Rambling 253: Nephilim
/Why were out-breeding illegal to the Elysians? Why did it take so long for the Nephilim to appear in the records? What can any of this tell us about the bigger picture? The duo finally dive into the long awaited Nephilim. This Ambiguous third race of Earth.
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Topics Discussed:
- The Nephilim
- Elysians
- Azazel
- Giants
- St. Arnold
- Norwegian Northern Islands
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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.
Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.
Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. Ideas. And today, in continuation to the infinite spiral of information that has entirely devolved from once upon a time looking at a unicorn and then finding out that somebody thought that was a real thing, and then chasing that until we landed at extremely advanced individuals with technologies beyond our understanding.
Cristina: I happened to live under the sea.
Jack: They happen to live under the sea. Both instances.
Cristina: Both, yeah.
Jack: Because in the Persian Gulf oasis, the palace of Alcaraz was underneath the water, and then in Atlantis, it is beneath the Atlantic Ocean. And. Yeah, that's a weird. I don't know, they love doing that. Actually, I've not thought about that too hard. That's a weird one. Yeah. Why always under. I guess it's just harder to get to them.
Cristina: But we know they're not just under the sea because of Ireland or not Ireland, but that place with the trees, I don't know where that's at.
Jack: Oh, but those are small. The Isle of Man. Yeah, but what you're talking about. And by the way, we're talking about the Elysians, as you guys know, this is. This is what we do here. But yeah, the Alicians. What happened in the Isle of Man was essentially a scientific settlement, not their main civilization. It seems like their main civilization is this thing that they. This settle, not settlement, this true city.
Cristina: I don't know, because that's also like a bunch of scientists as well.
Jack: Like, you think the whole place is of scientists?
Cristina: No, we don't know where the real. Their real places, where the actual people are. We just know the locations of the scientists.
Jack: Why would you think. Fantastic. You think the palace of Alcaraz itself was a facility for science, not a city. But it's described as a city. Yeah, we've caught a couple of descriptions of descriptors of that as a city and of Atlantis as a city, to the point that Mananan himself is described as from Elysium in the Atlantic.
Cristina: Oh, okay, so it is a city.
Jack: It is a city.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It is a bunch of people. And the fact that Mary just lived in the Persian Gulf oasis before she became the host of this experiment. So, you know, it goes to say that they for sure, for sure, for.
Cristina: Sure, for sure live under the sea.
Jack: For sure. Not just that they live under the sea, but that's their main city. As far as we know.
Cristina: As far as we know.
Jack: As far as we know. Anyways, looking at the Atlanteans, which are really not the Atlanteans, but closer to being called just the Sea people, as we've called them for a very long time, but are really labeled the Elysian Sea people, is it courtesy to the Greek. But they are called Elysians, as we found out later, courtesy of following the trail of Mananan. And as we have followed, we found that again, some weapons can in fact kill creatures from Elfame. Elfame is where the fairies are from. Fairies is not the fairies we are accustomed. In terms of fairies. Fairies are a highly intelligent. Not necessarily. I'm sure there's animal style fairies similar to the Shadow Realm. It is just a different reality of sorts that exists parallel to Earth Realm, which is what we understand to be our reality, our universe. And they exist really next to each other and are very different to one another, I guess. Not next to each other, but beneath and above, like Elf. If we were to say there's an entire universe, there's a whole universe and there's a one black hole in that universe and you jump in through that black hole. Now you landed inside of the Shadow Realm. If that first one was all fame. So they're like below each other in that. The Shadow Realm is below somehow Elfame. Because it's just a tiny little. A tiny little.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: But it still exists within Elfhame somehow. But it's just a tiny little. But then you have to do that one more time in this infinitely big shadow Realm. That's just an infinitely small point in Elfan. You do that one more time in an infinitely small point in the Shadow Realm and you get us.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And so that's the visual I get when I'm. It's like funneling, you know, from Alphane.
Cristina: Start is starting.
Jack: Elfin is the big one and we're the small one.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Or the other way around. The funnel would begin at Elfame and everything comes out of that. So you'd have a pyramid where elf flame is the top of the pyramid. Everything cons like comes out of that and then. Yeah, which is a weird example because the stupid pyramid thing assumes that the tip of the pyramid comes first and everything below it comes after. But that makes no sense. You don't build a pyramid top down.
Cristina: How do you know that's not how it was made?
Jack: The what? The. The pyramids?
Cristina: Yes. What if you found out? Wouldn't that be even more amazing?
Jack: The pyramids were made top down like that. The. The metallic. What is it, bronze or gold that they had there beforehand was just floating. Which at this point, like, I wouldn't put it past them with the level of technology that they had at that time. Anyways. Looking at weapons that can actually kill creatures from Elfame that we discovered was a thing. We get to our first mention of a Nephilim. And in that first mention of a Nephilim, it was kind of a curious thing that I ignored at first because there was another weapon that was similar to Excalibur and we dove in that direction. Expl. Is that thing. And cool. But I decided to go back and check this thing about the Nephilim out because the first mention we've had, I've been wondering when they're eventually going to pop up. And they did. So in diving into the Nephilim, I came across a couple of interesting things. And we're going to discuss those interesting things.
Cristina: What are the things? Are they Nephilim? Are you calling them things?
Jack: These Nephilim are. Can you imagine everything. Okay, so these Nephilim, the Nephilim, the Nephilim, the falafel. As I've been doing lately, I went through definitions, I looked at some names, I looked at different words that match. Actually found this way more. We've actually seen this a couple of times, not knowing that these words meant Nephilim.
Cristina: Really.
Jack: They've actually been mentioned. This is not the first instance, but there's an issue here that I did not know. But luckily I'm not the first person to look into this little doohicker. So let's talk about some of the finer details associated with the Nephilim. I don't have a radio voice. And that's frustrating because a lot of people do that thing where they feel obligated to have a radio voice. And everything they do sounds like this, you know, And I. I feel left out because I sound too human. And I like that ro. I like that robotic level of excite.
Cristina: You want to do that throughout the whole episode.
Jack: It's impossible to sustain. How much cocaine must I do, you know, like, get the h*** out of here. Anyways, so the Nephilim, simple basics of the Nephilim, they are a hybrid between Elysians and human, which are two different types of Earthlings. Things we know related to the Nephilim. They are. It's considered a criminal offense to breed with humans by the Alicians. Like the Alicians consider that a crime, as we know, because Azazel was convicted of having been breeding with Egyptian women. And so he was imprisoned. And after his imprisonment, he joins the shadow gods.
Cristina: That's why he was in prison for.
Jack: Yeah, he was imprisoned for.
Cristina: I don't remember.
Jack: Pregnant Egyptian women. Oh, well, because it is illegal, which is interesting. Why is it illegal?
Cristina: Is it okay to have sex with them if they don't get pregnant?
Jack: I think. I think so. I think it's getting them pregnant that's illegal.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Which is like. Okay. They're tools, I guess. I guess so. The word Nephilim and the word giant get used interchangeably in many, many, many, many, many, many texts. This includes some of the big hitters. Hindu texts, Christian texts, Judaish texts, Islamic texts, and Celtic texts. Giant. Oh, I'm Greek giant, kind of anywhere that you look seems to be used interchangeably with the word Nephilim.
Cristina: But do they use it the same way? Like, are these giants in all these stories created from things that shouldn't be together? Gods and humans or whatever?
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Oh, what?
Jack: Yep. That was like. That was gonna be the big conclusion I was gonna get to. That was literally gonna be the big conclusion I was gonna get to. Yes, that is the weird part. And there's a perfect example of Loki in this instant having a child with a giant and then resulting in these creatures.
Cristina: He makes giants.
Jack: He makes giants. He. No, he mates with humans as he's a giant.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: He meets with humans and then he breeds these things, like the World Serpent, which we found out is not really the World Serpent, but I mean, it's not really a child of Loki. As opposed to a child of Oros?
Cristina: Yes. Okay, what about that giant horse? Is that his.
Jack: Yeah, that's his child's woe. But yeah, so that was a really weird realization, the fact that. Yeah, there's consistency across all of this. They're used interchangeably. And it seems like every instance of the mentioned giant is actually referring to a Nephilim. And the process to get there seems to be the same. So the word giant shows up, but always in title and rarely in size.
Cristina: What do you mean rarely in size?
Jack: It's never describing their size. It's always describing. It's a title. Giant is a title, not a descriptor.
Cristina: So they're not all giant.
Jack: Not one of them, really. Ooh, that's a. Not one of them. It's harder to find an instance. So this suggests a definition of giant in ancient texts is actually closer to the definition of Nephilim, which is son of the greats.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Or merge or hybrid of the greats, something along those lines.
Cristina: But not actual giants.
Jack: Okay, not actual giants. Barely ever. It was one mention, and it was under the word warrior. And this was in Jewish texts, and it's under the word warrior in the Hebrew Bible. And the debate was whether the word warrior here was to mean giant or to mean nephilim. But it still happened that it most likely in that case, it just so happened to be that in that case, it probably just meant tall big guy.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But funny enough, even the word warrior sometimes just means nephilim.
Cristina: Oh, my gosh.
Jack: Yeah. So the most frequent definition found for the word giant had zero physical descriptors. And actually most often than not would be described. Giant was to describe immense strength, immense power, and a lot of times how quick they were to get angry, emotional. They were really rarely ever to describe size. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then philologist John Frederick. A philologist is a person who studies the history of language. Oh, it's funny you said falafel earlier, because it sounds just like it. But the philologist John Frederick Lindo, he was combing through and comparing and contrasting ancient texts, essentially looking for the same things that I'm looking for, on average. And he discovered this very fact, the fact that every time the word giant shows up, it's not in any instance referring to. To an actual giant.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So what makes this guy an actually credible source is that he attempts to disprove his findings and he actually finds it easier to find texts in which they're using the word giant to describe the offspring hybrid of. Or the hybrid offspring, I suppose, to some creature and humans. And oftentimes that creature seems to be human and it seems to be just greater than human, presumably the Elysians. Almost every time he finds it that much easier. And so chasing his little leads. I looked into that, and yes, that is correct. Almost every mention oftentimes leads to the word giant being a mistranslation. So that's a lot of giants in a lot of texts, if we were to assume, and it showed itself across all different major mythologies that this pattern exists. By the way, we're talking in Hinduism, we're talking Greek mythology, we're talking Christian mythology, Islamic mythology, all the Abrahamic religions that come from. So Christianity, Judaism, Islam, the Celtic religions. Almost everybody's using the. The word giant. We might be using the f****** word incorrect. Talking about big creature.
Cristina: They're not.
Jack: They're not. And this was quite largely the definition of the word they were using was the offspring. The Hybrid offspring of this greater other thing.
Cristina: Everybody Is the greater thing. Greater than just us, or is it greater than both us and the other thing?
Jack: No, no, no, wait. Oh, you mean the offspring. So that's unclear. That's unclear. But we're definitely going to walk into that in one moment because there are some theories I have about that.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Now, the Greek originally translated the word Nephilim from the Hebrew texts into giants. They were the first to do that back in the day.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And then that spreads to the Hebrew texts and eventually the rewrites from older texts. So this is actually part of the.
Cristina: Greek of changing the words meaning.
Jack: Yeah. And this is just random edit that got moved through time, essentially. Now, what I find interesting about this, the Greek texts being the ones that altered all these other things. There is a Saint Arnold who's a Jew, and Saint Arnold the Jew, or let me put this a different way, he's a Greek who happens to have been born in Israel. So he's ethnically Jew, not necessarily religiously Jew, but seems to be writing texts in all instances for the Catholic religion, except for this one instance in which they were assisting in writing the Greek mythology. And he's responsible for the trade off of the word Nephilim to the word giants that just so happened to then affect all the major religions. Afterwards, I found that weird and suspicious.
Cristina: Why?
Jack: Because somebody from the region that the Elysians are from changed a word that made everybody completely alter how they speak.
Cristina: About that is strange. Okay, so you think it has to do with them, though, that they were hiding the fact?
Jack: Yeah, I think that.
Cristina: What are they called again?
Jack: The Aletians. Yeah. I do think that St. Arnold is essentially suppressing or assisting in the suppression. St. Arnold might not even really be an Israeli. That might just be an Elysian.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You know, or at least related enough in the way the St. Peter was.
Cristina: Elysians look like humans, though.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Okay, they do.
Jack: They are bronze skin, light eyes, as far as the descriptors go.
Cristina: Okay, but they seem pretty human.
Jack: Yeah, they seem pretty human. It's just some like. Oh. It's like the difference between looking at a mortal and looking at Zeus and they go immortal looks mortal. Zeus looks like a person, but he also looks like an immaculate, perfect version of that.
Cristina: Okay, like vampires.
Jack: Yeah, just fit. But vampires could look imperfect, you could have scars and you could have this figurements. A God is just born perfect. So, like, that's essentially how the descriptors seem to make out the elisions and white hair. I don't know. Why everybody has white hair. It's white hair. Bronze skin and light eyes.
Cristina: White hair is something. Whoa. That's weird. Okay.
Jack: Yeah. With bronze skin. That's odd. And the light eyes could either be green or blue. Just very light.
Cristina: That's very strange because they're always underwater. Like, how does that affect any of it? Brown skin?
Jack: Like, brown skin. What do you need that for?
Cristina: Are you getting bronze skin though?
Jack: Yeah. What do they need it for? Why do they have so much melanin if you're never getting sunlight?
Cristina: Weird. Okay.
Jack: Or maybe they have artificial light being made in this way. I don't even know. There has to be a way that this is beneficial somehow. Anyways, yeah, I'm very suspicious of Saint Arnold and. Yeah, so because of this. Actually, the. This is. I will tell you the exact moment that is suspected. This happened because of the alteration of the word Nephilim to giant in the Greek text being translated into Latin. Which is interesting that this guy knows Latin if he is a Jew. Whose side are you on, bro? You're Jew writing some Greek mythology into Latin. Which group do you want to belong to? He said yes. Anyways, so, yeah, St. Arnold's suspicious guy. And because of the Greek that have moved the word and made it to giants from being Nephilim, but also the Greek being the same people who've described the Titans as being these colossal creatures, but giants being colossal creatures. In later texts of Greek mythology, these two things get merged. And it's believed that the giants of Greek mythology are the Titans of Greek mythology. But these are not the same people.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Those are actually two different groups of people.
Cristina: What are the Titans?
Jack: The Titans are some other thing.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: While the.
Cristina: The Titans are actually giants or.
Jack: No, I guess it would have to be. Right.
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: And this actually comes back to Norse mythology, where we know that there are two types of giants. Ice giants and normal giants. I think one of those is actually giants.
Cristina: One of them is.
Jack: And one of them is Nephilim. Hence why so many cultures have two types of giants. It's not two types of giants.
Cristina: Yes. They're just. The word has gotten confused.
Jack: The word has gotten confused. And we're actually seeing Nephilim be mentioned everywhere.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: That's why we weren't seeing it, because it's been warped and edited thanks to freaking Saint Arnold, who somehow had enough influence in this one change that later affected everything else.
Cristina: Interesting.
Jack: The plot of thickens. So there are three mentions in the Hebrew Bible that are of note, and there are two that are well, there are three mentions and there are two that are of note. The first one is directly before the events of Noah's Ark. Now let me establish what this means. The mention of Nephilim occurs and then almost instantaneously after the mention of Nephilim in the Hebrew Bible, the need for the flood arrives. I found that interesting, but I moved forward until I found the second mention, the third insignificant. It's just casually mentioned. That's the one with the word warrior. It was more about a debate of whether this is referring to the Nephilim or referring to the literal word giant, in either case, not using the word that it's referring to. But the second dimension is an instance in which it refers to them as Anakim, which becomes useful in a moment. The Quran also has giants referencing the Nephilim. That word means Nephilim. And in the Quran we actually get a text that then later makes a correction to this and refers to the Nephilim in Islamic as the Ad.
Cristina: What does that.
Jack: What it translates to Nephilim. And Nephilim translates to sons of gods. Okay, so the Ad, which is Islamic for Nephilim. And now we got enough information for me to dive in. I'm like, okay, I've gotten a couple mentions. I know what some of these are. Let's dive deep. So two different spellings for Nephilim are N E F I L I M or N E P H I L I m. Both of those say Nephilim. We have the Anakim, we have the odd. We have the word giants. And all of those are used interchangeably, it seems in all of the mythologies and religions of the world collectively, everybody agrees giants equals nephilim.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Now in Enoch's the Book of Jubilees, he states that ridding the earth of the Nephilim was the reason for the flood. Interesting.
Cristina: That's the reason for the flood.
Jack: That's the reason for the flood. What was the flood really? And there's only one group of people we know with the resource and energy to do such things. I looked to see when on average the flood occurred. And the flood occurred about 2,500 years before Christ, which puts this at the peak of, not the peak, but sort of at the uprise of quite a couple of places and sort of around the same time, surprisingly, that Azazel gets booted. So there's some correlation happening there. Along with that, it seems to be either exactly 5,000 years. Not literally exactly, I'm being. But, you know, two to three years difference from exactly 500 or exactly a thousand year range from major events with the furthest being exactly 10,000 years from a previous event that happened 12,000 years ago. So it happens for whatever reason to be interval mathematically about 500 years intervals from major events that this occurred and we get a bunch of flooding. I don't know what that means. Some numerology right here, if that matters in your life.
Cristina: It does not. I don't get it.
Jack: I don't get it. That was a weird pattern that somebody mentioned and I looked it up and I was like, oh, that's interesting. Weird occurrence, but random. Yeah, absolutely random. But somebody had noted that, like, yeah, this seems to be almost exactly this range. And I'm like, all right, let me look. It's like, oh, okay, that's weird.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Just an odd fact about Nephilim and the possibility that a giant flood 2500 years before Christ was somehow timed perfectly with a bunch of other major events, which I don't know how the h*** that would even happen.
Cristina: No.
Jack: But yeah, that's Enoch's end of that. So now I looked into the odd, followed that as well.
Cristina: Which is the odd again.
Jack: The odd is the Islamic word for nephilim.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And following up on the Quran's mention of the odd, they gave us a location for where we can find a group of them. And they are in Arabia as refugees from Persian pursuit and persecution, which, okay, the Arabians are not part of Persia. And this comes from old Arab texts.
Cristina: The Nephilims are being pursued, not pursued.
Jack: But they're fleeing here as refugees to avoid pursuit. So according to ancient Arabic texts, they agree with. Oh yeah, some special people from Persia came over to where we are and we welcomed them to live over here peacefully because they weren't welcome over there. And then we think about the fact that we know that they literally made it illegal and you're like, okay, so there's a settlement of Nephilim in Arabia. They're out there like the Naga. Just a small location like the Naga, but well hidden.
Cristina: Or like stories about them.
Jack: Yeah, it's there. They're hidden, they're seen walking around, blending in to people on average when needed. They have special abilities, extra strength.
Cristina: They don't look anything unique either.
Jack: Yeah, they could just.
Cristina: They probably look even more human than without.
Jack: Like, yes, they can. They got mixed DNA.
Cristina: Yep. Yeah.
Jack: Okay, so they're more easily blended into the population, which allows them to go unseen.
Cristina: They have abilities.
Jack: They have abilities. They're incredibly strong, incredibly fast. They. And they're quick to anger. But they tend to. You know, they're still people, so they can cycle, good or bad. So there's some good ones, there's some bad ones. This reminds me of in Full Metal Alchemist, the people of Ishmael, and how there were good ones and bad ones. The people with the red eyes.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: There were good ones and bad ones, just like there are for anyone else. But the group of people seeking them in fear of them saw them all equally.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Something that's very similar in this instant in which there are Nephilim, you know.
Cristina: Who are just being killed off because.
Jack: They'Re just bad guys. Then there's good ones, too. The majority, they just want to live. They're trying to live.
Cristina: But we're not killing them off because they're good or because. I mean, they're. Because they're bad.
Jack: Why are they running away? We're not killing them all.
Cristina: No.
Jack: Why are the Alicia. Why are they running from the Alicians?
Cristina: The Elysian wants to kill them off.
Jack: Yeah. So they come hiding amongst us.
Cristina: But they're. They're not killing them because they're good or bad, though. They're killing them because of what they are, I guess, which is. I'm not really sure what it is, because what makes them a threat or something That's.
Jack: That's what's confusing to me. Like, what is the point of them this being illegal?
Cristina: Like, Jesus. Type of magic, are they?
Jack: No, there's no magic involved. They're just biological.
Cristina: Yeah. So why kill them?
Jack: I don't know. It's really weird. Right.
Cristina: I understand that. Maybe the whole making it illegal to mate with them, that's weird. You shouldn't probably mate with something similar to you that's obviously beneath you, like an ape or something. Don't do that. But, like, why are you gonna murder that baby, that weird human ape baby you just had with that ape?
Jack: And that is weird when you put it into perspective like that, because if you consider.
Cristina: Because that's what's happening.
Jack: Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Ultimately, that's what's happening. It's like if.
Cristina: Unless there's a deformity.
Jack: No, listen, it's 100% like. You're totally right. I'll paint you the picture. I have a lab. I am a very successful scientist, and I experiment with apes all the time. And then I successfully managed to acquire a team of apes that are just smart enough to help run machinery and things, and I can teach them and try to communicate with them in the process of working with them so consistently. But then I Fall in love with this female ape. There are laws in place preventing me from sticking my d*** inside this ape.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Bestiality is illegal.
Cristina: Yeah. So it makes sense. It's illegal for them.
Jack: I get it. Yeah. Okay.
Cristina: But I still don't understand killing the child. Unless it's like there's something wrong with the child that they feel like it needs to die.
Jack: I don't know. It's really weird. It really is. And if you had a child with.
Cristina: An ape, I'm sure that child would be horrifying. Like there would be something wrong with it that you'd want. You would want to kill it because like it's. It's life would be miserable.
Jack: But this is a. This is a town, a settlement of people who are Nephilim hiding. This isn't just a bunch of deformities, as far as I know.
Cristina: As far as you know, they could be like. Like when we used to kill people who were different because they. They were special. But I feel left handed.
Jack: I feel like this would have popped up looking at it, that they're hideous monstrosities or deformed or freaks of nature or some. Not just no mention of anything like that whatsoever. That's too prominent to just like be glossed over.
Cristina: Maybe there's something for like to compare them to giants.
Jack: Maybe that's how you're not being compared to giants. That's entirely due to that word confusion that happened thanks to some creepy random.
Cristina: You don't know anything about them unless you do know something about them.
Jack: No, there's actually very little on this. This is what I'm saying. I'm not even going. I'm not even assuming that there's something like there's very little on any Nephilim. But following up on the mentions, we locate a settlement of them living in secrecy among the people of Israel. That's the Anakim.
Cristina: That's the name of the people.
Jack: Yes. This was mentioned in the Bible, which was the second mention in the Hebrew Bible. And they referred to them a settlement of giants, the Anakim. And that's hidden right there in Israel, which is part of Persia.
Cristina: I just think it's so weird that they want to kill them. Like they. If the whole Bible story of flooding the earth to get rid of them is true.
Jack: What? Why?
Cristina: Why? Why, why are they hiding? Why are they being killed off?
Jack: What? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like, what's the point? What is. What is happening? Just. Okay, you don't cast a person out and then don't deal with it anymore. Why go out of your way to eradicate them. Like there's some other problem happening there. Why can't you just ignore them? Is it because you don't want the DNA continue to roll out this way?
Cristina: Gotta be something wrong with that DNA. Maybe. I don't know.
Jack: I don't know either. You think they've gone to the point where reproducing by natural means is impossible and so they can only reproduce effectively without destroying something scientifically through inseminations and things of that nature. It was actually an episode of Star Trek like this that they looked for people who had genetic material that they can use to add to the population. Because they had run out. They've exhausted by copying and they become copies of copies of copies of copies of copies. And everybody on the planet is the same, like six people. So they needed to add new genetic material in order. And when our heroes arrive, the Z Fighters. When the Z Fighters arrive to this new space civilization. Yeah.
Cristina: Dragon Ball Zone. Star Trek.
Jack: I was. And then I added the heroes from Dragon Ball Z. They're also in space.
Cristina: They're aliens.
Jack: Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Star Trek. They could totally come across, like, they come across Q. What stops them from coming across, like, Goku. Although if you come across Goku, you got some problems because you know something crazier is about to happen anyways. It's easier to find mention of them than it is to find anything they've done. We'll come across, oh, that thing was a giant. Or this thing was a giant. And then we. Can you cross reference a bunch of other texts and be like, oh, yeah, this means Nephilim. We have very little activity from the Nephilim. There's a couple of stories and we're going to dive into those in the future.
Cristina: Ah, boo.
Jack: It's nothing impressive. It's not even worth it might into something. Which is why we'll go through it. But we need a collection of them because it's essentially not useful enough on its own. So I think exciting to talk about. There's just instances of the parents of these individuals being exciting and always going and banging some human mortal. And then here we got one.
Cristina: Yeah. Okay.
Jack: There's never like. The Nephilim themselves are very prominently considered rejects amongst most texts.
Cristina: There must be a reason why.
Jack: There must be a reason why. And considering the Norse knew of a place on Earth where giants came from, which was Jotunheim, I decided to look in that direction as well to see what the Norse individual knew of Jodenheim. And so one. Yes. First I was looking at what other descriptors they were using to describe talking about or I guess writing about the people of Jotunheim, the giants. And it seems that yes, in that instance too, they were quite elite. Elite people comparable to gods just beneath them, oftentimes the offspring of those really great and those really normal, leading to an entire civilization of giants, unquote, which basically just sounds like more Nephilim.
Cristina: And following that, the Nephilims make more Nephilims. Question mark. I don't know.
Jack: If two Nephilim were to mate. Yes.
Cristina: Yeah, I don't know what that means, but okay.
Jack: Yeah, that would just have a child who's also half and half. Like if you had a non Nephilim, I guess you'd tilt it in the direction of whatever that is. Like if a Nephilim mated with a human, the child would be more human than it would be more whatever whatever. But two Nephilims together would still have a child that's half and half. So they'd just make more Nephilim. But looking into it takes us to the northernmost islands of Norway where there is an island named Himmel Tinden, where there is a large settlement of Nephilim living considered to be the home of Nephilim. Interesting enough what we get last time on Dragon Ballsy. The dude named like who goes north. And then from north arrive the people who claim to essentially be Alicians, but there's something off about it. And like where'd you go? North. That doesn't check out. That's north though.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So they weren't actually Alicians, they were Nephilim.
Cristina: They had Alician tech.
Jack: Well, they weren't. No. Sort of. I don't know. It's complicated, right. Because Mananan is a clean elation and Mananan doesn't have a problem with the rest of these people. And Monanan joins this group of people. Are these people the same as the Nephilim who are not liked and presumably as Mananan is a literal high ranking elation in the way we are used to. Why would it be cool?
Cristina: It doesn't make sense.
Jack: Exactly. Thought about it. Yeah, it doesn't. There's some conflicting information here because it's the only source of elation. Anything I could find that named could have gone to. I still don't know what the h*** was up north that he went to. And then these people came from the north and they're like Elysian. But I do know that they came from the north after Nemed went up north and I know that these Nephilim were up north in the islands of Norway. Hamel Tinden, the Ellen Hamilton.
Cristina: How do you know they weren't killed off by Alicians and then they took their place or something? I don't know.
Jack: That would be crazy. And I don't know why they would take their place as opposed to just kill them off and keep it moving. That'd be extra weird.
Cristina: Maybe they just like the way they live. I don't know. I don't know.
Jack: And then say that they're offspring.
Cristina: That's weird. That's. That's very.
Jack: Based on how they're describing it, it sounds like they might be Nephilim. But then the idea here is where did you go and why is Mananan with you? That's what's messing it up. Because we're the offspring. How are you both Elysian and the offspring of named. Do you see the problem there? Nephilim, man. Just based on. What the h***?
Cristina: Yes. Well, why didn't. Why was he cool with them?
Jack: I don't know. Which means this guy did in fact go up to the island of Norway. He was actually there because based on what they said. Yes. If they are both Elysian and they are ancestors of the Nemedians, then what.
Cristina: The h***, Maybe they're not first generation of Nephalem. So they're okay. Like after a certain point you don't kill them. You just need to kill the actual ones. And then like, they only have a problem with the ones that are the offspring. And the people who I guess have sex with humans are a problem. But besides those two, anything under that is okay.
Jack: Anything underneath, like the children of.
Cristina: Children of. Children of the Nephilim are okay. But if it was like the first generation of Nephilims, that would have been a problem. He would have killed them.
Jack: Well, this is. This is where I believe we have confusion. Right. Because the argument here would be that the Nemedians that went north didn't mate with the Nephilim, they mated with Alicians.
Cristina: No, I think they made it with Nephilim.
Jack: You think they made it with Nephilim? Yeah, I think this place of Nephilim existed prior and the Nemedians went up to there instead of the Nemedians going up there and then mating with Elysians, which would then allow us to both have a settlement of Elysians and a settlement of Nephilim.
Cristina: Because then why would he be okay with them? Why would it be okay? No, because the Elysians would want them dead. Unless these are the worst Elysians that are okay with Nephilim breeding.
Jack: Well, no, the argument here would be, and this is just the thought I'm having at this moment, what if there are some secret Nephilim living amongst the Elysians? How would the Elysians tell? Is there a tell?
Cristina: Is there a tell?
Jack: Is there a tell?
Cristina: There might be a tell if, like, they don't have blonde hair or whatever.
Jack: Interesting. Yes. If they don't have. It's not even blonde hair, it's silver.
Cristina: Silver, okay. That's crazy.
Jack: Yeah, it's silver hair. It's like really, really silver eyes and then bronze skin.
Cristina: No way do they look exactly like that once they mix with a human. No way.
Jack: So they have to lose some of these characteristics, which inherently just makes it so they can't be.
Cristina: Yeah, Unless you have stories where they couldn't tell, like, if there was something to hint to, like they're indistinguishable.
Jack: No, man. I just got three different cities where there are places that they live. We got three different locations that they live. We have different words for who describes them. And in the future, we're going to have a couple of stories, none of which seem blatantly exciting or anything.
Cristina: I'm hoping to find details describe any of them, even the teeny bit they look like people.
Jack: Most descriptors look like people.
Cristina: They look more human than whatever, then. Yeah, I think so.
Jack: The Nemedians did not go. They did go north, but they made it with Nephilim, which means they're the ancestors of existing Nephilim. But why would they continue to refer to themselves as Leash and them, if they are less.
Cristina: That's cool.
Jack: They're less elation, so. But then they come down and they still have overpowered elation tech. This doesn't work.
Cristina: Why not?
Jack: So the Nephilim that were there had a.
Cristina: Well, maybe they're protecting themselves with elation tech.
Jack: Fascinating.
Cristina: Like, they. They. Even though they love Elysians because, like, that's the top of the top, they also fear them because, like, we're gonna. They're gonna kill us.
Jack: Yes, interesting.
Cristina: But they're the top of the top. Like, why wouldn't you? Well, they adore them. I think. Not Adore. That's a weird word. But, you know, like.
Jack: But what about their parents, is my question. Are their parents outcast Aletians living amongst the Nephilim?
Cristina: If they're not dead already, they can't go home. No, because then they'd be killed.
Jack: So they're not killed, but they'll be imprisoned.
Cristina: Oh, imprisoned.
Jack: Azazel was imprisoned.
Cristina: Oh, yeah. But are they imprisoned for life? Or is it like, okay, you've done your time. You can go.
Jack: Well, no, Azazel was. Yeah, Azazel was allowed. No, he could have stayed there. He chose to leave.
Cristina: Yeah, okay.
Jack: He could have stayed there. He served this time, and he could have stayed there, but he decided to leave.
Cristina: Okay, so as long as you serve time for the punishment.
Jack: Yeah. Like, if you do the thing and then you come back to your home, they're arresting you, so the best bet is don't go back home.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So you made it with some Non Elysians, and you are a lesion. Don't go back home. You will go to jail. Prison, I suppose.
Cristina: Okay, I guess that makes sense.
Jack: Yeah. But then what we have named going north and mating with some Nephilim who have Elysian technology. And then they come down to face the Furbolg, which are also just Nemedian ancestors, but human with human. And then they go and they share Ireland. And so we just have the ancestors of Nephilim living in Ireland. The Nephilim. One settlement living up north in Norway, and then one settlement in Arabia, and then one settlement in Israel. There are a couple of Nephilim settlements. These are just talking about the major things. I know. There's mention in a million other places.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: They're everywhere. No, they're just everywhere. That means they're everywhere is what I'm saying.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: The conclusion is, whoa. The thing we've been looking for mentions of actually, is everywhere. We were just not understanding.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Anyhow, so that's what I got. A couple of mentions of Nephilim, a couple of different words that have always meant Nephilim, where it got altered and Nephilim here in the Nephilim there.
Cristina: Maybe why it's been hidden. Maybe.
Jack: Well, I don't know why they would hide the Nephilim if they themselves are trying to get rid of the Nephilim.
Cristina: That's true. I don't know.
Jack: There's no need to protect. Why.
Cristina: They did the same thing with Jesus. They swapped. They made his story all weird.
Jack: Fair enough. Maybe it is just about hiding, because it does also come back to hiding the. Their own existence.
Cristina: That's the most important thing.
Jack: Yeah. Because if we know that Nephilim are real, then we know they're real, and then we go and pursue them. But if Nephilim don't exist, that's. Well, they don't exist either.
Cristina: Yeah, we just think they're just Giants, like what's it. That's just a creature. That's. That doesn't mean anything.
Jack: Exactly. It means nothing. It's just. Oh, big guy.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Which St. Arnold's weird guy. You come out of nowhere. You are allegedly a Jew and you're translating some Greek mythology into Latin. What? Not Hebrew.
Cristina: Why?
Jack: Because he's Hebrew.
Cristina: Don't they already have it in Hebrew? No, I don't know.
Jack: I don't. What I mean, probably, but don't they already have it in Latin?
Cristina: Probably.
Jack: What is he doing? I don't know. But odd Saint Arnold over here and thank you shout out to freaking philologist John Frederick Lindo, who's on a weird a** path as well. I don't know what the h*** out here. Looking at something.
Cristina: Did he make any connections that were important besides that giants are not giants?
Jack: No, that was his contribution to the sea. He figured out that giant does not mean giant.
Cristina: All right.
Jack: And that like it most likely means Nephilim, which, you know, son of gods.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It seems to be that that's most frequently the case. Yeah. So, yeah, I don't know what the case might be. And in the future we're going to have some stories, events, all the mentions that we can get a hold of in which there's actual action going on, things that might enlighten other situations, bare minimum related to the Nephilim. That's the goal here. They have tech. I'm very confused about what's happening with the Med, to be honest, because he did go north and then Elicians came down. North are Nephilim.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So I don't know. But they do say they're the ancestors.
Cristina: Exactly. That makes it of the Alicians.
Jack: They must be Nephilim. Yeah, but they wouldn't claim. I don't think they would claim to be Elysian.
Cristina: Why?
Jack: Because you don't want to go around saying you're elation. And then the Elysians keep track of all their people and they know you're not elation, which means you're. You're the other thing. You would instead say you're human so that you blend in more. I guess you don't want to be spotted or known or anybody know where you are.
Cristina: But if a true Alician was on that island, they would want. Want. They would want to not pretend either. Like they.
Jack: No, a true elation would just claim to be an Elysian.
Cristina: Yeah, but he's on that island, isn't he?
Jack: Who?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Well, this is what's actually throwing the story for a Loop. Because if Mananan then actual Elysians, if not Mananan, then potentially. Yeah, they could totally be Nephilim. But we know that Mananan himself is a pure elation.
Cristina: Yes, but maybe he doesn't have a problem with them because they're not first generation Nephilims.
Jack: And you think that's good enough? They're just human.
Cristina: Yes. Like after a certain point it doesn't really matter. Just killing off the their. I guess. But I don't know why. I mean, he's too busy to go to the north and kill their parents and whatever. He's not that type of person. Maybe question.
Jack: He has duties.
Cristina: He's got other duties.
Jack: Yeah, it's job to do.
Cristina: Yeah. And probably. They probably didn't reveal where that place besides saying it's north. They probably weren't specific. They probably didn't give him the details, knowing what he is.
Jack: Find that if they needed to.
Cristina: But. Yes, but also they want to live in peace with this guy. You probably wants their parents dead.
Jack: Maybe. No, it's a. I was gonna say that maybe they just didn't tell him. But they told everybody. That was the point. Yeah, and say that would have totally made it. But no, they're saying we're elation. No, it doesn't work. Because then they would be more human than anything. Why would they come down and say we're elation? It doesn't work. There's something wrong. It doesn't work. There's something wrong here.
Cristina: They're not Alicians.
Jack: They're not. They're not Alicians. They're not. But Mananan is.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So the. No, this is. This is really where we're getting f***** up. The island of Norway. Or not of Norway, but the island up at Norway are not Elysians. Those are Nephilim. Yes, but Mananan and everybody surrounding him are Elysians.
Cristina: Yes, factually, yes.
Jack: The people who arrive are one or the other. And we don't know because Maranan seems to arrive in this story with them.
Cristina: He does.
Jack: No. I mean, no, not. He doesn't literally arrive.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: These people get sent and they show up where he is.
Cristina: Exactly.
Jack: What I meant is he's from the same place. These people are from up north. No.
Cristina: Okay, then the people who show up.
Jack: Come from up north. Okay, but they were sent there from some other task they were already taking part in. In there from where he is Atlantis.
Cristina: Why do you think that?
Jack: Because that's what's said.
Cristina: But I thought they just said that they were ancestors of Alicians.
Jack: They were ancestors of the Nemedians and Elicians up north. And up north there were people already studying these. Had to be. Oh wow. I didn't realize there was a huge hole there. There was a hole last time we were talking about this. How are you both ancestors and sent to assist Mananan after That doesn't make sense.
Cristina: They were sent to help Mananan.
Jack: They were sent to help Mananan. I don't know.
Cristina: Because they're probably not first generation. They're probably way past.
Jack: How are they taking orders from the Elysians?
Cristina: Because maybe they're accepting of them.
Jack: No. It makes no sense.
Cristina: They're just not accepting of the first.
Jack: This makes no sense. Why your argument is this island in Norway has Nephilim that are rejects. Then those Nephilim reproduce and now the Elysians who rejected the parents are like nah. But we're cool with you guys.
Cristina: Yeah. As long as you're not breaking room.
Jack: So you gotta go there and get to know them and then tell them we have orders for you. Who your parents we've ignored. We came here to communicate with you who have less in your blood of us than than your parents do. We need you to go do this mission. Here's our tech that your parents are way better suited to use. This doesn't make any sense. That's not the what played out.
Cristina: It doesn't make sense. It makes the most sense.
Jack: It does not make the most sense.
Cristina: Yes it does.
Jack: Doesn't even a little.
Cristina: It definitely does.
Jack: There's some huge hole here. And I believe that the people who did show up to assist named perhaps were actually Elysians. But that's confusing because the only place up north I can find is the Nephilim. Unless those Nephilims are dead and replaced by actual Alicians.
Cristina: Yes. That's the only two things. I guess it's either they're cool with the ancestors or not answers. Children's. Children's. Children's Whatever.
Jack: Because Mananan is an Elysian.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And these people who showed up to assist our ancestors problem.
Cristina: It's awkward.
Jack: There's something wrong.
Cristina: I know. Maybe these stories will help us find something.
Jack: Yeah. I have to look into it. I have to find out. I don't know, man. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. It's a weird one. That is.
Cristina: There has to be an answer somewhere.
Jack: Well, hopefully we can super obvious. And we just looking through some of these stories relative to these guys.
Cristina: Hopefully we can figure it out.
Jack: Yeah. Now. Okay. Because now There's a reason to look at the stories and try to see what specifically looking at these instants surrounding the Nemedians. The Nemedians have some odd inconsistencies that need to be sorted out. Hopefully it just gets resolved and brought down to just being some word confusion like the rest of this maybe which is the most likely possibility and just so confusion textualistic.
Cristina: We'll figure it out.
Jack: Out. We're gonna figure it out anyways. If you guys have anything to tell us about this information. You got input, perspective or anything of the sort, question, comments, concerns, whatever. Fan art. Yeah, sure, send us fan art. You can message us any of these things at just convo pod on X, on Instagram, on Facebook, on Tick Tock.
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Jack: Yes. And tell people about the show. Word of mouth is the most overpowered thing that has ever existed in the history of humanity. To be sure to use your voice.
Cristina: This has been the rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.
Jack: Bye. It was probably about fear cause a thing cause some fears hold of them. The chaos people stood up. You were. You didn't expect that. People rose up like oh no, we're do this together. It's like what the oh, we didn't see that coming. Now we can't just confiscate. Now we got to fight the people for it. We didn't think about that. But you're not thinking at all as a problem. So they gotta debate and argue. The people of Hawaii. You thought they were just going to roll over and and no, they're over here like no, this is our land and we will fight you and we will kill you for it. It's like oh, we didn't think about the fact that these are natives. We should have probably just done the this elsewhere.
Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.
