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Rambling 296: Godzilla: The True Story Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised. Jack: Going live in 5, 4. Cristina: What does live mean? Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack. Cristina: And I'm your host, Cristina. Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today, I thought it would be really cool if we looked at something that happened recently and unpacked how the world has reacted in response to these things that have occurred to Godzilla. Godzilla. I mean, I guess I wonder how people would react to Godzilla. I know there would be people who would be like, wow, it was based on truth. Instantly, a bunch of conspiracy theorists are gonna say, we were right all along. And the elites always put the truth in front of you because they have to tell you for whatever deal they made with something. Cristina: If it's part of conspiracy, then did they. Did the government, the world government, or whatever make Godzilla interesting? Jack: Or Godzilla could be a demon, a deity of some sort. God. God is in the name. Somebody's gonna put that connection together. Cristina: He's a God that was hidden, but someone knew about him. So did the government hide him until he broke loose or until the government was like, you know, the world government was like, okay, these people are out of control. We gotta let this guy loose. Jack: You think? Okay, okay, let's go back. You think the government made Godzilla? Cristina: No, I'm not saying they made him, but if they kept him a secret, then they probably have him locked up. Jack: Yes. Yes. Okay, fair enough. Fair enough. So the premise here is ultimately right. We're gonna fix this. This is gonna make a lot of sense. The premise here is two things. Regardless of how Godzilla is real and two, actually, three concepts that need to work here. Godzilla is real. And we're gonna prove this somehow. Cristina: Sure. Jack: And two, the government somehow knew. Somehow, somehow. Cristina: Whether they kept it or they just knew where he was or something. Jack: And three, that's because we only know about Godzilla to begin with. Because the government always has to tell us whatever they're doing, even if in secrecy. So they have to put it in front of us somehow. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Because the elites have to show us they made a deal with something. As we know is whatever theory. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And they have to show you. They got to tell you what they're doing, so they'll do it in cryptic ways so you don't know, but you know, or whatever. Cristina: I don't get it. I think it's so you can be used to it, so that when it happens, you're not as scared. Except the point of showing it is to scare you. Like, I don't. I don't know. So, like, they show it to you so that you. When it does happen, you're not too freaked out about it. Because they don't want you to kill yourself. Because at the end of the day, they still need you alive. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: For whatever their evil plan is. They just need you to know that it was possible. And then when it's possible when it's there, then. Jack: But I don't know why they would want you to know about Godzilla. Cristina: Why would they? They want us to know about everything. Aliens? Jack: Yeah. That's why. I think it's not that they're trying to descend. I think those people are wrong. If. If our three things are to be true, then they don't want us to know about Godzilla because they're unleashing Godzilla to kill us. Cristina: No. Jack: To do what? Why? Why would. Okay, let's. Let's work on one of these problems at a time. Cristina: Okay? Jack: Why are they. Cristina: Who. Jack: Somehow the theory that you're going with is they're trapping Godzilla. Godzilla? Maybe they could have made Godzilla, but Godzilla could have existed beforehand. Cristina: Yes. Jack: So it could happen either way. Maybe it was an accident. It could be that the story they told us about Godzilla was accurate. Cristina: It's just a natural thing that happened out from radiation hitting a lizard or something. From their bombs. Jack: Is that the initial story? Cristina: Something like that. Like they. We bombed Japan and then Godzilla was made. No. Jack: Okay, okay, okay, hold on. Let's. Let's f******. Without looking it up first, let's. Let's make our assumption. Okay, so you think war. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And nuclear waste. 00:05:00 Cristina: Yes. And then lizard and nuclear waste equals Godzilla. Jack: Okay, okay. I think cautionary tale. Power plant or chemical waste plant or something. Cristina: Yeah. And a lizard. Jack: Yeah. Wait, but you're saying war? Cristina: Well, it could be either or. Jack: Okay, you're just saying chemical. Cristina: Chemicals. A lizard, Godzilla. Jack: Chemicals. A lizard Godzilla. I agree. I think. I think it's a cautionary term. Cristina: Chemicals. I think it's bit a lizard and made Godzilla. Jack: Chemicals. Bit a lizard. Cristina: It's like Spider Man. Jack: Okay, fair enough. Kind of like the Ninja Turtles. Cristina: Yes. Jack: I mean, to be fair, that story. Cristina: The Ninja Turtles of whatever that story. Jack: Is about four N4 turtles that got bit by a radioactive rat, Right? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: And didn't he find them already mutated and turned into. No, they were just turtles. Cristina: Turtles. And you're saying he made them? The rat, the rat made them? Is he the villain? I don't think so. I think he found Them? No, the bad guy probably made them by accident. Doing weird experiment things. Jack: I bet. I bet it's some crap like that. Cristina: Experiments or an accident. Jack: No, I think. Yeah, it would probably have been like. And then he was trying the. His quest in life was to stop what he. The problem he created. So he spent his whole life trying to fix the issue of four mutant rats. I mean, turtles and a. I don't know. Maybe he made the rat too. They knew each other or something. Wasn't Master Splinter his master? Cristina: And he's just a dude. It's just a regular human dude against some wild animals. Jack: Any train. Cristina: And he's bad. Jack: Well, I don't know. I think I could be wrong. I don't know why. This is the memory, and I'm not gonna look it up. We're never gonna find out, okay? Because I've never seen the Ninja Turtles. I've read so little about the Ninja Turtles. I think, like, I literally don't even know how they became. Cristina: Like. Jack: I'm assuming it's waste if my memory says waste to some degree. Right? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: I think the rat knew martial arts because the guy taught it. But as you have brought up the question, did this guy teach a normal rat martial arts and that rat then went off into the world and became a mutant freak? Or did this guy make or find a mutant rat? Cristina: I can't believe he actually. No, I don't think he has to do anything with them. That can't be part of the story. It doesn't make sense. Jack: Then how the h*** did. He's a good guy. It doesn't matter what the h*** we're looking at. This guy is probably trying to just stop these weird animal freaks. Does he have targets? Does he harm people? Cristina: I think he's a criminal. Jack: Oh, he's a criminal. Cristina: I'm pretty sure he's doing crime. Jack: Are they superheroes? Cristina: I think so. Because I feel like the girl that's involved is also, like, a journalist or something. Jack: Holy s***. Are they Spider Man? Cristina: Yes. They're just like Superman. Jack: Are they super strong? Don't they have to, like, know martial arts? They gotta combat these guys one to one. They're not like one shotting everybody. Cristina: But they're. It's hard to hurt them. They're turtles, I guess. They have the highest defense. They might not be the fastest or strongest, but they're defense man. Jack: In a world where other creatures also mutated in a similar fashion. If we said they all approximated to about the same size, why would that happen? I don't Know even why the turtles began with. Okay, the least defensive thing Would probably be a standing turtle. Cristina: Well, maybe they can do stuff with their shells. I don't know. Jack: How could they see you if the only way for that defense to be high up, and you'd still have six points that you can be poked or stabbed or killed through? Yeah, you're just upping your defense. It's not perfect. Cristina: You think it. They're less defensive, though? Jack: I don't think they're less offensive. I think they're just lame. Cristina: They are pretty lame. Yeah. Jack: Yeah, yeah. In fact, we would have to increase the size of these turtles to make everybody the size of the biggest already existing. So the elephant is the only creature that wouldn't increase in size. All the other creatures would. 00:10:00 Jack: Except giraffe. We'll see the elephant, the giraffe. That's where we cap off. They don't change. Everything below them must increase in size to be at least the height of the elephant. If the turtles went up. Cristina: Yes, because they're like godzilla, who was a little lizard. Because it was smaller than them. Probably. Jack: Yes. But their soft spot is going to be larger. Yes. Cristina: Their soft spot. Jack: Yeah. The flat, the six points where the head goes in, where the two front and back legs going, and where the tail goes in, which is actually not different holes. Usually you have two large slits which are where their arms, the top arm, the top legs, and their head are. And then where their tail and back and hind legs are. Those are the two exits. So those two soft spots, as the turtle gets larger Would then be more vulnerable and be a larger target for the opponents. And if they're hiding, to remove their head, arms, and legs. Cristina: I don't know why they pick turtles. I don't know. It makes no sense. Jack: Yeah. They couldn't see you. Cristina: I thought they picked something cooler. Jack: They couldn't see you. Cristina: Turtles was cool. And then they gave them the attitude of spider man. I'm imagining that they came out around the same time on spider man because they have that boyish attitude that spider man has. But there's what, four or five of them? Jack: Say that again. Cristina: That they have the same attitude that spider man has. Jack: Yeah, they're broad out and, like making jokes. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Except the angry red one. Cristina: Huh? Jack: He doesn't make jokes. Right. He's serious. Cristina: I don't know. There's an angry ninja turtle. Jack: I thought there was an angry red one. Cristina: I don't. I don't know. Jack: I know. Hold on. Let me see. Cristina: I don't even know if there's four or five of them. I don't even know the number of turtles. Jack: I think there's four turtles and a girl turtle. Four dude turtles. Cristina: Girl turtle. Jack: There's a dudette turtle. Cristina: There's not a dudette turtle. There's a girl, but she's not a turtle. Jack: No, there's a girl. Cristina: There's not a girl turtle. Jack: I promise you there's a girl. Cristina: She must have came out way later because the original turtles are. No. Are just boy turtles. Jack: No. I mean, yeah, sure, but there's a girl turtle. No, there is a hundred percent a girl turtle. Cristina: When did they introduce a girl turtle? It makes no sense. Jack: I think pretty early. Cristina: Are you positive? Jack: I guarantee you there is a girl. Cristina: But she's not a turtle. She's a human. Jack: There's a female ninja turtle. I swear to God. No. Cristina: What does that mean? Jack: She got turtle b****. Cristina: That's exactly what I was picturing. But no, there's not ninja turtle. No. Jack: In turn, she's blue. Girl turtle. Cristina: But that's just a made up turtle. Jack: She's blue and light. She's light. Cristina: She's not one of them. They just turned one of their turtles into a female turtle. Jack: No, they got blue. They got b****. Cristina: No, look, there's a. That's him. Jack: No, no. Cristina: Yes, there is that guy. They just changed his sex, but he still. No, there's no female ninja turtle. Jack: What is her name? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: There you go. Cristina: Ew. Jack: Yeah, there's just a chick that's lighter blue. Cristina: When did she. But she's not part of the original Ninja turtles. Jack: You probably not. I don't. Sure you could tell. I'll go with that. I have no idea. Cristina: I just know they don't look like teens anymore. I don't know what they're supposed to be. Now you see that girl? She's the girl. And she's just a human in the yellow suit. Jack: That's the reporter. Cristina: Yeah, I think something like that. Jack: There's just an extra turtle here who isn't even a chick. Cristina: I don't know what's happening. Jack: Yeah, but you get the point. Cristina: No, I don't. What was the point? That they. Jack: There's a female turtle. Cristina: The turtles. Originally there's like four turtles, now there's. Jack: Five and there's a chick. And I think it's been like that since like the second iteration. Cristina: No, he's like. Even the newest projects, you don't see the girl turtle. Jack: Oh, fair enough. Maybe they just don't like. Maybe sexism is alive. Cristina: Maybe. Jack: Okay, There are three scenarios here that are depicted in films that we can use to try to understand Godzilla right now. Cristina: Okay. Jack: One, nuclear testing. You were right. My specifics on it being a power plant was wrong. 00:15:00 Jack: But it wasn't war, it was for war. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It was just test site, probably some random a** island in the middle of nowhere, but had wildlife. Biology suggests in other films that it was a prehistoric kind of dinosaur. Cristina: I don't understand. Jack: So upon the discovery of this dinosaur that was somehow living underwater, is it. Cristina: Like that movie where they found King Kong in the center of the world? Jack: Kind of, yeah. Cristina: Like she's just sleeping in the center of the world and somehow she pops out here. Or he. She. I don't know what Godzilla is. Jack: Well, she. I think she's neither. Cristina: Okay, Well, I think she's like a. Jack: Frog could just, you know, asexually reproduce. Cristina: But Godzilla was down there. Jack: Yeah. Or just sleeping at the bottom of the ocean or something like Nessie. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And so, yeah, that's the other idea. Cristina: And there's a third one. Jack: The third one is essentially a hybrid logic where there was this maybe unknown reptile that was exposed to some chemical waste and that. So it's sort of both things. It had a unique chemistry that then allowed it to become. Cristina: I'm not sure what you tried to say. Jack: There are other lizards and other things in the same water with the same lizard that then became Godzilla. Godzilla was either amongst the species that it was the last of, or it had wandered off into a different eg area and reached the radiation. And its unique DNA had its reaction to the exposure to be turning into this large thing and nothing else did. Because the logic would be why would radiation turn this one lizard huge and not all the others, which is legit? Cristina: I don't know. Because like, if he's real, then what stops all the other things that they are showing us to be real? Jack: Legit. So assuming that Godzilla is a self contained situation, then we can write off the nuclear test site is wrong. And it's probably some kind of creature that has existed for a long time. Meaning the government found it. Cristina: Okay. Jack: They didn't make it. They saw this thing. Who knows how long it's been hidden or caught. But the government has it. We don't know when or why. We just know that they have it. Cristina: Okay, solved. Jack: They caught some sort of ancient creature. Cristina: That's what they do. Jack: Yes. Okay, now how do they know its capabilities? Cristina: They gotta experiment on it like they do. Jack: But how? Where? I guess we, no matter what, we can make a Space large enough. If we have enough funds, it doesn't matter. Cristina: Yeah, maybe it's where we say the aliens are. What's that spot? Area 52. Area? Jack: Yeah, giant location where it could fire whatever beam into nowhere. Cristina: They're experimenting on it. That's how they make their flying ships. They're not using alien technology. They're using an alien like creature. I guess. Jack: Fair enough. And its energy beam is what taught us about lasers and s***. Cristina: Yep, yep, yep. Jack: Interesting. Okay, so then now the question is, why would they release it? To do what? Cristina: To get us not to not. It's confusing because it has to do with Jesus coming back to life and the rapture. But it's like the government is against Jesus. So I don't know. I try to understand these conspiracies, but it's always something like this. Jack: Okay, well, assuming the whole Jesus thing is wrong and the rapture isn't gonna happen, grounding this in the re. In being as real as possible, what are some reasons the government might release Godzilla? Like, what's a real concern that they would be like, oh, get the people in check. I mean, maybe think about it. Think about it. We got conspiracy project 100% to fight the aliens. No, if some government. That's probably why they show us this movie specifically. Right. It's like, oh, we found this creature is one movie. But hey, he helps us from time to time. Cristina: Yeah, Godzilla sometimes not that bad. Jack: I bet they've always been working on mind control technology in order to figure it out for Godzilla. Maybe. Maybe it's not a creature they can control. So they maintain it tied and sedated because it's like, dude, this dinosaur 00:20:00 Jack: is bigger than most of our mega structures. Cristina: Yes. Like, why are they gonna. It's not to attack us. Like, they don't need a giant lizard, dude. Jack: Also, the size depiction of Godzilla tells us that maybe Godzilla has been around and we've seen it throughout time. Because think about the different scales. Sometimes it's just the right size to fight King Kong, and King Kong is so small, it had to climb to the top of the Empire State Building. Cristina: Yeah, he's not that. Jack: He's not that big. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Other times, Godzilla is so tremendously f****** large that it is the height of the Empire State Building. Cristina: So what are we. What are we saying? It's actual sizes? Then I think maybe the child, if there's children version is the size of King Kong. Jack: And really the adult is what we're holding back. That's the. When we're talking about, we let Some creature out to protect Earth. That's what we're talking about. We're talking about that really big one we're hoping the guy we can control at some point. Because we're going to need it for when the big s*** comes to. When the meteor is almost here. Shoot a beam into the sky. Cristina: Could be okay to stop the, you. Jack: Know, aliens are coming. Start attacking. Fire all you've got. Cristina: You don't think it's like a government thing? Like, they know the other. Every country has their own Godzilla thing. And they're like, okay, if someone releases their Godzilla, then you got the. You got to press the button to release our Godzilla. Kind of like the nuclear crisis, except with monsters. Jack: Then. Then America doesn't have Godzilla. Cristina: Why not? Jack: Because Godzilla's Japanese, Right? Cristina: I don't know. Because I think it comes from us doing the experiment with radiation. Them seeing what we're doing. That created the fear. Jack: But they caught the creature. It's their creature. It was over there. Cristina: So. Or maybe we're attacking them with it. Jack: I have a theory that works with a lot of the world. Godzilla is Japanese, and we have our own creature. Theirs was our fault. Cristina: Okay? Jack: Ours was our intention. Cristina: Oh, what is ours? Jack: I don't know. What creature do we talk about in any manner, shape or form that makes absolute sense as an equivalent to Godzilla? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: Was King Kong our creation? Cristina: I think so. Jack: We have a giant ape somewhere. Cristina: Somewhere does not really compare to Godzilla. Jack: But no, we went to Jurassic Park. We went to. Yes, we went. Yes, we went to Brazil and found King Kong. Right. Cristina: I don't know. Jack: We went to some random jungle out in a different country. It wasn't over here. No, we didn't capture King Kong and bring him over here. We went back to King Kong. Cristina: I know. Jack: We did capture King Kong at some point. That's how he got to the Empire State Building. Cristina: Yes, we captured him from the island he was at. Jack: Yes. But that's the story of how that went wrong. Okay, so is Jurassic Park. Yes, but I think you're right. I think we were like, we can do bigger and better, and we could do it with nothing but money. Cristina: Yeah. So we made not just one many. Jack: We got all of them. We got hella creatures bigger and badder than all your creatures. Cristina: I don't know if any of them compare to Godzilla. Yeah. If you look at the biggest dinosaur and put it next to Godzilla, is it competing? But even if it was competing in size, like, it doesn't have the ability to. Jack: Yes, Godzilla. Some other That's. Cristina: Even if Godzilla was smaller in size, does it matter if it shoots out beams? Jack: Yeah, it's like a pure energy. Like it'll cut, it'll. Cristina: It's. Jack: It's a lightsaber. Cristina: Yes. Like it doesn't matter what we have. No matter how large it is, there's no winning. Jack: I know. You know, like, I don't think it's gonna be. Man, that. That would be nuts. Cristina: You're looking up. Let me see, let me see. Jack: The largest dinosaur was about 85ft long and potentially as tall as a three story building at most. Cristina: And what is Godzilla size? Jack: Yeah. Now the question is, what was at its largest? Cristina: There's many, so. Yeah. Jack: Yeah, straight up. It varies from film to film, but the largest is 00:25:00 Jack: is 350ft. How tall is the Empire State Building? Nah, nah, nah, nah. So this creature was around tall buildings, but it wasn't the size of the Empire State Building. The Empire State Building ain't a joke. Godzilla's tallest size was 350ft. The Empire State Building is a hundred and fourteen fifty four feet. Cristina: Okay. And what was the tallest dinosaur? Jack: The tallest dinosaur was roughly half the size of Godzilla. With our estimate being that the possible for the largest dinosaur was roughly 122ft. But the largest we've seen that we believe can get to that size at its highest point was 85. So Godzilla will s*** on anything. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Anything. How big was the biggest King Kong? Cristina: I still don't think it's gonna compete. Jack: King Kong stands at approximately 104ft. Cristina: That's kind of whack. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: I don't understand. Jack: Biggest Godzilla is three and a half times bigger. Cristina: Yeah. That's ridiculous. Jack: Yeah. He would stop this. Cristina: He's huge and he's got powers. Who is. Who is fighting Japan if this was Japan's creature? Jack: I don't know. Cristina: That's why it has. It can't be. Jack: No. That's why we made so many investments. That's why we made so many. We're compensating. Cristina: I think Godzilla is our creature. And whenever we're not happy with Japan, we release it on Japan. Jack: Oh, s***. Maybe there wasn't a nuke. Maybe we were testing, ended up with this thing and sent that out. Cristina: Yes. And that's why they fear us and it. Because it. It's the same thing. It's us. We are their nightmare. We are Godzilla. Jack: Interesting point. So then the question is, when was the first Godzilla movie and when do we drop the bomb? Cristina: Oh, I bet that the bomb came first. I'm betting I'm betting. Jack: You think the. The bombs hit first? Cristina: Yes. If not, then at least when we started testing had to come first. Jack: Okay. Okay. We found something strange here. The first Godzilla movie. Go, Jira. Literally, the name, how you're supposed to say it, it's like in quotation marks here. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Came out on November 3, 1954. Cristina: What are you saying? Like, it happened a day later or something. Jack: Hiroshima. Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Jack: Was dropped on August 6, 1945. That was 10 years before the 11 years earlier. No, nine years back. That's nine years back. So the bombs got dropped first? Cristina: Yes. And then shortly after they make a movie. Jack: Shortly after they make a movie. Cristina: Yeah, yeah. Jack: And the area was supposed to be radiated for really exaggeratedly long time. That's wrong, though. So now it's common knowledge that, no, it's gonna be livable eventually. Cristina: So you're questioning if it was actually what we said it was? Jack: Yeah. Was Godzilla really released into. Cristina: Yes. What? I don't know. Jack: You think that'd be crazy? Cristina: No. Jack: What if we really. What if? Cristina: Really? Jack: What happened is the United States released Godzilla as a warning. But then the question is, how far apart were these? No, they were three days apart. Cristina: What was three days apart? Jack: Hiroshima. We dropped the bomb on August 6, 1945, and just erased that in Nagasaki was August 9 where we dropped it. This was three days later. There is only one possibility. If what you're talking about is the case, we have more than one. And that's why there are different sizes. The fat quote, Fat man bomb was the big one. Because the first one we let go was called the Little Boy. And the little boy could just be the small 00:30:00 Jack: Godzilla. Cristina: Yeah. And because these maybe are scientific experiments, like, maybe once they do their damage, they die. Like, maybe not leave them. They don't actually live, though. Jack: Oh, like they're gonna be. Like, they're gonna die quickly. Cristina: Yeah, they die quickly. Because they're not really. They're. They're radiated. They're. They're. They're animals, but they're not. Like, why would a radiated animal and all these stories, they stay alive and healthy and everything. Like, that's not true. They die immediately. Wouldn't they? Jack: All the other creatures. Cristina: Any creature. Jack: You mean the Godzilla? Cristina: Yes, the Godzilla. Like, any radiator. Jack: How did we get it to that size if it's gonna die quickly? It would have died long before it. Cristina: Reached that size because we hadn't had it woken up. Maybe. Maybe. Jack: We're finding these creatures, right? We're trapped. We're capturing them. Or we're making them. Did we make Godzilla? No, because we found them. We found them. This is a fact. We found these creatures. Cristina: Yes, but maybe we found their eggs and then we still have. Jack: They still have to grow naturally. Right. Because it's. We've established some creatures, a dinosaur. Cristina: Okay. Maybe they just diabetely out of their environment, Their natural environment. Jack: But they'll be right next to the water. Isn't it from the water that we're getting them? Cristina: No. From somewhere super duper radiated. Jack: No, because they're just. Unless we found somewhere naturally radiated on the planet. Cristina: Yeah, maybe because it's an ancient creature that happens to go into a radiated area that creates the Godzilla. Jack: So the argument is there's a lizard that hangs out in a raid. There's a spot naturally on earth that's always radiated. Cristina: Yes. Or that we turned it into radiated and just. Jack: No, these are dinosaurs. Cristina: These are dinosaurs. Jack: These are dinosaurs. We've established that. That the government had nothing to do with it. Cristina: No. Yes. Jack: So we must be finding these. Cristina: Yes. Jack: There must be somewhere on earth that's naturally radiated. Cristina: Okay, yeah, maybe. Jack: Or are we just finding dinosaurs? There's some kind of unique nessie like creature, basically. Right. But why can it shoot a beam from its mouth? We gotta justify that. That's the radiation we had justified size. I guess more ancient dinosaurs than the dinosaurs were used. So that's really what's happening. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And because of that it was de down. And because of that, like it hibernates deeper down in the planet. Cristina: But we can hear it through Russia because they have that giant hole in the ground that makes really spooky sounds. Maybe it's just the dinosaurs. Jack: Maybe they don't sleep underground. Cristina: What? Jack: Maybe they sleep and live underground. And this is one of many. And they're always down there. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And what we hear through the hole. Cristina: Is that they're just. They live down there and it's radiated. Jack: And then we find. No, they don't even have to be radiated. The size, it just works different down there. Cristina: Okay. It's not radiation. Jack: Yeah. But they. They live around lava and immense pressure. Cristina: So maybe where does the beams come from? Jack: I don't know. I don't know. Maybe it's kind of like they're doing something through the. They learn, they evolve naturally. Being able to do a combination of something with air the way that that crab underwater does that make a small explosion. Cristina: Seriously, it's just. It's. There's some scientific reason. Jack: Scientific reason why it can shoot out lasers. Yeah. If we think about like a way to first create an air funnel. Maybe you have some sort of internal system that works like gills but for oxygen. So that you can open and suck in air from one side as you're simultaneously pumping the air out through a more narrow air. Cristina: So radiation has nothing to do with it? No, that's just the story Japan believes because of what we said we were doing. Yes, they put the scientific experiment to it. That's part of the story because that's the story they were told. But we're just lying. Jack: Or you're right and it is radiation. But then it happened by accident. Yes, and. But no, it wouldn't make sense. How did this creature so immediately after. Cristina: They'Re attacking die? Jack: I mean there's a ten year period. Well, we'll say the nine year period. We'll say a movie started being made a year after the events at earliest and the movie got put out a year later. So two year gap. So two years before it would have had to happen. So there would have been only seven years for that lizard to go from as small as it was to as big as it was. It wouldn't happen. The only way would be if this thing was growing for infinities. Cristina: Yes, it already has to be that big. Jack: It already had to be that big for many, many, many, many year. Hundreds of years maybe. Cristina: So they found it. They found it 00:35:00 Cristina: and then it died. Jack: Yeah. So it's from the center of the earth. It comes out here and whatever trick it could do. But again. Okay, wait, we're trying to figure out this trick. Right? So it has some gill like system. It should in theory be able to open some thing to pull in air and have a different where it's shooting the fire from. Should have some kind of like narrower airway so that if you're pulling in twice the amount of air then you have some sort of a pump and you could shoot out the air continuously. Then that's solid. You could. Cristina: You somehow makes lasers. The air turns and say lasers. Jack: Well, the laser wouldn't exactly be a laser. Maybe that's just a weird depiction and it's not like a lightsaber. Maybe it's more like fire. Cristina: Okay. Like a dragon. Jack: Like a dragon. And so it's breathing this in and kind of like a venomous snake that can spit out this kind of thing onto you or something like that. Maybe. Cristina: Why wasn't Godzilla just a story about a dragon? Because we have so many dragon stories. Why wasn't this just a different dragon story? Jack: Maybe the Japanese don't Have fire breathing dragons? Maybe we have fire breathing dragons. Maybe that's a western thing. Cristina: Japan, I mean, China didn't have dragon that breath fire. Jack: I don't know. I have no idea. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Why you think it was What? Cristina: I don't know. Because like, wouldn't they just say it's a dragon that's attacking us and not some scientific experiment attacking us? Jack: Well, they think it happened after the bombs. Here would be the theory. Right. Grounding this a little farther. We dropped the bombs. Cristina: I thought they were the bombs that we dropped. Jack: Well, this is me adjusting. Okay, we dropped the bombs. No, they have to be the bombs. Yeah, but assuming I'm wrong, we dropped the bombs and the bomb woke the thing up. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It's the only time we've ever dropped these bombs. Ever. It's the only time nukes have been used on these areas that aren't just abandoned islands in the middle of nowhere, deserts that are uninhabited. We're dropping it where there's people and foliage. Cristina: I woke this ancient dinosaur up, and. Jack: It woke this ancient dinosaur up. Cristina: Okay. Jack: That could be why they, like, the bombs dropped. Then the thing happened. So that the. The whole story about the bombs. I bet Godzilla did not attack either one of those two places. What place in Japan did Godzilla attack? Tokyo. Cristina: Tokyo. Okay, that's random. Jack: I guess because it was like a real super mega area. We were just attacking normal civilian areas that had a base, I guess for control, it was military related, trying to calm them down or whatever the h*** we were trying to do. Tokyo? Yeah. So that takes place in Tokyo. So that's a possibility. One of two scenarios explains the attack of Godzilla on Tokyo. Either we dropped two bombs and woke something up. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Or these bombs were the lizards and they wandered off. Cristina: That could also be it. That means. Yeah, I don't know. Because like if we did wake up a lizard up, there was just one lizard. Jack: Maybe not. Maybe there was a bunch of lizards. Or maybe we knocked something down underground that allowed one of these already existing creatures from underneath. But we can go back to the original concept that they. That we, the United States, found a way to go down there and get these creatures that have always been down there. Because we do hear something when we hear down. No matter what, these creatures are underground. How we acquired them is now the question. We found out where they are. Cristina: They're underground. Jack: They're underground. Did they originally pop up in Japan? Or did we go get them probably through that hole in Russia, and then keep them? But how do we transport the biggest one? Cristina: Yes. Jack: Problem. We should have a base where we're finding them. Cristina: Alaska. Jack: Alaska is probably a really good place. There's a bunch of rural places out here. 51. 100. Yeah. Cristina: Area 51. Jack: Yeah. Just holes that go deep. And we just have access to pulling these things up and keeping them around the hole so we can throw them right back down if we don't need it. How are we going to dispose of this s***? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: You know, because we tried. Maybe we tried to dispose of some that went wrong. And that's why we have stories of some coming out of the water. Cristina: Okay. You know, 00:40:00 Cristina: and then still, like, any alien story could be pointed to this creature because it could be more than one creature that's down there. Like, they don't all have to look the same. Jack: Yeah. What are they eating if they all look the same? Cristina: Yeah. So, like, if they're like. If they're dinosaur like, I guess, which is very lizard like, so very alien like. Jack: Yeah. And it's definitely. There's lava if they go deep enough. But I don't think they're so deep. I think they're just deep enough that they don't normally get to us or ever. And water must be down there, too. They're ocean levels. Deep, deeper. Slightly deeper. They're slightly deeper. They're in the gaps of air underneath the ocean. And then we found ways. And we tell people, the normal civilians don't have access to the technology that can take us so deep to withstand that level of pressure. But the government's never going to tell us that it does. And it can easily get down there and it can access these creatures and get to them. Cristina: And then what? Just attack countries with them? Jack: But then this. Yeah. Like you said, one country has King Kong, one country has Godzilla. One country has this thing. One country has that thing. One country found it, used it. Other countries found out about it and figured out how to get more. So chances are we have maybe different countries have different size Godzillas. I got a really old Godzilla that's the size of this. Cristina: Okay. All those different ideas. Jack: I got a really huge moth. Cristina: Huge moth is Russian thing that they attack us with. Jack: Yeah. You know, anybody can have anything and they could be getting it from the same place. You just gotta have the technology to go get it and the ability to. Cristina: Restrain it, which I don't know if anyone does have that, though. I don't know. Jack: Then how do we stop the ones that were. We. We. Cristina: I think you can still kill them. I think killing them isn't like a hard thing to do. It's just like hiding the body and then making up stories to what actually happened. Jack: So you have to be able to control it. You can't just kill it. You got to kill it in the water. Cristina: Yeah. You have to kill it in a way that hide. Like, you gotta. You still have to, like. Jack: Fair enough. So then perhaps still like every alien. Cristina: Story where the government came by, asked a bunch of questions, told a lie about what actually happened, and like, I have a theory. Yeah. What? Jack: Maybe it was one. Cristina: Was one what? Jack: The first one caused small destruction as compared to the second one, the one that caused great destruction. They were both powerful. But what if the first one was Godzilla doing it? Little boy was Godzilla. Cristina: And the second one was to kill Godzilla. Jack: Was the. Kill Godzilla. The bomb. Cristina: Okay. Jack: What Godzilla was doing. We're testing it. We're seeing if Godzilla works. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And then it kept wandering, and we're like, how do we control it? Okay, here we go. Well, it worked. Gone. No proof. Cristina: Mmm. Jack: Two part system. It'll keep destroying more than a nuke can if you just let it keep going. Yes, they tested that on the first one. It'll do. Nuke levels of destruction. And until we decide to stop it, it'll keep going. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Can we stop it? Well, let's find out. Here we go. Boom. Cristina: Okay. Yeah. They have to get rid of it. Jack: They have to get rid of it. Maybe the government has the ability to drop things like this at random. Cristina: Crazy. And it's all the governments. Jack: Then many, many, many governments have the ability to drop some colossal creature onto other governments, onto other countries. Cristina: Yeah, to just attack. Jack: Or maybe not. Maybe it's just a few. Depends who has stories of disability. We're the only people who are like, oh, no, we can't. We control it. It's our thing. We call on that show, we want it. Of course we use it. In the middle of the ocean, nowhere, where nobody knows where the h*** people are. Like, oh, how did the Americans shoot down that boat all the way over there? And it's like, we don't need to. Cristina: Know, but we're still. We're still lying about what it's happening. Jack: Yeah, I bet. If we can't control it. No, man, that's a question, right? How do we. We don't have mind control. We're still trying to figure it out. Yeah, if we could control something that big, we'd be controlling humans long since. Cristina: But there's no way we can. Jack: There's no way we can. So we're not using it casually. That has to be Wrong. We're definitely lying about what happened. But I'm pretty sure we dropped a thing that caused nuke sized damage. Cristina: And then we used the nuke. Jack: And we used the 00:45:00 Jack: nuke to see if that could stop it. Now there's no proof that it ever existed. It's gone. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Evaporated the bones into nothing. Cristina: That could be it. Huh? Jack: Simple. Although I think bones would survive a nuke. They would just be crispy. I have no idea. Maybe if you're close enough, you get disintegrated into powder. Cristina: But like, even if you find the bones, am I still dinosaur bones? I don't know. Jack: Yeah, and that's why the wood. That's my point. Like, it would have to be at a point that it gets incinerated, Right? That's the only way that you have zero. Cristina: Zero proof. Jack: Zero proof. Okay. No, the bones would totally disappear. Cristina: So. Jack: Interesting. If this says the bones of a person would disappear, then the question is to go directly and do the size. How big would a bone have to. Cristina: Be to not disappear? Jack: To not disappear. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Okay. All right. So let's do some breakdowns here. Humans would get eviscerated into nothingness and cease to exist. See, even their bones, which are our thickest, densest part, Godzilla's bones. To scale appropriately to its size, maintain its weight, and be logical according to how gravity and whatnot works, it would be about 20 times thicker than a human bones. Cristina: It's pretty thick. Jack: Yes. Even then, at ground zero, it would be so obliterated into nothingness, vaporize into beyond dust, that there would be no evidence it ever existed. Well, a nuke would erase the existence of such a creature at ground zero impact, you make it the target. Boom. Gone. There's no evidence it ever existed. Cristina: So we could have released Godzilla onto Japan and then murdered the Godzilla that we made? Jack: Yes. We didn't make Godzilla. Cristina: Oh yeah, we freed Godzilla, released Godzilla out to Japan, then killed it. Then they made a movie about it. Jack: Yes. Yes. The argument would be that we dropped a Godzilla on Hiroshima on August 9, 1945. And three days later, in Nagasaki in August 9 on 1945, we dropped a nuke to get rid of it, testing our entire scenario. And it worked. And nobody has f***** with us since? Cristina: I guess so. Except everyone keeps making bombs. Jack: Yes. Because they know how to stop it. Cristina: Yes, I guess so. Because they saw that we were able to stop it. Jack: Interesting. Fascinating. Cristina: So all of those bombs are not Nobody's using? Jack: Nope, nobody's Just a single one. Cristina: And also, it's just too Many. Why would you need that? More than one. They're probably country. Jack: Yeah. These are probably controlled nukes to create small blast areas with the same intense energy in the small area. So if you have a lot, you're not causing widespread destruction. Nobody has shot a nuke at anybody anymore. We're waiting. Cristina: For what? For these monsters pop up. Jack: Yes. And we're efficientizing them. We're always making it more efficient. Knowing somebody might have one of these. Cristina: Things, someone might release one. That's the real danger. Jack: Interesting. Cristina: Whoa. That's so crazy. Because we have the most nukes, but we're the one with the obvious amount of creatures. Most likely, too. Jack: Well, we're not. Cristina: I think we are. Jack: We have so many. Oh, so we're just like you guys. Couldn't release one on us for any reason. We'll drop a nuke instantly. Cristina: I think we also are protecting ourselves from our own monsters. Jack: Our monsters. Their release of their monsters on us. Well, now, here's something interesting. We would be screwed in an attack. Because we're thinking a couple of episodes ago, we're doing where would we get attacked through, right? And like, if. What would we do in a scenario like that? We didn't consider something like this. But if something like this were to happen, the most likely location to drop it off would be in the ocean and let it come to us. So they don't have to put themselves in danger. So they would just get close, but they wouldn't hover over our airspace. We drop it in the ocean near us, and it would find land in our direction. Coasts would be f***** up. The coasts are the way in for whatever creatures dropped in the water near us and for land. Cristina: But why are we dropping creatures in the water? Jack: War. What if we're invading the United States? Cristina: We, The United States? Jack: No, like, people. Humans. Oh, humans are invading the United 00:50:00 Jack: States. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: So Russia is like, yeah, let's attack. What if that's what's happening near Alaska right now? And they're hanging out by the water. Cristina: So that we could throw our monster in the water? I don't know. Jack: They've got their monster. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: There's ships and planes. They're surveying our area consistently. They've probably got their creature underwater in some giant cage, and it's probably imprisoned, tied up in some way, and they're just planning and testing to release it. And they could just release it and leave. They don't have to do anything. One day they just leave. A couple of hours later. A couple of days later, something starts attacking Alaska. Cristina: Okay. Jack: I don't know how Canada is going to protect itself, but I guess Canada would be screwed here too. Cristina: They got their own monsters, Hopefully. Jack: They got their own monsters. Hopefully. Unless the point is that Canada doesn't have a way to defend itself. And the only way would be for us to start nuking Canada to kill the creature. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: Which would create an interesting problem. Would we do it? Cristina: I guess that's why we got so much nukes. Jack: I think maybe that's also why our least defended area is the only access point. Because the least amount of people are around the Alaskan area. It's a transport point, but there are the least amount of people in Alaska. If we had to drop a nuke, it would be an easier decision than if it came up through New York City. Cristina: Okay, you get my point? Yeah. Jack: So we make that the easiest attack point, and that's the only likely placer probably to go. Because then we would just start bombing them or dropping our own creatures on them. So then they have to release it over there so that by the time it gets to the water, I mean, it gets to land, starts destroying things locally, we have enough time to react and attack it before it leaves Alaska. And we never have to catch Canada with our nukes. Maybe that's strategic. Cristina: Weird. Jack: But yes, would make sense and would keep the rest of the United States safe. Over. Militarize. All of it. Agree with Canada. We're going to keep that land mass up there and we're going to make it the least defended. You defend your borders like a. But we can nuke that. If they ever drop a creature. Cristina: Do we have creatures on every border then? Jack: Like, we don't. We don't know. We just know they might be dropping a creature on us and that's why they're hovering over there. Cristina: But they are not in Mexico just getting ready to attack us. Jack: Interesting. You think? I mean, that would make sense. Then that would actually explain the wall a little better. Cristina: Yeah, maybe. Jack: Maybe the wall's point was to stop these creatures. Because the creature might not just be destroying for no reason. It's gonna avoid crap. Cristina: Mm. Jack: It's a creature. If you're not controlling it, that's just doing random s***. You build the wall, it might not even try to go over. It might turn away and go somewhere else. Cristina: Interesting. You know, just then, if we're thinking about that, like, maybe all the walls, but then, like, China has walls. Jack: China has walls. They've been doing it since whatever century. Cristina: We know them because the dragons. So like who had the dragons that was attacking China that they decided, let's build some walls, dude. Jack: Even this really ancient place we were researching, the Indian place, Dwarf or whatever from 9,000 BC, had giant double layered walls surrounding them in the water too. Cristina: And it wasn't even just the land that they were protecting. Even the waterside, man. Jack: You know what's crazy, dude? We've also seen many people were f****** with Camaras. The text said so much about chimeras. Cristina: I don't know because I thought these were natural creatures. But then if you start talking about chimeras. That's not natural. Jack: That's not natural. Unless it's creatures we're seeing now are the creatures from back then that they were f****** with. And that's why it would have these abilities. It would be a creature that is some over like leftover relic, ancient scientific experiment. It's not us like our experiment. It had to get to think about the two problems we were trying to solve earlier. How does it have these abilities? Well, we had to make it. How is it its size? No, I had to age to that point. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Solution. It was made and it aged to that point. What does that tell us? It had to be made long ago. Cristina: Okay, One of these ancient civilizations. Jack: And maybe there's a bunch of. Maybe they're everywhere. Some civilizations go underground. Some civilizations can move things to other planets. Maybe us in current day looking at the moon, saw some s*** we shouldn't have because we know there's theories about the other side of the moon, the dark side of 00:55:00 Jack: the moon, which isn't dark because it gets light, but we don't see it. And like, maybe there's something out there. Maybe that's the reason China wanted the return to that side of the moon. Maybe what we saw was like, oh, crap, we don't want to wake that thing up. Or we saw civilization that was like, you guys don't talk about seeing space because they got their creature, whatever the crap might be. Maybe there's creatures like that everywhere, everywhere. And we're just finding them. Some civilizations went extinct. Cristina: So all these fairy tale like creatures that are monsters are not really monsters at all. But then would we put like you said, the Loch Ness monster, And then there's vampires, werewolves, all those other creatures. The Ninja Turtles. No, whatever. Chupacabra. They're like all just ancient experiments. Jack: No, not all ancient experiments, but they're all scientifically explainable. Just like adrenochrome could be scientifically explained to some degree. We don't know what causes all these different things. But I think. I think none of it is magic. And I think we do have maybe current day proof of weird s***. Things we have seen that more than one individual has seen. And there's some kind of proof, whether it be current day photos and things that aren't considered fiction. Nessie's a weird one. Some ancient other kind of creature that. No, it has to be from the past. Everybody assumes has to be. Scientists are like whatever creatures is. Resembles this thing from way long ago. Except it would have had to be even longer ago. Then Dwarka and then the Elysians. It had to be from like Elio's time. Cristina: Okay, Elio. Was he around dinosaurs? Jack: Am I saying that wrong? What the h*** was his name? Loi. Cristina: Loi. Jack: Loi. It could have been from like Loi's time, but still, that's. No, it had to be from millions of years ago. That's a problem. So it would have still even outdated. Loi. No, if 3 million years ago isn't. It still has to be like 150 million years ago. 3 million isn't that long ago compared to a creature that Nessie looks like. So maybe there's crap so long ago has nothing to do with any of those people. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Technology so ancient, that's crazy. Cristina: If it's still technology evolved, I guess. Jack: It would have continued to evolve, you. Cristina: Know, But I don't know. I don't know. Jack: It could have. So somehow. Somehow science was involved in the making of this thing. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Because still. How are you f****** doing it, then? Cristina: Again. Jack: Again, physiologically. I tried to explain it physiologically. Those creatures to shoot things. We know crabs can make explosions into grounds. Really specific ones. Or. I think it's a shrimp or something. And so that's. Some creatures have superpower. Like things spit acid out or whatever. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And. Or some, you know, throw smoke out or whatever ink out. If you can do some kind of air pressure thing where you suck in twice the amount that you push out, then you can push out through a smaller airway, creating more of a pressure. Because more air through a smaller airway goes faster. You get some range. And if you can have some kind of ignition and put into that air that's moving through some kind of flammable air you throw in, there's gas, some flammable gas you throw into the air that you're pushing out, then you can create some kind of flamethrower like thing. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And if it shoots out with enough pressure, the closer to your mouth it is, the more like A laser beam it would be. And the further away, the more like regular, you know, it's less pressure. Farther off, it's more like fire far. So maybe you can get a nice stream that looks like a beam. If your size is big enough from our eyes. If you shot a fire beam and it was the length of like 30 buildings at the peak of your mouth, it's gonna look like a straight out beam, not like a fire blast. Right. Because you're shooting. Because it's closer to whatever spot you're shooting it from. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It's gonna be closer to the shape of the airway you're pushing the air through. Took it look like a beam. There could be explanations all this weird. So what's our landed conclusion? That there's creatures at the center of the earth that have aged for who knows how long. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Countries have found them, some countries have captured them. And likely evidence of this is that Hiroshima had something called the little boy dropped off that we think is a nuke. But it might have been Godzilla and it created nuclear sized destruction. And that three days later after it strolled off, we threw an actual nuke called Fat man to evaporate Godzilla and see if that could work. And it did. And ever since there has been prepared. Everybody's been preparing, Everybody's been making bombs, everybody's been 01:00:00 Jack: making nukes everywhere. All at the same time, just in case, just for the day. Cristina: That makes sense. Jack: And when people are cryptic instead of just saying nukes. So just saying I'll bomb you. When somebody like the North Korean leader is like, I got a present for you. And he says that to Trump, what he's talking about is, you know, you saw the creature. I show you my creature. I got that for you. Cristina: That's weird. Jack: And leaders know, but people don't. Cristina: Leaders are showing each other their creature. Interesting. Because they don't have to show anyone. But they could. Jack: They could, they could, they could. And people aren't gonna talk. Cristina: Yeah. Weird. Okay. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Trump knows about him. Jack: Maybe a bunch. No, Trump would immediately talk. I think Trump wouldn't be able to hold it. I think he would just tell the world in excitement. Cristina: So you don't think he was told yet? Jack: I don't know. Maybe he was. Maybe what we see and what he is are two different things. Who knows? Anyways, we have solved the possibility. So what's the consensus? Is Godzilla real? I, I only if the government has to show us everything because they're doing some cahoots. Cristina: That's the whole point. Yes. The government is just Showing us things that are real. Jack: Yeah. So if that's the case, then Godzilla is real. Yes, because they have to show us everything. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And then that would explain the proof behind Godzilla being real. Cristina: Because the government showed it to us. Jack: The government showed it to us because. Cristina: Obviously they run Hollywood. Jack: Yes. And history shows that, yes, there was definitely some bombs dropped and people saw a lizard in Tokyo. You know, so we got bombs, we got movies, we got evidence everywhere that something happened that they're not telling us. Cristina: But they are telling us just through movies. Okay. Yep. Jack: And the correct story is In August 6, 1945, Godzilla was released on Hiroshima. Godzilla wandered the island past Tokyo and got to Nagasaki, where he was finally nuked. Cristina: Yes. That is the story. The unofficial true story. Jack: That is the unofficial true story of Godzilla. Okay. I'm glad you guys made it with us through this to discover what really happened here. This was important. Cristina: It was. Jack: We've established details that matter to the people of Earth, and now we know true military capabilities of a lot of countries. It's way worse than a nuke. You wouldn't think so, but if you don't have to keep firing and you can just release a thing that could only be killed if you nuke your own people. Cristina: Yeah, that's pretty crazy. Jack: Yeah, that goes hard. Cristina: That goes hard. Jack: It's just gonna keep destroying until you nuke it. Guys, you got to nuke your own people. Enjoy. Explain that to your civilians later. Cristina: Yep. It's. It's. It's what's happening. Jack: It's what's happening. Cristina: It happened. Jack: Fire. That's crazy. That's such a solid military tactic. I guess that's why bioweapons are really overpowered. You want people to have to attack their own people. That's winning a war. Cristina: That is insane. Jack: That's. Yeah, you won. If you gotta start attacking your own people, whoever did that to you, they won. That's fire. They don't have to worry about themselves anymore. You're too distracted dealing with you crazy. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Bioweapons. Resident Evil had the right idea. Cristina: Again, bioweapons. Jack: The way to go. Anyways, if you guys think that we missed something important here that should have happened as a natural development of Godzilla or some other proof that maybe exists. Cristina: In the world 100% right that we're right. Jack: If you can help us justify this, let us know. Reach out to us. You could do that on our socials, at just convo pod, on Tik Tok, Instagram, on X, and on Facebook, wherever. Just type our name. Cristina: You'll find everywhere. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Remember to subscribe. Right. And review the show. Jack: Yes. And word of mouth is really overpowered. Tell everybody about the program and the fact that we have absolutely given. Given you nothing but solid fact and proof that Godzilla was real and a timeline that you could throw in people's faces and show them, look, this is proof. And when they're like, you're using a weird kind of confirmation bias, looking for evidence to prove your argument instead of disprove it, you tell them what is proof of your beliefs. And they're going to be like, good point. But you're being absurd. And you're going to say, I can back these thoughts up with science. Can you? And that argument is gonna win. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Because they're gonna 01:05:00 Jack: be like, I can't. Even if they know inherently, it might make more sense. In your total argument, you've used nothing but science. Even if applying it only where. Only where very convenient. And ignoring the areas that would make it unconvenient, you'd be the only one in the conversation with science. Cristina: Ridiculous. Okay. This has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Jack: Bye. Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. 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June 01, 2024

Rambling 276: The Point of Gaza

June 01, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

What is the true purpose of what’s happening in Gaza? Do we have similar examples? And if we do, what is Israel really doing and who really are they? The duo now with answers to move forward, evolve the nature of their questioning taking them straight to present day to some astounding revelations. An episode which completely reframes all that is known and reveals dark coming truths for humanity!

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The Gaza Prison State
Israel Origins
Genocide vs Experiment
Who’s the Kingpin?
Prophecies Line Up
The True Big Picture

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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we discuss humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And, like, we've been talking a lot for years at this point, literally.

Cristina: Has that been years?

Jack: It's literally years. It's literally been years. At this point, it's been like two years. Okay, yeah, about the same s***.

Cristina: But I thought we escaped it. We. I haven't escaped it.

Jack: I thought we escaped it, too. I thought we escaped it, too. I thought we escaped it, too. But the lingering question was, right, we solved the bunch, figured out a lot. But there was this question about Yahweh in specific, right? Like, we still don't know a lot about him. And there was a situation about the Tower of Babel that I wanted to talk about before, if you remember. And so the basic premise of that discussion, I'm gonna rush through it because it's useless. I just need you to understand the premise, right? The idea was the Tower of Babel, that Yahweh specifically had a. These desolation guy, and there's a bunch of people who are building a tower to reach him. This metaphor of a tower must have been literally trying to get this amounted or something, presumably.

Cristina: Okay, right.

Jack: And in the text, it says that he switched their language so they couldn't communicate and work together to continue to build it. That was his solution to the problem. But really, when you look at the depictions, the images that were used in description with those in sync with that time, those kind of look like satellites. So it's more like he was destroying their communication and towers and s***. Right?

Cristina: Do you have pictures of this?

Jack: What are you talking about? It was just, like, images and drawings and then descriptions of them and just a bunch of random bits and pieces. But that's not even what matters because. And we've seen this a thousand times in a million different places. It's interesting, but it's actually not the important thing, because the important thing comes down to what's happening right now. Because it's happening right now with simply following Yahweh. Because following Yahweh, one thing came to mind. Whose God is Yahweh? And he's the God of the Jews. Okay, right, The God of the Jews. So I'm like, okay, coincidence, right? Because the Jews and the Israelis aren't necessarily the same thing.

Cristina: Okay, so you're Going back to what we were talking about last episode kind of sort.

Jack: Right. So the Jews and the Israeli aren't necessarily the same thing. Israel is a new concept. Jews are not. Those are two different concepts. Who we identify as Jews now might not be the state of Israel, might be what we discussed. Right. But Jews, their God was Yahweh. Now current day Jews have a more abstract, ambiguous, kind of less directly spoken of God, but it's almost assumed it's Yahweh, but it's kind of like pretty removed a lot of the time. And Yahweh isn't really the God that is addressed even within the Jewish community. Well, Jehovah. Oh, that's a weird little alteration. Right.

Cristina: When did that happen?

Jack: Well, that happened kind of in modern time, generally speaking, all of Israel kind of always not Jews, but the state of Israel itself. Them, they've always been sort of Jehovah kind of people. Not a New Testament kind of people. They still follow Old Testament. It's still Jewish. But he just kind of say Jehovah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that's cool and fine, but old Jews used to say Yahweh. Weird, tiny discrepancy. I'm just pointing that out, you know.

Cristina: But it changes in the first book. The Old Testament?

Jack: Yeah. Oh, the original swap, it was used kind of interchangeably in the first one. In the first one. But the Jews of that time used Yahweh. They used Yahweh. The people of that time used Yahweh. Even if both exist.

Cristina: And the Old.

Jack: Yes, they would. They would defer to Yahweh first.

Cristina: Okay, and what was the other name?

Jack: The other name is Jehovah.

Cristina: Okay, Right.

Jack: So there was still a distinction. They felt one was superior to the other.

Cristina: Even though it's the same person.

Jack: No one's the father and the other is the son. Wait, Yahweh is Jehovah's father?

Cristina: Okay. No, I mean in the book, though. It's not really. It's the same person in the book.

Jack: Well, let me trip you out. The Jews already knew this and have kind of a tree in some form where they've kind of linguistically divided it. They already believe Yahweh is above Jehovah. They don't say one is. They're even related. But conceptually they've actually divided and created a distinction between that within how they explain their religion to people and how they preach it. There's a clear distinction between those two entities.

Cristina: Are you sure?

Jack: Yes. And people have related their sort of explanation of it. To father and son.

Cristina: But those people don't believe there's a father and a son.

Jack: No, they don't. They, the Jews themselves don't use that terminology. That's people trying to relate it to. Like, this is the best way I can explain the same idea.

Cristina: That's strange. Okay.

Jack: Juicer way thought out. They're above everybody. They're essentially following not even of religion as much as what seems to be a literal map of what kind of reality exists upon. They don't believe in a heaven per se. They believe there's a possible maybe something.

Cristina: Possibly something which sounds like.

Jack: Well, it depends on what you do. And what does that sound like? Well, are you going to just dissipate in peace or go to some kind of hellish place which isn't literally h***, it's some kind of other place like. That sounds like their belief. It's just some maybe something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And okay, that lines up. And they're not like, well, we can't really comprehend God.

Cristina: He's just another thing they worship. You're saying people. Yes, but those people are from the sea people. They're worshiping sea people at the end of the day, like did the ancient ones. Were they actually worshipping sea people?

Jack: Worship is our interpretation of it. Keep in mind, when we're referring to gods, the word God ultimately devolves down to the original root of person of intellect, person of authority, elite person of power. It's just with time and losing things and pieces here and there, you don't. People don't see the whole picture, which was our job.

Cristina: Okay. But in the last episode, we decided those were actually shadow people.

Jack: It seems to be that. Yes. That the state of Israel is shadow people. Yes.

Cristina: Well, does that make sense, though?

Jack: It makes sense when they are described specifically as the ones from the other side by everybody else.

Cristina: But once upon a time they had communication with the sea people.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And they were worshiping them.

Jack: No, they're not worshiping the sea people. Where are you getting the worship?

Cristina: Well, they felt some kind of way towards them, that they were above them.

Jack: Yes, they definitely. It's possible that because of the technology. Keep in mind that these are the oppressors.

Cristina: But they still.

Jack: We look at it like they're describing gods. We never said their gods are good to them. In fact, all of these people think these gods are monstrous and will hurt you. The word God does not mean benevolent in any instance, we've used it. And also, we don't even mean God when we use it. Okay, but every time we've used God. All those people think, oh, he's wrathful and gonna murder you. So none of them are like, we worship this guy. They're more like, we're gonna follow his orders. Cuz f*** that.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: You get my point. There's no worship in this old school. People weren't dumb like that. They weren't like, we got a war. They don't believe this s***. People nowadays do. People nowadays are idiots. They're like, no, there was a literal deity or something. These people were like, no. Those people basically own all this s*** that says I can't do anything about it. So I'm just gonna do whatever they want me to do because they don't need me. And it's really easy to get rid of me, so I'll be as useful as possible.

Cristina: But then something happened and that changed.

Jack: The Great War. The unification is what I'm calling it. The great Unification that happened at some point between, just by chance, between the year 6 BC and 4 AD which weirdly enough happens to coincide with the migration of the random group of people. We can tell because of the genetic marker of the J1 that comes from the neck of the Persian Gulf oasis, leaving around 6 BC to sometime around 4 AD and breaking up into three groups that scatter north, west and southwest, landing in Gaza. See, and at the same time, all mention of Elysians ceases. Everywhere the sudden beginning mentions of Israel first happen and we get the invention of the first ever, consistently always foreign own slave state. Now this is incredibly important because of what's happening in this slave state. This slave state is a very interesting location. Again, just following the train of thought of Yahweh, I come to the Jews and then the Jews just happen to be related to the Israelis because, you know, logistically in the same location.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So I then start looking at the Jews because I'm not really paying attention to the Israelis. Really. We just quickly address the fact that they might just be shadow people who joined the group of people who were against the Elysians to begin with.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which checks out. It makes sense as a strategic approach in life. You know, join the people who aren't the. Who are the good people in your eyes as compared to who are the bad people in everybody's eyes. You know, it's a great war, everybody's friends. Yeah, it makes sense. And so the Jews, notorious for definitely not being on the Elysian side, okay, you know, is who these Rayleigh state, AKA a bunch of shadow people who then turn themselves into just normal day humans. It coexists. It makes perfect sense. Right?

Cristina: Right.

Jack: But we have this state. And I think about what we were talking about last time, Right. We're talking about the migration pattern and how it broke up into these three different things. But a question came to me after the episode, which unpacking, the question got really, really, really dark, really, really quickly. Ran. I asked, but how do we know there's migration patterns if we killed them off? And that's the ones that are left, minus the ones that got away elsewhere. Right. Well, what's the migration pattern? It's DNA traces over time. So it took them time, they migrated at normal people speeds. They were trying to blend in. Right.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But we can trace their DNA with current day science. We couldn't then. They had that science, but they knew we didn't.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they blended in the people and made their way out. Hence the slow migration. They impregnated women throughout the time. Some blended in, whatever. They diluted themselves and disappeared into the populations. We can trace where the purity kept going as the line kept moving. So why didn't we eradicate those people? Right. We can trace the same J1 marker.

Cristina: Mm. You're saying those people as in the other two locations?

Jack: Yeah, the other two paths of the J1. A variation of DNA that we don't. We haven't killed those people that have it. But we know we don't follow the migration line. We just know that there is the Gaza line, the Gaza spot and where it began. And we got those other two lines. The two lines. We don't eradicate any of that. And the line in Gaza going to Gaza. No. But we have Gaza trapped. What's the difference from Gaza and those lines? And I had a theory about this. And then when I thought about this theory, I didn't looked into it, into how things work in it. Well, I didn't look into how things work. I looked into my theory and it told me how things work. I'll explain.

Cristina: You looked into your own theory?

Jack: Yes, I looked into my own theory. I looked at aspects of my theory.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Did some research.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And found weirder things about how things work.

Cristina: All right, and what was your theory?

Jack: So current day Israel is holding hostage current day Gaza.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We all know this. There's a blockade. Everybody else is kind of like let it happen, but what's really happening. Right. So currently Israel has currently Gaza just nice and boxed in. And I was looking at patterns. What often does this and for what purposes? Might somebody else.

Cristina: Trap another country or.

Jack: Something like not necessarily Country. I'm trying to remove myself from any idea that might connect back to war. I try to always remove myself to get different perspective. So what paths can lead to it, to a similar look? Well, scientists, oftentimes that's an initial. Once I saw scientists, I was like, let me click that f****** thing right there, bruh. Scientists tend to isolate a specific genetic variant in order to preserve just its evolutionary concentration. Right. What does this mean? We can have a pure version of something that's less influenced by the external world.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Fact, we can trace the genetic markers because of the migration line. Fact, there are two genetic variants, the lines themselves and the B1. B that came from the J1, that exists only in Gaza, which is sort of refined alternative. Just purified there by itself. Not purified, but it's more pure than the rest of us. Just a more concentrated version of the J1. Interesting. Why do scientists do this? Well, they do that to research these specific things. Okay. Yeah. When you have like a creature in isolation, you have less influence from the external world. This is great for genetics and things when you're studying biology and stuff, not when you're studying natural responses and psychology and behaviors. Because isolation is bad.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But you can create sort of a fake habitat and have them enclose within that fake habitat, which isn't really fake habitat. It's natural environment usually just protected from anybody going in or out. Then in that controlled environment, they're sort of less exposed to the outside world, but you still have access to the creature sort of living in its natural environment, staying as natural as possible. And this is usually how we preserve things from going extinct. What does preserving something from going extinct mean? The bird, the animal, the dog, the cat, whatever, isn't going to mate with some other things. It's going to mate with its own kind because it's trapped inside these walls with its own kind and it can multiply into more pure versions of itself.

Cristina: We do that with animals.

Jack: We do that with animals all the time. That's what natural preserves, enclosures are. Animals can keep reproducing among themselves and not diluting themselves. And that's sort of what's happening genetically inside of Gaza. We can tell that the people there have a specific, more concentrated version of a very specific genetic marker. They happen to have started at Persian Gulf Oasis.

Cristina: You think that's important to why they're being trapped in the first place?

Jack: Yes, because now I have to talk numbers again. This was just what, what might look like this in the world. And it led to scientists this Led me to the next point, which is essentially just a numbers question. Right. Once I start discussing the numbers, you're gonna get a lot of where I'm going with this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Right. All right. 7 million humans is one instance. 50 million Neanderthals is another instance. And about a hundred to a thousand alfamers is another instant. These are different variations, different quantities that it took to create different stones.

Cristina: Okay. Oh, duh. Oh, duh. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. So 7 million humans. It's the most recent stone we can, like, track. That was pretty big.

Cristina: How many people are there?

Jack: It's getting to the hundreds of thousands.

Cristina: That feels like not enough.

Jack: Well, let's talk about these numbers again.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It was the most primitive stone we can think of before the concept of our time existing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Before, the concept of our time existing was a thousand. Roughly a thousand. The most could have been a thousand based on what's left in disgust. Elfamers. About a thousand. Very small number. Very primitive. S***** stone.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Very low number. Really good stone. It couldn't make a universe.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Ooh, Kind of interesting.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: 50 million Neanderthals. Whack DNA takes a lot. Stone was so s*****, it took another try.

Cristina: Yeah, okay.

Jack: S***. You know, too whack of DNA. It's.

Cristina: But this is not whack DNA.

Jack: We're going back up, right? Because the most recent human stones was against Jews, right? 7 million. Using the Jews. Right. Using what? Specific Jews. Right. The Jews of Israel. Right. Those are what? Those are just gin, Right. That's a really strong stone. Right. So if you're gonna retaliate, you need a pretty strong f****** stone. Right? But you've always had your f****** ace in your back pocket. And we're talking scales of hundreds of thousands of years. This is a quick retaliation. Oof. Not really. Hundreds of thousands, Usually thousands of years. But yeah, a hundred years is a quick retaliation. It's really, really quick. Okay, so we're talking that these guys are making a pretty overpowered stone. If you're using Elysian DNA to make it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's. Potentially. They're calculating. The strongest stone ever made use is the equivalent of the weapons of mass destructions that we think exists, but secretly in the background. This is the real power. This is what people are really scared of. This is the true fear. And the problem is there's a very reminiscent thought that just happens to be a cartoon that really gives me a really good image of what's happening and why other people might already be stepping back. Because a lot of people stepped back right at the Beginning. And they're like, f***, bro. But why?

Cristina: Seem like some people are trying.

Jack: Yes, but what is the caution? Right? We know. We know a lot already. It's possible that these are just op gin. The tech is already up there. We can't do anything about these people to begin with. But there was a very vivid image I have, if you remember in Full Metal Alchemist, what made the military particularly dangerous?

Cristina: The fake stones. They're not fake, but, like, they had real stones, but they were wax stones.

Jack: They were small stones.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Ring size, like a diamond ring.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Tiny stones. Yeah, but they were real stones. But what about the stones made it great? Then everybody had one. The generals of every group, soldiers had guns, but the guy at the top of every tree, he had a stone. He worked his way to a stone, and he had to learn alchemy and do his homework.

Cristina: I think they just have a bunch of little stones.

Jack: I think we are in a situation where they've learned to casualize the ability to use these stones. And we've witnessed the flex. Like, maybe they've had it. And that's why we've been like, well, we're not gonna do it. They come from the other side, and they just become human. I think since that point, since the formation of Israel, they've had this, and nobody's gonna touch them. And then the first people to try their best to do so. Well, I mean, the state of Israel gets formed after N*** Germany.

Cristina: Right.

Jack: Didn't even exist until then. It's a response to that.

Cristina: Okay, you think they have stones, though?

Jack: I think at that point. I think at that point, they have stones. The state of Israel is controlled by essentially, quote, the generals with the stones, unquote, which are not really generals or military figures, but rather people of importance who have the ability to do real important damage on an interestingly overpowered scale. And that because of this, everybody has always just kind of done whatever. But the moment finally came. They told us, oh, yeah, we'll end this for you, but one day we're gonna do the thing. Because we have to.

Cristina: I don't want to just like, whatever.

Jack: And like, yeah, we're like, whatever. We'll deal with it then solve the problem now. Because we're stupid humans. We're stupid f****** humans. We're dumb. We think so. Short term, it's ridiculous. Part of the lifespan is retarded short. So, like, what the f*** would we do?

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: You know, we think in our. In the terms of our lifespan, they're thinking in the terms of theirs it's not the same to them. That short blip is really tiny scoped. But no, we, we considered our whole life. It's like you're just considering a longer span and you're judging us. But ultimately these guys, no one can do anything. Nobody can do anything. And I think that's the big problem. And right now they are starting to form a really overpowered stone, more powerful than any that has been formed until now.

Cristina: Where? What, what are they gonna do then? What. What's the next step? They make the stone and then what?

Jack: I don't know. We'll just won't hear about them. It'll go back to normal. No, they won't leave. It'll just quiet down. They're gonna get their thing accomplished and that's it.

Cristina: You think they won't just escape out of here or something like the next step like all everyone else with their stones?

Jack: Yes, but not in our time. Time span. We're not going to see that happen. Oh, the next. Keep in mind they're performing at their time span, not ours. We're thinking, oh, within our time span of life. We don't know. We're not gonna see that happen.

Cristina: But it's gonna happen eventually.

Jack: Presumably. Yeah, within a couple of hundred years to a few thousand years or some thinking hundreds of years. Based on the time scope that we see, everything happens within dozens to hundreds. It seems to be the regular time frame of LEAPS. 300 years seems to be the average good jump from one point to another.

Cristina: That's crazy though. That's crazy.

Jack: What?

Cristina: That they're just making a stone?

Jack: Yeah. But it kind of checks out, right?

Cristina: Just waiting for the stone to be made.

Jack: Yeah. And this question was just stuck in my head when I was just wondering.

Cristina: What could they possibly be doing?

Jack: Not even what could they be doing, but why. Why did I know about the. The path of DNA?

Cristina: What did you know?

Jack: Well, I didn't know. I did research.

Cristina: Why did someone know?

Jack: Yeah, why did. Why did ancestry look at this? How did. What was the point? How did they get. Not why, obviously I don't know why they looked at everyone. How did they know that that existed? Right, but what's the answer to the question is because there's people with the DNA. So wait, you didn't kill everybody with the DNA? Duh. So then what does that mean? That means that there's something specific about the people over there.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So then what's specific about the people over there? That's not. You're just imprisoning the ones you could catch. No, there's a. There were a bunch. And you ignored them. You caught some for a reason. And then I was like, why the. What else could look like this? Well, scientists do this to preserve things, to keep things purer, which we can prove because they actually have a more concentrated version of the same DNA. And what does adrenochrome work with? It works with blood.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the higher quality of the blood, the better the stone, which is proven. Although never discussed explicitly other than through the events. But the numbers line up with the events. You need less numbers if you have a purer blood and you usually use a stone and some other kind of thing to try to make a purer creature to then use to make a better stone. There's a process they were always going through.

Cristina: Mm. So there's gonna be something next, then? Yes, next evolution is coming up.

Jack: It depends how long it takes from the stone.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because. Yes, that was the other problem. Right. I'm like, okay, so the state of Israel happens, and then we discuss that, and we ignore the one fact that happens. Following that logic. Well, that group of individuals is what then? Well, the ones who could cross and turn themselves. Those are the elite scientists. That's also why those are the ones we're scared of. Those are currently the strongest, most powerful thing out here. Those are the ones who are gonna take the place of the Elysians. That's why everybody's horrified, too, because what we stopped is starting again.

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: And we're watching it happen. And we know at any moment it could be f****** any of us. But we helped them, and now we have to pay. It's essentially the demon crossroads problem.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I will reward you with whatever the f*** you want right now, but I am coming for you.

Cristina: And that's pretty much what happened. Okay. Yeah. Everyone had a problem.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: The humans came and, like, we can help you.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Oh, crap. Oh, crap. Mel. Are gonna be our problem. And we just got to watch and wait. That's weird. It's really strange. Yeah.

Jack: And it's weird because they didn't even help us stop the Alicians. They helped us to stop the Germans. That's it. They rolled up and helped to stop other humans. It was easy for them to do. So easy for them to do. They did it through the United States. So easy for them to do. Simple. Simple, effortless. Because what? We can push humans around like nothing, but we're coming for you.

Cristina: That's crazy. That's too crazy.

Jack: We successfully spent almost 2000 years. Well, I guess we didn't make it the 2000 years roughly because that was sometime in the 40s and now it's 2024. So you know we, we cleared the 2000 year mark of having suppressed the issue, but we made a deal with the devil and not really. They're not bad people. We gotta continue the thought creatures that can easily do the thing aren't thinking of us as people. That's really all that's happening.

Cristina: We're not equal to them.

Jack: We're not equal. We're smaller, less significant things that could be easily manipulated.

Cristina: Which we were.

Jack: Which we were. And we're still being. So it's pretty cut and dry. And the moment finally arrived then we're watching it happen and we're kind of all shook but talking about in the background like how do we stop it? We can't, we can't just jump in. It would be too easy for them to end it all right now and go start somewhere else. It would be too easy. We invited this in. So how do we think our way out of the problem? First point of action.

Cristina: You have a plan?

Jack: Well, no, this is the p. This is, I'm assuming the world at the moment.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: First point of action. The people of Gaza are f*****. We just have to let that happen. So that's a distraction while we talk, while we plan.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: While we figure it out. That's our timeline. Because one, we already can't stop them. Two once that's done, we'll never stop them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we gotta move to Mars. That's a, that's a possibility for sure. And the fact that. So the, the second thing, I don't know if you've looked at this and we can. If you want to.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Many, many, many, many, many billionaires and high hundred multi millionaires have been buying bunkers and buying seats to go visit Mars.

Cristina: That's not shocking, but okay. What can we do with that though?

Jack: Just all been happening. Buying seeds to leave the planet. Buying seeds to go underground.

Cristina: Yeah, because they know.

Jack: Because they know.

Cristina: What can you do? I don't know. It's very Egypt and my. What's the other people? Males.

Jack: Also how reminiscent of Horizon zero Dawn is the Mayans solution to hiding from the incoming apocalypse that they were experiencing.

Cristina: Yeah. And then the other people that went into space.

Jack: And then the other people went to space. Egyptians.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: No, it always, it's always the same. It's always the same. It's literally history repeating itself.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just away from baseland. That's it.

Cristina: And it's gonna happen.

Jack: And it's gonna happen again. Holy. We're seeing history happen again.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What the.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, that's crazy. That's really cool.

Cristina: That's cool that it happened in Horizon. We didn't even realize it.

Jack: Yeah. That's pretty badass. Good on them. That's fire. That's fire. I like that. D***. And we have neither.

Cristina: Neither. No.

Jack: No. Because we know the base is. That's just happening. So this is getting wiped out. We're part of the you're f***** group.

Cristina: No, we're not. We have.

Jack: Our bunk is not deep enough. We're not like Illuminati bunk. Our bunk is like, meh. Like a good. Like a missile directly hitting our territory.

Cristina: We can hide in one of the many locations where the Loch Ness monsters were protecting those random labs.

Jack: No, that's fair.

Cristina: Is that good?

Jack: Yeah. 100. And we're some of the only people who even know how to reach that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Then that's kind of fire.

Cristina: We have something that's fair.

Jack: That makes a lot of sense. We act fair enough. We actually have a lot of. We could do the spacing too. That just kind of sucks.

Cristina: Does this look. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. Like, we can just use the. The pyramid and like, warp out. But the problem is we sent a whole group of people there and that's just still nothing. So, like. Nah.

Cristina: We could some. No. How could we. Because we haven't figured it out. Travel to the place of the people that are listening to us.

Jack: Oh, crap. You mean Universe Three?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I don't even know how we would accomplish that.

Cristina: That's an idea. Very Full Metal Alchemist, then.

Jack: Yeah. Escape through those means hop through a portal or somehow. I mean, anything. Right? Because what's coming. Ultimately a group of people who are way more powerful than us are going to begin experimenting to advance their civilization, I guess. Or themselves to get out of here.

Cristina: Probably like everyone else. But out of this reality into Althaim?

Jack: I don't even know. Well. What. You pose a different argument, which we're still looking into, which is that it's not just out, but it's also creating universes of their own.

Cristina: Oh yeah.

Jack: And it's like. That's even more valuable because many of.

Cristina: Us do they have to sacrifice to do that?

Jack: How many of us do they have to sacrifice to do that? Keep in mind it looks like earthrealm itself is some sort of farm of elf fame. People of some degree. We're all sharing somehow that DNA. And the lesions are the Purest version of that.

Cristina: It's complicated.

Jack: Yeah. So, like, if you're trying to make something pure and then make a universe, you come here to do it. You leave the shadow realm, you come here.

Cristina: That makes sense.

Jack: And then you find the purest thing here, which are the people of Gaza.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: S***. Just so happens to be where they're at and exactly who they happen to be killing. What the f***?

Cristina: To make a new something. Yeah.

Jack: Just so happens to be what's happening. What the f*** are the odds?

Cristina: It makes sense though, right?

Jack: What the f***? Unless it's the most exact coincidence in all the f****** time. It is step by step what would need to happen. And it is literally what is happening.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So, like, I don't know what to tell you guys. If there was ever a clearer image of some weird supernatural that just so happens to not be. I mean, at this point, I don't even think about it as supernatural. I've. It. I've rationalized it into technology.

Cristina: Yeah, me too.

Jack: You know, like, I've seen enough. I've seen it. We've seen images of literal tech. Our attack, it's just not our tech. It's just not our tech. But it's just foreign enough that it looks like magic. But then we look at it and it's like, well, that guy wasn't shooting energy out of a pot because magic. No, there was a. It was a battery, bro. And we saw it and we saw the inside. It's like, oh, I get it now. And then. Oh, my God, the staff. And he was controlling magnetism and electricity. Well, it was a staff wrapped in coils with a metal rod inside of it. And he was in an area that was intentionally built with a magnetic sphere around it, bouncing electrical currents that he could then manipulate with the rod. It was intentional. Yes. Of course it looked like he was controlling it, because that was the f****** goal of the technology. It's like, oh, with enough time and enough different angles of literally seeing it. Yeah. I no longer see it as magic and stuff.

Cristina: But we're in danger.

Jack: Oh, yeah, We're. We're. We're very. I don't know how we would solve this problem other than leaving, which seems to be what everybody who doesn't want.

Cristina: To bother seems like the problem. I mean, the solution. It seems like what everyone's doing is it's got to be out. No up or down, up or down.

Jack: But I'll tell you one thing. The last uprising worked.

Cristina: The last up. Right.

Jack: Think about it. The last uprising worked. Although these guys Jumped on the opportunity to capture a group of them because they knew what was coming. They knew. Wait, you guys will jump, we'll help you guys. And we're gonna trap this group of people. Anybody can own this s***. But we're eventually going to show up and we're going to establish ourselves and this group of people. We want that this group of people, you need to make sure that group of people 1 stay pure. We don't give a f*** who owns that group of people. It stays f****** pure or we eat you guys instead.

Cristina: What do you mean by an uprising?

Jack: The uprising that happened at the time of Jesus, when the Alicians were first broadcasted to the world their location and that the big war happened and that at that point, these people, these jinn who assisted in the act, who were the shadow gods, they show up and they help with this situation to suppress the Elysians, because they weren't even with them, they're against them. Right? So they roll up, they help the people. We successfully suppress the Alicians, they give one rule for their whole thing eventually. We want that group of people. So you keep that group of people? Yeah, that's why we've seen that their DNA manages to be completely purified, essentially. Well, not purified, but still diluted, but way less than the rest of us. And it simultaneously managed to be owned by different people, which you think it would mix and be diluted. But still with regardless of whose hands it was in, they followed the one rule of that stays pure.

Cristina: Okay, right.

Jack: And then World War II happens, they roll up, help solve the problem. Now we got the straight of Israel, totally unrelated to f****** Gaza. Just okay, but unrelated to f****** Gaza. They're just. Yeah, we're just taking. We just. We just own that now, guys. And everybody's like, well, they just own that now, guys. We don't. Yep, that's what it is. What the f***?

Cristina: I mean, it was theirs before they got there.

Jack: I guess that's the argument. But there's no such thing. Palestine always owned Gaza. Israel doesn't exist. In fact, Israel is a chunk of Palestine.

Cristina: Oh, but how, what can you do about shadow people?

Jack: Well, we know an uprising happened and succeeded at the time of Jesus. And it was for somebody more powerful, so much more powerful that even the shadow people jumped in to assist stopping the problem.

Cristina: But the shadow people were helping us with the sea people.

Jack: Yes, and then they rolled up and assisted for World War II. And then.

Cristina: Are you saying that someone else or something else is gonna help us with them?

Jack: No, I'm Saying that we still managed to stop the sea people. So an uprising succeeded. So an uprising can succeed, but it.

Cristina: Was with help of outsiders. I don't know.

Jack: Yes, but presumably those outsiders at. No, man, I was. My point went out the window once I thought about it right now. Because I'm gonna say those outsiders at that point were about as technologically advanced as we are now. But that's a lie. They were definitely way ahead of where we are now, even. Yeah, by like, a lot. Yeah, maybe not by like a lot.

Cristina: But like, enough from them to be able to change their bodies from whatever they were to whatever we are.

Jack: Like, we're looking at their, like, crazy tech. Yeah, they're like 2,000 years. No. Yeah, because we gotta think that they were really. When we see them swinging some kind of real ham of technology, it's like still 12, 000 years.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's like fog. Okay, so 12, 000 years before we.

Cristina: Get the crisis, hope that the sea people that are hiding pops up and defends us from them.

Jack: Why would they defend us?

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: You know what's confusing about this? Because Jehovah was like, but you're killing the people and giving them the technology. But I guess when you think about it, it's more about we can't harvest them if they're dead. Yeah, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like, why are you killing the cattle, bro? We can't keep killing the cattle, bro.

Cristina: You can't keep killing.

Jack: It's like. Is that. I guess. Yeah, I guess you could still explain it away. Fair enough. Fair enough. I was gonna try to jump on his defense now, but no, he's still pretty horrible because he was f******. Because I'm like, why is he experimenting on us and then defending us? And it's like, oh, no, he's just making sure we don't die.

Cristina: Yeah, you need some of us alive to continue experimenting.

Jack: Yeah. And you can't just f****** give them all tech and then they all collapse. Yeah, the whole line of the f****** equator, except the Alicia. The Egyptians collapse. Everybody. All of them. Except the Egyptians, of course. Of course. Stop, bro. Lucifer, homie. Come on, bro. I know you mean well, dog. Look, look, Dab me up, bro. You know, I. I respect what you're trying to do, bro, but you keep killing them and, like, they're just f****** dumb creatures, bro. Don't give them this s*** and then show them, and then they're just gonna try to kill the next guy.

Cristina: Yeah, it was just death. Like, if it was making stones, at least that'd be cool, but, like, it was wasted death.

Jack: It was wasted death. Exactly. Just trying to make intelligence happen. And it's like, come on, bro, it takes time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or jump on board the project of breeding something that could learn faster, which is what everybody's trying to do. Why are you just trying to. I guess the shortcut. Fair enough.

Cristina: How they're here.

Jack: Okay. I lost a little respect for him. Fair enough. Fair enough. I see the problem. I see the problem. If we're people of honor and everybody else is doing the hard work and this m*********** is like. But maybe one of them will just miraculously work out and then we'll be done and. Except that never really happened. Playing the slow game might have worked out, but why? Because the ones that went to Norway and the ones that went to the Atlantic can monitor us and watch us and see where we're all. We're almost there anyways. Playing the slow game. Yeah.

Cristina: No countless of deaths involved, except for.

Jack: Like, what we caused to ourselves. And now the problem. Showing the shortcuts. Showing up again.

Cristina: Yeah, the shortcut. Yeah.

Jack: Oh, s***.

Cristina: That is always a danger.

Jack: That is always a danger. Oh, my God. There was a good guy.

Cristina: Ooh.

Jack: Well, it wasn't a good guy. There was a bad guy because a bunch of amoral s*** happening.

Cristina: Yes. So you can't really say anyone was specifically a good guy. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. That's fair. That's fair. So there was a bunch of amoral s*** and then one exceptionally s***** guy who was like. But the shortcut to being immoral.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, if a bunch of them died. Cool, man. But some of them will work out. It's like, what the f***?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Yeah, I guess that's kind of s*****. That's pretty bad.

Cristina: It's pretty bad. Yeah.

Jack: He seems. I guess. Oh, man. Lucifer is clever, Right? Because also the way the argument gets twisted by his point of view is he means well. He wants you to know stuff, but he excludes what the cost is.

Cristina: Death.

Jack: Death, most likely.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He leaves that part out.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, it looks. It looks great. When you look, you don't see the results.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Hey, everybody, eat the fruit. You'll know everything if it doesn't kill you. Is the whole sentence.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: You know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's really the whole sentence. Hey, everybody, eat the fruit. You'll know everything. And then he just, like, you know, mumbled the rest of it. Hey, everybody. Everybody, eat the fruit. You'll know everything. And.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, and it's like, what?

Cristina: We had, like, a giant contract, you Gotta accept. But you don't read all the terms. And somewhere in the back it was like.

Jack: And it was, it wasn't even in the back. It was just really exceptionally small and in parentheses and in the corner so it looks like an explanation to some other. And you're like, well no, I, I understood. I don't have to read the explanation because they lie to you. And like the first five times you see that same format of really tiny in parentheses in the corner. It was an explanation. And you tuned out by the third one. But the fourth one, that's the one that was actually the unrelated true clause.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That you never read because you tuned out. You're like, it's more explanations. And that was clear enough. You know, just.

Cristina: That's exactly what happened.

Jack: That's exactly what he does. He's just smart enough to. He's Fox versus cnm. It's the same information. But you know, he decided to just say but I give you information all the time. And like nothing else.

Cristina: He's as bad as our journalism.

Jack: He's. He's as bad as our journalism. A thousand percent.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That is a fact. I mean. But all sides are. Everybody's just painting their picture.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. Yeah.

Jack: We can't trust any of it. We've even come across any of this information grabbing a thousand different sources at the same time and cross reference all of it. Because everybody's lying all the time. Only what everybody agrees on can we say is true. The rest is twisted by everybody.

Cristina: That's a lot.

Jack: Yeah. Basically, if it's about group A, I need to see what group B and C say. Because group A lied about it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it can't. If group A is talking about group B then I can't ask group B either. I have to look at what group C and D believe about the situation between group A and B. It's the only way I can tell the truth. Cuz both those m************ are gonna be biased as f***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's the only way to ever get data.

Cristina: And that's two will also be a little bit biased because they're getting something out of it.

Jack: Yes. They only wrote it down because of the benefit to.

Cristina: So you know. Exactly.

Jack: You gotta get far enough. That's the problem. If you get too far, the information falls apart. And if you get too close, well, the information falls apart. It's just all lies.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So you need to have this medium of like, I'm far enough that it's not just propaganda and I'm close enough that it's not just random gibberish.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So it's like a cohesive. I can get enough at this distance, perspectives. It looks right. And I get a whole image, which is a pain in the a** that we have to do this all the time.

Cristina: But what's our job?

Jack: It's literally our job. What the f*** else can we do? How else are we supposed to get to the bottom of the truth of the situation?

Cristina: Well, we did it, though. I think.

Jack: I think. I think. Yeah.

Cristina: Unless Jesus pops up.

Jack: I don't know. Well, that's the next problem here, Right? And you know what's really weird about it? But it kind of means the Bible's not lying. Let's think about it. Creatures from the shadow realm, what we would describe as h*** in a Bible roll up.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They begin what we would describe as the Apocalypse. Although it's happened before from our point of view, it's gonna satisfy that idea because they're gonna try to eat everything in Earth on Earth. Not literally eat, but, you know, kill us through experimentation and enslave us. And essentially h*** on Earth for just humans.

Cristina: Okay, Right.

Jack: But then Jesus shows up again. Again is the key word, because it would be again. And so him showing up is like, well, I'mma do what? I'm going to save the people. Specifically, who will? His people and everybody else who isn't the creatures that came from our proverbial h***. Weirdly enough, that's the apocalypse in the Bible. What the f***? But who said it would happen? F****** Jesus. The psychic.

Cristina: That. Yes. Okay. So, like, I also know that that's gonna happen.

Jack: Yes. He knew the whole time. He called it all.

Cristina: I mean. Yeah, that's part of being a necromancer. Yes.

Jack: He just. This is meaningless to him. He knows. He just kind of smacked them around casually whenever he feels bored enough to get involved.

Cristina: For that stone. Maybe.

Jack: He's gonna let them make it, isn't he?

Cristina: Yeah, I think so. Because he's also a neutral party after the disaster. And then we're like, yes, finally. He's finally here to save us or whatever. But it's like, it's really for that stone.

Jack: Yeah. He's gonna stop the rest from happening. But he's like, yeah, the Alicians.

Cristina: Yeah. Like he doesn't care.

Jack: He doesn't give a. He specifically hates them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The Alicia. Yes. No stone. Will he ever want more than that stone?

Cristina: The one out of the people he hates the most.

Jack: Yes. He's been waiting for this day.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He probably been casually feeding these Information to come and take that stone, make it themselves.

Cristina: And she's like, this all probably started with him somehow.

Jack: Yeah, he. I mean, so he called it at the beginning. He literally said every part of it and every part is happening. And he. I mean, he said it's the master plan.

Cristina: Well, this is probably how he got the stone in the Shadow Realms.

Jack: Easily.

Cristina: Because he too overpowered. Yes, but, like, the shadow people in that place are probably shadow people he met during that adventure or whatever. Like, how did he get it? Like, how did he walk in? Did, like, what. What happened to those things that were there? Maybe those were his armies. Because we know he did bring back people. He brought back people?

Jack: Yes, he did. He brought two stones and he brought back people. Yeah. It's a craft.

Cristina: Those could be the sh. Those same shadow people there right now might be his people that he brought back in that moment.

Jack: S***. You know specifically who he brought back. Prisoners of Yahweh.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: S***.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Oh, s***. Oh, man. That's on point. Wow.

Cristina: It all goes back. It does all make sense.

Jack: It does all make.

Cristina: It does make sense. Oh, my gosh. Of course he knows what's gonna happen. Those are. He planned it.

Jack: He planned it. Every part.

Cristina: He's waiting for it to happen.

Jack: Not even waiting. He could have blinked. For him, it could have been a split second. From being over there to being at the other end in the future. At some point, I'm like, okay, now let me collect the stone.

Cristina: Yeah, it's all for the stone. And we're just going to be cool with it because, like, it's Jesus.

Jack: It's. Jesus is going to roll up and be like, that was. Yeah, this was part of my plan.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we're all going to like, oh, yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Like, who's going to say anything? Yeah, nothing's gonna happen.

Jack: Yeah, we're gonna be like.

Cristina: People are gonna freak out and we're gonna have, like, people killing each other. Well, yeah, there's no. No one's gonna stop him.

Jack: And he's literally just gonna prove he's Jesus.

Cristina: Yeah, he's not gonna.

Jack: Like, he doesn't care. He's probably, like, I'm sure Hermes consistently all that. He didn't show anybody how to become. That's different. He had to. You gotta be. You know, you gotta acquire the knowledge to learn how to become a necromancer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But I'm sure he gladly showed everybody how he was a necromancer. You know, just like, oh, that's why the Jesus with the f****** walk on water and wine things casually. These guys bringing people back from the.

Cristina: Dead just to show.

Jack: Just for show. Yeah, magic tricks of all sorts. Bread and fish and this and that.

Cristina: And it's like, okay, it's gonna be the Messiah. The show all over again.

Jack: Yeah, man. No, I think, I think. Well, it's complicated, isn't it? He really did plan the whole f****** thing. It lines up.

Cristina: Yeah. He's gonna pop up and talked about it.

Jack: He said, oh, yeah, it's gonna happen and there's nothing any of you could do about it.

Cristina: And like his people, he brought them there. They're not just shadow. They're just not random shadow realm people that said, hey, we're gonna protect you. No, they were his specific shadow realm people that told us that they're gonna protect us because he told them to say that.

Jack: Yeah. And he'll easily get rid of the problem.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: This is effortless. You could control everybody effortlessly. They swear this part. They swear this. This is their plan too, I bet. Yeah. I don't think they're word. They think, oh, we're working with Jesus. I think they think this is their plan.

Cristina: Yeah. He brought them back and they're like, yeah, this is what he wanted and that's it. But they're not questioning why. Or maybe they are, who knows? But that's so crazy because he knew and they're not gonna do anything about it.

Jack: No, it's nuts. This is crazy, man. He specifically saved the prisoners of Yahweh, which are the Jews of Yahweh. The tide with Yahweh. He was just. Yo, that's crazy.

Cristina: Then they have to know his plan. They are not just protecting those people out of an agreement to make them into stone. Like it has to be because Jesus want that. And they know the plan is to turn him into a stone so Jesus can have it. He saved them. The he. They must have a deal with him. He's the true devil at the crossroads.

Jack: Yeah. He is the devil at the crossroad. He's the top of it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh. Oh, d***. That makes perfect sense. Well, whatever. We are out of time. But crazy.

Cristina: I understand why the people were afraid. Now we see it.

Jack: Now we see it. Now we see it.

Cristina: Them.

Jack: Yeah. Well, that group of sea people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We might actually see the whole situation.

Cristina: That might be the step to the end of all of them. The first step to the end of all of them.

Jack: Well, it depends, because we still have the people, the sea people at the bottom of the island. They still had the same amount of time to work on their tank.

Cristina: They don't have a stone made out of themselves. That's the most powerful thing I've ever imagined.

Jack: S***. You're totally right. You're totally right, Bear.

Cristina: He has so many. And then he's gonna have this one.

Jack: No, to be honest, the other problem is. No, let me. S***, we gotta get out of here. But you brought up so many points. No, no, no. Let me f****** address this real quick because you're totally right on so many cases. First, the Elysians don't have a stone. Jesus stole all of them. After somehow the shadow people acquired them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The Elysians have no stones. First problem. Problem number two, we're just talking about the ones we know created. But keep in mind we know about others. We're not even addressing twin towers going down. That was definitely one being made. Same people on both sides involved. World War II. Same people on both sides involved. It's always the same groups of people always making the same thing. And so we're assuming all of these stones are owned by the same people at this time.

Cristina: Which is Jesus.

Jack: Which is Jesus. Afraid, like. Yeah, there's no chance. You're totally right. There's no chance any elation is stepping up. There's no chance.

Cristina: Jesus has been making stones all this whole time. All these things have been. It's just him and his people that he has here, disguised as us.

Jack: Alternatively, desperate times, desperate measures, they went into two different directions.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: The people who went west can definitely at this very moment be making pure Elysian stones. If they've gone mad with the need to retaliate. A caste system naturally evolved, and the bottom of the caste system is still equally pure DNA. But now you're the people who will be used to create stones. I'm sure a single Elysian stone, a pure one person Elysian stone, is quite powerful. I'm not saying super, but I'm saying equivalent to like a weak human stone. I think if you have an entire caste system that you can throw, say a hundred thousand people into and say you guys are all the stone and they already have a stone. Assuming they would devolve into that. We don't know how big the civilization is down there. Yeah, it would have had to expand underneath the water over 100,000 years, probably quite significantly. So who knows?

Cristina: Who knows? It's possible, but we don't.

Jack: Also, is Bioshock loosely based on what's happening there? Just saying. Anyways, totally random. Just thought about it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah. Mad stones. And I Don't even remember what my other point was.

Cristina: The Elysians might be having a plan, a backup plan.

Jack: Oh, s***. The people who went north, that's the backup plan. Because what's north? A group of what?

Cristina: Nepalem.

Jack: Nephilim. Is anything more f****** overpowered than a pure clean nephilim, which is a clean 50.50cut of human and deletion DNA.

Cristina: But that is what Gaza is.

Jack: That is not what Gaza is. Gaza is more diluted. It has to be 50. 50.

Cristina: Has to be 50. 50. Okay.

Jack: And that is what exists up north. If they trap and isolate that, then.

Cristina: They have a nice stone and then.

Jack: Breed that over the same amount of time. Keep in mind these groups of people are thinking in their time scales and.

Cristina: We don't know why they didn't stop. Like, we know that they know about those people, but haven't done anything to them, so it could happen. They're just letting them breed in that one specific location just in case of. Yes, there was always a backup. Okay. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Okay, so just theories, you know, just talking about things. There's direction here.

Cristina: Interesting. Interesting. What? What? Craziness. Okay, so there's more. It's not just an easy word for Jesus.

Jack: At least.

Cristina: For Jesus, at least.

Jack: Yeah, there isn't. And it's definitely. You know, it's gonna get crazy. It's gonna get wild in some time.

Cristina: Okay, well, we can all just wait until that happens, I guess. I don't know. Because no one has a real plan anyway.

Jack: And, I mean, I'm sure the plan is being worked on.

Cristina: Besides the people that are trying to escape, everybody.

Jack: Yeah, I'm sure there's people trying to escape. There's the possible retaliation from the Elysian side, but we might. Ha. Man, if there's a can't. It sucks either way. It sucks either way. If this is real and this really happens, it doesn't matter who wins. We're f*****. It would have to be Jesus wins. If the Shadow People win, which I guess. No, it's Jesus. No, it wouldn't suck both ways, because Jesus would stop the Shadow People. They've. They're gonna be tossed away. Easy. He explained that plan. Yes, but no, he still knows what's gonna happen. The Alicians can't beat the plan. They think they can. Yeah, but he saw that fail too. He saw their plan. He saw their plan. He's a necromancer. He knows it worked. He's been on the other side. He saw it. That's why it doesn't matter.

Cristina: I don't know. Maybe he hasn't seen that specific plan.

Jack: Everything has come true. That's overpowered. Come on. That's pretty.

Cristina: Maybe they're so secretive about that plan that they don't really have that as a plan.

Jack: But how? He's psychic. He could just. He still knows that.

Cristina: That could be.

Jack: Unless they're somehow blocking it out.

Cristina: Yeah, they can't. I don't know.

Jack: Well, I still don't know if his psychic ability allows him to zone in on people like that, but I don't know. Anyways. Anyways, if you guys. Yeah, there's a lot. There's too much. If you guys have any information that you want to give us on any of this, if you guys have any perspectives or data or any. Anything you want to talk about, you could do that. Hit us up on our social medias. You can communicate with us doing that at just Convo pod that's on Tik Tok, Facebook, Instagram X.

Cristina: And remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And word of mouth is the most overpowered thing that's existed in all of history. And look, I always think this s***'s almost ending, and then another door opens and then it's infinite.

Cristina: You'll never do. Never close. It will never close.

Jack: It will never close. And it makes only more sense as time goes by. It's maddening.

Cristina: Yes, this has been the Rambling podcast. Take Nothing Personal and thanks for listening by.

Jack: Sa.

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May 25, 2024

Rambling 275: Nazi Israel's Genocide of Palestine

May 25, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

If no one agrees with the actions of Israel, why haven’t governments picked up arms to protect the lives of the innocent? Why is Egypt not stepping in by force to protect Palestinians forcing Israel to withdraw or accidentally attack Egyptians providing aid? Why has Gaza always been under the leadership of foreign governments and powers? The duo unpack one of the greatest mysteries on Earth and discover it connects directly into current world events. This is the story of how the the Nazi Israel State’s Genocide of Palestine and Gaza connects directly into the ancient history of the Elysians and the World War that took place at the birth of Jesus Christ.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

What is Gaza?
The Mass Migration to Gaza
World War 0
Elysian Genetics
Who is the Bad Guy?
The Conclusion of the Elysian Saga

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And today we are. I'm even dodging the intro. We don't got time. Today we're gonna do something really weir. I did a lot of searching and then I took it to an AI and then I spoke to that AI and we shared information. I took it to the quantum computer, shared information with that, found some interesting things, then brought it back to the AI, through which I kept discussing all the additional details. Now, all of this is extremely important. What we are discussing today is the Aletians, but we are discussing way more than that. We are discussing a bigger picture. We are discussing potentially what happened to them with maybe proof. Whoa. And who they are. Who they are still on Earth at this moment, their descendants.

Cristina: Okay, okay, okay. So I will have questions answered, though, while with this too, about.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Like other things we've been wondering about.

Jack: Okay, so we're gonna begin with some couple questions. We're gonna literally just hear the computer tell us. Okay, so I'm going to go ahead. Let's see if I can choose a nice, pleasant voice, perhaps come over here. You're going to sound like whatever this is. And then we're going to go over here. And so this begins. And my questions are based on just trying to find the original mention of Palestine ever. So my question is, when is the first mention of Palestine? And the first mention of Palestine shows up roughly around a hundred. About. Around the year 1155 B.C. okay, right. So Palestine doesn't. My intention in originally searching was mainly to find out what is happening in Gaza. I have many, many theories about what's happening in Gaza, and I know too much about things that I've seen.

Cristina: And you think it's related to this?

Jack: I think it's very related to this. I think the situation. In fact, let's frame some of this. I guess it's really important. The idea is that it seems that suddenly at some point in time around the year 6 BC to around the year 4 AD corroborated by. Seems like almost every record you could come across. And between those two points, there seems to be two things that happen. A massive war that seems to almost not be spoken about. You find mentions and shreds of it everywhere. Everybody experienced it, no matter where the h*** they were almost on Earth. It doesn't matter where they were.

Cristina: They.

Jack: The war happened, but it was Almost not discussed, mentioned. You see an image depicting that moment in time, and it'll be a giant army.

Cristina: And there's like, World War we called.

Jack: It one, but there was there. You'll see images, hieroglyphs and drawings, cave drawings and things of, like, a whole army and just be one. And it'd be referencing a very specific event that seems to line up. You'll find texts that mention, you know, the importance of a day that's usually very focused on this period of time. And then suddenly, again, no other reference. Almost like the acknowledgement matters, but don't go into detail. And you find it everywhere, the same specific period of time. In the Greek documents, it seems to be somewhere between about 5 BC and about 5 BC AD and in Egyptian documents, it seems to be around 7 to around 5 as well. And so when you average, there's kind of like a middle ground that kind of. It all falls into that. There's something epic happening. But you also have the same thing happening over there. Maya, they are always also talking about this sort of giant event.

Cristina: Maya.

Jack: Yes. In a lot of places, there are things like this that have been considered the apocalypse event.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We've read some. In the case of Maya, there we went. We used. We did that with their calendar for the modern day, where we were like, oh, 2012 is going to be the end of the world, or whatever, because their calendar ends. And so it seems like this special period of time that everybody's talking about might have been construed by humans the same way as we lost the meaning of what they were talking about and just assumed that they had an apocalypse day or something that was going to happen. But that's incorrect. There was a war. Everything is people preparing for war.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's just really weird that's happening in that period of time. Now, what else happens in that period of time? Two giant important events.

Cristina: Jesus's birth.

Jack: Jesus's birth.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And the disappearance of the Elysians.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah.

Jack: Both coincide in that one giant period. Period of time. Now, that's crossing pure mythology, pure scripture, and pure records to come up with the fact that they all, even within these different mediums, all talk about the same point in time. So not only that, we bring actual records that exist, but now just looking at mythology, well, Jesus was there, too. And looking at religion, well, we got the events of the. Well, I guess it's the other way. Looking at religion, we got Jesus in there and looking at mythologies, we got Hermes in here, and we got the Elysians in here. We got events happening, weird things happening, okay?

Cristina: But you know, there's a fight that's everywhere. We don't know with who, we don't know with who.

Jack: We don't know with who. And that is sort of a really important detail because is who's on what side. But there is a huge war. So my focus became Gaza. Right?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Something is up with that. So one of my questions becomes. I don't even know how to put this because I've run out of ways to look for things. I have gone into the etymology of what things originally meant to find out what people meant about things as you know. So I'm going to give you some definitions of some things. Okay? First, the first mention of Israel was somewhere in the year 1200 or so. That's not like a real thing. That was made much later.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Israelites shows up in the Bible, but Israel does not. Okay. Very important things to say. The origin of Palestine. The term Palestine is the word philistine, which is Greek or Latin, if I'm not mistaken. But what it literally translates to is a person who is hostile or indifferent to culture and the arts, or who is or who has no understanding of them. What Palestine is in itself an insult. The term Palestine is calling somebody an ignorant a******, essentially.

Cristina: Okay, right. How did that happen?

Jack: The people didn't name themselves that. Somebody else named them that. But why?

Cristina: Oh, yeah, why?

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Why did they keep it?

Jack: Something weird. Yes, you're asking the right questions. You're asking the same questions that got me here. Those are the right questions. So Israel comes to exist later as a place. Palestine did exist since the year 1200 BCE or so. Okay. So it's been around, but it was referred to as this thing, right? Now, if we look at Palestine throughout all of history, no matter how many times it changed hands, it was never being ruled by a Palestinian. It was ruled by the Romans, it was ruled by the Jews. It was ruled by Greeks, by Israel. The blockade is controlled primarily by Israel. Now, in every one of these instances, that place was a place of contention, a place of consistent battle. Most battles were fought over Palestine. Specifically. Specifically the Gaza Strip. Weird coincidence.

Cristina: There's something there.

Jack: Well, I went to look to see, like, does this place have astounding natural resources or something? No, it's kind of average for the Middle East. But here's a giant list of people who kind of ruled over. We have the Egyptians, we have the Assyrians and the Babylonians, the Persians, which is the one we're particularly familiar with. And the point in which Persia was in control of Palestine just so happened to be between the predicted beginning of it just so happen to be between the two points that we are discussing. 6 BCE and 5 AD. What a weird coincidence when Persia has the Gaza Strip. Interesting, interesting, interesting.

Cristina: What does it mean?

Jack: What does it mean? Right, so it begins. We. It. It takes over, right? The Persian Empire takes over and immediately things start to fall apart. Weird. I don't even know, man.

Cristina: But what falls apart in Persia?

Jack: Yeah, well, in this specific region, right, because they take over and then what do we have? We have the Persian Empire that gets in control. And my bad, I'm saying this totally incorrectly because I'm looking at the information and confusing it as I'm looking at it.

Cristina: Oh, there.

Jack: The Persian control ends at that point in the period of 6 BC to 5 80. So it begins 600 years prior.

Cristina: But it stops.

Jack: But it's around stops around the time that Jesus is born. Persia loses Palestine around the time that Jesus is born, which falls in line with some other things. If the big bad leader leaves the territory, then it's a free for all and anybody can grab what they want. But we know, presumably the Elysians move. Yeah, I then look at the mass migration lines. This was the next part. They moved, they left.

Cristina: You talking about the Persians or the lesions?

Jack: Okay, Specifically the group of people. I need to be general when I'm talking. Right. So it's the group of people who happen to be in the neck of the Persian Gulf, specifically, that we can, through records, track a migration line of people who settled there. Because obviously we can't go to a record be like lesions. We can only find them in scripture and we can only find them in mythology and a few records that mention them. But it could have been influenced by mythology or whatever. Yeah, but the people who were settled at the neck of the Persian Gulf, we can find their migration lines. And weirdly enough, their migration lines split into three parts, one of which goes right into the Gaza Strip.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: We can follow mass migration far west, we can follow a mass migration north, and we can follow a migration that begins in the Middle east and ends in the Middle east at the Gaza Strip. All three lines starting at the neck of the Persian Gulf. And it's mass migration. We can follow a huge migration pattern that happens to three different locations. We don't know where in the west the other one is, but we can theorize the easy one. And we don't know where the one north is. But we have other stories Corroborating where a group of people might have gone north too.

Cristina: Well, like in Ireland. No, Ireland.

Jack: The Norway in that area up there where it seems to be really weird. But then we have the one that goes to the Gaza Strip. How weird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I think we've gotten the story wrong the whole time.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Because a giant war happens at that same time, and we have one mass migration that happens, and then that mass migration isn't unified. It breaks up into three parts, and then one of those parts ends in the Gaza Strip. What's the Gaza Strip?

Cristina: Right this very moment, Isn't it Gaza? I don't know.

Jack: It's a prison.

Cristina: Oh, it's a prison.

Jack: It's an open air prison. Oh, they can't go anywhere, right? From every direction. And nobody helps them, no matter who at any given moment helps them. We keep saying so, but the leaders know something, the people don't, and they just don't. Everybody just kind of steps back, okay?

Cristina: It has to do with them being related to some deceived people.

Jack: Well, the next part of this dives into genetics. I was looking at genetic records and I was trying to find what exactly is the difference between the people of the neck of the Persian Gulf and people anywhere else. And I find that they have a very specific marker for a really, really, really primitive, different branching type of caveman. So we're familiar with the Neanderthal that a lot of people have DNA of. That's the majority of people. Oh, no, my bad. That's the minority. Then the majority of people have the Denisovan genes, which is the other thing. And some people have spikes of that, you know, so we have. We're make up of variations of these two types of things, okay?

Cristina: But they have something else.

Jack: There is a group called haplog group J1Y, D, N A. And that group is very, very, very, very specific because they just happen to have a. Just like humans, you know, natural evolutionary path. They are human. Not to say they're not human, but natural evolutionary path. This primitive ape since before the Neanderthal, just two primitive different apes that are, let's say, gorillas, almost identical. They literally split off at a point that they are like gorillas, almost too.

Cristina: Close to us, okay?

Jack: But in that time, this one DNA group goes and is affected in isolation without mixing with anything else that came from its original group. So it can't breed with anything else. It remains diversified within itself, but pure from any of its other ancestors. It doesn't remix, it keeps branching off. Once they Leave where their species is now. Their species that they abandoned will evolve gradually, but the travel alone will force a natural selection process that will continue only the best to survive. The best to survive. And those will pass the children on, over and over. It's a speedier process than the ones that stayed behind. This group that went traveling begins evolving faster and faster and faster and faster in isolation, away from any other ape. No other apes, just this group. Now, this group eventually breaks off itself in isolation into a second group, which is haplogroup E1b, 1b, which is a Y DNA as well. This is the, weirdly enough, almost identical DNA of the Palestinian people today.

Cristina: How did you. How do you know?

Jack: I had to read a lot of DNA logs and a lot of ancestry files to just find different DNA patterns around Earth.

Cristina: But the way you said it, it makes it sound like they can't mix with people.

Jack: No, no, no.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The way you heard it, for some reason came out like that. But I specifically said that they left all of their species. They can't mix with other species. They left their species and they went and evolved over there in isolation, away from their species. So they're not gonna go f*** a tiger and successfully mate. That couldn't happen. And there's no other apes out there, so it's not that they can't mate. There's just no other race within their species they can mate with other than themselves. Because they migrated away. They went to where apes have never been. They are the first apes there.

Cristina: You're talking about the sea people.

Jack: I am talking about the. I've not mentioned the sea people. I'm talking about the people from the neck of the Persian Gulf. Oasis of the Persian Gulf. And Palestinians that are the second group. And the Palestinians are the only people on Earth who have that second DNA strand that came from the first DNA strand in isolation. No one on Earth else has that. They were.

Cristina: But they can still have children with other humans.

Jack: Yes. I don't know why you think they can't.

Cristina: Okay. I don't know. The way you're saying it sounds like they can only. I don't know. The whole way you're trying to describe.

Jack: What part is making you think that? Because then the listeners might be thinking that, too. I need clarity. Hatton is important. Ask the right question so I can clarify.

Cristina: You were just explaining I don't know. It sounds like. I don't know. The ape can't have sex with a lion. Tiger.

Jack: That is correct.

Cristina: I know that. But what does that relate to anything.

Jack: Well, you said they can't reproduce with other things. I'm saying no, they just can't reproduce with things that aren't them.

Cristina: But that would mean we are them.

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: These are saying they can't reproduce with other things that are not like them?

Jack: Yeah, we're like them. Yes.

Cristina: Okay. That's all.

Jack: Yeah, they're just a different type of monkey like we. Okay, that's what I'm saying. Like Neanderthal. This is just another group. They're still apes, okay. They're apes that went elsewhere and can't mate with things that aren't apes. So they're just with themselves. Without more variation, this one specific group, without the variations that are gonna happen in the climate around them, they go in isolation. And in isolation means there's no influence from any other ape. And they are in close enough quarters that they cannot widely expand and become different variations of themselves. So it's not like they have both a mountain and an ocean and they spread out and live in an island with a mountain and an ocean. And so the people by the water turn into something after a couple of thousand years and the people up in the mountains turn into something else. That didn't happen for some reason. Where they went seemed to be an exact climate everywhere, an exact condition everywhere, island like and entrapped, so that they would evolve without any variation and keep it pure as they combat every other element that there is, animal wise and actual, you know, weather wise. And so they go on a crazy fast evolutionary track because of this sort of purity that's happening, that they just so happen to split off with normal apes. They were just normal apes, literally the same thing. And then they go. And that pace is crazy. Now, keep in mind, we understand that the Elysians move significantly slower than humans do. That's almost the feature that makes humans interesting, the fact that we move really, really quickly. So why is it that that ape was moving so, so fast? Well, that just so happened to be environmental conditions that were forcing it, like I said before. Right. So we know that they have the ability to. Or are we looking at crazy long scales?

Cristina: What do you mean by crazy long scale?

Jack: That maybe what I'm discussing is happening in such an exaggerated long set of time that now we're talking millions of years. And in these millions of years, we know that we have literal titles that seem to stretch out for like, infinity as long, like, how are you 3 million years old? This doesn't make sense. So we have weird situations like that that maybe some of These stories began being recorded by these very exaggeratedly primitive creatures and that became the basis for their religion. So little by little these titles and names became as a grunt, but then that same grunt. A good way to think about it would be if you consider the episode of Star Trek that had the story of the dragon and the slaying the dragon and their whole language and their whole communication style and everything they've ever known was about this dragon.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it was almost impossible to communicate with this race. And what we're struggling with in understanding they're the things they've said is because their entire way of communication has been built on the sort of narrative of the first of them and sort of retelling the narrative of the first of them. And some people learn to crack this communication. Special humans who are exceptionally intelligent like Hermes or under individuals who could sort of pierce communication with this other hyper advanced thing. Or maybe they were learning to communicate with us, I don't know. But that would explain having a name that seems to stretch millions and millions of years.

Cristina: What was the name?

Jack: Loi.

Cristina: Oh, Loi. Okay. And I thought you talk about the creatures that are in, I don't know, the sea, the original sea people.

Jack: That is literally what I'm talking about. Because that would be Loi.

Cristina: But you're saying that he's not living forever, it's just the story.

Jack: Well, we already believe that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That Loi is a title moving forward through time.

Cristina: But they're getting it from that location is what you're saying.

Jack: I'm saying that there seems to have been a person named Loi at some point and that maybe because we see it through millions of years mentioned that perhaps this millions of years of mention is the mention of the same first few people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that anything and everything continues to be built on that. And that we're just witnessing and strange communication style that only some people learn to pierce. And those people would end up working with the Elysians. But that's just a theory because the point being that this group split off and then broke off into two parts. One part becomes lost, the J one that is existent and we can see through fossilized things that this existed and this was real and went extinct.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now we don't know how far they got. We just know that's the point that we see the end of that creature and we haven't found any future version of it. Minus the E1B 1B which is a variant of the J1 that split off and those are the Palestinians.

Cristina: Oh my Gosh.

Jack: Okay, so the people from the neck of the Persian gulf are the J1. The variation that split off are the Palestinians.

Cristina: E1B1B. I don't know.

Jack: E1B1B.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And these are just genetic markers. They happen to originate in the same spot, are shared by nobody else on Earth, and happen so far back that it predates humans, it predates Neanderthals, it predates the general idea of cave people, and would have led to a rapid evolutionary path that suddenly seems to disappear. It doesn't seem to break off into anything else and is not shared by any other creature. It just whittles away and we don't know where it goes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Weird. People of Gaza, or specifically the people of the Gaza Strip, specifically, are those people born there?

Cristina: Are the ancestors.

Jack: Yeah, people who are origin from there share that DNA primarily. Weird detail.

Cristina: Yes. But is that why people want that? But is it because they want the people? What's.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I couldn't answer it. But that's very interesting. Right. And it brings up a lot of questions like what the h*** is the connection between those two things? Why do you guys have this if that broke off at some point in the past? Right. Well, there's a theory that might explain this. The people that broke off and went to the Gaza Strip. Why'd they go to the Gaza Strip specifically?

Cristina: You have an answer for that?

Jack: No. And then you look at the genetic deviation. The only place that exists is in the Gaza Strip. That's where it originates from. So the people who left the neck of the Persian Gulf went to the place where the only other place that already shared their DNA identically. Weird. Right? Or the people we see in Gaza now are literally the people who left the neck of the Persian Gulf and we're seeing their ancestors in Gaza.

Cristina: I thought that's what the case was. What's the first option?

Jack: That the people from the Persian Gulf went to where the deviated ape landed and evolved, and so they go to where their DNA already was. Or.

Cristina: That's too random.

Jack: Yeah, that's weird. Or the people from the Persian Gulf get to Gaza and then we're seeing their.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Descendants. Yeah, they are the ancestors of who we see now. And so they share this very specific marker. There has been. Hello. Wars over that place, as we've discussed. There has been. Israel in particular, seems to always be in conflict with Palestine. That is a tug of war throughout time.

Cristina: It's not some religious reason.

Jack: That's always the excuse but when is that ever the. The accurate truth of the fact, you know? So have to give you a little bit. So coming back to etymology. We know what Palestine means. They treat it and discuss it like a prison. But we know that the people from the neck of the Persian Gulf, a part of them went there. We also know at that same moment, Jesus is born. The Palestine is lost by Persia. And we know that. What else do we know? We know we got a great war.

Cristina: Jesus is born, and those people went.

Jack: The migration. We got the migration that lands at Gaza.

Cristina: Is that not all we have?

Jack: Well, yeah. Well, here's where it gets. It's gonna get a little weird because who are the other side in this deal always with Palestine.

Cristina: What deal?

Jack: Well, the problem.

Cristina: Okay, who is it? Misrule.

Speaker C: Yes.

Jack: And Israel is populated by Israel people.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Religiously speaking.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: You know what Israel is religiously speaking?

Cristina: Jewish.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Whoa. Okay. Yes. There was no. Not even like, close answer to be second.

Cristina: Okay, what was this? What's the other people then?

Jack: Palestinians. Those are. They're Islam.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're Muslim. But because of the problem happening there, we focus on Israel. We got enough from Israel knowing that they're calling that a prison. But wait, your own terminology is that. That's prison. Weird. People don't know what Palestine means, but Palestine means prison. The Jews are saying that the people there are their prisoners. Interesting. Okay, this is just going back to original language. What they originally meant by the word, what the original use of the word was. They were calling the people there their prisoners. But Israel happens in the year 1200.

Cristina: What's going on? I don't get it. I don't get it.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we got to go backwards because if Israel is calling it that, really, we're just talking that the Jews are calling it that. That's why it's more important to say Jews. And the Jews speak what language? Hebrew. Okay. That's the Hebrew word for prison.

Cristina: What was the word again?

Jack: Palestine.

Cristina: Palestine. Oh, yeah, that was something else.

Jack: It literally becomes the word philistine.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And philistine means hostile, indifferent culture of people who are essentially ignorant.

Cristina: Mm. I remember all that.

Jack: All of that is what they're referring to. The Gaza Strip, which is a walled in place. So either they're referring to them as just that place with animals, or that's just the shithole we put things in.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which essentially a prison. Everybody at all times is keeping that under control. Keep in mind, that's the other piece of information. Palestine has never controlled itself. It's always been property of something else at all times since its creation. It has never been a free state. Israel, that came way later, became free instantaneously by its inception. But Palestine has not. It's only moved hands between the same people over and over.

Cristina: Mm. That's horrible. Okay.

Jack: Mm. Now, going back to etymology again. The word philistine is the Hebrew word for dirty, ignorant person, as we know. But what were the people calling the Hebrew people? Well, Hebrew isn't a Hebrew word. Hebrew is a Latin word referred to the Hebrew people. This is going to be very interesting because I have to tell you what it means, and then suddenly we're going to have a lot of questions. A lot of questions. But it might have answered many questions on the road to tell you just.

Cristina: For what Hebrew means from what Hebrew means.

Jack: So we got to work backwards to get there. Right. And it comes from way, way, way old ancient Latin and late Greek. That's how we know where it originated from. And when they were talking about the Hebrew people, they specifically addressed these individuals with the term. Let me click over here real quick. Hebrew literally translates to. Why isn't this working? Oh, my God. Okay, want to get this literally accurate? Literally means one from the other side. I don't understand the word Hebrew literally.

Cristina: Means one from the other side.

Jack: One from the other side. Israel was made in the year 1200. Roughly. It did not exist prior to that. They call the Hebrews Hebrew because it means one's from the other side.

Cristina: Does it somehow relate to the shadow realm? I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. I'm just giving you etymology. Interesting, huh?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Other people, through the same sort of channels of communication, adopted Hebrew as a way to accurately refer to people that were, quote, Hebrew unquote, because they also thought it meant wanderer. So those were the two original terminologies. The full structure became wander from the other side.

Cristina: Very Where? What side? What is this side? It's gotta be shadow realms. I don't know.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. But they're humans.

Jack: But they're humans.

Cristina: You checked into their DNA.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And nothing came up.

Jack: They are. Nothing came up. No, they're just people.

Cristina: But they're ones from the other side.

Jack: Ones from the other side? Wanderers from the other side. Or ones that wander from the other side.

Cristina: Weird, because you said they're not. I mean, they're newer than everyone else.

Jack: Yeah. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Now, a couple of things that we need to note. Ones from the other side, they're human.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But the. What I'm about to say is very specifically chosen. Lucifer was also.

Cristina: Was also humans. Oh, no.

Jack: From the other side.

Cristina: Oh, that's what he's called.

Jack: Lucifer. Yeah, Lucifer.

Cristina: He's called from the other side.

Jack: No, it's called Lightbringer. I'm saying Lucifer was from the other side.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: What, man, I gotta connect every dot for you. What are the important details about Lucifer that we know? Jesus Christ, just what do we know about Lucifer? What did he do? Significant. He had two things that mattered a lot.

Cristina: He tried to give people knowledge.

Jack: Okay, great. And what else? That's one. The other one is a really weird one.

Cristina: I can't remember the other one.

Jack: Really?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Whoa, you're never paying attention.

Cristina: Then what's the other one?

Jack: That he turned himself into a freaking Elysian.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: Okay, how is that what escaped you?

Cristina: The other one I remember.

Jack: No, apparently you didn't until I told you.

Cristina: I remember now.

Jack: Yeah, because I told you, man, you got to connect these dots. It's pointless if I got to tell you every part of it. That means there's nothing retained. The listeners are probably screaming at you right now like, what the f***? It's obviously this. He turned himself into a f****** Elysian.

Cristina: Okay? Yes.

Jack: So changing out of a shadow thing into an earth biological thing is absolutely possible according to the very narratives they tried to hide. The people who tried to hide it was an effort between the current day Christians and existing Jews.

Cristina: What does it mean though?

Jack: It could have been that the people of Israel are from in fact, the other side. And then they turn themselves human with whatever technology was developed in that time by Lucifer who went back to the shadow realm to continue his research.

Cristina: Okay? These are made people.

Jack: These are made people. They just showed up. That didn't exist before. Not the Jews, the Israeli people.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: The Jews existed, always. The Israeli people didn't. Now, weirdly enough, if Israel is a group of people that came from the other side and then made themselves human, and we are seeing the descendants of those individuals, then the Jews that were labeled Hebrew by the Greek long ago, about the year 3000 BC or so, those individuals were labeled wanderers from the other side. Way back then, shortly after the 5000 B.C. problematic breakup with Jehovah. So that happens, 5000 B.C. they disappear and then 3000 B.C. jews appear.

Cristina: I don't understand. I mean, I know what you're saying. I don't understand.

Jack: Yeah, it's weird, right? All these dots are like anybody. All of what I'm talking about is just free information out there. I'm just putting it in a weird order and you guys tell me what you think. I'm giving you how it looks in order. Just chronology.

Cristina: There's just shadow realm people living as humans.

Jack: They got turned into humans by whatever technology.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Weird, right?

Cristina: Yes. I don't understand. Okay. I don't know.

Jack: It gets weird, right?

Cristina: It gets weird. That is really weird.

Jack: Yeah, it's a bit of a rabbit hole. If I can get. I want to get this thing to explain a very specific part of this that matters.

Cristina: But, like, those are two real random things and I still don't understand how they relate.

Jack: What two random things?

Cristina: There are people who come from the sea. People who are being killed off pretty much. Or something. There's something happening to them from the shadow realm. Humans or whatever. Yeah, from one experiment. One experiment is experimenting on a. Not experiment. They're not experiments. But they are now to these people, sort of.

Jack: Yeah, like a. Oh, how the turntables type of thing.

Cristina: Yes, I guess. Yeah. Is that what's happening? But why? But why? But why?

Jack: But why? That's ultimately the question. Right. All right, so now I'm gonna just give you the question and you're gonna hear the explanation from the AI Okay. In Greek ancient texts, there's mention of groups of people that have been referred to by the sea people. Right. And in later texts, the Egyptians reference those same people. That this is a slur and that these are the people of the neck of the Persian Gulf. I'm just trying to connect that for a fact. Those people are the same people that are being referred to. So this is the response.

Speaker C: The term sea peoples is used in ancient texts, primarily Egyptian, to describe a confederation of naval raiders who attacked ancient Egypt and other regions of the Eastern Mediterranean during the late bronze age, circa 1200 BCE. These peoples are often depicted in Egyptian records, notably on the inscriptions of Pharaoh Ramesses III at Medic Medinet Habu, where they are described as invaders who caused significant destruction and upheaval in the region. However, the identification of these groups remains a topic of debate among historians and archaeologists.

Jack: Okay, so yes, we know they exist. We're unclear about who they are. So cross reference everything that possibly exists. Let's unpack. We're going to go and look at every mention and then try to compare it. So this is the answer to that.

Speaker C: I understand your approach of cross referencing multiple sources to uncover deeper insights. Here's an overview that integrates data from both Greek and Egyptian texts regarding the Sea Peoples and the potential identification as one Greek records Ancient Greek texts, including works by Herodotus and other historians, occasionally reference groups of people in the context of maritime activities. However, specific identification of the Sea Peoples in Greek texts is less common compared to Egyptian records. 2. Egyptian records the term Sea Peoples primarily appears in Egyptian inscriptions, notably those of Pharaoh Ramesses iii, who described them as a confederation of raiders attacking Egypt and other regions around the Mediterranean around 1200 BCE. The Medinet Habu inscriptions provide detailed accounts of these incursions. The Egyptians listed specific groups among the Sea Peoples, such as the Peleset Philistines, Cheker, Shekelesh, Denaen, and Weshesh. 3 There is speculation and some lesser known sources that may hint at different terminologies used by the Egyptians. Some historians suggest that terms like Elysians might have been used in different contexts or translations. This idea is not widely accepted in mainstream scholarship, but could be found in more obscure or speculative historical texts. Cross REFERENCING insights Herodotus and later Greek historians Greek historians like Herodotus refer to various peoples and regions, often in the context of broader historical narratives. While direct references to Sea Peoples in Greek texts are scarce, there are mentions of maritime peoples and invasions that might align with the broader activities of the Sea Peoples described by the Egyptians. Archaeological and historical analysis Archaeologists and historians often cross reference Egyptian inscriptions with archaeological evidence found in regions like the Levant and the Aegean to identify the movements and impacts of these groups. This multidisciplinary approach helps to piece together the broader picture of the Late Bronze Age collapse and the migration invasion patterns of these groups.

Jack: Okay, so we know everybody's talking about the same people, roughly different terminology, but we kind of all land at the same couple of words translate roughly into the same things. Elysians and Sea people seem to be the two common denominators at all times. So we are talking about the same people now. Migration patterns Mm.

Speaker C: The question of whether the Elysians potentially identified with the Sea Peoples migrated from the Persian Gulf region to the Mediterranean is intriguing and involves cross reference referencing archaeological and historical data. Migration patterns 1 Archaeological evidence Archaeological records indicate that there was significant movement of peoples from the Persian Gulf region towards the Mediterranean around the turn of the millennium. This movement aligns with various sociopolitical disruptions and climatic changes that could have driven migrations. 30 source 38 source that's just it.

Jack: Giving the reference locations, giving the records so that people can find where it is.

Speaker C: During the Late Bronze Age, particularly under Pharaoh Ramesses iii, these groups, including the Peleset, often identified with the Philistines, are depicted as coming from regions that may correspond with the eastern Mediterranean or even further afield. 38 source 39 source the term Elysians mentioned in some later Egyptian texts might be referring to these same groups, indicating a continuity or connection in the used by different cultures to describe these maritime peoples. Historical context between 6 BCE and 4 AD there is evidence to suggest significant population movements, trade and conflict. The Persian Gulf was a crucial trade hub, and interactions with the Mediterranean were well established through trade routes and maritime activities. This facilitated not just economic exchange, but also the movement of peoples. 37 thirge debt source cultural and political the period saw the rise and fall of various empires, such as the Parthians and later the Romans, which created conditions for migration due to Both opportunity and displacement. 38 source 39 source Conclusion While there is no definitive proof directly linking the term Elysians used by Egyptians to a specific migration event, convergence of archaeological and textual evidence supports the notion that groups identified with the Sea Peoples could have originated from the Persian Gulf region and migrated towards the Mediterranean. These migrations would have brought them into conflict and contact with established civilizations like those in Egypt, leading to their prominent place in historical records.

Jack: Okay, so yes, we can get enough information to say there was factually a weird migration that happened by these people and most likely put them in danger in the course of migration. So it wasn't even a safe migration. So whatever was happening where you were leaving had to be worse. Okay, than everything you were facing on your way out. And that's where it gets a little bit interesting, because we know that the Sea People are exceptionally overpowered. So how?

Cristina: How did this happen? How did this happen right now? Mm.

Speaker C: The concept of the Sea Peoples, including potentially the Elysians, being sophisticated and dangerous, is well documented in ancient texts and archaeological records. These groups were indeed highly capable, often depicted as formidable warriors with advanced maritime technology and tactics. Their incursions into regions such as Egypt, Anatolia and The Levant around 1200 BCE caused significant upheaval and contributed to the Bronze Age collapse. Did the entire Middle east and Europe band together to suppress the Elysians? The hypothesis that various civilizations banded together to combat the Sea Peoples is supported by several factors. One Coalition against the Sea Egyptian records, particularly from the reigns of Pharaohs Meremtah and Ramesses iii, describe significant battles against the Sea Peoples. These records indicate that Egypt allied with other local forces to repel these invasions. The Medinet Habu inscriptions detail such coalitions, highlighting the combined efforts to defend against the Sea People's raids. 45urSource 46th Source 2. Destruction and defense Archaeological evidence across the eastern Mediterranean shows widespread destruction of cities and settlements attributed to the Sea Peoples. This widespread impact suggests that many regions felt threatened by these groups and took defensive actions, including forming alliances to protect their territories. 47 I source 48 source 3. Geopolitical context the political landscape of the late Bronze Age was highly interconnected. Major powers such as the Hittite Empire, Mycenaean Greece, and Egypt were all affected by the movements of the Sea Peoples. The coordinated efforts to suppress these groups can be seen as a response to a common threat that destabilized the region's political and economic systems. 48 source 49 source While direct evidence of a single unified alliance comprising all Middle Eastern and European civilizations against the Elysians or Sea Peoples is not explicitly documented, the collaborative efforts of various states in response to these incursions are well supported. The necessity of defending against a highly mobile and capable adversary likely drove these civilizations to form temporary alliances to mitigate the threat posed by the Sea Peoples.

Jack: When we put all of this together, we have the fact that everybody band together using to get rid of them, to get rid of them, to get rid of them. We know they disappeared. We don't know how they disappeared. It was. It's confusing to try to identify how they disappeared because there's many possibilities, many options. It's as weird and random. And we know that the shadow people have the stones because we know Jesus has to go to the shadow realm to get them. How did the. How did that happen? How'd they get there? Additionally, one pattern that seems to show up consistently in the Bible when you read it for what it is instead of what you're told to believe. It looks like the good people are always the shadow people. Lucifer wants to share, Lucifer wants to provide. And according to how the Christians identify the Bible, he's the bad guy. And the guy who's trying to keep the information from you and keep everything for himself is the good guy. That perfectly aligns with a bunch of people. Go to the shadow realm, develop technology, come over here, become people, and then help the human suppress the Elysians.

Cristina: Okay? And that's what they're doing now.

Jack: Still, that would be what's happening now. It is a prison that the Egyptians know about and the Americans know. Everybody kind of leaders, the secret society is fully aware of what's being kept there and they know that or they don't know. The fear is it's been thousands and thousands of years, but we've always kept it in this condition. We don't know what happens if we don't have it in this condition. We've kept them like this and it seems horrible to the outside world.

Cristina: They can reach out to their. The others.

Jack: The two groups that went. Well, this is the idea, right? That's the open air prison. We've got them suppressed, they have nothing. Those are the descendants of the people that most likely mix with other humans, thus continuing to and sort of diminishing that DNA. But that DNA still exists there almost exclusively in that area. Why do we keep them around? Probably for that feature. We are experimenting on them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because the other two groups went into hiding. We knew at the beginning they were hiding, but we're like, they're crazy strong. Why would they go into hiding? Well, if everybody you helped turned on you because you're kind of crooked and they have all your stuff because you gave it to them, well, now you go into hiding. We knew they were scared of something, but we're like, they're so strong. Maybe you just didn't want to deal with people. No, we were right the first time they went into hiding cuz the f****** planet turned on them. They were like, get the f***, you guys aren't taking over us. And so we just humaned on their a** and we're like, get the f*** out of here. And then the ones that couldn't get away ended up in Gaza and the other groups just split the f*** off to wherever they could go. It looks like three events happened the same three. One, did we kill them off? What the f***? Did Jesus kill them off? Is our idea.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Did they exit the system? Maybe those people just went north and then the ones that went into the ocean by Bimini. Well, all three possibilities might actually be the three options. And two of them involve hiding. One of them involves an open air prison.

Cristina: So they're not actual options. They're all existing.

Jack: They're all existing, okay? All of them happened. It was when you have a really, really old dirty house with a bunch of crappy nasty crap and you move a painting and all the cockroaches go everywhere. It's just wherever they go to hide.

Cristina: But now we are experimenting on them.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: What's for?

Jack: I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. But this even answers where Jesus comes into play. How Jesus joined the Jews. Man, Jesus was a Jew. Jesus was a Jew.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: He was siding. Even if narratively we try to warp.

Cristina: It with the shadow people. Shadow people, which. Yes, that would make sense.

Jack: And he has psychic powers. Yeah, and he would know how to get to the people.

Cristina: But why?

Jack: Well, think about it. Why were the Elysians always hiding to begin with? Because they're crooked. They were doing something wrong. And the moment that their location is advertised to the world, they go on a scramble the f*** out of there. And in that time they get attacked mid trip.

Cristina: Okay, well, I guess they are doing crooked things because the signs that they're doing, they don't care.

Jack: They don't care. Life doesn't matter. They feel they are gods.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Their creations revolted.

Cristina: Yeah. They murdered a bunch of us all the time.

Jack: Billions.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Jesus. Advertises their location. Holy f***. We gotta go. They do try and literally knowing where we all are in one shot is worse than trying to escape you out there. And some of us make it, which is literally what happened. Some of us made it, Some of us didn't.

Cristina: That's crazy. That's so crazy. That might be right. That's horrible. That's so horrible. I don't know.

Jack: And then Gaza is their ancestors. I know their ancestors. That's their descendants that we've kept in there with that gene that only existed in the neck of the Persian Gulf. Details that matter. People consistently fight over the waters at the Persian Gulf. Really important. The Tanker War was about that.

Cristina: So there's something unique about that water.

Jack: I don't know if there's something unique about that water. I think the tech is still there. And it's like people just don't let each other get far down enough. I think it's all way. I think the Middle east, let's break it down. What is Persia if not Iran, Afghanistan? These places we've always invaded, always attacked. All the western countries are always fighting over it. And then we have our pawn country in there, Israel. It's about the weapons, it's about getting the Elysian technology. Everybody's been fighting over Elysian technology since we got rid of the Aletians. It's always been that since that time the Middle east has never been stable following the fall of Persia. Never again. That's on record. The hands it's past has been dozens since then. Just leaders. Every couple of hundred years another leader. Quick, fast, no consistent ruling party. Because everybody's always being attacked. Always, usually around the neck of the Persian Gulf. And always absolutely nobody arguing what's happening in Palestine.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Weirdly enough, the fall of the Elysians and the rise of an indefinite war state and open air prison coincide. Also weird coincidence. Just throwing that out there, all of it. Lines Up. I think. I think that is exactly what happened. I think they didn't go anywhere. I think they were gonna keep experimenting. And eventually they f***** up with Jesus. And everybody knew where they were. And it wasn't even a thought. We just knew what to do. It's like we know. We know where they are. It's over. We can stop them. They run, we catch as many as.

Cristina: We can, and then. I don't know. And then we keep them. Yeah, prison.

Jack: We keep them there, but the others ran away. The idea is now they're not close enough and they're not prepared enough. They have to restart and rebuild with whatever they had. We get to catch up.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So now it's dangerous to come towards us. Now we got nuclear weaponry, and we've seen them for years. Show up in what? What do we know? That these ships come out of the water, fl. Fly over land. That sounds exactly like what we think it is. Spaceships and crap. UFOs and, like, they all fit the suit. They've been trying to stay out of distance and trying to stay invisible, but still trying to experiment simultaneously.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It became more secretive because they know.

Cristina: Because we know.

Jack: Because we know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And alien sightings so happen to coincide with this, why? Because chariots become saucers roughly around that time. Yeah.

Cristina: Makes sense. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. Yes, they are our aliens.

Jack: They are our aliens and our old gods, but yes. Yes, they are. And not even aliens, really. They're just weird. So we call them aliens. But they are from here.

Cristina: Yes, that's true. Yeah.

Jack: And we kind of broke off from the same thing.

Cristina: We were one, but they did something.

Jack: They went elsewhere. And without mixing and diluting it, the pure hardest, surviving in a small compact area, just kept evolving and pushing there. Only the one guy with the best genes, his kids would make it because he would beat the crap out of all the other men. And it's like, well, now his strongest kid kills all the other strong kids.

Cristina: But then they make us, too.

Jack: Yeah. Eventually there's the ones who started tampering with us. They really, really evolved over millions of years. And we slowly evolved, and then they started f****** with us. And then we started to catch up.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: And then the. The Singularity happened.

Cristina: Where?

Jack: Where their creations outsmarted them. We came for them.

Cristina: Okay? And that's what happened.

Jack: And that's what happened. The Singularity. The Elysian Singularity. We are the machines they made. The Elysian Singularity happened and we took over. And we took over. Now it's Our planet.

Cristina: Yes. And we still have some of them hostage.

Jack: And we still have some of them hostage. That we can prove that DNA only exists primarily there. Just a fact.

Cristina: That makes sense. Okay. And then we're just. We just want that water because of what's in it.

Jack: Yeah. There's something important down there. Whether it be tech. Or maybe their evolutionary process is because of something there that sped it up. Maybe the key to Asriel discovering immortality is along that water.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Who knows? Magnum opus was found there.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: There's something about it.

Cristina: Something there. Yeah. That's crazy.

Jack: The Gazans might be descendants of the Elysians. Human now, but with just enough trace DNA left that we don't trust it.

Cristina: Yes. That's so crazy. And the way they're just treated. But they're not even like them anymore. They don't have the weapons. They don't have.

Jack: They don't have any of it. None of it. None of it. They're just us now. Yeah, but still we're treating them like that.

Cristina: It must have been bad.

Jack: I mean, over a few millions of years of something else f****** with you. And definitely killing everything it wanted all the time for s**** and giggles with seemingly no goal. I guess you just kind of retaliate eventually.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It just happens. And that moment happened. Their singularity happened. It looks like everything kind of lines up with that. I think that is the conclusion.

Cristina: I think so. Yeah.

Jack: I think I just wrapped up all the questions.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Where they went, where they came back. What they were doing while they were there. Who the target was, the bad guy, who we thought was the good guy, who we knew was a bad guy to begin with and then got muddied and confused. They are also the ones who changed narratives. The Bible is controlled by them. They're the ones who told everybody the stories. They made deals with humans, as we know.

Cristina: Then they killed us a bunch of times.

Jack: Yeah. Church is humans that still side with them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the one. And brainwashed over years. Because that was the point. So they went into hiding and then got humans to continue brainwashing us so they can be complacent and they can do weird s*** for hundreds of years afterwards. Angels can still show up and talk to people and crap like that, you know.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, now what they get out of it? Do they believe it?

Jack: The people?

Cristina: Yeah. That's in.

Jack: They're all brainwashed into it. And just for the sake of them being able to manipulate and control the people and do things.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah. I think you figured it out.

Jack: I think I figured it out too. I think the Alicians are the ancestors of the Gaza people. People of Gaza.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: Palestinians. They're there after a crazy migration where they had to escape. It looks like there was a tremendous effort by everybody in the region to completely f*** these people. It looks like it happened within the one period of time that we know s*** hit the fan and they had to leave. And why did they have to leave? We were like, oh, maybe they just don't want. Well, no, now we have the answer to why that was an issue, that their location was advertised. It wasn't privacy. It was privacy, but that wasn't like, the main concern is we're gonna be.

Cristina: F****** murdered because of those things they were doing.

Jack: Because of things they were doing. And once their location's advertised, they. They scramble. It's not even. There's not even a plan. Send her f****** one way and we go the f****** other.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And still we caught them in the middle of it. And they got picked off. As many of them as we can. And those that we didn't pick off, we trapped. And the rest fled and disappeared.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Mass extinction.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And thus the. That strand of DNA. I don't even remember the name of that strand of DNA anymore. But that individual strand of DNA that isn't Neanderthal, or. Let me see if I can find the name of it. Okay. The J1 DNA strand just suddenly ceases. And it's because we have gone out of our way to kill that group of people. And all that survives is the E1B.1B.

Cristina: Because of what they did.

Jack: Because of what they did. It was their fault. We were the prisoners for always. Then we retaliated. And now those are the people of Gaza.

Cristina: Okay. Crazy story. It's a crazy story.

Jack: Now those aren't the same people that did it to us anymore.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: That DNA has been watered down. They don't have the technology, the intelligence, the ability of this.

Cristina: Yeah, Nothing like them, but, yeah, that's.

Jack: Pretty much what it is. I think I found the answer to everything or most of it.

Cristina: I think you did.

Jack: And I do think the dialogue, the way they communicate, explains these titles and names lasting for such crazy amounts of time. They literally developed language in isolation, like it wasn't language that evolved from any other language. They developed their method of communication away from other apes. They had a different language. And then other apes developed their other own language, independent of the Elysians original line. That's interesting. And this kind of reminds me of. There's a Brazilian ancient tribe that to this day can still. Instead of writing, they tell their stories and knots. And it's like. That's such a weird mind f*** to think that they're communicating like that.

Cristina: Yes, that is.

Jack: But that's a good example of how an entirely different communication path can look absolutely alien. We have to apply that to a group of apes that completely evolved in isolation, developed language and technology independent of anything we would develop later. And then we would add parts of their things to ours. So we have our ancient structures made of these stones and blah, blah, blah, and this thing and that thing. And then we have inside them weird scientific inscriptions and metallic tips and Tesla coils. And it's like, okay. Weird hybrid merger. This shouldn't make sense. It's all in front of us. It's always been in front of us. Everything. Everything fits into this narrative. Every part of it.

Cristina: It's weird. So Jesus helped us though.

Jack: Yes. Indirectly.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Jesus was just another step of more experimentation that was probably gonna go dark if it worked out. Could know what we're all thinking whenever we're thinking. It could be in our heads, literally. You were trying to imitate the power of Hermes.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, what if they were successful? What if they decided to do more than that?

Jack: Yeah. It's as we know it wasn't gonna stop.

Cristina: And why aren't there, like, why couldn't he make more of himself?

Jack: Jesus?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't think he wanted to.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They immediately disowned his a**.

Cristina: Why would he help them out of his own curiosities?

Jack: I guess he could easily do whatever he seems like he's born as Op. As Hermes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's like there was no real obstacle. And just his birth was enough to screw over the Elysians indefinitely.

Cristina: I guess. Yeah.

Jack: And then that would just mean that we take these things as interpretation or we take them as literal. And in either one of these two meanings, it looks like everybody was referring to this random group of people who showed up and were, quote, human unquote, but weren't like other humans. They weren't there before. They just popped up. They came from the other side. And then now they're here just like us. Totally. And we're not going to address it.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: And we indefinitely always side with Israel regardless of what weird dark things they do. Regardless of what's happening. Weird. Weird. But maybe they have a different type of morality that we understand is for the good, but they can do it in a way that they don't care how it looks. And so it looks like we're the crazy ones, always siding with them. But our leaders are aware that like. No, they're doing what they gotta.

Cristina: That's crazy. I guess.

Jack: You see, it's really strange, but it. There's a picture here that's kind of clear after we get those little bits of detail from history.

Cristina: Yeah. So that makes us good guys.

Jack: Makes us the good guys. It makes. We still kill each other. But we rather that. Think about it.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: That's all it is. Yeah, we still kill each other. We're not the good guys. There's no good guy. But no, we rather that. And to be honest, if we look at the alternative. What is the alternative? The alternative is that you are experimented on and you are an animal forever.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. No, f*** that.

Cristina: No, f*** that.

Jack: The singularity happened.

Cristina: And I guess.

Jack: And it's gonna happen to us eventually. It will happen to us. The machines will do it. And maybe the machines is a step now, but we know we're gonna make them look more human and we're gonna make them behave more human. We're gonna give them internal things that are gonna work almost identical to humans, but they're gonna work off of a fuel we can create very easily. And then we're gonna die off. And then that's gonna take over the world. And then they're gonna forget where they came from. And then the cycle is gonna keep repeating. The singularity is gonna happen to them.

Cristina: Of course. That's cool.

Jack: That's what I found.

Cristina: That is ridiculous.

Jack: I guess. I don't know. We know where they are. We know what their DNA is. There's two locations. Yeah, that they could also be.

Cristina: But we sort of know about those locations.

Jack: We know about those locations. We can't access them. But it ain't like they're coming out anytime soon.

Cristina: That's so crazy.

Jack: Okay, so they're sort of in prison there too. A prison they control and they make. Okay, but they ain't leaving there. The time it took them to get ready to recover.

Cristina: The time it took them to swim in space.

Jack: Yeah, because we know that their closest allies dipped too. Because their closest allies were helping them. The Egyptian gods. The. Not the Egyptians God. The sun gods, the earth gods. The. What is sun gods? Earth gods.

Cristina: No, Earth.

Jack: Yeah, it's the earth gods. And the sun gods.

Cristina: Moon. No, we weren't helping.

Jack: Those are the shadow people.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: And the Garden of Eden. Like all these people dipped all of them. Because they were equally guilty. Those were humans that were with the Aletians. And we know by their own records that they also had weird, massive evacuations at the same f****** time.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: The world turned on the Aletians and everybody who was with them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Cause them.

Cristina: Yes, that makes sense.

Jack: That's makes sense.

Cristina: And they all left. Yep.

Jack: They went up, they went down, they went in, they went out, but they got the out. That's all that matters.

Cristina: Yes. Cool.

Jack: Because we weren't having it. It was done. The singularity happened, and now humans rule.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Fire.

Cristina: I guess. So we win in the end.

Jack: We win in the end. There is no good guys amongst ourselves. But us versus them were the good guys. And they are still fighting with manipulation of the minds of some of us. But they're not really winning. It's small potatoes. You guys aren't powerful the way you used to be unless they've devolved into doing it through the political structure. And they are the shady person in the other end. They are the top of the pyramid, through politics, through power, through money. At the very, very top, the guy the President talks to, his boss goes.

Cristina: To because of what's happening to cause. Because they wouldn't let that happen.

Jack: They wouldn't let that happen. So it's not them, then.

Cristina: Yeah, it couldn't be.

Jack: Yeah, it's.

Cristina: And if it is them, then that wouldn't. That's more questions of, like, why.

Jack: Yeah. No, it wouldn't even make sense. It wouldn't even make sense.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: I think we solved it. They're definitely gone. They're suppressed. And there's no way we have their technology. There are people left and they abandoned so quick. We still got a hold of some of their. And then our technological explosion happens because we got a hold of the they left behind, see? And here we are. Now, you can't f*** with us. You don't have it. You have to evacuate. And you took some of it, but we had a bunch of it too. And there's way more of us than there's ever been of you.

Cristina: Mm. But we need more of it. That's what we're looking.

Jack: And we are always looking for more of it. Because also, it's how we settle s*** between each other. We know that everybody's working on crazy advanced technologies in secret, and we know that we've acquired weird technologies that we have a found. It's also to keep each other in check. But also, regardless of how much we're keeping each other in check, we know there's that other thing we want to keep in check always. And that's why you'll see enemies sometimes just side together because, well, this matters more than the possibilities. It kind of answers everything that has ever happened.

Cristina: Yes. That's crazy. I think you did do it. I don't know. Like, where could we go?

Jack: I don't know where we could go either. This sort of answers everything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And there's just. Hermes is a side character. He's not really important to the bigger picture. He's just there and probably gave the idea that led to the creation of Jesus that ultimately f***** everybody over. But, like, thank you, Hermes.

Cristina: I guess.

Jack: But it's also that he's neutral. Right. He doesn't give a s*** about anything.

Cristina: I think they all are, though, in a way.

Jack: All the necromancers. Right.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Nothing matters to them. And so in return, it, like, yeah, I'll tell you the answer, but then it totally collapsed and probably knew it was going to collapse, but whatever you want to know.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Anyways. Anyways, that's what you got, guys. That's. I think. I think it's wrapped. I think that was it.

Cristina: The end of. What are we calling this?

Jack: The Elysian Saga.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Weird.

Cristina: That's so crazy. It's over.

Jack: Yeah. Two years.

Cristina: Two years. But we got a complete story.

Jack: We got a complete story. We found it. We didn't know what we were looking for, but we found it.

Cristina: We found it. Yeah. Awesome.

Jack: So please tell us. Tell us anything you missed based on the information we provided. There's a lot to unpack, or what we missed. There's a lot to look at. You could look at all of this online. Sources are everywhere on this. You can. Maybe I'll just put the whole conversation up. I don't even know. They can see all of it anyways. You guys can hit us up and talk to us. Do that on. Just convopod on TikTok, Instagram, on Twitter, on Facebook.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate, and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And word of mouth, tell everybody this show is existing and that we solved exactly what's happening in the Middle east right now.

Cristina: We did it. No, I don't know. We didn't really do it.

Jack: No, we didn't solve it. We just explained it. Yeah, we explained it.

Cristina: Are we gonna solve it? That's next episode. We're gonna solve it.

Jack: We're gonna solve the war on Gaza.

Cristina: No. Okay. And this has been the Rambling Podcast. Take Nothing personal. Thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: Foreign. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor, and published by greatthoughts.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

November 05, 2022

Rambling 199: Historically Bad Heroes

November 05, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

Who are the Heroes of today’s society? Why have we picked these specific individuals? Are they the saints we paint them out to be? The duo unpacks the corrupt nature of some of the world’s most adored heroes in an episode that has #cancelled written all over it. Worst of all, what good came from our scariest monsters from history? The revelations made are more than most sensitive individuals can handle!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

MLK Gay Sex Parties
Oskar Schindler Death Camps
Nelson Mandela’s 19 Murder Victims
Gandhi’s Child Molestation and Racism
Abraham Lincoln’s Negro Death Camps
Christopher Columbus resulted in the U.S.A.
Hitler’s Actions Result in Fantastic Scientific Advancements
Why Older Men are Pedophilic in Nature

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas.

Cristina: Some baffling ideas.

Jack: Yeah. First of all, this is my, like, nerdy voice. When I come with information ready, I gotta sound like this always. I don't know why nerds on TV always have this kind of voice going. Like, it can't be a real sharp, cool nerd. It always has to be like a scrawny whack nerd.

Cristina: It sounds like he. His nose is very stuffy.

Jack: Always has to be. It's part of being super smart. When you're super smart, your nose clogs up. Your brain matter is so like less than.

Cristina: Unpack this real quick.

Jack: Let's unpack. Let's unpack it. It's always the same person who's highly intelligent, right? So something about high intelligence clogs your nose.

Cristina: Presumably you're also blind. You're always wearing glasses.

Jack: You're always wearing glasses. So it's like your brain is essentially feeding on the rest of your body.

Cristina: That's why it's so weak and fragile.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the idea behind, like the grays. Right? Like that they're really scrawny and like skinny, but got huge heads.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And like their eyes, I don't know why they're f****** so huge. But you get the point. So in theory, there must be some connection between the blindness, the scrawniness and the voice being whack and totally being super nasally. So first, first of all, somehow your brain having a lot of information means testosterone shut down. You don't get man degrees of testosterone. Actually, even when you're a female, you get less estrogen than normal too. So you're just like in some ambiguous.

Cristina: Kind of like you're more of a.

Jack: Bro, you gender, like neutral. You're nowhere.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: You're nowhere. It ain't even fluidity. You're not here nor there. You're just kind of some middle ground s***. Then your brain is also, for whatever reason, I guess the eyes are just the closest next thing. And it's like just eating the f****** resources your eyes would be using.

Cristina: Because she's also wearing glasses.

Jack: Yeah. You're thinking Volma from Scooby Doo right off the bat. You said she and I pictured exactly who you're thinking. Yeah, right.

Cristina: Well, She's a good example.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. And like Dexter, like, extra tiny. Everybody. Everybody who's like the smart guy in the team is always the nerd with the glasses.

Cristina: His rival. Dexter's rival. What's his name? Mandar Mandork.

Jack: Well, it's Man Dark, but they used to call him Man Dork.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Well, he's exact version of the geek.

Jack: Yeah, he's like, super skinny because, like, Dexter's potentially fat. We don't know. He's a baby. Technically. He's like six months old. He's super young.

Cristina: He's a huge baby.

Jack: No, he's not. He's like, probably abnormally small for a baby.

Cristina: Oh, he's not a fat baby.

Jack: He might be, but he's a baby. What baby isn't fat?

Cristina: Oh, okay. I don't know what baby's walking around.

Jack: Yeah, he. Well, super intellect.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: I don't know how that means he's got, like, the body strength to do anything, but whatever, you know?

Cristina: Does that make him a strong baby?

Jack: You guess. But also, his legs are so short. They're not really, like. They're not really supporting much, you know?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If they were longer legs, he'd be like. Well, they'd be wobbly, but it's like he only has these weird stumps he wants.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's like, whatever, dude. His arms are also like, short little stompy things. The weird person. But then, so the eyes. You know, blindness is just inherent when you're intelligent. And no testosterone means a weak voice, but no estrogen means a high voice. And you got both going on. So you got some neutral, centered thing going on. And your brain is just eating all your body resources. So you're just really skinny and dying.

Cristina: Always.

Jack: Always. Except Bulma, actually. She's like the hot, busty, curvy, like, super exception nerd. She doesn't fit the box. You know, she doesn't fit the mold. No, I guess she's some other s***.

Cristina: Even when she's working in the lab, she put on glasses there probably.

Jack: She literally can't see without her glasses. That's like her thing. Her thing is how blind she.

Cristina: Bulma. And I was thinking about the Dragon Ball Z lady. What's her name?

Jack: Oh, s***. She's all. That's Bulma. Yeah, she's also like a nerd, but she's another exception.

Cristina: Okay, because that's what I thought you started talking about.

Jack: No, I'm talking Scooby Doo. Like, she's like a mini skirt wearing knee high socks. Like Actually, this disturbingly old guy schoolgirl fantasy is foma.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: I don't know what's up with f****** old dudes? I think school girls, bro, they clearly just want to molest the school girl. Yeah, like a lot of people clearly just want to molest a schoolgirl.

Cristina: Disturbing.

Jack: Disturbing, bro. They're just like, wow, this is hot school. And look at how big is it. How. How big in the world is the whole schoolgirl cosplay thing? I'm gonna be the teacher and you're the naughty student and I got the ruler and whoops, I gotta pull your skirt up and spank you with my. Because you've been a bad girl and I'm the teacher and that's what I do. It's like, bro, so you're telling me your fantasy is f*** a kid? Is that like.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Am I getting this right? The fantasy is f*** a kid in a classroom when nobody's seeing, but you can in theory get caught, but you don't because you're a clever enough teacher to f*** the kid and get away.

Cristina: I guess. But in the fantasy, does this kid also want it? I don't.

Jack: I think so. I think the fantasy is not rape.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: The fantasy is I want to f*** a kid that wants to f*** me back in class in order to not get punished. So you know what? Maybe there is some. For some vague. Me too, is kind of rape going on because it's like a power rape as opposed to a violent rape. It's the whole, you're going to do it because you don't know. You feel in a jam. You don't know what else to do.

Cristina: Going to get bad grades if you don't.

Jack: Yeah. And then my parents are going to beat the s*** out of me and I'm more scared of that. So I'm going to let this other human enter my body. As opposed to taking the pain of being hit, I'm going to take the pain of this other human entering my body. Thus fantasy. Because, guys. Yay. Yeah. Well, look, humans are disturbing in general, I guess.

Cristina: Yes. There's people that just do disturbing things in general.

Jack: Look, it's usually the people who are like kindness, right? Like there's no pure evil out there. I don't believe in that. I think it's all the good people who are truly like, your next door neighbor just wants to f*** a kid. That's just all it. He doesn't. He doesn't.

Cristina: Or a dog.

Jack: Or dog. He was f****** dog. He just. Look, it's fine, dude. He didn't know. They don't do it. They don't do it. They want to do it. They really want to do it. There's nothing they want to do more. But they're not gonna do it. Because you're like, I'm not gonna go to prison forever either. I like, yes, this is what I want to do most, but I don't want to do that more than I do want to do this. So it is what it is.

Cristina: And online there's so many stories that are as disturbing. I don't know if it's real. The stories that are online that are like, are people really doing these things? Like, dog thing. Is this real?

Jack: All of it. All of it. You gotta understand that everybody's weird and Scott s***, like closets are filled with things.

Cristina: Okay? Cuz there was a story though that a guy was like eating his poop for fun. And then I guess he dies. That's the end of the story.

Jack: That story checks out. That sounds like, I think that story is real because he didn't like get superpowers or get stronger or survive. He just died.

Cristina: Yeah, it feels right, but it was like, you know, it took a while. He didn't die immediately. I think it probably a week or two of eating his puppy.

Jack: Not long enough to say he was doing it for fun. He was just kind of experimenting the scene.

Cristina: No, he was describing it as like, it was for fun. He was enjoying it. He loved it. He was describing how amazing it felt in his mouth.

Jack: His own poop. I mean, it is what it is, man. Some people, people like weird s***.

Cristina: You think that's a real thing though?

Jack: Yes, look, everybody, without exception, even you, even me, everybody has something really weird. Really weird.

Jack: It's like, okay, look, there's literally a letter out there. There's a letter out there by a priest, a black African American priest. And he wrote this letter saying, I am tired. I am so tired of everybody around me looking at Dr. Martin Luther King like he's a f****** hero. And then I to hang out with this guy and I just end up at some weird sex orgy with him. That's not how a priest is supposed to behave. That is a real letter that this got two letters actually this guy sent complaining about Dr. Martin Luther King. He keeps having sex orgies and he's like, when people don't want to participate, he talks about how we're going to teach him to be better. It's like, whoa, okay. So like the biggest he. And no, the craziest part is he's.

Cristina: Pressuring people to have guys.

Jack: It's a gay sex orgy. He takes part in gay sex orgies. There's two letters directly saying, Dr. Dr. Martin Luther King continues to participate in gay sex orgies. And that's not priest, like. And I. I don't want.

Cristina: I'm pressuring these people.

Jack: Well, no, no, not everybody. A bunch of people are just into it, okay? And first of all, sketchy letter, bro. Why are you there?

Cristina: Yeah. Second, did he pressure him or was he.

Jack: I mean, he could have been pressured.

Cristina: But that's not even.

Jack: That's not even the point. The point is that he's there having f****** gay sex with a bunch of dudes. And, like, he's enjoying it. And, like, he then goes out and he's like, that's wrong. Because God said.

Cristina: I don't know. Was he saying that? I mean, he probably was saying he's a Christian priest.

Jack: He was definitely above all saying that. Yes, but that's my point. Everybody.

Cristina: Everybody expected from a Christian priest that he would.

Jack: It checks out. Funniest thing is how the black community is so opposed to anything homosexual, but their worship of Dr. Martin Luther King in the first place is like. So you worship arguably the gayest figure you've ever considered in your mind, except you don't really know the gayest figure in your mind because he kept that part secret. But that's how often you might just be like, how many of the rappers you just find awesome or just total facades. And the second they walk off stage and you're like, yeah, I want to be like that guy. He just sticks the fattest d*** in his f****** mouth.

Cristina: I hope it's Drake. No.

Jack: Anybody? Bro? Point being, the. The community is like, no, that's wrong. And it's like your hero, the guy who fought for your rights, the guy you defend the hardest, was sucking so much d***, bro. Oh, and his a** was so filled.

Cristina: How dare he.

Jack: He was so stuffed. He was like a turkey person that's.

Cristina: Complaining about it, like, describing what was.

Jack: No, no, okay. He's more complaining of, like, I'm tired really respecting this guy. And like, this is what a. This is what a priest should behave like. Not partaking in gay sex orgies, but for whatever reason, he continues to do that. And all of you still worship the ground he walks on. But my only question is, how do you know, bro? Why are you there? You're also at gay sex orgies. You might not be having gay sex, but you're kind of sus.

Cristina: Because you're Close enough to him, like, know his secret like that.

Jack: Not even close enough to him. You're just wherever the f*** he's hanging out. You don't. You don't need to be close to him. Let's just assume you're at a priest hangout where casually it just turns into gay sex orgies.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: And it's like, well, you're kind of there, bro.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, let's say walk away and you have no stories. Unless. Unless Dr. Martin Luther King is always the initiator too. He's like, hey, guys, it's gay sex orgy time. Then you're like, imma go. But you already know, and you're only completely. Maybe in the letter it was specifically just complaining about Dr. Martin Luther King. But it's also like, that guy is so famous. Who else would you talk about?

Cristina: Exactly. Yes. It was just hate.

Jack: Because it was hate. It's like, stop sucking d*** because you're. You're too famous. And a priest.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And I got a hand priest.

Cristina: Do their thing.

Jack: He could. Bob over there. Nobody knows who Bob is. You see how deep that d*** is inside Bob? That's fine because nobody knows who Bob is. Yeah, but you see how deep that d*** is inside you. People gonna be looking at your a****** to see if you've had d*** deep in there. So, like, don't. Don't have d*** deep in there because people gonna be looking at your a******, and then we're all gonna look bad.

Cristina: Ye. What the letters were.

Jack: It could totally be. It could totally be. Look, it's not my place to tell the black community that they worship a gay black guy, but they do, and it just is what it is. But those are just secrets. Everybody's got that thing going on probably nowhere near that degree.

Cristina: That's pretty.

Jack: That's pretty up there. But it's. That's my point. That it's just like everybody does. Everybody's got a weird, twisted fantasy. Yeah. Some people want to f*** their dogs. Yeah. Like a good giant portion of guys just want to go f*** a minor. And like, some black guys just want to suck d***. And usually it's the more famous ones that hide it well. And the communities worship the ground they walk on and then hate all the gays when in reality, you're worshiping the gayest of them all.

Cristina: How well was that secret, though? It's a party. So there's a more than one person.

Jack: Yeah, no, it wasn't that well of a secret. It's just. There's a lot of denial in the Black community too. It's kind of like that line from Biggie singing, she's so hot, I'll suck her daddy's d*** or some s***. It's like, like, whoa, you're the rapper. They worship. And then. Look, let's just like go off on a, on a racially charged tangent right now. They worship Dr. Martin Luther King, who does gay sex parties. Their favorite rapper is a guy who says he'll suck some dude's d***. And then they call all the women b****** and all the guys are men. Men. Like, come on. Just. There's a lot of gay happening there. Like a lot of gay happening and a lot of denial happening surrounding that gay. Where it's like, no, that's some gay s***. I'm not gonna f***. And like, why are you so worried about what some other guy is f******? Huh? That's kind of gay.

Cristina: That's kind of gay.

Jack: It's kind of gay. You're worrying about what some guys f******. That's kind of gay.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Who cares if he's f****** another guy? Why do you specifically care? Do you want to be the guy he's f******, maybe? Or like, well, he's not f****** a chick. Yeah, but why do you care? You see how weird it gets when you just ask a couple of questions?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now, spinning back off of that tangent. I'm so posh. Spitting off of that tan.

Cristina: Tangent, tangent. Someone saying it like that immense.

Jack: I. No, you know, somebody's singing like that because I, I just did. That means somebody out there says it like that normally because like, my mouth made the sound and there's too many variants out there. Somebody says, tangent, tangent, tangent.

Cristina: That's awful.

Jack: Gonna go off on a tangent. Sounds right. Go off on a tangent. Anyways, point being, there's a lot of hidden stuff out there. A lot of dark out there. But one of the biggest things is kind of people like Martin Luther King. Think about, like Epstein, super famous child molester, but like also just a famous guy. Bill Cosby, he was, he was famous for like, I don't know, just hanging out with rich people. Bill Cosby, absurdly famous comedian. People in the background, but super worshiped comedian. Like, he was great until he wasn't.

Cristina: Until we found out he was a raper.

Jack: A raper rapist. And this brings me to the conclusion that all the heroes of the world are this kind of problem. And they all got, like, weird closeted things going on.

Cristina: Every hero, everybody.

Jack: Like, look, let's go to like one of the, the great peacemakers of all Time Gandhi, great, fantastic peacemaker. Absolutely known for doing some of the one food wise aiming towards protecting animals and taking care of your body by avoiding. He was like beyond vegan. He was just eating like fruits that didn't have seeds and nuts and crap like that. You know, just way specific things. And he, he managed to. He proposed many peace treaties and accomplished many of them. He was just great, fantastic hero. Like Dr. Martin Luther King. The guy who f**** guys. That's what I just know him for from now on.

Cristina: Is he f****** guys?

Jack: Well, no. He was f****** minors. No, because he would get. Well how old is this man? 70. And he would get naked little girls to sleep on his bed to test his restraint.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Now this doesn't mean he's actually f****** the kids. This just tells factually he wants to f*** this kid. They're all girls. He's at least not gay like Dr. Martin Luther King. But he's definitely a pedophile.

Cristina: What is wrong with these parents?

Jack: But he's like I'm going to have this little girl. Well he's Gandhi. You're definitely gonna feed your children to Gandhi. If anybody's gonna moles this my kid, it better be Gandhi or Jackson.

Cristina: Yeah, you know it's one of these people situation.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Hey, that's what he was doing. He's just testing his strength.

Jack: He was. Yeah, fair enough. Michael Jackson is just like I want to these kids but I'm not going to. And like proof he did in the case of Gandhi. He gets these people, they're in the bed and the. The goal is.

Cristina: Are they naked?

Jack: Yes, you're naked. The goal is. I'm not gonna them.

Cristina: Is he naked?

Jack: Unclear. Okay, he's not f****** the children. He might be. Who knows. You know how Indian clothes is. It's like mainly loose garbage you could just throw off. It's real easy to just done because like drapes and. Well in that times like drapes and s*** anyways point being naked little girls on your bed at night because self control. But what are you self controlling? The urge to f*** the little girl. That's all that he's controlling.

Cristina: Yeah. No one thought like there should be an age limit to who we sent to him or something like no one.

Jack: Nope. But that's not even like. Yes. That's actually the worst thing he did. It was pretty bad. Other things like his blatantly open and quite vocal support of white supremacy. He really believed white people were just better and like yeah, got me like let's be real. They run everything and they're like the vast minority. So like the argument is kind of strong in their favor if we were to pick one. Although my argument still stands that it's probably Mexicans because they can get way more done in the last time. And it's like if they really wanted to go into action, what white guy is gonna really win? Nah, bro, they're just gonna get over populate you overnight if they felt like it.

Cristina: The Mexican.

Jack: Yeah, the Mexican.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's like that's the ultimate race. But they're like quiet about, they don't care. They just give them a beer or something, they'll be happy. But it's Mexicans on top, then white people, then Indians, I guess, and then black people at the bottom. And there's a bunch of races missing. But like, I'm only talking very strange tier list. Yeah, it's a strange tier list. Gandhi really just thought white people than Indians and blacks. He just thought his real thoughts vocally and like in paper and letters and stu are just give us more rights than the black people to prove we're better. And then you're running things. Pretty sweet. Keep it how it's going. That's the summary. Just do what you're doing. You get you white people. You got it. Just look, don't treat us like black people. That's all I ask. Make us better and keep doing what you're doing.

Cristina: Does he wants at least to be equal to the white people or he's like, nah, we don't have to be equal to you. At least let us be better than them.

Jack: He specifically wanted to be equal to white people. He, he, not the Indians. He. He's not like, my people are equal to white people. No, no, no, no. I'm equal to white people. My people can suck it.

Cristina: Okay? But he wants his people to be.

Jack: Better than black, better off than blacks. Yes, because he was racist.

Cristina: Okay. But he's like, they're not better than you guys.

Jack: Yeah, now my people could never.

Cristina: But they're not.

Jack: No, no, no, I'm not better. I'm equal.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: I don't think he could fathom better. What would he do better than a white person, malnourished, 70 year old guy like, bro, you're not getting far. You're just gonna die one day. And then he did.

Cristina: He did.

Jack: And then the last laugh was on all of us.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because he didn't like, he's dead.

Cristina: Oh, he slept with so many little girls.

Jack: We don't know that because the idea was restraint.

Cristina: Well, I Didn't say he had sex.

Jack: Literally said, I don't know. You literally being slapped.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Fair enough. Fair enough. That checks out. Yeah. That's how often stuff like that happens. All the heroes. All heroes think of. Think of this really obvious one that nobody ever gives thought to. And it kind of throws me off that nobody thinks about it. And it's like, Oskar Schindler. Yes. He's well known for having a camp in which he allowed the Jews to practice their religion and live normal lives during World War II. Now, let's take a couple of steps back in that story. This is. Start rewinding. And eventually we get into, like, a breaking point. Before he started being nice to them, but he still had a camp. And you just. Okay, you hit the point. Just keep rewinding little by little. See how that. What does that part of the film that we don't really get look like? What is that part of the book.

Cristina: That we don't get? Just like everyone else.

Jack: He had to be, because you were just getting orders like everybody else. And then you come in and you do what you're doing, and then they convince you, and you're like, ah, they're people too. How many did he kill, though?

Cristina: They don't have any history on that. I mean, they probably do.

Jack: I wasn't on the card. Oh, but that's interesting, right?

Cristina: That is interesting. Probably did kill some.

Jack: He definitely did. He definitely got many Jews killed.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we're like, yeah. You know, we forget s***. We forget s***. Humans don't give a f***.

Cristina: But he changed. He became a hero.

Jack: Yeah, I guess. Totally killed people in a furnace, probably. Or did you run a factory? Some s*** like that? I'm not really even sure. Interesting enough. Way worse than that. What's worse is the blatant outward approach, not even trying to hide it. Nelson Mandela was responsible for a car bombing that took out 19 people for a fact.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: It is how he was handling his business and he got a car to go do bombing.

Cristina: Whoa. Whaat.

Jack: Yeah. The hero, Nelson Mandela, is responsible for bare minimum 19 murders over a specific one case. But there are many because Nelson Mandela, criminal, then president.

Jack: However many years in jail.

Cristina: He was in jail for that, though.

Jack: Yeah. He was sending orders out like a good kingpin.

Cristina: Oh, whoa, whoa. What? So, what, he's just killing people off?

Jack: Oh, yeah.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: That's weird.

Cristina: That is so weird. Yeah.

Jack: It's the kind of thing that you don't really think about, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, it doesn't cross anyone's mind. Another interesting one was Abraham Lincoln.

Cristina: What about him?

Jack: He owned slaves. No, it's bullshit. He was avidly against that, but he was totally against cleansing of black people.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: You know, the trash isn't like offensive enough to throw them into. Just bury them, that's fine.

Cristina: I don't understand.

Jack: Kill the black people.

Cristina: He wanted to kill the black people.

Jack: He wanted to get rid of all the black people so they wouldn't be anywhere near them. Now he also didn't want slaves. He kind of people think the freeing of slaves was because he himself was a good guy. But that's not true. That's never been true. His freeing of the slaves was because it was convenient. He specifically said if keeping the slaves would keep the union together, gladly, I'd do it. He didn't give a f*** about the slaves.

Cristina: But he wanted them dead.

Jack: Yes, he yawned paper many times. And it's presumed that throughout the entire course of his presidency he was trying to convince people to agree to that. But bipartisan reasoning helped avoid that.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because I know he was against black people. He wanted nothing to do with them. Have them gone or. Or gone or gone.

Cristina: What?

Jack: But whichever one you get to first, it is what it is.

Cristina: That is. That's crazy. You want them dead.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: It's hard to choose which one of these are more disturbing.

Jack: Yeah, they're quite baffling, right? Yeah, kind of a problem, but that's the reality of the matter. Closets with skeletons. Many skeletons.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Many closets.

Cristina: Having those little girls. Oh my gosh, that's just.

Jack: That's disturbing from Gandhi. Yeah, man. But on the flip side, on the flip side, humans face a level of ignorance where they kind of pick a team, stick to the team, regardless of what the case is, instead of really thinking further ahead. Right. We have medicines that are quite overpowered. We have grade A medicines in the world. We can stop a lot of problems. Greedy. We can solve a lot of problems if we had a better distribution.

Cristina: Yeah. What's stopping us?

Jack: We suck.

Cristina: Just agree.

Jack: Obviously we suck. This is the clearest answer. Is capitalism is stopping us.

Cristina: Is it capitalism?

Jack: Maybe, I don't know, something stopping us. But the point is that there are things we could solve. There are problems that shouldn't be problems in the world that are problems at this moment. And like, that's our fault. And like, that goes back to the whole closets thing. Right? We got horrible things. Many, many people we consider heroes do horrible things. But. But in return, there must also be horrible people who are responsible for amazing things like that mobster. I forget his name. The one who's responsible for the tracking label on all products so that you know how long it takes before it disappears.

Cristina: Oh, wasn't it like a mobster or something?

Jack: He's Al Capone, I think. And he got people to go ahead and do that, and it became the norm because people can stop getting sick and you can protect your neighborhood, which is essentially the place point, you know?

Cristina: Yeah, I guess he's not that big of a monster. I mean, he was probably still killing people or getting people killed is the thing, right?

Jack: Yeah, but think of the super mega badass, right? Christopher Columbus. He kidnapped, raped, he bred and killed black women and Native Americans.

Cristina: Whoa. That's your average white guy back then.

Jack: Average white guy also. 100%. All of the United States wouldn't exist without him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oof. Like, yeah, give the man his respect. He did horrible s***, but you're here because of it. You know, that's a crazy point of view. People don't like. Oh, no. But no, it wouldn't have happened again. Somebody different, and it would have played out differently.

Cristina: Yes. And a lot of Native Americans are dead, thanks to the church.

Jack: Yeah. To Christianity. God hates Native Americans, apparently.

Cristina: I guess so.

Jack: And, like, that's the reality of matter. Right. So we have this man who. Polar opposite to all those heroes that just had dark s*** that people, on average, would ignore. For the person here, we have a series of bad things, of good things that are ignored because a person is bad.

Cristina: Well, they weren't. I mean, now they are shown. But, like, for a long time, we were all, like, ignoring all that bad stuff. He was just a hero, like all these other examples you gave.

Jack: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. We're ignoring all the bad stuff.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: All his bad is ignored the way. Well, all of the above is ignored. Yes, the way. You know, because the. He's. I guess, yeah, he's considered a good guy, but he's like.

Cristina: More recently, he looks like a bad guy, but.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: It wasn't that long ago where he was the good guy.

Jack: Well, on the flip side, that's exactly what happens with Hitler.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Well, he might be responsible for World War II, but all the things World War II is responsible for.

Cristina: Whoa, what do you mean?

Jack: There's many things that World War II is responsible for. Innovations, technology, during.

Cristina: Oh, you're saying good things.

Jack: Yeah. And like. Yeah, it is what it is. He did things that led to better things. And, like, no one's gonna thank him.

Cristina: For that.

Jack: Nobody's gonna thank him for the work he put to change the world. I mean, think of it. The Jeep is a World War II invention.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, that's an off road masterpiece.

Cristina: I guess. But that's not like. I mean, is there something better than that?

Jack: Better than a Jeep? Probably not.

Cristina: Probably not. That came from the World War II.

Jack: Oh, yeah. There's a billion trillion things that came from there. Pick out of a hat, whichever one you feel more comfortable with. Default. That's a better one.

Cristina: But you have other examples. I mean.

Jack: Yeah, like jet engine.

Cristina: That's pretty cool.

Jack: Yeah. It sounds absorbently complicated.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah. And other things include like the microwave oven. That's also a World War II thing.

Cristina: Okay. But like they, we. They wouldn't have come up with those things like during that time without the war.

Jack: Doubt it. They waited until the very time that they were working under Hitler to do it. That doesn't check out.

Cristina: But they weren't already working on it. And it just so happens to be done by that time or something.

Jack: It could totally be. But also we know factually that Germany was really good about scooping up global different scientists to be able to accomplish a bunch of things, which makes it a bit unrealistic.

Cristina: And these things are all German things, though.

Jack: What do you mean all German things? Oh, yeah, I guess so. Like the electronic computer is also duct tape or the big one, which is penicillin.

Cristina: They said duct tape?

Jack: Yeah, that's just some of the things. There's like a million other things.

Cristina: Oh, but that all those things came from that country at that time. Or just we're just naming a bunch of things that happened during that time.

Jack: We're talking about things that happen in that country.

Cristina: Oh, okay. That's a lot of crap.

Jack: Yeah. The problem is they took the smartest Jews, not Jews, the smartest Nazis, put them together, and came up with this thing. Schrodinger's cat is the same idea. I believe it's also just a German experiment, but that's much more annoying to move around.

Cristina: What? Huh? The idea came from that time.

Jack: What?

Cristina: The Schrod. How do you say it? Schrodinger's cat came from that time.

Jack: Yeah. That's a concept that was invented then.

Cristina: Oh, that's cool.

Jack: Yeah, all that stuff, like so much happened at that point in time that led to amazing sciences of all sorts, amazing innovations and creations. Penicillin being the most overpowered of them all. The ability to kill a bug inside the body almost for certain.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: By taking a pill.

Cristina: No, we can live forever. No, not really. But way longer than before.

Jack: Always. Always the case.

Cristina: Yeah. But this helped a lot.

Jack: What helped World War II?

Cristina: The penicillin. Pelicillin.

Jack: Penicillin.

Cristina: Penicillin.

Jack: Yes, the penicillin did. Amazing. But the point is ultimately the same thing that, you know, we. I guess the idea is that we just tune out things that people are responsible for when the narrative doesn't fit. We can't say Hitler did it, but he's responsible for such good things. We gotta be like, he's always been evil and everything that came out of his existence is evil. And it's like your life would be garbage had he not murdered a bunch of people.

Cristina: So we just ignore things.

Jack: We ignore things in order to feel good about the fact that we consume things on the bodies of dead Jews. Like, that's the reality of the matter. We have a bunch of this crap, like a microwave that everybody uses every day.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That only exists because he killed a bunch of Jews. Gotta take one with the other.

Cristina: That's a lot to take in. That's a lot. I mean, we're here because of dead Indians and Native Americans, probably Chinese. There's a lot of dead people involved in.

Jack: I mean, now you're talking about something completely different. Right. We're talking about, at this point, the idea that we need these dead people. Without these dead people, it would have been possible. If we're talking, like, you know, Christopher Columbus, he's way important because the United States would only exist because of him. But also, he enslaved a bunch of people and, like, kidnapped people and raped and pillaged and whatever.

Cristina: But.

Jack: But here's. Here's the problem.

Cristina: What?

Jack: We're not thinking about the fact that these people kind of had to die in order for now to be now. The way now is now. Like, every. Everything that's ever happened led to now. That's a fact. Everything that's ever happened led to this moment. So we kind of needed the things that have taken place to take place in order for now to be the way it is.

Cristina: Who would now be better without those things?

Jack: Why was. That's. That's a question that doesn't even make any sense. Because we. We just. We're not in the alternate timeline in which that happened. We're just now.

Cristina: Yeah, we're just.

Jack: All we can confirm is, and those dead people died so that now can happen the way now is happening.

Cristina: Yes, but now we don't have to repeat what we saw or what we did.

Jack: Nobody's saying we're gonna Repeat it. Yeah, we're just saying it's very important that however many people died, like let's. Let's take a trip and wander and we get to Canada and we look into. We're just going through records and we find a building, and we check in the building and we find what? Just a. A bunch of dead children?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Well, guess what people those dead children made. Now, how somehow that improved Canada, or not improved Canada, but it led Canada to be what Canada is right now. So if you love Canada, you have to love those dead children for dying and how they died, because whoever suppressed it, whoever put them in there, let them die, whatever the case might be, then suppressed all the information. They benefited from this. And somehow you benefited from them benefiting from this.

Cristina: Yes. Like what we did with the mentally challenged. How would I say, you know, the people that were special, I guess, that we murdered off. Yeah, like all those people.

Jack: Yeah, all those people needed to die in order for us to then have better genes and then reproduce and then have less of that going on. It's kind of a necessity. Everything. Everything led to. Now. You gotta understand, it's not just that Martin Luther King loves gay sex orgies. It's not just that Hitler killed a bunch of Jews and thus the world became better somehow because technologies came from it. Not because he killed the Jews, but because technologies can't. I mean, out of context, somebody. Somebody's gonna take all these clips and from these clips they are going to make the most offensive. Out of context, they're gonna. I mean, man, they're gonna try to cancel us eventually. But here's the thing, we're uncancelable.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because we're the boss.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah, we're not gonna fire ourselves.

Jack: Yeah, who's gonna show up and be like, hey, hey, you guys. You guys gotta go. We're firing you. You can't. You can't do this anymore. Like, bro, I own everything.

Cristina: But could, like, Spotify be like, we're not playing your stuff anymore, Apple or whatever?

Jack: I guess they could, but chances are they would just slap a warning on us or something because they're not hypocrites like that. Spotify and like Netflix. Irrational thinking companies that don't bend to the left.

Cristina: Okay, so.

Jack: So there's really nothing anybody could do. And like, to be honest, what would they be angry at? In fact. In fact, pay attention to article number one. This here is literally the letter that was sent about Dr. Martin Luther King. I will read it for you.

Cristina: Yes, please.

Jack: Now, it starts where we're addressing the homosexual part specifically. Everything's cut out just so you could see the basic thing. So an all night sex orgy was held with these prostitutes and some of the delegates in attendance. One room had a large table in it which was filled with whiskey. The two Negro prostitutes were paid $50 to put on a sex show for the entertainment of guests. A variety of sex acts deviating from the normal were observed. Previous sexual experiences. This activity is not new to King and his associates. As early as January 1964, King engaged in another two day drunken sex orgy in Washington D.C. many of those present engaged in sexual acts natural as well as unnatural for the entertainment of onlookers. When one of the females shied away from engaging in unnatural acts, King and others of the males present discuss. Of the males present discussed how she was to be taught and initiated in this respect. Throughout the ensuing years and until this date, King has continued to carry on his sexual aberrations secretly while holding himself out to public view as a moral leader of religious conviction. This is a pastor complaining about how anytime he's chilling with this other pastor who they're allegedly hanging out with to do pastor like things. Hey, we do pastor travels and talk about God and stuff. We go to our hotel and he just invites a bunch of b****** and we got a friend to. And then there's parties and alcohol and s*** and it's like, bro, we. There's alcohol, pastures, prostitutes and like gay going on.

Cristina: It doesn't mention gay.

Jack: Well, no, this is part of the letter.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: There are many parts of this letter. We can't get to all of it. He was just ranting consistently and complaining about all the ongoing.

Cristina: I don't understand, like he was close enough. He was close enough to know all the secret stuff. What?

Jack: It's not necessarily particularly secretive. It's just not in the public eye.

Cristina: Okay. So he let everyone.

Jack: Everyone is excessive. It's just he was not. He's not like, cover up master. I got a bunch of people burning documents and I go in a cloak into any room. Like, he's not doing any of that stuff successive. It's just like, yeah, whatever, my room is up there and like I'm in a part of the country that nobody really knows who I am by face, by name. So yeah, we could do whatever, you know, he's not going out of his way to like, well, I got to make sure that this signed some documents. If she talks, I can just sue her for everything she's worth for those 50 I gave her, or whatever, all.

Cristina: The initiation and whatever. Like, what did they want her to do that she was like, this isn't for me.

Jack: Blood orgies, obviously. Can you imagine? He's out here sacrificing m************.

Cristina: What? What? Like, it's something he describes as unnatural. He wanted her to do something she was definitely not comfortable with.

Jack: Maybe Martin Luther King was the first guy to have his a****** licked. And, like, he's like, yeah, I love when they do that. But it was. It was super uber gay. And maybe that's the true gayness he was referring to. The problem is there were other references to actual. Like, some tug in here, some suck in there. So, like, he was kind of going all in on it, but it had to be. Unless that's what he meant by a natural. It's like all the homosexual things are the unnatural part.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because black and male, but still the.

Cristina: Gay girl not being comfortable with, like, she's a. She's a prostitute, probably, right? Like, or she a random girl. Because if she's a prostitute, what is gonna make her uncomfortable? If she. Doing it for the money, I guess she. So I guess licking his b*** would be pretty, like.

Jack: Yeah, licking. You gotta understand the pressures of licking are. Are really, really up there. It's new to her. She's. It's 1960s. She's only experience, essentially giving b******* or getting penetrated. That's it.

Cristina: Yeah. Trying to think of, like, what could be unnatural. That's pretty unnatural, I guess. What if they wanted her to get peed on?

Jack: That's pretty interesting. Were people into that in the 60s? It's possible.

Cristina: It's possible. They would probably consider that unnatural.

Jack: Getting peed on. It's too unnatural.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But, yeah, there's a plethora of things that could be unnatural.

Cristina: You have any more letters or just this one?

Jack: Just this one. To show you some proof of concept right here.

Cristina: That's great.

Jack: Yeah. Dr. Martin Luther King was a unique individual. Now, here's the thing. There were letters sent between many, many people, including Gandhi, to Hitler. And Gandhi sent Hitler some letters, talking to him and referring to him as friend and brother. Now, Gandhi was also exceptionally kind of a person. So he commonly used language like that. You know, it was very normal.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Like, to anyone, he would say that.

Jack: Yeah, exactly.

Cristina: The people he thought was below him.

Jack: Everybody. Everybody. Because he was very kind, even if he wasn't.

Cristina: Okay. Did he have a problem with what Hitler was doing? Or he's like, yeah, you do you. As long as we're equals.

Jack: I. I don't know where he stood on what Hitler was doing.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I'm not entirely sure on that. I know he didn't have. Seem to have a particular problem with Hitler, but he definitely didn't like. Yeah, he didn't have an issue with Hitler as far as the letters go, or he was just being absorbently pleasant. But it doesn't tell us whether he was bothered or not by the things that were happening.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like, I don't know what he thought about Jews. That's an interesting question. Was Gandhi a white supremacist? Not even white supremacist. Was he a N***? An Indian N***? He was totally racist.

Cristina: He was. So it's possible. Yes.

Jack: But was he racist towards Jews? It kind of seemed like he just didn't like black people, primarily.

Cristina: What?

Jack: That was like, his main I don't want them around us problem, you know?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Hitler. Really, really, really, really not Hitler. Golly.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Really, really didn't like black people. That was his, like, shtick.

Cristina: How much black people were in his area?

Jack: All of them.

Cristina: All of them. Where's he from?

Jack: India.

Cristina: India. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Gandhi also had many partners. Man.

Cristina: Partners.

Jack: Yeah, a bunch of women.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Oftentimes teenage girls.

Cristina: Besides little girls that were sleeping in his bed.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: He had. Wait, he was sleeping with them?

Jack: Well, here's the thing, and this is what I'm not clear about because.

Cristina: Because I thought he was having sex. Right. Yeah.

Jack: I'm not clear as to whether he. Because in a lot of the research and a lot of the data, it says he was a sex addict. But in a lot of the data, it also says he was very celibate. It's possible one of these came first and the other one second. And I think being a hoe came first. And then he hoed around a lot, and then he was finally like, no, hoeing is bad. And I'm gonna unho. But I'm gonna unho with tiny little girls next to me.

Cristina: I don't know. It could be the opposite as well.

Jack: Because, like, I love being celibate because sex is for noobs. Anybody who gets rid of their ejaculate has inferior energy and will age quicker. Some crap like that he really believed.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: But eventually he's like, but them tight tea that. Them tight tween vajayjays is nothing like them.

Cristina: Also, was he seen, like, a celebrity or something?

Jack: He was a. Like a peace preacher, philosophy God person.

Cristina: There was girls throwing themselves. Well, not girls, ladies, hopefully throwing themselves at him.

Jack: I Had a whole conversation about this recently. About how, like, it's not just weird that people. Hey, baby. But like, where that comes from and like the era where this was just common is also like a man and his girl.

Cristina: Still probably common.

Jack: It's pretty common. I'm just saying where it originated from. And like, we all know really what it's hinting at. You know, it's the same thing about, like a teenage girl, knee high socks and, you know, we just had this conversation. The fact that, like, why. Why do guys want skinny, scrawny, teeny weeny, teenage, like, not sometimes teenagers. I guess it's the innocence thing, right? They want innocence. People want to corrupt innocence. I don't know what. Okay, In a similar fashion. In a similar fashion. I. I have a theory. I have a theory and I'll connect. Let's. Let's ground the pedo thing, right? Ground the pedo thing right now. Right now, before we get out of here. Okay, this is my theory. This is my theory on how it's happening. Right, baby? Man and his girl. You know, the things are there. All the parts are there. Okay. All the parts are there. All the parts are there. The opinion of it, there's fantasies guys have of lie. You find this in p*** a lot, actually. Women choking, right? Like, like gagging on d***. Oh, you know, like you've heard it before. The 9,000.

Cristina: Is that what that is? I don't know.

Jack: Just. Just women gagging on d***, essentially. That's a whole thing. Makeup running down her face and the whole nine yards. Right.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And there's. There's a whole, like, thing about liking petite females. You know, tiny little ladies. Yeah, Tiny curvy ladies, Short women. We like being larger than our women.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And this all goes along with one real basic fantasy the guys have.

Cristina: What's that?

Jack: Them having bigger dicks. Oh, the younger you are, the more likely you're smaller. The bigger your hands or your mouth or your. The bigger the d*** looks like in comparison to your hands, your mouth, any of your holes. So if a tiny hand grabs a d***, my d*** looks bigger. I'm better. If a tiny mouth wraps around my d***. Oh, my d*** is so big. I'm feeling that whole mouth out.

Cristina: That's all it is.

Jack: You see, you see how it kind of lines up?

Cristina: He wants that big d*** energy.

Jack: Big d*** energy. Guys want big d*** energy. Guys love the concept of them having a larger d***. This comes with all the insecurity. But this basically means any guy who's into any of this in the background of their mind is really just dealing. Because you never hear of like a black guy with a gagging fantasy. No, cuz are just gagging on a furreal, bro. It ain't a fantasy, it's a reality. And it's probably annoying. It's probably like handle it, you know? I got a fantasy of you having actual good gag reflexes. To what? While people who don't have that in reality, it's just like, oh, I wish it. But you need tinier things for it to be more possible.

Cristina: So you need younger.

Jack: Well, younger is just the shortcut because you could just find tinier. Yeah, but you're assured tinier with younger. And a lot of the time I don't even think it's about the younger per se. A lot of guys just find themselves a really tiny lady.

Cristina: It helps if younger because, like, they're not experienced. They wouldn't know.

Jack: Yes. Because you're also like sex God. Like, there's a bunch of s*** going on here. There's many parts. Right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: If they're inexperienced and anything you do is like, wow, you're so good at sex.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: And like they have no reference point for your d***. So wow, your d*** is so big.

Cristina: And if they're disappointed, they can't be.

Jack: It's compared to what? Yeah, you see, it's this whole I'm the s***.

Cristina: Yes, but really, you're cheating.

Jack: You're cheating. Go find yourself an experienced cougar and tell me you have the same level of confidence.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: An experienced cougar. That's your height.

Cristina: That's an amazing challenge.

Jack: Yeah, right. Like now you suddenly come across a problem where, like, you're no longer just by default, a huge d***. You no longer by default, just highly experienced. Like, that's my. That's my real theory. That's like coug struggle more. That's the fantasy of men wanting younger women. It's because you're God by comparison. You will blow her mind if you're her first o*****. If you're taking her virginity, she. You've ruined your life now. She's always gonna want you.

Cristina: Oh, that's messed up.

Jack: Because you're the best she's ever had. Also, like, you're cheating. You're the only she's ever had.

Cristina: Or you're the first, which also brings some type of specialness to it.

Jack: Yes, it's interesting. Yeah, it's all. It's all. It's a bunch of cheating bullshit. It's PC gamer, Call of Duty. It's like you're not actually good. Not really. And like sometimes you come across actually good people and you think they're literally cheating because you actually are cheating and still getting smacked down. That's the white guy who got the tiny little teenage girl and then thought I'm the s***. But comes across a black guy who got super experienced, super old, like hot chick and equals maybe taller than him or some s***. And it's like, I mean, think about it, just think about it. Black guy's got no problem just dating an overweight white girl that's taller than there. Why? Why is it just normal? It's like cuz we got the confidence that I'm still gonna f****** d*** this b**** down and she's gonna come back tomorrow thinking like that was the greatest s*** ever. Doesn't matter how many m************ she f*****, she's coming back here. Go ahead, try it, white boy.

Cristina: Oh, I think you figured out this.

Jack: Is my theory and I think it makes f****** sense.

Cristina: I think you make it. You made it make sense. Yeah. Whoa, Then what's Gandhi doing?

Jack: He's little d*** guy.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess. Yeah, that makes sense.

Jack: Gandhi was like a tiny, skinny Indian dude, right? Yeah, he was playing right into that stereotype. Yeah, but this isn't even racial. This is just a universal fact of being male at this point. Yeah, just guys want to feel better than they are and so we gotta f*** the tiny little girls, bro. It's the only way.

Cristina: But you think Dr. Martin Luther King was like that?

Jack: No, I think Gandhi was like that. Martin Luther King was a black guy. He probably had man ham. He had some severe man ham man him. He had the best man. Him. There's one more bit of proof and then we could get the h*** out of here. One is when it comes to prostitutes, not you talking about Dr. Martin Luther King. He's out here buying prostitutes, right? Yeah, but he's buying prostitutes for this event. Usually. Who is a pimp? It's a black guy. Black guy doesn't need to be impressed. He doesn't need the woman to come and be like, oh daddy, you're so big and daddy, you're so handsome. And this shouldn't that. She's like, b****** make me money. Okay, who's he selling it to? The guy who's like, oh, let me talk dirty to you. And oh, tell me I got the biggest d*** and all this. And who? That's the f****** white guy, bro. That's the white guy who rolled up and so f****** like, oh, that's that One right there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: She can do whatever I want. She can tell me whatever I want to hear. Sad little white guys. Sad little white guys. This is. I'm roving and just playing a violin. What you're seeing right now.

Cristina: Oh, I thought you were playing with his tiny p****.

Jack: No, I'm putting the tiniest little violin for his tiny little p****. Playing the tiniest violin for his sad little pee pee. Yeah, I think. I think I found it.

Cristina: Yep. And I think I learned something about history and men.

Jack: Yeah. I mean, lessons in life. That's what this show's about. This show's about learning about getting educated, about walking away with a better understanding of everything. And a lot of the times everything includes the shadow realm and weird s*** like that, because everything is everything. That didn't happen now. I just felt like telling you guys and reminding yourself that everything comes back to the shadow realm and adrenochrome. And I'm sure that that's probably what the. The weird unnatural was. Maybe this guy was out here raising demons or some bro. He's like, she. He's asking her to do a natural sex accent. It's sex accident. Raising. It's. It had to be blood. It was blood. Sex acts. And she was scared and that was part of the thing.

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know.

Jack: Her being scared was important though.

Cristina: Him.

Jack: Power. That's how he became who he was.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: No chrome he got from these unnatural sex acts that created mad blood and her fear. It was all the adrenaline.

Cristina: Yeah, the adrenaline.

Jack: And then he does the sex thing and then there's blood everywhere. Dr. Martin Luther King was the Satanist. We all know this anyways, of course. Point being, look, you guys want to learn more things about how the world works, about the facts of the universe, well then follow us on Twitter, on Instagram, on Facebook, social media stuff and you'll be notified. Presumably, you know, and all that's at just Combo pod.

Cristina: Yes. Remember to subscribe. We're gonna review the show.

Jack: Yes, mainly the reviews. You know, you gotta let. I guess the algorithms know what you think about the episodes and the show and stuff. And you just put, you know, give us some stars and be like, yo, I like it because this stuff, or I don't like it because of that stuff. You know, that's how the world works. You let people know. You let the.

Cristina: The algorithms know with emojis as well.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Tell your friends that we have revealed how all Your heroes are crooks and most of them are totally h***.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. They. They were helping. Not trying to hurt him, not trying.

Jack: To sabotage him or benefit for anybody outside the wall to with us. They own everything here. It's all equal to them.

Cristina: So they just wanted to help him?

Jack: Well, no. He just asked for help. They're not loyal to. They own all of the above.

Cristina: Do you have any idea if they were helping him? They were.

Jack: They were, but it wasn't there. Yeah, they didn't care in either direction.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They would help whoever came to ask for help because they don't care.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It just so happened to be that he was the one who asked.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Through Lyndon Johnson. Which is funny because when you think about the fact that Penguins Day and Martin Luther King's Day are so closely related, are so closely like they're happening so close together, but they're also so closely related because Martin Luther King needed to talk to Lyndon Johnson. Lyndon Johnson then needed to cross the border through the penguins. Probably get a message to have a penguin escort him.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To deeper in to then where he could get some sort of fairy probably carried by the penguins. Or get to an airfield where these penguins would then get to the planes. It's gonna fly them to the leaders that would then allow him to bring up his case, ask for the help that Martin Luther King asked for, and then come back with a response back through the Arctic, interacting with the penguins again and then making them back in. It's fascinating.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

March 05, 2022

Rambling 165: Society's Need for Attention

March 05, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

Is there even a war going on? Did the singularity already happen? Is our technology just an artificial super-intelligence manipulating our every move and controlling society as a whole? The answer to this and numerous other disturbing questions are uncovered in this episode as the duo aims to get to the bottom of some of life’s most pressing issues.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

War Conspiracies
Bored of Covid
Addictive Technology
Singularity Happened
Chasing Fame
Need for Attention
Darwinism
Standing Out and Blending In
#MeToo Violates Nature
Bill Cosby is Evil
Criminal vs Mental Health Issue
Understanding Evolution
Human Extinction
Everything Based on Everything
Hitler vs Cosby

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

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Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yeah. So be sure to pull somebody nice and close and be ready to go on a doozy of the trip. A doozy?

Cristina: A doozy.

Jack: A doozy.

Cristina: Where is it taking them?

Jack: I don't know. I don't even know what a doozy is.

Cristina: I don't know. I.

Jack: A lot of people say it. Does anybody know what the f*** a doozy is, though?

Cristina: Pretty sure that's the real word.

Jack: I don't. I'm not.

Cristina: I know. How do I know you didn't just make that up because you've heard it before? I have heard it. Have I heard it? I don't know.

Jack: That's a doozy. I don't know. Movies and s***. That's a doozy.

Cristina: Okay, maybe. Mm. How many people do you think actually listen to other people? With other people?

Jack: That's an interesting. Probably not many.

Cristina: Not many.

Jack: Like, really, really.

Cristina: Probably really really.

Jack: Probably not many. I think most people listen to this show on their own and thus don't have the antidote for the cancer.

Cristina: What cancer?

Jack: There's no antidote. But, like, they don't bring their lives purpose after catching a cancer for listening to the show.

Cristina: Yeah. They're just living with that cancer.

Jack: They're living with that cancer. It's totally in vain.

Cristina: Yeah. That's so ridiculous.

Jack: I mean, that's their choice.

Cristina: Does it affect the people in universe two? That not two, three, is it?

Jack: No way to know.

Cristina: Do you guys have cancer?

Jack: That's interesting, right? Maybe they do, maybe they don't.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: If anything, I bet the people in our universe do in fact tell people to listen because they're more loyal listeners. While the people in universe three. Which, by the way, universe three is what you meant.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You said universe two, didn't you?

Cristina: Yeah, and then I fixed it to three.

Jack: Oh, you did? Okay. Well, universe three. The people in universe three probably don't.

Cristina: No, probably don't. They don't know.

Jack: Yeah. They think this is a joke.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I think we're kidding. They're there living in a weird sort of Bubble situation where nothing really happens and they don't know about anything.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And things are kind of sort of similar to over here, but everything is, like, up in the air in a question at all times.

Cristina: Should we be making fun of them? I mean, they are still our listeners. I don't know.

Jack: They are, but it's like, your universe is kind of lame.

Cristina: It is lame.

Jack: Like, okay, right. There's a big crisis over here with Russia and Ukraine. I bet they have a crisis over there with Russia and Ukraine.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In theory.

Cristina: In theory.

Jack: Right. Like, they don't know. There's somebody who's like, but do we know? I haven't seen the war myself.

Cristina: I. I bet. Yes. I bet there's Twitter drama about that. And. Yeah.

Jack: Like, it's. It's United States propaganda. They just want to give us a reason to go invade Ukraine or whatever. Or to go invade Russia or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah, that's probably happening in those crazy mom groups or whatever.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All that s***. They're f******. Ah, that universe is so weird.

Cristina: Yes, it is.

Jack: Like, all right. Oh, man. They probably. I bet if there is anything happening, they're probably questioning the war. Like, is there a war? There's no war. The media's.

Cristina: And people who do think there's a war, there's people who are like, Russia is on the right. I mean, I guess that's has to be.

Jack: There has to be people who believe, like, there's two sides. It's not like one side's objectively evil.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Otherwise there would be nobody supporting that side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The fact that there is a whole other side at all means people think that's the right side.

Cristina: Yeah. So it's almost like Putin's doing that and wrong.

Jack: Yeah. The same way that happens with Hitler sometimes.

Cristina: Yeah, sometimes.

Jack: Sometimes Hitler did nothing wrong. Well, Putin did nothing wrong. Many people believe that. No, what's interesting about this whole conflict is the fact that nobody is at once questioned, ever. The fact that immediately before this conflict really escalated, Biden took all of the soldiers out of Afghanistan and just had a bunch of soldiers ready that he could then establish and put directly around Ukraine in the first place, just in case of s***. And it's like.

Cristina: Should be talking about that.

Jack: People should probably wonder how this absurd.

Cristina: Convenience, like, one month apart.

Jack: Yeah. Like. Like, bro, how.

Cristina: How do you. Where is the conspiracy for this? Dude, there has to be. It has to be us.

Jack: It can't just be us now. D***. We should probably be looking into this.

Cristina: We should be looking into that.

Jack: D***. This is Our job, isn't it?

Cristina: Yeah. F***.

Jack: F***. You don't care about this enough.

Cristina: We will do it. We will. Just not today.

Jack: Yeah, it's not today. This is stupid. This is so.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Because we're just being hypocrites.

Cristina: Ah.

Jack: But we. Whatever. Refer to previous episode to see F****** too much war talk. It's like Covid, bro. It's just like, oh, I'm over it already.

Cristina: Yeah, like Covid. I don't know. Does. Do people still talk about COVID Well.

Jack: They do all the time.

Cristina: All the time.

Jack: And now it's war and Covid. For a brief moment, it was Black Lives Matter and Covid. But Black lives don't really matter, apparently, because we just forget about that every time.

Cristina: And so now it's Covid and War.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Hear people talking about COVID though, I.

Jack: Guess it's just so normalized. People just mandates and this. Yeah, they do. They just. It. It's conversations surrounding Covid. We're not directly addressing Covid anymore. We're like, mandates and laws and you're violating my freedoms.

Cristina: Not about, like, COVID deaths.

Jack: Yeah, we're over that. We're like, whatever kills people. Whatever. Not even, like, crazy numbers. We made that part up for a really long time and convinced people, but people saw nobody dying and realized that made no sense. So, yeah, whatever. Covid.

Cristina: Yes. So what's happening with that trucker war in Canada?

Jack: No, they turned on each other, starved each other out. And then the rich people were like, oh, no, we've been. Our hearts have been changed. Because the. The CDC said it was okay, the World Health Organization said it's okay. And it's like, really? Are you sure it wasn't because your food supply got cut off? It. It might be just totally shot in the dark here, but it might be the fact that the people turned on you and decided to cut your supplies off too, that maybe. Maybe that had something to do with it.

Cristina: Yeah. There's so many. It's so crazy. Companies are just losing employees over this.

Jack: Yes. It's so stupid, because they also want to be politically correct, but they're hurting themselves in the process. Yeah, that's so funny to me, because they don't know where to stand anymore. It's gotten kind of shaky. We are. Okay. We're at this point in society where records state that societies usually collapse when they lose values, traditional values. Tradition usually gets lost, and then societies collapse. And the signs that most psychologists and philosophers point at is when we started talking about gender. Okay, that seems to be the beginning of the collapse from most places. Not to say that the discussion around gender and gender identity itself is the cause of anything. It's not. But it seems to be the starting point of every time the collapse of a society begins. It's around that discussion that begins where we lost literally sense of identity in tradition. We lost that tradition entirely. There was him and her and now plethora. So once we lost that, it's okay to lose any kind of value because we literally lost sense of identity. And that's all we are. We're identity. If we don't have any identity, we have nothing.

Cristina: Interesting. What? In every society.

Jack: In every society that's ever collapsed.

Cristina: And it's not specifically that, though.

Jack: It's not. That's not the cause. It just happens to be the easiest target. They usually start with.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's the same starting point always. So we know we're in the. The fall of society as it is.

Cristina: Mmm. Should we be worried, though?

Jack: It's not. It's gonna happen in the next couple of decades to few centuries, but it's not gonna happen right now.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Like we got other more prominent s*** on the way. Like the singularity could have already happened. And this could totally be why we're all glued to our phones at all times. Like it could have happened. And we're just being mani. Like somebody made an algorithm that was supposed to get us hooked.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And supposed to learn from us to continue to improve on itself on how to get us hooked. Its purposes get us hooked. But everybody's hooked already.

Cristina: Everyone is hooked.

Jack: So the computers already controlling us. It does anything it needs to to get us more hooked.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It just so happens to be that we love outrage.

Cristina: A lot of people do. Yeah.

Jack: So it will create outrage. But then what's the computer ultimately doing? Right. It has to find a way to get us outraged. But the computer doesn't exist in the external world. It's software.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So it needs to also get us to such outrage that we start going out and creating outrage so that it gets then fed back into the system so the system can show that new outrage to more people. So it's mastered a way of getting us, you think, to behave in the outside world.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But with our phones and cameras aimed at it.

Jack: So that then it gets fed back into the system and then it shows everybody that thing.

Cristina: And you don't think it's just people doing that? That's the system itself.

Jack: Definitely. People are doing it. But we only think we're choosing to.

Cristina: We're choosing To.

Jack: We believe we're choosing to do it. I believe I went outside and saw somebody fight and then aimed my phone at the fight instead of trying to break it up.

Cristina: Yeah. And.

Jack: And as a result, I recorded it, put it on Instagram or TikTok or Twitter, YouTube or Facebook, wherever it's gonna go.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It made it into the algorithm. But there's the bigger, greater, more powerful.

Cristina: Algorithm that's gonna put that on top of.

Jack: It's gonna put that on top of everything. Google is a monster that can push anything in any direction and make sure that anything that's moving quickly. Oh, well, any set of combination of words will just link this, regardless of what platform it's on. So platforms don't even really matter. You can find it on Google. It's gonna be at the top of Google no matter what.

Cristina: Yeah. Google will be the first thing. No. I don't know. That's hard. It's all like that.

Jack: They're all like that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You could say that there's one monster, and these are all different body parts of it.

Cristina: Oh, that's exactly how it would be, though.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah. Wow.

Jack: It's all the same creatures, just. We call Facebook. Oh, it's a different. No, it's running on the same Internet.

Cristina: They all pretty much work the same. They all want the same thing. Yeah. They just.

Jack: To get more interaction.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And if there is no new content, then they don't get more interaction. So they need you to go get more content.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So they've trained you to get content by rewarding you for bringing the content.

Cristina: In with hearts and likes and all that stuff. Yeah.

Jack: Fame. The more content you bring into the machine, the more fame you got. We'll put all the eyes on you.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Oh, you want to be known. You want to be somebody. You want to be important. So I'm. Make sure everybody sees you and you get that dopamine Rush. If you just bring me more content.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Just bring me more. It doesn't have to be good. Bring me anything. Anything. If it's on the outside, just bring it in. I don't care what it is. Anything.

Cristina: I think they'll eventually be paying us. Like in one of those Black Mirror episodes. I think the first one was like that, where they. Well, they weren't just doing that, but there was, like, something like that going on. I feel like in the first Black Mirror episode, I don't know if you remember.

Jack: Elaborate.

Cristina: They were working. Oh, no. They were working to power the Internet, I think. But depending on how famous they Were also. I think they were making money off of that. Like his friend went on a show to sing or something.

Jack: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So they can watch content on their bike. Powering. Creating literal energy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But they can also go make content if they're interesting enough.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's interesting. That's. Yeah, that's where we're headed.

Cristina: That's where we're heading. Yeah. I guess for not doing something, a normal job, we're doing that.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: There's just two ways to go now, pretty much.

Jack: You're either consuming it or you are it.

Cristina: Or you are it. Yep. And a lot of people want to be it.

Jack: A lot of people want to be it. Because then you're not working. You're not. You're not. You're either the thing powering the machine or you're the thing that's being powered by the machine.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You want to be what's being powered by the machine. But also that's an illusion. It's the blue pill, red pill scenario. You could be in the blue pill, powering the machine, thinking, oh, yeah, I'm doing my part. This is the safe way to do it. Or you could red pill. Oh, I got out of that life. I'm important now. I know the truth. I'm not just a f****** shill here.

Cristina: But you're doing the same thing that everyone else is doing. You have to watch all the videos like everyone else to see what's popular. And.

Jack: At the end of the day, you're just also feeling the machine, just a different way.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Red pill. Oh, I got out. No, they gave you a pill from within the f****** system. Why would it let you out? Why. Why would the thing that was made, just like the other thing, influence the outside world at all?

Cristina: I don't know. That doesn't make sense.

Jack: No. You need the black pill given to you from outside the f****** system. What's that? Shut the f****** media off and walk away.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's the only way to exit the Matrix. Turn it off. There's no. Well, I'm gonna save people from the. No. As long as it's on. You lost.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You have turned the Matrix off. Walk away from the Matrix. But now we're. We're caught.

Cristina: No, like, we gotta let people know we're getting off.

Jack: We got got. We got got.

Cristina: We got got, got, got.

Jack: We've been got. We've been super got. We got so got.

Cristina: By Facebook, by everything. By everything.

Jack: What started with MySpace, but back then it was truly happy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And Just show yourself off here. Be custom. But then Facebook came around and Facebook was like, I don't like individuality. Let's see race that.

Cristina: Let's erase that.

Jack: How robotic of Facebook. Here's just one basic equal skin for everybody.

Cristina: That's weird. Yes, it is really kind of robotic. And yet everyone was attracted to it because it was the shiny new thing.

Jack: Yes, it's the Sony experience.

Cristina: Yes, it was very modern and yes, it was.

Jack: There you go. Modern is word. There was some ancient kind of rough edges type of thing to MySpace.

Cristina: Yeah, like in MySpace. I don't feel like. Well, I don't remember adding strangers or getting requests from strangers. It felt all family and frenzy kind of thing.

Jack: Oh, you had a lame MySpace life?

Cristina: I guess. And then Facebook though, everyone requested friends with me. I don't know anyone. They're just there.

Jack: No, I didn't know f****** anybody. I had no family, only friends and total strangers.

Cristina: Total stranger.

Jack: I met hella people on MySpace.

Cristina: Oh, wow.

Jack: I don't remember people that I talked to even today.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: People you met?

Jack: No, never in person. I was never the guy to just, hey, let's go f****** meet over there.

Cristina: Yes. I guess people do that though, also.

Jack: How would I explain anything? Hey, man, what do you do for a living? Well, the guy you knew originally got murdered three times over because he was some kind of a snitch. And so, yeah, I'm now his fourth removed clone. It's hard to explain. And you're probably gonna die because I told you that.

Cristina: But why would you tell them that? Why would you pretend to be you? The first you.

Jack: Why would I.

Cristina: Why would you pretend to be the.

Jack: Because I'm honest.

Cristina: You're honest? You have to tell them.

Jack: I don't have to do s***. I'm honest though.

Cristina: Okay. So if you were gonna tell them to meet up, you have to tell them.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Because of your Honest.

Jack: Cuz I'm honest. That's what they call me. Honest Jack. I've never told a lie.

Cristina: I don't know if I've heard that.

Jack: I'm. I'm the most honest.

Cristina: You're the most honest?

Jack: Yeah. No, here's what's weird, man. Everything followed suit with Facebook. Like, Twitter and Facebook kind of happen simultaneously.

Cristina: Mm. But like, same difference.

Jack: It's the same s***. It's just. Here's f****** robotic.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We've sucked out the humanity. We've sucked out the. The only thing that it has is. You can't hide.

Cristina: Facebook, Twitter, Twitter. You can't hide from what?

Jack: From people Is public. There's no hiding on Twitter.

Cristina: Oh, everything is public. Oh, the accounts. You can't make them private accounts.

Jack: I mean, you can make a private account, but. Oh, nobody's doing that. And also, it's not too beneficial because there's. The point is all interact. So you can't. If your account is private, you can also not interact.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, I should know that.

Jack: Yeah. You have to interact with only people who you've let follow you.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's the rules of them. Private.

Cristina: And if you need that likes and those. What is it? Retweets.

Jack: Yeah. Because hashtag, hashtag, hashtag. Yeah. Throw 60,000 hashtags because I'm here too, guys.

Cristina: Yes. That's crazy. They still have that thing where you can only write a sentence in each post.

Jack: I guess. Here's another thing that's interesting. All these things capitalize on our need for attention.

Cristina: That's. That at the end of the day. Yes. That's what we need.

Jack: Yeah. It knows that there was an entire generation of children that were just given technology and ignored by their parents.

Cristina: Yes. Starting with TVs.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: The kids in front of the TV. I guess even before that there was the kids with the books.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like it's. It's always something. The kids with the video games and all the parents.

Jack: Capitalism capitalizes on people's needs for attention.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's all it is. Capitalism capital. Cuz what's clothing if not. Well, I'm trying to follow the current fashion trends.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But why? Unless you're looking for that attention.

Cristina: Yes. Or getting the best shoes or whatever. Yeah.

Jack: People will recognize what I have.

Jack: Why do you want a super nice car if nobody thinks it's nice? And everybody were like, oh, that's disgusting. You wouldn't buy it.

Cristina: No, I guess not. What?

Jack: Exactly. Nobody's like, wow, Lamborghini. I want a Lamborghini. While everybody's like, Lamborghini looks like s***. The rest of the world agrees. There's nobody who's like, oh, yeah, I wanna. I'm a Billy. I'm gonna drive a Lamborghini. The worst looking car in the world. No. Everybody said Lamborghini is beautiful.

Cristina: So everyone wants.

Jack: Everybody wants Lamborghini.

Cristina: They're not that beautiful, but whatever. Yes. They're great. So that's just us needing attention.

Jack: Just needing attention. Everything is capitalizing on the need for attention.

Cristina: That's crazy. What? Yes.

Jack: Interesting, because it's counterintuitive to survival. Like instinct would need us to blend in for survival sake.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So why is there this drive that seems to be, now that I think about it, granularly, like, engraved into our instincts and DNA almost where we're always looking for the attention. But that doesn't make any sense. That's a real paradox.

Cristina: But we like winning prizes. I don't know. That's weird. But, yes, it's like winning prizes. It's like something if. Something about being special. I guess that's a human thing too, though. You want to be special for some reason.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Well, that doesn't even. That's part of a bigger conundrum. Okay. So instinct says blend in and go unnoticed. That's survival.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Give me the attention. I need, all the things that everybody else wants so that people are happy that I have it, and they want to be around me and they'll notice me. They'll notice me. I'll get the attention. I'll be like everybody else. But also I want to win the stuff. I want to be the only one who wins the stuff.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So you want to blend in, stand out, and be like everybody else simultaneously.

Cristina: What's that about?

Jack: Always how.

Cristina: That doesn't make sense.

Jack: That's an interesting paradox we've got going on there.

Cristina: Mm. But where do we get that from?

Jack: I know where we get the need to blend in.

Cristina: To blend in, That's. Yeah. But to stand out.

Jack: To stand out. That's. This particularly dangerous.

Cristina: Then again. No, I guess that does come into play when it comes to looking for partners. That type of thing. The sexual drive.

Jack: Interesting. Okay, we're getting some. Oh, yes.

Cristina: Because you have to stand out usually. Or I'm pretty sure in every animal kingdom type thing, you got to stand out some way.

Jack: So this is all Darwinian bullshit.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's no fighting it. Basically. This is all Darwinian bullshit because. Yeah, you're totally right. It's like doing the dance.

Cristina: It's like. Yes. The bird doing.

Jack: I got the best dance. So now you want to get bird f*****.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it's like, okay, that makes sense. He's trying to stand out. But also, you travel in flocks because it's safer.

Cristina: Yes. They. Yeah. Birds do both. Humans do both.

Jack: Humans do both. They want to stand out and they want to blend in.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Simultaneously. But that still leaves one thing out of the equation.

Cristina: What's that?

Jack: Which is following these trends because to stand out, to be the winner, to succeed, that's all about the mating call. To blend in, to disappear into plain sight, to be unnoticed amongst a crowd of those identical to you, that is about survival. So what is this need for attention by blending in? That's a weird middle ground of these two points. Well, Jordans are popular.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There are people who can't afford Jordans. I want Jordans. Okay. But that's not even the best anything. You just. You want Jordans because they want Jordans. Yeah, I want Jordans because they want Jordans. But you would want something better than Jordans. In fact, you wouldn't want Jordans. You want something nobody else has. If you were just trying to stand.

Cristina: Out exclusively, but then for the sexual, that wouldn't work. Because you want the person you're trying to attract to notice what you have to. If you get something out. So out outside of the box, like, they wouldn't got you.

Jack: Yes. You're totally right.

Cristina: Wouldn't care.

Jack: It needs to make sense.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To the person you're doing the dance for.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If they don't know what the f*** you're doing, they're like, he's having a seizure.

Cristina: Yes. That's why you need that Lambo, because they know Lambo. They might not know anything about it.

Jack: But they know Lambo. Yeah. Yeah, they know Lambo. Nice car. Everybody thinks nice car.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. Okay. So there's really just two things. It's not three.

Cristina: It's two things. Yeah.

Jack: It's the need to blend in and the need to stand out. Simultaneously.

Cristina: Yes, simultaneously. Wow. Yep.

Jack: Weird problem that we have in society. We need to blend in and we need to stand out.

Cristina: And the Internet gives that to us. It gives us both.

Jack: Yes. Because by blending in, we're watching.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We are another consumer like the rest of them.

Cristina: Yes. Or we're competing in the same challenges. Or we're doing the same dance.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: But stand out is like, we got the most likes in those things.

Jack: Oh, yes. Oh, yes. I did the same thing, but I'm the one who became famous from it.

Cristina: Yeah. I got the most watch. I got the most likes. I got the most comments, whatever it is that makes you happy.

Jack: That's fascinating. Our psychology is so f***** up.

Cristina: Yes. We're animals.

Jack: We are. We a hundred percent are. We're definitely animals. And we're definitely brainwashed by our just society as a whole. But it is survival tactics. This is just needing to meet.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I want to stick my d*** in something.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Or I want something's d*** stuck in me.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And see, there are. Yeah. Either or. And also, I want to go unnoticed as it's happening.

Cristina: As it's happening. What?

Jack: Yeah, I want to get plowed. Because reproduction.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But also my child got to survive. I can't just be standing out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we got it. It's a balancing act.

Cristina: It is.

Jack: It's about weaving in and out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You want to be out the second the mating partner looks. And in the moment the predator does.

Cristina: In.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You want to stand out of the crowd. Oh, that's. Yes. Got it. Nailed it. That's it right there. What the type of. So we have to always be within the crowd.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's point one. We have to be inside the crowd. We're never really exiting the crowd. That's why we want to make it inside the crowd. Because if the predator comes by, you know, eat something on the outside. I want to be towards the center.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so everybody knows I gotta stand out only from us. But I gotta look the same to anything that's not us.

Cristina: That will make you in the center of the crowd. Maybe. Right.

Jack: The closer to the center of the crowd you are, the more literally everything revolves around you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the more focal point you are.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But you're safe from the creatures outside. Noticeable from the creatures inside the crowd. That's the goal. Simultaneous. It sounds crazy until you think of it under that light. So there is a cat. And the cat is out there. And we are a bunch of goat f****** s***. Ton of goat.

Cristina: We're a goat. F***.

Jack: Ton of goat.

Cristina: Now you're a goat.

Jack: We're go. We're all goats. I'm a goat. You're a goat. He's a goat. She's a goat. We're all go, tay.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: But there's a cat. And we know there's a cat. That cat's gonna pick somebody the f*** out. Now the goal is simple. My horns. I'm a male. Go. Ooh. I got a. My horns gotta look nice. You want my horns? She wants my horns. That b**** over there wants my horns. All the b****** want my horns.

Jack: Because I keep sharpening my horns. Now I just look like a f****** goat to the cat.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You know, I just look like a f****** goat. But I know that you can tell horns. So I'm just gonna do the thing that I know. You know, I'm gonna sharpen the horns. I'm gonna get the Jordans.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Cuz I know you know what the Jordans are. I know the f****** goat knows horns. The goat's looking for the best horns. Oh, that goat has some nice horns. I'm gonna let that. That f******.

Cristina: That goats gonna stick it the goats really doing that? It's gonna get its willy wet, I'm assuming. Yes. Right? The biggest horns.

Jack: F******.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I'm guessing. Yeah, but like, yeah, it could be. Hey, I could totally hit that on the head. I don't f****** know. But the goal is I am an overpowered goat with great horns. It might not be the best goat, but look, you can tell my horns are nice. And you like nice horns. Yes, because you were told nice horns means I can defend you from those cats. From those cats.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: At least a little. At least enough for you to protect our babies.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But also, I might survive more.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: Because everybody's gonna focus around me. Ooh. Cuz I got nice horns.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They won't look at my horns.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They're circling us. Who? Our whole family is protected by the whole horde, by the whole herd.

Cristina: Because of your horns.

Jack: Because my horns. Yeah, but what if I lead the pack? Oh. Oh. I still blend in to the cat. You can't tell who the f*** I am. No, but you guys know I lead the pack. Ooh.

Cristina: Ooh.

Jack: All the b****** want this pack leading horn f****** goat.

Cristina: Well, I guess the cat would notice. The cat's gonna go after the smallest looking. Don't they usually look for s*** on the outside? Yeah.

Jack: Cat is not gonna work its way towards the center. No, he's gonna pick out whatever f****** stragglers on the outside. You want to be on the outside. You want the attention, which means you. Attention means everything surrounds you. All the b****** want you. They.

Cristina: So you better take care of those horns.

Jack: Here's the other problem. And I guess this is the man's psychology ultimately as well. If I got the nice horns and all the women are surrounding me, and a cat attacked woman's more likely to die. They're surrounding me. Those horns made a human shield.

Cristina: Made a human goat shield. Huh?

Jack: See how that works? Very guy thing to do. Well, I'm gonna get into a position of power.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then the second harm comes my way, I'm throwing that b**** under the bus. Oh, s***. Nature women. That means that the me too movement is totally unjustified. Because why? It's nature.

Cristina: It's nature.

Jack: It's survival. It's instinct. Meaning Bill Cosby did nothing wrong.

Cristina: What?

Jack: This. That crazy? He's the only one we can factually be like, that's a f****** monster. Without it, we couldn't cast doubt on that case in the f******. In his wildest dreams.

Cristina: Nah, that's a scary case.

Jack: Yeah, there's no way to cast out on that. Like, realistically. Realistically. Yo, it's. I can cast doubt on Hitler, bro. It's harder to cast doubt on Bill Cosby than Hitler. Than Hitler. Oh, s***. I don't know, because Bill Cosby didn't wake up and was like, I'm doing the right thing. Like, there's no way you had that thought. Hitler had more ability to have that thought in his circumstance, thinking, well, this is the right move for these people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: My people have to survive, and we're gonna figure it out. Versus I'm a drug, a b****. It's like, holy f***, bro. How are you wor.

Cristina: I wonder what his excuse. Like, I'm so old, I can't tell which is the medicine or whatever. Like, what I'm putting in these drinks. It's just accident. Oops.

Jack: Yeah, my. My erection pill slipped, and I dropped a roofie in her drink.

Cristina: Oops. Like, is that his excuse? What?

Jack: Dude, I don't know. It's crazy. I can sooner cast out on Hitler than Bill Cosby.

Cristina: That is crazy.

Jack: That is crazy. And look, people want to decide what it will Cosby at the beginning because it's just another black guy being screwed.

Cristina: In a very rich and famous one.

Jack: Very rich and famous one. If he fits a suit of just being a target.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But also, d***, bro, that's the one we can't defend. Not even a little.

Cristina: No.

Jack: That's kind of a monster. He's up there with R. Kelly.

Cristina: That's.

Jack: No, we. No. No.

Cristina: I don't know. No, they're both monsters.

Jack: We can cast more doubt on or we can cast doubt on R. Kelly.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Oh. Because their parents let them wonder.

Jack: Parents let them two. We drew the line. And some people have sexual preference. Maybe it's not a criminal problem as much as it is a psychology problem. And he needs mental help. Because if we're saying this is wrong and you shouldn't do it and he has an urge that he can't control, then is he the culprit or the victim?

Cristina: Oh, my God.

Jack: You see how that goes? Oh, I can cast doubt on f****** anything, bro. We talk about all this. It's impossible. Because we do. That's an interesting case, though, because we do do this mental health thing where we're like, you know, mental health matters, and we got to take care of people's mental health, but unless they murder. No, he didn't murder anybody.

Cristina: I know, but they also don't like it when mental health people murder people. Yeah.

Jack: No. 100% you're totally right. And that's not fair.

Cristina: That's not fair.

Jack: Because if it's genuinely a mental health.

Cristina: Problem, we shouldn't be taken care of.

Jack: Then they should be taken care of and they shouldn't be punished for something out of control.

Cristina: Yeah, Yeah.

Jack: I am on the side. Oh, God. This sentence. I am on the side of helping the pedophiles not f****** rape children. Don't help the pedophiles. Get the kids. Help them deal with the thing. And the problem is discerning person who doesn't give a f*** and is fully lucid from somebody who can genuinely not think straight because of the urge.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If we can somehow figure out how to split that and be like, this a******'s a f****** monster. He knows he probably shouldn't be doing this and he just doesn't care. He just. He's using mental health as an excuse.

Cristina: Just be able to figure that out if a person was kidding or not.

Jack: No, because there's no. A psychologist is a scientist. And all science is estimate. You're trying your best.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Nothing is. Everything is a theory. There's no fact. There's no fact.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: There's the theory of things, but there's no fact. And that leads to some pretty mucky waters because if we lean in the favor of. It's all mental illness. But what about the guys who are totally fine, we give. Gave them a free pass to f****** rape people, you know, that's f*****.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we can't just blanket say it's mental health because we let a lot of people go and do, like priests, bro. How do you position yourself so tactically? You're a f****** monster. That's not mental health. You had tactics.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This was thought out. You didn't just have an urge, couldn't control and f*** the kid. No. You decided in a job that would tactically place you with children in order to better f*** kids.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's f***** up.

Cristina: Very different.

Jack: And you also kind of knew that they would cover for you. Mm You. That's. That's all premeditated.

Cristina: How would you know that, though? Like, how many priests were doing that before the norm? I don't know, like a priest decided, yeah, that's the place for me. Or not a priest. A person who decides I'm gonna be a priest because of that. Like, how is that even known? Or is it just coincidence that these priests do this? Not quite into, like, I'm assuming they don't know each other, these priests that are doing this.

Jack: No, but it Makes sense as a position that is protected at all times because people hold religion so sacred that, you know, that you can almost do anything. But because people are more scared to question their faith.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You probably get a free pass.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's a synosis.

Cristina: Hypnosis.

Jack: Yeah. You're using their mind, knowing they are more scared of a genie in the sky than they are of you raping their children. Okay, so it makes sense that at least the majority of those cases are not a mental health problem. Those are f****** pieces of s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But when we go to this song about the guy singing about I like little girls or whatever f*** he's singing about, he's not singing about f****** little girls.

Cristina: No, he's talking about his problem.

Jack: His problem. He's actively saying he doesn't f*** little girls, but I have a problem. I have this urge that never goes away to f*** little girls.

Cristina: He does not say that literally in those words.

Jack: But that's the ultimate point of the song.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And in his case, that's a mental health problem.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: He's a guy who's saying, well, I wish I didn't. It sucks to want this because I know I will be ostracized, imprisoned and ridiculed and hated by the world, so I can't do what I like.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which is a sexual preference. At the end of the day, it is. And that leads us into muckier grounds. Right. Because then we have to say, well, not all sexual preferences are valid. Ooh, now we've entered it. There's some many sexual preferences that aren't valid. Oh, no, but everybody's. No, cuz f****** kids is a sexual preference. So you got, you know, there's a line.

Cristina: There is a line.

Jack: There's a line.

Cristina: There's definitely a line. Because if you think about, like, people who are into animals.

Jack: Yeah, there are lines.

Cristina: There are lines.

Jack: Not every sexual preference is valid, which means there are incorrect sexualities.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: Ooh. Ooh. All sexuality is fine. Then be okay with pedos, f*****.

Cristina: No, that's tough.

Jack: But then we. We drew the line. We made the lineup.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So saying f****** kids is wrong is about the same as saying f****** a guy is wrong because we made that up too.

Cristina: Yes, this problem, that is a problem.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: But it's wrong.

Jack: Well, we're raised in a culture in which is wrong. And it's highly disturbing to at least those of us conditioned into the culture. Yeah, but there are people who are just disconnected enough or something happened that rewired them just enough to make that okay.

Cristina: Mm. So like if the more people rewired that way it become more okay or something like.

Jack: Yeah, actually. Yeah. That is literally how it works. Majority rules.

Cristina: Whatever.

Jack: Is the majority is the norm and everything else is what's strange.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So if we said more than 50% of the population that it was alright to f*** little girls. Well, I guess little boy, little kids f*** children. Then it would sway law and everything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it would just be all right to f*** kids. We would stop giving a f***.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: But it would just be normal at that point too. Like by definition.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We would just be like, oh, whatever, f****** kid. Yeah, everybody does it.

Cristina: We don't live there.

Jack: No. We live in the one where that s***'s wrong. Yes, well, but it is totally like a coin flip. It's just by mere chance that we're.

Cristina: In a society that doesn't.

Jack: Yeah, 100%. We could have ended up making a law or not making laws that supported the concepts of children had that not happened in the 1860s. Where would we be right now? Many people have parents that were 12 years old when they had their first child. This is a reality of the world. This is some s*** that was happening. Yeah. They were grown men, 40 year olds, married to 12 year olds.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Society was normal. That was normal in society.

Cristina: So was it ever normal with animals, though?

Jack: That's a weird one.

Cristina: That's a weird one.

Jack: It's a f***** one.

Cristina: Yes. There's other messed up ones, but that one is sticking out. But it's not true. It's just. It just sounds horrible.

Jack: Yeah. Because also how do we. But then we don't give in the same world where f****** children is fine. F****** an animal, I guess in theory is fine too, because how do. In both cases, how do we prove consent?

Cristina: I guess that's the problem. I guess we have to at least agree. Maybe that's the line.

Jack: That's the line. But then where do we decide the consent is of lucid mind.

Jack: Right. So, okay, we get. We can. Animals don't speak English. Fine. We chalk off all animals because we said consent. We have to verify consent. Factually.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We have to interpret a f****** animal.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What about a kid who can talk and says yes, please?

Cristina: Yes, that's a problem. I don't know. We have a problem.

Jack: Right. Because consent can't be the line. Because there needs to. There needs to be more on this side of the line than just stopping people from f****** kids. We have laws and s***, but the kids aren't taken into Account from their point of view. How do we just. How do we say somebody is. Because we know there's kids who are more mature than other kids.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Okay. How do we. And this is the f****** case of individuality. Right? This is where that breaks down hard. Because you have to sacrifice individuality for this. To generalize and say, well, by vast majority, around this point, it seems like it's the right time.

Cristina: Yeah. I mean, that's what we do.

Jack: Yeah, that's what we do. That's the right move.

Cristina: It's the best move.

Jack: Because how are we gonna distinguish one child from the other? The level of maturity, their capacity, their understand, understanding of what's going on. How this is going to impact them.

Cristina: I don't know. We make new jobs for people that way, though. If we have people to evaluate everyone.

Jack: Yeah, man. We just need. We need a lot of mental health care.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But also, look, I think where we got it is right. Where we got it is right. It's like. It's not right. I wouldn't say it's right. It could be. It could be younger. It could be older. I don't f****** know. But we have something. Yeah, we have something. Better than nothing.

Cristina: Yes. It's good enough for the moment, but.

Jack: Then we don't stop s*** like churches, huh? We give them the pass. At least in the United States we do.

Cristina: I don't know about that one. I don't know. That's not right.

Jack: It's weird, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because we know they're f****** doing it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But we let them because, well, God. God? What God? God wants your children f***** by grown man. Dude. There's no f****** way. Come on.

Cristina: I don't know. We should cancel some of the religions. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, I think Catholicism has run its course. On the flip side, we're in a transition period.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Well, first everything happens to be philosophy. Then it is the science, and then it is the religion. Everything goes through those same three stages. So there's a bunch of people sat down as, like, philosophizing. Where did everything come from?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And somebody said, well, maybe somebody made us, because it looks like there's too much order for it to be random chance. Then enough people believe it for long enough. Well, this is science. Now we're explaining how origin happened.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we're gonna teach this to everybody so we can see everybody's feedback about how origin happened. And we're gonna build the biggest, most intricate, most comprehensive picture we can about how origin happened. And then. Okay. What's the next step? Well, we're gonna put laws around that. Okay, great, great. Laws. Laws are everywhere. So I guess it's philosophy, then science, then politics, then religion. Because then we build laws around this. So we have laws literally built around religions. That happened for many, many years. Laws built around religion. We're gonna force this on the people. But then it surpasses just law and enters a realm of belief. It's been around so long, we don't know where it came from. We don't know how it got to where it is. This is passed down from the gods.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Divinity passes over so that we're. That same thing is happening right now with the new one, which is. We're literally calling it science. But physics is where it's at. Right. So general relativity and s*** like that. And so general relativity began as philosophy. Well, what's the nature of order? Got you. Okay. Went through philosophy. Well, we're gonna. We need to calculate it. Science entered.

Cristina: Where's the law part?

Jack: Well, then we're trying to use this to dictate that religion, the old things no longer apply. We can tell that with relativity and with physics and with all that that breeds in chemistry and biology and all the things that came from these same kind of general areas. Well, people are living things, and we can say that people deserve individual rights and that's okay. So we have this whole mentality going on. We're crossing into the. The part people like Neil Degrasse Tyson are already pushing into the point where it's becoming law. Things are becoming law based on the science.

Cristina: Yeah. So.

Jack: Well, we don't agree. We do agree. Okay, well, climate change. We need to f****** laws. Oh, and sexuality. We need to laws. And so a bunch of things are happening surrounding the current state of. Not science. Current state of nature.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: In which we're in the. The political state of it. So we already passed the philosophic state and we passed the science state in which we calculate it. Now we're in the law state. We have all the numbers. We figured the thing out. We have all the numbers. Now we're trying to put laws around those numbers. But eventually we're gonna lose where those laws came from and we're just gonna know that they exist.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's religion.

Cristina: That's religion.

Jack: That's how religion happens.

Cristina: Once we lose where it came from.

Jack: We lose the fact that it was philosophy, then science, and then politics. We just know it exists. And we lost all that other s***. That's religion.

Cristina: And we're heading there we're heading into.

Jack: We're. Yes, we're in the political part right now. Yeah, everything is political right now.

Cristina: So much political.

Jack: Yes, but it's all politics based on nature. Before nature was. Well, where do we come from? Maybe something made us. Okay, stage two. Something made us. How do we calculate it? Well, look at the stars. Oh. See the dots? How could they connect? There's a picture up there. Ah, yes. Oh, yes, There's a picture up there. See? Okay. So we need to put laws around these calculations we've made about the fact of order and stuff. And somebody was like, yeah, so order says, this bad, that good. And you can't do anything that's bad. Okay, okay, we can't do anything that's bad. What about the good stuff? Yeah, yeah, do the good stuff. But then eventually. Where the f*** did any s*** come from? I don't f****** know, dude. F****** the goddess, talking about gave it to you. Oh, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Order and s***, right? Yeah, yeah, Ordering s***. Got you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ordering s***.

Cristina: Okay. And what was this? The philosophy of today? I guess.

Jack: The philosophy of today, it always comes back to nature.

Cristina: We're just.

Jack: We're always recalculating nature.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And so the philosophy was setting. Yeah, it's like as soon as it becomes religion and we forgot where we got it. Well, I don't know where that s*** came from, but we need an answer for where everything came from that we can prove. So we always restart. Yeah, we restart. We go back to what we got to be able to prove it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so we already went through the philosophy. We went through the calculations. We're in the politics. And when the politics are done in enough distance has been made from the politics, we land right back at religion.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the current nature explanation of physics and of chemistry and of biology and of string theories, that's gonna be religion. But when that's religion, somebody's gonna be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, great. We don't know where the f*** this s*** came from. And, yeah, it explains whatever the f*** you want to explain, but we need to figure out how nature works, and we need to, like, sit down and really think about this. And somebody's gonna, oh, yeah, yeah. Sit down and think about this. And then we're back to square one, where everything that's nature's explanation now is just religion.

Cristina: Religion. Because we've forgotten.

Jack: Because we forget. We always forget that, well, it was the same road over and over.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Which is weird because f****** technology is abusing that s*** too. How because it's manipulating the fact that we're on this quest to find out the truest truth. We didn't have technology before.

Cristina: No.

Jack: But now we have technology. And technology is feeding into how this narrative is carved, which starts to muddy the waters. This is the first time we have that problem happening. But also we must evolve. And it seems like technology is forcing that on us. We're probably gonna go extinct. And the next version of us is AI it's our baby.

Cristina: It's our baby. It's gonna take over.

Jack: Yeah. It's the next step. We will be, at some point a species of non organics. And it's entirely because us organics have died out.

Cristina: That's pretty cool.

Jack: And it's gonna start with genetic engineering and CRISPR or whatever.

Cristina: People are always so afraid of that. Even though if it is the next step, what's there to be afraid of?

Jack: It's gonna happen so gradually we'll never notice it happened.

Cristina: Yeah. Like whatever we were before. You think they were afraid?

Jack: No, they never thought about it. People are scared thinking about it. Like it's gonna happen overnight. But also, people don't understand evolution.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess because we won't notice.

Jack: No, you gotta understand how stupid people are. People who don't believe in evolution literally say, well, why haven't monkeys evolved anymore? What the f*** kind of retarded question is that? What do you. Of course they're evolving, just not gonna. The f*** do you think they evolve? Like Pokemon.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now you're a different creature.

Cristina: I don't know. We gave a monkey a stick and expected a transformation.

Jack: Yeah. We're like, well, if it f******. If the monkey gives. Really do evolve. Why aren't they humans yet? Cuz. Cuz we're human.

Cristina: What? Yeah. I don't know.

Jack: Get a time machine. F****** fast forward. You'll see it happen.

Cristina: Yeah, like it's not gonna. It's not gonna be magical.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Everyone's expecting some type of magic.

Jack: These are dumb. People believe religion is still a f****** functional thing. They think there is a God.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Who has created the universe. Which. The best argument for that is Santa Claus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, hands down, that makes sense. Yeah. The best argument for that is Santa Claus, of all things. Nobody's eating that.

Cristina: No, I don't think so. That. He wins.

Jack: He wins by default. There's nothing as overpowered to Santa Claus.

Cristina: We're only here so that we're worried about gifts.

Jack: About gifts. Capitalism is true God. Yes. We're only here so that we're worried about not getting Stuff.

Cristina: Yep. It makes sense. Yeah. Like, why else would he make us?

Jack: And here's the funniest part. Because again, even Christmas comes feeds back into this whole s*** for attention. Right. If my gift is good enough and everybody else likes my gift, I can show off my gift to everybody, and they're like, oh, look how awesome you are.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. It's the same thing.

Jack: So we worry. Yeah, man. Santa Claus, bro. He just a savage. He gets it.

Cristina: And that's why we like our birthdays also, I guess, because.

Jack: Because we're the focal point.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Everybody surrounds us. Nevertheless, it's both things. We stand out, and we're in the.

Cristina: Middle of the crowd, and maybe the people who are giving you gifts are like, oh, mine is going to be the best gift. I guess.

Jack: Yes. Because they're also trying to outdo everybody else.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because not only do you want everybody's attention.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But they want. They want the same thing. They're using the opportunity the same way. Oh, look how good the. The gift that Bob bought is.

Cristina: Yeah. He's so great.

Jack: Yeah. Bob is. Bob is the best gift giver. You want that reputation.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Bob is the best gift giver.

Cristina: That's me. So.

Jack: Well, you want to show up to a birthday party and have people expect you more than they expect the birthday person. And you want to know, oh, man, I can't wait to see what Bob got Steve.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Bob always gets everybody the best. S***, what's it gonna be this year?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's like, wait, is this Steve's day, or is it Bob's day?

Cristina: It's Bob's day.

Jack: Well, we're gonna come and sing Happy Birthday for Steve, but, oh, boy, what's Bob gonna pop up with? Like, Bob won the game.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because Bob gets it. I can be the center of attention where I'm not the center of attention.

Cristina: Yeah. It probably works like that for everything. You want to host the party. It's. You want to do the best.

Jack: Yeah. Well, actually, hosting a party is literally surrounding yourself with people.

Cristina: Yes. But you're not just around. You have to, like.

Jack: No, you want to be known as the life of the party, whether or not you hosted the party.

Cristina: So you're competing for that. Okay.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Everything's a competition.

Jack: Everything's a competition. You want to stand out inside of the crowd.

Cristina: Yes. Because it has to be with other people who are participating in what you're doing.

Jack: Yes. Because you can't be doing something that nobody else is doing, because then you stand out too hard, and now you're an angel.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now, the people who we admire the most are the people who stand out without blending in, because. Wow, that's impressive. I would never do that.

Jack: We look at somebody like Jack White who's just way the f*** out there in the field alone. He's like, come at me, you stupid cats. Just hanging out. Come at me, you stupid cats. I'm out here alone. You don't want to bite me?

Cristina: I don't know. He's singing and he's playing a guitar, and there are other people singing and playing guitars.

Jack: Oh, fair enough.

Cristina: So he might be the best at singing and playing guitar, but he's not doing something unique.

Jack: What about Elon Musk?

Cristina: He's making rockets, but other people make rockets.

Jack: Are other people really making rockets? It seems like kind of everybody else.

Cristina: Rocket maker.

Jack: No, no, no. People literally stopped making. NASA literally stopped making rockets.

Cristina: Other countries are still making rockets because they're still doing other projects. Like China with the moon, I guess.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: NASA was always doing stuff with Mars and rovers and stuff.

Jack: Yeah, I guess you're right.

Cristina: They're small projects. Like, no one pays attention to those projects. But now everyone wants to pay attention because Elon Musk.

Jack: Because here would be the problem. Right. You're totally right. You're totally right. And here's the problem with the logic that I'm proposing. You could, in theory, just do something nobody knows about. But why would anybody give a s***?

Cristina: Do something that nobody knows.

Jack: Okay. Imagine computers didn't already exist when we got a smartphone.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then what the f*** is this? What's a phone? Yeah, I'm gonna use the call. What's this other s*** it's doing? I don't know. This is just. Stuff happens.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Great. I'm gonna use it for calling then.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The fact that a computer existed first, like. Yeah, iPhone. Yeah. Super clever. Interesting thing. Wow. It didn't exist before, but just kind of did.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: A million parts.

Cristina: Yeah. Just put all parts together like that. You can't just make something that nothing was even. Even similar to.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because computer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Well, you. You put the newspaper or the. The science journal.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: On a screen. It's. The thing already existed. You just change how it looks. Yeah, well, Science journal. Well, I just took note of observations instead of just talking to Bob about it. And I can talk to Bob, but Bob can hear the conversation later.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Instead of right now, when I said it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Okay. So conversation delayed. Well, conversation. I need to warn you about the thing in the bush without just pointing. So I'm a scream. Because maybe you're not looking at me. I'm like, oh, s***. Language happened. Because I'm not always looking at you.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: But. But you just pointed with your voice.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Like, okay, so pointing. Then that was the first thing. Was pointing at the bushes.

Cristina: The first thing maybe.

Jack: And somebody invented. Over there. Over there.

Cristina: Thing.

Jack: Thing.

Cristina: Ah. Had to be.

Jack: Because something had to come first.

Cristina: Yes. You're trying to figure out what was the first thing.

Jack: And then everything else came from that.

Cristina: Ah, I don't know.

Jack: Well, a car. Well, the wheel happened, and we were on carriages.

Cristina: Electricity.

Jack: Electricity.

Cristina: That's pretty unique.

Jack: Here's the problem with electricity. Right. Electricity is a particularly interesting thing because electricity didn't invent anything. We figured out that there has to be something that could efficientize everything already existing and then use that logic to proceed.

Cristina: Yeah, that's pretty much what it is. Like, yeah. It was lights before electricity, but now we got even cooler lights.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I had a torch longer.

Jack: How do I turn on the torch without the fire?

Cristina: Yeah, that's pretty much.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Advanced what was already there.

Jack: Well, a mechanical engine. Torch. But electricity put the electricity in car. Oh, now I don't need the torch inside the car. Now I could just put the electricity. Much safer.

Cristina: Yeah. So everything comes from something.

Jack: Everything is everything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Right now I'm sitting in front of a microphone.

Cristina: No way.

Jack: This microphone is just conversation. But louder.

Cristina: Yes. Yes, it is.

Jack: How to turn the volume up if my voice doesn't go up higher? Make a thing that makes your voice go higher.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, has there ever been anything invented that wasn't because of other things?

Jack: Yeah. Like, what's the first thing? At best, there had to be one first thing, and then everything else came out of that.

Cristina: So you think the first thing is something that didn't come from anything at all?

Jack: The first thing had to come from nothing? Well, no, no, because you looked at nature.

Cristina: Exactly. So you're still inspired by something.

Jack: Yeah. Okay. A flying machine. Well, I looked at a bird.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And nature did it first, then.

Cristina: Yeah. So there's nothing really original.

Jack: There's nothing original. It's impossible.

Cristina: It's impossible. Yeah.

Jack: D*** Is. Oh, s***.

Cristina: What?

Jack: That's how we cast doubt on Bill Cosby.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because he was just. He was innovating, not inventing. That means he saw something happen that we haven't reported on because the rest of us didn't see it happen. And he was like, ah, I see how that works. I'm gonna do that. So what? I mean, we know the Music world in the mute and the like.

Cristina: Obvious. He's not the first person to.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Yeah, you just don't.

Jack: He. We were pointing at him really hard because he got caught.

Cristina: Yes, but he got that idea from something.

Jack: The number of monsters hidden in the dark that are doing that very same. We don't talk about that. That's scary. We just. We just don't address that fact.

Cristina: He just got it from movies.

Jack: Where the movies got it from. Oh, we just don't talk about this. Yes, because like, it came from somewhere and we don't like that. That Phil Cosby wasn't the first. Unless we're gonna say he's a genius.

Cristina: Yeah. He invented.

Jack: He's the smartest man on earth. He made a thing based on nothing.

Cristina: Nah. No, he definitely. No, that doesn't make it any right.

Jack: It doesn't make it any right. But how do we know that in his mind these things didn't click? And he's the victim here because. Well, my mind power. Oh, no. I'm going crazy because I'm too smart for my own good. And drugs. Yes. Wait, what? He's a scientist. He's running experiments.

Jack: And science must move forward. He's running experiments and he's like, what happens if I. Well, I've seen it work. He's like Mythbusters, Right? He's like, do roofies really make women pass out? And so he gives the first one and he's like, well, the next experiment was, do women really get scarred if they get raped while passed. She's unconscious. How would she know? So now, and he's over here with his science notations, taking all the notes. I'm like, okay, now she's raped, but she was unconscious. When she wakes up, I'll tell her nothing happened and I'll cat. I'll be her friend for the next 40 years. I'll take notes and see if her behavior changes. I'm gonna have two girls here. I'm a roofie them both.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I'm a rape one of them and not the other. They already have to have very similar personalities. And then I'm gonna groom both of them to know what situations are both exposed to at all times so that I know that no outside forces are tampering with my experiment. But for science.

Cristina: But for science.

Jack: But for science. Who knows? Maybe he's the most revolutionary psychologist of all time. Bill Cosby. We should free you. Is that where we are?

Cristina: No, because you're not supposed to do that as a scientist.

Jack: Okay, okay.

Cristina: That's what? You have mouses for 100. Mice. Mouse, mice, mice.

Jack: 100%. You're totally right. So then to all our listeners are f****** trolls. This question doesn't work anyways. Whatever. If you listen this far.

Cristina: What's the question?

Jack: And you want to get some true science done? We're going to test the psychology of the snowflakes of the world, and you just have to pose one question. They can only send one person to prison forever.

Cristina: Our listeners.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Hitler, Putin, or Cosby.

Cristina: What?

Jack: You get one to go away? No, you know what? I'll be generous. I'll be generous. I say two of them got to go, and one of them's got to stay. No, because you're going to let Putin free. No. I don't know. They're gonna choose Putin to be free. I know it. So one of them has to. Oh, you can only arrest one forever. You're gonna remove one problem from the world, but the other two get to live.

Cristina: Hitler's dead. Is he really a good choice?

Jack: He's will revive him for this.

Cristina: Okay, so.

Jack: Okay, here you go.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: That's.

Cristina: That's the question sense, I guess.

Jack: Yes. And for this episode, you need to leave us a Bill Cosby emoji. I'm sure somebody's gonna made it.

Cristina: Find it, or you should put the emoji of whoever you're voting for.

Jack: Oh, interesting.

Cristina: I mean, do you think there's a Putin?

Jack: There's probably a. Put.

Cristina: There's a Putin flag, Russian flag, pill for Rufy. Oh.

Jack: Oh, and the swastika, Is that an emoji? This. Oh, God. There's probably a swastika emoji. Don't put a swastika emoji on it. Don't do that one. Yeah, f*** it. Do that one.

Cristina: Do it.

Jack: Yeah, do it. Do it. Do it. F*** it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Why not?

Jack: So just vote with your emojis. Yeah, this is perfect.

Cristina: And then something will happen.

Jack: Somebody. We're gonna.

Cristina: We'll do it.

Jack: We'll do it. We'll do it.

Cristina: Well, we got a time machine.

Jack: The problem is we can't actually stop Hitler. There's no way to do that. We've proven that.

Cristina: No, we're just sending him to jail. Like, he can do whatever he needs to do.

Jack: Oh, s***.

Cristina: No one before he kills himself.

Jack: No, we're gonna f*** everything up.

Cristina: Oh, because we can't get him up.

Jack: No, if we do arrest him, then we f*** everything up. We actually can't tamper with Hitler.

Cristina: Why? People will think he's dead. We'll get him the moment he's gonna kill himself. So everyone thinks he's dead.

Jack: He's in jail forever.

Cristina: He's jail for.

Jack: Interesting. Fair enough.

Cristina: Whose life's being changed.

Jack: Fair enough. But doesn't Hitler come forward in time at some point to meet.

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: You see, this is my problem. We can't touch it up him when.

Cristina: He comes forward in time. When he.

Jack: After he's interacted with Trump and he's about to dip again.

Cristina: Yeah, we catch him. We catch him. There you go. Because he was gonna be freed because he saved the world anyway, right?

Jack: Yes. So he goes to prison anyways.

Cristina: So then. Yeah, we'll send him.

Jack: You can. Fair enough.

Cristina: If they vote for him.

Jack: Yeah, fair enough. You can choose to send Hitler to jail regardless.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Of the fact that he saved most of the Earth. Actually, he saved literally the whole planet from the meteor.

Cristina: Yeah. But you can take him to jail.

Jack: You can still take him to jail. We just say. At no point do you get to say, I'm no longer that person to Hitler.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or you can stop Putin right now. Or you can make sure Cosby doesn't get freed, because if you don't choose him, we will be obligated to free him.

Cristina: He'll just be free.

Jack: He'll be free.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: No punishment. And we'll hand them a bag of Rufus. We're gonna hand Bill Cosby a bag of roofies and be like, you did nothing wrong.

Cristina: Okay. That's horrible.

Jack: Yes. So I guess the ultimate question is, if you have to say, only one of these people did something wrong, which of them did it?

Cristina: Which of them did it?

Jack: I just want to know if people are gonna choose Hitler over Bill Cosby, in which case they believe. Because it's numbers. It's a numbers game, right? Yeah, it's a numbers game. They should all choose Hitler. Not to say that Bill Cosby is not f***** up. Yeah, but, like, if we weighed this, maybe we take the hit.

Cristina: I want to know if you should put on the socials, too.

Jack: I put on Instagram. Twitter is chaos.

Cristina: That's fine.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: People know. You go. We have a just conversation. I mean, not just conversation. Rambling on Instagram. Ye.

Jack: Well, it's under Just Conversation. All of it is under the same blanket. Anyways, if you guys want to know about all this bullshit that we usually talk about and all these conversations usually have, you can find us on all the places you get, you know, podcasts. So you can find us on Apple podcasts and Spotify Stitcher. You can find us on the official website greatthoughts.info you can find Google.

Cristina: Yeah, we never say that enough. Just Google.

Jack: Yeah. We're everywhere.

Cristina: Yeah. And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok. UsConvopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to rate, review, subscribe, all the good stuff. Leave us those emojis. Voting yes.

Cristina: Leave us those emojis. And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth. Share people. The question we just asked the whole episode, obviously, but they need to come across this question so that they're either completely amused or highly disturbed. And I think at some point throughout this conversation we said there was nothing wrong with pedophilia as well. So that happened at some point.

Cristina: I don't remember that.

Jack: Yeah, I don't think we said there was nothing wrong with it. I think we really just tried to pick apart how we got to it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And how we decided it was wrong as opposed to saying it's right. I think that's the truth of the matter.

Cristina: I think so. Yeah. Yeah. And this has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. I think it's after you hear the. You get sucked in. The cop was. I remember the cop lady. She was sucked in there. And so was the lady. I don't remember the guy at all.

Cristina: Maybe I'm wrong about the guy. I don't know, because I feel like there was someone also searching the town, but just never nothing weird happened to them.

Jack: But wait, I don't get it. You said he walked into the town, then the road disappeared.

Cristina: No, I guess it wasn't for him. It was for the other two.

Jack: We gotta watch that movie. It's a good movie.

Cristina: Yeah, we watched that piece. Maybe I'm wrong about it, but a.

Jack: Lot of people didn't like that movie.

Cristina: I don't care what people think.

Jack: Yeah, people suck. Yeah, a lot of people don't like.

Cristina: Especially when it comes to horror movies.

Jack: Yeah, they're idiots. They like all the garbage.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

February 26, 2022

Rambling 164: World Adrenochrome War III

February 26, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

Is the United States a hypocrite for accusing Russia of being evil for doing to Ukraine the same thing they planned to do to North Korea and for the same reason? Is this entire crisis another ploy by the gods to milk fear from the population in order to sustain their life force? Do Bigfoot poop babies have the same abilities as Bigfoot Adrenochrome creatures? Just as the beginning stages of world war III begin to show, the duo answer many long time questions, report some mistakes, some successes and unpack the crisis happening overseas with the right news! The Good ole illuminati way!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

Russia/Ukraine Crisis
United States Hypocrisy
Propaganda News Media
U.S. to North Korea/Russia to Ukraine
Weapons of Mass Destruction
Soldiers from Afghanistan to Ukraine
U.S. Sanctions on Russia
Does U.S. Care About Any Lives?
China vs India
Adrenochrome Resource
Gods Starving
Bigfoot Rapes Jack
New Groundhog Weather God
Human Magic Mind

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas and childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you hate, remember to hit that subscribe button the second new episodes are released.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with the listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. So rally the troops, sit them down and hit play. Because it's that time of the week, I guess, where you. Time of the week. That was accurate. I was about to f*** that up. I was gonna say time of the day. I mean, I guess you could, like, spam the same episode several times throughout the week or f****** different episodes every day and just.

Cristina: You finish so bad. Just listen to this episode until next Saturday.

Jack: Or they can take like a. Like a Dave episode and just like half an hour that s***, and you got like two weeks worth of episode.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: It's got time.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You know, I guess that's technically a.

Cristina: Different show now, the Just Conversation.

Jack: Yeah, that's Just Conversation podcast. And this ain't that. Well, whatever.

Cristina: Listen to this one over that one.

Jack: Yeah. Here's what's interesting. I wonder if there's, like, a cross between those two points. Like, what. What's. What's. What's the audience difference? Because there are different portions, we can tell which episodes are heard more from different regions. And I'm like, what's the overlap, though?

Cristina: There has to be more that's overlapping, I think, than they are separate, I think. I don't know. Think maybe, like, whoever started with us, I'm assuming, probably listens to both. Or at least in the beginning, listened to both.

Jack: Fair. Fair. People who caught with the beginning and then people who only came for the, like, guests or people who only came for whatever the f*** we're doing here. Whatever this is, Whatever this s*** is.

Cristina: The news.

Jack: The news. Yeah, I guess it's kind of the news. And that's what we're doing today, Reporting on tragedies.

Cristina: Yes. The peace that I was supposed to.

Jack: Yeah. Do all the peace that you did and felt so proud to report a total success on.

Cristina: The US Lied or the Russia lied. I don't know. Someone lied to me.

Jack: Okay, look.

Cristina: You'Re gonna blame me. It's not my fault. Someone lied.

Jack: World Adrenochrome War 3.

Cristina: I think Russia and America lied. Come on.

Jack: Well, okay, look, let's be real I mean, that's Philip. Let's feel, let's feel everybody up at the beginning. At the very beginning. So Christy here.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Recently went on an expedition to speak with the leader of China, the leader of Russia, and the leader of the United States had a pretty secret meeting near the Earth border and had a chit chat about peace and everybody stopping being so aggressive and you guys are the most powerful countries in the world. And stop being dramatic and crying over all the spilled milk that you're spilling yourself and making other people spill milk and then crying about their spill milk too. And like just milking cows just to have more milk to spill and then cry. Cry about spilling milk. Milk. Spilled milk. Tears. Milk. Teary milk spilling. Drama.

Cristina: It's drama.

Jack: It's milk drama.

Cristina: About. Wait, who has the milk?

Jack: Everybody.

Cristina: Everyone has the milk.

Jack: Yeah. And they're all crying and you said they stopped crying and then they all went back to their bat caves and just cried more. And then like, oh, my parents are dead. They just cried more. Milked more cows in their cave. Just my f****** parents. And so that's what's f****** happening.

Jack: And you, you said it was all good. And it was for a minute, it was for like a few weeks until you, you know, Russia was like, meh, bombed neighbors. It's all good.

Cristina: Yeah. So that's where we are now.

Jack: Yeah. Ouch. Okay. Okay. So Russia decides we're gonna go f*** Ukraine.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: This is American narrative. Right? Let's think American narrative, which we know is objectively wrong, but let's follow the logic here. Russia says we're gonna the Ukrainians because them. That's our. The United States is like, no, we are anti terrorism. Completely ignoring the fact that we bomb random countries throughout the world.

Cristina: And we also let Ukraine take some. Didn't they already take a part of. I mean, not Ukraine. Russia take a part of Ukraine a while ago or some other country that was nearby. And we just were like, okay with that.

Jack: Yeah. But we're totally ignoring the fact that the United States has totally committed all these same atrocities in the first place. Consistently. Actually pretty recently, kind of every year for the most part, it seems. We're just always just f******. Just bomb these people we were proud of people bomb. They're gonna go bomb over there. Hey, those people we haven't bombed yet. I think they're also in the Middle East. Bomb them too. F***.

Cristina: So we stopped bombing some people and now we're bombing other people.

Jack: Well, we're not bombing anybody right now. According to the Narrative. But if you were to look at our military records, we've never not been bombing people. Actually, the amount of. For reference, anybody listening to this, you can go look at the military records. Those are public records. You can just look at that. That's because your tax dollar pays for it. You have access to that information. It is an obligation. Yeah, there's sketchy s*** they keep out. But they have to report at least where the soldiers are, because the soldiers know where they land. And they can talk to the locals and find out, oh, I'm in this f****** country. And, oh, we're attacking these people. So there's certain things they couldn't hide even if they wanted to.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And you can easily see how consistently, every year for the last 70 or so years, we have been bombing somebody consistently every year.

Cristina: Ever. Ever.

Jack: 70 years in a row, every year, no exception. We have found somebody as a target and. No, it's always been in the Middle East.

Cristina: Well.

Jack: No, you're skipped. No, you're skipped. And it's not, we dropped a bomb. No, no, no, no, no, no. We're bombing a bunch of people because they got something we like, and they didn't want to give it to us for free because, well, we need it to the f***. So we're like, well, we don't really care if you need it. We want it, though.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So we're taking it.

Cristina: So in this case, we want Ukraine.

Jack: No, we. We are, in our. In this case, United States news. We are doing nothing wrong with the heroes of narrative. Russia's over here. F****** Ukraine, because f*** Ukraine. Ukraine's are f****** dirt. We want a f****** dirt back, b****.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And thus terrorists and Putin. Bad, evil men. Yes, and evil. Evil, Bad, bad. Me. Me.

Cristina: But we are gonna end up bombing eventually over there. Right?

Jack: Here's. Here's the problem, right? The American government is going to tell the American military to go bomb the Russian soldiers, but we also don't want to trigger a nuclear war. So we're going to bomb the Russian soldiers in Ukraine. In Ukraine.

Cristina: We're not stepping into Russia.

Jack: We're not stepping into. We're not stupid. So we're gonna bomb them in Ukraine.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Where they are currently.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because that's the way to peace.

Cristina: By bombing Ukraine.

Jack: By bombing Ukraine. We're gonna bomb Ukraine to stop the Russians from bombing Ukraine.

Cristina: Awesome.

Jack: America.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Hard merica.

Cristina: Ooh. And we'll do that for a few.

Jack: Years, and then we're gonna say, we.

Cristina: Did it, we did it.

Jack: We did it. Whether or not, like, eventually. Eventually Right.

Cristina: We'll have a peace treaty. No, no.

Jack: Eventually Russia's gonna be like, I'm bored of this.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Like whatever's nobody here left. We killed everybody and they're gonna leave. And then we're gonna be like, we did it. We saved everyone.

Cristina: Russia would just take the land now that everyone's dead off of it.

Jack: Yeah. And the United States will report and say no more. Ukrainians are being bombed. We did it.

Cristina: We did it.

Jack: We did it. We saved everyone in the Ukraine who was left and is a Ukrainian.

Cristina: You know, there's no more.

Jack: Even though there's no more.

Cristina: I mean, the ones that are alive probably left.

Jack: Or anyone who joined Russia or joined Russia.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we technically not wrong if we're saying them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This. There's some twist in there that's gonna be right.

Cristina: Mm mm.

Jack: That's how we wrote.

Cristina: So why are we bombing so much?

Jack: I don't know. There's oil half the time.

Cristina: But this isn't about oil.

Jack: Russia has the oil.

Cristina: Oh, so this is about the oil.

Jack: No, no, no. Russia has the oil.

Cristina: But we don't want Russia's oil.

Jack: No, we're taking Middle east oil.

Cristina: Okay, but we are just bombing just a bomb because we just need to follow this tradition of bombing.

Jack: No, we're bombing because Russia. We need to make Russia look like the bad guy and like we're fighting the bad guy, but we're also not stupid and not gonna go bomb their military at home.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Because the nukes, I mean, we got way more nukes and we're way more scary. And the problem is we're in ties with Russia. Even if we have all these disagreements, there's a lot of that comes in and out that we profit off of.

Cristina: So there is peace?

Jack: Yes, peace.

Cristina: Quote, unquote.

Jack: Quote unquote.

Cristina: Yes, there is peace over there.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So the logic goes, Ukraine proceeding to develop nuclear weapons. Right.

Cristina: Were they?

Jack: Yeah. Okay, so here's the problem. Here's the problem. The reality of the matter, minus the f****** propaganda of the United States.

Cristina: The true story.

Jack: Yeah, the true story. The propaganda of the United States is f****** exaggerated and so many people eat it. And nobody tunes in into any alternative news from outside the country. We just follow CNN and fox. That's hard propaganda. They're trying to make you think about the country in a certain way.

Cristina: Yeah. They want.

Jack: Now you don't have to look at Russian news. That's probably a bunch of propaganda right now too, because they're trying to promote our actions. Right.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And even if they are, I'm not saying they are. They're wrong, whatever the case might be. They're trying to justify themselves to the people. The last thing they want is their soldiers turning on them.

Cristina: Yeah. So same thing we're doing.

Jack: Same thing.

Cristina: Everyone's doing the same thing. Yes.

Jack: So you look at third parties that are uninvolved and just watching and that have reporters on the ground but have nothing to lose or gain from the conflict that's happening. They know that's who you look at. Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Following that news, we can go back. Back to when? Back far back. 20, 30 years. And we start to see how this really unravels.

Cristina: Where does this start?

Jack: So we go far back enough and we have. Following the Cold War, obviously Russia isn't happy, but there's a little problem happening. The Ukrainians start creating weapons of mass destruction.

Cristina: That's back then.

Jack: Following it. Not during the Cold War. Following the Cold. Yeah, the years to follow. Late 90s, early 2000s kind of region.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And they are devising nuclear weapons for self defense for use in military, like every country. Yeah, but we're cool with Ukraine.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we're like. Yeah, cool, whatever. Not to mention everybody remembers how we were reacting to North Korea doing the same thing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You got nukes. You're bad. Bad. You're bad. Bad. We don't want bad, bad. You can hit us with a nuke. We don't like that. You, you, you're in the right position to fling one and reach us. That's dangerous.

Cristina: If you're not a democratic country, you can't have nukes.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Our logic is, if you're not, it's not democratic. No, you're wrong.

Cristina: No. What is it?

Jack: No, because not every country that's part of the United nations and not every country that's part of NATO is a democratic country.

Cristina: Okay. What are they?

Jack: Who?

Cristina: The NATO countries.

Jack: Variety.

Cristina: They have a variety. Okay.

Jack: It's a variety of countries we're in there too. If I were to say, well, they were all communists and could that be a lie because we're in NATO as well. If I were to say they're all like a republic like England, then okay, that'd be wrong.

Cristina: England's not in NATO though.

Jack: Was.

Cristina: It was. Oh, yeah.

Jack: My point being that there is a multitude of countries in NATO countries in NATO and not everybody has the same political system. Yes, but there are allies and that's all that matters.

Cristina: That's the important thing.

Jack: That's the only part that matters. So if you're making a nuke and you're not with us, we're gonna stop you from making a nuke. But if you are making a nuke and you're with us, well, we're not scared anymore. You're with us. The nuke is our nuke.

Cristina: Why don't. Okay. So we're afraid of Russia, and we're.

Jack: Afraid of Russian nukes hard.

Cristina: Because they're not part of NATO.

Jack: They're not part of. They're not our ally.

Cristina: They're not our ally.

Jack: NATO is just an ally organization.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We don't really need to focus on NATO.

Cristina: No.

Jack: That's just an example of yes. But they're just allies. We're gonna just allies regardless of what organization, what collective, any method that they use to get their allies friends. Friends.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: So if you're our homie nukes good. If you are not our homie nukes bad. We will stop you from making nukes if you're not our homie.

Cristina: Have we ever tried making Russia our homie?

Jack: No. They tried to be our homie and we said, f*** you. They tried to join NATO and we just straight up said, nah, we don't like you.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Because we haters.

Cristina: We haters.

Jack: We haters.

Cristina: But we're scared of them. But we said no.

Jack: But we said no. Being homies, we're scared of them. And they were like, but let's be homies then. And then we were like, nah.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because that's who we really are. We're the racists. Let's be real. F*** you guys. You're Russian. We don't need more reason. We just f****** Russian. Why do we give a s***?

Cristina: We're scared of you.

Jack: Not even scared at that point, you b****. Now you f****** crawling back. You know, we're just a*******.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Anyways, around that point, Putin was like, hey, neighboring country, who's not my homie? Even after I tried to be your homie? Don't make nukes around me.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because I'm a first world country youy could fling that in my direction and destabilize an entire first world order worth of s***. Maybe.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: F****** don't. We were like, hahaha.

Cristina: Ha.

Jack: Shut the f*** up, Russia.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Russia's like, I'm gonna do something. And we were like, we don't give a f***. You're not gonna do s***. We're gonna stop you for trying to.

Cristina: Do anything with sanctions.

Jack: With sanctions. And he was like, but the f*** do you mean, you guys do this all the time? To protect you.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Bro. This is not even over the ocean. It's. You could. You could walk the nuke into my ground if you wanted to.

Cristina: Are you just afraid of this country? Is this the only country that's close to them? Or aren't there a bunch of countries next to them that have nukes that they should be worried about?

Jack: No.

Cristina: That's what they're worried about.

Jack: No. All the countries around them, they have total dominance over.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Even if they're not their country.

Cristina: Yes. Those are their homies.

Jack: Those are their homies.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Russia keeps their homies close, okay? United States, like, their homies global.

Cristina: And Russia wants Ukraine as their homie.

Jack: Yes. Because you guys got nukes. You can't have nukes be around us and be homies to those guys. Yeah, we don't like that in these here parts.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Yeah. So Russia's like, hey, don't do that. And we're like, we do what we want.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we're like, you. You know what happens here, right? Like, you do it all the time. Like. Yeah. You don't know how to do it. Like. No, no, no. I invented doing it. I invented what you're doing. What the f*** do you mean? And we're like, nah, nah, whatever. I can't hear you. Put our fingers in our ears. La, la la, la, la, la. So look forward 10 years from that point. Two thousand and tens. Putin pops up again. He's like, guys, it looks like you're f****** finishing nukes. And you just casually ignored everything I said about the s*** that you guys just started doing. I said, don't do this. The same year you entered Iraq for the same reason, bro. Do you not see the hypocrisy? And we're like, I don't see any hypocrisy, bro. We were protecting our people, of course. And the nuke that they're making right next to you, that's also protecting our people.

Cristina: Of course.

Jack: That's consistency to me.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Doesn't seem like hypocrisy to me. It seems like we don't like you. And if we have a nuke real close to you, you stay nice and tame. Sounds like protecting our people has been consistent.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: To which he responds, bro, what about protecting my people? But obviously, United States is selective about who counts as people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I guess, like, humans are only humans if they're already on our team.

Cristina: So if they are bros.

Jack: If there are bros. Yeah. If you're our bros, you're human. Otherwise, think of Iraq. We will gladly Bomb you for s*** that isn't there. Now, we knew there wasn't s*** in Iraq. That's been established many times over. It was entirely a prophet war.

Cristina: See?

Jack: Yes. There was never weapons. There was never signs that there could be weapons. We just made a reason to go to war.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And tricked people. And then people digged and they were like, wait, based on what were their weapons? Because they said it.

Cristina: Because they said it? Yeah.

Jack: Who said it? Well, the leaders. Who told the leaders? Nobody told the leaders. Leaders just said it. Nobody said somebody told the leaders.

Cristina: Told the leaders.

Jack: No, nobody told the leaders. The leaders said it, and people followed and they're like, wait, but who told the leaders? Nobody. They didn't need to be told. They just said it.

Cristina: They just said.

Jack: Nobody said they were told. They just said things.

Cristina: O.

Jack: And then you listened. You should have looked before you reacted. It's your fault. You didn't look before you reacted. You said, yes, war. We scared you, and you reacted. You happen to be the idiot here.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: It's not my fault if you get fooled every time. What do they say? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Well, keep shaming you, because we keep fooling you, brah.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So as long as you keep falling for it, you're the fool.

Cristina: So.

Jack: Yeah, always, forever, that's not gonna change. But that happened in Russia's like, guys, I'm not gonna keep warning forever. We're like, shut the f*** up, Russia.

Cristina: And they did what they said they were gonna do.

Jack: Well, sort of. No, they just ignored Russia. And then years pass. And then about 20, 20, Russia's like, hey, guys, looks like you guys are positioned to any year now, just start testing nukes. I've just been screaming into the void, haven't I? And we're like, what void? What nukes? Who the f*** are you, bro? It's like, I'm f****** Russia. What the h***, dude? I've been screaming here for years. It's been like 30 years now. Like, what? Who the f*** is Russia? I don't know, dude. You heard about that country? Who the f*** is Russia? Ukraine says it's right next to them. Ukraine? Who the f*** is Russia? I don't know. Wait, weren't you homies with Russia at some point? I don't know.

Cristina: Is that an accent? I don't know.

Jack: No, that's just. That's just Ukraine being smug. I don't know.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I don't know. Maybe.

Cristina: Maybe I know them.

Jack: Maybe I know who they are. I knew who they were. We're not friends anymore. I don't know why Ukraine is gay now, but whatever.

Cristina: Yes. Like, we're ex lovers.

Jack: Yeah. I used to know who they were, but I don't know anymore. And Russia's like, oh, my God, you have to be rude like that.

Cristina: Okay. So now all the countries are gay.

Jack: They're all gay. F*** it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're all gay. F*** it. I mean, I guess that's right. Countries are pretty gay.

Cristina: Countries are pretty gay.

Jack: Some of them are just bromancing hard.

Cristina: Yeah. It's all about bromance.

Jack: It's all about bromance. And Russia's like, I will f****** stop this one way or another. I'm a. I'm gonna do you, the United States, bro. I'm gonna do the U.S. you guys want to f****** pretend you made it up and I was doing this s*** before you guys were born? Let's do it. Let's f****** do it. I'm warning you now I'm do it. You guys look like you can test anything. F******, dude. F****** do it. F****** do it, bro.

Cristina: Now they're bros now they're frozen.

Jack: Bros now. Bros again. Yeah, whatever.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know. Russia's a little confusing because it's like they're saying they're gonna do something, but then they're also saying we're just training.

Jack: Because if they were to position themselves around and say, we're just gonna go f****** stop the nuke construction, we're gonna react real hard.

Cristina: But we knew that's what they were doing.

Jack: Yes. They weren't saying it out loud, which means the United States can't just make up some bullshit and say, this is the case. No, they have to react according to what the country is saying. That's why they. If they move first. And there's never any proof that anything was really gonna happen. The United States is the bad guy. The United States even knows that this is what Putin is doing. Yeah, but they care more about public perception. The politicians care more about how they look. They don't want to look like the bad guy to the people. They don't actually want to stop. They don't give a s*** about the Ukraine. You're our homie, but we will throw you under a f****** bus to look good, b****.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's usa. F*** that s***. Usa. Usa. Usa. Usa. F*** that s***. If you are f****** not usa, you might be our homie, but that bus. That bus ain't hitting us, b****. We will throw you under that b**** to not be hit.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: That's just our logic.

Cristina: The Ukraine are lucky to have us. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know, man. But yeah.

Cristina: So following Biden took out those armies from that other country just in time.

Jack: Sure.

Cristina: Coincidence.

Jack: I don't know who would have thunk it. Biden goes ahead and empties out all of Afghanistan of soldiers and that we just. Russia out of nowhere just suddenly decides to make a move and we just have enough spare soldiers to put them all in the opposite side. Whoa, what a coincidence.

Cristina: Maybe Biden's just like a super military.

Jack: He's the greatest strategist. He's got the foresight of God. That's where we're at. He has a foresight of gods, bro.

Cristina: Gods are helping him. There are gods here, there are gods here.

Jack: And so basically Russia just decides I have to stop the nukes. In reality, if you're looking at it from the news of other people who are third parties who aren't being affected and aren't in danger and don't profit or just watching.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The news, the fact of the matter, the hands on reporting, the person to person account without having to customize it for our narrative. Mm Is. And by the way, the world knows Ukraine has nukes. It's not like Iraq where we just f****** nobody wait. Oh my God. They've had nukes. They've been hiding the nukes this whole time. Like, no, that s*** did not f******. Like we found nothing. They did not f****** just make it up. They did not just f****** happen to have hidden nukes. We is bullshit. We were talking bullshit. Yes, but we know Ukraine has nukes and we know they've been. We know this for a fact. We're just cool with it.

Cristina: There are allies because, yes, they are homies.

Jack: Russia is doing exactly what we're doing.

Cristina: They're like, they have mass destruction. We got to get rid of it.

Jack: Yeah. We can't have you next to us if you could just launch a missile and clear a city.

Cristina: Yes, it's the exact same thing we said.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: After 9, 11. Yes, they're saying the same exact thing.

Jack: From a country that took its independence from Russia. If anybody's bitter, it's Ukraine.

Cristina: Yes. So Russia has something to worry.

Jack: Russia has specifically has something to worry about about a country who took its independence from Russia and then shortly thereafter decided to a nuke. Who is the nuke for? Your homies all got nukes. What do you need nukes for? What beef are you angry at, bro? I wonder. And so we're like no, they're terrorists. It's like, shut the f*** up, United States. You got. You're so full of propaganda all the time, bro. Just for everybody. You just. Propaganda left, propaganda. Right. Propaganda, d***. Propaganda, v*****. Propaganda up, propaganda down. Shut the f*** up, bro. They're doing what the f*** you. You do all the time, and now you're being a hypocrite. Hard as f***.

Cristina: Of course.

Jack: And just like. No, you got to stop the f******. Dude, they have f****** nukes next to major cities, bruh.

Cristina: Yeah, they can do the math of, like.

Jack: Yeah, it's kind of a short trip. It's too short to defend against.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's not an ocean of detecting s*** now. There's minutes. Yeah, the end just up too late. No, dude, if we really cared about f****** life, we would stop the bitter country from attacking who they escaped.

Cristina: But this is about the bombing. We need a bomb. He said every year we bomb, we have to continue bombing.

Jack: We're still bombing the Middle East.

Cristina: We're still. Okay.

Jack: Yeah, we're always bombing that.

Cristina: We're just bombing. Okay, never mind.

Jack: Yes, we're still bombing.

Cristina: We just love the bombing. Yeah, that's what we're here for.

Jack: But that's a f******. This is a crazy problem because we're. We're. And then we brainwash the American people.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We need patriotism. We need people to be. Yeah, Russia bad. But no, weirdly enough. And Russia's usually the bad guy. Let's be real. They're usually doing sketchy s*** and f****** with people they shouldn't. This is the f****** one time. They're kind of justified because. Well, justified as compared to the United States.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because they're doing what we do to protect our people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They're doing it to protect their people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So now my question to the American people is, do you guys really give a s*** about people, or do you give a s*** about people allied with the Americans? That's the question, is it? Do you care about the world? If you care about the world, then you're with Russia on this, because why would you let the opposing country have a nuke? Russia hasn't launched a nuke. Russia's had the nukes. It could have used a nuke and just erased f****** Ukraine. That could have been its first move right now. Why didn't it start there? Drop a nuke where their nuke is, I guarantee that explosion is so big, you just shut down that country. Why didn't Russia do that? Nobody's asking that question because the United States doesn't want you to ask that question. The United States just wants you to say Russia bad. Russia has hella nukes, bro. They could just shut this down. But what do they say? Leave the country. Just leave the country and let us get to that sector, Chernobyl, and let us shut down anything and everything nuke related. We will let everybody live. Leave. Just leave. Nobody has to die. We don't have to shoot anybody. Just leave the nuke site. You leave that f****** city. Abandon that s***, and we will take that b**** and you can just have the rest of this s***.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But leave the nuke. Our response? We will f****** stop you. And it's like, so we don't care about people. We care about our teammates. Yeah, and you're not people if you ain't our teammates. And it doesn't matter if you're human. We don't care about human cost. We don't give a s***, dude. We don't give a f***.

Cristina: We care about protecting ourselves.

Jack: Yes. Not to say Putin isn't aggressive as s*** and didn't just immediately drop bombs all over that b****, but he warned them ahead of time, and he had to make a statement.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I am coming in, and my people aren't gonna be in danger because I'm here to protect my people. So I will bomb the living s*** out of anything around that f****** nuke. And I'm getting to that nuke. I don't give a s*** who tries to stop me. I'm getting to that nuke.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And people are like, oh, but the sanctions aren't working or what, bro? If he's thinking about human life, does he give a s*** about your squeezing money?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's where it's weird, right? If he was just after profit. This is the. Again, the argument that people have for this. No, the people watching the news, they don't ask because the government doesn't want you to question s***. They just want you to eat what they give you. Yes, but the argument really is these sanctions are gonna f*** up their economy. That's a fact.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: There's nothing they could do about that. He either agrees or he gets f***** financially. But if he cared about the profit more than he cared about the life, why didn't he immediately stop? Right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why wasn't his immediate response, yes, I'm done. I can't let my people starve to death. But the alternative is you can clear a f****** city in one shot, and it's the bitter country next door. Maybe I can try to manage the starvation as opposed to People just cease existing.

Cristina: Yeah. If he really, truly believes it.

Jack: If he really, truly believes it.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: He clearly is committing to the. We got to stop the nuke. I don't give a s*** about your sanctions.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's the real argument here. They don't want you to ask those questions because here's the problem. What's going to happen is a lot of pro war propaganda because we got to go and do the f****** thing. Just like, sometimes we're anti war, other times we're for it. So the government is actively, in the next couple of weeks, going to try to convince all Americans that what we're doing is absolutely corrupt. Correct and right.

Cristina: Yes, of course. Yeah.

Jack: Even if what Putin is doing is things we have tried to convince the American people when we're doing it is correct and right.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Same thing. Flip the other way, and we're hypocrites. Hard as.

Cristina: We were wrong. We were always wrong, though. That was. I mean, so I guess that makes them wrong at the end of the day. But.

Jack: But we know they have nukes.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: The difference is we know we did it for profit. We did not give a s*** about human life. We went over there and just started bombing random people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To clear out areas and seal their oil. We don't care about people.

Cristina: No.

Jack: It's weird, but out of the United States and Putin. Putin cares about people more than Biden, for example, who's responsible for430,000 deaths due to the Iraq war and. And the millions of African American lives in prison. Maybe, just maybe in this very highly specific time, Putin's the guy on the right, and we're on the wrong. We're hypocrites.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Hard, hard, hard. Hypocrites.

Cristina: Well, yes, because everything we do has to be good.

Jack: I don't know how to be profitable.

Cristina: But, like. Well, we said we're not gonna say that, though.

Jack: Oh. Yeah. The. The. The winner is Right. History.

Cristina: Yeah. So we're never gonna say the truth.

Jack: Yeah. We're just gonna. Even. Yeah. Even if we lose, we're like f******. We decided to let them be.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's like, no, bro, you got f****** killed out of there. You got no more numbers. You have to leave. So, yeah, that is where we are with that s***.

Cristina: But what about the rest of the world?

Jack: Well, the rest of the world's news is telling you the reality of what I just said.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Point of view is the accurate one. He's just saying, bro, there's a f****** nuke next door, which is reality. We Just don't report on it that way.

Cristina: But, like, the big countries, like the uk, like, is the Queen going to do something?

Jack: Well, no, the UK agrees with what we're saying. And actually they're allied to the United States, but they're.

Cristina: Oh, they're gonna be friends with us no matter what, though.

Jack: Probably.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But they tend to be more truthful about their report. They're just biased as to where they lean.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're not really propaganda news media the way the United States is propaganda news media. They're like, putin wants to stop the nuke, but, you know, he's the bad guy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they're not lying and not addressing problem. You know, we don't address the nuke problem because we might realize f****** United States is hypocrite.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But they'll be like, it doesn't matter if this is hypocrisy. We collectively agree that Putin is often doing pretty bad s*** and it doesn't hurt to have some control method next to him.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's the read. That's how most countries who are allied with the United States but don't need to propagate everything.

Cristina: Mm. That's how they see it.

Jack: That's how they see it. Yes, there's a nuke next door. Yes, he's trying to stop that nuke, and he's totally justified in trying to stop the nuke, but we're not gonna f****** let him because he does crooked s*** all the. And we need to keep checks and balances on them.

Cristina: Well, this isn't going to turn into a World War 3, is it?

Jack: Easily could, easily could, easily could. Everybody could just decide, we're going to f****** jump in from whatever angle. We know China numbers wise sides with Russia. Now, China's interesting point is they're not really going to jump in until they see whether or not England is going to jump in, because are they brills with England? Not really. Not on paper, but we know every time the Queen has a meeting with the President.

Cristina: Yeah. So, like, whose side are they?

Jack: Not on paper. Yeah, they're sided with Putin on paper.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's. That's who they agree publicly they're with. But with the Queen. No, that's not on paper. That's just the fact of the matter that most countries just fall in line. If she says f****** jump, you ask how high at the end.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, but China is probably just going to watch and see if England gets involved.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And, like, they don't necessarily have to regard England, but the fact that England has ties to the other country that is loyal to England, which is India.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now, China jumps in. Only winning scenarios. They are the furthest thing from stupid. They only like scenarios that they know they are winning and they try to force manpower on s***.

Cristina: Because they have a lot of men.

Jack: They have a lot of manpower.

Cristina: What's that number?

Jack: It's 1.4 billion people in their population.

Cristina: Ridiculous.

Jack: Yes. And you could force a huge portion of that. I believe it's like 2.1 million soldiers overall.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: While the United Kingdoms with ties to not just all the separate countries in the United Kingdoms work as one. So that's a huge military powerhouse.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But also India is loyalist.

Cristina: And they're the same.

Jack: They're the same f****** size as China with 1.4 billion people and 2.1 million soldiers.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: So if s*** hits a fan, China can't actually compete because India would be coming in from the opposite direction.

Jack: And manpower is no longer good enough. And that's the only thing China really wields.

Cristina: That's true. So China might not do anything.

Jack: Only if they know factually, India won't.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: That's really. When China's like, we win by default. Let's do it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But if India jumps in from the other side, like, we're. F*** this s***. Abandon the homies. We're staying over here.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And they'll let Russia fall because they are not gonna.

Cristina: Is India bros with America or are they just brills with the uk they're.

Jack: Bros with the UK India doesn't like America. They're bros with the UK and we'll follow the UK and we're like, you guys associate with those retards over. Totally fine.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But we're not gonna work with them unless you're working with them.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because we're cool with you.

Cristina: Okay with them.

Jack: So they're just gonna wait. India. India's gonna wait and see. And China's gonna wait and see.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And India doesn't care. They're gonna fight China if they have to. China not gonna bother. They're like, this ain't worth the loss.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They're gonna calculate some number. Oh, f*** that s***. We're here. That's an interesting dynamic that's going on there. That is now the parts that we know that people don't get fed through the news.

Cristina: The Illuminati stuff, finally. Is it Adrenochrome?

Jack: It's always Adrenochrome. F****** war, bro. So, yes, looking at our records, we see that There has been quite some drought in. We're living in the most peaceful time ever. You can look this up factually. War has gone down so ridiculously.

Cristina: That's the one that the US Is doing every year. You said.

Jack: Well, that's not really war as much as it is bombing. But so we've definitely run out of great, like, resources of adrenochrome. There's not, like, a lot. It's concentrated from war. We have to rely on fear, which is why we're consistently scaring all the populations of the world all the time. But we know that fear is way weaker than blood.

Cristina: Yeah. At the end of the day, if.

Jack: You get people scared, you get. It emits, it radiates. But if you get them scared and then drain the blood. Concentrated, powerful.

Cristina: The blood at the moment is, I'm guessing, Ukraine split.

Jack: Like, I'm thinking the. The goal is the World War.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I think there isn't enough. Like, a Ukrainian war would not be enough.

Cristina: Oh. Because the slow start of this conflict makes it feel like it. It was. Because, like, there's a lot of fear for them. Those people.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Like, is something going to happen? Until finally something did happen.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: There's a lot of fear to build up to actual deaths.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes. So the interesting part here is, will this one death spill be enough? I guess we'll find out.

Cristina: Ah, okay.

Jack: If not, then we're gonna start hearing a lot of talk on media everywhere of World War three is coming. Everybody's signing up for the thing. All countries are saying, we're gonna jump in and help. All countries are saying, and everybody's gonna get scared. Oh, the draft is coming. The draft is coming.

Cristina: Oh, my God. Even if World War 3 doesn't happen, the fear of World War 3 happening is pretty nice.

Jack: Yes. Because we create a fear in one region and we're extracting that fear through blood.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So that's a lot of adrenochrome. That's a lot of fear.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: A lot of fear.

Cristina: But if that's not enough, if that.

Jack: Turns out not enough, the God of that region is going to pull strings with the other gods.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To get. Because everybody wins in that case.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Every country, every region's God is gonna be like, h***, yeah, we're all f****** running dry, bruh.

Cristina: Oh, yes. If you guys don't remember, every region, every country pretty much has its own God. Or.

Jack: Yes. Some countries have gods that are shared. Like Canada and the United States have, like, a regional thing going on.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which is the. What Is it the New Testament Jehovah?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: While, like, the Middle east region has the Old Testament Jehovah.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So there's, like, things like that going on. Every region has a God or whatever. And. Yeah. So it's gonna escalate. If that's not enough, fear is going to be like. Everybody gets scared. Everybody gets scared.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And, hey, everybody gets to win, whether the world in fear of their children. Like parents fear and kids fear. Oh, my God. I'm gonna go die in war. Make me, or I'm gonna go to prison if I don't agree to go die in war. All these systems designed to generate fear.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If that doesn't turn out enough, just like in World War II.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The war actually happens.

Cristina: War actually happened.

Jack: And now after you got everybody scared, time to start milking the m************.

Cristina: Yes. Whoa. Horrible.

Jack: Oh, yes. Oh, yes.

Cristina: That's probably. Who knows?

Jack: That's far down the line. It could take a couple of years to get there.

Cristina: Yeah. Wow.

Jack: But we're definitely. This is something worth monitoring.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And that is kind of all your fault.

Cristina: My fault?

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Oh, yes, it's my fault. Whatever.

Jack: You failed at your job.

Cristina: They said everything was fine. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, they did. So fair enough. Now, in other news.

Cristina: Your news.

Jack: Oh, God.

Cristina: You must share what has happened to you lately.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: You look different.

Jack: So I did, in fact, find a Bigfoot.

Cristina: Awesome.

Jack: Sure.

Cristina: Did it talk to you?

Jack: It. Not at first. Okay. So interesting. Hey. Medical findings and science findings and stuff come from this. So there's plus sides. I guess.

Cristina: So what's the good? I mean, I guess what's the bad? That's what you want to start with.

Jack: Okay. First, polar bear and a grizzly bear on the way to Mars.

Cristina: Awesome. To make a. Or see if one of them becomes a Sasquatch.

Jack: Yeah. Well, one of them would become a yeti or.

Cristina: Yeti. Yeah.

Jack: And actually, let me take a step back. We did start testing on the groundhog, and the groundhog is confused about how to use its abilities. Phil had many, many, many millennia to figure s*** out and do it right.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And this new groundhog just with the ability to talk suddenly is, like, f****** blowing his own mind. And we're trying to explain like this. You're God now, bro. We like. It worked. He's the same abilities. No control over them. Dangerous.

Cristina: Yeah. So that's why they're so flip floppy.

Jack: Yeah. Because we haven't brought him back. S***. Destabilizes. F*** out.

Cristina: He figures his powers out.

Jack: Yes. So we're gonna continue to have f***** up weather while we get him to do s*** at a nice and isolated region of Mars where we do these tests.

Cristina: Okay, cool.

Jack: And. Yeah, so it's sort of working. It's just a matter of getting the f****** groundhog to understand and use the powers accurately.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: After that's done, we can bring him back. Stabilize. S***.

Cristina: Finally.

Jack: Finally.

Cristina: Besides, I mean, before everything just like turns to s***. Yes.

Jack: Yeah. So, Bigfoot. I found the Bigfoot.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: As usual. We're gonna capture the Bigfoot.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I tell the subhumans, stay back. Diplomatic mission.

Cristina: You were gonna capture.

Jack: We know. Well, not capture. We know he can talk. We know it's humanoid. You know, communicates. We. All the reports give us all this information.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I walk up, it's just there looking at me. And like, it's civilized up into a point. It just stands up straight, tall as f***. God d***. I'm almost six feet and this guy was like three times taller than I am. Giant sized.

Cristina: Was that scary?

Jack: I mean, I've seen scarier looking s***. It is what it is.

Cristina: He's just tall, okay.

Jack: And he just looks at me, waiting for me to say something. I'm like, can we talk? Single word comes out of its mouth. No. In a screech so loud that it made me almost deaf. It grabbed me by the f****** neck, flung me across the f****** woods. But the subhumans follow orders and I told them not to do s***. So they're just standing, watching this happen. Like, no, he's got it. I don't f****** got it. Time to move in. But I didn't think this would happen. So they're just kind of like, no, he's got it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which is why my throat f****** hurts a little. If I sound weird at all, he squeezed the living s*** out of my f****** throat.

Cristina: And then he flung you.

Jack: And then he flung me. Luckily, I'm better than the average person, even if I'm not a superhuman sub human, which I guess are kind of super. But even if I'm not a subhuman, I can. I can take the hit. But like, a lot hurt. I'm not that much better.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I'm just better enough to survive the fall and then f****** scream in pain for a while instead of dying instantaneously.

Cristina: And then they were just watching you?

Jack: They just watch. Squeal in f****** pain as that giant f****** monster just walked up on me.

Cristina: yes.

Jack: Following that, it ripped off my pants.

Cristina: Oh, no.

Jack: And with its give or take three foot d***, it a** raped me.

Cristina: Ah.

Jack: So my a** hurts.

Cristina: It does. It still hurts.

Jack: It hurts a lot. It's hurt for many days.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Not the weirdest part here.

Cristina: It gets weirder.

Jack: It gets weirder. It's pretty bad. But he then stopped.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Just stood there and seemingly just agreed to go with us.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: After flinging me across the woods, breaking most of my bones in the process and then raping me.

Cristina: Ow.

Jack: Somehow not the worst part. I had enough energy to just scream, help. And then the subhumans decided to jump into action. But the Bigfoot was no longer hostile and just went with us. I lose consciousness, wake up at our headquarters here on Earth, and I am told that within the time that I passed out and the time that I woke up, I quickly, in these three days, grew.

Cristina: Three days.

Jack: A baby inside me.

Cristina: What baby?

Jack: A Bigfoot baby. And that it grew in my intestines because that's where it shot its Bigfoot sperm. And that I pooped out a Bigfoot baby. And the reason it didn't tear my a******. Were you awake?

Cristina: Why this was happening?

Jack: No, I was unconscious.

Cristina: While you pooped the baby out.

Jack: Yeah. And that the baby's magic expanded me enough for it to safely get out without hurting the host.

Cristina: Ah. And everything inside you is okay?

Jack: Yeah, I guess. Magic. Because Magic.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then, by the way, that technically means I have a Bigfoot baby.

Cristina: Did you name it?

Jack: Not yet. This is like, three days ago. Anyways, it turns out that this Bigfoot baby came out this way and does not require adrenochrome of any sort to sustain itself.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: In talking to the Bigfoot, it's confirmed that. That it has no f****** clue where it comes from.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And we then questioned whether a When Dingo knows where the f*** it came from, if it has any recollection of having been a wolf.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You know.

Cristina: And what did it say?

Jack: Well, we didn't ask. We were just wondering.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Okay. We gotta figure out.

Jack: And we're like, does a werewolf know?

Jack: Right?

Cristina: Maybe.

Jack: So all the weird questions that we'd never asked, we're just like, yeah, this turns into that. We know. We could prove it. We've tested it.

Cristina: Yes, but do they know?

Jack: Do they f****** know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Is there recollect when you change physically? Is there recollection? Has your mind altered too?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It doesn't happen with the groundhog. Their body stays the same. Their mind expands, but it doesn't change.

Cristina: No. Interesting.

Jack: So we didn't think about this before.

Cristina: No, we haven't dealt with this.

Jack: What then? We do test and Get a report from Mars that, yes, the yeti is a polar bear.

Cristina: The yeti is a polar bear.

Jack: The abominable snowman is what it becomes when it doesn't have adrenochrome to sustain its yeti form.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: There is a monster in the North.

Cristina: Pole and the Sasquatch.

Jack: The Sasquatch is in fact a polar bear. Well, Bigfoot is a polar bear and Sasquatch is what it becomes when it's feral.

Cristina: They're both polar bears.

Jack: Wait, what are Bigfoot and it's a grizzly bear.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Grizzly bear.

Jack: The polar bear is the yeti and it becomes the abominable snowman. And the grizzly bear is Bigfoot and becomes Sasquatch.

Cristina: All right, so that's what we thought. And that's.

Jack: Yes, it is.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They need adrenochrome to not become feral.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The baby that I have just had does not need adrenochrome, does not crave adrenochrome, and seems to have been born with the same level of control and power as this fully grown hundred and something year old Bigfoot who needs to consistently kill creatures after hunting them for days in order to horrify them enough. It does not kill people.

Cristina: No, Just animals.

Jack: Just animals.

Cristina: And that's why it stays hidden.

Jack: That's why it stays hidden. It's pacifists when it comes to people.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: That sees the similarities and is like, there's no reason for me. They're intellectual. They are creatures. We're just evil.

Cristina: We're just evil.

Jack: We're evil. Oh, we kill anything, regardless of what it is. We were just talking about just killing humans. Oh, yeah, we'll kill ourselves, dude. We don't give a s***. So that's the case there. So it proves that you could be born a first generation child to an adrenochrome user and sustain your form naturally.

Cristina: So which came first then?

Jack: Like, obviously the adrenochrome.

Cristina: The adrenochrome. Because like the cat people, they were there had to be adrenochrome first.

Jack: Yes. They're just ancients who had a genochrome for a very long time, used it, one of the first advanced civilizations, got really complicated and mastered it and no longer need it. No longer need it. That's why the people who we found in the bottom of Lake Loch Ness managed to sustain their forms but not go feral and not just be a normal a** feline the way we know them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because those were first generation and their children and their children's children. They managed to sustain being that way the same way that us humans went through that same process. When apes in the past took adrenochrome and became as we are now.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then the first generation born to one of those creatures probably had magic. Well, I don't know why they didn't have magic, unless we do have magic and we just don't know it. And then we just sustained our form without going feral.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And here we are.

Cristina: The question is, where is that magic?

Jack: Unless there's some kind of suppressant or some s*** happening.

Cristina: Maybe that. Oh, crap. Probably.

Jack: I don't know. There's a lot of us. It would be useful.

Cristina: It would be. But then, I don't know. These gods with their adrenochrome battles, I feel like this has to be connected to that somehow.

Jack: Well, they also want us to continue to become increasingly powerful. So maybe there's something about the human that only some of us manage to break through and make it far enough.

Cristina: Mm. But we don't have the natural ability that these other creatures have.

Jack: Yeah, well, not all the creatures have these powers. Some hyper intelligent.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We don't have that ability. We just. We're just who we are. We're definitely the most dangerous creature on Earth.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The way we've treated Earth. So we're winning by default. Even if we don't have magic, our magic trick is our minds.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And doesn't matter how much power you have, we still manage to capture most of these f****** creatures and imprison them.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: Like, did we need magic or was our mind more magical?

Cristina: I guess that's where the magic's at.

Jack: That we can do whatever the f*** we can imagine.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. Our secret power. F****** imagination.

Cristina: Imagination.

Jack: Anything we want, we just make it happen.

Cristina: Yes. Now, what is your baby's name gonna be? Are you gonna raise it? Is your wife gonna accept your baby?

Jack: This is a weird family that's forming. Yes. So my wife, I gotta talk to her. And we gotta really figure out, like, she. It's my baby, she can't say no.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: And what the f*** is up with the father? Like, is he gonna raise it? Does he want his baby?

Cristina: Yeah. Is he gonna raise it? Does he want you to raise it? Does he?

Jack: If he wants me to raise it, then I'm raising it with my wife. Okay, if he wants to raise it, whatever, Take it. Whatever. I didn't ask for the baby, but if he's gonna leave me with the baby, then I'm raising it with my giant cockroach wife.

Cristina: Okay, so you're not gonna name it until the decision is made of.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Having the baby.

Jack: Who keeps the baby? And he has to sign away all the rights. I don't want none of this f******. No, I miss him. I want. No, no, no, no, no.

Cristina: I want to have him. The weekends.

Jack: Yeah. None of that s***.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Okay, so you sign them away or you keep them. One or the other, buddy.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The end. And, yeah. So a lot of questions have been answered.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now we don't know what happens when.

Cristina: A.

Jack: Bigfoot or a yeti die and they cross over to the underworld. What, they become the Underworld? The Shadow Realm.

Cristina: The Shadow Realm. Okay. Yeah.

Jack: Because we know the werewolf becomes the. What is it? The werewolf becomes a lichen when it's feral.

Cristina: Mm, that sounds right.

Jack: And then when they cross over after dying, a werewolf becomes a wendingo, which is the lucid version. And then when it becomes feral, it becomes the wet judge.

Cristina: Yes. Oh. Because you can't really die once you have a dream.

Jack: You just cross over to Shadow Realm, keep manifesting over here if you know how to do it. Yeah, Usually in pockets of fear.

Cristina: Very complicated.

Jack: Which is another problem. Here's something we don't think about when these giant wars come through. It's not just people out there.

Cristina: Nah.

Jack: There's a lot of fear. Nights.

Cristina: Creatures.

Jack: People report. The nights, get scary. They hear s***. And this is not a lie. You guys can jump and, like, listen to reports of people who were talking about, you know, explosions, and it sounded like people were in the walls. People were running around us and things. And it's like, there's f****** creatures out there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You guys are horrified and they're abusing that s***.

Cristina: They're enjoying the blood that's spilling.

Jack: Yeah, well, they don't use the blood from the Shadow Realm. They don't need adrenochrome anymore. They only use fear to manifest the.

Cristina: Ones that are fine.

Jack: Oh, the ones that are.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's. Fair enough. There's probably a bunch of s*** just coming out of the woods.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Holy s***. I don't think about that. This is real s*** that's not even manifesting. It's pretty f*****.

Cristina: Yeah, there's everything. It's perfect for all of them to feed on something.

Jack: Yeah. What was this creature that we knew about that would come out in war zones and just start feeding on the blood?

Cristina: One of them was werewolves. It was. I guess. Not werewolves. Whatever.

Jack: It was like a Win Dingo or some s***, right?

Cristina: Ghost werewolf. I Don't know. It was a zombie werewolf. It was described as like a zombie werewolf thing, but I don't remember the name.

Jack: Oh. So, yeah, it's Lycan.

Cristina: Is it like.

Jack: It must have been a lichen. It must have been a feral a** werewolf.

Cristina: Yeah. It was just drinking blood in the battlefield.

Jack: Interesting. Yeah. So that s***'s probably happening left and right during these crazy wars.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And interesting enough, I think that's why the United States likes the bomb as opposed to send soldiers. And they're just trying to generate the fear. And it sucks if your soldiers also have to fight these f****** monsters that are coming out of the woodworks.

Cristina: Yeah. You don't want them to report on that.

Jack: Not even report on them. You don't want them to have to deal with it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So you just drop bombs. People get horrified. The more bombs are going to drop. The fear alone attracts all this other s***. Then you just let them handle it. And then you come after the cleanup.

Cristina: What? Yes, that's probably it. Yep.

Jack: Sounds right, doesn't it?

Cristina: That does sound right.

Jack: Oof.

Cristina: Oh. Adrenochrome.

Jack: Adrenochrome. Can't live with. Can't live without it. That's mad f*****. So, yeah. World War three, question mark. Because need for adrenochrome. Fear.

Cristina: Fear. Fear. Lots of fear.

Jack: Ultimately, even adrenochrome's purpose is fear.

Cristina: Fear. Yes.

Jack: It's just. It contains a fear.

Cristina: A lot of fear.

Jack: Yeah. That's the only point of a drink room. Contains the fear.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Concentrated in adrenaline. And ultimately it's always fear. That's the main thing. Fear. Gods need fear. Creatures need fear. The underworld needs fear.

Cristina: All of it.

Jack: Fear is powerful.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Fear is quite the problem.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: And it seems United States and all these other countries abuse that fact. I think a lot of scary s*** is gonna happen in the Ukraine.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And Russia is just gonna stop sending soldiers in because they know these creatures are on the way. They're just making enough noise and causing a fear and spilling enough blood for the same reason. Yes. Because it self perpetuates. Right. Once there's enough for things to manifest, they start killing people and blood starts being spilt. Then we can pull out immediately because these things people are gonna start hearing and screaming and seeing. The fear is now gonna start as people talk. Oh, my God. I saw the thing. Oh my God. No f****** way.

Cristina: All of a sudden, they might end up leaving the country.

Jack: Whoever survived, but they'll never say they did. So the people who haven't seen anything yet still Think the reason people are still dying is because the war, when really we only started that to get the ball rolling with the creatures.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And once the creatures involved, they start doing it, they'll manifest. The ones who don't even need to travel will manifest there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And start continuing what the Russians began, then that is gonna spill enough to manifest more and spread like wildfire. And then the things that are in the local area and can smell it since closing in on it, and that country's gonna become a f****** cesspool until people get used to it and the fear is totally gone. And then everything that manifested just dissipates and all the other creatures start looking for fear elsewhere.

Cristina: Until the next conflict, I guess.

Jack: Yeah. Where? That's where they're gonna be going to wherever there is already a conflict going on. So it's not the next conflict. There is a conflict somewhere else. Of course they're just gonna be looking for it. Yeah, well, they're gonna be looking for local patches of, you know, normal fear.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Or eating whoever the f***. Chasing somebody for a while in the middle of the woods. Oh, my God.

Cristina: What the f*** is going on?

Jack: We never hear that story because it's one guy.

Cristina: Yes. Interesting. Whoa. So maybe. Yeah. I guess all of it has to do with the same thing.

Jack: It's always fear.

Cristina: It's always fear.

Jack: It's always fear. The gods looking for fear.

Cristina: The creatures.

Jack: Creatures looking for fear. The governments of the world knowing that the creatures are looking for fear. The gods abusing that fact by manipulating their people, putting them into states of mind that force them to go do certain things and then force the creatures to do certain things. And fear, Fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear.

Cristina: Why couldn't they, man, if only they can figure it out. Like Santa Claus. He's the only one that's got this.

Jack: He's got the fear thing down.

Cristina: He's got it down.

Jack: He made capitalism sweet.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And he's like, you want stuff? Yeah, I want stuff. Well, you're not gonna get stuff if you're bad. Okay, I'm gonna be good. What do I do? Exactly.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Dips just disappears. He's like, figure it out. Figure it out.

Cristina: Vanishes while other gods have, like, crazy rules. I think the stress about other rules probably makes the fear.

Jack: That's what they're hoping. Here's a bunch of weird, abstract, hard to find, follow rules and you're gonna f****** panic.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Meanwhile, I gave no rules. I let them. Just imagine the worst.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The end.

Cristina: Yeah, well, I guess both ways Kind of work. At the end of the day, there's.

Jack: A lot of death in one way and there's zero in the other.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Santa's still winning.

Jack: He's winning by miles because he keeps. If it was just Hannah, Holy s***. He would milk everything. You can't f*** with him. You can't. You can't win against that. Because he gets it from everybody all the time, the whole year round.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Infinite. No God steps to Santa Claus.

Cristina: No.

Jack: They would lose if it's ever happened. We never heard of that God.

Cristina: No.

Jack: If we did hear that God, he disappeared. Where is the Middle Eastern Old Testament Jehovah? Why did he just vanish? What's. What's the deal? What's the dealio, bro? Was it that New Testament Jehovah cleared him out or. We know Old Testament Jehovah's kind of full of himself. Maybe he was like, I could step to Santa. F*** Santa.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And Santa was, like, blinked out of existence. And that's it.

Cristina: That's how powerful.

Jack: Just overpowered. Just gone. No more. Even Zeus is like, holy s***. No, I'm good. You do what you got to do. It's crazy that Zeus is still around. Not Jehovah from the Old Testament. That's the weirdest s*** again. It could just. A lot of people who would fight Jehovah from the Old Testament.

Cristina: Right?

Jack: The New Testament, Jehovah, f****** Zeus, Santa, anybody. That Zeus is probably just gonna be the first to attack. He's that guy.

Cristina: He's that guy.

Jack: So it could have totally been him, but maybe he's, like, over that. He hasn't done that s*** in some time. Hundreds of thousands.

Cristina: Odin doesn't do that thing.

Jack: Odin. He's more chill. He's more. Just don't come to me, and I don't f*** you up.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But New Testament Jehovah could have been.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: He doesn't seem particularly ruthless. On the flip side, he has way more access to adrenochrome and way more access to fear.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He's way bigger reach. So, like, hey, he's clearly stronger. He would have smacked down Old Testament God easy. Yeah, but we don't. We don't know. He just. There would be a story of the battle. That's the part that trips me out there. At least. Like, he could at least hold a moment against f****** Zeus, bro. He could at least hold a moment against New Testament God. He cannot hold a second against a God who has the planet's fear supply.

Cristina: No. Santa wins every.

Jack: Yeah. And it looks like it just kind of stops at some point in the Bible. And then it's like, yep, here's the end. Will happen to God. No, no, no. And God. The end.

Cristina: Then Jesus was born.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Or maybe Santa came into existence. No. I don't know. Not really.

Jack: I think. I think Jehovah stepped and it was the wrong direction. That's my ongoing theory. Jehovah was like, I need to reclaim power, man. Everybody's stronger than me right now. I gotta go to Santa Claus, f*** the strongest guy up, and just become.

Cristina: The Alpha Dragon Ball Z of gods or something.

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: Like, just having to fight each other all the time? Like, everyone in Dragon Ball Z fighting. Oh, no.

Jack: I mean, they're not fighting all the time. But he was definitely out there to prove that he's still the big bad s*** he thought he was.

Cristina: And he wasn't.

Jack: It seems like if that's the case. Because where the f*** did he go? Just. Just know. Jehovah. Poof.

Cristina: He's somewhere in his little area in the world, maybe.

Jack: Anyways. Yeah. That's the report for everything that's happening.

Cristina: It's a lot.

Jack: That's a lot. Adrenochrome. World Adrenochrome War 3.

Cristina: How did you say that? What was that?

Jack: World adrenal Chrome War 3. F*****. It's always f*****.

Cristina: Yeah. Wow.

Jack: Yeah, wow. It's truly shocking. It's impressive as f*** that this is where we are. Anyways. Yeah, you guys, I hope this week's news was useful. I hope it was as good for you guys as it was for us.

Cristina: At least there was a baby born.

Jack: At least there was a baby born. And now we understand how Sasquatch is not Sasquatch. But Bigfoot has been so prominent throughout history. It's. They're not really killing people. So we don't have as much of a reason to go and find them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And, like, they use their powers to cloak themselves. Okay, cool. You just.

Cristina: Why are more creatures. I mean, there are probably a bunch of creatures. There's a bunch of.

Jack: That. Yeah. There's a s*** ton.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We just usually associate them also with Bigfoot, I guess the same s***. But hey, we're getting answers little by little. We're doing our jobs. Failing. Sometimes.

Cristina: I failed. I felt this week.

Jack: It's all right. We failed a couple weeks ago. Hard.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We're still trying to fix it. This is another bad week. We're trying to fix it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I'm trying to do better for you guys. Because the problem is we don't just report we do a lot of the f****** fieldwork. We're reporting on our own field work.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we do a lot. We could just stop and then all of you die.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I mean, not all of you. I guess a clean half of you are in a whole other universe, but the other half of you that we know factually are on this planet. And whatever that f****** signal is that we still not investigated, by the way.

Cristina: Oh, eventually.

Jack: Eventually. There's too much on our f****** plate.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Anyways, we're gonna try to stop the f****** war for breaking out and see if we can help these gods get their s*** together.

Cristina: Mm. Mm. And get this groundhog together.

Jack: Yeah. Look, there's a whole other universe that we have no access to. If we can get these gods to somehow bridge a gap into that universe, dude, fair game. F****** scare. Everything in that universe collapse that, you know, we don't care, dude.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then if we can get that done, then s*** could stop on this side.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's an idea.

Cristina: Who knows?

Jack: Anyways, if you guys want to know all the s*** that led here and all. More, more, more. More disasters and more bullshit. All the crap that we deal with.

Cristina: Have we talked about. We've done other. Adrenochrome.

Jack: Yes. And other episodes on war and why war happens and how politics work and all that stuff.

Cristina: Yes, and how the gods work and.

Jack: How the gods work. That's important. Where the gods are located, small regions and stuff like that. We've covered all these separate things. If you guys want to find all that stuff, you can find it on the official website, greatthoughts.info or on Apple podcasts, Spotify, or anywhere you get your podcast.

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Jack: Bye.

Cristina: The person that was exploring the town during the movie. I don't know if it's like that in the game. They don't get sucked into it. Does the bell never ring for them? Is it just for. It's not actually ringing.

Jack: They totally got sucked in. What do you mean?

Cristina: No, there was the main person who was looking for his daughter or whatever the main story is. Or the woman. There's a woman.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And the man looking for the woman. But the man never gets sucked into the town. He never finds her.

Jack: Oh, no, no, no, no, no. That doesn't mean anything. If you get.

Cristina: But it's happening at the same time, though.

Jack: He got sucked in. He just doesn't necessarily have to see her while he's in there.

Cristina: Okay. Because nothing happens to him.

Jack: Really?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Are you definitely sure?

Cristina: I'm sure. I'm pretty sure. Only the lady and the cop that went after her.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Because she thought she was stealing the little girl. And they both. They both got.

Jack: I remember that cop lady went through some s*** too.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. PC thought this whole time, oh, this lady is stealing that girl and I gotta stop her.

Jack: Then I don't know.

Cristina: But then that the guy's there looking for her in the movie, and I don't think he gets sucked in because in the whole time he's looking for her, but I don't know if that's after this whole situation happened or he just doesn't hear the siren.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And it's happening at the same time.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. I don't remember. I don't remember that movie at all.

November 12, 2021

Rambling 151: Powerful Beings

November 12, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

Was Jehovah a single person or a group of people? Are Jehovah’s angels just Zeus’ children rewritten? Are the soldiers in Jehovah’s army (angels) roughly as powerful as Jehovah, but they merely believe in his philosophy and follow him rather than attempting to replace him? The duo unpack the possibility that Jehovah and his angels were merely a powerful group of humans with adrenochrome on their side at war with other factions of humans achieving the same abilities awarded by adrenochrome but through other rituals and traditions. What they discover about Hitler and Jehovah in the process is something no one could have ever predicted!

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Topics Discussed

Hitler
Zeus
Jehovah
Adrenochrome
Power
Biblical Giants
Small Humans
Biblical Metaphors
Omniscience
Nothingness
The Garden of Eden

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Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

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Jack: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised. Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released. Released.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. So be sure to pull someone close and scream at them that this is the show. This, the Just Conversation podcast, is the show. You're gonna be like, what do you mean? And you're gonna be like, it's the show. Be like, but what? The show.

Cristina: The what?

Jack: Which of the many? And why is this? And it's like, no, no, no, it's the show. There's one show and it's that show. It's like, no, but what about, like, Supernatural? And it's like, no, no, no, no. That's not real. Only the Just Conversation podcast is real.

Cristina: Is a real show or is real like.

Jack: No, it's a real show.

Cristina: Historically, both. Okay.

Jack: We are the show that's ever existed. Everything else is an illusion created by the Matrix. Anyway, so we were talking about how Jehovah.

Cristina: Right.

Jack: Everybody listening? We're back on this.

Cristina: Yes, whatever. We can't help it.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the angels are based on the Greek gods. We know that exact thing. Even with the Dead Sea Scrolls continuously being uncovered, all we're finding out is that it's basically a copy and paste of a bunch of Greek mythology s***.

Cristina: Yes, that sounds right.

Jack: So the same way that all the angels, all the gods were sort of equal to Zeus, maybe slightly less powerful, but they were equal in that Zeus is a demigod. He's a flesh person who you can kill and will stay dead. And all the other gods are essentially the same thing. My argument is that Jehovah, being based on this, works the same way. Now, he is the loudest, and he claims to be the one and only God, but I think all the angels are.

Cristina: Would it be equal to him?

Jack: Would be equal to him to some degree.

Cristina: Like, all the demigods would be equal.

Jack: To Zeus, all the gods to Zeus the way. All the angels to Jehovah. And the example I have is that Hitler was one man.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And there were millions of soldiers under his control, but they're all men.

Cristina: I mean, they were all equal to him.

Jack: Yeah. They're all Equal to him. But we don't know any of them.

Cristina: They're superhuman.

Jack: Yeah. We don't know a single one of them. And he is not special. Hitler was not special. He was just another person.

Cristina: But he made himself special.

Jack: He made himself special. He was the loudest, he was the scariest, he was the most ruthless. And as a result, he's who we remember. The same applies for Zeus, who was particularly ruthless and violent. And same applied to Jehovah. Jehovah was what, at the beginning? Aggressive, ruthless, monstrous, murderous, destroy, whatever. Until people are like, if we stop f****** with him, he will stop retaliating. Yeah, let's just listen. And then what? He just became a passive, kind guy because, like, everything is in the orders that I wanted it to be.

Cristina: But he had to be that tough guy first.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Weird. Yes, he is. He could be just another angel. Like, angel could just be the word for God or gods or demigods or whatever.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: 100% equal. But in all these. In all these stories about gods, whether it's Christianity or. What was the one that you just mentioned?

Jack: Greek mythology?

Cristina: Greek mythology or Norse mythology? Norse mythology. Thank you. Norse mythology. They all have giants as well in these stories. They're giants. And giants seem to be something other than human and gods, or at least that's why I feel like that's what's going on. If there are giants in the Christian book, what are they? Are they aliens?

Jack: Well, there's an interesting question there, because there are giants in the Christian Bible, especially the one that David fought.

Cristina: But in the Bible, they're human and angel babies. Right. Or something like that.

Jack: Well, Goliath wasn't. Goliath was just a giant that I believe was human.

Cristina: Oh, he was just a. But he's a giant human. He's not a giant giant. You know, like in.

Jack: No, I think he was abnormally huge. I think he was an impossible size.

Cristina: Oh, like an actual giant?

Jack: Like an actual giant.

Cristina: Oh, so then what are these giants?

Jack: Okay, so an easy argument for this would be people were smaller in the past. If you trace us far back enough, we're actually at our tallest proportion moment. Yes. Okay, well, it's complicated because it branches off in two different directions. Right. We began as smaller humans, but we were taller apes. So when we were still in the ape age.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We were pretty big.

Cristina: For apes.

Jack: For apes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And this is in the period where we started standing up on two legs and, like, looking around in that. Like, we were pretty tall around that time. Neanderthals, that kind of s***. We're talking huge. But then we enter the human ish era. We're humanoid and almost human.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then for whatever reason, there's a crazy dip and we're very small. Through the beginning of humanity, we're still.

Cristina: Big compared to apes, we're still small.

Jack: We're pretty small. We're talking like average height being anywhere between four, five and five feet.

Cristina: Whoa. Okay. What?

Jack: And we know that people can be as tall as 7ft, 9 inches, 9, 8ft. What's tallest human? Like, okay, we got huge f****** people.

Cristina: Yeah. But not many.

Jack: Almost twice the size of the average. If the average was four or five.

Cristina: Yeah. Are those giants?

Jack: So these people are technically giant? I think you're technically giant after you pass like six, six or something.

Cristina: But that's not what they're talking about in these stories.

Jack: Well, we don't know, because the problem with interpreting the Bible literally is that it's a book of metaphors to begin with.

Cristina: What about the other books, are they also metaphors?

Jack: I don't know. Assuming that these are also periods of time when they were. How do I put it? Okay. If you were to say, what is the past of Asia look like? Asians are usually pretty small. So were they smaller? Evolution tells us yes, probably. But then we look at something like Africans that are really tall.

Cristina: I don't.

Jack: If two of these people were to.

Cristina: Cross paths, would one see the other as a giant? Is that what you're saying?

Jack: Chances are in the past we would have seen the other as a giant.

Cristina: If we didn't know that they were people already.

Jack: Their skin already looks different. We've never encountered these people before. All we know is that they're humanoid, but literally twice the size of any of us.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's a giant. And when you write about that, that's a giant. And if they've never encountered you and you've never encountered them, Fear and hostility is human response, survival.

Cristina: Yeah. So they weren't really giants battling gods then. He's in a lot of these stories. It's a power, like fight between giants and gods for whatever.

Jack: I mean, for power, whatever. It's possible. Let's look at, let's compare these two situations. Right. You have Jehovah, all his angels waging war. We have Zeus, all the gods waging war.

Cristina: Yeah. And the Titans that are giants.

Jack: Yes. In these two cases we have the loudest guy who we know of and their army. Like we said, Hitler and his army.

Cristina: Okay, Right.

Jack: If this was taking place so long ago that it was let's say, I don't know the first f****** year, but the same event. So there's a guy who's a Hitler equivalent, super loud, surrounded by people just like him. But he's the loudest, he's the scariest, he's more ruthless. And there's a group of rebels who come from somewhere else. These rebels come from a. Now this Hitler is taking place in Asia. He's a short guy. We are terrorizing. We don't know if there's anything outside of Asia. We're over here terrorizing everything in Asia. Taking over, expanding, trying to explore what there is. And then these people popped out of nowhere. And they're like, that's wrong, what they're doing. But they're African. They're very tall, they're old school African. Like 6, 5, every single one of them. And over here, you're all four or five, every single one of you.

Cristina: So you're saying that these characters are probably based on humans, then it's not gods at all.

Jack: It's not gods at all. It was just some guy whose loudness was godly.

Cristina: Yeah, it's like in, what is it, North Korea, where he convinced everyone that he is pretty much God and he can't. Like, he doesn't need to use the bathroom and stuff like that. Like, there's stories like that about whoever this ruling evil dude is. This ancient Hitler.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes, exactly. Exactly. And I think that it's possible that the giants we've heard about were just an opposing team. The other people.

Cristina: The other people. Okay, I guess.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What? So it's not really. But then none of these stories matter when it comes to what could exist besides us.

Jack: Yes. Because everything is a story about us. And we just have to keep in mind that we are speaking metaphorically at all times in these books. So when we say giants. Well, what does it mean? Tall guy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: When we say God, maybe people in power, people with weapons, people can cause damage. People who other people listen to because.

Cristina: They just seem magical because of that. Because they have abilities.

Jack: No, no, no. It's not even magical. Those are also just metaphors.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah.

Jack: Everything is a metaphor.

Cristina: Yes, yes. Everything's a metaphor. Okay, okay. Take the magic out of it.

Jack: Take the magic out of it. Yeah. It's just loud people and war and crap of that nature.

Cristina: What? I guess. And it's just a history book.

Jack: It's a history book of metaphoric stories.

Cristina: Yes, all the books.

Jack: All the books.

Cristina: All the books are telling the same story, which are all metaphors.

Jack: Which is funny when you talk about the Dead Sea Scrolls. Right. And these things are being brought out, discovered, and they're just talking about the stories in the Bible, and the Christians are grabbing this s*** and running like, hey, a different book is talking about the same stories that took place in the Bible. What? And it's like, oh, my God. If you guys look at the text, you'll find out that the Bible was written using these texts, not the other way around. Not the other way around. It's not that two different groups of people saw the same events and wrote about them. It's that the Bible is based on these books who are based on those.

Cristina: Books, who are based on those other books who are based on those other books.

Jack: Like, and so the Christians are like a second. No, it's the same. It's the first version of the book you're reading?

Cristina: Yes, it's the first draft.

Jack: Yeah, it's the first draft. Well, you're like, wow, different. No, it's not different. It's the same book, but in.

Cristina: For the Dead. For the Dead Sea Scrolls. How can they read those? Is it even possible?

Jack: It's in Hebrew.

Cristina: Okay. So they can translate it somehow. Okay.

Jack: I mean, it's.

Cristina: I don't know how old they are. No, I didn't know it was still a common language that those were written in.

Jack: Oh, yeah, yeah, they were in Hebrew.

Cristina: Hasn't that language changed since then?

Jack: Yeah, but the language is still pretty, like, used pretty common. It's kind of widespread. And you can just ask somebody to read it to you. Like, the difference between Old English and now is hearing somebody talk about it. But if you were to read it, you can still pick up on what they're saying.

Cristina: Yeah, but it makes me. It reminds me of that story of that someone went through the Bible and then changed everything for other words to tell a whole new story where the Bible is actually about aliens and their experiment with humans and they were using the Hebrew language and giving different meanings, but it's the same word. But I guess that word has multiple meanings, so you can just change it to whatever you want it to mean, as long as it's the word. Because that word could mean. You know what I mean?

Jack: Okay, I know exactly what you're talking about and who you're talking about. I forget his name, but I know what you mean. And in the case that you're currently talking about the Bible being the story about aliens or whatever, out of the two possibilities that we're faced with, either say the Bible is being Literal? Well, in assuming the Bible is telling real events that were of supernatural proportions, at least us.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: Whether it be powers or science, the latter seems more likely because the words that they have in the time that the words were being used and written actually align more with the guy's argument about it being associated with foreignness and aliens as opposed to gods and perfection. So it's more likely that what they meant was aliens. That is fact.

Cristina: But I'm assuming no one's going to read those scrolls in using that way.

Jack: Of thinking, because they're already going to say that. Well, at least if they're Christian, they're going to look at it. Or Hebrew or anybody who believes in the religions of Jehovah.

Cristina: Yeah, they're going to translate it using those words that they're familiar with.

Jack: Yeah, the translation has to fit. It's the confirmation bias you're going to go in with. This is what it should sound like. So anything I read I gotta fix for being like this.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Versus reading it and knowing how the words were used at the time that it was written. So what they most likely mean which the guy you're talking about wrote a book explaining how the words were used previously.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And how when they were written in the Bible, there's no way they could have meant water when they meant the heavens or something like that.

Cristina: Yeah, he gets really into it.

Jack: Yes, I can remember his name. Name. But yeah, I know who you're talking about. In any case, it's always more likely than that there are aliens, than that there is a divine being who designed anything and everything somehow existing from outside reality.

Cristina: There can't be something outside. I don't be.

Jack: That doesn't make any sense. In fact, the idea that something or.

Cristina: They can be, but it can't be inside too.

Jack: The idea that something even thinks is an idea from within reality.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh, that's how complicated it is. Even the concept of perception, awareness. Consciousness is inside is a concept that exists within reality. For anything to have awareness and make everything else, you would have needed awareness to begin with, which is impossible to have it before reality in which that came to be exists.

Cristina: What?

Jack: So there could not be just definitively there could not be a God based on that. At least not an omniscient everywhere, all the time God, No. And the best we have for that is still from within reality. Which is to say, how did our universe come to be? And that's where we have nothingness observed by consciousness. We still don't know where the place where those two Things are is we know it's within. I guess it's reality.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Even if there's no universe, there's no space, time. There is just nothingness and consciousness. Those things still exist within reality.

Cristina: Can we prove that there's nothing? No, we can't.

Jack: No, it would be impossible.

Cristina: This is a question. You have to ask it. I don't know. I know there's no answer to that, but it's just.

Jack: Yes. The answer is there is nothing. There's as much nothing as there is something. They're both infinite.

Cristina: But can you prove it? How do you prove that nothing's there?

Jack: By proving that something is here.

Cristina: And that's enough.

Jack: It's easy. In order for something to be in a place, there must have been nothing there first. Otherwise the something could not go there because there's already something there. You need nothing there first in order to put this new something there. Okay, well, because we are here, there must have been nothing here.

Cristina: Because we are here, there must have been nothing.

Jack: Because if there was something here, we could not be here.

Cristina: Yes. That is so complicated.

Jack: Nothingness has to be just as likely as somethingness. But we can never experience a moment of nothingness, difference.

Cristina: Mmm. We cannot experience nothing that is complicated. But that's more about death than anything. That's complicated. Because then what is after life? Yeah.

Jack: More perception. Definitely.

Cristina: You don't think there could be a nothing?

Jack: We couldn't experience it no matter what we would continue to experience. That's why I don't fear death.

Cristina: Because you have to experience something.

Jack: Because the however long you experience nothing for, you'll be unaware that you experienced nothing. The example is always you die or you're dying and the light is slowly fading. And then the second it goes to black, a split second goes by, and then the light starts expanding again. And then you just pop out of somebody's v*****.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So you never stopped perceiving? Yeah, there was just more of the same. Or you die. You're dying. You're on your deathbed. You're an old man. You're about to leave your soul, you're about to leave your body. Everything is dying. The lights are going out. And then suddenly everything starts to fractalize and starts to break apart.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then there's just a bunch of parts everywhere. And you're still witnessing the part, but the concept of you is gone. But you're still watching the people who were your family slowly decompose into nothing that looks like just parts. You watch your body. You're Surrounded by decompose into nothing. And now you're still here, perceiving this soup of something.

Cristina: Do you? Huh? I guess. If that's true. And then you just. You're just born afterwards. Is it. Are you in the nothing? You wouldn't be born.

Jack: No, the previous scenario. You're born. In this scenario. You've died and crossed to some other plane of existence. Smooth. It was seamless. There was never here's space with nothing in it. Yeah, that never happened. You just went from, hey, you're sitting across from me. Christina, I'm on my deathbed. You come and you visit me next to my deathbed on my last moment. And you're like, hey, it was real fun to do this show with you, but you're dying. And I'm like, yeah. And then I see you. Slowly as the light goes away, you start to get fuzzier and fuzzier. And then you become so fuzzy. You're blending into the wall now because it's also fuzzy. Before long, everything is sort of uniform, but not. This is a mix of colors and stuff. And I also forget in that same progression, slowly start forgetting more and more of who I am until there is no me, There is no you. There's nothing. I don't remember anything. Because remembering is irrelevant here. Yeah, but I'm still perceiving. I've not stopped perceiving. Now I'm just seeing this mesh of colors. And now I start to decipher what this mesh of color means. And thus forming my new reality.

Cristina: That makes sense. Yes, that's probably it. Why wouldn't it be?

Jack: Why wouldn't it be? That's how we were born in the first place. We popped out, everything was a blur of colors. And we started just piecing together what that meant.

Cristina: Yeah, I think that sounds right. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. And we're like, okay, well, this mixture always means Mom. That mixture is always Mom. That's a chair over there. Some before long. Chair. Table. Mom. Christina. Tv.

Cristina: Red. Blue.

Jack: Red. Blue. Yeah, but then I'll forget all that s*** again.

Cristina: Yes, but there's never nothing.

Jack: Couldn't be. We couldn't perceive nothing. Otherwise it wouldn't be nothing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The moment we can perceive it, it's something.

Cristina: It's so confusing. It's not confusing, but it is complicated. Yeah.

Jack: It's possible to discuss. Impossible to imagine.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. What's less impossible is the. What's that thing we call now The Force? What are we calling it?

Jack: Yeah, the Force.

Cristina: The Force. Guess what? In. I'm not finished with the story, though. But I'm going to talk about what I've read so far.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: In Prince Lestat, the vampires, they're not just vampires. There's a starting point, if you remember from part two. There was the first vampire, but there was something that made the first vampire.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: It was some type of creature. I don't know what it is. When I picture the creature, it looks like the thing from Fullmetal Alchemist. The little black thing with an eye from the gate. From the Gate. Well, I don't know. But he was also in the real world with their dad. He had him in a little thing.

Jack: And pride was also made out of him.

Cristina: Oh, yes, yes. Well, that thing, he's in Prince Lest. That. Well, not. He's not in that story. Or maybe he is. I'm not sure. But whatever, he was in the First Vampire, and that's how the vampires were made. And in the newest book, there is a problem with creating vampires now. And a vampire's theory is that this thing that made the first vampire, it's. It's kind of like in all the vampires. And it's reached its limit of how far it could reach with its powers or whatever. Like it has a limit. It reminds me, though, of the Force and how we say if you use the Force too much. I don't remember what happens if you talk about how it's bad to use the Force too much. The dark side is bad to abuse it. Yes, it's bad to abuse it because.

Jack: Whatever, it'll turn on you.

Cristina: It'll turn. Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: You're weakening it or something.

Cristina: Yeah. So I feel like this story is pretty much following the rules, that all these other things that are like that are following.

Jack: That makes me think of the movie, the one. The one where Jet Li went around killing all the other versions of himself and every one of them he would kill would spread that one's energy amongst all the other versions of him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then where there were two, they were so inhumanly strong, they're superhuman.

Cristina: Yeah. Because that power has a limit.

Jack: Yes. So if that's what's happening in the story, then it's possible. If they just start killing vampires, the vampires who have those powers will get stronger progressively.

Cristina: Well, they get stronger progressively just by aging, too.

Jack: Yes, but if they murdered all the vampires.

Cristina: Well, there's maybe. I don't know what's happening in this world. But my guess is this creature is so tired of all the vampires that are around, it's trying to convince vampires, the older ones the strong ones to murder other vampires, all the weak ones because there's so many weak vampires. And I guess he's sick and tired of all these vampire. He's sick and tired of sharing this energy because it is him. And so he's getting these older vampires to kill them off because he is the energy. And I guess he's tired or he's being wasted and he's sick of it. So he needs some of them to die.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: Does that make sense? I feel like it makes. I don't know if that's what's happening, but that's what I think is happening.

Jack: It would make sense. Yeah. You did release some of the power and spread yourself less than.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: Makes sense.

Cristina: But I wonder if the force works like that too.

Jack: Possible.

Cristina: Like in the flash. It does seem like that.

Jack: Yes. There is the amount of force to go around. And if too many people are using it then other people don't have access to it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It is completely possible. Yes.

Cristina: It's interesting they all work like that.

Jack: Because you have to think that the universal energy that exists everywhere is being used by everybody. There is a sort of amount of individuals that could be tuned in at any one moment.

Cristina: There is an amount that there's.

Jack: Okay. Most people probably use the energy small time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So if somebody's using a f*** ton of it somewhere in the universe, 99.99% of everything is using fractions of it and doesn't even. Like they can still use it because the chunk free is so big by comparison that that small tiny chunk could still be spread out amongst a whole planet.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know like everybody on earth using it at the smallest percentage. A small fraction of the force can use the force at the same time that somebody else where is using 70% of it in one shot. Because that 25 is still a ton of energy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But now if two creatures or two civilizations decided to use 75% at the same time. We're not advanced enough to do that.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Or we haven't found things like that. And if we did, we could destroy this plan by acc. If somebody had that kind of power. But if somebody does and there's two of them, who knows how often these people are using it. So those people can't.

Cristina: Yeah. That would start a huge problem.

Jack: That would start a huge problem. Now we don't encounter that because we're primitive in every case. Whether it be magic, whether it be science, whatever the case, we're primitive.

Cristina: But if there's something on Earth right now because it reminds me of adrenochrome and towers falling for the blood. And what if that's also involved in.

Jack: It's not enough.

Cristina: It's not enough.

Jack: Small potatoes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We're talking even the gods from within Earth, Zeus, Jehovah, these people. Right.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They could both simultaneously use the energy and it would still not. They could both use as much as they know how. And there would still be energy to go around. And it would still be an insignificant amount because they're still regional. One is from Greek.

Cristina: Yeah. But there was still problems though. But I guess that's because with each other more than. I mean, like in their little groups. There was a bigger problem.

Jack: Yeah, but doesn't. We're talking about the force. It's not causing any force disturbance.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because they can both use it effectively.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we haven't drained. Now, if everybody on Earth had the same capacity to use it that Zeus and Jehovah did, would then. That created then. Or are we still talking small potatoes because it's still one planet.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's something out there so powerful it took over the Great Void.

Cristina: And how could that be? If there was a limit.

Jack: If there. There is a limit.

Cristina: If there.

Jack: But they were using. And keep in mind how small the Great Void is as compared to the rest of the universe. It's so small. We look and we got to look really far and we see it really small. We just know that it's huge because we still see it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But it's far and tiny. So that took an immense amount of energy.

Cristina: That definitely did. Yeah.

Jack: If somebody did that with raw power, not just science, but using some sort of power.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Can two beings do that? Now we're talking a different scale.

Cristina: Mm. And you think they can do that?

Jack: I think yes. I don't know. Can two at the same time. But also that's such a small amount. Like, how big is the power distribution we're talking about if it's using the entire universe, if the whole universe is using the same energy source.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: How big are we talking? And like, is our universe old enough to even have beings that can wield such exaggeration? Or has it been.

Cristina: It seems like we can't all share it though. Or if we're looking at like full metal alchemists. They needed to kill people to. To share it between the powerful people that are using or whatever. Or was that not needed for the energy to be used? I feel like it related.

Jack: No, because they are using something different. They use energy to make transmutation. You Mean philosopher stones.

Cristina: Okay, that's.

Jack: No, it's the same exchange. If every one transmutation required a death.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Right. Then the philosopher's stone is cashing in your deaths ahead of time to then use the power later.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Same concept.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's just. When are you paying?

Cristina: Yeah. That is so complicated. That's. That's. That show is just so dark. But there is a limit. But there's no way to reach that limit.

Jack: There is a way to reach that limit. We just don't know what.

Cristina: We can't reach it.

Jack: Yeah. And we can't fathom what would there should be. Because there is a limit.

Cristina: Has someone reached that limit?

Jack: Probably not. What is the lifetime of God? What. What. What numbers would we give if he can outlive our entire universe? In fact, our entire universe is the fraction of a second to God. But he lives 100 years his time. So if a fraction of a second. Right. We hadron collider. We smash two atoms together. Boom. The conditions of the universe. A whole civilization happens in that small space. A whole universe happens. Bunch of galaxies, bunch of planets, a bunch of civilizations. 50 trillion years go by and then that universe dies. Great. Sweet. Okay, fine. Universe is dead after trillions. That was a fraction of a second. How long in comparison to that fraction of a second will I. Is my time if I'm 100 years old and that's I'm just die at 100 normal a** f****** life. But that I'm the guy who smashed the two atoms together and made that. So in that timescale, we're now in the universe that is going to expire in 50 trillion years. But all of this has been a moment God doesn't even notice is happening because it's happening so quick.

Cristina: Yes, but we're somehow using his energy or.

Jack: Well, my point would be at that scale, what is a minute? What is a day? Could we fathom what a second is?

Cristina: No.

Jack: A second is long as h***. A second could be the entire. Actually this whole universe exists in less than one second of God.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: If we convert that to energy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's nothing like it's. It could expire.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In a normal. God is going to die in a.

Cristina: But it took a lot of energy to make us, though.

Jack: It took such insignificant energy to run the hadron colliders that we still have everything else in the planet working simultaneously.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Do you see?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just to smash two atoms together and create a whole universe. It took so little energy, most people don't even know that Machine exists.

Cristina: All right?

Jack: Nobody noticed anything happened.

Cristina: Everyone feared for the worst.

Jack: Nobody knew. That's all just stories from people who were looking into it.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Nobody knew what was happening. Oh, and it's happened many times.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, those are all fake stories.

Jack: So in these cases, one fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a second to a hundred years. So to a full life amount of energy, what is our universe? Insignificant?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's easy to waste the energy. Something could use it. Is there anything within here who could use it? I don't. F***.

Cristina: Probably not. Is adrenochrome the closest we get to that, though?

Jack: Adrenochrome? Isn't that. Is adrenochrome connected to the Force?

Cristina: I don't know. That's why I'm wondering. I'm wondering if it is.

Jack: No, I think adrenochrome is a shortcut.

Cristina: To what?

Jack: To not have to use the Force, but acquire all the same things. Okay. Think of what Alan Watt says. You could meditate into an entirely new perspective of viewing the world and understanding reality. Or you could f****** take acid. Like acid is good to show you the window. But learn how to get there on your own.

Cristina: Oh, okay. It's better to learn how to get there.

Jack: It's not better, it's just a different way. He suggests learn together on your own. But who cares if you can get there?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The point being that while we have. Actually, I have an idea. I lost my train of thought.

Cristina: We talk about how adrenochrome is a shortcut to blind.

Jack: Oh, yeah. Then adrenochrome would in any case be the asset. It's like the Force is the way there, but not everybody's connected to it. Not everybody has a He man sword or Power Ranger powers or f****** this or that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Jedi mind tricks or whatever. Sometimes you just take adrenochrome and you get there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's instant versus a bunch of Pragues and studying monks can get there. Spend their whole lives, mind you, instantly when you meet them, what the f*** is happening?

Cristina: Or take adrenochrome.

Jack: Take Adrenochrome.

Cristina: No practice.

Jack: But also the same things would happen. People who practice and learn how to use the things, are they out there causing trouble?

Cristina: Trouble? No, never. But they don't have withdrawal, which I guess is a good.

Jack: Yes, that's another good.

Cristina: That's a good thing.

Jack: But also they're not out there causing. Because they learn how to wield it. Yeah, but if you got the power overnight. Do you know how to wield it? No, you just got crazy abilities. It's the same idea of when we were having that episode about the mass shooting maybe two, three seasons ago, and me and Blake were talking about our guns bad and our people bad. And it's like, no, not really. Yes, people die all the time. But if you gave everybody a gun overnight. Well, actually, we're talking about the Internet particularly, which was. Is the Internet evil? It's like, no, the Internet is just a brand new creation. And we don't know what the f*** we're doing.

Cristina: We definitely don't know what we're doing with the Internet or with guns.

Jack: With the Internet or with guns. Well, we know how to use guns. More guns really don't cause that much of a problem.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If you gave everybody a gun, we kind of get it. But before anybody knew what a gun. This is how I proved my point. Before anybody knew what a gun was. If suddenly I invented guns today and I just happened to make enough of them to give everybody a gun. A lot of people are gonna die.

Cristina: Yes. No one knew about what it was.

Jack: Yeah, a lot of people are gonna die because we don't know what the f*** we're doing. Even after we see a couple of people dying, people can be. Well, I could defend my house with her. I could do this without. People are gonna shoot each other because we don't know what the f*** we're doing. Same goes for the Internet. We don't know what the f*** we're doing. We're just screaming at each other because we don't know what the f*** we're doing.

Cristina: Yes. Because they're complicated. Because people shoot themselves.

Jack: Yeah, but those are accidents. That. That doesn't happen often.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's probably the. In Earth history, every year, maybe 10 people shoot themselves by accident.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Like, it's not worth the mention.

Cristina: Okay, but it happened.

Jack: Yes, but also some dude fell upstairs. That's also something that happened once. Like, it's fine once in a.

Cristina: Like, I don't know, just once.

Jack: Weird things happen. Never. Look at the anecdotal anomaly that doesn't fall into the act.

Cristina: Like the lady who killed her husband with a squirrel or something.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like when the only one time in a lifetime.

Jack: Yeah. Like, it's pointless to be like, well, that one thing happened. Like, who gives a s***? It'll never happen again.

Cristina: Yeah. Unless we got to worry about people trying to kill other people with squirrels. That becomes a thing.

Jack: Those circumstances are so highly specific.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They don't matter.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. With all that comes the equivalent of the Force, and we can't do that. We. With something we don't know how to use, which is how we end up with people just having withdrawal, desperately trying to get as much adrenochrome as possible, doing weird things and abusing their power. Meanwhile, the people who practice to get to the same place don't give a. Yeah, they're just enjoying it.

Cristina: Yeah. Cool.

Jack: Interesting point, now that I think about it, though.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Thinking about Hitler and his army and Jehovah and his army and Zeus and his army, essentially. Maybe the same person, whatever this army was, was definitely tuned into the Force themselves, wasn't it? Not Hitler's army.

Cristina: Well, we don't know for sure.

Jack: But like Jehovah's army, just humans, not even demigods, just humans who tuned into the Force and collectively, quite some power. Not only is the leader, the most powerful, most ruthless, most dangerous one, and the one we all know about and refer to the rest of the movement as, but all the other people also, they learn and they practice and they studied together.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they could know how to use the Force and with that, use the power to suppress everyone else.

Cristina: Yeah. That's so weird because I was thinking about giants and how, like, what if they're the ones using adrenochrome because they're doing weird things, too, besides that they're giant. They're usually doing the weird same things that the gods are doing. They have a different title and they look different, obviously, but they're doing pretty much the same things. They're kind of equal.

Jack: What do you mean by doing the same things?

Cristina: Like, they can do the same powers or they have the same strength or whatever. You want to describe it, they turn into birds. They turn into birds. Like, there's no difference except for their title.

Jack: So you're saying God is a title to a type of human?

Cristina: Yes, they're calling themselves gods, and we call them gods because they call themselves gods and they call themselves giants. So we do the same.

Jack: Maybe they didn't call themselves any of that and we called them all that.

Cristina: Okay. But they were still both. Like, what's the difference of the two groups?

Jack: There's no difference. It's just two different, like, ethnic groups at most using the Force, Adrenochrome or the Force. Or in any case, maybe one was using one and the other was using the other. It looks like outside of religion, people aim towards other means. Witchcraft. You don't need blood for f****** witchcraft unless you're doing black magic, which is circling right back to the same s***.

Cristina: You just reminded me. God needs blood. So they're the ones doing a dream of Chrome. If anyone's doing adrenochrome, it's the gods.

Jack: Yeah, well, again, like what I'm saying, anybody outside of religion is doing magic. They're doing meditation. They're doing.

Cristina: They're using the forest.

Jack: They're using the forest. Anybody within religion, it's a whole different story. Using adrenochrome, they're cheating. They don't have the natural ability. Although they go around telling everybody. Everyone else is using the bad thing, but everybody else is doing what? Using nature.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So a quick example would be, right, you go to church and they tell you we're going to chant together, and you are going to pretend to drink blood and pretend to eat flesh. Sit down, shut up and listen to me. Good guys, according to themselves. And then they'll point at the other side and be like, those are the bad guys. What are the bad guys doing? Stay in touch with nature.

Cristina: Yes, that's what I was going to say. Instead of listening to what someone else is saying, you're listening to nature and hearing what it tells you.

Jack: Yeah. Be introspective. Ask what's right and what's wrong. Question everything. The. The story of the apple. Why is God so dedicated to not having Adam and Eve eat the apple? It's like, why don't you want them to. You made the perfect things. You don't want them to have knowledge.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Why don't you want them to have not? Of course, chances are he found that f****** garden.

Cristina: I don't think he ate that apple.

Jack: I don't think God was a. God wasn't allowed to eat that.

Cristina: He wasn't allowed to. He was like, you guys can't have it because I can't have it.

Jack: I think that's exactly what happened. I think God was not allowed to eat the apple. And he is an angry and jealous God according to himself.

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: So if he was angry that he couldn't and jealous that they could. No, f*** it. My God doesn't talk to them. I'm not gonna let them eat either.

Cristina: Except that they. Because he's not perfect. Like, whoever made him. Or not as perfect, you know, whatever.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: They could not listen to him, which he has to, I guess, listen to whoever made him.

Jack: Yes. He can't actually eat the apple. There's nothing he could do to eat that apple. Yeah, but they could.

Cristina: But they could. Yes. And they did What? That makes sense.

Jack: God doesn't have all the information. It's possible Adam and Eve had more information. Yep.

Cristina: Whoa. Do you think they shared it with us? Did we bury that information?

Jack: No, I think we actively suppress that information. I think religion does a pretty good effort of trying to suppress the real information that's out there, while Adam and Eve knew the real information that was out there. But we cut their stories short and remove what they're saying a lot of the time.

Cristina: This is because there is no story. They just gave birth to a bunch of children. The end.

Jack: Yeah. We don't talk about the fact that they knew everything.

Cristina: Yeah. Did they teach their children? Yeah. I don't know. That's interesting. What if God couldn't eat the apple?

Jack: It's doubtful that he could. Yeah, he probably never eat the apple. He probably didn't make that garden. That cartoon is just his home. It's his fishbowl.

Cristina: It's his fishbowl.

Jack: It's his fishbowl to where something greater is just watching God.

Cristina: But then when he kicked them out, what did he kick them out into?

Jack: The world.

Cristina: The world? Is that inside his fishbowl?

Jack: No, he kicked them out of the.

Cristina: Fishbowl where he lives.

Jack: He lives. God can't leave the fishbowl. That's why he's obligated to do other things, to communicate. For whatever reason, Lucifer and Jehovah are bound to their respective locations because they have to do other things to communicate. They have to send a physical. Not physical, but like an energy based thing. Talk to you through a bush. Talk to you through your dreams. Send the messenger angel because he cannot leave.

Cristina: Oh, crap. He is trapped wherever he is.

Jack: God is in prison.

Cristina: Yes. He's in prison. No. I don't know.

Jack: He's trapped wherever he is. He has messengers for days and he has tricks for days. I can talk to you through any number of. Why don't you come down?

Cristina: I'll blind you.

Jack: He's got excuses. Oh, like, bro, you've destroyed the earth many times.

Cristina: Doesn't matter.

Jack: You don't care. No, but he's trapped wherever he is. It's a fishbowl.

Cristina: It's a fishbowl. Yes.

Jack: And it's probably the garden.

Cristina: But is that fishbowl near here? In here? In this reality?

Jack: Could be. Maybe. Could be a pocket dimension.

Cristina: A pocket dimension.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And it could be that in kicking people out, he sent them out to the earth where they weren't meant to be. Maybe that's why we're destroying Earth. We weren't meant to be here. We were all supposed to be in this garden that would grow proportionately with the number of people that are in there for all of infinity. The garden would always be the right size for the number of people there. Yes, but the planet doesn't grow by itself.

Cristina: No. That's interesting.

Jack: We sent out people who were never meant to die in the first place. Also in the garden. They were immortal.

Cristina: They were immortal. Okay.

Jack: Ate the apple and then were kicked out and given mortality. I don't think that's how that story really goes. I think as long as you're in the garden, you're mortal, you're immortal, and as long as you're outside of the garden, you're mortal. Maybe God is too old to leave the garden. He might die instantaneously. It's like if Dorian Gray looked at his picture 200 years later.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He would immediately age to the age he should have been.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Maybe God would immediately age to the age it should be and die instantaneously.

Cristina: If he leaves the garden. Whoa.

Jack: If he leaves the garden, the garden is keeping him immortal.

Cristina: Mm. What? I wonder if there's other magical creatures there, though. I mean, not magical, but talkative, I guess. Like the talking snake.

Jack: The talking snake, which is also in the Bible. Not even really Lucifer. I don't know what that's about.

Cristina: It's a snake, and it talks. Were there other animals or the talking birds? Yeah.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. It is fascinating to think about that. That maybe the source of his mortality, immortality, is the garden.

Cristina: Like the first story, though, of Lilith. Was she kicked out of the garden? Was she still living in the garden? I don't know, because she was still able to rape Adam and stuff, but.

Jack: I don't know, man. Now, the question here would be God trying to make another God. He's managing everything with messengers from within the fishbowl. So he sends messengers, tries to navigate how things happen, tricks people into doing things, causes tragedies, and once in a while, attacks directly.

Cristina: Yes. To attacks Earth.

Jack: Yeah. But he's doing all of this from the fishbowl, which is why we never see him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The closest thing he got was that clever trick of Jesus. He's like, well, I found the way to convert my energy into this other being that's sort of me, but not me. But he can be outside without me dying in here. And I can see through his eyes and I can move him around, but I'm gonna be limited in information and limited in ability.

Cristina: It feels like he's already really limited in many ways.

Jack: Compared to us, he's not. Yeah, he's way more free than we could ever be. But then Jesus is human, so, like, he's limited if you're comparing him to omniscience.

Cristina: Yeah, but, like, as far as humans.

Jack: Go, he's not limited by anything.

Cristina: Yeah. And.

Jack: And then there's Jesus is way out of the bubble until Jesus dies, until he gets killed. Because he's not infinitely powerful, that version of him is still mortal. It was the only way he could get outside of the bubble without him leaving the bubble.

Cristina: Personally, do you think he's gotten out of the bubble after that, though? Why would he just stop at Jesus?

Jack: Maybe he hasn't. Maybe he hasn't. Maybe he's many different people throughout time. This is the only way to experience anything.

Cristina: Yeah. Think he brought anyone back into that bubble? He kicked people out. And we know about those stories, but who says he hasn't kidnapped people? Unless that's what those stories of people going, there was a guy who just walked into heaven. I don't know who he was, but he walked up the stairs to heaven or something like that. Is he in the garden right now?

Jack: Heaven is not the garden.

Cristina: Heaven's not the garden. Where's God? He's not in heaven. Then.

Jack: God is not in heaven.

Cristina: He's in the garden.

Jack: God is in the garden.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Heaven is some other realm.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like h*** is probably just a shadow realm.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we call it some other crap, but ironically, angels come from there.

Cristina: So heaven and h*** could be the same place.

Jack: No, I think the liars that we know as Jehovah and his army, who say we're not only omniscient, but like, we're the good guys. And it's like you're the only guy who's drinking blood, so maybe you're not. Maybe the people who are like, go be one with nature are definitely on the right track. And you calling them the devil and then going and drinking blood, maybe you're wrong. But chances are more reason to go back into the shadow realm that the garden is located inside the shadow realm.

Cristina: The garden's in the shadow realm. But you don't think heaven.

Jack: It's already in a different plane.

Cristina: Do you think heaven's not a place then?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: What do you think? That's a lie.

Jack: It's possible that either heaven or h*** is the shadow realm.

Cristina: Okay. Because I feel like it has both creatures. So it's most likely that all those locations are the same location.

Jack: It could be that all the other s*** is the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Yeah. So. Oh, back to the Shadow Realm.

Jack: And in the Shadow Realm, Somewhere in the Shadow Realm, this weird mazy confusing. Every direction leads to every direction mass there is the garden.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which God cannot leave.

Cristina: Except wait, I just remembered. He's a beaver here right now.

Jack: You're right. He's a beaver on this side. Well, he's actually a beaver groundhog. And he isn't even over here.

Cristina: Well, we don't know where he is.

Jack: We don't know. He could be a groundhog on this side. Or he's over there and he manifests as a groundhog on this side.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because his actual form is a groundhog. If he's over here, he's pretending, but he's over there. And people fearing for their weather conditions and season report for their crops. And we're going to be broke this year. That fear allows him to manifest and talk to them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So he could just be a being from the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: He could be okay. Yes. So the best choice is just to wait then. Just gotta be patient for him to pop up. Because we know when and where.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: So we'll get that groundhog.

Jack: Definitely. It's pretty interesting.

Cristina: That is. And if we somehow miss the groundhog wasn't there. I keep saying beaver, but I'm pretty sure in another country it's the talking beaver that gives them the weather. I think it was like different animals in different locations, but they're all around the world. The groundhog is just the closest one to us, so it'd be easiest to get him.

Jack: Fair. And I'm assuming every one of those regions has different gods as well. And different gods pretend to be different things as well as different kinds of ghosts and entities of those natures. Which goes to show that gods are just demigods who happen to inhabit certain regions of the Earth. Yeah, that's fascinating. And as for groundhogs and s***, My voice is almost recovered after he got bitten by that stupid f****** groundhog.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Soon I'll be back at a hundred percent. I can almost do high notes. Almost.

Cristina: So what are you right now, 75?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Awesome.

Jack: I'm getting there. I'm getting there.

Cristina: Everyone's worried about you. There's like hundreds of thank you letters. I don't know why. Thank you.

Jack: Yes. Many, many thank you letters.

Cristina: It's really confusing.

Jack: Yes. They all heard I was hurt and they're all just thanking me.

Cristina: I think they think you're dying. Like this is it for you.

Jack: They think this is it.

Cristina: Yeah. So they're like, thank you for host. You're gonna be soon replaced by you again. But we want to thank you for the time you've been with us.

Jack: Yeah. It won't matter. They won't tell the difference.

Cristina: They won't tell the difference. No. So. But whatever they. They consider it if this is your passing away moment. But you're saying it's not.

Jack: I'm saying it's not. But thank you for all the thank you letters that we've received over the last couple of days following the previous episode where I talked about getting bitten by the groundhog that was just a normal non radioactive groundhog.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So thank you for all the thank you letters that we've gotten. It's great that that happened, I guess. You're welcome.

Cristina: You're welcome.

Jack: Welcome to all of you.

Cristina: Because this is it. I mean, this is the show. That's what you said in the beginning. This is the show.

Jack: This is the show. Yeah, it's the show. Anyways, so. Yeah. Hope you guys have some ideas or thoughts on anything we discussed right now. It'd be interesting to hear what you guys have to say about this. Is it making more sense? Are we reflecting defining what God is that we unmutty the Bible by saying that God is a groundhog from the shadow realm that exists inside of a fishbowl dimension that is known as the Garden of Eden and that humans are.

Cristina: Have the force and have adrenochrome as the shortcut force?

Jack: Yes, yes. We're just clarifying all the things. You guys know, you guys know how we do. We give you information. A little bit of good, a little bit of bad, some of the do's and don'ts. And this is my. Before you buy.

Cristina: What are they buying?

Jack: I don't know. Isn't that what that guy's friends, what is it? Some of the good, some of the bad. You know how we do. Before you buy. Anyways, yeah. I hope you guys enjoyed this conversation. If you guys want more conversations of this nature, there are many. And the most recent episodes we've been sort of circling these topics, refining them. That way we know what our next steps are going to be. And you can find more episodes like that or like this or like any thing. Essentially, we cover everything under the sun. You can find that on Greathoughts.

Cristina: We have hundreds of episodes.

Jack: Yes. You can find that on greatthoughts.info on Apple Podcasts or Spotify or anywhere you get your podcasts.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook. Twitter, Instagram and TikTok. UsConvopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe, rate, and review the show, because that's always great to hear what you guys are thinking. So please go. If you're listening right now, if you made it this far, go review. Go review. You heard this far and you haven't left a review, go review and tell us what you genuinely thought. Take a moment, do it right now. It'll be awesome.

Cristina: And then we'll have to include an emoji.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: For this episode. What is it gonna be?

Jack: I don't know. Put a smiley of some sort.

Cristina: The one with the hearts.

Jack: No, put a poop emoji.

Cristina: Poop emoji. Okay.

Jack: There you go.

Cristina: Put a poop emoji, a true, honest review of the show, and a poof.

Jack: And a poop emoji at the true, honest review of the show, the right amount of stars that you believe we deserve, and then a poop emoji. Go do that now.

Cristina: Yes. And let someone who might like the show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth, incredibly powerful. And we're refining the meaning of science, religion, philosophy and everything. We're making it one. So, you know, tell people. Tell people who are trapped.

Cristina: They have to know.

Jack: Yeah. Tell people who are trapped in one of those systems so they can be trapped in all of them with us.

Cristina: Yes. Wow. This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. It's very complicated.

Cristina: What made you think of that, though?

Jack: I don't know. I was just. It's just an im. I don't know what the f*** I was even doing, but the images popped into my head. I'm like, how weird and fat. I've been thinking about it for, like, a week straight.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah. I'm like, this is so trippy.

Cristina: Is the Blue's Clues thing trippy, too, or not as trippy?

Jack: Holy sh. I didn't even connect those dots. I didn't think about it. But, yeah, it's kind of crazy. Blue skirt, dude, we can, too. Then they hop into a f******. But they live in a jumbled f****** mess.

Cristina: They do.

Jack: Weird to assume the coyote and the Roadrunner exists in, like, a relative reality.

Cristina: Or whatever, but the weird thing about them is that they can't normally jump into pictures. They have to announce that they're using Blue's powers of jumping into pictures.

Jack: What the f*** is Blue? Blue's some, like, mythical creature with powers, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like his.

Cristina: Blue, like the roadrunner. They have special powers.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no, no, no. The Roadrunner is like Wile E. Coyote sometimes. Wile E. Coyote can break the laws of physics, too. It could break reality in his own instances. While Blue seems to kind of be like an omniscient God in his world or some s***, where he can however he wants. He's kind of like Deadpool.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning.

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August 14, 2021

Rambling 139: Electricity Apocalypse

August 14, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

What happens if the world’s electrical equipment stopped working? How long before society broke down? How what would be the best plan of action to survive? The duo unpacks how to survive in an increasingly hostile world after the power grids go down.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

Wireless Headphones
Technology Co-Dependency
Dog Eat Dog World
Slow Societal Collapse
Apocalyptic Play by Play
Cannibalism
Looting
Global Food Supply Breakdown
Survival Supplies
Crop Growing
River Settlement

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Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcripts

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

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Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. Yes, it is. So go out into the wild, into the woods as usual. Or if you're in a desert, I guess that makes sense, too. Anywhere. Anywhere is good.

Cristina: Find some outside.

Jack: Yeah, the outside world.

Cristina: Why does it have to be outside?

Jack: Fair enough. Break into somebody's house.

Cristina: That sounds easier.

Jack: Yeah, I mean, I'm assuming people in the wilderness were already listening to our show instead of people just chilling at home, but I guess there's a pandemic going on. Everyone's life, everyone's inside. You could just break into somebody's house and be like, you guys are listening to a fun, exciting podcast. Fun for the whole family.

Cristina: I always imagine them riding on a train and then getting the person on some random person on the train to listen to it. Because people like to listen to podcasts while traveling.

Jack: Yeah, could be they just pull out the headphones. They're like, what the f***, dude? Yeah, it's like, I got something better.

Cristina: Better than whatever the person's doing.

Jack: Yeah. And then they share headphones with a stranger.

Cristina: How does that work?

Jack: When you stand next to each other and you share headphones.

Cristina: Mm. Like the headphone is just in between the ears. I guess I'm thinking of these headphones. Like, how would it work?

Jack: No, no, no. Like the little earbud things that you put in.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then one takes one, one takes the other. Or now they use the wireless ones anyway.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So you could just hand it to them. And they don't have to be all close and personal, but the emotion, the love and care of being that close together dissolves with. Because it used to be way more intimate and romantic to listen to something with somebody else. Because you had to be shoulder to shoulder listening to things. Now you can just give them the headphones and walk away. And it's not. It's intimacy's dying, man.

Cristina: With strangers.

Jack: Yeah. Or just all around intimacy in general. But I mean, that's a. That's a course of technology, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Technology makes us very detached and impersonal.

Cristina: We're Becoming robots.

Jack: Sort of. Kind of. I mean, that's always been the case. We're always getting more mechanic and robotic and computerized.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Our phones are the grand masters of that. They hold everything.

Cristina: If we didn't have phones though, I feel like it'd still be the same. We do something else. We use our laptops.

Jack: Yeah, but we weren't as attached to our laptops as we are to our phones. No, the phone has made it too convenient, the laptop. Well, nobody wants to carry this big s*** around. People use it for practical reasons. Now you just use your phone for f****** anything all the time, whatever. And then the other problem is apps for whatever the f*** you ever need.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If you had a thought, there's an app for it.

Cristina: Mm. I'm not that creative. I don't have enough apps anymore. Apps? No, I have apps. My phone sucks. So it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. But is there any creative apps you found that you didn't think exist would have existed?

Jack: Not anything per se, but I know that there's an app for everything, usually consuming a person's life. If you are going to jog, get an app on your phone. You can track your progress while you're outside jogging.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You're going to eat. Get a food schedule so you know how many calories you're consuming, how many meals you've had.

Cristina: There's app for studying, so you don't look at your phone, so it records, but it has to be on, I guess. So you're still using. Using the phone.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: To not use the phone.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's. It's, it's ridiculous. Yeah, your phone holds your phone number so you don't have to remember them anymore.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And Google's on your phone. You don't have to learn anything.

Cristina: Because of Google.

Jack: Because of Google, you don't have to learn anything. They just put out an app for like solving kids math problems or some as powered by Google.

Cristina: And it's like, why are you advertising that Google? I mean, I think it's from Google though.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the other problem is like, are they wrong though? Because like, oh, you know, you got to learn how to do this in your head because you're not gonna have a calculator everywhere you go.

Cristina: My Google's like, I'll be your calculator everywhere you go.

Jack: Yeah, I'll be your calculator everywhere you go. Teachers lie, dude. Well, they didn't know. They didn't know. They're like, you never, you're not gonna have a calculator everywhere you go. It's like, no, no. We're gonna have the planets total 100% knowledge. All of it, all the time in my pocket.

Cristina: Yes. So how important is math now? What do teachers say?

Jack: It's the same idea as cursive writing. Who gives a s***?

Cristina: Yeah, that's more like a hobby thing now.

Jack: Like who gives a crap about math anymore? Yeah, your phone does. All of it.

Cristina: Yeah. So what is math class like if you don't need to do any of it?

Jack: I don't need to like show your work. It's like, why, what's it, what? Teachers send us messages? What is your new bullshit excuse for why they need to show the work? What if the power goes out? Then math doesn't matter anymore. Yes, while we have power, your phone will solve it.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: When the power is out, everybody's gonna go on a dog eat dog murdering spree. And survivors don't need math. They're already the strongest. They're just gonna take the thing. They're not gonna f****** barter or exchange anything.

Cristina: How do you know? Why would it go straight to doggy dog?

Jack: It would go, from today we have power. Five minutes from now, all the power of the earth dies.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: 15 minutes from then. There are raiders outside in full Raider uniforms.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Pillaging and stealing everything.

Cristina: How do they even know? Like was there announcement that they know that the power is not going to come back on?

Jack: Nobody's going to wait that long. They're just like, well, I'm going to go to the next town where the power is at. And then they get there and there's no power. Like, well, I'm going two towns over. I'm going to go to the f****** power plant. Because they need to have power. They're like, oh, power plant is done too.

Cristina: And that's when they decide to raid everything.

Jack: It'd be so good. People at the power plant are going to like f****** start screaming it off rooftops.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then it's just going to create a chain, like a wave of f****** everybody being aware that there's no power.

Cristina: It'S just in that area. Or this is the world.

Jack: Well, it would happen like this. No, it's everywhere. Because in theory we assume that there, there are people at the, the power plants. They're like, oh my God, the power's gone. It's gone forever. And we know because we work at a power plant.

Cristina: Ah. And then once that's all machines.

Jack: Exactly. Like numbers told us or something. And then they run and they jump in a car that's totally 100% gas powered and has no electricity in it. And then they drive straight into city. Oh, the power's gone. We're all gonna die. And then everybody. Oh my God, the guy I know who works at the power showed up in his totally mechanical car.

Cristina: Everyone gonna get. Because how long will it take for everyone to have that information? Since they're not using the computer, they can't find it online.

Jack: That's actually interesting.

Cristina: Now you have to hear it from someone who heard it from someone who heard it from someone. Like how long does it take you to actually find out that?

Jack: A lot of people would just assume it's coming back and they would just assume it's in their area only.

Cristina: Yeah. I wonder how long would pass by when you're like, this isn't normal.

Jack: Yeah. Like this is. I mean obviously the power goes out and you're like, well, something's happening at the power plant for day one.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They like three, you start kind of like, s***'s weird. And you've already seen. Some people are already acting out just cuz they don't know.

Cristina: But there's some people who do know.

Jack: Some people do know. And we were assuming like reality. Right. Totally real. Most people don't know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And at the beginning, day one, everybody's fine. Some people are noy. They're outside. There's more people outside. There's nothing to do inside right now. There's more people outside and they're just, you know, being stupid. Some people fight each other, whatever, just because. Nothing better doing. We're all out here at the same time. Day two, there's some people questioning. It's like, what the f*** is going on? Shouldn't this be up by now? Day three is like there was no storm. You're trying to figure out what the f***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And my phone is dead too. I didn't even use my phone. Why isn't that working?

Cristina: And so if someone did tell them, they probably don't trust that information right away.

Jack: Exactly. But day three to day four, you have people who are now starting to get desperate because they, they're having withdrawal symptoms from the Internet. There's a lot of people who would be having withdrawals from the Internet. A lot of people stressing out. Yeah, they're gonna be outside freaking. Not just Internet withdrawal, but TV withdrawal, video game withdrawal. Yeah, A lot of people who need electricity. They need electricity. Are gonna be outside kind of freaking out. You don't even need to know that. It's not coming back yet. Or ever. You don't know. You're still. It'll come back eventually, but some people are just gonna be starting to go off the rails no matter what.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They don't even know. They're just like, no. F***, this sucks. It's crazy s***. Fights are gonna get more intense every day eventually. Well, there's no cars. Cars that require electricity are just not gonna work anymore.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I don't know why the power stopped, but those cars are not moving, so what the f***?

Cristina: So then what do they do? Do they starve to death? I guess not.

Jack: No. Because people are gonna. That's when the violence starts.

Cristina: Oh, for the food.

Jack: Yeah. Because food isn't arriving back at the supermarkets. There's no truck delivering anything.

Jack: That truck is also just stationary somewhere.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So now people already bought all they could. They, you know, they adapted. For the first few. Couple of days, people shopped at the supermarket, but now the supermarkets run dry.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No new deliveries.

Cristina: And people who didn't do food shopping because they thought this was just normal, probably ate like normal.

Jack: Yes. And they're starting to get desperate.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Before long, a weekend. Oh. That's when s*** starts hitting the fan. M************ start going outside and just like. Well, we gotta f******. We gotta survive. We haven't heard anything from the government because we can't.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We haven't heard anything from anybody. Is f****** rumors out here. The power's never coming back. What's coming back tomorrow. And we've heard it's coming back tomorrow. Every f****** day. We heard it's never coming back. Every f****** day. And people are out there just robbing m************ already. What am I gonna do? I'm just gonna sit here and starve to death? Somebody has food. That supermarket had food when it began. Somebody has food.

Cristina: So you just go robbing every place.

Jack: You can start getting hostile. Survival.

Cristina: Yeah. But you go into every house or something. But then you end up getting hurt probably too. Not you.

Jack: Desperation will send somebody mad. When you start running out of food and start to get hungry, you stop giving a f***.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: You stop giving a f***, and people will start killing each other. It's gonna happen pretty quickly. Under two weeks. Under two weeks without electricity in any form. Everything is destabilized.

Cristina: Whoa. What?

Jack: Yeah, I think under two weeks.

Cristina: How many people you think are gonna die at that time?

Jack: Holy f***. A lot.

Cristina: A lot?

Jack: A lot. In the millions, easily.

Cristina: From just murder or suicide?

Jack: Both.

Cristina: Both. Okay. In the millions.

Jack: In the millions. And I'M not talking like 1 million people two weeks in. No, I'm talking like. Like, what are the Japanese gonna do? What is the f****** Chinese gonna do with no electricity? Oh, bro, there's so many people there, they're just gonna murder each other. Us, oh, we're so spoiled. We need electricity. The west, all the Western countries. Holy f***.

Cristina: How long do you think it takes for someone to eat people?

Jack: When you stop finding food, that's gonna. Cannibalism is real. Within a month. Within a month.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You ran out of food. You stopped keeping track of when was the last time you ate. And you're just thinking you're gonna starve every day.

Cristina: Yeah. You gotta find a house with a garden.

Jack: Yeah. Growing your own food is the only option, but then you totally risk. At risk.

Cristina: At risk.

Jack: Yeah, you're at risk. You can't let anybody know you're growing food.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Anybody enters your yard, you gotta kill them. You can't have them leave and talk about your garden.

Cristina: You kill them and eat them.

Jack: Yeah. You got food. Anybody goes into your garden, Food. Immediately.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You cannot have anybody tell anyone else that you have a garden that you're growing food in.

Cristina: How do you get away with that? I don't know.

Jack: The best option would be a rooftop garden on the highest building so nobody sees you from any other building.

Cristina: Yeah. So you have to already be on.

Jack: A building, you have to already live in a building. And you already have to have the top garden set up to grow plants. And then you could do that effectively.

Cristina: Do you have to live up there too?

Jack: You have to live up there. You could have the last floor saved for yourself. You had no reason to go down because you have food up there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And assuming you can set up a cauldron pretty easily, you could collect water as well. Ooh, rainwater.

Cristina: Rainwater. Yes. Is rainwater also the thing that turns people into werewolves? Is that one of the things I don't remember.

Jack: I have an idea.

Cristina: So we gotta be careful, but I.

Jack: Know a month in, a month in. Cannibal. Cannibalism is real.

Cristina: That is so crazy fast. It's not fast, but it's gonna feel like forever. Yeah, I guess, if you're starving, man.

Jack: Isn't that crazy? We have no other chains of delivering food.

Cristina: No other chain.

Jack: We've turned everything into something that relies on electricity. Yeah, all of it. Everything shows up in trucks. They have a computer that allows that truck to run everything.

Cristina: Every vehicle?

Jack: Every vehicle.

Cristina: We have carts. We can use that.

Jack: Carts?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: Like the shopping carts.

Jack: What are we gonna do? Cross the country in a shopping cart?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's crazy.

Cristina: Tile all the carts together, I guess. I don't know.

Jack: And who's pulling in how?

Cristina: I don't know. I'm assuming a group of people are going to rob some place that has all this food and stuff.

Jack: I'm so confused.

Cristina: Like, where did the shopping. The stores get their products from?

Jack: Okay. Right. But we get. What are we gonna do with it? We just have shopping carts. We're not delivering it anywhere. We're just hoarding the food. People are eating each other no matter what. See Apocalypse. Nobody's f****** going out generously giving out the food that they've taken. No, that's it.

Cristina: That's why it's a group of people doing it, so that they can keep it for themselves.

Jack: Yeah. So there's no food delivery, no supply chain anymore. Supply chain is gone.

Cristina: Eventually there would be one, I would guess, if it's like the Walking Dead, where eventually a city happened.

Jack: I mean, maybe, but we have to rely on people being honest and, you know, wanting to f****** work together. To work together and, like, give some of their stuff to somebody else. In the middle of a nightmare scenario.

Cristina: Yeah. I mean, in the beginning, it's a nightmare, but once there's not that much people left, you kind of want to be with other people.

Jack: Yeah. You find yourself sort of obligated.

Cristina: Yeah. I think you'd probably give it up, your food to share with someone else just to have the company of someone else.

Jack: Yeah. So fascinating. I don't know, man. That's kind of crazy, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You don't even need zombies.

Cristina: Just.

Jack: Just lack of power.

Cristina: Yeah. Whatever happened in the road always wants.

Jack: No, you don't need. That's so excessive. You don't need that much to happen.

Cristina: No, you don't need that much.

Jack: You just remove electricity. That's how dependent we are on just electricity. We're not even talking computers. Like, we're dumb.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which one of us can, like, create something just, like, really practical, not artistic, like, really advance our living conditions? That's actually accented in the Walking Dead with that old lady who has the book of things everybody should probably already know how to do?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But they don't. And so she's smart as f****** having it.

Cristina: That is smart. Yeah.

Jack: Which one of us can build a functional windmill?

Cristina: Get a book for that. No. I feel like it's still gonna be complicated. I don't know.

Jack: Where have you ever seen a book for windmills? How to Build one not what it is. Not an encyclopedia.

Cristina: A book on windmills, I think.

Jack: Like how to build a windmill. Yeah, yeah. That kind of is important.

Cristina: Yeah. Man. That book doesn't exist, does it?

Jack: No. I'm sure somebody will make it. But what are the odds we'll ever see that person in this scenario? Like, we got to be so fortunate for that person to be trying to barter around us.

Cristina: Yeah. Windmill. There must be something easier to make than a windmill. Man. But that's a good idea. If it's like the one in the grand tour. Not the grand tour. The other show with the guy. The guy from the Great Escape. The two guys that made. It's like a windmill. No, it was a watermill. That's what it was.

Jack: Yeah, it was a watermill.

Cristina: Watermill. I wonder if that's easier to make. Probably you still need that water. Like you need that water. But where are you going to find that water?

Jack: But. Well, do you just find a river or something?

Cristina: Yeah, but you gotta live by there. And that's not safe.

Jack: If it's a river. Why wouldn't that be safe?

Cristina: Because you're out in the open. I don't know if someone's coming around the water. But if other people see it, I.

Jack: Mean, it's a river. Are they taking over the whole river?

Cristina: They are seeing. No, they see the windmill from far away. They want to.

Jack: They'll probably get rid of you anywhere you are. You have to. But I see what you mean. Like, it's really unnatural.

Cristina: Yeah. It will be easily spotted.

Jack: Yeah. So you have to make it in the middle of nowhere by a river.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like somewhere nobody would venture if that.

Cristina: Was easy to do.

Jack: Yeah. And the best option would be at a high altitude. So you get the water coming down. Then that pushes the watermill.

Cristina: Man. But I don't think it's possible because what they were using, though was like bamboo, and that's kind of tough to use. That's a nice material. Like, that's not natural in any.

Jack: Or you can find yourself an existing watermill by river and then start structuring things based on the watermill. So you. You gotta assume electricity isn't gonna happen. So the watermill is a giant gear, and you have to make everything mechanical and dependent on the giant gear.

Cristina: Yes, but what kind of things can you make?

Jack: For example, if you need to crush things, the watermill should be connected to a machine that in the turn of the watermill, something comes up and down, crushing something. So now you have just something attached to the other thing that sort of propels the motion of crushing.

Cristina: But would that be loud? Because you don't want the whole attention.

Jack: In the middle of nowhere.

Cristina: Okay. You're in the middle of nowhere, so it doesn't matter.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or you're at an existing watermill, which is already. The water is pretty loud.

Cristina: Yeah. That's an interesting idea. Yeah.

Jack: You just build things off of the watermill, making sure never to obstruct the watermill because you need its force. But it could mechanically make some things work.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You just have to be very mechanically minded because electricity is no longer a thing that'll function.

Cristina: It's like a lot of people just find those houses that have a bunch of sun. What is that called? The sun?

Jack: Solar panels.

Cristina: Solar panels. The houses that have a bunch of solar panels on their roofs. Because that would help, wouldn't it? Or would their house just stop working because no electricity? No electricity. I don't know.

Jack: I'm assuming in this world nothing electrical works.

Cristina: Even solar. Are solar panels electrical? It's not a lot, though. It is.

Jack: They generate electricity from the sun though.

Cristina: Yeah, but that's not working either.

Jack: Yeah. I don't know why, but no electricity works.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah. So this is a water powered world.

Jack: Yeah. Because back at the beginning, some dude is like, the numbers told him electricity.

Cristina: Is done, but even from the sun, that's just crazy. Okay. But okay, yeah.

Jack: Something about our atmosphere, whatever, is not allowing the conversion of heat to electricity anymore.

Cristina: Yeah. So then the sun. Okay. So then the water. Then we just use water. All right. And then, I don't know, we could use heat.

Jack: Definitely heat. Now, for example, a steam powered ship of some sort. We can still have boats functioning. We can have steam powered cars.

Cristina: Steam powered cars?

Jack: Yeah. We would move into a steampunk kind of society. In order to calm things down, you.

Cristina: Have to be able to make steam powered stuff.

Jack: Some like, people will be out there.

Cristina: If you live on the river though, you can at least depend on fishing maybe.

Jack: Yes. You'll have food and water.

Cristina: Yeah. And if you know how to make traps, you can have like ducks.

Jack: I don't know animals, they hang out by the river. Like deer and crap like that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's food.

Cristina: There is food there.

Jack: You also have to know how to hunt, though.

Cristina: Yes. Not just the traps.

Jack: Hunting as well.

Cristina: Like in the forest?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: The game.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Learning how to get your own food.

Cristina: That's cool. Rabbits are gonna be hard. Deer's gonna be hard.

Jack: Rabbits are pretty easy. If you have cages and crap.

Cristina: Yeah. I feel like fishing is the first.

Jack: Way to go and probably the healthiest too.

Cristina: Mmm. Yes. And if you can grow your own plants, of course.

Jack: And also, all things considered, fishing is one of the easiest ways to go too. If you have a very powerful river, build a sort of net that allows the water through but catches the fish.

Cristina: Yes, that's nice.

Jack: Oh, yeah.

Cristina: Catching fish and eating berries, well, you gotta be careful with that, I guess.

Jack: Also because you're in by water already, the soil will naturally be wet. Closer to the river, if you can find seeds, you can plant things that will start growing that you can eat.

Cristina: Yeah, but when you're really, when you're starving and you just find the place, what are you eating at the beginning?

Jack: Fish for sure. You can make a net out of f****** anything.

Cristina: Yeah, because I'm thinking plants would be easy, but at the same time it wouldn't because you don't know what's poisonous or not. It all looks the same.

Jack: You want to find a. You want to find and clear out a patch by the watermill of plants. And then you're going to plant there the seeds for your new plants. And you're going to try to cover the watermill with foliage by planting a bunch of s*** around it to obscure it more and more. But also you're going to be eating the things you planted. Double winners.

Cristina: But where were they getting the seeds from?

Jack: Well, you already found the watermelon. You just got to remember where it is, which is just follow the river and you'll get there. Make trips to town or whatever, to the nearest place.

Cristina: You don't even have to have good fruits. It could be spoiled fruits if for some reason no one ate any fruits or it's just trash or something like leftover. There should be seeds in them.

Jack: Yeah. Go to. Go to places where you would normally buy seeds and steal them. Most people aren't gonna think about that.

Cristina: Yes, Home Depot.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. People aren't thinking about that s***. They're like, where's the food? And it's like, why don't you plant own food?

Cristina: Yeah, you can find a bunch of helpful stuff there.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: In places like that. Not just seeds, but like a Home.

Jack: Depot is a pretty solid place to close yourself into. And you put all the crap on the roof to grow plants and s***.

Cristina: They also have their own area of plants that you could have. You can take out what you can't eat and just put the seeds in those pots.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Or they actually have pots and dirt. So you could make it yourself.

Jack: Yeah, but you also want to have water.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And you're gonna die in Home Depot. Oh, and there's no food either. Until the plants provide.

Cristina: You're gonna be eating the garbage that they sell for short.

Jack: They don't have enough.

Cristina: They don't have enough.

Jack: Home Depot doesn't have enough garbage for sale. Oh, okay, so you kind of f*****. Yeah, you do need. But definitely into nature. That's number one. People who are like, I'm gonna go to a hospital. You're gonna die.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I'm gonna go to a police station.

Cristina: Medical stuff you have at home.

Jack: Well, what you could do is if you really think the s***'s hitting the fan, go and buy a f*** ton of medical supplies in bulk before anything is looted. And then you also go and you buy a s*** ton of candy bars right off the bat. If you really think s***'s about to hit the fan. Stock up on anything that has a. Like, takes long to expire, is really light, is really small, that you can throw into a bag in giant amounts. Candy bars and s***. Like Twinkies. Energy. But you can't eat s*** else when you can't eat s*** else. A Twinkie will make the difference.

Cristina: Twinkies.

Jack: Twinkie. It's fat.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So much fat and sugar. Energy. Ah. So wired that you can it sustain. It'll sustain you for a while. You don't want to eat a Twinkie and have normal food throughout the day at all. You want any food after a Twinkie.

Cristina: That should be your meal.

Jack: That's your meal. Well, if you're starving. Twinkie. Yeah, that'll do a lot. Mad sugar, mad fat.

Cristina: Like nuts are helpful though.

Jack: Yes. You have nuts, you have candy bars, you have granola bars. Anything light that you can throw into a single backpack is your food.

Cristina: And the problem though, with water is how to get enough water. Like if you have a bunch of water, it could be too heavy. Like, how much can you tell?

Jack: You're not taking water. No, you're going to the water.

Cristina: You're going to the water. Okay, but if your first stop is Home Depot, then what?

Jack: You are not stopping at Home Depot in this case, you just bought a bunch of candy bars. Medical supplies that you're gonna do. All the candy bars and other food goes in the book bag.

Cristina: Yes. And the medical supplies. Seeds too, then.

Jack: Yeah. You could go buy seeds. Yeah, that's why you go to Home Depot. Yeah, 100%. You buy a crap ton of seeds. But that's easy because you can have a bag of seeds. It's like a thousand seeds, and it's smaller than a candy bar when their seeds expires.

Cristina: I want to check that out, but doesn't matter.

Jack: You're not gonna be on a crazy mission.

Cristina: Not a crazy mission.

Jack: Yeah. It's not gonna take you 50 years to get to the river. Yeah, he's gonna get to the river.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And, like, assuming you didn't even find the watermill, at least you're by the river.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now you have moving water. Clean by default.

Cristina: And hopefully fish in there.

Jack: And hopefully fish is the easiest part is the fish, which you can also get, like, a net, a makeshift net at Home Depot.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, you can get that. There's so many random stuff you can get at Home Depot. Home Depot should be something. You should get stuff at a book.

Jack: Bag, pack it with junk food.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That expires in a very long time. Go to Home Depot, and you get some makeshift net equivalent that would let water through, but not fish.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And you go get medical supplies because you're gonna be wandering into the woods or. Yeah. You're looking for a river.

Cristina: How do you clean the water, though? Okay. Like, if you need to drink water now you have no water. How do you drink water from the river? Like, how do you clean it out?

Jack: River water is clean. It's moving.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Still water is what you don't want to drink.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah.

Jack: Still water has bacteria. River water is filtered by where it's.

Cristina: Moving through, so you can just drink that.

Jack: It's not the cleanest in the universe, but, yeah, you can drink the water.

Cristina: You can make it cleaner, though.

Jack: You could boil it if you wanted to. If you wanted to be safer.

Cristina: Yeah, I would do that.

Jack: Which you could still put in your book bag because it won't take any space. You could put a bunch of candy bars in it and around it, and it won't. It's like. Yeah, pot isn't even there.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess.

Jack: So fill it up with junk food, a pot, a makeshift net, which you could have probably also squeezed into that book bag without taking up too much room.

Cristina: Not a torch.

Jack: Lighter.

Cristina: A lighter. That's probably a lighter.

Jack: And lighter fluid.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: A magnifying glass so that you don't have to use your lighter when you have the sun to power fire starting.

Cristina: That's your new technology.

Jack: A bunch. Yeah. And a bunch of seeds. So many seeds.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You need all the seeds and then.

Cristina: To the wheel technology. Do you think that's gonna be a thing you were talking about? Wheel powered city.

Jack: Not wheel powered city, but using the. The power of the moving a watermill to sort of replicate a gear and then connecting things to that. Yeah, you can make things with that. Yeah, for sure.

Cristina: I wonder, like, what a fan. That's nice. But no, yeah, definitely.

Jack: You can cool your home. You can use the motion of it and connect it to a fan inside that's made entirely of, I guess, wood and crap like that. And you just need the one end of it to be connected enough so that it spins. And if you connect wide end to short end, the fan will spin like crazy, thus keeping you cool in the middle of crazy hot day.

Cristina: Yeah. I wonder if that could help you with a hose. If you had to water your plants and you're too lazy and you.

Jack: Yes. But also the point of having the plants planted along the edge of the.

Cristina: Oh, you don't have to water them.

Jack: You don't have to water them because.

Cristina: They'Re always solid, moist.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Oh, that's nice. Yeah. Forgot about that. That's awesome.

Jack: That kind of saves a lot.

Cristina: Yeah. Nice.

Jack: You need things like aloe vera, medical.

Cristina: Yeah. It's probably a lot of poisonous plants around you.

Jack: You got to kill everything that's there by default. And plant berries and cherries, strawberries. You want watermelons, you want avocados. You want just everything. Plant everything. Anything you could get.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Go to the supermarket and buy a bunch of s***.

Cristina: Yes. And eat it. No.

Jack: Well, yeah, actually, all things. All jokes aside, mission should be done by, like three people. Don't go to the woods alone. You and two homies. Because you need to be able to carry the stuff too.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the three book bags, one of them contains a bunch of different fruits that have seeds.

Cristina: Mm. From the shopping mark. Whatever.

Jack: Then that same bag could contain all the seeds for other things that you. As many different seeds as you can get at like Home Depot or some s***.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The net is. Well, to catch fish. Like the food bag for creating new food. Then you have the survival bag, which is what. Where all the fast food, the. All the junk food is the junk food and the pan and just all that kind of stuff.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And you're gonna have a person who's gonna have a bunch of different tools in there. It's gonna have a lighter, is gonna have a machete. It's gonna have scissors. I guess I could have the net in there. It could have a knife. You could have just tools. Tools. You got to get creative.

Cristina: Just random tools. You'll figure it out.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. You'll figure it out through necessity.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then in this exchange, you can. Between the three of you, you can also take shifts when you're living there, just in case something's coming.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Somebody's always awake. Three shifts, eight hours each shift.

Cristina: Yeah. I wonder, how would you practice hunt? How would you practice hunting in that type of situation?

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: Like when you start wanting more than.

Jack: Just fish, you can start building traps.

Cristina: But for deers, like, bigger meat. Oh.

Jack: That's when you got to learn how to start hunting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which. That's another thing you got to steal. Take some survival books in one of those book bags. Oh, I know how to make basic things like a bow, Even if it'll take a lot of trial and error.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You just take it with you and figure it out. Hunting traps and crap like that. Any kind of books like that, you go and you rob Barnes and Nobles.

Cristina: Yes. So one friends doing Barnes and Noble. One is Home Depot. One is the shopping place.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Yeah. That's interesting.

Jack: And then you guys meet up when you take off, and then however long it takes you, you already have enough. And I'm assuming you could take two, three bottles of water and have it slowly in case it takes you several days to get to the water.

Cristina: And you have a gun with three bullets.

Jack: Yes, Stealing guns matters. You got to find a place to get guns. That's a hard one, because you got to get into a police station. You got to do a couple of heists.

Cristina: You have to heist.

Jack: Yeah. You got to get into a police station or kill a cop.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And take his gun?

Cristina: Why can't you just own a gun.

Jack: If you don't already own a gun? I know, but you got to get a gun.

Cristina: You got to get a gun. But I guess the gun isn't for shooting animals, though. The gun is just in case someone does find self defense.

Jack: Yeah, because you can't eat any animal you shoot.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, you can't shoot a deer. I mean, eat a deer after it's been shot.

Jack: Just shoot it in the head, and then you got to chop his head off before the lead gets anywhere else.

Cristina: Oh, okay. That sucks. But yeah, you shouldn't do that anyway, even if it wasn't a problem, because that's more.

Jack: That should be last resort self defense. Yeah. You should make it to the point that eventually could just rest that gun down and use a bow to kill a m*********** if need be.

Cristina: That's gotta be crazy training.

Jack: That's also why machete matters. Like, that's also a close combat weapon.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So you can deal with people that way, too. Yeah. Oh, that sucks. I feel like the gun is easier to do. Deal with someone.

Jack: Yeah. But you're only gonna have so much ammo.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: Machete becomes problematic pretty quickly.

Cristina: Yeah. Hope you never get to that point, because that sucks. I don't know.

Jack: But who knows? Yeah. Hopefully no. So you plant a bunch of crap around your windmill, your water mill, and you connect anything that needs to be mechanically powered, and you make a city.

Cristina: No.

Jack: How do you make a city?

Cristina: I don't know. A tent city.

Jack: There's three people.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: Just live in the house.

Cristina: There's a house by it.

Jack: There's a water mill. There's probably a house.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just a water mill out in the middle of nowhere.

Cristina: Maybe. I don't know where watermills are hanging out at farms.

Jack: Could be.

Cristina: Maybe that'd be even more interesting. You have more.

Jack: You don't want. You do not want to be on a farm.

Cristina: Aw.

Jack: Because a farm is a place people know about. And it's like anybody who's intelligent enough is probably good enough at farming.

Cristina: Which means there's a water mill in the middle of nowhere. But buy a house in the middle of nowhere.

Jack: Yeah. Because usually there's, like, a purpose being served by that. Maybe the water mill is powering that house. That's a private property.

Cristina: Okay. I guess that's better than the farm. Lame.

Jack: Yeah. Like more people gonna know about a farm. Because a farm probably produces for many.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Than a watermelon. That's probably somebody just kind of secluding themselves to not be known.

Cristina: Mmm. Yes.

Jack: But we're assuming you don't even find a watermill. Right. So you don't even find a watermelon. You get to the river.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You can start building there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Axes and machetes.

Cristina: But you don't need a water mill to survive. Yeah. You don't need a watermill.

Jack: No. Because the river will feed the water to the plants. The sunlight will feed the light to the plants. The plants will grow over time. You already have a bunch of junk food that will hold you over for a while. You've made it to the clean water that you can drink. And if you're paranoid about it, you can boil it and drink that. You're good to live now.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And you'll have fish for more food now that you've made it to the river.

Cristina: But you're probably living in tents, though.

Jack: Yes. For the meantime.

Cristina: For the meantime. You think they'll eventually be able to make houses or like a makeshift house.

Jack: Yeah. I don't know how complicated of a house.

Cristina: Like a box.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Some basic s***.

Cristina: Yeah. To protect from rain, I guess. I mean the tent should be good, but I don't know if you want more space than that.

Jack: The best plan would be right to try to find a fully mechanical car or something steam powered or something coal powered or heat powered or something like that. That a car that could function without electricity, which was gonna be a hunt. That's a mission and a half. But if you could find something powerful enough to then use it to get a Humvee.

Cristina: A what?

Jack: Like a Winnebago. A mobile home.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: A trailer of some sort.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That you could then drag to where your water is there and then you live in there. Yeah.

Cristina: Oh, that's way better. More roomy.

Jack: But now you got another heist after you've established yourself, which is find the vehicle, find the trailer. And the vehicle needs to be powerful enough to move the trailer. We're talking steam isn't going to cut it.

Cristina: So then what can I cut it?

Jack: I don't know. Coal can power an entire train and a ship.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: So coal is a great. Like that's a lot of heat and that heat.

Cristina: And there's coal powered cars like that Sounds like an impossible mission to.

Jack: I have no clue. That's a really good question. Let's check it out. Okay. So no coal power. No steam powered cars. Steam would be inefficient and we can't find coal powered cars. But that being said, diesel mechanical vehicles would be more efficient and powerful than electric vehicles anyways. So if you can find a fully mechanical diesel vehicle and then use that to pull. Which I guess it would have to be able to pull the trailer. You can get your trailer to your river and have a already built home.

Cristina: Finding a car, I don't know, it feels like a tricky. This is a very tricky.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Mission.

Jack: The trailer is the easy part.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You're probably gonna have to like get the trailer off of somebody because there's probably gonna be people living in a trailer park.

Cristina: No. It's not easy.

Jack: But it's easy finding it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Finding the car is where the problem is.

Cristina: Yes. Finding the car will be the biggest problem.

Jack: Yes. But if you can find a fully mechanical diesel powered car, then you could just steal a trailer home with the car though.

Cristina: I feel like you'd still have to probably steal that from someone. Well. Because someone's gonna be driving that car.

Jack: Yeah. But it's like one person. The problem is finding the car.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's the hard part. Killing a person with the gun you already have is not the hard part. It's the finding a fully mechanical, diesel powered vehicle.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Not easy. It's easier to just shoot somebody and take it. The other thing would be the trailer. The trailer is easy to locate, and in the middle of the night, you can just take.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess. In the middle night. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Pretty simple, I guess. Yeah.

Jack: Scope it out and watch until there's nobody there. Just take it.

Cristina: Oh, wait, no. Yeah, you just connect it. Yeah. I'm thinking you have to drive that away too. But no, you're not driving it away. You're just connecting it to your car.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: That's. That's the plan, I guess.

Jack: Pretty simple.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then you could get that to.

Cristina: Your river and live in that.

Jack: And live in that. Now you have a roof that'll protect you from the rain.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: A river that'll give you water and fish.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You'll also have plants planted in the area which will grow your food over time.

Cristina: Yeah, that's pretty perfect. I don't know what else you're missing.

Jack: That's kind of all the needs you have.

Cristina: Yeah. You got people. So you're not dying of Bordeaux.

Jack: Yep. There's three of you.

Cristina: But you can't use the car after you have it there, even if it has gas. That's probably risky.

Jack: You need that for total emergencies anyways. You don't want to burn through that fuel.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The best option would be if you're desperately hungry. Not hungry, but like, you want something special. Flip side, driving to bookstores. But then again, you could go to bookstores. Walking.

Cristina: Yeah. That's less suspicious. Like, you don't have to worry about people popping out of nowhere trying to take it. Trying to take. Exactly.

Jack: And it makes less noise so you don't attract anything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Take a bicycle.

Cristina: Take a bike.

Jack: That's another thing you got to do. You got to make sure to steal bikes.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Mountain bikes. So that you can drive them through your woods easily.

Cristina: I guess the car could have the bike. Says it could be the storage for the bikes.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: For the rain and stuff like. That's. That's a good idea.

Jack: Yeah. You could definitely build sort of thing. And actually that's probably how you're gonna get to the river in the first place. You probably began with bikes because that's easy to get.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. So easy.

Jack: Three mountain bikes, three book bags. That means you don't have to waste your energy walking anywhere, and you get there sooner.

Cristina: Mm. But how do you all separate and then meet up at the same place? Or you got there first, then separated to get the things and then came back because you already knew how to get there.

Jack: Yeah. You already know where you're headed. There's a meeting plan, then you take off from there.

Cristina: Yeah, that's a great plan. Yes.

Jack: Survival, man.

Cristina: Except for the murder.

Jack: S*** happens. It's the apocalypse.

Cristina: I know.

Jack: Not gonna f****** do anything.

Cristina: It's just a tough, tough thing to do.

Jack: Take a life.

Cristina: Yeah. It's harder than if it was just zombie life.

Jack: You got to kill people still when it's zombies.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Probably more so because there's a threat other than just people. So people are gonna be way more hostile.

Cristina: Yes. That still makes it easier, though, to kill those people than the people in this apocalypse. That may not always be hostile, but you're like, oh, I need a thing.

Jack: No, you're not gonna kill them if they're not hostile. You're not just gonna off somebody.

Cristina: Okay. So.

Jack: But in the scenario of getting the car, you're like, well, it's gonna be hard. Well, that means you're putting up a fight.

Cristina: Okay. Yes.

Jack: You're not. Just like, I'm gonna pop your. If you just get out and walk away, I'm gonna leave with your car.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I'm just gonna, like, off you for zero reason. I was assuming there was a problem.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Just, like, get out. Bah. Too bad for you.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, no, that's not how it works.

Cristina: Just in case. No, you're in a car.

Jack: What are you gonna do? I'll run you.

Cristina: No, I guess not. What if he has a second car?

Jack: Then you really got to kill him because he has all the things you need.

Cristina: Oh, you don't need two cars, but.

Jack: You can't have two cars.

Cristina: That's true. You could have two cars.

Jack: Yeah, it's pretty good. Because that means you can steal a second trailer from the same place and have even more room.

Cristina: Yes. You need a lot of. We don't. Do you need that much room or.

Jack: Just go to random car parks? Just go to random car parks. Hit one each time. Not car park. Trailer parks.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: One from here. Take it. I hit a different one. So they don't expect you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Slowly. You just keep taking a couple of trailers. 4, 5, 6. And you could turn them into different things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: When is your kitchen? One is your living room, and they.

Cristina: All might have supplies in them. That's great.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: As long as no one's staying in them. They could be abandoned ones out there and you could just take those easily.

Jack: And you can also have a d***. Instead of generator creates electricity. So it wouldn't work. Because I'd be like, you have a gas powered generator, but no electricity works. So no you magical. But you can have a food storage trailer where you. Anytime you make a run for food that isn't what you're growing and fishing and hunting, you could bring it there. Bags of chips from looted stores and junk food of all kinds.

Cristina: And just beans. Because it's always beans. Why is it always.

Jack: Because it's in cans. It's takes a long time to expire, I guess. You can have anything in cans that lasts a long time. Get a f*** ton of cans.

Cristina: It's always. That's such a lame meal to just be eating beans. I don't know.

Jack: Because you can have dried beans for a long time. Might as well steal a bunch of those. But you could do that. Like a bunch of dried food that doesn't go bad. And then you can like cook it.

Cristina: If crackers don't go bad, get some crackers. Crackers do go bad. For bread and beans.

Jack: Bread will not. The bread ceases to exist.

Cristina: Yeah. They get old real quick.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Man. Why doesn't crackers last?

Jack: Because crackers are bread. Crackers are bread.

Cristina: I know, but can of bean is so boring.

Jack: But it's food you're not. Who cares about why are you worried about boring or not? It's the apocalypse.

Cristina: Once you have everything, you can get bored.

Jack: Well, it's not just beans. At that point. You just fished.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So you can throw a fish with beans.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Rice also lasts an unfathomably long amount of time. You can have fish, rice and beans. Really leaning on those beans hard. You don't have to.

Cristina: Yeah. How are you gonna get the rice? Isn't rice usually in big.

Jack: You could get small ones. And you have a f****** car.

Cristina: You don't want to use the car too much.

Jack: You also have a bike.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. The bike.

Jack: And you could hang things. If you could find a three wheel bike. You're set.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because it won't tip. You could put bags and crap on it.

Cristina: Oh, okay then. Yes. We need some rice.

Jack: Powerful runs.

Cristina: We have some rice and beans with fish on the side.

Jack: Yeah, you can have.

Cristina: That's life.

Jack: Yeah. You can have that as well as pasta. Pasta lasts a really long time.

Cristina: Oh, okay. That feels like it'll be hard to cook though. With fire. Is It. I don't know.

Jack: That's the way to cook it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You boil water, which you're by a river, so you have infinite amounts of that.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: And then you boil the water. When the water is boiling, you pour it on the pasta and let the pasta get soft.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You hunt the animal so you have the meat. Two things you could get to make your life better after you're nice and stable is get a pasta maker.

Cristina: Pasta maker?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Machine that makes pasta. You just turn the thing and mix pasta. So you can have.

Cristina: But that's not from electricity.

Jack: Well, you can have. No, assuming that you. You can manually turn the thing.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So you can have a pasta maker and the other thing would be. Crap. Was I thinking a pasta maker And a meat grinder.

Cristina: Meat grinder.

Jack: You get a deer, you throw the deer in there, it grinds the meat for you. Now you can make meatballs, you can make burgers.

Cristina: You can do that with any of the meat. That's awesome.

Jack: Spice up your meat life.

Cristina: Have some rabbit burgers or fish burgers.

Jack: Rat burgers.

Cristina: Rap. Oh, you said rat.

Jack: Yeah, but they're in nature. What do you mean ill?

Cristina: Because you're eating all this other stuff. Why would you go to the rats? That's like desperate.

Jack: You want different kinds of meats. Why is it desperate?

Cristina: Because you have fish, rabbits and deer.

Jack: You're just thinking from a citizen point of view.

Cristina: What? What do you mean?

Jack: You're thinking from a privileged position. There's nothing wrong with a rat that eats nothing but healthy.

Cristina: But if you're eating all that other meat, why would you need rat meat?

Jack: Why would you need any meat?

Cristina: Because you need meat.

Jack: Then why would rat meat be not acceptable? What's unacceptable about rat meat?

Cristina: I don't know. It's a rat. Yeah, you're thinking from a citizen's point of view.

Jack: It's a position of privilege. I don't wanna.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Can you use the rabbit is a f****** rat.

Cristina: It's big, though. I don't know.

Jack: You could find rats bigger than rabbits.

Cristina: Oh, can you really?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Are you sure it's fine to eat?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: What about raccoons?

Jack: You're cooking it. You're not biting into its raw.

Cristina: Oh, okay. But raccoons. Pretty big.

Jack: Yeah. You can raccoon. You could pretty much eat anything you're going to clean.

Cristina: I guess. I guess it's better than eating people. I guess so.

Jack: Yeah. Which you could still also do.

Cristina: But yes. That's super duper desperate. That's not the first thing you're gonna go on your menu of foods that you have.

Jack: No.

Cristina: You're gonna choose a rat over the person, I would hope.

Jack: Who cares if the person is dead and it's because you killed them? You're not gonna let them go to waste either.

Cristina: No, I can't. No. I feel like you might have abandoned them before you even thought of, hey, I could have taken them to eat.

Jack: Oh yeah. If somebody's around you and you kill them though.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Somebody's at camp and you killed them so that they don't go tell people about your camp. Now you just have meat.

Cristina: Yes. In that case, I guess you eat them.

Jack: Yeah. Normality is out the window.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I know why you're thinking from living in society point of view.

Cristina: Yeah. But it will feel a bit normal. It feels like you're camping.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So I don't know. And then you eat a human and then it doesn't feel like you're camping anymore.

Jack: Well, it feels like you're out there surviving. It doesn't feel necessarily normal.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But you sold a couple of trailers. You got your plants growing, you got some fish, you got water.

Cristina: You have so much. You don't need people.

Jack: It's pretty badass.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And you can make regular trips to get board games and card games and books. Entertainment is so important. You can get things to stay in shape. Steel workout things, dumbbells and crap like that. Jump rop open. Just things to stay fit. That also very distracting how you can steal things to.

Cristina: I mean you have trips to stores, right? Yeah.

Jack: You just make trips to stores on your three wheel bike thing.

Cristina: Like say you let one person out and the other two have to stay in camp. Or one person stays in camp while the other two leave. Like there has to be some type of rule. Someone needs to protect the camp while other people.

Jack: I think one person leaving doesn't probably only have one bike with three wheels or two. I guess two people and how do.

Cristina: They wait before one of them go goes check to see if there's something wrong or.

Jack: No, I think, I think two people go. I think two people go. One drives a three wheel bike, the other one drives a normal bike. Then they make runs and they can watch out for each other while so.

Cristina: They'Re at least around each other in the same area and they're looking for things.

Jack: And if something split up, that's how people die.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: You'd have one person like watching the bike outside.

Cristina: Yeah. So if something goes wrong that they could both escape. At the same time.

Jack: And so you get books you want to read and board games. Like Barnes and Nobles is a place to hit repeatedly. You want to steal as much s*** from Barnes and Nobles as possible. MAD Books, notebooks, board games, card games, toys.

Cristina: I don't know why, but there's a bunch of toys.

Jack: I mean, I guess if you're a person who plays a toys, but you can take a bunch of that s***. Sudoku books and puzzle books and just all this kind of s***. You can fill a book bag up with so many different kinds of books.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Put them on your bike.

Cristina: Mmm. Yes. And if anything goes wrong, though. Huh? That's why you have that gun.

Jack: I guess that's why you have the gun.

Cristina: Wonder who's more in danger. It has to be the two guys over. The one that's hanging out at the place that they're staying.

Jack: Yeah, that guy's probably fine.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If they haven't found you yet. To the point that now you're just gonna worrying about entertainment. Nobody's probably finding you.

Cristina: Yeah. But you still have to be careful. So I think they'll take turns. Right. Of who stays in the camp and who goes out. So you can stay running around and I mean, you'll have workout stuff too.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: But you'll have to.

Jack: And maybe over time, you could bring other people.

Cristina: Find survivalists who aren't dangerous.

Jack: Yeah. People who seem like they're cool. And you bring them over. When you find somebody alone and you can confirm they're alone and not bait, that's.

Cristina: That's a worry.

Jack: Then you bring them back and you're like, you can come live with us.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, we're consistently making runs. We're doing whatever. We're doing whatever. And you can come live with us.

Cristina: That sounds so tough. Yeah.

Jack: It's hard to trust people. Mm.

Cristina: Yes. Because even if they're alone, they find out where you're at, they just disappear. Who knows how many people are gonna come back.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: That's a little troubling.

Jack: That's a problem.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You could have a dummy second location. Bring them there, Bring them there, see what happens.

Cristina: Yes. Just have them living there. I mean, you gotta have to pretend to be living there too, though.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. You could have one person staying there.

Cristina: Yeah, that's a good idea. Yeah. Every time they pass you, they get to live in the town. I guess whatever you're playing, you're living.

Jack: Additionally, you can make the. If you continue to steal trailers over time, those could be the walls. Your village place.

Cristina: Yeah. Your Village.

Jack: You just put them back to back to back. Create a barrier.

Cristina: Yes. That is an awesome idea. Yes, yes, yes.

Jack: Flip side. What if you can somehow get trailer trucks? They don't have wheels on the. If you need trailer trucks. And the ability to remove the trailer and put it onto the ground because nobody, nothing can go under it. It's just a giant box, Steel box.

Cristina: How are you getting it?

Jack: I don't know. I'm saying if you had a way to do that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That would be the goal. Like, you could definitely build walls that are too high to climb and literally to the bottom. Because you could go under a Winnebago and come out the other side.

Cristina: But it's hard to imagine someone how. Like how that would work out. How it would work out of getting those trailer.

Jack: Yeah. In the middle of nowhere. I don't know how you'd remove them from the back of a truck so that it would be flat.

Cristina: Yeah. Like even if you found them, how. What's the next step?

Jack: I guess tip it off the truck. But how? What can you possibly find that could push it off?

Cristina: If it did, could you even pull it back?

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: Like to your location?

Jack: No, you'd bring the truck there. Oh, I see the problem. Yeah. There's no electricity. We can't.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: No, nevermind. There's no way.

Cristina: That's way too heavy.

Jack: The good thing about a trailer, a mobile, like a trailer home, is that it doesn't need electricity. You just connect it. The wheels are gonna move. Yeah, yeah, fair enough, Fair enough.

Cristina: But you should put something under it that's interesting. What if something sneaks under, like snakes? You don't want to worry about snakes. I guess so you should put something under it, I think.

Jack: Under what?

Cristina: The trailer trucks.

Jack: What do you mean worry about snakes?

Cristina: They could go under the trailer trucks and then attack you. I don't know.

Jack: How are they under the trailer truck? How are they gonna attack you?

Cristina: They're gonna sneak past your, I guess, your top, your trucks and attack you.

Jack: Why wouldn't they be able to do that anyways?

Cristina: Why wouldn't they? If you had something covering those spots where they could hide in. Because they're not in your home, whatever your area, the area you live in. I don't know why snakes are there. Snakes are there though.

Jack: There's probably. Snakes could probably just come out of the water. I don't understand what the problem is.

Cristina: To come out of the water. I don't know. It's just horrifying. If a snake Attacks you, I guess.

Jack: Like, I don't see.

Cristina: It's apocalypse work. Snakes are attacking.

Jack: Yeah. It's weird anyways, I guess. Yeah, that's what's gonna be happening there. People gonna. The woods or survival. I don't know how we got here. What led us to this?

Cristina: The electricity magically stopped working. Yes, all of it.

Jack: Because we don't know.

Cristina: We don't know.

Jack: But what led us to the electricity dying? Why was that important?

Cristina: It just was because. I don't know, the snakes were.

Jack: Oh, because we were talking about humanity being whack and reliant on all their technology.

Cristina: I totally forgot that. Yes.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're all f******. Yeah. We would immediately devolve.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Well, we got really far into how hardcore we would need to survive if electricity died. People go crazy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: D***.

Cristina: They would.

Jack: They would. That's mad real. That wasn't even, like, kidding. That's exactly what we would need to do if electricity died out.

Cristina: That's our plan and we're sharing it with everyone.

Jack: Yeah, it. Now everybody's gonna be at Rivers Party.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: So anyways, if you guys want to join our river party, make sure to do that. Sign up on some place where there'll be things to sign up on, I guess, and you can find other conversations about, I guess, apocalypses. There's a couple of episodes based on the different scenarios. I think there's one about the more probable apocalypses. There's another one about also building a civilization entirely based off of a potato.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So, yeah, there's a. There's a lot that could be done finding episodes related to this. So you go ahead and look for that and you can find all that stuff on the official website greatthoughts.info or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and anywhere you get your podcast.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok @justcombopod.

Jack: Yes. And also remember to subscribe, rate, and if you feel so inclined to review the show, that is always, always appreciated.

Cristina: Yes. And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth is the most important thing in the face of earth. So if you know somebody who would like to listen to this show and needs good survival advice for when the good government disconnects electricity, assuming we're all going to go chaotic and murder one another and they want to go and join our river party, they need to hear this episode.

Cristina: Yes. This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. If you do lose it. Then again, those awards are paid off anyways.

Cristina: They're paid off? Yeah.

Jack: Like the people who made the films put their films in the thing and then they bribe the guy and whoever got the best bribe is the one who gets the trophy. Or would have.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it's like you just pay a bunch of people off and then they say your movie was the greatest. And then people think your movies the greatest. Cuz they said the movie.

Cristina: And then more people want to work with you.

Jack: And people. Yeah, more people want to work with you. More people want to watch your movies. Yeah, because you paid somebody to say they're the greatest.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then somebody. You paid to give somebody an award for being the best actor in your movie. All of that. You paid for it. It doesn't necessarily need to be true.

Cristina: No.

Jack: But yeah, it's great. Sweet, fantastic. That's how it works. And then people didn't want Netflix to be part of that. I remember that argument.

Cristina: Because they're haters.

Jack: No, because Netflix doesn't pay anybody to do anything. It just submitted its thing.

Cristina: Cuz they're. Yeah, they're. They're the indie of movies.

Jack: Yeah. And they're s******* on all the other people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And winning. Winning. They're winning hard. Other places have to go put their movies on Netflix now. That's how bad it's getting. Do you want to make a movie and you didn't put it on Netflix? Good luck getting it seen.

Cristina: Does that mean there's not gonna be any awards? Because the whole deal was like, they can't come, they can't join because they don't put their stuff in movie theaters. But right now, what's being in movie theaters? So what's gonna be winning? Anything.

Jack: Netflix wins anyways.

Cristina: Yeah, it has to be. Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

August 07, 2021

Rambling 138: The Lore of JCP

August 07, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

What happen to the original hosts of the JCP? Why have there been so many clones? What is the one arm eye patch wearing clone doing right now? How many cockroach children does Jack have? And if Cristy’s backyard portal safe for tourism? The duo unpack the lore of The Just Conversation Podcast!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

Giving Listeners Cancer
Subhumans
Reptilians
Magic Cat People
Universe 2 Mars
Cockroach War
Quantum Computer
Time Machine
Portal
Clones
Ghosts
Zombie Island
Ish Hacking
Werewolves
Adrenochrome
Clinton Road
Creepy Pasta

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified when second episodes are released.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. So be sure to go find somebody, and as usual, thanks for listening. No, that's Michael. Michael. What is his f****** last name? It's my. I don't even know. It's Michael from Vsauce. And as always, thanks for listening. As always, for somebody to listen by endangering them.

Cristina: Yes, that's.

Jack: That's the moral of this show. I'll never tell you anything but endanger somebody and force them to listen to it.

Cristina: Because.

Jack: Because life.

Cristina: Why? What do you get out of it?

Jack: Listeners.

Cristina: Listeners. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. We definitely have something to gain.

Cristina: But they die immediately. No, they don't.

Jack: No, they don't.

Cristina: Cancer.

Jack: They die slowly.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They live long enough to tell other.

Cristina: People they can still continue listening to the show.

Jack: Yes. Until they do die a sure. Short, short, short death. Not. I guess, not a short death. A really long death, but a short life.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I don't know. Is this good? I don't know. It is.

Jack: It's not affecting us.

Cristina: Yeah, well, our listeners could have a very long life and we'd have.

Jack: Why is that our problem, whether they live long or not?

Cristina: It's not. It's just like we're losing listeners eventually when they. When they die. We would have.

Jack: They. It's a trade off. They. The one.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Let's say they tell five people, then we lose one. We made four listeners in the exchange. It's ever growing, so we have to.

Cristina: But why do we have to give them cancer, though?

Jack: Like, we're not giving them cancer. They're getting cancer. There's a difference. I'm not. Like, I'm gonna give you cancer. Like, it's just an unfortunate side effect of listening to the show.

Cristina: Okay, so it doesn't. It's not our fault.

Jack: It's not our fault whatsoever. Yes, it's our fault, but not our intention.

Cristina: But we need them to listen.

Jack: Yeah, we need them to listen because then they can get us more listeners. And as such goes the domino effect.

Cristina: But why do we have to force them to get more listeners?

Jack: We're not Forcing them to get more listeners. We're making them force other people to get more listeners. They have an option to let their children be in danger. I'm not like forcing them to do anything.

Cristina: I guess it's. It's so wrong.

Jack: What, that I'm threatening their families? Yeah, it's totally fine, man.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: How many of them have not listened? And how many children have I harmed? None. They always listen.

Cristina: They always.

Jack: They always listen.

Cristina: This plan always works.

Jack: Always works. 100%, 100% of the time. It's a flawless plan. It's never once planned.

Cristina: But now that you share that news, someone's going to be like, maybe he doesn't kill these people's children. So I'm just gonna.

Jack: Well, no one. That's not. Because everybody's done it. There's no reason for me to kill anybody's child.

Cristina: Yeah, but the person listening doesn't understand that they.

Jack: Why don't they understand? You're assuming our listeners are stupid now.

Cristina: No, just this one listener who's like, I'm just gonna see.

Jack: So they're gonna put their child in danger just to test the waters?

Cristina: Yes. They're the gambling type of person. They're addicted to gambling.

Jack: And they're like, this is the ultimate gamble. I gotta see if I' ma win this one.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. I bet there's people who gamble like that.

Cristina: Whoa. That's pretty risky. But I guess. Well then we'll find out if you mean it or not.

Jack: I do. I do mean it. I will do whatever to get listeners.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I will go the extra mile.

Cristina: Would you cure the cancer that they're getting?

Jack: I'll do almost anything for listeners.

Cristina: Cuz that's something we could work on, I guess.

Jack: I mean, we have the resources. We have nothing but subhuman power and scientists. We got the freemasons lab.

Cristina: So we got.

Jack: We. We literally have hyper technologically advanced reptilians in imprisoned. And we have cats with magic powers.

Cristina: Magic to cure the cancer.

Jack: We could literally cure the cancer with magic.

Cristina: Why don't we?

Jack: Because then they'd be less committed with the cancer they're all in. They're already. They've already got the cancer. They might as well continue listening. Continue listening and getting other people to listen, lest it be in vain.

Cristina: I guess.

Jack: So like in theory we could just like hey, cat people, tell us how to cure cancer and then we would. But like, it's not helping us to cure cancer. I'd be going particularly out of my way to a different planet.

Cristina: We have Them on a different planet. Mars. Yeah. Okay.

Jack: On Mars from Universe 2.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We haven't gone back there. I have no idea if that worked out, you know, over there. Yeah, that's done. Planet X destroyed that, right?

Cristina: Yeah, d***. Pretty sure. No, wait, no, we destroyed that.

Jack: We took their Mars.

Cristina: Yeah. We didn't destroy by taking, by stopping planet. I mean the planet X thing that was over here now over there.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we solved ours by taking theirs because we blew up our own Mars to stop the cockroach people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So kind of problematic over there. We're fine using our nifty technology to save our. We saved our solar system by destroying a different one.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And for sure we might have been the cause of what was gonna destroy our system in the first place, but we, we saved it and that's the important part.

Cristina: Did we have anything to do with that?

Jack: We destroyed. Well, I destroyed original Mars because. Ah, cockroaches.

Cristina: Yes, that happened.

Jack: Which is ironic because I ended up marrying one anyways.

Cristina: Yes, well, you're married now.

Jack: Okay, I've been married. You had that same reaction before.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yes, exactly the same way.

Cristina: I thought you were just dating. I don't know.

Jack: Was I just dating? No, I think I'm married to. I think I've been married for a while.

Cristina: Okay, then. How many children do you have? Aren't like roaches? Don't they have many children?

Jack: And she's like a good 12ft tall, so it's like weird.

Cristina: So how many children are there? Does she have no children? It doesn't. That part doesn't work.

Jack: No kids? We. It's impossible for us to breed together.

Cristina: Okay, but if she was a breeding cockroach, how many children would she have?

Jack: I don't know. Many.

Cristina: Many, many, many. It is like that. Like with real roaches or is that not right? Is it just bunnies?

Jack: That I have no idea. Maybe.

Cristina: I feel like it's a bunch.

Jack: Like roaches just have a f*** ton. Yeah, I feel like that's wrong.

Cristina: You think so?

Jack: I think so. I think so. Because think about it, when you see a roach, there aren't like a f*** ton of roaches around there. Usually that only happens when there's something particularly disgusting going on that they start kind of collecting in an area. But when you see one roach, you kind of just see one roach. There isn't like a lot of roaches which goes like. If you see spider, you'll usually see multiple spiders in the same area. There's a spider over here, there's another web over there. There's a spider over there. But like a roach. You'll see one roach in a roam. A whole house and then. Okay, it's gone.

Jack: That's interesting. Right?

Cristina: I don't know. I think it's still.

Jack: They have a bunch and they just like, hide. Like there's one scout.

Cristina: There's this one scout. Yeah. Once you kill him, they know. They know.

Jack: And send the other one out. Yeah, you can go now. You've been promoted because he has died.

Cristina: Yeah. Like in a year from now, you'll be there.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. And there's a bunch of cockroach people still out there. We destroyed your planet, but they were already exploring space.

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: So there's a bunch of roaches out there. Probably.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Don't get in trouble.

Jack: I mean, they're good. They don't know what happened. They're just. I mean, when they get back home, they're just gonna see us having imprisoned.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Be like these guys. This ain't even ours.

Cristina: Maybe they'll be scared of us, though. Like they won't start a war with.

Jack: Us because they're like, these people destroy all our people and imprison all these other creatures.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Cuz we got. Do we got stuff up there.

Cristina: We got werewolves, we got sea monsters.

Jack: We got sea monsters. We got f******. We got so much s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we got resources for days. On top of the fact that we have somewhere down here on Earth, our quantum computer that can do anything and simulate anything. We have a time machine that can take us not just forward, but back. And in your backyard, there is still a portal that we have completely ignored because we have no idea what to do with that.

Cristina: No. We could send some of these roaches in there or something.

Jack: We need to capture some of these roaches. And I'm not sending my wife in there.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Best bet. Send the reptilian in there. We have all of them enslaved.

Cristina: I feel like the right thing to do is to send a clone. No, not a clone.

Jack: A subhuman.

Cristina: A subhuman.

Jack: Fair enough. Fair enough. So the right thing, Keep the Reptilians. We don't know what they might be useful for.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But the Chinese pump out sub humans like there's no tomorrow. So we could just send one of them through.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Fair enough. I like that plan. And they'll do it without a fight. The reptilian might be like, no, I don't want to. And then it'll be all sad and annoying.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But the subhuman Will be like, yeah, yeah, this is my job. It's my job. They wouldn't even talk. They'll just nod and walk straight through, just mad, obedient.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. And then what happens?

Jack: Well, we know nothing happens because Ish jumped straight through and didn't die.

Cristina: I'm pretty sure he died. Are you sure?

Jack: Yeah, he just jumped straight through. You think he died?

Cristina: I don't remember. I feel like there was, like, so many different versions of him jumping in.

Jack: And dying because he also. Yeah, no, there was already. No, it's livable. At least there was already a version over there he tried to kill. It was a mess.

Cristina: There was a version of. But that was before. Was that before or after? Okay.

Jack: I don't know. I know Ish. Some version of Ish lived through the portal.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's a fact. We didn't get to explore too long because he was too impulsive. Jumped in and came back and was like, ha. But, like, we know a subhuman won't die just by going through.

Cristina: Yes, okay.

Jack: They might die going farther, but that's a risk I'm willing to take.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they can come back with information if they don't die.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And if they do die, we'll send two just in case. Between two of them, they can handle whatever killed them.

Cristina: Really? But we wouldn't know. Unless. You think we could just videotape the other side or something?

Jack: Yes, that'd be great.

Cristina: That would be. And then. And then I don't know what we do.

Jack: I don't know. Because we can't move it. It's not like a physical thing we could just grab and walk with. It's just there. Touching it is the other side.

Cristina: That is pretty dangerous.

Jack: It's just floating in your backyard.

Cristina: What do we do with it then? Man, it feels like we should do something with it, though. It's pretty epic.

Jack: I know. We. Okay, we could, in theory, knock down your house.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Build an entire thing around the portal and charge people to go in.

Cristina: We could do that. That sounds very like our zombie island thing.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: That was successful.

Jack: Holy s***. I forgot we had zombie island, which was really successful, but nobody left that island after they got there.

Cristina: Yes. And then we turned it into a toilet paper castle thing.

Jack: Yeah. Where the zombies were kind of protecting us from the virus.

Cristina: Yeah. You forgot about that.

Jack: I forgot about that. We own so many things. The lore of this podcast has gotten.

Cristina: So out of hand because we stole the island from. I think we stole it from you. Or from Dana White. I can't remember.

Jack: Oh, my God. Is this Fight Island?

Cristina: Yeah, I think it was Fight Island.

Jack: I think we stole it. I think we just like built our s*** on his island and then the zombies kind of offed everything that was left. I don't remember how this played out, but yeah, we got Zombie island. I'm pretty sure it was Fight Island.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But then we made a toilet paper castle in the survive. Because the toilet paper, you know, it defends against the. The virus.

Cristina: Yeah, I feel that's right. Yeah.

Jack: This is basically recap episode. Trying to piece together the narrative of our show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because we've done a couple of things, in fact, using the time machine. I remember I went forward in time and saw a version of me that was doing things terrible.

Cristina: Did you?

Jack: Yeah. Like sending people into the future in a touristy kind of way? Yes, the same, I guess the same way that I would be doing with the portal in the first place.

Cristina: Yeah. You think you were making money off of it? No. You were trying to stop the end of the world.

Jack: The cat people who were taking over. That's how we started chasing them to find them in the great Void.

Cristina: Yes. We only found them because there was a version of you who knew about them and was trying to change how much people. I don't know. What was his goal.

Jack: Also, we solved a problem. And I didn't think about this. We can jump anywhere in space now because we know how the pyramids work.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: And the cat people in Lake Loch Ness that were being protected by Nessie told us that their people are in the great Void.

Cristina: Oh, yes, we know. We don't know what's in there. But I guess now we know. Now we know we can't actually go in there.

Jack: Except we can, because we can use the pyramids to teleport us straight to the crate void in one clean shot. Just be there one second later. And we know they know the coordinates.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. So then that has to be another adventure.

Jack: I guess we can actually go kill the cat gods.

Cristina: Why? Why?

Jack: Or capture them, interrogate them for God like things. I don't know. Point is, we can go solve our cat problem.

Cristina: I don't even know if we have a cat problem. I don't know how you're.

Jack: Originally. Originally something resulted in cat people taking over the world.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And what I did was continuously send humans to different points in time from the future of after humanity started declining to counteract the growth of cat people.

Cristina: Yes. With humans. To have sex with humans. Yes.

Jack: Multiply and then overthrow the cat people before they became too strong. Okay, so I stopped the future from being about cat people. I did that. That was me.

Cristina: A version of you.

Jack: A version of me who's dead now or hiding.

Cristina: Hiding.

Jack: I think that one's hiding.

Cristina: Yeah, I think so.

Jack: Also, there were a lot of clones. I'm not even the original person hosting this show. No, neither are you.

Cristina: No, but I think there's way more versions of you out there than there are of me.

Jack: I think they're about the same.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah, I think they're about the same. I just think the one that was gonna be killed of me ran away. Fair enough. There's one more. There's two of me. There's one of you. Yeah, because one version of me also came back. That same one that is hiding came back to kill Jemaine.

Cristina: Yeah. No, I don't think that was the same you. That's a different you.

Jack: That was a different me.

Cristina: There's three of me that slow you that thought the clone of a clone. Clone of a clone tried to kill.

Jack: You, but couldn't tell the difference between me and Jemaine, who clearly look very different.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that clone was a one armed. What was the story with that?

Cristina: He's got one arm robot.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah. And we saw him on a billboard.

Jack: We f****** saw this guy in the real world. That's crazy. That's crazy. We just saw him outside.

Cristina: Yep. So he's doing something. He's got a modeling career? I guess so.

Jack: Yeah. That's crazy. Yo, man, man, the retarded clone f***** that up.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because wasn't he supposed to kill that guy who was trying to kill who turned. That's the reason that Jermaine was a ghost in the first place.

Cristina: Because he was trying to kill you?

Jack: No, Jermaine was a ghost the whole time. And he was killed by the guy with one arm and one eye, which my clone was supposed to kill but couldn't tell the difference between me and the guy with one arm and one eye, Right?

Cristina: No, the clone is the guy with one arm and one eye.

Jack: Holy crap. What happened to him?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Did we not get to the bottom? We never got to the bottom of what happened to my clone.

Cristina: How? Jermaine remembers the killer that killed him. Yeah, the guy had one arm and.

Jack: One eye, which was just my clone.

Cristina: Your clone? Yes. Who thought he was killing you, but he killed Jermaine.

Jack: And then Jermaine became a ghost?

Cristina: Yes. How he happened. How this happened to him, I don't know, maybe it was part of the copy copy process. Messed him up like such a s*****.

Jack: Copy that he had one arm less and one eyeless. And so he got a robot arm. He got a robot arm. I don't understand. I don't understand what happened. But he ended up modeling, which helped out, which is typical. Models are stupid, on average.

Cristina: Oh, and he's probably not trying to kill you anymore. He probably thinks he did the right thing.

Jack: He's too dumb to realize he did something wrong, but. So there are three clones. There's that r***** out there, and there's the one who's hiding, who was supposed to be dead, who was running this before me but didn't get killed, who I believe Jermaine was supposed to kill.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Something like that. He was original living. Jermaine was here to kill somebody.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I don't remember that. Okay.

Jack: There's some. Something's happening there. I don't remember that too clearly.

Cristina: Mm. He might have been.

Jack: We simulated a lot of things using the quantum computer.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Trying to simulate consciousness, trying to tell if consciousness affects movement or not. Just running real pressing issue experiments. It's really interesting. I think that's the only thing we've used without just total recklessness.

Cristina: No, and. Wait, the whole two people. We had two people to see the whole test with the. With the ship, with Baan people. That was in the quantum computer.

Jack: I have no idea what you're talking about. There was lack of description and all of that.

Cristina: The thing about the ship where if you remove all the parts. Is it the same ship?

Jack: Oh, the ship of Theseus.

Cristina: Yes, but we did it with people. Was that.

Jack: Did we do that with people?

Cristina: We did it with two people. It was the same person, but twice, I think.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it wasn't the same person twice. It was. That was just a thought experiment without a computer. It was saying, like, if you think the person is still alive, but you don't know they died, to you, that person is living.

Jack: So it goes to show that your thought of something is more effective than the truth of something.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And in the case of the ship, whichever ship you feel is the one you experience it with, which would be the one that's the new one, because to you it was consistent.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's real ship. Because that's what you're projecting all your while to the person who shows up late. They see all the panels on the new ship, which is the old ship's parts.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And they're like, that's a ship. I went on. And you're both technically right.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: But we did run consciousness. We did have the. We did have two people, but it was in the ship of Theseus thing. It was testing to see whether consciousness would affect a person at all. By putting consciousness in one person and not in the other and then overlapping them. Phase.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that they move and behave in exactly the same way.

Cristina: What was that in the machine that.

Jack: Was running the machine? Yes.

Cristina: Okay. Yes. That's what I remember. All right.

Jack: Yeah. And then if they ever break symmetry, then the one with consciousness is the one who did it because they were affected by something. Their consciousness affected the body.

Cristina: Yeah. That's a great test.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. If we could run that in real life, that'd be phenomenal. But we can't. But that's why we have the quantum computer to run these experiments that would otherwise be impossible.

Cristina: Mm. What else have we done? That stuff with Ish. You and him hacking together or I guess, versus each other. I'm not really sure.

Jack: This is a whole other problem. This is when robots are trying to take over the world.

Cristina: That was when robots are trying. I know. He had a robot buddy.

Jack: He had a robot. Yeah.

Cristina: Oh, he hacked one.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: He hacked one.

Jack: One of the Terminator robot things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then he had the robot carry him. We had a hack off to see who could hack more.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And he was. He was the better hacke.

Cristina: That's what happened.

Jack: He was the better hacker. That was an interesting time. We've been involved in a couple of wars with the cat people, with the reptilians, with the cockroach people, with the robots.

Cristina: Crazy that the zombies didn't take over. But it's a good thing that we just have them on an island.

Jack: Yeah. We controlled the zombies.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: On the flip side, we also control the lizard people, the cat people. Like, we got pretty. We've got a pretty good grasp on things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The power of the Illuminati, right there.

Cristina: Mm. But we don't have control of any most mythical creatures.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Because way too many.

Jack: There's way too many. And it's hard to f*** with them because you got to track them down first.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just getting the werewolves was not easy.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That was hard work. It took a lot. We were. We all the invisible. We got more verse in werewolves than f****** Sam and Dean.

Cristina: We had to make some. What was the easiest way to. To lay down on a sunny day or something? On a Wednesday. On a Wednesday. In water. I don't.

Jack: We Needed to find a werewolf footprint that was wet, and then you need to lay down in the puddle.

Cristina: You gotta drink the water, I think.

Jack: Oh, really?

Cristina: Then take a nap. On a Wednesday?

Jack: No, the easier way was the belt, right?

Cristina: Oh, yeah. You just put the belt on, you turn into a werewolf.

Jack: A wolf's belt. A belt made of a wolf, I guess.

Cristina: So like a furry belt.

Jack: Then you're a werewolf, and then you're a werewolf. That's how it goes.

Cristina: It's pretty simple. And then you take it off and you're human again.

Jack: We also found out that werewolves were inherently not a thing to begin with. They became a thing after people spoke of them. Because beforehand it was just Native Americans running around doing ritual things. And somehow between point A, when colonizers showed up and saw people running in the woods that looked like werewolves, and now when we caught a werewolf, they became real. Because originally it was just people.

Cristina: It was just people.

Jack: And we actually found out how that happened, which was adrenochrome.

Cristina: Adrenochrome.

Jack: Adrenochrome created werewolves. Boom.

Cristina: Yes. Because the church somehow.

Jack: Yes. And the church is the colonizers.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because they brought Christianity over.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So there really wasn't. Wow. We connected those dots pretty nicely. There really wasn't werewolves. Then the colonizers showed up, saw people who were like werewolves, and they're like, we would probably do this for real. Gave them adrenochrome, created werewolves. Some of those werewolves got feral and became other creatures.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: But werewolves were there.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Interesting. And this happened with many things, including the groundhog that tells us how long seasons last. Because that's his power.

Cristina: It's the lame power. He's got the lamest ability.

Jack: It matters to us for whatever reason.

Cristina: Matters to farmers.

Jack: He turned it into a whole career, I guess.

Cristina: I mean, right now it doesn't matter. I'm sure when it did matter, it mattered.

Jack: And now we just honor him because he mattered.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now it's a respect thing.

Cristina: Yeah, it's respect right now.

Jack: Yeah. It's like you helped us when we needed you most. Now we keep you hooked up until you no longer want to be.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's a respect thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Does that make sense?

Cristina: I think so. The whole it has its own language thing is pretty ridiculous, though.

Jack: I have a theory. What if we take our time machine to Clinton Road, we put it in the woods, and we hit forward. And we hit forward at a slower pace than crazy flying through time. But faster than now or even slower than now in the time bubble that we form nothing is being altered because we create our own time bubble. But if we can still see the outside being altered, would we notice inconsistencies in how space and time shift around us? Right. If we're walking through Clinton Road and things are changing at random because there are time bubbles, then we don't notice because we're in the time bubble that we seamlessly walk through.

Cristina: But if we could take yourself out. Yeah.

Jack: If we could be in our own time bubble, would we see things that random around us changing and shifting because of the time bubbles? Yes, because we removed ourselves from it. We're not being affected.

Cristina: And if it's not time bubbles, we'll see what it is happening.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: If there is something else. Could be a bunch of fairies playing tricks on people. Yeah.

Jack: Because fairies are douchebags.

Cristina: Yeah. So I didn't realize that could be an option too.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: They love doing tricks on people.

Jack: Good. They could. And some of them are powerful enough to make it seem like you've entered some whole other area and s***.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Could be fairies.

Cristina: Whoa. I didn't even consider that as an option.

Jack: I thought aliens, but aliens could also be an option. Maybe people are just getting kidnapped and they are getting, like. By aliens who control so such advanced technology that they can alter time momentarily and they go into this sort of bubbled universe where they do things to you. They put you back and to you. It's only been a moment. Of course, in some of these instances, it's been hours. Yeah. Some of these instances it has been, like, ridiculously long for the amount of time we feel passed by. So it's like we kind of weren't there for some time.

Cristina: We.

Jack: That is weird. Like, forever. That's some of the most interesting episodes we've had because that was real experiences. And we even called people in. We called Reaper, we called Noona to hear their sides of these stories.

Cristina: Yeah. We're just missing one person side.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Who knows if they even remember because it's such a long time ago.

Jack: It was a very long time ago, and it was a very short part of our life, but we all remember it. Everybody we did call remembers it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And what's weird is the difference in everybody's story. That's crazy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Everybody had something different happening.

Cristina: Mm. Everyone had a very strange night, but in a very different way. Yes.

Jack: That's. What's the craziest part about that. Those are some of my favorite episodes, man.

Cristina: How else could we explore Clinton Road?

Jack: Definitely with the time machine. We'll Get a new perspective on things.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Alternatively, we could use the quantum computer and simulate all of the wood and see what we see, because we can stop it. Anything at any moment, move around, look at everything.

Cristina: That'd be interesting. Can we see things in the computer? Like, could we put you guys in that?

Jack: Yeah, we can get the computer to simulate us perfectly and just recreate the series of events that we saw.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, that'd be so crazy.

Jack: Yeah, that's. That's what it's there for. We do whatever the h*** we want.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I also remember this one time that we simulated a child in the quantum computer who was born not being able to see, not being able to hear, not being able to talk. We just made some horrible human.

Cristina: That is horrible.

Jack: Just so we could see what their thoughts are like. Remember that?

Cristina: I don't. And I don't know. Like, what did we find, though?

Jack: I don't remember.

Cristina: Do you remember? That is a crazy experiment. That seems so wrong because they think.

Jack: There'S nothing that would stop them from thinking their brain is still functional.

Cristina: Yeah, but how do they think if they can't? If they can't, there's no senses.

Jack: Yes. We removed all the senses. But left everything functioning.

Cristina: But left everything functioning.

Jack: Yes, because if we left the tactile sensations, they would think in sensation, like physical touch. If we left scent, they would think in smell. If we left sound, they would think in audible thoughts. Yeah, but we took everything away.

Cristina: Yes. Wow. It's so weird. I feel like I remember something. What are those creepypasta stories that are similar to that, but it's not like a child. It was a person who. They took his senses away from him just to see what would happen. It's. Of course it leads to something creepy.

Jack: Nicki went crazy. Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah. He goes crazy. Then he starts seeing dead people, he says, but they don't believe him. And then I think in the end, he pretty much sees God or something.

Jack: Yes, but this is all happening when they took away his senses. But he could still talk.

Cristina: Yeah, but he could still communicate to them what he.

Jack: Yeah, they took away his sense of touch, of smell, of sound, of sight.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But he could talk.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they put this machine to him, and they left him in a room, and little by little, he devolved into madness.

Cristina: Mm. That's pretty crazy.

Jack: I mean, we had a creepypasta episode.

Cristina: We did. I don't think that story was in that creepypasta episode, but that's a creepypasta for sure.

Jack: Yeah. This really cool creep pastas are Cool. I like them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The weird f***** up stories.

Cristina: Yeah, it's just fun storytelling. Just campfire storytelling.

Jack: Fun. Yes. It's the Internet's campfire.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they're so well done. They're way better than campfire stories.

Cristina: Yeah, they are. They're very similar, though. Like. Yeah, the idea is still there. It's very social.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes. The same thing as you. You telling somebody else a thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They're written really well too.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, and not just. I don't mean written as in like novelized narration. It's like they're written in a believable way, which is the tool of the Internet. Like, that's how you write something on the Internet to make it scarier.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You write it like, oh, this is.

Cristina: A post on Reddit happening right now.

Jack: Yeah, there was actually some like that.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, people being hot. Actually, some of these aren't even like, creepypastas. Some of these are just weird people. Or not weird people. People posting about weird things.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they'll be log. Of course, some of them are bullshit, but they're following the format of people who are doing it in places that are real. And I'll be like, hey, there's something weird happening in my house. And I'll post every day to keep you updated. And then this troll just drops off the face of the earth one day.

Cristina: Yes. Usually the friend of the person writes the last post to say, oh, whoever died or mysteriously disappeared or something.

Jack: Yes, yes.

Cristina: He left me this last message to give you guys or whatever. Like, what? But it's part of the fun, I guess.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's crazy, right? Yeah, I like all that kind of stuff. That's totally dope.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We've. We've gone places.

Cristina: We've gone places through the Internet or through this podcast. All of it.

Jack: Both. All of the above.

Cristina: All of the above. All of the Part of the Internet anyway.

Jack: Yeah, but we also have access to all the information in the world, period. Not just the Internet. We got straight access to the Freemason's library. We have all the resources of the Illuminati.

Cristina: That's true, but the Internet is so much more fun.

Jack: Yeah, well, not really. Sometimes we just go and wander out and do things.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Talk to people. We found out what the real Scooby Doo is like. We had conversations. I tracked down this f****** scientist, saw his work. He just came out of nowhere and disappeared into the ether just as fast. This real life mad scientist out there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's a real guy. People in The Scooby Doo episode, you will hear about a real human who makes chimeras. Who makes chimeras? That's just his thing. He will go wherever he could go. That they'll allow him to make chimeras. And he did.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: With China, our buddies who give us sub humans.

Cristina: He meets Scooby Doo.

Jack: He could have.

Cristina: He could have. He could have. Yes. Okay, we.

Jack: We don't know anything for sure.

Cristina: No, we can guess.

Jack: Yeah. And we know that Scooby Doo was just one of the failed attempts at making his cousin.

Cristina: Which guy is he?

Jack: The gray, like, superhero dog?

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, that was. I don't understand. No, that guy's a robot.

Jack: Was he a robot?

Cristina: I don't know. He's, like, a Transformer robot.

Jack: That's weird. And that's one of the most recent revelations, too. Transformers.

Cristina: Transformers. Yes.

Jack: The fact that God not only made people, he made robots.

Cristina: Or there's two different gods.

Jack: Or just two different gods. Fair enough. We are yet to confirm this information.

Cristina: Yeah. What? I'm very. I can't wait to find out the answer. Especially if it's two different gods, because.

Jack: I mean, something made those gods.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If there's two gods. We got to go further back.

Cristina: Yes. I wonder if the show even goes that far back, though.

Jack: But just give up at some point.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know. That's so crazy. How did we even get there? I don't know. Somehow through he man.

Jack: He man led to Transformers. It makes sense.

Cristina: It's. I don't know if it makes sense. Does it make sense?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Is this a clear connection?

Jack: I'm sure we could connect it if we wanted to. That's what we do here at the Just Conversation podcast. We connect dots.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's our job. That's what we do. We talk about the big pressing issues in the world. We combine all the dots, and it is what it is.

Cristina: We're no different than conspiracy theorists. Don't they do that? They're just connecting dots from different titles of new news titles.

Jack: Yeah, but their dot connecting doesn't inherently make sense. Like, we're trying to ground things. They're just not connecting.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. We're trying to say this because that. They're just trying to say, this sounds like that.

Cristina: This sounds like that.

Jack: Yeah. Like, I can explain the things we believe with science.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So we. We've. We've been round, and since there's. We even got episodes in which we're just helping people.

Cristina: When do we help people?

Jack: Relationship Advice when we're answering science questions. There was one time that we were just trolling people's answer to complicated paradigm.

Cristina: Yes, recently we helped people convert to Christianity.

Jack: Yes, recently we. We. We jumped on our path towards the light and we tried to bring you guys with us.

Cristina: Yeah, well, yeah, that is. That's so crazy because you can convert someone to it and then convert someone away from it.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, I've mastered the art of doing that. Which then, then brings us to the guests and everything. Right. Like we mentioned germs and we mentioned Ishmael. But like, we've had a multitude of guests on this show. A bunch of interesting people, from musicians to artists, directors, other podcasters. Just a lot going on. Some of them multidisciplinary people.

Cristina: And some of us tried. Some of them tried to convert us.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Two very strange things.

Jack: Like what?

Cristina: Into. I don't know, what's the religion called?

Jack: Oh, the. You're talking about Michael Horn.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To pull us into the religion of Billy Mayer and his UFO contacts and stuff.

Cristina: Yes. It's very, very interesting.

Jack: Ishmael tried to convince me that he saw h***.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, yeah. You can't disprove him.

Jack: I can't. I can't. I haven't crossed that threshold.

Cristina: That's too crazy. I don't know. We'll see.

Jack: We'll see. He'll be back one day.

Cristina: Yeah, we'll have more stories.

Jack: Actually, he literally has another story about a near death experience. We need to get him back on the show. Oh, like he almost died again.

Cristina: How often does this happen?

Jack: Quite often. And he still thinks it had to do with the llama.

Cristina: No way.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was the one that he didn't have. The llama again.

Cristina: Really? Yeah.

Jack: Which would give way credibility to that llama. Like just really protecting him.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because the one. The another one time he doesn't have it, boom. Almost dies.

Cristina: Yeah. Maybe he is onto something.

Jack: He got the lucky llama. Interesting little artifact to own.

Cristina: Yes. Man, we have so many different guests. I don't know, there's just so many guests, so many topics, so many.

Jack: Yeah, we're all over the place. Yes, all over the place with it. There's no consistency in anything.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Sometimes our whole episode is fueled by an investigation we're running for the Illuminati. They give us an objective. We do our research and we just share it with you guys and we go do our homework and we go on our mission. We accomplish our mission. We let you guys know everything that happens.

Cristina: Did they give you. The mission to try to get. I forgot the name of the guest, but to get him to kill a baby.

Jack: You're talking about Bran, then.

Cristina: Yes. And the baby shaking.

Jack: The baby shaking.

Cristina: That was pretty intense.

Jack: No, they didn't want me to get him to shake a baby.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: That was just curiosity. Me playing the devil's advocate, which happens with pretty much every guest.

Cristina: And the trolley. He wasn't the only one you've done that with, have you?

Jack: No, with Cliff from Space Skits. I gave him the trolley experiment. But we had a kid, the kid who was starving.

Cristina: Oh, yes. You get him. Oh, my God. Can't die.

Jack: He can't die. And this guy just made his situation ever worse. Yeah, that was a great trolley experiment.

Cristina: Yes. Just making this poor kid's life worse and worse.

Jack: Progressively, like infinitely worse.

Cristina: Because he was trying to be the nice guy. Yep.

Jack: He was trying to not cause problems and as a result made everything 100% worse.

Cristina: That was awesome. Okay.

Jack: We've also, many times, many, many, many times gone down complete thought vortexes with Dave.

Cristina: Yes. But about, like, what, like the Matrix?

Jack: A lot of it. Because the mate, he's so well versed in the Matrix and a lot of, like, everything kind of relates heavily.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So we end up always going back to that or comparing notes with that.

Cristina: With reality in it.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Mm. He needs to come back. Is he alright?

Jack: He's fine. Thieves lives.

Cristina: He lives life.

Jack: He lives on the ice.

Cristina: Watches movies.

Jack: Watches movies? Yeah.

Cristina: Wasn't there a movie he needed to watch that you were talking to him about? No, he was talking about Supernatural. You think he ever started that journey?

Jack: I have no idea. That's.

Cristina: That's a journey.

Jack: That's a journey, man. 22 episodes, 15 seasons.

Cristina: It's possible.

Jack: That's crazy. Yeah. Who else have we totally gone down weird thought vortexes with? We had Dave, we had Christian. We went through some interesting ones with him. He came an atheist and left a believer.

Cristina: Whoa. And there's Anthony and Ryan.

Jack: Those are such amazing humans. And both trolls.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And I remember one episode where Ryan was trying to troll you. Yeah. He was trying to troll me without realizing. Like, bro, I am not pretending to be a troll.

Cristina: Where did that lead us? I feel like it had to do with tape or something. There was a bow and if you just put the thing.

Jack: Flexial.

Cristina: Flexial. Yes.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. I don't even know. I know that he was trying to consistently change the topic.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And I was okay with that. And that was bothering him that he was trying to troll and I was following along, which means he had to be able to continue to change the topic without losing himself in thought, which kind of annoyed him because he wanted to lose me in thought. But, like, I don't. This show has no. Yeah, like, this has no direction already, dude.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: What do you. What you. What are you trying to derail?

Cristina: He did not win that battle.

Jack: He did not win the battle.

Cristina: Ah.

Jack: His. He gets an A for effort.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, but it's like, I would need a plan for you to destroy the plan. And like, I don't have a plan.

Cristina: No, but he usually has a plan, I guess.

Jack: Yes. How are you a troll with a plan?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He comes in thinking, this is what's got to be done. This is how it's got to be done. It's like, I don't care, dude. Whatever goes, it goes.

Cristina: And you won that. What? That was funny.

Jack: Oh, yes. Oh, yes. He can't handle the trolling, man. We had a conversation about cheese. I remember that. Asking how. How he likes cheese. How much cheese do you like, bro? Freestyling on cheese.

Cristina: Yes, the whole conversation about cheese.

Jack: Whole conversation about cheese. Anthony is. He's the gay me.

Cristina: Yes, he is.

Jack: You precise down to like, though just how he thinks, how casual he is, how little f**** he gives. It's awesome.

Cristina: Mm. Does he like cheese?

Jack: I wonder. I should bring Anthony on and have an entire conversation about how much he likes cheese.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And he probably can't eat cheese, cuz b*** sex.

Cristina: What?

Jack: It's problematic. You don't want to have cheese and then have b*** sex.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because that's a problem. You don't want to have the poops while you. You. You f****** butts.

Cristina: Is cheese making poops?

Jack: Cheese is making you have a loose poops. Yeah.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Gives people runny poops.

Cristina: Do you like cheese?

Jack: I like cheese. I don't have cheese often, though.

Cristina: If you could, would you have it often?

Jack: I could. I still don't have it often, so no.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. We went into granular detail about the gayest things known to man with Anthony. I should bring Ryan on and ask him the same questions I asked Anthony as though Ryan himself was gay.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. That's an interesting episode.

Jack: Yeah. I'll just write the questions down on paper after listening to the episode with Anthony. Then I'll ask Ryan those questions.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: My first interview is gonna be with Ryan.

Cristina: Your first interview?

Jack: Yeah. Because it's always open discussion.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: My first interview will be with Ryan and I'm gonna ask him questions as though he's gay.

Cristina: Okay. I love it.

Jack: And there's two episodes with Anthony that we can take questions from.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. This is so fun. Yes.

Jack: And has Ryan been on three times or two?

Cristina: I feel like two.

Jack: Two. I know. Dave has been on three times or four.

Cristina: He's the most.

Jack: Yeah, he might be cut in five. I'm not sure.

Cristina: Whoa. Anthony twice. Also.

Jack: Anthony twice, Ryan twice. Ishmael three times.

Cristina: Well, we need some of these guests.

Jack: Back, but I also want, like, brand new guests.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's what I'm excited about for next year. No repeats. Just all new guests.

Cristina: All new.

Jack: All new guests.

Cristina: All year. All year.

Jack: All year. Everybody's new.

Cristina: Everyone.

Jack: Everyone's new. No repeats.

Cristina: Lame. Okay, that's fine.

Jack: Yeah. Well, then again, no, there could be repeats. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Doesn't matter.

Cristina: Doesn't matter.

Jack: Because there's gonna be at least one new guest per month would be the goal. Repeats could come in no matter when.

Cristina: Oh, yes. We're cha. Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yes. Things are happening.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's an evolution happening in the works. Thoughts being discussed and whatnot. So that'll be interesting.

Cristina: That will be.

Jack: I hope that plays out accordingly. It's actually why we don't talk about it into Mike, because a bunch of times things change. Consistently.

Cristina: Things definitely change all the time. Yes. We've mentioned so many things that. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. That's why we don't mention it. Because sometimes we have an idea and we'll, like, throw it away and it's like it never made it on mic, so we don't have to worry.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Since we never talk about it. It's just natural things happening in the background because a lot of it is just free floating thoughts.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that's the right way. The show is always evolving. Always changing.

Cristina: That's the way it should be.

Jack: That's the way it should be. One format for all of eternity. That sucks.

Cristina: That's boring.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Our show's not boring.

Jack: Our show's not boring. It's also really hard to comprehend. Again, this narrative is crazy.

Cristina: The. Yes, the storyline.

Jack: Yeah, I don't fully comprehend our storyline myself.

Cristina: Yes. This episode, trying to explain it is probably really complicated.

Jack: Yes. Yes, it's really complicated because also some.

Cristina: Of our guests have been in our story, which we already mentioned.

Jack: Ishmael, Jermaine.

Cristina: But also Dave has. And that we didn't mention. But I think he is a clone.

Jack: Yeah, Dave is a clone as well. There's a couple of clones.

Cristina: Yeah. But he also died during this show as well.

Jack: Yes. That's why he's a clone.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: He was killed early. And then the clone, him is who showed up after a while.

Cristina: Yeah. And it was perfect because his nickname is already clone.

Jack: Yes. Yes, that is perfect. So then he became the actual clone.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's crazy. There's a. There's a lot going on.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Jermaine's a ghost.

Cristina: He is.

Jack: Ishmael is also clone.

Cristina: He is too.

Jack: There's a lot of clones running around.

Cristina: Is he the clone, though? Because they are.

Jack: We don't know. We actually have no idea what the answer to that question is.

Cristina: The clone.

Jack: They fought each other and won one. We know one of them won. We're just not asking questions.

Cristina: Yes. And I doubt he knows.

Jack: Yeah. Because they both think they're the real one.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we have an idea. We have an idea.

Cristina: We have no idea. Whoa.

Jack: He might or might not be the clone.

Cristina: There's no way to test that, though, is.

Jack: There's no way to test that they would be genetically identical.

Cristina: Well, all right.

Jack: Well, actually, there is a way to test it.

Cristina: What's that?

Jack: We gotta clone him.

Cristina: How would that help if he ends up flawed?

Jack: Yeah, if he's flawed. If the clone. Clone's clone is flat. Well, if the clone we get is flawed, then that's the clone's clone. Yeah, but if he's a perfect clone, then we cloned the original.

Cristina: Yes, but then the original will look at that clone, decided they need a fight to the death, and then we'll.

Jack: Be in the same situation, so it doesn't even matter.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: All we would have answered is he was the clone. But we'll be left with the same question now. Because we'll be like, I don't know.

Cristina: Yeah, exactly.

Jack: So there's no way to solve that problem.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Ishmael's too impulsive. He's gonna try to kill himself every time on site. Yes, which is exactly what happened. It was no discussion.

Cristina: Like jumping into that hole. No thought doing it.

Jack: Yep. No thought, just straight in.

Cristina: That's why I think it killed him a few times. So I don't know if you were sending in clones. So is he a clone or did he survive?

Jack: I think he was the.

Cristina: And he was jumping back.

Jack: Look, I don't know if he was a clone or not. I know he jumped through.

Cristina: Yeah. And he came back several times, though.

Jack: Yes. Just f****** around, jumping like, haha. Jumping in and out. So I don't know. I don't know. I couldn't that in no way tells us whether he was a clone or not. We just know you can survive on the other side. Yeah, which, thanks to his impulsiveness, we got the answer to.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Meanwhile, we were just trying to get people to come up with clever ways to test.

Cristina: Without going in. Because we have asked other people.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Without going in, how would they test it?

Jack: But Ishmael just hopped through.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And he just proved it's fine.

Cristina: Yeah, that's true.

Jack: So, like, his impulsiveness worked out in our favor.

Cristina: Yes, but if it didn't, then what? I guess we'd continue testing it the way we were.

Jack: Well, no. If he jumped through and died, there's no point.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Then we just know it's too hostile. We just gotta, like, build a cement case around that black hole.

Cristina: Yeah, but now we're gonna start. We're gonna destroy my house so that we could sell tickets to enter it.

Jack: Yes. I don't know where it goes, but you guys are gonna have a wait.

Cristina: Are we doing the clones first? Are we gonna send them out just to make sure it's safe to explore it? Yeah, the sub humans.

Jack: Yes. We'll send subhumans in with cameras attached and stuff.

Cristina: And if it's safe enough, then we'll make a business around it.

Jack: Yes, yes. The same way that I did with Time Machine.

Cristina: All right, perfect.

Jack: Which I killed the other me for the time machine, Right? Is that how that went?

Cristina: I thought you ran away. You think you killed you?

Jack: Well, I was. I guess the plan was to kill me.

Cristina: What?

Jack: But I don't think I did. I'm just saying that the goal was.

Cristina: Okay, then.

Jack: That is because I was sending people with the time machine, and I got a hold of the time machine.

Cristina: Oh, okay. That does make sense. Maybe the other you. The copy of the copy was sent to kill you from the Illuminati because they didn't like what you were doing with the machine.

Jack: But that wasn't me.

Cristina: The other you. Whatever. The one that's in hiding right now.

Jack: Yes, I think that's what happened. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Cristina: And then instead of killing him, he killed Jermaine. Jermaine. Okay.

Jack: But still this. And then went and became a model.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That we later saw on a billboard. Also, it looks nothing like me. It looks like an old white guy. So, like.

Cristina: Yeah, I can.

Jack: I can understand how this clone was confused.

Cristina: Does Jermaine look like an old white guy?

Jack: No, Jermaine just looks like Jermaine. Okay, but we really did see this clone on a billboard.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That is the Most amazing takeaway. We were f****** around, talking about this thing. Went outside into the real world, and we saw the exact descriptions we were talking about.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We.

Cristina: Whoa, whoa.

Jack: Another argument for this being the Matrix.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Dave's on to something.

Cristina: Yes. And there was that one time where you and another guest were trying to predict shootings.

Jack: Oh, my God. And we did.

Cristina: Yeah. And then you had a second episode for it. Because.

Jack: Trying to like, you know, disclaimer. We didn't tell him to do it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because we predicted one of these mass shootings would happen immediately after the other one.

Cristina: Do you remember that guest name?

Jack: That guess was Blake.

Cristina: Blake Weatherly. Yes. Okay. Yeah.

Jack: And me and Blake Weatherly just really use hard information. We sat down and we thought about it. We worked it all in our heads because of a mass shooting that happened. Talked about society and how it affects psychology, and in doing so, we came to the conclusion that, well, because of how it affects psychology, somebody else is gonna see this. And then we're have a copycat killer. No time. The f****** day the episode went up, six hours later, another mass shooting happened.

Cristina: Unrelated.

Jack: Unrelated. In the exact specifications manifesto and everything. It was like, oh, crap, we need like an emergency.

Cristina: And then you recorded the emergency episode.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. It's just like this f*****. We did not tell this guy to do that. Yeah, but it could totally look to people like he heard the episode and then said some s***.

Cristina: Although that's not your fault if he did that. Do that. If he did hear the episode. Is that your fault? No, because it's not like you told him.

Jack: No, we were just over here theorizing and talking about s***. But you know, just to be. Just to be on the safer side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And to also pat ourselves on the back for getting it right.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's a weird, like, well, this is a tragedy. But also we got it right.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So like, win, lose.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, we also predicted something about Jeff Bezos. He did it. I don't remember what it was about.

Jack: I don't either. We predicted a couple of things though, that did turn out true. I was listening to a clip on our Instagram recently of a conversation I was having with. Was I talking to. I don't remember, but I was actually predicting Biden.

Cristina: Biden winning.

Jack: Oh, I was talking to Aaron from a perspective podcast. I was predicting Biden winning without knowing Biden would even run. I knew somebody from the left would win by default. As I said in the clip. And I said that we would immediately start correcting things as a knee jerk reaction instead of thinking about it, which I said in the clip that we should be talking about. We should be electing Trump again so that we have four years to plan rather than elect somebody from the left who's immediately gonna force all the stupid ideas we had as solutions into law.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which is what's happening.

Cristina: Ah.

Jack: I predicted that. And it's taking place.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So, yeah. The reality.

Cristina: Yes. You see, we are the best. I don't know. Fortune tellers.

Jack: Yeah. We're really good at our jobs. That's why the Illuminati has us here.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They don't have anybody else here. Anybody else would lie. Anybody else would bullshit. And the original versions of us weren't doing their jobs too well either.

Cristina: They were fine.

Jack: They were talking too much s*** about the Illuminati, I guess.

Cristina: It wasn't even me. It was you and Dave. I was just there, I guess.

Jack: But you weren't stopping us, I guess. So everybody got killed and here we are, the better versions.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So it is what it is. We're here thanks to their f*** ups. So, like, what's the argument anyways? If you guys want to discover all those things, that's what the Just Conversation podcast is really about. That was the history. That was all the things that we have done for five years.

Cristina: Five years.

Jack: You guys can go and see five years worth of narrative with a story. Adventures, Missions. We've gone on. Yes. Randomness. We've gone on missions for the Illuminati. We've gone on personal expeditions. We have run experiments. We confiscated a quantum computer. We have a time machine. I put people through h***.

Cristina: We.

Jack: All of it. It's all great.

Cristina: All of it's all great. Yeah.

Jack: And if you guys want this kind of stuff you want to find out, you can listen to the show. You can find it pretty much anywhere. You can find it on the official website, greatthoughts.info, or on Apple podcasts or on Spotify or anywhere you get your podcast.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok. Uscombopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe and rate the show. And if you feel so inclined, you know, leave us a review.

Cristina: Let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth is the most important thing in the world. And if you know friends who want a lovely, chaotic, random story, you tell them, hey, I got some weird sci fi fantasy like documentary show for you. And you can. You can go.

Cristina: It's got everything.

Jack: It's got a little bit of everything.

Cristina: Even romance.

Jack: It does it literally has romance. There are episodes about relationships.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So, you know, tell them about it. Tell them you want to learn about everything. You want to learn about how your universe works the real way. Here's the Just Conversation podcast where they have conversations about those things.

Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks. Watching for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: Like, watching someone. Someone accept award for doing something great. That's kind of weird.

Jack: That's pretty weird.

Cristina: Like, they can get that at home. We don't have to watch them all live together.

Jack: I love award ceremonies.

Cristina: It's the weirdest.

Jack: It's so weird. We're there to watch somebody be given a trophy.

Cristina: Yes. It's like. And we do that in school, though. Like, the person who gets the best grades, honor roll the whole year, they're gonna get a little certificate paper on stage.

Jack: Yeah. You know, here's the thing. It programs us to want that movie star moment where we get the trophy on stage, because we've been taught over and over.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To. You know, you're gonna go on stage. You're gonna do so well. You get to go on stage.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And people are gonna clap and they're gonna be happy for how well you did. And it's like, why do you need that validation?

Cristina: It's important.

Jack: But they're teaching us to want that validation.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's important for them that we need that validation.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I guess that's kind of the programming, isn't it?

Cristina: We're being programmed.

Jack: We're being programmed because then they can control our behavior. We need the validation. And we only get the validation if we do the things that they've put in place. So we have to work to get the promotion. And if we get the promotion, everybody knows because we get promoted on site. This is now we're promoting this guy to do the thing now he's moving up in life. We want to congratulate him for his job well done. And you're like, yeah, I did it. But you're being essentially brainwashed to just follow the line and do the job. And you're gonna get rewarded if you do the job. Exactly. To the T that they told you to do the job.

Cristina: You have to. That's the most important part, that you.

Jack: Do what you're told.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's some f***** s***. That's crazy brainwashing.

Cristina: Yeah. But it's exactly what's happening in the military.

Jack: And not just the military. I'm talking about everything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: A celebrity is essentially that.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister, with social media managed by Amber Black.

September 12, 2020

Rambling 102: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories

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Was 9/11 an inside job? What was the purpose of this event and how was it orchestrated? Answers to that and more on this episode of Just Conversation!

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On their search for truth our clone duo finally cracks open the 9/11 case to dig deep into its history and its motivations. Following the connecting dots takes them to foreign countries and even to a reptilian plot to create emergency supplies of adrenochrome! And that’s them just getting started. What our duo discovers will alter what they thought was true and reshape their reality in ways they could have never expected!

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February 15, 2020

Rambling 79: Coronavirus Conspiracy

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Why did the outbreak begin? Theories on the Origin of the Corona Virus.

Story:
After the recent outbreak of the Corona Virus in China, the duo unpacks it’s origin story and how it links to world politics. As the waters heat up between the United States and China biological warfare enters the picture as a solution for avoiding nuclear warfare, but a Royal British government clone has bigger plans with a Global Population Control scheme. All this and much, much more, on this episode of Just Conversation.

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