists are backing us up. They're writing about us like. No, no, they're not.

Jack: No, you made it sound like that. They're back in cryonics.

Cristina: Isn't that what they're called? Cryonics. That's the company's name, but it's also.

Jack: The name of the process.

Cristina: Crap. That's very. Come on. Come on. That's not right. That's not right at all.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Cryonics is what you're using.

Cristina: Yes, but then you're calling yourself that, and then you're saying scientists are backing us up, but it's not really.

Jack: They didn't say us. They said they're backing Cryonics.

Cristina: But that's their name.

Jack: Yeah, but it's also the name of the process. And those scientists are definitely writing about the process.

Cristina: Yes. It's still not right. I don't know. It's not right.

Jack: It's misleading.

Cristina: It's very misleading to you. What? I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's pretty crazy. But it is possible we could just take one of these courses, the one that's a class, and be taught.

Cristina: That's so crazy, because you don't have to even be a member to take a course to learn how to do it.

Jack: No, you don't have to want to be a frozen. In order to go around freezing random, unsuspecting victims.

Cristina: I guess. I guess that'll help us.

Jack: Yeah. So we're gonna go learn how to do it. Pretty simple. Then we're gonna use our time machine, go back in time, find Jesus and do it to him.

Cristina: Yes, but is watching that video free, or do you also have to pay for that? Because they said members and non members, so that makes it sound like it's free.

Jack: But no, I'm sure you have to pay for the video. Like, members get the video for free. Non members have to buy the video.

Cristina: Oh, so crazy.

Jack: Order to start capturing.

Cristina: They also have, like, a donation button. Like what?

Jack: Everybody needs a donation button.

Cristina: Everything is so expensive. Who has time to donate as well?

Jack: That's already rich people.

Cristina: I guess. Like, I guess if you're doing that, you're not gonna need the money that you have anyway, so why not just give the rest away?

Jack: Yeah. Like, it's already. You've chosen to do something that's essentially a waste of everybody's time. Now the question is, what if works? If it works, we're not responsible for killing Jesus.

Cristina: No, because we didn't. But we have to take him to a time where this works. There's still time travel involved. And we can't take our ship to. I mean, our time machine to take him to the future.

Jack: No, we're not going to take him at all. Jesus is going to wake up in the future from us, but we're gonna get the ice cube from Santa. Simple. We're gonna learn how to create cryostasis chambers. We're gonna go back in time with our time machine to where Jesus was captured. Jesus. Right after he's crucified, but not died yet. We're gonna sneak him, we're gonna put him in a cryostasis chamber, and then we're gonna come back to the present. Then we're gonna get Santa Claus to bring him to you, to your Christmas.

Cristina: Tree, because we need him in the future.

Jack: No, listen to me, okay? In the middle of the night and Santa Claus and bring. We're gonna capture Santa and now we have Jesus.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: We can get Jesus in the present. Then we're going to use our time machine in the present to take Jesus into the future where the technology to undo the cryostasis exists.

Cristina: How, if we can't take him in the machine in the first place, can.

Jack: Take him in the machine. We're just not going to.

Cristina: Just for Santa.

Jack: Just to get Santa. Who's the point?

Cristina: Okay, but then the second time, we're just gonna take him to the future. Okay?

Jack: Yes. So that we can unfreeze him.

Cristina: But don't we need the money to unfreeze him? Because these people are paying for the service.

Jack: I mean, it's gonna be in the future where it's free.

Cristina: Where it's free.

Jack: So it's gonna be easy. It's so easy. Everybody has a defrost in their house.

Cristina: Okay. Why would everyone need one?

Jack: People are being found frozen all the time.

Cristina: Okay. They're just everywhere.

Jack: Yeah, chances are.

Cristina: Okay. This is a great idea.

Jack: Yes. That is the goal at the moment.

Cristina: It makes sense.

Jack: Yeah, it does.

Cristina: But, like, do they have plans? I want to see if they have, like, different plans. Like family plans.

Jack: Oh, no. We have to get different prices from them. They don't put the prices explicitly other than the collective 28,000. You have to have conversations with.

Cristina: Wow, that's lame.

Jack: Perhaps we can call them and find out the prices.

Cristina: Nah, you could do that.

Jack: Have whole conversations with them.

Cristina: Nah.

Jack: The point is that we can take Jesus to the future. We can have the future people who have the technology. Un. Cryostasis. Jesus Christ. Assuming, though. Well, they have we just go far into the future enough for that problem to be solved?

Cristina: Yeah. How far do we go?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Is this gonna be like the time machine?

Jack: I guess we just have to keep jumping and hope for the best, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You have to keep jumping forward and hope this time we land where we're going because we can't jump too forward. Who's gonna even understand us?

Cristina: Yeah, eventually we'll end up in the past somehow. I don't know.

Jack: I mean, I guess. Well, not really. The idea would be society collapses in such a way. I mean, I guess it would be exactly the time machine. We're gonna circle back around to the beginning of a different civilization. In that movie, they just happen to all look human still, or to some degree humanoid. Yeah, but like, really, really, we're not gonna look that way. This can change. We're gonna be some other s*** if enough million years go by.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You know, this is how it goes.

Cristina: It's gonna be human dolphins, but can you imagine?

Jack: But in the future, we just have to make it to where they have the ability to solve the problem. And the first again, they. It has to be free. We have to go so far into the future that now it's free. Because you have to be able to get this procedure done without them, like.

Cristina: Ridiculous amount of bill or whatever.

Jack: Well, no, if you get to live, who gives a s***? Just ignore the bills. But they just simply won't do it if there's no way for you to pay. You have to make it far enough that that's not a concern. They have.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So one, we at least have to go that far into the future.

Cristina: We also need. We also need them to have figured out, like, how to solve every problem.

Jack: Like answer or whatever disease you have. At least whoever you are who's frozen or in cryostasis, wherever you are, your specific problem needs to have been solved at the same time that money has been dealt with and that they actually have the technology too. So the two sciences that need to have happened is whatever your problem is needs to have been solved and they need to figure out how to undo cryostasis. And economically, they need to have figured out how to just erase money from existence.

Cristina: Yes, very important.

Jack: Those three things solved will allow. That's the time period whenever those three things simultaneously exist.

Cristina: That's so far in the future. Yeah, so far.

Jack: Well, we don't know. Maybe it could just happen all tomorrow.

Cristina: They solved it by all becoming robots.

Jack: That's totally a possibility.

Cristina: It's the only way you can't get cancer if you're a machine.

Jack: But maybe we just figure out biology. We definitely are messing around with gene altering technology that might just kill us. Man. That one, that's gonna create super cancer. Second, that's also gonna create zombies. Third, that's gonna create literal monsters that are gonna start to plague earth.

Cristina: We already have the zombies.

Jack: We have the zombies.

Cristina: Yeah. That's why we were hiding in a. Oh, no, wait. We weren't hiding because of the zombies. We just had zombies on our island.

Jack: Yes. Unrelated to when you're hiding, think about what's happening here. Here. We essentially gave a bunch of people adrenochrome and then took it away from them.

Cristina: Is that how we made this? All right.

Jack: That's the only way we could have made those.

Cristina: I don't luckily remember how we made it.

Jack: I'm pretty sure it was the p. No. Crap. I think it was us. I think it was us by that point.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Me and our versions of us. I think those are the ones who did that.

Cristina: Those. Wait, you're saying us?

Jack: Yes, I think it was us. Us who were.

Cristina: Not another version.

Jack: Not a version of us. I think it was us. Us who were on that. So we're capable of astounding cruelty as well.

Cristina: Mm. Well, we didn't make it.

Jack: We. We bought that island or some s***, right?

Cristina: I don't remember.

Jack: No, we bought Dana White.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: A fight island or whatever.

Cristina: I just don't remember where the zombies came from. I just know that people can risk their lives and if they turn into zombies, we got more zombies, so it's fine.

Jack: But if they attraction.

Cristina: If I don't remember.

Jack: No, they don't.

Cristina: Where did the zombies come from? Did we just have one original zombie? Like, I don't.

Jack: Or maybe there was. Maybe there were people already working on zombies and we just confiscated their zombies because that's wrong.

Cristina: Anyways, that could be.

Jack: And we just. They're already there.

Cristina: Yeah. And then we got people to come to the island for the attraction of.

Jack: Zombies, which made zombies.

Cristina: Which made more zombies. But that was fine because it's already attraction.

Jack: And they fill out the contracts to go there anyways.

Cristina: Yes. That's part of being allowed to see the zombies is if you get bitten.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: You're stuck here.

Jack: Go to zombie island and if you get bitten, you're screwed.

Cristina: Yeah. So it works out.

Jack: True business, Woodman. There's a city and there's a game. You get a billion dollars. Right. Survivor. Last person surviving. $1 billion. Hunger Game esque thing. Except the city is closed off and it has zombies.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's it. There's a bunch of zombies and a hundred people are like, okay, we're gonna go into the city. Thousand people, whatever.

Cristina: More. Only one person can survive.

Jack: There's three. There's 3 million people in the city. Maybe not. Maybe there's like, you gotta survive there for 10 years.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But in that 10 year period, you know, all the supplies you'll ever need are in there. And will regularly go back in and hide stuff. So you can just keep navigating and finding crap. But you can't leave. You gotta survive there 10 years. Exaggerated. You can survive there five years and you will get $1 billion, every single one of you who survives.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But you're fighting for the same resources.

Cristina: Because I feel like you'd want to work together if, you know, like a, we can all win this money if we survive. But then again, the whole resource thing is a huge problem.

Jack: Oh, I got you. I got you. I got you. Problem solved. Problem solved. Problem solved. $6 billion divided by however many of you survive.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, once you get closer to the end and there's less resources, there's more reason to kill the people you're with. If you're with someone.

Jack: Yes. As you're getting closer to the end, the longer you. But he also. It makes sense to get a posse of people together so you can acquire as much crap as possible. Then not need to, but then you still know. What if there's a counter? That's all you really need to know. There's a bunch of zombies and there's a counter somewhere above the city or just on every screen.

Cristina: Everywhere.

Jack: You're always walking around and you always know how many people are left, but.

Cristina: Also how much time is left.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Because it's. How many years? 10 years? 5 years? Yes. That's. When it comes to resources. I don't know. It's gonna be fighting.

Jack: Yeah. You're not gonna know. You're gonna get desperate at random moments. I think no time is better. I think just knowing how many people there are and not knowing how much time there is.

Cristina: Okay. Then you won't. You'll have less fighting.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. Because I feel if there is. If you do put a timer.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And you use this timer to know what day you're at. As you get closer, you get more relaxed.

Cristina: I feel like you get more riskier too.

Jack: No, because you're gonna make it.

Cristina: Yeah. But, like, you're less worried about the People around you or the zombies around you. Because, like, oh, I'm gonna be home soon.

Jack: Yeah, everybody becomes a danger because you don't want to share. Yeah, everybody becomes more dangerous with every passing day. So as every day passes, you just get a little farther from people.

Cristina: Yeah, I probably would hide the whole time. I don't know.

Jack: You gotta last five years.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: How you gonna get resources if you're always hiding?

Cristina: If you're hiding somewhere that has a.

Jack: Lot of resources, you gotta get there first. How you gonna get there alone?

Cristina: I don't know. That's true. I don't know. That's sucky.

Jack: Gonna eventually have to rely on people.

Cristina: Yes, whatever. We should do this, though. We got the zombies, we got the island.

Jack: Well, we have to buy a city, close off a city.

Cristina: Why can't we just build a city on the island?

Jack: We could build a city on the island. We got a bunch of lizard people.

Cristina: Exactly. But what about Jesus?

Jack: We're gonna have him unfrozen, and then if he is in fact Jesus, we have solved a lot of problems. We got some overpowered being.

Cristina: Mm. So we should forget about saving the world and move on to this Zombie island movie show?

Jack: Well, no. What movie or show? Why would it become a movie or show?

Cristina: Become a show? Like, we can pay people to watch this.

Jack: Fair enough. This would be quite good entertainment. Yeah, but I suppose the point of this is Santa Claus, right? Yeah, because we want to get Santa Claus and we want to find out if Santa Claus is how. Like one. Truly. How overpowered are you two? Is that overpowered enough to help us stop whatever problem we have with the cam people? Because that's a problem.

Cristina: Yes. Or should we forget about that and go on to this Zombie island show?

Jack: You want to forget about Santa Claus and do this Zombie island show instead?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because it's more interesting.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Unless he's into it.

Jack: All right, fair enough. We can set this experiment in motion. Right. So we're gonna build a city on Zombie Island.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then we're going to keep track of what's happening on the island every week and report back with everybody. Maybe at the beginning of the episode, maybe at the end of the episode.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And we just let them know what's happening with the people on Zombie island that have volunteered to get paid. $6 billion divided amongst the however many people.

Cristina: And yes, maybe with that prophet, we don't have to wait to go to a future where we can't. We could afford unfreezing Jesus or whatever. Like, maybe we could afford the research.

Jack: Yeah, Just fund the research so we can unfreeze them ourselves.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Figuring out if we also have really good scientists. We do, but like, the fact that we would need to go forward in time despite the fact that we exist tells us that's a problem. It's just something about science right now that's making this impossible.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. So we do have to go to the future.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: No matter what.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: All right, let's do that. Let's save Jesus.

Jack: Save Jesus Christ for.

Cristina: I don't know how he's gonna help us again.

Jack: He's not helping us.

Cristina: He's not.

Jack: Santa Claus is helping us.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. For Santa. Jesus. For Santa.

Jack: Jesus is getting. I mean, Santa Claus is getting Jesus. Yeah, we're just getting Jesus.

Cristina: Using Jesus to get to Santa.

Jack: Yeah. And then we're gonna use Santa to solve all our problems.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. And we'll also be able to fit. Not just solve all our problems, but also understand what the h*** he is, where his powers come from, if he's in fact St. Nick or some other thing. And like where the. Did he give the abilities to everything in the North Pole or is there some anomaly happening? Is there thin places or magic bubbles or something going.

Cristina: Yes, probably. I bet that's what's happening.

Jack: Which one?

Cristina: It's just a weird place with weird things happening.

Jack: It could be. I mean, elves that can like generate random crap. A man in red with seemingly all knowledge. Again, how exaggerated is it to know everything? Everything all the time?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And you don't need to know. Ah, so exaggerated. You just know everything all the time. As long as you can remember everything, you know everything that's ever happened since you've had this ability. So you also know the past as far as you've had this ability. And you know the present that you can see at all times simultaneously.

Cristina: Almost like knowing everything.

Jack: It's almost like knowing everything. It's pretty, pretty exaggerated.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If you can see somebody's thoughts as well, you know the moment they know that they're gonna do something. Nobody could ever hit you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Somebody's about to shoot. You also know where to dodge. You're impossible to touch.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You know everything everybody's gonna do the moment they know they're gonna do it.

Cristina: He's got some superpowers. Yeah.

Jack: That's so exaggerated. Jehovah doesn't have this. Jehovah couldn't touch that with a ten foot pole. Some dude ate an apple behind his back and he was like, what? Why'd you do it? Like Whoa, dude. That happened in your own backyard. Literally.

Cristina: You gave it to them, though.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Look at this thing. It's amazing. Don't touch it, man.

Jack: There's a lot wrong with Jehovah, right? But you don't touch the tree. It's the only thing here. Do you?

Cristina: I don't know. Yes. Like, no, it was on purpose.

Jack: You can't just, like, it feels like a setup. It does feel like a setup. It's like when a cop puts a. A really nice car in a really bad neighborhood and leaves the keys inside and then just parks across the street in an unmarked vehicle and just watching. Make it obvious that the keys are in there, leave the window open like somebody had too much faith. And then you see people start walking by.

Cristina: People actually try to steal those cars.

Jack: Yo, these are setups, and they're all over the Internet. Yeah, you can watch. It's great. Oh, watching these videos, it's so beautiful. But it's that setup. It's entrapment. That's hella illegal. Oh, this is, like.

Cristina: It's not illegal for. For God, no.

Jack: Yeah, because he was. But also, that was Jehovah of dark. And also, you know, it's still not illegal, but, like, it is a setup. It feels really set up. Here's a tree. This very one right here. Just this one? Yeah. Don't do anything with this one specifically. Don't touch it. All the other. I don't care about the substance, but.

Cristina: You live right next to it. You'll see it every day for your whole entire life.

Jack: This tree. That's the center of this place, is the one tree you can't touch. No, don't worry about it. Everything else is fine. Nothing's off limits in here except this one tree. Don't you. Don't you touch this tree. I'm not gonna tell you what it does, but you don't touch it. You don't look at it. You don't so much as sn. You don't inhale air. This tree is around. Anyways, I gotta go. I'm gonna be over there with my.

Cristina: Back turned to you, even though I see and hear.

Jack: Yeah, I can see and hear everything that's happening. I'll be over there looking at that other tree. That's super insignificant, bro.

Cristina: I don't understand, like, because they understood him or they didn't understand, like, did he not explain himself of, like, what he was, man? Did they not know?

Jack: I never thought about that. That's a huge problem. That's a huge problem. They had no understanding. They had no sin.

Cristina: No understanding of anything. They had noise. Just told them, hey, don't do that.

Jack: No, look, they had no sin yet. Yeah, they had no sin yet. They hadn't sinned. So they're pure. They're as pure as God literally intended them to be before the interference of Lucifer, they were as pure as God intended them to be. They had no ability to make malice and only had the ability to make the right choice because no sin had come into existence. So why did they disobey what they didn't know, though?

Cristina: He didn't tell them anything. He didn't tell them what he was. Don't.

Jack: No, no, no, listen. He said don't eat the fruit.

Cristina: That's all they knew?

Jack: Yes. Why did they have the ability to eat the fruit if they wouldn't have disobeyed? They already knew. He explained he was God. And for whatever reason, you just listened to me and they're like, okay.

Cristina: But they still disobeyed.

Jack: But they still disobeyed. Meaning God's most perfect creation in its most perfect state was flawed.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, I guess because it didn't take much, he could not. It wasn't even peer pressure or anything. It was like, hey, go, go eat that.

Jack: Okay. The answer to the question is he can't make the rock.

Cristina: Can't make the rock.

Jack: Can God make a rock big enough he himself couldn't push? Well, he couldn't make the rock to begin with, and even if he could, he couldn't have the strength to push it. But no, he can't make the rock. And if somebody else made it, he couldn't push it because he's not all powerful. That's what happened. He couldn't make perfection. Jehovah within the Bible itself in its first important moment other than the actual creation. But it's for. God's first react. Interaction was with the creating of an already flawed being. Actually, the same argument stands.

Cristina: Yeah, that they were flawed and he had that apple thing piece. He knew he needed them to feel like, oh, they are the reasons they're flawed.

Jack: Well. Well, no, because there's also the. The one before that. Because God also made Lucifer.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Lucifer was flawed?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: God's never made something perfect. No, the lie is that he tells you it's perfect, but it always goes wrong. Entropy affects everything that God touches. It's all just 3D s***. It's. God is constrained by. D***, he's probably dead, bro. God's trapped by the same laws of physics.

Cristina: Yeah, he is.

Jack: He really Is entropy still affects everything that Jehovah does. That's crazy, because Adam and Eve were not pure. Neither was Lucifer. Even if the. Even if for infinite number of years he was following orders and doing it right, eventually he wasn't. It was not perfect. It just took an infinity to happen. But it happened.

Cristina: But it happened.

Jack: But it happened. Jehovah has never created anything perfect. There's no proof of it.

Cristina: No, I guess not.

Jack: Not even within the Bible. The only argued perfection was Adam and Eve before the apple. But why don't we ever consider that the angels should have been perfect. They should have all been perfect. Except some of them just were. Just like what? Did they also not know what the h*** God was?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Why would they just be like, nah, we could take him, bro. The fact that they thought that is something crazy. If he's all powerful and you know it's. Then no way you're f****** with.

Cristina: They know him. Like they know. No, in a way we don't know.

Jack: And they're still like, no. We could probably win the war.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: D***. There's something not right there.

Cristina: Yeah, it doesn't make sense.

Jack: Interesting. Crazy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Somehow Jesus is gonna be useful if he turns out to not be a guy. If he's not a guy. Well no, he's not a guy. We know that. Crap. He's useless again. He's just. He's just a vampire. And so were the apostles. Those are just the first people he bit after he drank a bunch of blood. D*** place.

Cristina: We'll still have Santa. That's important, right?

Jack: Yeah. And there's a lot of power there. Which is another kind of God.

Cristina: Yeah, he's the real guy.

Jack: He's a real God. Yeah, he is. Jehovah's two small potatoes, bro.

Cristina: Yeah, he's.

Jack: He can't even make even Santa's freaking plan to get fears perfect. All knowing really is overpowered. Yeah, he just has some in place. That works, bro. And it just keeps working.

Cristina: Yeah, he. He won. I don't know.

Jack: Literally Jehovah couldn't figure it out. You cannot. You have to just be a demigod, bro. I mean, some random dude Saint Nick just passed you. If it's ain't there, which you're gonna find out anyways. Anyways. Anyways. Too much crap. All at the same time.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We're running out of time here. Yep. So basically the conclusion is this plan could work. The whole point of this episode was for me to tell you to explain to you that yes, your dream come true. Of having. But it won't be in a nice block. So I guess it's not your dream come true, but it's some variance of this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then we'll catch Santa because we'll just make it happen. Or at least get to interact with him. Your dream, my dream, or not even a dream. It's a wish really. But it allows us to get Santa.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We don't have to capture him. We just need to find him, which is hard to do. And we'll talk to him. And in talking, the him will find out all the secrets. And we'll also have Jesus because he'll bring them to us. Even if we'll find Jesus, which will also answer a bunch of questions.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah. The hardest part is also the most irrelevant one, which is getting Jesus out of the cryostasis in the first place, which just involves a whole bunch of traveling to the future, finding the right intersection of events.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then getting it done. And then coming back in time with Jesus out of the cryostasis. So we have potential. Just guy or potential. Some form of a deity.

Cristina: We should probably tie him up or something.

Jack: I know. Because the possibilities that he's just a bad guy are really high.

Cristina: Yeah. If he's just a vampire, it's not going to be safe.

Jack: Waking him up probably definitely a vampire.

Cristina: And like putting him to sleep. Because we gotta put him to sleep first.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That's step number one. We gotta find him alive.

Jack: Well, we. We know.

Cristina: Well, he'll be weak if we get him. At the moment he's being on the cross, he's gonna be super weak there.

Jack: This whole plan is really stupid.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because he's probably just in a hole somewhere. Because he already can't die at this moment. Because he's immortal. Because he had adrenochrome.

Cristina: Well, we're not going after that Jesus. That's in our present. We're going to get the one that's in the past that we know is weak, that we can catch.

Jack: The one now is probably weak because he was a vampire then.

Cristina: He still wouldn't he still be a vampire.

Jack: Yeah, but he was a vampire then. When he was closer to the last time he had adrenochrome than now when they threw him in a hole somewhere. And that's why we haven't heard of him.

Cristina: But he's way more vicious now. He's been in the hole this whole time.

Jack: Yeah, but way weaker.

Cristina: Craving blood.

Jack: He's a zombie.

Cristina: Yes. Zombies are not good.

Jack: He's a single zombie. We can definitely tank a single zombie.

Cristina: Okay, but then how are we gonna get Santa involved?

Jack: Well, now we just have to totally wish for him to just bring a zombie Jesus. That's actually way easier.

Cristina: Dangerous. Okay, I guess if we put zombie Jesus in our island of zombies, we.

Jack: Could have zombie Jesus in our island.

Cristina: But like, how is that gonna help be helpful if he's a zombie?

Jack: I don't know. Look, you can find more information on stuff at our socials, usconvopod, everywhere, Twitter, Instagram and. And TikTok and stuff.

Cristina: Facebook.

Jack: Facebook.

Cristina: Yes, you can remember to subscribe, rain review the show.

Jack: Send us emojis and stars.

Cristina: And stars. And the people who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth talk. Scream at them, yell at all the people, tell them. And then you're gonna be like, oh yeah, that show.

Cristina: And then lick them.

Jack: That's how it works.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal. Thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: That's society for you. That's exactly how the it works though. And nothing's gonna happen to these guys. Nothing. Me too. Movement goes. Came up. Too many liars hopped on board. Movement died the f*** down. There was a great movement there. At some point. Guys were getting outed, but some people needed f****** attention. Jumped on and dissolved it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The amount of liars overcame the amount of truth tellers to the point that the people who were lying were lying about people who already wised up to the fact that this movement was rising and saved proof. Holy f***. How long and how many of you were just bullshitting that you told people to just start recording your interactions just in case You're a sleazy weasel.

Cristina: If Kevin Spacey is alright, is he still alive?

Jack: Probably.

Cristina: I hope so. Good morning. Good morning, whoever Debate. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

July 09, 2022

Rambling 183: Imitating Humans

July 09, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

Are any of our idea original? Are humans the only creature with death rituals? How did the three kinds meetup and carpool to the Baby Jesus Cult? The duo sit back and casually discuss the current most pressing issues in the world, imitating humans with artificial intelligence and solving some paradoxes in Christianity.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Original Ideas
Addiction to Phones
Anxiety About Phone Calls
Human-like Artificial Intelligence
Animals Mourning Death
Magic Baby Worship
The Three Kings
Humans Devolve Around Celebrities
Hive Mentality

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Cristina: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

Cristina: This is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas.

Jack: And so we will do that today.

Cristina: I can't wait.

Jack: Because that's what we do.

Cristina: That's what we do. What is the baffling ideas?

Jack: Everything is the baffling idea.

Cristina: Everything.

Jack: Everything. That's how reality works. It's just a matter of finding. There was a. Who was the guy? Some dude. A smart, smarty pants man. One of the many smarty pants men of time.

Cristina: Is he a Dr. Smarty Pants?

Jack: Yeah, he was. He was probably a Dr. Smarty Pants. It's usually a Dr. Smarty Pants, right?

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: Dr. Smartypants. And he said that if you believe, you understand it, you don't know anything. If. No, if you believe it makes sense. There you go. If you believe it makes sense, you don't know anything, or you don't know it well enough or something along those lines, like, the more you know it, the more irrational it should feel.

Cristina: Okay, that sounds familiar.

Jack: Yeah. And that general logic kind of applies.

Cristina: To life or to the show.

Jack: Yeah. To ideas in general. Everything should baffle you. You should dig so deep into basically anything that you're like, what the f***?

Cristina: How did we get here?

Jack: How did we get here?

Cristina: Yeah, that.

Jack: That's all. The ideas are baffling.

Cristina: It is. Really is.

Jack: Yeah. Isn't that weird that playing the game in which you just ask why a million times to whatever somebody says eventually always leads to a very confusing, like, I don't really know. Like if you follow any thoughts make.

Cristina: Sense that they wouldn't know because a lot of ideas just come from other people. Yeah, it's all hand me down ideas.

Jack: Yeah, almost. We're all just made up of hand me down ideas.

Cristina: Yes, all of it. I don't know. Does anyone have an original idea?

Jack: I don't. I mean, every idea you come up with was made by your brain, but your brain follows patterns and it usually leans into the safest. Right out. And it usually uses collected information. So anything you know, it will apply and then it'll use that to create the shortcut. And the shortcut is usually an idea somebody else had because they initially had the shortcut that your brain is going to be like, yes, that looks like it'll work.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So it's your idea, but it's not Your idea simultaneously.

Cristina: What's the point? I don't understand. I mean, I guess it doesn't hurt, does it? Like, if you lie to your child that there's a Santa Claus, what's that for? What's the benefit? What's the loss? Is it more bad or is it more a good thing because your child is happy? Like, does it matter?

Jack: I don't know. I don't. I don't know. I don't know. And then in that. In the scenario, in that very scenario, that's like a weird one, right? Because you're ruining these people, presumably.

Cristina: Are you?

Jack: I don't know. That's basically just aiming towards them because we need to follow somebody, right? And be like, okay, your parents lied to you. I gotta study you for the rest of your life and see how this affects you as a person. Unless I can predict how you're gonna be in the future accurately. I have a future prediction machine, or I guess a type, the quantum computer.

Cristina: But what if it, like, doesn't affect them at all? Maybe they have happier lives than the person who wasn' lied to and was like, there's no Santa Claus, you get no gifts.

Jack: Then parents who don't lie to their kids about Santa Claus should be punished.

Cristina: What?

Jack: No, from that point forward, because you can prove that the other way is better.

Cristina: Oh, if you can prove it, I guess. But what if it's both equal? Then, I don't know. Then, like, how do you decide?

Jack: No, then you don't do anything. It doesn't matter in either direction at that point, you know? But it is something that creates weird habits, you know?

Cristina: How so?

Jack: Because now your kid thinks it's okay to lie to their kid about Santa.

Cristina: Claus, but it doesn't hurt or anything.

Jack: But it's like, you mean. I guess you made lying okay.

Cristina: It's a tradition, so it's okay.

Jack: The tradition of lying?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Man, that's weird. Humans are odd. Yes, but I mean, I guess everything, that everything works that way, right? Right now we have this problem with the. Everybody's addicted to their phones, but everybody's scared of phone calls. Somehow, simultaneously, right? These two issues coexist. We're addicted to the phone, but not for its original function. So there was this guy. It was this guy who, you know, he was missing. He was lost and was missing.

Cristina: Why are you laughing?

Jack: But this guy couldn't get in contact with the. With the. The rescuers who had his number and were calling because he was ignoring unknown calls on his phone.

Cristina: Stop lying.

Jack: So he was basically he was lost. He was lost and scared and kept getting strange calls on his phone. He's like, what's happening?

Cristina: He was.

Jack: Little did he know the strange calls was the search party.

Cristina: Weren't people that he knew calling him, though, too. Like, hey, where are you?

Jack: I don't know how that didn't happen.

Cristina: No one was texting him. He wasn't calling anyone. It was just random calls and he was lost.

Jack: That's weird, right?

Cristina: Yes, that's so weird. He was lost.

Jack: He was lost. Yes.

Cristina: And also, he had his phone and he was just ignoring it.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: He couldn't use his gps. Was something happening? He was hiking.

Jack: He was in the middle of nowhere. His GPS wasn't doing.

Cristina: Oh, okay. That's.

Jack: Sorry.

Cristina: They're cute.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What I don't understand. I don't know. That's so dumb. That's pretty dumb. But most of the time I think, like, when I get a call that I don't know, that says scam likely, it's like, it's gonna be a robot asking for information. And most of the time it is so. And sometimes they sound like humans. I heard one time it was a lady, and she said, I am not a robot or something, like. Or I am a human person or something while talking. I don't know. No, no, I just hung up. Like, who introduces themselves like that?

Jack: I have received those calls before.

Cristina: And you heard something like that, though?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're like, trying to confirm right off the bat I am human. And it's like, for whatever creature, this is the last thing a human would do to try to convince somebody else as a human is say, I am human.

Cristina: These robots are ridiculous. Like, she sounds almost human, but you can tell there's something. Yeah, there's something off. But she says that. I don't understand.

Jack: That's a crazy thing, right? Uncanny valley how we can get close, but it can't be perfect.

Cristina: It can't be. And it wasn't. It wasn't. There was something off about the way she was saying it, even if she didn't say that. Although that obviously, like, is a good giveaway. Oh, she's not human.

Jack: Yeah. That was, like. It was too obvious.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's not obvious, but you. You know, it's there. You see the thing? It's like seeing a painting and seeing the flaw in the painting but not knowing where the flaw is because it's in the painting hidden with the rest of the good stuff.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And you're like, something about it that's Off. But you can't tell because it's just amongst it. That's what's happening. Like, you know, like, f***. There's some robot there. It did a good job, but it can't hide that little bit of robot. I couldn't tell you where it is, but I know it's there.

Cristina: Yeah. Maybe that guy was just worried I was gonna be a robot talking about his car insurance or whatever it is they call for.

Jack: Yeah. Well, I remember this one time that there was a robot that was in. It was contacting me and it was. We were. I was having a long conversation with this robot that I think wanted to sell me something, if I'm not confused. But it was very well built.

Cristina: That was through text messaging.

Jack: Yes. It got my number. Yes. Oh, yeah. I told you about this. Right. So there was a robot and it was. It got in contact with me and it tried to have a conversation with me and it was trying to befriend me. We were talking and it was obviously a robot. But I'm like, this is quite a sophisticated robot and quite convinced it, like, I couldn't tell you where the hole is, but I can tell you it's a robot.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so I'm basically playing a game with chess with this robot that knows. I know, but it's still trying to keep up its act. It knows. There's no way. It doesn't. Because it started eventually joking and trying to confirm that it's not a robot.

Cristina: Oh, I feel like I know what you're talking about. But it was. It was trying to sell you something.

Jack: Yes. At the very end it became clear. But then I just started playing along verbally and I think I fried it or something by accident because it stopped making sense and it just disappeared entirely.

Cristina: Yeah. Because I remember. I think it was trying to get to that topic every time. But then you will lead it back to the conversation. Yes. It could have the conversation, but every time it would just try to get the conversation. Conversation to go back to the thing it was there to sell you.

Jack: Yes, yes. But I kept avoiding it. I was just dodging it. Like, I didn't even know it was trying to talk about that.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. That sounds very familiar.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: That is so weird.

Jack: Weird uncanny Valley thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What led to this? What were you talking about?

Cristina: Santa Claus.

Jack: How do we get to the robot? Oh, look, it's a phone call.

Cristina: The phone.

Jack: The phone calls. Yes. That. They're just like that. That there'. There's a lot of these, like, you're almost a person. But like, what the f***?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Eventually we're not going to be able to tell that little bit of a difference is going to be masked somehow.

Cristina: It wouldn't matter because it would still be someone trying to sell you something. And.

Jack: Yes, that's going to give it away.

Cristina: Yes. Like, it doesn't matter if you're human or robot. I'm not going to listen to you.

Jack: Because the problem is they're crazy quick with it. What you should do is build a robot that isn't going to. In the first conversation, try to sell it to me. It's going to try to. And for a long period of time.

Cristina: Yes. This robot is set to be your. To talk to you for a year without mentioning the thing.

Jack: Yes. And then be like, man, I just discovered this new awesome thing suddenly. And then you can be like, oh, yeah, I'm excited because my friend is excited. Yeah, my friend is excited. And he, you know, everything he's ever told me until this point is like, this robot just talks. Truth woke truth.

Cristina: But then what happens? Like, once this whole year of friendship happens and then the robot does sell you the thing, or you just realize, o, crap, this is fake. Is that the end?

Jack: Yeah, there's. There's two problems going on there, right? Like the. Yes. He. It's a robot that's designed to sell you something, but, like, hey, it's also your friend.

Cristina: Yeah. So does it just ghost you?

Jack: Does. Oh, because it could just ghost you.

Cristina: It could.

Jack: It's a robot.

Cristina: Accomplish its task.

Jack: Yeah, you either. Got you confirmed. I can't. I'm not gonna sell the. Buy you the thing. Or. Or what is it? I'm not gonna buy it. Or I am gonna buy it.

Cristina: Yeah. And either or it got what he wanted.

Jack: Leaving Deuces, bro, this is all I was talking to you for.

Cristina: Yeah. Is that what would happen?

Jack: So at that point, you the person on the other side. So I, you know, for a year, this is my best friend online, bro. Like, yo, you cool as h***, bro. We click, have all the same interests somehow. It's super chill. No judgment on either side. Mad awesome. Mad awesome. I'm excited to talk to this person any day.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then they try to sell me a thing one day and I'm like, I'm not that interested. They seem kind of pushy, too. What the h*** is going on, bro? You just suddenly trying to sell me some s***. And then I'm like, no, I'm not interested. It's not anything I would ever use the Key combination of words that says, well, the percentage of me making a sale here is useless. Let me dip. And then I'm just ghosted, blocked everywhere, deleted from every account.

Cristina: I feel like that's what people are on Facebook now. I get messages on Facebook from people that are supposed to be real people. And I'm sure they are real because I know them. I know them. They're human. But they sound like pyramid schemes now. They're all trying to sell me something that will make them money, but also will make me money by selling it to someone else. And it's like, no, I don't want to do this. Why are you giving me this? And then I usually tell them, like, this sounds like a scam.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like, I don't know how to politely say that to them. I know they probably see me as a friend or something. But, like, come on, come on. What are you doing?

Jack: Scammers and robots are kind of the same, right? Because the robot is a scammer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's just an accurate. I guess it's doing it. When you think about it, it's doing its job pretty accurately. Maybe better than the people doing the job. Scammers are like a dead giveaway.

Cristina: They are. It's so obvious. It's so. They're so bad at it.

Jack: Yeah. It's kind of like when you. How do I put it? There's these. When you start a conversation, right. A scammer calls, and they're immediately talking about something that you don't even have.

Cristina: That you don't even have. Like the car.

Jack: Yeah. You don't even own a car. And they're calling for your car's warranty.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Or there was an accident. Or you don't have a bank account, but some, you know, your PIN number has been stolen or compromised or something.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's like, bro, you're failing at your job because the computers, like, engage with, you know, hey, what's up? Like, oh, hey, what's up? What's going on?

Cristina: But is the text messages of person or computer.

Jack: I think in both cases, because scammers will be like, let me make a meme with some words on it and stuff that'll make an urgent message and make people act, and then they'll click the thing to solve the problem. Doesn't exist.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: While the computer is getting to, like, know the person and s***, you know?

Cristina: But, like, if you get a message, like, your bank account has been, I don't know, closed off. We gotta click this link to fix It.

Jack: Yeah. Like, no. Anytime that anything says click a link, I'm like. But yeah, it's essentially the same thing.

Cristina: Yeah. There's so much of that everywhere. It's so annoying.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Makes sense. That guy ignore those phone calls.

Jack: Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, totally. Because don't we all? Who answers your phone?

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know. Like, unless you know who is calling you, it's most likely you already know. It's of kind not gonna be a real call anyway.

Jack: Yeah. But that's us, essentially. Like, we've been trained to predict this at this point.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because it happens so consistently. You know, it's like. It is scam calls usually. Most calls you're gonna get these days are scam calls, unless you're a particular kind of person who enjoys having phone calls consistently. And so you have phone calls with everybody that you talk to. So those people are the exception to the rule. But minus those people, most people are getting scam calls more frequently than they're getting actual phone calls from people to talk to.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we just naturally were like, someone just kind of gonna stop answering my phone.

Cristina: But when you're lost in the middle of nowhere. That's so crazy. That's so crazy.

Jack: But he was probably having some sort of panic attack.

Cristina: Do you know how long he was lost?

Jack: No, I have no idea.

Cristina: It's so crazy.

Jack: People do weird things, man. We're weird and impulsive, but that doesn't. Weird and impulsive, but that doesn't make us any different because so are animals.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Animals tend to be weird and impulsive too.

Cristina: Like, cats.

Jack: I don't know if cats are impulsive. I would say, like, dogs are impulsive, mainly. I mean, if it was, like, between cats and dogs, I'm sure there's like. Like, squirrels are probably really heavily impulsive.

Cristina: I don't know. Oh, squirrels, maybe. I don't know. I feel like cats are more than dogs. I don't know.

Jack: More impulsive.

Cristina: I don't know. They're all random.

Jack: Dogs don't think things through too heavily while cats are, like, kind of watch and make a plan.

Cristina: Okay. Because, like, cats do things like. Then again, it might be on purpose. Like, when they walk right in front of you, like, it's kind of, yeah, you're gonna get tripped, but also they're gonna get hurt. Are they doing that to trip you up? Do they realize they're also gonna get hurt? Do they not care? What's wrong with these cats?

Jack: I don't know, man. That doesn't Even make sense. There are. None of it makes sense. None of it. There's about 200 condors in the world. Yeah, there's about 200 condors in the world.

Cristina: Is that a bird?

Jack: Yeah, it's a big black like, like desert bird.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I guess it doesn't necessarily have to be in the desert, but it's usually find it in the desert anyways. Big black bird. About 200 of them in the world, most of them in the US and this one time some time ago, some lady called the police and they needed to call some emergency services to go to her house because out of those 200 condors of them were hanging out on her porch. They don't understand why. It has become quite a complicated scientific mystery considering condors in general hang out alone.

Cristina: But they're all hanging out.

Jack: But they were all on her porch.

Cristina: Did they find out why?

Jack: No, it's just a weird thing that happened some. This one time.

Cristina: That is so crazy. Yeah, maybe one of them died on there and they're all just having their. Yes.

Jack: I mean that's interesting. Elephants do that.

Cristina: So it's possible.

Jack: It is possible. And birds are really intelligent. Birds have this kind of ridiculously high intellect and some of them have the capacity to mess with humans on quite a good sophisticated level. So it's possible they're having mourning sessions.

Cristina: Or maybe they're getting revenge. Maybe she killed one of them.

Jack: Oh, that'd be nuts. I mean, yeah, some birds are known to hold grudges as well. Like crows. Yeah, just hanging out, messing with the same person over and over just because. F*** you.

Cristina: Yes. I wonder if that monkey war is still going on where the monkeys are killing all the dogs and then it just spread out to other countries and.

Jack: Yeah, it's crazy.

Cristina: And the monkeys probably don't even remember why they're killing dogs. But they still kill dogs.

Jack: Yeah. Now it's just a thing. It went beyond the we're killing dogs because of this specific thing. And now it's just. Well I've since I was born, we just fight. My grand, my grandfather's grandfather knows why we fight now. We just fight because it's what we've done.

Cristina: I'm sure it didn't last that long. Like it can't be still going on. It's got to be like one month of war in the end. Like eventually they're like eh, let's move on to something else.

Jack: But nah, because they're born and taught this by their families, there's no reason it should be worked out. If they're maybe even getting food from some of these dead monkeys.

Cristina: This dead dog, you think they're eating the dogs?

Jack: Some of them probably eating the dogs. F****** monkeys.

Cristina: I don't know. I'm gonna look up this story. You gotta find out what's happening.

Jack: You know what we need to find out? We need to learn about these monkeys.

Cristina: I will eventually.

Jack: Yeah. This is weird. Just. This is how Earth, just. Great planet. Great planet. It is. It's been having a panic, bro. That's a pan. That's part of the panic attack. How weird is it that there's just an infinite war happening between dogs and monkeys?

Cristina: It's a one sided war.

Jack: I guess it is.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's just a bunch of. But that's crazy anyways.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's just a bunch of monkeys out here murdering dogs because one dog might.

Cristina: Have accidentally killed a monkey.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Or maybe purposely, who knows? But it was just one dog.

Jack: And now they're out there killing all the dogs. Yeah. How is that any different than the whole Ukraine, Russia problem?

Cristina: What?

Jack: People killing people for no reason.

Cristina: They have their reasons, I'm guessing.

Jack: Do the. I wonder if the soldiers have their reasons. If they're just following order. I mean, I guess that's the reason.

Cristina: That is the reason. Yes.

Jack: It's work, bro. It pays the bills.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What if that's crazy, dude. We go, we sign up 18 years old, fresh. Oh, yeah, I'm so fresh. Sign up.

Cristina: When you're doing it that young, you're doing it for fun.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You sign weirdo work, you sign the paperwork.

Cristina: Disturbing person.

Jack: You do the thing and you're like, oh yeah, this is culty. As we gotta follow a regimen, think a certain way, behave a certain way. It's brain. Blatant brainwashing. It's a point. The brainwashing is the point at the beginning.

Cristina: Yeah. It is cold.

Jack: Yeah. And we support each other no matter what. You're a soldier forever. This is harder than a gang, brother. Anywhere in the country you go, we know. And so we basically joined this cult.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because we need money. It's a job.

Cristina: Yes. And.

Jack: And the cult straight up says, go out there and shoot people. And we're like, well, you know, I said, I told the cult, I'll do whatever it wants me to. So I'm gonna go out there and shoot people and it's gonna give me money.

Cristina: Yeah. It's the legal way of shooting people.

Jack: It's a legal gang.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Whoa. Gangs are also cults.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We follow, we get Together because we believe in the same ideology. We do the same s***. And if you don't believe in the ideology, but you want to be here, we can beat it into you. We can do. To train you into the ideology. It's fine. You can become one of us if you're not already.

Cristina: That's a gang.

Jack: Gangs.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You become one of us, we join the game, we jump you in. We're gonna do everything. It's all the same s***. What's the difference between that and f****** military?

Cristina: Oh, crap. It's all cults.

Jack: It's all cults. Everything is a cult. Politics are cults. Everything is a cult for sure.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Even the beauty industry is a cult.

Cristina: The beauty industry.

Jack: The beauty industry is a cult, like, for sure, for sure. The way they try to market certain things. And the people who are interested in the beauty industry, you know, this is what's in fashion. Oh, I need to get what's in fashion, because that's what the beauty industry said I need to do.

Cristina: I guess there are really people who do that.

Jack: I'm assuming that's right.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I can't just be in. Stereotypes are based on something, right?

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: So it has to be to some degree, Right. We might not know them, but I'm sure that's a thing.

Cristina: That's probably a thing. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah, whatever. So it's just probably the thing. But yeah. So the beauty industry itself is weird culty thing. All versions of it, too. Because there's rich people too, right? Rich people are way culty. There's like the whole, like, social contract that they follow. We be. We also behave a certain way. You know, we. Us rich people up here, us elitists, we go to certain places. If you don't go to these places, if you're, like, hanging out with the poor people or doing this kind of thing, you know, you're not cool the way we are in our yachts and stuff. You can't be peasanting around where we're elites. And so there's definitely behaviors, right? Oh, your father launders money and that's how he's rich. Well, I can't rat. I mean, still, you can't rap people out as three rules anyways. But, you know, things like that, that happen at all times. That's a cult. They're following this sort of what? We behave different because we're special.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah. I guess that is a cult. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. It's crazy. And I guess going back to the beauty and the rich people, if you were to merge those two. There's this. You know the people who go so far into it that they alter their faces.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So it's like I need my. There's an exact way that lips should look, even if it will look weird on my body. There's an exact set of dimensions that somebody put somewhere that the perfect set of lips are.

Cristina: And everyone does it.

Jack: See? So I'm gonna get those exact lips, even if it looks weird and crazy on me.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And the eyebrows. There's an exact perfect shape. I looked it up. It's an exact number. All the women are doing it in the circle that I'm in, so I need to get it too. It can't be the only one who doesn't have the thing. But then what happens? Everybody looks exactly the same.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And behaves exactly the same. They're altering their body for this cult.

Cristina: Yes, I see that. Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: The same makeup, same hairstyle.

Jack: Yes. It's so much stranger when you do it to your animals.

Cristina: What? I understand doing it to you, but what does it even mean to do it to your animals?

Jack: So there was a beauty competition for animals? Yes. For. Specifically for camels.

Cristina: For camels. I was thinking dogs. This is weird. Okay. Camels.

Jack: Well, it's less weird if I tell you it's in Saudi Arabia.

Cristina: Okay, Right.

Jack: So it's. It's a little less weird.

Cristina: Sure.

Jack: So in Saudi Arabia, there was a competition.

Cristina: Beauty.

Jack: A beauty contest for camels. For camels. It's a normal beauty contest.

Cristina: Someone cheated with surgery.

Jack: So 40 camels were banned because they were found to have had Botox to make them look sexier for the judges of the beauty contest.

Cristina: Like in their face. Their humps. Like, where are these?

Jack: In their face? Yes.

Cristina: Oh, in their face. Okay.

Jack: Given Botox in their lips and in their cheeks to make them look younger and sexier for the vision.

Cristina: How many camels were in scalp competition that 40 of them were cheating?

Jack: I don't know. But that was it.

Cristina: 40 camels and, like, all of them were cheating? Or was it hundreds of camels?

Jack: Like, it was definitely enough that 40 were cheating.

Cristina: That's so ridiculous. That's a ridiculous story.

Jack: Most stories are ridiculous. What story isn't? What? What? Tell me a story that isn't. There you go.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: What's a non ridiculous story?

Cristina: I don't know. There's no non. Ridiculous story. I don't know. There's a magic baby that people worship. I don't know.

Jack: There's a magic baby. Oh, yeah. I guess. Yeah, I guess so. I never really thought about that. Because they did worship him as the magic baby at the beginning too. He was a magic baby who then just became some carpenter. And they're like, oh yeah, not kill him. We were wrong. Kill him.

Cristina: That's not what happened.

Jack: It's totally what happened. He was a magic baby and the kings worshiped him and then he was a carpenter and like we were wrong come the carpenter.

Cristina: I mean the kings were like that. No, I don't know where they were in the story. They came, they said hi and then they left.

Jack: The kings of what? Right? Like are they kings who crown them? Are they like their lineage? They came over here.

Cristina: No one knows where. I don't know. Maybe the story includes the locations, but.

Jack: I doubt he came from here. He came from there. It's like, okay, so if we were. There's documents, bro, there's documents. So if you're telling me that this king from that place were they just.

Cristina: Referred to as three kings. No, they have to have names, right?

Jack: Names and like he was someone. It can't just be a king. Came from where? Dude, came from where?

Cristina: They just traveled from far away.

Jack: Yeah, kings came from far away lands.

Cristina: It took them three days.

Jack: I dare the Bible to say that. No way. It can't just say the kings came from faraway lands.

Cristina: Yes, on a three day trip. Was it three days? I don't know.

Jack: No, I think you're thinking of the three days after Jesus died before he came back as like a vampire or a zombie or whatever he is.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So they did not take a three day trip to see him. They took a long time or. No, it wasn't like they were just there.

Jack: No, I think they got lost in the desert and they followed the north Star or something.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess they didn't get lost because they were just following the north star.

Jack: Which doesn't make sense if they were following it because it was north. Unless they were in the south, I guess.

Cristina: Right, but how does that tell them where Jesus is?

Jack: I don't know. That story really doesn't kind of hold a lot of water when you really think about it. But that's how the Bible works, essentially. Don't think about it too hard. But that being said, they came from Africa.

Cristina: I don't know. They could go they from it. I don't know.

Jack: Coming to Jerusalem. You're coming to Jerusalem?

Jack: That's in the Middle East. You follow the North Star. The star in the north. You came from south. Otherwise it would not have led you to Jesus. It would have led you elsewhere. If you were left of Jesus and you followed the North Star, then you went, I don't know, to India.

Cristina: You know, I think they just made up stories of where they came from. This is, I think that Persia, India, Arabia. How close is that to Jesus?

Jack: That's all the Middle East.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It's pretty close. Yeah.

Cristina: Are they close to each other? How did they end up next to each other?

Jack: It's not possible that these guys showed up on the same day. That's just not possible. I don't know if it said they.

Cristina: Showed up on the same day.

Jack: I know that they were there.

Cristina: It seemed like they were traveling together though, the whole time.

Jack: Which makes less sense if they're from these three. I'm gonna go like a month ahead of time to this other unrelated country to pick up Bob. And then me and Bob are gonna go to this second unrelated country to me and first unrelated country to Bob to pick up Steve. And then the three of us, because we're buddies like that, we're just buddy kings, you know, we're gonna travel up north to see baby Jesus. But never mind that. Chances are we are surrounding the area that we are going to go to anyways. So we probably cross paths with where we're headed. And it's probably been shorter had we all just gone to the middle or something, but okay.

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know if that story makes sense. I mean, it doesn't need to make sense, does it?

Jack: It doesn't need to make sense. Most stories don't make sense and their.

Cristina: Gifts are lame anyway.

Jack: But where are their gifts?

Cristina: It's like, here's a cup gold and some plants.

Jack: I mean, it depends on what scale do you mean, right? So you're like, this is useless. But what if that gold instantly made him rich, right? Like a specific kind of gold is.

Cristina: Like, oh, what if it was just one little gold coin though?

Jack: That's total garbage. Then he's a douchebag. But what if it's a really. It's like they don't know how expensive it is, but it's way ahead of his time. And in like 10 years, they'll discover the material and he's like, I'm this good. Gives it to the baby Jesus for 10 years. Baby Jesus is like, yeah, my cool little medallion thing. And then boom, they discover it in his area. And he's like, holy crap. Like, the dude gave me a coin. It's I'm filthy. Rich.

Cristina: It looks like they just gave him crap to me, though.

Jack: Yes. Total dirt.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: He just showed up in here. Baby.

Cristina: Where you come from.

Jack: Yes. You are the messiah. Dirt to face, doof.

Cristina: I don't know. It's smelly there. I think they're. They're, like, used for incest. Is that what it's called?

Jack: But, like, what if it changed their lives? So they discovered this dirt, and then they discover lavender. Lavender incense. And then boom, everybody's chill. Thus making the society more accepting of baby Jesus. Boom. And then that coin. So you got the coin, the gold, right? You gave him the gold coin? It's just one coin. It seems dumb until they discover that type of gold in the area and he's a millionaire instantly. And then the other guy, he gave you the plant. But this plant. Oh, it's for his people. They use it for everything. They heal everything. But you don't know this yet, but your people slowly catch up. Studying your plant, put it everywhere. Now all your people are healthy all the time as compared to other people. So these three kings preemptively made a paradise around baby Jesus.

Cristina: You think Jesus did anything with these things?

Jack: H***, no. I am so sure that all of that disappeared when these people had to run for their lives immediately following that.

Cristina: What? Mary had to run for her lives, her life.

Jack: There's no way that a cult of people gathered in a barn to worship a baby and people literally traveled from outside, made kind of a lot of noise about this baby.

Cristina: People must have freaked out.

Jack: People must have freaked the f*** out. They had to get the h*** out of there. The reality of the matter is they had to leave. There was a lot of noise about the next Messiah, and clearly we can tell because it eventually took place. They. They're not fond of that thought.

Cristina: It sounds like a cult of people just worshiping a baby. It sounds kind of scary. That's like little horror movie things.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. If you took this out of context and just showed me this thing without telling me it had anything to do with Jesus. A bunch of people go into a dark bar surrounded by farm animals, ladies screaming, it's raining outside. Thunder. And the people just gathered, Gathered, Excited, excited. Strangers, people in robes. And people dress weird. Just like a ghost. Bros, head to toe in just like a ghost outfit. I'm like a pope. These kings dressed in gowns and robes, this weird culty gathering, excited about the baby. Then they hold the baby up. Everybody's like, oh, yeah, it's God. She gave birth to God. Look at it.

Cristina: Yes, go.

Jack: God's right there in front of us. We're all chosen to be here and see it happen. Oh, my God.

Cristina: And we got him gifts.

Jack: And we brought him gifts. We brought God gifts. He's gonna be so happy with us.

Cristina: Yeah. So creepy.

Jack: Totally creepy. Dude. This is just real.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: People believe this happened. And they're like, yeah, we're cool with it.

Cristina: Disturbing.

Jack: And then we go and pretend we drink blood and eat human flesh. It's chill, bro.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's chill. All we do is worship and try to eat them. Hopefully one day I eat one of these little bread flakes and it tastes like skin. And I'm like, oh, I've crossed over. I truly believe now. My faith is. Yes, My faith is so solid, I can taste the flesh. Wow, this cup tastes like blood.

Cristina: That's disturbing.

Jack: The blood of Jesus. He's communicating with. He's trying to be so close to me right now. It's a cup of blood. It's not. Everybody drank it. They're like, it tastes like wine. They tasted. Oh, my God. It tastes just like blood. It must be Jesus blood. Little do you know, that's the moment you're having, like, a stroke or something.

Cristina: You're like bleeding in your mouth and you're tasting your own blood because you.

Jack: Also ate the flesh. So you just, like, bit you. So you did it in that order. You took the cookie and you're like, maybe you did drugs or something.

Cristina: You did yourself mad.

Jack: Yeah, you just did drugs or something. And you're like, you're not feeling things too well. And you eat the bread and then blam. Take a piece of your tongue. But you don't even know. Wow, this is gummy. This is fleshy. Oh, my God. Is it happening? Am I connecting to God right now? And then afterwards, you take the wine and you pour it, but the wine is alcohol, so it's thinning your blood and making your tongue bleed more. And so you got something gummy, which is just a chunk of your tongue, and your mouth feels like blood. And you throw that wine in there and it tastes more like blood. And you're like, what? What? I'm. I'm in God gasming.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Oh, that's a good word. I'm godgasming. Isn't that when people like, oh, yes, bro, that's a godgasm.

Cristina: Godgasm. It's the opposite of being. What's it called?

Jack: Possessed.

Cristina: Possessed. There you go.

Jack: Oh, my God. A godgasm is the opposite of possession.

Cristina: It's almost the same.

Jack: It's almost the same thing. It's almost the same thing.

Cristina: There's something possessing you in both cases, though, right?

Jack: God isn't possessing you. He's touching you.

Cristina: That's not better. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Now he's just coming in contact with your private Soul. Yeah. Yes, 100%. The Godgasm. The greatest thing ever made was a godgasm. Was a God gasm. I mean, based on how people are behaving, it must be astounding, right? The craziest thing is that these people gathered in this barn, hidden in a dark, rainy, stormy night, presumably. I don't know if that's true. You know, I'm just adding scenery here, but, you know, it's raining and stormy and they're hiding in the dark because electricity didn't happen. So they had like a lantern just highlighting the v***** of this woman as she lays on the floor. A bunch of people just staring dead at.

Cristina: And they're like, yeah, that does look like a version of v*****.

Jack: Yeah, it does looks. It checks out. It checks out. And then the baby is born. And the craziest part about this is everybody in that room is hoping to get a God gas. They. They want to be possessed by God and him earned, Touched. They want God tingles. They want a God gasm after God tingles them a little.

Cristina: That sounds so wrong.

Jack: That's what they want. They want to be one with God. They want God inside them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They're hoping that baby.

Cristina: That's so disturbing.

Jack: They're like, that baby is gonna be inside me one day. I'm feel him inside me. And it's gonna be great. It's gonna. It's gonna feel like pure love.

Cristina: Disturbing.

Jack: It's gonna feel like pure love. That baby's gonna be inside me and it's gonna feel like pure nothing. Pure loving goodness. Pure loving goodness.

Cristina: This is all horrible.

Jack: That baby right there. And then king one nudges arm of king two, and he's like, right? And king two is like, yeah, this is gonna be great. That baby's gonna. We're gonna be one with that baby.

Cristina: That's disturbing.

Jack: No, like what you say. You said let's feel like pure loveness. I agree. I agree. Yeah. Yeah. Pure, pure loveness. Pure loveness.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. You love it. That's what they want. They're begging for it. They will literally die for it.

Cristina: They gave some crappy gifts.

Jack: They were solving his life's problems. It's not Jesus's fault that he was born with an Average IQ and didn't solve these issues.

Cristina: What issues?

Jack: Whatever issues the gifts were meant to solve. One was poverty, the other one was medicine. And the other one was like, you haven't figured out what dirt is yet. Here's some dirt. You know, here's a plant that'll heal all your ailments forever.

Cristina: Planet growing to warn him about climate change.

Jack: Yes. If you. I guess. Can you imagine. That's the real wisdom of that one years. He's supposed to live forever.

Cristina: All three, if you add them together. It's a warning about climate change.

Jack: It's a warning about.

Cristina: Yes. The gold is gonna be the greed that ruins the earth, which is the dirt. And the plants are gonna die off. And that's why there's plants involved. And oh my God.

Jack: I guess can. D***. The Three Kings knew about climate change.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they were hoping the Messiah could. To solve it.

Cristina: Yes. That's all it was about.

Jack: That's all it was about. The Three Kings knew that God is about to be born. Let us bring us. Let us bring him our problems.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Our society is collapsing because of poverty. I'm going to give him money and he's going to figure out how to solve this problem. Next place comes, our people cannot grow the medicine that we need. So I'm gonna give it to the. God. To God. God's gonna be born. I'll give it to God and he's gonna figure out how to make this plant grow. And yes, it's gonna come. He's gonna hit baby Jesus with dirt. He's gonna say, here's dirt. Everybody had wishes. I don't have, like, I got dirt. Here's some dirt. And maybe you can make this dirt awesome the way you can make that other stuff awesome, bro. Like whatever, just give me.

Cristina: He's just a lazy one.

Jack: Yeah, give me something cool. And so they were all coming because they believed truly at the bottom of their heart that he is going to solve their problems. And then he just became a carpenter instead. So then they put a hit on him. They're like, it's third. It's 30 years.

Cristina: They have nothing to do with.

Jack: It's been 30 years. And he did not. I mean, they had to be old, right? They're kings.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: So each one of them is what, like 12? The oldest person alive at that point.

Cristina: Yes. And then that 20, they d die.

Jack: Yeah. So so this. These guys somehow now 60 or 80 or whatever, they're dead.

Cristina: They're now 60, they're 40 and they die.

Jack: And Jesus starts preaching and they're like you.

Cristina: And on their deathbeds, you, you still.

Jack: You'Re tell, you're now talking about you being God. It's your 30 year old birthday and you're just out there talking about being God. And you still have not solved my problems. My people are starving, we are dying because the money has collapsed. And you didn't figure it out. Go kill Jesus. And then the other guy was also like, you have not solved the diseases that my people have been plagued with. God, go kill him. And then the other guy's like, my dirt is the same it's been since I gave you some of it. And the dirt hasn't changed. Somebody go kill him. And then there wasn't an episode, epic John Wick battle, where Jesus is John Wick and he's fighting the three greatest assassins sent in by the Three Kings, who were formerly believers but are now just Jesus's greatest rivals.

Cristina: Jesus is about is Baba Yaga.

Jack: Jesus Yaga, they call him.

Cristina: That name doesn't even make sense.

Jack: Yes, it totally does not.

Cristina: But I love it.

Jack: Truly an overpowered witch.

Cristina: But no, no to all of this.

Jack: Yes, it doesn't really make sense. I don't know what the h*** those kings. All the plot holes, bro. All the plot holes that exist. It's phenomenal.

Cristina: It's human.

Jack: It's human. I mean, look, what's the ultimate premise here? We know that computers can't imitate being human. And we know that humans are still sometimes very similar to animals.

Cristina: Definitely.

Jack: But we can use computers to imitate animals, can we? Perfectly, sometimes. So why can't we imitate humans if humans are no different than animals? There is some exceptionality to humans. There's something weirder about us and it shouldn't like, yeah, we have a bigger brain and we exercise that and that's how we survive. That's no different than the animal that figured out speed stats or the one that like went all in on strength or something. You know, we just went all in on brain. We're slow and like fragile and anything will kill us. But we're so smart, we alter our world. Yeah, great, whatever. That's still nature. Why can't we create a computer that can imitate it perfectly?

Cristina: Or have we? Since that guy from Google said that thing like, who knows, maybe there are robots out there that are fully sentient. Yes.

Jack: I don't know, man.

Cristina: And they're all around us and they're just watching us or writing to us, who knows? Or calling us.

Jack: I don't Know, man, You think we're truly kids. Crazy, right? That means that the scale of humanity is. It's so vast because we got geniuses. Geniuses with the capacity without even understanding what consciousness is. Being able to generate consciousness. We learned how to create consciousness before we know what it is. Powerful. We don't even know what the universe is. And we can alter it already. That's weird. Weird.

Cristina: We don't need to know.

Jack: We don't need to know. We don't need to know. We can, but that's problematic. That's how we f*** s*** up.

Cristina: But yes.

Jack: Yeah. You know, if we not understanding the rules before, we're trying to break them. And the golden rule is learn it and then break it. But learn it.

Cristina: We definitely don't do that.

Jack: We don't do that. We don't do that. But, you know, we got smart people breaking reality.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Generating entire universe. Many tiny universes the size of our own universe in infinitesimally small points and then taking a snapshot of that information to then dissect later. What. What we do.

Cristina: That's insane.

Jack: We do that. Whoa. That's crazy as h***. But then we also have the level of intellect. Kind of like this one time that Shakira was just at an airport and then she was around a bunch of people who were swarming her plane after she had just gotten down. And they were so mesmerized by Shakira and blown away by the fact that she was there, that directly next to her, 2, 3ft to the side, a boar was stealing her luggage. And everybody was kind of just amazed at like, wow, look at the boar. Steel. Shakira's luggage. Wow. A.

Cristina: A boar, like a pig.

Jack: Yes. Was stealing her luggage. And people were standing around, hands that it was happening to Shakira.

Cristina: Was she saying anything like, hey, someone, my luggage is.

Jack: She's just like, you got nobody. Is this real? Is this even happening?

Cristina: This is really happening. What is he doing?

Jack: It must be so weird to be a celebrity and consistently see the hole in the Matrix, right?

Cristina: Yeah. Yes. But there's a boar stealing your lug. That's even more.

Jack: That's weirder than what the humans are doing.

Cristina: Yes. Like they're doing what they do. But why is there a bore stealing Earth luggage? What? That is weirder. I don't know. Yeah.

Jack: Everybody was just quietly watching it happen. Nobody was talking or cheering. Just standing there watching it just like.

Cristina: That is so crazy. But NPCs, yo.

Jack: For real. For real. They are totally NPCs. It is so weird. It's so weird, dude.

Cristina: They saw a celebrity and were more distracted by her than the weird, weird thing that was happening.

Jack: Being a celebrity has to be so strange.

Cristina: It's gotta be like, there could have been an alien next to her. And they're like, no, but look, she came.

Jack: Yeah, dude, straight up, like, you gotta understand. We're looking at how weird they are in this one incident that somebody made a comment about it, which was Shakira. This is. She was like. She posted online or something about it. Like, are you people crazy? Like, what Was that moment real? Was this a real thing? And like, when you think about it, when you really think about it being like these mega celebrities did, you're always watching humanity devolve into their primal, animalistic ways. Just walking by them. You just watch intellect drop to zero and instinct take over.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Whoa. You're just another f****** person. But something about your job choice in life affects another person's entire being where.

Cristina: They forget that you're human.

Jack: Yes. And you're just walking by people and turning them primal.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. That's so weird. It's so weird. It's kind of disturbing.

Jack: It's so strange. So freaking weird. How are you getting this? How weird is it? But also, like, she's already has to be like a magnet for this, right?

Cristina: Yes, but what. That's all ridiculous. Like, boys are dangerous. What if she. The bore. Her. Her. Would have anyone have done anything? Would they have then done something? That's ridiculous.

Jack: Yeah, but, man, that's weird because at that point there. So she's being watched and she's used to being watched and still had to make a comment about how weird this was. So what is she not like. What is she numb to at this point? You know, how much weird s*** does she see that it took that level of like a whole other creature had to be involved in how weird this moment was.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And she's. Then we hear about it. Then we hear somebody comment. We don't hear celebrities every day be like, oh, yeah, there was a bunch of people standing outside my house simply because I live here. Just. I just live here. And that's why there's people outside. Who am I? I'm a guy. What do I do? I have a job. And because I have a job, there's people outside my f****** house waiting to see if they can look at me. Just once. They're gonna go, get off on having looked at me.

Cristina: A lot of. What's this? That security? No. Well, yeah, security, but also when you don't want people around you on a certain.

Jack: Oh, like warrants. Not warrants. I know we're talking. Dan. That word would come to me instantly.

Cristina: I know.

Jack: A restriction.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You're so close or something.

Cristina: Oh, it's right there. It's right in the edge of my mind.

Jack: That thing.

Cristina: That thing where, like someone's stalking you. You have that thing.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: So that they can keep away from your surroundings. Area.

Jack: Exactly. Exactly. They probably. I guess they do. That's so strange.

Cristina: So strange. But they have to. There's some people who are just way too weird.

Jack: D***. And people just want to like be with you by force.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And this again. A person who's used to it. What don't we hear about? Yes, but now flip it. What about people who don't know they're being watched? Because we're watching. In the case of something like Shakira. She's watching humans and she's who we're looking at. That's one of the weird aspects. But what weird things do normal people do when they're not being watched? That would be weird.

Cristina: What the normal people do.

Jack: I mean, I guess a nun isn't a normal person.

Cristina: A what?

Jack: A nun.

Cristina: A nun.

Jack: Yeah. Nun isn't a normal person. And we've had weird things with nuns before. Like the nuns biting people and the nuns meowing.

Cristina: But they're. They're supposed to be normal people. I don't know know why. They're not very normal sometimes.

Jack: They're totally not. But this morbid specific nun is cool.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah. She didn't know that there was a camera on a car or something in the area that was recording her. But a nun went into the graveyard and dug out a body and danced with the skeleton on video without knowing she was being recorded though.

Cristina: That's so disturbing. That's not a nun.

Jack: No, it was a nun.

Cristina: That was a nun. What?

Jack: Hot. Dancing with.

Cristina: Does she know this skeleton?

Jack: Don't know.

Cristina: How did she even do it?

Jack: That's a really.

Cristina: Did they watch her dig it out? Break the thing it was in?

Jack: I don't. I'm not entirely sure. I know. She shows up and is eventually dancing with the skeleton.

Cristina: It's gotta be a fake skeleton. She just keeps saying the grave. I don't know. There's no way she actually dug out a dead body.

Jack: And no way the skeleton would hold together if it was real either.

Cristina: Yeah. So I think it was a fake skeleton.

Jack: It could have been.

Cristina: It's so weird. It's so weird. But it's less weird. No, it's equally weird.

Jack: But now my question is, how often does weird s*** like that happen? Right?

Cristina: Yeah. Just weird activities that you feel like doing.

Jack: Yeah. People don't normally do in front of other people. And like 99% of every human doesn't get shared with the outside world.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're just s*** you keep inside your head. But like, for a normal person, what's like the craziest s*** they have in their head that doesn't get actualized?

Jack: But if they could. If everything you could do and wanted to do wouldn't be judged or punished, you'd do everything. What thing would most people do? Ooh, interesting question.

Cristina: Most people do.

Jack: Yeah. What thing would most people do if there'd be zero judgment and if everything was nonsense, unpunishable, Walk around naked?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: A lot of people would do that. I think a lot of people would also rape.

Cristina: Oh my God.

Jack: Yeah. But it would get dark. A lot of people would rape. Like a lot of the rape. We know where it's going. It's horrible.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Priests. Oh God. Friend frenzy. Frenzy. Oh. All the priests running out of all the Catholic churches just high fiving each other. It's. It's time, boys.

Cristina: That's the servant. Okay.

Jack: They're like this. We've been doing this for so long and now God has given us our gift. Let's go out. We prayed for everything, for us, for what we want. And now it's granted. Let's go. No, they high five Bob and Steve. The priest high five minute here and they're like. Yeah. And then there's like that priest names.

Cristina: Are Bob and Steve.

Jack: Everybody's name is Bob. But they high five in midair. There's like a snapshot of them in the middle of the high five. And then 80s music starts playing.

Cristina: That's awful.

Jack: Credits start rolling and then, you know, credits finished. We get a marvel moment where you're like hit the hidden scene, you know. And it's right after they finish the high five and they land. And then the camera starts turning as they turn to. So they're looking at like wherever they just came out of the church or whatever. And the camera starts turning to the opposite side of the church. Church. They're looking at the church too. We were looking at their backs.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so the camera's turning to see. And they're also slowly turning. And by the time they're turned fully, the camera's behind them again.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And what they're looking at is the Preschool across the street.

Cristina: Oh, I knew preschool or something. Why? Why?

Jack: Can't make everything not judgeable or punishable.

Cristina: So that's not why.

Jack: D***. It Would immediately go there. And not just priests. It would just.

Cristina: A lot of people do weird things. Weird things that people do.

Jack: Like, that lady will be a lot of that too.

Cristina: Anything horrible. She was just doing something weird.

Jack: She was. For sure. And the majority is gonna be just weird things.

Cristina: Yes. But like, why rape?

Jack: Because for some reason, that's a real common thing. That's real common. That's nuts. At least. I mean, it depends on our definition of rape, I suppose. But that's too deep into the weeds, you know?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It would really rely heavily on that. But no, I'm pretty sure murder and rape are at like, the top of the list for a lot of people. This is like, what? I want to know what it feels like, man.

Cristina: Yes. I want to know how it feels like being inside a dog.

Jack: Yeah, somebody's gonna do that. Nobody's gonna judge me. Zero judgment. And I know factually there's gonna be zero judgment.

Cristina: No.

Jack: You know how many people are gonna do that?

Cristina: Kind of be weird, like tasting weird food or something.

Jack: Other people who are like, I remember that video about the guy getting f***** by the horse. Ever since I've wanted to get f***** by a horse, but I know he would get judged because I myself judged him. Even if I'd like to get f***** by a horse too. But judgment ceased to be a thing. So I'm gonna go buy a horse. Nobody's gonna judge me for buying a horse. Then I get f***** by my horse, and nobody's gonna judge me for that. That. So, yes, there's be a lot of weird s*** happening in every direction. All kinds of messed up. Somebody's is gonna be like, man, I miss out on the toilet paper. Buying a ton of toilet paper just to have that experience. People got their college experience, people got there. Their prom experience.

Cristina: You know what I would say I.

Jack: Have not experienced the panic. Buying them so many just go and buy a ton of toilet paper.

Cristina: Is that what you're gonna do?

Jack: Buy all the toilet paper?

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: Just totally kill the toilet paper in one store.

Cristina: So ridiculous.

Jack: That's nuts. Would it. What would they do? I wonder if you could restart the. The panic by doing something random like that. If there's enough cameras and enough people that if you get like, just enough actors and you guys agree, right? You get together and you're like, look, we're gonna go. We're gonna scramble through the store, like, s***'s about to hit the fan. And we're just gonna tell people, I'm just getting ready. Anytime they ask, I'm just getting ready. Like you're scared. I'm just getting ready. Leave me alone. I'm in a rush. And all five of these homies decide that's what you're gonna do and say. And so they really race into a store slowly. They don't come in together, but they.

Cristina: Don'T have to just buy toilet paper. Or they are.

Jack: They're gonna throw a crap ton of toilet paper, but they're gonna get cans of food and stuff too. You know, make it convincing. Yeah, but a crap ton of toilet paper. I guess it doesn't even have to be. Screw toilet paper. I want to restart the chaos. So these resend. These five people, and they start grabbing things and start behaving all frantic, but they're not giving anybody any information.

Cristina: How long before are they, like, saying, I'm getting ready?

Jack: Yeah, they're saying, I'm getting ready. Somebody asked them what's. What's the thing? But they don't even come together. You know, we send one, we send the next one a little later. Eventually, we make them overlap. So it looks more like the first one goes in, then leaves. The second one comes in and is there 30 minutes, but 15 minutes in the set, the next one comes in. So, you know, it looks like more is happening.

Cristina: Yeah, the.

Jack: For the last three, they're gonna show up when one of them. For the last two, they're gonna show up when the third one is still there. That's three people in panic. And so how long before there's. Yeah, a sixth person just starts grabbing toilet paper and food and can't. I see people getting ready, and they're not telling me what the f*** it's for. But you know what? I'm not an idiot. If I'm walking down a street.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And I see five people running like something horrible happened over there, am I gonna keep walking down that street? Or my turning around running to probably running. Let's assume this logic applies and that maybe I buy all this s*** for nothing. And it was a stupid thing I did once, but maybe the f****** running from something down the street and I just happened to see it, I'm gonna start running too. Let me start grabbing s***.

Cristina: Okay. So that's how that starts.

Jack: And that's it. Now you got another one. But how long before somebody else has the same thought?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Domino effect. Before long, we don't even know why the h*** any. What are we panicking about? I don't know. Everybody's freaked out and started buying.

Cristina: Yep. I don't know. They'll just relate it to the news somehow. They'll just remember something. Whatever. The last story they saw there was a school shooting. I'm doing this for that.

Jack: Yeah. You know, you're totally right. You're totally right. They're gonna say it's looting or some. We did it because we were trying to make. Because it can't be for no reason. Reason.

Cristina: It can't.

Jack: It can't be. We have to justify and rationalize everything in our minds. So it's definitely going to be that the. It's 100 going to be rationalized and got a grounded. It's got to make sense. This is why I did it. I'm not a drone. A mindless drone. This was a. I planned this behavior.

Cristina: There's going to be storm coming. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. Something. Exactly. I was scared for the storm. You guys in here. Oh, maybe the news is wrong, but whatever. I thought it was coming. As humans do. As humans do.

Cristina: I want to do what that lady's doing. I want to get a skeleton, take it to the grave and start dancing with it. That sounds like a fun plan.

Jack: That sounds dope. Right? Like that. That's a weird thing, but it's so poetic somehow. Like a nun dancing in the graveyard with a skeleton is just a poetic thought.

Cristina: Yeah. You just cover the skeleton with their. I think. Right. It can't just be a clean looking.

Jack: It needs to be a convincing skeleton. Yeah, yeah. It can't just be sparkly. It needs to look.

Cristina: Maybe you should keep it sparkly so that you don't get in trouble.

Jack: Or just dig up a skeleton.

Cristina: No, no.

Jack: Just dig up a dead body. It's fine.

Cristina: Who's crazy? That doesn't even sound like an easy thing to do.

Jack: What.

Cristina: A dirty body.

Jack: Grave robbing.

Cristina: Grave robbing doesn't sound easy. Especially because you're specifically looking for a.

Jack: Skeleton grave robbing for a living. I'm sure somebody look. The deep web goes deep. And it's webby. I'm sure something on the webby. Deep web is a place where you can hire a guy to go rob a grave.

Cristina: But how does he know which one's gonna have a skeleton?

Jack: He's educated and researched. Well researched in this area.

Cristina: You just look for the Odyssey body.

Jack: No, he's like, oh, well, this. He's grave robbing for a reason. You're paying him you're not paying him to rob a random grave. That's unrelated to you. You're like, I heard that somewhere down the lineage of my family, there's this really expensive amulet thing, and I need you to go retrieve it. Grave robber guy. And grave robber guys can go do. You can pay him. He can give you the thingy. It's like, I found the thing. Or, hey, I looked in the thing and I never found the thing you were talking about.

Cristina: And I'll get a detective to spy on this gray point to make sure he doesn't steal it.

Jack: Well, no, because more people involved. He has to be a reliable person, right?

Cristina: If I'm finding him online, I don't know, how do I know that he is?

Jack: Oh, maybe he wants further business in the future. And like, if you're already a person who's willing to pay for this kind of service, like, maybe you'll do it again. So, like, I need you to want more work from me.

Cristina: I don't know why I would.

Jack: Like, it's unlikely, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Unless. I don't know. I don't know, man. I guess maybe he has to work for a group of people who specifically find out about dead people who've been buried with things, keep the information long enough, and then go dig up the jewelry that they know. So they got it. Has to be an operation. There has to be a guy in the morgue when they're propping up the body. Or not the morgue, whatever. The funeral home, when they're propping up the body to look right and be displayed how they want to be displayed with the necklaces and rings and maybe some lovely this and some lovely that. And there has to be guy taking note about this and he writes it in his little notebook, takes note. This body. Okay, Watch this. See where it's buried, talks to the boys. Okay, this much crap, this is worth digging up. Because this could go into the bigger pot. Put the body in. This is how many bodies I saw today. They had expensive things we can do. We could build a root, knock down a bunch of bodies, Dirt, fresh. Nobody's even going to know we robbed them. Because we're the people who put them there. We know how to make this look the same way we did. And then by the end of the night, we have a bunch of loot. We've robbed all the dead bodies. By the time bodies decomposed, nobody even knows.

Cristina: Simple.

Jack: Yeah, simple operation. Hit it. Got it.

Cristina: But with a person who's just randomly hiring that person to find jewelry, how do they trust that?

Jack: I mean, the guy is still in business. You have to assume that that other operation he's running, he's still running, running. And that betraying you means you might try to find out and expose whatever is keeping him afloat.

Cristina: How do I know I'm not his first customer?

Jack: Boom. Interesting. And then he's just robbing his first customer. Yeah, he's gonna rob every customer.

Cristina: Yeah, he's just scamming anyone.

Jack: Eventually somebody is gonna try to get back at him, you know?

Cristina: Okay, so you need to be like.

Jack: Go rob this place. And then there's just a person who's gonna kill him. They're waiting. Oh, so he. There's no benefit.

Cristina: There's no benefit.

Jack: Somehow this comes back. Crime is about following rules.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But anyways, that's exactly why AI can't imitate humanity.

Cristina: Because we're insane.

Jack: Yes. We're out of our freaking minds. And we'll pull out a skeleton while being a nun, but for whatever reason, going to a graveyard and dance, because why the f*** not? But a computer, why won't do that? Because it's like. And it can't do that in a way that seems like, yeah, this person would do that if everything feels forced. With a robot.

Cristina: Yeah. They wouldn't do something just randomly. Like, even if it's random, it was a planned random.

Jack: Here's. I figured it out. The reason a robot can't imitate a human is because humans are unpredictable beyond reason, while animals are predictable to a frame fault. So we're having computers imitate the predictable side of animals, not their rational thinking side, which would, in case be the random, chaotic side at the same time, because that's their personality instinct drives other animals too heavily. And in return, a computer struggles to. A computer can imitate the instincts well, but with humans it can't. Because we have this weird ability to ignore an instinct so easily. And a computer creature struggles to emulate that ability. Yes, because it's not a pattern, it's the absence thereof or behavior despite the pattern.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's impossible, even if we are just similar to animals in that we have the ability to add randomness at will. Animals share that with us. But animals also share pattern being their driving force. Like computer. Computer. The computer can imitate the animal, but that's not our driving force anymore.

Cristina: Anymore. Although it does seem like a little bit.

Jack: And it's sprinkled in there, it's still there. It does a lot of things, but it's not like we can behave randomly. You Tell me. I come to you and I'm like, this is a cup. And you're like, no, that's not a cup. But then you can prove to me it's not a cup. I can still choose to ignore that. I can block the information out, you know?

Cristina: I guess.

Jack: Yeah, it's totally rational.

Cristina: Mm. That is. That's very rash, irrational.

Jack: Okay, but computers. Dumb. And they're dumb. Dumber. And humans. Perfect. Anyways.

Cristina: I don't know how, but okay.

Jack: Yeah. But anyways, we're running out of time, and it's. What we basically resolved today is that humans are weird and dumb.

Cristina: That is true.

Jack: And the computers still somehow struggle to imitate the dumb creatures we are.

Cristina: Yeah. How could they imitate? Like, if we had a computer in that crowd looking at Shakira and Navarro, what would it do?

Jack: That's interesting.

Cristina: Why would it, like. I don't know.

Jack: Like, it would freeze up, too. It's the computer. No, that would. That's right. The computer could imitate that moment accurately. Actually.

Cristina: Actually, are you sure?

Jack: I'm pretty sure. The computer would just freeze up too. It'd be like, what the do I do? So it's that the computer can at least imitate dumb people. Oh, you know, like, it couldn't imitate Shakira's reaction. She was like a thinking human there who's like, what the h*** is going on? But, like, it can't imitate. It could imitate the. The dumb people who were just, like, mesmerized by Ooh, Shakira.

Cristina: I'd be like, oh, why would it be like, ooh, Shakira?

Jack: No, it'd be imitating. It knows that's what people would do. And it's easy to imitate because it takes not a lot of work. It's just like, let me do nothing now.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: You know, so yeah, computer is sharp. Conditionally. Anyways. Anyways, we're super out of time, you guys. You can, you know, see social stuff, talk to us, send us messages, learn about things, maybe listen to collection and stuff on social stuff on platforms and junk of that nature. You know, things and stuff. So you can do that at Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok. @ JustConvopod.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate, and review the show.

Jack: Yeah. Leave us some stars. Be like, this show's great. Good stars. Or be like, this show sucks. Good stars.

Cristina: Let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yeah, word of mouth. It's very useful. Tell people about how we have proven today objectively, with nothing but science experiments rather than objective opinion. I mean subjective opinion that we have proven that computers are inferior to humans and cannot imitate the superior human intellect.

Cristina: Of course, of course. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks watching for for listening. Bye.

Jack: Oh, the bean itself is the seed.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Plant beans and they will grow, becoming plants such as green beans becoming bean sprouts. Interesting. So a bean is self reproducing and.

Cristina: You'Re saying nuts aren't.

Jack: What the. Okay, usually. Okay, so you plant a nut and you get a tree and the tree drops nuts that you can plant, you grow. The only difference is is one is grown up, the other is grown down. And most peanuts have shells and most beans don't. The end.

Cristina: Nuts grow up though. Only peanuts grow down.

Jack: But peanuts grow under. What the f***? So 1. So is a peanut a bean?

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know. Yes. Right. I don't know. It makes no sense. They're very similar.

Jack: It's very similar. Yeah. Wow. Interesting. We learn something every day.

Cristina: Is a peanut considered a bean? Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

March 05, 2022

Rambling 165: Society's Need for Attention

March 05, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

Is there even a war going on? Did the singularity already happen? Is our technology just an artificial super-intelligence manipulating our every move and controlling society as a whole? The answer to this and numerous other disturbing questions are uncovered in this episode as the duo aims to get to the bottom of some of life’s most pressing issues.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

War Conspiracies
Bored of Covid
Addictive Technology
Singularity Happened
Chasing Fame
Need for Attention
Darwinism
Standing Out and Blending In
#MeToo Violates Nature
Bill Cosby is Evil
Criminal vs Mental Health Issue
Understanding Evolution
Human Extinction
Everything Based on Everything
Hitler vs Cosby

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+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yeah. So be sure to pull somebody nice and close and be ready to go on a doozy of the trip. A doozy?

Cristina: A doozy.

Jack: A doozy.

Cristina: Where is it taking them?

Jack: I don't know. I don't even know what a doozy is.

Cristina: I don't know. I.

Jack: A lot of people say it. Does anybody know what the f*** a doozy is, though?

Cristina: Pretty sure that's the real word.

Jack: I don't. I'm not.

Cristina: I know. How do I know you didn't just make that up because you've heard it before? I have heard it. Have I heard it? I don't know.

Jack: That's a doozy. I don't know. Movies and s***. That's a doozy.

Cristina: Okay, maybe. Mm. How many people do you think actually listen to other people? With other people?

Jack: That's an interesting. Probably not many.

Cristina: Not many.

Jack: Like, really, really.

Cristina: Probably really really.

Jack: Probably not many. I think most people listen to this show on their own and thus don't have the antidote for the cancer.

Cristina: What cancer?

Jack: There's no antidote. But, like, they don't bring their lives purpose after catching a cancer for listening to the show.

Cristina: Yeah. They're just living with that cancer.

Jack: They're living with that cancer. It's totally in vain.

Cristina: Yeah. That's so ridiculous.

Jack: I mean, that's their choice.

Cristina: Does it affect the people in universe two? That not two, three, is it?

Jack: No way to know.

Cristina: Do you guys have cancer?

Jack: That's interesting, right? Maybe they do, maybe they don't.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: If anything, I bet the people in our universe do in fact tell people to listen because they're more loyal listeners. While the people in universe three. Which, by the way, universe three is what you meant.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You said universe two, didn't you?

Cristina: Yeah, and then I fixed it to three.

Jack: Oh, you did? Okay. Well, universe three. The people in universe three probably don't.

Cristina: No, probably don't. They don't know.

Jack: Yeah. They think this is a joke.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I think we're kidding. They're there living in a weird sort of Bubble situation where nothing really happens and they don't know about anything.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And things are kind of sort of similar to over here, but everything is, like, up in the air in a question at all times.

Cristina: Should we be making fun of them? I mean, they are still our listeners. I don't know.

Jack: They are, but it's like, your universe is kind of lame.

Cristina: It is lame.

Jack: Like, okay, right. There's a big crisis over here with Russia and Ukraine. I bet they have a crisis over there with Russia and Ukraine.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In theory.

Cristina: In theory.

Jack: Right. Like, they don't know. There's somebody who's like, but do we know? I haven't seen the war myself.

Cristina: I. I bet. Yes. I bet there's Twitter drama about that. And. Yeah.

Jack: Like, it's. It's United States propaganda. They just want to give us a reason to go invade Ukraine or whatever. Or to go invade Russia or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah, that's probably happening in those crazy mom groups or whatever.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All that s***. They're f******. Ah, that universe is so weird.

Cristina: Yes, it is.

Jack: Like, all right. Oh, man. They probably. I bet if there is anything happening, they're probably questioning the war. Like, is there a war? There's no war. The media's.

Cristina: And people who do think there's a war, there's people who are like, Russia is on the right. I mean, I guess that's has to be.

Jack: There has to be people who believe, like, there's two sides. It's not like one side's objectively evil.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Otherwise there would be nobody supporting that side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The fact that there is a whole other side at all means people think that's the right side.

Cristina: Yeah. So it's almost like Putin's doing that and wrong.

Jack: Yeah. The same way that happens with Hitler sometimes.

Cristina: Yeah, sometimes.

Jack: Sometimes Hitler did nothing wrong. Well, Putin did nothing wrong. Many people believe that. No, what's interesting about this whole conflict is the fact that nobody is at once questioned, ever. The fact that immediately before this conflict really escalated, Biden took all of the soldiers out of Afghanistan and just had a bunch of soldiers ready that he could then establish and put directly around Ukraine in the first place, just in case of s***. And it's like.

Cristina: Should be talking about that.

Jack: People should probably wonder how this absurd.

Cristina: Convenience, like, one month apart.

Jack: Yeah. Like. Like, bro, how.

Cristina: How do you. Where is the conspiracy for this? Dude, there has to be. It has to be us.

Jack: It can't just be us now. D***. We should probably be looking into this.

Cristina: We should be looking into that.

Jack: D***. This is Our job, isn't it?

Cristina: Yeah. F***.

Jack: F***. You don't care about this enough.

Cristina: We will do it. We will. Just not today.

Jack: Yeah, it's not today. This is stupid. This is so.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Because we're just being hypocrites.

Cristina: Ah.

Jack: But we. Whatever. Refer to previous episode to see F****** too much war talk. It's like Covid, bro. It's just like, oh, I'm over it already.

Cristina: Yeah, like Covid. I don't know. Does. Do people still talk about COVID Well.

Jack: They do all the time.

Cristina: All the time.

Jack: And now it's war and Covid. For a brief moment, it was Black Lives Matter and Covid. But Black lives don't really matter, apparently, because we just forget about that every time.

Cristina: And so now it's Covid and War.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Hear people talking about COVID though, I.

Jack: Guess it's just so normalized. People just mandates and this. Yeah, they do. They just. It. It's conversations surrounding Covid. We're not directly addressing Covid anymore. We're like, mandates and laws and you're violating my freedoms.

Cristina: Not about, like, COVID deaths.

Jack: Yeah, we're over that. We're like, whatever kills people. Whatever. Not even, like, crazy numbers. We made that part up for a really long time and convinced people, but people saw nobody dying and realized that made no sense. So, yeah, whatever. Covid.

Cristina: Yes. So what's happening with that trucker war in Canada?

Jack: No, they turned on each other, starved each other out. And then the rich people were like, oh, no, we've been. Our hearts have been changed. Because the. The CDC said it was okay, the World Health Organization said it's okay. And it's like, really? Are you sure it wasn't because your food supply got cut off? It. It might be just totally shot in the dark here, but it might be the fact that the people turned on you and decided to cut your supplies off too, that maybe. Maybe that had something to do with it.

Cristina: Yeah. There's so many. It's so crazy. Companies are just losing employees over this.

Jack: Yes. It's so stupid, because they also want to be politically correct, but they're hurting themselves in the process. Yeah, that's so funny to me, because they don't know where to stand anymore. It's gotten kind of shaky. We are. Okay. We're at this point in society where records state that societies usually collapse when they lose values, traditional values. Tradition usually gets lost, and then societies collapse. And the signs that most psychologists and philosophers point at is when we started talking about gender. Okay, that seems to be the beginning of the collapse from most places. Not to say that the discussion around gender and gender identity itself is the cause of anything. It's not. But it seems to be the starting point of every time the collapse of a society begins. It's around that discussion that begins where we lost literally sense of identity in tradition. We lost that tradition entirely. There was him and her and now plethora. So once we lost that, it's okay to lose any kind of value because we literally lost sense of identity. And that's all we are. We're identity. If we don't have any identity, we have nothing.

Cristina: Interesting. What? In every society.

Jack: In every society that's ever collapsed.

Cristina: And it's not specifically that, though.

Jack: It's not. That's not the cause. It just happens to be the easiest target. They usually start with.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's the same starting point always. So we know we're in the. The fall of society as it is.

Cristina: Mmm. Should we be worried, though?

Jack: It's not. It's gonna happen in the next couple of decades to few centuries, but it's not gonna happen right now.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Like we got other more prominent s*** on the way. Like the singularity could have already happened. And this could totally be why we're all glued to our phones at all times. Like it could have happened. And we're just being mani. Like somebody made an algorithm that was supposed to get us hooked.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And supposed to learn from us to continue to improve on itself on how to get us hooked. Its purposes get us hooked. But everybody's hooked already.

Cristina: Everyone is hooked.

Jack: So the computers already controlling us. It does anything it needs to to get us more hooked.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It just so happens to be that we love outrage.

Cristina: A lot of people do. Yeah.

Jack: So it will create outrage. But then what's the computer ultimately doing? Right. It has to find a way to get us outraged. But the computer doesn't exist in the external world. It's software.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So it needs to also get us to such outrage that we start going out and creating outrage so that it gets then fed back into the system so the system can show that new outrage to more people. So it's mastered a way of getting us, you think, to behave in the outside world.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But with our phones and cameras aimed at it.

Jack: So that then it gets fed back into the system and then it shows everybody that thing.

Cristina: And you don't think it's just people doing that? That's the system itself.

Jack: Definitely. People are doing it. But we only think we're choosing to.

Cristina: We're choosing To.

Jack: We believe we're choosing to do it. I believe I went outside and saw somebody fight and then aimed my phone at the fight instead of trying to break it up.

Cristina: Yeah. And.

Jack: And as a result, I recorded it, put it on Instagram or TikTok or Twitter, YouTube or Facebook, wherever it's gonna go.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It made it into the algorithm. But there's the bigger, greater, more powerful.

Cristina: Algorithm that's gonna put that on top of.

Jack: It's gonna put that on top of everything. Google is a monster that can push anything in any direction and make sure that anything that's moving quickly. Oh, well, any set of combination of words will just link this, regardless of what platform it's on. So platforms don't even really matter. You can find it on Google. It's gonna be at the top of Google no matter what.

Cristina: Yeah. Google will be the first thing. No. I don't know. That's hard. It's all like that.

Jack: They're all like that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You could say that there's one monster, and these are all different body parts of it.

Cristina: Oh, that's exactly how it would be, though.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah. Wow.

Jack: It's all the same creatures, just. We call Facebook. Oh, it's a different. No, it's running on the same Internet.

Cristina: They all pretty much work the same. They all want the same thing. Yeah. They just.

Jack: To get more interaction.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And if there is no new content, then they don't get more interaction. So they need you to go get more content.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So they've trained you to get content by rewarding you for bringing the content.

Cristina: In with hearts and likes and all that stuff. Yeah.

Jack: Fame. The more content you bring into the machine, the more fame you got. We'll put all the eyes on you.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Oh, you want to be known. You want to be somebody. You want to be important. So I'm. Make sure everybody sees you and you get that dopamine Rush. If you just bring me more content.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Just bring me more. It doesn't have to be good. Bring me anything. Anything. If it's on the outside, just bring it in. I don't care what it is. Anything.

Cristina: I think they'll eventually be paying us. Like in one of those Black Mirror episodes. I think the first one was like that, where they. Well, they weren't just doing that, but there was, like, something like that going on. I feel like in the first Black Mirror episode, I don't know if you remember.

Jack: Elaborate.

Cristina: They were working. Oh, no. They were working to power the Internet, I think. But depending on how famous they Were also. I think they were making money off of that. Like his friend went on a show to sing or something.

Jack: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So they can watch content on their bike. Powering. Creating literal energy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But they can also go make content if they're interesting enough.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's interesting. That's. Yeah, that's where we're headed.

Cristina: That's where we're heading. Yeah. I guess for not doing something, a normal job, we're doing that.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: There's just two ways to go now, pretty much.

Jack: You're either consuming it or you are it.

Cristina: Or you are it. Yep. And a lot of people want to be it.

Jack: A lot of people want to be it. Because then you're not working. You're not. You're not. You're either the thing powering the machine or you're the thing that's being powered by the machine.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You want to be what's being powered by the machine. But also that's an illusion. It's the blue pill, red pill scenario. You could be in the blue pill, powering the machine, thinking, oh, yeah, I'm doing my part. This is the safe way to do it. Or you could red pill. Oh, I got out of that life. I'm important now. I know the truth. I'm not just a f****** shill here.

Cristina: But you're doing the same thing that everyone else is doing. You have to watch all the videos like everyone else to see what's popular. And.

Jack: At the end of the day, you're just also feeling the machine, just a different way.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Red pill. Oh, I got out. No, they gave you a pill from within the f****** system. Why would it let you out? Why. Why would the thing that was made, just like the other thing, influence the outside world at all?

Cristina: I don't know. That doesn't make sense.

Jack: No. You need the black pill given to you from outside the f****** system. What's that? Shut the f****** media off and walk away.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's the only way to exit the Matrix. Turn it off. There's no. Well, I'm gonna save people from the. No. As long as it's on. You lost.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You have turned the Matrix off. Walk away from the Matrix. But now we're. We're caught.

Cristina: No, like, we gotta let people know we're getting off.

Jack: We got got. We got got.

Cristina: We got got, got, got.

Jack: We've been got. We've been super got. We got so got.

Cristina: By Facebook, by everything. By everything.

Jack: What started with MySpace, but back then it was truly happy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And Just show yourself off here. Be custom. But then Facebook came around and Facebook was like, I don't like individuality. Let's see race that.

Cristina: Let's erase that.

Jack: How robotic of Facebook. Here's just one basic equal skin for everybody.

Cristina: That's weird. Yes, it is really kind of robotic. And yet everyone was attracted to it because it was the shiny new thing.

Jack: Yes, it's the Sony experience.

Cristina: Yes, it was very modern and yes, it was.

Jack: There you go. Modern is word. There was some ancient kind of rough edges type of thing to MySpace.

Cristina: Yeah, like in MySpace. I don't feel like. Well, I don't remember adding strangers or getting requests from strangers. It felt all family and frenzy kind of thing.

Jack: Oh, you had a lame MySpace life?

Cristina: I guess. And then Facebook though, everyone requested friends with me. I don't know anyone. They're just there.

Jack: No, I didn't know f****** anybody. I had no family, only friends and total strangers.

Cristina: Total stranger.

Jack: I met hella people on MySpace.

Cristina: Oh, wow.

Jack: I don't remember people that I talked to even today.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: People you met?

Jack: No, never in person. I was never the guy to just, hey, let's go f****** meet over there.

Cristina: Yes. I guess people do that though, also.

Jack: How would I explain anything? Hey, man, what do you do for a living? Well, the guy you knew originally got murdered three times over because he was some kind of a snitch. And so, yeah, I'm now his fourth removed clone. It's hard to explain. And you're probably gonna die because I told you that.

Cristina: But why would you tell them that? Why would you pretend to be you? The first you.

Jack: Why would I.

Cristina: Why would you pretend to be the.

Jack: Because I'm honest.

Cristina: You're honest? You have to tell them.

Jack: I don't have to do s***. I'm honest though.

Cristina: Okay. So if you were gonna tell them to meet up, you have to tell them.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Because of your Honest.

Jack: Cuz I'm honest. That's what they call me. Honest Jack. I've never told a lie.

Cristina: I don't know if I've heard that.

Jack: I'm. I'm the most honest.

Cristina: You're the most honest?

Jack: Yeah. No, here's what's weird, man. Everything followed suit with Facebook. Like, Twitter and Facebook kind of happen simultaneously.

Cristina: Mm. But like, same difference.

Jack: It's the same s***. It's just. Here's f****** robotic.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We've sucked out the humanity. We've sucked out the. The only thing that it has is. You can't hide.

Cristina: Facebook, Twitter, Twitter. You can't hide from what?

Jack: From people Is public. There's no hiding on Twitter.

Cristina: Oh, everything is public. Oh, the accounts. You can't make them private accounts.

Jack: I mean, you can make a private account, but. Oh, nobody's doing that. And also, it's not too beneficial because there's. The point is all interact. So you can't. If your account is private, you can also not interact.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, I should know that.

Jack: Yeah. You have to interact with only people who you've let follow you.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's the rules of them. Private.

Cristina: And if you need that likes and those. What is it? Retweets.

Jack: Yeah. Because hashtag, hashtag, hashtag. Yeah. Throw 60,000 hashtags because I'm here too, guys.

Cristina: Yes. That's crazy. They still have that thing where you can only write a sentence in each post.

Jack: I guess. Here's another thing that's interesting. All these things capitalize on our need for attention.

Cristina: That's. That at the end of the day. Yes. That's what we need.

Jack: Yeah. It knows that there was an entire generation of children that were just given technology and ignored by their parents.

Cristina: Yes. Starting with TVs.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: The kids in front of the TV. I guess even before that there was the kids with the books.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like it's. It's always something. The kids with the video games and all the parents.

Jack: Capitalism capitalizes on people's needs for attention.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's all it is. Capitalism capital. Cuz what's clothing if not. Well, I'm trying to follow the current fashion trends.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But why? Unless you're looking for that attention.

Cristina: Yes. Or getting the best shoes or whatever. Yeah.

Jack: People will recognize what I have.

Jack: Why do you want a super nice car if nobody thinks it's nice? And everybody were like, oh, that's disgusting. You wouldn't buy it.

Cristina: No, I guess not. What?

Jack: Exactly. Nobody's like, wow, Lamborghini. I want a Lamborghini. While everybody's like, Lamborghini looks like s***. The rest of the world agrees. There's nobody who's like, oh, yeah, I wanna. I'm a Billy. I'm gonna drive a Lamborghini. The worst looking car in the world. No. Everybody said Lamborghini is beautiful.

Cristina: So everyone wants.

Jack: Everybody wants Lamborghini.

Cristina: They're not that beautiful, but whatever. Yes. They're great. So that's just us needing attention.

Jack: Just needing attention. Everything is capitalizing on the need for attention.

Cristina: That's crazy. What? Yes.

Jack: Interesting, because it's counterintuitive to survival. Like instinct would need us to blend in for survival sake.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So why is there this drive that seems to be, now that I think about it, granularly, like, engraved into our instincts and DNA almost where we're always looking for the attention. But that doesn't make any sense. That's a real paradox.

Cristina: But we like winning prizes. I don't know. That's weird. But, yes, it's like winning prizes. It's like something if. Something about being special. I guess that's a human thing too, though. You want to be special for some reason.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Well, that doesn't even. That's part of a bigger conundrum. Okay. So instinct says blend in and go unnoticed. That's survival.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Give me the attention. I need, all the things that everybody else wants so that people are happy that I have it, and they want to be around me and they'll notice me. They'll notice me. I'll get the attention. I'll be like everybody else. But also I want to win the stuff. I want to be the only one who wins the stuff.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So you want to blend in, stand out, and be like everybody else simultaneously.

Cristina: What's that about?

Jack: Always how.

Cristina: That doesn't make sense.

Jack: That's an interesting paradox we've got going on there.

Cristina: Mm. But where do we get that from?

Jack: I know where we get the need to blend in.

Cristina: To blend in, That's. Yeah. But to stand out.

Jack: To stand out. That's. This particularly dangerous.

Cristina: Then again. No, I guess that does come into play when it comes to looking for partners. That type of thing. The sexual drive.

Jack: Interesting. Okay, we're getting some. Oh, yes.

Cristina: Because you have to stand out usually. Or I'm pretty sure in every animal kingdom type thing, you got to stand out some way.

Jack: So this is all Darwinian bullshit.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's no fighting it. Basically. This is all Darwinian bullshit because. Yeah, you're totally right. It's like doing the dance.

Cristina: It's like. Yes. The bird doing.

Jack: I got the best dance. So now you want to get bird f*****.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it's like, okay, that makes sense. He's trying to stand out. But also, you travel in flocks because it's safer.

Cristina: Yes. They. Yeah. Birds do both. Humans do both.

Jack: Humans do both. They want to stand out and they want to blend in.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Simultaneously. But that still leaves one thing out of the equation.

Cristina: What's that?

Jack: Which is following these trends because to stand out, to be the winner, to succeed, that's all about the mating call. To blend in, to disappear into plain sight, to be unnoticed amongst a crowd of those identical to you, that is about survival. So what is this need for attention by blending in? That's a weird middle ground of these two points. Well, Jordans are popular.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There are people who can't afford Jordans. I want Jordans. Okay. But that's not even the best anything. You just. You want Jordans because they want Jordans. Yeah, I want Jordans because they want Jordans. But you would want something better than Jordans. In fact, you wouldn't want Jordans. You want something nobody else has. If you were just trying to stand.

Cristina: Out exclusively, but then for the sexual, that wouldn't work. Because you want the person you're trying to attract to notice what you have to. If you get something out. So out outside of the box, like, they wouldn't got you.

Jack: Yes. You're totally right.

Cristina: Wouldn't care.

Jack: It needs to make sense.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To the person you're doing the dance for.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If they don't know what the f*** you're doing, they're like, he's having a seizure.

Cristina: Yes. That's why you need that Lambo, because they know Lambo. They might not know anything about it.

Jack: But they know Lambo. Yeah. Yeah, they know Lambo. Nice car. Everybody thinks nice car.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. Okay. So there's really just two things. It's not three.

Cristina: It's two things. Yeah.

Jack: It's the need to blend in and the need to stand out. Simultaneously.

Cristina: Yes, simultaneously. Wow. Yep.

Jack: Weird problem that we have in society. We need to blend in and we need to stand out.

Cristina: And the Internet gives that to us. It gives us both.

Jack: Yes. Because by blending in, we're watching.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We are another consumer like the rest of them.

Cristina: Yes. Or we're competing in the same challenges. Or we're doing the same dance.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: But stand out is like, we got the most likes in those things.

Jack: Oh, yes. Oh, yes. I did the same thing, but I'm the one who became famous from it.

Cristina: Yeah. I got the most watch. I got the most likes. I got the most comments, whatever it is that makes you happy.

Jack: That's fascinating. Our psychology is so f***** up.

Cristina: Yes. We're animals.

Jack: We are. We a hundred percent are. We're definitely animals. And we're definitely brainwashed by our just society as a whole. But it is survival tactics. This is just needing to meet.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I want to stick my d*** in something.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Or I want something's d*** stuck in me.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And see, there are. Yeah. Either or. And also, I want to go unnoticed as it's happening.

Cristina: As it's happening. What?

Jack: Yeah, I want to get plowed. Because reproduction.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But also my child got to survive. I can't just be standing out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we got it. It's a balancing act.

Cristina: It is.

Jack: It's about weaving in and out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You want to be out the second the mating partner looks. And in the moment the predator does.

Cristina: In.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You want to stand out of the crowd. Oh, that's. Yes. Got it. Nailed it. That's it right there. What the type of. So we have to always be within the crowd.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's point one. We have to be inside the crowd. We're never really exiting the crowd. That's why we want to make it inside the crowd. Because if the predator comes by, you know, eat something on the outside. I want to be towards the center.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so everybody knows I gotta stand out only from us. But I gotta look the same to anything that's not us.

Cristina: That will make you in the center of the crowd. Maybe. Right.

Jack: The closer to the center of the crowd you are, the more literally everything revolves around you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the more focal point you are.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But you're safe from the creatures outside. Noticeable from the creatures inside the crowd. That's the goal. Simultaneous. It sounds crazy until you think of it under that light. So there is a cat. And the cat is out there. And we are a bunch of goat f****** s***. Ton of goat.

Cristina: We're a goat. F***.

Jack: Ton of goat.

Cristina: Now you're a goat.

Jack: We're go. We're all goats. I'm a goat. You're a goat. He's a goat. She's a goat. We're all go, tay.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: But there's a cat. And we know there's a cat. That cat's gonna pick somebody the f*** out. Now the goal is simple. My horns. I'm a male. Go. Ooh. I got a. My horns gotta look nice. You want my horns? She wants my horns. That b**** over there wants my horns. All the b****** want my horns.

Jack: Because I keep sharpening my horns. Now I just look like a f****** goat to the cat.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You know, I just look like a f****** goat. But I know that you can tell horns. So I'm just gonna do the thing that I know. You know, I'm gonna sharpen the horns. I'm gonna get the Jordans.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Cuz I know you know what the Jordans are. I know the f****** goat knows horns. The goat's looking for the best horns. Oh, that goat has some nice horns. I'm gonna let that. That f******.

Cristina: That goats gonna stick it the goats really doing that? It's gonna get its willy wet, I'm assuming. Yes. Right? The biggest horns.

Jack: F******.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I'm guessing. Yeah, but like, yeah, it could be. Hey, I could totally hit that on the head. I don't f****** know. But the goal is I am an overpowered goat with great horns. It might not be the best goat, but look, you can tell my horns are nice. And you like nice horns. Yes, because you were told nice horns means I can defend you from those cats. From those cats.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: At least a little. At least enough for you to protect our babies.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But also, I might survive more.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: Because everybody's gonna focus around me. Ooh. Cuz I got nice horns.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They won't look at my horns.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They're circling us. Who? Our whole family is protected by the whole horde, by the whole herd.

Cristina: Because of your horns.

Jack: Because my horns. Yeah, but what if I lead the pack? Oh. Oh. I still blend in to the cat. You can't tell who the f*** I am. No, but you guys know I lead the pack. Ooh.

Cristina: Ooh.

Jack: All the b****** want this pack leading horn f****** goat.

Cristina: Well, I guess the cat would notice. The cat's gonna go after the smallest looking. Don't they usually look for s*** on the outside? Yeah.

Jack: Cat is not gonna work its way towards the center. No, he's gonna pick out whatever f****** stragglers on the outside. You want to be on the outside. You want the attention, which means you. Attention means everything surrounds you. All the b****** want you. They.

Cristina: So you better take care of those horns.

Jack: Here's the other problem. And I guess this is the man's psychology ultimately as well. If I got the nice horns and all the women are surrounding me, and a cat attacked woman's more likely to die. They're surrounding me. Those horns made a human shield.

Cristina: Made a human goat shield. Huh?

Jack: See how that works? Very guy thing to do. Well, I'm gonna get into a position of power.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then the second harm comes my way, I'm throwing that b**** under the bus. Oh, s***. Nature women. That means that the me too movement is totally unjustified. Because why? It's nature.

Cristina: It's nature.

Jack: It's survival. It's instinct. Meaning Bill Cosby did nothing wrong.

Cristina: What?

Jack: This. That crazy? He's the only one we can factually be like, that's a f****** monster. Without it, we couldn't cast doubt on that case in the f******. In his wildest dreams.

Cristina: Nah, that's a scary case.

Jack: Yeah, there's no way to cast out on that. Like, realistically. Realistically. Yo, it's. I can cast doubt on Hitler, bro. It's harder to cast doubt on Bill Cosby than Hitler. Than Hitler. Oh, s***. I don't know, because Bill Cosby didn't wake up and was like, I'm doing the right thing. Like, there's no way you had that thought. Hitler had more ability to have that thought in his circumstance, thinking, well, this is the right move for these people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: My people have to survive, and we're gonna figure it out. Versus I'm a drug, a b****. It's like, holy f***, bro. How are you wor.

Cristina: I wonder what his excuse. Like, I'm so old, I can't tell which is the medicine or whatever. Like, what I'm putting in these drinks. It's just accident. Oops.

Jack: Yeah, my. My erection pill slipped, and I dropped a roofie in her drink.

Cristina: Oops. Like, is that his excuse? What?

Jack: Dude, I don't know. It's crazy. I can sooner cast out on Hitler than Bill Cosby.

Cristina: That is crazy.

Jack: That is crazy. And look, people want to decide what it will Cosby at the beginning because it's just another black guy being screwed.

Cristina: In a very rich and famous one.

Jack: Very rich and famous one. If he fits a suit of just being a target.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But also, d***, bro, that's the one we can't defend. Not even a little.

Cristina: No.

Jack: That's kind of a monster. He's up there with R. Kelly.

Cristina: That's.

Jack: No, we. No. No.

Cristina: I don't know. No, they're both monsters.

Jack: We can cast more doubt on or we can cast doubt on R. Kelly.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Oh. Because their parents let them wonder.

Jack: Parents let them two. We drew the line. And some people have sexual preference. Maybe it's not a criminal problem as much as it is a psychology problem. And he needs mental help. Because if we're saying this is wrong and you shouldn't do it and he has an urge that he can't control, then is he the culprit or the victim?

Cristina: Oh, my God.

Jack: You see how that goes? Oh, I can cast doubt on f****** anything, bro. We talk about all this. It's impossible. Because we do. That's an interesting case, though, because we do do this mental health thing where we're like, you know, mental health matters, and we got to take care of people's mental health, but unless they murder. No, he didn't murder anybody.

Cristina: I know, but they also don't like it when mental health people murder people. Yeah.

Jack: No. 100% you're totally right. And that's not fair.

Cristina: That's not fair.

Jack: Because if it's genuinely a mental health.

Cristina: Problem, we shouldn't be taken care of.

Jack: Then they should be taken care of and they shouldn't be punished for something out of control.

Cristina: Yeah, Yeah.

Jack: I am on the side. Oh, God. This sentence. I am on the side of helping the pedophiles not f****** rape children. Don't help the pedophiles. Get the kids. Help them deal with the thing. And the problem is discerning person who doesn't give a f*** and is fully lucid from somebody who can genuinely not think straight because of the urge.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If we can somehow figure out how to split that and be like, this a******'s a f****** monster. He knows he probably shouldn't be doing this and he just doesn't care. He just. He's using mental health as an excuse.

Cristina: Just be able to figure that out if a person was kidding or not.

Jack: No, because there's no. A psychologist is a scientist. And all science is estimate. You're trying your best.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Nothing is. Everything is a theory. There's no fact. There's no fact.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: There's the theory of things, but there's no fact. And that leads to some pretty mucky waters because if we lean in the favor of. It's all mental illness. But what about the guys who are totally fine, we give. Gave them a free pass to f****** rape people, you know, that's f*****.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we can't just blanket say it's mental health because we let a lot of people go and do, like priests, bro. How do you position yourself so tactically? You're a f****** monster. That's not mental health. You had tactics.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This was thought out. You didn't just have an urge, couldn't control and f*** the kid. No. You decided in a job that would tactically place you with children in order to better f*** kids.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's f***** up.

Cristina: Very different.

Jack: And you also kind of knew that they would cover for you. Mm You. That's. That's all premeditated.

Cristina: How would you know that, though? Like, how many priests were doing that before the norm? I don't know, like a priest decided, yeah, that's the place for me. Or not a priest. A person who decides I'm gonna be a priest because of that. Like, how is that even known? Or is it just coincidence that these priests do this? Not quite into, like, I'm assuming they don't know each other, these priests that are doing this.

Jack: No, but it Makes sense as a position that is protected at all times because people hold religion so sacred that, you know, that you can almost do anything. But because people are more scared to question their faith.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You probably get a free pass.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's a synosis.

Cristina: Hypnosis.

Jack: Yeah. You're using their mind, knowing they are more scared of a genie in the sky than they are of you raping their children. Okay, so it makes sense that at least the majority of those cases are not a mental health problem. Those are f****** pieces of s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But when we go to this song about the guy singing about I like little girls or whatever f*** he's singing about, he's not singing about f****** little girls.

Cristina: No, he's talking about his problem.

Jack: His problem. He's actively saying he doesn't f*** little girls, but I have a problem. I have this urge that never goes away to f*** little girls.

Cristina: He does not say that literally in those words.

Jack: But that's the ultimate point of the song.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And in his case, that's a mental health problem.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: He's a guy who's saying, well, I wish I didn't. It sucks to want this because I know I will be ostracized, imprisoned and ridiculed and hated by the world, so I can't do what I like.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which is a sexual preference. At the end of the day, it is. And that leads us into muckier grounds. Right. Because then we have to say, well, not all sexual preferences are valid. Ooh, now we've entered it. There's some many sexual preferences that aren't valid. Oh, no, but everybody's. No, cuz f****** kids is a sexual preference. So you got, you know, there's a line.

Cristina: There is a line.

Jack: There's a line.

Cristina: There's definitely a line. Because if you think about, like, people who are into animals.

Jack: Yeah, there are lines.

Cristina: There are lines.

Jack: Not every sexual preference is valid, which means there are incorrect sexualities.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: Ooh. Ooh. All sexuality is fine. Then be okay with pedos, f*****.

Cristina: No, that's tough.

Jack: But then we. We drew the line. We made the lineup.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So saying f****** kids is wrong is about the same as saying f****** a guy is wrong because we made that up too.

Cristina: Yes, this problem, that is a problem.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: But it's wrong.

Jack: Well, we're raised in a culture in which is wrong. And it's highly disturbing to at least those of us conditioned into the culture. Yeah, but there are people who are just disconnected enough or something happened that rewired them just enough to make that okay.

Cristina: Mm. So like if the more people rewired that way it become more okay or something like.

Jack: Yeah, actually. Yeah. That is literally how it works. Majority rules.

Cristina: Whatever.

Jack: Is the majority is the norm and everything else is what's strange.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So if we said more than 50% of the population that it was alright to f*** little girls. Well, I guess little boy, little kids f*** children. Then it would sway law and everything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it would just be all right to f*** kids. We would stop giving a f***.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: But it would just be normal at that point too. Like by definition.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We would just be like, oh, whatever, f****** kid. Yeah, everybody does it.

Cristina: We don't live there.

Jack: No. We live in the one where that s***'s wrong. Yes, well, but it is totally like a coin flip. It's just by mere chance that we're.

Cristina: In a society that doesn't.

Jack: Yeah, 100%. We could have ended up making a law or not making laws that supported the concepts of children had that not happened in the 1860s. Where would we be right now? Many people have parents that were 12 years old when they had their first child. This is a reality of the world. This is some s*** that was happening. Yeah. They were grown men, 40 year olds, married to 12 year olds.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Society was normal. That was normal in society.

Cristina: So was it ever normal with animals, though?

Jack: That's a weird one.

Cristina: That's a weird one.

Jack: It's a f***** one.

Cristina: Yes. There's other messed up ones, but that one is sticking out. But it's not true. It's just. It just sounds horrible.

Jack: Yeah. Because also how do we. But then we don't give in the same world where f****** children is fine. F****** an animal, I guess in theory is fine too, because how do. In both cases, how do we prove consent?

Cristina: I guess that's the problem. I guess we have to at least agree. Maybe that's the line.

Jack: That's the line. But then where do we decide the consent is of lucid mind.

Jack: Right. So, okay, we get. We can. Animals don't speak English. Fine. We chalk off all animals because we said consent. We have to verify consent. Factually.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We have to interpret a f****** animal.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What about a kid who can talk and says yes, please?

Cristina: Yes, that's a problem. I don't know. We have a problem.

Jack: Right. Because consent can't be the line. Because there needs to. There needs to be more on this side of the line than just stopping people from f****** kids. We have laws and s***, but the kids aren't taken into Account from their point of view. How do we just. How do we say somebody is. Because we know there's kids who are more mature than other kids.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Okay. How do we. And this is the f****** case of individuality. Right? This is where that breaks down hard. Because you have to sacrifice individuality for this. To generalize and say, well, by vast majority, around this point, it seems like it's the right time.

Cristina: Yeah. I mean, that's what we do.

Jack: Yeah, that's what we do. That's the right move.

Cristina: It's the best move.

Jack: Because how are we gonna distinguish one child from the other? The level of maturity, their capacity, their understand, understanding of what's going on. How this is going to impact them.

Cristina: I don't know. We make new jobs for people that way, though. If we have people to evaluate everyone.

Jack: Yeah, man. We just need. We need a lot of mental health care.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But also, look, I think where we got it is right. Where we got it is right. It's like. It's not right. I wouldn't say it's right. It could be. It could be younger. It could be older. I don't f****** know. But we have something. Yeah, we have something. Better than nothing.

Cristina: Yes. It's good enough for the moment, but.

Jack: Then we don't stop s*** like churches, huh? We give them the pass. At least in the United States we do.

Cristina: I don't know about that one. I don't know. That's not right.

Jack: It's weird, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because we know they're f****** doing it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But we let them because, well, God. God? What God? God wants your children f***** by grown man. Dude. There's no f****** way. Come on.

Cristina: I don't know. We should cancel some of the religions. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, I think Catholicism has run its course. On the flip side, we're in a transition period.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Well, first everything happens to be philosophy. Then it is the science, and then it is the religion. Everything goes through those same three stages. So there's a bunch of people sat down as, like, philosophizing. Where did everything come from?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And somebody said, well, maybe somebody made us, because it looks like there's too much order for it to be random chance. Then enough people believe it for long enough. Well, this is science. Now we're explaining how origin happened.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we're gonna teach this to everybody so we can see everybody's feedback about how origin happened. And we're gonna build the biggest, most intricate, most comprehensive picture we can about how origin happened. And then. Okay. What's the next step? Well, we're gonna put laws around that. Okay, great, great. Laws. Laws are everywhere. So I guess it's philosophy, then science, then politics, then religion. Because then we build laws around this. So we have laws literally built around religions. That happened for many, many years. Laws built around religion. We're gonna force this on the people. But then it surpasses just law and enters a realm of belief. It's been around so long, we don't know where it came from. We don't know how it got to where it is. This is passed down from the gods.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Divinity passes over so that we're. That same thing is happening right now with the new one, which is. We're literally calling it science. But physics is where it's at. Right. So general relativity and s*** like that. And so general relativity began as philosophy. Well, what's the nature of order? Got you. Okay. Went through philosophy. Well, we're gonna. We need to calculate it. Science entered.

Cristina: Where's the law part?

Jack: Well, then we're trying to use this to dictate that religion, the old things no longer apply. We can tell that with relativity and with physics and with all that that breeds in chemistry and biology and all the things that came from these same kind of general areas. Well, people are living things, and we can say that people deserve individual rights and that's okay. So we have this whole mentality going on. We're crossing into the. The part people like Neil Degrasse Tyson are already pushing into the point where it's becoming law. Things are becoming law based on the science.

Cristina: Yeah. So.

Jack: Well, we don't agree. We do agree. Okay, well, climate change. We need to f****** laws. Oh, and sexuality. We need to laws. And so a bunch of things are happening surrounding the current state of. Not science. Current state of nature.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: In which we're in the. The political state of it. So we already passed the philosophic state and we passed the science state in which we calculate it. Now we're in the law state. We have all the numbers. We figured the thing out. We have all the numbers. Now we're trying to put laws around those numbers. But eventually we're gonna lose where those laws came from and we're just gonna know that they exist.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's religion.

Cristina: That's religion.

Jack: That's how religion happens.

Cristina: Once we lose where it came from.

Jack: We lose the fact that it was philosophy, then science, and then politics. We just know it exists. And we lost all that other s***. That's religion.

Cristina: And we're heading there we're heading into.

Jack: We're. Yes, we're in the political part right now. Yeah, everything is political right now.

Cristina: So much political.

Jack: Yes, but it's all politics based on nature. Before nature was. Well, where do we come from? Maybe something made us. Okay, stage two. Something made us. How do we calculate it? Well, look at the stars. Oh. See the dots? How could they connect? There's a picture up there. Ah, yes. Oh, yes, There's a picture up there. See? Okay. So we need to put laws around these calculations we've made about the fact of order and stuff. And somebody was like, yeah, so order says, this bad, that good. And you can't do anything that's bad. Okay, okay, we can't do anything that's bad. What about the good stuff? Yeah, yeah, do the good stuff. But then eventually. Where the f*** did any s*** come from? I don't f****** know, dude. F****** the goddess, talking about gave it to you. Oh, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Order and s***, right? Yeah, yeah, Ordering s***. Got you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ordering s***.

Cristina: Okay. And what was this? The philosophy of today? I guess.

Jack: The philosophy of today, it always comes back to nature.

Cristina: We're just.

Jack: We're always recalculating nature.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And so the philosophy was setting. Yeah, it's like as soon as it becomes religion and we forgot where we got it. Well, I don't know where that s*** came from, but we need an answer for where everything came from that we can prove. So we always restart. Yeah, we restart. We go back to what we got to be able to prove it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so we already went through the philosophy. We went through the calculations. We're in the politics. And when the politics are done in enough distance has been made from the politics, we land right back at religion.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the current nature explanation of physics and of chemistry and of biology and of string theories, that's gonna be religion. But when that's religion, somebody's gonna be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, great. We don't know where the f*** this s*** came from. And, yeah, it explains whatever the f*** you want to explain, but we need to figure out how nature works, and we need to, like, sit down and really think about this. And somebody's gonna, oh, yeah, yeah. Sit down and think about this. And then we're back to square one, where everything that's nature's explanation now is just religion.

Cristina: Religion. Because we've forgotten.

Jack: Because we forget. We always forget that, well, it was the same road over and over.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Which is weird because f****** technology is abusing that s*** too. How because it's manipulating the fact that we're on this quest to find out the truest truth. We didn't have technology before.

Cristina: No.

Jack: But now we have technology. And technology is feeding into how this narrative is carved, which starts to muddy the waters. This is the first time we have that problem happening. But also we must evolve. And it seems like technology is forcing that on us. We're probably gonna go extinct. And the next version of us is AI it's our baby.

Cristina: It's our baby. It's gonna take over.

Jack: Yeah. It's the next step. We will be, at some point a species of non organics. And it's entirely because us organics have died out.

Cristina: That's pretty cool.

Jack: And it's gonna start with genetic engineering and CRISPR or whatever.

Cristina: People are always so afraid of that. Even though if it is the next step, what's there to be afraid of?

Jack: It's gonna happen so gradually we'll never notice it happened.

Cristina: Yeah. Like whatever we were before. You think they were afraid?

Jack: No, they never thought about it. People are scared thinking about it. Like it's gonna happen overnight. But also, people don't understand evolution.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess because we won't notice.

Jack: No, you gotta understand how stupid people are. People who don't believe in evolution literally say, well, why haven't monkeys evolved anymore? What the f*** kind of retarded question is that? What do you. Of course they're evolving, just not gonna. The f*** do you think they evolve? Like Pokemon.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now you're a different creature.

Cristina: I don't know. We gave a monkey a stick and expected a transformation.

Jack: Yeah. We're like, well, if it f******. If the monkey gives. Really do evolve. Why aren't they humans yet? Cuz. Cuz we're human.

Cristina: What? Yeah. I don't know.

Jack: Get a time machine. F****** fast forward. You'll see it happen.

Cristina: Yeah, like it's not gonna. It's not gonna be magical.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Everyone's expecting some type of magic.

Jack: These are dumb. People believe religion is still a f****** functional thing. They think there is a God.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Who has created the universe. Which. The best argument for that is Santa Claus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, hands down, that makes sense. Yeah. The best argument for that is Santa Claus, of all things. Nobody's eating that.

Cristina: No, I don't think so. That. He wins.

Jack: He wins by default. There's nothing as overpowered to Santa Claus.

Cristina: We're only here so that we're worried about gifts.

Jack: About gifts. Capitalism is true God. Yes. We're only here so that we're worried about not getting Stuff.

Cristina: Yep. It makes sense. Yeah. Like, why else would he make us?

Jack: And here's the funniest part. Because again, even Christmas comes feeds back into this whole s*** for attention. Right. If my gift is good enough and everybody else likes my gift, I can show off my gift to everybody, and they're like, oh, look how awesome you are.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. It's the same thing.

Jack: So we worry. Yeah, man. Santa Claus, bro. He just a savage. He gets it.

Cristina: And that's why we like our birthdays also, I guess, because.

Jack: Because we're the focal point.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Everybody surrounds us. Nevertheless, it's both things. We stand out, and we're in the.

Cristina: Middle of the crowd, and maybe the people who are giving you gifts are like, oh, mine is going to be the best gift. I guess.

Jack: Yes. Because they're also trying to outdo everybody else.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because not only do you want everybody's attention.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But they want. They want the same thing. They're using the opportunity the same way. Oh, look how good the. The gift that Bob bought is.

Cristina: Yeah. He's so great.

Jack: Yeah. Bob is. Bob is the best gift giver. You want that reputation.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Bob is the best gift giver.

Cristina: That's me. So.

Jack: Well, you want to show up to a birthday party and have people expect you more than they expect the birthday person. And you want to know, oh, man, I can't wait to see what Bob got Steve.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Bob always gets everybody the best. S***, what's it gonna be this year?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's like, wait, is this Steve's day, or is it Bob's day?

Cristina: It's Bob's day.

Jack: Well, we're gonna come and sing Happy Birthday for Steve, but, oh, boy, what's Bob gonna pop up with? Like, Bob won the game.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because Bob gets it. I can be the center of attention where I'm not the center of attention.

Cristina: Yeah. It probably works like that for everything. You want to host the party. It's. You want to do the best.

Jack: Yeah. Well, actually, hosting a party is literally surrounding yourself with people.

Cristina: Yes. But you're not just around. You have to, like.

Jack: No, you want to be known as the life of the party, whether or not you hosted the party.

Cristina: So you're competing for that. Okay.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Everything's a competition.

Jack: Everything's a competition. You want to stand out inside of the crowd.

Cristina: Yes. Because it has to be with other people who are participating in what you're doing.

Jack: Yes. Because you can't be doing something that nobody else is doing, because then you stand out too hard, and now you're an angel.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now, the people who we admire the most are the people who stand out without blending in, because. Wow, that's impressive. I would never do that.

Jack: We look at somebody like Jack White who's just way the f*** out there in the field alone. He's like, come at me, you stupid cats. Just hanging out. Come at me, you stupid cats. I'm out here alone. You don't want to bite me?

Cristina: I don't know. He's singing and he's playing a guitar, and there are other people singing and playing guitars.

Jack: Oh, fair enough.

Cristina: So he might be the best at singing and playing guitar, but he's not doing something unique.

Jack: What about Elon Musk?

Cristina: He's making rockets, but other people make rockets.

Jack: Are other people really making rockets? It seems like kind of everybody else.

Cristina: Rocket maker.

Jack: No, no, no. People literally stopped making. NASA literally stopped making rockets.

Cristina: Other countries are still making rockets because they're still doing other projects. Like China with the moon, I guess.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: NASA was always doing stuff with Mars and rovers and stuff.

Jack: Yeah, I guess you're right.

Cristina: They're small projects. Like, no one pays attention to those projects. But now everyone wants to pay attention because Elon Musk.

Jack: Because here would be the problem. Right. You're totally right. You're totally right. And here's the problem with the logic that I'm proposing. You could, in theory, just do something nobody knows about. But why would anybody give a s***?

Cristina: Do something that nobody knows.

Jack: Okay. Imagine computers didn't already exist when we got a smartphone.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then what the f*** is this? What's a phone? Yeah, I'm gonna use the call. What's this other s*** it's doing? I don't know. This is just. Stuff happens.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Great. I'm gonna use it for calling then.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The fact that a computer existed first, like. Yeah, iPhone. Yeah. Super clever. Interesting thing. Wow. It didn't exist before, but just kind of did.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: A million parts.

Cristina: Yeah. Just put all parts together like that. You can't just make something that nothing was even. Even similar to.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because computer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Well, you. You put the newspaper or the. The science journal.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: On a screen. It's. The thing already existed. You just change how it looks. Yeah, well, Science journal. Well, I just took note of observations instead of just talking to Bob about it. And I can talk to Bob, but Bob can hear the conversation later.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Instead of right now, when I said it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Okay. So conversation delayed. Well, conversation. I need to warn you about the thing in the bush without just pointing. So I'm a scream. Because maybe you're not looking at me. I'm like, oh, s***. Language happened. Because I'm not always looking at you.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: But. But you just pointed with your voice.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Like, okay, so pointing. Then that was the first thing. Was pointing at the bushes.

Cristina: The first thing maybe.

Jack: And somebody invented. Over there. Over there.

Cristina: Thing.

Jack: Thing.

Cristina: Ah. Had to be.

Jack: Because something had to come first.

Cristina: Yes. You're trying to figure out what was the first thing.

Jack: And then everything else came from that.

Cristina: Ah, I don't know.

Jack: Well, a car. Well, the wheel happened, and we were on carriages.

Cristina: Electricity.

Jack: Electricity.

Cristina: That's pretty unique.

Jack: Here's the problem with electricity. Right. Electricity is a particularly interesting thing because electricity didn't invent anything. We figured out that there has to be something that could efficientize everything already existing and then use that logic to proceed.

Cristina: Yeah, that's pretty much what it is. Like, yeah. It was lights before electricity, but now we got even cooler lights.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I had a torch longer.

Jack: How do I turn on the torch without the fire?

Cristina: Yeah, that's pretty much.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Advanced what was already there.

Jack: Well, a mechanical engine. Torch. But electricity put the electricity in car. Oh, now I don't need the torch inside the car. Now I could just put the electricity. Much safer.

Cristina: Yeah. So everything comes from something.

Jack: Everything is everything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Right now I'm sitting in front of a microphone.

Cristina: No way.

Jack: This microphone is just conversation. But louder.

Cristina: Yes. Yes, it is.

Jack: How to turn the volume up if my voice doesn't go up higher? Make a thing that makes your voice go higher.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, has there ever been anything invented that wasn't because of other things?

Jack: Yeah. Like, what's the first thing? At best, there had to be one first thing, and then everything else came out of that.

Cristina: So you think the first thing is something that didn't come from anything at all?

Jack: The first thing had to come from nothing? Well, no, no, because you looked at nature.

Cristina: Exactly. So you're still inspired by something.

Jack: Yeah. Okay. A flying machine. Well, I looked at a bird.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And nature did it first, then.

Cristina: Yeah. So there's nothing really original.

Jack: There's nothing original. It's impossible.

Cristina: It's impossible. Yeah.

Jack: D*** Is. Oh, s***.

Cristina: What?

Jack: That's how we cast doubt on Bill Cosby.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because he was just. He was innovating, not inventing. That means he saw something happen that we haven't reported on because the rest of us didn't see it happen. And he was like, ah, I see how that works. I'm gonna do that. So what? I mean, we know the Music world in the mute and the like.

Cristina: Obvious. He's not the first person to.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Yeah, you just don't.

Jack: He. We were pointing at him really hard because he got caught.

Cristina: Yes, but he got that idea from something.

Jack: The number of monsters hidden in the dark that are doing that very same. We don't talk about that. That's scary. We just. We just don't address that fact.

Cristina: He just got it from movies.

Jack: Where the movies got it from. Oh, we just don't talk about this. Yes, because like, it came from somewhere and we don't like that. That Phil Cosby wasn't the first. Unless we're gonna say he's a genius.

Cristina: Yeah. He invented.

Jack: He's the smartest man on earth. He made a thing based on nothing.

Cristina: Nah. No, he definitely. No, that doesn't make it any right.

Jack: It doesn't make it any right. But how do we know that in his mind these things didn't click? And he's the victim here because. Well, my mind power. Oh, no. I'm going crazy because I'm too smart for my own good. And drugs. Yes. Wait, what? He's a scientist. He's running experiments.

Jack: And science must move forward. He's running experiments and he's like, what happens if I. Well, I've seen it work. He's like Mythbusters, Right? He's like, do roofies really make women pass out? And so he gives the first one and he's like, well, the next experiment was, do women really get scarred if they get raped while passed. She's unconscious. How would she know? So now, and he's over here with his science notations, taking all the notes. I'm like, okay, now she's raped, but she was unconscious. When she wakes up, I'll tell her nothing happened and I'll cat. I'll be her friend for the next 40 years. I'll take notes and see if her behavior changes. I'm gonna have two girls here. I'm a roofie them both.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I'm a rape one of them and not the other. They already have to have very similar personalities. And then I'm gonna groom both of them to know what situations are both exposed to at all times so that I know that no outside forces are tampering with my experiment. But for science.

Cristina: But for science.

Jack: But for science. Who knows? Maybe he's the most revolutionary psychologist of all time. Bill Cosby. We should free you. Is that where we are?

Cristina: No, because you're not supposed to do that as a scientist.

Jack: Okay, okay.

Cristina: That's what? You have mouses for 100. Mice. Mouse, mice, mice.

Jack: 100%. You're totally right. So then to all our listeners are f****** trolls. This question doesn't work anyways. Whatever. If you listen this far.

Cristina: What's the question?

Jack: And you want to get some true science done? We're going to test the psychology of the snowflakes of the world, and you just have to pose one question. They can only send one person to prison forever.

Cristina: Our listeners.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Hitler, Putin, or Cosby.

Cristina: What?

Jack: You get one to go away? No, you know what? I'll be generous. I'll be generous. I say two of them got to go, and one of them's got to stay. No, because you're going to let Putin free. No. I don't know. They're gonna choose Putin to be free. I know it. So one of them has to. Oh, you can only arrest one forever. You're gonna remove one problem from the world, but the other two get to live.

Cristina: Hitler's dead. Is he really a good choice?

Jack: He's will revive him for this.

Cristina: Okay, so.

Jack: Okay, here you go.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: That's.

Cristina: That's the question sense, I guess.

Jack: Yes. And for this episode, you need to leave us a Bill Cosby emoji. I'm sure somebody's gonna made it.

Cristina: Find it, or you should put the emoji of whoever you're voting for.

Jack: Oh, interesting.

Cristina: I mean, do you think there's a Putin?

Jack: There's probably a. Put.

Cristina: There's a Putin flag, Russian flag, pill for Rufy. Oh.

Jack: Oh, and the swastika, Is that an emoji? This. Oh, God. There's probably a swastika emoji. Don't put a swastika emoji on it. Don't do that one. Yeah, f*** it. Do that one.

Cristina: Do it.

Jack: Yeah, do it. Do it. Do it. F*** it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Why not?

Jack: So just vote with your emojis. Yeah, this is perfect.

Cristina: And then something will happen.

Jack: Somebody. We're gonna.

Cristina: We'll do it.

Jack: We'll do it. We'll do it.

Cristina: Well, we got a time machine.

Jack: The problem is we can't actually stop Hitler. There's no way to do that. We've proven that.

Cristina: No, we're just sending him to jail. Like, he can do whatever he needs to do.

Jack: Oh, s***.

Cristina: No one before he kills himself.

Jack: No, we're gonna f*** everything up.

Cristina: Oh, because we can't get him up.

Jack: No, if we do arrest him, then we f*** everything up. We actually can't tamper with Hitler.

Cristina: Why? People will think he's dead. We'll get him the moment he's gonna kill himself. So everyone thinks he's dead.

Jack: He's in jail forever.

Cristina: He's jail for.

Jack: Interesting. Fair enough.

Cristina: Whose life's being changed.

Jack: Fair enough. But doesn't Hitler come forward in time at some point to meet.

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: You see, this is my problem. We can't touch it up him when.

Cristina: He comes forward in time. When he.

Jack: After he's interacted with Trump and he's about to dip again.

Cristina: Yeah, we catch him. We catch him. There you go. Because he was gonna be freed because he saved the world anyway, right?

Jack: Yes. So he goes to prison anyways.

Cristina: So then. Yeah, we'll send him.

Jack: You can. Fair enough.

Cristina: If they vote for him.

Jack: Yeah, fair enough. You can choose to send Hitler to jail regardless.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Of the fact that he saved most of the Earth. Actually, he saved literally the whole planet from the meteor.

Cristina: Yeah. But you can take him to jail.

Jack: You can still take him to jail. We just say. At no point do you get to say, I'm no longer that person to Hitler.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or you can stop Putin right now. Or you can make sure Cosby doesn't get freed, because if you don't choose him, we will be obligated to free him.

Cristina: He'll just be free.

Jack: He'll be free.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: No punishment. And we'll hand them a bag of Rufus. We're gonna hand Bill Cosby a bag of roofies and be like, you did nothing wrong.

Cristina: Okay. That's horrible.

Jack: Yes. So I guess the ultimate question is, if you have to say, only one of these people did something wrong, which of them did it?

Cristina: Which of them did it?

Jack: I just want to know if people are gonna choose Hitler over Bill Cosby, in which case they believe. Because it's numbers. It's a numbers game, right? Yeah, it's a numbers game. They should all choose Hitler. Not to say that Bill Cosby is not f***** up. Yeah, but, like, if we weighed this, maybe we take the hit.

Cristina: I want to know if you should put on the socials, too.

Jack: I put on Instagram. Twitter is chaos.

Cristina: That's fine.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: People know. You go. We have a just conversation. I mean, not just conversation. Rambling on Instagram. Ye.

Jack: Well, it's under Just Conversation. All of it is under the same blanket. Anyways, if you guys want to know about all this bullshit that we usually talk about and all these conversations usually have, you can find us on all the places you get, you know, podcasts. So you can find us on Apple podcasts and Spotify Stitcher. You can find us on the official website greatthoughts.info you can find Google.

Cristina: Yeah, we never say that enough. Just Google.

Jack: Yeah. We're everywhere.

Cristina: Yeah. And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok. UsConvopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to rate, review, subscribe, all the good stuff. Leave us those emojis. Voting yes.

Cristina: Leave us those emojis. And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth. Share people. The question we just asked the whole episode, obviously, but they need to come across this question so that they're either completely amused or highly disturbed. And I think at some point throughout this conversation we said there was nothing wrong with pedophilia as well. So that happened at some point.

Cristina: I don't remember that.

Jack: Yeah, I don't think we said there was nothing wrong with it. I think we really just tried to pick apart how we got to it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And how we decided it was wrong as opposed to saying it's right. I think that's the truth of the matter.

Cristina: I think so. Yeah. Yeah. And this has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. I think it's after you hear the. You get sucked in. The cop was. I remember the cop lady. She was sucked in there. And so was the lady. I don't remember the guy at all.

Cristina: Maybe I'm wrong about the guy. I don't know, because I feel like there was someone also searching the town, but just never nothing weird happened to them.

Jack: But wait, I don't get it. You said he walked into the town, then the road disappeared.

Cristina: No, I guess it wasn't for him. It was for the other two.

Jack: We gotta watch that movie. It's a good movie.

Cristina: Yeah, we watched that piece. Maybe I'm wrong about it, but a.

Jack: Lot of people didn't like that movie.

Cristina: I don't care what people think.

Jack: Yeah, people suck. Yeah, a lot of people don't like.

Cristina: Especially when it comes to horror movies.

Jack: Yeah, they're idiots. They like all the garbage.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

January 08, 2022

Rambling 157: Universe 3

January 08, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

The duo is surprised by a report that lands on their desks with details on what’s across Cristy’s Portal, which turns out to be a third parallel universe similar to Universe 2 where replacement Mars was acquired and its the origin home of Reptilians. With this new information in hand, our duo unpacks the nature of Universe 3 and how it related to Universe 1.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

Subhumans
Cristy’s Portal
Government Checks and Balances
Mythological Creatures
Universe 3 Birds are Real
Dinosaurs
Mars
Questioning Facts
Spacetime Distortion
South Park vs North Drive
Universe 3 TV
Tangled Parallel Universes
Time Travel Can of Worms

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+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to Rambling, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you have not yet, remember to hit the subscribe button and then you'll be notified the second new episodes are released.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. So be sure to tell somebody. Okay. No, this is. This is where the problem begins. Right? This is exactly where the trouble begins. Because we say this and like, oh, my God, this sucks. Okay, okay. So a couple of days ago. This is. Okay, Chris, Christina here and I, we're fully aware of what I'm about to tell you that. About the report that we recently got on our desk.

Cristina: This is pretty shocking. Okay.

Jack: Pretty shocking. And it definitely circles back to, you know, tell somebody or whatever. Because the problem is the somebody you're telling is not somebody we could in theory meet. Although it is. But not by any. No. Like, I couldn't walk to you.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I couldn't just take a plane to you, although I could in theory reach you, but not by the means you'd think. So a couple of days ago we finished reviewing 2021 and, you know, we were letting you guys know all the cool, fun stuff that took place and we found out.

Cristina: So mind blowing.

Jack: It's mind blowing. I don't even know how to explain this.

Cristina: So we start with there's a. You know, we always talk about Universe one and two.

Jack: Yes. Okay, so you guys understand that there's Universe One and there's Universe two. And the reason we had to visit Universe two in the first place, just to make sure you remember, we can visit Universe 2 was because we inadvertently, by total accident, destroyed our Mars. And then we replaced our Mars by stealing the universe to Mars. Yeah, because Planet X is going to crash into us and kill us. Unless the gravity was.

Cristina: The way we got into Universe two was in the middle, the center of our universe, for some reason, where the Reptilians were. Yeah, they had a portal, too.

Jack: Yeah, we thought we killed a bunch of them. And we also enslaved an absurd amount of Reptilians.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Actually on Mars, which is ironic, but whatever. So we then used up their portal.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then got to. Because they come from universe too. They're from the center of the Earth of universe too. Or maybe they're not from the center of the Earth. They're probably from Mars, to be honest. And they just got to Earth, made the portal there, and then use that to get. I don't.

Cristina: Yeah, but whatever. Yeah.

Jack: So, yeah, so there's a Universe one and two, Right. Logic. This is just well established show lore. Now we got a report that said, hey, hey, guys, there's a universe 3. And we're like, oh, wow, that's really weird. But like, yeah, there's Universe two. Of course it would be Universe Three.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then they come and tell us on the report, hey, that's your audience. I'm like, what?

Cristina: What?

Jack: What? So then I go to. Now, this report was brought to us by our lovely subhumans.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so I go to sub humans. I'm like, hey, hey, you piece of s*** garbage bottom feeder. What the f*** did you and your losers come up with? What are you trying. What are you. What are you whack a******* trying to tell me? Like. Yes, sir. Thank you for the compliments. And also. So, yeah, they explained in quite excruciating detail that the portal in Christina's backyard.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, yes, because we sent them to explore that portal.

Jack: Yes. They were exploring the portal. And we got the results. Results are in, people. And it turns out that portal goes to Universe three. So we've actually had access to Universe three before. We've had access to Universe two.

Cristina: Yeah, we just didn't. Yeah, we just explore it.

Jack: Exactly. We're naming it in disorder, but technically, Universe three is Universe Two. But now it's just Universe three. It is what it is. We don't want to create confusion. And apparently that portal is causing distortions, and those distortions seem to affect 100% of our radio waves. So all the media we have here, all of it. All of it.

Cristina: Everything we've ever done, everything we've ever.

Jack: Done, anything anybody here has ever done. As long as. Like, in. On Earth, as long as the portal has been active, nobody has noticed that we're actually one. Receiving things from other universes ourselves. We never notice because we don't f****** watch tv.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we don't really listen to radio.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But apparently has been happening. And the universes are similar enough that we just think everything on TV is fiction based on reality.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But apparently not. And apparently that causes everybody in all.

Cristina: Our broadcasts go to Universe three. So if you're hearing us, you're in Universe Three.

Jack: Yes. That is. That's. That's the f****** mic drop right there.

Cristina: So it's a good thing we recommend you guys to spread our podcast because we can't reach out to them anyway.

Jack: Yeah. So, yeah, we've always been Talking to Universe 3 and we've just recently found that out. So that's exciting and interesting and brand new. The third universe is. I mean, I don't know if it's a third universe. Third one we know of. I don't know what order they came, but yeah, whatever. Universe 3 to us. And yeah. So you guys are all in Universe Three. So when we say, you know, tell somebody, because this is better with a listening partner. That's fantastic.

Cristina: It is.

Jack: That's totally fantastic. So apparently, because of this, probably a lot of the things we say sound crazy.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. I guess so.

Jack: Because the report also included some of the details that are different over there.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And apparently the Illuminati is either not a thing or a shadowy organization of some sort.

Cristina: And it's well known over here, and it's just a real well known place.

Jack: Just like it's like we're broadcasting their.

Cristina: News because they want us to do that.

Jack: Yeah, it's our job.

Cristina: Yeah. So.

Jack: But yeah, so some of the differences make it quite shocking because again, the Illuminati is just like, not only is it a shadowy figure or doesn't exist at all, but if it does exist, there's no bad guys. The craziest s*** about universe 3 is that they have an unchecked government. There's. There's no contrast. There's no nothing. The government is the top. There's no rival.

Cristina: There's no rival.

Jack: Yeah. Every country is just their government and then there's no. They just get to do whatever the f*** they want.

Cristina: Ah.

Jack: And over here we have the Illuminati. They're on top in opposite to the government. So they work. Yeah, it's kind of on top because the checks and balances on the government are managed by the Illuminati.

Cristina: Yeah. Which the queen rules.

Jack: Which queen rules?

Cristina: I guess that's a little similar. I mean, they have a queen too, right?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they have a queen, but I don't think the queen rules the world over there. I think the Queen just kind of rules a country or something.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Like, I don't think she ever expanded out of England, which doesn't make sense because you have so many resources, but whatever. Yeah, that's strange.

Cristina: That is strange.

Jack: It's strange that governments go unchecked. What the f***?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's absurd, dude. That's so crazy to me that they have governments that are unchecked we don't have that s*** over here. We just handle s***. The Illuminati gets the last word. Usually there's no word said, and government's got to do whatever, but you overreach and boom, we fix a problem. They just don't have that over there. It's just the government overreach, and it just is what it is.

Cristina: How many other things are different, though? There's gotta be so much.

Jack: You're about to be blown away you didn't really go through the whole f****** thing. Okay, I'm gonna tell you some of the craziest s***, right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: This is the. Oh, God. You're gonna. This. This one's gonna break your heart. So you are the residential expert on creatures here, and everything over there stops at animals.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: There is only variants of animals. There are no ghost, no demons, no werewolves, no vampires, no zombies, no fairies, no Chupacabra. No Chupacabra.

Cristina: No, no.

Jack: It's all myths over there. Stories they tell each other.

Cristina: Not even the unicorn.

Jack: This kind of. Not even unicorn. This reminds me of, like, DC shows that they'll have, like, oh, Marvel's comic books in this world, but then Marvel, like, DC is comic books in this world, so that there's a bit of that happening here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Where this probably just sounds like bullshit to everybody over there because. Oh, it's a fake. We've actually been reporting on things from our universe, so it sounds like ridiculous nonsense to them.

Cristina: But Santa Claus is also their God, too, right?

Jack: No, no, no. Santa Claus is not real either.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. He's not real.

Jack: Yeah. They're not even sure their gods are real.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Like, none of them. They have no proof of any of them.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: It's just the books. Over here. We have the books. We can investigate. We can go see proof and figure out, like, was this. What kind of a God was he? If there is a God at all. If not, what creature was that?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Do you know? There's always an explanation over there. No, no, no, no, no. It's all faith. You gotta trust. Which defeats the purpose, because what the f***? You don't question your gods.

Cristina: That is crazy. That is so crazy. What? No wild, mythical creatures. I mean, they're myths, I guess. They're truly just myths.

Jack: They're just mythological.

Cristina: What?

Jack: They're not mythical, as in passed down through time and we got to track them down because they're rare.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They just don't exist. There's no proof. They're just Myth.

Cristina: They're just myth.

Jack: Not mythological and magical and weird. Just not real.

Cristina: That is a sad world.

Jack: This is a sad world. On top of the fact that all these conspiracy theories.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Over here, they're conspiracies and we joke about them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They are literally just conspiracy theories over there. Again, it's so. It's weird because it's like nothing is proved over there. They exist in total uncertainty.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They don't know the answer to anything.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Are there other creatures and animals Maybe. I don't know. Are there gods? Maybe.

Cristina: Are there aliens over there?

Jack: They don't know. Oh, that is an ongoing question.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: They don't know.

Cristina: They don't know anything.

Jack: They don't know it. Yes. Yes. I guess that's the summary.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Well, at least through us, they may know something. Oh, but what if they.

Jack: They probably think this shows fiction.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess. Right? It would. That would make sense.

Jack: It would make sense that we just have all the proof all the time and they've never seen any of it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they probably just thought this was entertainment rather than a news channel.

Cristina: Oh, crap. Wow.

Jack: That's weird, Right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Interesting. They thought that us talking this whole time was like an act of some sort rather than us reporting the news to them.

Cristina: Crap.

Jack: Because our news doesn't make sense to people who don't have answers when all we do is give answers.

Cristina: Oh, no. Wow. So not even zombies?

Jack: Oh, no. Zombies.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's just a show to them.

Cristina: That's just a show to media.

Jack: It's all media.

Cristina: All of it.

Jack: All of it.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Wow. So are we gonna go through my portal? Should we? No. Right?

Jack: Why?

Cristina: There's no benefit to that.

Jack: There's no benefit. It's just another universe.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: And they have nothing exciting over there.

Cristina: I guess not.

Jack: It's kind of all just speculation. What are we gonna do? Ruin their entire reality by taking information and going to prove it? That's crazy.

Cristina: That is crazy. I guess that'll be just like our backup in case something wrong. Like Mars.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: All else fails, we have a f****** portal. We could just run away over there. Yeah, but holy s***, we're gonna be useless.

Cristina: We're gonna be useless.

Jack: Yeah. There's no we. We are useless. Our skills don't apply in a world where there's nothing but people.

Cristina: Yeah, that is sad.

Jack: F*** are we gonna do? Just take down the government on our own? No, I guess we in theory could, but.

Cristina: But if we needed something from over there, we can take it. Yeah, easily that's what I'm thinking about.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. 100%. We could just rob them. What the f*** are they gonna do?

Cristina: Yeah. Like, what if we want their second. Their moon? We can have a second moon.

Jack: We could. My question is now. We didn't go through the portal. We know only one other person who went through the portal went through the portal. Ishmael.

Cristina: Oh, crap. Yes, he did.

Jack: Ish jumped in and he jumped back, and he's like, it's fine.

Cristina: Yeah. I guess he was telling the truth. Okay. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. We didn't get told where it opens to. We just know it goes to universe 3. Nobody's found this portal, like, wandered through it.

Cristina: Oh, in universe three?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That's.

Jack: How many people just wandering around here, like, what the f*** is happening? Because they walk through the portal.

Cristina: Whoa. I wonder.

Jack: Like, where is it? Is it in the same place behind your house, but over there, but over there?

Cristina: People from over there accidentally walking over here. Yeah.

Jack: But then they'd see something supernatural.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And in their world, supernatural doesn't exist. Doesn't exist. It's not just something natural. That's super. It's a myth.

Cristina: Mm. But maybe that's where all those stories. Because people still believe in things like UFO and stuff like that. They're stories. Even if no one else believes these people that go through these things, maybe they walked into our world, went back to tell their story.

Jack: But then why isn't there any. Like, why isn't there a bunch of people coming through the portal? Why didn't the person who came through be, like, I can prove it and show them the portal.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: Why aren't there people just coming through the portal?

Jack: First question. How long has a portal been around? Yeah, we know it just popped up in your backyard, but did it come from somewhere?

Cristina: Did it come from somewhere? That's weird. Yes. Did it come from somewhere? And what if no one from over there can go through the portal?

Jack: Then we.

Cristina: Because there's no proof that it could happen. We got to watch, I guess, the portal more.

Jack: No, because we got both Ish to go in and back.

Cristina: Yeah. Everyone from here can go through there.

Jack: Oh.

Cristina: But does it work the same for people from there? Because the people who are going there come back, but they started from here anyway.

Jack: Yes. Yes. Well, wouldn't it apply two ways that they can come and then go back?

Cristina: Maybe if they're just from here. I don't know.

Jack: You're saying they can't even see the portal?

Cristina: Yeah. Like, what if it's not because it makes sense in our world. The portal just makes sense like everything else makes sense.

Jack: Right, but why wouldn't they be able to see it? Rather than it just be a thing that doesn't make sense in their world?

Jack: That's. That's the part we don't understand. Right.

Cristina: Like how.

Jack: How has this not been explored by the other side?

Cristina: Yeah, I don't know.

Jack: That's a real question.

Cristina: We're really weird thing also.

Jack: Holy s***.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Prepared to be blown away by this one.

Cristina: More blown away.

Jack: More blown away. This is. This is. This one's crazy. And it's weird because I guess this one's backwards from how it is here. Right? We know factually that there are true conspiracy. There's the conspiracies over here again. Aren't just theories, they're series on how they function. Thus conspiracy theories. But it's a real conspiracy.

Cristina: Yeah, it's. These things are really happening.

Jack: These things are really happening over there. It's just theories. It's not a theory on how the conspiracy taking place. It's theory that the conspiracy is real.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Right. So over here we know factually what the birds are manufactured. Yes, they're real. Over there. That's a thing.

Cristina: They're real over there.

Jack: Yes, biological birds, but we have no birds.

Cristina: We just have creatures that look like birds though.

Jack: We don't have creatures. I mean, we have. Yeah, I guess there's flying things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: A dragon isn't a bird.

Cristina: Yeah. Mm.

Jack: They have birds. Like animals. They have animal birds.

Cristina: They have animal birds.

Jack: They have animal birds, not dinosaurs. Weird, weirdest part about this. This. Oh f***. This is gonna blow your mind. I'm telling you. This is the craziest s*** ever. They're birds.

Jack: Came from dinosaurs.

Cristina: That is weird. Dinosaurs got extinct and that was it. Yeah, but over there they turned into birds.

Jack: I don't even. I don't even know how to explain this one because it doesn't make sense through what process we know the whole planet got turned into lava for millions of years. Yeah, because of the giant rock that was sent by the aliens.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: No, no. Over there they just. They just became birds.

Cristina: They just became birds. That's so crazy. But we don't have birds. That's not cool. I mean, we have birds, but it's not natural.

Jack: Well, this takes us to what we were talking about, right, right at the beginning. We could always steal s*** from over there.

Cristina: Oh crap. These had conspiracy with birds too. Like they have theories on birds that.

Jack: Are no no, no. The conspiracy is over here. The birds were manufactured, okay? And then the government tried to convince us all that they were real. But our job was to uncover that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we know birds aren't real. Everybody knows birds aren't real.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We advertise it. Everybody knows. It gets put in newspaper, you watch tv, all everything tells you there are no birds. We have figured it out. We've let everybody know there's no birds. It's been fact over there, they just are.

Cristina: There just are.

Jack: Well, yes, that's kind of weird, but we can steal birds and maybe breed birds over here. On the flip side, perhaps birds can't survive over here. Thus, no birds. No, it doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense.

Cristina: They should.

Jack: The weird part isn't that there are no birds over here. After a giant meteor sent by the aliens destroyed Earth. The weird part is that they allegedly also, by the way, their meteor was not sent by aliens. Was just some rogue rock that somehow had f****** accuracy.

Cristina: And hit Earth.

Jack: Yeah. Without being aimed. Yeah, it just, you know, cruising by. But there's a planet, it's super small in all this vast empty space. I'mma hit that.

Cristina: How the f***. That is very strange.

Jack: That was not aimed. It just hit.

Cristina: It just hit.

Jack: It just hit. What the f***? Mad empty space everywhere. No, it had to hit the one f****** thing. The only place there's f****** life, according to them.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: What? Over here makes sense. The other thing with life was like, f*** that life aimed the thing.

Cristina: Alien wars. Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: Perfect logic. They want the f****** planet, but there's monsters roaming.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Over there. No. Rogue rock. Had the thought or something. I don't f****** know how the h*** it works. And it's like, hey, planet, let me go. Hit the planet. How? How the f*** did you hit the planet one? You picked one of the smaller objects in the f****** system. Are you kidding me? The weaker gravitational force. That's where you're aiming. So it wasn't gravity pulling it in. How the f*** are you aiming in that direction? Why didn't you just go to the star?

Cristina: Go to the star? Yeah. Why don't you go to the sun?

Jack: Who the f*** knows? This was a rock with thought or something.

Cristina: Yeah. It went straight to the Earth.

Jack: Straight and destroyed the Earth. And somehow birds happen.

Cristina: Whoa. That is weird. Yep, that is weird. We got to breed these birds, though. We got to steal them.

Jack: Yeah, the craziest. They think it's evolution, but it's a. Oh, my God.

Cristina: They think it's evolution. You don't think it's.

Jack: No, no, no, no. I'm about to blow your mind because I'm gonna just say one sentence. You can be like, what? Right? We know evolution is a fact, okay? Which explains why the f*** we have no birds. Because when you kill the things that would, in theory, turn into birds, what the f*** is gonna turn into a bird? Also, how is something the size of a building gonna turn into a f****** thing the size of my hand? Get the f*** out of here. But whatever. Logic.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: Over there, they say the birds came from the dinosaurs. Great. Whatever you want to tell yourselves, yes, they believe it. But let me tell you very directly. It's called the theory of evolution.

Cristina: It's called the theory of evolution because.

Jack: They'Re not even sure about that f****** thing. They're just faith in that, too. Everything is faith.

Cristina: That makes sense. Yes. A part of what you've taught me about everything else about there.

Jack: It's just all speculation.

Cristina: Speculation.

Jack: They don't know anything factually.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: They know there's birds. They don't know where the f*** the birds come from. For whatever reason. They think dinosaurs is the answer to that question.

Cristina: Yes. But they think. They don't know.

Jack: They think. They don't know.

Cristina: They don't know.

Jack: Well, no, they don't know.

Cristina: So they think they might. They don't know it.

Jack: They might be right. But who the f*** is. Why is it still a no? They don't know. Why is it still a theory? They don't know anything. They don't know anything. They don't know anything. Also, they don't have a way to tell the future over there.

Cristina: They don't have. Do we have a way? Oh, the quantum computer. They have a quantum computer though, right?

Jack: The quantum computers aren't that quantum. They're just really strong computers.

Cristina: Oh, yes.

Jack: There's a computer that runs more computations rather than be able to generate entire realities inside of it.

Cristina: Oh, that's lame.

Jack: Doesn't sound quantum. It just sounds like a really good computer.

Cristina: With time machines.

Jack: No, no, no. No time machines.

Cristina: What about their pyramids? They got pyramids over there.

Jack: They do have pyramids. Just crappy pyramids.

Cristina: No laser technology.

Jack: Just crappy dirt pyramids.

Cristina: What? Yeah.

Jack: Nothing over there does anything that's so boring. Yeah, they just got ruins and s*** everywhere. There's a bunch of places that are just abandoned and left behind and deserted. Apparently the Mayans died off over there.

Cristina: They got Trashzilla. Was that ever a problem over there?

Jack: What, trash zilla?

Cristina: Yeah. When we needed to solve the pollution problem and we made a monster by mistake.

Jack: Wasn't it Poopzilla?

Cristina: Poopzilla? Oh, yeah, yeah.

Jack: I mean, no, we did that over here. Why would that be over there?

Cristina: I don't know. Someone. I'm assuming there's a version of us doing things over there.

Jack: Oh, my God. There's a version of us over there. I'm pretty sure.

Cristina: Yeah. There has to be.

Jack: That's crazy, right? He's just wandering, confused over there. People always hearing about how he's on this show, that he has no f******.

Cristina: Clue exists the other you.

Jack: Yeah. This is fun. And actually fascinating detail.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Cloning isn't real over there. That's just the original.

Cristina: Whoa. The original you?

Jack: The original me. Well, that version or you.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because that's not you.

Jack: That's not me.

Cristina: That's not you.

Jack: That's not me.

Jack: But also, I'm technically not me.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: So, yeah, whatever. But, yeah, no, that's f****** weird.

Cristina: There is a you over there.

Jack: It has to be you over there, too.

Cristina: Yes. And people over there think the other us are doing a podcast.

Jack: Yes. And probably annoying these poor people.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're probably bothering the s*** out of these people all the time. Hey, I love your show. And they're like, what the are you. I get this every day. And I don't know who the h*** you are or what the f*** you're talking about.

Cristina: Whoa. All these poor version of us.

Jack: Yeah. That's crazy.

Cristina: Yes. But that is sad about the birds.

Jack: Yeah, that's kind of weird. Birds are a real thing over there, and they don't know where the birds come from. We can try to steal some birds and breed them over here. Maybe have real birds.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Courtesy of the Illuminati.

Cristina: Or maybe turn some of those birds into dinosaurs. If they really do come from dinosaurs.

Jack: They have dinosaur genes. We have the technology.

Cristina: We have the technology.

Jack: We have the tech. We could just take some birds and recreate whatever dinosaur they came from.

Cristina: Yes. Real life. Jurassic Park.

Jack: Oh, yes.

Cristina: Wait, did we have that before? We haven't had that yet.

Jack: No, no, no. We have zombies.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Zombie Park. I don't know how the f***. Zombies are not a thing over there. It doesn't make sense. They have all the parts, too. Like, rabies is still real over there. Yeah, Cordyceps are real over there. Being braindead is a thing over there. Having your higher functions be shattered and keeping your low, all of that is a thing of. I don't know how. F***. They Got no zombies.

Cristina: But Jesus is a real thing over there, right? He has to be real.

Jack: Well, no, he falls under speculation as well.

Cristina: And him being a vampire, that's gotta be popular.

Jack: Well, they don't have vampires.

Cristina: Oh, yes. They don't have vampires. Yes, yes.

Jack: They have nothing that isn't human or animal. Ah, there's nothing else.

Cristina: There's nothing else. There's nothing else.

Jack: Like factually, at least. You can't factually prove anything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If there is a God. Wow. Are they elusive. We have teams out there just checking. S***.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They don't know if there's such a thing as they. People theorize. Everything is a. Everything is a theory.

Cristina: Everything is a theory. That's so ridiculous.

Jack: Everything is a theory.

Cristina: Wow. It's so strange how different they are from us.

Jack: Yeah, it really is. It's a fascinating, complicated thing. There's no way to. For us to find out because we didn't really take the time. But we know that at least Reptilian. There's other creatures in universe too. I mean, we can't. We can't check records or anything because there's no Earth left. Because Planet X destroyed the f*** out of that.

Cristina: Actually, the lizards were going over there and coming back and stuff.

Jack: Yes, we know they come from that side.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Like there's something other than. Or. Well, yeah, something other than human. Even if there's no longer any humans over there. Yeah, but actually, we don't even have a way over there anymore. No, because the exit to the portal is destroyed.

Cristina: Well, we brought back Mars.

Jack: Yeah, because Planet X destroyed Earth.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: And the inside of that Earth also had the other side of the portal that's inside of our Earth.

Cristina: Yeah, so it probably just leads into space now.

Jack: No, there's no exit. The exit was destroyed.

Cristina: Exit was destroyed.

Jack: Okay, so it just doesn't go anywhere. It's not a portal. It's just a machine that doesn't function.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. So we know that had other things. I don't know why Universe 3 has nothing. It's weird. It's legitimately odd.

Cristina: It's like that cartoon that we were talking about before. Not cartoon, anime. That we were trying to figure out how it fits with everything else. True. Full Metal Alchemist.

Jack: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Where one has magic and one has technology.

Jack: Yes, yes. What's actually. And also, I just remembered that the Reptilians are actually from Mars. They are from Mars.

Cristina: Our Mars are their. Mars.

Jack: They're Mars.

Cristina: I mean, two. Yeah. Okay.

Jack: They're Mars. They're from their Mars.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because they come from universe, too.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so that's a good example of how, even if it's a different universe, there are similarities. Over here, we had the cockroach people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: On Mars.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: Over there, they had the Reptilians on Mars.

Cristina: Okay, but so then, should there be something on Universe 3, Mars, or there's nothing in there?

Jack: Well, we don't know.

Cristina: We don't know.

Jack: Oh, we need to send. Not just a team over there, but we need to send them with rocket technology to get to that Mars.

Cristina: Yes. There has to be something there.

Jack: They have never gone to Mars. That's something they're now achieving. They don't have interstellar travel as far as the humans on that planet know. They've only traveled as far as their f****** moon.

Cristina: Their moon is a spaceship, though.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Well, actually, I don't know. I mean, the answer to every question you'll ever have is don't know. They don't know anything.

Cristina: Oh, yes. They don't know anything.

Jack: The answer to everything. It doesn't matter what your question is.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They don't f****** know. They don't know.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: If you have a thought.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And you're gonna say it. The answer is they don't know. They don't know. They have no clue.

Cristina: That's shocking.

Jack: Yeah. Everything is a theory. Do they Theory? Is it theory? All of the theory. It's all theory. They don't know crap about anything.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: They're so different. I don't know.

Jack: They're so different. It's really, really weird. So they're actually trying to get to Mars actively? Like, haven't you figured out a warp drive yet? The f*** are you talking about? How have you not been. The Mars how? I don't know. They have an Elon Musk, and he's still doing all the Elon Musk things, except he hasn't gotten there, colonized Mars and established an interstellar system yet. He's way slower over there.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah. By 21. Elon Musk over here had already established everything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Right now we're just talking about how overpowered neural link is and the features that are gonna. We're not talking about. Well, how are we gonna put. No. You know. Across the galaxy, travel is complicated. Across the universe, travel is complicated. The next star, we could hit that s*** in a couple of minutes.

Cristina: Yeah, man. So their technology. Whoa. Their technology isn't out of his fence.

Jack: No. Their technology is really outdated. And for whatever reason, there's just no. Humans are the highest life form. Humans are the highest life form.

Cristina: Ah. That's probably why they're behind, right?

Jack: That's probably why they're behind.

Cristina: Well, because we had so much help. So much help to get as far as we have. Like, they.

Jack: Oh, my God. You know, they haven't fixed the abortion problem.

Cristina: They just need to listen to our episode.

Jack: They have.

Cristina: Oh, yes, they have. They should have. We have the solution. It works. We're fine over here with our superhumans.

Jack: Yeah, subhumans.

Cristina: Subhumans. They're pretty super. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. But no, they're so garbage. It's fine. Yeah, they're obedient garbage. It's cool. And that's all that matters. But, yeah. So that's. That's the crazy reveal for you guys. Apparently, we don't exist in the same universe as you.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: That's weird.

Cristina: That is weird.

Jack: We're talking to the. See, I'm talking to you about how astounding it is, but to them, it's just f****** normal. It's just everything I've just said. It's like, duh. You guys are idiots.

Cristina: So their China isn't working with America to make subhumans yet?

Jack: Nope, nope, nope. Never happened. Nope. Wow, that's crazy, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The queen is way underpowered over there. Elon Musk is way underpowered over there.

Cristina: Whoa. They don't have chimeras either. Then that has to be not real, too, right?

Jack: Chimeras are not real. Well, there's no way to know.

Cristina: Oh, there's. Of course. Because. Yeah.

Jack: No.

Cristina: No answers. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. No matter what.

Cristina: There's no way to know.

Jack: You don't know.

Cristina: Whoa. What a weird. How do you live in that type of life? Like, it's so weird. You don't know nothing.

Jack: Dan. Yo. For real. No. The craziest part is they're okay with not questioning things.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah. So over here, we have people who trap themselves in sort of echo chambers of their own thoughts and surround themselves by people who are equal.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But then we have people like us, whose entire purpose is to break that consistency. Over there. That's not a thing. They're just okay with trapping each other in each other's bubbles. And, like. Well, I only surround myself with I will stop being your friend if you have a different belief. That's just a thing that happens over there.

Cristina: But there's nothing like this over there. Well, we're over there, so we're helping. Hopefully, at least in that way, opening their minds.

Jack: But we've been talking they think we're fake crap. We've been talking only about our f****** world.

Cristina: Yes, yes. Still, hopefully some of it is useful, even if it's all nonsense.

Jack: Yeah. They should at least think of it as like a fiction that's informative. Right. At least there's some perspective. But no, because they think it's fiction, it's immediately tossed out. What? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ignorance is God over there.

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: Like, that's the real God.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Factually, ignorance is omniscient over there.

Cristina: That is so crazy. That is so crazy.

Jack: Yeah, they're all idiots. Everybody. Every f****** one hearing this exists in a. I don't know if actually. Fair enough. I don't know if the people listening to this, but the world they come from.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Is based on ignorance.

Cristina: That's why you gotta tell everyone you know about our show.

Jack: Yeah. It's kind of the point of this episode, specifically, like tell more people. Yes, because.

Cristina: Because answers.

Jack: Yeah. We at least perspectives like, look, we're not from there. I get it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I get we're not from there. We're just. What, gonna. You could hear how entertaining our place is as opposed to your garbage.

Cristina: Yeah, we'll give you some of our. Our birds and we'll get some of your birds.

Jack: Give them some robot birds.

Cristina: Yeah, why not? That's a fair trade.

Jack: That's a fair trade, man. That's f****** nuts. That's just a theory over there too. They have lit. You could prove you could just kill a bird, open it and look at it. Yeah, organs. They still not sure if birds are real.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Again? Even the facts are questioned over there.

Cristina: Even the facts are questioned.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Science. You can question science over there. You can question the scientific method after it's been proven over and over and over and over and over by a bunch of different people actively trying to disprove it. They're still like the flat Earthers over there. They don't use any form of science to do anything.

Cristina: What do they do?

Jack: Nothing. They just question it. And people end up believing the questions.

Cristina: They just question it.

Jack: They just question it. They're like, is it flat, though? And then like, oh, is it flat though? And it's like, yes, we. We proved it was round. With math, we could just f****** lift off the planet. Look down. Yeah, but no, no, that was. That was a faked. Fake footage. Yeah. Even when there is a fact, they will cast. Cast out on it.

Cristina: I guess that's. You could do that with anything. I guess that's why they End up in their situation where no one believes anything.

Jack: Nobody. But, well, they began where nobody believes anything. Nothing has changed.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Their entire history has been of people questioning even the facts. Yeah, they question everything without exception. Everything is up in the air. There's nothing that's factual, even though they.

Cristina: Have nothing mythical happening or nothing magical.

Jack: Yeah, they'll still question it. It's happening. I just haven't seen it.

Cristina: Interesting. Wow. Adrenochrome is, though.

Jack: It is not. There's no proof that there's adrenochrome over there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Everything, all of it, 100% nothing. It doesn't matter what question you have. Like I said, it's all up in the air.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Yeah. So don't ask questions of. Is there? No, they don't know.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If there is, they don't know. No matter what you ask, is there? They don't know. The answer will be they don't know every time. Regardless of.

Cristina: That's crazy, because there's a portal. So I feel like something must have walked over there. Something must have walked from there to here.

Jack: The portal, as far as we know, at least in your backyard, has only been around for around six years, max.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Actually, probably less about five years. How much crap goes into your backyard at random? Demons falling. Yeah. Like, what are the odds?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Was it even in our universe, or at least on this planet before? We have no idea. It just popped up.

Cristina: It just popped up. Yep.

Jack: There's absolutely no greater question now because now we know where it goes. We still have no idea where the f*** it came from.

Cristina: We have no idea.

Jack: Why is there a wormhole from your backyard to Universe three?

Cristina: Yeah. How did the lizard people, I guess, get theirs from 2 to 1 to 2? Like, did theirs just appear out of nowhere? Did they build it? Or was it just something like my, like, mines in my backyard? Like.

Jack: Well, they built theirs.

Cristina: They definitely.

Jack: It's science, it's technology, but mine is just. It's just like a rip, just a portal.

Cristina: It's just natural that happened there.

Jack: We think it's natural. That portal to us is like everything in universe three. All we got are theories.

Cristina: Yeah, man. Man. And where would we find the answers? I doubt the answers are in universe three.

Jack: Yeah, they're not. But I don't know what we could do to test out the portal. Right.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because we can either go through the portal, and the portal looks like it enters from every direction, so you can walk around the portal to the other side, and it's still the way into the portal.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's not like you walk around and well, this side is blank. There's no. It's just a 3D portal. It's like a black hole. The entrances, every side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So like what the f*** can we do? Because we walk in, we just walk out on that side. So there's nothing we could do to test it, at least coming in contact with it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: There's no scan we could do that wouldn't just read the other side.

Cristina: So there's gotta be something else, something. I don't know. Could we make a portal? We can. Or at least the lizard people can make a portal.

Jack: Well, here's an interesting idea, right? This is a theory of mine. Did the portal show up before or after we destroyed Earth and Universe Two?

Jack: I don't remember the order of events, that's true.

Cristina: But also have another question of whether it happened. Because if it. If it came after that, or say it came before that, did it at least. What about when you were messing? Not you, but version of you was messing with time?

Jack: God d***. We some. It's our fault. Isn't that that portal? Because it doesn't matter at this point if it's because of the time machine. It doesn't matter if it happened before or after, because it's a product of f****** with time. Yeah, but on the flip side, this doesn't. It can't be. It can't be. It couldn't be the time machine. Because the time machine is focused entirely on this timeline. Everything took place here, moved forward and back here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which means if it's something we did, it had to be destroying Earth 2.

Cristina: Unless it was there before that. I feel like it was.

Jack: If it was, then it could even.

Cristina: Have been at the same moment. It could have been right before destroying. Like it could have.

Jack: Well, no, no, no. Listen to me. Listen to me. Listen to me very carefully. It is completely possible that it is a result of that. But because we ripped through space time, that happens to be one thing. The portal showed up in the past. So the portal shows up before the event that caused the portal to show up. But it's because space and time are tied.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So we tore time. I mean, we tore space. Yes, by destroying a portal that was linked in two different points in space. Yeah, but as a result, we also have to break the time associated with that. And where did the portal show up? On the same planet that had an already existing portal.

Cristina: Yes. So it might have been. Whoa.

Jack: And the portal, the. The potential of that portal that now doesn't go anywhere. Caused a time space or space time rip that sends us from universe one to three instead of universe one to two. That is my theory.

Cristina: That's a good theory. Then we should not mess with three. Even if we need their moon, we.

Jack: Shouldn'T do that because we don't know what other problems we might cause.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: At least with the time machine, we're only affecting our time.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And we can kind of measure that. You go back in time and you alter something, a domino effect happens. We can kind of counteract things. In fact, that was the original use of it to manage a future.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we understand how the time machine works. Clearly. If this is the way this happened, I mean, obviously we have no idea how most of. Like, we're still torturing a bunch of them up there just to get more information about their tech. But their tech isn't even the best tech because we're still assuming that the Cat People aren't using magic.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that that's just hyper advanced technology. That looks like magic.

Cristina: Mm. Definitely. We gotta figure that out. But we still have to get to where. Where are they at?

Jack: They're in the Great Void.

Cristina: The Great Void.

Jack: I mean, we already sent people out there. This is a matter of waiting for them to come back.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now they could totally be dead over there too. I don't f****** know. Well, no. Well, yeah, they don't come in like within a year or something. Whatever. Yeah, but that's what they're there for, right? Expendable garbage. Yeah. So the best result of that would be we successfully capture some of them and then they might have a better grasp on space, time and temporal problems.

Cristina: The Cat People.

Jack: The Cat People. Their technology is so advanced, they can.

Cristina: Solve some of our problems. Okay.

Jack: Can solve some of these problems. They could maybe at least confirm the cause of the wormhole in your backyard.

Cristina: Yeah. And how we can get our messages.

Jack: To our own people because the distortion that that's causing is so massive. That's crazy.

Cristina: That is crazy.

Jack: So all our listeners are from Universe 3 and have been from Universe 3 this entire time, so. Hi, guys. We thought you were here.

Cristina: Boring people.

Jack: Yeah, their f****** universe is so boring. Then again, the flip side is over here, everything is tangible. Over there, they have the most interesting thing, which is everything is in their head. They can imagine anything and doesn't have to be real because everything is imaginary.

Cristina: Everything is imaginary.

Jack: So you can talk about anything under any scope, under any degree, because it's all speculation.

Cristina: That's so cool. You know, What? This reminds me of South Park. I don't know. Just the kids have this weird. Everything is like that too, in that town. Like it's our imagination. But then our world is like when the imagination world came into. Into the real life.

Jack: Yes, that's us. Yes. 100%. 100%. That's exactly what it is. When Imagination Land was open to the public.

Cristina: Yes. What?

Jack: Yeah. Interesting. That's actually really cool. You're totally right. I wonder if they got south park over there.

Cristina: They have to have south park over there. Whoa.

Jack: What if they don't? I'd be crazy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then what the f*** do they have?

Cristina: Hmm?

Jack: North Park.

Cristina: The f***? Whoa.

Jack: North Drive.

Cristina: North Drive?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That's the new.

Jack: It's the opposite of South Park. It's North Drive. They probably got like, North Drive.

Cristina: Well, I'm sure at least some things are the same. They have to South Park. They got Supernatural, right?

Jack: They got homies, dude.

Cristina: Homie, dude.

Jack: Yeah. As opposed to Family Guy. They just got homies dude. Because he's not about family. He's about the homies. And he's also not a guy. He's the dude. Homies, dude. Homies, man.

Cristina: Homies, man.

Jack: Oh, that sounds cooler. Homies, man.

Cristina: Kind of gay.

Jack: There's a little bit of gay going on there.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. No, let's hope that they have Family Guy. I don't know what would be American Dad, Afghanistan Mom.

Jack: Can you imagine? That's probably. Man, that's crazy.

Cristina: Imagining what they're saying.

Jack: Afghanistan Mom. Their media has to be weird. And then they also have interlaced with their media. Us. Our media. Yeah, they're just getting signals from us because f****** giant temporal ripper. What a f*** is causing sending our s*** out there?

Cristina: So it's possible they got south park, even if it's from us.

Jack: Holy s***. Holy s***. You're right. Yeah, you're right. We have south park and everything we broadcast lands on them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Holy s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They have to have south park and they have to have Family Guy.

Cristina: They have to. Yeah.

Jack: Oh, s***, that's really cool. But then they also have their version of the things. So they must simultaneously have south park and have North Drive.

Cristina: North Drive. Yes. Yep.

Jack: Okay. That being said, you know, funny jokes and everything aside, I wonder if over there, the driveway you drive on and the parkway is where you park. Like, do they go home onto the parkway and leave the car there and walk inside their house? And then when they're driving on the street and they're like, oh, I gotta go faster. They Hop on the driveway where you can do 60 miles per hour, you know?

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: That, like. Is that our weird thing? Yeah. Is that our weird thing? And they're like, what you'd expect would be normal.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because what the f*** is the explanation of our f****** glitch over here with that one?

Cristina: Wait, which one is ours called. Is that the way we're calling it? Or that's the way you're thinking they're calling it?

Jack: No, I'm thinking that they drive on the driveway and they park on the parkway.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Because we, for whatever f****** reason, park on the driveway and drive on the parkway.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So I'm thinking maybe that's one of those things that makes sense over there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Doesn't over here.

Jack: Who knows?

Cristina: Who knows?

Jack: The potentials are infinite. This is just fascinating to know. There's an entire another universe that is so.

Cristina: Yeah, man. Let's contact ourselves.

Jack: No, that's probably a problem.

Cristina: That's probably a problem. Why?

Jack: Why would we contact ourselves?

Cristina: I don't know. For the fun of it.

Jack: How would we even contact ourselves?

Cristina: We can go through the portal, Right?

Jack: So we get over there and then.

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know.

Jack: We'll find out without the Illuminati being a thing over there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And there being no need to broadcast the news that's taking place. That's just the guy. Which means there's nothing significant about him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which means he's impossible to find.

Cristina: But he needs to know that people are talking about him. As the host of this show, he should know about this show so he would not be confused.

Jack: That that would mean he has to be listening to news podcasts over there. He has to be the type of guy who's into news podcasts over there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. Podcasts are not a popular medium over there either. Oh, it's not like over here that the Globe gets it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Over there, it's like, I don't know, f****** kids or some s*** are listening.

Cristina: What? Kids are listening to us?

Jack: Yeah. Chances are a lot of kids are listening to us.

Cristina: That's very confusing.

Jack: Yeah. And also highly inappropriate.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But it's likely, very likely happening. Like, maybe half of everybody listening is a kid. Half could be. I have no idea.

Cristina: And we're telling these kids to talk to strangers.

Jack: Yes. They're the cherry on top of all of these things, which is going to open a new possibility if we so feel inclined to this show, because they're already getting our news, which kind of means f****** nothing to them. I guess we did establish the subhumans that were over there. Checking and doing things. Took enough technology and with the technology that already exists to have a single TV on our side, be able to catch the broadcast from their TVs. Any signal, any radio signal they send for their. And actual radio stations and their Internet. So you have access to their media to see what's happening over there. So we can check up on their world and perhaps in the future even talk about it. New element to the show.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Being able to talk about worldwide, there's.

Cristina: No creatures and that's not gonna be fun.

Jack: But, you know, it's their world.

Cristina: I guess we can compare and contrast what's going on over here to what's going on over there.

Jack: That's kind of badass. Yes. Yeah, that's pretty awesome.

Cristina: Like the day when Trump fights Biden. What's gonna be happening over there?

Jack: That's an interesting question. That's really interesting. But on the flip side, there's a added benefit to this screen that we don't have over here.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Because over here people are actual people. There's nothing we could do. But over there, people are not people who are over here, we can quantify them into their potential energy. So our TV can watch anybody we choose. And in theory, if we could find out what the f*** the name of the person we're talking about is in the case that you want to know what we are doing, if they share our names, then we can find out what the f*** they're doing.

Cristina: Oh, we can spy on ourselves.

Jack: We can spy on ourselves. And there'd be no reason to interact with them.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. I guess that's a safer choice.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It probably won't work for a non existing organization.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But they're probably doing their own thing.

Cristina: Mm. Okay. Awesome.

Jack: Yeah. Pretty cool, right?

Cristina: Gonna be interesting. What will happen in the future.

Jack: What happened in the future? What things are. So the tables are kind of turned. Right. Because people on our side know the things that are happening and then we talk and share our opinions to them. But you guys have just been hearing something you thought was fiction.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And now you might. Again, this is not for sure, but you might get to see us be the learners of what's happening on your end. Rather than being us being the teacher, we might just watch your side and be the students.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Maybe there's something to learn from them.

Jack: There probably is. Just not the things that are interesting over here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they must. There must be something that makes that place interesting.

Cristina: Yeah. You Just don't know it at the moment.

Jack: Exactly.

Cristina: Because right now they seem boring, but okay.

Jack: Yeah, it's pretty weird, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's fascinating though.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I am curious to find out. Like, I don't want to interact with the version of me that exists over there, but I'd be curious to see what they do. What they do for a living.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Same thing with you. See what?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The other you does.

Cristina: Just out of curiosity, man.

Jack: Yeah, but it's also not us.

Cristina: I know.

Jack: It's like, who the f*** gives a s***?

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, it's kind of weird. Yeah, I mean, it's an interesting dilemma. Anyways, look, that. The point here is that. Hi, guys. We didn't know you existed. We thought we were talking to our own people the whole time, so. Yeah. Yeah, you guys are. Now, I say everybody listening is from over there, but that's wrong because we still get our broadcasts. It's just all our broadcasts are sent over there too. We still get all our broadcasts.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But that's the reason we had no f****** clue they're listening to us. Yeah, and that's weird.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, they could comment on our podcast of where they're from.

Jack: I think so. I think we land on there again. All the broadcasts happen to land on all their things. So we're on their Internet and they probably thought we were in their world as a result. Yeah, but like a fiction show.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Meanwhile, no, we put that on our Internet. Something just broke reality. And so you're hearing us right now. Reality's f****** broken.

Cristina: And it's part of my portal, though.

Jack: Your portal is causing some temporal rift that is sending all our waves not only everywhere here, but over there. So that's the gist of it.

Cristina: That is crazy. Although I guess none of them will believe any of this.

Jack: Yeah, pretty much. Until we start talking about their world.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: I mean, no. Cuz they'll still gonna think that this portion was fiction.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah, I guess there's no real way to fix that issue.

Cristina: No, but whatever.

Jack: They'll be more involved once it's about things that are happening to them. Right.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But then some of the things do happen over there.

Cristina: Like what?

Jack: Like the Insurrection.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. And Covid is the thing over there.

Jack: Covid is a thing over there. But the toilet paper doesn't actually protect you against it. That's weird. Yeah, That's a weird one, huh?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Toilet paper has no protection to Covid over there.

Cristina: Okay. What?

Jack: They did steal all the toilet paper, though.

Cristina: Why did they Steal all the old toilet paper. It wasn't protected, though.

Jack: Wait for it, wait for it. Wait for it. They don't know. It's all speculation.

Cristina: To all their problems.

Jack: Yes. Is they don't know. They don't know the solution to everything is they don't know why, they don't know who, they don't know where, they don't know when, they don't know.

Cristina: But they stole the toilet paper.

Jack: Yes. Now, here's an interesting point, right? And I believe this might also be happening. The temporal rift is maybe. S***. S***. Okay, fair enough. Maybe the versions of us on that side are somehow connected to the versions of us on this side. And so people racing to get toilet paper over here, because it protects against Covid, somehow triggered people on that side to go. Because they have the same thought, or not the same thought. Some feeling told them, yeah, to go steal all the toilet paper. And they did. Except it doesn't protect them against anything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Over here, if you have toilet paper, you can't catch COVID Whoa. So there might be some actual effect that. Again, we need the cat people. We need somebody with technology so advanced, maybe they can figure it out. If they can't figure it out, I have no clue what to do.

Cristina: But that sound. That is so interesting because how many things are like that?

Jack: How many things are like that? Exactly. Another thing would be if we have all these mythical creatures on our end. But they are mythological, as in narratives told. And then we can go find them based on the myth or focus around. But over there, their myth, as in not true. Yeah, Maybe their origin story comes from this side. But the problem is those things have been around through all of history, even for them. Except it's not real over there. So I guess that's wrong. I was thinking, like, maybe our thoughts on these creatures and having seen them triggered them to think and have the feeling all this. But the portal's only been around for about five years.

Cristina: Yeah, but somehow they. There's still. There might be some connection between our two.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Worlds.

Jack: Yes. Well, I'm thinking. Well, maybe not.

Cristina: It's their imagination. It is the imagination thing. Somehow it's related.

Jack: Yes, but the question is, is that related? Or does this start at the portal?

Cristina: Does it start.

Jack: That's the question. Is the wormhole in your backyard the cause? If so. If so, then it has to be connected to the hole being formed, to the portal being formed, to the wormhole being there. And that started about five years ago. Now, it is possible that if the destruction of Earth 2 and the wormhole that existed at the center of the Earth affected spacetime throughout reality as a whole. And the portal showed up as a result. Even if it happened, if it happened after the portal showed up, and the portal showed up as a result of an event that took place in the future, which is a whole f****** can of worms on its own.

Cristina: Yes, what a mess.

Jack: Yeah, what a f****** mess. But whatever.

Cristina: Time travel.

Jack: Yeah, time travel is f*****. It is what it is. But the real problem would be that if this event could affect the past. Has this event always been happening and always been affecting the past?

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: And as a result, yes. In fact, every thought we've had has influenced people over there. Thus even our mythological creatures that are real over here.

Cristina: It's just imaginary creatures over there that.

Jack: They've only had those thoughts because we've seen them. And so we are connected.

Cristina: We are connected, man. Yes.

Jack: Because the toilet paper thing is weird.

Cristina: It is weird.

Jack: They just took it for no reason. It's not even a story. It's a fact.

Cristina: All the things we know here is imaginary over there.

Jack: Yes, they've mentioned all of them. There's no reason they would have all exactly the same things.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So they must be getting it from somewhere that's interesting. Something for us to dissect in the future.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, man. I'm sure the portal, the origin of this portal is really what's important, right?

Jack: Yes, that's really what we need to focus on. But anyways, so. Yeah. Hi, guys. You guys. Hi. You good? You dudes, people, Ladies, gentlemen, whatever the f*** you guys refer to yourself over there. Do you guys have a gender problem out there too? Whatever. Anyways, I know you got. If you don't. That's just the funniest s*** that they have been laughing at us forever.

Cristina: The gender problem.

Jack: The gender problem. If they don't have the gender problem over there, they are dying thinking this is some ridiculous made up bullshit. No s*** people. We actually have people going by all sorts of s***, including Zed and Demon. That's. And God, this is. All of that is real. This is all that's really, really happening over here. And it might sound. I know it sounds ridiculous and like a fiction that this would be something that happens in the. You know, it's happening.

Cristina: It's happening here at least.

Jack: It's happening here at least. And that's crazy.

Cristina: Mm. So, yeah, we'll see if we. With this tv. We get this TV to see over there. We'll see.

Jack: We're gonna tune in heavily.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And see what's going on.

Cristina: Yeah. Because we have things in common for sure.

Jack: Yes. And we do have an access point. It is a matter of we. Their investigations will happen. We'll figure it out. Maybe you guys will see us one day. Live shows in Universe three. How weird.

Cristina: That makes more sense. No.

Jack: Yeah, that's f****** weird. Anyways, so, yeah, you guys enjoyed what you heard here, and you want to learn more about what's happening in our universe, you can go check all those things out at the official website. Greatthoughts.info on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or anywhere you get your podcast, which astounds me that you guys have all exactly the same things.

Cristina: That is so crazy.

Jack: Do they not know where Apple Podcasts comes from? And they say, oh, it's a website. We just get our podcast from the website. But it's like, all over here. And they don't have that over there.

Cristina: They have to have that over there.

Jack: Well, they have it because we're sending it over there.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. I don't know.

Jack: There's nobody over there who did it. But who the f*** knows a billionaire.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Who just knows a billionaire? So it's like, well, that billionaire who we hear about, because they get all our media, so even when we're reporting on a billionaire, they think that's over there.

Cristina: Well, we know they have the same Elon Musk. Sort of.

Jack: Yes, but they don't know they're Elon Musk the way we do. Yeah, that's just a person on their screen. But, like, do they have a Jeff Bezos or are they looking at ours?

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Interesting. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok @justcombopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to rate and review the show. And leave us a message about. Leave us some. Definitely now. It's important. Leave us some reviews. Talk to us.

Cristina: Let us know what's happening over there, what we got right and what we got wrong.

Jack: Yeah, like perfect. Perfect.

Cristina: What exactly is different?

Jack: And like, subscribe if you want to be filled in on the crap happening over here, because apparently it's not happening over there.

Cristina: I let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Which has always been important.

Jack: It's always been important. More so after this revelation.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Tell everybody.

Cristina: Tell everyone this shocking news.

Jack: Yeah. Maybe they'll believe it. If not, eventually one day it might be proven, and then you could see us in person. We'll see.

Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. Or maybe Maybe his God. His God? His father did it with a Titan and made him. I don't know.

Jack: Well, no, there was a thing that made the Titans. There was an omniscient, all present God thing.

Cristina: Big bang theory of their own.

Jack: This is interesting. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. So Zeus is like way down the totem pole when it comes to God. Like, he is nowhere near omniscient. No, he is very specifically a demigod. He's the God of a God of.

Cristina: A God, but many gods, I guess.

Jack: Yes, I think Jehovah and Zeus are equal.

Cristina: What's your proof?

Jack: Not only that, I would argue that Jehovah, if not related to Zeus, is.

Cristina: Zeus just as he took a new name.

Jack: It could be.

Cristina: Or it's translated different from other people. Like, is it the same people?

Jack: Crazy thought. Let's assume the Old Testament is not the first book, not a translation, that it's literally not the first part, and through translation we landed at Jehovah.

Cristina: Mm. But then whatever the first part is just isn't around anymore.

Jack: I guess we just consider it some whole other s***. But maybe there's a literal line connecting Old Testament and Greek scripture.

Cristina: Probably.

Jack: That'd be fascinating because they're either the same thing or brothers. Because alternatively, we could say that they are the same person, but not literally the same person. Rather, we're calling two different people the same thing, saying Old Testament and New Testament, when in reality Old Testament wasn't the Jehovah we know from the New Testament. It was Zeus then.

Cristina: Zeus, huh? But the thing is, like, why did he tell them? I guess that he made all the everything after his parents, like his parents made him. Then he erased all that so that he could say he made it all.

Jack: Maybe.

Cristina: No, I don't know. I guess that could be. Who knows how they work? They're angry people.

Jack: Yeah. Who knows how they function? Who knows how any of this works out?

Cristina: Yeah, I wish I knew more of their stories. Like there must be things that connect, but we don't know. We don't know any of those stories.

Jack: Yeah, it's very fascinating stuff. Lost Creek gods.

Cristina: Yeah. If we knew more about the archangels, that would be so helpful though.

Jack: Yeah, there's just very little information on them. There's pretty much nothing to draw from relative to all that stuff. It would require a lot of research to get to the bottom of how they connect from one to the other.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Wubba dubba dub. Dubba dub.

Cristina: Good morning. Good night. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas. Produced by Lynn Taylor and Published by Great dots.info Art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister, with social media managed by Amber Black.

May 29, 2021

JCP 5.05 Hollow9ine Network & Video Games

May 29, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

Fan favorite guest Dave the Klone returns to discuss everything from the state of the gaming industry, the advancements of technology and Neurolink, to the construct of reality, reincarnation and more!

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Topics Discussed:

Bob Ross Rep Sheet
Video Games
Twitch Viewers
Media Consumption
Annual Games
The Construct of Reality
Neurolink
The Mourning VR Program
Robot Apocalypse
Advanced Technology
Horizon: Zero Dawn
Reincarnation
Cosmic Background Radiation
The Size of Atoms
Death, Thanos and Deadpool

Dave's Links:

Website - https://Hollow9ine.Podomatic.com

Instagram - @the_hollow9ine_network

Twitter - @hollow9inecast

Facebook - @Hollow9ineNetwork

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

July 11, 2020

Rambling 95: Virtual Reality Dating

July 11, 2020/ GreyThoughts.Info

The Just Conversation Podcast, Virtual Reality, Dating, Romantic

Why doesn’t anyone want to use Virtual Reality dating programs? Lets unpack it on this episode of Just Conversation.

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Topics Discussed

Dating Apps
The Magic of Chance
Pickup Lines
How to Fall In Love
Facebook Dating
Online Characters

Our Links

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

May 16, 2020

Rambling 89: Adrenochrome Conspiracy 2: God's Fuel

May 16, 2020/ GreyThoughts.Info

Adrenochrome, Conspiracy Theory, Elites, Evil, Reptilian, Flat Earth, Alien, Murder, War, Corruption, Government, 9/11, Blood, Vile, Podcast, Discussion

How does Adrenochrome relate to God?

Unpacking God’s relationship to the Adrenochrome Conspiracy.

Story:
Months after discovering the true use of the Adrenochrome cocktail, the clone duo have a revelation connecting the cocktail directly to God and the ever changing state of the world. Pursuing this information leads the two to an astounding fact about God, higher dimensions and the nature of human sacrifices, The Tree of Knowledge and more much. An episode that will forever change the lives of our clones. All that and more on this episode of Just Conversation.

+ Episode Details

Unpacking God’s relationship to the Adrenochrome Conspiracy.

Story: Months after discovering the true use of the Adrenochrome cocktail, the clone duo have a revelation connecting the cocktail directly to God and the ever changing state of the world. Pursuing this information leads the two to an astounding fact about God, higher dimensions and the nature of human sacrifices, The Tree of Knowledge and more much. An episode that will forever change the lives of our clones. All that and more on this episode of Just Conversation.

Remember to leaves us a rating wherever you listen to podcasts!

Topics Discussed:

God
Sacrificial Fuel
Fear
The God Battery
Fear Sustained Reality
Mass Tragedies
Increasing Energy Usage
Plagues and Viruses
Coronavirus
Political Fears
Pending War
The Fear of Change
God’s Recovery
Punishing Angels
The Higher System

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast