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Rambling 298: The Grounding of Stuff Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised. Jack: Going live in 5, 4. Cristina: What does live mean? Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack. Cristina: And I'm your host, Cristina. Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And I think we've been doing that successfully lately. Cristina: Yes. Jack: So last week and the show before then, we were trying to get to what I was trying to talk about this entire time, but we got busy grounding things because that's our job. And that sidetracked us from getting to our one and only goal that this week we're definitely, without a doubt, gonna get to, which is, again, the fill people in on everything. And we've been doing this for a very long time. All we ever haven't. Cristina: Yeah. I don't understand. We've been doing what we've been supposed to be doing. Jack: Well, because grounding is our job, we can easily get sidetracked into grounding things because everything is groundable, if that makes sense. Cristina: So then we've been doing our job. Jack: Yeah, yeah, it's. It kind of loops back and forward to some degree, but I think we have some pretty good Grady greatest hits when it comes to grounding things. I think the whole Elation saga was beautiful. There's a lot, but it's infinite. And like, that gets frustrating. I think finding independent creatures that aren't related to them dope, and many things that are related to them dope. And it's funny because a lot of that, even finding the Elysians, really began about trying to see what the h*** was happening at the Bermuda Triangle. Cristina: That's where it started. Jack: Yeah. We were trying to find out what was happening in the Bermuda Triangle and then looking into clouds. Cristina: And then I thought it started with the unicorns. Jack: Well, that led us to the Alicorn that Antonio Dracohan. And that's kind of technically, that's the beginning. If this was a movie, if this was structured into a movie, the way that it built up into the Elysians. Right. Not even talking about the Elysian specifically, but a meta look at the show we were originally looking at. I think it was. Oh, no. Because then we migrated to the Groundhog. We were just looking at creatures and we were breaking apart clouds. There were some weird cloud patterns that we wanted to look into. And so we went through an entire breakdown of clouds, and then we veered off. We knew that the something weird was happening with that collection of clouds on top of the Bermuda Triangle. So that Allured us. Do you remember that? Cristina: Yes, but I don't think that had anything to do with Alicia. Jack: Not yet. Cristina: That was part of whatever story we had before. Jack: Well, no, because we were trying to find out what was happening directly under them. What was. What were they there for? Why was there a collection of clouds over the Bermuda Triangle? And I think then we looked into the groundhog, which I don't know if he ever finished his training. Cristina: Was it. Yes, he was part of training. To talk to the clouds. To the clouds? To get the clouds to talk to the sun, I think. Jack: Yes, because the sun is technically a cloud, too. Cristina: I think we were trying to stop some impending something from the cat People. Jack: Yes. Maybe an invasion or something. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Oh, no, no. We were trying to originally. Originally find out what was happening with the other stars disappearing in the great void. Cristina: Oh, yes. Jack: And we would need to talk to the sun to do it, which we. Cristina: Would use with clouds, but we thought we could use the. What is it? The. The groundhog. Because he could communicate with the weather. Jack: Yes, exactly. Oh, man. Cristina: The last one just died. So we had to train a new one. Jack: Yes. We had to give him adrenochrome. Cristina: Yes. Jack: He was Phil, right? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: It was Steve. Philly is the one who died. And then Steve was his replacement. A random groundhog we just gave a bunch of adrenochrome and started training. Cristina: Secrets of hogs is that they always were taking adrenochrome. Jack: No, it was specifically the one for. The one that they were talking to. Cristina: Yes. Yes. The groundhog 00:05:00 Cristina: that was chosen for Groundhog Day is always taking a dream. Jack: But that one died. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And so we were training one the way they were doing because we accidentally killed Phil. Cristina: I think so. Jack: I don't remember how we killed Phil, but we killed Phil. I know that much. Cristina: I believe that is right. Jack: And then maybe they don't even know we replaced Phil. They don't know. They're just humans. And then we replace Phil with Steve, and they have no idea. And then secretly we've been training Steve in order to talk to the clouds so that the clouds. Specifically weather, I guess, which was also bouncing off of when we were talking about lightning as a component, but unrelated to the clouds, because those are two different individuals interacting. Cristina: Yeah. So that's the idea. And then we're gonna communicate with the planet somehow. Jack: And then we're gonna get. Go on and on Steve. To talk to the clouds. The clouds would talk to the sun. The sun would. But still, something weird was happening down there. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And actually, Steve wasn't going to talk to the cloud specifically. There was a cloud with a face that we were gonna go talk to. Cristina: And we needed. Jack: Yes, yes. And we needed Steve for that. Cristina: Okay. Jack: So we were specifically gonna talk to that one cloud. That's a cloud. God or some crap. A demi cloud. And he was gonna talk to the sun or something. Cristina: I guess so. Yeah. Jack: Cool. But in doing so, we were like, weird that these clouds have. They're like floating over the. The Bermuda Triangle. And so we veer off and we're looking at different underwater things. I know. We were doing that for a while and we stumble upon. Actually, no, we ignore that for a while because we did Bimini Road, which we didn't. We thought about, you know, leading into the. Again, from a movie's perspective. It saw us doing these things, and then it shows us going somewhere else and discovering a different clue. But the. The. The viewer knows. The viewer knows. It's like, oh, this is related. The Bimini is by the Bahamas. A little tiny road that we looked at a long time ago that had the statues underwater. And it was like, kind of aiming towards the Bermuda Triangle. And we're like, oh, yeah, they're definitely down there because of xyz. Reason we still didn't know that the Elysians are the Atlanteans. We're just like some other people over there. And then we started looking into the Persian Gulf oasis because we were doing Atlanteans in specific. We were still calling them Atlanteans until we got to Antonio Draco. Cristina: I feel like before him, we were talking about the equator. Jack: Yes. Which was another thing related to them, wasn't it? But again, we didn't know. We're just like this giant equator surrounding the Earth. And it looks like these places built along this line were all in communication with one another or in communication with some bigger governing body. But they were all in sync with us. We still haven't found out what the point of that was. I thought we did the whole equator line. I know that a bunch of them died out. Is it because it was the line which. Cristina: Like, which Satan went to give them the tech? I guess it's easier for him to travel in a straight line. Jack: Yeah, I guess. Or maybe delivery was easier between the countries. So, like, we keep passing it down the line. We're all next to each other and he doesn't have to personally deliver it. It'll always keep rolling down the path. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Or maybe the equator is just the line in which the civilizations were Gonna be built like they were starting there. So we see them as just. Cristina: But why did they choose that? Jack: I. Why versus, like become a bubble or. Versus, like anything? Squiggly line. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Why a straight line, Right? Cristina: Yes. Jack: I have a theory on that. And I think it has more to do with Hermes. If you look at a lot of Hermes research, there were a lot of these symbols. He was essentially, if you remember, he was building comprehensive, like transmutation circles with a bunch of detailed symbolism and junk as part of meditation and energy moving and whatever he was doing. I think similar to the Hedron Collider, which is probably one of those. I think this line surrounding the Earth was the beginning of a complicated design that maybe was to envelop the Earth or a design that does in fact envelop the earth. And we have only found that specific 00:10:00 Jack: version of it interesting. Cristina: If it relates like, was he murdering them? Like, did they die off or did he kill them? Jack: No, no, no. Oh, well, that's another interesting. Cristina: Because we know the first. There was a different line and no one made it from that other line. Jack: So you think the Kearney. No. But the equator is just where everything moves along. I guess they must have done it ahead of time. Interesting. Interesting. Look at it like this. Look at it like this. Because this does have to make sense to some degree. Right. The equator gradually shifts place. The globe exists. And the equator is always by itself moving simply because of how rotations work and whatnot. So what if the line is starting to catch up? But they built society there and never told them. These guys are always working in secrecy. And the equator slowly kept migrating to that line. Slowly kept until it lined up. We know that alignments matter. We know the solaces work in Castillo in order to bridge a gate that allows people to go into the Shadow Realm and teleport along. So that's. Alignments matter. Somehow. If they built civilization, let's say north to south and started the line west to east, and it was always moving clockwise. It would eventually migrate from west to east to north to south. If in that moment something happened. Great transmutation. And all those people died. Philosopher stones. This could explain why some of these structures are some of the oldest ever seen. Cristina: Yes, they were. They weren't building on that line when it was the line. No, they were just way before the. Jack: Build on the line. That was unreal. And nothing they could track. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Or understand. Cristina: But someone did. Jack: Yes. And in order to get them to do this successfully, they did need technology. Maybe it was never about sharing the Technology. And the way we think about it, for Lucifer, maybe Jehovah man, we jump back and forth here real hard. Cristina: Bad guy. Jack: Who's the bad guy? Cristina: Okay. But Lucy was doing something sketchy. Jack: He was doing something sketchy. He was doing something really ridiculously sketchy. Because everybody was gone. Cristina: Yes. Jack: There's nobody there at all. It's all 100% gone. All that really exists is the ruins to that. And Jehovah recorded is telling him no. He is like, but come on, bro. We need this. Cristina: Yes. But we know he at least did it or tried to do whatever it was that he did twice. Jack: Because when he went to Shadow Realm. Cristina: No, because there was an old equator line that is destroyed of ruins and stuff. Jack: And the newer one, the new equator line, has nothing built on it. Cristina: It has nothing built on it. Jack: No. Oh, the new equator line is just where the line kept moving to. Cristina: Oh. Only the old one had the ruins. Jack: Only the old one had the ruined lines. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: If there is, we don't know where because nobody's thought about this. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And maybe it would be trackable. Maybe major cities line up in a way we never thought about or something. And then one day, by default, because. Cristina: It could be more than one line. Through the Earth. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Around the earth. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: We just have to find. Jack: We would just have to find to connect the dots. Cristina: Yeah. And it has nothing to do with the equator. Just. We just need to see that pattern. Jack: But you know what's even scarier at this point, this means that 12,000 years ago, we weren't beginning to develop. We know that their technology was crazy, but they weren't beginning to develop immense technology. They were already at earth scale technology. 12,000 years ago, they could just, in one shot, boom, across the earth, kill everybody and make. Well, at least along the line of the equator. Maybe they didn't want to erase humanity. Cristina: That's what I was thinking. That the whole purpose of that would be so that not all of it was gone. Jack: So maybe they don't even need these factories like Epstein's Island. What the h*** is that for? Well, then again, where it's two different purposes. Cristina: Specific people. Jack: Yes. That's to drain. That's for adrenochrome. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Versus something like stone. The stones. So maybe they've been able to make stones casually, whenever they want. Cristina: Yeah. We just need to find more lines. Jack: We just need to find more lines. On the flip side, wars are an easy way, and they're clearly in charge of the government. Cristina: Somehow 00:15:00 Cristina: that seems more of adrenochrome. Than a stone thing? Jack: We don't know. Cristina: We don't know. Jack: We don't see. In some instances, we see the bodies, but in other wars, it's just like, oh, yeah, some private attack happened. And it's like, wow, really? Or is it only when we drop, like, bombs and we can't go look at the evidence? Like, that was probably no bomb. You guys are just showing us a bunch of. And really, at the end of the day, what happened was you guys made another stone. Cristina: Would the bodies disappear? Jack: The bodies would disappear. Cristina: Okay. Jack: If it's for adrenochrome, the bodies would stay. Cristina: Mm. That's why most of them has to be for adrenochrome. Jack: Have you seen the bodies in most of them? Cristina: I think someone has. Jack: How do you confirm that person was real and not just another person? Just saying. Oh, yeah, I saw it. Cristina: Oh. Jack: I bet North Korea makes stones regularly. Cristina: Who would know? Jack: I bet there's human farms there where they breed humans. Because nobody knows where they breed humans. And then just en masse. But you dilute the genetic pool if they're always just cattle. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And you're just making the. There's something about the more complex the life force. Well, the life form than the more complex life force. Yeah. What is the rule? The more complicated the life form, the more complicated the life force. The less complicated the life form, the less complicated life source. It began a long time ago at Butterflies or some s***. Weird. Because we discovered a bunch of adrenochrome before we found out it was connected. Cristina: Mm. Jack: We found it through butterflies. Well, we've heard about it here and there, stumble upon things kind of pointing in that direction, then when they looked at it, and we found that through butterflies, that was, like, the original, like, attempt. And then other people throughout history, which I remember specifically, we looked into that were figuring it out in other ways. The countess in the 1700s or 1600, somewhere around there. It could have been the 13th. Who the h*** knows who was killing her? Her maze. That was for adrenochrome. And so we found, again, adrenochrome somewhere else, and we didn't. She might have not known, and we might have not known. But, again, a bunch of people did, though. So maybe she was in the in group who knew about adrenochrome. And although the people who wrote about it didn't get it, she knew why she was doing it. She stayed young, and they were all, oh, yeah, she was using it for her skin. And that was. Make her stay young. And it's like, no she was drinking that s***, bro. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: That's why she actually. That's why it actually worked. F***. That's exactly why it worked. She was killing them b****** and drinking it. And they were. The people reporting on it didn't really understand. They thought she was bathing in it, but she was just putting it in the tub to have a source of it. Cristina: Ew. Jack: She could continue to drink. I guess she was vampiring the f*** out. And this has a lot to do with the area she was in. They probably thought vampirism worked this way. We interpret it in the horror movie style, but vampires are relatively new. They weren't. Cristina: Vampires are based on adrenochrome. Jack: Vampires are actually just based on Dracula, and Dracula ain't even that old, so. S***. You get my point. Like, there wasn't a concept of vampires back then. Their understanding of a vampire was crap. Like the Countess. And like, Dracula could have easily been based on the Countess in a castle. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Attracting maids. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And drink. Literally drinking their blood. Cristina: It's the same story. Jack: It's the same story. And we found the Countess and we found a couple of, like, old school serial killers who were doing the same thing. We. We did that for Halloween one. So we were just looking at weird instances like that. We have a couple of really good Halloween episodes. Cristina: Well, didn't do any this year. You got anything for right now, this. Jack: Moment to do some Halloween? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: No, I don't now. We didn't do it for this year, but next year we should hit all the holidays. Find. I mean, it's interesting to go look at something that we haven't looked at for a while and with new eyes and find something we missed before. Cristina: Yes. Have we ever did a Thanksgiving thing? Jack: We've done many Thanksgiving. Cristina: Oh, yes, we have. But we haven't talked about the turkeys that we save that we pardon. I don't get that. Jack: We pardon turkeys. Cristina: Yeah. The President pardons turkeys every year. Yeah. He puts them in a hotel, keeps them fed and happy, and then he, I guess, brings them in front of people like the, like. I don't know, like the groundhog. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: And 00:20:00 Cristina: it's like, these turkeys cannot be eaten. Eaten. Jack: They must die of old age. Cristina: Yes. And I don't know how anyone keeps track of that. Jack: I bet. I bet that's the turkey the President eats. Cristina: Oh, that's awful. Jack: I bet some president was a douchebag and did that. If that's not the case, somebody was like, you know what? This is a stupid tradition. I want that turkey President. But no, no. Replace the turkey. Nobody's gonna know. I want that turkey. I want to eat a famous turkey. Cristina: The one that you said can never be eaten. That's messed up. Jack: Why? What's the difference? How would anybody even know as long as the illusion persists? Cristina: I don't know. I feel like you'll get. You will not get away with it. Jack: I. I want to get away with it. And then on my deathbed as president, I'll be like, get cameras and everything. I'll be or ex president, however that works. And I'll be like, for the world to know I ate that turkey. Cristina: That's messed up. Jack: Boom, boom. Will anybody give up? Nobody's gonna give a. They're gonna be like, he ate a turkey. Cristina: They're gonna say, you're a monster. Jack: If they. If it happened, like, the next day that it came out, they would be like, oh, my God. Yay, though. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Right now, most of them send you. Cristina: To jail to rest, to live the rest of your life to. Jack: I'm. I'm on my deathbed. Cristina: Who cares? You're gonna be in your deathbed in a jail cell. Jack: That's. I mean, I guess it wouldn't matter to me. Cristina: It wouldn't matter to you? Jack: No, no, it wouldn't matter. I'm already dying. Like, what do I got? Days. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Like, spend the rest of my days in a place that has to take care of me for a fact. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Whoa. Cristina: But you'll be in orange or whatever color those suits are, and then they. Jack: Die in a box. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: That's cool. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Concrete box. Who else did we find that was using adrenochrome? Oh, we found some Greek stories with it. That was afterwards. That was after we found out the Elysians. When do we find out they were called the Aletians? Cristina: Probably to do with Greece or Egyptians or. I think it was Egyptian. Jack: I think it was in the text that the Egyptians had discussing the Elysians, because they also referred to them as the Sea peoples. Cristina: And so did the Greek. Not the Greeks, the Mayans. Mayans. Jack: We looked at Maya a bunch of times. We looked at my. A long time ago without knowing they were connected to the Egyptians. Cristina: And we also, like, recently found out that they have portals to the shadow realm. Yes, that we think. We were thinking there. Jack: No, we knew they had portals to the shadow realm. We found out recently they were crossing people regularly. Cristina: Yes. Yes. That's happening everywhere. Jack: Yes. Cristina: And we had no clue that was happening. Jack: Yeah, we looked at that. Didn't know that there was this Entire civilization there went like two years without having any idea. Meanwhile, we found the. The villages around the world, including the one in Puerto Rico. That's a really famous one. All these groups that are just mixed shadow realm, Earth realm creatures found out. Cristina: All those people that were talking crazy stories about, like, I'm afraid that my child's gonna be kidnapped by a fairy. And then we realize, oh, crap, there's. Jack: They're onto something. They're on to. They were. It wasn't fairies, but they were kind of on the market. Cristina: Yeah, they were. They were close. Jack: They were close. They were close. There's a bunch of creatures kidnapping children. So it was based on some interesting y. Cristina: They were insane. Jack: No, man. It is a kind of weird road that took us here. Adrenochrome was a weird one. We found that so many times because. Cristina: It'S the easiest way. Jack: Everything, even by accident. I really, really. I always think about the story about the wolves in the. In the battlefield and how they would go out and like, when they were starving because the battlefield scared off all the other creatures, so they had nothing to hunt, and they were just out there feeding on the freshly dead people. But those people were in war, bro. They had just unloaded their guns, had the guns unloaded on them, seen friends die, seen bombs go off maybe in that time, or depending when. When wars happened. Because this was in the, what, the 17, 1970s, 1917s, and another one again in the 1950s. So there was bombs already. And like, this resulted in some crazy creatures, bro. Yes, that's nuts. Werewolves, which then, in hindsight, kind of informs our older story when we looked into werewolves and we found out that the natives would dress up with the. Cristina: Fur of the wolves and then turn into wolves. Jack: Not turn tools, but run 00:25:00 Jack: around the woods. Cristina: There was some stories of people wearing wolf fur and then turning into wolves. Jack: No, that's what they thought they saw. That's what the people. The. The white man. Cristina: Oh, he saw. Jack: Because they would see the. The problem is that they were with wolves. The natives in these areas would be wearing the fur of their family members who were wolves. They lived in nature with the wolves, naturally, and so they would be wearing the wolf fur and the wolf would be seen by the people who lived around there. And then they would see shortly thereafter, a native wearing wolf stuff, and they think it's the same thing. That's where the original myth of the werewolf came from. But the actual real world equivalent is a werewolf, a wolf drinking adrenochrome and then resulting. Cristina: The werewolf is a Wolf becoming a man and not a man becoming a wolf. Jack: Exactly. It's not becoming a man, but kind of getting a more bipedal look. It's very Pokemon. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You know, just transformed and now it's bipedal for whatever reason. So. Yeah. Cristina: I don't know. I feel like there are some men that claim to have turned into wolves, though. But are those just crazy people? Jack: No, because we also have people that were turning in the things. Not everybody has exactly the same reaction, but it's more or less the same reaction. We've had men turning into wolves. No, I don't think we've ever had people turning into the wolves. Cristina: There's a guy, I think for the church, he was confessing that the devil made him dress up as a wolf, turn into a wolf to fight the. No, the church forced him to turn into a werewolf so he can fight the demons or something. There's some wild story like that. Jack: We talked about it on the show. Cristina: Yeah, it was before all of this. It's way in the past of just talking about creatures not connecting to anything. Jack: That was when we were doing werewolves one and two, right? Yeah, man, I don't even remember that. Cristina: Yeah. I think he was claiming that the church would turn him and like a bunch of other homeless people into werewolves to fight demons. Jack: What the. Well, I don't remember all that. Cristina: I don't know what that is. But I know that they do have weird stuff happening. Jack: We know because the Church does weird s*** all the time. Cristina: Yes. They have portals and they also have items. Sacred items. Jack: Yes, they do, actually. Cristina: Body parts. Magical body parts of saints. Jack: Yeah. They hoard all the things with power they could find. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: But later we found out that was entirely because they were trying to erase the existence of magic and. Which is really just really complicated science. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And the body parts and things are saving are. Because think about it. They're saving a cloth that was protecting Jesus and he came back to life in or something. And it's like. Well, that was some technology that was reviving him or whatever. Or that had like proof of some residue of some kind of compound that they don't need anybody to know exists, you know? Cristina: Okay. Jack: Of the fruit or something. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: So they. They keep all of these things. They either have some kind of ability attached to some complicated technology or whatever the case might be, and they confiscate it all and hide it. Cristina: That's crazy. Still. That's pretty crazy. Jack: And still they couldn't compete with actual Jesus. Cristina: Well, they're. They're either Helping him or hiding him? Jack: Why would they need to hide him? Cristina: Because they're working with the. The. I'm thinking fairies, but that's not the word. I'm thinking. Who, Who. What is he? Jack: What is who? Cristina: Jesus. Jack: He is an Elysian Alicia. Cristina: And they're either working with Jesus or the Elysians. Jack: The church. Yeah. I think. I think we have three parties. Cristina: You think they're separate? Jack: I think they're separate. I think there's more than three parties. I think party we actually. I think. I don't think we've ever broken this down. I think party number one is the Elysians and their homies, like the Mayans and the Egyptians. Group two is Jesus and whoever's backing him, which is unclear. Cristina: Shadow people. Question mark. Jack: Question mark. Because we don't know. Because group three is a shadow people with Lucifer and all those individuals. Because even the shadow people who've joined our Earth Realm teams, we're calling those as part of Jehovah's team. Okay, so those are the Elysians. We have the Elysians there with all those people, including the shadow realm people that are there. Then we have the shadow room people who are a separate entity entity 00:30:00 Jack: made up of many Elysians and humans who've been outcasted one to the shadow realm. We got Jesus. That's three main group tied up there. Then we have Mab and her group of people somewhere doing something that's hyper unclear to us. See, we all never know. Exactly. Then we have the Greek that randomly pop up and are like always keeping up. They're like Piccolo. They're always keeping up with Goku and like how. Okay, but they're always there. And we don't know if any of this or even if the Elysians themselves are in any way connected to the original top of that, which is Jehovah's father Yahweh and his father Eloi. And how. That we still don't understand the giant leap from all of that all the way back to Yaldabao and how any of them might connect to what's happening now. Cristina: Yes. And we have no idea anything about Hermes either. Jack: Hermes, he's like neutral party. It looks like he helped everybody do whatever. Yeah, he's such a central figure. Cristina: But he might have even helped Jesus Satan with the line. Jack: He might have. But we know many instances suggest he might have helped Lucifer. Cristina: Yeah. So that's interesting. Jack: It looks like he might have helped Lucifer. It looks like he might directly be the teacher of Jesus. Yeah, it looks like he gave a johor who Worked or was friends or something with Jehovah. Cristina: And he has some connection with the Greece. Jack: And he has some connection with Greece. And he might have existed back with Eloi and Lilith, which suggests that he would have also been around at the time of Jesus, Jehovah's father, Yahweh. He would have been in contact with every single everything straight through. Cristina: Yes. Jack: I don't understand how. Because he is a God, he might actually be. Everybody else is some being that got there. He might actually. Dude, based on how we're describing him, right? Cristina: Yes. Jack: He goes everywhere, lives immortally, contacts everybody. Now, here's an interesting part about Hermes, which, based on his talks, might make sense. Let's say Hermes does come around in the year 12,000 BC, right? That's when he's born, not before then. But what do his lessons teach us? He says the fabric of reality itself is up to you to move around and control as you please. If you understand my teachings, you can just casually move in and out. Nothing matters. Nothing is of consequence. Everything is readjustable. Could it be that although he began there, he easily just shows up in the past? Is that a capability of his? Yes, because we know many necromancers can just f*** with time. Cristina: He can too. Yeah, I guess. Jack: Just poof. So he was born recently, but he could just be back there? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And that explains him showing up everywhere. He became he again. He was just a creature that became a God beyond anything all these other people could even fathom. Cristina: Mm. Except for Jesus, maybe. Jack: Well, he taught Jesus. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: It to this moment, it kind of does almost look like Hermes over Jesus. So if we were to just calculate their abilities and what they've done. Cristina: Yeah, but if Jesus gets to actually ex. Goes follows those principles that he has to teach, like what makes the difference, what makes him under. Jack: It looks like Hermes can cross into the fairy realm. It does not seem like Jesus can. As far as we know. Cristina: As far as we know. Jack: As far as we know. Cristina: Exactly. I don't know. That doesn't really. Jack: Only based on what we've found, he. He hasn't. Maybe we'll find something different to the contrary. But as of now, it looks like Hermes is the only one who's figured out how to enter this other space. With all of the efforts that everybody else has. I haven't seen a mention of Jesus doing that. Cristina: Well, maybe that story of him going into heaven. What does that mean. Jack: Going into heaven? Cristina: Yeah. And the end of his story before he comes back to Earth, like, what is that? I don't Know exactly. Jack: He dips out. Cristina: Could that be him exiting? Jack: But then that means he's always behind. He didn't just inherently have the ability like these other 00:35:00 Jack: things. He discovered that like a science. Which means that Hermes mastered it. He's a beginner at it. Hermes is still above. Cristina: Yeah, but that doesn't mean he can't get to that point. Like once you got it, you got it. Jack: He has a head start. Is he gonna. Is Hermes gonna continue getting better or is there a top? Which means if there's a top, they can catch up and land there. If not, then. Because again, if it's science, you can keep pushing it. Oh yeah, you can continue to push it. Cristina: But I think Jesus is still up there. Jack: He would be number two. I'm thinking he's number two. Cristina: Yeah. Because he did escape. I think he might have gone there. I think that was the story. Jack: And that's simply because we cannot rank things from Elfame. We have no idea. Yeah, it's possible. Those things are way more complicated in ways we couldn't comprehend. Cristina: But he might have gone into alpha and then came back. Jack: Yes. Cristina: I think that's. That's the story to say that. Yes. Jack: Right. But yeah, no, 100%. But that doesn't make him. I still think we've discovered that there is less appearance of Hermes. He's more rare to come across. So he's better at being invisible. He's been around longer, so there should be more of him. But he is good at being invisible. Cristina: But also he's using much of different names. I don't know. Jack: He always goes by Hermes. Cristina: He does. Oh yes, he does. It's Jesus that goes by different names. Jack: Jesus goes by different names and is still nowhere as elusive. Cristina: Okay. Jack: We don't know necessarily anything about what Hermes looks like. We just know he was robed. He was nice and discreet. Okay, he was robed. We have no descriptors for his face. We. We know just the things surrounding his robe. His face is usually in shadow and the robe itself was very dark. Gave look to that traditional necromancer thing, secrecy and privacy. So they adopted the look. Cristina: The necromancers. Jack: The necromancers adopt the look. That's also why we always see Jesus robed up. Everybody else might have layers to the robes, tuck ins on their ways. But Jesus wore like gown style things. It was very necromancer. And he's known for having the scarf with the hood. Cristina: That's not Mary. Are you sure? Jack: Jesus had the same thing. I guess Mary was also trying to be private. Oh, but that's logical. And the most important facet here is. I mean, Jesus would have to become a more more complicated threat eventually because he's still half Elysian. Cristina: Yeah. What is a Hermes? Jack: Human. Cristina: How do we know he's not half. How do. Jack: We don't know. We just know that you have to be human to be an echromancer. Cristina: Yes, but Jesus proves you could just be half human. Like you don't have to be full human. Jack: Jesus proves you could be half human. This brings up an interesting problem and it totally explains the Elysians not wanting Elysian men or women to breed with humans. Because nephilim that become necromancers may be problematic. Cristina: Yes. Yeah. Jack: Is the fear the necromancers, the few necromancers we know about are problematic. And then there's Hermes, who seems undefeatable by any standard we could imagine. Cristina: But then you think they'd be an enemy with him, but there don't seem to be. Even though they fear everything he is, they don't want another version of him. Jack: I mean, everybody's trying. Think about what the requirements were for the Golem. Think about what the requirements were for Jesus. You have to be able to cross all three thresholds seamlessly. What? Who's the only other individual we know who could do that? It's Hermes they're trying to imitate Hermes. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Right. And he ain't a fairy. They just know a human learned how to do the thing and that for whatever reason, Elysians can't be necromancers. Cristina: Yes, but they don't want to make more. They do and they don't. They don't want it. Jack: You want to control them. They want to be able to make a necromancer and control it. Cristina: Hence the creation of like things like Jesus. No more. Jack: Jesus was a problem. Yeah. Think of not Alexander. Was it Alexander? No, the. The sword guy. 00:40:00 Cristina: The sword guy. Jack: Who was being tricked? Arthur. King Arthur. Who was being tricked by Merlin. By Merlin. But the whole goal of that instance was a necromancer or not a necromancer. A person with the ability to cross between thresholds who could be controlled. Cristina: But he was all human. As far as I know. Jack: He was all human. Yes. And he was too easy to control. It became problematic. And we know that Merlin was an elation. Or is an elation. I don't know if that guy still around. But Hermes equals. I mean, not Hermes, Merlin. Equal elation. Cristina: He has to be half. Jack: He has to be half. Yes. You're Right, because how is he? And that's why he's whack. Cristina: Why is he whack? Jack: Because the more human you are. Cristina: So you think he's more than half human? Jack: No, he's the whack necromancer. Merlin is whack because. Because he is half and half. Cristina: But you have to be half and half. Jack: No, you have to be human. Cristina: Oh, but Jesus is half and half. And that he's not. Jack: Isn't half and half. Cristina: You think he's human. Okay, psychic abilities. Jack: Stories give us some details here to fill in for this thought, but I have some filler ideas. Right. For some blank areas. The stories emphasize how important Mary is, not just to the cause, but to Joseph. Joseph is a magi. A magi. And he is one of the other three who will later show up. He was her personal escort. They are Alician soldiers of some sort. Cristina: Okay, right. That's her man, though. Jack: No, that's the lie they're telling. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: But where you're getting at is where I think was maybe intentionally left out. The Bible tells us he's her man. Of course, the Bible is foolish and made up in order to suppress the truth. But the Bible tells us. So what motivation did the Bible have to tell us he was her man? Why wasn't he just her brother? She was gonna be a virgin and have a husband. Cristina: Yeah, that's weird. But weird. Jack: Could have. Any other narrative could have been spun there. Yeah, maybe. Maybe he was human and that's why he was different from the other Magi. Just like Mary was human. Because we know that child is part of Jehovah's DNA. But maybe the intention was to water it down and so it's not just Jehovah. What part of this do you need science for? Where was the experiment taking place in? Well, maybe both of them are the bad. Thus he's only one third Elysian. Cristina: Oh, crap. Okay, those make it more interesting. Jack: Interesting. So he has as much stake in this as the Elysians, but, you know, you're also just a human bro. We can get rid of you quite easily. So you're just gonna escort her? Well, you got bodyguards are gonna be watching, and they're gonna show up when it matters. You're gonna see them, and you just gotta take her over there. Where does he go when he gets. He just vanishes. The story just cuts off. We assume he left with the other Maggie, but he just. His story just ends. So what is that about? Well, his purpose was complete. He probably died off. Cristina: He died off. No, he died off. Jack: They get. They get to older age. Oh, but like, what's his. Why do we stop talking about him so heftily? It's because of this reason. He is really inconsequential, but is part of the equation, which is why he was actually present there the whole time. He's like, no, it's my Katu and I'm gonna follow this lady. Cristina: Okay. We just couldn't say, yeah, they were. Jack: The chosen ones to some degree, but it was just human. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You know, And I think that was a way of diluting some science was used in order to dilute elation DNA. Even if elation DNA is better for stones, they're not going to get rid of themselves. So they could easily run this tech, but no humans. But in order to make a necromancer, you need human. And they want one that they can control. But I don't know if they have Hermes, why they would need to. I don't get that part. But Hermes himself then trained Jesus. He's so neutral. 00:45:00 Cristina: He doesn't. He seems like part of the group, but he doesn't seem like part of their group. Jack: I think he literally isn't part of their group. I think he's just friends with Jehovah. And everybody must respect his neutrality because what are you gonna do about it? The fact that he's blessing you with his time is good enough. Cristina: But then he gets to train the guy that they offer, cuz that guy went to him. Jack: Again, neutrality doesn't matter who comes or what you want. I can do whatever. Cristina: Mm. Jack: I'll help you with limits. I don't hurt others or whatever. But what you do, but what I gave you is up to you. Cristina: Crazy. Jack: So everybody comes for something different. It's like, yes, he's really God about it, to the point that even Jesus goes to him on record. Yeah, well, Emmanuel. Emmanuel goes to him and it's like, bro, this dude moves like real omniscience. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Move through time, influence, whatever. Yeah. Oh, you said your grandfather needed what? Okay, I'll go back and I'll. Cristina: That's weird. Jack: Yeah, whatever, dude. Oh, no, I can't do that. I'm not gonna go get rid of the people. No, I can't do that. You need the. Oh, yeah, yeah, I can make the thing. Whatever you do with it, that's up to you. I don't give a crap. It's your choice. If it affects me, I'll bring him back. I don't care. Cristina: Real omniscience, okay. Jack: He moves like that, right? He has that feel if I don't care what happens, I don't care. I don't care what. I'm not doing it, but I don't care what happens. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And then he can adjust whatever in his favor. That's so impressive and everything. Again, if we look at the whack, watered down, non knowing necromancers, it's still like, d***, son. All of them except St. Patrick seem capable of controlling time. They're watered down. All of them. They're. They're whacker than Jesus. And Jesus can't mess with Hermes. That's where we are. They can control f****** time. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: It looks like maybe Santa, St. Nicholas is like real top tier op. Maybe third in line here because of how exaggerated he is. But it could just be time control that he looks like he's everywhere freezes, everything goes everywhere, takes him a long time. Then time moves forward again. Cristina: It's still really exaggerating. I don't know. It's pretty powerful stuff. Jack: Pretty powerful stuff. He also has deals with what seem to be actual fairies. Actual fairies? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Which is like, d***, how do you do that? Yeah. Cristina: Yeah. Maybe they're not fairies. Maybe they're shadow worm creatures. Jack: They could be shadow worm creatures, but they can. We don't know shadow creatures that fit those suits. But we know fairies that do. Cristina: It's just too weird. Jack: It's weird. Cristina: It doesn't make sense to anything. Jack: But again, maybe he's. He does appear to stay neutral as well. So maybe the fairies aren't siding with him. And maybe the fairies aren't trying to stop Hermes. Who are the fairies trying to stop? All the people trying to imitate Hermes. Fair people don't care about Hermes. Why? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: Doesn't seem to be f****** with them. Neutral. The people who are like, we want infinite power. They get elf slapped on top. Stop their progress, please. Cristina: Okay. Jack: But Hermes clearly already capable. They're like, whatever. Interesting. They're scared of power hungry people because if they cross out, they're coming for us. Cristina: Okay, Jesus, kill off Marilyn and Jesus. Jack: Jesus is a problem because Jesus is the one that slipped through. And although Jesus isn't aiming to hurt them, Jesus seems to be on a revenge path. Right. Is his goal the Elysians or could he easily deal with the Elysians? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: Because if they are is infinitely trying to get stronger. And they're infinitely trying to get stronger. So he must again try to get stronger. So they must again try to get stronger. And now it's gotten to the point that they reach the Elfame just trying to get stronger than each other. And then they're just consuming everything around them in a war between each other. And that's the fear. That's why it didn't look like anybody was after anybody specific and that the Elfame was just fight. Who are we scared of? And it's like this guy or that guy or what? No, both. Cristina: Both. Jack: But it's not about them going after you. They don't care about you. They're. They're Borg. They're infinitely power hungry the way humans are. Okay, we want more. But it's about getting rid of each other. Cristina: It could be that very. It feels very Dragon Ball Z. Jack: Like just like always. Upscale. Cristina: Stronger. Yeah. Jack: And it doesn't stop. We've gone out of the realm. Man. I remember the ah, memories. What the good old days when we just thought creatures here, creatures there. Maybe some aliens, maybe an alien or two local 00:50:00 Jack: that can't, you know, lives in space between planets. Because why would it try? How would it travel from super far? They couldn't. It's just a biological something living in space to finding out no crap could travel. And here's the science behind it. Stars away, stars across, galaxies across. Until getting to the point of like nah. There's entire clusters of stars completely captured. Because escaping the entire universe is totally possible. And there's multiple of these things. And here's some science behind it to dimensions and realms. It's like I remember the good old days back then when it was so simple. Now. Now we have interdimensional multi realm existing different creatures of different magnitudes of development tied in infinite ways with each other and in different ways. All scientific. Cristina: They're trying to get up there, up somewhere there. Jack: So complicated. So, so complicated. It's ridiculous. It is good old days of just hey, vampires and zombies. You remember comparing vampires and zombies and they both need blood. Which it totally should have filled us in on so much. Totally should have. Because we erased it slowly from zombies to say that they were after blood. But zombies were after blood at the beginning of the invention of talking about zombies. But maybe the creators of zombies thought oh this too on the nose. It's too close. So I'm just gonna connect the dots. And so we slowly phased out zombies going for blood. And then they just became science zombies. The way like oh, vile. We're trying to cure cancer. But. But it was always science. Cristina: It was always science. Jack: Adrenochrome. Oh the science in a different way. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: We they try to block us off of certain paths of science so that we don't get informed on those things like realms and crap like that. That must use biological and physically tangible science applications in order to to interact with. But the laws were taught to build upon exclude the factors that would lead us in those directions so that only those who know about them can know about them. Esoteric knowledge everywhere. You know, it's funny, that reminds me that Wet Judges was the same story as zombies. We had. We were just going through different creatures and we found out that this creature existed and that it was the. The result of something unknown. But this is what the creature behaves like. And it's not a shadow Realm. Creatures opposite to a win dingo. But they both turned out shadow room creatures. But there was some difference between them that we were like one comes from this and the other one kind of sorta. Eventually we discovered wolves. And both of these things shared a lot of characteristics. And that episode involved the connection of well, this is how a wolf biologically becomes. And this is how wolf biologically becomes that one. I believe the Wet Judge is the feral shadow realm version of a wolf. And the Windingo is the in control shadow realm version of a wolf. And both of those we found in isolation separate because we were just doing episodes about creatures. Cristina: But what do they have to do with the Shadow Realm? Jack: Adrenochrome. And they're both shadow realm creatures. Cristina: Okay. But they're based off of wolves and the wolves are from here, not from the shadow Realm. Jack: Exactly. Were wolf. Well, wolf can wolf takes adrenochrome the stages of a wolf as they would break apart. A wolf can sue. Let's take one of these 1950, 1940. Like six werewolves from the battlefield. Battlefield night people hiding. It sneaks up in the shadows and starts eating and drinking some of the blood. Because it's dies or. No, no, let me get there. It's gonna turn into. In consuming so much of it. A werewolf. Cristina: Mm. Jack: The werewolf is just the in control version of the wolf. Now two wolves came. They were talking about two separate wolves from the same pack. They came. They ate the same body. During the werewolves, both of them became werewolves. One of them was smart enough to consider coming back and the other one was a little cower. And as soon as it heard people ran away so they didn't consume the next day. This happens repeatedly. And the second wolf doesn't come back. The first werewolf stays a werewolf. The second werewolf now becomes a lichen. 00:55:00 Jack: It goes feral. It's just a Savage now. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It even forgets how to get back to it. It's just now a monster. Cristina: Okay. Jack: But they're more or less fizzled off Earth Realm. Cristina: Yes. Okay. Jack: Yes. And they all fizz. They physically look very similar, except a werewolf looks like a humanoid. It looks very similar than the werewolf is very gray, furred, wise and less crazy, I guess. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And the lichen is black fur and slimmer, while the werewolf looks bulkier. The lichen is thinned out and like up looking. It's like a really thinned out werewolf that's all black. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Now if the werewolf dies a werewolf, it becomes a wet judge. Cristina: Okay. And if the lichen dies, it becomes the other thing. Jack: And if lichen dies, it becomes a wendingo. Cristina: And those creatures are Shadow Realm creatures. Jack: And those creatures are Shadow Realm creatures. Cristina: Or they're ghost versions. Jack: Yeah, yeah. A lot of Shadow Realm creatures are ghost versions of earthrealm creatures because there's an inherent tie between them. Cristina: A little weird, because the Shadow realm is the original realm and we are. Jack: A pocket realm within it. Cristina: Yeah. But when we die, we go back to the original realm. Jack: Well, this is supported by all sciences, all religions and all philosophies that the. This association from the self unites us to the all. Another way of thinking about it is the texts that make it sound like it's a simulation. If the barriers are built around a certain type of code and you extract that code, then whatever code is left could exit the equation. Cristina: Okay, and then we just go back to the shadow realm. Jack: We can just be part of the shadow realm. So it's possible. Weird thought that everything within earthrealm is already a creature that might exist within the shadow realm, and we are just programmed with the external shell that we then think is ourselves. Cristina: What do you mean? Jack: Like my body isn't my body? Maybe I was always a gin, but because I'm born over here, the body feels like a body. But then it's weird beating our campy because creatures from the shadow realm coming over here to kidnap children and stuff, but to live. But they don't. They don't become suddenly physical unless they go through a procedure. Yes, and I don't understand what the procedure necessarily is because there's no specifics on it. Yeah, we know that they need a model, which is why they kidnap kids. They need an example of who they're going to become and that person is going to stay alive. They don't kill that person. Cristina: They don't. Jack: Well, somehow still existed when Lucifer became physical. Cristina: Yes, but did he transform also? Jack: Then Samuel got turned into Alfamer. Cristina: Is that what happened? Jack: No, he got turned to a Naga, I think, right? Cristina: Yeah, I think so. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: This story is twisted and weird. Jack: Yeah, that's a weird. Someone else been through the ringer. It's a weirdo. But this isn't a couple of places. Because if you think of Glycon from the Greek, he also was just a Greek dude who became a Naga. Cristina: That doesn't make sense. With the help of Keto. Because Nagas are fairies. So these are people becoming fairies. Jack: These are people. Well, people becoming Shadow worm creatures and Shadow Realm creatures becoming Earth Realmers are still weird. Cristina: That's weird. But it's less weird. They're becoming fairies. Jack: Well, presumably the Shadow Realm is a pocket within Alfame. The best way to think about it is if Elfame is Earth Realm, then the Shadow Realm is the Internet. And EarthRealm is like Facebook. Each one is inside the other in a smaller, more constricted way. But it's still the one thing. Like it's still Facebook exists within Earth. Cristina: A video character becoming human. Jack: Yes. So, okay, I guess the. The most logical way to make the next step remove would be to say we have humanoid robots that don't have any AI. They exist everywhere. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And the Facebook AI decides it's going to figure out how to enter one of our robots and navigate earthrealm. That would be the leap that Jesus born in earthrealm does 01:00:00 Jack: to get to Alfame. He is the Facebook AI. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Getting into one of our robots and now existing as a Earth Realm being. Cristina: What does it mean when one of us becomes a Naga? Jack: That would be the equivalent. Cristina: It's still in there. Jack: Yes. So there must be some form of code that creatures from the top have. Like MAB logging in. Cristina: Oh, NPCs. No, not NPCs. Main characters. Jack: Main characters. Yes. They acquire main character abilities. Yes, that's what it really means. Which is a good example in being Hermes. Main character abilities. Cristina: Okay, so if you can do become a Necromancer or become a Naga, you're doing the same thing. Yes, sort of. Jack: The difference is they're trying to make Nagas of existing individuals that they know are already loyal. They don't want one born. They're trying to make one out of people they know are already loyal to them. So there's some half baked kind of approach there. Cristina: And they. I don't think they have the same abilities as Nagas. Jack: No. It doesn't seem like they have the tip top. The closest person who got To. That was the first one we know about, which is the oldest, which is Yaldabaoth and his. Not his artificial Naga, which I guess everybody else is. An artificial Naga that we're talking about. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: But it looks like his was literally created from nothing. It wasn't based on anybody. Which is also why that one's overpowered. Cristina: That doesn't make sense. That does it. I don't know. Jack: Osteomorphus. That was the name of that serpent. Osteomorphous. Cristina: Came from nothing. Jack: He came from nothing. He was raw, created. So he must be more pure than doing it on a creature that was already a different creature. But they'll be loyal because they're part. They're in on it. It's their hard work, too, versus this. No, you were made exclusively for this purpose. You could turn on me and it might have. We know it had its own intentions. It might have done whatever, but that's the risk. A different variation on that is Jesus. It might go rogue. Except it went rogue and they did. Where they. How do they control it? Cristina: I don't know. But how do you do that? What? You said he just made one. Jack: Made one? What? Cristina: Made a Naga? Jack: Oh, I don't know, but it would be like, how did we invent a robot from nothing? Like, it's just. It's that he just made science. Figure it out. Cristina: Okay. I don't know. Jack: But the leap Jesus made is pretty impressive, especially if we. If we listen. If we listen, Deacon, listen. If we take the texts that make it sound like a simulation at face value and say, oh, yeah, that's definitely the true one. Jesus made it out of the simulation and into an Alfame robot. That's basically what we'd be saying. Yeah, he jumped to the middle stage. Or went through it. We know he went through it. Literally. He could enter the wider Internet. Cristina: But he's not the only one. Jack: No, he's not the only one. Because whatever quote AI unquote Hermes is can easily just walk out. And he was just Earthreal. So he is another Facebook AI. He's the original Facebook AI that managed to just get into a robot in her throne. Cristina: That's weird, but yes. But then I still don't understand, because Nagas are. Jack: I think Nagas are an attempt to do a biological cheat sheet for Hermes, because you can either study and get it. That's a. The filter is crazy. Phew. It's so hard. So few people have figured it out. Immense power. Even people who didn't figure it out. Alexander the Great There you go. Even people who didn't get it, what they did get, made them monstrously overpowered, but with limitations. The idea of a Naga bypass the limitations instantaneously. Shortcuts. It's all shortcuts. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Because the right way to do it would be learned hermetic principles. Follow the laws that Hermes lays out. Understand his lessons. He says it, it's the only way. And the proof kind of stands on it. The fact that nobody else figures it out. Cristina: Yeah, he figured it out. Jack: He did. Cristina: And nothing is like gonna figure it out after him though. Is Jesus really it? Jack: Well, we don't know. Merlin came after Jesus. Cristina: That's true. Just forget he's the most recent. Jack: Yeah, he's the most recent. He was whack, but he was the most recent. Then again he was way overpowered. Still time bending. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Even if he was defeated, it's still pretty crazy. Jack: I guess so. Well, yeah, he was tricked, but he was tricked by a fairy. He was killed off by a fairy. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Like you know. The question is, could Hermes know her? Is the problem is also Hermes has no goal. Think about how interesting this is. It doesn't look like. No, but St. Patrick's was associated. Even if he was human. Cristina: What do they mean? Jack: He was still associated with the Elysians. They called on him for help. Cristina: I don't know. Because of him and Santa makes it seem like the religion is behind is part of them or they made the Catholic Church. Right. Jack: The Catholic Church was made by the Elysians, but the Catholic Church employs humans. Cristina: Yeah, but to keep the Elysians secret. Jack: Yeah. The whole point is to keep the Elysian secret and to make Jesus just seem like he's unrelated to the Elysians. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Yeah. And it looks like, you know, they're neutral. And maybe they were priests who were like, we're gonna put. We're gonna send you on a quest. We're gonna send priests. Maybe that's the point of priests. Raising some priests regularly to a school out in Greece where they're gonna come across a series of tests and tasks at the School of L. If they pass enough of them, you're going to get into a special class and you're going to take it and you're hopefully going to pass that class. That class is all that matters. Everything you're going to do for the next 20 years of your life is pure training to try to pass one class. That's it. Good luck. And then, you know, just kept sending people, kept sending people, kept sending people and one guy, St. Patrick, makes it through and meets Hermes and takes classes with him and, and St. Nicholas makes it through and gets there. But how many hundreds of other priests went there and like tried and they could, didn't even know what they were there for other than I told I was going to do this my whole life. And I'm not going to get married, I'm not going to have children, and I'm going to go back and go, you know, I dedicated my life to them. I'm gonna go lead a church and I'm gonna be great. I'm gonna have it said and made. But I don't know what the beginning of that path was. And only few of them, and they disappear forever. Now it's the, the St. Patrick's of the world. It was like, no, I'm an OG. I got the abilities that they want. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And so those are in house necromancers. Hermes is neutral party if they can, if they. Anybody who can get my teachings can get my teachings. Cristina: So you think he was training? Jack: He was at Lesium as written by Aristotle. Cristina: In his notes, they say for how long? Jack: Unclear, but he was at Lesium, so that's fact number one. The specific lines were that he was waiting for the special students. And Aristotle's take on that is that his students were the elite students, the students that had taken all their other classes, the students that have aced everything else. And it's a school of philosophy. What the f*** does it mean to ace that? It means to understand everything there. Cristina: Which makes sense for what you need for Hermes. Jack: You got to enter equipped in every aspect of everything. And so you get to his class. Most people didn't make it. And I don't know how he would evaluate them, but he must have been looking at the notes of the other teachers there and been like, I want that student on that guy. He seems to be doing good every class specifically in these topics, which means he understands the nuance I'm looking for. Maybe all the other teachers were just cover. Cristina: For the real goal. Jack: For the real goal. Everything is designed as an intricate filter. And it's, it's a tournament. There's one winner. Of course, there's more multiple winners. But in this case, you know, to picture it better, it's tournament style. The guy who makes it to the championship past all the tests, but you still got to eliminate, eliminate, eliminate. And so you can't have a huge class of thousands of people. You got to be very restrictive. And maybe not. Maybe anybody who can make it can make it. Except people don't make it because it's really hard to get. Cristina: Mm. That's really hard. Jack: It's really abstract. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Really abstract. But it all makes perfect sense is the problem. So you gotta be able to understand really abstract thoughts in order to then bend reality with your mind the way that Hermes suggest can happen. And that we've found this proof through Naga and other necromancers and the people who cheat and manage to get a stone and aren't necromancers because that's so op. Cristina: Yeah. But he's the reason that there are stones. Jack: Yes. He invented them. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: Yep. He is so good at being secretive. Hermes. He's so good at being secretive and so good at making things that we didn't know that both parts of the craft 01:10:00 Jack: were literally him. We found the first part and we're like, he made the thing like somebody else made the other part and improved on it. No, it was also him. It's just. It's hard to connect any part of things that have to do with him because everything exists in isolation. Because he's so good at just disappearing off of that side of the planet and popping up over here and doing a bunch of crap over here and stays over here for a thousand years and disappears over here. And he's over there now. No given. Doesn't seem to care about the passage of time. Doesn't seem to care about what side anybody's on. Does no barriers exist. I'm in this room. I'm in that room. Whatever. Cristina: That's what he does. Jack: Very godlike. He reminds me a Q from Star Trek. Cristina: Probably less of a troll than him, though. Jack: We have no idea. We have no, no idea. Not a clue what his personality is like. Not a clue. We know some people had character to them. Some of the Elysians were like, you know, you can imagine them. The guy who's just whoring around banging humans. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You're probably a chill dude. Bro. Cristina: Know. Jack: You know, he's just a dude. He's out there just linging, slinging his come everywhere he goes. Cristina: We don't know anything about Hermes. Jack: Who the h*** does? Cristina: I thought he's a weirdo or not weirdo. He's just secretive. Jack: He's private. Cristina: Private. Jack: We got stories from Santa. We got stories from Patrick. We got Jehovah stories. He seemed to be pretty chill, but kind of stern dude. Lucifer seems kind of more worrisome. He's these would, you know, panicky Lilith has a bit of attitude to what she does. Everybody has characteristics based on everything we found. And then Hermes is like, I don't know about you, dude. I don't know if you're, like, serious jokey. If you're like, you know, expressions. He's robed. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Every description of him, robes. Nobody sees this face. Even his homies have no idea if he's smiling or not. He's talking to a robe all the time. Cristina: That's kind of crazy. It's pretty crazy. We don't know anything weird. There could be more than one. Jack: There could totally be more than one. But also, he can bend time. What the. Cristina: Like, why do you need more than one? Jack: Why do you need more? He's everywhere. He's everywhere. He's all over the place. Everybody's Hermes at one point. It's like, no, it's the same dude. We thought it was multiple people. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And then it's like, no, it's the same guy. What? How? How, How, How? In fact, we thought it was so multiple people because Loi is the title and Hermes exists. And we're like, that's probably the title, too. And he existed back then, and they knew each other. Weird. So different people. And then we're like, nope, it turns out same guy. It's like, how the f*** does this work out? We still haven't even proven that about Loi. Cristina: I don't think he's. I mean, I think he is more than one guy. Jack: Loi feels like a title. And the way they describe the giant ship shifts in behavior. Feels like different people. Feels like a title within the family or a job position or political role or something. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Hermes is literally the guy's name. He'll go by a different name. And then tell them, I'm Hermes. They gave me this name over here. But Hermes is from actual name. Cristina: Weird. Yeah. Jack: And he'll write it. He'll be like, I'm Hermes. Cristina: He writes it, I'm Hermes. Jack: I'm Hermes. And then he made the emerald. He made this, everybody. No, Hermes. Geras Magista's made this. Don't happen. How? How do you do this in Europe? And then at the same time, he made that in Afghanistan, bro. Let's have a real conversation. Cristina: Because time travel. Jack: Because time travel. Cristina: And because there's nothing really. Jack: Instantaneous teleportation. Cristina: Exactly. Jack: And, like, it doesn't matter. Cristina: Solution to any problem is time travel. For Hermes 100. Jack: That explains ever once that's. It's like, yeah, you could bend time. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: So you're just hanging out back there, like the day you chilled with that guy's grandson millions of years later. Cristina: Mm. Jack: To you it was minutes apart. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: You just skadoodled across and it's a. It's seamless. If we were watching you from a movies perspective, you're like, all right, Jehovah, I'll let him know. You take two steps, we zoom in on you. You take two steps, none of the scenery changes. And now you're standing in front of Loi. Hey. Your grandson said this. And when we zoom out, we see Eloi, but not Jehovah. That's how seamless it would be to him. Cristina: That's pretty crazy. Jack: He didn't think about it just there. Cristina: That's totally how it could work. I don't know. Jack: And from the point of view of both of these individuals, he never left. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Because he can pop into the same fraction of a second he left that with Jehovah and walk right into that same moment and be like, your grandfather said this. And from your point of view to my. I'm right now, I'm Hermes. And right now you're Jehovah. And you tell me you need to tell my grandfather to add this, this, and that to 01:15:00 Jack: the equation starting on this next sentence. I'm Hermes. Okay. All right, Jehovah, I'm gonna go tell your grandfather right now what to do. Listen, Loi, it's very important that you add these couple of parts. Now. Loi tells him whatever it's like. Okay. I'm gonna make sure your grandson knows this. Jehovah. Listen, he said that, that one sentence, he's gonna talk to two people across time. And to him it's gonna feel consistent and linear to them. Not a moment past the moment you said links. Cristina: And then he sees a different person. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And time has stopped over there. Cuz not really. He's just in the past and he's gonna go back to that same moment. Cristina: Okay. Okay. That's crazy. That's his ability though. Jack: Does his ability though super overpowered. And he can do that at any point in time, at any place in time? That's God. Cristina: That's ridiculous. Yes. That's good. I don't think there's anything above that. Jack: I don't think there's anything above that. Minus whatever exists in Alpha that we have no reference point for. Yes, but the realms we are aware of. Even elves don't touch this. Nagas don't touch this. Cristina: As far as we can tell. Jack: Yeah. It would have to be the theory of the simulation. And it would have to be that MAB is a programmer and only then, because then she'd have the ability to like deprogram the robot, shut off the Internet, whatever. Cristina: But she can't. So it's not that. Jack: Or she should. We don't know if she can. Maybe she is just one of the programmers at the big company. The company really owns the Internet. She just knows how to work. She's the best worker, knows how to do it. Okay, but she can shut it off and ruin the project and save the world if it got that bad. Stop things from getting out and just destroy the robot that they got into. Whatever. Try not to. Expensive project maybe. Whatever that might mean in that realm. Cristina: Yeah, you know. Jack: Anyways, that's the road that took us to where we are. It's just all random pieces, man. Cristina: But it makes somewhat sense. Jack: It is composed. It makes perfect sense. It is a rational, reasonable, thought out kind of. Our job is to ground things like we said. Cristina: And we did it. Jack: Yeah, we've been doing it like you said. We've been doing it the entire time we've been grounding things. And those are all examples of how we've grounded things. And we added some groundings to thumbs things in. Just by talking about grounding things, we just grounded some more things. Yes, that's how we do now. The problem with explaining to the listeners that we do ground things and giving them examples is that it took an hour to do so. So we never got to get to the notes. 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April 15, 2023

Rambling 222: Problematic Time Travel

April 15, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Can time paradoxes be fixed? How would they be fixed? And would solving the paradoxes then suggest time travel is possible? The duo ramble on about time travel and attempt to patch the holes in time travel paradoxes.

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Time Travel
Paradoxes
Grandfather Paradox
How to Solve a Paradox

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I am your host, Jack, and I.

Cristina: Am your host, Christina.

Jack: And I truly, absolutely do believe, in fact, that we can solve the time travel paradoxes.

Cristina: All of them?

Jack: All of them. All of them. I am sure I can solve all of them. There has to be. How many paradoxes could time travel possibly lead to? We just build. We build obvious rules around them, around all the paradoxes, and solve crossing the problem. Right. That's the. That's the logical conclusion here. So I believe. I believe with nothing but reason, we can craft rules and avoid certain behaviors that, while doing time travel, would allow us to effectively navigate the future or past without messing up. I think it's possible.

Cristina: I don't know. Because what if it's, like, the version that you don't actually change anything in your time? Like, what's the point?

Jack: Like, in, like, Trunks.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like Dragon Ball Z. Like, there's no real purpose. He's like, affecting a whole other universe.

Cristina: Yeah. Unless that's an interesting way to test things out in that other universe. You don't have to do anything. Anything. Like things you want to do here, but you wouldn't, because maybe it's illegal. You do over there, and then you just jump back here.

Jack: That's. That's totally fair. That's absolutely fair. But you can also 100% just go and change that universe for your benefit and then just stay there.

Cristina: How would you do that?

Jack: Well, you're. If you're not affecting your universe.

Cristina: Yeah. How would you be affecting a whole other universe? It would be like, what type of technology do you have kind of influence?

Jack: I think I'm thinking, like. Like you said, Dragon Ball Z Trunks, the history of Trunks events. He jumps into the past, but it's not really his past. It's just a past. In that scenario, you can at least affect it in the direction you want, knowing what's coming up ahead, at least to some degree. If it's so bad that it's at least catastrophic. That's a perfect scenario of time travel used effectively. Like, hit the fan so hard it Use time travel. Who cares about a paradox?

Cristina: You know, I don't know. If he's like, okay, you fact. How will you affect anything? I don't.

Jack: You would just alter. Like, he jumps back in time.

Cristina: Right.

Jack: And he tells the Z Fighters, there's gonna Be some androids.

Cristina: Yeah, but he's someone who knows them in the present. Like, how would a normal change anything? Like you'd have to be someone that knows people that knows, you know. Like you have to be up there already.

Jack: No, you could just go to people you know. Unless you're trying to make giant. I see. Like Giant Global. Exactly, I see. I see. Like you're going into the same world.

Cristina: Like he wasn't just some random dude who went to talk to them.

Jack: Yeah, cuz we're. We're basically. Yeah, yeah. We're basically talking like if Steve came off the street, get went in the time machine and he's like, how would he know who the h*** the Z Fighters are? Basically is the question.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You know, Yes, I see where you're coming from.

Cristina: Like you can't go talk to Elon Musk or the President or.

Jack: Yeah, like how the h*** would I do it?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I would still have every barrier that a normal person would. This is not even a paradox. This is a legit problem. Let's say I'm an amazing scientist, but one nobody knows who the h*** I am.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So I go ahead and I make a time machine. Because you have to be that weird scientist. Nobody believes. If you believe time travel is real. And then you make a functional time machine. Holy s***. You somehow violated all the rules of everything. But whatever you prove, you proved physics wrong. Good job, bro. We suck. But it works. So we applaud you. The future will be based on your machine. All of science will. Great, so now you go ahead and you jump in your time machine and you travel back in time. You are still just some random m***********. Like who the h*** you can't get to the President. Like bro, you couldn't even. You couldn't put this on the Internet for the world to see. And anybody actually even see it, they wouldn't give a s***. They think you're joking.

Cristina: Your other time traveling buddies. But then you still wouldn't change anything. You just wouldn't change anything. You just hang out in your machine.

Jack: See, I guess it's just lead to a paradox. There's a paradox that suggests that nothing can change.

Jack: You can never change the past. It's impossible.

Cristina: Even someone else's past because it's a different reality.

Jack: Oh, I guess in the case that it's a different reality, it's not your past exactly.

Cristina: They could change like your mom. You could, I guess someone close to you if you knew something was gonna happen to them. But that's still not Your person. Like, it doesn't even matter if you did. Unless you were just curious to see what would this change be like.

Jack: Yeah. And, like, what would you be changing? I guess it's like your parent gets hit by car. Your kid gets hit by car.

Cristina: Yeah, I don't know.

Jack: And then you're like, okay, I know when and where, so I'm gonna go right before that and stop the situation. Yeah, like, I guess, but like, what a.

Cristina: And then you live in that reality, but I guess.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: That's weird. Did all this work for that? This is very the Flash because you.

Jack: Haven'T lived in the time. Like, if. How to put it. You saved your kid here, but you haven't lived with your kid in your own reality since whenever the accident was to the moment you jumped back in time. So when you get your kid back, that kid's gonna have some. Some gap of time missing. That's crazy. It's probably. You're not gonna figure out the time machine a couple of days after he died. We're gonna start this mission right after he died, and you're gonna be working at it.

Cristina: Why would he notice?

Jack: Why would who notice?

Cristina: Your kid notice. Your kid's gonna notice you saved him, but he died.

Jack: The kid is going to be like. Everybody would have age except the kid. This is what I mean. Like, if you were to somehow save the child, like, the kid wasn't even there. He wasn't in reality. He wasn't in. In. In a. In a version of your reality, there was a point between where the accident happened to your kid. There was a long period of time, and then you finally did the time travel could have been 10, 20 years. You began this mission, let's just say by some miracle, on the day he died.

Cristina: I don't understand how that affects the kid. Well, the kid is taking him back to your time.

Jack: Well, no, I'm saying in. In the. In the scenario that somehow you jumped back to your time in your time was altered back to a universe in which your kid didn't die. You yourself didn't experience. Whatever version of the universe moved forward until the moment you left because you weren't there with your kid. That that kid lived still those 20 years. He aged into adulthood. You went back in time and you changed it from your point of view. You're still back in time. It changed into future. You're now gonna jump back to the future if somehow a linear thing, right, of this.

Cristina: Of this reality.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. The same reality, one straight line ahead. You somehow jumped back in your own, in your own universe.

Cristina: No, but he would be dead in your own universe. Because the point is that.

Jack: Well, no, listen, you jump back in time and you save him, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the universe that you're in, somehow it's the same universe. So then you jump back forward to the moment that you jumped back to the past. Let's say it has a timer. Oh, I gotta save him in the next hour and then get back inside the time machine, so. Because it's gonna go right back to the moment that I left from. Okay, so you go ahead and you jump in your time machine, go back in time. I got the hour. I gotta save him in the hour and get back inside machine. So you go ahead. It was a car accident. You know when and where, whatever. You put it down to rocket science. You literally made a time machine. So this is easy peasy. You get there, you solve it to the T, and you stop the moment you saved your child. And the universe moves forward. Now you're somehow. This is your linear situation, which is only one non branching universe. So you, it's really your universe. You jumped back in like in a scenario where you can really affect it. So he goes ahead, jumps in the time machine before the hour is over and poof. Goes right back to the moment that he jumped out of. Mission accomplished. I saved my kid. But this was like 20 years ago that the accident happened. How weird. Because now you get there and you don't know this man who shows up, this man who's like, hey, dad, you've never met this person. This is a stranger who has memories of you because you still left from that point in time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So there was a version of you there that something happened and, or what happens there? That's another paradox because you were physically there, but you did leave from the future. So what happens to that chunk of time after you save them? But you left. You went back to the future. So who the f*** raised this guy?

Cristina: Your other half, like what?

Jack: With a woman? He's just, but so he's just missing?

Cristina: Yeah, he's fatherless until you come back. And then he's like, wait, dad, what?

Jack: Yeah, but it doesn't make sense, right?

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because in the first before you altered time, you jumped in the time machine. You, you already experienced. You actually lived those 20 years since your kid died.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You were, you were physically there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then you exited at the end, went back in time, made a change. Why does that mean that you weren't there? What did it change what you did? But that doesn't make sense because you weren't there.

Cristina: Because then. Yeah. If it's to save your child, like, because then you wouldn't have saved your child. It's one of those. When you don't do time travel, time.

Jack: Travel is an issue.

Cristina: But you said you're gonna solve things. Why are you poking. You did not solve anything. You said you're gonna solve.

Jack: Well, I gotta find the holes in order to patch them, right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's the logic here. I gotta find the holes in order to patch them. Okay, so the fact that this is a problem. Well, it's not even the only problem. Right. We also have the issue of not being able to change anything at all. That's just two issues, right? The fact that we're. One, changing an entirely different universe, maybe.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To the fact that we would literally just be missing gaps in time that are completely unexplainable. That's a whole paradox of its own. That's an issue. But three, the fact that maybe no matter what we do, we couldn't change the past. We'd just be passive observers with zero influence in the universe. Like, we could literally talk to somebody and it wouldn't affect any series of events that would happen.

Cristina: We could talk, but what if we.

Jack: Like, warned somebody of Hitler? What if I went.

Cristina: Who would listen to you?

Jack: Who would listen to me, Right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But if I told enough people, would nobody ever be convinced?

Cristina: No. People go around now saying crazy things to everyone they meet and doesn't mean anything. They're just a crazy person who's talking about we're going to h*** or whatever it is that they're.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. The aliens are coming.

Jack: What I'm saying is, if I could convince them, would they be convinced?

Cristina: Would it be possible?

Jack: Or with the universe, make it inherently impossible?

Cristina: I think it would be impossible.

Jack: Like, the. The laws of physics prevent it.

Cristina: Yeah. It just. It doesn't. It wouldn't make sense to them. Like, if they couldn't figure it out beforehand. Why would they just know now? Just because you're telling them. Because that doesn't make sense now.

Jack: I don't get it. What do you mean?

Cristina: Like, they don't know anything about him. Anything you're saying about him could be lies. Why would they trust you? Or anything you're saying? Why are you not just some crazy dude.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Who's predicting the future. Like, so many crazy dudes who are always predicting the future.

Jack: Plethora of crazy. Plethora of crazy dudes.

Cristina: We're always like, the end of the World is coming. The ninth planet is gonna hit us. That type of crazy. What makes you different?

Jack: To be fair, the ninth planet was going to hit us at some point. That is a fact. The ninth planet was gonna hit us. We solved that problem. But it was occurring.

Cristina: That's not important though. That's not important because if no one knows, no one's gonna just believe you.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, it's fair. So, but, but that does. What does that have to do. It's not even about that, right? The reality of the matter is if I could somehow convince them, if I could be like, this is footage of you in the future. Look, you don't remember you doing this stuff? That's because this is from the future. This is videos of things in the future. Now, if, if the universe couldn't be altered, I would ask and they would say, what? Nothing. I guess it wouldn't even be able to respond. It wouldn't make sense. It wouldn't register. But if the universe could be altered, and it's just in your scenario, I'm just not convincing enough because for whatever reason, but in this scenario, if I could, in like, for a fact, prove to you that I'm from the future, would you be like, oh, whoa, that's crazy, the fact that you have videos of me from T shirt, or would that just whoosh right over your head? Because it could never register because the universe is preventing you from registering this information. Because there's some, some barrier.

Cristina: There has to be, because it doesn't happen. Like, if it's possible, then we would know already.

Jack: And there's the other problem of, whoa. Is time travel even in a realistic sense, possible? Because there's the issue of, like, we've never seen somebody come back from, from, from the future. You know, like, nobody in history has been, like, somebody from the future has visited me and they have proof about it?

Cristina: No, I mean, maybe there's someone that says that, but no one believes them with, with proof.

Jack: Maybe they do have proof.

Cristina: Well, they say they have proof, Baron. No, it's never believable.

Jack: But here's the. No, no, no. Somebody from the future would definitely have way better proof than like, we do. They're from the freaking future. It would be so easy for them.

Cristina: Oh yeah, well, when people have proof, they don't share. I guess it's kind of like the guy with the gold tablets that only he can see, and if anyone looks at it, I don't know, it's unreadable. Is that what happens? I don't remember.

Jack: Yeah, they can't read it. Yeah, only he can read it.

Cristina: So like if this guy has something from the future and we saw it, we wouldn't understand because it's from the future. It's too advanced for us to get.

Jack: Yeah. Anything from the future is like that does the same. It's weird, right? It doesn't even have to be from the future really. That's how we ended up on the subject of the sea. People who just happen to exist in our same time, but started to develop so long ago that by the time we are now they are so astoundingly futuristic that they look like nature. That's crazy. That's absurd.

Cristina: But. Exactly. We can't even figure it out. That's old stuff. Old tech.

Jack: No, and that's just present. So what do we do with future tech then? Again, we could just be really lame in the future and because how much into the future are we talking? Right. Let's say. Oh yeah, we're going to in a hun. Let's give us a thousand years. Right. In a thousand years could we take the sea people in a fight, but.

Cristina: Can we time travel?

Jack: In a thousand years?

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, we could time travel in a thousand years. We can time travel. Do you think maybe.

Jack: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Depends. Depends. Time travel being absolutely possible is problematic. We have a broken machine that allows us to do anything. But that's not realistic. No, it's bending the rules. What do you do with out sort of abusing the rules of the universe?

Cristina: Space. Time travel.

Jack: Bending space.

Cristina: Yeah. Traveling so fast in space, you need a space to do it because then you destroy everything around you. If you did it here.

Jack: Why? Why would you destroy everything around you?

Cristina: Because the tech is too much for time travel. Yeah.

Jack: It would require a crap ton of energy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And yeah, because ultimately. No, it would. If you do it efficiently. Like if you can make a time.

Cristina: Machine, then you're just a little box that you go in.

Jack: My point is it would be sufficiently advanced enough that I doubt it would be a giant building type of structure. You know, because it's already a futuristic society. They would probably begin really small in a lab and work their way up in scale.

Cristina: But I think it needs to be a ship.

Jack: It probably. Yeah. Just so that it doesn't take the chunks of land it's on, if anything else.

Cristina: Yeah. And also you don't know where it's gonna land. Like you can't make it land where you want it. Exactly. Like you might be off a little Bit and then everyone dies.

Jack: But you're from the future, so you can get your ship to calculate where in space everything is gonna be at around a certain point.

Cristina: That's why it's easier to travel like that. It was a lot safer. Yeah, just a little bit off. You're not gonna crash into the Earth. But if you did it on Earth, you might just end up in a building.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But no, a computer would make sure it wouldn't happen. The computer would be able to calculate it, so. Exactly. But it would still be more effective to be in space anyways. Yeah, but I think a computer could work those kinks out because the computer would be able to have the smallest margins of data, you know, I guess large amounts of data on the smallest margins effect.

Cristina: But where is it getting this energy to run this machine?

Jack: What, the time machine?

Cristina: Yeah. How much energy? The sun? What kind of tech? There can't be. It can't be small. It can't be small.

Jack: No, the problem is you need infinite energy, and the sun isn't infinite energy.

Jack: That's really the issue. Like, how do you. That's the biggest flaw with time machine. How the h***. How. What are you supposed to do to solve that problem?

Cristina: You're supposed to solve one of these problems, though. Do you have the solutions for this one?

Jack: Well, first we need a perpetual motion machine. That means infinite energy.

Cristina: And how big is that machine?

Jack: Well, perpetual motion as of now seems impossible.

Cristina: Yes. But if you made something humongous.

Jack: No, I don't think that would change it because it would still be subject to the laws of physics. And everything follows a logic of entropy, which means it will stop.

Cristina: It will stop eventually, yeah. Then how do you make it work?

Jack: I don't know. There has to be some rule within physics that makes it possible. Somebody has to have put this argument forward. Right. Because the issues with time machine aren't the going backwards thing. It's how we would interact with the past. Because nothing in physics tells us that time does move only forward. We just happen to perceive it that way and for whatever reason, in a linear fashion. But science does suggest. It doesn't suggest. It just doesn't barrier time motion in any way. You could, in theory just move backwards at any given moment. We would never notice. It would be impossible. So the biggest issues are definitely just interacting with the past and how, like, either the past is preventing us from doing it, or we do something and it erases us from the situation because we had no motivation to come back and do it, which means Then it happened anyways because we never came back to stop it. Which is another version of the universe just stopping us from doing it because of laws.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Of the universe. So how will we move past those situations? Right. You would always need that. I think that's an easy one to fix. That's why I say that one. Because I believe in order to fix a situation in which the motivation for you to go back in time is removed. I guess I don't understand. You would have to, in theory, be able to solve a different issue unrelated to why you jumped back and you.

Cristina: Become Barry from the Flash. You change something, and then you got to go back to change something. So you got to go back to change something.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: You always need a reason to go back and change something, and then you're always in a loop of you got to go back and change something.

Jack: Yeah. Going back through his house, primarily. Which is a freaking nightmare.

Cristina: But that's what you're saying. The only way to keep the time machine and have that motivation to build that time machine is to have a problem to solve with the time machine.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And that would only mean that whatever you solved didn't really solve anything, because you just made a new reason to use the time.

Jack: No, you didn't make a new reason. You. This splits off into two things. You either go back in time, solve the issue you went back to solve, which then removes the reason for you having gone back in time in the first place. Which means it happened because you didn't go back in time to stop it. So then you go back in time to stop it. And because it happened. So that just creates a closed loop.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The other alternative is you go back in time to stop it, but you somehow go and affect a different situation, not what you went back to stop. So the thing you went back in time to stop never got fixed. So you still went back in time. You just never managed to fix it. And then you just go forward in time. So the easiest way to solve this issue would be. No. My theory was I want the issue solved, so I give somebody else the time machine and instruct them on what to do. They would go thinking it's for one thing, then go and do a different thing that I would switch on them. So I make them study for one case, but really they were going to do the other thing. So that motivation never gets satisfied. The reason they went back in time is never affected, which is like, I'm sending you back in time to kill Hitler. You can kill him. He's like, yes, I'm gonna go kill Hitler. Okay, so he goes back in time, but then he doesn't really go kill Hitler, he has to go kill Steve.

Cristina: So he goes and he kills him to kill Steve.

Jack: Yeah. So somehow he got a note, a briefcase with all the instructions, and the last one is actually, don't pull the trigger on Hitler. Shoot Stevenson.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And he's like, what? But he does it.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: So does he then disappear?

Cristina: Who?

Jack: The guy who I sent back in time. He doesn't disappear because his motivation was killing Hitler, and Hitler never got killed.

Cristina: This feels really pointless.

Jack: Well, no, because I had alternative motives, which is to kill Steve for whatever reason. So then I managed to go back in time and change something. But the problem is then me in the future, you don't.

Cristina: You see? Yeah, no, that doesn't work out.

Jack: Yeah. Cuz the same problem occurs. It still leads to the same issue.

Cristina: Yeah, unless he built the time machine, you give him the reason, but it's not the real reason.

Jack: No, there's no way around this. No, around it.

Cristina: Because if you made him, if he made it, and you were like, you can use this to kill Hitler. And he goes, and then you change his mind or tell him some other thing to kill Steve. And then he kills Steve instead. Hitler is still alive, which was his main goal of making the time machine. Is that what you're saying? That still makes no sense. Because why would he kill some random dude? I don't know. This doesn't make sense.

Jack: It doesn't make sense. But look, if he were to kill Steve, then my point is solved in the future and I have no reason to tell him to go kill Steve. Like it still cancels itself out. There's no way around.

Cristina: He still has his reason of making the time machine, which.

Jack: Well, no, because the. The moment could never happen in which I sent him back in time.

Cristina: What if he was already going back in time but his reason changed? No. I don't know.

Jack: No, I could never affect the moment because it involves time travel. Yeah, I could never affect it. It's pretty. Yeah, I think it's true. We simply can't affect it. It's gonna keep canceling itself out.

Jack: Every possible direction just goes back to an impossible paradox. It.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, I stopped it. So it happened.

Cristina: Mm, yeah. It's still gonna happen. There's nothing you can do.

Jack: Time travel is complicated, man.

Cristina: But you said you're gonna break it. You're gonna figure it out.

Jack: We're gonna figure it out. There must be a way There must be a way to figure it out. Around this issue of time travel. How do we unparadox us? You can be able to alter the past successfully without. The only solution is it's a different universe. That's the only way. Really? Really. It has to be a different universe. You have to be going to parallel universes past so that it's almost identical. I guess.

Cristina: I don't know. But it doesn't make sense. Like, okay, so, so you, so you go there and save your child, but if you go back to your time, your child's still dead. But in this new reality. Do you just live in this reality where your child is alive and what happened to the version of you that's in that reality?

Jack: That's another problem, because you would in theory have a version of you in that reality.

Cristina: You would murder that person and take over their life so you can live with your child. Does that solve it?

Jack: But hey, you're older though, I think. Just be there and don't kill the other. You just be too. It's cool.

Cristina: That's cool. I don't know. That's very odd. It is pretty strange because how do you explain that?

Jack: You. Who to who. Who cares?

Cristina: I feel like you're breaking other people's realities at that point.

Jack: Yeah, but what problem? Who cares? Who cares? They're gonna be like, oh, I didn't know he had a twin.

Cristina: And then your child gets mentally ill because reality of having you and the older version of you where you. He knows he's dead in. Because you're there for a reason.

Jack: Well, that's the question. Do you tell your. Do you tell your kid? Do you have to come clean about.

Cristina: I guess you don't, but like, it's kind of suspicious that you're there to watch over this child.

Jack: You could be his uncle. You would literally be his uncle, his dad. Yeah, but look, you. Oh, I guess you. I guess you didn't stop him from dying when he was born. You stopped him from dying at some point 20 years later, right? Yeah, no, it's been 20 years.

Cristina: It's been 20 years.

Jack: You don't know how old he was. Oh, yeah. He could have just been a little kid.

Cristina: So. And then now he's 27 and you're like, I guess what were you when you were. When he was 7.

Jack: You're 37, I guess, which would then make you 57.

Cristina: Yes. And then your version of you that's younger is like very confused because you're obviously them, but older.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: You'll Be like, I'm your father. What kind of lie?

Jack: Yeah, it wouldn't make any sense.

Cristina: It wouldn't make any sense.

Jack: But also. Yeah, I don't know. Would you. That's so messing with me. Would you not have been there? You traveled forward in time. You changed the path. I mean, you traveled back in time.

Cristina: You're not traveling back. You're not traveling forward. Actually, you're. What if you just save him and then you stay there?

Jack: Save him and stay there. I think that solves a lot.

Cristina: No, but it still doesn't. Because everyone's confused. Because there's still this other version of you.

Jack: Because you entered a different universe.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You just got.

Cristina: But you're still older.

Jack: Yes. You just gotta explain that. Came from a different future. A different universe's future. To save this child.

Cristina: No, you're not supposed. Because that messes with the child. Unless you think it's possible for someone to find this out and not have some kind of mental something happening in which they know. They're like, it doesn't make sense for you to care that much. But we saw in the Flash where Cisco is obsessed because the Flash killed his brother who he never met. It happened. Okay, that's the show, too, but still.

Jack: Brother from a different.

Cristina: Exactly. This is the exact thing that show is talking about. People are weird. They get attached to these weird things. That child, even though he's alive, he knows there's a version of him who's dead. And he's gonna freak out. Even though he's alive.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. We gotta consider people's stupid emotions.

Cristina: Exactly. That's the problem. It's so weird. It's a weird one, because it's not really time travel related now. It's just.

Jack: Leftism.

Cristina: I don't know. Mental health.

Jack: Mental health.

Cristina: People around you are gonna freak out. Everyone that knows that you're from the future.

Jack: Yeah. They're gonna. It's gonna be really weird. And, like, there's gonna be a lot of skeptics. They're gonna say, dude, pulling a prank or some. Something like that, you know?

Cristina: Yeah. Like, I don't think a lot of people will believe it if you have no proof. Like, maybe you. You're. You got a time machine. You hide it, right? Like, you're. It's not out in the open. You just look like an older version of that other version of you. Then that's the only hint to anyone who believes it. That's the only thing they got to say. Like, your time travel is, hey, you look like that guy but older man. I don't. Maybe if they do a blood test that would also prove it.

Jack: Now, thinking about it, I don't think it would be safe. I don't think it would be safe to tell anybody you have a time machine. Just think of humans just straight up. We were being real ignorant right now.

Cristina: Yes. But I'm thinking the technology is so advanced, no one could do anything with it.

Jack: Okay. So only the driver.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Got you. It was just.

Cristina: They can't even find it.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: It's out in the open and no.

Jack: One like it's straight up invisible and you could phase through it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting. Okay.

Cristina: There's nothing you can do to him to get to it. He'll die with his technology.

Jack: Yeah. Like his hand opens it or something, you know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Not even he is. He is beating hand. It has. He has to be alive.

Cristina: Oh, but how would you know that? Like you could still not believe him and kill him.

Jack: Yeah, but you wouldn't know that. Exactly. Exactly. Nobody would ever be able to use it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It would then just be. It would just be irrelevant to tell him to tell. Not for to tell him, but for him to tell anybody because they would never be able to find it. He would always be unbelievable. Although they might torture him to get to it.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So I guess it would still be dangerous if somebody believed you.

Cristina: So you can't tell anyone because if.

Jack: Somebody believes you, they might kill you to find something that they can never find.

Cristina: Yeah. But the people around you would definitely know something's up. You'd have to tell them at least.

Jack: Yes. And they would definitely believe you if there were suddenly two of you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And if one of you was older.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's where it becomes a real problem. Right. Unless if it's like, is this your real dad situation? Everybody's gonna believe that in sudden.

Cristina: That you're telling people that you're the father.

Jack: That they just assume that and believe that's the truth. Regardless of what they tell you. They believe that they're just like, oh, he looks way older, but almost the same. That must be his dad. Like that's secretly their background thought. Regardless of this. Oh yeah, sure, whatever.

Cristina: Even if you're right next to the other guy.

Jack: Yeah. That you look so identical. They think he's your. The dude from the future is the father of the child of the guy he looks identical from.

Cristina: Oh, okay. I guess because you're 20 year old.

Jack: You're 20 years older than him. This is a 20 year old older you now. And the 20.

Cristina: Would you want this version of you to be in your child's life. If that version of you isn't really you, it's a stranger who's claiming to be this child. I mean, I guess you'd believe him, but still, he's kind of obsessed, and you don't know him.

Jack: Yes. And now your kid's safe, so you're never gonna have that obsession.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This is a stranger who thinks in a way that you'll never.

Cristina: Yeah, he'll.

Jack: You'll never have the trauma of your kid dying because of this car accident. Because he saved your child. You don't even believe your kid was ever even gonna be hurt.

Cristina: Yeah, like, you're just trying. Like, do you automatically believe him?

Jack: No, I think he would have to convince you. But what could you bring from the future that could be believed? Right, because you would have changed the future with the photo. Change. You know, I bring you a photo, will the photo change because the future changed? But that's a photo from a different universe.

Cristina: I don't know if that would matter.

Jack: So you would just be like, no, this is clearly you. Look. And I'd be like, oh, yeah, that is me. And I remember that day and everything. And like, yeah, this is. Oh, no, you can't remember the day because it's in the future. Yeah, see, that's definitely me. And he's doing something that only I would know, or blah, blah, blah. Or I guess you could do that. Tell him all your deepest target secrets because you know them all.

Cristina: Okay, he knows that you're him. But why does he want you to be in his child's life?

Jack: Because you're him.

Cristina: So you.

Jack: Your kid is only around because he saved your kid.

Cristina: That's. But why do you believe him?

Jack: Because he can prove he's you.

Cristina: But he could be a crazy you from the future who's obsessed with your child.

Jack: Oh, s***. Okay. I wasn't thinking about that. I wasn't thinking that he would be deceptive. I was mainly thinking, like, no, he could prove it. A hundred percent.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Without a doubt.

Cristina: And then you find him raping your child one day. Then what?

Jack: But then that means you have that.

Cristina: Potential in you, but you don't, I guess, at this moment, because your child.

Jack: Is alive, you think raping your child is a byproduct of the obsession he.

Cristina: Got for making this machine.

Jack: Oh, you think it's like a Jesus, like obsession?

Cristina: Yes. I don't know.

Jack: People wanting to be with Jesus.

Cristina: He just got so obsessed with a child while making this machine that it Became more.

Jack: It became more than the.

Cristina: Than just wanting him to live. No, let's not say he wants to do that. He just wants to raise a child with you.

Jack: Yeah, but I'm trying to, man. The biggest issue is really affecting the past, and there are a couple of barriers to do that. And so if you enter a different universe, you're affecting something else entirely. And the real question becomes, if you tell people it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter.

Cristina: But also, how do you live a normal life?

Jack: How do you live a normal. You can. You can't live the normal life. That's easy.

Cristina: You just gotta leave.

Jack: There are many people who are illegal.

Cristina: Okay. So you gotta live an illegal life.

Jack: Yeah, just go chill by the border, you know, like, there's. That. That part is easy. You could definitely just blend in if you're stuck on this end. Okay. I guess the question is, is it worth saving your son if you'll never be able to see him again? You truly have to love your son and then go back in time to save him from the car accident, knowing he would have a life and you'll never get to spend another moment with him.

Cristina: Why would you not get to spend that moment with him?

Jack: Because you're gonna go live somewhere where there are few people and not be bothered. Because.

Cristina: Oh, because you're gonna live that illegal immigrant life.

Jack: Yeah. You're gonna go live that immigrant life.

Cristina: That's complicated. Because you can't just hide in his house to raise a child. You have to hide and spy. I don't know. Or you gotta go back home.

Jack: Hide, inspire. Go back home. What do you mean?

Cristina: Hide somewhere else and spy on your child through the Internet or whatever.

Jack: Oh, like stalk em. Yeah, I guess you get Internet. Stalk your child.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But I guess if ultimately, if the mission is effectively saving your child, then mission accomplished.

Cristina: Well, it's not just about saving it. You want to raise this child that's not your child.

Jack: That is your child.

Cristina: Well, it's not technically. I mean, this reality is not. It's this other version of you's child.

Jack: Yeah, but, like, universes are almost identical.

Cristina: But do you want to raise your child with you? Like, that's so weird. Imagine if an older version of you came right now and wanted to raise your child with you. How weird is that? You're just gonna be accepting of it because he's from the future. I mean, even what's the proof? Isn't that weird?

Jack: But he knows better because he's from the future.

Cristina: He doesn't Know better on raising children.

Jack: Because he has had the same amount of experience. No, he was seven.

Cristina: Yeah. And that's it.

Jack: So that's seven more years than I have. Bam.

Cristina: No, it's not. It's the exact same. Because your child's seven.

Jack: Well, because he jumped back to the. Yeah. No, you're right. It's the same amount of parenting. So what? A better parent than somebody who's at your exact level.

Cristina: But still, like, do you want to agree on everything? Do you wanna.

Jack: I guess they could do an odd couple scenario where they're like a.

Cristina: And if you're with a girl. And, like, what if he's with that girl, too, but in the future?

Jack: Oh, I guess it doesn't matter because.

Cristina: What if they become in a relationship, but you're with her right now and.

Jack: Well, it's in the future.

Cristina: No, but what if. But he's now here. What if she falls in love with this older version of you and wants to leave you for you?

Jack: Interesting. Interesting.

Cristina: And then what if you realize your child actually starts to fall in love with this version, this older version of you more than you? Like, how much?

Jack: What if everything slowly migrates in his favor?

Cristina: Yeah, like, he's so much better than you. I mean, he built a time machine. He made me super cool.

Jack: He's 20 years cooler than you.

Cristina: Exactly. He's 20 years cooler.

Jack: There's no way to even compete with that. He's 20 years cooler than you'll ever be.

Cristina: Yeah. So.

Jack: Well, that is what it is. What are you gonna do? It doesn't even make sense to be like, no, me from the future. You're not gonna help me raise my kid. You make something crazy happen, and he knows better.

Cristina: But, like, he can't do anything. I don't know. Because you're feeding him and you're living him leaving. Live in your house and he has your woman you gotta do.

Jack: Freeload and then, like, making you a cuck.

Cristina: Exactly. He's got everything of yours, but he doesn't have to work because he can't work. And you have to feed him.

Jack: He could work.

Cristina: He's gonna work illegally, I guess.

Jack: He's gonna bring that cash payout.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Every day.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: At the end of the week. I doubt that one, though. Under the table is probably every day.

Cristina: Every day.

Jack: Yeah. Maybe they get paid every day.

Cristina: I don't know. Okay, so he can at least contribute somehow.

Jack: He will. Maybe he makes a lot of money illegally. Although that Southwest is probably milked.

Cristina: Why? Because, like, he can do some weird Illegal hacking job or something. I don't know. He's got the technology to time travel. He could do some online.

Jack: That's fair. He could probably just make himself rich. Yeah, like realistically, just hack into the bank, change numbers, make himself legal paperwork. He'd do all of it. That would be so easy. It's from the future. I don't know why any of this would even be a slight problem.

Cristina: This is weird, because then if he gets noticed, questions are asked, he gets found out, he gets kidnapped and tortured to tell them about his machine.

Jack: It's so difficult to kidnap and torture him because of his text. It would be so astoundingly and amazingly complicated. In fact, I would go as far as to say that I believe there's nothing anybody could do to stop him. If he came from a future with a time machine. Oh, it's only 20 minutes. D***. I'm thinking it's so far in the future, it's only 20 years. So I guess it's close scientifically that like. Yeah, you could still get shot and die if.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, you know, like your tech is on par to some degree. Only 20 years difference. And you didn't make an upgrade, you just went back in time. Unless you came strapped with crazy future guns.

Cristina: No, like 20 year older guns. No, I don't think so.

Jack: Won't be like crazy leaps and bounds. You're more or less in the same ballpark. So you jump back in time, change this thing.

Cristina: I don't know if it'll work out.

Jack: It wouldn't. It wouldn't. It wouldn't be able. You wouldn't be able to. You wouldn't be able to. It's one. It's a different universe. Then there's the problem of the two you's.

Cristina: That is just an awkward thing.

Jack: Yeah, I mean, you could do it awkward. It's not a problem. Socially, that might be an issue. The government might like, put a hit on one of you. This can't be. You can't let people know there's time machines. That's problematic. So like, if anybody finds out that could anybody of significance that could make this problem go away. They will.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So that's another problem. Letting people know it all.

Cristina: But you need to let someone know.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because then how do you live with this family?

Jack: Which means you got to tell at least the family.

Cristina: Yeah. So.

Jack: But what the. Who cares? What do. What's the point?

Cristina: Because someone is gonna find out, right?

Jack: You're gonna tell the family.

Cristina: Yeah, but like someone you don't want to know will eventually find out if you're.

Jack: I mean, I guess it's not a sure thing, but a likely thing. With the more time goes by, the more likely it becomes.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But it doesn't mean it's gonna happen.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So there's still the possibility it goes pretty smoothly.

Cristina: Mm I don't know. It's just a weird situation.

Jack: That's mainly because it's time travel.

Cristina: Yes. But also you're living with yourself. It's very weird.

Jack: Yeah. And time travel led to how weird that is.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You went back in time and you're living with yourself in a different universe. It's really just universe changing in a different time.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's the weird line you draw from one bubble to another and then down that bubble's linearity into the past. But somehow you didn't just enter it. You landed specifically outside of your bubble in the other bubble in the past.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: Mm. So does it work out?

Jack: I don't know. You. You still wouldn't be able to interact with anything and change it without killing the motivation for you to go back in the first place. If you accomplished your mission. Yeah, it's the biggest. If you accomplished your mission, you never needed to go back and solve it. You know, like whatever it is you're doing would immediately see if it's a.

Cristina: Different reality, I guess.

Jack: Not really. If it's a different reality, but then you're also aware that it's a different reality, and that's a different issue entirely. Right. Because it's more about you integrating into this new world. There's nothing about it being the past. It's significant other than the. At least to you, you saved your child. So it's more about integrating into whatever world you're in because it's not the world you came from originally and everybody but you belongs there. So everybody's fully aware of this. You're sticking out feature that you come with.

Cristina: Yes. And knowing you feel that too. Like you'd feel like the odd fallout.

Jack: Yeah. Because you come from the future.

Cristina: Yeah. Or you come from a different reality, whether it's the future or not.

Jack: Fair enough. Yeah. You come literally from a different place outside the common space.

Cristina: You're an alien in a way.

Jack: Yeah. But I think that's something everybody would have to get used in the future anyways, being an alien. Because any new place you visit, you're the foreign one too. Yeah.

Cristina: So you. What if you save your son and then he grows up to be Hitler?

Jack: That would be nuts.

Cristina: Do you go back in time and kill your son.

Jack: You couldn't. It would be impossible. It would be impossible to go back in time and stop Hitler.

Cristina: Because then you gotta go to a different reality anyway.

Jack: Yeah, you. Oh yeah.

Cristina: Because you can never go back to your original. That's the point.

Jack: Yeah. So Hitler would just have happened.

Cristina: Yes. I guess you would then jump back. No. Yeah, I guess you go to another reality where you don't save your son. But then you're still living with you. But you don't have to tell you anything. You could just live your own life without telling you what you. But then that version of you makes a time machine to save your son.

Jack: Goes infinitely.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Ah.

Cristina: It's a. Yeah.

Jack: It's always gonna cancel itself out.

Cristina: What? I thought we got it.

Jack: No, it's a closed loop. It's always a closed loop. There's absolutely nothing could be done. Really?

Cristina: Really.

Jack: The. The problem we have to solve before we can jump into any other problem is finding out how we can go back in time and change anything without changing the need for us to go back in time.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's hard.

Cristina: That's hard. So hard.

Jack: Because our purpose has to be there.

Cristina: But even in this way that we figured it out, like you could just jump somewhere else, but then there's still a version of you who's stuck in this reality even though it's not you. You're still living a normal life even though you know that there's a version of you that's gonna create Hitler. There's nothing you can do about that version of you. You could just continue living life.

Jack: Yeah. And it's also not gonna affect you.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. That's that other version of you's problem.

Jack: Yeah. It'll never, as long as you live, come across your radar.

Cristina: Exactly. So it kind of works out sort of.

Jack: Yeah. It kind of makes everything meaningless essentially. Because nothing matters. Like there's a million other universes. And he's gonna go out there and make a million Hitlers. Who cares? He didn't make it here. Yay.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess. Cuz you're always gonna jump to a version where he's not. Where you didn't kill. I mean, save your son. That's.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: So that helps. So then when you made that time machine to go to save your son, there was a version of you that just popped up into your reality that you just left behind because he was running away from his reality where he accidentally made Hitler.

Jack: That's fascinating. If you do this long enough, eventually in the future, like if you're going to the same place throughout time. Eventually in the future, you're gonna come across this guy.

Cristina: No, you always jump. You'll be you. You guys will always be jumping to the next. You'll never be in the same with the other person. I think.

Jack: Why, if there's many versions of you throughout time.

Cristina: I guess because it's really.

Jack: Especially if you develop a habit and go through the same place over and.

Cristina: Over in the same place.

Jack: Yeah. Like you. You always teleport to the same house or the same part of space or wherever the case might be.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That throughout time you do that. So every version of you will slowly start meeting other versions of you and having casual small talk with other versions of me as you walk hallways and stuff of this place.

Cristina: This is very strange.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Reality is broken. Okay.

Jack: Yeah, for sure. Anyways, anyways, anyways. Anyways. I didn't get anywhere.

Cristina: No.

Jack: I managed to solve nothing. And I actually uncovered more issues that are unsolvable. But I tried my best and got nowhere. So what I have to do is really find all the different time travel related paradoxes and see what proposed solutions for these problems exist and see if I can improve on those solutions and make them viable things.

Cristina: Okay, yes, let's do that.

Jack: That's what matters. Doing that and accomplishing that is in fact the most important part.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: I don't know. Maybe we could apply that to Jesus.

Cristina: Okay, that sounds good. Yes.

Jack: And you guys can tell us about any version of a time travel paradox solution that you may have on Instagram, Twitter, TikTok and Facebook.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And word of mouth, tell people, talk to people, mention the show. Tell them that we're trying to figure out how to kink out the problems with time travel. We're gonna figure it out.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's gonna be figured out.

Cristina: Of course we're gonna do it.

Jack: Yes. We're gonna be ones.

Cristina: Yes. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. What?

Jack: What?

Cristina: Some other location.

Jack: I think. Think so too. Look, all jokes aside, it's not that far from the Bermuda Triangle. Like, it isn't in the Bermuda Triangle, but it's like next door neighbors to it. That's crazy. I didn't know that. I could have sworn Costa Rica was an island.

Cristina: I don't know, maybe I confused it with.

Jack: That's nuts. So Costa Rica is Central America.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know the connection though.

Jack: That makes it weirder. Had it been in the Triangle, there's also a bunch of crap about Atlantis in the Triangle we know.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.in fox, art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister. With social media managed by Amber Black.

January 14, 2023

Rambling 209: Reviving The Dead

January 14, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Is the Resurrection of Jesus Christ an event that took place? If Jesus never died, were any sins cleansed? Will we have to be the ones to resurrect Jesus Christ? The duo begins the process of searching for the best way to extract Jesus from cryostasis, but in order to do so, they must deep dive into all the different methods of revival conceived of by man.

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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And look, when we're grounding those ideas, they tend to be really baffling. And so we go into more baffling ideas and it says it's a. What do you call it? A self fulfilling prophecy? No, it's a feedback loop. The feedback loop.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's what happens. But listen to me. Last week we were talking about how different people celebrate death.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: And I was thinking it'd be real interesting if we got on to fixing our big problem. The opposite of death. Revival.

Cristina: Oh, bringing Jesus back.

Jack: Yeah, apparent. Apparently it's up to us to be responsible for the resurrection.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So that's the thing.

Cristina: So waiting for signs to catch up isn't good enough?

Jack: Nope. I mean, what are the odds? The odds that if we go into the future and they're just a bunch of cat people, they're not gonna help us?

Cristina: Yeah. So there's gotta be a better way.

Jack: This has got to be another way. So I figure we would look into a couple of the ways that people and media have discussed coming back from the dead.

Cristina: Do zombies count?

Jack: Zombies. Okay, look, if you're a voodoo zombie, you didn't come back from the dead. You're still dead. If you're a science zombie, you never died. Okay, this is the problem. See? Yes, the issue. Because the. The. The. The. The voodoo zombie is just a puppet. It's an empty shell.

Cristina: Huh? We can't do that to Jesus.

Jack: Well, he wouldn't be Jesus. He would just be an empty puppet. We gotta tell him to do stuff.

Cristina: Aren't we gonna do that anyway?

Jack: No.

Cristina: What's the plan? I don't know why we're bringing him back.

Jack: Powers, I guess. Well, we're really investigating him more than anything.

Cristina: Okay. If he has powers to help us and doesn't want to help us. Voodoo zombie.

Jack: I mean, first, let's pick that apart. If he doesn't want to help us and he has powers, are we facing a. The boys type scenario?

Cristina: We have a groundhog.

Jack: Okay, listen to me. We can potentially. Is what you're saying here like the image is playing in my mind that we take in a. In a rogue Jesus scenario where we bring him back to life and he's like, I'm not helping you. In fact, I am stopping you or whatever happens, we then go ahead and grab Steve the groundhog and immediately fling him at Jesus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Hoping that a combat happens in which the Pokemon. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. In which the. In which Steve the groundhog with his.

Cristina: Communication with the clouds. Like, it's not just Steve the magical groundhog. He's got buddies.

Jack: If it works.

Cristina: If it works.

Jack: What if it doesn't work?

Cristina: What then?

Jack: What? Like what's what? What? What does Steve have on Jesus?

Cristina: Weather.

Jack: Weather.

Cristina: He controls the elements. Except for fire. Lightning counts. So that is fire. Right.

Jack: That's interesting. So his one avatar. Almost. He's almost the avatar because he doesn't control fire. That is true. There's like a gap in his knowledge. So he's not like a groundhog. Could never be the Avatar.

Cristina: Why not?

Jack: Because he doesn't have control of fire and you have to.

Cristina: Well, he has control of the weather and the weather has fire.

Jack: What weather has fire?

Cristina: Lightning.

Jack: Yes, you're right. It's just a form of fire. Fair enough.

Cristina: And aren't there fire clouds? That's not a thing. Fire tornadoes. He can make fire tornadoes also, like.

Jack: What'S wrong with Aang for not doing that?

Cristina: I don't know, because that's probably not natural.

Jack: Just hella op. Is that natural thing fire tornadoes at the Fire Nation?

Cristina: That would be amazing.

Jack: Come on, dude. That's just like. All their boats are screwed.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Making tidal waves. He could do whatever he wants. The Avatar's op. It's real exaggerated.

Cristina: Except he's a peeps will. Dude. Crystal Mark. Yeah.

Jack: Usually the Avatar is a very pacifist. Has to be. That's a lot of power.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And with great power comes great responsibility. According to Uncle Ben.

Cristina: Ben? Well, Ben's not around. What's the hedgehog fight?

Jack: The hedgehog fight the hedgehog.

Cristina: What is the groundhog Groundhog fight.

Jack: So throw Steve at Jesus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's gonna fail real hard.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because Jesus look, this fight's gonna go like. Do you remember that movie where the people were like magicians and then they got like. They were like secretly thieves. And the greatest trick ever was the movie. And then the end is them robbing the bank or whatever. They were explaining the whole thing throughout the movie until the heist gets pulled.

Cristina: Off and like, yes, the cops was chasing them, but it turns out the cop is actually one of the magicians.

Jack: Yes, Mark Ru. Magician of them all.

Cristina: I don't. Okay, what about it?

Jack: Well, that movie where they are doing that, I figure. I figured that that's kind of how it would play out between Steve and Jesus. I feel like they're.

Cristina: He's the greatest magician who.

Jack: Jesus.

Cristina: He's like movie magic. Magic.

Jack: Yeah. He's mind bogglingly magical.

Cristina: Yeah. Nothing too crazy, but just crazy in the. No one can actually do this.

Jack: Okay, fair enough. Look. So Steve, the legit demigod, versus Jesus, the totally human illusionist who's just really clever with his hands.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He's gonna beat this overpowered groundhog.

Cristina: But his illusions are so real.

Jack: Yeah. With his sleight of hand.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He's gonna. With the power of sleight of hand, j defeated the groundhog.

Cristina: Okay, so how are you bringing him back?

Jack: Okay, I don't know, because cryostasis is pretty complicated, and it seems we don't know how to reverse a problem in which the blood vessels themselves freeze and just become icicles.

Cristina: What if we find a vampire? Could that help?

Jack: I'm not sure that would bring them back. I'm pretty sure the vampire still has a circulatory system that functions.

Cristina: Vampires can turn humans into vampires.

Jack: Right, but now what are you gonna do if the blood isn't pumping around this person's veins?

Cristina: We pump it first. We can't do that somehow? Oh, no. That's part of the problem. Okay. Okay. What else?

Jack: Well, we have to figure out what else, ultimately, because cryostasis is so complicated. So undoing the fact now. First we got to try to understand what the h*** cryostasis is and is like the person conscious on the other side. So you've died. The light's gonna go out, but we stop you right. Right before.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Then we throw you in a tank of water, and then we fill it up with some liquid that creates the solution that essentially freezes you. Are you conscious in that time? Are you seeing the outside world?

Cristina: I don't know. You're probably dead.

Jack: Do you feel that? So you're not there the whole time. They have to. Literally, there is a revival actually happening.

Cristina: Like bringing someone back from dead?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Right?

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: Except you never died. They stopped it. That's the point.

Cristina: Yeah, then it's more like being in a dream.

Jack: Look, were you dreaming? Is the point. Because your brain still had to be functional in order to be brought back.

Cristina: I don't know. You probably were. People who wake up from that stuff, remember things.

Jack: But then the question is, do you remember the entire time?

Cristina: No, I doubt it.

Jack: Not the entire time. But you. Is it like the longest dream you've ever had? And there's like a million billion dreams because it's been so long.

Cristina: There's no way you can remember all those dreams, though. You'll just remember a few last dreams, maybe.

Jack: Well, the question is then, what about people in comas? Do people in comas feel that they were in a dream?

Cristina: I bet they do. Because don't people come back from things like that? I don't know about comas, maybe comas, but like, they come back with life, life after death experience, whether it's like heaven, h***, or living as someone else. Those are just dreams.

Jack: Yeah. Okay, fair enough. Those are definitely just dreams. There's no way they really just became another person. That wouldn't make sense.

Cristina: So I don't know. They're not dead dead and sometimes.

Jack: But we don't always know why somebody comes out of a coma, which would be the closest thing we have on a regular basis of bringing somebody out of death, a coma. Because we can sort of, to some degree manage a coma. But we don't always know why a person comes out of a coma or what's holding them in the coma to begin with.

Cristina: Yeah, it's usually something random or I guess we don't know at all. They just wake up.

Jack: They just pop up. They suddenly start recovering or not recovering, but wake up. Just wake up?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why'd they wake up? Who the h*** knows? And it's always random. Like maybe they'll wake up.

Cristina: So are we just gonna hope that Jesus wakes up?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So one of the first things we could try would be to go real old school and we just take him out of the tank and CPR him.

Cristina: What?

Jack: That is the most consistently used, most old school and effective form of revival cpr.

Cristina: But never on someone. Not like in his condition.

Jack: Never on somebody in his condition. But he has brought people back from the dead.

Cristina: How long were they dead for?

Jack: There have been people who've been dead for minutes. And this brings them back because he's been.

Cristina: Wait, I guess it might not have been that long. Because if we got him right at the moment that they hid his body and then we put him in the machine, although it's probably been a week or two. It's been like two weeks now.

Jack: Something like that. Yeah, sure.

Cristina: Yeah. So maybe it's safe.

Jack: Yeah. Because presumably what the liquid of cryostasis is doing is slowing down the process up to almost a. A full stop, the process of death. But it's not fully stopped. So all we have to do is re. Speed it up. Right.

Cristina: You know how to do it?

Jack: Well, we could do. See we just undo him and put cpr.

Cristina: So that's it.

Jack: Undo it and pump his heart, push oxygen in there and start pumping.

Cristina: That sounds very easy.

Jack: Hope it jump starts him.

Cristina: Is there a chance that that will fail? If that fails, does he die?

Jack: I mean, I'm pretty sure in every option, if we fail to revive him, he's dead.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Like, if we try it and it doesn't do anything and we just put him back in the box, will he be okay?

Jack: I don't know if that's how that will work, but we could always try. We could always just throw him back in.

Cristina: Yeah. Just keep retrying with different things.

Jack: Yeah, but we would have to obviously come to a conclusion. To what? A couple of things that we would try first. Okay, I'm just gonna randomly try.

Cristina: Just do everything. Okay. That sounds like a good one, though. Yeah, it doesn't seem like anything could go wrong.

Jack: What, and giving him cpr?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Well, alternatively, way old school, the defibrillator is a way to go. We go get a defibrillator, we pull him out of the tank, and then we just hit him with electricity a couple of times to the chest. Who knows? Maybe think about it. Shocks, warms the body.

Cristina: He's all wet.

Jack: Yeah, it's gonna conduct well.

Cristina: It's gonna kill him. Burn him up. He's gonna be on fire.

Jack: Do you think he'll be on fire? Yeah, it depends if that liquid is flammable or not.

Cristina: What if it's super flammable?

Jack: What if it's not flammable at all?

Cristina: Wait, is it the liquid in his blood?

Jack: No, I don't. I mean, it has to be at this point, right? How long has he been in cryostasis? How is it not three weeks? No, no, no. He's been in cryostasis for 2,000 years.

Cristina: Then we just put him in a time trial. No, we came back from the time travel. Oh, I thought we brought him back.

Jack: No, no, no, no. He's been in cryostasis for 2000 years. We only went back in time to put him in cryostasis. We didn't bring him with us.

Cristina: Yes, I forgot.

Jack: Santa Claus bring him to us as a gift.

Cristina: Duh. Okay, let's not do that. Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay, so anything we do to him is super risky.

Jack: Yeah, everything's gonna have risk. I am thinking that the defibrillator is definitely gonna have a little more of an oomph, and chances are it might work more. It is electricity. We are trying to Bring him out of a sort of frozen imitation state. And it seems like electricity to the heart, to the brain, that can do it. That could be the thing. It would heat again. It would course through the body, heating up random little bits. He's not literally frozen. But it's imitating frozen. Maybe. But then maybe because he's not literally frozen, it's a bad idea.

Cristina: It might be a bad idea. I don't know. We gotta talk to an expert. Ask them. One of those people in that weird website that we saw about. What the. The cryostasis people. Ask them if you could defl.

Jack: They don't know how it works.

Cristina: Oh, so if you ask them if you could do that to one of.

Jack: Them, they don't know how it works? They know because they're waiting on the technology themselves.

Cristina: Like anyone's trying, though.

Jack: Why would they try? The purpose of freezing the person would be defeated. If right now is when you. Because you just kill them.

Cristina: What if someone put that in their will? I want you to leave me frozen for this long and then leave me.

Jack: Regardless of how far technology has gone.

Cristina: Why has no one done that?

Jack: Who knows? Maybe somebody has.

Cristina: That's a crazy.

Jack: Maybe they're like, when the last living member of my bloodline is born, I want to be woken up. Or when the last living member of my bloodline is like 20 years old, I want to meet what they're like. So I want to. That's when you bring me out.

Cristina: Yes. Even if the tech is not ready.

Jack: Yeah. Which doesn't make sense because you just wake up and die.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or not even wake up. You'll just die. You'll just take you out. Boom, flop. Which I'm expecting would happen. Which is why we need to figure out what to do to Jesus right off the bat to resurrect them.

Cristina: Okay, so I'm still not sure about that one.

Jack: The defibrillator.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's a bit aggressive.

Cristina: I feel like we could hurt him.

Jack: But he's gonna be dead if we do nothing. So, like electricity over, no electricity.

Cristina: Okay, maybe.

Jack: I think that works a lot. Alternatively, there's a bunch of magic options that we can use.

Cristina: Those are the only non magic options.

Jack: I mean, there are other science y options that aren't magic, but.

Cristina: No, let's hear about the magic.

Jack: But voodoo is. Again, he's not. He's not alive. Technically, we wouldn't be able to use his magic. We'd be stuck using magic on him, which would defeat the purposes of what we need. But if crap got Bad. And we need, for whatever reason, to.

Cristina: No, that doesn't make sense, Uncle Bernie. Yeah, like, we don't need to do that. What is the purpose of that?

Jack: To fake his aliveness.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Somebody came to visit, and we wanted to pretend he was alive. So that they don't know he's dead. Nah, because they'll think the second crucifixion happened. Or saved again.

Cristina: Why are we gonna confuse people? Let's not do that.

Jack: Okay. Non voodoo, black magic. This is a weird one, because we'd be literally using the forces of evil. We, you know, make some sort of animal sacrifice, gather a couple of things here and there. This is the way to go. This is definitely on the better side of options. Find an animal, cut it open, spill its blood over a thing. You know, the whole ritual thing.

Cristina: But is it, like, supernatural, that you have to, like, give up your soul if you make the deal?

Jack: Well, this is magic. This isn't a deal with a demon.

Cristina: Oh, it's not. It's not gonna lead to a deal with a demon or anything.

Jack: No, no, no.

Cristina: The magic isn't asking for anything.

Jack: No. I mean, it's black magic. Something always goes wrong. But, yeah, probably not predictable like that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But black magic is definitely one of the ways to go.

Cristina: Mm. Because we don't actually have to do the black magic.

Jack: We don't have to do the black magic. We have creatures that know magic or advanced technology, which is this magic. I don't know when it's magic and. Or technology anymore.

Cristina: It sounds like magic.

Jack: It sounds like magic, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What if it's nature tech?

Cristina: Nature tech, who knows?

Jack: Right. But yeah, so we can definitely approach bringing Jesus back from the dead with black magic. A lot of the issues with this one is these black magic tactics always tend to come back to Satan, and it's unlikely that, like, they'll work. Even if they did work in every other instance, why would Satan allow them to work if it was to revive Jesus Christ? So I think the technical issue here relies more on who is for rather than its true effectiveness. And on average, I'm sure that black magic would just be effective.

Cristina: But because it's Jesus, Satan's gonna be like, nah.

Jack: Yeah. And it won't be effective.

Cristina: Why would Satan care?

Jack: Because Satan doesn't want it to be Jesus. Satan doesn't like Jesus.

Cristina: Why? He doesn't know Jesus. You think he knows him? He's not just some dude claiming stuff. You think Satan knows him?

Jack: Satan might know. Look, no. If Jesus is who he says he.

Cristina: Is, then yeah, we shouldn't risk it. Okay, what if he takes his body? Maybe we make a deal like that.

Jack: Give Satan his body.

Cristina: Yes. Still thinking, like, supernatural.

Jack: Yeah. No, this wouldn't work. Look, there's no crossroads demon happening. This is not a crossroads demon scenario. This is just magic. You're gonna put the things together, you're gonna throw some of their hair, you're gonna light their picture on fire. Say a thing, your lights are gonna go out. A demonic voice is gonna say something, and then lights are gonna come back on, and then your dead missing person is gonna be in front of you, and you're gonna be horrified.

Cristina: Mm. Mm. That doesn't sound so bad, minus the.

Jack: Whole dead person's not fronting part.

Cristina: Well, he's not dead.

Jack: And in the case of Jesus, he's already the kind of type of dude who would mess around with these kind of special effects, so.

Cristina: Exactly. So you don't know if it's from him.

Jack: Yeah, so Houdini ness, he likes go out, whatever. Then Poofy's there, and he's like, hey, cool, it worked. You're like, yeah, whatever, dude. It was the end of one of your tricks or whatnot. What? Not sure. Sure, sure.

Cristina: It could be him. Oh, that's interesting.

Jack: Thus making him ultimately the best magician.

Cristina: Can he rob a bank?

Jack: He probably robbed the bank in the time we were doing that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: With his superhuman speed, of course. Okay, but look, we are talking about magic. We got voodoo out of the way. We got black magic. But there is a different type of magic that is also really exaggeratedly strong. And we don't even understand how it works. Saint magic, saints magic. Some saints literally brought people back from the dead with prayer, with it, I guess, with, like, the touch of their hand.

Cristina: Where was their hand touching?

Jack: You know, it was touching. They came in, jumped right back up with a little pip in their stuff. But look, no, it's totally the case. Some of the saints were, in fact, bringing people back from the dead, which brings an interesting point here. In the situation where this is the option that we had to use, we would need to go back in time to go get the guy who can fix the problem that we created by going back in time. So if this was the option we chose in good old time travel fashion, the solution to time travel is time travel.

Cristina: We're stuck in a loop. That's what happens when you use a time machine.

Jack: No, always 100% of the time just.

Cristina: Trapped using the time machine. It's the only solution. No, just be going back and Then coming back and then going back and then coming back.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. We totally were trying to avoid this. And then we didn't use that for years. We didn't touch that machine for years. And then we touched the machine once, and we're right back where it wasn't touched for years. So I see why the previous set of clones stopped.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And we continued the tradition of not.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Until we did.

Cristina: So we did. And now we have to do it again.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because in either direction, we began the problem with time travel. It seems like we could only solve it a lot. Time. With time travel.

Cristina: Oh, no. I was gonna say, are there any saints right now? But we now just wait for them to die before making them saints. Were they saints and a lot like they're alive saints or they weren't actually saints when they're alive.

Jack: They weren't saying something.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But listen to me. Here's what's fascinating about your question. This means that there's people out there who aren't saints who are performing power.

Cristina: Like things right now.

Jack: Go to.

Cristina: I don't know how.

Jack: Yes. Oh, how we're gonna find them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because there are people with powers out there. That part's right.

Cristina: We investigate every church.

Jack: They don't have to be religious. Maybe they're just doing things. There's a bunch of people who'll never become saints because they're doing crooked things with their powers.

Cristina: But those are gonna be hard to find. I feel like it's way easier to just find the people who are more obviously gonna have those people in there that.

Jack: Yeah. The people who want the attention, who want to be saints, are gonna hang out in the places where they're most likely to get that attention.

Cristina: Mm. But I feel like there hasn't been any. I don't know. I don't pay attention.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: It's a problem or anything.

Jack: If we were into the church and things of that nature and heavily paying attention all the time, then we would, like. It would be like, sports would be like, oh, this saint's gonna be drafted or whatever.

Cristina: Well, this pope is gonna be drafted or whatever.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'd be all into it. You know, like, who's team leader this. These next couple of years, or when.

Cristina: I feel like time travel is way easier.

Jack: What? Than finding a saint.

Cristina: Yeah. Someone that's alive right now who's not a saint yet, who's on their way to become a saint.

Jack: But we can always go and get a saint from the past.

Cristina: Exactly. So that's what we should do.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Time travel.

Jack: Time travel seems to always be the solution to solve the problems of time travel.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That is an endless, infinite, always kind of problem. So this is definitely like, a winning possibility. Just go get the guy who literally has the power to bring somebody back from the dead.

Cristina: Yes, yes, yes, yes. It's the only way.

Jack: It's not the only way.

Cristina: It's not. What's the other ways?

Jack: There's probably other ways. We're gonna find that out.

Cristina: You said saints brought people back to life.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Do you know any of their stories?

Jack: There's a couple. I don't know them off the top of my head, but I remember them. Yeah. Oh, I remember. Saints bring. Specifically.

Cristina: I remember.

Jack: I don't know why I was looking this up a long time ago, but I did stumble upon stories of saints and their revival of people. They're bringing people back from the dead. And crazy healing things too. Blindness and whatnot. Exaggerated things.

Cristina: Okay, yeah. But yeah, and Jesus probably brought people back to life.

Jack: Probably. I don't remember. But yeah, sure, why not? He's definitely the type of guy who would do that. Him and his apostles all bringing people back from the dead. So if that's the case, one of them. One of them should be able to bring Jesus back.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Especially if we're like, hey, we're from the future and Jesus needs you.

Cristina: I know who to bring back. Even though he really. He doesn't relate to Jesus at all.

Jack: Who St. Patrick did St. Patrick bring? Why would you bring the one guy to. He's so overpowered. He got Jehovah shaking in his boots.

Cristina: Exactly. Like, he might not have ever revived somebody, but he has the power.

Jack: He's pretty overpowered. Maybe he might be useful against a cat people.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, he can be useful in many ways.

Jack: Yeah. But also, we failed at getting something overpowered like that in the first place. We way under thought that plan. Huge hole.

Cristina: Okay, so it'll somehow be easier to get one of these things. Oh, I guess. If they know who we have. Okay, never mind.

Jack: Yeah, we're like, hey, help Jesus.

Cristina: I mean, why wouldn't St. Patrick help Jesus? That's his Jesus too.

Jack: Yes. Except he's not an apostle.

Cristina: And he must care.

Jack: I mean, I guess you don't have to be an apostle and. No, you're right. He should care. He should care. He hates demons and such.

Cristina: Yeah. So he must love Jesus.

Jack: He must love Jesus. But he's so off the, like, chain. He's so dangerous. He's a wild Card.

Cristina: He's a wild card.

Jack: He is. He does random things. He's a dangerous, dangerous person.

Cristina: Yes, I guess.

Jack: So we get him, okay? We get him and we get Jesus back from the dead. Then how do we control him? We got Jesus back from the dead. Now what?

Cristina: We have Jesus.

Jack: We can't even deal with the freaking cat people. We're going to mess with whatever the h*** St. Patrick is.

Cristina: Okay, then didn't Jesus.

Jack: Yeah, I think definitely dodge overpower.

Cristina: I mean, not Jesus. One of his dudes.

Jack: Yeah, because it's too dangerous. It's too dangerous. Guy who just overpowers Jehovah as a God himself. That's. We're messing with some big potatoes.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, that'd be so cool. Well, okay.

Jack: I mean, the question.

Cristina: Maybe another time, would.

Jack: Would Steve. If we threw Steve at St. Patrick, how would that go?

Cristina: I don't know. St. Patrick would banish him. Like the snakes and the monsters.

Jack: Wouldn't it be an epic battle?

Cristina: No, he'll make him drown. He'll just go back in the water and then Steve would just walk into the water and drown.

Jack: What's up with that? Isn't that what he told all the snakes and stuff? Just leave?

Cristina: I guess. I don't know what he said, but they were so scared of him that they ran into the water and drowned.

Jack: Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, he has some hypnotic ability that makes him real op. Maybe he's not even overpowered. Think how the story goes. He really just told a bunch of crap to leave Ireland and it did, so. And then he went in and told Jesus. I mean, not Jesus. He told Jehovah, hey, let me run the thing. And then Jehovah was like, yeah, cool. He's not actually doing anything other than one really overpowered thing. He has some ability of suggestibility.

Cristina: Oh, crap. He's a magician, too?

Jack: Oh, no, his hypnosis.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: He tells people, hey, do the thing. And they just do the thing. They don't know why.

Cristina: This means these saints aren't reviving people. They're doing magic power.

Jack: Well, they do have powers.

Cristina: Not real power.

Jack: Why? That doesn't mean that he doesn't. Like, St. Patrick doesn't know he's doing it. He thinks he has a power and.

Cristina: Think they have a power.

Jack: But what are they doing that they're bringing people back from the dead?

Cristina: I don't know. They're doing some trick and it's bringing them back. But they might not be dead to begin with. They might just seem dead. They have this trick. It does the job.

Jack: So we go ahead, we find one of these guys, we bring Jesus out of the tank, and this guy does this thing, and Jesus just stays dead. Cause he's actually dead.

Cristina: So we probably might not do that. I don't know.

Jack: But Jesus isn't actually dead. That's why he's in cryostasis.

Cristina: But can their magic. No, he's just. What's happening to him is too advanced to the stuff that they're used to dealing with.

Jack: They're dealing with magic. It's so different. No, if it is magic.

Cristina: If it is magic. Are you risking it?

Jack: He's dying anyways. We're trying to pick what we're gonna do.

Cristina: Exactly. So we should find the best solution. Yeah.

Jack: Now we're going through them.

Cristina: Okay. I'm just saying this one may not be it.

Jack: Oh, why? I think this is definitely a way more likely candidate. This and probably the defibrillator. I feel like electricity is a way to go. That's a strong, strong candidate.

Cristina: I don't know. I feel like we're just going to kill him.

Jack: He's dying either way. The only outcome where he doesn't die is if this works.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He said regardless of not.

Cristina: Mm. Mm.

Jack: So next thing that we could try would be to actually let him die.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because then we go ahead and we buy a Ouija board and we tell him that he needs to go and become a detective. And that that way he can find his body and come back to life.

Cristina: I don't understand.

Jack: We're gonna make him become a spirit detective.

Cristina: What is a spirit detective?

Jack: Spirit detective is a person who is a detective for the spirit world.

Cristina: I don't understand what you're talking about.

Jack: Yeah, there's demons and stuff that get loose from the spirit world, and you gotta catch them and take them back to the spirit world.

Cristina: Is this a cartoon?

Jack: Yes. Based on the Yu Hakusho.

Cristina: Okay. That's okay. You have to be a spirit first.

Jack: Yes. You become a spirit, and then you have to earn your body back. So we put Jesus, who is way into challenges.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we tell him with a. An Ouija board. Yo, become. Go to this spirit precinct and talk to the spirit cop office. The detective. Spirit mode.

Cristina: This sounds very risky.

Jack: And then he's gonna go into the spirit, you know, police station.

Cristina: What if he's not interested in coming back? What if he's cool with the spare world?

Jack: Well, he this. Then it would fail.

Cristina: Regardless of what we're doing. If he wants to die.

Jack: Yeah, if he wants to be dead.

Cristina: Huh? Huh? Huh? Crap. What do we do to stop? What if we put mittens on his hands?

Jack: For what?

Cristina: I don't know. So he won't kill himself.

Jack: Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. This is the. The assumption here is we bring Jesus back to life, he realizes he came to life, and then he just immediately tries to commit suicide because he believes or not he believes. He's like, I should have died.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I want to be dead.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I said all that stuff so they would kill me.

Cristina: He was prepared to die. We took him, took that moment from him. Yeah, he's miserable. What if he's like data? He's like, this isn't real. I just need death.

Jack: Well, plot. Tw. Is the world godless now? Because we stole Jesus and he didn't actually die, and so no sins were.

Cristina: Cleansed, I think because we snatched him. He's in heaven.

Jack: No, we snatched Jesus, who dies for the sins.

Cristina: Oh, he never actually died for the sins.

Jack: He never actually died for the sins.

Cristina: Well, the first time, he never actually died for the sins. I mean, he died for a second, but does that really count?

Jack: Yeah, it was kind of cheating, wasn't it?

Cristina: Yeah, like, he was kind of cheating.

Jack: Died for your sins. And it's like, well, he didn't stay dead for your sins.

Cristina: I couldn't stay dead. It doesn't matter. He could. He slept for our sins.

Jack: I mean, yeah, it's like death to him totally didn't matter. And he totally was a spirit, bro. Which means this could have worked. Maybe he was fading in and out of random moments, and people saw him here and there. But we could have directly communicated with him because he was already trying to communicate from the other side.

Cristina: When was that?

Jack: All the times they saw him after he died. But we then changed history by actually putting him in the thing. So he didn't show up anywhere as a spirit because he never died.

Cristina: But there's still stories like that, so that has nothing to do with anything.

Jack: Well, they think he died.

Cristina: Exactly. So they always thought he died, like it doesn't matter when.

Jack: Those stories so happened. Interesting. But he never actually visited any of them. Fascinating.

Cristina: Time travel.

Jack: Well, we solved that. There's a lot of weird things happening. Like that time that those guys were in the furnace and Jesus popped up. Like, what's that? He was in cryostasis.

Cristina: Was he? That was the story after he was dead, I guess, because I thought he was alive somewhere. I have no idea where that story takes place.

Jack: That's not after he died.

Cristina: I don't know how long the story.

Jack: Goes after his death or before he was born. This is also weird. Stories like that. Yeah, like, hold Jesus and then, like before he's even born, showing up.

Cristina: I have no idea. The timeline is weird.

Jack: Yeah. It's unclear what's happening with Jesus, but, yeah, he can go through those trials and tribulations and become a spirit detective, which is right up his alley. Get vanquish evil or.

Cristina: What does he have to, like, fight and stuff?

Jack: Yeah. And he's a pacifist.

Cristina: Yeah. That doesn't make sense.

Jack: He hangs out with murders. I doubt he's really a pacifist. I'm sure that's just.

Cristina: But he has them fighting for him. He's like the boss, dude. The ash. No, like the mob boss. I don't know. He gets his bodyguards or whoever, apostles.

Jack: To do his dirty bidding.

Cristina: Yeah, they're the ones that murder and kill for him. He doesn't have to get his hands dirty.

Jack: Hey, Peter. Go get him. Go get him, Peter. Yeah, boss. Hey, I get him, boss.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Jesus. I got him. Balls, Bob. Jesus.

Cristina: I doubt they sound like. I don't even know what that's supposed to sound.

Jack: Neither do I. But look, if he did become a spirit detective and then he did reclaim his body. We have his body.

Cristina: How long is this process?

Jack: It could take a while. And then they're gonna give him a little egg and he has to rehatch his soul or something. I don't know. I don't remember exactly the details of it. He has to raise it, and then it's gonna be a real spirit animal. India, in the human world, he's gonna have a spirit animal. If we do this, Jesus gets a spirit buddy, but a pet.

Cristina: He has to be in the animal.

Jack: No.

Cristina: What does that animal have to do with anything?

Jack: If the animal dies, he dies. So we'll always hold that over his head. We'll trap the animal in a cage and we'll tell him that he has to stay with us or kill the animal.

Cristina: That's the dumbest thing ever.

Jack: And because he's Jesus, he doesn't want the animal to die.

Cristina: What?

Jack: It also would kill him. Even if he wants to die, he doesn't. He's still Jesus. So we got him. He's alive against his will because that means that animal dies. Now he must live at all. This is a really good one, actually, Because Jesus told himself on earth, die. So we go ahead and we put him to being a spirit detective, and then he becomes human after he gets his little spirit why would he want.

Cristina: To do any of that?

Jack: And he hatches it, and he has a spirit egg that.

Cristina: What if he doesn't want to do any of that?

Jack: If he doesn't want to do it, we'll figure something else out. But if he did want to do it, we would get him. As soon as he hatches this egg, however many months, years down the line, we trap the animal. We trap it.

Cristina: How would we see it if it's a spirit animal?

Jack: No, we can. It's. It looks physical to us.

Cristina: How do you know?

Jack: I've seen all of this before. And then we catch it.

Cristina: Weren't they dead and they came back to life? So that would mean they would see it. Like.

Jack: Everybody sees it.

Cristina: You're positive?

Jack: Yes. It's like a weird alien creature. But look, now we have it. And they forever. Jesus has to listen to us because now this animal will be hurt. And he doesn't want that. And that is a huge trump card. This is a double whammy. He gets his body back, and we get a way to put a check on him if he does turn out to be overpowered.

Cristina: Unless he doesn't care.

Jack: Unless he doesn't care. But if he did care. Boom.

Cristina: Kabla, kablam, kablam.

Jack: If he does want to do it in order to get his body back, because I doubt he just wants to be dead, then we got him.

Cristina: And if he just wants to be.

Jack: Dead, then we'll figure something else out.

Cristina: That's very tricky. Okay.

Jack: And why would he just want to be dead?

Cristina: Because what if he just wanted to be dead back then?

Jack: If that was the case? But I highly doubt he was just a suicidal emoji.

Cristina: There's so many.

Jack: There are, but I doubt he was one of them.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: He was a ringleader. What kind of ringleaders? A suicidal emo. He's probably some jock douche wad at most.

Cristina: No, he's surrounded by them.

Jack: Probably be so easy to trick into doing this. He's like, bro, you could totally be a cop. Whoa, Goose cop. I'm super on board.

Cristina: Maybe.

Jack: You know, he'll totally be down. He doesn't care. He was down with whoever. That's the most hippie crap ever, dude. He's down for anything. He was like, that guy is a total.

Cristina: He was down to die.

Jack: Yes. But now, because we know he was even down to die. So in this case, we'll be like, hey, you're down to do this? And he'll be like, yeah, whatever. But then his rules are we don't hurt anybody. And that's when the animal comes in. It will be his fault directly if the animal gets hurt, and he doesn't want that. So we forever hold him immortal and with us. And we can hold that bird. And if he tries to do anything with. Against us, we kill the bird anyways. Killing him. Turning Jesus into our weapon. We're gonna turn Jesus into our weapon.

Cristina: Are you sure they give him a bird?

Jack: Yes, it comes from a spirit egg or something.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it hatches into a little blue furball thing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, it looks like Furby. Oh, it's hideous. It's horrible.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But, yeah, it evolves and it's part of who you are.

Cristina: All right. That's an interesting plan.

Jack: It's definitely a way to go. Another way we could go is what you were mentioning a crossroads demon.

Cristina: Yes. Really?

Jack: That is. But again, this is a hard one because it's right up there with, like, using black magic in the case of a crossroads demon. Is he just going to deliver the soul of Christ back to the body of Christ in exchange for my soul 10 years from now?

Cristina: Well, we wouldn't sacrifice our souls when.

Jack: It comes to crossroad demons. Yeah.

Cristina: Why can't we just get someone else to do it and sacrifice their soul?

Jack: Oh, we could do that.

Cristina: You've got workers.

Jack: But, like, yes, 100% and they're down. So we'll just use one of them, one of the subhuman.

Cristina: So what could go wrong?

Jack: Well, the question here is we do this, we get the person, they do it. Would the demon bring the soul of Jesus back to the body of Jesus?

Cristina: Yeah. No. I don't know.

Jack: Why would he. Woody, why would a demon bring the soul of Jesus back to the body of Jesus?

Cristina: Maybe he'll do it for a certain amount of souls. Maybe he has a system like, oh, if you give me 10, it has.

Jack: To be worth the soul of Jesus. That's. That's the. The lopsided way here.

Cristina: Yes. He could have Jesus soul after Jesus dies.

Jack: So we're not even. Fair enough. He's bringing the soul of Jesus back, but temporarily, like, you get to keep the soul of Jesus, too, after he dies. Interesting.

Cristina: Does that work? I mean, that doesn't work for Jesus.

Jack: But he doesn't even know in, like, whatever. He was already apparently in h***.

Cristina: He was in h***.

Jack: That's how the demons got him out. Oh, when he dies after we pull him out of the thing.

Cristina: Oh, wait.

Jack: The problem is, when we take him out of stasis, he dies immediately.

Cristina: Ah. Okay. And that's why the demons.

Jack: We don't know how to undo stasis. We're just trying a bunch of other s***, huh? But it would work, right? His body's fresh.

Cristina: Yes. Okay, so we have to assume that Jesus soul is going to h***.

Jack: Yeah, we have to assume Jesus is going to h*** first for this plan to work.

Cristina: Or this demon would sneak into heaven just to get Jesus. So that's crazy.

Jack: Yeah, fair enough. Even if it's a whole entire espionage mission to us, it feels instant.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In their abstract, outside of time, they could do a whole invasion, get the soul of Jesus from heaven, bring it. But, like, why would they do all that for my measly waxhole? And if they could do that, why haven't they already just done that?

Cristina: Okay, well, because it's in him right now.

Jack: Yeah, fair enough.

Cristina: It has to go somewhere else and then they can get it.

Jack: I don't think that. I don't think they're gonna risk it. I don't think they're gonna do. And they're just gonna keep the soul of Jesus down there? They're not gonna help. It's too valuable.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: It's too risky. What kind of a stupid demon would. Would you leave that guy doing that job if you got the soul of Jesus Christ somehow, and then you come in like, hey, where is it Bob? And Bob's like, well, this other guy was like, hey, I know I'm like a nobody, but I'll give you my soul if you bring Jesus and you can keep Jesus afterwards. And then it's like, well, that. No, I'm a nobody to begin with. So they're just like, why would you do that? For this, like, worthless other soul.

Cristina: That's where that guy get Jesus soul.

Jack: Yeah, but, like, what if Jesus figures out how to undo it? Ah, he's a slippery one, that Jesus.

Cristina: Okay, that's possible.

Jack: He's a slippery one, that Jesus.

Cristina: Last thing you want a good idea.

Jack: It does. It does. Okay, so we don't do the crossroads because it doesn't work out, or demons don't want to help, or it's too hard to get Jesus out of heaven because he didn't actually go to h***. Fine. What if we did alchemy and opened the gate?

Cristina: How would that help?

Jack: Well, then we go ahead and we pull Jesus out of the gate back into his body.

Cristina: Will that be that same Jesus? Wouldn't that be a different Jesus?

Jack: Well, we're gonna look for that same Jesus. We gotta go to the other side.

Cristina: To wherever it would be a Jesus without magic.

Jack: We're gonna bring him back to the place where magic happens. That's the point.

Cristina: And he'd be able to use the magic?

Jack: Yeah, he's from over there. Look, Edward lost his ability to use magic. But if you were to bring him back, he'd use magic. It's because over there is where magic is impossible, okay? It's the location, not the individual. Jesus would still be able to do magic on this side.

Cristina: Except there is no magic here. We are the other side. We just haven't figured out what is really going on. Because there is no magic.

Jack: It's all technology. Yeah, it's always technology.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Including black magic.

Cristina: Yes. So we haven't really figured. It's just a bunch of question marks.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. For real.

Cristina: So, I don't know. That plan doesn't sound bad. But don't we have to sacrifice something in that plan, too?

Jack: No, we'll get a Philosopher's Stone.

Cristina: Don't we have to sacrifice things to get the Philosopher's Stone?

Jack: We'll find an already made Philosopher's Stone.

Cristina: Where?

Jack: Don't know. We could find things. So we're good at finding things. We found a plethora of things.

Cristina: You think we'll find that?

Jack: I mean, we should be able to, shouldn't we?

Cristina: How?

Jack: That's the one thing we wouldn't find of all the things. Come on.

Cristina: Because that's complicated.

Jack: How?

Cristina: Like, isn't that made through many souls or something?

Jack: Right. Why would that mean that there isn't one to track down?

Cristina: Where would he even start?

Jack: I don't know. We found so many things. Where is this doubt coming from?

Cristina: Because this is a thing. And usually we find living things, not objects.

Jack: We will apply the logic we use to find living things to this one object.

Cristina: Because we're not object Hunters, but this.

Jack: Object will allow us to hunt a living thing back to life.

Cristina: It seems tricky, unless you have an idea where we would start looking for it.

Jack: Well, no, the idea would be that we know. We get the gist of how it works. We wouldn't just, hey, we're gonna go right now and find it. This is where it has to be this very moment. Obviously, an investigation would be run. We would figure out where it's most probably at, where we could find one of these. Then we would go retrieve it. I don't know off the top of my head, where it's like, hey, here's a map. This is where it is. I'd have it by now if that Were the case.

Cristina: But, like, do. Are we in a rush? Is Jesus about to die?

Jack: If we know Jesus only dies once we bring him out of the cryostasis.

Cristina: Okay, so he'll just stay there forever? Yeah.

Jack: He's already been there 2,000 years.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He'll wait. He'll be fine.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The moment we take him out, we need to apply one of these things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In order to bring him out.

Cristina: I don't. Okay, that makes sense.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Do something. We don't have to do it quick. Okay.

Jack: No, there's no rush. But definitely pulling a soul from the other side of the gate. One way to go.

Cristina: A very odd way to go. I don't know how that's gonna work.

Jack: Okay, what do you mean?

Cristina: Because that's not from here. That's over there when he dies. The gate. Like, how do we get to the gate?

Jack: We're gonna do alchemy to open it.

Cristina: But we can't do alchemy here. Or at least not the same way.

Jack: We don't know that. We don't know that. We're gonna figure out if we can.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Have you tried alchemy to figure it out?

Cristina: No.

Jack: Then what are you making these assumptions based on? We'll find out.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: We'll find out. Find out. Many options. Now, obviously, the time travel option itself of, you know, use. Use time, go forward or back and solve it somehow. We go forward. Hopefully the technology's there. We go back, we find somebody who can solve the problem. But that might also be bullcrap if it turns out that they were all bullshitting to begin with.

Cristina: Oh, yes, man, that might be a good one.

Jack: Yeah. There is a cheat sheet. We could. By the way, another way the time travel could work out is if we go back in time to the moment we were gonna go back in time and tell ourselves it doesn't work out, or go back in time to where we landed to get Jesus in the first place. And then we tell him not to do it because it's not gonna work out either way. We can cut ourselves off at one point or another and stop this from ever happening.

Cristina: Let's not do that.

Jack: But different thing that we could do is we could just go into a universe that has Jesus not in cryostasis, and then go back in time in that universe and s***** up Jesus and bring that Jesus forward, Thus having two Jesuses, the cryostasis Jesus and the non cryostasis Jesus.

Cristina: We get the non cryostasis Jesus to bring back.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Why do we need two little. What do we Do.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. But Jesus would be like, whoa, dude. And then he would bring himself back from the dead after we un. Cryostasis him and he dies, then he dies. Well, he's gonna die immediately after he's out of cryostasis. We just need somebody to bring him back to life somehow.

Cristina: And then Jesus is gonna do that.

Jack: Jesus will then bring Jesus back to.

Cristina: Life, and then he'll hopefully help us.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Which one?

Jack: Either or. We have two Jesus now. Jesus times two. In this case. Yeah. In this case, we end up with Jesus times two.

Cristina: Okay. That's the best plan I've ever heard.

Jack: This is pretty solid way to take this.

Cristina: That's going into a different world. Not world, universe.

Jack: We have to travel into a different universe to pull this one off.

Cristina: And do we have the technology?

Jack: Hopefully. I mean, we have the technology, and there's that giant rip in your backyard that takes us to universe three.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So, like, we could definitely get there.

Cristina: From what we know about over there, I think Jesus is dead.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: From what we've seen on the Internet and stuff.

Jack: Oh, everything. No, everything is theoretical. That's why nothing is real.

Cristina: Oh. Nothing is. Oh, he may or may not be.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes, yes. He may or may not be dead or may or may not even have even existed, so.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, we could still investigate.

Jack: Yes. But also because nothing is a sure thing. There might just be. No. There might just be no Jesus over there because nothing is real over there. Everything is a lie. Everything is made up. Everything is a conspiracy theory.

Cristina: But he'd also be walking among them without them knowing.

Jack: That's fair.

Cristina: So I don't know how he'd find him, though.

Jack: Well, here's a different one. We could gather all the Dragon Balls. Again, we're good at finding things.

Cristina: You think you'll find Dragon Balls?

Jack: If we're gonna. If any of these other options are gonna work, it's as plausible that we would find the Dragon Balls, get the Dragon Balls together, summon Shenron, and then get Shenron to bring Jesus back. And Shenron has no stake in it, so he will just bring Jesus back.

Cristina: How? How would we even look for the first Dragon Ball?

Jack: We're gonna find people who have already found some Dragon Balls, and then use their methods of fighting the Dragon Balls. It's just a matter of figuring out what clues tell us that somebody has Dragon Balls and then slowly stalking those people.

Cristina: What?

Jack: I got this all planned out. We're gonna figure it out.

Cristina: Okay, so we're gonna be spying on people who may have the Dragon Balls.

Jack: Yes. Anybody who's found more than one is looking for them. They spread out evenly throughout the world. Anybody who has more than one is looking for them.

Cristina: Yes. And they're going to be obvious.

Jack: We're going to figure it out. We have the ability to surveil everyone. Okay, what so we can surveil. We're going to. One of these is going to work. And when we know for sure, we know for sure which of these is the one that's going to be the best.

Cristina: And the Dragon Balls are on Earth.

Jack: The Dragon Balls are on Earth. One set of the Dragon Balls are in Earth. There's a different set that is spread out throughout the galaxy.

Cristina: Okay, and how many balls are there?

Jack: Seven.

Cristina: Seven. Okay, that doesn't sound so bad.

Jack: No. And if somebody has more than one, that means they know how to get some.

Cristina: And why would they want to help us?

Jack: They're not gonna help us. We're just gonna follow them until they get all the Dragon Balls and then we're gonna s***** them.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Like we're Team Rocket.

Jack: Good old Team Rocket plan. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Anyways, so look, this is definitely helpful. We. We have some plans, we have some ways of action to deal with Jesus. We're going to investigate these ways. We'll look into them, see which ones are the most effective, potentially which ones might pan out. Well, potentially.

Cristina: Love it.

Jack: And we're gonna try to bring Jesus Christ back from this cryostasis we put.

Cristina: Him in, hopefully with another Jesus.

Jack: Yeah, that would be great.

Cristina: Or we might have a groundhog fight.

Jack: That would be great too, if we could just throw Steve Adam and they have an epic battle.

Cristina: Two Jesus versus Steve.

Jack: Two Jesus versus Steve. Well, look, this is a topic we have never discussed before, although many of the topics in here have been discussed before, which means that there are episodes that could be found with similar topics in some of these. When it comes to time travel, parallel universe. When it comes to. There's a whole episode, there's several episodes about death, questions about death theory and the afterlife. The afterlife. All of that stuff. So much stuff going on. You guys can find all of that stuff. You can find us on social media as well Twitter and Instagram and on Facebook at just combo pod.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe and review the show.

Jack: Yes. Leave us ratings and let someone who.

Cristina: Might like this show know about it.

Jack: Because word of mouth is the most important breakfast of the morning. You should have several breakfasts in the morning. 12 to 13. Recommended by Most doctors.

Cristina: That's crazy. That's crazy.

Jack: You're supposed to feel full.

Cristina: No, this has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. But yeah, that's f***** up. People started to record and so many fakers were outed because of proof with proof. Actual interactions of imma. Say, I did this if you don't do what I want.

Cristina: Is it a good thing or a bad thing that we're just recording everything? Like, it seems to be helpful, but also we're. We don't like being spied on.

Jack: Look, it saved the guys that were innocent. And it's continuously happening. On the flip side, it looks to the women who are actually being victimized like it's dying again. Yeah, the movement is dissipating and it's entirely the fault of the women who are lying, who are getting caught lying. If you're gonna f****** lie about it, sell it so that the women who are truly innocent and getting raped can get their voice out. But you're so garbage at lying and you don't care about your gender. The f*** at all, definitely that you're just screwing over people actually getting raped because you wanted some money or attention or some bullshit.

Cristina: Probably attention. I don't know.

Jack: Ridiculous. Super ridiculous.

Cristina: Yes. But the camera thing. Weird.

Jack: No, it helped George Floyd's case, I guess. Although we had video before and nothing was happening. It doesn't really. I don't know.

Cristina: When does it change things?

Jack: Change things at George. I don't know.

Cristina: It's random.

Jack: It's random.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

December 10, 2022

Rambling 204: Cryostasis Christmas Present

December 10, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

Is cryostasis possible? Will the technology to properly manage it ever be perfected? Will Santa explain the origin of his “magic?” The duo compose a plan to simultaneously get ahold of Jesus Christ and Santa Clause with one absurdly intricate, highly convoluted, and mostly unnecessary plan.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Cryostasis
The Cryonics Institute
Jesus Christ
Time Machine
Technology of the Future
Santa Clause

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Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we grant humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And I have some green. Some great news. It's the greatest news.

Cristina: How great.

Jack: I think I came up with a way for us to honestly bring Hitler back in an actual ice cube.

Cristina: He would have to already be in an ice cube.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: So how is that possible?

Jack: That time machine we have over there, we're gonna. Right before he blows his own brains out, or they blow his brains out, or somebody kills him, or he dies, or he runs away or whatever the h*** happens following the events of World War II, we quickly s***** him and freeze him and put him, ironically, wherever Captain America was, just because that's funny.

Cristina: But why are we doing this to him from all people?

Jack: So that we can complete your wish of wanting Hitler to show up underneath the Christmas tree.

Cristina: That's not my wish. I want Jesus now.

Jack: You want Jesus now. But look. No, now we gotta do it with Hitler. But the good thing is, it's possible. That's crazy. Actually, now that you say Jesus, I do think that would be way more entertaining and actually cooler. Like, we'd have to go so much further back.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Thus confirming Jesus, kind of essentially destroying all arguments in opposition of him.

Cristina: And if we don't find him, we get Hitler because, like, that's our backup. I guess.

Jack: Yeah, I guess that could happen, too. If we go back and we just like, hey, who's. Where's Jesus? They're like, who's who? Who's Jesus, bro? But the point is that there's totally a way to do it. Yes, there's totally a way to accomplish this. We can actually.

Cristina: Wait, what's the plan?

Jack: So we're going to use a time machine that we tend to ignore because it messes everything up all the time. But this involves Jesus now. We have to do it.

Cristina: But. Okay, and what are we doing?

Jack: We're going back in time, and then we're going to freeze Jesus in an ice cube, and then you're going to go ask Santa for Jesus ice cube, and he'll go find where Jesus is.

Cristina: Why are we going in a.

Jack: What?

Cristina: There's something that doesn't make sense here.

Jack: What, the fact that we just kidnapped Jesus.

Cristina: We have a time machine to get him, but we need Santa?

Jack: Well, no, we have a time machine to go back and put him in.

Cristina: Ice and then what do we need Santa for?

Jack: Well, in the present, you're gonna ask Santa to give you Jesus under your Christmas tree.

Cristina: Why didn't we just take him with us?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: What?

Jack: But cryostasis is possible, I guess. I guess the reason we didn't take him with us is just so that he can be delivered as we suggested previously in an ice block.

Cristina: I feel like we could just take him with us, though.

Jack: Yeah, but you want Santa to give him to you.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: That's the point.

Cristina: Easier to have Salah just unfreeze him.

Jack: Well, we're gonna unfreeze him.

Cristina: What? And also, wouldn't freezing him just kill him in ice? We're just putting him in ice.

Jack: We're putting him in ice? Well, no, if we just put him in ice, horrible things will happen to him.

Cristina: He'll die.

Jack: He'll die. If we just put him in ice, he'll die. And we're not trying to kill Jesus. That's for the Jews to do. We're gonna stop him right before he does get killed, I guess. And then we're gonna put him in a block of ice.

Cristina: But wouldn't I kill him?

Jack: Well, no, because it's gonna be a cryostasis block of ice.

Cristina: What's the difference?

Jack: So one is gonna freeze your blood over, the other one's gonna avoid that happening. So, okay, in other words, the blood in your veins and in your arteries, the cells that make them up are gonna slowly turn into ice and create like little snowflakes, essentially.

Cristina: When you die.

Jack: Yeah, that's when you die, essentially. That's why you can't unfreeze a person, but you can unfreeze somebody from cryostasis. Just freezing somebody will murder them. But cryostasis, the logic would be you.

Cristina: Could undo it, but what's the difference? What are you doing in cryostasis?

Jack: Oh, well, there's some sort of liquid that's highly unstable, and you can pump a gas that stabilizes in there, but it's not actually cold necessarily as much as it is just stabilizing.

Cristina: Does it turn into ice, though, or. It looks like ice or something. I don't know if it actually freezing the person.

Jack: I think it's just fluid.

Cristina: Okay, so they're in water or something.

Jack: Yeah, you don't want the water to turn to ice, essentially.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And the gas stabilizes the liquid so that it doesn't turn to ice. But we can freeze him is the point. Or not freeze him. We can stasis him, put him in cryostasis.

Cristina: Put him to sleep.

Jack: Yes. And then get Santa to go find him, track him.

Cristina: I don't understand why we need to do that.

Jack: So that he can be put under your Christmas tree. Why Santa?

Cristina: Why do we need to.

Jack: Also, this is a way we can get Santa if we needed to catch him.

Cristina: That is an interesting idea. Why would we freeze him? We should just ask Santa to get him.

Jack: Why? If he'd be dead? Because the Jews would kill him.

Cristina: We could ask him to go back in time.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the question is, then we don't have to do anything. Just asking Santa to do anything. He'll just go and do it regardless of what it is.

Cristina: I guess as long as we've been.

Jack: Good, go murder Jesus.

Cristina: Except for that. No. I think you also have to ask for something good. And we're not asking him to murder.

Jack: Oh, we have to ask for something good.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: How is materialism good, Santa?

Cristina: I don't know. It's the top. That's the goodest thing you could ask for stuff. Stuff. He wants stuff.

Jack: Just get stuff.

Cristina: But we could have him bring Jesus from the past. It'll be a two part wish. You asked for him to time travel and I asked for him to come back with Jesus.

Jack: No, we wouldn't have to do that. Because based on the logic you're applying to Santa right now, the fact that he can even go back in time means we could just tell him, hey, I want Jesus from this year brought here right now.

Cristina: Actually, maybe this doesn't make sense. Does he have the power to time travel? I don't think so.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Have you ever heard about a time traveling Santa?

Jack: No, but why would we hear about it?

Cristina: Because we hear about all his other weird stuff.

Jack: Yeah, but if he traveled through time, unless he was going forward and it just looked like he missed for a really long time or traveled backwards and they don't remember anything that happened subsequently. It we like how? How would we know?

Cristina: How do we know? But what if he doesn't have the power though? So I guess we do need a time machine. If he doesn't have time travel as a power.

Jack: But now the question is, does he have time travel as a power?

Cristina: How would we know? I don't know. Because I don't know any stories of Santa traveling through time.

Jack: What are his powers? Essentially he can change his shape and size.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That allows him to travel through chimneys and stuff. He has some sort of aids.

Cristina: He could live forever.

Jack: He might live forever. He might be immortal.

Cristina: He might be immortal.

Jack: He can see and hear Everything. All the time.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Dude, even Jehovah doesn't have that. Dude, that's so nuts.

Cristina: He sees you when you're sleeping. Okay, yeah.

Jack: You could do things Jehovah doesn't see.

Cristina: Like what?

Jack: How the h*** did the snake get the fruit to Adam and Eve? If God saw that, then he intended for them to do that.

Cristina: Yes. So that he could punish them. Because he enjoys punishing.

Jack: He's a sadist.

Cristina: Yes. What are you talking about?

Jack: Yeah, he made a bunch of crap to destroy it all. I mean, I guess that's what a writer does, right?

Cristina: Mm. He enjoys punishing people as much as he enjoys.

Jack: Well, he can enjoy it. It doesn't make any sense.

Cristina: He's not a real God.

Jack: No, because that wouldn't be a real God. That's still a demigod. Getting enjoyment out of anything would still make you a demigod.

Cristina: Yeah, he's a demigod. Yeah.

Jack: Jehovah, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah, for sure.

Cristina: There's no way nothing about that story would make sense.

Jack: Nah, nothing about anything involving Jehovah would make sense.

Cristina: Exactly. No version of God that comes from any religion makes sense. If they're anything like these stories.

Jack: Yeah. They have straight up not care and not have a physical form because that also doesn't matter. Like, even the concept of acknowledging your creations wouldn't make sense because you don't give a f***. You. The concept of you alone makes no sense. And you're fully aware of that. And also you're aware of how it does make sense. Like all of the above.

Cristina: Yes. So, yeah, there's no actual God in any of these stories.

Jack: There's no actual God, the capacity, or there is a God and everybody's God.

Cristina: But none of these stories are telling the story.

Jack: Stories are telling the story of God. You're right. They're all just in the stories from.

Cristina: Random s*** from random demigods.

Jack: Maybe that means we're more God than those gods.

Cristina: How?

Jack: Because in theory, the mind is God. Right. That's what's happening in all those arguments that if it's a pure God, that's everything, then it's also nothing. And it must acknowledge all of that and somehow everything is it. Then the inside of your head is God. You're making everything your God. Yeah, because what would be the difference?

Cristina: What would make you more God than a demigod?

Jack: You made those things. Those things didn't make you the demigods. Yeah, demigods are some creation in the thing, while the real God is the big thing outside of the Thing?

Cristina: Yeah. You're saying we made the demigods?

Jack: Yeah, we made all the demigods. We had to. If. How do. Ah, man, I don't know. It's a very matrix, fourth dimensional point of view going on. But with a time machine, we'll also think more four dimensionally and then we can freeze Jesus.

Cristina: Yes. Okay, so then what are you. Why do we need Santa again?

Jack: Santa Claus is gonna go get Jesus Christ in cryostasis container.

Cristina: Why don't we. I don't understand why, if we're doing it ourselves already, we're kidnapping him, putting him in this machine.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: Why can't we just put the machine in the time machine? The machine that we're keeping him in?

Jack: Because the goal is to get Santa Claus.

Cristina: That's true. Why is he involved in this? I don't know. I feel like it's two different missions that don't relate. Why is this involved? Yeah, like why are you kidnapping.

Jack: I mean, might as well be practical and like make use of it at the same time.

Cristina: There's just like these two things don't seem to relate.

Jack: They're not. We're just knocking two birds out with one stone. We want both Santa Claus and Jesus.

Cristina: What's for?

Jack: I don't know. Experiments.

Cristina: Experiments. Because I know Santa probably can help us reach the other planet that. The planet gods or whatever.

Jack: You think. You think that's the solution?

Cristina: I think he could talk to Snow.

Jack: Think Santa could? I mean, look, he has to, right? That's exactly what like Frosty is. He's just.

Cristina: He's a freaking snow. Exactly.

Jack: He's just. No, he's sentient snow. Did Santa Claus make Frosty?

Cristina: I don't think so.

Jack: Sentient snow? What the h*** is snow?

Cristina: I don't know, but it became sentiments all by itself.

Jack: That's a question, right? Is it by itself? It was probably magic.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: I don't know. There was a lot of magic up in the North Pole during North Pole days.

Cristina: Where's the magic coming from?

Jack: That's an interesting question. You're suggesting that maybe it's not Santa doing it, but maybe Santa's own magic is coming from some other source.

Cristina: Yes, because there's magical creatures like the elves, the elves.

Jack: The question is, are they getting their magic from Santa or is there some third party? Is everything in the North Pole getting its magic from Santa? Is he overpowered to that degree? The elves are getting it from him.

Cristina: Frosty's getting it because there's elves outside of the North Pole. Don't they have magic.

Jack: They're still connected to him somehow.

Cristina: He leads the elves also.

Jack: Is he link? It's like a human who got lost with the elves and then became the boss.

Cristina: Yeah. No. I don't know. No way.

Jack: Because he's not human himself. He can't be.

Cristina: But he is.

Jack: But he has crazy powers.

Cristina: He got that from something.

Jack: He got that from something. Oh s***. He got that from something.

Jack: Santa was just a guy. That was the point.

Cristina: Yeah. You know, the church was giving their saints powers.

Jack: Fascinating.

Cristina: Where did they get it from? They were getting it from Jesus.

Jack: Where did they get it from?

Cristina: Because he opened all those portals to the other side.

Jack: Is that how that went?

Cristina: I think so. I don't remember. Is that how that went? I feel like Jesus made a bunch of portals to. What's the other place called?

Jack: What other place? H***.

Cristina: Upside down. I don't know. The second world.

Jack: Oh, the shadow.

Cristina: The shadow realm.

Jack: Oh crap. That is what happened, right? The sacrifice of Jesus.

Cristina: No, Jesus was making actual portals.

Jack: Why? Because Jesus was the fake. No. Okay, let's review the story.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Somehow an evil deity of some sort showed up from the shadow realm, used fear to manifest. Yeah, that's what kept it round. Eventually the good one came a diff. Or a different one.

Cristina: Different.

Jack: Came and somehow disposed of that problem through X way and took their place. Thus the change of Old Testament. New Testament. Right.

Cristina: I think the other one's still around though.

Jack: They're both still around. Okay, but like when prisoner isolated somewhere. I believe now Jesus was the shadow one, right? I don't remember.

Cristina: I don't remember. But I'm pretty sure the other one's still around because I'm pretty sure Adam and Eve is in Atlantic.

Jack: Yes, that's right.

Cristina: And they're trapped, but in a protected dome. So that that other. The evil dark entity thing doesn't get them interesting.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. This checks out.

Cristina: This checks out.

Jack: It sounds about right so far. So the argument is then that somehow Jesus blood because Jesus was going around opening portals. So then that's the point, right? There was a guy who went around spreading the word.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then that gave people the knowledge and then get into fear and created thing and to come through.

Cristina: Because they were using the portals to set monsters into the world from that so that they can kill the monsters with the Holy Spirit or whatever. But that also helped create fear, which they need because power.

Jack: Yes, yes, you're totally right. The church was doing this.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So in the church. No, because it couldn't be adrenochrome. Right. Then we know that has to be. No, it can't be. It can't be. And I can tell you why it can't be adrenochrome. It's because he doesn't need more of it. He doesn't need Santa Claus. He doesn't need more adrenochrome. All he needs is the fear. And he's over freaking powered. Something they taught him or something they gave him or something. Made it so that he would go from being a man, being a God.

Cristina: The church?

Jack: Yeah, the church had to give St Nicholas something that then made him so overpowered. Unless St Nicholas and Santa Claus aren't the same guy, and then we still dealing with some other s***.

Cristina: I. So is this some random guy pretending to be St. Nick?

Jack: No, St. Nick is one guy and Santa Claus is another.

Cristina: Okay, so Santa Claus. We're just saying that they're the same people.

Jack: We could be. Maybe they are the same person, but they could be not. They could be different people.

Jack: They're probably the same person. I'm just throwing theories out there.

Cristina: Yeah, but where would he get his power? Whether he's the same or not the same? What is the power thing happening? Does that mean he could just be a creature from the other side?

Jack: If he isn't St Nicholas, then yes.

Cristina: How does that make sense?

Jack: Creatures from the other side, you can use fear to manifest.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He could be something like that. Yeah, that makes sense. That checks out.

Cristina: He looks human. Maybe. Then again, no one's seen him. Really. It could be just a creature. It could be a creature, but transform into this man that we see, because that's what they like to do.

Jack: Oh, shapeshift. Well, we know he can shapeshift already.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah, like that's already a fact. He uses that just to get through your chimney.

Cristina: He could come from the other side. Okay, but then what about the magic? Where's all that magic coming from? Does it come from him?

Jack: Well, yeah, that's the problem. If he's from the other side, then he's messing with things that already have magic.

Cristina: I already have magic.

Jack: Yeah. Like fairies and s***.

Cristina: Yeah. And he can communicate with snow, though. That's important.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Where does Frosty come from? He's a snow thing.

Jack: Well, everybody can communicate with Frosty.

Cristina: Yeah, he didn't make him that thing.

Jack: Well, we don't know if he can. If he made him. We don't know if Santa Claus made Frosty. We just know that Frosty can talk to anybody because he just speaks normal Language?

Cristina: Mm. Yes.

Jack: Yeah. So it's he made sentience. No. If he made him, I don't know. But then the question is, is the North Pole something that radiates some certain magic? So everything up there has these abilities and random crap. Not knowing how to use it results in things like Frosty being able to talk and walk and move around.

Cristina: I don't know. There's probably as much weird stuff there as there is everywhere else. It's just. It seems like there's more there because there's not a lot of people there.

Jack: Interesting. Well, then. Okay. So your argument is that there's a radius everywhere.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Of magic.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that a bunch of crazy s*** happens in there, but over there, they're all within the same radius where the magic happens. So it happens to all of them, all time. And in other places there's just people kind of. Maybe one lives on the edge. Maybe nobody lives in it.

Cristina: Yeah, there's things everywhere. Vampire like things, all these different creatures. Werewolves, whatever. Yeah, everywhere. Japan's full of monsters. Ireland's full of monsters.

Jack: Ireland is full of monsters for sure.

Cristina: Exactly. So, yeah, North Polar doesn't have more than anywhere else.

Jack: But your argument would be that the North Pole has monsters and that that's the same thing happening everywhere else in the world. But that would just mean that there is. That they're by magic and not adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes, because, like, it couldn't be adrenochrome because there's nothing up there, up where in North Pole to be getting adrenochrome. Like, if they were getting adrenochrome, where would they be getting it from?

Jack: Well, they're not getting adrenochrome. They're getting fear. Yeah, which is why what they gave St. Nicholas, if that is St. Nicholas.

Cristina: He'S the only one getting fear. Like, what are the elves getting? What are the magic snowman and any other magical creature?

Jack: Well, Santa Claus isn't just getting feared. The fear allows him to have all these abilities.

Cristina: Well, that's all him, though. What about all these other. Unless you're saying they're all coming from him.

Jack: Well, it could be. That's my theory. That if he's getting the power, he's sharing the power.

Cristina: Can they share the power that way? It doesn't feel like they can. Like, it always feels like these things just only an individual thing has the powers and just hoards the power until they go crazy.

Jack: Well, no, maybe it's beneficial. Maybe. You got to think about it. What if he's Granting them immortality in exchange for. You guys gotta be able to make certain things and do things quickly and whatever. Immortality is the guarantee here. You'll never age. You'll be immortal forever. All of you will leave forever. I will allow you to do that. But I need the power to do that.

Cristina: But if they're elves, they should already have that power.

Jack: Immortality.

Cristina: Yeah. I feel like all elves have that power.

Jack: No, they can age very far. Oh, they will die.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Regardless. Regardless. The point is that we can freeze Jesus.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then Santa Claus will go fetch Jesus.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or not freeze him, but cryostasis him.

Cristina: Yes. And then Santa Claus is gonna go back in time to get him.

Jack: No, he's not gonna go back in time. We went back in time and put him in cryostasis, and then time passed with him in cryostasis, and now it's the present, and Santa Claus is gonna go get him and bring him back.

Cristina: Okay. Okay. Because we hid him somewhere where he was at. Because we're not gonna travel with his body to where we're at.

Jack: Yeah. Because the point is to get Santa Claus.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. And then what?

Jack: I don't know. We'll have Santa Claus or we can talk to him. Isn't the goal to get him the. To see one where he gets his power? Like, holy s***. Holy, bro.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What?

Cristina: Also Just learn about everything that's going on in the North Pole. All these questions that we have. Yes, but.

Jack: And get. Maybe. Maybe he's strong enough. Maybe strong enough? He's omniscient. What?

Cristina: Strong enough for what?

Jack: To fight whatever crap the Cat people are on.

Cristina: Okay. But anyway. But what about Jesus?

Jack: What about Jesus?

Cristina: What are we doing with him? With the cryostasis? Okay. Keeps him alive. And then. Well.

Jack: Well, then we will retrieve him from the other side.

Cristina: How?

Jack: Well, there is a. I don't. I don't know the details myself, but there's a place. Cryonics Institute. It's people who freeze people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And they're gonna give us this technology.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And do it from there. They have a website. We could just go online.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And get to the Cryonics Institute website. And on the Cryonics Institute website, they will allow us to subscribe to get frozen. But they got services.

Cristina: No way.

Jack: They got services for days. But they have a. We gotta go from the beginning. We're gonna break this down and break this down.

Cristina: Services, like, different services, like. It's not just freeze and then unfreeze. That's not it. Yes.

Jack: So there's a whole. Whole list of Things. But, but let's go through this real quick. Is the Cryonics Institute and they have cryonics emergencies. If you have cryonics emergencies, like you're.

Cristina: About to die, you're having a heart attack. I don't understand. There's not.

Jack: My grandma just died. Freeze her, please, so we can undo the death.

Cristina: But she's dead.

Jack: I don't know how it works. You're asking too many questions. But for a cryonics emergency, you can call if anybody. If anybody has a cryonics emergency list need to do this. The number is 1-586-791-5961. If you want to be frozen, cryonics is who you got to get in contact with. Now, their tagline, a second chance at life.

Cristina: If you're about to die, it doesn't make sense.

Jack: If you're like life extension with reach most affordable cryonic suspensions, okay, that suggests that there's alternate options.

Cristina: Affordable, like there's more expensive options.

Jack: World's largest provider of whole body cryonics. CI class performed more than no way to go.

Cristina: So are we gonna check out the emergencies?

Jack: No, we're not gonna check out the emergencies. You're gonna look at through some of these services and look at some of these descriptions.

Cristina: All right?

Jack: Life is priceless.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Imagine a world free of disease, death and aging. At the Cryonics Institute, we believe that day. That day is coming. And cryonics is presently our best chance of getting there.

Cristina: Okay, so they don't just want to wake up at any time.

Jack: No, they have.

Cristina: They're waiting for the moment where we're. We didn't. We don't wake up. We solved everything.

Jack: Yes. We stopped dying.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. They think that's gonna be a moment.

Jack: The hope is the rapture happens and then the seven years of like, peace and then some years of h***, and then people disappear and then Earth is inherited by Jesus or some s*** like that. I think they're waiting for the paradise part of that narrative so they could just. Oh, oh, now it's the time that doesn't make sense.

Cristina: But okay.

Jack: Cause science, like our mission is to extend human lifespan by preserving the body using existing cryogenic technologies with the goal of revival by future science. But will it work? But will it work?

Cristina: No.

Jack: Research makes a powerful case for cryonics.

Cristina: The crazy thing is though, like, if there is a moment when we do reach all that stuff that they're hoping for, they won't be able to afford it because that's still going to come With a price. What?

Jack: Getting woken up?

Cristina: No, getting the. The medicine that's going to keep you alive after you've been woken up. The medicine that's going to keep all the diseases away from you, all that crap. Well, there wouldn't be because you don't have insurance. There's no way. They would have to give you something so that you wouldn't get diseases. There's nothing.

Jack: Listen to me. Listen to me. Listen to me. I believe part of the thing is we would have solved everything. To the point that selling it would make no sense. It's too solvable.

Cristina: So solvable.

Jack: It's basic.

Cristina: Why like the flu, it just gets bigger and dangerouser and everything. Like you gotta always have something new to fight it because it's gonna get worse. Like there's no way to truly solve it. You just push it back. So wouldn't it be the same with everything else? You're just gonna push whatever back?

Jack: Well, we don't know if we can actually solve the problem. We're assuming our science is currently primitive and that in the future figure all that out. We'll figure all that out with enough time. Everything has a solution with enough time.

Cristina: Yes. I guess if you think time, if it's infinite.

Jack: It doesn't have to be infinite. It doesn't have to be infinite. Less than a thousand years, you've solved every medical problem ever. Science using technology. Technology has only existed for about a hundred years. Give it a thousand. Where do we land?

Cristina: I guess the only real way to solve all these problems is to become robots though.

Jack: No, we will definitely get far enough in science that we can handle it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: For sure. That is just a fact of time. So long as a meteor doesn't destroy us.

Cristina: Oh crap. Do you see that last one?

Jack: Doesn't matter. Listen. Human cryopreservation.

Cristina: I get that one.

Jack: That's the basic one, right? So cryopreservation is an ambulance to the future. Keeping patients in a state of stasis with the hopes future technology will be able to revive them. Only CI members with funded contracts in place can be preserved. Okay, the next one is standby tools and training. And standby is the process. A process performed immediately following a person's legal death. CI provides instructions and emergency notification tools for members and non member cryo. Cryo what? Cryonicists alike. Member and non member cryonicists. Like cryonicist. A person who cryonatizes people.

Cristina: But wait, so like teaching people how to. We're not a member. We can still figure out how to do this?

Jack: Well, if you're gonna be in cryostasis, you'll be taught how to do cryostasis.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Or maybe. I don't know, I don't get it. Next is professional standby options. CI has arrangements with Suspended Animation Inc. To provide standby services at special rates for our members. These services are provided independent of CI.

Cristina: This sounds so expensive.

Jack: Could be ridiculous. Expensive. DNA and tissue preservation. CI will store tissues and DNA samples for members. We provide a special kit to collect samples and store and collect samples indefinitely at industry standard liquid nitrogen temperatures. This is a one time fee.

Cristina: And how does that help at all?

Jack: If you wanted your genetics to be preserved, to maybe be cloned or be regenerated in the future.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Like your first plan didn't work out. You got this backup plan.

Jack: Yeah, I suppose. And then the one you're very excited for. Pet cryopreservation. Over 170 people have chosen to cryopreserve their beloved pets with CI cryopreservation of dogs, cats and other small to medium sized animals gives your pet a second chance at life.

Cristina: Monsters. What? Why?

Jack: Why? Well, the good thing is that you will be able to live forever if this doesn't go horribly wr.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And it's probably gonna go horribly wrong because why wouldn't it?

Cristina: Probably. But why would your animal care. Why would they want to.

Jack: Who said your animal gives a. People will keep family members at the brink of death forever if it means they get to still have that family member alive.

Cristina: Depressing. That's so sad.

Jack: Reality. But they also have this little nifty video here. Gonna see if. Okay, okay. We just saw the video, first of all.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: $28,000.

Cristina: That's not bad.

Jack: It's not bad. It's not bad. If you wanted to be frozen, you could, like they said, afford this off of your life insurance.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now, the fact that they had to support their claim with so much evidence is the like, the fact that it's not just like, oh, yeah, clearly this will work.

Cristina: Except we don't know if it's gonna, because currently it can't work. Like, yes, they can freeze you, but there's no unfreezing.

Jack: Yes, as of now. But also you're gonna die anyways.

Cristina: You're gonna die anyway.

Jack: And if you're about to die, freeze yourself.

Cristina: But the science that backs it up. That was not science backing it up. Those articles are not scientists specifically writing about the company.

Jack: Yeah, those peer reviewed, probably. About cryogenics.

Cristina: Yes, but not about this specific company.

Jack: Oh, no, I was Writing about the company.

Cristina: Yeah, but they made it sound like these scientists are backing us up. They're writing about us like. No, no, they're not.

Jack: No, you made it sound like that. They're back in cryonics.

Cristina: Isn't that what they're called? Cryonics. That's the company's name, but it's also.

Jack: The name of the process.

Cristina: Crap. That's very. Come on. Come on. That's not right. That's not right at all.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Cryonics is what you're using.

Cristina: Yes, but then you're calling yourself that, and then you're saying scientists are backing us up, but it's not really.

Jack: They didn't say us. They said they're backing Cryonics.

Cristina: But that's their name.

Jack: Yeah, but it's also the name of the process. And those scientists are definitely writing about the process.

Cristina: Yes. It's still not right. I don't know. It's not right.

Jack: It's misleading.

Cristina: It's very misleading to you. What? I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's pretty crazy. But it is possible we could just take one of these courses, the one that's a class, and be taught.

Cristina: That's so crazy, because you don't have to even be a member to take a course to learn how to do it.

Jack: No, you don't have to want to be a frozen. In order to go around freezing random, unsuspecting victims.

Cristina: I guess. I guess that'll help us.

Jack: Yeah. So we're gonna go learn how to do it. Pretty simple. Then we're gonna use our time machine, go back in time, find Jesus and do it to him.

Cristina: Yes, but is watching that video free, or do you also have to pay for that? Because they said members and non members, so that makes it sound like it's free.

Jack: But no, I'm sure you have to pay for the video. Like, members get the video for free. Non members have to buy the video.

Cristina: Oh, so crazy.

Jack: Order to start capturing.

Cristina: They also have, like, a donation button. Like what?

Jack: Everybody needs a donation button.

Cristina: Everything is so expensive. Who has time to donate as well?

Jack: That's already rich people.

Cristina: I guess. Like, I guess if you're doing that, you're not gonna need the money that you have anyway, so why not just give the rest away?

Jack: Yeah. Like, it's already. You've chosen to do something that's essentially a waste of everybody's time. Now the question is, what if works? If it works, we're not responsible for killing Jesus.

Cristina: No, because we didn't. But we have to take him to a time where this works. There's still time travel involved. And we can't take our ship to. I mean, our time machine to take him to the future.

Jack: No, we're not going to take him at all. Jesus is going to wake up in the future from us, but we're gonna get the ice cube from Santa. Simple. We're gonna learn how to create cryostasis chambers. We're gonna go back in time with our time machine to where Jesus was captured. Jesus. Right after he's crucified, but not died yet. We're gonna sneak him, we're gonna put him in a cryostasis chamber, and then we're gonna come back to the present. Then we're gonna get Santa Claus to bring him to you, to your Christmas.

Cristina: Tree, because we need him in the future.

Jack: No, listen to me, okay? In the middle of the night and Santa Claus and bring. We're gonna capture Santa and now we have Jesus.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: We can get Jesus in the present. Then we're going to use our time machine in the present to take Jesus into the future where the technology to undo the cryostasis exists.

Cristina: How, if we can't take him in the machine in the first place, can.

Jack: Take him in the machine. We're just not going to.

Cristina: Just for Santa.

Jack: Just to get Santa. Who's the point?

Cristina: Okay, but then the second time, we're just gonna take him to the future. Okay?

Jack: Yes. So that we can unfreeze him.

Cristina: But don't we need the money to unfreeze him? Because these people are paying for the service.

Jack: I mean, it's gonna be in the future where it's free.

Cristina: Where it's free.

Jack: So it's gonna be easy. It's so easy. Everybody has a defrost in their house.

Cristina: Okay. Why would everyone need one?

Jack: People are being found frozen all the time.

Cristina: Okay. They're just everywhere.

Jack: Yeah, chances are.

Cristina: Okay. This is a great idea.

Jack: Yes. That is the goal at the moment.

Cristina: It makes sense.

Jack: Yeah, it does.

Cristina: But, like, do they have plans? I want to see if they have, like, different plans. Like family plans.

Jack: Oh, no. We have to get different prices from them. They don't put the prices explicitly other than the collective 28,000. You have to have conversations with.

Cristina: Wow, that's lame.

Jack: Perhaps we can call them and find out the prices.

Cristina: Nah, you could do that.

Jack: Have whole conversations with them.

Cristina: Nah.

Jack: The point is that we can take Jesus to the future. We can have the future people who have the technology. Un. Cryostasis. Jesus Christ. Assuming, though. Well, they have we just go far into the future enough for that problem to be solved?

Cristina: Yeah. How far do we go?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Is this gonna be like the time machine?

Jack: I guess we just have to keep jumping and hope for the best, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You have to keep jumping forward and hope this time we land where we're going because we can't jump too forward. Who's gonna even understand us?

Cristina: Yeah, eventually we'll end up in the past somehow. I don't know.

Jack: I mean, I guess. Well, not really. The idea would be society collapses in such a way. I mean, I guess it would be exactly the time machine. We're gonna circle back around to the beginning of a different civilization. In that movie, they just happen to all look human still, or to some degree humanoid. Yeah, but like, really, really, we're not gonna look that way. This can change. We're gonna be some other s*** if enough million years go by.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You know, this is how it goes.

Cristina: It's gonna be human dolphins, but can you imagine?

Jack: But in the future, we just have to make it to where they have the ability to solve the problem. And the first again, they. It has to be free. We have to go so far into the future that now it's free. Because you have to be able to get this procedure done without them, like.

Cristina: Ridiculous amount of bill or whatever.

Jack: Well, no, if you get to live, who gives a s***? Just ignore the bills. But they just simply won't do it if there's no way for you to pay. You have to make it far enough that that's not a concern. They have.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So one, we at least have to go that far into the future.

Cristina: We also need. We also need them to have figured out, like, how to solve every problem.

Jack: Like answer or whatever disease you have. At least whoever you are who's frozen or in cryostasis, wherever you are, your specific problem needs to have been solved at the same time that money has been dealt with and that they actually have the technology too. So the two sciences that need to have happened is whatever your problem is needs to have been solved and they need to figure out how to undo cryostasis. And economically, they need to have figured out how to just erase money from existence.

Cristina: Yes, very important.

Jack: Those three things solved will allow. That's the time period whenever those three things simultaneously exist.

Cristina: That's so far in the future. Yeah, so far.

Jack: Well, we don't know. Maybe it could just happen all tomorrow.

Cristina: They solved it by all becoming robots.

Jack: That's totally a possibility.

Cristina: It's the only way you can't get cancer if you're a machine.

Jack: But maybe we just figure out biology. We definitely are messing around with gene altering technology that might just kill us. Man. That one, that's gonna create super cancer. Second, that's also gonna create zombies. Third, that's gonna create literal monsters that are gonna start to plague earth.

Cristina: We already have the zombies.

Jack: We have the zombies.

Cristina: Yeah. That's why we were hiding in a. Oh, no, wait. We weren't hiding because of the zombies. We just had zombies on our island.

Jack: Yes. Unrelated to when you're hiding, think about what's happening here. Here. We essentially gave a bunch of people adrenochrome and then took it away from them.

Cristina: Is that how we made this? All right.

Jack: That's the only way we could have made those.

Cristina: I don't luckily remember how we made it.

Jack: I'm pretty sure it was the p. No. Crap. I think it was us. I think it was us by that point.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Me and our versions of us. I think those are the ones who did that.

Cristina: Those. Wait, you're saying us?

Jack: Yes, I think it was us. Us who were.

Cristina: Not another version.

Jack: Not a version of us. I think it was us. Us who were on that. So we're capable of astounding cruelty as well.

Cristina: Mm. Well, we didn't make it.

Jack: We. We bought that island or some s***, right?

Cristina: I don't remember.

Jack: No, we bought Dana White.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: A fight island or whatever.

Cristina: I just don't remember where the zombies came from. I just know that people can risk their lives and if they turn into zombies, we got more zombies, so it's fine.

Jack: But if they attraction.

Cristina: If I don't remember.

Jack: No, they don't.

Cristina: Where did the zombies come from? Did we just have one original zombie? Like, I don't.

Jack: Or maybe there was. Maybe there were people already working on zombies and we just confiscated their zombies because that's wrong.

Cristina: Anyways, that could be.

Jack: And we just. They're already there.

Cristina: Yeah. And then we got people to come to the island for the attraction of.

Jack: Zombies, which made zombies.

Cristina: Which made more zombies. But that was fine because it's already attraction.

Jack: And they fill out the contracts to go there anyways.

Cristina: Yes. That's part of being allowed to see the zombies is if you get bitten.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: You're stuck here.

Jack: Go to zombie island and if you get bitten, you're screwed.

Cristina: Yeah. So it works out.

Jack: True business, Woodman. There's a city and there's a game. You get a billion dollars. Right. Survivor. Last person surviving. $1 billion. Hunger Game esque thing. Except the city is closed off and it has zombies.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's it. There's a bunch of zombies and a hundred people are like, okay, we're gonna go into the city. Thousand people, whatever.

Cristina: More. Only one person can survive.

Jack: There's three. There's 3 million people in the city. Maybe not. Maybe there's like, you gotta survive there for 10 years.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But in that 10 year period, you know, all the supplies you'll ever need are in there. And will regularly go back in and hide stuff. So you can just keep navigating and finding crap. But you can't leave. You gotta survive there 10 years. Exaggerated. You can survive there five years and you will get $1 billion, every single one of you who survives.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But you're fighting for the same resources.

Cristina: Because I feel like you'd want to work together if, you know, like a, we can all win this money if we survive. But then again, the whole resource thing is a huge problem.

Jack: Oh, I got you. I got you. I got you. Problem solved. Problem solved. Problem solved. $6 billion divided by however many of you survive.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, once you get closer to the end and there's less resources, there's more reason to kill the people you're with. If you're with someone.

Jack: Yes. As you're getting closer to the end, the longer you. But he also. It makes sense to get a posse of people together so you can acquire as much crap as possible. Then not need to, but then you still know. What if there's a counter? That's all you really need to know. There's a bunch of zombies and there's a counter somewhere above the city or just on every screen.

Cristina: Everywhere.

Jack: You're always walking around and you always know how many people are left, but.

Cristina: Also how much time is left.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Because it's. How many years? 10 years? 5 years? Yes. That's. When it comes to resources. I don't know. It's gonna be fighting.

Jack: Yeah. You're not gonna know. You're gonna get desperate at random moments. I think no time is better. I think just knowing how many people there are and not knowing how much time there is.

Cristina: Okay. Then you won't. You'll have less fighting.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. Because I feel if there is. If you do put a timer.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And you use this timer to know what day you're at. As you get closer, you get more relaxed.

Cristina: I feel like you get more riskier too.

Jack: No, because you're gonna make it.

Cristina: Yeah. But, like, you're less worried about the People around you or the zombies around you. Because, like, oh, I'm gonna be home soon.

Jack: Yeah, everybody becomes a danger because you don't want to share. Yeah, everybody becomes more dangerous with every passing day. So as every day passes, you just get a little farther from people.

Cristina: Yeah, I probably would hide the whole time. I don't know.

Jack: You gotta last five years.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: How you gonna get resources if you're always hiding?

Cristina: If you're hiding somewhere that has a.

Jack: Lot of resources, you gotta get there first. How you gonna get there alone?

Cristina: I don't know. That's true. I don't know. That's sucky.

Jack: Gonna eventually have to rely on people.

Cristina: Yes, whatever. We should do this, though. We got the zombies, we got the island.

Jack: Well, we have to buy a city, close off a city.

Cristina: Why can't we just build a city on the island?

Jack: We could build a city on the island. We got a bunch of lizard people.

Cristina: Exactly. But what about Jesus?

Jack: We're gonna have him unfrozen, and then if he is in fact Jesus, we have solved a lot of problems. We got some overpowered being.

Cristina: Mm. So we should forget about saving the world and move on to this Zombie island movie show?

Jack: Well, no. What movie or show? Why would it become a movie or show?

Cristina: Become a show? Like, we can pay people to watch this.

Jack: Fair enough. This would be quite good entertainment. Yeah, but I suppose the point of this is Santa Claus, right? Yeah, because we want to get Santa Claus and we want to find out if Santa Claus is how. Like one. Truly. How overpowered are you two? Is that overpowered enough to help us stop whatever problem we have with the cam people? Because that's a problem.

Cristina: Yes. Or should we forget about that and go on to this Zombie island show?

Jack: You want to forget about Santa Claus and do this Zombie island show instead?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because it's more interesting.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Unless he's into it.

Jack: All right, fair enough. We can set this experiment in motion. Right. So we're gonna build a city on Zombie Island.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then we're going to keep track of what's happening on the island every week and report back with everybody. Maybe at the beginning of the episode, maybe at the end of the episode.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And we just let them know what's happening with the people on Zombie island that have volunteered to get paid. $6 billion divided amongst the however many people.

Cristina: And yes, maybe with that prophet, we don't have to wait to go to a future where we can't. We could afford unfreezing Jesus or whatever. Like, maybe we could afford the research.

Jack: Yeah, Just fund the research so we can unfreeze them ourselves.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Figuring out if we also have really good scientists. We do, but like, the fact that we would need to go forward in time despite the fact that we exist tells us that's a problem. It's just something about science right now that's making this impossible.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. So we do have to go to the future.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: No matter what.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: All right, let's do that. Let's save Jesus.

Jack: Save Jesus Christ for.

Cristina: I don't know how he's gonna help us again.

Jack: He's not helping us.

Cristina: He's not.

Jack: Santa Claus is helping us.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. For Santa. Jesus. For Santa.

Jack: Jesus is getting. I mean, Santa Claus is getting Jesus. Yeah, we're just getting Jesus.

Cristina: Using Jesus to get to Santa.

Jack: Yeah. And then we're gonna use Santa to solve all our problems.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. And we'll also be able to fit. Not just solve all our problems, but also understand what the h*** he is, where his powers come from, if he's in fact St. Nick or some other thing. And like where the. Did he give the abilities to everything in the North Pole or is there some anomaly happening? Is there thin places or magic bubbles or something going.

Cristina: Yes, probably. I bet that's what's happening.

Jack: Which one?

Cristina: It's just a weird place with weird things happening.

Jack: It could be. I mean, elves that can like generate random crap. A man in red with seemingly all knowledge. Again, how exaggerated is it to know everything? Everything all the time?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And you don't need to know. Ah, so exaggerated. You just know everything all the time. As long as you can remember everything, you know everything that's ever happened since you've had this ability. So you also know the past as far as you've had this ability. And you know the present that you can see at all times simultaneously.

Cristina: Almost like knowing everything.

Jack: It's almost like knowing everything. It's pretty, pretty exaggerated.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If you can see somebody's thoughts as well, you know the moment they know that they're gonna do something. Nobody could ever hit you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Somebody's about to shoot. You also know where to dodge. You're impossible to touch.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You know everything everybody's gonna do the moment they know they're gonna do it.

Cristina: He's got some superpowers. Yeah.

Jack: That's so exaggerated. Jehovah doesn't have this. Jehovah couldn't touch that with a ten foot pole. Some dude ate an apple behind his back and he was like, what? Why'd you do it? Like Whoa, dude. That happened in your own backyard. Literally.

Cristina: You gave it to them, though.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Look at this thing. It's amazing. Don't touch it, man.

Jack: There's a lot wrong with Jehovah, right? But you don't touch the tree. It's the only thing here. Do you?

Cristina: I don't know. Yes. Like, no, it was on purpose.

Jack: You can't just, like, it feels like a setup. It does feel like a setup. It's like when a cop puts a. A really nice car in a really bad neighborhood and leaves the keys inside and then just parks across the street in an unmarked vehicle and just watching. Make it obvious that the keys are in there, leave the window open like somebody had too much faith. And then you see people start walking by.

Cristina: People actually try to steal those cars.

Jack: Yo, these are setups, and they're all over the Internet. Yeah, you can watch. It's great. Oh, watching these videos, it's so beautiful. But it's that setup. It's entrapment. That's hella illegal. Oh, this is, like.

Cristina: It's not illegal for. For God, no.

Jack: Yeah, because he was. But also, that was Jehovah of dark. And also, you know, it's still not illegal, but, like, it is a setup. It feels really set up. Here's a tree. This very one right here. Just this one? Yeah. Don't do anything with this one specifically. Don't touch it. All the other. I don't care about the substance, but.

Cristina: You live right next to it. You'll see it every day for your whole entire life.

Jack: This tree. That's the center of this place, is the one tree you can't touch. No, don't worry about it. Everything else is fine. Nothing's off limits in here except this one tree. Don't you. Don't you touch this tree. I'm not gonna tell you what it does, but you don't touch it. You don't look at it. You don't so much as sn. You don't inhale air. This tree is around. Anyways, I gotta go. I'm gonna be over there with my.

Cristina: Back turned to you, even though I see and hear.

Jack: Yeah, I can see and hear everything that's happening. I'll be over there looking at that other tree. That's super insignificant, bro.

Cristina: I don't understand, like, because they understood him or they didn't understand, like, did he not explain himself of, like, what he was, man? Did they not know?

Jack: I never thought about that. That's a huge problem. That's a huge problem. They had no understanding. They had no sin.

Cristina: No understanding of anything. They had noise. Just told them, hey, don't do that.

Jack: No, look, they had no sin yet. Yeah, they had no sin yet. They hadn't sinned. So they're pure. They're as pure as God literally intended them to be before the interference of Lucifer, they were as pure as God intended them to be. They had no ability to make malice and only had the ability to make the right choice because no sin had come into existence. So why did they disobey what they didn't know, though?

Cristina: He didn't tell them anything. He didn't tell them what he was. Don't.

Jack: No, no, no, listen. He said don't eat the fruit.

Cristina: That's all they knew?

Jack: Yes. Why did they have the ability to eat the fruit if they wouldn't have disobeyed? They already knew. He explained he was God. And for whatever reason, you just listened to me and they're like, okay.

Cristina: But they still disobeyed.

Jack: But they still disobeyed. Meaning God's most perfect creation in its most perfect state was flawed.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, I guess because it didn't take much, he could not. It wasn't even peer pressure or anything. It was like, hey, go, go eat that.

Jack: Okay. The answer to the question is he can't make the rock.

Cristina: Can't make the rock.

Jack: Can God make a rock big enough he himself couldn't push? Well, he couldn't make the rock to begin with, and even if he could, he couldn't have the strength to push it. But no, he can't make the rock. And if somebody else made it, he couldn't push it because he's not all powerful. That's what happened. He couldn't make perfection. Jehovah within the Bible itself in its first important moment other than the actual creation. But it's for. God's first react. Interaction was with the creating of an already flawed being. Actually, the same argument stands.

Cristina: Yeah, that they were flawed and he had that apple thing piece. He knew he needed them to feel like, oh, they are the reasons they're flawed.

Jack: Well. Well, no, because there's also the. The one before that. Because God also made Lucifer.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Lucifer was flawed?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: God's never made something perfect. No, the lie is that he tells you it's perfect, but it always goes wrong. Entropy affects everything that God touches. It's all just 3D s***. It's. God is constrained by. D***, he's probably dead, bro. God's trapped by the same laws of physics.

Cristina: Yeah, he is.

Jack: He really Is entropy still affects everything that Jehovah does. That's crazy, because Adam and Eve were not pure. Neither was Lucifer. Even if the. Even if for infinite number of years he was following orders and doing it right, eventually he wasn't. It was not perfect. It just took an infinity to happen. But it happened.

Cristina: But it happened.

Jack: But it happened. Jehovah has never created anything perfect. There's no proof of it.

Cristina: No, I guess not.

Jack: Not even within the Bible. The only argued perfection was Adam and Eve before the apple. But why don't we ever consider that the angels should have been perfect. They should have all been perfect. Except some of them just were. Just like what? Did they also not know what the h*** God was?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Why would they just be like, nah, we could take him, bro. The fact that they thought that is something crazy. If he's all powerful and you know it's. Then no way you're f****** with.

Cristina: They know him. Like they know. No, in a way we don't know.

Jack: And they're still like, no. We could probably win the war.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: D***. There's something not right there.

Cristina: Yeah, it doesn't make sense.

Jack: Interesting. Crazy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Somehow Jesus is gonna be useful if he turns out to not be a guy. If he's not a guy. Well no, he's not a guy. We know that. Crap. He's useless again. He's just. He's just a vampire. And so were the apostles. Those are just the first people he bit after he drank a bunch of blood. D*** place.

Cristina: We'll still have Santa. That's important, right?

Jack: Yeah. And there's a lot of power there. Which is another kind of God.

Cristina: Yeah, he's the real guy.

Jack: He's a real God. Yeah, he is. Jehovah's two small potatoes, bro.

Cristina: Yeah, he's.

Jack: He can't even make even Santa's freaking plan to get fears perfect. All knowing really is overpowered. Yeah, he just has some in place. That works, bro. And it just keeps working.

Cristina: Yeah, he. He won. I don't know.

Jack: Literally Jehovah couldn't figure it out. You cannot. You have to just be a demigod, bro. I mean, some random dude Saint Nick just passed you. If it's ain't there, which you're gonna find out anyways. Anyways. Anyways. Too much crap. All at the same time.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We're running out of time here. Yep. So basically the conclusion is this plan could work. The whole point of this episode was for me to tell you to explain to you that yes, your dream come true. Of having. But it won't be in a nice block. So I guess it's not your dream come true, but it's some variance of this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then we'll catch Santa because we'll just make it happen. Or at least get to interact with him. Your dream, my dream, or not even a dream. It's a wish really. But it allows us to get Santa.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We don't have to capture him. We just need to find him, which is hard to do. And we'll talk to him. And in talking, the him will find out all the secrets. And we'll also have Jesus because he'll bring them to us. Even if we'll find Jesus, which will also answer a bunch of questions.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah. The hardest part is also the most irrelevant one, which is getting Jesus out of the cryostasis in the first place, which just involves a whole bunch of traveling to the future, finding the right intersection of events.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then getting it done. And then coming back in time with Jesus out of the cryostasis. So we have potential. Just guy or potential. Some form of a deity.

Cristina: We should probably tie him up or something.

Jack: I know. Because the possibilities that he's just a bad guy are really high.

Cristina: Yeah. If he's just a vampire, it's not going to be safe.

Jack: Waking him up probably definitely a vampire.

Cristina: And like putting him to sleep. Because we gotta put him to sleep first.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That's step number one. We gotta find him alive.

Jack: Well, we. We know.

Cristina: Well, he'll be weak if we get him. At the moment he's being on the cross, he's gonna be super weak there.

Jack: This whole plan is really stupid.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because he's probably just in a hole somewhere. Because he already can't die at this moment. Because he's immortal. Because he had adrenochrome.

Cristina: Well, we're not going after that Jesus. That's in our present. We're going to get the one that's in the past that we know is weak, that we can catch.

Jack: The one now is probably weak because he was a vampire then.

Cristina: He still wouldn't he still be a vampire.

Jack: Yeah, but he was a vampire then. When he was closer to the last time he had adrenochrome than now when they threw him in a hole somewhere. And that's why we haven't heard of him.

Cristina: But he's way more vicious now. He's been in the hole this whole time.

Jack: Yeah, but way weaker.

Cristina: Craving blood.

Jack: He's a zombie.

Cristina: Yes. Zombies are not good.

Jack: He's a single zombie. We can definitely tank a single zombie.

Cristina: Okay, but then how are we gonna get Santa involved?

Jack: Well, now we just have to totally wish for him to just bring a zombie Jesus. That's actually way easier.

Cristina: Dangerous. Okay, I guess if we put zombie Jesus in our island of zombies, we.

Jack: Could have zombie Jesus in our island.

Cristina: But like, how is that gonna help be helpful if he's a zombie?

Jack: I don't know. Look, you can find more information on stuff at our socials, usconvopod, everywhere, Twitter, Instagram and. And TikTok and stuff.

Cristina: Facebook.

Jack: Facebook.

Cristina: Yes, you can remember to subscribe, rain review the show.

Jack: Send us emojis and stars.

Cristina: And stars. And the people who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth talk. Scream at them, yell at all the people, tell them. And then you're gonna be like, oh yeah, that show.

Cristina: And then lick them.

Jack: That's how it works.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal. Thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: That's society for you. That's exactly how the it works though. And nothing's gonna happen to these guys. Nothing. Me too. Movement goes. Came up. Too many liars hopped on board. Movement died the f*** down. There was a great movement there. At some point. Guys were getting outed, but some people needed f****** attention. Jumped on and dissolved it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The amount of liars overcame the amount of truth tellers to the point that the people who were lying were lying about people who already wised up to the fact that this movement was rising and saved proof. Holy f***. How long and how many of you were just bullshitting that you told people to just start recording your interactions just in case You're a sleazy weasel.

Cristina: If Kevin Spacey is alright, is he still alive?

Jack: Probably.

Cristina: I hope so. Good morning. Good morning, whoever Debate. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

June 18, 2022

Rambling 180: Original Hosts

June 18, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

Before the clones took over the show, why were the original hosts so valuable to the Illuminati? Does the portal in Cristy’s backyard have something to do with their disappearance or early demise? The duo investigates the original two hosts they were cloned from and questions why the events of the show have turned out as they have, ultimately landing them at a conclusion they’d never expected!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Time Travel
Illuminati Clones
Conspiracy Theories
Original Show Hosts
-Nazi Germany
Prodigy 16 Year Old
Genetic Manipulation

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: This is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. Like that subtle shift of this introduction.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Whoa. Did we. I said that last episode, right? I wanted this changed.

Cristina: You did?

Jack: I think so.

Cristina: It's weird without childish ways or whatever.

Jack: And now we're grown ups. Now we're adults.

Cristina: When do we grow up? We started six years old now.

Jack: What? Yeah.

Cristina: We're clones or something, right? We're less than six.

Jack: Well, yeah. We're less than six because of two things.

Cristina: Because.

Jack: We were cloned somewhere in, like, season three or late two. So we would at least be, like a year and a half younger than the show.

Cristina: Whoa. Yeah, we're really young. So how old do you think how.

Jack: Old we would be? Like four and a half.

Cristina: Oh, wow.

Jack: Yep. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy, right?

Cristina: That is crazy. Except for you're not the same person that was a ghost robot.

Jack: I. Look.

Cristina: How old do you think that person was?

Jack: He was 64 years.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: As a old man and then 64 years as a ghost. No, it was. What? It was some s*** like that, right? It was 64 years. We've had this conversation before. Trying to recall this old man. That was me, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I'm cloned from some weird mythical. Isn't that weird? I'm cloned from some weird mythical creature that, for whatever reason, we haven't gone to hunt yet.

Cristina: We should. Because he knows something about the future that we're trying to solve at the moment.

Jack: Is that the same one that does know about the future?

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: There's too many.

Cristina: I think he's the same dude.

Jack: Word. Because I get that time travel has a lot of problems.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But, like, when you really think about it, if you're not keeping active track of clones, then you can never really know which one's the real one and which, like, who did what at any given moment. Because everything about them is identical.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They're as identical as two people can be. More identical than twins. They're literally the same person.

Cristina: Yes, but you wouldn't. I mean, you, though, would know. Maybe if you don't have those memories, you know, at least that wasn't you.

Jack: No, you. Yeah. You would know. I guess. I suppose. But, like, if I am telling you the investigator. No, I remember. I wasn't there. But then he's also saying the same thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Who you gonna believe?

Cristina: I don't know. Yeah. If it has to be one of you guys.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Lie detector. Then again, it could be a third clone, I guess. I don't know.

Jack: Interesting. No lie detector breaks that.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah, if it works the way we're told it works. A lie detector should in theory just be able to prove it. Okay, like f*** your everything is the same. One of you is lying. Like factually on paper.

Cristina: It's not you. As far as we know, you're not the person time traveling.

Jack: But I'm cloned from that guy. Yes, but some. How the f*** did they make me different? How does cloning work in our f****** universe? You know, because why am I not also just him? Why am I me?

Cristina: How? You're not very different from him. Do you mean like younger?

Jack: No, like why am I not over here time traveling and like changing the world too?

Cristina: Well, you're not there yet, maybe.

Jack: No, I'm cloned from that guy. He didn't show up from the future? No, he was just.

Cristina: He was just doing it.

Jack: I literally have those memories type of s***.

Cristina: You have those memories like.

Jack: Of course I would. I was cloned after that.

Cristina: Oh, okay. But then how do you know that's not you?

Jack: Well, somehow, provably, I'm a clone of that guy, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then at that point still, why am I not behaving like him? Because I'm still. I still have those emotions and thoughts, right? What's the difference?

Cristina: What if he figured something out? Something after I was cloned from him? No. I guess. Then you should know. Then you should know what happened. Why he was doing all those things.

Jack: I should. Right? That's a huge plot hole.

Cristina: That's huge plot hole. Because at one moment he was trying to give everyone hiv and the other he's trying to.

Jack: No, he wasn't in. Oh yeah, he was.

Cristina: Those are two different versions of him. But he is the same dude.

Jack: And it wasn't hiv, it was AIDS candy.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: In a van with the sign AIDS candy written on the side. And he was. This is in the 80s and he was giving. He was only in predominantly black neighborhoods.

Cristina: Isn't this. That's the 80s. But also his explanation of 9, 11.

Jack: Really? I feel I sort of remember that. What do you mean?

Cristina: Yes, because I remember I wasn't there because I wasn't alive or the real me wasn't alive because she was like 11 or 12.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you were 16.

Cristina: Oh, 16.

Jack: So none of this had happened so far. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You have no memory of something that you weren't alive for. So you've never heard of 9 11, which I had to tell you about.

Cristina: Yes. That version of you was telling me about. I think it was that version of you, I guess.

Jack: Was I cloned from directly from that guy or from the dude who followed him?

Cristina: Oh, yes. Here. Yes. I don't know.

Jack: Or are we all cloned from the same one guy? Because they have the DNA. It's not like we're a clone of a clone.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Except there is a clone of a clone out there and he's the slow one.

Cristina: Yes, He's a slow one.

Jack: He's the one with the one arm, right?

Cristina: Yes. He's an old white dude with a robot arm or something.

Jack: Like one eye and one eye. Yep. Dude. Okay. When we did see this billboard with that guy on it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: You know, he's a model now. Good. He's not killing. He's gonna kill you. He really believed he killed you.

Jack: He really had an eye patch?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And a robot arm?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What was he doing? What? Like, let's. Let's.

Cristina: What was he doing?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: He was probably born like that. He was just born. Defected.

Jack: Whoa.

Cristina: Yeah. He killed germs thinking it was you. And then he became a model. That makes sense, man.

Jack: That was an astounding moment of like. Whoa. We really. We caught you, dude.

Cristina: We caught him. Yep.

Jack: But he's easy to catch because he's super slow.

Cristina: And also he's got one arm and one eye.

Jack: One arm and one eye? Yeah. He's not like, real useful anything.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Whoa.

Cristina: That's crazy. He's a model.

Jack: I mean, disabled people need models, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's real. That's fair. Disabled people do need models. You got a. What is it? Everybody wants to see themselves represented in something, I guess.

Cristina: But why is he so old?

Jack: What? Old people can't get support?

Cristina: No. Like, how is this clone version of you old? But you're young. I know. The original was old. And all the ones that came after him were younger. Except for the one that was disabled. The clone of clone was old again. Or is that part of it going wrong? Because he's a clone of clone. He was the same age, probably of the guy. The original you.

Jack: Well, no, here's a real interesting question. This is truly. Because. Okay, so we're patching plot holes right now.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's a real good question as to. But it was never established that I was young. I suppose.

Cristina: I guess you could still Be old.

Jack: Except no, because our images have me being all young, so I'm visibly. There's at least suggestion that I'm young.

Cristina: Well, you could also be doing what all the Internet people do. Have a fake representation of yourself. Nah, nah, nah. That's you.

Jack: But the question is, how'd that happen?

Cristina: How that happened?

Jack: How do we patch that hole?

Cristina: I think him being the broken one is a good reason.

Jack: No, not why. Not him. Why am I young?

Cristina: Because they want younger versions of us.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Would they want older version of you? Our bosses?

Jack: So that's also to say that I've been with the Illuminati straight through. Having been whatever I was.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then a ghost. Then a ghost robot. I'm just some wonder. Or that original guy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So you'd been working with the Illuminati for a long time. Trusted. That's why we're high ranking. You know, we've been involved.

Cristina: We didn't earn this. Our other version.

Jack: But you're actually 16.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: You're just cloned out of a 16 year old.

Cristina: So.

Jack: Yes, well, we got to figure that out. But guess I guess his background, right? We're finding out like some origin story.

Cristina: Yes, yes, but.

Jack: So I'm cloned from a clone. Not cloned from a clone, but I'm cloned from a guy with two other clones. One from a different timeline. And we come from that first clone. No, because we're all clone. No, we might be cloned from the same one clone.

Cristina: No, no.

Jack: It's just stored DNA. Right. All the clones. Okay, back to point A. I'm cloned from a guy with three other clones.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Four clones total. Plus the guy. The guy himself has been an Illuminati.

Cristina: Employee for many, many, many, many years.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Could be hundreds of afterlife.

Jack: Yeah, it could be. Well known. Yeah, for sure. But together, all of it is over a hundred years. Could be several hundred years. Who knows? So he's ranking and then he. He turns on them. Yes, but he doesn't get killed. The first clone does.

Cristina: He doesn't get killed.

Jack: Or he did. It was. It was just in the middle of an episode.

Cristina: Yeah, it was the middle episode. It was just a random episode.

Jack: Yeah, they straight up, just like people walked in, popped them and.

Cristina: How do you even pop a ghost.

Jack: At the power of the Illuminati.

Cristina: Maybe they just don't trust technology anymore. They're like, nah, Interesting. We got something better.

Jack: Then the clone is. Who's using a time machine. The first clone.

Jack: Right. Patching those holes. You see I guess. Hella plot holes. S*** we've never thought about it could be.

Cristina: Okay, so there's a clone that was using the time machine to save the world.

Jack: Allegedly.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's the same one that dropped nukes on the cockroach people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So like.

Cristina: Well, he thought the cockroach people were a danger to us too.

Jack: Basically. You're telling me he's the brotherhood from Fallout?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He's like, I'm gonna save the world by killing everything that's not human. Even if it's sentient and not harmful. Just if it's not human. Killing it.

Cristina: But that wasn't you. Because you married the cockroach wife. You have the cockroach wife. That's you. You.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Unless you and these clones are all alive. I mean, you are all alive.

Jack: Some of us, I think. There's only one dead, Apparently. We're really hard to kill.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which then brings up the other question of if this creature that was me originally happened to be whatever he was. And then a ghost and then robot ghost.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: How did they just off him? Is he just still around and simply not hosting the show? And we never. We were never told he was dead. It was just in the middle of an episode. We were just there. Now we're finishing the conversation.

Cristina: Maybe he's in retirement. I guess that's a possibility. They just needed to.

Jack: Or he dipped.

Cristina: He dipped?

Jack: Yeah. He just left. They're chasing him. They're hunting him. What if. What if we can put a request and our job is to hunt that thing.

Cristina: You.

Jack: Me?

Cristina: Why?

Jack: The original me? To find out what the this origin story is.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Oh.

Cristina: What you really are or what he really is?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Because you're still human. I'm still human? Well, you're not human, but.

Jack: Yeah, like I am human.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I'm just a clone of a human. But that doesn't stop me from being human.

Cristina: But if he's not human, then what.

Jack: Does that mean Exactly. If he's not human. What's going on? But okay. High ranking cloned. Yeah, sure.

Cristina: That's the 16 year old girl. Psychic sidekick.

Jack: Yes. Now how the h*** did this happen? So some 16 year old girl who somehow isn't just an employee in the Illuminati, but a particularly high ranking employee in the milane. In the Illuminati?

Cristina: Yes. They don't have a problem with working with children.

Jack: Right. But what did your original person, I guess you were the prodigy of this.

Cristina: Whatever, find out that he's her father? Oh my God.

Jack: That's Crazy, Right? Because it's basically. He was training the little girl. Right. Because little girl, you.

Cristina: Yes, he was educating me.

Jack: Yeah. Thus you were also talking s*** at the time that you were both off.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or you both dipped.

Cristina: Yes. Oh my gosh.

Jack: They could still be out there. Bonnie. Bonnie and Clyding. S***.

Cristina: Okay, well, I hope they don't have a romantic relationship because that's very disturbing.

Jack: Yes. What is it? A 200 year old thing?

Cristina: Thing.

Jack: And a 16 year old human.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. It's Twilight. Except without the vampires.

Jack: Whoa. It is Twilight. Because Twilight was high school.

Cristina: Yeah, but he's like, how old?

Jack: And she was like not even a senior. Right?

Cristina: Yeah. So, yeah, she was like 16, maybe.

Jack: Whoa, dude.

Cristina: Stern.

Jack: Oh, s***. I guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's extra romantic. According to teenage, like tweens. Yeah, according to tweens. That's very romantic.

Cristina: Very.

Jack: But it's because all tweens are like emo girls.

Cristina: Emo girls. That means they're into very old men pretending to be young. I don't know. I don't know, sister.

Jack: I bet. That's the thing. I bet somewhere there's a girl who's.

Cristina: Like 15 dating a 30 year old.

Jack: Dating like a. Like a 50 year old, but he's gothed out and she's like, he's so cool.

Cristina: Actually, I think I have.

Jack: Cool. He is.

Cristina: There has been a show, one of those True Life episodes. Or there. You know, they're the random episodes about random things. I don't know if you remember that show. Is it mtv?

Jack: Yeah. Like My Strange Addiction or something.

Cristina: Yes, yes. Well, in my True Life, there was one episode of young people dating older people and there was a girl who was dating older men, and those older men just happened to be very thin, white, goth men. She had a type.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, no, that. I swear, that's. That fits. It feels right.

Cristina: It feels like maybe 18. So it wasn't like that inappropriate. But of course her parents were disapproval of it because she's still living with them and they're like 30 or 40 year old. The guys she's into.

Jack: Yeah. So she. She's into that Dracula feel.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Of like. Oh, he's this older hypnotic vampire guy.

Cristina: Yeah. And he's just some, I don't know, hobo guy who plays video games all day and has a rock band. He's part of a rock band. He has to be.

Jack: Yeah, I guess so.

Cristina: That's the most important part. If he's not in a rock band, what's the point?

Jack: Wait so what the f*** is. So what is the lesson that this dude was teaching you? Right.

Cristina: Oh, yes. I don't know.

Jack: He was mentoring. Maybe he was showing you the ropes.

Cristina: Then what would be the point of running away if.

Jack: No, because they're both talking s***. They're gonna be kick killed or whatever. Maybe that's why we're told they're killed. They're not.

Jack: Maybe that's above our pay grade.

Cristina: Yeah. So maybe they're still part of the Illuminati.

Jack: Like, they went into super Illuminati, like, super duper secret world.

Cristina: We know there's a world outside our world that we can't talk about.

Jack: Oh, you think they went to the other side?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Of the wall?

Cristina: Yes. And we can't talk about that.

Jack: So why can't we talk about that?

Cristina: I thought you said we couldn't.

Jack: Oh, we can't say anything about what? Well, yeah.

Cristina: Didn't you say that? I feel like you said that in that episode we couldn't talk about it. Or did you say we just. I don't remember what you said. I feel like you said we couldn't.

Jack: What, like, ever mention it? No. We had a whole episode about the penguins.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh. I guess we couldn't talk about it as a topic because that's not. That's not really.

Jack: Oh, yeah.

Cristina: Our thing.

Jack: Yeah. We're not allowed. We're not really allowed.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, the people here should know about the stuff here that's happening.

Jack: Yeah. That's what's important. What's happening in this side of things. Anything outside is really not of our business.

Cristina: Exactly. So if they're over there, we can't really say. Even if we found out, could we find out? If we did find out, we could still mention that, right?

Jack: I guess. So if they go up the ranks and are in some super duper secret Illuminati thing, cool. But if they didn't, where was the vat? Why was it more valuable to try to catch them or kill them or whatever made them run away or whatever, if they did get killed? So. Okay, what, What, What's. Why. Why is it way more valuable than just scolding them for talking s***, I.

Cristina: Don'T know, and then cloning them? Because, like, wouldn't you fear that they do the same thing?

Jack: Interesting. But they can mess with genes, try to f*** with how we'll turn out to some degree.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Which could then explain why I'm not exactly that same person.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They made sure.

Cristina: Yes. They made sure you weren't. But why is that important?

Jack: But why is that important? Yes, but also the same for you.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So. Okay. Okay, we're getting somewhere. We're doing just as we said. We're grounding humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. That's what we do.

Cristina: This is pretty baffling.

Jack: It's pretty baffling and pretty absurd.

Cristina: Very absurd.

Jack: It's mainly just ideas.

Cristina: Yeah. So. But I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. 16 year old girl, nearly 200 year old ghost robot N***. He was a N*** for 64 years.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yes. He was in N*** Germany when. Yeah, no, I remember that. He was in N*** Germany for 64 years, then went to America, something happened and he died. And he was a ghost for 64 years. And then got.

Cristina: Then was the drugs in New York or whatever that was.

Jack: As a ghost.

Cristina: As a ghost. Oh my gosh. So weird. A ghost technology to turn him into a robot.

Jack: Yeah. To the maybe the robot tech is ghost tech too. But it's still robot tech. So I could just throw some, slap some skin on there and I look human. So he was looking like a normal person.

Cristina: That is weird.

Jack: Even if he was a ghost. But he was also a robot. You could do a lot with a robot.

Cristina: Yeah. I'm guessing the girl didn't know him as a ghost. Right. Because he would have been a ghost robot by the time she met him, I think.

Jack: Yes. She only knows the robot. Okay, so there was a robot here. Interesting. Unless they brought him back. How did they. How did they get the DNA? Unless they got the DNA. Oh s***. That's why I don't have any of those memories.

Cristina: The ghost robot memories.

Jack: Ghost robot memories.

Cristina: But you have the memories of being a N*** Germany?

Jack: No, I just remembered that that was part of the narrative.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: But the reason is because I'm a clone of from whenever he was the age that I am. That's when they took the sample they used to clone the new clones. His prime. I'm an ex. I look the way he did when he was most valuable.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So what should I be able to do that is now a danger that he's mastered it and the girl that you're cloned from mastered it quickly.

Cristina: I don't understand. You're saying they had like special powers or something?

Jack: Power, information, Something became a danger. That is reason that they were being praised for in the first place.

Cristina: Wish we knew. Because I don't remember.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Shouldn't we have these memories? I feel like I have a lot of memories, but I don't have every Memory?

Jack: No. Because. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? We should have memories of before.

Cristina: We have some, but we don't have them all.

Jack: Like which ones?

Cristina: I don't know. Like being raised as a child.

Jack: Fair. Interesting.

Cristina: I don't remember any of the Illuminati work. Besides the podcast.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. Besides a podcast and all the missions following it.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess. Okay. Maybe I do have all my memories. Do I? I don't know. It's hard to tell. How do you know?

Jack: I don't remember.

Cristina: You don't remember being in N*** Germany? No, that was the thing. You were there for 60, whatever, years.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: But you don't have those memories, so.

Jack: Maybe they worked on our memories. Right, because they can work on our genes. They could do whatever they want.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: And take away the things that made us who they didn't. Like when they cloned us.

Cristina: Something feels wrong about it. I don't think they got rid of us. Because I do remember that before my other version disappeared, I was living with that version of me.

Jack: Oh, interesting.

Cristina: Like, why would they be okay with that?

Jack: Right? Because you weren't cloned afterwards.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Oh, s***. Neither was I. I was working in the facility.

Cristina: What? Oh, yes. But you weren't living with you?

Jack: Yeah, I wasn't even living, like, a life. I was in here, waiting. Oh, no. I was literally just living a normal life. Right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then working for the Illuminati. Paperwork style. Then they're like, you got to replace this guy.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. You were living your own life.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That's even more questions.

Jack: Okay, yeah, so they were definitely. I. Oh, I remember what our purpose of being cloned for was. Where'd the organs? Oh, that's why we do know they're dead. They have to be, right? Or they ran away because now we're.

Cristina: The valuable ones, but we were supposed to just be organs.

Jack: Organs.

Cristina: Then why is there so many clones of you? That doesn't make sense.

Jack: S***. We kept going rogue even after they'd f***** with the DNA, keep in mind. No, but. No, no, it doesn't even matter, because we were all cloned around the same time.

Cristina: Mm. So why would they need multiple clones of you and you?

Jack: Well, they all started talking s*** at some point.

Jack: Or went rogue. Somehow, something is wrong with the genetic pool. That interesting, because it's happening to both of our clones.

Cristina: What? We are the clones.

Jack: Yeah, both you and I. We're the only ones who seem to have not gone rogue in a significantly long time.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: All the other ones, there was a lot of bugs. In there. That's interesting. So there are many defects in a lot of the clones.

Cristina: I don't think there's other clones of me. I think I'm the only one left. Only one?

Jack: No, there was a second set of clones that was talking s***. Got killed. You're number three.

Cristina: I'm number three? Yeah. I don't remember that. Yeah.

Jack: It was just a day that an episode in which the two clones again somehow ended up talking s*** in the following episode. It was just another set of clones.

Cristina: Oh, wouldn't that be number two?

Jack: Yeah. Third from the original.

Cristina: Oh, okay. What?

Jack: Yeah. Is that like another plot hole?

Cristina: I think so. How so? We're just getting killed off or we're not getting killed off? What is happening when?

Jack: I don't know. But hold that thought. When original Yu leaves that you were living with, you're not the same one that immediately got called in to work the show.

Cristina: Well, I don't know. What if that Mii had the same memories as this Mii? What if I didn't live with her? Maybe those were memories of the other clone.

Jack: Then you'd be cloned from the clone.

Cristina: Or like, we're very similar. I don't know if I'm clone of the clone because that seems to go wr. I do have. I might have her memories instead of the original one's memories.

Jack: No, because they didn't keep taking new samples.

Cristina: Because I remember living with her.

Jack: So that's what I mean. So you weren't the one originally called into the show after she disappeared.

Cristina: But didn't she also say she was living with her?

Jack: Yes, she the original, and you the clone. So when she disappears, a different clone that isn't you is doing the show. That's the one that talked s***. That clone was removed.

Cristina: But that clone did not say that she was living.

Jack: No, that clone never said that.

Cristina: Okay. That's what I'm asking.

Jack: Oh, that's the she you were referring to?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I thought by she you meant the original.

Cristina: No, I meant the other clone. Did she ever say that? And you said no?

Jack: Yeah, I think not.

Cristina: Okay. Because if she did say that, then what does that mean?

Jack: You're a clone of a clone.

Cristina: A clone of a clone. Except I didn't go wrong.

Jack: Exactly.

Jack: You're a clone of a clone, but you did not go wrong.

Cristina: Not like you're a virgin. That's beautiful.

Jack: There's something absolutely wrong with. But there's a lot of memes out there.

Cristina: Are they out there? Are they all dead?

Jack: No, there's A couple still wandering out there. The question is, is he original? And if so, can.

Cristina: Can we find him?

Jack: We find that thing and. Why is this girl important?

Cristina: You think she's important?

Jack: I don't know. Why was it important to kill her, too?

Cristina: I know.

Jack: Run her off too.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or fire her, whatever happened.

Cristina: Whatever happened. Yeah. I don't know. You gotta hear the episodes where they disappeared on.

Jack: Interesting. We're gonna investigate our own show. That's the only way to figure it out, man.

Cristina: Yes. How many shows are there? Two million.

Jack: Two million? I think like two seasons.

Cristina: Two seasons?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What does that even mean? 200.

Jack: That's 50. Two times two is 104.

Cristina: I feel like there's way more episodes than that.

Jack: No, 104 is all the clones. Oh, like before us.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Two seasons.

Jack: Two seasons.

Cristina: There's gotta be more. Are you sure?

Jack: Yeah. No, that's it.

Cristina: That's it.

Jack: Yeah. 52 weeks. What? That's it. An episode per week. And actually not even 52 weeks because the last week of every month we had off.

Cristina: Mmm. Okay.

Jack: Boom.

Cristina: I think we can do it.

Jack: It's still like 80 episodes.

Cristina: That's a lot. We could do it. We gotta. Yeah.

Jack: At least. It's only 80 hours.

Cristina: There's so much questions and there's gotta be answers.

Jack: There's gotta be answers. Look, as far as we know, by the way, this is all just happening. Still. Still. While we're waiting on Steve. But interesting enough, we've come up with something to do.

Cristina: Yes. Well, we'll probably figure it out the next Groundhog Day. Who knows? When's that? February. We gotta wait again. It's gonna take him a year for Steve. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. But we, on the other hand, have tasks now. We have duties that we can. Something. Investigate while he's doing that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which is finding the answers to these questions.

Cristina: The mystery where you went, or if you're dead.

Jack: I guess first would be confirming whether I'm dead or not. And then if alive or dead, where. Where did. Did the originator go?

Cristina: I'm assuming. Wait, do we have the time machine?

Jack: We do.

Cristina: We could use it to go backwards to find him.

Jack: No, no, you can use it.

Cristina: You can't come with me, even though you're not him.

Jack: No. Time travel is just real annoying. I'm less interested in doing and finding the answers to these questions than I am absolutely avoiding time travel. So it's like I definitely will avoid time travel more than I give a s*** for that.

Cristina: Okay, then let's not do that.

Jack: Yes. The time machine. Bad news, man.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting toy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Totally not worth it.

Cristina: Not worth it. Nah. Let's mess up our lives.

Jack: Yeah. It's not even messing up our lives. Because if the point is investigating and we change anything and all the rules of the investigation suddenly changed and we're back to square one. Yeah, that sucks. Totally not worth it. There's nothing we could do because everything is a new interaction. Because we have. We're totally out of place. Everything we do changes everything. By default, anything we're trying to accomplish is going to be altered, and we're back to the beginning of that. But then in the process of trying to get back on track with that will change something else, which then will change infinitely. Looping back.

Cristina: Yes. Does not do that.

Jack: Yeah, nothing we could do about it. The time machine sucks.

Cristina: But there has to be some other way to find this.

Jack: We just have to find them. But where would they hide?

Cristina: Who hide?

Jack: The originals. If they're not. If they are alive. Right. We do investigate this. We do find that they've not been killed. They're not working for the Illuminati. Where did they go? Where would they hide? The best bet would be to find people who knew them, who knew them personally.

Cristina: Okay. So there's at least three people. There might be more people. But there's Dave, the clone who died.

Jack: Yes, but he would have no memory either, because he is now a clone of a clone. The clone? No, the clone who was. Because he was a clone. At least when we met him. And he was then killed off. And a different clone took his place.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So he's also had that scraped.

Cristina: So he can't help us.

Jack: He's useless. Then there's Ish, who's also been killed off.

Cristina: Yes. Well, we don't know if he's the real him or the clone him.

Jack: We know someone did off. But then the interesting thing about him is that him and his clone were so closely related that minus the memories of that version of Jack.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: He wouldn't, like, really tell. You couldn't tell which one was the original. Because they would have. They were. You know, it was like you got cloned. You were. You. You were only around a month before one of you killed the other.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: There's not really a lot of memories you made that would distinguish who you are. And then they already scraped the memories off of one, so I guess that's a gamble. That's a 50. 50. He could be like, what?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: This is the only version of you I've ever Known, Huh?

Cristina: I feel like he would say that. Oh, no. He might be the clone. Okay, then there's Jomar. No, no. Is that the right person? No, that was the guy. He's dead. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, he's just dipped.

Cristina: He dipped before any of this happened.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes. That's just a guy.

Cristina: Yes, that's just a guy. Germs. There you go.

Jack: Germs. Well, that's a whole other problem. Because germs did get killed. But he didn't get cloned. He didn't work for the Illuminati. His ghost got trapped in.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: In the systems. He couldn't theory be listening right now.

Cristina: Oh, I forgot about that. He was just a ghost in here because you killed him. Well, a version of you.

Jack: Yeah. So first we got to get in contact with him and then maybe ask if he has any memory of that or if he just knows some version of the clone.

Cristina: Yes. Crap. So he's not helpful either. And I think that's it. I don't know. Is there anyone else? I don't think so. I can't remember.

Jack: Yeah, I don't know. We have to open quite the severe investigation if we want to just simply. Just to find out who knows these people well.

Cristina: And I don't know any of those people.

Jack: It's. It's pretty hard. It's interesting. Why was the Illuminati so set on getting rid of even the people, bro? Okay, let's be real.

Cristina: Except they weren't planning on germs dying. That was an accident.

Jack: Because I was the clone. That was the dumb clone.

Cristina: Yeah. I was trying to kill you.

Jack: Trying to kill me? Yeah. That was just like. He wasn't an employee or anything. That was some crazy s*** that happened one time.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You know, just.

Cristina: Just some s*** that happened to get rid of Ish.

Jack: Why we're trying to get rid of. Well, we know Ish has master level hacking abilities.

Cristina: That is true.

Jack: Where'd he get that? He's clearly an employee.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: And he got cloned. No s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. He's an. Wow. We never thought about that.

Cristina: He was an employee the whole time. He was an employee. We didn't even know.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Oh, man. He's a secret agent.

Jack: He's a super secret agent. Whoa.

Cristina: Well, he got his fool. What? What if he was betraying us the whole time? Who knows, dude?

Jack: He got to play with the portal and everything.

Cristina: He did. Oh my gosh. What if this portal has something to do with it? No, but Dave never did. You talk To Dave about the portal.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: He might know about the portal.

Jack: He might. He might have been the first person to f*** with the portal.

Cristina: But he didn't actually do anything like us, because we're not like Ish, who was like, I'm gonna go.

Jack: He experimented like the rest of us.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Ish just hopped straight in. You know, unless Ish is also impulsive enough to use a time machine, so already knew that nothing would go wrong.

Cristina: Interesting thing is that kind of secret. Like he's.

Jack: Dude, he flat out hacked a robot from his cell phone. That doesn't even sound possible.

Cristina: Well, you guys were in a hacking contest also to see who the best hacker was. So I don't know. When did you get hacking skills?

Jack: Yeah, but. Okay, fair enough. So he's a super elite agent as well? Is everybody? For the Illuminati super elite.

Cristina: But he's even more secret than us.

Jack: Well, our whole point is being public.

Cristina: That's true. That's true.

Jack: We just talk about it. We gotta inform people. But he doesn't have to inform anybody of s***.

Cristina: No, he's really.

Jack: He's working.

Cristina: How do we know he didn't kill us?

Jack: Dude, he floats in totally seeming like some rando.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: And like, could have totally.

Cristina: We've been betrayed.

Jack: Could have totally.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: You think this is a mole? Yes, there's a mole amongst us.

Cristina: We need to question him. He might know something.

Jack: It's interesting. It really looks like he was just interested in very specific things. Like there'd be no benefit for him to kill. It was just. We get really high priority cases and some of them might seem interesting to other agents, right?

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: So maybe even if he's not solving the case or partaking in it, he just, like, you know, I heard about the thing. I want to go check it out.

Cristina: There's something there. I think he might know something.

Jack: He's involved.

Cristina: He's involved. He was the reason we attacked Mars to begin with.

Jack: He was. Therefore. I don't remember exactly how that played out, but he was there.

Cristina: He was there.

Jack: He was there when that happened. He was there when the cockroach people were destroyed on Mars.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we destroyed our home. Mars.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He was there when he's. He had his own clone. We never questioned it.

Cristina: Well, we saw him fight him. Yes. We don't know why he had a clone, but yes, he did.

Jack: Now we know. He's probably an agent.

Cristina: Yeah. He played with the portal.

Jack: He played with the Portal. He has tremendously Overpowered hacking ability.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And. And that hacking display actually took place in an alternate timeline where there was a robot apocalypse happening.

Cristina: I don't know if that was the alternate timeline. I think there's just a apocalypse happening where we. Where the army was.

Jack: Oh, my God. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We went to. Yeah, yeah. This is actually. Oh, s***. That's probably still happening in some random, like, dirt country, one of those countries that Trump hates. What he calls them dirt countries. Right. Some s*** like that. Just real douchebag name. But one of those dirt countries, this.

Cristina: Robot war, was because Obama started Skynet.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're totally right. I remember that.

Cristina: That really happened.

Jack: So that's like, still. That could still be happening. Like, we could still go have casual hacking competitions with the robots that are murdering a bunch of civilians in some Middle Eastern country.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Cristina: I don't know how he got there. I think you sent him there. I don't remember.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: To prove his hacking skills.

Jack: To prove his hacking skills. Yes. Interesting, interesting. And then he was truly astounding. So that's. That's actually a real interesting thing that happened once.

Cristina: I think he has answers.

Jack: You think he has answers? So we need to get him in here and question him.

Cristina: I wonder if Satan is involved because of all the times he's been to h***.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Like.

Jack: Like, is he an informant for the devil?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: This is like some type of s***.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, yes.

Jack: Interesting, interesting.

Jack: So. Ish. Might have something to do with it. Or at least know something.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Also, how does any of this relate to any of our bigger issues?

Cristina: I don't know. You know our bigger issues?

Jack: We had a bunch of cases before. There were barely any cases. It was just reporting on normal s***. But slowly but surely, things started to lose control, and now there's a bunch of crazy s*** to report on. All following their disappearance, I think.

Cristina: Wait, who's the disappearance?

Jack: The originals.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: Originals disappear.

Cristina: I think the portal is the beginning of everything, though. I don't think it's them disappearing. I think it was the portal and they just happened to disappear. But that might also be part of the mystery. But I think the beginning point of all the weirdness is the portal.

Jack: Okay. Crazy, crazy idea. That happened in the same episode.

Cristina: What?

Jack: The portal happened the same episode that they went missing.

Cristina: I don't know about that. We have to see that. I don't know if that's true. But that would be crazy if that's true. No way.

Jack: Yeah. So there's something happening with the portal. If that's the case. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure it was the Thanksgiving episode.

Cristina: But they didn't go through the portal. No, they just found it.

Jack: They just found the portal.

Cristina: And it's still in my backyard because we can't really touch it.

Jack: We just go through it and end up somewhere else. If we try to touch it.

Cristina: Yeah, it's just there.

Jack: Universe 3.

Cristina: So what could have happened? What?

Jack: What do you see? This is crazy. Interesting.

Cristina: Maybe it's not at the Illuminati sun. Maybe something is protecting the portal.

Jack: No, because Ish was fine.

Cristina: How was he fine?

Jack: Nothing happened to Ish f****** with that portal.

Cristina: No, but he died afterwards.

Jack: He only died. Killed himself. He wasn't killed by anybody but him.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: There was no beef with the Illuminati. And Ish. It was just like there was too much Ish for Ish.

Cristina: That is true. Okay, never mind. Because everyone else died and he died totally different.

Jack: Totally different circumstance. Death is a fact of the matter. Everybody else died and the portal.

Cristina: Everyone knew about it.

Jack: Everybody knew about it.

Cristina: Except for germs, I guess. But he also died randomly by accident.

Jack: I think he did play with the portal.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah. But his death was also unrelated. F****** with the portal does not equate to death. No, no, no, no. But something about the portal might equate to the absence of whether it be.

Cristina: Dead or missing or running away.

Jack: Promoted. Oh, you found the portal here. Promotions.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting. So it could be any number of things, but those two things might be our first, most important connection. The appearance of the portal leading to the disappearance of the original two.

Cristina: I think so. I think the portal is way more important than we think. I don't know how it's somehow going to lead to adrenochrome. I don't know every.

Jack: Oh, God, I forgot all about it. I had peace. I had peace of mind for who knows how long. And then you just reminded me that ultimately everything we're doing is some sort of investigation about adrenochrome. Because that predates our biggest problem.

Cristina: Yep. And that's where everything comes from.

Jack: Yes. Actually, not even. Because we. It gets more abstract. We go far back. And if we end up at just fear, which is what's in adrenochrome in the first place. So something about fear. But then who feeds on fear? Shadow Realm. Okay, so now we're back to the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Does the portal relate to the Shadow Realm? And how.

Jack: And how? Because the portal goes to Universe Three.

Cristina: Three? Yes. And the other portal? One to One. So what does any of this have to do with the other universe? Another world?

Jack: Okay, okay, okay. Before we run out of time, what are our big issues? Our real big issues? Steve is training to talk to the cloud people.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So they can talk to their leader or their big, powerful thing. God. That thing is gonna communicate with gas giants and stars in order to help us combat our mutual enemy, which is the cat people that are in the great void putting Dyson spheres around stars.

Cristina: That somehow a version of you knew about.

Jack: That somehow a version of me knew about and actively went out of their way to stop. On top of the fact that is that the only beef we have with the cat people. Because they're kind of always hiding. We're just seeking them out.

Cristina: Ultimately, if they have something to do with this, they would.

Jack: Well, that's. Well, first. That's. That's our first path of things.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The question follows, is any of that related to my original? Like the host, the original Jack.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the original Christie.

Cristina: Disappearing.

Jack: Disappearing. Or whatever happened. So something happened to them. Question mark on that. We don't know what happened.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We're here now. We know that.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Is whatever happened to them related to whatever. This problem we're having now with the cat people is because that's also directly connected to the first clone that's related to the. All right, this could all just be a problem. All of that could be a problem of the first clone.

Cristina: Not the first Jack. Just the first.

Jack: Not the first Jack. Just the first clone.

Cristina: Okay. That's true. Okay.

Jack: The cockroach people might actually be associated to the first, not even clone. The original might be associated to the original Jack.

Cristina: But what do they have to do with anything?

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: Like, how are they important?

Jack: The cockroach people?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because that's a connection that Ish and Jack have.

Cristina: Oh. Okay.

Jack: If Ish is related to, then whatever Ish had to do with the cockroach people is the same thing that got Ish connected to the portal. The portal goes to Universe Three, but the portal doesn't necessarily seem to be anything related to any of the other clones. The only two real powerful connections. Because all the other clones interacted with it simply because they were sitting in the same chair and they had the same job. I do.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's your only connection to that portal. So they go and investigate a portal relative to that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Anybody who didn't have that particular job and got around that portal problem. Because there is no reason they should have gotten around that portal. They found a Way there with us. They found ways to tag along with us to get to the portal. Yes, those are people worth suspicion. Those people are somehow connected to whatever happened to the original Jack and Kristen.

Cristina: But they can't help us.

Jack: Well, the only person we know in that scenario that connects to that specific thing is Ish. And that's still a 5050 toss up. Because the one who could know might have killed. Might have been killed. We don't know.

Cristina: We don't know. We gotta investigate him.

Jack: Yes. 5050 toss up.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So if we lost that connection. We have no other person we know that knows of the portal interacted with the portal knows. And it happened with the original Jack and Chrissy.

Cristina: He knows things.

Jack: Unless that's not him.

Cristina: Unless that's not him.

Jack: In which case unrelated. Yes, but then we still don't know. And we have way less Rhodes there.

Cristina: But we gotta investigate that. So whatever. We have to talk to him.

Jack: Yeah, we gotta find out. We definitely gotta try our best to get that information.

Cristina: Yes. So those are two things. That's it.

Jack: Well, what are again? It's what are our big problems? So we have the cat people, our past. We have this weird lingering question of who the f***. What. Where the f*** they went. What happened?

Cristina: What happened. Question marks everywhere.

Jack: Exactly. How is ish related?

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Because he's a little stinky one.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's a little sneaky. And eventual hiding. Maybe in plain sight blending in. Exactly.

Cristina: What if he's. I don't know. Who knows?

Jack: How do the cockroach people relate? How do the Reptilians relate? Is there a bigger picture here? Well, the Reptilians were kind of like a minor nuisance.

Cristina: They were related to world too, not to us.

Jack: They interacted with our world and we stopped them so effortlessly that it's like. I don't see how this was ever a problem.

Cristina: It wasn't really a problem. We just stole something from them and it destroyed everything they had.

Jack: So easy. And then slaves. All the ones we kidnapped. Yeah, so easy. Conquistador style. F*** him.

Cristina: That's pretty bad.

Jack: So whatever. Explore brave new universes. Kidnap the people. Bring them to our side and make them work like good old Earthway.

Cristina: We've done that a lot though, so.

Jack: Yeah, except we killed the Earth people. It was very on brand for the rich people. Yeah, the roach people. Oh, it's very on brand for a guy who was N*** German. That, that checks out. That checks out. That checks out. That fits.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: This narrative wise, very coherent.

Cristina: That's not you that's not me.

Jack: I'm just. I mean, I married a cockroach, but it's totally unreal. I'm so different.

Cristina: You're so different. Yeah.

Jack: So different. Because whatever turned me into a N*** German, a hundred percent. I never experienced that.

Cristina: Yeah, man. So he probably is not the you that went to try to save the humans from the cat people.

Jack: No. These are two very different things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: One is a hero. I'm neutral. Party as f***. One is a hero. That's a clone. Probably the first clone.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: One potentially a villain. And maybe not even human.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like never was human, only somehow became human. But then I'm human, so he was human. Interesting.

Cristina: Interesting. Then again, because of the Scooby Doo hybrid thing, maybe you're. He wasn't human.

Jack: I'm thinking he began. He began human. Right. Whatever's happening, began human. N*** Germany happens. High ranking, he gets killed, enters the shadow realm. Does the shadow realm have technology? But if that's the case, then he is somehow connected to the cat people because adrenochrome is also part of the narrative. Because why did he go to the shadow realm?

Cristina: But what does that have to do with the cat people? They don't have anything to do with adrenochrome, as far as I know. Do they?

Jack: I'm assuming they also. Originally. Many years ago. No. Many years ago. Chances are they were some of the first to take adrenochrome.

Cristina: Oh, yes. Okay.

Jack: Back in ancient Egypt days.

Cristina: We don't know for sure, but most likely, yes. That's our guess.

Jack: Yeah. I'm pretty. Yeah. So basically that's one of the things we would confirm upon getting to them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because they have the info that their underlings do not.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So yeah, it's definitely possible that there is a connecting line there. Which means maybe the cappy pulls related to the portal.

Cristina: So everything's connected. Maybe.

Jack: Yeah. Think about it. Original Jack and Christy somehow related to the cat people because adrenochrome, there's a line connecting Ancient Egypt thing, whatever. And then that Jack following his whatever circumstance happened and that Chrissy's circumstance, whatever happened, everything that we investigate that is only popping its head up now all connects back to adrenochrome. So we know whatever happened spiraled some series of events out of control in which a bunch of s*** connected to adrenochrome popped up.

Cristina: Yes. So much.

Jack: So much s***. Everything connected to adrenochrome following that. So original Jack and Christie connect to Adrenochrome as well as the cat people. And original Jack and Christy are. I mean, the. The first set of clones are trying to stop the cat people.

Cristina: Mm. And so are we.

Jack: Which then. Cut it. Which. So are we. Which then connects us and that set of clones.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To the original. So there's a clusterfuck. Mess of parts moving.

Cristina: But how does the portal connect to Adrenochrome?

Jack: How does the portal connect to adrenochrome? That is. And why is the portal so close and might even be the same episode? So somehow the ball got rolling at that point. You might be right. The portal is the answer. Yes.

Cristina: Okay. That's the main.

Jack: Which tells us another thing. The answer is in universe three, because that's where the portal goes.

Cristina: Whoa. Okay.

Jack: Are we gonna have to go into. Wow. There's. We haven't had a reason until now.

Cristina: To go to universe three. We're gonna do that.

Jack: Universe three. There's a reason to investigate. Whatever answers we're looking for might be over there. And I don'. How, but they might be over there.

Cristina: Let's do it.

Jack: We may have to. We just got to keep this a secret while we investigate it.

Cristina: Okay, so how's this a secret?

Jack: Because we're, like, the biggest news thing on Earth.

Cristina: Exactly. Okay. Everyone listening? Keep it a secret.

Jack: Yeah, keep it a secret. You're gonna help us ground certain baffling ideas. Not what you want to do. Look, man, we're figuring it out. The answers are there.

Cristina: They're there.

Jack: Look hard enough, we'll see them. Somehow this is related. Anyways. Anyways, look, go follow us on socials, you know, on Instagram, on TikTok, on Twitter. Just convopod on Facebook too, you know.

Cristina: And remember to subscribe, rate, and review the show.

Jack: Yeah, hit that button. You know, like a YouTuber below. What is that, Raven?

Cristina: Is it below? Is it above? It might be above.

Jack: That might be somewhere. Somewhere. It's usually over the little rectangle where the thing is playing.

Cristina: Somewhere says there.

Jack: Hit the subscribe thing.

Cristina: And yeah, this has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks for listening.

Jack: Listen to me. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. The person who made the cappuccino used an almond. So it's not that the almond is the parent or the gay guy who. The overweight gay guy, specifically who made it and put it there, but it's a child of both of them.

Cristina: Is there overweight gay guy there?

Jack: Yeah, the overweight gay guy is the one who made it for us. Or at least who I saw put it on the thing, and usually the one who made it puts it on the thing.

Cristina: Oh, okay. And he's the father.

Jack: He's the father. And the mama Almond.

Cristina: Why would it be an almond, though? It's a cappuccino.

Jack: Oh, the bean. I don't know. You said almond.

Cristina: I know, but that's wrong.

Jack: Just the bean. The bean. The coffee bean.

Cristina: There's a couple things inside the cappuccino. It could be any of those things.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and Published by Great Thoughts.info Art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister, with social media managed by Amber Black.

February 27, 2021

JCP 5.02 Michael Horn & Billy Meier Prophecies

February 27, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

Guest Michael Horn, documentary filmmaker, blogger and follower of the teaching of Billy Meier and his Prophecies, comes on to discuss the profound nature of Billy Meier’s experiences and quest to correct the errors of humanity through spiritual teachings (non religious) and philosophies. An episode jam packed with subjects from subatomic blueprints for life, population control and other pressing issues. One of our most ‘Must listen’ episodes to date. If you want to be informed, Michael Horn is the man for you.

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Topics Discussed

Aliens
Humans from Space
Billy Meier Contacts
Carbon Life Across the Universe
Genetics
Covid19 Prophecies
U.S. Capitol Insurrection
Predicting Future Events
Photos from The Future
A.I. God
Prophets of Peace
Decentralize Spiritual Teachings

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Website 1 - TheyFly.com
Website 2 - TheyFlyBlog.com
Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5gc3oUDbAE

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Future of Mankind Website - http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Main_Page

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October 17, 2020

Rambling 106: Galactic Zoo Theory

October 17, 2020/ GreyThoughts.Info

GW, Aliens, Space, Astronomy, Men In Black, The Just Conversation Podcast, Comedy, Discussion, Podcast, Show, Research, Science, Technology, Invasion, UFO, Time Travel, Mathmatics

Is Earth just an interstellar zoo for hyper-intelligent lifeforms? Answers to that and more on this episode of Just Conversation.

Story:
While investigating the Mandela effect, the duo discovers something extraordinary about planet Earth. Digging deeper it starts to become apparent that there is high possibility Earth is currently being watched by advanced lifeforms. Searching for the answers as to why this is happening, the duo stumble upon several possibilities ranging from time travel to alien experiments, but what they discover along the way is something neither of the two could have ever expected!

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Topics Discussed

The Zoo Hypothesis
Fermi’s Paradox
The Great Silence
Earth Zoo
Unintelligent Life
Human Sanctuary
Two Distinct Life Origins on Earth
Ancient Astronauts
Future Humans
Aliens in Scripture
Vehicles in Scripture
Nephilim
Time Bubbles
Ghost Ships & UFOs
Jehovah & Lucifer Alien Leaders

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September 19, 2020

Rambling 103: Deja Vu Theories

September 19, 2020/ GreyThoughts.Info

Deja vu Theories, The Just Conversation Podcast, Science, Episode, New Episode, Discussion, Time Travel, Research, Comedy, Fun, Funny

What are the possible explanations for Deja Vu? Are you reliving a moment? Are you seeing the future? Answers to this questions and many more on this episode of Just Conversation!

Story:
The duo return to their investigation on DeJa Vu to dig deeper and pick apart the concept and its origins with newly discovered information. Will they find a definitive answer? Or just circle infinite possibilities trying to please the Illuminati HQ CEO? Find out!

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Topics Discussed:

Spectrum of Deja Vu
All Things Happened
Reincarnation
Deja Vu Causes
Aliens
Time Loops
Subconscious Memory
Types of Deja Vu
Dejaville

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February 22, 2020

Rambling 80: Complexities of Time Travel

February 22, 2020/ GreyThoughts.Info

Time Travel, Theory, Paradox, Metaphysics, Time Loop, Spacetime, Physics, String Theory, The Just Conversation Podcast

Why is Time Travel difficult? The hurdles of time travel and it’s paradoxes are dissected.

Story:
Still attempting to understand how time travel works before using their stored time machine, the duo decides to unpack what they know of time travel and the bag of worms that opens. From paradoxes, to time loops, the clones have their work cut out for them before they can travel back and contact the Jack of the past pre-Cat People Destruction plot.

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Topics Discussed

Greta The Time Traveler
Visitors From The Future
Altering History
Reporting on Future Events
Changing Historical Records
The Rules of Time
String Theory
Aliens Are Future Humans
Wormholes
How To Time Travel
Theoretical Time Travel
Star Trek Paradoxes & Theories
Unchangeable Past

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