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Rambling 296: Godzilla: The True Story Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised. Jack: Going live in 5, 4. Cristina: What does live mean? Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack. Cristina: And I'm your host, Cristina. Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today, I thought it would be really cool if we looked at something that happened recently and unpacked how the world has reacted in response to these things that have occurred to Godzilla. Godzilla. I mean, I guess I wonder how people would react to Godzilla. I know there would be people who would be like, wow, it was based on truth. Instantly, a bunch of conspiracy theorists are gonna say, we were right all along. And the elites always put the truth in front of you because they have to tell you for whatever deal they made with something. Cristina: If it's part of conspiracy, then did they. Did the government, the world government, or whatever make Godzilla interesting? Jack: Or Godzilla could be a demon, a deity of some sort. God. God is in the name. Somebody's gonna put that connection together. Cristina: He's a God that was hidden, but someone knew about him. So did the government hide him until he broke loose or until the government was like, you know, the world government was like, okay, these people are out of control. We gotta let this guy loose. Jack: You think? Okay, okay, let's go back. You think the government made Godzilla? Cristina: No, I'm not saying they made him, but if they kept him a secret, then they probably have him locked up. Jack: Yes. Yes. Okay, fair enough. Fair enough. So the premise here is ultimately right. We're gonna fix this. This is gonna make a lot of sense. The premise here is two things. Regardless of how Godzilla is real and two, actually, three concepts that need to work here. Godzilla is real. And we're gonna prove this somehow. Cristina: Sure. Jack: And two, the government somehow knew. Somehow, somehow. Cristina: Whether they kept it or they just knew where he was or something. Jack: And three, that's because we only know about Godzilla to begin with. Because the government always has to tell us whatever they're doing, even if in secrecy. So they have to put it in front of us somehow. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Because the elites have to show us they made a deal with something. As we know is whatever theory. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And they have to show you. They got to tell you what they're doing, so they'll do it in cryptic ways so you don't know, but you know, or whatever. Cristina: I don't get it. I think it's so you can be used to it, so that when it happens, you're not as scared. Except the point of showing it is to scare you. Like, I don't. I don't know. So, like, they show it to you so that you. When it does happen, you're not too freaked out about it. Because they don't want you to kill yourself. Because at the end of the day, they still need you alive. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: For whatever their evil plan is. They just need you to know that it was possible. And then when it's possible when it's there, then. Jack: But I don't know why they would want you to know about Godzilla. Cristina: Why would they? They want us to know about everything. Aliens? Jack: Yeah. That's why. I think it's not that they're trying to descend. I think those people are wrong. If. If our three things are to be true, then they don't want us to know about Godzilla because they're unleashing Godzilla to kill us. Cristina: No. Jack: To do what? Why? Why would. Okay, let's. Let's work on one of these problems at a time. Cristina: Okay? Jack: Why are they. Cristina: Who. Jack: Somehow the theory that you're going with is they're trapping Godzilla. Godzilla? Maybe they could have made Godzilla, but Godzilla could have existed beforehand. Cristina: Yes. Jack: So it could happen either way. Maybe it was an accident. It could be that the story they told us about Godzilla was accurate. Cristina: It's just a natural thing that happened out from radiation hitting a lizard or something. From their bombs. Jack: Is that the initial story? Cristina: Something like that. Like they. We bombed Japan and then Godzilla was made. No. Jack: Okay, okay, okay, hold on. Let's. Let's f******. Without looking it up first, let's. Let's make our assumption. Okay, so you think war. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And nuclear waste. 00:05:00 Cristina: Yes. And then lizard and nuclear waste equals Godzilla. Jack: Okay, okay. I think cautionary tale. Power plant or chemical waste plant or something. Cristina: Yeah. And a lizard. Jack: Yeah. Wait, but you're saying war? Cristina: Well, it could be either or. Jack: Okay, you're just saying chemical. Cristina: Chemicals. A lizard, Godzilla. Jack: Chemicals. A lizard Godzilla. I agree. I think. I think it's a cautionary term. Cristina: Chemicals. I think it's bit a lizard and made Godzilla. Jack: Chemicals. Bit a lizard. Cristina: It's like Spider Man. Jack: Okay, fair enough. Kind of like the Ninja Turtles. Cristina: Yes. Jack: I mean, to be fair, that story. Cristina: The Ninja Turtles of whatever that story. Jack: Is about four N4 turtles that got bit by a radioactive rat, Right? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: And didn't he find them already mutated and turned into. No, they were just turtles. Cristina: Turtles. And you're saying he made them? The rat, the rat made them? Is he the villain? I don't think so. I think he found Them? No, the bad guy probably made them by accident. Doing weird experiment things. Jack: I bet. I bet it's some crap like that. Cristina: Experiments or an accident. Jack: No, I think. Yeah, it would probably have been like. And then he was trying the. His quest in life was to stop what he. The problem he created. So he spent his whole life trying to fix the issue of four mutant rats. I mean, turtles and a. I don't know. Maybe he made the rat too. They knew each other or something. Wasn't Master Splinter his master? Cristina: And he's just a dude. It's just a regular human dude against some wild animals. Jack: Any train. Cristina: And he's bad. Jack: Well, I don't know. I think I could be wrong. I don't know why. This is the memory, and I'm not gonna look it up. We're never gonna find out, okay? Because I've never seen the Ninja Turtles. I've read so little about the Ninja Turtles. I think, like, I literally don't even know how they became. Cristina: Like. Jack: I'm assuming it's waste if my memory says waste to some degree. Right? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: I think the rat knew martial arts because the guy taught it. But as you have brought up the question, did this guy teach a normal rat martial arts and that rat then went off into the world and became a mutant freak? Or did this guy make or find a mutant rat? Cristina: I can't believe he actually. No, I don't think he has to do anything with them. That can't be part of the story. It doesn't make sense. Jack: Then how the h*** did. He's a good guy. It doesn't matter what the h*** we're looking at. This guy is probably trying to just stop these weird animal freaks. Does he have targets? Does he harm people? Cristina: I think he's a criminal. Jack: Oh, he's a criminal. Cristina: I'm pretty sure he's doing crime. Jack: Are they superheroes? Cristina: I think so. Because I feel like the girl that's involved is also, like, a journalist or something. Jack: Holy s***. Are they Spider Man? Cristina: Yes. They're just like Superman. Jack: Are they super strong? Don't they have to, like, know martial arts? They gotta combat these guys one to one. They're not like one shotting everybody. Cristina: But they're. It's hard to hurt them. They're turtles, I guess. They have the highest defense. They might not be the fastest or strongest, but they're defense man. Jack: In a world where other creatures also mutated in a similar fashion. If we said they all approximated to about the same size, why would that happen? I don't Know even why the turtles began with. Okay, the least defensive thing Would probably be a standing turtle. Cristina: Well, maybe they can do stuff with their shells. I don't know. Jack: How could they see you if the only way for that defense to be high up, and you'd still have six points that you can be poked or stabbed or killed through? Yeah, you're just upping your defense. It's not perfect. Cristina: You think it. They're less defensive, though? Jack: I don't think they're less offensive. I think they're just lame. Cristina: They are pretty lame. Yeah. Jack: Yeah, yeah. In fact, we would have to increase the size of these turtles to make everybody the size of the biggest already existing. So the elephant is the only creature that wouldn't increase in size. All the other creatures would. 00:10:00 Jack: Except giraffe. We'll see the elephant, the giraffe. That's where we cap off. They don't change. Everything below them must increase in size to be at least the height of the elephant. If the turtles went up. Cristina: Yes, because they're like godzilla, who was a little lizard. Because it was smaller than them. Probably. Jack: Yes. But their soft spot is going to be larger. Yes. Cristina: Their soft spot. Jack: Yeah. The flat, the six points where the head goes in, where the two front and back legs going, and where the tail goes in, which is actually not different holes. Usually you have two large slits which are where their arms, the top arm, the top legs, and their head are. And then where their tail and back and hind legs are. Those are the two exits. So those two soft spots, as the turtle gets larger Would then be more vulnerable and be a larger target for the opponents. And if they're hiding, to remove their head, arms, and legs. Cristina: I don't know why they pick turtles. I don't know. It makes no sense. Jack: Yeah. They couldn't see you. Cristina: I thought they picked something cooler. Jack: They couldn't see you. Cristina: Turtles was cool. And then they gave them the attitude of spider man. I'm imagining that they came out around the same time on spider man because they have that boyish attitude that spider man has. But there's what, four or five of them? Jack: Say that again. Cristina: That they have the same attitude that spider man has. Jack: Yeah, they're broad out and, like making jokes. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Except the angry red one. Cristina: Huh? Jack: He doesn't make jokes. Right. He's serious. Cristina: I don't know. There's an angry ninja turtle. Jack: I thought there was an angry red one. Cristina: I don't. I don't know. Jack: I know. Hold on. Let me see. Cristina: I don't even know if there's four or five of them. I don't even know the number of turtles. Jack: I think there's four turtles and a girl turtle. Four dude turtles. Cristina: Girl turtle. Jack: There's a dudette turtle. Cristina: There's not a dudette turtle. There's a girl, but she's not a turtle. Jack: No, there's a girl. Cristina: There's not a girl turtle. Jack: I promise you there's a girl. Cristina: She must have came out way later because the original turtles are. No. Are just boy turtles. Jack: No. I mean, yeah, sure, but there's a girl turtle. No, there is a hundred percent a girl turtle. Cristina: When did they introduce a girl turtle? It makes no sense. Jack: I think pretty early. Cristina: Are you positive? Jack: I guarantee you there is a girl. Cristina: But she's not a turtle. She's a human. Jack: There's a female ninja turtle. I swear to God. No. Cristina: What does that mean? Jack: She got turtle b****. Cristina: That's exactly what I was picturing. But no, there's not ninja turtle. No. Jack: In turn, she's blue. Girl turtle. Cristina: But that's just a made up turtle. Jack: She's blue and light. She's light. Cristina: She's not one of them. They just turned one of their turtles into a female turtle. Jack: No, they got blue. They got b****. Cristina: No, look, there's a. That's him. Jack: No, no. Cristina: Yes, there is that guy. They just changed his sex, but he still. No, there's no female ninja turtle. Jack: What is her name? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: There you go. Cristina: Ew. Jack: Yeah, there's just a chick that's lighter blue. Cristina: When did she. But she's not part of the original Ninja turtles. Jack: You probably not. I don't. Sure you could tell. I'll go with that. I have no idea. Cristina: I just know they don't look like teens anymore. I don't know what they're supposed to be. Now you see that girl? She's the girl. And she's just a human in the yellow suit. Jack: That's the reporter. Cristina: Yeah, I think something like that. Jack: There's just an extra turtle here who isn't even a chick. Cristina: I don't know what's happening. Jack: Yeah, but you get the point. Cristina: No, I don't. What was the point? That they. Jack: There's a female turtle. Cristina: The turtles. Originally there's like four turtles, now there's. Jack: Five and there's a chick. And I think it's been like that since like the second iteration. Cristina: No, he's like. Even the newest projects, you don't see the girl turtle. Jack: Oh, fair enough. Maybe they just don't like. Maybe sexism is alive. Cristina: Maybe. Jack: Okay, There are three scenarios here that are depicted in films that we can use to try to understand Godzilla right now. Cristina: Okay. Jack: One, nuclear testing. You were right. My specifics on it being a power plant was wrong. 00:15:00 Jack: But it wasn't war, it was for war. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It was just test site, probably some random a** island in the middle of nowhere, but had wildlife. Biology suggests in other films that it was a prehistoric kind of dinosaur. Cristina: I don't understand. Jack: So upon the discovery of this dinosaur that was somehow living underwater, is it. Cristina: Like that movie where they found King Kong in the center of the world? Jack: Kind of, yeah. Cristina: Like she's just sleeping in the center of the world and somehow she pops out here. Or he. She. I don't know what Godzilla is. Jack: Well, she. I think she's neither. Cristina: Okay, Well, I think she's like a. Jack: Frog could just, you know, asexually reproduce. Cristina: But Godzilla was down there. Jack: Yeah. Or just sleeping at the bottom of the ocean or something like Nessie. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And so, yeah, that's the other idea. Cristina: And there's a third one. Jack: The third one is essentially a hybrid logic where there was this maybe unknown reptile that was exposed to some chemical waste and that. So it's sort of both things. It had a unique chemistry that then allowed it to become. Cristina: I'm not sure what you tried to say. Jack: There are other lizards and other things in the same water with the same lizard that then became Godzilla. Godzilla was either amongst the species that it was the last of, or it had wandered off into a different eg area and reached the radiation. And its unique DNA had its reaction to the exposure to be turning into this large thing and nothing else did. Because the logic would be why would radiation turn this one lizard huge and not all the others, which is legit? Cristina: I don't know. Because like, if he's real, then what stops all the other things that they are showing us to be real? Jack: Legit. So assuming that Godzilla is a self contained situation, then we can write off the nuclear test site is wrong. And it's probably some kind of creature that has existed for a long time. Meaning the government found it. Cristina: Okay. Jack: They didn't make it. They saw this thing. Who knows how long it's been hidden or caught. But the government has it. We don't know when or why. We just know that they have it. Cristina: Okay, solved. Jack: They caught some sort of ancient creature. Cristina: That's what they do. Jack: Yes. Okay, now how do they know its capabilities? Cristina: They gotta experiment on it like they do. Jack: But how? Where? I guess we, no matter what, we can make a Space large enough. If we have enough funds, it doesn't matter. Cristina: Yeah, maybe it's where we say the aliens are. What's that spot? Area 52. Area? Jack: Yeah, giant location where it could fire whatever beam into nowhere. Cristina: They're experimenting on it. That's how they make their flying ships. They're not using alien technology. They're using an alien like creature. I guess. Jack: Fair enough. And its energy beam is what taught us about lasers and s***. Cristina: Yep, yep, yep. Jack: Interesting. Okay, so then now the question is, why would they release it? To do what? Cristina: To get us not to not. It's confusing because it has to do with Jesus coming back to life and the rapture. But it's like the government is against Jesus. So I don't know. I try to understand these conspiracies, but it's always something like this. Jack: Okay, well, assuming the whole Jesus thing is wrong and the rapture isn't gonna happen, grounding this in the re. In being as real as possible, what are some reasons the government might release Godzilla? Like, what's a real concern that they would be like, oh, get the people in check. I mean, maybe think about it. Think about it. We got conspiracy project 100% to fight the aliens. No, if some government. That's probably why they show us this movie specifically. Right. It's like, oh, we found this creature is one movie. But hey, he helps us from time to time. Cristina: Yeah, Godzilla sometimes not that bad. Jack: I bet they've always been working on mind control technology in order to figure it out for Godzilla. Maybe. Maybe it's not a creature they can control. So they maintain it tied and sedated because it's like, dude, this dinosaur 00:20:00 Jack: is bigger than most of our mega structures. Cristina: Yes. Like, why are they gonna. It's not to attack us. Like, they don't need a giant lizard, dude. Jack: Also, the size depiction of Godzilla tells us that maybe Godzilla has been around and we've seen it throughout time. Because think about the different scales. Sometimes it's just the right size to fight King Kong, and King Kong is so small, it had to climb to the top of the Empire State Building. Cristina: Yeah, he's not that. Jack: He's not that big. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Other times, Godzilla is so tremendously f****** large that it is the height of the Empire State Building. Cristina: So what are we. What are we saying? It's actual sizes? Then I think maybe the child, if there's children version is the size of King Kong. Jack: And really the adult is what we're holding back. That's the. When we're talking about, we let Some creature out to protect Earth. That's what we're talking about. We're talking about that really big one we're hoping the guy we can control at some point. Because we're going to need it for when the big s*** comes to. When the meteor is almost here. Shoot a beam into the sky. Cristina: Could be okay to stop the, you. Jack: Know, aliens are coming. Start attacking. Fire all you've got. Cristina: You don't think it's like a government thing? Like, they know the other. Every country has their own Godzilla thing. And they're like, okay, if someone releases their Godzilla, then you got the. You got to press the button to release our Godzilla. Kind of like the nuclear crisis, except with monsters. Jack: Then. Then America doesn't have Godzilla. Cristina: Why not? Jack: Because Godzilla's Japanese, Right? Cristina: I don't know. Because I think it comes from us doing the experiment with radiation. Them seeing what we're doing. That created the fear. Jack: But they caught the creature. It's their creature. It was over there. Cristina: So. Or maybe we're attacking them with it. Jack: I have a theory that works with a lot of the world. Godzilla is Japanese, and we have our own creature. Theirs was our fault. Cristina: Okay? Jack: Ours was our intention. Cristina: Oh, what is ours? Jack: I don't know. What creature do we talk about in any manner, shape or form that makes absolute sense as an equivalent to Godzilla? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: Was King Kong our creation? Cristina: I think so. Jack: We have a giant ape somewhere. Cristina: Somewhere does not really compare to Godzilla. Jack: But no, we went to Jurassic Park. We went to. Yes, we went. Yes, we went to Brazil and found King Kong. Right. Cristina: I don't know. Jack: We went to some random jungle out in a different country. It wasn't over here. No, we didn't capture King Kong and bring him over here. We went back to King Kong. Cristina: I know. Jack: We did capture King Kong at some point. That's how he got to the Empire State Building. Cristina: Yes, we captured him from the island he was at. Jack: Yes. But that's the story of how that went wrong. Okay, so is Jurassic Park. Yes, but I think you're right. I think we were like, we can do bigger and better, and we could do it with nothing but money. Cristina: Yeah. So we made not just one many. Jack: We got all of them. We got hella creatures bigger and badder than all your creatures. Cristina: I don't know if any of them compare to Godzilla. Yeah. If you look at the biggest dinosaur and put it next to Godzilla, is it competing? But even if it was competing in size, like, it doesn't have the ability to. Jack: Yes, Godzilla. Some other That's. Cristina: Even if Godzilla was smaller in size, does it matter if it shoots out beams? Jack: Yeah, it's like a pure energy. Like it'll cut, it'll. Cristina: It's. Jack: It's a lightsaber. Cristina: Yes. Like it doesn't matter what we have. No matter how large it is, there's no winning. Jack: I know. You know, like, I don't think it's gonna be. Man, that. That would be nuts. Cristina: You're looking up. Let me see, let me see. Jack: The largest dinosaur was about 85ft long and potentially as tall as a three story building at most. Cristina: And what is Godzilla size? Jack: Yeah. Now the question is, what was at its largest? Cristina: There's many, so. Yeah. Jack: Yeah, straight up. It varies from film to film, but the largest is 00:25:00 Jack: is 350ft. How tall is the Empire State Building? Nah, nah, nah, nah. So this creature was around tall buildings, but it wasn't the size of the Empire State Building. The Empire State Building ain't a joke. Godzilla's tallest size was 350ft. The Empire State Building is a hundred and fourteen fifty four feet. Cristina: Okay. And what was the tallest dinosaur? Jack: The tallest dinosaur was roughly half the size of Godzilla. With our estimate being that the possible for the largest dinosaur was roughly 122ft. But the largest we've seen that we believe can get to that size at its highest point was 85. So Godzilla will s*** on anything. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Anything. How big was the biggest King Kong? Cristina: I still don't think it's gonna compete. Jack: King Kong stands at approximately 104ft. Cristina: That's kind of whack. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: I don't understand. Jack: Biggest Godzilla is three and a half times bigger. Cristina: Yeah. That's ridiculous. Jack: Yeah. He would stop this. Cristina: He's huge and he's got powers. Who is. Who is fighting Japan if this was Japan's creature? Jack: I don't know. Cristina: That's why it has. It can't be. Jack: No. That's why we made so many investments. That's why we made so many. We're compensating. Cristina: I think Godzilla is our creature. And whenever we're not happy with Japan, we release it on Japan. Jack: Oh, s***. Maybe there wasn't a nuke. Maybe we were testing, ended up with this thing and sent that out. Cristina: Yes. And that's why they fear us and it. Because it. It's the same thing. It's us. We are their nightmare. We are Godzilla. Jack: Interesting point. So then the question is, when was the first Godzilla movie and when do we drop the bomb? Cristina: Oh, I bet that the bomb came first. I'm betting I'm betting. Jack: You think the. The bombs hit first? Cristina: Yes. If not, then at least when we started testing had to come first. Jack: Okay. Okay. We found something strange here. The first Godzilla movie. Go, Jira. Literally, the name, how you're supposed to say it, it's like in quotation marks here. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Came out on November 3, 1954. Cristina: What are you saying? Like, it happened a day later or something. Jack: Hiroshima. Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Jack: Was dropped on August 6, 1945. That was 10 years before the 11 years earlier. No, nine years back. That's nine years back. So the bombs got dropped first? Cristina: Yes. And then shortly after they make a movie. Jack: Shortly after they make a movie. Cristina: Yeah, yeah. Jack: And the area was supposed to be radiated for really exaggeratedly long time. That's wrong, though. So now it's common knowledge that, no, it's gonna be livable eventually. Cristina: So you're questioning if it was actually what we said it was? Jack: Yeah. Was Godzilla really released into. Cristina: Yes. What? I don't know. Jack: You think that'd be crazy? Cristina: No. Jack: What if we really. What if? Cristina: Really? Jack: What happened is the United States released Godzilla as a warning. But then the question is, how far apart were these? No, they were three days apart. Cristina: What was three days apart? Jack: Hiroshima. We dropped the bomb on August 6, 1945, and just erased that in Nagasaki was August 9 where we dropped it. This was three days later. There is only one possibility. If what you're talking about is the case, we have more than one. And that's why there are different sizes. The fat quote, Fat man bomb was the big one. Because the first one we let go was called the Little Boy. And the little boy could just be the small 00:30:00 Jack: Godzilla. Cristina: Yeah. And because these maybe are scientific experiments, like, maybe once they do their damage, they die. Like, maybe not leave them. They don't actually live, though. Jack: Oh, like they're gonna be. Like, they're gonna die quickly. Cristina: Yeah, they die quickly. Because they're not really. They're. They're radiated. They're. They're. They're animals, but they're not. Like, why would a radiated animal and all these stories, they stay alive and healthy and everything. Like, that's not true. They die immediately. Wouldn't they? Jack: All the other creatures. Cristina: Any creature. Jack: You mean the Godzilla? Cristina: Yes, the Godzilla. Like, any radiator. Jack: How did we get it to that size if it's gonna die quickly? It would have died long before it. Cristina: Reached that size because we hadn't had it woken up. Maybe. Maybe. Jack: We're finding these creatures, right? We're trapped. We're capturing them. Or we're making them. Did we make Godzilla? No, because we found them. We found them. This is a fact. We found these creatures. Cristina: Yes, but maybe we found their eggs and then we still have. Jack: They still have to grow naturally. Right. Because it's. We've established some creatures, a dinosaur. Cristina: Okay. Maybe they just diabetely out of their environment, Their natural environment. Jack: But they'll be right next to the water. Isn't it from the water that we're getting them? Cristina: No. From somewhere super duper radiated. Jack: No, because they're just. Unless we found somewhere naturally radiated on the planet. Cristina: Yeah, maybe because it's an ancient creature that happens to go into a radiated area that creates the Godzilla. Jack: So the argument is there's a lizard that hangs out in a raid. There's a spot naturally on earth that's always radiated. Cristina: Yes. Or that we turned it into radiated and just. Jack: No, these are dinosaurs. Cristina: These are dinosaurs. Jack: These are dinosaurs. We've established that. That the government had nothing to do with it. Cristina: No. Yes. Jack: So we must be finding these. Cristina: Yes. Jack: There must be somewhere on earth that's naturally radiated. Cristina: Okay, yeah, maybe. Jack: Or are we just finding dinosaurs? There's some kind of unique nessie like creature, basically. Right. But why can it shoot a beam from its mouth? We gotta justify that. That's the radiation we had justified size. I guess more ancient dinosaurs than the dinosaurs were used. So that's really what's happening. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And because of that it was de down. And because of that, like it hibernates deeper down in the planet. Cristina: But we can hear it through Russia because they have that giant hole in the ground that makes really spooky sounds. Maybe it's just the dinosaurs. Jack: Maybe they don't sleep underground. Cristina: What? Jack: Maybe they sleep and live underground. And this is one of many. And they're always down there. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And what we hear through the hole. Cristina: Is that they're just. They live down there and it's radiated. Jack: And then we find. No, they don't even have to be radiated. The size, it just works different down there. Cristina: Okay. It's not radiation. Jack: Yeah. But they. They live around lava and immense pressure. Cristina: So maybe where does the beams come from? Jack: I don't know. I don't know. Maybe it's kind of like they're doing something through the. They learn, they evolve naturally. Being able to do a combination of something with air the way that that crab underwater does that make a small explosion. Cristina: Seriously, it's just. It's. There's some scientific reason. Jack: Scientific reason why it can shoot out lasers. Yeah. If we think about like a way to first create an air funnel. Maybe you have some sort of internal system that works like gills but for oxygen. So that you can open and suck in air from one side as you're simultaneously pumping the air out through a more narrow air. Cristina: So radiation has nothing to do with it? No, that's just the story Japan believes because of what we said we were doing. Yes, they put the scientific experiment to it. That's part of the story because that's the story they were told. But we're just lying. Jack: Or you're right and it is radiation. But then it happened by accident. Yes, and. But no, it wouldn't make sense. How did this creature so immediately after. Cristina: They'Re attacking die? Jack: I mean there's a ten year period. Well, we'll say the nine year period. We'll say a movie started being made a year after the events at earliest and the movie got put out a year later. So two year gap. So two years before it would have had to happen. So there would have been only seven years for that lizard to go from as small as it was to as big as it was. It wouldn't happen. The only way would be if this thing was growing for infinities. Cristina: Yes, it already has to be that big. Jack: It already had to be that big for many, many, many, many year. Hundreds of years maybe. Cristina: So they found it. They found it 00:35:00 Cristina: and then it died. Jack: Yeah. So it's from the center of the earth. It comes out here and whatever trick it could do. But again. Okay, wait, we're trying to figure out this trick. Right? So it has some gill like system. It should in theory be able to open some thing to pull in air and have a different where it's shooting the fire from. Should have some kind of like narrower airway so that if you're pulling in twice the amount of air then you have some sort of a pump and you could shoot out the air continuously. Then that's solid. You could. Cristina: You somehow makes lasers. The air turns and say lasers. Jack: Well, the laser wouldn't exactly be a laser. Maybe that's just a weird depiction and it's not like a lightsaber. Maybe it's more like fire. Cristina: Okay. Like a dragon. Jack: Like a dragon. And so it's breathing this in and kind of like a venomous snake that can spit out this kind of thing onto you or something like that. Maybe. Cristina: Why wasn't Godzilla just a story about a dragon? Because we have so many dragon stories. Why wasn't this just a different dragon story? Jack: Maybe the Japanese don't Have fire breathing dragons? Maybe we have fire breathing dragons. Maybe that's a western thing. Cristina: Japan, I mean, China didn't have dragon that breath fire. Jack: I don't know. I have no idea. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Why you think it was What? Cristina: I don't know. Because like, wouldn't they just say it's a dragon that's attacking us and not some scientific experiment attacking us? Jack: Well, they think it happened after the bombs. Here would be the theory. Right. Grounding this a little farther. We dropped the bombs. Cristina: I thought they were the bombs that we dropped. Jack: Well, this is me adjusting. Okay, we dropped the bombs. No, they have to be the bombs. Yeah, but assuming I'm wrong, we dropped the bombs and the bomb woke the thing up. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It's the only time we've ever dropped these bombs. Ever. It's the only time nukes have been used on these areas that aren't just abandoned islands in the middle of nowhere, deserts that are uninhabited. We're dropping it where there's people and foliage. Cristina: I woke this ancient dinosaur up, and. Jack: It woke this ancient dinosaur up. Cristina: Okay. Jack: That could be why they, like, the bombs dropped. Then the thing happened. So that the. The whole story about the bombs. I bet Godzilla did not attack either one of those two places. What place in Japan did Godzilla attack? Tokyo. Cristina: Tokyo. Okay, that's random. Jack: I guess because it was like a real super mega area. We were just attacking normal civilian areas that had a base, I guess for control, it was military related, trying to calm them down or whatever the h*** we were trying to do. Tokyo? Yeah. So that takes place in Tokyo. So that's a possibility. One of two scenarios explains the attack of Godzilla on Tokyo. Either we dropped two bombs and woke something up. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Or these bombs were the lizards and they wandered off. Cristina: That could also be it. That means. Yeah, I don't know. Because like if we did wake up a lizard up, there was just one lizard. Jack: Maybe not. Maybe there was a bunch of lizards. Or maybe we knocked something down underground that allowed one of these already existing creatures from underneath. But we can go back to the original concept that they. That we, the United States, found a way to go down there and get these creatures that have always been down there. Because we do hear something when we hear down. No matter what, these creatures are underground. How we acquired them is now the question. We found out where they are. Cristina: They're underground. Jack: They're underground. Did they originally pop up in Japan? Or did we go get them probably through that hole in Russia, and then keep them? But how do we transport the biggest one? Cristina: Yes. Jack: Problem. We should have a base where we're finding them. Cristina: Alaska. Jack: Alaska is probably a really good place. There's a bunch of rural places out here. 51. 100. Yeah. Cristina: Area 51. Jack: Yeah. Just holes that go deep. And we just have access to pulling these things up and keeping them around the hole so we can throw them right back down if we don't need it. How are we going to dispose of this s***? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: You know, because we tried. Maybe we tried to dispose of some that went wrong. And that's why we have stories of some coming out of the water. Cristina: Okay. You know, 00:40:00 Cristina: and then still, like, any alien story could be pointed to this creature because it could be more than one creature that's down there. Like, they don't all have to look the same. Jack: Yeah. What are they eating if they all look the same? Cristina: Yeah. So, like, if they're like. If they're dinosaur like, I guess, which is very lizard like, so very alien like. Jack: Yeah. And it's definitely. There's lava if they go deep enough. But I don't think they're so deep. I think they're just deep enough that they don't normally get to us or ever. And water must be down there, too. They're ocean levels. Deep, deeper. Slightly deeper. They're slightly deeper. They're in the gaps of air underneath the ocean. And then we found ways. And we tell people, the normal civilians don't have access to the technology that can take us so deep to withstand that level of pressure. But the government's never going to tell us that it does. And it can easily get down there and it can access these creatures and get to them. Cristina: And then what? Just attack countries with them? Jack: But then this. Yeah. Like you said, one country has King Kong, one country has Godzilla. One country has this thing. One country has that thing. One country found it, used it. Other countries found out about it and figured out how to get more. So chances are we have maybe different countries have different size Godzillas. I got a really old Godzilla that's the size of this. Cristina: Okay. All those different ideas. Jack: I got a really huge moth. Cristina: Huge moth is Russian thing that they attack us with. Jack: Yeah. You know, anybody can have anything and they could be getting it from the same place. You just gotta have the technology to go get it and the ability to. Cristina: Restrain it, which I don't know if anyone does have that, though. I don't know. Jack: Then how do we stop the ones that were. We. We. Cristina: I think you can still kill them. I think killing them isn't like a hard thing to do. It's just like hiding the body and then making up stories to what actually happened. Jack: So you have to be able to control it. You can't just kill it. You got to kill it in the water. Cristina: Yeah. You have to kill it in a way that hide. Like, you gotta. You still have to, like. Jack: Fair enough. So then perhaps still like every alien. Cristina: Story where the government came by, asked a bunch of questions, told a lie about what actually happened, and like, I have a theory. Yeah. What? Jack: Maybe it was one. Cristina: Was one what? Jack: The first one caused small destruction as compared to the second one, the one that caused great destruction. They were both powerful. But what if the first one was Godzilla doing it? Little boy was Godzilla. Cristina: And the second one was to kill Godzilla. Jack: Was the. Kill Godzilla. The bomb. Cristina: Okay. Jack: What Godzilla was doing. We're testing it. We're seeing if Godzilla works. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And then it kept wandering, and we're like, how do we control it? Okay, here we go. Well, it worked. Gone. No proof. Cristina: Mmm. Jack: Two part system. It'll keep destroying more than a nuke can if you just let it keep going. Yes, they tested that on the first one. It'll do. Nuke levels of destruction. And until we decide to stop it, it'll keep going. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Can we stop it? Well, let's find out. Here we go. Boom. Cristina: Okay. Yeah. They have to get rid of it. Jack: They have to get rid of it. Maybe the government has the ability to drop things like this at random. Cristina: Crazy. And it's all the governments. Jack: Then many, many, many governments have the ability to drop some colossal creature onto other governments, onto other countries. Cristina: Yeah, to just attack. Jack: Or maybe not. Maybe it's just a few. Depends who has stories of disability. We're the only people who are like, oh, no, we can't. We control it. It's our thing. We call on that show, we want it. Of course we use it. In the middle of the ocean, nowhere, where nobody knows where the h*** people are. Like, oh, how did the Americans shoot down that boat all the way over there? And it's like, we don't need to. Cristina: Know, but we're still. We're still lying about what it's happening. Jack: Yeah, I bet. If we can't control it. No, man, that's a question, right? How do we. We don't have mind control. We're still trying to figure it out. Yeah, if we could control something that big, we'd be controlling humans long since. Cristina: But there's no way we can. Jack: There's no way we can. So we're not using it casually. That has to be Wrong. We're definitely lying about what happened. But I'm pretty sure we dropped a thing that caused nuke sized damage. Cristina: And then we used the nuke. Jack: And we used the 00:45:00 Jack: nuke to see if that could stop it. Now there's no proof that it ever existed. It's gone. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Evaporated the bones into nothing. Cristina: That could be it. Huh? Jack: Simple. Although I think bones would survive a nuke. They would just be crispy. I have no idea. Maybe if you're close enough, you get disintegrated into powder. Cristina: But like, even if you find the bones, am I still dinosaur bones? I don't know. Jack: Yeah, and that's why the wood. That's my point. Like, it would have to be at a point that it gets incinerated, Right? That's the only way that you have zero. Cristina: Zero proof. Jack: Zero proof. Okay. No, the bones would totally disappear. Cristina: So. Jack: Interesting. If this says the bones of a person would disappear, then the question is to go directly and do the size. How big would a bone have to. Cristina: Be to not disappear? Jack: To not disappear. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Okay. All right. So let's do some breakdowns here. Humans would get eviscerated into nothingness and cease to exist. See, even their bones, which are our thickest, densest part, Godzilla's bones. To scale appropriately to its size, maintain its weight, and be logical according to how gravity and whatnot works, it would be about 20 times thicker than a human bones. Cristina: It's pretty thick. Jack: Yes. Even then, at ground zero, it would be so obliterated into nothingness, vaporize into beyond dust, that there would be no evidence it ever existed. Well, a nuke would erase the existence of such a creature at ground zero impact, you make it the target. Boom. Gone. There's no evidence it ever existed. Cristina: So we could have released Godzilla onto Japan and then murdered the Godzilla that we made? Jack: Yes. We didn't make Godzilla. Cristina: Oh yeah, we freed Godzilla, released Godzilla out to Japan, then killed it. Then they made a movie about it. Jack: Yes. Yes. The argument would be that we dropped a Godzilla on Hiroshima on August 9, 1945. And three days later, in Nagasaki in August 9 on 1945, we dropped a nuke to get rid of it, testing our entire scenario. And it worked. And nobody has f***** with us since? Cristina: I guess so. Except everyone keeps making bombs. Jack: Yes. Because they know how to stop it. Cristina: Yes, I guess so. Because they saw that we were able to stop it. Jack: Interesting. Fascinating. Cristina: So all of those bombs are not Nobody's using? Jack: Nope, nobody's Just a single one. Cristina: And also, it's just too Many. Why would you need that? More than one. They're probably country. Jack: Yeah. These are probably controlled nukes to create small blast areas with the same intense energy in the small area. So if you have a lot, you're not causing widespread destruction. Nobody has shot a nuke at anybody anymore. We're waiting. Cristina: For what? For these monsters pop up. Jack: Yes. And we're efficientizing them. We're always making it more efficient. Knowing somebody might have one of these. Cristina: Things, someone might release one. That's the real danger. Jack: Interesting. Cristina: Whoa. That's so crazy. Because we have the most nukes, but we're the one with the obvious amount of creatures. Most likely, too. Jack: Well, we're not. Cristina: I think we are. Jack: We have so many. Oh, so we're just like you guys. Couldn't release one on us for any reason. We'll drop a nuke instantly. Cristina: I think we also are protecting ourselves from our own monsters. Jack: Our monsters. Their release of their monsters on us. Well, now, here's something interesting. We would be screwed in an attack. Because we're thinking a couple of episodes ago, we're doing where would we get attacked through, right? And like, if. What would we do in a scenario like that? We didn't consider something like this. But if something like this were to happen, the most likely location to drop it off would be in the ocean and let it come to us. So they don't have to put themselves in danger. So they would just get close, but they wouldn't hover over our airspace. We drop it in the ocean near us, and it would find land in our direction. Coasts would be f***** up. The coasts are the way in for whatever creatures dropped in the water near us and for land. Cristina: But why are we dropping creatures in the water? Jack: War. What if we're invading the United States? Cristina: We, The United States? Jack: No, like, people. Humans. Oh, humans are invading the United 00:50:00 Jack: States. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: So Russia is like, yeah, let's attack. What if that's what's happening near Alaska right now? And they're hanging out by the water. Cristina: So that we could throw our monster in the water? I don't know. Jack: They've got their monster. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: There's ships and planes. They're surveying our area consistently. They've probably got their creature underwater in some giant cage, and it's probably imprisoned, tied up in some way, and they're just planning and testing to release it. And they could just release it and leave. They don't have to do anything. One day they just leave. A couple of hours later. A couple of days later, something starts attacking Alaska. Cristina: Okay. Jack: I don't know how Canada is going to protect itself, but I guess Canada would be screwed here too. Cristina: They got their own monsters, Hopefully. Jack: They got their own monsters. Hopefully. Unless the point is that Canada doesn't have a way to defend itself. And the only way would be for us to start nuking Canada to kill the creature. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: Which would create an interesting problem. Would we do it? Cristina: I guess that's why we got so much nukes. Jack: I think maybe that's also why our least defended area is the only access point. Because the least amount of people are around the Alaskan area. It's a transport point, but there are the least amount of people in Alaska. If we had to drop a nuke, it would be an easier decision than if it came up through New York City. Cristina: Okay, you get my point? Yeah. Jack: So we make that the easiest attack point, and that's the only likely placer probably to go. Because then we would just start bombing them or dropping our own creatures on them. So then they have to release it over there so that by the time it gets to the water, I mean, it gets to land, starts destroying things locally, we have enough time to react and attack it before it leaves Alaska. And we never have to catch Canada with our nukes. Maybe that's strategic. Cristina: Weird. Jack: But yes, would make sense and would keep the rest of the United States safe. Over. Militarize. All of it. Agree with Canada. We're going to keep that land mass up there and we're going to make it the least defended. You defend your borders like a. But we can nuke that. If they ever drop a creature. Cristina: Do we have creatures on every border then? Jack: Like, we don't. We don't know. We just know they might be dropping a creature on us and that's why they're hovering over there. Cristina: But they are not in Mexico just getting ready to attack us. Jack: Interesting. You think? I mean, that would make sense. Then that would actually explain the wall a little better. Cristina: Yeah, maybe. Jack: Maybe the wall's point was to stop these creatures. Because the creature might not just be destroying for no reason. It's gonna avoid crap. Cristina: Mm. Jack: It's a creature. If you're not controlling it, that's just doing random s***. You build the wall, it might not even try to go over. It might turn away and go somewhere else. Cristina: Interesting. You know, just then, if we're thinking about that, like, maybe all the walls, but then, like, China has walls. Jack: China has walls. They've been doing it since whatever century. Cristina: We know them because the dragons. So like who had the dragons that was attacking China that they decided, let's build some walls, dude. Jack: Even this really ancient place we were researching, the Indian place, Dwarf or whatever from 9,000 BC, had giant double layered walls surrounding them in the water too. Cristina: And it wasn't even just the land that they were protecting. Even the waterside, man. Jack: You know what's crazy, dude? We've also seen many people were f****** with Camaras. The text said so much about chimeras. Cristina: I don't know because I thought these were natural creatures. But then if you start talking about chimeras. That's not natural. Jack: That's not natural. Unless it's creatures we're seeing now are the creatures from back then that they were f****** with. And that's why it would have these abilities. It would be a creature that is some over like leftover relic, ancient scientific experiment. It's not us like our experiment. It had to get to think about the two problems we were trying to solve earlier. How does it have these abilities? Well, we had to make it. How is it its size? No, I had to age to that point. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Solution. It was made and it aged to that point. What does that tell us? It had to be made long ago. Cristina: Okay, One of these ancient civilizations. Jack: And maybe there's a bunch of. Maybe they're everywhere. Some civilizations go underground. Some civilizations can move things to other planets. Maybe us in current day looking at the moon, saw some s*** we shouldn't have because we know there's theories about the other side of the moon, the dark side of 00:55:00 Jack: the moon, which isn't dark because it gets light, but we don't see it. And like, maybe there's something out there. Maybe that's the reason China wanted the return to that side of the moon. Maybe what we saw was like, oh, crap, we don't want to wake that thing up. Or we saw civilization that was like, you guys don't talk about seeing space because they got their creature, whatever the crap might be. Maybe there's creatures like that everywhere, everywhere. And we're just finding them. Some civilizations went extinct. Cristina: So all these fairy tale like creatures that are monsters are not really monsters at all. But then would we put like you said, the Loch Ness monster, And then there's vampires, werewolves, all those other creatures. The Ninja Turtles. No, whatever. Chupacabra. They're like all just ancient experiments. Jack: No, not all ancient experiments, but they're all scientifically explainable. Just like adrenochrome could be scientifically explained to some degree. We don't know what causes all these different things. But I think. I think none of it is magic. And I think we do have maybe current day proof of weird s***. Things we have seen that more than one individual has seen. And there's some kind of proof, whether it be current day photos and things that aren't considered fiction. Nessie's a weird one. Some ancient other kind of creature that. No, it has to be from the past. Everybody assumes has to be. Scientists are like whatever creatures is. Resembles this thing from way long ago. Except it would have had to be even longer ago. Then Dwarka and then the Elysians. It had to be from like Elio's time. Cristina: Okay, Elio. Was he around dinosaurs? Jack: Am I saying that wrong? What the h*** was his name? Loi. Cristina: Loi. Jack: Loi. It could have been from like Loi's time, but still, that's. No, it had to be from millions of years ago. That's a problem. So it would have still even outdated. Loi. No, if 3 million years ago isn't. It still has to be like 150 million years ago. 3 million isn't that long ago compared to a creature that Nessie looks like. So maybe there's crap so long ago has nothing to do with any of those people. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Technology so ancient, that's crazy. Cristina: If it's still technology evolved, I guess. Jack: It would have continued to evolve, you. Cristina: Know, But I don't know. I don't know. Jack: It could have. So somehow. Somehow science was involved in the making of this thing. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Because still. How are you f****** doing it, then? Cristina: Again. Jack: Again, physiologically. I tried to explain it physiologically. Those creatures to shoot things. We know crabs can make explosions into grounds. Really specific ones. Or. I think it's a shrimp or something. And so that's. Some creatures have superpower. Like things spit acid out or whatever. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And. Or some, you know, throw smoke out or whatever ink out. If you can do some kind of air pressure thing where you suck in twice the amount that you push out, then you can push out through a smaller airway, creating more of a pressure. Because more air through a smaller airway goes faster. You get some range. And if you can have some kind of ignition and put into that air that's moving through some kind of flammable air you throw in, there's gas, some flammable gas you throw into the air that you're pushing out, then you can create some kind of flamethrower like thing. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And if it shoots out with enough pressure, the closer to your mouth it is, the more like A laser beam it would be. And the further away, the more like regular, you know, it's less pressure. Farther off, it's more like fire far. So maybe you can get a nice stream that looks like a beam. If your size is big enough from our eyes. If you shot a fire beam and it was the length of like 30 buildings at the peak of your mouth, it's gonna look like a straight out beam, not like a fire blast. Right. Because you're shooting. Because it's closer to whatever spot you're shooting it from. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It's gonna be closer to the shape of the airway you're pushing the air through. Took it look like a beam. There could be explanations all this weird. So what's our landed conclusion? That there's creatures at the center of the earth that have aged for who knows how long. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Countries have found them, some countries have captured them. And likely evidence of this is that Hiroshima had something called the little boy dropped off that we think is a nuke. But it might have been Godzilla and it created nuclear sized destruction. And that three days later after it strolled off, we threw an actual nuke called Fat man to evaporate Godzilla and see if that could work. And it did. And ever since there has been prepared. Everybody's been preparing, Everybody's been making bombs, everybody's been 01:00:00 Jack: making nukes everywhere. All at the same time, just in case, just for the day. Cristina: That makes sense. Jack: And when people are cryptic instead of just saying nukes. So just saying I'll bomb you. When somebody like the North Korean leader is like, I got a present for you. And he says that to Trump, what he's talking about is, you know, you saw the creature. I show you my creature. I got that for you. Cristina: That's weird. Jack: And leaders know, but people don't. Cristina: Leaders are showing each other their creature. Interesting. Because they don't have to show anyone. But they could. Jack: They could, they could, they could. And people aren't gonna talk. Cristina: Yeah. Weird. Okay. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Trump knows about him. Jack: Maybe a bunch. No, Trump would immediately talk. I think Trump wouldn't be able to hold it. I think he would just tell the world in excitement. Cristina: So you don't think he was told yet? Jack: I don't know. Maybe he was. Maybe what we see and what he is are two different things. Who knows? Anyways, we have solved the possibility. So what's the consensus? Is Godzilla real? I, I only if the government has to show us everything because they're doing some cahoots. Cristina: That's the whole point. Yes. The government is just Showing us things that are real. Jack: Yeah. So if that's the case, then Godzilla is real. Yes, because they have to show us everything. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And then that would explain the proof behind Godzilla being real. Cristina: Because the government showed it to us. Jack: The government showed it to us because. Cristina: Obviously they run Hollywood. Jack: Yes. And history shows that, yes, there was definitely some bombs dropped and people saw a lizard in Tokyo. You know, so we got bombs, we got movies, we got evidence everywhere that something happened that they're not telling us. Cristina: But they are telling us just through movies. Okay. Yep. Jack: And the correct story is In August 6, 1945, Godzilla was released on Hiroshima. Godzilla wandered the island past Tokyo and got to Nagasaki, where he was finally nuked. Cristina: Yes. That is the story. The unofficial true story. Jack: That is the unofficial true story of Godzilla. Okay. I'm glad you guys made it with us through this to discover what really happened here. This was important. Cristina: It was. Jack: We've established details that matter to the people of Earth, and now we know true military capabilities of a lot of countries. It's way worse than a nuke. You wouldn't think so, but if you don't have to keep firing and you can just release a thing that could only be killed if you nuke your own people. Cristina: Yeah, that's pretty crazy. Jack: Yeah, that goes hard. Cristina: That goes hard. Jack: It's just gonna keep destroying until you nuke it. Guys, you got to nuke your own people. Enjoy. Explain that to your civilians later. Cristina: Yep. It's. It's. It's what's happening. Jack: It's what's happening. Cristina: It happened. Jack: Fire. That's crazy. That's such a solid military tactic. I guess that's why bioweapons are really overpowered. You want people to have to attack their own people. That's winning a war. Cristina: That is insane. Jack: That's. Yeah, you won. If you gotta start attacking your own people, whoever did that to you, they won. That's fire. They don't have to worry about themselves anymore. You're too distracted dealing with you crazy. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Bioweapons. Resident Evil had the right idea. Cristina: Again, bioweapons. Jack: The way to go. Anyways, if you guys think that we missed something important here that should have happened as a natural development of Godzilla or some other proof that maybe exists. Cristina: In the world 100% right that we're right. Jack: If you can help us justify this, let us know. Reach out to us. You could do that on our socials, at just convo pod, on Tik Tok, Instagram, on X, and on Facebook, wherever. Just type our name. Cristina: You'll find everywhere. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Remember to subscribe. Right. And review the show. Jack: Yes. And word of mouth is really overpowered. Tell everybody about the program and the fact that we have absolutely given. Given you nothing but solid fact and proof that Godzilla was real and a timeline that you could throw in people's faces and show them, look, this is proof. And when they're like, you're using a weird kind of confirmation bias, looking for evidence to prove your argument instead of disprove it, you tell them what is proof of your beliefs. And they're going to be like, good point. But you're being absurd. And you're going to say, I can back these thoughts up with science. Can you? And that argument is gonna win. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Because they're gonna 01:05:00 Jack: be like, I can't. Even if they know inherently, it might make more sense. In your total argument, you've used nothing but science. Even if applying it only where. Only where very convenient. And ignoring the areas that would make it unconvenient, you'd be the only one in the conversation with science. Cristina: Ridiculous. Okay. This has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Jack: Bye. Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. 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September 07, 2024

Rambling 288: Minotaur

September 07, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

What exactly is the Minotaur? What was its purpose? Where does it come from? The duo unpack the many myths and hidden stories of one of Greece’s most infamous creatures in a search to find any shred of relevant data that could help inform them beyond previously reached barriers in the data related to the Elysians or Clinton Road.

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Greek Mythology
Minotaur
Ancient Punishment
The Labyrinth
Survival Maze
Poseidon

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas, of which there are many. Humanity is very absurd and baffling.

Cristina: We are.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Very confusing, absurd and baffling individuals. And so to catch anybody new up, we have been recently looking at or trying to solve what the h*** is at the bottom of Cross Castle, which is essentially located in West Milford around Clinton Road. What is considered to be the most haunted place planet Earth. And there happens to be a castle that a bunker was made and everything inside of it was private for quote, official government reasons, unquote. And to keep mining goods protected. Allegedly. But everything about the situation is really weird. And has tunnels leading to towns where the exit and entrances are unknown, a secret in and out in the woods that nobody knows where it might be and the castle having been destroyed, making accessing the bunker underneath impossible from that location and only accessible through the other passageways that connect through different towns. Weird, random things going on.

Cristina: Strange. Yes.

Jack: And this place happens to be located again where the spookiest, most haunted things take place. Except that we can tell a lot of these things line up with things that we've researched and looked up in the past, including creatures from different realms and in. You know, there's a lot of science going on, ancient sciences going on and modern day science is going on and things that allow people to move to ethereal states and to cross into non physical ways and to manipulate the fabric of reality in different manner, shapes of forms or what not. Usually being necromancers or things along those natures. Although in modern day we use the word which was druids. Druids supersedes necromancers. But it's an incorrect words. Ka. Druids kind of lacks the very specific nature of a necromancer having to die to get where he's going.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And a druid doesn't need to. A druid is just some other thing. A low budget necromancer at best was.

Cristina: Just hanging out in the woods.

Jack: Yes. And so we have gone on. Sometimes we look at other areas to get informed about other areas. And sometimes we look at things that are more or less related or they have patterns that seem relative to each other in order to get informed on things that in a lot of time it works, you know, sometimes it doesn't and we just find something cool to look at.

Cristina: Yeah, that's so cool.

Jack: Yeah. But sometimes we actually connect the dots and it works. And it's. Oh, yeah, this is clearly related to that. And. And sometimes we just go monster hunting as well.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because there's weird creatures out there. And sometimes monster hunting answers questions we didn't know we had that do inform these other things. Because monsters aren't really monsters, per se. It's usually just some kind of science freak, and science is way more than modern society accepts.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But that being said, today we have something a little interesting to look at, and this is one of those times that I need you.

Cristina: Oh, boy.

Jack: To tell the audience what you're looking at, because they're not going to be able to see it. IO only podcast. So I need you to paint the picture of what you are currently looking at in front of you.

Cristina: I don't know. It's. I'm sure it has a name. I don't know what the name is. It's a mythical creature. Greek mythical creature.

Jack: Fascinating.

Cristina: All right. I'm sure it has a name. I just don't know what it is. It's like a. I keep thinking centaur, but it's not a centaur. It's some type of beast. It's got hooved legs, horns, red eyes, making you, I guess, think it's like a devil creature, whatever, you know, like, if you. But it looks.

Jack: More detail. More detail.

Cristina: I'm thinking very muscular. Yes, very muscular. Man or lion. Go thing. I don't know. That's covering its private parts because it carries and it has a belt and it's holding a stick, I think. Could be a stick. Could be some type of weapon. I don't know. Inside. I don't know what he's inside of.

Jack: Interesting, right? He's inside something for sure.

Cristina: Yeah. Could be underground. Could be. I don't know. It has a toe, I think. I think so. I don't know. It looks like a combination of different animals.

Jack: What animals would you say it looks like?

Cristina: A lion? A bull, maybe? Because the horns are like a bull.

Jack: Elaborate on the horns.

Cristina: They're long, curvy, pointy. I think he has ears, though, underneath it.

Jack: Yes, I see that, too.

Cristina: Yeah. And he has the hair. The lion mane thing happening. I think. Like, it's. But his arms are very human.

Jack: Minus the fact that he seems to have, like, sharp talons at the very end. It's just hands, right?

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. They look like regular muscular hands and torso with. I don't Know what's happening with his legs? His legs are goat legs. He's like a combo of different animals.

Jack: Okay, okay, okay. Describe his face a little.

Cristina: I don't really can't talk because it's really bad. Like he's in the shadow. So half of his face is missing. Okay. Is that his teeth? His teeth is showing. I'm not really sure what his nose looks like.

Jack: I would argue he has a bit of a gorilla looking nose.

Cristina: Yeah, a gorilla looking sort of face. I think besides the mouth that's sticking out. I don't know if the mouth, the teeth. If that's the teeth. Sharp teeth. And the ears. I'm not sure what animal the ears look like.

Jack: I would also say that's kind of goat like. Yeah, it feels very goat like to me.

Cristina: The ears are like goats. The. I don't know the. If that's goats too. The horns is either go go or fascinating. What did I say before? Bull.

Jack: Interesting, interesting.

Cristina: With the hair of like a lion.

Jack: Definitely something reminiscent, right? Something you've seen before to some degree.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay, we're gonna take a look again at a different image of this creature. More. More variation of the same creature. So you could paint a little more picture. Maybe it'll. It'll zero in on something. Anything you notice different here. These are all just based on things that have been described of this creature.

Cristina: What's the one next to it? There's the same thing. Are very similar. The first, the one to the left. The one to the left looks very similar except his legs are thinner, very thin. But everything else looks almost the same. His hair is curlier. I guess it's long and curly. Looks more like a goat, I guess. And then he's next to a creature. I'm not really sure. I guess it's supposed to be him too, but just all animal side of him. Is he some type of werewolf?

Jack: No, this is supposed to be exactly the same thing in one state. It's just the level of descriptions are so varied that we can land at these two different images.

Cristina: So he always has the red hair and the horns and those goat like red hair, red hairs, red eyes, curly hair, long hair or not curly. Maybe wavy. Wavy hair.

Jack: Fur.

Cristina: Fur. That second. What is that second animal? It's not a bull though. But it's. That's like a hairy bull.

Jack: Interesting, right? There's something going on there.

Cristina: It's a hairy ball. A giant hairy. Giant hairy bull or goat. I think there's been goats that big.

Jack: No, no. H*** no. There's no Chance there has been anything this size in all of mention, other than this one thing.

Cristina: Okay. This is. It's. It has to be a ball that's just got his. Very hairy. That's very hairy. And the creature looks like a human version of that animal, I guess.

Jack: Interesting. Okay, so the animal's name that you were trying to get to is a minotaur.

Cristina: Yes, that's a minotaur. No.

Jack: Yeah, that would be essentially the minotaur.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But we're gonna look at one more image. This is to size, scale, kind of giving you an idea of how big these things really are. Paint this picture.

Cristina: There's a. I guess in the middle is a man, or what a man is supposed to be the size of. I think there's numbers next to him.

Jack: Ignore the numbers.

Cristina: Okay. Well, it's huge. What the mentor, Whether it's a human version of the manotaur or the animal version of the manotaur, they're huge. They're like two humans standing, like if two. If a person had a person on top of them is the size of whichever of these creatures you want to talk about?

Jack: Yes. Easily nine to ten feet tall, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And what details can you tell us about these individuals as you're seeing them here? More. I got more specific each time I'm showing you an image. So now you get more detail, more details.

Cristina: I don't know because it looks a lot like the other one. I don't know if there's any real difference.

Jack: Got you. I'll start painting the picture. Then. His legs. The hooved sort of animalistic legs that this, AKA Minotaur, would have is wrapped with leather bindings and some sort of metallic plate to protect its knees. It seems that would normally be exposed. There's something that looks like a kilt or something that's around its waist, probably made from fur and leather. And then around its chest, it has a weapon harness. At the same time, the face still maintains a sort of animalistic face. I would argue here it's even closer to a goat.

Cristina: Looks like a lion.

Jack: You think it looks like a lion?

Cristina: Fair enough.

Jack: It also looks kind of like a lion. Yeah, fair enough. Very exaggeratedly muscular arms, muscular upper body. In every version of it, its upper body is extremely muscular. It definitely does have a tail. It doesn't have hair. It has fur. Oftentimes the fur seems to be focused on the head and the neck or the legs. There's very little fur focusing on the body part. It seems like in every version of this, the body seems to be unexposed. There's a very neck, a little bit of fur on the arms and much on the legs, the hooved legs usually more towards the bottom, but there's some iterations with it a little higher, you get a little fur around the waist. So in, for lack of a better word, it's a minotaur. Yes, except we're gonna have quite a couple of better words.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So the minotaur kind of a known, probably one of the more known, less discussed creatures from Greek mythology.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it coming from Greek mythology tells us a couple of details right off the bat. If you have something weird and it came from Greek mythology, there's one group of people we can just point.

Cristina: Zeus and his buddies.

Jack: Yes, Always they're doing something weird. Always. So that's a good place to start looking for what the h*** a minotaur is.

Cristina: Okay, Right.

Jack: So doing some digging, we have some basic details here. Minotaur, the word literally translates to minos bull, so man bull.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Literally what it means. The stories of the Minotaur take place roughly around 1500 BC to 1300 BC. Now, outside of our descriptions that we gave to those images, there are some localized descriptions that we can give that come from text. Specifically, body of a man, head of a bull. That's the most obvious kind of descriptor.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, between 7 and 10ft on average. Okay, let's go to its head specifically. Yeah, it's huge, monstrous sized thing. Now, aside from its bull like head, it tends to have long curved horns. These long curved horns can be seen on bulls. These long curved horns can be seen on goats. These long curved horns can be seen on plethora of different creatures. And kind of really pronounced and large. Specifically on him, presumably because of his exaggerated size, again, 7 to 10ft is kind of excessive.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the horns would presumably be some monstrously sized things.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Fascinating thing that immediately gets my attention is glowing red eyes.

Cristina: Yes. Why?

Jack: Because it hints towards a lot of things that are curious. Glowing red eyes seems to be a feature of a lot of shadow realm things. Large flaring nostrils, reminiscent of something like an ape. Of something like a bull. Snarling mouth with incredibly sharp teeth. Now this is interesting because its face is. Its mouth in particular seems to be sort of almost a combination of an ape and the lion. Midway.

Cristina: Yeah. It's the sharp teeth from the lion.

Jack: Interesting. Right. Its face protrudes a little, which is unlike an ape. But the structure of the face and the pushing of the nose has a kind of ape like Structure to it. There's an interesting set of details here. Now, on its head it has short coarse fur covering most of its face and its neck usually coming from its head, appearing oftentimes like a lion's mane.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But also goats tend to have a kind of facial wrap like that. Interesting enough. So do bison, which I would argue.

Cristina: Is what they're trying to go for in these.

Jack: Well, at least the more animalistic version of him was like a bison with horns at this point.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And just its face and head is generally very thick and muscular. A very powerful looking creature. Now details outside of these descriptions that show up in sentences as well, but more like in literal sentences, as opposed to somebody just kind of chalking off what they thought looked like when they saw it and wrote it down. The face seems primarily human with extremely pronounced animalistic bull like features. It tends to have a beard that resembles that of a goats. Very similar to what we're saying.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So this is a translation into English from something from a Greek text that is literal sentence, a paraphrase. Not literally word for word, but it is a paraphrase of what they were trying to get to, which is. Yeah, bull like features and a goat like thing going on. Let's discuss. Its torso now has very broad, powerful chest, oftentimes ginormous, kind of leading to the typical masculine V shape you want. Tiny waist, huge shoulders. And he definitely has a highly muscular. The build is quite defined because of how muscular it is. Extremely veiny, extremely like you. You lift too much, bro. You mad swole.

Cristina: Very bull like. Bulls are pretty muscular creatures.

Jack: Yeah, very stocky. Yeah, very swole. Now its torso is covered in coarse fur, but often leaving the chest and belly area is exposed. So the fur kind of focuses on the back and on the side.

Cristina: Makes me think of like a gorilla type.

Jack: Yes, it definitely has that right. Because gorillas chests seem to be more bare. Well, it depends on the gorilla too. But yeah, it seems to be more bare and whatnot. And although those images weren't too specific on this detail, oftentimes its ribcage is pronounced through its muscular build. That's how tight its muscles are and how tight its skin is. You can kind of see the formation. Not like super protruding and nasty like it's dying of hunger or something, but rather you can tell it's so tight that its rib cage tends to be shown. Okay, now here's an interesting detail. It's often depicted whether wearing a leather strap in an X fashion that is used to hold axes and other weapons as we are familiar with because it tends to have two axes.

Cristina: Okay. I wonder why.

Jack: But.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Its arms, again, thick, muscular, kind of almost exaggeratedly so. Way more than its body. Its body is exaggerated, but you gotta then exaggerate farther to get to the ridiculously absurd size of its arms. And as we noted, its hands have sharp claws instead of natural human like nails. So it's a normal human like hand, other than it's ginormous and probably like three times the size of your head. But then instead of nails, actual claws, you can just swipe at something and cut it open.

Cristina: Like a lion, I guess. I don't know if it's like a combo of different animals, maybe.

Jack: Weird, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like it's unclear what we're looking at ultimately. What the h*** are they gonna claim the minotaur really is? If these are all the descriptors.

Cristina: Yeah, weird.

Jack: It's a weird creature for sure. And so slight fur covers the upper arms and usually the. The back of the hand, never the palm. Very gorilla. Like again.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It has very defined biceps and triceps. And again, veins visibly covering its arms. Like it's really ripped and jacked.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then its legs, very strong muscular thighs and upper legs covered in coarse fur, particularly around the thighs. Hoofed feet instead of human like feet. Defined calves and thighs, Slightly bent knees in a stance, ready for action. Oftentimes like a goat or a bull or these kinds of animals, horses and whatnot, that have a position to sprint instantly into action. Usually wearing a leather and fur kilt used to hold potions and weapons or different. Of different types.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And for his legs, I also have a little descriptor, which is the stance and bent of the knees resembles that of animals much like a horse, bull, goat, or other animal, seemingly always at a slight bent angle. This is descriptors. This is again a paraphrased sentence from Greek. So.

Cristina: No, I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, it's some like, weird other thing, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So overall notes on stance are slightly hunched posture. It's never perfectly wrecked. It's always got like a sort of lean forward going on. It looks really aggressive no matter what it's doing. Like, it could just be relaxing and looking exceptionally aggressive. But. And because of this, it kind of always appears ready to attack, like a lot of these animals. Like a horse always looks ready to jump into action. Always so weird creature. Looking at the descriptions, I was like, this is kind of weird. So based on these notes, the animals you've listed or what?

Cristina: Goats, gorilla, lion, bull.

Jack: Bull and Human.

Cristina: Human, yes.

Jack: Got a couple of things going on, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which one would you say is more dominant?

Cristina: The human, other than the human. Okay. Bull.

Jack: Bull, right. Looks very dominant. What would be second goat? Right. So we would say that the lion and the gorilla are almost not even present.

Cristina: Yeah. Except it has some tiny features that make it more lion, which is like the mouth is lionish.

Jack: I would argue that gorillas have sharp teeth.

Cristina: They do. Okay, Then the face is gorilla. Ish. But it has a mane that looks very lionish.

Jack: But also goats have that.

Cristina: Goats have that. Oh, yeah. And then the claws, though. That's not a ghost thing? That's not a gorilla thing?

Jack: No, it's totally not.

Cristina: It's not any of those creatures.

Jack: It has to be some cat or some s***, right?

Cristina: Yeah. So it look very odd.

Jack: It looks really weird. If you were to give this creature a name, what would it be? What type of creature is it? Not what species. But if you were to say this is classified as this, would you have a word for it?

Cristina: Crap. I'm pretty sure there's a word and I can't think of that word, but I know it. There is a word, is a word.

Jack: For a fusion of creatures.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: A chimera.

Cristina: Yes, it's a chimera.

Jack: It definitely comes across like a chimera. It looks like a fusion of things. So, yeah, that was weird. And so I was like, well, this is a chimera. I was like, this is interesting. Let's see what more I can find. Just details that exist in history about it.

Cristina: But the claws thing, it does have claws. Is that. That was the description?

Jack: Yeah. Has talons instead of nails.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So looking for what is happening here, I went and looked for some behaviors associated with this thing. And it immediately led me to the fact that this thing is aggressive behavior wise, aggressive, savage. In nature, the Minotaur is depicted as a ferocious and bloodthirsty creature prone to violence and driven by primal instincts.

Cristina: Isn't it like protecting something?

Jack: What is it protecting?

Cristina: I don't know, like an entrance or something. It's kind of like the Locknik monster story where it's like there's a hideout and they're protecting it. So maybe he's protecting an entrance to something or a treasure or, you know.

Jack: Yeah. Feels like a troll you can't pass unless you get through me. Definitely. Definitely has that vibe. Right. It's known for killing and devouring those that cross its path, making it a feared and deadly adversary. Well, isolation is interesting with this creature, the Minotaur. Is known for its isolation, which could represent an inability to fit into either human or animal worlds because of its weird kind of night, neither here nor there vibe. And additionally, this sort of solitude might have contributed to its aggressive nature in the first place.

Cristina: Okay, so then when they're describing this creature, is it just one or are there a few of them known and being described?

Jack: There is one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which you will learn in the story of it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That I will tell you because you asked. So the story goes as follows. King Minos of Crete. Crete is the most populous of the Greek islands. It's the most populated. Offended Poseidon, one of the Greek researchers. Poseidon then cursed Minos by causing his wife, Queen Palisafe, to fall in love with the magnificent bull.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: As a result of this unnatural union, the Minotaur is born.

Cristina: Oh. Oh, okay. What? I thought he was the thing that she fell in love. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: No, she fell in love. He was just a dude. She fell in love with a bull and then kind of let the bull lay down some pipe.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Bestiality. Casually to hide the monstrous offspring, King Minos ordered the construction of a labyrinth.

Cristina: Okay. That's exactly where I would imagine him being.

Jack: Okay, that word doesn't just stand out to you.

Cristina: A labyrinth, like what? Like the thing underneath Clinton Road. I don't know.

Jack: And, like, what else?

Cristina: There's another one. Labyrinth is the house counted as the house. That's how she has the house. Okay.

Jack: It's a maze. A labyrinth is another word for maze.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And her house was a maze. And so. Yeah. So he constructs a labyrinth. Huh? A creature from the Greek experiments or whatever the crap. This is some, you know, bestiality moment, and you create a labyrinth to put it in. Somehow the story immediately smells like bullshit and, like, you guys are covering something up to me.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now, the labyrinth is beneath his palace where the Minotaur was imprisoned and fed with human sacrifices from Athens. Such a specific set of words and events.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Human sacrifices in a labyrinth?

Cristina: They might not be related. Okay. I mean, they could be, but, like, sacrifices could be something else happening down there.

Jack: Like what?

Cristina: Stones being made. I don't know.

Jack: Interesting. Okay, that's a great. What other thing?

Cristina: What other thing?

Jack: What do you think was happening in the house? That you would suggest stones in this labyrinth and not on that one?

Cristina: Oh, some type of portal to the other side. Great.

Jack: What do you think is happening at the bottom of Clinton Road? That you would suggest stones here and not there?

Cristina: I guess. Because I don't know about missing people because there's dead people here. I don't know the other two stories.

Jack: Clinton Road, where hundreds of people go missing. There's a whole point about that.

Cristina: Oh, well, then, yes, Maybe that's happening there too.

Jack: That's kind of why we looked there in the first place.

Cristina: Focus so much on the ghost story. I forget about the dead that are the people that are missing. Being missing doesn't mean they're dead because they're missing. Like, it's hard to say 100% while you're saying there are dead. These people are dead for sure.

Jack: Dead, like, well, he's feeding on them, so they're dead.

Cristina: So they're dead, but they're being sacrificed or something.

Jack: According to the words. Yes. Now, guardianship, the labyrinth's protector is ultimately the Minotaur because he's who's there all the time. And he acts as a guardian and gatekeeper of the labyrinth, making a symbol of challenge and an obstacle that must be overcome. People get thrown there, and if you can make it out, you are a warrior. Worth note. This is a challenge for you. You're gonna be sacrificed because you're a piece of crap who maybe broke some law. But if you make it out, you're one of our heroes and you're probably joining us.

Cristina: Okay, interesting.

Jack: Except how do you beat the Minotaur and then somebody else can go and face him. You didn't kill him. What does beating the Minotaur then mean?

Cristina: Reaching the doorway that he's protecting. I don't know.

Jack: I guess the way out. Yeah, just like they throw you in through this side, and there's no way to scale the wall. And somewhere there's a door with stairs, and he's going to try to kill you before you get there. Yeah, fair. So within the labyrinth, his behavior is labeled specifically as predatory hunting. Sort of, yeah. The Minotaur is often portrayed as hunting those who enter the domain, stalking them through the maze, like corridors of the labyrinth. A horror movie immediately. There should be a badass movie about this somewhere, about, like, running away from the Minotaur and is chasing you through the chambers or whatever.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Cool. Now trapping the victims, the victims themselves in there. So it serves as a trap, with the Minotaur lying in wait for unsuspecting victims who cannot find their way out. Which leans into what you're saying, a way out. There must be a way out. And you must find the way out before he finds you. So you don't have to kill him. You have to find your Way out. It's a game.

Cristina: There's no way you're gonna kill him.

Jack: There's no way you're gonna kill him. Is a 10 foot monster with weapons deader for a 10 foot monster.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So interesting. It's a game of sorts. Right. At least it seems like, you know, old school coliseum vibes.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We throw you into the thing will here, will he not modern day. We would just trap every hallway with cameras and make it a show. There's a minotaur down there. It's. It's the Minotaur hour. And today's contestant is Bob. And Bob is gonna be tossing or hopefully he doesn't die on his way down. Then the crowd all cheers. Ah, hopefully doesn't die.

Cristina: Yeah. So we get FL flashbacks to him having an interview beforehand. Yes.

Jack: He, you know, when he sits in front of the camera, he's like, why are you doing this? Well, I feel like I'm the right guy and I can totally accomplish this. I want to be world champion of escaping Minotaur.

Cristina: Yes. And I also don't want to die because I stole.

Jack: Yeah. You know, I was being put to death and I was like, I'll do the minotaur run.

Cristina: I'm fast.

Jack: Yeah. And then I'll become a warrior. Just don't kill me. So. Yeah, fair enough. Like I would watch that show. Just don't throw innocent people. Throw people who have it coming. I mean, theft isn't enough to be thrown in a cage, to be murdered viciously by some monster 10 times your size. And to be fair, we've described it as a human and bull. So it's an animal for sure. And it could smell you. So it's probably way harder to win this than you think.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It could just find you through scent. And also it knows where people are being thrown to.

Cristina: Yes. There's many.

Jack: My bet would be the only way this could really work. There has to be multiple routes that you can take. Otherwise it's not fair. You're always going to cross paths. Because the idea would be he would start at the door out and you would start at the only way in. So you got to find your way through the maze to the door out. And he's going to start at the door out and try to hunt you. So there must be more than one way to get there so that if he goes one, maybe you can dodge him.

Cristina: Well, that's very maze like. Yeah, exactly.

Jack: Checks out. But he can also track you better because he's an animal who can probably smell you.

Cristina: Yes. Or if it's like Quincen row, then there's many ways in and many ways out. You just have to get out of. Not. You can't go through the way you came in. That's probably the only rule.

Jack: Fair. And unless you. Yeah. Cuz you probably got pushed in from some height that you can't compensate because you're human. But yeah, there's probably multiple ways. And to make it more complicated, assuming because of the nature of what we're talking about, a maze, it's probably not just many ways in and many ways out, but I think literally one way in and one way out. But you can go to a dead end.

Cristina: Many dead ends.

Jack: Not know it's a dead end. And it just connects you to a whole other part of the maze. Somewhere where you just pop up and you're like, I don't. I'm super confused now. So it's probably a mess like that where you could enter all the way at the farthest left, pop up all the way at the farthest right. So you gotta figure this mess out. Like that. But interesting. Again, if that's the case, then it's a little harder for the minotaur to catch you, thus making it more even Your scent is on this side and then it just pops up over there. But you're also heavily confused roaming these halls.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Thus kind of a level playing field at that point.

Cristina: I can't imagine many winners though, right? Or any winner. I don't know.

Jack: So what do we think is actually happening based on this? We're talking about a game, but they're talking about you throw an individual into the maze and this creature hunts you. What's happening?

Cristina: What's happening? Well, if he. I don't know if he's. He's not part of the gods, he's just a random guy. So what could he possibly have to protect? How is he important to anything, this king?

Jack: Well, he's not said to be protecting anything other than the maze. According to the narrative, he's trying to eat whatever thrown in. So it's just a, you know, it's punishment system where you can probably make it out. I guess the reward is if you don't feed him, you get out. Yes, but you're likely just gonna feed him. I think that's the case, right?

Cristina: I think so. I don't know. There seems like something's off. Something's off. Yeah, for sure.

Jack: Okay, I'm going to tell you about the non accepted narrative by looking at.

Cristina: Oh wait, I just got or just remember something. How do people know all his descriptions? Was there a winner because of that?

Jack: Fascinating point.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh, fascinating point.

Cristina: Or are there guards? Other guards? No, I don't think so.

Jack: Nobody goes in. Nobody goes in.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: So that's a great question. Good question. Now I'm gonna give you the correction of these stories from many different sources that aren't the accepted narrative.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: These are mentions in other areas about this. Now, there's an individual called Apollodorus of Athens, and he is one of the authors. He's the literal primary author of the accepted narrative first. So all of the above details came from that individual. Okay, that's from Apollodorus of Athens. So I'm gonna go to a guy named Virgil. Really? His whole name is Publius Virgilius Maro, and the writing is called Virgil's Anaid. This is the text in which he mentions the Minotaur. And he says. Now he only mentions it in passing, by the way. So he chooses to focus on what he deemed more important, which was the labyrinth and its construction. Interesting details he gives us. He claims labyrinth was constructed by Daedalus, which is an individual of note in Greek mythology. Originally learned of the labyrinth during a visit to the temple of Apollo at Kume, where he sees a depiction of the labyrinth on the doors of the temple. Somebody had the maze's layout on their door engraved. On a temple's door engraved. Interesting things happening already. Now we're getting to texts we're more familiar with. Temples and mazes checks out. Okay. The labyrinth is described as inextricable maze with bewildering windings. Checks out to be a maze, very maze like. Descriptions of a maze also described as baffling and confusing. Now a maze whines and takes you to dead ends. For it to be baffling and confusing is hinting towards incoherent nature of it, which would suggest they go on one side, pop out of the other.

Cristina: Okay, yeah.

Jack: Why are you getting baffled and like, how the h*** did I do?

Cristina: Or if it's like that house where like the doors, the stairs lead to nowhere.

Jack: Yes, it could totally.

Cristina: Or the door leads to nowhere or whatever the case.

Jack: Interesting enough, what we know about that house is that this lady built it. Most likely not for that side, but when she died to go to the other side to have a house to roam. She was also the most prominent phantom there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And she was also one of the only seeming non echoes there. Interesting. And now this place is also confusing. When you were asking where the Minotaur was located in that image. That was just probably a corridor of this maze. This means the Minotaur is described as being at the very center of the maze, coming outward to Hunt. Checks out, except for one problem with the logic. You must be starting at one end. The exit must be at the opposite end. And he starts between the two points. See? Only way it would make sense. There's no way you're trying to get to the middle. No, you gotta get out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So he's starting halfway between those two points, and he's gonna try to find you, and you're gonna try to avoid it.

Cristina: That's tough.

Jack: On your way to the door.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: As it seems, these are the only mentions we get from Publius Virgilius Maro. So we go then to a different individual that has another quick passing mention. Aristotle's notes in his library.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: In his notes, he briefly mentions the Minotaur and refers to him by name as Asterius. Now, you look up Asterias and you'll find variations of this name. Asterias and Asterion. Great. But he gave him a name. That's pretty sweet. Gives us another place to start with. Okay. Anyhow, there's one more writer of prominence that matters here. His name is Euripides. Euripides. So Euripides writings say. Which is a collection. So in his collection of writings, the Minotaur is a result of. Now, this is where it gets weird. This guy is way more obscure, way harder to find, and surprisingly, the guy who has completely different terminology. The Minotaur is a result of a progressive advancement in alchemy.

Cristina: What.

Jack: AKA the sciences of that time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Claims that Queen Pasiphy was the subject of this alchemic procedure.

Cristina: That makes more sense.

Jack: That makes way more sense and is way more along the lines that we would agree with.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The second subject was a babylos. A Babylon is a half bison, half bull.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Chimera.

Cristina: Okay, so that plus her equals this thing Pretty much.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: We took an experiment and then combined it with her. Made her experiment.

Jack: You didn't combine her. You used her DNA.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: Because it was a child. We know the union quote resulted in this. So it's a child of sorts. Some sort of assembly or some. Test tube baby.

Cristina: Test tube baby for sure.

Jack: Right. Some weird. And now we're in the territories we've heard about before. Weird experiments.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: How interesting. Weird experiments that Poseidon was running.

Cristina: Yeah. Makes sense.

Jack: Interesting. Right. Now, it specifically says Chimera, created by Poseidon. By the way. An alchemic process resulted in the two creatures referred to as brothers.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yes. Now let's take a look again so that you could be quite blown away by what we're looking at. It resulted in two creatures which referred to as brothers.

Cristina: Now you're saying those two things are two different creatures, not one creature being described two different ways.

Jack: These are two different individuals.

Cristina: Okay. Which is the human version? I guess they are both.

Jack: They're twins.

Cristina: They're twins. Okay. And they both came from this lady.

Jack: They're both from the same woman. And the same father. The same mother. Same father, yes.

Cristina: So one of them, though, looks more like a human. A human. And the other one looks more like the father.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Half bison. Half. What was it?

Jack: Half bison, half bull.

Cristina: Bull, yeah.

Jack: Interesting, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So this seems to have been lost in mythology. People have mentioned it, but the main narrative, over repeated durations, sort of fused them into one individual. Go back to Aristotle's notes. And he gave us two names.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. See?

Cristina: Oh, this lady was experimented on.

Jack: Yeah. The two names again being Asterius and Asterion. Asterias is the traditional Minotaur we are familiar with. And then Asterion is the quadruped.

Cristina: Quadruped walks on four legs. Oh, okay.

Jack: The more animalistic one.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Weird, right?

Cristina: Yes, Very strange.

Jack: Additionally, Euripides gives us a nice little detail that is so hard to find outside of his writing that it is baffling. And I've never heard it before until I saw the word. First I saw the word in Greek, and then I had to translate the word from Greek. So the alchemic process resulted in the two creatures referred to as brothers, which are Asterias and Asterion. Asterias, the Minotaur, is brother to Asterion, the Toro Boban. Those two individuals describe their different physical structures. The Minotaur, very human, like the Toroboban, very animalistic. Both twin siblings.

Cristina: Where is the Toro Boban being kept?

Jack: I just told you that the narrative got fused and turned them into one.

Cristina: Yes, but. So in. But then they're both living in the maze.

Jack: Yes. Okay, so the claims by Euripides go. The Minotaur would result reside in the very center of the maze, protecting what he referred to as the entrance. At the center of the maze is the entrance, not where the person you throw in there to die goes in through just something he referred to as the entrance.

Cristina: Okay. Which could be his entrance into the maze, maybe. No, but then he can't go in.

Jack: And out, so he can't go in and out.

Cristina: It's very strange to call it the entrance or not strange if it's not really an entrance in the way. We're thinking, like, if it's more like a portal.

Jack: Like that.

Cristina: Yes, like the house.

Jack: The entrance at the house was just what looked like a seance room, as referred to like a sandro. Yeah, but it was just an entrance.

Cristina: Entrance, but it wasn't. It was just a room.

Jack: No, it was an entrance, but I guess it was literally an entrance, just not for us. Yes, but it was an entrance. This is not an incorrect terminology. You're not. Don't discredit the word entrance. It is an entrance. He's not wrong. He didn't write it. And you're over here correcting him. No, that is the right word. It's an entrance.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We just got a question. What kind of an entrance? And we have an example of an entrance at the center of literally a maze.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Very similar scenario. The Minotaur, what we're familiar with, is at the center of the maze. It's weird that the Toro Boban isn't the one at the center of the maze and that people never see the entrance. So we don't know about the Tora Boban. People have made it to the entrance because they see the Minotaur. It's easier, it seems, to evade the Toro Boban.

Cristina: But he's the one probably eating them.

Jack: The Toro boban.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah, he's definitely the one killing them out there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then anybody who makes it all the way to the Minotaur, you then have a fight in your hands that you're probably not gonna win. And he's about to eat too.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: These two creatures got fused into one and lost a history. Never before have I seen this. The Toro Boban would roam the maze. Hunting the prey is the very next line.

Cristina: Yeah, that sounds like what we thought. Yep. Yep.

Jack: Although that's been attributed to the Minotaur. That is incorrect. The animalistic one is the one roaming those halls, those corridors, while the one most man like stands dead center, waiting casually.

Cristina: Yeah, but even if you make it to that entrance, quote unquote, you're not really getting out. Even if you can pass him, because that's not the actual way.

Jack: No. They're not protecting an exit.

Cristina: No.

Jack: You're meant to die there.

Cristina: Yes. If you made it there, you go the wrong way.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. There's probably a way out. It's just not that way. And that is a way in for something else. Yeah, you're not going to that side. If you can't, I won't let you. I'm only here to let them in, not you out.

Cristina: I mean, maybe you can come back in that way after he's done with you.

Jack: Now, based on the pattern we're looking at, there's some things we could question here. If that is an entrance, that means that there is another exit. Because the entrance is where the Minotaur is. The exit must be elsewhere. The exit to the maze must be elsewhere because the Minotaur is blocking the entrance.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: That is the entrance, not the exit. It's specifically labeled as the entrance. And we know what kind of interest they're referring to. Yes, because we have another example of it. But how do we know more about the Minotaur than we do about the Torah Boban? The people telling the story were never human. They must have originated the narrative. It's Jinn or something coming through. And they're most likely to see the Minotaur on the way in.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Then the Toro Boban roaming the halls. They would never come across. He's at the door. He's the first thing you see when you come through the Minotaur.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's no reason you would see the Torah Boban unless you stumbled into him writing these stories.

Cristina: Are community communicating with ghost. Question.

Jack: Not ghost with Jin.

Cristina: Yeah, but it's like the same to those people.

Jack: Not if they came through.

Cristina: Like they have physical bodies when they come through.

Jack: Like all of the Djinn that come through, you see? So whatever's coming through that becomes physical. Just like the Jinn that interact in all these other groups, it's a physical thing. Those individuals then come in contact with perhaps the individuals telling these stories.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And inform them about what they saw. And 99 times out of a hundred, the only thing you saw there was Minotaur.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because the other one is roaming the halls.

Cristina: Yes. To kill humans, not to kill.

Jack: To kill the punished.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: So they're not hunting Djinns or. None. They're just interested in the humans.

Jack: Yes. They're being fed to do their job. Interesting. Two outcast brothers put in this maze, and they're gonna be fed. It's not really outcast if they're kind of down with it and performing almost a duty. It becomes almost like they were made for this purpose because the maze was made for this purpose. And then your only thing was to put them there. These are op. You could use these for a lot of things, but you put them in the maze and have one Roaming the halls. And the other one guarding, quote, the entrance, unquote.

Cristina: Yes. Like this. This was gonna happen whether that lady was involved or not.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Somebody's being punished.

Jack: But, like, I don't think so. I think that's bullshit story.

Cristina: Oh, you think that part is?

Jack: I think that. Yeah, I think that's all fake narrative.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah, Yeah.

Jack: I think it was just ways to explain it by people who didn't know what was going on.

Cristina: Yeah, like the other story with the.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Queen that turned into Snake.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. It's just, you know, warped stories, People trying to comprehend crap. So the Toro Boban is something lost to history, something lost in text. Now, it's mentioned in passing and here and there, casually, very hard to find. But if you look hard enough, it shows up. The Toro Boban called Asterion, and the Minotaur called Asterias, they were named to begin with. Their names were also lost. It's very hard to find their names.

Cristina: Their names are very similar to each other.

Jack: Yes. So things to note about this. We've come across mazes, as we know, and they kind of resemble the scenario.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And even if there's no particular maze structure in Clinton Road other than. And it's not even a maze, more than just some weird private area with entrance and exits that we're unfamiliar with, that's not maze. Like, there's probably a straight shot there. We just don't know how to get there. But the. The underground and the whole setup on top where you could, like, literally walk down this way and then pop up over there. But there is a town there that's like a maze, which is Paradise.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: And you go into paradise and the roads start changing on you and the exits start changing on you. Interesting. There's a maze there too. Sort of.

Cristina: Sort of. Yeah.

Jack: New modern age maze. But we go way far back. There's literally a labyrinth. We go in the middle between these two points, we have a house that's weird and confusing. And we jump a little more further up and we have a town that's equally confusing. So it's the same layout. Presumably at the center of paradise, there must be what? A gate in the center of Paradise. Two different instances are hinting towards the third one.

Cristina: Have you looked up stories about Paradise?

Jack: That is the next goal for sure. Because now we have a point of reference.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now we have a way to look at it other than it's a town. What stories do people know about the town? Like, people don't know things. No, we need reference.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: And now we have perspective, we can start looking. Is there anything weird that's ever happened at the center of paradise? Has anybody seen anything like this or that?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: In paradise?

Cristina: Probably. Then we call it the Jersey Devil. Who knows?

Jack: Yes. Any possibility? Yes, exactly. Something is at the center of paradise. Maybe we were looking in the wrong locations. And where we should have been looking all along was the maze. Paradise. This is my point. We have no idea how to. The place is too big. There's too much crap there. Perspective.

Cristina: Too much going on.

Jack: Too much perspective is so important. We have to get informed elsewhere and then come back. There's some unrelated nonsense. Since it totally turned out related.

Cristina: Yes. Was that your goal?

Jack: No, no. I'm just getting information from any. Again, anything that relates to any of the groups or any of the things could hint.

Cristina: Okay, so something reminds you of this and then you went on this hunt.

Jack: Yeah. No. Not reminded me of this per se, but I'm just looking at things and creatures and I stumble upon the thing and you know, chase random threads and see where they go. If nothing, go over there. I tell you, the ones that do connect, there's a bunch of crap that doesn't. If it's interesting enough, I don't care. If it doesn't, I'll tell you anyways.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But amazing. I think there's something at the center of paradise.

Cristina: Yes. And we gotta find it. Yep.

Jack: If anything, it has to be some sort of a portal because we're two for two.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The distinct role of the brothers and how the more humanoid of the two would stay at the entrance is of note. That's definitely a welcome party. Not just blocking somebody from the maze, getting to the door and going through some private location you shouldn't be heading to. Like the hidden gate at the seance room. It's almost like you're trying to prevent people going through to the other side. You just want things to come through onto this side.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And putting the more human of the two there instead of having the more human of the two walking the halls, you're. It's a welcome party. You have somebody who could, like, I can guide you to where you need to go.

Cristina: Yes, Guide them. Yes.

Jack: Instead of a freaking half monstrous bull looking thing that you're like. That looks like the kinds of crap we kill on my end.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, you want something humanoid and like, oh, yeah, I'm here to point.

Cristina: The way or something. Yes.

Jack: Then again, I'm sure he's the welcome party and kind of sets you up for My brother is going to guide you. He's my brother. You're safe. Instead of the brother, be the one who show up. The Toro Boban. You're like, oh, my God, Did I go through the wrong door? Okay, so have the humanoid one speak to you and be looking like a human. And then the Toro Boban that roams the halls would escort you to the actual door that it's familiar with. How to get to.

Cristina: I don't know. I think they avoid him completely because there is no stories of the other guy because the other guy's just murdering.

Jack: Fair enough. Right? They would have mentioned them, too. Yes. You're totally right. They're not seeing him at all. Meaning the. The Minotaur actually leaves its post.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because at the end of the day, nobody's getting that far.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And one trip isn't gonna suddenly allow the person to just get to the door.

Cristina: Yep. The only one anyone sees is the Minnow Tower.

Jack: And anybody who maybe the Torah Boban is kind of like my bro, you know, My brother's kind of off edge, so you stay with me. I'll tell him you're good, and we'll go to the door, and you can exit. But if you come across my brother.

Cristina: Without me, maybe that's why he's so buff, in case he has to fight off the brother. Although they never mention it.

Jack: They don't mention it? No.

Cristina: They work together according to the avoiding or. Yeah. They just stay away from each other. Okay.

Jack: It could be that they stay away from each other, but, I mean, I guess it could be. There's no mention they do. Well, no. They both eat, and they both stop anything from getting to that door.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they're sharing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So I'm assuming they're still cool with each other. Maybe the Toro Bowman is just way more aggressive, and he's like, keep all that other away from me. I don't want to. I don't want any part of this.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: While the. The Minotaurs is, you know, more humanoid. I'm more accepted. He is definitely way more rejected than I am.

Cristina: Yes. But he's not a social creature, either, at least in the descriptions I think you gave of him.

Jack: Yeah. Isolated. Both of them are.

Cristina: Yeah. So he's just doing his job. I think it's not to socialize or anything.

Jack: Just like in both of their cases, they're just doing their jobs. Yeah. It just so happens to be that one is at the door and probably the escort to the exit.

Cristina: Yeah. That's it.

Jack: Follow me. And I'LL get you out at the end. Interesting, right? Very. Again, so much of this lost to repeat iteration. Yeah, it just gets lost in translation. The area referred to as the entrance being the center of the labyrinth, opposed to being the entrance being on the outer edges, is very informative. That's definitely a way in from somewhere else. And we have examples which heavily enlightened that this is existing at the center of paradise, at least. Most likely.

Cristina: Most likely.

Jack: Even if not, it seems most likely the experimentation that Poseidon performed as to result in the Babylons to begin with. So he was already creating weird things, made this chimera and then use this chimera to make a double chimera.

Cristina: Yeah, to make a few more, you.

Jack: Know, chimera twice removed. I made that thing and I'm gonna use that thing to make something else. Merge this cool other thing with a human.

Cristina: Which he probably has other experiments too.

Jack: Yes. Based on this, there must be a plethora of experiments that are hard to find that Poseidon has performed. Weird.

Cristina: That's very weird because, like, the. The unicorns aren't theirs. Not the unicorns. The. Yeah, the unicorns aren't theirs. And they thought that was weird about the unicorns. But, like, there's creatures in Greek that would remind you of the unicorns. Like, you would think those are animals from there.

Jack: Well, I have a reason why they would think it's weird. The Minotaur and the toro boban don't seem to have weird supernatural powers.

Cristina: Okay. Yes. Because the unicorn could fly.

Jack: The unicorn can just levitate and they're like, how the h*** did you do that?

Cristina: Yeah. Because if they do have unicorns from there as well, they wouldn't be. They would hover. They would just. They would be more horse like.

Jack: Yes. They would have other things going on. The best they keep in mind. Keep in mind that they have no version of this. Their imitation of a unicorn is a Pegasus. It's still not powers. It's a physical thing. You gave it wings so it could fly. Yeah, because theirs doesn't have wings and can just take off into the sky. And you still have no idea.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So we're looking at the Greek can make chimera. But the Alicians don't need to waste their time merging two animals. They could just take a random animal and jacket.

Cristina: Don't know what they did. Don't know how it's possible.

Jack: But also, we do know how it's possible because the Greek have no idea how the h*** the stones were being made. They were referring them they were just referencing always different, different versions of adrenochrome. They're drowning in that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: While the Elysians figured out the stone that they could just use to make the unicorn.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: Logic. There's. Their methods are so different, and they can result in kind of sort of the same things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But through vastly different methods. These are two very, extremely different sciences taking place. Interesting, because we have a third completely different science in modern day.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So we're looking at. The Greek had one version of science that does not reflect anything the Elicians did or anything we've ever done. Then the Elysians have some form of science that doesn't reflect anything we've ever done or anything the Greek have ever done. And we have a version of science that doesn't reflect anything the Greek ever did or anything the Alicians ever did.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Science is not one way.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There are roads to take, and some people find other ways. And this is a great example of the building stones we know about. The Elysians never consumed adrenochrome, as far as we can tell. But avoiding that killed quite a lot of people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: While the Greek didn't have to kill mass people. They would just have to continuously, you know, kill one here, kill one there to consume the adrenochrome. But they have to remain hooked up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So in order to not be hooked, you got to take a lot of life.

Cristina: That's tricky. There's life. Either way, you're losing life, no matter.

Jack: Losing life no matter what. Interesting. Interesting. Two vastly different sciences. And it makes total logic how you got the stone, and the stone breaks the laws of nature, so a unicorn becomes possible. You over here aren't breaking the laws of nature. You have no idea how the h*** they did that. So you're just altering your physical makeup through literal chemicals. And so in the same kind of way, you could do that. Something else.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Alter the physical makeup at birth and then you got some other thing. Totally different sciences, totally different products. It's awesome that they line up in logical kind of ways, but. Yeah, it's weird. Weird. The unicorn thing versus the Pegasus thing. The different sciences, the methods they took to get there. Fascinating man. Poseidon. Creating chimeras is weird. It's a hat that's not mentioned more. But again, we're talking about real obscure lost information.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And it's just fascinating that he. He kind of. We haven't heard of experiments on experiments.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess.

Jack: Yeah. But it would make sense if you can't just do it the first time with a stone. You have to won't A plus B equals C. Then I use C plus D, so on and so forth. Because it's literal, more practical. As opposed to just breaking laws of physics and nature. And as a result of all of this crap, the Tora Bobon gets lost to history and fused in literature to the Minotaur. Ultimately making it look like they've been one all along when they weren't. There's a weird turn.

Cristina: There's gotta be more creatures.

Jack: More double triple, quadruple experiments going on.

Cristina: Yeah. Just like the they when they made the Nagas. They made a bunch of Naga variations of them.

Jack: Trying to get to. But we didn't see see Keto experiment on an existing Naga.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Or an existing Grogan, which isn't a Naga. Just trying to. But he didn't succeed in making it to the way that he would call a Naga. So he made Medusa. And then like this is weak. He didn't work on Medusa's DNA again. He started again from scratch.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: While Poseidon is leveled up, bro. He understood. Nah, just work on the thing already. Use that.

Cristina: I like what I made, but I want to get. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: I want to make it better. So I'm not going to start from scratch. I'm improve on the model.

Cristina: Fascinating scientist.

Jack: It seems he would be. But he is amongst the group. And here is just a different visual of the exact same duo. Looking a little more, you know, casual next to each other. No longer in the same image, but a more accurate depiction of what you'd look at.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Still with the red eyes.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Pretty horrifying.

Jack: Both quite aggressive and menacing looking. Those features kind of line up ultimately. But yeah, when you look at it, it really is just a.

Cristina: They look like they're related.

Jack: They totally do. They totally do. Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah. You could think that was there. It's werewolf version if that was a thing.

Jack: Yep. But you end up with this result of like these two born at the same time. Twin brothers. Both isolated individuals. Highly aggressive, ginormous, 7 to 10ft tall individuals. But looking at this creature has informed us on Paradise Road that leads to the town of Paradise. Yes. Now this random thing aimed because the maze was what mattered here. Yeah. We learned about a cool other experiment. Dope. Pretty awesome that we found some kind of real hidden knowledge. But all of this was just entertainment purposes. Because the knowledge we should all be taking from here is another maze with another gate at the center.

Cristina: Has to be.

Jack: And we have a third maze that we've never looked at because we thought it was just, you know, the jumbled nature of the shadow realm. But that doesn't make sense. The veil wouldn't be so thin there. That's a place meant to channel an entrance.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We just gotta find the entrance. Which would be harder to find the closer to the center you get.

Cristina: Presumably, for sure, because it would be.

Jack: More, I don't know, more jumbled, harder to get the closer you get. You take a wrong turn, you might find your way all the way to the beginning again.

Cristina: Yeah. Yes. I think we found something. Or we're gonna find something. I think we're gonna find something.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting. Anyways, that's what I have, the Minotaur, which is not one individual, but rather the Minotaur and the Toro Boban both got crushed into one word, Minotaur. But Minotaur is only one individual. Asterias, the bipedal, one of the two.

Cristina: The other one being the quadrip.

Jack: Asterion. Asterias is the Mena, the minotaur, and Asterion is the quadruped.

Cristina: Okay, beautiful.

Jack: Anyways, anybody who has any input, any information, if you got enlightened. Yeah. If you found that interesting, if you concluded something we didn't think about that's hidden in this data we went through, tell us, message us, communicate with us, hit us up on our socials at just convopod on X, on Facebook, on Instagram, on Tick tock, wherever the h*** you want, find us.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yeah. And word of the mouth, talk to people. Tell them, not just you hit us up, but you tell people to come and listen. Especially people who like Greek mythology or people who like any kind of mythology or supernatural things. Or weird things.

Cristina: Or weird things. Yeah.

Jack: It's all here.

Cristina: It's all there.

Jack: We do pretty fringy stuff.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks, bro. Listening. Bye.

Jack: Foreign.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

August 17, 2024

Rambling 286: Flatwoods Monster

August 17, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

What exactly is the Flatwoods Monster? What circumstances surround its sighting? Have we seen it before? The duo open the case of Flatwoods Monster, a strange West Virginia sighting of an eerie creature more relevant that anyone could have ever predicted.

+Episode Details

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Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcription

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the program where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. Is that not what we do? Is it not what what we do?

Cristina: I'm pretty sure we do that. We do that sometimes.

Jack: Sometimes. Are you claiming that on every single one of our episodes we've not given groundbreaking revelations that alter the way in which humans as a whole vis. Visualize reality?

Cristina: Are you about to show me something?

Jack: I'm about to show you something crazy.

Cristina: Is it more land? Is it more land to look at? And guess what? The land.

Jack: More land. No.

Cristina: No. Okay, good.

Jack: I got a chair.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And I got a thing. I need you to walk the listeners who cannot see what you're seeing through what I am showing you.

Cristina: It's like a ghost lady robot alien.

Jack: That's fair. That's fair. I can see all the things you're talking about.

Cristina: She has red eyes. She has salad finger fingers. What are they called? They're very long. They're very long and thin fingers, but like a robotic torso, right? Red giant eyes. Like, if you saw her tonight, you think she's Mothman, but she doesn't have the wings. She does have crazy hair.

Jack: Doesn't that make so much f****** sense, to think that this is the Mothman?

Cristina: Yeah. If you saw that at night, you.

Jack: Would 100% think the Mothman.

Cristina: I don't know if that thing is her hair. It could be her hair. It could be. I don't know. Or her head is on fire. I don't know. It looks like from the Sharer's Point. Like, if it's painting what she's supposed to look like as well. Her head is glowing red. It's just a red glow coming from her head, I think. I'm not sure. Is she an alien? Is she a God? I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. Okay, walk us through the chair. Because you focus a lot on her. Walk us through this chair a little.

Cristina: It's a chair.

Jack: Of course.

Cristina: She's behind the chair. And are you sitting on her? Is she like a Santa Claus to someone or something? Like, why do you sit on the chair of her?

Jack: It would be sitting on her lap, I guess. Right?

Cristina: And there's like, a tiny image of, like, her next to a person. And a person's very tiny next to her.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: That's a normal grown person at her. She. She's humongous.

Jack: Important, important points.

Cristina: And so is that share that big. Like if some. An adult sits on that chair, they'll look tiny.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Why is she some Santa Claus alien robot thing? God, what is he? I don't know.

Jack: And you've gendered her, too. It's a her or it could be.

Cristina: A he, but, like, lady.

Jack: Yeah, it's.

Cristina: The thing is wearing a skirt.

Jack: It looks.

Cristina: A very long skirt.

Jack: What would you say is in between the skirt and its tor. Torso.

Cristina: Robot parts. Right.

Jack: Like springs or some.

Cristina: Yeah, or it's some kind of bug creature. Because, like, it's. Yeah, the. The torso is just.

Jack: Okay. An exoskeleton type of thing.

Cristina: Yeah. With the arms. It goes. Well, he. Or it was some type of bug.

Jack: The arms kind of get weird. Now tell me about these arms a little more.

Cristina: They're sticks. There's stick arms.

Jack: If you were to just see the arms, what would you think this is?

Cristina: A tree?

Jack: No, animal. Think animal.

Cristina: Some type of bug is really. All right.

Jack: You would think a bug.

Cristina: Yeah. I think it's related to a bug, but it's too huge.

Jack: What kind of a bug has fingers?

Cristina: I don't know. Like a stick bug thing that. It's just sticks. I don't know. I don't know. There's no animal that looks like that. Not even its hands? No.

Jack: Yes. There's a ton of them. There's an entire category that is so astoundingly large that it conquers an entire section of all life. We've ever considered lizards. Them, too, but not that way.

Cristina: Not.

Jack: No, not three. Birds. Birds.

Cristina: Birds. Bird hands. They're so thin.

Jack: Yeah. It looks like chicken hands.

Cristina: Chicken hands. Chicken hands. I don't.

Jack: Not chicken hands. We know bird hands. Just really.

Cristina: The red eyes make no sense. It has to be some. This is not Mothman. This is not Mothman. Someone just saw Mothman for real.

Jack: This is some kind of a robot, right?

Cristina: It's Mothman.

Jack: Why do you think it's Mothman?

Cristina: The eyes. Like, if you saw that night, you would think it's Mothman. There's no way. There's no way you wouldn't think this is Mothman. The giant size and the eyes. There's no way you'd think it's anything else.

Jack: It is a completely logical conclusion to make 100%. The cleanest, most logical approach would be. This has to be Mothman, right?

Cristina: Yes. I don't know what else it could be.

Jack: I thought exactly the Same thing. And it's not.

Cristina: It's not. But it's something.

Jack: It's a thing.

Cristina: It's a thing.

Jack: Allow me to walk you through.

Cristina: Is it an alien?

Jack: I guess that's for us to figure out.

Cristina: And this is somehow related to Clinton Road?

Jack: Well, it's related to everything. I wouldn't say Clinton Road in particular.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Okay.

Jack: It's bigger picture.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So the year is 1952. It's September 12th. Autumn. I guess autumn hasn't even started. When does autumn begin? It begins September 20th.

Cristina: 21St.

Jack: 21St. Oh, it's not autumn. Yeah, it's still this. The end of summer, the tail.

Cristina: It's feeling like fall.

Jack: Yeah, not really, because even the beginning of autumn still feels kind of hot. It's just really. Ultimately, the seasons break down into like. Like maybe six months of summer and six months of winter. With about three months. No, not even. Because that would be too many months.

Cristina: That would be what, six plus? Six plus.

Jack: No, it would be. What would it be? It would be 1, 2, 3, 4 months of each and then 2 months of each. Yeah, I guess that's how it would break down. It really feels so short.

Cristina: Yes, it works. Four. Four.

Jack: Yeah, four. Four, two, two. Okay, I have to move them over. I was just making randomness. I have to visualize the numbers moving over.

Cristina: Yeah, that makes sense. But like, the summer morning is still really cold. It's getting cold.

Jack: I like. Yeah, I like that feeling. The end of summer and the beginning of summer when the cold is in the morning and the heat is in the afternoon. But not excessive heat and not excessive cold. Just this kind of great intermediate area. I like that. That's the best. But also I like when it's always that consistently in spring, I guess.

Cristina: Yeah, that's the best autumn.

Jack: Autumn has a little bit colder going on. Spring has a little bit hotter going on with both of them. Perfect. Anyways, unrelated. Unrelated.

Cristina: How do we know it's not related?

Jack: I mean, it could totally be related. And so, I mean, literally, maybe it could be related because we know that the portals at different locations require the equin knocks to happen. And we don't know if heat is why or it's the alignment or it's the what is it? The hottest point of the day is the longest day. What. What do you. What factor are you looking for? So at the end of the day, like, come on. Our meters are fire, bro. We can connect any random two dots. We're skilled at this game. By now. Everything's gonna make sense. It checks Out. Yeah, could do that about any topic. Challenge us.

Cristina: Yes. Okay, tell me about this thing.

Jack: Yeah, challenge us. Look straight up if you're listening. Challenge us. Give us something. I promise it's. It fits in. I promise it's related, if it's weird or government related or anything. Give us anything. I promise you if it's weird, it's related. Or we'll make it. But 1952, September 12th, we're in Fleetwoods, which is in Braxton County, West Virginia.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: 1950S is kind of booming. You know, ladies got that weird puffy hair, that kind of curves at the end. And they got those skirts that just end perfect at their ankle and they got white socks on and that shoe.

Cristina: Is that what that thing is trying to do, is trying to look like.

Jack: One of those ladies?

Cristina: Oh, now we gotta find picture of these ladies you're talking about and compare.

Jack: That's kind of cool. That checks out a little.

Cristina: But it's too huge. Like, even if it was trying to attempt something like you're as tall as. You're as tall as the tree. What are you talking about?

Jack: Do you see how easy it is to think this thing is the Mothman, bro? How weird that it is trying to imitate people? Because that's just trying to imitate people, right? And what's the reports of the Mothman? He shows up tragedies and whatever. You know, he does this weird thing where he's kind of like reflecting people. Weird. Why? Why are you imitating people? How the is this not it? Unless this is something like it.

Cristina: Is it really? No, don't tell me yet. Just tell me what these ladies look like in that time.

Jack: Exactly what I described. And so I even lost my train of thought. So 1950s. Oh yeah, everything's booming. Ladies are looking nice, their hair is looking ridiculous, and they got. They all got little apron on top of their head. For whatever reason, TV shows it like that. Yeah, I'm sure it wasn't even happening in reality. That was just the. The, you know, the traditional woman was doing that. The common woman wasn't. And that's why the traditional woman was looking down on the common woman. Because you don't have an apron over your head, you w****. Okay, you know, so the. So that's why in. In images they had the apron. It was all lady like, I bet. Don't look it up. It's probably true.

Cristina: Doesn't sound right.

Jack: How would you. Okay, solve it. Let's solve it right here, right now. How. Why was the air apron, their hairstyle.

Cristina: Was so perfect that they didn't want to mess it up.

Jack: Oh, s***. That could totally be it too. Mad hairspray. But then you're not even showing it off. So they would only wear going to.

Cristina: Somewhere you need to cover it. And then when you're there, you take.

Jack: It out and it's just a tiny little thing you could put in your pockets.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: And your skirts were so fluffy. They probably had pockets before big pocket got to you. And try big. What is it? Big purse. No.

Cristina: They will tie it around their neck maybe.

Jack: Oh. Oh, man. You piece this all together because they do have some. That looks kind of like a scarf or some s***. No, it's not. It's not.

Cristina: It's not.

Jack: It's too thin. What they know. So they probably put it in their giant skirt pocket. Big purse hasn't destroyed pockets yet.

Cristina: You don't know. I don't know. When was that?

Jack: Around in the 1950s. You think there were purses, like, super popular. I bet.

Cristina: I bet when they came out with purses, it became super popular, like immediately. Yes. I think that was a hot thing, purses. Yeah.

Jack: And then they were like, f*** pockets. We could have so many more clothing option if we don't have to consider pockets. And. Oh, is this a typical. We're playing with fire, not thinking about the repercussions. And so we. We're not envisioning a future without pockets.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We're just envisioning, oh, why can't we have both?

Cristina: Why can't we have both pockets?

Jack: We've gone too far. Science has taken us away from pockets.

Cristina: Bring it back. Bring back the pockets.

Jack: Science is taking us away from pockets. Pockets are inefficient. Or for whatever reason science deemed women with pockets is useless. Women with pockets is useless.

Cristina: According to survival, have pockets. And then they still need to carry things. So then they have that little purse on the waist.

Jack: A man purse. Yes.

Cristina: No. Yeah.

Jack: Like, no. Yeah. What do you. F**** pack.

Cristina: F**** pack. That's the man purse. And like, you see, they have pockets and it's not enough.

Jack: So how much crap are they walking around with that they need all that.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: F**** packs, ultimately, or let's really be realistic. When you gotta carry your medicine around. You're an older man.

Cristina: I guess so. Well, you're an older person. Yes.

Jack: And when you're classy older, dude, you carry a briefcase with your meds in them.

Cristina: That makes no sense. That's mad work. Why not just get a f**** pack?

Jack: No. If you're in A suit all day.

Cristina: Get a lunchbox.

Jack: Yeah, no, some kind of small. It could look like you have a work bag. You know, a little work.

Cristina: Yes, but I have a briefcase just for medicine.

Jack: Not a little briefcase. You know, like a small work case. Suitcase, whatever.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, it looks like something you'd put a laptop in.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: And you carry that around. But really, it just goes neat with your suit. You probably have a couple of different ones that match your suit. Because you're classy, dude. You work. You're working man at the top of your super tower.

Cristina: Okay. You take mad meds because you're old.

Jack: Just. Oh, it's one of the unfortunate old people who just hear mad medication because they just eat whatever the doctors say instead of working out. Anyways, all of this somehow has to do with the 1950s.

Cristina: What does this lady have to do? Or this thing. What is this thing?

Jack: Well, it's 1950s, where this thing kind of looks like this lady we were describing for whatever reason.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But anyways, 1950s women are booming. Or people at 50s are booming, whatever. The boom in 50s. I know that's wrong, but close enough. And it's exactly 7:15pm According to Sword from people.

Cristina: So this is multiple people reporting.

Jack: Yeah, it's about to get weird, bro. Okay, so let's begin. The sighting begins with brothers Edward and Fred May and their friend Tommy. Hire report seeing an exceptionally bright, exceptionally fast moving object across the sky. They thought a meteor. Who?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. And they claim it hit a neighbor's farm belonging to G. Bailey Fisher. Neighbor. So we got Edward and we got Fred and we got Tommy. And together they see a thing go across the sky. They're like, oh, s***, skyrockes on.

Cristina: Okay, so are they gonna go onto the farm to investigate it?

Jack: Yeah, they're gonna go do that. But as they're going onto the farm to investigate it, they see that it didn't really hit. It kind of slowed down as they followed it.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Yeah. So they run back all three. Keep in mind, we already got three eyewitnesses. Nobody is dead. Nobody died. These are eyewitnesses that lived and all told exactly the same story. Now they get back.

Cristina: Back to where?

Jack: Home. Oh, and they run to actually a neighbor's house. Kathleen May, unrelated. Where they explained what had happened. He was like, what had happened was. And then she immediately didn't believe him because she said what had happened. But anyways, as he said what had happened was, we saw this weird thing go across the sky. And then it was. As we followed it to Go see the crash. It was kind of like moving. We were close to the hill. We started running because we wanted to see it go, hit the thing. And it just stopped moving kind of slowly. And we freaked out because we don't know how to explain that. And here we are telling you about it.

Cristina: That's kind of lame.

Jack: Yeah. And she was like, well, that's kind of weird. I mean, all three of you saw it and they were like, yeah, it was kind of like they're slowing down.

Cristina: So I don't get it. Why wouldn't they just. It's like an incomplete story. Why would they do that?

Jack: I know.

Cristina: You see something weird and you don't finish through what you're seeing.

Jack: Well, most horror horrifying stories end with the people who went to investigate dying.

Cristina: That's why. Then they should have said, okay, one of us has to stay while the other two run or something. Like make some weird bet with your friends to get one of you to stay at the spot.

Jack: It has to happen this way. One of you needs to keep looking at it. The other one. The other two, one is gonna keep their eye on you, who's on top of the hill.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And the others get. Yeah, the other is gonna stand in front of him. So he's gonna see two people, one looking at him and one at the hill.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Also looking at him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He's going to be looking only towards them while the guy looking at him directly in front of him is going to be guiding him, looking where they're walking.

Cristina: Okay. But the farthest guy also has to try to get someone to I guess share the news or.

Jack: Yes, they're gonna keep looking at him to make sure he doesn't just vanish or something. Because if he just. Something attacked them, they can say that happened, but eventually they gotta like turn away or something.

Cristina: Yeah. That's why the third guy is not. Doesn't have to pay too much attention because he's trying to wave at somebody or.

Jack: Yeah, they're just already in the neighborhood.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's just a matter of don't lose sight of him ever. Don't lose sight of him ever. The problem is they don't have hella history of. Of sci fi movies to build on logic. You know, if they just had a bunch of media of sci fi media.

Cristina: So you're saying there's no sci fi media in the 50s.

Jack: Not. Not the way they would need to handle this. Oh, they need some particular apathy. We're being bred now to have. Think about the apathy we're slowly building towards everything. It's because something big is coming, and they need us to not freak the f*** out. It's either the coming of Jesus is actually about to happen and most of us are f***** up, or there's some kind of crazy force headed our direction, and the strong are about to survive, and they're trying to make us all the strong. And they know most of us aren't gonna be it. But, you know, prepare as many as you can, okay? And that's. We're getting slowly watered down to just be like, hey, here's a bunch of alien stuff. It's probably alien guys. And everybody was like, cobra.

Cristina: Cool. Sorry.

Jack: Cool. Mission accomplished. You're doing it. They're doing it. But this lady is like, that's kind of weird. So I can't really do much.

Cristina: Or else you guys investigate unless we get.

Jack: Unless we really see what happened. I can't. Like, we can't run to the cops or something. That's crazy.

Cristina: Yeah, that's pretty crazy.

Jack: We got to really go. Look, man, somebody's going to run all the way to the cops and get the cop to come all the way over here.

Cristina: I mean, that is what you do, though.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: You tell the cops.

Jack: Is there even something there? Did something weird happen?

Cristina: I don't know if you truly believe that. I think you'd still call the cops.

Jack: Yes. Luckily, Kathleen is a connected woman, okay? Presumably for reasons we don't have to discuss. As a grown woman, she could do what she wants. I don't know why she's got men who could do her favors at the blink of an eye. But she asks her friend who happens to be a National guard, Eugene Lemonade.

Cristina: 11.

Jack: Yeah, okay. And she. The ridiculous name. I can't even believe this is how the story unfolded. Once I saw this, I'm like, how the. Is this not just a stupid, creepy pasta or something?

Cristina: It's not.

Jack: It's not. I'm like, man, there's real news articles about this thing.

Cristina: Okay, so tell me about Lemon. Mr. Lemon, he investigates.

Jack: So he. He's like, going up there, but everybody's like, we're gonna go check, too, you know, now we got a National Guard. We're good.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We're good. He's got a gun. We're fine. Yeah, so she's going up there. I don't know why she's. I mean, bro, I'm telling you, there's something on about this lady and that guy.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Right? Like, come on. She's like, bro, you want to do me a favor and come check this out. And then she's going to check it out with him. Bro. Kathleen. What have you been up to? Kathleen. But I don't know if she was married. Nothing says she was married again. She's a single woman. As far as I know. She could do what she wants.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They couldn't investigate. So Edward and Fred May join unrelated Kathleen May in order to go to Bailey Fisher's farm.

Cristina: There's just two unrelated MAEs. Not even by cutting.

Jack: I mean we're talking the 50s, bro. We gotta populate somehow. Anyway, so. And they're accompanied by some. The neighborhood kids too. Nunley, Ronnie and you know. Yeah, just a group of kids.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: A group of kids. Tell me this isn't like the setup, the stranger Things. Well, I guess a bunch of kids, some cop like figure and the lady all going to investigate the thing. Except they're from a city.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, they're in the city.

Jack: No, this is in the middle of f****** nowhere.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Well, you just saw this s***.

Cristina: Something many things actually inspired by a lot of crap. Yeah.

Jack: This happened in the time. It's totally be pulling from this for sure. For sure. Okay. So they run, we get there. They arrive to check. Right.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The group reaches the top of the hill and as they get there where they saw the. The object sort of vanish over initially and slow down when they got closer, they. It's dark now by the way. Obviously now it's getting dark. It happened already towards. I guess. Yeah. It was 7:15, which I began with at 7:15.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: All of this happened. They ran. They saw a thing in the sky. They ran times ticking. Clocks of ticking. It was still daylight. Ish.

Cristina: Somebody to come join them.

Jack: So now. Yeah, they get all this. By the time they're getting here, it's like 8, 8 20. And now it's getting dark. So they're arriving there and it's just kind of, you know that very period of. Right. When it became night. When this is darkest point of the night because it's darker than any part of the night. What do they call that? Dusk. Right. The darkest point when it's just pure blackness for a moment. And it was that point of night when they make it to the top of the hill because you know, Chance the universe decided to write their scenario like this. It's half of it sounds like bullshit. They were just too many reports. These people started painting pictures at some point. But they f****** summarize to be like this. It's crazy. Anyways. So they get There. And the first thing that they see. Keep in mind, all eyewitnesses agreed to exactly the same descriptors for what happened that night. That's what makes this trippy. Hella different people moved into isolation and questioned by several different agencies because of the astronomically weird circumstance. All had the same story to incredible detail as decided by government agencies. Interesting. Let us continue. Okay, now, when they get to the top of the hill, all of them notice something really weird. A red glow, faint, sort of like an amorphous blob.

Cristina: Okay. And they think it's the thing that hit the ground or something.

Jack: They have no idea what this has to do with anything.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They have no idea what this has to do with anything. This isn't even where the thing landed. They got to the top of the hill and they saw this thing standing in front of the farm's fence, unrelated to the landing site of whatever that thing was, which they thought was a meteor until this very moment where now they're questioning everything they've ever seen. Because how the h*** do you just have a glowing red aura thing?

Cristina: This is the thing that we see in the picture that they're looking at now. Or.

Jack: No, this is what they claimed. Ultimately the summary of all their descriptions. What? Yeah, this is basically what they saw. So they see this glowing thing and Eugene, the National Guard guy, who's got the flashlight, so he's cool, he's got a flashlight and a gun, is basically Leon Kennedy at this point. And he, he's Hopper, you know, he goes and he flashes the light at the red aura. And when he does the one thing he sees, because nothing else comes back, like blackness, blackness, nothing there. The only thing that makes it through the dark is the red eyes. The aura disappears and we just see red eyes.

Cristina: I guess that, but okay, right now.

Jack: That was disturbing to everybody. So everybody. Oh my God. Yeah, everybody saw the same thing. And they were like, you know, freaked out for a second. Holy. What the f***? Right now descriptions, as soon as he panicked and moved, the light being moved allowed the silhouette of the thing to come into view.

Cristina: Does it look like its head is on fire? Like what's happening?

Jack: So their descriptions go as, follow, standing in front of the fence. Now also, also, I guess we have to describe exactly what happened before I give you the description. They walk to the top of the hill, they see it shine, the thing, the eyes become clear. And when he shifted and got scared, the light came off, revealing the things body. And almost like if it wasn't looking at him, suddenly the Eyes disappear and then they come from the side again. Like his head was somewhere else the whole time and turn to look at him. Trippy. I'll repeat how confusing that is. It was looking. It's like if I'm looking at you right now, my eyes. My whole face is looking forward. And then somehow this image of me looking like this fuzzes up and you.

Cristina: Can'T tell that I'm. That you're looking at me, that I'm.

Jack: Looking at the side. And then I'm suddenly just coming around and looking at you.

Cristina: Oh, weird.

Jack: Yeah. So it looks like I'm looking at you right now. And then my head phases out almost. You can't even tell. It just looks like I get blurry. And then you only notice that it's not me looking at you when I'm starting to turn to look at you.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That happened. And everybody saw it.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Weird. That was confusing. I don't even know how else to point that. I've never heard that description ever. Weird. But they all had that same kind of like, what the f***? We thought it was looking our way and then as a sudden, now it's looking our way and.

Cristina: But it looked. The face looked the same both ways.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Of. It's not looking.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And looking or whatever.

Jack: Strange.

Cristina: Very strange.

Jack: It's an owl, bro. Again, perfect thought.

Cristina: But how tall is it?

Jack: There we go. It was about 10ft tall.

Cristina: That's ridiculous.

Jack: That's ridiculous. That is where they initially got startled. The height of those eyes. Well, had them shook, like, oh, f***. What the h*** is that? And then the thing looking their way.

Cristina: And then what just disappears like. Well, where they freak out and run away.

Jack: Well, they say it looked like some sort of shadowy figure, silhouette of some sort. It appeared to have the glowing visible aura outlining it. That was red. A red aura outlining it faintly. The large glowing crimson eyes. And it seemed to have a tail. They all thought they saw some sort of a tail or something.

Cristina: Any type of description on the tail?

Jack: No, they were. They just claimed tail. I actually wanted to know what kind of like, was it fuzzy or was it this?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The closest thing to a descriptor felt like thin. But it was like the. No, no hair details, no nothing. They were unclear on the size and everything. They were just like. They think it had a tail.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Its shape seemed to be vaguely triangular too. They seem to be point here towards the top and wider towards the bottom, which fits your description of having a skirt. Now here's an interesting thing in describing that triangular Shape. A couple of people said something that I found interesting and fits instantly, which is that it looks like it has a robe.

Cristina: It has a robe pointier towards the top.

Jack: Like a cloak type thing that's on.

Cristina: Top of the head looks or the image, not that that's the actual description. It doesn't look like the thing on its head is actually there. Like that's part of the glow, the aura of this thing.

Jack: Fascinating. Yeah. I think everybody agrees with you. I don't think that the fuzz that's around it is it by any means. It's part of it. I think its head does have some sort of a small hood on it.

Cristina: It has a small hood?

Jack: No. I would say that underneath the dark, its outfit would claim that there's a hood because it looks like the rest of it is a robe.

Cristina: And what's happening to its ribs, though? They describe that better.

Jack: Well, let's look at this again, because I'm thinking you're claiming this outside, this is what you're talking about, right?

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: I don't think that's part of it. I think this outfit that it has looks like some sort of a robe. And maybe this is an exaggeration. And in fact, more like the chair, what it had was some sort of a belt wrapped around it, which is typical of, you know, monks and of, you know, Jesus, like people and of Hermes and things like that, that they get robed up and they tie at the waist.

Cristina: Well, what about the ribs?

Jack: Well, this is what I'm saying. I'm saying that. Yes. I'm saying there's. If anything, if we were to say that this is to look like something familiar. Oh, that would be the belt.

Cristina: Okay. You know, he's in their description, though. They don't say anything about that.

Jack: They don't focus on it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's just a focus point. Not a focus point. It's a point in the outfit that it has or its body shape that was vaguely highlighted but isn't focused on like the rest. So it's, you know, debatable whether it was part of it or not.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because keep in mind, we have a lot of witnesses. So no variations are included in here, only similarities. Although the images show details from variations. As you saw, the chair has a belt and the creature over here has, like, rails or something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But as you're looking, they panic. Tall, giant turns at them after it was looking at them. Weird moment. It's huge, 10ft tall. Looks kind of like it has a skirt or like it has A robe. It has a glowing aura around it and they all notice the same glowing eyes. And another weird detail.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Its weird claw like hands. And its weird claw like hands were like in front of him. He was reaching out for something weird.

Cristina: That is weird.

Jack: Yeah, but it wasn't reaching out towards them, only its head was.

Cristina: When it turned its head was doing what?

Jack: Its head looked at them. Its body.

Cristina: Oh, weird. Okay.

Jack: Very strange. Its behaviors were odd. Now, when Eugene tried to get closer. This is a key detail right here. It vanished into thin air as Eugene described it. Like a cloud. He became less there the closer we got. Weird and familiar.

Cristina: Like from what?

Jack: So much of the crap in Clinton Road.

Cristina: How close was he to it when they first saw it?

Jack: Do you know how close was he to what?

Cristina: The thing. Oh, because he wasn't close to it at all. When he got closer, it disappeared.

Jack: Yes. So the top of the hill to the front was about 100ft apart to the front of the fence where this thing was.

Cristina: Yes. But he got closer then as he.

Jack: Got closer, how close was he by the time it disappeared? Yeah, I have an idea.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So he just got closer and it disappeared.

Jack: Yeah, it was. The distance was anywhere between 150. Between 50 and 100ft.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And as it got close, as they got closer, it just sort of wasn't there anymore.

Cristina: But they don't think of him or this thing as the Mothman.

Jack: They don't think of it as a Mothman.

Cristina: Okay. Because like the whole. It was flying in the sky beforehand. And then I don't know, there's a lot of weird stuff. That's. Okay.

Jack: Mothman adjacent.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, do they think it is.

Jack: So I don't know. They don't have. They just call it literally Braxton county monster.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: And they have no idea what it is. But this thing has very gin like characteristics minus some things here or there. And it's a particularly huge creature. I don't think we've seen gin this size at all. Jin tend to be more human. Like maybe the size of Elysians, which are just taller.

Cristina: Yeah, it's size made me think like it was some type of like Indian God type thing. Like those things are huge, aren't they?

Jack: Or they're description Greek gods or some s***, Right? Yeah, one of those tall Adonis kind of guys, you know. But no, that's kind of weird, the fact that everybody saw all of this. Now the next day, Lee Stewart Jr. Of the Braxton Democrats, which is a news reporter, that's the name of the paper that he works for. Whatever went to investigate and he discovered skid marks on the property of something actually making impact.

Cristina: Okay, weird. That's weird.

Jack: Very strange.

Cristina: You got pictures of that?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Okay, that's curious.

Jack: And after further investigating with some special friends of his, he came up and found there was a gummy clay like substance that was located where the skid marks were. Some weird residue.

Cristina: What did he do with that residue?

Jack: Nothing. He looked at it and was like residue? Yeah, I'm sure they collected it. What were they gonna do with it?

Cristina: I don't know. Take it to the lab, See if it's human?

Jack: Yeah, probably. They did all that, See if it's.

Cristina: Human or it's alien? I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, I guess if it's alien or. I was guessing, like, what kind of metal it was or something. But.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, I guess. Yeah, I guess he wouldn't think. I'm still thinking, like, it's a ship or something. It could be because, like, it landed and this thing came out of it.

Cristina: Oh, well, wouldn't they have seen the thing that landed?

Jack: Yeah, they saw it literally stop and hover.

Cristina: Well, was it that. That they were looking at? Because they never. This said, really a description of the.

Jack: Thing, that's another problem. It flew by quick. It was just a giant bright light in the sky moving that thing, though.

Cristina: That thing is so big. It might have been that thing, like with its head pointy, like it looks like a rocket. It looks like.

Jack: But then what was this cloud? You think when this thing flies, it leaves a trail of fire.

Cristina: It's glowing. It has a glowing aura.

Jack: But the glowing aura they see, you know what it's kind of making. Maybe when it's flying, it's bigger and more luminescent.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting, Interesting. I'm over here thinking, no, those are two unrelated things.

Cristina: It could totally be the same thing.

Jack: It could totally be the same thing, but also it could totally be two unrelated thing. Or not unrelated, but, you know, it could be that this thing came in.

Cristina: A thing, but they found nothing.

Jack: They saw nothing. They got close, it disappeared. They investigated the back of the farm.

Cristina: They didn't see nothing fly away.

Jack: They saw nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. It just wasn't there.

Cristina: That's weird. It's weird that they would say, see it come, but not see it go.

Jack: Yes, there's a lot of weird.

Cristina: It's a lot of weird. Yeah. I don't know. I don't buy their story.

Jack: Weird, right?

Cristina: Yeah, it's too weird.

Jack: Strange story now because of the news reports this kind of got picked up heavily and it got a couple of agencies worried about maybe there is something going on.

Cristina: But did anyone unrelated to this specific group of people see it?

Jack: No.

Cristina: No.

Jack: But this group of people was made up of random people to begin with.

Cristina: But they were still a group of people.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Made of random. Anybody who witnessed it would have been a group of people at that point.

Cristina: Whatever. I would like to hear about a person who was not in the group that saw it.

Jack: Oh, no. I don't know. It was just like.

Cristina: Maybe the guy that owns the farm was looking in his backyard and he saw it or something. Where's that guy?

Jack: I don't even know. That's an interesting question. I don't know where the guy is, but, yeah, they were going to the backyard. They saw nothing. I don't know. It was just weird.

Cristina: And it left. So, like, it didn't leave or it.

Jack: Didn'T leave, so it just wasn't there suddenly as they got closer, which doesn't.

Cristina: Make sense because it got there.

Jack: Like, we don't know it got there. We don't know if these two things are related. Again, because we see something vanish the way it did. It didn't need to arrive the way something did.

Cristina: Yeah. Two unrelated things happened. You're saying two very strange unrelated things happened? I don't know. It's even harder to imagine that these.

Jack: Two things are unrelated until you remember what we've been looking at. Locations that have many weird things happening.

Cristina: Are you saying this location has more than just these two things happening?

Jack: Well, I'm saying that we've found the thing in which there are other things happening.

Cristina: No, I don't buy. Unless there's many things. Is there many more stories of this location or is these two the same? This one story that has two things in it? The story.

Jack: This is the story. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. I don't know if. I don't think it's really. I don't know. It seems pretty random.

Jack: Yeah. I don't know. What the thing in the sky. I don't think the thing in the sky and this other thing have anything to do with each other.

Cristina: How could they not?

Jack: They're two weird things. I don't know what to tell you, man. It disappeared in a way we know with and is familiar. But something arrived in a way we do not know and is not familiar. Unless some. Unless it was just happened to be that a fight between a freaking Elysian and a Shadow Realm creature took place there, and we Saw the Elysian arrive to the fight, and we saw the Djinn leaving it. We know who the victor was, but, you know, like, that's the only real scenario in which, like. I don't know. I don't know what to tell you, but we were clearly looking at some Shadow realm creature, and something else showed up. Maybe it was actually a meteor. That seems very likely.

Cristina: But it was slowing down, so it does not sound.

Jack: No, you're right. It's slowing down is kind of weird.

Cristina: And it was also glowing.

Jack: It was also. Well, it looked like it was on fire.

Cristina: It was. Whatever.

Jack: It was bright. It was blindingly bright.

Cristina: If you saw this thing with the aura in the sky, it probably looks.

Jack: Like it was not blindingly bright. The aura was faint. It was faintly outlined while the thing in the sky was lighting up. The sky made it look like.

Cristina: They don't have any guesses of what the two things are.

Jack: The thing in the sky was seen.

Cristina: By everybody, by the way, in the town.

Jack: Yes. Multiple people saw the light in the sky move across the sky.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The rest of the story now. But people did see that. And the logical conclusion is, I was probably just a meteor.

Cristina: But the. What they saw was in a meteor.

Jack: Exactly. Because the kids that followed it have a completely. A more complete story of events.

Cristina: Yeah. I mean, we don't know if the two things are the same, though. But we know the first thing is a meteor because it was just being weird. It was just hovering or slowing down or something.

Jack: It was being very strange.

Cristina: Do they know how big it looked, though? How big it looked when it was in the sky?

Jack: I don't know. How do you. How do you even know how close it was?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: You know, it's tricky. You see the problem, though, right? How do we have these two very unrelated events happening simultaneously? They must somehow be related, but not in the way. Not in an obvious sense.

Cristina: They obviously don't have any answers. Okay.

Jack: They obviously don't have any answers in.

Cristina: The investigation whether they discover anything else.

Jack: No, they interrogated the people. They found out that the stories lined up up until the points I've discussed. Those are the things that they all had in common, minus the details that didn't, which you've seen some of them in the images, and there was some of the movement behaviors that they would describe. But other than that, like, useless details, I've thrown away.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They didn't know what else. They really got attention. People came in, like, really, like, what the f*** is wrong? These people are making it up and they checked children to make sure. No, it's checked out.

Cristina: Okay. And that chair, who did that? Just a fan.

Jack: Yeah. So based on the descriptions, many, many, many, many iterations of this have been made. And the description of this has actually always been with NASA as a thing to look for. And I didn't know that. They have a list of random things that can't be explained, that in many instances have many witnesses that they look for in sky.

Cristina: Weird. Yeah, but what are they supposed to look for?

Jack: No, just random bright things. Something moving quickly close by that's just bright things like that.

Cristina: Just, you know, interesting.

Jack: So this is something to casually look for.

Cristina: Yeah. We don't know what this is.

Jack: We don't know what this is. Now, obviously, Mothman. You said it a thousand times. Yes, Mothman. Mothman, Mothman. And the Mothman is a definite possibility for what this could be. But I would argue it's something to be more kind of like Mothman if. How do I put it?

Cristina: If something bad happened afterwards.

Jack: No, the idea would be that Mothman is a type of thing. Actually, Mothman is related to somehow to Banshee, right?

Cristina: Oh, yeah, right.

Jack: But Banshee's always been described as a female.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Boom.

Cristina: So this could be a banshee.

Jack: Male banshee. Well, actually, searching this up, putting these descriptors plugging in everything these people talked about, Banshee is the most consistent thing that came up.

Cristina: Weird. Even though I didn't cry or anything.

Jack: Nope. But the descriptors line up clean. It's behavior, but it isn't. Yeah. The one part is that it's not showing up for omens.

Cristina: No one died recently.

Jack: No one died.

Cristina: Not even on the farm animals.

Jack: This was just a really weird indescript moment. Weird, strange, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But a banshee is definitely not it. We know what a banshee is, but there is something called a Kali, a kalaiich, a kaleech, something like that. And it's Celtic in origin, or at least where they first cataloged its existence. Recorded it. Right.

Cristina: What is it?

Jack: It's some sort of a creature that is humanoid in appearance and tends to look like an old lady, sometimes like a banshee, and often shows up in the winter, but has in other cases been shown up, has shown themselves during really vicious storms. Wandering outside in the wilderness, when animals are stampeding across like they're losing control, that's when you'll see this thing in between almost not getting touched.

Cristina: But nothing of that is happening. None of that's Happening.

Jack: None of that's happening. No, but interesting thing about this creature I'm talking about. It would seem to show up when fear is happening. Right. Storms, wilderness, when there's creatures that are unsettled. The winter when it's darker and colder. Interesting choices of appearance, huh?

Cristina: For that thing, yes.

Jack: For this random creature. Now where this creature seems to line up the most is the fact that its physical description is very similar, although its movements are not and its size is not. So that part of the description though. But it looks like it's wearing a hood. It looks like it's wearing a robe that opens into some sort of mid sized skirt type of thing. It looks like it has an aura around it. But it happens to be about five feet tall.

Cristina: Okay, that's not tall enough.

Jack: No, but the Mothman would also be in between both of those heights.

Cristina: How tall is the Mothman?

Jack: The Mothman would roughly be about 7ft.

Cristina: He's not tall enough either.

Jack: No, this thing is about 10ft. I'm thinking different heights for the same kinds of things. These things that have a tendency to only manifest and enjoy manifesting, not even breeding their own, but just rolling up when it's about to happen naturally.

Cristina: But this thing, I don't. So you're saying they got scared of the comet thing and then that created the fear that summoned this creature, this thing.

Jack: Now you're getting it. I think the paranoia of what was it? But something was there because it slowed down.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So there was something happening. The kids were confidently just going to go watch it land and hit set or blow up in the sky or something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then they were like, what the f***?

Cristina: No, Something weird.

Jack: Yeah, they were just kids. They've probably seen this a thousand times. They're like, oh, it's media, let's go check it out. And then it stopped being a meteor before their eyes. And we're like, no, let's stop checking it out right now.

Cristina: I wish they checked it out. I want to know if it was the creature or are there two things happening? I wanna know why? Why didn't they have something?

Jack: Because people have reason why.

Cristina: Why do they?

Jack: Yeah, but I, you know, I was going down the list of possibilities of.

Cristina: Things that they were besides the Mothman.

Jack: Yeah. It definitely wasn't Jinn. It definitely wasn't a Banshee. The problem is that I do believe it's a Kalaich or whatever the crap that is, and I do believe it's a Mothman. I think it's all of the above. But what would These things be a shadow realm creature. Definitely. A hundred percent. They all fit that description for sure.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But now let's check out the Mothman then. Right, because if you look at the Mothman, he first showed up in 1966. That's mad. Years later. That's 14 years later.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Except it also happened in West Virginia.

Cristina: Really? Really.

Jack: It only happened two hours away.

Cristina: What? So it could be the same thing, but the size difference. Maybe it's baby.

Jack: Now, it's described as large, 7 to 8ft tall, winged, with red eyes, and humanoid in appearance. Now, Mothman is messed up because the Mothman is crazy. Right. He has been seen by over 200 people. There's over 200 real world reports on this same thing.

Cristina: Yes. Which makes him way more believable than this other random thing.

Jack: Except he's the same thing. Yes, but he always showed. Showed up. Always. In every instance, before and after something bad happened. He seems to be the. The closest thing to a Banshee possible. Right. Before and after something. Well, the Banshee only shows up before. The fact that he shows up after is crazy. Also, the fact that he shows up before is crazy. Also, the fact that a Banshee shows up before is crazy. Weird fact that Shadow Wyrm creatures know somehow.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They can see the future somehow. Or feel it.

Cristina: Maybe they feel it. Maybe they have some sixth sense to.

Jack: Fear hect the future. Yeah, because they know to go, like sometimes months ahead.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like weird. But again, this Mothman creature does this and he shows up and he's associated with the Silver Bridge collapse, which is the craziest scenario. And many people saw. This is where he was seen by the most people. And then the bridge collapsed and hella people died. Over 200 eyewitnesses. How absurd.

Cristina: And then after that bridge, they stopped seeing him.

Jack: They stopped seeing him after the collapse of the bridge? Well, no, he's been seen on and off. That was just the most massive sighting. Okay, now the idea here would be that whatever this creature is, is a Mothman. But a Mothman doesn't make sense because that creature was described as them by female. They are genders to it. A banshee is also female. Now, we're describing these things in isolation, but the behavior seems to be on point. They're very close in similarity, and they're very close in sort of what they do. They show up before. They never seem to be involved in what's happening.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And they seem to kind of enjoy being there mostly beforehand, minus the Mothman, who shows up after it's also the only male version of this we've seen that happens to show up after as well. Although none of them seem to remain during the tragedy that's occurring.

Cristina: Well, what tragedy would have been the one for this one if this was somehow related?

Jack: For what? The.

Cristina: I don't know. It's got the monster.

Jack: The monster. You know what's interesting? I only thought about this connection right now, but the logical conclusion would have been to see if a tragedy happened in the area.

Cristina: Mm. You know, you did not do that, though, did you?

Jack: I did not, but we have the power of research.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: Maybe it's totally related.

Cristina: They all died.

Jack: They didn't all die. Had nothing to do with them. But about 40 minutes away, there was a. The local hospital that people use from that area, which. God, bro, how far? 40 minutes away to the. You at least have a clinic or some, right? Well, that's crazy. You at least have a clinic or something, bro. That's crazy. I've never heard of some like that Anyways. D***, bro. D***. How many? I guess one hospital would be enough if there's nobody between here and West Bubba, right?

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: Like, one hospital is probably still empty.

Cristina: So what happened though, anyways?

Jack: Yeah, at that hospital. Fire kills 17 people in the hospital.

Cristina: In the same day?

Jack: Or just this happened around the same time following month.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: So, yeah, maybe, I don't know, just random other events. Random thing goes through the sky, random unrelated things shows up, and then a random other thing.

Cristina: Mothman.

Jack: Why Mothman? Specifically, the Mothman is a type of thing.

Cristina: The eyes, I think, is what makes it feel Mothman.

Jack: Right, but what is the Mothman? There's no such thing as a Mothman. A moth is just an Earth side creature.

Cristina: Whatever this is. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, it's some. It should have a name.

Cristina: That's the name we gave it.

Jack: No, that's a name for a thing that's unrelated to the other two things that are in isolation, their own things.

Cristina: I cannot. Can't just call them all Mossman because they're not. Why? What do we do call them?

Jack: I don't know. We need a name for them. I'm sure we can find a name somewhere, put that they all kind of genuinely fit. But it is some sort of Shadowrum creature.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's not an animal like a Win Dingo or wetchudge.

Cristina: It's just a thing that knows when it's about to happen.

Jack: It's. There seem to be several different types of humanoid creatures, and there seem to be different types of humanoid creatures in Elfame as well. In fact, every thing that humans have ever interacted with from that side, other than unicorns, which seem to not even be from that side.

Cristina: Yeah, humanoid.

Jack: Yeah, they're all high intelligence. But I would argue that it looks like the Shadow Realm has the most. Without counting that. Like us versus Shadow Realm. But we also have a bunch of crap that we're just. The problem is we are oppressive as f***.

Cristina: I don't know. We're probably equal to the. Well, we are in the Shadow Realm where it's shadow. Where is the Shadow Realm? Shadow. So I don't know.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Look like them. They don't look like us.

Jack: We look like them. They don't. I mean. Yeah, they've been around longer, right?

Cristina: Yeah, he made us out of that.

Jack: Yeah. No, it seems that there is some now. Okay. There's originally a creature called a strix that was first written about in Greek mythology. And they described it as a bird of ill omen, often depicted as an owl or a bat like creature.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The next part is incredibly informative. And it feeds on human flesh and fear. Blood. Oh, interesting.

Cristina: Shadow Realm creature.

Jack: It stopped being one the moment I told you. What I told you.

Cristina: Blood.

Jack: The blood. It is a Shadow Realm creature, but it wasn't always a Shadow Realm creature. I think we have just found what the f*** an owl looks like when it consumes adrenochrome.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And I think all these other. Keep in mind the descriptors line up and they are always giant, like weird, tall standing.

Cristina: But we never catch it feeding though.

Jack: We never catch it feeding. But we do know that owls are particularly vicious hunters.

Cristina: You think if they are bodies, they're just. They're just gone. Whatever the bodies are.

Jack: I don't know. But also like it could. Again, this is just a descriptor that the Greek have, right. Of a creature that lines up. It's a bird that shows up during bad omens. But what happens? We know that different creatures take adrenochrome. Their intelligence rises dramatically. I mean some of them, some of them don't, but. Interesting. So then what would happen with an owl? This. The fact that this thing gets so humanoid, so astoundingly humanoid. But many different bird like things are not different. They're all the same. The size is really the variation here.

Cristina: I think the arms relate to birds and that's why you said before with the arms.

Jack: A lot of people tried to debunk this and a lot of the conclusions. The problem is that One person's explanation would be broken by the other. But collectively you could kind of solve.

Cristina: Here and there, someone said birds.

Jack: Somebody thought maybe there was a bird actually standing there that got caught in trees and had crap hanging off of it. And the hands were actually just holding on to the fence.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And so what you're seeing, and it's a tall fence, so this, it's a fence to stop animals, horses from leaping over it and s***. So you got this tall a** fence and then you got a bird perch on top of it. And they're saying that now again, warped, obviously. How the h*** is this tiny little bird gonna have these giant arms sticking in front of it? But, you know, as people trying to figure out. Yeah, like, hey, what's the logical conclusion to this? Or whatever. It never got summed up. And that's why real forces came in, interrogated people and like, well, crap, maybe there is something. But the closest I could find to a name is strix.

Cristina: That's cool.

Jack: And a strix is essentially the Greek breaking down what sounds like an owl that had a drink.

Cristina: Yeah, Yeah, I think this makes sense. That could be what we're looking at in the real world.

Jack: Definitely be what we're looking at. And again, how it behaved was very owl, but only the one in the farm. Because maybe the lady leans more towards a banshee.

Cristina: What lady?

Jack: I mean, not the lady. What am I talking about?

Cristina: The Mothman.

Jack: The Mothman. Maybe the Mothman leads more towards a banshee, a male banshee. And the kiliage is more like, why.

Cristina: Do you think the Mothman is the male banshee?

Jack: Its behavior is identical.

Cristina: Yeah, like, why are you making it a male?

Jack: I guess you're making it a Mothman.

Cristina: Yes, exactly. But like, that's a dumb name. That's describing something. But like, is it a man? Can people tell that it's a man? Like, it could definitely just be a female. Yeah, it could just be a banshee.

Jack: The banshee has been described as a female. It's not an animal. Banshee. Yeah, it's a lady. It's a lady. It's always a lady. There's always something off about her. But like, physically there's something that they can't quite like. I would argue those descriptions lean into an imitation that isn't perfect, but you can't tell where it's not perfect.

Cristina: Okay. But for a Mothman, there's no way you can think it might be a lady. It's for sure a man that they're.

Jack: Looking at if the mothman has been described as having broaden shoulders. But that could still be a female. Anyways, this is pretty much all I've got.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think the thing that happened at the farm was we were looking at shadow room creatures. A Shadow Realm creature. I have no. I. I think it was a meteor and a shadow room creature. And maybe the owl happened to intersect and you see both happening simultaneously. The fear that they felt or excitement. I don't know. It was excitement.

Cristina: Meteor is too weird to think that that was an actual.

Jack: I know something weird did happen, but I didn't. I looked. I couldn't find anything. It kind of just looks like it was a meteor. Until they're just. Maybe they were met their minds mess with them. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. That there was a tragedy did happen eventually.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I don't know. It's weird.

Cristina: Maybe the thing made it see things. Made them see things. Maybe they. It was around.

Jack: It's a Pokemon. It's not that. Well, it's using psychic on them.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. And that's why. That explains the head turning. But it's not turning.

Jack: Because that is interesting. It's causing illusions.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It made them see the thing in the sky and follow the thing in the sky. Which brought the curiosity. Oh. Luring them to get. Maybe it was trying to feed.

Cristina: Maybe it was.

Jack: Oh, maybe they just saved themselves by actually getting that National Guard. Making it too bright. And that was like. No. Because the fear left. Light came. Fear left. They were confident suddenly.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: You know. That they were willing to walk forward onto it. The light made them safe. Which explains why light has always been the. If you can see, it's not the unknown. Right. And sort of like you feel better if you can see.

Cristina: It might be saving these people.

Jack: Light literally saves from the Shadow Realm creatures. I've never thought about how logical that is and why we would call them Shadow Realm creatures then. Because if there's more light, there's less fear. Because you understand your surroundings better.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's natural fear when you don't know your surroundings.

Cristina: And that's why all those Clinton stories. Yeah.

Jack: Because you don't know your surroundings. Duh. Night is the most obvious time for anything from the shadow realm to get through. Because fear just kind of goes up the more the unknown comes up.

Cristina: Perfect.

Jack: Duh. Oh man. It was so obvious.

Cristina: Very.

Jack: Hermes always knew. He's like. It's always been in front of you. You just gotta think about it, right, bro?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we're like, so slow. We're so behind. We try so much. We're so behind. But little by little, every new location, we learn a little something new.

Cristina: I think we did. I don't know what it was, but we learned something.

Jack: We learned that light actually stops problems to some degree.

Cristina: It helps.

Jack: It helps against shadow creatures because it illuminates.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And thus we probably nickname them in return, the shadow creatures.

Cristina: It makes perfect sense.

Jack: Anyways, that's all we have. If you guys have anything to talk about, to tell us, any information you know about anything we discuss, let us know. But also challenge us to relate. Anything. Yes, challenge us. I dare you. And you can do that at our socials, at just Convopod. That's on Tick Tock, on Instagram, on Facebook, on X, everywhere.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe. Right. And review the show.

Jack: Yes. And word of mouth is the most overpowered thing that's ever existed. So be sure to tell people about the show.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.in fox art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister. With social media managed by Amber Black.

November 12, 2022

Rambling 200: The Jersey Devil

November 12, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

What is the origin of the Jersey Devil? What would the Jersey Devil even be? Are there other creatures similar to the Jersey Devil? The Duo unpack one of Jersey’s weirder mythologies, and deep dive into the reality of the matter when it comes to the Jersey Devil and what creatures could have fueled the inception of this tale.

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Topics Discussed:

Weird New Jersey
Benjamin Franklin
Jersey Devil
Mystical Creatures
The Chupacabra
Banshees
Strange Birds
Rare Bats

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October 08, 2022

Rambling 195: Volcano Diving

October 08, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

What is a volcano? Where is a volcano? Who is a volcano? The duo unpack to Volcano or not to Volcano after last week’s episode posed the question of whether volcano diving could be a thing. But the can of worms opened in this investigation is astoundingly new and absurdly familiar, leading to a conclusion no one could have imagined!

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Topics Discussed:

Volcano Diving
Cherufe Volcano Monster
Virgin Sacrifice
Magma Flamingos
Steam Iguanas
How do Volcanoes Work?
Earth’s Skin and Heart
Magma Chamber
Shapeshifters
Volcanic Eco System

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: Now, Christina, your other. The host, Christina, listen to me. Last week on Dragon Ball Z, we were talking about the possibility of a person volcano diving. Because they dropped something in a volcano.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah. So I thought it was really interesting and I wanted to know what the possibilities of that were. The possibility of just going inside of a volcano and not dying.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So in doing so, you know, got the team together and we were like, what do we know about volcanoes?

Cristina: They're hot.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, they're definitely hot. But somebody raises their hand and says, well, we can ask the creature we got from there.

Cristina: Getting creature from there.

Jack: Yeah. I don't even remember this ever happening. But there's other. Apparently. I mean, yes, obviously there's other quests and s*** that happen that we're not really like, touching. So there's other crap that has like, it. You gotta understand, to listeners, it sounds like we are exclusively the only ones do it. But no, not really. We're two of quite a few Pokemon trainers.

Cristina: I don't know, like, we're just catching them all.

Jack: No. People who work for in this line of business and are the types of people that we are.

Cristina: We're not enslaving all these creatures though, right? We're.

Jack: We don't. Would require us to give them jobs that they aren't getting paid for.

Cristina: Are they getting paid?

Jack: No. Why would we be paying them? We also don't have. They're not doing labor for what?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: These creatures were testing and experimenting on figuring out what the h*** they are. That is the old. What would we pay them for?

Cristina: We're testing them. We're doing experiments on them.

Jack: Yes. Not like school tests. Can you read?

Cristina: No.

Jack: Like experiments. Yes. They're just creatures. It's like a dog or some s***.

Cristina: If you were to test against their will, though.

Jack: If. Okay, presumably, I guess. But like, let's say you're gonna run an experiment about cancer and you caught a rat and you're gonna use the chemicals you got on the rat. Did you get the rat's permission?

Cristina: No.

Jack: Then what is the problem? What am I missing?

Cristina: Some of these creatures aren't like rats. They're equal to like us, aren't they?

Jack: Right. And this creature is.

Cristina: Which creature?

Jack: The creature. I've not even mentioned. Which is how the point is here. Exactly.

Cristina: Well, I'm just talking about the creatures because you said we have. We talk to many creatures. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: And so we have this creature to communicate with about things that are happening.

Cristina: What's the creature?

Jack: Well, the creature I will get to is a creature that lives in a volcano or used to live in a volcano, which is the point I'm ultimately trying to make. That we have information about what happens inside of a volcano was what I was ultimately trying to circle back to. And that kind of serves the idea. So I didn't really know we had a creature that lived in a volcano. So I kind of immediately stopped giving a s*** about my original plan, which was to find out about the possibilities of living inside of a volcano. Because question answered, yes, things live inside of a volcano.

Cristina: Many things. Does this creature know of other creatures, or is this like one of a race of creatures?

Jack: There's different types of things living on volcanoes, but there's essentially this one creature is called a Sharuf or a. It's a Sharuf, I guess. And so it's. It's kind of like if you were to play Legend of Zelda and you were to go to Death Mountain and there's like, rock people.

Cristina: It's a rock person.

Jack: Well, I said it's kind of like, because it's also a glass person, it's made out of magma rock and, like, glass and stuff, which is all the stuff that exists in a volcano.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so this creature is made out of that stuff. And I was like, okay, so it's weird that we've not talked about this before. I know. We don't get told everything that happens. Like, what would be the point, right? We just do our jobs, they do their jobs, whatever. But, like, that's interesting. And I didn't know about the thing, so we got this thing, and it's just made out of it leaves. It lives in the water part, like the pool. Like the literal lava section of the volcano.

Cristina: In the lava.

Jack: In the lava. Like it. Not in it, but like, it walks. It's. It could swim in it.

Cristina: And what part of the world is this thing from?

Jack: Any volcano.

Cristina: Any volcano.

Jack: It's a volcano creature.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They just exist in volcanoes.

Cristina: But what people spread this story of this creature that they know about.

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: Where did this story come from? This creature.

Jack: This didn't come from the store. This creation come from a story. This creature just. We have it in one of our facilities. And I found out when I Was asking about it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And so we just got this thing sitting there, and it's from the inside of a volcano. I don't. What group of people shared stories of them? I'm sure that, like, there's different, definitely weird things that have happened. For example, it used to scare people in ancient times. And then we've actually sort of talked about this creature in the past without even knowing, because we have heard stories, but the stories aren't necessarily tied to any specific culture over these stories. Well, we're very familiar with the people who take virgins to the mouth of a volcano and throw them in. And that's because that's kind of the only way to stop this creature from leaving the f****** volcano and coming and killing everybody in the town. Because it eats flesh. But if you give it this really potent virgin flesh, it's good for a while.

Cristina: What? That's how it works. Yeah.

Jack: So that actually explains how we had the whole, you know, toss a virgin in there to please the God thing. It's too totally not a God. It's just not a s*** that lives in there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This is a monster of some sort.

Cristina: But they're treating it as a God.

Jack: They didn't know what the f*** it was back then. Now we know, and we just easily captured to the point that it was like some afterthought we never heard about.

Cristina: Does the version have to be a woman? Can it be an animal?

Jack: I haven't the slightest clue.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: I just know that that's kind of where this originally came from. It's. It's also. It's weird. But also there are stories, quote stories of the Sharuf. The Sharuf. And that it creates ardent stones in the volcano, which are what magicians essentially use. You know, the stones you would essentially put the runes on.

Cristina: It makes those.

Jack: It makes stones.

Cristina: Yeah, it makes art and stones. Like, people have found ardent stones. Huh?

Jack: Ardent stones, the ones you would put the runes on.

Cristina: Runes?

Jack: Runes, magical symbols that do power and whatnot.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You would put these runes on top of the ardent stones and. Oh, well, that's where they get magic. So this is how it goes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The rune doesn't have power, It's a symbol. The rock has power. It has energy. The rune controls the power inside the rock.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Where did the people get the runes?

Jack: I. They made them up.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Or space told them. I don't know. How do people come up with stuff? How did magicians come up with the runes that they use magic for? I don't know. They Tested stuff, I guess, like drew things here and there.

Cristina: I thought you said art in stone though, like no art.

Jack: Yeah, but yeah, yeah. So it's, it's magical.

Cristina: Mm. The creature is magical though.

Jack: Well, the creature isn't necessarily magical as much as it is some crazy like thing that eats people.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Again, it's, it's just a creature. Yeah, it's not like some interdimensional thing. It's not a fairy by any means. Didn't come from the shadow realm or anything. It's just like a thing that lives on Earth. That lives on Earth inside the volcano.

Cristina: Not a shadow creature at all.

Jack: Not a shadow creature, just one of those weird things that's here. And it's also not like a chimera.

Cristina: It's not a camera. What does it look like an animal though?

Jack: It looks humanoid. It looks like a, like a humanoid series of rocks and lava and glass. Like put together. An easier way to think about it would be imagine if you made a entire human body out of nothing but lava and then you took a bunch of rock and glass and coated the outer layer of that lava with these rock and glass. And now you have what looks like a bunch of rock and glass moving around with glowing magma between the cracks.

Cristina: That's horrifying.

Jack: So yeah, this is basically what the creature is.

Cristina: Well, it, that is a scary looking creature.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, that's a f****** nuts creature. But what's interesting about the Sharuf is that it's not the only creature living where it lives. And it so, so much, so much stranger than the fact that it's not the only creature that lives where it lives is that the other creatures that live where it lives are absolutely just boring degrees of normal creature.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Normal animal looking or animal behaving creatures.

Jack: It's not even like animal looking or animal behaving, you know, it's literally animals. Real animals, just real animals. For example, there is a flamingo. A flamingo that just chills sometimes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In, around. It's weird. It hangs out in the hottest parts because its skin is absolutely so tough. No way, I swear to you. And so this flamingo is well known for just kind of chilling in volcanoes.

Cristina: We're looking at real flamingos.

Jack: Yeah, flamingos that chill in extremely hot conditions. They, their ridiculously tough skin can hang out in the water that's essentially boiling other crap alive.

Cristina: What, what do they do there?

Jack: They live there. They eat the plants that survive there, the little critters that survive there and all that kind of crap.

Cristina: There are more Than so there's plants that survive.

Jack: I mean everybody knows that there's in magma areas. There's conditions that allow for certain things to come to life.

Cristina: I was not expecting flamingos.

Jack: Yeah. Like I said, it's absolutely weird. It's weirder that they're this normal.

Cristina: That is ridiculously normal. And they're hanging out with this other creature.

Jack: Yes, well, this other creature is literally inside the lava that would melt all of this other.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Like these are just in proximity to the creature.

Cristina: They're never going inside that volcano or anything.

Jack: They can chill kind of in the volcano without going to the lava. Because a lot of these birds just hang out on the rim. Weird.

Cristina: That is so.

Jack: But they're fine. They can handle the heat. It doesn't bother them in the slightest way. What?

Cristina: Wow. But they.

Jack: Look, man, they're just flamingos.

Cristina: They're just flamingos. Yeah.

Jack: But flamingos in general what. Tend to have tough skin and these flamingos have extra tough skin that allows them to survive those conditions.

Cristina: Ridiculous.

Jack: But weird that these. I mean, I guess it's not weird because one of the other creatures is an iguana.

Cristina: That doesn't sound as weird.

Jack: Yeah. When you think about it. Because the iguana actually needs to fight. Well, here's a problem. They're cold blooded and they need the heat.

Cristina: Mm. How's that a problem?

Jack: Well, it's not necessarily a problem. I'm sending cold blooded and they need the heat. That makes them more normal.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To be in a really hot place.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. That makes. That's not crazy.

Jack: It's like all the lizards that live in the desert.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Except this one lives in the desert where there's moisture. So it has both the really hot and the water.

Cristina: But it also hangs out around volcanoes.

Jack: Yeah, this is basically hanging out in a volcano. It hangs out in, in and around the volcano in all the areas that aren't so hot that would bake to death this. Essentially all these creatures would hang out in all these areas that are so hot to kill everything else but not kill them.

Cristina: That is so crazy. The flamingo is still very shocking.

Jack: Well, that's nowhere near as shocking as the weirdest one. Because at least it's a bird. It's a bird. Birds go weird places. Birds go up, up, you know, volcanoes, mountains. Volcanoes are mountains.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: With a whole. Well, not really. But we see them that way.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: You know, and animals see them that way too because it's an uphill that you can avoid. Crap.

Cristina: So what is this? So this Third thing is way more weirder than a flamingo.

Jack: It's a finch.

Cristina: Finch. That's a bird too, isn't it?

Jack: This particular bird, I don't even know how to begin to explain it.

Cristina: Okay, why from all the photos you can pick up this bird, you chose the scariest one.

Jack: It's not the scariest, and I will explain why. Okay, so this ground finch, they have evolved a particular set of characteristics. You could say that in order to supplement their diet, that they would usually get from like a cacti, nectar and pulp and, you know, normal bird stuff. Yeah, yeah. Other birds, eggs and junk like that. In order to supplement that. Because they don't normally find as much stuff up there. They find plants and crap, but they're not getting the exact plants they want because the cactus is going to survive. There's too much moisture. You know, they have developed the ability to pull the nutrients out of blood, so they have become vampiric and kill creatures.

Cristina: I was thinking when I looked at this photo, is it vamp?

Jack: Yeah, it's called the vampire ground finch.

Cristina: Ah.

Jack: And it just chases the blood.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Yeah. Which then makes way more sense how the f****** demon that's down there basically lives there because, yeah, there's s*** literally begging for blood. Here's what's interesting about this.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Why the f*** doesn't this creature turn? And I think it has to do with the fact that in their environment it's normal to die and be attacked. Like the adrenaline they feel when they're dying isn't creating enough to create adrenochrome.

Cristina: You're talking about the bird itself.

Jack: Bird being vampiric. It's killing crap that isn't fearing the way it should fear in order to create adrenochrome that then turns opposite to the wolves drinking the blood of the fallen soldiers who suck were horrified when they were dying.

Cristina: Yeah, or the clouds.

Jack: Yes, exactly. In the case of the bird. Birds attacking other birds, and these birds aren't producing enough adrenaline to then create adrenochrome in the first place. So these birds stay birds and nothing changes.

Cristina: Are you sure? Because it looks so disturbing.

Jack: Well, the question would be. And. And think about this real hard. This is. This is my theory, and this is a. If this theory turns out to be true, then we know significantly less than we thought about adrenochrome and the effects it has on bodies. The theory goes the bird does in fact get the adrenochrome from the bodies of these, but rarely. Once in a blue, there's enough concentration, that works as adrenochrome. And these vampire ground finch then go through the transformation that turns him into a sharif.

Cristina: Wait, what?

Jack: The creature in the volcano.

Cristina: In the volcano is the rare case.

Jack: In which a finch does get the adrenochrome from the blood and goes through a transformation. But then it requires what? It requires more. From who? The people who'd be the most scared. Yeah, the young people, usually females, are more scared because we program that into society. You are weak and fragile and so you feel the most fear. So it makes more sense. The younger and the more female you are, the more adrenal chrome you produce because you have more adrenaline because of the fear in your body.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So then you throw that into the thing, you calm the creature down, it can feed on that for a while. But it came from potentially a bird.

Cristina: That's possible because the creature doesn't have to look like the original creature.

Jack: No, it does not.

Cristina: Does not. And they get smarter with adrenochrome. Right, like this thing. What?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I wish there was some clue though that it was related somehow.

Jack: They seem so astoundingly unrelated.

Cristina: Exactly. Yes. Except for that there's the blood, I guess.

Jack: Yes, exactly. So it's a weird place to be in that. There is a bird that's potentially this rock monster.

Cristina: Whaat?

Jack: This is another way to think about it. Look at how I describe the Sharuf looking. If you were to put magma in the middle and surround it with glass and rock, you get the Sharuf. Now here's what's weird about this. If it is the case, this isn't a bird by any means, it came from a bird. Meaning adrenochrome allows the transformation to take place with things surrounding you, or at least adapting so roughly to the environment that you're in that you can resemble it. So it might simply look like it's made out of magma, rock and glass. But it's still some form of a biological creature like all the other creatures that take adrenochrome. Why would it suddenly become a rock? It's just so different now. The glow, hard to explain, but that doesn't mean anything because we have electric eels that exist and we're giving this creature the ability to become hyper intelligent. And many creatures do literally get magic and other powers. So we're not in a crazy stretch to say that somehow it's glowing and its environment allows it to radiate so hot that itself works like lava. But this is all because of where it lives and taking Trinochrome at the same time. And during the transformation, it takes those factors into consideration. Boom. Which means environmental, environment. The environment in which you're changing. When you take the adrenochrome effects what you turn into.

Cristina: But also, a lot of these creatures seem to choose what they look like sometimes.

Jack: So when has that happened?

Cristina: Like, don't they. I thought one.

Jack: It's always random.

Cristina: It feels like they do it specifically to scare, though.

Jack: And when. What. Who.

Cristina: I tried to think.

Jack: There's no example of that. No creature has chosen anything.

Jack: A lot of them tend to be scary, but that's because they stop taking adrenochrome, go feral, and then do crazy s***.

Cristina: Mmm. I feel like there was something, but I can't remember. I feel like it was related to the werewolves, but I don't know.

Jack: There's a bunch of variants of werewolves, but there's like, the werewolf and the lycan. Those are two different. One is consistently using the adrenochrome, the other one isn't. And then when they pass on, regardless of either or. They would both, in either case become either a wendigo or a wetchudge. The wetchudge being the feral version and the Wendingo being the non pharaoh version.

Cristina: Wouldn't this have a pharaoh and non pharaoh version?

Jack: Well, yes, but we don't know what the non. What the feral version looks like because we just have the one that's been.

Cristina: We just know about one creature.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Lava creature.

Jack: No. In theory. There's more we can find. But it could just be so rare.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That, you know, we'd have to find them. But there is the fact that this is a thing at all that is kind of interesting to begin with.

Cristina: Yes. That there's a bird that's drinking blood.

Jack: Yeah. It's potentially becoming this s***. But this just made me curious about how are there creatures living on volcanoes at all? Like what? Like what?

Cristina: Like why? Well, I guess we know why.

Jack: Because. Survival.

Cristina: Survival.

Jack: Yeah, but how the f***, you know, like, how is this possible? But, like, Jeff Goldblum continues to tell us, nature finds a way. Nature fight. And he's saying it in a movie, too. Nature finds a way. That's his line. That's just what he's known for from now on because it became so iconic before. Nature finds a way.

Cristina: Yes, but.

Jack: So let's break it down. What is a volcano? We got to rationalize this in order to try to understand how things are hanging out there. So let's begin. A volcano is just essentially a hole.

Cristina: It's a hole.

Jack: Right. It's a hole in the ground, specifically on the surface level, that allows passage to the under levels where the magma hangs out and then the magma spews out. And we call it a volcano.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess with the. The gr. The hole is erupting or whatever.

Jack: Yeah. When the hole is spitting like magma and like ash and gas and crap, we're like, that's a volcano. Whatever. But that's the. The volcano is complicated because the volcano is kind of the process, not the thing.

Cristina: Process.

Jack: Yeah. Let me explain. A fissure is where the magma comes from, the ash comes from, the gas comes from. A fisher spits out all the stuff that we look at, and we're like a volcano Fisher. The fisher. It's like a water fisher. You go to, like this, where the water poles and like steam. What is it called? Hot springs. And hot springs tend to have, like, steam fissures.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that's essentially what we're calling where the lava and magma and ash and gas comes from. That's what we look at. We're like, oh, now when we look at a big mountain thing, and we're like, that's a volcano. Well, sort of.

Cristina: Sort of.

Jack: Because what we're looking at that looks like a giant smooth rock outside is just dried lava. That's not a mountain and that's not a volcano. Again, the volcanoes. The process, specifically this is just a part of something that happens.

Cristina: The volcano is not the object.

Jack: No, it's a process. So when you look at the typical drying of a volcano, that's kind of like a flat top and then like a triangle coming out of that. The triangle out of that. We just call that a volcanic cone because that's all lava. The dried dry magma that created that form. Yeah, that's not the volcano. That's just some s*** that dried on during the volcanic process.

Cristina: But there's no volcano then.

Jack: There's no such thing as, like a physical volcano. But also. Yes, because it's the only thing that has the process. So we're calling the collection of these things. It's like an engine isn't a car, A piston isn't a car. The tires aren't a car, the chassis isn't a car. But you kind of put all the things together in a car kind of happens.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Okay, so there's no volcano. There's magma gases, glass, molten rock. There's fissures. There are volcanic cones, but all of these things together are the volcano.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But the fissure alone is just a fissure where magma comes from.

Cristina: Are there fissures without magmas?

Jack: Yeah, there's a bunch of water fish. It's the most common type of fish in the world.

Cristina: Oh, okay. And that just spews out water. Water. Hot water. Yeah. Can lava come out through there eventually or no.

Jack: If a crazy catastrophe happened, broke down everything below that that then allowed magma from way deeper. Although it's the same concept. It's just the magma is coming from deeper.

Cristina: Deeper.

Jack: Yeah. The fissure is coming from the top layer. That's water. Magma is underneath the crust while water sits on top of the crust. Even the water coming up from fissures is really water that's still on top of the crust. It's sea level at most. It has to be because it's f****** water. But it's the same idea. It's underneath the. Underneath the ground and there's enough hot air that's making it bubble and spew up as the air is trying to leave.

Cristina: Okay, that makes sense.

Jack: So the same process takes place during the volcanic eruption. A bunch of the hot gases underneath the magma that's collected into rocks and stuff starts to bubble up. And the pressure, it builds up because it's already hot. The pressure builds up with it, keeps making more and more and more gas, then spews upward. It actually breaks the magma that's solidified and shoots that up into the air a lot of the time with such ferocity that on top of it being the magma from the bottom, creating the heat that shoots the first layer of rock. And then because you see the spew.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Goes out so far that it becomes ash in the sky and gases fly up and there are rocks flying, but very few. And in that process a lot of these rocks in the air even catch fire. That's when you see the whole. But there's also lava chunks flying here and there.

Cristina: That's horrifying.

Jack: But the majority of the magma isn't what's spewing upward. That's the hard s*** that was getting out of the way. Because the magma is just kind of going to go up and slide downwards.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's the real. The cap is what we're seeing blow up. There's a lid because cold air is hitting the hot lava and it's no longer active. And then it kind of creates a sheet and kind of like ice forming on a lake.

Jack: It's wetter down, but more frozen on top.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, Same idea. The colder air while the air is hitting the top, cooling the top and the bottom Stays.

Cristina: Yeah. So there's lava still under there.

Jack: Yes. And then these processes create the definition between a dormant volcano and an active volcano. Which is a dormant volcano still has all the same features than an active volcano does. But it doesn't seem to be ready or actively creating anything while a active volcano is still bubbling and creating gases. These gases usually spurs out through fissures and other locations, even the very eye of the volcano.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But they disperse enough to not have an eruption, although the eruptions can still happen at any moment.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: If the proper buildup happens.

Cristina: But an inactive one won't ever.

Jack: No, that's incorrect. An extinct volcano won't. That is a volcano that has zero activity. It could not revert to an active one, while a dormant one could eventually wake up. Now, it's interesting we would use these terminologies to talk about volcanoes in the first place because of the nature of the volcano, that it's a piece of the Earth in theory. You know, this is how we discuss it in science, how we talk about volcanoes. It's just part of Earth, natural process of Earth. But having one asleep and one awake. Interesting language choices, especially with the aggressive nature that they have and the fact that we know clouds and hurricanes and things kind of also share their own ecosystem.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So I wonder if there's anything to the terminology, sleeping and awake, like volcanoes are alive. Yeah. If they were moving, it'd be easier to understand this thought. But the fact that we now have a rock monster, essentially, unless we can prove it, is in fact the evolved state of this bird after adrenochrome. That means what we consider to just be solid. Like inanimate things could, in theory, have life in ways we don't understand, which we've had many, many episodes ago. We've had these conversations about what could ultimately be conscious. But now we're talking about something that seems totally inanimate, behaving the way other humanoid creatures do. Kind of complex. Also. Why would this bird become humanoid? So many problems here.

Cristina: What? There's people that become like chickens.

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: In their transformation.

Jack: Who?

Cristina: There was a witch in Mexico or something that becomes a chicken.

Jack: The Baba Yaga?

Cristina: No, some other creature. And you have to, like, pray and to get it rid of it, but it thirsts for baby blood.

Jack: Oh, sh. Wait, we talked about this before.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, crap. Okay, interesting. So I guess, yeah. Point being that. What about these volcanoes? How do we apply that same logic to these volcanoes? Is it the mouth? Is it their body? Is the. If the process is the volcano. Then there isn't anything to talk about. We're just using crap terminology.

Cristina: Yeah, that's true.

Jack: Because there isn't a volcano. There's parts that make up a volcano.

Cristina: It's the actual Earth.

Jack: Yes, exactly. And we know the Earth is alive. So this is some physical process.

Cristina: The Earth popping a pimple? Could be. It feels like that, I guess, in a way, because, like, yes, it wakes up and goes to sleep, but it's the Earth itself choosing, not choosing. I guess it's just happening to it.

Jack: Yeah, it's a process of. But it's always in the same place. You know, the locations where the fissures are. It could be a way to think about it. Pours pores. Fishes are pores. Interesting. Fissures all over the place are pores. That's sweat. That's heat expelling through holes on the surf, on the skin of the Earth.

Cristina: The Earth sweats. Oh, my gosh. That makes sense.

Jack: The Earth sweats.

Cristina: Yeah, I mean, it's really hot inside.

Jack: But those would be the fissures. Water coming out. Water fissures. Then what's happening with magma? Interesting. Right, we're back to the pimple idea. Fours are significantly smaller then pimples are. They're almost micro. I mean, they're not microscopic, but they're. They're very tiny. You would require a microscope to see one.

Cristina: Mm. Pimples know.

Jack: Pimples know.

Cristina: They are like pimples. They are like pimples. But then, like, what else does the Earth have that is similar to the human body? I guess.

Jack: What do you mean? There's a bunch of crap happening? There's a core that allows everything else to function. That's either the heart of the brain or both simultaneously existing. There are tunnels underground overground that behave as a vein system or a artery system. If we assume the water is artery and the lava is the veins, then we have a perfect circulatory system happening for Earth. Many pathways of water on the inside, Many pathways of magma traveling on the inside. And again, the magma goes all the way to where the core, where the heart is. There's a lot of similarities. The heart of the Earth has magma, the blood of the Earth, leading outward to the surface to the extremities. And similar to popping a pimple, sometimes blood comes out.

Cristina: Ugh. Okay.

Jack: And similar to people pores all over the place, which are the fishers, and.

Cristina: Then is the ash. Like when you're popping a blackhead or something, like the dirt that's stuck in there.

Jack: I guess.

Cristina: That'S so crazy. So there's no volcanoes. Or they are. They're mountains then, are they? Not mountains either.

Jack: There are mountains with a fissure cutting through it. That. Or I guess not really. There are mountains built on top of or that happen on top of volcanoes.

Cristina: That are not related.

Jack: Like, they're not related. Like the. The top surface happens to be a mountain, and the mountain that has a fissure somewhere on the inside that, when that erupts, will create a giant hole or blow the top of a mountain. But what we think about when we see a volcano, that shape. That's not a mountain.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That is just some thing that happened as a product of gravity and the magma kind of rolling down, creating that triangular form. So, no, it is not a mountain. A volcano is factually not a mountain.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, there are volcanoes that can have weirder shapes that maybe perhaps help reduce the. The visual of what we think are mountain volcanoes. There are like shield volcanoes there. They have a slope so gradual that they kind of just look like a dome to some degree instead of like pointy. They just got like a. Like a shield volcano. It's got the shape of a shield.

Cristina: It's called the shield.

Jack: Yeah, it's got the shape of a shield. And these volcanoes are very known for. You've probably seen videos of these online where they're not known for a giant explosion and a bunch of magma leaking, but rather slow magma pressing out of the fissure slowly and then gradually rolling. And then people come and visit these places, take photos of lava rolling around and s*** like that.

Cristina: What, people are just hanging out and.

Jack: Yeah, you've probably seen videos of this. People go and just take shots or photos or whatever of rolling lava. They're going to these volcanoes where it's super safe. I mean, minus the lava part.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But otherwise, unless the lava suddenly decided to stand up and start running towards you.

Cristina: Yeah, pretty stand on the lava.

Jack: Exactly. Like, you'd be pretty good at that point.

Cristina: Okay. Is there other types of volcanoes?

Jack: Well, most of the features we've talked about are types of volcanoes. I guess you could say there's cone volcanoes, but those are just, again, something that happened. Okay, so all of the instances of what a volcano is are wrong because a volcano is really the process. And we're just calling all these different things volcano.

Cristina: But they're not.

Jack: But they're not, because the process is volcano. So the shield volcano is a way in which the magma rolls and dries. So is the cone volcano.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: A way in which it moves A super volcano, again is we're just calculating the super based on the fact that it had to expel an absurd amount of matter in one event.

Cristina: That's what makes it a super volcano.

Jack: Yeah. It's not size. It has to in one event has thrown out over a hundred, not a hundred, over a thousand cubic kilometers of volcanic deposit. That's what's measuring it. So it's processing.

Cristina: I imagine that they were just huge.

Jack: They could in theory be really big, but they could just be over because.

Cristina: Of what they spewed out that made them super in the first place.

Jack: Yes. And really what's deciding that is the magma chamber. A magma chamber is a pool of lava that's underneath the crust and that's where the magma is. How large that is determines how big. What's over. It could explode.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Out word.

Cristina: And that would predict super volcano.

Jack: Yes. So super volcano now you know, not location. Super volcanoes in theory have already exploded in the past.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's how we identify them. So a super volcano usually leads to the craziest explosions that are kind of earth ending to some degree. But it's all about the process of. Or not process, the quantity. We've abandoned process at this point. We're like, quantity makes you a super volcano.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But we can't tell where there's a super volcano that hasn't erupted because it would require us to go beneath the crust and investigate all of underneath the crust.

Cristina: Okay. We can't do that.

Jack: It's impossible. So we need events to have happened in order to calculate. Like, oh yeah, this crap. That there must be so much down there in order for this much matter to have come from it. That's the only way we could determine these things.

Cristina: We're looking at what though.

Jack: At the.

Cristina: Just the.

Jack: The amount of matter they spewed tells us if it's a super volcano or not.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that allows us to kind of question how much magma is in the magma chamber that this volcano sits over.

Cristina: Can they tell how old the magma is?

Jack: I don't know what that means. It's infinitely old. It's all the same magma. It's just really. Magma's really compressed matter essentially being really hot.

Cristina: Yeah. Like how do they tell how long ago a volcano exploded? I guess.

Jack: Oh. So yeah. There's probably layers of how it dries and shapes and crap that tell people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Essentially. I guess geologists would be the people doing it. Who that then they know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The age of.

Cristina: Because you have to know. That would be part of it. Right. Like How? Like that doesn't help how if it's a super volcano or not. No, but it's still.

Jack: Well, it could not how old it is, but how far it traveled could tell them how much went up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So you could be like, well, this came from way the h*** down there. That must be a crate if you could find a lot of it. That must have been crazy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's probably how they detect it. But yeah, it's interesting that there are just pools of lava, of magma, magma chambers hanging out underneath. And we could be sitting over one. Not even know.

Cristina: That is cool. But it's cooler that there's a creature living in a volcano that is weird.

Jack: That is weird. And what it's made of is really weird. Now I wonder if it itself has a circulatory system. Again, it couldn't really be made out of lava if it's a creature that made it from blood. And it needs blood and it needs blood.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It just looks like a creature. It's just a creature, except it's made of rock and lava. And like, if it was a shadow creature, that wouldn't check out. It wouldn't make sense. It would be more ethereal, more. More ghost like.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's not. It's just glass and rock and lava.

Cristina: Be a disguise.

Jack: I figured we would figure that out if that was the case.

Jack: It could be a shapeshifter.

Cristina: It could be.

Jack: That's the direction it could go. But then what the h*** is wrong with this shapeshifter that it's deciding to choose the shape of random inanimate crap as opposed to blending in, which is usually what a bunch of the shapeshifters that visit do do.

Cristina: There's that shapeshifter that. Is it a shapeshifter? I think it's a shapeshifter that turns into a snake with wings.

Jack: Yes, but that's a snake and a bird. Those are still just living things in a weird combo execution.

Cristina: Shapeshifters that turn into random crap.

Jack: Exactly. Right. It's always a thing that's an animal of some sort. Like they're trying to blend in. The one that tries to look like a dog. Chupacabra is a famous one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Although there's two variants of the Chupacabra, which I'm sure they. There's too many. Too many. But they're all different creatures. We know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And one of them is like a God, like alien, and the other one's just some s*** on Earth that presumably got the ability from Eating some other s***.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But all the shapeshifters aim to. Well, no, we're wrong. But again, the alien shapeshifter is the one who got weird and turned into the weird, like, lizard. Not even lizard. It's just the closest comparison we can make. But it's this weird monster looking thing, and that's the one that came from space. Remember that? And that was a shapeshifter. But also the dog one was a shapeshifter, and those are two different creatures.

Cristina: Could this thing be an alien?

Jack: It could totally be an alien, but as of now, it just seems to be just an Earth creature because it's entirely made up of.

Cristina: Clouds are Earth creatures, and they don't look like anything.

Jack: They're astoundingly abstract and weird. At least from our understanding, they can identify one another.

Cristina: Yeah, but if this could be something.

Jack: Like that, that'd be fascinating, right?

Cristina: That would mean it's its own creature.

Jack: Exactly. And there would be more like this. It could be like a panther. They hang out relatively alone, like one per volcano. And like the mating process must be complicated because we need one to migrate to the other, which is unlikely.

Cristina: That doesn't feel like something bad happens, travel underground.

Jack: This would be fascinating because this means that the volcano is a. Either a reject or the alpha, and they get to have the big thing. Or they're abandoned into this prison that.

Cristina: Exposes them because they're getting version sacrifices.

Jack: Well, we're assuming that this is the version of whatever the creature this is that has had adrenochrome because it has had adrenochrome.

Cristina: Mm. And that whatever, it's an outcast because it has.

Jack: Well, no, we don't know why it's an outcast. We just know that it is an outcast. And this is not how all these creatures would look or behave.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And if they do exist, it being in this situation, it being in a volcano probably has something to do with it looking and behaving the way it does, because maybe the food it required isn't around. And in order to survive, it ate whatever and then boom, came across blood, which wasn't normal in its environment.

Cristina: Okay, interesting. Interesting, yes.

Jack: Now, following your logic, there must be a. I don't know if highly intelligent way this creature is the way that other humanoid creatures are. But whether highly intelligent or not, that means that there are through the magma and through the tunnels inside of volcanoes leading through passages that are too hot for anything else to survive. Yes, there must really be. Not too hot for anything to survive. But Just rather creatures that do live down there that we'll never see because we could never go down there.

Cristina: Yeah. That makes sense.

Jack: A plethora of them. An entire ecosystem. Whether. And maybe there are highly intelligent ones. And maybe that is what we're seeing. Kind of like dolphins run the water.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There are creatures that just run the magma, or not even the magma. But beneath the crust of the Earth, there's an ecosystem and there are things that are our counterparts down there. And maybe these magma things are related.

Cristina: Maybe. And we would just never know because it's impossible. It's impossible to check that out.

Jack: It is impossible to check that out. Unless. Unless we use. Because technology is not gonna get us there. Everything we have on Earth melts. This is the hottest s***. There's a workaround, though, and we have the necessary creatures for it.

Cristina: We're gonna use creatures.

Jack: Well, we have the necessary creatures for the solution.

Cristina: What's the solution?

Jack: Magic can do a lot. So if we can figure out magic that then allows us to survive the conditions of.

Cristina: That's also crazy.

Jack: The magma. Then we can go explore that.

Cristina: What? I honestly just thought you were gonna say we're gonna just use the supercomputer or whatever computer. We have that.

Jack: Wow. That's actually way more efficient because we could just simulate it perfectly and then just change the variable that allows us to navigate the environment.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And go and explore it.

Cristina: That would make sense.

Jack: That would make absolute sense.

Cristina: Or using the. The people that work for us to do it. Because why would.

Jack: They would die. They would be pointless. We wouldn't get anything back. The real idea in the real world, if we weren't to use a computer, which in hindsight, is the most optimal, safest way to do this.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But if we for whatever reason ignored that for the thousandth time and took an active approach here. Magic would be the way to do it. Because the Reptilians know everything magic related. They know a lot.

Cristina: They know a lot.

Jack: But it's actual technology, isn't it? We thought it was magic, but it's tech.

Cristina: It's the cat people.

Jack: It's the cat people who. That might also be f****** tech, bro. We're still not sure. Think about the lineage of us still waiting for freaking Steve to figure out communicating with the clouds. Because ultimately this will also solve that problem. Because they have the ability to interact with lightning or generate it or something, which is about as hot as lava, maybe hotter. So they can. They know the tricks. The clouds are astoundingly necessary to most of the s***. That we have been halted at. And until we get confirmation that, yes, we have established a back and forth. Yes, we're waiting. And now there's just another thing we're waiting for. The potential clouds could help us with. Because some of these clouds literally level up to the degree that they are partially lava themselves.

Cristina: Do not remember that stars. Oh, yes. The ones they were trying to communicate with.

Jack: That. That's the part you forgot. The biggest thing all of everywhere.

Cristina: That's so ridiculous. You don't think of it as a cloud.

Jack: Well, it is. It's both a cloud and a giant molting thing.

Cristina: That's the reason we need the clouds in the first place, to communicate with the stars. Okay.

Jack: This is a process. We're trying to get farther and farther to talk to the biggest kahunas. But now there's a thing that's kind of hot like the biggest kahunas, and it's right here. And we kind of already have it. Maybe there's more of it.

Cristina: Maybe there's creatures on the stars as well.

Jack: Well, this, I guess the same way that Earth is living thing with crap on it. Possible. Yeah, that checks out. That makes sense. But it would have to exist in the molting section.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because there is just the gaseous surface.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: But on the flip side, who says there isn't an ecosystem in that gaseous surface as well? Wow, this is getting weird. I haven't thought about any of this in the past, but, yes, I guess all of that checks out because we also have crap in our atmosphere. Why wouldn't the atmosphere of a star have crap there?

Cristina: We gotta find out.

Jack: Whoa. Yeah. And we need a star for it.

Cristina: Yes. Man, we need a star for so much.

Jack: Yes. And it's a problem. So basically, we've just circled back to the same issue that we've had for quite a while, which is we can't seem to advance. On the flip side, if we can get magic, we need the capio before the magic. But in theory, maybe this doesn't seem too difficult. It's just magma. I think the reptilians might be enough to figure at least this out. If we can get to the bottom and see what kind of civilization maybe there is intelligence. Because it still brings up the question. I mean, I guess in theory the Mayans didn't go all the way beneath the cross. That's exaggerated. But, you know, they're the Mayans, when they went underneath the ground and plugged into the mansion, like, they didn't really, like, go so far down they're hanging out with lava monsters. Like. That's so nice.

Cristina: They are the lava monsters.

Jack: That would be crazy. But no, they wouldn't, because we know they went to space. Yeah, some went to space and the others just connected to the Matrix. I guess we could in theory assume there's a third faction. But how would they evolve into these things? That makes no sense. That's. There's a disconnect from one to the other.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But there's. There's many options here. There's. There's paths.

Cristina: What if they're not connected to the Matrix? What if they're connected to the lava people? There's that. They're like avatar bodies in this world.

Jack: Interesting. What if they. What?

Cristina: What?

Jack: That. That thought only made sense until they're the avatars in their own world. That makes sense.

Cristina: Like so that they can peek out whenever. But not actually.

Jack: They wouldn't. They would literally not. Because lava people would in theory exist in the lava underneath the surface. So they'd go underground. So then pretend to be underground creatures who wouldn't come up. But. But following that absolutely broken conclusion, what if those are in fact avatars? In an. In a literal avatar, the movie by the director, guy who everybody loves, works. There's a place that's inhabit inhospitable to humans, and they need to go there because of some worse s*** elsewhere. In the case of Avatar, there was, you know, profit. Human profit. The usual reason for us invading people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But in the case of this situation, we know the Mayans knew something was going to happen. Some of them are like, get the f*** off the planet. Others like, we got to go way the h*** down there.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But too far down is impossible. Unless you make a pod where your mind can live and then you create some sort of other thing where you send the signal of your brain to. This is your new body. The pod is gonna keep you alive, is gonna give you nutrients, it's gonna give you food and make sure you don't die. But your body that you've created will never die, is made entirely different. This is some sort of Android that happens to be able to survive in lava conditions. These are technology.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To then perhaps get to the center of the Earth, or not even the center of the earth, but they could because it's just molting. But then that would break the argument that there is life on something like a star.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because we don't have that. It's less likely that something like that happened. We have less examples.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: As opposed to this just Being something that lives down there.

Cristina: So you have to figure that out, though.

Jack: It would tell us whether it's.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Something we should look into for stars. Like a question we could write on our list of questions for stars.

Cristina: A lot of questions, man. But yes.

Jack: Oh, yes. But yeah. So that. That's kind of the rabbit hole that I went down. That all began by asking whether or not we could jump down a volcano.

Cristina: Yeah. You haven't. You didn't figure that out, though, at all. Like, do you know the average of how many people accidentally fall into volcanoes or something?

Jack: No. It was proven that things live there already. So it's kind of pointless, the fact that there's normal. Like, screw this creature and whatever the h*** this is. There's just stuff there, just normal animals hanging out there that's like, of course. Yeah, there's whatever. Humans make it there too, I suppose. Which is true. I didn't think while we were having this conversation before, we didn't think about the fact that people just go photograph lava.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So, yeah, it was a dumb question because we weren't thinking about the bigger picture. People definitely have to volcano dive. Especially in, like, extinct volcanoes that aren't active.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's probably a normal thing. Yeah, man. I'm so edgy. I went into the mouth of the volcano.

Cristina: But we know people die from volcanoes too, of course. Family that just jumped into one and that's it.

Jack: Of course. Of course. But it's not like they couldn't survive in a volcano. Which was the original question. Could you volcano dive?

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: The answer is yes, objectively, because you don't even need to go volcano diving. S***. Just. It's not like, whoa, the most extreme. No, there's just any. Hey, look at the iguana.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: This is extreme conditions. Is that a flamingo?

Cristina: What?

Jack: This is the most hardcore place in the world. Is that a pink flamingo?

Cristina: Little tiny blood sucking bird that gets real hardcore.

Jack: I think that's the weirdest part about this interaction. Of all the normality happening. And then tiny little finch shows up and just digs into the first thing with blood it finds. It's like, holy crap. What happened?

Cristina: What happened?

Jack: Beautiful flamingo flies into this hot, hot place. Like, wow.

Cristina: Are you sure these flamingos aren't drinking blood?

Jack: Positive. Flamingo lands is beautiful. You're looking at it. You're like, oh, this is gorgeous. Fantastic. You see an iguana chilling out here. Like, oh, that checks out moisture and crap heat, you know?

Cristina: Mm. I see.

Jack: I see what's going on. And then A beautiful finch just gliding. It flies and it lands, and you're like, oh, wow. That finch is dope. Looks around. You're like, oh, majestic. A finch that came all the way here to the mouth of the volcano. The finch takes off and starts floating, and you're like, oh, this is. Look how beautiful it flies. Until it rips the f****** eye out of the flamingo you were looking at. And you're like, holy s***. This just became epic as f***. This is crazy. I was scared of the lava. This bird's what I got to get the h*** away from.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Can you imagine a swarm of those finch? You're f*****. Just all the blood.

Cristina: Oh, my God.

Jack: The first cut, you're done.

Cristina: They don't do that, though, do they? It's not like, where are those. Those fish that eat piranhas? Piranhas. They're not like piranhas.

Jack: I don't know. Well, no, because there's not enough food. If there were a bunch of them, they would attack each other. That's the whole point. They're cannibals. They're not cannibals, but they love blood because that's how getting nutrients are missing.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: If they were a flock, that flock wouldn't make it. They would just eat each other. They would cannibalize instantaneously.

Cristina: Oh, amazing. What? Whoa.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah, that's. That's a pretty cool, disturbing bird.

Jack: Yeah. The vampire ground finch. Fantastic. So, yeah, the answer to the question of whether you can volcano hop is without a doubt, yes. Yes, you can. You can go into the mouth of a volcano. In fact, there's some volcanoes that people probably just casually do this to because they're dead f****** volcanoes that do nothing. So, yes, we can all go. And then. Fair enough. It might be so safe that there's creatures of so many different things living down there. So we just got to go investigate that.

Cristina: But you shouldn't go, because you might.

Jack: Be eaten by the creatures that you're looking for.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or the bird that's just hanging out there, that's not even a creatures. I mean, it's a you. It's a real Earth creature. But the fact that you could just be killed by a finch that's trying to drink your blood.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Well, amazing. I hope you guys learned something. I hope you learned something about, you know, volcano humping. Mm, lovely. Volcano humping. Anyways, you guys can listen to last week's episode to get the details on how this conversation began. But additionally, a bunch of the crap discussed here reference a bunch of other.

Cristina: Crap discussed in different episodes.

Jack: In different episodes. So there's a plethora of places to reach from. So just go read show titles, go read episode titles back to back to back and you'll eventually come across one. You're like, oh, this seems like.

Cristina: Read the summaries. The summaries are great.

Jack: Yeah. They'll tell you what's in each episode so you can find the thing. Actually, if you go to the website greathoughts.info justconvopod, I think, or just conversation Pod, I don't know, one of those. You can find not just the summary, but you can type in keywords that will take you specifically to things connected.

Cristina: Ah, that's a great way.

Jack: Yeah. So if you want to like link from one to the other and see all the episodes that are related, you could just type in some keywords and be like, okay, all the episodes related to Shadow Realm, boom. They'll show up together.

Cristina: Because there's a lot.

Jack: Yeah, it's like four or five. Anyways. Yeah, you guys can go do that and you can find all our stuff on socials. If you want to go contact us, you can do get that stuff at just Convopod, Facebook, Twitter or Instagram.

Cristina: Yes. Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth will tell people that they can learn about volcanoes and volcano creatures from listening to us.

Cristina: Yes. And this has been the raveling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: I mean, look, this is an assumption. I know that they're made by the people from over the wall. I was assuming I could. In theory, they could be sort of mechanical to some degree, but they seem like living beings. This is externally, in theory, they could be solar powered, but then how do they function at night? Unless they have internal battery holding things that stores a surplus. So there's more than they need to make the night. But what do we do about periods of time when there's night for nine months?

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: I guess it's six months at highest, I think. I'm not really sure, but you get my point.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. So that wouldn't be helpful.

Jack: It wouldn't be helpful. Eventually you just run out, then what?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they have to be biological. They have to be self sustained.

Cristina: Yeah. So people would volunteer for some weird experiment?

Jack: Well, we don't know the people over. It wasn't people from this side who volunteered. We wouldn't know how they got here because there's people from over the wall and nobody is allowed over the wall.

Cristina: Mm. Not even us.

Jack: We're not allowed. Only Pete. Well, we're allowed over the wall, but people who aren't working for the Illuminati or the Freemasons or any of that are. They're not allowed. Those are the same. That's why people here, a bunch of people, can simply not lift off the planet. We have the technology to get anywhere. Why don't we send pedestrians? No, pedestrians are only allowed over our. Good night.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

June 05, 2021

Rambling 131: Mythological Beasts

June 05, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

mythological beats, just conversation, podcast, radio, pokemon, mythology, science, comedy, conspiracy theory

Do black cats have magical abilities? Does any animal have magical abilities? If so, which ones and how did they acquire these abilities to begin with? The duo unpacks the magic of black cats and the folklore in which certain Pokemon are based on this episode of Just Conversation.

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Topics Details

Black Cats
Witches
Pirates
Storm Troopers
General Grievous
Pokemon
Magical Foxes
Mythical Creatures
God Fox

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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Cristina: Welcome to Just Conversations, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

Cristina: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notifications the second new episodes are released.

Jack: Yes. And also, this show is most enjoyable with the listening partner. So be sure to find somebody in the middle of the woods that was just wandering in a casual pace and stop them. Hold your phone out while the show is playing and say, hey, this is just conversation in the woods. In the woods.

Cristina: And you're gonna what?

Jack: Yeah, you can be playing it on your phone. Maybe Spotify. Cause that's where podcasts happen these days. Because Apple's being beat out.

Cristina: Yes. And.

Jack: And so on Spotify, you're gonna. You're gonna podcast, you can play the podcast and you're gonna. I guess if you have it on Apple anywhere, you have the podcast, you can find the podcast anywhere. So go there, play it on your phone. Presumably you can play. I mean, you could bring your computer, you're gonna bring your laptop into the woods, playing the podcast with a boombox on the side that it's connected to.

Cristina: That's mad work.

Jack: Hey, it's gonna work.

Cristina: I feel like people hearing that would just walk away from it.

Jack: If they hear a conversation happening and it's very entertaining, they're probably going to try to find out where it's coming from.

Cristina: Is it nighttime?

Jack: No, it could be in daylight.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They just think, wow, this is really cool. There's somebody having, like a really loud, odd conversation.

Cristina: That is very strange. But be careful in those woods because what if there are, I don't know, black cats in the woods?

Jack: Black cats?

Cristina: Where do black cats come from? Are there wild black cats?

Jack: I would. Of course. Why wouldn't there be? There's.

Cristina: In the woods, there's wild cats.

Jack: I'm sure there's like actual. Just cats, like domesticated cats in the woods.

Cristina: I can't. I don't know. I don't know how. If there's.

Jack: I'm sure, Look, I'm sure it happened like there were cats. There were normal cat, like, big lion things that we tamed and turned into little kitty cats. And then after we had so many of them. They're everywhere.

Cristina: They're everywhere.

Jack: They're everywhere. Everybody lives somewhere with a f*** ton of just wild cats, but they're the domesticated Version of the cat that lives amongst people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Those can still live in the woods or you could still run across like a lynx or some s***. Just casual, tiny, big cat.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, be careful. I guess be careful of that lynx, but whatever. We're worried about black cats right now. Be careful that black cat. Because it can steal your luck. Is that what it does?

Jack: What black cats?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They're allegedly bad luck.

Cristina: Yeah. If they walk away from you, they steal your luck.

Jack: If they walk away from you.

Cristina: I don't. This is a weird way. Like if they walk away from you because that means that they were next to you. But if they come to you, you get good luck. So I don't know how it works.

Jack: Yeah. I don't understand why is it that it coming? So it's the reaper of luck next to you, I guess the reaper of luck.

Cristina: It's the reaper of luck.

Jack: While the grim reaper is the reaper of souls. Or we could say Grimm is the reaper of souls. He comes towards you to either deliver a soul or leaves extracting a soul.

Cristina: And the cat's doing that one.

Jack: The cat would be the same. It's the black cat is the reaper of luck.

Cristina: But how is it walking away from you? Like that means it came by you, gave you good luck, and then walked away to take away the luck.

Jack: I guess the other way would be if you walked up to a black cat. So the goal should be never walk up to a black cat. Always let it come to you. Which is a very cat like thing to do anyways. You don't want to follow the cat.

Cristina: Unless they learn that this is what you're trying to do. Because cats are evil. If they know this is what you're thinking, somehow they're just gonna do the opposite of what you want. No matter what it is that you want, they're gonna do the opposite.

Jack: Yes, that is definitely the case.

Cristina: That's a very cat thing to do.

Jack: Yeah. Cats like to flip everybody off all day.

Cristina: Yeah. So there's Some people think that black cats are bad luck. Some people think they're good luck. The Celtics believe that black cats were sacred. I don't know if they were worshipping the black cats or what were they doing, but they were sacred to those people.

Jack: Yeah. I think they were sacred to the Egyptians as well.

Cristina: Oh, that's cool. They were probably seen as gods there too or something.

Jack: I think so. I think so. Anubis is consistently shown as some sort of cat guy.

Cristina: Yeah. Yes, he is right. One of them as a black cat. Right.

Jack: As a black cat. Yeah.

Cristina: So there's a thing there. And in Scottish lore, black cats, when they come to a new home, it means prosperity. I guess if you adopt a black cat, you're going to get some good luck happening. That's prosperity, right? Good luck still? Yeah, I guess with money, maybe. Yeah, yeah. In Welsh lore, black cats bring good health, but in England, black cats are related to witches and bring bad luck. And sometimes they think the witches, the black cats are the witches, like they somehow transform into people or people transform into cats.

Jack: I wonder where this comes from because like all these creature transforming things, like Dracula becomes a bat.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What the f*** is that about?

Cristina: I think he also becomes a wolf. Wolf.

Jack: Dracula.

Cristina: I think so. I think he turns into many things.

Jack: I think we actually established he's just. Yeah, I think we just. Yeah, he's f******. He turns into just totally non living s*** as well. So I think we established that he's just some sort of shapeshifter. So I guess it doesn't matter.

Cristina: Yeah. So witches are just.

Jack: They're using magic to shapeshift. They can do whatever. F*** too. Yeah, yeah, fair enough.

Cristina: Were they using the same magic that vampires are using?

Jack: Yeah. My question is, is a vampire using magic or is it. Does he. Is it a f******. Just shapeshifter? He's a shapeshifter.

Cristina: Then are wishes, even wishes, like, we're calling them magical beings. But what if they're just shapeshifters that we're calling magical? But you know, they're just shapeshifting, they're just doing what they naturally do, which is.

Jack: Well, that would be wrong because we're assuming they're like, you could become a witch with just practice and training.

Cristina: No, but the ones that they're seeing that are turning into cats, those are.

Jack: The ones that we'd be talking about. If the logic would be, in theory, you could grab a couple of Wiccan books, go home, practice for the next year, meet me in a year and be like, look, I'm gonna turn into a cat.

Cristina: What? Yes, I wanna do that witchy s***.

Jack: That should. That would be the logic. So you're still human. You're not not human just because you're witch.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You just know you're human, who knows magic.

Cristina: But with the black cat on pirate ships, they believe the opposite of black cats, that if they walk towards you, they're bringing bad luck. But if they're from you, they're giving you good luck. And whenever a black cat walks onto a ship.

Jack: Wait, wait, wait. In both Cases, they walk towards you. What?

Cristina: No, the first one is walk. If it walks towards you, it's bringing you bad luck, and if it walks away from you, it's bringing you good luck.

Jack: Okay?

Cristina: And if it walks onto a ship and then walks out of the ship, the ship is gonna sink.

Jack: And. Okay, so let's say a cat did that and the ship didn't sink. Then what?

Cristina: Maybe it wasn't really a black cat. I don't know.

Jack: And, like, why does the cat's fur affect the universe?

Cristina: Because I guess that's just people's superstition about the color black.

Jack: Why did that happen, though? Right?

Cristina: Well, black became evil, and white became black.

Jack: Black evil. And, like, red is a close second.

Cristina: Red is close second. What?

Jack: Red eyes.

Cristina: Red eyes.

Jack: Oh, yeah, the red lightsaber.

Cristina: The red lightsaber. Oh, okay, yes.

Jack: Darth Vader's both. He's black with a red lightsaber.

Cristina: Oh, crap. He's the ultimate evil. What? But I guess all the evil guys are in black with red lasers. Besides the, like, losers that are in white.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. They all have red.

Cristina: Oh, but they don't have lightsabers.

Jack: Who? The.

Cristina: The ones in white.

Jack: The stormtroopers.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: I mean, they're bad guys. I know, but at the beginning, they were good guys. They were only white because they were lying.

Cristina: What?

Jack: They were. They're part of the bad side, so.

Cristina: They were wearing white.

Jack: Well, they're neither good nor bad. They are soldiers, okay? And their orders were, you help these people until you get different orders. And then they did get different orders.

Cristina: To not help those people tonight just.

Jack: Kill all of them. It's like, we're soldiers. This is what we do. We don't question it. We just do it.

Cristina: Was. What's his name? Darth Vader, when he was a young kid and he was training, was his lifesaver black? I mean, red or.

Jack: I believe he had a green one or blue one.

Cristina: Does it change colors once you become evil, though? Or do you just get a new lifesaver?

Jack: I think they gave him a new lightsaber.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Because I was wondering, like, does the lifesaver know you're evil or good or whatever? Because then you could just take the lightsaber away if you know that the person's evil if they get interesting.

Jack: Interesting point, because the idea here is I remember that they picked up the other's lightsaber. I believe Anakin. I believe Obi dropped his lightsaber, and Anakin picked it up, and then he had a blue And a green lightsaber. So, like, they didn't both become green or both become blue. It wasn't him projecting the color.

Cristina: Okay. Okay. So this is just a fashion choice. And then guys and bad guys are.

Jack: General Grievous, who's some sort of robot thing with four arms, picked up their lightsabers. Or actually he was wielding lightsabers from dead Jedi, and they were still blue and green along with his red ones.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Or he had no red ones. I think he killed people for all of them. Okay, so he had two blue ones and two green ones.

Cristina: He can do the same magic trick stuff.

Jack: I don't think General Grievous has the.

Cristina: Force, but he can use the Lifesavers.

Jack: Yes. I. I'm not really sure how the. That. I never really thought. This is so many holes in this garbage. Oh, my God.

Cristina: And we don't really know everything about Is general stuff.

Jack: Oh, man. I gotta look this up at some point.

Cristina: He might be a. What are they called?

Jack: He's some sort of Jedi thing. Yeah. Like, maybe he's not all robot androids be. I'm just assuming he has some humanity.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Yes, I think so. In Japan, though, ladies that are single get black cats because they think it brings them luck with dates and stuff. Like, they'll get more dates if they have a black cat.

Jack: That's interesting. I don't know why that would be the case.

Cristina: I don't know. Because they think black cats are good luck with love. Like the other place thought with health, and another place was, like, with money.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Black cats are needed to go hunting for treasure in Chile from a creature called the carbuncle. It's some magical creature. It looks like a cat or a dog or fireflies. And it's glowy, and it might have a gem that glows on it. There's like a bunch of different descriptions of what it looks like. Kind of like the Loch Ness Monster, where it's just. It looks like something similar to this. Like, they're all describing something that's somewhat similar, I guess, but not really to.

Jack: The Loch Ness monster.

Cristina: No, like in the Loch Ness monster stories, they were like that. Like, some of them saw it. It had a long neck. Some of them were like. No, it had. I don't know, like, the descriptions of the. When we did the Loch Ness monsters, there's a bunch of different descriptions of the creature.

Jack: Those descriptions were pretty similar.

Cristina: Well, the one that was. They saw outside of the car. They saw it outside of the car. And it looked. It sounded like more, I think, like an Alex Gator or something.

Jack: Outside of the car.

Cristina: Yeah. Or a motorcycle or something. They were just driving by the place and they just saw it on the street.

Jack: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like sunbathing or some s*** or something.

Cristina: Yeah. And I don't think that one just. It was described similar to the other ones.

Jack: Yeah. But I feel like the, like, 99.99% of the other ones are kind of the same s***.

Cristina: This one, I guess it's. Whatever. It's very varied of the description except that it's glowy. That's the only thing that they all seem to have in common.

Jack: Can hunt the glowing thing?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because of the cat's glowing eyes.

Cristina: The cat's glowing eyes.

Jack: You ever seen a cat in the dead of dark?

Cristina: Oh, yes. I don't know. Because it has to be specifically a black cat. I don't know why?

Jack: Because black cat powers, man.

Cristina: Black cat powers. Yes. If you want to catch a carbuncle, you want to see a picture of a carbuncle, though. It's a very cute little creature right there. Look at it. It's adorable. It has a gem on its head.

Jack: It looks something between like Jolteon from Pokemon and a Phoenix Fox.

Cristina: Yes. Yes, it does. And it is adorable, right?

Jack: It's basically a Pokemon.

Cristina: Yes. Wouldn't you want to catch that yourself?

Jack: Catching any Pokemon is slavery and kind of abuse.

Cristina: Wouldn't it be like catching a pet or something? Are you saying pets are like that? I don't know, because I'm not talking about catching it and then battling people with your kabunkulo.

Jack: You're talking about putting. Crushing it into a sphere. No, a sphere that is roughly the size of a Pokeball.

Cristina: I don't mean about catching it like a Pokeball with a Pokeball. I mean catching it like, I don't know, with. In a cage cave into some sort.

Jack: Of mythical creature or some s***.

Cristina: Yes. But they think it's real. Okay.

Jack: This is like a Chupacabra.

Cristina: This is the Chupacabra of Chile. And to get the treasure of this is very complicated. And I'm going to share with you how to do this, because it's crazy, but it's awesome. It's crazy awesome. Okay, you see this creature? What you got to do is throw a lasso at it. Then it will disappear with a lasso, and then you got to come back in the morning to see where the lasso is, because it's going to be buried in the Ground, but with a little bit of it sticking out. And you'll know that's where the treasure is. Sort of.

Jack: Because not really the treasure is where the. So you can't catch a creature.

Cristina: No, sadly, this is just for the treasure that the creature has.

Jack: Okay. Now this is some sort of cat thing itself. It's like a fox.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why does it have treasure?

Cristina: It's like the leprechaun, I guess.

Jack: The leprechaun is like a person, so.

Cristina: No, it's not. It's a fairy creature thing. Ghost. It's pretty complicated.

Jack: Pretty self aware. Consciously, like humanoid.

Cristina: So maybe this thing is the same too.

Jack: It just doesn't look it, I guess, but I guess, sure, sure.

Cristina: It looks like a fairy. Who knows it's a fairy.

Jack: It does not look like a fairy. It looks like a fox.

Cristina: It looks like a magical fairy fox thing. Okay.

Jack: Looks like a pretty plain fox.

Cristina: Okay. With the gem on its head.

Jack: Yeah. We'll assume fur colored differently.

Cristina: Okay, well, this fox thing has treasure for some reason. Maybe it just. I don't know why you would have treasure. Maybe like shiny things. It collects shiny things. Like the thing on its head.

Jack: Like birds.

Cristina: Oh, like birds. Yeah.

Jack: Maybe you don't find it in a.

Cristina: Box because it would be weird if you actually find the treasure and it's in a treasure box. Oh, I think it is in a treasure box. Never mind. It's in a treasure box. You do find it in a treasure box. That's amazing. This is a magical fox thing. I don't know. Oh, yes, but. So you go there in the morning, you see the rope, you gotta leave. Well, you don't have to leave. You should leave though, because what you'll need next is a new shovel and a widow. And she has to be holding a black cat.

Jack: A widow, yes.

Cristina: This is part of the plan. I don't know how they came up with this plan.

Jack: Get to the gold.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The treasure. Didn't you already find where the treasure is?

Cristina: It's more complicated than that. That's where it's gonna be.

Jack: Except that it's not there yet.

Cristina: It's not there at all. It was there maybe. And then I guess this cat is magical. So it moves the treasure to different spots, underground, on the ground until it gets tired of using its magic to move it. And then it's there. I guess that's how it goes. That's how I think it works. Because. Okay, so with the new shovel, you're gonna dig that hole and then you're gonna throw the cat in the hole.

Jack: So you can bury the cat in the hole.

Cristina: No. And then the cat's gonna disappear. And then while you're digging the next hole, the cat's gonna reappear in the old lady's hand.

Jack: And the old lady's not gonna freak out.

Cristina: I'm guessing she knows. She's been through this a lot. I don't know how. Like maybe the first time.

Jack: Every town has an old lady whose job it is to hold a cat.

Cristina: The black cat. Yep.

Jack: When you're looking for gold because of some sort of demon fairy fox thing.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know how the first. Like, how they came up with this crazy plan in the first place that worked out like this. They must have tried a million other things right before they thought, like, What? It was this random old widow lady. Like, how did they come get that stuff? How did they get the cat? Did they try dogs? Did they try young girls? Did they try little boys?

Jack: Like, interesting.

Cristina: How many? Okay, so they got. You got the old lady, you got the cat. You keep digging holes, you throw the cat in. Eventually you'll hit the right spa.

Jack: Like, just go rob a bank. It's. It's that era where that's easy to do. What I feel like it would be less steps and you have more chances of succeeding. All these steps and that treasure might not even, like, be great.

Cristina: Yes. And also, if you show any fear, you'll be poisoned when you open the box.

Jack: Sweet. So you'll also die.

Cristina: See? See, It's. It's definitely a treasure. I don't know it's worth risking your life for, but I'm. I'm guessing it's really cool. Like, what would this little ador. Terrible thing be hiding? It must be amazing. It's gotta be. Maybe it's his puppies.

Jack: Maybe it's not even. Maybe it's just garbage. Hoarding garbage sticks.

Cristina: Sticks.

Jack: You open it as it sticks.

Cristina: That's so disappointing.

Jack: It's treasure, not your treasure.

Cristina: Oh, that's. That's crappy. And how did it get the poison in the box?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: That only knows. Like, it knows when you're fear. When you're showing fear, when you're digging holes and then the poison let out. This is. There's a lot of magic happening here with this creature.

Jack: Yeah, it seems to be the case.

Cristina: Yes. So I wonder how they even came up with this weird way of catching it.

Jack: Whoever thinks magic is. Whoever thinks this creature even exists is prone to just crazy s***. So they just like, stack like 12 different superstitions on top of each other.

Cristina: Yes. Also part of the. Besides, if you have any fear, you'll die, of course. But if you don't throw the cat in the hole, you can also die. You have to throw the cat in the hole.

Jack: Even if it won't stay in the hole.

Cristina: Even if it don't. Yeah. Because it's gonna, you know, disappear anyway or whatever. But yes. And you said that thing looks like what again?

Jack: Like a Phoenix Fox.

Cristina: Like a Phoenix Fox. But it reminded you of a Pokemon.

Jack: Jolteon.

Cristina: Jolteon? Why?

Jack: Jolteon kinda looks like Jolteon or Flareon. Flambo is one of the eons.

Cristina: Well, I'm going to say that it's based on. Or I guess the Pokemon that's based on it is Espeon.

Jack: Espeon doesn't have a diamond in its head.

Cristina: It doesn't?

Jack: Oh, Espeon does. I was thinking, for whatever reason, Vaporeon.

Cristina: And it's a psychic.

Jack: Yeah. And I don't know if that fluffy tail like this thing.

Cristina: Well, we don't know what its tail really looks like.

Jack: The one who does have a fluffy tail is Flareon.

Cristina: Yeah, that's true. But it's a psychic. Can we describe these powers as psychic? I don't know. When you have magic powers, is that psychic?

Jack: No.

Cristina: No. Okay, we'll just say that the diamond is what makes it look Espeon.

Jack: Yeah, because otherwise it looks like Flareon.

Cristina: Yeah. And there's another. There's. If so, Espeon is probably based on that, but also another creature, another from another mythology, which is a Japanese one called the Nekomata. And this creature has. It's a cat. It's a really. When your cat gets super duper, duper old instead of, I guess, dying, it just. Its tail will split up into. And then it becomes evil. It becomes evil and wants to eat you.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Yes. That's what the Neca Mata is. There are two types of neck omadas. There's one that lives in the mountain. The mountain ones have eyes like a cat and a body of a dog, which is, I guess, very scary. I don't know, because. What's the. What about the face? No, I think it has the body of a dog. So it has probably the face of a dog with a cat eyes. I don't know if that's really that scary. But they describe it as a beast. I don't know if you think of that as a beast.

Jack: I mean, a beast is anything that's not human.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Well, I guess dogs Are beasts everything that's not human. Oh, okay. So, yes. Well, this beast is very dog like, even though it's a cat. They eat humans and they live deep in the mountains, and they also shapeshift.

Jack: Into humans because everything shape shifts into humans.

Cristina: Yes. And then the other type that I told you already was the domestic cat, Nekomata, which is just a cat that grows old, and for some reason, its tail splits up into two. And that is what Espeon has, if you notice. Its tail is two. Has two tails.

Jack: Yes. Yes, it does, actually.

Cristina: Yeah. And I found one story about this creature. If you want to hear it, go for it. A rich samurai. There was a rich samurai whose house was haunted, and no one could figure out what to do. So he kept bringing in, like, priests and other people to get rid of the spirit, and nothing worked. Until a servant saw that his cat. There was something wrong with the cat. It was holding something in its mouth. I think it was a tiny ghost in its mouth. So he killed the cat. And then they saw that the cat had two tails, and they were like, oh, that's an evil cat. It's an evil cat. Yes. And I think they used to kill or cut off the cat's tails. When you own a pet cat in Japan, so that it won't turn into a nekomara when it gets old, preemptively.

Jack: Just chop off its tail.

Cristina: Yeah. Look at this one. This is a picture of one. And they're learning how to walk on their legs.

Jack: You mean a drawing of one?

Cristina: Yeah, the drawing. It's based on the real creature. These are cats that are. Their tails are split and they're walking onto. Because that's what happens when cats get owed.

Jack: Their tails split in two, and then they just walk exclusively on their hind legs.

Cristina: Yes, yes. So now you know more about Espeon's background.

Jack: Got you.

Cristina: Yes. And there are other Pokemon that are based on very strange mythologies as well, like Ninetales.

Jack: Ninetales? What the f*** is that?

Cristina: Based on a fox that has nine tails.

Jack: Ninetails is a horse, isn't it?

Cristina: What? What are you talking about? Oh, I don't have a picture of Ninetales. I'm gonna show you nine tails.

Jack: Oh, yeah. I was thinking about a horse with a bunch of tails.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: But not as. Not the Pokemon.

Jack: Yeah, it's a Pokemon. Oh. What's Rapidash? Evolves into what?

Cristina: Rapidash is evolved form, isn't it?

Jack: Is it?

Cristina: It's just a big horse. I don't. With a fiery tail. It doesn't have many tails. Ninetales.

Jack: Holy. I don't know why I always picture Ninetales with some sort of a horse.

Cristina: You thought it was a. I mean, it's a really big fox.

Jack: Yeah, it's a huge fox. The previous form is obviously a fox.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This is borderline dog.

Cristina: I can see that. Yeah. It's got a doggish face. It's a. It's a big, big.

Jack: I don't know why I never until this day considered the fact that Ninetales was a f****** fox. And, like, duh. It's just the evolution of baby fox.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which was a tiny little fox with.

Cristina: A really cute hairstyle.

Jack: And then it evolved into this thing that looks nothing like a fox. It's like a dog.

Cristina: Yes, but it is a fox. Because foxes in. I think it's also Japan. I think also maybe in China. But foxes, after growing old, they get more tails throughout their lifetime.

Jack: Is that real?

Cristina: Is that real? No.

Jack: Oh, okay.

Cristina: That would be cool. Well, these creatures, they're called Kitsun, and as they age, they grow extra tails. And when they grow nine tails, they turn white.

Jack: Interesting. And do they become evil or they just become these majestically beautiful kinds of things?

Cristina: There's varying, very varied stories about them. Some of them are good stories, some of them are bad.

Jack: Do they leave trails of fire? That'd be cool.

Cristina: I think they're psychic. They have a bunch of abilities. A bunch of abilities. Also, after a hundred years, they have infinite wisdom.

Jack: This is very interesting because this line up heavily with Shinto.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: It's these creatures. They are probably technically dead, but their spirit.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Is what we're witnessing.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yes. Well, yeah. This pretty much, Instead of dying, it seems like they live. Even though I guess it could be their spirit is living.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And that's really happening.

Jack: Notice the transition from one point to the other.

Cristina: That's why it's white now instead of.

Jack: The orangey seamless move into a spirit form.

Cristina: Amazing. Wow.

Jack: So in the case of, like, creatures that guard, like, the spirit of the ocean or that, like, something has to die and then become the thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But one of these creatures could be a mythical. Think of like, you remember Suicune, the movie of Pokemon, saying, you know, singing on the Pokemon theme, that it was in the woods, like one of the legendary.

Cristina: Something. No.

Jack: When they went back in time.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: And there was the blue dog thing that was chasing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's the spirit of the forest or the woods or some s***. Or the lake. That's in there or some crap like that. Now, the assumption here is that was just a dog at some point, and then that dog lived very long, and then that dog transitioned to being the spirit of that place, but you never see the dog die. I think the same thing would apply here.

Cristina: I think they said that dogs were somehow related to the spirits of that Ghost Tower thing where all the dead Pokemon were kept.

Jack: I don't know. I'm relating to Shinto.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Like, if this was Shinto, that's what would be happening. You never see the death of the.

Cristina: Pokemon because it didn't die. The next stage of life.

Jack: Yeah. Sort of like what I think would happen if we died. People would see our body die, but we wouldn't see ourselves die. We would just be like, hey, I'm here. This is weird. What's happening?

Cristina: Yeah, that's interesting. Whoa.

Jack: So these creatures that just move forward, like, transform into this other thing, and to them it's just, well, I'm here. I'm doing my thing.

Cristina: Yes. But these things are. These creatures are so incredible. Like, infinite wisdom.

Jack: What the f*** does that even mean?

Cristina: I don't know. That's amazing. It sounds amazing. I don't know if that's actually an.

Jack: Amazing ability that makes it impossible to catch because it's always wiser than you are.

Cristina: Yes. I remember some stories where they can turn into people. They like to turn into girls for some reason. And if they get drunk, they might end up like. Like a tail might pop up. But that could be before they get their nine tails. Is when they're a little bit more riskier and they'll do something. And the tail. They won't be able to hide their tail. They sometimes do show off their tail, so I don't know. Well, how infinite ones them helps them. So it's probably that they get it. I mean, they. By the time they reach infinite wisdom, they probably stop pretending to be humans and things like that, because they weren't doing very good at that. They weren't very good at that. So I'm guessing that's a younger fox. Yeah.

Jack: They don't have the infinite wisdom and maturity.

Cristina: Yeah. They also have gained the ability to see and hear anything anywhere in the world. They're omni. Whatever.

Jack: Omnipresent.

Cristina: Yes. Is that something omniscient? I don't know which one. There's so many omni stuff. The Omni one with hearing and seeing.

Jack: Yeah. I think omniscient covers all the bases.

Cristina: And when they get. And after a thousand years, they become Gold. I wonder if we'll see that in the Pokemon world.

Jack: First they become white, then gold.

Cristina: Yes. They either turn white or gold after a thousand years. Yeah. I thought it was at 100 years. But at 100 years they should have all their tails by a hundred years. But if they don't, then by a thousand years when they have it, they'll change the color which would be either white or gold.

Jack: Interesting, interesting. So they just live forever. They're immortal.

Cristina: They're immortal, yes. Who's counting these ages? What human is like, okay. Or are they? I guess because they're in their wisdom and whatever. Like they gotta be pretty human. They. You have to be able to count the years. Right.

Jack: Guess the stories down.

Cristina: Yeah. These foxes, like the people who kept.

Jack: Track of that like 700 year old turtle or whatever the f*** it was like the great, great, great, great grandparents had a photo with the turtle.

Cristina: Oh, that's so sick.

Jack: It was. There was a drawing of the turtle originally. Because there weren't cameras.

Cristina: Oh. And it just. That was the proof that it was the same turtle.

Jack: Yeah. Cuz the turtle stayed in the family.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then they just. There was like 12 or 13 sketches of the turtle. Because it would take. It would have a new thing done per generation. So I'm the father. I had it. My son is gonna do one with the turtle too. It's a family turtle.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: His son is gonna do one with the turtle. Eventually cameras happened.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we transition over. And it's really huge. Black and white.

Cristina: That's awesome.

Jack: Not even black and white. That's sort of like orangey old school film.

Cristina: And you said how long?

Jack: It was like 700-year-old turtle.

Cristina: 700-Year-Old turtle?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: It's a crazy old turtle that's older than a white fox. Oh my gosh. So turtles live forever.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Then they'll never become the spirit turtle.

Jack: Because they'd have to die in a seamless transition.

Cristina: Yes. But if those powers weren't crazy enough. There's so many powers. So many. They can possess people. They have fire and lightning. They are a Pokemon. They can appear in other people's dreams. They can fly.

Jack: The f****** omniscient part is what's crazy about this.

Cristina: It's just like see and hear everything.

Jack: And be everywhere all at the same time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like it's God. They just become God.

Cristina: It could create illusions. So. Yes. Like what? What?

Jack: Interesting. Just morph into a God.

Cristina: And those are its baby powers. The greater powers. You're not ready for this. Birth universes able to bend time and space.

Jack: Right, Right.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: That's very suicune.

Cristina: Mm. They can drive people mad. Which isn't that crazy already because of all the things they could already do.

Jack: To you, like weak sauce.

Cristina: And also shapeshift into tall trees or a second moon in the sky.

Jack: That's pretty hardcore.

Cristina: That's pretty hardcore. So if we ever see a second moon in the sky, you know, it's this white fox.

Jack: It's a fox. Another giant object about to collide into the moon and destroy our entire solar system as we know it. Yeah, it's just a fox.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh. And like succubus, they could drink the life out of you if they wanted. Through sex.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Why? I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. My question would be, like, would they want to, though? Like, they can if they wanted to.

Cristina: But they want to. I don't know. I guess they would because I guess.

Jack: It would be like different personalities and some are like, imma be the bad.

Cristina: Yeah. Because some are, I'm guessing, bad and some are really good and rainbow of them. Yes. Because there's some that just get married to a guy and then, like, he finds out what she is and she runs away.

Jack: In love, death and robots. There was a spirit girl who turned. Gets turned into, like, a robot, which, by the way, watch. Love, death and robots. Audience, this is just. Just pay attention to that show.

Cristina: Beautiful stuff.

Jack: But, like, that was that thing.

Cristina: I think so. I think it was the kitsune.

Jack: Yeah. It was just some iteration of that where she didn't have many tales. But it was the same thing.

Cristina: Yes, it was just a fox, spirit creature thing. I think it's like the Irish folklore where fairy can be considered a creature, a ghost, you know, all those combination of things. But it's still one type of thing. I feel like this fits into that.

Jack: I feel like too, because it's not necessarily a spirit. It. It's not really. But it's like. It's kind of getting there. It's getting to the point where it's not alive in our understanding of alive. It just ages into transcendence. That doesn't make sense.

Cristina: That doesn't.

Jack: It must be dying in the course. And the death it goes through is so different than what we understand as death.

Cristina: Yes, but we just. Yeah, we just don't understand it. So.

Jack: And it's. It died and now it's this new thing. Or we. We have to divide evolution into two things. There's gradual natural evolution and then there's celestial evolution, which happens in one Moment to another phase.

Cristina: Like, phase like. Yeah, but like, everyone around you would see death, though. Is that what it would be or.

Jack: No, in the case of just people. Yes. You just died and now you're always dead. In the case of one of these creatures, it seems like. Well, no, I hit the point. Bright light. Oh, my God, it's blinding. Light goes away. It's a different thing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Except even if we don't see that moment that happened there somewhere.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Where it's like it's slowly gotten wider and wider and grown extra tails, and at some point it started phasing in and out of existence.

Cristina: Like in Pokemon, where it's just one minute they're one thing, the next is another thing.

Jack: Yeah. It would be a quicker evolution than like humans evolving.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It takes us millions and millions of years. Theirs happens in the course of their lifetime.

Cristina: Yes, man. Ninetales are pretty cool, man. That anime was so awesome. Not anime that love death and robots. Love Death and robots episode. It's pretty cool, but yeah. So this Psychic Fox thing is probably what Ninetales was based on, right? We can agree to that.

Jack: I think so.

Cristina: Think so. And then in 1955, it was five adults and seven children. They went to the police station because they claimed that small aliens from a spaceship was attacking their farm. And they were in a. Like a shoot off with these aliens. And then the cops went to the farm just to make sure that they weren't like, attacking their neighbors instead or something. Because I don't think they assumed aliens. And they looked around and they only found the shells from the guns and hoes around the barn area. So there was shooting happening, but they couldn't find the aliens, Right?

Jack: Sounds about right.

Cristina: Yes. And the description of the aliens, Sableye, was inspired from this UFO encounter.

Jack: It. Wait, this came after that?

Cristina: Yeah. This is from the. Yeah.

Jack: And this is third generation, Right. This is like where it was still cool.

Cristina: Where it was still cool Pokemon.

Jack: Yeah. Before Pokemon got whack.

Cristina: Yeah. Who knew? They based things off of real weird events. I know, like they based on items and creatures and stuff, but aliens. I mean, they do have some aliens in the Pokemon world as well. Like Clefairy.

Jack: Yeah. She's a literal alien.

Cristina: She's a literal alien. Yes. So Sableye is also, or at least based on a real alien. That's pretty. That's probably one of the most interesting. The Pokemon. A lot of them are based on mythologies, or not a lot of them, but some of them are based off of mythologies and stabilized based On a real quote unquote event.

Jack: Yeah. There's a bunch of Pokemon based on a bunch of different things that are going on. Anywhere from just inanimate objects, animals to mythology, different mythical creatures and gods of different sorts as well as totally inanimate things. And like f******. Just not even inanimate things, but things that you couldn't hold. Like pollution.

Cristina: Pollution, yes. That's my favorite Pokemon pollution. Yeah.

Jack: Natural trash wonders like volcanoes are also Pokemon.

Cristina: Oh yeah? Yep. But did you know ghost too?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Do you know the Pokemon Mawile? Mawile. I hope that's you how you pronounce it. It's a plant Pokemon. And it has like a. A giant leaf on its head. And it has like a giant mouth in the back of its head.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: Malwa is based on Furikuchi una, which is literally means two mouthed lady.

Jack: Because there's a lady with two mouths in some folklore.

Cristina: Yes, it happens because she. Because she doesn't like eating or something. She doesn't want to eat. And the mouth. And I guess her body's still hungry even though she's not. She's choosing not to eat. So it's develops a mouth and then its hair is turn alive like a. Like an octopus legs or something, whatever. And it grabs the food and forces it inside the mouth that's hungry. Well, it doesn't force it into the mouth. It helps the mouth eat because she won't eat.

Jack: So it's one mouth forcing. It's one mouth being forced to eat.

Cristina: No, the no mouth is being forced to eat. The hungry mouth is eating. The hares is helping it eat.

Jack: Oh, I understand.

Cristina: Not her main mouth. Her main mouth does not want to eat. So she doesn't eat. But then the other mouth is made and then it just starts eating for the both of them. So she ends up eating double instead of one normal meal. Because she was just too. I don't know. I don't know why she chose. She chooses not to eat until she's anorexia.

Jack: Yes, it's the anorexia Pokemon.

Cristina: Yes. So most of these stories involve her marrying some guy who's like really greedy and he doesn't like to waste his money. So he sees this. This lady who doesn't eat and he's like whoa, Imma save so much money with this lady. And so they get married and then because she doesn't eat, she develops the.

Jack: Mouth and then the mouth eats the guy.

Cristina: No, he just gets scared when he see he finds out because I wonder if there's a Story. I haven't read one, though, of him finding out that she attacks him. There's probably horror movies like that, though. But yes. Then there's a Pokemon called Dunsparce. You know that Pokemon?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: It is so adorable. It is the cutest Pokemon ever. No, they're all cute. A lot of them are cute. Okay. And Dunspar is based on a creature called Sushi no Ko, which is like Japanese Bigfoot, which not like, doesn't look like him, but it's like a version of Bigfoot for them. Like, they see this creature, but there's no proof of its existence. And the Sushi no Ko looks pretty much like what the Pokemon's based on. It looks like a fat, fat snake that's had, like the body in the middle is super fat. Like it's just eating something.

Jack: And how does it move?

Cristina: It moves very oddly. It moves. It moves like a slug or snail. Like, I don't know, like it's going back and forth, forward.

Jack: Like it expands and contracts over and over.

Cristina: Yeah. Which is. I wish I could see this creature move. So, yeah, this is like an overweight, a fat snake that instead of slithering, it just moves forward. It's adorable. And the legends say that it can leap great bounds. It could leap over buildings and etc. And that's why they think the Pokemon has its little wings that it has. You know, it has these cute little wings that it probably doesn't use in the poke world. You know, those little things. So that's probably why it has it, because the creature is known to jump.

Jack: So it's like Magikarp.

Cristina: Like Magikarp, yes. Is Magikarp known for jumping over mountains?

Jack: Over mountains, yeah.

Cristina: So then it turns into a dragon. Although Magikarp is also based on a mythology, you know. You've heard of that one though, right?

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: I think it's Chinese. It's carps just trying to get up a mountain where there's a gate up there, the Dragon Gate. And if they can get up there, which is really hard to get there, they turn into a dragon. And that's Gyarados. So it's based on both magic.

Jack: Japanese dragon, too? No, it's a Chinese. Right. It's very Chinese dragon.

Cristina: It's. Yeah, I think it's Chinese. Yes. Yes. Some Tsuchinoko can speak. And they also love to drink alcohol, which is awesome. Wouldn't you want that as a pet? It's a fat worm that. What is it? Like, it moves towards you in a weird slug like way and likes to Drink alcohol and speak to you.

Jack: I wouldn't want that. Now that's weird.

Cristina: What? Who knows what Hit wants to say to you? Although it does have the habit to lie. So maybe it's a good thing that you don't want to talk to it. What could it be lying about? I want to know. It's lies.

Jack: Maybe it's sarcastic lying. Maybe it's like, yeah, man, I was gambling outside and it's like you've been slowly been creeping around the house the whole day just pretending it had like a real cool. Like, I bet you don't know where I was today. Like, I've seen you crossing the living room for the past seven days. Yeah, you've been nowhere.

Cristina: Oh my gosh, what an awesome fact. Oh, that is so awesome. I hope it's exactly like that.

Jack: Always just sarcastically cracking stupid jokes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There aren't necessarily lies as much as they are just sarcasm.

Cristina: Yeah. That's beautiful. And it's always has some excuse of why the beer bottle is empty or whatever.

Jack: And he knows, you know, but he's also like totally not like being upfront about it.

Cristina: Yes. So awesome.

Jack: Where's that beer can empty? I don't know. I found it like that.

Cristina: Man, they should make this Pokemon even more like the Sunoku because it already looks like it. Why not make it behave like that? That is awesome. Not very kid friendly though.

Jack: No, it's very adult content.

Cristina: Well, if they ever want to make Pokemon an adult contest type of show. Because they do that. They do that. This creature also likes to swallow its tail and it rolls around like a wheel.

Jack: What does that mean?

Cristina: Like a wheel? Like in a circle. Like it has its mouth. The tail is in its mouth, so it's a circle on it.

Jack: So it just becomes an Ouroboros at random?

Cristina: Yeah, it becomes an Ouroboros. They think it's similar to a hoop snake. Have you heard of a hoop snake that's a legend in America and Australia.

Jack: I haven't heard of a hoob snake.

Cristina: Well, I guess over here in Australia and in Canada, people have seen snakes bite their tail and turn into wheels. I don't know. That's a really wild. Snakes are weird, I guess. I don't know if any pet snakes have done that, but they swear they've seen snakes do that in the wild, I guess. That's so cool. What do you think about Sneasel?

Jack: Great Pokemon. It's kind of overpowered.

Cristina: What type of Pokemon is it? A dark Pokemon?

Jack: Yeah, it's a dark. Dark and normal or some s***. I'm not sure. Maybe it might be pure dark. I'm not sure.

Cristina: The sneasel is based on a Japanese creature called the Kama Itachi, which is the words for sickle and weasel.

Jack: Sickle, weasel, Sickle, weasel.

Cristina: Which. It looks like a weasel with sickles for its hands. It.

Jack: It doesn't really look like a weasel. No, really, it looks like, physically like our metaphoric definition of a weasel. Like a sneaky person.

Cristina: Oh, it just looks like a sneaky person.

Jack: Yeah, it's.

Cristina: You wouldn't trust that guy.

Jack: No, it's probably gonna steal some s***.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, these kami. These kama Itachi are so, so scary. They're so scary. They're sneaky for sure. They like to. They like to hunt in three, and they move very quickly around you. The first one knocks you down. The second one uses its long sickle like hands and cuts your leg off. And the third one heals your wound. And then you don't realize you were attacked because they're stealing parts of your leg. They're stealing meat to eat for later. Cause that's cool. Oh, my gosh. That's horrifying.

Jack: That's pretty f***** up.

Cristina: Yes. You would just think that you were tripped, but that's what really happened. Why you tripped. That is the story of why you tripped. These three sneaky creatures ripped your leg off. Well, they didn't rip your leg. Oh. They ripped your leg open, took some meat, and then sewed it back up like nothing happened.

Jack: So never notice.

Cristina: Yep. What?

Jack: No harm, no foul.

Cristina: No harm. Like tripping over there? That sucks. What? I mean, I guess it could be happening over here and you wouldn't know because they move so fast. There's a Pokemon called the Manectric, which has. It's very bluey and yellowy and it's electric. And it's based on a Japanese legend of Raiju, which is a thunder wolf or dog. Thunderdog. Thunder beast. It's a thunder animal. It could be anything, really, because it has many different. You know how the other one had a. It could be a cat or a dog or flies or fireflies for the carbuncle. Well, this one, it could be a cat or a dog or a mouse. It could be a fish. It could be a squirrel. There's so many different.

Jack: So it's a shapeshifter.

Cristina: Yes, I guess so.

Jack: But the main form, by saying it's a shapeshifter.

Cristina: Yes, but the main form, I guess, that it likes to. It prefers, is a dog. And this dog when it walks around, its body is made out of lightning. And in bad weather, it likes to run around. And that's why you see lightning and thunder, because that's it jumping around everywhere.

Jack: It's hanging out in the sky on.

Cristina: Top of buildings and trees and stuff. Wherever you see, like, marks, burnt marks where lightning has struck, that's really the Raju.

Jack: Okay, that makes sense.

Cristina: Also, another Pokemon that might be based on this is Raichu, which is also electric, but it's the mouse. But this thing looks like whatever, so there could be any electric Pokemon based on this.

Jack: It's like almost all folklore are about some sort of shapeshifter.

Cristina: Yeah. My favorite thing of this Raju creature is it's the companion of Raijin, who's the God of lightning. And whenever he looks for him, he strikes at him to wake him up from where he sleeps. And where this creature likes to sleep, sleep is in belly buttons.

Jack: So he becomes microscopic? Not microscopic, but super tiny.

Cristina: Yes. So people during thunderstorms lie on their stomach so that it won't sleep in their belly button. Also, there's stories that he only sleeps on your belly button if you're sleeping outside. Fair.

Jack: That makes sense.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know. It's a cute story. It's not a cute story because I guess you die in the end of that story. But it likes to sleep in your belly button. I don't know why, but it does. I want to see that Pokemon turn into a tiny thing and, like, sleep in Ash's belly button. No, that would be weird. That would be really weird. But there's a legend about this creature about. In a stormy night, a samurai drew his sword in the right time because he struck something. A lightning bolt. And of course it. Well, when he struck the lightning bolt, the whole area became smoky. And he didn't see what happened until the smoke cleared. And then he saw a dead Raiju on the ground.

Jack: Why did he attack lightning?

Cristina: I don't know. Because he thought his blade could do something. I feel like that would kill him.

Jack: Though his blade did do something. But, like, why did he know?

Cristina: He's got six sense. 10 cents. He's got super sense. That's how great it is. I guess the highest level of samurai in this. Is there belt in samurai? Is there, like, a high samurai level of, you know, like in karate?

Jack: I have no idea.

Cristina: Then there's Ho Ho. You know Ho ho.

Jack: Ho oh.

Cristina: Ho oh. You know Ho oh. Can you guess what Ho oh was based on?

Jack: Ho oh.

Cristina: It is a firebird. How many firebirds do you know it's a phoenix? Yes, it's a phoenix. It's a phoenix. In Japan, the phoenix is called Ho. Oh.

Jack: Ah.

Cristina: So, yes, they didn't really switch up anything. It's really just the phoenix in the game. There's no magic happening there. I mean, it's not really based on. It really is just. Just the Phoenix. It's just the Phoenix. When it comes to those birds, is there just one in the world or are there multiple?

Jack: That is a fantastic question. There are three legendary birds. Three legendary dogs. Mew, Mewtwo. We at least know Mewtwo for a fact. There's only one. Yes, there's Lugia. Ho. Oh, and like, what about all the Regis? What about Celebi? What, like, is there one of these m************? Just one of each.

Cristina: How does that work?

Jack: Where the f*** did it come from?

Cristina: Yes. Unless the God monster, the God Pokemon made them.

Jack: I think so.

Cristina: Is one of them.

Jack: I think so. I think it comes. It breaks down in that fashion.

Cristina: But what happens when one dies?

Jack: They're gone.

Cristina: They're just gone.

Jack: Yeah. I think it starts at the God Pokemon, Whatever the f***. Arceus.

Cristina: I have no idea.

Jack: Then created the universe. And Mew is Jesus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Mew made the living things.

Cristina: Well, then that's not very Jesus. Like, God made everyone.

Jack: So I guess he's God.

Cristina: Yeah, he's really God.

Jack: Because Arceus is the God of the gods.

Cristina: Yeah. They're just seeing the Christian God is made by this other God.

Jack: Yeah, the Christian God was made by Arceus.

Cristina: Yeah. Maybe there's a Pokemon called Whiscash, which is a catfish Pokemon. Or I think it's a giant cat. I would say it is.

Jack: It's a catfish.

Cristina: It's a catfish with giant whiskers. Very simple. It's based on a catfish creature. In Japan, in the Japanese myth, there is a catfish named Namazu, which likes to create earthquakes and stuff just by flapping its tail. It's just so huge that it creates earthquakes.

Jack: And this Pokemon is that big?

Cristina: I don't think it's that big, but it has attacks that are similar. It creates earthquake attacks. Isn't that a Pokemon attack?

Jack: Water and ground?

Cristina: Yeah, it's water and ground. That's exactly the type. Is there many water and ground? Because isn't ground weakness to water? So, yeah.

Jack: So this Pokemon's particularly overpowered.

Cristina: Well, yeah, there's Zap. Zapdos. I don't know if we talked about Zapdos. Not Zapdos, but what he's based on which is the Thunderbird. I don't know if we talked about the Thunderbird before.

Jack: The f*** is a Thunderbird?

Cristina: Okay, good. Well, Thunderbirds are mythical creatures that the Native Americans believed in, right? And they created thunders and they control lightning and all that stuff. Good stuff. And they like there was a bunch of different tribes and they have all these different ideas of it and most of it revolves around like they're here to either watch over us, to see that we're doing the right thing, you know, like good or bad or whatever. And they'll punish us if we're bad. There's some like they. They're fighting water creatures. There's like giant snakes or giant water creatures that they. That are the enemies of these birds for some reason. So they have this epic fight and that's what's creating those thunderstorms and stuff is just the fight of these animals.

Jack: Like Battle of the Titans or something.

Cristina: Yeah. So it's some underworld creature versus giant bird creatures. There's a Pokemon called Golok which looks like a robot. He looks like a giant robot?

Jack: Yeah, he's a Golem, not a robot.

Cristina: He's a Go. Well, he is a Golem. He's based on a Golem. How can you tell he looks like. I mean, besides this picture that I have of him next to the Golem he's based on. How could you tell he's a Golem?

Jack: Does not look like a robot to me.

Cristina: I don't know what a Golem looks like.

Jack: Sonic Ripoff Eggman designed robot. Are you talking about he looks exactly.

Cristina: Like a Sonic Ripoff.

Jack: I see that. I see exactly why you think he looks like a robot.

Cristina: What do you think he looks like a Golem? What Go have you seen?

Jack: He looks like every. Every Golem looks like that. They're all the same s***.

Cristina: They're all just giant creatures. Oh, there's a Pokemon called Golem. He doesn't look like a Golem.

Jack: Yeah, Golem isn't a Golem.

Cristina: He's not a Golem.

Jack: No, Golem is not a Golem. Golem is a rock. He's specifically a Indiana Jones esque boulder.

Cristina: But those golems all look like different things. Like maybe it is a Golem made out of rocks. No, some of them look fiery.

Jack: Like there are golems made of rocks. But Golem is an Indiana Jones boulder. The one you push off and then roll down the hill.

Cristina: Oh my God.

Jack: That's what he is.

Cristina: Why did they name him Golem? This Pokemon deserves that name. But Golek Golurk. But to Golurk is based on a golem that helped the Jews from one of the many times that they needed help. Because they needed help.

Jack: So golems are biblical?

Cristina: Yes, I guess so. They're Jewish creatures. The Jews make them, and they're magical.

Jack: Jews make golems.

Cristina: I guess they got magic. That's why the Christians hate them. They're like, magic is evil. And we came from that. That is evil. I don't know. I don't know how it works. Maybe they're jealous of that power because.

Jack: They don't have it.

Cristina: They don't have it, Exactly. They've lost. They've lost the powers of creating golems.

Jack: Chew magic.

Cristina: Yes. Well, if you see in the picture, the specific golem in the story has. What would you call those bandages? And the Pokemon golem has that too, you know, I don't know what's called the. And the symbols on it is just, what, magic writing on it, I'm guessing, like runes keep it alive. Like runes? Do they know runes? I don't know. Well, it could be a combo of things, I guess. But in the Pokedex, it says that they're created by the ancient people with the goal of protecting humans and Pokemon, which is what the regular golem is created.

Jack: That's what my golem in Minecraft does. It protects us from creepers and things of such nature.

Cristina: So all golems. Golems are made for that purpose.

Jack: But some golems become evil.

Cristina: They do.

Jack: I don't know. Maybe they're owned by a bad guy. They're just protecting whoever made them, I think. Whoever they're cast to protect.

Cristina: Oh, so they're not really good or bad.

Jack: Yeah, they're probably not even conscious.

Cristina: Yeah, probably.

Jack: There's nothing going on. It's just.

Cristina: Are they like Frankenstein?

Jack: Well, no, that's alive.

Cristina: Oh, okay. It's not alive.

Jack: No, it's not. It is. He's biological.

Cristina: What level of alive is he?

Jack: He's closer to, like, fire, I guess.

Cristina: Okay, but you.

Jack: I guess. He's not alive. Alive. He's. He's alive, but not by a lot. He is biological, d*** it. He's. Yeah, he's biological.

Cristina: He can't think. He can't. He has no needs.

Jack: Frankenstein.

Cristina: No, I'm talking about the golem.

Jack: Oh. Oh, I didn't realize. We saw it back.

Cristina: Yeah. What is he. How alive is he?

Jack: He's not alive.

Cristina: He's not alive at all.

Jack: Basically, a robot that you control with magic instead of electronics.

Cristina: Oh, Even if he looks human.

Jack: Yes. Kind of like a Android that you control remotely.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Okay. That's all that it is. Okay.

Jack: Anyways. Anyways, we are running out of time.

Cristina: All of that came from black cats.

Jack: Black cats and Pokemon.

Cristina: Yes. So beware of these creatures in the woods or something. If you're in the woods with your friend trying to get them to listen to an episode. Is that what happened?

Jack: No. You wandered in the woods with your laptop and a boombox.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: And you were trying to get strangers you came across in the woods to listen to the show with you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And I guess you stumbled upon a black cat and. Or something.

Cristina: Yes. And you're using it for treasure hunting.

Jack: Yes. But now, all things considered, this isn't the only episode with Pokemon that we have. There are actually a couple of episodes where we mention Pokemon in different. There's no Pokemon specific episode. No, but there are episodes that have a lot of Pokemon, including one where we try to find out if there's cannibalism. No. There's pollution in Pokemon.

Cristina: Yes. And hysteria. The Pokemon hysteria. But that was based on real life and not the game.

Jack: Yeah. Wow. We. Do we talk about Pokemon? This is the official Pokemon show.

Cristina: We rarely talk about HO1. That's why I thought, why not we.

Jack: Talk about Pokemon enough for this to be the official Pokemon show.

Cristina: Okay. This is the official Pokemon show.

Jack: At least for this episode.

Cristina: For this episode. Come back for more.

Jack: Find those episodes. If you want some more Pokemon in your life or anything else, you can find those on the official website. Greatthoughts.info on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and pretty much anywhere you get your podcasts.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and TikTokisconvopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe and rate. And if you feel so inclined to review the show with whoever you're forcing.

Cristina: To listen to, let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth is very important. So you find people who you care about and love and tell them, hey, just conversation me, you, glass of wine, midnight stars sitting on the beach.

Cristina: They want to be listening to us.

Jack: Yes. And then as soon as you're done with the episode, you play the killers on the beach. Make sure it's about to start raining.

Cristina: No, that sounds very great. It sounds like a great night.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: Because here's what I would say. Maybe he was the first saint.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And thus his death got associated with oversleeping because all the other saints would later be living saints. But no, they all have to be dead. So based on this, they're all the saints of oversleeping. If he's not the saint of roosters. Roasted.

Cristina: Roasted. He is the thing of roasted. I don't.

Jack: He's the saint of roasted rooster.

Cristina: It's over sleeper. Because the. I get it. Sort of, I guess, like the rooster, you. You get woken up by a rooster, but the rooster's dead, so you over.

Jack: So. Okay, Okay.

Cristina: I don't know how that. You know, then. What a crazy story.

Jack: It's a title. Not a thing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's just. We needed to call you something, but.

Cristina: We'Re gonna pray for you if we oversleep, I guess. Or not to oversleep.

Jack: The question is, is that how it works?

Cristina: Yeah, I think so.

Jack: You pray to them for the thing?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Really?

Cristina: Yeah, I think so. Like, there's specific prayers people made for these saints. If you can't make up your own prayer or whatever, you can just find a prayer dedicated to them for a specific thing.

Jack: Interesting, interesting.

Cristina: So people pray for him to not oversleep? I guess. Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

January 16, 2021

Rambling 116: Bloodsuckers

January 16, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

Just Conversation, BLood Sucker, Horror, Vampire, Chupacabra, Alien, Ghost, Demon, Witch, Catholic

Are all blood sucking creatures shapeshifters or is there a more sinister hidden agenda by a large global organization at play? Unpacking Bloodsuckers and their possible origins.

Continuing their investigations into shapeshifters, Cristina befriends and bribes one of them by offering the lives of several Sub-Humans in exchange for information on others of its kind. Once the beans get spilled, the secrets revealed become greater than either of our two heroes could have ever anticipated. Find out what secrets were revealed and who is behind the creation of all these creature on this episode of Just Conversation.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

The Catholic Church
Bloodsuckers
Shapeshifters
The Boogeyman
El Cuco
Monster Creation
Witches

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Cristina: Welcome to Just Conversation, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

Cristina: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to. To get notified the second new episodes are released.

Jack: Yes. And also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner, so be sure to grab somebody and force them to listen to the show with you. There is no options in their lives.

Cristina: I thought that was the last year's thing. I thought we were doing a new thing this year.

Jack: Changed my mind.

Cristina: What, so you're gonna force people to listen to our show again?

Jack: Yes. They only have to do it once.

Cristina: Every time?

Jack: No, Just once.

Cristina: Once?

Jack: Yeah. This is mainly for new listeners.

Cristina: But how? Wait, so the new listener is gonna get a friend?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: That will also be a new listener?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: How would the new listener know they have to pause the show? Like, I thought it was something that they already knew to do because they were already listening?

Jack: I don't know. No, they just. Look, they're listening to the show, then they go make somebody listen.

Cristina: But then they're not a new listener.

Jack: They were when they heard this.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. And then that's it. And then the next time they hear you say it, to do that, they don't do it because they already. Then they're not a new listener. Once they've accomplished it. Once.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Once it's done. Once you're good.

Cristina: Okay. Okay. But for the whole memory thing, that's.

Jack: Every episode, or is that once that happens every episode? I guess.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay, just checking. I've been busy doing some Illuminati stuff, man.

Jack: You've been busy doing some Illuminati stuff?

Cristina: I've been investigating bloodsuckers. Like, we were talking about vampires and werewolves. I had to go look for more that must be in this family of transforming creatures that don't really have a shape, but they, you know, like, they transform and they drink blood. That's the two things. Mainly, that relates where I'm hoping that relates to all these creatures together. So I was stalking them, which stalking is more like I became friends with them and sacrificed some of our employees to get to know these guys. And I want to talk about them. The first friend I made, his name, I'm going to call him Leap upon, because his name is in German, and I don't know how to say it, it's like off hocker. But we'll call him Leap upon because that's what it means. And they call him that because he leaps upon people like on their back and they rips their throat out.

Jack: This is a bloodsucker?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Yes, yes. Well, he bites into their throat to drink their blood. So yeah, alright, so my friend Leapy doesn't have an actual form, or at least he doesn't let us see it. All we know is that he can shapeshift into animals and humans. He likes to tear the throats out of people. He likes beating into people's necks. That's his favorite spot.

Jack: For what?

Cristina: For blood, for power. I don't.

Jack: So he's not eating the neck, he's drinking the neck. Drinking the neck.

Cristina: That's what I'm assuming. They compare him to a vampire. So I assume that he's drinking blood from the vamp. From the person.

Jack: Yeah. But he doesn't identify as a vampire.

Cristina: No, no he doesn't. He can't be killed. And sunlight and church bells scare him like they do vampires. I don't know what, why they have that in common, but they do.

Jack: Spells scare vampires?

Cristina: Yes. In some stories.

Jack: I am unfamiliar with this.

Cristina: Yes. And the sunlight. You know about the sunlight? Yes, yes. Well, the. The leaper, Leapy is also afraid of sunlight. He likes to walk around abandoned roads in the dark of night, of course. And he likes to transform into dogs or saddle. Ladies. I wonder if he looks like a werewolf too. Like is that dog abnormally big?

Jack: The dog he turns into?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Is the dog humanoid? Should be the question.

Cristina: Humanoid? Is that like the werewolf?

Jack: Yeah, like a big two legged hand having human eyes. Human eyes? Wolf cross looking thing with one leg.

Cristina: Missing because it's pretending to be a tail.

Jack: Not while standing upright. That's when it's running?

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: When it's just standing upright, it's revealed itself.

Cristina: Yeah. It's crazy because whoever it's attacking on this lonely road can't see it. So how do they know? I mean, I guess some people have gotten away from it. As long as you run to a church, you'll be safe, I think.

Jack: As long as you run to a church?

Cristina: Yeah. Like you cross the line of whatever is the holy church place and the abandoned road or whatever you're traveling on. If it's chasing you down, I think it jumps on your back and it pulls you down, like gets heavier and heavier on your back. And if you make it though, it can't cross so you live.

Jack: Do you have to Be running from it or can you. Like, if you're in a car, is it going to break into the car?

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: Like, what. What extent are we looking at here?

Cristina: Yeah, I think you. You have to be walking. Think he just got to be walking this road alone.

Jack: So he's not like unbelievably fast where he could catch you in a car.

Cristina: Yeah. I wonder if there's some motorcycle accidents because he jumped on. He tried to jump on their back or whatever during that. That'd be crazy.

Jack: Like he'd need some accuracy for that.

Cristina: Maybe he has the speed of a dog. How fast is that?

Jack: Not faster than a bike.

Cristina: Not faster than a bike. Oh, how about a regular bike?

Jack: Like a bicycle? Yeah, I think, I think a bicycle could outrun a dog.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Then you're safe. Unless you're.

Jack: You gotta be like really going in though, on the bicycle.

Cristina: Oh, what?

Jack: We're talking like fast, fast, like speed bike type s***.

Cristina: Yeah. But you won't know that it's chasing you until it's on your back. So.

Jack: Yeah, you wouldn't be driving like exuberantly quick.

Cristina: Yeah. So it'll get you. And then you're just gonna have this painful thing trying to suck the blood out of your neck until you cross to the church.

Jack: Seems s*****.

Cristina: Yeah. In Belgium, there's a hellhound that also does kind of the same thing. So it could be a different form of this creature, but they give it a different name because it's in a different place. So it could still be leapy hanging out over there, but they call him something else.

Jack: So you're telling me he himself is going to these places?

Cristina: Yeah. And he turns into a hellhound who stalks the roads and does the same thing over there that he does in Germany, which is ripping out people's necks. That's his favorite thing.

Jack: Like, what are the origins of this thing?

Cristina: I think vampires.

Jack: You think it's just a vampire origin. So he's basically like a legit shapeshifter.

Cristina: Yeah. Or like, I guess it's more to do with dead people than anything of what is happening with dead people. Are they really dead?

Jack: Are dead people really dead?

Cristina: Yeah, I think that's the fear of just, what if the dead person isn't really dead? And then all these stories come out of that.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting, yes.

Cristina: Other people describe it as a zombie or a type of vampire or werewolf. We already talked about vampire, but for the zombie werewolf thing, I guess for werewolf, because it could turn into the form of a werewolf, actually. So it does I don't know. I. Yes. But yeah, in Germany, it can also turn into a werewolf. In Germany, there's another being. I think it's the same creature, is a type of. This being. It's the name for. I think anyone. Dead people, ghosts, zombies, all those things. They're called Ones who Walks Again.

Jack: Ones who Walk Again, yes.

Cristina: That's how they refer to the zombies and the ghost stuff. And they usually come to. They believe the dead person returns to the world of the living, usually to cause problems and scare people and for revenge. A lot of it's revenge stuff.

Jack: So they're basically just like unfinished business type of ghosts.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. And they also might think that the. The. What is the Leaper dude is one of those things.

Jack: So now the question here is they think it's a human who died.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then becomes a sort of an anomalous thing.

Cristina: Or this thing could take the form of that human who died.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Because it is a shapeshifter and they don't really know what it really looks like.

Jack: Fallout vibes for days.

Cristina: Fallout vibes, yeah.

Jack: Replacing people with synths that are identical.

Cristina: Yes. So it could be that. Who knows?

Jack: Interesting. So it replaces the person, essentially.

Cristina: Yeah. In parts of Germany, they also think that the dead people have telepathic powers. In the grave, they gnaw on their own clothing and that somehow drinks the lifeblood of people that they know somehow. So it's a kind of vampirey thing. But they're not really sucking blood or anything.

Jack: I don't get why they're biting the clothing.

Cristina: Their own clothing. I don't know. Because that's the only thing they could shoe on. So they shoe on their own clothes while maybe thinking about that person, and then that person starts dying.

Jack: That's weird.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know how that happened, but yeah.

Jack: Interesting, interesting.

Cristina: And they also think that these undead people can rise out of the grave and jump on the back of people like the. The Leaper dude.

Jack: What is up with the back jumping? There's not like other things. They got one trick, that's it. There's nothing else.

Cristina: Well, they got blue sucking too.

Jack: No, that does nothing. They just. When they attack people, they always hop on their back. That's it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The one move.

Cristina: Yeah. It's the most. Like, you never expect it unless you do, because you heard all these stories.

Jack: And then what you're facing it. Well, it's disarmed.

Cristina: But how are you gonna face it? They'll always find your back. You can't walk backwards. And then it will just pop up on your back.

Jack: You happen to turn around as it's about to leap, but it didn't yet. And then you see it there and it freezes and it's like, I've been caught.

Cristina: There's no way. How would you know? Unless it has, like, really loud footsteps, I guess.

Jack: No, you. By chance, you were walking away, and you're like, I forgot my keys, and you turn around to go back inside, and boom, it's right there.

Cristina: I think it could move quickly. I mean, it has werewolf. It could turn into a werewolf. It could run around you and then jump on your back.

Jack: If it's a werewolf, you're hearing it.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know. Maybe it's able to predict where your back is facing it.

Jack: So what you're telling me is this creature only exists behind us.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so, like, if you were to turn around, it wouldn't be there because it's only existent behind you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Where you're not facing is the only place it could be.

Cristina: Mm. Unless it's in the grave that you're looking.

Jack: You can see it in the grave?

Cristina: Yeah. If it's a dead person.

Jack: No, it's just a dead person.

Cristina: Well, if you believe that dead person is also leaping out of its grave to attack people's back.

Jack: It's not, though.

Cristina: There's some dead people who do it, too.

Jack: Who. They leap out of their grave onto people's back.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Is this, like. Is there experiences about this?

Cristina: Oh, I don't know any. I don't know any. I do. I have found other experiences for other creatures, just not this one. Oh. I do know, though, that besides just carrying them to the churchyard to get rid of them off your back, you could also get rid of him, the leaper dude, by praying or by a spell. I don't know what spells or prayers gets him off your back, but the leaper kid get off your back by.

Jack: I'm sure if you go ask a priest, he'll know.

Cristina: He knows about spells.

Jack: He did. Look, Catholics made this, too. Anytime you insert religion into it and you could pray something away, Catholics made it up.

Cristina: I mean, it goes away once you get to the church, too, so.

Jack: Yeah. There's many incentives.

Cristina: Find out that the Church makes these creatures.

Jack: Yeah. There's probably a lab at the basement of the Vatican or some crap.

Cristina: Yes. Where they're keeping Jesus.

Jack: Yeah. And they're just making these creatures all the time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What, if anything, at some point we should go, like, free Jesus or something.

Cristina: I don't know. What? What are they protecting him with? Probably with these creatures that they're making.

Jack: Fair enough. But we have the technology.

Cristina: Our superhuman versus their superhuman. Yeah, but an interesting war. You can do it then. There's a creature called the Night Waster. It's a very strange creature. It's recognized by it holding out the thumb of one hand in the other and walking around like that, only with its left eye open.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because it's a weirdo. I think it's also a dead person too. But you could recognize it by. Because he's holding his thumb and what is it? His left eye is open while he's holding his one thumb in the other hand. Or something like that. He has the ability to kill family members through magic. And while in his grave he's like the cloth thing. He's a person in the grave sucking his clothes. But this one, after it eats its own clothes, it starts feeding on its own flesh. Gross. Gross. But at least it will be easy to find the one that's this creature killing your family or a person killing your family. I'm not sure if it's a creature or a person that you know. Or both. I guess your dead relative became a creature.

Jack: None of it feels like they're creatures. They.

Cristina: They just feel like dead people just sound like zombies. Like zombies. Maybe they're all zombies. But they could transform.

Jack: So that doesn't sound like any of them have transformed in these examples.

Cristina: What? The leaper dude transforms into werewolves.

Jack: Fair enough. He transforms. This other guy is just a gu. He seems like a guy. He seems like he's just a guy.

Cristina: Actually this one is just a guy. I don't know how he got here, but he's just a guy. That I thought was interesting. Alright. I made a lot of friends with shape shifting bloodsuckers and he happened to not be one. But he does suck blood. Or I guess not really because he's sucking the soul out of his family members and eating himself and eating himself.

Jack: Good times.

Cristina: And it also feeds off the. Off the bodies of other corpses. Because that's cool, I guess.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And he also mates with women who are dead from childbirth. I don't understand mating. Like he's having children with these dead women. I guess he sounds like a creature, doesn't he? Or he's still a zombie now.

Jack: I mean, as soon as he starts mating, that goes out the window. The fact that he could mate is way off. Yeah, like that doesn't make sense at all.

Cristina: Yeah. So while he's eating his own clothes and his Own flesh. His family members are becoming are dying off, getting. Losing their life. And it's getting stronger. And then he becomes a wing dingo. Was it the Win Dingle? One of them. Those creatures that were like, you need to be strong and then you become that thing.

Jack: You're telling me the goal of this creature is to make a family get an in. Home gym workout daily until he gets shredded. And once he's shredded, he can transcend into Windingo.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I think it was the West Shooge.

Cristina: The West Shoosh. Yeah, it's the West Shooch. It was the Westchooge. And it's possible to find this dude by the sound of sucking it makes. Because it has the thumb, I guess. Also. No, I guess that's sucking of its own clothes. Yeah. So if you hear sucking in the graveyard, it's probably the night wasps waster.

Jack: Or necrophilic b******.

Cristina: Or that. Oh, my gosh. It could be that with his dead wife.

Jack: Oh, it could just be some random straggler made it into the graveyard, dug up a recently dead body and blew him.

Cristina: Wow. And then that's how these stories were made.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: I don't. You do not have to be bitten to become one of the night wasters. If a child was born with part of that sack thingy on his head, then you just have to feed him the sack thingy so he doesn't have to become the creature after he dies. I don't know what the sack is called. The water sack.

Jack: What?

Cristina: The thing that the baby's born with.

Jack: The placenta.

Cristina: Is it the placenta? Maybe there's a sack that's with the baby when it's growing. Okay. There's some. Some things you can do to get rid of the night waster, which is placing a chunk of earth under his chin.

Jack: Right. How would you get to him to do that?

Cristina: From hearing the sucking sound. You heard the sucking sound? You follow the sucking sound to the grave where the guy Follow the sucking.

Jack: Sound to the guy who's gonna try to kill you.

Cristina: He's dead. Or he's pretending to be asleep with his one eye open and his thumb in his hand or whatever. And you throw dirt in his. Under his chin. Or maybe you do this to every person that dies to avoid. To avoid the transformation. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. That makes a lot more sense.

Cristina: Okay. Placing a coin or stone in their mouth also. So I guess that will stop them from chewing with a coin or stone in their mouth. Tying a handkerchief around their neck. We're placing nets and stockings inside the Grave nuts. Nuts.

Jack: Nets like tree nuts.

Cristina: Nets.

Jack: Nets. What?

Cristina: Nets like fishing nets.

Jack: Got you. And that just tangles him up and then he's screwed.

Cristina: I guess so. And the extreme ways to get rid of him is getting rid of his head, of course.

Jack: That sounds pretty familiar. That's all. The bloodsuckers have that problem going on.

Cristina: Yes. Even though he's not really a bloodsucker, but you know, whatever, he's drinking life. So I guess he counts. He's sucking on something and that's the important part. Right.

Jack: Is he a shapeshifter?

Cristina: No, he's just a dead dude. He's a zombie. You could also drive a steak in its mouth and you could fix the tongue so it won't move around. Okay, those are the extremes. But back to shape shifting creatures. There's a guy called the Chanchan. He's a sorcerer from Chile or Argentina. And he transforms into a bird. And the birds are called Shon. Shon. And he turns himself into a bird by using a magical cream on his throat that removes his head and then the head becomes the creature.

Jack: Amazing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I would like to know how he doesn't bleed out.

Cristina: The cream is magical.

Jack: Right?

Cristina: The magic of the cream is like, I guess, not letting his body bleed out.

Jack: Like with his head out, would we be able to see into his body?

Cristina: I imagine. No. I imagine the cream is just like covering that whole thing up. And you only see cream?

Jack: You only see cream?

Cristina: Yes. And this creature has the shape, of course, a human head with feathers and claws. Its ears become extremely large to be used as wings. Like a bird. Like a really strange, really horrifying bird.

Jack: Yes, it sounds pretty bad.

Cristina: It's a human head with feathers, claws and wings. Okay, but. Yes, but these are sorcerers. These are real people who are just deciding, I'm gonna become this thing. They do it for evil because these are evil sorcerers. Of course. It gives them the ability to drink blood from the ill and sleeping people. And I think that gives them more power. They do that for more power.

Jack: Interesting that. Only from people who are sleeping or dead. Ill. Ill people who are ill or sleeping. Fair. Yeah, that's interesting. Very vampiric, very Dracula esque. Sneak into your bed while you're knocked the f*** out, prey on you. You don't even know what happened until the morning when you just got two dots on you.

Cristina: Yeah. It's strange because it should be invisible. So I don't know how they know that it looks like a bird, but I'm guessing they found dead versions of It. And that's how they know, because it's invisible. And the only way you can tell that it's near is because it makes a cry. Toot, toot, too. If you hear that, run. No, it makes a weird sound and it's supposed to predict death of a loved one. So maybe it's hunting someone near you and that's why you hear it and then you know, oh, no, I had to watch out for my ill or sleeping lover.

Jack: That's weird, because if you hear it, there's no way you know what it is because you've never seen it. So, no. That's what you're hearing?

Cristina: Yes. You know something bad's gonna happen. I guess you at least know that much.

Jack: Do you, though? Is it more like, what the f*** was that?

Cristina: Maybe. But there's people who have caught it. There's people who have caught it somehow.

Jack: So they got proof this thing exists?

Cristina: Yes, of course. Maybe. So in order to repel this thing, there are some things you can do, which is draw the Solomon seal on the ground, laying out a waistcoat in a specific manner and reciting certain phrases or hymns. Is that religious? This is like a religious ceremony you gotta do. And then it will be repelled by you. It will force the Shunshun to leave or to fall to the ground, where it could be destroyed. Which I guess is the goal. To destroy it. Right. Unless you just want to abandon it. If you just abandoned it, it will come for revenge, though. So I would say destroy it.

Jack: It'll hunt you down if you ignore it.

Cristina: Yes. Actually, if you kill it, its friends might hunt you down. So that's a toughie. If the headless body of the sorceress is found, turning it onto its stomach prevents the Shunshun to return to it. I don't know why, but, Yes, if you put the body. Yeah, if you. I wonder how the body's laying. Is it standing or sitting? But if you place it on its stomach, the head can't go back. I don't know why. I feel like it just needs to, like, fight the right spot. Like, unless you're covering the neck somehow by laying it on its stomach. I don't know. My imagination is not very well because I can't see what's stopping the bird from going back to the neck of a person whose stomach is on the ground.

Jack: The cream is in the way.

Cristina: The cream is in the way?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Of what?

Jack: The one that made his head come off.

Cristina: The cream is in the way. No. I don't understand.

Jack: No, Isn't the cream covering the whole thing?

Cristina: Yes, well, of the neck. That's all I know.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: The cream is in the way of the bird.

Jack: The bird is the head.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So you're telling me the bird isn't covered in cream so I can look up and just see into the skull maybe?

Cristina: No, but I'm trying to imagine. Okay, The. The Be. The. The neck is still out while you're laying down, whether your stomach is.

Jack: But the cream is in the way.

Cristina: Do you understand? What are you talking about?

Jack: You said the cream blocks the whole area so that we can't see into the body from the top.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the same applies to the head, theoretically.

Cristina: So the cream is in the way. And that's why laying the body on its stomach stops the bird in any position.

Jack: That bird can't come back because the cream is in the way.

Cristina: Oh, in any position. Then what's the point? Okay, whatever.

Jack: To become a permanent bird.

Cristina: Nah. You could also yell at it, come back tomorrow for more for some salt. And then the next day he'll come to you in its human form to ask for salt. And then you'll know he's the bird.

Jack: He's not really a sorcerer at that point, is he? He's really like some kind of dude stuck in a pattern.

Cristina: It sounds like a vampire counting those rice.

Jack: No, it doesn't. It sounds like you staged some, like, setup and he, like, has to participate.

Cristina: Like the vampire counting. Like he has to participate in the counting of things, I guess. Well, one time there was a case where someone did. Ground one of the birds from using while he. He did the Solomon seal thing, that. That weird chant thing. And it caused the large bird to fall out of the sky. And they. They fed the bird to the dog. And then the belly of the dog grew into the shape of a face. And that's how they knew. And then later the local grave digger said some unknown people came to bury a headless body.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: So it's out there. But I think I would just ask it to come back tomorrow for some salt.

Jack: And then put it in a cage.

Cristina: And then put it in a cage. Well, then his friends will come. I don't know.

Jack: Put them in a cage.

Cristina: Put them in a cage. Okay. That's huge.

Jack: Open a bird sorcerer zoo.

Cristina: Yes. See if I can learn some of their magic. Like, they have to have more magic, right?

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Can't just be about drinking blood.

Jack: You keep promising to let them go if they teach you magic.

Cristina: Yes. Then there's Coco, who's a shapeshifter too. That's unknown, but like, whatever. The original form is unknown, but it could. There's so many stories of what it looks like. A dragon, werewolf, ghost with a skull like pumpkin head. A ghost monster. It's a ghost monster. That's what I think it is. Okay.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: I don't know. The way they describe it is very. They compare it to the Boogeyman because they scare their children with the Coco. What a name, Coco. It doesn't sound very scary, but this Coco creature lives in many, many countries, Hispanic countries, in Spain, Portugal.

Jack: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Is it Coco for a fact? It's not Cuco.

Cristina: Oh, Cuco. It could be Cuco. I don't know. It's spelled Coco, but I think it's said in. It could have had many different spellings. Oh, El Cuco? Is that what you're talking about?

Jack: El Cuco? Yeah.

Cristina: Yes. Cuco.

Jack: Ok. As well as El Cucuy.

Cristina: El Cucuy. Yes. So you heard of this because it's the Spanish creature.

Jack: It's the literal Spanish translation of the boogeyman.

Cristina: The boogeyman. That's what I said. Okay, the boogeyman. Yes. But have you, like, when you heard about it, what did he sound like? How was he described to you?

Jack: He's basically Slenderman.

Cristina: Slenderman? Ooh.

Jack: Yeah. He's some sort of shadowy figure, a horror you could not describe. He is always in dark places. He shows up when you least suspect, usually when you're by yourself. Yeah, Basic boogeyman things. He'll s***** you up.

Cristina: Yeah. He likes to take the shapes of shadows, dark shadows. To kidnap children, specifically. Does he eat those children?

Jack: Basically hiding in the closet or under the bed?

Cristina: Oh, yeah, but. And yeah, the thing about this thing, I don't know if he sucks the blood out of the children, but he definitely eats those children. He kidnaps them and eats them. That's believable if they're bad. I think that's what the parents say. If you're. If you're bad, the cook Coco will get you. The Coco.

Jack: Yeah. The boogeyman's gonna get you.

Cristina: Yeah. The biggie, man. Yeah. So you have to be good and he won't get you. So he's a child eater and a kidnapper. It's said to be out on it. Hangs out on rooftops, looking out for misbehaving children. Like Santa Claus.

Jack: I feel like a lot of people work with Santa.

Cristina: Yeah. Sometimes. It's also described as a hairy monster that it's because it's in so many. It's weird that it's the same creature, but because it's in so many different countries, all Spanish countries, it maybe. It takes forms of different things in each country.

Jack: It is a shapeshifter, so it's regional, like that's expected.

Cristina: Yeah. One origin story of the cuco that I found, it might not be the real origin story. Like, there's probably no origin story for this guy. But one of them was that a man was sick with tuberculosis. He was looking for a cure, so he looked for a healer, and she told him the cure was drinking the blood of children and rubbing their fat on his chest. Then he started kidnapping kids and drinking their blood. So there you go. He is a blood drinker.

Jack: So if this story was real, he'd be the first person to test out adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes, yes, yes.

Jack: And it turned him into some sort of freak of nature.

Cristina: Yeah. He walks up and down streets with a black bag looking for children. And that's. That's all I know about him. You know more about him than I do, but I guess you only know one version of him because there's so many different versions of him. But he looks like Slenderman in yours.

Jack: All the versions are more or less the same thing. They're pretty closely related.

Cristina: But you don't know what he did with those children.

Jack: I have no idea.

Cristina: Yeah, well, I'm saying he's a bloodsucker. Then there's the La Ga, who is a cousin to the French and Germanic werewolf. It's a shapeshifter from Trinidad. And Tro Bago Lagahoo. Laga who?

Jack: Interesting. And it looks like a wolf or some s***.

Cristina: No, I wish. I wish he did. But by day he's a normal man, but by night he is headless and he roams the night with a wooden coffin on its neck. And he also has chains around his neck which change sizes. And, like, one of his appendages is turned backwards, which is very. Werewolf. Maybe an arm or a leg is backward for some reason, I don't think, to hide a tail or anything. Maybe he's like a retarded werewolf.

Jack: This is actually really interesting. I've heard about something similar to that, and it's. You can actually. I think there was a movie with one of these in there.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: I think it was the 13th ghost that. There was the Jackal. It was a ghost with, like, a coffin on its head, essentially. And it's all contorted. It's the one that walks all weird and s***.

Cristina: It Was probably based on this guy.

Jack: Could definitely be interesting.

Cristina: But he could also shape shift into various animals, including horses, pigs, and goats and centaurs Or a creature that's similar to a centaur.

Jack: So pretty much anything, it seems.

Cristina: Yeah. And he's a blood sucker, but he doesn't suck the blood out of humans, which I guess is a good thing because he is horrifying. Description of him is just. I wouldn't want to see that. I really wouldn't. But he likes cows and goats.

Jack: That's cool. He's the good guy.

Cristina: He's like the Chupacabra, more or less.

Jack: Yeah. The Chupacabra isn't out there eating people.

Cristina: Yeah. But if he's eating your farm animals, you might want to kill him.

Jack: Why don't you just raise a couple of farm animals for him?

Cristina: That's cool too.

Jack: Try to get him to out his people and create a community where they protect your farm and in return, you feed them. You feed them.

Cristina: That's awesome. Yes, let's do that. But if you do want to kill him, you can beat him with a stick that has been anointed with holy water and holy oil for nine days. To kill the creature, you have to beat him with a stick that's been in holy water for nine days. That's very church related, man.

Jack: They're all church. The Catholic church designs monsters.

Cristina: Yes. And while you're beating it, it changes into other creatures like a dog, a horse, cat, pig. It even changes into a thunderous waves of water and finally disappears into a black mist. And then you dead. Then it's dead. It's very interesting. Transformations. I feel like we heard a ghost story of. Was it transformations or it was just things crossing the road after the other and it was just different.

Jack: Yeah, it was a ghost story.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: It was like a guy crossed the road chased by a ghost or something. An old man? No, he was just a chicken or some s***, right?

Cristina: Yeah, chicken and a dog and a cat. I don't know. It was a child story. I don't know what was happening. But yes, this creature has that same type of thing going on.

Jack: But it was a Clinton road story, I believe. No, it was a different road.

Cristina: Different road. It was a different road. Yeah. Then there's this other thing. We'll call him one foot. Well, actually, his name, I guess if you translate it, is one foot in Spanish. Pata sola. Pata sola.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Well, that's a South American monster. She lives in the jungle. She appears to men in the middle of the wildness. And she lures them into the jungle to eat them. To reveal her true form. We know her true form at least. Like she looks like a woman but she's really a one legged creature with vampire like lust for human flesh and blood. And she attacks them and devours their flesh and sucks the blood out of her victims. Very vampire.

Jack: She's like a succubus.

Cristina: Yes, but she's.

Jack: Or a siren.

Cristina: A siren.

Jack: The mermaid.

Cristina: Oh, mermaid. But she's not in the water.

Jack: Yeah, it's an out of water mermaid.

Cristina: Yeah. Do they drink blood? Oh man.

Jack: Mermaids. Kind of. Yeah.

Cristina: Succubus. No, not succubus. What was the other one?

Jack: Sirens.

Cristina: Sirens.

Jack: Sirens, Succubus, Incubus and mermaids.

Cristina: All half of those things are ghosts.

Jack: Ghosts?

Cristina: Yeah. Incubus and succubus are ghost creatures.

Jack: Those aren't ghosts.

Cristina: They. I thought they were.

Jack: No, those are monsters.

Cristina: Those are monsters. I thought those were ghosts.

Jack: I thought they were monsters.

Cristina: Really? Because I. Well from ghost shows there have been men who've been haunted by succubus.

Jack: Was it the ghost adventure guys?

Cristina: No, no, it was just people telling their ghost stories of the haunted house that they lived in or whatever.

Jack: Oh my God.

Cristina: And the way that these creatures are described are like ghosts, but stronger I guess. Stronger?

Jack: No, best case scenario, it's a demon.

Cristina: Oh yeah, like a demon. But I guess in a way it looks like a ghost because it looks like nothing. Because you can't say you see a ghost.

Jack: No, these things are visible.

Cristina: These things are visible.

Jack: You, a succubus, an incubus. Mermaid and a siren are physical things you see.

Cristina: Okay. But they're not physically in your house. Like their physical bodies hiding in your house.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, that's how it goes. In fact. Specifically for the mermaid and the siren.

Cristina: Well yes, I know those two.

Jack: A group of people see them.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. Those are more monster like.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: While the other two I thought were more ghost. Like which. Their bodies aren't really physical.

Jack: No, I think their body. Look it up. I think their bodies are physical. Now google succubus to confirm.

Cristina: On the opposite end it says succubus here too. Female counterpart succubus.

Jack: Okay, so it's a demon, it's a.

Cristina: Physical thing, but it's not. I mean like yes, but no, because like you wake up and then it's not there, you know?

Jack: Right. It goes like this. You're at a bar, you see really hot chick. The boys also see the really hot chick. You and the boys Are like, yo, I'm gonna go flirt with that girl. Get her a drink and everything.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And you do. And you take her home and you do whatever. Except at some point you black out. You wake up, she's gone. Everybody saw her. She wasn't not there. She was physical and frightened.

Cristina: And for that guy that, that happened to, she wasn't there. She was there, but then she disappears. Like a ghost. He didn't pick her up anywhere. She was just living in his house.

Jack: He was probably dealing with some other s*** that wasn't an succubus.

Cristina: I don't know. I think they're more complicated.

Jack: It's a demon.

Cristina: Yeah. Demons could have ghostly bodies, can't they? I don't know.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Like they don't physically or. They don't have to physically be in your house, do they? I don't know. Whatever. Yes. Okay, let's continue. That'll be for another episode, maybe. Who knows? Then there's the Striga, who is a vampire witch that sucks blood of infants at night while they're sleeping. And then they. They like to turn into insects to go in, to sneak into the house of the child. And to protect yourself from the shriga, you have to make a cross out of pig bone and place it at the entrance of a church on Easter Sunday so that the sugar cannot leave. But I guess you're somehow supposed to know that it's in there. What's it doing in the church? Hmm? Entrance in the church. I guess it lives in your church. Then they could be captured and killed like any other thing. But also to protect yourself from this creature, you could put a silver coin in the blood that it drank from and wrap it in clothing. And then that it protects you from the creature. Once you wrap it up, you could wear as jewelry to protect yourself from the creature.

Jack: That's a really cool way to make an amulet.

Cristina: Yes, from blood.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I wonder if the blood stays soaked on the coin or something. Like it's magical blood now.

Jack: I mean, you wrapped it.

Cristina: You wrapped it. Yeah. Yeah. So in the legends, only the witch could cure those. She drained their blood. And if she doesn't? Oh, the way she cures people that she's bitten is by spitting in their mouth. And if she doesn't do that, they'll just get sick and die. And these witches aren't born, but they become one. Because either she is childless or is made evil by envy. And a strong belief in God could make people immune to the witch. He could protect them.

Jack: Sounds Very. How do I put it? Consistent.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, very consistent. You believe in God, you pray, you go to church. All these monsters will f*** off.

Cristina: Mm. There's something going on there.

Jack: Yeah, always. They're responsible for all the creatures. Or they got packs with all these creatures.

Cristina: They got packs. They're making these creatures.

Jack: Maybe they are the creatures.

Cristina: Maybe they are the creatures. Like the song. Those sorcerers that become birds. Maybe they're becoming all these other things. We don't know that. Then there's this bloodsuckerer in Mexico. It's like a vampire or a witch that lives with its human family. And they have to keep his secret because if it dies, someone else in the family, I think, turns into this vampire witch creature. They can change form by detaching their bodies from their legs, which they leave in the house. So strange. I think the transformation is of a goat. He needs to feed off of blood once a month or he'll die. And he wants to suck the blood of babies at night. Sucks the blood of babies.

Jack: That's actually the closest one to a vampire I've heard so far. Where not drinking blood will kill it.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, most of these creatures are female, and so I'll say she. She's born with the curse and can't avoid being this vampire creature because it's in the. I guess, the family line, which we were talking about. What if we went to a country and tried these things? What would we become? So what if we did have the blood of a werewolf and that's how we become a werewolf? We don't know that. Like, a bite helps speed up the process of becoming the thing we already had in us.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Maybe it's just easier for these vampire creatures to do it. And the victims that were killed by these creatures have bruises on their upper body. And they hunt mostly in cold and rainy weather. I don't know why specific weather, but they got rules. Maybe they're like vampires. They sound. You said like vampires, so it makes sense.

Jack: Yeah, they might just be avoiding daylight.

Cristina: Yeah, because they hunt at night too. So night, cold, and rainy weather. They fly from village to village as a turkey.

Jack: Best transformation while the vampire is over here being douchey. I'm a bat, bro. Look how cool this m*********** is. Like, I'm a gorgeous turkey.

Cristina: That's not my only bright color. That's a pretty cool one. But there's even a cooler one. It can fly as a flying fireball. A fireball?

Jack: That's pretty hardcore. I would never use the turkey form.

Cristina: You Never use the turkey form.

Jack: I will be a fireball forever. Because everybody just thinks it's a shooting star or a meteor or some s***.

Cristina: But also it likes to be a donkey. So it could scout out the victims. I guess that's the best form it takes. The donkey. You don't want to be a donkey.

Jack: Just blend into plain sight.

Cristina: Yeah. That's very sneaky. But you could tell that the animal is this creature because it has a.

Jack: Glowing aura making everything we've just discussed useless.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: A glowing turkey. That's some sort of monster.

Cristina: Yeah. And it smells like blood mad.

Jack: Impractical.

Cristina: Yes. Like, we talked also about that. Some. They're trying their best to take the shape of the forms. But some of them might not be as good as others.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So maybe these are like, they're almost there. Just a few more tries and they'll get it. They got it. They almost got it. Like, maybe being in the bloodline helps them get better at this thing of shape shifting or whatever is happening.

Jack: But it sounds like these creatures aren't even related to the other creatures we discussed. Like these seem like whole other things. Dead people and s*** like that. Like zombies. They don't even sound like. Some of these people aren't even like fast or anything. They're just like zombies.

Cristina: They're like zombies that. But they could transform. That's the important thing.

Jack: One of them couldn't.

Cristina: Except for one of them. Yeah. He snuck in.

Jack: Interesting. They could all transform. But can they all transform to anything? Or a lot of them bound to one form. Are these their famous forms?

Cristina: I think these are their famous forms. Like the cuckoo. The coco cuckoo. The cuckoo. He doesn't have any. Like, he has so many forms. One of them was a dragon. For some reason there was like he could do whatever. Except for. For some reason it's kind of wild. What he could become. Hairy monster.

Jack: Yeah. That's pretty cool though. So they are just definitely shapeshifters at the end of the day.

Cristina: Yeah. And the first one we talked about. He turns into a werewolf. But he could also just turn into a lady. He could be sneaky if he wants to. He just feels like. I guess being a werewolf is just easier because you can run after the person.

Jack: Yeah. It must also be funner.

Cristina: Yeah, it could be funner too. Because you can't kill that creature. So that creature doesn't have a weakness to death. Like there's nothing. It's not like the vampire that you can kill it in certain ways. That one. You can't @ all. So it's just having fun?

Jack: Yeah, it's just doing whatever the h*** it wants.

Cristina: Yeah. My leaper buddy. Oh, my gosh. This is gonna be suspicious, but to enter the house, it must fly over the roof and take the shape of a cross.

Jack: To enter a house?

Cristina: Yep. To enter a house, it must fly.

Jack: Over the roof as a cross.

Cristina: Take the shape of a cross. Like, fly around in a cross, like, shape.

Jack: Oh, s***.

Cristina: Like, it's doing that. Weird, man.

Jack: At this point, like, a bunch of Catholics got together. Like, Catholics are monsters. They're literal monsters. And the symbols and crap that they teach and the prayers and s***, it's all just to benefit them.

Cristina: They're making these monsters. These monsters are the same.

Jack: They're making them. They are the monsters. They're the people who found Jesus and captured him, knowing that he has a direct link with God, crippled him so that he couldn't move, and slowly siphon his power to turn themselves into these monsters that then wreak havoc on the world.

Cristina: Yes. This is happening. What are we gonna do?

Jack: We gotta tell the QAnon guys.

Cristina: Oh, they love this. Oh, my gosh. This is. Man. If you can tell Alex Jones is about this, I know he'd love this.

Jack: Alex Jones. I love that man.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He's my everything.

Cristina: He's your everything. Okay. And then it sneaks into the house as a fly. And when it enters the room, the house, it becomes a mist to paralyze everyone. Sounds like a vampire does that, doesn't it? Or at least it has that ability of paralyzing people.

Jack: Turning into a gas. Yeah.

Cristina: On a gas. Okay.

Jack: Became a mist.

Cristina: A mist.

Jack: Yeah. That's very vampire.

Cristina: And then once inside, she turns back into a turkey and sucks the victim's blood.

Jack: How crazy of an experience is this? A weird cloud starts leaking, like it's gas. You think you're being gassed right now? You look at your door. Oh, my God. What's happening? Is there a fire outside?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Mist starts coming in and, like, filling up. And you're like, oh, my God, are we gonna burn death? And then the mist just starts to gather, doesn't spread out anymore. And then it starts to solidify, and boom, out comes a turkey. It's like, what the f***?

Cristina: Yes. And then she goes to the baby and she has a needle like tongue. And the tongue starts just drinking the baby's blood. And you're watching this.

Jack: Yes. In shock.

Cristina: In shock. And you're like aliens.

Jack: Yeah. At that point.

Cristina: Okay, so there's some ways to protect yourself and your baby. From this creature. If you want, you could leave sharp objects under the crib like a knife, scissors, needles, pins. That seems really dangerous for the baby, too.

Jack: It's under the crib.

Cristina: It's under. Yeah, but what if the baby decides to get out of its crib and then starts playing with these things?

Jack: Maybe you've created a serial killer.

Cristina: Making a cross out of the safety pins on your garments will help. Putting a mirror, dirty shorts, or soiled diapers near the bed will help. Only onions and garlics can ward off attacks.

Jack: Very vampirey, Very vampiry. Also, you can, in theory, j*** in your underwear and then slap it on the crib, Be like, you're safe, baby.

Cristina: Yes. And you can wrap your baby in a tortilla and tuck them into blankets and clothing. Yep. Protect yourself with tortillas.

Jack: Really?

Cristina: Yes. What tortilla?

Jack: Wow. So, like, turning your child into a taco is safe?

Cristina: Yes. Turning your child into. I feel like that would make it more craving. Like, he'll want the baby more.

Jack: It would make it more craving towards a human who wants tacos.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Not towards a bird who's usually inside the tacos.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It's like, no, I understand the pain. I must free this baby.

Cristina: Let's free this baby. He's normally inside the taco. Oh, the turkey. Okay, so she has memories of what it's like to be a turkey being murdered.

Jack: No. She knows that this happens, and she sympathizes her people.

Cristina: Okay, so what's really killing these babies? There's been so many cases. There was, like, there was a doctor who went through these cases to find out what happened to these babies. There was, like, 40 babies dead, and the victims didn't lose any blood. But what killed them was no oxygen. Asphyxiation killed the babies. Yeah. Most of the babies probably died by accident. Probably, yeah, because the way they were laying on the baby might have killed the baby. And then, like, I guess after. What's it called? After heaters and stuff like that, Things to warm your home happened. These things stopped happening because it was mostly during winter time when it was super cold, and then you'd want to huddle with your baby, and then that would kill your baby. But once that kind of stuff was made, you could warm up your house. You don't have to be next to your baby or try to warm your baby with a bunch of blankets. And then the blankets kill the baby, and then no more babies dying.

Jack: Yeah. It seems like most creatures were created around the time that the catholic church could just say, Random s***. And people would eat it. And as well as when situations were so crappy that people didn't want to take blame for things that they were clearly doing or scared of. And us monsters.

Cristina: Yes. Also, people had to take it because they would kill them and say, you're a witch.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And then burn you at the stakes.

Jack: Good old Catholic church ways.

Cristina: You had to take it. Yep. So I guess that's it for now. I hope you like these stories from my friend Leaper. Is that his name? Leapy. I think I named him Leapy, but I changed it to Leaper. So there you go.

Jack: And he told you about all these creatures. So he's basically a rat.

Cristina: Yes, because I fed him some of our employees.

Jack: Fair enough. Good trade off.

Cristina: Good trade off.

Jack: That's what the subhumans are here for.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: They are willing. They just stand by and they're like, yes, sir.

Cristina: Yeah. They didn't care. They were happy.

Jack: They'll never care. They're just here to please us.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Those overpowered hyper intelligence, super physically peaked monster retards.

Cristina: Yes, but they're beautiful.

Jack: Flawlessly beautiful. They're immaculate.

Cristina: It's ridiculous.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: But they're brain dead.

Jack: Anyways, we are definitely out of time here, so we'll have to hear the rest of your friend's story some other time.

Cristina: Awesome.

Jack: Yes. But if you guys like conversations of this nature, if you like listening to us talk about creatures, there's many creature episodes. Go back and catch up on all the creature episodes. Creatures of all types, all shapes and sizes. All shape shifting sizes and types.

Cristina: And bloodlusting.

Jack: Yes. So you can totally find all that good stuff on the official website, greythoughts.info or on Apple podcasts, Spotify and anywhere you get your podcast.

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Cristina: Who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. The power of word of mouth is almighty. So if you tell somebody to kindly listen and tell them why, they'll be like, okay. And then the community grows.

Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: Chuck Norris could be Chucky if you wanted, though.

Jack: No. Yes, because Chuck Norris only really dwells in the realm of paradoxes.

Cristina: Yes, but that's why he wins.

Jack: He would have to paradoxically win. Yeah, that's not a real victory. That's a technicality.

Cristina: So I think that's fair.

Jack: Like in a fight, Shaggy would win. No, in a fair, non counterintuitive fight, he would win.

Cristina: Yes, I guess he would. But that doesn't make him God.

Jack: That does make him God.

Cristina: Really strong.

Jack: He could be God in a fist fight.

Cristina: He's just really strong at 1%.

Jack: What does more percent look like?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Google it. What are the powers of Shaggy? Let's break this down.

Cristina: I think he has powers.

Jack: Shaggy has powers. Shaggy definitely has powers.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

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November 21, 2020

Rambling 110: Cannibal Thanksgiving

November 21, 2020/ GreyThoughts.Info

Thanksgiving, comedy, cannibal, werewolf, creepy, scary, just conversation, the just conversation podcast, legend, urban legend, mythology, science, folklore

Are there still cannibals in the world? Do they eat people on thanksgiving? A Thanksgiving Special discussing human meat and cannibal dishes throughout history.

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On this very special episode, the clones discuss all the possible ways to have family and friends over for dinner and situations throughout history in which cannibalism was either needed for survival or desired. From Jamestown to Indigenous Australians and more. The truth about Cannibalism is as surprising as what the duo discover human meat tastes like. All that and more on this episode of Just Conversation.

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Jamestown Settlement
Christopher Columbus
Cannibalism
Jane Doe’s Body
Batman vs Green Arrow
Agreed Cannibalism
Jeffrey Dahmer
The Taste of Human
Mummy Medicine
Cannibal Animals
Wendigo

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Jack: With Thanksgiving coming and it being the era of COVID many of us are losing family members and loved ones. So we're not gonna have them all at the table. But have you ever wondered if it's possible for you to still have your deceased family for dinner? I mean, literally, have you ever wondered if you can literally eat your deceased family for dinner? Well, on this episode, we're gonna find out if that's all. That and more, coming up on Just Conversation.

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean? Welcome to Just Conversation, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: I'm Jack.

Cristina: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Jack: Yes, and this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on the topics we discuss. So be sure to go get somebody. You don't need to know who they are. You could just go outside and find someone. You know, it's easy, man.

Cristina: You make it sound like it's something bad, though, that they're about to do.

Jack: Yeah, it's totally easy. Yeah. You kidnap them, you tie them up, you put them in chains, you put them on a boat, you sail over to where the podcast is being showcased. You let them off the boat, you tell them you're going to watch this.

Cristina: Why is there a boat involved?

Jack: Why wouldn't there be a boat involved?

Cristina: You're going. Are you sailing to the place and then sailing back from the place that.

Jack: You know, now they just stay there. You're not taking. Why would you go get them, do a whole boat ride, and then be like, well, I was just your ride here. Now I'm taking. No. Now you own them.

Cristina: No. Yeah, but I mean, you're leaving your home on a boat to them and then bringing them back to your home on a boat.

Jack: No, you're not bringing them to your home. You're just getting them to take them to where the show is being aired.

Cristina: Oh. Which is not their home.

Jack: Which is not your home there.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. Now you own a bunch of people.

Cristina: Yes. That sounds just. That sounds right. Right.

Jack: Sounds right. No. Fair enough. We've established in the past that Thanksgiving seemingly had nothing to do with the slaves or pilgrims or natives. Thanksgiving has nothing to do with anything. We thought it had anything to do with.

Cristina: It has to do with the lizard people.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Remember?

Jack: But that's none of the other stuff that's none of the intuitive. It was pilgrims who brought slaves and enslaved natives and like made white people somehow.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Because here's the idea, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they come from Europe, the conquistadores. Presumably one of the non British parts of Europe, because that was just the original settlers that came avoiding England. But we have like the. The Spaniards and those douchebags traveling the coast. They're not the coasty islands. Kidnapping people and dropping them off on different islands. Sprinkling black people on the islands here. Some for you and some for you. And then the black people mixing with the natives that were there at the same time that the. That the span Spaniards and the Portuguese and the Italians were f****** all of them. So there's like.

Cristina: Can I say something about the Spaniards, though?

Jack: What?

Cristina: That their queen was like, you can't enslave anyone unless they're cannibals. And then they're like, they're cannibals. And then.

Jack: No f****** way. Really?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah, they said they're all cannibals.

Cristina: Of course. Like. Yep, these people are cannibals. We're witnessing cannibalism everywhere we go. I guess we gotta enslave them.

Jack: So the queen. Hey, Bob. Yeah, Jeff? We can't put these people in cages. Why not? Because the queen said only if they're cannibals. Well, well, look, dude, don't you see them eating each other? Nah, dude. No, no, no, you're not understanding. Don't you see them eating each other? Ah, I see where you're coming from. Yeah, I see them meeting each other. You see, we have to enslave them. They're savages, all of them.

Cristina: Yep, that was Christopher Columbus there.

Jack: That's crazy. Yeah, I mean, it's all f***** because then we have the people who came from England and established that first settlement, Jamestown, and then they all ate each other. So, like, the f****** conquistadors were the cannibals, Technically speaking.

Cristina: But they're not the people from Jamestown, though. The British. The British people aren't the conquistadors.

Jack: Yeah, no, I'm saying that the original settlers aren't conquistadores. Well, actually, the conquistadores never really came to the United States.

Cristina: They just saw it. That's it. Or like, what? Where did they end up? Just on islands or something?

Jack: Christopher Columbus didn't ever land in what is now known in the United States as America. He landed in America. Not in the United States. South America.

Cristina: In South America, Yeah. Okay, that makes sense, because Spanish. Yes, yes.

Jack: The British landed in central, in the center of North America, and they spread out north, which is why we have such a US Canada thing going on.

Cristina: That's UK based. Yeah, well, Canada is French, so is that.

Jack: There was some touchy feely stuff going on there too. Yeah, there's a little bit of a joint stuff going, but that was more war related, I think.

Cristina: Oh, what?

Jack: Yeah, I have no idea. I'm terrible at history. All of this is probably wrong.

Cristina: No, it's all facts.

Jack: See, here's the thing. Intuitively, all of this makes sense. Yes, The United States and Canada were definitely visited by the original settlers, which created New England, which is that Boston main eastern area and s***. Jamestown being the first settlement of people who turned out to be cannibals. So the white people are the cannibals, of which the Hispanic white people were like, we're gonna trap the cannibals. Which weren't the black people or the natives, but they arrested all of them anyways because the white people who were eating each other did have guns. And it's like, we're not gonna. With those people. We're gonna go with the people who don't have guns. The British.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Of course, they never even met the British. They just sailed through all the islands and landed in Mexico and then went south from there.

Cristina: And the thing with Jamestown, they finally found evidence, like physical evidence. Besides, I think they had like written letters from the time of what happened.

Jack: What, of the first of the cannibalism? Yeah, that winter. What was it? The. The winter of the fight of 1702 or some s*** like that.

Cristina: From 1609 to 1610. What year did you say?

Jack: I thought it was like 17. I was a whole hundred years off. I was a whole hundred years too early.

Cristina: Yeah, I mean, too late late. Yeah, Yeah.

Jack: I was 200. I was 100 years too late.

Cristina: Close enough, but yeah, doing. Yes, the winter was really bad because there's the Indians. They were trying to do business with different Indians and one of the Indians were like, nah, you can't do that, and started killing them off every time they saw them.

Jack: But to my understanding, there were two settlements already established and they had a trade route established with one of those other white settlements.

Cristina: But the Indians were picking them off.

Jack: So they couldn't trade with the other white settlement.

Cristina: Nah.

Jack: So their foods, because they didn't have the food supply, they had the materials.

Cristina: Food supply coming on a ship. And that ship ended up crashing on another island and they had to fix that ship to come Back, and that took a long time.

Jack: And out of about 500 people, there were 50 left, right? Something like a crazy number like that.

Cristina: Yeah. They lost like 80 to 90% of their people. 500 people lived there before all of them died. Well, not all, but a lot of them died and then ended up with freaking 60 people.

Jack: Yep. So the white people were the. The cannibals all along?

Cristina: Yeah, but they didn't, like, just become cannibals overnight.

Jack: I'm sure it was like an episode of south park, the one where they were trapped in that snowstorm. And it was only like 20 minutes before they decided who they had to eat because they couldn't go out.

Cristina: No, they. Well, in the letters they were. They mentioned that they went. They ate their horses first, then they ate dogs and cats. Then they got weird and started trying to eat leather and things like that. Rats, anything, even roots. But those people died. The ones that went into the woods to try to look for stuff died because of the Indians.

Jack: So the Indians were holding them pretty much captive in their own town.

Cristina: Yep. So they had to get desperate. Someone did try to. I think he killed his pregnant wife to eat her, and they killed him.

Jack: But then they ended up eating them anyways.

Cristina: Well, there's a big no no in cannibalism. You could eat a person as long as they're already dead. You eat the person before they're dead, you're going to jail for life.

Jack: And where does this rule apply in.

Cristina: These kind of situations? And like, if you're starving, if you, like, crash, you're in a plane crash, and there's a few survivals, you can't just pick the weak person to eat. You have to wait for that weak person to die, and then you can eat him, and then you won't get in trou.

Jack: Oh, that's easy. Starve the weak person out, use the supplies for everybody else.

Cristina: As long as everyone, I guess, keeps with the story. And there's no proof that you guys didn't starve him out.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: If you, like, if they find that he was starved out and that's why he died, then it looks like murder.

Jack: Well, it's not murder, but to the.

Cristina: Law, it is murder.

Jack: Does it say specifically you can't starve the person out?

Cristina: I'm pretty sure because it will still be murder. Yeah.

Jack: No, it's not.

Cristina: Murder is not murder.

Jack: You're not choosing to starve them. You're choosing to feed you. And they don't have the capacity to feed themselves over you.

Cristina: I don't know, I don't.

Jack: I could plead this easily in court.

Cristina: Wrong.

Jack: I could plead this easily in court. Yeah. Look, there was this much food, and it belonged to whoever can acquire the food, which was me. So he wasn't good enough to beat me for it. I'd have no obligation to share. It's my food.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I'm American. How many people in the United States starve regularly? Because we don't. So don't bring me this s***. I was doing the capitalistic s*** I'm used to, and I was surviving.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then he died. But I just happened to run out of food around the time he died, so I f****** ate him. Sue me for being a capitalist, then. Go ahead and sue all the capitalists.

Cristina: You should wait a little before you eat him, just to be like, I was, like, in the brink of death before I decided to eat him. I mean, you probably were. Because the food you were eating was probably not enough to fill you up anyway. So maybe you can get away with that. I don't know.

Jack: The advantage is that, man, how the f*** did they eat so many people? Because the problem is that it's cold as f*** outside. I mean, they didn't eat a lot.

Cristina: Well, we don't know if they ate a lot of people. We just know they got so desperate that in the end, eventually some of them got Ian.

Jack: Well, here's the thing. There is snow outside. It's cold as s*** outside. Was a winter. You could preserve the body. Yeah, leave the body outside in the cold. The cold will preserve the body.

Cristina: But they didn't. Like, this is the first time they found a skull from a dead body that's been eaten. So that's why I don't think it's been a bunch of people, because where are all those bodies that were eaten?

Jack: They used the bones to make other.

Cristina: Things, and those things were never found.

Jack: Those things are just clothing.

Cristina: They sold it to the Indians.

Jack: Yeah, man. They use it as weapons to escape Jamestown once the winter was over.

Cristina: Ah. And then no one would know.

Jack: Nobody would know. They were walking in bone armor.

Cristina: Yeah. What? That's kind of badass bone armor. No one would have messed with them.

Jack: Nobody's gonna mess with them. The Indians are like, we thought we were hardcore. These guys came wearing their homies.

Cristina: That's so awful. But who knows what happened? Like, maybe.

Jack: So what happened when they found this skull?

Cristina: They looked to see how this person died. Who was this person? What they found was. It was a girl, and they named her Jane.

Jack: For Jane Doe.

Cristina: Yes. Of Course for Jane Doe, they think she was 14. They found only a part of her skull and chin bone on her skull. There was multiple chops and cut marks. They know she was dead before they decided to cut her up for food. But after that crazy storm, that crazy winter happened, the new person came with their ship and the supplies and everyone was saved. And then he had everyone clean up the mess that was there of the bodies and stuff. And that's probably how they found her skull in a garbage can or whatever. Like a.

Jack: There's. That's probably why they don't find all the other bones.

Cristina: Because he cleaned them up because of the cleanup. Yeah, maybe. Yeah. They could be just buried.

Jack: The bones they did find are the ones that they missed in the cleanup.

Cristina: Mmm. Maybe there's proof that we were cannibals once upon a time. Or at least the H*** sapiens.

Jack: I'm sure we were very cannibalistic a lot of the time.

Cristina: A lot of the time. Yeah. Yeah. But now it's. It's a no, no. It's a no, no, don't eat people. Especially if they're still alive. Oh, there are some instances where people did. Are eating. They're really eating people who are still alive. And that's pretty horrifying.

Jack: Like the Green Arrow who ate his dad.

Cristina: His dad must have killed himself before he let his son eat him. He couldn't be like, yes, just eat me while I sit here on this boat. Take my arm and bite it.

Jack: How thug though, that would be amazing.

Cristina: But like, okay, he dies on the boat and he has to eat him, but he has to eat him cold like that. Like, no warming up the food.

Jack: That's nuts, right? How did he do it?

Cristina: Yeah, because with cannibalism there's a lot of diseases you can get from that. A lot of brain rottening stuff could happen. Is he okay?

Jack: I don't know, man. Maybe he has hella brain damage.

Cristina: Oh my God.

Jack: Maybe he has hella brain damage and so does Bruce Wayne. He's just a kid with PTSD harassing a bunch of people.

Cristina: Yeah, but it can't be worse. Than what?

Jack: The Arrow has literal brain degradation because of eating human flesh. Nevertheless, the trauma of it having like Bruce Wayne stores bit s*** next to f****** Arrow.

Cristina: Yes. That is some crazy stuff. Like what happened there. What happened? I don't know. Before people were burying people or burning the bodies or stuff. They think that people were eating the dead bodies so the wild animals couldn't get to the bodies. That's interesting solution to that problem, because if they just left the dead bodies there, the animal would come and eat that and then will eat them or whatever, if it was that type of situation.

Jack: That's interesting. There are tribes that use bones as cup. Like the top of a skull as cups and stuff. So I'm assuming we were like that in the past, where we would just eat the people and use their bones for resources.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, make knives and weapons to hunt other creatures with and crap like that.

Cristina: And there's some magic to it, too. Like where people believe they're getting something from eating this dead person, Whether it's someone that they love or an enemy from the. You know, from the enemy tribe or whatever. If they eat them, they get something. I don't know what it is. Like some type of thing, I guess, their power or whatever. Like, if they were super strong and I killed him, now I'm gonna eat him, now I'm gonna be super strong or something like that.

Jack: He is inside of me.

Cristina: Yeah. And when it comes to loved ones, I'm not really sure, but, yeah, they think they're getting a part of something from their loved ones.

Jack: Maybe it's like when Piccolo fused with Nails and Kami. It's like we are three but one.

Cristina: That's a lot of fusing. Yes. Maybe they're hoping to be like Piccolo. Did he become stronger, though?

Jack: Yeah, that was the whole point.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: The goal was, we're gonna merge our strength.

Cristina: But he didn't eat them, did he?

Jack: I mean, it depends what you think is happening.

Cristina: What does it look like it's happening?

Jack: I don't know. But how would they eat? Like, I'm assuming, like, put it in his mouth. Do you think that's eating? But he's like this whole other alien.

Cristina: Yeah. So. Well, what. How does that. Have you ever seen Piccolo eat?

Jack: If there's. If they are cells, he ate them.

Cristina: If they are cells, Cells merge. Oh, okay.

Jack: By just squeezing into one another. Piccolo did that.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Cannibal, I mean, but they were okay with that.

Jack: So it was volunteer work.

Cristina: Yeah. Are they alive?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Ooh, he crossed the line. He goes to jail forever.

Jack: But they agreed to it still.

Cristina: He goes to jail forever.

Jack: Why? The law is against that, too, Even if the other person agrees.

Cristina: Yeah. There's been cases where people agree, like, very strange cases. In Germany, there are a lot of cannibals. A lot. A lot of cannibals. Actually, there's a lot of cannibals everywhere in Germany. But in Germany, the most. One of the most Recent ones said that There were over 800 active cannibals in Germany.

Jack: Like today?

Cristina: Like today. Well, that was in 2006, but that's not that long ago. Armin Muse, he was a computer repair technician, and he killed and ate his. A voluntary victim who he met online, and he, I think, chopped off his p****. And they were gonna eat the p**** together, but he killed the guy anyway. And then he ate it. I think that's how I went.

Jack: Why didn't he eat the p**** with the guy?

Cristina: He got greedy. I don't know.

Jack: It's like, only I get to eat your p****. You don't get to eat your p****.

Cristina: It's not big enough for the both of us. I don't know.

Jack: That'd be funny.

Cristina: We don't know what the situation. But that guy, I don't know. I guess that's not the same because he ended up killing him, so. But if he stayed alive and they both ate his p****, would that be okay?

Jack: I don't know. Because at that point, you're volunteering for it.

Cristina: What a weird situation.

Jack: Like, you just ate your d***. Yeah, that's fine. I guess you're okay with it. He wasn't okay with dying. He was okay with eating his own d***.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, my gosh. And you think, oh, and man, there's so many weird situations because you think it's just cannibals just eating because you're starving. That's most of the world. It's just, we're starving. We need to eat. We're gonna eat dead people or people. Sometimes it's alive people.

Jack: Right. But then you come across a guy who's like, but, man, you want to try my d***?

Cristina: Yes. Yes. And there was a. In the uk, there was a British model called Anthony Marley who killed and partially ate his lover. I don't know why he did it. Maybe he was like. He wanted to break up with him, and he was so heartbroken, he murdered him. And then, I don't know. Then he. He removed a section of his leg and began cooking it. And then he stumbled into a neighbor and asked for the police to be called. So I'm not sure if he actually got to eating his lover, but he did kill him and cook a part of him.

Jack: Fantastic. Maybe between the time the cop got there, he ate some of it.

Cristina: Oh, maybe. And that was in 2008. That's not that long ago. Okay. Jeffrey Dahmer, after one of his victims ran away from him and got help he needed, the police went to his apartment and found two human hearts and an entire torso and the bag full of human lungs from all his victims, so. And probably other stuff, too, because. Yep.

Jack: Now, Jeffrey Dahmer is a cannibal. Yes, he was eating them for fast.

Cristina: Yes, he was eating them. Yeah. He. He stated that he planned to consume all the body parts over the next few weeks. So that's a lot of body parts to eat in a. In a few weeks. But I guess he could. I mean, freeze them all and.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Slowly eat them all.

Jack: Fridges were a thing.

Cristina: Yeah. That was in 1992.

Jack: Jeffrey Dahmer.

Cristina: You don't remember that guy?

Jack: I remember the name.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. Oh. And there's some weird law in England. I don't know if it's still like this, but in 1998, there was this guy named Rick Gibson who kept eating human parts in public just because there was no law against it.

Jack: How did he get the human parts?

Cristina: I have no idea, but I guess it was in a somehow legal way that they couldn't arrest him. So I don't know. But he did it, like, three times, and I think in, like, two of the situations. I'm not sure if all of them. It was testicles.

Jack: He was just eating testicles?

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: How did the people know those were human testicles?

Cristina: I don't know. I guess they tested out what he didn't eat and found that it was human testicles.

Jack: Wait, what?

Cristina: They tested the meat that he had, like, if he didn't eat at all. I don't know the story behind that, but it was human testicles. I mean, maybe he could have faked it, but that's a strange thing, that they didn't have rules. I don't know if they don't have rules now or they do. Maybe they do. And there was a reporter in 1931 for the New York Times that ate meat and human meat. He got a volunteer from a hospital to donate him. So maybe it's like that from donated hospital human meat. But he made a whole review about how it tastes and how.

Jack: With that. How did he, like, review it?

Cristina: How did he. He wrote about it. He cooked it and ate it, and then he wrote.

Jack: Yeah, but what he say?

Cristina: He said that it tasted like. The closest thing he could. The closest meat it tasted like was veal. He said it was good and it tastes sort of like veal.

Jack: Interesting. How'd he cook it?

Cristina: He roasted the piece of meat, and he wrote a whole article that you could probably read somewhere online if you want to hear the whole, like, comparison. To what it was. But he said it was tender and in the color, texture, smell as well as taste, it was like veal. So if you want to know what humans taste like, have some veal.

Jack: But he said the closest. He didn't say they're similar.

Cristina: Yeah, he didn't say that. It was like a professional would know that it's not veal, but a regular person would probably think it's veal.

Jack: You think it was that close to veal?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You don't just think it's so foreign that the closest comparison is veal, even if it's not like veal.

Cristina: I'll just read the a little bit of sentence. It was so nearly like good, fully developed veal that I think no person with a palate of ordinary, normal sensitivity could distinguish it from veal. So it sounds like no one could really tell, except unless you're like the best wine taster, then you can taste that. This is expensive wine. So it could be a lie. It's probably a lie.

Jack: Yeah. Because wine people can't tell the difference.

Cristina: That's why I compared it to wine. Like, yeah, they say this, but, you.

Jack: Know, they can't f****** tell the difference.

Cristina: So he might just be. It might be all talk.

Jack: So interesting, Interesting.

Cristina: But I don't know, it might really taste like veal. There are people who suffer from mental illness where cannibalism isn't just cannibalism, but it's for sexual pleasure. Which examples are would be Jeffrey Dahmer and Albert Fish.

Jack: Which was sexual?

Cristina: Yes, it was sexual. It wasn't just imma eat this person. Well, in some places in the world, cannibalism is still normal, like, allowed. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. But it has to be the dead. I think it's not. You could kill someone and then eat them type of thing. Unless it's through war, I think that's okay.

Jack: So you can eat the people you've killed at war?

Cristina: Yeah, because it's like a trophy dinner. Krawoa tribe of southeastern Papua is like one of the last surviving tribes that still engage in cannibalism. The last victim that they know was from 2012. They still eat people. A tribe in New Zealand called the Mori, they kill and eat people, though anyone that's not from there, I guess they will just kill and eat people.

Jack: From where?

Cristina: From New Zealand.

Jack: New Zealand?

Cristina: Yeah. Yes. A French explorer and 26 members of his crew were killed and eaten by them.

Jack: When Was that?

Cristina: In June 1772 in Melanesia. Some places still have Cannibalism. The New Guinea Islands, I think that's a pretty dangerous set of islands with cannibals. Pretty sure. Like the Fuji island, which is nicknamed the Cannibal Islands. That's part of that area where all of that's happening. They're just nicknamed cannibals.

Jack: So Australia was infested with a bunch of cannibalistic, crazed people who were offed by a bunch of elitist white people who took over the area.

Cristina: They could have the same story, though. Of the Spain, the Spanish.

Jack: How do we know there are no colored people in Australia? Like, there are colored people, but not like.

Cristina: No, I mean, like the Spanish people said they're cannibals, so now we can slave them.

Jack: Aren't we still claiming there's cannibals now?

Cristina: Yes, actually. But that gives them the excuse to kill them. Because you're saying they're killing them off.

Jack: No, I'm saying Australia was not a white place until a bunch of white people killed all the people over there.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Which were indigenous cannibals.

Cristina: But are they using the excuse that they're cannibals to kill them?

Jack: To which I say all the surrounding islands are filled with cannibals.

Cristina: Those are probably the real cannibals. Then, like, they lied and said, these are the cannibals. Let's get rid of them and then avoid the actual cannibals.

Jack: So you think there was an Australia, the island surrounded by a bunch of cannibalistic islands, but Australia, the bigger landmass, was somehow not filled with cannibals.

Cristina: I'm just saying that they could have just used that excuse to take over the land.

Jack: But how, in that situation, how would Australia have been the one and only, if not the main cannibal, like, hub?

Cristina: Because those other islands, like, they totally ignore those cannibals. Like, if cannibalism was a real problem and they were only doing it to get rid of the cannibals, why? I don't think they were doing it.

Jack: To kill, to get rid of the cannibals. I don't think it was like, we're going out there to get rid of Can. This is like when we're gonna go in the future and give everybody democracy. No, no, no. We're gonna get rid of all the cannibals in the world. Like, that wasn't their goal. They were like, hey, here's an island we want. Hey. But we can't kill them. But they're all cannibals, so we Can.

Cristina: Yes, yes, maybe. But they're still surrounded by cannibals. They're still surrounded in Tibet. They eat flesh pills because they believe it gives them powers when they consume Brahmin flesh. And I think Brahmin is the priest of that area or teacher or whatever of the Buddhism.

Jack: Brahmin, that's like their.

Cristina: I think that's another word for teacher or priest or, you know.

Jack: Okay, that's cool.

Cristina: So they eat the flesh of them. They put in pills and eat that for powers. In Europe, though, once upon a time, in the 16th, 16th century, they were eating mummies, or at least that's what they thought they were eating because they thought it had. The mummies gave them powers, kind of like also keeping them young and whatever. They sold them as medicine, the mummies. It was Egyptian mummies that they thought they were buying to. As medicine to solve, I guess, random stuff.

Jack: Random stuff. Like what?

Cristina: Well, one of the things I don't know of all the reasons, but, like, it will stop bleeding.

Jack: Eating a mummy stops bleeding. They thought bleeding was like a disease.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know how they maybe, like, it'll make you bleed less or stop bleeding quicker or something. If you have a little bit mummy.

Jack: In you or you consume the mummy and you grow, you get the power to grow. Band aids.

Cristina: Yes. It was sold as powder. Mummy powder. They were eating mummy powder, or they thought I should be clear because it turned out that they were just eating slaves. People were killing their slaves and selling it as mummy powder, and then that fat died.

Jack: Okay, that sounds legit.

Cristina: Yeah. Once they found that out, they're like, oh, no, I rather be eating mummy than new newly killed person. It's so wrong. Both are so wrong. Yes. Yeah. So ridiculous. You would pay who knows how much for this mummy powder, but for this regular human powder. No, it's so. It's so awful in many ways. Besides humans that eat humans, there's plenty of animals that eat themselves, I guess, in a way. Like. Well, you know about the spider one, right?

Jack: What did the. The father eats the. Or the babies eat the mother. There you go.

Cristina: That's probably a thing. But that the mother will usually eat the father.

Jack: Okay. And then she explodes with her babies.

Cristina: Yes, yes. Those babies. Yeah. The reason she eats her mate is because they get. The babies are 20% larger and survive 50% longer than a baby that the parents didn't eat the mommy didn't eat the daddy. When there's a creepy one where there's the sand tiger sharks, they eat the other like if there's. The mommy's pregnant with more than one baby, it would eat the other baby.

Jack: How?

Cristina: I don't know. I guess they can still eat in the womb.

Jack: I don't understand how that would even, like, work. You're gonna eat something inside of you already.

Cristina: The mom's not eating the baby. The baby. One of them is eating the other.

Jack: Oh, I got you.

Cristina: Yes, that makes more sense. But that happens. And chimps and great apes eat each other for survival and stuff. Or for sometimes even for rebellion.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Kind of like the human reasons. Yeah, human reasons.

Jack: Yeah, it's all the same.

Cristina: Yeah. And your favorite hippopotamus, that will eat whatever the f***.

Jack: They're not even meat eaters.

Cristina: No. But they need to eat a lot. So if there's not enough to eat, they're gonna find something to eat.

Jack: Yeah, they'll eat whatever. It doesn't really matter. And they don't always need it for substance either. Like, it's not about sustenance.

Cristina: I'm pretty sure it is. They just need to eat a lot. You just can't imagine how much they.

Jack: They don't always eat all the things they kill. Sometimes they will just kill. There's nothing crazier and more random than a hippo. Like a hyena is not as random as a hippo. A hippo is just a fast tank that has no. It's a f****** dolphin on land.

Cristina: But dolphins have rules.

Jack: They're kind of crazy. A dolphin will murder m*********** just because it could.

Cristina: Yes, but they wouldn't do that to their kind unless there was a reason.

Jack: Well, a hippo would. Because they're crazier.

Cristina: The hippo is more dangerous than the dolphin.

Jack: Yeah. Not intellect wise, but just overall viciousness.

Cristina: Just viciousness? Yep.

Jack: Like a hippo can totally be your homie and be like, we're cool. And also be like, except today I kill you.

Cristina: Except today. Oh, yeah. You can't trust those hippos. Okay. There's also tiger salamanders who eat when there's just. It's overcrowded. Their home is overcrowded. They'll just eat the other ones. They'll grow teeth to eat their siblings.

Jack: Wait, they don't normally have teeth.

Cristina: I don't think so. Do lizards. I mean, it's not a lizard. But salamanders have teeth. Well, they have teeth, but their teeth grow three times bigger than normal.

Jack: Okay, that makes sense.

Cristina: And then they are the ones that will eat their siblings. And then there's also the rabbits who eat their Babies, sometimes the stillborn or.

Jack: The weak baby hamsters do the same thing.

Cristina: Yes. And hamsters. Hamsters do that too. If it's too crowded, if it's. There's a lot of things. There's a lot of reasons why a hamster and I guess a rabbit would eat their baby, but a lot of the same reasons. Just if it's too crowded, if it's hungry, if it's stressed, all that stuff. There's also the praying mantis that kills her. The female kills the male.

Jack: Like a spider.

Cristina: Yes. But they can sometimes kill the male while they're doing it, in the middle of doing it and then. But they can still get pregnant, I guess, through that situation. Like.

Jack: Interesting. I know that ducks are sort of like that.

Cristina: Ducks.

Jack: Yeah. Well, except they're not really trying to. I mean, I guess they don't eat each other. I guess male ducks rape female ducks.

Cristina: Oh, I think. I think I heard of that. Yeah.

Jack: And sometimes they kill them.

Cristina: The male ducks. Yeah.

Jack: While raping her.

Cristina: Oh, well, that sucks to be a duck.

Jack: Sometimes a female dies and they continue like ducks do. Necrophilia. She'll be dead and they'll keep f****** her.

Cristina: Oh, but he won't eat her. But what if they are? We don't know that yet. We don't have that proof. But what if he does eat her afterwards? Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Duck eating meat.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: How would that duck rip off the other duck's feathers and then eat its flesh? With a beak. That's it.

Cristina: His clawy leg, like his foot. Frogs also eat one another. Large frogs like to eat smaller ones. So that's.

Jack: I think the same thing applies to many different kinds of lizards, that they'll just eat smaller of their own kind.

Cristina: And fish do that. Pretty sure they eat.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Never know with Fish World. Like, sometimes you'll be friends with this tiny guy who's gonna clean your back. Sometimes you'll eat that guy who I guess isn't gonna clean your back.

Jack: It's pretty much that. They're not worth anything to me.

Cristina: Yeah. I guess that's how you decide in the fish world who's gonna do something for you. There's also a chicken, which is not a normal thing, but it happens probably in farms because the overcrowdedness, the disease, the poor food and the water conditions. Chicken on chicken, violence in farms.

Jack: But they eat each other.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Is it like feeding a chicken a chicken nugget?

Cristina: Probably worse than that. Probably worse than that. But it's not a common thing. I just think it probably is forced onto them, being in a farm type of situation. And sometimes they just. When they fight each other, I guess they would eat a piece of them, like by accident when they tore flesh, you know, in chicken fights and stuff like that. Yeah, like, what are they gonna do with that stuck meat on their beak?

Jack: It's like the guy whose ear Mike Tyson ate, did he eat it?

Cristina: He didn't eat it.

Jack: He took it home and cooked it and he ate it.

Cristina: No. He would have gotten in trouble for that. Maybe. Maybe he paid the guy. He's like, let me eat your ear. Yeah. How much can I pay you?

Jack: And so did Van Gogh, right? He cut his ear off and cooked it and ate it.

Cristina: All these people are eating ears, d*** it, because it tastes like veal.

Jack: Van Gogh was like, I want to know what veal tastes like. And then he ate his ear.

Cristina: He wants to know what veal tastes like. So he ate his ear.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: It is veal. That's cheap, right?

Jack: It's like a baby lamb.

Cristina: Baby lamb? No, calves. So that's a baby. Baby goat?

Jack: No, veal is a baby cow.

Cristina: Baby cow.

Jack: Wait, we taste like baby cows.

Cristina: I guess.

Jack: So I was thinking like, lamb this whole time. But that has a different name, right? Mm, that's weird. So different and squishy.

Cristina: Yep. But now you know what a baby cow tastes like and a human tastes like.

Jack: Ooh, interesting.

Cristina: What do you think of that, though? Do you remember how it tastes like veal, like, compared to beef or bison? Also, earwigs eat their mothers. Kind of like the spider too, I guess. And sometimes the parent devours their child. I guess it depends on the situation. I don't know, man. Earwigs are really so nightmarish. You've seen them, right?

Jack: I have no idea.

Cristina: Oh, there you go.

Jack: What the f*** is that?

Cristina: That's an earwig. It is horrifying. I don't know.

Jack: Looks like a roach.

Cristina: It looks like a roach that could attack you from the back. It's got knives. It got. It's got a b*** scissor.

Jack: It's got a b*** scissor.

Cristina: B*** scissor. It's like it's gonna. There's gonna be a video of it carrying a knife, like in all those other videos. With a rat or whatever.

Jack: With the rat or the crab or some s***.

Cristina: Yeah, we're gonna see an earwig just holding a knife with. But also, snakes eat pieces of other snakes and even themselves.

Jack: Yes, the ouroboros.

Cristina: But you knew they were eating themselves too.

Jack: Sometimes they won't literally devour themselves in a way that they're digesting themselves, but they'll, like, put their tail in their mouth and just keep coiling in.

Cristina: But that's not the same, is it?

Jack: I don't know. How long can they be like that before they, like, pull themselves apart, you know?

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Jack: So they have to be in that position so long their tail is digested, which seems unlikely.

Cristina: Why do you think they do that?

Jack: I have no idea. It's weird, right?

Cristina: Yeah. Because scientists don't even know. They think it might have something to do with overheating. I don't know how.

Jack: That they're trying to cool themselves down.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, that may. Yeah. I guess you could picture him putting a part of himself to get it cold, I guess. Yep. There's also a bunch of. There's also some myths, legends, and folklore about cannibalism, which you probably have heard of. Some. Like, the most famous one, I guess, or not really. Just one of the many. Hanzo and Gretel.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Which is just an old lady who decides to eat some children.

Jack: Probably based on something true.

Cristina: Yeah. That's a Brother's Grimm story. There's a lot of cannibalism there. They call them man eaters, which, you know. Yeah. There's a creature called Wendingo that sounds really familiar. It's like a spirit that possesses humans or a human that humans could physically turn into. Like, transform into either a spirit going into a human or a human that turns into this thing and I guess they eat people, which could just explain cannibalism. Like, it's not a human. It's a spirit in that human making them eat people or this person. Like. But that's weird. The other way around of this person turns into this being after eating people. I wonder if it looks like a werewolf.

Jack: That's interesting, because if I remember a Wendingo being, like, a dog of some sort.

Cristina: What if it is? Oh, my gosh. Give me an image.

Jack: Oh, that looks very werewolfish to me. Get the f*** out of here.

Cristina: What? What?

Jack: What do you t. Come on. That's a. Tell me that's not a werewolf right there.

Cristina: Yeah. Also looks like that creature from the forest, from the.

Jack: The ritual.

Cristina: The ritual. Yep.

Jack: Loki's child.

Cristina: Yep. But who knows? Like, they could have thought that was a werewolf.

Jack: You know, it's interesting. The windingo.

Cristina: Yep. Wendingo. Oh, my gosh. What? Wendigo is another. Wendingo is like a werewolf, though, in that they were probably created to explain cannibalism but it's weird that they look so similar. I mean, I guess when you picture a monster, it's gonna look like similar in that it's a monster. I don't know.

Jack: To my understanding is mainly like some sort of werewolf looking thing.

Cristina: Yes. And they think humans turn into them. So that's very werewolf like.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Of a human turning. Yeah. I don't know. And then they eat humans.

Jack: Sounds about right.

Cristina: Yeah. So I don't know. Werewolf is a person that's a cannibal essentially.

Jack: Yeah. Wendingo and a werewolf are. No, not different by any means.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Except maybe the details of their appearance and the location. And the location maybe. Interesting that you would say that.

Cristina: Why? What is that?

Jack: Because this is the same problem we have with the Chupacabra, the vampire and the werewolf. Maybe the Windingo is just another f****** location here in the east, I mean in the west we got werewolf. You go really, really, really far north east of the planet and you get to vampires. You go south west of the planet and you land at the Chupacabra. Who says north east? England, Greenland. Not Greenland, but England, Scotland, Ireland. Area doesn't have the win Dingo an equivalent to the werewolf.

Cristina: I don't know. It's possible. We gotta find out more about the Windingo.

Jack: The Windingo.

Cristina: The Windingo. I like the name. I just like how similar though it is. It's the werewolf of somewhere else. But if it's the werewolf from here though, what if we.

Jack: That'd be weird.

Cristina: How Windingles here. I know, but we'll find out. We'll find all that out. And in 1846-47, there was a family that was crossing from one side of America to the other side for I think the Gold Rush or whatever it was called back then. I think it was that. I'm not 100% sure. And they think there was cannibalism in that party because it was a harsh. I think it was also a harsh winter like the other story we were talking about of Jamestown. And they were going through a supposed shortcut, except the guy never really went through it to make it clear for them. So it was kind of a lie maybe. And they just ended up having a miserable trip and a lot of them died and some of them probably the legend goes that they ate some of them. But I don't know if there's any physical proof, proof at all. But it could be like the Jamestown thing where there's at least letter evidence that yeah, there's cannibalism, but no Bones or anything to show it.

Jack: That's interesting. The letters of Jamestown say what?

Cristina: One of the letters was from the. I guess the temporary leader after their. They had a leader originally, of course, and I think he ran away or something, or he quit after things got tough. Oh, yeah. Wait. The original leader of Jamestown had to leave because he was wounded in an explosion. So he went back to England, and so they got a temporary leader, and he was writing about what was going on in Jamestown during the time, and he was talking about how desperate people got and how they were started off eating their pets and stuff and then ended up just eating anything they could find, whether it was a snake or a mouse, all that stuff.

Jack: Interesting, interesting.

Cristina: And he even said that some of the people ate their boots, shoes, and that the people who left the fort were killed by the warriors of the tribe that they felt like they were betrayed by or that felt like Jamestown people betray them because they were trying to do stuff with another tribe. Yeah, yeah. So he wrote all about all that. So there's probably a bunch of letters that he's written that you.

Jack: Who was he sending those letters to?

Cristina: Maybe it was just a record of it, so that when the new leader came, he would know, like, this is what happened. Maybe it was his diary. Who knows? Well, the Donner family, they were writing diaries. I don't think they were writing letters to anyone. I think they were just writing about their situation because they had nothing else better to do there.

Jack: They have letters?

Cristina: Yeah, pretty sure they had letters. I'm not sure if they were mailing them out or what was going on. I mean, they couldn't mail it out, but afterwards, maybe they were planning to. I don't know.

Jack: Mailing them the. Who.

Cristina: Other family members. It wasn't just one family. It was a bunch of families. It was like 30 people. It was a lot of people. But I guess a bunch of. This was normal of a bunch of groups of people from one side of the country would travel together to the other side of the country. And this was just one of the large groups that were going. Because you wouldn't just travel alone to the other side by yourself or anything. Yep. And some of the families through the trip, like, abandoned the trip because it's. This is a crazy trip.

Jack: Yeah. So they just, like, spread out.

Cristina: Yeah. Yep. And a few of them did make it to the end.

Jack: The most determined always make it.

Cristina: And I mentioned that in England law, you. If you kill someone for food, it's considered a crime, no matter what the circumstances. And there was A case, r. V. Dubly and Stevens, in which two men were found guilty for killing and eating a cabin boy while they were adrift in sea on a lifeboat. Kind of the same story of Arrow, except that his dad and the other guy was like, no, we'll die and you can eat us. These guys were like, nah, we're gonna kill this boy and eat him.

Jack: Survival.

Cristina: Yep. Yeah. So they die. They died. No. So they got in trouble for that. So. Yes. Don't eat people unless they die. That's what you gotta do.

Jack: Only eat the dead.

Cristina: Only eat the dead, then it's okay. But don't steal the dead. That's probably also a crime.

Jack: Grave Robin is a crime. Grave Robin and f****** the dead. Necrophilia.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. That's also a crime. What if you're doing it for magic?

Jack: Everybody should definitely go out and eat themselves a human. But make sure you don't kill them. Go wait at a hospital.

Cristina: What?

Jack: It's Covid era. Covid's everywhere. People are dying left and right. You just wait until they die. If you've got Covid, particularly, you're not gonna catch more Covid. So you can just go wait at a hospital and eat a dead COVID patient. And if you don't have Covid, you have to wait for one of the patients that are getting neglected because they don't have Covid to die. And then you eat them. There's people to eat for everybody.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know if you can do that, though. I know that reporter did it, but that was a while ago.

Jack: It should be possible. You should be able to go to a hospital and eat patient after they die.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Especially if they're homeless. They got no nothing to lose. Nobody's gonna care. Although I don't know why families of dead people care about their body. It's weird that we don't do more productive things with the bodies.

Cristina: Like make them into tattoo. No. What was it? No, that was just. If they have tattoos that you'd take that tattoo.

Jack: Or you could save their eyes.

Cristina: Or you could take their eyes. Oh, is there anything else you can take that wouldn't be so weird?

Jack: No, you just give some. Don't embalm the bodies and just give the fre. Freaking body to the earth to, like, give nutrients.

Cristina: You gotta do. Yes.

Jack: Bury them where you plant a tree. Let them become a tree.

Cristina: Stop. Stop believing in that whole thing of. What was it? The embalming.

Jack: Embalming fluid.

Cristina: That's a lie. That's a lie. That's like the rich people thinking mummies were gonna save them.

Jack: Yeah. Embalming fluid is dumb. And how we celebrate the death of people. Like, why are we being sorrowful? Yes, it sucks. But, like, rather than throw this gloomy a** thing, have a f****** party.

Cristina: Have a party.

Jack: Have a party in honor of the life. That was like.

Cristina: Some places do they get that have a party.

Jack: And everybody at the party eats their body.

Cristina: I don't know about that.

Jack: Why that person's gonna be inside everybody and in that same party as you eat the meat because you chop the person up and cook them. You also, if they have tattoos, have already chopped up the tattoos according to what each image is and, like, framed them after you've preserved them or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so you put it so that people can take whichever ones they want.

Cristina: And then with what, Bard? Because I doubt you could eat the whole body if for some reason there's body parts left. You can still borrow birds bury. You still bury that part.

Jack: Yeah. You could turn them into a tree. Turn whatever body parts are left into a tree.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This is that we're starting. The new way to celebrate death.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: For Thanksgiving.

Cristina: For Thanksgiving.

Jack: Eat your loved ones with your family for Thanksgiving.

Cristina: Yes. Happy Thanksgiving.

Jack: Happy Thanksgiving. If you guys like this episode where we tell you how to eat your family and how other people in the past have eaten their families and friends.

Cristina: Now you know we taste like veal.

Jack: Now you know we taste like veal. And there's a previous Thanksgiving episode from last year you guys can check out. So go indulge in that Thanksgiving where you find out what Thanksgiving really is. And then you celebrate this new way we're teaching you about eating your family. Since you'll learn that what you already thought was a lie.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. Go learn about those lizard people.

Jack: Yeah. And you can find that on the official website. And you can find that on the official website. Greythoughts.info or on Apple Podcasts or on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or anywhere else you get your podcast.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok. Uscombopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe and rate the show. And if you feel so inclined, review it. Tell us in the review whether you plan to eat your family.

Cristina: And let someone who might like the show know about it.

Jack: Yes, let somebody who's interested in becoming a cannibal know about the show. Tell them about it. Tell them about Thanksgiving if they're gonna celebrate.

Cristina: Okay, this has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening Bye. I thought it was veal.

Jack: I thought it was veal as well.

Cristina: Mutton? I don't know. Is veal a baby lamb?

Jack: It's like, is veal baby beef or lamb? Veal is a meat of calves in contrast to the beef from older cattle. Veal can be produced from a calf of either sex and any bread. However, most veal comes from young males and dairy breeds. Blah, blah, blah. Generally, veal is more expensive than. Doesn't answer the f****** question.

Cristina: It sounds like it comes from cows.

Jack: It doesn't tell us what f****** baby lamb meat is. I thought that was veal.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister. With social media managed by Amber Black.

November 14, 2020

Rambling 109: Werewolf Science

November 14, 2020/ GreyThoughts.Info

The Just conversation Podcast, Werewolf, Werewolves #monsters, creatures, halloween, folklore, science, science fiction, stories, urban legend, terror, horror, fear, nature, 1800s, demons, possession, full moon

What is the science behind the stories of werewolves? What are the possible events that lead to their stories being shared over generations? Answers and theories to that on this episode.

Story:
After an episode where Calm Cristy elaborated on the intricate folklore and stories of Werewolves, Genocidal Jack decides to do an even deeper dive to see if the stories hold and scientific validity. With hopes of coming to a conclusion and maybe one day capturing their own pet werewolf, the duo unpack the origin of their stories. But what they discover about werewolves, native tribes and synthetic drugs throws their plans for a loop in ways they could not have predicted. All that and more on this episode of Just Conversation.

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Werewolf Origin Story
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