Rambling 230: UAPs
/Why did the government alter their defined meaning for UAP? What does it mean that the government has publicly stated their awareness of thousands of UAP encounters? What is really going on with the new found transparency of this information? The duo tackle the growing discussion around space observation and UAPs (formerly UFO).
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Topics Discussed:
- UAPs
- Whistle Blowers
- FBI Announcement
- Extraterrestrial Technology
- Space Force
- Terrestrial Unknowns
- Atlanteans
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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.
Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.
Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And lately the most baffling of ideas has been happening.
Cristina: What is that?
Jack: And it's being grounded, but it's not grounded because it's in the sky. Except not necessarily.
Cristina: It's not in the sky.
Jack: So UFOs are popular thing again, why?
Cristina: It's on and off.
Jack: It's on and off. I mean, sometimes it doesn't matter. NASA was like, there's Alien 2020, but we were all just worried about the pandemic. So we're like, yeah, whatever, dude, we're dying, or whatever. We're told this happening, but we weren't dying and we're all still here. Well, I guess at least 6 million people aren't, but a bunch of the majority, like, yeah, way more than 99% of everyone is still here. And yeah, we didn't respond to that. But it seems like UFOs are on the rise. Again, not sightings, but rather information disclos.
Cristina: Closed claims of meeting aliens and crap.
Jack: Yeah, well, I don't know if claims of necessarily meeting aliens and crap, but there are definitely more. There's more solid information coming out confirming that perhaps the United States government has been involved with aliens or something for.
Cristina: They're definitely saying that they seen these aliens.
Jack: Yes, yes, they've seen. I don't know if there's necessarily in peace with it. So hold on, let's go from the beginning all the way back when NASA first was like, we're gonna take these videos because we're sure this is just technology that we're familiar with. And they confiscated three videos. Not confiscated, but they were like, don't worry about the videos. We're gonna give you a definite. This is what. NASA takes it. And they go through the videos and the videos, they get nowhere with it. They have them for years, like 10 years or something. And then they put the videos out together with a statement saying that they want help from the public because they can't figure it out. It's legitimately not technology they're familiar with. They can't pinpoint how, what, who, anything, so they put it public again. This happens around 2020. And they just actually happens in the middle of the pandemic and they're just like, okay, you know, help. We can't figure it Out. It's on the public. Please assist. We're going to work as a community. We're going to get this. Nothing gets acknowledged, nobody cares. Nothing happens. Because we're all concerned with George, Floyd and Covid happening all at the same time. Aliens just too much. It's too much. At the same time, we're like, we don't have the RAM for this. So something gives and we ignore the potentiality for aliens. When NASA is like, no, we don't have this. A couple of months later, the Pentagon follows up with a statement saying, yes, we confirm what NASA says. These are official. We don't know what the h*** they are. It's not a new statement or thing. They're just kind of reinforcing. Yes, we do need assistance. Any information necessary or whatever. I think they could help. So then recently, a couple of months ago, we get a man, former soldier or a soldier former. He's a veteran, Air Force veteran, who goes on national television and states, yes, we see UFOs all the time. Thousands. There's thousands of UFO sightings. We see them all the time. We have giant records of it. We used to not even report it. And when we reported now we just, you know, it's by law. We just record everything we see, but nothing happens with it because it's crazy to even talk about.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And they, they do this on TV again. People are like, okay, this is kind of weird. That's interesting. You mainly see this showing up on Tick Tock. Most other places aren't gonna pick this up. So guy shows up, stalking him. Whatever station picked him up, talks about the thing. And then a couple of weeks later, FBI guy shows up and FBI guy goes on national television and says, yes, we encounter UFOs all the time. We are, we got giant records about it that we do get from the Air Force. And we're looking for into all of these documents. We're trying to confirm which are legitimate, which are not. Okay. Then we got a lot of agencies involved saying, yeah, okay, that's true. Casual, casual. They're pretending they're not mentioning the fact that they've known for a really long time. Like, it's outrageous. They're like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we always knew.
Cristina: But the story doesn't make sense to what the, the newer stories unless you want to get continue on this storyline. Because I just don't understand the end to what's. What everyone's saying.
Jack: What's everyone saying?
Cristina: I'm like, yeah, there's UFOs but we don't know Anything. And the real story, at least some people are saying, is like, we 100% know everything about these things.
Jack: Okay, so who's saying what?
Cristina: The government is saying we are clueless. We know their existence, but that doesn't mean we know anything really. We know as much as you know, we need your help. But people are coming out also that are saying, no. The government knows. They know because they work with them, because they've not worked with them. But they found these aliens, they found this technology. They already. They're experimenting with it all the time. There's no question. It's. It's very. It's two different stories happening right now.
Jack: That's always the case. It happened with COVID too. Just two different stories happening.
Cristina: Yes. Yeah. So, like, how do you can. Can you tell which is which?
Jack: Is it flat or is it round? I don't know. Everybody's always got some. There's always a counter.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: To any situation.
Cristina: Well, what do you think is going on? What makes the most sense?
Jack: What makes the most sense? I don't know. We. We don't have the information to say what makes the most sense. If everybody has a bunch of logical information being discussed, it's more about, here's all the information. We all got to make up our minds. That's kind of where it's at.
Cristina: How do we decide? That's crazy.
Jack: Well, following the train of thought that I was at, we have NASA saying they don't know what any of these are. They have no idea. They do need help. Then the government. The Pentagon comes in afterwards, says, yes, that's the case. Then we actually. Then we have FBI, we have the Air Force guy. He goes on national television and the Air Force guy says, yes, we see thousands of UFOs all the time. Then we get the FBI guy who comes on and says they've been looking into it and that they have divisions of the government intentionally cut out for this. And not only that, they're going to be making new divisions, including Space Force that became a literal thing. So we have all this sudden movement relative. And then we get the most recent, which is three individuals who work for the United States government in top secret projects, all of which had to do with UAPs and actual aliens. They claim that the United States government has had a ship from the Cold War acquired that they have been working on since then, trying to reverse engineer its technology.
Cristina: I guess that's believable. Yeah.
Jack: Yeah. So the idea here is we don't know. We fail to comprehend, and we don't Necessarily know if everything we see in the sky, according to this logic, at the moment, we don't know if everything we see in the sky is the same thing. Is it a bunch of crap because there's a bunch of different vessels seen or is it the same crap in different vessels?
Cristina: Interesting.
Jack: So there's no idea what's happening. Is it robots by the same people?
Cristina: Is it what the big question mark to me, what bothers me most though is they say they also have found aliens. What is the description on these aliens? Is it the what we know? Is it the same old, same old? Are they gonna say same thing that that guy on Joe Rogan said, like, yeah, we met that guy alien Bob. I don't know what the alien name. Like what is the story there behind.
Jack: What they look like? Yeah, that's a story to you, what they look like. Not the interactions, just how here physically.
Cristina: Both, I guess, because. What is it? What is it? What is that?
Jack: Chupacabra. Yeah. If it turned out to be a chupacabra in theory, how does now, knowing the shape of it, now you know what it looks like and they show you a picture. Look, it's a Chupacabra. And it's just. It looks like a. Like a dog, goat running.
Cristina: Then I feel like I wouldn't believe, I think.
Jack: But they show you a clean video, they can prove it to you. They can prove to you that that's the actual alien. It just look like a goat, dog.
Cristina: There's no way they have pictures.
Jack: They do. And they prove it to you and you believe it and you're like, wow, this is amazing. I don't know how you managed to get such concrete evidence to prove it to me in one shot what it looks like. But you're really good researcher for having this concrete. In fact, the only factual information I've ever seen is you proving to me that this Chupacabra is really what they're talking about and it's real. Now, all that aside, they've now proven it to you and you know what this looks like. Step two is.
Cristina: I'm so really curious about step one.
Jack: What it looks like. Yeah, it just looks like a dog. It looks like a dog, goat. Now you know what it looks like. So what are we using this information for?
Cristina: To know if it's real. I don't know, like if it was, if they really described it as a chupacaba, would you still believe their story?
Jack: They could describe it as anything because anything they describe it at is just as likely as anything Else they describe it as.
Cristina: But that's the part that makes it hard to believe, I guess, is the fact that they say there's aliens.
Jack: Oh, they're Greys now. It's more believable than if they say, like.
Cristina: Just saying that we do have aliens.
Jack: Yeah, that's what I mean. So it doesn't matter what they look like. They're aliens.
Cristina: That still makes the story hard to believe, though.
Jack: Nobody said they look like anything.
Cristina: It doesn't matter, I guess. But just the fact that they're saying that it's aliens and that they've seen aliens is weird.
Jack: Well, I haven't said they've seen aliens yet.
Cristina: What do you mean?
Jack: I've not mentioned anybody seeing aliens yet.
Cristina: But I know that I've heard stories where they say that they. I've seen aliens. The people. I don't know, the people saying that they've seen the ships and stuff.
Jack: Like people who work on cornfields?
Cristina: No, the people that recently came out saying that they work for the government or whatever.
Jack: Oh, the whistleblowers, sure.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So they come out and they say that they've seen aliens?
Cristina: Yes. They're not just saying that they've seen ships. They said that they are seeing aliens too, I think. I'm pretty sure they said that too.
Jack: Why are you sure they said that?
Cristina: He said that they said that. Unless that person was lying, I don't know. The way he was explaining it. He did play clips. I'm pretty sure he put clips in that video.
Jack: I have no idea what you're talking about.
Cristina: There was a video of a guy explaining what he saw and then he gathered his family to see this. Great.
Jack: Saw this. When? In. In your personal life. In one moment. Do you have the video with you?
Cristina: No. You'll probably find it.
Jack: Okay, so nobody saw an alien.
Cristina: No one saw an alien.
Jack: No one of the whistleblower saw an alien. Not in person.
Cristina: What does that mean?
Jack: They are only repeating what they have heard discussed. None of the whistleblowers. This is what. The power of research is important.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It's very necessary to know what you're gonna talk about before you talk about it. Because these whistleblowers, not one of them at any point saw an alien. They assumed there was aliens and they followed that assumption by concluding how they land there, which is when there's crash sites. Sometimes you get dead bodies in there too. They never saw an alien. The conclusion is, if we retrieve the crashed ship, whatever was in there didn't die. They never saw an alien. They're like, there obviously has to be an alien because we got the ship.
Cristina: Then they could be wrong.
Jack: They could totally be wrong. And that could just be foreign. But advanced technologies.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It's important to look into these things beforehand. None of the three whistleblowers, at any moment. They were very careful about what they said. At no moment did they say they saw. They worded everything like. No, of course there was. Because. Yeah, logic.
Cristina: These were. Some words suck. They're not saying anything different from anyone else. Then.
Jack: Yes. I don't think.
Cristina: Except that we have the UFOs, something.
Jack: Like that, which a bunch of random conspiracy theorists already say.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And if these people are already of the mind, that maybe they're more open to it and just happen to work for the government and they hear a rumor while they're just walking down the hallway of, oh yeah, that door none of us gets to go through. Obviously aliens on the other side. Yeah.
Cristina: Is that, oh, yeah, these whistleblowers actually seen these crafts or no. Are they just talking about rumors?
Jack: So none of the whistleblowers have personally worked on or. Yeah, they've seen crafts. They've not necessarily worked on crafts. So there's no way to tell whether these are alien crafts.
Cristina: Oh, my gosh. What? Why is everyone making such a big deal about it? If it's still question mark, it still doesn't mean anything. Okay. It's very disappointing.
Jack: Yeah. None of them have. None of them have proof of any sort they can put forward.
Cristina: Except that they all have the same story, which isn't really much of a story. Well, they all seen the same craft. Like, if they described what they saw, would it be at least the same description?
Jack: I have no idea. That was not discussed in the videos we have access to. And I have not spoken to any.
Cristina: Of them because that would sort of help if they're unrelated. But they all. I mean, they have to be related in some way to have seen it.
Jack: And worked for the same agency.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Okay. So we have up to now the NASA videos that Pentagon then confirms the Air Force, a veteran that goes on TV and claims that UFOs are extremely common. FBI officer coming on national TV following that and stating the Secret Service is working with NASA, the Pentagon, Space Force and the FBI to study space UFOs and strange phenomenon of all these kinds of natures, including foreign technologies, all as part of our national defense thing that we're always doing or whatever.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And then that leads us into the whistleblowers, three of them. That then all former government employees. Part of their respective things leave, and they then reveal the secrets. That we've had this for this long, and this is what's been going. Going on. Except none of them have proof for any of it, so that's immediately an issue. We have to take them on their word. And they haven't claimed personally seeing anything, and they have no proof of anything they've claimed. We have three of them, though.
Cristina: Do they all have the same story?
Jack: Yeah, for the most part. They, for the most part, do have the same story, which is interesting to say the least. So again, they're there for however long, and they are just unaware. They hear these stories. They hear these stories that are happening, that take place. They connect dots, they read documents, when they get them, go into detail, and they see strange things coming through. They've seen interesting, weird and foreign technologies that seem to be spacecraft like. But also, why wouldn't we be trying to replicate spacecraft technology if we had the idea just to kind of see if it works? We're always trying to better ourselves in from a military standpoint, so it makes sense that we would always try different things. And maybe they're seeing some of these things without them being disclosed to them.
Cristina: Okay, so they're just assuming alien. We could just be us.
Jack: Yes, that's. As of now. The assumptions they're making are that they're assuming that it's aliens, and they're speaking of it like it's aliens. But they've seen ships and they're concluding the logic that perhaps crashed ship, that creature, they have taken the thing. They don't know for a fact they have seen ships, though again, these could be foreign technologies that are not extraterrestrial.
Cristina: Have they described how unique these ships are?
Jack: Not that I know of. But we know they've seen things that they cannot compare to other things they can't even describe. If they did, what would it matter? If they said it looks just like an American jet, standard military grade, except it has no pilot and has sentience. But it looks exactly like our ships. What does it matter what it looks like? Because it looks like our ships, our own rockets, our jets. But now it's a sentient piece of technology. Its look is unaffective. They could describe it, yes. It's probably a saucer of some sort of what? Everybody says it's a Borg cube. The visuals don't matter. They never will, because the circumstance is the only part that matters here. The situation in which they're encountered. The visual will not affect anything. It cannot.
Cristina: But you don't find it interesting to know any of it.
Jack: Not if it's obstructing the goal, which is just to make it through the story. We're just trying to make it through the story. The visuals of what they saw. Unimportant. There's significantly more impressive things to get to. They have nothing to do with how these ships look like or how aliens look like or what the guy talking about it looks like. I've only seen one of the three whistleblowers. I couldn't tell you what they look like either. I've read about the other two. I don't know why. Only one of them is like being. I guess he said he's probably the most attractive one. The other guy is probably boring.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: They're all saying the same thing.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And I'm sure they don't look the same. So point being. Point being, they have seen these ships. They know it is not technology that they're familiar with. And they have worked in reconnaissance is one of them. And two of them are engineers. None of them have ever witnessed the technology, which is why they assume it is alien technology. They know what the enemy has got. And unless this is so top secret that even the people who you've got in giving you information from the inside, like even the closest guy to the biggest, most secret bad guy doesn't have it that kind of information. Because these guys were reconnaissance agency engineers and reconnaissance agency officers. Recon officers, essentially. The exact. Let me see, what the h*** was the name of this company? It's the National Reconnaissance. It's literally the National Reconnaissance Office. And that's where they work for. And the guy we are focusing on, the whistleblower, that seems to be the one being pushed around. I don't know why specifically him. This has a bit of propaganda ideology and like smells to it. Right? Because three guys, you focus. You zoned in on one.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Gives me a bit of a Chad Vibes. So you focus on a guy who already gives me the idea that you can probably trick him to do it how you want. So you're focusing on him because you couldn't control the situation. It looks like a swift. And again, still suppressed. No big place has it. All the big places, which is another interesting idea. The big journalists who pick up the stories aren't picking up the story. But journalism now has a bunch of people who are by no means even trying to confirm half of the stories they publish. So why were they unwilling to publish the thing that would have obviously gotten them a bunch of views? Somebody told Them not to.
Cristina: That's what you're thinking.
Jack: If they run this story, true or not and they've run a bunch of s*** that isn't true, that's obviously not true. Indeed do not seem to care. And this would fit any kind of narrative of life and we're not alone and yeah, you got no God. All that kind of stuff that's very. We're progressive and all that. That's. That all fits into that narrative and they're not running it. That's weird.
Cristina: That is weird.
Jack: That's very weird. This is very beneficial for your thing. You want views and you. We're gonna make friends with the aliens where every all inclusive. It's your opportunity. The moment has arrived and. And you didn't run it. Somebody told you not to run it. Or you can discredit them. You have done your homework and found something that says they're full of s***.
Cristina: That could also be it. They all think like. Like it's so easy for them to. And these other smaller ones wouldn't do the work.
Jack: But here's a problem. The big places also don't do the work all the time. They don't do the work. There's consistent publications that they got rid of that because they didn't do their homework or they did it wrong because they didn't again do their homework. So what is the difference? They have to be able to either easily disprove this. There's nothing to disprove. I think the idea is that there isn't enough proof. I think the lack of proof alone is like oh no, it's just one of those kooks.
Cristina: It is does feel like. But if they did work for the government, I feel like it's less. Makes it a little more.
Jack: But not if I didn't see anything.
Cristina: That's true, I guess. But still not like you just got someone who says they're been abducted or whatever like a regular person.
Jack: I don't know. I don't know. It's weird. Before the whistleblowers happened and after the FBI claimed that it was going to, you know, had people studying space, a bunch of groups got together and that they're studying and they're going to make more programs to study and more funding. Out of nowhere they also redefined what the term UAP stands for. This happened suddenly last couple of days actually.
Cristina: What is it?
Jack: UAP originally stood for Unidentified Aerial Phenomena but it's been changed to Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena. Now let us go back to the beginning of these stories and Dive into each one with a little more detail. NASA takes three very well known videos, takes the first one into it, takes the second one a couple years later, takes the next one a couple years later. And we're gonna look into it after they took the third one, two years later, they return them all. They're like, we don't know what the f*** this is. Not a clue. You guys can have it, help help us figure it out. Then the Pentagon comes on and publicly confirms, yes, a hundred percent. And NASA is not full of s***. NASA's not full of s***. We, we don't know. We don't know. We're gonna be honest, we're not scared. It's not horrifying, it's informational. There are things out here and we don't know what they are. So we need help, assistance, just citizens as part of Earth, we're all giant global thing. Let us figure this out together. A moment of unity, blah, blah, blah. And you know, stupid political speeches. Yes, it's very important to note that the three videos that NASA confiscated were all leaked by the Air Force. Important details.
Cristina: Why is that important?
Jack: We'll get to that. Okay, Important details. It was all from the Air Force. All of the videos that were made public that they then were like, don't worry about it, we're gonna figure it out. And then the leader were like, no, we don't get it all from the Air Force. Okay, so Air Force veteran, a couple of years later, very recently, goes on tv, this happened a couple of months ago, and says what? There are many. It's often, it's common. But now let's go into some details about this man's comments, because he also says they can. They're trans, environmental. Like they go from water to the sky, like nothing. Some of them just go into the ground, like nothing. Phase through it if they have to. Or seamlessly cross some threshold where they don't come in contact with anything. They fly, stop, cold, without any acceleration or deceleration, just sudden stop and then keep moving like no, it never happened. They're talking about ships that work like submarines and ships that work like excavation drills, and ships that work like cars and ships that work like planes and ships that work like space rockets. These ships are capable of all terrain.
Cristina: Yes, it's pretty cool.
Jack: Yes. So the government, knowing that they are encountering these things and trying to stay away from the conspiracy thing, which is why they made UAP in the first place, redefines it to be inclusive. But they don't make a public Statement about redefining this thing that the government is working on. They just change it to unidentified anomalous phenomenon so that it's not aerial phenomenon anymore. It's all unknown.
Cristina: That includes aliens, Right? Like, if you find the alien, it would be an. It would be the same word now.
Jack: No, if you found an alien vessel. Yes. An alien doesn't mean unidentified flying. Unless you found an alien floating in space, you're unidentified object. It doesn't. Like, unless I'm thinking this word is associating specifically to the technology and not necessarily the being.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Because it, like, let's say there's a floating alien. Is the alien the unidentified flying object?
Cristina: I guess it's a third word. Object. What's the third word?
Jack: Unidentified anomalous phenomena.
Cristina: Phenomenon doesn't really mean anything. Doesn't mean it's a ship.
Jack: But I think in the way we're trying to think about it, we're aiming it towards that it's the technology that something is inside of that's allowing it to traverse some form of our terrain.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: I, I'm under the impression that that's the terminology that we mean. If you disagree, I am open to arguments, but I believe that's the use that we're applying here. So I'm going with that. Use. Yes, there just an alien that could survive the vacuum of space, floats in, chills in our stratosphere, dips out. And we're seeing that, but we're not really thinking of that being the case. We're usually thinking like hunk of metal with some electronics or something happening. So I. That's the visual I get relative to unidentified anomalous phenomenon. We're not talking about the creature itself. And I don't think that necessarily means aliens. It could mean that an alien is inside the vessel, but it could also mean that it's just foreign tech.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Because the vessel is what we're talking about, or at least what we're assuming. Because by definition. Yes. The fact that it's not an object. Object was taken out. Now it's phenomenon. It's all inclusive. It's anything that happens in the natural world.
Cristina: Yes. That's weird way to swap it to be like, yeah, it's just a flying object.
Jack: In both cases, it was phenomenon. It was an identified aerial phenomenon. And then the other one is unidentified anomalous phenomenon. In both cases they were phenomenon.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: This one was taking place in the sky.
Cristina: Yes. So just. They're just talking about events, then. They're not really even talking about objects or aliens. Or anything. It's just weird things are happening and we're seeing these weird things.
Jack: Well, the main guy we're focusing on, David Grush, said that he saw and he knows that it's a craft of non human origin. Is the exact quote. Non human origin. And that. Yeah. The exact line relative to sometimes acquiring things are that sometimes bodies are acquired at crash sites. He doesn't say he ever saw one. The other guys never claimed the thing either. So there's. It's a lot of like, we gotta take you on your word and you don't know what your word is.
Cristina: Yeah, I don't know. These things could be aliens.
Jack: But one of them does claim to have been reverse engineering the technology that was acquired during the Cold War.
Cristina: That's not the famous one. What? That is so crazy. What makes this guy unique?
Jack: If that guy actually was probably that he was working on reverse engineering technology that was acquired during the Cold War.
Cristina: Is why he's not that.
Jack: No, that's probably what makes him unique.
Cristina: The one that's saying all this stuff. The main guy.
Jack: Oh, my bad. Is he's the hotter one of the three.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: That's probably.
Cristina: It would make more sense if it was that guy that you mentioned or.
Jack: The easier one to control or he said the most while the other was like, there's aliens, you know? Yeah, they're like, yeah, what about it? Just. Yeah, they're over.
Cristina: One of them has actually worked on the technology.
Jack: Yes, but it's just technology that he doesn't understand. Not necessarily alien technology.
Cristina: Okay, but he's assuming.
Jack: He's assuming it's never seen anything like it. Okay. Following the government press release where they are telling us the updates where they change UAP from meaning unidentified Aerial Phenomenon to Unidentified fight anomalous phenomenon, the man, the government official giving the statements and updating us on the new happenings, a law changes and the fact that the United States government with bunch of agencies have been looking into and will continue to look into alien things. He goes on to mention that they're aware of the magnitudes of superiority that the aliens. And he goes as far as to use the term aliens and then corrects himself and says extraterrestrial to be politically correct, I'm assuming. But yes, the extraterrestrials that there are, they are magnitudes of difference technologically away from us, but also that they're incredibly peaceful. Then he follows up by saying that we have been programmed to see these things militaristically when it does not make sense. Because.
Cristina: Wait, wait, I'm confused now.
Jack: It's the guy who did during the press conference where they were telling.
Cristina: Unrelated to the whistleblowing.
Jack: Unrelated to the whistleblowing.
Cristina: What? Okay.
Jack: He then tells us that they are aware that these people, that these creatures are magnitudes of difference above us. They're basically too far ahead technologically, but that they're peaceful, they're not going to hurt us, they're not going to harm us. We have no reason to be technologically preparing for combat. We should be technologically preparing for communication because they are peaceful. Not only are they peaceful, but they are also organized. That's very important. They are organized. They are community of extraterrestrials with highly advanced technology that if they needed to get rid of us would happen instantaneously. But they are peaceful and we have nothing to worry about. But media and the United States government being the head of these movements forward is a bad idea. These are all things stated by the conference that altered the name from meaning one thing to the other. All of these things were declared by a government official who still works for the government.
Cristina: Said that these aliens are peaceful. So he's peaceful.
Jack: They're organized and they are significantly more powerful than we are. So if we tried something, it would be too easy for them and they would never try.
Cristina: Does that mean we are communicating with the aliens?
Jack: No, they're just seeing the magnitudes of difference from technology and we're just still trying to reverse engineer technology that we cannot fathom.
Cristina: So we're pretend like you have to say they're kind just to not scare us.
Jack: Why? Why is it I don't understand? They've not done anything as far as we know.
Cristina: Well, saying that they're kind doesn't make sense either. Why or peaceful like that feels made up.
Jack: Why if they've done nothing that has been non peaceful. I'm assuming that's why they're saying they're peaceful. They haven't attacked anybody, they haven't abducted people. These are all bullshit stories. Most likely.
Cristina: Okay. Okay, I guess. Yeah, that would mean anything.
Jack: Yeah. None of that means anything. There's a crazy people probably wrong.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: You know they saw the thing and then made up stories about it.
Cristina: Yeah. How do we trust this person? I don't know.
Jack: Who cares? None of this information could be proven. We have basically a bunch of separate pieces of information that complete an image. And none of them are complete sets of information. So the image goes as follows. We have the witnesses that said nothing on record, but spoke with the other workers that are the whistleblowers but they're.
Cristina: Not calling these people the whistleblowers.
Jack: No. Because they never went on record and said anything. They're telling us. The whistleblowers are telling us about things that they heard from where they work and the few things they saw which can't be confirmed except for one of them that actually worked on this technology that's absolutely too advanced. And the others are people who never went on record and worked with, Saw interacted with something.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Unspecified. And the assumption that there were aliens based on crash sites must result in bodies. And then the belief that. Yes, we've heard mentions that there are things like that here. Now, I don't know if I mentioned this while talking about this. It escapes me right now. But it's very important that when we talk about. Oh, we're in contact with them and we've not necessarily in contact with them, but we've known of them. When we talk about this, it's very important to know something crucial. These secret agencies that are tracking this stuff have not in any way told Congress until recently. So the highest branches of our government had no knowledge at all that this was even taken place.
Cristina: Who knew about it?
Jack: The facilities that were running these things, the central.
Cristina: But they're part of the government.
Jack: They're part of the government, but they're not Congress, the highest form of our government. There were sections of our government withholding information from the people's government.
Cristina: But the guy who was telling us to that the aliens were nice and everything. He's part of the government.
Jack: He's part of this, part of the hype. He's. He's adjacent to Congress people. It's important government information.
Cristina: Is he somehow related to, to the other three people who came out?
Jack: No.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: No, he's not. These are all different groups of people, all government agents one way or another. But the, the whistleblowers aren't directly from the government. It's government agencies. It's like third party groups that work exclusively for the government or whatever. Like the CIA. I guess the FBI is really just like. But I guess that's, that's an agency of its own. Right? Is that a government agency?
Cristina: I don't know. They all sound like government.
Jack: I guess. They're all just government agencies. Whatever. What is these government agencies that were doing it, but the information was being kept from the highest forms of our government and they had no access to it or knowledge that this was even going on. It was kept away from them because risk factors or whatever. And that's another Part of this problem. So now this is told to us not by the whistleblowers, this is told to us by this guy who changed his name from what UAP means. The guy, the actual guy who still works for the government comes out and says that these agencies had never told Congress about this.
Cristina: I can't. Can you repeat it again? I can't. I can't just. I can't memorize it. It's so annoying.
Jack: What, the order of events?
Cristina: No, the name of the. The New name for UFOs.
Jack: Unidentified aerial phenomenon. Unidentified Anomalous Phenomenon.
Cristina: Phenomenon. Okay.
Jack: Unidentified Anomalous phenomena. But it's because, like they've said, you've seen some of these older videos. I'm discussing these people, this, these contraptions, these machines, ships, these vessels going from water to land seamlessly, no slowing pace, almost undisturbed.
Cristina: You know, the new name. You know the new name doesn't have extraterrestrial in it, right? Like, it's not. It doesn't mean that. That's from a different planet. Whatever this thing is, it's just an unknown on land.
Jack: It could just. It's not from our land.
Cristina: It's not from our land.
Jack: Yeah, but that's always what it's meant.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Never meant from space.
Cristina: It's extraterrestrial.
Jack: Yeah, we think.
Cristina: Yes, but because we're just calling this thing without that word in it. I don't know.
Jack: It's the same. No, it's the same idea of like saying unidentified aerial Phenomenon. Like you're not really thinking a floating alien. You're thinking machine. But what you're describing is the same.
Cristina: They go in and out of water like nothing, right? Yeah, we know a thing that lives in the water with high technology.
Jack: Yeah, we know. I know.
Cristina: Like, it could be them.
Jack: Yeah, it's them. Okay, it's them. It's obviously them, okay? Like, whatever anybody thinks is going on. And if they're organized, they're organized. You're telling me this is organized group of people who is more organized than the f****** Atlanteans? Organized with the height of every major civilization, not just intellectually and communally, but literally organize them along an invisible line. So just masters of just. We're gonna super organize. We're gonna organize s*** that doesn't need to be organized. We're just organize all of it. That's just what they do. And where do they go? They chill in the f****** water. But where do they also chill?
Cristina: Around the water?
Jack: They're always around the water, go in and out of it. Seamlessly. And the other place they go is the sky. Where's the other place we see the Atlanteans showing up from? It's all consistent. It all checks out. It's. It's a group of people. Like, it's obviously the Atlanteans.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: The people don't know it's the Atlanteans, but it's the Atlantis.
Cristina: Yes. So the Atlanteans are finally communicating. Communicating with our government.
Jack: No, it's just. We're just coming clean about the fact that we've caught crashed Atlantean ships and we have Atlantean bodies. The idea here is that maybe what's happening is they look nothing like we thought they did.
Cristina: But they know that it's not aliens.
Jack: They would know it's not aliens.
Cristina: They would know it's not aliens.
Jack: They, they. If the, the releasing of the information is because of some crucial amount of information is because they're gonna tell us it was never aliens, it's us. There's no aliens. It's just us. So they feel safer and more comfortable in the information.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: To disclose it to the mass public. Oh, no. It's a different human civilization.
Cristina: Yeah. That's why they don't have to say it's aliens. They never have to say that because in, in a way it's not. But they could claim that it's. Oh, it could be our enemy or whatever, you know, it could be.
Jack: Could be an issue.
Cristina: Yeah, but.
Jack: But it's definitely the Atlanteans. It has to be. It has to be. Now the alternative here is. And we've. We stumbled upon this same idea at the end of when we were talking about. And went through that entire series about that started at unicorns that ended at. Quite definitely. Everything links back to the Atlanteans, including this, which is a totally unrelated series. But the Atlanteans and the fact that they're one group of people, and maybe not the most developed one, because we still don't know if the Atlanteans are the same as the civilization with the oldest tools 2.5 million years ago. Because it's not the sapiens. The sapiens weren't. No. The sapiens developed tools a hundred thousand years ago.
Cristina: Why wouldn't it be the Atlanteans?
Jack: I guess they were sapiens, but different. Something different.
Cristina: Exactly.
Jack: No. Well, the idea is, were those the Atlanteans and the Atlanteans aren't human like we are. They were never. If it is the Atlanteans and the Atlanteans aren't like we are. That checks out. They are those people. But if the Atlanteans are supposed to be human somehow, then. Then again, maybe not. Maybe they're just earthlings. And there's always been this other not human but humanoid thing.
Cristina: It's a humanoid thing. It's.
Jack: And they're very close. Yeah, they're very close. There's a gene.
Cristina: Ancestors.
Jack: Yes. We connect and they just developed way long. Faster.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But like if we're around for a million years, we're gonna see some other s*** get to where we are now when we're way out. Right. Like. Yeah, obviously.
Cristina: Yeah, I think so. I think it's. I think that's what it is. I think that's what we're looking at.
Jack: So we thought aliens. It was too advanced. It's coming out of the water, usually around the suspected area. Same s***. Yeah. Yeah. We know who it is. Everything can expect.
Cristina: Exactly.
Jack: But are they the good guys? Because the other thing is the fact that everything. Everything innocent and curious leads back to the Atlanteans. Everything dark and twisted always leads back to adrenochrome. That's. That's really what's happening. And we're not even really leading back to the Atlanteans. They just have access to two really, really important things. One, unicorns. But I don't even think that really has to do with them as much as a mountain that just happens to have unicorns. And it's a mountain that seems to be frequented by the Atlanteans that they happen to have technology to modify horses with which we established. But that's their thing. Unicorns. And there's something about unicorn blood.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: That is equal but opposite to adrenochrome. And everything leads to those two things somehow. Except I also don't think it has to do with. A lot. Has to do with unicorn blood. A lot. And a lot has to do with adrenochrome. But a surprising amount of it is somehow circling whatever. The Garden of Eden. That technology really is weird. All of that. All of that. But the important thing is that. Yes, the entire time I was going through this, this is exactly what I had in mind. It is that when that it was the Atlanteans. It's a hundred percent the Atlantis. The seamless in and out of water.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: The fact that any time we're discussing these creatures. Always humanoid. Did they have to.
Cristina: But they never said it was humanoid. You never gave.
Jack: No. All the bits of it. Keep in mind how all the information we have with the Roswell crash, the ship retrieved during the Cold War, all this kind of stuff like this. Grays. Oh, yeah. They're just like. Maybe Atlanteans look really strange.
Cristina: They probably do if they live underwater.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Because it's dark down there.
Jack: Yeah. And maybe they're more scaly or something.
Cristina: Yeah. They gotta evolve.
Jack: Yeah. Over a crazy amount of time. A million years. A million. Just 1.5 million years. And how advanced is the civilization? We're only a hundred thousand into us figuring out tools and language. Only a hundred thousand years into figuring out tools and language. Humans as we know them today. Whoa. Do you imagine if 2.5 million years ago we had accomplished where we are not actually where we were 100,000 years ago. And we still have 2.4 million years to go right now. We still have 2.4 million years to go to catch up.
Cristina: That's crazy, man. I wonder what that does mean to their evolution. Like, do they look kind of like fish people? Do they have skills? He.
Jack: Well, here's another problem.
Cristina: They probably do have dark eyes.
Jack: No, listen to me. Here's another problem. Here's another problem. It could he. Oh, man. Okay, okay, okay. This became about. This was about aliens and just returned to something. It just tied back. It tied back.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But let's be real. I was. I've had so many thoughts since we did those episodes about this subject, about the Atlanteans. I've really thought about this. I don't know why this all connects. I know we do this research and we joke around. Around and make the connections and whatever, but the pattern just persisted so hard.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: That the Atlanteans. Man. I don't think that the same people that were highly advanced or made the tools 2.5 million years ago. Really? Really. I don't think that's the same people that are the Atlantis. Because the Atlanteans were a threat, but still a person you could threaten to some degree. They could. They could be concerned about things when we were finding out about them in the biblical times, areas they conquered in the future. That wasn't even that long ago. 1700s. Not that long ago. So we have the Atlanteans not being godly.
Cristina: What if their evolution isn't as advanced as we thought they were? Like. Yes, advanced to us, but, like their evolution was slower than us at the same time.
Jack: Like the human factors that we keep.
Cristina: Yes. Like our evolution in the same amount of time.
Jack: It would be nuts.
Cristina: Yes, that's what I'm saying.
Jack: Like we're catching up.
Cristina: Yeah, like they. Yes, they had more time, but if we had the same time it wouldn't look the same.
Jack: It would be monstrously advanced.
Cristina: Yeah, that's because that would make that make sense.
Jack: That would make that make sense. And that seems to be what the advantage we have over other creatures on Earth. It would absolutely make sense that if 2.5 million years ago, a civilization had just established tools, then it took us 100,000 years to get to where we are. And we can explore local planet. Really difficult. That's our super extreme task. We can explore a really close planet and it's really, really hard. But only 100,000 years in how long like are they still bound the Earth? Are they still bound to our local system? They're not really going too far. Maybe they're in one or two planets. In that level of technology we can detect you, we can find you. We're kind of catching up technologically now.
Cristina: I think so.
Jack: So in a 200000 year period, we're more advanced than a 2.5 million year.
Cristina: Yes. They have something that are way more advanced than us, but they've had way.
Jack: More time doing that slowly.
Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So.
Jack: So it's a civil.
Cristina: And look in this kind of helped us evolve too.
Jack: Look, this is actually the trick. I think you found a missing link of information for this. I think you found something because this would explain a lot. If we're assuming we're all moving at the same pace. It doesn't work. No, but if they were advanced this far long ago, then throughout the millions of years they evolved and did their things. And then we come around and it's our ancient times, but they bring us up with the knowledge they have. But we're also the creature that speeds things up. That's our thing.
Cristina: We got it, we understood it. We were catching up.
Jack: Maybe not even necessarily. But look, you teach your children, your children will teach their children. You're gonna know way too early. You guys are gonna be masters of the thing and then be able to do the thing you guys do. And then we're doing the things we guys do. Yeah, we've been doing it.
Cristina: Exactly. That makes a lot of sense.
Jack: In that instance, he could both be that old civilization and have still been the civilization that was still crazy advanced. But like a giant colossal earthly problem could make you want to get the f*** out of somewhere.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Giant flood. Oh yeah, we got evacuate. This is dangerous. It doesn't matter how advanced we are. They're not planet destroying advanced because Slow progress. They're not human. We are. They're close. But we got that thing, whatever that.
Cristina: We might have that thing. I think we might have that thing.
Jack: We have it. As compared to everything else on Earth. Yeah, we have that thing.
Cristina: So we might compare to them.
Jack: Plants are the slowest planners. They take millions of years to make the slowest increments of evolutionary progress. They'll adapt to an area almost instantaneous, simultaneously. That's fine. Adapting systems like the bird has to eat the thing. Then the thing develops in the bird. Bird s**** it, the fish eats it, the thing. You know, the crap like that. All those kinds of weird plant cycles, like figuring out how to float away pollen so it lands way the h*** down there. And then you keep reproducing that way. Weird things like that takes millions of years. Only us as human. Humans have invented a phone that isn't connected to a wall 30 years ago. And now we went from that phone, makes a call to, I can send a signal into space, bounce it off of a piece of metal that I put up there. It'll bounce to another piece of metal and fling back down in the other side of the world instantaneously. See, like 30 years. How long could it have taken an Atlantean to accomplish the same thing? They had the time. They're way more advanced than we are by miles. But we're catching up.
Cristina: Yes. I think. I think we thought, oh, my God.
Jack: That's why they've seemed the same. And that effect is also godly. They were like God as compared to us way long ago. But as we caught up, they've looked, oh, no. They're just, you know, the special kind of human. And you get a little closer technologically. Again. No, they're people. We get a little closer technologically. Again. No, you just evolved the way we did. They just had more time.
Cristina: That's why we could actually figure out their technology. It's not that alien after all.
Jack: It's not that alien. Interesting. It's earthly technology. And what we're seeing is a bunch of Atlanteans. Yep. It checks out. I was thinking. I didn't know all this other information, but I was thinking it was definitely Atlanteans.
Cristina: You were?
Jack: I was seeing the whole coming in and out of the water thing. I thought that was really, really strange. Very weird. I found the fact that we are actively including that it is now everything, whether on ground or water or land or whatever.
Cristina: Yeah, that description is really important.
Jack: It was so, like, Yeah. You specifically took Ariel out Because it's not about the sky. That sounds too obvious. And the fact that they're very comfortable sharing information. Why? Why would changed, bro. I know we didn't just suddenly have some crazy scientific breakthrough and are gonna make contact with them and be taken into the. We're not. No. We're nowhere near that. I don't care how much tech you've been hiding from us, you ain't there. So then what is it? You found out something that made you go, oh, this is fine. This ain't a problem.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So what was it? It was some crap that just deflated the issue. Oh. We've been seeing thousands. We've been horrified for years. Tens of dozens of years. Oh my God. Oh, it was just other creatures that evolved on Earth. They could probably put a though.
Cristina: Yeah. Oh yeah. I went from.
Jack: You're not.
Cristina: We don't know. We're horrified to. We gotta. We need a space force to protect us.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: They're peaceful.
Jack: Oh yeah, it's peaceful. It went from we need society to help us figure this problem out. We don't know what they are. And we need a space force. There's stuff out here too. Yeah, let's change the terms. They're nice. It's all cool. We need to stop the like being militarized. Surprised? It's like, get the out of here, bro. You guys found some out what they're gonna be like. It's new info. Nah, you've known so much.
Cristina: Crazy.
Jack: Crazy a** UAPs. I guess not UFOs anymore. UAPs.
Cristina: I'm never gonna remember that. It's so dumb. I don't like it. It.
Jack: I don't like it. Well, we're used to ufo.
Cristina: We're just used to it.
Jack: Yeah, we'll get used to uapo.
Cristina: Kind of sounds silly. So.
Jack: Yeah, it's. It's. I mean it's an acronym. It's whatever. It's not cool or lame. It's neutral.
Cristina: What if we say that instead? Yeah. No, that's awful. That's so awful. Well, that was awesome.
Jack: Yeah. That was. The important details at least the things that matter. The pressing issues. So, okay, you guys, you can contact us. Tell us about all the stuff. Tell us about what you think about these. It's. I mean, it's obvious.
Cristina: These not very alien.
Jack: These definitely earthling creatures in ships coming in and out of water. Usually the Atlantic Ocean. You tell me who you think that might be or what you tell me what you think that might be. Might be.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: You know, you guys fill us in. And you can do that on our socials. Just Convopod. That's on TikTok, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, wherever you'd like.
Cristina: Remember to subscribe and rate the show and review and review it.
Jack: Yeah, review it, too. Yeah.
Cristina: Sweet. You haven't done those things.
Jack: And be sure to listen to episodes related to this subject. We have two recent episodes about you UFOs. We have many episodes about aliens. We have a clusterfuck of episodes about the Atlanteans and unicorns and Adrenochrome and what Adrenochrome relates to that happens to be the shadow realm.
Cristina: So anything.
Jack: And yeah, there's a lot. There's a web of things. We've successfully tied so much of the craziest things you've ever heard together. So go look.
Cristina: Let someone who might like this show know about it.
Jack: Yes, the power of word of mouth is great.
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