Rambling 302: How Was 2024?

What was memorable about 2024? What was Israel’s role last year and why? Are elites screwed? The duo talk about the events of 2024 that stood out to them and attempt to add context and ground those events. 

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  • Diddy Parties
  • Jersey Drones
  • Olympic Break Dance
  • American Presidential Elections
  • Israel and Jews
  • Drake v Kendrick Rap Beef

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Rambling 302: How Was 2024? Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised. Jack: Going live in 5, 4. Cristina: What does live mean? Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack. Cristina: And I'm your host, Cristina. Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And so we're gonna. That. Because that's our job. Cristina: We're. Jack: We're essentially. Yeah. Cristina: We're what we get paid for, as. Jack: We get paid for. We're reporters of. Of the cosmos and data and. And junk and stuff. A lot of junk and stuff. And I know we've been on the Luigi case and how that connects to all the. The elites freaking out. But because of that, we never got to, like, do a gear review. So I figured we could just quickly talk about some of the things that was cool about last year. Cristina: Really? Jack: Yeah. Cristina: I can only think of, like, the past few months. Jack: What happened in the last few months that caught your attention? Cristina: Not the last few months, but, like, I guess recent things that have happened. Like the whole thing with our president and, like, Trump coming into office, but, like, everything leading up to that. Jack: What things happened leading up to that? You mean all the multiple assassination attempts that happened to this. Cristina: That is a big thing. That's kind of crazy. Also all those videos of Kamala Harris making fun of her and the weird things that she said. Said throughout that whole thing. Jack: Okay. Politically speaking, it was really just their. Cristina: First debate of Trump and Biden, even before Kamala. Kamala came into the picture. Like, I guess that politically was all the most recent thing that's happened this year. Well, not this year. Last year. Jack: Yeah, towards the. I mean, it was a weird. I mean. Right. So everything happens, and it leads to this obvious moment where we have the largest red wave that has ever happened, I believe, in history, where pretty much everybody just turned and was like, the left is psychotic and the Democrats are psychotic and the progressives are psychotic. And like, oh, no, the Republicans and the conservatives and the right wingers, they are at least fighting in the side of the right. People just in general decided that, you know, but here's the issue. I was actually thinking about this. I was having this very thought, I think last night. I'm not entirely sure where I was really considering this huge red wave that's happened. And, like, where is the straw that broke the camel's back? Right. And I think really, really, really it happened around the. The gender people. That's. I think that's where it all went wrong. Around the gender people, the kids who are like claiming the term trans, which doesn't make any sense. Anybody listening to this who's claiming to be trans? You haven't transitioned through anything gen. Not like you could identify whatever. But you're using the wrong terminology to describe, like, a person who was trans had to transition. That was what it meant. And that's the definition. You guys aren't stealing it the same way. I still don't refer to, like. I'll say gay because it makes sense, but I don't define that word as homosexual. That's still being happy. I mean, you can't steal words and choose your definition for them. That's ridiculous. But that being said, the Alphabet people, AKA the trans community, but not the actual trans community, but the fake trans, because the real trans community is men who became women or women who became men. Cristina: What does this speak? Jack: They are just a gender people. That's it. Cristina: People that like, yeah, I'm weird and. Jack: I'm like a woman even if I'm male. And I'm like, what? Oh, yeah, cool. Whatever. You could believe or be whatever the h*** you want to be, but you're using the wrong terminology. Trans is not what you are. That's a ridiculous use of something that you have not done. But they broke the camel's back. Nobody had a problem with gays and lesbians. Nobody had a problem with transvestites. Nobody had a problem with transsexuals. Nobody had a problem with any of these things. People had a problem with forcing them to partake. In your universe, the only people who tried that were the gender people. They were the only 00:05:00 Jack: one trying to force other people to partake. And you're doing that in the wrong country. The country of we do whatever we want, not whatever the f*** you tell me to, is not where you come and tell somebody to do something again. Cristina: Okay? Jack: That's gays and lesbians, transsexuals and transvestites. Whatever, do what you want. You could do whatever you want because it's the United States of America. You do whatever you want. But just like that, everybody gets to do whatever they want. Cristina: Reminds me of them bringing it to school or something. That weird thing that was happening. I don't know if that was a real thing. Jack: What? Trans. Not. What is it? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: Drag queen reading time or whatever. Cristina: Oh, yes. But they were also dancing. Jack: Yes. Cristina: Like, what was that? Jack: Here is an interesting thing that me and friends of mine who are, I don't know many transgender. Not transgenders, transsexuals. But I know Some people who enjoy dressing like women, and when it came down to it, they didn't stand by that either. That was some weird thing that happened with the gender people. Like, they started taking facets of all the other. First they forced their way into the Alphabet. Essentially, LGBT was all that it was. It was three people telling you what they're interested in sexually, and then two people on the T telling you that either they have fully transitioned or enjoy dressing like the other part. That's the LGB and the T. The lesbian, the gay, the bisexual, and the transsexuals and transgenders. I mean, the transsexuals and transvestites. That's what those letters meant. And those individuals just wanted to be left alone and be accepted within society. They don't want to be special. No special treatment. Just let me do what I want to do. None of them were ever forcing anybody else to do it. When the T started to warp into a weird general thing that included things that are happening in your head and not in your body, suddenly forcing it on other people was in all parts of it. It's not. It began with call me. My pronouns. I'm forcing you to do something. But then it's like, no, no, no, you have to, because we're gonna put it in the laws. And, oh, no, anybody who wants you to play along, you have to do that. And also, I'm going to. This is just a bunch of continuous different areas of society where they kept trying to force other people to do it. And then you entered the schools and tried to force through the kids because we can't get the adults. We're going to train you small, but, ooh, ooh, you f***** it up. You got you. We were tolerant. We didn't like it. But it's like, whatever, America. Do whatever the f*** you want. You're not going to really make us call you anything, but whatever. You can scream at us if you want. You got the right to do that. I got the right to ignore you. It's when you entered the school and I saw a While ago on TikTok that is no longer gonna be with us, Rip. But who cares? Everybody moved to the other platform already. I saw a lesbian who began talking from the. From that perspective. I was watch. It must have been like a year ago where they were like, you guys are starting to cross a lesbian talking to the gender people. You guys are starting to cross a line where you've. You've essentially attacked the kids, and you're gonna undo everything that the rest of us have worked for, which is just to be accepted. Now they're starting to look at us like we're all like you because you're using our letters. You're messing up what we have worked to accomplish because you're trying to target children and forced adults. And it's like, well, a year later, that got proven, and now I. The problem is, as an Andrew Tate incel might explain, if a hoe has a friend and you are looking at the friend who's friends with a hoe, you're gonna associate and say, they're both hoes, right? That's kind of the logic one of these guys would use. It's who she's around. She might be the normal girl, but one chick surrounded by hoes must be, you know, the stupid logic they would apply. That kind of applies here in how society is working. First, they took your letters, and then you guys welcomed them, which is fine, except when it went bad, you 00:10:00 Jack: had already allowed them into your circle. So when they're looking at who to blame, you look like a hoe. They're a hoe. You're a hoe. You were all hoeing together. Maybe you weren't, but who's gonna try to find out which one of them isn't the hoe? Cristina: Okay? Jack: And so society is looking at, well, lgbtq. You guys allowed them there. Now, that's one label. You guys fell under the same label, and you didn't fight it off at the be. You let them. So now you decided to identify with them. And then s*** went wrong, and you wanted to separate yourself. You want the LGB to remove itself, but you didn't do that when it was good. You were consuming the benefits of their work. You didn't make a stand to differentiate. You only making the stand now that it's hurting your previous progress. Even if it was wrong to begin with. You're only making the stand out. So to everybody else, you're just another hoe. And as we strip the rights from them, yours are gonna be f****** gone too. It's very sad, and that f****** sucks. But you kind of stood next to that hoe so long, everybody thought you were a hoe too. And, like, d***, that sucks. But you guys kind of didn't dismiss them the way everybody else did. And I kind of. You chose to stand by them. Now you're not, and I acknowledge that. And look, I am still kind of on their side on that. You should be able to dress and get. You should. You can't make anybody call you s***. Yeah, you should be. You, you can't get anybody to call you anything. That's ridiculous. You're not gonna do that. Oh, don't misgender. Shut the f*** up. You're gonna get misgendered anytime I want you to get misgendered. But you have a right to feel however you feel inside. And you can identify as whatever the f*** you want to identify. Nobody can take that away from you a hundred billion percent. You're allowed that, but you can't make anybody else. And I'm on their side with that. But they're all gonna take the hit now because you know, you were hoeing together and we now people are recoiling and you know you're gonna get the f*** out of the bathroom. The bathroom thing doesn't f****** make sense. It doesn't went. What stops a guy right now looking like a normal dude going into the woman's bathroom? Yeah, you could just literally walk into a woman's bathroom right now. I don't get that f****** reasoning. That one's dumb. I understand if a little girl, when you put it in, when you add context to it, it suddenly gets a little darker. A little girl and a grown man only go into the bathroom. Now you got a problem. Cristina: If a little. If a dad takes his daughter to a bathroom, should he take her to the girl's bathroom or the guy's bathroom or is it appropriate? Jack: It doesn't matter. Cristina: Where does he go? Jack: He's taking her to a stall regardless. Cristina: Yes, but isn't it look bad either way? Jack: No, it gets bad. The only time it really gets bad. And this is the only side of this argument that the people against it. See, your 11 year old daughter knows how to use the bathroom alone. Mom, I'm going to the bathroom. Grown 45 year old man also goes into that bathroom and nobody else is in there. Yeah, you see, he doesn't have to be doing anything. There's a 45 year old man around your 11 year old daughter when she's removing her pants. That's all you need to know. Yeah, that kind of f****** sucks. That's not happening now on those grounds alone. Oh, but I'm allowed to do. I get it, bro, but you can't just think of you exclusively. Cristina: You have to think of people do though. Jack: Yeah. And they're like oh, I should be allowed to. You should. Yeah, you should. But the same way, and I say this knowing the backlash that's about to happen, women do have to dress a certain kind of way. Not because it's right. That they should dress a certain way, but also well know your audience, know where the f*** you're around, and know that guys are monsters. So, like, don't be at a party, super skimpy dress and be shocked that some dude is f****** groping on you because you kind of look like the part of the person who would, you know, and that sucks. And definitely don't blame the chick when the guy does the wrong thing. But also she was there kind of portraying the thing. So it's part of he's a monster and she's kind of an idiot. That's kind of where it lands. Not she did something wrong. No, she did something stupid. He did something wrong, but she did something stupid. The argument is, do you trust going to the hood, any hood, pick a hood, and putting $10,000 on the floor, going to the store, buying something and coming back to get your $10,000. 00:15:00 Jack: The same way you wouldn't be half naked around people who want to rape you. Cristina: Could you do that in other places? You're saying only in the hood? Jack: No, I'm just giving you, I'm just giving you the most obvious location. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Because the argument would be yes, but also you could be in the middle of daylight in a city, walking down a city block, and how many videos are there of some dude just jumping on a woman, trying to rape her right there in front. Like, yes, it could happen anywhere. Cristina: Yes. Jack: But in the obvious situation when it would happen now it's kind of. You're doing something dumb too. If it just happened and you're anywhere. F***. Society sucks. Like people are monsters. Cristina: Reminds me of something from 2024 whole would you want to go into the woods with a bear or a man or something? Jack: It's funny because this falls into the same thing, right? This is the other side of that coin. 2024 was the peak and the collapse of women on women superior to men. We've. We're seeing whatever the f*** they're claiming is feminism, which is really feminazism. We're seeing that fall apart now because a bunch of incel type dudes have just opted into not dating women at all. And the men who are kind of soft but kind of, you know, pool chicks anyways, are opting into. We're going to be in our, what is it, the soft guy phase or whatever the s*** was happening. So women were like, oh, the bear. Like, you know what? We're only going to be taking the bros out from now on and we're not going to be talking to You. You want to talk to us, you can approach us, and you have to ask us out, which means you got to pay for the dinner or don't get dinner. I'll go take my homie out. So a bunch of that happening sounds pretty cool. Mm. But I don't know. It's weird. I don't know. It's weird. 2024 was the end of a lot of weird things. I do think. I do think real feminists spoke up. Cristina: Mm. For what? Jack: Just in general. Just in general. So many women are like, look, I don't. I want to be taken care of. And, like, I don't want to f****** work. And, you know, a lot of. Not femme. I guess that one isn't a feminist. Yeah, it depends. It depends. That's still. That's still feminism. When the woman wants an equal role, although different. The problem is feminism got corrupted by the we can do everything men could do. You literally have less physical mass on a biological scale. We have hundreds of thousands of years of spatial development in males and emotional development in females. Interpersonally speaking, you are. We are not the same. Cristina: Yeah, but we want to do the same thing, but better. But it should just be. We want. We would like to do the same things. Jack: You would. Yeah, exactly. You would like to do the same things. Cristina: That's it. Jack: No man could do a thing. A woman developed naturally to do better than a woman. There's no man who could do that. There's also no woman who could do anything. A man is naturally more able to end. Yes. There are outliers for those of you out there who just thought of some specific instance, and it's like, oh, what about this celebrity or the super athlete? And it's like, that's why they're a f****** celebrity and a f****** super athlete. No s***. Pick out the exceptions in general, the rule would be. Is what I'm talking about. And yeah, like, there's no instance in which a guy is gonna best a woman at women things. The problem is there's also weird lines about what those things are. It's funny to say, b****, get in the kitchen. It's like, bro, pull back. Men were the kitchen. Men were the kitchen for so f****** long that even in the worst of scenarios, the man is the better chef always. But that's because he had to hunt the food and he had to make sure the food didn't rot on the way back. So they had to cook the food. You bring the food ready. That all happened on the trip. The women were social interaction and safety in numbers and structure. It was the mental development. Food had nothing to do with it. That was part of body, which was part of the father's job. Now in society, these logical things most people don't know and are f****** stupid. Many guys will say, b****, get in the kitchen. That guy does not know anything about life. He's just saying dumb, ignorant crap. Because women can easily be like, b****, get in the kitchen. Because biologically, that was our role. Cristina: Interesting. Jack: We were literally the. Go get me some food, bro. 00:20:00 Jack: And we would be like, yeah, I guess. I mean, I'm gonna starve too if I don't. So I guess I gotta go get the food. Cristina: That reminds me of the Olympics though. That happened. That was really funny. Reminds me of the breakdown. Yes. Yes. That's what I'm thinking about. Oh, my God. What's her name? X ray, Something like that. I don't know. Jack: Yeah. Oh my God. Cristina: She could dance as good as a man, right? Jack: That was 2024, wasn't that. Cristina: I feel like that was early this year, right? Jack: Maybe. Maybe I know that they were. Cristina: Or was it last winter? Jack: Well, I remember it at least. A scandal happened in 2024 where we learned about. I don't know if I was. Yeah, I think. I think The Olympics happened 24. I don't know. I don't follow. Cristina: And then that man and lady shooter. Jack: Yeah, it was 2024. Yeah. Oh, you talking about the two dope shooters. The guy who was just fire and the chick who looked like an anime character. Yeah. Those people have been memed to death. Cristina: There was some cool stuff from the Olympics. Jack: Yeah, it Sports that normally get completely ignored, but the fact that this guy had no tools. Everybody showed up with a thousand gadgets. He just freeballed it. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Just one eye. Not even. He didn't even close an eye. He just. Straight up. That's crazy. Yeah. Nuts how this dude's been shooting too much. It's just natural in his hand. He knows what it's gonna hit. Cristina: What does he do outside the Olympics? Jack: I bet he's some super spec ops individual. And nobody, nobody would know because that's exactly. You know, he's like, probably real life John Wick. Cristina: No way. In the Olympics, he. Jack: Why would they know about his secret life? I guess he's just. Dude, as far as the books show, I don't know crap about him. Meanwhile, he goes home, changes into a suit, kills 35 guys in a hallway with a. With a toothbrush or something. You know, it's just easy. He's leaving the Bathroom. A mob of guys is trying to kill him and all he had is the toothbrush. But man, did they regret him having that in his hand, you know? But no, that was cool. And the. The Asian chick with the. Cristina: The video, she looked like a video game character. Jack: Like a video game. What were these people's name? Oh, Yousef is one. That's the guy who was the other one. Yusuf. And what. Cristina: When. What year was that? Olympics. So, I mean, you said it was last year, but that was. That was the winter Olympics, right? Jack: Yeah, I don't know if it was Winter Olympics, but Kim Yeji, that's the other one, Yusuf. And Yeji, Yeji was the anime like character individual. Probably the coolest looking man. Crazy, crazy, crazy. Cristina: You show me. Yeah. Jack: Main character energy, bro. Yep. Cristina: Well, both of them had main character. Jack: Both had main character energy. My dude just free eyed it. Bro is so crazy. Come on. Are you kidding me, dude? He's so like. What? He must be some spec ops murderer. That's too casual, bro. No, she had gear. She's an Olympic participant. Cristina: And you don't think he is? Jack: Everybody else wears what she's wearing. Some variation of it to help shooting. This dude showed up with nothing but his regular life glasses. Cristina: Look up what he does for a living. See if what. See what Google says he does. Jack: Just a normal shooter. It says here. Cristina: Yep, just a shooter. Jack: Just a normal dude. Cristina: Okay, Yeji. Jack: No, that's not Yeji. His name is Yusuf. Yeji is a chick. Cristina: Oh, okay. What a year. What else do I remember? The whole Drake and Kendrick thing happened. Jack: Oh, my God. Oh, oh my God. I got so over that. Cristina: Yeah, but that did happen. Jack: That did happen. Cristina: It was ended with Kendrick winning and then getting the spot in the super bowl and then what's his name? Lil Wayne. Being very sad about it. Jack: Yeah. Going on many shows, talking crap about I should have been mine, boohoo. And then when. When Kendrick calls you out on that, he's all like, what did I do? It's like, come on, bro, don't tell me you don't remember complaining everywhere about some s*** instead of congratulating the homie. Cristina: Mm. So that was an 00:25:00 Cristina: interesting part of the year, though. Jack: Yeah, it was good while it was. While it happened. But the problem is it didn't. Oh, God. It did not go away. It's kind of like when Eminem first worked with Rihanna. Beautiful lie or love the way you lie or whatever the h*** the song was. Cristina: Just heard that song over and over. Jack: And over, and the song just played almost on A loop on the radio. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And it's like people and TV and everything. Everything, everything, everything. Was talking about. Well, not talking about it, Playing it. It was everywhere. So prominently, so prominently inescapable. That felt like this beef. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Where everybody was talking about it all the time, indefinitely. Everybody had a take, and you couldn't go on the Internet without some crap related to it trending. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And it was like watching a novella or some crap, man. Cristina: It was fun. It was fun, though. Jack: Yeah, it was fun. It was definitely an interesting battle. Probably one of the greatest battles of all time. Cristina: Mm. Jack: And definitely a forced Drake with Family Matters to create the most comprehensive work he's ever done. And I would argue that his most artistically honest, to himself, work Is the Heart, Part 6. Because he, for the first time, released a piece of. I genuinely consider it art. Because he released a piece admitting to his confusion in a conflicted emotion while also still trying to keep up a front, which is the art, you know? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: He's saying, like, no, I plotted this, but also I feel uncomfortable about where this is going and, like, all these facets of, like, I'm here by my own doing, but I don't like where I am. Cristina: Interesting. Jack: And, like, whoa. Honest, bro. Weird and honest. Cristina: Yep. And we learned that he couldn't have been a pedal because he's too rich for that. Jack: Wow. Yeah. Cristina: It was a lot of. It was a learning experience. We learned a lot about them, too. Jack: We learned that Hendrik is kind of an actual monster. I mean, he's a hood dude, so you know who hood dudes do. Cristina: If you thought that was a character. Jack: Yeah, I know. He got serious about and, like, what's. Is the talking about the little girl and then revealing to the world the existence of the little girl. And it's like, then the Internet, because that's a problem. If it's just a different era and you say this out loud, whatever you know the most as reporters will be annoying. But you say in the era of the Internet, within a week, they found the lady, they found the girl. Now, the complicated part about that very scenario in that story is that the lady they found seemed to be well off and not doing anything herself to be well off. So she came from a rich family, which means the kid was fine anyway. Or Drake was always taking care of the kid and keeping her out of the light the way Kendrick does with his f****** family, which would then make Kendrick a bit of a hypocrite. But he didn't care about that. He was saying straight out, you don't know how to play hood games. Don't try to play hood with me. And then Drake was like, no, no, no, no. I'm more hood than you'll ever be. And then Kendrick is like, well, let's see how that looks. And then he just dragged this little girl in. It's like, your reputation's forever. Let's play that game. I'm hood. Hood. Your s***'s f***** forever. Let's play that game. Even if everything comes out as a lie, people are not. Not everybody's gonna hear that you're pedophile somebody until the day you die. Cristina: Yeah. Also, if it's not true, if you take care of that girl, too bad. Jack: Now they know you were hiding her. Cristina: Yep. Jack: You were hiding the girl. Who cares? Who cares if you were taking care of her? Now she's out there. Now you got another problem on your hands. Oh, I just create a problem for you. Your s***. Cristina: The pedal thing is a big problem. Bigger problem. Jack: The pedo think is a bigger problem. And fandom is psychotic. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Like Drake isn't safe. No, he needs bodyguards forever now. That's it. He just needs bodyguards forever now. He before had to work, you know, still danger, but it was more the fame that was a problem. And people annoying you as a celebrity. No, Drake has to live in fear now. There are people who think you're a pedo, think you're pedo celebrity. There are people who are immediately associating you with Diddy and Epstein. That's just part of your life now. Cristina: Diddy's thing. Part of. Is there pedal stuff happening with that? I don't even know. Jack: I don't know. But he's immediately a celebrity who's called pedophile. So, like, that's immediate association to Epstein, Immediate association to Diddy, whether 00:30:00 Jack: or not it's true. Maybe it's not. Cristina: Wild. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: That's all I remember from last year. Jack: Well, the Diddy thing was from last year too. Cristina: What Diddy thing? Oh, yes. Jack: Yeah. All the pedophilia and his. The video of him beating that lady. Cristina: Parties or freaky parties. Jack: I don't know if him chasing that lady down the hallway. Cristina: That's his girlfriend or something. Jack: Yeah. I think being super abusive. And that opened the floodgates to where a bunch of people started saying crazy. Cristina: I don't know what else, though. We recently talked about Diddy, though. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: And also Luigi and also the fires and like, those. That's all super recent. And the drones. Jack: The drones, yeah. Cristina: That was also something like what happened Last year. That's not. I mean, so close to this to right now. Jack: I mean, staying with Kendrick in mind, the super bowl, that had a bunch of people, right? Was that this year? Was that two years ago? Was that last year? Last year where it had Kendrick and Snoop Dogg and Dre and all these people? I'm pretty sure that was that most recent. Cristina: That was crazy. That was crazy. That was a pretty. That was probably the biggest. Yeah, they broke records for that halftime show. A lot of people watched that. I think that was the most watched super bowl or whatever. Jack: I guess would have to be, right? With so many high end, high name celebrities. Cristina: The M and M's album come out this year. I mean 2000 last year, I guess. Jack: No, I think. I don't know. You mean music to be murdered by? No, no. Cristina: Houdini. Jack: Houdini. Oh, maybe. I think it did. I think it did. I think that was a 2024 album. So that did happen. Trying to see, like, is. There must be a website. Cristina: A website for what? Jack: For 2024 events. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: Okay, here. There is a list of crazy things. Let's see, we have the. Okay, Israel and the fact that Israel releases a map called the Greater Israel, where they kind of essentially want to attack and take over all the surrounding countries, believing they could, with the support of the United States behind them. Cristina: What? Jack: Yep. Cristina: But we're not gonna do that. Jack: It is unclear. They are our masters. As far as we can tell, they control us. Cristina: They made a map. Jack: Yeah. They have a sort of layout of what they would like to happen. And it encompasses several different countries, including parts of ir, Saudi Arabia, Egypt. They want to take over Cyprus. They want. There's just. They want to take over Syria. There's a bunch of little details. Cristina: Crazy. Jack: I mean, they want us to like. Cristina: Yeah, I understand that, but like, that's crazy. Jack: Yeah, it's absurd. But there's the plans that they have for. For the Middle east is to expand. They keep saying God gave us. No, people gave you that. You tried. God claimed a bunch of land for you many times and you weren't in different places they've been. Fun fact that has been released. These railists have been kicked out of 191 countries throughout the course of time. Everywhere they go, they implement the same strategies, which are they loan money, they bankrupt the country. The country kicks them out, always in that order, until they got their own territory, which they took off of a different country because nobody wanted them in their country. This argument has also been posed as to. If you're Such good people. Why didn't the Americans give you some land if they're with you so hard? If the Germans, who are actually allegedly the people who hurt you, why didn't we give you a piece of their land to make your country? And they've been posing a lot of arguments like this. Why does every country kick you out if you guys are so good? You get kicked out of a hundred. There's only like 200 and some s*** countries. They've been kicked out of almost every country on earth until they landed, creating their own country. And now they want to take over all of the surrounding things in their country, around their country. Cristina: Insane. That is insane plan. This would be the reason for World War Three. Jack: I don't 00:35:00 Jack: know. I don't know. But that is absurd that they plan to do that and they want us to help. But I guess that's another thing we can talk about that happened 2024. The current changed. Cristina: The current. Jack: Yes. Now countries are labeling what Israel is doing as a genocide. Now people are comparing what the Israelis are doing to what N*** Germany did and actually finding astounding parallels in how they're approaching attacking these people, how they are unarmed, how they are put into camps, how they're walled in. There are videos of Israeli military firebombing civilian regions. These people burned to death, horrifying civilian regions where there are no hostiles. Cristina: How's that guy not in trouble? Jack: No, he's gonna go to prison or be murdered by somebody. And it is inevitable at this point. There's too many countries that have turned against at this point. We're at a point in history where a lot of the talk is maybe people weren't wrong about Hitler. Cristina: What? Jack: You could find it everywhere on the Internet. The consistent comments of maybe we took out the wrong guy. And when you look at the events that are taking place and how he had a. Yes, he was. He took out many other people, but he had a specific target and he had a specific reason as to why that was the target. Weirdly enough, that reason is playing out right now. His reasoning was, what they did to my country, they will do to everyone else. They will poison. Cristina: You're saying these people are the same exact people. Jack: Jews is who he targeted primarily under the guise of what they did and what they could do. Cristina: And these Israelites are related to those Jews? Jack: These are not Israelites. Cristina: Isn't that Israel? Jack: That's Israel. Israelites are a specific group of people who are not in Israel. Israelites are black Jews. Cristina: Where are they? Jack: They're just Israeli. Cristina: Israeli. Okay. What are they called? Jack: Israelis. Cristina: They called. Okay. Are they. But you're saying they're Jews. Jack: No, The Israelites. Cristina: No. The Israelis. Jack: The Israelis are Israelis and they are Jews. They're not black Jews. Cristina: No. Jack: Those would be Israelites. Cristina: I'm saying they're the same Jews from Germany. Jack: It doesn't really matter. They're Jews. Cristina: They're Jews. Okay? Jack: Because they're descendants of the Jews from Germany. That's where they. Their families got sent and where they built. Everybody who was left. Israel got formed in World War II. The result of World War II's end was the creation of Israel. Cristina: You're saying those are the people? Jack: The ancestors. All of the Israelis in Israel are descendants of The World War II people who were being exterminated by Hitler in the first place. Cristina: They moved to Israel. Jack: We moved them to a piece of land that was part of Palestine, took it out and called it Israel. We stripped a part of Palestine to create Israel. Cristina: And they were cool with that. Jack: We have them walled in. We control whatever land we want there. Cristina: How do we do that? Nukes, I guess. Jack: They're not doing anything because. Nukes. Cristina: Huh? Jack: And we took away all their weapons and we barely supply them food so that we can control their energy levels too. They can't uprise because they don't have the energy or focus to do it because we starve them out in apartheid where they're just. Cristina: We're not the monsters. Jack: But we're not the monsters. They are in the cage we've built for them. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Because that's awful. I don't understand. Jack: Yeah. We took a people who existed already. We're like. We're gonna trap you over there in that box. We're gonna make. And we're gonna give this land to these guys who everybody hates and we're gonna put them on your land because you. You are gonna stay in the box next to them. And they already don't like you. So sucks to be you. Cristina: They're gonna fight each other and we're gonna help both of them fight each other. No. Jack: No. They're not gonna fight each other. Cristina: Look at us as a villain. Jack: They're not going to fight each other. The Israelis are going to fight the Palestinians. And they're going to anchor a bunch of neighboring countries with a lot of weaponry into creating terrorist organizations that are going to go hide in Palestine. And then we're going to attack Palestine under the. You know, Hezbollah's in there. And it's like you forced 00:40:00 Jack: them in there because you were bombing Every other place. Cristina: I don't know. This doesn't sound right. Jack: So they ran to Palestine, where they created and developed more. And now you're attacking them there, where you trapped a bunch of people to begin with. And they hid there because you're like. Well, they were like, you're not gonna. You trapped them and haven't killed them, and then you started killing the people you trapped, too. Whoa. Cristina: But we're not. Jack: We're not the bad guys. No, no, no. You know, we got the little. It's that movie that. That part of Spaceballs where the guy with the skull on his cap is like, hey, man. You know, you ever think about it, like, maybe we're the bad guys. You know, we got a little skull thing on. It's like, oh, no, don't be. Don't be crazy. Cristina: It's crazy. No, no, no. We're the good guys, of course. But, yeah, it's the Jews. Of course it's the Jews. It's always the Jews. No, America. What? Jack: Well, it's both at this point, because, again, it's two systems working together. One, the United States loves money. Two, Jews know how to make money. So what does the United States do? Protect the people who know how to make money at all costs. They do what? They run most of American businesses. They run most American politics. They run most. They run the United States. Cristina: Is this a conspiracy? Jack: No, it's a fact. All right, let's go down the list. Zuckerberg's a Jew. Google, owned by Jews. Comcast, owned by Jews. Warner Bros. Owned by Jews. Starbucks, Goldman and Sachs. Bloomberg. Marvel Entertainment. Cristina: How about Disney? Jack: Disney's owned by Nazis. Cristina: Oh. Jack: Like literally that one's owned by Nazis. Now, people, in the politics. Bernie Sanders is Jewish. Chuck Schumer, Dianne Feinstein. Adam Schaef, which is a House representative. We got Jerry Nedler in the executive branch. We got Anthony Blinken. We got Janet Yellen. Cristina: Would you be happier if they're all Christian, though? Like, I don't. Jack: No, it doesn't matter. The point is, they have a say in every facet of life, including. They control what we see on our screens. They control Comcast, they control Facebook and Google and Warner Bros. That's 99% of everything you consume. Like, they'll own Fox and CNN and this and that. Cristina: I don't know. It's just like. Okay, like. Okay, you said Facebook. Mark Zuckerberg, he's Jewish, but what does that have to do with the company? So the company is Jewish because he's Jewish. Jack: No, no, no. No, no. There are Jewish people in seats of power that can manipulate anything in any direction they want. So perception of Israel, for example, which literally Facebook did they literally suppress anything in favor of Palestine and anything against Israel. You see, that's literal perception manipulation that he himself did, but also so did Google. Cristina: And what is Google run by Jews? And what about YouTube? Jack: YouTube is owned by Google. Oh, that's why it's all the same. So now you think about why when you type the thing on Google doesn't show up, but then we go to Tor and you type the same thing and it's just right there. But why? Well, perception manipulation. They're owned by the people who are trying to control how we perceive things. Okay, for perspective, I'll break down by going up one more rank from Jewish seats. Right. So we have mentioned to the companies and we've mentioned some politicians, let's take a step back and go to giant firms, right, like the Vanguard Group. The Vanguard Group is an investment group who buy huge shares inside companies. So when people talk about shareholders, they're talking about these people. And you always got to please the shareholders. Okay, so these people could know. Vanguard is created by and run by Jewish people that started developing during World War II. They own Apple, Microsoft and Tesla as well as Exxon, which controls the distribution 00:45:00 Jack: of petrol, JP Morgan and Pfizer. So they affect the pharmaceutical industry and they affect the automotive industry. They affect media, they affect how you get your news, when you get your news through where you get your news. Now that's the Vanguard Group. State Street Corporation, also Jewishly owned, owns Apple, Amazon, Tesla, many healthcare and pharmaceutical companies and often collaborates with BlackRock and Vanguard as one of the big three. Those are the big three. Cristina: What are the big three? Jack: BlackRock, Vanguard and the State Street Corporation. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Then we have Goldman and Sachs, smaller than those, but doing the same thing with stocks in all of these. Same company, Jewish owned, okay? Blackstone, Jewish owned, owns the housing market and private equity with portfolios just all anywhere anybody lives. So they are the ones who redline and they are the ones who decide what communities get what housing, where funding gets decided. They lobby for housing markets. The reason a lot of people can't afford it. There banks in general usually built and run by Jews. They send the money. They are the people who create the debt, then collect the debt. That's how the N*** Germany war happened. Following the first World War where Austria was turned into poverty. It was made into poverty through the loners who were the bankers. That led to desperation that then Led to conflict funded by the same bankers who stripped Austria, then funded the very war by funding companies and then getting the payout from that, which then led to the creation of BlackRock and Vanguard and these companies that are now the same investment companies that own all of our media and all of our Internet and all of our marketing, top to bottom. This is all Jews in every direction manipulating how the country works, how the planet works to some degree. I don't even know how we got here. What was the point? Cristina: Something about, I guess, Israel, what's happening? Oh, they want to be a bigger country this year. Jack: Oh yeah, they want to keep expanding, using us to do it. But oh yeah, the point was that we they money, they've always made money and they run our country for sure. Because that was your argument. Your argument was just because they're Jewish, what does that do to the company? Well, this is what it does to the company. All the media that creates, all the divisiveness owned by Jews, all the wars that are funded, funded by the banks, banks run by the Jews. Cristina: Then we'll happily help them become a bigger country. Jack: We're probably going to help them become a bigger country. There's so many of these companies. Millennium Management, Soros Fund, there's a bunch of these just infinite companies, Blackstone, Apollo Global Management, just all owned by Jewish descendants or Jewish immigrants. And all control essentially the state of what happens in the Western and Middle Eastern world. The place Jews have no influence seems to be the Eastern world. They have no power there. Cristina: But they want us to help them do that, to get power there. Jack: They don't want us to help them get power there. Because you're thinking Middle Eastern, close to the west, okay? I'm talking China and Japan and Korea. Those people are like, no, no, no, we don't trust these Jews. They work through us, which is controlled by the Jews. So because they weren't going to work with Israel directly, okay? So they have us as the other piece that the Asians will gladly collaborate with. Cristina: Okay. Jack: D***, I never noticed that. No, it's still. They still control everything, okay? Because a lot of the time we influence the Oriental markets while the Middle Eastern is dominantly manipulated by Israel. But Israel controls the United States. Even if the Far east doesn't want to interact with Israel, they want to interact with the United States. And the United States is run by Israel. Holy s***. It doesn't matter. I never thought about that. That's crazy. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: Yeah, that's crazy. It doesn't matter. If they didn't trust them. You're still working with them one way or another. Fascinating. Cristina: Other thing happened. Jack: Well, that happened and there was. Well, the tide has turned. A lot of people have been 00:50:00 Jack: calling them terrorists and a lot of people are getting ready to arrest this guy. Cristina: But what side is America on, though? I guess their government, our government doesn't sides with Israel, so won't we help them expand? But that's not what we're trying to do. We're trying to make peace. Jack: That's because the people are going to revolt. Cristina: Our people? Jack: Everybody. Cristina: Oh, everyone. Jack: Every. The governments of the world are f***** if they don't fix this problem because the people are going to start overthrowing governments. And that just goes back to the fact that we've seen some dominoes are falling on the elites. It's become a tension of. It's going to collapse. And so America is not an idiot either. Like, you know, f*** this s***. We're not not beat to lose the entire thing just for a little more power. We'll solve this and worry about circling back later, okay? And that's why we're saying, like, no, we're gonna stop you. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: But it's like, yeah, it's because some f****** elites got popped. And people are like, hahaha, it happened. Hahaha. And that hahaha, made you, like, wait, you're not scared that it happened? It's like, why would we be scared? That was one of yours. Like, oh, f***, you're right. I was only scared because it just happened to one of mine. But you guys don't care because we've been f****** you forever. Oh, f***. No, no, we. We're gonna solve it. We can do what you guys want. The war is gonna end. This is all fear and panic action. They don't want to solve s***. They want more war money. Cristina: Okay? Jack: They want more war money. We need. We need to fund all these companies. Cristina: For now. It's more like trying to pause it. Jack: Yeah, they're gonna pause. They're gonna find another excuse. Their own. What's gonna happen? They gave us weed because we were turning on them. The same reason they took it away when they wanted us to go to war. So they're like, you know what the problem is? Our two plans overlapped. Let's just cool down the Israel s*** for a second. We'll keep them sedated. They'll forget. We'll take it away when we make something horrible happen. So they want to go back. So they want to force us to go back. Oh, they infiltrated our cities again. 9, 11 happened. We have to protect United States and invade. So that would happen again. But you know, after the drugs sedate everybody and long enough, you know, five, six years of like, okay, it's all calm down, whatever, and then they'll be husband. Somehow these people who don't have advanced technology somehow out bested our recon. We got them in a box. We got them in a box. Listen, American citizens, the people we had in a box with cameras everywhere that we know everything they do and everyone they communicate with and we follow them and we can pinpoint them through satellites all day, every day. Oh yeah, they tricked our super advanced technology with their primitive ways. Cristina: Who? Jack: The people in Palestine and Gaza. Oh, they tricked us with their super smarter, more clever ways. Even if all our technology. We got infrared, we're seeing them through walls. One of them got out somehow and slammed the plane into our home. I. But you guys don't want us to do anything, so we gotta, you know, we're gonna do what you guys said. You guys said we can't go over there. But also weed is illegal now because we have some reports, look, look, Tesla did some reports showing that, oh, we does this, this and that are bad on kids. Kids grades are suffering. Oh my God. You know how much we care about grades. We've always cared. So we gotta make it illegal. And also the bad guys got in somehow. Oh, no. We don't know how they did it. But we can't go to war. You guys told us we can't. No, no, no. You know, everybody gets all riled up. Cristina: Because you're not thinking, okay, you're gonna. Jack: Get all riled up, but you think. Cristina: They'Re gonna stop weed from being legal. Jack: They're gonna stop people from being mellowed out in order to get the people to agree to go to war. Cristina: We'll see. Jack: They're going to sedate us every time they want us to not rise up. And they're going to pent up our energy and stress us out every time they want us to go to war. 911. 911 was such a small, insignificant moment. We have in a single bomb taken out more people than happened in 9 f****** 11. And we've done it to innocent people who aren't inside of a corporate building milking poor people for something we've blown up poor people in larger numbers who aren't f****** other poor people. Just poor people living life. That's such an insignificant moment in history. All 3,000. Yeah, tragic. Those people died. We kill Way more people than that. All the f****** time. But why was it such a tragedy? Because we need you guys to want to go to war. This is gonna be on every f****** news station all the 00:55:00 Jack: f****** time. But who want the news stations? The big companies who are owned by the investors who are owned by BlackRock and Vanguard. And those are the Jews. The countries we always invade. Companies they want to attack. Okay, those are people who attacked us. So you're telling us we got a base right over there with the most advanced technology on Earth, then we're over here with the most advanced agencies on Earth and somehow we didn't see it coming. Cristina: Yeah, topic, topic. Okay. Jack: They're always trying to get us in that direction. But that's done soon. Cristina: That's done soon. Jack: That's done soon. Cristina: Yeah, but you think there's gonna be a third war though? No. Jack: Yeah, I think we're headed towards World War three ultimately. Another thing that happened, the Amazon forest began to burn again. Cristina: That happens every year. No, no. I don't know. Jack: Oh s***. I don't even know about this. The first fusion energy plant. Cristina: Fusion energy plant? Jack: Yep. The world's first operational nuclear fusion plant came online, promising a revolution in clean energy. Cristina: Cool. Jack: AI awakens which groundbreaking AI development blurred the lines between human and machine cognition. Yep. This is the. Cristina: This year was pretty crazy with AI rapid development. Jack: Yep. S***'s been nuts. First Mars base was established. We send all the goods up to start building up their robots. Cristina: Awesome. Jack: And also the first asteroid mining has begun. Cristina: Asteroid mining. Who's astro mining right now? What country did it? Jack: The company is called astroforge and through the United States government, it has acquired a total of 127 grams, which is not a lot of asteroid material, but that is cool. Yeah, it's very small, but the be. That's basically the beginning. And it's only for government use, but for commercial use is now being written in the book. Since it has been proven to be able to accomplish which after it's established for commercial use, then the number of companies that will pop up around it and push it forward quickly and thus reduce the cause because so many are going to be working on better technologies, thus making older technologies more relevant and more casual. So eventually within our lifetimes, anybody who. Who within the next 50 years will be younger than 70 will have likely normal visits to outer space in the next 50 years. That's going to be casual. Just within our atmosphere and like the upper areas outside of our atmosphere. So like asteroid mining in the local. Like whatever debris is right There. Local. Maybe just between Earth and the Moon or between Earth and Mars. Well, mining it. I don't know what you do hanging out up there. I mean, I guess eventually space travel should be more people just be chilling out in space. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: But, like, 50. It depends on the travel technology because you still got to beat Earth's gravity. And, like, that's gonna take energy. I don't think casual travel is gonna happen until we come up with something better than combustion. Because casual with combustion is going to be dangerous. We're not going to be able to breathe. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Cities of smog. Cristina: So when it comes to space mining, people aren't in those ships that are mining or they're being mined by people or. Jack: No, there was a human. There were human manned missions. Yes. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: But they were all. That's why it was so little. Cristina: Oh. Jack: So when we either go farther or when we come up with better tech for the people to be safer, we can then have larger sums. But it was essentially test missions to prove that it's possible. Cristina: That's so pretty cool. Yeah. Jack: So the beginning of asteroid mining has begun. The beginning of planetary colonization has begun. And we have AI development that's developing quickly. That's actually going to feed into each other. Especially because one of the guys controls two of the things, which is Elon Musk. Developing highly powerful AIs and developing extremely comprehensive robotics. Plus the space mission itself allows for all three to cross paths, allowing for him to be the deliverer. Cristina: Oh, his thing was last year, too, with the robots and, like, showing us how we can. Jack: Oh, my God. Cristina: I'm space robot, Maze and whatever. Jack: Yeah. The robot, he is moving every part of everything forward. So we're gonna have robots, both. All three. Cristina: Buses. Jack: Yeah, taxis. Buses. And maids. They're not just maids, just 01:00:00 Jack: house assistants. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: They could do simple tasks with you. Fold clothes, clean floors, that kind of stuff. That's pretty dope. That's. Yeah. That was in 2024. Pretty good year, all in all. There's a lot of crap going on. What else? Robotics and space travel and space colonization and terrorists. Only because it was a rich guy they took out. If it was a poor person. I'm like, oh, whatever. Cristina: Fires. Jack: Fires. Cristina: You already mentioned fires. Fires everywhere. Jack: Political divides, turning everybody. Cristina: The weather's been weird or weirder maybe. Jack: The weather's been very strange. Dangerously so. Cristina: Mm. Jack: We're gonna get to a point where it's funny, but within the same period of time that we expect a bunch of areas in the United. In the United States, in the Planet to become really advanced. We also expect a bunch of areas to become nearly uninhabitable. Anything around the equator is going to become too problematic for several reasons. One, all of them tend to be pretty low elevation. That's why there's a lot of islands in the area. The ones that aren't incontinent masses tend to be quite small. And as water level rise will disappear, a lot of that could vanish depending how high the water goes. And so water level alone gonna make that inhabitable. And the places that are already hot within that area, even if they aren't too close to water danger, they are potentially gonna get so hot that living there on average is gonna be impossible without special equipment. So the equator's region is going to generally speaking empty out and people are going to go more towards the poles, where the new better living conditions are going to be at. Now this has nothing to do necessarily with people. Humans didn't cause climate change. Climate change happens naturally, straight through the existence of earth. We've just sped up our portion, so we're like, oh my God, no. But it was again, we were whatever. It just sped up the rate. Yeah, usually at the rate it happens, society accurately gets to follow because it happens so gradual. Really. Let's have a science conversation. What global warming really is for the left and the right, who are highly uneducated in this area. The left thinks we're causing climate change. No, you guys are dumb. Do some homework. The left, the right thinks there's no such thing as climate change. No, you're also very dumb. Both of you are so tribalistically f****** stupid that you've done no homework. You just say the opposite of what the other guy says and don't know what the f***. So the reality of the matter is there's always a consistent shift climately. There have been ice ages and really hot periods. Happens back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. The last high peak of ice was about 20,000 years ago. And it's been getting hotter ever since. Before humans made any kind of technology that could warm the earth, it was already happening. It was already happening. For the last 20,000 years it's been getting hotter, hotter, hotter, hotter, hotter. Now society develops in such a way that that moves so slow, we can build around it, we adapt, we move gradually from here to there. It happens over such a 20,000 years, that's how many generations. So every year you move 10ft that way. But you know, over 20,000 years you got the f*** out of the way, out of the Way the heat or the cold or whatever the crap you got out of the way because it took so long. You gradually moved as it gradually changed. Now we built society and then sped up the rate. So now what would happen in 10,000 years is only going to take a hundred. Cristina: That's so horrible. Jack: That's horrible. Now we didn't cause climate change. That's stupid. The climate would change regardless. Also, there is climate change. That's just how Earth works. So both sides are wrong. We didn't cause climate change. No, that's impossible. We're not so f****** godly. We're not the end all, be all of the universe. But also for the people who have no sense of anything. No, there's climate change happens always. And so in about 50 years we're going to start to hit the annoying parts of some of these locations where, well, it was already hot and tropical, would hit 95 regularly. Except now it's 120 every day now. Livable. But do you want to. Cristina: No, no. Jack: Most people can get the f*** up out of there. Cristina: Is that part of the fires? Jack: Yeah, it's the excessive 01:05:00 Jack: heat. Well, no, no, really, really. The fires is due to California. It's California's fault. It's California's fault. Cristina: Why? Jack: Because he dried themselves out for a f****** fish. Cristina: What about the other countries on fire they're dealing with? Jack: Oh yeah, I guess so in their cases. Cristina: You can't blame California for every fire. Jack: No, no, no. Their inability to manage it. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: I suppose the severity of the fire is entirely due to the fact that we made it dry. We did. We sucked out the moisture to help a fish. Redirecting the water that should be filling the reservoir. And then that reservoir would have allowed us to deal with the fires and would have kept moisture in the air and around all the locations that would have made it harder to burn. But the arid dryness and then the super strong winds pushing the fires onto anything that was already super dry. Then feedback loop do that over and over and then you have this monumental fire caused by a bunch of people who thought it made absolute sense to prioritize random crap instead of people as goes the left. Meanwhile the right does the exact opposite and prayers prioritizes people completely eliminating everything else. And it's like you guys, you guys don't get it. Extremes is the problem. Cristina: Extremes. Yeah, it's dangerous. Jack: It's dangerous. The left lives in an extreme. The right lives in an extreme. The Democrats aren't. I was about to lie. The Democrats and the Republicans are fine. The problem is the left and the right identifying as them. But like, politics has nothing to do with your sociological bullshit, plain and simple. What laws get made over here and laws get made over there has nothing to do with your ideology of how people should interact with each other, but you still use the government to do it. And thus we f*** up the city. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Burning because laws got passed. Because you prioritize one person or the other, it's like, oh, that's dumb. Cristina: A year. Jack: What a year word. Anyways, I guess that's some of the stuff that happened throughout the year. A bunch of Jewish hate, a bunch of fires and stuff. So. Cristina: What was your favorite part? Jack: The year ending. Anyways, I guess that's all we've got. So yeah, if you guys want to. If you guys have anything to add. What do you guys remember Think like or hate from 2024? Let us know. You can message us that stuff on our socials, on Twitter, which is X. And on Facebook and Instagram and not TikTok anymore. Cristina: We. Oh we'll see. Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show. Jack: Yes. And Word of Mouth is a movie overpowered thing that has ever existed. So tell people that we have just discussed ridiculous things about 2024 and maybe they have something interesting to talk about. 2024. Cristina: Let us know. This has been the Rambling Podcast. Take Nothing Personal and thanks for listening. Jack: Sam. Cristina: Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Cristina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black. 01:09:16

Rambling 301: Fall Guy Luigi and Cali Fires

How are the California fires getting started? Who really is the Hitman Luigi? And are these two things in any way connected? The duo continue connecting the dots of the mysterious Rich Guy Eater and it might shockingly explain the growing California fires.

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  • the Victim, the Hitman and the Fall Guy
  • California Fires
  • Epstein’s List
  • Diddy’s List
  • The Desperate Rich
  • Bias Jurors
  • Evidence Destruction

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Rambling 301: Fall Guy Luigi and Cali Fires Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised. Jack: Going live in 5, 4. Cristina: What does live mean? Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack. Cristina: And I'm your host, Cristina. Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today we're gonna have a bit of a continuation of conversation that we've been having the last couple of episodes. Because a pattern is starting to form, one that we have predicted in previous episodes in particular. The rich being eaten by the poor following Mr. Luigi's assassination of the insurance CEO. Cristina: You think that's continuing to happen all over? Jack: Yes, yes, I do. I think that all the things that have happened in recent weeks kind of follow that trend. And it's building up to be something quite interesting. I think desperation is showing in all the corners of all of the. I guess what of the country? Cristina: The U.S. what? Jack: The U.S. yes, the United States. Elsewhere too, but very, very prominently here in the United States. Anything that happens here will begin infect the rest of the world. That we, as we do on average, it always spreads out and starts to get to other places. Cristina: What crazy things have been happening besides like the fires in Cali? I think it's like the only big news. Jack: Well, we'll get to that eventually. But staying to the Luigi situation. The fact that they're trying to find a. They're trying to find jurors to convict the man. But the American law, which will not be violated. Because if they put anybody but jurors there, and if the jurors are anybody but the peers there, then they will prove the system was always fake, fictional, and only applies to the poor. That will be the loudest scream. And at that moment, there is no reason why poor people shouldn't break into every store, raid every single insurance building, and literally physically kill these people with their hands. It'd be no reason to, because we know you're only protecting the rich and you don't give a f*** about the poor. Right now what they're trying to do is get jurors to convict Luigi. But because jurors have to be peers. They have to be a jury of your peers. And people who are peers to somebody like Luigi also have gotten monumentally f***** by car insurance, house insurance, medical insurance. Insurance companies are a scam that the little guy deals with. And now you need to sit a group of peers who have been equally f***** to then say he's guilty about what he did, when in reality. Cristina: But he definitely 100. Jack: He totally is except in the screening process that they're doing to sit the jurors. You always get to screen jurors. Nobody seems. They openly begin with I think he's innocent. So there are no jurors selected for this yet because. And there's gonna never be. Or you just. Eventually they just have to do it. And if they take him to prison without putting him through a trial, the system is going to implode and people will eat. The rich people will go to the f****** streets and they will stab the f*** out of every CEO. People are going to go to the f****** streets and start murdering the police that arrested him, the politicians that allowed a non. Like a non trial to happen. Like all of these situations that you'd have to violate the laws that you've told us for years that we must obey. And now we have a situation where obeying the law is gonna f*** the rich people. Cristina: But if they do get people to. Jack: Would never happen. It's not even an if. Every single juror that they have screened, they've had to dismiss without exception eventually have to sit people. You only have a certain. Every person only has a certain limit of individuals they can dismiss. So what do you do when everybody you sit there was f***** by the same insurance companies or same insurance scams to some degree. So this, there's no way this works in favor. So you gotta bend the law or break the law. But if you do that in this current situation, if you break the law to enforce the law, 00:05:00 Jack: it doesn't work. You're just gonna make. You're gonna make it so that the little guy instantaneously decides none of this is real. We can destroy everything and everyone that plays that game. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: Yeah, because it's. We don't do that under the assumption that to some degree it works. But that is genuinely why the poor don't eat the rich. They believe it's the. The whiniest of the poor complaining about the most corrupt of the rich. But if the government itself gets involved and says, well, you don't need a jury of peers because they're all going to let you go and based on that you're not going to have one. Well, now you've broken the law. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And now it means nobody ever has to go to jury again. Jury is you just make us go there and then you don't pay anybody legitimate income for being there to just get that. That's another part. You're trying to convince these people to go be a juror and not go to work, and you're not going to pay them a realistic amount of money for being there. So they're just losing out on paychecks. Cristina: Inherently, it's a very strange system. Jack: It's a very strange system in favor of the politicians and the CEOs. But right now you got to convince the people you're robbing of money to sit there. To then sit there and say, the guy who did what they all wish they could do because of how corrupt the system is should go to jail. You're trying to convince those people that you're actively. By sitting there to side with you instead of the guy who did what they all think was awesome. Cristina: But, like, all I need is people to say he did it. Jack: Yes. Everybody needs to agree. If a single person doesn't agree, then the trial goes on indefinitely until everybody agrees. There has to be no doubt in the jurors one person could hold that b**** up. So what's gonna happen is the person who is most willing to hold that b**** up is gonna make everybody else cave in his favor. Even if they were gonna say he's guilty because they want to go home, they need money. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: You could hold it hostage by you saying, no, he's innocent. You couldn't convince me. And now what? Now we're here until I say he's guilty or until you guys say he's innocent. And I'm not going anywhere because we're getting equally f***** here. So until you guys get your heads out of your a**** and stop siding with the rich guy who's f****** you too. So all it takes is one of those guys. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And I guarantee you. Cristina: How long could this process take, though? Jack: Indefinitely. It could go on indefinitely until they agree. They have to agree, one side or the other. Indefinitely. There's no limit. Cristina: Whoa. But just to find these people. I guess there's a limit to that. Jack: Yes. There's a limit to how many people you can dismiss. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And they're hitting that limit. Cristina: Well. Jack: Which means this trial is going to go through with a jury of peers. And that jury of peers is gonna. There's no argument any insurance company can make in favor of the CEO or the company. There's no argument that the little guy will side with. Oh, you filthy rich f******. Yeah. This is why you needed more money. This is why you had to turn more people away. This is why the sick should have stayed sicker. What? How? How are you gonna convince them? So it's a definite poor eat rich situation where he's gonna go free. He's gonna go free. The guy who killed the CEO is gonna be back on the streets. Cristina: I don't know. That sounds kind of crazy. Jack: Nobody's gonna convict them. If are you gonna. Who the is gonna be the dumb judge to go ahead and override and say now he's guilty? Who? Cristina: There could be judges that do that, though. Jack: No one. That's illegal if it's with peers. And second, if there weren't jurors, how stupid could a judge be? That mean that makes you the next target. Use the target overnight. Now you just can't do anything. You need bodyguards, you need this, you need that. Because you're gonna be caught on the street because you're crooked for allowing crooked people to get away and heroes to go to prison. I'm sure it'll happen. Like this judge decides he goes to jail the next day. Documents of all that man's corruptions are just gonna be uploaded to the Internet. Racist things he's done for the same crime. Maybe a black guy got twice the sentence a white guy did for exactly the same thing. All of that is just gonna hit the Internet instantly, overnight. That judge is gonna resign and then not have judge protections. Oh, it's a domino effect. There's no way this is a stalemate for the rich people. Cristina: Are people waiting for this, this trial? Like, are people like. Jack: I bet. I don't know. Cristina: I don't. I guess there's. Jack: I don't really follow the interwebs so hard, but okay. Cristina: Because there's a lot of trials that have been famous and people just watch because, like, whatever the crime was or whatever the person was 00:10:00 Cristina: involved in and is this going to become that kind of situation? Jack: I think definitely. I think this is going to take the attention of everybody. I think this is. Again, it's going to be one of those situations. I. I truly believe this is going to be crazy. Advertising televised all over the place because. And that's the part that's going to horrify people. They could be like, we're not going to televise it, but there's obvious reasons for why they would not want to do that. And it's too obvious. So you guys give us celebrity trials. You guys give us this, you guys give us that. You were very loud about the President of the United States of America. You wanted all the cameras aim at that trial that should have been private and behind closed doors. Because the situation wasn't about his presidency. The situation was about personal life situations. They have no bearing on presidency. He gets a f*** who he Wants that is a grown a** man. What the f*** does that have to do with his political views? But you guys decided, including CEOs decided that that has to be in front of the people. Well, you really just wanted to distract people. That wasn't for legitimate reasons. You guys are prone to creating distractions and prone to. Well, you're probably signing hella bills in the background while they're looking at this. Okay, so now this is about something that directly affects people. On average, insurance issues. And one that people are very informed about because this made waves everywhere. Somebody shot a CEO. I dare them to not air this. And that not be what breaks it. I dare them. They would never not air it because they've made it so important to air useless s*** that now backtracking on that for this means you're scared that people are going to talk about it and make it worse. You're scared it's going to get worse. Cristina: And know what's going to happen then. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Are they? Jack: It's going to be televised. The jurors are gonna set them free. People are gonna see that happen. And CEOs are f*****. It already happened. They removed photos from CEOs off of websites, they removed names, they removed these people who loved to flaunt how rich they are suddenly are okay with being absolutely private about how rich they are. Oh, suddenly just oh, we're not. I don't own the company. Everybody knows I own. My name is off of there. My picture is off of there. Nobody can find us. Wow. Cristina: Okay. Wow. Jack: I thought the attention was your game. Cristina: What? Jack: So I, I definitely think it's going to be televised. And I think it, I think it's. Cristina: Going to be suffering. Jack: I think it's going to be set free. It has to be a jury of his peers and at least one person there is going to be like, no, you can't convince me. Cristina: I guess that's possible. Yeah. Jack: Alternatively, hella CEOs are going to bribe all the jurors. Cristina: That is also possible. Jack: They all walk away. Filthy rich people are weak willed and for a little bit of money, yeah, sure, whatever. He's guilty. Cristina: But you think he's gonna be put away for a long time. Probably not even like he gets convicted. Jack: He would go away for life. Maybe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They'll figure it out. But there's no way you could do this and everybody not be like you guys did some sketchy in the background. There's no way this could turn out that the people aren't gonna freak the f*** out. There's no way. You guys created the problem. And if the problem goes away when. If it was a normal street person, the problem would never go away. No, no. You're showing your corruption from the top to the bottom. You will prove nothing works and it is all a lie. It would just be the proof. That's all you'd be offering. Cristina: Mm. Jack: That would be politicians offering the fact that. Yeah, no, we forgive all rich people. We don't forgive any poor people. Cristina: I mean, it's possible that. Because, like, what can we do if they did there. Jack: Oh, no, that's an easy one. They saw a street person kill a CEO on f****** video. Cristina: So you think more people are just gonna do the same? Jack: You tell me that man doesn't get like the. The hero in this story is the one who gets punished and a million more don't go out and do it. Cristina: I guess they don't want to do that. They don't want that to happen. Jack: It's a hard, hard situation for these CEOs. It is the moment of the poor eating the rich. Cristina: If they let that happen, they can't let that happen. Jack: Donald Trump has been elected president and he has hired an individual, Elon Musk, to start regulating government and start regulating government laws and individuals and outside companies that get touched, which includes insurance companies that have unnecessary levels of protection. Cristina: That's weird. Jack: All 00:15:00 Jack: of that is now under the supervision of a guy who believes all that s*** is crooked. Cristina: Under Elon Musk, though, Elon Musk is. Jack: Going to be regulating the government and how the government legislates according to its own need for money. He's regulating money. Cristina: That's not strange. That's a little strange. Jack: Why? That's I don't know. The CIA is strange, and that's a third party company the FBI estranged as a third party company. What's strange about hiring a third party company to regulate the amount of corrupted third party companies that exist? I guess if his job is to decrease the money and he does what he did with X, X only got better because all the sensitivity left. He fired 90% of the company to prove it's all DEI hires and the company is running better. That's kind of like overpowered. He plans to do that to the government. It's overinflated. You guys are too many and you're pocketing too much unnecessary amounts of corruption. Cristina: So you think it's mostly about firing people. Jack: He's probably gonna fire a s*** ton of people. Yes. There's a bunch of positions that don't even do Anything. This is people pocketing money in every possible facet, I guess. Like, if nothing ever gets done. If nothing ever gets done, why are they there? Cristina: I don't know. Yeah. Jack: Why are you pocketing money? You've been sitting in this office for 20 years. What's the difference between when you got here and now? Cristina: I'm not get away with it. Jack: Yeah. You got all the money in your pocket. So what. What the happens? Okay, you gotta go this person. Okay, yeah. They're actually trying to fix the streets, but they're being blocked by that a****** who wants to put money in his pocket. Fire the guy who's trying to put money in his pocket. Give this guy promotion so he can keep fixing streets. That's all he's gonna be doing. Cristina: I guess. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: That's awesome. Jack: And that involves interacting with insurance companies who have unnecessary protections to. F*** the little guy. Cristina: We should stop that. Jack: Mm. So he's gonna find out why. There are certain individuals who continue to legislate in favor of insurance companies. Obvious reason is they are invested in the insurance companies that are going to profit from those same legislations, of course. And they're going to remove those individuals, those people. That's why they tried so hard to get rid of Trump, because Trump is going to make sure and likely expose, not just fire them, but tell the world why they're getting fired. Cristina: This is part of cleaning out the swamp thing. Yes, it's continuing. Jack: And a bunch of people brainwashed on the left couldn't handle that because there it's against team. Team sports. And as you know, both sides are kind of dumb. They're sucked into team sports. People don't think anymore. There's no nuance. I'm either all blue or all red. And I do not agree with anything they say. Even if it made sense. And it's like, well, then you guys are idiots on both sides, which is the actual case. But outside of the stupidity of team politics and everybody who gets sucked in, they're proven they don't think at all. It seems like the swamp cleaning will in fact take place and it's not going to be in favor of the insurance companies or the politicians who are bending laws in order to make profit off of insurance companies. Cristina: It's taking too long for that stuff to happen. Jack: Why? Cristina: Why? Like, people have had a problem with the government forever. Jack: Like, right, it's the beginning of the year and this dude just got elected. Cristina: No, I mean, like in. Jack: Throughout history, government as led by the Democrats for the last many couple of years is nothing But a bunch of pocketing schemes and war funnels. Cristina: Oh, yeah. Jack: So like, it's all money into pocket and like, they have no reason to change any laws because they can keep funding wars and be supported by the Democrats. We're like, yeah, send more to Ukraine and. Yes, and more of us. He's more over there. More. It's like, God, bro. Guys, how are you gonna be like, stop funding Israel but keep funding Ukraine? This is so stupid. They're so dumb. Both sides. Because the other side's the same. The other side's like, stop funding Ukraine but keep funding Israel. They're the good guys. Like, okay, we're not for war, but we're for war. No, shut up. None of you think. None of you have thoughts. Cristina: We're not for that one. Or for this. Jack: Yeah, you guys don't have thoughts. You guys just. You parrot whatever the f*** your team says and you didn't think about it more than that. And then you go online and you freak out and you have these angry conversations about s*** you've never looked at based on some headline you read. It's ridiculous. A bunch of feedback loop nonsense. Bunch of idiots everywhere. Super stupid low IQ s***. Anyways, Luigi's gonna be free. That's likely. And if he's free, he's likely gonna go catch somebody else and that's gonna motivate other 00:20:00 Jack: individuals to do the same thing. Cristina: I can't imagine that that's the next thing. He's gonna be free and then he's gonna do it again. That's what you're saying? Jack: Not necessarily. Rather, his existence for being free will result in more CEOs being taken out. Cristina: Oh, okay. Yes. Jack: More people in these crooked power positions being taken out. On the flip side, if he gets convicted, I think that same outcome happens. Cristina: Yeah, it doesn't really matter whether he's here or not. Jack: I think that outcome happens quicker if he is convicted. They'll at least have a little buffer time before the next one. If he's free. Cristina: But now that it's possible, it has to happen again. Jack: We already know it's possible. And the desperate move. Had they not done this, it would have looked less bad. But the need to parade him around for no reason was so obviously a. Look, we caught him. Don't do it. Which is like, wow, you guys freaked the out. Somebody paid that governor to go stand next to that guy. And he was like, yeah, this makes sense for money. Because he wouldn't have done that otherwise. Why? Why would he do that? What reason is there for the governor, the mayor, whatever the f*** that was. To parade that guy around. That makes no sense. It's entirely a money thing. And, like, even walking him around, so many guards, so many, like, walking for cameras, photo ops, so people see he's caught. Cristina: That only helps. Jack: Yeah. You guys just clearly showed everybody you're desperate. And you guys feed on fear because you're human. So are the people you're feeding on. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And they've suddenly seen you really f****** scared. Not only that, you guys created the feedback loops that made them like that. You guys created the Facebooks and the Twitters you guys created the comment sections you get. Because it was money for you. It was more money for you. You and your buddies got money from these things to keep them raged in and freaking out and loving. So they grew up on that. They grew up on feeding off vanguard and fear and people sad and bothered. And now they saw you angry and fear and sad and bothered. Holy. You guys f***** up. You guys f***** up. You created a problem. Then you showed them you're. You're one of them. You're one of the people who could be picked on now. Cristina: Mm. And it's gonna happen again. It has to happen. It doesn't happen again. Doesn't matter what. What the results are. Jack: Nope. Has to happen again. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: It's just the pace at which it's gonna happen. We saw the first instance of the poor eating the rich, and now we're seeing the slow snowball effect. Right now we're dealing with jurors and an inability to get seating jurors that seem unbiased because you made them all bias in favor of f*** insurance companies. You made them all. You made everybody in the United States who isn't a 1% individual biased towards insurance companies. 100%. Cristina: Yeah. Probably even people who are in working in insurance companies don't like insurance companies. Jack: 100. Because they themselves are probably not even getting quality insurance. Cristina: Exactly. Jack: So you turned everybody against insurance companies, and then you're going to try to convince people that the insurance company isn't the bad guy in a situation. You lost. You lost before it began. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: You lost before began. You dug that grave so deep. Cristina: Mm. Jack: That once you get pushed in, there's no chance you're climbing out. It's too f****** deep. You dug that f****** hole for, like, 40 years. Cristina: I don't know. It's tough, but, like, banks get away with anything and they still go. Jack: Right. Cristina: Like, why isn't this happening with them? Why is the way things are still the way things are for that because. Jack: People haven't been in. Again, the assumption that to some degree it still works. Cristina: Still works. Jack: To some degree, it still works. That is the assumption. To some degree, it still works. Doesn't matter what happens in this trial. They're gonna prove it was bullshit and made up and never worked. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It only works if you're rich. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Which means it doesn't work. You're just paying your way out of everything. Except you can't pay your way out of this one. Cristina: Lovely. Jack: So I think that's gonna go crazy now. Interesting things about Luigi. As we said, the courts can't seem to find jurors that aren't biased. They're all on the side of, I didn't see anything. And I think he was totally innocent. Must have been another guy or something along those lines. It wasn't him. Oh, that video. No, that doesn't look like him to me. So that's the unanimous problem they've got with jurors, which will very likely result in him going free. They can only do this for so long before you're 00:25:00 Jack: clearly breaking the law trying to find a different juror. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And a couple of things, right. We talked about the guy in the camera not looking like Luigi. Cristina: Yes. Jack: People have deep dived into this, that they look so different. They look so different. Face structure difference, height difference, shoulder difference. The guy they caught versus the guy who was in the video. The green and gray, they had totally different. They did not find the right guy. Cristina: But what about. Did he write about it or. No. Jack: Right. So he could scratch up a manifesto. Anybody could do that. And if it's not well developed, like, who cares? Anybody could write anything. And at this point, we're calling manifesto. And any idea he wrote on any surface or any technology slightly relative to what he did. If you made a f****** Facebook comment about doing this, that's his manifesto now. Cristina: Okay, you get my point. Jack: Like, what are we talking about? Manifesto. He had a notes app with five sentences. That's a manifesto. They're just saying that so it looks like that's the guy. Cristina: Okay, so that's part of that. Jack: Part of the brainwashing. Okay, it's not a manifesto. The guy jotted down a couple of thoughts. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: It wasn't like they're gonna find this and understand my motives. It's like, no, this is why I hate that guy at the end. Cristina: Okay. That guy specifically, or was it even about that guy? Was it just about insurance? Jack: It was just about insurance, but it doesn't even matter. Who the context of that in any manner, shape or form. Because it's not the guy. It's visibly not the guy. Who cares if he has anything written down, okay? He's not the guy. You could tell looking at them two entire. The guy who took the hit has no Latin visible roots. That was a white guy. Like a pure white guy. And I know people are like, oh, Italians are white. Shut the up. You guys are so ignorant. No, that's why we have two different words, Latino and Hispanic. And Latino are all from Latin descent, while Hispanics are from Spaniard descent. He is an Italian. Luigi, the guy caught is an Italian that is Latino. And you can tell he has Latin descent features, as most Latins do. Whether you're a Hispanic, whether you're Spanish, whether you're Portuguese, whether you're. There's a kind of resemblance going on that you're not, quote, white, unquote, you're Latin, okay? And the guy in the video was not. Cristina: He's just white. Jack: He's a white guy that was a visibly white guy. While the Luigi dude. Nah. So here are a couple of theories that have been circling around. And a couple of them kind of have some solidity to them, but we're not gonna talk about the solidity. We're just gonna talk about these theories, okay? So stay focused with me, please. First, the guy Luigi caught. Right, the guy who's caught. Cristina: Okay? Jack: Second, the guy in the video. And third, the guy who allegedly had the beef with the CEO. Now, the guy Luigi who was caught, did not have any accounts, did not have family members who had United Healthcare fully disconnected. There's didn't seem s*** other than the fact that he had a manifesto, because nothing he had matched. He doesn't match a guy in the video. All he had that connects him is essentially, quote, the manifesto, unquote. That's the connecting feature that says he's the guy who did it. Cristina: Okay? Because he said or he wrote one time I don't like. Jack: Yeah, because he had a notes app with insurance saying, I hate this guy. Cristina: Okay? Jack: So that's their connection. That's all. He's the guy based on that. There's no other proof literally connecting him. That's the only, only proof they have. You can look this up yourself. The only proof the government actually has, the only proof the police has, the only proof anybody has is the notes app. Outside of that, we're just trying to connect it to the guy in the video, okay? Now this falls perfectly in line with you guys. Never found them. You don't want the people to know that, though. You need the people to believe he got caught instantly. Let's follow this up with the fact that the first guy they caught, they immediately paraded without having to confirm more. Yeah, that is. Cristina: It's not what you do exactly. Jack: Kind of a quick coward is happening. You can tell the. And the pattern of that kind of tells you more. It feels less like it's him now that you guys did that. Your only proof is really his app because he had a quote, manifesto, unquote. But you didn't find the weapon. You didn't. You can't. He just looks like the guy. Cristina: Nothing. Jack: Nothing. Cristina: There's really nothing. Jack: There's nothing. Just the fact that 00:30:00 Jack: he confessed in that. Cristina: And he somewhat looks like this guy. Jack: No, he doesn't look anything. Cristina: Not even a tiny nothing. Jack: Nothing does not look anything like him. Cristina: Weird. Jack: Yes. So that's the guy caught. The guy who did the hit had a silence. The weapon, my dude, was smooth as anything. It was calculated, measured, soulless. Kind of like a professional. Cristina: Like a hired. Jack: Like a hired individual. Exactly. But if you hired an individual, you're also not catching him. That's how he's professional. Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. So even, like, even if you did catch that guy, you didn't really catch that guy. That guy. Jack: And then the fact again that the dude who was caught has no beef with United Healthcare. He couldn't. He has no connection to them. How do we have a guy who's clearly a hitman, not some random dude who got an emotional moment. No, this was methodically professional. And then a guy you caught who has no connection. And the closest you could get is he said things that sounded relative. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: Enter the third guy, the guy with the problem. How do we get here? We have a dude who clearly has a massive issue and made actions happen. There is a dude who's responsible for paying the hitman and the hitman for paying the fall guy. Nobody caught the real guy. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You didn't catch the killer or the dude who hired him. You caught the guy who was paid to take the fall. Cristina: People think that he was paid by. Jack: That is an ongoing theory. Now here's. Here is the trick where it might get quite shaky. The line divides down the middle when we get to who paid the fall guy. Cristina: What do you mean? Jack: It likely wasn't the hitman because he would need his professional enough to just vanish. Wastes money on that. And it wasn't the guy who bought the hitman because you bought the guy. Cristina: Who'S gonna vanish is the insurance company. Jack: It was a f****** insurance company banding together and paying the most random guy that could come. Whoever looks most like him. Whoever looks most like him. We caught him. We caught him. You guys can't get away with it. He's caught. Look. Haha. And that's why he doesn't connect. And that's why the manifesto's so f****** loose. You guys couldn't connect. You couldn't find it. It was too clean. He popped up. Did the job. Disappeared. And then you relied on a random f****** tip. Allegedly. And then you caught some random guy. No. You guys paid whoever people thought already looked like him. You waited for the public to react. You found whoever looked like him. And you're like make your life so f****** easy. You just. Here's the story we're gonna go with. Cristina: Okay? Jack: All the money. We're filthy rich. We can make you a billionaire tomorrow between all of us. And not one of us took a single hit. You're rich like us. But we gotta show you as a criminal. We got to throw you in prison. You could get out. We'll send you to some other country. You disappear. But we got to go through this process. Cristina: Do we have to find out what happens to him after all this? Jack: If he goes to prison? How would we know that he's in prison? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: We'll probably throw him in some locked up little room that nobody can see. Allegedly. And he's out in a different country living the life. Because that's not the guy. That's not the guy. The people who can find. I will redirect everybody to how overpowered the Internet really is. Anybody who doesn't know about this. The FBI once tried to f*** with 4chan. 4chan. Random people, just random people hacked the FBI and acquired the most crooked files they could find. Posted some of it online. You could find this and warn the FBI. Leave us alone or it's all going up. The FBI has never since talked about 4chan. This is a fact. Go online. Look it up. This has nothing to do with opinion. You could find these cases happening. Cristina: So there are people online trying to figure out who the real person is responsible. Jack: True experts aren't the FBI. There aren't the CIA. How do we know there was coke inside the White House and it couldn't be found who did it? You guys are crooked. You guys are intentionally not telling us information. While people can hide something anywhere in the world within a couple of minutes. 4chan got there. 00:35:00 Jack: You can't hide anything. We got the best hackers we got the best meteorology. We got all the resources to undo any level of anything you could ever imagine doing politically, doing through government, doing through police, doing through any agency. 4chan has a better. And those are the guys, the guys who scare the FBI, the guys who can rat on anybody with proof who uploaded, the guys who take down the big kahunas. Those are the same experts who are saying, there's no way you could convince any of us that is him. Cristina: Okay? Jack: And they're showing image by image, breaking down face structures, breaking down face shape, eye shape, distance, eyebrow shape, every little bit. It doesn't match. It's not the same person. Cristina: So it's most likely just a person that knew the guy and just didn't like him. I hired a hitman. Like no one in a personal level. Jack: No, no, no, I don't think it's a personal level. I do believe somebody was affected negatively and was like, f*** that guy. I mean, it could be anybody. Could be anybody. We don't know. Yeah, there's some third individual we don't know about, responsible for hiring a legitimate professional who killed the CEO. We don't know who hired him, but it's unlikely either the hitman or he hired the fall guy. Because the point of the hitman is there's no need for a fall guy. Cristina: Okay. Jack: The question would just linger. Also, you guys can look online for this one. 97% of all murders go unsolved, usually when they're unprofessional. This guy showed an absurd level of professionalism. That guy's not getting caught. You guys don't catch regular killers. You're gonna catch a dude who does it for a living. That's a joke. So how did they so instantaneously find. Cristina: The guy, the right guy? Jack: You didn't know. You made it up. You made it up to trick people because you're f****** scared. Cristina: Because there's nothing else they can do. Jack: There's nothing else they can do. But in reacting, they made it worse. Yes, because you showed you're scared. And fear is what all humans feed on. You've just been the creator of fear, feeding off of it. Now you're the person in fear and the little guy is feeding off of it. Oh, and the little guy made the fear that they're feeding off of you. The tables have f****** turned. Interesting. So, yeah, that's what's going on there. There's three individuals. One is the fall guy, probably upon on the side of the insurance company is just taking the fall. Luigi is not to Be worshiped. Luigi is the guy on the bad side getting paid. I mean, whoever paid the hitman is the hero. Because the hitman also had no stake in anything. It was money. He wouldn't have done it without being paid. It was money. He has no stake in anything. His insurance is probably immaculate because he. Cristina: Can afford it, I guess. But like, the person who did it is probably no hero either. Like we. It's better not to know. Jack: Yeah, no, he's probably doing it for 100. It could definitely be a rich enough guy whose family was on the plan and got shafted and they died. And they're like this son of a. No, that I got so much money, let that guy die. So it could 100 have been one of his peers. We're like, God d***, this is crooked. Cristina: I don't think he, like, it's probably a crooked person who did it. I don't think a normal person would do that. That heroic thing. He's not a hero. He has to be someone who just didn't like this guy. It feels more like. Jack: Yeah, no, I'm not saying anybody did it to be a hero. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: No matter what it was because they were personally affected by him. Nobody is claiming some dude was just like, I gotta start saving the world from CEOs. That didn't happen. Cristina: No. Okay. Jack: Otherwise, why the. Are the rest of the CEOs alive? Guys, they're still out there, go do something. But it was somebody who's affected by the specific company that let it, you know, settle and brew and develop into a visceral hate. Cristina: Crazy. So crazy. But yeah, I guess that makes sense. He's probably not the guy. Jack: The guy who, who got the ball rolling is free and will likely depending on. I mean the. The tide. Not even the tide. The global sentiment changed a little. People are cheering on the death of CEOs now. This is normal. Now it's like, f*** the rich people turning into the fires. You mentioned earlier, the fires raging and people are looking at the area called Sylmar and like, oh, f***, these people are screwed. And you know, these poor people's houses are getting burned. And that sucks. Paris Hilton's house burned down. Oh, too bad for her. It enters the rich neighborhoods. Oh, I'm kind of struggling, feeling sad for these rich bastards who still had 00:40:00 Jack: water when the rest of us didn't. Quickly the sentiment went from the rich people, let them lose everything. Cristina: People are watching the fires and are cool with it. Jack: People are looking at the fires, hit rich areas and are like, well, I guess you Guys had it coming. These statements that have been being made are Saddam and Gomorrah, the biblical towns that God smit with fire for being cesspools of evil and corruption. That's what people are saying is happening right now. Saddam and Gamora, you guys are getting what was coming. Cristina: Ow. Okay. Because. But all the fires are in rich people places. There are people being affected, though. Normal people. Jack: Funny. No, funny fact. Every single fire was started at the very edge of a poor section where the wind is pushing it towards the rich section. So people in the poor side started it, you think knowing it would go that way? Cristina: No, that's. Jack: Every single fire. Every single fire, without exception, was started by a person. The four major fires, the Palisade fire, the eat in fire, the Hearst fire, and the sunset fire, all began on the front side of the wind, pushing it towards the richer side. Cristina: But that doesn't mean. Man, I don't know. That's kind of. That's. Jack: Additionally, every single one of the fires was too far to ignite each other, so they were all separate ignitions around exactly the same moment. Cristina: And that's not a thing that could happen in nature. Jack: It could happen in nature. Some of these started a couple of minutes from each other. Cristina: Okay, that does sound very planned. Jack: I don't know. Yeah. All on the same side of the draft. All on this. All on the same. Get the f*** out of here. All around the same, like a three hour period. Cristina: It feels like if they were planned, someone was really. Like, they had to know about the wind and stuff. Like, it was super planned out. It wasn't like. Jack: No. Cristina: A normal. Jack: No, no, no. Cristina: It wasn't random. Jack: Listen to me. Once a year, these wins come through. Oh. Every single year without fail. Cristina: Okay, so it's normal. It's an. Jack: It's an annual thing around the same time every year. Cristina: So all you had to do was be ready. Be ready? Yeah. Okay. Whoa. Jack: All you had to do was be ready. Cristina: What is that? Like, people think that they actually were started by other people. Jack: They've literally caught two different people starting fires. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: Yeah. They're both arrested. Cristina: Well, yeah. Jack: Video. They were caught on video. Cristina: But doing the main fires, or these are just random other fires that are just now happening too. Jack: They were just starting fires and then they were caught doing it. Cristina: Okay, that is crazy. Yep. And it's just in Cali, though, right? Like. Jack: Yep. Jack: You see. You see the pattern, right? The snowball of the rich eating the rich is starting now. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Destroy all their s***. We're Gonna make them buy their s*** again and then we'll destroy their s*** again. And then when they buy their s*** again, we're gonna leave the country. Leave the country. You're not part of us. Get the f*** out of here. That's. We're gonna get there. That's gonna happen soon. We're gonna get to the point where we just keep trolling the rich out of the country so the middle class becomes rich. Cristina: That would be nice. But that's so crazy. I don't know. That's a hard one to believe. Jack: But it is. It is the reality at the moment. Cristina: Yeah. What? Jack: Yeah. And more so is the fact that the Palisades fire, right? That's the Pacific Palisades and Malibu. Big for politicians. That's where politicians live. All levels of political individuals. The eat in fire is in Altena and Pasadena, which is. Oh, my bad. That's the one that's big with politicians. The Palisades fire, which is in the Pacific Palisades in Malibu, that's big with CEOs. That's where the insurance individuals live. That's where the hedge fund guys live in Pacific Palisades in Malibu. So that's the Palisades fire. Then the E and fire in Altena and Pasadena. That's where the politicians hang out. So a bunch of politicians there. Fire went in that direction. And the sunset fire is the Hollywood Hills. Those are where the big music industry and celebrities live. Cristina: What? Yep. Jack: And then we have the hearse fire, which is the one that predominantly affected a poor area. Cristina: Okay, but. Okay, so that affected normal people. Jack: Yes, that one affected normal people. But that happens to be in an area where they've wanted to buy out the poor people to begin 00:45:00 Jack: with. And that's the one that a lot of people are like, this is E really similar to Hawaii. Why is the water off here? Cristina: The water. Jack: That's where the water was shut off. They're like, you guys really shut off the water in the middle of this fire. Very Hawaii. Now this is where the fires create an interesting division of situations because the fires all started in poor neighborhoods, towards rich neighborhoods. Is it the poor eating the rich like Luigi or. Let's go back to where these places are located. Pacific palisades in Malibu. CEOs, specifically insurance CEOs and hedge fund individuals. Jack: Interesting. Real close by. We have the Eaton fire, Altenia and Pasadena. Big with politicians. Okay. Just so happened to be. In both cases, the fire dominates areas where people were. Thank you 4chan, for all your information. Where people are really close Friends of Epstein. Second unrelated bit of information that I will share is the sunset fire on the Hollywood Hills is predominantly taking place around where people are known to have been close friends of or have been at Diddy parties. So was it the poor trying to eliminate the rich and even the tide? Or was it the rich trying to get rid of the evidence, knowing that the dominoes are falling? The rich, the list is coming one way or another. Cristina: I don't know. Jack: And now you have Trump and Elon Musk claiming we're gonna find it and release it no matter what it takes. Cristina: But if they burn down the evidence. Jack: There'S nothing to blame. Cristina: Yeah, that sounds most likely. Jack: It's more likely that these multi millionaires will sacrifice their existing property knowing they have more money in the bank then. Then a risk. Many years in prison. Cristina: That's crazy. But yeah, I think that might be more likely. Jack: And who would they pay? Most certainly somebody poor. Cristina: To start the fires. Jack: Somebody poor to go start the fire. Cristina: Yeah, that's probably not hard to do. Oh. Especially if they don't know what they're doing. What? Jack: But in either scenario, you're showing your f****** fear. In one, we're getting back at you, finally. In the other, you're scared. We're getting back at you, finally. There's no way around it. Every move that happens beyond seeing a CEO die is worse for all the rich people. It doesn't matter how the f*** they do it. If you guys started these fires, that's eventually coming out too. There's too many individuals. And as it gets a little more suspicious, you're gonna get the real intelligent individuals involved. The people who could find the flag in the middle of a random f****** country simply looking at the sky. Those people. Those people are looking in this direction now. What do you do when those people open their f****** mouth about what they find? Cristina: I can't wait. Jack: Interesting. And there's no amount of payoff. These people are rogue. These people are the kinds of individuals who. The who Alfred was talking about. Some men just want to watch the world burn. Cristina: Okay? Jack: And these guys, they're neutral party. They're neutral party enough to watch the world burn. Cristina: Crazy. Jack: That's why people get scared of places like 4chan. Cristina: You can't do anything about that. Jack: You can't stop a force that powerful. Cristina: Well, so we'll find out soon about what's really going on over there. Jack: Yeah. No matter what, the words are gonna come out. Somebody's gonna have the pro. Somebody's gonna put it in an indisputable Kind of way. And when that happens, it is f****** over. It's a snowball. And it continues to snowball. And it doesn't seem to be stopping. Every single day, the inch multiplies. So it began at one. The next day it's two. Perfectly fine. But the next day it's four. Still kind of slow. The next day is eight. It's picking up, but it's still slow. What happens at day 100? Oh, it doesn't stop. It's a snowball. The bigger the snowball, the more snow it can collect in a single rotation. So it gets bigger, faster. 00:50:00 Jack: So what do you do? Yep, Every single step. Why did you guys surround him? Why did you guys get politicians surrounding him? You made that too suspicious. People wanted to look at what's happening. People looked at what's happening and they're like, hold the up. This guy doesn't look the same. People started sending it to the right places. Hey, you dark individuals down there in the hole, we don't address because you guys are scary. Take a look at this. You guys never seem to be wrong. The dark spoke back and said, that's not the same guy. Well, interesting. The dark said, that's not the same guy. The dark has no stake in anything. They don't care. Leave us alone. And we're good. A question. And it was like, mirror, mirror on the wall, who the f*** is this guy? They were like, not the guy that they say he is. Well, interesting. Okay. Mirror, mirror on the wall had these fires get started. Well, they were all started in the down of where the draft was going. So it's gonna be taken up. Interesting. Fascinating little detail. Mirror, mirror, little by little, every move they make, points more at them. Cristina: Ridiculous. I don't get it. I don't get it. Especially though, turning off the water. Jack: It's an area they've wanted to turn into something like eat in. I mean like the Altena or Pasadena or Pacific Palisades. They wanted to upscale it, but it's a lower income area. What an opportunity. Cristina: Yes. Jack: That is actually interesting point that you would mention that that specific side with the poor people, weirdly enough, is the most important side here. That's the most. Because the other ones are just on point. It's too on the nose. It kind of like we have no information here. We don't know who did this. Could it be the poor attacking the rich? Could it? That's the one that tells us it's the rich doing it. Cristina: Yes. Jack: That's where they f***** up. That's where they F***** it up. Had they not hit that spot. Their greed got to them. Cristina: They revealed they hit it. But like the still. The whole water thing. Jack: No. No. Because it doesn't make any f****** sense. It doesn't make any f****** sense. All of them started down for this one. It also did. Cristina: Mm. Jack: That doesn't make any sense. You don't need to cut off the water for that immediately to be suspicious. Cristina: Mm. Jack: The fire started towards all of these rich areas. And in this one poor area that all those same rich a******* have been trying to buy out, the fire also started below. And it's the only area that the fire started at like that that isn't rich. And it's just so happens to be the one f****** spot they've all been trying to get. Cristina: Mm. That is very sus. Yeah. Jack: So all they happened with Sylmar is them out themselves. It's the cause the rich started it. Trying to delete all their data, trying to erase all their evidence. Cristina: Insane. Jack: Now we can throw away. This is the poor eating the rich for this fire instance. This is the rich getting desperate. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Because the dominoes are falling. Now the question is one of two things. Because again, everything splits down the middle. And again we're looking at the right people who know how to break this information apart. The theories that came up about this were actually really substantially good questions. Did the rich do it trying to cover up their tracks? Or did whoever. The individuals who actually. Who. Who are actually their bosses, the people who make them famous. The people who get them up there are like, we're gonna punish you guys for getting caught and cut that off so it doesn't come back to us. Because then people are gonna know who we are. Cristina: I don't know. That one mysterious. The one poor thing makes me think it's just the rich people. Jack: It could totally be. But the problem is the guy who runs them is still the rich people. And now your question has to be, would they destroy their own? Probably somebody punishing them is their boss. Like you guys are getting caught left and right. Nope. I'm not gonna be part of this. You it up. You're gonna get punished for it. Cristina: Okay. Jack: We know it's likely that not that the rich people themselves, but that their boss because of one f****** thing. The moment that the Diddy thing happened, they tried to connect the Epstein people to it. They're just trying to throw. Everybody looking at Diddy. Look at Diddy. Everybody look over there and leave us alone. Everybody keep looking at Diddy. Celebrities whole purpose in existence is to Distract people from 00:55:00 Jack: the CEOs and the politicians at this point. And they get paid knowing that's their f****** job. Your job is to cover up. And whatever the f*** happens, you're always going to be the COVID up. You're here to protect us. We'll make you famous because you want to be famous and because you're going to play ball. If you don't play ball, who gets famous? Nobody gets famous. If you don't play ball. Notoriously, you have to. But what ball are you playing? It's music. It's movies. What the f*** do you mean play ball? Who you playing ball for if you're all artists here? Oh, for the people who own the art companies. Yeah, the CEOs. For the people invested in the art companies. The politicians. Cristina: Crazy. Jack: Did he happens? Oh, the two lawyers are married now. Anybody who wasn't paying attention to Diddy. Oh, what are the odds? And now you got sucked into that side anyways. Tying random events so that you keep looking at Diddy so that you only look at the celebrities. That just makes the celebrities looks like their only job was ever to be a fall person. And you get to be famous. But if we ever ask you to fall, you have to. Cristina: Okay, does this make sense? Jack: Except somebody fall when they shouldn't have. Did he? He slipped. So we're gonna punish you. Extra. Extra. Anybody who can be outed because of you is also gonna be punished. Or the desperation of the f****** hit. We got to keep f****** throwing people in there. We got it. We can't bring attention to ourselves. Throw more noise at the Diddy situation. As loud as we possibly can. People looking too hard at a CEO getting shot by a random person. Cristina: There's too much happening. Jack: Too much happening. We're seeing it lose control. We're seeing people, the rich panic. Cristina: So then it is someone higher up doing all this. Jack: At least the dark holes with the information believe strongly it's leaning more in that favor. Okay, Whaat they believe it's leaning much more in favor of this is some. Cristina: Cleanup job or something. Jack: It's a cleanup job. It's a cleanup job. We're getting too close to revealing these lists. And now we just elected the guys who are going to do everything in their power to do that. Get rid of all the evidence. They straight up said they're gonna release all the information. Get rid of all the evidence. We're not connected to anything. Destroy everything. You can't find every shred of everything. Destroy it all. Destroy the house it happened in. Cristina: Okay? Jack: Everything goes no proof of anything. Cristina: Yeah. That's horrible. It's so crazy. It's so crazy. Jack: Desperate times are getting more desperate. The actions are looking more desperate. Either that or it is people, Civilians actively already attacking the rich. Cristina: That is one idea, I guess. Yeah. Jack: It seems less likely that sheep are going to try to attack a wolf. A lot of people have been brainwashed down into a really complacent spot in life where you're like, I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna risk me going to jail. That's. Which means somebody got paid to do this. How do you get paid to do this? Rich people paid you it. Cristina: That's the only way. That's really it. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: At the end of the day. Jack: And the rich people are doing it to cover their tracks. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: It's desperation. They're like, f*** all of Cali. There's nothing but poor people here. Anyways. F*** my house. I could buy another one anywhere. Dang it, Diddy Scott. I ain't hanging out with him anymore. Cristina: They probably start over. More than one house. Jack: Like, just go to the other one. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: It's safer to own property than it is to keep your money. They already separate their money into assets that they can liquidate at any given moment. Had they. If they needed more money. Can't be taxed on some s*** that isn't physical cash, man. Cristina: So most likely someone did this. Jack: Most likely. Several different civilians around the same time were all paid by rich individuals to destroy their homes through fires that would follow the draft and set ablaze to all the evidence that they were on that Epstein was close to them, that they were close to Epstein or that they were close to Diddy or any of that. It was those areas that were predominantly affected which is the sketchiest part of this whole. Cristina: Very sketchy. Jack: Very sketchy. Interesting note that. Cristina: That is pretty interesting. I don't know. I thought these are just fires or the aliens did it, but mostly just fires. Jack: Weirdly enough, the alien thing is a whole different mess that we're still unclear about. But somehow I am more convinced that also has to do with Luigi somehow. Cristina: Oh, my God. Jack: That's part of Luigi. Or the fire. All of this is one thing. Everything we're seeing is one thing occurring somehow. We just don't know how there's not coincidentally a thousand different. No, no, no, 01:00:00 Jack: no, no, no. Something weird is going on. And it's all one f****** thing. Cristina: And we're gonna figure that out. Jack: We're gonna figure that out. It's all one f****** thing. Cristina: All Right. Jack: We don't know how. No, because they're trying really hard to keep all the parts separate, but they keep slipping out. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And connecting random dots they didn't want people to see. Cristina: So I don't know. They still have such an advantage, but we'll see. Jack: They've never had an advantage, really. It just comes down to the fact that the people, like, real profound, hack through anything. Individuals, people, real skill, real talent. They don't care about other things. They're just. They love what they do. That's why they get as good at doing it as they get. So the people who can easily put a stop to them are not on their side or against them. They're neutral party, like, whatever. These are the same people who could just deposit a million dollars into their account off of anybody else's account. These aren't people who struggle in life. They're just bored and past time. But those are the right people to ask for information because they also love. Again, they love their job. They love what they do for fun. Cristina: It's not even a job. It's not even a job. Jack: It's for fun. Exactly. Well, I say the job because it's all they do. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: But they love what they do. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: The point that if you pose the question, you're gonna get the most honest, direct shot ever. And it's like, well, if we go through all our avenues and look at this from this light. From that light. From this angle. From that angle, this is what it looks like. Cristina: It's like, crazy. Jack: Thank you, you, you lovely skilled individuals, please dive deeper and reveal more. Cristina: Okay? Jack: And any of you 4chan individuals, I mean, anybody of you who are in here, you already know who I am over there. But any of you who haven't communicated with me because I don't necessarily post all the time. Good job. Cristina: Good job. Jack: And keep looking. Keep looking. I know where the real. I know we are the real people. Not saying I'm some crazy level hacker. I just hang out on 4chan, but I know that 4chan is the real people. Those are the people who could solve any problem or create any problem. That's what went FBI. That's when the FBI started getting handsy. They were like, hey, look what we found about you guys, okay? And they were like, oh, no, you guys are innocent. Never mind. You guys are innocent. Innocent. It's like, yeah, I thought we were. I thought we were. Now go away. Yes, gladly. Never again has the FBI bothered because that's. That's corruption. Cristina: Mm. Jack: But the problem is FBI in the pocket of a bunch of CEOs. So the FBI is coming down too. As everything starts to unravel and the snowball gets bigger, there are few things it's not gonna trample. Anyways, that's what I got. That's. Cristina: The week has been wild, I guess, or since the last time we've been here. Jack: Yeah, it's been heftily. Cristina: It's been an interesting start of the year. Jack: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. I initially wanted to do a year, a review of last year, but the first week of this year has been so much we couldn't. So maybe next week, but we might not even get to that, depending what happens between now and then. Cristina: All right, well, because we're gonna be. Jack: Following this closely because this is spinning out of control and I want to be here for it. So if you guys want information on this, be sure to find us and contact us with anything else you found or any details you think we should give us information? Yeah, anything you find, let us know. We're going to be talking about it. We're going to be your news source for what's happening here. So you can find us, you can contact us, you can reach us on our socials. That's at just convo pod on Tick Tock, on X, on Instagram, on Facebook. Feel free to reach out and tell us what things you want us to look at. Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show. Jack: And remember, word of mouth is the most overpowered thing in the world. And if you want people fully aware of the fact that the rich are slowly being eaten, we're the ones talking about it. Bring it this way. Tell them to come listen. Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. Jack: Saba. Good morning. Cristina: The podcast is hosted by Cristina Colazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts info, art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black. 01:05:15

Rambling 300: Diddy and Luigi

Is this reality? Is anything real? Can any source be trusted on any subject? The duo dive even deeper into the conspiracy theory surrounding the Chinese Drones and the CEO assassination. Now, with Diddy tied to Luigi, chaos ensues and the duo is increasingly suspicious of the United States Government and what their involvement in all this really is!

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  • Matrix Falling Apart
  • Deja Vu
  • Lover Lawyers
  • Government Coverup
  • Epstein’s Island
  • Floating Orbs
  • Government Drones
  • Chinese Invasion
  • Conspiracy Theory

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Rambling 300: Diddy and Luigi Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack. Cristina: And I'm your host, Cristina. Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today, as usual, we have a plethora of ideas to unpack, because there's nothing short of. But the ideas we got to unpack feel like we are in a simulation. Heftily. It feels intentional at this point. We've talked about this before. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: About how things in the world feel too intentional. And like, I feel like the puppet master is slipping and things are becoming too obvious or the matrix is falling apart. And this really began either 2016 or 2008 or somewhere or maybe 2001 at one of these points. Something broke. Cristina: Something broke. Jack: And, like, the snowball of ridiculousness or. I mean, we had a conversation the other day, and you mentioned something that I thought was really interesting. And maybe this is gonna freak out a lot of people listening, because it might be on the nose. Cristina: What? Jack: But maybe somebody is dying and they're witnessing as they're dying, and oxygen is slowly fading. The. You're witnessing all the things you've known mixing more and more as you're reliving your life. It's starting to make less and less sense. So somebody, me, you, maybe the listener is the only person who exists. And, okay, these events did happen in life. Not the way you're seeing them anymore, because you're seeing the event from over there and the event from over here kind of intersecting. And so it's looking crazier and crazier. It's so crazy. You're starting to notice even as you exist in the dream of dying. So you're just in state, just living your life. And then mixture is happening. But the mixture that I'm talking about last week, we were talking about the. Cristina: Drones that were invading, and I think they're still invading. And they still don't think they've stopped invading. Jack: They have not. They have been consistently invading. And then we had the CEO. Cristina: Luigi. Jack: Luigi. He's not the CEO. But Luigi took out the CEO. Cristina: I don't. No one knows the CEO. He's just the CEO. Jack: He's just a CEO. And all the CEOs panic, then whatever. And I don't know, for the last couple of years, NASA has consistently told us, oh, yeah, those videos we took from you guys to analyze, that we expunged from the Internet. We're putting them back up on the Internet and help us figure out what it is, because we don't know. You remember when they did that, they, like, public. Yeah. Like here, public, help us. We need your collective knowledge. And it was like, wait, you took these because they were like, foreign or something? You're telling us you don't know what they are? And now we get these drones and they're like, we don't know what they are. And it's like, what? But some of them look like your drones. But we figured something out. We figured something out. Talking about this. Cristina: They're investigating it. Jack: They're investigating it, right? What we see. The reason they're like, don't shoot the drones down 100%. This is what's happening. The reason they're saying, don't shoot the drones down is because all of the drones belong to us. The drones aren't foreign technology, the ones that have been shot. They're just normal technology. And we know where they came from. There's two different kinds of drones. There's a normal static drones and like military style drones. They're all up there fine. Okay. It was confusing at first and we thought they were looking at each other. Cristina: They're looking at something else. Jack: They're looking at the third thing in the sky. People keep uploading videos of floating orbs over and over and over. A bunch of people are like, oh, look at a drone. And it's just a floating orb. And I think they thought it had a light looking around or something. But some people have sent up drones and seen just floating orbs. Cristina: Really? Jack: So the lights aren't lights on drones. There are lights on drones and people see, no, there's a drone that's flashing. Cristina: Mm. Jack: But then there's the white light that's just hovering. That's probably what both types of drones are looking at. And yes, we know the military drones belong to us. While we're saying we don't know where the other drones came from. But the other drones, as we've determined, are Chinese technology. Okay, so we have Chinese drones. But they're not looking at people. They're not. They're doing what? They're hanging out in the same space. Cristina: With the lights, the lights. We're all looking at the lights. Jack: They're looking at the lights are trying like, what the f*** is this? And the reason that our government is like, don't shoot any 00:05:00 Jack: of it down is not just because it's their stuff up there too, but rather they're fully aware. They just don't want to panic the people and say it's directly Chinese. Although everybody who keeps unpacking is like, we can even Find the f****** Chinese imprint in the technology. It's all Chinese. But our government's like, we don't know where it came from. And it's because they're also, like, tied with the Chinese government. They're like, dude, anything anybody can tell us, please just. We'll make sure they don't shoot your s*** down. We'll have our s*** up there. Any country that wants. What the f*** is hovering over our sky. Everybody, all your best technology. Come on. Cristina: Okay. That's what you think is happening. Jack: That's probably what's happening. And so, as usual, we always work with China and then we tell people, oh, they're the villain, but we always work with China on everything, telling them they're our enemy. Always tied. We got. We have trade partners and we're political partners, and we're partners in a bunch of s*** with China just to keep claiming they're the enemy. Cristina: The whole Covid thing, that was us over there. Jack: 100%. It's all one. And we just. We could blame them as much as we want, but we're always working with them. The reason that we see both Chinese drones and American drones, and they unanimously tell us not to shoot any of them is because they know that those drones aren't a harm. We're all looking at the same thing, and they're working together, trying to figure it out. But you're not going to tell us that because they still got to sell us the bullshit propaganda that they're the enemy. Cristina: Okay. Jack: So they can keep us distracted for whatever other means that they're trying to accomplish. Cristina: Whatever that. Jack: It's unrelated. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: It just happens to be that they need to keep that narrative up. And this other event seems to be. Cristina: Happening, and the other event is just lights. Jack: The other thing is some kind of light in the sky, some orb or something. Something is happening and. Cristina: But they haven't used the words UFOs or not. Jack: Well, they don't use that anymore. Cristina: They say whatever the new word. They don't. Jack: They don't even use that word UAPS or something. Cristina: They haven't called it a uap. Jack: Yeah, they haven't. They avo. Because they genuinely. You know, this is. This is an interesting point, you know, when the government actually knows and when they don't, because they'll sell you some and have their labels and whatever. When they do know, and they just know it's a UAP and unidentified and people immediately, oh, my God, it must be aliens. But right now it probably is aliens. And they're saying what we're not throwing any words there. We're not going to say UAP because we say UAP when we need to misdirect them about something. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Right now, we actually don't f****** know. We can't say UAP because we don't want to miss direct population about what this thing might actually be and then have. Cristina: Also, they don't want their technology to be destroyed from people who are afraid of it. Yeah. Jack: Oh, it's aliens, but people still shooting. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: So the idea that this chaos continues to sort of spin out of control. Celebrity president in 2016, and we had a social media president in 2008, and we had the tower struck in 2001. And we have people sex changing, and we have school mass shootings, and we have all this sort of infinite spinning that's just a little more ridiculous than it was before. It's always more ridiculous than it was before. It's never less ridiculous than it was before. It's always more. Whatever the case might be. We had snow in Texas. Oh, s***. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Is that crazy snow in the Sahara Desert? Cristina: Okay, that sounds crazy. I don't know. Jack: We have seven storms in a row hit the same part of the United States in one month. Just over and over. F****** kept going. This weird, glitchy, impossible thing is happening in it. Again. More ridiculous than it was before. More ridiculous than it was before. Cristina: This is part of that whole Mandela effect theory thing. I like when that happened, everyone was like, that's when they decided we were in the Matrix or the Matrix is breaking or whatever. Jack: Fascinating. The Mandela effect might be part of it. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Not a result of it, but rather the Mandela effect is a result. Cristina: Yeah. Of the Matrix breaking. Jack: Yes. Cristina: Part of that. Many things that were happening at the same time. Jack: So you remembered it one way, but then it showed up a different way. Fascinating. The Mandela effect does fit in there perfectly. And I guess that if we really are dying and everything is kind of like mixing to kind of make more sense of that, deja vu would make sense too, because you would literally have been reliving the moment. Jack: It's your second time there. And sometimes, maybe when you have deja vu, it's because it was exactly as the moment was before. It's not a weird, tampered moment. It's a moment where other things didn't leak in. So your memory was so intact, you literally thought it was the same moment. Cristina: Weird. Is deja vu happening more and more? That'd be crazy 00:10:00 Cristina: to find out. Jack: You know what's weird. And I think Everybody shares this experience. Deja vu happens less as you get older. And it's weird that that would be the case because you would have done the same things more as you've gotten older. So moments would feel more repeated over time if that was the cause. But it's not. You live longer and experience it less instead of more. So you're experiencing something that didn't exist before. To frame that better, deja vu must be a memory of something. It actually did happen in a different life. But as you structure around this life and build filters around this life, you have less and less access to it. So when you do something like drop acid and your walls come down and all those filters come down, maybe you get to sense deja vu more and see other versions of your existence that you've walled out structurally. Cristina: Okay. Jack: As you've gotten older. Cristina: Are you sure? If people feel what. Jack: What do. What do you think? Would you agree? Cristina: I don't know. I have no idea. Jack: Do you feel you used to have deja vu more in the past and less as time goes by? Cristina: I feel like it's been equal and, like, very rarely. Either way. Jack: Interesting. Okay, so now, after confirming, yes, it is less. Cristina: Then what you're saying is right. You just build walls. Jack: Yes. Yeah. So for anybody listening, we just took a pause for a moment as we looked it up, and. Yeah, no, statistically speaking, it declines more around 25 years of age is where it ends in high frequency. And then it just starts to decline rapidly, and it happens more in later teens, early 20s, sort of peaking roughly around 18, presumably, which lines up nicely with age. But then that goes to say that why do. Why are we having these experiences more? I mean, less with time? Like, we had more life experiences in the past. Doesn't make sense. Cristina: Doesn't make sense. Jack: Unless we did have more life experiences in the past. Yeah, we're just slowly erasing that as we structure our new personality. And we're like, we weren't that person. We're this person. Cristina: Yes, yes. Jack: And the times we do still have it are things that break through that are too perfectly exact and remind us. And we've already built this Persona, so when they happen, they're like, oh, weird. It feels like I did this before. Cristina: But it's still you. It's just different you. Jack: Yes. Cristina: It's like all your timelines are happening at this moment. Jack: That is another possibility. If we're just gonna talk exclusively deja vu and not try to connect it to any of the things we were just talking about, then deja vu in a logical descriptor of the fact that it's including time, you feel moments are repeated. And we would have to sort of assume that it's somehow connected to foresight and to future sight and past site. Then deja vu is you literally seeing another instance that they're so identical. Maybe the fabrics that create different universes are literally touching and you're feeling another exact instance. So it's. Instead of us being like, wow, I feel like I did this before. No, you're doing this right now elsewhere. And they're closely contact. How do I put this for people who don't understand the visual? I'm trying to explain. If you had a bunch of sheets stacked on top of each other and you. Each one had. Okay, better yet, caricature and animations. When you have a bunch of pages with one image slowly moving. So two universes are similar. When two pages are very close, the movements look almost identical. When you're flipping through and you stop, if you look at two pages right next to each other, the cartoon looks almost the same. That was drawn on both of those pages. Slightly different, but almost identical. Now, that would be too close by universes. If you picked two really far away universes, you could pick the first page and the last page and see the cartoon doing two completely different things in both of those. Now it's the same cartoon, but the more similar they are, the closer they are. And sort of dimensionally, we would be talking that are not dimensional because we're within all the dimensions even now. But all the timelines, all the alternate universes, parallel universes would be the different pages, and really different versions of you are just pages of you really far away and parallel. The universes are literally the pages closest to you. Those are events almost identical. The closest pages are almost the same. So in the scenario I'm talking about, deja vu would be two of those pages touching or something, and you'd be. Cristina: Like, it wouldn't make sense. That only happens when you're 00:15:00 Cristina: young. Jack: It wouldn't. It wouldn't. That's. Cristina: Why would you block that, be able to block that out when you're older? Jack: I don't know. Well, I'm answering your perspective. You said it wasn't that, so I'm just answering what that would be like. In the case of deja vu, being connected to dying, it would make more sense that you're literally experiencing a past life. And as time goes by, you structure that life more and more out. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: If we apply that same logic, though, maybe the reason we feel it less, maybe we always have the ability to feel our other timelines, but it's useless information. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: So like all we, when we're children, we have immense perception of things that we cannot perceive as adults, but it's because they're not in necessary for survival. So psychologically, we start to block things out from existence. You can prove this by, for example, when you're in a crowded room, you can focus on whatever is the most dangerous sound at any moment. And that would just tune out all the other s***. It's still there, but you've erased it from your existence because you heard a siren really far. Now all you hear is a siren really far. You stopped hearing the people in the crowded building, but it's because you're looking for the danger and knowing that the people around you is still important for the danger. Because people can hurt you. So they haven't really erased in such a way that they stop existing. They just become. The volume went so down. But if you need to bring it back suddenly, it's still there. And if somebody does something weird, your subconscious will bring it into loudness again suddenly. If somebody yelled, you wouldn't not hear them. Just because you're listening to the siren and all the volume went down, you'd hear that person too, over you, silencing everything. Because that's still relevant now. An alternate universe that we might have been able to detect our whole time that you can't affect in any manner, shape or form. You would never need that information. So as you get older, instead of learning how to turn down the volume and turn it back up, you erase it from existence. It's still there. Just remove it. And when you're a baby, you can't function because you're existing in all these different planes, trying to move in one of them, but you don't know how to do that yet. You're all the different planes doing all the different movements all at the same time, everywhere, simultaneously. But you learn over time to structure one perspective. Cristina: Being a child, that's horrifying them. Jack: Or there's no reference. I guess there's no reference. I mean, you do literally just scream and cry all the time, but there's no reference point. It's all of everything. You're God. A baby equals God in this moment, because he is all the versions. Cristina: Crazy. Jack: That's weird to think about, because biblically, that would also make sense, right? The narrative always holds up. Hermes isn't wrong. Everything is cyclical and everything is one. Even in the Bible. God creates a universe. Eventually, God creates Jesus. And that's what a singular forced perspective. Down, down. He's everything and then he's not. The baby is everything. A baby is every version of him. But slowly you need to structure so that he's not. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Why is individuality out of the everything important? Everything strives for it. Cristina: That's very interesting. I don't know. It makes me think of, like, those people that are just kidnapping children. Like, are they also doing it with babies? Not doing anything with babies. But, like, are there experiments being done to babies to know about reality? I don't know. It's weird. Jack: It is very odd that the. I don't know. How would you be able. How would you be able to process it? How would you be able to build a test so that you could run on a baby? And it makes sense. Cristina: I don't know. That is true, but I don't know. When technology advances, they'll come up with something like trying to look into our dreams. Like, that doesn't seem like a possible thing. But there are people working that. Jack: Yeah, 100%. 100%. And there are people who are slowly creating images of what's in our dreams. And that's weird. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: I'm gonna figure it out. We're gonna figure it out. Because I was reading an article. I don't know if it's true or not. It's probably bullshit. But the attempt to sell the thought was that Google's quantum computer can sense other. Like a parallel universe is. I'm like, get the f*** out of here. But then quantum calculations would suggest that by default, we believe in quantum states. We could do this. So they'd be claiming something that we believe something quantum could actually do. Cristina: So then they wouldn't be shocking if it can do it. Jack: Exactly. Problem is, Google's quantum computer is really a quantum chip. And the quantum chip can't be used because it needs to be kept near absolute zero temperature. But it is a quantum chip. I just need to make the system in which you could use it. Cristina: They don't have the system. They just have the chip. 00:20:00 Jack: They have the chip that would make anything quantum. But you need to be able to run it, which means you need to be able to bring everything else down to not overheat the chip and keep its fidelity. Cristina: That seems like a complicated problem. Jack: That's why quantum computing sucks. It's really hard to do. Cristina: So then they're not doing it. Jack: Yeah. Like, really? The claim doesn't make any sense except, like, how did they test. It would be my question. If you can't run the chip. Jack: Unless this is. Well, it should theoretically be able to. Cristina: That's. That's really unfair. That doesn't make any sense. I mean, I guess you can say that, but, like, that doesn't mean anything. Yeah. Jack: I don't know. Anyways, the world's falling apart, reality starting to break down, and then we got these freaking. All this came from the aliens and the dude being shot. But the reason that it's getting more absurd and that I bring up all these past things is because even these things get more absurd. I'll list a couple of more absurd things so that we have a reference point. For example, that one time that a bunch of Democrats were so angry at Trump, and Trump is a manipulator, so he knew that whatever he said they would want to do, do the opposite, because we got a monster and idiots fighting each other for anybody who's on either side. A bunch of people following a narcissistic psychopath and a bunch of idiots who are narcissistic psychopaths kind of fighting each other. So Donald Trump is a narcissistic psychopath with a cult following of idiots, while the entire left is a bunch of narcissistic psychopaths. They're not. They are. They're not following one. They just are. And they. They're fighting each other. And the fight is so stupid that Trump was like, those idiots are just going to say the opposite of whatever I want, no matter what, and then publicly says, I don't want to sign the bill that his side proposed. But, of course, no person on the left does homework, so they just, you better sign the f****** thing, thinking it was proposed by their side. So then he goes publicly and says, the Democrats made me do it, and he signs a bill, and then the immigrant children had to go to prison with their parents. That kind of stupid s***. That's where the world we live in right now. Cristina: Mm. Jack: You know? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: That kind of ridiculous. Like, whoa. Cristina: Well, did that happen? Jack: The cartoon? Yeah, it's comedy. It's just happening by itself at this point. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Or the. The LGBT push that ultimately had. It kind of shot itself in the foot because they were, like, openly trying to indoctrinate children at one. How have we not arrested people who canceled a parade when we said, have it. You just can't bring anybody under 18 to it? And they were like, then screw the parade, bro. I thought you said you didn't have an agenda. But again, they're not going to find, okay, an island of children harvesting was discovered. The government's like, now, we're not gonna give you answers and we're not gonna arrest anybody. And everybody just has to eat it. That's just reality. That's also happening. Cristina: Rest one guy. Jack: Yeah, the guy who's gonna rat on. Cristina: Everybody with a bunch of people, but no, just this one guy. Jack: Yeah. Officials found the island, so we're gonna get rid of the one guy who was connected to everything and can rat on everybody. And you guys are never gonna know who else. That's reality. That's happening. That's the truth. We sooner got people release from the P. Diddy thing. We know, we got tapes, we got video. Because it's celebrities. It's a distraction that was always there to distract you. So of course they can find that easily. They can easily give you who's on the Epstein list. They just don't want to because it's so easy. I guarantee you P. Diddy had it more locked up. But they wanted it because it's a distraction for you. You're focusing on celebrities, not politicians and world leaders who did the same exact thing. You're talking more about Diddy now than Epstein because the celebrity ism. You don't know the names of who. Who is over there if they're not celebrities? Cristina: I don't know. So far, no one has forgotten about Epstein 100%. Jack: But the only names anybody is looking for are the names of celebrities on the list. People they already know. If you said this random name, you'd be like, who the h*** is that? Maybe that guy runs a company that owns most of the other companies, but you're really still just looking for celebrity names. Cristina: Yeah, Familiar names. Jack: That's it. So they gave you that with P. Diddy. A bunch of names, you know, oh, my God, this celebrity and that celebrity and distractions, distractions, distractions, distractions. Because easy, you'll stay focused on it and stop asking questions about. And the more that P. Diddy speaks, the more that things are said about P. Diddy, the less things we're going to hear about Epson. The idea is to bury it and everybody's an idiot. Everybody's falling for it. They're going to keep falling for it because you're going to. The more you try to say, yeah, but what about the Diddy. But what about the Epstein list? The more you say, the 00:25:00 Jack: more crap. They're going to throw this to distract you. Eventually, they're catching everybody. They're going to throw the right thing to catch Your attention, even if you resisted all the other s***. Cristina: But the title. Jack: They have all your data. They have all your data. They know everything you've ever done, everything you've ever been interested in. Slowly, they began with the massive things that's already suppresses a lot of the smaller, accurate voices. Throw the massive people of celebrityism and gossip and blah. Okay? That takes out the whole top majority that doesn't think some people are like, I'm not gonna be distracted. I know this is a distraction for the Diddy list. I mean, for the Epstein list. I know this is a distraction from the Epstein list. So, okay, guy goes and shoots a CEO. Okay, okay. Interesting. Now you got some. Oh, yeah. Well, they deserve it, you know, CEOs. Because the reason I was worried about the Epstein list, because the elites. Well, that guy's one of the elites. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They took him out, you know. Well, now you're talking about that. You're not talking about Epstein anymore. Cristina: So I think everything's just a distraction. Jack: Not just for that. Not just literally is an example of how easy it is for them to keep finding things to distract you from one thing. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Except they're doing it about everything related to them, the same power. But anyways, it gets more ridiculous is the point. Everything gets more ridiculous. So in this very instant, the ridiculousness is so. Is such that the guy who shot the CEO and the person currently dealing with P. Diddy. So the lawyer of one and the lawyer of the other are a married couple. Cristina: Okay. Jack: The lawyer of the kid who shot the CEO and the lawyer of either. I don't. I think it was Diddy's lawyer. I think it's actually Diddy's lawyer and the lawyer of the kid who shot. Those are a couple. That's a married couple. Cristina: Silly. Huh? Jack: That's reality right now, I guess. Cristina: I guess that is. I don't know. It's odd. Doesn't make sense. I don't know. Jack: Well, it does make sense if you consider what I just said. Cristina: That's just part of the distraction too. Jack: Well, I'll fill you in on how they got the people who were too focused on the Epstein list, but could get distracted by the kid shooting the CEO now interested in the celebrities because those people are one. You just ended up over there. Regardless of you trying so hard to stay over here. They made it seem like that was over here. And you're like, oh, that's both about elites. Epstein list is about elites. The CEO shooting is about elites. Epstein shooting. I mean, the shooting of the CEO is the most recent thing. I'm a focus on that because that's an actual instance of an elite getting it. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And he's connected to celebrities. Wait, so I have to look into the celebrities? Because the CEO is tied to that over there, not over here. You have still nothing given to you about the Epson list. You have. Your only trail connects back to the celebrities. Cristina: Mm. Jack: So even if you weren't over there, they're making sure you land over there because they need to distract it. Everything is gonna tie back to the celebrities. Cristina: No matter what celebrities is. What's the important thing? Okay. Are they making this guy a celebrity or people doing that? Jack: They're not. People are doing that. The media is just trying to get you distracted by Diddy. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: So they tied the two separate problems up together. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And now that's the headline. Cristina: Okay. Jack: So that even for the people who were distracted by the CEO, now you get the Diddy headline with the CEO combined as one thing. They're trying to move you over there. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Keep pushing you to that side to. Cristina: Forget about everything else. Jack: Yeah. So they can keep doing what they're doing. And they're gonna keep trying to distract you. Everything is a distraction. And the problem is, last week, we were also talking about how it's difficult to even trust the Internet. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Because it seems like a lie. So much of it. Cristina: And that seems like lie. Jack: I mean, like, what are the odds any of this has even happened at this point? I gotta see all of this. I gotta see the kids. The problem is, I would still believe it's all tampered. If you showed me a footage of it happening and you weren't the government, I would believe you got that from somewhere. They put it anyways, you know, Like, I don't know. What the f***. I don't know how to bypass the fact that they could always be lying. Ultimately. Cristina: Yes. I don't know. It is tricky. And then, like, I don't know. People are very obsessed with the Luigi thing, though. Jack: Yes, they are. Cristina: Luigi. And whatever happens 00:30:00 Cristina: to him, like how he might get the. What is it called when you. Death penalty. Yes. Instead of, like, what they were comparing it to school shootings and how nothing really happens to those people. Jack: Yeah. They're fine. Cristina: People are really upset about this. Jack: Yeah. Yeah. They're gonna punish him unfairly, as they would. Again, people who. Mass murder in school shootings. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Get less than one dude who killed one guy, and the guy he did is responsible for millions dead. But it's because he's an elite. That's it. Cristina: That's it. Jack: That's the only difference, the only thing that changes. And we're all going to eat it. Everybody's just going to be okay with it. We're going to complain, but nobody's going to stand up and do anything. Cristina: Oh, no. Jack: We're just going to be complacent until people stand up and do something in groups. You're not going to go, oh, I'm the only one who's going to go over there, just going to kill you or arrest you or something? Cristina: Yes. Jack: Everybody needs to stand up. Cristina: This is a cover up for the aliens in New Jersey. I don't know. Because they're like, everyone who's not in New Jersey is making fun of the people in New Jersey for talking about the drones. But like, what if it is something happening? Jack: What if it is something happening? And yeah, that's crazy, right? Because last week, what were we talking about? The drones themselves might be a distraction. Cristina: Yeah, if they're distraction, then, like, what if there is something happening? There could still be something happening. Jack: I think the government is doing. If they're all. If everything is a distraction. The government's doing the sketchiest s*** it's ever done ever. That's it. It's all in one shot. Aliens and f*** it. They're doing everything. Everything is being thrown at the wall because they're doing something sketchy, bro. Cristina: But do you think they're doing it in New Jersey or it just happens that they just want it? Just choosing anything. Anything that's happening is what's. I don't know. Jack: I don't know. I don't know. You're jumping from thought to thought because it's like, is, are they all. Or is there something happen? Are these real? Cristina: Yes. Jack: You know, because it's like, I don't know. If your question is if they are all fake, then what's happening? I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Cristina: There's no way to know. Jack: There's no way to know. It only makes sense if some of this is real. And then we can try to deduce what is actually occurring for that being real. And the other stuff not. Cristina: Mm. Jack: If the CEO killing was real, then the drones could easily be a distraction for things like that. People focusing on that and not, oh, well, we could take out the CEOs. Wow. This is the thought, oh, we should start doing that. Maybe, you know, throw f****** aliens and they'll get distracted, scream louder about P. Diddy. But the fact is they're not trying to suppress that. In fact, they're trying to get people to talk about it more. Just over there, where they're not asking about what? Who knows? Something. Cristina: Something. I don't know. Jack: The problem being now that we've tied the CEO with P. Diddy, it's unrelated to the aliens. Meaning the distraction is not the UFOs. This new information actually removes the possibility that the distraction is the flying objects. Because the attention is strongly being focused. Cristina: Yes. And they're calling those people like crazy for talking about it. They're trying to get people to not talk about it. Jack: They're trying to discredit it really hard. Cristina: Yes. There's nothing to see here type of thing. Jack: Yeah, exactly. I mean, they literally told that to a senator who was like, what the h*** do you mean? It was flying over my house and nobody's worried. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Interesting. Yeah. That's another thing. A bunch of senators have been making governor. Senators and mayors have been publicly, like, why is the government giving us no answers? Everybody's like, dude, come on. We. We're seeing it. And if, like, this happened over the White House, you would have answers within seconds. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Why don't you have answers right now? And like, that's legit. They have a total point. The fact that they're going on publicly saying this means they're not in on whatever it is. Cristina: So that is the Definitely something happening. There's something happening while everyone's saying, don't worry about it. Jack: The distraction is the celebrities. 100%. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: The distraction is the CEO. That was just chance that it happened. But they're like, whatever. It's more noise. Use it. Drop out there. We know whoever runs a show is opportunistic, like no one's business. Anything that does happen by mere chance, well, that'll help us. And they'll structure around it quickly and make things dramatic, and they'll drain anything out 00:35:00 Jack: of all its resources. Just trying their best to distract you by. Even if they didn't cause it. 911. It was an inside job. Probably not. 100% not an inside job in the sense that they got into planes and they brought it. It's also not likely they told the enemy, come and do it. 99.99% chance they accept. Yeah, 100%. The entry. We. We know they intercepted something long before it happened. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Stocks moved everywhere. All the rich people were down. They knew. They moved some weeks ahead, some days ahead to the same things that all went up and they climbed with it. So they knew even if they didn't cause it. That was opportunism at its finest. We can go to war and go get the resources we want. We can all profit off of the stocks that are going to go up. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Opportunism. We know whoever runs a show is. Cristina: Opportunistic because it happens. So many. That's just one of the many situations that feel like that, that it's like they had to have known. Jack: Like, they're capitalizing. Cristina: Yeah, Covid. Jack: Maybe they. Maybe they knew there was a rogue agent in there who's like, I'm gonna f*** these people. F*** the world. They. I'm poor. They pay me dog s***. I work hard hours in here all the f****** time. They don't give a f***. I' breaking the vials and walking out. Let's see what happens. The planet. And they somehow got wind of that, and they're like, well, let's move money and stocks the way we usually do. Whatever. Cristina: Okay. Jack: We'll go hide in a bunker as the people die off. It's fine. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Again, stocks moved everywhere right before COVID breaks. When? In the first month, it was what, 2019? Like, October, November. Stocks by the rich here and there, but that's when the first sound of it. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Okay. A little whisper here, a little whisper there. Like, f****** move the stocks everywhere. Let's get rich. So they knew. Opportunism, always. CEO gets shot. Wasn't a plan, but we can work it in. We can work it in. A chef for sure. Cristina: Okay. Do you think they knew someone was planning something? Jack: No, I think it was random because usually they warn him. They're all in on it together. They would have warned them. They're all buddy, buddy. But this one slipped, and they caught him. He. He left no trace that he was going to do it when he did it. Well, it happened, man. They killed Bob. That sucks. Yeah, but that means his company stocks are going to drop. Oh, that means. That means Tom. Stocks are going to skyrocket. Right? Let me call. Let me call Tom real quick. Jump in on that. Oh, wait. This is so loud that the people are gonna. Why don't you just put a little bow on it tight to Diddy over there. We can. They don't know. We just make the story in the background, Falsify papers. We own the businesses that make the official papers. Who gives a s***? They won't be able to prove anything. We own the program that stores the data. If they were able to hack and look for it, they would just find the s*** we made up. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Why not make Them a couple. Why not keep them distracted? Why not? Opportunism. Cristina: See, see the fact that that got. Jack: Blasted on the news so hard. The fact that they want to talk about it so much now, now it's related to P. Diddy. Couldn't escape it somehow. A bunch of people just got tied back in. I bet they'll tight random s*** to P. Diddy. I bet the closer people get to Epstein's list, the more s*** that's just gonna be related to Diddy instead. Cristina: Really? Yeah. Jack: H*** yeah. H*** yeah. All the people who we know were on the Epstein list, the first thing. Cristina: They'Re gonna reveal that was on the list is gonna be pity dirty, obviously. Jack: 100. No, but that's not. Listen to what I'm saying. All the names that people already know were on the list without it being released are the celebrities that have been revealed to be on the P. Diddy parties. And people were like, oh, right, the prince was on the. Cristina: The prince was not on the Diddy thing. Jack: No, Diddy parties. Cristina: Really? Jack: Too many people at Diddy parties. Oh, Jay Z is on the. Oh, wait, but. Jay Z is in the. Oh, but Beyonce with oh, but but. And it's like, wait, so you're just tossing the names people do know so that people stop looking over here and. Cristina: People, they think it's the same list, but it's not really the same list. Jack: It's not the same list. Maybe these people weren't even on the list. Cristina: Like a teeny piece of that list. You think they're just picking, making up names? Jack: No, I don't think they're making up names. Oh my God. There's not. P. Diddy didn't do anything. P. Diddy didn't f****** do anything. Maybe only the people who can for a fact be identified are gonna be moved over to the Diddy list. And those are the people from the Ebbs team list. The whole f****** Diddy thing is a distraction. Cristina: I'm pretty sure Diddy did that though. 00:40:00 Cristina: Maybe he did that. Jack: Listen to me, you're thinking so ridiculously small scale right now. Diddy would have all the proof of the events Diddy did and the fact the celebrities get put through trials where they must be recorded so that they do have some blackmail so they always stay in line. That f****** sounds like the things the elites that are on the f****** Epstein list would do. It's the same information. All they did was use the information, craft the story around Diddy. Of course Diddy was doing the thing did he was probably doing on Epstein's Island. Maybe Diddy didn't have any events. Maybe all of these events are just Epstein island events. Twisted and turns that Diddy seems like the ringleader because he's the guy who was caught. And people. Maybe he was one of the higher up ranks on Epstein's Islander. The people who run these circles or whatever the. So Epstein was this the top. He's the top. Top of whatever the structure is. And Diddy is a part of whatever the structure is. Kill f****** Epstein. He's not talking about any of us. Tragically, those of you who've gotten busted or are going to and we know are going to, and we can't hide it because you were f***** up and got caught. You're all gonna be moved to the list and story we're gonna form to protect the rest of us. We have videos of you. We have videos of the people we're gonna. And we're gonna structure this in such a way that somebody's gonna be the fall. Now, this could have played two different ways. Either Diddy was designed as a fall guy from the beginning so that if anything ever goes south, your fame, that we're gonna give you the power that you do whatever the f*** you want on Earth, but if s*** ever hits a fan, you're the guy taking the hit. That's a trade off. Cristina: Okay. At least they gave him a few years because many. Yeah. Jack: And he probably thought it was never going to happen. Cristina: And they probably told him had that time to prepare. Jack: Fair 100%. And on the flip side, because it's. Cristina: Not like it happened yesterday. Jack: Like he had no 100%. And I'll tell you the next thing. Sure. He's the public fall guy. I'll say that again because matters. He's the emphasis. Public fall guy. He goes to prison in a locked up box because he's a monster. Which one of us casual people who isn't an elite is looking at him in that box to make sure he's there. Fall guy. I'm just gonna go live like a king now because my soul, my role has been served. I can't be a celebrity anymore because I'm allegedly in prison. But I'm gonna go over there where I'm fine on my other cool island with the rich people come visit me all the time anyways. Why wouldn't I. Why would I actually go to prison? I could pay everybody. I'm a billionaire. And I'm the billionaire. Who's the fall guy. The whole plan was, if this ever happens, I'm gonna be removed from the public eye. And they're gonna say I went to jail and now I'll go live my life the rest of my life in peace. Because the story got made because people got caught. And they need to fall guy, mate. Or he's just a guy who was part of the circles. And you got busted, bro. You got busted hard. We're just going to make you look like the leader. Because if they think it's Epstein also running this ring. No, no, no. We're not having that. So anybody who's been busted, we're going to make up this new ring and you're the f****** fall guy. F*** you. Yeah, you were one of us. Now you're not too bad. Don't get caught next time. Opportunism. They could have had videos, which they do of each other. Intentional. All their elites and anybody who can't get away gets added to the Diddy list. And they were all. There was no Diddy list. All the Diddy lists are epsting lists. It's all the one. It's all one list. Cristina: Okay. It's just a little fraction of the bigger list. Jack: It's just a made up invention to distract from the Epson list. Cristina: Okay, but it's not made up because those people are actually on that list. Jack: Yes, well, it is made up because there's no Diddy real scenario. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Yes, there were Diddy parties, but the access and ability and power and privacy all provided by Epstein Conglomerate. Cristina: Mm. Jack: You know. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And so, yeah, he might have been hosting his parties, but there's probably parties being hosted everywhere. A bunch of different people here and there hosting parties here and there. Just as horrible. But they're all within the same protection circle. He just happened to get caught. And people within his thing. So they're falling or cutting it off. And anybody who got caught on this list, we're writing into that. All of you. Cristina: Reality of strange. Jack: I don't know, but that's like. This could totally be a possibility because of how prominent this comes as people keep saying, where's the epsing? And I'll scream louder about that list. Cristina: Mm. That list is easier 00:45:00 Cristina: to access. Jack: Easier to access. And they had time to structure it to put whoever they want and build the narrative and this and that. And they'll keep talking to you about it. Oh, and these people were there. Oh, and they did this and. Oh, they did that. Cristina: Here's the video proof. Jack: They'll keep. Yeah, they'll keep. There's a video of Diddy. Either people could. I don't know who's on the. On the audio. My bad audio. And I don't know who's on the audio, if it's Bad Bunny or if it's whoever the h*** some musician allegedly on the video crying as Diddy is f****** them in the audio. And there's probably thousands of those from Epstein's Island. Millions. Millions, maybe. But they gave you that one because they don't want you to talk about Epson. They want you to be like, oh, look, more proof about Diddy. They could find all of this. You're telling me Diddy, who had more money than some of the people on the Epstein's list, he didn't have it more locked up than the people on the Epstein's list. This dude is way richer than some of those people, and he didn't have access to the same security measures and definitely better ones, especially being a gangster rapper where he's dealing with gangster s***. Come. Come on. You trying to sell me this narrative believably. Huge loophole right there. Cristina: I don't know. Especially. I don't know. Like, he's been doing this forever. And then what happened? What happened that it's now out? What was the thing that made the difference? Jack: Actually, don't know. I have no idea what got the ball rolling. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: But probably somebody intentionally built the out. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Time to release it. Cristina: Mm. Jack: You know what? I never thought about that. I never thought about that. That's something worth looking at. Let's check that out. Cristina: It's gonna be something so small and ridiculous. Jack: Get the out of here. His girlfriend suddenly, after 10 years of going through the same thing at a random moment, decided, I'm gonna go talk about what he did and file a lawsuit. Nah. Get the out of here. Cristina: And she knew everything. Jack: She knew everything the whole time. And put all the thing on blast. And it's like, nah, nah. Ten years. You just happen to say it now just in time to distract people from the. Get the out of here. Nope. You got paid. Cristina: Yeah, that's exactly what I was saying. Like, she got paid 100%. Jack: She was paid to be the girlfriend, and she was paid the rat. I'm sure every one of these m************ has some chick or some dude watching over them, collecting extra background information just in case of s***. You're part of our circle, bro. No. You'll be watched so that when you slip. Cristina: Yeah. Like, how do you put up with that? The moment you see something like, you're just going to, like, I don't know. That's kind of crazy. Jack: And the fact that the other allegations followed, but she settled it the next day, it looks like. Say it. So the allegations come in. Cristina: Yeah, she just got the ball rolling. Jack: She got the ball rolling and back. Yeah, that's too intentional. Cristina: That's kind of crazy. Whoa. Jack: That's too intentional. This was an intentional distraction. A hundred percent. You guys want a sex scandal? Here you go. Yeah, you were talking about it. Here's celebrities in a sex scandal. Enjoy. Stop talking about the politicians and the elites in it. There's no way you can convince me otherwise now. Cristina: Very sus. I don't know. Jack: Yeah, this is manufactured and 100%, that's why Diddy is tied up with the shooting. Because the lawyers. 100% that that's not real. None of this is real. Cristina: No. Jack: The whole Diddy case opened up because it needed a distraction. And these tying up the CEO, they need a distraction. They have a story they want you to focus on and they're going to keep connecting everything to it. Cristina: Turning all the events, though, are real. Jack: What events? Cristina: Whatever he was doing was really happening. They were just letting it happen until they wanted to choose the moment to let us know. Jack: Unknown if that's true. Because now you're just assuming that everything else is true and that he was in fact the ringleader as opposed to. He is one of many. Cristina: Well, yeah, but still, it's like that. Yes. Like he was still part of it. Jack: Like he was part. Cristina: It was still a real thing that was happening. Jack: Yes. Diddy parties, a lot of celebrities with video proof of them at there at that time have been like, I didn't see anything. Because Diddy parties were probably not what people think they are. They were private celebrity parties. Now, that doesn't stop Diddy from having been in parties that had minors and had sex abuse and had all these things happening. But the parties that people are talking about with Diddy parties are not. But the creation of the concept of the Diddy party being the same party with the sex act does one important thing. And we also talked about this last time. It 00:50:00 Jack: creates confusion. It does, because there are celebrities who can prove nothing happened. But then there are celebrities that were at the Diddy parties and claim, I experienced all of them. And then you have the what the is going on? The confusion matters. Confusion matters because now you can talk about it. If you just had a flat answer, you wouldn't talk about it. But now which celebrity is who in? Oh, no, you're just playing celebrity. Guess them all. Cristina: Yes, yes, yes, yes. Jack: And that'll keep you distracted over There. Who else is on the list? Oh, well, this person knows that person. People. Oh, pictures of Drake hanging out with P. Diddy. Oh, pictures of Kendrick hanging out with P. Diddy. Both of those people found their lane after the beef. They're like, oh, no, you're hanging out with the pito. No, you're hanging out with Peter's. Like, both of you were hanging out with the pito. Mean, either one of them did anything. That doesn't mean anyone didn't. Yeah, they could have just as much and just as not 100 if there's. Yeah, but the point is that question. And you'll point at each other, and your celebrity is a no. Yours is. Yeah, whatever. Keep doing that. Don't do it about us. Do it about them. Cristina: It's just a distraction. Jack: All of it is distraction. It feels too elaborate. Cristina: That's how the balls began. Really? That's crazy. Jack: Girlfriend decided to talk suddenly and then. Cristina: Back out the next day after so long putting up with it or just making this case and a big. Jack: Oh, never mind. Next day. Yeah, I'll take the money. I wasn't gonna do it yesterday. Yeah, I'll take it. Okay. What? What? What? Can do it. When he offered, you initially had to do it after you spoke. That was important part. Cristina: The important part. Yes. Was getting. Jack: Getting the word out. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: So that everybody else like, oh, no. The closest person said, if the rest of us do, it'll be believable. But the point was to get the ball rolling. Cristina: Mm. That's insane. Jack: Everybody likely has these fall pins built in. Well, look, in order to control you later, we need you to do some horrible things to some people. We're gonna suppress intentionally, but collectively, it could f*** you. So you stay in line. Yes, sir. I want that fame and fortune. Yes, sir. I'll fall in line. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Why we're always guilty here. As long as I don't rat on you, you don't rat on me. As long as I don't slip up, all is good. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Except tragically, somebody had the fall, and now, in hindsight, they're like, if we don't. The CEO thing was going to happen. We wouldn't have shafted Diddy. But whatever. Tie them together. Opportunism. We needed distractions. Well, now we got two. Cristina: Yes. And put them together. Jack: Make them a bigger distraction. Because you got to control the story. You got to control the story. Cristina: Mm. Jack: And you can't if there's multiple stories and people are making up. No. If there's one story and you can keep feeding Information that everybody who would be distracted by a million different stories. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Then you can keep. Keep them brainwashed, keep them focused. Cristina: That makes sense. That makes sense. And that's why we're not supposed to talk about the drones. Jack: That's why we're not. Yeah, we're not supposed to. It's weird. But that means the drones aren't part of the distraction. Because if it was, they would try to tie it up. Cristina: Exactly. They don't want us to talk about it. Jack: They do not. Literally. They've gone publicly and said, like, there's nothing to talk about. There's nothing to look at. Those are literal statements by the government of the United States about things, about foreign objects that governors, mayors, and senators have no clue what they are. The rest of the government is like, it's fine. It's cool. There's nothing there. Cristina: Mm, nah. And everyone else are like, yeah, we see it, bro. Jack: Well, I guess. Cristina: Yeah. People outside are like, yeah, those are just drones. Yeah, big deal. Jack: I guess. Cristina: I guess if they're not paying attention to what else is up there. Jack: Yeah, it sucks, because there is something up there, and they're clearly not aware of what the h*** it is themselves, but it has them worried. The people will be worried. Cristina: Like, don't. Jack: Maybe the. Don't shoot it is also partially. Don't provoke it until we figure it out. Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Jack: Like, we don't know what the this is. Don't. Don't push our luck, guys. Let's investigate without hostility. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: If that's the case, rednecks are gonna. Us. They're gonna take the wrong shot, and the mothership is gonna be like these ants. This ant hill invade the whole. Cristina: I didn't even see that mothership. That's just outside of reach. Jack: That senator said he saw. Right. Cristina: He said that, though. Jack: Afghanistan has a mothership off the side of the ocean, and that's where the drones are coming from. There is footage of swarms of drones coming from seemingly the same direction. Cristina: No way. Jack: I mean, that's what's weird about it. And they are all coming from the ocean, which is also weird. Like, what the is out there? Cristina: Well, it's out there. Oh, there's a mothership. Jack: And how is this drone getting the range? Cristina: Yeah, the f***. Jack: How is this drone way 00:55:00 Jack: the h*** out here? Cristina: But then it has to be ours, because, like, we would only be. There wouldn't be some other. It would have to be ours. We wouldn't let someone park their thing that close to us. It has to be us. Jack: Unless we don't know where the f*** they're coming from. Cristina: Okay, but if it's an, I don't. Jack: Know, an alternate theory, everybody, this is a wild one. Everybody has crazy hidden technology. We know. United States technology must be dozens of times more advanced than what the average human has access to on a daily basis. Assume that's applicable to everywhere on Earth. And we're not number one. We're just way up there. In theory. There is no mother base. Maybe there's just some portal off the water and we can't stop it. And the drones are just coming through there. But they are coming from China. And they got their end of the portal and their other end over here and they just go through it. Whatever. Okay, explanation. Cristina: The crazy. Jack: That's wild sci fi tech. Cristina: Yes. Jack: How else are we getting drones from an undetectable source in the water? Cristina: Come on, man, it's always portals. Yes. Jack: How else do we get it? Now on a crazier tangent. Cristina: Crazier than that? Jack: Well, relative. Okay, I don't mean to talk about the same s*** for the rest of eternity, but we know of people who had portals, so it's not like that's a crazy thought. Cristina: Who's had portals? Jack: All of the ancients. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And like, we also know there were explanations of how they work, and some of them were from place to place. Cristina: I mean, if it's from water, then it's. There's only one answer then. Jack: Exactly. It's coming from what ocean? Go ahead, say it out loud. Cristina: I don't know. Jack: You don't know what ocean? We're on Jersey. Cristina: Atlantic. I don't know. Jack: Atlantic Ocean. Cristina: It's the sea, people. But why? Jack: I don't know. Cristina: Jesus. Over here. What's happening? Jack: I don't know, but we got floating drones coming from the water. Not from the water. They're coming from over the water somewhere in that direction. Just where the water is. We've never seen them come out of the water. But also where the else could it be coming from? Yeah, unless it's a portal. Cristina: Unless there's portal. Jack: So portal and water would have the same answer. Cristina: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Jack: If water, then one answer. If portal, two answers. The tech is Chinese people have identified that. We don't know where the h*** they're coming from or how, but they seem to be coming from the water direction at least now. Weird that we have a weird Chinese invasion of drones happening on this side. And again, the observation of Anchorage happening towards Alaska. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Weird. But we also had to not let people Forget through the Mexican border, fleets of Chinese immigrants coming through that were dropped off in South America and came through the border with the rest of the immigrants. Cristina: So you think China is really taking over? Jack: I think there's an actual invasion happening. Not only is there an actual invasion happening, they were sent to New York in the buses. They went to New York. That is the same side of the ocean. They're looking at the same ocean that Jersey's looking at. They went to New York City of all places. They're looking at New Jersey from the water. They're looking at New Jersey. It's right there. You can see it. Cristina: What is their plan? Jack: I don't know. They come over and let's say they are engineers and they can make things that can control the drones. And then some drones are just dropped off from somewhere far off that we can't detect. But we have the technology on our side built that when they come in range, they can take over. And now the goal is just keep sending drones. Once they disconnect from our range, they will have already entered their range and they'll be able to keep moving it and they won't be a traceable anything in the water because we're too far for them to find it. And we just keep sending drones. And once they're out of our range, it can still be controlled from over there because they built the control towers and everything on their side, hidden in apartments and s***, that they can just. Cristina: Keep maneuvering it crazy. Jack: With money given to them by the government because they're immigrants. They were getting free money, so they bought all the goods using the same money that the government, their very own government, gave the people who were immigrating. They used that money, built the tower. So then control the drones and be able to do mass observation. I don't f****** know. It's just theories. Cristina: Theories. This is a crazy theory. I love it. Jack: But how do we connect all the Chinese immigrants? Anchorage being observed by Russia and China and a bunch of drones being identified as Chinese technology floating over New Jersey. Cristina: And 01:00:00 Cristina: say it's crazy thing because we started with like we're working with China anyway. So, like, what does that mean? Jack: It's weird, bro. I don't know. Cristina: Because it's just us. At the end of the day, we are the Chinese. Jack: Even if we're using them as the puppet, we're still involved somehow. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Cristina: I don't know. Jack: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Cristina: Yeah. Look, for these. Okay, I'm gonna. Man, we have to investigate some. There's a conspiracy here. Jack: Obviously there's something here. Cristina: There's something here. We gotta check it out. Jack: Okay, I guess this is what the show is about now. We're gonna investigate this. We've gone on lengthy investigations in the past. Nothing as long as the Elysiums. This might not even be related to that. This is Chinese related. I mean it could be, but it would only be the portal in the Atlantic Ocean. Cristina: Yes. Jack: So if there is. And if there is one, there isn't the other. If it's coming from the ocean, you don't need the portal. And it coming from the ocean would explain the range. It's just coming up from the water and then traveling a while. But when they're brought, when they're caught, when they're destroyed, they're just drones. It's modern day technology. Cristina: It doesn't look like nothing ancient. Jack: Nothing ancient, nothing foreign. No technology we don't understand. Cristina: Not alien. Jack: They're just technology of Chinese grade. That's all we know. Cristina: I'm gonna investigate. Yeah, there is something here. Jack: There's something here. There is something here. We're gonna find that. Because it's not the Alicians, it's definitely China. But how and why? And it's us somehow. Cristina: Somehow. Exactly. That's the important thing. It's really us. At the end of the day. Jack: Always. Always. Cristina: We are the puppet masters to some. Jack: Degree because we have. We're we're also the puppets of somebody. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Anyways, we are totally out of time now, but I guess we're gonna look into this and have more information for you guys next week. Week. Hopefully. Hopefully we find something. Cristina: Yes, I hope so too. Can't wait. Jack: And if you guys know any additional points, any details that we haven't talked about, feel free to tell us. You can find us on our socials to do that @justconvopod. That's on Instagram, on Tik Tok, on Facebook, on X. Cristina: Remember to subscribe. We're in Review the show and word. Jack: Of mouth is the most overpowered thing on earth. So tell people about the show and that we are currently investigating these drones and we will get to the bottom of it. Cristina: Yes, this has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening by. 01:02:29

Rambling 297: Most Likely Apocalypse

In a world rife with uncertainty and chaos, the concept of the apocalypse has been a recurring theme throughout human history. From biblical tales of Noah's Ark to modern-day fears of viral outbreaks, the notion of an impending end has captured our imagination and shaped our beliefs. In this week's episode, we dive into the absurdity of apocalyptic predictions and explore the myriad ways in which humans interpret the idea of the end. Our hosts, Jack and Cristina, embark on a rambling journey that questions the very fabric of our understanding of apocalypses. They ponder whether multiple apocalypses could occur without us even noticing, drawing parallels between historical accounts and contemporary fears. With a playful yet thought-provoking tone, they dissect the narratives that have been passed down through generations, questioning their validity and relevance in today's society. One of the standout moments in the episode is the discussion surrounding the Great Flood, a story that has been interpreted in countless ways across different cultures. Jack argues that if the flood was indeed a historical event, it may have been localized, leading those who experienced it to believe they were the last survivors on Earth. This perspective invites listeners to reconsider the stories they’ve been told and challenge the narratives that shape their beliefs. The conversation takes a fascinating turn as they explore the role of government in societal collapse. Cristina suggests that the most likely apocalypse could stem from a viral outbreak, one that might be inadvertently released by those in power. This theory resonates with recent global events and raises critical questions about trust, control, and the lengths to which authorities will go to maintain order. As the episode unfolds, listeners are encouraged to reflect on their own beliefs and the absurdity of trying to predict the future. Jack and Cristina emphasize that while we may never know the exact nature of an apocalypse, the discussions surrounding it reveal much about human behavior and our desire for understanding in an unpredictable world. Join us for this engaging and thought-provoking episode that challenges conventional thinking about the apocalypse. Whether you’re a skeptic or a believer, there’s something for everyone in this lively exploration of humanity's most baffling ideas. Tune in now and share your thoughts on what you believe the future holds!

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  • The concept of multiple apocalypses
  • The absurdity of our understanding of reality

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Rambling 297: Most Likely Apocalypse Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised. Jack: Going live in 5, 4. Cristina: What does live mean? Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack. Cristina: And I'm your host, Cristina. Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And as always, we're going to do that today. Now, last week, we went on a crazy rampage trying to ground. To do our job. To do our job. We're trying to do our job. And so we did that. But I had other plans at the beginning, and we never got to that. So this week, we're definitely going to get to it. Now, the world goes crazy randomly. Time repeats and events repeat. And people think the world is ending all the time. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Recently even did an episode about the apocalypse and which one we thought was. Was more likely. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Because the apocalypse is coming. We're here to tell you the apocalypse is coming. I'm sure that if it repeats, then. Cristina: It'S never coming because we'll always have a period where we're like, the apocalypse is coming. Jack: But what if doesn't come? What if. What if multiple apocalypses happen? Cristina: Wouldn't we have noticed? Jack: Well, no, we. We're alive after it. Let's just think about it. Let's just use the Bible as an example. The Great Flood killed almost everybody. It was one family left that was on the ark. Allegedly. According to the story, they then repopulated Earth. That was the apocalypse. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Now there's evidence of a great flood. And there's a lot of stories to talk about the same moment from different points of view of the ark. Obviously, it's a mythological story that probably holds no real bearing, but that was the apocalypse. Cristina: What about the last one? That was supposed to happen. That didn't happen. Jack: Well, no, there's probably a bunch of. It's gonna happen and doesn't. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And then some actual apocalypses. Like the apocalypse has happened and we're here after the apocalypse happened. Oh, and we're gonna have an apocalypse. We see our apocalypse isn't. There's. There's not the apocalypse. Instead, I believe what we should be saying is an apocalypse. Cristina: Apocalypse. Jack: Yeah. There's an apocalypse coming. Cristina: Okay. But has nothing to do with what anyone's talking about. Jack: Well, that's what. That would be my next point. Right. Maybe somebody's figured it out. Like, there's a lot of random ideas. Somebody's got to figure it out. Right. Cristina: I don't. I guess. Like, you mean like just randomly. Jack: Not randomly. Maybe somebody really like it's everybody piecing whatever they can together in whatever way makes most sense to them. All religions and sciences do all the same thing. Cristina: Because were they talking about it before it happened? And with the flooding, where people like, an apocalypse is coming. It's going to be zombies, it's going to be war. It's going to be. Jack: I do believe. Cristina: And then it ended up being water. Jack: I think. Cristina: I think. Jack: Well, yeah, think about it. They. He was literally telling people according to the story, which means somebody was telling people there were announcements of a flood coming, but some people were believing it and some people weren't. Let's say that the. The. Cristina: But were other people spreading other stor. Stories of like, no, there is an apocalypse coming, but it's not water, it's fire. Jack: What would me. I don't know. Cristina: Whatever. Jack: Why? Cristina: Because that's what's happening now. I'm saying, like, there's not one person saying one thing and then everyone's what, believing it or not believing it? Oh, I'm sure a million things. Jack: No, I'm sure. I'm sure there was a billion different things happening at the same time. Maybe some thought it was the flood coming. Some people thought maybe the. Whatever civilization was over the hill was gonna come and kill them all or pillage them all or. Cristina: Mm. Jack: And that that was gonna be the end. Some people thought, no God is gonna come take us all literally. Cristina: I think people still think that, though. Yeah. Yeah. Jack: But I think that's the case. I think that maybe there were multiple apocalypses. And I think people. There were people that believed many different apocalypses were gonna happen, but only one. Cristina: Is the real one. Jack: Only one is a real one. It's like religion, the apocalypse. I mean, I guess. No, I guess you're the same. I guess it's the same thing. Religion and the apocalypse are the same thing. You can't have a religion without the ap. Cristina: Why? Jack: Because then what would it be? Right? Like. Or not. Let me correct that. That's wrong statement. 00:05:00 Jack: You can't have heaven without the apocalypse because everybody is gonna go get punished and the ending for everybody's coming, and one day there's gonna be nothing. Unless, I guess, no, you can fix that problem. You could say that Earth is indefinite, but everybody will one day die and transition to heaven. That means that Earth can go on indefinitely and that heaven will still exist. So never mind. You. That's also a lie of a statement that I made. Cristina: Okay. Jack: But you kind of. It's like all religions, or most have an apocalypse scenario. The World is ending is part of it. Cristina: But you think one of them have it, right? Jack: One of them might. I'm not saying one of them do. I'm saying one of them might. Cristina: Okay. Because someone might have came up with. Jack: Yeah, there's too many. There's over, what, 8 billion of us trying to figure it out. Everybody has an idea of what's right and what's wrong and how it kind of works. And like, I'm sure enough of us have enough pieces that maybe we've talked collectively. You know, that seven degrees of separation where everybody kind of knows each other indirectly somehow. The one person who needs to know the thing knows the thing, and he has all the parts and he knows it. Cristina: I don't know if he needs to know anything. I think it's just random chance that you'll just know. Say the thing you think that it is and it's right. Like it's just. Jack: But you don't think somebody figured it out? Cristina: I don't. I don't know. It could be just by accident. It could equally be either or. Jack: How if it's hyper specific. That's crazy. Cristina: It could be either or. Jack: Oh, my God. Were you the one who showed me that thing? That, that. That phrase. Not the phrase, the quote of the guy saying that we are. Yeah, it was you. That we are the. Cristina: The monkeys that end up writing Shakespeare. Jack: Yeah. Earth is. We're an infinite number of monkeys that continue to breed and make more monkeys. And we literally already wrote. Cristina: Right. Shakespeare. Jack: We already wrote Shakespeare. Cristina: Yes, that's exactly the apocalypse. It's just. It's just random chance that the one person will have the right answer, but no one's gonna believe them because we're all trying. We're all saying something different and we. Jack: All want to believe our thing. Yes, whatever. You're not special. You couldn't figure it out before me. Cristina: So it's gonna happen. Sure. But I don't know if it's because he really, truly figured out. I mean, he could have, but it doesn't really make a difference. It's just gonna happen. It's. It has to happen that someone is gonna have it right, whether they really thought about it or not. Because time. Jack: No. Well, the apocalypse is gonna happen regardless. But who got it right and how did they get it right? I think. I think if it's really specific, they could get it right. But then there's that argument of, like, absolute random chance and, like, I don't know. But also I think. I think it's purposeful and random. At the same time, if that makes sense. Like, Hamlet was not written by accident. The person who wrote it did it with intent. Now, within the universe, it seems completely random. Cristina: Okay. Jack: But it's our scale. It seems intentional. And that brings up a weird question about reality. You know, size and, like, what looks intentional and what doesn't. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Because I guess if you zoom out far enough. Total random tangent here. But if you zoom out far enough, human behavior might look absolutely random. It's chaotic and I guess. And if you just back up enough, we just randomly kill each other, go into war and around our peace with each other at random moments and just. We're just crazy. But up close it makes sense. Cristina: Yes. Jack: I guess this applies logically to everything. Yeah. Same thing happens with, like, outer space. Right. You. You look at anything, it's like, oh, space is just chaos and random. But you zoom into an atomic level. This atom is responding to that atom simply because it was moving in this direction. And everything reacts that way. There's a. You could predict how it's going to go simply based on understanding it at a granular level. And you think unrelated. That was just an unrelated tangent. Cristina: That's what made me think of. It's not that someone will come up with an answer. Jack: I mean, somebody might. Cristina: That's just gonna be in the Simpsons episode. Jack: Here's the problem. Simpsons do a lot of random crap, so it always looks like they're predicting junk. But I think the problem there is the Simpsons have this. How do you call it? You know, these people who. Not pro. I guess it's a prophet. What is Nostradamus. He's like a fortune teller, right? Cristina: Who? Jack: Nostradamus, the dude who has a book. Who predicted a bunch of crap in the future. Cristina: Oh, yeah. I guess. Jack: And like, oh, my God. So much of it came true. And it comes down to, like, you. Cristina: Know, if you're just. Jack: You've had thousands of predictions, Homie. Cristina: Yeah. Like a few of them eventually 00:10:00 Cristina: will be true. Yeah. Jack: And the Simpsons has how many seasons they've been around for how long? Cristina: How many are wrong versus how many are right? Jack: Yeah. How many episodes go by that you couldn't say they predicted something for before something happens that you say they predicted something for? Cristina: Yes. Jack: You know, and it's like they're cherry picking. Cristina: Yeah. Like, if you saw the actual dicks of all of that. Jack: Yeah. It's such an infinitely small amount of things they got right versus things they got wrong. Cristina: But they still probably will come up with it. Jack: Yeah. And I'm sure That somebody's gonna be like, the Simpsons, you know, they called it, but it's like they've explored every idea there's. Cristina: Exactly. Yeah. They probably explored every different type of apocalypse. Jack: Yeah, a hundred percent. How many different ways has that world ended? And then it happens over here. Oh, my God. The Simpsons predicted it would be a chemical plant. Oh, my God. The Simpsons predicted it would be aliens. It's like, what? Cristina: That doesn't make sense. Jack: That doesn't make sense. That does not make sense at all. Cristina: But that's what's going to happen. I guess they'll figure it out. Or we'll think that they figured it out, even though they didn't figure it out because they're just, like, making stuff. Jack: Up as they go. Pretty much, yes. Okay, so then my question is, how do we predict the apocalypse? And then in knowing how we predict the apocalypse, we can identify who would already know. Cristina: You think someone already knows? Jack: I think somebody must already know. If somebody can know, somebody does know. If somebody can know, somebody does know. We'll go with that assumption. Cristina: And you think we could figure out who knows? Jack: Well, we can figure out. We can try to get as close as possible, but beforehand, we got to figure out. The two assumptions we're going with right now are one, if it can be done, if it can be known, somebody knows. Two, it can be known. So we just have to prove how, though. We have to move forward with those two ideas right now. Cristina: How do you prove how? Jack: Well, we got to figure out how we could. How we're going to predict the future, how we're going to tell which apocalypse. I guess the idea is not when we were having the apocalypse episode, we were having a conversation about what we would do and just kind of theoretically, what's more likely. Right now, we're just going to totally weigh out which one is going to happen or not. We weren't deciding which one was more likely, but rather what were the possibilities. Now, knowing the possibilities will just figure out which one is most likely. Cristina: How. Jack: I think, for example, we can easily exclude robots. Cristina: Why? Jack: Because I don't think we're anywhere. I. We're wrong about what AI is inherently. We're just wrong about what AI is. We're calling it artificial intelligence, but there's no intelligence there. It's googling. And even when it's not googling, Even when it's not googling, it's just sort of reacting off of the information that it was trained on to begin with, which is to use all the information and simply organize it, it's imitating, it's not originating. It's never creating its own thought. There's no intelligence. It's not even learning it really. It's just spitting things out. And imagine keyword searches, okay. And this is answers that, this answers that, this answers that. Let me put those together and give all the important parts from all of it. Which I guess is also kind of like intelligence works to some degree, but because I guess that's what we do. Cristina: But it's not coming up with anything new. Jack: It's not going to come up with anything new. It would never make up its own thing. It would be impossible. It would have to always rely on imitation. And for it to be true, intelligence would need the ability to originate a. Cristina: Thought, which so far, no. Jack: So far, no. I think like the computers taking over, realistically, might not be soon or at least the soonest we. What we'd be discussing right now is which is the soonest, most likely. Cristina: Zombies. No. I don't know. Jack: We get. We've gotten pretty close with some pharmaceutical things, but it doesn't seem, I think definitely viral is up there getting sick. Cristina: Getting in some type of way. Jack: Yes. I don't know if zombies. I think we'd quickly just nuke that city and get that done with. We've got too much media making us paranoid and we're going to be like, now solve that one. Cristina: Okay. We're going to do Resident Evil. Jack: Yeah, probably. We just get rid of it. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: So definitely not that I think viral. Yes. 00:15:00 Jack: No, I think no zombies for sure. Cristina: No aliens for sure. Jack: No aliens. It wouldn't like really, it wouldn't make sense. Why aliens wouldn't need to interact with us for what. Cristina: And if people swear they are, if. Jack: You can try, I mean, they can study us. That makes sense. We're a different creature. But they don't have to speak with us. They don't need to talk with our leader like none of that bullshit. And it does. They don't need to destroy our planet or take over it or anything. Whatever resource exists here exists in abundance everywhere else in space. And the fact that they can clear the distance of space means that their technology is so exaggeratedly overpowered they can make the resource they're missing. So they don't need anything from us. They don't have any reason. Studying us would be the most important thing. And other than that, like, why are. Cristina: They still studying us? How long does selling us take? Jack: Well, there's creep. We evolve, we change. We keep studying animals even after we know them. Okay, science is science. You, you're never fully informed. You're only closer than you were before, and that's as close as you can get. But. So I don't think they're gonna end the world though. If anything, they're helping preserve us from meteors and that could end us. Okay, you know, they're out there. Why has nothing hit us in so long that has just reset the clock? Well, they're out there somewhere, just like keep that planet safe. It's fine. They're just creatures developing. Cristina: That's possible. Okay? Jack: Possible. We never see them because we can't mess with any of that. But they're out there just protecting Earth. Yeah, aliens everywhere. Just. They're not even out there. He's got robots doing it. Cristina: Robots. Jack: They got robots destroying stuff. No aliens, no AI, no zombies. Definite disease. Seems high, but I think. You know what it's gonna be. The possibility to me is that it's gonna be a government created attempt to scare the people that gets out of control. Because they're trying to control the people again. Maybe the people losing control. And the government wants to hold its grip on society because of whatever the h***. Cristina: They're gonna scare us. Jack: Trying to scare us with a real thing they made. Well, only, you know, you gotta crack some eggs to make an omelette. And then that omelette gets out of control. Cristina: But it's the people or the thing that they use to scare the people. Jack: They were using the thing to scare the people, to get the people back under control. Cristina: And then the thing. Jack: Yeah, think Covid. But it goes way rogue. Okay, so the government makes the thing, releases it on the people with an attempt to. Oh, we're gonna put new rules and lockdowns and this and that. We're gonna get our laws back in our side. And then it even goes out of control that the government can't control it. Cristina: And it could be just a thing like. Jack: Yeah, it could just be virus. Yeah. It turns out to be way more contagious than they thought. Okay, that seems likely to me from all of it. Cristina: Is that your final answer though? Jack: Well, that's just one thing. I've discussed. What other apocalypses could happen. I think that's definitely high on this. Until we discuss something that stands out a little more. Cristina: The government is deciding it. Jack: No, they weren't deciding on the apocalypse. The government was simply trying to scare the people with something like Covid. Cristina: Okay. Jack: They happen to turn out way more contagious and starts killing people or mutates really quickly out of Their control. Cristina: But. Jack: I think that's possible. But like, what else is there? That's not them plotting the apocalypse. This is the apocalypse by chance happening because they're stupid. Cristina: Would you think they try to. Like, what would plotting the apocalypse look like for them? Jack: The government tries to plot. Okay, fair enough. This would have to be a scenario in which they have all the resources they need and can live without the peasants, essentially. And so rich people would need to interact with the government. And then that's the. You know, those are all the elites, politicians and rich people, and they somehow work together to set, settle, let's say, you know, get Mars up and running and we'll abandon Earth and all of the people, and they'll have no leadership and they'll kill each other down there. We'll just come back in like two, 300 years after we've killed each other. Reclaim Earth. Cristina: What? Jack: That's the situation which I think the apocalypse is all leadership suddenly leaving with all of the important information and resources. Cristina: I don't know if they can do that, but that sounds crazy. Jack: Yeah, I don't think they can either. I think there's enough of us that we would just keep going, figure it out. Cristina: We can figure it out. Maybe they take the resources somehow, but I don't know what that would mean. Jack: Well, not even the resources. It's more of informational hierarchy. If the president left, and so did the Secretary 00:20:00 Jack: of Defense, and so did the vice president and all the senators and all the mayors and all the congress people and all the judges. Cristina: That's a lot of people. Jack: If they all left, if they all left, everybody with some higher status, all of them, the world, in the world, all in one time, who's gonna take charge? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: Death is gonna happen f****** everywhere. Cristina: Everybody wants it, so people are just gonna be fighting for it. Jack: Who's enforcing the law? Cristina: Mm. Jack: Who's making the law? Who's gonna punish you? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: I think if elites leave chaos. Cristina: Okay, that's. Jack: Oh, right. We never think about it, but easy. So they set up up there. They decide, okay, keep sending resources, survival things. Get it going. So it's independent and we. Literal paradise. We've made away from these people. Cristina: But then they want to come back. Jack: After we've killed ourselves and died out here, then they could easily reclaim Earth without a struggle and have even more resources. An absolute paradise. Plus all the technology and crap that. Cristina: Was left behind, we'd still be here. There'd be still people on the planet. They'd just be more dangerous. Jack: Yeah, I think we'd eventually end up back in order. There'll be a lot of murders at first and it would be chaos and it would just settle again. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Most of us. Cristina: They wouldn't be able to like communicate with what's left of us or something. Jack: No. They would just immediately get off. We're like. Those guys are aliens. Cristina: Huh? Wouldn't we think they're aliens? We would. Jack: They come from outer space. We don't know. We've never seen them. Those are people who live on Mars. They're Martians. They're claiming they're human, but they're Martians. They came from Mars. Cristina: That's crazy. No, no, no. Jack: It wouldn't cause an apocalypse that feels like the ending. It would look crazy. It would be a nuts period in time. The Earth just kind of quickly went into absolute chaos. But I don't think it would be apocalyptic. I don't think it would end. I think many most people would still be alive. Cristina: But you think if there is an apocalypse, the government are the people that would know that it was coming? Jack: I think only if they are responsible for it. Cristina: Oh. Jack: Which would be the same as a nuclear apocalypse. That's government's fully aware. So viral. It was probably the government trying to take control. That was what that was. Covet was. Cristina: Okay. Jack: That's covert. Was. It's American government facilities testing on viruses in China. Cristina: Were they trying to attack. They weren't trying to attack China or anything. Jack: What the h*** they were doing or why this. These people were always saying are the enemy. We're always working with. Cristina: If you're working with them. And they. Yes, we do swear they are the enemy. Jack: People are idiots. They'll believe whatever they're told. Those people are bad. Oh. But winning trades. Cristina: Something's not right. Jack: Something's not right. Yeah. No. They're always good. They're always bad. Cristina: They're always bad. Jack: Oh yeah. So definitely like nuclear apocalypse or viral outbreaks seem high for them knowing. Cristina: But nuclear. Who would even. Jack: And that's a total destruction situation. Cristina: Yeah. No one really wants that. Jack: But if it happened the governments would know. Cristina: Mmm. I guess. Yeah. Jack: You know, because everybody would start firing at everybody. The country that knows it's going down is gonna launch in every direction it had aimed. Because f*** you guys that knew and didn't stop them. And then every one of those countries are gonna do the same thing. It's a chain reaction. Cristina: I think everyone's just gonna. Jack: Everybody. I think if a single nuke goes out, all the nukes go out. Cristina: No, I Hope not. Jack: That's why they're called deterrence. Nuclear deterrent. You're not going to use it because they're going to use it too. Cristina: But once someone does, that's it. That's really it. Jack: A single one. Everybody uses it. That's the problem. That's actually the premise of Fallout, I believe. Cristina: Does someone used it? Jack: Someone use it? I think the world is affected, not just the United States. Cristina: I wish we knew more. Jack: Yeah, but that. Those are my. The government knows scenarios. Cristina: I think the government knows. Jack: So you think it's one of those two? No. There's an apocalypse. Could be other things. Maybe religious people are right. Maybe it's gonna be a religious apocalypse. Cristina: That one's a tough one because it's always like. I don't know. To them the world is always worse or it's getting worse. It's just bad people are immoral. They're monsters. It's like, are they. 00:25:00 Cristina: Has things changed? Is there more horrible people than there were? Jack: Well, no, but let's assume that the ending of the story is right. Even if it getting worse isn't. Then there's still an apocalypse. But then which religion. Which religion is right? Jesus is gonna come back. Everybody. Cristina: Because we're American. He is coming back. Jack: Everybody. Everybody. Over and most apocalypses have that happen. Some kind of a war. Most narratives are some kind of. Cristina: We're not even part of the war. Jack: At least not in the Bible. Cristina: I don't think so. Jack: I think. Cristina: You think there is a story. Jack: I think it's either Norse mythology or Greek mythology. The narrative is that one side uses the souls of the dead to fill their army out or some crap like that. I don't know if it's either one of those two. I know some religions. Cristina: What about the humans? The humans are used or. No. Are they just in the middle of it? Jack: The humans who are alive? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: No. Everybody would die. Cristina: Everyone would die. And then our souls are part of the fight. Jack: Yeah. This. The. Basically the. Whether you've died or not, once the apocalypse begins, eventually you're just going to die. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Because plot. And then you're going to be. You're going to join one side or the other, whatever. Cristina: I don't know. That doesn't make sense to me either because. What about all the people who don't want to choose a side? Jack: No. You force them to a side. It doesn't matter which. Yeah. I don't know why it makes sense as a story, but let's say that's right, then. Okay. Cristina: I don't know, it's just hard to imagine that, like, we're all told there's evil and good and you gotta fight for one and everyone's gonna really be. Jack: Easily choose, like, well, no, you're not choosing me. You know, there's good and evil. You're not told which one is which. Both are telling you, I'm good, I'm good there. Cristina: You like, why even fight then? Jack: No, because one of them is lying. Cristina: That's. Jack: And it's up to you to decide. Cristina: Why would you trust yourself in that type of decision? Jack: Because there is no option. There's a f****** war. Cristina: There is. And you're already dead. Why does it matter? Jack: You're gonna cease to exist. I guess would be dying after you've died is ceasing to exist. Cristina: But how do you know that's right? Jack: You don't. I don't know. These things that are already there are telling you it's right. Cristina: I know, it's just hard to believe after you die, like, whatever anyone says, it's hard to believe what they're saying. No, unless you believe everything everyone says. It's either everyone's lying so I can't do anything, or everyone's telling the truth now. Jack: I don't know what to do. You're thinking about this wrong way. Look at it like this. If you are a Christian and you die, and when you die, you are in this sort of blank slate place and you walk infinitely in what looks like nothing and eventually you come up to a white gate with a golden fence. Wait, no, if. Golden fence, A white fence with a golden gate. There you go, a white fence with a golden gate and a dude who's gonna. Who tells you to stand in front of him and he's gonna talk to you before he lets you in. You can for sure question, but you kind of know that. D*** the Christians got it based on all the clues. You know, you don't have to be like in. I guess everything else they said after this point is wrong. After the initial point you're kind of like, well, they got this part right. I might as well just follow the narrative now. Cristina: Well then what if you get in there and then it ends up being heaven, h*** or whatever? Jack: It could totally be the case. Then some of the parts of the story were messed up and as you got, but you got to follow it. But you're not gonna see the white pearly gate and question it and be like, well, I guess this could be fake. Like, no, you died and now you're here. Be like, oh, I get. What else can you do? I guess you're in the new plane and you have nothing else to go off of. You're not just deciding, well, after this point, they must be wrong. Okay, they got, they got it this right, but that's it. Like, based on what? So you just kind of roll with it. I don't think after the first confirmations you're just gonna turn on it, you know, so you die and you get to the war zone or whatever, and they're like, you gotta pick a side. You're not gonna be like, I can't trust which side resonates with you. You're gonna go with that. Okay, well, it kind of looks like this. And based on that text, it was kind of like, this side's a good guy, so I'll go there. And if you're wrong, you're wrong. The end. Cristina: Is there even a right and wrong? Jack: The Bible thinks there is. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You know, religions think there are. Islam thinks there is. 00:30:00 Jack: The Quran says, oh, there's good and evil. Okay, Jews don't think there is. Cristina: They don't? Jack: No, no. If you're going for Orthodox and traditional Judaism, there are many things that are absolutely different. Heaven isn't a thing that was added later. It's not real. Cristina: How much later? Jack: Quite, quite a while. There was no heaven or h*** for an infinity. Judaism did not have that concept. That was added much later. There's so many texts, so many texts. Cristina: With Jesus around the time. Jack: It wasn't added with Jesus, it was added prior to Jesus. I think the first mentions in the older texts start at the end of the Torah. But if said that at the end of the Torah or it came with Jesus. I know that most of the Torah does not have a single mention. And they were. The first parts were written in that order, so there's no existence of h***. It was just later it showed up somewhere. Cristina: So you just die. Jack: You just die and kind of join, become one. Actually, as a rabbi once explained it to me, we don't know. We don't know. We don't know what happens. We're not divine. And that's legit. Fair, bro. Any Christian that's like, no, this happens. It's no, no, no. You couldn't know. Cristina: You couldn't know. Jack: You couldn't know. You're not divine. You're not here and there. You don't know you're gonna be there. When you're there, you're just there. You're not over here. Cristina: It's too complicated to imagine that the Apocalypse is gonna be just one of the Bible endings. Not Bible, but religious endings is right. Jack: Why? Cristina: Because there's too many. There's too many. Jack: Well, that's even more proof that one of them would get it right, I guess. Cristina: But it's not like they knew. It feels too random. Or maybe. Jack: Depends how much of it they got right. If it's like a single detail and the rest of it is wrong. Cristina: But. Jack: All right, we'll give it to you. Cristina: Because then. Jack: Yeah, okay, that's random chance. But it's like, if you got every beat okay, like, then how do you figure it out, bro? There's no way you could have predicted that a tree in this forest is gonna fall. Then an explosion is gonna happen across the world at exactly this second. Cristina: Some horns are gonna sound. Jack: Yeah. From the whole sky, everywhere, all the time. Exactly at this date is gonna sound. And everybody's gonna hear all at once. Like, how'd you predict all of this? That guy knew something. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Versus, like, during a storm, we're gonna. The world is gonna burst and bust into flame. And it's like, what if a weird volcanic eruption happened and it created a storm? Cristina: Because of all the block, Then obviously he was right. Jack: Like, yeah, that's chance. We could, like, give it to you because you got it. But like, random chance said that a volcanic eruption of a super volcano threw enough debris into the air and created an entire electrical storm. And then I think another super fire. Cristina: Volcano can explode and, like, kill us all. Jack: Absolutely. Absolutely. That could totally happen. Cristina: Could that just be the end? Jack: Yeah. I wonder how long after a super volcano would we all be dead? That would be an apocalypse. But like, what speed of an apocalypse would it be? Cristina: The perfect amount of speed. I don't know. Jack: Perfect amount of speed that maybe that's. Cristina: What'S happening on the road. I don't know. Jack: It could. It could. We have no idea. What the h***. Cristina: No idea. Jack: The ash everywhere and the blocked sky. Cristina: Yeah, we gotta see how long that does take. Jack: Super volcano. Cristina: Super volcano. Jack: Interesting. So now, I never thought about that. I always thought, like, nuclear warfare, but. Cristina: In Japan must sink or Japan sinks or whatever it was called. There was a volcano that exploded, but it didn't destroy the world. Jack: It wasn't a super volcano. Cristina: It wasn't a super volcano. It was a pretty big. It felt like it was super Mount Fuji. Jack: It was a volcano that's not super. That's not super. Cristina: What qualifies a volcano to be super? Jack: I think super volcanoes are so large, they don't look like volcanoes to Us. Cristina: They're so large they don't look like volcanoes. Jack: Yeah. I could be wrong in just saying s*** like if anybody who doesn't agree with this, comment below. That doesn't even make sense. But yes, wherever you'd go, comment, comment there and let us know. Cristina: In Spotify you could comment below or at least on your phone. I'm pretty sure you can. I don't know if. Jack: Oh I guess if you listen on Spotify, comment below on your phone, just comment. I forget we're on Spotify. Yeah, interesting. Okay. Okay. Super volcano breakdown of series of events. Right. Initial 00:35:00 Jack: weeks is from the day of eruption to three weeks. So eruption blast is going to kill thousands of people instantly and ashfall is going to suffocate the nearby populations. That's instant death. Instant death. Cristina: Instant as in like it's immediate. Jack: The people close to the blast. Yeah, this is just within the first three weeks. This is all happening. Cristina: Okay. Jack: All of these people are f*****. Then transport and flights completely are grounded. There's no planes going up. You can't see there's a lot of magnetism going on. There's a lot of chemicals in the sky. Food shortages are going to immediately start kicking in because of the inability to transport things in planes quickly. Oh and health care is going to get over overwhelmed right off the bat. Cristina: Okay. And that's all of, that's the first few weeks. Jack: All of that is the first three weeks. Cristina: Okay. Jack: So absolute chaos in the first three weeks. This is super volcano apocalypse now. Crop failures are going to follow in the first, first to three months from ash spread. Drinking water contamination is going to be widespread. Global supply chain disruptions are going to ridiculous. Starvation is going to begin in the poorest areas and the death toll is going to reach millions globally in the first three months. Cristina: The first three months. Oh my gosh. Jack: Then from three to six months we're going to have temperature drops and it's going to cause the crop to fail entirely. Food hoarding and riots are going to start to increase as people start to get hungry and desperate to in random locations. Respiratory illness is going to spread in an uncontrollable rate as the exposure to the ash is going to be absurd. Cristina: Wonder how much people are left at this point. Jack: Migration from affected areas is going to begin and the death toll is going to be in the hundreds of millions. Cristina: Okay. Jack: From three to six months. Six months to a year. Nuclear winter is going to cause mass starvation and infrastructure breakdown in all regions. We're going to have disease spread due to poor sanitization sanitization, sanitation and governments collapse in many regions around the world. And we're going to start reaching the billions at this point, in the first year to two years, the persistent cold is going to kill surviving crops. Cannibalism is going to begin around this place. Population drops to survivalists almost exclusively. Global communication ends completely. And the death toll is going to be roughly over 90% of humanity in the first two years. Cristina: The first two years we're done. Jack: The first two years is 90% of humanity. Year three to five, Ash begins to settle. Worldwide, small agricultural zones reappear. Few communities rebuild infrastructure. Survivors adapt to the new ecosyste. Some and remaining humans, millions, the entire Earth collectively, only millions would remain would start to rebuild. So we would have the new. So that would be an apocalypse. Yeah, I think that's the post apocalypse. So we don't need everybody to cease. What we were seeing during the flood was the most crazy of events. It was so exaggerated. Cristina: Wait, you're talking about the Bible flood? Jack: The flood, yes, that Bible flood. If that was real, it's so exaggerated that only one family. The real idea would be you didn't know everybody on Earth. You thought everybody around you was all that existed. And maybe around the Earth after that flood happened, many people just like you survived. And those people repopulated. And that explains the giant differences between cultures. Cristina: You think they thought I don't understand so but like once they got off the boat, they would have noticed if there was other people? No. Jack: Why? Everybody's dead. Cristina: But there are people out. Jack: There are people out there. So it's Earth. Cristina: But when they're breeding with their children or their children are breeding with themselves, like they never realize or look around, I guess it's just them. Until eventually I'll paint this picture for you. Jack: Noah makes the ark. Noah gets on the ark. There's many people around Noah. There are also already natives in the Americas and in South America and people way over in Asia and in the depths of Africa. Migration has happened long. 00:40:00 Jack: It's been hundreds of thousands of years. Migration. We're everywhere. And then the flood happens. Now he doesn't know that people are this far spread out. Since the last ice age, the ground connecting where they migrated over doesn't exist anymore. It was ice. They walked over ice. It melted away. Now you don't even. It's been so many generations since that happened. You have no perspective. But you're here. Flood happens, everybody around you dies. All of them. You never see somebody again who wasn't in your family. You think Earth drowned and you wrote history. You're the last people surviving who know how to write and tell stories. Cristina: How many generations did it take before it was not just his family breeding with itself? Jack: Well, it would have to repopulate the entire general area. Everybody was his family, no matter what. It's. Until we start going into, like, they met Asians or they met South Africans, or they crossed and met people in. In South America or in North America. Cristina: Very strange. Jack: But everybody else is related to them to something. So. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: At least to the top guy. Cristina: Yes. Which I guess, in the end of the day, doesn't that mean, like, if you believe in the Bible, you also believe you're part of Noah's family? Yes. Jack: It would have to be. You're part of his lineage. Cristina: Yeah, yeah. It's Noah and it's. Jack: Yeah, we literally have us. The way I like to think about it is as follows. Adam and Eve. They create all of humanity that goes completely out of control. Then the destruction of everybody but the family. That will be the new Adam and Eve, pretty much. And then they again do that. They are 2.0. That's also why they are considered to be the important. Cristina: Except also Eve died. I. I guess you got to get rid of Eve no matter what. Eve does not exist, because isn't she the one? Oh, no. I'm thinking of the different story crap. All these Bible stories are ridiculous. I was thinking of the lady who looks back at the city and then she dies. That's not a. That's a different apocalypse, Right? Jack: That's not apocalypse. This is a city. Cristina: Oh, that's just the city. Jack: This is the world, allegedly. Cristina: Okay. Jack: People who believe in the Christian Bible and in the Torah believe they are descendants of Noah. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Everybody is a descendant of Noah. Cristina: Okay, that makes sense, I guess. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: In this weird way. All right. Jack: But that still means we're descendant of Adam. Because you can follow a line between Adam and Noah. Noah is some descendant of Adam. Everybody is. But really, everybody is also a descendant of Noah. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It's not that everybody's a descendant of Adam, but not a descendant of both Cain and Abel. You're either one or the other. You get my point. No, it doesn't work that way. Everybody's a descendant of Noah. Now, if Noah had five children, everybody's a descendant of one of those five children. Nobody's the descendant of both. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Or all five. I guess there's five. Cristina: Unless they made it with each other. Then you were. Jack: Unless they made it with each other. Yeah. Cristina: At least two of them. Jack: Yes, exactly, exactly, exactly. You would be a descendant of at least two. Yeah, but that would still mean descendant of. We're all descendants of Noah, according to this narrative. Cristina: Okay, that's very strange narrative. Okay. Jack: Now it rained for 40 days and 40 nights. That caused the Earth to flood. Cristina: I guess. Jack: So it must have been some crazy rain. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And was there no water on Earth before then? Where'd the water go? Cristina: Where did it go? Jack: It went to the center. Not the center, but it sank into the Earth. The Earth absorbed the water because then. Cristina: Where did it come from? Jack: Interesting. Let's assume the story is true. The story is true. Okay. What are we really talking about right now? We are talking about some sort of meteor fall that as it was entering the atmosphere, the fire was burning it down, the water and it just kept evaporating in our atmosphere, filling it out. There had to be some crazy. But they were all small rocks of H2O just burning in our atmosphere, filling it up with water, water, water. And Dennis just starts. There must have been a crazy colossal meteor that just missed us. That was really gonna end the job. Cristina: But like an ice ball. Jack: Yeah, Giant ice ball coming through and, you know, a bunch of surrounding smaller balls, but it passed really, really, really, really close. Maybe Earth didn't have a bunch of water yet, but really, really close. Or maybe Earth had right amount of water. Maybe we consider the ocean isn't directly connected to the center. 00:45:00 Jack: Maybe that's just a pool that has no exit and all the water is stuck there. But maybe there's holes here and there where water can go down. So when it rained for 40 days and 40 nights, the drain after the flood was quick because everywhere else the water would dissipate through. It could get down into the surface. But where the oceans are, there's no escape. So a giant meteor is coming through. It's. It's an ice rock, an asteroid coming through. And it has a bunch of small. Many, many. It must be huge. It must be some moon sized rock that just barely missed us. And then we're getting bombarded by the smaller ones that are burning up in the atmosphere. Cristina: No one notices that. Jack: I don't know. And how would he have known? That's the other problem. If we assume this is true, how would he have known? The billabo? How could you just know there's a giant rock from space? It couldn't be that. He had to be like a meteorologist or something. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And be predicting the movements of the clouds. I don't know. I don't know how do you flood the Earth? Cristina: That's kind of crazy. Jack: How do we scientifically ground this in a way that makes sense? How'd you flood the Earth? It couldn't have been. It had to be just this area. Cristina: It had to. That would make the most sense. That makes the most sense. Jack: Like everybody's ever been around is flooded. Cristina: Yeah, that's it. Like if he was in that weird Greek town that was flooded. Was it Greek Indian town? Oh, that was on the water and it just disappeared. Because they flooded it themselves. Jack: Yeah, but they knew that other people existed and they were. It's not. That's a small area. They could have easily traveled on foot somewhere else. You have to be such a. It still had to be a pretty epic flood. Or. These are people who never traveled anywhere. And it was. I mean, I guess maybe it was really hard to travel. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: A time where? In an area that was underdeveloped. Cristina: And are they on an island? Jack: No, but just assume we're. They're in an area that's underdeveloped and they are in. It's desert. Underdeveloped desert. And there isn't a lot of other places to go to. You guys are some of the first people. It's only been a couple of generations, right? Man. How many generations has it been between. Cristina: Between him and Adam? Jack: Between him and Adam. Yeah. How many people exist at the time of Noah? Cristina: Look that up. Jack: Okay, okay, okay, I got some answers here. In the entire planet at the time of Noah, there was roughly about 10 million people in all of Earth. Cristina: Okay, Right. That's still a nice amount of people. Jack: Yes. Now in the area directly surrounding Noah, like his general region, there was about a million of those people. That was one of the starting points of all people. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And like that and Africa probably had the two largest populations. Cristina: Okay, I thought you were saying like a hundred people. Jack: No, no. In that region. But it's important to keep perspective. Noah existed in a time and place that. I was right. Travel was nearly impossible to any faraway community. They didn't know other communities existed. And there was no worldview. Cristina: Okay. Jack: In the time of Noah. They did not. Cristina: That was their world. Jack: That was their world. They didn't consider that there were other people farther out. That wasn't a thought. All that existed is everybody you've seen. If you saw somebody that you've never met before, they claim they were from a far off place. Now suddenly that place exists in your world. And that often didn't happen. Most people thought them and their closest communities were all that ever existed, which. Cristina: Is a big size community. Jack: But okay, so relatively speaking, he would have thought so in his direct surrounding area, about 500,000 to a million people. Right. But his perspective based on who he might have ever seen and who he has seen has ever seen, he would have thought that There were about 10,000 people in all of Earth. Cristina: 10,000 people. Jack: 10,000 people in all of Earth. Additionally, his region could have easily flooded in its entirety and killed everybody if it, if a flood happened. Let me correct. I couldn't easily have flooded. If a flood did happen there, it could have easily flooded the entire region and killed everybody. So yes, he could have honestly believed, but everybody died. Cristina: A million people or the 10,000. Jack: He thought 10,000 in his region that we would. Where we would point at it on a map. There were about a million people. He was so far from most of those people, he probably didn't know they existed. Cristina: Okay. Jack: In his small within the dot, we would point out from million people. 00:50:00 Jack: Those people are so spread out between each other that it wasn't beneficial just. Cristina: Losing a million people. I mean, a thousand, ten thousand people. He probably would be like losing the world. Jack: The world ended. If 10,000 people died, he thought everybody was gone. Cristina: Okay. Jack: If his area flooded and 10,000 people died, he's like, there's nobody left around me. By the time the flood is gone, he never saw another person ever again. Cristina: All right, so then we're not all connected to him. I mean, maybe they want to believe. Jack: No, that's the Christian Bible. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Okay, but definitely his belief could be justified. And most of the world never even realized that happened. Cristina: Yeah, it's just a flood. Jack: It's just a flood. That was fair enough. Kind of large, but just in his spot. Cristina: But in the real, in like right now, could a flood like that happen? Well, in that could not have happened because that didn't happen. But like, could the world get flooded? And how Earth? Jack: Yes, it would have to be like I said, it would have to be like a giant ridiculous rock coming through that's all ice and bringing mad small ice rocks. Maybe it made impact long before it got anywhere near us and broke into a billion trillion tiny little pieces. So small. Cristina: It's gonna be a lot of water coming from somewhere else. Jack: Yeah, they're all just ice so that the moment they hit our atmosphere, they start just melt away. They just melt away quickly, all of them. But one does it fine. It just turned into a little cloud and you know, but then another and then another, and then another and then another. And it Keeps happening. It keeps happening and keeps happening. It keeps happening. It keeps happening. Cristina: How huge could asteroids get? Can they get planet size, moon size? Jack: Yeah, yeah. This won't be that. And also something like that would be making impact of crap left and right is huge. Gravity. It would be aiming at other crap. By default we have too much gravity. And plus whatever gravity of the thing it would just have made impact eventually become small anyways. That's why they're usually certain sizes. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And. And we literally just call things that are those sizes rogue planets. Cristina: You know, rogue ice planet hits us. Jack: Yeah. It would have to be a rogue ice planet because we wouldn't call it a meteor or an asteroid. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It just know you've crossed the threshold now you're even rarer. But yeah. We can expect big enough sizes and then get bombarded regularly until it starts to become too packed and starts to rain little by little versus a couple of days of rain without stop. And the rain always, always, always is heavier than a minute ago. Indefinitely more. Cristina: But what are we dying? Jack: Would. I mean a lot of people would if it caught us off guard. Well no, the problem is with our current day technology wouldn't happen. Cristina: Both. And we'll just be both people. Jack: We'll be both people. Cristina: But could we survive off of just fishing? I guess would be the way because there's no plants us like you get seaweed I guess. I don't know. Like obviously the food. There will be a huge problem in the future. Jack: If we jump a thousand years in the future and we say that the planet is always flooded. We've adapted and we figured it out in the apocalypse scenario because you can think in the future. A thousand years in the future plants adapted and became the water plant survived. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And plants that could be drowned and handle it have adopt adapted and we've figured out ways to get them. And we've grown plants on the sides of buildings and on top of buildings that are floating and crap. And still if a big enough flood we've made skyscrapers those are going to be packed with people. Cristina: Yeah. So you'll think it won't really be the end of the world. It'll be the end of whatever we had. Life as we know it's like yeah, it's going to be a whole different type of life. Jack: And I still. Yeah. I think if we. If it's coming, we know because we have the technology to prepare and see it coming from a million miles away and turn society into all. Cristina: You can't just flood in a day like you Just can't. Like no automatic. Everything's flooded. Jack: No. Cristina: That kind of thing. Yeah. Okay. There's no chance. But like, how could that even. Jack: I mean, we could change the scenario a little and say we see nothing in space and then tomorrow it's the moon's distance from us. Do we have the time to start building the boats? We won't. It's gonna flood. But now how bad is the flood gonna be if it's. It's still not gonna happen overnight. No, it's gonna build up slowly. Cristina: So you can still plan. Jack: Yeah, we won't. People are gonna die. We don't have the facilities. Cristina: Yes. Jack: For this. Cristina: People will die. But it's not never gonna be as high as other scenarios. Jack: No. 1 we're throwing. Most people are throwing everything out of skyscrapers. Leave the bottom. Everybody get the f*** away from the building. We're emptying every floor from bottom the top and stocking all the skyscrapers with all the food, all the food we could find, all the skyscrapers. Scientists 00:55:00 Jack: are going to give us an average based on how much rain they think for how long. And hopefully they're right. And it doesn't go beyond that point. And we're going to go. Starting at the top and we're just going to the. When the rain begins, as the flooding begins, we will start to inhabit these buildings more and more and keep going up, keep going up, keep going up, keep going up, keep going up until we can't go up anymore. Not everybody's gonna fit. Cristina: No. Jack: Billions are gonna fit. Cristina: People find other things. Jack: Boats for days. Cristina: Raptors, Rafters. Raft. Yeah, raft. Boats. Jack: Oh, rafts, things. Cristina: Little boats. Jack: Yeah, yeah. Just boats and crap canoes. Everywhere would be fine. A bunch of people be fine. Cristina: The. Jack: Other problem is, is this gonna be just flooding or is this gonna be storming? If it's gonna be storming, people are on boats. They, the skyscrapers. Cristina: I was thinking of flooding, but like it could be storming. I don't know. I don't know. Jack: No, it's f*****. Especially if trees get swallowed up. Cristina: Yes. Jack: If trees are underwater, you're f*****. Trees stop floods. They slow down waves and movement. If you have a giant forest by the ocean before your city, the trees slow down any kind of impactful water from gaining momentum. But if it goes over the trees and a wave can just roll over it, then what? Cristina: But would like the world becomes flooded because of this asteroid? Are there also more storms because things are different? Jack: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Cristina: Like, is that a product of what's going on yes. Jack: The humidity level is going to rise ridiculously. It's going to make everything way f****** hotter. The sun is going to directly be hitting water all the time, creating vapor consistently. That's going to rise and create an infinite cycle of rain. After the ice finishes landing on Earth, the amount of rain that has established is going to cycle through indefinitely. If it floods over trees, that's crazy amount of flooding. And it's just going to cycle indefinitely. So it's going to be so much humidity with the sun always hitting and there's going to be moisture in the air always. And there's going to be vapor in the air always. And clouds are going to be be packed and dense always because the sun is always hitting. And it's just going to be an infinite cycle of rain and rain and rain and rain. Cristina: Okay? Jack: It won't unflood. It will never unflood beyond a certain amount of water. Cristina: Okay? Jack: I'll never unflood unless I'm right. And the earth has gaps underneath in which the wash the water will just go. And what we see as oceans isn't because there's more water beneath them, but rather because that's. That's an area that water can't escape from. If that's the case and everywhere else, water will eventually sink through the ground through, okay. And it might be a really long time before we have what we consider dry. But if that's the case, people in skyscrapers will be fine if they have the resources. People on the boats will probably die because of the storming and crap until the water sinks in. Cristina: What if they're on big, those big, big, big boats? The big. Jack: It depends, right? Because the big. The bigger the boat, the safer by default. It depends on the type of wave too. Really really small boats on really really big waves do fine because it'll unnotably just the wave is so big it doesn't affect the small boat. It would go under it. If you have a really big boat and a really big wave, you're f*****. Cristina: Oh. Jack: If you have a really big boat and many small waves, you're fine. If you have a small boat and many small waves, you're okay. Cristina: If you have a submarine, you're good. Jack: Depends how high the water went. You just need to be below where the waves would affect you. Cristina: So can you like what would not work out? For a summary, if the world is flooded, like what? Jack: No, they could just submarines already in the ocean world floods again. Good. You're fine. Anybody on the submarine is fine. They don't Even notice. Cristina: Okay, they're fine. Jack: Water over them, it's just take longer to get up. There's more pressure. You got to go higher up now. I guess so, because the water level's rising everywhere. Cristina: Well, hopefully they can figure that out. Jack: But I guess flooding could happen. I don't know if it's the most likely or even probably not. Cristina: Probably not at all. Jack: But what else could happen? What other apocalypse could there be? The volcano is pretty badass one. I think that's possibility. But we don't know. That's random chance. And they we would start rebuilding after five years. Cristina: I don't know. Probably that government making something that accidentally. Jack: Leaks out a virus, right? That feels so right. They're gonna be like, no, we're just gonna do a little of it to scare them. Cristina: It 01:00:00 Cristina: happening once makes it feel like, okay, it could happen again. It happened once, man. I made it even the first time. Jack: Dude. I'm sure many of these other diseases and things that have rolled by in the past were the same thing. Cristina: Exactly. People already question a lot of other things of like, was this the government's cancer is probably. Yes, yes. Jack: So probably right. Cristina: So yeah, maybe that's most likely. Jack: It's the government's full of s***, bro. So, yeah, I really, really. I think so too. I specifically think some kind of a viral outbreak, something similar to Covid that we just. That really goes rogue to control. It's. Oh yeah, it's Covid 2.0. We're gonna throw it out there and. Cristina: You know, we got pretty sure there was a cop two and three. Jack: Yeah, whatever. Some Covid chapter two. And they're gonna have like a vaccine or something. They'll be like, no, we. We built vaccine before we threw it out there, so we're good. And then it mutates one step too far and it's like, crap, we don't have a vaccine for where it went. Cristina: So dumb. Jack: And then it's like, oh crap. And anybody who catches it has liver failure by the next day. And it's like, d***, everybody's dying everywhere. It's like, d***, bro. Cristina: Yeah, that's exactly what's go happen. Jack: Yeah, that's what's going to happen. Some crap like that. Cristina: But then. So at the end of the day, the government knows. Jack: I guess it would have to be an apocalypse that was caused by the government. And they know. But afterwards they wouldn't tell us. In the moment, they'll never admit to it. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Because we would revolt. Didn't want that. The whole point was to try to take control. They're going to make us revolt further. They're not going to tell us. Cristina: Okay. Jack: So that's definitely. I do agree. I do it. I think that's the most possible. I don't know what the point of this conversation was. Why were we trying to figure out what was the most likely? Cristina: I thought that was your topic of the day. Jack: No, no, we never got to that. I guess we'll have to do that next time. Cristina: What? You said this was it. Jack: I know, but we had to figure out how the world is going to end. And apparently it's going to be a viral outbreak that the government is going. Cristina: To cause by accident. Ish. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Semi is not really. I don't know. Like, it's not intentional, but they definitely let it happen. Jack: Yeah, I mean, it's like it's. It's basically the argument for 9 11. Right. What that is like, you think they did it? I mean, if they didn't do it, they knew it was gonna happen and they, like, they didn't stop it. Cristina: Okay, yeah, something like that. Jack: You know, it's the argument for 9 11. I mean, I won't say they did it. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: But like. Like they knew they had intel and they could have easily. And they were like, it'll be in our benefit if we let it happen. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: As it goes. Cristina: That's. Yeah, that's it. Jack: I guess just a moment of it'll. Yeah, sure. It'll be in our benefit if it gets out. We'll easily contain it. The scare will be in our benefit now they're scared because most of them died. And they're like, we don't know what to do. Cristina: But that's. That's the thing. That's what happened with COVID I guess, in a way too. Jack: A bunch of them. That's. Cristina: That's it. Jack: So I guess. Cristina: I guess next week we'll find out. Jack: Yeah, next week we'll find out. But at least this week we know that the apocalypse is definitely gonna happen. Cristina: And Noah was exaggerating. Noah's was. Noah's story was exaggerated. Jack: Exaggerated. It does not. It doesn't fit, man. It's crazy. It's impossible. But, yeah, whatever. Anyways, so the next time we'll. We'll definitely get to that stuff and you guys can tell us what. What apocalypse you guys think is going to be the most likely. Just sit down. Cristina: Think about. You think actually knows it, because that was part of it too. Yeah. Jack: If the government isn't the knowing party and somebody. Oh, it was because we were trying to find out if Nostradamus was a predictive genius or something. Not really. But like, if somebody were to to by chance know for a fact, yes, Apocalypse is coming, what would be the most likely scenario? And it would definitely be the government having accidentally made it themselves. Cristina: Yeah. So if you have a different answer to this question, let us know. Jack: Yes. Contact us. Send us a message at. Just convopod on X, on Facebook, on Tick tock, on Instagram, wherever you want. Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show. Jack: Yes. And word of mouth is the most overpowered thing in the world. If you know somebody who has even better answers, tell them to listen to it and get ideas and then tell us. Cristina: Yes. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. S.A. 01:05:00 Cristina: good morning. Good morning whoever dub attempt. The podcast is hosted by Cristina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black. 01:05:29

Rambling 284: Sketchy Deal

Who is the Boy boy by the Bridge? What is the Clinton Furnace? And who owns the area? The duo continue deep diving into the records of Clinton Road and its surrounding forest in an attempt to discover the origin of the Spacetime Distortions in the area. What’s uncovered is both shocking and exceptionally strange and mysterious. What does it mean? Anyone’s guess. Join us and find out what our duo uncover!

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  • Boy by the Bridge
  • The Lady in White
  • Clinton Furnace
  • Newark Watershed Organization
  • Mysterious Contracts

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And so let's do a quick recap for anybody who is new and anybody who needs the recap that might have missed a couple of episodes. We totally got off the Elysians because we loot. You're using all of their awesome knowledge to find weird things current day instead of keep digging infinitely into the past. And boy, have we found some s***. So for anybody not aware using current day, I mean, using the knowledge we acquired from the past, we've looked at a couple of different things, including some ancient structures like Stonehenge. And we looked at the comparison. Yes. We looked at mysterious places. We looked at Skywalker Ranch. We looked at basically a bunch of things just using the acquired information. And in doing so we came across a couple of patterns. And then we applied these patterns to things we're personally familiar with because we can go investigate these things. And so in doing so, we've been going through Clinton Road making sense of the weirdness that happened 15 years ago. And we've actually come to some interesting informational conclusions using the cross reference information we have. Great. Fantastic. A couple of those details included an episode per episode take on all the different sections of things that are just echoes, things that are some phantoms of some sort, and actual total significant things. And within those groups we've come across other things to look at. Primarily the. The big focus that we had was to see what is out there that we can ground.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we went on the path of the. The lady.

Cristina: Yeah. Whether she's a shadow person or whatever. Yes, whatever she is.

Jack: And so we investigated that and there's a lot about her. It turns out as we deducted that there might be one person, might be one person. And there seems to be a literal timeline happening, a point in which they start to show up and a bunch of events that follow it. It looks like a girl shows up and then she's in panic for years. And slowly as time goes by, she's more adjusted to her scenario. Kind of like somebody got lost in the shadow realm and had to acclimate, but was scared at the beginning when we were seeing her. Scared. And then over time very adapted and over time trying to investigate the scenario, no longer scared of it. And eventually looks like a scientist almost Investigating and running tests out there. Almost ignoring the people that she sees. And that's weird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Specifically, something about the lake. She's taking samples and doing something to the lake. The lake is something important, although we can't tell what.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And we can't tell whether she was living in the castle or if that was a base of operations of some sort. Because a lot of times I just saw her hanging out, like, living there.

Cristina: I don't think she's living there because there's so much happening there that there's no way you can live there when.

Jack: There'S so much unless there's nothing happening. And all the people we see live there.

Cristina: That's a lot of people. Could be.

Jack: Could definitely be. So that's where we were. And one of the thing. One of the notes we came across was a couple of notes, actually, public records, mentioning this girl along with the boy. Those two separate occasions when she was seen with the boy. Once at the bridge and another one, another spot. And so I went ahead and I looked at the boy in particular, because we got the lady. And the lady is connected to another human. Who's the young boy on top of that. The lady began as a girl. Looked like a young girl in 1950, 1965. But the word girl became a lady, and the word lady became a woman as time went by. Giving us a visual that people are describing what they seem to be like.

Cristina: Aging person.

Jack: An aging person. The term seems accurate to them when they're describing it. Began with girl, cross through lady, and ended up a woman. That's an aging person. And by the understandings we have, people who age must be from this side. At least that's what it seems like to us.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess. Because we don't know what's happening.

Jack: Yes. We have no clue. So let us begin by showing you some images. And I want you to just tell the listeners what it is you're looking at. That's all that matters.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: They're going to see the images and post, like, the episode thumbnail and stuff like that. But it is very important that you look at this and tell me what it is you see.

Cristina: Are you somehow related to each other?

Jack: The same place?

Cristina: Okay, the first one. Because the first one, I can't really tell what it is.

Jack: Ruins.

Cristina: It's ruins. Yeah. The second one is a doorway into the ruins. Unless this is the tower or castle, whatever. No, but it doesn't look like a castle. And the third one, it looks like just a building in the forest.

Jack: Yeah. These are different angles at the same place.

Cristina: The third one doesn't look real, though.

Jack: No, the third one isn't real.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Is that like, what people think?

Jack: No, that's what it looks like. That's what it used to look like.

Cristina: What? Yeah, like what it used to look like, but like what people think it used to look like.

Jack: No, that's what it looks like. That's what it used to look like. Exactly what it used to look like. It just so happens to be a perfect rendition instead of a sort of rustic looking one. The idea was to get a perfect visual of what it looks like.

Jack: Which.

Cristina: It looks like a house, I guess. I don't know. It looks strange. It doesn't look like a house either. It looks like a building, but it doesn't look like anything.

Jack: Okay, saying it doesn't look like this, it doesn't look like that. Not helpful. Describe what you're looking at. You describe the doorway. That's.

Cristina: There's a doorway. There's a fireplace. I think there's something in the bottom. I don't know what that is. That's round, going down. Like a pipe. Yes, There you go. Pipe. There's a pipe.

Jack: A pipe. Doing what? Saying there's a pipe means nothing. There's a pipe going from the base wall down to a different. Down to. It turns down into another level. That's a description right there. It's turning from a second story down into a first story. The chimney you're describing is connected to the building, but towards the largest fragment of it. There are three different fragments to the tower, as far as we can tell. And we can confirm that based on the structure that we're looking at, where we can't see the other parts of it. It does have a triangular form. So there must be a more steady form behind it, which in other images you'll notice not. And I don't have the image here, but the. In the bottom image, you're looking at where the smaller piece that's actually behind the two images we're looking at.

Cristina: So there's two ways in.

Jack: There's not. I mean, yeah, sure, there's two ways in, but what you're looking at is. Yeah, yeah. So you're looking at the back of it and then the bottom one, we're looking at the front of it. That's technically the actual front.

Cristina: The bottom image, the bottom one is so dark, I can't tell if there's windows. Is there windows?

Jack: There are windows, yes.

Cristina: Okay. Because I know it look really strange if it's just two ways in and then windows. But okay, so there's windows. It looks like it's made out of some kind of brick.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And I'm not sure what it's supposed to. Like maybe it's a home.

Jack: It's not a home. Doesn't matter what you think it is. Just describe what you see.

Cristina: Yeah, that's all I see. A building, a forest.

Jack: All right, I'll keep adding some details. Yes. It's made out of a red and brown brick style. The main attraction here is the centerpiece that seems to be the focal point of almost every image. And the rest of the structures kind of fade away to the background. The tower has been knocked down over time. That's the most collapsed part. You can actually see it on the other side here. The building is towards the front and you can see the tower towards the back there. And the original building was well known for what you see here, the green. It was covered in moss everywhere. That doesn't get seen in the newer versions because the forest around it has been sort of killed by its own ruins.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah. Preventing the. It sort of covered the ability for dirt to grow grass and s***. So it's ruins are stopping the growth. And so the moss has vanished. And so everything is kind of disappeared. But ultimately it was very covered. Now what you're looking at is called the furnace.

Cristina: Furnace.

Jack: Yes. What you're looking at is called the furnace. And the furnace. That's why it has a chimney. That's where you would let the smoke out. The background pipe is to run different materials. And it's in facility. I cannot tell you what the f*** this was used for originally. There are so many stories, it's not even worth getting into. I'm not talking about what it was used for. Too many things. It's a furnace. Think of uses for it. People were using it for that. Whatever you can think of using cremation. Somebody cremated somebody there. You need to get rid of material that's toxic. Somebody did that in there. It's a furnace. It was used for whatever they say.

Cristina: It was used for. Whatever.

Jack: Yes. I'm telling you what? I'm telling you what. All the information I've acquired. Oh, I'm not adding any sauce to anything.

Cristina: Anything. Okay.

Jack: That was a furnace and was used for many things. I'm not sure which one of them were actually used for. These are just different things it could have been used for. So we're not even gonna bother talking about that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because I know you will. We're not Gonna break into what it was used for because it doesn't matter to the ultimate bigger picture of what we're gonna talk about.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The point of this furnace is that in looking for the kid, I found this. This is one of the places the kid was found. Really? Yeah.

Cristina: What? So that's somewhere in.

Jack: This is the Clinton furnace.

Cristina: Whoa. It's just in the middle of nowhere.

Jack: Just in the woods.

Cristina: That's. That's pretty creepy. But okay, yes.

Jack: So the bridge, very prominent location for the child. The furnace, second, very prominent location for the child. They show up in other places. These are the two most consistent, like last time, a bunch of records that I even put timelines about how often they were mentioned within these gaps. Same idea, except I'm not doing that timeline thing. But these were the two most extreme mentions at the bridge. But we've heard that one a lot.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And looking into that, found very little. Yeah, the furnace, weird anomaly. You start looking into the furnace, you find the furnace's existence. You find public records of the kid being mentioned. Oh, there's been a lost boy. We think we saw a boy loss. We think we saw runaway by there. All these different scenarios of there's a young boy somewhere around the ruins of the furnace.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Okay, okay, so that was interesting. So I start looking into the furnace.

Cristina: It has to be a hotspot, right?

Jack: It has to be a hot spot. Or it doesn't have to be a hot spot, but there's something weird about the furnace. And then we find only even in public records, even in documentations of construction, even. There's no direct link as to why this exists, just theories as to why it was there and what it was being used for. Yeah, very strange.

Cristina: How long ago do you have, like a year it was made or something?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Oh, wow.

Jack: No, it's just very obscure information on this. It's sort of unknown.

Cristina: It's just, it's a mystery.

Jack: It's a legitimate mystery.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: So I was, I wanted to know who owns this right now, who owns that? And like it's somebody's property. Otherwise I could just go there and say, it's mine. Yeah, somebody owns it.

Jack: So I look at who owns it and okay, it lands right back where we started. It was owned by the Newark Watershed Conservation and Development Corporation, the people who own the woods.

Cristina: Okay, so what were they doing?

Jack: Yeah, exactly. The problem is that existed already and it was bought by NORC when the other guy died. Okay, so we're gonna talk about that for a second. What do we what do you remember specifically about that? Or should I just go into it and not bother.

Cristina: Let me try. Let me try a little. Okay. See, they were hired to investigate the kkk. I think that's what I remember.

Jack: Okay, I'll jump into it. When the owner died, his. Their family. His family sold the property, the castle and the land to the NORC Watershed Organization, the new Watershed.

Cristina: Did you?

Jack: Yes, I did.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The Newark Watershed Organization was then contacted by the mayor.

Cristina: That's what I remember, the mayor.

Jack: So that they can work. I mean, they were. Contact. Yeah. The Norquater Shed and the mayor. Yeah. Mayor of West Milford work together to investigate because there were reports of cult activity. And so they go and research, come up with nothing. The guy retires, and then we get mentions of the kkk.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: They were just working along. So the structure existed before that. They acquired the property, the castle. And that was on the property. So that's theirs too. So that's what the background to that was, wasn't. They were hired to look at the kkk.

Cristina: Because at that time, people were just.

Jack: Cool with the kkk. Unless you were black.

Cristina: Okay. It was about the Colts.

Jack: Yeah. So when Richard J. Cross died, who is a former owner, is when it was acquired. Now looking at the Newark Watershed Conservation and Development Corporation, which for short, I might just call NORC Watershed.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: NORC Watershed was being investigated for corruption from 2008 to 2013. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they were found guilty in 2013 for corruption. Yes.

Cristina: Okay. What are they doing?

Jack: Key thing to matter about here is ownership of the entire property shifts to the city of Newark in 2013, where it has ignored the forest facilities since. Now, Newark Watershed was in charge of maintaining and taking care of the forest. And in the 1950s, as it was falling into disrepair, people started hanging out in that area. And that's what you know. There's kids hanging out in there and we got these reports of satanic things. We cannot have kids trying to think it's fun and scary and go check it out. That's dangerous. We gotta investigate, make sure there's nothing there. So when kids show up, they don't eventually, you know, what was it, 1988 like? You just knock it down. Kids are still going to this f****** day. And that s***'s dangerous now. It's falling apart so much, it's dangerous. Just knock it down so nobody gets hurt out there.

Cristina: Which one they're knocking down? The castle.

Jack: Yeah, the castle. This is about the castle. But so they. When newark acquired in 2013, they just ignored it. But it was already in disrepair. So it was nothing. It's like at least nobody's stealing money and saying they're. So what are the charges that they were given that they were in fact guilty for? So two charges. Let's unpack the first one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The first charge is kickback schemes. I'll explain. A kickback scheme is when you create a loop scenario where you get profit off of money that was supposed to go for something else. Usually we call that taking off the top.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Right. So what was happening? No maintenance or oversight was being performed specifically on the property of Clinton Road. The surrounding forests and structures. Specifically on that. They. The Northwatershed organization owns a bunch of things.

Cristina: And they just abandoned it? Pretty much.

Jack: Well, they abandoned this place. They own a bunch of things. They're in charge of maintaining a bunch of places. And they just don't do that for Clinton Road or the forest specifically. That area. All their other s*** is well maintained. And Clinton Road is so wide and the things are so hard to locate within it that there's no point. You could just take them out their word. Whatever. Who's out there anyways? Right. Funding provided by the city of Newark for the property, for maintaining the property was paid to shell companies owned by members of the organization. So fake. Other companies would come in and maintain with the budget provided by. But those companies were owned by the members. Fun. And no worker was sent in to maintain anything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So all of it, a hundred percent of it is pocket money. On top of the fact that goes through somebody's quote company, unquote. So they get more money through tax and stuff. Because you're running a business.

Cristina: That's so strange that they would pick the spots and just ignore.

Jack: It is so strange. I would pick this spot to be fair. So strange.

Cristina: Wonder why.

Jack: Right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're just stealing the money. That seems like the logical reason. Nobody's gonna look at this. Just stealing the money. What else could we say it is? Right. It's a bunch of people. They know all the property is in ruins or so distant into the woods. And people don't normally get out of their car. Most people are scared. And the few people who make it that far, they're already careful enough. Do this frequently. It's like there's no worries here. Really. Really?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Even the investigation from the 50s was just for caution. No kid is going to go and really get hurt because these are thrill seekers. Which means they're usually the more cautious individuals because they're familiar with thrill seeking. So what do you do? You pocket the money. This is stupid project. We acquired the thing and whatever.

Cristina: Well.

Jack: So what's interesting is in the document, it elaborates as this has been going on for about 70 years.

Cristina: How many? Seven.

Jack: 70 years.

Cristina: 70. Oh, okay.

Jack: Whoa. It could not have been the same people. 70 years is aggressively long. You tell me 20 years, I can believe the same people were doing it. You tell me 70 years. That's two entire lifetimes. If you started at one person, he died, and now another person, then he died. Now that next person is in charge.

Cristina: That's possible.

Jack: Yeah. Except why are they still running this system? Nobody came through who wasn't corrupt.

Cristina: Yeah, well, if they hire the people that are. I don't know. That's interesting.

Jack: Fair enough. Maybe Norquatershed was selecting its employees. Yeah, like, oh, I. I want to lift this guy from this other place and bring him with us. And it's like, you definitely work with him in other places. Probably mentioned, hey, I got some opportunities, you know, if you. If you could be trusted.

Cristina: It became a family business thing. Like, okay, my children.

Jack: Yes, essentially. Right. The names of the individuals, irrelevant. We look at them and it goes nowhere. It's just. They were really just racking in the money. That's it. It's just weird corruption thing. But I don't know. This is weird.

Cristina: Yeah. For seven, 70 years.

Jack: That's crazy about 70 years. And because for 70 years it wasn't maintained. That's why the castle went to disrepair. That's why everything became ruins. Nothing was being maintained and now nothing is left. Yeah, I mean, there's stuff out there, but none of it is maintained. So that is the first charge. The second charge is where it gets a little more interesting because the second charge was bribery.

Cristina: Who are they bribing? Okay, what's going on?

Jack: Well, members of the NORC Watershed organization were receiving third party donations in exchange for not performing all of their duties.

Cristina: Oh, okay. I see. They're getting money from whoever's using the forest to do whatever the mysterious things that people are saying that are happening there. Okay.

Jack: Emails, wire transfers, as well as paper trails dating more than two thirds of a century backed the investigation and the conviction of the members.

Cristina: So it's been happening since the beginning of 70 years to current day?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Well, not current, but when they decided to do something about it.

Jack: So I. We. There's a lot of math we have to think about right now. 70 years. This happens. The conviction in 2013. If we count backwards, where do we land? You take 10 from 70, you make it 60, that leaves you to 2003. Now you subtract 60 and that takes you to 1940.

Cristina: Okay, 1943.

Jack: Yeah. Right. Now this is, this is where it's going to get a little interesting. And we got to unpack some of these details. Now first. Weird. Before I go on to the next, let's. Let's unpack this real quick. Definitely. It sounds like you're right. There's this third party who's bribing them. Is bribing them for them ignoring the thing. Yes, because it doesn't say what duties they were to ignore. The two charges don't seem in paperwork related, but they're obviously to us. Yeah. You telling me they're being bribed to not do their job and telling me that they were receiving all the money provided for a job that was given directly to them and they were supposed to put for the thing, but they just pocketed and said that's the reality of what's happening here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Two quote, unrelated, obviously related.

Cristina: Oh my gosh, it's so wrong.

Jack: It's weird too. So who is the third party? And none of you. Like, who the f***? Why are you guys okay with it instead of reporting? Then again, you don't care to be.

Cristina: With the cult, though. It's like the most. Like you were. That was the first time we hear of them. Like, oh, solve that cult problem. And like that cult problem probably took care of them. That's probably where it starts. I don't know. I don't remember what year that starts, though.

Jack: Well, here's what's interesting, right? Because we assume it makes sense that this has been going on since it got bought, except it got bought in 1919. And if it got bought in 1919, then nothing makes less sense than 70 years back. Because even if we started at the year 2000, it would be 80 years already just to get to 1920. Then we'd have to add another 10 years to get to 2010. So that's 90. Or it's almost 100 years apart, but we're seeing 70. And when we do the math, we land in the 40s, 43. And when we find out when the lady was first mentioned, it's 1965.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We're in the ballpark of something that's happening, but it's unclear what the f*** is happening. We're just insignificant time. So let's dive a little deeper into this. So the two primary members, everybody else was given fines. Everybody else was given jail time. These two spearheaders were given prison time.

Cristina: Okay, cool.

Jack: Now let's unpack the details here. The bribery was. So they discontinue monitoring, specifically the forest. I find that later in the original documents for the courts, in the original case files, they were reported as separate, different cases. And there was almost an attempt, an intentionality to not relate them. It looked very intentional. There was never anybody who clearly stated, well, somebody was doing something in the forest if you guys weren't mentioned. Nowhere. But like, could it be any more obvious?

Cristina: Yes. Who is this? Other people? Where's that? Courtroom.

Jack: Yeah. And like the fact that there was no attempt to connect the dots. There was no attempt on record to connect the dots, but you could find anywhere else that the theories of people just. Yeah, it was definitely that they were getting paid for. Like, people know this. It's just common knowledge that this. Whoever this group was, was clearly paying these people to go in and out. But no document says it. No official court document says it. No official public document says it that they're related. Yeah. You find other non officialized documents throughout time that mention things.

Cristina: None of it mentions who this other party could be.

Jack: No. So, yeah. To allow the third party free access to the lands was ultimately the point. Weirdly enough, the third party's name had been redacted anywhere it had been mentioned.

Cristina: So they know who it is.

Jack: Yep. From everywhere. Doesn't matter where. And there again was an intentionality to not mention their name in a lot of places where it would be obvious that you would. In a proper court structure, you'd probably restructure this to forcefully include the name as often as possible, to reference back as often as possible. Just obviously absent from places. You'd structure things intentionally to have it weird.

Cristina: So they knew. They knew and. But for some reason, you can't say it.

Jack: The city of Nork. No, I don't know if West Milford had any f******.

Cristina: Yeah, but they. The city. What? Okay.

Jack: And I don't know what's happening because again, the mayor of Milford was concerned about weird things. He was the one staging organized like, you know, let's go investigate.

Cristina: Yes. And then he quit. So was he bribed to quit or something?

Jack: Something scary must have happened to him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the paper trail extends straight into the very first initial agreement that was signed by this redacted named company. You know what this reminds me of? When we first found the trade route that goes to Epstein's Island. It was a whole episode. And this reminds me of that. I mean, it was like a shipping spot that was Just on this island.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it would only take one trip, and it was to the Epstein's island. This reminds me of that level of sketch of, like, somebody went far to make this vanish.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The paper trail goes all the way to 8-3-19. That is the first sighting of the document. 8-3-19.

Cristina: How did they do it, though?

Jack: Like, it.

Cristina: That's so crazy that you said 70 years.

Jack: Like, how it has to be intentional with people hiring. They had to be hand picking everybody intentionally.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It was gonna eventually collapse. It's crazy it lasted that long.

Cristina: Yeah. That's so crazy. Make it last that long.

Jack: But that means they were slipping and that's why they were put on there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Something was giving, and it was becoming too visible. And it was that time for the city to be like, you guys are not trustworthy anymore for whatever reason.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because they didn't go in and do anything. In fact, now it's less guarded. It's actively less guarded. And nobody's taking money for it. Nobody's been pretending to garden. Now it's just not guarded.

Cristina: I don't understand. Oh, maybe whoever this third party was realized, like, it doesn't matter. We don't have to keep paying these people. Like, they got them in trouble because now they don't have to bribe them because they know, like, okay, we. The laws make sense now that we don't need them.

Jack: Yeah, Fair. Maybe. It could totally be the case.

Cristina: Things are gonna just work out for us because there's no.

Jack: Yeah. They could have structural structured things in such a way that they're like, we couldn't get caught. And if we did get caught, we couldn't get in trouble.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Like, definitely. It could be. I don't know what the logic behind it is, but it's just a weird shift. This suddenly happened. Something made the Newark Watershed Organization irrelevant. Suddenly.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Not sure what, but something did. And it could have totally been that.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Weird. And here's the thing. We had a period of random cars coming in and out. This sketchy. Unmarked black vehicles coming in and out. This gets signed in 1935, in 1939. And then in 1965. Actually, I have the thing right here. See, the very first mention.

Cristina: Oh, the cars.

Jack: Of the woman is actually 1965. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, 1965. And then where do we get mentions of the cars? Blah, blah, blah. No, 1966. Immediately following the lady. Okay, 1965 is when the lady shows up. 1966 is the cars. 1939 is when the agreement was signed. Now, I had to add this extra note here because of the nature of the situation, but I'm gonna scroll up to that real quick and I'm going to tell you something that is very exaggeratedly interesting. And we can unpack it after I say it. I don't know what it means or what it should mean. Let's unpack some of the acquisition details.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In 1919, Clinton Road is acquired by the NORC Watershed Organization. In 1939, the Sketchy Deal is performed. That is August 31st, the Last Thursday and day of the month. Why did I feel it was relevant to point that out? The Newark Watershed Organization signs a donor agreement on that date with a third party donor to leave Clinton Road and the surrounding forest unmaintained and unpatrolled. Now, why is the date so significant?

Cristina: I don't know. And tries to guess. I don't know.

Jack: The very, very, very next day is the beginning of World War II. The very next day this gets signed, and the very next day is the beginning of World War II. I don't know if that's relevant in any manner, shape or form. The very next day World War II started.

Cristina: Okay. Now is it coincidence? Yeah.

Jack: Now let's talk about this coincidence real quick. There's three pieces in here that make a lot of sense for what I just said. I don't know what they mean.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The date this was signed. Sightings of the KKK at the castle. And one other piece that stops it from being coincidences, but suddenly makes it something to observe. How do we start the episode with a boy. Where?

Cristina: In the furnace place.

Jack: There's nothing more N*** Germany than a furnace. Oh, we have the KKK, a furnace and the date before World War II all in the same place.

Cristina: Because we have no idea if that is the kkk.

Jack: We have no idea. We also know that druids look identical to a cloaked man. So, you know, just random details that just seem to build patterns. I don't know what that means. I don't know what the relevance of this date was. I was looking, what significant thing happened around here. Googling and s***. I'm like, what the f***? World War I started the very next day. Hours from this point.

Cristina: Interesting. I don't know. It's just weird. I don't know.

Jack: It's just weird. I also don't know.

Cristina: The boy. If there was other beings around the furnace, that'd be interesting. Like other ghosts.

Jack: There have been. There's just no repetition.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The boy is who's often seen there.

Cristina: Yeah, he Definitely feels like an echo type of thing. But then he's in two places.

Jack: He's in two places. And we know he's not an echo because of one detail. He interacts with the woman we know isn't an echo and that unless she's playing a role to look like an echo herself.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: But she interacts with the boy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the boy isn't an echo, but he's always like.

Cristina: They never say he's doing something like, what is he doing here?

Jack: I don't know. He's always hanging around the furnace and he's always by the bridge. One or the other. It could just be a legit hangout spot by the bridge. Again, we've seen kids. Apparently they like to come close to the road and see people from the other side us roaming by. This could be that same thing. Kids is cool spot to see people from the other side.

Cristina: But if he and the girl are the same, why doesn't he age?

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. And weirdly enough, I had the same thought and I looked.

Cristina: Is there a man?

Jack: No, no. The boy is always the boy from beginning, straight through. The boy is always a boy.

Cristina: He's a ghost. No matter what he is some kind of ghostly figure.

Jack: He might actually be a jinn. He might actually be a jinn who's achieving human like features somehow. I don't know. I don't know. The boy is weird. There was no age attached to it. It never became a teenager. It was never a young man. It was never an older. There's nothing. No, it's always a boy. Always a young boy. And that's weird because the lady aged around him.

Cristina: That's weird.

Jack: Unless it's different boys. It doesn't seem to be. The descriptions all match. There seems to be very consistent. It could be different boys, but then they're in uniform.

Cristina: That's also very strange.

Jack: But now let's take a step back. This girl could be one of many girls and something extra wrong happened to her. Or all of them are girls and we're seeing a bunch because again, sometimes we still get mentions of the young girl. But rarely. Rarely. Maybe. Maybe there's just kids being experimented on. That fits the suit for 99 of the we've looked into.

Cristina: Yes, but do we never get the girl at the furnace?

Jack: I never know. No records of the girl at the furnace.

Cristina: Okay. What was the furnace doing in there? I don't know. Okay.

Jack: Weird, right?

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: What are we learning? What is this telling Us.

Cristina: There's things that look related but we cannot connect them.

Jack: Yeah. And there's some weird f****** NORC is in on whatever's happening. NORC knows, or at least it has an idea.

Cristina: Or they can't do anything about it.

Jack: Or they can't do anything about it. But no, I doubt that. I think there's. I don't know. Who knows? Maybe you're totally right. Like, what is the force that's so intense we just ignore it, let it go. The less people looking in that direction, the better. Literally dissolve this. Have nobody work it. Just say we're maintaining it and never do. Like, what? That's better than having somebody fakely maintain it. Yes. Less people to go look.

Cristina: That is strange. Yes. Who is this third party?

Jack: Who is this third party? I did everything to try to find any information. It was just non existent.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it still. It brings into the question the fact that the kids don't age. Then adds this weird question. Because when we were looking at the girl, the lady and the woman, it looks, based on the timeline in which dimensions happen, that there is at least one person who's actually consistent, even if all the others might actually be other people. There is one person that people have seen more who is the same person and maybe all the others are different. So they see a bunch of little girls all the time, teenage girls, and then this one lady who's aged the entire time. They've continued to see all these young girls. They could. I think they're running experiments on children. And what we're seeing is actually different kids and something extra, extra, extra bad happened to this one person and they're somehow trapped in between areas or something.

Cristina: But you think kids are important in this?

Jack: I think. I mean, we keep seeing these children and the girl and like the girl became more rare as time went by. But I think it's because of the prominence of the woman, not because the girls lessened. I think it's the prominence of the woman. Everybody sees the woman, she's there.

Cristina: And the people that hang out on the beach though, are they children? Do you remember? Yeah. Where she gets the water? There's always like people hanging out there.

Jack: You mean the lake?

Cristina: The lake, yes. There's always people hanging out there that we assume are like maybe different echoes from a certain.

Jack: Yes, it looks like those are actually echoes. Or not even a neck. Yes, yes, it's an echo. They're literally looking through a portal into a different time. Yeah, that's not now. And that's not like now would still Be now regardless of which realm you're in. But then would be then regardless of what realm you're looking in. And he's just literally looking at a different time and those people aren't there. That seems to be the case that there's a lot of like time pockets around the lake, which would also like what happened in the lake that she's also so focused on the lake.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If she's trapped between realms and trying to find a way out. Where the most bubbles exist is where you would be doing the most experiments.

Cristina: I suppose that could be.

Jack: She could be trying to get out or jump into either side. But then, is there an in between frequency you can land in that means that realms would be infinite. If there's an in between space, that means realms are infinite.

Cristina: I don't. I don't know. Because the way they describe the fairy. Using the fairy realm to travel through the shadow realm makes it seem like there is no in between. Like there is, but you can't actually be in the in between.

Jack: Except that is really, really old thinking. Considering we corrected that with how Herme later explained literally being able to just walk in with nothing but thought power. That's very different. How you manipulating reality so much. You could just. I'm here now in L. F. Okay. And that violates what we were reading before. What was other people's interpretation? That they are using it to cut path. And that made it look like satellites. But then eventually we found things that make it look like Earth and shadow are literally just. You boxed off a part of shadow.

Cristina: And called it Earth.

Jack: And it looks kind of like maybe there's some connection there in the same fashion between Elfame and the shadow realm. And in that case, they are physically, literally in Elfame and physically, literally in the shadow realm. When they are moving through those, it would seem that maybe Elfame is smaller somehow. And in return, going to Elfhame could allow you shortcuts, and that would make sense.

Cristina: That would be weird. If it's smaller.

Jack: Well, it's allowing you shortcuts between the other space.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If it was bigger, you'd travel less. But if it's smaller, you do small distances in Elfame and that's greater distances over here.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But at least that's just a way of thinking about it. If that's the case, then yeah, it's a frequency. That means there's an infinite number of different frequencies we could jump into. We're surrounded by infinite numbers of realities, literally. And Hermes, actually anybody. And being able to Just manipulate and cross between them. You are beyond what God could ever conceive of being. Beyond. Like our descriptions of the most powerful, exaggerated gods. Even when we look at the research we've done and ground those gods into reality. People who consume entire stars for energy couldn't f*** with a guy who could go into a reality where that star doesn't exist.

Cristina: There he's the only one that seems to really be able to do that. Because everyone else has, you know, the gates or some kind of gates to be made.

Jack: Even Jesus.

Cristina: Even Jesus, yeah. There are gates in this woods that we haven't found.

Jack: Maybe. But Hermes doesn't seem to require anything. No, like the true deal seems overpowered on some other s***. And the more we look at Hermes and the more we compare information to Hermes, it makes things like Santa Claus look watered down. Because, d***, you overpowered as h***. Santa. Few people could f*** with Santa on a real day. Jehovah, with his best technology, would struggle. But I don't think Santa could spot Hermes if he wanted to.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, I think that's the level of difference. It seems too overwhelmingly exaggerated.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I mean, he can easily go to any reality whenever he wants. An infinite number of different realities. No, nothing is a barrier. Time is an illusion. Place is just a state of mind. What the do you mean, bro? What? This is just how you think and how you move. And the universe works in this way for you?

Cristina: Yeah. That is ridiculous.

Jack: Nuts, Crazy. Crazy. I don't f****** know. But if that's the case, if that's possible, then maybe this lady stuck between realms. I don't know what else she could be doing. I don't know what she could be doing. She's definitely running experiments. I don't know for her, but she looked scared. Or maybe those were other girls. Other girls getting away, getting horrified and being killed by random s*** in the woods. We don't see their bodies and s*** because it's on the other side.

Cristina: There's some type of experimenting going on there.

Jack: It looks like it, bro. And they're running out in gowns. All of them?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Come on, bro. Oh, it's a white dress. Oh, it's nightgown. Oh, it's a raincoat, bro. Let's summarize this way quickly. You're looking at two things and don't know how to describe it. One is a lab coat, and the other one is a medical gown. All of them are those two things. Every description anybody has ever given matches those two things. Who the f*** owns a white raincoat? Back then, when white was harder to make, nobody owned a f****** white raincoat. That's not a raincoat. Anybody who used raincoat to describe this is stupid. I'm sorry. Anybody who was going through these wisdoms. There's a woman in a white raincoat. You have never in your life heard those two words put together. Because nobody f****** owns a white raincoat. There's a lab coat, bro. Come on. And the gown is f******. A medical gown, bro. Medical.

Cristina: But if she's wearing a white something, is she part of the group that we see as KKK's or not? We know they're not really. But the cult members in white.

Jack: No. Because cloaks are very different than gowns. Gowns is you are a patient. Cloaks, you are a wizard. And raincoat your doctor.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The cloak. I don't know how to relate the cloaks to anything.

Jack: That's just weird.

Cristina: That's just weird.

Jack: The raincoat. That's a lab coat. They are almost identical. And to somebody in the middle of the night, that's the same s***. And the nightgown and a medical gown are both called gowns because they are both gowns and are structured almost identically. Except white is in the scenario we're talking about. And blue is common day pass it. The only difference still f****** nightgowns.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The only place it gets a little iffy is when they say dress. And you could easily confuse a dress for a hanging nightgown and a little bit of wind. You know? Easy, simple, logical. I am thinking nightgowns and lab coats. That's what it sounds like. There's too many girls. And it looks like they still get mentioned casually, even if predominantly it's the lady in the rain. Quote, raincoat.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But a bunch of girls in nightgowns? Come on, bro. There's a doctor and a bunch of chicks who were experimented on trying to run away and ask for help. Oh, please save me.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why they're always asking for help. Why they always street side? Please give me a ride. And then they disappear when you get too close. Because they ain't there. But they see you. You see them. And then neither one of you sees each other when you're too close. They ran away from the facility. Presumably the church. Not the church. The castle is probably still functional on the other side.

Cristina: Yes. We have no idea. Yeah. All these places that are in there.

Jack: Probably maintained like a m*********** on the other side.

Cristina: On the other side. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah.

Jack: That's my theory.

Cristina: I don't know, I like that theory.

Jack: Yeah. I couldn't confirm one way or another, but it's pretty heftily leaning in that direction. Yeah. Let's see some of these details here. The when the city of Newark absorbed ownership of the land, they collected the necessary documentation required for evidence to support their cases. This is weird. And destroyed the rest of the documents. Everything else was destroyed. They only used the documents that would support the case of convicting the individuals. And only that. No additional details. And completely removed the rest. These destroyed documents included the information related to the briber because they were unquote unknowing of the specific rules and regulations pertaining to this particular instance. Unquote. And as a result were, quote, unknowing participants. Unquote.

Cristina: The briber were unknowing?

Jack: Yes. According to these documents, they were unknowing participants because they weren't familiar with these specific laws pertaining to the situation. It sounds like you're describing foreigners. Bro.

Cristina: Interesting. Yeah.

Jack: Sounds like you're describing foreigners. Bro. They're doing legal things and didn't know the laws.

Cristina: They didn't know the laws.

Jack: Yeah. They ain't from here. Bro. They just ain't from here is what you're trying to say.

Cristina: Yeah, right.

Jack: They weren't familiar with the laws.

Cristina: Please.

Jack: Bro. And that's why there is no information related to the third party.

Cristina: They destroyed it. They actively destroyed Directors said they don't know.

Jack: Only use what they needed to convict everybody.

Cristina: We don't understand the laws. That's the excuse. That is so crazy.

Jack: The quote is exactly. Where'd it go? Unknowing of the specific rules and regulations pertaining to this particular instance.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: And thus get labeled later as, quote, unknowing participants. Unquote.

Cristina: How's that possible?

Jack: That's a lie. That's legally a lie. This is bullshit.

Cristina: That's just so crazy. That's so crazy.

Jack: The conclusion of the collected information pertaining to this, as far as I see it, is a random undisclosed party gets free access in and out of Clinton Road for unspecified reasons. The watershed members as a result use the extra money to hire their pays. This continues as company culture from leader to leader. Right. Until 2008 when an investigation begins that results in the disbandment and the imprisonment of the members. In 2013, that seems to be what I believe happened. Now looking back at the lady. The lady happens. The cars show up. Cops don't investigate this. The only time somebody went in to investigate was for the satanic things.

Cristina: And they said nothing was found.

Jack: Nothing was found.

Cristina: Because they weren't investigating.

Jack: They weren't investigating or they weren't. And they did find something. And that's why that guy quit. Because they did find something. And it was like, well, you went too far. Now your family is in danger. Quit and say nothing.

Cristina: Yes. That has to be it. That has to. Nothing else makes sense.

Jack: Nothing else makes sense.

Cristina: All of this, it's just.

Jack: You found it. Now quit.

Jack: And if you say anything, well, based on what you saw, you would know what would happen.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You saw it. You personally sent me a message.

Cristina: Yeah. They have no one there.

Jack: There's nobody there. Empty.

Cristina: Very suspicious. So suspicious it's crazy.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What did you find? This is very strange.

Jack: Yeah, very strange. There's no. No literal. It's just like a. I guess it's a summary of my thoughts. It's less of a conclusion.

Cristina: But yeah, but yeah, yeah, something is happening there.

Jack: Something is happening in Clinton Road. Like there's legal forces involved and there's outside third party individuals. There's symmetry with random things. The kkk, the date and the furnace, the lady meeting the boy, the gown, the lab coats. The fact that we found looking identical again. When I found Skywalker Ranch, when I looked at Stonehenge, when I looked here, actually looked here because of what I found over there. I began by looking for distortions. Space time distortions, electrical magnetic distortions. Cold spots that aren't explained by weather.

Cristina: Where their distortions are at. There's so much more.

Jack: Yes, specifically where there is space time distortions of which looking we have weird distortion electrical currents that shouldn't be happening at random time storms that happen shooting times. There's cold spots that happen at random times. There's the holes that show up and go. There's facilities that get seen and disappear. There's people who. And like this fit every suit. Just before I got to everything I just mentioned, just with the anomalies happening in the environment without seeing anything weird.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's enough to look. And then the fact that everything weird is here and then you look at all weird s*** and you start coming across all this.

Cristina: Yes, something is happening there. Something is happening and still happening there.

Jack: It's still happening there to this day. To this day. Still going on. But is the lady in the raincoat the same as the girls? That doesn't seem to be the case now because she keeps getting mentioned. And they get mentioned, even if less so. They still get mentioned. People still see the girls. We've never seen the boy age. No boy got Trapped in some. In between. Maybe she's not trapped in between. Maybe she was one of them and joined the bad guys or the good guys. I don't know what they're doing.

Cristina: Yeah. How could you explain what's going on? Whether it's bad or good.

Jack: Whether it's bad or good. There's just something going on.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now I think she's not the same as the other girls. I think there are multiple females.

Cristina: Poor Kow. It's hard to tell. Because of the clothing.

Jack: Because the fact that there is different sets of clothing and they mention young girls still, even if way less. So you could just assume security got tighter and tighter and tighter and less girls get away.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or they found the other. Maybe if they're phasing girls into the other side. Because a lot of the ancient experiments were ultimately trying to figure out how to cross thresholds easily. Maybe that's what's happening. And all they're doing is sending them over there and then they just can't get them back or send them into some middle ground or something. And then they're stuck asking for help. Or maybe they do. Maybe it works and they just not sure how to reverse it and get back.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're like we're sending them to the shadow Realm. We just don't know how the to get them back out of the shadow world. Maybe these girls aren't jacked up with anything. So they're just on the other side somehow.

Cristina: From experiments.

Jack: Yeah, from some kind of experiment that.

Cristina: Has to do with maybe the cult that's there. The cults? You don't know.

Jack: Whatever Druid activity they see. Because things happen at the f****** council.

Cristina: Is that the next place we're going?

Jack: You ask that every episode. And I've told you there's too much to cover.

Cristina: There's really that much?

Jack: Then again, I was looking at the boy and I found the unrelated furnace. And I didn't even focus on the furnace. Looking at the furnace, I found an entire corruption scheme.

Cristina: That is so crazy.

Jack: Like we're not getting to the castle anytime soon. Or the mines. Both of those are being ignored. Maybe for a year.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: There's too much other crap to look at. And before we look at any of that, we need the biggest picture possible. Because I'm sure there's going to be too much we don't understand.

Cristina: We need context.

Jack: Yeah, we just need context. I'm sure as we go through other things, this over there will inform this over here. But we need that many crossing wires before we get to what's obviously the center, which has to be either castle or the mines. What's weird is we see people coming in and out of mines and no weird mentions of anything else. But the castle has a bunch of weird s*** happening and there's just people kind of lurking around there. The castle seems almost too obvious, while the Mayans seem almost like. You guys don't wanna. I didn't know they were mines.

Cristina: I didn't know they were mines.

Jack: Yeah. Had to look and find that. People have reported weird things in and out of there. And it's like you guys are burying the mine documents.

Cristina: Was there more? Because you said there's more. So, like, the furnace is already a weird one.

Jack: What, like other structures?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, yeah. There's other structures.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Whether they're weird or not really depends on how deep I fall and what I find while looking there. But there's a lot. There are many small structures and things here. Some other houses that aren't random detail. Every inch of the property around Clinton Road belongs to the castle. When the castle was sold, the castle's property was sold. And that is the entirety of everything we know as the forest around Clinton Road.

Cristina: Including the furnace then.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Including the furnace, the lake, everything from all 10 miles of it belonged to the one castle that was all just one land.

Cristina: Okay. Whoa.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What is happening?

Jack: Wasn't even bought for that much money. It was sold for like $30,000 and it was 10 miles worth of land. Was watching a video where dude paid for his first home, which was a five bedroom house, and he only paid $3,000 for it. He paid that in 1940.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: $3,000. Five bedroom family home right now is a little over a quarter of a million.

Cristina: Yeah, well.

Jack: Well, it depends. You could find that same size house and it would be a million, depending where you go. Anyways, unrelated to that bunch of random going on, there's definitely something happening there. We have different individuals that seem to be cohesive individuals. We don't know about this kid. I gotta look more into this kid. I tried to connect the dots and have the kid kind of be a focal point for this episode. There's actually surprisingly little information on that kid. The lady's everywhere.

Cristina: This kid is an actual mystery.

Jack: The kid's an actual mystery. The kid. If we didn't have the lady aging, we would see the girls and be very confused. That's another reason that this tells me that those might be different people. Because the cohesiveness comes together when we have a consistent narrative to follow. Which happens with lady, not with the girls. If we just stop at the girls with the gowns and it's a bunch of isolated situations that don't seem to converge anymore. Yeah, and the language changing over time is part of why we can connect the dots successfully. Without that. No, it's just a girl. It's just at that point it's just an echo. Except they seem to be moving and behaving and reacting. So they're there.

Cristina: And the boy may not be an echo, but we have no more information on him.

Jack: The boy responds at least to the girl. And the girl's not an echo. So by extension the kid's not an echo. But then what's happening with the kid? And why aren't you in a medical gown? That's another interesting question. Okay, why are you fully clothed? Normally the girl's in a gown. You're not anywhere they see you. So all these boys, or this one boy, not the same as a girl. But they have a meeting.

Cristina: But they're somehow related. Yes, at the end of the day, they're somehow related.

Jack: They're somehow communicating. And they always meet in the same place. The only place you ever see them interact happens to be the bridge. Interesting, I didn't think about that. The only place. All the documents say the same thing. Ultimately, they point at when the girl is seen with the boy. It's at the bridge. You can see the boy outside of the bridge. You can see the girl outside of the bridge. You never see the boy and the girl together outside of the bridge. You only see them at the bridge. I would argue this might support the frequency theory, in which at that spot the frequency is so exact she can see him and he can see her.

Cristina: Interesting. So then they might not be the same.

Jack: And they walk away from that spot and they're not even in the same place. They can't see each other, they can't interact. If they both leave that spot, they sort of phase back into their normal frequency.

Cristina: Okay, interesting.

Jack: Alternatively, if that is the case, maybe there's not an in between spot. She aged. She's from this side. He does not look like a gem. He's not from the shadow realm. But that spot is still a convergence point. Maybe that kid's no fame. Elves are described looking like people and Nephilim are described looking like people. Most fairies take on human like characteristics oftentimes young kids and short older men.

Cristina: If he's a fairy, then he's way more important than we think he is.

Jack: And that's also why there's way less information.

Cristina: Okay. Is he running experiments in that furnace?

Jack: I don't think he would be running. I think this is an actual kid. I think by whatever measurements qualify as a child in Elfhame, I think that would be the equivalent. And maybe time works so different that hundreds of years could pass for us, and he will still look like a child.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah. Because we don't know.

Jack: We don't know. But it looks like a convergence point. If we try to rationalize, why is it that they're there together, nowhere else?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Maybe she can't see him anywhere else. Maybe he can't see her anywhere else. That's where they can.

Cristina: Yeah, that sounds right. I don't know.

Jack: Which then means looking at the bridge becomes really important. What's happening there that isn't happening at the castle?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And if this lady's running experiments, why isn't she running it at the bridge? Or is she trying to replicate what's happening at the bridge elsewhere?

Cristina: Oh, I don't know.

Jack: And what's happening at the bridge fits more like the Vikings solution to the problem by making an area that they can visit but they can't normally cross through. Although eventually they created a crossing point. No, no, no. It was just communication and communication. Yeah, once he drank the blood and then. Crossing point. But yeah. So basically, it sounds like that naturally happened here in that very spot. Except it can't cut. So maybe she's trying to replicate that. So she comes, interacts with the kid, talks her friends. Maybe she goes back and how do I make this thing? And then goes to a place that has a bunch of weird s*** like that happening. The lake. Yes, to study. Goes to the kid, talk. That's another spot that's sort of similar, even if different. Could be. I don't know. I don't know. Spitballing.

Cristina: Is she trying to. I don't know if he has anything to do with what she's trying to do.

Jack: Yeah, he could just be somebody from some side who's really just a genuinely innocent kid, likes to come to the area, observe humans or whatever the. Is happening, and she goes there and communicates with them. Maybe they don't even speak the same language, but, you know, they enjoy each other's company or whatever the. Yeah, they know they're not a harm to one another.

Cristina: But did we see her actually talk to the child? Okay, yes.

Jack: They've passed items from one to another.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She will reach out to give a coin. He will put his hand out, receive the coin, throw it. He's just hanging out, playing with coins in the water. The fact that he's always doing it makes him seem like an echo. Yes, but then interacting with this chick who isn't breaks that. It's just a chill spot for him.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know. He seems. He's so strange. I don't know.

Jack: Another random bit. Fairies. Water. Coins tied tightly together. That is a tight, tight f****** mess that happens consistently. Make a wish. Fairy territory. And fairies looking for. You can give a fairy a coin to let you through some area. Like, just weird things like that.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Fairies, coins and water. The lady of the Lake.

Cristina: But he's not that. Or he. If he is, we don't see it. We don't see what's. What she gets from him. If she's getting anything.

Jack: I don't think she's getting anything. I think based on. I don't. I don't know. I don't know. Based on. Solely the public records oftentimes reported the police because they saw something.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It doesn't seem like it. Seems like just platonic, innocent, nice interactions that happen at the spot and nowhere else in the forest.

Cristina: And then he's not really doing anything at the furnace.

Jack: He was just there, wandering. The same way they see her wandering at the castle.

Jack: Almost like he lives there.

Cristina: Okay. Strange. Strange.

Jack: Which again? The fairy lives by the fire. Okay. Checks out. One of those weird, like, well, there's coincidences everywhere kind of s***. Hangs out by the water, lives by the fire. Like, what the f***? I don't. This is a fairy.

Cristina: I don't know. Yeah, could we. I don't know. The service range.

Jack: True Mysteries. True Mysteries. And I would go as far as to say whatever organization comes in and out is the same organization from the shipping dock. Would have to be so close together. Whatever. Or how many crazy shady organizations are trying the same s***.

Cristina: That's true, too. Like, who knows? I don't know.

Jack: That was nowhere near Clinton Road. And like, what the. Could not be more identical. Shady organizations transporting secret things, entering in and out of places. Epstein's Islands. Clearly a f****** farm for adrenochrome.

Cristina: But is this spot. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know, bro. Anyways. Anyways. Any of you guys have any input for any of this information, feel free.

Cristina: So many questions.

Jack: Too many questions. It is absurd. It is ridiculous. So you guys can go online, do your own research, find this. It's really weird. It gets really complicated. Tell me if you guys find out what the h*** Nord was doing involved.

Cristina: In cleaning Are they still doing something?

Jack: No, they still own it. They still own it to this day since 2013. And yeah. So you know, if you find anything interesting, if you want to talk to us about it, you can contact us on our socials at just convo pod that's on tick tock on Facebook, on Twitter AKA X and I said Instagram on all the places. Whatever. Just just convo podworth forever.

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Rambling 248: The Garden of Eden

Who were those closest to Jehovah? How did all these individuals live so long? Which experiments did they conduct? The duo finally deep dive into the research team ‘Garden of Eden’ in order to better understand its members and the core principle of their research and longevity. Although a difficult research project, the fruits of the labor payoff because of a simple revelation made which ultimately answers one big question and asks ten more!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

  • Anthroposophy
  • Jehovah
  • Nahas
  • The Real Age of Lilith
  • Lucifer
  • Creating Physical Bodies
  • Highest Garden Clearance
  • Curing Death
  • The Messenger
  • Artificial Naga

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+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this here right now that you are listening to actively is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. It's our job to do so to ground humanity's most absurd, baffling ideas, period. Bruh.

Cristina: Yes, bro.

Jack: Yes, bruh. As you guys know, blah, blah, blah. Recap. Listen to another episode. Anyways, following all that, blah, blah, blah. Listen to an episode. It can't have anything recently. If you're just tuning in, bruh, we've been talking about kind of secret knowledge, I suppose, pieced together by the slightest bits of anything left behind that wasn't suppressed by the Catholic Church, ultimately turning out the fact that the f****** Catholic Church was actually the good guys the whole f****** time and they were suppressing s*** because of darker s***.

Cristina: Well, saying anyone's a good guy is kind of a stretch.

Jack: Fair, fair. There is worse s***, but that doesn't mean they're the good guys, because we.

Cristina: Don'T really know what's anyone's intentions.

Jack: Yeah, their intention could be to take over the universe.

Cristina: No idea. No one's. No, we have no idea who anyone's goal is really, or why. Like, we have an idea of what they're trying to do, but why is anyone trying to.

Jack: Yeah, we straight up have no clue. We straight up have no clue what the motivation behind any of the. What, the sea people, the Egyptians, the Earth. What is it the. The sea people known as. Well, the sea people are Elysium. Now that we've established, regardless of whether they are in the Persian Gulf oasis or in Atlantis. Well, Atlantis is not the Persian Gulf oasis, in the palace of Alcaraz or in the Atlantic Ocean. In Atlantis, the sea people are just a title given by the Greeks and a couple of people referring to them, but their name is the Elysians. Okay, established. A lot of what's happening revolves around the Elysians because they seem to be the furthest up in the totem pole and the first to get to the thing that a lot of others are trying to more or less get to. So because they're the highest up in the discussion of all the others, they're the information that comes across. Although the. The most buried of all of it. The most. It shows up in most places, even if a single line. It shows up everywhere on earth about them. About them. While other places might have a lot of advancement, but it's not really as advanced. And so they're mentioned more. It looks like the further up you got, the less you are mentioned because you also succeeded more in erasing yourself. So in recent weeks, we have discussed the Earth gods, which are the Mayan elite researchers. We've discussed the Sun Gods, which are the Egyptian elite researchers. We've discussed the Naga, which was an enlightening venture. And like I said before we jumped into the night, we're going to be focusing on a lot of individual groups, which is how we did. Which is why we did the Sun Gods and why we did the Earth Gods and why we did the Naga. And we're going to continue. And the Greeks, the Greek? Well, we didn't actually. Oh, well, did we discuss the Greek? No, we were talking about Naga and stumbled upon.

Cristina: I feel like it was so much of the Greeks and how they're related to this whole thing.

Jack: No, we were going. It was episode two of the Naga, really.

Cristina: Oh, okay. I guess they were the center because there's so much you found out about them specifically.

Jack: It was specifically about Glyconic.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Which answered a lot of questions. But following that, in fact, it's all right here, considering I've been, like, building it all up. I know we have. Really, what we were discussing, that were the two important bits, was we were very curious as to why Ophiomorphos, the Naga created by Yaldabaoth, was created by Yaldabaoth in the first place. And we found out that that's a pattern because Glykon himself and Kido Keto created Medusa and her sisters, and Glycon turned himself into a sort of the closest replica, even something an actual Naga couldn't accomplish. Somehow, with the help of that Naga and other scientists, Glykon became Glykon. And so there was a lot of focus on that discussion. But keeping intact with what we've been doing and focusing on individual groups, something interesting popped up. Now, I was looking into all the Shadow People we know, all the Djinn and other creatures that aren't Jinn but are from the Shadow Realm, like Sizen, who's not necessarily a Djinn.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Right. So just looking at all the Shadow People we know, and that episode's coming, I'm gonna have. We're gonna talk about all those details. But in doing so, a couple of interesting things came up and directed me completely away from the Djinn and completely away from the Shadow Realm, back to Earth Realm. So before we jump into that there's an interesting thing to discuss briefly. It's just a word. It's called Anthroposophy. And Anthroposophy is a new day name, a current age name. This was developed in the 20th century by a man named Rudolph Stainer. And it is the study of the shadow realm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This was invented and is a true area of philosophy and thought about how to investigate the shadow realm. Thank you, Rudolph Steiner. We are way ahead of you, bro. But there are normal everyday people who don't have the profession that we do working for the elites like we do. They are slowly catching up.

Cristina: Did you check out what he researched?

Jack: We're going to eventually. Okay, that's not the point. I just wanted to mention that there are people diving in, okay? There are people who are gonna eventually get where we are, maybe many, many years in the future. We have advanced technologies and whatever to allow us to do our job well. Anyways, because of deep diving into individual groups and the things that doing so leads to, I have inadvertently stumbled upon a couple of interesting things. So just like talking about the Naga, specifically the Naga. Just like talking about specifically the Earth Gods, just like talking about specifically the Sun Gods, we have today one important deep dive that didn't seem relevant. But as I go through it, you're gonna notice why it is because we didn't actually know a lot of these questions, a lot of not questions. We didn't know a lot of these individuals. We knew that there had to be more. We just didn't know who they were. And luckily I learned a day. So today we are gonna look into the Garden of Eden's research team.

Cristina: Okay, you found stuff on that?

Jack: I found stuff on the Garden of Eden research team.

Cristina: Is the Garden. Do you know the location? Is it where we think it is as well?

Jack: The Garden of Eden is a research team besides.

Cristina: Yeah, but they're hanging out in one area.

Jack: They were previously in the Persian Gulf oasis and then they are in Atlantis.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: So wherever their civilization is, seems to be where they collect. Where they are most protected and hidden from everybody else. It is very important to remember the Garden is not a place that is.

Cristina: The name of the group hangs out.

Jack: It's just the name of the group. It's a lab. Any lab they can get their research into is their lab. The lab is not called the Garden. They are called the Garden.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: The team, the group of people is called the Garden.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: So let us begin at the top and work our way to very unpredictable places. I warn you, ahead of time. This is definitely going to answer questions we didn't know we we needed to ask, answer questions we had and we forgot about and enlighten areas that have been foggy. Let us begin with Jehovah, the Big Kahuna.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He's one of the members of the Garden of Eden, because that's the conversation. He is an Earthrealmer, an Elysian, AKA a sea person. He is, as far as we know, the highest authority of Elysian, which would seem to be consistent with the highest authority in Egypt being the head researcher and the highest authority in Maya being the head researcher, that is Ra and it's Amna respectively. He is direct ancestor to Eloi, who was presumably the first Earth Realm or contacted by a Shadow Realm individual directly.

Cristina: Great. Is it?

Jack: And not just a any Shadow Realmer, but rather the creator of Earthrealm.

Cristina: Very sus.

Jack: He is Garden of Eden's team leader. Not just the leader of the Elysians personally ventured into the Shadow realms somewhere between 10,000 BC and 13,000 BC to acquire one of each fruit. He went to the Forest of Shadows, retrieved one of each. He's responsible for advancing the technology of the Elysians so rapidly and in such a short time that they've achieved the magnificent levels of tech that they have. He is the founder of the Jesus Experiment, which was about inseminating Mary and half the genetic makeup of Jesus Christ. We weren't thinking about who the other half was. And we know that the stones were used as well as the fruits, but we didn't consider the fact that this lady was impregnated and like. Yeah. So looking into it, it seems that basically her genetic material still required a male's genetic material. It wasn't Joseph, he was a Magi. He's not allowed to procreate. It was Jehovah who submitted his genetic material with a random other Elysian.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Thus creating Jesus Christ.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: With the power of the stones, both stones and three fruits.

Cristina: Magic.

Jack: Magic. Next we have Nahas. Nahas is one of the original members of the Garden of Eden. Just like Jehovah, he is the Naga assigned to Jehovah. His appearance is that of a 2 foot ish, more or less serpent with arms and legs. He is the second in command of the Garden of Eden. Unlike in Egypt where Ra and Atum are 1 and 2 and then their Nagas are 3 and 4. Here it's Jehovah followed by his Naga, which is more like in Maya where it's Izamna. And then instantaneously after Zamna is Ixchel, who's a shadow person. And then comes Szent, who's also a shadow person. So the order of structure doesn't really matter. It's whoever has the most authority, whoever has the most knowledge and power. So that makes perfect sense. So he's an Aga assigned to Jehovah. His appearance is that of a two foot snake with arms and legs. Yeah. And he is the second in command of the Garden of Eden. Meaning anybody below him responds to him. Responsible personally for assisting in the development of the technology that assists the sea people, the Elysians, and makes them particularly overpowered as compared to the rest of the world. And personally assisted in the Jesus Christ experiment along with Jehovah. Let us begin spiraling out ever so slightly. The fourth in command. There's a reason I'm doing it in this order. The fourth in command of the Garden of Eden is Lilith.

Cristina: How do you know?

Jack: Based on the structure that they lay out in all the work. She is a Shadow Realm native. So she's a Djinn member of the Garden of Eden research team along with Mahas and Jehovah. As One of the four original members, she is the first person to use a Philosopher's Stone. Specifically the Adam one within EarthRealm 150,000 years ago.

Cristina: And you made a bunch of shadow.

Jack: People, went against orders and used Adam ahead of schedule and without permission. When clearance restrictions were applied, she quit and left the Garden of Eden research team. Fellow researcher Samael left the research team with Lilith as they had fallen in love. We'll revisit that man very soon.

Cristina: Okay. He's number three.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Third in command in the Garden of Eden. Now we're gonna get to some fun stuff. Lucifer.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: A Shadow Realm native.

Cristina: Another one.

Jack: Another one. We have found the second person in the Shadow Realm who's in the Elysian Garden of Eden research team. Now the pattern is more consistent. I'll tell you something ahead of time. I did not find a second serpent. That I think is extremely weird considering.

Cristina: That it's most teams have to.

Jack: All the major teams. There's three major teams and each one has one of those. They have one that came from the Shadow Realm, an individual from the Shadow Realm with the serpent, and an individual from earthrealm was a serpent. And usually have at least two Shadow Realm individuals in the team.

Cristina: If this team split up, most likely that shadow. No. Then the Naga left with the people that left with. What's her name?

Jack: With Lilith.

Cristina: With Lilith. Yeah.

Jack: Well, Lilith doesn't have A serpent?

Cristina: Well, yeah, it probably isn't her serpent.

Jack: But it's probably right now we're talking about before the team splits up.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I found everybody in the team.

Cristina: Oh, okay, cool.

Jack: There wasn't a serpent. There's Nahas. And I did not find another serpent. Unless it's a case like Glycon, the serpent made.

Cristina: Yeah, that one's weird. That doesn't really count.

Jack: Well, in the case like Glycon, it's really. Yeah, that's made. So there's not like a second natural serpent. Where is the second natural serpent? Why are you guys so overpowered? If there's people with more magic in their team than you guys have, why are you guys ahead? They're two teams. They have twice as much magic as part of their team than you. Why are you the head of it? They're supposed to help. And they come from the most overpowered, most advanced place that exists yet. You guys are ahead. Weird questions for days. All right, all right, all right. So get ready for the things I'm about to tell you. I'm ready because this is gonna get weird, bro. Now we're gonna get weird. And this isn't even as weird as it's gonna get.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's pretty weird, though. So. Third in command of the Garden of Eden, Shadow Realm native. Let us type in. Formerly the primary research directly on the Fruit of Knowledge. He was the primary researcher for that. His entire division of researchers were focused on the Fruit of Knowledge. That was their focus 20,000 years ago. Lucifer learned how to trap Shadow Realm natives in physical bodies identical to that of earthrealmers, allowing Shadow Realm natives to enhance themselves with the use of adrenochrome, which is something only earthrealmers can use. Shadow Realmrs used fear to cross. Earthrealmers use adrenochrome to cross. Lucifer learned, using Shadow Realm science, how to create artificial bodies identical to Earth Realm bodies. For Shadow Realm creatures who are not physical beings, he learned how to become physical.

Cristina: But these bodies are made of bodies.

Jack: They're bodies. They're bodies. They're real bodies. Unlike a Wetchaj, who's ghostly. Windingo, who's ghostly. The Djinn, who are ghostly. They're not physical. They're ethereal. By definition, they're all ethereal. He learned how to trap an ethereal being in a physical body as though there is ethereal existence. Was the soul.

Cristina: What? But this isn't like possession or anything. This is some other thing.

Jack: No, this is some other thing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Some other thing. A thousand percent.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it Makes them capable of enhancing themselves with adrenochrome. So Shadow Realm people who already have Shadow Realm abilities and then have the added ability to use adrenochrome.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Okay, fascinating.

Cristina: They're using adrenochrome makes them capable of using adrenochrome.

Jack: And it also makes them capable of actually eating fairy fruits and getting their abilities. Because people in the Shadow Realm can eat the fairy fruits but just take nourishment from them. They cannot get abilities from the fairy fruits. It's only. I did not know this part. The fruits only affect earthrealm natives. You have to be an Earthremer to be affected by the fairy fruit. You cannot eat the fairy fruit as part of. You can't just be a shadow person, eat the fairy fruit and get anything from it.

Cristina: Be a shadow person who gets body.

Jack: You could be a shadow person who gets a physical body and then consumes a fruit and then has the same effect that would happen to a Earthling.

Cristina: What?

Jack: So he basically made perfect humans? Or not humans, but Earthlings. He can make perfect earthlings. He figured that out? Yeah, with nothing but science. Meaning Yaldabaoth is not the only one who figured that out.

Cristina: Figured that out too.

Jack: Yaldabaoth created this realm?

Cristina: Oh, yes, yes. But we're not Shadow Realm spirits.

Jack: No, he figured out how to make a physical body and put himself into it, which technically Yaldabaoth didn't even figure out. Okay, so fair enough. I see where you come from. So that's already the first crazy thing. Second, using the. Using the genetics of Elysian and fellow researcher Samael, he managed to give himself a physical body which was identical to Samael's.

Cristina: Identical? Why would he make it identical, though?

Jack: I think. I don't. I don't know. I think it has to be. He used the genetics of Samael to make it. And the body looks identical to Samael. I think the body is going to look identical to the genetic host.

Cristina: Okay, so this.

Jack: It's like a cloned body, essentially. That can.

Cristina: Yeah. So, like, for anyone that does this, any Shadow Realm person has to look like an actual. Like a.

Jack: Like somebody who already exists. Which would then the argument be. Is this what we confuse for possession? The person who has been cloned and then this. It's a vessel with no soul.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then gets filled out by a Shadow Realm. Ethereal being is not the same. That person is somewhere.

Cristina: What do you think happened to that person, though?

Jack: I don't know. Well, the body had to be made, which suggests that body is somewhere in the Shadow Realm, where it could have been cloned. Some person gets snatched.

Cristina: Yeah, I mean, they do need that adrenochrome and blood, I guess, from that person.

Jack: They don't need the adrenochrome from the person. They need DNA in order to recreate the body.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The adrenochrome is just a benefit of having a human body.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So essentially, they take the Adri. They, not the adrenal. They take the DNA, clone the body. The body has no soul. They can fill out that soulless body with their own ethereal existence and now control it like they are that individual.

Cristina: That's crazy. So then they might be the demons that we see. Or not demons, but people who are possessed.

Jack: It would just. Yeah, exactly. That person is somewhere freaking the f*** out, trapped and unable to escape. So there's that.

Cristina: So he looks just like.

Jack: He looks identical to Samael. When Jesus became a disturbance to the secrets and the research of the Elysians, Lucifer is actually the one who devised the plan that involved the crucifixion. Unknowing that Jesus, he's still part of.

Cristina: The team then, right? He's not one of the abandoned ones.

Jack: No, no.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And he was unknowing that Jesus had already established a way back if he were to die.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So this was unknown to the Elysians. Specifically the people who needed to know it was unknown to the Garden of Eden. They did not know that Jesus had already built his plan B. Yeah. So Jesus is kind of ahead of everybody. We're over here really thinking it's the Garden of Eden as the top, top, top, top, top. Yeah, but Jesus single handedly is s******* on these guys.

Cristina: Yes, because we thought maybe he was interested in going back or something. Because they're. Maybe they're hiding from him. But maybe that's not the case at all. He doesn't care where they're at.

Jack: Care? He's too op. Yeah, he knows too much without even. He doesn't even know where the f*** they are. And he's way ahead alone.

Cristina: Yeah, they may. Their job is to get rid of him. Yeah, but they still have to hide because they're trying.

Jack: No, he's an unstoppable force.

Cristina: They know he knows.

Jack: Like, yeah, it looks like he might be the real problem at this point.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, legitimately, he might just be like, if you get in my way, I'm just get rid of you. Yeah, well, Lucifer, this is where a lot is about to start making sense. Lucifer was actually an advocate for the sharing of technology with as many civilizations as possible to assist in moving science forward at an increasingly faster rate across the world. The more people that know, the more people, the more minds we can put on the same topics and subjects and research the best of those we can move together.

Cristina: So do you think he picked the specific groups of people that they would partner up with?

Jack: So this includes having reached out to the Egyptian civilization and the Mayan civilization and several attempts to assist other civilizations that advanced too quickly and as a result self destructed. Those were all his thing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Including the civilizations that completely fell apart that were along the old equator.

Cristina: No, he was trying to get them involved.

Jack: He was trying to involve. So the argument was really. Which I believe is one of the following lines. This includes civilizations across the old equator, which were the first to be reached out to later. Focusing on only the most advanced civilizations instead of all the civilizations. He wanted to share it with all civilizations. Take even the people who are primitive and let's force them to quickly evolve. And those civilizations collapsed. Those are the ones that are abandoned across the old equator because he was trying to give it to everybody. Hey, look, there's people everywhere. We can get these people, all of them, to partake in this thing. But they had not matured enough to use these things properly. So first they're excited, then they work together, but immediately devolve into their most primitive instincts and collapse.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: So then the directive became to work with only the most advanced civilizations who've matured enough to deal with advancement, which.

Cristina: Is the top two.

Jack: Which is later focusing on the most advanced civilizations of all civilizations, which Lucifer did not like, but coped with because his. His personal attempts at enlightening everybody was.

Cristina: That hard did not work.

Jack: It was falling apart. It was essentially his fault entire civilizations went extinct. He chose people who were not ready. That's on him. When the rest of the research team and the sea people, all the Elysians in general, suggested no longer sharing technologies with civilizations other than the established relationships. Prior to the move from the Persian Gulf oasis to the Atlantic Ocean, Jehovah and Lucifer had a crazy argument where they completely disagreed. In Jehovah is on the side of we're no. And as a leader, he has the final say. We are not sharing this with anybody else.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: That is done. The people we've established connections with are good. That's who we're dealing with. No one else. Lucifer disagrees. And he thinks the rest of the world is going to be left in darkness and abandoned and left behind this crazy Argument happens, resulting in Lucifer quitting the research team. Although still maintaining his physical form, established through Samael's body, he returns to the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Oh, I thought he helps them with Jesus. Is that after that?

Jack: Probably already happened, considering they're leaving. They're deciding to suppress and hide themselves. That's around the Jesus time. Presumably, he helped with Jesus. Okay, all right. Now those are the obvious people within the team. Let's dive into the less obvious people within the team. Michael, an earthrealmer, an Elysian. He is a military general and Garden of Eden research team member and tactical expert, referred to as the angel of War. Originally joined the team in order to offer his wealth of knowledge and tactical expertise. Grew to be one of Jehovah's closest and most reliable friends.

Cristina: Really? Okay.

Jack: Once Lucifer left the team, Michael was promoted the third in command and was placed in charge of security detail for all of the Elysians in their old home and their new home to come. He is also responsible for personally for forcefully removing Lucifer from the facilities when he attempted to steal the Fruit of Knowledge research and take it with him.

Cristina: Why? He could just. I guess he could just restart in the Shadow Realm once he was there though.

Jack: Yeah, but he already did a s*** ton of research with quite advanced technology and that was his research. That was his research, bro.

Cristina: His research.

Jack: That was his work.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they're like, nah, that's complicated. That's complicated. If it's something like Abraxas who hears some background noise and you're over here trying to steal all the research, you're an a******. This is Lucifer's research.

Cristina: And they're like.

Jack: They're like, no, that's messed up, dude. He got ice out of a company he works at. That's basically what happened.

Cristina: Just because they did it, he didn't agree.

Jack: He got Steve jobbed. You know, the board is like, nah, get out.

Cristina: But it seemed like everyone was behind. It wasn't just the research, it was the whole community. We're like, we don't want to share this with everyone.

Jack: I guess it really came down to the orders of Jehovah. Jehovah was really the individual in charge of all of this. So, like, I don't know if everybody else was involved. Additionally, random other fact, Michael is the brother to Azrael, which is the thanatologist and geneticist of the team.

Cristina: The what?

Jack: The thanatologist and geneticist.

Cristina: And what is the Thanatosis?

Jack: Well, I will tell you. Asriel, EarthRealmer and Elysian. Asriel is the Thanatologist and geneticist, referred to as the angel of Death. Thanatologist is an individual that specializes in studying death, the effects of death, what is lost in death, what happens in death, the psychology, the neurology. They specialize on all things related to death. Responsible for curing the disease of natural death. Amongst Elysians. The reason that they do not die and it is the same people for an absurd amount of time, is because they no longer have natural death. Another reason that they must hide for long periods of time because continues to study with the Garden of Eden as a primary researcher into the Fruit of life. She is the primary researcher of the Fruit of Life in an attempt to solve death from all illness and incapacitations. They can still be killed. So it is important that they don't go anywhere that they could be killed. Hiding is important if you want to continue your research with your sane people.

Cristina: But they can still pretty much survive anything.

Jack: They'll survive anything. They have the technology. But if something advanced enough showed up and decided, I'm a f*** you up and they weren't ready, they could probably be killed.

Cristina: Jesus.

Jack: So that's Azrael, the sister of Michael.

Cristina: That's his sister. Okay.

Jack: Thanatologist and geneticist of a military general named Michael. Now this is fascinating because again, it explains how the h*** these people have lived so long. But also it looks like without the existence of Azrael, Eloi, AKA L, has still been around a f****** infinity. That dude was around millions of years. What the h*** is that about?

Cristina: He ate a fruit. I don't know. Who's the one that was shown into the shadow realm first?

Jack: He was told about it by.

Cristina: But he never went.

Jack: Well, he actually went with Susan.

Cristina: Yes. Come on. I think. Yes, but no.

Jack: That was still such a long time before anything. He was around really long before that happened.

Cristina: But they knew where the Garden was.

Jack: What does that have to do with how long he lived before even witnessing the existence of the fruits? How the h***. There's a huge. Eloi is the most baffling of all of these people.

Cristina: Or maybe it's not the same person. Maybe it's like his ancestor. They name the. You know, the child family name.

Jack: Yeah, I mean, it could be. I don't know, man.

Cristina: And they all know the story, so it's not really crazy or anything.

Jack: When this happens, Susan doesn't state anything weird.

Cristina: But about the shadow realm, they're not freaked out about it.

Jack: But there's nothing being stated like this isn't the same guy, the ancestor of Eloi named Eloi? Yeah, as far as we know, it's the same freaking guy, man.

Cristina: How is that possible?

Jack: How is that possible? There's something we're not understanding about Eloi because it seems like the Elysians did, in fact require scientific development in order to cure death. So then how the. Like, how the h*** was Eloy around so freaking long?

Cristina: Dude, he was drinking adrenochrome or something.

Jack: That'd be crazy. That was around. It could have been the case. Could have totally been the case. I don't freaking know. But, like, questionable.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Next team member, Raphael, Earth Realmer, delician, secondary researcher on the Fruit of Life, right behind Azrael. Elysian's highest ranking medical professional, though a physiologist, medical doctor and pharmacist. Which means between Raphael and Azrael, together they solved death. Death. Prior to the Elysians becoming private with their civilization and technology, he was famously traveling the Middle east providing medical aid and medical support across the Mediterranean region and all of Persia.

Cristina: They knew about him.

Jack: They knew about him. He was everywhere. He was traveling everywhere helping people. He was a sea person on the ground.

Cristina: The sea people didn't have a problem.

Jack: They did not. Because that was still at the time. It's prior to them being private. He was just traveling. It was prior to their privacy. So he was just out there. Everybody knew about them, okay? Everybody knew about the sea people. There were the suit. They were proud. They were proud about who the f*** they were. Next. Gabriel. Earthrealmer, Elysian ambassador and direct assistant to Jehovah, messenger of the Garden of Eden to the rest of the Elysians, and trader between the Garden of Eden, the sun gods, and the Earth gods. This is the literal individual who travels from place to place when something is done. This is the one who risks losing their life or being caught outside in order to deliver the messages and transport the technology required from one place to another.

Cristina: That would be horrifying. Stabbed. Jesus. Probably watching out for him.

Jack: Could 100%. Could totally be. Everybody else is hiding. Everybody's gonna f*** this s***. We're all gonna do our thing. This is the individual traveling. Now, this is an interesting detail that gets mentioned here because it brings up the fact that after they've become private, this is still the communication individual, but after they've become private, the Mayans have disappeared and the Egyptians have disappeared, and still Gabriel is the messenger. Which means there is, in fact, in Atlantis, a connection to wherever the new location of the Egyptians are and the new location of the Mayans are all Three places are still connected, but exclusively to one another. There's no other way to access any of them. But there's ways to access each other.

Cristina: Yes, but he could be like using technology to communicate with them.

Jack: I think they've got portals in these places. I'm pretty sure there's a portal in Atlantis that takes them into the Great Void. And there's a portal in Atlantis that goes into the underground catacomb facility with the storage systems for energy and data that the Mayans have. And the same in theory would apply between the Egyptians and the Mayans. Where the Mayans have a portal from their catacombs to the Great Void and to Atlantis. And the Egyptians have a portal from the Great Void to Atlantis and to the catacombs. This tells us they are all still connected. Even if we can't access them. They can access one another regardless of where the f*** they might be. And we're pretty sure two of them are still on Earth and one of them is somewhere way the f*** out there. But they're still capable of doing their thing.

Cristina: Yeah, well they can't know about Jesus then, right? The Mayans and the Egyptians, if they're.

Jack: Still in communication with the Elysians, yes, they know. They've been informed. Oh, they're not just going to be like we're not telling you. No, they've probably shared every bit of knowledge. Always.

Cristina: Okay, because what did Jesus find them? They're underground. They might not be impossible to get to.

Jack: I'm sure they're pretty difficult to get to. On the flip side, we don't personally know. They could have been destroyed by Jesus a long time ago.

Cristina: We have no idea.

Jack: And we have no idea. We have no clue. And they're all just dead. Jesus single handedly death starred the out of them. Or like Starkiller just went there single handedly Bloodshed everywhere. And they're trying to figure it out. They're super advanced mega ultra weapons throughout here. Shooting him, laser weaponing him down. He's just eating it. Grabbing people by the neck, crushing their skulls like nothing.

Cristina: What would that mean? With their teleporters.

Jack: Then he went to all the places and extinct all of them and everything has failed. Yeah. So I'm assuming they're just fine. Yeah, I'm assuming that they're perfectly okay.

Cristina: I don't think they have a teleporter because I feel like if he just they.

Jack: Because this just established the fact that he's directly. Not just the communicator and messenger, but the trader, he trades between them. If it was just messages, then he's. He could do Morse code for all we care. But no, he's with them, exchanging data and tools and items and notebooks of data. That is the fact of the matter. So they are somehow reaching each other. Okay, that's happening. Gabriel is accessing the Egyptians and the Maya. Additionally, this tells us a lot too. Again, this is him putting himself in danger. He is the primary connection to the Greeks. He's who shows up in Mount Athos. He's the guy. It's Gabriel.

Cristina: He shows up everywhere.

Jack: Nobody else. He's the dude who's in charge of all of us making rounds from one place to another. And because the Greek are way behind. Or so we thought. But now it explains why they have a. They don't trust the Greek. No, but they still know. Now it makes more sense because it didn't before. Like, why are you guys trading with these wack a** people? What do they have that you need?

Cristina: Until we found out.

Jack: Until we find out that they actually do have pretty advanced technology. Although they don't like the Greek. This actually f****** all of it pieces together a lot of s*** we didn't think about before because I was always suspicious. Like, it doesn't make sense. Are you just helping them to not be a*******?

Cristina: That doesn't make sense because there's so.

Jack: Many people they're ignoring. There's so many people, they're just like, die. Who cares why these people you particularly don't like? Yeah, except now we get it after last episode, where we discover with Glycon, there's real sciences that these people have developed that they themselves don't have.

Cristina: Crazy. Yes, they have Freaking. What are they called?

Jack: Naga.

Cristina: Nagas.

Jack: You've learned how to turn a person into a Naga? That's absurd. Right? And like, okay, now it makes sense why they might not be in the loop of the three, but we can't. We can't ignore them either. Yeah, there's a problem there that could become a problem to us. So let's play nice. Even if we don't like them, we say treaty. Even if not, partnership. Additionally, he is the sole communicator between the Garden of Eden and Mary, Joseph and the three Magi. When they are moving from one place to another, that means this individual is using their technology, popping out while an entire civilization is moving from one place to another.

Cristina: I feel like it would be an easier job if he was a Shadow Realm person. He's not though, right?

Jack: They got portals.

Cristina: I know.

Jack: Although as far as we know it seems like the portal has to be established somewhere.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So I don't know how. He must be making genuine trips between one place and another. Making his life the most. He has no other job, I guess so. It's like.

Cristina: It would just be easier if he was a Shadow Room person, I feel like.

Jack: But he's not.

Cristina: But he's not.

Jack: But he's not.

Cristina: Well, we don't know if he's become one. Like, can you become one?

Jack: It doesn't seem we've seen anything that could turn somebody into a Shadow Realm individual. Next is Uriel. Uriel is an Earthrealmer, another Elysian. By the way, we found a crap ton of Elysians for this episode. He is the head of security and the most trusted officer of Michael. In charge of guarding the entrance to the Garden of Eden's research facilities. Using highly advanced technology and known for being as ruthless as Shadow Realm creatures. Are the trespassers just a violent, monstrous individual who's employed by the team. You protect us at all costs. There are. I don't have any other stories written right here, but there are so many stories of this guy being quite gruesome, you would think he's a demon.

Cristina: He's not drinking blood or anything.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no.

Cristina: Just murder.

Jack: Murder. Beheadings, gut ripping, limb ripping. Slow. Like old school, Old Testament, Jehovah, cruelty level types of s***.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This guy was in. In. He's like, I'm down. What? Like they hired a psychopath. And he's like, you're gonna. You guys are okay with me doing this? And they're like, yeah, yeah, we want you to do this. He's like, wow, I feel like I belong now. And then goes ahead and just rips heads off of things 1% of his size and smiles while doing it. That kind of. He's that guy. Now let us dive in to something important that matters a lot.

Cristina: What's that?

Jack: Samael. Finally, an earthrealmer. An Elysian. Now, keep in mind, we heard he fell in love with Lilith, which means Lilith fell in love with an Elysian. Second ranking researcher into the Fruit of Knowledge, right behind Lucifer.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Okay, interesting. Botanist and Earth science specialist. Smart guy. Discovered how to plant seeds of the Fruit of Knowledge into earthrealm soil and grow the tree.

Cristina: He grew the fairy trees.

Jack: He learned how. No, no, no, no. He learned how to grow a fairy tree on earthrealm soil. The fairy tree's fruits aren't fruits on our end. They're only fruits in the Shadow Realm. Oh.

Cristina: But his have.

Jack: His were inverted. He learned how to make the fruit grow on the earthrealm side. What a powerful mind.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This is a skilled individual who has essentially broken the matrix. As far as we know.

Cristina: How do you even do something like that?

Jack: Through botany. We're not going to discuss botany on the show. But through botany, through plant growing, watering, and that's not stuff.

Cristina: There's way more to it.

Jack: Of course. It's science is responsible for growing the first successful fairy tree with branches in EarthRealm.

Cristina: Bruh.

Jack: As opposed to the roots. What we see as trees are just the roots. Yeah.

Cristina: That are still very protected though.

Jack: That are still very protected. Is the DNA donor for Lucifer's body transmutation later. And this is where s***'s about to be really complicated because the implications are false. Nuts. Later use Lucifer's body transmutation technology and samples of Nahas.

Cristina: What?

Jack: David, I just talked about Nahas earlier. Keep forgetting who Nahas is. Pay attention. Be involved. Nahas is Jehovah Serpent. Later used Lucifer's body transmutation technology and samples of Naha's physiology to alter himself into an artificial Naga.

Cristina: Of course. Of course. It's not shocking.

Jack: Had the ability to take the form of a serpent at will. Following the procedure, abandoned the garden to follow Lilith after falling in love with her. And she left. And most importantly, went to the Shadow Realm with her. I did not find this in any of her material. She left the group. Lucifer clearly stated went back to the Shadow Realm. Nowhere did it state Lilith went to the Shadow Realm. But when you look at Samael, he goes to the Shadow Realm with her. So she also went to the Shadow Realm. Fascinating. Now let's unpack Samael real quick.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Lucifer looks like Samael. Samael can become a serpent. Lucifer argued in case of sharing knowledge. Samael and Lucifer were both involved with the Fruit of Knowledge. Samael was directly involved with Lilith. If we look at the old narrative in where there is a serpent who tempts Adam and Eve, the serpent is Samael.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Not Nahas. Nahas does whatever the f*** Jehovah wants.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's no reason he would. Lucifer does whatever Jehovah wants. There's no reason he would. Although Lucifer is in fact trying to give the world enlightenment.

Cristina: Exactly. So the Bringer of Light together to do that?

Jack: Well, no, because this is still all part of the research world.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The one who plants and grows the Tree of Knowledge is Samael. And then Samael goes out of his way. I'm thinking Samael gave the Fruit of Knowledge as an experiment to some primitive culture. On the flip side, it is completely possible that Lucifer was on board with that. You grew the fruit on our side. Let's grab it, give it to people and see what happens.

Cristina: Ah, yes. Huh? Maybe. And maybe it didn't. It failed. And so that's when.

Jack: That's why he wanted to give it. The primitive cultures, we give them Fruit of Knowledge, they get enlightenment, but they grow quickly. We give them our technology, they will evolve quickly. But then those collapse. Those experiments failed. Entire civilizations lost. What were you thinking?

Cristina: I keep forgetting her name. I keep thinking of Eve. But Lilith. She gets involved, too, though, because she makes her own. But why is she making her own?

Jack: If we think of the way the.

Cristina: Research works, in that same research.

Jack: Yeah. No, if we think of the way the research works, she uses the Philosopher Stone, Adam, then Samael, who managed to grow fresh fruit, provides those primitive creatures with the Fruit of Life. Actually, the Fruit of Knowledge. My apologies. The Fruit of Knowledge in an attempt to create the next intelligent breed.

Cristina: Yep, that's. That sounds right. Then they all get kicked out to the Shadow Realm. I guess. I don't know.

Jack: Now, this is where I have a big, big problem, because there's a huge discrepancy here that I know you did not notice. Lilith used Adam 150,000 years ago. Eloi is who was around 150,000 years ago, not Jehovah. What do you see the problem?

Cristina: I don't understand the problem.

Jack: I don't understand the problem either. My question is, is she's a shadow person. We know she's not gonna age normally, or maybe they don't age at all. I'm not entirely sure how that works.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Is she older than Lucifer? Has she been involved in this longer than Lucifer? If not, or if so. Regardless of what the answer to that question is, is she the first or in the first research team which involved Sizen, Lilith, Sizen and Eloi?

Cristina: Okay, so she didn't betray the. What's his name?

Jack: Loi.

Cristina: Oh, she did, But. So there was a first.

Jack: I don't know if there was. I know. He was definitely working on some s***.

Cristina: Yeah. This timeline, it's ridiculous. It's so long.

Jack: Yes. She stretches from 150,000 years ago to 10,000 years ago. That's four. That's 140,000 years of her just being around, as far as we know, to put this into perspective. And I. I guess I didn't think about this before, but I guess it makes sense. Lilith has literally been around since before the Eve stone. Which I guess makes sense according to all the literature. Yes, I guess. But that. The fact that that just got reinforced makes it more of a problem. Because I was thinking maybe I'm wrong and the state is. I'm missing some piece of. But no, I guess that technically falls in line with all the f****** information.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: She was there before the Stone of Lilith. I mean, of Eve.

Cristina: Yeah, I don't know.

Jack: I just made it more complicated. I was looking for an out, like maybe I f***** up somewhere and like I go back and find. But no, it makes f****** sense. According to the s*** that already is out there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So Lilith knew both Jehovah and El. Lilith is more important than Lucifer.

Cristina: Maybe she's the reason he stayed alive for so long. I don't know.

Jack: Well, she wasn't working on any of that crap. That was Asriel.

Cristina: Asriel, yeah, but she was with him.

Jack: What does that have to do with Asriel wasn't even. Yeah, Asriel wasn't even born. So there's no solution to this problem.

Cristina: She can still. She might have known something about adrenochrome to help this guy live as long as he lives.

Jack: Well, no, as a shadow person, she wouldn't know anything about adrenochrome. She uses fear specifically.

Cristina: Crap.

Jack: She literally would know nothing about adrenochrome. That's too Earthling. Only Earthrealm. I mean, Lucifer had to figure out how to become an Earthrealm in order to use it.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Or not become an Earthrealm or replicate Earthrealm or physiology, at least in order to use it.

Cristina: So what does it mean?

Jack: I don't know. This is a quite complicated individual. It looks like Samael and Lucifer are conflated. Not only Samael and Lucifer, but Samael, Lucifer and Mahas. There's a lot of conflation there. Looks like a lot of the accusations that go to Nahas were just Samael. Nahas is innocent for all we know. And it looks like a lot of the accusations that go to even Lucifer are really Samael, minus the fact that Lucifer was down to spread the knowledge. Yeah, but based on those two contexts, maybe Samael and Lucifer were already in a rebellious state where they were thinking or maybe running projects separately. Yeah, like scientists do, you know, hey man, I got this thing going on. Hey, I got that thing going on. And they tried to do things that failed. Samael being close to the two Shadow Realmers in the team was easier for him to fall in love with somebody like Lilith. Who's a natural shadow armor. But also, she must have, like, crap Tony ears on this guy. But I guess that also doesn't really matter. That's a concept of New Age to worry about age.

Cristina: I wonder if they worry about the deaths that are involved because, like, their failure is people dying.

Jack: Masses.

Cristina: Masses that could be part of why they had to be kicked out eventually. Like, we don't know if they care about lives or not, or, like, our lives or anything. But maybe they do care about life. Maybe not us specifically.

Jack: I think the real argument comes down to obedience, not necessarily life. Because it looks like in the case of Lilith, like, Samael wasn't kicked out, he left. And he was responsible for a lot of problems. Yeah, but science s*** fails. But Lilith disobeyed orders. She gets kicked.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Lucifer disagreed with orders and he left. He lives.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: It looks like obedience is the problem, not necessarily life. It doesn't seem like they care about life. You do what I say. I am top dog. I'm the last word. You either agree or get the f*** out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And in her case, she's like, I'm not leaving. This is my work. And they're like, get the f*** out. You violated rules.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And his case is like, I'm not dealing with this s***. I'm an equal member here. And you're absolutely stepping over all of us. My research is important to me. And he dips. Not only that, he tries to come back and take a s***. I think this is framing a lot of the stories that exist in the world.

Cristina: Yes. But it's still, like, there's still so much things. I don't know how they fit in the timeline of things.

Jack: I don't understand Lilith entirely. It's a huge, huge problem. Because I know that was. I know that didn't get caught immediately. The fact that, oh, yeah, she's part of this team. She was here 150,000 years ago. To be fair, Susan personally knew El, and Susan was also part of the Earth gods, which were consistently communicating with Elysium, which Jehovah was part of. So Szin and Lilith have some time, some longevity in which both Susan and Lilith both knew Eloi, and both Susan and Lilith both know Jehovah.

Cristina: Okay, yeah, yeah. But I don't know how that relates to each other.

Jack: I don't know either.

Cristina: They're shadow people. They live forever. Maybe question.

Jack: Maybe question mark. Yeah, exactly. And why is it that El lived so long if he did not have Azrael? I don't know. I think that's Fair enough. I actually think that's more of a problem because we have a second example. It just looks like shadow people live a really long time.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or they don't die. Yeah, I mean, dead people go to the shadow realm. Let's just assume they don't die. But then what the h*** does that mean for Eloi?

Cristina: Unicorn blood, dude.

Jack: He's just around.

Cristina: Yeah. What was pre everything? Unicorns.

Jack: Unicorns are just fairies.

Cristina: Yeah, but aren't they? If you eat their. No. Something about using their bone makes you live forever or whatever. Said the guy on the boat.

Jack: Yeah, it'll grant you immortality.

Cristina: Although no one knows how to use it. Because everyone died who was in contact with it.

Jack: No, not the people who in contact with the people trying to get to it all died. They killed each other trying to get it.

Cristina: Yes. So no one successfully used it the correct way.

Jack: Nobody successfully used it, period. Nobody successfully got a hold of it without dying. And then the one guy who had it was hiding it the whole f****** time and still died at the end.

Cristina: Yeah, but these stories have to come from somewhere. Like where's the proof of the person who lived forever?

Jack: Because unicorn horned Harry Potter is where that comes from.

Cristina: That's what the Greeks were basing their legends on. Harry Potter?

Jack: No, Harry Potter is where the person drinks the thing. I see what you mean. So Antonio Draco, did he hear the.

Cristina: Story from Harry Potter? I don't think so. He knows.

Jack: Well, he knew it could cure any illness.

Cristina: Then he say it could keep you immortal.

Jack: I don't know if that was ever mentioned. I don't think that was the case.

Cristina: I feel like that was one of the many things. Things they could do.

Jack: You think you're granting mortality? Fair enough. It does sound like something that would do. Because it's supposed to do everything and more.

Cristina: Yes, because it was so much like adrenal adrenochrome, except that we couldn't prove that it actually could do anything.

Jack: And you can't get addicted to it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I guess it was just. I don't know. Somebody must have tried it. Right. Because the guy didn't tell him a lot about it. He just gave it to him. This is what it is. Died.

Cristina: Yes. And then everyone after died.

Jack: Everybody trying to get to it died. Everybody came in contact with it, whether they got to do anything with it or died. Yeah, unicorn's f****** horn is a problem.

Cristina: There has to be one example of someone who succeeded and maybe this is the guy. Maybe it's random. I know it's very random. But, like, where did this story come from? Yeah, why is this guy living forever? It makes no sense.

Jack: No, that's a fair a** question, to be honest. Because, like, what the h***? We know, unicorns could do it, but so could Adrenochrome, to be fair.

Cristina: But he's so ancient that Adrenochrome doesn't seem to be involved.

Jack: Adrenochrome has existed always.

Cristina: Always, Like. But did humans know about it always? Or not humans.

Jack: Whatever the Elysians are. Yeah, they could be human. I have no idea. That's still so hard to establish. They were. They were really close to human. They know they're genetically different. They were really close to human, though. We know that much. They were very close to human. They were just some other s***, like the difference between Neanderthal and a caveman or some s***. It's like they were really. They were really close.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Although they're not. Like, we're not the same. And that slight difference makes them OP and us not. On the flip side, we got here quicker, which means we're gonna be more OP in less time.

Cristina: If you were working together, like, they're working together with their ridiculous teams.

Jack: Yeah, they got really overpowered teams. Anyways, anyways, that's all we were way over time. And, like, I'm more confused than I began because I don't know what the f*** is up with Lilith. And Lilith is less of a problem because if we just consider Susan as well. Susan knew both Jehovah and El, and Lilith knew both Jehovah and El. That's less special than why the l lived like 4 million years or some crazy like that. Like, what the was that dude a vampire?

Cristina: I don't know, dude.

Jack: It would have to totally be. I don't even know. We'll figure it out eventually. Anyways. Anyways, if you guys have any input for any of this, you can hit a zub on all our socials. Just convopod on X, on Instagram, on Facebook, on TikTok.

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Jack: And remember to word of the mouth. The out of those people. Tell people, scream at them, say, hey, hey. Bottom of that. No, don't whisper. Don't whisper at all. You scream in there, you grab their face and you put it really close to your face and you see. Scream as loud as you can. Hey, hey.

Cristina: Something's here.

Jack: This. Yeah, exactly. Here's this show that's going to give you answers about crap you had no idea you wanted to know about and had no questions for to begin with.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. Oh, yeah, it's not even related, but what a coin. What a coincidence. Just us. Coincidence left and right. Coincidence left and right. Yeah. Sure. Totally. We're not thinking too hard about it. We're just like, you know, everybody's for whatever reason, dealing with the Church always dealing with adrenochrome. I don't know why Church always, for whatever reason, suppressing something. The Church always, for whatever reason. Who the f***, no, what all this s*** is actually. I mean, it was obviously, when you think about it, connected, but, like, we weren't thinking about it. We were just kind of. Oh, it showed up again. Cool. Butterflies in a dream come, children, dream come. Haha. But it's like, bro, 911 was real and it looked like it was an inside job and it looked like it happened at a time when absolute peace was kind of establishing. And it's like, oh, in hindsight, that makes absolute sense as a way to cause a lot of fear and get a lot of blood.

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Rambling 232: Titan Submersible Cover-Up

What was the real point behind the Titan Crew going down to visit the Titanic Crash Site? How was the Titanic originally located and why? What could really have been going on during the Titan Submersible Tragedy? The duo continue to unpack and dissect the information found relative to the submersible tragedy and all the conspiracies and cover-ups that came from the incident.

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  • Hunter Biden Blackmailing
  • Deleted Epstein Island Emails
  • Biden Impeachment Vote
  • Sneaky 6 Billion to Ukraine
  • IRS, FBI, CIA: Whistleblowers
  • Rothschild Family Bloodline
  • Warhead Submarine
  • The Titanic Crash Site
  • North Atlantic UAPs
  • Atlanteans

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JCP 6.01 HollowN9ne Network & The Megapocalypse

Fan-Favorite guest Dave ‘The Klone’, CEO of ‘The Hollow9ine Podcast Network’, joins Jack for their annual off the hinge, no holds-barred discussion about everything under the Sun. From fresh new Covid conspiracies to theories about what the vaccines will do to the human body in the long run and the road to acquiring X-Men style abilities.

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  • CNN/Fox and Covid: Same Graph, Different Narrative
  • Michael Keaton’s Great Acting
  • The Great Void Dyson Sphere Theory
  • JCP Rambling Lure
  • Michael Horn and BIlly
  • Early Internet Chatrooms and Forums
  • Smart Phones Mind Control
  • Golden Eye
  • Covid Alien Invasion
  • Vaccine Mutants
  • Horizon: Zero Dawn Story Theories
  • Assassins Creed Series
  • The Last of Us: Part 2 Morally Grey Area
  • The Matrix Resurrections Good or Bad?

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Rambling 123: Moon Conspiracies

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Was the moon landing faked? Is the moon an intricate hologram designed to hide what’s truly in our skies? Conspiracy theories of the moon unpacked!

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Having recently sent subhumans to investigate the moon due to recent cow abductions and the need to give listeners Stockholm Syndrome, the duo decides to unpack some of the conspiracy theories surrounding our floating space neighbor. In the process the shocking realization that some of these conspiracy theories are possible rises. What’s most shocking is which of these conspiracies has particularly strong evidence in its favor! Find out which on this episode of Just Conversation!

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  • Stockholm Syndrome
  • Cheese Moon
  • Hologram Moon
  • Illuminati Moon Base
  • Moon Aliens
  • Faked Moon Landing
  • Hollow Moon
  • City on the Moon
  • Advanced Moon Technology
  • Crrow7777
  • Unlisted Satellite
  • Secret Moon Research
  • Area 51
  • Government Secrets
  • Ringing Moon

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Rambling 115: 2020 Apocalypse Review pt 2

Just Conversation, Politics, Election Fraud, New Year, Celebbration, Coronavirus, Aliens

Finishing our review of the slowest apocalypse ever, 2020.

The duo wrap up their studies of the ancient times of 2020. The good, the bad and the ugly are all wrapped up with a neat bow. As they do so, they remember the days before aliens ruled the world and days before the Mars Space station was a casual hangout for teens. Often referred to as “the good old days.”

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  • Police Brutality
  • Police Reform
  • Lebanon Explosion
  • Unhealthy Americans
  • California Wildfires
  • Stronger Covid
  • Election Fraud
  • Aliens

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Rambling 108: Werewolf Folklore

Werewolf, THe Just Conversation Podcast, Horror, Scary, Vampire, Mytical

What are the real stories about werewolves and where do they come from? Werewolves and the Folklore surrounding their mystery is discussed.

Story:
The duo begins a new case about werewolves and they begin with the folklore and tales surrounding them. From origins to methods of disposing of them. But diving deep takes the duo down rabbits holes they never expected to go. The connections they discover reveal the truth of werewolves rests on a different mythological creature entirely. The question is, how many other creatures are just this one? All that and more on this episode of Just Conversation.

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Topics Discussed

  • Abilities of the 7th Son
  • Werewolf Features
  • Talking Dogs
  • Becoming a Werewolf
  • Curing Werewolf Syndrome
  • Werewolf War
  • Killing Werewolves
  • White Man’s Folklore
  • Vampire Werewolves
  • Scolding Werewolves
  • Adrenochrome
  • Shapeshifters
  • Chupacabra

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Rambling 106: Galactic Zoo Theory

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Is Earth just an interstellar zoo for hyper-intelligent lifeforms? Answers to that and more on this episode of Just Conversation.

Story:
While investigating the Mandela effect, the duo discovers something extraordinary about planet Earth. Digging deeper it starts to become apparent that there is high possibility Earth is currently being watched by advanced lifeforms. Searching for the answers as to why this is happening, the duo stumble upon several possibilities ranging from time travel to alien experiments, but what they discover along the way is something neither of the two could have ever expected!

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Topics Discussed

  • The Zoo Hypothesis
  • Fermi’s Paradox
  • The Great Silence
  • Earth Zoo
  • Unintelligent Life
  • Human Sanctuary
  • Two Distinct Life Origins on Earth
  • Ancient Astronauts
  • Future Humans
  • Aliens in Scripture
  • Vehicles in Scripture
  • Nephilim
  • Time Bubbles
  • Ghost Ships & UFOs
  • Jehovah & Lucifer Alien Leaders

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Rambling 89: Adrenochrome Conspiracy 2: God's Fuel

Adrenochrome, Conspiracy Theory, Elites, Evil, Reptilian, Flat Earth, Alien, Murder, War, Corruption, Government, 9/11, Blood, Vile, Podcast, Discussion

How does Adrenochrome relate to God?

Unpacking God’s relationship to the Adrenochrome Conspiracy.

Story:
Months after discovering the true use of the Adrenochrome cocktail, the clone duo have a revelation connecting the cocktail directly to God and the ever changing state of the world. Pursuing this information leads the two to an astounding fact about God, higher dimensions and the nature of human sacrifices, The Tree of Knowledge and more much. An episode that will forever change the lives of our clones. All that and more on this episode of Just Conversation.

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Unpacking God’s relationship to the Adrenochrome Conspiracy.

Story: Months after discovering the true use of the Adrenochrome cocktail, the clone duo have a revelation connecting the cocktail directly to God and the ever changing state of the world. Pursuing this information leads the two to an astounding fact about God, higher dimensions and the nature of human sacrifices, The Tree of Knowledge and more much. An episode that will forever change the lives of our clones. All that and more on this episode of Just Conversation.

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Topics Discussed:

  • God
  • Sacrificial Fuel
  • Fear
  • The God Battery
  • Fear Sustained Reality
  • Mass Tragedies
  • Increasing Energy Usage
  • Plagues and Viruses
  • Coronavirus
  • Political Fears
  • Pending War
  • The Fear of Change
  • God’s Recovery
  • Punishing Angels
  • The Higher System

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Rambling 86: Coronavirus Conspiracy 2

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Where did this virus come from? As the virus reaches it’s peak in many countries, the reason for its spread and the initial hording of toilet paper are debated and discussed.

Story:
Hiding out on Zombie Island Theme Park, the duo reads through their “borrowed” books from the Freemasons library and they unpack the possible origins for the coronavirus outbreak plaguing society.

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Topics Discussed:

  • Faked Coronavirus
  • Forced Vaccines
  • Stripped of Rights
  • Bioterrorism
  • Putin’s New World Order
  • Overthrowing the Crown
  • Corporate Conspiracy
  • Toilet Paper Conspiracy
  • Plague From God
  • Magic Toilet Paper
  • Spiritual Toilet Paper
  • Bird Box
  • Toilet Paper Currency
  • Big Pharma Plot

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Rambling 79: Coronavirus Conspiracy

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Why did the outbreak begin? Theories on the Origin of the Corona Virus.

 Story:
After the recent outbreak of the Corona Virus in China, the duo unpacks it’s origin story and how it links to world politics. As the waters heat up between the United States and China biological warfare enters the picture as a solution for avoiding nuclear warfare, but a Royal British government clone has bigger plans with a Global Population Control scheme. All this and much, much more, on this episode of Just Conversation.

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Topics Discussed

  • Chinese Bio-Weapon Experimentation
  • Secret Virus Testing
  • Biological Warfare
  • The Umbrella Corporation
  • Resident Evil
  • Human Experimentation
  • Engineered Pandemic
  • Nuclear War & Radioactive Fallout
  • The Spread of Aids
  • U.S./China Trade Agreement
  • Vaccination
  • Queen Elizabeth III (The Clone)
  • The Crown’s Secret Plan
  • The New World Order

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Rambling 72: Dark Technology

Dark Technology, Techology Conspiracy, Theory, Technology, Robotis, A.I. Artificial Intelligence, Coding, The Matrix, Corruption

Dark possibilities presented by the current state of technology and where it might lead to in the future are discussed.

Story:
Waiting for the meeting with the head of Illuminati to report their findings at lake Loch Ness, the clone duo decide to setup and have a discussion investigating the possibilities of future technology and where it could go. Considering the corrupt companies like Facebook, Google, Amazon, Disney and others, the future looks quite dark. As they investigate the possibilities, the secret plan Elon Musk has been working on begins to become clear. The implications are terrifying! All that and more on this episode of The Just Conversation Podcast.

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Topics Discussed

  • Corrupt Power
  • Subliminal Messaging
  • Simulated God
  • Virtual Reality
  • Reality Buffer
  • Mind Controlled Robots
  • The Accidental Matrix
  • Creating The Borg
  • Facebook Currency
  • Companies Wealthier Than Countries
  • Elon Musk’s Mind Control
  • Rating Based Economy

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Rambling 69: The Loch Ness Monster

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The mystery of The Loch Ness Monster, the origin of its tales and what it might truly be are discussed.

Story:
After last episodes discovery that the Cat People staged World War 1 & 2, and that they are planning a third strike, the clone duo dive into an investigation that lead them straight to the tales of The Loch Ness Monster. Sifting through the research they find tales of ancient reptiles and chimeras, secret under water experimental facilities and portals to the other side of the universe. What of all the convoluted information uncovered is the truth? Find out, this episode of The Just Conversation Podcast.

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Topics Discussed

  • Origins of World War 1 & 2
  • Raiding the Worlds Forests
  • Lake Alien Rock Monster
  • What’s Known of the Cat People
  • The Loch Ness Monster
  • Godzilla
  • The Year 500 Nessy Sightings
  • Alien Experiments
  • Chimeras
  • Ancient Reptiles
  • Dinosaurs
  • Land Nessy
  • Intergalactic Portals
  • Impending Doom
  • Noah’s Arc
  • Nessy in Religion
  • Underwater Laboratories
  • Dragons

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Rambling 68: The Cat Conspiracy

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The evil plan cats have had for humans since the days of ancient Egypt is discussed.

Story:
Deep diving into the nature of cat gods of ancient civilizations and the events that took place when Jack’s second clone temporarily ran a time travelling business, the clone duo uncovers a sinister plot by cats to destroy humanity’s way of life to regain control of the world. As they investigate deeper, ties to Hitler, World War 1 and World War 2 are made. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. What the clones uncover is so disturbing that immediate action is required! Find out what and more on this episode of The Just conversation Podcast!

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Topics Discussed

  • World War 1
  • World War 2
  • Egyptian Cat Gods
  • The Industrial Revolution
  • Time Travel
  • Preventing World War 3
  • The Wasteland Future
  • Jack’s Dark Actions Throughout TIme
  • Subhuman Slavery

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Rambling 62: The Conspiracy Conspiracy

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Where conspiracy theories come from and what promotes their creation is discussed.

Story
The clone duo arrived at Alpha Centuri in search of alien life only to find it completely abandoned. They land of Proxima Centuri B and get the subhumans to commence scanning for life in the star system while they record the latest episode of the podcast where they decide to pick apart and unpack the nature and origin of conspiracy theories.

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Topics Discussed

  • Heart Attack Guns
  • Conspiracy Origins
  • Alien Tourism
  • Area 51
  • Human Experiments
  • Cloning
  • Political Correctness
  • Fake News
  • Everyone Rapes The Children
  • Robot Pedos
  • News Outlet Created Conspiracies
  • Elite Conspiracy Benefits
  • Sam & Dean Winchester
  • Tupac Alive In Cuba
  • Uncertainty

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