Rambling 180: Original Hosts
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Before the clones took over the show, why were the original hosts so valuable to the Illuminati? Does the portal in Cristy’s backyard have something to do with their disappearance or early demise? The duo investigates the original two hosts they were cloned from and questions why the events of the show have turned out as they have, ultimately landing them at a conclusion they’d never expected!
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Topics Discussed:
- Time Travel
- Illuminati Clones
- Conspiracy Theories
- Original Show Hosts
- -Nazi Germany
- Prodigy 16 Year Old
- Genetic Manipulation
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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.
Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.
Jack: This is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. Like that subtle shift of this introduction.
Cristina: Whoa.
Jack: Whoa. Did we. I said that last episode, right? I wanted this changed.
Cristina: You did?
Jack: I think so.
Cristina: It's weird without childish ways or whatever.
Jack: And now we're grown ups. Now we're adults.
Cristina: When do we grow up? We started six years old now.
Jack: What? Yeah.
Cristina: We're clones or something, right? We're less than six.
Jack: Well, yeah. We're less than six because of two things.
Cristina: Because.
Jack: We were cloned somewhere in, like, season three or late two. So we would at least be, like a year and a half younger than the show.
Cristina: Whoa. Yeah, we're really young. So how old do you think how.
Jack: Old we would be? Like four and a half.
Cristina: Oh, wow.
Jack: Yep. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy, right?
Cristina: That is crazy. Except for you're not the same person that was a ghost robot.
Jack: I. Look.
Cristina: How old do you think that person was?
Jack: He was 64 years.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: As a old man and then 64 years as a ghost. No, it was. What? It was some s*** like that, right? It was 64 years. We've had this conversation before. Trying to recall this old man. That was me, right?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: I'm cloned from some weird mythical. Isn't that weird? I'm cloned from some weird mythical creature that, for whatever reason, we haven't gone to hunt yet.
Cristina: We should. Because he knows something about the future that we're trying to solve at the moment.
Jack: Is that the same one that does know about the future?
Cristina: I think so.
Jack: There's too many.
Cristina: I think he's the same dude.
Jack: Word. Because I get that time travel has a lot of problems.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: But, like, when you really think about it, if you're not keeping active track of clones, then you can never really know which one's the real one and which, like, who did what at any given moment. Because everything about them is identical.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: They're as identical as two people can be. More identical than twins. They're literally the same person.
Cristina: Yes, but you wouldn't. I mean, you, though, would know. Maybe if you don't have those memories, you know, at least that wasn't you.
Jack: No, you. Yeah. You would know. I guess. I suppose. But, like, if I am telling you the investigator. No, I remember. I wasn't there. But then he's also saying the same thing.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Who you gonna believe?
Cristina: I don't know. Yeah. If it has to be one of you guys.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Lie detector. Then again, it could be a third clone, I guess. I don't know.
Jack: Interesting. No lie detector breaks that.
Cristina: Really?
Jack: Yeah, if it works the way we're told it works. A lie detector should in theory just be able to prove it. Okay, like f*** your everything is the same. One of you is lying. Like factually on paper.
Cristina: It's not you. As far as we know, you're not the person time traveling.
Jack: But I'm cloned from that guy. Yes, but some. How the f*** did they make me different? How does cloning work in our f****** universe? You know, because why am I not also just him? Why am I me?
Cristina: How? You're not very different from him. Do you mean like younger?
Jack: No, like why am I not over here time traveling and like changing the world too?
Cristina: Well, you're not there yet, maybe.
Jack: No, I'm cloned from that guy. He didn't show up from the future? No, he was just.
Cristina: He was just doing it.
Jack: I literally have those memories type of s***.
Cristina: You have those memories like.
Jack: Of course I would. I was cloned after that.
Cristina: Oh, okay. But then how do you know that's not you?
Jack: Well, somehow, provably, I'm a clone of that guy, right?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Then at that point still, why am I not behaving like him? Because I'm still. I still have those emotions and thoughts, right? What's the difference?
Cristina: What if he figured something out? Something after I was cloned from him? No. I guess. Then you should know. Then you should know what happened. Why he was doing all those things.
Jack: I should. Right? That's a huge plot hole.
Cristina: That's huge plot hole. Because at one moment he was trying to give everyone hiv and the other he's trying to.
Jack: No, he wasn't in. Oh yeah, he was.
Cristina: Those are two different versions of him. But he is the same dude.
Jack: And it wasn't hiv, it was AIDS candy.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: In a van with the sign AIDS candy written on the side. And he was. This is in the 80s and he was giving. He was only in predominantly black neighborhoods.
Cristina: Isn't this. That's the 80s. But also his explanation of 9, 11.
Jack: Really? I feel I sort of remember that. What do you mean?
Cristina: Yes, because I remember I wasn't there because I wasn't alive or the real me wasn't alive because she was like 11 or 12.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you were 16.
Cristina: Oh, 16.
Jack: So none of this had happened so far. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You have no memory of something that you weren't alive for. So you've never heard of 9 11, which I had to tell you about.
Cristina: Yes. That version of you was telling me about. I think it was that version of you, I guess.
Jack: Was I cloned from directly from that guy or from the dude who followed him?
Cristina: Oh, yes. Here. Yes. I don't know.
Jack: Or are we all cloned from the same one guy? Because they have the DNA. It's not like we're a clone of a clone.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Except there is a clone of a clone out there and he's the slow one.
Cristina: Yes, He's a slow one.
Jack: He's the one with the one arm, right?
Cristina: Yes. He's an old white dude with a robot arm or something.
Jack: Like one eye and one eye. Yep. Dude. Okay. When we did see this billboard with that guy on it.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Right.
Cristina: You know, he's a model now. Good. He's not killing. He's gonna kill you. He really believed he killed you.
Jack: He really had an eye patch?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And a robot arm?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: What was he doing? What? Like, let's. Let's.
Cristina: What was he doing?
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: He was probably born like that. He was just born. Defected.
Jack: Whoa.
Cristina: Yeah. He killed germs thinking it was you. And then he became a model. That makes sense, man.
Jack: That was an astounding moment of like. Whoa. We really. We caught you, dude.
Cristina: We caught him. Yep.
Jack: But he's easy to catch because he's super slow.
Cristina: And also he's got one arm and one eye.
Jack: One arm and one eye? Yeah. He's not like, real useful anything.
Cristina: No.
Jack: Whoa.
Cristina: That's crazy. He's a model.
Jack: I mean, disabled people need models, right?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: That's real. That's fair. Disabled people do need models. You got a. What is it? Everybody wants to see themselves represented in something, I guess.
Cristina: But why is he so old?
Jack: What? Old people can't get support?
Cristina: No. Like, how is this clone version of you old? But you're young. I know. The original was old. And all the ones that came after him were younger. Except for the one that was disabled. The clone of clone was old again. Or is that part of it going wrong? Because he's a clone of clone. He was the same age, probably of the guy. The original you.
Jack: Well, no, here's a real interesting question. This is truly. Because. Okay, so we're patching plot holes right now.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: That's a real good question as to. But it was never established that I was young. I suppose.
Cristina: I guess you could still Be old.
Jack: Except no, because our images have me being all young, so I'm visibly. There's at least suggestion that I'm young.
Cristina: Well, you could also be doing what all the Internet people do. Have a fake representation of yourself. Nah, nah, nah. That's you.
Jack: But the question is, how'd that happen?
Cristina: How that happened?
Jack: How do we patch that hole?
Cristina: I think him being the broken one is a good reason.
Jack: No, not why. Not him. Why am I young?
Cristina: Because they want younger versions of us.
Jack: Okay.
Cristina: Would they want older version of you? Our bosses?
Jack: So that's also to say that I've been with the Illuminati straight through. Having been whatever I was.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Then a ghost. Then a ghost robot. I'm just some wonder. Or that original guy.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So you'd been working with the Illuminati for a long time. Trusted. That's why we're high ranking. You know, we've been involved.
Cristina: We didn't earn this. Our other version.
Jack: But you're actually 16.
Cristina: Oh, yeah.
Jack: You're just cloned out of a 16 year old.
Cristina: So.
Jack: Yes, well, we got to figure that out. But guess I guess his background, right? We're finding out like some origin story.
Cristina: Yes, yes, but.
Jack: So I'm cloned from a clone. Not cloned from a clone, but I'm cloned from a guy with two other clones. One from a different timeline. And we come from that first clone. No, because we're all clone. No, we might be cloned from the same one clone.
Cristina: No, no.
Jack: It's just stored DNA. Right. All the clones. Okay, back to point A. I'm cloned from a guy with three other clones.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Four clones total. Plus the guy. The guy himself has been an Illuminati.
Cristina: Employee for many, many, many, many years.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Could be hundreds of afterlife.
Jack: Yeah, it could be. Well known. Yeah, for sure. But together, all of it is over a hundred years. Could be several hundred years. Who knows? So he's ranking and then he. He turns on them. Yes, but he doesn't get killed. The first clone does.
Cristina: He doesn't get killed.
Jack: Or he did. It was. It was just in the middle of an episode.
Cristina: Yeah, it was the middle episode. It was just a random episode.
Jack: Yeah, they straight up, just like people walked in, popped them and.
Cristina: How do you even pop a ghost.
Jack: At the power of the Illuminati.
Cristina: Maybe they just don't trust technology anymore. They're like, nah, Interesting. We got something better.
Jack: Then the clone is. Who's using a time machine. The first clone.
Jack: Right. Patching those holes. You see I guess. Hella plot holes. S*** we've never thought about it could be.
Cristina: Okay, so there's a clone that was using the time machine to save the world.
Jack: Allegedly.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: That's the same one that dropped nukes on the cockroach people.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So like.
Cristina: Well, he thought the cockroach people were a danger to us too.
Jack: Basically. You're telling me he's the brotherhood from Fallout?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: He's like, I'm gonna save the world by killing everything that's not human. Even if it's sentient and not harmful. Just if it's not human. Killing it.
Cristina: But that wasn't you. Because you married the cockroach wife. You have the cockroach wife. That's you. You.
Jack: Interesting.
Cristina: Unless you and these clones are all alive. I mean, you are all alive.
Jack: Some of us, I think. There's only one dead, Apparently. We're really hard to kill.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Which then brings up the other question of if this creature that was me originally happened to be whatever he was. And then a ghost and then robot ghost.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: How did they just off him? Is he just still around and simply not hosting the show? And we never. We were never told he was dead. It was just in the middle of an episode. We were just there. Now we're finishing the conversation.
Cristina: Maybe he's in retirement. I guess that's a possibility. They just needed to.
Jack: Or he dipped.
Cristina: He dipped?
Jack: Yeah. He just left. They're chasing him. They're hunting him. What if. What if we can put a request and our job is to hunt that thing.
Cristina: You.
Jack: Me?
Cristina: Why?
Jack: The original me? To find out what the this origin story is.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Oh.
Cristina: What you really are or what he really is?
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Because you're still human. I'm still human? Well, you're not human, but.
Jack: Yeah, like I am human.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: I'm just a clone of a human. But that doesn't stop me from being human.
Cristina: But if he's not human, then what.
Jack: Does that mean Exactly. If he's not human. What's going on? But okay. High ranking cloned. Yeah, sure.
Cristina: That's the 16 year old girl. Psychic sidekick.
Jack: Yes. Now how the h*** did this happen? So some 16 year old girl who somehow isn't just an employee in the Illuminati, but a particularly high ranking employee in the milane. In the Illuminati?
Cristina: Yes. They don't have a problem with working with children.
Jack: Right. But what did your original person, I guess you were the prodigy of this.
Cristina: Whatever, find out that he's her father? Oh my God.
Jack: That's Crazy, Right? Because it's basically. He was training the little girl. Right. Because little girl, you.
Cristina: Yes, he was educating me.
Jack: Yeah. Thus you were also talking s*** at the time that you were both off.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Or you both dipped.
Cristina: Yes. Oh my gosh.
Jack: They could still be out there. Bonnie. Bonnie and Clyding. S***.
Cristina: Okay, well, I hope they don't have a romantic relationship because that's very disturbing.
Jack: Yes. What is it? A 200 year old thing?
Cristina: Thing.
Jack: And a 16 year old human.
Cristina: Oh my gosh. It's Twilight. Except without the vampires.
Jack: Whoa. It is Twilight. Because Twilight was high school.
Cristina: Yeah, but he's like, how old?
Jack: And she was like not even a senior. Right?
Cristina: Yeah. So, yeah, she was like 16, maybe.
Jack: Whoa, dude.
Cristina: Stern.
Jack: Oh, s***. I guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's extra romantic. According to teenage, like tweens. Yeah, according to tweens. That's very romantic.
Cristina: Very.
Jack: But it's because all tweens are like emo girls.
Cristina: Emo girls. That means they're into very old men pretending to be young. I don't know. I don't know, sister.
Jack: I bet. That's the thing. I bet somewhere there's a girl who's.
Cristina: Like 15 dating a 30 year old.
Jack: Dating like a. Like a 50 year old, but he's gothed out and she's like, he's so cool.
Cristina: Actually, I think I have.
Jack: Cool. He is.
Cristina: There has been a show, one of those True Life episodes. Or there. You know, they're the random episodes about random things. I don't know if you remember that show. Is it mtv?
Jack: Yeah. Like My Strange Addiction or something.
Cristina: Yes, yes. Well, in my True Life, there was one episode of young people dating older people and there was a girl who was dating older men, and those older men just happened to be very thin, white, goth men. She had a type.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, no, that. I swear, that's. That fits. It feels right.
Cristina: It feels like maybe 18. So it wasn't like that inappropriate. But of course her parents were disapproval of it because she's still living with them and they're like 30 or 40 year old. The guys she's into.
Jack: Yeah. So she. She's into that Dracula feel.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Of like. Oh, he's this older hypnotic vampire guy.
Cristina: Yeah. And he's just some, I don't know, hobo guy who plays video games all day and has a rock band. He's part of a rock band. He has to be.
Jack: Yeah, I guess so.
Cristina: That's the most important part. If he's not in a rock band, what's the point?
Jack: Wait so what the f*** is. So what is the lesson that this dude was teaching you? Right.
Cristina: Oh, yes. I don't know.
Jack: He was mentoring. Maybe he was showing you the ropes.
Cristina: Then what would be the point of running away if.
Jack: No, because they're both talking s***. They're gonna be kick killed or whatever. Maybe that's why we're told they're killed. They're not.
Jack: Maybe that's above our pay grade.
Cristina: Yeah. So maybe they're still part of the Illuminati.
Jack: Like, they went into super Illuminati, like, super duper secret world.
Cristina: We know there's a world outside our world that we can't talk about.
Jack: Oh, you think they went to the other side?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Of the wall?
Cristina: Yes. And we can't talk about that.
Jack: So why can't we talk about that?
Cristina: I thought you said we couldn't.
Jack: Oh, we can't say anything about what? Well, yeah.
Cristina: Didn't you say that? I feel like you said that in that episode we couldn't talk about it. Or did you say we just. I don't remember what you said. I feel like you said we couldn't.
Jack: What, like, ever mention it? No. We had a whole episode about the penguins.
Cristina: Yeah. Oh. I guess we couldn't talk about it as a topic because that's not. That's not really.
Jack: Oh, yeah.
Cristina: Our thing.
Jack: Yeah. We're not allowed. We're not really allowed.
Cristina: Yeah. Like, the people here should know about the stuff here that's happening.
Jack: Yeah. That's what's important. What's happening in this side of things. Anything outside is really not of our business.
Cristina: Exactly. So if they're over there, we can't really say. Even if we found out, could we find out? If we did find out, we could still mention that, right?
Jack: I guess. So if they go up the ranks and are in some super duper secret Illuminati thing, cool. But if they didn't, where was the vat? Why was it more valuable to try to catch them or kill them or whatever made them run away or whatever, if they did get killed? So. Okay, what, What, What's. Why. Why is it way more valuable than just scolding them for talking s***, I.
Cristina: Don'T know, and then cloning them? Because, like, wouldn't you fear that they do the same thing?
Jack: Interesting. But they can mess with genes, try to f*** with how we'll turn out to some degree.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: Which could then explain why I'm not exactly that same person.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: They made sure.
Cristina: Yes. They made sure you weren't. But why is that important?
Jack: But why is that important? Yes, but also the same for you.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So. Okay. Okay, we're getting somewhere. We're doing just as we said. We're grounding humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. That's what we do.
Cristina: This is pretty baffling.
Jack: It's pretty baffling and pretty absurd.
Cristina: Very absurd.
Jack: It's mainly just ideas.
Cristina: Yeah. So. But I don't know.
Jack: Yeah. 16 year old girl, nearly 200 year old ghost robot N***. He was a N*** for 64 years.
Cristina: What?
Jack: Yes. He was in N*** Germany when. Yeah, no, I remember that. He was in N*** Germany for 64 years, then went to America, something happened and he died. And he was a ghost for 64 years. And then got.
Cristina: Then was the drugs in New York or whatever that was.
Jack: As a ghost.
Cristina: As a ghost. Oh my gosh. So weird. A ghost technology to turn him into a robot.
Jack: Yeah. To the maybe the robot tech is ghost tech too. But it's still robot tech. So I could just throw some, slap some skin on there and I look human. So he was looking like a normal person.
Cristina: That is weird.
Jack: Even if he was a ghost. But he was also a robot. You could do a lot with a robot.
Cristina: Yeah. I'm guessing the girl didn't know him as a ghost. Right. Because he would have been a ghost robot by the time she met him, I think.
Jack: Yes. She only knows the robot. Okay, so there was a robot here. Interesting. Unless they brought him back. How did they. How did they get the DNA? Unless they got the DNA. Oh s***. That's why I don't have any of those memories.
Cristina: The ghost robot memories.
Jack: Ghost robot memories.
Cristina: But you have the memories of being a N*** Germany?
Jack: No, I just remembered that that was part of the narrative.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: But the reason is because I'm a clone of from whenever he was the age that I am. That's when they took the sample they used to clone the new clones. His prime. I'm an ex. I look the way he did when he was most valuable.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So what should I be able to do that is now a danger that he's mastered it and the girl that you're cloned from mastered it quickly.
Cristina: I don't understand. You're saying they had like special powers or something?
Jack: Power, information, Something became a danger. That is reason that they were being praised for in the first place.
Cristina: Wish we knew. Because I don't remember.
Jack: Interesting.
Cristina: Shouldn't we have these memories? I feel like I have a lot of memories, but I don't have every Memory?
Jack: No. Because. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? We should have memories of before.
Cristina: We have some, but we don't have them all.
Jack: Like which ones?
Cristina: I don't know. Like being raised as a child.
Jack: Fair. Interesting.
Cristina: I don't remember any of the Illuminati work. Besides the podcast.
Jack: Interesting. Interesting. Besides a podcast and all the missions following it.
Cristina: Yeah, I guess. Okay. Maybe I do have all my memories. Do I? I don't know. It's hard to tell. How do you know?
Jack: I don't remember.
Cristina: You don't remember being in N*** Germany? No, that was the thing. You were there for 60, whatever, years.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: But you don't have those memories, so.
Jack: Maybe they worked on our memories. Right, because they can work on our genes. They could do whatever they want.
Cristina: Exactly.
Jack: And take away the things that made us who they didn't. Like when they cloned us.
Cristina: Something feels wrong about it. I don't think they got rid of us. Because I do remember that before my other version disappeared, I was living with that version of me.
Jack: Oh, interesting.
Cristina: Like, why would they be okay with that?
Jack: Right? Because you weren't cloned afterwards.
Cristina: No.
Jack: Oh, s***. Neither was I. I was working in the facility.
Cristina: What? Oh, yes. But you weren't living with you?
Jack: Yeah, I wasn't even living, like, a life. I was in here, waiting. Oh, no. I was literally just living a normal life. Right?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Then working for the Illuminati. Paperwork style. Then they're like, you got to replace this guy.
Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. You were living your own life.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: That's even more questions.
Jack: Okay, yeah, so they were definitely. I. Oh, I remember what our purpose of being cloned for was. Where'd the organs? Oh, that's why we do know they're dead. They have to be, right? Or they ran away because now we're.
Cristina: The valuable ones, but we were supposed to just be organs.
Jack: Organs.
Cristina: Then why is there so many clones of you? That doesn't make sense.
Jack: S***. We kept going rogue even after they'd f***** with the DNA, keep in mind. No, but. No, no, it doesn't even matter, because we were all cloned around the same time.
Cristina: Mm. So why would they need multiple clones of you and you?
Jack: Well, they all started talking s*** at some point.
Jack: Or went rogue. Somehow, something is wrong with the genetic pool. That interesting, because it's happening to both of our clones.
Cristina: What? We are the clones.
Jack: Yeah, both you and I. We're the only ones who seem to have not gone rogue in a significantly long time.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: All the other ones, there was a lot of bugs. In there. That's interesting. So there are many defects in a lot of the clones.
Cristina: I don't think there's other clones of me. I think I'm the only one left. Only one?
Jack: No, there was a second set of clones that was talking s***. Got killed. You're number three.
Cristina: I'm number three? Yeah. I don't remember that. Yeah.
Jack: It was just a day that an episode in which the two clones again somehow ended up talking s*** in the following episode. It was just another set of clones.
Cristina: Oh, wouldn't that be number two?
Jack: Yeah. Third from the original.
Cristina: Oh, okay. What?
Jack: Yeah. Is that like another plot hole?
Cristina: I think so. How so? We're just getting killed off or we're not getting killed off? What is happening when?
Jack: I don't know. But hold that thought. When original Yu leaves that you were living with, you're not the same one that immediately got called in to work the show.
Cristina: Well, I don't know. What if that Mii had the same memories as this Mii? What if I didn't live with her? Maybe those were memories of the other clone.
Jack: Then you'd be cloned from the clone.
Cristina: Or like, we're very similar. I don't know if I'm clone of the clone because that seems to go wr. I do have. I might have her memories instead of the original one's memories.
Jack: No, because they didn't keep taking new samples.
Cristina: Because I remember living with her.
Jack: So that's what I mean. So you weren't the one originally called into the show after she disappeared.
Cristina: But didn't she also say she was living with her?
Jack: Yes, she the original, and you the clone. So when she disappears, a different clone that isn't you is doing the show. That's the one that talked s***. That clone was removed.
Cristina: But that clone did not say that she was living.
Jack: No, that clone never said that.
Cristina: Okay. That's what I'm asking.
Jack: Oh, that's the she you were referring to?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: I thought by she you meant the original.
Cristina: No, I meant the other clone. Did she ever say that? And you said no?
Jack: Yeah, I think not.
Cristina: Okay. Because if she did say that, then what does that mean?
Jack: You're a clone of a clone.
Cristina: A clone of a clone. Except I didn't go wrong.
Jack: Exactly.
Jack: You're a clone of a clone, but you did not go wrong.
Cristina: Not like you're a virgin. That's beautiful.
Jack: There's something absolutely wrong with. But there's a lot of memes out there.
Cristina: Are they out there? Are they all dead?
Jack: No, there's A couple still wandering out there. The question is, is he original? And if so, can.
Cristina: Can we find him?
Jack: We find that thing and. Why is this girl important?
Cristina: You think she's important?
Jack: I don't know. Why was it important to kill her, too?
Cristina: I know.
Jack: Run her off too.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Or fire her, whatever happened.
Cristina: Whatever happened. Yeah. I don't know. You gotta hear the episodes where they disappeared on.
Jack: Interesting. We're gonna investigate our own show. That's the only way to figure it out, man.
Cristina: Yes. How many shows are there? Two million.
Jack: Two million? I think like two seasons.
Cristina: Two seasons?
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: What does that even mean? 200.
Jack: That's 50. Two times two is 104.
Cristina: I feel like there's way more episodes than that.
Jack: No, 104 is all the clones. Oh, like before us.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Two seasons.
Jack: Two seasons.
Cristina: There's gotta be more. Are you sure?
Jack: Yeah. No, that's it.
Cristina: That's it.
Jack: Yeah. 52 weeks. What? That's it. An episode per week. And actually not even 52 weeks because the last week of every month we had off.
Cristina: Mmm. Okay.
Jack: Boom.
Cristina: I think we can do it.
Jack: It's still like 80 episodes.
Cristina: That's a lot. We could do it. We gotta. Yeah.
Jack: At least. It's only 80 hours.
Cristina: There's so much questions and there's gotta be answers.
Jack: There's gotta be answers. Look, as far as we know, by the way, this is all just happening. Still. Still. While we're waiting on Steve. But interesting enough, we've come up with something to do.
Cristina: Yes. Well, we'll probably figure it out the next Groundhog Day. Who knows? When's that? February. We gotta wait again. It's gonna take him a year for Steve. Yeah.
Jack: Yeah. But we, on the other hand, have tasks now. We have duties that we can. Something. Investigate while he's doing that.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Which is finding the answers to these questions.
Cristina: The mystery where you went, or if you're dead.
Jack: I guess first would be confirming whether I'm dead or not. And then if alive or dead, where. Where did. Did the originator go?
Cristina: I'm assuming. Wait, do we have the time machine?
Jack: We do.
Cristina: We could use it to go backwards to find him.
Jack: No, no, you can use it.
Cristina: You can't come with me, even though you're not him.
Jack: No. Time travel is just real annoying. I'm less interested in doing and finding the answers to these questions than I am absolutely avoiding time travel. So it's like I definitely will avoid time travel more than I give a s*** for that.
Cristina: Okay, then let's not do that.
Jack: Yes. The time machine. Bad news, man.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Interesting toy.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Totally not worth it.
Cristina: Not worth it. Nah. Let's mess up our lives.
Jack: Yeah. It's not even messing up our lives. Because if the point is investigating and we change anything and all the rules of the investigation suddenly changed and we're back to square one. Yeah, that sucks. Totally not worth it. There's nothing we could do because everything is a new interaction. Because we have. We're totally out of place. Everything we do changes everything. By default, anything we're trying to accomplish is going to be altered, and we're back to the beginning of that. But then in the process of trying to get back on track with that will change something else, which then will change infinitely. Looping back.
Cristina: Yes. Does not do that.
Jack: Yeah, nothing we could do about it. The time machine sucks.
Cristina: But there has to be some other way to find this.
Jack: We just have to find them. But where would they hide?
Cristina: Who hide?
Jack: The originals. If they're not. If they are alive. Right. We do investigate this. We do find that they've not been killed. They're not working for the Illuminati. Where did they go? Where would they hide? The best bet would be to find people who knew them, who knew them personally.
Cristina: Okay. So there's at least three people. There might be more people. But there's Dave, the clone who died.
Jack: Yes, but he would have no memory either, because he is now a clone of a clone. The clone? No, the clone who was. Because he was a clone. At least when we met him. And he was then killed off. And a different clone took his place.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So he's also had that scraped.
Cristina: So he can't help us.
Jack: He's useless. Then there's Ish, who's also been killed off.
Cristina: Yes. Well, we don't know if he's the real him or the clone him.
Jack: We know someone did off. But then the interesting thing about him is that him and his clone were so closely related that minus the memories of that version of Jack.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: He wouldn't, like, really tell. You couldn't tell which one was the original. Because they would have. They were. You know, it was like you got cloned. You were. You. You were only around a month before one of you killed the other.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: There's not really a lot of memories you made that would distinguish who you are. And then they already scraped the memories off of one, so I guess that's a gamble. That's a 50. 50. He could be like, what?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: This is the only version of you I've ever Known, Huh?
Cristina: I feel like he would say that. Oh, no. He might be the clone. Okay, then there's Jomar. No, no. Is that the right person? No, that was the guy. He's dead. I don't know.
Jack: Yeah, he's just dipped.
Cristina: He dipped before any of this happened.
Jack: Yes, yes, yes. That's just a guy.
Cristina: Yes, that's just a guy. Germs. There you go.
Jack: Germs. Well, that's a whole other problem. Because germs did get killed. But he didn't get cloned. He didn't work for the Illuminati. His ghost got trapped in.
Cristina: Oh, yeah.
Jack: In the systems. He couldn't theory be listening right now.
Cristina: Oh, I forgot about that. He was just a ghost in here because you killed him. Well, a version of you.
Jack: Yeah. So first we got to get in contact with him and then maybe ask if he has any memory of that or if he just knows some version of the clone.
Cristina: Yes. Crap. So he's not helpful either. And I think that's it. I don't know. Is there anyone else? I don't think so. I can't remember.
Jack: Yeah, I don't know. We have to open quite the severe investigation if we want to just simply. Just to find out who knows these people well.
Cristina: And I don't know any of those people.
Jack: It's. It's pretty hard. It's interesting. Why was the Illuminati so set on getting rid of even the people, bro? Okay, let's be real.
Cristina: Except they weren't planning on germs dying. That was an accident.
Jack: Because I was the clone. That was the dumb clone.
Cristina: Yeah. I was trying to kill you.
Jack: Trying to kill me? Yeah. That was just like. He wasn't an employee or anything. That was some crazy s*** that happened one time.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: You know, just.
Cristina: Just some s*** that happened to get rid of Ish.
Jack: Why we're trying to get rid of. Well, we know Ish has master level hacking abilities.
Cristina: That is true.
Jack: Where'd he get that? He's clearly an employee.
Cristina: Huh?
Jack: And he got cloned. No s***.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Yeah. He's an. Wow. We never thought about that.
Cristina: He was an employee the whole time. He was an employee. We didn't even know.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Oh, man. He's a secret agent.
Jack: He's a super secret agent. Whoa.
Cristina: Well, he got his fool. What? What if he was betraying us the whole time? Who knows, dude?
Jack: He got to play with the portal and everything.
Cristina: He did. Oh my gosh. What if this portal has something to do with it? No, but Dave never did. You talk To Dave about the portal.
Jack: I don't know.
Cristina: He might know about the portal.
Jack: He might. He might have been the first person to f*** with the portal.
Cristina: But he didn't actually do anything like us, because we're not like Ish, who was like, I'm gonna go.
Jack: He experimented like the rest of us.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Ish just hopped straight in. You know, unless Ish is also impulsive enough to use a time machine, so already knew that nothing would go wrong.
Cristina: Interesting thing is that kind of secret. Like he's.
Jack: Dude, he flat out hacked a robot from his cell phone. That doesn't even sound possible.
Cristina: Well, you guys were in a hacking contest also to see who the best hacker was. So I don't know. When did you get hacking skills?
Jack: Yeah, but. Okay, fair enough. So he's a super elite agent as well? Is everybody? For the Illuminati super elite.
Cristina: But he's even more secret than us.
Jack: Well, our whole point is being public.
Cristina: That's true. That's true.
Jack: We just talk about it. We gotta inform people. But he doesn't have to inform anybody of s***.
Cristina: No, he's really.
Jack: He's working.
Cristina: How do we know he didn't kill us?
Jack: Dude, he floats in totally seeming like some rando.
Cristina: Whoa.
Jack: And like, could have totally.
Cristina: We've been betrayed.
Jack: Could have totally.
Cristina: Oh, my gosh.
Jack: You think this is a mole? Yes, there's a mole amongst us.
Cristina: We need to question him. He might know something.
Jack: It's interesting. It really looks like he was just interested in very specific things. Like there'd be no benefit for him to kill. It was just. We get really high priority cases and some of them might seem interesting to other agents, right?
Cristina: I think so.
Jack: So maybe even if he's not solving the case or partaking in it, he just, like, you know, I heard about the thing. I want to go check it out.
Cristina: There's something there. I think he might know something.
Jack: He's involved.
Cristina: He's involved. He was the reason we attacked Mars to begin with.
Jack: He was. Therefore. I don't remember exactly how that played out, but he was there.
Cristina: He was there.
Jack: He was there when that happened. He was there when the cockroach people were destroyed on Mars.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And we destroyed our home. Mars.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: He was there when he's. He had his own clone. We never questioned it.
Cristina: Well, we saw him fight him. Yes. We don't know why he had a clone, but yes, he did.
Jack: Now we know. He's probably an agent.
Cristina: Yeah. He played with the portal.
Jack: He played with the Portal. He has tremendously Overpowered hacking ability.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And. And that hacking display actually took place in an alternate timeline where there was a robot apocalypse happening.
Cristina: I don't know if that was the alternate timeline. I think there's just a apocalypse happening where we. Where the army was.
Jack: Oh, my God. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We went to. Yeah, yeah. This is actually. Oh, s***. That's probably still happening in some random, like, dirt country, one of those countries that Trump hates. What he calls them dirt countries. Right. Some s*** like that. Just real douchebag name. But one of those dirt countries, this.
Cristina: Robot war, was because Obama started Skynet.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're totally right. I remember that.
Cristina: That really happened.
Jack: So that's like, still. That could still be happening. Like, we could still go have casual hacking competitions with the robots that are murdering a bunch of civilians in some Middle Eastern country.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Cristina: I don't know how he got there. I think you sent him there. I don't remember.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cristina: To prove his hacking skills.
Jack: To prove his hacking skills. Yes. Interesting, interesting. And then he was truly astounding. So that's. That's actually a real interesting thing that happened once.
Cristina: I think he has answers.
Jack: You think he has answers? So we need to get him in here and question him.
Cristina: I wonder if Satan is involved because of all the times he's been to h***.
Jack: Interesting.
Cristina: Like.
Jack: Like, is he an informant for the devil?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: This is like some type of s***.
Cristina: Yes. Oh, yes.
Jack: Interesting, interesting.
Jack: So. Ish. Might have something to do with it. Or at least know something.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Also, how does any of this relate to any of our bigger issues?
Cristina: I don't know. You know our bigger issues?
Jack: We had a bunch of cases before. There were barely any cases. It was just reporting on normal s***. But slowly but surely, things started to lose control, and now there's a bunch of crazy s*** to report on. All following their disappearance, I think.
Cristina: Wait, who's the disappearance?
Jack: The originals.
Cristina: Huh?
Jack: Originals disappear.
Cristina: I think the portal is the beginning of everything, though. I don't think it's them disappearing. I think it was the portal and they just happened to disappear. But that might also be part of the mystery. But I think the beginning point of all the weirdness is the portal.
Jack: Okay. Crazy, crazy idea. That happened in the same episode.
Cristina: What?
Jack: The portal happened the same episode that they went missing.
Cristina: I don't know about that. We have to see that. I don't know if that's true. But that would be crazy if that's true. No way.
Jack: Yeah. So there's something happening with the portal. If that's the case. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure it was the Thanksgiving episode.
Cristina: But they didn't go through the portal. No, they just found it.
Jack: They just found the portal.
Cristina: And it's still in my backyard because we can't really touch it.
Jack: We just go through it and end up somewhere else. If we try to touch it.
Cristina: Yeah, it's just there.
Jack: Universe 3.
Cristina: So what could have happened? What?
Jack: What do you see? This is crazy. Interesting.
Cristina: Maybe it's not at the Illuminati sun. Maybe something is protecting the portal.
Jack: No, because Ish was fine.
Cristina: How was he fine?
Jack: Nothing happened to Ish f****** with that portal.
Cristina: No, but he died afterwards.
Jack: He only died. Killed himself. He wasn't killed by anybody but him.
Cristina: Okay, okay.
Jack: There was no beef with the Illuminati. And Ish. It was just like there was too much Ish for Ish.
Cristina: That is true. Okay, never mind. Because everyone else died and he died totally different.
Jack: Totally different circumstance. Death is a fact of the matter. Everybody else died and the portal.
Cristina: Everyone knew about it.
Jack: Everybody knew about it.
Cristina: Except for germs, I guess. But he also died randomly by accident.
Jack: I think he did play with the portal.
Cristina: Really?
Jack: Yeah. But his death was also unrelated. F****** with the portal does not equate to death. No, no, no, no. But something about the portal might equate to the absence of whether it be.
Cristina: Dead or missing or running away.
Jack: Promoted. Oh, you found the portal here. Promotions.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Interesting. So it could be any number of things, but those two things might be our first, most important connection. The appearance of the portal leading to the disappearance of the original two.
Cristina: I think so. I think the portal is way more important than we think. I don't know how it's somehow going to lead to adrenochrome. I don't know every.
Jack: Oh, God, I forgot all about it. I had peace. I had peace of mind for who knows how long. And then you just reminded me that ultimately everything we're doing is some sort of investigation about adrenochrome. Because that predates our biggest problem.
Cristina: Yep. And that's where everything comes from.
Jack: Yes. Actually, not even. Because we. It gets more abstract. We go far back. And if we end up at just fear, which is what's in adrenochrome in the first place. So something about fear. But then who feeds on fear? Shadow Realm. Okay, so now we're back to the Shadow Realm.
Cristina: Does the portal relate to the Shadow Realm? And how.
Jack: And how? Because the portal goes to Universe Three.
Cristina: Three? Yes. And the other portal? One to One. So what does any of this have to do with the other universe? Another world?
Jack: Okay, okay, okay. Before we run out of time, what are our big issues? Our real big issues? Steve is training to talk to the cloud people.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: So they can talk to their leader or their big, powerful thing. God. That thing is gonna communicate with gas giants and stars in order to help us combat our mutual enemy, which is the cat people that are in the great void putting Dyson spheres around stars.
Cristina: That somehow a version of you knew about.
Jack: That somehow a version of me knew about and actively went out of their way to stop. On top of the fact that is that the only beef we have with the cat people. Because they're kind of always hiding. We're just seeking them out.
Cristina: Ultimately, if they have something to do with this, they would.
Jack: Well, that's. Well, first. That's. That's our first path of things.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: The question follows, is any of that related to my original? Like the host, the original Jack.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And the original Christie.
Cristina: Disappearing.
Jack: Disappearing. Or whatever happened. So something happened to them. Question mark on that. We don't know what happened.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: We're here now. We know that.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Is whatever happened to them related to whatever. This problem we're having now with the cat people is because that's also directly connected to the first clone that's related to the. All right, this could all just be a problem. All of that could be a problem of the first clone.
Cristina: Not the first Jack. Just the first.
Jack: Not the first Jack. Just the first clone.
Cristina: Okay. That's true. Okay.
Jack: The cockroach people might actually be associated to the first, not even clone. The original might be associated to the original Jack.
Cristina: But what do they have to do with anything?
Jack: What do you mean?
Cristina: Like, how are they important?
Jack: The cockroach people?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Because that's a connection that Ish and Jack have.
Cristina: Oh. Okay.
Jack: If Ish is related to, then whatever Ish had to do with the cockroach people is the same thing that got Ish connected to the portal. The portal goes to Universe Three, but the portal doesn't necessarily seem to be anything related to any of the other clones. The only two real powerful connections. Because all the other clones interacted with it simply because they were sitting in the same chair and they had the same job. I do.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: That's your only connection to that portal. So they go and investigate a portal relative to that.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Anybody who didn't have that particular job and got around that portal problem. Because there is no reason they should have gotten around that portal. They found a Way there with us. They found ways to tag along with us to get to the portal. Yes, those are people worth suspicion. Those people are somehow connected to whatever happened to the original Jack and Kristen.
Cristina: But they can't help us.
Jack: Well, the only person we know in that scenario that connects to that specific thing is Ish. And that's still a 5050 toss up. Because the one who could know might have killed. Might have been killed. We don't know.
Cristina: We don't know. We gotta investigate him.
Jack: Yes. 5050 toss up.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: So if we lost that connection. We have no other person we know that knows of the portal interacted with the portal knows. And it happened with the original Jack and Chrissy.
Cristina: He knows things.
Jack: Unless that's not him.
Cristina: Unless that's not him.
Jack: In which case unrelated. Yes, but then we still don't know. And we have way less Rhodes there.
Cristina: But we gotta investigate that. So whatever. We have to talk to him.
Jack: Yeah, we gotta find out. We definitely gotta try our best to get that information.
Cristina: Yes. So those are two things. That's it.
Jack: Well, what are again? It's what are our big problems? So we have the cat people, our past. We have this weird lingering question of who the f***. What. Where the f*** they went. What happened?
Cristina: What happened. Question marks everywhere.
Jack: Exactly. How is ish related?
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Yeah, yeah. Because he's a little stinky one.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: It's a little sneaky. And eventual hiding. Maybe in plain sight blending in. Exactly.
Cristina: What if he's. I don't know. Who knows?
Jack: How do the cockroach people relate? How do the Reptilians relate? Is there a bigger picture here? Well, the Reptilians were kind of like a minor nuisance.
Cristina: They were related to world too, not to us.
Jack: They interacted with our world and we stopped them so effortlessly that it's like. I don't see how this was ever a problem.
Cristina: It wasn't really a problem. We just stole something from them and it destroyed everything they had.
Jack: So easy. And then slaves. All the ones we kidnapped. Yeah, so easy. Conquistador style. F*** him.
Cristina: That's pretty bad.
Jack: So whatever. Explore brave new universes. Kidnap the people. Bring them to our side and make them work like good old Earthway.
Cristina: We've done that a lot though, so.
Jack: Yeah, except we killed the Earth people. It was very on brand for the rich people. Yeah, the roach people. Oh, it's very on brand for a guy who was N*** German. That, that checks out. That checks out. That checks out. That fits.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: This narrative wise, very coherent.
Cristina: That's not you that's not me.
Jack: I'm just. I mean, I married a cockroach, but it's totally unreal. I'm so different.
Cristina: You're so different. Yeah.
Jack: So different. Because whatever turned me into a N*** German, a hundred percent. I never experienced that.
Cristina: Yeah, man. So he probably is not the you that went to try to save the humans from the cat people.
Jack: No. These are two very different things.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: One is a hero. I'm neutral. Party as f***. One is a hero. That's a clone. Probably the first clone.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: One potentially a villain. And maybe not even human.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Like never was human, only somehow became human. But then I'm human, so he was human. Interesting.
Cristina: Interesting. Then again, because of the Scooby Doo hybrid thing, maybe you're. He wasn't human.
Jack: I'm thinking he began. He began human. Right. Whatever's happening, began human. N*** Germany happens. High ranking, he gets killed, enters the shadow realm. Does the shadow realm have technology? But if that's the case, then he is somehow connected to the cat people because adrenochrome is also part of the narrative. Because why did he go to the shadow realm?
Cristina: But what does that have to do with the cat people? They don't have anything to do with adrenochrome, as far as I know. Do they?
Jack: I'm assuming they also. Originally. Many years ago. No. Many years ago. Chances are they were some of the first to take adrenochrome.
Cristina: Oh, yes. Okay.
Jack: Back in ancient Egypt days.
Cristina: We don't know for sure, but most likely, yes. That's our guess.
Jack: Yeah. I'm pretty. Yeah. So basically that's one of the things we would confirm upon getting to them.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Because they have the info that their underlings do not.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: So yeah, it's definitely possible that there is a connecting line there. Which means maybe the cappy pulls related to the portal.
Cristina: So everything's connected. Maybe.
Jack: Yeah. Think about it. Original Jack and Christy somehow related to the cat people because adrenochrome, there's a line connecting Ancient Egypt thing, whatever. And then that Jack following his whatever circumstance happened and that Chrissy's circumstance, whatever happened, everything that we investigate that is only popping its head up now all connects back to adrenochrome. So we know whatever happened spiraled some series of events out of control in which a bunch of s*** connected to adrenochrome popped up.
Cristina: Yes. So much.
Jack: So much s***. Everything connected to adrenochrome following that. So original Jack and Christie connect to Adrenochrome as well as the cat people. And original Jack and Christy are. I mean, the. The first set of clones are trying to stop the cat people.
Cristina: Mm. And so are we.
Jack: Which then. Cut it. Which. So are we. Which then connects us and that set of clones.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: To the original. So there's a clusterfuck. Mess of parts moving.
Cristina: But how does the portal connect to Adrenochrome?
Jack: How does the portal connect to adrenochrome? That is. And why is the portal so close and might even be the same episode? So somehow the ball got rolling at that point. You might be right. The portal is the answer. Yes.
Cristina: Okay. That's the main.
Jack: Which tells us another thing. The answer is in universe three, because that's where the portal goes.
Cristina: Whoa. Okay.
Jack: Are we gonna have to go into. Wow. There's. We haven't had a reason until now.
Cristina: To go to universe three. We're gonna do that.
Jack: Universe three. There's a reason to investigate. Whatever answers we're looking for might be over there. And I don'. How, but they might be over there.
Cristina: Let's do it.
Jack: We may have to. We just got to keep this a secret while we investigate it.
Cristina: Okay, so how's this a secret?
Jack: Because we're, like, the biggest news thing on Earth.
Cristina: Exactly. Okay. Everyone listening? Keep it a secret.
Jack: Yeah, keep it a secret. You're gonna help us ground certain baffling ideas. Not what you want to do. Look, man, we're figuring it out. The answers are there.
Cristina: They're there.
Jack: Look hard enough, we'll see them. Somehow this is related. Anyways. Anyways, look, go follow us on socials, you know, on Instagram, on TikTok, on Twitter. Just convopod on Facebook too, you know.
Cristina: And remember to subscribe, rate, and review the show.
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Cristina: Is it below? Is it above? It might be above.
Jack: That might be somewhere. Somewhere. It's usually over the little rectangle where the thing is playing.
Cristina: Somewhere says there.
Jack: Hit the subscribe thing.
Cristina: And yeah, this has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks for listening.
Jack: Listen to me. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. The person who made the cappuccino used an almond. So it's not that the almond is the parent or the gay guy who. The overweight gay guy, specifically who made it and put it there, but it's a child of both of them.
Cristina: Is there overweight gay guy there?
Jack: Yeah, the overweight gay guy is the one who made it for us. Or at least who I saw put it on the thing, and usually the one who made it puts it on the thing.
Cristina: Oh, okay. And he's the father.
Jack: He's the father. And the mama Almond.
Cristina: Why would it be an almond, though? It's a cappuccino.
Jack: Oh, the bean. I don't know. You said almond.
Cristina: I know, but that's wrong.
Jack: Just the bean. The bean. The coffee bean.
Cristina: There's a couple things inside the cappuccino. It could be any of those things.
Jack: Yeah. Yeah.
Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and Published by Great Thoughts.info Art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister, with social media managed by Amber Black.
