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Rambling 296: Godzilla: The True Story Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised. Jack: Going live in 5, 4. Cristina: What does live mean? Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack. Cristina: And I'm your host, Cristina. Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today, I thought it would be really cool if we looked at something that happened recently and unpacked how the world has reacted in response to these things that have occurred to Godzilla. Godzilla. I mean, I guess I wonder how people would react to Godzilla. I know there would be people who would be like, wow, it was based on truth. Instantly, a bunch of conspiracy theorists are gonna say, we were right all along. And the elites always put the truth in front of you because they have to tell you for whatever deal they made with something. Cristina: If it's part of conspiracy, then did they. Did the government, the world government, or whatever make Godzilla interesting? Jack: Or Godzilla could be a demon, a deity of some sort. God. God is in the name. Somebody's gonna put that connection together. Cristina: He's a God that was hidden, but someone knew about him. So did the government hide him until he broke loose or until the government was like, you know, the world government was like, okay, these people are out of control. We gotta let this guy loose. Jack: You think? Okay, okay, let's go back. You think the government made Godzilla? Cristina: No, I'm not saying they made him, but if they kept him a secret, then they probably have him locked up. Jack: Yes. Yes. Okay, fair enough. Fair enough. So the premise here is ultimately right. We're gonna fix this. This is gonna make a lot of sense. The premise here is two things. Regardless of how Godzilla is real and two, actually, three concepts that need to work here. Godzilla is real. And we're gonna prove this somehow. Cristina: Sure. Jack: And two, the government somehow knew. Somehow, somehow. Cristina: Whether they kept it or they just knew where he was or something. Jack: And three, that's because we only know about Godzilla to begin with. Because the government always has to tell us whatever they're doing, even if in secrecy. So they have to put it in front of us somehow. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Because the elites have to show us they made a deal with something. As we know is whatever theory. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And they have to show you. They got to tell you what they're doing, so they'll do it in cryptic ways so you don't know, but you know, or whatever. Cristina: I don't get it. I think it's so you can be used to it, so that when it happens, you're not as scared. Except the point of showing it is to scare you. Like, I don't. I don't know. So, like, they show it to you so that you. When it does happen, you're not too freaked out about it. Because they don't want you to kill yourself. Because at the end of the day, they still need you alive. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: For whatever their evil plan is. They just need you to know that it was possible. And then when it's possible when it's there, then. Jack: But I don't know why they would want you to know about Godzilla. Cristina: Why would they? They want us to know about everything. Aliens? Jack: Yeah. That's why. I think it's not that they're trying to descend. I think those people are wrong. If. If our three things are to be true, then they don't want us to know about Godzilla because they're unleashing Godzilla to kill us. Cristina: No. Jack: To do what? Why? Why would. Okay, let's. Let's work on one of these problems at a time. Cristina: Okay? Jack: Why are they. Cristina: Who. Jack: Somehow the theory that you're going with is they're trapping Godzilla. Godzilla? Maybe they could have made Godzilla, but Godzilla could have existed beforehand. Cristina: Yes. Jack: So it could happen either way. Maybe it was an accident. It could be that the story they told us about Godzilla was accurate. Cristina: It's just a natural thing that happened out from radiation hitting a lizard or something. From their bombs. Jack: Is that the initial story? Cristina: Something like that. Like they. We bombed Japan and then Godzilla was made. No. Jack: Okay, okay, okay, hold on. Let's. Let's f******. Without looking it up first, let's. Let's make our assumption. Okay, so you think war. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And nuclear waste. 00:05:00 Cristina: Yes. And then lizard and nuclear waste equals Godzilla. Jack: Okay, okay. I think cautionary tale. Power plant or chemical waste plant or something. Cristina: Yeah. And a lizard. Jack: Yeah. Wait, but you're saying war? Cristina: Well, it could be either or. Jack: Okay, you're just saying chemical. Cristina: Chemicals. A lizard, Godzilla. Jack: Chemicals. A lizard Godzilla. I agree. I think. I think it's a cautionary term. Cristina: Chemicals. I think it's bit a lizard and made Godzilla. Jack: Chemicals. Bit a lizard. Cristina: It's like Spider Man. Jack: Okay, fair enough. Kind of like the Ninja Turtles. Cristina: Yes. Jack: I mean, to be fair, that story. Cristina: The Ninja Turtles of whatever that story. Jack: Is about four N4 turtles that got bit by a radioactive rat, Right? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: And didn't he find them already mutated and turned into. No, they were just turtles. Cristina: Turtles. And you're saying he made them? The rat, the rat made them? Is he the villain? I don't think so. I think he found Them? No, the bad guy probably made them by accident. Doing weird experiment things. Jack: I bet. I bet it's some crap like that. Cristina: Experiments or an accident. Jack: No, I think. Yeah, it would probably have been like. And then he was trying the. His quest in life was to stop what he. The problem he created. So he spent his whole life trying to fix the issue of four mutant rats. I mean, turtles and a. I don't know. Maybe he made the rat too. They knew each other or something. Wasn't Master Splinter his master? Cristina: And he's just a dude. It's just a regular human dude against some wild animals. Jack: Any train. Cristina: And he's bad. Jack: Well, I don't know. I think I could be wrong. I don't know why. This is the memory, and I'm not gonna look it up. We're never gonna find out, okay? Because I've never seen the Ninja Turtles. I've read so little about the Ninja Turtles. I think, like, I literally don't even know how they became. Cristina: Like. Jack: I'm assuming it's waste if my memory says waste to some degree. Right? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: I think the rat knew martial arts because the guy taught it. But as you have brought up the question, did this guy teach a normal rat martial arts and that rat then went off into the world and became a mutant freak? Or did this guy make or find a mutant rat? Cristina: I can't believe he actually. No, I don't think he has to do anything with them. That can't be part of the story. It doesn't make sense. Jack: Then how the h*** did. He's a good guy. It doesn't matter what the h*** we're looking at. This guy is probably trying to just stop these weird animal freaks. Does he have targets? Does he harm people? Cristina: I think he's a criminal. Jack: Oh, he's a criminal. Cristina: I'm pretty sure he's doing crime. Jack: Are they superheroes? Cristina: I think so. Because I feel like the girl that's involved is also, like, a journalist or something. Jack: Holy s***. Are they Spider Man? Cristina: Yes. They're just like Superman. Jack: Are they super strong? Don't they have to, like, know martial arts? They gotta combat these guys one to one. They're not like one shotting everybody. Cristina: But they're. It's hard to hurt them. They're turtles, I guess. They have the highest defense. They might not be the fastest or strongest, but they're defense man. Jack: In a world where other creatures also mutated in a similar fashion. If we said they all approximated to about the same size, why would that happen? I don't Know even why the turtles began with. Okay, the least defensive thing Would probably be a standing turtle. Cristina: Well, maybe they can do stuff with their shells. I don't know. Jack: How could they see you if the only way for that defense to be high up, and you'd still have six points that you can be poked or stabbed or killed through? Yeah, you're just upping your defense. It's not perfect. Cristina: You think it. They're less defensive, though? Jack: I don't think they're less offensive. I think they're just lame. Cristina: They are pretty lame. Yeah. Jack: Yeah, yeah. In fact, we would have to increase the size of these turtles to make everybody the size of the biggest already existing. So the elephant is the only creature that wouldn't increase in size. All the other creatures would. 00:10:00 Jack: Except giraffe. We'll see the elephant, the giraffe. That's where we cap off. They don't change. Everything below them must increase in size to be at least the height of the elephant. If the turtles went up. Cristina: Yes, because they're like godzilla, who was a little lizard. Because it was smaller than them. Probably. Jack: Yes. But their soft spot is going to be larger. Yes. Cristina: Their soft spot. Jack: Yeah. The flat, the six points where the head goes in, where the two front and back legs going, and where the tail goes in, which is actually not different holes. Usually you have two large slits which are where their arms, the top arm, the top legs, and their head are. And then where their tail and back and hind legs are. Those are the two exits. So those two soft spots, as the turtle gets larger Would then be more vulnerable and be a larger target for the opponents. And if they're hiding, to remove their head, arms, and legs. Cristina: I don't know why they pick turtles. I don't know. It makes no sense. Jack: Yeah. They couldn't see you. Cristina: I thought they picked something cooler. Jack: They couldn't see you. Cristina: Turtles was cool. And then they gave them the attitude of spider man. I'm imagining that they came out around the same time on spider man because they have that boyish attitude that spider man has. But there's what, four or five of them? Jack: Say that again. Cristina: That they have the same attitude that spider man has. Jack: Yeah, they're broad out and, like making jokes. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Except the angry red one. Cristina: Huh? Jack: He doesn't make jokes. Right. He's serious. Cristina: I don't know. There's an angry ninja turtle. Jack: I thought there was an angry red one. Cristina: I don't. I don't know. Jack: I know. Hold on. Let me see. Cristina: I don't even know if there's four or five of them. I don't even know the number of turtles. Jack: I think there's four turtles and a girl turtle. Four dude turtles. Cristina: Girl turtle. Jack: There's a dudette turtle. Cristina: There's not a dudette turtle. There's a girl, but she's not a turtle. Jack: No, there's a girl. Cristina: There's not a girl turtle. Jack: I promise you there's a girl. Cristina: She must have came out way later because the original turtles are. No. Are just boy turtles. Jack: No. I mean, yeah, sure, but there's a girl turtle. No, there is a hundred percent a girl turtle. Cristina: When did they introduce a girl turtle? It makes no sense. Jack: I think pretty early. Cristina: Are you positive? Jack: I guarantee you there is a girl. Cristina: But she's not a turtle. She's a human. Jack: There's a female ninja turtle. I swear to God. No. Cristina: What does that mean? Jack: She got turtle b****. Cristina: That's exactly what I was picturing. But no, there's not ninja turtle. No. Jack: In turn, she's blue. Girl turtle. Cristina: But that's just a made up turtle. Jack: She's blue and light. She's light. Cristina: She's not one of them. They just turned one of their turtles into a female turtle. Jack: No, they got blue. They got b****. Cristina: No, look, there's a. That's him. Jack: No, no. Cristina: Yes, there is that guy. They just changed his sex, but he still. No, there's no female ninja turtle. Jack: What is her name? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: There you go. Cristina: Ew. Jack: Yeah, there's just a chick that's lighter blue. Cristina: When did she. But she's not part of the original Ninja turtles. Jack: You probably not. I don't. Sure you could tell. I'll go with that. I have no idea. Cristina: I just know they don't look like teens anymore. I don't know what they're supposed to be. Now you see that girl? She's the girl. And she's just a human in the yellow suit. Jack: That's the reporter. Cristina: Yeah, I think something like that. Jack: There's just an extra turtle here who isn't even a chick. Cristina: I don't know what's happening. Jack: Yeah, but you get the point. Cristina: No, I don't. What was the point? That they. Jack: There's a female turtle. Cristina: The turtles. Originally there's like four turtles, now there's. Jack: Five and there's a chick. And I think it's been like that since like the second iteration. Cristina: No, he's like. Even the newest projects, you don't see the girl turtle. Jack: Oh, fair enough. Maybe they just don't like. Maybe sexism is alive. Cristina: Maybe. Jack: Okay, There are three scenarios here that are depicted in films that we can use to try to understand Godzilla right now. Cristina: Okay. Jack: One, nuclear testing. You were right. My specifics on it being a power plant was wrong. 00:15:00 Jack: But it wasn't war, it was for war. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It was just test site, probably some random a** island in the middle of nowhere, but had wildlife. Biology suggests in other films that it was a prehistoric kind of dinosaur. Cristina: I don't understand. Jack: So upon the discovery of this dinosaur that was somehow living underwater, is it. Cristina: Like that movie where they found King Kong in the center of the world? Jack: Kind of, yeah. Cristina: Like she's just sleeping in the center of the world and somehow she pops out here. Or he. She. I don't know what Godzilla is. Jack: Well, she. I think she's neither. Cristina: Okay, Well, I think she's like a. Jack: Frog could just, you know, asexually reproduce. Cristina: But Godzilla was down there. Jack: Yeah. Or just sleeping at the bottom of the ocean or something like Nessie. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And so, yeah, that's the other idea. Cristina: And there's a third one. Jack: The third one is essentially a hybrid logic where there was this maybe unknown reptile that was exposed to some chemical waste and that. So it's sort of both things. It had a unique chemistry that then allowed it to become. Cristina: I'm not sure what you tried to say. Jack: There are other lizards and other things in the same water with the same lizard that then became Godzilla. Godzilla was either amongst the species that it was the last of, or it had wandered off into a different eg area and reached the radiation. And its unique DNA had its reaction to the exposure to be turning into this large thing and nothing else did. Because the logic would be why would radiation turn this one lizard huge and not all the others, which is legit? Cristina: I don't know. Because like, if he's real, then what stops all the other things that they are showing us to be real? Jack: Legit. So assuming that Godzilla is a self contained situation, then we can write off the nuclear test site is wrong. And it's probably some kind of creature that has existed for a long time. Meaning the government found it. Cristina: Okay. Jack: They didn't make it. They saw this thing. Who knows how long it's been hidden or caught. But the government has it. We don't know when or why. We just know that they have it. Cristina: Okay, solved. Jack: They caught some sort of ancient creature. Cristina: That's what they do. Jack: Yes. Okay, now how do they know its capabilities? Cristina: They gotta experiment on it like they do. Jack: But how? Where? I guess we, no matter what, we can make a Space large enough. If we have enough funds, it doesn't matter. Cristina: Yeah, maybe it's where we say the aliens are. What's that spot? Area 52. Area? Jack: Yeah, giant location where it could fire whatever beam into nowhere. Cristina: They're experimenting on it. That's how they make their flying ships. They're not using alien technology. They're using an alien like creature. I guess. Jack: Fair enough. And its energy beam is what taught us about lasers and s***. Cristina: Yep, yep, yep. Jack: Interesting. Okay, so then now the question is, why would they release it? To do what? Cristina: To get us not to not. It's confusing because it has to do with Jesus coming back to life and the rapture. But it's like the government is against Jesus. So I don't know. I try to understand these conspiracies, but it's always something like this. Jack: Okay, well, assuming the whole Jesus thing is wrong and the rapture isn't gonna happen, grounding this in the re. In being as real as possible, what are some reasons the government might release Godzilla? Like, what's a real concern that they would be like, oh, get the people in check. I mean, maybe think about it. Think about it. We got conspiracy project 100% to fight the aliens. No, if some government. That's probably why they show us this movie specifically. Right. It's like, oh, we found this creature is one movie. But hey, he helps us from time to time. Cristina: Yeah, Godzilla sometimes not that bad. Jack: I bet they've always been working on mind control technology in order to figure it out for Godzilla. Maybe. Maybe it's not a creature they can control. So they maintain it tied and sedated because it's like, dude, this dinosaur 00:20:00 Jack: is bigger than most of our mega structures. Cristina: Yes. Like, why are they gonna. It's not to attack us. Like, they don't need a giant lizard, dude. Jack: Also, the size depiction of Godzilla tells us that maybe Godzilla has been around and we've seen it throughout time. Because think about the different scales. Sometimes it's just the right size to fight King Kong, and King Kong is so small, it had to climb to the top of the Empire State Building. Cristina: Yeah, he's not that. Jack: He's not that big. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Other times, Godzilla is so tremendously f****** large that it is the height of the Empire State Building. Cristina: So what are we. What are we saying? It's actual sizes? Then I think maybe the child, if there's children version is the size of King Kong. Jack: And really the adult is what we're holding back. That's the. When we're talking about, we let Some creature out to protect Earth. That's what we're talking about. We're talking about that really big one we're hoping the guy we can control at some point. Because we're going to need it for when the big s*** comes to. When the meteor is almost here. Shoot a beam into the sky. Cristina: Could be okay to stop the, you. Jack: Know, aliens are coming. Start attacking. Fire all you've got. Cristina: You don't think it's like a government thing? Like, they know the other. Every country has their own Godzilla thing. And they're like, okay, if someone releases their Godzilla, then you got the. You got to press the button to release our Godzilla. Kind of like the nuclear crisis, except with monsters. Jack: Then. Then America doesn't have Godzilla. Cristina: Why not? Jack: Because Godzilla's Japanese, Right? Cristina: I don't know. Because I think it comes from us doing the experiment with radiation. Them seeing what we're doing. That created the fear. Jack: But they caught the creature. It's their creature. It was over there. Cristina: So. Or maybe we're attacking them with it. Jack: I have a theory that works with a lot of the world. Godzilla is Japanese, and we have our own creature. Theirs was our fault. Cristina: Okay? Jack: Ours was our intention. Cristina: Oh, what is ours? Jack: I don't know. What creature do we talk about in any manner, shape or form that makes absolute sense as an equivalent to Godzilla? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: Was King Kong our creation? Cristina: I think so. Jack: We have a giant ape somewhere. Cristina: Somewhere does not really compare to Godzilla. Jack: But no, we went to Jurassic Park. We went to. Yes, we went. Yes, we went to Brazil and found King Kong. Right. Cristina: I don't know. Jack: We went to some random jungle out in a different country. It wasn't over here. No, we didn't capture King Kong and bring him over here. We went back to King Kong. Cristina: I know. Jack: We did capture King Kong at some point. That's how he got to the Empire State Building. Cristina: Yes, we captured him from the island he was at. Jack: Yes. But that's the story of how that went wrong. Okay, so is Jurassic Park. Yes, but I think you're right. I think we were like, we can do bigger and better, and we could do it with nothing but money. Cristina: Yeah. So we made not just one many. Jack: We got all of them. We got hella creatures bigger and badder than all your creatures. Cristina: I don't know if any of them compare to Godzilla. Yeah. If you look at the biggest dinosaur and put it next to Godzilla, is it competing? But even if it was competing in size, like, it doesn't have the ability to. Jack: Yes, Godzilla. Some other That's. Cristina: Even if Godzilla was smaller in size, does it matter if it shoots out beams? Jack: Yeah, it's like a pure energy. Like it'll cut, it'll. Cristina: It's. Jack: It's a lightsaber. Cristina: Yes. Like it doesn't matter what we have. No matter how large it is, there's no winning. Jack: I know. You know, like, I don't think it's gonna be. Man, that. That would be nuts. Cristina: You're looking up. Let me see, let me see. Jack: The largest dinosaur was about 85ft long and potentially as tall as a three story building at most. Cristina: And what is Godzilla size? Jack: Yeah. Now the question is, what was at its largest? Cristina: There's many, so. Yeah. Jack: Yeah, straight up. It varies from film to film, but the largest is 00:25:00 Jack: is 350ft. How tall is the Empire State Building? Nah, nah, nah, nah. So this creature was around tall buildings, but it wasn't the size of the Empire State Building. The Empire State Building ain't a joke. Godzilla's tallest size was 350ft. The Empire State Building is a hundred and fourteen fifty four feet. Cristina: Okay. And what was the tallest dinosaur? Jack: The tallest dinosaur was roughly half the size of Godzilla. With our estimate being that the possible for the largest dinosaur was roughly 122ft. But the largest we've seen that we believe can get to that size at its highest point was 85. So Godzilla will s*** on anything. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Anything. How big was the biggest King Kong? Cristina: I still don't think it's gonna compete. Jack: King Kong stands at approximately 104ft. Cristina: That's kind of whack. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: I don't understand. Jack: Biggest Godzilla is three and a half times bigger. Cristina: Yeah. That's ridiculous. Jack: Yeah. He would stop this. Cristina: He's huge and he's got powers. Who is. Who is fighting Japan if this was Japan's creature? Jack: I don't know. Cristina: That's why it has. It can't be. Jack: No. That's why we made so many investments. That's why we made so many. We're compensating. Cristina: I think Godzilla is our creature. And whenever we're not happy with Japan, we release it on Japan. Jack: Oh, s***. Maybe there wasn't a nuke. Maybe we were testing, ended up with this thing and sent that out. Cristina: Yes. And that's why they fear us and it. Because it. It's the same thing. It's us. We are their nightmare. We are Godzilla. Jack: Interesting point. So then the question is, when was the first Godzilla movie and when do we drop the bomb? Cristina: Oh, I bet that the bomb came first. I'm betting I'm betting. Jack: You think the. The bombs hit first? Cristina: Yes. If not, then at least when we started testing had to come first. Jack: Okay. Okay. We found something strange here. The first Godzilla movie. Go, Jira. Literally, the name, how you're supposed to say it, it's like in quotation marks here. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Came out on November 3, 1954. Cristina: What are you saying? Like, it happened a day later or something. Jack: Hiroshima. Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Jack: Was dropped on August 6, 1945. That was 10 years before the 11 years earlier. No, nine years back. That's nine years back. So the bombs got dropped first? Cristina: Yes. And then shortly after they make a movie. Jack: Shortly after they make a movie. Cristina: Yeah, yeah. Jack: And the area was supposed to be radiated for really exaggeratedly long time. That's wrong, though. So now it's common knowledge that, no, it's gonna be livable eventually. Cristina: So you're questioning if it was actually what we said it was? Jack: Yeah. Was Godzilla really released into. Cristina: Yes. What? I don't know. Jack: You think that'd be crazy? Cristina: No. Jack: What if we really. What if? Cristina: Really? Jack: What happened is the United States released Godzilla as a warning. But then the question is, how far apart were these? No, they were three days apart. Cristina: What was three days apart? Jack: Hiroshima. We dropped the bomb on August 6, 1945, and just erased that in Nagasaki was August 9 where we dropped it. This was three days later. There is only one possibility. If what you're talking about is the case, we have more than one. And that's why there are different sizes. The fat quote, Fat man bomb was the big one. Because the first one we let go was called the Little Boy. And the little boy could just be the small 00:30:00 Jack: Godzilla. Cristina: Yeah. And because these maybe are scientific experiments, like, maybe once they do their damage, they die. Like, maybe not leave them. They don't actually live, though. Jack: Oh, like they're gonna be. Like, they're gonna die quickly. Cristina: Yeah, they die quickly. Because they're not really. They're. They're radiated. They're. They're. They're animals, but they're not. Like, why would a radiated animal and all these stories, they stay alive and healthy and everything. Like, that's not true. They die immediately. Wouldn't they? Jack: All the other creatures. Cristina: Any creature. Jack: You mean the Godzilla? Cristina: Yes, the Godzilla. Like, any radiator. Jack: How did we get it to that size if it's gonna die quickly? It would have died long before it. Cristina: Reached that size because we hadn't had it woken up. Maybe. Maybe. Jack: We're finding these creatures, right? We're trapped. We're capturing them. Or we're making them. Did we make Godzilla? No, because we found them. We found them. This is a fact. We found these creatures. Cristina: Yes, but maybe we found their eggs and then we still have. Jack: They still have to grow naturally. Right. Because it's. We've established some creatures, a dinosaur. Cristina: Okay. Maybe they just diabetely out of their environment, Their natural environment. Jack: But they'll be right next to the water. Isn't it from the water that we're getting them? Cristina: No. From somewhere super duper radiated. Jack: No, because they're just. Unless we found somewhere naturally radiated on the planet. Cristina: Yeah, maybe because it's an ancient creature that happens to go into a radiated area that creates the Godzilla. Jack: So the argument is there's a lizard that hangs out in a raid. There's a spot naturally on earth that's always radiated. Cristina: Yes. Or that we turned it into radiated and just. Jack: No, these are dinosaurs. Cristina: These are dinosaurs. Jack: These are dinosaurs. We've established that. That the government had nothing to do with it. Cristina: No. Yes. Jack: So we must be finding these. Cristina: Yes. Jack: There must be somewhere on earth that's naturally radiated. Cristina: Okay, yeah, maybe. Jack: Or are we just finding dinosaurs? There's some kind of unique nessie like creature, basically. Right. But why can it shoot a beam from its mouth? We gotta justify that. That's the radiation we had justified size. I guess more ancient dinosaurs than the dinosaurs were used. So that's really what's happening. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And because of that it was de down. And because of that, like it hibernates deeper down in the planet. Cristina: But we can hear it through Russia because they have that giant hole in the ground that makes really spooky sounds. Maybe it's just the dinosaurs. Jack: Maybe they don't sleep underground. Cristina: What? Jack: Maybe they sleep and live underground. And this is one of many. And they're always down there. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And what we hear through the hole. Cristina: Is that they're just. They live down there and it's radiated. Jack: And then we find. No, they don't even have to be radiated. The size, it just works different down there. Cristina: Okay. It's not radiation. Jack: Yeah. But they. They live around lava and immense pressure. Cristina: So maybe where does the beams come from? Jack: I don't know. I don't know. Maybe it's kind of like they're doing something through the. They learn, they evolve naturally. Being able to do a combination of something with air the way that that crab underwater does that make a small explosion. Cristina: Seriously, it's just. It's. There's some scientific reason. Jack: Scientific reason why it can shoot out lasers. Yeah. If we think about like a way to first create an air funnel. Maybe you have some sort of internal system that works like gills but for oxygen. So that you can open and suck in air from one side as you're simultaneously pumping the air out through a more narrow air. Cristina: So radiation has nothing to do with it? No, that's just the story Japan believes because of what we said we were doing. Yes, they put the scientific experiment to it. That's part of the story because that's the story they were told. But we're just lying. Jack: Or you're right and it is radiation. But then it happened by accident. Yes, and. But no, it wouldn't make sense. How did this creature so immediately after. Cristina: They'Re attacking die? Jack: I mean there's a ten year period. Well, we'll say the nine year period. We'll say a movie started being made a year after the events at earliest and the movie got put out a year later. So two year gap. So two years before it would have had to happen. So there would have been only seven years for that lizard to go from as small as it was to as big as it was. It wouldn't happen. The only way would be if this thing was growing for infinities. Cristina: Yes, it already has to be that big. Jack: It already had to be that big for many, many, many, many year. Hundreds of years maybe. Cristina: So they found it. They found it 00:35:00 Cristina: and then it died. Jack: Yeah. So it's from the center of the earth. It comes out here and whatever trick it could do. But again. Okay, wait, we're trying to figure out this trick. Right? So it has some gill like system. It should in theory be able to open some thing to pull in air and have a different where it's shooting the fire from. Should have some kind of like narrower airway so that if you're pulling in twice the amount of air then you have some sort of a pump and you could shoot out the air continuously. Then that's solid. You could. Cristina: You somehow makes lasers. The air turns and say lasers. Jack: Well, the laser wouldn't exactly be a laser. Maybe that's just a weird depiction and it's not like a lightsaber. Maybe it's more like fire. Cristina: Okay. Like a dragon. Jack: Like a dragon. And so it's breathing this in and kind of like a venomous snake that can spit out this kind of thing onto you or something like that. Maybe. Cristina: Why wasn't Godzilla just a story about a dragon? Because we have so many dragon stories. Why wasn't this just a different dragon story? Jack: Maybe the Japanese don't Have fire breathing dragons? Maybe we have fire breathing dragons. Maybe that's a western thing. Cristina: Japan, I mean, China didn't have dragon that breath fire. Jack: I don't know. I have no idea. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Why you think it was What? Cristina: I don't know. Because like, wouldn't they just say it's a dragon that's attacking us and not some scientific experiment attacking us? Jack: Well, they think it happened after the bombs. Here would be the theory. Right. Grounding this a little farther. We dropped the bombs. Cristina: I thought they were the bombs that we dropped. Jack: Well, this is me adjusting. Okay, we dropped the bombs. No, they have to be the bombs. Yeah, but assuming I'm wrong, we dropped the bombs and the bomb woke the thing up. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It's the only time we've ever dropped these bombs. Ever. It's the only time nukes have been used on these areas that aren't just abandoned islands in the middle of nowhere, deserts that are uninhabited. We're dropping it where there's people and foliage. Cristina: I woke this ancient dinosaur up, and. Jack: It woke this ancient dinosaur up. Cristina: Okay. Jack: That could be why they, like, the bombs dropped. Then the thing happened. So that the. The whole story about the bombs. I bet Godzilla did not attack either one of those two places. What place in Japan did Godzilla attack? Tokyo. Cristina: Tokyo. Okay, that's random. Jack: I guess because it was like a real super mega area. We were just attacking normal civilian areas that had a base, I guess for control, it was military related, trying to calm them down or whatever the h*** we were trying to do. Tokyo? Yeah. So that takes place in Tokyo. So that's a possibility. One of two scenarios explains the attack of Godzilla on Tokyo. Either we dropped two bombs and woke something up. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Or these bombs were the lizards and they wandered off. Cristina: That could also be it. That means. Yeah, I don't know. Because like if we did wake up a lizard up, there was just one lizard. Jack: Maybe not. Maybe there was a bunch of lizards. Or maybe we knocked something down underground that allowed one of these already existing creatures from underneath. But we can go back to the original concept that they. That we, the United States, found a way to go down there and get these creatures that have always been down there. Because we do hear something when we hear down. No matter what, these creatures are underground. How we acquired them is now the question. We found out where they are. Cristina: They're underground. Jack: They're underground. Did they originally pop up in Japan? Or did we go get them probably through that hole in Russia, and then keep them? But how do we transport the biggest one? Cristina: Yes. Jack: Problem. We should have a base where we're finding them. Cristina: Alaska. Jack: Alaska is probably a really good place. There's a bunch of rural places out here. 51. 100. Yeah. Cristina: Area 51. Jack: Yeah. Just holes that go deep. And we just have access to pulling these things up and keeping them around the hole so we can throw them right back down if we don't need it. How are we going to dispose of this s***? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: You know, because we tried. Maybe we tried to dispose of some that went wrong. And that's why we have stories of some coming out of the water. Cristina: Okay. You know, 00:40:00 Cristina: and then still, like, any alien story could be pointed to this creature because it could be more than one creature that's down there. Like, they don't all have to look the same. Jack: Yeah. What are they eating if they all look the same? Cristina: Yeah. So, like, if they're like. If they're dinosaur like, I guess, which is very lizard like, so very alien like. Jack: Yeah. And it's definitely. There's lava if they go deep enough. But I don't think they're so deep. I think they're just deep enough that they don't normally get to us or ever. And water must be down there, too. They're ocean levels. Deep, deeper. Slightly deeper. They're slightly deeper. They're in the gaps of air underneath the ocean. And then we found ways. And we tell people, the normal civilians don't have access to the technology that can take us so deep to withstand that level of pressure. But the government's never going to tell us that it does. And it can easily get down there and it can access these creatures and get to them. Cristina: And then what? Just attack countries with them? Jack: But then this. Yeah. Like you said, one country has King Kong, one country has Godzilla. One country has this thing. One country has that thing. One country found it, used it. Other countries found out about it and figured out how to get more. So chances are we have maybe different countries have different size Godzillas. I got a really old Godzilla that's the size of this. Cristina: Okay. All those different ideas. Jack: I got a really huge moth. Cristina: Huge moth is Russian thing that they attack us with. Jack: Yeah. You know, anybody can have anything and they could be getting it from the same place. You just gotta have the technology to go get it and the ability to. Cristina: Restrain it, which I don't know if anyone does have that, though. I don't know. Jack: Then how do we stop the ones that were. We. We. Cristina: I think you can still kill them. I think killing them isn't like a hard thing to do. It's just like hiding the body and then making up stories to what actually happened. Jack: So you have to be able to control it. You can't just kill it. You got to kill it in the water. Cristina: Yeah. You have to kill it in a way that hide. Like, you gotta. You still have to, like. Jack: Fair enough. So then perhaps still like every alien. Cristina: Story where the government came by, asked a bunch of questions, told a lie about what actually happened, and like, I have a theory. Yeah. What? Jack: Maybe it was one. Cristina: Was one what? Jack: The first one caused small destruction as compared to the second one, the one that caused great destruction. They were both powerful. But what if the first one was Godzilla doing it? Little boy was Godzilla. Cristina: And the second one was to kill Godzilla. Jack: Was the. Kill Godzilla. The bomb. Cristina: Okay. Jack: What Godzilla was doing. We're testing it. We're seeing if Godzilla works. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And then it kept wandering, and we're like, how do we control it? Okay, here we go. Well, it worked. Gone. No proof. Cristina: Mmm. Jack: Two part system. It'll keep destroying more than a nuke can if you just let it keep going. Yes, they tested that on the first one. It'll do. Nuke levels of destruction. And until we decide to stop it, it'll keep going. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Can we stop it? Well, let's find out. Here we go. Boom. Cristina: Okay. Yeah. They have to get rid of it. Jack: They have to get rid of it. Maybe the government has the ability to drop things like this at random. Cristina: Crazy. And it's all the governments. Jack: Then many, many, many governments have the ability to drop some colossal creature onto other governments, onto other countries. Cristina: Yeah, to just attack. Jack: Or maybe not. Maybe it's just a few. Depends who has stories of disability. We're the only people who are like, oh, no, we can't. We control it. It's our thing. We call on that show, we want it. Of course we use it. In the middle of the ocean, nowhere, where nobody knows where the h*** people are. Like, oh, how did the Americans shoot down that boat all the way over there? And it's like, we don't need to. Cristina: Know, but we're still. We're still lying about what it's happening. Jack: Yeah, I bet. If we can't control it. No, man, that's a question, right? How do we. We don't have mind control. We're still trying to figure it out. Yeah, if we could control something that big, we'd be controlling humans long since. Cristina: But there's no way we can. Jack: There's no way we can. So we're not using it casually. That has to be Wrong. We're definitely lying about what happened. But I'm pretty sure we dropped a thing that caused nuke sized damage. Cristina: And then we used the nuke. Jack: And we used the 00:45:00 Jack: nuke to see if that could stop it. Now there's no proof that it ever existed. It's gone. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Evaporated the bones into nothing. Cristina: That could be it. Huh? Jack: Simple. Although I think bones would survive a nuke. They would just be crispy. I have no idea. Maybe if you're close enough, you get disintegrated into powder. Cristina: But like, even if you find the bones, am I still dinosaur bones? I don't know. Jack: Yeah, and that's why the wood. That's my point. Like, it would have to be at a point that it gets incinerated, Right? That's the only way that you have zero. Cristina: Zero proof. Jack: Zero proof. Okay. No, the bones would totally disappear. Cristina: So. Jack: Interesting. If this says the bones of a person would disappear, then the question is to go directly and do the size. How big would a bone have to. Cristina: Be to not disappear? Jack: To not disappear. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Okay. All right. So let's do some breakdowns here. Humans would get eviscerated into nothingness and cease to exist. See, even their bones, which are our thickest, densest part, Godzilla's bones. To scale appropriately to its size, maintain its weight, and be logical according to how gravity and whatnot works, it would be about 20 times thicker than a human bones. Cristina: It's pretty thick. Jack: Yes. Even then, at ground zero, it would be so obliterated into nothingness, vaporize into beyond dust, that there would be no evidence it ever existed. Well, a nuke would erase the existence of such a creature at ground zero impact, you make it the target. Boom. Gone. There's no evidence it ever existed. Cristina: So we could have released Godzilla onto Japan and then murdered the Godzilla that we made? Jack: Yes. We didn't make Godzilla. Cristina: Oh yeah, we freed Godzilla, released Godzilla out to Japan, then killed it. Then they made a movie about it. Jack: Yes. Yes. The argument would be that we dropped a Godzilla on Hiroshima on August 9, 1945. And three days later, in Nagasaki in August 9 on 1945, we dropped a nuke to get rid of it, testing our entire scenario. And it worked. And nobody has f***** with us since? Cristina: I guess so. Except everyone keeps making bombs. Jack: Yes. Because they know how to stop it. Cristina: Yes, I guess so. Because they saw that we were able to stop it. Jack: Interesting. Fascinating. Cristina: So all of those bombs are not Nobody's using? Jack: Nope, nobody's Just a single one. Cristina: And also, it's just too Many. Why would you need that? More than one. They're probably country. Jack: Yeah. These are probably controlled nukes to create small blast areas with the same intense energy in the small area. So if you have a lot, you're not causing widespread destruction. Nobody has shot a nuke at anybody anymore. We're waiting. Cristina: For what? For these monsters pop up. Jack: Yes. And we're efficientizing them. We're always making it more efficient. Knowing somebody might have one of these. Cristina: Things, someone might release one. That's the real danger. Jack: Interesting. Cristina: Whoa. That's so crazy. Because we have the most nukes, but we're the one with the obvious amount of creatures. Most likely, too. Jack: Well, we're not. Cristina: I think we are. Jack: We have so many. Oh, so we're just like you guys. Couldn't release one on us for any reason. We'll drop a nuke instantly. Cristina: I think we also are protecting ourselves from our own monsters. Jack: Our monsters. Their release of their monsters on us. Well, now, here's something interesting. We would be screwed in an attack. Because we're thinking a couple of episodes ago, we're doing where would we get attacked through, right? And like, if. What would we do in a scenario like that? We didn't consider something like this. But if something like this were to happen, the most likely location to drop it off would be in the ocean and let it come to us. So they don't have to put themselves in danger. So they would just get close, but they wouldn't hover over our airspace. We drop it in the ocean near us, and it would find land in our direction. Coasts would be f***** up. The coasts are the way in for whatever creatures dropped in the water near us and for land. Cristina: But why are we dropping creatures in the water? Jack: War. What if we're invading the United States? Cristina: We, The United States? Jack: No, like, people. Humans. Oh, humans are invading the United 00:50:00 Jack: States. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: So Russia is like, yeah, let's attack. What if that's what's happening near Alaska right now? And they're hanging out by the water. Cristina: So that we could throw our monster in the water? I don't know. Jack: They've got their monster. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: There's ships and planes. They're surveying our area consistently. They've probably got their creature underwater in some giant cage, and it's probably imprisoned, tied up in some way, and they're just planning and testing to release it. And they could just release it and leave. They don't have to do anything. One day they just leave. A couple of hours later. A couple of days later, something starts attacking Alaska. Cristina: Okay. Jack: I don't know how Canada is going to protect itself, but I guess Canada would be screwed here too. Cristina: They got their own monsters, Hopefully. Jack: They got their own monsters. Hopefully. Unless the point is that Canada doesn't have a way to defend itself. And the only way would be for us to start nuking Canada to kill the creature. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: Which would create an interesting problem. Would we do it? Cristina: I guess that's why we got so much nukes. Jack: I think maybe that's also why our least defended area is the only access point. Because the least amount of people are around the Alaskan area. It's a transport point, but there are the least amount of people in Alaska. If we had to drop a nuke, it would be an easier decision than if it came up through New York City. Cristina: Okay, you get my point? Yeah. Jack: So we make that the easiest attack point, and that's the only likely placer probably to go. Because then we would just start bombing them or dropping our own creatures on them. So then they have to release it over there so that by the time it gets to the water, I mean, it gets to land, starts destroying things locally, we have enough time to react and attack it before it leaves Alaska. And we never have to catch Canada with our nukes. Maybe that's strategic. Cristina: Weird. Jack: But yes, would make sense and would keep the rest of the United States safe. Over. Militarize. All of it. Agree with Canada. We're going to keep that land mass up there and we're going to make it the least defended. You defend your borders like a. But we can nuke that. If they ever drop a creature. Cristina: Do we have creatures on every border then? Jack: Like, we don't. We don't know. We just know they might be dropping a creature on us and that's why they're hovering over there. Cristina: But they are not in Mexico just getting ready to attack us. Jack: Interesting. You think? I mean, that would make sense. Then that would actually explain the wall a little better. Cristina: Yeah, maybe. Jack: Maybe the wall's point was to stop these creatures. Because the creature might not just be destroying for no reason. It's gonna avoid crap. Cristina: Mm. Jack: It's a creature. If you're not controlling it, that's just doing random s***. You build the wall, it might not even try to go over. It might turn away and go somewhere else. Cristina: Interesting. You know, just then, if we're thinking about that, like, maybe all the walls, but then, like, China has walls. Jack: China has walls. They've been doing it since whatever century. Cristina: We know them because the dragons. So like who had the dragons that was attacking China that they decided, let's build some walls, dude. Jack: Even this really ancient place we were researching, the Indian place, Dwarf or whatever from 9,000 BC, had giant double layered walls surrounding them in the water too. Cristina: And it wasn't even just the land that they were protecting. Even the waterside, man. Jack: You know what's crazy, dude? We've also seen many people were f****** with Camaras. The text said so much about chimeras. Cristina: I don't know because I thought these were natural creatures. But then if you start talking about chimeras. That's not natural. Jack: That's not natural. Unless it's creatures we're seeing now are the creatures from back then that they were f****** with. And that's why it would have these abilities. It would be a creature that is some over like leftover relic, ancient scientific experiment. It's not us like our experiment. It had to get to think about the two problems we were trying to solve earlier. How does it have these abilities? Well, we had to make it. How is it its size? No, I had to age to that point. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Solution. It was made and it aged to that point. What does that tell us? It had to be made long ago. Cristina: Okay, One of these ancient civilizations. Jack: And maybe there's a bunch of. Maybe they're everywhere. Some civilizations go underground. Some civilizations can move things to other planets. Maybe us in current day looking at the moon, saw some s*** we shouldn't have because we know there's theories about the other side of the moon, the dark side of 00:55:00 Jack: the moon, which isn't dark because it gets light, but we don't see it. And like, maybe there's something out there. Maybe that's the reason China wanted the return to that side of the moon. Maybe what we saw was like, oh, crap, we don't want to wake that thing up. Or we saw civilization that was like, you guys don't talk about seeing space because they got their creature, whatever the crap might be. Maybe there's creatures like that everywhere, everywhere. And we're just finding them. Some civilizations went extinct. Cristina: So all these fairy tale like creatures that are monsters are not really monsters at all. But then would we put like you said, the Loch Ness monster, And then there's vampires, werewolves, all those other creatures. The Ninja Turtles. No, whatever. Chupacabra. They're like all just ancient experiments. Jack: No, not all ancient experiments, but they're all scientifically explainable. Just like adrenochrome could be scientifically explained to some degree. We don't know what causes all these different things. But I think. I think none of it is magic. And I think we do have maybe current day proof of weird s***. Things we have seen that more than one individual has seen. And there's some kind of proof, whether it be current day photos and things that aren't considered fiction. Nessie's a weird one. Some ancient other kind of creature that. No, it has to be from the past. Everybody assumes has to be. Scientists are like whatever creatures is. Resembles this thing from way long ago. Except it would have had to be even longer ago. Then Dwarka and then the Elysians. It had to be from like Elio's time. Cristina: Okay, Elio. Was he around dinosaurs? Jack: Am I saying that wrong? What the h*** was his name? Loi. Cristina: Loi. Jack: Loi. It could have been from like Loi's time, but still, that's. No, it had to be from millions of years ago. That's a problem. So it would have still even outdated. Loi. No, if 3 million years ago isn't. It still has to be like 150 million years ago. 3 million isn't that long ago compared to a creature that Nessie looks like. So maybe there's crap so long ago has nothing to do with any of those people. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Technology so ancient, that's crazy. Cristina: If it's still technology evolved, I guess. Jack: It would have continued to evolve, you. Cristina: Know, But I don't know. I don't know. Jack: It could have. So somehow. Somehow science was involved in the making of this thing. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Because still. How are you f****** doing it, then? Cristina: Again. Jack: Again, physiologically. I tried to explain it physiologically. Those creatures to shoot things. We know crabs can make explosions into grounds. Really specific ones. Or. I think it's a shrimp or something. And so that's. Some creatures have superpower. Like things spit acid out or whatever. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And. Or some, you know, throw smoke out or whatever ink out. If you can do some kind of air pressure thing where you suck in twice the amount that you push out, then you can push out through a smaller airway, creating more of a pressure. Because more air through a smaller airway goes faster. You get some range. And if you can have some kind of ignition and put into that air that's moving through some kind of flammable air you throw in, there's gas, some flammable gas you throw into the air that you're pushing out, then you can create some kind of flamethrower like thing. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And if it shoots out with enough pressure, the closer to your mouth it is, the more like A laser beam it would be. And the further away, the more like regular, you know, it's less pressure. Farther off, it's more like fire far. So maybe you can get a nice stream that looks like a beam. If your size is big enough from our eyes. If you shot a fire beam and it was the length of like 30 buildings at the peak of your mouth, it's gonna look like a straight out beam, not like a fire blast. Right. Because you're shooting. Because it's closer to whatever spot you're shooting it from. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It's gonna be closer to the shape of the airway you're pushing the air through. Took it look like a beam. There could be explanations all this weird. So what's our landed conclusion? That there's creatures at the center of the earth that have aged for who knows how long. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Countries have found them, some countries have captured them. And likely evidence of this is that Hiroshima had something called the little boy dropped off that we think is a nuke. But it might have been Godzilla and it created nuclear sized destruction. And that three days later after it strolled off, we threw an actual nuke called Fat man to evaporate Godzilla and see if that could work. And it did. And ever since there has been prepared. Everybody's been preparing, Everybody's been making bombs, everybody's been 01:00:00 Jack: making nukes everywhere. All at the same time, just in case, just for the day. Cristina: That makes sense. Jack: And when people are cryptic instead of just saying nukes. So just saying I'll bomb you. When somebody like the North Korean leader is like, I got a present for you. And he says that to Trump, what he's talking about is, you know, you saw the creature. I show you my creature. I got that for you. Cristina: That's weird. Jack: And leaders know, but people don't. Cristina: Leaders are showing each other their creature. Interesting. Because they don't have to show anyone. But they could. Jack: They could, they could, they could. And people aren't gonna talk. Cristina: Yeah. Weird. Okay. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Trump knows about him. Jack: Maybe a bunch. No, Trump would immediately talk. I think Trump wouldn't be able to hold it. I think he would just tell the world in excitement. Cristina: So you don't think he was told yet? Jack: I don't know. Maybe he was. Maybe what we see and what he is are two different things. Who knows? Anyways, we have solved the possibility. So what's the consensus? Is Godzilla real? I, I only if the government has to show us everything because they're doing some cahoots. Cristina: That's the whole point. Yes. The government is just Showing us things that are real. Jack: Yeah. So if that's the case, then Godzilla is real. Yes, because they have to show us everything. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And then that would explain the proof behind Godzilla being real. Cristina: Because the government showed it to us. Jack: The government showed it to us because. Cristina: Obviously they run Hollywood. Jack: Yes. And history shows that, yes, there was definitely some bombs dropped and people saw a lizard in Tokyo. You know, so we got bombs, we got movies, we got evidence everywhere that something happened that they're not telling us. Cristina: But they are telling us just through movies. Okay. Yep. Jack: And the correct story is In August 6, 1945, Godzilla was released on Hiroshima. Godzilla wandered the island past Tokyo and got to Nagasaki, where he was finally nuked. Cristina: Yes. That is the story. The unofficial true story. Jack: That is the unofficial true story of Godzilla. Okay. I'm glad you guys made it with us through this to discover what really happened here. This was important. Cristina: It was. Jack: We've established details that matter to the people of Earth, and now we know true military capabilities of a lot of countries. It's way worse than a nuke. You wouldn't think so, but if you don't have to keep firing and you can just release a thing that could only be killed if you nuke your own people. Cristina: Yeah, that's pretty crazy. Jack: Yeah, that goes hard. Cristina: That goes hard. Jack: It's just gonna keep destroying until you nuke it. Guys, you got to nuke your own people. Enjoy. Explain that to your civilians later. Cristina: Yep. It's. It's. It's what's happening. Jack: It's what's happening. Cristina: It happened. Jack: Fire. That's crazy. That's such a solid military tactic. I guess that's why bioweapons are really overpowered. You want people to have to attack their own people. That's winning a war. Cristina: That is insane. Jack: That's. Yeah, you won. If you gotta start attacking your own people, whoever did that to you, they won. That's fire. They don't have to worry about themselves anymore. You're too distracted dealing with you crazy. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Bioweapons. Resident Evil had the right idea. Cristina: Again, bioweapons. Jack: The way to go. Anyways, if you guys think that we missed something important here that should have happened as a natural development of Godzilla or some other proof that maybe exists. Cristina: In the world 100% right that we're right. Jack: If you can help us justify this, let us know. Reach out to us. You could do that on our socials, at just convo pod, on Tik Tok, Instagram, on X, and on Facebook, wherever. Just type our name. Cristina: You'll find everywhere. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Remember to subscribe. Right. And review the show. Jack: Yes. And word of mouth is really overpowered. Tell everybody about the program and the fact that we have absolutely given. Given you nothing but solid fact and proof that Godzilla was real and a timeline that you could throw in people's faces and show them, look, this is proof. And when they're like, you're using a weird kind of confirmation bias, looking for evidence to prove your argument instead of disprove it, you tell them what is proof of your beliefs. And they're going to be like, good point. But you're being absurd. And you're going to say, I can back these thoughts up with science. Can you? And that argument is gonna win. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Because they're gonna 01:05:00 Jack: be like, I can't. Even if they know inherently, it might make more sense. In your total argument, you've used nothing but science. Even if applying it only where. Only where very convenient. And ignoring the areas that would make it unconvenient, you'd be the only one in the conversation with science. Cristina: Ridiculous. Okay. This has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Jack: Bye. Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. 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October 05, 2024

Rambling 292: The Lost City of Dwarka

October 05, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

What is the ancient city of Dwarka? What is known of it? What is it no longer around? The duo comb through what is known of a lost ancient city found beneath the ocean by researchers. From its structures to its technology and its ultimate downfall, no stone is left unturned. What is discovered adds a new layer to what we know about ancient civilizations.

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Ancient City
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Historical Records
Solar Energy
Flood Prevention
Mysterious War

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is a show where we ground humanity's most baffling and absurd ideas. Or is it absurd and baffling ideas? One of those two something there, right?

Cristina: Baffling, absurd ideas.

Jack: Like how world's most absurd and baffling ideas. No, it's actually that order. At least we usually do most absurd and baffling ideas, not baffling and absurd. Although it doesn't really matter. No, because they're both baffling. Like, wow, how jarring and absurd. Like, this is crazy.

Cristina: This is crazy.

Jack: Yeah, for the most part, it's very crazy. Anyways, we have, as of late, been kind of diving in and out, looking at random crap, and that has been connecting dots for us by looking in different directions and random crap associates back to all the previous crap. Because everything in the universe seems to be one giant megastructure. All lines connect.

Cristina: Yes. It's just hard connecting them. But like, with enough information.

Jack: Yeah, with enough information, all the dots eventually come together. But I've been looking around and I found something interesting that, weirdly enough, has not come up before, although could be very relevant, actually is really relevant. I made sure it was relevant.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So apparently there isn't just the Persian Gulf oasis that is underwater and abandoned, but rather other locations that similarly exist underwater abandoned. We've seen, you know, trails, but it's usually associated with the Elysians.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like if we look at the path in Bimini going straight down to the Atlantic Ocean in the direction of the suspected location of their current home, and the sculptures and statues and things in that direction, they kind of just line up with the Elysians.

Cristina: Yeah, like the lion statues and stuff.

Jack: Yes. And pyramids down there and all the usual kind of crap. Right. Now, interesting enough looking in other locations and kind of combing through random data, I've come across a couple of other places that fit these suits but aren't related to the Elysians. Not directly. Not that the Elysians built it. They related to the Elysians in a different kind of way. Which we'll get to.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so I did some deep dives, I read some books, I looked through some articles and some research papers, and I've put together some of the information on one of these locations. We're going to go through all of these locations eventually.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But one of these locations stuck out to me very, very specifically. And hopefully when we go to the other ones, this will enlighten them. The place we're going to be talking about is called Dwarka.

Cristina: Where's Dwarka?

Jack: Dwarka is a sunken city off the coast of India.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay, so there's a bunch of cities underwater. That's what you're saying?

Jack: There's a bunch of cities underwater. Wow. Now, Dwarka is first mentioned in some scripture related to some of those we know now are fairies. But yeah, related to scripture.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And the Indians have all the scriptures about these deities that turn out to just be part of the fairy cluster. But we do have some other mentions starting all the way in the year 300 BC. Now, I went through all of this, but there were a group of people who were already putting this information together. And so I went through their collective works that kind of unpacked all of these other works that exist throughout history and time. So we're going to be looking at some specific texts, some research papers and some collections.

Cristina: What's the name of the place?

Jack: Dwarka. Now, the things we'll be looking at are the Lost City of Dwarka by S.R. rowe. Marine archaeology of the Indian Ocean Countries, edited by S.R. rowe. Excavations of Dwarka by H.D. sankalia. The Archaeology of Bet Dwarka by A.S. ghaur and Sundarash. And Archaeological Survey of India Reports, which is a collection by various individuals and they all use research with sonar, deep dives, they have excavations happening down there. They have a bunch of random all. All the different crap you can imagine on top of all the different mentions of text that existed and both public records that existed in the past and of scripture that has been written relative to this place. So all of the above is in these. And so I went through their works and as I was going through their works, I was cross referencing by going and looking at the original thing that they're talking about to make sure they're not putting their own twist on things. But I use these as a guide ultimately.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now, there's a lot going on here. And I'll tell you what is included inside of these texts so you have some idea of how we know the things we know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Within all of the research, we have archaeological findings, we have marine exploration data, we have underwater scans, we have, which also includes like sub bottom profiling and scans of below water level. That's basically what that is. We're getting scans of what's directly over the and scan. Not over the water, over the ground, underneath the water. And then scans of what's beneath the ground.

Cristina: Beneath the ground?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There will be diving expedition reports, artifact documentations which include stone anchors, pottery and actual structures that have been seen, located and scanned. Carbon dating maps of the city and layout reconstructions.

Cristina: Cool.

Jack: Based on old texts, geological and environmental studies, comparative studies with other ancient cities, cultural and trade connections to the region, non religious historical records and interpretations of religious records, and scholarly analysis of the scripture and inscriptions for historical correlation.

Cristina: Deep dive crazy. That's mad info on this city.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. People have been trying to figure it out. If we use all of that data and what we personally know, that is not considered part of the canon narrative because you got to cross reference such a plethora of data, you're going to see how this starts to form into a very cohesive image. So let's begin. Now, basically, this was described as one of the most advanced cities to have ever existed. And we know like, that's a huge statement considering the Egyptians existed, the Greek existed, the Mayans existed.

Cristina: And how old is this supposed to be? As old as those or older.

Jack: So weirdly enough, we know that the Egyptian and the Mayan are no older than 6000 BCE. They were given things provided by the Elysians in order to catch up in the first place.

Cristina: Around the same time around.

Jack: Well, no, I believe it was first the Egyptians and then the Mayans much later. But this city is actually 9,000 BCE, which gets way close to the first mention of Jehovah ever. 12,000 BCE. Fascinating. Yeah. This is older than Maya and Egypt and actually even older than Greece.

Cristina: That's crazy. That is old.

Jack: And claiming to be one of the most advanced cities ever. Now this is obviously without the. The knowing of these other locations, how would they know? They could totally have just been. It's the most advanced at this point. And then later these mega cities arrive. So by reference point, they wouldn't have known. And it could have been without knowing about the Aletians, they could have definitely 100% been the most advanced. And then later more advanced civilizations came to be. This is located on the western coast of India, near modern day Gujarat. Gujarat. And this emerged in the Gulf of Combat, which is close to the present day city of Dwarka, which is a city of the same name. There's a currently Dwarka.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And there's this ancient Dwarka that's underwater. That's underwater. And again, constructed about 9,000 BCE older than that, roughly According to archaeological evidence.

Cristina: Was it always underwater though? Like does. Did something happen that put it underwater or something?

Jack: Put it underwater? Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It was not always underwater. Now we're just gonna break down how advanced the city was. For the most part, we're gonna talk about the details of the city and just kind of inform people on what the city kind of was like. Now keep in mind everything that's being cross referenced to prove this. So first of all, the city had a grid type of layout. So it has a grid layout and text described that this had wide roads, structured grid system, advanced urban planning, and was efficiently distributed to kind of look like a modern day city. Now this is proved by sonar scans that we can see collections of structures together with gaps in the middle that if you were to map it out, would essentially just be roads, streets, straight shot streets, because collections of structures would be to either side and then emptiness straight down the middle and Sounds pretty.

Cristina: Advanced for the past. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: And it would have, you know, would like create blocks. Basically it would just create city style blocks in a like literal grid. Squares. It's just squares. So in theory, you could just walk around a block and you moved a square and in the block itself, many different types of structures of different sizes, of different widths, of different heights. Interesting design. According to texts, there are zoned districts. So the city was divided into sections for residential, commercial, governmental use, suggesting highly organized zoning, which could be supported by the fact that we do see the city blocks. Additionally, in the scans, you also see collections of different sizes of buildings. So there'll be many small structures in this area all together, rather than one really small, one really big one. You know, it'll be a lot of really small ones and then over there a lot of really big ones. That's kind of showing that there was at least correlation between the structures. Maybe this was residential and houses, or maybe those buildings were where they lived and these were all government buildings that were the smaller ones.

Cristina: Okay, yeah.

Jack: So there was a distribution according to size and width, which could support the idea of zones, allowing for things to work. There was also in the very center of the town, what appears to be a sort of. How do I explain all the roads ultimately lead to a circular center, which could be the market, based on everything else leading in that direction, which happens to be next to one of the oddest shapes. Not oddest shapes, but oddest collection of buildings that don't kind of match anything on the outskirts, which would assume residents lived on the outskirts and towards the center was the market. And the government things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: As well as possible recreational areas, they had multiple gates and entrances to the city.

Cristina: There's a lot there, like, that's still there too. The gates, like, how much can they actually see from the scans? Or this is part of the.

Jack: All of the above. Okay.

Cristina: Just combining all the information.

Jack: This is combining all the information. I'm not going to break down what was what in crazy detail because we would never make it through this. But. And where it matters, I'm going to tell you. You don't have to ask about it. I will tell you specifically what we do see when it matters. But strategic gates at different points of entry provided access to the city while enhancing security and traffic flow. So there was ways in and out through different entrances and exits. A comprehensive large scale wall has been caught on sonar. On sonar. Surrounding the entire city. Well, so a quite large wall, the size undefined, but definitely could be easily over 30ft tall, surrounding the entire city. And then the gates are on this like giant wall, allowing for entrances, roads. The empty gaps that we would believe are roads kind of seem to go straight into where the gap in the wall would be, which would suggest that is the gate itself.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So they definitely had the city protected from the outside. Maybe you needed kind of passes to come in and out. Especially if this is such an advanced layout of a city. Everybody else who didn't have the technology was not gonna scale the wall. And these are poor people walking in. Not poor people, but unadvanced people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Coming to this mega, super futuristic, comparatively place. Now, in the text, it suggested that there were grand palaces, so palaces made of gold and precious metals, which would suggest a monumental architectural ability with reinforced designs in the buildings themselves. Now, sonar scans can't actually detect the specific materials the structures were constructed with, but marine archaeological dives near the site have located all the materials mentioned.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: They can't prove any structure was made.

Cristina: Of these materials, but those materials are there.

Jack: All the materials mentioned are there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So at least they had the ability to create the materials. That seems accurate. The idea of having an entire building made of these materials kind of immediately becomes questionable because how would you even source all of these materials in high quantities enough to make your city out of it?

Jack: That's where it kind of gets iffy. And it relies a lot on, well, the tech save. Like that's about as far as we can really honestly prove other than, well, they had the materials. We don't know if the buildings were made out of the materials.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Water management and engineering was fascinating. In this place, they had canals, waterways. And descriptions mentioned that the canals were running through the city potentially for transportation, irrigation and water supply. Fascinating that transportation is one of them, because it's not transportation of water. Water supply is part of it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But the canals were used to navigate through the city as well. A counter to roads.

Cristina: Oh, that's cool.

Jack: Venice, Italy, essentially.

Cristina: Yeah, but they had roads too.

Jack: Yes, they had both. Venice has both. It's not just water, but is it.

Cristina: Mostly water or is it equal parts water and road?

Jack: It's definitely way less water. Navigation, it was way more roads and, like, just a few canals here and there that you could use for navigation.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But it's. It was there, which was an interesting idea to just that they also included this. Now, sonar scans have confirmed this alongside, detecting numerous thinner structures deeper than the canals themselves, and the waterways that scatter in every direction beneath the city. So there's the canals on the surface of the city. And then scans into this through the surface get you to what seems to be smaller structures going in every possible direction, which would suggest localized distribution of water to all structures within the city.

Cristina: That is crazy. That's crazy. Advanced.

Jack: Crazy advanced. Way more advanced than we would think for something 9,000 BC, which is 11,000 years ago.

Cristina: Whoa. How.

Jack: Crazy. So those are likely thin pipes underneath the canals which are delivered in the water. Now, reservoirs are said to be in the city. They're mentioned in all the texts that the city had large reservoirs ensuring a stable water supply, which would indicate advanced hydraulic engineering as well, in order to distribute it. Now, sonar scans can't actually confirm this, although large anomalous shaped gaps within random parts of the city suggest these might have been reservoir. They're just weird gaps on the surface and structures are built around them, and they're not of any specific shape, but they're just holes.

Cristina: So the best guess.

Jack: The best guess would be that those would have been the reservoir. If so, the city might have been selected specifically because of the reservoirs. So they chose this location to build the city because they had had places where they could naturally collect clean water.

Cristina: Nice.

Jack: Now we get into something a little more interesting. The flood prevention systems. This is going to come in very handy later.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah. Now, flood prevention systems are described as protecting Dwarka from floods, suggesting an early form of flood defense, or levees. Right. Scans show some distance far from the city, like away from the city walls themselves. Deeper down, thicker than the city walls. A second set of shorter perimeter walls with connecting canals and unknown structures surrounding them likely Water pumps to drain the water out of the city.

Cristina: That's crazy. What happened.

Jack: This also suggests the possibility of flooding being a real issue they faced. So they built ways to counteract it.

Cristina: But it wasn't enough for whatever happened to them.

Jack: You think that a flood took them out?

Cristina: I don't know. It's hard to imagine what happened to them if they were already prepared based.

Jack: On all the technology we're talking about. Flooding is not what took them out. They have everything in measure. You know, the colossal size of the flood. That would have to catch them off guard with this level of technology.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And even then, they're ready to. If their structures are as strong and hard as they claim. The floods weren't gonna take them out. The floods weren't gonna remove them in any manner, shape, or form, so nothing was gonna happen. You know, go to the top of your buildings, and we'll drain the city.

Cristina: But something happened to them.

Jack: Yeah, I'm gonna get to that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, building materials. Here's where it gets kind of iffy and hard to believe. Golden towers is a claim. Within the texts. Oh, palaces with golden towers were mentioned, possibly indicating advanced metallurgy and material strengthening techniques, which we can find the materials again, but we can't prove what the structures are made out of. It simply can't be proven, and it kind of exists in the text almost exclusively. Acquired materials from archaeological dives does in fact suggest dense reinforced gold. But this is actually. When it comes to gold in particular, it's kind of easy to do this with a lot of primitive techniques. We don't need particularly advanced anything. If we can create heat enough to melt other metals and mix them with. With the gold, that would dodge the need for any kind of advance, anything. Enough heat. You could just throw iron into the gold. You'll dilute the gold a little, but it'll still be gold. Yeah, and it'll be stronger. So it's not the. You don't need rocket science. Now the question is, what kind of reinforcement? None of the ones we found are particularly astounding when it comes to gold. There are many other materials that are astounding that probably shouldn't have existed at that point, but the gold wasn't one of them. So assuming these towers were made of gold. Well, you didn't do anything too impressive. And also, what the h*** would even be the benefit?

Cristina: Yes, you know, this is pretty.

Jack: Yes, it's pretty. But on the flip side, if you're so advanced, then you leave the realm of danger, especially with your walls. Being so defensive. And you land that. Why not make things look beautiful?

Cristina: Put a tower.

Jack: Why not?

Cristina: I guess you're not afraid of your neighbors, but then you have a. I don't know. Well, you're the most advanced as far as you know. As far as you know? Yeah.

Jack: Like, what do you. A couple of people with some sticks and rocks are gonna come and take your metal golden building. How?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Additional materials include crystals and precious stones. Gemstones adorn buildings, which could indicate knowledge of decorative stone working. And again, more reinforced materials. Although can't be proven purely within the texts. No amount of sonar or archaeological dive.

Cristina: Has proven this, so they haven't found any of that.

Jack: Well, we can't prove that the buildings are made with gemstones. Yeah, we'd have to go to that level of depth underneath the ground and look at the building. We'd have to excavate the whole city out of under the water. Under the water's dirt. Oh, we'd have to pull the city out of under the water's dirt in order to look at the buildings. The problem is the city sank and crap fell over the city. The city is not just underwater. It's under dirt. We can't look at the city.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: That's why scams are so important. But because of this, we can't tell what the decorations look like, what metals are made out of. When we're doing dives, we're diving and reaching the bottom and touching dirt on top of the city, and that's where we're finding the materials we locate. We would have to drill into the dirt to reach the buildings underneath us. Now, again, no amount of archaeological diving or sonar scans could prove that the buildings are decorated with gemstones. We can find the gemstones.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We don't know what the buildings have on them, though, so only really excavating the city would prove this. Now, durable foundation. Coastal buildings suggest strong foundations, you know, to resist the sea's impact, in the case of storms, to resist flooding and all this kind of crap. So it would require innovative underwater construction techniques if you're on the coast. And the fact that they had walls for flooding proves that water was a problem. Sonar does confirm that below the city, there are additional structures almost always tied directly to buildings and canals.

Cristina: Okay, that's more water protection.

Jack: More water protection. This is assuring the buildings themselves aren't gonna have their foundation erode and fall. So they didn't just build up, they built down.

Cristina: That's pretty advanced. Oh, my God.

Jack: Pretty advanced and pretty deep down. If you're trying to stop a building from tilting or something, which would suggest, you know, additional reinforcement to withstand in a case of a flood overcoming the city walls. Impressive. Additionally, this. This leans into some really more advanced engineering. There are mentions within the text of earthquake resistant structures.

Cristina: Earthquake as well.

Jack: Yeah. So Texan implies that structures could survive natural disasters of all sorts, including seismic resistant architecture to withstand earthquakes and strong winds. Swaying buildings. How the h*** are they hard metals and swaying?

Cristina: They can tell that the swaying from the scans as well.

Jack: This is text.

Cristina: Oh, that's the text. Okay. That's crazy. That's crazy though.

Jack: Yeah. They can't tell that they can sway. Nothing can sway underneath. Tons and tons and tons and tons and tons of dirt.

Cristina: Dirt and water. That's crazy.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Whoa.

Jack: But if this is the case, then it would suggest layered construction. So that means beams on top of beams on top of beams that aren't a singular beam so that they can move out of each other's place and instead of a giant wind, snap the thing. But also, if you have a giant metal building, no amount of wind is gonna f****** do anything to that.

Cristina: So you think the text is wrong?

Jack: Well, no, I'm sure they had different kinds of structures.

Cristina: Overall, I guess it's all pretty advanced. Whether it's swaying or not swaying. Like it's. It's kind of crazy.

Jack: Yeah, it's. It does definitely hint to at least our level of technology. Every. Minus giant metal buildings. We do not have the resources. If they did, how. Where the h*** did you acquire this to make entire towers. Skyscrapers that are one solid block. How the f*** would you have done it? The only way would have been to melt steel all the way up there onto the existing steel framework and keep doing that progressively up to make it one giant chunk. Weird. But other than that, you had buildings that were composed of multiple pieces to allow swaying. An earthquake is not gonna shatter a giant steel building. No amount of wind is even gonna push that slightly. But there's no way all their buildings were like that. Those had to be special buildings.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You know, you're burning a lot of resources. Yeah. You're destroy you. You. You're wasting material just to make one of those. So you would need all kinds of buildings in order to have a city.

Cristina: Unless they're also known for having mines nearby as well or something.

Jack: I'm sure most of this was mines. And there's no amount of mine. A single mining operation with hundreds of mines would get you one building. Maybe.

Cristina: Maybe. Okay.

Jack: Skyscrapers. Nah, it would get you one, dude.

Cristina: But they described having a tower.

Jack: At least many towers. Oh, many towers and many towers made of different materials, but many of them were solid, which is like how. How the h***. Oh, okay, so you used everything you had and there was nothing left?

Cristina: Everything and more. They were seven. Trading with a bunch of people too.

Jack: Yes. They must have been trained. With this level of technology, it's easy to believe that they were traveling great distances with some and delivering things to themselves.

Cristina: That's the only way. That's crazy.

Jack: Now, the city also had public spaces and temples. This is all mentioned within the text. And a lot of this could actually be seen on scans. Temples were described as aligned with celestial bodies, indicating knowledge of astronomy and its incorporation into building orientation. Now, although whether the structures detected are in fact buildings or monuments of sorts is unclear, sonar scans do confirm absolute alignment of a large portion of structures within the city with celestial bodies.

Cristina: And that's not just random?

Jack: That's not random. That had to be super intentional. Now this hints to a couple of things. This does hint to complicated astronomical knowledge. And? And some texts go as far as suggesting the awareness of objects deeper into our star system and even some outside of it. Which would require a minimum of interplanetary traveling technology.

Cristina: No, no.

Jack: A minimum. Some things today we could have never seen without being at the edge of our own star system.

Cristina: How's that powerful?

Jack: And they have knowledge of those things that we have only recently, within the last hundred years, come across.

Cristina: That one's hard to imagine.

Jack: It's in the text. That one we can't even deny. It's in the within. Old texts, they mention things we have only recently discovered.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: What things we have just stumbled upon in the last hundred years? They had 9,000 BCE they knew about. At least they knew about.

Cristina: How is that even possible?

Jack: They got structures aligned with crap we didn't know existed in our own star system, in the belts and s***. They got Planet Xmax mapped out somewhere. It's like get the f*** out of here. How?

Cristina: That's ridiculous.

Jack: You knew about some s*** we just theore still theorizing about. That's crazy. As for the public areas and the markets, Dwarka had public squares for gathering and markets, which implies well designed public spaces for trade and community activities. Text also mentioned trade with other like minded civilizations from both near and far.

Cristina: Like minded?

Jack: Yes. That doesn't mean that they were equally technologically advanced, but that they were at least friendly.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now it does claim that there were a few trades with rivals that they had in Peace treaties.

Cristina: But they don't mention who these rivals are.

Jack: They don't mention who these rivals are specifically. At least not as far as me writing those notes. Weirdly enough, they had like public polling areas in their texts as well. Pooling pool pools, public pools. People go swimming.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Without it having to be the ocean.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Different from their reservoirs that they kept clean.

Cristina: Yeah. They have mad water stuff.

Jack: Yes. The city very connected to water.

Cristina: Yeah, that's pretty cool.

Jack: The outside all surrounded by water, at least in one direction within the city. Natural collections of water, natural water distribution. Water canals that travel on top of having a bunch of locations just to go in water that doesn't taint their drinking water.

Cristina: That is crazy. That's so advanced and so cool to imagine.

Jack: So sophisticated. Yeah, it sounds so elegant. And then you consider everything has water. Everything is made. Marble and gold and shiny metals and gemstones on everything. And then you consider current day designs in India that definitely took inspiration from structures they've seen in the past. And you consider all of their walkways are white, all of the buildings are gold, silver with green, red and yellow stones on them. And the natural water resources everywhere. Beautiful city. Had to be such an astounding thing to look at.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So mind boggling now. Now we start getting into something a little more interesting. Transport infrastructure as we've described. They had roads and avenues. Some of them were pretty broad roads nevertheless, which allowed for easy travel. Reflecting on well planned transport networks within city, they also had harbors and docks. Because of their position as a cold SO city. Dwarka's advanced harbors and docks worked for ship docking, pointing to a lot of maritime infrastructure and integration. But it also suggested many, because of the size of the coast and the amount of infrastructure along the coast, that there were not only their ships taking off, but many, many, many receiving ports. Okay, so there was a lot of ocean trade.

Cristina: Yes, there is a lot of trade. That must be how they got material. If this whole, if the text is.

Jack: Correct now one of the only groups of people I could think about that they would trade. That would be. This level of technology would eventually be the Mayans. How would you. Who else are you trading with that could cross the ocean in such vast repetition? They would need equal technology or somewhere near you at least. And that's, you know, they can get from Mexico to travel the water to India. So there's likely a trade line in between those two points.

Cristina: Like the way they made up.

Jack: No, just for them to get to. From all the way in Mexico to the ports over here in India. And then from India, they were probably getting easily to ports in Maya.

Cristina: Yes. Maya has mad material, right?

Jack: They had man material. Yes.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But it's not even about the material. It's just about the fact that they, at some point, could have easily been trading with these people. So there's definitely connections. What's weird is the lack of mention. That's where it gets iffy.

Cristina: Who they were in contact with. Who are these friendlier foes?

Jack: No. Why didn't the Mayans mention these people? Why didn't anybody mention these people? Why do we have to look specifically at India? They clearly were trading with people.

Cristina: There has to be. Maybe they mentioned them as something else. Like the people. The sea people was the same way. Like there was a different word that we had to look into that was.

Jack: Oh, yeah, we found the Aletians much later.

Cristina: Yeah. They always mentioned them, but we just. It wasn't the right words that we were looking.

Jack: Yes. So it's completely possible that they were being described under a different term. Yes, I believe maybe among some of the texts that looked arbitrary and random to us. Again, perspective matters. A lot of the time we get informed, go back looking, we're like, oh.

Cristina: So we gotta do that. Okay.

Jack: I mean, we're gonna look at Maya anyways, because we already know that they had cities developed to transport people to the shadow realm and bring people from the shadow realm to live amongst.

Cristina: That's pretty crazy discovery. Yes.

Jack: So we still have. There's a lot in the text that was just not obvious.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah, we got that way later on from anything else. That's the most recent thing.

Jack: Again, we already knew that they had portals, but we had no clue that this was just right in front of our face.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's possible they did mention trade with these individuals. But interesting, though.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They also had some bridges over canals, which is just interesting. Some. A few of the canals had breaks over them, thin breaks, which, you know, suggested easy mobility for vehicles and things over it.

Cristina: And both like.

Jack: Yes, very Venice, Italy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now, diving into some of their defensive situations here. We know the city walls were heftily fortified and tall, which was obviously for protection of the city, showcasing defensive architecture to withstand attacks. These are the inner walls. It had nothing to do with the flood walls.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The gates were fortified. Each entrance to the city was fortified, further enhancing their defensive capabilities. Watchtowers mentioned in text. And at each meeting point of the gaps leading to the gates, there are taller structures to either side.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Of where the gate would be. So where the gap exists to both sides of the gap in the wall.

Cristina: Some type of tower.

Jack: Some type of taller structure. That had to be a tower. Could have been decorative design. But presumably those are the towers they're talking about. Those are the towers are talking about. Which would help for ensuring surveillance, security and defense. I'm sure they were shooting right out of there. Something was a problem. And naval fortification, seaside defenses included potential underwater barriers, which we can see with the combination. This is a weird one. The flood walls that existed in full perimeter towards the water side, towards the coast were connected. This is the only part where they're connected to the wall surrounding the city. So there's two layer of walls. The smaller outer wall, which is for flooding, and the taller inner wall, which is for defense. Towards the coast. Those walls are connected with different beams and connect. It's a full different interesting structure that creates one giant. If we get attacked from the water, those people are more f***** than anybody could ever be f*****.

Cristina: They have protection for that.

Jack: That is a protection I'm talking about. The protection is that.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If somebody attacked from the water, they have their defensive wall and their flood wall as one giant series of pillars. And it looked like they just had thousands at this point of watchtowers, all aiming towards the water.

Cristina: That is kind of crazy. But I mean, you have to do something like that. Yeah, I guess if you're that advanced and that's your weakest spot.

Jack: Yes. So this was obviously for. For naval protection. There must have been problems. Now diving purely into texts and what they suggest. Their technologies according just the text go the extra mile. This gives us a better hint as to what we're talking about here. Keep in mind we can prove most of what we've talked about. So we can assume the texts aren't bullshitting because we can prove almost everything. So when we dive into the technologies, we have to question. Holy s***. Did you just start bullshitting? But it's tied in equal parts with all the stuff we can prove now. They had advanced energy systems. So free clean energy harness from natural sources, which included water. That makes perfect sense.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Solar. Okay. Weirdly enough, cosmic. What does that mean the Egyptians technology where they go into space and transport crazy amounts of energy.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It suggests they also had that they were maybe not as deep into space as the Egyptians were. All the way in the great Void. Literally creating an infinite amount of Dyson spheres to the point that we look up there and we just see darkness. But likely taking energy straight from not just solar, but rather sending things into the sun that weren't getting destroyed and bringing back mass amounts of plasmic energy. That's leaps and bounds of tech.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Just to accomplish something to gather energy like that. We are talking way more advanced than any other civilization without reaching the Egyptians and the Mayans. Definitely at least comparable to the Greek.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're at least tied with the Greek.

Cristina: The Greeks are the ones with the ones not once I forgot there was like pillars that helped gather energy. I can't remember if that was Greek or Egyptian.

Jack: That was Egyptian.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Egyptians had mastered energy. Okay, so that was the. Are you talking about. I forget what the obelisks.

Cristina: Yes. Did they have something like that as.

Jack: Well that there's no mention of it here.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But they definitely. I'm assuming they must have had something comparable or something slightly more primitive. Again nobody's with the Egyptians when it came to energy.

Cristina: But plasma energy you said what?

Jack: That is still way more primitive than going across all of space and creating Dyson sphere that enclose multiple stars.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: At no point is this the mention of a Dyson sphere. At most they're sending something into a star to capture energy. A Dyson sphere would be so far ahead of sending something into a star that like this is primitive by comparison.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Now it's still way more advanced than any city that exists today. This will s*** on any technology we have ever seen in person. Any technology anyone alive today has ever witnessed personally. This is way ahead of that. Still miles behind the Egyptians and the Egyptians were miles behind the Alicians, but still overpowered that is.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Now here we get somewhere that we've not seen mentioned anywhere else. Flying vehicles referred to as vimanas. Vimanas. I don't know how I would say that. V I M A N a S Anti gravity and energy based flying machines capable of both local transportation and possibly inter regional and interstellar travel. Now we're elevating to getting closer to the Egyptians. Probably farther away from the Mayans. But we still don't have a true perspective on the Mayans because when we think about what we're talking about here, the Mayans technology would look closer to magic for us. While the Egyptians technology looks closer to our traditional sciences.

Cristina: Oh, science, yes.

Jack: So the Mayans are masters of crossing to the other side, while the Egyptians are masters of controlling things on this side. Two vastly different types of technology which as we found out with the Shadow. The Shadow gods. The crossing of technology is something important. Mixing of these two worlds matters. And there's zero mention of these Individuals having any connection to the Shadow realm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: To this moment, there's not. And I guarantee you through the entirety of what we're going to talk about, there's not one mention. They seem very, very, very exaggeratedly on the side of earthrealm, but technology wise.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: While the Egyptians had shadow people and Alicians had shadow people, and the Mayans had shadow people, and the Greek had shadow people.

Cristina: No shadow people. I wonder if there's any mention of Maga. That usually helps.

Jack: I don't know who built the city. It's unclear who was leading, which people were involved or anything.

Cristina: No leaders mentioned. Whoa.

Jack: No one specific. Just breaking down the city specifically. Maybe at some point. I'll try to see if we can find names or something. But as far as we know, there's nothing. No. None of this technology at least connects to the Shadow Realm or even Alphan. Just straight up tech. Straight up Earth Realm tech.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Advanced. They're specialists. Clearly specialists in Earth Realm.

Cristina: No help.

Jack: Don't know.

Cristina: As far as we can tell. That's crazy.

Jack: We don't know. We have no reference point to tell whether they did or did not. But we just know all of it seems to be earthrealm based. If they had people of Val Fame and people of the Shadow realm involved, even those individuals were entirely focused on earthrealm tech, because that's all we're saying. And I guess based on the difference of technologies between Maya and Egypt, we can assume that the Mayan and Egypt were equal just in totally different technologies. Which would mean that these individuals are catching up to the Egyptians and the Mayans. Based on the quality and complexity of.

Cristina: Their technologies, they gotta be equal. I don't know. They sound ridiculous.

Jack: Yeah. And we can assume that the Greek were also pretty up there. The Greek, the Mayan, the Egyptian, the Elysians, and now the people from India, from Dwarka, at least. Very interesting flying vehicles. We've seen this nowhere else. But if you got portals, you don't need to fly anywhere. You can just pop up places. So none of those individuals needed them? Them. These people don't seem to have portals.

Cristina: But what does a flying vehicle mean? Like, what is it made out of?

Jack: It's a machine. I don't know.

Cristina: It's a machine. It's crazy. I don't know. It's just hard to imagine.

Jack: Imagine a car.

Cristina: But would it even look like a car? Would it look like.

Jack: No, it would look like their version of car. It looked like their ancient primitive.

Cristina: Not primitive, but ancient descriptions of what this Flying vehicle looks like.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: They just what it could do. It was capable of vertical takeoff. It could travel interstellarly. Which is nuts as.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But we know there are people who could instantaneously cross the universe. So that's still primitive as compared to that technology. They did not have that sort of Egyptian teleportation tech that existed which probably wasn't even Egyptian to begin with. That was probably given to them by the Mayans who were the masters of creating portals and bridging gaps like that. Possibly it existed in the pyramids and the pyramids existed in both locations.

Jack: You know, that's the kind of thing that is like. Well, if you guys are sharing tech then that. That one probably came from this group of people.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: Knowing what they specialize in. They had advanced shipbuilding and maritime technology. So sophisticated ships, navigational tools, water defense ships, submarines for protection, trade and possibly automated. Nevertheless. So like no people are in there?

Cristina: No.

Jack: What they have AI navigating these ships.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: This is in their text. Like this should just worked on its own. But again this is where we have to be like d***, bro. So scientists have to scientists looking through these ancient texts. I'd be like oh no. This is. This is a 100% just myth at this point. But it's like come on bro, we could do it. Why do we have to be the pinnacle always?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: It's weird. Weaponry and defense systems Here we dive into weirder things. Okay. We have interstellar traveling. That's right. We have automation. So AI. So some of that leans into. When you think about what it would require. Right. To interstellar travel you need mass amounts of energy. But if you're going straight into the sun and acquiring energy, you have mass amounts of energy. High energy weapons that include laser rifles.

Cristina: Oh my God.

Jack: Laser missile technology. Precision destruction capable of energy dispersion higher than current day nuclear weaponry.

Cristina: How is.

Jack: How are what and defense shield and barriers probably energy powered.

Cristina: No way.

Jack: So they can in. Now here is where it becomes interesting. The outer wall is way shorter and thicker. The inner wall is taller and thinner. The side of the wall connecting facing the water connects to both walls connect. If you were to draw this out, you could easily flick a switch and a dome would farm over with support. Weird. The structure without having to read any of this bullshit would tell you you could easily form a dome around it. How out of all the s*** that's weirdly the closest one to being proven. A weird energy shield.

Cristina: An energy shield. How are they doing this, this is way too advanced. Now I'm questioning the city. Maybe they were gold, I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. As we get into their tech, it starts to kind of go into the deep end.

Cristina: That sounds ridiculous. Maybe they're mining in the sky. Like why do they have to trade?

Jack: I mean, once we establish that they could do interstellar travel and they could acquire energy from a star.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Acquiring pure materials from space becomes easy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So you don't even have to go that far. You could just go to the first belt, start mining.

Cristina: That ridiculous. Okay.

Jack: The fact that they would have had to be able to exit our star system at all means the outer belt. Easy. You don't have to leave our star to get there. You just stay within our own solar system and you could mine the outer belt infinitely for all of infinity and.

Cristina: Have just infinite resources with this crazy advanced technology. They were letting people into their city. That's crazy.

Jack: Totally primitive people. But these people are going to come in. Nobody's going to hurt anybody. How I know he's going to come in for trade and whatever. The cities surrounding this location that are around today. And their historical records do suggest that although they weren't advanced, they had access to already existing advanced materials that they didn't have the ability to make. So they were going to places to shop for things they couldn't replicate. And these people weren't afraid to give to them because how the f*** are they gonna learn how to do it?

Cristina: They're not.

Jack: They could just come buy it from us and they'll always have to come buy it from us. For all of infinity they'll have to come buy it from us. Because they would never learn with their primitive s*** how to replicate it.

Cristina: That's crazy. There's no way they were like doing that with their ships or that.

Jack: No way.

Cristina: They were not using their technology.

Jack: They were just letting people come in and take the things that wouldn't be able to be used against them.

Cristina: Insane, insane technology.

Jack: Now when we revisit the automation and artificial intelligence, it makes way more sense that they definitely had access to all of these things. And it suggests that their automated systems were used to manage everything from city infrastructure to trade and defense. So AI could have been integrated to everything. What they had Internet?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They had a stock market, likely. And that this would choose prices that made sense and allowed every outsiders to come and trade. Allowed civilized equally powerful civilizations to come and trade and primitive civilizations to come and trade in a fair way that it's all calculated and you don't have to.

Cristina: I have to believe that the Mayans and the Egyptians had this type of tech as well.

Jack: Well, we know they did. We know they had AI and we know that at least the Mayans did, which suggested the Egyptians and the Elysians did, since they were always sharing. The minds at least had the ability to store all this data.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which required sorting through it, which would require something with the ability and capacity to run through it.

Cristina: So they all had some type form of Internet and AI.

Jack: Yep. Interesting. And the Internet would probably suggest how the libraries made it to these separate locations. The Sphinx and El Castillo.

Cristina: It makes sense.

Jack: They just needed a hard copy in case of s***. Which did happen. So the hard copy did pay off.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Interesting. It's interesting that like Jesus knew about the technology too. I remember we learned that he just stuck to writing paper because it was more trustworthy than.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Using anything else.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes.

Cristina: He.

Jack: He did not trust. Using whatever current. And the fact it was. It sounded stupid at the time. Oh, he. And he found that writing was more effective at keeping secrets. And it's like, as compared to what?

Cristina: Dude, it has to be this.

Jack: It had to be this. He was trying to evade the modern mode of communication. Right? Now if we were trying to evade the government, we would do it by sending handwritten letters that would look like any normal male. Is how you would evade the technologies that are being surveilled by the governments of the world. That's exactly what he was doing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Crazy Jesus was actively coming up. He was a rebel. And like, to the realest, most exaggerated. He was the rebel of rebels.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah. He was the golden standard. Medical technologies. They had advanced health care. And here's where it gets a little weird. Genetic engineering capable. Capable of extending life, curing diseases and healing injuries instantaneously.

Cristina: How. I mean, I understand. But like all of them, they always. This always ends up. They all seem the same.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Once they reach a certain.

Jack: And it looks like when you think about it. Right. Who is super overpowered? All first world countries are first world countries and they're equally first world countries to some degree. Yes. Some are slightly better, some are slightly worse. But they're all First World countries.

Cristina: These ancient first world countries are all.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Like that.

Jack: They're all roughly equal. And yes, there's the one mega super like Russia, United States equivalent, which was the Alicians. Oh, we're all scared of you.

Cristina: Yeah, but. But everyone has their unique.

Jack: Yeah, but it's more or less there. Everybody's kind of on the cusp of the same thing. It's just again, we can think. The United States. Oh, they're strapped with nukes. There's the most dangero. I was like, all right, those were the Alicians. They had the most nukes. We'll just call it that. They had the most nukes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so people wanted to trade with them the most so that they're on their good graces, like the United States. And people wanted to, you know, always be on their happy side. The Elysians all feared to the point that if you're gonna talk s***, you're gonna talk s*** secretly, you're gonna come up with a different word. Sea people. The sea people. F*** them.

Cristina: F*** the sea people.

Jack: I hate them all. The Alicia.

Cristina: There has to be word. I can't wait to find what these people are called. Really or not really. We know their names, but what other people were calling them.

Jack: What other people calling them and what they were calling other people.

Cristina: Oh, okay, yeah.

Jack: Now, computing. How do we get to AI? Well, they. According to the texts, they don't use the following terms. This is what it would translate to if we were to assume what it meant, which is the ability to compute infinite information almost instantaneously. They must have had quantum computing. They must have had quantum computing. It's the only way for any of this we are talking about to be.

Cristina: Possible once we get to sun power. Like, okay, okay, you must, you must.

Jack: How are you building anyway? No, it's not a stretch. In fact, quantum computing would be primitive comparatively. You must have had past the. Out of that threshold long ago before.

Cristina: You're taking energy from this within the sun.

Jack: Like, okay, you need something that can process making a material that won't melt. Like how?

Cristina: Like how exactly? Yes.

Jack: It needs to withstand the pressure and heat of the sun and then somehow have thrust enough to pull itself out from that gravity.

Cristina: That technology is the true advanced technology. Like, what is that?

Jack: Yes, yes, but also, that's still way primitive than a Dyson sphere. Yes, because the Dyson sphere that isn't collapsing and falling into the star, you must have figured something out. An instantaneous transportation. Crazy. These was leaps and bounds so far ahead of what could be understood. But yeah, definitely quantum computing. They also had environmental control systems, so controlling the weather, obviously, and environmental conditions to manage heat flooding, even manipulating the climate in general to have the most ideal climate at all times. Now we get to scaling, right? Now we get to scaling. Yes, within text alone. There's no way to conclude or prove this any other f****** way than reading it. One Part of this very easy science wise and terminology wise, we can compare this to other civilizations, which is dimensional physics. Opening and closing portals. Now we've gotten to portals. They have the ability to open and close portals now it does not mention at any moment crossing a portal to another realm. It sort of looks like folding space onto itself. So warp technology that allows them to cross huge gaps of space in short time.

Cristina: That's how they're traveling to the sun.

Jack: That's how they're traveling to the sun. And probably entering the sun effortlessly. Maybe it's not even that kind of tech. Maybe it's not something going into the sun in the same way we think maybe they're folding the sun in a way that allows them to put something in there, extract energy and unfold it and be safe.

Cristina: That is ridiculous.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: That is so, I guess, possible.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: So if you have that tech now.

Jack: We can compare that to other civilizations and be like, yeah, okay, sure, whatever. The other side that is mentioned in sync with this, we don't necessarily have equal, which is time manipulation.

Cristina: Whaaat?

Jack: Potentially mastery over time dilation.

Cristina: What? What does that mean? How?

Jack: Well, the text suggests that they can manipulate time.

Cristina: And what?

Jack: I don't know, it doesn't specify. Just talks about that being among their technological capabilities.

Cristina: That's kind of insane.

Jack: Yeah, that puts them way up there, right next to the Aleutians. And based on how long ago this was made, maybe.

Cristina: But no one can wrestle time. I mean, besides the necromancers.

Jack: The necromancers, exactly. So we know of people who can. And if the Elysians had access to the necromancers without ever explicitly mentioning time manipulation, they had access to it, they just didn't mention it. But the necromancers did. And the necromancers could easily, almost effortlessly, and it wasn't a problem, it was an afterthought. And the Elysians had access to the necromancer.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So they had access to time. We just hadn't stumbled upon this before.

Cristina: So these people possibly did the same. Because without a necromancer.

Jack: Oh, right. How the f*** would you do it? Without a necromancer?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they must have had a necromancer. But also, we know Jesus was fond of India.

Cristina: Yes. And we also know what's his name?

Jack: Hermes.

Cristina: Hermes likes to travel.

Jack: Yes. And Hermes was also fond of India.

Cristina: Oh crap.

Jack: And Hermes, although close to the Elysians, was a neutral party.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. So.

Jack: The homie, both the homies might have. They might have Traveled here.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: Both the homies might have traveled and given tech or helped with developing tech. Teaching them, okay, you can't do what we do, but maybe we can make some technology that can, man.

Cristina: But, man, that's. That's too much. That's too much. That's more. I don't know. Time tech is just crazier than any type of tech there is.

Jack: Yes. I think it violates anybody f****** with you.

Cristina: Yeah. And yet they were f***** with. At least they had to be. Like.

Jack: Now. The question is, why isn't the city standing today?

Cristina: That is a good question. I want to know. Death friendly. I have guesses.

Jack: Go for it.

Cristina: I don't know. The Elysians didn't like what they were doing. They had to have enemies. Of course.

Jack: Other than the Elysians, what enemy could they possibly have that could do anything?

Cristina: If they weren't friends with the Shadow Realm people, maybe the Shadow Realm people didn't like them.

Jack: Who's gonna have the tech to f*** with us? Who in the Shadow Realm could possibly. We're talking. These people seem kind of ridiculous. Ridiculous.

Cristina: But they were taken down. Like, that's pretty. Like, whatever did do this, it's kind of crazy, whatever it is. It's very scary.

Jack: All right, so the likely possibility is obviously war and some kind of conflict. Now, trade rivalries. Dwarka's role as a major port city likely placed it at the center of competition for trade routes with other civilizations, which may have made it a target for civilizations seeking dominance over those Earths. In a geopolitical context, its strategic location and advanced infrastructure would make it a likely target for power struggles or military conflicts. But nobody surrounding them could have had the ability to f*** with them in any magnitude imaginable.

Cristina: So they could have taken themselves out.

Jack: Mentions of civilizations with equal or superior military power were perceived with the threat of invasion. This is mentioned within.

Cristina: Okay, so then someone else could have.

Jack: They mentioned equals. They were unclear about who those equals were, but there were people who they did fear.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Leaders of Dwarka had mentioned evacuation as a possibility to a large conflict with the rivals.

Cristina: That's how scary their rival was. They're like, let's just abandon everything.

Jack: Abandon.

Cristina: The most man city we have ever heard of was like, we just gotta get out. Yep, there's no solution here with this enemy.

Jack: Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.

Cristina: What is that? Scary from what? Everything you've mentioned. What could possibly be more scarier than that?

Jack: Now, this is where the environmental controls and those really advanced water pumps kick in preemptive sinking is loosely. In different texts. Not one piece says explicitly. But some will mention flooding the city, some will mention sinking the city. Some will mention creating storms to protect the city. Some mentioned evacuation of the city. All of that is one scenario. So the water management systems that the city had were quite advanced, as we know. They included the reservoirs. They included the canals and flood defense systems. This indicates that Dwarka could have easily controlled natural water flows. And it's possible that this was used to deliberately flood and sink the city, ensuring rivals wouldn't capture their technology. It was about.

Cristina: This was the runaway situation.

Jack: This was a runaway situation.

Cristina: What?

Jack: But this tells us something very, very, very, very interesting.

Cristina: This is the second time we saw something like this.

Jack: Yes, exactly. Now, it's not a matter of, oh, the Elysians blood. No, these people sank this before the Elysians did.

Cristina: The Alicians were scared of something. They ran.

Jack: These people were scared of something and they ran. They sank the thing trying to get rid of the potential of whatever other f****** s*** it was. And this is long before Jesus. Now, this was built around 9,000, but this city went down around 2,000 BCE.

Cristina: And when did the Elysians do it to their own city?

Jack: Year one, year one. Which would be 2,000 years after this.

Cristina: What is happening? What could be a threat like that?

Jack: What could be a threat that something as overpowered as Dwarka and Elysium.

Cristina: Like, they look like they got infinite amount of power.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What is scarier than that?

Jack: Unstoppable forces of nature.

Cristina: God.

Jack: Tier. The Almost the highest level we can think of when it comes to the Kardashev scale. At least localized level 4. Without counting, you know, bending the literal fabric of space time in the universe. What the f*** could you be dealing with that these people also had the fear of something stronger and actively sank super ridiculously advanced technology trying to avoid it being captured by something stronger. Who could be the rivals? And who are these people who are still lurking 2000 years after this city sank and made the Elysians paranoid? So then the creation of Jesus was only trying to stop whatever the f*** that was.

Cristina: So you think there's something bigger than the Elysians? Okay, what? That is so crazy. What could possibly be this?

Jack: They needed Hermes and Jesus and it still wasn't enough to somehow deal with whatever this other thing is. Presumably these people are still also around somewhere so deep and hidden.

Cristina: I would think the. I guess the biggest option would be Mel.

Jack: I guess. But the weird problem is we can't get information on that.

Cristina: I know we can't, but, like, that's the biggest. Like, maybe she can delete things. I don't know. Maybe she could delete things from her program if we're just in her program.

Jack: Well, at this point, I'm not even sure if it's still a program. But, like, I don't. I don't know what any of this means anymore. And the fact that, like, who can f*** with these people? This is two different cities of the most advanced anything that has ever existed in all of. Anything that we have ever conceived that feared something more complicated. And even the they made at the very end was so overpowered that it would on the entire Jesus alone. Would. On the entire Elysian civilization and every bit of technology they've ever had. And still that wasn't enough.

Cristina: It's gotta be the fairies doing their thing. The fairies are so advanced and we never actually know what they're doing.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And look, we just know they're safeguarding the program.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: This would make so much sense.

Jack: Yeah. The. It looks like the. The elves fail when we get to Jesus.

Cristina: Yes. But maybe not.

Jack: Maybe not. Maybe not. Maybe successfully breaking apart the group or how. Making them abandon their level of progress.

Cristina: Yes. Like, that's pretty.

Jack: That's.

Cristina: That's wild. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. They're forcing these individuals to control. Alt. Delete.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You know, they're just forcing them to delete their own.

Cristina: Yes. Because, like. Or you'll get deleted.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: You'll delete it. Or you get deleted.

Jack: Like something is going. It's you or it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's like. I don't know. Maybe.

Cristina: Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. Because it's just too advanced to imagine something. Like, what possibly could they fear besides, like, being wiped out?

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. It's too. It's. It's incomprehensible that there would be an issue.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So these people flooded their city.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Snapped it off the side, sank it.

Cristina: Into the ocean, and then covered it up.

Jack: Well, no time did that. They just f****** sent it into the ocean.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And time buried it. But it's like, leave it f****** down. Let's get the h*** out of here. They vacuumed the whole b****. They evacuated everything and just dipped. Crazy. So records. The earliest records of the city date back to 574, which mentioned previous records that got washed away and things that disappeared over time, dating its sinking to 1500s BCE. Somewhere between 15 and 1900s BCE, so about 2000 years before the Elysian sank their city.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And this kind of ties them to the beginning of other civilizations like the Indus Valley civilizations and whatnot that would then settle within the regions. I know. It's f****** weird, man.

Cristina: I think we have some. We're getting a picture of something at least. What could possibly be going on?

Jack: This puts the Elysians equal to the city of Dwarka. So that's two different cities, not countries. These are cities. Elysium at the bottom of the Persian Gulf oasis and Dwarka at the edge of India. Two highly advanced civilizations that just were.

Cristina: Taken down by themselves like nothing else.

Jack: Yeah. They themselves took. Sank their everything. And the mines ran away, the Mayans ran away. Probably to the Shadow Realm. Originally, we thought, because it didn't look like there was no trail. There was no trail outward. Our conclusion was they went underground, but they didn't need a trail outward if they just left the f****** realm.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which would explain that. And the Egyptians were like, f*** Earth.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's a lot of evidence of that. They're just like, we made rockets. We made this, we made that. And dipped. F*** everything.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Something. But no, no, because. No, no, it's not. It's not the elves or. If it is, it's not. It can't be the system logic we applied to it before.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because the Elysians took as much tech as they could underground underwater, and the Mayan took a bunch of their tech too. We assumed underground, but likely to the Shadow Realm. And the Egyptians took their tech across the universe.

Cristina: Well, we don't have the proof of what tech they took. Like maybe it's safe tech that the fairies wouldn't be bothered by and they probably destroyed.

Jack: Take tech that allows you to cross the universe. You're talking quite advanced. You're talking the most advanced of the most advanced. Something that could withstand the pressure of the deepest part of the ocean, is the weight of Earth on top of you and it not collapsing. We're talking advance.

Cristina: So what's going on? I don't know. Interesting.

Jack: Minus the fact that we have no proof of the Greek running away. We don't actually know where those people might be at this moment. Minus that. That's four different examples, two of which are colossally overpowered. Way more overpowered than the other two, which are the Elysians and Dwarka.

Cristina: Destroyed their crap and ran away.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: So what is it that everybody was horrified of that was so colossal it was more important to dip everybody? Full mass evacuation. That's four full mass evacuations.

Cristina: What's that about? What's that about? I don't know. That's crazy.

Jack: Yep. So there you go.

Cristina: I wonder if we'll find out. But like, I hope we do. I doubt we will.

Jack: But like, slowly but surely, I guess it's just crazy. I don't even understand what could be this overpowered. But for all this data, anybody who's interested, all this is available online. All this is available in different series of books. I'll tell you the names of those books again. You can find the lost city of Dwarka. You could find marine archaeology of the Indian Ocean countries. You could find excavations of Dwarka. You could find the archaeology of Bet Dwarka. And you could find archaeological survey of India reports. All are heftily including all of this information. And you can go through it yourself, find which details matter. And all of this is, you know, you could cross reference it with other data that isn't within the books that are mentioned. You could find a lot of the original texts.

Cristina: That would be so insane. I just don't understand. It's ancient and advanced.

Jack: Just like the Elysians. Yeah. Yeah, just like the Elysians. That's crazy. And this is just one we're going to be going through. There are others.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Yeah. So, yeah, if you guys want to talk to us about this, anything you find while looking at this, feel free.

Cristina: To see a connection that we're missing.

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Cristina: What? And this has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: Sabbath.

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September 07, 2024

Rambling 288: Minotaur

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What exactly is the Minotaur? What was its purpose? Where does it come from? The duo unpack the many myths and hidden stories of one of Greece’s most infamous creatures in a search to find any shred of relevant data that could help inform them beyond previously reached barriers in the data related to the Elysians or Clinton Road.

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Greek Mythology
Minotaur
Ancient Punishment
The Labyrinth
Survival Maze
Poseidon

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August 31, 2024

Rambling 287: Lamia

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Who is the Greek Mistress Lamia? What is the narrative surrounding her death? What is the truth surrounding her death? The duo unpack the mythology of an interesting creature known as Lamia, a mistress of a Greek God and what really unfolded with their affair.

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Topics Discussed:

Greek Mythology
Naga
Romantic Jealousy
Hera
Snake Pits
Shapeshifting
Necromancers
Jesus Christ

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May 11, 2024

Rambling 273: Looking for Questions

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With so many doors left to open, what is left to discover? The duo continue their unhinged speculation on the existing information with hopes of opening even more doors to continue investigation through. And like last time, the doors want to be opened!!

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Elysians
Jesus Christ
Yaldabaoth
Necromancers
Elves
Hermes
Merlin
Queen Mab

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February 25, 2023

Rambling 215: Mount Athos

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Why does everything come back to Mount Athos? What is really going on with this mountain? What is being hidden from the public eye? The duo continue their investigation of Mount Athos and the strange occurrences that keep pointing to something on this mountain. The twists and turns that the research goes through leads to a few revelations never before concluded, but more impressively some new questions arise!

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Topics Discussed:

Atlanteans
Unicorns
A Russian Named John
Sacred Russian Bestiaries
Athos the Giant
Athos vs Poseidon
Burial Ground
Eastern Orthodox Monasteries
Holy Relics, Icons, Mosaics
Virgin Mary
The Summit Athos

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January 28, 2023

Rambling 211: Unicorns

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Are unicorns real? Where do they come from? Can they help us figure out the Santa Clause Problem? The duo unpack Unicorns, their origins, what the truth about them might be and whether or not it would be useful to find one in order to use it to catch santa.

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Topics Discussed:

Unicorns
Indus Valley Civilization
Bestiaries
Powers
Greek Civilization
Middle Ages Europe
The Evidence
Magic Horn
Unicorn Powder Merchant
Adrenochrome

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November 12, 2022

Rambling 200: The Jersey Devil

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What is the origin of the Jersey Devil? What would the Jersey Devil even be? Are there other creatures similar to the Jersey Devil? The Duo unpack one of Jersey’s weirder mythologies, and deep dive into the reality of the matter when it comes to the Jersey Devil and what creatures could have fueled the inception of this tale.

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Topics Discussed:

Weird New Jersey
Benjamin Franklin
Jersey Devil
Mystical Creatures
The Chupacabra
Banshees
Strange Birds
Rare Bats

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July 23, 2022

Rambling 185: Akashita the Jehovah of Dark

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For what reason is Christian diety Jehovah depicted above the clouds? Why does Japanese cloud yokai Akashita have human physical features? And how are they connected? The duo tries to uncover whether Jehovah and Akashita are one and the same by discussing the personality shift between the new and old testaments of the bible.

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Topics Discussed:

Nick Kroll
Is Goku Jesus?
Adrenochrome
Editing the Bible
Scripture Right or Wrong
The Garen of Eden
Who made the Fruit of Knowledge?
The Shadow Realm
War of the Clouds
Mass Extinction Event

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May 01, 2021

Rambling 127: Loki and Friends

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What is Loki’s role in the apocalyptic Ragnarok? How do his children fit into the equation? What is the ultimate goal? Loki and his children unpacked on this episode.

Digging deeper into Loki and his history the duo uncover a winding roller-coaster of irrational activities and hijinks done by the trickster god Loki. The rabbit whole goes so deep that it reaches the other end at bestiality and cross-dressing. All that and more on this episode of Rambling.

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Topics Discussed

Shapeshifters
Giants
Ragnarok
Loki’s Children
The 9 Realms
Thor vs The World Serpent
Eating Contest for Gods
Loki’s Stand-Up Comedy
Bestiality
God Party
Greek Mythology
Norse Mythology
Loki’s Torture
Crossdressing Thor

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April 16, 2021

Rambling 126: Mythologies About Nature

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Where do mythologies come from? And do any of them accurately explain Earthly phenomena? Does any mythology unpack nature the way we unpack mythology? Answers to that and more on this episode!

The duo take to exploring the stories told by ancient civilizations in order to explain the reason for the existence of natural wonders. When the Gods get involved, events get weird and the origin of Jesus and Loki’s sexual ventures are revealed!

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Topics Discussed

Crater Lake
Devil’s Tower
Fairy Cycles
Aurora Borealis
Chinese Jesus
Solar Winds
Spirits
Greta Thunberg
The Original Volcano
The Legend of Zelda
Dragon Blood Tree
The Shelter of the Gods
Loki Horse Son

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November 14, 2020

Rambling 109: Werewolf Science

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The Just conversation Podcast, Werewolf, Werewolves #monsters, creatures, halloween, folklore, science, science fiction, stories, urban legend, terror, horror, fear, nature, 1800s, demons, possession, full moon

What is the science behind the stories of werewolves? What are the possible events that lead to their stories being shared over generations? Answers and theories to that on this episode.

Story:
After an episode where Calm Cristy elaborated on the intricate folklore and stories of Werewolves, Genocidal Jack decides to do an even deeper dive to see if the stories hold and scientific validity. With hopes of coming to a conclusion and maybe one day capturing their own pet werewolf, the duo unpack the origin of their stories. But what they discover about werewolves, native tribes and synthetic drugs throws their plans for a loop in ways they could not have predicted. All that and more on this episode of Just Conversation.

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Topics Discussed

Werewolf Origin Story
Yellow Eyes
Monster in the Woods
Hauling Wolves
Tribal Native Outfits
Synthetic Drugs
Bath Salts
Rabies
Full Moon

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November 07, 2020

Rambling 108: Werewolf Folklore

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Werewolf, THe Just Conversation Podcast, Horror, Scary, Vampire, Mytical

What are the real stories about werewolves and where do they come from? Werewolves and the Folklore surrounding their mystery is discussed.

Story:
The duo begins a new case about werewolves and they begin with the folklore and tales surrounding them. From origins to methods of disposing of them. But diving deep takes the duo down rabbits holes they never expected to go. The connections they discover reveal the truth of werewolves rests on a different mythological creature entirely. The question is, how many other creatures are just this one? All that and more on this episode of Just Conversation.

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Topics Discussed

Abilities of the 7th Son
Werewolf Features
Talking Dogs
Becoming a Werewolf
Curing Werewolf Syndrome
Werewolf War
Killing Werewolves
White Man’s Folklore
Vampire Werewolves
Scolding Werewolves
Adrenochrome
Shapeshifters
Chupacabra

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April 11, 2020

Rambling 85: The Easter Zombie

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Jesus, Easter, Easter Zombie, Holidays, Religion, Faith, God, The Just Conversation Podcast

What does Easter have to do with a rabbit? Unpacking the origins of Easter and how Jesus and a mythical rabbit relate.

Story:
The duo plots on escaping the country to Zombie Island as the national shutdown continues to spread. While in the studio they take the opportunity to unpack upcoming Easter and how it relates to other holidays and deities.

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Topics Discussed:

Egg Delivery
Christ Criminal Organization
The Resurrection
The First Zombie
Dracula
Scientist Christ
12 Year Old Apostles
Holy Coma
Mammals
Sonic 7 Crew
Spring

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March 21, 2020/ GreyThoughts.Info

Leprechaun, mythology, history, mythical creature, comedy, discussion, fringe, history, truth, science, religion, faith

What miracles did Saint Patrick perform? Unpacking St. Patrick’s day and it’s origin story.

Story:
As the world flees into hiding from the Coronavirus, the clones decide to go on a quest of understanding. They discuss the origin story of St. Patrick’s Holiday and attempt to understand how a man considered a Saint managed to force the Christian god Jehovah to do his bidding and grant him three wishes. In doing so our heroes discover unimaginable truths about Saint Patrick that will change what they believe and alter their lives forever. All that and more on this episode of Just Conversation.

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Evicting The Snakes
Saint Barrels
Kids in Barrels
Saint Nick and Child Trafficking
Wizards
Strong Arming God
St. Patrick’s 3 Wishes
1) Be The Best Saint
2) Take God’s Judgement Job
3) Ireland is Number 1
The Conspiracy
Púcas and Changelings

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December 21, 2019

Rambling 73: Christmas Special

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Christmas, the relationship between the monk Saint Nicholas, Jesus Christ and Santa Clause and the the nature of holiday traditions are discussed.

Story:
With the cat people being interrogated by the Illuminati, the reptilians imprisoned on mars, the subhumans back in their Chinese facilities and the year rushing towards its end, the clone due find themselves with little else to do than get ready for the coming holidays. Thus, this Christmas special arise. The clones crack open a personal investigation into the origins of Christmas and where it might be heading in the future as a way to close off the year.

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Topics Discussed

Merry Christmas vs Happy Holidays
Is Santa Jesus?
Mr. Rogers, Murder Suicide
St. Nick vs Mr. Rogers
Krampus and Santa
The Judging System
Coca Cola Santa Origins
Santa AKA Capitalist Saint Nick
X Means Jesus
The War on Christmas
Existence Anxiety
Mass Murder Challenge
Night of the Radish
Growing Consciousness

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November 23, 2019

Rambling 70: Thanksgiving Special

November 23, 2019/ GreyThoughts.Info

Thanksgiving, The Just Conversation Podcasts, Slavery, Pilgrims, Indians, Native americans, Turkey, History, Theory, Fact

Thanksgiving’s origin, its connection to the Christian religion and how its rooted in Pagan ideologies are discussed.

Story:
As they wait for the subhumans the scour the lake floors of the world in search of intergalactic portals or secret underwater laboratories, the clone discuss thanksgiving with the intention of getting to the bottom of its narrative. They dig deep and find that many things believed about the holiday never occurred and uncover a multitude of layers involving several religions, twisted ideologies, myths, legends and human sacrifices. All that and more on this episode of Just Conversation.

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Topics Discussed

Reptilian Native Americans
Christopher Columbus the Cannibal
Murdering Native Turkeys
The Seven Deadly Holidays
Christianity’s Pagan Origin
The Human Sacrifice, Jesus Christ
Diabolical Catholic Rituals
The Usefulness of Religion
The Myth of the Pilgrims
Religion’s Adaptive Nature

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October 19, 2019

Rambling 66: Early Halloween Spooktacular

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Spooky, Halloween, Podcast, The Just Conversation Podcast, Theory, Idea, Research, culture, tradition, holiday, celebration

Demon possessions, the nature of good and evil magic, sleep paralysis and personal haunting experiences are discussed for this early Halloween episode!

Story:
Approaching Halloween the clone due is directed by the Illuminati to investigate demon possessions as a general subject to reveal what the cause might be. The investigation leads them into the subject matter of magic where they discover the baffling truth behind good and evil magic and the lies the masses have been told in reference to this. They close off by reflecting on related personal experiences of dark and twisted encounters

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Topics Discussed

A sea of True Crime Podcasts
Halloween
The White Man’s Fault
Demon Possessions
The Price of Exorcisms
Mental Illness Demons
Nature is Evil
Righteous Technology
Magic in the Woods
Visions of Evil
Sleep Paralysis
Astral Projection
The Haunting of Clinton Road
The KKK
Personal Horror Stories

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August 17, 2019

Rambling 59: The Chupacabra

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The Chupacabra, Creatures, Monsters, Animal, Conspiracy Theory, Alien, Bigfoot, The Loch Ness Monster, Dog, Fox, Mutant, The Just Conversation Podcast

An attempt to reason down all the collected chupacabra lore and sightings throughout the decades is made.

Story:
After learning the secrets of magic from reptilians in Mars internment camps the duo returns to NASA HQ to brief the mission director and the scientists that they’ve acquired the necessities for them and the Subhumans to survive the trip to Alpha Centuri. While they wait to meet with the lead scientists they decide to break open the case of the Chupacabra and find out its true origins.

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Alpha Centuri
Coyote Chupacabra
Chimera
Scientific Experiments
Inbred Albino Dwarfs
Winged Snakes
Reptilian Alien
Bird Box Alien Shapeshifters
MewTwo
Alien Scientists
Diseased Animals
Deformed Animals
Blood Sucking

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