Rambling 252: The Fragarach
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Are there other weapons like Excalibur or the magic bow out in the world? Who is making them? For what purpose? The duo continue their search into magical fairy killing weaponry that’s existed throughout history. What they discover finally starts to shine some light on questions they have wondered the answer to for years!
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Topics Discussed:
- The Fragarach
- Magical Weapons
- Nemedians
- The Fir Bolg
- Tautha De Danann
- Fairy Trees
- Manannan
- Fomorians
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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.
Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.
Jack: And this is a show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today, on this most special of episodes, where we talk about some extremely unique, beautiful, deep, profound topic that dives deep into human nature and changes how we interact with each other as humans with a lot of technologic innovation and.
Cristina: What?
Jack: I don't know, I'm just throwing a bunch of buzzwords out there.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And hoping that it strings together into a coherent, very exciting sentence. How was I doing?
Cristina: You lost me at the end.
Jack: Yeah. Because. Yeah, man, it doesn't even make sense, right. When you have just a bunch of descriptors back to back to back without just getting to it. It's like, what? Well, what was it you were commenting on again? I forgot.
Cristina: What are you commenting on?
Jack: I have no idea.
Cristina: And.
Jack: Oh, on the absurd and crazy thoughts and whatnot and their absurdity and craziness and how much more. How much more absurd and crazy it is today than any other day. Even if I've said this every other day.
Cristina: How is it more crazy?
Jack: It's always more crazy.
Cristina: I don't know. I feel like we, we went to peak crazy when we were living on a zombie filled island with toilet paper.
Jack: That was, that was pretty, pretty up there. I remember those days. That was crazy.
Cristina: What's today about? What's today about?
Jack: Today is about. No, it's not even that crazy. Today is about. Well, we've been looking at a bunch of stuff, like things and junk. You know how we do.
Cristina: Like swords?
Jack: Yeah, literally like swords. Excalibur. But not just that. Focusing on things. And we actually in focusing, landed at fairies. Looking to see some fairies. And then we eventually found Nag and we looked at Naga and then we found out which of the Naga, one of them had a weapon. We were like, that's cool. That probably means there's more weapons. And I started looking at weapons and it turns out that King Arthur's story is not considered. Considered fiction literature. It is considered mythology. So I look into that and apparently that's mentioned everywhere and I had no.
Cristina: Clue, I thought my whole life that he had to find the sword, give the sword in to get the real sword. Nah, man.
Jack: I don't know why I thought this was literature. My whole life I really thought this was like a made up. And nobody, I didn't think people thought this was real. This happened. I thought it was just like. Oh, like, you know, Disney made up King Arthur or some like that. Or bare minimum, it's just a fiction from the 1700s that somebody wrote and everybody knew. Oh, yeah, the great story written by the guy over there, Bob, about King Arthur.
Cristina: Anyone who wrote a story back then was writing a story based on something that was happening, though. That's all lore. Everything comes from lore of what they thought was actually happening.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Everything we think of as fairy tales, every fairy tale was the thing they truly believe was happening to some degree. Yeah.
Jack: A lot of people really thought all this s*** was happening.
Cristina: So it's just one of those, like, werewolves.
Jack: Yeah. It was trying to reason away the logic of what was going on, but we know the logical is going on, which actually brings us to the point. So looking through these weapons that can in fact be special magic weapons, I come around the weapon called Fragarach. Awful, awful name. Fragarach. But the Fragarach is a sword.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And this sword is in Ireland. Snyder's sword.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And it's a very magical sword. It was given to the first High King of Ireland.
Cristina: Why? Who gave it to him? Oh, is this special?
Jack: His people gave it to him. It is special. It's a very special sword. Like all these magical swords, it itself possesses magical abilities.
Cristina: Fairy killing magic abilities.
Jack: Fairy killing magic abilities?
Cristina: Really?
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: But why?
Jack: That's what we're trying to figure out.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So the Fragarach, the first High King of Ireland, was wielding the sword. And during the first battle of Mag, Taured with the fur, Bolga with the fear Bolg, the first High King of Ireland, Mauda, lost his arm. And he believes he is now incapable of being the leader. So he gives the sword that was given to him by his people. He gives that sword to one of the people who is with him now.
Cristina: So he could be the new king or something.
Jack: The new king temporarily, for the next battle. And after that battle, he makes it permanent. Okay. So I'll tell you some things about the sword. Specifically, the sword is unbreakable. The Fragarach is also a weapon that will regenerate the wielder.
Cristina: What does that mean?
Jack: Whoever's holding it, if they were to have damage, they would recover.
Cristina: But not like losing your arm.
Jack: I'm assuming that.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: The user cannot be harmed. Which then brings into question how the h*** he lost his arm.
Cristina: That is very strange. Okay.
Jack: And it is allegedly capable of. Of killing fairies.
Cristina: There's something wrong because he still got her.
Jack: Yes. I'm assuming he got hurt. Well, he did get hurt in a battle, but he was using a spear.
Cristina: He's using spear.
Jack: He was using a spear. He wasn't using the sword.
Cristina: Okay. The sword was not swapped out.
Jack: What do you mean the sword was not swapped out?
Cristina: Like, what happened to King Arthur where he had the fairy killing sword and then he had a sword?
Jack: No, no, no, no, no, no, no. He just has this sword. He. It's made by his people.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: His people make this sword. He gets the sword, and the sword gives him all these crazy abilities, and.
Cristina: Then the whole carry. I don't. It still doesn't make sense because, like, how do they know who tested it out to say that it kills fairies?
Jack: We'll get there.
Cristina: Okay?
Jack: We're gonna find out why it believes to kill fairies.
Cristina: Okay. It's not just some random.
Jack: No, but anyways. Anyways, this made me look at who the h*** all these people involved with this sword in Ireland are. And so first, we needed to find out the lineage of these people. Well, not originally. We didn't have to find out the lineage. It's afterwards. In fact, you know what? I'm gonna give this to you in the order that I discovered it so that you can go through the same level of confusion I went through. Ultimately, the sword, the Fragarach, is being wielded by Naota as the king. Yeah. The first high King, Naota. And this is in the first battle of Magtorid for the part of Ireland they're fighting for. And Naota gets his arm cut off. And, you know, but they still win. They win the battle.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And they split the island between the guys and the bad guys, or whoever you want to call the good guys and bad guys, whatever. And.
Cristina: And he gives the sword to someone.
Jack: Well, yeah. Then he gives a sword to the guy for the next thing, for the next future battle to be fake king. And then he became the real king as a result. Fantastic. Sweet. Okay, who the f*** are these people?
Cristina: What people?
Jack: All of them. These people who have the sword, who are they fighting? Why? What? Why did you stop using the sword for the spear? It's a weird one.
Cristina: Did you figure that out?
Jack: No.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: I have a theory, though.
Cristina: Oh. Okay.
Jack: And so, in doing so, I had to look at the battle in which the sword was being held, and the battle was again, the battle called Torrid Magtor. And so I'm looking at the battle of Magator, and the battle of Magtoran is happening with some people called the Fear Bolga fir, Fur fear. Fur. Fur bog, whatever. Fur boggle, Some, something like that. Fur bog. And so I'm looking at the fur bog. The fur ball.
Cristina: Yes, the fur ball.
Jack: The fur balls. I'm looking at the fur balls and like, who, who, who are you guys? And then who are those guys? This got weird really quickly. So the fear bog are ancestors of some people who left Ireland in the past called the Nemedians. Nemedians are aliens?
Cristina: No. I don't know, it's just a matter of your name.
Jack: It's a weird name, but it's. They're named after the guy they follow. The guy they follow is called Nemed. And Nmed leads these people in this region of Ireland. Okay, These people who live in that region of Ireland live under consistent oppression from a group of people called the Fomorans. I hear about the Fomorians. I'm like, okay, this is getting weird. I don't know who any of those people are, but we're talking Gaelic. This is all happening 4, 5, 6, 7,000 years ago, right? So we're speaking an old a** language here. I'm saying these words like these are their names. No, this is obviously just the translation from that language. This is in that language. Words that we know. It's always the case, okay? So I'm like, let's look at some of these words, let's translate them, let's do some translations, let's find out what these words translate to.
Cristina: And it gets weird.
Jack: It. All of this is a weird freaking mess to begin with. But allow me to tell you who these people are. The Nemedians are part of the third group of people to ever settle in Ireland, led by named under the oppression of the Fomorians. And after many, many years of oppression, the Nemedians rise up and they decide, we're going to fight back and we're going to kill the Fomorians. We're going to get rid of them. But they lose this battle.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: They lose it by a landslide. A lot of them die. Out of 60,000 men, 30 escape on a boat. Oh, it was a massacre.
Cristina: That's crazy. 30, 30. And they come back.
Jack: These 30 people, these 30 living Nemedians, named amongst them, break off into two groups from a disagreement they have. One goes to Greece and one goes somewhere up north.
Cristina: What's up north?
Jack: The ones that go to Greece are who we come to know as Firbolg. Many years after leaving Ireland, Ireland has been abandoned for a very long time. They return smarter, stronger.
Cristina: Who's fear Ball. I. I already lost this fear.
Jack: B are the Nedians that left. These are the ancestors of the Ne.
Cristina: These are the people that are going to have the sword.
Jack: No, no, no. We. We're going to get to the sword. Oh, we're going to get to the sword. I'm telling you who these people are. It's very important who these people are.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So Furbolg is the name of.
Cristina: The people who end up fighting the people that have the sword. Is that what it is?
Jack: No, listen to me.
Cristina: I can't remember. I know you mentioned them.
Jack: The Nemedians are the third people to settle Ireland. They got harassed out of there after they tried to rise up. 60,000 of the Nemedians went to war. 30 managed to get on a boat and escape after they totally lost the h*** out of that. They were being harassed by the Fomorians.
Cristina: So the come back and become for more.
Jack: The Nemedians that leave and go to Greece become known as the Fur Bulg. The Nedians that leave.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: After the third out of the 30 that were alive, some of them went to Greece. Those became known the Fir Bolg.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And that group of people comes back to Ireland to. When Ireland has been abandoned for a while now. There's nobody there. And they then become the fourth settlers of Ireland.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Whatever. Okay.
Jack: Yeah. They become the fourth settlers of Ireland.
Cristina: The third. They're technically still the third.
Jack: No, but they're. They were the third. A bunch of them got murdered. They went. The survivors went. Their ancestors. It's been generations.
Cristina: Okay. Because now they're mixed. Their whole new group.
Jack: Yeah. This is not the same people. The Met has been dead a long time.
Cristina: Okay. Now they're the fowls, huh?
Jack: Yeah. This. The Fur bog. New different people, but ancestors of Neman.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Come back to conquer this place themselves. Meanwhile, the Fomorians seem to never cross paths with these people for a very long time.
Cristina: Which ones are the Flamorians?
Jack: The ones who got their ancestors out of there. They're just not around.
Cristina: The people that kick those people out are just missing. That's what you're saying.
Jack: The Fomorians got rid of the Nemedians and Nemedians became the Firbolg.
Cristina: But those people are missing.
Jack: Missing? Yeah, they're just. They never encounter the Firbolg, never come across the Numinians. I mean, the. The. The. The Fomorians. Anyways, anyways, the Firbolg are here in this new place of Ireland where they have settled. And they're here for many, many years before there's no way.
Cristina: It's a new place.
Jack: It's been a long time. They are ancestors of the people who left.
Cristina: Okay?
Jack: It's could be 2, 300, 400 years, thousands of years, I don't know. But they show up and they're there for a long time. But after they've been there for a while, a group of people known as the Tau Tha de Danan show up.
Cristina: Are these a whole new group of.
Jack: People or these are one other new group of people show up. And these people got the guns.
Cristina: How do they have the guns?
Jack: They are so advanced that it blows the f****** Furbolg out of the g****** water. These people show up and they come in peace. Hard as f***. They're like, hey, long time ago, our ancestors left this place and they went north. North. And they reproduce and we are their descendants and we're here to try to. We're gonna share this land with you. Nah, they ain't having it. They're like, no, we're not sharing crap, okay? And he's like, well, this wasn't like a question, bro. So like one, we're the same people. Two, you can share it, or we can make you share it. And the guy was like, yeah, make me share a b****. So they fight, get their a**** f****** handed to them, and then they have to just concede to the new group of people who still ultimately gave them a chunk. They're like, go to that corner over there and stop being an a******.
Cristina: Okay?
Jack: So at the end of the day, they still gave it to them, the Tau Tha de Danan. Right. So that battle with the Fur Bolg and the Tau Tha de Danan was the first battle of Mag Turid.
Cristina: And he's the one that was leading the. Whatever the first group is called in this battle.
Jack: The leader, Nauta, is the one wielding the sword, the Fragarach. Except he's not wielding it when he's fighting. The leader of the Firbolg gets his arm cut off and he hands his sword over after the battle. But they do win the battle and they force the Fur bolg to go and share. Stop being greedy, man. This makes no sense. Why are you being greedy, man? So why the sword? What's the point? Who are these people?
Cristina: And why not use it?
Jack: And why not use the sword? I think this sword, the point of this sword is to fight fairies specifically as well. I think that's why the spear was the weapon chosen to fight earthlings.
Cristina: Oh, okay. Because it would do nothing, but it would still protect him. And he's still a sword.
Jack: If he's using it against a fairy, it makes. Maybe these rules really apply to a fairy.
Cristina: Only while fighting a fairy, it would protect him in the ways that. Yeah, supposed to.
Jack: Because the fairies, it's. Everything it does is to stop a fairy's damage a fairy's effect on him.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And he can slice through a fairy. That's just some other kind of thing. Okay, Those are my theories on that.
Cristina: Do you know where these ancestors went exactly? Like, where is this north location that they got this sword from? If they got it from that location?
Jack: So I do not know exactly where they were, but I'll give you some details on all the people. We have the broad information, ignoring the deeper narrative, just entirely explaining to you who these individual groups are right now. Because useful information. These are the questions you want. This is what you're asking. Who these people are, where they went, who they were interacting with. This is why it's important to know who these people are.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Okay. Named. The leader of the third group of settlers was a descendant of Noah.
Cristina: What? That's random. Okay.
Jack: A human favored by the Elians.
Cristina: Noah or this random dude? Okay.
Jack: Oh, no, no, no. My bad. Noah was a person favored by the Elysians.
Cristina: Interesting.
Jack: The Med was the leader of the third settlers of Ireland, subsequently named the Nemedians. Nemed in his group were oppressed originally by a group of fomorians. They rise up against the Fomorians and ultimately get defeated. And most of them are killed. Out of the 60,000 to go to battle, 30,000 managed to escape in a single ship. And they flee, most of which go to Ireland. Okay, named details. Next Firbolg. The fourth group of people to settle in Ireland. Descendants of the Nemesians, originally from the third group of settlers in Ireland, left to Greece and settled. Their descendants returned to Ireland after it had been abandoned for many years. And after settling established order and civilization with within the island. And they are overthrown by a group of people called the Taltha de Danan. Okay, so far on the right track. Everything is leading one to the other subsequently. So who the h*** are the Toffee?
Cristina: The who?
Jack: The Toffee Danan. So in fleeing after losing the first battle of Mag Turid. No, not of Mag Turret. When fleeing after they got oppressed by the Fomorians, the people who fled went to Greece. Some went to north. And these are also descendants of the Nemesians. And these are the Numidians that traveled north, which would be the Palf dead. The nun and they basically made with the locals of the region they went to. Many years later, they returned to Ireland to battle for the fir bolg and divide Ireland. Tatha de Anon is the Gaelic term for people of Elysium.
Cristina: I don't understand how.
Jack: These were not people of Elysium. Specifically, the Taffa de Danan are from a civilization towards the Arctic consisting of Aletians, Mayans and Egyptians.
Cristina: What?
Jack: They return to Ireland following orders by the Elysian leaders to assist Mananan.
Cristina: Okay. Of course. For the trees that are there. Right.
Jack: They're to join man near the Isle of Man and settle as they awaited the construction of the isle named Imane al Bach, which is that secret island they live in or on or whatever. Okay, that's fascinating.
Cristina: Ridiculous. What? What? What is going on?
Jack: Now? I get that the Elysians Tauta de anan translates to people of Elysium. So if this translates to people of Elysium, what the h***? So I look into it, and it's not that they mated with sea people. The group is made of individuals that involve non sea people. So these are people who made it with either Mayans or Egyptians who were of this high.
Cristina: Okay, that was just in that area. Okay, yes.
Jack: Of where they went to, because they were not. But then they were accepted as these like way superior people. Okay, but it's because they're coming with the tech. They're coming with these abilities that seem like magic to the people who weren't them.
Cristina: They got their sword from the Elysians.
Jack: They themselves are. Yeah, because Mananan is an Elysian. And the guy wielding the sword. Nauta, I believe he. He himself was just an Elysian scientist or a team leader, military guy or whatever the case may be. These are just a bunch of Elysians. Of course there are other people there, but the guy wielding the sword was an Elysian.
Cristina: The guy himself that was wielding the sword.
Jack: The first one, yes.
Cristina: What?
Jack: He was wielding the sword and then he loses his arm. He gives a sword to Mananan. Mananan then becomes the guy in command during the next battle. And the after that second battle for the same location, he becomes the true king.
Cristina: Well done.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Is he the same guy protecting the trees?
Jack: Yes. Studying them.
Cristina: What? He's the one that gets. Oh. What?
Jack: Yep.
Cristina: Same guy.
Jack: Same guy. Yep.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Big player.
Cristina: Whoa. That's really random.
Jack: Yep. I told you. This gets really odd.
Cristina: That is so odd. Okay, Was it not expecting that Mad random names. Then what?
Jack: So now we have Monanaan showing up. We have Elysians being mentioned. Egyptians being mentioned, Mayans being mentioned. We have a lot of big names popping up everywhere.
Cristina: Basically, all of this for the trees.
Jack: I think the trees are never mentioned in these stories related to this sword.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But we know what's going on because we know why Maranan is there, which tells us a lot. But it became crucial to find out who the h*** the Fomorians are.
Cristina: Which one's? The Fomorians?
Jack: The people who oppressed the first group. Not the first group, but the third group of settlers, and then later became both of these groups. What are your guesses?
Cristina: What? It's gonna be something we know. Maybe fairies.
Jack: Huh?
Cristina: That's it. I don't know.
Jack: Fairies, I guess. Okay.
Cristina: I feel like. What Shadow people? I don't know.
Jack: Fomorians is the Gaelic, AKA old Irish word to describe a being from the shadow realm.
Cristina: Okay, so I was right.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: With my second guess, it is a.
Jack: Being from the shadow realm.
Cristina: What?
Jack: Yep. So there are some things happening. The battle of Taurid 2, the second one, the one that Mananan was a. The leader of, stand in leader for, and then subsequently real leader was.
Cristina: Of.
Jack: This group of Elysians versus the Fomorans. This group of shadow people. Okay, but why?
Cristina: Besides for. It has to be for the trees related somehow.
Jack: I think so too. Okay, so this is the logic I'm following, right? These people are oppressed, contained, managed. None of this is happening on that island. But they're probably doing this to the people on all the local islands, all the local region, to prevent people from getting to. Because they're trying to tactically position themselves around those trees. Everybody wants a piece of these trees.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And a lot of people are kind of catching up all at the same time. Mananan is there studying the same trees, but that happens later. Presumably Mananan shows up, sees these people, doesn't really care, sees the problem of these shadow people, calls for backup. Now gets literal soldiers with overpowered weaponry showing up. So that my defense while I'm doing my work, these people. I don't think these people themselves are the scientists.
Cristina: Yes. I have a theory about these shadow people, though. This is gonna sound weird because there's no hints of this anywhere, but I feel like these specific shadow people might actually be working with the fairies. Because Ireland is kind of like the home to fairies in a way. Like, that's where all a lot of fairy tales come from, where fairies really live. Like, it's a fairy hotspot. It has the fairy hole.
Jack: I like how you put that. Yes.
Cristina: I feel like if there Are shadow people there? They might be protecting the fairies. Maybe. Question mark. Or. You can't really tell what's a fairy or what's the shadow people either. They might be, to us, harder to tell apart. We assume because we're using these different words that they're different things, but we have no idea what they actually look like. Could we really tell them apart?
Jack: Yeah. Could we? Right. We probably couldn't because they have a.
Cristina: Fairy sword to fight shadow people. I don't think so so either.
Jack: But then why wasn't he using. Oh, no, because he knew these people weren't. But then Mananan used the sword against the fomorians, which means it was.
Cristina: So either they're working with the fairies or.
Jack: No, because if the sword is meant to only be used on fairies and Mananan used it against the fomorians. Yes, the fomorians are working with fairies. They themselves are fairies. If the sword is working on them, that. Yes, but fomorians translate to shadow people. Yeah, shadow people.
Cristina: I don't. Because shadow people. I think they're so closely related, we can't tell them apart. Or at least in that time. Look, I think we just can't tell them apart. I think that's what it is because they work so similarly. Like, how could you tell from their descriptions.
Jack: Yeah. 100. And this might be happening in a couple different instances that we can't explain. When there's situations that we get stumped on. It might be that same thing that maybe we're just confusing because how it got written got messed up through translation and, like, how do they know the difference?
Cristina: Exactly.
Jack: But fomorians being the same as these people.
Cristina: What people? The shadow people.
Jack: Yeah, the shot. So the fomorians being essentially the shadow people and the shadow people that they're being described essentially having no difference than if they themselves were Elysians. Not Elysians. From Alfame brings the question. A lot of things we don't know for sure about certain people when it comes to a lot of these texts that we go through. Because they could be easily confused. It could be. Again, they're just confused while they're writing it, they're expressing what they believe they're seeing. In a lot of these instances, there's no way to tell anything.
Cristina: Yes, it's that problem where, like, demons have now become aliens. It's kind of that problem. Like we're dealing with multiple things, but they're also similar that. Are we really dealing with multiple things?
Jack: And you believe that the fomorians might actually be fairies. Or working with fairies. The problem is, if the sword did work when Manana used it, it's because it worked on a fairy.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Otherwise it would not have worked.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Which is why Naota used a spear instead. Because it would. The sword would not work on these people who are just people.
Cristina: But the people he. The people he was fighting with the sword though. Shadow people.
Jack: We're shadow people. Shadow people. Unquote. But if the sword is working, then again, maybe the sword that works on fairies works on shadow people, but it still wouldn't harm. That's to say that King Arthur's sword could also hurt shadow people.
Cristina: Could be. Because they're probably closer to fairies than we are. Because fairies than in that it came. You know, they came from fairies like we came from them.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: So they got a closer link at least.
Jack: Yes. If the sword is made with fairy magic, then it could affect this group. But we're too far removed.
Cristina: Yeah, Something like that. Yeah.
Jack: And vice versa. Sword meant to do something to the other end. Which is why.
Cristina: Yeah, yeah.
Jack: That's why Excalibur was two. One could hurt one extreme, one can hurt the other extreme. Neither can hurt the extreme it came from.
Cristina: Interesting.
Jack: Interesting. So. Yes. And maybe because. Yeah. One of the things describing the Fomorians is that they come from other world. They come from the other world. What is the other world? Where is the other world? But we've seen the other world. And going back. The problem with the other world is it is interchangeably used in between meaning fairy world or. Yep.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It's always either or. It doesn't matter.
Cristina: I don't know. Like how do we tell the difference? Maybe Elysians can tell the difference. But how do we know that humans can tell the difference?
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: So that's something to think about. Because we don't know what's going on. We'll never know. Like no matter how much we figure out, we're not gonna know. Because it's so. I don't know. We don't. Because we're just getting stories from humans. A lot of these stories are humans.
Jack: A lot of these stories are from humans. Yes. We're getting second hand accounts of situations and their interpretation of crap they could. There's no way they could have understood.
Cristina: No. No.
Jack: And when we do get something weird and left behind, it looks like the magnum opus, just some random. Like, what the h***? This is just numbers and diagrams and that's what gets left behind. Somebody from this time, from this level, leave something behind. And it doesn't look like the magnum.
Cristina: Opus, which was the Magnus. The opus.
Jack: How to Create a Philosopher.
Cristina: Okay. Complicated. Okay.
Jack: But they thought these people came from shadow.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: It translates to a being from the underworld. The other world. The shadow world. H***. Whatever word you want to apply to it. That. That's what the Fomorians means. People of this place.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: They at least were very sure. Even if they were wrong.
Cristina: How do you know they were wrong?
Jack: I don't.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: But all we do know is if the Fomorians were probably trying to tactically position themselves around those trees, which we know that the Elysians around that same time were trying to do the same thing around those trees. This conflict makes perfect sense. And then the battle that takes place is between this group of Elysians defending Mananan. Really? And Mananan's work. And that's why Mananan was a leader for this work. This is his. This is his that they're defending. And he took charge and he goes and helps defend. And they managed to keep all this stuff. And Warrens are defeated and pushed off to sea. And yeah. Everybody was happily ever after. This sword is a fairy sword. Just like the Excalibur. The second one. Well, the first one. My bad. The first Excalibur. And we don't know this yet, but it's possible that Merlin himself was an Elysian, or at least tightly connected somehow.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Which means Elysians can make weapons that can kill fairies.
Cristina: That is for sure. Or at least it seems like it.
Jack: That is what I call finding a problem that could warrant the creation of the elves.
Cristina: What do you mean?
Jack: A weapon that can kill a fairy means make sure no other human can do that and stop these humans from doing it. Thus the elves get made.
Cristina: What? You think elves?
Jack: The Elysians are specifically the reason that the elves were designed, or at least sent. At least sent down to do this current task of preventing civilizations from developing too far. It's because of these weapons?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: They're making weapons that can kill fairies.
Cristina: Huh? I see.
Jack: With Merlin, at least it's debatable that it was in retaliation. There's some beef going on between this fairy.
Cristina: There seems to be beef. Yeah.
Jack: Yeah, There seemed to be beef. There's some happening here.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: But what is the case with this weapon? The Fomorians and the. And now. And the Tafa, the Nan and Manana.
Cristina: And they were fighting over this land, though. The thing fighting for that sword. They were fighting for that land. They kicked them out in the first place.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: The shadow people or whatever.
Jack: These people. The Fomorians Yes.
Cristina: It was about whatever is there. It's about the place which is a very hot spot.
Jack: Which is a very hot spot. You see the problem, right? There's something more important happening there than what we know about. We got every group closing in on this region, give or take 5000 years ago. All the big names are here. Not just all the big names, but you think of the people that we keep forgetting about. Where did the first half of the Nemedians go when they left Ireland? They went where?
Cristina: I don't remember.
Jack: To Greece.
Cristina: Oh. Why is that important?
Jack: Because the Greek are also huge players that we found out. They can even create fake Naga.
Cristina: Oh, well, it's not like the whole country is. It's very specific people.
Jack: Every one of these groups is very specific people.
Cristina: Yeah. I guess it's just such a small group.
Jack: Yeah. And every single group who ignores the rest of the major population they're part of. Yeah, this is what it is. I guess. But all the big players have shown up for this big party. Man. Involving this. They like these people. I don't know. I don't know. It definitely gives us a light into one of the things happening. Although I don't believe that they're just making weapons to go out on theory killing genocide missions. I do believe we just want to be able to defend ourselves.
Cristina: Or they were just fighting for whatever was there that they wanted. Yeah. I don't know if it was defending.
Jack: Themselves, but they knew this area was fairy related because they send the guy with the fairy sword.
Cristina: Yeah. They were kicked out first from these. From these creatures. Whatever. Kick them out. Because whatever reasons. And they were like, no, these reasons are too good. We gotta go back and fight for whatever these reasons are. Which we don't really know.
Jack: She don't really know.
Cristina: Which we're guessing is the fairy trees.
Jack: The fairy trees. Because the Monoland is right around the corner. Which they go and literally join Marana. And then Marana becomes the leader of the group.
Cristina: Fighting with fairy trees.
Jack: They're fighting with fairy trees. There's also the. The fairy castle things, the fairy circle things, fairy huts or whatever we're gonna call them. Little fairy rings.
Cristina: The fairy rings. But they're not fighting over that.
Jack: I don't know what.
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: I don't know what any of this crap is about. There's a lot of weirdness happening.
Cristina: If the trees are made out of fairies, then maybe that's why he has the sword as well. It is really. Kill some fairies for science.
Jack: Technology that can Kill. That kind of thing can do a lot. But then again, it looks like it's entirely different. Like it doesn't work on other stuff. So it's also hyper specific. But I get it if you're talking about something from a different realm, that the physics are different. You can't just be like, oh, I made steel and I'm gonna hit a ghost. You know, like, it doesn't work. Yeah, that's why a sword won't work on something from the shadow realm just as much. You need a weapon that can do things like that. So it makes sense that having this sword that can hurt a fairy, valuable, but it can only hurt a fairy. You can't use the sword averagely.
Cristina: No, that's why they didn't. But they did two fights, I don't know. And they already have the trees. And the trees might be made out of dead fairies.
Jack: Trees made out of dead fairies.
Cristina: And he has a weapon. Like it kind of points to it.
Jack: It was about the place. It was always about the place. First group gets kicked out by the fomorians trying to settle. Second group arrives, they never even see the fomorians. But they come back. We gotta come back. We gotta come back. We gotta take this place. Oh, it's been empty. Great, sweet. Settle, do our thing. Then next group comes, they beat the first group and then they beat the fomorians who come back. All over this land and it's surrounding waters. Meanwhile, Monanam's already out there. But the second group shows up to suppress the fomorians. So they hear about the thing. They hear new settlers show up and. No for Morians, they show up. We're gonna share this place. This is why they were willing to share it. This is for science. We don't need the whole idea. We just need a base of operation. Give us time, we'll be gone. No, we'll slaughter you. And so they did. See, and. Yeah. No, it makes perfect sense because he was there. They didn't want the land, man. They wanted. They knew what. They knew exactly where, what they wanted was.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So they're like, just allow us to.
Cristina: Be here to do whatever it is or get whatever it is. Or whatever. Whatever.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Fascinating. And then because of the fur bog resisting, they got shafted. Because it was never about sharing. You could have had it. We just wanted to be here for a short, brief moment.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: It's very interesting. There is something. It has to do with the fairy trees. It's the same. We also know that eventually, in the future, St. Patrick gets sent here. St. Patrick himself also has an issue with.
Cristina: Know. He also helps get rid of shadow creatures from the.
Jack: Yes, the Naga. Actually a settlement of Naga.
Cristina: Oh crap. Okay.
Jack: The settlement of Naga that were starting to pop up got rid of them and. Yeah. I don't know. I thought this was fascinating. This random weapon. I've never heard about the Fragarach. And these people were right next to the Norse. They had a lot of the same things going on. A lot of the same events happening. They were. They had access to and they saw a lot of those same things. So that's kind of cool.
Cristina: Yeah. Yes it is.
Jack: Yeah. Anyways, that's all I wanted to talk about. There's nothing crazy.
Cristina: That was pretty crazy. I don't know.
Jack: Yeah. Some major people showing up. That's definitely the fact that the shadow people or whoever these fomorians really are are having a kind of battle out here with the Tal. Thought that Danan that are really a conglomerate collective sett made up of Mayans, Egyptians and Elysians. They then come down to help Mananan because there's hostility surrounding his studies. And so this dude that has a fairy killing sword pops up help him and he becomes a leader of the group. And beautiful story for Mananan who seems to be a douchebag. Always tangled up with somebody.
Cristina: Yep. That's very interesting. I like it.
Jack: And it's very. Horizon Forbidden west. That these two groups that came from the same ancestors are fighting over the same territory.
Cristina: In what way is that like the.
Jack: Humans that existed on Earth created the humans.
Cristina: Oh, you talk about the. Okay, the second game.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Oh yeah, yeah. That's Forbidden West. Yeah, yeah. You're talking about the future people or whatever. Okay.
Jack: Yeah, yeah.
Cristina: But there's no future people here. Unless there are future people here. Which I guess would be. I'm not sure. Not sure who that is.
Jack: I think based on the timing of these weapons, it's possible that the Fragarach was the precursor to King Arthur's sword.
Cristina: Why?
Jack: I think this might literally be the same weapon.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: Or a variant of it. A tool that was used at that time by many.
Cristina: It has the same exact description, same.
Jack: Abilities down to the f****** T. Interesting. Yep. I think this is Excalibur. At least the one that was made by Merlin or similar. If it's a concept, think military. Military all has military grade issue weaponry. Everybody has the same weapon.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Same idea. So like is if this is an Elysian concept, then maybe a lot of people have this Elysian weapon that allows them to go into hostile areas that would it be impossible for anybody else because fairies.
Cristina: Makes sense.
Jack: They can totally handle it.
Cristina: I don't think it's the same sword.
Jack: Now let me paint you a quick picture and then we'll close this.
Cristina: What?
Jack: The Elysians have the ability to hide an entire island or mountain both from fairies. Creatures that can travel through and to and see anything in our side and do it effortlessly. Elysians found a way to cloak things from them. Hide things from them. Second Elysians build a weapon that can kill fairies. You can't see us coming. And we can kill you.
Cristina: Yes. Except they could. Once Jesus was born.
Jack: I guess Jesus became a problem. Jesus became a problem. Now that's little by little that image is refining itself a little more. Jesus became a huge problem. Because if you can hide from the fairies. Jesus gave that away.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Didn't mean technology. He is above that. He magically sent a shockwave through time.
Cristina: Yeah. So D***. Yeah. Don't know how that it's all related somehow.
Jack: It's all related somehow. We inched closer. See a lot of relevant information about this weapon. But shining a light on some important details here and there. By finding a second weapon made potentially by the Elysians. We have two examples of two potential Elysians designing a weapon that can kill fairies. And they are very similar. Either this is the same sword or they can mass produce these weapons that can kill fairies. Thus making the Elysians more of a threat than we thought.
Cristina: But how many fairy killing swords are there?
Jack: I do not know. But that's why we're going to look through many different fairy killing or magic based weapons to find out what's going on with that.
Cristina: So you think there's more out there?
Jack: I think there's many more. And I think that we're going to find a couple of swords. I do truly honestly believe so.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And there is one instance that we have to look at that I can already think off the top of my head that might be the same idea.
Cristina: What?
Jack: Because when Lucifer got kicked from the Garden of Eden, the man to directly replace his post was Michael. Michael is a soldier and Michael has a sword. A very famous sword. A very famous sword that can strike down anything.
Cristina: So you're gonna look into that sword. Cool.
Jack: AKA the flaming sword.
Cristina: That's what it's called. That's pretty good. Lovely. Okay.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Cool. Cool.
Jack: So that's a fragrance right there. It turned out to be related to all the same people. Everybody. All the same people.
Cristina: Lovely.
Jack: Everything.
Cristina: I hope we can find the Same juicy stuff about that sword. The flaming sword.
Jack: Yeah, that'd be dope. I hope. I mean, it's already connected to an unleash. And so, like, that's beginning on an obvious note. But we'll look at that and see how. Because if anything, that's the top of the line of technology when it comes to weaponry. The guy closest to them would have the best weapon, right?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Which means that's refined tech. But yeah, we'll figure it out. Anyways, if you guys have any comments, questions, concerns, ideas for any of this information, you can contact us. You can hit us up on our social medias. That's on Facebook, Instagram X and Tick Tock at just Convopod.
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Jack: Bye. Level at the same time, same scenario. You got so sloppy with it too. Plain sight. You're like it. Attack ourselves. Who gives a. It's closer to home. We'll get it faster. Desperation. Okay, not thinking then. Now you gotta clean the massive cleanup job. You gotta think about how to cover this up, who to blame. Even blaming it. There's like, what the. Those people clearly had nothing to do with it. And we're still over there. Like no 100. It had something to do with them. Yeah, but you got. You got some sloppy desperation now you got a crazy cleanup job, which is what's happening right now. Crazy cleanup job is going to follow whatever the f*** is happening.
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