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Rambling 296: Godzilla: The True Story Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised. Jack: Going live in 5, 4. Cristina: What does live mean? Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack. Cristina: And I'm your host, Cristina. Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today, I thought it would be really cool if we looked at something that happened recently and unpacked how the world has reacted in response to these things that have occurred to Godzilla. Godzilla. I mean, I guess I wonder how people would react to Godzilla. I know there would be people who would be like, wow, it was based on truth. Instantly, a bunch of conspiracy theorists are gonna say, we were right all along. And the elites always put the truth in front of you because they have to tell you for whatever deal they made with something. Cristina: If it's part of conspiracy, then did they. Did the government, the world government, or whatever make Godzilla interesting? Jack: Or Godzilla could be a demon, a deity of some sort. God. God is in the name. Somebody's gonna put that connection together. Cristina: He's a God that was hidden, but someone knew about him. So did the government hide him until he broke loose or until the government was like, you know, the world government was like, okay, these people are out of control. We gotta let this guy loose. Jack: You think? Okay, okay, let's go back. You think the government made Godzilla? Cristina: No, I'm not saying they made him, but if they kept him a secret, then they probably have him locked up. Jack: Yes. Yes. Okay, fair enough. Fair enough. So the premise here is ultimately right. We're gonna fix this. This is gonna make a lot of sense. The premise here is two things. Regardless of how Godzilla is real and two, actually, three concepts that need to work here. Godzilla is real. And we're gonna prove this somehow. Cristina: Sure. Jack: And two, the government somehow knew. Somehow, somehow. Cristina: Whether they kept it or they just knew where he was or something. Jack: And three, that's because we only know about Godzilla to begin with. Because the government always has to tell us whatever they're doing, even if in secrecy. So they have to put it in front of us somehow. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Because the elites have to show us they made a deal with something. As we know is whatever theory. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And they have to show you. They got to tell you what they're doing, so they'll do it in cryptic ways so you don't know, but you know, or whatever. Cristina: I don't get it. I think it's so you can be used to it, so that when it happens, you're not as scared. Except the point of showing it is to scare you. Like, I don't. I don't know. So, like, they show it to you so that you. When it does happen, you're not too freaked out about it. Because they don't want you to kill yourself. Because at the end of the day, they still need you alive. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: For whatever their evil plan is. They just need you to know that it was possible. And then when it's possible when it's there, then. Jack: But I don't know why they would want you to know about Godzilla. Cristina: Why would they? They want us to know about everything. Aliens? Jack: Yeah. That's why. I think it's not that they're trying to descend. I think those people are wrong. If. If our three things are to be true, then they don't want us to know about Godzilla because they're unleashing Godzilla to kill us. Cristina: No. Jack: To do what? Why? Why would. Okay, let's. Let's work on one of these problems at a time. Cristina: Okay? Jack: Why are they. Cristina: Who. Jack: Somehow the theory that you're going with is they're trapping Godzilla. Godzilla? Maybe they could have made Godzilla, but Godzilla could have existed beforehand. Cristina: Yes. Jack: So it could happen either way. Maybe it was an accident. It could be that the story they told us about Godzilla was accurate. Cristina: It's just a natural thing that happened out from radiation hitting a lizard or something. From their bombs. Jack: Is that the initial story? Cristina: Something like that. Like they. We bombed Japan and then Godzilla was made. No. Jack: Okay, okay, okay, hold on. Let's. Let's f******. Without looking it up first, let's. Let's make our assumption. Okay, so you think war. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And nuclear waste. 00:05:00 Cristina: Yes. And then lizard and nuclear waste equals Godzilla. Jack: Okay, okay. I think cautionary tale. Power plant or chemical waste plant or something. Cristina: Yeah. And a lizard. Jack: Yeah. Wait, but you're saying war? Cristina: Well, it could be either or. Jack: Okay, you're just saying chemical. Cristina: Chemicals. A lizard, Godzilla. Jack: Chemicals. A lizard Godzilla. I agree. I think. I think it's a cautionary term. Cristina: Chemicals. I think it's bit a lizard and made Godzilla. Jack: Chemicals. Bit a lizard. Cristina: It's like Spider Man. Jack: Okay, fair enough. Kind of like the Ninja Turtles. Cristina: Yes. Jack: I mean, to be fair, that story. Cristina: The Ninja Turtles of whatever that story. Jack: Is about four N4 turtles that got bit by a radioactive rat, Right? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: And didn't he find them already mutated and turned into. No, they were just turtles. Cristina: Turtles. And you're saying he made them? The rat, the rat made them? Is he the villain? I don't think so. I think he found Them? No, the bad guy probably made them by accident. Doing weird experiment things. Jack: I bet. I bet it's some crap like that. Cristina: Experiments or an accident. Jack: No, I think. Yeah, it would probably have been like. And then he was trying the. His quest in life was to stop what he. The problem he created. So he spent his whole life trying to fix the issue of four mutant rats. I mean, turtles and a. I don't know. Maybe he made the rat too. They knew each other or something. Wasn't Master Splinter his master? Cristina: And he's just a dude. It's just a regular human dude against some wild animals. Jack: Any train. Cristina: And he's bad. Jack: Well, I don't know. I think I could be wrong. I don't know why. This is the memory, and I'm not gonna look it up. We're never gonna find out, okay? Because I've never seen the Ninja Turtles. I've read so little about the Ninja Turtles. I think, like, I literally don't even know how they became. Cristina: Like. Jack: I'm assuming it's waste if my memory says waste to some degree. Right? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: I think the rat knew martial arts because the guy taught it. But as you have brought up the question, did this guy teach a normal rat martial arts and that rat then went off into the world and became a mutant freak? Or did this guy make or find a mutant rat? Cristina: I can't believe he actually. No, I don't think he has to do anything with them. That can't be part of the story. It doesn't make sense. Jack: Then how the h*** did. He's a good guy. It doesn't matter what the h*** we're looking at. This guy is probably trying to just stop these weird animal freaks. Does he have targets? Does he harm people? Cristina: I think he's a criminal. Jack: Oh, he's a criminal. Cristina: I'm pretty sure he's doing crime. Jack: Are they superheroes? Cristina: I think so. Because I feel like the girl that's involved is also, like, a journalist or something. Jack: Holy s***. Are they Spider Man? Cristina: Yes. They're just like Superman. Jack: Are they super strong? Don't they have to, like, know martial arts? They gotta combat these guys one to one. They're not like one shotting everybody. Cristina: But they're. It's hard to hurt them. They're turtles, I guess. They have the highest defense. They might not be the fastest or strongest, but they're defense man. Jack: In a world where other creatures also mutated in a similar fashion. If we said they all approximated to about the same size, why would that happen? I don't Know even why the turtles began with. Okay, the least defensive thing Would probably be a standing turtle. Cristina: Well, maybe they can do stuff with their shells. I don't know. Jack: How could they see you if the only way for that defense to be high up, and you'd still have six points that you can be poked or stabbed or killed through? Yeah, you're just upping your defense. It's not perfect. Cristina: You think it. They're less defensive, though? Jack: I don't think they're less offensive. I think they're just lame. Cristina: They are pretty lame. Yeah. Jack: Yeah, yeah. In fact, we would have to increase the size of these turtles to make everybody the size of the biggest already existing. So the elephant is the only creature that wouldn't increase in size. All the other creatures would. 00:10:00 Jack: Except giraffe. We'll see the elephant, the giraffe. That's where we cap off. They don't change. Everything below them must increase in size to be at least the height of the elephant. If the turtles went up. Cristina: Yes, because they're like godzilla, who was a little lizard. Because it was smaller than them. Probably. Jack: Yes. But their soft spot is going to be larger. Yes. Cristina: Their soft spot. Jack: Yeah. The flat, the six points where the head goes in, where the two front and back legs going, and where the tail goes in, which is actually not different holes. Usually you have two large slits which are where their arms, the top arm, the top legs, and their head are. And then where their tail and back and hind legs are. Those are the two exits. So those two soft spots, as the turtle gets larger Would then be more vulnerable and be a larger target for the opponents. And if they're hiding, to remove their head, arms, and legs. Cristina: I don't know why they pick turtles. I don't know. It makes no sense. Jack: Yeah. They couldn't see you. Cristina: I thought they picked something cooler. Jack: They couldn't see you. Cristina: Turtles was cool. And then they gave them the attitude of spider man. I'm imagining that they came out around the same time on spider man because they have that boyish attitude that spider man has. But there's what, four or five of them? Jack: Say that again. Cristina: That they have the same attitude that spider man has. Jack: Yeah, they're broad out and, like making jokes. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Except the angry red one. Cristina: Huh? Jack: He doesn't make jokes. Right. He's serious. Cristina: I don't know. There's an angry ninja turtle. Jack: I thought there was an angry red one. Cristina: I don't. I don't know. Jack: I know. Hold on. Let me see. Cristina: I don't even know if there's four or five of them. I don't even know the number of turtles. Jack: I think there's four turtles and a girl turtle. Four dude turtles. Cristina: Girl turtle. Jack: There's a dudette turtle. Cristina: There's not a dudette turtle. There's a girl, but she's not a turtle. Jack: No, there's a girl. Cristina: There's not a girl turtle. Jack: I promise you there's a girl. Cristina: She must have came out way later because the original turtles are. No. Are just boy turtles. Jack: No. I mean, yeah, sure, but there's a girl turtle. No, there is a hundred percent a girl turtle. Cristina: When did they introduce a girl turtle? It makes no sense. Jack: I think pretty early. Cristina: Are you positive? Jack: I guarantee you there is a girl. Cristina: But she's not a turtle. She's a human. Jack: There's a female ninja turtle. I swear to God. No. Cristina: What does that mean? Jack: She got turtle b****. Cristina: That's exactly what I was picturing. But no, there's not ninja turtle. No. Jack: In turn, she's blue. Girl turtle. Cristina: But that's just a made up turtle. Jack: She's blue and light. She's light. Cristina: She's not one of them. They just turned one of their turtles into a female turtle. Jack: No, they got blue. They got b****. Cristina: No, look, there's a. That's him. Jack: No, no. Cristina: Yes, there is that guy. They just changed his sex, but he still. No, there's no female ninja turtle. Jack: What is her name? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: There you go. Cristina: Ew. Jack: Yeah, there's just a chick that's lighter blue. Cristina: When did she. But she's not part of the original Ninja turtles. Jack: You probably not. I don't. Sure you could tell. I'll go with that. I have no idea. Cristina: I just know they don't look like teens anymore. I don't know what they're supposed to be. Now you see that girl? She's the girl. And she's just a human in the yellow suit. Jack: That's the reporter. Cristina: Yeah, I think something like that. Jack: There's just an extra turtle here who isn't even a chick. Cristina: I don't know what's happening. Jack: Yeah, but you get the point. Cristina: No, I don't. What was the point? That they. Jack: There's a female turtle. Cristina: The turtles. Originally there's like four turtles, now there's. Jack: Five and there's a chick. And I think it's been like that since like the second iteration. Cristina: No, he's like. Even the newest projects, you don't see the girl turtle. Jack: Oh, fair enough. Maybe they just don't like. Maybe sexism is alive. Cristina: Maybe. Jack: Okay, There are three scenarios here that are depicted in films that we can use to try to understand Godzilla right now. Cristina: Okay. Jack: One, nuclear testing. You were right. My specifics on it being a power plant was wrong. 00:15:00 Jack: But it wasn't war, it was for war. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It was just test site, probably some random a** island in the middle of nowhere, but had wildlife. Biology suggests in other films that it was a prehistoric kind of dinosaur. Cristina: I don't understand. Jack: So upon the discovery of this dinosaur that was somehow living underwater, is it. Cristina: Like that movie where they found King Kong in the center of the world? Jack: Kind of, yeah. Cristina: Like she's just sleeping in the center of the world and somehow she pops out here. Or he. She. I don't know what Godzilla is. Jack: Well, she. I think she's neither. Cristina: Okay, Well, I think she's like a. Jack: Frog could just, you know, asexually reproduce. Cristina: But Godzilla was down there. Jack: Yeah. Or just sleeping at the bottom of the ocean or something like Nessie. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And so, yeah, that's the other idea. Cristina: And there's a third one. Jack: The third one is essentially a hybrid logic where there was this maybe unknown reptile that was exposed to some chemical waste and that. So it's sort of both things. It had a unique chemistry that then allowed it to become. Cristina: I'm not sure what you tried to say. Jack: There are other lizards and other things in the same water with the same lizard that then became Godzilla. Godzilla was either amongst the species that it was the last of, or it had wandered off into a different eg area and reached the radiation. And its unique DNA had its reaction to the exposure to be turning into this large thing and nothing else did. Because the logic would be why would radiation turn this one lizard huge and not all the others, which is legit? Cristina: I don't know. Because like, if he's real, then what stops all the other things that they are showing us to be real? Jack: Legit. So assuming that Godzilla is a self contained situation, then we can write off the nuclear test site is wrong. And it's probably some kind of creature that has existed for a long time. Meaning the government found it. Cristina: Okay. Jack: They didn't make it. They saw this thing. Who knows how long it's been hidden or caught. But the government has it. We don't know when or why. We just know that they have it. Cristina: Okay, solved. Jack: They caught some sort of ancient creature. Cristina: That's what they do. Jack: Yes. Okay, now how do they know its capabilities? Cristina: They gotta experiment on it like they do. Jack: But how? Where? I guess we, no matter what, we can make a Space large enough. If we have enough funds, it doesn't matter. Cristina: Yeah, maybe it's where we say the aliens are. What's that spot? Area 52. Area? Jack: Yeah, giant location where it could fire whatever beam into nowhere. Cristina: They're experimenting on it. That's how they make their flying ships. They're not using alien technology. They're using an alien like creature. I guess. Jack: Fair enough. And its energy beam is what taught us about lasers and s***. Cristina: Yep, yep, yep. Jack: Interesting. Okay, so then now the question is, why would they release it? To do what? Cristina: To get us not to not. It's confusing because it has to do with Jesus coming back to life and the rapture. But it's like the government is against Jesus. So I don't know. I try to understand these conspiracies, but it's always something like this. Jack: Okay, well, assuming the whole Jesus thing is wrong and the rapture isn't gonna happen, grounding this in the re. In being as real as possible, what are some reasons the government might release Godzilla? Like, what's a real concern that they would be like, oh, get the people in check. I mean, maybe think about it. Think about it. We got conspiracy project 100% to fight the aliens. No, if some government. That's probably why they show us this movie specifically. Right. It's like, oh, we found this creature is one movie. But hey, he helps us from time to time. Cristina: Yeah, Godzilla sometimes not that bad. Jack: I bet they've always been working on mind control technology in order to figure it out for Godzilla. Maybe. Maybe it's not a creature they can control. So they maintain it tied and sedated because it's like, dude, this dinosaur 00:20:00 Jack: is bigger than most of our mega structures. Cristina: Yes. Like, why are they gonna. It's not to attack us. Like, they don't need a giant lizard, dude. Jack: Also, the size depiction of Godzilla tells us that maybe Godzilla has been around and we've seen it throughout time. Because think about the different scales. Sometimes it's just the right size to fight King Kong, and King Kong is so small, it had to climb to the top of the Empire State Building. Cristina: Yeah, he's not that. Jack: He's not that big. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Other times, Godzilla is so tremendously f****** large that it is the height of the Empire State Building. Cristina: So what are we. What are we saying? It's actual sizes? Then I think maybe the child, if there's children version is the size of King Kong. Jack: And really the adult is what we're holding back. That's the. When we're talking about, we let Some creature out to protect Earth. That's what we're talking about. We're talking about that really big one we're hoping the guy we can control at some point. Because we're going to need it for when the big s*** comes to. When the meteor is almost here. Shoot a beam into the sky. Cristina: Could be okay to stop the, you. Jack: Know, aliens are coming. Start attacking. Fire all you've got. Cristina: You don't think it's like a government thing? Like, they know the other. Every country has their own Godzilla thing. And they're like, okay, if someone releases their Godzilla, then you got the. You got to press the button to release our Godzilla. Kind of like the nuclear crisis, except with monsters. Jack: Then. Then America doesn't have Godzilla. Cristina: Why not? Jack: Because Godzilla's Japanese, Right? Cristina: I don't know. Because I think it comes from us doing the experiment with radiation. Them seeing what we're doing. That created the fear. Jack: But they caught the creature. It's their creature. It was over there. Cristina: So. Or maybe we're attacking them with it. Jack: I have a theory that works with a lot of the world. Godzilla is Japanese, and we have our own creature. Theirs was our fault. Cristina: Okay? Jack: Ours was our intention. Cristina: Oh, what is ours? Jack: I don't know. What creature do we talk about in any manner, shape or form that makes absolute sense as an equivalent to Godzilla? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: Was King Kong our creation? Cristina: I think so. Jack: We have a giant ape somewhere. Cristina: Somewhere does not really compare to Godzilla. Jack: But no, we went to Jurassic Park. We went to. Yes, we went. Yes, we went to Brazil and found King Kong. Right. Cristina: I don't know. Jack: We went to some random jungle out in a different country. It wasn't over here. No, we didn't capture King Kong and bring him over here. We went back to King Kong. Cristina: I know. Jack: We did capture King Kong at some point. That's how he got to the Empire State Building. Cristina: Yes, we captured him from the island he was at. Jack: Yes. But that's the story of how that went wrong. Okay, so is Jurassic Park. Yes, but I think you're right. I think we were like, we can do bigger and better, and we could do it with nothing but money. Cristina: Yeah. So we made not just one many. Jack: We got all of them. We got hella creatures bigger and badder than all your creatures. Cristina: I don't know if any of them compare to Godzilla. Yeah. If you look at the biggest dinosaur and put it next to Godzilla, is it competing? But even if it was competing in size, like, it doesn't have the ability to. Jack: Yes, Godzilla. Some other That's. Cristina: Even if Godzilla was smaller in size, does it matter if it shoots out beams? Jack: Yeah, it's like a pure energy. Like it'll cut, it'll. Cristina: It's. Jack: It's a lightsaber. Cristina: Yes. Like it doesn't matter what we have. No matter how large it is, there's no winning. Jack: I know. You know, like, I don't think it's gonna be. Man, that. That would be nuts. Cristina: You're looking up. Let me see, let me see. Jack: The largest dinosaur was about 85ft long and potentially as tall as a three story building at most. Cristina: And what is Godzilla size? Jack: Yeah. Now the question is, what was at its largest? Cristina: There's many, so. Yeah. Jack: Yeah, straight up. It varies from film to film, but the largest is 00:25:00 Jack: is 350ft. How tall is the Empire State Building? Nah, nah, nah, nah. So this creature was around tall buildings, but it wasn't the size of the Empire State Building. The Empire State Building ain't a joke. Godzilla's tallest size was 350ft. The Empire State Building is a hundred and fourteen fifty four feet. Cristina: Okay. And what was the tallest dinosaur? Jack: The tallest dinosaur was roughly half the size of Godzilla. With our estimate being that the possible for the largest dinosaur was roughly 122ft. But the largest we've seen that we believe can get to that size at its highest point was 85. So Godzilla will s*** on anything. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Anything. How big was the biggest King Kong? Cristina: I still don't think it's gonna compete. Jack: King Kong stands at approximately 104ft. Cristina: That's kind of whack. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: I don't understand. Jack: Biggest Godzilla is three and a half times bigger. Cristina: Yeah. That's ridiculous. Jack: Yeah. He would stop this. Cristina: He's huge and he's got powers. Who is. Who is fighting Japan if this was Japan's creature? Jack: I don't know. Cristina: That's why it has. It can't be. Jack: No. That's why we made so many investments. That's why we made so many. We're compensating. Cristina: I think Godzilla is our creature. And whenever we're not happy with Japan, we release it on Japan. Jack: Oh, s***. Maybe there wasn't a nuke. Maybe we were testing, ended up with this thing and sent that out. Cristina: Yes. And that's why they fear us and it. Because it. It's the same thing. It's us. We are their nightmare. We are Godzilla. Jack: Interesting point. So then the question is, when was the first Godzilla movie and when do we drop the bomb? Cristina: Oh, I bet that the bomb came first. I'm betting I'm betting. Jack: You think the. The bombs hit first? Cristina: Yes. If not, then at least when we started testing had to come first. Jack: Okay. Okay. We found something strange here. The first Godzilla movie. Go, Jira. Literally, the name, how you're supposed to say it, it's like in quotation marks here. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Came out on November 3, 1954. Cristina: What are you saying? Like, it happened a day later or something. Jack: Hiroshima. Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Jack: Was dropped on August 6, 1945. That was 10 years before the 11 years earlier. No, nine years back. That's nine years back. So the bombs got dropped first? Cristina: Yes. And then shortly after they make a movie. Jack: Shortly after they make a movie. Cristina: Yeah, yeah. Jack: And the area was supposed to be radiated for really exaggeratedly long time. That's wrong, though. So now it's common knowledge that, no, it's gonna be livable eventually. Cristina: So you're questioning if it was actually what we said it was? Jack: Yeah. Was Godzilla really released into. Cristina: Yes. What? I don't know. Jack: You think that'd be crazy? Cristina: No. Jack: What if we really. What if? Cristina: Really? Jack: What happened is the United States released Godzilla as a warning. But then the question is, how far apart were these? No, they were three days apart. Cristina: What was three days apart? Jack: Hiroshima. We dropped the bomb on August 6, 1945, and just erased that in Nagasaki was August 9 where we dropped it. This was three days later. There is only one possibility. If what you're talking about is the case, we have more than one. And that's why there are different sizes. The fat quote, Fat man bomb was the big one. Because the first one we let go was called the Little Boy. And the little boy could just be the small 00:30:00 Jack: Godzilla. Cristina: Yeah. And because these maybe are scientific experiments, like, maybe once they do their damage, they die. Like, maybe not leave them. They don't actually live, though. Jack: Oh, like they're gonna be. Like, they're gonna die quickly. Cristina: Yeah, they die quickly. Because they're not really. They're. They're radiated. They're. They're. They're animals, but they're not. Like, why would a radiated animal and all these stories, they stay alive and healthy and everything. Like, that's not true. They die immediately. Wouldn't they? Jack: All the other creatures. Cristina: Any creature. Jack: You mean the Godzilla? Cristina: Yes, the Godzilla. Like, any radiator. Jack: How did we get it to that size if it's gonna die quickly? It would have died long before it. Cristina: Reached that size because we hadn't had it woken up. Maybe. Maybe. Jack: We're finding these creatures, right? We're trapped. We're capturing them. Or we're making them. Did we make Godzilla? No, because we found them. We found them. This is a fact. We found these creatures. Cristina: Yes, but maybe we found their eggs and then we still have. Jack: They still have to grow naturally. Right. Because it's. We've established some creatures, a dinosaur. Cristina: Okay. Maybe they just diabetely out of their environment, Their natural environment. Jack: But they'll be right next to the water. Isn't it from the water that we're getting them? Cristina: No. From somewhere super duper radiated. Jack: No, because they're just. Unless we found somewhere naturally radiated on the planet. Cristina: Yeah, maybe because it's an ancient creature that happens to go into a radiated area that creates the Godzilla. Jack: So the argument is there's a lizard that hangs out in a raid. There's a spot naturally on earth that's always radiated. Cristina: Yes. Or that we turned it into radiated and just. Jack: No, these are dinosaurs. Cristina: These are dinosaurs. Jack: These are dinosaurs. We've established that. That the government had nothing to do with it. Cristina: No. Yes. Jack: So we must be finding these. Cristina: Yes. Jack: There must be somewhere on earth that's naturally radiated. Cristina: Okay, yeah, maybe. Jack: Or are we just finding dinosaurs? There's some kind of unique nessie like creature, basically. Right. But why can it shoot a beam from its mouth? We gotta justify that. That's the radiation we had justified size. I guess more ancient dinosaurs than the dinosaurs were used. So that's really what's happening. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And because of that it was de down. And because of that, like it hibernates deeper down in the planet. Cristina: But we can hear it through Russia because they have that giant hole in the ground that makes really spooky sounds. Maybe it's just the dinosaurs. Jack: Maybe they don't sleep underground. Cristina: What? Jack: Maybe they sleep and live underground. And this is one of many. And they're always down there. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And what we hear through the hole. Cristina: Is that they're just. They live down there and it's radiated. Jack: And then we find. No, they don't even have to be radiated. The size, it just works different down there. Cristina: Okay. It's not radiation. Jack: Yeah. But they. They live around lava and immense pressure. Cristina: So maybe where does the beams come from? Jack: I don't know. I don't know. Maybe it's kind of like they're doing something through the. They learn, they evolve naturally. Being able to do a combination of something with air the way that that crab underwater does that make a small explosion. Cristina: Seriously, it's just. It's. There's some scientific reason. Jack: Scientific reason why it can shoot out lasers. Yeah. If we think about like a way to first create an air funnel. Maybe you have some sort of internal system that works like gills but for oxygen. So that you can open and suck in air from one side as you're simultaneously pumping the air out through a more narrow air. Cristina: So radiation has nothing to do with it? No, that's just the story Japan believes because of what we said we were doing. Yes, they put the scientific experiment to it. That's part of the story because that's the story they were told. But we're just lying. Jack: Or you're right and it is radiation. But then it happened by accident. Yes, and. But no, it wouldn't make sense. How did this creature so immediately after. Cristina: They'Re attacking die? Jack: I mean there's a ten year period. Well, we'll say the nine year period. We'll say a movie started being made a year after the events at earliest and the movie got put out a year later. So two year gap. So two years before it would have had to happen. So there would have been only seven years for that lizard to go from as small as it was to as big as it was. It wouldn't happen. The only way would be if this thing was growing for infinities. Cristina: Yes, it already has to be that big. Jack: It already had to be that big for many, many, many, many year. Hundreds of years maybe. Cristina: So they found it. They found it 00:35:00 Cristina: and then it died. Jack: Yeah. So it's from the center of the earth. It comes out here and whatever trick it could do. But again. Okay, wait, we're trying to figure out this trick. Right? So it has some gill like system. It should in theory be able to open some thing to pull in air and have a different where it's shooting the fire from. Should have some kind of like narrower airway so that if you're pulling in twice the amount of air then you have some sort of a pump and you could shoot out the air continuously. Then that's solid. You could. Cristina: You somehow makes lasers. The air turns and say lasers. Jack: Well, the laser wouldn't exactly be a laser. Maybe that's just a weird depiction and it's not like a lightsaber. Maybe it's more like fire. Cristina: Okay. Like a dragon. Jack: Like a dragon. And so it's breathing this in and kind of like a venomous snake that can spit out this kind of thing onto you or something like that. Maybe. Cristina: Why wasn't Godzilla just a story about a dragon? Because we have so many dragon stories. Why wasn't this just a different dragon story? Jack: Maybe the Japanese don't Have fire breathing dragons? Maybe we have fire breathing dragons. Maybe that's a western thing. Cristina: Japan, I mean, China didn't have dragon that breath fire. Jack: I don't know. I have no idea. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Why you think it was What? Cristina: I don't know. Because like, wouldn't they just say it's a dragon that's attacking us and not some scientific experiment attacking us? Jack: Well, they think it happened after the bombs. Here would be the theory. Right. Grounding this a little farther. We dropped the bombs. Cristina: I thought they were the bombs that we dropped. Jack: Well, this is me adjusting. Okay, we dropped the bombs. No, they have to be the bombs. Yeah, but assuming I'm wrong, we dropped the bombs and the bomb woke the thing up. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It's the only time we've ever dropped these bombs. Ever. It's the only time nukes have been used on these areas that aren't just abandoned islands in the middle of nowhere, deserts that are uninhabited. We're dropping it where there's people and foliage. Cristina: I woke this ancient dinosaur up, and. Jack: It woke this ancient dinosaur up. Cristina: Okay. Jack: That could be why they, like, the bombs dropped. Then the thing happened. So that the. The whole story about the bombs. I bet Godzilla did not attack either one of those two places. What place in Japan did Godzilla attack? Tokyo. Cristina: Tokyo. Okay, that's random. Jack: I guess because it was like a real super mega area. We were just attacking normal civilian areas that had a base, I guess for control, it was military related, trying to calm them down or whatever the h*** we were trying to do. Tokyo? Yeah. So that takes place in Tokyo. So that's a possibility. One of two scenarios explains the attack of Godzilla on Tokyo. Either we dropped two bombs and woke something up. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Or these bombs were the lizards and they wandered off. Cristina: That could also be it. That means. Yeah, I don't know. Because like if we did wake up a lizard up, there was just one lizard. Jack: Maybe not. Maybe there was a bunch of lizards. Or maybe we knocked something down underground that allowed one of these already existing creatures from underneath. But we can go back to the original concept that they. That we, the United States, found a way to go down there and get these creatures that have always been down there. Because we do hear something when we hear down. No matter what, these creatures are underground. How we acquired them is now the question. We found out where they are. Cristina: They're underground. Jack: They're underground. Did they originally pop up in Japan? Or did we go get them probably through that hole in Russia, and then keep them? But how do we transport the biggest one? Cristina: Yes. Jack: Problem. We should have a base where we're finding them. Cristina: Alaska. Jack: Alaska is probably a really good place. There's a bunch of rural places out here. 51. 100. Yeah. Cristina: Area 51. Jack: Yeah. Just holes that go deep. And we just have access to pulling these things up and keeping them around the hole so we can throw them right back down if we don't need it. How are we going to dispose of this s***? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: You know, because we tried. Maybe we tried to dispose of some that went wrong. And that's why we have stories of some coming out of the water. Cristina: Okay. You know, 00:40:00 Cristina: and then still, like, any alien story could be pointed to this creature because it could be more than one creature that's down there. Like, they don't all have to look the same. Jack: Yeah. What are they eating if they all look the same? Cristina: Yeah. So, like, if they're like. If they're dinosaur like, I guess, which is very lizard like, so very alien like. Jack: Yeah. And it's definitely. There's lava if they go deep enough. But I don't think they're so deep. I think they're just deep enough that they don't normally get to us or ever. And water must be down there, too. They're ocean levels. Deep, deeper. Slightly deeper. They're slightly deeper. They're in the gaps of air underneath the ocean. And then we found ways. And we tell people, the normal civilians don't have access to the technology that can take us so deep to withstand that level of pressure. But the government's never going to tell us that it does. And it can easily get down there and it can access these creatures and get to them. Cristina: And then what? Just attack countries with them? Jack: But then this. Yeah. Like you said, one country has King Kong, one country has Godzilla. One country has this thing. One country has that thing. One country found it, used it. Other countries found out about it and figured out how to get more. So chances are we have maybe different countries have different size Godzillas. I got a really old Godzilla that's the size of this. Cristina: Okay. All those different ideas. Jack: I got a really huge moth. Cristina: Huge moth is Russian thing that they attack us with. Jack: Yeah. You know, anybody can have anything and they could be getting it from the same place. You just gotta have the technology to go get it and the ability to. Cristina: Restrain it, which I don't know if anyone does have that, though. I don't know. Jack: Then how do we stop the ones that were. We. We. Cristina: I think you can still kill them. I think killing them isn't like a hard thing to do. It's just like hiding the body and then making up stories to what actually happened. Jack: So you have to be able to control it. You can't just kill it. You got to kill it in the water. Cristina: Yeah. You have to kill it in a way that hide. Like, you gotta. You still have to, like. Jack: Fair enough. So then perhaps still like every alien. Cristina: Story where the government came by, asked a bunch of questions, told a lie about what actually happened, and like, I have a theory. Yeah. What? Jack: Maybe it was one. Cristina: Was one what? Jack: The first one caused small destruction as compared to the second one, the one that caused great destruction. They were both powerful. But what if the first one was Godzilla doing it? Little boy was Godzilla. Cristina: And the second one was to kill Godzilla. Jack: Was the. Kill Godzilla. The bomb. Cristina: Okay. Jack: What Godzilla was doing. We're testing it. We're seeing if Godzilla works. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And then it kept wandering, and we're like, how do we control it? Okay, here we go. Well, it worked. Gone. No proof. Cristina: Mmm. Jack: Two part system. It'll keep destroying more than a nuke can if you just let it keep going. Yes, they tested that on the first one. It'll do. Nuke levels of destruction. And until we decide to stop it, it'll keep going. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Can we stop it? Well, let's find out. Here we go. Boom. Cristina: Okay. Yeah. They have to get rid of it. Jack: They have to get rid of it. Maybe the government has the ability to drop things like this at random. Cristina: Crazy. And it's all the governments. Jack: Then many, many, many governments have the ability to drop some colossal creature onto other governments, onto other countries. Cristina: Yeah, to just attack. Jack: Or maybe not. Maybe it's just a few. Depends who has stories of disability. We're the only people who are like, oh, no, we can't. We control it. It's our thing. We call on that show, we want it. Of course we use it. In the middle of the ocean, nowhere, where nobody knows where the h*** people are. Like, oh, how did the Americans shoot down that boat all the way over there? And it's like, we don't need to. Cristina: Know, but we're still. We're still lying about what it's happening. Jack: Yeah, I bet. If we can't control it. No, man, that's a question, right? How do we. We don't have mind control. We're still trying to figure it out. Yeah, if we could control something that big, we'd be controlling humans long since. Cristina: But there's no way we can. Jack: There's no way we can. So we're not using it casually. That has to be Wrong. We're definitely lying about what happened. But I'm pretty sure we dropped a thing that caused nuke sized damage. Cristina: And then we used the nuke. Jack: And we used the 00:45:00 Jack: nuke to see if that could stop it. Now there's no proof that it ever existed. It's gone. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Evaporated the bones into nothing. Cristina: That could be it. Huh? Jack: Simple. Although I think bones would survive a nuke. They would just be crispy. I have no idea. Maybe if you're close enough, you get disintegrated into powder. Cristina: But like, even if you find the bones, am I still dinosaur bones? I don't know. Jack: Yeah, and that's why the wood. That's my point. Like, it would have to be at a point that it gets incinerated, Right? That's the only way that you have zero. Cristina: Zero proof. Jack: Zero proof. Okay. No, the bones would totally disappear. Cristina: So. Jack: Interesting. If this says the bones of a person would disappear, then the question is to go directly and do the size. How big would a bone have to. Cristina: Be to not disappear? Jack: To not disappear. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Okay. All right. So let's do some breakdowns here. Humans would get eviscerated into nothingness and cease to exist. See, even their bones, which are our thickest, densest part, Godzilla's bones. To scale appropriately to its size, maintain its weight, and be logical according to how gravity and whatnot works, it would be about 20 times thicker than a human bones. Cristina: It's pretty thick. Jack: Yes. Even then, at ground zero, it would be so obliterated into nothingness, vaporize into beyond dust, that there would be no evidence it ever existed. Well, a nuke would erase the existence of such a creature at ground zero impact, you make it the target. Boom. Gone. There's no evidence it ever existed. Cristina: So we could have released Godzilla onto Japan and then murdered the Godzilla that we made? Jack: Yes. We didn't make Godzilla. Cristina: Oh yeah, we freed Godzilla, released Godzilla out to Japan, then killed it. Then they made a movie about it. Jack: Yes. Yes. The argument would be that we dropped a Godzilla on Hiroshima on August 9, 1945. And three days later, in Nagasaki in August 9 on 1945, we dropped a nuke to get rid of it, testing our entire scenario. And it worked. And nobody has f***** with us since? Cristina: I guess so. Except everyone keeps making bombs. Jack: Yes. Because they know how to stop it. Cristina: Yes, I guess so. Because they saw that we were able to stop it. Jack: Interesting. Fascinating. Cristina: So all of those bombs are not Nobody's using? Jack: Nope, nobody's Just a single one. Cristina: And also, it's just too Many. Why would you need that? More than one. They're probably country. Jack: Yeah. These are probably controlled nukes to create small blast areas with the same intense energy in the small area. So if you have a lot, you're not causing widespread destruction. Nobody has shot a nuke at anybody anymore. We're waiting. Cristina: For what? For these monsters pop up. Jack: Yes. And we're efficientizing them. We're always making it more efficient. Knowing somebody might have one of these. Cristina: Things, someone might release one. That's the real danger. Jack: Interesting. Cristina: Whoa. That's so crazy. Because we have the most nukes, but we're the one with the obvious amount of creatures. Most likely, too. Jack: Well, we're not. Cristina: I think we are. Jack: We have so many. Oh, so we're just like you guys. Couldn't release one on us for any reason. We'll drop a nuke instantly. Cristina: I think we also are protecting ourselves from our own monsters. Jack: Our monsters. Their release of their monsters on us. Well, now, here's something interesting. We would be screwed in an attack. Because we're thinking a couple of episodes ago, we're doing where would we get attacked through, right? And like, if. What would we do in a scenario like that? We didn't consider something like this. But if something like this were to happen, the most likely location to drop it off would be in the ocean and let it come to us. So they don't have to put themselves in danger. So they would just get close, but they wouldn't hover over our airspace. We drop it in the ocean near us, and it would find land in our direction. Coasts would be f***** up. The coasts are the way in for whatever creatures dropped in the water near us and for land. Cristina: But why are we dropping creatures in the water? Jack: War. What if we're invading the United States? Cristina: We, The United States? Jack: No, like, people. Humans. Oh, humans are invading the United 00:50:00 Jack: States. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: So Russia is like, yeah, let's attack. What if that's what's happening near Alaska right now? And they're hanging out by the water. Cristina: So that we could throw our monster in the water? I don't know. Jack: They've got their monster. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: There's ships and planes. They're surveying our area consistently. They've probably got their creature underwater in some giant cage, and it's probably imprisoned, tied up in some way, and they're just planning and testing to release it. And they could just release it and leave. They don't have to do anything. One day they just leave. A couple of hours later. A couple of days later, something starts attacking Alaska. Cristina: Okay. Jack: I don't know how Canada is going to protect itself, but I guess Canada would be screwed here too. Cristina: They got their own monsters, Hopefully. Jack: They got their own monsters. Hopefully. Unless the point is that Canada doesn't have a way to defend itself. And the only way would be for us to start nuking Canada to kill the creature. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: Which would create an interesting problem. Would we do it? Cristina: I guess that's why we got so much nukes. Jack: I think maybe that's also why our least defended area is the only access point. Because the least amount of people are around the Alaskan area. It's a transport point, but there are the least amount of people in Alaska. If we had to drop a nuke, it would be an easier decision than if it came up through New York City. Cristina: Okay, you get my point? Yeah. Jack: So we make that the easiest attack point, and that's the only likely placer probably to go. Because then we would just start bombing them or dropping our own creatures on them. So then they have to release it over there so that by the time it gets to the water, I mean, it gets to land, starts destroying things locally, we have enough time to react and attack it before it leaves Alaska. And we never have to catch Canada with our nukes. Maybe that's strategic. Cristina: Weird. Jack: But yes, would make sense and would keep the rest of the United States safe. Over. Militarize. All of it. Agree with Canada. We're going to keep that land mass up there and we're going to make it the least defended. You defend your borders like a. But we can nuke that. If they ever drop a creature. Cristina: Do we have creatures on every border then? Jack: Like, we don't. We don't know. We just know they might be dropping a creature on us and that's why they're hovering over there. Cristina: But they are not in Mexico just getting ready to attack us. Jack: Interesting. You think? I mean, that would make sense. Then that would actually explain the wall a little better. Cristina: Yeah, maybe. Jack: Maybe the wall's point was to stop these creatures. Because the creature might not just be destroying for no reason. It's gonna avoid crap. Cristina: Mm. Jack: It's a creature. If you're not controlling it, that's just doing random s***. You build the wall, it might not even try to go over. It might turn away and go somewhere else. Cristina: Interesting. You know, just then, if we're thinking about that, like, maybe all the walls, but then, like, China has walls. Jack: China has walls. They've been doing it since whatever century. Cristina: We know them because the dragons. So like who had the dragons that was attacking China that they decided, let's build some walls, dude. Jack: Even this really ancient place we were researching, the Indian place, Dwarf or whatever from 9,000 BC, had giant double layered walls surrounding them in the water too. Cristina: And it wasn't even just the land that they were protecting. Even the waterside, man. Jack: You know what's crazy, dude? We've also seen many people were f****** with Camaras. The text said so much about chimeras. Cristina: I don't know because I thought these were natural creatures. But then if you start talking about chimeras. That's not natural. Jack: That's not natural. Unless it's creatures we're seeing now are the creatures from back then that they were f****** with. And that's why it would have these abilities. It would be a creature that is some over like leftover relic, ancient scientific experiment. It's not us like our experiment. It had to get to think about the two problems we were trying to solve earlier. How does it have these abilities? Well, we had to make it. How is it its size? No, I had to age to that point. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Solution. It was made and it aged to that point. What does that tell us? It had to be made long ago. Cristina: Okay, One of these ancient civilizations. Jack: And maybe there's a bunch of. Maybe they're everywhere. Some civilizations go underground. Some civilizations can move things to other planets. Maybe us in current day looking at the moon, saw some s*** we shouldn't have because we know there's theories about the other side of the moon, the dark side of 00:55:00 Jack: the moon, which isn't dark because it gets light, but we don't see it. And like, maybe there's something out there. Maybe that's the reason China wanted the return to that side of the moon. Maybe what we saw was like, oh, crap, we don't want to wake that thing up. Or we saw civilization that was like, you guys don't talk about seeing space because they got their creature, whatever the crap might be. Maybe there's creatures like that everywhere, everywhere. And we're just finding them. Some civilizations went extinct. Cristina: So all these fairy tale like creatures that are monsters are not really monsters at all. But then would we put like you said, the Loch Ness monster, And then there's vampires, werewolves, all those other creatures. The Ninja Turtles. No, whatever. Chupacabra. They're like all just ancient experiments. Jack: No, not all ancient experiments, but they're all scientifically explainable. Just like adrenochrome could be scientifically explained to some degree. We don't know what causes all these different things. But I think. I think none of it is magic. And I think we do have maybe current day proof of weird s***. Things we have seen that more than one individual has seen. And there's some kind of proof, whether it be current day photos and things that aren't considered fiction. Nessie's a weird one. Some ancient other kind of creature that. No, it has to be from the past. Everybody assumes has to be. Scientists are like whatever creatures is. Resembles this thing from way long ago. Except it would have had to be even longer ago. Then Dwarka and then the Elysians. It had to be from like Elio's time. Cristina: Okay, Elio. Was he around dinosaurs? Jack: Am I saying that wrong? What the h*** was his name? Loi. Cristina: Loi. Jack: Loi. It could have been from like Loi's time, but still, that's. No, it had to be from millions of years ago. That's a problem. So it would have still even outdated. Loi. No, if 3 million years ago isn't. It still has to be like 150 million years ago. 3 million isn't that long ago compared to a creature that Nessie looks like. So maybe there's crap so long ago has nothing to do with any of those people. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Technology so ancient, that's crazy. Cristina: If it's still technology evolved, I guess. Jack: It would have continued to evolve, you. Cristina: Know, But I don't know. I don't know. Jack: It could have. So somehow. Somehow science was involved in the making of this thing. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Because still. How are you f****** doing it, then? Cristina: Again. Jack: Again, physiologically. I tried to explain it physiologically. Those creatures to shoot things. We know crabs can make explosions into grounds. Really specific ones. Or. I think it's a shrimp or something. And so that's. Some creatures have superpower. Like things spit acid out or whatever. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And. Or some, you know, throw smoke out or whatever ink out. If you can do some kind of air pressure thing where you suck in twice the amount that you push out, then you can push out through a smaller airway, creating more of a pressure. Because more air through a smaller airway goes faster. You get some range. And if you can have some kind of ignition and put into that air that's moving through some kind of flammable air you throw in, there's gas, some flammable gas you throw into the air that you're pushing out, then you can create some kind of flamethrower like thing. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And if it shoots out with enough pressure, the closer to your mouth it is, the more like A laser beam it would be. And the further away, the more like regular, you know, it's less pressure. Farther off, it's more like fire far. So maybe you can get a nice stream that looks like a beam. If your size is big enough from our eyes. If you shot a fire beam and it was the length of like 30 buildings at the peak of your mouth, it's gonna look like a straight out beam, not like a fire blast. Right. Because you're shooting. Because it's closer to whatever spot you're shooting it from. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It's gonna be closer to the shape of the airway you're pushing the air through. Took it look like a beam. There could be explanations all this weird. So what's our landed conclusion? That there's creatures at the center of the earth that have aged for who knows how long. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Countries have found them, some countries have captured them. And likely evidence of this is that Hiroshima had something called the little boy dropped off that we think is a nuke. But it might have been Godzilla and it created nuclear sized destruction. And that three days later after it strolled off, we threw an actual nuke called Fat man to evaporate Godzilla and see if that could work. And it did. And ever since there has been prepared. Everybody's been preparing, Everybody's been making bombs, everybody's been 01:00:00 Jack: making nukes everywhere. All at the same time, just in case, just for the day. Cristina: That makes sense. Jack: And when people are cryptic instead of just saying nukes. So just saying I'll bomb you. When somebody like the North Korean leader is like, I got a present for you. And he says that to Trump, what he's talking about is, you know, you saw the creature. I show you my creature. I got that for you. Cristina: That's weird. Jack: And leaders know, but people don't. Cristina: Leaders are showing each other their creature. Interesting. Because they don't have to show anyone. But they could. Jack: They could, they could, they could. And people aren't gonna talk. Cristina: Yeah. Weird. Okay. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Trump knows about him. Jack: Maybe a bunch. No, Trump would immediately talk. I think Trump wouldn't be able to hold it. I think he would just tell the world in excitement. Cristina: So you don't think he was told yet? Jack: I don't know. Maybe he was. Maybe what we see and what he is are two different things. Who knows? Anyways, we have solved the possibility. So what's the consensus? Is Godzilla real? I, I only if the government has to show us everything because they're doing some cahoots. Cristina: That's the whole point. Yes. The government is just Showing us things that are real. Jack: Yeah. So if that's the case, then Godzilla is real. Yes, because they have to show us everything. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And then that would explain the proof behind Godzilla being real. Cristina: Because the government showed it to us. Jack: The government showed it to us because. Cristina: Obviously they run Hollywood. Jack: Yes. And history shows that, yes, there was definitely some bombs dropped and people saw a lizard in Tokyo. You know, so we got bombs, we got movies, we got evidence everywhere that something happened that they're not telling us. Cristina: But they are telling us just through movies. Okay. Yep. Jack: And the correct story is In August 6, 1945, Godzilla was released on Hiroshima. Godzilla wandered the island past Tokyo and got to Nagasaki, where he was finally nuked. Cristina: Yes. That is the story. The unofficial true story. Jack: That is the unofficial true story of Godzilla. Okay. I'm glad you guys made it with us through this to discover what really happened here. This was important. Cristina: It was. Jack: We've established details that matter to the people of Earth, and now we know true military capabilities of a lot of countries. It's way worse than a nuke. You wouldn't think so, but if you don't have to keep firing and you can just release a thing that could only be killed if you nuke your own people. Cristina: Yeah, that's pretty crazy. Jack: Yeah, that goes hard. Cristina: That goes hard. Jack: It's just gonna keep destroying until you nuke it. Guys, you got to nuke your own people. Enjoy. Explain that to your civilians later. Cristina: Yep. It's. It's. It's what's happening. Jack: It's what's happening. Cristina: It happened. Jack: Fire. That's crazy. That's such a solid military tactic. I guess that's why bioweapons are really overpowered. You want people to have to attack their own people. That's winning a war. Cristina: That is insane. Jack: That's. Yeah, you won. If you gotta start attacking your own people, whoever did that to you, they won. That's fire. They don't have to worry about themselves anymore. You're too distracted dealing with you crazy. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Bioweapons. Resident Evil had the right idea. Cristina: Again, bioweapons. Jack: The way to go. Anyways, if you guys think that we missed something important here that should have happened as a natural development of Godzilla or some other proof that maybe exists. Cristina: In the world 100% right that we're right. Jack: If you can help us justify this, let us know. Reach out to us. You could do that on our socials, at just convo pod, on Tik Tok, Instagram, on X, and on Facebook, wherever. Just type our name. Cristina: You'll find everywhere. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Remember to subscribe. Right. And review the show. Jack: Yes. And word of mouth is really overpowered. Tell everybody about the program and the fact that we have absolutely given. Given you nothing but solid fact and proof that Godzilla was real and a timeline that you could throw in people's faces and show them, look, this is proof. And when they're like, you're using a weird kind of confirmation bias, looking for evidence to prove your argument instead of disprove it, you tell them what is proof of your beliefs. And they're going to be like, good point. But you're being absurd. And you're going to say, I can back these thoughts up with science. Can you? And that argument is gonna win. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Because they're gonna 01:05:00 Jack: be like, I can't. Even if they know inherently, it might make more sense. In your total argument, you've used nothing but science. Even if applying it only where. Only where very convenient. And ignoring the areas that would make it unconvenient, you'd be the only one in the conversation with science. Cristina: Ridiculous. Okay. This has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Jack: Bye. Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. 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June 01, 2024

Rambling 276: The Point of Gaza

June 01, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

What is the true purpose of what’s happening in Gaza? Do we have similar examples? And if we do, what is Israel really doing and who really are they? The duo now with answers to move forward, evolve the nature of their questioning taking them straight to present day to some astounding revelations. An episode which completely reframes all that is known and reveals dark coming truths for humanity!

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The Gaza Prison State
Israel Origins
Genocide vs Experiment
Who’s the Kingpin?
Prophecies Line Up
The True Big Picture

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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we discuss humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And, like, we've been talking a lot for years at this point, literally.

Cristina: Has that been years?

Jack: It's literally years. It's literally been years. At this point, it's been like two years. Okay, yeah, about the same s***.

Cristina: But I thought we escaped it. We. I haven't escaped it.

Jack: I thought we escaped it, too. I thought we escaped it, too. I thought we escaped it, too. But the lingering question was, right, we solved the bunch, figured out a lot. But there was this question about Yahweh in specific, right? Like, we still don't know a lot about him. And there was a situation about the Tower of Babel that I wanted to talk about before, if you remember. And so the basic premise of that discussion, I'm gonna rush through it because it's useless. I just need you to understand the premise, right? The idea was the Tower of Babel, that Yahweh specifically had a. These desolation guy, and there's a bunch of people who are building a tower to reach him. This metaphor of a tower must have been literally trying to get this amounted or something, presumably.

Cristina: Okay, right.

Jack: And in the text, it says that he switched their language so they couldn't communicate and work together to continue to build it. That was his solution to the problem. But really, when you look at the depictions, the images that were used in description with those in sync with that time, those kind of look like satellites. So it's more like he was destroying their communication and towers and s***. Right?

Cristina: Do you have pictures of this?

Jack: What are you talking about? It was just, like, images and drawings and then descriptions of them and just a bunch of random bits and pieces. But that's not even what matters because. And we've seen this a thousand times in a million different places. It's interesting, but it's actually not the important thing, because the important thing comes down to what's happening right now. Because it's happening right now with simply following Yahweh. Because following Yahweh, one thing came to mind. Whose God is Yahweh? And he's the God of the Jews. Okay, right, The God of the Jews. So I'm like, okay, coincidence, right? Because the Jews and the Israelis aren't necessarily the same thing.

Cristina: Okay, so you're Going back to what we were talking about last episode kind of sort.

Jack: Right. So the Jews and the Israeli aren't necessarily the same thing. Israel is a new concept. Jews are not. Those are two different concepts. Who we identify as Jews now might not be the state of Israel, might be what we discussed. Right. But Jews, their God was Yahweh. Now current day Jews have a more abstract, ambiguous, kind of less directly spoken of God, but it's almost assumed it's Yahweh, but it's kind of like pretty removed a lot of the time. And Yahweh isn't really the God that is addressed even within the Jewish community. Well, Jehovah. Oh, that's a weird little alteration. Right.

Cristina: When did that happen?

Jack: Well, that happened kind of in modern time, generally speaking, all of Israel kind of always not Jews, but the state of Israel itself. Them, they've always been sort of Jehovah kind of people. Not a New Testament kind of people. They still follow Old Testament. It's still Jewish. But he just kind of say Jehovah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that's cool and fine, but old Jews used to say Yahweh. Weird, tiny discrepancy. I'm just pointing that out, you know.

Cristina: But it changes in the first book. The Old Testament?

Jack: Yeah. Oh, the original swap, it was used kind of interchangeably in the first one. In the first one. But the Jews of that time used Yahweh. They used Yahweh. The people of that time used Yahweh. Even if both exist.

Cristina: And the Old.

Jack: Yes, they would. They would defer to Yahweh first.

Cristina: Okay, and what was the other name?

Jack: The other name is Jehovah.

Cristina: Okay, Right.

Jack: So there was still a distinction. They felt one was superior to the other.

Cristina: Even though it's the same person.

Jack: No one's the father and the other is the son. Wait, Yahweh is Jehovah's father?

Cristina: Okay. No, I mean in the book, though. It's not really. It's the same person in the book.

Jack: Well, let me trip you out. The Jews already knew this and have kind of a tree in some form where they've kind of linguistically divided it. They already believe Yahweh is above Jehovah. They don't say one is. They're even related. But conceptually they've actually divided and created a distinction between that within how they explain their religion to people and how they preach it. There's a clear distinction between those two entities.

Cristina: Are you sure?

Jack: Yes. And people have related their sort of explanation of it. To father and son.

Cristina: But those people don't believe there's a father and a son.

Jack: No, they don't. They, the Jews themselves don't use that terminology. That's people trying to relate it to. Like, this is the best way I can explain the same idea.

Cristina: That's strange. Okay.

Jack: Juicer way thought out. They're above everybody. They're essentially following not even of religion as much as what seems to be a literal map of what kind of reality exists upon. They don't believe in a heaven per se. They believe there's a possible maybe something.

Cristina: Possibly something which sounds like.

Jack: Well, it depends on what you do. And what does that sound like? Well, are you going to just dissipate in peace or go to some kind of hellish place which isn't literally h***, it's some kind of other place like. That sounds like their belief. It's just some maybe something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And okay, that lines up. And they're not like, well, we can't really comprehend God.

Cristina: He's just another thing they worship. You're saying people. Yes, but those people are from the sea people. They're worshiping sea people at the end of the day, like did the ancient ones. Were they actually worshipping sea people?

Jack: Worship is our interpretation of it. Keep in mind, when we're referring to gods, the word God ultimately devolves down to the original root of person of intellect, person of authority, elite person of power. It's just with time and losing things and pieces here and there, you don't. People don't see the whole picture, which was our job.

Cristina: Okay. But in the last episode, we decided those were actually shadow people.

Jack: It seems to be that. Yes. That the state of Israel is shadow people. Yes.

Cristina: Well, does that make sense, though?

Jack: It makes sense when they are described specifically as the ones from the other side by everybody else.

Cristina: But once upon a time they had communication with the sea people.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And they were worshiping them.

Jack: No, they're not worshiping the sea people. Where are you getting the worship?

Cristina: Well, they felt some kind of way towards them, that they were above them.

Jack: Yes, they definitely. It's possible that because of the technology. Keep in mind that these are the oppressors.

Cristina: But they still.

Jack: We look at it like they're describing gods. We never said their gods are good to them. In fact, all of these people think these gods are monstrous and will hurt you. The word God does not mean benevolent in any instance, we've used it. And also, we don't even mean God when we use it. Okay, but every time we've used God. All those people think, oh, he's wrathful and gonna murder you. So none of them are like, we worship this guy. They're more like, we're gonna follow his orders. Cuz f*** that.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: You get my point. There's no worship in this old school. People weren't dumb like that. They weren't like, we got a war. They don't believe this s***. People nowadays do. People nowadays are idiots. They're like, no, there was a literal deity or something. These people were like, no. Those people basically own all this s*** that says I can't do anything about it. So I'm just gonna do whatever they want me to do because they don't need me. And it's really easy to get rid of me, so I'll be as useful as possible.

Cristina: But then something happened and that changed.

Jack: The Great War. The unification is what I'm calling it. The great Unification that happened at some point between, just by chance, between the year 6 BC and 4 AD which weirdly enough happens to coincide with the migration of the random group of people. We can tell because of the genetic marker of the J1 that comes from the neck of the Persian Gulf oasis, leaving around 6 BC to sometime around 4 AD and breaking up into three groups that scatter north, west and southwest, landing in Gaza. See, and at the same time, all mention of Elysians ceases. Everywhere the sudden beginning mentions of Israel first happen and we get the invention of the first ever, consistently always foreign own slave state. Now this is incredibly important because of what's happening in this slave state. This slave state is a very interesting location. Again, just following the train of thought of Yahweh, I come to the Jews and then the Jews just happen to be related to the Israelis because, you know, logistically in the same location.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So I then start looking at the Jews because I'm not really paying attention to the Israelis. Really. We just quickly address the fact that they might just be shadow people who joined the group of people who were against the Elysians to begin with.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which checks out. It makes sense as a strategic approach in life. You know, join the people who aren't the. Who are the good people in your eyes as compared to who are the bad people in everybody's eyes. You know, it's a great war, everybody's friends. Yeah, it makes sense. And so the Jews, notorious for definitely not being on the Elysian side, okay, you know, is who these Rayleigh state, AKA a bunch of shadow people who then turn themselves into just normal day humans. It coexists. It makes perfect sense. Right?

Cristina: Right.

Jack: But we have this state. And I think about what we were talking about last time, Right. We're talking about the migration pattern and how it broke up into these three different things. But a question came to me after the episode, which unpacking, the question got really, really, really dark, really, really quickly. Ran. I asked, but how do we know there's migration patterns if we killed them off? And that's the ones that are left, minus the ones that got away elsewhere. Right. Well, what's the migration pattern? It's DNA traces over time. So it took them time, they migrated at normal people speeds. They were trying to blend in. Right.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But we can trace their DNA with current day science. We couldn't then. They had that science, but they knew we didn't.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they blended in the people and made their way out. Hence the slow migration. They impregnated women throughout the time. Some blended in, whatever. They diluted themselves and disappeared into the populations. We can trace where the purity kept going as the line kept moving. So why didn't we eradicate those people? Right. We can trace the same J1 marker.

Cristina: Mm. You're saying those people as in the other two locations?

Jack: Yeah, the other two paths of the J1. A variation of DNA that we don't. We haven't killed those people that have it. But we know we don't follow the migration line. We just know that there is the Gaza line, the Gaza spot and where it began. And we got those other two lines. The two lines. We don't eradicate any of that. And the line in Gaza going to Gaza. No. But we have Gaza trapped. What's the difference from Gaza and those lines? And I had a theory about this. And then when I thought about this theory, I didn't looked into it, into how things work in it. Well, I didn't look into how things work. I looked into my theory and it told me how things work. I'll explain.

Cristina: You looked into your own theory?

Jack: Yes, I looked into my own theory. I looked at aspects of my theory.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Did some research.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And found weirder things about how things work.

Cristina: All right, and what was your theory?

Jack: So current day Israel is holding hostage current day Gaza.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We all know this. There's a blockade. Everybody else is kind of like let it happen, but what's really happening. Right. So currently Israel has currently Gaza just nice and boxed in. And I was looking at patterns. What often does this and for what purposes? Might somebody else.

Cristina: Trap another country or.

Jack: Something like not necessarily Country. I'm trying to remove myself from any idea that might connect back to war. I try to always remove myself to get different perspective. So what paths can lead to it, to a similar look? Well, scientists, oftentimes that's an initial. Once I saw scientists, I was like, let me click that f****** thing right there, bruh. Scientists tend to isolate a specific genetic variant in order to preserve just its evolutionary concentration. Right. What does this mean? We can have a pure version of something that's less influenced by the external world.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Fact, we can trace the genetic markers because of the migration line. Fact, there are two genetic variants, the lines themselves and the B1. B that came from the J1, that exists only in Gaza, which is sort of refined alternative. Just purified there by itself. Not purified, but it's more pure than the rest of us. Just a more concentrated version of the J1. Interesting. Why do scientists do this? Well, they do that to research these specific things. Okay. Yeah. When you have like a creature in isolation, you have less influence from the external world. This is great for genetics and things when you're studying biology and stuff, not when you're studying natural responses and psychology and behaviors. Because isolation is bad.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But you can create sort of a fake habitat and have them enclose within that fake habitat, which isn't really fake habitat. It's natural environment usually just protected from anybody going in or out. Then in that controlled environment, they're sort of less exposed to the outside world, but you still have access to the creature sort of living in its natural environment, staying as natural as possible. And this is usually how we preserve things from going extinct. What does preserving something from going extinct mean? The bird, the animal, the dog, the cat, whatever, isn't going to mate with some other things. It's going to mate with its own kind because it's trapped inside these walls with its own kind and it can multiply into more pure versions of itself.

Cristina: We do that with animals.

Jack: We do that with animals all the time. That's what natural preserves, enclosures are. Animals can keep reproducing among themselves and not diluting themselves. And that's sort of what's happening genetically inside of Gaza. We can tell that the people there have a specific, more concentrated version of a very specific genetic marker. They happen to have started at Persian Gulf Oasis.

Cristina: You think that's important to why they're being trapped in the first place?

Jack: Yes, because now I have to talk numbers again. This was just what, what might look like this in the world. And it led to scientists this Led me to the next point, which is essentially just a numbers question. Right. Once I start discussing the numbers, you're gonna get a lot of where I'm going with this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Right. All right. 7 million humans is one instance. 50 million Neanderthals is another instance. And about a hundred to a thousand alfamers is another instant. These are different variations, different quantities that it took to create different stones.

Cristina: Okay. Oh, duh. Oh, duh. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. So 7 million humans. It's the most recent stone we can, like, track. That was pretty big.

Cristina: How many people are there?

Jack: It's getting to the hundreds of thousands.

Cristina: That feels like not enough.

Jack: Well, let's talk about these numbers again.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It was the most primitive stone we can think of before the concept of our time existing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Before, the concept of our time existing was a thousand. Roughly a thousand. The most could have been a thousand based on what's left in disgust. Elfamers. About a thousand. Very small number. Very primitive. S***** stone.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Very low number. Really good stone. It couldn't make a universe.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Ooh, Kind of interesting.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: 50 million Neanderthals. Whack DNA takes a lot. Stone was so s*****, it took another try.

Cristina: Yeah, okay.

Jack: S***. You know, too whack of DNA. It's.

Cristina: But this is not whack DNA.

Jack: We're going back up, right? Because the most recent human stones was against Jews, right? 7 million. Using the Jews. Right. Using what? Specific Jews. Right. The Jews of Israel. Right. Those are what? Those are just gin, Right. That's a really strong stone. Right. So if you're gonna retaliate, you need a pretty strong f****** stone. Right? But you've always had your f****** ace in your back pocket. And we're talking scales of hundreds of thousands of years. This is a quick retaliation. Oof. Not really. Hundreds of thousands, Usually thousands of years. But yeah, a hundred years is a quick retaliation. It's really, really quick. Okay, so we're talking that these guys are making a pretty overpowered stone. If you're using Elysian DNA to make it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's. Potentially. They're calculating. The strongest stone ever made use is the equivalent of the weapons of mass destructions that we think exists, but secretly in the background. This is the real power. This is what people are really scared of. This is the true fear. And the problem is there's a very reminiscent thought that just happens to be a cartoon that really gives me a really good image of what's happening and why other people might already be stepping back. Because a lot of people stepped back right at the Beginning. And they're like, f***, bro. But why?

Cristina: Seem like some people are trying.

Jack: Yes, but what is the caution? Right? We know. We know a lot already. It's possible that these are just op gin. The tech is already up there. We can't do anything about these people to begin with. But there was a very vivid image I have, if you remember in Full Metal Alchemist, what made the military particularly dangerous?

Cristina: The fake stones. They're not fake, but, like, they had real stones, but they were wax stones.

Jack: They were small stones.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Ring size, like a diamond ring.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Tiny stones. Yeah, but they were real stones. But what about the stones made it great? Then everybody had one. The generals of every group, soldiers had guns, but the guy at the top of every tree, he had a stone. He worked his way to a stone, and he had to learn alchemy and do his homework.

Cristina: I think they just have a bunch of little stones.

Jack: I think we are in a situation where they've learned to casualize the ability to use these stones. And we've witnessed the flex. Like, maybe they've had it. And that's why we've been like, well, we're not gonna do it. They come from the other side, and they just become human. I think since that point, since the formation of Israel, they've had this, and nobody's gonna touch them. And then the first people to try their best to do so. Well, I mean, the state of Israel gets formed after N*** Germany.

Cristina: Right.

Jack: Didn't even exist until then. It's a response to that.

Cristina: Okay, you think they have stones, though?

Jack: I think at that point. I think at that point, they have stones. The state of Israel is controlled by essentially, quote, the generals with the stones, unquote, which are not really generals or military figures, but rather people of importance who have the ability to do real important damage on an interestingly overpowered scale. And that because of this, everybody has always just kind of done whatever. But the moment finally came. They told us, oh, yeah, we'll end this for you, but one day we're gonna do the thing. Because we have to.

Cristina: I don't want to just like, whatever.

Jack: And like, yeah, we're like, whatever. We'll deal with it then solve the problem now. Because we're stupid humans. We're stupid f****** humans. We're dumb. We think so. Short term, it's ridiculous. Part of the lifespan is retarded short. So, like, what the f*** would we do?

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: You know, we think in our. In the terms of our lifespan, they're thinking in the terms of theirs it's not the same to them. That short blip is really tiny scoped. But no, we, we considered our whole life. It's like you're just considering a longer span and you're judging us. But ultimately these guys, no one can do anything. Nobody can do anything. And I think that's the big problem. And right now they are starting to form a really overpowered stone, more powerful than any that has been formed until now.

Cristina: Where? What, what are they gonna do then? What. What's the next step? They make the stone and then what?

Jack: I don't know. We'll just won't hear about them. It'll go back to normal. No, they won't leave. It'll just quiet down. They're gonna get their thing accomplished and that's it.

Cristina: You think they won't just escape out of here or something like the next step like all everyone else with their stones?

Jack: Yes, but not in our time. Time span. We're not going to see that happen. Oh, the next. Keep in mind they're performing at their time span, not ours. We're thinking, oh, within our time span of life. We don't know. We're not gonna see that happen.

Cristina: But it's gonna happen eventually.

Jack: Presumably. Yeah, within a couple of hundred years to a few thousand years or some thinking hundreds of years. Based on the time scope that we see, everything happens within dozens to hundreds. It seems to be the regular time frame of LEAPS. 300 years seems to be the average good jump from one point to another.

Cristina: That's crazy though. That's crazy.

Jack: What?

Cristina: That they're just making a stone?

Jack: Yeah. But it kind of checks out, right?

Cristina: Just waiting for the stone to be made.

Jack: Yeah. And this question was just stuck in my head when I was just wondering.

Cristina: What could they possibly be doing?

Jack: Not even what could they be doing, but why. Why did I know about the. The path of DNA?

Cristina: What did you know?

Jack: Well, I didn't know. I did research.

Cristina: Why did someone know?

Jack: Yeah, why did. Why did ancestry look at this? How did. What was the point? How did they get. Not why, obviously I don't know why they looked at everyone. How did they know that that existed? Right, but what's the answer to the question is because there's people with the DNA. So wait, you didn't kill everybody with the DNA? Duh. So then what does that mean? That means that there's something specific about the people over there.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So then what's specific about the people over there? That's not. You're just imprisoning the ones you could catch. No, there's a. There were a bunch. And you ignored them. You caught some for a reason. And then I was like, why the. What else could look like this? Well, scientists do this to preserve things, to keep things purer, which we can prove because they actually have a more concentrated version of the same DNA. And what does adrenochrome work with? It works with blood.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the higher quality of the blood, the better the stone, which is proven. Although never discussed explicitly other than through the events. But the numbers line up with the events. You need less numbers if you have a purer blood and you usually use a stone and some other kind of thing to try to make a purer creature to then use to make a better stone. There's a process they were always going through.

Cristina: Mm. So there's gonna be something next, then? Yes, next evolution is coming up.

Jack: It depends how long it takes from the stone.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because. Yes, that was the other problem. Right. I'm like, okay, so the state of Israel happens, and then we discuss that, and we ignore the one fact that happens. Following that logic. Well, that group of individuals is what then? Well, the ones who could cross and turn themselves. Those are the elite scientists. That's also why those are the ones we're scared of. Those are currently the strongest, most powerful thing out here. Those are the ones who are gonna take the place of the Elysians. That's why everybody's horrified, too, because what we stopped is starting again.

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: And we're watching it happen. And we know at any moment it could be f****** any of us. But we helped them, and now we have to pay. It's essentially the demon crossroads problem.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I will reward you with whatever the f*** you want right now, but I am coming for you.

Cristina: And that's pretty much what happened. Okay. Yeah. Everyone had a problem.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: The humans came and, like, we can help you.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Oh, crap. Oh, crap. Mel. Are gonna be our problem. And we just got to watch and wait. That's weird. It's really strange. Yeah.

Jack: And it's weird because they didn't even help us stop the Alicians. They helped us to stop the Germans. That's it. They rolled up and helped to stop other humans. It was easy for them to do. So easy for them to do. They did it through the United States. So easy for them to do. Simple. Simple, effortless. Because what? We can push humans around like nothing, but we're coming for you.

Cristina: That's crazy. That's too crazy.

Jack: We successfully spent almost 2000 years. Well, I guess we didn't make it the 2000 years roughly because that was sometime in the 40s and now it's 2024. So you know we, we cleared the 2000 year mark of having suppressed the issue, but we made a deal with the devil and not really. They're not bad people. We gotta continue the thought creatures that can easily do the thing aren't thinking of us as people. That's really all that's happening.

Cristina: We're not equal to them.

Jack: We're not equal. We're smaller, less significant things that could be easily manipulated.

Cristina: Which we were.

Jack: Which we were. And we're still being. So it's pretty cut and dry. And the moment finally arrived then we're watching it happen and we're kind of all shook but talking about in the background like how do we stop it? We can't, we can't just jump in. It would be too easy for them to end it all right now and go start somewhere else. It would be too easy. We invited this in. So how do we think our way out of the problem? First point of action.

Cristina: You have a plan?

Jack: Well, no, this is the p. This is, I'm assuming the world at the moment.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: First point of action. The people of Gaza are f*****. We just have to let that happen. So that's a distraction while we talk, while we plan.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: While we figure it out. That's our timeline. Because one, we already can't stop them. Two once that's done, we'll never stop them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we gotta move to Mars. That's a, that's a possibility for sure. And the fact that. So the, the second thing, I don't know if you've looked at this and we can. If you want to.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Many, many, many, many, many billionaires and high hundred multi millionaires have been buying bunkers and buying seats to go visit Mars.

Cristina: That's not shocking, but okay. What can we do with that though?

Jack: Just all been happening. Buying seeds to leave the planet. Buying seeds to go underground.

Cristina: Yeah, because they know.

Jack: Because they know.

Cristina: What can you do? I don't know. It's very Egypt and my. What's the other people? Males.

Jack: Also how reminiscent of Horizon zero Dawn is the Mayans solution to hiding from the incoming apocalypse that they were experiencing.

Cristina: Yeah. And then the other people that went into space.

Jack: And then the other people went to space. Egyptians.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: No, it always, it's always the same. It's always the same. It's literally history repeating itself.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just away from baseland. That's it.

Cristina: And it's gonna happen.

Jack: And it's gonna happen again. Holy. We're seeing history happen again.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What the.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, that's crazy. That's really cool.

Cristina: That's cool that it happened in Horizon. We didn't even realize it.

Jack: Yeah. That's pretty badass. Good on them. That's fire. That's fire. I like that. D***. And we have neither.

Cristina: Neither. No.

Jack: No. Because we know the base is. That's just happening. So this is getting wiped out. We're part of the you're f***** group.

Cristina: No, we're not. We have.

Jack: Our bunk is not deep enough. We're not like Illuminati bunk. Our bunk is like, meh. Like a good. Like a missile directly hitting our territory.

Cristina: We can hide in one of the many locations where the Loch Ness monsters were protecting those random labs.

Jack: No, that's fair.

Cristina: Is that good?

Jack: Yeah. 100. And we're some of the only people who even know how to reach that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Then that's kind of fire.

Cristina: We have something that's fair.

Jack: That makes a lot of sense. We act fair enough. We actually have a lot of. We could do the spacing too. That just kind of sucks.

Cristina: Does this look. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. Like, we can just use the. The pyramid and like, warp out. But the problem is we sent a whole group of people there and that's just still nothing. So, like. Nah.

Cristina: We could some. No. How could we. Because we haven't figured it out. Travel to the place of the people that are listening to us.

Jack: Oh, crap. You mean Universe Three?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I don't even know how we would accomplish that.

Cristina: That's an idea. Very Full Metal Alchemist, then.

Jack: Yeah. Escape through those means hop through a portal or somehow. I mean, anything. Right? Because what's coming. Ultimately a group of people who are way more powerful than us are going to begin experimenting to advance their civilization, I guess. Or themselves to get out of here.

Cristina: Probably like everyone else. But out of this reality into Althaim?

Jack: I don't even know. Well. What. You pose a different argument, which we're still looking into, which is that it's not just out, but it's also creating universes of their own.

Cristina: Oh yeah.

Jack: And it's like. That's even more valuable because many of.

Cristina: Us do they have to sacrifice to do that?

Jack: How many of us do they have to sacrifice to do that? Keep in mind it looks like earthrealm itself is some sort of farm of elf fame. People of some degree. We're all sharing somehow that DNA. And the lesions are the Purest version of that.

Cristina: It's complicated.

Jack: Yeah. So, like, if you're trying to make something pure and then make a universe, you come here to do it. You leave the shadow realm, you come here.

Cristina: That makes sense.

Jack: And then you find the purest thing here, which are the people of Gaza.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: S***. Just so happens to be where they're at and exactly who they happen to be killing. What the f***?

Cristina: To make a new something. Yeah.

Jack: Just so happens to be what's happening. What the f*** are the odds?

Cristina: It makes sense though, right?

Jack: What the f***? Unless it's the most exact coincidence in all the f****** time. It is step by step what would need to happen. And it is literally what is happening.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So, like, I don't know what to tell you guys. If there was ever a clearer image of some weird supernatural that just so happens to not be. I mean, at this point, I don't even think about it as supernatural. I've. It. I've rationalized it into technology.

Cristina: Yeah, me too.

Jack: You know, like, I've seen enough. I've seen it. We've seen images of literal tech. Our attack, it's just not our tech. It's just not our tech. But it's just foreign enough that it looks like magic. But then we look at it and it's like, well, that guy wasn't shooting energy out of a pot because magic. No, there was a. It was a battery, bro. And we saw it and we saw the inside. It's like, oh, I get it now. And then. Oh, my God, the staff. And he was controlling magnetism and electricity. Well, it was a staff wrapped in coils with a metal rod inside of it. And he was in an area that was intentionally built with a magnetic sphere around it, bouncing electrical currents that he could then manipulate with the rod. It was intentional. Yes. Of course it looked like he was controlling it, because that was the f****** goal of the technology. It's like, oh, with enough time and enough different angles of literally seeing it. Yeah. I no longer see it as magic and stuff.

Cristina: But we're in danger.

Jack: Oh, yeah, We're. We're. We're very. I don't know how we would solve this problem other than leaving, which seems to be what everybody who doesn't want.

Cristina: To bother seems like the problem. I mean, the solution. It seems like what everyone's doing is it's got to be out. No up or down, up or down.

Jack: But I'll tell you one thing. The last uprising worked.

Cristina: The last up. Right.

Jack: Think about it. The last uprising worked. Although these guys Jumped on the opportunity to capture a group of them because they knew what was coming. They knew. Wait, you guys will jump, we'll help you guys. And we're gonna trap this group of people. Anybody can own this s***. But we're eventually going to show up and we're going to establish ourselves and this group of people. We want that this group of people, you need to make sure that group of people 1 stay pure. We don't give a f*** who owns that group of people. It stays f****** pure or we eat you guys instead.

Cristina: What do you mean by an uprising?

Jack: The uprising that happened at the time of Jesus, when the Alicians were first broadcasted to the world their location and that the big war happened and that at that point, these people, these jinn who assisted in the act, who were the shadow gods, they show up and they help with this situation to suppress the Elysians, because they weren't even with them, they're against them. Right? So they roll up, they help the people. We successfully suppress the Alicians, they give one rule for their whole thing eventually. We want that group of people. So you keep that group of people? Yeah, that's why we've seen that their DNA manages to be completely purified, essentially. Well, not purified, but still diluted, but way less than the rest of us. And it simultaneously managed to be owned by different people, which you think it would mix and be diluted. But still with regardless of whose hands it was in, they followed the one rule of that stays pure.

Cristina: Okay, right.

Jack: And then World War II happens, they roll up, help solve the problem. Now we got the straight of Israel, totally unrelated to f****** Gaza. Just okay, but unrelated to f****** Gaza. They're just. Yeah, we're just taking. We just. We just own that now, guys. And everybody's like, well, they just own that now, guys. We don't. Yep, that's what it is. What the f***?

Cristina: I mean, it was theirs before they got there.

Jack: I guess that's the argument. But there's no such thing. Palestine always owned Gaza. Israel doesn't exist. In fact, Israel is a chunk of Palestine.

Cristina: Oh, but how, what can you do about shadow people?

Jack: Well, we know an uprising happened and succeeded at the time of Jesus. And it was for somebody more powerful, so much more powerful that even the shadow people jumped in to assist stopping the problem.

Cristina: But the shadow people were helping us with the sea people.

Jack: Yes, and then they rolled up and assisted for World War II. And then.

Cristina: Are you saying that someone else or something else is gonna help us with them?

Jack: No, I'm Saying that we still managed to stop the sea people. So an uprising succeeded. So an uprising can succeed, but it.

Cristina: Was with help of outsiders. I don't know.

Jack: Yes, but presumably those outsiders at. No, man, I was. My point went out the window once I thought about it right now. Because I'm gonna say those outsiders at that point were about as technologically advanced as we are now. But that's a lie. They were definitely way ahead of where we are now, even. Yeah, by like, a lot. Yeah, maybe not by like a lot.

Cristina: But like, enough from them to be able to change their bodies from whatever they were to whatever we are.

Jack: Like, we're looking at their, like, crazy tech. Yeah, they're like 2,000 years. No. Yeah, because we gotta think that they were really. When we see them swinging some kind of real ham of technology, it's like still 12, 000 years.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's like fog. Okay, so 12, 000 years before we.

Cristina: Get the crisis, hope that the sea people that are hiding pops up and defends us from them.

Jack: Why would they defend us?

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: You know what's confusing about this? Because Jehovah was like, but you're killing the people and giving them the technology. But I guess when you think about it, it's more about we can't harvest them if they're dead. Yeah, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like, why are you killing the cattle, bro? We can't keep killing the cattle, bro.

Cristina: You can't keep killing.

Jack: It's like. Is that. I guess. Yeah, I guess you could still explain it away. Fair enough. Fair enough. I was gonna try to jump on his defense now, but no, he's still pretty horrible because he was f******. Because I'm like, why is he experimenting on us and then defending us? And it's like, oh, no, he's just making sure we don't die.

Cristina: Yeah, you need some of us alive to continue experimenting.

Jack: Yeah. And you can't just f****** give them all tech and then they all collapse. Yeah, the whole line of the f****** equator, except the Alicia. The Egyptians collapse. Everybody. All of them. Except the Egyptians, of course. Of course. Stop, bro. Lucifer, homie. Come on, bro. I know you mean well, dog. Look, look, Dab me up, bro. You know, I. I respect what you're trying to do, bro, but you keep killing them and, like, they're just f****** dumb creatures, bro. Don't give them this s*** and then show them, and then they're just gonna try to kill the next guy.

Cristina: Yeah, it was just death. Like, if it was making stones, at least that'd be cool, but, like, it was wasted death.

Jack: It was wasted death. Exactly. Just trying to make intelligence happen. And it's like, come on, bro, it takes time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or jump on board the project of breeding something that could learn faster, which is what everybody's trying to do. Why are you just trying to. I guess the shortcut. Fair enough.

Cristina: How they're here.

Jack: Okay. I lost a little respect for him. Fair enough. Fair enough. I see the problem. I see the problem. If we're people of honor and everybody else is doing the hard work and this m*********** is like. But maybe one of them will just miraculously work out and then we'll be done and. Except that never really happened. Playing the slow game might have worked out, but why? Because the ones that went to Norway and the ones that went to the Atlantic can monitor us and watch us and see where we're all. We're almost there anyways. Playing the slow game. Yeah.

Cristina: No countless of deaths involved, except for.

Jack: Like, what we caused to ourselves. And now the problem. Showing the shortcuts. Showing up again.

Cristina: Yeah, the shortcut. Yeah.

Jack: Oh, s***.

Cristina: That is always a danger.

Jack: That is always a danger. Oh, my God. There was a good guy.

Cristina: Ooh.

Jack: Well, it wasn't a good guy. There was a bad guy because a bunch of amoral s*** happening.

Cristina: Yes. So you can't really say anyone was specifically a good guy. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. That's fair. That's fair. So there was a bunch of amoral s*** and then one exceptionally s***** guy who was like. But the shortcut to being immoral.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, if a bunch of them died. Cool, man. But some of them will work out. It's like, what the f***?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Yeah, I guess that's kind of s*****. That's pretty bad.

Cristina: It's pretty bad. Yeah.

Jack: He seems. I guess. Oh, man. Lucifer is clever, Right? Because also the way the argument gets twisted by his point of view is he means well. He wants you to know stuff, but he excludes what the cost is.

Cristina: Death.

Jack: Death, most likely.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He leaves that part out.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, it looks. It looks great. When you look, you don't see the results.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Hey, everybody, eat the fruit. You'll know everything if it doesn't kill you. Is the whole sentence.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: You know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's really the whole sentence. Hey, everybody, eat the fruit. You'll know everything. And then he just, like, you know, mumbled the rest of it. Hey, everybody. Everybody, eat the fruit. You'll know everything. And.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, and it's like, what?

Cristina: We had, like, a giant contract, you Gotta accept. But you don't read all the terms. And somewhere in the back it was like.

Jack: And it was, it wasn't even in the back. It was just really exceptionally small and in parentheses and in the corner so it looks like an explanation to some other. And you're like, well no, I, I understood. I don't have to read the explanation because they lie to you. And like the first five times you see that same format of really tiny in parentheses in the corner. It was an explanation. And you tuned out by the third one. But the fourth one, that's the one that was actually the unrelated true clause.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That you never read because you tuned out. You're like, it's more explanations. And that was clear enough. You know, just.

Cristina: That's exactly what happened.

Jack: That's exactly what he does. He's just smart enough to. He's Fox versus cnm. It's the same information. But you know, he decided to just say but I give you information all the time. And like nothing else.

Cristina: He's as bad as our journalism.

Jack: He's. He's as bad as our journalism. A thousand percent.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That is a fact. I mean. But all sides are. Everybody's just painting their picture.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. Yeah.

Jack: We can't trust any of it. We've even come across any of this information grabbing a thousand different sources at the same time and cross reference all of it. Because everybody's lying all the time. Only what everybody agrees on can we say is true. The rest is twisted by everybody.

Cristina: That's a lot.

Jack: Yeah. Basically, if it's about group A, I need to see what group B and C say. Because group A lied about it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it can't. If group A is talking about group B then I can't ask group B either. I have to look at what group C and D believe about the situation between group A and B. It's the only way I can tell the truth. Cuz both those m************ are gonna be biased as f***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's the only way to ever get data.

Cristina: And that's two will also be a little bit biased because they're getting something out of it.

Jack: Yes. They only wrote it down because of the benefit to.

Cristina: So you know. Exactly.

Jack: You gotta get far enough. That's the problem. If you get too far, the information falls apart. And if you get too close, well, the information falls apart. It's just all lies.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So you need to have this medium of like, I'm far enough that it's not just propaganda and I'm close enough that it's not just random gibberish.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So it's like a cohesive. I can get enough at this distance, perspectives. It looks right. And I get a whole image, which is a pain in the a** that we have to do this all the time.

Cristina: But what's our job?

Jack: It's literally our job. What the f*** else can we do? How else are we supposed to get to the bottom of the truth of the situation?

Cristina: Well, we did it, though. I think.

Jack: I think. I think. Yeah.

Cristina: Unless Jesus pops up.

Jack: I don't know. Well, that's the next problem here, Right? And you know what's really weird about it? But it kind of means the Bible's not lying. Let's think about it. Creatures from the shadow realm, what we would describe as h*** in a Bible roll up.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They begin what we would describe as the Apocalypse. Although it's happened before from our point of view, it's gonna satisfy that idea because they're gonna try to eat everything in Earth on Earth. Not literally eat, but, you know, kill us through experimentation and enslave us. And essentially h*** on Earth for just humans.

Cristina: Okay, Right.

Jack: But then Jesus shows up again. Again is the key word, because it would be again. And so him showing up is like, well, I'mma do what? I'm going to save the people. Specifically, who will? His people and everybody else who isn't the creatures that came from our proverbial h***. Weirdly enough, that's the apocalypse in the Bible. What the f***? But who said it would happen? F****** Jesus. The psychic.

Cristina: That. Yes. Okay. So, like, I also know that that's gonna happen.

Jack: Yes. He knew the whole time. He called it all.

Cristina: I mean. Yeah, that's part of being a necromancer. Yes.

Jack: He just. This is meaningless to him. He knows. He just kind of smacked them around casually whenever he feels bored enough to get involved.

Cristina: For that stone. Maybe.

Jack: He's gonna let them make it, isn't he?

Cristina: Yeah, I think so. Because he's also a neutral party after the disaster. And then we're like, yes, finally. He's finally here to save us or whatever. But it's like, it's really for that stone.

Jack: Yeah. He's gonna stop the rest from happening. But he's like, yeah, the Alicians.

Cristina: Yeah. Like he doesn't care.

Jack: He doesn't give a. He specifically hates them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The Alicia. Yes. No stone. Will he ever want more than that stone?

Cristina: The one out of the people he hates the most.

Jack: Yes. He's been waiting for this day.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He probably been casually feeding these Information to come and take that stone, make it themselves.

Cristina: And she's like, this all probably started with him somehow.

Jack: Yeah, he. I mean, so he called it at the beginning. He literally said every part of it and every part is happening. And he. I mean, he said it's the master plan.

Cristina: Well, this is probably how he got the stone in the Shadow Realms.

Jack: Easily.

Cristina: Because he too overpowered. Yes, but, like, the shadow people in that place are probably shadow people he met during that adventure or whatever. Like, how did he get it? Like, how did he walk in? Did, like, what. What happened to those things that were there? Maybe those were his armies. Because we know he did bring back people. He brought back people?

Jack: Yes, he did. He brought two stones and he brought back people. Yeah. It's a craft.

Cristina: Those could be the sh. Those same shadow people there right now might be his people that he brought back in that moment.

Jack: S***. You know specifically who he brought back. Prisoners of Yahweh.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: S***.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Oh, s***. Oh, man. That's on point. Wow.

Cristina: It all goes back. It does all make sense.

Jack: It does all make.

Cristina: It does make sense. Oh, my gosh. Of course he knows what's gonna happen. Those are. He planned it.

Jack: He planned it. Every part.

Cristina: He's waiting for it to happen.

Jack: Not even waiting. He could have blinked. For him, it could have been a split second. From being over there to being at the other end in the future. At some point, I'm like, okay, now let me collect the stone.

Cristina: Yeah, it's all for the stone. And we're just going to be cool with it because, like, it's Jesus.

Jack: It's. Jesus is going to roll up and be like, that was. Yeah, this was part of my plan.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we're all going to like, oh, yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Like, who's going to say anything? Yeah, nothing's gonna happen.

Jack: Yeah, we're gonna be like.

Cristina: People are gonna freak out and we're gonna have, like, people killing each other. Well, yeah, there's no. No one's gonna stop him.

Jack: And he's literally just gonna prove he's Jesus.

Cristina: Yeah, he's not gonna.

Jack: Like, he doesn't care. He's probably, like, I'm sure Hermes consistently all that. He didn't show anybody how to become. That's different. He had to. You gotta be. You know, you gotta acquire the knowledge to learn how to become a necromancer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But I'm sure he gladly showed everybody how he was a necromancer. You know, just like, oh, that's why the Jesus with the f****** walk on water and wine things casually. These guys bringing people back from the.

Cristina: Dead just to show.

Jack: Just for show. Yeah, magic tricks of all sorts. Bread and fish and this and that.

Cristina: And it's like, okay, it's gonna be the Messiah. The show all over again.

Jack: Yeah, man. No, I think, I think. Well, it's complicated, isn't it? He really did plan the whole f****** thing. It lines up.

Cristina: Yeah. He's gonna pop up and talked about it.

Jack: He said, oh, yeah, it's gonna happen and there's nothing any of you could do about it.

Cristina: And like his people, he brought them there. They're not just shadow. They're just not random shadow realm people that said, hey, we're gonna protect you. No, they were his specific shadow realm people that told us that they're gonna protect us because he told them to say that.

Jack: Yeah. And he'll easily get rid of the problem.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: This is effortless. You could control everybody effortlessly. They swear this part. They swear this. This is their plan too, I bet. Yeah. I don't think they're word. They think, oh, we're working with Jesus. I think they think this is their plan.

Cristina: Yeah. He brought them back and they're like, yeah, this is what he wanted and that's it. But they're not questioning why. Or maybe they are, who knows? But that's so crazy because he knew and they're not gonna do anything about it.

Jack: No, it's nuts. This is crazy, man. He specifically saved the prisoners of Yahweh, which are the Jews of Yahweh. The tide with Yahweh. He was just. Yo, that's crazy.

Cristina: Then they have to know his plan. They are not just protecting those people out of an agreement to make them into stone. Like it has to be because Jesus want that. And they know the plan is to turn him into a stone so Jesus can have it. He saved them. The he. They must have a deal with him. He's the true devil at the crossroads.

Jack: Yeah. He is the devil at the crossroad. He's the top of it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh. Oh, d***. That makes perfect sense. Well, whatever. We are out of time. But crazy.

Cristina: I understand why the people were afraid. Now we see it.

Jack: Now we see it. Now we see it.

Cristina: Them.

Jack: Yeah. Well, that group of sea people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We might actually see the whole situation.

Cristina: That might be the step to the end of all of them. The first step to the end of all of them.

Jack: Well, it depends, because we still have the people, the sea people at the bottom of the island. They still had the same amount of time to work on their tank.

Cristina: They don't have a stone made out of themselves. That's the most powerful thing I've ever imagined.

Jack: S***. You're totally right. You're totally right, Bear.

Cristina: He has so many. And then he's gonna have this one.

Jack: No, to be honest, the other problem is. No, let me. S***, we gotta get out of here. But you brought up so many points. No, no, no. Let me f****** address this real quick because you're totally right on so many cases. First, the Elysians don't have a stone. Jesus stole all of them. After somehow the shadow people acquired them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The Elysians have no stones. First problem. Problem number two, we're just talking about the ones we know created. But keep in mind we know about others. We're not even addressing twin towers going down. That was definitely one being made. Same people on both sides involved. World War II. Same people on both sides involved. It's always the same groups of people always making the same thing. And so we're assuming all of these stones are owned by the same people at this time.

Cristina: Which is Jesus.

Jack: Which is Jesus. Afraid, like. Yeah, there's no chance. You're totally right. There's no chance any elation is stepping up. There's no chance.

Cristina: Jesus has been making stones all this whole time. All these things have been. It's just him and his people that he has here, disguised as us.

Jack: Alternatively, desperate times, desperate measures, they went into two different directions.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: The people who went west can definitely at this very moment be making pure Elysian stones. If they've gone mad with the need to retaliate. A caste system naturally evolved, and the bottom of the caste system is still equally pure DNA. But now you're the people who will be used to create stones. I'm sure a single Elysian stone, a pure one person Elysian stone, is quite powerful. I'm not saying super, but I'm saying equivalent to like a weak human stone. I think if you have an entire caste system that you can throw, say a hundred thousand people into and say you guys are all the stone and they already have a stone. Assuming they would devolve into that. We don't know how big the civilization is down there. Yeah, it would have had to expand underneath the water over 100,000 years, probably quite significantly. So who knows?

Cristina: Who knows? It's possible, but we don't.

Jack: Also, is Bioshock loosely based on what's happening there? Just saying. Anyways, totally random. Just thought about it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah. Mad stones. And I Don't even remember what my other point was.

Cristina: The Elysians might be having a plan, a backup plan.

Jack: Oh, s***. The people who went north, that's the backup plan. Because what's north? A group of what?

Cristina: Nepalem.

Jack: Nephilim. Is anything more f****** overpowered than a pure clean nephilim, which is a clean 50.50cut of human and deletion DNA.

Cristina: But that is what Gaza is.

Jack: That is not what Gaza is. Gaza is more diluted. It has to be 50. 50.

Cristina: Has to be 50. 50. Okay.

Jack: And that is what exists up north. If they trap and isolate that, then.

Cristina: They have a nice stone and then.

Jack: Breed that over the same amount of time. Keep in mind these groups of people are thinking in their time scales and.

Cristina: We don't know why they didn't stop. Like, we know that they know about those people, but haven't done anything to them, so it could happen. They're just letting them breed in that one specific location just in case of. Yes, there was always a backup. Okay. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Okay, so just theories, you know, just talking about things. There's direction here.

Cristina: Interesting. Interesting. What? What? Craziness. Okay, so there's more. It's not just an easy word for Jesus.

Jack: At least.

Cristina: For Jesus, at least.

Jack: Yeah, there isn't. And it's definitely. You know, it's gonna get crazy. It's gonna get wild in some time.

Cristina: Okay, well, we can all just wait until that happens, I guess. I don't know. Because no one has a real plan anyway.

Jack: And, I mean, I'm sure the plan is being worked on.

Cristina: Besides the people that are trying to escape, everybody.

Jack: Yeah, I'm sure there's people trying to escape. There's the possible retaliation from the Elysian side, but we might. Ha. Man, if there's a can't. It sucks either way. It sucks either way. If this is real and this really happens, it doesn't matter who wins. We're f*****. It would have to be Jesus wins. If the Shadow People win, which I guess. No, it's Jesus. No, it wouldn't suck both ways, because Jesus would stop the Shadow People. They've. They're gonna be tossed away. Easy. He explained that plan. Yes, but no, he still knows what's gonna happen. The Alicians can't beat the plan. They think they can. Yeah, but he saw that fail too. He saw their plan. He saw their plan. He's a necromancer. He knows it worked. He's been on the other side. He saw it. That's why it doesn't matter.

Cristina: I don't know. Maybe he hasn't seen that specific plan.

Jack: Everything has come true. That's overpowered. Come on. That's pretty.

Cristina: Maybe they're so secretive about that plan that they don't really have that as a plan.

Jack: But how? He's psychic. He could just. He still knows that.

Cristina: That could be.

Jack: Unless they're somehow blocking it out.

Cristina: Yeah, they can't. I don't know.

Jack: Well, I still don't know if his psychic ability allows him to zone in on people like that, but I don't know. Anyways. Anyways, if you guys. Yeah, there's a lot. There's too much. If you guys have any information that you want to give us on any of this, if you guys have any perspectives or data or any. Anything you want to talk about, you could do that. Hit us up on our social medias. You can communicate with us doing that at just Convo pod that's on Tik Tok, Facebook, Instagram X.

Cristina: And remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And word of mouth is the most overpowered thing that's existed in all of history. And look, I always think this s***'s almost ending, and then another door opens and then it's infinite.

Cristina: You'll never do. Never close. It will never close.

Jack: It will never close. And it makes only more sense as time goes by. It's maddening.

Cristina: Yes, this has been the Rambling podcast. Take Nothing Personal and thanks for listening by.

Jack: Sa.

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May 25, 2024

Rambling 275: Nazi Israel's Genocide of Palestine

May 25, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

If no one agrees with the actions of Israel, why haven’t governments picked up arms to protect the lives of the innocent? Why is Egypt not stepping in by force to protect Palestinians forcing Israel to withdraw or accidentally attack Egyptians providing aid? Why has Gaza always been under the leadership of foreign governments and powers? The duo unpack one of the greatest mysteries on Earth and discover it connects directly into current world events. This is the story of how the the Nazi Israel State’s Genocide of Palestine and Gaza connects directly into the ancient history of the Elysians and the World War that took place at the birth of Jesus Christ.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

What is Gaza?
The Mass Migration to Gaza
World War 0
Elysian Genetics
Who is the Bad Guy?
The Conclusion of the Elysian Saga

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And today we are. I'm even dodging the intro. We don't got time. Today we're gonna do something really weir. I did a lot of searching and then I took it to an AI and then I spoke to that AI and we shared information. I took it to the quantum computer, shared information with that, found some interesting things, then brought it back to the AI, through which I kept discussing all the additional details. Now, all of this is extremely important. What we are discussing today is the Aletians, but we are discussing way more than that. We are discussing a bigger picture. We are discussing potentially what happened to them with maybe proof. Whoa. And who they are. Who they are still on Earth at this moment, their descendants.

Cristina: Okay, okay, okay. So I will have questions answered, though, while with this too, about.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Like other things we've been wondering about.

Jack: Okay, so we're gonna begin with some couple questions. We're gonna literally just hear the computer tell us. Okay, so I'm going to go ahead. Let's see if I can choose a nice, pleasant voice, perhaps come over here. You're going to sound like whatever this is. And then we're going to go over here. And so this begins. And my questions are based on just trying to find the original mention of Palestine ever. So my question is, when is the first mention of Palestine? And the first mention of Palestine shows up roughly around a hundred. About. Around the year 1155 B.C. okay, right. So Palestine doesn't. My intention in originally searching was mainly to find out what is happening in Gaza. I have many, many theories about what's happening in Gaza, and I know too much about things that I've seen.

Cristina: And you think it's related to this?

Jack: I think it's very related to this. I think the situation. In fact, let's frame some of this. I guess it's really important. The idea is that it seems that suddenly at some point in time around the year 6 BC to around the year 4 AD corroborated by. Seems like almost every record you could come across. And between those two points, there seems to be two things that happen. A massive war that seems to almost not be spoken about. You find mentions and shreds of it everywhere. Everybody experienced it, no matter where the h*** they were almost on Earth. It doesn't matter where they were.

Cristina: They.

Jack: The war happened, but it was Almost not discussed, mentioned. You see an image depicting that moment in time, and it'll be a giant army.

Cristina: And there's like, World War we called.

Jack: It one, but there was there. You'll see images, hieroglyphs and drawings, cave drawings and things of, like, a whole army and just be one. And it'd be referencing a very specific event that seems to line up. You'll find texts that mention, you know, the importance of a day that's usually very focused on this period of time. And then suddenly, again, no other reference. Almost like the acknowledgement matters, but don't go into detail. And you find it everywhere, the same specific period of time. In the Greek documents, it seems to be somewhere between about 5 BC and about 5 BC AD and in Egyptian documents, it seems to be around 7 to around 5 as well. And so when you average, there's kind of like a middle ground that kind of. It all falls into that. There's something epic happening. But you also have the same thing happening over there. Maya, they are always also talking about this sort of giant event.

Cristina: Maya.

Jack: Yes. In a lot of places, there are things like this that have been considered the apocalypse event.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We've read some. In the case of Maya, there we went. We used. We did that with their calendar for the modern day, where we were like, oh, 2012 is going to be the end of the world, or whatever, because their calendar ends. And so it seems like this special period of time that everybody's talking about might have been construed by humans the same way as we lost the meaning of what they were talking about and just assumed that they had an apocalypse day or something that was going to happen. But that's incorrect. There was a war. Everything is people preparing for war.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's just really weird that's happening in that period of time. Now, what else happens in that period of time? Two giant important events.

Cristina: Jesus's birth.

Jack: Jesus's birth.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And the disappearance of the Elysians.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah.

Jack: Both coincide in that one giant period. Period of time. Now, that's crossing pure mythology, pure scripture, and pure records to come up with the fact that they all, even within these different mediums, all talk about the same point in time. So not only that, we bring actual records that exist, but now just looking at mythology, well, Jesus was there, too. And looking at religion, well, we got the events of the. Well, I guess it's the other way. Looking at religion, we got Jesus in there and looking at mythologies, we got Hermes in here, and we got the Elysians in here. We got events happening, weird things happening, okay?

Cristina: But you know, there's a fight that's everywhere. We don't know with who, we don't know with who.

Jack: We don't know with who. And that is sort of a really important detail because is who's on what side. But there is a huge war. So my focus became Gaza. Right?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Something is up with that. So one of my questions becomes. I don't even know how to put this because I've run out of ways to look for things. I have gone into the etymology of what things originally meant to find out what people meant about things as you know. So I'm going to give you some definitions of some things. Okay? First, the first mention of Israel was somewhere in the year 1200 or so. That's not like a real thing. That was made much later.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Israelites shows up in the Bible, but Israel does not. Okay. Very important things to say. The origin of Palestine. The term Palestine is the word philistine, which is Greek or Latin, if I'm not mistaken. But what it literally translates to is a person who is hostile or indifferent to culture and the arts, or who is or who has no understanding of them. What Palestine is in itself an insult. The term Palestine is calling somebody an ignorant a******, essentially.

Cristina: Okay, right. How did that happen?

Jack: The people didn't name themselves that. Somebody else named them that. But why?

Cristina: Oh, yeah, why?

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Why did they keep it?

Jack: Something weird. Yes, you're asking the right questions. You're asking the same questions that got me here. Those are the right questions. So Israel comes to exist later as a place. Palestine did exist since the year 1200 BCE or so. Okay. So it's been around, but it was referred to as this thing, right? Now, if we look at Palestine throughout all of history, no matter how many times it changed hands, it was never being ruled by a Palestinian. It was ruled by the Romans, it was ruled by the Jews. It was ruled by Greeks, by Israel. The blockade is controlled primarily by Israel. Now, in every one of these instances, that place was a place of contention, a place of consistent battle. Most battles were fought over Palestine. Specifically. Specifically the Gaza Strip. Weird coincidence.

Cristina: There's something there.

Jack: Well, I went to look to see, like, does this place have astounding natural resources or something? No, it's kind of average for the Middle East. But here's a giant list of people who kind of ruled over. We have the Egyptians, we have the Assyrians and the Babylonians, the Persians, which is the one we're particularly familiar with. And the point in which Persia was in control of Palestine just so happened to be between the predicted beginning of it just so happen to be between the two points that we are discussing. 6 BCE and 5 AD. What a weird coincidence when Persia has the Gaza Strip. Interesting, interesting, interesting.

Cristina: What does it mean?

Jack: What does it mean? Right, so it begins. We. It. It takes over, right? The Persian Empire takes over and immediately things start to fall apart. Weird. I don't even know, man.

Cristina: But what falls apart in Persia?

Jack: Yeah, well, in this specific region, right, because they take over and then what do we have? We have the Persian Empire that gets in control. And my bad, I'm saying this totally incorrectly because I'm looking at the information and confusing it as I'm looking at it.

Cristina: Oh, there.

Jack: The Persian control ends at that point in the period of 6 BC to 5 80. So it begins 600 years prior.

Cristina: But it stops.

Jack: But it's around stops around the time that Jesus is born. Persia loses Palestine around the time that Jesus is born, which falls in line with some other things. If the big bad leader leaves the territory, then it's a free for all and anybody can grab what they want. But we know, presumably the Elysians move. Yeah, I then look at the mass migration lines. This was the next part. They moved, they left.

Cristina: You talking about the Persians or the lesions?

Jack: Okay, Specifically the group of people. I need to be general when I'm talking. Right. So it's the group of people who happen to be in the neck of the Persian Gulf, specifically, that we can, through records, track a migration line of people who settled there. Because obviously we can't go to a record be like lesions. We can only find them in scripture and we can only find them in mythology and a few records that mention them. But it could have been influenced by mythology or whatever. Yeah, but the people who were settled at the neck of the Persian Gulf, we can find their migration lines. And weirdly enough, their migration lines split into three parts, one of which goes right into the Gaza Strip.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: We can follow mass migration far west, we can follow a mass migration north, and we can follow a migration that begins in the Middle east and ends in the Middle east at the Gaza Strip. All three lines starting at the neck of the Persian Gulf. And it's mass migration. We can follow a huge migration pattern that happens to three different locations. We don't know where in the west the other one is, but we can theorize the easy one. And we don't know where the one north is. But we have other stories Corroborating where a group of people might have gone north too.

Cristina: Well, like in Ireland. No, Ireland.

Jack: The Norway in that area up there where it seems to be really weird. But then we have the one that goes to the Gaza Strip. How weird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I think we've gotten the story wrong the whole time.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Because a giant war happens at that same time, and we have one mass migration that happens, and then that mass migration isn't unified. It breaks up into three parts, and then one of those parts ends in the Gaza Strip. What's the Gaza Strip?

Cristina: Right this very moment, Isn't it Gaza? I don't know.

Jack: It's a prison.

Cristina: Oh, it's a prison.

Jack: It's an open air prison. Oh, they can't go anywhere, right? From every direction. And nobody helps them, no matter who at any given moment helps them. We keep saying so, but the leaders know something, the people don't, and they just don't. Everybody just kind of steps back, okay?

Cristina: It has to do with them being related to some deceived people.

Jack: Well, the next part of this dives into genetics. I was looking at genetic records and I was trying to find what exactly is the difference between the people of the neck of the Persian Gulf and people anywhere else. And I find that they have a very specific marker for a really, really, really primitive, different branching type of caveman. So we're familiar with the Neanderthal that a lot of people have DNA of. That's the majority of people. Oh, no, my bad. That's the minority. Then the majority of people have the Denisovan genes, which is the other thing. And some people have spikes of that, you know, so we have. We're make up of variations of these two types of things, okay?

Cristina: But they have something else.

Jack: There is a group called haplog group J1Y, D, N A. And that group is very, very, very, very specific because they just happen to have a. Just like humans, you know, natural evolutionary path. They are human. Not to say they're not human, but natural evolutionary path. This primitive ape since before the Neanderthal, just two primitive different apes that are, let's say, gorillas, almost identical. They literally split off at a point that they are like gorillas, almost too.

Cristina: Close to us, okay?

Jack: But in that time, this one DNA group goes and is affected in isolation without mixing with anything else that came from its original group. So it can't breed with anything else. It remains diversified within itself, but pure from any of its other ancestors. It doesn't remix, it keeps branching off. Once they Leave where their species is now. Their species that they abandoned will evolve gradually, but the travel alone will force a natural selection process that will continue only the best to survive. The best to survive. And those will pass the children on, over and over. It's a speedier process than the ones that stayed behind. This group that went traveling begins evolving faster and faster and faster and faster in isolation, away from any other ape. No other apes, just this group. Now, this group eventually breaks off itself in isolation into a second group, which is haplogroup E1b, 1b, which is a Y DNA as well. This is the, weirdly enough, almost identical DNA of the Palestinian people today.

Cristina: How did you. How do you know?

Jack: I had to read a lot of DNA logs and a lot of ancestry files to just find different DNA patterns around Earth.

Cristina: But the way you said it, it makes it sound like they can't mix with people.

Jack: No, no, no.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The way you heard it, for some reason came out like that. But I specifically said that they left all of their species. They can't mix with other species. They left their species and they went and evolved over there in isolation, away from their species. So they're not gonna go f*** a tiger and successfully mate. That couldn't happen. And there's no other apes out there, so it's not that they can't mate. There's just no other race within their species they can mate with other than themselves. Because they migrated away. They went to where apes have never been. They are the first apes there.

Cristina: You're talking about the sea people.

Jack: I am talking about the. I've not mentioned the sea people. I'm talking about the people from the neck of the Persian Gulf. Oasis of the Persian Gulf. And Palestinians that are the second group. And the Palestinians are the only people on Earth who have that second DNA strand that came from the first DNA strand in isolation. No one on Earth else has that. They were.

Cristina: But they can still have children with other humans.

Jack: Yes. I don't know why you think they can't.

Cristina: Okay. I don't know. The way you're saying it sounds like they can only. I don't know. The whole way you're trying to describe.

Jack: What part is making you think that? Because then the listeners might be thinking that, too. I need clarity. Hatton is important. Ask the right question so I can clarify.

Cristina: You were just explaining I don't know. It sounds like. I don't know. The ape can't have sex with a lion. Tiger.

Jack: That is correct.

Cristina: I know that. But what does that relate to anything.

Jack: Well, you said they can't reproduce with other things. I'm saying no, they just can't reproduce with things that aren't them.

Cristina: But that would mean we are them.

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: These are saying they can't reproduce with other things that are not like them?

Jack: Yeah, we're like them. Yes.

Cristina: Okay. That's all.

Jack: Yeah, they're just a different type of monkey like we. Okay, that's what I'm saying. Like Neanderthal. This is just another group. They're still apes, okay. They're apes that went elsewhere and can't mate with things that aren't apes. So they're just with themselves. Without more variation, this one specific group, without the variations that are gonna happen in the climate around them, they go in isolation. And in isolation means there's no influence from any other ape. And they are in close enough quarters that they cannot widely expand and become different variations of themselves. So it's not like they have both a mountain and an ocean and they spread out and live in an island with a mountain and an ocean. And so the people by the water turn into something after a couple of thousand years and the people up in the mountains turn into something else. That didn't happen for some reason. Where they went seemed to be an exact climate everywhere, an exact condition everywhere, island like and entrapped, so that they would evolve without any variation and keep it pure as they combat every other element that there is, animal wise and actual, you know, weather wise. And so they go on a crazy fast evolutionary track because of this sort of purity that's happening, that they just so happen to split off with normal apes. They were just normal apes, literally the same thing. And then they go. And that pace is crazy. Now, keep in mind, we understand that the Elysians move significantly slower than humans do. That's almost the feature that makes humans interesting, the fact that we move really, really quickly. So why is it that that ape was moving so, so fast? Well, that just so happened to be environmental conditions that were forcing it, like I said before. Right. So we know that they have the ability to. Or are we looking at crazy long scales?

Cristina: What do you mean by crazy long scale?

Jack: That maybe what I'm discussing is happening in such an exaggerated long set of time that now we're talking millions of years. And in these millions of years, we know that we have literal titles that seem to stretch out for like, infinity as long, like, how are you 3 million years old? This doesn't make sense. So we have weird situations like that that maybe some of These stories began being recorded by these very exaggeratedly primitive creatures and that became the basis for their religion. So little by little these titles and names became as a grunt, but then that same grunt. A good way to think about it would be if you consider the episode of Star Trek that had the story of the dragon and the slaying the dragon and their whole language and their whole communication style and everything they've ever known was about this dragon.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it was almost impossible to communicate with this race. And what we're struggling with in understanding they're the things they've said is because their entire way of communication has been built on the sort of narrative of the first of them and sort of retelling the narrative of the first of them. And some people learn to crack this communication. Special humans who are exceptionally intelligent like Hermes or under individuals who could sort of pierce communication with this other hyper advanced thing. Or maybe they were learning to communicate with us, I don't know. But that would explain having a name that seems to stretch millions and millions of years.

Cristina: What was the name?

Jack: Loi.

Cristina: Oh, Loi. Okay. And I thought you talk about the creatures that are in, I don't know, the sea, the original sea people.

Jack: That is literally what I'm talking about. Because that would be Loi.

Cristina: But you're saying that he's not living forever, it's just the story.

Jack: Well, we already believe that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That Loi is a title moving forward through time.

Cristina: But they're getting it from that location is what you're saying.

Jack: I'm saying that there seems to have been a person named Loi at some point and that maybe because we see it through millions of years mentioned that perhaps this millions of years of mention is the mention of the same first few people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that anything and everything continues to be built on that. And that we're just witnessing and strange communication style that only some people learn to pierce. And those people would end up working with the Elysians. But that's just a theory because the point being that this group split off and then broke off into two parts. One part becomes lost, the J one that is existent and we can see through fossilized things that this existed and this was real and went extinct.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now we don't know how far they got. We just know that's the point that we see the end of that creature and we haven't found any future version of it. Minus the E1B 1B which is a variant of the J1 that split off and those are the Palestinians.

Cristina: Oh my Gosh.

Jack: Okay, so the people from the neck of the Persian gulf are the J1. The variation that split off are the Palestinians.

Cristina: E1B1B. I don't know.

Jack: E1B1B.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And these are just genetic markers. They happen to originate in the same spot, are shared by nobody else on Earth, and happen so far back that it predates humans, it predates Neanderthals, it predates the general idea of cave people, and would have led to a rapid evolutionary path that suddenly seems to disappear. It doesn't seem to break off into anything else and is not shared by any other creature. It just whittles away and we don't know where it goes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Weird. People of Gaza, or specifically the people of the Gaza Strip, specifically, are those people born there?

Cristina: Are the ancestors.

Jack: Yeah, people who are origin from there share that DNA primarily. Weird detail.

Cristina: Yes. But is that why people want that? But is it because they want the people? What's.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I couldn't answer it. But that's very interesting. Right. And it brings up a lot of questions like what the h*** is the connection between those two things? Why do you guys have this if that broke off at some point in the past? Right. Well, there's a theory that might explain this. The people that broke off and went to the Gaza Strip. Why'd they go to the Gaza Strip specifically?

Cristina: You have an answer for that?

Jack: No. And then you look at the genetic deviation. The only place that exists is in the Gaza Strip. That's where it originates from. So the people who left the neck of the Persian Gulf went to the place where the only other place that already shared their DNA identically. Weird. Right? Or the people we see in Gaza now are literally the people who left the neck of the Persian Gulf and we're seeing their ancestors in Gaza.

Cristina: I thought that's what the case was. What's the first option?

Jack: That the people from the Persian Gulf went to where the deviated ape landed and evolved, and so they go to where their DNA already was. Or.

Cristina: That's too random.

Jack: Yeah, that's weird. Or the people from the Persian Gulf get to Gaza and then we're seeing their.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Descendants. Yeah, they are the ancestors of who we see now. And so they share this very specific marker. There has been. Hello. Wars over that place, as we've discussed. There has been. Israel in particular, seems to always be in conflict with Palestine. That is a tug of war throughout time.

Cristina: It's not some religious reason.

Jack: That's always the excuse but when is that ever the. The accurate truth of the fact, you know? So have to give you a little bit. So coming back to etymology. We know what Palestine means. They treat it and discuss it like a prison. But we know that the people from the neck of the Persian Gulf, a part of them went there. We also know at that same moment, Jesus is born. The Palestine is lost by Persia. And we know that. What else do we know? We know we got a great war.

Cristina: Jesus is born, and those people went.

Jack: The migration. We got the migration that lands at Gaza.

Cristina: Is that not all we have?

Jack: Well, yeah. Well, here's where it gets. It's gonna get a little weird because who are the other side in this deal always with Palestine.

Cristina: What deal?

Jack: Well, the problem.

Cristina: Okay, who is it? Misrule.

Speaker C: Yes.

Jack: And Israel is populated by Israel people.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Religiously speaking.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: You know what Israel is religiously speaking?

Cristina: Jewish.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Whoa. Okay. Yes. There was no. Not even like, close answer to be second.

Cristina: Okay, what was this? What's the other people then?

Jack: Palestinians. Those are. They're Islam.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're Muslim. But because of the problem happening there, we focus on Israel. We got enough from Israel knowing that they're calling that a prison. But wait, your own terminology is that. That's prison. Weird. People don't know what Palestine means, but Palestine means prison. The Jews are saying that the people there are their prisoners. Interesting. Okay, this is just going back to original language. What they originally meant by the word, what the original use of the word was. They were calling the people there their prisoners. But Israel happens in the year 1200.

Cristina: What's going on? I don't get it. I don't get it.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we got to go backwards because if Israel is calling it that, really, we're just talking that the Jews are calling it that. That's why it's more important to say Jews. And the Jews speak what language? Hebrew. Okay. That's the Hebrew word for prison.

Cristina: What was the word again?

Jack: Palestine.

Cristina: Palestine. Oh, yeah, that was something else.

Jack: It literally becomes the word philistine.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And philistine means hostile, indifferent culture of people who are essentially ignorant.

Cristina: Mm. I remember all that.

Jack: All of that is what they're referring to. The Gaza Strip, which is a walled in place. So either they're referring to them as just that place with animals, or that's just the shithole we put things in.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which essentially a prison. Everybody at all times is keeping that under control. Keep in mind, that's the other piece of information. Palestine has never controlled itself. It's always been property of something else at all times since its creation. It has never been a free state. Israel, that came way later, became free instantaneously by its inception. But Palestine has not. It's only moved hands between the same people over and over.

Cristina: Mm. That's horrible. Okay.

Jack: Mm. Now, going back to etymology again. The word philistine is the Hebrew word for dirty, ignorant person, as we know. But what were the people calling the Hebrew people? Well, Hebrew isn't a Hebrew word. Hebrew is a Latin word referred to the Hebrew people. This is going to be very interesting because I have to tell you what it means, and then suddenly we're going to have a lot of questions. A lot of questions. But it might have answered many questions on the road to tell you just.

Cristina: For what Hebrew means from what Hebrew means.

Jack: So we got to work backwards to get there. Right. And it comes from way, way, way old ancient Latin and late Greek. That's how we know where it originated from. And when they were talking about the Hebrew people, they specifically addressed these individuals with the term. Let me click over here real quick. Hebrew literally translates to. Why isn't this working? Oh, my God. Okay, want to get this literally accurate? Literally means one from the other side. I don't understand the word Hebrew literally.

Cristina: Means one from the other side.

Jack: One from the other side. Israel was made in the year 1200. Roughly. It did not exist prior to that. They call the Hebrews Hebrew because it means one's from the other side.

Cristina: Does it somehow relate to the shadow realm? I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. I'm just giving you etymology. Interesting, huh?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Other people, through the same sort of channels of communication, adopted Hebrew as a way to accurately refer to people that were, quote, Hebrew unquote, because they also thought it meant wanderer. So those were the two original terminologies. The full structure became wander from the other side.

Cristina: Very Where? What side? What is this side? It's gotta be shadow realms. I don't know.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. But they're humans.

Jack: But they're humans.

Cristina: You checked into their DNA.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And nothing came up.

Jack: They are. Nothing came up. No, they're just people.

Cristina: But they're ones from the other side.

Jack: Ones from the other side? Wanderers from the other side. Or ones that wander from the other side.

Cristina: Weird, because you said they're not. I mean, they're newer than everyone else.

Jack: Yeah. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Now, a couple of things that we need to note. Ones from the other side, they're human.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But the. What I'm about to say is very specifically chosen. Lucifer was also.

Cristina: Was also humans. Oh, no.

Jack: From the other side.

Cristina: Oh, that's what he's called.

Jack: Lucifer. Yeah, Lucifer.

Cristina: He's called from the other side.

Jack: No, it's called Lightbringer. I'm saying Lucifer was from the other side.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: What, man, I gotta connect every dot for you. What are the important details about Lucifer that we know? Jesus Christ, just what do we know about Lucifer? What did he do? Significant. He had two things that mattered a lot.

Cristina: He tried to give people knowledge.

Jack: Okay, great. And what else? That's one. The other one is a really weird one.

Cristina: I can't remember the other one.

Jack: Really?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Whoa, you're never paying attention.

Cristina: Then what's the other one?

Jack: That he turned himself into a freaking Elysian.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: Okay, how is that what escaped you?

Cristina: The other one I remember.

Jack: No, apparently you didn't until I told you.

Cristina: I remember now.

Jack: Yeah, because I told you, man, you got to connect these dots. It's pointless if I got to tell you every part of it. That means there's nothing retained. The listeners are probably screaming at you right now like, what the f***? It's obviously this. He turned himself into a f****** Elysian.

Cristina: Okay? Yes.

Jack: So changing out of a shadow thing into an earth biological thing is absolutely possible according to the very narratives they tried to hide. The people who tried to hide it was an effort between the current day Christians and existing Jews.

Cristina: What does it mean though?

Jack: It could have been that the people of Israel are from in fact, the other side. And then they turn themselves human with whatever technology was developed in that time by Lucifer who went back to the shadow realm to continue his research.

Cristina: Okay? These are made people.

Jack: These are made people. They just showed up. That didn't exist before. Not the Jews, the Israeli people.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: The Jews existed, always. The Israeli people didn't. Now, weirdly enough, if Israel is a group of people that came from the other side and then made themselves human, and we are seeing the descendants of those individuals, then the Jews that were labeled Hebrew by the Greek long ago, about the year 3000 BC or so, those individuals were labeled wanderers from the other side. Way back then, shortly after the 5000 B.C. problematic breakup with Jehovah. So that happens, 5000 B.C. they disappear and then 3000 B.C. jews appear.

Cristina: I don't understand. I mean, I know what you're saying. I don't understand.

Jack: Yeah, it's weird, right? All these dots are like anybody. All of what I'm talking about is just free information out there. I'm just putting it in a weird order and you guys tell me what you think. I'm giving you how it looks in order. Just chronology.

Cristina: There's just shadow realm people living as humans.

Jack: They got turned into humans by whatever technology.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Weird, right?

Cristina: Yes. I don't understand. Okay. I don't know.

Jack: It gets weird, right?

Cristina: It gets weird. That is really weird.

Jack: Yeah, it's a bit of a rabbit hole. If I can get. I want to get this thing to explain a very specific part of this that matters.

Cristina: But, like, those are two real random things and I still don't understand how they relate.

Jack: What two random things?

Cristina: There are people who come from the sea. People who are being killed off pretty much. Or something. There's something happening to them from the shadow realm. Humans or whatever. Yeah, from one experiment. One experiment is experimenting on a. Not experiment. They're not experiments. But they are now to these people, sort of.

Jack: Yeah, like a. Oh, how the turntables type of thing.

Cristina: Yes, I guess. Yeah. Is that what's happening? But why? But why? But why?

Jack: But why? That's ultimately the question. Right. All right, so now I'm gonna just give you the question and you're gonna hear the explanation from the AI Okay. In Greek ancient texts, there's mention of groups of people that have been referred to by the sea people. Right. And in later texts, the Egyptians reference those same people. That this is a slur and that these are the people of the neck of the Persian Gulf. I'm just trying to connect that for a fact. Those people are the same people that are being referred to. So this is the response.

Speaker C: The term sea peoples is used in ancient texts, primarily Egyptian, to describe a confederation of naval raiders who attacked ancient Egypt and other regions of the Eastern Mediterranean during the late bronze age, circa 1200 BCE. These peoples are often depicted in Egyptian records, notably on the inscriptions of Pharaoh Ramesses III at Medic Medinet Habu, where they are described as invaders who caused significant destruction and upheaval in the region. However, the identification of these groups remains a topic of debate among historians and archaeologists.

Jack: Okay, so yes, we know they exist. We're unclear about who they are. So cross reference everything that possibly exists. Let's unpack. We're going to go and look at every mention and then try to compare it. So this is the answer to that.

Speaker C: I understand your approach of cross referencing multiple sources to uncover deeper insights. Here's an overview that integrates data from both Greek and Egyptian texts regarding the Sea Peoples and the potential identification as one Greek records Ancient Greek texts, including works by Herodotus and other historians, occasionally reference groups of people in the context of maritime activities. However, specific identification of the Sea Peoples in Greek texts is less common compared to Egyptian records. 2. Egyptian records the term Sea Peoples primarily appears in Egyptian inscriptions, notably those of Pharaoh Ramesses iii, who described them as a confederation of raiders attacking Egypt and other regions around the Mediterranean around 1200 BCE. The Medinet Habu inscriptions provide detailed accounts of these incursions. The Egyptians listed specific groups among the Sea Peoples, such as the Peleset Philistines, Cheker, Shekelesh, Denaen, and Weshesh. 3 There is speculation and some lesser known sources that may hint at different terminologies used by the Egyptians. Some historians suggest that terms like Elysians might have been used in different contexts or translations. This idea is not widely accepted in mainstream scholarship, but could be found in more obscure or speculative historical texts. Cross REFERENCING insights Herodotus and later Greek historians Greek historians like Herodotus refer to various peoples and regions, often in the context of broader historical narratives. While direct references to Sea Peoples in Greek texts are scarce, there are mentions of maritime peoples and invasions that might align with the broader activities of the Sea Peoples described by the Egyptians. Archaeological and historical analysis Archaeologists and historians often cross reference Egyptian inscriptions with archaeological evidence found in regions like the Levant and the Aegean to identify the movements and impacts of these groups. This multidisciplinary approach helps to piece together the broader picture of the Late Bronze Age collapse and the migration invasion patterns of these groups.

Jack: Okay, so we know everybody's talking about the same people, roughly different terminology, but we kind of all land at the same couple of words translate roughly into the same things. Elysians and Sea people seem to be the two common denominators at all times. So we are talking about the same people now. Migration patterns Mm.

Speaker C: The question of whether the Elysians potentially identified with the Sea Peoples migrated from the Persian Gulf region to the Mediterranean is intriguing and involves cross reference referencing archaeological and historical data. Migration patterns 1 Archaeological evidence Archaeological records indicate that there was significant movement of peoples from the Persian Gulf region towards the Mediterranean around the turn of the millennium. This movement aligns with various sociopolitical disruptions and climatic changes that could have driven migrations. 30 source 38 source that's just it.

Jack: Giving the reference locations, giving the records so that people can find where it is.

Speaker C: During the Late Bronze Age, particularly under Pharaoh Ramesses iii, these groups, including the Peleset, often identified with the Philistines, are depicted as coming from regions that may correspond with the eastern Mediterranean or even further afield. 38 source 39 source the term Elysians mentioned in some later Egyptian texts might be referring to these same groups, indicating a continuity or connection in the used by different cultures to describe these maritime peoples. Historical context between 6 BCE and 4 AD there is evidence to suggest significant population movements, trade and conflict. The Persian Gulf was a crucial trade hub, and interactions with the Mediterranean were well established through trade routes and maritime activities. This facilitated not just economic exchange, but also the movement of peoples. 37 thirge debt source cultural and political the period saw the rise and fall of various empires, such as the Parthians and later the Romans, which created conditions for migration due to Both opportunity and displacement. 38 source 39 source Conclusion While there is no definitive proof directly linking the term Elysians used by Egyptians to a specific migration event, convergence of archaeological and textual evidence supports the notion that groups identified with the Sea Peoples could have originated from the Persian Gulf region and migrated towards the Mediterranean. These migrations would have brought them into conflict and contact with established civilizations like those in Egypt, leading to their prominent place in historical records.

Jack: Okay, so yes, we can get enough information to say there was factually a weird migration that happened by these people and most likely put them in danger in the course of migration. So it wasn't even a safe migration. So whatever was happening where you were leaving had to be worse. Okay, than everything you were facing on your way out. And that's where it gets a little bit interesting, because we know that the Sea People are exceptionally overpowered. So how?

Cristina: How did this happen? How did this happen right now? Mm.

Speaker C: The concept of the Sea Peoples, including potentially the Elysians, being sophisticated and dangerous, is well documented in ancient texts and archaeological records. These groups were indeed highly capable, often depicted as formidable warriors with advanced maritime technology and tactics. Their incursions into regions such as Egypt, Anatolia and The Levant around 1200 BCE caused significant upheaval and contributed to the Bronze Age collapse. Did the entire Middle east and Europe band together to suppress the Elysians? The hypothesis that various civilizations banded together to combat the Sea Peoples is supported by several factors. One Coalition against the Sea Egyptian records, particularly from the reigns of Pharaohs Meremtah and Ramesses iii, describe significant battles against the Sea Peoples. These records indicate that Egypt allied with other local forces to repel these invasions. The Medinet Habu inscriptions detail such coalitions, highlighting the combined efforts to defend against the Sea People's raids. 45urSource 46th Source 2. Destruction and defense Archaeological evidence across the eastern Mediterranean shows widespread destruction of cities and settlements attributed to the Sea Peoples. This widespread impact suggests that many regions felt threatened by these groups and took defensive actions, including forming alliances to protect their territories. 47 I source 48 source 3. Geopolitical context the political landscape of the late Bronze Age was highly interconnected. Major powers such as the Hittite Empire, Mycenaean Greece, and Egypt were all affected by the movements of the Sea Peoples. The coordinated efforts to suppress these groups can be seen as a response to a common threat that destabilized the region's political and economic systems. 48 source 49 source While direct evidence of a single unified alliance comprising all Middle Eastern and European civilizations against the Elysians or Sea Peoples is not explicitly documented, the collaborative efforts of various states in response to these incursions are well supported. The necessity of defending against a highly mobile and capable adversary likely drove these civilizations to form temporary alliances to mitigate the threat posed by the Sea Peoples.

Jack: When we put all of this together, we have the fact that everybody band together using to get rid of them, to get rid of them, to get rid of them. We know they disappeared. We don't know how they disappeared. It was. It's confusing to try to identify how they disappeared because there's many possibilities, many options. It's as weird and random. And we know that the shadow people have the stones because we know Jesus has to go to the shadow realm to get them. How did the. How did that happen? How'd they get there? Additionally, one pattern that seems to show up consistently in the Bible when you read it for what it is instead of what you're told to believe. It looks like the good people are always the shadow people. Lucifer wants to share, Lucifer wants to provide. And according to how the Christians identify the Bible, he's the bad guy. And the guy who's trying to keep the information from you and keep everything for himself is the good guy. That perfectly aligns with a bunch of people. Go to the shadow realm, develop technology, come over here, become people, and then help the human suppress the Elysians.

Cristina: Okay? And that's what they're doing now.

Jack: Still, that would be what's happening now. It is a prison that the Egyptians know about and the Americans know. Everybody kind of leaders, the secret society is fully aware of what's being kept there and they know that or they don't know. The fear is it's been thousands and thousands of years, but we've always kept it in this condition. We don't know what happens if we don't have it in this condition. We've kept them like this and it seems horrible to the outside world.

Cristina: They can reach out to their. The others.

Jack: The two groups that went. Well, this is the idea, right? That's the open air prison. We've got them suppressed, they have nothing. Those are the descendants of the people that most likely mix with other humans, thus continuing to and sort of diminishing that DNA. But that DNA still exists there almost exclusively in that area. Why do we keep them around? Probably for that feature. We are experimenting on them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because the other two groups went into hiding. We knew at the beginning they were hiding, but we're like, they're crazy strong. Why would they go into hiding? Well, if everybody you helped turned on you because you're kind of crooked and they have all your stuff because you gave it to them, well, now you go into hiding. We knew they were scared of something, but we're like, they're so strong. Maybe you just didn't want to deal with people. No, we were right the first time they went into hiding cuz the f****** planet turned on them. They were like, get the f***, you guys aren't taking over us. And so we just humaned on their a** and we're like, get the f*** out of here. And then the ones that couldn't get away ended up in Gaza and the other groups just split the f*** off to wherever they could go. It looks like three events happened the same three. One, did we kill them off? What the f***? Did Jesus kill them off? Is our idea.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Did they exit the system? Maybe those people just went north and then the ones that went into the ocean by Bimini. Well, all three possibilities might actually be the three options. And two of them involve hiding. One of them involves an open air prison.

Cristina: So they're not actual options. They're all existing.

Jack: They're all existing, okay? All of them happened. It was when you have a really, really old dirty house with a bunch of crappy nasty crap and you move a painting and all the cockroaches go everywhere. It's just wherever they go to hide.

Cristina: But now we are experimenting on them.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: What's for?

Jack: I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. But this even answers where Jesus comes into play. How Jesus joined the Jews. Man, Jesus was a Jew. Jesus was a Jew.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: He was siding. Even if narratively we try to warp.

Cristina: It with the shadow people. Shadow people, which. Yes, that would make sense.

Jack: And he has psychic powers. Yeah, and he would know how to get to the people.

Cristina: But why?

Jack: Well, think about it. Why were the Elysians always hiding to begin with? Because they're crooked. They were doing something wrong. And the moment that their location is advertised to the world, they go on a scramble the f*** out of there. And in that time they get attacked mid trip.

Cristina: Okay, well, I guess they are doing crooked things because the signs that they're doing, they don't care.

Jack: They don't care. Life doesn't matter. They feel they are gods.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Their creations revolted.

Cristina: Yeah. They murdered a bunch of us all the time.

Jack: Billions.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Jesus. Advertises their location. Holy f***. We gotta go. They do try and literally knowing where we all are in one shot is worse than trying to escape you out there. And some of us make it, which is literally what happened. Some of us made it, Some of us didn't.

Cristina: That's crazy. That's so crazy. That might be right. That's horrible. That's so horrible. I don't know.

Jack: And then Gaza is their ancestors. I know their ancestors. That's their descendants that we've kept in there with that gene that only existed in the neck of the Persian Gulf. Details that matter. People consistently fight over the waters at the Persian Gulf. Really important. The Tanker War was about that.

Cristina: So there's something unique about that water.

Jack: I don't know if there's something unique about that water. I think the tech is still there. And it's like people just don't let each other get far down enough. I think it's all way. I think the Middle east, let's break it down. What is Persia if not Iran, Afghanistan? These places we've always invaded, always attacked. All the western countries are always fighting over it. And then we have our pawn country in there, Israel. It's about the weapons, it's about getting the Elysian technology. Everybody's been fighting over Elysian technology since we got rid of the Aletians. It's always been that since that time the Middle east has never been stable following the fall of Persia. Never again. That's on record. The hands it's past has been dozens since then. Just leaders. Every couple of hundred years another leader. Quick, fast, no consistent ruling party. Because everybody's always being attacked. Always, usually around the neck of the Persian Gulf. And always absolutely nobody arguing what's happening in Palestine.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Weirdly enough, the fall of the Elysians and the rise of an indefinite war state and open air prison coincide. Also weird coincidence. Just throwing that out there, all of it. Lines Up. I think. I think that is exactly what happened. I think they didn't go anywhere. I think they were gonna keep experimenting. And eventually they f***** up with Jesus. And everybody knew where they were. And it wasn't even a thought. We just knew what to do. It's like we know. We know where they are. It's over. We can stop them. They run, we catch as many as.

Cristina: We can, and then. I don't know. And then we keep them. Yeah, prison.

Jack: We keep them there, but the others ran away. The idea is now they're not close enough and they're not prepared enough. They have to restart and rebuild with whatever they had. We get to catch up.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So now it's dangerous to come towards us. Now we got nuclear weaponry, and we've seen them for years. Show up in what? What do we know? That these ships come out of the water, fl. Fly over land. That sounds exactly like what we think it is. Spaceships and crap. UFOs and, like, they all fit the suit. They've been trying to stay out of distance and trying to stay invisible, but still trying to experiment simultaneously.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It became more secretive because they know.

Cristina: Because we know.

Jack: Because we know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And alien sightings so happen to coincide with this, why? Because chariots become saucers roughly around that time. Yeah.

Cristina: Makes sense. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. Yes, they are our aliens.

Jack: They are our aliens and our old gods, but yes. Yes, they are. And not even aliens, really. They're just weird. So we call them aliens. But they are from here.

Cristina: Yes, that's true. Yeah.

Jack: And we kind of broke off from the same thing.

Cristina: We were one, but they did something.

Jack: They went elsewhere. And without mixing and diluting it, the pure hardest, surviving in a small compact area, just kept evolving and pushing there. Only the one guy with the best genes, his kids would make it because he would beat the crap out of all the other men. And it's like, well, now his strongest kid kills all the other strong kids.

Cristina: But then they make us, too.

Jack: Yeah. Eventually there's the ones who started tampering with us. They really, really evolved over millions of years. And we slowly evolved, and then they started f****** with us. And then we started to catch up.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: And then the. The Singularity happened.

Cristina: Where?

Jack: Where their creations outsmarted them. We came for them.

Cristina: Okay? And that's what happened.

Jack: And that's what happened. The Singularity. The Elysian Singularity. We are the machines they made. The Elysian Singularity happened and we took over. And we took over. Now it's Our planet.

Cristina: Yes. And we still have some of them hostage.

Jack: And we still have some of them hostage. That we can prove that DNA only exists primarily there. Just a fact.

Cristina: That makes sense. Okay. And then we're just. We just want that water because of what's in it.

Jack: Yeah. There's something important down there. Whether it be tech. Or maybe their evolutionary process is because of something there that sped it up. Maybe the key to Asriel discovering immortality is along that water.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Who knows? Magnum opus was found there.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: There's something about it.

Cristina: Something there. Yeah. That's crazy.

Jack: The Gazans might be descendants of the Elysians. Human now, but with just enough trace DNA left that we don't trust it.

Cristina: Yes. That's so crazy. And the way they're just treated. But they're not even like them anymore. They don't have the weapons. They don't have.

Jack: They don't have any of it. None of it. None of it. They're just us now. Yeah, but still we're treating them like that.

Cristina: It must have been bad.

Jack: I mean, over a few millions of years of something else f****** with you. And definitely killing everything it wanted all the time for s**** and giggles with seemingly no goal. I guess you just kind of retaliate eventually.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It just happens. And that moment happened. Their singularity happened. It looks like everything kind of lines up with that. I think that is the conclusion.

Cristina: I think so. Yeah.

Jack: I think I just wrapped up all the questions.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Where they went, where they came back. What they were doing while they were there. Who the target was, the bad guy, who we thought was the good guy, who we knew was a bad guy to begin with and then got muddied and confused. They are also the ones who changed narratives. The Bible is controlled by them. They're the ones who told everybody the stories. They made deals with humans, as we know.

Cristina: Then they killed us a bunch of times.

Jack: Yeah. Church is humans that still side with them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the one. And brainwashed over years. Because that was the point. So they went into hiding and then got humans to continue brainwashing us so they can be complacent and they can do weird s*** for hundreds of years afterwards. Angels can still show up and talk to people and crap like that, you know.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, now what they get out of it? Do they believe it?

Jack: The people?

Cristina: Yeah. That's in.

Jack: They're all brainwashed into it. And just for the sake of them being able to manipulate and control the people and do things.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah. I think you figured it out.

Jack: I think I figured it out too. I think the Alicians are the ancestors of the Gaza people. People of Gaza.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: Palestinians. They're there after a crazy migration where they had to escape. It looks like there was a tremendous effort by everybody in the region to completely f*** these people. It looks like it happened within the one period of time that we know s*** hit the fan and they had to leave. And why did they have to leave? We were like, oh, maybe they just don't want. Well, no, now we have the answer to why that was an issue, that their location was advertised. It wasn't privacy. It was privacy, but that wasn't like, the main concern is we're gonna be.

Cristina: F****** murdered because of those things they were doing.

Jack: Because of things they were doing. And once their location's advertised, they. They scramble. It's not even. There's not even a plan. Send her f****** one way and we go the f****** other.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And still we caught them in the middle of it. And they got picked off. As many of them as we can. And those that we didn't pick off, we trapped. And the rest fled and disappeared.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Mass extinction.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And thus the. That strand of DNA. I don't even remember the name of that strand of DNA anymore. But that individual strand of DNA that isn't Neanderthal, or. Let me see if I can find the name of it. Okay. The J1 DNA strand just suddenly ceases. And it's because we have gone out of our way to kill that group of people. And all that survives is the E1B.1B.

Cristina: Because of what they did.

Jack: Because of what they did. It was their fault. We were the prisoners for always. Then we retaliated. And now those are the people of Gaza.

Cristina: Okay. Crazy story. It's a crazy story.

Jack: Now those aren't the same people that did it to us anymore.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: That DNA has been watered down. They don't have the technology, the intelligence, the ability of this.

Cristina: Yeah, Nothing like them, but, yeah, that's.

Jack: Pretty much what it is. I think I found the answer to everything or most of it.

Cristina: I think you did.

Jack: And I do think the dialogue, the way they communicate, explains these titles and names lasting for such crazy amounts of time. They literally developed language in isolation, like it wasn't language that evolved from any other language. They developed their method of communication away from other apes. They had a different language. And then other apes developed their other own language, independent of the Elysians original line. That's interesting. And this kind of reminds me of. There's a Brazilian ancient tribe that to this day can still. Instead of writing, they tell their stories and knots. And it's like. That's such a weird mind f*** to think that they're communicating like that.

Cristina: Yes, that is.

Jack: But that's a good example of how an entirely different communication path can look absolutely alien. We have to apply that to a group of apes that completely evolved in isolation, developed language and technology independent of anything we would develop later. And then we would add parts of their things to ours. So we have our ancient structures made of these stones and blah, blah, blah, and this thing and that thing. And then we have inside them weird scientific inscriptions and metallic tips and Tesla coils. And it's like, okay. Weird hybrid merger. This shouldn't make sense. It's all in front of us. It's always been in front of us. Everything. Everything fits into this narrative. Every part of it.

Cristina: It's weird. So Jesus helped us though.

Jack: Yes. Indirectly.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Jesus was just another step of more experimentation that was probably gonna go dark if it worked out. Could know what we're all thinking whenever we're thinking. It could be in our heads, literally. You were trying to imitate the power of Hermes.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, what if they were successful? What if they decided to do more than that?

Jack: Yeah. It's as we know it wasn't gonna stop.

Cristina: And why aren't there, like, why couldn't he make more of himself?

Jack: Jesus?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't think he wanted to.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They immediately disowned his a**.

Cristina: Why would he help them out of his own curiosities?

Jack: I guess he could easily do whatever he seems like he's born as Op. As Hermes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's like there was no real obstacle. And just his birth was enough to screw over the Elysians indefinitely.

Cristina: I guess. Yeah.

Jack: And then that would just mean that we take these things as interpretation or we take them as literal. And in either one of these two meanings, it looks like everybody was referring to this random group of people who showed up and were, quote, human unquote, but weren't like other humans. They weren't there before. They just popped up. They came from the other side. And then now they're here just like us. Totally. And we're not going to address it.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: And we indefinitely always side with Israel regardless of what weird dark things they do. Regardless of what's happening. Weird. Weird. But maybe they have a different type of morality that we understand is for the good, but they can do it in a way that they don't care how it looks. And so it looks like we're the crazy ones, always siding with them. But our leaders are aware that like. No, they're doing what they gotta.

Cristina: That's crazy. I guess.

Jack: You see, it's really strange, but it. There's a picture here that's kind of clear after we get those little bits of detail from history.

Cristina: Yeah. So that makes us good guys.

Jack: Makes us the good guys. It makes. We still kill each other. But we rather that. Think about it.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: That's all it is. Yeah, we still kill each other. We're not the good guys. There's no good guy. But no, we rather that. And to be honest, if we look at the alternative. What is the alternative? The alternative is that you are experimented on and you are an animal forever.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. No, f*** that.

Cristina: No, f*** that.

Jack: The singularity happened.

Cristina: And I guess.

Jack: And it's gonna happen to us eventually. It will happen to us. The machines will do it. And maybe the machines is a step now, but we know we're gonna make them look more human and we're gonna make them behave more human. We're gonna give them internal things that are gonna work almost identical to humans, but they're gonna work off of a fuel we can create very easily. And then we're gonna die off. And then that's gonna take over the world. And then they're gonna forget where they came from. And then the cycle is gonna keep repeating. The singularity is gonna happen to them.

Cristina: Of course. That's cool.

Jack: That's what I found.

Cristina: That is ridiculous.

Jack: I guess. I don't know. We know where they are. We know what their DNA is. There's two locations. Yeah, that they could also be.

Cristina: But we sort of know about those locations.

Jack: We know about those locations. We can't access them. But it ain't like they're coming out anytime soon.

Cristina: That's so crazy.

Jack: Okay, so they're sort of in prison there too. A prison they control and they make. Okay, but they ain't leaving there. The time it took them to get ready to recover.

Cristina: The time it took them to swim in space.

Jack: Yeah, because we know that their closest allies dipped too. Because their closest allies were helping them. The Egyptian gods. The. Not the Egyptians God. The sun gods, the earth gods. The. What is sun gods? Earth gods.

Cristina: No, Earth.

Jack: Yeah, it's the earth gods. And the sun gods.

Cristina: Moon. No, we weren't helping.

Jack: Those are the shadow people.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: And the Garden of Eden. Like all these people dipped all of them. Because they were equally guilty. Those were humans that were with the Aletians. And we know by their own records that they also had weird, massive evacuations at the same f****** time.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: The world turned on the Aletians and everybody who was with them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Cause them.

Cristina: Yes, that makes sense.

Jack: That's makes sense.

Cristina: And they all left. Yep.

Jack: They went up, they went down, they went in, they went out, but they got the out. That's all that matters.

Cristina: Yes. Cool.

Jack: Because we weren't having it. It was done. The singularity happened, and now humans rule.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Fire.

Cristina: I guess. So we win in the end.

Jack: We win in the end. There is no good guys amongst ourselves. But us versus them were the good guys. And they are still fighting with manipulation of the minds of some of us. But they're not really winning. It's small potatoes. You guys aren't powerful the way you used to be unless they've devolved into doing it through the political structure. And they are the shady person in the other end. They are the top of the pyramid, through politics, through power, through money. At the very, very top, the guy the President talks to, his boss goes.

Cristina: To because of what's happening to cause. Because they wouldn't let that happen.

Jack: They wouldn't let that happen. So it's not them, then.

Cristina: Yeah, it couldn't be.

Jack: Yeah, it's.

Cristina: And if it is them, then that wouldn't. That's more questions of, like, why.

Jack: Yeah. No, it wouldn't even make sense. It wouldn't even make sense.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: I think we solved it. They're definitely gone. They're suppressed. And there's no way we have their technology. There are people left and they abandoned so quick. We still got a hold of some of their. And then our technological explosion happens because we got a hold of the they left behind, see? And here we are. Now, you can't f*** with us. You don't have it. You have to evacuate. And you took some of it, but we had a bunch of it too. And there's way more of us than there's ever been of you.

Cristina: Mm. But we need more of it. That's what we're looking.

Jack: And we are always looking for more of it. Because also, it's how we settle s*** between each other. We know that everybody's working on crazy advanced technologies in secret, and we know that we've acquired weird technologies that we have a found. It's also to keep each other in check. But also, regardless of how much we're keeping each other in check, we know there's that other thing we want to keep in check always. And that's why you'll see enemies sometimes just side together because, well, this matters more than the possibilities. It kind of answers everything that has ever happened.

Cristina: Yes. That's crazy. I think you did do it. I don't know. Like, where could we go?

Jack: I don't know where we could go either. This sort of answers everything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And there's just. Hermes is a side character. He's not really important to the bigger picture. He's just there and probably gave the idea that led to the creation of Jesus that ultimately f***** everybody over. But, like, thank you, Hermes.

Cristina: I guess.

Jack: But it's also that he's neutral. Right. He doesn't give a s*** about anything.

Cristina: I think they all are, though, in a way.

Jack: All the necromancers. Right.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Nothing matters to them. And so in return, it, like, yeah, I'll tell you the answer, but then it totally collapsed and probably knew it was going to collapse, but whatever you want to know.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Anyways. Anyways, that's what you got, guys. That's. I think. I think it's wrapped. I think that was it.

Cristina: The end of. What are we calling this?

Jack: The Elysian Saga.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Weird.

Cristina: That's so crazy. It's over.

Jack: Yeah. Two years.

Cristina: Two years. But we got a complete story.

Jack: We got a complete story. We found it. We didn't know what we were looking for, but we found it.

Cristina: We found it. Yeah. Awesome.

Jack: So please tell us. Tell us anything you missed based on the information we provided. There's a lot to unpack, or what we missed. There's a lot to look at. You could look at all of this online. Sources are everywhere on this. You can. Maybe I'll just put the whole conversation up. I don't even know. They can see all of it anyways. You guys can hit us up and talk to us. Do that on. Just convopod on TikTok, Instagram, on Twitter, on Facebook.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate, and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And word of mouth, tell everybody this show is existing and that we solved exactly what's happening in the Middle east right now.

Cristina: We did it. No, I don't know. We didn't really do it.

Jack: No, we didn't solve it. We just explained it. Yeah, we explained it.

Cristina: Are we gonna solve it? That's next episode. We're gonna solve it.

Jack: We're gonna solve the war on Gaza.

Cristina: No. Okay. And this has been the Rambling Podcast. Take Nothing personal. Thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

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November 05, 2022

Rambling 199: Historically Bad Heroes

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Who are the Heroes of today’s society? Why have we picked these specific individuals? Are they the saints we paint them out to be? The duo unpacks the corrupt nature of some of the world’s most adored heroes in an episode that has #cancelled written all over it. Worst of all, what good came from our scariest monsters from history? The revelations made are more than most sensitive individuals can handle!

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Topics Discussed:

MLK Gay Sex Parties
Oskar Schindler Death Camps
Nelson Mandela’s 19 Murder Victims
Gandhi’s Child Molestation and Racism
Abraham Lincoln’s Negro Death Camps
Christopher Columbus resulted in the U.S.A.
Hitler’s Actions Result in Fantastic Scientific Advancements
Why Older Men are Pedophilic in Nature

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March 05, 2022

Rambling 165: Society's Need for Attention

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Is there even a war going on? Did the singularity already happen? Is our technology just an artificial super-intelligence manipulating our every move and controlling society as a whole? The answer to this and numerous other disturbing questions are uncovered in this episode as the duo aims to get to the bottom of some of life’s most pressing issues.

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Topics Discussed

War Conspiracies
Bored of Covid
Addictive Technology
Singularity Happened
Chasing Fame
Need for Attention
Darwinism
Standing Out and Blending In
#MeToo Violates Nature
Bill Cosby is Evil
Criminal vs Mental Health Issue
Understanding Evolution
Human Extinction
Everything Based on Everything
Hitler vs Cosby

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February 26, 2022

Rambling 164: World Adrenochrome War III

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Is the United States a hypocrite for accusing Russia of being evil for doing to Ukraine the same thing they planned to do to North Korea and for the same reason? Is this entire crisis another ploy by the gods to milk fear from the population in order to sustain their life force? Do Bigfoot poop babies have the same abilities as Bigfoot Adrenochrome creatures? Just as the beginning stages of world war III begin to show, the duo answer many long time questions, report some mistakes, some successes and unpack the crisis happening overseas with the right news! The Good ole illuminati way!

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Topics Discussed

Russia/Ukraine Crisis
United States Hypocrisy
Propaganda News Media
U.S. to North Korea/Russia to Ukraine
Weapons of Mass Destruction
Soldiers from Afghanistan to Ukraine
U.S. Sanctions on Russia
Does U.S. Care About Any Lives?
China vs India
Adrenochrome Resource
Gods Starving
Bigfoot Rapes Jack
New Groundhog Weather God
Human Magic Mind

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November 12, 2021

Rambling 151: Powerful Beings

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Was Jehovah a single person or a group of people? Are Jehovah’s angels just Zeus’ children rewritten? Are the soldiers in Jehovah’s army (angels) roughly as powerful as Jehovah, but they merely believe in his philosophy and follow him rather than attempting to replace him? The duo unpack the possibility that Jehovah and his angels were merely a powerful group of humans with adrenochrome on their side at war with other factions of humans achieving the same abilities awarded by adrenochrome but through other rituals and traditions. What they discover about Hitler and Jehovah in the process is something no one could have ever predicted!

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Topics Discussed

Hitler
Zeus
Jehovah
Adrenochrome
Power
Biblical Giants
Small Humans
Biblical Metaphors
Omniscience
Nothingness
The Garden of Eden

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August 14, 2021

Rambling 139: Electricity Apocalypse

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What happens if the world’s electrical equipment stopped working? How long before society broke down? How what would be the best plan of action to survive? The duo unpacks how to survive in an increasingly hostile world after the power grids go down.

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Topics Discussed

Wireless Headphones
Technology Co-Dependency
Dog Eat Dog World
Slow Societal Collapse
Apocalyptic Play by Play
Cannibalism
Looting
Global Food Supply Breakdown
Survival Supplies
Crop Growing
River Settlement

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August 07, 2021

Rambling 138: The Lore of JCP

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What happen to the original hosts of the JCP? Why have there been so many clones? What is the one arm eye patch wearing clone doing right now? How many cockroach children does Jack have? And if Cristy’s backyard portal safe for tourism? The duo unpack the lore of The Just Conversation Podcast!

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Topics Discussed

Giving Listeners Cancer
Subhumans
Reptilians
Magic Cat People
Universe 2 Mars
Cockroach War
Quantum Computer
Time Machine
Portal
Clones
Ghosts
Zombie Island
Ish Hacking
Werewolves
Adrenochrome
Clinton Road
Creepy Pasta

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September 12, 2020

Rambling 102: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories

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9/11 Conspiracy, Conspiracy Theory, Crime, Terrorism, Attack, research, data, information, science, discussion, debate, idea, thought, The Just Conversation Podcast

Was 9/11 an inside job? What was the purpose of this event and how was it orchestrated? Answers to that and more on this episode of Just Conversation!

Story
On their search for truth our clone duo finally cracks open the 9/11 case to dig deep into its history and its motivations. Following the connecting dots takes them to foreign countries and even to a reptilian plot to create emergency supplies of adrenochrome! And that’s them just getting started. What our duo discovers will alter what they thought was true and reshape their reality in ways they could have never expected!

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Topics Discussed

Elite Foresight
Sketchy Military Activity
Israeli Spies
Bin Laden Tapes
Missiles and Holograms
Demolition Theory
Adrenochrome Drought Theory
Insider Trading
Fear Created to Legislate
Dummy Planes
Pentagon’s Missing Plane
Flight 93
9/11 Parties

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February 15, 2020

Rambling 79: Coronavirus Conspiracy

February 15, 2020/ GreyThoughts.Info

Covid19, Coronavirus, Virus, Pandemic, Conspiracy Theory, Coronavirus Conspiracy, Theory, Idea, Research, Science, Discussion

Why did the outbreak begin? Theories on the Origin of the Corona Virus.

Story:
After the recent outbreak of the Corona Virus in China, the duo unpacks it’s origin story and how it links to world politics. As the waters heat up between the United States and China biological warfare enters the picture as a solution for avoiding nuclear warfare, but a Royal British government clone has bigger plans with a Global Population Control scheme. All this and much, much more, on this episode of Just Conversation.

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Topics Discussed

Chinese Bio-Weapon Experimentation
Secret Virus Testing
Biological Warfare
The Umbrella Corporation
Resident Evil
Human Experimentation
Engineered Pandemic
Nuclear War & Radioactive Fallout
The Spread of Aids
U.S./China Trade Agreement
Vaccination
Queen Elizabeth III (The Clone)
The Crown’s Secret Plan
The New World Order

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