Rambling 166: Powerful Storm Clouds

Which types of clouds are responsible for storms? If clouds have species, why don’t we call them sky creatures? Is the Shinto cloud demi-god Aka Shita hidden amongst the clouds? The duo picks apart an Illuminati document on the hunt for Aka-Shita, a Shinto cloud god that may help the duo deal with the ever lingering Cat-God problem. In the process, they discover the military structure of cloud systems.

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Topics Discussed:

  • Aka Shita (Shinto Cloud Creature
  • Cirrostratus Cloud Species
  • Nebulosus Clouds
  • Halo Shaped Cloud
  • Cumulus Cloud Species
  • Ice Crystal Clouds
  • Vapor Clouds
  • Mediocris Clouds
  • Horizontal Clouds
  • Pack clouds
  • Congestus Clouds
  • Vertical Clouds
  • Thunderstorms
  • Cumulonimbus Clouds (Thunderhead)
  • Cloud Towers
  • Tornadoes
  • Lightning Storms
  • Hailstorms
  • Flash Flooding

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

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Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yeah. So pull somebody nice and close and get ready to go on a wild, whimsical ride.

Cristina: We're going on a ride.

Jack: Whimsical ride.

Cristina: Ooh, Are we part of that ride?

Jack: Yes. There's a lot of whimsy in it, though.

Cristina: Whimsy?

Jack: Whimsy. I don't know what whimsy is, but I know it's whimsical.

Cristina: Is that like, magical? That's unrelated. I don't know.

Jack: So magical or fun? It's somewhere in that ballpark. All right, it's either whimsical.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Because it would be mystical. Right. Or it would be magical. If we use any of those words, whimsical must just be what's. What's whimsy? It's fun. Right. A lot of whimsy. It's playful fun.

Cristina: Sure. I don't know. What if it doesn't really at all?

Jack: I don't could. It could totally not relate.

Cristina: It could totally means clumsy. I don't know.

Jack: Totally. Yeah. So, okay, so let's brief briefing. Quick. Everybody, huddle up. Briefing, meeting. We don't know what happened to the sub humans that we sent into the dark.

Cristina: Into the dark. Into the dark.

Jack: The great void.

Cristina: Into the void.

Jack: The great, great, deep.

Cristina: You also.

Jack: We don't know. So any listeners who've been following with us, you guys know that we built a team a couple of months ago, a team of subhumans, and we sent them out after we had this f****** establishment. So we got to put here, right? So we basically we went and we investigated the pyramids because there was something off about the pyramids of Giza. And then we found out that the pyramids of Giza is old cat people technology. It's both used as lasers and transportation devices that use entanglement in order to move. So there's a chamber inside the pyramid. It turns people in or anything into pure energy and can instantaneously fling it through a particle and out a different one anywhere, instantly. So we used that and sent a team of, by the way, they were using this to get to the great void where the cat gods are.

Cristina: Yeah, right.

Jack: And the Cat guards is the original advanced civilization of cat people from millions of years ago that have become so highly advanced that they literally look like they're using magic. And we thought it was magic magic at the beginning, but we've established that this is just science that's so vastly advanced that it blows us away and looks like nature. So using the pyramid, after we figured it out, we got a team. Sub humans sent them, flung them straight to the coordinates that we got for the great void from the Cat people. Sweet. Everything according to plan. And then we never heard back from them.

Cristina: The cat people betrayed us. I don't know. We don't know. It doesn't.

Jack: I mean, they were never on our side.

Cristina: Yeah, there's nothing to be trade.

Jack: But we send to subhumans and haven't heard from them. It's been months now. No, nothing. No, nothing either. They're stuck over there. And it was a one way trip and they couldn't replicate it because there's no other pyramids or other technology they have over there. So vastly advanced. On the flip side, there are no cat gods around here. Maybe it is a one way trip.

Cristina: Well, then we find cat gods in the Loch Ness.

Jack: No, we found cat people there.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And they told us about the cat gods.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Which is where we sent the subhumans. Oh, by the way, this is.

Cristina: This is specifically thinking they were both the same thing.

Jack: No, no cat gods.

Cristina: Cat people.

Jack: Yeah. The cat people are the bottom of the barrel, you know.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. There's one left behind to do experiments over here while they go and do greater things elsewhere.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But it's interesting that this bit of lore has taken several years to craft.

Jack: We're talking this goes way back years in the making to get to this point where we're finally confronting the cat people and we just lost an entire team of who knows how many mofos. It's crazy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So assuming nothing good happened, we gotta.

Cristina: Make a backup plan.

Jack: We need a backup plan. We need. We need to communicate with God's willing to help us. Yes. Which is problematic because gods usually don't give much of a f***.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Like obviously we would try to get like Santa Claus to help or some s***. He's so advanced, his s*** looks like magic too, you know, but like he doesn't care.

Cristina: I would any of them.

Jack: They wouldn't. That's exactly the problem. None of them would. There's no benefit to It.

Cristina: So who then? Who are we gonna call?

Jack: Well, we have to go and contact some of the other creatures that thought I had. And I know I got a whole report about this right now, so that we can, you know, push it to the higher ups and see if they green light this idea.

Cristina: Yes, what is it?

Jack: We gotta go where we said we'd never go, man. We vowed a long time ago to just add a distance, observe and never f*** with the sky creatures. We just. We just stay away from that. There's forces up there that we just simply can't f*** with. And when they come down, a lot of them are just destructive f****** monsters.

Cristina: So we ignore them. Ignore them.

Jack: We're like, we don't f*** with them. The f*** with us. Less we're talking the big dogs, tornadoes and f****** sentient lightning and f****** hurricane. All the things. All the f****** things. And so we got to go to whichever one of them seems to f*** with us the least because it's on average the least hostile, which is the clouds. They seem to just stick to their own business most of the time.

Cristina: What do you think? We could take the groundhog with us and he might help us because his.

Jack: Abilities are literally to interact with the sky creatures. Yeah, maybe.

Cristina: Maybe, Maybe. Okay.

Jack: He's on our team.

Cristina: He is on our team.

Jack: Phil previously wasn't. He was on the team of whoever was circling the original batch of f****** adrenochrome that he had access to.

Cristina: Yeah, but new Phil.

Jack: Well, it's not. New Phil's name is Steve.

Cristina: Oh, Steve.

Jack: Steve the groundhog is on our side.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So if Steve can somehow help, this would be lovely, because we can't. We can't take Steve out. He can't go to the Great Void. That's not good. If he dies over there, we got a f***** problem. Yes, we've got a f***. We could grab a different groundhog, I suppose, and go through the same process, but in just a day without Phil, it turned to s*** overnight. Yeah, it was apocalyptic looking.

Cristina: It was.

Jack: So we're talking the weirdest hot, cold, rainstorm, thunder, ice.

Cristina: A little bit of a mess, but it's calmed down.

Jack: Yes, he's. I mean, Steve is figuring it out. Yeah, it's not the best job, but he's new.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Phil had how many hundreds of years to do this while Steve has had two months maybe. Like, it's not. It's not easy. Well, actually, it's been just over a month. It's not easy. He's not having a good time, per se.

Cristina: So what's the plan with the clouds?

Jack: Oh, we gotta go. We gotta just f****** make homies with the clouds specifically. Stories circle now. The clouds are quiet. They stayed. They shut the f*** up. They. They mind their own business. Half the time. They don't interact with us. Only when we f*** with them specifically, sending weird smoke up to them and s***. Do they freak the f*** out, get angry, and start destroying s***.

Cristina: Well, we're the ones that mess with them.

Jack: We mess with them indirectly. They get angry and retaliate. But we know that they. They, you know, they communicate with the winds. They communicate with all forms of sky things.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And usually they don't even come and attack themselves. They get help so they can stay detached. If they're angry, they're like, hey, over there.

Cristina: Like a tornado.

Jack: They'll send a tornado.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No, tornadoes are particularly aggressive kind of creature, and it has no problems. Like, f***, yeah, I'm in. Because it's a weird hybrid of cloud and wind. It's a fusion. It's a baby of some sort. Well, and that's something for a different day. Like, if we need that level of destructive force, maybe, great, good, whatever. But the clouds tend to be very quiet about things. They don't talk much. They don't tell us anything. They stay out of our way. We stay out of theirs. On average.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But through whispers, through those of us ground creatures and through some of the robotic birds we got up there that have gotten, you know, they record audio there because the clouds don't f*** with the birds. The birds aren't doing any. They're not harming them. Just, you know, birds flying through. And then we record a little bit. Yeah, we just record a little bit dialogue. We. We go ahead and we interpret it, find out what they're talking about. Over the years of the recordings we've got and from the clouds, there is mention of a hierarchy.

Cristina: There's an hierarchy.

Jack: Is a hierarchy. There's a. Now, there's a lot of civilian. Based on this hierarchy, there's a lot of civilian activity. They have, you know, many small, unimportant people just kind of living their lives in the sky, doing whatever they got to do.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But one of the things that has just whispers. Whispers, because it's not a lot. 2, 3 mentions over millions of hours recorded. That's how exaggerated we're talking. Just some hidden background noise that luckily we have of this hierarchy. Yeah, we know the top of it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That there is a God. An actual God among them.

Cristina: Our job is to find it.

Jack: And our job is to find this God. Keep in mind we have millions of hours.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And seconds worth of mention. Seconds, Seconds, seconds.

Cristina: They have a name.

Jack: Okay, so there is a name. And the name is Akashita. Very Japanese name. So we at least have a region to look for.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Where this deity of sorts might be. The problem is the hierarchy within the system is hard to determine because it seems that it's almost militarized for who knows what reason if we never see anything. But also we don't understand the interactions between the clouds and the winds. We don't understand the interactions between the clouds.

Cristina: Like if there's some type of war going up up there.

Jack: Well, not necessarily war, but what if they're preventing war by having these military organizations. We don't know how the clouds interact with lightning, you know?

Cristina: Yeah, there's.

Jack: There's other things happening that the clouds are interacting with that we don't understand the dynamic.

Cristina: We have proof that they're alive. That's so crazy. They're talking to each other.

Jack: I mean, we always knew they were sentient beings. That's not like a shock. We've had this established for seemingly the entirety of the rambling series.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: Yeah. Quite. Some of the first creatures we watched at a distance and discussed were the clouds.

Cristina: Were the clouds. Yes. Yes.

Jack: So our job is to look through the document that broke down what's happening amongst the non civilian clouds and find out where within this structure Akashita would be. So that we know. We already know. Based on the name, it seems highly Japanese.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We have a region to look, so we need to know what we're looking for when we're there.

Cristina: So we're going to be looking at clouds that are in Japan or something.

Jack: We're going to be looking at Japanese clouds.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we need to find Akashita among them to then get something up there and have a conversation. If willing. If he's willing. And see if he would like to work with us.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To deal with a problem.

Cristina: This is crazy. Okay, so we're gonna help. We're gonna ask him for help to talk to.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Hopefully the cat gods now. Whatever.

Jack: We know a long time ago that there was an episode of Star Trek in which they are encountering a cloud being that drinks blood. It sucks out the iron from creatures that it is consuming essentially. And blood. Yeah.

Cristina: That's hilarious.

Jack: Well, we know the connections of blood and everything.

Cristina: Everything's connected to blood.

Jack: Everything. Now this cloud is hostile, but there's an interesting piece about it. This cloud is in space, not on the surface of a planet. Which is particularly interesting because it means hostile clouds are outcast.

Cristina: Or that's what the military is protecting us from. The cloud military.

Jack: Could be. But why would it have been outcast in the first place if it was that dangerous? We just see it interacting with the clouds. It's just in space. It was outcast from the planet's surface. Now that's based on a real cloud being. So we've heard those whispers within the clouds. We know that that was a real thing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that Star Trek based their thing on this cloud being that was drinking blood. It was coming down to the surface of it. Now they. They did protect us from it by outcasting it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They don't want to f*** with the humans. We can. We can toxify their air the same way that they can cause destruction down on us. We just agree truce and we don't interact with each other.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So this thing got hostile, they flung it out there. But it's one of many. Anytime that happens, they just fling it out and. Okay, it's outcast. It's gone forever. And then Star Trek based their situation on that. So we know that they're. They can survive in space.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And we know that the biggest of the biggest of clouds form planets and stars. We know the power behind the cloud. Now the idea here is it's possible that the clouds have already been familiarized with the cat people because the cat gods have presumably Dyson sphered the stars within the great void. And those stars are nothing but gas collected the way clouds are, those are imprisoned clouds. The big kahuna. Stars are clouds, essentially.

Cristina: Stars.

Jack: Yeah, those are giant gases compressed is the hottest, steamiest of clouds put together. So clouds are essentially some of the most overpowered of gods and they just hang out. But they have some sort of war now. I don't think the military was designed to fight off the other clouds. There's enough of them to just force them out. That's why those other clouds don't even come back. It's better leave than get destroyed. We can become stars if enough of us come together. So what are we making a military for? What's the only thing f****** with us at the scale? The f****** cats.

Cristina: Ah, the cats are protecting us from the cats.

Jack: They're not protecting us from the cats. They're protecting them f****** selves from the cats.

Cristina: Oh, they're protecting themselves.

Jack: The war was between the clouds and the cats.

Cristina: Because we know the cats left or we saw the cats left.

Jack: Yeah, they left some Behind.

Cristina: They did leave.

Jack: Where were they hidden? Were they on land where the clouds can retaliate?

Cristina: No, no, they're underwater.

Jack: Underwater where they can't be f***** with. See how this plays out? So there's a possibility that if we can get the leader of the clouds from Earth to understand the problem and know that you can side with the humans on this.

Cristina: Because we have the same problem.

Jack: We got the same problem.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We might not like each other, but we have a mutual enemy. And we're in a truce.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So we can work with each other to solve the mutual problem.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: The plot thickens.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So if we can find Akashita and go straight to the lead, we can have whatever methods of communication they have to speak to gas, planets, stars, and nebula.

Cristina: Can we talk to our own star?

Jack: We don't know how to communicate with that.

Cristina: Yes. I mean, what the God. Oh. You said even nebulas?

Jack: Nebulas are the biggest of all clouds.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They are clouds that encompass many, many, many stars. So if we can get Akashita to.

Cristina: Help us, what do we know about him?

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Or it's.

Jack: I guess, here's the problem. We don't know s*** about him. We don't know s*** about Akashita other than probably Japanese.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we know that he's one of the few clouds that have been seen to have a godlike appearance. Rarely. He's. He mostly looks like a normal cloud.

Cristina: What's a God like appearance?

Jack: Well, let me get there. He mostly looks like a normal cloud, but some people have reported. Now, this is taking what we heard about the name, the fact that it was whispered, you know, important, Important here and there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then running that name through anyone and everyone we have on Earth that works for us. And then going deep into folklore and finding out they have. We have stories on Akashita in which we've seen a face in the cloud.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: And it gets covered up quick. It's fast. Like he's looking. And he reveals his face momentarily. And it gets covered up, but it's.

Cristina: Like a face made out of clouds.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's a cloud that can rapidly go from white to looking like a storm cloud. Black. And then back to white. Fast. Fast. And it'll look like a white cloud. Face shows up. It's just a dark cloud suddenly. And then boom, it's white again.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Claws.

Cristina: Claws. It has claws.

Jack: Yes. Now, here's what's interesting. We've seen clouds that look like they have shapes, that look like they have hands, and look like they have Teeth. Just weird shaped clouds. It's possible. We've seen Akashita. Akashita could be one of the largest clouds and just covers a huge area. We would never know. It could be a tiny cloud that's just highly intelligent and everything else just lines up behind it. We don't know. The one detail that seems to stand out that is least cloud. Like what is the fact that rarely it's been reported that he has a red tongue.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. Why?

Jack: Don't know.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: A cloud with a red tongue.

Jack: Yes. So we don't know which type of cloud he's hidden amongst. So we had to look at all our records, look at all the data collected on clouds that exists, and then review all the audio that we've collected of cloud dialogue, cross reference all of it and be left with what are the non civilian clouds. So the document we have has no civilian clouds in it. These are just the militarized clouds, the ones in charge of cloud civilization.

Cristina: And one of these are most likely the cloud we're looking for.

Jack: Yes. Akashita, the God of the clouds on Earth.

Cristina: Yes. And he has a tongue. That's really weird just to picture a cloud. And like, how do you even see the tongue? Is it a huge tongue?

Jack: Don't know. Don't know.

Cristina: He's like, if you see a face, like would you even see a tongue if a cloud had a tongue?

Jack: I don't know. I don't know what to tell you. It's a weird thing.

Cristina: It is very strange.

Jack: And the problem is it doesn't happen often. There's stories are. We're talking that in writing. We have a story from maybe three, 4,000 years ago and then another one from about a thousand years ago. And then one from like 500 years ago. And then no more mentions. And it's like he's rarely seen. The same way that even amongst the clouds he's rarely spoken of people on Earth rarely ever seen him.

Cristina: That's a pretty like he's elusive, huh?

Jack: We talk about f******. We found Bigfoot, bro. We could find anything. We gotta go find this s*** now. This is crazy.

Cristina: But he looks like a cloud.

Jack: He looks like a cloud of which there are an infinite number and they're always morphing into different shapes.

Cristina: Mm. That's the tricky part. Like he looks like any other cloud except for his tongue.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Which like what do we even notice?

Jack: Yeah, exactly. That's the problem, you see?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like weird. Weird how? Where do we start?

Cristina: Where do we start?

Jack: I don't well, this document is where we start. So this report has the clouds hierarchy based on what we know.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And somewhere among this structure, this military structure, is what we are looking for.

Cristina: Yay.

Jack: So we know that Akashita can be very, very bright and can also quickly rapidly become very, very dark.

Cristina: But the brightness is a special kind of bright. Like it looks different from any other cloud. Type of bright.

Jack: Don't know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We don't know anything. We don't know anything about Akashira. We're gonna hope.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That the collective of information we have guides us in that direction. Cuz we don't know. It could be special kind of bright. That's something that some clouds feature as we will go through.

Cristina: Okay, good.

Jack: But also, who says it is? Because there's different kinds of white. Oh, you see, there's a problem.

Cristina: It's like, what?

Jack: So we got to figure it out. So when it comes to the military, there, we're gonna start at the very bottom of what seems is happening.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: And there's a type of cloud. Now, we don't know how do they refer to each other. This is titles we've given them, obviously. So when we communicate, if this works, if we can get them on our side, we'll know respectful terms, we'll know how to communicate, we'll know real titles as opposed to what we've been calling them. But they don't give a s***. Because we've been in a truce, they don't want to communicate.

Cristina: So hopefully, like their scientific names.

Jack: Yes. This is what we've basically labeled them as.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So there's a chorus, stratus. And this type of cloud is a very familiar cloud. We've all seen photos of it. It's usually a cloud that becomes like a ring in the sky. It looks like an indent in the sky.

Cristina: Yeah, I think I've seen pictures of that. Yeah.

Jack: Yes. What's interesting about this cloud is it is made of ice at a very high altitude.

Cristina: The cloud is made of ice.

Jack: The cloud is made of ice at a very, very high altitude. And it's usually in the shape of a halo. It's very round. Specifically the nebulous one. Now that's a type of charostratus. Now, all the clouds have different breakdowns within. So there's species of clouds, and within each species there's many types. Now, I'm excluding all the civilian types from here.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I'm only specifically focusing on the one of Nikerostratus cloud that is militarized and that's the nebulosus one. That one is the one in the shape of a ring in the sky.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes. That cloud is made of ice and it usually highers the temperature when it's present. Behind it comes heat. It's usually increasing the temperature. So if you see it, it's usually lingering. It's not moving. It's a cloud that doesn't seem to move with the wind. It's so far above the wind that it lingers there. Chilling. Kind of like the halo shape that it is.

Cristina: And it's heating the area.

Jack: Interesting, right? It is a cloud of ice that warms the earth up. Well, very interesting. It seems to, wherever it stands, be sucking the cold out of the air. So it hangs out in the sky over you for a large period of time and just starts sucking the cold and turning it into. It just gets bigger and consumes all the cold wing, slowly increasing the temperature, temperature below it.

Cristina: Wow. And then eventually melts away.

Jack: Or eventually it leaves.

Cristina: It doesn't melt.

Jack: It's sucking out the cold. It's become colder.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's not sucking in the heat.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's sucking in the cold, becoming icier and colder. And then eventually it decides to get the f*** out and just dips. But it's not subject to the wind or anything. And it all also brings moisture and rain. So it's an interesting cloud that's doing the opposite of what you think it would.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's a giant frozen halo that increases the temperature and makes it rain.

Jack: Now this, these things happen over time. It lingers there for a while. It's a very slow progressing. So It'll be there 14 to 24 hours later. Detectable differences happen. So it's slowly slow.

Cristina: It sounds magical. But could people confuse the roundness of it with a face? Like a cloud with a face? Is that even possible?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Or like, can other clouds mix with this cloud to make it look like a face?

Jack: No. What's interesting about this cloud, and this is the only reason that it's put here? Well, I guess two reasons that it's put here. One, it's one of the militarized clouds. It's causing things to happen. Two, it's the only different set of clouds because all the other militarized clouds are part of the cumulus species. This is the only cloud that's militarized that is not one of the cumulus species that's particularly interesting. And immediately. And the fact that it's also one of the. It's the Only cloud that lingers in place.

Cristina: Which sounds like if it was going to be the God one that's. It's already the unique one.

Jack: Yes. It's in many ways hanging out, observing patiently, slow working, very godlike activities happening there.

Cristina: Yes, but it might not be.

Jack: It might not be. We don't know where it stands. We know that this thing comes ahead of a fleet always. It could be the God ahead, and the military follows it, decides where we need to be and how the strategy is gonna play out. Or it's the front line.

Cristina: Oh, it's the front line, huh? It could be the front line.

Jack: If it's a front line. If it's the front line, then it's definitely not God. No, because God would never just be the front line. He could be in the front, but it wouldn't be the front line. It seems that distinct shows up and sort of opens way for the rest of the clouds.

Cristina: Like scouting the area or something.

Jack: Yes, that's a great way to look at it. Seems to be the scout, because behind it always show up the other clouds.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And all the other clouds that are militarized are behind the cumulus are cumulus. They're all part of the same species, even if they have different races within the species.

Cristina: Okay, then let's learn about these other clouds.

Jack: So the cumulus cloud, these are kind of the majority. Everything that's in here. Every. All the military clouds are cumulus. Minus the castrata.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So cumulus clouds, the base of the cloud is flat. The bottom.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And they tend to have a puffy structure. So they look like bubbles glued together.

Cristina: Yes, they're the clouds that I like to draw.

Jack: They're the clouds that look. Yeah, they're the most common cloud, the one we see. Those are soldiers moving around. We didn't know this. All the other clouds, when you see like random one off clouds or whatever, or just kind of streaks that look like chemtrails, those are actually clouds themselves. This is type of cloud. So. Yeah, not chemtrails, but those are a type of cloud align with the wind and so they stretch out the way the wind moves.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Those are just civilian clouds. Those are all civilian clouds. But these typical clouds, we draw. We're drawing soldiers.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Military. We're drawing military. And they're also the largest of clouds. All the other clouds are much smaller.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But these clouds. No, now we confuse large for collective.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This is a problem. People don't realize that when you see huge clouds that cover the whole sky, you're looking at population, not individuals.

Cristina: Okay. There's no one cloud making.

Jack: No, there's a bunch. And to us, it looks like one. We can't tell the difference. They look. It's like water. You can have water drops or you can have the ocean. Okay, it looks like the ocean to us, but it's nice. There's a bunch of water drops put together.

Cristina: Are they different water drops or.

Jack: Yes, there. There are many different clouds up there.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: And they blend to look like one sheet.

Cristina: Mmm. All right.

Jack: It's just a diverse population. You know, normal. It's like United States. A bunch of different people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If you put us all together and you look from really, really far, we all look the same.

Cristina: Yeah. So what about this big boy?

Jack: Well, all the cumulus clouds are pretty huge. And they got that same puffy structure.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And they can either travel alone or come in clusters, depending on which type they are. So most of them vary. And they have both. So you can have. And you might not depending. So I'm assuming this is rank thing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So these clouds can have high or low ranks, and depending on that, they might travel alone or not. Whether they be frontliners, maybe they're traveling alone, or maybe they are particularly high rank and thus they travel alone. I'm not sure how their military structure works.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But we know that that's definitely how it happens. And they are made of ice crystals.

Cristina: Ice crystals?

Jack: Yes, they are composed of ice crystals, which is particularly interesting. They move at what we're looking at is a lot of ice crystals, although rarely some are created by vapor. Now, what's interesting here is it seems that most of the clouds within the military are made of ice. So I'm assuming the vapor clouds are the non military cumulus clouds. That's to say that there are cumulus clouds that are not in the military, Although most military clouds are cumulus. Okay, so minus the corestrada, the saying goes, all military clouds are cumulus, but not all cumulus clouds are military. Yes, perfectly logical.

Cristina: Yeah, that makes sense.

Jack: All soldiers are humans, but not all humans are soldiers. Yeah, it works.

Cristina: It works.

Jack: Checks out. Okay, similarities. Good. Now, within the cumulus clouds, we're gonna talk about the different types of cumulus clouds, because this is where the important details come. If it's not a Kerastrata, are there.

Cristina: Gonna be some weird ones?

Jack: There are very strange ones.

Cristina: Okay, good.

Jack: And we're basically looking at three different tier levels.

Cristina: Ooh.

Jack: Now we have the mediocris. The mediocris cloud. This is a Particularly interesting cloud because it's blindingly white.

Cristina: It's blindingly white.

Jack: The top of this cloud tends to be very, very white.

Cristina: Just the top.

Jack: The top. Now, now get ready for where this is the most interesting. The bottom of this cloud tends to be very, very dark.

Cristina: Okay. That's already similarities probably to this God cloud thing. Yes. Okay.

Jack: Interesting, Right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So we have really, really bright and really, really dark coexisting. So this could potentially at a high level, a high grade, really old one, an ancient one, a powerful one. However they do whatever they do.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Maybe the ability to be overtaken by either side shows up, which could allude to it being this God being a type of mediocre cloud. Now, these clouds usually move in sync with the currents of air, so with wind currents in horizontal movements. So wind goes from left to right.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The cloud is going to be stretched out from left to right, so it's main shape. So when we draw clouds and it has like a pointy side and then it gets big and then gets small again towards the back.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The. With the middle being the high point. The shape that we drew is basically following the current of the wind in that image.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If we looked at it from the front, it would look perfectly spherical to us.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But if we look at it from the side, it looks stretched out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because it's moving with the wind and the wind is just in straight lines, or not straight lines, but the wind is currents. So it stretches out with the current.

Cristina: Yes. They're following the currents. Like birds.

Jack: Yes, like birds do. They're sort of gliding on the current, except their body kind of molds to it the way water would.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: There's a lot of similarities between clouds and water. They are closely related.

Cristina: Yeah. They're made out of ice. So.

Jack: Yes. Now, the mediocris cloud is where things begin to get strange when it comes to clouds, because this cloud shows up and with it temperature begins to drop.

Jack: Yes. What now doesn't necessarily mean snow.

Cristina: No.

Jack: It could be the middle of summer and this cloud shows up. It just means. Well, you're probably going to have a breezy day instead.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: You know, you don't have to think immediately. A plunge to zero and everybody's freezing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's just. It's going to get colder than it was.

Cristina: Okay. But it's not crazy.

Jack: Yeah. We have to understand the vast distance between us and the clouds and that we're not going to feel the effect as it feels so close to the cloud.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So while we might feel it's the middle of summer and it's 90 degrees and then a mediocre cloud shows up and it drops to 80. Up there it might have been 90 degrees. And when the mediocre cloud showed up, it dropped to 40. But we are very far apart.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: So the effects are felt very differently between us close range and us far range.

Cristina: Not very magical, but. Okay.

Jack: Well, it depends. We don't know if they're trying to influence us. And why would they? If there's a truce, they're probably trying to do the minimum so that we also do the minimum.

Cristina: Alright.

Jack: You get my point.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So there had. It would be crazy if they just casually f***** with our environment consistently. Like, then f*** your s***. We're gonna pollute the crap out of you and choke you all out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then go back to war the way it was whenever the f*** all of this got truced.

Cristina: Mm. I guess not. Because then they'll have their vampire clouds after us or something.

Jack: I'm sure those vampire clouds are also f****** with them.

Cristina: Ah. Yeah.

Jack: It's not just. I'm sure they weren't protecting us necessarily, just purely protecting themselves.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's like if we get angry at the cloud that's eating the people, then we try to wage war. And they don't want that because again, we can pollute their air.

Cristina: We have.

Jack: But they stay away from it.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. There's.

Jack: There's a mutual agreement. They destroy some of our s***. It's fine. It's give and take. They don't destroy the planet, we don't destroy the sky.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. That's perfect. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah, I guess. They wouldn't destroy the planet. They don't destroy the land.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And we don't destroy the sky. So fair. Now, these clouds are always seen ahead of the strata cumulus and the congestus clouds. These are two other type of clouds within the hierarchy. Right.

Cristina: Oh, all right.

Jack: Now let's move on to the next one. Right. So the strata cumulus. These are pack clouds. They're always together. Now, also, we're going based on size.

Cristina: We're going based on size.

Jack: We're going based on size.

Cristina: This is going to be bigger.

Jack: This is bigger. We're going from smaller to bigger. And we already began at the fact that the military clouds are all larger than all the other clouds.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So these are huge clouds. We're talking huge clouds. Monsters. And the strata cumulus is bigger than the mediocre cloud. And they travel in packs. You'll see many of Them together, moving. Huge herds of them, just traveling in packs. Giant, giant, giant, giant clouds.

Cristina: And what makes them different?

Jack: Well, they're known to be shaped in, like, rounder chunks, while the mediocre cloud is our typical looking cloud. It seems to be more fuzzy on the edges. It looks more sparsed, as opposed to the strata cumulus. That is the cloud that a child would draw where you would make the edges round. Like, literally bubbles glued together.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Before it was just a visual image. Does the edges of the clouds usually fade away? Normally speaking, and they're not perfectly round, but the idea of the shape, like if you took a paintbrush and you drew it the way, it would still have the same shape, but there'd be no perfectly round edges.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The strata cumulus cloud is that same cloud, but with perfectly round tops. Everything is like bubbles glued together. Bubbles. Giant bubble clouds moving everywhere.

Cristina: Like a kid's drawing. Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Kids drawing. And they move together. So there's a f*** ton of them.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Giant fleets of these things ten times larger than a mediocre cloud.

Cristina: They doing anything weird?

Jack: It depends on what you consider weird, because we already had the fact that the mediocre cloud drops the temperature, so we know that this is related to that. Now, these clouds, the stratocumulus clouds, are almost an omen of bad.

Cristina: Ooh. So are they, like dark clouds, though?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It's interesting that we have that mental image. But mostly what happens is clouds put together block off the sky, as opposed to the clouds themselves being dark.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, there are clouds that are dark.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And those clouds are not militarized clouds.

Cristina: Except the one before that has is dark, but with a bright top.

Jack: Dark on the bottom. Yes. That's a particularly interesting cloud. That's a weird dynamic going on there.

Cristina: But none of the other clouds are like that.

Jack: Well, all of the cumulus clouds have a flat bottom.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They all have a flat bottom, but they don't have a dark bottom, if that makes sense.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they're flat, and depending on how the light, that bottom could look dark. But for the mediocre cloud, that bottom is dark as opposed to looking dark.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Right.

Jack: So for the stratocumulus cloud, the bottom isn't dark. It could look dark.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And if it's tightly packed with water, it could be darker. But that's what makes the clouds dark. The rain within them. It's not necessarily that they're dark is that we're seeing less light through them.

Cristina: And why the. Why is this one The Omen?

Jack: Yes, it's an omen of bad because usually it causes extremely strong winds.

Cristina: Like tornadoes?

Jack: No, the winds that start to f*** with trees and the winds that start to create little dust devils and the winds that usually collide with one another. This cloud has the power to bring thunderstorms.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Which makes it a pretty interesting cloud.

Cristina: Could I picture this cloud with a tongue, though? Could you picture.

Jack: Now, here's the thing. If we're thinking of a cloud with a face, this is the most likely, Right? Because you think of the childish cloud that you draw a face on, and this is the same cloud you would draw a face on. You draw a bubbly cloud, and then you put a nice smiley face on it.

Cristina: And with the wind thing, you. You imagine a mouth blowing air or something.

Jack: Yes. You see how that works?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So there is an interesting visual going on here with the strata cumulus cloud fits the bill. Like, why did we start drawing this cloud with faces on it? This is the cloud that we've drawn throughout time with faces on it. None of the other clouds I've mentioned. It's specifically this cloud that we've drawn with faces on it. So we already have the first cloud that is the most unique cloud.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We got the second cloud that has the dark light feature.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. This is hard.

Jack: I'm telling you. This is. This is why Document is here, first place. And then we have this third cloud that is literally the cloud that throughout history we've drawn a face on. And this one brings with it when some wind and thunder.

Cristina: This is tough.

Jack: Okay, interesting. Now, keep in mind, I said thunderstorm, not lightning storm. Key thing here is sound. No flash, nothing dangerous. Okay, Interesting. Right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's creating roaring sounds.

Cristina: It makes it more. Maybe it is it. I don't know. I don't know.

Jack: It's vocalizing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Keep in mind that. Yes, thunder is the scream of a cloud.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's the war cry. The battle cry of a cloud is the battle cry done by the king of the clouds. The king of the clouds. Feel right. Could it just be the guy who blows the trumpet in the military that's not the king?

Cristina: No.

Jack: You know, now that guy is essentially this thing is the reason we drew a face on it, because these also have faces that we can see from the right angle because they are screaming, it's time for battle.

Cristina: That could be.

Jack: That could be it.

Cristina: We don't know.

Jack: But we know that these are the clouds we've drawn faces on, and we know that these clouds are Vocalizing. And we know that these. They're battle crying.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they bring strong winds with them. Now, these clouds come ahead of the congestus cloud. Interesting. Yes.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The congestious cloud. So this is a weird cloud because now we're entering the area of.

Cristina: And this one is also a little bit bigger than the other one.

Jack: A little bit is an understatement. So this cloud is a vertical cloud. Now, imagine if you took already the strata cumulus cloud, and then you stretched it out vertically so that it's tall.

Cristina: Okay. What?

Jack: These are the clouds that we see in photos that look like a wall moving forward.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But with the shape of the strata cumulus cloud, just very, very tall. So it's shaped like a tower. It's vertically outstretched. Now, this cloud shows up. Showers show it's bringing heavy rain with it or ice or snow, depending on the temperature.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Problems arrive where it shows up, and they are usually only present where there are strong winds, which seem to be made by the strata cumulus cloud. So the strata cumulus cloud introduces the.

Cristina: Congestus cloud, which sounds like something like. It sounds like something that would introduce the king.

Jack: Yes. Right. So he does the. The king. Introducing the king. And so this thing shows up. Boom, boom.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then this tall f****** cloud shows.

Cristina: Up and it comes. Rain comes with.

Jack: It either comes with a thunderstorm, with rain, with showers, a snowstorm, or a hailstorm.

Cristina: Whoa. That's pretty. I don't know. I don't know. But would that make, like. Would someone see faces in that type of cloud or claws or something? Like, would you be able to see shapes in something that looks like a tower?

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. It has a more humanoid look because it's outstretched in this way.

Jack: You know?

Cristina: Yeah. Maybe.

Jack: Problems? Oh, so confusing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: All of these s**** could be candidates for what we're looking for.

Cristina: Yes. Yes.

Jack: Because, again, the king, the leader, the God, the general, he doesn't look different from the soldiers. He's just another person. In fact, usually. Look at. Look at the mob, right? What do they do? They hire the biggest guys they can find.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're not usually the biggest guy. They're usually the brainiest guy, and they hire the biggest guys they find.

Cristina: So this can be.

Jack: Also a king does get introduced. We have a ceremony before the president walks up to a microphone.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We have the trumpets. Boop, boo, doo, boo. And then the president shows up.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So we have the ritual that says the following thing that's gonna come is the important thing. But we also know that bigger usually means the boss is smaller.

Cristina: Yeah, it means, like, it's the. It's the thing fighting. I don't know, it's. It seems more dangerous than leader, like.

Jack: Yes, exactly. Which brings an interesting outlook to the mediocre cloud. Because the mediocre's cloud shows up and he's not introducing anybody and he's, you know, he's not doing anything as opposed to being there and everything surrounding the mediocre cloud. And America's cloud fits the black white dynamic, the blinding white, the very, very dark.

Cristina: Exactly. Oh, no.

Jack: But the trumpet problem. Yeah, that's the weird part, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: On the flip side, it could be like old military days when we had a dude with a drum set. We just sent some dude to die in the front playing drums. Introducing the militia that's about to create h***.

Cristina: Yes. And that could be. That could be cloud.

Jack: So I'm thinking maybe that over the announcement of the king, but we don't know because we don't know what the f*** we're looking for.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We got no information on this guy.

Cristina: Are there many in this military. What do you mean, many different clouds?

Jack: I mean, there's many clouds, but they're not many different clouds.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah, most clouds are. They're all cumulus clouds. And there are only four types of cumulus clouds. We're looking at three of which are the main ones because the fourth one comes after this. You think we got to the end because I said three. The reason I saved the other one is because it also has a special name that we'll get to. So the congestious cloud not only is announced by the previous cloud and not only brings a heavy storm with it, whether it be rain, whether it be snow or ice, but it's, as we know, really, really tall.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And absorbently wide. It's got the width of the stratocumulus and the height of maybe 10 of them put together.

Cristina: It's a ridiculous cloud.

Jack: It's a ridiculous cloud. Also, important detail.

Cristina: What?

Jack: This cloud also has a battle cry.

Cristina: What? Then? No, it can't. What? Okay, yes.

Jack: Now, there's a vast difference between these two clouds, the stratocumulus and the congestus is. The loudness is very, very different. The stratocumulus is a focused, generalized. It's in a region, it's isolated, you know, and you can hear the. That's the sort of thunder that you hear that doesn't seem close. If it's far. But as opposed to the congestious. If it's far, you hear the rumble. Okay, that's a great way to describe it. You know the one that's like. That's one versus the boom.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Okay. The stratacumulus is a. The congestious is the boom.

Cristina: Boom. I don't know. I feel like that's more of an army thing too. Like, I don't see that as a big piece. I don't know. I don't know. This is hard to decide.

Jack: Yeah, we're looking for, like, f****** needle in a haystack at this point.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But the congestion cloud, always, always, always. As does the strata cumulus and the mediocris. They're always surrounding one other cloud.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yes, all of these clouds. Now, we don't usually see them because when they're like this, they're blocking off the height. We don't see the height. We're blocking off the sky. We can't see up.

Cristina: Yeah. And they're blocking off a cloud.

Jack: Well, the cloud is visible. We just can't tell the difference because we're seeing them all from the bottom.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The congestus cloud is not the biggest cloud. It's maybe one tenth the size of the biggest cloud.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Now following it is the cumulonimbus cloud.

Cristina: What a ridiculous name.

Jack: Yes. So the cumulonimbus cloud is about 10 times wider and about 10 times taller.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Huge f****** cloud. And it seems to stretch through all atmospheric levels from the lowest base, where a lot of civilian clouds hang out, to the tallest base where a lot of civilian clouds hang out, including the. Not civilian, singular, other cloud that hangs out at the very top. The chorus strata that creates a halo.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. I don't know.

Jack: This cloud stretches through all the different tiers.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, the visual I get from this cloud is when you think of old school military scenarios, and we would be walking, pushing a catapult on wheels.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Is this cloud the catapult?

Cristina: It does things too well.

Jack: Let's break that part down. So this cloud always, always, always surrounded by all the other clouds, never travels alone. That's already. Is this leader?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or is this the weapon?

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Right. That's the problem. We treat both equally. We worship our weapon the way we worship our leader. So we're problematic. We can't tell the difference because they seem so similar to us, except we can't tell the difference, but we know this is the single largest cloud that exists.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And there's Usually one amongst all the others. Yeah, There aren't many of them. All the other clouds repeat, there are others like them within the group. But when there's many, many clouds together. Okay, so you can see any of these other clouds I've mentioned before by themselves, it could happen.

Cristina: But this one, it can't.

Jack: You've. You'll never see it by itself.

Cristina: Never see it by itself. That's very.

Jack: Yes, it's being protected by other clouds. Regardless of the reason it's being protected.

Cristina: By the clouds, whether it's the weapon or the ruler.

Jack: Yes, then. Now the. The shape of this cloud is also really interesting. So assume it has the same shape as the congestion cloud. This is a strata cloud that's very, very tall, except the top of it is wider and so is the bottom, so it's very, very wide. And then it looks like a mushroom cloud, like a nuke just went off.

Cristina: Poof.

Jack: And then a cloud comes up, and then the cloud forms on top of. That's the shape it has.

Cristina: This has to be the king. I don't know. Or whatever the God like. It looks very. It sounds very.

Jack: Now here's the one exception to this cloud that does not apply to all the other clouds. It's made out of vapor and not ice. It's already different. Even the corestrata doesn't have this characteristic. Every other cloud is ice all the way up into the congestus cloud. They're all ice. And then we have the cumulonimbus, this giant. This giant f****** colossal monster, even bigger, made out of vapor instead. How is it holding together?

Cristina: Yeah, what is happening here?

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yes, but what kind of like if it is a weapon, what does it do?

Jack: Well, that's where the vapor actually comes into play, because vapor is water and it's collected water. And if this monster is so large, sometimes it's the size of cities. How much water is packed into one f****** place?

Jack: We're talking about a f****** monster. So let's break down. What happens when we see this monster. Anytime this monster is present, it's surrounded by a fleet of all the other cumulus clouds, as I've said, it immediately shows up with all the things and all the effects that they have.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The rains that they bring, the snows that they bring, the ice that they bring, the strong winds that they bring. All of that is present. There is a f****** stage. Now again, all of them could be by themselves. So all these things could happen in low degrees. But you see this big f****** monster. All of those things Must happen together. All of the abilities of all the other clouds must be happening together.

Cristina: Man, this has to be it. This has to be.

Jack: Yeah, because right now it's a song. It's an orchestra.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Everybody's doing their part. Why is everybody doing their part?

Cristina: Oh, we got a leader has arrived. Okay.

Jack: Has an interesting look to it already. Right. Now, air currents. You remember how I said the strata cumulus and the. Yeah, the strata cumulus lines up and the mediocre, they, like, follow the air currents. They stretch out in that way.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The thing creating the air currents is the cumulonimus cloud. Ah, interesting. So they're following orders.

Cristina: They're following the leader.

Jack: Now, is this the leader or just the higher ranking?

Cristina: No way. No. I don't know.

Jack: Because the problem is we still have the issue of the corestrada cloud, which it stands on its own. It's just a f****** one off by itself. Halo in the sky.

Cristina: But I don't know how you'd confuse that with a face.

Jack: Interesting. You got a point. You got a point. On the flip side, this cloud doesn't have light and dark attached to it. That seems exclusively tied to the mediocris cloud.

Jack: But then the cloud with the face is a stratocumulus cloud. We know. I'm pretty sure the congestus cloud does not count as a possibility because it seems to just be announcing something bigger, badder arriving, you know? Yeah, that seems to be the case here.

Cristina: Which would be the giant.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Mushroom.

Jack: Now, the question is, the stratocumulus cloud is also got a battle cry. It's the cloud that we draw with a face and it's screaming. Is it screaming orders or is it introducing the next problem, the congestious? Is the congestious screaming orders or is it announcing the next f****** problem?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: The cumulonimbus. Now, we've described the fact that it comes with many other clouds around it, all of the different cumulus clouds. And we've described the fact that it's the one directing the wind. Already kind of overpowered.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You're telling the wind what to do so that all the other clouds can move with more ease. You're overpowered because the wind is a different creature.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You have a different creature assisting you. Okay, we gotta look. We got some things to look at. Now this cloud shows up. What you thought I meant when I said that the strata cumulus cloud brings cold. And what you thought I meant when I said that the mediocre cloud brings cold. That's what this cloud does. The temperature f****** plummets.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: Powerful.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It just sinks it. This is. This cloud shows up and you went from 70 to 40.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: There you go.

Cristina: That has. I don't know. I don't know. That's. Now, that sounds pretty powerful.

Jack: It sounds pretty powerful. It's absurd how powerful this thing really is, because first this cloud shows up. All these other disasters, there's every other feature from every other cloud that's within this military and organized structure shows up. But things that don't even. That aren't even their previously show up.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Well, first, directing the wind. That's a different creature. Yeah, but let's stick to the theme of directing different creatures. Let's just stay there real quick. Tornadoes obey. This f****** cloud.

Cristina: Come on.

Jack: It shows up and tornadoes just follow orders.

Cristina: Waiting for Tony, because it's already telling.

Jack: The air what to do. It tells wind currents what to do. That's the water of the sky. It's telling the wind current what to do, which means air listens. So it's telling all the airs, all the winds what to do. Now, other clouds interact with some of the winds. You know, they got gusts here. Gusts. So they have small control over the winds.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But this cloud controls the air currents. Those are huge winds. It controls the biggest winds. Great.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But also the winds that directly come down and interact with Earth.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: All the other clouds avoid f****** with us on any major scale. This s*** shows up and it will.

Cristina: Just straight attack us with tornadoes.

Jack: With tornadoes. Right off the bat.

Cristina: Yes. This has to be it there. This has to be.

Jack: Now we think, oh, wow, you've maxed out on power already.

Cristina: There's more.

Jack: There's one more non f****** cloud creature that the cumulonimbus controls. And it's arguably the most dangerous of all the creatures. Including what seems to be more dangerous than the cumulonimbus cloud that's controlling a tornado.

Cristina: How?

Jack: Because lightning. Keep in mind, all the others are screaming. They got thunder. But lightning that shares the same battle cry as the clouds.

Cristina: The gods control thunder. Or at least Zeus did. Come on. This is Zeus. This is cloud. Zeus.

Jack: Cloud Zeus. It's kind of crazy, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So this cloud shows up and we have two different types of winds. The largest wind and the second most powerful wind obeying orders. We have lightning. Lightning obeying orders. Oh, s***.

Cristina: That's ridiculous.

Jack: None of these three features happened before minus the. The wind control. Some have small degrees of that. Gusts here or whatever. Not over powered gusts and wind currents and f****** tornadoes.

Cristina: The weather.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Like, not like this is the kind.

Jack: Of level still exists to stop.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Well, Steve, now, Steve. Yes. So that's just talking about what the f*** now what the f*** does this bring? It shows up. All the other storms are already happening from all the other clouds.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So what does this thing have to offer? Well, before ice, but this has what they call hailstones.

Cristina: What's that? What?

Jack: You've seen Those videos on YouTube of Hail the size of softballs coming from the sky.

Cristina: It's coming out of this vapor cloud.

Jack: This cloud is making ice out of its own vapor and it's coming down, raining, about as powerful as a tornado. So it's not just controlling lightning and controlling tornadoes and controlling the wind currents.

Cristina: This is a ridiculous.

Jack: It's manifesting softball sized ice that rains down and plummets and destroys.

Cristina: It's ridiculous.

Jack: Yep. And it's the extreme hailstorms is what they're considered. And they drop hailstones.

Cristina: This thing probably is the thing that got rid of those vampire like clouds.

Jack: That's probably who they called in. Yes. And all things considered, we're assuming these vampire clouds are still down here and that's why these military things are still rolling around.

Cristina: Mm. It could still be the leader. It could be the strongest and the leader at the same time. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah, it could be. And additionally, the mixture of all the clouds surrounding it and the tornadoes and the lightning and the air currents shifting and all of this syncs up to create flash flooding that happens instantaneously. So it also interacts with the water at ground level and rises it. So it brings the water up. It sends everyone. It does all the things.

Cristina: It does all the things. Wow.

Jack: Godlike power.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's the only cloud here that doesn't fit the suit of what we're looking for because it doesn't have the ability to change color. It's not the cloud that we've, for whatever reason, attached a face to forever. And it doesn't seem to be a cloud giving orders in any way. We can hear. We can hear the strata cumulus and the congestion talking.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Whether giving orders or announcing something, we can hear them communicating. We know the strata cumulus is the only one with two features we're looking for because it's the same one that throughout history we've drawn with a face. So that's. That's a high contender there.

Cristina: That is.

Jack: But it's just a normal colored cloud as opposed to the mediocre cloud that can go from black to white and white to black. But none of them are as unique and stand on their own the way the corestrada does.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But none of these clouds individually are anything to worry about except the cumulonimbus cloud. But also is that true? Because a cumulonimbus cloud is relying on the collective effort and it has control of other things. Those are dangerous. It's control of other things. And the hail ability it has that nothing else has. But the amount of rain, the collective number of clouds affecting wind. All these other things.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Are playing together. So is it this overpowered or is it the fact that it's only around when everybody's together, the band is together. I can play a flute alone. And my flute isn't dangerous, but I can play a flute, part of my orchestra, and a f****** colossal epic sound comes from that same flute as part of this bigger picture. Is it the flute or is it itself, the orchestra? And it doesn't need all the other parts. We don't know. Because it's never alone. The fact that it's never alone gives it, I guess, it and the Strata Cumulus both are high contenders because they have two features at least, because this one is the strongest by miles.

Cristina: I have an idea. It sucks. It's a sucky idea. But because we already know there's blood drinking clouds. What if this godlike cloud, like other God like beings, can shapeshift and can.

Jack: Go from one to another?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh, I never considered shape shifting clouds because we see them actively shapeshift, but we're just confusing what we're looking at. They're not really shape shifting.

Cristina: They're not really. But what if this God cloud can do that?

Jack: The question is if it's a shape shifting cloud. Okay, okay, finish your thought, Finish your thought. Because I'm trying to piece it together. So it shape shifts, right?

Cristina: Yeah. So it could be any of these clouds at any moment. So it could be the dark cloud that they see that turns to a light cloud.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: But it's because it's maybe really two different clouds.

Jack: Interesting. So it could just be really dark one moment, really bright the next. And if this were the case, assuming like most gods, there's a neutrality to them, to go from a literal halo in the sky to a demonic monster that drops softball f****** size hail and controls every element.

Cristina: It sounds very godlike, like from the stories of like they could be very violent.

Jack: Yes. And we know most gods are people who upgraded sometime before our knowledge and record and became these overpowered things. So Zeus was a guy. Jehovah was a guy. Like, these are people who figured out usually fear or adrenochrome and work their way up there. We assume the clouds have something similar.

Cristina: That's exactly what I'm thinking. The clouds might have something similar. And this one cloud was like the other clouds. But something of course happened and whatever.

Jack: Happened to it might be the same thing that caused the vampire clouds occurred.

Cristina: Yes. They might.

Jack: They might find the same thing. Well, you just made it more complicated because how are we gonna find this f****** thing? If it shape shifts and it could be any type of cloud, then we can't find it within the clouds. Because we also don't know which clouds are changing at any given moment. Because we thought they were all changing. We didn't know they were individual clouds. Only upon deeply digging do we realize clouds aren't changing shapes. They just look like they're merging and shifting to us at a distance.

Cristina: Well, if there's one, that one will stand out. If we now know that none of them are changing except for one, then it should be easier to notice.

Jack: We'd have to be looking when he's changing. Yes, that's the problem.

Cristina: The birds will do it for us.

Jack: Well, we have to. Well, the problem is nobody talks about him. The clouds don't talk about him. Humans don't talk about him. He's elusive.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We got nothing but records on everybody else. Even Santa Claus, who f****** figured out how to stay out of the picture and get everything he needs. We have nothing but abundance on him. He still relies on being recognized as opposed to. He changes it in that he's not feared and he doesn't give you a bunch of arbitrary rules. But we still know about him. Yeah, the cloud. The one difference we seem to have with the clouds, because there's a lot of similarities apparently. But the big difference we seem to have with the clouds is the fact that their leader is quiet. We don't know s*** about him.

Cristina: But we have an animal that might help us out.

Jack: Phil.

Cristina: Once he. Steve.

Jack: Steve. Yeah.

Cristina: Once he figures out his powers, like maybe he'll be able to sense it. We don't know how his powers evolve.

Jack: Oh, God. Yes. You got it. You got it. You figured out. You figured out. Yes. 100.

Cristina: 100 to that that's noticed something different. Something different about these clouds. If we talk. We gotta educate him on this stuff.

Jack: Yes. Had we asked Phil, maybe he would have, man. Then maybe wouldn't have. But like Phil had. He doesn't owe a s***. But Had Phil been around. He. Maybe he's many times interacted with this thing.

Cristina: Yeah, we have no idea. But we never got to talk to him.

Jack: Yes, but Steve. Well, he literally had to f******. Yeah, whatever. We had to f****** kill him ourselves. That sucks. Anyways, Steve, maybe he'll be able to send some.

Cristina: Holy s***.

Jack: Okay, you solved it. You solved it. We. So we do need. Unquestionably undoubtedly, we need Steve. There's no way we can figure this out.

Cristina: Yeah, we need to, like, get his training up or something, you know? Like, I know he's still training, but.

Jack: He'S got a. I mean, he's already doing a good enough job to have stopped whatever apocalypse was starting.

Cristina: Yeah. So hopefully this task isn't impossible for him.

Jack: Well, my question would be, is Steve. Well, Phil, in this case, was Phil keeping the clouds at bay? We think there's a truce, but the second we didn't have Phil, they went wild. They went wild. So there was. They were being kept in check.

Cristina: They immediately covered have been communication then.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And maybe the response wasn't because s*** went haywire. Maybe it's because they know we killed them. As opposed to anything. The communication cut and they're like, you f****** killed the homie.

Cristina: Yes. They knew something went wrong.

Jack: They knew something went wrong.

Cristina: And they were freaking out.

Jack: And they were freaking the f*** out.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We're learning. Okay.

Cristina: They're like us. We would freak out.

Jack: Yes. 100%.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If the clouds took out Phil, we would have a problem.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Fair. Fair. Okay. Yes. All the pieces come together. Yes. So right now, Steve is somehow communicating with him in a sense that we don't understand. A way that his powers are allowing to communicate. And maybe he can. We just got to ask him.

Cristina: Yeah. He might not even understand until we really educate him on this too. Yeah, he's just really figuring out it's Phil.

Jack: Yeah, maybe you think it's Phil. And they're like, okay, cool.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting. Okay, we got questions, answers, and a way to track this f****** guy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Man, this is just complicated. So now we can track Akashita, hopefully. And we can see what Steve knows.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If he knows anything. And if he doesn't, we can educate him on what we just discovered. And using that information, boom, we're good.

Cristina: Mm. And we'll figure out if this God does turn into different clouds or not.

Jack: But you should be able to send some figure out.

Cristina: Yes, exactly. So.

Jack: And then we can get him to help us. Oh, perfect. We got. We didn't think about this before, but Phil Might have just been communicating with them. And they were on his side and they were helpful and he was the mediator.

Cristina: Man. We had that answer all along.

Jack: We had the answer all along and then we f****** killed it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We had to. It was them, him or us.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So, f***, he was gonna die up there anyways. If he killed all of us. We still didn't have what he needed. He was just gonna suffocate out there.

Cristina: That was some weird. That was a weird week.

Jack: And then what is gonna. What would have happened? Well, actually, he's in the Shadow Realm, so it's only a matter of time before we have to deal with that problem.

Cristina: Who's in the shadow Realm?

Jack: Phil.

Cristina: I thought we murdered him.

Jack: Exactly. But he was on adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So he goes to the shadow Realm. So it's only a matter of time before. That's another problem. We didn't think about this too well, but that's okay. Now we know we gotta anticipate this. We gotta be ready, because he might actually go after Steve. So Steve needs training. Training?

Cristina: Yes. To fight some evil ghost Phil.

Jack: Some Shadow Realm Phil. Gin Phil.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Yet. Okay. Anyways. Anyways, hopefully you guys like the breakdown that we just went through, because we definitely needed this information. And thank you to Christy here for piecing that together, because it was not clicking in my f****** head. But yes, definitely. To all of it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Good.

Cristina: Train Steve before he probably gets killed by Phil.

Jack: Yeah, train Steve so he doesn't get killed by Phil. And so he could understand how to track Akashita. And so that he can tell us whether it was him keeping the clouds at bay and that they weren't. The temperature didn't freak the f*** out. Weather didn't freak out.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They were reacting.

Cristina: Communicate. Well, what's the plan?

Jack: We're trying to get them to side with us because we have a mutual enemy, which is the cat people.

Cristina: Okay, so they're going to go with us to space.

Jack: No, we're going to communicate. We're going to get them to talk to the gaseous planets and to tell us what's happening. To give us answers.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that if this is the case, then because these stars have the ability to work through entanglement, perhaps they can communicate with the prisoner stars. Maybe we can go free stars. Have stars on our f****** side and elevate how we interact. Go to other f****** galaxies and do s***.

Cristina: All right, all right. Wow.

Jack: We're at the cusp of our power going.

Cristina: This is ridiculous.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We're playing at the level of gods. And it works because now we have a God on our side. Yes, it helps to have a God on your side. Anyways, I hope you guys like this conversation. There are many others like it. You could find out how Phil f****** died in the first place that required us to make Steve and get his help. You can find out all the different God conversations we've had that one time we have to deal with the f****** weather, the things that led to all the disasters surrounding that week. It's literally called disaster week.

Cristina: You go look so much disasters.

Jack: Yeah. So s***'s hitting the fan left and right.

Cristina: We're f****** fixing things, cleaning it up.

Jack: You can also go find out about the cat people and any other mythological creatures that there might be that might all just be science related one way or another. Well, not really. There are some creatures with powers, including things from the shadow realm, which you might also want to encounter because Phil is eventually gonna come back for us. You know, a bunch of s***. All of that is on the feed. You can go get that anywhere you get your podcast or on the official website, greathoughts.info or an Apple podcast, Spotify, blah, blah, blah.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok. UsConvopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe if you want more stuff like this. It's how you get informed on what's happening here in universe one. And if you are from universe three, think about all the things you're missing and you can hear us reporting on it. So remember to subscribe and rate, review.

Cristina: The show and let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes, word of mouth, viciously important in these days when we need everybody and everybody to know what's going on. So tell people. Tell people to listen to what's happening right under their noses. The things that we protect them from.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: I don't know. I mean, the point is that they're not in danger because we deal with it.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So, like, they don't need to know if you're curious. I guess if you know people who are curious, tell them.

Cristina: Yeah. And this has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: I like the ones from, like the actual ones from the show called the Ghost Hunters. I haven't seen that in years. I don't know if they're still alive.

Cristina: Are they still any good?

Jack: But their methods, I like at least their claim, which was that they're not there to prove a place is haunted. They don't. Or they approach it like they don't believe in ghosts. They're skeptical about everything. They go there to disprove the haunting.

Cristina: And I think find some reasonable explanation of what's going on, and I think.

Jack: That'S the right way. They're using the scientific method.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 131: Mythological Beasts

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Do black cats have magical abilities? Does any animal have magical abilities? If so, which ones and how did they acquire these abilities to begin with? The duo unpacks the magic of black cats and the folklore in which certain Pokemon are based on this episode of Just Conversation.

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  • Black Cats
  • Witches
  • Pirates
  • Storm Troopers
  • General Grievous
  • Pokemon
  • Magical Foxes
  • Mythical Creatures
  • God Fox

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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Cristina: Welcome to Just Conversations, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

Cristina: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notifications the second new episodes are released.

Jack: Yes. And also, this show is most enjoyable with the listening partner. So be sure to find somebody in the middle of the woods that was just wandering in a casual pace and stop them. Hold your phone out while the show is playing and say, hey, this is just conversation in the woods. In the woods.

Cristina: And you're gonna what?

Jack: Yeah, you can be playing it on your phone. Maybe Spotify. Cause that's where podcasts happen these days. Because Apple's being beat out.

Cristina: Yes. And.

Jack: And so on Spotify, you're gonna. You're gonna podcast, you can play the podcast and you're gonna. I guess if you have it on Apple anywhere, you have the podcast, you can find the podcast anywhere. So go there, play it on your phone. Presumably you can play. I mean, you could bring your computer, you're gonna bring your laptop into the woods, playing the podcast with a boombox on the side that it's connected to.

Cristina: That's mad work.

Jack: Hey, it's gonna work.

Cristina: I feel like people hearing that would just walk away from it.

Jack: If they hear a conversation happening and it's very entertaining, they're probably going to try to find out where it's coming from.

Cristina: Is it nighttime?

Jack: No, it could be in daylight.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They just think, wow, this is really cool. There's somebody having, like a really loud, odd conversation.

Cristina: That is very strange. But be careful in those woods because what if there are, I don't know, black cats in the woods?

Jack: Black cats?

Cristina: Where do black cats come from? Are there wild black cats?

Jack: I would. Of course. Why wouldn't there be? There's.

Cristina: In the woods, there's wild cats.

Jack: I'm sure there's like actual. Just cats, like domesticated cats in the woods.

Cristina: I can't. I don't know. I don't know how. If there's.

Jack: I'm sure, Look, I'm sure it happened like there were cats. There were normal cat, like, big lion things that we tamed and turned into little kitty cats. And then after we had so many of them. They're everywhere.

Cristina: They're everywhere.

Jack: They're everywhere. Everybody lives somewhere with a f*** ton of just wild cats, but they're the domesticated Version of the cat that lives amongst people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Those can still live in the woods or you could still run across like a lynx or some s***. Just casual, tiny, big cat.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, be careful. I guess be careful of that lynx, but whatever. We're worried about black cats right now. Be careful that black cat. Because it can steal your luck. Is that what it does?

Jack: What black cats?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They're allegedly bad luck.

Cristina: Yeah. If they walk away from you, they steal your luck.

Jack: If they walk away from you.

Cristina: I don't. This is a weird way. Like if they walk away from you because that means that they were next to you. But if they come to you, you get good luck. So I don't know how it works.

Jack: Yeah. I don't understand why is it that it coming? So it's the reaper of luck next to you, I guess the reaper of luck.

Cristina: It's the reaper of luck.

Jack: While the grim reaper is the reaper of souls. Or we could say Grimm is the reaper of souls. He comes towards you to either deliver a soul or leaves extracting a soul.

Cristina: And the cat's doing that one.

Jack: The cat would be the same. It's the black cat is the reaper of luck.

Cristina: But how is it walking away from you? Like that means it came by you, gave you good luck, and then walked away to take away the luck.

Jack: I guess the other way would be if you walked up to a black cat. So the goal should be never walk up to a black cat. Always let it come to you. Which is a very cat like thing to do anyways. You don't want to follow the cat.

Cristina: Unless they learn that this is what you're trying to do. Because cats are evil. If they know this is what you're thinking, somehow they're just gonna do the opposite of what you want. No matter what it is that you want, they're gonna do the opposite.

Jack: Yes, that is definitely the case.

Cristina: That's a very cat thing to do.

Jack: Yeah. Cats like to flip everybody off all day.

Cristina: Yeah. So there's Some people think that black cats are bad luck. Some people think they're good luck. The Celtics believe that black cats were sacred. I don't know if they were worshipping the black cats or what were they doing, but they were sacred to those people.

Jack: Yeah. I think they were sacred to the Egyptians as well.

Cristina: Oh, that's cool. They were probably seen as gods there too or something.

Jack: I think so. I think so. Anubis is consistently shown as some sort of cat guy.

Cristina: Yeah. Yes, he is right. One of them as a black cat. Right.

Jack: As a black cat. Yeah.

Cristina: So there's a thing there. And in Scottish lore, black cats, when they come to a new home, it means prosperity. I guess if you adopt a black cat, you're going to get some good luck happening. That's prosperity, right? Good luck still? Yeah, I guess with money, maybe. Yeah, yeah. In Welsh lore, black cats bring good health, but in England, black cats are related to witches and bring bad luck. And sometimes they think the witches, the black cats are the witches, like they somehow transform into people or people transform into cats.

Jack: I wonder where this comes from because like all these creature transforming things, like Dracula becomes a bat.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What the f*** is that about?

Cristina: I think he also becomes a wolf. Wolf.

Jack: Dracula.

Cristina: I think so. I think he turns into many things.

Jack: I think we actually established he's just. Yeah, I think we just. Yeah, he's f******. He turns into just totally non living s*** as well. So I think we established that he's just some sort of shapeshifter. So I guess it doesn't matter.

Cristina: Yeah. So witches are just.

Jack: They're using magic to shapeshift. They can do whatever. F*** too. Yeah, yeah, fair enough.

Cristina: Were they using the same magic that vampires are using?

Jack: Yeah. My question is, is a vampire using magic or is it. Does he. Is it a f******. Just shapeshifter? He's a shapeshifter.

Cristina: Then are wishes, even wishes, like, we're calling them magical beings. But what if they're just shapeshifters that we're calling magical? But you know, they're just shapeshifting, they're just doing what they naturally do, which is.

Jack: Well, that would be wrong because we're assuming they're like, you could become a witch with just practice and training.

Cristina: No, but the ones that they're seeing that are turning into cats, those are.

Jack: The ones that we'd be talking about. If the logic would be, in theory, you could grab a couple of Wiccan books, go home, practice for the next year, meet me in a year and be like, look, I'm gonna turn into a cat.

Cristina: What? Yes, I wanna do that witchy s***.

Jack: That should. That would be the logic. So you're still human. You're not not human just because you're witch.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You just know you're human, who knows magic.

Cristina: But with the black cat on pirate ships, they believe the opposite of black cats, that if they walk towards you, they're bringing bad luck. But if they're from you, they're giving you good luck. And whenever a black cat walks onto a ship.

Jack: Wait, wait, wait. In both Cases, they walk towards you. What?

Cristina: No, the first one is walk. If it walks towards you, it's bringing you bad luck, and if it walks away from you, it's bringing you good luck.

Jack: Okay?

Cristina: And if it walks onto a ship and then walks out of the ship, the ship is gonna sink.

Jack: And. Okay, so let's say a cat did that and the ship didn't sink. Then what?

Cristina: Maybe it wasn't really a black cat. I don't know.

Jack: And, like, why does the cat's fur affect the universe?

Cristina: Because I guess that's just people's superstition about the color black.

Jack: Why did that happen, though? Right?

Cristina: Well, black became evil, and white became black.

Jack: Black evil. And, like, red is a close second.

Cristina: Red is close second. What?

Jack: Red eyes.

Cristina: Red eyes.

Jack: Oh, yeah, the red lightsaber.

Cristina: The red lightsaber. Oh, okay, yes.

Jack: Darth Vader's both. He's black with a red lightsaber.

Cristina: Oh, crap. He's the ultimate evil. What? But I guess all the evil guys are in black with red lasers. Besides the, like, losers that are in white.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. They all have red.

Cristina: Oh, but they don't have lightsabers.

Jack: Who? The.

Cristina: The ones in white.

Jack: The stormtroopers.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: I mean, they're bad guys. I know, but at the beginning, they were good guys. They were only white because they were lying.

Cristina: What?

Jack: They were. They're part of the bad side, so.

Cristina: They were wearing white.

Jack: Well, they're neither good nor bad. They are soldiers, okay? And their orders were, you help these people until you get different orders. And then they did get different orders.

Cristina: To not help those people tonight just.

Jack: Kill all of them. It's like, we're soldiers. This is what we do. We don't question it. We just do it.

Cristina: Was. What's his name? Darth Vader, when he was a young kid and he was training, was his lifesaver black? I mean, red or.

Jack: I believe he had a green one or blue one.

Cristina: Does it change colors once you become evil, though? Or do you just get a new lifesaver?

Jack: I think they gave him a new lightsaber.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Because I was wondering, like, does the lifesaver know you're evil or good or whatever? Because then you could just take the lightsaber away if you know that the person's evil if they get interesting.

Jack: Interesting point, because the idea here is I remember that they picked up the other's lightsaber. I believe Anakin. I believe Obi dropped his lightsaber, and Anakin picked it up, and then he had a blue And a green lightsaber. So, like, they didn't both become green or both become blue. It wasn't him projecting the color.

Cristina: Okay. Okay. So this is just a fashion choice. And then guys and bad guys are.

Jack: General Grievous, who's some sort of robot thing with four arms, picked up their lightsabers. Or actually he was wielding lightsabers from dead Jedi, and they were still blue and green along with his red ones.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Or he had no red ones. I think he killed people for all of them. Okay, so he had two blue ones and two green ones.

Cristina: He can do the same magic trick stuff.

Jack: I don't think General Grievous has the.

Cristina: Force, but he can use the Lifesavers.

Jack: Yes. I. I'm not really sure how the. That. I never really thought. This is so many holes in this garbage. Oh, my God.

Cristina: And we don't really know everything about Is general stuff.

Jack: Oh, man. I gotta look this up at some point.

Cristina: He might be a. What are they called?

Jack: He's some sort of Jedi thing. Yeah. Like, maybe he's not all robot androids be. I'm just assuming he has some humanity.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Yes, I think so. In Japan, though, ladies that are single get black cats because they think it brings them luck with dates and stuff. Like, they'll get more dates if they have a black cat.

Jack: That's interesting. I don't know why that would be the case.

Cristina: I don't know. Because they think black cats are good luck with love. Like the other place thought with health, and another place was, like, with money.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Black cats are needed to go hunting for treasure in Chile from a creature called the carbuncle. It's some magical creature. It looks like a cat or a dog or fireflies. And it's glowy, and it might have a gem that glows on it. There's like a bunch of different descriptions of what it looks like. Kind of like the Loch Ness Monster, where it's just. It looks like something similar to this. Like, they're all describing something that's somewhat similar, I guess, but not really to.

Jack: The Loch Ness monster.

Cristina: No, like in the Loch Ness monster stories, they were like that. Like, some of them saw it. It had a long neck. Some of them were like. No, it had. I don't know, like, the descriptions of the. When we did the Loch Ness monsters, there's a bunch of different descriptions of the creature.

Jack: Those descriptions were pretty similar.

Cristina: Well, the one that was. They saw outside of the car. They saw it outside of the car. And it looked. It sounded like more, I think, like an Alex Gator or something.

Jack: Outside of the car.

Cristina: Yeah. Or a motorcycle or something. They were just driving by the place and they just saw it on the street.

Jack: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like sunbathing or some s*** or something.

Cristina: Yeah. And I don't think that one just. It was described similar to the other ones.

Jack: Yeah. But I feel like the, like, 99.99% of the other ones are kind of the same s***.

Cristina: This one, I guess it's. Whatever. It's very varied of the description except that it's glowy. That's the only thing that they all seem to have in common.

Jack: Can hunt the glowing thing?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because of the cat's glowing eyes.

Cristina: The cat's glowing eyes.

Jack: You ever seen a cat in the dead of dark?

Cristina: Oh, yes. I don't know. Because it has to be specifically a black cat. I don't know why?

Jack: Because black cat powers, man.

Cristina: Black cat powers. Yes. If you want to catch a carbuncle, you want to see a picture of a carbuncle, though. It's a very cute little creature right there. Look at it. It's adorable. It has a gem on its head.

Jack: It looks something between like Jolteon from Pokemon and a Phoenix Fox.

Cristina: Yes. Yes, it does. And it is adorable, right?

Jack: It's basically a Pokemon.

Cristina: Yes. Wouldn't you want to catch that yourself?

Jack: Catching any Pokemon is slavery and kind of abuse.

Cristina: Wouldn't it be like catching a pet or something? Are you saying pets are like that? I don't know, because I'm not talking about catching it and then battling people with your kabunkulo.

Jack: You're talking about putting. Crushing it into a sphere. No, a sphere that is roughly the size of a Pokeball.

Cristina: I don't mean about catching it like a Pokeball with a Pokeball. I mean catching it like, I don't know, with. In a cage cave into some sort.

Jack: Of mythical creature or some s***.

Cristina: Yes. But they think it's real. Okay.

Jack: This is like a Chupacabra.

Cristina: This is the Chupacabra of Chile. And to get the treasure of this is very complicated. And I'm going to share with you how to do this, because it's crazy, but it's awesome. It's crazy awesome. Okay, you see this creature? What you got to do is throw a lasso at it. Then it will disappear with a lasso, and then you got to come back in the morning to see where the lasso is, because it's going to be buried in the Ground, but with a little bit of it sticking out. And you'll know that's where the treasure is. Sort of.

Jack: Because not really the treasure is where the. So you can't catch a creature.

Cristina: No, sadly, this is just for the treasure that the creature has.

Jack: Okay. Now this is some sort of cat thing itself. It's like a fox.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why does it have treasure?

Cristina: It's like the leprechaun, I guess.

Jack: The leprechaun is like a person, so.

Cristina: No, it's not. It's a fairy creature thing. Ghost. It's pretty complicated.

Jack: Pretty self aware. Consciously, like humanoid.

Cristina: So maybe this thing is the same too.

Jack: It just doesn't look it, I guess, but I guess, sure, sure.

Cristina: It looks like a fairy. Who knows it's a fairy.

Jack: It does not look like a fairy. It looks like a fox.

Cristina: It looks like a magical fairy fox thing. Okay.

Jack: Looks like a pretty plain fox.

Cristina: Okay. With the gem on its head.

Jack: Yeah. We'll assume fur colored differently.

Cristina: Okay, well, this fox thing has treasure for some reason. Maybe it just. I don't know why you would have treasure. Maybe like shiny things. It collects shiny things. Like the thing on its head.

Jack: Like birds.

Cristina: Oh, like birds. Yeah.

Jack: Maybe you don't find it in a.

Cristina: Box because it would be weird if you actually find the treasure and it's in a treasure box. Oh, I think it is in a treasure box. Never mind. It's in a treasure box. You do find it in a treasure box. That's amazing. This is a magical fox thing. I don't know. Oh, yes, but. So you go there in the morning, you see the rope, you gotta leave. Well, you don't have to leave. You should leave though, because what you'll need next is a new shovel and a widow. And she has to be holding a black cat.

Jack: A widow, yes.

Cristina: This is part of the plan. I don't know how they came up with this plan.

Jack: Get to the gold.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The treasure. Didn't you already find where the treasure is?

Cristina: It's more complicated than that. That's where it's gonna be.

Jack: Except that it's not there yet.

Cristina: It's not there at all. It was there maybe. And then I guess this cat is magical. So it moves the treasure to different spots, underground, on the ground until it gets tired of using its magic to move it. And then it's there. I guess that's how it goes. That's how I think it works. Because. Okay, so with the new shovel, you're gonna dig that hole and then you're gonna throw the cat in the hole.

Jack: So you can bury the cat in the hole.

Cristina: No. And then the cat's gonna disappear. And then while you're digging the next hole, the cat's gonna reappear in the old lady's hand.

Jack: And the old lady's not gonna freak out.

Cristina: I'm guessing she knows. She's been through this a lot. I don't know how. Like maybe the first time.

Jack: Every town has an old lady whose job it is to hold a cat.

Cristina: The black cat. Yep.

Jack: When you're looking for gold because of some sort of demon fairy fox thing.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know how the first. Like, how they came up with this crazy plan in the first place that worked out like this. They must have tried a million other things right before they thought, like, What? It was this random old widow lady. Like, how did they come get that stuff? How did they get the cat? Did they try dogs? Did they try young girls? Did they try little boys?

Jack: Like, interesting.

Cristina: How many? Okay, so they got. You got the old lady, you got the cat. You keep digging holes, you throw the cat in. Eventually you'll hit the right spa.

Jack: Like, just go rob a bank. It's. It's that era where that's easy to do. What I feel like it would be less steps and you have more chances of succeeding. All these steps and that treasure might not even, like, be great.

Cristina: Yes. And also, if you show any fear, you'll be poisoned when you open the box.

Jack: Sweet. So you'll also die.

Cristina: See? See, It's. It's definitely a treasure. I don't know it's worth risking your life for, but I'm. I'm guessing it's really cool. Like, what would this little ador. Terrible thing be hiding? It must be amazing. It's gotta be. Maybe it's his puppies.

Jack: Maybe it's not even. Maybe it's just garbage. Hoarding garbage sticks.

Cristina: Sticks.

Jack: You open it as it sticks.

Cristina: That's so disappointing.

Jack: It's treasure, not your treasure.

Cristina: Oh, that's. That's crappy. And how did it get the poison in the box?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: That only knows. Like, it knows when you're fear. When you're showing fear, when you're digging holes and then the poison let out. This is. There's a lot of magic happening here with this creature.

Jack: Yeah, it seems to be the case.

Cristina: Yes. So I wonder how they even came up with this weird way of catching it.

Jack: Whoever thinks magic is. Whoever thinks this creature even exists is prone to just crazy s***. So they just like, stack like 12 different superstitions on top of each other.

Cristina: Yes. Also part of the. Besides, if you have any fear, you'll die, of course. But if you don't throw the cat in the hole, you can also die. You have to throw the cat in the hole.

Jack: Even if it won't stay in the hole.

Cristina: Even if it don't. Yeah. Because it's gonna, you know, disappear anyway or whatever. But yes. And you said that thing looks like what again?

Jack: Like a Phoenix Fox.

Cristina: Like a Phoenix Fox. But it reminded you of a Pokemon.

Jack: Jolteon.

Cristina: Jolteon? Why?

Jack: Jolteon kinda looks like Jolteon or Flareon. Flambo is one of the eons.

Cristina: Well, I'm going to say that it's based on. Or I guess the Pokemon that's based on it is Espeon.

Jack: Espeon doesn't have a diamond in its head.

Cristina: It doesn't?

Jack: Oh, Espeon does. I was thinking, for whatever reason, Vaporeon.

Cristina: And it's a psychic.

Jack: Yeah. And I don't know if that fluffy tail like this thing.

Cristina: Well, we don't know what its tail really looks like.

Jack: The one who does have a fluffy tail is Flareon.

Cristina: Yeah, that's true. But it's a psychic. Can we describe these powers as psychic? I don't know. When you have magic powers, is that psychic?

Jack: No.

Cristina: No. Okay, we'll just say that the diamond is what makes it look Espeon.

Jack: Yeah, because otherwise it looks like Flareon.

Cristina: Yeah. And there's another. There's. If so, Espeon is probably based on that, but also another creature, another from another mythology, which is a Japanese one called the Nekomata. And this creature has. It's a cat. It's a really. When your cat gets super duper, duper old instead of, I guess, dying, it just. Its tail will split up into. And then it becomes evil. It becomes evil and wants to eat you.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Yes. That's what the Neca Mata is. There are two types of neck omadas. There's one that lives in the mountain. The mountain ones have eyes like a cat and a body of a dog, which is, I guess, very scary. I don't know, because. What's the. What about the face? No, I think it has the body of a dog. So it has probably the face of a dog with a cat eyes. I don't know if that's really that scary. But they describe it as a beast. I don't know if you think of that as a beast.

Jack: I mean, a beast is anything that's not human.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Well, I guess dogs Are beasts everything that's not human. Oh, okay. So, yes. Well, this beast is very dog like, even though it's a cat. They eat humans and they live deep in the mountains, and they also shapeshift.

Jack: Into humans because everything shape shifts into humans.

Cristina: Yes. And then the other type that I told you already was the domestic cat, Nekomata, which is just a cat that grows old, and for some reason, its tail splits up into two. And that is what Espeon has, if you notice. Its tail is two. Has two tails.

Jack: Yes. Yes, it does, actually.

Cristina: Yeah. And I found one story about this creature. If you want to hear it, go for it. A rich samurai. There was a rich samurai whose house was haunted, and no one could figure out what to do. So he kept bringing in, like, priests and other people to get rid of the spirit, and nothing worked. Until a servant saw that his cat. There was something wrong with the cat. It was holding something in its mouth. I think it was a tiny ghost in its mouth. So he killed the cat. And then they saw that the cat had two tails, and they were like, oh, that's an evil cat. It's an evil cat. Yes. And I think they used to kill or cut off the cat's tails. When you own a pet cat in Japan, so that it won't turn into a nekomara when it gets old, preemptively.

Jack: Just chop off its tail.

Cristina: Yeah. Look at this one. This is a picture of one. And they're learning how to walk on their legs.

Jack: You mean a drawing of one?

Cristina: Yeah, the drawing. It's based on the real creature. These are cats that are. Their tails are split and they're walking onto. Because that's what happens when cats get owed.

Jack: Their tails split in two, and then they just walk exclusively on their hind legs.

Cristina: Yes, yes. So now you know more about Espeon's background.

Jack: Got you.

Cristina: Yes. And there are other Pokemon that are based on very strange mythologies as well, like Ninetales.

Jack: Ninetales? What the f*** is that?

Cristina: Based on a fox that has nine tails.

Jack: Ninetails is a horse, isn't it?

Cristina: What? What are you talking about? Oh, I don't have a picture of Ninetales. I'm gonna show you nine tails.

Jack: Oh, yeah. I was thinking about a horse with a bunch of tails.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: But not as. Not the Pokemon.

Jack: Yeah, it's a Pokemon. Oh. What's Rapidash? Evolves into what?

Cristina: Rapidash is evolved form, isn't it?

Jack: Is it?

Cristina: It's just a big horse. I don't. With a fiery tail. It doesn't have many tails. Ninetales.

Jack: Holy. I don't know why I always picture Ninetales with some sort of a horse.

Cristina: You thought it was a. I mean, it's a really big fox.

Jack: Yeah, it's a huge fox. The previous form is obviously a fox.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This is borderline dog.

Cristina: I can see that. Yeah. It's got a doggish face. It's a. It's a big, big.

Jack: I don't know why I never until this day considered the fact that Ninetales was a f****** fox. And, like, duh. It's just the evolution of baby fox.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which was a tiny little fox with.

Cristina: A really cute hairstyle.

Jack: And then it evolved into this thing that looks nothing like a fox. It's like a dog.

Cristina: Yes, but it is a fox. Because foxes in. I think it's also Japan. I think also maybe in China. But foxes, after growing old, they get more tails throughout their lifetime.

Jack: Is that real?

Cristina: Is that real? No.

Jack: Oh, okay.

Cristina: That would be cool. Well, these creatures, they're called Kitsun, and as they age, they grow extra tails. And when they grow nine tails, they turn white.

Jack: Interesting. And do they become evil or they just become these majestically beautiful kinds of things?

Cristina: There's varying, very varied stories about them. Some of them are good stories, some of them are bad.

Jack: Do they leave trails of fire? That'd be cool.

Cristina: I think they're psychic. They have a bunch of abilities. A bunch of abilities. Also, after a hundred years, they have infinite wisdom.

Jack: This is very interesting because this line up heavily with Shinto.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: It's these creatures. They are probably technically dead, but their spirit.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Is what we're witnessing.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yes. Well, yeah. This pretty much, Instead of dying, it seems like they live. Even though I guess it could be their spirit is living.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And that's really happening.

Jack: Notice the transition from one point to the other.

Cristina: That's why it's white now instead of.

Jack: The orangey seamless move into a spirit form.

Cristina: Amazing. Wow.

Jack: So in the case of, like, creatures that guard, like, the spirit of the ocean or that, like, something has to die and then become the thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But one of these creatures could be a mythical. Think of like, you remember Suicune, the movie of Pokemon, saying, you know, singing on the Pokemon theme, that it was in the woods, like one of the legendary.

Cristina: Something. No.

Jack: When they went back in time.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: And there was the blue dog thing that was chasing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's the spirit of the forest or the woods or some s***. Or the lake. That's in there or some crap like that. Now, the assumption here is that was just a dog at some point, and then that dog lived very long, and then that dog transitioned to being the spirit of that place, but you never see the dog die. I think the same thing would apply here.

Cristina: I think they said that dogs were somehow related to the spirits of that Ghost Tower thing where all the dead Pokemon were kept.

Jack: I don't know. I'm relating to Shinto.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Like, if this was Shinto, that's what would be happening. You never see the death of the.

Cristina: Pokemon because it didn't die. The next stage of life.

Jack: Yeah. Sort of like what I think would happen if we died. People would see our body die, but we wouldn't see ourselves die. We would just be like, hey, I'm here. This is weird. What's happening?

Cristina: Yeah, that's interesting. Whoa.

Jack: So these creatures that just move forward, like, transform into this other thing, and to them it's just, well, I'm here. I'm doing my thing.

Cristina: Yes. But these things are. These creatures are so incredible. Like, infinite wisdom.

Jack: What the f*** does that even mean?

Cristina: I don't know. That's amazing. It sounds amazing. I don't know if that's actually an.

Jack: Amazing ability that makes it impossible to catch because it's always wiser than you are.

Cristina: Yes. I remember some stories where they can turn into people. They like to turn into girls for some reason. And if they get drunk, they might end up like. Like a tail might pop up. But that could be before they get their nine tails. Is when they're a little bit more riskier and they'll do something. And the tail. They won't be able to hide their tail. They sometimes do show off their tail, so I don't know. Well, how infinite ones them helps them. So it's probably that they get it. I mean, they. By the time they reach infinite wisdom, they probably stop pretending to be humans and things like that, because they weren't doing very good at that. They weren't very good at that. So I'm guessing that's a younger fox. Yeah.

Jack: They don't have the infinite wisdom and maturity.

Cristina: Yeah. They also have gained the ability to see and hear anything anywhere in the world. They're omni. Whatever.

Jack: Omnipresent.

Cristina: Yes. Is that something omniscient? I don't know which one. There's so many omni stuff. The Omni one with hearing and seeing.

Jack: Yeah. I think omniscient covers all the bases.

Cristina: And when they get. And after a thousand years, they become Gold. I wonder if we'll see that in the Pokemon world.

Jack: First they become white, then gold.

Cristina: Yes. They either turn white or gold after a thousand years. Yeah. I thought it was at 100 years. But at 100 years they should have all their tails by a hundred years. But if they don't, then by a thousand years when they have it, they'll change the color which would be either white or gold.

Jack: Interesting, interesting. So they just live forever. They're immortal.

Cristina: They're immortal, yes. Who's counting these ages? What human is like, okay. Or are they? I guess because they're in their wisdom and whatever. Like they gotta be pretty human. They. You have to be able to count the years. Right.

Jack: Guess the stories down.

Cristina: Yeah. These foxes, like the people who kept.

Jack: Track of that like 700 year old turtle or whatever the f*** it was like the great, great, great, great grandparents had a photo with the turtle.

Cristina: Oh, that's so sick.

Jack: It was. There was a drawing of the turtle originally. Because there weren't cameras.

Cristina: Oh. And it just. That was the proof that it was the same turtle.

Jack: Yeah. Cuz the turtle stayed in the family.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then they just. There was like 12 or 13 sketches of the turtle. Because it would take. It would have a new thing done per generation. So I'm the father. I had it. My son is gonna do one with the turtle too. It's a family turtle.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: His son is gonna do one with the turtle. Eventually cameras happened.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we transition over. And it's really huge. Black and white.

Cristina: That's awesome.

Jack: Not even black and white. That's sort of like orangey old school film.

Cristina: And you said how long?

Jack: It was like 700-year-old turtle.

Cristina: 700-Year-Old turtle?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: It's a crazy old turtle that's older than a white fox. Oh my gosh. So turtles live forever.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Then they'll never become the spirit turtle.

Jack: Because they'd have to die in a seamless transition.

Cristina: Yes. But if those powers weren't crazy enough. There's so many powers. So many. They can possess people. They have fire and lightning. They are a Pokemon. They can appear in other people's dreams. They can fly.

Jack: The f****** omniscient part is what's crazy about this.

Cristina: It's just like see and hear everything.

Jack: And be everywhere all at the same time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like it's God. They just become God.

Cristina: It could create illusions. So. Yes. Like what? What?

Jack: Interesting. Just morph into a God.

Cristina: And those are its baby powers. The greater powers. You're not ready for this. Birth universes able to bend time and space.

Jack: Right, Right.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: That's very suicune.

Cristina: Mm. They can drive people mad. Which isn't that crazy already because of all the things they could already do.

Jack: To you, like weak sauce.

Cristina: And also shapeshift into tall trees or a second moon in the sky.

Jack: That's pretty hardcore.

Cristina: That's pretty hardcore. So if we ever see a second moon in the sky, you know, it's this white fox.

Jack: It's a fox. Another giant object about to collide into the moon and destroy our entire solar system as we know it. Yeah, it's just a fox.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh. And like succubus, they could drink the life out of you if they wanted. Through sex.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Why? I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. My question would be, like, would they want to, though? Like, they can if they wanted to.

Cristina: But they want to. I don't know. I guess they would because I guess.

Jack: It would be like different personalities and some are like, imma be the bad.

Cristina: Yeah. Because some are, I'm guessing, bad and some are really good and rainbow of them. Yes. Because there's some that just get married to a guy and then, like, he finds out what she is and she runs away.

Jack: In love, death and robots. There was a spirit girl who turned. Gets turned into, like, a robot, which, by the way, watch. Love, death and robots. Audience, this is just. Just pay attention to that show.

Cristina: Beautiful stuff.

Jack: But, like, that was that thing.

Cristina: I think so. I think it was the kitsune.

Jack: Yeah. It was just some iteration of that where she didn't have many tales. But it was the same thing.

Cristina: Yes, it was just a fox, spirit creature thing. I think it's like the Irish folklore where fairy can be considered a creature, a ghost, you know, all those combination of things. But it's still one type of thing. I feel like this fits into that.

Jack: I feel like too, because it's not necessarily a spirit. It. It's not really. But it's like. It's kind of getting there. It's getting to the point where it's not alive in our understanding of alive. It just ages into transcendence. That doesn't make sense.

Cristina: That doesn't.

Jack: It must be dying in the course. And the death it goes through is so different than what we understand as death.

Cristina: Yes, but we just. Yeah, we just don't understand it. So.

Jack: And it's. It died and now it's this new thing. Or we. We have to divide evolution into two things. There's gradual natural evolution and then there's celestial evolution, which happens in one Moment to another phase.

Cristina: Like, phase like. Yeah, but like, everyone around you would see death, though. Is that what it would be or.

Jack: No, in the case of just people. Yes. You just died and now you're always dead. In the case of one of these creatures, it seems like. Well, no, I hit the point. Bright light. Oh, my God, it's blinding. Light goes away. It's a different thing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Except even if we don't see that moment that happened there somewhere.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Where it's like it's slowly gotten wider and wider and grown extra tails, and at some point it started phasing in and out of existence.

Cristina: Like in Pokemon, where it's just one minute they're one thing, the next is another thing.

Jack: Yeah. It would be a quicker evolution than like humans evolving.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It takes us millions and millions of years. Theirs happens in the course of their lifetime.

Cristina: Yes, man. Ninetales are pretty cool, man. That anime was so awesome. Not anime that love death and robots. Love Death and robots episode. It's pretty cool, but yeah. So this Psychic Fox thing is probably what Ninetales was based on, right? We can agree to that.

Jack: I think so.

Cristina: Think so. And then in 1955, it was five adults and seven children. They went to the police station because they claimed that small aliens from a spaceship was attacking their farm. And they were in a. Like a shoot off with these aliens. And then the cops went to the farm just to make sure that they weren't like, attacking their neighbors instead or something. Because I don't think they assumed aliens. And they looked around and they only found the shells from the guns and hoes around the barn area. So there was shooting happening, but they couldn't find the aliens, Right?

Jack: Sounds about right.

Cristina: Yes. And the description of the aliens, Sableye, was inspired from this UFO encounter.

Jack: It. Wait, this came after that?

Cristina: Yeah. This is from the. Yeah.

Jack: And this is third generation, Right. This is like where it was still cool.

Cristina: Where it was still cool Pokemon.

Jack: Yeah. Before Pokemon got whack.

Cristina: Yeah. Who knew? They based things off of real weird events. I know, like they based on items and creatures and stuff, but aliens. I mean, they do have some aliens in the Pokemon world as well. Like Clefairy.

Jack: Yeah. She's a literal alien.

Cristina: She's a literal alien. Yes. So Sableye is also, or at least based on a real alien. That's pretty. That's probably one of the most interesting. The Pokemon. A lot of them are based on mythologies, or not a lot of them, but some of them are based off of mythologies and stabilized based On a real quote unquote event.

Jack: Yeah. There's a bunch of Pokemon based on a bunch of different things that are going on. Anywhere from just inanimate objects, animals to mythology, different mythical creatures and gods of different sorts as well as totally inanimate things. And like f******. Just not even inanimate things, but things that you couldn't hold. Like pollution.

Cristina: Pollution, yes. That's my favorite Pokemon pollution. Yeah.

Jack: Natural trash wonders like volcanoes are also Pokemon.

Cristina: Oh yeah? Yep. But did you know ghost too?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Do you know the Pokemon Mawile? Mawile. I hope that's you how you pronounce it. It's a plant Pokemon. And it has like a. A giant leaf on its head. And it has like a giant mouth in the back of its head.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: Malwa is based on Furikuchi una, which is literally means two mouthed lady.

Jack: Because there's a lady with two mouths in some folklore.

Cristina: Yes, it happens because she. Because she doesn't like eating or something. She doesn't want to eat. And the mouth. And I guess her body's still hungry even though she's not. She's choosing not to eat. So it's develops a mouth and then its hair is turn alive like a. Like an octopus legs or something, whatever. And it grabs the food and forces it inside the mouth that's hungry. Well, it doesn't force it into the mouth. It helps the mouth eat because she won't eat.

Jack: So it's one mouth forcing. It's one mouth being forced to eat.

Cristina: No, the no mouth is being forced to eat. The hungry mouth is eating. The hares is helping it eat.

Jack: Oh, I understand.

Cristina: Not her main mouth. Her main mouth does not want to eat. So she doesn't eat. But then the other mouth is made and then it just starts eating for the both of them. So she ends up eating double instead of one normal meal. Because she was just too. I don't know. I don't know why she chose. She chooses not to eat until she's anorexia.

Jack: Yes, it's the anorexia Pokemon.

Cristina: Yes. So most of these stories involve her marrying some guy who's like really greedy and he doesn't like to waste his money. So he sees this. This lady who doesn't eat and he's like whoa, Imma save so much money with this lady. And so they get married and then because she doesn't eat, she develops the.

Jack: Mouth and then the mouth eats the guy.

Cristina: No, he just gets scared when he see he finds out because I wonder if there's a Story. I haven't read one, though, of him finding out that she attacks him. There's probably horror movies like that, though. But yes. Then there's a Pokemon called Dunsparce. You know that Pokemon?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: It is so adorable. It is the cutest Pokemon ever. No, they're all cute. A lot of them are cute. Okay. And Dunspar is based on a creature called Sushi no Ko, which is like Japanese Bigfoot, which not like, doesn't look like him, but it's like a version of Bigfoot for them. Like, they see this creature, but there's no proof of its existence. And the Sushi no Ko looks pretty much like what the Pokemon's based on. It looks like a fat, fat snake that's had, like the body in the middle is super fat. Like it's just eating something.

Jack: And how does it move?

Cristina: It moves very oddly. It moves. It moves like a slug or snail. Like, I don't know, like it's going back and forth, forward.

Jack: Like it expands and contracts over and over.

Cristina: Yeah. Which is. I wish I could see this creature move. So, yeah, this is like an overweight, a fat snake that instead of slithering, it just moves forward. It's adorable. And the legends say that it can leap great bounds. It could leap over buildings and etc. And that's why they think the Pokemon has its little wings that it has. You know, it has these cute little wings that it probably doesn't use in the poke world. You know, those little things. So that's probably why it has it, because the creature is known to jump.

Jack: So it's like Magikarp.

Cristina: Like Magikarp, yes. Is Magikarp known for jumping over mountains?

Jack: Over mountains, yeah.

Cristina: So then it turns into a dragon. Although Magikarp is also based on a mythology, you know. You've heard of that one though, right?

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: I think it's Chinese. It's carps just trying to get up a mountain where there's a gate up there, the Dragon Gate. And if they can get up there, which is really hard to get there, they turn into a dragon. And that's Gyarados. So it's based on both magic.

Jack: Japanese dragon, too? No, it's a Chinese. Right. It's very Chinese dragon.

Cristina: It's. Yeah, I think it's Chinese. Yes. Yes. Some Tsuchinoko can speak. And they also love to drink alcohol, which is awesome. Wouldn't you want that as a pet? It's a fat worm that. What is it? Like, it moves towards you in a weird slug like way and likes to Drink alcohol and speak to you.

Jack: I wouldn't want that. Now that's weird.

Cristina: What? Who knows what Hit wants to say to you? Although it does have the habit to lie. So maybe it's a good thing that you don't want to talk to it. What could it be lying about? I want to know. It's lies.

Jack: Maybe it's sarcastic lying. Maybe it's like, yeah, man, I was gambling outside and it's like you've been slowly been creeping around the house the whole day just pretending it had like a real cool. Like, I bet you don't know where I was today. Like, I've seen you crossing the living room for the past seven days. Yeah, you've been nowhere.

Cristina: Oh my gosh, what an awesome fact. Oh, that is so awesome. I hope it's exactly like that.

Jack: Always just sarcastically cracking stupid jokes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There aren't necessarily lies as much as they are just sarcasm.

Cristina: Yeah. That's beautiful. And it's always has some excuse of why the beer bottle is empty or whatever.

Jack: And he knows, you know, but he's also like totally not like being upfront about it.

Cristina: Yes. So awesome.

Jack: Where's that beer can empty? I don't know. I found it like that.

Cristina: Man, they should make this Pokemon even more like the Sunoku because it already looks like it. Why not make it behave like that? That is awesome. Not very kid friendly though.

Jack: No, it's very adult content.

Cristina: Well, if they ever want to make Pokemon an adult contest type of show. Because they do that. They do that. This creature also likes to swallow its tail and it rolls around like a wheel.

Jack: What does that mean?

Cristina: Like a wheel? Like in a circle. Like it has its mouth. The tail is in its mouth, so it's a circle on it.

Jack: So it just becomes an Ouroboros at random?

Cristina: Yeah, it becomes an Ouroboros. They think it's similar to a hoop snake. Have you heard of a hoop snake that's a legend in America and Australia.

Jack: I haven't heard of a hoob snake.

Cristina: Well, I guess over here in Australia and in Canada, people have seen snakes bite their tail and turn into wheels. I don't know. That's a really wild. Snakes are weird, I guess. I don't know if any pet snakes have done that, but they swear they've seen snakes do that in the wild, I guess. That's so cool. What do you think about Sneasel?

Jack: Great Pokemon. It's kind of overpowered.

Cristina: What type of Pokemon is it? A dark Pokemon?

Jack: Yeah, it's a dark. Dark and normal or some s***. I'm not sure. Maybe it might be pure dark. I'm not sure.

Cristina: The sneasel is based on a Japanese creature called the Kama Itachi, which is the words for sickle and weasel.

Jack: Sickle, weasel, Sickle, weasel.

Cristina: Which. It looks like a weasel with sickles for its hands. It.

Jack: It doesn't really look like a weasel. No, really, it looks like, physically like our metaphoric definition of a weasel. Like a sneaky person.

Cristina: Oh, it just looks like a sneaky person.

Jack: Yeah, it's.

Cristina: You wouldn't trust that guy.

Jack: No, it's probably gonna steal some s***.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, these kami. These kama Itachi are so, so scary. They're so scary. They're sneaky for sure. They like to. They like to hunt in three, and they move very quickly around you. The first one knocks you down. The second one uses its long sickle like hands and cuts your leg off. And the third one heals your wound. And then you don't realize you were attacked because they're stealing parts of your leg. They're stealing meat to eat for later. Cause that's cool. Oh, my gosh. That's horrifying.

Jack: That's pretty f***** up.

Cristina: Yes. You would just think that you were tripped, but that's what really happened. Why you tripped. That is the story of why you tripped. These three sneaky creatures ripped your leg off. Well, they didn't rip your leg. Oh. They ripped your leg open, took some meat, and then sewed it back up like nothing happened.

Jack: So never notice.

Cristina: Yep. What?

Jack: No harm, no foul.

Cristina: No harm. Like tripping over there? That sucks. What? I mean, I guess it could be happening over here and you wouldn't know because they move so fast. There's a Pokemon called the Manectric, which has. It's very bluey and yellowy and it's electric. And it's based on a Japanese legend of Raiju, which is a thunder wolf or dog. Thunderdog. Thunder beast. It's a thunder animal. It could be anything, really, because it has many different. You know how the other one had a. It could be a cat or a dog or flies or fireflies for the carbuncle. Well, this one, it could be a cat or a dog or a mouse. It could be a fish. It could be a squirrel. There's so many different.

Jack: So it's a shapeshifter.

Cristina: Yes, I guess so.

Jack: But the main form, by saying it's a shapeshifter.

Cristina: Yes, but the main form, I guess, that it likes to. It prefers, is a dog. And this dog when it walks around, its body is made out of lightning. And in bad weather, it likes to run around. And that's why you see lightning and thunder, because that's it jumping around everywhere.

Jack: It's hanging out in the sky on.

Cristina: Top of buildings and trees and stuff. Wherever you see, like, marks, burnt marks where lightning has struck, that's really the Raju.

Jack: Okay, that makes sense.

Cristina: Also, another Pokemon that might be based on this is Raichu, which is also electric, but it's the mouse. But this thing looks like whatever, so there could be any electric Pokemon based on this.

Jack: It's like almost all folklore are about some sort of shapeshifter.

Cristina: Yeah. My favorite thing of this Raju creature is it's the companion of Raijin, who's the God of lightning. And whenever he looks for him, he strikes at him to wake him up from where he sleeps. And where this creature likes to sleep, sleep is in belly buttons.

Jack: So he becomes microscopic? Not microscopic, but super tiny.

Cristina: Yes. So people during thunderstorms lie on their stomach so that it won't sleep in their belly button. Also, there's stories that he only sleeps on your belly button if you're sleeping outside. Fair.

Jack: That makes sense.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know. It's a cute story. It's not a cute story because I guess you die in the end of that story. But it likes to sleep in your belly button. I don't know why, but it does. I want to see that Pokemon turn into a tiny thing and, like, sleep in Ash's belly button. No, that would be weird. That would be really weird. But there's a legend about this creature about. In a stormy night, a samurai drew his sword in the right time because he struck something. A lightning bolt. And of course it. Well, when he struck the lightning bolt, the whole area became smoky. And he didn't see what happened until the smoke cleared. And then he saw a dead Raiju on the ground.

Jack: Why did he attack lightning?

Cristina: I don't know. Because he thought his blade could do something. I feel like that would kill him.

Jack: Though his blade did do something. But, like, why did he know?

Cristina: He's got six sense. 10 cents. He's got super sense. That's how great it is. I guess the highest level of samurai in this. Is there belt in samurai? Is there, like, a high samurai level of, you know, like in karate?

Jack: I have no idea.

Cristina: Then there's Ho Ho. You know Ho ho.

Jack: Ho oh.

Cristina: Ho oh. You know Ho oh. Can you guess what Ho oh was based on?

Jack: Ho oh.

Cristina: It is a firebird. How many firebirds do you know it's a phoenix? Yes, it's a phoenix. It's a phoenix. In Japan, the phoenix is called Ho. Oh.

Jack: Ah.

Cristina: So, yes, they didn't really switch up anything. It's really just the phoenix in the game. There's no magic happening there. I mean, it's not really based on. It really is just. Just the Phoenix. It's just the Phoenix. When it comes to those birds, is there just one in the world or are there multiple?

Jack: That is a fantastic question. There are three legendary birds. Three legendary dogs. Mew, Mewtwo. We at least know Mewtwo for a fact. There's only one. Yes, there's Lugia. Ho. Oh, and like, what about all the Regis? What about Celebi? What, like, is there one of these m************? Just one of each.

Cristina: How does that work?

Jack: Where the f*** did it come from?

Cristina: Yes. Unless the God monster, the God Pokemon made them.

Jack: I think so.

Cristina: Is one of them.

Jack: I think so. I think it comes. It breaks down in that fashion.

Cristina: But what happens when one dies?

Jack: They're gone.

Cristina: They're just gone.

Jack: Yeah. I think it starts at the God Pokemon, Whatever the f***. Arceus.

Cristina: I have no idea.

Jack: Then created the universe. And Mew is Jesus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Mew made the living things.

Cristina: Well, then that's not very Jesus. Like, God made everyone.

Jack: So I guess he's God.

Cristina: Yeah, he's really God.

Jack: Because Arceus is the God of the gods.

Cristina: Yeah. They're just seeing the Christian God is made by this other God.

Jack: Yeah, the Christian God was made by Arceus.

Cristina: Yeah. Maybe there's a Pokemon called Whiscash, which is a catfish Pokemon. Or I think it's a giant cat. I would say it is.

Jack: It's a catfish.

Cristina: It's a catfish with giant whiskers. Very simple. It's based on a catfish creature. In Japan, in the Japanese myth, there is a catfish named Namazu, which likes to create earthquakes and stuff just by flapping its tail. It's just so huge that it creates earthquakes.

Jack: And this Pokemon is that big?

Cristina: I don't think it's that big, but it has attacks that are similar. It creates earthquake attacks. Isn't that a Pokemon attack?

Jack: Water and ground?

Cristina: Yeah, it's water and ground. That's exactly the type. Is there many water and ground? Because isn't ground weakness to water? So, yeah.

Jack: So this Pokemon's particularly overpowered.

Cristina: Well, yeah, there's Zap. Zapdos. I don't know if we talked about Zapdos. Not Zapdos, but what he's based on which is the Thunderbird. I don't know if we talked about the Thunderbird before.

Jack: The f*** is a Thunderbird?

Cristina: Okay, good. Well, Thunderbirds are mythical creatures that the Native Americans believed in, right? And they created thunders and they control lightning and all that stuff. Good stuff. And they like there was a bunch of different tribes and they have all these different ideas of it and most of it revolves around like they're here to either watch over us, to see that we're doing the right thing, you know, like good or bad or whatever. And they'll punish us if we're bad. There's some like they. They're fighting water creatures. There's like giant snakes or giant water creatures that they. That are the enemies of these birds for some reason. So they have this epic fight and that's what's creating those thunderstorms and stuff is just the fight of these animals.

Jack: Like Battle of the Titans or something.

Cristina: Yeah. So it's some underworld creature versus giant bird creatures. There's a Pokemon called Golok which looks like a robot. He looks like a giant robot?

Jack: Yeah, he's a Golem, not a robot.

Cristina: He's a Go. Well, he is a Golem. He's based on a Golem. How can you tell he looks like. I mean, besides this picture that I have of him next to the Golem he's based on. How could you tell he's a Golem?

Jack: Does not look like a robot to me.

Cristina: I don't know what a Golem looks like.

Jack: Sonic Ripoff Eggman designed robot. Are you talking about he looks exactly.

Cristina: Like a Sonic Ripoff.

Jack: I see that. I see exactly why you think he looks like a robot.

Cristina: What do you think he looks like a Golem? What Go have you seen?

Jack: He looks like every. Every Golem looks like that. They're all the same s***.

Cristina: They're all just giant creatures. Oh, there's a Pokemon called Golem. He doesn't look like a Golem.

Jack: Yeah, Golem isn't a Golem.

Cristina: He's not a Golem.

Jack: No, Golem is not a Golem. Golem is a rock. He's specifically a Indiana Jones esque boulder.

Cristina: But those golems all look like different things. Like maybe it is a Golem made out of rocks. No, some of them look fiery.

Jack: Like there are golems made of rocks. But Golem is an Indiana Jones boulder. The one you push off and then roll down the hill.

Cristina: Oh my God.

Jack: That's what he is.

Cristina: Why did they name him Golem? This Pokemon deserves that name. But Golek Golurk. But to Golurk is based on a golem that helped the Jews from one of the many times that they needed help. Because they needed help.

Jack: So golems are biblical?

Cristina: Yes, I guess so. They're Jewish creatures. The Jews make them, and they're magical.

Jack: Jews make golems.

Cristina: I guess they got magic. That's why the Christians hate them. They're like, magic is evil. And we came from that. That is evil. I don't know. I don't know how it works. Maybe they're jealous of that power because.

Jack: They don't have it.

Cristina: They don't have it, Exactly. They've lost. They've lost the powers of creating golems.

Jack: Chew magic.

Cristina: Yes. Well, if you see in the picture, the specific golem in the story has. What would you call those bandages? And the Pokemon golem has that too, you know, I don't know what's called the. And the symbols on it is just, what, magic writing on it, I'm guessing, like runes keep it alive. Like runes? Do they know runes? I don't know. Well, it could be a combo of things, I guess. But in the Pokedex, it says that they're created by the ancient people with the goal of protecting humans and Pokemon, which is what the regular golem is created.

Jack: That's what my golem in Minecraft does. It protects us from creepers and things of such nature.

Cristina: So all golems. Golems are made for that purpose.

Jack: But some golems become evil.

Cristina: They do.

Jack: I don't know. Maybe they're owned by a bad guy. They're just protecting whoever made them, I think. Whoever they're cast to protect.

Cristina: Oh, so they're not really good or bad.

Jack: Yeah, they're probably not even conscious.

Cristina: Yeah, probably.

Jack: There's nothing going on. It's just.

Cristina: Are they like Frankenstein?

Jack: Well, no, that's alive.

Cristina: Oh, okay. It's not alive.

Jack: No, it's not. It is. He's biological.

Cristina: What level of alive is he?

Jack: He's closer to, like, fire, I guess.

Cristina: Okay, but you.

Jack: I guess. He's not alive. Alive. He's. He's alive, but not by a lot. He is biological, d*** it. He's. Yeah, he's biological.

Cristina: He can't think. He can't. He has no needs.

Jack: Frankenstein.

Cristina: No, I'm talking about the golem.

Jack: Oh. Oh, I didn't realize. We saw it back.

Cristina: Yeah. What is he. How alive is he?

Jack: He's not alive.

Cristina: He's not alive at all.

Jack: Basically, a robot that you control with magic instead of electronics.

Cristina: Oh, Even if he looks human.

Jack: Yes. Kind of like a Android that you control remotely.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Okay. That's all that it is. Okay.

Jack: Anyways. Anyways, we are running out of time.

Cristina: All of that came from black cats.

Jack: Black cats and Pokemon.

Cristina: Yes. So beware of these creatures in the woods or something. If you're in the woods with your friend trying to get them to listen to an episode. Is that what happened?

Jack: No. You wandered in the woods with your laptop and a boombox.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: And you were trying to get strangers you came across in the woods to listen to the show with you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And I guess you stumbled upon a black cat and. Or something.

Cristina: Yes. And you're using it for treasure hunting.

Jack: Yes. But now, all things considered, this isn't the only episode with Pokemon that we have. There are actually a couple of episodes where we mention Pokemon in different. There's no Pokemon specific episode. No, but there are episodes that have a lot of Pokemon, including one where we try to find out if there's cannibalism. No. There's pollution in Pokemon.

Cristina: Yes. And hysteria. The Pokemon hysteria. But that was based on real life and not the game.

Jack: Yeah. Wow. We. Do we talk about Pokemon? This is the official Pokemon show.

Cristina: We rarely talk about HO1. That's why I thought, why not we.

Jack: Talk about Pokemon enough for this to be the official Pokemon show.

Cristina: Okay. This is the official Pokemon show.

Jack: At least for this episode.

Cristina: For this episode. Come back for more.

Jack: Find those episodes. If you want some more Pokemon in your life or anything else, you can find those on the official website. Greatthoughts.info on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and pretty much anywhere you get your podcasts.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and TikTokisconvopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe and rate. And if you feel so inclined to review the show with whoever you're forcing.

Cristina: To listen to, let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth is very important. So you find people who you care about and love and tell them, hey, just conversation me, you, glass of wine, midnight stars sitting on the beach.

Cristina: They want to be listening to us.

Jack: Yes. And then as soon as you're done with the episode, you play the killers on the beach. Make sure it's about to start raining.

Cristina: No, that sounds very great. It sounds like a great night.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: Because here's what I would say. Maybe he was the first saint.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And thus his death got associated with oversleeping because all the other saints would later be living saints. But no, they all have to be dead. So based on this, they're all the saints of oversleeping. If he's not the saint of roosters. Roasted.

Cristina: Roasted. He is the thing of roasted. I don't.

Jack: He's the saint of roasted rooster.

Cristina: It's over sleeper. Because the. I get it. Sort of, I guess, like the rooster, you. You get woken up by a rooster, but the rooster's dead, so you over.

Jack: So. Okay, Okay.

Cristina: I don't know how that. You know, then. What a crazy story.

Jack: It's a title. Not a thing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's just. We needed to call you something, but.

Cristina: We'Re gonna pray for you if we oversleep, I guess. Or not to oversleep.

Jack: The question is, is that how it works?

Cristina: Yeah, I think so.

Jack: You pray to them for the thing?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Really?

Cristina: Yeah, I think so. Like, there's specific prayers people made for these saints. If you can't make up your own prayer or whatever, you can just find a prayer dedicated to them for a specific thing.

Jack: Interesting, interesting.

Cristina: So people pray for him to not oversleep? I guess. Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 125: Banshees and Women in White

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What are Banshees? What are their origins? Are they related to the Woman in the White Dress? Answers to this and more on this episode!

Story:
The duo unpacks Banshee’s, Women in White and any similar or relate ghost or creature in order to get better informed as they continue to fill their Mars prison with different paranormal beings to study. All in the name of science.

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Topics Discussed

  • Banshees
  • Death Omen
  • The Weeper
  • Woman in the White Dress
  • La Llorona
  • Lilith
  • Shadow Realm
  • Shapeshifters
  • Fear
  • Reapers

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+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean? Welcome to Just Conversation, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

Cristina: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Jack: And also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on the topics that we discuss. So be sure to find a single individual, somewhere random, that they wouldn't expect to be found by a different complete stranger, and approach them with this very tone. I'm speaking.

Cristina: You sound like an anime villain or something.

Jack: That's fine.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You approach them and you. Hey, Yugi, I have a show for you to listen to. And if you don't, I will fling you to the shadow realm.

Cristina: To the shadow. We're revisiting the shadow realm? Sort of. Not really, but one of the creatures we talked about.

Jack: We are?

Cristina: Yes. The Banshee.

Jack: The banshee? Yes.

Cristina: Remember last time? Well, not last time. Dragon Ball Z, but a few episodes ago, we talked about Ireland creatures. Yes, yes. And we learned about fairies. And I'm still unsure about this fairy ghost thing, if it's a fairy or a ghost or if it's us or not. Like, I know you explained it, but it still makes no sense in my head because it's so many different ideas, but it's all the same. But it's all different, so it's hard to understand for me. But the Banshee, she's a fairy lady, but she's also a ghost.

Jack: Right. Are they different variants of this?

Cristina: Of the banshee?

Jack: Yeah. Is it like, some stories say she's one, some stories say she's the other. Or is it like, collectively, it's unclear.

Cristina: I think she is definitely a fairy lady. Ghost. A ghost fairy lady. Got you for sure. She's usually. I didn't talk about this last time. I didn't realize she was. How short she is. Because, you know, if you remember, the other fairies are the short people.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Well, she could be between 1 to.

Jack: 4Ft tall, so not human.

Cristina: Yeah, so that goes. They say it goes along with her being an old lady, but also to show that she's a fairy lady. So although in different stories we talked about she could be a young lady. Little girl. Did we say little girl or just a young lady to old lady age range?

Jack: No, I think we saw this before she was an old lady. So there's more range here.

Cristina: There's more range?

Jack: Yes. Before we establish she was an old lady. And there's more range because she's not just an old lady.

Cristina: She's a fairy lady. No, she's a short lady.

Jack: So short said she could be a young lady.

Cristina: Last time. I'm pretty sure I said she could be a young lady.

Jack: Oh, really?

Cristina: I don't remember. There was like, three age ranges. The young, the middle age, and the very old. You remember that?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Okay, well, that was last time. This time I'm just talking about her being old because I didn't realize how short she was. But that doesn't matter. What matters, though, is that she's usually the ghost of a murdered lady or a ghost of a mother who died at childbirth. Those are important.

Jack: Yes. Okay.

Cristina: And if you remember, she sings or mourns over the death of family members. Because it's like every family in Ireland has a banshee.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Well, not every, but the ones that come that have their blood from Ireland, of the first people that took over, remember there was a people that fought the fairies, and that's when the fairies disappeared.

Jack: So they're all descendants of St. Patrick?

Cristina: No, of the Malaysians. I think they were called those people. And if you have their blood, then you have a banshee.

Jack: Hold the f*** up. The Irish are just Malaysians.

Cristina: That's how I think it's pronounced. I'm not sure if that's the correct way it's pronounced.

Jack: What is Malaysian people from Malaysia?

Cristina: No. Then it's probably not the same Malaysia that you're thinking about. Is this other word that looks very similar to that.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: I don't think they're connected. Well, sometimes they could be a predictor of death. They could be crying before someone dies. I don't know how they can tell, because usually you find out the person died afterwards anyways. And even if the person died far away, they'll get the news of the death from her crying. And that would be kind of their warning that something bad happened to their family member. Also, there's some moments where a bunch of banshees are crying. I didn't know that.

Jack: During tragedies, maybe.

Cristina: Well, for them, it means that if a person. For someone who's. For someone who's great or holy, they'll cry. A bunch of them will cry for that person.

Jack: What does that mean?

Cristina: Like, I guess the great. Like king or holy, like a saint? I don't know.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: And then a bunch of them will cry. I don't know why they care, but they care a lot. And in Welsh folklore, there's also a ghost that cries before a person dies.

Jack: And in similar Dubanche, just in that.

Cristina: Way that it's crying. It's a voice that's crying, but it's.

Jack: Not, like, super short thing.

Cristina: A short thing like a.

Jack: Like a fairy.

Cristina: Oh, I don't know. I don't know if they consider. When it comes to things outside of Ireland, I don't know if they consider it as a ferry. I think they're just ghosts.

Jack: Yeah. I don't mean, like, it's called a fairy.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: I'm saying, like, is it, like, is the description the same being?

Cristina: The only thing I got from the description of this ghost is that it has a voice that they hear. I don't think they see this ghost.

Jack: Got you, got you, got you.

Cristina: And then in Scottish folklore, there's, like, three different creatures that are like this. Can I call them creatures or ghosts? Three different ghost stories that are similar. One is called the Little washer Woman. And when they see her, she's usually washing clothes of people who are about to die. So if she's washing her clothes, I guess, you know, I'm about to die.

Jack: How do they know it's her? What does she look like?

Cristina: I think she's actually kind of described as the same as the banshee as the old lady. Like, she's an old lady washing clothes.

Jack: Got it, got it.

Cristina: And then in a second one from Scottish folklore, she's called a weeper.

Jack: I have heard that before.

Cristina: The weeper.

Jack: Yeah, I've heard that before.

Cristina: Okay. Well, do you. What do you know about her?

Jack: I don't know anything about the name.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Well, she also cries predicting death from her cries. She likes to cry at night by waterfalls, stream or lakes, and in glens or mountainsides. She's very found in very specific locations in Ireland. I mean, Scottish Scotland.

Jack: And she also looks like a fairy.

Cristina: We'll say old lady. Got you, old lady, because fairy. I don't know. I don't know. I guess, like the fairy banshee. Yes.

Jack: Sure looks like a banshee. We'll leave it there.

Cristina: She cries over the death of people who are killed in battle. Those are the specific weepers. Yeah, the weeper. It's just people who died in battle. She'll cry for them. And her cries cause people anxiety for their children that are in war because, you know, like, they're like, is it my child that's gonna be dead? Or whatever. Pz, you don't know. Who's she crying for? And there was an event, though, the Massacre of glencoe. And the McDonald's weeper was heard crying all night. People who heard her crying left the place before the massacre.

Jack: So those people lived and then everybody else died.

Cristina: Yeah, everyone else died.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yep. Yep. And she sounds a lot like the banshee, though, in that they're like. Well, I don't know if the banshee really predicts death, but we can't really tell from when she cries to when they find the death of people.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So, like, it seems like she stops crying when you find the body. So it could be that she's predicting as well.

Jack: Does she sound like she's luring you to the body? Is the cry always heard from the direction of the dead?

Cristina: I don't think so. I don't think so. I just think, like, once you do get the news, then the crying stops.

Jack: I wonder if there's a movie about banshees.

Cristina: Probably. I bet Supernatural has all these creatures.

Jack: Yeah, definitely. They've come across a banshee before.

Cristina: Yeah. And then there's the third version of the Scottish folklore thing because they have so many. Many, I guess, of this similar banshee ghost thing. And it's. This one's kind of creepy. It's when you're sick and you're about to die, she's gonna be outside your door crying.

Jack: But you don't know it's her.

Cristina: No, I guess not. But still, if you hear a lady crying, you're probably like, oh, I guess. I guess this is it. If you're sick and dying in bed.

Jack: That means you're probably in a hospital, in which case you just hear some random person you don't know crying.

Cristina: That's so freaky.

Jack: It just probably means somebody already died in the hospital.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: And that's exactly where you're at.

Cristina: Because maybe before hospitals were a thing and you were just dying at home. That would be creepy then.

Jack: Unless it's so bad you know you're gonna die.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then everybody around you knows it could just be somebody, you know crying.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's only if you're in your house and you hear somebody who isn't familiar crying.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess that would be very creepy, though. Yeah. There's. In Latin America folklore, her name is La Giorona, and that means the Weeping Woman or the weeper.

Jack: Yes, the same thing.

Cristina: Okay. It's the same thing. The Weeping Woman.

Jack: And I'm assuming all the rule sets.

Cristina: Work the same this One's a little.

Jack: More complicated because La Giorona sounds like the woman in the white dress. That is usually what they call her.

Cristina: Yes. There is some connection with this one, I guess.

Jack: Yes, yes, I'm very familiar with La Giorona in Latin American culture. That one is identical to the lady in the white dress. You take her home and she goes in and she left. Some bullshit. And you try to take it and then they're like. She was always been dead.

Cristina: Yes. She's always wearing white, I guess, is what she has in common with the woman in white.

Jack: So you're telling me the woman in white and the weeper fused to create La Giorona?

Cristina: Well, she's a little more complicated though, than the woman in white, because in her story, you know why she's weeping?

Jack: Somebody died.

Cristina: Her children's dead.

Jack: Got you.

Cristina: That's what makes her different. She's usually. She drowned her children. Is it part of her story? And I know one of her stories which. A woman who was beautiful, marries a rich man, and they had two children. And one day she finds her husband cheating on her. So she kills her children for some reason out of anger, revenge, and she regrets it immediately. And out of the guilt, she drowns herself. But she can't enter the afterlife without her children. So she haunts. She haunts, I don't know, around. She haunts places, children, I guess. I think she tries to kidnap children. Maybe, I'm not sure. But yes, the reoccurring themes though, of her story, because there's a bunch of different versions of it. And that's just one of the stories of her is the white dress, the crying and the water, because she drowns her kids in the water. So I guess.

Jack: Right. Sometimes she's wet, sometimes she looks like she just got. She was drenched.

Cristina: Yes. There are white women stories, though, that the woman is also wet, but not relating to drowning her children, usually because.

Jack: She'S out in the rain.

Cristina: Well, the one that I read, one of them was that she. I think she was in a car accident.

Jack: It was raining.

Cristina: She was in a car accident and she actually. She drowned in a lake or something.

Jack: Oh, I know one that she was in a car accident while it was raining. And there was one where she forgot her purse and in. What was it? She left her purse in a cab, got out or she lost it or some s*** like that. Oh, and then she couldn't get in because her phone or some s*** was in there. Or maybe phones didn't exist. Whatever. She couldn't get in Contact with anybody, and she wandered into the woods or whatever, and she went missing. It's because she died in the woods.

Cristina: Yeah, there's quite a few in the woods.

Jack: Yeah, it was raining. And that's why she's wet.

Cristina: That's why she's wet. The. Oh, there was one in Canada, one of their famous white women. She felt she.

Jack: Women in white.

Cristina: Women in white, they call them both ways for some reason. Either or. But the woman in white is better, I guess. And she was gonna marry someone. I think he went to war. So she. She jumped off a fall that they have over there. They have many falls. Well, she jumped off one of them in her wedding dress. Of course, that was the white dress. Not all of them died in a white dress. In a wedding dress, but they're all usually white still. The dress that they are wearing. Some of them white dresses, Some of them wedding dresses. You've heard of the wedding dress ones?

Jack: I thought they were all either a wedding dress or some variant of it.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Because I'm assuming the lady that kills her children even though she's wearing a white dress, isn't wearing her wedding dress. I don't know. That's kind of crazy. But I mean, maybe she is. Like, who knows?

Jack: Maybe she put the wedding dress on and then killed her skids.

Cristina: Yes. Whoa. I guess that. Then that's really revenge to her husband.

Jack: No, that's madness.

Cristina: That's madness. Okay, well, in Mexico, they tell these stories to the children to encourage them not to wander off after dark. So she's like a boogeyman type of situation. In America, part of their story is that they could hear her screaming or crying while she's walking around near water or in the dark. So to scare the kids from going out there. Yeah, where they don't want the kids to be. In Venezuela, the story is a little different in that she has to raise her children alone because the father died in war. And she just. I guess she got tired of that and decided, I'm gonna kill my kids. And then her spirit now kidnaps and kills other people's kids.

Jack: Okay, so it's basically the same story.

Cristina: Yeah. Except in this story, families put wooden crosses above their doors to ward her.

Jack: Off because they think she's some sort of a demon.

Cristina: Yes. Which is like the Lilith story, which I want to talk about. Lilith. Do you know her?

Jack: Lilith is a biblical creature.

Cristina: Yes. She's from the. Well, she's not really from the Bible. Like, she's not in the Bible, but in an early Jewish interpretation, Of the Bible she appears, I guess. And the first Eve, they call her because she was made like Adam in the beginning, you know, instead of Adam. And then Eve threw Adam's. What is it? His. Something.

Jack: Yes, his rib. While Adam was created. And then Eve was created from Adam to be less than Adam and his servant. To Adam, Lilith was the equivalent. And I believe she predates Adam. She wasn't made at the same time as Adam, if I'm not mistaken. I believe she was made first. As if Lilith was the first person.

Cristina: Really? Well, I'm not sure about when she was made to Adam, but they were both made from the same ground or whatever.

Jack: And Lilith is not a good person.

Cristina: Yes, she. They had problems, her and Adam, because they had sex problems. Lilith didn't want to lay down. She was not happy with that because they're equals. She doesn't want to be the bottom. And he was like, no, you have to be the bottom.

Jack: So she wants to f*** in that way where the guy is on his back with his legs pushed up and then she sits on his d*** as if she were the one f****** him, but his d*** is inside her. Interesting.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: She was in some weird positions.

Cristina: Yes. Maybe she wanted them standing up together.

Jack: Or maybe she was a lesbian.

Cristina: Maybe she was a lesbian.

Jack: She was the first lesbian. She's considered the first sinner.

Cristina: She's definitely not a lesbian. I think only because she does, like have sex with people. She's. Before she was in this story, she was a. What's it called? A succubus. She's pretty much a succubus.

Jack: Before she was in the Bible, she was a succubus.

Cristina: Yeah. Like they turned that story into this story because everything's based on other things. The Bible's not the first story.

Jack: So the origin from her in a different culture was a succubus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There was a succubus called Lilith that then got incorporated into Christianity and became Lilith, the first woman.

Cristina: Yes. Do you know about that?

Jack: I did not know that. I knew that Lilith was the first woman and I believe she was the first human.

Cristina: You mean like her then Adam? Right?

Jack: I believe it was her then Adam. Except we wouldn't call her human.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Because human was Adam and everything that came from Adam.

Cristina: Oh, really?

Jack: Yes. The idea would be that if you make two different. Even if they look identical.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Adam is one and Lilith is another. So you'd have an entire name of things that came from Lilith.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And are like Lilith, made from her literal matter.

Cristina: Well, good.

Jack: And then entire Tree coming from Adam.

Cristina: She does have children.

Jack: They are not human.

Cristina: No, they're not human.

Jack: Yeah, they're not human because human is Adam and anything that came from him. If Adam mated with Lilith, then those would be human because it would be anything that came from Adam. Yeah, but because they did not mate, it did not come from Lilith. And thus no version of Lilith's offspring are human.

Cristina: Although it's weird, because she does steal his seed and have babies from him. But they aren't humans.

Jack: That's weird, because they should be. Anything that comes from Adam is human.

Cristina: Well, I guess because it's mixing with whatever she is. If she's a whole different thing.

Jack: No, no, no. If she mated with Adam, it would still be. It would be half and half. You'd still calling them human because Adam.

Cristina: Okay, they're called Lilium, and they're earthbound demons.

Jack: Earthbound demons.

Cristina: Yes. She ran away, of course, to gain her independence, like an independent lady. Whatever. And then Adam tells on God. He's. He's like a tattletale. And then God sends three angels to her to get her back. The angels find her in a cave giving birth to their children, and they. And she refuses to go to the garden, so they kill a hundred of her children. I wonder how she reproduces. I wonder what the number was. Unless it was 100 kids and they killed. That or there was, like, she had a thousand and they killed 100 of her thousand kids. But they say, we're gonna come here every day and kill a hundred of your kids every single day until you come back to the garden.

Jack: That's crazy.

Cristina: Yes. So in her revenge, she kills children. Regular kids, I guess, because we're all part of Adam now. So she's killing us.

Jack: Fair enough. She's just taking revenge on Adam's entire bloodline.

Cristina: Yeah. So the death of stillborns and crib deaths are blamed on her.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yep. Lilith is pretty cool. I don't know. There's like, a debate on, like, is she good? Is she bad?

Jack: No. Lilith is bad no matter what.

Cristina: I know. There's just women who look at her.

Jack: Well, she's not bad bad the way Lucifer is bad.

Cristina: What way is that?

Jack: That he didn't really do anything bad.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She had an opinion.

Cristina: Yeah, well, raping people is not good. When she got there, I guess that was bad.

Jack: Well, she was initially not bad.

Cristina: Yeah, she was initially not bad until the angels killed her children, which then.

Jack: Makes it questionable whether she's bad or scarred.

Cristina: Or scarred. Yeah. And then there's In Ancient Greek, a lady named Lamia, she was having affair with Zeus. So his wife Hera killed. Well, didn't kill her. Killed her children. That's one of the stories. She killed her children and then Lamia kills other women's children. And then in the second story, Zeus's wife forced Lamia to eat her own children. And then Zeus gave her shape shifting abilities, which I think is interesting, that she's a shape shifting monster that eats children, which she should have been in our other episode about shapeshifters that we did about eating, but that was about blood drinking, shapeshifting.

Jack: Yeah, it was about blood suckers.

Cristina: Yeah. But she's a shapeshifter who eats children and might have eaten her own children because of Seuss wife. And today she's used as a boogeyman to frighten children. Similar to Il Cuckoo. And then the most popular version, this is a white lady. She's everywhere.

Jack: Yeah. There's no country that doesn't have this story.

Cristina: Even the people we mentioned before this point were probably white ladies. They were probably all dressed in white.

Jack: Yeah. That's what's kind of fascinating about the white lady, that out of all these arguments that one might be the possible one because there's so much s***. But then the thing is, people have stories of oh no, she's this and no, she's that. No, there's a f****** creature that happens to look like a lady in a white dress or something.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because it's everywhere. It's similar to the problem of a chupacabra. You've seen it too many places to say. It's just here now there is the regional story equivalent where. Well, we believe in these things. So it has to take this form when we tell the story. Yeah, but there's one thing they're all talking about that's similar enough difference between Sasquatch and Bigfoot and Yeti is there's the same s***. It's regional. But there's a thing you're talking about.

Cristina: Yeah. Like even the white lady would look different in like her facial features or something. If you had a draw her, she.

Jack: Might in the Middle east she probably has reddish skin. If you're in Asia, she has yellowish skin. If you're in Europe, she probably has really milky skin. If you're in Africa, she probably has dark brown skin. But you're talking about the same f****** thing.

Cristina: Yes, she does the same exact thing.

Jack: All the same things.

Cristina: Yes, all the same.

Jack: So it's basically we could just say that the lady in white is A Banshee?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They're the same thing.

Cristina: Yeah. The only interesting. Really interesting thing about the Banshee is that it's family related. So I wonder if the white lady. There's stuff like that. Like you hear her or you see her, if you're somehow related to her family and you just don't know how you're related. Because we have no idea how related we are to a stranger we meet.

Jack: Man. Here's the. Here's the interesting division between the lady in white and the Banshee. The problem is that the Banshee is you're totally. It doesn't have to be family related, but it's warning you of a death of somebody close.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And she's crying at your location.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The woman in white doesn't do that. You encounter her in the middle of f****** nowhere.

Cristina: She might be crying in some stories, I'm sure there's a story. She's crying.

Jack: Who's lady in white?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No, I'm not saying that she doesn't cry.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I think she's always crying.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: I'm saying she's not at your house.

Cristina: There's no warning.

Jack: Yeah. She's not at your home crying. She's always wandering the f******, like, side of the woods or some s*** when you see her.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: On the road or some crap. Hitchhiking.

Cristina: Yeah. She's always. It's about her life because she's always based on a real person who died in a real tragedy.

Jack: But that's when we tell the story. Like if we break it down to what this really might be and we compare it to the banshee.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We have two different things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're similar.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But they're not the same. Now, everything else we've discussed, I think would fall into one of these two categories.

Cristina: The white lady or the Banshee.

Jack: The white lady or the banshee. I think those are the only two real creatures we've heard about so far. And then the story equivalents. So we've heard of either the Chupacabra or the Yeti and everything else. Like, let's say the f****** creature in the middle of this place. And it's a shapeshifter. Okay. You mean the Chupacabra.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or, well, this. Bigfoot. No, you mean the Yeti.

Cristina: So then Lilith fits more with a white lady.

Jack: Lilith fits more with the white lady. Yes. Or Lilith might be her own thing, though she might be unrelated.

Cristina: Okay. She is a ghost and she's killing kids.

Jack: It sounds like she's Intentional.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But then based on the story, she would be the White Lady. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: He's a white lady. It's not the ones that we're about to talk about, but the ones from Mexico. Or not Mexico, but the South American one that we were talking about. She. It sounds like she wants to kill kids too, because she killed her own kids and she wants to take a ghost with her so she can go to the afterlife kind of situation then.

Jack: Man. It's interesting because it defers quite heavily with the lady in White from North America. She's not a. The lady in white isn't a woman with children at all. As far as we know. She usually dies in her teenage years. Maybe like 17 or 18.

Cristina: She's always young.

Jack: Yeah. And you take her to the house. She was just looking for a ride. She didn't do anything weird to you or anything. Just took her home and she forgot something in the car. And then you take it back to find out that's impossible. She's been dead.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, my gosh. I do remember a connection to her and the Banshee, though. The original version of the Woman in White.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: There's a popular medieval legend about the Woman in White where she appears in the house of a family member who is soon to die. She's seen as the ghost of the deceased ancestor of that person. That sounds exactly like the man.

Jack: She and the lady in White.

Cristina: And yes.

Jack: She's feeling both. Rose. She's feeling both somebody who's already dead showing up and sort of an omen of death at the same time.

Cristina: Yeah. Like now she's not that version, but this. The older version of the original. The origin. Is that better? Origin.

Jack: Now, this is what's crazy. We have the lady in wine too many places. Obviously, she's not one person. Meaning. But it's also problematic to say that there's a bunch of this exact same circumstance happening. Coincidence would be too exaggerated at this point. There'd be thousands of the same scenario.

Cristina: But there are. It feels like there are.

Jack: Well, let's be reasonable about that. Obviously, the story is being told the same. But whatever they're telling the story about.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Is one thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So, like, just being reasonable about it. There's a creature, not a person.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Who seems like a person. Could identifiably be a person. But we could also say the same thing about a succubus or a vampire. They look like people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But they're not mermaid like. It looks like a person, but it's not, you know, Siren.

Cristina: Yes, it.

Jack: It's not, but it looks like it.

Cristina: Okay, so these fairy ghosts are not ghosts, but more fairy, like for their own creature.

Jack: Well, depends on whether they're. Well, I guess we, we at this point we'd be leaving the fairy definition of Ireland fairies and be talking about maybe not necessarily fairies, because western fairies in our region of Western is more like. I guess. No, those aren't even f******. I guess it would be Asian fairies that we here in the United States envision are little people with wings.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: So it's wrong to say fairy because whether we're talking Irish or North American, we're kind of off about what the f*** we're talking about. But it is some sort of entity.

Cristina: Yes. That's why I feel like the Irish one is the closest, because it is an entity.

Jack: But it's not a fairy tale.

Cristina: It's not a fairy.

Jack: It's not a fairy. Doesn't fit the description of fairy. Which are little people.

Cristina: Well, they don't. They're not always little people. Just a lot of the time. They're little people a lot of the time. But that doesn't mean they're always like that just fits the story. So they mentioned that one the most, maybe to make them all seem the same.

Jack: Got you.

Cristina: But that could have been, you know, like the story could have been different before. Like maybe fairy people did. Were our size before.

Jack: Yes, yes.

Cristina: They only shrunk in Ireland. They could be spread out. Spread out and just as tall as.

Jack: You know, their normal woman in white and the banshee might be the two variants with Lilith as an exception. That is she is a creature of her own. Or the woman in white. She's the only out of the women in white equivalents. She stands out the most. But she still fits the suit in some categories. While the banshee seems to be a whole other s***. Just warning. And then we have this weird cross pollination of that one event of warning.

Cristina: And also being dead. Yeah. So I don't know more than one creature. One creature.

Jack: I think two creatures, bare minimum. I think three creatures max.

Cristina: Three creatures max.

Jack: I think we're talking about two to three different creatures. And everything else is a regional variant.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: People just telling the story a different way.

Cristina: Mm. Probably. Yes. Yes, I think so.

Jack: Interesting. And they look like people is one of the characteristics.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They usually embody somebody who's dead. They aren't somebody who's dead.

Cristina: No.

Jack: They appear to appear to be the person who said, if you're a Woman in white.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So whatever that creature is always shows up in white. Even if that person was probably not even wearing white. Maybe there's something about their transformation into that person that only allows that to be the color.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So they always look to be wearing white. Thus the woman in white, even if she died in a blue dress, when.

Cristina: You see her, it might be the same dress, but not white.

Jack: Exactly. Maybe they can't imitate these colors. Yeah, maybe we are talking about some sort of shapeshifter that can only embody somebody dead.

Cristina: Oh, you think a shapeshifter? But then that's more fairy, like, because they're very shape shifter too, like.

Jack: Yeah. So they could definitely embody somebody who's only dead. And that's why the story is always the same. Oh, no, it's not possible. And somehow they get the memories of the person too, because they often ask to go to the same place that the person used to live.

Cristina: Yes, Yes. A lot of them are the same place.

Jack: They're hunting the children of people similar.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Those that are doing that are feeding. So we can say the same creature two different instances. In one case, they still have the memories of the person somehow.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That being said, all of that being said, maybe the lady in white. Holy crap. Isn't even on the side. We forget to keep talking about this, but maybe they're from the shadow freaking realm.

Cristina: That's where the fairies are from. That's where the banshees from. That's why I keep saying she's a banshee.

Jack: Maybe we're seeing. Maybe she's not taking the form of anything. Maybe we're just seeing her shadow form. Her.

Cristina: You know?

Jack: Yeah, her. This side form from the shadow realm.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Interesting. And it might appear as this person or that person. Or maybe using that energy from when.

Cristina: We see her feed, though it matches up with Lilith in that it's children.

Jack: Yes. So there are creatures over there feeding on children from over here?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: That's a strange one. So far, I don't think there's any banshee eating children, though. But when it comes to women in.

Jack: White, maybe Lilith is the first. Similar to, like, Dracula.

Cristina: I mean. Yeah. Like she has children. They're demons. But maybe they're not really demons the way we think of demons.

Jack: Maybe she spawned whatever creature the women in white are.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. Oh, you know, that's so crazy. There's a place, though, that there's like 300 stories of the women in white, which, like, they're called. They're actually Called the Maidens of the name of the location of the place. Because there's so many.

Jack: Fascinating. So there might be a breeding ground.

Cristina: That's so crazy now.

Jack: It's not a breeding ground on this.

Cristina: Side, but it seems like it because they do. There are stories of the real ladies that died. Well that match up.

Jack: You know, the creatures aren't breeding on this side. The creatures manifest where there's energy to manifest through, as we've established. And if all these people have died in this area, there is more than enough sorrow and fear.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To go around. And so they can heavily manifest. So haunted areas are just places with enough energy for these creatures to manifest most vividly.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the more haunted you are.

Cristina: That's why there's so many women in white in a lot of places. But in this specific, in eastern Russia is where they're at, where there's like a ridiculous amount. It says like 350 of them.

Jack: So then the question would be in that area that they're in, was there some sort of tragedy? Is it considered particularly scary place or a haunted place place or something along those lines that could allow there. We know emotions allow shadow beings to manifest.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Specifically fear.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Is the most powerful of them all.

Cristina: That place is scary.

Jack: Are people scared of that place?

Cristina: I don't know if people are.

Jack: Because it could be self perpetuating. It could be. There was one story, people got a little freaked out about that story. But the fear surrounding every time people went through there allowed two or three to manifest. But then the experience is multiplied because their experience, more people had the same story to tell, which then created more fears. People would go through there, which then in return allowed more fear to linger and more to form. And little by little, anyone have to.

Cristina: Die for these things to be born.

Jack: Maybe just the first lady. Somebody saw something, maybe the right person. Here's what usually happens. Right. Somebody who doesn't know the person goes through, sees the lady in white. There was enough energy, enough here. Whatever case might be, pick the lady in white up. Either their children die or they take the lady to her home, quote home, unquote. And her father tells you the same bullshit. Sorry, she's been there. A little weird event that happened.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But maybe this is the one time that the father was the one driving down the street and he sees his f****** daughter and he freaks out and she gets in the car, he's like, what the f***? Or somebody who does know her.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: A family member or something like that. Bob. Her cousin, who didn't know and came the visitor or some s*** drives her to the house. Now the fear is so immense because I saw her.

Cristina: Everyone that knows her is seeing her.

Jack: We saw her. We saw her. She was there. We saw her. This place is haunted. That must have been a demon or something. Now the fear is real. Real.

Cristina: That's why certain locations are haunted. Because everyone's seeing her there. But only like it just took one person seeing her there for a bunch of people to see her there. And then she became a real thing there.

Jack: People have seen the lady in white in different places and they're unrelated. So it's not as scary. It had to be. In order for this place to be of mass ground, some series of events had to lead to the amount of fear that there is relative. Because otherwise every place would have that same amount.

Cristina: So then something else must have happened.

Jack: I'm telling you how it happened. It was somebody who might have known her.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Opposite to a stranger. A stranger picked her up. They were only scared after they were told the story. Somebody who knows or sees her. Holy s***. I was at the funeral.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: Now you're like, I'm never going down the street again.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And you had to go down there one day for whatever reason, but you didn't see her, but you went through there so panicked the person behind you saw her.

Cristina: Have we ever talked about the haunted road like this though? Like maybe that's why it's so freaking.

Jack: Haunted instead of being a space anomaly.

Cristina: Yeah. What if it's not a space anomaly but some weird energy thing is happening? Like this place?

Jack: Definitely could be. It could. Well we've established that maybe it's not the streets, that the street itself that's haunted, but the forest, the woods themselves are haunted. We just didn't know what we meant by haunted. And what we meant by haunted is creatures from the shadow realm.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Cut through because of fear.

Cristina: So there's no such thing as haunted in Linton Road? Yeah, there's a hoarder of creatures in there, but not real creatures, shadow creatures.

Jack: They're real creatures. They're just from the shadow realm.

Cristina: Yes. And in this place in Russia, man, that's so crazy. 350. This is a lot of ghosts. Yeah.

Jack: So I think that's how it happened. It self perpetuated. Somebody saw it, freaked out. It was real fear. Like way more fear than just getting told the story. You saw the person you know is dead. You tell they're like, no f****** way, you're losing your mind. But now they're kind of freaked out. Like maybe he's telling the truth. Rolling down the same street. You see her too? Oh, s***.

Cristina: Yeah. It's interesting because none of these stories, it's random lady. Like, you have a real person who's died or supposedly this person really died.

Jack: I think whatever. Creed. I think they're all. I think we could call them all. D*** it. The problem is we don't have a name for it. The question is, is it different from a banshee? And I think it is. I think the lady in white is different from the banshee.

Cristina: But we can agree they're both shadow people.

Jack: I think they're both shadow creatures. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think they're both shadow creatures, and I think the banshee is the harmless one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The banshee is probably the more scary one because it's screaming. Cries, yes. Like, you'll be way more horrified to encounter a banshee, but you're way more in danger with the lady in white. The question is, what creature is the lady in white? Because we know the banshee is some sort of warning creature.

Cristina: Yeah. While the lady in white is just sometimes. Sometimes wants to eat some children. There's some, though, ghost stories I just remembered about. She wants to share gold with people. I don't know why. She has like a gold, like, treasures.

Jack: Oh, no, that's a trap.

Cristina: That's. No. Well, it depends because sometimes she's like, you could have half, and if you're greedy, then death on you. But if you listen to her, she'll. She'll really give it to you. I don't know if there's one stories that there are traps, but the ones that I read, she's honest until you're greedy and then you're dead.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: But I don't know how that relates. But that's just an interesting thing I remembered about some of the white lady stories or the lady in white stories. There's another ghost that's similar to the lady in white, but she's not the lady in white. She's a ghost in Nigerian and African schools. She haunts the schools and like, the places the kids are sleeping. Like the boarding schools. That's what they're called. Whatever. And her name is Madame Koikoi. Well, she haunts the schools and she wears red heels. And she is popular in Nigeria, Ghana and South Africa. In Nigeria, there are two origin stories for her. In the first story of Lady Kokoi, she was a beautiful teacher. She liked to be her students. And she was fired for slapping a Student. And one day when she was going home, a car hit her and she died. And then she swore revenge on the school and the students for some reason. And then after she died, I guess while she was dying. And then she haunts the school.

Jack: How is she related to anything? Why did we learn about this one?

Cristina: Because she's a ghost lady. I guess that's how she relates.

Jack: There's a lady? Million other ghost ladies. How do you pick this one?

Cristina: I don't remember. Cuz she's really famous. Like the white lady in white. She's famous everywhere.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: This lady's famous everywhere around Africa.

Jack: Yeah, but the lady in white and the Banshee are heavily related in that they're both women, both crying, both surrounding the concept of death.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: This is just some random lady who died.

Cristina: Yes. Who kills her children. Which is like those ghost stories where they. She kills children.

Jack: Like the white lady in white.

Cristina: Yeah, the lady in white kills children. Except this lady's killing school children because of her death.

Jack: In a specific school?

Cristina: In specific schools. Yes.

Jack: No, in a specific school. Or does she like swear revenge on the board of education?

Cristina: No, no, no. I guess depending on the school you're at, she's haunting your school because that's how spread out her story is. So.

Jack: So her story is too specific. In the case of the lady in white, there is variance.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Here is the same story.

Cristina: Yes. With different origin stories, though just like little changes to them, but which makes.

Jack: This one sound way less likely.

Cristina: Okay. Even though they're all almost the same. Although one of them, the students, killed her by accident. They were tired of her beating them up, so they beat her up themselves. And one of them killed her with her own shoe. And then she started killing them off one by one like a horror movie.

Jack: So Final Destination.

Cristina: Yeah. So that was pretty interesting. And then there's these other things which I think relate more to the Banshee. And that's why I looked this up. But it doesn't. I don't think we'll find any relations with the women. And why? Because there's these things called psychopomp. I think that's how you pronounce it. And it means the guide of spirits. They're the creatures, spirits, angels or deities. And many different cultures and religions that guide the deceased from earth to the afterlife. Because we don't know if the Banshee is doing that.

Jack: Maybe you mean reapers.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess reapers is a version of it. Because there's many different versions of these things that just. They come when you're dead and they take you to the next place. And who says the banshee's not doing that? Like, maybe they're just crying until you die and then they walk away with you.

Jack: We don't know you aren't dying when a banshee shows up. Banshee's crying because somebody died and they're letting you know.

Cristina: No, but they're crying until that person is dead though. Like why? What if they stopped crying because they're now taking the soul to the next place?

Jack: That'd be weird. Because if somebody's dying far away, they're with you while that person far away is dying. So they're warning you about a person they're not around.

Cristina: Well, they're taking it as a warning. They're not. Like it might not really be a warning to you. They just happen to live where you're living. Like they maybe didn't want to leave Ireland because they love Ireland. It's their home.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no. I feel like you totally missed everything I just said. The ban. She warns you about somebody dying or about to die. See, regardless of where the person who's dying or about to die might be.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: She's around the people that would care. Oh, okay, so she's not around the dying person.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She. How she delivering the soul if she's nowhere near the dying person?

Cristina: No, I guess not.

Jack: So she would be just like a warning system.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then the reaper is a deliverer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This other creature.

Cristina: Yeah, but the reaper, I guess I'm sure there's another creature that's she.

Jack: I think there's a system of creatures that function in non harmful ways, as well as a sisters and ecosystem.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: As well as the system of creatures that function in exclusively harmful ways. Like a wet church.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which is vicious and dangerous for no f****** reason. So I'm thinking, yeah, I'm thinking that the banshee in this case is harmless, as is the reaper.

Cristina: Yeah. He's just there to collect the soul.

Jack: Yeah. I think those are delivery beings to some degree.

Cristina: One example of the guide of souls that I like. They, they depict them as animals besides of spirits and creatures and stuff like that. They also see them as animals that are warning, I mean, that are there for the dead. In different cultures. It could be horses, deers, dogs, ravens, crows, vultures. There's a bunch of different animals. But the one that I think is the most famous of the animals are birds. Like if you see a huge amount of birds waiting outside a home of the dying, you're like they're here for that person. Well, I think that's the most famous cyberpunk.

Jack: It's well known for the crows.

Cristina: The crow. Okay. Yeah.

Jack: So crows are considered an omen of death, as well as black cats.

Cristina: Yeah. So those are the animals that are gonna, I guess, take the soul with them.

Jack: Interesting that you would say that, because in both the case of crows and the case of cats, they're usually not being noisy or anything. They're just waiting.

Cristina: They're just waiting.

Jack: They're just waiting. Specifically cats. Black cats. A black cat sitting on you while you are in a hospital is a bad sign.

Cristina: Okay, that's interesting.

Jack: Yeah. Like it's about to wait for your soul.

Cristina: Actually, I've heard of dogs, too. Of dogs in the hospitals would do the same. Like they would go to the person who's about to die.

Jack: Yeah. Before they die. Like they know ahead of time you can smell the death.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Well, maybe they're not smelling it. Maybe that's not any normal dog.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or if these deliverers can take over.

Cristina: Creatures, that's possible too.

Jack: Maybe it is a normal dog. Until the liver takes over its body and patiently waits.

Cristina: Mm. What do you think of that? That's pretty interesting.

Jack: So it's a possession that's not violent?

Cristina: No, it's very peaceful in a way. Like the death. Or hopefully the death is as peaceful. Yeah.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. The shadow realm has quite a couple of weird things in there. We got to keep these investigations going. I must see if I can catch. Like I said, with more information that we get, maybe catching a banshee becomes possible.

Cristina: Oh, snap.

Jack: Using science, using any means, we might come across any information based on what we learned. Right. I'll know more where to find a banshee as well as, apparently, I gotta find a woman in white to see if that is a creature of its own. The banshee doesn't seem harmful. The woman in white seems dangerous.

Cristina: What if she's the bad version of the banshee, like we had? Did we decide to scrap that idea?

Jack: No, I. I know what you're talking about, and I was thinking about it earlier, which was that maybe the woman in white is a type of banshee that has become feral. A feral banshee.

Cristina: That's what you were calling them. Feral. Right.

Jack: But the only difference is that we don't know that a banshee has lost anybody or that the banshee has even died. The banshee might not never have been human.

Cristina: No, I don't think so.

Jack: Then Again, the lady in white might just be inhabiting humans or looking like humans that were once alive.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So they might not necessarily have ever been humans either. It's still. They sound so different either way.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like we can see how a wet judge and a wendingo are the same.

Cristina: But they don't look the same either.

Jack: They behave so similarly.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: While these two. Like, they behave so similarly and similar to werewolf, almost.

Cristina: Yeah, There's.

Jack: There's real tight connections there.

Cristina: Well, in.

Jack: While here, there's the big discrepancy in behavior. Like, big. The only commonality is the crying. And not all the women in white cry.

Cristina: No. But a lot of them, I think, do.

Jack: Yeah. So there are some. And the person might have actually died. That's. I guess that's another similarity. They think the person who died became the banshee.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They think it could just be that this creature is taking the shape of somebody dead.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To then warn them of death.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So I guess there are some similarities to look at.

Cristina: So you might find a connection that we're not even thinking about right now.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. There's a line I'm not even thinking about.

Cristina: Yep. Interesting. The psychotrop. In ancient Egypt, they had a God named Anebus. Do you remember him?

Jack: Right, he's the sort of Egyptian God of death or some s***.

Cristina: Yes. He's the. He's a guide of souls.

Jack: Oh, yeah. He's a spirit guide. He's actually not the guide. He's not the death bringer. No, he's the soul deliverer. He's the soul deliverer who delivers it to. Who's gonna weigh it.

Cristina: Yes. Yes, that's exactly. So he's a. Whatever these are called again.

Jack: Reapers.

Cristina: Yep. Reapers. I guess reapers are easier word than calling them psychotomps.

Jack: Maybe it's the same thing. Maybe we're literally talking about the same thing.

Cristina: Yeah. In the Greek mythology, there's the ferryman. Sharon. I don't know his name, but I know the Greek. You know, the ferryman from Hades, that you have to go on his boat to go to the.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: River. Across the river.

Jack: The river Styx.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. So when you die, a family member puts a coin on you so that when your spirit goes there, you could pay. And if you don't pay, you got to stay there a hundred years and wait again to cross. So. And then in Norse mythology, the Valkyries are choosing their favorite warriors to go to Valhalla to be part of Odin's army, because he's preparing for Ragnarok So he's building this army. So they're taking the best warriors for that. And then in modern day, the Jewish reaper is the archangel Samuel, whose row is both as the angel of death and the accuser. I don't know if you heard of that archangel.

Jack: No.

Cristina: And then in many cultures, there's the shaman who both plays the. That person that takes the soul to the dead, but also helps bring people to. Helps in giving birth to people. Like, I guess he would be there when you're. You're giving birth to your child.

Jack: The shaman.

Cristina: The shaman.

Jack: Interesting that I've never heard that name for it. But a very old version of reapers that I've heard are the same, and they're represented with the numbers 1 and 9. And the goal is that they bring their soul delivery in every direction.

Cristina: Yes. Well, the shamans are like that. Yes, exactly like that.

Jack: So the reaper I was thinking about this whole time was a shaman.

Cristina: Yep. Wow. And then in the Philippine culture, they think that the ancestor spirits are the ones that are the reapers. When a person who's dying calls out to call someone's name that's, I guess, dead. Like if you called your mother's name while you were dying, then it's because your mom is there to take you to the next life.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: And that's their thing. And that's pretty interesting because a lot of people probably say someone who's dead already name or whatever. But in. And In Christianity, there's St. Peter, Michael the Archangel and Jesus are thought of as the reaper. Yep, yep, yep.

Jack: Anyways, we're out of time, and that is definitely fascinating. I didn't know how closely related to banshees the women in white were, but there's definitely some lines crossing there. So as we go and find ourselves one of these s****, we got a experiment. Experiment. We got to find out. Because if we find two different things, that's crazy, but maybe they are related the way a wendingo wetcha and a werewolf are.

Cristina: Yes. Like, it's. It's gotta be. It's there. Like we can, like, glimpse at it. We can't really see it as well as those creatures, but it's like there's a tiny glimpse of.

Jack: There's some connection.

Cristina: Connection?

Jack: Yeah, they're either similar or the same.

Cristina: In different ways or like they're different types of the same thing.

Jack: Like a beaver and a badger.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, that's a good example. If you guys heard the shadow people story, not the shadow people. Which episode was that with the beaver and the badger?

Jack: And that was the Shadow Realm. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Yes. You guys check that episode out.

Jack: Yeah. Interesting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If you guys are interested in things of this nature, episodes of this type, there are many, many, many. We're building our understanding of the Shadow Realm as we move forward in order to capture some of these f****** on this side and find out what the h*** is going on with that.

Cristina: It feels like we're playing Pokemon.

Jack: Yeah. Catch them all.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so, I mean, our prison is getting nice and packed. I like it. I mean, it's 95% just like reptilians.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But that's fine. Whatever. It's like, it's realistically 99% reptilian. It's a f****** planet worth of Reptilians and random s*** we added to it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's like really, like 99.99% reptilians.

Cristina: That's a lot of Reptilians.

Jack: Yeah, but we got other s*** in there. Cat people and our guards who are subhumans. Oh, there's a s*** ton of cat people.

Cristina: Yeah. And roach people. I'm not sure. No, no, that's rare because we killed.

Jack: We destroyed a lot of them. Anything that was left was just not on planet.

Cristina: Yeah. So a few roach people, but they probably don't. They multiply like crazy. Yeah.

Jack: They're probably building an army.

Cristina: So. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah, there's probably war gonna happen at some point, but we got Reptilians to toss at them.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: We're ready. We're getting ready. We just got to brainwash everybody we got.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we might have, like, ethereal beings on our side. Whatever. Anyways, if you guys want to hear more of those episodes, you can find the Shadow Realm episode. There's a Shadow Piece People episode, which is part of Groundhog Day episode, which you found out about all this s*** in the first place. And some Adrenochrome episodes and s*** of that nature to get caught up on what we're talking about.

Cristina: If this lawsuit and the Ireland episode, the Irish folklore.

Jack: Yes. So you can find all of those things@graythoughts.info or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or anywhere you get your podcasts.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok @JustConvopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe and to rate. And if you feel so inclined, review.

Cristina: The show and let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes, word of mouth. Very important. Find people who watch that garbage f****** show. Ghost. Ghost Adventures, where the guy gets that super Buff, jacked up guy who could, like, knock out a ghost in one shot.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Is just scared of everything he ever sees. See, if you know people who like that, then send them over here like this, tell them about this show, and they'll tune in and realize, oh, that's what they saw over there in Ghost Adventures.

Cristina: That's why they were that scared.

Jack: That's why they were that scared. Or that guy's a b****. That is a total coward. So, yeah, no, you could do that. Tell your friends, be like, hey, you like ghosts? I gotta show about ghosts for you.

Cristina: Ghostbusters. Yes, this has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. He's scooping the poop.

Cristina: Who's poop?

Jack: He's scooping his own poop.

Cristina: His own pool.

Jack: He says it. He's scoop of the poop. Scoop of the poopa de poop. Scooping the poop that you scoop. He's scooping the poop that.

Cristina: I don't know if that's right.

Jack: Amen. We know he's scooping poop.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we know the poops being scooped.

Cristina: Definitely.

Jack: In order for this poop to be scooped, there must have been poop.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So somebody pooped. No other characters are mentioned in the story other than the fact that he's scooping poop.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's no cats, there's no dogs. There's no. No other person. Nothing else is mentioned other than the fact that he, the singular character, is.

Cristina: Cooping poop, but he doesn't say it's his poop. What if it was just poop?

Jack: It's not. It's from where? There's no other characters in the story. No other characters in the story. There's one character.

Cristina: Mention of someone else.

Jack: No, there's one character in the story. Him scooping the poop. Meaning it's his poopy scooping. Okay, this is writing 101.

Cristina: Okay. It's his poop.

Jack: It's not a magical poop that popped out of nowhere and just exists without a beginning and end. How do you know it's just always existed there?

Cristina: Yeah, that's why he's always scooping it, because it keeps reappearing.

Jack: No, the song is about the one time he pooped and then he scooped his poop.

Cristina: Just one moment.

Jack: Yes. It's about. Isn't that all songs are about a moment or an event, a series of events related to each other? If it's not one moment. But this sounds like a song about one moment where he was just scooping poop.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister. With social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 121: Moon Folklore

What did our ancestors believe about the moon? And how did they come to these conclusions? Unpacking cultural stories about the moon.

Story
The duo decide to begin investigations into the moon. Starting their search for knowledge on cultural tales told through the ages, the duo begins to understand how similar these stories are to one another. In questioning these similarities, the duo comes to an unexpected conclusion! Find out what on this episode of Just Conversation!!

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  • The Names of Full Moons
  • Cultural Beliefs
  • Moon Gods
  • Native American Moon Folklore
  • Cheese Moon Theories
  • Egyptian Gods
  • Aztec Gods
  • The Moon Rabbit

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Cristina: Do y' all like weird stuff? How about mysterious stuff? Are you a skeptic or a believer? Wanna hear the legend and the facts and the lore and the science and the myth and the theories? Come on down to none of this is Real, the podcast for all things mysterious and weird with us, Doomsday Demeni and Sarah Sinkhole, lifelong friends who have spent years poking their fingers through the veil, all while making each other laugh till it hurts. Find us on all the major podcast platforms and social media. That's none of this is Real, the podcast. You don't have to believe any, but you do have to believe on yourself. Believe all over yourself. Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean? Welcome to Just Conversation, the show where we ground humanity most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm host Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

Cristina: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Jack: Yes, and also this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner, so be sure to find somebody to pull nice and close and get ready to listen to some exciting woke teachings from the spirit realm.

Cristina: From the spirit realm? We're in the spirit realm now?

Jack: Sure.

Cristina: When did that happen?

Jack: In our excavation. We've been looking, researching, doing things, and now we're reporting from the spirit realm because I've decided.

Cristina: So what, did you send us here?

Jack: Yes, with my mind.

Cristina: With your mind.

Jack: With the power of imagination.

Cristina: Amazing. Amazing. So you remember that time a few months ago where we talked about the moon on the Halloween episode?

Jack: Right. What about it?

Cristina: That the full moons had names and I mentioned two of them. The harvest moon and the. What was the other one? The harvest moon and the hunter's moon. Well, I want to talk about the other names because they all have names.

Jack: Right? What are the names?

Cristina: This month, the moon will be called the worm moon. The full moon will be called the worm moon for this month because worms begin to appear.

Jack: Worms begin to appear?

Cristina: Yes, because they've been hibernating, I guess. Worms hibernate, I'm assuming. Yes. They hide from the cold the whole time. And now it's time for them to come out and do wormy stuff out here. I don't know why they would pop out. Why would they pop out?

Jack: I don't know. I don't think they get anything from over the dirt.

Cristina: They want to be eaten by birds. They're making a sacrifice to their bird gods.

Jack: Could be. Can you Imagine, probably.

Cristina: That's crazy. Like, what reason do they have? But, yes, they come out. And next month is the pink moon because there's flowers. Pink flowers on the ground. Not just. I mean, there's other flowers, but they pop up in May. That's why May is the flower moon.

Jack: But I'm definitely positive that other flowers come out in the pink moon.

Cristina: Yeah, but I bet pink flowers are more often. I don't know how they came up with that. Maybe the pink flowers probably disappear by the time the flower moon appears. There's no pink flowers in May.

Jack: No, there's definitely pink flowers throughout the whole year.

Cristina: Throughout the whole year? Yeah. There's pink flowers everywhere in winter.

Jack: Well, when there's flowers, there's pink flowers.

Cristina: Yes. And then in June is the strawberry moon because the strawberries are ready to be picked. And Ian. And in July is the buck moon, because the bucks are growing new antlers. And then on August is the sturgeon moon, which is a large fish found in the Great Lakes. And they're easily caught this time of year because I guess they're coming out of hibernation. I don't know what's happening in August. Or they're mating. Maybe that's their mating season. So they're all together and so they're easier to catch.

Jack: That's probably what happens. I'm sure that they're in mating seasons. Animals are easiest to catch because they are in larger numbers together trying to find one another.

Cristina: Yeah. Then the harvest moon, of course, is September or October. And then the corn moon is on September, which is the time to harvest corn. Delicious.

Jack: So corn doesn't grow year round.

Cristina: This is when they stop. Well, I guess this is the last time you can get corn before they don't grow anymore. And then the October is the hunter's moon because you're preparing to go hunting for the last time, also to prepare for winter. And then in November is beaver moon, because they're more active building their dams, their winter homes.

Jack: The dams are for winter?

Cristina: I think so. That's what I like to believe, that the dams are where they live for the winter. I don't know if they live in the dams, but angry beaver makes me believe that they live in those dams. They become more active in building their winter dams in preparation for the cold season. But why do they need their winter dams?

Jack: Oh, I guess it is to go vibernant.

Cristina: They're just obsessed with the dams. And then December is code moon, because winter is beginning. January is wolf moon, because the wolves are howling. Because they're hungry maybe. Or they're calling for each other. Like it's time to go out and hunt or to get together and what's the other thing? And mate.

Jack: Mate. Could be. It seems like mating would probably be reasonable around when animals are contacting one another.

Cristina: Yeah. And then February is the snow moon because a lot of snow. The heaviest snowfalls happen in the middle of winter, which is usually February. Around February Sounds legit. Yep, yep. And those are the incredible names of the HFU moons. And the moon is interesting because of how people all over the world see the moon as being something special.

Jack: Like religions. Like religions and Islam and old school Christians and Native Americans and pretty much every culture underdeveloped at some point. Indigenous people.

Cristina: Yeah. There's a bunch of themes and beliefs they have for the moon that they have in common, even if they're not all like the exact same story told over and over. There's like themes that match around what the moon represents. The easiest one is like the phases of the moon symbolizing birth and death. Because the changing of the phases of the moon is like a cycle. So it's just the moon represents many different types of cycles like birth and death and creation and destruction and things like that. It also symbolizes immortality and eternity because gods are immortal. And so the moon is. There's a few stories that have to do with the moon being a place where the elixir of life is at. For some reason, or at least in two stories there seems to be. So I don't know why the moon has it, but it has something to do with the phases of the moon. Like it's water, because they can control the water on Earth, they see the moon as water as well. So it's the elixir of life itself. Like it's the actual bottle that the gods are drinking. And people also see as comparing it to the stages of humans life. Like the new moon is the infant and the waning moon is the decline of life. Like it's dying, then it's coming back to life, like, you know, rebirth and that stuff. And that stuff appears in many of their stories.

Jack: Many whose stories?

Cristina: Many different stories that I will talk about. But first I want to talk about Khonsu, the Egyptian God of the moon. His name means traveler. And he's also thought of the as a pathfinder and defender. He guides and protects those who travel at night against wild animals and thieves and whatever the dangerous things that are out there.

Jack: Right. Why do they believe that?

Cristina: Why do they believe he protects them yes, because he guides them well, the moon itself is guiding them. They're using the moon's light to help them. So they believe whatever is in control of the moon, which I guess is that God. It's him that's helping them through the moon.

Jack: Got it.

Cristina: That's helping them.

Jack: You know symbolism.

Cristina: Yes, yes. That's why I think a lot of people see with the moon is like it's symbolizing something else. It's not the actual God, but it's like the God has some control over the moon as an object.

Jack: Yeah. Like it's a celestial object.

Cristina: Mm. This God has. Is sometimes a young man, but sometimes he's a hawk headed man. Because a lot of their gods have, you know, animal heads. But I wonder because he is also a lot of.

Jack: Whose gods?

Cristina: Egyptian gods.

Jack: Oh, okay.

Cristina: Have animal heads, but they also show him as a young man. So I don't know about other gods, but I wonder if they also have human forms and animal headed forms. Forms. I don't know how, because I know there's also.

Jack: There are animal headed forms.

Cristina: No, I mean, like, do they have both? Like this guy, he has both a human form and then the hawk head form. Do all the gods behave like that? Because there's also gods that have three different body animal parts. Do they also have a human part or a complete human form? But I'm not sure about that. I'm just curious about that. Okay. And he is also the God of time. He's also seen as a God of healing. He's healed the pharaoh, or they say he healed the pharaoh. He also, before they saw him as this kind God that heals and protects. He was a bloodthirsty God who helped the dying king catch and eat other gods.

Jack: Other gods?

Cristina: Yes, other gods.

Jack: A God who would catch gods to feed to a king?

Cristina: Yes, a dying king.

Jack: Why do they believe that?

Cristina: That was the story written super long ago. I don't know if they have the explanation for that, but that was like written on Egyptian coffin thing. That's where they get a lot of these ancient stories, man.

Jack: I wonder if we truly understand what these hieroglyphs say.

Cristina: Yeah, like that's. That's probably a problem. Like, are we reading them right?

Jack: Are we reading them at all? Are we making up what we're saying?

Cristina: Are we making? Exactly, yes. Are we making. Because it's just pictures.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: We're applying meaning to pictures. We find we have people who believe they're experts at piecing together other people's pictures. Yet to this day, we consider art up to interpretation. So how the f*** do we consider that not just to be up to interpretation? We just sell s*** like it's fact?

Cristina: Huh? So I guess this story could totally be untrue. I mean, if people nowadays see him as a good guy, maybe he was always a good guy. And this one guy who read this story was like, nah.

Jack: Or maybe he was always a bad guy.

Cristina: Where he was always a bad guy and people just changed their opinion on him over time.

Jack: Not necessarily their opinion, just whoever's reading the thing at any given moment. Because we don't know what it says.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or even if it says anything. Or even if it could just be drawings.

Cristina: It could just be drawings, huh? Maybe. And then there's Artemis, the Greek God. And also Diana, I think, is the other one that's. She's not Greek, she's the Roman God. But they're almost equal in a lot of ways. They pretty much symbolize the exact same things, even though they're from different cultures, they're from different locations. Greek, Roman. Yeah. So Artemis is a Greek God. She's the goddess of hunt, wilderness, wild animals, chastity, and the moon. She is the daughter of Zeus and Leto and the twin sister of Apollo. She's known to have the ability to give diseases to young women who disobey her instructions. But she also has the ability to heal young girls that were ill.

Jack: So the God of women.

Cristina: Yeah, the God of women also. Yeah. I don't know why she's the God of moon. I think somehow moon and women somehow relate. I just don't know how the two relate.

Jack: They're probably attaching menstrual cycles to it.

Cristina: Yes, that's probably it. That's a very important thing. In a lot of these religions and things. They connect the menstrual cycle with the moon. And according to a Greek legend, there was the queen of Thebes. Her name was Niobe, who I guess made fun of their mom. Artemis and her brother Niobe had more children than Leto, so she was making fun of her, I guess. And then the two kids decided, well, this isn't right, and then they murdered her children. I like that story. She made fun of their mom because their mom only had two kids, which is the twins. And Niobe, who made fun of Leto, had 14 children. So they murdered all 14 children. So now Leto has more children than Niobe, who was making fun of her.

Jack: This is a good thing or a bad thing? Where does it stand with people?

Cristina: I don't know. I just think it's an interesting story.

Jack: Like gods killing other gods.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, no. Naobi was a regular lady. She was the queen of thieves. She was a queen.

Jack: Niobe is not a God.

Cristina: No, she's a queen. She's human. And she made fun of a God. I guess that's the big thing, is, like, you don't make fun of gods or their children will get revenge.

Jack: Naomi's children got killed.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Got it.

Cristina: She had 14 children. They're all dead now. Or they're dead. Yep. So that's cool. I mean, Artemis has done a bunch of other violent things, but that was the most interesting one, I thought. Not very moon related. But there's Har. It's like, for that one at least for her, I couldn't really find anything about the moon relating to her. But a lot of other gods definitely have stories relating why they are the representation of the moon, or whatever you want to call it, the God of the moon. There's Mani, the Norse personification of the moon. He is the God of the moon and he's the brother of the goddess of the sun, who. Her name is Sol. Both Sol and Mani are being chased endlessly by a pair of wolves. I think you know the story. They're destined to be caught and devoured by the wolves at Ragnarok. Because the wolves, I think, are the children of Loki.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: If I'm getting that. That's right. Okay. Yes. I thought that was interesting. Yep. They're just constantly. They're moving around in the sky, running from the wolves.

Jack: Okay, that makes sense. That's why they're moving in the sky at all.

Cristina: Yeah. And the lunar eclipse is thought of when one of the wolves was very close to Mani, the moon God, like he was about to eat him.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: But of course he doesn't. So that's why he comes back. But that's a really interesting way to explain that. So he's not the moon. But it's interesting because he's not the only one who does this. But he's steering a chariot in the sky, which I guess is part of the moon. I'm not sure. But he's not the only moon God that's steering a chariot. And I forgot where that other guy was from. I think he is the Hindu God, but I might be wrong. But I think he is also steering a chariot, which I don't know where they got these two ideas. They're very far from each other, aren't they? Hindu? And I don't know.

Jack: Where did Norse mythology happen?

Cristina: Where did it happen in Norse. That's not a location. No, in Scotland. And the phases of the moon were said to represent his endless running from the wolf, you know, trying to avoid him. And that's why the moon changes, because it's like. I don't. He's guiding the moon. The moon is with him and is changing its side depending on how he's moving. Right? That sounds right.

Jack: Got it. So they're running together.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. So there's many moon folklore around the world. Many. And we're going to start in Native American folklore. Native Americans see the sun and the moon as a leader and his wife and the stars are their children. The sun loves to catch and eat his children, which are the stars, and they flee from the sky. When, you know the morning is coming. The stars are disappearing because they're running from the sun. And then at night, the moon comes, and he's. It's playing with the. Or I guess she's playing with the stars, the children, while the sun is asleep. But once a month, she turns her face because she's mourning for the children that were caught from the sun. And when she's mourning is when it's a new moon. The new moon would be her turning her back, I guess, from the world because she's crying.

Jack: No, that's crazy. So they think the sun is a murderer.

Cristina: A lot of these stories, the son is a murderer, and one of them, the son is a rapist to his.

Jack: Sister, which is the moon.

Cristina: Yes. In Nigeria, there are people that believe the sun and the moon are husband and wife. Long ago, they lived on earth, and then their best friend, the flood, came over to visit their house.

Jack: And then the flood?

Cristina: Yes, the flood. A flood. I don't know why they were friends with the flood, but it came over their house, and they couldn't stay in their house because they would drown. So they ended up having to go into the sky, and now they live there.

Jack: So the flood isn't like their enemy?

Cristina: I would think it would be, but they considered it their best friend. I guess they don't think of him as their best friend anymore.

Jack: And what Nigerian culture believes this?

Cristina: The epic Ebiboio people of Nigeria, is.

Jack: That like a tribe? Is it a religion?

Cristina: A tribe? A tribe of people in Nigeria believe this. A lot of these are from tribes. Another one in Kenya, the Luiya. The Luiya people believe the sun and moon are brothers. The moon was older, bigger, and brighter, and the sun got jealous and picked a fight with him. Then during the fight, the moon fell into Mud. And that's why it's dimmer now. And I guess that also explains the dark of it. You know, the spots that I have that people see things on the moon sometimes. The craters. Yeah, yeah. So that's explaining why the moon isn't as bright as the sun.

Jack: Moon is just dirty.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, and also God told them to stop fighting and kept them apart by ordering the sun to only be around here during the day and the moon at night.

Jack: Which doesn't happen.

Cristina: Which doesn't happen. Well, they try, I guess. I don't.

Jack: The moon and sun are regularly together.

Cristina: Well, they're trying to fight each other again, but no one. I wonder if that eclipse for them then when they're about to fight each other again.

Jack: Well, no, because there's many, many times that the moon is out during the.

Cristina: Daylight, but that's when it's going back home or going back is leaving while the sun is coming.

Jack: That doesn't work that way.

Cristina: No. Well, that's how they're seeing it happening.

Jack: Right, but how do they interpret when it's broad the middle daylight.

Cristina: Oh, and they see the shadow of the moon.

Jack: No, they literally see the moon in the middle of daylight as well.

Cristina: I don't know. Maybe they don't see it as the moon.

Jack: They think that's a different rock.

Cristina: Yes, it's a different rock. And then in. In the Indonesia island of Hava, there are a tribe there that think there's a moon goddess who came to Earth to bathe in a lake. And while she was bathing, a man stole her swan feathers because she does the thing that werewolves do and she's just wearing a swan. I guess she was a swan when she landed. She took it off, she became human. The guy stole the swan feathers so she couldn't leave back to the sky. So she married the man.

Jack: So no more moon.

Cristina: Well, no, that's not the end of the story. And then she did end up finding her swan feathers and now she can return to the sky. But she has children here. So she'll go back to the sky at night and then come spend the daytime hours on Earth with her husband and their daughter.

Jack: Interesting. And does anybody believe they knew who this woman was?

Cristina: They probably know her right now. Like she probably doesn't die. Unless there's a story explaining why she's not there. No, no more. Maybe they suspect someone to be her.

Jack: Yeah, like basically the difference between God and like Jesus, except it's continuous. So like God is up there, but randomly he's not. So sometimes people Just. Well, I don't feel the spirit of God. Oh, he must be on earth today.

Cristina: Really? That's the thing.

Jack: No, I'm using an example.

Cristina: Okay. Okay. Well, that would be really interesting if there was stories like that though. But I thought it was interesting that she had a swan outfit. Like, I wonder how many different creatures they saw as just people in disguise.

Jack: Or I guess not in disguise, but rather they have like a magic get up.

Cristina: Yeah. Or are they magical creatures that have human skin under their fur or something? I don't. I don't really understand how it works because she. She's a moon, but she dresses into a swan and then she looks like a human. So when she's back, like what turns her from one to the other?

Jack: Taking it off.

Cristina: She takes off her human skin and turns into the moon?

Jack: No, putting. I guess she's just human with powers. Putting on the swan outfit makes her the moon.

Cristina: maybe. I don't know. It's weird, but. Yes, but that's interesting that a bunch of stories used to be like that. I don't think there's anything like that anymore. Like the werewolves came from stories like that of men with for belts or whatever. And then they turned into werewolves.

Jack: Yeah, I remember that.

Cristina: Yeah. So. But. And now they're just werewolves. They don't need anything. They just. Full moon. Hey, full moon. But alright. In Siberia, the story of why the moon is scarred, they believe that it's fang marks left from this thing called. I think that's how you say it. And he's a monster with huge black wings. He's the personification of the darkness of the sky. And he feeds on the moon every night. He's just slowly devouring it for the whole month. But the problem is that he can't actually eat the moon. Like eating the moon upsets his stomach. So by the end he ends up vomiting the moon. And then piece by piece the moon comes back because he vomited out. And that explains also why the moon.

Jack: Has phases and then he eats it again. So he's eating his vomit?

Cristina: Essentially, yes.

Jack: It's a sort of God creature that's consistently eating his vomit for all of eternity.

Cristina: Because it's delicious, it's addicting. It's the most addicting vomit he's ever had.

Jack: It's the only vomit he's ever had. Yeah, it's been happening for eternity.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's the perpetual cycle of vomiting.

Cristina: Yeah, that's disgusting. But who knows? Maybe it's delicious, I don't know. But he keeps doing it so it must be delicious, right? And then in. In Serbia, they probably. What's the oldest explanation for why we say the moon is made of cheese? Which is there was a wolf chasing a fox. The fox convinced the wolf that there was a block of cheese in the bottom of a pond. And the wolf didn't realize that it was just the reflection of the moon. So he went to drink the pond and eventually he blew up.

Jack: But he explains, he blew up because there were explosives in the pond.

Cristina: He was just so filled with water. He just kept drinking. He just never stopped because he needed that cheese. I don't know why he thought that cheese would be better than that fox, though. Like fox or cheese for wolf.

Jack: Maybe wolves love cheese.

Cristina: Maybe wolves loves cheese.

Jack: Maybe that's their s***.

Cristina: He exploded for that. He drank all that water for some cheese. What?

Jack: Maybe cheese is rare for fox, for wolves. Maybe cheese is rare for wolves.

Cristina: Don't they have good smells? Can he smell that? There's no cheese.

Jack: Not under the water.

Cristina: Mmm. Well, yes, he blew up. And it's amazing. And that's probably one of the oldest stories of why the moon is made out of cheese. Although I think people also see the moon as cheese somehow. Like they see it as different things. They see different things on the moon, I guess, like the craters look like cheese hose. But also a lot of people say the man on the moon, they see a face of a man on the.

Jack: Moon, this super epic. One time when the lunar rover landed and it sent back that weird message and they were like, what? And then they aimed the telescope that zoomed in like crazy. And they found a castle made of cheese. And the rover was like, I do not compute. And they were like, sir, Captain of NASA, there's a cheese castle up there. And we discovered the cheese people that day.

Cristina: I thought that we made that cheese castle. No, that had nothing to do with us.

Jack: That had nothing to do with us.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: That cheese castle.

Cristina: We just have cheese people living on the moon.

Jack: Cheese people living on the moon? Well, they're not people made of cheese, but we call them cheese people because they're people who make things of cheese.

Cristina: That's disgusting.

Jack: They go out of their way to breed farm cows.

Cristina: So there's cows on the moon?

Jack: Yes, on the dark side of the moon.

Cristina: That's why they keep the cows.

Jack: That's where they keep the cows. See, what people don't understand is that the moon isn't real.

Cristina: What? But then how about everything we just said?

Jack: Well, that's not the moon. The moon Wasn't like a natural creation. The moon was put there by them. By them. It's a spaceship.

Cristina: It's a spaceship. And they. That's why they kidnap our cows?

Jack: Yes. The cows get taken to the moon to make infrastructure with their milk.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Facts. You could go to the library of the Freemasons and find this.

Cristina: Nah. If they're stealing our cows, it's cuz they love cheese. They love eating cheese. There's no way that they need cheese to build things with.

Jack: They eat their buildings.

Cristina: No, that's crazy. That's crazy. How did they get this far if they're living in cheesy buildings?

Jack: They also. They're aliens. They figured out the formula to preserve cheese forever.

Cristina: They love cheese that much. They're just obsessed with cheese. That's amazing.

Jack: To be fair, if we travel far enough in an infinite universe, eventually, like, every possibility should happen. So there should be a region of space where there's a planet of people who build things of cheese. That should be a real thing, like just based on science.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Mathematically speaking, the numbers tell us there should be somewhere in the universe where there are cheese structures. So that wolf wasn't far off?

Cristina: That wolf wasn't far off, I guess. I wish. Where are these aliens? Where are they? Where's the whale alien that's just swimming through space? If you can describe it that way, that'd be awesome. Yes. Yes, it would.

Jack: Maybe it's out there and we just. We suck at looking at space. We pretend we're awesome, but, like, maybe it's floating out there. We don't even see it.

Cristina: I know. It's so crazy. There could be mad stuff.

Jack: There's probably a bunch of s*** living inside the meteor belt.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: Although the meteor bell is also not as close together as movies would pretend they are.

Cristina: Yeah, but they could be living in there. I mean, how do we examine that? Do we even look at that?

Jack: We can't really see anything in there.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So there could be things in there.

Jack: What, they think there's a planet in there.

Cristina: They think they don't even know.

Jack: Nope. There's no way to tell.

Cristina: Oh, okay. It's one of those things that, like, there's gravity doing something weird there.

Jack: Yeah. And then we were like, well, what could explain it? Boom. Planet.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So. Man, we suck. Especially looking at things around us. Like, we do a better job looking at other star systems.

Jack: We do a really s***** job of looking at other star systems. We're worse than that.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yes. We just happen to have picked Something we could already aim at. But how much s*** are we not aiming at? The further out, the less we could see.

Cristina: Oh man. So is there a specific spot before, like that is a perfect space that we could see of, or is that not a thing. Everything's just crap.

Jack: Yeah, we just have certain spots that we favor. Okay, but we miss 99.99% of everything in space. Of course, even in our observable distance, we see almost none of it.

Cristina: Then why do we cry about there not being any aliens? We can hardly see anything.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Because we figured.

Jack: We figured they would come to us.

Cristina: I can't. Ah. Like we just got blind and we're looking around the room and they're like, why isn't there anyone here? And there's probably someone right there trying to help us guide. Like trying to walk us to the right direction. And we're not paying attention to them.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: In Greenland, the Inuits believe that their moon God raped his sister, the sun goddess, and that every night he chases her to possess her again. And he also, the whole time he's starving as he runs, getting smaller and smaller every night until he disappears. And then he slowly comes back to his full self in like, I think they say, like three days. That whole time he's taking a break to eat and he's full again. Which is another explanation of the moon phases.

Jack: Interesting. But it takes way more than three days.

Cristina: Oh, it's not. Okay, how many days does it take?

Jack: From 15 in either direction.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah.

Jack: On average it takes about 15 days for a moon to fully dissipate and another 15 to come back. That's why there's only one full moon a month.

Cristina: Okay, well then he takes a 15 day break to eat and then he chases his sister, I guess to rape her again. What a beautiful story. I wonder where they get that story from. How random. It could be anything. Chasing anyone. Chasing anyone for any reason.

Jack: Does it take 15 days?

Cristina: So he eats for 15 days, but he takes a three day break to eat to be full, and then he continues on running after her. That makes sense because you see the full moon three for about three days.

Jack: Before it's visibly shrinking.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. So. And during that time is when he's feeding to chase her again. Yay. And then in Africa, there's several indigenous peoples around the continent that call the moon God MAU MAU. And Mawu's companion is the sun goddess, Lisa. And. Oh, and when they meet and make love, they make an eclipse. And also they created the World. Their son Gu is the smith God. They used him to shape the universe. And also there's a serpent, his name is Da, who helped them during the creation, which I thought was interesting because you mentioned there's serpents everywhere in different stories.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: So here's the serpent. And so Muwu was the goddess of night, joy and motherhood. And Lisa was the God of day, heat and strength. And in Aztec, there was a moon goddess. Her name is very complicated, but it means the Golden Bells. She was the daughter of the earth goddess and the sister of the sun God. And golden bells encouraged her 400 sisters and brothers to kill their mother. I don't know why, but she wanted her mom dead. But when she was planning, when she was about to do that, her mom gave birth to her brother, the sun God. When he was born, he was an adult already and he saved her life. And then he cut off his sister's head and threw it into the sky and it formed into the moon. How cool is that?

Jack: So he turned out to be the killer.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And also, are the brother and sisters the stars?

Cristina: Maybe. I feel like it. 400 sisters and brothers. I don't know what they were, but they must be. Right. But what's the mom? Because usually the mom is. Everyone is something in the story. And in this one, except the sister.

Jack: Was not the moon yet.

Cristina: She was just the moon goddess. Or maybe she became the moon goddess after this. Whatever. Now she's the moon. That's the important thing. She is the moon for trying to kill her mommy. And in Hindu, Soma represents the God of the moon. And he rides through the sky in a chariot drawn by white horses, which is similar to the Egyptian God Mari from the Norse mythology also had a chariot. So I thought that was interesting that two different places had the moon on chariot, or the moon God on chariot. Soma was also named the elixir of immortality. That was the name of it. And only the gods can drink it. And it was stored in the moon in. Yes.

Jack: The moon is just an alcohol container.

Cristina: Yes. And when the gods drink the moon, that's when the moon wanes because the gods are drinking away some of its properties. Because it's the actual liquid in the moon that's being poured out into the gods. In New Zealand, there are people called the Mari people who see a girl in a bucket on the moon. And their explanation for that is that there was a lady who was carrying a bucket of water to her children in a cloudy night. And in a moment the clouds covered the moon and she tripped and fell. So then she cursed at the moon for her falling. And then the moon heard that and got angry. So he cursed it, cursed the Mari people. And then it grabbed the girl. The grabbed the lady and the bucket and threw her to the moon. Or I guess he kidnapped her.

Jack: The moon kidnapped the lady?

Cristina: Yes. So that's why they see the lady with the bucket on the moon. Because she was still holding the bucket when he took her.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Yes. It's strange the different things people see on the moon.

Jack: Yes, it's really weird.

Cristina: Also, when the girl's upset, she. When she drops her bucket on the moon, it rains. That explains, because they were explaining the rain and stuff on the Earth. It comes from the moon, I guess, to them.

Jack: And it's what happens when it rains on a moonless day.

Cristina: What happens when it rains on a moonless day? They're like, the moon is out there no matter what. We're scientists like that. We know it's there.

Jack: It's just hiding.

Cristina: It's just hiding. The Japanese people believe that the moon is a fortune telling God. So the priests that want to fortune tell would study the moon's reflection on Amera because they believed if they looked into the moon that it would drive them crazy. So it's like a superstition about the moon.

Jack: So they would just not look at the moon.

Cristina: Yeah, but just the reflection on the mirror because they thought it would drive them crazy.

Jack: Because meanwhile looking at the sun. A. Okay.

Cristina: Yes, it's perfectly fine. But it's interesting because a lot of people think the moon drives people crazy. So it's a different story, a different version of.

Jack: That's how werewolves happen.

Cristina: Just like werewolves, it's just people going mad. And Shinto, the moon God Tsukiyumi, was born out of the right eye of a ancient being. And he used to live in the heavens with his sister, the sun God, Amaterasu. But she asked him to represent her to the goddess of food, whose name is Yukimashi. To celebrate, the goddess of food offered him a meal, and she created the meal from her mouth and nose. He thought that was disgusting, so he killed her. But then when his sister learned about what he did, she was so angry that she didn't want to see him anymore. And since then, the brother and sister live apart, and they take turns being in the sky.

Jack: So broken up family.

Cristina: Yeah. Yep. Such a strange. Like he was born out of an eyeball and he was disgusted by this lady who made food out of her mouth and nose. But I'm Sure. Her nose and mouth would grow back. Like, she's the God of food. I'm sure the food is fine, right? I don't know, but. Or maybe it's not. I don't know. I don't know anything about gods. Okay.

Jack: Perfection. The food should be amazing.

Cristina: It should be like, she's the God of food. This is her thing. She's known for this. Why would you be disgusted? Like, why not at least give it a try? I would think you could trust it, but I don't know. Then there's the Mayan people. They have a old goddess. I mean, their moon goddess is an old lady. Her name is Ixchel. I think it means the lady rainbow. She was depicted as an old lady wearing a skirt with cross bones. And she had a serpent in her hand. Look at that, a serpent showing up. Anyway, she had the assistant sky serpent, whom they believe carried the waters of heavens in its belly, because the moon and water, the serpent is carrying the water. Okay. And she also carries a jug filled with water as well, which she uses to send floods and powerful rainstorms to the earth. So, yeah, they're all related, you see, in some little ways, but. Okay.

Jack: And then, I mean, most stories share an origin to begin with. There's probably like, you could trace all of this back to a single point that then kept branching off into many different stories.

Cristina: You think there was one story? One story.

Jack: Not literally one story, but like many of these stories have a similar origin. So each area might have a bunch of stories that came from one point, from one observation. Then the story got told and altered tiny bits every time it was told until different cultures around the same region had different explanations for the same thing.

Cristina: Yes. Yes, I think so. And in China in the ancient times, there were. They believed that there was 12 different moons for the different 12 different months of the year and 10 suns that were the 10 days in the Chinese week. The mother of the 12 moons was the same as the mother of the 10 sons. And at the beginning of each month, the mother washed her children in the lake in the. At the extreme western side of the world. Then each moon, one after the other, would travel to in a chariot. In a chariot for a month's journey to reach the opposite side of the world. And that's where the suns will begin their journey. And I thought that was interesting. Chariots and all interesting.

Jack: It looks like they're all Asian cultures that believe that, though, because the other one was Hindu, right?

Cristina: Yeah, it was Hindu. And what was the third? The first one was Norse. Whatever that is.

Jack: Oh, crap. Norse. Thus far.

Cristina: Yeah. And then there's this one thing that a lot of places have is the moon rabbit, which is people see a rabbit on the moon, and there's a bunch of explanations for this moon rabbit. In China, it's very popular. So the folklore began in China and then spread to the other Asian cultures. Story goes that the rabbit is seen as the companion of the moon goddess Shang O. And it's on the moon pounding the elixir of life for her. Hey, similar to some other story, right? Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: The elixir of life, which seems to.

Jack: Be on the moon.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: In a castle made of cheese.

Cristina: A castle made of cheese? Yes. So this woman once used to be immortal, but was turned immortal for bad behavior. And now she's just trying to get back into the good side of the other gods by making this elixir and living forever. But, like, the first time, she drank the too much of it, and she ended up floating onto the moon, and then she made that her home. So now she lives there with a rabbit who's trying to come up with the perfect formula for this elixir to keep her alive forever.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Which. It seems like it's still working. I mean, I guess it's like adrenochrome, where you got to drink it forever. Consistently? Yes, consistently. Or you will die.

Jack: It could be like the limitless pill where you take it and the effects are slowly going to wear off and make you go crazy.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: And so they're looking for the perfect one where you take it once and you're just good forever.

Cristina: Yes. Man. We got to get that. I mean, we're on the moon. No, we're not. What did you say we were? Dream. No, I don't remember.

Jack: The spirit realm.

Cristina: The spirit realm. What are we doing here? Whatever. In the Japanese and Korean versions, the rabbit is pounding either ingredients for mashi or for some kind of rice cake.

Jack: Pounding. What do we mean? It's f******, like, the stuff. It's just f****** ingredients. It takes a pounding.

Cristina: Like jumping on it, like with its pouncing. Pounding. The word is pounding, but. Or hitting. Maybe they see it hitting something like that. I don't know.

Jack: It's very strange.

Cristina: Pound. Excuse the word pound, but I think they mean hit or jump. It's hitting something, and that's what they believe it is.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: It's hitting a ball, which I guess, you know, there's a ball in the moon. One of the. You know, there's so many blobs on the moon. They see one as a rabbit, one as whatever they think it is, whether it's the medicine or rice ball or. What was the first one? The elixir.

Jack: Yeah. So the rabbits up their f****** balls.

Cristina: Yes. And also in China they instead of using the word the moon, they call it either the jade hair or the gold hair. These are pretty cool names. Pretty cool. Well, the rabbit is not just seen it from the Asian folklores, but also in indigenous American folklore there's a bunch of stories and they're also similar about like the rabbit is sacrificing its life usually and it ends up on the moon somehow. And also further in North America to Canada, they also have a rabbit story. Who with a rabbit that wished to ride the moon. And that's how the rabbit ended up on the moon. So there's a bunch of places.

Jack: How'd it get to the moon to ride the moon?

Cristina: That bird, the crane flew it there. That's how it got its super long legs.

Jack: Got it.

Cristina: Yep, yep.

Jack: Yeah, that makes sense.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So flying to the moon and all.

Cristina: So China, I mean, the Asian cultures aren't the only ones that see the rabbit. A bunch of other places see the rabbit.

Jack: There's a lot of consistency. Chances are it did begin these very similar stories began as one and then sort of evolved depending on the culture.

Cristina: Okay, so that's it for now. I think that's enough moon stuff. And I know there's a lot, but I tried my best to give as much as I can.

Jack: Yes, very fascinating. It's crazy how many different cultures have. But I guess all cultures had to explain the universe one way or another. And before science was like a sure thing because there were science minded people, the science wasn't really a thing. Thing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And I think before science became a thing, people just had explanations. They were always mystical.

Cristina: They're always mystical. Yeah. And I think the moon is just really interesting because of its whole face thing. It makes it much more interesting than anything else up in the sky that just looks static. Yeah, everything looks static, even the shiny or whatever. Like. Yeah, it's just really big. But the moon is got that interesting.

Jack: Phase thing and way more visible.

Cristina: Mmm. Mm.

Jack: The moon is clearer than the sun because the sun is too bright and the stars are some too dim and too small. Whether dim or not.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And there both of these instances, the sun and the stars are very static. While the moon has phases, it moves around the sky in visible ways and.

Cristina: We can see a bunch of crap on it that's not even there.

Jack: Even with like wack telescopes, you can see pretty well.

Cristina: That's pretty awesome. But anyway, it's time to close the show. It's time to close the bag. Was it that they say in Comedy.

Jack: Central, time to close? No, it's a plug bag.

Cristina: It's a plug bag. It's time to close the plug bag. Oh, no. It's time to open the plug bag. No, I did the opposite that they do. Okay. It's time to open the plug bag. No. Okay. Anyway, you can find more things like this, I think. Have we done anything like this? Well, we've gone all over the place. So you can find other things.

Jack: Yeah. I'm pretty sure we've mentioned the moon before. Probably not in great detail, but it's come up before for different reasons. And because of aliens and space travel and werewolves. And werewolves and probably demons and, you know, we handle things in outer space because it's part of our job.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: What we do is deal with space creatures and interdimensional beings and things of that nature.

Cristina: Yeah. That's all we do.

Jack: And we got Mars and some stuff on the moon and apparently the moon castle with cheese Castle. To cheese Castle where there's aliens. Anyways, you can find all that stuff on the official website, greythoughts.info or Apple Podcasts, Spotify and anywhere else you get your podcast.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok, uscombopod.

Jack: And remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Cristina: Let someone who might like the show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Cause word of mouth is extremely powerful and very important.

Cristina: And this has been the JustConversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. That's an interesting question. I've never considered creator. I always just considered when thinking of atheists, I only considered God. Like what would somebody knowing all knowing creature be? And how would they react to what we consider reality as humans? And the only thing that makes sense is Atheos.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If there is something that made us, whether or not they made everything they are or not that made us is there's. If there's something that's everywhere all the time and knows everything, it can't give a s***. And that's how atheos came to be. Because good and bad doesn't make a concept of something that is all of the above.

Cristina: Yeah. So then he is. He did create everything.

Jack: I don't know if he did create everything. I know he knows everything.

Cristina: So he just. He popped up the same time as we popped up, though. Because he was there to measure everything.

Jack: I'm very Judaistic. Judaistic. I'm very much of a Jew when it comes to the belief that what happened before, we don't know what happened after. What happens after, we don't know. That's irrelevant. What's happening now? I know he's.

Cristina: That he's.

Jack: He's watching like Santa Claus or some s***. And he's not judging your good or bad, but whether for whatever reason you're not being you and he's not judging. There's just rules that are set in place universally that when you don't please you, you're miserable.

Cristina: It's kind of like you're judging yourself.

Jack: Yes. Giant mirrors being held up.

Cristina: Yeah. That's interesting.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Because you are God.

Jack: So it's very interesting. You can picture Atheos essentially being a scale. That's where the chains came in. It was just balance. You bring it down anytime you do something counter to you.

Cristina: He's a scale.

Jack: He's a scale. Are you maintaining the balance of who you are?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Or are you. Because you can't fully indulge in anything either. Because then it becomes meaningless. Anything you do fully in one direction just becomes a normal. You don't want that. You need the balance. But who are you as a balanced person?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because everybody's balanced differently.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And that's the whole point. If you're not keeping your balance. So Atheos is the scale by which you balance yourself.

Cristina: So he looks like a scale ball. Like we could picture him as a scale. Like picture the spaghetti monster as a spaghetti.

Jack: Well, I wouldn't picture this. I find the irony of that religion funny, but I don't really. I rather use the word Pastafarianism because the flying spaghetti monster is. Although funny, the reasoning behind the belief system is pretty solid.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's actually really rational, minus the whole jokes on God part. Same with Atheos. Giving him a visual is weird thing. He's a concept, not a being of any sort.

Cristina: Well, people like putting cons.

Jack: I know. I rather use a symbol to represent.

Cristina: Him, which is the scale.

Jack: The scale would be the symbol.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Not who he is, not who is.

Cristina: But if you like to picture him, it would probably be a person. Because it's easiest to imagine.

Jack: It's easiest. Yes. It's easiest to imagine the cliche old guy in the sky looking.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Atheist is nothing but a concept, a thought, an idea.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: A philosophy. There you go. It's a philosophy. A philosophic way of thinking of a God the same way that the flying spaghetti monster is a philosophic way of thinking of a God. Shaggy. Well, actually, all things considered. Because if you think of the idea of kek, what makes sense about Kek is that we all have a crazy psychotic kind of side. Yeah, we suppress it for social norms or whatever. And some of us feel comfortable doing that, others don't. I like chaos. I enjoy chaos. I normality bores the s*** out of me and I die a little on the inside if I have to be normal.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I'm not a fan of that. But chaos is amazing. And testing people and pushing them to their limits and seeing where they stand on something. I love that. The concept that if that brings you pleasure, you should do it. I like that.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

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Rambling 117: Groundhog Day Shadow People

Just Conversation, Grounhog Day, Comedy, Holiday, Tradition, Shadow People

Exactly what happens on Groundhog day? Where did the tradition originate? And what are the deeper implications? A deep dive into Groundhog day and more.

Story:
Diving even deeper into the case of the shapeshifters, the duo realize that even national traditions have always been part of this great conspiracy of monster and politics. Unpacking the true implications of Groundhog Day takes the duo into previously uncharted territories and brings a new creature into play! What is it and how will they deal with the new found foe? All that and more on this episode of Just Conversation.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

  • Winter Solstice
  • Spring Equinox
  • Phil the Groundhog
  • Adrenochrome
  • Shadow People
  • Feral Shadow Figures
  • Media Manipulation
  • Ghosts
  • Fear
  • Jinn
  • Thought Forms
  • The Hat Man
  • E.T.
  • Aliens
  • Catholic Church

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+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Cristina: Welcome to Just Conversation, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

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Jack: Yes. And also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner, so be sure to go find somebody kind and loving who doesn't like podcasts and introduce them to this show, because they will love podcast. Because that's how it works.

Cristina: That's how it works. They're just magically gonna love this podcast.

Jack: They're gonna love all podcasts after they listen to our podcast. If you've been trying to get somebody to listen to podcasts this entire time, you play them doing it this podcast, they'll be educated. They're gonna argue with each other. You get into good, like, healthy dialogue, and then you end up the End Up Loving podcast because they're like, wow, that was a real deep conversation. I don't normally have lengthy conversations with anybody. I know. All conversations I have are small talk.

Cristina: Or arguments.

Jack: Or arguments. Not really. Here's the. Here's the thing. People think they're arguing, but they're not.

Cristina: They're not. What are they doing?

Jack: Well, in order to have an argument.

Cristina: I guess they're not.

Jack: Need information to argue with.

Cristina: They get angry and then they walk away.

Jack: Yes. People get angry repeating their same unthought out, unfactually supported information over and over and over until they fail at convincing the other person, which should never be the goal.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then they leave.

Cristina: And then they leave. Yeah.

Jack: So you repeat your information, get angry. They don't believe your information because they already have their own information, and then you leave.

Cristina: That's.

Jack: That's what happens. It's not an argument. That's not a debate. That's just a person talking to themselves, getting angry and walking away.

Cristina: That's conversations today.

Jack: Yep. America.

Cristina: Yes. So anyways, remember that episode where we talked about weather, folklore, and weird stuff like that?

Jack: Yeah. Back in the year 2020.

Cristina: It was a long, long time ago.

Jack: Yeah. Back in those days when. When chaos reigned in the streets, cities were on fire and all that good stuff. Yes, I remember vaguely. It was so long ago.

Cristina: Yes. Well, in that episode, we talked a little bit about groundhogs.

Jack: Yeah, I remember that. People are out of their f****** minds.

Cristina: Yes. And I want to talk more about Groundhogs? Because they're magical beings that need to be talked about. Not magical like the wombat who poops out square. Poops. But they're still pretty magical.

Jack: Magical, yes.

Cristina: Groundhog's Day is always on February 2nd.

Jack: Now, okay, okay, before we move any further, why?

Cristina: Why is it always on February 2nd?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Because in the north, that day is the midpoint of the winter solstice and the spring equinox.

Jack: The f*** are those?

Cristina: The winter solstice is when it's the most dark the world is the darkest.

Jack: Like that's the day.

Cristina: Yes. That's the day that has the longest hours of night versus daylight versus the whole year. Yes.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: And then the spring equinox is when it's equal. Day and night is equal.

Jack: Okay, so this creates a problem because how are those both on the same day unless it's a different part of the world in which it's equal?

Cristina: What? Okay, what do you mean?

Jack: It can't both be the darkest day and the day with the most equal amount of light?

Cristina: No, that's. The spring equinox is the equal.

Jack: Oh, s***. And that's not on February 2nd?

Cristina: No, that's March. February 2nd is the middle point between when we have the darkest day and the equal of day and night. Because It's.

Jack: Oh. So February 2nd isn't the darkest day?

Cristina: No.

Jack: When is the darkest day?

Cristina: In December, in wherever the winter equinox is, it's like December 21st.

Jack: Oh, the first day of winter.

Cristina: Yeah, around that time.

Jack: Really?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Holy f***. The first day of winter is the darkest day of the year?

Cristina: Yes. For sure? I think so. I'm pretty sure.

Jack: And then that means the first day of spring is the most equal day of the year.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the first day of summer would then, by extension, be the brightest day of the year.

Cristina: Yes. Well, then around the day, it's not perfectly on the day, but, you know.

Jack: They just kind of summarize. Not summarize it, but, like, round it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which means that February has an equinox. Not February, Autumn.

Cristina: Yes. Yes.

Jack: There are two equinoxes.

Cristina: Yes. There's two equinoxes, and then there's one.

Jack: Brightest day and one darkest day.

Cristina: Yeah. The winter solstice and the summer solstice, I guess.

Jack: F***. Maybe it's called the same thing, but it might have its own name.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: Interesting. Fascinating. Two equinoxes, a solstice, maybe a second solstice and. Or something else.

Cristina: And this day, though, is in between the solstice and the equinox. Which is just pretty much the middle of winter, I guess, would be.

Jack: No, this would be the end of winter, wouldn't it?

Cristina: Well, I guess it depends on the groundhog, if you think about it, because the groundhog is telling us whether winter is ending early or it's going to last.

Jack: That's weird because that doesn't. See, here's the. Here's the problem with that logic.

Cristina: Right.

Jack: We have this creature that's deciding whether the weather itself is going to be extended or the season is going to be extended. Because I think it's choosing whether it's going to stay cold and not weather. Winter, because winter is just a period.

Cristina: No, it's a measurement. It's the weather, I guess. Yeah, it's the weather.

Jack: Yeah. Because we're using a measurement system essentially, with the seasons. Like, the season doesn't stretch out.

Cristina: No, no.

Jack: Like it could be colder beyond the season.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So interesting. It might actually. I don't know, depends. It might be towards the middle, though, because the idea here would be. Right. That the middle of winter would be about. So winter starts December 21st.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or 23rd, something like that. A whole month later is January 23rd.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The middle of winter should be half a month beyond that point, which would be the beginning of February.

Cristina: Okay, so then that's the middle of winter. Yeah.

Jack: Because every season is three months.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So it's exactly the middle of winter, which means it's half a winter away from spring.

Cristina: Mm. And people want to know, is the spring weather coming or not? Or I guess, is the winter weather going to continue until spring?

Jack: Yeah, like it's going to touch in through spring. That happens often. Spring is a weak a** season.

Cristina: It is.

Jack: Spring doesn't last.

Cristina: So sad. It's such a great season, but it's weak.

Jack: Yeah. Summer and winter are the. The powerhouses when it comes to seasons, at least in our region.

Cristina: So the big question on February 2 is, will Phil see his shadow?

Jack: We call a random. That's the name of the f****** thing, isn't it?

Cristina: Yes, it's always Phil.

Jack: Is Phil immortal? Are we, like, thinking it's the same f****** groundhog?

Cristina: Oh, yes.

Jack: Really?

Cristina: There's a whole backstory. Okay. His name is Pangsatani. Phil Panxutani. That's the place he comes from. That's the name of the city in Pennsylvania where Phil lives. So he's named after that city, but we'll call him Phil because that's easier to say. And, you know, if Phil sees his shadow, there's more weeks of winter the lore, though, is that there is only one Phil, and all the other groundhogs are imposters.

Jack: Okay. Is Phil immortal?

Cristina: Yes. There has been one groundhog that's been making these predictions since 1886, and he is kept alive by drinking the elixir of life that is given to him at the groundhog picnic every fall.

Jack: Oh, my. Everything comes back to it.

Cristina: What goes back to what?

Jack: To adrenochrome.

Cristina: To adrenochrome. You think they're giving him the adrenochrome?

Jack: They're giving him adrenochrome. And that's how the f*** this groundhog is staying alive.

Cristina: Ah, that's so crazy. Although him being the only groundhog is also crazy.

Jack: Immortality. We already know that the Holy Grail was an ancient method of creating adrenochrome. It was a chalice filled with blood, which, by the way, we definitely have to talk about at some point.

Cristina: And we'll call that the elixir of life.

Jack: The elixir of life is adrenochrome.

Cristina: Oh, okay. What?

Jack: You'd need a virgin's blood.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Inside a chalice. The chalice really didn't matter. It was what was in the chalice that mattered.

Cristina: Which is the child's blood. Feeding that to a badger.

Jack: It's a badger.

Cristina: I mean, to groundhog. We're giving that to a groundhog?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: What? Why are we wasting it on a groundhog? That's weird. Unless we really believe his powers.

Jack: That's where it goes. Here's the thing. We've already established Adrenochrome gives at least some weird other dimensional creature powers to some degree and allows them to keep their shape on this side of the realm. So it reacts differently depending on who we give it to. It's kind of like, like the X gene or some, you know, like it presents itself different. It's coronavirus. It's different in everybody.

Cristina: It's different. Everyone.

Jack: And so you give it to the groundhog, to the groundhog, and it has weather prediction powers. You give it to humans, they become immortal. And some of them react particularly weird and get really fast, really strong, really quick.

Cristina: This groundhog gets a really weak power, though. I mean, besides living forever, that's pretty good.

Jack: That's pretty good. I don't think that groundhog is arguing. It's like, they'll bring this to me. I don't have to do s*** else but tell them about the weather.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: My question is, is the groundhog self aware? Like it has to be at this point, right? Like it comes out knowing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I just gotta tell them about the.

Cristina: Weather because there's more to the story.

Jack: Oh, please, do tell.

Cristina: Okay, so according to the Groundhog Club, Phil, after he makes his prediction, speaks to the president of the club in the language of groundhoggies, which only the club president can understand, and then he can translate what Phil said to him. So.

Jack: Okay, okay, so to be perfectly clear, yes. That groundhog is part of the elites, and that's how he has access to the Adrenochrome. There is a weird, like, blood pact happening here in which he is definitely part of a club.

Cristina: Yes, he's a part of a club. He has the secret language.

Jack: Yeah. Whatever club this is has access to adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So that groundhog and the Queen have connections that they both know of.

Cristina: Mm. He might be named after Prince Philip.

Jack: Holy s***.

Cristina: His name is Phil?

Jack: No, man. And so this groundhog is a fully. Like other groundhogs are just groundhogs. This is a groundhog that thinks to the capacity of a human. He just doesn't speak English.

Cristina: Yeah, he speaks this other language, so.

Jack: It looks like he has a s***** power, but immortality and the IQ of an average human are kind of nice perks for a groundhog. Basically, he can outsmart every groundhog. Always. Forever.

Cristina: Yes. That's why he's spreading this lie that all the other groundhogs are imposters. I don't know why he lie.

Jack: That's the truth. They don't have the Adrenochrome.

Cristina: Oh, they're not him.

Jack: They're not him. Yeah, it's not that they're. It's not like the birdhogs. Yeah, it's not like the birds.

Cristina: Like the birds. Oh, being imposters.

Jack: Yeah, it's not like that.

Cristina: So Groundhog Day comes from Celtic and Germanic traditions that say if a hibernating animal casts a shadow on that date, winter will last longer. Just like the groundhog. In Germany they watch the badger, and in France and England they use a.

Jack: Bear, which is epic in so many.

Cristina: Different ways and sounds really dangerous.

Jack: It does. It definitely does. But assuming that the same circumstance that takes place with the groundhog, where it gets its dose of adrenochrome, its intellect rises to that of a human and it only needs a single dose a year. It is no longer just a violent, savage animal. Now it's the apex elite, intellectually superior one of its kind. Not only that, but this is us assuming that there are a fuckton of different animals who are part of this Club of elites. There is one of however many different animals inside of a club where the elites are. Meaning it's completely possible that they have connections that are similar to one another. So, like, there could be a intellectual bear that is sharing connections with somebody like the queen, who also requires adrenochrome for her immortality.

Cristina: Yes, she definitely. She's. How is she? What?

Jack: Yes, that's particularly interesting. Now, the question is. So this groundhog takes adrenochrome, its intellect rises, it's immortal, it gets this power to predict the weather.

Cristina: Maybe it has powers to predict other things, but only on this specific day, though, because why in this weird. In between spring and winter, it needs to predict. Because maybe it needs to predict a lot more than just the weather.

Jack: And what the people get told is only about the weather. Yes, which is interesting. Proof of this possibly being the case is similar to when people take psilocybin mushrooms. You can have two completely different people who've never met the same guy who gave them the drugs, don't know anything other than they're gonna have a great trip. You give it to them, they go trip on their own things. They've never done any research. They're both gonna come back and they're both gonna say one thing that's commonly discussed within the groups of people who do psilocybin. And it's pink elephants.

Cristina: Pink elephants.

Jack: You have pink elephants? Pink elephants. A creature who seem. That seems to not exist. Sometimes they're very tiny, tiny pink elephants. And it's like, okay, what the h*** are you talking about? But how do you both have this story? You don't know each other. You didn't come here together. I saw you one at a time. You didn't do any research. Why do you both know about pink elephants? They must be real. There must be pink elephants. And taking psilocybin mushrooms removes a filter that blocks them out. There must be a realm that we can't see without them.

Cristina: You think adrenochrome also helps you see this realm?

Jack: Adrenochrome could either help you see this realm or something equal to it, or something, maybe not necessarily a different realm. Who knows what it's doing? Because like any other chemical, it's affecting your body. And we know for a fact it's affecting their mind to the point that this groundhog can engage in dialogue with a member of the club.

Cristina: And maybe they chose the shadow for a specific reason, because it's communicating or it's getting information from the shadow, like it's a creature itself.

Jack: That is fascinating. So the possibility that maybe the groundhog doesn't get the ability to predict the.

Cristina: Future, the ability to communicate with a different creature.

Jack: Yes. Maybe it's not seeing the future of the weather. Maybe all it does is become immortal and become intelligent enough to communicate with a person at the degree of a person, but in their own language.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Really, what you need this creature to have those things for, that's the reward the creature gets for being a Kinect, a connect.

Cristina: Why wouldn't they need a human to connect?

Jack: Because whatever the case is, the groundhog has whatever it is to see whatever this shadow thing is that's giving it information.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. That reminds me of shadow people, which is like, we can't see them. So maybe the groundhog can see them because in the stories we only see them through the edge of our eye or something. It's always that kind of thing of you sort of see the creature, but you never really see it.

Jack: Like, you can never look straight at it.

Cristina: You can never look straight at it. Maybe he can look straight at this thing.

Jack: Interesting, interesting. So the possibility that a groundhog gets rewarded with immortality and high intellect, thus allowing it to survive amongst its kind as the superior, maybe even the leader of the groundhogs, that's its reward for conveying information from these shadow creatures to the club leader. It's kind of like aliens. We basically have somebody who can communicate with aliens, except it's like a demon or something.

Cristina: What is a demon?

Jack: The shadow. What the f*** is the shadow people?

Cristina: The shadow people. Oh, that is complicated. So complicated. There are people who think that shadow people have been around forever and that every story about shadows is relating to shadow people, because many religions, legends and folklore and stuff like that mention shadow people or like shadow entities. They might not call them people, but there's no real. You can't really see them. You know, no one could really see them.

Jack: And because we can't see them, we can't really interact with them in any kind of way that we know they're as intelligent as people.

Cristina: We assume that they're all the same thing, too.

Jack: Like they're one race of things.

Cristina: Yeah. So we call them the shadow people and the shadow people that we know that people think of. Now, though, this new idea of it, the idea that shadow people have always been around comes from a radio show that talked to a Native American elder named Thunderstrikes. And she made the shadow people popular pretty much because she talked about it. And then a bunch of people brought in images and Drawings of what shadow people look like. And it became a popular thing. Maybe it's mass hysteria.

Jack: Total possibility. But the problem is we have a groundhog that's communicating with something.

Cristina: Yeah, well, there's a bunch of people who claim to have recordings and images of these shadow people on video. And I tried watching these videos and I'm not sure what they are. They could be, I don't know, they're shadow looking people. They look like your shadow. They look like your shadow, the ones in the videos. So I don't know if this is really video of shadow people or just a shadow or a ghost. That's another option. But the mentioning of shadow, like people throughout history. There's like in the Quran they mention a pitch black sapient being that isn't entirely spiritual or physical.

Jack: Interesting. So it's not spiritual, but it's not a solid physical being. Is it evil?

Cristina: People think it's evil. There's a lot of people that think it's evil. There's the only positive thing that it could be is a guardian angel. But I don't see that as one of the explanations.

Jack: Fascinating, because you have to associate dark with evil inherently.

Cristina: Yes, that's. I think that's why. Yeah.

Jack: So it's more likely we'd assume it's some sort of a demon.

Cristina: And the people in ancient Europe, you're not going to believe this, but they thought of the shadow beings as beings that wanted blood and without it couldn't be reborn.

Jack: And without it couldn't be reborn.

Cristina: Yes. What? What? Blood is always involved somehow.

Jack: Blood is always involved somehow. Adrenochroma is overpowered. The question is, what do they want blood from? Right. If they want blood from humans, why don't they just wait until you're sleeping?

Cristina: They do.

Jack: They wait until you're sleeping?

Cristina: Some of them do.

Jack: They're not trying to get adrenochrome by scaring you first? Maybe lingering in the corner or something that has energy.

Cristina: All those answers? Yes.

Jack: Then how the. So it's not adrenochrome if they just want blood?

Cristina: Well, they thought they just wanted blood. The people in ancient Europe believed that they wanted blood. But it could be more than just blood.

Jack: It could be adrenochrome.

Cristina: It could be adrenochrome.

Jack: This is interesting. So we have these people who basically have the chalice, Holy grail, the f****** elixir of life, fountain of youth, which is kill some kids after you've scared them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And now you have adrenochrome, then go feed that Adrenochrome to animals. Take it yourself, too. You'll be immortal. It's assuring immortality to every creature of physical, biological presence. But it gives you abilities aside from immortality. So the queen might be seeing the future. This groundhog is immortal and is given the intellect of a human. Maybe anything that takes it has the intellect of a human. Which is why these older people who are on adrenochrome are incredibly sharp. It's not just they're immortal. Even if they're still aging, their mind stays sharp as f***.

Cristina: Whoa. What if they're. Okay, the ghost thing, Right? What if when these people die, their ghosts live on and they still need adrenochrome to continue living?

Jack: Holy s***. So you're telling me that the. The Shadow People are the original people who haven't, like, left this plane? They've just become this.

Cristina: Sort of Just get addicted to being here and. Or maybe they just fear dying. Yeah.

Jack: They've become an ethereal version of themselves.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Interesting. So once your physical existence ceases, that does not mean you are dead. You still need.

Cristina: You still need it.

Jack: So then what we're saying is that humans taking adrenochrome can't see or communicate with the Shadow People. But we know the Shadow People are still members of the club that gave them the adrenal chrome that made them immortal in the first place.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So the people in the Shadow Realm, then, have access to information that we don't on this side. They're kind of like ghosts that exist, maybe in different times. Maybe they have access to information that is not inherent to us.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So us with the. Because they can't even come in contact with us. Right.

Cristina: Well, when they attack us.

Jack: So they don't need the club members. So are they just helping us tell the future?

Cristina: Yeah. Well, those people, it's not like they're.

Jack: Doing it for Adrenochrome because they can just go get Adrenochrome.

Cristina: I guess if they're, like, feeding for Adrenochrome, they're gonna attack people? And some of them wait patiently for Adrenochrome to be given to them. Yeah. While others are like, no, I need this Adrenochrome now. Because they're still pretty human. I'm guessing. If they come from human, there's still a lot human about them.

Jack: Yeah. Because they're still sentient, thinking beings.

Cristina: Yes. What?

Jack: But they communicate through this groundhog and. Or other animals.

Cristina: And a lot of these stories, for some reason, they see red eyes. I don't know. Why? But not all of them have red eyes. But some of them do. So maybe the ones that are attacking when you're sleeping are the ones with red eyes.

Jack: Interesting. So they don't always see red eyes.

Cristina: Those are probably the ones that need it the most.

Jack: Well, this reminds me a lot of, like, Fallout 4, right. Where you have ghouls, but you also have feral ghouls.

Cristina: Feral ghouls. These are feral shadow people.

Jack: Yes. So you have the people who can remain sane in this condition.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And they're just like, it is what it is. But then you have the people who this is too much for.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they go crazy, and they become these. So there could be millions of these things out there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But the only ones we're aware of are the ones doing crazy, creepy s***, because those are the ones interfering with normal life.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's kind of like the difference between a good cop and a bad cop. There's way more good cops. There's way more good cops.

Cristina: We're talking about the best single percent.

Jack: Of a single percent of a single percent is the bad cop. But that's the only one we aim a camera at.

Cristina: Yes. And people are beginning to see them more. These things. They're seeing them. They're actually seeing them for longer periods of time. Something's changed once it became popular. Something. Something of the behavior of these shadow.

Jack: People have changed once it became popular. Well, assuming the elites. Right. The way they usually work is through media. They normalize something, and then it's more acceptable because it's popular.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Usually they have to force it into media. You want gay to be normal? Okay. We need to put it on tv, we need to put it in movies, we need to put in video games. Now, gay is normal. You want transgender normal? You put in movies, you put in video games. Okay. You want autism normal, Put in video games, whatever. Shadow people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You want it normalized? Somebody has to mention it. This Native American mentioned it. Now it became popular. It's more so now people are more open to it. Eventually, we're gonna have horror movies showing the bad side, but then eventually there's gonna be, like, that zombie Warm Bodies, where there's. Somebody's gonna fall in love with a shadow person.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To normalize.

Cristina: Shadow what?

Jack: Shadow people are.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I'm sure there were good shadow people in, like, Harry Potter or something.

Cristina: Oh, probably. But at the moment, it seems like the shadow people are very negative. There might be some that are good, because how do people think. They might be guardian angels.

Jack: Exactly.

Cristina: So there might Be some good ones, but most of them are negative. And most of the encounters accompany some feeling of dread with it, which is kind of adrenochrome. Y. Because they're. They're after that feeling.

Jack: Yes. They're trying to.

Cristina: They're making this feeling. They don't. They want you to feel that way. That's the purpose.

Jack: Yeah. Fear and misery is necessary, but some people have been.

Cristina: Have claimed to have actually been physically attacked with scratches and burns and being choked while they are sleeping during. What is that called? During sleep paralysis.

Jack: Now, the question is, is sleep paralysis even sleep paralysis, or is it you being restrained by shadow people?

Cristina: It could be you being restrained by shadow people because you always see that thing in the corner or whatever during that attack. So it could be the same thing. It could be waiting for something like that to happen too. So it's. We don't know which of the two came first.

Jack: I guess maybe they're not actively holding you down, but the reason you always see that thing isn't because they're waiting there. Rather, being this sort of ethereal being gives them this ability to hold you down, hold you down with their ethereal mind.

Cristina: They got abilities like the groundhog having abilities.

Jack: Because adrenochrome gives you abilities, except as a human, it gives you certain abilities. As a groundhog, it gives you certain abilities. But as an ethereal shadow person, the abilities it gives you are completely. You're no longer human. You have a whole other set of responses other than immortality.

Cristina: Mm. What? And because now that we're seeing them more, though, there are so many different types of how they could look like, like, ranging from a small child or a figure, a tall figure wearing a hat. I saw a video of the child. To me, it looks like a ghost. I don't think it's. It should be counted as shadow people, but it's. There's a line, I think, between ghost and shadow people.

Jack: My question is what we.

Cristina: Oh, well, I guess in this story, what we're talking about, they are ghosts. They're just ghosts with adrenochrome.

Jack: Well, here, let me point this out. The possibility that what people have been calling ghosts this whole time versus what we believe ghosts are, we've landed on what other people were talking about. Because when we talk about ghosts, we've landed on a ghost is more likely just some sort of echo. We're either seeing a different point in time, sort of phasing through our time briefly.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or we're seeing a loop, some behavior that is echoing, repeating over and over. Which is why we see the same people walk through walls. And it's because there was a door there at some point or something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we're either seeing events from a different time happen in our current time and we can't interact with it. We're just seeing a faded out, phased version of it. Or we're seeing an echo repeat itself. It's not a conscious being doing anything. Or it is, but it's conscious in its own time. We wouldn't be able to change what's happening there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: While the dead, lingering, quote, spirit unquote.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Thing that is making active choices. Although people call that a ghost. Oh, it's following me. It's trying to. All these horrible things of. It's haunting me. It shows up in the middle of the night. It scares me. It does this. It tells me it's gonna kill me or leave this place or any of this bullshit.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's. That ghost is a shadow person.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And what we've been calling a ghost, just an echo or a phased sight of a different time. So ghosts should no longer be ghosts. Unless you're gonna make a distinction between a ghost and a phantom and say a phantom is a shadow person and a ghost is an echo.

Cristina: Well, people, if they don't call it a ghost, they think of it as a spirit. Like it's in a. I guess the spirit is a broader category that ghost is involved. But it's not a ghost. But it's still in that type of realm. So if that word is good enough. I don't know. Spirit, ghost.

Jack: I don't know. Ghost is really a spirit is really broad. It really is. I feel like spirits more of just an energy, while a phantom seems to have some consciousness to it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Unless we're gonna say the phantom is.

Cristina: The echo, the phantom is the echo and the ghost is the shadow. No, I like ghost. No. I don't know.

Jack: Whatever. Point is, one of them is an echo or a phase time loop. And the other one.

Cristina: These are two different things that live in the spirit world.

Jack: Exactly. Okay, well, one of them lives in the spirit. No, they don't live in the spirit world. The shadow people live in here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's no spirit world.

Cristina: There's this argument. Okay.

Jack: It's both here. Except one of them is a different time or an echo.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And both of those cases are kind of like faded out and hard to see because it's not really here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: While the other is the possibility that it's just a shadow person and that Seems likely. Because why would a ghost need you to be scared? And they're not just gonna have fun with it now it's like. Well, it's exciting to scare people. No, this should be a goal.

Cristina: Casper. It's just fun to scare people.

Jack: Well, no, you kind of just. There should always be a goal. Otherwise, you're gonna maximize your experience.

Cristina: Y.

Jack: So there's a goal. You need to do this for some reason. Why do so many ghosts want to scare people? Because fear.

Cristina: They're getting adrenaline. Yes.

Jack: And then you drain the person or. Fair enough. Think about it like this, right? We see the Holy Spirit and God. God needs adrenochrome. Thus mass genocides and murders and the Twin Towers falling and shooting fire out of the sky to kill many people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or creating panics in the world that last long times. And scare people. And he feeds off of the fear. When the fear doesn't work, he needs to kill for the blood.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But the fear gives him what he needs.

Cristina: The fear is a much easier way.

Jack: Yes. So maybe as these shadow people, these phantoms, they are.

Cristina: They're doing the same thing.

Jack: The same thing. They're scaring people again.

Cristina: If they can't scare them, they're attacking people. They're being physical with you.

Jack: Yes. They will get more aggressive if they're.

Cristina: Not getting what they need.

Jack: What they need. If you're scared, they'll never hurt you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because you're consistently scared. You're always checking under your bed. You're always panicking in the middle of the night. They're getting what they need from you.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But the harder you are, the harder they are. And this comes back to the same story we were talking about with Jehovah. Maybe his ultimate goal is to get somebody to transcend and be the next God. Because maybe he was just a person in a system that was trying to breed one next God so that his God could go do whatever it's doing or die. So he takes place.

Cristina: So do you think these shadow people are competing for that job?

Jack: They don't know they're competing for that job. They're just trying to stay alive. But they've already crossed to the next threshold.

Cristina: Yeah. They're closer to him than we are. Than we are. Yeah.

Jack: Yes. Because they're already learning how to use not. They don't have to go kill somebody. They can just scare somebody to get it. Killing somebody's last resort now. Because they could just cause fear and get what they need when they can't. We got to go and off Some. Somebody.

Cristina: I think we figured it out.

Jack: Very interesting.

Cristina: Here are some other things that the shadow person could be. We talked about this creature, and in the sleep paralysis episode, it's called a jinn. And the jinns are creatures that are invisible, but when they do appear, they have a misty appearance that's almost human like. And we talked about how people who have sleep paralysis think it's this creature, the jinn, in a certain location where sleep paralysis is very common.

Jack: So a jinn and a shadow person are the same thing?

Cristina: Yes. It also could be thought forms. Have you ever heard of that? Thought form? Yes, Thought.

Jack: Thinking.

Cristina: Thought. Yes, Thinking, thought form.

Jack: Like you're projecting what you're seeing.

Cristina: Yes. Whether intentional or not, all these negative thoughts and energies, you're manifesting it. Yes. And all of us like a bunch of people together now. After someone made it on the radio talking about it, it became more real than it was before.

Jack: Interesting. Similar to a jinn that does show itself in Shinto. Occasionally a thought form is also, I don't know, had a name. But there are these sort of phantasm spiritual beings. Shinto is packed with spirits. And one of them is these things that negative energies do manifest. Beings that are corrupt and like, twisted and malicious. Because your good doesn't form a being, your good stays in you. Your body tries to expel the evil.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that has to go somewhere. And it collects and it forms these beings.

Cristina: Yes. That's a pretty good explanation. Then what? It could. They could also be interdimensional beings, which we talked about.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: But a while ago, I read a psychic medium talk about shadow people and that they're intelligent beings from a different dimension that can take different forms. That's probably why we see these beings as shadows, because we're not really looking at them, because we can't really see them because they're from a different dimension. So we're looking at a glimpse of them, maybe. Is that how interdimension works?

Jack: Well, here's the weirdest part about. Because it's problematic when somebody claims interdimensional. They don't understand dimensions because we exist on every dimension all at once.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This becomes a bit of an issue when we're talking. We're basically talking about alternate universe. Oh, beings from a different universe, beings from a different type of reality.

Cristina: So now something from the fifth dimension that we're having a glimpse of.

Jack: Well, it wouldn't work that way because they would also exist in the third dimension.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So there's this shadow person. There's a specific type of shadow person that is called the hats man. He wears a top hat and a suit, and he's seen as being demonic or evil. I'm not sure. What's the difference between demonic or evil? They're the same, right?

Jack: No. You could be a demon. That's not evil.

Cristina: You're demonic, though.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Demonic means being demon.

Jack: Yeah, Demonic is the act of being a demon.

Cristina: Okay. So he's either. He's one or the other, I guess.

Jack: The state of being a demon.

Cristina: Yes. And there's this author who investigates all these things, these shadow people. Her name is Heidi Hollis, and she says these beings and others like it are trying to build an army for the dark side.

Jack: What the f*** does that mean for h***?

Cristina: Aliens.

Jack: For aliens.

Cristina: Aliens. We get to aliens. So some people claim that the shadow people might be aliens that abducted people. Some people say that they're the victims of the great aliens. And then that these aliens can pass through walls and close windows and have advanced technology to make them appear and disappear. And it sounds a lot like shadow people, I guess. Yeah. So there's a paranormal expert named Rosemary Ellen Gully who says she discovered that many people who have shadow people experience also had ET Experiences as adductees. So aliens and shadow people might be connected somehow.

Jack: That's fascinating. Aliens and shadow. So the possibility that shadow people are just a product of not really being shadow people, but aliens using advanced technology that thus makes them appear as shadow people because they're, like, phasing out of existence or not really, but they would appear as such stealth technology and whatnot?

Cristina: Yes. Is that amazing?

Jack: So that you're. You're having, quote, sleep paralysis, unquote. You're laying there, you see this shadow being, but that's you sort of kind of seeing a phased alien.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they're just studying you. Maybe that's why you're experiencing paralysis in the first place or something.

Cristina: Yeah. Maybe the gray being is being seen as a black shadow. Yeah. So this other lady that I mentioned before, Hade Hollis, she published the book called the Secret War, where she goes into the information she's collected about shadow people, and she says the shadow people are related to grays and reptilian people.

Jack: Grays and reptilian people?

Cristina: Yes. Yes. The shadow people are. Those are related somehow to them. And she says that the shadow people don't want to be spotted. Of course. And in her book, she provides a bunch of ways to decrease the encounters if you don't want to be attacked.

Jack: By these beings, don't Be a young child.

Cristina: Don't be. No one of them is. Master your fear and don't let it control you.

Jack: Right, monk? S***.

Cristina: Yes. Focus on positive thoughts.

Jack: So meditate.

Cristina: Hold your ground.

Jack: What the f***?

Cristina: Hold your ground. I don't know. You're being pushed down anyways, so I don't. Hold your ground, though. Use the name of Jesus to repel them. That always works.

Jack: And we've made that journey. We've made the circle.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The possibility that there is no such thing as shadow people is presented the possibility that some a****** inside of a church was sitting around and he's like, what other weird s*** can I tell people about so that they come to church?

Cristina: Shadow people.

Jack: Shadow people.

Cristina: Just like vampires.

Jack: Just like were witches, witches, F****** everything.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Wet, wet, chud, chudge, f****** demons. Demons, everything, all of it. Church made it all up.

Cristina: You think they made up aliens, man?

Jack: Probably.

Cristina: I mean, these are just gonna find out that we gotta rep. Yes.

Jack: Come on. Yeah, come on. There's no longer aliens. I don't believe in aliens anymore. I don't believe in aliens anymore. Now. Now the church made them up.

Cristina: The church made aliens?

Jack: The church made everything up?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's nothing but us on this world. The Earth is probably flat. They said aliens. The Earth is flat. I don't care. Now I'm a flat earther.

Cristina: Because they're the ones that say earth is flat.

Jack: No, because they said aliens. They said you can fight them off by saying Jesus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So.

Cristina: No, but they also think the Earth is flat and the Reptilians live in the center of it. So.

Jack: No, they can't live at the center of something flat.

Cristina: They do. They.

Jack: That's not the Christians.

Cristina: That's not the. They're. They're Christian.

Jack: No, the flat Earthers aren't Christian.

Cristina: Some of them are.

Jack: I mean, there's some cross pollination here and there, but like.

Cristina: Yes, but they have more religious beliefs of like. Like God wants us to know. They don't want us to know about flat earth because Satan.

Jack: Oh, you're right. And because paradise is over the ice wall or some s*** like that.

Cristina: Yes. And the Reptilians, I guess, live there and not the center, Right?

Jack: Yeah, not the center, actually.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Allegedly we, man. Because even in this weird version of where there's more out there, we're the center of it for whatever reason. Like we can't just be in the second ring and there's something in the middle that you can't access. No, no, no. We're still super special.

Cristina: Always in the center.

Jack: Yeah, we're super special always.

Cristina: Yes. So there you go. Feels good.

Jack: It always comes back to religion. The church is just a bunch of liars trying to scare people to go to church.

Cristina: That's all it is. That's.

Jack: That's all it is. Because they get money. They get money from you being there. You give them money directly and they get tax cuts and, and donations. Giant, huge donations. But because you get. No, you don't get to have to pay tax. You get to keep every penny from the donation.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's the most profitable business in all of existence.

Cristina: It is. Well, if the shadow people do exist, they thrive on the fear of the.

Jack: Unknown, which is the whole adrenochrome problem.

Cristina: Yeah. So.

Jack: So look, in reality it's really coming down to the fact that they're probably dead elites.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or not dead, but transcended elites to this different state. Evolved elites.

Cristina: Yeah. They show up, they hang around feeding off the fear and dread that they cause by their appearance. Yes. Like it's already scary.

Jack: They can also maybe take different shapes. Maybe the medium is right. In which they are very self aware. They're like intelligent beings and they can take many shapes, but they're being from a different dimension. Maybe what she means is they're in a different state.

Cristina: And they're the ancient Europeans that thought that they drink blood. This sounds a lot like vampires. And that vampires may not have a true shape and no blood drinker might have a true shape. And these beings don't have a true shape. They can turn into beings.

Jack: We don't see humans doing this. We see shapeshifters look like humans.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And do this. So it's possible that these shadow people, let's just call them gyms from this point forward. That these jinns can manifest in a fully human looking form with flesh and everything at will.

Cristina: Yes, that's just there.

Jack: That's a vampire.

Cristina: Yes. And we call them a vampire. But it's the same thing as the werewolf. As the.

Jack: Interesting enough. There's this scenario. One of the many stories of vampires which I think we discussed on one of the episodes about vampires was that they can become sort of a cloud.

Cristina: Yeah, that's one of the stories.

Jack: And what is closer to a cloud than an anomalous shadow? What is black smoke?

Cristina: Its truest form is the cloud.

Jack: Yes, it's black smoke of some sort. It's shapeless.

Cristina: It's shapeless. What? Wow.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Connecting those dots.

Cristina: So that's.

Jack: Yeah. It's possible that elites Take it. And that doesn't make them a vampire. Not yet. Unless there's two different kinds of vampires. Because we also know that vampires and zombies are very similar. They. You need to have blood running through your veins as a vampire. So maybe we're thinking about two different things now. We've got into a weird different scenario where there is a different kind of. Where there's a shape shifter.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And one of the things a shapeshifter can pretend to be is a vampire.

Cristina: And these shapeshifters though, are dead people. Dead elites. What if there are some dead elites that can't leave their body and they become a vampire? Zombies.

Jack: Zombies.

Cristina: They can't do anything. They're just.

Jack: Because they'd be.

Cristina: And they can't drink blood or they're not.

Jack: They can't control the body.

Cristina: They can't control the body. So they become feral and they. That's what we think of as the zombies.

Jack: So. Interesting. Interesting.

Cristina: Because they can become feral in their ghost like form. So they could become feral in their zombie form. Not being able to trick us into drinking. Letting them drink our blood. There's no other way.

Jack: Holy crap. You know what I just realized? Holy s***. One, all of it has to do with adrenochrome. Step number one.

Cristina: Okay. Yes.

Jack: Step number two, There are different states. And I can prove it using past information that we didn't f****** consider for whatever reason.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Okay. A wet judge. A Wendigo demon like creatures. Spirit like creatures that look like. What? Like wolves. What do people use to communicate with shadow people? Or what do people use to tell the weather animals?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What happens when you drink adrenochrome? You become this immortal being. Eventually you die, but you stay alive. Your body, physical form dies and you become this sort of phantasm, this sort of ghost like thing. Some people use bears, some people use badgers. Some people use groundhogs. What stops some people from using a wolf? And the wolf gets the intellect of a person. It gets immortality. At least in conscious form.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then when its physical body dies, it could be a werewolf.

Cristina: Oh crap.

Jack: Or it could be a wetchat.

Cristina: The same rules leading to different creatures dying too.

Jack: Eventually. Eventually their physical form goes, but they don't die. They move to the next thing, which.

Cristina: Is whatever the people are. They pretty much become the same thing as the elites that are dying.

Jack: Yes. This a whole thing of jinns, a ton of different djins. The Wetcha is just a djinn.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the Wendingo is just a djinn.

Cristina: Okay, so it's not just one thing that's becoming all these different things? In a way, yes. Because they're in the same realm.

Jack: Yes. The same reason is leading to it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Adrenochrome.

Cristina: It's adrenochrome. Yeah.

Jack: So there's an entire world of shadow beings that we have no access to unless they choose to interact with us.

Cristina: So you think aliens have anything to do with this?

Jack: If aliens are going through the same processes, there would be aliens that are the same, because we assume aliens came naturally as a response of the world. They might look completely different or whatever, but there should be. I mean, I guess you'd have to be biological in the first place in order to consume adrenochrome in the first place and then in your next state, use fear.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But assuming biological aliens evolved throughout the world, in that case, they can use adrenochrome and when they die, they do become shadow people, thus being these types of shadow people. And assuming they're advanced enough to have advanced technologies to be able to change their physical frequencies, maybe they can literally communicate with one of themselves who's transcended the physical form because of technology. Adrenochrome. Oh, you can use technology to communicate somebody who's transcended due to adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they. It's no different. It's just you're going to the next phase, but they can still communicate with you actively without the use of adrenochrome, because technology, man.

Cristina: So we've connected everything.

Jack: Yes, everything is connected. Not only that, but the shape shifting nature of it. Resolution means we managed to say shape shifters are all these things. And yes, they are one species of thing, but they're also many different things.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The same way we were saying that these shapeshifters might be like the difference between a big dog and a small dog. The shadow people, the djinns, are the same. They were still biological creatures, but it's a difference between a human and a dog. You've traced them back far enough. They came from the same thing. And that's what's happening with shape shifters. Shapeshifters are just shadow people. Shadow people are just gins.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they are all a result of adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Being taken when they were alive to retain immortality and to transcend without losing consciousness. It's preserving consciousness. That's the ultimate goal.

Cristina: And some of them just can't. They fail. Become violent.

Jack: Yes, they become violent. Feral.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: The feral version.

Cristina: Yes. Yep.

Jack: How f****** interesting.

Cristina: We got it. And So I thought shadow people is interesting enough, but what about our shadows?

Jack: What about our shadows?

Cristina: What are they?

Jack: A lack of photons.

Cristina: A lack of photons?

Jack: Yes. Let's say light hits you from one direction. Thus photons generated land on the surfaces that you're not blocking. They reflect back and you see them brighter. And the spots where the photons aren't landing remain dark.

Cristina: Well, there's many, many superstitions and beliefs about shadows before, I guess we knew before the science explanation of shadows. And one of them was that the shadow was the soul.

Jack: So you're always stepping on your soul.

Cristina: Well, you're connected to your soul, you're not stepping on it.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: It changes throughout the day because it's like your soul, it's not perfect, your soul's not perfect, your shadow is not perfect.

Jack: That's a cool a** belief to assume that your shadow is your soul and you can just look at it.

Cristina: Mm. And then another one is that the shadow is a double, which is pretty much just a copy of you, which makes sense. It is a copy of you, but it's not a perfect copy of you. It's just a. It's just a copy of yourself.

Jack: The two dimensional cut of yourself. That's what it is. It's a two dimensional slit of you there. It has no third dimension.

Cristina: Yeah. So it is you. It's just a different dimensional of you.

Jack: 100%. That's exactly what it is. It has height and width, but no depth. You have depth. Your next version has all of time included. We can just see the dimensions below us, but we can't see the ones above us. Yeah, but from a fourth dimension, it could see height, width and depth.

Cristina: So the shadow could be. Yeah, and then there's a lot of superstitions that involve death. Like if you inflict harm on a person's shadow, then the person's gonna suffer the effects. I don't know how you harm a shadow, but I guess if you stab. If I stabbed your shadow, you're gonna feel that later.

Jack: That's f****** weird.

Cristina: That's weird. Yeah. And people would try to cast their shadow on a wall on Christmas Eve or New Year's. And whoever had a headless shadow, it would mean that they're gonna die next year or within a year they're gonna die. Stepping on your own shadow was an omen of death, which is weird because you can't mount.

Jack: Step on your shadow.

Cristina: Yeah. So you're gonna die. It's predicting it.

Jack: I guess the only way to not step on Your shadow is to always float.

Cristina: Then you can live forever. That's the key of living forever.

Jack: Learn to fly. And even when you sleep, remain flying.

Cristina: Yes. And then there's St. Peter, who they believed his shadow could cure the sick. So people would try to lay their sick on the street, hoping that his shadow would fall on them.

Jack: Okay, back to that church s***.

Cristina: Yes. Shadows as a protector. The shadow is like a guardian angel of the soul instead of the soul itself. When death comes to get you, it has to ask your shadows permission. It also protects you from demons and vampires.

Jack: So if you're someone without a shadow, like the dark, they can access you.

Cristina: And vampires don't cast the shadow because they don't have a soul.

Jack: I've actually heard about that. Vampires don't cast a shadow or have a reflection.

Cristina: That's interesting stuff about shadows is that sounds a lot similar to shadow people of the Guardian Angel. And if it was a protector, if the shadow people are protectors, they sound a lot like our own shadow.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Theories people have figured out or came up with for shadows themselves. So interesting. Yeah. Anyway, if you want to hear other episodes like this, which I would. Let's see, what would I suggest? I would suggest the weather folklore, if you like, that weird groundhog stuff and other wintery stuff.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: The sleep paralysis episode. I don't know what that one was called.

Jack: There was a whole episode about sleep paralysis.

Cristina: Yeah. It was the first Halloween episode, I think. So. Check out that first Halloween episode.

Jack: Interesting. Yes. So, yeah, Actually, fair enough. A lot of the stuff is because, look, we have episodes on vampires.

Cristina: Oh, yes.

Jack: We also have on shape shifters.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: We have episodes on werewolves, ghosts, all these. A lot of these topics have been discussed before in different ways, and we kind of all led to this episode putting them together. So if you want to see all the pieces that led here.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Go through our catalog.

Cristina: Brought it all together.

Jack: Yes. That's actually really weird and interesting.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That the groundhog is how we discovered that. That vampires, werewolves, witch huds, Wendigo's shapeshifters are all different but the same.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They are the creatures, the biological creatures of this plane of existence in the next state of existence that is entirely allowed to exist because of adrenochrome, which is also a consistent topic. And there are many episodes.

Cristina: Don't forget that episode about the gods of adrenochrome.

Jack: Yes. Yes. Which is very important. Which is. Also connects to all of this.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Man, this is starting to paint a pretty severe picture that's working out together in Tandem.

Cristina: It's scary.

Jack: It's weird how much of this fits together. Anyways, if you guys want to find all those episodes, you can definitely find all of that in our catalog, and that exists on the official website, greatthoughts.info or you can get it on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and anywhere else you get your podcast.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok. Uscombopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe, rate and review.

Cristina: The show and let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth is overpowered. And if you know about any of these creatures, if you didn't know that groundhogs are immortal beings with the intellect of it. Well, specifically this one, maybe there's many different groundhogs. There's one that we do it to, but I'm assuming that there's one bear that fits the same suit and it's just one bear.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And, like, when that bear dies, it gets replaced by another bear who's just the one again.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so it goes as long as it can. Maybe it lives thousands of years before it's replaced. Interesting, interesting, interesting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we were, you know, tell people if you like these things, talk about.

Cristina: It, bring people in, tell us about it if you know more info about this stuff. Like, we're just coming up with it. Yeah, we're just finding this now.

Jack: Come tell us what you know. And maybe you have pieces we don't have to this puzzle. We're building a giant puzzle using all the human knowledge we've ever acquired, all the information that people believe to be true. We're grabbing humanity's most. What is it? What's a funny. Yeah, humanity. We're grabbing humanity's most absurd ideas and we're grounding them. We're bringing them into reality. We're finding out what the truth behind all of humanity's most absurdities are and turning it into the reality that they really are and finding out how they work together. Because nothing works on its own. Everything is part of a bigger system, and we're building that system. So if you have any piece that.

Cristina: Belongs here, give it to us.

Jack: Give it to us. Feel free to let us know.

Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: That is such a weird scene.

Jack: It was. I remember seeing it, but it was all by accident, wasn't it? It was just knocking them out scared.

Cristina: I've only seen the remix.

Jack: It wasn't like legit fear.

Cristina: No. He really got serious.

Jack: Like he beat them up wanting to beat them up.

Cristina: Yeah, but I don't know if in the movie how it was.

Jack: Spoiler. Shaggy kills everyone in Infinity War single handedly. Point being, Shaggy is crazy.

Cristina: What if Shaggy uses 100%? You can't do that. It's impossible.

Jack: Yeah, the universe can't contain it. The universe cannot contain Shaggy at his ultimate power.

Cristina: Can Shaggy be Thanos? Kind of crazy.

Jack: What is Shaggy's power level in his base form?

Cristina: Shockingly weak. He would have to go 45%, 75% to the Thanos. So he would have to be 75% to be Thanos. That's.

Jack: That's problematic considering his power cannot be capped. So what would. So what would 75% look like to.

Cristina: An infinite amount of power?

Jack: He gains 1% of his max power.

Cristina: Every time someone follows his religion.

Jack: So. Oh yeah, I don't know if there's a church of Shaggy actually you can follow right there. The subreddit Church of Shaggy.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 108: Werewolf Folklore

Werewolf, THe Just Conversation Podcast, Horror, Scary, Vampire, Mytical

What are the real stories about werewolves and where do they come from? Werewolves and the Folklore surrounding their mystery is discussed.

Story:
The duo begins a new case about werewolves and they begin with the folklore and tales surrounding them. From origins to methods of disposing of them. But diving deep takes the duo down rabbits holes they never expected to go. The connections they discover reveal the truth of werewolves rests on a different mythological creature entirely. The question is, how many other creatures are just this one? All that and more on this episode of Just Conversation.

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  • Werewolf Features
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  • Becoming a Werewolf
  • Curing Werewolf Syndrome
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  • Vampire Werewolves
  • Scolding Werewolves
  • Adrenochrome
  • Shapeshifters
  • Chupacabra

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