Rambling 288: Minotaur
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What exactly is the Minotaur? What was its purpose? Where does it come from? The duo unpack the many myths and hidden stories of one of Greece’s most infamous creatures in a search to find any shred of relevant data that could help inform them beyond previously reached barriers in the data related to the Elysians or Clinton Road.
+Episode Details
- Greek Mythology
- Minotaur
- Ancient Punishment
- The Labyrinth
- Survival Maze
- Poseidon
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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: Welcome to the Rambling podcast. I'm your host, Jack.
Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.
Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas, of which there are many. Humanity is very absurd and baffling.
Cristina: We are.
Jack: Yeah, yeah. Very confusing, absurd and baffling individuals. And so to catch anybody new up, we have been recently looking at or trying to solve what the h*** is at the bottom of Cross Castle, which is essentially located in West Milford around Clinton Road. What is considered to be the most haunted place planet Earth. And there happens to be a castle that a bunker was made and everything inside of it was private for quote, official government reasons, unquote. And to keep mining goods protected. Allegedly. But everything about the situation is really weird. And has tunnels leading to towns where the exit and entrances are unknown, a secret in and out in the woods that nobody knows where it might be and the castle having been destroyed, making accessing the bunker underneath impossible from that location and only accessible through the other passageways that connect through different towns. Weird, random things going on.
Cristina: Strange. Yes.
Jack: And this place happens to be located again where the spookiest, most haunted things take place. Except that we can tell a lot of these things line up with things that we've researched and looked up in the past, including creatures from different realms and in. You know, there's a lot of science going on, ancient sciences going on and modern day science is going on and things that allow people to move to ethereal states and to cross into non physical ways and to manipulate the fabric of reality in different manner, shapes of forms or what not. Usually being necromancers or things along those natures. Although in modern day we use the word which was druids. Druids supersedes necromancers. But it's an incorrect words. Ka. Druids kind of lacks the very specific nature of a necromancer having to die to get where he's going.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And a druid doesn't need to. A druid is just some other thing. A low budget necromancer at best was.
Cristina: Just hanging out in the woods.
Jack: Yes. And so we have gone on. Sometimes we look at other areas to get informed about other areas. And sometimes we look at things that are more or less related or they have patterns that seem relative to each other in order to get informed on things that in a lot of time it works, you know, sometimes it doesn't and we just find something cool to look at.
Cristina: Yeah, that's so cool.
Jack: Yeah. But sometimes we actually connect the dots and it works. And it's. Oh, yeah, this is clearly related to that. And. And sometimes we just go monster hunting as well.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Because there's weird creatures out there. And sometimes monster hunting answers questions we didn't know we had that do inform these other things. Because monsters aren't really monsters, per se. It's usually just some kind of science freak, and science is way more than modern society accepts.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But that being said, today we have something a little interesting to look at, and this is one of those times that I need you.
Cristina: Oh, boy.
Jack: To tell the audience what you're looking at, because they're not going to be able to see it. IO only podcast. So I need you to paint the picture of what you are currently looking at in front of you.
Cristina: I don't know. It's. I'm sure it has a name. I don't know what the name is. It's a mythical creature. Greek mythical creature.
Jack: Fascinating.
Cristina: All right. I'm sure it has a name. I just don't know what it is. It's like a. I keep thinking centaur, but it's not a centaur. It's some type of beast. It's got hooved legs, horns, red eyes, making you, I guess, think it's like a devil creature, whatever, you know, like, if you. But it looks.
Jack: More detail. More detail.
Cristina: I'm thinking very muscular. Yes, very muscular. Man or lion. Go thing. I don't know. That's covering its private parts because it carries and it has a belt and it's holding a stick, I think. Could be a stick. Could be some type of weapon. I don't know. Inside. I don't know what he's inside of.
Jack: Interesting, right? He's inside something for sure.
Cristina: Yeah. Could be underground. Could be. I don't know. It has a toe, I think. I think so. I don't know. It looks like a combination of different animals.
Jack: What animals would you say it looks like?
Cristina: A lion? A bull, maybe? Because the horns are like a bull.
Jack: Elaborate on the horns.
Cristina: They're long, curvy, pointy. I think he has ears, though, underneath it.
Jack: Yes, I see that, too.
Cristina: Yeah. And he has the hair. The lion mane thing happening. I think. Like, it's. But his arms are very human.
Jack: Minus the fact that he seems to have, like, sharp talons at the very end. It's just hands, right?
Cristina: Yeah, yeah. They look like regular muscular hands and torso with. I don't Know what's happening with his legs? His legs are goat legs. He's like a combo of different animals.
Jack: Okay, okay, okay. Describe his face a little.
Cristina: I don't really can't talk because it's really bad. Like he's in the shadow. So half of his face is missing. Okay. Is that his teeth? His teeth is showing. I'm not really sure what his nose looks like.
Jack: I would argue he has a bit of a gorilla looking nose.
Cristina: Yeah, a gorilla looking sort of face. I think besides the mouth that's sticking out. I don't know if the mouth, the teeth. If that's the teeth. Sharp teeth. And the ears. I'm not sure what animal the ears look like.
Jack: I would also say that's kind of goat like. Yeah, it feels very goat like to me.
Cristina: The ears are like goats. The. I don't know the. If that's goats too. The horns is either go go or fascinating. What did I say before? Bull.
Jack: Interesting, interesting.
Cristina: With the hair of like a lion.
Jack: Definitely something reminiscent, right? Something you've seen before to some degree.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Okay, we're gonna take a look again at a different image of this creature. More. More variation of the same creature. So you could paint a little more picture. Maybe it'll. It'll zero in on something. Anything you notice different here. These are all just based on things that have been described of this creature.
Cristina: What's the one next to it? There's the same thing. Are very similar. The first, the one to the left. The one to the left looks very similar except his legs are thinner, very thin. But everything else looks almost the same. His hair is curlier. I guess it's long and curly. Looks more like a goat, I guess. And then he's next to a creature. I'm not really sure. I guess it's supposed to be him too, but just all animal side of him. Is he some type of werewolf?
Jack: No, this is supposed to be exactly the same thing in one state. It's just the level of descriptions are so varied that we can land at these two different images.
Cristina: So he always has the red hair and the horns and those goat like red hair, red hairs, red eyes, curly hair, long hair or not curly. Maybe wavy. Wavy hair.
Jack: Fur.
Cristina: Fur. That second. What is that second animal? It's not a bull though. But it's. That's like a hairy bull.
Jack: Interesting, right? There's something going on there.
Cristina: It's a hairy ball. A giant hairy. Giant hairy bull or goat. I think there's been goats that big.
Jack: No, no. H*** no. There's no Chance there has been anything this size in all of mention, other than this one thing.
Cristina: Okay. This is. It's. It has to be a ball that's just got his. Very hairy. That's very hairy. And the creature looks like a human version of that animal, I guess.
Jack: Interesting. Okay, so the animal's name that you were trying to get to is a minotaur.
Cristina: Yes, that's a minotaur. No.
Jack: Yeah, that would be essentially the minotaur.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But we're gonna look at one more image. This is to size, scale, kind of giving you an idea of how big these things really are. Paint this picture.
Cristina: There's a. I guess in the middle is a man, or what a man is supposed to be the size of. I think there's numbers next to him.
Jack: Ignore the numbers.
Cristina: Okay. Well, it's huge. What the mentor, Whether it's a human version of the manotaur or the animal version of the manotaur, they're huge. They're like two humans standing, like if two. If a person had a person on top of them is the size of whichever of these creatures you want to talk about?
Jack: Yes. Easily nine to ten feet tall, right?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And what details can you tell us about these individuals as you're seeing them here? More. I got more specific each time I'm showing you an image. So now you get more detail, more details.
Cristina: I don't know because it looks a lot like the other one. I don't know if there's any real difference.
Jack: Got you. I'll start painting the picture. Then. His legs. The hooved sort of animalistic legs that this, AKA Minotaur, would have is wrapped with leather bindings and some sort of metallic plate to protect its knees. It seems that would normally be exposed. There's something that looks like a kilt or something that's around its waist, probably made from fur and leather. And then around its chest, it has a weapon harness. At the same time, the face still maintains a sort of animalistic face. I would argue here it's even closer to a goat.
Cristina: Looks like a lion.
Jack: You think it looks like a lion?
Cristina: Fair enough.
Jack: It also looks kind of like a lion. Yeah, fair enough. Very exaggeratedly muscular arms, muscular upper body. In every version of it, its upper body is extremely muscular. It definitely does have a tail. It doesn't have hair. It has fur. Oftentimes the fur seems to be focused on the head and the neck or the legs. There's very little fur focusing on the body part. It seems like in every version of this, the body seems to be unexposed. There's a very neck, a little bit of fur on the arms and much on the legs, the hooved legs usually more towards the bottom, but there's some iterations with it a little higher, you get a little fur around the waist. So in, for lack of a better word, it's a minotaur. Yes, except we're gonna have quite a couple of better words.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: So the minotaur kind of a known, probably one of the more known, less discussed creatures from Greek mythology.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And it coming from Greek mythology tells us a couple of details right off the bat. If you have something weird and it came from Greek mythology, there's one group of people we can just point.
Cristina: Zeus and his buddies.
Jack: Yes, Always they're doing something weird. Always. So that's a good place to start looking for what the h*** a minotaur is.
Cristina: Okay, Right.
Jack: So doing some digging, we have some basic details here. Minotaur, the word literally translates to minos bull, so man bull.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Literally what it means. The stories of the Minotaur take place roughly around 1500 BC to 1300 BC. Now, outside of our descriptions that we gave to those images, there are some localized descriptions that we can give that come from text. Specifically, body of a man, head of a bull. That's the most obvious kind of descriptor.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Yeah, between 7 and 10ft on average. Okay, let's go to its head specifically. Yeah, it's huge, monstrous sized thing. Now, aside from its bull like head, it tends to have long curved horns. These long curved horns can be seen on bulls. These long curved horns can be seen on goats. These long curved horns can be seen on plethora of different creatures. And kind of really pronounced and large. Specifically on him, presumably because of his exaggerated size, again, 7 to 10ft is kind of excessive.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So the horns would presumably be some monstrously sized things.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Fascinating thing that immediately gets my attention is glowing red eyes.
Cristina: Yes. Why?
Jack: Because it hints towards a lot of things that are curious. Glowing red eyes seems to be a feature of a lot of shadow realm things. Large flaring nostrils, reminiscent of something like an ape. Of something like a bull. Snarling mouth with incredibly sharp teeth. Now this is interesting because its face is. Its mouth in particular seems to be sort of almost a combination of an ape and the lion. Midway.
Cristina: Yeah. It's the sharp teeth from the lion.
Jack: Interesting. Right. Its face protrudes a little, which is unlike an ape. But the structure of the face and the pushing of the nose has a kind of ape like Structure to it. There's an interesting set of details here. Now, on its head it has short coarse fur covering most of its face and its neck usually coming from its head, appearing oftentimes like a lion's mane.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But also goats tend to have a kind of facial wrap like that. Interesting enough. So do bison, which I would argue.
Cristina: Is what they're trying to go for in these.
Jack: Well, at least the more animalistic version of him was like a bison with horns at this point.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And just its face and head is generally very thick and muscular. A very powerful looking creature. Now details outside of these descriptions that show up in sentences as well, but more like in literal sentences, as opposed to somebody just kind of chalking off what they thought looked like when they saw it and wrote it down. The face seems primarily human with extremely pronounced animalistic bull like features. It tends to have a beard that resembles that of a goats. Very similar to what we're saying.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So this is a translation into English from something from a Greek text that is literal sentence, a paraphrase. Not literally word for word, but it is a paraphrase of what they were trying to get to, which is. Yeah, bull like features and a goat like thing going on. Let's discuss. Its torso now has very broad, powerful chest, oftentimes ginormous, kind of leading to the typical masculine V shape you want. Tiny waist, huge shoulders. And he definitely has a highly muscular. The build is quite defined because of how muscular it is. Extremely veiny, extremely like you. You lift too much, bro. You mad swole.
Cristina: Very bull like. Bulls are pretty muscular creatures.
Jack: Yeah, very stocky. Yeah, very swole. Now its torso is covered in coarse fur, but often leaving the chest and belly area is exposed. So the fur kind of focuses on the back and on the side.
Cristina: Makes me think of like a gorilla type.
Jack: Yes, it definitely has that right. Because gorillas chests seem to be more bare. Well, it depends on the gorilla too. But yeah, it seems to be more bare and whatnot. And although those images weren't too specific on this detail, oftentimes its ribcage is pronounced through its muscular build. That's how tight its muscles are and how tight its skin is. You can kind of see the formation. Not like super protruding and nasty like it's dying of hunger or something, but rather you can tell it's so tight that its rib cage tends to be shown. Okay, now here's an interesting detail. It's often depicted whether wearing a leather strap in an X fashion that is used to hold axes and other weapons as we are familiar with because it tends to have two axes.
Cristina: Okay. I wonder why.
Jack: But.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Its arms, again, thick, muscular, kind of almost exaggeratedly so. Way more than its body. Its body is exaggerated, but you gotta then exaggerate farther to get to the ridiculously absurd size of its arms. And as we noted, its hands have sharp claws instead of natural human like nails. So it's a normal human like hand, other than it's ginormous and probably like three times the size of your head. But then instead of nails, actual claws, you can just swipe at something and cut it open.
Cristina: Like a lion, I guess. I don't know if it's like a combo of different animals, maybe.
Jack: Weird, right?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Like it's unclear what we're looking at ultimately. What the h*** are they gonna claim the minotaur really is? If these are all the descriptors.
Cristina: Yeah, weird.
Jack: It's a weird creature for sure. And so slight fur covers the upper arms and usually the. The back of the hand, never the palm. Very gorilla. Like again.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It has very defined biceps and triceps. And again, veins visibly covering its arms. Like it's really ripped and jacked.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And then its legs, very strong muscular thighs and upper legs covered in coarse fur, particularly around the thighs. Hoofed feet instead of human like feet. Defined calves and thighs, Slightly bent knees in a stance, ready for action. Oftentimes like a goat or a bull or these kinds of animals, horses and whatnot, that have a position to sprint instantly into action. Usually wearing a leather and fur kilt used to hold potions and weapons or different. Of different types.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And for his legs, I also have a little descriptor, which is the stance and bent of the knees resembles that of animals much like a horse, bull, goat, or other animal, seemingly always at a slight bent angle. This is descriptors. This is again a paraphrased sentence from Greek. So.
Cristina: No, I don't know.
Jack: Yeah, it's some like, weird other thing, right?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So overall notes on stance are slightly hunched posture. It's never perfectly wrecked. It's always got like a sort of lean forward going on. It looks really aggressive no matter what it's doing. Like, it could just be relaxing and looking exceptionally aggressive. But. And because of this, it kind of always appears ready to attack, like a lot of these animals. Like a horse always looks ready to jump into action. Always so weird creature. Looking at the descriptions, I was like, this is kind of weird. So based on these notes, the animals you've listed or what?
Cristina: Goats, gorilla, lion, bull.
Jack: Bull and Human.
Cristina: Human, yes.
Jack: Got a couple of things going on, right?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Which one would you say is more dominant?
Cristina: The human, other than the human. Okay. Bull.
Jack: Bull, right. Looks very dominant. What would be second goat? Right. So we would say that the lion and the gorilla are almost not even present.
Cristina: Yeah. Except it has some tiny features that make it more lion, which is like the mouth is lionish.
Jack: I would argue that gorillas have sharp teeth.
Cristina: They do. Okay, Then the face is gorilla. Ish. But it has a mane that looks very lionish.
Jack: But also goats have that.
Cristina: Goats have that. Oh, yeah. And then the claws, though. That's not a ghost thing? That's not a gorilla thing?
Jack: No, it's totally not.
Cristina: It's not any of those creatures.
Jack: It has to be some cat or some s***, right?
Cristina: Yeah. So it look very odd.
Jack: It looks really weird. If you were to give this creature a name, what would it be? What type of creature is it? Not what species. But if you were to say this is classified as this, would you have a word for it?
Cristina: Crap. I'm pretty sure there's a word and I can't think of that word, but I know it. There is a word, is a word.
Jack: For a fusion of creatures.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: A chimera.
Cristina: Yes, it's a chimera.
Jack: It definitely comes across like a chimera. It looks like a fusion of things. So, yeah, that was weird. And so I was like, well, this is a chimera. I was like, this is interesting. Let's see what more I can find. Just details that exist in history about it.
Cristina: But the claws thing, it does have claws. Is that. That was the description?
Jack: Yeah. Has talons instead of nails.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So looking for what is happening here, I went and looked for some behaviors associated with this thing. And it immediately led me to the fact that this thing is aggressive behavior wise, aggressive, savage. In nature, the Minotaur is depicted as a ferocious and bloodthirsty creature prone to violence and driven by primal instincts.
Cristina: Isn't it like protecting something?
Jack: What is it protecting?
Cristina: I don't know, like an entrance or something. It's kind of like the Locknik monster story where it's like there's a hideout and they're protecting it. So maybe he's protecting an entrance to something or a treasure or, you know.
Jack: Yeah. Feels like a troll you can't pass unless you get through me. Definitely. Definitely has that vibe. Right. It's known for killing and devouring those that cross its path, making it a feared and deadly adversary. Well, isolation is interesting with this creature, the Minotaur. Is known for its isolation, which could represent an inability to fit into either human or animal worlds because of its weird kind of night, neither here nor there vibe. And additionally, this sort of solitude might have contributed to its aggressive nature in the first place.
Cristina: Okay, so then when they're describing this creature, is it just one or are there a few of them known and being described?
Jack: There is one.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Which you will learn in the story of it.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: That I will tell you because you asked. So the story goes as follows. King Minos of Crete. Crete is the most populous of the Greek islands. It's the most populated. Offended Poseidon, one of the Greek researchers. Poseidon then cursed Minos by causing his wife, Queen Palisafe, to fall in love with the magnificent bull.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: As a result of this unnatural union, the Minotaur is born.
Cristina: Oh. Oh, okay. What? I thought he was the thing that she fell in love. Oh, my gosh.
Jack: No, she fell in love. He was just a dude. She fell in love with a bull and then kind of let the bull lay down some pipe.
Cristina: Okay. Okay.
Jack: Yeah. Bestiality. Casually to hide the monstrous offspring, King Minos ordered the construction of a labyrinth.
Cristina: Okay. That's exactly where I would imagine him being.
Jack: Okay, that word doesn't just stand out to you.
Cristina: A labyrinth, like what? Like the thing underneath Clinton Road. I don't know.
Jack: And, like, what else?
Cristina: There's another one. Labyrinth is the house counted as the house. That's how she has the house. Okay.
Jack: It's a maze. A labyrinth is another word for maze.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And her house was a maze. And so. Yeah. So he constructs a labyrinth. Huh? A creature from the Greek experiments or whatever the crap. This is some, you know, bestiality moment, and you create a labyrinth to put it in. Somehow the story immediately smells like bullshit and, like, you guys are covering something up to me.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Now, the labyrinth is beneath his palace where the Minotaur was imprisoned and fed with human sacrifices from Athens. Such a specific set of words and events.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Human sacrifices in a labyrinth?
Cristina: They might not be related. Okay. I mean, they could be, but, like, sacrifices could be something else happening down there.
Jack: Like what?
Cristina: Stones being made. I don't know.
Jack: Interesting. Okay, that's a great. What other thing?
Cristina: What other thing?
Jack: What do you think was happening in the house? That you would suggest stones in this labyrinth and not on that one?
Cristina: Oh, some type of portal to the other side. Great.
Jack: What do you think is happening at the bottom of Clinton Road? That you would suggest stones here and not there?
Cristina: I guess. Because I don't know about missing people because there's dead people here. I don't know the other two stories.
Jack: Clinton Road, where hundreds of people go missing. There's a whole point about that.
Cristina: Oh, well, then, yes, Maybe that's happening there too.
Jack: That's kind of why we looked there in the first place.
Cristina: Focus so much on the ghost story. I forget about the dead that are the people that are missing. Being missing doesn't mean they're dead because they're missing. Like, it's hard to say 100% while you're saying there are dead. These people are dead for sure.
Jack: Dead, like, well, he's feeding on them, so they're dead.
Cristina: So they're dead, but they're being sacrificed or something.
Jack: According to the words. Yes. Now, guardianship, the labyrinth's protector is ultimately the Minotaur because he's who's there all the time. And he acts as a guardian and gatekeeper of the labyrinth, making a symbol of challenge and an obstacle that must be overcome. People get thrown there, and if you can make it out, you are a warrior. Worth note. This is a challenge for you. You're gonna be sacrificed because you're a piece of crap who maybe broke some law. But if you make it out, you're one of our heroes and you're probably joining us.
Cristina: Okay, interesting.
Jack: Except how do you beat the Minotaur and then somebody else can go and face him. You didn't kill him. What does beating the Minotaur then mean?
Cristina: Reaching the doorway that he's protecting. I don't know.
Jack: I guess the way out. Yeah, just like they throw you in through this side, and there's no way to scale the wall. And somewhere there's a door with stairs, and he's going to try to kill you before you get there. Yeah, fair. So within the labyrinth, his behavior is labeled specifically as predatory hunting. Sort of, yeah. The Minotaur is often portrayed as hunting those who enter the domain, stalking them through the maze, like corridors of the labyrinth. A horror movie immediately. There should be a badass movie about this somewhere, about, like, running away from the Minotaur and is chasing you through the chambers or whatever.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Cool. Now trapping the victims, the victims themselves in there. So it serves as a trap, with the Minotaur lying in wait for unsuspecting victims who cannot find their way out. Which leans into what you're saying, a way out. There must be a way out. And you must find the way out before he finds you. So you don't have to kill him. You have to find your Way out. It's a game.
Cristina: There's no way you're gonna kill him.
Jack: There's no way you're gonna kill him. Is a 10 foot monster with weapons deader for a 10 foot monster.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So interesting. It's a game of sorts. Right. At least it seems like, you know, old school coliseum vibes.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: We throw you into the thing will here, will he not modern day. We would just trap every hallway with cameras and make it a show. There's a minotaur down there. It's. It's the Minotaur hour. And today's contestant is Bob. And Bob is gonna be tossing or hopefully he doesn't die on his way down. Then the crowd all cheers. Ah, hopefully doesn't die.
Cristina: Yeah. So we get FL flashbacks to him having an interview beforehand. Yes.
Jack: He, you know, when he sits in front of the camera, he's like, why are you doing this? Well, I feel like I'm the right guy and I can totally accomplish this. I want to be world champion of escaping Minotaur.
Cristina: Yes. And I also don't want to die because I stole.
Jack: Yeah. You know, I was being put to death and I was like, I'll do the minotaur run.
Cristina: I'm fast.
Jack: Yeah. And then I'll become a warrior. Just don't kill me. So. Yeah, fair enough. Like I would watch that show. Just don't throw innocent people. Throw people who have it coming. I mean, theft isn't enough to be thrown in a cage, to be murdered viciously by some monster 10 times your size. And to be fair, we've described it as a human and bull. So it's an animal for sure. And it could smell you. So it's probably way harder to win this than you think.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: It could just find you through scent. And also it knows where people are being thrown to.
Cristina: Yes. There's many.
Jack: My bet would be the only way this could really work. There has to be multiple routes that you can take. Otherwise it's not fair. You're always going to cross paths. Because the idea would be he would start at the door out and you would start at the only way in. So you got to find your way through the maze to the door out. And he's going to start at the door out and try to hunt you. So there must be more than one way to get there so that if he goes one, maybe you can dodge him.
Cristina: Well, that's very maze like. Yeah, exactly.
Jack: Checks out. But he can also track you better because he's an animal who can probably smell you.
Cristina: Yes. Or if it's like Quincen row, then there's many ways in and many ways out. You just have to get out of. Not. You can't go through the way you came in. That's probably the only rule.
Jack: Fair. And unless you. Yeah. Cuz you probably got pushed in from some height that you can't compensate because you're human. But yeah, there's probably multiple ways. And to make it more complicated, assuming because of the nature of what we're talking about, a maze, it's probably not just many ways in and many ways out, but I think literally one way in and one way out. But you can go to a dead end.
Cristina: Many dead ends.
Jack: Not know it's a dead end. And it just connects you to a whole other part of the maze. Somewhere where you just pop up and you're like, I don't. I'm super confused now. So it's probably a mess like that where you could enter all the way at the farthest left, pop up all the way at the farthest right. So you gotta figure this mess out. Like that. But interesting. Again, if that's the case, then it's a little harder for the minotaur to catch you, thus making it more even Your scent is on this side and then it just pops up over there. But you're also heavily confused roaming these halls.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Thus kind of a level playing field at that point.
Cristina: I can't imagine many winners though, right? Or any winner. I don't know.
Jack: So what do we think is actually happening based on this? We're talking about a game, but they're talking about you throw an individual into the maze and this creature hunts you. What's happening?
Cristina: What's happening? Well, if he. I don't know if he's. He's not part of the gods, he's just a random guy. So what could he possibly have to protect? How is he important to anything, this king?
Jack: Well, he's not said to be protecting anything other than the maze. According to the narrative, he's trying to eat whatever thrown in. So it's just a, you know, it's punishment system where you can probably make it out. I guess the reward is if you don't feed him, you get out. Yes, but you're likely just gonna feed him. I think that's the case, right?
Cristina: I think so. I don't know. There seems like something's off. Something's off. Yeah, for sure.
Jack: Okay, I'm going to tell you about the non accepted narrative by looking at.
Cristina: Oh wait, I just got or just remember something. How do people know all his descriptions? Was there a winner because of that?
Jack: Fascinating point.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Oh, fascinating point.
Cristina: Or are there guards? Other guards? No, I don't think so.
Jack: Nobody goes in. Nobody goes in.
Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.
Jack: So that's a great question. Good question. Now I'm gonna give you the correction of these stories from many different sources that aren't the accepted narrative.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: These are mentions in other areas about this. Now, there's an individual called Apollodorus of Athens, and he is one of the authors. He's the literal primary author of the accepted narrative first. So all of the above details came from that individual. Okay, that's from Apollodorus of Athens. So I'm gonna go to a guy named Virgil. Really? His whole name is Publius Virgilius Maro, and the writing is called Virgil's Anaid. This is the text in which he mentions the Minotaur. And he says. Now he only mentions it in passing, by the way. So he chooses to focus on what he deemed more important, which was the labyrinth and its construction. Interesting details he gives us. He claims labyrinth was constructed by Daedalus, which is an individual of note in Greek mythology. Originally learned of the labyrinth during a visit to the temple of Apollo at Kume, where he sees a depiction of the labyrinth on the doors of the temple. Somebody had the maze's layout on their door engraved. On a temple's door engraved. Interesting things happening already. Now we're getting to texts we're more familiar with. Temples and mazes checks out. Okay. The labyrinth is described as inextricable maze with bewildering windings. Checks out to be a maze, very maze like. Descriptions of a maze also described as baffling and confusing. Now a maze whines and takes you to dead ends. For it to be baffling and confusing is hinting towards incoherent nature of it, which would suggest they go on one side, pop out of the other.
Cristina: Okay, yeah.
Jack: Why are you getting baffled and like, how the h*** did I do?
Cristina: Or if it's like that house where like the doors, the stairs lead to nowhere.
Jack: Yes, it could totally.
Cristina: Or the door leads to nowhere or whatever the case.
Jack: Interesting enough, what we know about that house is that this lady built it. Most likely not for that side, but when she died to go to the other side to have a house to roam. She was also the most prominent phantom there.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And she was also one of the only seeming non echoes there. Interesting. And now this place is also confusing. When you were asking where the Minotaur was located in that image. That was just probably a corridor of this maze. This means the Minotaur is described as being at the very center of the maze, coming outward to Hunt. Checks out, except for one problem with the logic. You must be starting at one end. The exit must be at the opposite end. And he starts between the two points. See? Only way it would make sense. There's no way you're trying to get to the middle. No, you gotta get out.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So he's starting halfway between those two points, and he's gonna try to find you, and you're gonna try to avoid it.
Cristina: That's tough.
Jack: On your way to the door.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: As it seems, these are the only mentions we get from Publius Virgilius Maro. So we go then to a different individual that has another quick passing mention. Aristotle's notes in his library.
Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay.
Jack: In his notes, he briefly mentions the Minotaur and refers to him by name as Asterius. Now, you look up Asterias and you'll find variations of this name. Asterias and Asterion. Great. But he gave him a name. That's pretty sweet. Gives us another place to start with. Okay. Anyhow, there's one more writer of prominence that matters here. His name is Euripides. Euripides. So Euripides writings say. Which is a collection. So in his collection of writings, the Minotaur is a result of. Now, this is where it gets weird. This guy is way more obscure, way harder to find, and surprisingly, the guy who has completely different terminology. The Minotaur is a result of a progressive advancement in alchemy.
Cristina: What.
Jack: AKA the sciences of that time.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Claims that Queen Pasiphy was the subject of this alchemic procedure.
Cristina: That makes more sense.
Jack: That makes way more sense and is way more along the lines that we would agree with.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: The second subject was a babylos. A Babylon is a half bison, half bull.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: Chimera.
Cristina: Okay, so that plus her equals this thing Pretty much.
Jack: Interesting.
Cristina: We took an experiment and then combined it with her. Made her experiment.
Jack: You didn't combine her. You used her DNA.
Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.
Jack: Because it was a child. We know the union quote resulted in this. So it's a child of sorts. Some sort of assembly or some. Test tube baby.
Cristina: Test tube baby for sure.
Jack: Right. Some weird. And now we're in the territories we've heard about before. Weird experiments.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: How interesting. Weird experiments that Poseidon was running.
Cristina: Yeah. Makes sense.
Jack: Interesting. Right. Now, it specifically says Chimera, created by Poseidon. By the way. An alchemic process resulted in the two creatures referred to as brothers.
Cristina: What?
Jack: Yes. Now let's take a look again so that you could be quite blown away by what we're looking at. It resulted in two creatures which referred to as brothers.
Cristina: Now you're saying those two things are two different creatures, not one creature being described two different ways.
Jack: These are two different individuals.
Cristina: Okay. Which is the human version? I guess they are both.
Jack: They're twins.
Cristina: They're twins. Okay. And they both came from this lady.
Jack: They're both from the same woman. And the same father. The same mother. Same father, yes.
Cristina: So one of them, though, looks more like a human. A human. And the other one looks more like the father.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Half bison. Half. What was it?
Jack: Half bison, half bull.
Cristina: Bull, yeah.
Jack: Interesting, right?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So this seems to have been lost in mythology. People have mentioned it, but the main narrative, over repeated durations, sort of fused them into one individual. Go back to Aristotle's notes. And he gave us two names.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Yeah. See?
Cristina: Oh, this lady was experimented on.
Jack: Yeah. The two names again being Asterius and Asterion. Asterias is the traditional Minotaur we are familiar with. And then Asterion is the quadruped.
Cristina: Quadruped walks on four legs. Oh, okay.
Jack: The more animalistic one.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Weird, right?
Cristina: Yes, Very strange.
Jack: Additionally, Euripides gives us a nice little detail that is so hard to find outside of his writing that it is baffling. And I've never heard it before until I saw the word. First I saw the word in Greek, and then I had to translate the word from Greek. So the alchemic process resulted in the two creatures referred to as brothers, which are Asterias and Asterion. Asterias, the Minotaur, is brother to Asterion, the Toro Boban. Those two individuals describe their different physical structures. The Minotaur, very human, like the Toroboban, very animalistic. Both twin siblings.
Cristina: Where is the Toro Boban being kept?
Jack: I just told you that the narrative got fused and turned them into one.
Cristina: Yes, but. So in. But then they're both living in the maze.
Jack: Yes. Okay, so the claims by Euripides go. The Minotaur would result reside in the very center of the maze, protecting what he referred to as the entrance. At the center of the maze is the entrance, not where the person you throw in there to die goes in through just something he referred to as the entrance.
Cristina: Okay. Which could be his entrance into the maze, maybe. No, but then he can't go in.
Jack: And out, so he can't go in and out.
Cristina: It's very strange to call it the entrance or not strange if it's not really an entrance in the way. We're thinking, like, if it's more like a portal.
Jack: Like that.
Cristina: Yes, like the house.
Jack: The entrance at the house was just what looked like a seance room, as referred to like a sandro. Yeah, but it was just an entrance.
Cristina: Entrance, but it wasn't. It was just a room.
Jack: No, it was an entrance, but I guess it was literally an entrance, just not for us. Yes, but it was an entrance. This is not an incorrect terminology. You're not. Don't discredit the word entrance. It is an entrance. He's not wrong. He didn't write it. And you're over here correcting him. No, that is the right word. It's an entrance.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: We just got a question. What kind of an entrance? And we have an example of an entrance at the center of literally a maze.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Very similar scenario. The Minotaur, what we're familiar with, is at the center of the maze. It's weird that the Toro Boban isn't the one at the center of the maze and that people never see the entrance. So we don't know about the Tora Boban. People have made it to the entrance because they see the Minotaur. It's easier, it seems, to evade the Toro Boban.
Cristina: But he's the one probably eating them.
Jack: The Toro boban.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Yeah, he's definitely the one killing them out there.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And then anybody who makes it all the way to the Minotaur, you then have a fight in your hands that you're probably not gonna win. And he's about to eat too.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Interesting.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: These two creatures got fused into one and lost a history. Never before have I seen this. The Toro Boban would roam the maze. Hunting the prey is the very next line.
Cristina: Yeah, that sounds like what we thought. Yep. Yep.
Jack: Although that's been attributed to the Minotaur. That is incorrect. The animalistic one is the one roaming those halls, those corridors, while the one most man like stands dead center, waiting casually.
Cristina: Yeah, but even if you make it to that entrance, quote unquote, you're not really getting out. Even if you can pass him, because that's not the actual way.
Jack: No. They're not protecting an exit.
Cristina: No.
Jack: You're meant to die there.
Cristina: Yes. If you made it there, you go the wrong way.
Jack: Yeah, exactly. There's probably a way out. It's just not that way. And that is a way in for something else. Yeah, you're not going to that side. If you can't, I won't let you. I'm only here to let them in, not you out.
Cristina: I mean, maybe you can come back in that way after he's done with you.
Jack: Now, based on the pattern we're looking at, there's some things we could question here. If that is an entrance, that means that there is another exit. Because the entrance is where the Minotaur is. The exit must be elsewhere. The exit to the maze must be elsewhere because the Minotaur is blocking the entrance.
Cristina: Yes. Yeah.
Jack: That is the entrance, not the exit. It's specifically labeled as the entrance. And we know what kind of interest they're referring to. Yes, because we have another example of it. But how do we know more about the Minotaur than we do about the Torah Boban? The people telling the story were never human. They must have originated the narrative. It's Jinn or something coming through. And they're most likely to see the Minotaur on the way in.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Then the Toro Boban roaming the halls. They would never come across. He's at the door. He's the first thing you see when you come through the Minotaur.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: There's no reason you would see the Torah Boban unless you stumbled into him writing these stories.
Cristina: Are community communicating with ghost. Question.
Jack: Not ghost with Jin.
Cristina: Yeah, but it's like the same to those people.
Jack: Not if they came through.
Cristina: Like they have physical bodies when they come through.
Jack: Like all of the Djinn that come through, you see? So whatever's coming through that becomes physical. Just like the Jinn that interact in all these other groups, it's a physical thing. Those individuals then come in contact with perhaps the individuals telling these stories.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And inform them about what they saw. And 99 times out of a hundred, the only thing you saw there was Minotaur.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Because the other one is roaming the halls.
Cristina: Yes. To kill humans, not to kill.
Jack: To kill the punished.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Interesting.
Cristina: So they're not hunting Djinns or. None. They're just interested in the humans.
Jack: Yes. They're being fed to do their job. Interesting. Two outcast brothers put in this maze, and they're gonna be fed. It's not really outcast if they're kind of down with it and performing almost a duty. It becomes almost like they were made for this purpose because the maze was made for this purpose. And then your only thing was to put them there. These are op. You could use these for a lot of things, but you put them in the maze and have one Roaming the halls. And the other one guarding, quote, the entrance, unquote.
Cristina: Yes. Like this. This was gonna happen whether that lady was involved or not.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Somebody's being punished.
Jack: But, like, I don't think so. I think that's bullshit story.
Cristina: Oh, you think that part is?
Jack: I think that. Yeah, I think that's all fake narrative.
Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah, Yeah.
Jack: I think it was just ways to explain it by people who didn't know what was going on.
Cristina: Yeah, like the other story with the.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Queen that turned into Snake.
Jack: Yeah, exactly. It's just, you know, warped stories, People trying to comprehend crap. So the Toro Boban is something lost to history, something lost in text. Now, it's mentioned in passing and here and there, casually, very hard to find. But if you look hard enough, it shows up. The Toro Boban called Asterion, and the Minotaur called Asterias, they were named to begin with. Their names were also lost. It's very hard to find their names.
Cristina: Their names are very similar to each other.
Jack: Yes. So things to note about this. We've come across mazes, as we know, and they kind of resemble the scenario.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And even if there's no particular maze structure in Clinton Road other than. And it's not even a maze, more than just some weird private area with entrance and exits that we're unfamiliar with, that's not maze. Like, there's probably a straight shot there. We just don't know how to get there. But the. The underground and the whole setup on top where you could, like, literally walk down this way and then pop up over there. But there is a town there that's like a maze, which is Paradise.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: And you go into paradise and the roads start changing on you and the exits start changing on you. Interesting. There's a maze there too. Sort of.
Cristina: Sort of. Yeah.
Jack: New modern age maze. But we go way far back. There's literally a labyrinth. We go in the middle between these two points, we have a house that's weird and confusing. And we jump a little more further up and we have a town that's equally confusing. So it's the same layout. Presumably at the center of paradise, there must be what? A gate in the center of Paradise. Two different instances are hinting towards the third one.
Cristina: Have you looked up stories about Paradise?
Jack: That is the next goal for sure. Because now we have a point of reference.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Now we have a way to look at it other than it's a town. What stories do people know about the town? Like, people don't know things. No, we need reference.
Cristina: Yes. Okay.
Jack: And now we have perspective, we can start looking. Is there anything weird that's ever happened at the center of paradise? Has anybody seen anything like this or that?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: In paradise?
Cristina: Probably. Then we call it the Jersey Devil. Who knows?
Jack: Yes. Any possibility? Yes, exactly. Something is at the center of paradise. Maybe we were looking in the wrong locations. And where we should have been looking all along was the maze. Paradise. This is my point. We have no idea how to. The place is too big. There's too much crap there. Perspective.
Cristina: Too much going on.
Jack: Too much perspective is so important. We have to get informed elsewhere and then come back. There's some unrelated nonsense. Since it totally turned out related.
Cristina: Yes. Was that your goal?
Jack: No, no. I'm just getting information from any. Again, anything that relates to any of the groups or any of the things could hint.
Cristina: Okay, so something reminds you of this and then you went on this hunt.
Jack: Yeah. No. Not reminded me of this per se, but I'm just looking at things and creatures and I stumble upon the thing and you know, chase random threads and see where they go. If nothing, go over there. I tell you, the ones that do connect, there's a bunch of crap that doesn't. If it's interesting enough, I don't care. If it doesn't, I'll tell you anyways.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But amazing. I think there's something at the center of paradise.
Cristina: Yes. And we gotta find it. Yep.
Jack: If anything, it has to be some sort of a portal because we're two for two.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: The distinct role of the brothers and how the more humanoid of the two would stay at the entrance is of note. That's definitely a welcome party. Not just blocking somebody from the maze, getting to the door and going through some private location you shouldn't be heading to. Like the hidden gate at the seance room. It's almost like you're trying to prevent people going through to the other side. You just want things to come through onto this side.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And putting the more human of the two there instead of having the more human of the two walking the halls, you're. It's a welcome party. You have somebody who could, like, I can guide you to where you need to go.
Cristina: Yes, Guide them. Yes.
Jack: Instead of a freaking half monstrous bull looking thing that you're like. That looks like the kinds of crap we kill on my end.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You know, you want something humanoid and like, oh, yeah, I'm here to point.
Cristina: The way or something. Yes.
Jack: Then again, I'm sure he's the welcome party and kind of sets you up for My brother is going to guide you. He's my brother. You're safe. Instead of the brother, be the one who show up. The Toro Boban. You're like, oh, my God, Did I go through the wrong door? Okay, so have the humanoid one speak to you and be looking like a human. And then the Toro Boban that roams the halls would escort you to the actual door that it's familiar with. How to get to.
Cristina: I don't know. I think they avoid him completely because there is no stories of the other guy because the other guy's just murdering.
Jack: Fair enough. Right? They would have mentioned them, too. Yes. You're totally right. They're not seeing him at all. Meaning the. The Minotaur actually leaves its post.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Because at the end of the day, nobody's getting that far.
Cristina: No.
Jack: And one trip isn't gonna suddenly allow the person to just get to the door.
Cristina: Yep. The only one anyone sees is the Minnow Tower.
Jack: And anybody who maybe the Torah Boban is kind of like my bro, you know, My brother's kind of off edge, so you stay with me. I'll tell him you're good, and we'll go to the door, and you can exit. But if you come across my brother.
Cristina: Without me, maybe that's why he's so buff, in case he has to fight off the brother. Although they never mention it.
Jack: They don't mention it? No.
Cristina: They work together according to the avoiding or. Yeah. They just stay away from each other. Okay.
Jack: It could be that they stay away from each other, but, I mean, I guess it could be. There's no mention they do. Well, no. They both eat, and they both stop anything from getting to that door.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So they're sharing.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: So I'm assuming they're still cool with each other. Maybe the Toro Bowman is just way more aggressive, and he's like, keep all that other away from me. I don't want to. I don't want any part of this.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: While the. The Minotaurs is, you know, more humanoid. I'm more accepted. He is definitely way more rejected than I am.
Cristina: Yes. But he's not a social creature, either, at least in the descriptions I think you gave of him.
Jack: Yeah. Isolated. Both of them are.
Cristina: Yeah. So he's just doing his job. I think it's not to socialize or anything.
Jack: Just like in both of their cases, they're just doing their jobs. Yeah. It just so happens to be that one is at the door and probably the escort to the exit.
Cristina: Yeah. That's it.
Jack: Follow me. And I'LL get you out at the end. Interesting, right? Very. Again, so much of this lost to repeat iteration. Yeah, it just gets lost in translation. The area referred to as the entrance being the center of the labyrinth, opposed to being the entrance being on the outer edges, is very informative. That's definitely a way in from somewhere else. And we have examples which heavily enlightened that this is existing at the center of paradise, at least. Most likely.
Cristina: Most likely.
Jack: Even if not, it seems most likely the experimentation that Poseidon performed as to result in the Babylons to begin with. So he was already creating weird things, made this chimera and then use this chimera to make a double chimera.
Cristina: Yeah, to make a few more, you.
Jack: Know, chimera twice removed. I made that thing and I'm gonna use that thing to make something else. Merge this cool other thing with a human.
Cristina: Which he probably has other experiments too.
Jack: Yes. Based on this, there must be a plethora of experiments that are hard to find that Poseidon has performed. Weird.
Cristina: That's very weird because, like, the. The unicorns aren't theirs. Not the unicorns. The. Yeah, the unicorns aren't theirs. And they thought that was weird about the unicorns. But, like, there's creatures in Greek that would remind you of the unicorns. Like, you would think those are animals from there.
Jack: Well, I have a reason why they would think it's weird. The Minotaur and the toro boban don't seem to have weird supernatural powers.
Cristina: Okay. Yes. Because the unicorn could fly.
Jack: The unicorn can just levitate and they're like, how the h*** did you do that?
Cristina: Yeah. Because if they do have unicorns from there as well, they wouldn't be. They would hover. They would just. They would be more horse like.
Jack: Yes. They would have other things going on. The best they keep in mind. Keep in mind that they have no version of this. Their imitation of a unicorn is a Pegasus. It's still not powers. It's a physical thing. You gave it wings so it could fly. Yeah, because theirs doesn't have wings and can just take off into the sky. And you still have no idea.
Cristina: No.
Jack: So we're looking at the Greek can make chimera. But the Alicians don't need to waste their time merging two animals. They could just take a random animal and jacket.
Cristina: Don't know what they did. Don't know how it's possible.
Jack: But also, we do know how it's possible because the Greek have no idea how the h*** the stones were being made. They were referring them they were just referencing always different, different versions of adrenochrome. They're drowning in that.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: While the Elysians figured out the stone that they could just use to make the unicorn.
Cristina: Okay. Yeah.
Jack: Logic. There's. Their methods are so different, and they can result in kind of sort of the same things.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But through vastly different methods. These are two very, extremely different sciences taking place. Interesting, because we have a third completely different science in modern day.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So we're looking at. The Greek had one version of science that does not reflect anything the Elicians did or anything we've ever done. Then the Elysians have some form of science that doesn't reflect anything we've ever done or anything the Greek have ever done. And we have a version of science that doesn't reflect anything the Greek ever did or anything the Alicians ever did.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Science is not one way.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: There are roads to take, and some people find other ways. And this is a great example of the building stones we know about. The Elysians never consumed adrenochrome, as far as we can tell. But avoiding that killed quite a lot of people.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: While the Greek didn't have to kill mass people. They would just have to continuously, you know, kill one here, kill one there to consume the adrenochrome. But they have to remain hooked up.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So in order to not be hooked, you got to take a lot of life.
Cristina: That's tricky. There's life. Either way, you're losing life, no matter.
Jack: Losing life no matter what. Interesting. Interesting. Two vastly different sciences. And it makes total logic how you got the stone, and the stone breaks the laws of nature, so a unicorn becomes possible. You over here aren't breaking the laws of nature. You have no idea how the h*** they did that. So you're just altering your physical makeup through literal chemicals. And so in the same kind of way, you could do that. Something else.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Alter the physical makeup at birth and then you got some other thing. Totally different sciences, totally different products. It's awesome that they line up in logical kind of ways, but. Yeah, it's weird. Weird. The unicorn thing versus the Pegasus thing. The different sciences, the methods they took to get there. Fascinating man. Poseidon. Creating chimeras is weird. It's a hat that's not mentioned more. But again, we're talking about real obscure lost information.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And it's just fascinating that he. He kind of. We haven't heard of experiments on experiments.
Cristina: Yeah, I guess.
Jack: Yeah. But it would make sense if you can't just do it the first time with a stone. You have to won't A plus B equals C. Then I use C plus D, so on and so forth. Because it's literal, more practical. As opposed to just breaking laws of physics and nature. And as a result of all of this crap, the Tora Bobon gets lost to history and fused in literature to the Minotaur. Ultimately making it look like they've been one all along when they weren't. There's a weird turn.
Cristina: There's gotta be more creatures.
Jack: More double triple, quadruple experiments going on.
Cristina: Yeah. Just like the they when they made the Nagas. They made a bunch of Naga variations of them.
Jack: Trying to get to. But we didn't see see Keto experiment on an existing Naga.
Cristina: No.
Jack: Or an existing Grogan, which isn't a Naga. Just trying to. But he didn't succeed in making it to the way that he would call a Naga. So he made Medusa. And then like this is weak. He didn't work on Medusa's DNA again. He started again from scratch.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: While Poseidon is leveled up, bro. He understood. Nah, just work on the thing already. Use that.
Cristina: I like what I made, but I want to get. Yeah, yeah.
Jack: I want to make it better. So I'm not going to start from scratch. I'm improve on the model.
Cristina: Fascinating scientist.
Jack: It seems he would be. But he is amongst the group. And here is just a different visual of the exact same duo. Looking a little more, you know, casual next to each other. No longer in the same image, but a more accurate depiction of what you'd look at.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Still with the red eyes.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Pretty horrifying.
Jack: Both quite aggressive and menacing looking. Those features kind of line up ultimately. But yeah, when you look at it, it really is just a.
Cristina: They look like they're related.
Jack: They totally do. They totally do. Yeah.
Cristina: Yeah. You could think that was there. It's werewolf version if that was a thing.
Jack: Yep. But you end up with this result of like these two born at the same time. Twin brothers. Both isolated individuals. Highly aggressive, ginormous, 7 to 10ft tall individuals. But looking at this creature has informed us on Paradise Road that leads to the town of Paradise. Yes. Now this random thing aimed because the maze was what mattered here. Yeah. We learned about a cool other experiment. Dope. Pretty awesome that we found some kind of real hidden knowledge. But all of this was just entertainment purposes. Because the knowledge we should all be taking from here is another maze with another gate at the center.
Cristina: Has to be.
Jack: And we have a third maze that we've never looked at because we thought it was just, you know, the jumbled nature of the shadow realm. But that doesn't make sense. The veil wouldn't be so thin there. That's a place meant to channel an entrance.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: We just gotta find the entrance. Which would be harder to find the closer to the center you get.
Cristina: Presumably, for sure, because it would be.
Jack: More, I don't know, more jumbled, harder to get the closer you get. You take a wrong turn, you might find your way all the way to the beginning again.
Cristina: Yeah. Yes. I think we found something. Or we're gonna find something. I think we're gonna find something.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting. Anyways, that's what I have, the Minotaur, which is not one individual, but rather the Minotaur and the Toro Boban both got crushed into one word, Minotaur. But Minotaur is only one individual. Asterias, the bipedal, one of the two.
Cristina: The other one being the quadrip.
Jack: Asterion. Asterias is the Mena, the minotaur, and Asterion is the quadruped.
Cristina: Okay, beautiful.
Jack: Anyways, anybody who has any input, any information, if you got enlightened. Yeah. If you found that interesting, if you concluded something we didn't think about that's hidden in this data we went through, tell us, message us, communicate with us, hit us up on our socials at just convopod on X, on Facebook, on Instagram, on Tick tock, wherever the h*** you want, find us.
Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.
Jack: Yeah. And word of the mouth, talk to people. Tell them, not just you hit us up, but you tell people to come and listen. Especially people who like Greek mythology or people who like any kind of mythology or supernatural things. Or weird things.
Cristina: Or weird things. Yeah.
Jack: It's all here.
Cristina: It's all there.
Jack: We do pretty fringy stuff.
Cristina: This has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks, bro. Listening. Bye.
Jack: Foreign.
Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.
