Rambling 186: Blair Witch Project Dissected
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Is it worse to hear something horrible you don’t see or worse to see the horrible thing but not be able to tell what it is? Would we rather see the Blair Witch? And which of the documentary interviewees was the witch hidden in plain sight? The duo unpack fear and attempt to uncover the true culprit behind The Blair Witch: Missing Persons case.
+Episode Details
Topics Discussed:
- What is Scarier?
- Known vs Unknown
- Witches
- The Blair Witch Project
- Terrible Team Leader, Chad
- What is the Witch?
- How is the witch doing it?
- Who is the Witch?
- Suspect: 1, 2 & 3 https://youtu.be/ntgrRUML2ic
- Suspect: Fishermen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG9jHXHRWMI
- Suspect: Crazy Mary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HVFC2RXcdE
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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.
Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.
Jack: This is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And right now, we were just taught before, and I was just like, we gotta stop and talk about this on the mic. But we're talking about if there's a creepy creature or something. Something. Right. You're in an alley.
Cristina: I thought you were in a room. Now you're in a alley.
Jack: Well, no, I'm assuming there's a point. Yeah, it's the corner of something. So let's say there's a hallway. Middle ground. Right. There's a hallway. And I guess the middle ground of a room in an alley is a hallway, right?
Cristina: Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. Ye.
Jack: So we're in a hallway and there is. The hallway goes. You're in the spot with light or. No, never mind. You're in the middle. There's a middle point. Right behind you there's light. And in front of you there's darkness. And you're just in between those two points of wherever the darkness is so pure you can't see anything. And the light is. You're right in the center and towards the deep end, the dark. You hear the following sound.
Cristina: Okay, my dog is just sick.
Jack: Yeah. I don't even know, man.
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: So you hear that? The question is, what is scarier if you see some shadowy figure, an outline, something, or nothing at all.
Cristina: You think nothing at all. But I think shadowy figure. Definitely.
Jack: I think shadowy figure. My argument is that I think shadowy figure steals a little from the mystery of how horrible what it is could really be.
Cristina: Yes. But if you don't see anything, you could say that it's anything. You could say, oh, yeah, it's a dog or something outside that's making that sound.
Jack: Yeah. Okay, fair enough. Fair enough. Because they get that argument if you immediately saw something that wasn't a dog.
Cristina: Yeah. Or if you see anything, you're like, oh, my gosh. Like just a shadow, like a flash or anything. Like just anything. Because if you know your dog's not there, but you see something there, but even if you don't know what it is, you just know it's a thing and it's there.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: You'd be horrified.
Jack: Now, if you saw a dog's body or something that looks like the shape of a dog, you're immediately Less scared?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Because you're not scared anymore. You know there's a dog that went there hiding.
Cristina: No, I guess you'd still be scared if you don't have a dog.
Jack: You'd be scared if this hallway is in your home. Where's this hallway? Okay, we got a. Fair enough, fair enough, fair enough. We have to position this. It has to be in your home. There's a hallway. What?
Cristina: Why?
Jack: How is this such a long hallway in your home?
Cristina: You're in a mansion.
Jack: Okay, Whatever. You do happen to have a house that. Instead of first floor, second floor.
Cristina: Yeah, there's a second floor. The stairway. You're trying to get to the stairway. It's, like, on the side.
Jack: No, this has to be too far because he's plunged into darkness. How weird that there's just enough distance between the light and the end point of this hallway. That is totally.
Cristina: Because there's no windows in the hallway, and the light's coming from the bathroom behind him.
Jack: So, I mean, I guess proximity changes here. This is way more horrifying. I was thinking about this way farther away, but you're thinking about this way up, closer. So in this. Because I'm thinking again. I said alley. Yeah, I said a hallway. Think of the large distances we're talking. When you heard hallway, you thought house. I was thinking like, a school hallway.
Cristina: Because if it's far away, like, are you gonna be scared? Like. Because then that's also, like, oh, maybe something outside, or maybe I imagined, you know?
Jack: No, you know, factually, it's hap. Well, it's still happening. You know, factually, it's happening in front of you. There's no question about that. The question is because we have to remove all doubt for everything else. Yeah, because the only thing we're trying to answer.
Cristina: That's why it has to be a smaller hallway. Because if it's too long, you could just say it's something somewhere else.
Jack: No, you know, it's still in front of you.
Cristina: How do you know?
Jack: You just know. This is the point where you'll be.
Cristina: Like, it's my imagination. I don't know.
Jack: No, because, look, the only question we're trying to answer, thus, everything else needs to be just, like, going smooth. All other variables move smoothly. The only question is, is it scary to see something or not?
Cristina: It's scary to see something. I still think yes.
Jack: But the other information we're talking about can't be changed because those aren't relevant variables. They need to be frozen so we don't have to consider Them.
Cristina: So we have to imagine this in a very long hallway.
Jack: No, we have to imagine this. I'm saying that there's no, like, flexibility here.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cristina: Like, you did hear this thing.
Jack: Yes. You know this thing is in front of you. There's no doubt in your mind, you know? You know this is in front of you. You're not. Notice might be in front of me. No. You know, there's no doubt. Somehow, you know.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: How. Who cares? You know it's in front of you.
Cristina: How do you know it's not the house making the sound?
Jack: Because, you know whatever it is is in front of you, whatever the case.
Cristina: Might be, that if you just hear it. That's why I'm saying if you just hear a creepy sound, how do you know it's a thing in front of you if you don't see the thing? Like, how could you not just pretend that, oh, maybe it's the house?
Jack: Okay, now I see where you're going with this. I thought you were saying, like, you truly believe because. No, you. You see, you. You know. You know, you hear the direction clearly. Is the spot in front of you. You have no doubt that you can hear the sound.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Directionally, where it's coming from. But, yes. You're at this point saying going into a blind denial could easily take place.
Cristina: Yes, I think so.
Jack: Like, yeah, I'm definitely not hearing this. Or it's totally explainable because, like, rationalizing it.
Cristina: Exactly. Exactly. Or it could. Like, he's, like, in this hallway, there's doors to other rooms. Right. Like, you could imagine. Like, maybe it's. Oh, something. Maybe something happened in one of those rooms. Maybe it's a TV in one of those room or something. Are you all alone?
Jack: No. You know that it's not anything. No, no, no. Again, additional variables. These are not. These are not problems. We don't have these problems because this.
Cristina: Is just a hallway with nothing else happening.
Jack: Yes. Or even if there is a million other things happening, you know, without a doubt, this is the only thing we have to consider. You know, without a doubt, that the sound is coming from something directly in front of you.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: If it was a tv, you would. If there was a tv, you would know it's not the tv. You would know there's something else in front of you. Factually, you know what it is.
Cristina: You have a phone, and you turn on the camera.
Jack: Well, you can't see it. That's the point.
Cristina: You have the flash on. You could see it hopefully.
Jack: No, no. The point is you can't see it.
Cristina: But you wouldn't try to see it.
Jack: Yes. And you still wouldn't see it. Of course you would try. The point is, you don't see it.
Cristina: Because then if you don't see it at all, even if you turn on the light in the hallway. Because there's lights. Unless there's a reason why there's no lights in the hallway either. But if you just turn on the lights and there's nothing there but you know the sound is from there, like, then you just pretend it didn't happen.
Jack: Right, Right. Right. Okay. Okay, listen to me. There's something in front of you.
Cristina: Yes. It's just a sound.
Jack: Yes. There's a sound in front of you.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: You don't know what's in front of you, but you know that it is in front of you. Whatever's making the sound.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Is it scarier to see it or not? Not see yet, but see something or see nothing. Nothing else to consider other than what our states of mind are relative to this current information. Everything else ceases to matter.
Cristina: Okay. Just the moment it happens. Not like what you're gonna do afterwards, because, like, if you do turn off the light, it doesn't matter because you're not. It is just the very moment you hear the sound. Are you scared or not? Or what would be worse?
Jack: Yes. Yes.
Cristina: Nothing more than that.
Jack: What's scarier? Yes, if that's. That's the debate we're trying to have. You claim that it is seeing something.
Cristina: Yes. Anything.
Jack: Anything. Because that assures you that there's something in front of you. Yes, but I'm telling you that that's not something to worry about, because you know there's in front of you. No matter which one of these options there is.
Cristina: You. But you don't know. You don't really know. You just know you heard something for sure. That's all. You know you heard something in front of you, but that doesn't mean anything.
Jack: Okay. Better. Better Imma solve your problem.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Okay. This is almost all your problem. You have the Elon Musk neural link installed, right?
Cristina: Sure.
Jack: Yes. In this reality. Making that, for whatever reason, this chip is gonna work. I know it will, but my original explanation doesn't. Even if I designed the rules of the universe. But we're gonna plug that hole up with tech. Okay, so you have the Elon Musk neurotyp installed in your brain.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And you? We're living just far enough in the future. There's a hacker somewhere, and this hacker has the Ability to modify these things illegally because Elon Musk doesn't like it. He shows up personally at your house and just complains if you do it. And nobody wants that. They want Elon Musk happy. But people want mods because.
Cristina: Okay, so I'm getting a mod.
Jack: Yeah, you went and you got a mod, and the mod is just a cool detector mod. For whatever reason, you totally, totally doubt things that happen in the dark. A crazy medical condition you were born with as a child, then that proves.
Cristina: You need to see something.
Jack: Yeah, no, totally, totally gonna explain this away right now, though, because you have, in response to this terrible medical condition, gotten a specific mod that allows you, through your eyes to you through your eyes sensor is happening now. You don't see what's in front of you, but there are detectors that will then feed feedback into your. Into your head and will say, there's something in front of you.
Cristina: Exactly. So that proves that you need something.
Jack: No. Okay, that's perfectly fine. But you didn't see says it tells you there's something in front of you.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And you're like, cool, there's something in front of me that's making that sound. It didn't say a person. It would have said a person if it was a person.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Horrifying. It said, there's something you've never heard.
Cristina: It said something to say that that's perfectly fine.
Jack: That's okay. That's totally fine. So now we're both on board. Right? So we've. We've made it over the hurdle.
Cristina: I still think that proves my point that you need something to know.
Jack: Well, we were. The question was didn't. Whether you needed something. The question was whether it was scarier to see it or see nothing. Hearing about it was not a problem.
Cristina: Very similar to.
Jack: I used hearing to work away a problem that did not need to exist. But now we're back to the original problem, you know, factually, which was I was saying that the whole time, but I led. I walked you there. Now you factually know. And the computer that has always in faith told you, oh, there's a person standing in the dark. Don't be scared. And you just walk. Oh, I see them now. And you walk by. And then sometimes you're like, your thing is like, oh, Bob's home. You know, you're married to Bob, Bob everywhere lately, but you're married to Bob and you're getting home as a Bob's home. Don't be scared. It's not a thief in the house. Yeah, okay, okay. Yeah, my trusty mod that I got. And Elon Musk would be super p***** and yell at me if he knew I had it, but I must do illegal modding to my neuralink and see people because I'm scared of the dark. It's horrifying.
Cristina: Only because you can't. Like, if you didn't have it, though, if you just heard a sound, it doesn't matter where it comes from, it's just a sound.
Jack: Yeah, but the argument wasn't what happened, that you need something, it was that you need a visual, specifically, which point is scarier. So now you know, without a doubt, Without a doubt, there's something in front.
Cristina: Of you, without a doubt, that's already scary. You don't need to see or hear anything.
Jack: The question is now, in this scenario that we've made it this far into, you heard the thing and the computer's like, there's something in front of you. You've never heard it say that? It would usually point out what's in front of you. Yes, there's something in front of you. What? Something. What a weird thing to say. And then you hear, oh, okay. Would it be scarier to see what it is that. See an outliner?
Cristina: It doesn't matter. Now, once it says that, no, no.
Jack: No, it's still horrifying. Which scenario is more horrifying? It's a question.
Cristina: They're both equally horrifying.
Jack: Impossible. One of these has to be, says.
Cristina: There'S something in front of you. After you hear that thing, you're pretty horrified.
Jack: Yes. Which one of these is pretty horrifying beyond the decimal.003 or the decimal 004? You know when you go so far granular, just to be like, well, statistically, this one, because of that, which one of these has the edge up?
Cristina: That's hard as h***. I don't know. They're both horrifying.
Jack: See something, See nothing.
Cristina: Mm If you have something telling you, it's just. It's both. I don't know. What would you find more scary? Just nothing.
Jack: I think more scary would be to see nothing.
Cristina: But why?
Jack: Because you're allowing your imagination to do all the work.
Cristina: Yes, but if you saw a glimpse of something, your imagination is still doing all the work.
Jack: It's doing a lot of work, but it has something to work with which would take away from what it could possibly do within. With an empty canvas.
Cristina: Yeah. Mmm.
Jack: Now, I also guess it depends on the personality, how you would ultimately react to this.
Cristina: Why?
Jack: Because what if you're a person who's normally very rational, like you said, just stands there and just like, well, it could be this.
Cristina: But if the thing told you, yeah, you're already.
Jack: You know, you're totally right because you know there's something in front of you. But see, now you would just think it's glitching out.
Cristina: Would you?
Jack: Would you? Glitching out and like. Well, the something is a dog. And for whatever reason, it said something instead of dog. What? Weird.
Cristina: Maybe that's possible, actually. That's possible.
Jack: Yeah. So even my solution was still a problem. You could still manage to doubt your way out of it?
Cristina: Yes, yes. I don't know. Because, yeah, you could explain it no matter what. I don't know.
Jack: Rational enough.
Cristina: Unless you saw something. Then you would be like, oh, my gosh, maybe there is something there. So there you go. There you go.
Jack: Well, you'd try to rationalize. Based on this logic, you'd still try to rationalize even what you saw.
Cristina: I think you'd be more horrified because you did see something. Well, even if you try to rationalize, I don't know, it's just.
Jack: Well, at this point. At this point. Here's the problem. Here's a problem. I think, I think that it would be way more horrifying with a visual in this specific instance, because if you don't see anything and you doubt your way out of there being something, you're a person who already questions s***. So would you doubt your doubt because there was never confirmation and thus this is. You're gonna be more horrified about the potentiality, you know?
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: As opposed to somebody who truly believes it and immediately jumps into action. I gotta survive. Okay, you're the passive. Like, should I worry?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: That lingering, slower scary.
Cristina: That is scary. Mmm. Yeah.
Jack: But it isn't such an end. It's sort of a long term scary as opposed to a powerful short term scary.
Cristina: Or you just turn on the lights.
Jack: Impossible lights just don't turn on.
Cristina: That was just about the moment. Because after the moment anything could happen.
Jack: So we're saying we're gonna find out what this thing is?
Cristina: No, no, we're not gonna find out. I'm just saying, like, the person that's in this experience could find out if they were brave enough. But I'm imagining because we're stopping before that moment, we won't know what it is. Doesn't matter.
Jack: Okay. Okay. Was the Blair Witch Movie scary?
Cristina: Yeah, I guess. Because you didn't get to see it, right? Is that why you're saying that it's scarier to not see the witch than to see the witch.
Jack: Well, what do you think did you find? Did you find the Blair Witch scary? Like, legitimately?
Cristina: No.
Jack: Okay.
Cristina: I saw it mad late.
Jack: Oh, you saw mad. Well, it doesn't matter when you see. Whenever you saw it. So you saw the Blair Witch, you saw it mad late, but you. You didn't find it scary?
Cristina: No, because I didn't get it. Like, if it was one of those people that sign when they were saying, oh, it's a true story and whatever, then maybe. Yeah, that would be horrifying.
Jack: Okay.
Cristina: Anything based on a true story that's scary would be scary.
Jack: Right? Right. So it's only not scary because you know it's not real. But that same set of rules without you ever seeing something, but it's actually. You're one of those people, are you? Like, well, they're all panicking like a bunch of jackasses. Obviously, there's just trolls out there.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Or are you gonna be like, well, this is kind of f***** up. This is weird, and I'm getting paranoid.
Cristina: Wait, like, if I saw that. Not.
Jack: You were. You were there with them, are you just gonna be in your head like, well, no, they're f****** idiots. Or you're gonna be like, holy s***.
Cristina: I'd be freaking out if I was one of them. Yeah, I'd be freaking out.
Jack: And you've never.
Cristina: That one guy with the map that doesn't want to show anyone that he's lost. That guy.
Jack: No. Let's be real. Okay? Time to be me. Let's fix this film, bro.
Cristina: Okay? Because I would murder that.
Jack: I would f****** kill that guy.
Cristina: Dude, I rip the map out of his hand.
Jack: No. No, f*** that guy. He's already crazy enough to think it makes perfect sense to hoard that when four minds are way the f*** better than one. F*** that guy. He's a danger to survival. We're working Apocalypse rules right now, bro. Give it to me out of the kindness in your heart, or I have to kill you because I believe you are not rational enough to not retaliate for me taking the map from you.
Cristina: But if it's like the first moment where he's like. Like the first day that you're lost, you wouldn't go straight to the zero to 60.
Jack: Boom.
Cristina: Yeah. Like, wouldn't it be, like, a few days in and you're like, okay, now it's got to be life or death. You give me that.
Jack: Fair enough. Fair enough. There's like, a grace period.
Cristina: Yeah. So I feel like the first Day. If he doesn't give it to you, then maybe you try to, like, convince him to give it to you. Or you just. Why didn't anyone just steal the map?
Jack: I don't.
Cristina: Like, they did, like, madly and then realized, oh, crap, we're lost.
Jack: Yeah, I don't know what the f*** that was a very weird. Like, that would not have happened, bro. I. I would have. I could know. Dude, give it to us. Or you give it to us. Like, the end. There's no argument. There's no debate. You start running for a guy in.
Cristina: The group, I'm guessing, like, no one would want to mess with him for some reason.
Jack: And having your neck snapped at that moment sucks.
Cristina: No, I meant, like, he's got to sleep eventually. I don't know. I wasn't planning on. What is it? Breaking his neck?
Jack: Snap in his neck, Stealing the map while he sleeves, and then what? He's already the bigger, better guy. We're a bunch of sissies.
Cristina: According to this law, we run away.
Jack: You.
Cristina: If we can read the map. Now that we have the map, let's just go.
Jack: Where are you running to? You got to go somewhere where you could read the map, but it's the middle of the night and you're already running away from.
Cristina: We got flashlights. I'm assuming you just got to get.
Jack: Far enough, but you don't know where you're going and everywhere. We don't have to. Where you are.
Cristina: We don't run away at that moment. He's sleeping. He's not gonna wake up and then look for us, right? We're just gonna stand there in the cab, right by the fireplace, decide where we're gonna go, and then just go. He's asleep.
Jack: Okay?
Cristina: It's not like the moment I take the map, he wakes up, he's in a video game.
Jack: He's eventually gonna wake up, though.
Cristina: Yeah, we still have time. I'm assuming he's gonna wake up in the morning.
Jack: Why would he not wake up? When you're talking by the fire, we're whispering. No, it's gonna. Something's gonna wake him up. That's always the case here. Like, you're being. There's no way you're just over there in the camp. Why is it survival? I don't know.
Cristina: It's not survival. Why would he be suspicious? We're just hanging out by the camp.
Jack: Where are we?
Cristina: In the forest?
Jack: Why are we in the forest and why is there a camp?
Cristina: Because we're investigating Bloody Mary or whatever, the witches.
Jack: What was the Plot of this. I totally lost my train of thought.
Cristina: The movie.
Jack: Oh, wait, yeah.
Cristina: Blair Witch. That's her name.
Jack: Yeah, Blair Witch. So she's investigating Blair Witch. Right.
Cristina: So we decided we're gonna hang out in the forest to find her, but. And then our leader got lost and.
Jack: Decided to steal the map. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we gotta. Yeah, yeah. So we don't. Look, we have. We don't have to kill the guy.
Cristina: We just steal the map.
Jack: But because we're talking there by the. He's like, what the f***? Come on. He's gonna wake up.
Cristina: We just pretend we're hanging out.
Jack: But we can't. We need the map in order to discuss it. That's the problem.
Cristina: We have the map.
Jack: Yes. We hide it until when? He's gonna get up and eventually know the map is gone.
Cristina: Do we have phones with cameras at this timeline? I don't know how long ago. This is. Like, we could just take a picture of the map.
Jack: No, this is.
Cristina: I know. We can't Google it. I don't. I doubt that was a thing.
Jack: No, no, no. They didn't have pictures.
Cristina: They had cameras. Right. What if they videotape the map and then, like, zoom into the videotape and then when he wakes up, we're like, oh, we're just looking through what we recorded already or whatever.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: And discussing, like, how we can.
Jack: They can actually leave the map with him and use. But that's dangerous because that'll eventually run out. But when that happens, you steal the real maps or whatever.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: You know, at that point, you're so familiar with the map, you just like, let me jack that s*** and keep it moving.
Cristina: I mean, maybe one of you is a great drawer and you just draw out the points that you need to go to the map. I don't know. There's no one that's like that. Like, just quickly draw a layout of where you need to go before you just give him the map back. You need that map. I don't know. You replace it with another map. I don't know. You need more maps. You have a map up. You rip out around the page, you give it to him, you take the real map.
Jack: You're not gonna find the map book out here in the middle of nowhere.
Cristina: You know, you brought one. It has all the maps besides the map that you're in. Because he has it.
Jack: Because he ripped it out of the map.
Cristina: Yes. Yeah. So you just rip out another page of the map book, give it to him, and you take it.
Jack: Man.
Cristina: I Don't know, like, I guess the true thing is, like, he's a villain of this movie. Not the Blair Witch.
Jack: No. Well, the problem is they really are just getting murdered or some s***.
Cristina: Yeah, because they're in her area. Because this guy made them be part of this area and they didn't want to be in that area.
Jack: No, actually the emo girl is the one.
Cristina: Well, she just wants to interview people about it. I don't think she wanted to look for her. I don't think anyone was looking for her. They just wanted to know the story about her. They were investigating that, like the lore behind her. But they weren't like looking for her. They weren't investigating where she is. I think. I don't remember.
Jack: No, I think they really set out to find her.
Cristina: Really?
Jack: Yeah. At the beginning they were interviewing her, but then they literally went out to camp to see if they would find her.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: Yeah. But also. Okay, let's. Let's break this down real quick. Just out here talking some Blair Witch Project type s***. But in this movie, what the h*** really is a Blair Witch?
Cristina: It's a lady who lives in the forest who does magic. It's a witch. She's just a witch.
Jack: Right, but like, is she though? There's no proof of this.
Cristina: No, actually she might not be a witch. She just might be a crazy lady who lives in the forest killing people.
Jack: No, because some of these people are in weird ways not even dead and somewhere more horrifying, kind of.
Cristina: Okay, so you think magic is involved?
Jack: I don't know. Think about the shot from when the girl runs down to the girl or somebody, whoever the h*** is holding the camera when they ran down to the basement. And they see the other guy, not hurt, not hung, not with his face attached to a pipe or anything, just.
Cristina: Staring at a wall or something.
Jack: Staring at a wall. That's also, by the way, way, way more horrifying.
Cristina: How do we know she doesn't drug people?
Jack: Could be. But like, how are you moving these people? How's any of this happening? The. With the velocity that they both enter the house together, they separate by one floor, hear scream, run down the stairs and immediately just see him in this position. No f****** way. Nope.
Cristina: Why?
Jack: It's too soon for anything. It's moments. There's no way in h*** that that's what happened. Something so crazy we couldn't fathom it took place there.
Cristina: But also she was haunt like around them before that. Like if she did something to them, it could have been before that moment. And then it just taking effect to him at that moment.
Jack: Interesting. Interesting.
Cristina: Please. Weren't they also hallucinating and stuff? Am I wrong?
Jack: Well, yeah. No, no, really, really. What you're talking about is real magic. Like the real depictions of the fake depictions of magic, throwing that away and using real concepts of how magic could be portrayed in the real world. That's really what you're discussing here.
Cristina: What do you mean? I don't know.
Jack: Well, in the case of the Blair Witch, you're saying that in her drugging them consistently throughout a period of time, these are potions and things. That's really what's happening. And that the drugs could make them hallucinate, but also the potentiality that somebody they encountered has quite powerful hypnotic abilities.
Cristina: And maybe through, like a voodoo witch type of thing.
Jack: Yeah, through some suggestions weird zombies, like, got crap into their heads. Triggers for later, the way people like Darren Brown do.
Cristina: Yes, because she was stalking them. I'm pretty sure she was stalking them through the movie.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. I think so.
Jack: So she could be encountering them at random moments. Why didn't I think of that? Because I was talking about the people they interviewed. Like they were talking to me. They put those people. But they definitely spoke to way more people.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So somebody could have tossed a couple of things here and there, knowing. Or perhaps even luring them in with the thought.
Cristina: Oh, yes.
Jack: And then doing these things.
Cristina: Oh, it could have been one of those people they interviewed. Because the witch would be living in that area as a normal person. Most likely. Yeah.
Jack: Yes. It would just be somebody who lives there.
Cristina: Yeah. Oh, that's awesome. We figured it out.
Jack: Interesting, interesting. So the Blair Witch is some sort of voodoo priestess or alchemic kind of person just blending into society. Sort of a serial killer of sorts.
Cristina: Spreading her own story.
Jack: Mm.
Cristina: But also getting victims through sharing her story.
Jack: Yes, interesting. It's a Freddy Krueger or. Yeah, well, you have to know about Freddy Krueger.
Cristina: Yeah, I think so.
Jack: Holy word.
Cristina: There's. Yeah, I think that's how that works.
Jack: That sucks. Hear about the story once, you know, you just f*****.
Cristina: Yes, yes. That's why.
Jack: Yeah, well, that works kind of like the ring, right? Only when you know, are you.
Cristina: The ring.
Jack: Yeah, you got to watch some. The film first.
Cristina: Oh, yes. And then you have. Yeah, like our show.
Jack: Yeah, but yeah, you hear it and then you watch. You watch it, and then you're f*****. And then that's it. Seven days later. Screwed.
Cristina: Yeah, that's the same thing happening, I guess.
Jack: Yeah, but we're saying that the Blair Witch is f****** with these people, drugging them, hypnotizing them. And what we see in the basement was that this lady hiding somewhere in this house immediately ran up to him, dropped one of those triggers that immediately, immediately zombified him. Then she pointed at a corner and said, stand over there. And he walked over there and she just walked away casually into a corner where you can't see her. And then you walk down the stairs and see the guy standing there and you're like, oh, if she knows about.
Cristina: That cabinet then like maybe there's a windows that are open or like open a little bit that she can just whisper something. Yeah, Someone's next to it, they'll hear.
Jack: It goes off.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Which would explain why at the very last thing that we saw about that film was the camera just suddenly dropping and playing for nothing. Because we hear nobody drop, which was what we were expecting. Somebody hit the floor, but it's creepy. Or that nobody hit the floor, but it's because the old lady just walks by into something. Yes, she like. But a lot of we don't hear when they were in the forest. I believe things are being whispered, but I don't think in the house things are being whispered, but maybe they were because the camera caught none of it.
Cristina: No, that doesn't mean it wasn't happening.
Jack: Doesn't mean it wasn't happening. Alternatively, there are other ways. Visual cues that we're not catching. Maybe she's swinging her hand in front of their faces and doing a hand gesture or something. That's immediately causing the trigger to go off.
Cristina: Could be through windows, it could be through mirrors like it does. She doesn't have to be right, right there.
Jack: Yeah. And the camera doesn't look at everywhere all at once. It's an old school camera.
Cristina: interesting.
Jack: There could be somebody who just lured them there when they were looking through the story. Maybe this happens all the time.
Cristina: Yes, well, we figured it out. I think that's crazy. So she's an actual witch?
Jack: Well, no, no. I mean, I guess she's no different than the witches of the past, but she's definitely not the witches of lore. Because the witches of lore are weird magic. Throw things in a pot, make kind of a wish kind of thing almost. And then something happens or say some words and like boom, some s*** goes down.
Cristina: Like that's not fantasy witch.
Jack: Exactly. Like real physical reality witch. Yes, that's definitely what she is.
Cristina: Slash magician, illusionist, etc. Yes.
Jack: Using all the things that apply in that nature so the Blair Witch was just a person great with all these things who also love to kill people because somebody's literal heart was ripped out.
Cristina: I kind of don't remember that. But okay.
Jack: Yeah. When they found the heart wrapped in.
Cristina: A shirt, it was one of their friends.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Because if it was just a heart.
Jack: In a piece of his friends shirt, I don't know how they look. I don't think they looked at the heart and were like, well, that's definitely Bub's heart.
Cristina: Or that's definitely a deer's heart wrapped in his shirt.
Jack: Yeah, they wouldn't know.
Cristina: They wouldn't know.
Jack: They could have just taken the shirt off of him.
Cristina: Wait, did they find any dead bodies? No, because that means no one might be dead, but they are missing. So then never mind. I don't know.
Jack: That doesn't mean they're dead.
Cristina: Yes, because the guy who's standing there, he's not dead. He's just standing there.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: So there's no proof that she's actually killing people. She's just messing with people and they don't go home.
Jack: Did I mean, do they say people go missing because maybe time passes and then they show up and then they're like, what the f*** happened?
Cristina: Yeah, it depends on what's the rumors. I don't remember if it's about people dying from her or people just missing because of her.
Jack: Interesting.
Cristina: We should figure that out.
Jack: We should definitely take a look at this. Okay. Okay, here we go. We pulled it up.
Cristina: Yes, that's the plot of it. Okay, let's see where it starts. Okay. They travel to some place and interview residents about the legend. There's one story about a hermit who lived in the woods kidnapping seven kids. And he killed the kids. Except for one who was watching, who had to stand in the corner, I guess to watch the whole thing or not to watch it. I don't know. What's the guy doing? He's in the corner though. I want stands in the corner like the ending.
Jack: He's punishing a kid. Go stand in the corner.
Cristina: Yeah, but that means you, when you punish a kid to stand in the corner, that kid's not facing you. So he's not actually watching the murder.
Jack: He's not watching it. No, that person's going through h***.
Cristina: Yeah. Then they research legend some more. Let's see. Yes, they hear about the woods being haunted. They have a story that a young girl went missing. She returned three days later and she talked about old lady whose feet never touched the ground. Then there was students who went hiking where five men were found ritualist. Ritualistically murdered. Their bodies later disappeared. But there's no proof of these bodies. Like, yes, they saw. They're saying someone saw, but they're legends. So you're just saying, like, if the stories change over and over, that you could just say that they were murdered.
Jack: Yes. There's no proof because there's no proof.
Cristina: Exactly. There's no proof that any of these bodies happened. But we just know these people probably really did go missing. And let's see if there's more stories. Stuff happens. They hear some twigs snapping. Yeah. I guess that's the end of the story of the legends. At least then the weird stuff happens while they're hiking.
Jack: Okay, so we never see somebody dead. There's no proof of that. Everybody's missing. And the only person we know current day who disappears.
Cristina: And it wasn't a heart. You said that there was a shirt. It was blood soaked. It had teeth, hair, a finger and a piece of a tongue. But you're also assuming it's from the person that was missing.
Jack: I guess because it's wrapped in their shirt.
Cristina: Yeah, as well. Is he the guy? I think he's the one that they find in the basement who's just standing there. I'm assuming the girl hears screaming in the basement. Her camera captures Mike standing in the corner. Okay. That's not the guy, though, whose stuff was missing, who they're looking for. That's another guy. So we don't know if that other guy got killed.
Jack: This isn't the guy who's missing?
Cristina: No. They're looking for him in the house, the guy that is missing. But the guy in this corner is one of them that's looking for that guy.
Jack: Yes. Oh, yeah. So this is what I said. When they walked into the house. They split up by one floor.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: They heard the person with the camera.
Cristina: They don't find the missing guy. I'm saying.
Jack: Yeah, I know.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Because they just run down. So that's why it's crazy unlikely that this was something that happened until you said that maybe happened over time. Because it's moments. And they hear something and run downstairs and they're just standing there. The person they just walked into the house with.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: So how did they so quickly fall into this? Unless everything was pre planned and there was somebody who threw a couple of suggestions. Yeah, or been drugging you. Or both. Because you're out there. They don't even have to end if it's a good enough potion. Maybe it's based on aroma. And you're just dropping s*** by your tent. You're inhaling it while you're sleeping. They didn't have to touch you. They're just in the area. They walked by, dropped something. Boom. You sniffed something, not even knowing it was happening. It dissolved into the ground. So you never see it in the morning, but you sniffed it the whole time, and they just kept walking. They didn't even think about it a second time.
Cristina: Yes. I don't know. Like, so you think, huh? But there's so many different stories that are super unrelated to each other, though. But it does prove that the place is haunted, I guess.
Jack: It's not haunted. It's rumors.
Cristina: It's rumors. Yes. Never mind. It's rumors.
Jack: Now, the question we're trying to get to here, I suppose, is the culprit, the witch in this scenario, somebody who they interviewed. And so we have our culprits already.
Cristina: It could be.
Jack: Because what are the odds that they put the person who it was in there? But it would also have to be somebody who is charismatic if they're good at what they're good at. Well, at least for the hypnosis part.
Cristina: Yeah. They would probably enjoy being. Having the cameras. They probably choose these people because they have cameras.
Jack: Yeah, exactly. They're putting on a show.
Cristina: They're putting on. Exactly.
Jack: So whoever it is is already in front of the camera. And that's what kind of got them excited. These people came to them.
Cristina: Yes. They'll put a show on for those people, and then once they get rid of those people, other people will find those cameras, and then everyone will know.
Jack: Interesting.
Cristina: And then people will come to investigate some more. And that'll be more fun.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: For the, you know, the person. Yeah.
Jack: So our culprit is hidden amongst the people who are most exciting, which are most likely the ones they put into the footage, which are the people we got to see at the beginning of the movie. Interesting.
Cristina: Yes. Yes. But it would be very hard to tell unless you want to actually investigate who they interviewed.
Jack: I want to see who they interviewed. All the listeners can go and check. We'll put the link to this.
Cristina: Yeah, put the link to the movie.
Jack: Not the movie. Whatever clip we see with the intro that we're about to. Up to YouTube. That's in YouTube or whatever. We'll put that in here so you can find that. And you can look at this in this very next moment. Starting. Because we're gonna listen to it in that moment, right? We're gonna listen to it. We're gonna watch it, then we're gonna continue talking.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And to you it's gonna be an instant and that instant is gonna be right. But also I don't want you to. No, I'm just f****** with you. It's gonna be right. But no, seriously, look, I do think anyways. No, it's gonna be right now. Oh man, I am so friggin excited right now. Okay, so we got a couple of culprits. There's an old guy at the beginning.
Cristina: Mm. There's an old guy also that we don't hear about. Or he's the same old guy, but he like they talk to him in the store and then he comes outside of the store. Is that the same?
Jack: No, no, no. So there's two. Yeah. So there's a hermit older guy. This is a hermit old guy that doesn't interact with anybody. He lives up in the hill. That's the stories are of that guy. That guy was a real person. That guy eventually died or went to the hospital or something and like his story is currently being abused for the benefit of the Blair Witch. Now we're gonna assume that guy does not exist because they're using his story. He's dead. He's not the culprit. Now suspect number one, old guy. The beginning. Interesting old guy. Matches old guy just so happens to be which his ability to change how they look any range of things he could change structurally how he's an old guy. So. Fair enough. Whatever, bro. You got powers. We can make us look like whatever if we're watching you on a video. Who knows what you said. And his excitement at the beginning when they said they're shooting a documentary about the Blair, which was so ecstatic.
Cristina: Is he the one?
Jack: Well, that's just culvert number one.
Cristina: Oh, okay. You're going through.
Jack: Because culprit number two is the lady.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Lady with the baby.
Cristina: Do you think the lady with the baby.
Jack: I don't think. I'm just talking about everybody who's in the video.
Cristina: Okay. Okay. Come on. Yeah, yeah.
Jack: And the lady with the baby I don't really have. She's also excited, but I think she's just genuinely excited. I think she's just a chill person. She didn't have any vibes on her that I was like, meh, you know.
Cristina: And the culprit number three would be the bro. Yes, the bro.
Jack: No, I want here's. There's no way it's 100% the bro. It's a hundred percent the bro. But was there Anybody else in that video?
Cristina: No, it was just them three.
Jack: Them three. Okay, so I want to hear your reasoning for which one.
Cristina: No, I want you to go first.
Jack: I promise you that mine is way better than yours.
Cristina: No, go first. I don't want to ruin. I don't know, it's tough to tell. It's tough to tell. Okay, I'll rock, paper, scissor this or something.
Jack: Oh, fair enough, fair enough.
Cristina: Something.
Jack: Flip something. Is there something out here we can flip? There is a bottle cap. And I'm gonna flip open side.
Cristina: What is head? That's tails.
Jack: That's tails. So the other side is. Okay, perfect. Okay, which one do you pick? If you're right, I go first. Because you want me to. If I'm right, if you're wrong, you go first. So basically, if you're heads, but you call heads, I go first because you want me to go first. If you're heads, but you call tails. Like if you call heads but you get tails, then you go first because you were wrong. What you want me to do doesn't matter because I want you to do the opposite anyways. Okay, so heads or tails?
Cristina: Tails.
Jack: Of course.
Cristina: There's always gonna be tails with that type of thing.
Jack: No, it can't be.
Cristina: Rear side is the. Oh, look at that.
Jack: There you go.
Cristina: But that's two out of three. Tails.
Jack: That means if it happened four times, it would break even.
Cristina: Do it again.
Jack: You want it even on 2 out of 3? One more time.
Cristina: One more time.
Jack: One more time. One more time.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: But okay. My reasoning behind why it's a bro. The bro literally described only emotions you could feel if you were present or had experienced them, or have. No, only if you experience them. Because it was very specific scenario he had mentioned, but he hadn't mentioned it in an abstract removed way, but rather how he would feel if it happened to him. This very exact scenario. This bro was talking about experience. Except why would they think it's me? Mm, he convinced me into. Cuz he did it two times.
Cristina: What was his story again? He wasn't the one.
Jack: Wait, no, he was just recounting what happened. He's like, oh no, I know the story about the whatever because of this. That doesn't matter. It's when he was telling us what the Blair Witch did because he's heard of what. So he's telling us all this horrible thing or that horrible thing, the way a serial killer would do it.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And then he's telling you about how he would feel about certain situations.
Cristina: Oh, wait, he was saying that that was a horror story, though. That the parents would tell them to scare them to bed or something.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, Totally fine. It's great. Okay. But what he's describing. When he's describing what the Blair Witch does. Crazy. How would you know? How would these emotions make sense? And how would these scenarios make sense? The fact that you would so specifically recall something like this that nobody would consider.
Cristina: I don't remember. I'm gonna go watch it again because I don't remember him being that detailed.
Jack: Yeah, let's go. Okay. What do you think?
Cristina: Interesting. Interesting.
Jack: Right? Because he's so into it. Like, oh, no, they would do this or they would do that. It's possible in that scenario that his grandma was furry time. The Blair Witch.
Cristina: You're wrong about that.
Jack: And then he was the Blair Witch.
Cristina: What happened was there was a guy who did that stuff.
Jack: Right?
Cristina: And then there was a guy who survived that and he.
Jack: You saying he got sawed and then he.
Cristina: Yes. Yes. He enjoyed it. Yeah.
Jack: And you think it was this old.
Cristina: Guy or the young dude. It doesn't matter which two. But one of them was really there. Who? He was just the one that was chosen not to die that day.
Jack: The one who stands in the corner.
Cristina: Yes. Which could be the young guy. It doesn't matter.
Jack: No, but it was specified that the one who stands in the corner gets killed anyways.
Cristina: No, he. It said. They said that.
Jack: Yeah, the guy said that he makes him stand in the corner and then he just kills him anyways.
Cristina: No, Now I have to go. Are you sure?
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: The thing that makes me think that one of them stayed alive is what he says that the person who watching the wall. Watches the wall or whatever. He said that he can feel the eyes or he can feel what's happening behind. Like the way he describes the person at the wall feeling like. Like he was that person who said that. The young guy.
Jack: The young guy.
Cristina: He describes the feeling of being that person and like, this is why he did that. So that that person could feel this way and like. But he made it feel like that person might still be alive. Like he said it like it was present.
Jack: Yes. Which means we're both right.
Cristina: Yes, I think so.
Jack: Like, he want. He is currently what we are experiencing in the movie as the Blair Witch. It's him. But he is. Who's talking about. He's talking about personal experience. I was. I totally missed that part. But he did speak personal experience from both points. Point of views.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Of, like, what you feel doing it and what you feel having had it done to you.
Cristina: Yes, because he's doing both. Or he was doing one, he's now doing the other.
Jack: So there is a saw esque kind of problem taking place here. Interesting.
Cristina: Interesting. I think so.
Jack: So it's the kid. It's the kid. It's definitely the kid. He's the Blair Witch.
Cristina: Yeah. He was that young boy.
Jack: He was a young boy.
Cristina: He probably heard stories like his, the true, you know, what his mom was saying or whatever. And he probably did end up in the woods with the seven kids.
Jack: It was one of the seven kids.
Cristina: Exactly. And then it happened to him. And then he knew. Oh yeah. Her stories were true.
Jack: Or there were eight kids. They originally thought there were eight kids but eventually he popped up again. After all the things happened unrelated to anything that happened there. They would just chalked it off as, oh, he's not related to the thing. But he was missing for some time.
Cristina: Ah. Because there's a lot of missing people and there's a lot of dead children.
Jack: Yes. And we did hear about the girl who came back. Unless that was not intentional because there is a girl who came back three days later as said by the old guy.
Jack: So somebody got away.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And had no memory or something.
Cristina: Had no memory.
Jack: What was the story of the girl? Okay, these are two additional suspects I had no idea existed. That's five suspects total. What was the third one?
Cristina: There's two fishermen.
Jack: Oh yeah. Yes. Those fishermen. Who one of them could be. I didn't even think about that. I was considering both of them at the same time.
Cristina: One of them is truly denying all of it. So. And then one is like, yeah, it's all true.
Jack: Interesting. Then the lady and then the lady Mary. Mary seems like she's out of her f****** mind.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: But also Mary says she encountered the Blair Witch. I don't know if we can trust Mary.
Cristina: Why? She has a Bible, she has crosses.
Jack: Here's what's fascinating about Mary. Mary describes this fantastical creature that she comes across which you're calling a yeti. A yeti?
Cristina: Yetis are magical. Therefore Blair Witch is a yeti.
Jack: Okay, totally acceptable, except a witch would throw you off. Anyways, so this story is so that you don't think it's her? If it was her?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: You know, it's like, oh, no, I'm just a crazy lady.
Cristina: Mmm.
Jack: I'm just a crazy lady.
Cristina: Or it is a yeti and like everyone's dead in these stories. No one's really telling these stories. These are just made up stories. About what happened to these dead missing people. Therefore, it could be a yeti.
Jack: So the conclusion is that the Blair Witch is really just a yeti because the description that Mary gives us.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Is essentially a yeti wearing a furry coat. Yes.
Cristina: Or shawl. What is a shawl? That's like a. Yeah.
Jack: Who cares? It's a yeti.
Cristina: Furry also.
Jack: Yeah. She's fur everywhere.
Cristina: She's furry. Wearing furry stuff. Okay.
Jack: Alternatively, the two fishermen.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Why?
Cristina: One of them, like, is questionable because he seems like a drunk. So like his experience, like he thinks he saw her, but also he's like probably just imagining things. Like, I mean that's the problem.
Jack: Maybe that's there to throw us off. Right. Like, maybe he is a drunken. So that's why he's. Who was targeted. Who was gonna believe this a******?
Cristina: Like if he was actually Blair Witch though, like, you think he could do it?
Jack: Yeah, I mean it could be anybody. Anybody could be the Blair Witch. We don't know. We gotta go. Based off of these interviews, man.
Cristina: Yes. I don't.
Jack: I don't know.
Cristina: I don't know if he did it. I don't know. He's. He's the most least likely.
Jack: Which one?
Cristina: The drunk.
Jack: The drunk. What about the other guy?
Cristina: I think he totally could be a suspect because he is such in denial of it. He doesn't want.
Jack: No, definitely not. It's impossible.
Cristina: Yes. Which makes me like, maybe he's hiding the truth.
Jack: Like almost excessively, right?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Like, no, you're an idiot.
Cristina: Yeah. Because like he knows his friend didn't see her because he knows he's her and he wasn't that thing that he.
Jack: Saw in the water.
Cristina: Yeah. Like, no, I wouldn't be coming out of the water. Why would I be doing that? That's weird.
Jack: Any sense? Yes, exactly. Dumb thing to think I would do.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Interesting, interesting. So the hands. So, okay.
Cristina: Like he's taking the stories too seriously and he's like. No.
Jack: So Mary, the in denial fisherman.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Or who was their suspect from the other batch?
Cristina: Everyone. No, I guess the young dude or the young.
Jack: The young. The bro. The bro.
Cristina: The bro.
Jack: Those are our three main suspects. Now the bro was recounting like first hand experiences. And it's possible one of those scenarios is either moment, it's either the third piece of evidence of hands on experience as the killer or it's the first piece of experience of a survivor recounting firsthand experience.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Regardless, there's too much first hand experience in how he's describing the scenarios.
Cristina: Yes. That Makes him such a suspect. But also the old guy, like he knew the person who killed. Like he was like it happened in the past. He might have been a child around that time. Because it happened in the 40s. He was around in the 40s. He was young. In the 40s, right. Like he's an old man now.
Jack: Yeah, he was there as a kid.
Cristina: As a kid, right? Like, yes. Unless he was a young adult then. I don't know. But like imagine if he was a young kid and he saw this man and he heard about these things and maybe. Yeah, he was a victim or he heard about it and he experienced and it happened.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: So I don't know.
Jack: So he has motive. We got motive for the old guy. Like how it could have happened. But the bro is recounting things that like, hard to tackle that while the other guy is having himself an active emotional reaction.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Like why, dude?
Cristina: Why?
Jack: Why are you so against this? Which is like, that's way more of a red flag. Because maybe the bro just talks weird.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And he's over here really feeling. Maybe he's a feeler, an sf. And this is what I was told.
Cristina: He's like the girl who was interview who was excited about the stories too. She was like, cool, this is awesome story. Even though like child don't listen.
Jack: But yeah, but no, he was talking about things like why, why would you think about this specifically? You must have replayed this in your mind if you're not the killer in great detail in order to have thought about that very specific weird thing. Like that's weird. That's what's strange about him. He recounts things that are like a first hand experience type of person would describe.
Cristina: Man. But then that Mary lady.
Jack: But then the Mary lady. Mary is a f****** wrench. Because Mary creates a problem. If Mary were the witch, could we trust her story? No. Well, actually we couldn't trust the witch's story regardless, which is a problem with all of these scenarios. Yeah, but if Mary were the witch, she'd do whatever so that we don't think it's her obvious behavior.
Cristina: So everything's an act. Her house is an act. The flag is an act, the crosses, the Bible.
Jack: Everything. Everything is bullshit. Yes. All the time.
Cristina: All of it. Love it. Even that story about the yeti?
Jack: Yes. Everything is made up. She doesn't give a f***. She makes s*** up all the time. None of this matters. Probably spitting out different bullshit stories all the time. Oh man, it's gotta be the joker. Yes.
Cristina: Oh my gosh. Or the Yeti it's like her or the yeti is my number. Two number one spots. Then the fisherman and the young man is my number.
Jack: Because the yeti is like something that happened. It's a culprit we can't interview, but it is a culprit that maybe it was a literal yeti. Alternatively, maybe that other guy descriptions of.
Cristina: The witch of like, what's their experience? Of like, they feel something moving around them, but they can't see it. That's exactly what happens when you have a yetis. Like those experiences feel. It's the same story about when you see a yeti. You, like, I saw something and you ran fast or whatever. And like, it's a yeti.
Jack: It's not a yeti. I figured out what it was.
Cristina: Okay, what is it?
Jack: We go through moments in life where we are very dumb to things we've always known. One of the things you and I, throughout our conversations we've landed at is that it's never the person, it's the system. We have many things like that. I just can't remember most of them. Okay, but one of the things that we should always remember to include into that mixture of thoughts that always apply to every scenario.
Cristina: Aliens.
Jack: No.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It's that everything that could ever happen at all connects back to adrenochrome.
Cristina: Oh, my God.
Jack: And now let me just paint you a real broad quick picture. There was an old guy, and then he killed a bunch of children. And then he went to jail or died or something. And then a bunch of weird s*** started happening in the woods. Somebody drank adrenochrome, got f****** powers, got dead or whatever f*** happened, and then started doing adrenochrome Y s*** in the woods and forever drinking the blood of children.
Cristina: His murders. Because those kids were very fearful. Yes, adrenochrome. But also adrenochrome attracts creatures from the other side.
Jack: No, fear does.
Cristina: Okay, what are those kids feeling?
Jack: Fear.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Yes. And in the place generates enough because anybody in that area feels a creature will come.
Cristina: Yes, Yeti.
Jack: Yeti. So that means that multiple stories here happening. Yes, because we don't need the old guy for this. Regardless of which one of the other culprits could have done it. But also. No, you're wrong, because a yeti is not from the shadow realm.
Cristina: That is a version of the yeti that comes from the shadow realm. The wild yeti.
Jack: The. Yeah, whatever.
Cristina: Whatever the crap I can't remember. It's the same thing, but it's scarier.
Jack: What?
Cristina: Sasquatch Sasquatch. Is that the one?
Jack: No, those are all from this side. It's reaching.
Cristina: No, one of them is the wild one. Yeah, no, that's. Yes. Well, this experience gave them adrenochrome, Right?
Jack: Why would they. They found the yeti and gave the yeti adrenochrome.
Cristina: The yeti was there. I don't know. Maybe he was. Because the bodies were there by themselves. The yeti discovers the bodies, but whoever is.
Jack: Oh, you're saying that they're just a serial killer and then the endy.
Cristina: Yes. So there's just. He. He killed them and then he abandoned them. There's a bunch of blood and fear in one spot.
Jack: So then it's not a f****** yeti, it's something else. Took it and became this s***. Because if they just saw yeti, that stops making sense.
Cristina: Who saw yeti?
Jack: Whoever the f*** saw the yeti. The Mary lady. Because the yeti really did happen. We're assuming her story is true.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And she really saw yeti or whatever. But also that doesn't make sense. She's describing it. You're saying yeti. Great. Fantastic. She saw a hairy creature. A yeti wouldn't take adrenochrome and then just stay a yeti. No, it turned into some other s*** that's already been established, which means something that isn't a yeti and somehow looks like a human woman with the body. That's crazy. Furry is a f****** creature of some weird freak of nature. And then that creature, because again, oh, it's just a lady. But then she showed me underneath it's a lady. And then I saw her arms hairy like an impossible. And then she showed me her body all hairy. Okay, that's not sasquatch. It would be like. Oh, it was like a monkey man. No, that's usually a description. This is some other s***. This is a whole other creature.
Cristina: Okay, but the creature came because of the death and fear and whatever.
Jack: Yeah. Basically we've just discovered a creature we did not know about.
Cristina: Oh, there might be stories about this creature and we just haven't found it. Oh, okay.
Jack: There is an interesting problem. It's definitely not Sasquatch. This is a whole other scenario happening. But regardless of which case happened, this could happen. Yes, Adrenochrome something. It's either a creature came upon the bodies. If there's a serial killer, desert killer, kills the people, doesn't give a s*** about their blood. He does his thing. Creature stumbled upon a body drowning in adrenochrome, ate, drank, whatever, somehow Came in contact with it, loved it, took more, becomes some s***, and then it continues chasing that and as a result, finds people. And thus the story of Mary.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Or old guy dies, allegedly. But he already killed a bunch of children. He got away with whatever he was trying to do to get the adrenochrome. Death is impossible now. I'll just become something greater. And upon going back.
Cristina: Yep. Okay. Yes. He's that hairy lady.
Jack: Okay, so we got culprits, and we got reasons for all of them. What do you guys think? What do you guys think? Who do you guys think is the culprit for the Blair Witch Project? Who. Which one of the people interviewed is, in fact the witch? Because it is among them. Because the witch likes flair. Real witches like flair. They like drama. They like narrative. That's why they take up these jobs.
Cristina: As magicians and several coders. Like flare, too.
Jack: They do. They do. That's.
Cristina: They.
Jack: There's an art to what they're doing. The artist of the murder world.
Cristina: Yes. Okay. Yes, she's here somewhere.
Jack: Ironically, they do usually fit the drama kid bill. Crazy.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Weird. Anyways, so let us know who you guys think is the killer out of the people. We're putting the links to all the people, and you can watch those videos on YouTube and you can find us everywhere, like socials and stuff at Facebook and Twitter and Instagram. Just convopod.
Cristina: Yes. Remember to subscribe, write and review the show.
Jack: Yes. And let someone who might like the show know about it. Talk, say words. Be like, yo.
Cristina: Tell them about our theories.
Jack: Yes. Tell them that the Blair Witch Project has suspects at the beginning that you should consider.
Cristina: You should let us know what's scarier. Just hearing a sound or hearing a sound and seeing something.
Jack: Yes. That's also totally true. Hearing the sound and seeing nothing or hearing the sound and seeing something?
Cristina: A glimpse of something.
Jack: Yes. What's more horrifying? Great, Great questions to answer.
Cristina: Yes. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks for listening.
Jack: Bye.
Cristina: That's so weird. Yeah. And that reminds me, though, of the podcast that we did with the. I will never forget it because I was saying it wrong the whole time.
Jack: Except.
Cristina: Except. No, not that. It was. What's it called? Spooky Pasta. Creepypasta.
Jack: Creepypasta.
Cristina: It was a creepypasta episode. There was a story about a guy who goes into a cave. He's called a caver. And I was saying caver.
Jack: A caver.
Cristina: Right. Something like that.
Jack: I don't remember.
Cristina: Okay, well, it was something very similar. To that, like, he was like something caver. And I was saying caver.
Jack: And that's stuck in your. Wait, you just remembered this since.
Cristina: Yes. It haunted you.
Jack: It's haunted you.
Cristina: Because. I don't know, it was so obvious. He's in cave. The word is cave. But I'm saying cave.
Jack: But here's the thing that has happened to me, maybe not on the show, but that has happened to me before, where, like, the word should be totally logical. Like the super simple. And I'm like, not getting it. And then somebody else points out. I'm like, holy s***. Duh. But before it's pointed out, I have no clue.
Cristina: You have no clue?
Jack: No clue.
Cristina: But you can't think of a word, that word.
Jack: A word.
Cristina: The last time.
Jack: Let me see. I don't know off the top of my head.
Cristina: Oh. And nothing. None of it stands out. You just. Forgotten them.
Jack: Yeah. I never gave a crap.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: I mean, what the h*** can I do about it if I don't know? What the h***.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Yeah. Ignorance is forgivable. Intention is punishable.
Cristina: Peanuts Man.
Jack: Yeah. The Peanuts Man.
Cristina: The Peanuts man. Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Dots.in Fox, art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.
