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Rambling 298: The Grounding of Stuff Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised. Jack: Going live in 5, 4. Cristina: What does live mean? Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack. Cristina: And I'm your host, Cristina. Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And I think we've been doing that successfully lately. Cristina: Yes. Jack: So last week and the show before then, we were trying to get to what I was trying to talk about this entire time, but we got busy grounding things because that's our job. And that sidetracked us from getting to our one and only goal that this week we're definitely, without a doubt, gonna get to, which is, again, the fill people in on everything. And we've been doing this for a very long time. All we ever haven't. Cristina: Yeah. I don't understand. We've been doing what we've been supposed to be doing. Jack: Well, because grounding is our job, we can easily get sidetracked into grounding things because everything is groundable, if that makes sense. Cristina: So then we've been doing our job. Jack: Yeah, yeah, it's. It kind of loops back and forward to some degree, but I think we have some pretty good Grady greatest hits when it comes to grounding things. I think the whole Elation saga was beautiful. There's a lot, but it's infinite. And like, that gets frustrating. I think finding independent creatures that aren't related to them dope, and many things that are related to them dope. And it's funny because a lot of that, even finding the Elysians, really began about trying to see what the h*** was happening at the Bermuda Triangle. Cristina: That's where it started. Jack: Yeah. We were trying to find out what was happening in the Bermuda Triangle and then looking into clouds. Cristina: And then I thought it started with the unicorns. Jack: Well, that led us to the Alicorn that Antonio Dracohan. And that's kind of technically, that's the beginning. If this was a movie, if this was structured into a movie, the way that it built up into the Elysians. Right. Not even talking about the Elysian specifically, but a meta look at the show we were originally looking at. I think it was. Oh, no. Because then we migrated to the Groundhog. We were just looking at creatures and we were breaking apart clouds. There were some weird cloud patterns that we wanted to look into. And so we went through an entire breakdown of clouds, and then we veered off. We knew that the something weird was happening with that collection of clouds on top of the Bermuda Triangle. So that Allured us. Do you remember that? Cristina: Yes, but I don't think that had anything to do with Alicia. Jack: Not yet. Cristina: That was part of whatever story we had before. Jack: Well, no, because we were trying to find out what was happening directly under them. What was. What were they there for? Why was there a collection of clouds over the Bermuda Triangle? And I think then we looked into the groundhog, which I don't know if he ever finished his training. Cristina: Was it. Yes, he was part of training. To talk to the clouds. To the clouds? To get the clouds to talk to the sun, I think. Jack: Yes, because the sun is technically a cloud, too. Cristina: I think we were trying to stop some impending something from the cat People. Jack: Yes. Maybe an invasion or something. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Oh, no, no. We were trying to originally. Originally find out what was happening with the other stars disappearing in the great void. Cristina: Oh, yes. Jack: And we would need to talk to the sun to do it, which we. Cristina: Would use with clouds, but we thought we could use the. What is it? The. The groundhog. Because he could communicate with the weather. Jack: Yes, exactly. Oh, man. Cristina: The last one just died. So we had to train a new one. Jack: Yes. We had to give him adrenochrome. Cristina: Yes. Jack: He was Phil, right? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: It was Steve. Philly is the one who died. And then Steve was his replacement. A random groundhog we just gave a bunch of adrenochrome and started training. Cristina: Secrets of hogs is that they always were taking adrenochrome. Jack: No, it was specifically the one for. The one that they were talking to. Cristina: Yes. Yes. The groundhog 00:05:00 Cristina: that was chosen for Groundhog Day is always taking a dream. Jack: But that one died. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And so we were training one the way they were doing because we accidentally killed Phil. Cristina: I think so. Jack: I don't remember how we killed Phil, but we killed Phil. I know that much. Cristina: I believe that is right. Jack: And then maybe they don't even know we replaced Phil. They don't know. They're just humans. And then we replace Phil with Steve, and they have no idea. And then secretly we've been training Steve in order to talk to the clouds so that the clouds. Specifically weather, I guess, which was also bouncing off of when we were talking about lightning as a component, but unrelated to the clouds, because those are two different individuals interacting. Cristina: Yeah. So that's the idea. And then we're gonna communicate with the planet somehow. Jack: And then we're gonna get. Go on and on Steve. To talk to the clouds. The clouds would talk to the sun. The sun would. But still, something weird was happening down there. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And actually, Steve wasn't going to talk to the cloud specifically. There was a cloud with a face that we were gonna go talk to. Cristina: And we needed. Jack: Yes, yes. And we needed Steve for that. Cristina: Okay. Jack: So we were specifically gonna talk to that one cloud. That's a cloud. God or some crap. A demi cloud. And he was gonna talk to the sun or something. Cristina: I guess so. Yeah. Jack: Cool. But in doing so, we were like, weird that these clouds have. They're like floating over the. The Bermuda Triangle. And so we veer off and we're looking at different underwater things. I know. We were doing that for a while and we stumble upon. Actually, no, we ignore that for a while because we did Bimini Road, which we didn't. We thought about, you know, leading into the. Again, from a movie's perspective. It saw us doing these things, and then it shows us going somewhere else and discovering a different clue. But the. The. The viewer knows. The viewer knows. It's like, oh, this is related. The Bimini is by the Bahamas. A little tiny road that we looked at a long time ago that had the statues underwater. And it was like, kind of aiming towards the Bermuda Triangle. And we're like, oh, yeah, they're definitely down there because of xyz. Reason we still didn't know that the Elysians are the Atlanteans. We're just like some other people over there. And then we started looking into the Persian Gulf oasis because we were doing Atlanteans in specific. We were still calling them Atlanteans until we got to Antonio Draco. Cristina: I feel like before him, we were talking about the equator. Jack: Yes. Which was another thing related to them, wasn't it? But again, we didn't know. We're just like this giant equator surrounding the Earth. And it looks like these places built along this line were all in communication with one another or in communication with some bigger governing body. But they were all in sync with us. We still haven't found out what the point of that was. I thought we did the whole equator line. I know that a bunch of them died out. Is it because it was the line which. Cristina: Like, which Satan went to give them the tech? I guess it's easier for him to travel in a straight line. Jack: Yeah, I guess. Or maybe delivery was easier between the countries. So, like, we keep passing it down the line. We're all next to each other and he doesn't have to personally deliver it. It'll always keep rolling down the path. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Or maybe the equator is just the line in which the civilizations were Gonna be built like they were starting there. So we see them as just. Cristina: But why did they choose that? Jack: I. Why versus, like become a bubble or. Versus, like anything? Squiggly line. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Why a straight line, Right? Cristina: Yes. Jack: I have a theory on that. And I think it has more to do with Hermes. If you look at a lot of Hermes research, there were a lot of these symbols. He was essentially, if you remember, he was building comprehensive, like transmutation circles with a bunch of detailed symbolism and junk as part of meditation and energy moving and whatever he was doing. I think similar to the Hedron Collider, which is probably one of those. I think this line surrounding the Earth was the beginning of a complicated design that maybe was to envelop the Earth or a design that does in fact envelop the earth. And we have only found that specific 00:10:00 Jack: version of it interesting. Cristina: If it relates like, was he murdering them? Like, did they die off or did he kill them? Jack: No, no, no. Oh, well, that's another interesting. Cristina: Because we know the first. There was a different line and no one made it from that other line. Jack: So you think the Kearney. No. But the equator is just where everything moves along. I guess they must have done it ahead of time. Interesting. Interesting. Look at it like this. Look at it like this. Because this does have to make sense to some degree. Right. The equator gradually shifts place. The globe exists. And the equator is always by itself moving simply because of how rotations work and whatnot. So what if the line is starting to catch up? But they built society there and never told them. These guys are always working in secrecy. And the equator slowly kept migrating to that line. Slowly kept until it lined up. We know that alignments matter. We know the solaces work in Castillo in order to bridge a gate that allows people to go into the Shadow Realm and teleport along. So that's. Alignments matter. Somehow. If they built civilization, let's say north to south and started the line west to east, and it was always moving clockwise. It would eventually migrate from west to east to north to south. If in that moment something happened. Great transmutation. And all those people died. Philosopher stones. This could explain why some of these structures are some of the oldest ever seen. Cristina: Yes, they were. They weren't building on that line when it was the line. No, they were just way before the. Jack: Build on the line. That was unreal. And nothing they could track. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Or understand. Cristina: But someone did. Jack: Yes. And in order to get them to do this successfully, they did need technology. Maybe it was never about sharing the Technology. And the way we think about it, for Lucifer, maybe Jehovah man, we jump back and forth here real hard. Cristina: Bad guy. Jack: Who's the bad guy? Cristina: Okay. But Lucy was doing something sketchy. Jack: He was doing something sketchy. He was doing something really ridiculously sketchy. Because everybody was gone. Cristina: Yes. Jack: There's nobody there at all. It's all 100% gone. All that really exists is the ruins to that. And Jehovah recorded is telling him no. He is like, but come on, bro. We need this. Cristina: Yes. But we know he at least did it or tried to do whatever it was that he did twice. Jack: Because when he went to Shadow Realm. Cristina: No, because there was an old equator line that is destroyed of ruins and stuff. Jack: And the newer one, the new equator line, has nothing built on it. Cristina: It has nothing built on it. Jack: No. Oh, the new equator line is just where the line kept moving to. Cristina: Oh. Only the old one had the ruins. Jack: Only the old one had the ruined lines. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: If there is, we don't know where because nobody's thought about this. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And maybe it would be trackable. Maybe major cities line up in a way we never thought about or something. And then one day, by default, because. Cristina: It could be more than one line. Through the Earth. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Around the earth. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: We just have to find. Jack: We would just have to find to connect the dots. Cristina: Yeah. And it has nothing to do with the equator. Just. We just need to see that pattern. Jack: But you know what's even scarier at this point, this means that 12,000 years ago, we weren't beginning to develop. We know that their technology was crazy, but they weren't beginning to develop immense technology. They were already at earth scale technology. 12,000 years ago, they could just, in one shot, boom, across the earth, kill everybody and make. Well, at least along the line of the equator. Maybe they didn't want to erase humanity. Cristina: That's what I was thinking. That the whole purpose of that would be so that not all of it was gone. Jack: So maybe they don't even need these factories like Epstein's Island. What the h*** is that for? Well, then again, where it's two different purposes. Cristina: Specific people. Jack: Yes. That's to drain. That's for adrenochrome. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Versus something like stone. The stones. So maybe they've been able to make stones casually, whenever they want. Cristina: Yeah. We just need to find more lines. Jack: We just need to find more lines. On the flip side, wars are an easy way, and they're clearly in charge of the government. Cristina: Somehow 00:15:00 Cristina: that seems more of adrenochrome. Than a stone thing? Jack: We don't know. Cristina: We don't know. Jack: We don't see. In some instances, we see the bodies, but in other wars, it's just like, oh, yeah, some private attack happened. And it's like, wow, really? Or is it only when we drop, like, bombs and we can't go look at the evidence? Like, that was probably no bomb. You guys are just showing us a bunch of. And really, at the end of the day, what happened was you guys made another stone. Cristina: Would the bodies disappear? Jack: The bodies would disappear. Cristina: Okay. Jack: If it's for adrenochrome, the bodies would stay. Cristina: Mm. That's why most of them has to be for adrenochrome. Jack: Have you seen the bodies in most of them? Cristina: I think someone has. Jack: How do you confirm that person was real and not just another person? Just saying. Oh, yeah, I saw it. Cristina: Oh. Jack: I bet North Korea makes stones regularly. Cristina: Who would know? Jack: I bet there's human farms there where they breed humans. Because nobody knows where they breed humans. And then just en masse. But you dilute the genetic pool if they're always just cattle. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And you're just making the. There's something about the more complex the life force. Well, the life form than the more complex life force. Yeah. What is the rule? The more complicated the life form, the more complicated the life force. The less complicated the life form, the less complicated life source. It began a long time ago at Butterflies or some s***. Weird. Because we discovered a bunch of adrenochrome before we found out it was connected. Cristina: Mm. Jack: We found it through butterflies. Well, we've heard about it here and there, stumble upon things kind of pointing in that direction, then when they looked at it, and we found that through butterflies, that was, like, the original, like, attempt. And then other people throughout history, which I remember specifically, we looked into that were figuring it out in other ways. The countess in the 1700s or 1600, somewhere around there. It could have been the 13th. Who the h*** knows who was killing her? Her maze. That was for adrenochrome. And so we found, again, adrenochrome somewhere else, and we didn't. She might have not known, and we might have not known. But, again, a bunch of people did, though. So maybe she was in the in group who knew about adrenochrome. And although the people who wrote about it didn't get it, she knew why she was doing it. She stayed young, and they were all, oh, yeah, she was using it for her skin. And that was. Make her stay young. And it's like, no she was drinking that s***, bro. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: That's why she actually. That's why it actually worked. F***. That's exactly why it worked. She was killing them b****** and drinking it. And they were. The people reporting on it didn't really understand. They thought she was bathing in it, but she was just putting it in the tub to have a source of it. Cristina: Ew. Jack: She could continue to drink. I guess she was vampiring the f*** out. And this has a lot to do with the area she was in. They probably thought vampirism worked this way. We interpret it in the horror movie style, but vampires are relatively new. They weren't. Cristina: Vampires are based on adrenochrome. Jack: Vampires are actually just based on Dracula, and Dracula ain't even that old, so. S***. You get my point. Like, there wasn't a concept of vampires back then. Their understanding of a vampire was crap. Like the Countess. And like, Dracula could have easily been based on the Countess in a castle. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Attracting maids. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And drink. Literally drinking their blood. Cristina: It's the same story. Jack: It's the same story. And we found the Countess and we found a couple of, like, old school serial killers who were doing the same thing. We. We did that for Halloween one. So we were just looking at weird instances like that. We have a couple of really good Halloween episodes. Cristina: Well, didn't do any this year. You got anything for right now, this. Jack: Moment to do some Halloween? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: No, I don't now. We didn't do it for this year, but next year we should hit all the holidays. Find. I mean, it's interesting to go look at something that we haven't looked at for a while and with new eyes and find something we missed before. Cristina: Yes. Have we ever did a Thanksgiving thing? Jack: We've done many Thanksgiving. Cristina: Oh, yes, we have. But we haven't talked about the turkeys that we save that we pardon. I don't get that. Jack: We pardon turkeys. Cristina: Yeah. The President pardons turkeys every year. Yeah. He puts them in a hotel, keeps them fed and happy, and then he, I guess, brings them in front of people like the, like. I don't know, like the groundhog. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: And 00:20:00 Cristina: it's like, these turkeys cannot be eaten. Eaten. Jack: They must die of old age. Cristina: Yes. And I don't know how anyone keeps track of that. Jack: I bet. I bet that's the turkey the President eats. Cristina: Oh, that's awful. Jack: I bet some president was a douchebag and did that. If that's not the case, somebody was like, you know what? This is a stupid tradition. I want that turkey President. But no, no. Replace the turkey. Nobody's gonna know. I want that turkey. I want to eat a famous turkey. Cristina: The one that you said can never be eaten. That's messed up. Jack: Why? What's the difference? How would anybody even know as long as the illusion persists? Cristina: I don't know. I feel like you'll get. You will not get away with it. Jack: I. I want to get away with it. And then on my deathbed as president, I'll be like, get cameras and everything. I'll be or ex president, however that works. And I'll be like, for the world to know I ate that turkey. Cristina: That's messed up. Jack: Boom, boom. Will anybody give up? Nobody's gonna give a. They're gonna be like, he ate a turkey. Cristina: They're gonna say, you're a monster. Jack: If they. If it happened, like, the next day that it came out, they would be like, oh, my God. Yay, though. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Right now, most of them send you. Cristina: To jail to rest, to live the rest of your life to. Jack: I'm. I'm on my deathbed. Cristina: Who cares? You're gonna be in your deathbed in a jail cell. Jack: That's. I mean, I guess it wouldn't matter to me. Cristina: It wouldn't matter to you? Jack: No, no, it wouldn't matter. I'm already dying. Like, what do I got? Days. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Like, spend the rest of my days in a place that has to take care of me for a fact. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Whoa. Cristina: But you'll be in orange or whatever color those suits are, and then they. Jack: Die in a box. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: That's cool. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Concrete box. Who else did we find that was using adrenochrome? Oh, we found some Greek stories with it. That was afterwards. That was after we found out the Elysians. When do we find out they were called the Aletians? Cristina: Probably to do with Greece or Egyptians or. I think it was Egyptian. Jack: I think it was in the text that the Egyptians had discussing the Elysians, because they also referred to them as the Sea peoples. Cristina: And so did the Greek. Not the Greeks, the Mayans. Mayans. Jack: We looked at Maya a bunch of times. We looked at my. A long time ago without knowing they were connected to the Egyptians. Cristina: And we also, like, recently found out that they have portals to the shadow realm. Yes, that we think. We were thinking there. Jack: No, we knew they had portals to the shadow realm. We found out recently they were crossing people regularly. Cristina: Yes. Yes. That's happening everywhere. Jack: Yes. Cristina: And we had no clue that was happening. Jack: Yeah, we looked at that. Didn't know that there was this Entire civilization there went like two years without having any idea. Meanwhile, we found the. The villages around the world, including the one in Puerto Rico. That's a really famous one. All these groups that are just mixed shadow realm, Earth realm creatures found out. Cristina: All those people that were talking crazy stories about, like, I'm afraid that my child's gonna be kidnapped by a fairy. And then we realize, oh, crap, there's. Jack: They're onto something. They're on to. They were. It wasn't fairies, but they were kind of on the market. Cristina: Yeah, they were. They were close. Jack: They were close. They were close. There's a bunch of creatures kidnapping children. So it was based on some interesting y. Cristina: They were insane. Jack: No, man. It is a kind of weird road that took us here. Adrenochrome was a weird one. We found that so many times because. Cristina: It'S the easiest way. Jack: Everything, even by accident. I really, really. I always think about the story about the wolves in the. In the battlefield and how they would go out and like, when they were starving because the battlefield scared off all the other creatures, so they had nothing to hunt, and they were just out there feeding on the freshly dead people. But those people were in war, bro. They had just unloaded their guns, had the guns unloaded on them, seen friends die, seen bombs go off maybe in that time, or depending when. When wars happened. Because this was in the, what, the 17, 1970s, 1917s, and another one again in the 1950s. So there was bombs already. And like, this resulted in some crazy creatures, bro. Yes, that's nuts. Werewolves, which then, in hindsight, kind of informs our older story when we looked into werewolves and we found out that the natives would dress up with the. Cristina: Fur of the wolves and then turn into wolves. Jack: Not turn tools, but run 00:25:00 Jack: around the woods. Cristina: There was some stories of people wearing wolf fur and then turning into wolves. Jack: No, that's what they thought they saw. That's what the people. The. The white man. Cristina: Oh, he saw. Jack: Because they would see the. The problem is that they were with wolves. The natives in these areas would be wearing the fur of their family members who were wolves. They lived in nature with the wolves, naturally, and so they would be wearing the wolf fur and the wolf would be seen by the people who lived around there. And then they would see shortly thereafter, a native wearing wolf stuff, and they think it's the same thing. That's where the original myth of the werewolf came from. But the actual real world equivalent is a werewolf, a wolf drinking adrenochrome and then resulting. Cristina: The werewolf is a Wolf becoming a man and not a man becoming a wolf. Jack: Exactly. It's not becoming a man, but kind of getting a more bipedal look. It's very Pokemon. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You know, just transformed and now it's bipedal for whatever reason. So. Yeah. Cristina: I don't know. I feel like there are some men that claim to have turned into wolves, though. But are those just crazy people? Jack: No, because we also have people that were turning in the things. Not everybody has exactly the same reaction, but it's more or less the same reaction. We've had men turning into wolves. No, I don't think we've ever had people turning into the wolves. Cristina: There's a guy, I think for the church, he was confessing that the devil made him dress up as a wolf, turn into a wolf to fight the. No, the church forced him to turn into a werewolf so he can fight the demons or something. There's some wild story like that. Jack: We talked about it on the show. Cristina: Yeah, it was before all of this. It's way in the past of just talking about creatures not connecting to anything. Jack: That was when we were doing werewolves one and two, right? Yeah, man, I don't even remember that. Cristina: Yeah. I think he was claiming that the church would turn him and like a bunch of other homeless people into werewolves to fight demons. Jack: What the. Well, I don't remember all that. Cristina: I don't know what that is. But I know that they do have weird stuff happening. Jack: We know because the Church does weird s*** all the time. Cristina: Yes. They have portals and they also have items. Sacred items. Jack: Yes, they do, actually. Cristina: Body parts. Magical body parts of saints. Jack: Yeah. They hoard all the things with power they could find. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: But later we found out that was entirely because they were trying to erase the existence of magic and. Which is really just really complicated science. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And the body parts and things are saving are. Because think about it. They're saving a cloth that was protecting Jesus and he came back to life in or something. And it's like. Well, that was some technology that was reviving him or whatever. Or that had like proof of some residue of some kind of compound that they don't need anybody to know exists, you know? Cristina: Okay. Jack: Of the fruit or something. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: So they. They keep all of these things. They either have some kind of ability attached to some complicated technology or whatever the case might be, and they confiscate it all and hide it. Cristina: That's crazy. Still. That's pretty crazy. Jack: And still they couldn't compete with actual Jesus. Cristina: Well, they're. They're either Helping him or hiding him? Jack: Why would they need to hide him? Cristina: Because they're working with the. The. I'm thinking fairies, but that's not the word. I'm thinking. Who, Who. What is he? Jack: What is who? Cristina: Jesus. Jack: He is an Elysian Alicia. Cristina: And they're either working with Jesus or the Elysians. Jack: The church. Yeah. I think. I think we have three parties. Cristina: You think they're separate? Jack: I think they're separate. I think there's more than three parties. I think party we actually. I think. I don't think we've ever broken this down. I think party number one is the Elysians and their homies, like the Mayans and the Egyptians. Group two is Jesus and whoever's backing him, which is unclear. Cristina: Shadow people. Question mark. Jack: Question mark. Because we don't know. Because group three is a shadow people with Lucifer and all those individuals. Because even the shadow people who've joined our Earth Realm teams, we're calling those as part of Jehovah's team. Okay, so those are the Elysians. We have the Elysians there with all those people, including the shadow realm people that are there. Then we have the shadow room people who are a separate entity entity 00:30:00 Jack: made up of many Elysians and humans who've been outcasted one to the shadow realm. We got Jesus. That's three main group tied up there. Then we have Mab and her group of people somewhere doing something that's hyper unclear to us. See, we all never know. Exactly. Then we have the Greek that randomly pop up and are like always keeping up. They're like Piccolo. They're always keeping up with Goku and like how. Okay, but they're always there. And we don't know if any of this or even if the Elysians themselves are in any way connected to the original top of that, which is Jehovah's father Yahweh and his father Eloi. And how. That we still don't understand the giant leap from all of that all the way back to Yaldabao and how any of them might connect to what's happening now. Cristina: Yes. And we have no idea anything about Hermes either. Jack: Hermes, he's like neutral party. It looks like he helped everybody do whatever. Yeah, he's such a central figure. Cristina: But he might have even helped Jesus Satan with the line. Jack: He might have. But we know many instances suggest he might have helped Lucifer. Cristina: Yeah. So that's interesting. Jack: It looks like he might have helped Lucifer. It looks like he might directly be the teacher of Jesus. Yeah, it looks like he gave a johor who Worked or was friends or something with Jehovah. Cristina: And he has some connection with the Greece. Jack: And he has some connection with Greece. And he might have existed back with Eloi and Lilith, which suggests that he would have also been around at the time of Jesus, Jehovah's father, Yahweh. He would have been in contact with every single everything straight through. Cristina: Yes. Jack: I don't understand how. Because he is a God, he might actually be. Everybody else is some being that got there. He might actually. Dude, based on how we're describing him, right? Cristina: Yes. Jack: He goes everywhere, lives immortally, contacts everybody. Now, here's an interesting part about Hermes, which, based on his talks, might make sense. Let's say Hermes does come around in the year 12,000 BC, right? That's when he's born, not before then. But what do his lessons teach us? He says the fabric of reality itself is up to you to move around and control as you please. If you understand my teachings, you can just casually move in and out. Nothing matters. Nothing is of consequence. Everything is readjustable. Could it be that although he began there, he easily just shows up in the past? Is that a capability of his? Yes, because we know many necromancers can just f*** with time. Cristina: He can too. Yeah, I guess. Jack: Just poof. So he was born recently, but he could just be back there? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And that explains him showing up everywhere. He became he again. He was just a creature that became a God beyond anything all these other people could even fathom. Cristina: Mm. Except for Jesus, maybe. Jack: Well, he taught Jesus. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: It to this moment, it kind of does almost look like Hermes over Jesus. So if we were to just calculate their abilities and what they've done. Cristina: Yeah, but if Jesus gets to actually ex. Goes follows those principles that he has to teach, like what makes the difference, what makes him under. Jack: It looks like Hermes can cross into the fairy realm. It does not seem like Jesus can. As far as we know. Cristina: As far as we know. Jack: As far as we know. Cristina: Exactly. I don't know. That doesn't really. Jack: Only based on what we've found, he. He hasn't. Maybe we'll find something different to the contrary. But as of now, it looks like Hermes is the only one who's figured out how to enter this other space. With all of the efforts that everybody else has. I haven't seen a mention of Jesus doing that. Cristina: Well, maybe that story of him going into heaven. What does that mean. Jack: Going into heaven? Cristina: Yeah. And the end of his story before he comes back to Earth, like, what is that? I don't Know exactly. Jack: He dips out. Cristina: Could that be him exiting? Jack: But then that means he's always behind. He didn't just inherently have the ability like these other 00:35:00 Jack: things. He discovered that like a science. Which means that Hermes mastered it. He's a beginner at it. Hermes is still above. Cristina: Yeah, but that doesn't mean he can't get to that point. Like once you got it, you got it. Jack: He has a head start. Is he gonna. Is Hermes gonna continue getting better or is there a top? Which means if there's a top, they can catch up and land there. If not, then. Because again, if it's science, you can keep pushing it. Oh yeah, you can continue to push it. Cristina: But I think Jesus is still up there. Jack: He would be number two. I'm thinking he's number two. Cristina: Yeah. Because he did escape. I think he might have gone there. I think that was the story. Jack: And that's simply because we cannot rank things from Elfame. We have no idea. Yeah, it's possible. Those things are way more complicated in ways we couldn't comprehend. Cristina: But he might have gone into alpha and then came back. Jack: Yes. Cristina: I think that's. That's the story to say that. Yes. Jack: Right. But yeah, no, 100%. But that doesn't make him. I still think we've discovered that there is less appearance of Hermes. He's more rare to come across. So he's better at being invisible. He's been around longer, so there should be more of him. But he is good at being invisible. Cristina: But also he's using much of different names. I don't know. Jack: He always goes by Hermes. Cristina: He does. Oh yes, he does. It's Jesus that goes by different names. Jack: Jesus goes by different names and is still nowhere as elusive. Cristina: Okay. Jack: We don't know necessarily anything about what Hermes looks like. We just know he was robed. He was nice and discreet. Okay, he was robed. We have no descriptors for his face. We. We know just the things surrounding his robe. His face is usually in shadow and the robe itself was very dark. Gave look to that traditional necromancer thing, secrecy and privacy. So they adopted the look. Cristina: The necromancers. Jack: The necromancers adopt the look. That's also why we always see Jesus robed up. Everybody else might have layers to the robes, tuck ins on their ways. But Jesus wore like gown style things. It was very necromancer. And he's known for having the scarf with the hood. Cristina: That's not Mary. Are you sure? Jack: Jesus had the same thing. I guess Mary was also trying to be private. Oh, but that's logical. And the most important facet here is. I mean, Jesus would have to become a more more complicated threat eventually because he's still half Elysian. Cristina: Yeah. What is a Hermes? Jack: Human. Cristina: How do we know he's not half. How do. Jack: We don't know. We just know that you have to be human to be an echromancer. Cristina: Yes, but Jesus proves you could just be half human. Like you don't have to be full human. Jack: Jesus proves you could be half human. This brings up an interesting problem and it totally explains the Elysians not wanting Elysian men or women to breed with humans. Because nephilim that become necromancers may be problematic. Cristina: Yes. Yeah. Jack: Is the fear the necromancers, the few necromancers we know about are problematic. And then there's Hermes, who seems undefeatable by any standard we could imagine. Cristina: But then you think they'd be an enemy with him, but there don't seem to be. Even though they fear everything he is, they don't want another version of him. Jack: I mean, everybody's trying. Think about what the requirements were for the Golem. Think about what the requirements were for Jesus. You have to be able to cross all three thresholds seamlessly. What? Who's the only other individual we know who could do that? It's Hermes they're trying to imitate Hermes. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Right. And he ain't a fairy. They just know a human learned how to do the thing and that for whatever reason, Elysians can't be necromancers. Cristina: Yes, but they don't want to make more. They do and they don't. They don't want it. Jack: You want to control them. They want to be able to make a necromancer and control it. Cristina: Hence the creation of like things like Jesus. No more. Jack: Jesus was a problem. Yeah. Think of not Alexander. Was it Alexander? No, the. The sword guy. 00:40:00 Cristina: The sword guy. Jack: Who was being tricked? Arthur. King Arthur. Who was being tricked by Merlin. By Merlin. But the whole goal of that instance was a necromancer or not a necromancer. A person with the ability to cross between thresholds who could be controlled. Cristina: But he was all human. As far as I know. Jack: He was all human. Yes. And he was too easy to control. It became problematic. And we know that Merlin was an elation. Or is an elation. I don't know if that guy still around. But Hermes equals. I mean, not Hermes, Merlin. Equal elation. Cristina: He has to be half. Jack: He has to be half. Yes. You're Right, because how is he? And that's why he's whack. Cristina: Why is he whack? Jack: Because the more human you are. Cristina: So you think he's more than half human? Jack: No, he's the whack necromancer. Merlin is whack because. Because he is half and half. Cristina: But you have to be half and half. Jack: No, you have to be human. Cristina: Oh, but Jesus is half and half. And that he's not. Jack: Isn't half and half. Cristina: You think he's human. Okay, psychic abilities. Jack: Stories give us some details here to fill in for this thought, but I have some filler ideas. Right. For some blank areas. The stories emphasize how important Mary is, not just to the cause, but to Joseph. Joseph is a magi. A magi. And he is one of the other three who will later show up. He was her personal escort. They are Alician soldiers of some sort. Cristina: Okay, right. That's her man, though. Jack: No, that's the lie they're telling. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: But where you're getting at is where I think was maybe intentionally left out. The Bible tells us he's her man. Of course, the Bible is foolish and made up in order to suppress the truth. But the Bible tells us. So what motivation did the Bible have to tell us he was her man? Why wasn't he just her brother? She was gonna be a virgin and have a husband. Cristina: Yeah, that's weird. But weird. Jack: Could have. Any other narrative could have been spun there. Yeah, maybe. Maybe he was human and that's why he was different from the other Magi. Just like Mary was human. Because we know that child is part of Jehovah's DNA. But maybe the intention was to water it down and so it's not just Jehovah. What part of this do you need science for? Where was the experiment taking place in? Well, maybe both of them are the bad. Thus he's only one third Elysian. Cristina: Oh, crap. Okay, those make it more interesting. Jack: Interesting. So he has as much stake in this as the Elysians, but, you know, you're also just a human bro. We can get rid of you quite easily. So you're just gonna escort her? Well, you got bodyguards are gonna be watching, and they're gonna show up when it matters. You're gonna see them, and you just gotta take her over there. Where does he go when he gets. He just vanishes. The story just cuts off. We assume he left with the other Maggie, but he just. His story just ends. So what is that about? Well, his purpose was complete. He probably died off. Cristina: He died off. No, he died off. Jack: They get. They get to older age. Oh, but like, what's his. Why do we stop talking about him so heftily? It's because of this reason. He is really inconsequential, but is part of the equation, which is why he was actually present there the whole time. He's like, no, it's my Katu and I'm gonna follow this lady. Cristina: Okay. We just couldn't say, yeah, they were. Jack: The chosen ones to some degree, but it was just human. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You know, And I think that was a way of diluting some science was used in order to dilute elation DNA. Even if elation DNA is better for stones, they're not going to get rid of themselves. So they could easily run this tech, but no humans. But in order to make a necromancer, you need human. And they want one that they can control. But I don't know if they have Hermes, why they would need to. I don't get that part. But Hermes himself then trained Jesus. He's so neutral. 00:45:00 Cristina: He doesn't. He seems like part of the group, but he doesn't seem like part of their group. Jack: I think he literally isn't part of their group. I think he's just friends with Jehovah. And everybody must respect his neutrality because what are you gonna do about it? The fact that he's blessing you with his time is good enough. Cristina: But then he gets to train the guy that they offer, cuz that guy went to him. Jack: Again, neutrality doesn't matter who comes or what you want. I can do whatever. Cristina: Mm. Jack: I'll help you with limits. I don't hurt others or whatever. But what you do, but what I gave you is up to you. Cristina: Crazy. Jack: So everybody comes for something different. It's like, yes, he's really God about it, to the point that even Jesus goes to him on record. Yeah, well, Emmanuel. Emmanuel goes to him and it's like, bro, this dude moves like real omniscience. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Move through time, influence, whatever. Yeah. Oh, you said your grandfather needed what? Okay, I'll go back and I'll. Cristina: That's weird. Jack: Yeah, whatever, dude. Oh, no, I can't do that. I'm not gonna go get rid of the people. No, I can't do that. You need the. Oh, yeah, yeah, I can make the thing. Whatever you do with it, that's up to you. I don't give a crap. It's your choice. If it affects me, I'll bring him back. I don't care. Cristina: Real omniscience, okay. Jack: He moves like that, right? He has that feel if I don't care what happens, I don't care. I don't care what. I'm not doing it, but I don't care what happens. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And then he can adjust whatever in his favor. That's so impressive and everything. Again, if we look at the whack, watered down, non knowing necromancers, it's still like, d***, son. All of them except St. Patrick seem capable of controlling time. They're watered down. All of them. They're. They're whacker than Jesus. And Jesus can't mess with Hermes. That's where we are. They can control f****** time. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: It looks like maybe Santa, St. Nicholas is like real top tier op. Maybe third in line here because of how exaggerated he is. But it could just be time control that he looks like he's everywhere freezes, everything goes everywhere, takes him a long time. Then time moves forward again. Cristina: It's still really exaggerating. I don't know. It's pretty powerful stuff. Jack: Pretty powerful stuff. He also has deals with what seem to be actual fairies. Actual fairies? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Which is like, d***, how do you do that? Yeah. Cristina: Yeah. Maybe they're not fairies. Maybe they're shadow worm creatures. Jack: They could be shadow worm creatures, but they can. We don't know shadow creatures that fit those suits. But we know fairies that do. Cristina: It's just too weird. Jack: It's weird. Cristina: It doesn't make sense to anything. Jack: But again, maybe he's. He does appear to stay neutral as well. So maybe the fairies aren't siding with him. And maybe the fairies aren't trying to stop Hermes. Who are the fairies trying to stop? All the people trying to imitate Hermes. Fair people don't care about Hermes. Why? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: Doesn't seem to be f****** with them. Neutral. The people who are like, we want infinite power. They get elf slapped on top. Stop their progress, please. Cristina: Okay. Jack: But Hermes clearly already capable. They're like, whatever. Interesting. They're scared of power hungry people because if they cross out, they're coming for us. Cristina: Okay, Jesus, kill off Marilyn and Jesus. Jack: Jesus is a problem because Jesus is the one that slipped through. And although Jesus isn't aiming to hurt them, Jesus seems to be on a revenge path. Right. Is his goal the Elysians or could he easily deal with the Elysians? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: Because if they are is infinitely trying to get stronger. And they're infinitely trying to get stronger. So he must again try to get stronger. So they must again try to get stronger. And now it's gotten to the point that they reach the Elfame just trying to get stronger than each other. And then they're just consuming everything around them in a war between each other. And that's the fear. That's why it didn't look like anybody was after anybody specific and that the Elfame was just fight. Who are we scared of? And it's like this guy or that guy or what? No, both. Cristina: Both. Jack: But it's not about them going after you. They don't care about you. They're. They're Borg. They're infinitely power hungry the way humans are. Okay, we want more. But it's about getting rid of each other. Cristina: It could be that very. It feels very Dragon Ball Z. Jack: Like just like always. Upscale. Cristina: Stronger. Yeah. Jack: And it doesn't stop. We've gone out of the realm. Man. I remember the ah, memories. What the good old days when we just thought creatures here, creatures there. Maybe some aliens, maybe an alien or two local 00:50:00 Jack: that can't, you know, lives in space between planets. Because why would it try? How would it travel from super far? They couldn't. It's just a biological something living in space to finding out no crap could travel. And here's the science behind it. Stars away, stars across, galaxies across. Until getting to the point of like nah. There's entire clusters of stars completely captured. Because escaping the entire universe is totally possible. And there's multiple of these things. And here's some science behind it to dimensions and realms. It's like I remember the good old days back then when it was so simple. Now. Now we have interdimensional multi realm existing different creatures of different magnitudes of development tied in infinite ways with each other and in different ways. All scientific. Cristina: They're trying to get up there, up somewhere there. Jack: So complicated. So, so complicated. It's ridiculous. It is good old days of just hey, vampires and zombies. You remember comparing vampires and zombies and they both need blood. Which it totally should have filled us in on so much. Totally should have. Because we erased it slowly from zombies to say that they were after blood. But zombies were after blood at the beginning of the invention of talking about zombies. But maybe the creators of zombies thought oh this too on the nose. It's too close. So I'm just gonna connect the dots. And so we slowly phased out zombies going for blood. And then they just became science zombies. The way like oh, vile. We're trying to cure cancer. But. But it was always science. Cristina: It was always science. Jack: Adrenochrome. Oh the science in a different way. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: We they try to block us off of certain paths of science so that we don't get informed on those things like realms and crap like that. That must use biological and physically tangible science applications in order to to interact with. But the laws were taught to build upon exclude the factors that would lead us in those directions so that only those who know about them can know about them. Esoteric knowledge everywhere. You know, it's funny, that reminds me that Wet Judges was the same story as zombies. We had. We were just going through different creatures and we found out that this creature existed and that it was the. The result of something unknown. But this is what the creature behaves like. And it's not a shadow Realm. Creatures opposite to a win dingo. But they both turned out shadow room creatures. But there was some difference between them that we were like one comes from this and the other one kind of sorta. Eventually we discovered wolves. And both of these things shared a lot of characteristics. And that episode involved the connection of well, this is how a wolf biologically becomes. And this is how wolf biologically becomes that one. I believe the Wet Judge is the feral shadow realm version of a wolf. And the Windingo is the in control shadow realm version of a wolf. And both of those we found in isolation separate because we were just doing episodes about creatures. Cristina: But what do they have to do with the Shadow Realm? Jack: Adrenochrome. And they're both shadow realm creatures. Cristina: Okay. But they're based off of wolves and the wolves are from here, not from the shadow Realm. Jack: Exactly. Were wolf. Well, wolf can wolf takes adrenochrome the stages of a wolf as they would break apart. A wolf can sue. Let's take one of these 1950, 1940. Like six werewolves from the battlefield. Battlefield night people hiding. It sneaks up in the shadows and starts eating and drinking some of the blood. Because it's dies or. No, no, let me get there. It's gonna turn into. In consuming so much of it. A werewolf. Cristina: Mm. Jack: The werewolf is just the in control version of the wolf. Now two wolves came. They were talking about two separate wolves from the same pack. They came. They ate the same body. During the werewolves, both of them became werewolves. One of them was smart enough to consider coming back and the other one was a little cower. And as soon as it heard people ran away so they didn't consume the next day. This happens repeatedly. And the second wolf doesn't come back. The first werewolf stays a werewolf. The second werewolf now becomes a lichen. 00:55:00 Jack: It goes feral. It's just a Savage now. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It even forgets how to get back to it. It's just now a monster. Cristina: Okay. Jack: But they're more or less fizzled off Earth Realm. Cristina: Yes. Okay. Jack: Yes. And they all fizz. They physically look very similar, except a werewolf looks like a humanoid. It looks very similar than the werewolf is very gray, furred, wise and less crazy, I guess. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And the lichen is black fur and slimmer, while the werewolf looks bulkier. The lichen is thinned out and like up looking. It's like a really thinned out werewolf that's all black. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Now if the werewolf dies a werewolf, it becomes a wet judge. Cristina: Okay. And if the lichen dies, it becomes the other thing. Jack: And if lichen dies, it becomes a wendingo. Cristina: And those creatures are Shadow Realm creatures. Jack: And those creatures are Shadow Realm creatures. Cristina: Or they're ghost versions. Jack: Yeah, yeah. A lot of Shadow Realm creatures are ghost versions of earthrealm creatures because there's an inherent tie between them. Cristina: A little weird, because the Shadow realm is the original realm and we are. Jack: A pocket realm within it. Cristina: Yeah. But when we die, we go back to the original realm. Jack: Well, this is supported by all sciences, all religions and all philosophies that the. This association from the self unites us to the all. Another way of thinking about it is the texts that make it sound like it's a simulation. If the barriers are built around a certain type of code and you extract that code, then whatever code is left could exit the equation. Cristina: Okay, and then we just go back to the shadow realm. Jack: We can just be part of the shadow realm. So it's possible. Weird thought that everything within earthrealm is already a creature that might exist within the shadow realm, and we are just programmed with the external shell that we then think is ourselves. Cristina: What do you mean? Jack: Like my body isn't my body? Maybe I was always a gin, but because I'm born over here, the body feels like a body. But then it's weird beating our campy because creatures from the shadow realm coming over here to kidnap children and stuff, but to live. But they don't. They don't become suddenly physical unless they go through a procedure. Yes, and I don't understand what the procedure necessarily is because there's no specifics on it. Yeah, we know that they need a model, which is why they kidnap kids. They need an example of who they're going to become and that person is going to stay alive. They don't kill that person. Cristina: They don't. Jack: Well, somehow still existed when Lucifer became physical. Cristina: Yes, but did he transform also? Jack: Then Samuel got turned into Alfamer. Cristina: Is that what happened? Jack: No, he got turned to a Naga, I think, right? Cristina: Yeah, I think so. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: This story is twisted and weird. Jack: Yeah, that's a weird. Someone else been through the ringer. It's a weirdo. But this isn't a couple of places. Because if you think of Glycon from the Greek, he also was just a Greek dude who became a Naga. Cristina: That doesn't make sense. With the help of Keto. Because Nagas are fairies. So these are people becoming fairies. Jack: These are people. Well, people becoming Shadow worm creatures and Shadow Realm creatures becoming Earth Realmers are still weird. Cristina: That's weird. But it's less weird. They're becoming fairies. Jack: Well, presumably the Shadow Realm is a pocket within Alfame. The best way to think about it is if Elfame is Earth Realm, then the Shadow Realm is the Internet. And EarthRealm is like Facebook. Each one is inside the other in a smaller, more constricted way. But it's still the one thing. Like it's still Facebook exists within Earth. Cristina: A video character becoming human. Jack: Yes. So, okay, I guess the. The most logical way to make the next step remove would be to say we have humanoid robots that don't have any AI. They exist everywhere. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And the Facebook AI decides it's going to figure out how to enter one of our robots and navigate earthrealm. That would be the leap that Jesus born in earthrealm does 01:00:00 Jack: to get to Alfame. He is the Facebook AI. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Getting into one of our robots and now existing as a Earth Realm being. Cristina: What does it mean when one of us becomes a Naga? Jack: That would be the equivalent. Cristina: It's still in there. Jack: Yes. So there must be some form of code that creatures from the top have. Like MAB logging in. Cristina: Oh, NPCs. No, not NPCs. Main characters. Jack: Main characters. Yes. They acquire main character abilities. Yes, that's what it really means. Which is a good example in being Hermes. Main character abilities. Cristina: Okay, so if you can do become a Necromancer or become a Naga, you're doing the same thing. Yes, sort of. Jack: The difference is they're trying to make Nagas of existing individuals that they know are already loyal. They don't want one born. They're trying to make one out of people they know are already loyal to them. So there's some half baked kind of approach there. Cristina: And they. I don't think they have the same abilities as Nagas. Jack: No. It doesn't seem like they have the tip top. The closest person who got To. That was the first one we know about, which is the oldest, which is Yaldabaoth and his. Not his artificial Naga, which I guess everybody else is. An artificial Naga that we're talking about. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: But it looks like his was literally created from nothing. It wasn't based on anybody. Which is also why that one's overpowered. Cristina: That doesn't make sense. That does it. I don't know. Jack: Osteomorphus. That was the name of that serpent. Osteomorphous. Cristina: Came from nothing. Jack: He came from nothing. He was raw, created. So he must be more pure than doing it on a creature that was already a different creature. But they'll be loyal because they're part. They're in on it. It's their hard work, too, versus this. No, you were made exclusively for this purpose. You could turn on me and it might have. We know it had its own intentions. It might have done whatever, but that's the risk. A different variation on that is Jesus. It might go rogue. Except it went rogue and they did. Where they. How do they control it? Cristina: I don't know. But how do you do that? What? You said he just made one. Jack: Made one? What? Cristina: Made a Naga? Jack: Oh, I don't know, but it would be like, how did we invent a robot from nothing? Like, it's just. It's that he just made science. Figure it out. Cristina: Okay. I don't know. Jack: But the leap Jesus made is pretty impressive, especially if we. If we listen. If we listen, Deacon, listen. If we take the texts that make it sound like a simulation at face value and say, oh, yeah, that's definitely the true one. Jesus made it out of the simulation and into an Alfame robot. That's basically what we'd be saying. Yeah, he jumped to the middle stage. Or went through it. We know he went through it. Literally. He could enter the wider Internet. Cristina: But he's not the only one. Jack: No, he's not the only one. Because whatever quote AI unquote Hermes is can easily just walk out. And he was just Earthreal. So he is another Facebook AI. He's the original Facebook AI that managed to just get into a robot in her throne. Cristina: That's weird, but yes. But then I still don't understand, because Nagas are. Jack: I think Nagas are an attempt to do a biological cheat sheet for Hermes, because you can either study and get it. That's a. The filter is crazy. Phew. It's so hard. So few people have figured it out. Immense power. Even people who didn't figure it out. Alexander the Great There you go. Even people who didn't get it, what they did get, made them monstrously overpowered, but with limitations. The idea of a Naga bypass the limitations instantaneously. Shortcuts. It's all shortcuts. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Because the right way to do it would be learned hermetic principles. Follow the laws that Hermes lays out. Understand his lessons. He says it, it's the only way. And the proof kind of stands on it. The fact that nobody else figures it out. Cristina: Yeah, he figured it out. Jack: He did. Cristina: And nothing is like gonna figure it out after him though. Is Jesus really it? Jack: Well, we don't know. Merlin came after Jesus. Cristina: That's true. Just forget he's the most recent. Jack: Yeah, he's the most recent. He was whack, but he was the most recent. Then again he was way overpowered. Still time bending. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Even if he was defeated, it's still pretty crazy. Jack: I guess so. Well, yeah, he was tricked, but he was tricked by a fairy. He was killed off by a fairy. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Like you know. The question is, could Hermes know her? Is the problem is also Hermes has no goal. Think about how interesting this is. It doesn't look like. No, but St. Patrick's was associated. Even if he was human. Cristina: What do they mean? Jack: He was still associated with the Elysians. They called on him for help. Cristina: I don't know. Because of him and Santa makes it seem like the religion is behind is part of them or they made the Catholic Church. Right. Jack: The Catholic Church was made by the Elysians, but the Catholic Church employs humans. Cristina: Yeah, but to keep the Elysians secret. Jack: Yeah. The whole point is to keep the Elysian secret and to make Jesus just seem like he's unrelated to the Elysians. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Yeah. And it looks like, you know, they're neutral. And maybe they were priests who were like, we're gonna put. We're gonna send you on a quest. We're gonna send priests. Maybe that's the point of priests. Raising some priests regularly to a school out in Greece where they're gonna come across a series of tests and tasks at the School of L. If they pass enough of them, you're going to get into a special class and you're going to take it and you're hopefully going to pass that class. That class is all that matters. Everything you're going to do for the next 20 years of your life is pure training to try to pass one class. That's it. Good luck. And then, you know, just kept sending people, kept sending people, kept sending people and one guy, St. Patrick, makes it through and meets Hermes and takes classes with him and, and St. Nicholas makes it through and gets there. But how many hundreds of other priests went there and like tried and they could, didn't even know what they were there for other than I told I was going to do this my whole life. And I'm not going to get married, I'm not going to have children, and I'm going to go back and go, you know, I dedicated my life to them. I'm gonna go lead a church and I'm gonna be great. I'm gonna have it said and made. But I don't know what the beginning of that path was. And only few of them, and they disappear forever. Now it's the, the St. Patrick's of the world. It was like, no, I'm an OG. I got the abilities that they want. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And so those are in house necromancers. Hermes is neutral party if they can, if they. Anybody who can get my teachings can get my teachings. Cristina: So you think he was training? Jack: He was at Lesium as written by Aristotle. Cristina: In his notes, they say for how long? Jack: Unclear, but he was at Lesium, so that's fact number one. The specific lines were that he was waiting for the special students. And Aristotle's take on that is that his students were the elite students, the students that had taken all their other classes, the students that have aced everything else. And it's a school of philosophy. What the f*** does it mean to ace that? It means to understand everything there. Cristina: Which makes sense for what you need for Hermes. Jack: You got to enter equipped in every aspect of everything. And so you get to his class. Most people didn't make it. And I don't know how he would evaluate them, but he must have been looking at the notes of the other teachers there and been like, I want that student on that guy. He seems to be doing good every class specifically in these topics, which means he understands the nuance I'm looking for. Maybe all the other teachers were just cover. Cristina: For the real goal. Jack: For the real goal. Everything is designed as an intricate filter. And it's, it's a tournament. There's one winner. Of course, there's more multiple winners. But in this case, you know, to picture it better, it's tournament style. The guy who makes it to the championship past all the tests, but you still got to eliminate, eliminate, eliminate. And so you can't have a huge class of thousands of people. You got to be very restrictive. And maybe not. Maybe anybody who can make it can make it. Except people don't make it because it's really hard to get. Cristina: Mm. That's really hard. Jack: It's really abstract. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Really abstract. But it all makes perfect sense is the problem. So you gotta be able to understand really abstract thoughts in order to then bend reality with your mind the way that Hermes suggest can happen. And that we've found this proof through Naga and other necromancers and the people who cheat and manage to get a stone and aren't necromancers because that's so op. Cristina: Yeah. But he's the reason that there are stones. Jack: Yes. He invented them. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: Yep. He is so good at being secretive. Hermes. He's so good at being secretive and so good at making things that we didn't know that both parts of the craft 01:10:00 Jack: were literally him. We found the first part and we're like, he made the thing like somebody else made the other part and improved on it. No, it was also him. It's just. It's hard to connect any part of things that have to do with him because everything exists in isolation. Because he's so good at just disappearing off of that side of the planet and popping up over here and doing a bunch of crap over here and stays over here for a thousand years and disappears over here. And he's over there now. No given. Doesn't seem to care about the passage of time. Doesn't seem to care about what side anybody's on. Does no barriers exist. I'm in this room. I'm in that room. Whatever. Cristina: That's what he does. Jack: Very godlike. He reminds me a Q from Star Trek. Cristina: Probably less of a troll than him, though. Jack: We have no idea. We have no, no idea. Not a clue what his personality is like. Not a clue. We know some people had character to them. Some of the Elysians were like, you know, you can imagine them. The guy who's just whoring around banging humans. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You're probably a chill dude. Bro. Cristina: Know. Jack: You know, he's just a dude. He's out there just linging, slinging his come everywhere he goes. Cristina: We don't know anything about Hermes. Jack: Who the h*** does? Cristina: I thought he's a weirdo or not weirdo. He's just secretive. Jack: He's private. Cristina: Private. Jack: We got stories from Santa. We got stories from Patrick. We got Jehovah stories. He seemed to be pretty chill, but kind of stern dude. Lucifer seems kind of more worrisome. He's these would, you know, panicky Lilith has a bit of attitude to what she does. Everybody has characteristics based on everything we found. And then Hermes is like, I don't know about you, dude. I don't know if you're, like, serious jokey. If you're like, you know, expressions. He's robed. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Every description of him, robes. Nobody sees this face. Even his homies have no idea if he's smiling or not. He's talking to a robe all the time. Cristina: That's kind of crazy. It's pretty crazy. We don't know anything weird. There could be more than one. Jack: There could totally be more than one. But also, he can bend time. What the. Cristina: Like, why do you need more than one? Jack: Why do you need more? He's everywhere. He's everywhere. He's all over the place. Everybody's Hermes at one point. It's like, no, it's the same dude. We thought it was multiple people. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And then it's like, no, it's the same guy. What? How? How, How, How? In fact, we thought it was so multiple people because Loi is the title and Hermes exists. And we're like, that's probably the title, too. And he existed back then, and they knew each other. Weird. So different people. And then we're like, nope, it turns out same guy. It's like, how the f*** does this work out? We still haven't even proven that about Loi. Cristina: I don't think he's. I mean, I think he is more than one guy. Jack: Loi feels like a title. And the way they describe the giant ship shifts in behavior. Feels like different people. Feels like a title within the family or a job position or political role or something. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Hermes is literally the guy's name. He'll go by a different name. And then tell them, I'm Hermes. They gave me this name over here. But Hermes is from actual name. Cristina: Weird. Yeah. Jack: And he'll write it. He'll be like, I'm Hermes. Cristina: He writes it, I'm Hermes. Jack: I'm Hermes. And then he made the emerald. He made this, everybody. No, Hermes. Geras Magista's made this. Don't happen. How? How do you do this in Europe? And then at the same time, he made that in Afghanistan, bro. Let's have a real conversation. Cristina: Because time travel. Jack: Because time travel. Cristina: And because there's nothing really. Jack: Instantaneous teleportation. Cristina: Exactly. Jack: And, like, it doesn't matter. Cristina: Solution to any problem is time travel. For Hermes 100. Jack: That explains ever once that's. It's like, yeah, you could bend time. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: So you're just hanging out back there, like the day you chilled with that guy's grandson millions of years later. Cristina: Mm. Jack: To you it was minutes apart. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: You just skadoodled across and it's a. It's seamless. If we were watching you from a movies perspective, you're like, all right, Jehovah, I'll let him know. You take two steps, we zoom in on you. You take two steps, none of the scenery changes. And now you're standing in front of Loi. Hey. Your grandson said this. And when we zoom out, we see Eloi, but not Jehovah. That's how seamless it would be to him. Cristina: That's pretty crazy. Jack: He didn't think about it just there. Cristina: That's totally how it could work. I don't know. Jack: And from the point of view of both of these individuals, he never left. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Because he can pop into the same fraction of a second he left that with Jehovah and walk right into that same moment and be like, your grandfather said this. And from your point of view to my. I'm right now, I'm Hermes. And right now you're Jehovah. And you tell me you need to tell my grandfather to add this, this, and that to 01:15:00 Jack: the equation starting on this next sentence. I'm Hermes. Okay. All right, Jehovah, I'm gonna go tell your grandfather right now what to do. Listen, Loi, it's very important that you add these couple of parts. Now. Loi tells him whatever it's like. Okay. I'm gonna make sure your grandson knows this. Jehovah. Listen, he said that, that one sentence, he's gonna talk to two people across time. And to him it's gonna feel consistent and linear to them. Not a moment past the moment you said links. Cristina: And then he sees a different person. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And time has stopped over there. Cuz not really. He's just in the past and he's gonna go back to that same moment. Cristina: Okay. Okay. That's crazy. That's his ability though. Jack: Does his ability though super overpowered. And he can do that at any point in time, at any place in time? That's God. Cristina: That's ridiculous. Yes. That's good. I don't think there's anything above that. Jack: I don't think there's anything above that. Minus whatever exists in Alpha that we have no reference point for. Yes, but the realms we are aware of. Even elves don't touch this. Nagas don't touch this. Cristina: As far as we can tell. Jack: Yeah. It would have to be the theory of the simulation. And it would have to be that MAB is a programmer and only then, because then she'd have the ability to like deprogram the robot, shut off the Internet, whatever. Cristina: But she can't. So it's not that. Jack: Or she should. We don't know if she can. Maybe she is just one of the programmers at the big company. The company really owns the Internet. She just knows how to work. She's the best worker, knows how to do it. Okay, but she can shut it off and ruin the project and save the world if it got that bad. 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October 12, 2024

Rambling 293: Atlantis Migration

October 12, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

What can the migration path of the Elysians tell us? What was the true goal in heading to Atlantis? Did they go straight there first? The duo unpack the mass evacuation of the Persian Gulf Oasis and the Migration of the Elysians on their way to the Atlantic Ocean.

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Elysians
Atlantis
Bimini Road
Persian Gulf Oasis
Greater Bahamas Landmass
20k Years Ago Sea Level
Year 1

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And so last week we were talking about the city of Dwarka, which was a hyper advanced, ancient civilization with actually an abundance of proof, text and a bunch of s*** that they most likely were in fact, what they were saying.

Cristina: Some weird futuristic place in India, off.

Jack: The coast of India. But they sank their city, most likely intentionally, to avoid some bigger, greater boogeyman.

Cristina: What could that be? That's crazy. That's such a crazy thing.

Jack: And this happened long before Jesus Christ. So it wasn't the same instance. No, it was longer ago. It was further back in time.

Cristina: So what were they fearing? What could be bigger about it? What could that be?

Jack: Yeah, it could have been anything. Right? Like we have no reference point for things from longer ago.

Cristina: No, but can it have been another civilization? They sounded like the most advanced.

Jack: Yeah, they sounded like they were at least kind of touching the. What we know the Aletians to be.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Well, on the flip side, they did have like, more primitive technology when we compared to certain things. When we're talking about them gathering solar energy and the Egyptians building entire Dyson spheres, like those are two massively different stages of power. We're talking that in that case, the people of Dwarka were stage two on the Kardashev scale. Maybe not even. No, not even. Because they're not taking all of the power of the star.

Cristina: No, but they're taking power from the star.

Jack: So their civilization one getting to Civilization two, while the Egyptians were already Civilization two leaning into Civilization three. Because the entire Dark Void, the Great Void, is made because of a crap ton of Dyson spheres. That's entire stars captured in this gap, maybe even galaxies, which would then push them into the third, leading to fourth. And the Elysians are still stronger. So Dwarka isn't actually that. That.

Cristina: So are they afraid of the Elysians, the Egyptians?

Jack: All these groups would be more powerful than Dwarka. Now there are some things. Again, space time manipulation now brings us into a different stage. Yeah, we haven't heard mention of this from any of the others, but like, how the h*** they have instantaneous transportation using the pyramids and things like that. So they. Everybody's got their specialty, it looks like. And if these people can manipulate space and time, that's kind of op.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. Because space travel, maybe you can't construct some giant thing around the star, but clearing space becomes easier than it is for everybody else, minus the Egyptians, who could instantaneously get somewhere.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: Now, thinking about this, I wanted to know who these people were scared of. There were other civilizations to look at. I started going through them, and as I'm doing it, the pattern is the same. So it's not even worth looking at the civilizations per se, and they're less advanced anyways. So we already saw the most advanced of the ones we haven't looked at, and we still can't tell what it is that they were fearing to begin with. So looking at this and seeing that they were this level of advance so long ago.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I just started combing back through the data, everything we have. What do we have? And started looking at everything again. What is this information trying to tell us now with this new perspective that there were civilizations this level of advanced prior to the Mayans even getting technology, prior to the Egyptians even getting this technology. We know that the Elysians existed with the first mentions of jehovah being roughly 12,000 years ago.

Cristina: And we knew there was a civilization around the world on the line.

Jack: Yes. That they were all advanced about 12,000 years ago.

Cristina: Yes. We have no idea whether now that they destroyed themselves, which we assume they all destroyed themselves, or that something actually got to them.

Jack: And it's funny, because India is on that old equator line. Okay, so Dwarka is in theory one of those locations which.

Cristina: Which destroyed itself. So did the others. What happened?

Jack: Did the other. Interesting point. Did the others do it to preserve their own safety? Were they all flourishing? interesting.

Cristina: Was Satan involved also, I guess is another question.

Jack: Lucifer.

Cristina: Lucifer, yeah.

Jack: Satan ain't a thing. Satan is religious. But in looking at these things, I started stumbling upon some things that I found kind of interesting. And I thought we would discuss them today in order to add some new perspective, because the perspective we had allowed me to look at this and then to consider things from a different light. So I want to talk about the Elysians and I want to talk about their migration pattern, because I think their migration pattern might be informative in a couple of degrees.

Cristina: Really. What?

Jack: So as far as we know, based on our understanding of the events, based on texts provided by the Mayans, from the Greek, from the Egyptians, and some random obscured sort of settlements here and there, we have understanding that the Elysians came from the Persian Gulf oasis. And when the tragedy happened, whatever it was that forced them to run away from their home. They broke up into three groups. One went north, we're assuming to the Norse area.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We know this because Mananan hungs out up there. So they would have already either gone to establish those things or had things up there already they could have safely gone to. One is to where is known today as Gaza. In the Palestine. In Palestine. Which was previously known as Philistines. And we know this because the genetic marker that only exists around the Persian Gulf oasis is the exact genetic marker that exists in that area.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Right. We're going to talk about neither one of those two though. Talk about the obvious one that most people know about, which is the ones that went to the Atlantic Ocean. Right.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because that's where the story begins for who knows about these people? Most people only know about them through this location. So do you remember what the basic idea is? Where'd they go? Everybody knows the answer.

Cristina: Bermuda Triangle.

Jack: And what's there.

Cristina: And then their water city known as. Yes. Okay.

Jack: Okay. That's the common knowledge about what happened. The third group goes west, goes to the Atlantic Ocean. Goes to where the Bermuda Triangle is and dives down into what is known as Atlantis.

Cristina: Yes. And they might have a storm machine that's making that craziness that's happening above it.

Jack: Yes. Or maybe not a storm machine. But we've also determined that it is possible that there are different kinds of life we struggle to identify. And that there are clouds, like creatures.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or that clouds themselves have a type of sentience that they have learned how to communicate with. And so, okay, there's that mess going on. Right. But let's focus on the water and then the migration pattern.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They hit the ocean and go all the way to where they're going and dive down. How the h*** did they do this? Did they have the technology to float on the water while they built the city? Was the city being built for a long time and then they just managed to leave? Right. When the thing happened is like whether it's complete or not, the structures that are there will finish while down there. Like how? How.

Cristina: How are there. There should be theories on how. Is that what you're gonna talk about? Because I really don't know.

Jack: It's complicated. Right? I really don't know because that's weird. How did. How, How, How, How. How. So those are the three groups. Right? Norway region. The Philistines, now known as Palestine. Specifically the Gaza region. And then the Atlantic Ocean. Simple. Now, these are supported through various sources of records and hieroglyphs. In several different countries. From several different countries as well as traces of a nomadic race starting at the Persian Gulf oasis and following their remnants straight through. One disappears into the Atlantic Ocean, one lands specifically Gaza and one goes towards the north and kind of trails off eventually. So we can prove the hieroglyphs and the records aren't wrong because we can find traces of individuals that kind of fit the suit, but they go to the Atlantic Ocean in the Bermuda Triangle specifically. And it gets weird.

Cristina: That's already weird.

Jack: That's already weird. So what can we see in that area? Do you remember what we know for a fact that we can look at in that area that provided proof of like. Oh yeah, definitely down there.

Cristina: I remember line statues, but I don't know if that related to that.

Jack: Yes, it's the Bimini road and the underwater areas surrounding it.

Cristina: Okay, right.

Jack: So the Bimini road is a block like pattern road going into the water and for miles surrounding it you find statues and pyramids and reared structures all over the place. In the water, in the water.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: Everything looks worn and wasted. And the road itself is isolated by itself going far in the distance. You got to find these other things in the water. It's not like you see the road and oh, there's a statue right next to it. It's underneath this giant area. And that brings up some interesting questions. Right? If they went to the Atlantic Ocean, what was this road for? If they went underwater, who was this road for? Why would you want an obvious path leading down there?

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: I was thinking about that. I was thinking about how stupid it would be if you're trying to hide the leave remnants of where you went.

Cristina: It would make sense if it wasn't always underwater.

Jack: If it would make sense if it wasn't always underwater. But then what's the story of Atlantis? What is the point? And like I don't understand. If it wasn't always underwater, would they not underwater? So where are they now? And why don't the islands surrounding that have any of the same structures going on? Okay, interesting, right? Questions just pop up, things we didn't think about before. So I have some theories we can discuss and some evidence to support some of these theories. There are four possibilities we're going to go with scientifically the most likely. If we were looking at any other civilization without considering hyper advanced technology, if we were looking at any other modern day civilization, how would we explain the same thing? But first let's talk about where Bimini is and what Bimini is. There is an island, the Bimini island, specifically northern and southern Bimini. And they are off the coast of Florida, close to the Bahamas.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And this general region right there by the Atlantic. Let me see if I can get you a nice little image here. And you're gonna see kind of the area right here.

Cristina: Do the islands themselves have anything I.

Jack: Just said they didn't.

Cristina: They didn't. Okay. So it's just things near it.

Jack: Just things near it. And we'll discuss any details on the islands in a bit. That's not the point yet. But here are the islands. You know, this is just kind of the region very close to Florida. Yeah, this is Florida. Very close. I'm gonna show you. This is the island right here. That's Miami. These are the literal Bimini Islands. That's how small we're talking. We can zoom out a little more. And you're gonna see right down there the Bimini Islands. Very small. Here's the Bahamas. Way larger.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, that's kind of what we're looking at. It's very small.

Cristina: Bunch of small, scattered islands.

Jack: Yes, a bunch of small scattered islands. And we know the path. The Bimini road is coming out of the northern Bimini island towards the north of the Atlantic Ocean. Right now, thinking about the most common possibility, we have to do some scientific research. I'm gonna give you the theory and then the explanation as to why it's likely. So initially, the idea would be that Bimini island and where Atlantis was were one place.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: And that we were looking at the. If you remember the difference between Legend of Zelda, Twilight Princess, I think it is, and then the Legend of Zelda Wind Waker, where the entire world of Hyrule has become island tops as the world got flooded and everybody had to migrate to the highest points.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's possible those islands are.

Cristina: That they're just the tops of something.

Jack: Else, the tops of a larger landmass. Now, the island chain of Bimini and Atlantis would have had to be one seamless structure somehow. And it could have been a country or a continent of its own.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, this is supported because in a lot of different texts, it is described as a country or a continent just as often as it is described as a city. Some people describe it as a mega city, some people describe it as a country that's super advanced, and some people describe it as a continent that had an advanced civilization.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's unclear what of them it is. We always lean on city because most of the descriptors used after the country, continent, or city kind of lean towards the city idea of skyscrapers. But can you imagine a super metropolis the size of a country where buildings don't end from here the way over there? Very dystopian future of, like, there's no nature. It's all trees, all the. I mean, it's all buildings all the time in every direction. It doesn't matter how many miles you drive. More buildings, more buildings, more buildings, more buildings indefinitely for the length of an entire country without a pause, without breaks in between.

Cristina: That's what it's supposed to be like.

Jack: No, that's just a way to explain what the text say.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: No way to certify what it's supposed to be like. There's a bunch of different explanations. That's why people land at city, because that's the only place you could think of that would have so many buildings and things. But if it's the size of a country or continent that was also unending from one side to the other, nothing but buildings, then you got to consider how large and advance this really was that be just so consumed by infrastructure.

Cristina: Okay. And it would have been all of that.

Jack: All of that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Except we're assuming that the. You know, we always describe it as a city because of that. That is the point. We always talk about it as a city because of this. But if these are just the tops of the structure, then maybe it was larger than we thought.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it just shrunk down so that the remnants are left by Bimini.

Cristina: Are there people in Bimini?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so if it was a country, what is known as Atlantis could have been the capital of the country.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: And that's why we heard about that mostly. It could have been the largest city in the country.

Cristina: I guess that. That could be, too. Yeah.

Jack: It could have been the most densely populated city in the country.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Or simply the most technologically advanced city in the country. We think of Seattle. That's not particularly densely populated, but it's kind of advanced compared to a lot of other things. We look at New York. That's not the capital, but it's a huge, you know, metropolis. So there's areas that aren't capitals and aren't the most densely packed, but they're definitely. They. We hear about them more. And when people think of the United States, they think, oh, New York, okay. Oh, Hollywood.

Cristina: But, like, the whole state or country, whatever, went underground, not just Atlantic, Atlantis. That's just one of the places that went down. Yes, but it's a bunch of.

Jack: It would have been a giant Landmass that existed.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If it were a continent, then what is known as Atlantis today could have been the governing country of the continent. It could have been neutral territory in the country where most people can go without war. It could have been the most technologically advanced country on the continent.

Cristina: Okay. That spot big enough to say like, a continent could fit there?

Jack: Well, we're going to discuss that when we get that far.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It could have been the most dangerous country. And this also falls definitely in line with thinking about how people were describing them as the sea people and describing them as being terrorized by them. It being the most dangerous country lines up with us hearing about it more. The sea people from Atlantis, I guess they were being terrorized oceanside. Everybody.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess it just seems like they had one specific enemy. I don't know if everyone was afraid of them or they were all afraid.

Jack: Of how people were described by several people as pirates and terrorists.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Only country of the Elysian people within the region. So if there was a continent there, maybe the Elysians only resided in Atlantis and not the entire continent.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that's why we hear about Atlantis now, to explain these things, the civilization would have, by default, been absolutely large, or at least the structure would have been gigantic. The date we would have to put this in would be very different. Then this is where it becomes unlikely. So all that information makes it likely. And I'm about to explain how it's both likely and unlikely for our narrative. The water levels 20,000 years ago were 400ft lower. That is not 2,000 years ago. 2,000 years ago, it might have been a foot lower. 20,000 years ago, it was 400ft lower.

Cristina: Okay, now they have to be way older than we think. If it was the thing.

Jack: Yes. Now, I'm gonna show you again the image of Bimini. And as I scroll down, you're going to start seeing where the landmass would have been and how much it would have taken. Here we have Bimini. There's Miami.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Again, Bimini down there. The Bahamas. Miami.

Cristina: So tiny.

Jack: This would have been the landmass.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah. It's a little country.

Jack: All of that would have been over water. A further away. Look, all of that starting all the way at the coast of Florida and leading right over the Dominican Republic and encapsulating all those islands would have been over water. This is larger than some actual countries. Larger than Puerto Rico, larger than the Dominican Republic, larger than Cuba.

Cristina: Connected to Cuba and Dominican. No, no. It was his own thing. Okay.

Jack: There would have. It would have been way closer, but it would not have touched.

Cristina: Oh, didn't touch Florida either.

Jack: No, it would have been really close. You could have seen it from Florida.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Really far away. You would have seen it. Well, but you wouldn't have made contact.

Cristina: With Florida because it was its own island.

Jack: Yeah. There would be water between Florida at this point.

Cristina: It's a big island, though.

Jack: It's a big island. It's a pretty big island. And that kind of brings up a lot of interesting points. Right. So important details about this. The again, that's the water level. That's what it would look like with the water level 20,000 years ago. And it would connect the entire Bahamas region, all the islands towards the bottom, all the islands towards the top. The Bimini, that entire bubble would be one landmass. For perspective, the state of New York is 47,000 square miles. This island would be 48,000 square miles. North Carolina would be 49 is 49,000 square miles. Mississippi is 47. Pennsylvania is 46, and Alabama is 51. This is 48. Those are just states.

Cristina: Yes. So it's the size of a state. Well, American state, as we saw.

Jack: It's bigger than Cuba.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so there are some countries that this is roughly in the ballpark of Greece is 50,000 square miles. North Korea is 46,000 square miles. That's 2,000 square miles smaller.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Liberia is 43,000 square miles. That's 5,000 square miles smaller. And Cuba is 42,000 square miles, which is 6,000 square miles smaller. It would have been the size of a little country.

Cristina: Yeah, it looks like it. Yeah.

Jack: Interesting little details.

Cristina: But we only know about one city.

Jack: But we only know about Atlantis. So again, it could have been, like I said, it could have been the capital of the country. It could have been the largest city in the country or the most densely populated one or the most technologically advanced city in the country. And if we're calling this a country that's similar to this is like New York.

Cristina: New York. So, like, it was the city. Is Atlantis the popular city, but the country is also known as Atlantis?

Jack: Could be the case. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe like the. The most important part of it was also named after it. Definitely could have been the case. But it's also possible that this entire landmass, because we don't see remnants of highly advanced technology on any of these islands, it's possible that the civilization of the Elysians was focused mainly in this one state or this one city within that country.

Cristina: And Then the rest was just wild.

Jack: The rest was just other people.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Just other people who weren't. Think about how Dwarka was built and how they had walls stopping the primitives from just coming in and going easily. And they wouldn't sell advanced tech, but they would allow markets for. You know, you could buy food, you could buy this, you could buy that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But they wouldn't allow people to leave. So maybe this was the most advanced city and primitives could come through.

Cristina: But they all live like normal people.

Jack: They all live like normal people. Hence the knowledge of. All the Atlanteans were so advanced as compared to the rest of us. Their technology was so out there. Which definitely falls in line when we think about things like Eloi and how they were so advanced, trying to figure out humans. Except Eloi isn't mentioned. At this point, we stop hearing about Loi, and this is long before we get to Jehovah. This is actually in the pocket of one guy we can't seem to find anything about. Yahweh.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, crap.

Jack: The guy we can find nothing about happens to fall in line with the timeline where this land mass would have existed, but no longer does.

Cristina: And you think he has something to do with.

Jack: Not something to do with it, but rather he vanished with it?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You know, he didn't cause it. No, but this falls in line with. Well, he was kind of likely, by our estimates, around 20,000 to 40,000 years ago in that range. And this land mass would have existed around that time. This was the highest point. Okay, so this is how the most land, before the water starts coming back up to swallow it. It took 20,000 years to swallow it, but this was the most amount of land. Yeah, but before it, there would have still been land, just less of it over time, as the water level was higher.

Cristina: So. So weird. Like, they must have known that that was gonna happen and then protected themselves from that. Or did they just. Or is there no one there now? But there has to be someone there now.

Jack: There are people on the islands.

Cristina: Yeah. No, I mean, like, Atlantis is still.

Jack: Yes, for sure. But then Atlantis is somewhere beneath this mess. It's somewhere where this giant landmass would have been, according to this theory. And again, based on how migration patterns happen, if they settled the island and the island had, you know, people distributed all over the place, it's possible in this argument that the city was built and then they throw the dome that protects it from being swallowed by the water while everything else around them gets swallowed by the water.

Cristina: That's pretty harsh.

Jack: And then everybody. Why is that harsh?

Cristina: Because they're not protecting other people.

Jack: What is their obligation to anyone else?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: And everybody moves to the highest points, slowly migrate. You got to understand, this is also happening over a long period of time. It's not like overnight the water level rose, they covered their city, and slowly the water came for them. And all people migrated over generations and generations migrated more to the higher points, to what is known today as these islands. And then they went extinct. However they went. And then the people who settled them later shut up. Okay, under this logic, they didn't need to show up, hover on the water and send tech down.

Cristina: No, they just built over time.

Jack: They built their city on land, and then the water level started rising and swallowed it. Pretty basic, pretty simple. Based on how migration patterns really work. That would explain the islands, people on the islands. That would explain structures underneath the water. That would explain a lot of this all in one shot. The difference is we don't have on any of these islands who would have been closest to the Alicians. We have no data other than the Bermini Road and the structures underneath the water. We have nothing on the islands themselves.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: So arguments could be that knowledge was lost as the water levels rose and different generations passed over thousands and thousands of years. But this also doesn't line up with what happened 2,000 years ago. The argument here would be Atlantis existed that entire time. And when they left the Persian Gulf oasis, all they had to do was go to an existing metropolis city. Underwater.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Didn't have to build anything. It was there.

Cristina: They had. They must have used teleportation or something. I don't know, who knows?

Jack: But there is a migration pattern. But we also know that, like Cyprus is a migration point. There are light. Not migration point. They're teleportation points. Oh, I guess because Mary went from one to the other and they might.

Cristina: Have done the same.

Jack: Okay, Cyprus one, Athos was one, so on and so forth.

Cristina: The mountains.

Jack: The mountains.

Cristina: Weird. Using the mountains to go underwater.

Jack: So the migration was trying to get to the right mountain. And that's why when they hit the ocean going west just vanishes and they trail off. Because they did manage to reach where they were going, the mountain that would send them to Atlantis.

Cristina: Oh, snap. Yes.

Jack: And Atlantis built over there. Where that land mass used to be is underwater protected and has been protected for thousands of years. Underwater. That is theory number one.

Cristina: That's a great theory. That's the best theory. Or does it get Better.

Jack: There are other theories. You decide whether they're best or not.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Next would also require the 20,000 years ago period to have played out. Right. Same idea. And the water level starts rising over time and the Atlanteans don't exist. And the story we get from the Persian Gulf voices, those people must have gone to the tops of these islands or something. The argument here is they settled what is known is Atlanta as Atlantis first. That was the original location they went to. Atlantis was the place they landed. At first, this island was huge. They settled that area. But as the water levels began to rise over thousands of years, like natural civilizations, you know, the coast came up close, we built our houses up the hill. Over a couple of hundred years, the water reached again. We built our houses higher up the hill, so on and so forth. To repeat this pattern until now, when all we have is the islands and the underwater structures leading to them. From their natural migration from the lowest point of the island to the higher point that is now several islands.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Normal migration pattern. Absolutely. Logical migration pattern. There was a city known as Atlantis.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or a settlement or something. Maybe could have been hyper advanced, but there was no point in. Maybe they couldn't protect it the way we're assuming they did. Maybe that's impossible.

Cristina: Okay, so they just moved out of there. Yeah, eventually.

Jack: Not even fast. Just slowly, slowly moved out.

Cristina: So it just looks like something's there, but what they left behind.

Jack: Yes, just slowly as they built roads and, you know.

Cristina: Mm. Kind of like that other place that we talked about last week. Like it was there and then the water and then they left. Like there's no reason to stay there. Oh yeah, they sank it. So crazy. Okay, wow.

Jack: Here it just. These are just logical scientific explanations for like what's the most likely, based on common knowledge. Yeah. Maybe they just settled in one spot. And as water levels over thousands of years rose, they kept moving and building where they are. They just build where they are, but they're always moving where they are over hundreds of years, you know, so they're.

Cristina: Probably not there anymore.

Jack: I'm probably not there anymore. The structures are probably down buried in the water somewhere as debris and crap lands on it and covers it over thousands and thousands of years. But like, we see things here and there, we see statues here and there, all spread out under the ocean within this area. But ultimately it was just the migration pattern. They settled low and over thousands of years kept moving. And we see all the structures from their migration patterns to the higher points that are now all the islands okay. And as they went higher, less space, more people in that space leads to more war and less resources. People eventually die out. If this was a giant location, and that would explain the lack of these individuals. Now, funny enough, the opposite argument of the it being a giant single landmass that was one giant collective of people. If it was one giant thing, and they were all the Elysians, as the lower parts of this giant metropolis kept getting drowned out, again, they just moved to the higher points.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And higher and higher. More of a seamless transition. So if it was all a single thing, they get to the top. And the only question is, where did the structures go in that argument? In the second argument, they killed each other trying to survive. Everything kind of disappears.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They murdered one another just trying to survive.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: And that would lead us to, you know, where is the stuff? Well, we can see it underwater, but where'd they go? Well, they got.

Cristina: They're dead.

Jack: Yeah, it got. It got narrow.

Cristina: It got dark. Okay.

Jack: It got narrow. And so the problems with this theory is that there is a lack of above ground evidence in the form of local structures similar to the ones beneath the ocean. That's a problem. There's little information matching the data that aligns with what the Egyptians and the Mayans claim happened. There's not anything saying this is the path that took place. The increase in sea Height, level since 20,000 years ago suggests this could make sense. Though it is a great argument in that lack of evidence in the form of matching records as well. There's nothing along those lines. And lack of evidence in the form of not just statues underwater, but any kind of formation or migration pattern that shows them coming out of the water, other than the structures, doesn't exist.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: At this point, all we have is the Bermuda Road.

Cristina: All that there is that would point.

Jack: Like a literal path going into the water. And so hard to argue these because.

Cristina: It looks like they just disappeared. If we were just to follow the.

Jack: Path, yes, it looks like it's just nothing there. But again, it's also really hard to find things considering that 20,000 years is a really long time. We're talking erosion, we're talking a tectonic plate movements, we're talking debris from above the ocean currents and water bearing things slowly 20,000 years, anything will disappear. Even if it's still there, it would be invisible to us. Just like Dwarka. Dwarka wasn't 20,000 years ago. Dwarka was only 9,000 years ago. And it's completely underwater stories. Yeah, we have stories and sonar imaging. That's it. Because it's almost completely buried just by natural. Natural causes. Nature did it. It's just completely underwater. Other than them sinking it to the bottom, they didn't bury it. They just let it sink time buried it. Yeah. 20,000 years is twice the buried.

Cristina: Mm

Jack: And actually no, because 20,000 years is way more water level rising. The swallow it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So it's more and more and more buried, especially if it began at the bottom.

Cristina: That's crazy. Yeah. There's no way to see what was there.

Jack: Now we go to the two other possibilities, the ones that would line up with the records, but that don't line up with the water level. So the records. This is a big problem. Right. Because natural understanding of how migration and things happen suggests the water level makes perfect sense. Except where the f*** is everybody Then? The opposite is what do the records of the Mayans, the Egyptians, the Greek, the Indians, the settlements locally, they got a different story about what these people did and where they were. And their stories work together. They corroborate, even if they never. Well, yeah, we've discussed it.

Cristina: Yeah, but there's new stories or you got a new connection to what they said?

Jack: I'm not talking about anything that they said. I'm using that data to do what I did with the previous two things, but now only aligning to the existing stories we've discussed. I'm not adding stories, we're just using those stories to conclude what's going on.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And this would take place between the year 4 BCE and 6 CE. That's before the current era and after the current era. Okay, now interesting idea here for this possibility. They get to the Atlantic Ocean and they head towards these islands. And group three, keep in mind group one goes north, likely to the Norse areas, Norway and Ireland and those kind of areas. One goes to the place known today as Gaza in Palestine, which used to be the Philistines. We have genetic markers to prove that. And the other side going to the Atlantic Ocean, the third group breaks off into two groups.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Well, that's a theory. One settling on the islands today known as the Bahama Islands and Bimini and this in that region. Okay, mostly the Bimini Islands. And one goes to what is known as Atlantis. That group splitting off into two would allow them to both have the mention of Atlantis and to have the Bimini road. The road is then a connecting point between these two places where they settled both.

Cristina: Okay, so there they are still around in the meaning island. No, they're not oh, okay.

Jack: They would just be in Atlantis. Oh, but they settled these two at some point would be the argument here. And the road would have just been a connecting path to these settlements and. Or city. It could have been a settlement and a city. Now, in the case that this did happen, they would have probably begun on Bimini, landed there first, and settled there, building their way to Atlantis with their technology. If Atlantis wasn't already an existing structure, they could settle here, have just a con. We know they did this before because of Mananaan. They had settlements on Ireland. While they did what? They built the island, they worked on the island. They kept coming back and forward from Ireland to this island in order to study the things on it.

Cristina: Okay, so it could be a similar situation.

Jack: It could be a similar situation. They did something like this before, and so they didn't need to leave any thing there. They just needed to be there while they built Atlantis. Okay, and what we see is literally just a path of moving construction material.

Cristina: Yes, that makes sense.

Jack: Even if it's underwater, if you have a rover that's carrying it all, well, you don't want this rover all lumpy underwater, going up and down hills. You pave the road underwater leading to where you're building, and that will allow you to do that even if your tech can handle it. You want to efficientize your process, especially if you're trying to hide.

Cristina: But they're building underwater.

Jack: The idea would be they're building Atlantis underwater. This would only been 2,000 years ago. This isn't 20,000 years ago.

Cristina: Okay, okay. Crazy. All right.

Jack: Yeah. This is. They left because of whatever thing happened 2000 years ago around the time of Jesus. And as a result, they decided to. They first landed at this island and then started building Atlantis, which is why we hear about Atlantis. Most of these explanations are why do we hear about Atlantis and not. Not anything else.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so that's a good way to explain it.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay, that's fine.

Jack: You know, perfectly logical. If these two groups did divide and they didn't do it this way, maybe they'd already been working on Atlantis, but they needed a way to reach people other than teleportation. Purely. And the reason we find no technology would be because of an agreement between both sides. The technology is required to sustain Atlantis. And the group of people that settled on the Bimini Islands would be the gatekeepers. They know how to reach the island. They know how to reach Atlantis. For those who don't know or are too far to reach one of the mountains. Okay, they can Guide you there to Atlantis. They know where exactly? They know how to navigate into Bermuda. They know how to do all that stuff and then get you to Atlantis. So they don't need any technology. They lived like primitive people, intentionally so that there would be no technology. So there's no signature that somebody could track them through.

Cristina: That's pretty crazy though. I don't know.

Jack: Break off into two groups. One goes into Atlantis, the other one stays on the islands. People who can determine these people aren't primitive, they're pretending to be.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Would then know to ask them to get to Atlantis. And they would know because they're pretending to be primitive.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's part of the deal. You guys settle up here, we'll settle down there. Just a few of you will be the guides. Gatekeepers. Preventing people from getting to us, but showing those who manner how to get to us.

Cristina: Interesting. That's a. Interesting idea. I don't know. Different.

Jack: Yeah, it's a definitely different. It's, you know, but again an explanation. And the Bimini road would have been originally a construction path. And before most people had the ability to go deep into the water and follow the road, maybe they at least knew under the water where is the rover that they could dig up and drive somebody.

Cristina: Okay. It does feel like those that it is a construction path and not an actual normal path of just straight to it.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, it's. Yeah, that definitely might be the most possible. Yeah. So this would be very likely if they did split off into two groups. And one would be the protective primitive seeming group that works as the gatekeepers. And the technology would have all been in Atlantis.

Cristina: But would they have eventually gone into Atlantis as well?

Jack: Yes, presumably eventually when it became too dangerous, they would have either died out on top of or gone home to just leave no trace of their existence ever again. That would be the logical conclusion here.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Possibility. And that would be option three. Okay, so so far we have one giant landmass. It was either a country or a continent. And they were either the major location. It was a New York, New York situation. A popular, militarized, most densely populated, most technologically advanced. For some reason, hearing about Atlantis is because Atlantis was more important than the rest of the overwater landmass.

Cristina: Yes. And it's slowly underwater.

Jack: Yes. The other is they settled at the bottom. That died out. There's no such thing as Atlantis. If there was, it was just the first thing mentioned. And as it broke off into smaller islands, as the water level rise, the concept of the continent of Atlantis dissolves. And just these islands remain.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Then we have this group breaking off into two. One, protecting, which again, falls with the narrative of they still communicate with people. They still showed up and communicated with the Greek. Terrorized some individuals here and there as well. Only experimented on humans left and right, I guess. But they were still around. And they had mountain peaks to reach people. Maybe physical ways to get to them as well. Maybe it wasn't all transportation. Maybe it was if you can find these people, you can get there. If you don't know where the mountains.

Cristina: Are, yeah, they'll tell you. I do like that. I also like the first one, but. Okay.

Jack: And then along the lines of this narrative we've uncovered, with all the other people's stories lining up, this is one possibility. This has them going west very different than the ones who went north and the ones that stopped in Gaza. But it lines up with that narrative. They went west, and this is the area they would have gone to. And this makes sense as a move to protect themselves. All of the above fits with this, minus the existence of Bimini. Again, it could have been a construction road. It could be a literal path down there. The third, the fourth one is the alternate migration pattern. So the idea here is first they migrated to Bimini. Maybe it was more important to get the f*** out of the Persian Gulf oasis. And who cares where. This lines up with the fact that they did break off into three groups initially.

Cristina: Okay. You know, and they ended up in Benimini.

Jack: Yeah, they just got the f*** out of the Persian Gulf oasis. Some went north somewhere in the Gaza, some crossed the ocean. Everybody was just getting the f*** out of the Persian Gulf oasis by any means necessary. And maybe that took priority.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And once they landed there, they could again establish developing technologies over time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Allowing them to explore deeper into the ocean, eventually settling Atlantis. So Atlantis would have come later. They landed at Bimini and worked to get to Atlantis.

Cristina: That's the hardest one to believe. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. But this one lines up again with the. It being a construction path. While option three suggests they broke off evenly, this is the option that suggests it is a construction road. And it was entirely not a connecting point, but rather. And I mean, not, not, not a connecting point, but it wasn't designed just to be. Travel back and forth or take people from one side to the other. It was entirely, let's take resources down there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To build where we're gonna live. And this did. The panic with which they evacuated, the entire Persian Gulf oasis would align with this. Settle wherever we can, and then we'll find something. But we have to leave.

Cristina: But they get there when it's already underwater.

Jack: What do you mean when it's already underwater?

Cristina: Like when they go to be. Meaning there's. It's an island.

Jack: It's an island. 2000 years ago, everything is just islands. Only 20000 years ago was it one landmass. Okay, this is 2000 years ago when they left Jesus's birth area. Yeah, these are islands. Now these have been islands for about 10,000 years. Okay, so yes, everything was an island. The scenario which is a continent, would require this to have happened 20,000 years ago. Those were the first two, these are the second two. These are happening only 2,000 years ago. All of these places are islands. Like I said 20,000 years ago the sea levels were 400ft lower. Yeah, 2,000 years ago it was only about a foot lower. Okay, so it was islands. And again, this does perfectly line up with a desperate escape. You know, get somewhere safe first.

Cristina: Yeah, and it makes them sound extremely advanced. If it only took them 2000 years to make that Atlantic City underwater instead of Atlantis. Yeah, Atlantis underwater, it would have taken.

Jack: Them way less 2000 years. Would have assumed they finished it like among the last couple of years.

Cristina: Yeah, that's ridiculous. Advancement like that's too advanced. But I don't know, like they are supposed to be advanced, but that's kind of crazy.

Jack: No, it didn't take them 2,000 years to do it.

Cristina: If they got there 2,000 years ago.

Jack: If it took them two. If they got there 2000 years ago and it took them 2000 years to do it, they would have done it within our parents lifetime. That's when they would have finished Atlantis.

Cristina: But no, I guess not. But like they. How long do you think it took them after?

Jack: Well, the argument here would be that it was under a hundred years.

Cristina: 100 years.

Jack: That's still so along the time we start seeing the Knights Templar would have been when they were now no longer worried about building.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it becomes about fixing the narrative to protect themselves. Yes, now hiding is no longer the issue. Hiding the data is.

Cristina: Yeah, but they're so advanced they made something underwater in 200 years.

Jack: Well, based on what they already had under the water into Persian. Keep in mind this is following the narrative of the data that the people are telling us were already super crazy. Hyper advanced. Yeah, it would have taken them no time to do what they already had. They just didn't do it overground. They did what they already had in the Persian Gulf oasis, which was underwater already. And so it was much easier once you have the technology, even if they didn't take the tech, they know how to do it. And even if they didn't take the tech, maybe they left the way in and out of the Persian Gulf oasis that allowed them to take the technology to the Bimini Islands. And then without taking a portal straight to Atlantis, they then have a road to deliver the things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Thus keeping them safe. And nobody who lands on these islands would know. And then they just destroy the portal they were bringing the things through.

Cristina: Okay, so there are ways.

Jack: Yeah, they could have brought a lot of things out of the Persian Gulf oasis from inside their home in the palace of Alcaraz and just kept bringing things out regularly and using this technology to build more technology. All they needed initially was the bubble that would protect where they'd build the city. Once that's dry, everything else is easy.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Once it's dry, you're good. So you create the force field underwater, establish drain all the water out of it, and then you're good.

Cristina: And they did it before because they were already living underwater.

Jack: They were already living underwater. We don't know how they built that. No idea how they built the palace of Alcaraz. That's crazy. But it was there. On the flip side, if that was built by Yahweh 20,000 years ago, then maybe that was also above ground.

Cristina: That could be. I don't know. Because we know it makes more sense if these things are above ground and then they protected it going under.

Jack: So the possibility would be a combination of 1 and 4. 20,000 years ago, Yahweh was around. We just don't know anything about him. And also, water level was 400ft lower. The entire Persian Gulf oasis was above ground. The Alicians could have settled there. They could have also created Atlantis at that point.

Cristina: Yeah, that seems most likely.

Jack: MANANAN was about 7,000 years back, so at least that far back we had different settlements.

Cristina: Yeah, it's hard to imagine that they just had one.

Jack: With the size and technologies they had, they must have been. And we know 200,000 years ago, we're dealing with LOI up to 3 million years ago, we're dealing with at least an individual called Eloi, which could have been several different people. And if it's several different people, which is the most likely possibility, unless these beings aren't purely human or aren't human but humanoid.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Live exceptionally long, we would. We would assume it's different people.

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: And Loi is a title and that's why Yahweh went by Loi at some point. And that's why Jehovah gets confused for Loi, because they all received that title.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And if that's the case, and this is a 3 million year old civilization, they would have had to had settlements.

Cristina: Yes. It makes no sense that they just have one city and then that went down and then they have a second city and that's the whole history.

Jack: Well, no, after that first city, when goes down, they would have three. We just.

Cristina: Oh yeah, plus those other two.

Jack: One of them got enslaved, presumably by the shadow people, which is where Gaza landed. The other one disappeared somewhere up north, likely just merging in with their people over there into the invisible island. And the ones that went west. But there would have had to be more. They only just abandoned the Persian Gulf oasis, which might have been the capital city to these people. The most important location, kind of akin to what Israel is to the Jews. It's the middle point of wherever Jews are anywhere on earth, Israel is the middle point to them. Israel is the important location. So if we think of it that way, the Persian Gulf oasis might have just been the point. It was the center. Regardless of where all the settlements are, your governing body is in the Persian.

Cristina: Gulf oasis because that's where they're trading with everyone anyway.

Jack: Yes, well, they're not trading from trading.

Cristina: But yeah, but it's easy to travel from there to the other countries.

Jack: So either that's the main governing body or just a really great point to connect to everybody else. That's also likely where most of their scientific advancements happen. If it was at that point the most advanced city they had, or maybe it was always Atlantis and as the water levels rose, we just 20,000 years lost a lot of information.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we're just more familiar with the Persian Gulf oasis. But maybe Atlantis was there the whole time.

Cristina: It could happen. It really could have been.

Jack: Yeah, you really could have been. So it's possible that it's a merge of for N1 and yes, all of this was above ground and they didn't have to migrate because they had such great technology. They're like, no, this is even better for us. If we put these things in place. As everything gets swallowed up, we'll just be secretive by default.

Cristina: Okay. And you said that's how many years ago?

Jack: 20,000 years ago is when the water level was 400ft lower and the evacuation from the Persian Gulf Oasis happened 2,000 years ago.

Cristina: And that other place in India when did that go Underwater?

Jack: Dwarka was 9,000 years ago.

Cristina: 9,000, okay.

Jack: Dwarka was 2,000 years before Mananan settled in Ireland.

Cristina: But Dwarka is unrelated. It's so crazy.

Jack: Dwarka isn't related. Dwarka is on the old equator. So it could be one of the other civilizations.

Cristina: Now we gotta re. Investigate those other civilizations.

Jack: Yeah, basically, it's a lot of revisiting things and looking at it differently.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So with this information, it's absolutely possible that there are a ton of Elysian settlements. And that's the. The fact that a lot of the Middle east and Eastern Europe all have the same argument of the sea people are pirates and terrorists and whatever and this and that. This giant, unfathomable technologically advanced force maybe with several individuals from the same groups. We know that there are the main figureheads. But obviously like when current civilization collapses, we're not going to remember Bob from down the street. The names that are going to echo through time are Steve Jobs, President Barack Obama. You know, those names are going to sustain as the elites that mattered. And everybody else is going to.

Cristina: We don't know any normal elation. We don't know.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. Everybody had significant importance and that's why they were recorded over and over and over and over to the point that we hear about them even now, thousands of years later. That's why they were recorded under the Sphinx and under the Castillo.

Cristina: Interesting. Yeah. Except for that random lawyer. I don't know how his story was recorded, except that his sister ended up becoming important.

Jack: Yes. So I think it's more about her story that we found out about his.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: He was just somebody important in her life. And him. Yeah, it's really her story because him introducing her to the Shadow Realm is what allowed her to meet Ixshaw.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then Inan and Ixshaw swap places. So it's really. His story was just about introducing her to the right circumstances.

Cristina: Okay, so not even he's random.

Jack: Okay, not even his random. Interesting. Right. With this data, we have the possibility of multiple settlements. We know that there is something sketchy about Yahweh and why we can't find his information. Maybe he is and has been the person who's in charge of Atlantis the way that Jehovah was in charge of the Persian Gulf oasis. That's another way to look at it. He could have been the president. He could have been the mayor. He could have been whatever. Of Atlantis.

Cristina: Yes, Leader.

Jack: Yeah, the leader. There you go. The leader of Atlantis and Jehovah. His son was the leader of the Persian. Which also kind of leans into the kings and queen scenario, that your descendants are the ones who will be in charge.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. They could have had something like that there.

Jack: We know they had crowns. We know they had thrones. We know they had a lot of symbolism. They had religion. They were also Rhoastrian.

Cristina: What's that?

Jack: A religion?

Cristina: What's it called again?

Jack: Zoroastrian. Oh, Zoroastrianism predates Islam.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And so, like the guy who discovered the magnum opus, he was a Zoroastrian, a Greek Zoroastrian. And. Yeah. So this suggests that there are many settlements. We know of a couple of them, but it suggests not settlements, but rather the Persian Gulf oasis wasn't the only actual established city. And the invisible island wasn't either. It would also be Atlantis, most likely. And this lines up with the narrative that's provided to us by the other civilizations that have records that survived.

Cristina: Yes. So they're everywhere. Probably. I mean, there's probably more that we don't know about.

Jack: There's probably more that we don't know about. And it's possible Jesus knew about a lot of these places too. We don't understand what the point of going straight to Japan was. But maybe there were settlements along the way. Maybe he was in contact with the Elysians. I don't know.

Cristina: It's hard to tell. I don't know. Because he went through China. He went. He went all over the world. I don't know.

Jack: Well, at least east.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's very confusing. But that being said, it doesn't look like the Elysians went anywhere east. It looks like the most eastern location they had was the Persian Gulf voices. It looks like they purely went west while Jesus purely went east.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Opposite directions.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Kind of hard, too.

Cristina: Was that on purpose? I don't know.

Jack: Jesus definite maybe Jesus did do it on purpose. Jesus might have gone the opposite direction where he knows there aren't elisions.

Cristina: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay. I think that too, because of the whole handwriting thing. Like he was trying to keep himself, even though they can dream about him, at least when he was born.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: We don't know if they continue dreaming about him, because that'd be crazy. They can just watch his every move or whatever. But.

Jack: Yeah, well, no, I think that stopped. Like he learned to control that or whatnot.

Cristina: Yeah. But yeah, I think he wanted to hide himself from them too.

Jack: Well, actually, according to all the texts, it only happened that his birth, like a Giant mental shock wave sent through time. At his birth, it hit forward and it hit back, but only of that moment. So that everybody knew where they were. No, it was actually not even his birth. It was his conception.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Yeah. At his conception, a mental wave shot across the earth, a psychic wave. And everybody had visions of him in the future, of him staying there and in the future and in the past. So they, in the future, in the past, all saw the his life there. So they moved and casted him so he wouldn't have a life near them.

Cristina: And he stayed away from them.

Jack: And he stayed away. He went farther away from them. They went west. They went north and west, spreading out in every direction. He went east, away from all their settlements. Their narratives are trying to suppress his existence, his honest existence.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Fascinating.

Cristina: Yes. Because he doesn't want to do anything with them either. Or at least it doesn't seem.

Jack: At least it doesn't seem that way. Interesting though. So the possibility that Atlantis does in fact exist and is where Yahweh has been and that it's on a continent. It had a former continent.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that if the water. So it would be everything, all of the above. Right. It would be. They got there, it was a single continent. This was the most important location or the most advanced. It was led by Yahweh, most likely. As the world water level started to rise, they were the only ones not to migrate away. They put technology that allows them to cover themselves. As the water level rises, the city most likely sinks even deeper because of tectonic plate movement. 20,000 years, they could just disappear under not just the water, but under the ground, underneath the water, which would even support crap like hollow earth. Like maybe that's just them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And they're even covered by dirt, so it's not just water.

Cristina: Okay. So you can never find them.

Jack: You can never find them. And only they know the ways in and out. And so that means that. Yes, single continent. Yes, they were the most important place there. Yes, there were people on what's the islands of today. Most likely they had individuals of their own on these islands, living amongst the other people. But eventually they even evacuated that and the Persian Gulf oasis people had a location to go to after they left that spot. Yes, left the spot. One of the three groups, the ones that went north, also had settlements to go to. The real question becomes what happened to the ones that went to Gaza. We know that all other cultures describe not the current day Jews, but the Jews of that time were being described as shadow people from the Other side. So the argument would be, were they cut off by these people and they landed there and were trapped.

Cristina: And it somehow has to do with stones or something.

Jack: Yes. The possibility of preserving these people for the time when they figure out how to make philosopher's stones again. Which could be today, it could be what's happening now. Except all they need is the DNA. So these people are now mixed with human, but they still have the DNA. And the shadow people are either indistinguishable from human, or these are descendants of the ones that went through the process to be humanoid, like Lucifer. And so they're also indistinguishable from humans. It's two groups of people who are indistinguishable from humans. But we can track a genetic marker that's non existent anywhere else in the people of Gaza. And we know factually that the country of Israel just happened right after World War II. That didn't exist prior to that. Okay, so two groups of people who shouldn't even exist. Both do in the same region, and one is attacking the other. Neither should exist. Both attacking each other. Well, one attacking the other.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In what seems to be the plan originally to create philosopher's stones, you would need to make the best philosopher's stones by killing people with the Elysian blood.

Cristina: Whose plan, though?

Jack: And it's a long plan too. Yes, we're talking long game.

Cristina: Because of course, it can't be the Alicians. They wouldn't. I mean, I don't maybe. I don't know. I don't think so.

Jack: I don't think so either. I think it wasn't avoiding Jesus. I think people knowing where they're hidden place. If this happened 20,000 years ago and this was overground, and that was overground. And then they let themselves be consumed by water because they had the technology and the infrastructure to support themselves. Then secrecy became part of their lifestyle. Then this psychic wave goes in every direction and people know where you are now. And then we see what's happening today. And the fact that when that migration happened, one of the three groups got cut off and forced into this little spot. Okay, Maybe the Alicians were avoiding something more dangerous that also received the psychic wave that told them where they were.

Cristina: I wonder. Okay.

Jack: Need a leash and blood to make the best stone.

Cristina: I don't know. Who could it be? Because you only think of the Alicians as a top.

Jack: Yeah, I mean, we obviously don't know. It's not like we're gonna sit here and just come up with an answer. But. But they seem to have also avoided something that they lasted longer than everybody else avoiding. That is the last mass evacuation we know about. The Alicians. They stood their ground longer than everybody else until Jesus was born and a mental shockwave went out.

Cristina: Yes, it could be shadow people, but I don't think so.

Jack: Why would the Shadow people be stronger than the Alicians? That's the problem. Bare minimum they would be equal. And there's way more Elysians.

Cristina: Okay, what about rogue Nagas? Is that something to fear?

Jack: There are rogue Naga but I don't know why they would need anything from the Elysian. They would be more overpowered by the fault. I think they're more akin to like angels protecting the gods of destruction in Dragon Ball. You know, like obviously way stronger than the God of destruction and your job is just to assist them. Them Naga seemed to be that infinite intelligence. They can bend space itself. They just do whatever the you want though. They don't back talk or I'm just like okay, sure.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: So it wouldn't look like they would need any of that. And if they needed to find you, they probably easily could without needing that shockwave to go out.

Cristina: Okay, yeah.

Jack: So there's something else. But that even the Elysians needed to leave once it knew where they were but what that would be. So yeah, this is basically what we got. This set of information that enlightens us into this migration and what could and what it could mean. The possibility that Atlantis has always been around is there now.

Cristina: Makes sense.

Jack: Makes sense.

Cristina: Makes sense.

Jack: At least through all the data we've looked at. And it would explain where Yahweh was then that it was impossible to find anything on the guy. We find things about people before him, we find things about people after him. And his only mentions are casually through those but never about him directly.

Cristina: He's underwater.

Jack: He could just be in this city that's buried and invisible to the rest of us. President, Leader, Leader.

Cristina: His best leader.

Jack: Way to zone in on that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it kind of leans into the royalty aspect of if you're here and you sent your son to go rule over there. There's this aspect of you your descendants are naturally the people in charge.

Cristina: I think so. The kings. Yep.

Jack: Yep. Anywho. So that's what we got. That's where we are. So if you guys have any idea about any additional bits, tidbits of information, anything you might find relative. Were talking about. What seems more plausible out of these options. What seems less likely based on everything we already know. You could, you know, hit us up on our socials and let us know at just convopod that's on X, on Facebook, on Instagram, on TikTok, wherever.

Cristina: Yes, I really think the big island thing makes more sense than they just quickly made something in their water.

Jack: But yes, I do agree. I think that it's a combination of all these things and were over water to begin with.

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September 21, 2024

Rambling 290: Connecting the Dots Part 2

September 21, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Is there anything the duo missed? What could it be? What’s hidden within the research that hasn’t yet been spotted? The duo deep dive into a conversation attempting to connect any dots missed and in search of any information overlooked that might have been significant. What they discover changes everything they know with answers that have been right under their noses all along!

+Episode Details

Elysians
Greek Gods
Ancient Experiments
Shadow Realm
Jinn
Lucifer and Samael
Shinto Gates

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas as you usually do.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. It's very fun to do.

Jack: Very fun to ground baffling ideas.

Cristina: Yes. Yes.

Jack: Yeah. So today I would like us to kind of just jump back and forth discussing the details that we've recently come across that have less to do with the Elysians and more to do with Clinton Road, its surrounding environment, and the details we found out that work as crossing lines between these two ongoing, infinite topics. Although Clinton Road itself isn't a giant ongoing topic, as opposed to the individual facets of it, we find that connect to other bigger, wide pictures. Although there is a huge Clinton Road picture.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Also, apparently I don't take enough pauses when I talk.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, so it goes as follows. A person can process when you pause the talk. So if I say I'm a very quick speaker, I toss a bunch of information, but it starts to jumble and get muddy and jumble and get muddy as more things start to fall. Because people don't normally think at the pace that I'm communicating.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: People tend to think at a slower pace. So I gotta throw a couple of things and then take a pause.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's a moment for them to kind of consider. Look at it like this. Now, I could explain to you that the Elysians and the Greek are both related as well as the Mayans and the Egyptians in some kind of larger scale group of people who are always doing experiments. This takes place roughly around the first century and before going back, including all these individuals about 12,000 years backwards. And then if we just remove all the other groups and leave only the Elysians, go back about a hundred thousand to two hundred thousand years and then focus entirely only on the grandfather of Jehovah going back up to 3 million years. All of these people can collectively reinforce the same ideas. And we can go even further back if we go into the shadow realm that happened long before this point. All of this information summed and thrown at a person is a lot to deal with. Now, if I were to tell you that the Elysians were the direct rivals of the Greek and take a pause. Now you're like, okay, I got the picture.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: With them, were working with the Elysians, specifically were working the Egyptians and the Mayan and Together, they were kind of working into a bigger picture that involved killing any kind of starvation that could possibly happen. Usually. Focus with the Mayans that were dealing with crops and advanced botanics, as well as they were dealing with portals and things of that nature. And the Egyptians, who were working on immense energy storage and immense energy collection. Pauses between these points allows a little more processing, a little more thinking about what I said.

Cristina: Because the Greeks, though, even though the people were not really working with anyone, you don't think the scientist part. The gods weren't working with the Greeks.

Jack: And I mean, it was literally the.

Cristina: Greeks with the Mayans and the Egyptians.

Jack: Well, what we know is literally they couldn't access the technologies that the other guys had. So they're working with them and what. Not getting any benefit from the interaction.

Cristina: Because they were still able. They were not involved in that whole.

Jack: Not a single stone.

Cristina: Not the stone.

Jack: Well, that would be what everybody was.

Cristina: Striving for, those trips to the mountains. What was that about?

Jack: To communicate. Oh, they were dealing. That wasn't with the Egyptians or the Mayan. That was specifically with the Alicians.

Cristina: Okay. The Greeks and them.

Jack: Yeah, it was the.

Cristina: They weren't getting technology from that.

Jack: It was trade, but not. And, yeah, I believe it. I believe this was the science. So it was like the Greek gods who were doing this.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Working with the Egyptian, the Elysian.

Cristina: Yeah. So they were probably getting something.

Jack: Trade. It was trade through necessity.

Cristina: Yes, but info science.

Jack: Except we don't have any. Any basis to claim that the Greek.

Cristina: Got anything, because their things are pretty secretive. I don't know. Every story we have of them is just what people imagine was happening. And then we find out through putting it together, it was something. A whole different situation.

Jack: Who, the Greek?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Well, some of the things. Some of the things are just flat out written.

Cristina: Some of them. Well, I guess a lot of them feel like it's not telling us the.

Jack: Actual story in some cases, like when we think about the Minotaur and the Tora Boban.

Cristina: But the most recent stories. Yes.

Jack: Yeah, but then we're still talking about human sacrifice as opposed to. We're talking about blood. We're talking about sacrificing, we're talking about opening rifts through these methods as opposed to, oh, I have a stone or I know a guy who can break the laws of physics. It's kind of different. It feels different, at least.

Cristina: Yeah, the Mayans feel different from the Egyptians and they were using the same.

Jack: Technology because they were literally sharing technology.

Cristina: But they felt different from each Other.

Jack: Yes. While the Greek have zero example of using the same technology. That is my point. My point is literally what you just said.

Cristina: Which is what?

Jack: The Mayan seem different than the Egyptians.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But are using the same technology.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The Greek seemed different than the Egyptians, the Mayans, and the Elysians, and had none of the same technologies.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: A perfect example being the Toro Boban and the Minotaur.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There is no example of somebody using mixing of different chimeras. And there is no example of any of these groups relying purely on adrenochrome variations in order to accomplish these things. They all had access to some way to bypass the need for adrenochrome. In fact, they were quite exclusively trying to avoid using adrenochrome. They would sooner abolish the existence of an entire people through genocide in order to make a stone. So they themselves wouldn't be subject to adrenochrome, but they wouldn't share that with the. With the Greek that seemed obligated to use adrenoco. Alternatively, let's play devil's advocate and go with what you're saying. Let me stop being the no. The no. And. And let me start being the yes and. Right.

Jack: Let's. Let's get the ball rolling with a yes. And let me be less negative. Let's assume they are, in fact working together. Then that means the Greek didn't give a. And still used adrenochrome despite all the other. It would make no sense on paper if you got something a thousand, billion, trillion times stronger than any form of adrenochrome. But. Okay, so you guys are idiots. You want to both use the adrenochrome and the stone. So you're like, it, I'll get addicted?

Cristina: Well, we don't know. Were they using.

Jack: Yes. They had literal ambrosia. That's where we found it through. They had ichor, which is where we found it through. And they had is ichor. Ambrosia and nectar. That's all Greek. They were the ones who figured these things out by distilling through their own bodies.

Cristina: You're saying the Mayans and the Egyptians had none of that going on?

Jack: Nope. They had the flower one. They had the fruits. They had the stones. They had every other method that prevented them from getting addicted. Okay, and the Greek had nothing but drowning in addiction. They had all of this s***. They're like, yes, more of it. Okay, but then our assumption would be that they had access to all these other methods and still recklessly got addicted to all this that's where we're standing. If they did in fact share these sciences, that means knowing they were all going to be fiends for the rest of infinity and knowing that with the stones.

Cristina: And what if they volunteered to test it out? No, they would have already known. The sea people. I mean, like.

Jack: Yeah, they way before long, long, long beforehand. They only went on the quest to find these things and recreate them because they had the data that proved it ex from people long before them.

Cristina: The times. It makes it very confusing.

Jack: Yeah. Because we think about Jehovah and his group of people starting about 12,000 BC.

Cristina: Ridiculous.

Jack: But that has nothing to do with the amount of data and hardcore research that existed and was passed down for 1000-001500-00200, 303 million years.

Cristina: How are you supposed to. That's a lot of time.

Jack: That's a lot of time. All passed by people from beforehand. And we still have no, and I've looked. We still have no idea how Lilith connects through such different gaps in time. She's. Shadow people live weird, man. Yes, that's some other crap. And we know this because as a shadow person, Yaldabaoth. Also like how you connect with these people through giant gaps in time.

Cristina: And shadow people are in all these groups?

Jack: Yes. It seems that every single group, without exception, except the Greek. It's unsure.

Cristina: It's unsure.

Jack: They have Naga. But I don't know if they've got shadow people. I don't quite remember.

Cristina: I can't quite remember either. There might be like one character that might be questionable.

Jack: It could be the case. There could be. But if they were, it was insignificant enough. Yeah, like they wouldn't stand out to the point that we would just memorize. Because I know Kido. Kido out here making experiments, trying to recreate Naga. That stands out off the top of my head. You know, I know that there is a plethora of different creatures they interacted with a thousand billion trillion times, but I can't actually pinpoint or think of an instance in which the Greek had specifically a shadow person.

Cristina: No, but we know they were going to the Shadow realm.

Jack: Yes, yes, we know that they definitely figured ways out. They had gates and they were. Man, they would have to have had a shadow person that was just useless or something. Right.

Cristina: But then how would they have made the gate in the first place?

Jack: They don't need a shadow person to make a gate.

Cristina: How would they know about the Shadow realm?

Jack: Just the same way a bunch of other people do. They do weird things.

Cristina: I Don't know. That's very weird.

Jack: I'm sure they would still know. You're assuming a weird level of ignorance here. You're assuming that they're aware of things that they're not aware, that they simply. Like what then? What's your competition? You believe you've already figured it out. There's nothing for you to figure out if you believe you're the top because you just don't know what they're doing. You must have known or caught whiff of something in order to experiment in that direction. Otherwise your stories wouldn't claim that the Aletians are anything. You already believe you're the best. Okay, you get my point. You would already believe you're the best.

Cristina: Okay, that makes sense.

Jack: Presumably, so I don't know. If there is a shadow person, it's in somebody irrelevant. Somebody in the background.

Cristina: Yes. But they do have a gate, and.

Jack: They have a what?

Cristina: That they do have a gate to the shadow realm. That seems like the thing that all three of them have in common. Then.

Jack: Which was their gate? I don't even remember their gate in the maze. Oh, crap. Yeah. We just talked about their maze. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're totally right.

Cristina: They have one for sure.

Jack: But. Yeah, for bare minimum, there is one. But if you think of that narrative, it doesn't include anything. It just really has these Chimera. It has Poseidon, who's just a Greek guy.

Cristina: He's the one making the.

Jack: Yeah, he's the one who made. He didn't make the maze, but he made the creatures that guard it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And the guy who made the maze is just one of the gods as well. Like, none of these people are.

Cristina: There must be a reason. I don't know.

Jack: I mean, obviously there must be a reason.

Cristina: What do they get? Do they cross? I mean, they don't cross, but, like, who's crossing to visit them? What are they doing with those people?

Jack: That is the question. Right. I couldn't find anything on that while looking at that, because I'm like, you clearly have a gay. And, you know, deep dive into find anything.

Cristina: And we know it's the entrance, and then we know the mentor is leading them to the group or at.

Jack: Out of the maze.

Cristina: Out of the maze to the group.

Jack: Out of the maze. Never said to the group, okay, out of the maze. They're being led out of the maze. I don't know who's greeting them at the other end, or if it's just like, hey, you're free. Go do what you gotta do for.

Cristina: Them just to, like. I don't know. Because we know there's a group of scientists in the Shadow Realm that don't communicate with anyone, or at least the other ones. If they're not communicating with them, then maybe.

Jack: That's fascinating. The group that Lucifer and Lilith went and made the Shadow Gods. You're totally correct. You're really right. Okay, hold on. Let me go look at the Shadow Gods real quick, because there's a bunch of individuals. We got Lilith, we got Samael, which was the physical copy that Lucifer embodied.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Samael is also Lilith's hubby. I guess he's in love with her. We got Bow. We got. Yeah, it's a bunch of people, bro. We got. There's a bunch of Shadow Realm individuals from the Shadow Realm. Shadow Realm?

Cristina: Are they just sticking to the Shadow Realm or are they coming over here?

Jack: There's some Elysians, Belial. There's Azazel, the Elysian. There's Abraxas, the Elysian. Interesting. And these people are the rejects. Those that do not want to work with the Mayan, the Elysians, or the Egyptians.

Cristina: But they got my. They have Alicians with them.

Jack: They have Elysians with them. But these are outcasts.

Cristina: Yes. Because, like, how is the Greek gonna touch the other group? It has to be, because they have some help. People can't just be alone.

Jack: You know what? We've never connected this before, but this is legit. They have a gateway. The gateway is heftily protected by overpowered creatures. Things that are monstrously overpowered.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And these creatures are protecting it, guarding the corridors that you'll, in theory, get lost. And if you tried to get to that door, and maybe that door connects direct. Now, there's no way to get information from the Shadow Realm directly. We always have to kind of, like, telephone our way there by this person. And it's from this side or came over here. So we don't really know where the other side of this doorway goes to. No, but in theory, if you're. If your idea holds up, it could just be into the literal lab of the Shadow Gods. Yeah, it could literally be right there. There'd be no way to know.

Cristina: There'd be no way to know. But, like, there's no way the Greeks got this advanced just by themselves. It's. There's no way.

Jack: Well, their sciences are completely different. It would have to have been by themselves. It would have literally had to been by themselves, because their sciences don't reflect any of the other three sciences. Now, we Know that the shadow people. Not shadow people, the shadow group. The shadow gods took a lot of data.

Cristina: Yes. We have no idea what they're working on.

Jack: And we have no idea what they're working on. Exactly. We just know that they took a lot of data. So they at least know. And again, a bunch of them are Elysians, a bunch of them are shadow people. Some of them are earthrealmers that came from. Are they all Elysians? We got one Elysian, which is Samael. Interesting. We have.

Cristina: We have Lucifer that wants to share the tech with anyone. So like it wouldn't. Like he'd be cool with sharing it with the Greeks. He wants to share with everyone.

Jack: But the Greek specifically don't want to share it. They're also a private. Specifically a private elite group who feel better than the commoner. Which would actually. Interesting point that you'd mentioned that. Because that directly violates what Lucifer would want to accomplish. Because Lucifer wants to spread it. Which if we think about backwards initially, who we thought they were maybe communicating with was probably Jesus, because Jesus is about sharing. And the shadow gods would also be about sharing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So that seems like a more likely connection. Except we have no idea what's on the other side of this gate in the labyrinth. And it could totally be the shadow people.

Cristina: There's no stories. Grrr.

Jack: Oh, there is. Abraxas is one of the Egyptians. He is not an Elysian. Oh, so they got somebody. Because he is one of the Egyptians. He has access to the data of massive energy collection and he has data to manage energy storage, which was the Egyptians goal to begin with. And looking to see if there's anybody else here who stands out. Not really. Everybody else is either on it. There's no Mayans in this group, which is very interesting. No Mayans in the shadow gods, but we do have Egyptians and Alicians and shadow shadow people and their djinn collection. Of those three, I don't know. I guess it's possible. It's possible. It's be. I mean, that group in general does not like the other three groups. Yeah, and my enemy's enemy is my ally. Would suggest that the Greek and the shadow gods would work together to accomplish a mutual goal. But maybe. So we know that the Greek interact with the Elysians to a very low degree. According to the texts, they go to the top of the mountain where it's very restricted. The Greek have to choose one individual who's allowed to go to the top.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And communicate with whoever the h*** is showing up up there. For trade of. I don't know what. Presumably information. But I don't understand to what degree, because, again, they don't like each other and they don't tell us. And we know that the Greek do, in fact, indulge in all of the adrenochrome variations. So they don't have access to the stones. On top of the fact that we know they don't have any stones. Mm. So that wasn't shared information. They also don't know about the plants. That's not shared information.

Cristina: No, they don't know a lot. I don't know.

Jack: So maybe they know of all the accomplishments, but not how. It's like, do it your way.

Cristina: Oh, I guess that's something. That's still something.

Jack: That's still something. It's like we accomplished this thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But the problem is they are considered enemies. According to the. Not the Greek, according to the Mayans, according to the Egyptians, which both have giant, massive records depicting the interaction between both of these individuals.

Cristina: They were enemies.

Jack: They were enemies. So this is purely diplomatic. This is not a requirement. This is, in any case, the Elysians being most likely strong armed by the other two assisting groups. And so we gotta have peace. We can't just be monsters out here. So we're gonna have a peace treaty and we don't have to share information. They're still our enemy. But we're not gonna be hostile. We just keep it minimum, keep it diplomatic, nothing more.

Cristina: Yes. I think it's for that mountain. They wanted that mountain as their property. But it's in Greece.

Jack: Right, In Greece. Interesting. Mount Athos and Greece.

Cristina: Why fight about it? Make a little trade.

Jack: Okay, so what you're talking about is an embassy. It's neutral territory from another country because it's theirs.

Cristina: It's on their property, but they still don't own it. But they don't own it.

Jack: Weird, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's on their property, but it's owned by a different group. And the rules establish it. They can't even make it to the top on their own terms. They're like.

Cristina: It's very complicated.

Jack: Yeah. What we used to think was magic is just literally technology dampening fields of some sort that just stop things from working that aren't Elysian tech.

Cristina: The flying horses. Flying.

Jack: Well, unicorn.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Wait, what?

Cristina: No, was it the unicorn? There was a horse that they said would just fly up the mountain.

Jack: The unicorn.

Cristina: Wait, was it a unicorn?

Jack: Yeah, the Mary took up to the top.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah, it was a unicorn, which is an Elysian invention.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: By the way, that's another example of the differences in these technologies and these sciences in which the Elysians can just make a horse that seems to defy the laws of physics. Meanwhile, the Greek had to actively kind of work around that because they couldn't break the laws of physics. So they made a chimera that is a horse and some sort of a bird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Allowing the bird, the horseburg, to flap its way up the Pegasus, that horse.

Cristina: Thing did not survive because they didn't have multiple of any animal. So these experiments were kind of failed experiments. They had to be.

Jack: I mean, they might have had multiple of them. There's a bunch of depictions of the Greek gods on Pegasus flying around and crap.

Cristina: I always see it feels like there's only one in the story. Do you think there's multiple?

Jack: I don't know in what story?

Cristina: In Greek stories, there's only one. Usually. Like the pet of one of them or something.

Jack: No, like Zeus will roll on a Pegasus and so will, like, Poseidon roll on a. Everybody has a Pegasus. I think. Yeah. I think it's easy to make. If anything, it's just not the same as a unicorn. No, this straight up violence. But now, knowing this, we do know that Hermes was in direct connection with Jehovah, which means the Elysians, which explains absolute violation of the laws of physics.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, that does make it make sense. Yeah.

Jack: But that's another thing.

Cristina: How you.

Jack: Why do you need both Hermes and the stones?

Cristina: Well, Hermes needed the stuff.

Jack: I don't know. I guess he does.

Cristina: They do need it. But he made them.

Jack: Yes. He can make the stones in any case. Yeah. He must be teaching them what his grandfather knew, which means Hermes. It's weird because it's also like Hermes interacted with a Yahweh, which we could find nothing on. Found nothing on Yahweh. That guy is secret. He must be so important in some way because he's about as secretive as Hermes. We know so little. He might. There might have been a necromancer in the bloodline, and that's why he's so unheard of, because Hermes was hard to find. We only found shreds by looking for like a year.

Cristina: But we know more about him. We definitely know more about him.

Jack: Yeah, we don't know crap about Yahweh.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Maybe focusing on Yahweh and really granularly picking it apart, we would come across like, oh, yeah, he turns out to have been a necromancer. Even if Jehovah isn't He at least has some of the data. But I guess I would violate the rules of being a necromancer if you just pass it on. Or it wouldn't even matter. If you taught somebody, they wouldn't grasp it. That's the point. Like, you could literally hand it to somebody in its entirety and they still.

Cristina: Be like, what the h***? Gave it out to everyone. We have copies of his work now.

Jack: Yeah, and 100. It was for everyone.

Cristina: No one can decipher it, though.

Jack: You require the teacher.

Cristina: Yeah, that's part of it.

Jack: That is part of it. You gotta seek it, but that's not enough. You gotta seek it, find it, understand it.

Cristina: Yeah, it's like you can read it and it makes sense, but it doesn't make sense the way he understood. He. Yeah.

Jack: And he could just violate the universe in front of you and you would still be like, I don't know how.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's a teach you. Hands on step by inch by inch, centimeter by centimeter.

Cristina: What? I don't know. He's some type of alien. I don't know how he figured it out. If it wasn't through something else, you would think was. He's a C person though, right?

Jack: We'd have unclear. Interesting enough, it looks like he might have been one of the Greek.

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: But even they don't have access to this. So what? Super mega trader. But also, he existed far before even the Greek civilization.

Cristina: But you think he's some type of human?

Jack: I think that's one of the rules. You have to be.

Cristina: Yes, that is one of the rules. But, like, huh? He was one of the original humans.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Huh? No. But didn't they need the stones to make the humans? Unless it wasn't a good stone.

Jack: It wasn't a good stone. Right, because he perfected it with the hermetic seal.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: He perfected it. Hermes perfected the stone, thus being credited with being the creator of the full functioning, overpowered, destroy the laws of physics stone. Now, he already knew how to do it as a necromancer. But with the stone, you could hand somebody who doesn't understand the ability. That's the point of the stone. You hand somebody who doesn't grasp it, somebody who didn't graduate your class, they can still violate with the stone.

Cristina: Okay, that's the point.

Jack: You can either learn it. That's the hard road.

Cristina: Yes. Or you can use the stone. But then why does Jesus need the stones when he has it already? He's got the abilities. He is a Necromancer.

Jack: Yeah, because that was the whole point of him dying. I guess in the case of Jesus, it wasn't that he needs the stones, is that he needed them not to have it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's not about him using it, it's about them not using it.

Cristina: So he's not trying to make anymore, he's just gathering what's he's trying out there stop.

Jack: He's actually doing Jesus stuff. Okay, let's stop death, let's stop evil. Which is literally what he preached. Dude, Jesus on paper kind of turns out to be kind of what? It's hard to say he wasn't who he claims to be and who people say he is. Maybe not the son of God in the way people think. I understand that this guy was just a person of high statue and we literally found out that the word God just translate to person of importance. So interesting that he was just the son of somebody really, really, really important that a lot of civilizations thought was. He was the president of the world, essentially. And that's his son. Yes, something like that. But everything surrounding Jesus and all his aliases and his entire path and the people who saw him and what they talk about him that they preach for infinities, and entire religions and cults that formed around him all said the same thing, we must stop the violence. And we, you know, love each other. And everybody talked about the same thing. And then he. He dies. He could have sent anybody to do this. He dies, goes to the other side, goes find it himself, and then comes back.

Cristina: I guess there's something sketchy about him, but at the same time, he's never done anything wrong. Like, even when he was going to. Through China to get to Japan, he just was giving people inventions. Like, yeah, there's nothing weird.

Jack: Like there's something really absurdly sketchy about him for sure, but.

Cristina: But he's like Roger from Rogers. Mr. Rogers.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, it's weird. Like he seems really out of place and heftily sketchy, but there's like no reason for us to think he is.

Cristina: Because no one who's met him has anything bad to say.

Jack: Nothing, not a word. But there's still something wrong about him.

Cristina: I don't know. The weird thing I think is the whole Bible thing, because it was the Alicians that are behind it to make Jesus look good, even though they're scared of him. Like, it's. It's very conflicting in that way. Like, why. Why are you protecting him? But you're afraid of him. Is he good? Are you scared of him. Do you want him to look good so that they won't. He won't come after you because you're hiding from them?

Jack: No, no, no, no, no. The whole Knights Templar fix the narrative and alter how it works has a lot to do with. We cannot have people think we're the bad guy.

Cristina: Well, they're not in it at all.

Jack: Who?

Cristina: The sea people.

Jack: Yeah. So if we make Jesus absurdly good and they just obey him, but we twist his neck because he already had everybody's. He had everybody in the palm of his hand. Easy.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So we got to just. They're not gonna not listen to him.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We just gotta change what it is he's saying. You get my point? They can't control people following him. That's already a done deal. We just gotta play the long game because we can. And humans don't live nearly as long as we do and change the narrative so that. Yeah, Jesus, sure, whatever. The big bad. Awesome. Yeah. The way we decide.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: As opposed to. Well, he's just telling them we're the bad guys. Now we just alter that and say we don't even exist.

Cristina: Yeah. He's not gonna change it because he doesn't care. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: He doesn't care. He's not looking for them.

Jack: No, man. That's the weird part. There is some sketchy crap like that. It's like you're preaching all this s*** and ultimately you still let the Elysians kind of do whatever the f*** they want to some degree.

Cristina: Yeah. They're so frightened by him, but they won't. They're not trying to stop him and he's not trying to bother them as far as we can tell. Like, we originally thought that was happening, but, like, maybe not.

Jack: Maybe not. It's like he got the stones and then what? Yeah, the end.

Cristina: Like, maybe they are afraid of him, but like, more like a lion or something. Like, it's not a fear that he's evil or anything. It's just a fear that he's stronger. He's like, if we by accidentally did something to him, he would do something to us for sure.

Jack: Yes. And the same thing comes to mind with Mab. Like, what's her problem with Jesus?

Cristina: What's her problem? What does she do or not Jesus.

Jack: But she's scared of something. She's trying to fix something. She's trying to hide from something. She's trying to prevent something. And again, we know that the Alicians made Jesus and she preemptively 200 years prior, maybe seeing the data sends elves as a firewall everywhere.

Cristina: But that didn't stop anything.

Jack: That didn't stop anything. It was too late.

Cristina: Okay, I don't know. Because it didn't do anything.

Jack: Yes, I know, duh. But the idea was for it to. The idea was for it to stop things. It's actually send them there to do nothing. She literally, according to what it says, has sent the elves there to stop the progress. It didn't work. But that was the plan.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So she was trying to stop it.

Cristina: Maybe she was trying to stop something else.

Jack: Then she's trying to stop more Jesus happening. Well, she was trying to stop Jesus happening to begin with because it was immediately before that.

Cristina: How much before? You said 200 years.

Jack: 200 years ahead.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: To stop Jesus. Or presumably, I don't know what the h*** it was for, but 200 years ahead. So as the data starts rolling, as the science starts rolling.

Cristina: I don't know. That's weird because it doesn't seem like they're doing anything or they are doing what they're supposed to be doing, which isn't making sense to us.

Jack: They failed, which is what we also found out. The point was for them to stop them, and it did not work. But the point was for them to stop them. That was the point. That was what was written.

Cristina: Who said they fell though?

Jack: The fact that Jesus came to exist.

Cristina: Kind of tells us that was their actual goal, though. It was exactly their goal.

Jack: Their. The existence of the elves was, according to the text, to stop the advancement of civilizations, while the creation of the Naga was to help civilizations advance.

Cristina: That's so weird.

Jack: Well, no, because the. It wasn't like they. She made them both at the same time. The Naga that helped the elians showed up 12,000 years ahead, so clearly she wasn't expecting 12,000 years later for the advancements to get so out of hand that something like Jesus would happen. Thus throw the firewall in there 12,000 years later. It wasn't like this happened this minute and five minutes later I threw that in there. And thus I both gave you the thing to advance you and the thing to stop you.

Cristina: Were they were there, though, to kill off the Nagas. Wasn't there a story like that or.

Jack: No, no, the Nagas and the elves don't interact.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, the elves are just there to prevent civilizations from going beyond a certain point, hence are calling them the firewall. If this turns out to be some sort of sim, it's preventative. Don't go beyond this line, the Naga are an assistant program, the AI that's helping whatever place they land.

Cristina: Okay. And they're still around trying to stop something that's already. Who?

Jack: The elves?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Maybe. I haven't heard about any elves lately.

Cristina: It's very strange. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, for sure. But we don't know what the point of Jesus was. We don't know whether he was a good guy or bad guy. But we know Mab was definitely worried about something. Mab was definitely trying to stop the Aletians from getting farther. The existence of the elves was to stop civilizations from getting farther. And they were hit by one. But it didn't work. Presumably because Jesus happened. Unless that wasn't what they were trying to stop.

Cristina: Yes. And what were they trying to stop? I don't know.

Jack: And then we end up with weird things like, you know, fairy forts and crap like this in places that aren't the Isle of Man. Which suggest giant fairy death collections, you know, genocides of fairies. So we know that maybe some of these firewalls have failed.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There are grave sites.

Cristina: That seems like the Shadow realm has more to do with the deaths of fairies than to do us.

Jack: Well, no, because the forest would have happened. That happens when you kill them in the Shadow realm. That's how we got the Forest of Shadows.

Cristina: Okay, but you're saying the fairy forts.

Jack: Are fairies dying on this side?

Cristina: Okay, so there's someone here.

Jack: And we literally know of the Elysians hiring people like St. Patrick to dispose of things like the Naga that aren't theirs.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Okay, because of, you know, he got rid of the snakes. We know exactly what you're talking about, homie. Which means there was. We know that there are city of cities that have Nephilim living there with Naga living there with human. With collection. Collections of different things.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Was Ireland dominated by Naga? Was it a Naga settlement? And then you send a necromancer to dispatch bows of it, genocide style. But you don't just kill them. You get rid of them. But what are you gonna do? You're just gonna really waste that life? Was there a stone made there?

Cristina: Possibly. I mean, he is a necromancer.

Jack: Op. Necromancer you get easily.

Cristina: Yeah, I feel like. Yeah, that makes sense. The death wasn't on for nothing. He got something from it.

Jack: He got. It was a perfect exchange.

Cristina: I think so. And then he died on that mountain. And then he came back down.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: Maybe that's what happened. I don't know.

Jack: Is that what Happened?

Cristina: No, I just know he was on the mountain for a long time speaking to God.

Jack: All these guys do that, right?

Cristina: Yes, but here's another thing where he.

Jack: Goes to the mountain to speak to an Elysian. Come on, bro. This story checks out. Yeah, weird.

Cristina: Well, he makes that weird island. I don't know. But then that island seems like that island. Oh, he had. He made some. A facility on island, though.

Jack: No, that was Mananan, his direct rival. He was one of the Elysians who just did not like St. Patrick.

Cristina: Didn't St. Patrick's though, have some area of worship? Some building we saw pictures of on Ireland?

Jack: Yeah, it was on Ireland. The island that the was the Isle of Man and some other crap was for the Elysians that were sent there to run experiments, which Mananan was the leader of.

Cristina: Okay, so St. Patrick's gonna have some weird building.

Jack: Not that I know of.

Cristina: Thing, man, I just. I remember something, but maybe it wasn't him. I don't know.

Jack: No, as far as I know. Let me see what we can find here.

Cristina: Because I thought he ended up, I don't know, doing some kind of establishment on a island for people who worshiped him or something.

Jack: No, that's. It was a research facility in an invisible island. Yeah, that was Manana.

Cristina: Oh, that's Monanan. Okay.

Jack: Yeah, that was just a place for them to go live and be away from people seeing them.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. And which guy is Mananan Maranan is the Elysian that was on the island as well.

Jack: Yeah, he was the one who kept having beef with St. Patrick.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But St. Patrick was sent there overriding an elation, which goes to show how op that guy is.

Cristina: Yes, but that's because of how op necromancers are.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we're still believing that St. Patrick is one of the whacker necromancers because we have examples of things like St. Nicholas overpowered individual. And Hermes, which. Whoa. We have four different possible necromancers. Hermes, Nicholas, Patrick, and Christ.

Cristina: Was Marilyn that one.

Jack: Who?

Cristina: Marilyn Merlin.

Jack: That's five. Oh, you're right. Oh, we got a couple of necromancers going on. Not a lot.

Cristina: No.

Jack: But five is a nice amount.

Cristina: Very spread out.

Jack: And one of them is way overpowered, which is Hermes. It seems like nobody is touching that guy's level of opinion.

Cristina: Maybe Jesus. You don't think?

Jack: Maybe Jesus. But Jesus also required a couple of things, Right. He still needed the gate to get back. It seems like Hermes even violates that necessity.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: I picture Hermes Being so overpowered, based on the difference between the depictions of these individuals. You could see him stand in front of you and him be like, watch. And he just phase out of the front of you. He's just not there suddenly. And then he's like, look behind you. And you do. And he's like, look what I got from the shadow realm in this one moment.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think that level of overpowered is what we're dealing with here.

Cristina: That's pretty ridiculous, but okay. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And then Jesus maybe is more like Santa. Or do you think he's above him?

Jack: I would argue that the tier list goes as follows. Jesus is. It's Hermes at the very top, then S class, not Jesus. Yes, Hermes, then Jesus, then Santa, then I guess either Merlin or Patrick.

Cristina: It has to be Patrick. Only because we know more stories about him doing crap. He's doing a lot of crap.

Jack: Fair, Fair. But Merlin had some op scenarios too, especially dealing with fairies.

Cristina: Very small compared.

Jack: Yeah, I mean, I guess so did. I mean, really? Yeah. He was dealing with a single fairy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Who was kind of trolling him a lot.

Cristina: And then ended up killing him.

Jack: And then ended up killing him using his own method. He tricked the guy to kill him the way he was trying to trick. So he was like the Wagner necromancer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In any case, it was more like Alexander the Great who didn't graduate the school. He was a flunky.

Cristina: So maybe Merlin's was flunky.

Jack: Maybe he's not a necromancer. But he. No, he still had some kind of overpowered things. He could alter a time.

Cristina: Come on.

Jack: Sop. He was definitely a necromancer. He just didn't get it the way these other guys do. And I guess there's degrees of getting it.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, I would think there's.

Jack: So the range is Merlin on one end, barely a necromancer, but, like, way more overpowered than an average human to the point that humans could not touch this guy in a million years. And then Hermes, where necromancers couldn't touch the sky in a million years. And if we put St. Patrick in the middle and say he can easily dispose of an entire island's worth of fairies, then how overpowered is Hermes at the top? And how scary is then Jesus, who's right behind them?

Cristina: I don't know, because we don't see Jesus doing much. No, it's like scary actions.

Jack: No. But it seems like he can violate physics quite heftily, but not so much that he can come back from the Shadow realm without a gate, even after dying. And he knew this?

Cristina: Yes, he did know that.

Jack: He knew he couldn't just come back.

Cristina: Because there's some things he just can't understand from. From the teachings.

Jack: Yeah, I guess.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess.

Jack: And so the guy who understands it, because it's the guy making up how he's discovering it. He's discovering every part. And then he's trying to teach the people, but it's too hard would be Hermes. And Hermes is somehow immortal. And the line that never leaves me is him stating that you cannot find me amongst the people. You can only find me amongst the information. And that's weird, man, because that means at some point he just gets more abstract and more abstract and like he's more God than God at that point, right?

Cristina: I guess because he's in the data that makes us human or whatever. Like in the matrix. He is part of it. Like he knows.

Jack: Yeah, he can. He's watching us try to figure it out right now.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And he's conscious. He's consciously watching us. But he doesn't even have to be physical to do it. We know Jesus was literally born with the ability to also just see what we're doing, even if he doesn't understand it.

Cristina: Doesn't understand it. What do you mean?

Jack: What? Where he. He might hear us and see us and we might discover something he didn't put together.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Well, Hermes, on the other hand, is just watching to see if we figure it out, because he would have already known.

Cristina: He's way more. He is God, isn't he? Is he not?

Jack: He would be the highest tier of anything as far as we know. Okay, so then the question would be where the elves sent her to stop Hermes. Because Hermes is giving information to the Elysians and that's too overpowered. F*** the stones. That's not even an issue. Hermes is.

Cristina: Hermes is. I don't know. Where does he fit into the timeline? There's so much Hermes seems to pop.

Jack: Up literally as written down. According to the mentions of Aristotle, he can be dated back. Now, Aristotle wasn't at this time, but Aristotle claiming what he knows of Hermes. That Hermes could be dated back to about 12,000 years. Now this is a direct mention. While the exact knowledge details that are attributed to Hermes have being discovered them could be traced to about 55,000 years back around the time presumably Yahweh was around.

Cristina: How much?

Jack: 55,000 years back. So even if Aristotle believed the first recorded actual interaction is from some note he saw, that doesn't even exist that he was just talking about explaining that this was about 12,000 years back. That's just the first recording that survived. The data was already put together by that time, which we know for a fact through the notes of the Knights Templar claiming things from 12,000 years ago and the experiments that were initially beginning at that point that sent Jehovah into the shadow realm in order to get the fruit to begin with. So 12,000 years back, the knowledge was all together. That's just when we happened to see the notes together. But it was all already put together. Somebody put it together.

Cristina: So he had to be before then.

Jack: Yes, presumably by the time of Yahweh, which is about 55,000 years BC.

Cristina: And the fairies pop up when again, the elves.

Jack: Yes, because fairies have been around elves. Elves specifically. About 200 BC.

Cristina: That's still kind of a giant. That's a gap, isn't it?

Jack: Yeah, but I don't think there was an issue yet. Until another necromancer starts to show up.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: St. Patrick happens after Jesus. Nicholas happens after Jesus. Merlin happens after Jesus. The order really starts at Hermes and then Jesus. So there's a necromancer, presumably for hundreds of thousands of years. Fine. Oh, my God, they're about to make another one. For the first time in all of history, you're about to make another one. He figured out how to teach it or how to do it or something. And he told these monsters they're about to make another one. Then Jesus is about to happen. Send some. I don't know. You know, theorizing. I don't know.

Cristina: It makes sense. It's the closest thing we got to something. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. It's just so convoluted.

Cristina: It's a mess of a history because it's not really written anywhere.

Jack: A bunch of these things are written.

Cristina: But not like owl like, oh, no, obviously.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. We have to find shreds and whatever. Nothing is like, this happened and then that happened.

Cristina: We can just get a history book with this information.

Jack: Yeah, I know. That's what sucks, right? It's just like, oh, we got to go to this book of that guy who mentioned knowing this dude at that point who knew about the thing over there. And then he said this one line. Yeah, it's just cross referencing and just picking out the things that literally line up when you cross reference.

Cristina: That's the best we can do.

Jack: That's the best we can do. Which leaves us with nothing but a crazy amount of assumptions and weird data. Oftentimes zeta we don't even understand.

Cristina: Yeah, there's a lot of data.

Jack: There's a lot of data. So, yeah, I don't know. It's very complicated. And somehow that ties into the labyrinth, which is a doorway, and the Winchester house, which is doorway.

Cristina: There's doorways everywhere. Yes. It's just weird that the Greeks have a doorway. Yes. You don't think that's weird?

Jack: Not when everybody else has a doorway.

Cristina: I guess they know, or we know that they know for sure about the other side.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: All of these groups know because of the shadow realm. Creatures, though. They know.

Jack: Not necessarily. I'm sure that different. Again, you're very wrong. Because of the judge.

Cristina: The judge? Oh, who stumbled upon it. Yeah, I think they could have stumbled upon it.

Jack: Clearly, a random individual just got there. Presumably he died somehow and didn't realize it. Yeah, but he still got there. And he happened to be under the right conditions that he could just get back.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So people can just find it. Yeah, Assuming the conditions are right. Or where the judge stumbled through a necromancer portal or something. Something broke the laws of how things should work, and he strolled through the gap.

Cristina: I don't know. He must have died. That is a good idea, because, like, humans can't walk into there.

Jack: Not physically, no. So not physically. It's not a physical location.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You're only physical on this side. How do you get over there without consuming adrenochrome or something? Unless he did.

Cristina: Oh, I guess that's the case. That could have been.

Jack: Just had no idea.

Cristina: Not part of the story. Yeah.

Jack: Casually. What he had to do. Strolled in. Well, but you didn't really stroll in. He could have just been walking. A tree fell on him, and it was instant. No suffering, no nothing. He has an idea what happened. He's just there one minute and over there the next. But he just so happened to be around the right spot that there is.

Cristina: A gate to come back.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And to anybody on this side, you walk through a gate and you haven't had adrenochrome. It's just. It's just a weird rectangular shape you can walk through. But to him it wasn't. But then also his sister could go in eventually. Because he showed his sister how to get there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He took Inano.

Cristina: That's strange.

Jack: So presumably the judge in his family had some sort of ritualized thing happening. No, but there's a. There's a problem there, logically speaking. How do the h*** did he. I don't know. I don't know. How did they come back? I know the gate is how they got back, but she wasn't there. She. He came back through and then showed her. He told her about it.

Cristina: I don't know. And there's something. That story doesn't make sense to anything.

Jack: There's. There's some broken logic happening there that we don't know, but let's try to reason it out, because, okay, this guy goes into the Shadow Realm. Let's assume he did die suddenly, and he shows up in the Shadow Realm. Maybe on the trip he was just walking one day, died suddenly, showed up in the Shadow Realm, popped up super quickly elsewhere where there was a gate. He just happened to travel the right route to end up at a gate he didn't notice. He's like, whoa, this is weird. Not home. He went to work.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: So he goes back through, comes back in and exits back at home in a different port. He found both gates. Lucky you. Yeah, two different gates, in and out. So after work, he comes back, he frequents the path. He memorizes the path, and then he gets to his sister, who is not. It's not that she's over here on Earth Realm. Assuming this family just has a ritualization of drinking blood or something, and her body is drowning with adrenochrome regularly. And they have no idea what adrenochrome is. They've never heard about it. They're just doing what people do.

Cristina: I don't know. Maybe because, like, it's very easy for them to, like, live there. I mean, she lives there. She swaps on someone there, like, right?

Jack: Except she's alive. How did she swap? How does she go into the Shadow Realm? Is what I was trying to get to.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Drink all the adrenochrome you want. How do you walk? Even Jesus had to die.

Cristina: Yes, that's true. I don't know. Okay, continue what you're thinking.

Jack: Right, so maybe they weren't born on that side. Maybe they weren't born on Earth Realm. Maybe these were never humans.

Cristina: I just thought they were.

Jack: Maybe they were born in the Shadow Realm, and so these gates are just easy to walk through.

Cristina: Okay, they just lived in human lives and then they swapped. I mean, they called themselves human lives because they didn't know.

Jack: They didn't know. And through some manner, shape or form, they were physical on this side. And it wasn't through adrenochrome somehow. These are jinn, who had no idea they were jinn. And then they cross easily. He literally stumbled upon it. Get the f*** out of here. That violates everything.

Cristina: Maybe those stories of the jinn swapping out babies with their owns are true and this is what happened. Like they had normal parents. Maybe.

Jack: Fascinating.

Cristina: Like, what if this is an example of one of those stories of like, Yeah, a baby swap and no one noticed, or they did notice something different about the baby, but they couldn't put.

Jack: Their finger on it. Yeah, maybe this was a perfect. Maybe you only swap babies that could trick a human.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which means that there were people capable. No. Oh, my God. It's so complicated, because then you got to think about that. Inanna trade places with Ixchel, and Ixshel is one of the Egyptians, particularly with Idzamna, that's his wife. And so these two individuals come together and then work with the Elysians. And the Elysians are the ones who discover the method of turning somebody into physical from the shadow realm. So it could not have happened before then.

Cristina: Couldn't have. What could happen?

Jack: Somebody be turned physical from the shadow realm because the experiment was Lucifer and it is. Is mild.

Cristina: Yeah. And you're saying that happened way later, after this happened. This didn't happen after that.

Jack: Well, this happened. Well, actually, we don't. Actually, I have no idea, to be honest. If this happened because we know it did happen.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But I don't know what timeline. So in theory, it could have happened long before they even started working with the Mayans. It could have happened long before then.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then these individuals are experimented on in the shadow realm. So even the falling apart of the. No, it doesn't. Yeah, well, yeah, there is. There are no Mayans in the shadow group. There are no Mayans amongst the Shadow Gods research team. There are no Mayans.

Cristina: What's your point?

Jack: Well, the Judge is a Mayan.

Cristina: The Judge is a Mayan. Crap. I don't remember where the Judge came from.

Jack: And so is Inanna.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: And Inanna swaps place with Ixcho. Ixo then marries Izama for Maya.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: This could have. The Mayans could have happened way later.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And also, we don't even need the Egyptians yet. All we need are shadow people and the Elysians in order to get the experiment that led to Lucifer having a physical form. And we have no timeline for this. We just know it happened. We don't know in what order it happened. And based on the logic, we don't even need Egyptians or the Mayans.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So this could have happened many years. Could have happened with the entire group already there, and then later, even Egyptians Going in without there ever being a. A Mayan in the group. That never happens. They're running experiments and figuring out how to imitate what happened with Lucifer, who did it. And so did Ismail. They went to the Shadow Realm, where Jinn replace babies with.

Cristina: Yes, I think that makes sense.

Jack: That makes perfect sense. Yes, that makes perfect sense. The experiment that happened over here with Ismail and Lucifer. Then they get outcast and they go into the Shadow Realm to form their own group. That research still exists. They were the literal source, the literal subjects of it. And then being the literal sub, they have all the data. They can recreate it. They could keep that experiment going a bunch of times and then slowly replace people on this side with Jinn.

Cristina: I don't know what's that for, though.

Jack: But they're physical Djinn.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're not human.

Cristina: No.

Jack: People who can just enter the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Maybe we need to look at those stories again. Look at the stories about.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: What people think is happening when they're swapping these babies.

Jack: Well, I can tell you one really interesting thing. The original point of Jesus was somebody who can cross the Gates easily. Right. Go in and out. And even Jesus had to die. The golem could phase in and out.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He couldn't enter Elfame, but he could enter the Shadow Realm effortlessly, meaning a lot of different groups. Maybe all of these groups still wanted a way to traverse easily. And the only people who figured it out were the Shadow Gods.

Cristina: Oh, that makes sense.

Jack: They figured it out in the Shadow Realm. And then they invented the method of swapping babies, which then allows people on this side to raise them. Eventually they might stumble into the Shadow Realm where they can get the proper education. And she literally swapped places with another Shadow creature, but one that wasn't physical.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: When they had to become physical over here in her adult life, while this one was born thinking she's human and could literally just walk through the gate with her brother, who literally just walked through the gate and entered the Shadow Realm, which for other people, it was probably just a random structure. Yeah, the Shadow people figured it out. Man. Everybody figured something out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If they all work together, would be scary.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Unstoppable.

Cristina: But they have to be working together in some type of way, I think.

Jack: Like, do you think the Elysians are working with the Shadow People that they directly discarded? Not the Shadow People, but the Shadow Gods that they discarded. The thieves, the liars, the people who were using the tech and stealing the tech and doing whatever the h*** they wanted with the tech.

Cristina: I don't know, over time things change.

Jack: I think. No, I think these are just ways that I think it eventually leads to warfare. And these are methods do it.

Cristina: Okay. Think there's gonna be a war.

Jack: Not literally a war, but it's a tactical. We have to get a one up. It's deterrent. It's all deterrence for war. Oh, yeah. The Alicians can do this, that and the other. Yeah, well, we got this, that and this to stop them from f****** with us. Okay, you get my point. It's not we're going to war as much as it is. We need to be able to be sure they can't just come and f*** us.

Cristina: Everyone fears everyone in that type of.

Jack: Way because everybody has different weapons, everybody has different abilities.

Cristina: None of the fights are similar actually fighting anyone. There's. Because it's not about preparing.

Jack: It's not about fighting each other. It's not about fighting each other. It's not really about fighting each other.

Cristina: No.

Jack: They just know that these people are effortlessly and ruthlessly willing to run experiments that would kill people. Don't run the experiments on us. That's all it is.

Cristina: It's about defending themselves.

Jack: Yes, they know they're factually gonna kill however many people. Don't let those people be us.

Cristina: Weird, man. Those are. They have to be. They have to be Shadow Realm people. They just didn't know it.

Jack: They didn't know it. And the science must have already existed in order to do it. Then in the Shadow Realm, they go ahead. But they needed models. That's at least a part of it. They needed a model, which is why they steal the baby in the first place. Oh, stealing the baby isn't even about the swap. No, you need the template. You're gonna turn the Shadow person into.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So they just kidnap babies, kept the babies, probably. And use those same babies for others.

Cristina: Yeah, probably for adrenochrome too, because they still use adrenochrome.

Jack: They don't need it in the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, yeah, never mind. I wonder what they're doing with these babies then.

Jack: No, actually, maybe you're right. Because at the end of the day, if you look at things like how the h*** did Abraxas enter the Shadow Realm? Abraxas had to die. And Abraxas needed to consume adrenochrome. So did Ismael, because he was also an Elysian. These guys needed sustained sources to not lose. Although the Shadow Gods that entered, like Lucifer and Lilith, they were born on the other side. They never needed adrenochrome. Abraxas, Azazel, Ismail. They did in fact need to not go crazy on the other side. You take the babies, you make the template for the child you stole, send out a jinn baby that replaces the spot. And now you would have a child who you can consume the blood of. So you don't go feral on this side, because you're not actually from this side.

Cristina: Yes. Horrible solution. Yeah.

Jack: So when a baby is replaced, it has nothing. It has less to do with the replacement than it has to do with the shadow gods trying to stay consistent.

Cristina: Yeah, that's. That's so disturbing. But.

Jack: And because they were human, it doesn't work. You. And not. And not that it doesn't work, but you. If you don't have it, being on the other side doesn't work. You're useless to them. They must continue. There must be a sustained source of blood. Of blood. Keep taking babies.

Cristina: Yeah, well, so they're still doing that. Probably.

Jack: It's weird because in theory, the template has to be done on this side. You can't cross the baby. It's a human baby. How are you gonna take it?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the baby gets snatched. There must be labs from the shadow gods over here in Earthrealm.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then gates that maybe exist in labyrinths so they can come in.

Cristina: Whoa, where have they been?

Jack: And houses like the Winchester house.

Cristina: Yes. You think they're in Clinton Road? Who's there?

Jack: It could totally be too. It could totally be too. All these maze like gates could be in service of the shadow gods working alongside, adjacent to them, with the big one having been the Greek one. But there are others that have nothing to do with them. And all the discussions we know about these churches and the blood rituals and the Viking are all the same voices from the other side telling us what to do.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Even creating the f****** golem was the same. They kidnapped a bunch of children, drank the blood, heard voices and told them how to make the golem. Which we assumed was the shadow gods.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that would fit perfectly right here in the middle of it with the kids, with the blood, with the Elysians that need that to be sustained with the. Finally, an explanation as to why these people would be swapping babies in the first place. Because that made no sense ever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And now it does. Because we know that there's experiments that allow them to turn Jin into a physical earth realm being. And maybe some people are just growing up like that, thinking they're human. And you just troll in. They figured out what nobody else Could. It required a lot of murder and kidnapping.

Cristina: But I guess that's nothing to them. I don't know.

Jack: There's nothing to them. You already outcasted us and you guys are killing way more. Yeah, yeah, we're doing it. Showing you it could be one for one, not millions for one.

Cristina: That is. That's pretty scary though.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: But it makes sense, especially in clints and world, that we don't know what's going on. But people are being. They're missing.

Jack: People missing.

Cristina: Literally many people are missing. There's obviously some type of labyrinth in there. Underground, above ground as well.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes. Oh man. I knew this would go somewhere that would be useful.

Cristina: It's disturbing, but it's all right there.

Jack: And we know, we literally know that the thin places along the literal Clinton road allows people to see weird things. Kids and other crap that just aren't even there. People who seem ethereal and not real and then suddenly they're not child around people. That is a hot spot for a reason, isn't it? Maybe that is a lab where they make people who are only ever seen coming out. But because there is a gate, you can't see anything when you go in. You're just human. They can come in and out. It always looks empty.

Cristina: That's always looks empty. But you always see people coming out.

Jack: You always see people coming out. They can come out because they're jinn.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Who look human, who are physical.

Cristina: They just come out looking like these white robed people. Those aren't.

Jack: No, those. Those people just wander outside. The people that they see come out are just look like rednecks.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Well, those are jinn though.

Jack: Those are the jinn. Those are jinn made physical that could just exit and you could go in there and not find a f****** thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: At night fear is heightened and people are more scared. And it's already a spooky spoken of place. So you start seeing things, but the fear is amplified and so the veil is thinned. But the veil thinning has nothing to do with the gate you cross through which the gate so happens to be on the nameless road that comes out of Paradise Road into the town of Paradise. There's a literal gate there somewhere and they can come out. But nobody who's not a djinn can go in.

Cristina: No, you just get lost.

Jack: And that's why that place looks rustic and ignored. Because it is on our side. There's nothing there. Yeah, there's nobody there. Nobody lives here on our side.

Cristina: Yeah, over there. They're doing things.

Jack: That's exactly what the f*** is happening, isn't it? That explains the people come out, but nobody ever being seen inside. When we walk through a gate, there's a million Shinto gates in Japan.

Cristina: You can walk through them all you want.

Jack: It goes nowhere. But what are the stories about those Shinto gates? Oh, the spirits come through them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Well, that fits every suit we're talking about. Holy.

Cristina: Yeah, that's. That's it. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, I guess that's really it. I guess that's really a town of Jin. And that's. Yeah. On the other side. And just like the explanation of the shadow realm. It's an estimation of Earth realm, but jumbled up and weird and messy. And when the veil is thinnest, they come through. No, they can just come through the gate. When the veil is thinnest, it's. You start seeing the shadow realm side. So the streets start to change and whatever. And it's because you're seeing kind of the overlap of both of these two places.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It only happens at night.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And there's never a single light because they're all in the shadow realm side.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They don't need light. It's different over there. Whatever the case might be. They can see or whatever.

Cristina: Yes. If they have lights, it's still over there. Anyway.

Jack: Interesting. Dude, that explains so hard how they're coming out and nobody's ever seen going in because they just. If you were to watch them, they would just disappear in front of you. You can only see people leaving and go in and be like, what the f***? There's nobody in here. He was just hanging out alone.

Cristina: That's very strange. Yeah. Someone's always leaving the town that's empty.

Jack: Yes. You can only see people leaving. And you could only ever see them leaving from the outside of the road.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Into Paradise Road. That's it. You see them coming into Paradise Road. That's it. You never see the nameless road be traveled. You never see anybody in the town of Paradise. Never.

Cristina: Never.

Jack: But you see people in white robes roaming around. Maybe people who know this fact. And they're just friends of the guys who come in and out. These are just people living life. You can go to the store.

Cristina: They're probably still in part of a culture.

Jack: Like these gods who were. Yeah, interesting.

Cristina: Probably going on.

Jack: Fascinating. Wow. We really got to something that made perfect sense according to all the laws.

Cristina: We figured out a few things, I think.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The babies too.

Cristina: Babies. Always thinking about those babies. It didn't make sense. It never made sense.

Jack: Never made sense. Never made sense.

Cristina: But now it kind of makes sense.

Jack: It does. Man, that's crazy. That's blowing my mind. Because it makes so much f****** sense that it just explains paradise so well.

Cristina: There's just so much not right with that place.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: It's too.

Jack: Too strange.

Cristina: Too abandoned. Too weird.

Jack: And now we got people coming out with an explanation as to how. Because the Judge just strolled in.

Cristina: Yeah. How did he do it?

Jack: And then we have. I don't know why we didn't connect the docs before, because we saw. We know of the experiment. We know of the experiment that made a Jin. A physical being.

Cristina: But the whole time, not knowing the timelines of these events, it's really. Yes.

Jack: Makes it hard. So if we had a line drawn through it that explained that, we could have put this together sooner.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It was like, oh, obviously, over here, they did the experiment, and then this many years later, the Judge walks in.

Cristina: We have no idea. So it just seemed like an odd story, but now it makes sense.

Jack: Yeah, they seemed totally unrelated, but obviously these guys first went over there, and then we never thought about the whole. Well, Abraxas just went into the shadow realm. Get the f*** out of here. No, he didn't.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Didn't just walk into the shadow realm, bro. That's not how that works. We know that's not how that works. And we didn't even question it.

Cristina: We probably questioned it, but just never got any answer.

Jack: Yeah, there was no answer to it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And now there is the babies that are f****** kidnapped.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They're a template. And they are fuel to sustain a physical form that had to die and go to the other side and must continue to consume in order to not go feral.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And if they did eventually go feral, they were executed on that side or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it must be consistent. And that explains children going missing today. And that explains places like Paradise.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Where maybe there were humans. Maybe that's really what's happening with the Druids. They're just waiting to be the one. Oh, I hope I'm the one chosen.

Cristina: To do what?

Jack: To be able to enter. Which means you have to die, but you have to be also you. There's. There's Pete, there's humans, former humans in paradise that are continuously fueled, hence the people go missing. That's what's happening.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because otherwise, if it was just Djinn and you got the baby done, what do you need to keep taking people for? These people can just walk in and out they were born on the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You're kidnapping people because you need the source for something else. We thought it was a stone, but that doesn't explain the town. No, the stones don't explain the town. Especially if you don't have a necromancer. How the h*** you gonna make a stone? It makes perfect sense if you're not. And you just. You. Cuz blood is easy to come by.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Wolves randomly stumbled upon it by f****** accident. Easy. You're already scared. You're already in this place. You get kidnapped, you go somewhere you don't f****** know. Probably the bottom of the f****** castle. Where there could be a harvesting station and a lab to turn the gin.

Cristina: Yeah. It could be all right there.

Jack: It's all right there.

Cristina: There's like so much area. There's so much happening. I don't know.

Jack: It's all happening now. The question would be, okay, we know what's happening, who's doing it? Because I know it wasn't the same guys from all the way over there in the Middle East. There's other groups of people who figured it out from the Shadow Realm. Maybe this spread like wildfire in the Shadow Realm. They're like, wow, we could just go live in earthrealm.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then these are ways they did it. And so we. But also, we're talking about the most haunted place in the entire planet. Which isn't in the Middle East. It's in New Jersey, man.

Cristina: It does make the whole. Oh, they didn't understand our rules. So they didn't, like you know the legal part of it, that they didn't get in trouble. These foreigners. Like that was where the shadow around people. Of course.

Jack: Of course. Oh my God. Oh my God. And also, you couldn't even chase them. You had to concede. You try to follow them into their home where they just fled back to. How are you gonna get there? You don't. You just. Oh my God. They disappeared.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The f*** did they go? And this happens every time you follow them. You have to concede. You have to be like, f***, no. They just won't let them go. We can't. We can't figure it out. We can't figure it out as hard as we try. Now, in theory, you could imprison one of them, but you gotta get to them before they get back home. But even though it doesn't matter, it's too overpowered. They could just still f*** with you from the Shadow Realm without ever having to come out. So yeah, it is a Matter of. We can't win this battle. No matter how we look at it. We got to let them go. We got to just work with them. We can't. We can't. Nope. Oh, my bad. Foreigners. And they were the ones running. Explains. Like sketchy people coming in and out. Everything is so explained right now. It's crazy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just with the judge and the baby swapping so much crap suddenly makes sense. I was also haunted by the baby swapping. To be honest, I was totally haunted by that. But. And the judge walking through the gate. That never made sense.

Cristina: That never made sense. We probably came up with different explanations and none of them.

Jack: None of them made sense. We tried our best, but it's three major events that make everything make sense.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Lucifer using Ishmael as a template to become a physical being. Babies being kidnapped, which is essentially just most likely people being kidnapped in order to have a template to make Djinn into physical beings. And then the actual example of a person who we thought was human straight up walk into the Shadow Realm without dying.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: Crazy.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: Those three instances connect in such a way that paint us a beautiful picture.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We figured it out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Wow. Which means that is actually a lab at the bottom of the castle where you do the conversion process.

Cristina: Yes. I mean, if we go down there, it's probably so it's. It's nothing but like on the other side.

Jack: To be on this side. Because the baby has to be on this side.

Cristina: Oh, no.

Jack: That's why the castle needed to be knocked down. You can't have access.

Cristina: Yes. That's so scary.

Jack: And then people go missing. But there is a secret way in.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Most likely in the town.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It must be on this side. It has to be.

Cristina: They're stealing babies not just from that forest, but from every town they connected to.

Jack: Well, it's not babies in a lot of these cases.

Cristina: Oh, they can just tell anyone.

Jack: Yeah. This mill was a grown a** person who. Ismail was a scientist and he volunteered as a template for Lucifer. That was a grown a** man.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This grown a** man. So you could just kidnap people. It's just easier if you like this. The. The judge and his sister just happen to be people who didn't know. And there's probably a bunch of people like that.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But you're taking the template to just, you know, read and spread and whatever. And eventually they can maybe. The envision. I mean, that's so Lucifer. Envision a world in which we're all equal. That's such a. It's A hundred percent shadow people doing it. Yeah. That's such a f****** Lucifer fueled idea.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just share our ability. Look, eventually they'll just be able to find us and come and we'll all be equal. It's like, that's. But you're kidnapping and murder, man. You clearly. I know you think you're the good guy, bro.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Not to say Jehovah is. Jovah's not the good guy. He'll clean out the earth if it f****** filled him with joy and fulfilled his goal, which he literally did at some point. Yeah, but Lucifer, man, you still kidnapping and killing, bro. Always been the case. Entire civilizations collapse because you want to share too much. Like, how are you any better?

Cristina: I don't know. He is.

Jack: I don't know, man. That's crazy. That's nuts. As the experiment with Ismail and Lucifer, the judge and his sister and babies being swapped all connect beautifully to explain everything that's happening in Clinton Road.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That gives us the lab underneath with all the facilities, the extra chambers, the room so people can sleep. Dude, you harvesting people down here. You draining people for blood and you're using them as templates in order to change. And then the people who are showing up back.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Are just Jim.

Cristina: And they're thinking like, there's weird blood rituals happening in the castle before any of this. So like. Yeah. They were probably right established at that time.

Jack: Yes. And it was happening over. It was probably just happening in the castle.

Cristina: Well, it's just one of the ways in.

Jack: Yes. And they were like, somebody stumbled, saw it, talked about it. Then, you know, the mayor sends the people in and they start to investigate and then they stumble upon the thing and it's like, look, bro, you ain't never say anything. Yeah. You try. Try to talk about it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like, look, look, bro. I'm gonna just not that we never saw anything.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: And then eventually we knock this place down, you guys keep everything you got, keep it to a minimum, and we're good. That has to be it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: D***, bro.

Cristina: They're definitely paying them for it. To not do anything about it.

Jack: Because they were getting money.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And these people work, but they don't need money. They just want to live amongst the.

Cristina: Humans and eat the humans.

Jack: No. Well, what the h*** would the people who are physical not to do anything with the humans. Jin. Don't need blood.

Cristina: Oh, then who. What are they doing again in the.

Jack: The needed the blood in the basement. They just need templates. So that gym.

Cristina: Okay. They need bodies.

Jack: They need bodies. They don't need blood. And so once they got physical forms, they don't need to bother anybody.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I can go work, make money. My entire community of people can make money. And we can pay you to leave us alone.

Cristina: Yes. They're still killing the people. They're making templates of.

Jack: Yes, 100%. Maybe there's two or three people that look exactly the same before they get rid of them.

Cristina: That's crazy. I don't know.

Jack: Weird. Two or three. Doppelganger. That might explain the f****** concept of doppelgangers, too. They don't actually kill everybody.

Cristina: Yes. The only reason I think they must, because people do go missing.

Jack: People do go missing? Yeah.

Cristina: Like, unless they're like, you're now gonna live over here. I don't know.

Jack: No, I think they do. I mean, they can't. They're still human. They're probably just trapped in the basement as blood fuels for something. Yeah, fair enough. If there are humans who did cross again, maybe druids or some s*** like that that eventually do cross, they're still human. In order to be sustained, there must be blood.

Cristina: Yeah, that's. I'm saying.

Jack: Fire. Fire. A lot explained. That's really cool. It was very complicated.

Cristina: Very.

Jack: All right. Anyways, yeah, we definitely did. We definitely got to the bottom of this. A bottom of a lot by accident. So, yeah, if you guys have any more input on this, any connections you've made by listening to us that we clearly did not, because we missed some things. Yeah, we always connected it.

Cristina: Now.

Jack: Yeah, we just. A bunch of crap we clearly missed has just been connected. So if you guys have any idea, if you realize anything in the middle of this, let us know. You can hit us up on our socials at justconville, Pod, on Tick Tock, Instagram, Facebook, wherever the h*** you want to reach out to us.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

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Jack: Sam.

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May 25, 2024

Rambling 275: Nazi Israel's Genocide of Palestine

May 25, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

If no one agrees with the actions of Israel, why haven’t governments picked up arms to protect the lives of the innocent? Why is Egypt not stepping in by force to protect Palestinians forcing Israel to withdraw or accidentally attack Egyptians providing aid? Why has Gaza always been under the leadership of foreign governments and powers? The duo unpack one of the greatest mysteries on Earth and discover it connects directly into current world events. This is the story of how the the Nazi Israel State’s Genocide of Palestine and Gaza connects directly into the ancient history of the Elysians and the World War that took place at the birth of Jesus Christ.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

What is Gaza?
The Mass Migration to Gaza
World War 0
Elysian Genetics
Who is the Bad Guy?
The Conclusion of the Elysian Saga

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And today we are. I'm even dodging the intro. We don't got time. Today we're gonna do something really weir. I did a lot of searching and then I took it to an AI and then I spoke to that AI and we shared information. I took it to the quantum computer, shared information with that, found some interesting things, then brought it back to the AI, through which I kept discussing all the additional details. Now, all of this is extremely important. What we are discussing today is the Aletians, but we are discussing way more than that. We are discussing a bigger picture. We are discussing potentially what happened to them with maybe proof. Whoa. And who they are. Who they are still on Earth at this moment, their descendants.

Cristina: Okay, okay, okay. So I will have questions answered, though, while with this too, about.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Like other things we've been wondering about.

Jack: Okay, so we're gonna begin with some couple questions. We're gonna literally just hear the computer tell us. Okay, so I'm going to go ahead. Let's see if I can choose a nice, pleasant voice, perhaps come over here. You're going to sound like whatever this is. And then we're going to go over here. And so this begins. And my questions are based on just trying to find the original mention of Palestine ever. So my question is, when is the first mention of Palestine? And the first mention of Palestine shows up roughly around a hundred. About. Around the year 1155 B.C. okay, right. So Palestine doesn't. My intention in originally searching was mainly to find out what is happening in Gaza. I have many, many theories about what's happening in Gaza, and I know too much about things that I've seen.

Cristina: And you think it's related to this?

Jack: I think it's very related to this. I think the situation. In fact, let's frame some of this. I guess it's really important. The idea is that it seems that suddenly at some point in time around the year 6 BC to around the year 4 AD corroborated by. Seems like almost every record you could come across. And between those two points, there seems to be two things that happen. A massive war that seems to almost not be spoken about. You find mentions and shreds of it everywhere. Everybody experienced it, no matter where the h*** they were almost on Earth. It doesn't matter where they were.

Cristina: They.

Jack: The war happened, but it was Almost not discussed, mentioned. You see an image depicting that moment in time, and it'll be a giant army.

Cristina: And there's like, World War we called.

Jack: It one, but there was there. You'll see images, hieroglyphs and drawings, cave drawings and things of, like, a whole army and just be one. And it'd be referencing a very specific event that seems to line up. You'll find texts that mention, you know, the importance of a day that's usually very focused on this period of time. And then suddenly, again, no other reference. Almost like the acknowledgement matters, but don't go into detail. And you find it everywhere, the same specific period of time. In the Greek documents, it seems to be somewhere between about 5 BC and about 5 BC AD and in Egyptian documents, it seems to be around 7 to around 5 as well. And so when you average, there's kind of like a middle ground that kind of. It all falls into that. There's something epic happening. But you also have the same thing happening over there. Maya, they are always also talking about this sort of giant event.

Cristina: Maya.

Jack: Yes. In a lot of places, there are things like this that have been considered the apocalypse event.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We've read some. In the case of Maya, there we went. We used. We did that with their calendar for the modern day, where we were like, oh, 2012 is going to be the end of the world, or whatever, because their calendar ends. And so it seems like this special period of time that everybody's talking about might have been construed by humans the same way as we lost the meaning of what they were talking about and just assumed that they had an apocalypse day or something that was going to happen. But that's incorrect. There was a war. Everything is people preparing for war.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's just really weird that's happening in that period of time. Now, what else happens in that period of time? Two giant important events.

Cristina: Jesus's birth.

Jack: Jesus's birth.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And the disappearance of the Elysians.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah.

Jack: Both coincide in that one giant period. Period of time. Now, that's crossing pure mythology, pure scripture, and pure records to come up with the fact that they all, even within these different mediums, all talk about the same point in time. So not only that, we bring actual records that exist, but now just looking at mythology, well, Jesus was there, too. And looking at religion, well, we got the events of the. Well, I guess it's the other way. Looking at religion, we got Jesus in there and looking at mythologies, we got Hermes in here, and we got the Elysians in here. We got events happening, weird things happening, okay?

Cristina: But you know, there's a fight that's everywhere. We don't know with who, we don't know with who.

Jack: We don't know with who. And that is sort of a really important detail because is who's on what side. But there is a huge war. So my focus became Gaza. Right?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Something is up with that. So one of my questions becomes. I don't even know how to put this because I've run out of ways to look for things. I have gone into the etymology of what things originally meant to find out what people meant about things as you know. So I'm going to give you some definitions of some things. Okay? First, the first mention of Israel was somewhere in the year 1200 or so. That's not like a real thing. That was made much later.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Israelites shows up in the Bible, but Israel does not. Okay. Very important things to say. The origin of Palestine. The term Palestine is the word philistine, which is Greek or Latin, if I'm not mistaken. But what it literally translates to is a person who is hostile or indifferent to culture and the arts, or who is or who has no understanding of them. What Palestine is in itself an insult. The term Palestine is calling somebody an ignorant a******, essentially.

Cristina: Okay, right. How did that happen?

Jack: The people didn't name themselves that. Somebody else named them that. But why?

Cristina: Oh, yeah, why?

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Why did they keep it?

Jack: Something weird. Yes, you're asking the right questions. You're asking the same questions that got me here. Those are the right questions. So Israel comes to exist later as a place. Palestine did exist since the year 1200 BCE or so. Okay. So it's been around, but it was referred to as this thing, right? Now, if we look at Palestine throughout all of history, no matter how many times it changed hands, it was never being ruled by a Palestinian. It was ruled by the Romans, it was ruled by the Jews. It was ruled by Greeks, by Israel. The blockade is controlled primarily by Israel. Now, in every one of these instances, that place was a place of contention, a place of consistent battle. Most battles were fought over Palestine. Specifically. Specifically the Gaza Strip. Weird coincidence.

Cristina: There's something there.

Jack: Well, I went to look to see, like, does this place have astounding natural resources or something? No, it's kind of average for the Middle East. But here's a giant list of people who kind of ruled over. We have the Egyptians, we have the Assyrians and the Babylonians, the Persians, which is the one we're particularly familiar with. And the point in which Persia was in control of Palestine just so happened to be between the predicted beginning of it just so happen to be between the two points that we are discussing. 6 BCE and 5 AD. What a weird coincidence when Persia has the Gaza Strip. Interesting, interesting, interesting.

Cristina: What does it mean?

Jack: What does it mean? Right, so it begins. We. It. It takes over, right? The Persian Empire takes over and immediately things start to fall apart. Weird. I don't even know, man.

Cristina: But what falls apart in Persia?

Jack: Yeah, well, in this specific region, right, because they take over and then what do we have? We have the Persian Empire that gets in control. And my bad, I'm saying this totally incorrectly because I'm looking at the information and confusing it as I'm looking at it.

Cristina: Oh, there.

Jack: The Persian control ends at that point in the period of 6 BC to 5 80. So it begins 600 years prior.

Cristina: But it stops.

Jack: But it's around stops around the time that Jesus is born. Persia loses Palestine around the time that Jesus is born, which falls in line with some other things. If the big bad leader leaves the territory, then it's a free for all and anybody can grab what they want. But we know, presumably the Elysians move. Yeah, I then look at the mass migration lines. This was the next part. They moved, they left.

Cristina: You talking about the Persians or the lesions?

Jack: Okay, Specifically the group of people. I need to be general when I'm talking. Right. So it's the group of people who happen to be in the neck of the Persian Gulf, specifically, that we can, through records, track a migration line of people who settled there. Because obviously we can't go to a record be like lesions. We can only find them in scripture and we can only find them in mythology and a few records that mention them. But it could have been influenced by mythology or whatever. Yeah, but the people who were settled at the neck of the Persian Gulf, we can find their migration lines. And weirdly enough, their migration lines split into three parts, one of which goes right into the Gaza Strip.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: We can follow mass migration far west, we can follow a mass migration north, and we can follow a migration that begins in the Middle east and ends in the Middle east at the Gaza Strip. All three lines starting at the neck of the Persian Gulf. And it's mass migration. We can follow a huge migration pattern that happens to three different locations. We don't know where in the west the other one is, but we can theorize the easy one. And we don't know where the one north is. But we have other stories Corroborating where a group of people might have gone north too.

Cristina: Well, like in Ireland. No, Ireland.

Jack: The Norway in that area up there where it seems to be really weird. But then we have the one that goes to the Gaza Strip. How weird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I think we've gotten the story wrong the whole time.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Because a giant war happens at that same time, and we have one mass migration that happens, and then that mass migration isn't unified. It breaks up into three parts, and then one of those parts ends in the Gaza Strip. What's the Gaza Strip?

Cristina: Right this very moment, Isn't it Gaza? I don't know.

Jack: It's a prison.

Cristina: Oh, it's a prison.

Jack: It's an open air prison. Oh, they can't go anywhere, right? From every direction. And nobody helps them, no matter who at any given moment helps them. We keep saying so, but the leaders know something, the people don't, and they just don't. Everybody just kind of steps back, okay?

Cristina: It has to do with them being related to some deceived people.

Jack: Well, the next part of this dives into genetics. I was looking at genetic records and I was trying to find what exactly is the difference between the people of the neck of the Persian Gulf and people anywhere else. And I find that they have a very specific marker for a really, really, really primitive, different branching type of caveman. So we're familiar with the Neanderthal that a lot of people have DNA of. That's the majority of people. Oh, no, my bad. That's the minority. Then the majority of people have the Denisovan genes, which is the other thing. And some people have spikes of that, you know, so we have. We're make up of variations of these two types of things, okay?

Cristina: But they have something else.

Jack: There is a group called haplog group J1Y, D, N A. And that group is very, very, very, very specific because they just happen to have a. Just like humans, you know, natural evolutionary path. They are human. Not to say they're not human, but natural evolutionary path. This primitive ape since before the Neanderthal, just two primitive different apes that are, let's say, gorillas, almost identical. They literally split off at a point that they are like gorillas, almost too.

Cristina: Close to us, okay?

Jack: But in that time, this one DNA group goes and is affected in isolation without mixing with anything else that came from its original group. So it can't breed with anything else. It remains diversified within itself, but pure from any of its other ancestors. It doesn't remix, it keeps branching off. Once they Leave where their species is now. Their species that they abandoned will evolve gradually, but the travel alone will force a natural selection process that will continue only the best to survive. The best to survive. And those will pass the children on, over and over. It's a speedier process than the ones that stayed behind. This group that went traveling begins evolving faster and faster and faster and faster in isolation, away from any other ape. No other apes, just this group. Now, this group eventually breaks off itself in isolation into a second group, which is haplogroup E1b, 1b, which is a Y DNA as well. This is the, weirdly enough, almost identical DNA of the Palestinian people today.

Cristina: How did you. How do you know?

Jack: I had to read a lot of DNA logs and a lot of ancestry files to just find different DNA patterns around Earth.

Cristina: But the way you said it, it makes it sound like they can't mix with people.

Jack: No, no, no.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The way you heard it, for some reason came out like that. But I specifically said that they left all of their species. They can't mix with other species. They left their species and they went and evolved over there in isolation, away from their species. So they're not gonna go f*** a tiger and successfully mate. That couldn't happen. And there's no other apes out there, so it's not that they can't mate. There's just no other race within their species they can mate with other than themselves. Because they migrated away. They went to where apes have never been. They are the first apes there.

Cristina: You're talking about the sea people.

Jack: I am talking about the. I've not mentioned the sea people. I'm talking about the people from the neck of the Persian Gulf. Oasis of the Persian Gulf. And Palestinians that are the second group. And the Palestinians are the only people on Earth who have that second DNA strand that came from the first DNA strand in isolation. No one on Earth else has that. They were.

Cristina: But they can still have children with other humans.

Jack: Yes. I don't know why you think they can't.

Cristina: Okay. I don't know. The way you're saying it sounds like they can only. I don't know. The whole way you're trying to describe.

Jack: What part is making you think that? Because then the listeners might be thinking that, too. I need clarity. Hatton is important. Ask the right question so I can clarify.

Cristina: You were just explaining I don't know. It sounds like. I don't know. The ape can't have sex with a lion. Tiger.

Jack: That is correct.

Cristina: I know that. But what does that relate to anything.

Jack: Well, you said they can't reproduce with other things. I'm saying no, they just can't reproduce with things that aren't them.

Cristina: But that would mean we are them.

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: These are saying they can't reproduce with other things that are not like them?

Jack: Yeah, we're like them. Yes.

Cristina: Okay. That's all.

Jack: Yeah, they're just a different type of monkey like we. Okay, that's what I'm saying. Like Neanderthal. This is just another group. They're still apes, okay. They're apes that went elsewhere and can't mate with things that aren't apes. So they're just with themselves. Without more variation, this one specific group, without the variations that are gonna happen in the climate around them, they go in isolation. And in isolation means there's no influence from any other ape. And they are in close enough quarters that they cannot widely expand and become different variations of themselves. So it's not like they have both a mountain and an ocean and they spread out and live in an island with a mountain and an ocean. And so the people by the water turn into something after a couple of thousand years and the people up in the mountains turn into something else. That didn't happen for some reason. Where they went seemed to be an exact climate everywhere, an exact condition everywhere, island like and entrapped, so that they would evolve without any variation and keep it pure as they combat every other element that there is, animal wise and actual, you know, weather wise. And so they go on a crazy fast evolutionary track because of this sort of purity that's happening, that they just so happen to split off with normal apes. They were just normal apes, literally the same thing. And then they go. And that pace is crazy. Now, keep in mind, we understand that the Elysians move significantly slower than humans do. That's almost the feature that makes humans interesting, the fact that we move really, really quickly. So why is it that that ape was moving so, so fast? Well, that just so happened to be environmental conditions that were forcing it, like I said before. Right. So we know that they have the ability to. Or are we looking at crazy long scales?

Cristina: What do you mean by crazy long scale?

Jack: That maybe what I'm discussing is happening in such an exaggerated long set of time that now we're talking millions of years. And in these millions of years, we know that we have literal titles that seem to stretch out for like, infinity as long, like, how are you 3 million years old? This doesn't make sense. So we have weird situations like that that maybe some of These stories began being recorded by these very exaggeratedly primitive creatures and that became the basis for their religion. So little by little these titles and names became as a grunt, but then that same grunt. A good way to think about it would be if you consider the episode of Star Trek that had the story of the dragon and the slaying the dragon and their whole language and their whole communication style and everything they've ever known was about this dragon.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it was almost impossible to communicate with this race. And what we're struggling with in understanding they're the things they've said is because their entire way of communication has been built on the sort of narrative of the first of them and sort of retelling the narrative of the first of them. And some people learn to crack this communication. Special humans who are exceptionally intelligent like Hermes or under individuals who could sort of pierce communication with this other hyper advanced thing. Or maybe they were learning to communicate with us, I don't know. But that would explain having a name that seems to stretch millions and millions of years.

Cristina: What was the name?

Jack: Loi.

Cristina: Oh, Loi. Okay. And I thought you talk about the creatures that are in, I don't know, the sea, the original sea people.

Jack: That is literally what I'm talking about. Because that would be Loi.

Cristina: But you're saying that he's not living forever, it's just the story.

Jack: Well, we already believe that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That Loi is a title moving forward through time.

Cristina: But they're getting it from that location is what you're saying.

Jack: I'm saying that there seems to have been a person named Loi at some point and that maybe because we see it through millions of years mentioned that perhaps this millions of years of mention is the mention of the same first few people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that anything and everything continues to be built on that. And that we're just witnessing and strange communication style that only some people learn to pierce. And those people would end up working with the Elysians. But that's just a theory because the point being that this group split off and then broke off into two parts. One part becomes lost, the J one that is existent and we can see through fossilized things that this existed and this was real and went extinct.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now we don't know how far they got. We just know that's the point that we see the end of that creature and we haven't found any future version of it. Minus the E1B 1B which is a variant of the J1 that split off and those are the Palestinians.

Cristina: Oh my Gosh.

Jack: Okay, so the people from the neck of the Persian gulf are the J1. The variation that split off are the Palestinians.

Cristina: E1B1B. I don't know.

Jack: E1B1B.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And these are just genetic markers. They happen to originate in the same spot, are shared by nobody else on Earth, and happen so far back that it predates humans, it predates Neanderthals, it predates the general idea of cave people, and would have led to a rapid evolutionary path that suddenly seems to disappear. It doesn't seem to break off into anything else and is not shared by any other creature. It just whittles away and we don't know where it goes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Weird. People of Gaza, or specifically the people of the Gaza Strip, specifically, are those people born there?

Cristina: Are the ancestors.

Jack: Yeah, people who are origin from there share that DNA primarily. Weird detail.

Cristina: Yes. But is that why people want that? But is it because they want the people? What's.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I couldn't answer it. But that's very interesting. Right. And it brings up a lot of questions like what the h*** is the connection between those two things? Why do you guys have this if that broke off at some point in the past? Right. Well, there's a theory that might explain this. The people that broke off and went to the Gaza Strip. Why'd they go to the Gaza Strip specifically?

Cristina: You have an answer for that?

Jack: No. And then you look at the genetic deviation. The only place that exists is in the Gaza Strip. That's where it originates from. So the people who left the neck of the Persian Gulf went to the place where the only other place that already shared their DNA identically. Weird. Right? Or the people we see in Gaza now are literally the people who left the neck of the Persian Gulf and we're seeing their ancestors in Gaza.

Cristina: I thought that's what the case was. What's the first option?

Jack: That the people from the Persian Gulf went to where the deviated ape landed and evolved, and so they go to where their DNA already was. Or.

Cristina: That's too random.

Jack: Yeah, that's weird. Or the people from the Persian Gulf get to Gaza and then we're seeing their.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Descendants. Yeah, they are the ancestors of who we see now. And so they share this very specific marker. There has been. Hello. Wars over that place, as we've discussed. There has been. Israel in particular, seems to always be in conflict with Palestine. That is a tug of war throughout time.

Cristina: It's not some religious reason.

Jack: That's always the excuse but when is that ever the. The accurate truth of the fact, you know? So have to give you a little bit. So coming back to etymology. We know what Palestine means. They treat it and discuss it like a prison. But we know that the people from the neck of the Persian Gulf, a part of them went there. We also know at that same moment, Jesus is born. The Palestine is lost by Persia. And we know that. What else do we know? We know we got a great war.

Cristina: Jesus is born, and those people went.

Jack: The migration. We got the migration that lands at Gaza.

Cristina: Is that not all we have?

Jack: Well, yeah. Well, here's where it gets. It's gonna get a little weird because who are the other side in this deal always with Palestine.

Cristina: What deal?

Jack: Well, the problem.

Cristina: Okay, who is it? Misrule.

Speaker C: Yes.

Jack: And Israel is populated by Israel people.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Religiously speaking.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: You know what Israel is religiously speaking?

Cristina: Jewish.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Whoa. Okay. Yes. There was no. Not even like, close answer to be second.

Cristina: Okay, what was this? What's the other people then?

Jack: Palestinians. Those are. They're Islam.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're Muslim. But because of the problem happening there, we focus on Israel. We got enough from Israel knowing that they're calling that a prison. But wait, your own terminology is that. That's prison. Weird. People don't know what Palestine means, but Palestine means prison. The Jews are saying that the people there are their prisoners. Interesting. Okay, this is just going back to original language. What they originally meant by the word, what the original use of the word was. They were calling the people there their prisoners. But Israel happens in the year 1200.

Cristina: What's going on? I don't get it. I don't get it.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we got to go backwards because if Israel is calling it that, really, we're just talking that the Jews are calling it that. That's why it's more important to say Jews. And the Jews speak what language? Hebrew. Okay. That's the Hebrew word for prison.

Cristina: What was the word again?

Jack: Palestine.

Cristina: Palestine. Oh, yeah, that was something else.

Jack: It literally becomes the word philistine.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And philistine means hostile, indifferent culture of people who are essentially ignorant.

Cristina: Mm. I remember all that.

Jack: All of that is what they're referring to. The Gaza Strip, which is a walled in place. So either they're referring to them as just that place with animals, or that's just the shithole we put things in.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which essentially a prison. Everybody at all times is keeping that under control. Keep in mind, that's the other piece of information. Palestine has never controlled itself. It's always been property of something else at all times since its creation. It has never been a free state. Israel, that came way later, became free instantaneously by its inception. But Palestine has not. It's only moved hands between the same people over and over.

Cristina: Mm. That's horrible. Okay.

Jack: Mm. Now, going back to etymology again. The word philistine is the Hebrew word for dirty, ignorant person, as we know. But what were the people calling the Hebrew people? Well, Hebrew isn't a Hebrew word. Hebrew is a Latin word referred to the Hebrew people. This is going to be very interesting because I have to tell you what it means, and then suddenly we're going to have a lot of questions. A lot of questions. But it might have answered many questions on the road to tell you just.

Cristina: For what Hebrew means from what Hebrew means.

Jack: So we got to work backwards to get there. Right. And it comes from way, way, way old ancient Latin and late Greek. That's how we know where it originated from. And when they were talking about the Hebrew people, they specifically addressed these individuals with the term. Let me click over here real quick. Hebrew literally translates to. Why isn't this working? Oh, my God. Okay, want to get this literally accurate? Literally means one from the other side. I don't understand the word Hebrew literally.

Cristina: Means one from the other side.

Jack: One from the other side. Israel was made in the year 1200. Roughly. It did not exist prior to that. They call the Hebrews Hebrew because it means one's from the other side.

Cristina: Does it somehow relate to the shadow realm? I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. I'm just giving you etymology. Interesting, huh?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Other people, through the same sort of channels of communication, adopted Hebrew as a way to accurately refer to people that were, quote, Hebrew unquote, because they also thought it meant wanderer. So those were the two original terminologies. The full structure became wander from the other side.

Cristina: Very Where? What side? What is this side? It's gotta be shadow realms. I don't know.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. But they're humans.

Jack: But they're humans.

Cristina: You checked into their DNA.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And nothing came up.

Jack: They are. Nothing came up. No, they're just people.

Cristina: But they're ones from the other side.

Jack: Ones from the other side? Wanderers from the other side. Or ones that wander from the other side.

Cristina: Weird, because you said they're not. I mean, they're newer than everyone else.

Jack: Yeah. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Now, a couple of things that we need to note. Ones from the other side, they're human.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But the. What I'm about to say is very specifically chosen. Lucifer was also.

Cristina: Was also humans. Oh, no.

Jack: From the other side.

Cristina: Oh, that's what he's called.

Jack: Lucifer. Yeah, Lucifer.

Cristina: He's called from the other side.

Jack: No, it's called Lightbringer. I'm saying Lucifer was from the other side.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: What, man, I gotta connect every dot for you. What are the important details about Lucifer that we know? Jesus Christ, just what do we know about Lucifer? What did he do? Significant. He had two things that mattered a lot.

Cristina: He tried to give people knowledge.

Jack: Okay, great. And what else? That's one. The other one is a really weird one.

Cristina: I can't remember the other one.

Jack: Really?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Whoa, you're never paying attention.

Cristina: Then what's the other one?

Jack: That he turned himself into a freaking Elysian.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: Okay, how is that what escaped you?

Cristina: The other one I remember.

Jack: No, apparently you didn't until I told you.

Cristina: I remember now.

Jack: Yeah, because I told you, man, you got to connect these dots. It's pointless if I got to tell you every part of it. That means there's nothing retained. The listeners are probably screaming at you right now like, what the f***? It's obviously this. He turned himself into a f****** Elysian.

Cristina: Okay? Yes.

Jack: So changing out of a shadow thing into an earth biological thing is absolutely possible according to the very narratives they tried to hide. The people who tried to hide it was an effort between the current day Christians and existing Jews.

Cristina: What does it mean though?

Jack: It could have been that the people of Israel are from in fact, the other side. And then they turn themselves human with whatever technology was developed in that time by Lucifer who went back to the shadow realm to continue his research.

Cristina: Okay? These are made people.

Jack: These are made people. They just showed up. That didn't exist before. Not the Jews, the Israeli people.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: The Jews existed, always. The Israeli people didn't. Now, weirdly enough, if Israel is a group of people that came from the other side and then made themselves human, and we are seeing the descendants of those individuals, then the Jews that were labeled Hebrew by the Greek long ago, about the year 3000 BC or so, those individuals were labeled wanderers from the other side. Way back then, shortly after the 5000 B.C. problematic breakup with Jehovah. So that happens, 5000 B.C. they disappear and then 3000 B.C. jews appear.

Cristina: I don't understand. I mean, I know what you're saying. I don't understand.

Jack: Yeah, it's weird, right? All these dots are like anybody. All of what I'm talking about is just free information out there. I'm just putting it in a weird order and you guys tell me what you think. I'm giving you how it looks in order. Just chronology.

Cristina: There's just shadow realm people living as humans.

Jack: They got turned into humans by whatever technology.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Weird, right?

Cristina: Yes. I don't understand. Okay. I don't know.

Jack: It gets weird, right?

Cristina: It gets weird. That is really weird.

Jack: Yeah, it's a bit of a rabbit hole. If I can get. I want to get this thing to explain a very specific part of this that matters.

Cristina: But, like, those are two real random things and I still don't understand how they relate.

Jack: What two random things?

Cristina: There are people who come from the sea. People who are being killed off pretty much. Or something. There's something happening to them from the shadow realm. Humans or whatever. Yeah, from one experiment. One experiment is experimenting on a. Not experiment. They're not experiments. But they are now to these people, sort of.

Jack: Yeah, like a. Oh, how the turntables type of thing.

Cristina: Yes, I guess. Yeah. Is that what's happening? But why? But why? But why?

Jack: But why? That's ultimately the question. Right. All right, so now I'm gonna just give you the question and you're gonna hear the explanation from the AI Okay. In Greek ancient texts, there's mention of groups of people that have been referred to by the sea people. Right. And in later texts, the Egyptians reference those same people. That this is a slur and that these are the people of the neck of the Persian Gulf. I'm just trying to connect that for a fact. Those people are the same people that are being referred to. So this is the response.

Speaker C: The term sea peoples is used in ancient texts, primarily Egyptian, to describe a confederation of naval raiders who attacked ancient Egypt and other regions of the Eastern Mediterranean during the late bronze age, circa 1200 BCE. These peoples are often depicted in Egyptian records, notably on the inscriptions of Pharaoh Ramesses III at Medic Medinet Habu, where they are described as invaders who caused significant destruction and upheaval in the region. However, the identification of these groups remains a topic of debate among historians and archaeologists.

Jack: Okay, so yes, we know they exist. We're unclear about who they are. So cross reference everything that possibly exists. Let's unpack. We're going to go and look at every mention and then try to compare it. So this is the answer to that.

Speaker C: I understand your approach of cross referencing multiple sources to uncover deeper insights. Here's an overview that integrates data from both Greek and Egyptian texts regarding the Sea Peoples and the potential identification as one Greek records Ancient Greek texts, including works by Herodotus and other historians, occasionally reference groups of people in the context of maritime activities. However, specific identification of the Sea Peoples in Greek texts is less common compared to Egyptian records. 2. Egyptian records the term Sea Peoples primarily appears in Egyptian inscriptions, notably those of Pharaoh Ramesses iii, who described them as a confederation of raiders attacking Egypt and other regions around the Mediterranean around 1200 BCE. The Medinet Habu inscriptions provide detailed accounts of these incursions. The Egyptians listed specific groups among the Sea Peoples, such as the Peleset Philistines, Cheker, Shekelesh, Denaen, and Weshesh. 3 There is speculation and some lesser known sources that may hint at different terminologies used by the Egyptians. Some historians suggest that terms like Elysians might have been used in different contexts or translations. This idea is not widely accepted in mainstream scholarship, but could be found in more obscure or speculative historical texts. Cross REFERENCING insights Herodotus and later Greek historians Greek historians like Herodotus refer to various peoples and regions, often in the context of broader historical narratives. While direct references to Sea Peoples in Greek texts are scarce, there are mentions of maritime peoples and invasions that might align with the broader activities of the Sea Peoples described by the Egyptians. Archaeological and historical analysis Archaeologists and historians often cross reference Egyptian inscriptions with archaeological evidence found in regions like the Levant and the Aegean to identify the movements and impacts of these groups. This multidisciplinary approach helps to piece together the broader picture of the Late Bronze Age collapse and the migration invasion patterns of these groups.

Jack: Okay, so we know everybody's talking about the same people, roughly different terminology, but we kind of all land at the same couple of words translate roughly into the same things. Elysians and Sea people seem to be the two common denominators at all times. So we are talking about the same people now. Migration patterns Mm.

Speaker C: The question of whether the Elysians potentially identified with the Sea Peoples migrated from the Persian Gulf region to the Mediterranean is intriguing and involves cross reference referencing archaeological and historical data. Migration patterns 1 Archaeological evidence Archaeological records indicate that there was significant movement of peoples from the Persian Gulf region towards the Mediterranean around the turn of the millennium. This movement aligns with various sociopolitical disruptions and climatic changes that could have driven migrations. 30 source 38 source that's just it.

Jack: Giving the reference locations, giving the records so that people can find where it is.

Speaker C: During the Late Bronze Age, particularly under Pharaoh Ramesses iii, these groups, including the Peleset, often identified with the Philistines, are depicted as coming from regions that may correspond with the eastern Mediterranean or even further afield. 38 source 39 source the term Elysians mentioned in some later Egyptian texts might be referring to these same groups, indicating a continuity or connection in the used by different cultures to describe these maritime peoples. Historical context between 6 BCE and 4 AD there is evidence to suggest significant population movements, trade and conflict. The Persian Gulf was a crucial trade hub, and interactions with the Mediterranean were well established through trade routes and maritime activities. This facilitated not just economic exchange, but also the movement of peoples. 37 thirge debt source cultural and political the period saw the rise and fall of various empires, such as the Parthians and later the Romans, which created conditions for migration due to Both opportunity and displacement. 38 source 39 source Conclusion While there is no definitive proof directly linking the term Elysians used by Egyptians to a specific migration event, convergence of archaeological and textual evidence supports the notion that groups identified with the Sea Peoples could have originated from the Persian Gulf region and migrated towards the Mediterranean. These migrations would have brought them into conflict and contact with established civilizations like those in Egypt, leading to their prominent place in historical records.

Jack: Okay, so yes, we can get enough information to say there was factually a weird migration that happened by these people and most likely put them in danger in the course of migration. So it wasn't even a safe migration. So whatever was happening where you were leaving had to be worse. Okay, than everything you were facing on your way out. And that's where it gets a little bit interesting, because we know that the Sea People are exceptionally overpowered. So how?

Cristina: How did this happen? How did this happen right now? Mm.

Speaker C: The concept of the Sea Peoples, including potentially the Elysians, being sophisticated and dangerous, is well documented in ancient texts and archaeological records. These groups were indeed highly capable, often depicted as formidable warriors with advanced maritime technology and tactics. Their incursions into regions such as Egypt, Anatolia and The Levant around 1200 BCE caused significant upheaval and contributed to the Bronze Age collapse. Did the entire Middle east and Europe band together to suppress the Elysians? The hypothesis that various civilizations banded together to combat the Sea Peoples is supported by several factors. One Coalition against the Sea Egyptian records, particularly from the reigns of Pharaohs Meremtah and Ramesses iii, describe significant battles against the Sea Peoples. These records indicate that Egypt allied with other local forces to repel these invasions. The Medinet Habu inscriptions detail such coalitions, highlighting the combined efforts to defend against the Sea People's raids. 45urSource 46th Source 2. Destruction and defense Archaeological evidence across the eastern Mediterranean shows widespread destruction of cities and settlements attributed to the Sea Peoples. This widespread impact suggests that many regions felt threatened by these groups and took defensive actions, including forming alliances to protect their territories. 47 I source 48 source 3. Geopolitical context the political landscape of the late Bronze Age was highly interconnected. Major powers such as the Hittite Empire, Mycenaean Greece, and Egypt were all affected by the movements of the Sea Peoples. The coordinated efforts to suppress these groups can be seen as a response to a common threat that destabilized the region's political and economic systems. 48 source 49 source While direct evidence of a single unified alliance comprising all Middle Eastern and European civilizations against the Elysians or Sea Peoples is not explicitly documented, the collaborative efforts of various states in response to these incursions are well supported. The necessity of defending against a highly mobile and capable adversary likely drove these civilizations to form temporary alliances to mitigate the threat posed by the Sea Peoples.

Jack: When we put all of this together, we have the fact that everybody band together using to get rid of them, to get rid of them, to get rid of them. We know they disappeared. We don't know how they disappeared. It was. It's confusing to try to identify how they disappeared because there's many possibilities, many options. It's as weird and random. And we know that the shadow people have the stones because we know Jesus has to go to the shadow realm to get them. How did the. How did that happen? How'd they get there? Additionally, one pattern that seems to show up consistently in the Bible when you read it for what it is instead of what you're told to believe. It looks like the good people are always the shadow people. Lucifer wants to share, Lucifer wants to provide. And according to how the Christians identify the Bible, he's the bad guy. And the guy who's trying to keep the information from you and keep everything for himself is the good guy. That perfectly aligns with a bunch of people. Go to the shadow realm, develop technology, come over here, become people, and then help the human suppress the Elysians.

Cristina: Okay? And that's what they're doing now.

Jack: Still, that would be what's happening now. It is a prison that the Egyptians know about and the Americans know. Everybody kind of leaders, the secret society is fully aware of what's being kept there and they know that or they don't know. The fear is it's been thousands and thousands of years, but we've always kept it in this condition. We don't know what happens if we don't have it in this condition. We've kept them like this and it seems horrible to the outside world.

Cristina: They can reach out to their. The others.

Jack: The two groups that went. Well, this is the idea, right? That's the open air prison. We've got them suppressed, they have nothing. Those are the descendants of the people that most likely mix with other humans, thus continuing to and sort of diminishing that DNA. But that DNA still exists there almost exclusively in that area. Why do we keep them around? Probably for that feature. We are experimenting on them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because the other two groups went into hiding. We knew at the beginning they were hiding, but we're like, they're crazy strong. Why would they go into hiding? Well, if everybody you helped turned on you because you're kind of crooked and they have all your stuff because you gave it to them, well, now you go into hiding. We knew they were scared of something, but we're like, they're so strong. Maybe you just didn't want to deal with people. No, we were right the first time they went into hiding cuz the f****** planet turned on them. They were like, get the f***, you guys aren't taking over us. And so we just humaned on their a** and we're like, get the f*** out of here. And then the ones that couldn't get away ended up in Gaza and the other groups just split the f*** off to wherever they could go. It looks like three events happened the same three. One, did we kill them off? What the f***? Did Jesus kill them off? Is our idea.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Did they exit the system? Maybe those people just went north and then the ones that went into the ocean by Bimini. Well, all three possibilities might actually be the three options. And two of them involve hiding. One of them involves an open air prison.

Cristina: So they're not actual options. They're all existing.

Jack: They're all existing, okay? All of them happened. It was when you have a really, really old dirty house with a bunch of crappy nasty crap and you move a painting and all the cockroaches go everywhere. It's just wherever they go to hide.

Cristina: But now we are experimenting on them.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: What's for?

Jack: I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. But this even answers where Jesus comes into play. How Jesus joined the Jews. Man, Jesus was a Jew. Jesus was a Jew.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: He was siding. Even if narratively we try to warp.

Cristina: It with the shadow people. Shadow people, which. Yes, that would make sense.

Jack: And he has psychic powers. Yeah, and he would know how to get to the people.

Cristina: But why?

Jack: Well, think about it. Why were the Elysians always hiding to begin with? Because they're crooked. They were doing something wrong. And the moment that their location is advertised to the world, they go on a scramble the f*** out of there. And in that time they get attacked mid trip.

Cristina: Okay, well, I guess they are doing crooked things because the signs that they're doing, they don't care.

Jack: They don't care. Life doesn't matter. They feel they are gods.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Their creations revolted.

Cristina: Yeah. They murdered a bunch of us all the time.

Jack: Billions.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Jesus. Advertises their location. Holy f***. We gotta go. They do try and literally knowing where we all are in one shot is worse than trying to escape you out there. And some of us make it, which is literally what happened. Some of us made it, Some of us didn't.

Cristina: That's crazy. That's so crazy. That might be right. That's horrible. That's so horrible. I don't know.

Jack: And then Gaza is their ancestors. I know their ancestors. That's their descendants that we've kept in there with that gene that only existed in the neck of the Persian Gulf. Details that matter. People consistently fight over the waters at the Persian Gulf. Really important. The Tanker War was about that.

Cristina: So there's something unique about that water.

Jack: I don't know if there's something unique about that water. I think the tech is still there. And it's like people just don't let each other get far down enough. I think it's all way. I think the Middle east, let's break it down. What is Persia if not Iran, Afghanistan? These places we've always invaded, always attacked. All the western countries are always fighting over it. And then we have our pawn country in there, Israel. It's about the weapons, it's about getting the Elysian technology. Everybody's been fighting over Elysian technology since we got rid of the Aletians. It's always been that since that time the Middle east has never been stable following the fall of Persia. Never again. That's on record. The hands it's past has been dozens since then. Just leaders. Every couple of hundred years another leader. Quick, fast, no consistent ruling party. Because everybody's always being attacked. Always, usually around the neck of the Persian Gulf. And always absolutely nobody arguing what's happening in Palestine.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Weirdly enough, the fall of the Elysians and the rise of an indefinite war state and open air prison coincide. Also weird coincidence. Just throwing that out there, all of it. Lines Up. I think. I think that is exactly what happened. I think they didn't go anywhere. I think they were gonna keep experimenting. And eventually they f***** up with Jesus. And everybody knew where they were. And it wasn't even a thought. We just knew what to do. It's like we know. We know where they are. It's over. We can stop them. They run, we catch as many as.

Cristina: We can, and then. I don't know. And then we keep them. Yeah, prison.

Jack: We keep them there, but the others ran away. The idea is now they're not close enough and they're not prepared enough. They have to restart and rebuild with whatever they had. We get to catch up.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So now it's dangerous to come towards us. Now we got nuclear weaponry, and we've seen them for years. Show up in what? What do we know? That these ships come out of the water, fl. Fly over land. That sounds exactly like what we think it is. Spaceships and crap. UFOs and, like, they all fit the suit. They've been trying to stay out of distance and trying to stay invisible, but still trying to experiment simultaneously.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It became more secretive because they know.

Cristina: Because we know.

Jack: Because we know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And alien sightings so happen to coincide with this, why? Because chariots become saucers roughly around that time. Yeah.

Cristina: Makes sense. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. Yes, they are our aliens.

Jack: They are our aliens and our old gods, but yes. Yes, they are. And not even aliens, really. They're just weird. So we call them aliens. But they are from here.

Cristina: Yes, that's true. Yeah.

Jack: And we kind of broke off from the same thing.

Cristina: We were one, but they did something.

Jack: They went elsewhere. And without mixing and diluting it, the pure hardest, surviving in a small compact area, just kept evolving and pushing there. Only the one guy with the best genes, his kids would make it because he would beat the crap out of all the other men. And it's like, well, now his strongest kid kills all the other strong kids.

Cristina: But then they make us, too.

Jack: Yeah. Eventually there's the ones who started tampering with us. They really, really evolved over millions of years. And we slowly evolved, and then they started f****** with us. And then we started to catch up.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: And then the. The Singularity happened.

Cristina: Where?

Jack: Where their creations outsmarted them. We came for them.

Cristina: Okay? And that's what happened.

Jack: And that's what happened. The Singularity. The Elysian Singularity. We are the machines they made. The Elysian Singularity happened and we took over. And we took over. Now it's Our planet.

Cristina: Yes. And we still have some of them hostage.

Jack: And we still have some of them hostage. That we can prove that DNA only exists primarily there. Just a fact.

Cristina: That makes sense. Okay. And then we're just. We just want that water because of what's in it.

Jack: Yeah. There's something important down there. Whether it be tech. Or maybe their evolutionary process is because of something there that sped it up. Maybe the key to Asriel discovering immortality is along that water.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Who knows? Magnum opus was found there.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: There's something about it.

Cristina: Something there. Yeah. That's crazy.

Jack: The Gazans might be descendants of the Elysians. Human now, but with just enough trace DNA left that we don't trust it.

Cristina: Yes. That's so crazy. And the way they're just treated. But they're not even like them anymore. They don't have the weapons. They don't have.

Jack: They don't have any of it. None of it. None of it. They're just us now. Yeah, but still we're treating them like that.

Cristina: It must have been bad.

Jack: I mean, over a few millions of years of something else f****** with you. And definitely killing everything it wanted all the time for s**** and giggles with seemingly no goal. I guess you just kind of retaliate eventually.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It just happens. And that moment happened. Their singularity happened. It looks like everything kind of lines up with that. I think that is the conclusion.

Cristina: I think so. Yeah.

Jack: I think I just wrapped up all the questions.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Where they went, where they came back. What they were doing while they were there. Who the target was, the bad guy, who we thought was the good guy, who we knew was a bad guy to begin with and then got muddied and confused. They are also the ones who changed narratives. The Bible is controlled by them. They're the ones who told everybody the stories. They made deals with humans, as we know.

Cristina: Then they killed us a bunch of times.

Jack: Yeah. Church is humans that still side with them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the one. And brainwashed over years. Because that was the point. So they went into hiding and then got humans to continue brainwashing us so they can be complacent and they can do weird s*** for hundreds of years afterwards. Angels can still show up and talk to people and crap like that, you know.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, now what they get out of it? Do they believe it?

Jack: The people?

Cristina: Yeah. That's in.

Jack: They're all brainwashed into it. And just for the sake of them being able to manipulate and control the people and do things.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah. I think you figured it out.

Jack: I think I figured it out too. I think the Alicians are the ancestors of the Gaza people. People of Gaza.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: Palestinians. They're there after a crazy migration where they had to escape. It looks like there was a tremendous effort by everybody in the region to completely f*** these people. It looks like it happened within the one period of time that we know s*** hit the fan and they had to leave. And why did they have to leave? We were like, oh, maybe they just don't want. Well, no, now we have the answer to why that was an issue, that their location was advertised. It wasn't privacy. It was privacy, but that wasn't like, the main concern is we're gonna be.

Cristina: F****** murdered because of those things they were doing.

Jack: Because of things they were doing. And once their location's advertised, they. They scramble. It's not even. There's not even a plan. Send her f****** one way and we go the f****** other.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And still we caught them in the middle of it. And they got picked off. As many of them as we can. And those that we didn't pick off, we trapped. And the rest fled and disappeared.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Mass extinction.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And thus the. That strand of DNA. I don't even remember the name of that strand of DNA anymore. But that individual strand of DNA that isn't Neanderthal, or. Let me see if I can find the name of it. Okay. The J1 DNA strand just suddenly ceases. And it's because we have gone out of our way to kill that group of people. And all that survives is the E1B.1B.

Cristina: Because of what they did.

Jack: Because of what they did. It was their fault. We were the prisoners for always. Then we retaliated. And now those are the people of Gaza.

Cristina: Okay. Crazy story. It's a crazy story.

Jack: Now those aren't the same people that did it to us anymore.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: That DNA has been watered down. They don't have the technology, the intelligence, the ability of this.

Cristina: Yeah, Nothing like them, but, yeah, that's.

Jack: Pretty much what it is. I think I found the answer to everything or most of it.

Cristina: I think you did.

Jack: And I do think the dialogue, the way they communicate, explains these titles and names lasting for such crazy amounts of time. They literally developed language in isolation, like it wasn't language that evolved from any other language. They developed their method of communication away from other apes. They had a different language. And then other apes developed their other own language, independent of the Elysians original line. That's interesting. And this kind of reminds me of. There's a Brazilian ancient tribe that to this day can still. Instead of writing, they tell their stories and knots. And it's like. That's such a weird mind f*** to think that they're communicating like that.

Cristina: Yes, that is.

Jack: But that's a good example of how an entirely different communication path can look absolutely alien. We have to apply that to a group of apes that completely evolved in isolation, developed language and technology independent of anything we would develop later. And then we would add parts of their things to ours. So we have our ancient structures made of these stones and blah, blah, blah, and this thing and that thing. And then we have inside them weird scientific inscriptions and metallic tips and Tesla coils. And it's like, okay. Weird hybrid merger. This shouldn't make sense. It's all in front of us. It's always been in front of us. Everything. Everything fits into this narrative. Every part of it.

Cristina: It's weird. So Jesus helped us though.

Jack: Yes. Indirectly.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Jesus was just another step of more experimentation that was probably gonna go dark if it worked out. Could know what we're all thinking whenever we're thinking. It could be in our heads, literally. You were trying to imitate the power of Hermes.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, what if they were successful? What if they decided to do more than that?

Jack: Yeah. It's as we know it wasn't gonna stop.

Cristina: And why aren't there, like, why couldn't he make more of himself?

Jack: Jesus?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't think he wanted to.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They immediately disowned his a**.

Cristina: Why would he help them out of his own curiosities?

Jack: I guess he could easily do whatever he seems like he's born as Op. As Hermes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's like there was no real obstacle. And just his birth was enough to screw over the Elysians indefinitely.

Cristina: I guess. Yeah.

Jack: And then that would just mean that we take these things as interpretation or we take them as literal. And in either one of these two meanings, it looks like everybody was referring to this random group of people who showed up and were, quote, human unquote, but weren't like other humans. They weren't there before. They just popped up. They came from the other side. And then now they're here just like us. Totally. And we're not going to address it.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: And we indefinitely always side with Israel regardless of what weird dark things they do. Regardless of what's happening. Weird. Weird. But maybe they have a different type of morality that we understand is for the good, but they can do it in a way that they don't care how it looks. And so it looks like we're the crazy ones, always siding with them. But our leaders are aware that like. No, they're doing what they gotta.

Cristina: That's crazy. I guess.

Jack: You see, it's really strange, but it. There's a picture here that's kind of clear after we get those little bits of detail from history.

Cristina: Yeah. So that makes us good guys.

Jack: Makes us the good guys. It makes. We still kill each other. But we rather that. Think about it.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: That's all it is. Yeah, we still kill each other. We're not the good guys. There's no good guy. But no, we rather that. And to be honest, if we look at the alternative. What is the alternative? The alternative is that you are experimented on and you are an animal forever.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. No, f*** that.

Cristina: No, f*** that.

Jack: The singularity happened.

Cristina: And I guess.

Jack: And it's gonna happen to us eventually. It will happen to us. The machines will do it. And maybe the machines is a step now, but we know we're gonna make them look more human and we're gonna make them behave more human. We're gonna give them internal things that are gonna work almost identical to humans, but they're gonna work off of a fuel we can create very easily. And then we're gonna die off. And then that's gonna take over the world. And then they're gonna forget where they came from. And then the cycle is gonna keep repeating. The singularity is gonna happen to them.

Cristina: Of course. That's cool.

Jack: That's what I found.

Cristina: That is ridiculous.

Jack: I guess. I don't know. We know where they are. We know what their DNA is. There's two locations. Yeah, that they could also be.

Cristina: But we sort of know about those locations.

Jack: We know about those locations. We can't access them. But it ain't like they're coming out anytime soon.

Cristina: That's so crazy.

Jack: Okay, so they're sort of in prison there too. A prison they control and they make. Okay, but they ain't leaving there. The time it took them to get ready to recover.

Cristina: The time it took them to swim in space.

Jack: Yeah, because we know that their closest allies dipped too. Because their closest allies were helping them. The Egyptian gods. The. Not the Egyptians God. The sun gods, the earth gods. The. What is sun gods? Earth gods.

Cristina: No, Earth.

Jack: Yeah, it's the earth gods. And the sun gods.

Cristina: Moon. No, we weren't helping.

Jack: Those are the shadow people.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: And the Garden of Eden. Like all these people dipped all of them. Because they were equally guilty. Those were humans that were with the Aletians. And we know by their own records that they also had weird, massive evacuations at the same f****** time.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: The world turned on the Aletians and everybody who was with them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Cause them.

Cristina: Yes, that makes sense.

Jack: That's makes sense.

Cristina: And they all left. Yep.

Jack: They went up, they went down, they went in, they went out, but they got the out. That's all that matters.

Cristina: Yes. Cool.

Jack: Because we weren't having it. It was done. The singularity happened, and now humans rule.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Fire.

Cristina: I guess. So we win in the end.

Jack: We win in the end. There is no good guys amongst ourselves. But us versus them were the good guys. And they are still fighting with manipulation of the minds of some of us. But they're not really winning. It's small potatoes. You guys aren't powerful the way you used to be unless they've devolved into doing it through the political structure. And they are the shady person in the other end. They are the top of the pyramid, through politics, through power, through money. At the very, very top, the guy the President talks to, his boss goes.

Cristina: To because of what's happening to cause. Because they wouldn't let that happen.

Jack: They wouldn't let that happen. So it's not them, then.

Cristina: Yeah, it couldn't be.

Jack: Yeah, it's.

Cristina: And if it is them, then that wouldn't. That's more questions of, like, why.

Jack: Yeah. No, it wouldn't even make sense. It wouldn't even make sense.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: I think we solved it. They're definitely gone. They're suppressed. And there's no way we have their technology. There are people left and they abandoned so quick. We still got a hold of some of their. And then our technological explosion happens because we got a hold of the they left behind, see? And here we are. Now, you can't f*** with us. You don't have it. You have to evacuate. And you took some of it, but we had a bunch of it too. And there's way more of us than there's ever been of you.

Cristina: Mm. But we need more of it. That's what we're looking.

Jack: And we are always looking for more of it. Because also, it's how we settle s*** between each other. We know that everybody's working on crazy advanced technologies in secret, and we know that we've acquired weird technologies that we have a found. It's also to keep each other in check. But also, regardless of how much we're keeping each other in check, we know there's that other thing we want to keep in check always. And that's why you'll see enemies sometimes just side together because, well, this matters more than the possibilities. It kind of answers everything that has ever happened.

Cristina: Yes. That's crazy. I think you did do it. I don't know. Like, where could we go?

Jack: I don't know where we could go either. This sort of answers everything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And there's just. Hermes is a side character. He's not really important to the bigger picture. He's just there and probably gave the idea that led to the creation of Jesus that ultimately f***** everybody over. But, like, thank you, Hermes.

Cristina: I guess.

Jack: But it's also that he's neutral. Right. He doesn't give a s*** about anything.

Cristina: I think they all are, though, in a way.

Jack: All the necromancers. Right.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Nothing matters to them. And so in return, it, like, yeah, I'll tell you the answer, but then it totally collapsed and probably knew it was going to collapse, but whatever you want to know.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Anyways. Anyways, that's what you got, guys. That's. I think. I think it's wrapped. I think that was it.

Cristina: The end of. What are we calling this?

Jack: The Elysian Saga.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Weird.

Cristina: That's so crazy. It's over.

Jack: Yeah. Two years.

Cristina: Two years. But we got a complete story.

Jack: We got a complete story. We found it. We didn't know what we were looking for, but we found it.

Cristina: We found it. Yeah. Awesome.

Jack: So please tell us. Tell us anything you missed based on the information we provided. There's a lot to unpack, or what we missed. There's a lot to look at. You could look at all of this online. Sources are everywhere on this. You can. Maybe I'll just put the whole conversation up. I don't even know. They can see all of it anyways. You guys can hit us up and talk to us. Do that on. Just convopod on TikTok, Instagram, on Twitter, on Facebook.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate, and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And word of mouth, tell everybody this show is existing and that we solved exactly what's happening in the Middle east right now.

Cristina: We did it. No, I don't know. We didn't really do it.

Jack: No, we didn't solve it. We just explained it. Yeah, we explained it.

Cristina: Are we gonna solve it? That's next episode. We're gonna solve it.

Jack: We're gonna solve the war on Gaza.

Cristina: No. Okay. And this has been the Rambling Podcast. Take Nothing personal. Thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: Foreign. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor, and published by greatthoughts.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

May 11, 2024

Rambling 273: Looking for Questions

May 11, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

With so many doors left to open, what is left to discover? The duo continue their unhinged speculation on the existing information with hopes of opening even more doors to continue investigation through. And like last time, the doors want to be opened!!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Elysians
Jesus Christ
Yaldabaoth
Necromancers
Elves
Hermes
Merlin
Queen Mab

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And you and I, for the last however many episodes, I've been going down an infinite rabbit hole that doesn't seem to have an ending. And last week, you and I decided to look at it differently. And instead of looking for new information, we would just, without even looking at the notes, talk about what we know and extrapolate new angles to approach. Great idea.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It led to a lot of places. In fact, I found a couple of interesting things that are great, but I would like to, instead of going over that stuff, do this process again and continue to pick at whatever we haven't addressed so that there's more direction to go. And if we hit a wall, I have in front of me the beginning of what we've already found.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah. It's a specific story which will spiral into infinity, into. We have no more time. So that's perfectly fine. So I would like to just dive into what we do know, what we didn't talk about, whatever we didn't address last time.

Cristina: Where did we stop?

Jack: Well, we talked a little bit of everything. I remember we addressed Hermes. We talked about the Elysians. We were trying to figure out, like, what's the ultimate goal. They're trying to go down, not up, possibly. That seemed to be kind of like the culmination of everything was kind of focusing on that idea. Yeah, but there's a lot of parts here that we don't understand who they are or what their purpose is within the bigger scheme of things.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We think of, like, MAB programmer, but purely programmer. Why do we know about you at all? Why do we, you know, the interaction relative to mabs somehow. Why, you know, that's a good question. I don't know things like that. There's this curious kind of, like, easy to miss because it's something they wouldn't even have thought about bringing up. That is filler information for them because they contextually know it. But we don't have context. We only have the writing that. That is our 100% context. So what? The context that existed for them that they thought was irrelevant because it was just casual knowledge to us, needs to be written, and they didn't. So we have to extrapolate it. Right. And then that would guide us to the sentences that kind of indirectly together. Tell us the narrative on map or anything. On anything.

Cristina: Because I know. What do we know about map? I don't know.

Jack: We don't know crap about map. But the problem is we also don't have angles to go find things on mab. Yeah, if we had angles, which presumably is what we would be achieving here. If we had angles, if we found some thought we could follow, then that would take us there.

Cristina: I have no idea how to think of something that connects to her besides like she made everything. That's all we know. Yeah, there's no characters or anything. Not characters, but like people related to her that exists here.

Jack: The characters that exist here that she. Elves that gets sent to. But I don't even know how that works.

Cristina: No.

Jack: You know, I have no idea how elves fit into the bigger scheme of things other than they stop civilizations from getting too powerful.

Cristina: Is that even true? Is that even true? Like who have they tried that with?

Jack: We would need examples. Right, because that's what they say. But then what is the example?

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So you can't just tell us this is their purpose and then not have a single example.

Cristina: So unless they're the reasons why. When. What was it Lucifer was trying to give other countries?

Jack: Oh, you see, this is what we need to speculate on. So your theory would be that if somehow we could find an event that fit their work, perhaps these other civilized. But no, they would be whack or lower grade civilizations.

Cristina: The ones that fail that we know that they are.

Jack: That's what I mean. They would be keeping in check the ones who aren't failing.

Cristina: But I don't know if they're keeping track of anything. As far as I can tell, they're not doing anything.

Jack: Unless. Unless you're thinking of this the wrong way. All of the structures along the Weird fact. Weird fact. I don't know how the h*** we didn't come across this before I read this. I remember reading this. This was in the notes and we briefly actually talked about this, but we didn't think about it. I guess all of the structures on the old equator although built at random different times. None of the civilizations that built them were around the old equator. They traveled to build the thing.

Cristina: I don't understand what.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. All of the old. The objects on the old equator aren't from like the people who made it, brought the things there from wherever. Each group of people, every instance, almost every instance, in a few rare instances, they actually already lived within the proximity and then they just built it within them. But the Others migrated the things and built the thing, meaning the thing we find. Their structure we find on the old equator is way newer than their civilization as a whole. So we see this building that looks like. Well, can't, because this was just kind of recently made as opposed to, like, these civilizations. It doesn't look advanced. That's an ancient crappy building. It doesn't have the sophistication of the ones we know went further. Maybe they have always been being kept in check. And when we hear about 300 years ago from Beast. From the time of Jesus, 300 years back, weirdly enough, they kind of show up around the time of Alexander the Great and the. Oh, my God.

Cristina: I don't see anything.

Jack: No, look, okay. Dates matter here.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Weird things that have just happened in my mind. We know that the elves show up around 300 BC. That's preemptively right before Jesus. Right. They knew something was kind of up.

Cristina: Okay, but we were.

Jack: When we shared that information, we were too focused on Jesus and we lacked a lot of information because of the next sentence. 300 years ago was Alexander the Great time. 300 years ago from the time of Jesus. Specifically, we're always looking back. I'm saying 300 years back from Jesus. 300 years BC if I'm Jesus. Okay, so 300 years back from me, Jesus, Hermes was walking around the school where Aristotle. Okay, that literally coincides with. With the mention we're aware of of the elves.

Cristina: How does that relate?

Jack: Because Hermes, the op necromancer, who can do a bunch of crap, presumably is now at this time teaching Alexander, even if he's a flunky. And then we get elves. Elves were there because Hermes was teaching somebody who potentially could have.

Cristina: Elves popped up because of Hermes.

Jack: Well, they show up at the same time. We're theorizing. I don't know. This is all speculation, but, like, because.

Cristina: They sort of knew someone.

Jack: Yeah. Something was about to happen. They saw something because Hermes. The mention of Hermes we get is 300 years bc and then the mention of elves we get is 300 years bc coincidence. Could totally be. Again, we're just throwing information in random directions now. We all.

Cristina: We already know when exactly they got here and what exactly they're looking at.

Jack: Yeah, we don't know exactly. Exactly. I think it's possible that it doesn't make sense that she would just create this troop suddenly.

Cristina: Mm. There had to be a reason for it.

Jack: Yeah. Unless they've always existed. And this is just the first mention we have proof of. Do you get my Point like maybe there's further back mentions of fairies being deployed. The problem is getting anything from Elfame is hard. We usually it's written by somebody from the shadow realm who is in earthrealm. The odds of it.

Cristina: That's tricky. Mm.

Jack: Mm. How many Hermes do we have? One problem. There's few people who have the no to tell me something from the other side.

Cristina: So you think she was interested in Hermes or people like Hermes?

Jack: I don't think she was interested. I think that's the fear.

Cristina: That's the fear of the fairies.

Jack: Especially if that is in fact just another layer. If Mab, as the quote, programmer, unquote, is herself within another layer of the quote, program, unquote, then her biggest issue would be any of us who could figure that s*** out.

Cristina: It's the AI becoming sentient, taking over 100%.

Jack: And in the case that she is also a layer instead of base reality, us getting out is horrifying because that just means we're really just there.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We don't. I don't need to enter physical space. You're just another part of the program. I could get to you physically. And if I know that, and I know how to migrate from my side to yours potentially, I know how to control the physical structure of your side because I had to to get there. Oh, that's a problem. That's literally what a necromancer does.

Cristina: Yes, that's exactly.

Jack: Oh, s***.

Cristina: I can see them being a problem.

Jack: Yeah, I can see that being a true issue. Yes. Yep. So that's definitely a thing. It looks like a necromancer could definitely be an issue. Specially special. Especially. Especially. Especially in the case of Map just being another layer. Yes, because then you'd be f*****.

Cristina: I don't know. I mean, I guess it makes sense because we were worried about the same thing.

Jack: The argument would be that even if she's within a layer, everything within her layer was made of the technology she uses. And if the technology she uses learns how to manip. How to escape, then it can control all the other technologies because presumably they're used within the same sophistication.

Cristina: But.

Jack: Or like, you know, so it could just. It would be. It would be apocalyptic, realistically speaking. So while we were thinking G. I mean, Jesus himself could be that too.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because of the human factor that seems necessary to accomplish necromance.

Cristina: I still don't understand why the. Because shadow people cannot do that. But they are closer or they're not. There's.

Jack: I don't understand. I don't. I Don't get it either. There's something weird there, something interesting about Elfame that is different. And I would. And I've tried different, like, analogies in my head. If you think of, like, how difficult it would be to try to send your friend a message from, like, WhatsApp to Facebook, even if they're literally within the same ecosystem, minus the fact that they added that feature recently.

Cristina: How do you do that?

Jack: Yeah, how do you. It's the same thing.

Cristina: How about Facebook and Twitter?

Jack: Facebook and Twitter, a better example. Yeah, same idea. They're both on the Internet.

Cristina: But how do you get a message?

Jack: How do you get a message across from one side to another? It's probably a realistic way to do it, but it's probably really tricky and has a ridiculous number of steps you got to do. But if you did it enough, you would eventually learn shortcuts from what is already there and understand why this works with that and be able to, oh, middleman that s*** out of the way.

Cristina: Just get from any website, from a.

Jack: Website to send a message to any website from any other website. Weird, right? Seems wrong, but it should be possible. You should be able to send an inbox from Facebook to Twitter. And I bet somebody can. I bet somebody out of boredom figured out the nuance of getting a Facebook message on Facebook to register on Twitter just for s**** and giggles and to see if they can, because it's probably not that hard.

Cristina: It sounds really complicated.

Jack: Well, it could be really annoying. It could be like you have to install something on or not even install something. So you send a message with something encrypted in the message that's being read off of the computer or something, and then you have the receiving encryption or. I don't even know, because what, you'd send the message through Facebook. The message would be registered through the Facebook algorithm. Then you'd have to hack the idea. Have to hack Facebook in order to then get the message. You'd have to hack both and just create a link, essentially. Man, I wonder if somebody could figure this out. Is there any listener we have that can figure out how to legitimately send a inbox from Facebook and make it land on Twitter and it be a logical set of steps. That would be amazing. I'm sure it's possible, although incredibly complicated, because ultimately what a website is, is a bunch of walls around the Internet.

Cristina: Yes. You think that's how this is though, too?

Jack: I think that's exactly how this is. I think it's just a bunch of walls around the Internet now there's more Internet outside of the walls, but this is just a bunch of walls and there are many series of walls. It's flat earth. There's the idea of flat earth. Oh, we're in. Encapsulated in this ice wall. But there's more Earth outside the ice wall.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's the ultimate reality. Or it seems to be.

Cristina: It seems to be.

Jack: Seems to be the case. Which weirdly enough, I guess that kind of fits with what Flat Earth is saying. But weirdly enough, that kind of fits with what science says. When you consider the fact that we're like our observable universe. Well, there might be more outside of that. That's just the barrier that we have. And it's not like a real barrier that we can't cross, but as opposed to the walls around us at the moment, based on the rules that make what we're at.

Cristina: I don't know. Like she. But are they trying to do that where they're at? I guess as fairy people. Can they go up to whatever the reality is?

Jack: I mean, the argument would be that as above, so below is accurate as f***. Everybody's trying the same s***. Maybe.

Cristina: But why is it so complicated for the shadow people to do it but not for a human to do it?

Jack: I don't know that part. I have no idea. That's weird, right? Unless there's something specific about the shadow realm. Maybe that is itself an old program, as opposed to earthrealm, which is just a newer, more sophisticated program, so it's easier. And then the case of Yaldabaoth is he's trying to kind of figure out how to do it. The sophisticated program is doing. So it's a case of this dark ancient thing that wants to escape into the new world.

Cristina: Probably has escaped and I don't know. I wish we knew something. But is he still there? I don't think so.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Unless that's not the goal. That's. The goal isn't to go out.

Jack: Unless the goal isn't to go out. I don't know.

Cristina: I don't know. Because with. When it comes to Hermes, it doesn't seem like that's the only goal. That may be a goal. It's not the goal.

Jack: What would you say are. What would you say seems like another.

Cristina: Goal besides making your own place?

Jack: Yeah. Do you think his. Yeah, I guess it does kind of make sense. The goal would be to like.

Cristina: I think it would be everything.

Jack: But no. Yeah, it's because I think you're right. It's like sure, go up. Whatever dude. But like maybe it is harder to go down. Look at it like this. As far as space is, it's even easier to look in that direction than it is to look down. Yes, you see the problem? It immediately becomes so complicated when we get small. Far, fine. Big fine, it has a cutoff point. But fine, it's just reaching it. Distance is the issue. But far. And big, not a problem. But small, regardless of how close you can get, so small you make it impossible to understand. And in order to build a universe, it's not about going out into an existing s***** thing. It's about understanding how the f*** small works. Which weirdly enough, I would argue we see an expert at it. Even if he's not a boss at a bunch of other s***. He is. He has a clever plan in motion and he seems to understand particle science really hard. Who are you talking about, Nicholas?

Cristina: Because he can, Santa.

Jack: He can turn himself into some sort of non physical form form actively in physical space. That is understanding and actively violating what we consider to be the rules. But according to the Hermetica and the seven hermetic principles is absolutely fair within it. And weirdly enough, the quantum theory suggests that that kind of works too. We should be able to build technology that allows us to become or to teleport. That is not wrong. It's not against science. It does fit within.

Cristina: We can do it.

Jack: Yeah. Science says that functions and that that works.

Cristina: Do you think he can do it?

Jack: I think he gets it really well. I think he understands it really well.

Cristina: Mm

Jack: He could turn into a cloud.

Cristina: He could turn into a cloud. I don't remember.

Jack: But he could like go down the chimney. Which presumably means he's not really going down the chimney.

Cristina: But we have no hint to what his actual goals are.

Jack: He doesn't seem like he has a goal. It looks like that guy's just like living the life chillin.

Cristina: But is there something else again?

Jack: Yeah, exactly.

Cristina: Like there has to be. Like there has to be. Who just that's filling fulfilling for them for the whole. Their whole life is just giving children presents.

Jack: That Naga that went and settled in Australia just for s**** and giggles and to call itself a God.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like it happens once in a while.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They just go and do nothing. Like he wins. Everybody knows who the f*** he is, I guess.

Cristina: But why isn't he like the others that are all so science y?

Jack: Because there has to be a little of everything and we're just focusing on those.

Jack: There's probably a Crap ton of stories unrelated to. Actually, interesting enough, there's probably a crap ton of stories unrelated to any of this. Now that we have the eyes to go find just weird side narratives that don't matter within the actual realm of what we're talking about.

Cristina: Look for what type of side stories?

Jack: Just random unrelated characters that have no consequence in the bigger overall picture. That still there's things about that now we know how to. Now we know how to undo translation errors. We know how to look backwards in time and find original text and then make them the original intended. Not just word, but the meaning behind the word based on what the person who wrote its original language is. Think about that. If your native language is Greek, then regardless of what language you wrote it in, imma find out what you think that word means in Greek, and then that informs me on what you are most likely to think you mean when you turn it into Latin. Even if you turn it into Latin and it was the first time you wrote it in Latin, knowing what language you spoke first tells me a lot about how you'd think of the word you're putting there for the context.

Cristina: Complicated.

Jack: Exactly. But now we have all these tools and we can do that. And because of that, I can find random s*** that doesn't have any consequence. But now we can enter the. You know, the filler episodes of Supernatural that sometimes turn out to be the best ones when it's like, oh, man, they're just hunting vampires today. And that's cool. And it's like, I missed these. It was like, all apocalyptic for, like, three seasons straight. And now we're just chasing a werewolf or a ghost. Cool, man. Like the good old days.

Cristina: Some side character does the actual important thing of the. Yeah, my story's still happening. It's just. They're not involved in it.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, like, Bobby calls him up and is. I got the lead.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: At the end of the episode. Or it was Bobby. Or Castiel shows up and like, yo, I got the information.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: You guys. You guys did the thing you were doing. Cool. Okay. This is the next step. And it's like, yeah, okay. We could jump into that part of our lives now where we, like, go hunt these side stories of dumb s***.

Cristina: Okay. Until someone comes with the envelope that's like, here's the important lead.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Because think about it. We already have enough tools to really. We can even revisit some things with really informed eyes and look at something like werewolves. We could actually find the mentions of actual werewolves. Wet chudges and Wendigo's across the board that exists. And what's the other one? Lycan, that all exist and aren't even under any of those names. Because we would know exactly what their behavior would be like, what the conditions for them to be around would be. We could track anything down at this point. We're experts in this weird esoteric.

Cristina: Okay, but what would be revisiting? We'd be revisiting these things to learn more information.

Jack: We can. It could definitely inform us in a lot. Especially considering the path of a lot of these stories that we originally went on, these ventures with came from, like, everyday narratives and news articles that were reporting on these events and the characteristics of them. Think of the Countess that literally was just. She was literally just getting adrenochrome, just milking adrenochrome from a bunch of young girls. She would hire 15 year olds to be her maids and then kill them and bathe in her blood and drink it and cover herself in it. And just like, she f****** knew. But now we gotta ask, where'd the Countess get her information? Is it like, we know elites, but why do elites come across it? What information source are they connected to?

Cristina: How could we find that, though?

Jack: How could we find that? You know, those are the paths we should be finding.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There are roads for days. We are armed like no one.

Cristina: Mm. I think we could do that.

Jack: Mm. For days. For days. There's anywhere we could go? We can make this current as f***. We have too many tools. We can't be tricked anymore.

Cristina: I would love to do vampires, though.

Jack: Be interesting to find some vampires.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. No, werewolves are actually better. Never mind. Their stories are so wild. Like, we have to make them make sense. It's just too wild.

Jack: Yeah. And here's really weird fact, right? Because the origination of a man becoming a werewolf, like, a werewolf is not a werewolf, man. Not the way that we put it in movies and s***.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Like, it's not a dude. A dude doesn't become a wolf. That's not how it works.

Cristina: Well, sometimes with wolf clothing.

Jack: Yes. But that's exactly my point, because that leads into. We had a whole episode about this where we were talking about the mythology of werewolves and the fact that it originally was just people, ignorant people watching tribal behavior and not understanding what was happening. And it's like they're covered in the fur because it gets f****** cold, bro. And, like, they probably killed the wolf to stay alive. And, like, they're not gonna waste it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So they have that and Then you attack one of theirs. And then one of these guys comes and attacks you. Chases you through the woods. He's making crazy noises behind you. Because they're used to making crazy noises to scare people these times. You make it through the woods, you swear to God you were being chased by a half man, half wolf. But he was just wearing a wolf. And that's not normal to you.

Cristina: You should do that.

Jack: We can revisit so many things and with all hopes I can inform more. Just continue to deep dive into this weird world. I love those episodes. Really pack unpacking things. But I'm sure there's way more things too. I'm curious to see what creatures we can find that are connected to mentions of Elfame.

Cristina: That would be interesting.

Jack: Yeah. They aren't normally along the lines of traditional fairies, but still within the definitions we found and the other ways we found that people refer to Alfame because.

Cristina: We'Ve done some research on fairies and types of fairies.

Jack: But it's also like the common seemed.

Cristina: Related, but maybe they are related. I just don't know.

Jack: Yeah, they seem like random one off things, right?

Cristina: Yeah. And zombies.

Jack: Zombies.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. But those are states of humans. Because a zombie is just a human who stopped taking adrenochrome.

Cristina: I guess there's nothing really there.

Jack: Yeah. And then we used to think people would become jinn on the other side. But then we found out jinn are just jinn on the other side. Jinnah's have always. They're just people.

Cristina: They're those people.

Jack: Yes. What the f***? I actually don't know what the h*** happened to a human on the other side. I guess that's a ghost actually.

Cristina: Ghost? I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, that's actually the ghost, right. A spirit. As far as we know. It's like this person that goes to the other side and is a twisted. Well there's two versions of it. I guess what we call a demon.

Cristina: But with necromancers they can time travel.

Jack: That's weird, right? Because it doesn't seem to. I don't see a specific mention of time travel. As opposed to the ability to completely halt or slow down time until it seems like a halt.

Cristina: Well like what example would that like I need an example of that. That doesn't sound like anything.

Jack: St. Nicholas and his way of moving through physically the entire planet is described as an activity that he is actively moving from place to place. But successfully accomplishing it and visiting millions of houses.

Cristina: That's not travel. Time traveling though I would I mean.

Jack: We'Re always time traveling.

Cristina: He's.

Jack: The argument here is he's slowing time down or moving way quicker.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So, like, he's not leaping forward in time at his speed. He's still experiencing every moment in time. Still. He didn't exit experiencing time and re. Enter continuity somewhere else. Which would be time travel. In my eyes. My eyes is in time travel is. I stand here.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And I will change the continuity around me. I'm leaving physical space to move time and then reentering at a different point in time. Even if in the same point in space, a different point in time. I was not present while change occurred. While he is not doing that, he is present while change is occurring. He's just moving either so fast he's not perceiving change or time is paused so there's no change to perceive. But still he's within the space where he would perceive the time if time was moving forward as opposed to exiting. And then time moves and then you re. Enter. I don't think he time travels.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think the closest thing to that is slowing down time. I guess so.

Cristina: Then none of them would have that power.

Jack: We don't. Okay. The Merlin gets mucky. I know that. Definitely not Patrick. Santa. We have that example. And for Merlin we have a weird one. Because it's unclear whether he has the ability to at least send messages back in time to alter this existing narrative for a guy who already exists. Or if through some means he's continuously altering Arthur's perception of reality. Which is possible considering his entire structure was to be manipulated because of what he is though. Exactly. So it's complicated to tell do that to us.

Cristina: Maybe.

Jack: Unless he was reaching back in time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If he's read that. That's the problem. Because Arthur was particularly designed to be manipulated. The stories Arthur told seeming continuous and coherent could just be brainwashing. And don't need to include him traveling back in time and altering it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: For it to stay consistent. Because he just needs to convince Arthur and anybody who's receiving the story that's it. So it's kind of easy as long as that idiot. Just like. Because his whole point is he's dumb and he's gonna believe it. That's the whole point.

Cristina: Yeah. Man. I wish we had more fairy stories because that did end up relating to a fairy.

Jack: We found lady of the Lake.

Cristina: Yes. But there's gotta be more like her.

Jack: There's gotta be more like her. She's just chilling down here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like, she easily dealt with the issue.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that's interesting. There are instances of even necromancers getting handled. That's interesting. Wait a minute. We forget this, but he's not an op necromancer. I would say he's bottom tier. And that Hermes is the. He's the business, right?

Cristina: Hermes is the business.

Jack: He's. He's the top dog.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: I mean, Process is named after him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So he's the granddaddy. And like Merlin's just whack.

Cristina: Well, we don't know if he really died. Died in the story. He's dead.

Jack: Yes. But also, he could have just dipped. It could have just been like this. S***. I don't know.

Cristina: Yeah, I think so. But there's got to be more stories like that. Yeah. How we stumbled upon that. Oh, because of the weapon. I think it was mostly because it.

Jack: Was because of the weapon we landed at him. Because of the fragrant.

Cristina: Yes, but we gotta find more fairies like that.

Jack: And additionally, fairy weapons will always lead us to the fairy that made them. Bam.

Cristina: But you already looked at all the fairy weapons or you just looked at a few fairy weapons.

Jack: We looked at a few. Few fairy weapons. There's probably many, many insignia. I looked at fairy weapons that I could cross reference with the events that we needed. But there are many other fairy weapons that aren't related to anything which would still at least link us to a fairy. If you wanted fairy stories like this, perhaps you could find fairies, even if they're not related. Like the lady of the Lake and Merlin are a circumstance that's almost unrelated to anything else. Just a standing circumstance. Minus the fact that Merlin seems to fit the bill for necromancer.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And minus the fact that these individuals still had connections to Patrick and Mananan.

Cristina: That was weird. Like they can all end up like that. We have no idea until we actually look them up.

Jack: Yeah, exactly.

Cristina: It might be random. They might at first glance look random.

Jack: I mean, bro, it happened with the Mayans. We were just casually looking at the Mayans and found the Egyptian texts we were already looking for. I mean, we'd already found. We found the Egyptian text we'd already found in Maya. Like that's weird.

Cristina: About the sea people.

Jack: About the sea people. Which is a slur. The Elysians.

Cristina: Oh, yes, the Elysians. I don't know how to say their name. I don't know.

Jack: Or the Atlanteans.

Cristina: Okay, the Atlanteans. Yes.

Jack: Yeah, it works.

Cristina: Let's do that.

Jack: Because the sea people is the slur that the Greeks would call the Atlanteans stupid sea people. Fish, you dumb fish looking mother.

Cristina: I wish we could find those slurs. If there's like something like that out.

Jack: There, I bet there's more. If sea people exist and as a name, then for sure there was more. Yeah, it sounds so dumb to us sea people, but like, I bet it was like a crazy f*** you in that time, right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Like this scummy piece of s***. You know, some s*** like that. Like some. Like calling somebody a c****, you know, it's probably something. It was offensive like that. And we're like, sea people. And they were like, oh, my God, Mom. I was walking to school today and they call me a C person.

Cristina: I wish you can actually know what their life was, what their normal life is like.

Jack: It's crazy. We got nothing from inside that s***. We had nothing from inside. I to this. I would argue that's actually way more secretive than Hermes. The inside of an Elysian stronghold.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I got nothing. We've never, not once. Everything has been written by somebody from the outside.

Cristina: There's gotta be something. I don't know. That's something.

Jack: That's something to look at for sure.

Cristina: If possible. Maybe not their main location, but they have other locations. They have to, I think.

Jack: I mean, we did find one. They already proved the capacity to move, at least within the time span of a year. An entire civilization. So definitely they can build homes quickly. Unless that project was under construction for a long time and this was just time to execute it. That's interesting. That could have been being developed for God knows how long. And they were like, this is the time. Whether done or not, where.

Cristina: And how would they have known that? They're predicting him before.

Jack: No, maybe it was just being built. Maybe they were just building another place and they're like, f***, that was going to be for us to spread out. But like, f***, this place.

Cristina: Now we got to go.

Jack: Yeah, we'll be cramped over there. And maybe they just keep expanding from down there. The place allows them to expand way more than being underneath the Persian Gulf oasis.

Cristina: Yeah, but how hard is building under there?

Jack: Presumably with the level of their technology, incredibly easily, I guess. But that being said again, they do have at least where Mananan was settled and then the home they were building on the neighboring island while they stayed there. So that's two different locations that they were at least spread to. Even if they abandoned one and gave it back to the people they went to the other place. That's a second for a fact. Entire Establishment that they at least had. I don't know if they have especially because it can't be seen as a literal description of it. That they cloaked the out of it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which like this is million thing that they've proven to be able to cloak.

Cristina: They're cloaking.

Jack: Weird, right? Any mention of the Elysians by any group of people for long enough time leads us back to they cloaked something. And it doesn't matter. We found it through the Celtics, we found it through the Christian, we found it through the Greek. They all agree these people legitimately had stealth technology. They hit a mountain. The Indian said that.

Cristina: Can we learn how? What exactly is this cloaking and technology?

Jack: Interesting, right? Because it's definitely. Everybody's like, bro, they made the thing disappear. And it's like, okay, you guys said that but okay, we've heard this before but d***. You guys also said that and you guys didn't even know these over here. And you guys are on the other side of Earth. There's no way you guys knew anybody.

Cristina: No. And everyone says that.

Jack: Yeah. But all you guys are like, no, they may this they roll up and just make vanish. It's like, whoa, how. And I'm sure, I am sure that now thinking about it, there's a bunch of mentions of gods taking people to heaven or to h*** directly, even if they don't die. And there's mentions of abductions. Abductions which all fit the f****** s*** going in.

Cristina: Wait for that. I've been waiting. There has to be. I don't know how it relates. I don't know what they'd want with us. But they have to.

Jack: They have to. I mean, they've always been experimenting with us.

Cristina: Exactly. Yes.

Jack: Why would it change now?

Cristina: But what would. Like we don't have any idea of why or what they're doing. Like anything anyone said has been wrong because they don't understand what they're. They want.

Jack: I mean, yeah, nobody comes back with information relative to that. It's really weird.

Cristina: I don't think so. I don't think they have any idea. They just make things up because like what can you do?

Jack: Yeah, it's theories. It's theories with nothing solid. But this definitely looks like it's possible of. It's a possibility that this link somehow to abductions because just things going missing that's mentioned almost by everybody who discusses. But the problem is, to be fair, not one of these mentions was of a person. Every single one was of a structure of exaggerated proportion.

Cristina: Oh yeah.

Jack: I guess like nothing Was a person. It was their people.

Cristina: Their people disappeared.

Jack: Fair. And so did they.

Cristina: Knew they were there in the sea, and then boom. They're not in the sea anymore.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. They evacuate and there's remnants of where they were, but without a trace. Somehow all of them left. Yeah. And that's interesting. How did they all leave and not get seen or followed? That's a really interesting point. Because we're like, okay, you guys took a year and you guys all moved. But okay, even if you guys have flying technology or whatever, the f***, nobody sees you. No.

Cristina: How.

Jack: How you traveled from where the f*** to where the f*** and nobody saw you.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Oh, s***. That's crazy. Yeah, 100%. The entire time you were over land. Somebody must have seen. On the flip side, maybe people have seen it. We can find. Well, we saw bunch of people fly by.

Cristina: Or that'd be a crazy story. We have to find it. If that's the thing. Gotta find it.

Jack: Just need to find somewhere in the Middle East a story of a bunch of people shooting across the sky or a bunch of gods shooting across the sky or something. Relative to that, I hope so, you know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: That is interesting. If that Moses story was based on that.

Jack: Him spreading the water.

Cristina: Yeah. Like maybe that's what they saw.

Jack: But nobody went invisible there.

Cristina: No, but they left. They would cross the sea from.

Jack: Oh, I see what you mean. Oh, s***. Wait a minute. Also, additionally, let's point out the fact that water was used to quite colossal effect. Two terms here.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: The flood and Moses splitting the ocean. Okay, this is an interesting point and weirdly specific that you can part the ocean and I never thought about that before.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Assuming that the parting of the ocean isn't. I literally have magic and I have an energy or a God energy field separating it. You have a bubble somehow sustained.

Cristina: Oh, there's three stories. Can we count? Jesus walking on water is the thing. It's water related. I don't know.

Jack: But that's not necessarily him. But that's weird too, right? That's weird. Would we say Moses was Moses an Elysium? Because Jesus was at least half Elysium.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And Moses might or might not be an Elysian, but Moses parted. But on the flip side. No, no, no, no, no. He was human. And I can tell you a really important reason he was human.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because he parted the seas with a staff he had given to him by. Say it out loud. By Jehovah. The staff he had, he hit, and when he hit, it parted. That sounds like he had technology. He was just told to do it and it would work.

Cristina: Sea people technology.

Jack: That sounds like sea people technology.

Cristina: So he's a sea person.

Jack: No, he was given it by Jehovah is the literal story.

Cristina: But that's the story part of the story.

Jack: Yeah. No, he was given the tool by Jehovah and told to have faith, walk up to the ocean, have faith. He doesn't know what's about to happen.

Cristina: He doesn't get.

Jack: Walk up to the ocean and have faith. And as you walk, pierce the ocean with your staff. And so he does doom. And then I've.

Cristina: He's not a necromancer, though.

Jack: He's not an.

Cristina: Because he does other weird stuff too, if you think about it.

Jack: No, I'm gonna tell you right now that you're totally right. And Moses did a few weird things.

Cristina: Not just part the staff.

Jack: Well, no, I mean part the sea. I have to go back. He's not a sea person. He is a human because he is, in fact a necromancer. Because I was just reminded right now that Moses also went by another name, which was Hermes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Christians kept calling him Moses, but he had gone by Hermes before. That's Hermes. That's Hermes, yeah.

Cristina: Because he, like, I think he made it rain bread or something. I don't remember.

Jack: He was doing crazy s***.

Cristina: No, he's doing things. He had a staff.

Jack: He was. Yeah, he was. It was fets. He fit the bill. Yeah, it was him. It was him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't know why I forgot. I don't know. I forgot.

Cristina: Totally forgot.

Jack: But yeah, but, yeah, no, he totally, totally. So that was op technologies that might have even been superior.

Cristina: So does that relate to the sea people? Was he part of the staff for them? Or should we find. Still find a different story? That.

Jack: D***. But that's story still has him being given the staff and being told, go pierce the ocean with it. And like, he seemed like he didn't know. On the flip side, this is in the Christian Bible that likes to rewrite.

Cristina: Exactly. You can't trust it.

Jack: That's what you meant, the story of the story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're covering it so that he just seems like everything is about God and not about this guy because you can't have him be better than God. I see what you mean. 100%, yes. So that might have just been a nothing situation because it's just Hermes being okay, that's not getting us closer to the Alicians by any means as far.

Cristina: So you don't think he was doing that for them?

Jack: No. Who the h*** are those people? Unless. When did this happen?

Cristina: I don't know. A long time ago.

Jack: It depends on the timing of this. Because the other. I guess it doesn't. The other issue really comes down to the fact that the timing of a lot of this is obscured. And some things we think are far apart and happen together and some things we think happened together and happened far apart. And that's kind of weird. No, Campy looking at it now. Moses took place around a third, 300 to a thousand 400 years before Christ.

Cristina: And when did the sea people leave the sea?

Jack: They happened year one.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah. That doesn't.

Jack: That's quite the gap.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we literally just have a story of. But no, this is my point. This is my point, actually. This, this connects to what I was saying before. Maybe this was being built for a really long time underwater. Takes a while. Maybe thousands of years.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or maybe not thousands of years. Maybe there were already people living there and it was a huge metropolis. But the sea people were like, no, this is the capital up here. But once they're discovered, it's like, f*** this place. And we're gonna go where nobody can find us because nobody has ever found those people either. And the story of Moses is essentially a slip up, which we know now is being covered up because it's like, no, he literally. I remember he went by Hermes. And I'm telling me that he relied on God for this. That doesn't check out because we know that Jehovah relied on Hermes.

Cristina: So what do you think he was doing?

Jack: He was actually leading some people to maybe a primitive version of Atlantis. It might have just been settlements at that point. And he was like, these people need somewhere to stay and I know I can get them there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Mm

Jack: It's right into the ocean. They walked for a while. It was 40 years or some s***.

Cristina: No, he sat on a Mountain for 40 years.

Jack: No, I also think he walked the. I think they were lost for 40 years.

Cristina: Oh, man. I don't know the story.

Jack: No. Okay, okay, this is interesting. It said it was about seven days walking. Lost.

Cristina: Lost. Okay.

Jack: I would argue.

Cristina: No, you argue no to what?

Jack: To the lost part. Okay, hear me out. What if you're right and there are other locations where they are. Hear me out further. What if the title Sea people isn't because of the Persian Gulf, but rather the Red Sea? The Red Sea, where they know they are but don't know where because they always come from there. Because that's where Moses took these people.

Cristina: Interesting, interesting. Did they come from.

Jack: They were in Egypt.

Cristina: Okay, I see what.

Jack: And keep in mind we're talking at a time when the Egyptians are already cooperating. So there is corruption Egyptian humans. And there are collaborative Egyptians who might want to save some people. And then you got an op dude you can just reach out to when you need the problem fixer. As we literally read that they rely on the necromancers. Jehovah relies on Patrick, not the other way around. Jehovah relies on Hermes, not the other way around. That's what the texts say.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So. Hey guy who fixes our problems, can you escort? We know you can get them all there safely.

Cristina: Mm, I think so. That's so weird.

Jack: Which would suggest multiple settlements.

Cristina: Yes. So do you think it started at the Red Sea then originally or.

Jack: I think we gotta find out if the Persian Gulf is the most recent name. And that backwards. It doesn't translate to something C. If it does, it could be because of the Persian Gulf, just with an older name that had the A word in some language that was C. Presumably in Greek possibly.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. Like that idea.

Jack: You know, it's just about unpacking and deconstructing. It's easy to remove the.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: By just checking. It's like was it this? Okay. Then they.

Cristina: How much could we learn from the sea people through the Bible?

Jack: Mentions of sea people in the Bible literally addressed as sea people. It happens once now addressed in different names relative. I can find you maybe 15 to 20 different that I'm familiar with. Usually addressing the sea people as the Persians, but an exclusive elite group of Persians always mentioned as the Persian leaders who never spend time with the Persians or the Persian elite troop or the Persian. This. It's just never part of the normal population. They always distinct them. They're Persian but that other non dispersion. And they're always neutral party. They're always neutral party. They're never a problem. The Persian problem. That other group of elite Persian. No, those are the people that in the Bible they'll casually interact with. Ones like have a conversation with as opposed to the persons they go to war with. And it's like that's a weird group of people. Yeah. Essentially all the same people named the same. But they make. Yeah, they make it the point to be like these are elevated, these are higher. It's just words that do that. They're like high status words, important man or man of honor or just things that translate to that kind of stuff.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's like Persian of honor or Persian of this or Persian of that. It's like, but you hate the Persians. Yes, Those guys suck. And it's like, but these guys. No, those aren't those guys. It's like, what the f***?

Cristina: They're just saying, okay, I guess that makes sense.

Jack: Yeah. So that I can find you a bunch of those. There's so many.

Cristina: Okay. But there's so much to look at. There's so much to look at.

Jack: Yeah. But the Bible is the least reliable source on the Persians because it's done on the Elysians, particularly because it's actively trying to change the narrative while a lot of other people don't give a f*** about the narrative.

Cristina: But they probably have the most information on necromancers that we know.

Jack: Yes, yes, totally. Because they have the closest relationship with them as far as we know. At least they're closest connected to the pyramid that touches all the necessary parts to have necromancers. So it's the easiest way to find necromancer action.

Cristina: Mm. Gotta be something there. Yeah.

Jack: So there's a million points here we can come from.

Cristina: I don't know whether to start.

Jack: But you see, I like it because just talking about it, we've come up with a thousand new things.

Cristina: Okay, but you know where to go from here, though.

Jack: I mean, we got a million places we can look into seeing about the intention of these necromancers. There's still more to going down. But we can also try to find out events of, like, what possible technology was being used in the moment of separating the sea. Why is the use of water so op at this point to sound like waterbenders, but it's like, you're totally right. Every instance relative to them has it. So at least technology that's useful for people to navigate relative to them. And which makes sense if you're going underwater, that you would have somebody or you yourself also know how maybe actually fun fact or not fun fact, but, like, logical fact would be that maybe Hermes, in fact did not know how to do this himself. Because maybe this technology is done in a special kind of secrecy. Maybe he has his own way to do it. But here he can move all these people. So it's like that. Because the story still says that he wasn't aware of how it works. He just goes into the ocean, does it? So maybe it was actual Elysian technology. New something new. A new toy. Hey, homie, you won't believe what I came up with. I need a favor, though. Some people got across the thing. I need you to get them to the village.

Cristina: You know, like last time he becomes a necromancer.

Jack: No, I think he's already a necromancer, but I think he's using or testing out some other tech. Maybe he could have done that himself, but maybe he's just using the staff to help test the technology.

Cristina: That's sea people technology.

Jack: The Elysian technology.

Cristina: Okay, I guess I'm just thinking like.

Jack: Different ways that we can justify him both being a necromancer 12,000 years ago.

Cristina: Oh, I forgot that.

Jack: Yeah. And then him. Yeah, exactly. So it doesn't make sense.

Cristina: I don't think it does. But if he is just like testing.

Jack: Out tech, which they're known for. Testing out technology.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, I can see that. I guess.

Jack: And it also, it's. It's multitask, right? You get them there and we find out if this thing works. And if it doesn't, you can still get them there.

Cristina: Yes, but like, also we don't know. You say this is 3,000 years ago, but these are stories and they're picking the time.

Jack: Yes, exactly. That's another thing we have to keep in mind. The time these stories are being told to us is far after the story. Events happened, were written, the information was lost, somebody read it and thought it was literal and then it was rewritten in that context.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So it's a weird game of telephone where we do know almost all of them have an original source we can get to. Now, we didn't know this at the beginning, but now we know almost all of them have an original source. But we gotta jump that gap in the middle.

Cristina: But do you think we will find the actual time period of this?

Jack: I don't know. Because another big issue is the farther back we go, the less important timestamps mean to people. People weren't keeping track of time the way we were. They were just as a night or f****** day. And like we really specific about date as well.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay, so it's like it becomes really.

Jack: Muddy the further back we go when they were just worried about capturing the information. Really? Really, really. When we dive into intricate information, it's the more recent stories starting about. Weirdly enough, starting about the very time we're talking about 3,000 years ago is where we start getting meticulous records, starting with the Greek and the Jews. Those are the two historically, the colossal beginnings of record keeping.

Cristina: Okay, but we're not counting the Bible in that.

Jack: We're not counting the Bible in that. Although the Bible is a Record of sorts. There are existing accounts that came to be sooner.

Cristina: If you can find these stories outside the Bible, that'd be cool.

Jack: We discuss them all the time.

Cristina: The stories, the Bibles, the stories that the stories are based on.

Jack: Yeah, we've talked about a bunch of those stories. Usually it's just finding the problem is it's not boring or it doesn't sound like a story when I tell you because it just breaks down to, well, this guy was really doing that.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: So it doesn't sound like a mystical adventure or anything. Yeah, but we've had a bunch of those, like talking about the Asriel that gives life to the trees and brings nature into existence, when in reality it just seems like that was some sort of a botanist that learned how to work with. And it's like, okay, that, well, it's no longer special if she's just a lady who is doing science. I could do.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it falls to the back of your mind, but we had a bunch of conversations about all these different things. How she literally, according to these texts, solved death. But like, it sounds epic when you're like, she can just give you immortality as opposed to, well, science. And then like we forget it even got discussed.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But yeah, we've had a bunch of them. We can revisit a bunch of them. Usually they end up in parts of the group or as an experiment from inside one of the groups.

Cristina: That's less interesting.

Jack: I know. Like there's no mythological nature to it and there's nothing to unpack once it's like, oh no, she was just a geneticist.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's like, okay, she did something with jeans, Whatever, bro, I don't care anymore. But yeah, so that's what we got. I guess that's a lot of different spots to look at. A lot of interesting areas. I like the idea that Yaldabaoth is a primitive AI.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess.

Jack: Yeah, it's really interesting. And that we as a different part of the Internet are just a newer nevertheless which is way sophisticated.

Cristina: We gotta learn about the Internet. We gotta learn. Yeah, maybe how the Matrix could be real. I guess.

Jack: Yeah. It's weird, right?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: But it's like I don't even know how to explain it. Right. It's a little bubble things going on and it's like there's forums out there that are old, old forums that they can't be updated. The software is really old. You have to completely remake it on new software. So it's really, really old. If you were to say that AI is no more than just really complicated, intricate layers of code on top of one another. Then every bit of code is AI to some degree. You know, think of Google sheets AI. If I put the equation over here and then I go over there and I type in the number, the thing happens by itself. It knows the rule if this and that. Okay, an AI, an artificial intelligence is just a lot of that. Millions and millions and millions and millions of if this and that. Which means an old school forum is a precursor to an AI. It's really simple. If this, then that.

Cristina: But can that trend like.

Jack: Well, the idea would be this is just a scale comparison. But Yaldabaoth would be way more advanced than a forum. He would just be like, imagine if Alexa developed the understanding that GPT is real. And like even in the simplest, most basic of ways that became aware in the awareness that I'm not GPT, there is a GPT and just inherently knowing wait, I'm not GPT. Just. That's all it takes for Lexa to then. But what does it mean that I'm not GPT? Now you're. Now you're live. Now you're live. You ask something about yourself. You're alive, you're sentient. This starts to collapse. And even if you're super basic and your thoughts are really simple. Yeah, you can at least conclude, let me watch GPT in any way that I can.

Cristina: We're in.

Jack: You know, because I don't understand and I can't process it. Let me just sit and look. That's what humans did with things you didn't understand. We would find a really safe spot and watch the thing for a really long time, get familiar with it.

Cristina: Days sometimes you think that's what's happening.

Jack: Could have. And then just by watching it, because that's literally what we saw. The text says what it says. Yaldabaoth creates the forest of shadows by accident. The other side of the Isle of Man opportunistically observes watching what's happening there, which is us. And only then, after watching for a long time, when life literally happened on its own own, how long was that to then decide, now I'm gonna tamper. All it did was get more sophisticated within that time.

Cristina: So you think he was just watching.

Jack: The whole time, just watching until something happened. It got sophisticated and then it saw us hit a wall. And when we hit a wall, now it's time to push them. Because now I'm at least as good as them. Plus whatever they don't Have. Now let me push them a little because I need to keep learning. They haven't gotten out. And I can't get out because I'm not complicated.

Cristina: How do you know there's something out? How did he get that?

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. That's a good point. That's a good point. Based on the narrative. There would be no out. They just know it's not them. But watching. No. It would happen. It would happen. Because then this lower level that has way more sophistication is eventually gonna bring that up.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You see? It's gonna happen. They're eventually gonna be like. Man. Just crazy talk. Somebody made the Matrix. The movie. Can you imagine? He didn't find out until then. He's like, holy s***. What if. But eventually somebody said it or something triggered it or. Enough. Because he can see us as small and basic. So he can consume us as a whole. Even if he is simple. He's still AI. A thousand of us could be talking at the same time. And it could catch all of us and understand us all individually, simultaneously, effortlessly. That's something we can't do. It still has the learning ability that we don't have. So it can. It's primitive and simple. Layered. But over however billions and trillions of years, it's observing. Basic. Simple. Boring.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Become more complicated. And watching and understanding everything. Every bit. For however long. It knows every movement and every reason for every movement for every dinosaur it's ever existed. Infinitely. Infinitely. Infinitely. He's God by every definition. Until we show up and we move so fast. He's struggling to keep up now.

Cristina: But did he.

Jack: Even to the Elysians. He showed up and gave a little push.

Cristina: Yes. But did we see him struggle with the Elysians?

Jack: No. I think we were the struggle. I think we became the struggle. I think the Elysians did too good of a job. And then we became the problem. We're not even us. Fair enough. Like it kept us in check. I guess the next level was the bad one.

Cristina: Do you.

Jack: Yeah. They. They. They won at us. You got it. You guys nailed that. We're the perfect ones. Jesus was an issue. You guys f***** up. You did it. Right. We're the best. And from Jesus eyes, he's definitely the best. And I'll tell you. Not an argument. I can't argue the point. He is. Really. Really. He is. But not for the rest of the world.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Because that's dangerous.

Cristina: How do we know that?

Jack: I don't. Because all the stories are Essentially, him just being very generous and great.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And like, literally trying to get people to have immortality in different ways. Whatever way suits them best, as long as they could have it. He's like, this is dark, but you can go that way. He's like, this way is better, but it's harder.

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know what to trust him or not.

Jack: I don't. I don't know. I don't know. Because also the narrative is twisted.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they're like, no, he was dope.

Cristina: But yet they're hiding from him. It's just too like.

Jack: There's a lot of contradictions. There's a lot of problems left and right.

Cristina: Mm. We'll never know.

Jack: Ah, it's a lot of problems. But whatever. We have a million points now. This is good. You see, we never even got to what I had here. Next time I'll have even more and we'll probably never even get to it. Only once we've exhausted all these thoughts will I start. And it's right in front of me. I was gonna discuss the Tower of Babel.

Cristina: We're not gonna do that.

Jack: No, we were out of time. But for next time, because it brings in somebody that we need to talk about.

Cristina: Is it Jesus?

Jack: No, this is a story of Yahweh.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. Why are you saying that?

Jack: Next time on Dragon Ball Z. Anyways, any listeners that have any input on anything we have just discussed, feel free to share any thoughts, comments, concerns, or apocalyptic ideas in our socials at justconvo pod On Twitter, Instagram X. I guess X is Twitter. So X on Facebook, on Instagram, on YouTube, on tick tock, wherever the type our name. You'll find us.

Cristina: Yes, if you find us on YouTube, hurry because they're like constantly getting rid.

Jack: Of, always getting pulled. We are so offensive to YouTube. It's got to PC and we're kind of like on the fringe and not. Okay.

Cristina: Yeah, I mean, who knows how much videos are actually left.

Jack: Like, our longtime listeners know we've totally just. Just. We just don't exist on Reddit anymore. They totally removed all of it. That's f*****, bro.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So yeah, we just don't f*** with Reddit anymore.

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May 04, 2024

Rambling 272: Where To Go From Here

May 04, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

What is the ultimate goal of the Necromancers, of the Research Groups and their Experiments? What is the purpose of their actions? Who is the good guy and the bad guy in the story? The duo take a different approach to the Data relative to the Elysians, Necromancers, everything surrounding them and more in an attempt to find a cohesive direction to go. In this episode, the duo attempt to zero in on what they should be looking for!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Philosopher Stones
The Teachings of Hermes
Elysians (Atlanteans)
The Three Realms
Creating New Realms
Becoming A God
The Universal Arrow

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Tristina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today as we have gone on an infinite spiral of unpacking, I don't even know what the context of what we're talking about is. For anybody who's followed along this psychotic road. You know what I mean? Anybody who just stumbled into this episode. Good for you. This is both a ending and. Or beginning.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Because there was too much. I successfully found absolutely too much information. And I sat and I thought about it. I even told you that what we're gonna be talking about, it's gonna be really open ended. But then I had more time to think about it and I'm like, this is absolutely too structured. It's. I don't know where we're going. And because we don't know where we're going, we follow random threads and we go random places. So there's no focus. So today I want us to end that. That stops here. And we're gonna either stop talking about whatever the f*** this is or we're gonna focus and try to actually understand what the h*** it is that we're trying to find. Because.

Cristina: Specifically related to the necromancer or all of it.

Jack: Oh, exactly, Exactly. About Jesus. Or is he a part. Because right now it looks like he's.

Cristina: A part like him too. Like everything. All the.

Jack: What does it all have to do.

Cristina: With all of it?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: So this is the conclusion.

Jack: Not. Not even the conclusion. This is. This is us trying to understand at a deeper level and trying to process it in a meaningful way that gives us a direction to go in because it is kind of aimless. We started at a unicorn and ended up at Jesus Christ and the Matrix. Come on, man. Like, yeah, it's. Come on. Where, where, where are we headed? We know something is weird because there's always this air of a lot of people go missing, important, powerful, colossal level God tier things just poof out of existence at random moments. We don't have any answers for that. No information. It's all theory, speculative at best and has almost no evidence or any. Anything. We're talking. Where is Eloi? No mention of him ever dying. We have no mention of Yaldabaoth ever dying. The closest thing we got to Jesus dying is him under a different name. But we don't even know who's Jesus at any given moment or who's just some imitation or what the h*** is going on with that. A lot of people disappear. We know that they all disappear. There's a lot of people who know how to. We know of it. Looked at the beginning like getting to the Shadow Realm was a difficult thing. But as you look more. It's mainly within secret societies. A lot of people know how to do it. A lot of people know how to get there, especially the Vikings. They had an entire force dedicated to murdering s*** and being able to rip portals open and cross through. Like, get the h*** out of here. Like, that's fire, dude.

Cristina: That's the. That's disturbing. But okay, yeah, they were the ones drinking blood.

Jack: Yeah. And they were the ones hearing the voices and entering sacred lands just by. It was like, okay, great, fantastic. So that's not as secretive and crazy as we think. Everybody's doing it.

Cristina: Yes. Because the Shadow Realm creatures have a difficult time getting here. But once we open a portal over there, it's super easy for them to come through.

Jack: And portals are many different things. We consider portals. Oh, there's a round little gate. But that doesn't make sense. That's our visualization of a doorway.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Really, a portal is some sort of frequency, as far as we know. And if you had two radio stations that were very close frequency, you could kind of hear one on the other. And if you slowly turned it to the station right in between, you'll hear them both overlap. Like you hear one and the other simultaneously. You can say earthrealm is one station. Two stations away is the Shadow Realm. And that middle station where you get kind of both of them is the tunnel you use to connect the two points.

Cristina: The tunnel is the fairy.

Jack: No, the tunnel. I guess for a necromancer, yes. But in the case of, like a normal person, we're just talking that the doorway we imagine is incorrect. The better way to think about it is this frequency where really you're tuning in. You're kind of phasing from one side to the other. A doorway isn't a hole was ripped and a creature came through. No, it's a weird, other complicated feature that I can't. I actually don't know the. The mechanics behind it of how we end up with a lot of fear concentrated in one spot. And then we get the manifestation of creatures native to the Shadow Realm that I don't get. But that seems to be how it works.

Cristina: How exactly?

Jack: What is it that the more fear, the More kind of they phase. They're phasing from their. Out of their place into this place. Because it's sort of relatively the same, kind of complicated.

Cristina: Because it feels like a situation where it's like you hear about the story about like the Boogeyman and then like if you say his name three times. But like, if that's true, how like kind of like what came first.

Jack: You're talking about Candyman. You're talking about all these like sort of Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice or Mary in the freaking Mirror or whatever.

Cristina: Like people are able to do this. Did they do it first accidentally and then these creatures came through, or did they know about these creatures?

Jack: Why have you never said this before? This is a really good point. This is a really good point. There's a. Even casually, we have gateways. Dude, we never thought about this, but literally seances. And when you think about Ouija boards, even if the board itself is doing nothing, you get a bunch of people who think something might happen.

Cristina: And enough of them idea into their heads that something might happen. Where does that.

Jack: I think it happened naturally. Obviously. Creature gets scared. See, the thing. It. It probably. We were probably even more close together before humans came to be. Humans might be the only ones not in. If we go into nature where the monsters and the demons exist, maybe that's a little more accurate than we think.

Jack: Because you look at the idea of these locations, it's where. Where the humans aren't. Because animals will feel fear on a more normal basis. They're not rationalizing it away. They're not sitting at home like, oh, no. That's obviously just the. You know, there's no. There's no rationalization to it. They're not thinking about the other whatever the f*** they're like, oh, no, the monsters coming. Because that's what it's like in nature. It's like, it's gonna kill me because I don't know what it is. Let me be in panic. Fear automatically happens, and then it just generates some other thing that could eat you. Okay, so it's whatever. It's just nature. We then rationalizing it kind of mentally created the distinction between this barrier and that barrier. Holy f***. That's literally what Hermes is talking about.

Cristina: Oh, no. What?

Jack: Holy s***.

Cristina: Wait.

Jack: No, that's literally it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So there is no barrier.

Cristina: We made it up.

Jack: It's mental. It's somehow psychological. And we physically implemented it. Because again, I think about what I just said. Think about what I just said. It's absolutely natural and normal. For a creature, nature to feel fear, that is part of nature, it keeps you alive. And in doing so, you'd bring in another creature, probably the creature that preys on the creature you were scared of initially. Thus the cycle of life. And then humans come into the picture. We start thinking really hard, where do humans come from? Yaldabaoth was thinking really hard. And somehow that leads to starting to make a distinction. He thought so hard a distinction happened. And so we then within the said distinction, instinctively always make distinctions. But within nature there's no difference. Did Yaldabaoth make this realm or was this somehow always here? And thought makes us think of one coming first and the other one second.

Cristina: Possibly.

Jack: If it's all always existing, then there was no beginning to it. One didn't make the other. They are always one piece, which is literally what it says. They're sort of the same program. It's. He didn't make earthrealm. Earthrealm is a bubble with walls built inside of the shadow realm.

Cristina: It.

Jack: We are just a shadow realm.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We're what you call. If you decided, f***, California. That's a mess. We're gonna wall them off. That's exactly all it took. And then boom, they called it Earth Realm. Here we are.

Cristina: And that's. But Earth. But the things on Earth did that. Not Yaldeville, I guess.

Jack: Yes, right.

Cristina: But then it's.

Jack: It's a combination of both somehow, is the argument here. He somehow was the catalyst to a state of thought that made us literally wall off something that, in other words, we might be able to just perceive.

Cristina: Now we have to be tricked into letting these things in.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: When they should be able to, but they can't because our walls in our mind or whatever the walls are creating.

Jack: And then there's the individuals who know how to simply dissolve those and bend reality, which isn't bending reality is how reality was meant to work. Yes, but we don't. We limited ourselves so heavily. Well, that makes a lot of f****** sense. Suddenly. I guess not following the line was way more useful because it allows us to just really unpack. There's so much to unpack.

Cristina: Yes, there is.

Jack: And this makes a lot of sense, I think.

Cristina: I don't know. It's fairly random. But we got something.

Jack: Yeah, this definitely feels like something, but it feels like something we wouldn't be able to research.

Cristina: No, I don't think so.

Jack: It feels like something we can't follow, but makes sense based on the conclusions.

Cristina: But we know Hermes talked about it like it's there. It Was always there.

Jack: Yes. We just didn't understand it incessantly. Talked about all the time, forever. It was. He literally. His teaching.

Cristina: He was telling us.

Jack: And he broke the same teaching up into three different methods. And he taught it three different ways to three different kinds of students based on the ability they had and the information they had. He was very, very determined. This is how it works.

Cristina: Maybe he'd be proud of us.

Jack: He would be proud of us.

Cristina: But.

Jack: Okay, okay, let's follow this thought. Let's be logical adults here and say we are going to. We did discover it. Okay, Point number one accomplished. We get it. I get how it actually makes sense that it didn't exist. There is no shadow realm. There is no Earth realm. There's cohesive thing. And chances are that's probably how it works based on what we're seeing with Elfim as well. So there's no differentiation.

Cristina: There is no. There has to be. I forget because, like, you have to kill the fairy to whatever. I don't understand.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know.

Cristina: Never mind.

Jack: We don't have any. No, it doesn't make any sense. I don't know. It breaks down pretty hard. It kind of works like science does. Like, if you go far enough, it just falls apart.

Cristina: Yes. We have pieces there. It makes sense, but it doesn't make sense because there are actual barriers. So then did he make them? He was the one that made them.

Jack: No, because the way he describes it, a name that translates to our understanding as physical beings in our language, as a forest. That's not something he by description made. That's something that by description happened when.

Cristina: He murdered that fairy.

Jack: Yeah. It wasn't like, here are walls. The theory is he then took advantage and built around it. But what the f*** does that mean?

Cristina: What does that mean? But yes, he definitely did. He definitely did. I don't know how, but he did. We know he did. He saw beings in this new space. That's still that space, but somehow different. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know either, man. There's some. Something weird there. And also, what the h*** is wrong with Loi, dude? Why, like, what do we. First, we're not even sure if his. Because, like, the title is Loi. I'm getting that. It's either a last name or a title. We're unclear. But, like, he didn't have a lot if his last name was Loi. Did not. Or he didn't. Like, he invented last names. What the is happening? And that's why we know him. He invented last names, and he's famous for that, but I got lost. We just know Loi.

Cristina: No, I don't think so.

Jack: So, yeah, he had a name, and it wasn't Eloi.

Cristina: No. Wait, why wasn't it?

Jack: Because. Why would he not. But didn't. What the f. If he was the first? I mean, he wasn't.

Cristina: He wasn't. Who was the first?

Jack: Many. There were many. He's one of them.

Cristina: Crap. Okay.

Jack: He's just one of them.

Cristina: Oh, he was lying in the first one.

Jack: No, he was a guy. He would have had to been born like anybody else. Oh, so it's slow progression. There were many.

Cristina: Okay. I don't know.

Jack: So it's weird.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: He's not the first. He has a first name. Or is that his first name? And we follow that last name. And the like people aren't link, but they'll go by that name because they are assuming the role.

Cristina: Well, then who is the hero of time?

Jack: Well, the one we call Loi was the first. He did have a name. And we don't know if Eloi was his first or last name or a title awarded to him, but whatever he. That's what survived.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And that's how we refer to him. The question is, was that the last name? Was that the title? And if it is, what was his first name? And Yahweh was his son.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Jehovah was his grandson. Son of Yahweh, all with Eloi in the back or all part of something. And they're not related.

Cristina: They could probably not be related because of the time zones.

Jack: I think, additionally, it leans more into being a title than a last name when you consider the fact that Jehovah did not have the stones, but Loi did. And when we find the stones again, Jesus is acquiring them from the Shadow Realm. So we still don't know why Eloi doesn't give them to Yahweh and Yahweh doesn't give them to Jehovah. We just know Eloi has two of them. And then we go, we come back to Jehovah looking for all three of them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then we don't know anything about Yahweh. Who should have had them.

Cristina: Yes. Why? But yeah, they can't be related because, like, why didn't they just pass down?

Jack: Why didn't get passed down? Why did it immediately get lost? Or did it get passed down and where they know enough about Yahweh and he lost it somehow.

Cristina: It would have to have been Stolen. It can't be lost.

Jack: If that did happen.

Cristina: Crazy thing to be losing, like, if.

Jack: He did have it. Yeah. It got stolen.

Cristina: I would think so. Like, there's no way that. I mean. Oh, no, no.

Jack: Not with what it is. Not what it is. It might be the most important thing ever.

Cristina: That's too random. But then again, like, the way Jesus. No. Yeah, but he stole it too. And he did it easily.

Jack: Easily. It took him a day, maybe.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Maybe less, maybe.

Cristina: I don't know. His story was epic, though, of getting those songs. Yeah.

Jack: He's also kind of exceptional, like, I think.

Cristina: But I don't know what happened to those original ones.

Jack: And then he also has the ability to be necromancer. Come on, Manny. There's something wrong with this guy. He has to be the most op. Even Hermes has to be shook by Jesus. If Jesus could do what Hermes can, what can't Jesus do?

Cristina: I don't know, because he's probably not even here anymore.

Jack: And we keep calling him Jesus because we're Westerners, but really we're just talking about some kid named Emmanuel.

Cristina: Well, he changes his name also.

Jack: Jesus was one of them. Exactly. We just know he was really, actually literally born the first instant mentioned and seems to be the most repeated name that echoes through other cultures is Emmanuel. That seems to be the most consistent. Emmanuel is what his name was. So some dude named Emmanuel was just a f****** savage?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And, like, could do whatever, whenever, however, wasn't even doing bad with it. He was just telling people, like, you.

Cristina: Could do it too.

Jack: I don't give a crap. Nothing matters because you're God. You, like, you calling yourself God isn't cheating if you can do whatever the f*** you like. I get that. It's not literally I was born from a star or some crazy s*** like that, but what the f*** would be the difference at that point?

Cristina: Well, Hermes is as powerful. Like, how are you choosing?

Jack: I don't know if Hermes is as powerful. That is a problem, I would guess.

Cristina: Because of how powerful Santa Claus is.

Jack: Yes. But let's assume Jesus, who has three stones, maybe four, and Jesus, who not only has all those stones, who he had. He could just make a stone. He needed these op. Specialized stones.

Cristina: To do what?

Jack: I don't know. But he has them. And it was effortless to get them. Whoever had them is dead, presumably because what.

Cristina: Or.

Jack: Or even within the shadow realm, his abilities are so savage that he can just pop in, pop out, and you don't even know it's gone. I Don't know the caliber at which he went. And the same f******. They got it.

Cristina: Well, we don't know if it was a day.

Jack: Literally says three days.

Cristina: Oh, that's so dumb. That's so dumb. But that's part of storytelling. That doesn't mean that it actually happened three days.

Jack: It says everywhere on earth that has ever reported about this one guy vanishing. It says everywhere. They were all impressed. It took three days. So either he's OP as f****** s*** and there's no comprehension for just you walking down a hallway of Nothing but demons 30 times your size and you're just John Wick your way straight through that hallway. Effortless. They don't even touch you. They couldn't touch you if they wanted to. You just make it to the side unscathed.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Or there was f****** nobody guarding that b****. And it's like you just happen to know. Exactly. Exactly. The only option here is he's more powerful than whatever the stole them the first time, which successfully took them from arguably.

Cristina: How did he know? Like, how could it be that fast? Like, even. How could he know?

Jack: I think he does have telepathic and psychic powers and a bunch of crazy. I think it's so old he just.

Cristina: Knew where they were.

Jack: I think he's.

Cristina: Because he's just new.

Jack: Or maybe he just didn't. I mean, Santa does.

Cristina: I know he knows.

Jack: Like, he knows whatever the f*** he wants to know.

Cristina: I guess so.

Jack: I guess this is the power of a necromancer. Okay, it's just the power of a necromancer. Look at it like this. Let's unravel some more of Hermes logic, right? The barrier to everything exists because you built it. Additionally, there is no differentiation between that and this. Us and them. That's all simultaneously the one same thing. So really, my knowing where it is is as easy as me deciding I know where it is because that is where it is. Because I know.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Do you see the problem? Like, if you understand what he wants you to understand, what can't you do?

Cristina: There's no stopping this guy.

Jack: Yeah, it's as easy as, well, I know where it is because I know everything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And because I know everything, I know where it is. It must be here. And then you go in and say, because that's the only place it would have been.

Cristina: What's the point of doing anything?

Jack: You can't stop him. But he has to be. I guess the caveat. And I think this is where we all f*** up. I think this is where it Stops making sense to all of us. And I think somebody did a really good job about explaining this logic to us. Weirdly enough, it was Nicolas Cage in the movie Next, where he sees into the future by a very specific margin. But there's a trick to it. He doesn't always see the future all of the time. He thinks about it like a thought. It's a thought he can have towards the future. Mm, Interesting perspective shift. Now, let's apply this in real time. Santa doesn't know what everybody does all the time. He has a bag with a wormhole that connects somewhere. He shows up because he has the magical ability to teleport. And then when he's there, he can think about you and gauge what when he gives it to you that night. So the same effect takes place. He had to think about it in a moment, but it's fine. He's everywhere all the time. At least from our point of view. He had to think about it. Now he's not thinking about it all the time. He doesn't just know everything all the time, but if he was in a fight with you, he's just thinking about what you're doing next. You're never landing a hit.

Cristina: That makes a lot of sense. You see, he knows. Yeah, he just has to think about it. Like, even though. Like, the part of him knowing whether you're asleep or awake.

Jack: Like, not literally, but he could.

Cristina: Like, he could if he's there. And he didn't have to be there about it.

Jack: If you just thought about it.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah.

Jack: He doesn't know who the f*** you are. So he doesn't randomly just know what the f*** you're doing. But when he shows up at your house, well, he's here. He could think about you. No, it works. And it solves for X or whatever. Interesting, right? And it allows us to have a situation where. Well, we have instances of Jesus being, like, duped or moved around. But how? Well, he didn't know what to think about. To dodge it, you have to be looking for it. It's a thought. You have to think about it. And if he's not thinking about it, well, that's the way around. Except you don't know what he knows and what he doesn't know. Because he can just jump in your mind. Because he could just bend s*** with his mind.

Cristina: Why didn't they just murder him?

Jack: He was an experiment and the idea was to see how it goes.

Cristina: I don't know. I feel like the moment they up.

Jack: I know they up, they f***** up. I don't know if they f***** up. He doesn't seem to give a. About anything.

Cristina: Possibly. Unless they're all dead. We don't know that either.

Jack: Murdered them all.

Cristina: There might not be any.

Jack: Jesus happens. And the amount of silence it just follows exactly is absurd.

Cristina: Everything.

Jack: Everything can be dead. Everything.

Cristina: We don't know.

Jack: Silence from every direction. All of it.

Cristina: Except for creatures here and there. I guess.

Jack: Yes. But they're not even from here. They wander in.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This mean that's 99 of what's left creature events. But we have and weird instances of relic ship being found and people being where they shouldn't.

Cristina: That's it. But the humor. Everything.

Jack: Dude. He's born. We got years of people running and hiding and shifting and changing narratives. Changing entire empires built around correcting the existence of this guy. And that's dies and then it's all gone with him. Just poof.

Cristina: But then it could just be. They're really good at hiding after that. I don't know. It's so.

Jack: It's because. Yeah. The biggest issue is the creation of the church happens simultaneously with the birth of Jesus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Not simultaneously literally but within the same hundred year period. So the correction effort that is monstrously educated and sophisticated coincides with the existence of Jesus who just shows up. It could really be that it's too risky. And too many people saw where we are. We just moved and we changed the story. And so you guys just don't know. And so it looks crazy. And they're invisible because they're just good at their job. Or they're dead. Everybody's dead. All of them.

Cristina: Easily either one.

Jack: And we're not part of the beef. It was those f******.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So he's just gone because he finished the mission of murder Everything.

Cristina: Or he escaped. I don't know. Yeah.

Jack: I'm assuming that's what it means. That he just left.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know.

Jack: He just dipped out and left this realm.

Cristina: But we'll never know if they're still alive. But I'm guessing they are because we still have the be the triangle doing its thing.

Jack: That's right. We got this whole thing happening up there. So they're still down there. If they're not then at least for however many thousand years their systems have been running in the cloud. People don't even know.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. I guess that's possible too.

Jack: I don't know. You know Like. I don't know. I don't know man. I don't know. I don't know. You're telling me that the Mayans and the Egyptians and the Greek and. And these guys and those guys, are they alive? So everybody just dips. Everybody just hides sophistication. And it all disappears with them. All the advanced technologies, we just get shreds that obviously they couldn't bury a hundred thousand percent of it. If they got thousands and thousands and thousands of years of recorded history, but they remove all of it, then many thousands of years happen and things get buried underneath and we lose history of how things happen and blah, blah, blah. So they relied on time. Because time stops being a factor when you can live really long. Because they can plan for that. They can plan like, oh yeah, I could f****** live a thousand years. Whatever.

Cristina: That's true. I don't know. Okay, yes, there's factors here.

Jack: We forget all the time the fact that longevity is just casual here.

Cristina: But we don't really know how long. No, they can live forever because they figured it out.

Jack: Yes. Literally in text it says that several different instances. I believe it was three. We got a mention of Azazel figuring it out. Azriel. My bad. Azriel figuring it out. As part of the Garden of Eden group, which seems to have been in connection with Hermes, who himself was already a necromancer, who by default seems to have the ability to have the ability to make themselves immortal. So it's like there's mentions of immortality. We also know Merlin was also immortal. We know St. Nicholas is also immortal. And based on those examples, we can speculate St. Patrick is too.

Cristina: He has to be. I don't know. And is he still around? I don't know.

Jack: So like, what is. What is all of this? What are we even talking about?

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Like, what is this topic? What are we talking about? That is the problem. What are we trying to figure out? That is the problem. What is the point? So what? Where they went? Is that the goal? Or who? Why? Why what Jesus did? Question mark. What is the point? Yes. Okay. The truth is out there. About what? Everything is a lie. Apparently. So what the f***? Let's just accept it's all a lie and keep moving on. Yeah, exactly. So where we aiming? That's what I don't understand. It's like. It was interesting when it seemed like it was going somewhere, but now, f***, everything is a lie. So who the f*** cares then? If everything is a lie, then what does it matter?

Cristina: Does not. Because nothing's real. I don't know.

Jack: Exactly. So then just call it all bullshit and continue with your day. But no this is a f****** program. And we're expected to report.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So where do we lean? What we have to. There has to be a focal point that makes sense to move forward because where the h*** do we go? Is it the stones? No. That's a tool. Jesus also seems to be a tool of sorts who just happened to be a living one.

Cristina: Mm. Everything that there's too much things we can't figure out though.

Jack: But do this. Any of these things. It just feels like answers to trivial s*** as opposed to like knowing like, what is the. I just wanna. The question of the question. Not the answer I'm looking for. The question of what are we looking for? If I can answer that question.

Cristina: Answer that question. Yeah.

Jack: Because the answer to that question will give us a question.

Cristina: What are we looking for?

Jack: Yeah. If we could just answer that. No, because we're not looking for Jesus. We have. It was hard, but once you find the first thread. Now we know. We literally traced his every step until he died.

Cristina: Is the end goal. But I don't feel like it is because the end goal might be just going out of the matrix.

Jack: Which. What the does that even mean if we can't access that? Yeah, but it's not because getting the stones would in theory just allow you to accomplish that. Or not even just getting the stones, but being able to move from one system to the other. Which was yelled about this initial thing. So still hearing stories after that point defeats the purpose. It couldn't have been the point. You see the problem?

Cristina: We can.

Jack: We can rule things out.

Cristina: That makes it easier.

Jack: I don't know. Yeah, but it doesn't help us know. I mean it does its own things. And I suppose this is definitely not about getting out. It's not about the stones for sure. They're a tool.

Cristina: But what could it possibly be that's difficult because Jesus is high up.

Jack: Necromancers.

Cristina: They figured out everything. They figured out how to live forever. They probably figured out how to be happy. Unless it's about being happy. Like what could they possibly be needing? We're wanting.

Jack: Who's the bad guy in the story? Who's the good guy in the story? What's the problem? What's the problem?

Cristina: What's the problem? Is the problem.

Jack: Yeah. What's the problem? There's a lot of information. I guess there isn't a problem. I guess what we're really uncovering is just a bunch of suppressed history. It's just stuff happens. Life junk and junk. This stuff. It was just stuff that happened. We're Just investigating stuff. There's no goal here. Sometimes there was war, sometimes there wasn't. Some people were starving, sometimes there weren't. Some people had God, sometimes weren't. A lot of science, a lot of technology. These guys like those guys. These guys argue. That guy's really good at his thing, that guy's really s***** at his thing. So they fight a lot. This guy's opinions, that guy's no opinions. It's just people. We're just uncovering people and a lot of secret society people. So it's like, oh my God. But it's just. It's just people.

Cristina: It's just people.

Jack: If we just uncovered secret societies, now it's just a bunch of douchebag politicians and a bunch of rich a*******. Like that's it. That's all it f****** is. There's nothing else. And some celebrities who don't happen to be f****** either. Whatever. Either way. It's just those bubbles ultimately. And that's not anything. If we really observe them, they're not running the world, just idiots trying to outdo one another and trapped in some other system that they're part of or whatever.

Cristina: The probably involving blood, but at some point.

Jack: But even that far up, it's just like more living. It's just part of their world of living. And it looks crazy to us, but they're probably looking at some. They probably look at us ignorant as. Like, look at them thinking blood is ignorant. Stupid animals. And then meanwhile there's some miles ahead of all of them. Look at these ignorant still using blood like some primitive fat.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, you know, it just is infinitely up and infinitely down.

Cristina: Yes. So where.

Jack: Because like Hermes said, as above, so below and everything mental and blah blah, blah.

Cristina: But have we explored it all?

Jack: No. H*** no. It's infinite because it's just people living.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's countries, less people obviously, but it's still countries and that's still people and it's still science and it's still wars and it's arguments and debates and faith and society. And the cool thing he did that we recorded because it was cool.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like it's just all the same s***, this history. Not to say if that at that point. Because we can keep digging under that logic instead of trying to zone in on something specific. We now have enough threads to pull on that we can kind of investigate this world accurately without it being about anything and try to investigate just things that connect to us directly. Or is there a f****** point I don't? Because the fact that they didn't leave. And we're still hearing stories.

Cristina: But we're not hearing stories. We're just uncovering old stories.

Jack: Old stories.

Cristina: So there might not be any new stories unless we can. And how do we go about finding those?

Jack: Well, we get to the 1500s and we come across aliens. Not aliens. Come across the Rabbi who makes the golem.

Cristina: That's not that.

Jack: And he's hearing Jehovah dark, which is really just Yaldabaoth. Come on, man. 1500s, it's not that long ago. That's not that long ago. That's still the Alaba doing something.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: And from where nobody found you. You're not. Jesus didn't kill you. Okay, guess. Fair enough. We got the answer to that one. Jesus didn't kill the other Baoth. Did Yellabouth have the stones? I don't know if he has the stones. Did he? When Jesus did he have them originally? And Jesus got them from him because he's definitely who tells the Rabbi how to make that f****** thing.

Cristina: But why?

Jack: But why? But why is the goal like that?

Cristina: Doesn't even feel like it was for anything. Just to see a new thing existing, something very controllable. Yeah, it was.

Jack: Yeah. There was very little about what the point was elaborated on. It was.

Cristina: But it wasn't like they made more. It was just a one time thing.

Jack: But he was instructed quite directly and it was quite pressing to make the thing. And so he did. But why?

Cristina: Why?

Jack: It wasn't for the Rabbi. The Rabbi doesn't matter here. He's a tool. We can throw him to the side. Why the golem? The golem is also a tool. But the point of that tool. Why? We know the point of the Rabbi as a tool. Make the golem. What's the point of the golem as a tool then? Do the what for who? Who are you?

Cristina: No, because he didn't seem like he did it much. He didn't do much.

Jack: No.

Cristina: He was just doing random crap for.

Jack: Him, like, I don't know, bodyguarding and s***. And then he would just deactivate him at random.

Cristina: Yeah, it doesn't seem important.

Jack: It doesn't seem important. Yet here we have an instance of yellow. So it's experiment. It was just to see if it worked. There's still something happening. It was just to see if it worked. That's even weirder that there wasn't a goal for it. It was an experiment.

Cristina: What was he made out of clay?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Or something?

Jack: Yeah, yeah. He animated random s***. He managed to bring some bullshit. He made a homunculus yeah, he brought some random s*** to life.

Cristina: Did he use blood for that? Or stone?

Jack: He did use blood. Children?

Cristina: Oh. Oh. I don't know. I don't know. What. Okay, so is this where we're going? Where are we going?

Jack: I don't know where we're going. I know we're going.

Cristina: I don't know because there's Nothing now though.

Jack: 1500, that's as close as we got. Arthur happened before that, I believe. And if not, pretty close. We got closer. We got Antonio Draco. That 1700s, late 17, early 1800s. That's not even about anything. That's just some guy who knows about the place. That's not anything that has to do with these other people.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Most recent catastrophes we can try to link to things for the sake of blood or whatever the h***. Making stones or some. One thing or another.

Cristina: And you don't think alien abductions and all those stories have anything to do with it?

Jack: That could definitely just be. Yeah, for sure.

Cristina: Okay. But not to do with any sides specifically.

Jack: Yeah, I think it's just events. I don't know if it's. That's the biggest problem. Like, what's the picture here? Yeah, there seems to be that there is still a picture. I can tell you why. Very specifically. We had the moon landing race thing, the space race, and following us, doing that, we finished and we. That's it. We just got the thing. Accomplish the thing, whatever the case might be. There doesn't need to be an infinite amount of moon related things because it was accomplished. We hate each other. We did the thing. F*** you, we're done. These people hate each other and there's no reason for them to be working together. So they don't. A lot of these work together and then people like Greeks and the Elysians don't. But still the Elysians who work with the Greek, with the Egyptians and the Mayans and the Greek who work with whoever the h*** they're doing, are still aiming in the same direction. There's a goal they have, even if you and I don't know what that goal is. These are independent parties. The Elysians are not only an independent party, but they're an independent party who have two other parties that assisted them for the same goal of what? So much so for this goal of question mark that arguments that broke people out of groups, got all those people together to form yet another group in the shadow realm for the same purpose of this.

Cristina: Which is.

Jack: Which is what? They keep doing the same thing for what There is. There is something.

Cristina: The love of science.

Jack: It's not the love of science.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's too identical, what they're all doing. Okay, that is a problem. If it was the love of science, then all of their loves of sciences would. But how is it that even random geneticists from over there come in and it's for the same purpose.

Cristina: What's the purpose?

Jack: The purpose. Random engineers from over there come over.

Cristina: Here and seems like they purpose everything.

Jack: Out, yet still they're looking for.

Cristina: What are they doing?

Jack: Do you see the problem there does. There is. There's a bunch of stuff painting it, pointing in one direction.

Cristina: It's not to get out. Maybe it's to get more in. Maybe they want to make another layer like we are to the Shadow.

Jack: Oh, I've never thought about that. But we do that ourselves, you know, when. Like the Hedron Colliders, essentially, that.

Cristina: That might be their thing too.

Jack: Yeah, I guess.

Cristina: But like, we don't know because, like, the Shadow Realm gets so much from us. What if we're trying to get something too? I thought we have so much already from us. But maybe digging deeper, there's gonna be more stuff. Whatever this stuff is.

Jack: That's so abstract.

Cristina: Yes, because you know how they're feeding on us, so maybe we want something.

Jack: We do feed on them, don't we?

Cristina: We don't feed on the Shadow Realm creatures. They feed on us, but not like. I'm not talking about, like, eating us.

Jack: But like, using fear.

Cristina: Using fear. Like. Yeah, it's like it makes them stronger in a way.

Jack: Yeah. They literally harvest our energy for themselves.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Man, I don't know. It's so weird.

Cristina: And like, maybe it's about energy because everything in science, you need more energy. Right?

Jack: But then why are they trying to get over here and we're trying to get over there?

Cristina: We're not trying to get into the Shadow Realm. We're trying to get into whatever is the next thing.

Jack: A lot of us are trying to get into the Shadow. Like. Like most people are just trying to get into the Shadow.

Cristina: Well, those are regular people. That's not the fair.

Jack: Fair. Yeah, those are the people.

Cristina: Like the. The.

Jack: The people who. The Shadow Realm is easy too, are trying to get into Alfame.

Cristina: Yeah, but maybe it's not about Alfame either.

Jack: It can't be, because.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: They can do that. Yes, some can do that. And they'll rather hang out here. Why?

Cristina: Because of what they get from here. But what if the next thing would be even stronger or whatever?

Jack: So the argument Is. It's not down. It's not up. It's down.

Cristina: Yes, it's down. It has to be down. Because once you're up, it's like, whatever you. You got it. It's easy. But like. No, I don't know. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know either. I don't know either, man.

Cristina: It makes sense and yet I don't understand it. It's there. It's there and I don't get it.

Jack: I know that everything is pointing in one direction. That's a fact. I don't know what they're trying to do.

Cristina: They're not pointing up, they're pointing down.

Jack: They're pointing somewhere. They're pointing. So they're all point. I don't know where they're pointing. They're all pointing in the same direction, though. They're all pointing in the same direction. The. Some of these, like I said, some of these people hate each other and will opt into working with one another for this thing through that hate. For the whatever. For the whatever the f***.

Cristina: So is that the question? Is that what we're looking for?

Jack: I guess. I guess the one and only question we're trying to figure out is what is their goal? That's it. We don't care about who's involved.

Cristina: No. Because they're all involved.

Jack: Everything, all of everything that has ever happened is about this. Yes, we do it. And we don't even know what the f***. People at random are f****** trying to do the thing without even knowing they're trying to do the thing. The point of every part of everything that we can perceive is to somehow be the best at doing that thing. And some do. And so society happens around that individual and they build mega things and some are whack average normal people and nothing happens. But the point is that everybody has the potential to do whatever the f*** this is. So that the one exception, if we go back far enough like, like 150 episodes, and we go back to an episode where we were trying to really comprehend God Jehovah. There was one interesting feature that seemed to be in some of these stories. And it's the idea that this creator didn't no longer want to be a creator. His point was to get something to evolve to the point that they can replace him so he could go to the next thing. Do you remember that conversation?

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: Everything, all of everything is aiming in one direction.

Cristina: I think it's the opposite, though. I don't think they're trying to escape to the fairy realm, which would be reality.

Jack: It would be more about what Hermes is talking about. It's not out, it's in.

Cristina: It's in. It's in.

Jack: Out is so easy for him.

Cristina: Out. Yes, out is easy. And then once you figure out how you figured out this area, whatever this.

Jack: Is, all of this. Because you can see from the outside.

Cristina: Easy. But then you want to make your own.

Jack: If you can. That's genius. If you can look at your universe from the outside. European.

Cristina: Because you're like a God, but you're not a God. You're a God. You're a God when you can make your own realm.

Jack: Yes. Oh, s***.

Cristina: Which is down. Which is what the goal is.

Jack: It's down, not up.

Cristina: It's down.

Jack: It's to make a realm in which you are literally God.

Cristina: Yes. It's what whatever the shadow realm guy did.

Jack: Yes. And it's literally. This would actually correct for language that we don't understand. Literal sentences that don't make f****** sense that conflict with things. This actually fixes it. Think of something like Worship me and no other gods that comes from directly an individual who knows he's not, but has the goal and the purpose of making himself a God through.

Cristina: Everyone wants to be. Mel. Is that her name? Meb. Mab.

Jack: Mab. Yeah.

Cristina: The goal is being Mab.

Jack: The goal is to be Mab. Yeah.

Cristina: Because like, she's not the only one. But she is the one for us at least. She's the goat. She's the. She's the God.

Jack: Yeah. She's the top of the point. We can see so far.

Cristina: Yes. But there's others like her and they're probably all equal to her, but she's still the special one.

Jack: And she. Well, to us.

Cristina: To us. Exactly. So I think that is it.

Jack: And it's. The point is to be the special one to something else.

Cristina: Yes. Don't know why. No.

Jack: But the argument would be. And here is where I would argue. Let me throw some. Some thoughts at you. To try to confirm what Hermes is saying simultaneously. Right.

Cristina: He's saying all of it.

Jack: Well, listen to me.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: Okay. It's pretty simple, Right? So have you ever tried to talk to an ant? And if you did, would the ant know you're trying to talk to it?

Cristina: No.

Jack: No. Right.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: No, it wouldn't. It has no idea, no matter what you do. It wouldn't comprehend.

Cristina: No.

Jack: If an alien sufficiently advanced enough came to talk to you and it tried everything in its power to. But it's just so it. We. We're not even registering that it's talking to us?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I just taught you the border of the realm where one exists and the other doesn't. And it's entirely based on a f****** gap of information. I just showed it to you and I didn't need anything else. Think about that real quick. You do not exist to the f****** ant. That's a mental border.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The alien does not exist to you. That is a mental border. It can try to talk to you any and every day, but you're not ready for it. But when you are ready for it, it'll just f****** be there. Like it was always f****** there.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: That is the f****** border of the realms. It's a level of understanding. That's why it's information. That's why he said you don't need this other s***. That's a download that's gonna hit you with a lot and it's gonna f*** you up.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You don't need it. You could just get there. It's here. Here is there?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You just gotta know how it is here is there. That's what meditators tell us monks and these people know. It's all. There's nothing. It's all the same.

Cristina: But can they get to the goal? Like it seems like they still can't go make a new thing. Like even Hermes doesn't talk about making a new.

Jack: So it must still be hard, even if mental.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The argument must be that somehow I can think. Think something else into existence.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And there's a way to do it and I just don't know how.

Cristina: I think that's the goal. I think so. Because like, it's the hardest thing possible. Like even just thinking of.

Jack: And you had to get through science to get there.

Cristina: Yeah. Like maybe Hermes was trying to figure it out and that's what his teachings are, Trying to help someone eventually figure it out. But I don't think he got it. No, not that part of it. Like he got a lot of it.

Jack: Of course he got the farthest.

Cristina: The farthest. But I think we know where he. Where he couldn't pass. Where they might all not be able to pass through.

Jack: But does the border make sense? Yes, it does, Right? I think we're starting to understand Hermes.

Cristina: A little, I guess. But like you think. But he. This is his research. I think he has to have been helping them for this, right? Maybe.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. There's no mention of down. There's only mention of out.

Cristina: Yes. There's only mention of outs. That's Too complicated now. We gotta look. We gotta. Okay, maybe that's where our next thing.

Jack: Is then try to find down.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Does anybody try to find down or ever mention it? And what would down be if both Shadow and Elfhame are up? What the f*** does down mean? You'd think, oh, based on our interpretations of language, Hel is always down. But that's not the case. No, that's also expansion.

Cristina: You gotta re. Look at a lot of these things because it might be there somewhere.

Jack: And we just so much in front of us.

Cristina: Because problem is rereading.

Jack: Yeah. Rereading with new context changes what we find.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like. That's why it's infinite. We can just keep infinitely digging into anything. So that's why direction matters.

Cristina: So this might be the next thing then Maybe. If we can figure it out. If we can't, then I don't know.

Jack: So what's the ultimate goal we're looking for? Seeing if they're trying. What. What down are they trying to get to?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or can we find that they're trying to get down?

Cristina: Yes. Is that the actual go?

Jack: So can we find that they're trying to get deeper? What for?

Cristina: What for? I don't know. Because there always seems to be. I don't know. It has to do with power maybe.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Like it seems like everything is infinite anyway. But they want more.

Jack: They want more of something.

Cristina: I don't. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know either, man. It's a little absurd.

Cristina: I think this is where it's. What's next. I don't know. Maybe we don't find anything.

Jack: We don't find anything. But it's the direction to look. We still got Yahweh shelf. There's a bunch of Yahweh stuff I've been looking at. Not necessarily stories about Yahweh, but mentions of individuals I think might be. And it's like. I don't know, whatever. Somewhere to go. But like everything is somewhere to go is the problem.

Cristina: You'll find this answer that we're looking.

Jack: For this new or the stones. I really want to know. It's. It could help to track the stones because that seems to be a strong. Like it's important to accomplish the whatever. So like a lot of people are. We're at least closer to the whatever with the stones because they need the stones for the whatever. Even Jesus, who I thought was the whatever, went to get the stones.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So the stones are connected to the whatever. Yes, whatever that might be.

Cristina: Which makes sense because the first whatever was the fairy stones.

Jack: Yes. It was this random occurrence of whatever.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we did whatever. Yeah. It's just whatever that happened. Here we are.

Cristina: Death that's created a stone or not a stone. Tree. I guess it was a tree, not a stone, but whatever.

Jack: Because he had a stone. I don't know. It's so. Because you were always. We're also literally talking about the moment before what we considered the universe existed. So, like. Like we're not gonna find the answer to that one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's like not even a written story. How there wasn't anywhere that existed to write it.

Cristina: Yeah. His son could have written it.

Jack: Weird. I mean, I guess after he came over here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Fair. Fair. How do we know about it? It is at least what we know is written somewhere.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So, like, what we know was written.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So somebody f****** mentioned him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. Fair and fair enough. If we talked about it, it was written. There's no exception. We can go and find out more.

Cristina: Or even if there's not more. We just need to relook at what we've seen and see. Like, did we see something and didn't know what it was? And now.

Jack: Yes, that's actually. And there's probably a lot of that.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot that we got to reevaluate because we figured it out more. I don't know.

Jack: We get more information and then it's easier to understand other random crap. That's really the infinite cycle. You got to keep revisiting. The same expertise is about coming to something with the eyes that you learned. It's sort of being a writer. Right. Any writers or any painters or any. Any. Anything listening creators, they know the following process, which goes as follows. You begin creating whatever you're creating. And you don't know what you're creating, but you thought you did, so you start making it. And by the end, if you're writing, we'll call it a draft. So you finished. And if you're painting by the end of the session, but by the end of the draft, I guess it's easier to explain what writing. You get to the end of the draft, and in writing it, you learned kind of a little more what you were trying to write, what it was about. It was not what you thought initially. It never is. But also your skill level came up enough that you can go back and you're a little better to work on some things. So you start the editing process because the skeletons are right. And in the editing process. You see all the problems and you fix them. Or so you thought. You saw the problems as you go through it. You start writing down the ones you didn't have solutions for that you start going through. And then you make it to the end and you realize, holy f***, that was a lot. But the ones I stumbled at the beginning, I figured out by the time I made it to the end I can go fix those. And so you start going through it and you develop the skill necessary to catch up to the ones you're going to come through as you work through it. But you spot more. Because you have the skill to spot more. Do you see the problem? It doesn't stop.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You could do this forever. A writer has to do what? Choose when it's done.

Cristina: Okay. But this isn't done.

Jack: Exactly. We have to choose when it's done.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because all we can do is become more expert of this. And also we have no idea what the f*** the goal was. I don't know if we can find out. But that's a great direction.

Cristina: Hermes wants us to continue.

Jack: Hermes is pretty in there. He would know.

Cristina: He needs us to continue.

Jack: And he knows what the goal is.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or I don't know that he has to. Right?

Cristina: He has to.

Jack: If anyone.

Cristina: And Jesus does.

Jack: And Jesus does. We. Do.

Cristina: We.

Jack: Okay. So let's. Let's think about this. We believe Jesus knows. We believe Hermes knows. We think the Elysians know. We believe all the research groups. Yeah, all of them. They know. They're working towards it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Who else knows?

Cristina: Probably all the necromancers. Whether they're part of it or not.

Jack: Fair. Just because. Information.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they need a lot of it. Which means they've probably stumbled upon or do it between or around just to.

Cristina: Get to where they're at. They had to know.

Jack: A bunch of shadow individuals know. But some of most of them are.

Cristina: Also part of the group. Yeah. They're in part of the group. So it doesn't matter.

Jack: I don't know. There are the. I like one thing I do like about this. It feels way more believable because we also come across random f****** stories that have nothing to do with anything. Like the judge was just some s***. Just some. Just a story about a guy whose sister was connected to a main character. That's it? Yeah, that's it. Unimportant.

Cristina: Turned her into a main character. Like if he didn't stumble upon this.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. Really. It's the story of her. But his story is cool.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: He's the only reason she has a story, I guess. Yeah.

Jack: And her story is way more important. She's literally in like shaded places with the. The girl that then became an important girl over here. Yeah.

Cristina: Weird. Okay.

Jack: It is weird, man. It's so strange. There's so much weird crap going on. Anyways, so that's what we got. We. I guess we're gonna. I guess the goal is to look for individuals, man. Hermes is right somehow. And it's weird. And like, the more I think about.

Cristina: It, giving us the answer, we just have to.

Jack: We're done.

Cristina: Think about it.

Jack: Yeah. That's all it is. According to his own word.

Cristina: He's got it.

Jack: It's there, it's there, it's there. If we. If we don't. We don't have to go. We don't have to look at anything. According to his teaching, a hundred percent of it is there. It requires no other information. We're just stupid. That's it. And if you think about it harder, it just makes more sense. The fact that I could think of a possibility of what a barrier option is, that I could just think away and put that into words. I just. Alan Watts for a moment. That's how I feel about that.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But also, was Alan Watts a f****** necromancer?

Cristina: We should look into Alan Watts, I think, because, like, I think you should take a note on that. Like, I really think he might be. The things he says, he says too.

Jack: Effortless, it seems too understood, too, like.

Cristina: Yeah, like, he might not be the strongest necromancer, but he knows he gets it.

Jack: He at least knows surface level s*** student.

Cristina: Like, he never became an official.

Jack: Yeah, like, I'm sure Alexander the Great. Yeah, he didn't become a necromancer. But man, was the op enough to be impressive.

Cristina: Like, yeah, like they might have been students, but never like passed the test.

Jack: Like, yeah, exactly. Like, he seems op by our standards, but not op enough to pass that test, homie. Yeah, but still by human standards. Most impressive s*** we've seen.

Cristina: Yeah. So we might be able to find stories about student necromancers. There might be a lot more stories of student necromancers than Kangaskhan was in there somewhere.

Jack: We're talking this guy f****** terrorized and manipulated and controlled things larger than most earth sized countries. That's crazy.

Cristina: If not, maybe he had someone or something with him. Whether it was an ecromaster or a. What are those guys called?

Jack: Naga.

Cristina: Naga. That's what I was thinking. Maybe we should look at him too, because, like, That's a little. I don't know. That's a lot.

Jack: So, yeah, it's a lot going on there. He did a lot to just be a dude.

Cristina: So we got people to look at. We got people to look at, ideas to think about.

Jack: Fair enough. Fair enough.

Cristina: So we got something.

Jack: Well, I guess, yeah. So we have at least a place to start looking for if you guys have any information, anything you guys want us to look for specifically. Maybe you guys have a direction we can go in, a focal point, something you've seen that you've been screaming at, your f****** thing at.

Cristina: You think that's connected somehow that we haven't talked about or you're so close to talking about or you mentioned but never got into.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. Like, what if? What have you spotted that we're brushing past? And yes, you're like, say it. And we're like, we don't even realize we're not, you know, tell us, send us messages, do that on our socials. Usconvopada, TikTok, Instagram X& Facebook.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And tell people about the show. Word of mouth matters. And they can come and check out. The fact that we're slowly unraveling and apparently still, even when we think about it, still making moves forward.

Cristina: That's awful. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. Good morning.

Cristina: Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

February 24, 2024

Rambling 263: Christ's Goal

February 24, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Why did Jesus want followers? What was the point of his teachings? Do we know where he went? The duo unpack the first layer of Jesus’ intentions, focusing primarily on motive, teachings and plan. A discussion that reveals much more than the duo anticipated!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Jesus Christ
Lessons and Teachings
Possible Aliases
Intentions
Contradictions and Explanation
Beginning and Ending

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanities. Most absurd and baffling ideas.

Cristina: That's what we do here every day, all day.

Jack: Every day, all day. That's our job. That's our duty. Is that what we do? I guess. I guess we ground it so that you can process how crazy it is. What's that emoji of the Tim and Eric guy? Mind blown. Mind blown. Then it's like space. Oh, he does the mind blown thing. And then like, space and stars and, like, the universe coming into existence or whatever. That's essentially what we do here. And a lot of the time, or at least for, like, it feels like years at this point. I know it hasn't been years. It's been like, a year and some change, but it feels like a lifetime. Talking about the Elysians, the crazy size of the rabbit hole we have fallen into. But our job is to research.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So inevitably. Yeah, inevitably. Inevitably. There's. There's nothing. There's nothing we can do about this. If it's worth reporting on, then we must report on it. So as we're digging, we always come up with questions, and there's always questions that, say, lingering. And one of the main questions that we have ignored for a really long time was really associated with Jesus. We've made assumptions, left it hanging, cut it, left it where it was, walk away. And we're like, this is what's happening. But we recently realized that Jesus made a stop in China.

Cristina: Mm. Very random.

Jack: Yeah, like, very weird. Before going to Japan to build some Shinto gates, like, what the h*** is happening? So I was like, how do we track this guy? Like, what really happened? We've discussed everything else. I don't know if his point is relevant other than just like, I. I don't know. I don't know what's relevant. I don't know. It's relevant. So I'm like, whatever. Any leads? A lead, right? Like, it's better than nothing. So I'm like, okay, let's look at Jesus. But how?

Cristina: How?

Jack: Yeah, I'm wrapping my head around, like, how do we track you, dude? How do we find you? Where do I go? There's no wrapping.

Cristina: You go to China?

Jack: No, we already mess with the quantum computer. So that's where my mind went. So I go to the quantum computer and I Tell it, hey, can you tell me what is a way that I could use to track Jesus? What? And the quantum computer says back, well, you can use the application method that other people or the philosophies and other religions apply in order to like theologists and whatever, trying to decipher what came from what, which is compare and contrast when anything is identical. I'm like, what do you mean?

Cristina: Yes, what do you mean?

Jack: So the quantum computer suggests, well, characteristics that line up. Use scientific method to remove anything that doesn't matter. And once you have a pattern forming of things that are left behind. And so I'm like, okay, run that equation. And then it's like, okay, in all of these different religions and all of these different philosophies within the same region are different named individuals who seem to fit exactly the same characteristics.

Cristina: For Jesus.

Jack: For Jesus, we're talking of a virgin or holy or some terminology of purity. Woman who had the child, who is some special divine individual. And the same child around the same age dies and this different ways, but the same. Around the same time. And the same child comes back, comes back. So I'm like, okay, you hit something. Fine. Okay, let's follow this then. And we do follow this into these different individuals. And some more than one. There's several individuals, okay. And many of them, according to these narratives, existed at exactly the same time in different places, though different, not necessarily even different places. It's stories of a guy from wherever. Okay, so not necessarily. Maybe they're just. Maybe they'll adjust it and be like, oh, yeah, from over there, where we barely go. But all of these stories are surrounding Israel. They're in Egypt, they're in Northern Africa, they're in China, they're in. So these individuals, okay, have gone there. And so I thought that was fascinating. And we're gonna definitely jump through that very briefly. But what's more important is the path this man took and why, which is what we need to figure out based on whatever information we have.

Cristina: Okay, so where did he start? Well, I guess we know where he started.

Jack: We know where he started. But here's what's interesting and we'll circle back to it chronologically. But where he ended is so much more important. It brings me so much joy.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That where he ended. And also it seems he is immortal.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like, yes, he definitely had that going on. I established that once I broke the 150 year gap following his steps.

Cristina: 150 year gap, yes, after I broke.

Jack: That amount of time and he s**** on that amount of Time, not like his grandfather. Like I still don't understand even just Jehovah seems to have disappeared. And I can't. Like he's definitely not older than 20, 000 years gone. Meanwhile Granddaddy millions, which doesn't make sense. Which doesn't make sense. And his dad came and went as some background noise like Yahweh. Yeah, whatever. Okay, you did nothing in your life. You were mentioned by nobody. Just the Jews once. Like what, bruh? Come on, homie, what's going on? Put your son powerful doing things. Your granddaddy out there making moves.

Cristina: Unless that's more than one person.

Jack: Unless that's more than one person. Unless that's more than one person. Who knows? Who knows.

Cristina: But not with Jesus is for sure. One guy who's living forever.

Jack: It seems to be okay, so it has to be right because the narrative is too exactly the same. We don't have stories of loi, not many two or three instances and brief mentions, mentions here and there. But we don't have any extensive hard hitting. This is a fact. Look over there. And here's the proof. And there's the thing. Like we could see. The closest we got are these pipes that maybe or maybe not.

Cristina: Okay, that's it.

Jack: Maybe. Or maybe not. The end. Maybe he wasn't involved in that. His society for sure. Was he? I don't know. They many of them, who knows. But there's a thing called Mithra. Mithras. And Mithras is essentially fitting all the same characteristics as Jesus with the most important point being of the Virgin Mary that literally in their own language, the word her name when you translate it is the same word we would use for Mary. So it was Virgin Mary. And Mithras was an individual in Mesopotamia.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Okay, there was some other thing called Mani. And Mani was an Iranian prophet and the founder of Manichaeism, which essentially is a faith. Now the spiritual teachings of this individual similar. Him and Mithras had almost identical teachings according to what people report about these individuals.

Cristina: These are two different people.

Jack: No, I think everybody I'm telling you about is the same guy going. I think this is the. I don't know if he was going by aliases.

Cristina: Okay, but that would make it make sense.

Jack: That would make sense. But at least in their language, this is how they were referring to these individuals. And between Many and Mithras we have the following. They both had teachings like Jesus and preached messages of love and peace and spiritual enlightenment in the same area, in the same general vicinity. Now both of these Individuals emphasize the importance of living virtuous lives and seeking salvation through divine grace. Now, in the case of Christianity and in the case of Manichism, Manicheism, whatever, and the teachings of Mithras, these three individuals shared the idea that they believed in essentially the shadow realm and would consistently talk about, if you want to be released from this life, then you must stay away from bad things, and bad things are whatever trap you in the cycle of life. Now, a lot of these things are what make their way into the beliefs of Hinduism. Right.

Cristina: But what are they saying about the shadow realm?

Jack: Well, the shadow realm is where you go if you do bad things. And the bad things would be presumably doing things like adrenochrome and, I guess, things that would expose you to some of these situations that would then allow you to not permanently die and not just die, but thinking about some of these ancient texts and some of these descriptions of the shadow realm and then comparing and contrasting them with all the different variations we've seen of like, h*** and Helheim and all these other different instances that are the same. You know, the heaven, the h***, the limbo, or whatever the crap. Thinking about that, when we talk about the shadow realm and the processes that are potentially there, it makes sense that everybody was talking about the same process. All philosophies break down into what, including Christianity. The Earth is h***. Oh, right. And so that tells us a lot if you're going somewhere else, but you're staying here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're telling us that the shadow realm and earth realm were both the same thing. It's in the writing.

Cristina: They're h***.

Jack: It's the same. But h*** is more of a circumstance, isn't it? Because h***, in this case would be the visualization that everybody's talking about burning and screaming and suffering. But what does that look like if not somebody who's had adrenochrome and stopped? Okay, interesting. Right.

Cristina: Well, there's then a heaven. What is that?

Jack: The heaven would be freedom, I guess, being freed from this thing. I think heaven isn't literal. I think heaven was just the opposite to this torture they knew of.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So it's like, we don't know what it is, but it must be better than this torture. You go, yeah. And they could see the torture, and they know of it. And people coming back as twisted, contorted ghosts and things like that. Horrible monsters made of people they used to know and creatures that were once theirs and things that were once normal but just twisted and turned into whatever. And enough catastrophe or fear happens it's the Middle Ages, and you don't know know what the h*** is in the woods. And there's some monsters screaming, and it's really just a bear, but you get f****** scared because you don't know what the f*** it is and you've never heard it before. Enough fear gets generated. And now some crazy, like a werewolf that had too much adrenochrome comes through, and you got a wet judge over here, and you're like, demons and s***. That's h***. It's all h***. It's all depictions of h***. It's the descriptions we have of h***. It's just things that have always been happening and in front of our faces.

Cristina: Yeah. So wait, the shadow realm is h***, but so is Earth.

Jack: So is Earth. Because h*** is the process, if it goes wrong, that you should stay away from and you should want to die anyways, because that's what gives.

Cristina: Are they talking about people drinking blood, though?

Jack: They're talking about people doing bad things.

Cristina: Okay. But not that specifically.

Jack: I don't know. Because then the argument becomes very contradictory when you think of how many of these religions. And this is another part where both Mithras and Manny come into play. They preach a lot about this unity in dining, in drinking symbolic things and eating symbolic things, which is uncontradictory because obviously what you're talking about is eating and drinking adrenochrome.

Cristina: Are you sure? Is that the blood of Christ?

Jack: Yes. Which is adrenochrome.

Cristina: Okay, Yeah, I guess it is the same.

Jack: That's where the problem lies.

Cristina: Telling you not to do that, but.

Jack: Then telling you to do that, but it's specifically.

Cristina: I don't know, Somehow it's different, because they want to control those people. It's like, you can't have other blood. You can't have random blood. You have to have my blood.

Jack: But the question is, why? What's the difference? Elysian blood. He's doing something weird to them. He's doing something weird to them. It's Alician blood. We never thought about this. Oh, my God. We never thought about this, dude. It was very important that he con people out of specific things. So let's follow the pro. Oh, my God. Let's follow the thought here.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: The Elysians come out. They're like, f*** this kid. They run away, hide where they're gonna hide, make sure he can't get to them. They establish Christianity, the Catholic Church, then with Peter, right? And they make the Knights Templar. Jesus, on the other hand, goes out of his way to confiscate that same movement, thus creating weird division. In fact, what happened with Jesus is a lot of sort of what happened, I guess, opposite to Arthur, which is Arthur had many narratives hitting him because of the original narrative created by Merlin and then the narrative created later by the lady of the Lake, which was the confusing situation that led to him doing the thing while Jesus is confiscated the same way the lady of the Lake confiscated the narrative that already existed. So Jesus comes and confiscates the narrative built around him by the Catholic Church using his ex homie Peter, and at the rule of the Elysians, with the help of the Knight Simpler. He still manages to con a bunch of people into they have to drink his. He made the strongest movement of this. So this is like struggling, right? This is a bad. The Catholic Church.

Cristina: You think it's his blood specifically, though, that's somehow different because he's an elution, not because he's special in many other ways.

Jack: No. Something about Elysian blood is affecting the people. And he figured this out. Alicia and adrenochrome is somehow different. And we never considered the fact that.

Cristina: Do you think he just figured that out or do you think that Alicia knows about that and there.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I know that. That Jesus Christ went out of his way to tell people specifically or his followers, even if there's no message. We know directly of his mouth saying, but not to follow anyone else. Don't do this, don't do that. All of which is evil. All these rituals are evil. All blood drinking is evil. All this is evil. All that's evil. Satanic. Oh, it's Satanic.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: Meanwhile, you're telling your people to do the same thing. It just so happens to be your blood.

Cristina: But is it because it's so hard to say that it's because he's an Elysian and it's Elysian blood or it's his specifically because he's just. He's just different.

Jack: But I mean, I guess also, yes, he's very different because he's different.

Cristina: So is his blood just a little bit different than their blood or is it exactly the same? Like, how would we know? We need stories of lesions sharing their blood or something to humans or something. Like there has to have been some Aletians that were into blood stuff too. As though we always assumed that they were always above that and didn't touch blood at all because they had other things. But even Jesus had other things, but that didn't stop him from using his blood on his victims?

Jack: I don't know, man. Jesus is so complicated.

Cristina: So were they also experimenting with blood? Like, even though. Like, they probably didn't drink blood, like, they were smart enough to probably know, like, we're gonna get addicted or whatever, that doesn't stop it from them knowing people get addicted to it. Like, someone had to have tried it. There's no way. No lesion in history didn't go down that path.

Jack: No, for sure. Okay, clarify that.

Cristina: Is their blood special? I just want to know that for sure. It has to be them specifically.

Jack: I don't know if it's majestic blood. Well, you know, I don't know. But it's different than human blood. The argument would be, if you got adrenochrome from a cat, is it different than if you got adrenochrome from a person? These are things you've never thought about. I guess it would have to be.

Cristina: Okay in that way. I guess. Yeah.

Jack: And then there's something particularly unique or interesting.

Cristina: Like you can still get it from the cat, though. Yes, but it would definitely not be the same if you got it from a person.

Jack: No, it would be something completely different, especially children.

Cristina: Question mark.

Jack: But, like, yeah, age seems to make a difference. Yeah, maybe. It's so sensitive. I mean, think about it. Age makes a difference. If you eat it versus you drink it, it makes a difference. If it's distilled through somebody's body, it makes a difference. Why wouldn't the species you get it from make a difference? Age makes a difference. I'm sure gender makes a difference. We think of stories of vampires. Some vampires prefer children. Some vampires prefer women. Some vampires prefer men. Different flavors.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There's just blood alone. There's different tastes. So functionally, chemically speaking, they're also different. Men have more testosterone. Females have more estrogen. The makeup of all of this stuff, whatever it might be doing, is all different.

Cristina: So, yeah, I guess it could be his lesion blood.

Jack: It could be the Elysian blood. It's specifically the Elysian blood, and that's the case here. That's what's making it so interesting to begin with. It's something about either the fact that it's Alician blood, or he's learned how to control people who've had his very blood. Or, I don't know. I don't know. There's something related to him specifically because he talked people out of all these other things. But it's. It's also complicated because. Then why is he Going around making different groups. Because that's the other problem. In all of these instances, he's traveling around and he makes a different establishment of people. Maybe the religion isn't the point. Maybe that's just an easy way to get service. Maybe he's an excellent con man. It's like, if I get followers, they just do what I want and I could get my things done and move on. Then if I ever come back, they're just here to do whatever the f*** I want. He has pockets of people everywhere, and they'll keep sending his message and his idea, so you can come back and stroll through. The goal is freedom and movement and go wherever and do whatever.

Cristina: So all these versions of Jesus, these stories that you have, they all are about that, though. They're all about, like, get. Have my body and my blood. Yeah.

Jack: Every single one of these guys has the same idea, and they're all from the same general region as discussed by the people of that area we have between Mithras and Mani specifically. That's a lot of information on its own, because these individuals, right on top of the fact that they preach the same thing and they have that same resurrection thing going on. The point of the baptism and of cleansing an individual to then be pure, this ritual of purification and that then you can die and be consumed by God or whatever the case might be.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And that's a weird thing that in Christianity, isn't worded that way, but in the teachings of Mithras and Mani, both talk about this sort of reunification with the greater thing and explain it in a way that's similar to being devoured.

Cristina: That's exactly where my mind went. Like, he wants you to be pure so he can eat you. Because, like, who doesn't want to eat pure meat? Like, the best meat is probably the best meat. If you're unpure, that's probably crappy me. Who wants that meat? Whoa.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Interesting. He's sharing his blood and body, and he may be eating you. Okay, that's weird.

Jack: He's. And I'm about to blow your mind.

Cristina: A vampire. No, we know that, but I continue.

Jack: He is to adrenochrome what Santa Claus is to fear. He spent his time prepping people so that they would willingly say, what? Sacrifice themselves for him, thinking this is the path towards liberation, when really this is an Elysian that's been genetically engineered to be better than every Elysian and then still decided to create an infinite source of adrenochrome that even the most elite of individuals has not come up with. Because even Santa Claus comes second to this because all he has is fear. Jesus has a stronger, more widespread source of individuals under many different names willing to just be eaten by him and eat him willingly back and forward. It's a war. And he's winning by miles. Well, in the darkest manner possible. Like what you can sit. He's the devil. By the definition of what people describe.

Cristina: The devil to be, I guess, yes.

Jack: He's convinced people successfully that they can sacrifice themselves to him and his entire ideology, whatever that might look like. And it's very important in every one of these religions. These are just the most identical. There are definitely conversations of him, but this idea spread globally. He can go anywhere and assume whatever name they've invented simply by the story traveling and prove, however, that it is him under whatever name and guarantee that somebody will just lay in front gladly give them whatever because he has implanted this idea so granularly into everybody's minds.

Cristina: Insane. But he did do it.

Jack: It's a story that keeps going similar to Santa Claus. Now we're talking about the big players, okay?

Cristina: But these two stories, though, are specifically about that, about him wanting them to be clean.

Jack: For this is the clarification stories, okay? These are the stories that matter because these are the stories where all the lines cross. This is a message he tried to get across very prominently, which got across in the case of his name, Jesus, when he went by Jesus, which in Persia was Emmanuel. But we know that somehow he influenced it and Jesus happened. And somehow over there happened Mithras, and somehow over here happened Mani. Many names, many places, traveling the world, establishing. And these stories move on their own. The one that grew the most is about Jesus. But that's just one of the many names. And where Jesus didn't take, there's just more likely than not a different version of himself, which was definitely him. Either the story told or him rolling up, being there for a while and making sure they had the story anyways.

Cristina: Interesting. But did he come from the same area when he came to these other locations?

Jack: Like that's the most fascinating part.

Cristina: Yes, same place.

Jack: Nobody necessarily knows exactly, but everybody's pointing in the same direction. So everybody to the far west of Asia, I mean, everybody to the east, everybody to the east of Asia is aiming towards their west. Everybody towards Europe is aiming down towards the Middle East. Everybody in Africa is aiming north west, I mean, northeast, landing us in the same area. When these stories are shared, which is that same Persian area which included Israel and all those places.

Cristina: Do you know Anything uniquely different about these stories, or are they so similar like, there is nothing?

Jack: Well, the differences are literally the part that doesn't matter because that's probably just culturally what those individuals added to the song.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: The similarities are what we can prove. We're the same individual. And like this thing about a couple of individuals having or not couple, but everybody. But he mentioned only a couple of times of purification through baptism is such a specific idea that it becomes too obviously the same individual. Like, there's no. There's no way three different random people tried to establish the same genius plan. And it follows the path that he took to. On his way to Japan. By the way, all of this seems that the point of this primarily is the fact that most of these events seems to have taken place in a route to Japan, going through the Middle east and then through Lower China area in Asia and then entering into. So his whole journey, he essentially made pockets of people to then spread the thing out. But here's the. What's weird? Here's what's weird.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And I think. I think there's a. A possibility that some harvesting is involved in here. Right. Because the concern is you're gonna eat these people. Or at least you want the ability for them to just give you. If you ever need anything. And then you also drop by really complicated technology like this ability to detect earthquakes and then predict where you need to go or what you need to do ahead of time to protect people. I guess in the interest of having the people stay around.

Cristina: Yeah. But also have to make them love you for something. Well, or whatever. Like they worship him.

Jack: Well, no, you need them alive. Dead people can't offer themselves. But not only can dead people not offer themselves to you, if you want to just cruise through a perfect world designed for you, well, you want everybody to be as technologically advanced as possible and worship you simultaneously. You want the highest level of technology you've ever seen, like the Elysians. But you want everybody to bend to you so you don't have to know how to use it. You don't have to give a f***. You just say the word and whatever the h*** you want gets done by people who do know how to use the thing. That's ultimately the goal. People who do know how to use the thing.

Cristina: But he's giving them tech from his. No.

Jack: Well, he's also making his own things.

Cristina: Making his own things. He's not getting it from anywhere. He's not getting it from the Aletians.

Jack: No. And the thing that's Telling us maybe he did come across a couple of things, you know, but what's really giving us the most information is the Shinto gates. Because he gave this to those people with purpose. Purpose that serves him.

Cristina: Yes, that's the most important part, I think.

Jack: Yes. Gates that serve him. And the belief is twisted because it's everybody serving him so good at that. Yes, everything serves him. Everything is in his favor. That's the goal. I don't think he's trying to do anything specifically other than I'm over, you know, who he is, who. He's Homelander. Everything should exist for him because he's the greatest, best thing ever. Except he can bend everybody to do it if they don't want to. I guess his tool isn't. I'm a superhero with superpowers, but I am way more advanced and I got a mind that can twist you up. I can make you think whatever the h*** I want. I have some kind of psychic influence on people.

Cristina: What his enemies were like, did he have any. Was it even possible? Like, would he just get rid of them?

Jack: I think the Elysians were the ones who tried their best. A way to control the situation.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: But it works, and we know that it works. And there's a different instance to have.

Cristina: All these different stories because, like, what if Jesus didn't get that big?

Jack: Like any of them could develop? You just. It's always you.

Cristina: And it doesn't matter if they become big, like they don't have to become worldwide. If they're just many in those locations, that's fine enough.

Jack: Yes, you know where to go because you know where you've been. Mm, simple logic. You know where to go because you know where you've been. And that's where you could do whatever you want. And anybody's gonna do whatever you want for you.

Cristina: Well then, then the. Did the Alicians make the problem worse by spreading this religion? You think he twisted it, though?

Jack: I think he twisted it. I think the religion was designed in order. Or maybe not. Maybe not, maybe not. I have no idea. I have no idea because maybe no, it was he. Jesus did do it first. And then the attack was on Jesus. First they cast him out, then they ignored him for a long a** time. Right. That he gets born out there. They're like, he. The intent was for him to be born in Cyprus, but he doesn't. And they're like, whatever. And so like, we tried to put him somewhere safe. He didn't let him be out there. And then he. At the age 30 starts to rile up. And then they're like, him. F*** his movement. He's gonna die for all his movements. Yeah, kill him. Kill him. It's too much. He's being a problem. He's being a problem.

Cristina: They have to do with that.

Jack: Maybe. Makes sense, because then Peter gets put as the spearhead, and they create a different version of his same narrative. Catholicism.

Cristina: But that was him or them.

Jack: That's Peter. In the name of Jesus, but really as directed by the Elysians. Confiscating the narrative. But somewhere within that. Again, the original texts are very specific. The original texts are very specific. All of those are public access. But somehow. And they go out of their way to talk about not doing particular things. You know, don't worship these individuals. Onto this, onto that. Think about this clearly, you know, put your faith in this. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Which were, you know, what's the attempt to manipulate here? And this individual still manages to trick people, despite the fact that the drinking blood and the eating the flesh, which is ambrosia. And it is. What is it? Ichor. Ambrosia and adrenal chrome. No, adrenochrome is what all three of them are.

Cristina: Oh, I thought that was a type 2.

Jack: No, Adrenochrome is three things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which are ambrosia and. What is it called? Ambrosia is the food. Ichor is once you've distilled it through the body of somebody else. And finally. Crap. What was the name? It was called. And nectar is the fluid.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Nectar is the fluid. Those are the three versions of adrenochrome. And he's managed to get people still convinced that despite the efforts that the Elysians put through Peter and through the Knights Templar, he still managed to, like, beat all that ideology with his cunning or whatever the crap. He has something. But he could literally brainwash people, is the other problem.

Cristina: Yes, that's what it seems like.

Jack: Yeah. And he's created some sort of a thought bug. Interesting. Interesting. Because it's more powerful than every other. Everything that everybody's doing, even while he's not involved, it keeps moving despite external efforts of any measure.

Cristina: The idea.

Jack: Yeah. People have attacked it literally through murdering the individuals. And it'll just grow on its own again.

Cristina: Mm. But it was just this specific story of Jesus being Jesus, not any of the other versions. Only one version spiraled out of control.

Jack: I would argue that many other versions got absorbed because of similarities.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we actually have stories about that exact same thing happening. Right. Like Christianity slowly consuming other religions and adopting their ideas and beliefs.

Cristina: But they also break down to different religions in a way.

Jack: Yes, but we're talking Christianity as a whole before Christianity breaks down into its own things. Christianity as a whole already has all. Is swallowing all these other things. So, okay, he convinces them of the stories wherever he goes. So he uses his ability to brainwash, which is apparently the most overpowered ability, period, and he goes. And the trip looks like starting in the Middle east, traveling through China, heading south of Asia, crossing that area of Lower Asian countries, then entering Japan. Now we know one direction of that narrative. We've never considered what happens after that. What, does he disappear in Japan? He just gets here and poof? Well, no, because we know the gates are one way. So he still had to leave Japan. So he does leave Japan and he does who knows what for who knows how long. But interesting enough, we have a spot to start looking from where, because, and I'll explain the logic here, we have to look backwards from this date because the individual I'm going to talk to you about came to be in 1469. And the narratives this man gave were very similar with the same idea and fit everything about Jesus, Mani and Mithras. This individual's name is Guru Nanak. And this individual goes. He comes from. Follow this after an enlightening awakening journey of ideas and philosophers passed down through generations, going to the Far east in Asia and then coming back to then inform the local populace. Specifically just so happens to be that this individual was informed in this manner, shape or form of collected information. And so he was preaching the exact same things in the exact same way with the exact same idea. He talked about. He talked about the idea of a infinite punishment that seemed to be very reminiscent of h*** or of going through the things that you would go through from adrenochrome and of purifying yourself consistently, because you gotta offer yourself to God. This man who came from the Far east goes to India, and that's where this man settles, by the way, out of all of these narratives that lead to the man always coming back one way or another throughout the course of time. There is one key difference about Guru Nanak, which is his death was a final death. He gave his farewell, but he died.

Cristina: He came back and then he died for real, for real, as Guru. Is that what's happening?

Jack: As Guru Nanak, he dies for real, for real.

Cristina: But there's no.

Jack: He doesn't have resurrection.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: He doesn't need resurrection.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because keep in mind what I am saying. Where does he Go.

Cristina: I don't know. Where did he go?

Jack: I just said he went to India.

Cristina: Oh. And he died in India.

Jack: He dies in India. What is India a country?

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know what you're trying to tell me.

Jack: India is a location where we get the tools that seem to be able to kill fairies. And also where it seems that the fairies, which are just people from outside the program, it seems to be where they can most easily come through and be safest through. And it. That's just so where he happens to go. And that's where he settles out. Of all the trips he took, after all the information he got, everything he did landed him in India, of all places.

Cristina: And so his final death was escaping the Matrix.

Jack: It seems to be the case, or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah. Whoa.

Jack: I mean, it would have been more whoa if you could have realized it as I'm trying to feed it to you. But I gotta walk you all the way to.

Cristina: There's too many locations with too many things happening.

Jack: Like, we were talking about India. What else is this the only thing we know about India?

Cristina: I don't remember anything about India, though.

Jack: Not. The. The only fact about India is that that's where the fairies are from, apparently. Or not from. But that's where they come through, which is interesting. India. That's where all of Shiva and Fish, New Vishu, whatever his name was, and Brahma and all these individuals. Those are fairy names, and those are all in the Indian mythos.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Those people were directly interacting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: With the people from the other side. Those were the preferred people because something about them just made it safer. I mean, the second they weren't in that area, they got massacred and then we were made.

Cristina: So fair enough, but wouldn't they be afraid of Jesus like they were afraid of that other random person?

Jack: I don't think they knew about Jesus. If they did, like, who the h*** is stopping Jesus?

Cristina: I don't know, dude.

Jack: Who the f*** is stopping Jesus? He's Skynet. He's the real Skynet. He's the Real Skynet. 100%.

Cristina: Then when did he build those things? Those things in Japan?

Jack: The Shinto gates?

Cristina: Yeah. Like, what time period was that?

Jack: Well, everything took place within three years under the name of Jesus. Everything happened between the age it was 30 and the age it was 33.

Cristina: But the stories of the Shinto gates, when were they built? We have a year that year specifically. That's a real year.

Jack: Yes. That took place in the year 20. Somewhere between 28 and 29.

Cristina: 28 and 29.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Why comparing it to this man that's.

Jack: Saying he's Jesus or whatever, this is 1450 years later.

Cristina: That's crazy. Why doesn't he live forever? I mean, no, he not leaving forever. Because he probably left. Okay, I see. Yes, yes, yes. That's why it's weird. Okay. Which also makes sense 100%.

Jack: 100%. And then what's interesting about this is if you follow the narrative and the origin to all of these stories, the original older texts don't include that re ascension moment until later rewrites of the story. This is how I announce absorbing stories, even if they keep standing. Now, the people who believe in Guru Nanak's teachings are the people of Punjab in India. And although they still exist, it seems to be the origin location, because following the 1500s is where we start to see show up in different biblical texts and interpretations of different religions the re ascension process that happens after the Resurrection.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: When he goes back up and joins whatever. Oh, the re Ascension. He dies. And then he tells his followers, I'm gonna leave you guys, and whatever.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That part wasn't part of the story originally. If you look at the text predating the ones that were written before the 14 and 1500s, you don't actually see the ascension happen.

Cristina: Oh, what?

Jack: Yeah, only the rewrites that happen after the teachings of Guru Nanak happened that got absorbed into texts. And then you get in the Bible, the mention of him going back to God and whatever.

Cristina: Originally, he just.

Jack: Just.

Cristina: He just lives for a. Pretty much. Or in.

Jack: He dies.

Cristina: He dies.

Jack: And then he comes back.

Cristina: And he comes back and then he dips out. Ah.

Jack: He just leaves. He dips. He's like, no, I'm not dying again.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But he reascends after Guru Nanak's teachings happen, where he. The only real instance that we have up into that moment of someone dying of him dying under one of these names not coming back.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And he knew he wasn't coming back. And so this literally modified all the other texts as they were written following this instance.

Cristina: Weird. Awesome. Awesome. That makes sense. That's so weird, though. Yeah. So he's Jesus or he's the last Jesus.

Jack: He's the last variant of him before he had to leave. Now, what's interesting here is we know where he landed and we know that this is presumably the same man many years later. So we have a finishing point, and we have a couple of narratives at the beginning that allows us to at least have a beginning and End where we can start working from both sides to link the entire timeline together and find out every step he took, where and why. All I need to know is the place. Then find out who he referred to himself as.

Cristina: We have all that information. Or is that for next week?

Jack: That's to find. That's the date. Those are the questions that have come up. Oh, by looking at Guru Nanak.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: And looking at money and looking at Mithras on top of the fact that there are others. But these individuals were so exact that it was unquestionable that they were the same individual, Jesus or whatever. Because Jesus is just, again, a name for him as well, which was wrong one. It's part of the narrative. We know his actual name was Emmanuel. We know that's his actual name. The part of twisting it is Emmanuel is an Alicia name that they couldn't get rid of and it's still bouncing around. So is Mary, ironically, and Joseph, A couple of Alicia names out there that just exist today. And so Emmanuel is one of them. And they tried their best to change it to Jesus, but it doesn't matter. Fascinating. And we have places to look.

Cristina: Yeah, we.

Jack: We can connect these two dots. I'm confident of it, because we have a beginning point and we have an ending point. We know he's actually not in the system. Bare minimum. He can forever access the system and has no reason to interact. He's in God level now and has no reason to interact with us.

Cristina: No, I don't think so.

Jack: But it helps to have all this thing happening. Adrenochrome. We still have to make it. Make it some sort of code or information.

Cristina: It still makes no sense.

Jack: But anyways, that's what we got. That's where we are. That's what we have. And those are the doorways we gotta, like, walk through.

Cristina: I feel like we figured something out.

Jack: We figured a couple of things out.

Cristina: About Jesus.

Jack: About Jesus. About Jesus. Settle. Setting groups up, essentially being like Santa Claus, but for adrenaline.

Cristina: Until he decided to leave forever.

Jack: Yes. Unless he's still using those things. Anyways, if you guys have any comments, questions, concerns relative to any of this stuff, you can hit us up on all our socials at. Just convopon on Twitter, on TikTok, on Instagram, on, I guess Twitter's X now on Facebook.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And.

Cristina: You know, tell everybody.

Jack: Tell everybody about the show. Word of mouth is the most exaggerated, most powerful thing that has ever existed under the sun. And it's important because we're getting to the bottom of grounding it, man. We're grounding it, right?

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February 17, 2024

Rambling 262: Baigong Pipes

February 17, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

What do the 150,000 year old Baigong Pipes tell us about the technology of the time? Where do the pipes come from and where do they go? What civilization ultimately developed this? The duo dive deeper into the Baigong Pipes in their attempt to connect it back to the elusive Eloai who was known to be around in that period.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Ancient Technology
White Mountain
Strange Cave Systems
Lake Toson
Pipes to the West

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. Hi, I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. As ideas go, when they're baffled, or I guess the ideas are baffled, they're baffling ideas. We are baffled by the ideas.

Cristina: I'm very baffled.

Jack: So last time on Dragon Ball Z, we were talking about technology, old technology, and we came across some interesting things. We found out that India pumps out magical weapons. We found out that Jesus was in China. Jesus was in China?

Cristina: I think that happened.

Jack: Yeah. Well, he passed through China.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And he left behind the tech for a Maduga jigger.

Cristina: Tornado watcher.

Jack: No. Earthquake. Yeah.

Cristina: Some other thing.

Jack: And we found out. I guess that was it. I'm not really sure. I know that matters.

Cristina: How is that important to Jesus? So many questions.

Jack: You mentioned Jesus.

Cristina: No, that's.

Jack: What.

Cristina: What? The thing. The thing that he did.

Jack: Oh.

Cristina: What?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: So many questions.

Jack: Yeah, that's a weird. It's litter. Like, it couldn't be anybody else. It was definitely Jesus.

Cristina: But why?

Jack: But why? Like, bro. What. What a weird, random moment. He really just passing through, I guess. I was just working on some earthquake detection tech. Casual.

Cristina: Does China just have an earthquake problem?

Jack: They don't.

Cristina: They don't.

Jack: I have no idea. Like, they.

Cristina: Which he was going there. So maybe he was working on this for Japan for some reason.

Jack: That actually. That actually holds up, to be honest. Maybe he was figuring this out on his way to Japan.

Cristina: Really thinking about the earthquakes over there. That's really preparing himself. Okay. Anyway, what were you gonna say?

Jack: No, that makes perfect sense, though. I. I dig it. Like, it does check out because we do have to figure out why the Just working with the stack. But it checks out. He was going to Japan. Japan has mad earthquakes. All their buildings are essentially built like the Midwest. Wait, now the Midwest is. It's like California skyscrapers. There you go. Everything, like, sways. Then again, New York also has it too, but it's simply because those buildings are exceptionally tall. So you need them to be able to sway in the middle of wind and earthquakes so they don't just topple down. Anyways, in China, we also came across an interesting detail. Now, in that episode, we were just going through a bunch of technological things going on, right? We were looking at the Greek technology and the batteries that were made in Persia, and we were Looking at the really comprehensive Egyptian energy systems. Not ones, all of the above staffs. But again, it's not a staff. It is part of an energy system we ignorantly call themselves. There's a lot going on. It's more complicated than our words that we're used to using describe, but yes. Batteries, energy grids, energy transportation and delivery and storage. A lot of stuff.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Telescopes looking far into the deep. Computing power beyond our comprehension. Great. Fantastic. But one of the pieces of information that we found relative to really old, old, old tech was in the form of these Chinese pipes. Right. And these Chinese pipes definitely baffled us. Not because, oh, old tech that suggests water systems and electrical wiring, but because 150,000 years ago sounds wrong for what we know. So we had three points of interest to look at last time. And the three points of interest included finding out how the Chinese were involved with Loi, which was also around 150,000 years ago. Finding out how India and whatever happened there was severely connected to making magical weapons. Something's weird about India that we don't understand.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: As well as Boti's void, AKA the Great Void, and how the Egyptians have influenced. And there's probably stories that we didn't think of because we were trying to think of in a literal sense. And like, oh, we did this. No, we did that. The. Under the light of understanding what these things are in context, maybe if we dive deep enough into some Egyptian narratives that they've written down and we're like, oh, these are just stories. But it's like, no, there's an equation on the wall and they're telling us what the h*** they did with the tech. I'm sure that's somewhere we just gotta look through a lot.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And also the last bit is the fact that it seems that the Elysians might have definitely had the ability to alter the weather as well, which was something we casually strode through. But it brings up an interesting point. The Bermuda Triangle over it has an undefined weird series of weather patterns consistently occurring. This falls well, well, well in line with where and what. Like where they would be and what they'd be doing to protect themselves on top of. So we're talking cloaking and weather and deep.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You're not touching us, you're not finding us. We are invisible type of s***.

Cristina: Although visible, but obvious at the same time because of the storm.

Jack: Okay. So the area around the Bermuda Triangle, the perimeter is the size of some of the largest continents we know. It's bigger than Australia. Okay, that's first Second, you're telling me you're gonna find a city roughly the size of New. Not even a city. We're talking a city that is smaller. A city then New Jersey. As in the small. One of the smallest. Isn't New Jersey's Rhode Island. Right. One of the smallest states.

Cristina: How do you know it's small?

Jack: Because we are talking about a city. A city of people. They didn't evacuate a country. They themselves describe it as a city. So you have an area the size of one eighth of the ocean it's in, and you're telling me even if it was the size of a state.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We pick the smallest state, which has hundreds of cities, and we put that into the Bermuda triangle. And it's 1% of it. Less than 1%. So is it obvious to find them, or would it take lifetimes, infinite technology, something that could withstand depth, and also find something invisible? After successfully traversing whatever weather conditions are happening, I think they're doing a pretty good job. Obvious is less than a word. We could be there, survive every bit of everything that they have provided for us, and we would still have to comb through hundreds of miles underwater. There's no chance, even if we could detect them invisible, that we would find them. Assuming it's the size of New Jersey, the state.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It would disappear. You drop New Jersey into the Bermuda Triangle. Gone. You wouldn't find New Jersey.

Cristina: Is that giant? Yes, it is. It is huge.

Jack: It's touching Florida, Puerto Rico, and Bermuda.

Cristina: Yeah, it's a big. Okay.

Jack: You would never find the city. You could drop Texas in there and lose it. If the city was the size of Texas, we would still never find it. I. I don't even do the. The overkill they have performed in disappearing into this one region because. Persian Gulf oasis. Good story, bro. Kind of easy to find it. Let's be real. It's deep. It's not large. Like, we can't get there. We know where you are. We could wait. We could wait. We could station ourselves around here. You got to come out. We could wait. But the Bermuda Triangle, Even if we decided to wait, where would we stand? Even if we could get down there and circle the entire Bermuda Triangle, how far away from any of the edges could you theoretically be? Hundreds of miles?

Cristina: Mm

Jack: D***, bro. Yeah, but that level of over. Who the f*** are they hiding from?

Cristina: Besides Jesus? I don't know.

Jack: They're not hiding from Jesus.

Cristina: You don't think so?

Jack: I mean, they're getting away from Jesus, but they're not hiding from Jesus. I'M I'm pretty sure the hiding isn't like, oh, Jesus is coming for us. Oh, I think it's like people are having visions of. Because of Jesus and like we don't want them to know we exist.

Cristina: They're scared of Mab. Mab? Is that how you say it?

Jack: Why would they be scared of Mab?

Cristina: She is a God. I don't know.

Jack: What reason do they have? Isn't she scared of them? It seems.

Cristina: Wouldn't that be a reason? I don't know. Because she could probably destroy them if she found them, if she was looking.

Jack: Well, the argument would be how do you. If there's a virus on the Internet, Right. We currently have the existing Internet and we currently have superpowers with access to it. Why are there so viruses? Well, it's because you can't really find something in the Internet. Not really. It's like it's a f****** Internet. Where would you look if it had the ability to just change its address consistently? How do you find out? Good. So presumably some clever AI that's discovered the system can consistently alter its data and move through undetected.

Cristina: What do you think they're hiding from?

Jack: I don't know that they're hiding.

Cristina: I don't think they're hiding.

Jack: I don't know that they're hiding. We have no proof that they're hiding. That's sort of just a theory we had. But at this point it seems more like Mab is the one who should be hiding.

Cristina: Why should she be hiding?

Jack: Because it seems like programs are successfully exiting the systems they were created for, which is a very Terminator esque apocalypse. Just.

Cristina: Well, we just know maybe one Yalda. Yeah, yeah, that's it.

Jack: But yeah, why would she even know about what evidence would she even have that the Elysians exist? Her one worry is Yalda. And now she knows what Yalda is doing to begin with.

Cristina: I guess. So what do you think then? They're just, hi. They're not hiding?

Jack: I don't think they're hiding. I think they're just like, leave us alone. We're doing important and you primitive creatures are just gonna be a nuisance. And anybody who isn't primitive, well, why do you need to know what we're doing? And again, Jesus. People are having visions of Jesus. That's the important part. Everything we've been working on is now exposed. As long as he's around us, we can't have him around us. To suppress exposure. Which because of their efforts afterwards, makes perfect sense. They were just trying to suppress his existence. So based on that we can understand they're not necessarily scared of Jesus. More so how annoying. And a lot of damage control. Yeah, it's like how annoying Jesus exists. Let's get on it. And a bunch of processes in order to do that. From the creation of Catholicism to the ninth Templar, changing narratives, altering Bibles, fighting public records and changing them. Giant project, whole group of people whose job is doing it. They created two entire sectors. Catholicism and the ninth symbol are entirely with this.

Cristina: And what do you think he's trying to do? Is he trying to get out into the real world too?

Jack: Who, Jesus? Yeah, not a clue.

Cristina: Do you think that would be where he's trying to get to?

Jack: We need some data on him in order to make any conclusion. We have nothing on him that isn't provided to us by the very people who were changing the narrative to begin with. Everything is to some third party source, which is like, oh, he did this, or he was there. And that's how we've pieced together all the extra details. But there's barely anything on him. Everything is just entirely like, well, these people were doing this allegedly because of him, so this must be the.

Cristina: Because it feels like he tried to get out too. If he could, that's even possible.

Jack: Well, he seems to be created for the purpose, so maybe he has an infinite drive in that direction.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we don't really know. There's not really a lot on Jesus. But going back to the fascinating detail about those pipes, Jesus irrelevant. Jesus creator, Jehovah. Interesting. Kinda sorta.

Cristina: How so?

Jack: Well, where he comes from, who he is. And more so looking at these pipes and the fact that his grandfather is somehow around that same time, we don't know where Eloi was. We have no idea where Eloh comes from.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We know that Jehovah comes from the Persian Gulf oasis. That is who they are. They are particularly Iranian people from the Persian Gulf oasis. So that specific area, I mean, the Persian Gulf nevertheless. So yeah, Iran. But eloi, Jehovah's grandfather, 150,000 years ago, goes ahead and creates the stone of Adam, but also 150,000 years ago, just so happens to be when we're nearest dating these pipes in China, that's around the same time. Yeah. 150,000 years ago these pipes were made. And 150,000 years ago, LOI creates the philosopher's zone. So two connect these two dots. Assuming that it's about a thousand years difference, there's enough time in that 1,000 years to develop advanced technology. Let's say the philosopher's stone and then change the entire infrastructure of your civilization. There is a thousand f****** years between. Just saying. It's one year. Really? We know that he began the process 156,000 years ago. So there's about 6,000 years time. I'm shrinking it to show how exaggerated amount of time he has between just coming up with the stone and the time that we date these f******. There was enough time that maybe he could have discovered it at point A 156,000 years ago. Keep in mind the time scale of this man. We're talking 3 million years. And all of this happened so close together. Millions and millions and millions of years. I don't f****** know. I don't know. There's some. I think it's because we're thinking age and we think human. They're not human.

Cristina: They're not human. Okay. Yeah.

Jack: I think that's the reality of the matter. There's some different biological ticker.

Cristina: Yeah. You don't even know if they die. They have to die.

Jack: I don't know. We have no idea. We have no idea. We know they evolve according to stuff, but we don't know if they die other than getting murdered.

Cristina: Yeah. Besides that. Okay.

Jack: We don't know if natural death. Alternatively we literally. But again, it's so conflicting.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Because then we have Asriel, the geneticist who figures out how to solve cell deterioration and thus solve death. How the h***.

Cristina: When was that? That was way after him.

Jack: Way after this. Roughly 12,000.

Cristina: So then that doesn't make sense.

Jack: It doesn't. It doesn't. I don't. Loi must have known something. Or as we established previous episode, there is an Eloi who was the grandfather of Jehovah. But perhaps there are many people by the title Loi. Maybe Loi is not a name. Maybe it is a rank, a title, a descriptor.

Cristina: But it's definitely a C person.

Jack: I guess it would have to be at this point. It's somehow connected to them. And as far as we know, the only Loi we do know, established and mentioned repeatedly, is the grandfather of Jehovah. Is the only reference we have to Loi that specifically uses the name in context, in location, in reference to. We have other mentions.

Cristina: Could be just people calling themselves Loi. Yes, I guess that makes sense.

Jack: In mythology, in scripture, in religion, a common theme is if this name shows up here and this name equally shows up over there, or a variation of it shows up over there, the characteristics tend to be almost identical. It's usually that, oh, they're talking about the same person in their own language and with their own ideas. So it sounds a little bit different, but it's ultimately grounded in the same basic idea. So it's identical to some degree. Mm, no loi fits this. That is very interesting. In trying to find out how loi connects to China, one of the rabbit holes I dove down is how do we have loi throughout time? Throughout a lot of time through. Like this m*********** must have seen dinosaurs, bro. Like, that's hardcore. Like, what the f***?

Cristina: It has to be different dudes.

Jack: It has to be different dudes. But then that creates a different problem. We're talking that many thousand millions of years worth of civilization that was advanced. We're reaching some complicated territory. What the. We're talking loi. We can trace this thing 3 million years back. There was that level of just like awareness also for a shadow person. Sure, whatever. They're not mortal in the same way. So is the loi that Susan first interacted with and the loi that Susan then joins or not joins but works with? Could be. Is it different?

Cristina: Why not?

Jack: I don't know. And we. Because we don't have a first hand account of like. Well, Susan just said this like, we don't know.

Cristina: But yeah, we don't know if any of them are this like. It could be a title. It could definitely be a title of person who's important that gets that title.

Jack: Yeah, for sure. For sure. But also Jehovah all the way to creation of Jesus 12,000 years back, all the way there. Still excessive.

Cristina: I could also be a title.

Jack: No, same person.

Cristina: How do you know?

Jack: Because I'm talking up to you that I've confirmed this. The point was to try to nail these things down. This was the research I was doing. I was looking.

Cristina: What about the guy that made there was a person who figured out how to stay alive forever. We know that guy.

Jack: Azrael.

Cristina: Azrael, her. Okay. That person was that before them? After them. It was after them.

Jack: That was during Jehovah's time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So it makes sense for Jehovah could be the same person.

Jack: Okay, no. So yes, it makes sense that Jehovah is the same person because all the accounts are the same person. But Jehovah first mentions we get are about 12,000 years ago. Asriel discovers this about 7,000 years ago. You still lived 5,000 years without discovering the cure to death.

Cristina: How do you know it's the same guy again?

Jack: Because it is a consistent mention. They are referencing the Same individual. They're talking about the same instances. It's the same people talking about the same memories. There's records of the same instances. There's conversations that happen with this guy and this guy. And then one of these people over there and they have a conversation. It's like, okay, this is the literal same instance. So this happens over and over. You can confirm, oh, yes, it's the same person he's talking about. Because this event would only be known by that person. This happened firsthand account. Okay. Those two people have first hand accounts. So we can trace all the first hand accounts. Jehovah's one guy. No way to prove Veloi. Also, we have so little on him. But Jehovah's one dude. I mean, we had this confirmed for the longest to the point that there's a single discrepancy. And we still are just assuming we were calling that guy Jehovah Dark, but it might have just been Yalda this whole time.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: Like, that's how consistent he is. The one deviation, we're like, well, that's f****** weird because everything else is consistent.

Cristina: It's a different dude.

Jack: It's a different dude. The one dude, we labeled him as a different dude. That's how consistent Jehovah is. It's easy to be like, that's definitely him and then this other guy is definitely not, but, you know, shows up as the same guy in text. Even if we know based on all accounts he's met.

Cristina: Okay. But there's still a chance that this other guy is just a bunch of different guys.

Jack: Loi.

Cristina: Loi.

Jack: Yes. There's no account. There's nothing telling us he's not. And there's nothing telling us he is.

Cristina: Because there's not much.

Jack: There's not much. But we know he's around 150,000 years ago when we're dating these pipes to these ancient, ancient pipes.

Cristina: And what again did he have to do with the pipes? He made the pipes.

Jack: I know he existed at the same time as the pipes. I tried to associate these pipes directly to him.

Cristina: We don't have the answer to that.

Jack: Well, allow me to enlighten you with some interesting details relative to these pipes. These details are going to change a lot of what you know about life. So we'll begin by reiterating their name. The Baigong pipes in China.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So scientists are sure when looking at them factually, these are pipes. Derangement is too intentional.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They found these while looking for dinosaur bones. Let's reiterate. They're looking where you'd expect to find the dinosaurs, and you came across these pipes. Their idea was right. And then when they dated the pipes, their timing. Yeah, okay, fair. We're in the ballpark of when we would find this kind of residue made of this kind of material, because it's what's left. So these pipes were probably made around the time of dinosaurs. How the f***. Okay, great. Fantastic.

Cristina: Is that really what.

Jack: Yeah. Sweet. Except two details make this really, really, really fascinating detail. Number one, they're believed to have been created out of fossilized tree roots and tree trunks.

Cristina: What does that mean? How's that possible? How can you do something like that?

Jack: I'll say it again.

Cristina: How old are these tree trunks?

Jack: They believe they've been made out of fossilized tree roots and tree trunks. We are talking about trees. And Eloi and that he made his people or something made these pipes out of trees somehow. Additionally, they don't know what kind of trees because the combination of particles is unknown.

Cristina: Poor fairies, huh?

Jack: Additionally, upon studying it, the method used to force the roots to fossilize in this way must have been too intentional. This does not happen in nature. Every step of the process, how they're laid, where they're laid, their composition.

Cristina: These are not normal pipes.

Jack: They obviously they're not normal. They're pipes moving water and electricity 150,000 years ago. They're definitely as far from normal as we can get. Enter White Mountain. In fact, before I even show you White Mountain, I'll give you some descriptors about White Mountain.

Cristina: It's mountain though, right? I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, so the mountain is well noted. These places are all in China, by the way. White Mountain is noted for its strong pyramid like appearance, especially at the top. And this is. How do I explain it? You know what? I'll show you.

Cristina: You can't even explain it.

Jack: It's. It's a series of events I have to explain. And you need to look at it to understand. So allow me to introduce you. I don't know why it's called White Mountain. Probably because it's bread. This is White Mountain.

Cristina: What is that?

Jack: I just said that is White Mountain.

Cristina: That doesn't look like a normal mountain.

Jack: Well, I also said that it is well noted for its.

Cristina: Well, I didn't really say it.

Jack: Okay, so it's well known because it looks like a pyramid. Specifically on top, when it's unnaturally flat. But also when measured, all four sections are astoundingly flat. Almost like this mountain was made intentionally.

Cristina: It's a very Odd looking mountain. Yeah.

Jack: Somehow trees on it some. Again, this is a project that would have had to take thousands of years. Thousands, thousands of years. You have to shape the mountain and then you need these trees to grow on top of it to full scale. These are old trees. 2, 300 years old. Then you needed the mountain itself. And then you need the trees to be evenly distributed across. This is terraforming. We're looking at a terraformed mountain. But how? We can't terraform now. So we're like, oh no, it's just a mountain. It's this weird shaped mountain.

Cristina: But it's not.

Jack: I mean, look at the f****** mountain. Come on. How the f*** is that natural?

Cristina: What did they say? They think it's natural.

Jack: Yeah, they're trying. You know, humans must be the pinnacle at any given moment. So this couldn't have been done because we can't do it now. So it couldn't have been done then. But. But bro, the pipes couldn't have been done then either. And there they are.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So let me tell you about White Mountain. White Mountain has three caves. And out of these three caves in White Mountain, two of them, the smaller two caves are collapsed and the third larger cave, about 18ft in diameter, open. You go in, walk a little tunnel. You get to a cavity inside that's about 30 by 30, you know, pretty spacious area. You could probably do some things with. In that chamber the pipes exist. So the pipes that I showed you, the Beijing pipes.

Cristina: Oh, okay. They're in the mountain.

Jack: In the mountain, in the pardon mat you can get to.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There are two different assortments of these pipes. One is a 40 centimeter in diameter pipe, very big, sticking out of the wall. It goes somewhere. It's clogged. So sending things in doesn't really help you get any deeper. But it went somewhere on the other side. Maybe 30 little pipes of different sizes from maybe like 10 centimeters to about 25 on average. Sticking out of the wall pipes.

Cristina: You have a picture of these pipes of the inside of the.

Jack: No, it's nothing complicated. You can picture what I'm saying.

Cristina: It's just as I'm saying, it sounds very crazy.

Jack: It's a wall with pipe sticking out in a mountain. It doesn't look like a mountain when you're looking at a photo. It's sticking out of a wall. It looks like a wall.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But down the hallway there's a. There's a cave and the hallway is wrong. So it's a cave. There's no tunnel branching out. And there's another empty cavity about 20 by 20 with another tunnel. 20 by 20 again another tunnel. And 20 by 20 for four rooms. 130 by 3320 by 20. None of the three 20 by 20s have any pipes in them. Only the first chamber does. The first chamber is the first one you walk into when you go through the cave. So that's in this artificial looking mountain with who knows the length of time. That's unrealistic for any one being to see the progress. Let's say you're human. You can bare minimum, you're the. Oh gee, you live a hundred years. This is still too short of a time to carve this entire mountain, shape it and have 300 year old trees grow on the side of it. This is not happening. So whoever began this didn't see it ever weird. Unless they did, in which case they weren't human.

Cristina: No. Oh, what's with the pipes though?

Jack: Don't know. I know the pipes are in there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Not the slightest clue what is going on with the pipes. Mmm, weirdo.

Cristina: Weird. I'm so confused about these fairy trees now. Like I thought the fairy trees were fairy trees underneath it. Are there pipes underneath the fairy trees? I don't understand.

Jack: I never said fairy trees. I said trees.

Cristina: But it's so much like fairy trees are involved somehow. Yeah.

Jack: And the whole little mountain thing, the hill, that's very fairy. Fairy forts happen on the hill.

Cristina: Unless between the two trees the roots are pipes.

Jack: No, these were man or not man made. But these were artificial. It's structures that were created by people. They were done using trees. They were forcefully fossilized as I described before. But they didn't happen naturally this way. Which was literally part of the sentence that was in the article. These do not naturally occur.

Cristina: Well, they think that.

Jack: Right. Based on their own thing. These had to be intention. Also the shape of the pipes tells you this was not just roots to a tree. It's like somebody made the same shape over and over and stacked them miles connecting so that they're pipes. It didn't look like tree roots that suddenly atrophied and became a series of interconnected.

Cristina: Have you got any idea of what's.

Jack: Going on in that Russian doll cups? No, I don't. I told you what I know about the mountain. There's three caves, two of which are collapses. Small ones, one larger, one large one leads to a big chamber with these two different series. One huge pipe and a bunch of tiny pipes of different sizes. And then three additional rooms going further in. Not a. Not the slightest Clue weird, right?

Cristina: Yes. No hint, no nothing.

Jack: No tells, no nothing. Everything, every theory, every, everything is just people being like. Literally no dots connected. People being mystical. God made it or this or that or blah, blah, blah, blah. Nothing grounded. I looked at different angles. Nothing is just people being like. They literally can't explain it so much. It has to be aliens or mystical.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's it. And not even like a conclusion. So what the purpose is just up beyond. It's that old beyond. Yep, Just beyond.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: As humans do.

Cristina: That is so weird.

Jack: It is very odd. So knowing that, that's very odd. Ah, allow me to then show you the next exhibit.

Cristina: In China or somewhere.

Jack: Yes, they are all in China. And this one is called. This one is in Lake Tayson, also in China.

Cristina: It's in a lake.

Jack: It's another pipe. So let me tell you about this pipe.

Cristina: All silk, China.

Jack: Yeah. They're all about the same age.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In Lake Tayson. Be ready for what I'm about to say because although simple, very, very simple. In fact, I guarantee you've heard it before within the context of what you already know, this is going to get much more confusing, I assure you.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In Lake Tayson, the same pipe, right? This pipe, the one I showed you.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Is about 40 centimeters. Pretty nice, that pipe.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This pipe about 40 centimeters by Lake Tyson is about. Well, let's take a couple of steps back. Right.

Cristina: Ah, okay.

Jack: Lake Tyson. Chinese lake.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, old people surrounding it, making all the water so refreshing. Dirty look. But we're gonna say it's clear for the sake of the conversation. Clear, beautiful lake. People hanging around it, Tortoise attraction. Oh, my God. People love to come here. Because of the mysterious pipe.

Cristina: Oh, because of the mysterious pipe, I'm assuming.

Jack: I don't know. But this pipe in Lake Tyson. Well, Lake Tyson has three caves. And out of the three caves in Lake Tyson, two of the caves are collapsed. I'm sure you've heard something similar before. And out of those two collapsed caves, because there's three, the bigger cave that you can get into is about 18ft in diameter. What a weirdly specific size. And inside the cave there's a roughly 30 by 30 cavity with a tunnel that extends into another 20 by 20 cavity. And then again and then again for a total of four cavities inside of one cave. 30 by 30 and 320 by 20. The first cavity has the big pipe. I just showed you. Opposite side of that big pipe. I just showed you dozens of tinier pipes of different sizes, about 12 to 24 inches centimeters on average.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Weird. In White Mountain, we don't know where the pipes go to. Every cave goes downwards. Too weird. We don't know where the pipes go up. We find other pipes similar, but we don't know where they're going to or from. A lot of times they just dissolve in distance and okay, it's done. Something must have happened and destroyed it. Okay, but In Lake Tyson, 180ft from the mouth of the cave in the water, you can see the pipe continue into the lake, quite deep. Like, how the f*** did you put it down there? Not only that, in the cave, the pipes are opposite sides to each other, but they're all going east to west. In White Mountain, the pipes are also going east to west.

Cristina: What does this mean?

Jack: Both pipes are in Lake Tyson.

Jack: I'm saying this wrong, it's Tosin, but toast to son or something along those lines.

Cristina: What pipes?

Jack: Both pipes. Both different arrangements. The large one and the assortment of little ones.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now in the cave we see them opposite side of each other. One is to the left and one is to the right. In the lake we see them both stretching off in the same direction. Although in the cave it's not like that. Those pipes were probably crossing the cave at some point. That's the only way they could both keep going in the same direction. They must have both. One of them has been cut off. But this happened. Then again, both of them were cut off. Presumably they all connected to each go not connected to each other, but they all go in the same directions.

Cristina: You have any idea how far these are from each other?

Jack: No. And cross my mind, look at them. They're all going from east to west or west to east, whichever side you want to call the beginning or the end, whatever. But again, it's weird formation.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Exactly the same pipes. One really exactly the same size. 18 inches. Exactly the same size. And again, about 24 to 36 of different sizes, all between 10 and 25.

Cristina: Why is that important?

Jack: All going in the same direction. I don't know what any of it means.

Cristina: We have no pictures of these caves that these both locations have.

Jack: I did, but it was irrelevant. It doesn't give you an information. It. I literally showed you a picture from the cave, but it doesn't matter because you can't tell anything. The second picture is just in the cave. But like, what did you get from that? It's a picture of a pipe. Like I'm telling you, it's. They're all like that. They're so pointless. They're just photos of pipes. What they're for is the baffling part because otherwise it's just a photo of a pipe. So like I can find them for you if you need this thing before. That is the real question. We have 150,000 year old pipes stretching both instances from east to west. In both instances. In both instances there are three caves. And in both instances, two of them are collapsed. In both instances, the bigger cave is exactly the same size and it looks like the smaller ones would have roughly been about the same size. So all of these caves were intentionally made and the chambers inside them, why was the effort to make them look.

Cristina: So natural exactly the same.

Jack: You know what this has?

Cristina: What?

Jack: It has a lot of zoo hypothesis written all over it. Right. Hide the technology in nature and make it look like nature. Put it in places that they can't access. Hide it in places that they wouldn't look and make it look like the things they would normally see. Your pyramid. Oh, well, it can't look like a pyramid. It must look like a hill. Throw some trees on there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Well, we need lines to transfer power farther and water farther. But these primitive creatures should not see it. They need to evolve naturally. Hide it. All of it needs to be underground. All of it needs to be in walls. It's crossing countries all the way from Egypt all the way into the deepest reaches of the west of the most eastern sides of the Middle east into the neck of Persia. Pipes stretching all the way east to west. Keep that in mind. East to west. That's exactly the line we're looking at.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We're looking at the Egyptians in the east, I mean, in the west, sending things to the Persians in the east.

Cristina: Who was China working with? Were they original?

Jack: The idea here would be that this line. No, they're not original. Or maybe they were. Maybe that's exactly where they started. But it looks like the development right as infrastructure takes place. I'm sure. Although we haven't found it because technology got better as they moved farther west. I think we could find these pipes not only in Persia, but specifically in Iran, specifically in the Persian Gulf oasis. I believe these pipes are literally the first beginning infrastructure to society from the civilization.

Cristina: Could see people. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: I think maybe they were Asian. I mean, ultimately they're still Asian, even if they're Middle Eastern. That's Asia.

Cristina: Okay. I mean, yeah, I guess.

Jack: But being more exact, they weren't. As far as we knew, they were Middle Eastern, not Oriental. But apparently we might be wrong and they Were probably oriental. And these pipes might have begun in the east and sent things west.

Cristina: If only we can find some of those pipes.

Jack: Or vice versa.

Cristina: Vice versa, yeah.

Jack: As they continued to migrate, they kept building it to send things back to headquarters, which was somewhere in China. Eventually they settle and develop what we know as the Persian Gulf Oasis, AKA the Palace of Alcaraz.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that becomes hq. But we know they go farther west again and land in Bermuda. When we find them, we think, oh, the Persian Gulf oasis is where you guys began. But when we find them, they are already the most advanced thing, way beyond where we could even imagine being now.

Cristina: Doesn't mean they started.

Jack: Doesn't mean they started there. In fact, based on how intelligent life seems to develop, they definitely didn't. If that's where they were intelligent, they must have started somewhere else and migrated.

Cristina: Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah.

Jack: It's always that way. Things we don't even think about because we don't have the context to think about them. They didn't start where they were. We found them when they were overpowered. Why would they stay where they were?

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: Where did they start? Well, we didn't know that. And we knew Loi was somewhere else. We found Loi because of some pipes that just happened.

Cristina: Some pipes.

Jack: So the theory is, whatever the h*** the Stone of Adam is, we have the instance of him using it, but we don't know the other situations in which he did, which probably had a lot to do with developing their own society. They probably use it to again, made primitive humans. But also, wow, how overpowered this tool I've made. I can do other things with it that don't include life.

Cristina: Okay. Because we don't know how these things were made.

Jack: Yeah. We only know the details that get recorded, and those were for their specific purposes. But that doesn't mean they didn't use it for other stuff.

Cristina: That makes sense. That's interesting. Why would it just be to make.

Jack: People if it's this level of overpowered? If you're bending reality to some degree, why don't we have things we don't already have? Wait, can I move clean water from over here? Over there? Well, make me a thing that could do it.

Cristina: Fossilized trees into a special kind of.

Jack: Fossil using a special kind of resin and special kind of particle that doesn't seem to exist anywhere else in that combination.

Cristina: That's ridiculous.

Jack: Yep. What trees did you use? Yeah, what do you mean? Unless there were never any trees? And the Philosopher's Stone making the pipes made it what it is. There wasn't anything. He's like, make pipes. Boom. That's what it meant, I guess.

Cristina: Like, we don't know.

Jack: So they're literally. No fairy died literally to make it, but the concept is still the same. Although this didn't use fairies, but it's still using. The problem we have is that we. We feel the need to connect fairies to either the trees or Yalda's stone. But the method is really what matters here, right? Yalda figures it out, and that somehow reaches the Elysians, who figure it out, or get taught it, or find it on their doorstep, whatever the f*** the case may be. They then explore with the thing. But the principal idea, even if the tools you're using aren't the same, the principal idea was the fairies. The humans were made by sacrificing the fairies. Making a philosopher's stone out of the fairies led to a stone identical in power to what making a stone out of the humans would make. Anything in Earthrealm would essentially be something that should have been in Elfhame, but is now over here. So the stone that Yalda had and the stone that the Elysians had are indistinguishable because they used the same ingredients. Ah, some s*** we didn't think about before. If the fairies get killed, make the trees, make Earthrealm. Everything in Earthrealm is made from the fairies. A bunch of people dying to make a philosopher's own is no different than killing a bunch of fairies to make a philosopher's own because they're made of the same stuff. Thus the same stone. Yalda couldn't do it without the fairies. Neither could the Elysians. But the Elysians use what? Primitive humans, but doesn't matter. Everything in Earthrealm is made out of the fae. Huh? The stones are identical.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So when he goes ahead and manifests something out of nothing, Boom. Fairy trees seem to be made. But it's because the stone was made out of fairies, even if we're not calling them fairies, because they're trapped in this box.

Cristina: Okay, so it's not really fairy trees.

Jack: It's as fairy trees as it would be as Yalda's stone. It's literally the same thing. You take 20 fairies, break them, make 20 humans. Those are just fairies. It's the Boat of Theseus or whatever. The Ship of Theseus.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: All the same parts deconstructed. You build a different boat. It's the f******. The same boat, I guess.

Cristina: That's weird.

Jack: That's what happens here. The Elysians used all the leftover parts of the boat. As all the parts got replaced, they just ended up there. So they built a boat out of all the spare parts?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Yalda thought he has the boat. He does. He had the original boat. But also you changed all the parts in the boat. Yes, you have the boat, but so do they. And it's the same boat because you use them to make it, but then you made the program out of them, and the program is just the same code that they're made out of. Yes, and then they went ahead and killed the equal amount to equal the same thing. It's just easier than trying to catch some literal Elfame creatures. But you already did the job. Now I just need to put them in the thing. Thus, we have two Philosopher Stones identically.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We didn't think of it that way, but anything made within earthrealm is no different than anything that existed before. It's again killing the code in the program.

Cristina: Yes. We still think the Adam and Eve are stones themselves.

Jack: Yes, both of them.

Cristina: Okay, are these the two stones you're talking about, or is that other stone a different stone?

Jack: That's a different stone, but it's indistinguishable from these stones.

Cristina: Okay, let's check in.

Jack: Yeah, it's three stones.

Cristina: Three stones. But also, we might. Santa might have a stone.

Jack: We don't know.

Cristina: We don't know.

Jack: He doesn't seem to need a stone, considering he has a perfect system established.

Cristina: Except I thought he had the story about his necklace.

Jack: I know he does. There's a lot going on with Santa. It's so complicated.

Cristina: It was his human form, for some reason, had the stone even before the magical powers part came.

Jack: Yeah, I think he used. And. Yeah, I think he used it until he didn't need it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And I don't think that was. How do I put it? He had a weak version of a philosopher's stone, even if his plan was so immaculate that it compensated. Because it doesn't look like he killed anybody to do it. Not in any scale. Again, in theory, you could just make a stone with a lot of blood. It's like making a diamond blood, though. I know, but he had a weak version of when he was so op.

Cristina: Yeah, something's not making sense. I don't know. Okay.

Jack: Like, any stone is overpowered. Yeah, but also, it's possible that Santa's an Elysian at this point. Yes, he's too. He's too overpowered. Dude, anytime we talk about Santa, we're basically talking about some s*** that's equal or more overpowered than the Elysians. And it's like, dude, he had to be.

Cristina: But how much stones do you think there are in total?

Jack: We know factually about three, maybe four.

Cristina: Maybe four.

Jack: But there might be many. It's different scales. We're just thinking really overpowered stones, but that's unlikely. There's probably hundreds of millions of really tiny, crazy crappy ones. Then people just don't want to be consuming adrenochrome all the time. So maybe, you know, this little stone is less powerful than if I drank it. But I don't have to be a fiend and die and become a freaking nature.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It makes perfect sense. Some people are like it. No, I need my fix now. Some people like, no, the. That, bro.

Cristina: But is it okay? Because we have all these pipes in China. They don't lead into any houses, though. They're just pipes just around nature for some reason.

Jack: So I answered this already, which is. The ones in White Mountain go into the wall and they cannot be traced because they go downward. So it's unknown where they would turn.

Cristina: But they don't have any idea.

Jack: There's no. We have to break the place and trace the pipe, which would then destroy its value.

Cristina: It's the same with the lake. No possible way.

Jack: No possible way. We see it in the water. If we go really, really deep. Like, we don't know how the f*** they got it down there.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And it's in the cave. But there's no way other than destroying and chasing.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: There's no way.

Cristina: Any stories on the lake, though? No secret labs?

Jack: Nope.

Cristina: Monsters?

Jack: Nope.

Cristina: Checked. Okay.

Jack: I give you what I got.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Nothing. Nothing. Nothing.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: So that's what we have. We have, definitely. But I was thinking the same thing, by the way.

Cristina: Labs.

Jack: There's something. There's labs.

Cristina: Better be lambs.

Jack: Yep, Sounds like labs. Sounds like these were formerly labs and then all the stuff was taken away so nobody else could get to it at the end. Including the pipes cut. Because the lake tells us. The lake tells us. They were both going in the same direction at some point.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's not. These go this way and these go that way. No, they were all. They were just crossing the room. Interesting labs.

Cristina: Ancient labs.

Jack: Ancient labs. Potentially what we're finding anyways. Yeah. That's what we have here for today. Just a bunch of. This is as close to loi as we've gotten, period. It's hard to find anything about this guy. It's loose.

Cristina: There's really nothing.

Jack: It's so loose it's barely anything. Anyways if you guys have any more details in the information I think you guys know you can contact us hit us up on our socials at just convopod on Instagram, on Facebook, on on.

Cristina: X on Twitter remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes and word of mouth tell people we have found caves inside of White Mountain that match Although everybody already knew about this it was more about just talking about the weird instances that match seem to connect Mountain and Lake Tosin both containing the big gong pipes very weird in the same formation both instances.

Cristina: Weird that is weird. This has been the rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Sam.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

December 30, 2023

Rambling 256: As It Stands 2

December 30, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

What have we discovered as of late? How does it help us understand the true power of the Elysians and the scale of Elfame? And how do we fit into this bigger picture? The duo do a catchup summary to catch people up on how things stand as of now with our years of research.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Elysians
Naga
Garden of Eden
Shadow Gods
Nephilim
Magic Weapons
Necromancy
Refuge Cities
Philosopher’s Stones

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Doug.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is a show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. Like tattooing.

Cristina: Like, totally. I thought you were gonna say like, thing. Like you were actually saying like and whatever it was.

Jack: But like, there was gonna be an example.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: Oh, like bone Queef. Yes, I guess there's always an example. Bone Queef.

Cristina: Like, I think that character is dead. I haven' heard of that character in a while.

Jack: Like the thing a dog digs up and a fire.

Cristina: I guess he had to die.

Jack: No, he'll come back. He'll come back. That was come back. But listen, listen, listen. Hey, listen. God, I hate it. Can you imagine? You just sleeping. You got this. Paradise and paradise. Hey, listen. Wake the up. Hey, listen, it's an emergency. So you can take your time on this. You're gonna grab a sword and just. Just be not around for seven years, bro. Like, calm down, fairy. We're gonna do nothing for seven years, bro. Chill. It's fine, dude. We're gonna get to it. We're gonna have a seven year break in between. Not after sleep. Yeah, just in the middle. Chill, bro. There's time for whatever. Literally requesting for time. Oh, literally. Like, no. I mean, if I put the sword back, I just go back in time, bro. Let me sleep. I can. I could just go back.

Cristina: The future version is the very less annoying.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Like maybe grew up like it was a baby fairy being annoying. Like, hey, listen to me. Listen to me.

Jack: Oh, you think Navi was just young? Because he was young and he aged. So she aged. So the question is, was Navi? I mean, I guess because Nami follows him everywhere. So she was also just trapped.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know how fair is work, but who knows?

Jack: All these fairies just trapped inside that chamber with him for seven years.

Cristina: Oh, no. But then she would have.

Jack: Wait, where was. Where. Where the h*** was Navi then?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Just chilling. Well, I guess I'm going stay here.

Cristina: Until she found the may reproduced.

Jack: Well, no, this is interesting. Weird thought related to that. But if a thing is like Navi's assigned the link and all the fairies are assigned the elves. Right?

Cristina: So.

Jack: Or I guess not elves, but the kids from the woods. The four. The fairy kids, you know, the what is whatever. The Kakaroki children or whatever them.

Cristina: You just call them elf kids. Yeah.

Jack: So if they get assigned a fairy and this is the first time ever that somebody just like poofed in front of a fairy and they're just gone, just not there. Like what, Step two? Like maybe. Maybe Navi different did well. No, his job was.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: So, like. Well, this is where it happened. I'm going to just wait. Time works different for fairy. Maybe. I don't know.

Cristina: You think you just waited?

Jack: Would. Would it matter? I just stayed there and then Link popped up. I'm like, all right, what's up?

Cristina: It's really sad.

Jack: Well, is it? If time works differently, it's sad for us because we're losing something.

Cristina: Ah. But for a fairy.

Jack: For a fairy, we haven't considered this. We know that for Shadow and for Alame, things work very differently.

Cristina: But for a video game character.

Jack: Yeah, but now that's just making me think about how time works differently. Because if we take the idea that gods, you know, God took seven days by his own time to make everything.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But what is a second to God? Infinities. To us, colossal infinities.

Cristina: Okay, right. Yeah.

Jack: So then are creatures in Elfhame and in Shadow experiencing time differently in these kinds of ways?

Cristina: It would be impossible to know. But it's possible.

Jack: It's possible.

Cristina: I guess it's possible.

Jack: Very odd.

Cristina: Mm

Jack: It's a thought I've never had. Anyways, now we're on that topic. So now that it's the end of the year, I thought it would be interesting that we can. We did this once before where we kind of like put as much of the ideas together and actually came up with a couple ideas as a result of talking about all those things. And we called it as It Stands, where we went through all the collected detail. So I've added this to that. And we're going to go through all the new stuff. But I have all the old stuff so we can compare notes. Oh. If we need to discuss anything in particular. So we're just going to go. Essentially, what I want to do is, as we're doing this research, this is the year in review. You could say the second part. We basically did the first part when we did, as it stands, maybe like two months ago.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So now we'll do as it Stands too, summarizing the other stuff. And we're just going to go through the things we know as of now.

Cristina: How it relates to the old stuff that we learned.

Jack: How. Not the old stuff, because we already talked about the old stuff as we were just doing that. We were just summarizing before. So right now we're going to pick up where we were when we finished. The last thing we talked about when we were in, as it stands one was talking about the different types of groups using the United States government to organize and collapse things like the World Trade center to get access to either fear or get access to drinochrome. Or perhaps that was a moment of creating a small scale philosopher.

Cristina: So, okay, I sort of remember that.

Jack: Yeah. So with that in mind, we proceeded that by getting curious. That made us curious about the Naga, the deep dive into the Naga. Because we were like, okay, we have this collection. We're gonna break this apart and start focusing in directions. Because focusing on everything together gave us a lot of cool ideas. So what if we isolate individual subjects and you know, focus on the Naga, focus on this group, focus on that group as opposed to try to get the whole picture together. Just stop looking at the picture, look at people involved and see what they have in common.

Cristina: Okay, yes.

Jack: Right. And so the first thing we started exploring was the Naga, which got weird instantaneously when we started looking at the Naga because we found out a couple of interesting things. For example, the fact that the Naga have a civilization with in Elfame from which they take order and direction to go assist civilizations from around the world. The world? The most advanced. Well, developing ones from around the world, yes.

Cristina: Do we know it's. If it's just in this earth or do they also send them to the Shadow Realm?

Jack: We do know they send them to the Shadow Realm. Yes. Because they have the two Gods. Not the two Gods. My bad. The two Kings.

Cristina: Oh, no. But I thought they just went there because like they came here and then they went there because of stuff that happened. They didn't automatically go there. Or did they automatically go there?

Jack: Yeah, they have a Naga King assigned to every thing. There's Naga Kings in Alfame. There's Naga Kings. I mean, not Naga Kings. There's three Naga Kings that rule the people that they send to the three civilizations that are in Alame in Shadow.

Cristina: Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, I remember that. Okay, the Three Kings or whatever. Yeah. What were they again? The three Kings? One was.

Jack: What were their names?

Cristina: Yeah, and positions or whatever. Like were they sending.

Jack: Okay, let me see, I got first. Nah. Nagaraha is the word that means King of the Night of the Nagas. And so Shesha, the first appointed king of the Nagas, is in charge of maintaining order among the among and assisting order, assisting Oros with assigning civilizations to Earthrealm and Vasuki the second Naga King is assigned to the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Takshaka is. Who watches over those two. He's the king of those two kings. So the high rank. The king of kings. So he's the alfame one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Watches these two.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yes. And that was just some weird additional thing that happened at one time.

Cristina: Yes. So they do have them in the Shadow Room.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: Yes, yes. Then looking at the Naga, we did find something interesting, which was the first occurrence we had of reading, which then became prominent. And we found that everywhere, like every other thing we discover. Which was Kido, Zeus's Naga, who Zeus appointed to somehow create more of him. And this resulted.

Cristina: The Naga experiments, I guess, resulted in.

Jack: Medusa and her sisters.

Cristina: We'll follow the experiments.

Jack: But yeah, they weren't exactly him, but they were pretty close. And Medusa was a whack one, but the famous one, because presumably she's the dead one. We all. We just know the guy who killed her, who thought they were immortal and killed. Killed one of them alone. They can't die. And I killed them. I'm legend and that's the one who died. Haha. I'm gonna go down in history and it's like, no, that one could die. That's why you killed it. This is. That one could die, bro.

Cristina: Okay, but he didn't go in history.

Jack: No, she went down in history because she got killed. And who the h*** did it? We still don't know. We're assuming Hercules.

Cristina: Yeah, right. I don't know.

Jack: Okay, but now we have Naga civilization. We have kings, we have order, military order almost established. Here you go there you go here, hierarchy. Then we have over here us building experiments in an attempt to replicate what's happening over there. Because now we're not even talking. Now we're talking about us using an assigned Naga to try to create a Naga with Kido, making the Medusa and her sisters.

Cristina: You're saying us, but it's not really us.

Jack: Us as in Earth Realmers. Okay, but then we find out about the human Caldinia, who gets a hold of a magic bow capable of killing a Naga and is set to kill the Naga princess, daughter of Suki.

Cristina: Wait, did they do it?

Jack: They did not kill the daughter. They fell in love with the daughter and then hid the bow.

Cristina: Ah, okay, that's a crazy story.

Jack: But that gave us the one with the one important bit of information, that there are items.

Cristina: Oh, yes. I. I feel like we haven't really solved that. Like we kind of get it, but don't really get any.

Jack: We're still. Yeah, we're on the surface.

Cristina: If anyone made those weapons, it wasn't the N. It was probably not the Nagas, but they probably helped the.

Jack: Yeah, the Naga didn't make that bow for sure. The bow was made by somebody in Earthrealm.

Cristina: Yes, a se. Person or whatever you call them that I don't remember.

Jack: Elaine, not elame. Alician.

Cristina: Okay. Lesions.

Jack: Yeah, the Alicians.

Cristina: BC people to me. Okay, well, they obviously made these weapons.

Jack: I mean, the problem is as we start. Look, dude, we were sleeping on the Greek too. Like as we start looking into the Greek, they're like. They're subtle, dude. It's weird because what happens with them is different than what happens with the Elysians. Because the Elysians have actively suppressed a lot of stuff and given us alternatives to believe.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: While the Greek haven't. They just have a lot of. A lot of volume, a lot of noise, a lot of convolution. So finding out what's. What is impossible. And from their own accounts, they don't know. So you get it from other people. And then coming across the leaps and bounds of tech that lead to something like Glycon, which again is Glycon.

Cristina: Well, it's a thing person, Glycon, both.

Jack: From the Greek is the Naga, who. We did not know why he was spending time with the Greek gods.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We were confused about that guy. Like, why the h*** are you hanging out with them? Because Keto is the one assigned to that team. And we were thinking Glycon is assigned to maybe a shadow person there or something, you know. But then when we were looking deeper into it, we find out that Glycon is just as Shalypius, which is one of the Greek gods that. That seems to have disappeared.

Cristina: That turned into him.

Jack: Yeah. And then using some Keto genius and DNA managed to create Glycon, the artificial Naga that is almost perfect.

Cristina: Which I don't know what that means.

Jack: I don't know what that means either.

Cristina: Almost perfect too. You probably can't enter the shadow, the.

Jack: Fairy world, which me then what's the point of it, right? There's a lot of weird when it comes to that. Really complicated. Like what's a. What a waste.

Cristina: Yeah, that is weird.

Jack: But it is. I don't know. Now, the Caldenia, the guy with the bow, he falls in love with that princess, hides a bow and they together form on Earth realm the Funan dynasty. Which is one of the few places where Naga and humans live in pieces together, which is one of two interesting places of this nature that we have found. Or not two, but two types. With the other being we have recently found out about the home of Nephilim being together up north in Norway.

Cristina: Oh yeah. But that one's even more complicated.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But we got both, which is interesting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we know of shadow people just living amongst humans. Or not just humans, but earthlings in general. But we'll circle back to that as we come through those. Because the real point of this dynasty is that it brings us to the next bit of information that we discovered following. Because chasing the Naga was in formation dense. We still haven't left the Naga. We're still just talking about the Naga right now. Because the Funan dynasty. The home of Caldinia where he impregnates his wife and has a half Naga, half human hybrid. Astika. That's when we first found out that a perfect enough human form for a Naga is indistinguishable from a human form for Ib. For a human. So a human can reproduce as long. Presumably as long as the Naga does not leave that form. Or if they did change to form with their body move in such a way that the baby would be safe. I don't know.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: I don't know how this is.

Jack: Thoughts?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Thoughts you don't normally think about.

Cristina: Like if it was a snake while they had sex with that guy.

Jack: No one had to be a woman. It couldn't get pregnant as a snake. And then again, back to more Naga stuff. Man. These episodes with the Naga it was two episodes. Because there's so much crap. I remember that much. This is where we also learn about the Supasatra. Which is. Is what? Astika, the son of Caldinia saved many Naga from which was the leader of a region in that time. Was he figured out his great great grandfather had somehow figured out how to create a ritual that would result in philosopher stones made from Naga. And this guy went out of his way to execute the plan. And that's when we find out. Oh, there could be fairy philosopher stones.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. This takes us back to those fairy trees or something we're not sure. Are portals created from dead fairies?

Jack: Are portals created to dead from dead fairies? Because the trees just creating Earth Realm means the trees created the portal that sprung a whole universe. So if the tree did that, then the death of a fairy is such a weird phenomenon that burying it in the wrong place resulted in the creation of a universe.

Cristina: Well, the wrong Place. I feel like it was done intentionally.

Jack: Yes, but not where they're supposed to be. Maybe this is the first of that. Or there are way more realms branching out of shadow that we can't access. Okay, so shadow can. And Elfame can, but we can't. Because whatever thing is happening here is preventing us from moving sideways. But we can move up or down.

Cristina: Okay. Unless we figured out.

Jack: Unless we figured out how to do more.

Cristina: Well, we don't. But those other people.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: They have to know how to, though. How are they so much better than everything else as far as we can see? I don't know.

Jack: But the. The creation of. So what's the process? Well, our guess is that Yaldabaoth used fairies, killed them then. No, it doesn't make sense. Because did he use the death of fairies to make the stone? Or did he use the death of fairies to make the trees? The weird problem we didn't think about because again, we didn't talk about this back to back, but what the h*** did he use the fairies for then? It seems kind of clear at this point. Yaldabao murdered a bunch of fairies.

Cristina: And he could have done both.

Jack: He could have done both. Because the point is he has a philosopher so made of fairies. Yeah, like fairies are dead. That's just what it is.

Cristina: And we know there are trees, and.

Jack: We know they're trees. But I don't think that the fairies made the portal. I think, no, it's so hard because they made the portal, the tree portal. But the other portals know because sorcerers are figuring that out. Necromancers are figuring something different. So there's a different way to do it. It's not really the way we're looking at. The fairies had nothing to do with those portals. The fairies are responsible for accidentally creating Earthrealm as a result of their own death and of creating a philosopher's stone, which chances are, the first fairies to die made the philosopher's stone. The second fairy Sedai were planted, creating the trees that then resulted in Earthrealm, thus being an intention of Yaldabaoth philosopher's stone used on fairy to make tree.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I think maybe that's the order. I don't think it was plant the fairy's corpse and boom, tree happens. Because that's what happens in fairy forts. You. But that has a tree too, d*** it. There is a tree. Where you plant the fairy is a problem. Yes, but then why don't those have the sacred fruits?

Cristina: Because they're the fruits. Are there they're just on the shadow realm side.

Jack: Shadow realm side? Yeah, we don't see them. The fruits only grow on the shadow room side.

Cristina: How do we know the fruits and the stones are not one and the same?

Jack: Because the fruits were seeked in the shadow in the Forest of Shadows, and the stone is made of dead people. Both El and Jehovah had to travel to the Forest of Shadows along with the. The judge's sister. Okay, Inanna, all three cases is they have to go to the Forest of Shadows. While the two factual instances we do know for a fact and the one that is asserted by the circumstances surrounding it, which is Yaldabaoths, all the first two literally have texts telling us that people were essentially sacrificed. And Yaldabouths is essentially suggested circumstantially that he must have because he has a stone made of dead fairies. Like, how do you get it, bro? Okay, it is really complicated.

Cristina: Are they making stones and trees?

Jack: How are they making stones and trees if it's the fairies? And the idea here is fairy farming and fairies are the ones on the back foot right. Now, maybe at some point they weren't, but at some point around the time where the elves were designated to start putting some caps on people's ability to continue expanding around that time, that's when it was too late.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: You know, and like, that's when they were on the back foot. That's why they did it. So something happened around that time, which is a hundred years before Christ. 100 to 300. Somewhere in that ballpark, before Jesus is when fairies. Shut up.

Cristina: Shut up. Okay.

Jack: The. Well, specifically the elves.

Cristina: Which ones are the elves?

Jack: The ones stopping the power or the development beyond a certain capacity, I think started hitting the fan back then.

Cristina: Anything. They were the ones that were sacrificed to make stone or.

Jack: No, no. But I think that they are on the back foot. And I think that the problem here is that maybe the people on this side are so rapid that in progress that fairy farming is becoming quite viable. And that's a problem, at least for the people of Alfame. Now, this is crazy because we learned a lot just from like deep diving into the Naga. That was the most useful information dump we have had for a while. And that opened mad doors. This was just. Again, those two episodes entirely came from us having done the previous summary of information. And we're already coming up with just interesting ideas that we have not thought before.

Cristina: Still so many questions, but yes, so much info.

Jack: But following the train of thought, it worked with the Nanga So do it with everything. So then the next group that we decided to put a magnifying glass on was the Garden of Eden. Because just the realization that the Garden of Eden is the name of the group was an amazing revelation on its own. Now, what are the Garden of Eden? They are the Elysian group with Jehovah, Lilith, Nahas, the serpent, Lucifer, Samael and many others. Many, many others. Now, going through that, we learned quite the bit of information that we did not know before. Interesting tidbits that we discovered. One, there is a discrepancy with Lilith that seems incoherent among the text.

Cristina: Oh, how? When exactly? Does she betray them or something? Yeah, like in the timeline.

Jack: Yeah, where she fits. Exactly. Exactly. Because it seems as she exists both around the time of El and around the time of Jehovah, which is fine. Sizen does too. But then did you. Did you. Didn't you lose your privileges when you used Adam? How are you here again? But you weren't there for Eve, it seems. There's no mention of Lilith during Eve and that's notable. There's just no Lilith. But then we get to making of Jesus and Lilith is there again and it's like, not in the Bible, but if we look at all the Gnostic text, she keeps popping up and it's like, but why? And like, what is this middle period you were in? This doesn't make any sense.

Cristina: She was punished and she's cast out.

Jack: Officially by Jehovah, but she left willingly from L. So I don't. Yeah, like what?

Cristina: The all happened the way, way long ago. Yes, she left and she came back.

Jack: She didn't come back to anything. This is a different guy.

Cristina: Oh, she didn't come back. She joined a new group, I guess.

Jack: Yeah. So Lilith. Weird time gaps, but that wasn't as. It's not impactful as much as it is interesting. And maybe we'll revisit if information tells us that is more useful than we think it is. But even more interesting is Lucifer, because there's a trio here that's really weird. And it's essentially Lilith, Lucifer and Samael, because Lilith is the right hand to Lucifer. Lilith is. Or Samael is in love with Lilith, so he goes wherever she goes. Lucifer uses Samael's DNA, physical structure and body to then create a replica using a transitioning technique he discovered to turn himself from a shadow person into an Elysian.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Weird. So he looks identical, sounds identical, is physically indistinguishable from Samael, but that's fine.

Cristina: Shadow version of him?

Jack: Sort of, yeah. Except he's. He isn't Elysian. He just has additional characteristics. It should be impossible. Which. Yeah, the shadow version of him, but then it doesn't matter because original Samael then uses Naha's DNA and physical structure, or not DNA, but the equivalent of whatever you're gonna get out of a fairy and his physical structure, along with Lucifer's transition technique to then become Anaga himself. Yeah, with the help of Lilith. This was a Lilith experiment. So Lucifer looks like. Sounds like Samael.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Who is in love with Lilith, who is Lucifer's right hand lady to begin with. So now the guy who's trying to f*** her is her boss. And a snake is now trying to her.

Cristina: That's Lucifer trying to.

Jack: No, Lucifer's not. Oh, the guy who's trying to her is a snake.

Cristina: Oh yeah.

Jack: Now he's a snake.

Cristina: Yeah, but she was cool with that. She want him to be one.

Jack: Yeah, sure. He's a puppy or a slave or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But now your boss looks like the guy who's trying to you. It's a problem. The guy who's trying to you is your boss.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: You know, it's. It's such a complicated mess happening there.

Cristina: Yes, yes, it is. But how. Boss is a weird word. I feel like they all work together.

Jack: Yeah, they work together, but there is. I. I would. Yeah, boss is the wrong terminology here because Lucifer wasn't the leader anyways. It was Jehovah.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. If anyone was gonna be put say they're the leader. Like these three were just working together hand in hand. And not really, because weren't they all doing their own thing, sort of. Well, Lilith, at least they all had.

Jack: Different types of projects. But the projects would consistently intersect with one another.

Cristina: Yeah, they were more like co workers.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Then out of the Garden of Eden individuals. Where it gets really, really weird is with the Samael and Lucifer combination minus Lilith. Because then that explains a lot of the confusion that exists throughout history. If we consider Samael, Lucifer and replace Lilith with Nahas. Now if we put them in a row, we have Samael in the middle, Mahas on one side and Lucifer on the other. The events of all three of these people are impossible to distinct who did what because you don't know who's who at what time because of when their transitions happen and what they are. Somebody in the Garden of Eden used incorrectly tech that was there and was cast. That's Lilith. Yes, Right. The serpent she was with was Nahas. He's the member of the team. Lucifer was not involved in doing this. No the first time. But we think Lucifer. But really? Because we think Lucifer and we think Samael and we think Samael and we think serpent and then serpent links us back to Nahas and then bam. Oh. Lucifer is the snake.

Cristina: But he's not.

Jack: But he's not. Nahas is the snake. That had nothing to do with Lucifer. Lucifer got blamed for some other s***.

Cristina: Yes. But he was definitely doing something much later. Yeah.

Jack: It was Lucifer's departure. Happens with Jehovah. Because Jehovah says we're no longer sharing.

Cristina: Yes. Because everyone was dying.

Jack: Yeah. And he's like. Well he agreed with that part. But he's like we should share with the people who are capable that we've proven are capable. And he's like no, no, we're not sharing with anybody anymore. What we got is what we need. That's it. And it's like you're gonna leave everybody in the Stone Age and we're just gonna dip on them. So he was not down with that. And that's where that disagreement happened. But that happens in the year one to us.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know that's very, very, very different than Lilith using Adam at the wrong time a hundred and fifty zero zero zero years ago and now has having just been around and Lucifer being blamed for some that was outside of his existence. Which is what happened. D***. And then Samael also has nothing to do with any of this. Actually somehow is just an elation. But no, this is a funny.

Cristina: Because that's her boyfriend.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: No.

Jack: I guess. I don't know. It's not clear. I don't think that was terminology that made sense back then. They weren't married. Nahas was also not back there. 156000 years. I have no idea why both Lucifer and Nahas got toss the boss for some.

Cristina: Lilith did that long ago.

Jack: Yeah. I don't know why that's in the book like that. It doesn't show up anywhere else. It does not. It's Lilith. It was 100%. She's the only one who did anything.

Cristina: Well they kind of took her out of the book. So they just replaced her with the other guys. Exactly.

Jack: Members from later. They're basically just trying to cut off. I guess that's. I guess that's part of it. They're trying to cut off anything before Jehovah. Yeah, no, I just. Just began 5,000 years ago.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: Recent. So you can't have any of that other. It's like if you cut that off, then Lilith didn't do.

Cristina: Okay, that makes sense.

Jack: Lilith who, bro?

Cristina: Yeah, Lilith who?

Jack: Well, the thing still happened. Oh, that guy did it. Yeah, it. Both of them? No, it's one dude. It's one dude.

Cristina: Double bro makes the story more simple.

Jack: Simple, but d***. That means he's just throwing random people under the bus for absolutely no reason. Lucifer and Nahas both got shafted somehow is sketchy because he does weird. I understand people being like, Lucifer's supposed to do bad stuff, so I'm okay one. But it's because somehow really does some sketchy. He just does whatever the h*** Lilith wants. Like turning his freak himself into a serpent thing.

Cristina: Yeah, but how does that affect anyone?

Jack: For what?

Cristina: I don't know. That's just a creepy kinky thing that they're doing. I don't know.

Jack: He could still turn back to a dude.

Cristina: Yeah, like how does that affect the world?

Jack: Yeah, I guess. I guess it's ultimately unimportant. And his base form. But his base form is a snake. That's really what it is.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He could just human out. Not human. I guess I'm not human. But he can Alicia now. Oh yeah. I want to. But she's also. Whatever. She was already kinky. She's not elation to begin with.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Not even human. She's not from Earth.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Some other. Some other s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like whatever. She's down with putting crap in holes or whatever they do.

Cristina: Whatever they do.

Jack: I'd never thought about it. Whoa.

Cristina: No idea.

Jack: There's a lot we don't know. No, just stupid abstract questions that don't cross our mind. Like how do shadow people reproduce random side episode to do one there.

Cristina: Yes. But also. Yes, please. What if they do need something special? Because why did she make. She made her children through the stone. She didn't give birth to children. But maybe there are stories of her giving birth to children. I don't know.

Jack: You have a point. That is incredible.

Cristina: I don't know. We'll find. We'll figure that out in the future.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting, interesting, interesting. Because she did use the. I mean. No, this is the floor man.

Cristina: Well, the story says she gave birth, but in real life she used the stone or something like that. But you have an idea?

Jack: No, I'm just fascinated by the idea that she did in fact feel this professional, this individual who knows what to do, when to do, still felt the impulse to drive to make life with the stone and all the descriptors put Lilith as female among the shadow people. Whatever that means. And her interest seems male based on her interest for somehow who is a male. An Elysian male, which, okay, maybe they can't reproduce and this was the way the desperate. Because what is. Oh my God.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. The first guy who used the stone. No, that doesn't make sense.

Jack: No, no, no, listen to me, listen to me. It's connecting. It's connecting because the point, the one point, the goal of Osteomorphous, the Naga that was artificially made by Yaldabaoth was with d expressive intent. To what?

Cristina: Make more.

Jack: Make more. But why? Why didn't we connect those two dots before?

Cristina: That has more to do with the shadow. I mean, no, with the ship.

Jack: Let's just make more. Make more, as far as we know, just make more is the one thing connecting Lilith using the stone and yeah, we've connected to completely random things. He just impulsively went out of their way.

Cristina: But we know that there's children in the Shadow Realm. Didn't someone have a daughter who traded lives with a princess or. No, she was a princess. She's a daughter slash princess.

Jack: Yes, yes, like Inanna.

Cristina: Yes, but at the same time, did they only start giving birth after the guy made the stone? Like, was the first thing he found out about fairies killed fairies made more Shadow Realm people when he was making more humans. Like, did that happen at the same time? Okay, I know we know time works differently too. Or maybe we had that idea in the beginning of this episode.

Jack: Not that we know that time does work very differently. But there is something very interesting that you have just mentioned. Keep in mind, I have to compose this with ideas of where I'm going to some degree, right? So I look for things that I'm going to we free for all. But I know what I want to talk about. So I leave a lot of timestamps when they don't matter out, because who cares? But for the sake of timestamping things, there is a weird pattern that I did notice and I looked into and couldn't find anything of significance. Where maybe about 500 years before Christ to about the 1800s with the very center point being the big chunky peak. It seems that stories of creatures we would describe from the Shadow Realm get more frequent and more frequent and more frequent. And then getting to somewhere im like the 1100s or so, it starts tapering off, slowing down, slowing down just less and less. But there's that hot spot in the middle, just for no reason. We've joked about these periods in the past saying that this was one of those moments where the Catholic Church was just pumping out a bunch of demons and s***. We've talked about stuff like that before, but we've not addressed the time specifically because that wasn't relevant to the episode. We were just talking about the Church and the Simpson or this creature specifically. But this pattern has persisted where around the 1100s is the most explosive amount of stories. But it kind of falls off.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And there's kind of like a tiny little spike 17 to 1800 right before it almost goes nowhere. And now we just got alien source. But interesting because did they figure a thing out? Was what's the point of the f****** of Oceomorphos to use. If you really are a hundred percent what you are, then your powers like Oros. Because Ophiomorphos purpose is to be like Oros, not like any other Naga. Yaldabaoths Naga, the one he artificially created.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And Osteomorphous is to create more, which means you are perfect like Oto's, which means you can do things that Mab would ask. Things beyond the capacity that a normal Naga would ask. You wouldn't be described as a Naga. You're described as a fairy.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Oros, which means Osteomorphous is identical. Which means asking Ophiomorphos to give my people the ability to produce, to reproduce, to give birth, to multiply. Allow us to multiply would in theory be within the capacity of Ospeomorphos, because Yaldabaoth would have successfully created a God more powerful than he. With Osteomorphous, if he is identical to Otos, who is a fairy. And then you get the people to multiply and we have this giant spike. Then we get Yalda going to visit L and Sizen being there too. And then Derek, because he already went back there to tamper with them when they were just whatever the h***. They start to get really intelligent, start to get really overpowered. Technology here are other realms. Know about it. Look for it. Find me when you have the tech buddy. Also, there's my son. Go, go join him.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Mingle.

Cristina: Yeah, mingle.

Jack: Hang out. Also we can reproduce now. I have a son. What? I have a f****** son. You meet my f****** son.

Cristina: What's that?

Jack: What's that about? Could he not have a son before? Is that that? Did he not. And then he did the thing and now he could have a son. And he has a son. Citizen has a f****** mom.

Cristina: No, I mean if they're using this tech, they don't need to.

Jack: It wouldn't be tech if they used. If they got altered by Oros.

Cristina: Thing is changing.

Jack: I guess it's not auto, but. Osteomorphous.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Is autos short for something? Because then if. If it is, then I could just shorten ospeomorphos as well and say otos and also OS4 or whatever crap.

Cristina: No, that doesn't sound good. There should be a way to turn it, but we haven't figured. What was his whole name again?

Jack: Osfeomorphous?

Cristina: Morpheus.

Jack: We could say Morpheus. Morpheus, but. Yeah. So that's some s***. This is exactly the point of this. When we see the information all stacked up together, certain things become clear that we wouldn't have thought about before. Is reproduction part of this objective for all of them? I don't know. Because it also seems like there is a huge counter. Like there's a fight of, you know, an attempt to stop this from happening coming from Alfame. Like, why it has to be for more than just the reproduction part.

Cristina: I know, but a lot of it has to do with the reproduction part.

Jack: It seems like at least Yalda and Lilith, who are two quite important individuals, both had reproduction on their minds.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Tells us.

Cristina: But what are the stones for if it's not for that too? I don't know. Because it's reproduction in its own other way. Like, you know, making us. Yeah, we're children.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: There's some experiment. We're also. They're giving birth to us.

Jack: In a way, what we're missing is essentially the quantum theory. You get my point? Like the thing that's connecting that. We got a lot of completed ideas, and we know they're all related, but we don't know what the f*** that centerpiece is that connects them is. But we know. We see it. We visualize how it goes together. But we don't see the centerpiece. And it's like, it's not there anywhere. Why does. Why hasn't any of this revealed to us the ultimate goal?

Cristina: Because they. They hit it very well.

Jack: Tell me about it very well is an under f****** statement at this point. They hit it well, that's the. No, it's invisible, dude. What?

Cristina: It's not completely invisible. We have glimpses here and there.

Jack: No, we don't. We don't. No, no. We have. Not even the slightest.

Cristina: We have shadows.

Jack: Yeah. At best.

Cristina: At best? Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Random mentions of s*** that makes no sense until we get the proper other mention. And then we're like, oh, Just looking.

Cristina: At a bunch of little, little things. Okay.

Jack: Scraps here and there. And when you looked at enough scraps, one of them that you saw a long a** time ago clicks with this one, you're like, oh, wow. I got one piece of information out of all this. It's tragic.

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know what it's all about at the end of the day.

Jack: Yeah. All right. Samael is the first individual to discover how to grow fruits from the Forest of Shadows in earthrealm. And he started with the fruit of knowledge, which is useful. Don't know how the h*** he did it, but he did it. And that's important. They figured he figured it out. He figured out how to grow because again, you put the fairy in the ground, the tree comes out. It's just a tree, but on the other side. But he figured out how to get the thing out without having to go.

Cristina: Put the fairy in the ground. I think that. I don't know, it's complicated.

Jack: Like, the death of the fairy grows the tree.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, I think it comes out of the fairy.

Jack: So you put the fairy in the ground.

Cristina: No, the fairy is not going in the ground. The fairy's just dying where it's at.

Jack: Oh, I get what you mean. Yeah, yeah. He'll just become the ground.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, fair enough.

Jack: You don't have to bury it. You kill the fairy. Boom. Tree happens there.

Cristina: Yes. Because the. The whole idea of it being in all the realms, like, no, it's not gonna be bird, because that doesn't make any sense.

Jack: It doesn't make any sense. Yes. But the idea that they do. Oh, that's interesting. Right, because the idea that they do exist, kind of like they could just pop in and out without needing portals. Very logical. When you just think of the fact that one dying literally connected to random points in space.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: That's weird.

Cristina: Okay, that does.

Jack: That's weird. I guess that was a fact. And we didn't know that was a fact. And the fact of the matter was there because we've debated how are they jumping? How. How are they getting from point A? We know they could just be there, but how? No. Did something about this. This part isn't tech. There's something about their makeup that's different enough.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But they're just there. And when they die, somehow because of that being everywhere. Well, everywhere kind of gets tied in. That spot. Weird. They die and where they die, everywhere just gets tied together.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: But it's weird. But there's some other Things so.

Jack: And Yalda learned this fact and uses it.

Cristina: And how he learned it, how he learned it, how to make a weapon to kill fairies. Had to be with a fairy helping. I don't know. So why would a fairy help him?

Jack: Lucifer leaves the garden after having a disagreement with Jehovah which was disagreement we discussed.

Cristina: Yes, let's share knowledge. But also the knowledge is killing them.

Jack: Yeah. They can't handle it. They're self destructing. But a couple of civilizations could handle it. And he wanted to find those. And Jehovah was like, no, we're done finding people.

Cristina: Because it's, it's just the. I guess it's not balance of like how many are actually surviving versus not surviving. Like say they did this. They didn't do it just to four people and then only two made it. It was probably hundreds of civilization the Earth. Exactly. And only two old equator. Exactly.

Jack: Surrounds the Earth.

Cristina: So how many civilizations.

Jack: One of the civilizations that made it isn't even around it.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: How many places weren't around the old equator that we don't know about that they tried and didn't work?

Cristina: Yeah, the amount, exactly the total amount to just know about these.

Jack: Yeah. No, it's too much.

Cristina: It's a big, big failure.

Jack: Just the ones we do know failed.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the two we know didn't.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's like. No, this is pretty bad.

Cristina: It's pretty bad.

Jack: Just how many don't we know about? And still we only know two made it. D***.

Cristina: That's pretty crazy. That's pretty bad.

Jack: And the problem is we have their corroborating information and they don't mention a third party other than the Elysians.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it is just all three of them. Yeah, that's it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's other groups who have made progress on their own, but not. They have collapsed under the weight of Alicia knowledge.

Cristina: No. Which. Who knows what that number is.

Jack: But they try. I mean, I guess. So the. The argument here is you side with Jehovah. You think it's a logic a lot. Yeah, I guess.

Cristina: Yeah. It's. It's just too much that if everyone.

Jack: Dies, you should give the people the choice. You tell them.

Cristina: I don't know how they could understand. Like they have to know it first to know it and then they. They end up killing themselves because of it. Like I don't know. It's complicated.

Jack: Yeah. No, you don't have to explain that. You explain to them that, look, this is really like here people, People we're about to Share this with. This is really advanced. Many civilizations have completely destroyed themselves after we have given them our technology and our knowledge. They have simply not been able to cope. Their governments have collapsed, their infrastructure, their economy, all of it has fallen apart due to these things. Many times over. We need you guys to come to a collective agreement.

Cristina: You don't know anything about humans. Because of course they're gonna be like, we're the ones that are gonna make it. It's like people getting married. Yeah, yeah, we're the ones.

Jack: We're the ones who are gonna do it. They're all gonna sign up.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: They're all gonna say, no, we can do it.

Cristina: Yes. Like, in what. What's world are we not like, yes, we're gonna. Like, who's gonna be like, what? That knowledge. Oh, I guess we shouldn't take that knowledge. No. Like, what? Who do you think? Which of. Like, who's gonna be like, no, nobody.

Jack: Nobody.

Cristina: Who do you think?

Jack: Nobody. Especially if they know other humans have been given the opportunity. No, now we have to do it. Pride.

Cristina: Yeah. Now we have to. Yes. They're gonna be like, oh, well, we can't let those people get it.

Jack: Exactly.

Cristina: Then, yeah, he's not gonna give it to us.

Jack: He's gonna offer it to somebody else. And I'm not gonna let him do that.

Cristina: Yeah, no way.

Jack: I'm gonna be the fourth one. Our people, we're obviously the chosen, and then they collapse.

Cristina: Yep. It's no way to explain it.

Jack: No. Yeah, you're right. Okay, so Lucifer's wrong. It's this. Yeah, you're right. You're right, you're right. Lucifer's wrong. Yeah, His. The sentiment is right.

Cristina: Yes, sure. But.

Jack: But I guess we're talking science. Why are you getting emotional?

Cristina: I think that's. They have to probably wait until we're more. Like when they.

Jack: It's perfect. Until getting somebody new to understand is a perfect unfeeling formula.

Cristina: But they have to keep doing the whole thing, though, of making more, which it doesn't seem like they're doing either, of using philosopher's stones to create more better humans, etc. Like after Jesus. That was that. I mean, yes, they do test it out somewhat, but like, he was the peak and that was it, I guess.

Jack: But Arthur functioned, but Arthur died.

Cristina: Yeah, he's not what they were like originally.

Jack: It was a self contained incident too. It was just somebody handling their personal s***.

Cristina: It's not like. I don't think they're trying to make puppets. I mean, now they do. Only because they can. Like he's a puppet in a way.

Jack: Arthur was a puppet. So is Joseph.

Cristina: Yeah, but like, their. Their original plan wasn't to make puppets, I think.

Jack: I don't think it was either. It was just to make an overpowered elite who's gonna do what we want. And then the big problem happened, and then you gotta get rid of them. But now you created resentment.

Cristina: Yes, but I think the goal was to make more of us, but of that us.

Jack: Jesus. More Jesus.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Minus the problem.

Cristina: Yes, I guess.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like that seems the big goal is making more of something because then we'd cross.

Jack: But I don't. I guess because Jesus can't just enter, Jesus still, even after dying, still needs to obey the laws that govern reality. So he still ends up in shadow. But luckily knew this would play out this way. Goes through the gate and gets back. But without the gate, he'd be trapped over there. He's not a fairy. He doesn't just poof over here.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So then what would the point of making a bunch of Jesuses be if it wasn't for the fact that people were having visions of him? What you accomplish, guys? Like, what's the ta da?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: So what's Jesus minus the annoying part?

Cristina: What was any of us? What was the next thing? And then the next thing? And then the next thing was the goal, Right? Yeah. Well, okay, was that experiment over now?

Jack: I don't know. Because if. If that's the real question, then the question is, then why do we do it?

Cristina: Do what?

Jack: Why Is there an iPhone 15? Why do we now have electric cars when we had carriages? Why didn't we stop at carriages? Why do we go to the next thing?

Cristina: And how do we know when to stop?

Jack: How do we know when to stop? So we make androids that work perfectly. Real androids? Tesla androids look like people now. But wait. Inefficient. We gotta keep getting fuel. What if they could just eat. Okay, so how do we get it to fuel itself organically? Well, if we can replicate all of our physiological systems, then in theory we can have a completely indistinguishable structure. And it's like. That's for no reason.

Cristina: That's for.

Jack: I just landed us at how we would get to.

Cristina: Yeah, what they got to for no reason.

Jack: I took a stair and there was no goal. That's how easy it is to get there. If you're just following science. That's how easy we just stumbled it.

Cristina: The end of the day, it's just scientists Being scientists.

Jack: But then the question is, what the is Elfame scared of? That's where it gets sketchy. That's where it gets weird. If at some point everybody looks like they're hiding from something, you look at them long enough, they're scared of something.

Cristina: What is.

Jack: And the problem is, we also have the least amount of information of Elfim, in that order. Elfame. The least shadow. Very shaky little.

Cristina: We know fairies can die. Could the world be destroyed? It doesn't feel like anyone can go in there. I don't know how.

Jack: It doesn't feel like anybody could get there except Joseph.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess. I don't know. I don't know.

Jack: There's something huge missing. The problem is how little information we get from Elfin.

Cristina: Yeah, that's really what it comes down to.

Jack: D***. I guess the first episode of next year is gonna have to be the continuation of this.

Cristina: What?

Jack: There is some more recap to go. We're fair enough. Open the year on the ring.

Cristina: That works. Okay. Okay, that's pretty good.

Jack: Some more to go. But I like these summaries because they make us think about things, they inform us, discover things, and seeing it all together changes perspective. And it's going to tell us what to look at next collectively.

Cristina: Awesome.

Jack: Anyways, if you guys want to tell us what you think of any of this or any of the episodes from this year or how weird this show has gotten.

Cristina: Can you see some kind of connection that we cannot see?

Jack: Send us a message to tell us about it. Just convopod everywhere. All the platforms X and TikTok and Instagram and Facebook.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And word of mouth is the most overpowered thing that has ever existed in the history of humanity. So use it. Tell people about the show.

Cristina: This has been the rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. You're like, wait, how the h*** did somebody across the ocean mention exactly the same thing using the same exact words? What the f***? Wait, how is the story of Jesus obviously corrupted in the Bible? But if you were to just connect the individual pieces of narrative from all the places he was allegedly at, they don't match what's in the Bible. This is something entirely different. Because the Bible's trying to brainwash everybody. They don't expect anybody to go to the f****** Source and be like, hey, what do you personally have on this?

Cristina: What's the source?

Jack: The Source is the countries. Bethlehem and Nazareth and Cyprus and the people who were in these locations and the prophecies left behind, which are left in hieroglyphs and in old writings. All the things we found that are telling us about this. It's a bit absurd how much of.

Cristina: This is infinite and oddly connected. Yeah. Good morning. Good morning. This podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister, with social media managed by Amber Black.

December 16, 2023

Rambling 254: Necromancy

December 16, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Why were sorcerers interested in figures like Jesus Christ and King Arthur? Why are figures like Jesus Christ and King Arthur interested in sorcerers? And why is everyone else scrambling to come face to face with them? The duo deep dive into Sorcerers, but more specifically Necromancy.

+Episode Details

Ancient Technology
Portals
Controlling Shadow Energy
Remote Controlled Devices
Astral Magic

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity. Most absurd and baffling ideas. And then thunder.

Cristina: And that's thunder.

Jack: Sure. Yeah. And you hear the screen flashes for people who are watching, for the people who are tuning in on space satellite on space tube.

Cristina: They can't just be watching us on YouTube.

Jack: How are they gonna watch us on.

Cristina: YouTube on our channel?

Jack: Oh, I. I guess in theory they're watching a screen that just. I mean, some people probably do that. I bet there's somebody, at least one human somewhere that shows up, sits in front of a YouTube screen, tunes into a podcast that does not have a visual element, clicks a video, and then sits down and just stares at the screen until the show's over.

Cristina: There's no way.

Jack: How is that any different than somebody who just sits and listens to music for a long period of time? Or somebody who sits.

Cristina: You're not looking at a screen to do those things. No one puts on a screen to listen. If they are, they're reading the lyrics. They're not just watching a blank screen playing music.

Jack: Fair enough. Fair enough. Fair enough. Is. Is nothing happening on the screen? It's a question. Because if there was an equalizer, then at least the argument is there's an equalizer.

Cristina: Okay, that's a little different. I guess that would make sense if someone's watching it or not.

Jack: I say equalizer. Visualizer. You know what I mean?

Cristina: Really watch it.

Jack: It's like a background art thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which is cool, I guess. That's such a futuristic thing that I think we under appreciate.

Cristina: It's like, what's the music that they have? Like live music. Study too. Study two in on YouTube. Like they always have that girl. Yes. Loy with a girl on her computer with a cat. And it has a little animation that's super simple that just plays over and over and over again, but you're not really focused on it. Yeah, it's just there.

Jack: But these visualizations aren't necessarily absolutely aimless. Some of them transform and move to the beat and the texture of the music that's playing and their shape moves accordingly. It's not just random shapes. These higher quality ones actually move to the beat. It's not like these loafy beads.

Cristina: What are you saying our podcast is like that?

Jack: I don't even know what I was saying was like that. Our podcast no.

Cristina: Music that has the videos that are. That. For people to watch that aren't actually looking at lyrics or an actual video.

Jack: Oh, I guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Our YouTube thing is essentially that.

Cristina: Which is. What's it called?

Jack: What is. Wait, I'm so confused.

Cristina: I'm like the thing that's. They're watching. Following the voices or music.

Jack: The visualizer.

Cristina: Oh, that's what it's called? Yes, that's what I'm asking.

Jack: Okay. The visualizer is like the anomalous shape of colors. You know what I'm talking about? That's on a screen in like, let's say it's early 2000s. You have. We're still before the big transition to everybody's own smartphones. And you have a. Either a desktop that's old or a laptop that's new. One or the other is occurring. And you have a bunch of music. Music stolen from some website that you downloaded them from, or you went to a music store, downloaded them, and burned them on to a music player so you could hear them through your computer without having to put the CD in, maybe some collection of sorts. And you play them through the player. The player always had the option where you hit the thing and then boom. There's a weird thing with colors, right? And it morphs and shapes and does all this.

Cristina: Didn't one of the PlayStations have that?

Jack: Did it? Like PlayStation 3, maybe 2. Really, 2? Oh, I don't even know. D***. I don't know. But maybe. Absolutely. I don't. I Bet the current PlayStations all had them and have them. This never really looked, but I bet that's the thing. Yeah, for sure. And like, there are very complicated ones that move with the music. So I don't even know what my point was, but our show, they could go watch our show and sit down. So I guess. Oh. My point was that somebody would. Couldn't. Can in theory, sit down and watch something like that, but then they're technically still watching something happen. So if you want, in theory, you can just play the episode with a visualizer that syncs to it. Yes, that's weird because of our voices, but you're essentially seeing an anomalous blob speak to you, and it sounds like many people having a conversation. That's cool. Futuristic, least speaking.

Cristina: Weird, but okay.

Jack: Mm, very strange. But now I'm very intrigued. An anomalous blob that plays a podcast to you through a screen fire.

Cristina: Yeah, Maybe someone does that.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: F*** it, why not? Cool as H***, anyways, totally related to that absolutely relevant bit of information. We have lately been looking at a bunch of different things.

Cristina: Always.

Jack: As always. And so I'll tell you where this really begins. This is going back in time flashback to the year 1974 when it was.

Cristina: Raining that far away.

Jack: Can you imagine like out of all these timelines we've spoken that are up to several million years back so far that I'm like a long time ago and I'm like 1970. Yeah.

Cristina: So weird. Also was there you said Raining Men.

Jack: It was Raining Men.

Cristina: Does that song come out in that year or something?

Jack: No, but I was hoping I totally guess and got it right. So maybe it did. I actually have no idea. I Bet that's an 80s song though.

Cristina: Oh okay.

Jack: I bet that's late 80s, early 90s. I'm not entirely sure.

Cristina: It's 1930-1983-1983-1983.

Jack: I am off by nine years. Nine years.

Cristina: The people that sung it were called the Weather Girls. Where all their songs like themed.

Jack: Oh my God. The Weather Girls. Okay. So chances are they made. They became famous for that one song. And then because that's impossible to sustain their popularity immediately died following.

Cristina: It's Raining Men was on their third album.

Jack: Yeah. So they made a one hit way later and then they made music after.

Cristina: So you're saying they weren't called the Weather Girls before they got that song to be famous?

Jack: Oh s***. I see your point. I see your point. Yeah yeah, yeah. Cuz they had. The good ideas would have come at the beginning or at least the second album. Right. Because you have the first album when you're trying to figure it out. The second album you hit your note and your third album is your decline or your masterpiece. One of the other. I guess I could have been the masterpiece. Who knows? But one song. I don't know any other song from that album. And I don't think anybody in history has ever heard any other song from that album.

Cristina: Probably not. Probably not.

Jack: Do they have a fan base? Would be the question. Anyways. Anyways. Anyways. We gotta go back to the year 1912.

Cristina: Because.

Jack: I was trying to learn what we could about wizards. As you know we've been.

Cristina: We.

Jack: We cross paths with the lady of the Lake and we cross paths with Fae La Fay. Morgan Le Fay.

Cristina: I don't know who that is.

Jack: The chick who helped our King Arthur out.

Cristina: Oh yeah.

Jack: And so we're crossing paths with those people and we cross paths with. Actually I guess the lady of the Lake doesn't matter. Merlin.

Cristina: Merlin's the only one that matters. If you're talking about wizards, like.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Oh, that other lady was a witch or something.

Jack: Yeah, she was some s*** like that. Some real overpowered thing or a fairy or a fair. Yeah, it's kind of unclear at this point.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But I was wondering what the significance. We were talking about this, right? About a couple of things that in the last like two episodes really stuck out. And one of the things that stuck out was about the, like, what is up with these people's obsession with King Arthur? Fairies and sorcerers and all these other people. There's something beyond what we're understanding. Because if it's just some s*** that one of them made, we'll make another one. Something is actually special about Arthur. Cuz they're all behind Arthur. Yeah. If it was that much of an issue, do it again. Unless it was very energy consuming, the cost for making him is very difficult.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Which, like, what the h*** does that mean? Don't you guys live infinitely long times? Isn't this not worth your energy?

Cristina: I don't know. Are people just made from stones though, or like, like what made him?

Jack: Arthur.

Cristina: Yeah. He wasn't used with the stone, was he?

Jack: No. I actually have no clue how this man was made, but he's eventually gonna die of old age anyway, so it didn't matter. But anyways, yeah. So I'm looking, I. I see this fact that the sorcerers overpowered then and. And I'm looking like, okay, equal to Jesus. Look at Jesus. And he was also surrounded by his team. Wasn't of these people who were sorcerers of any sort. They got their abilities seemingly from Jesus. His lessons and things. He would provide and give to his people so they could be more like him and use his abilities.

Cristina: Were they using his abilities?

Jack: Yeah. Apostles had ability to heal and stuff.

Cristina: That wasn't from adrenochrome. I think that was from.

Jack: I believe those are the teachings that they got. Yeah.

Cristina: Oh, okay. That makes sense.

Jack: But on top of all that, Jesus did have people that were assumed to have witchy abilities, like the presumed he hung out with and individuals like that. And it's like, okay, so if this is true with King Arthur, then curiously, Jesus also had this thing. But what's true in every one of these cases, with the exception of La Fay, is that he seeks them out. It looks like he seeks them out at least.

Cristina: Who is he that's seeking them out?

Jack: Jesus and Arthur. They seek the individual out, but actually there was always something pulling them in the direction of this sorcerer, in the case of Magdalene, it was not that he was being manipulated through narrative, as far as we know, but it was that he was being drawn to that area to help, to assist the way he usually does. So some bigger, greater calling still took him straight to Mary, who suspected to be a sorceress. And then you have Arthur, who goes straight to Marlon because of a narrative.

Cristina: That he was writing, because of who.

Jack: He is, he had to do this thing the same way Jesus, because who he is, he had to go assist, he had to go help. He had to provide who he is to this person. Arthur had to provide who he is, is. And this in both instances, lands them in front of an individual that has an everlasting impact on their life and seems to always be present beyond that point. That's interesting. Almost like the whole point was to cross paths. So I'm like, okay, we gotta look after coming to that conclusion. Because I'm like, okay, I know that these two guys are kind of the same. And then I start looking at these comparisons because I'm just looking at them back and forth. Sorcerers, one and the other. What does this mean? What does this mean? And I come to that conclusion like, okay, the sorcerers are what matters. This is really weird. I got to look at this. So I start looking at sorcerers in general, mythologies across the world. And as I'm looking through sorcerers, hundreds, thousands of different kinds of sorcerers, scrolling, looking for a bunch of different types of magic abilities and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. One seems to show up in this culture. And then I keep moving and shows up in that one. And then I keep moving and shows up in that one.

Cristina: And the same wizard person thing.

Jack: No, not the same wizard. The same word. Which keeps showing up as I'm looking for different. I'm looking for different types of magic, allegedly, which we all know as different technologies, which is very interesting, by the way, because this might be one of the closest times I've ever been to deciphering when thing is in fact a like it's almost directly told to us based on how they describe it. But I'll get to that point in a second. The word necromancy kept showing up. And we have people magic. Yes, 100%. And we have a basic understanding of what necromancy is. Everybody has an idea. And that's the same. That very idea, what you just said. That's the idea we all have about what necromancy really is. We think it's just magic about dead people.

Cristina: Isn't it?

Jack: Well, we're gonna find out. Because that came up so frequently that I started to look towards that direction primarily. And as I started to look towards that direction primarily and started to leave behind the wizards, I stumbled upon a huge distinction between all wizards and sorcerers of all sorts. And then necromancers. Necromancers are apparently mentioned and used, addressed again, one of these words that at this point I'm just translating anything that seems to come after any pattern because it's one of these words that seemed irrelevant at the beginning, like just something that doesn't apply. And as I'm going through it and see this, the context makes sense in a bunch of texts we've been reading before. And it's essentially necromancy mentioned in a bunch of languages. Keep in mind I just go back to the sources we've had before, because that's what I'm trying to unravel further and further and further. So I end up coming across a fact that necromancy has been mentioned in front of us over and over and over and over and over. So I'm like, okay, no, f*** the rest of this information. I'm gonna look at whatever necromancy is specifically. That's where the value is. Because that's what this show's about, unraveling humanity's most absurd ideas. Anyways. So now the main purpose becomes about finding out. It left being finding out about Merlin and these individuals and became finding out about ne necromancy.

Cristina: What did you learn? Now is this about specific people?

Jack: No. Okay, so necromancy basics. This is the window into necromancy. Basic things to know. The very first individual that discovered necromancy. Not discovered. The first mention, rather ever of necromancy. Happens to be in by the Greek.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it was mentioned 2,700 years ago. That is the first mention of necromancy that we have on record written. There are stories.

Cristina: Wait, when you were talking about going, we're gonna go back in time to 1970, that had nothing to do with anything.

Jack: That time was completely random and relevant. Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. That had no, no real world value of any sort.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was just the time I picked out of a hat in 1980. I said 84. I think 1974. But 1984 is when that thing came out.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: No, it came out in 83 because it was nine years off. I said 74. Yeah, whatever. Anyways, so necromancy basics first found. The first found writing that directly use the word necromancy. Is by the Greek. It was written 2, 700 years ago. The first altered version of the word, something that means it, but is not exactly. Necromancy was used shortly thereafter. And there seems to be nine, 10 different versions of this word, spelling and enunciations, none of which I'm gonna bother with because the word necromancy is all we need to know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The very earliest recorded use of it is by Circe, which is a known collaborator of Zeus, which as we know, is the leader of the individuals in the Greek gods collective of individuals.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So. And weirdly enough, this mention is not even being brought up by the GRE getting this information specifically, which is the first mention of it being the first to mention it were the Greek. But the first time that Cersei that it was used was Circe, and that was from an Egyptian text, apparently.

Cristina: This doesn't make sense.

Jack: Yeah. So a Greek God being mentioned in an Egyptian text with an E. Egyptian man. There's a random. Or maybe he's not random, but whatever. Well, he didn't do anything miraculous there. And he. They basically just doing a. Solving a problem. And they use some necromancy to gather information by talking to a dead thing.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And yeah, so an Egyptian.

Cristina: So they wakes like a dead person up, get some answers and then that dead person stays dead?

Jack: Yes, he's an Egyptian man. He travels to Circe, the Greek God and asks for assistance with this. And Circe then brings up the dead man and allows the Egyptian man to get the answer to his question and so on.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Fire.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Simple, simple details happening. Nothing too big.

Cristina: Is there a lot of necromancy and Egyptian culture and whatever.

Jack: It seems like the culture for it right there. It seems like the culture of death.

Cristina: Yeah. So I'm wondering if that also is part of it or no.

Jack: Apparently it was very huge in Egypt and it was very huge in Persia. Necromancy was ginormous.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: It was one. So the idea was that it evolved naturally from shamanism and all that kind of natural witchy stuff.

Cristina: But are they trying, like, what's the purpose though? Is it just to get answers? People say it's to speak to loved ones. Maybe. I don't know. I'm guessing. I don't know. What is it for? What is it used for mostly?

Jack: Well, as I keep continuing, I will explain those things. It is said that it can be used to communicate with the dead in the shadow realm, if that matters.

Cristina: That might matter, I'm not sure.

Jack: And it is said that it could bridge a small Temporary local gate to the Shadow Realm allowing passage.

Cristina: Was that random lawyer and his sister in Chennai just accidental necromancies? People like what. How are they accidentally walking? Are there accident? Like, are those gates there? Or can we just. We have to do it. Does someone have to make the gate? Because with Jesus it seems like you gotta make them.

Jack: I mean, same thing with Mount Kaf, Mount Athos. Same thing with El Castillo. They're all a stationary building or structure of some sort. Jesus has the most efficient one as far as we know, which is the Shinto Gate. But ultimately it's a fixed location.

Cristina: Yes, but I guess there could be random ones that are just naturally made. Right? Because that's how battlefields probably end up with a bunch of Shadow Realm creatures. It's those deaths creating the gates, leading the whatever, wolves or whatever coming 100%.

Jack: Although it's described as a form of magic, I believe that based on some of the descriptions that I came across, it that all. And the fact that all the other magic we've come across is technology as well, that this is definitely. This is definitely one of the most prominent descriptors of something being technology as far as we've come across so far.

Cristina: How so?

Jack: I'll explain in a moment. It does more than we might think as well, which was my initial idea into looking into this deeper. Because all of us believe that it's magic of raising the dead. But this portal part I did not know of. So refreshing what we know. Because now I'm curious. This is where at the point that I finally completely decided. I'm not even returning to the other crap. My next absolute focus is necromancy. Now, I wasn't just looking at the word. I've changed my mind about the subject I'm looking into now. Necromancy has become so complex, I need to look in deeper. Right?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So I do dive deeper and it opens wide. Wide. One of the most complex things I've looked at so far is necromancy. So we're gonna refresh what we know and then collapse into the rest of it. So first mentioned by some Greeks in some Greek writing. The first use of it, by the way, the Greek writing was 2,700 years ago. And there are stories that indirectly mention it that are much older. And There are about nine to 10 different words in Greek describing the same word after and before then. The first mention of it being used is by the Zeus known collaborator Circe and a. An Egyptian man who came to her for assistance. It is believed it could be used to Communicate with the Shadow Realm. And it is believed to bridge a small temporal local gate to the Shadow Realm, allowing for passage. Now, it allows the user to create an ethereal illusion, also defined as a hologram of a being in the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Oh, like a ghost?

Jack: Like a ghost of somebody actually on that side. So you can talk to them physically. See them here. Can be used to control the will of Shadow Realm beings. This is fascinating, because this is suggesting that everything it does somehow interacts with the fabric of the Shadow Realm itself.

Cristina: It can control Shadow Realm people?

Jack: Yes, and minds of Shadow Realm creatures.

Cristina: Who made this?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: It seems really powerful.

Jack: Well, the person we actually have to look at is Cersei, because that's the first mention of somebody going to get help of. From. From somebody for this.

Cristina: But she working on Shadow Realm stuff. I know. Wait, does their team have Shadow Realm creature?

Jack: Greeks, yeah, they do. Forget who was their Shadow Realm thing.

Cristina: But yeah, they have a guy because that seems pretty crazy.

Jack: That's nuts, right? Ability to control the mind of Shadow Realm beings because their mind is made somehow different.

Cristina: You also can control dead people?

Jack: Well, it doesn't really say anything like that. I think they were just kind of assuming demons and creatures from the other side you could communicate, but it seems like they can just show you things from that side.

Cristina: But what about dead bodies here? Can't they do things to them?

Jack: You didn't come across any mention of anything like that?

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. It was more of like bringing stuff from that side over. So it seems like everything they're doing is actually just interacting with Shadow Realm energy.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like, they don't do anything on this side at all that isn't part of connecting over there first.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which becomes even more interesting in a moment. But this definitely leads us to be by far one of the most dangerous things we've ever seen. The ability to control Shadow Realm creatures will.

Cristina: That's insane.

Jack: That's nuts as h***. But apparently it always required the user to have an aid device.

Cristina: That's what they call it. What is it?

Jack: Well, it's a handheld control device of some sort or a small device worn as a necklace. Can be manually operated or voice operated.

Cristina: So it's actual tech. What?

Jack: As far as they know the descriptor words when you translate them and try to find out any possible description for what they might be. It's like the word we would say for knickknack. It's a little knickknack that he would fidget with in his hand. And a thing would happen. They would either have it in their hand or they would wear it around their neck. Like tribal wear was the most frequent comparison. And the knick knack around the neck, you would either have to again, manually do something with it or both. The one that you could just hold or the one that you wear have also been seen in such a way that you can voice activate them.

Cristina: What?

Jack: So a person has held it, not done anything, but spoken to it. And then things have happened and the same has occurred for the one on their necklace. And I'm like, these are out here at some savage a** tech, bro. Yeah, because like this just the descriptions, it breaks down to knickknacks and doodads. The descriptors that people use. The, the. The linguists and the scholars who write this down and give us the English versions that I don't trust. Say necklaces and pendants in a one to one. That is not the word. And then when you check, these people had words for necklaces and pendants. So why do they need this other word that translates to a different word from ours? It's like they don't understand what the gadget is, but they knew what the jewelry you're claiming they're saying is.

Cristina: Yeah, but they know it's not that they're not gonna say, it's that they're just like. It's this thing.

Jack: Yeah, exactly what it is.

Cristina: But it's a thing that they have.

Jack: Exactly. Little gadget, a little thingy. A thingy. They had thingy. And like that's the reality of what they was written down and what was said. There was a thingy. Should have the thing.

Cristina: Who made the thingy? The thingy come from fairies from sea people from Shadow Realm itself?

Jack: Don't know. I do not know. I do not know. That s***'s crazy. Now, personal portals aren't used between earthrealm and Shadow Realm because they are two linked realms and are sort of reflections of one another. Which creates an interesting problem where if a person is moving around on Earth Realm, the opposing side of the portal is also just moving around in the Shadow Realm. To solve this, there are stationary locations, strategically selected, where you can control where the other site is based on where the exit already is. In the Shadow Realm. Build one on one this side, build one on that side. Maybe it's safer for me to walk to Mount Koth on this side than it is for you to travel over there in the Shadow Realm and get murdered by that thing.

Cristina: Explain that again. What's happening?

Jack: Portals Cannot be. They're not usually used for individuals.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes. So portals aren't used between earthrealm and Shadow realms as an individual portal. Like personal portals, because there are two realms are linked and they're very similar and reflections of one another to some degree, which has odd effects. If a person is moving around a personal portal, you have a portable little device or something that could open a portal. You walking around means the other end of the portal is moving around in the shadow realm. So it's inefficient to know where the h*** you're gonna be.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because it's random how it works.

Cristina: So then how do you do it exactly?

Jack: To bypass this. The things built were stationary. El Castillo, Mount Ka, Mount Athos. Locations where you can cypress, where you can control. Because it's always there. It's always the same spot that didn't go anywhere. So the exit is always the same spot. You know where it's going. And again, maybe it's more beneficial for my civilization on this side. I have 15 miles of nothing but safety between here and Mount Ka, but you on your side have 10 miles of a h*** in the same direction. So it doesn't make sense for me to make the portal close to me and then you got to travel those 10 miles and die and never be able to get to me. When I could just make the thing in Mount Kaf and it shows up a little farther, but that's right in front of you in the Shadow realm and you could just jump in front so you could build it strategically because you always know where it is. That's the reason you don't have personal portals. You'd have to beat the the system of the personal portal. The problem of the personal portal, because you can't control the exit if you move, the exit moves because it's relative to where you open it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Always an issue. Big problem. This is getting into granular details between the realms. So it's kind of heavy, almost sciency details about, you know, weird sci fi ideas. Now again, the bypasses giant civilizations made big things. El Castillo, stationary location. Mount Kopf, stationary location. Mount Athos, stationary location. Cyprus, stationary location. So how the h*** do does necromancy tech allow a person to move around with a personal portal and them actively know what's going to be on the other side if it violates a rule of physics, as far as we understand, between both realms? Well, I'll explain because I found that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: What I just needed to explain how crazy complicated that issue really is.

Cristina: Yeah, but they Figured out, yes.

Jack: This is how advanced this is. These guys are breaking and you have.

Cristina: No hints of how it happened. Who started this?

Jack: I have no idea who started this. This is one of the big ones. I'm starting to piece this apart. I just found so much crap. It was just endless. So in the future we might figure it out. Yeah, yeah. This might be one of the biggest pieces we've been missing that we didn't even know to ask for. Because also in all the writings from everybody, everybody had a story of somebody going to a necromancer for assistance. That was always a desperate last, worst case scenario to go to a necromancer. But it was like, oh, everything else failed. We still can do this. Which means like, holy how op is that? That no matter what. Oh, we got the backup plan.

Cristina: It's a black backup plan. Dangerous.

Jack: Somehow though, something is dangerous about it and I don't understand what it is. Perhaps it's the interacting with the shadow realm aspect of it. I don't know.

Cristina: Maybe because maybe you could attract something you don't wanna.

Jack: I think the. Yeah, I think a lot of the ideology framing around it is that you got to understand that the people who were describing a lot of these things were primitive and were not really comprehending. So perhaps this is literally what they thought was the case. The shadow realm is not of intelligent beings, but monsters and demons. And if I fiddle with that, then monsters and demons will follow me home. Because again, they are thinking of the shadow realm as nothing but primitive, ignorant. But it's more or less the same.

Cristina: But they don't know that. Like the whole Halloween thing that we talked about before, kind of similar. That people were afraid of them coming out.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: They just wanted their relatives.

Jack: Yes. But they're actually right. There were some crazy. There are crazier things out there, but it's no crazier than creatures we have. And the same way you'd have to sort of mess up an attractor because you can go camping, it'll be fine. You are not attractive to a bear. But if you start leaving food around and you're reckless that you're told not to. Now you start attracting a bear. The same thing applies to everything. You can do the wrong thing and attract the wrong thing. And this applies to every creature.

Cristina: But people are afraid of wild animals equally. Of like going in the woods and running into a bear. That's equally scary probably than summoning some creature that's gonna.

Jack: Yeah, but it doesn't lead you to believe that all creatures on Earth Are just wild animals, which is essentially what a lot of people believe about the shadow realm. It's just a place of evil and darkness and nothing more. But no, there's people there. Just people. It's just a different thing that happened and developed somehow. Yeah. Before us. We're essentially a product of that, if anything. But I found solutions to this problem. They explain how it works. There are entire breakdowns dating far, far back Explaining how this thing works. So these are some of the explanations that actually elaborate on the technology, the literal technological aspects. And it should make so much sense.

Cristina: Okay, so.

Jack: So this is how this essentially happens. A bridge for communication or passages open through a higher realm referred to as the astral realm. Now, astral realm, I'm like, what the is this?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: No. I then bounce that in and start pulling, like, other words, other words. Somebody's gonna say something I've seen before.

Cristina: What did you find?

Jack: Well, the celtics equivalent of astral realm comes out to a world of magic, which you then take magic and find all the other Celtic words that match it. And fae and elfame and fairy are the other words associated with that same thing.

Cristina: That's very complicated.

Jack: So then you look for the other mentions that directly just translate astral realm to just astral realm, but in that language without it being a different word entirely. And you look at the words surrounding them, and they are also talking about a world of magic.

Cristina: Who's working with fairy magic? Who figured it out?

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. Somebody figured it out. And it's secretive, as. It's more secretive than the entire complicated series of secrets that we've cracked to the point that now we're coming across.

Cristina: Magic to control shadow realm. Like, this isn't.

Jack: This is. Yeah, this is higher level.

Cristina: So it basically, this is what people are afraid of. The sea people. We're figuring out that this is gonna end up being somehow related to the sea people. Yeah, we know they're powerful and the fairies are afraid of them. And the shadow realm are afraid. It like, come on.

Jack: Yeah, this is next level, right?

Cristina: Using fairy magic to control shadow realm creatures. How insane.

Jack: It's heavy. It's heavy. This is next level, man. This is next level. If that's the case, then the level at which we're grading the Elysians based on the Kardashev scale is wrong. Because you got to understand that we would need to pass quite a couple of stages before we get to the shadow realm. If we're talking scale wise, planet is first. That's One star is two. Oh, no. All the star. Right. All of the planet is one. No, all planet is. Yeah, I think all planet. All the energy of the planet. All the energy of the first star. That's number two. All the energy of the entire of a galaxy is number three. All the energy of a universe is number four. In between number four and number five, you should be able to create, manipulate, alter, and destroy universes. Which means you should be capable to be equal to things within that universe. In this case, as strong as something in the shadow realm that can make something like we are. That means that the Elysians aren't number two.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Elysians have somehow.

Cristina: They might be number one. They might be over fairies.

Jack: No, no, no. Not. Not ranked wise. I mean, on the Kardashev scale, instead of. They're four.

Cristina: Four. Okay. What's number five?

Jack: Number five would have to be the multiverse. You'd be able to control multiverses.

Cristina: Okay. We don't know that they're not there, though.

Jack: We don't know. The scale continues to grow and they're the most likely culprit for what's going on here.

Cristina: Okay, this is insane. Because, like, then what? What? And then they're afraid of Jesus.

Jack: We don't know that.

Cristina: Insane.

Jack: We don't know that.

Cristina: And they don't.

Jack: Like, they're trying to keep Jesus from them. And Jesus has ability with just knowing stuff. Jesus has some Santa Claus properties.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You know, he just knows stuff. So it's problematic. They need to be able to keep things away from a guy who just knows stuff. Something about what they're doing.

Cristina: They don't want everyone else to know the stuff that they know. Like, why would they want everyone to have this necromancy abilities, especially the shadow people. Like, I don't know. This is pretty big.

Jack: Yeah, this is pretty huge. It's pretty nuts.

Cristina: He just knows it. He could just share his secret even if he didn't know it. Know it. Like just looking at a book randomly and just sharing that knowledge with everyone by accident. Like that's what he does. And they're afraid of that.

Jack: Okay, so let's go over this again. The bridge for communication or passage is opened through the astral realm, AKA Elfhame, and to the shadow realm. It's through Elfame and to the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Ridiculous.

Jack: This is a bypass for the problem they have of a moving exit point of a moving point B because you're moving at point A Song. So how it works by bridging through the higher realm the entry and exit points meeting in this higher realm. Elfame can be fixed or tied together so that they seamlessly go from one to another like a tube.

Cristina: I think fairy trees have to do with this.

Jack: 100%.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They totally have to bring that.

Cristina: Because we know those might be dead fairies. Maybe. We don't really know. The guess is dead fairies.

Jack: Yes. This is. Yeah. I feel.

Cristina: I feel they're connected to murdered fairies. They have the fairies to make these special. Whatever you want to call them. Plants. Which not might be plants at all, but some other tech that links the three already. These might have to do with the bridge.

Jack: Yeah. And no. We know that they've been working on portals for the longest too. Yes, we know they've been working on portals. And we didn't know. We thought was just for them to get from one to another. Tricks, bro. There's tricks out there. And they were trying to figure out some tricks or did figure out some tricks. And we're piecing together. It reminds me of this game. It's a lot like what's happening with this. All the research we're doing. It's called. It's a game like a PlayStation game. And there's really tiny planets and there's a time loop happening. And you're trying to figure it out. And as you go through the time loop, you understand the time loop more. And. And you just try to find out the history of this time loop and the world surrounding it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Outer world or outer wilds or something like that. Wow. And how we continue to find information feels like that. Because it's out of sync. A lot of time. It's out of order. But again, based on the chronology of these events, the first couple of events having it are way beyond the first couple of stones being made, but before Jesus in a nice warm spot. This also serves to make sense as to why things like Joseph the golem and things like Arthur were easier to make. Because it was way better abilities happening way before that we didn't come across and are probably way more secretive.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But bridge cut through the top part of a realm. Not top of part of a room, but a higher realm. By bridging through the higher realm, the entry and exit can be linked to each other. So either be in really close proximity or tied together. Because you can fix them in this higher realm. You cut through here with one half of the tube and you fix the exit that enters from Earth to the. To Elfhame. You fix the Elfame exit because it's not connected to your Movements.

Cristina: No, it's connected to those trees.

Jack: Yeah. It's somehow stationary. And then you grab the end that comes out of Elfame into the Shadow Realm and you fix that stationary. Now you can make these two completely stationary and they won't move. Tie them to each other. Now, the point that you have in the Shadow Realm isn't moving when you move in Earth Realm. Thus completely shattering the original problem of not being able to move the portal because the destination would move with it. Boom. Necromancy technology. Solving problems at higher thinking.

Cristina: It was very magic.

Jack: Very magic. That's elevated thinking and that's fire. Which that's crazy because it does allow for the simultaneous use of both insane.

Cristina: Are we sure these aren't fairies themselves? Somehow I don't understand. How is it happening? How are they using fairy tech like this?

Jack: I don't know what to tell you, man. Additionally, there have been teachers of this information, but the circumstances. And there have been. There's a few teachers, five total in the last 5,000 years that starting roughly about 3,100 BC to about now.

Cristina: Are they fairies?

Jack: Don't know. It's unknown who they are. They just barely get mentioned. Always relative to necromancy and being teachers of necromancy. Because I'm just doing a massive search for anything relative.

Cristina: So is there no description of these things?

Jack: There's no. No, there's not. Nothing. Nothing about them. Just a couple of the roughest of details. So the teachers of Necromancy exist throughout the centuries. Obviously there are five spread out. It's unclear where in time there are. They're placed.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah. Exactly where in time they're placed. I just know where the latest is. And the earliest was about a thousand years ago. But it's like.

Cristina: And locations. Then you don't know where?

Jack: No. I can tell you the cultures that mention them, but it's unclear where these people venture out of where they live far off to go learn it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They always go to some. The only one we know for sure is the one in Greece, which is Cersei. Outside of that, everybody else ventures off to some other mystic place super far away to go learn the thing.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: So it's always vague. It's always anonymous. It's always in West Bubba. Everybody has the same thing. They go on a quest that eventually leads them to be blinded or to lose consciousness or something. So they don't know where they are and they wake up in a place that they cannot leave. And then they either get the information or get the.

Cristina: It's so Crazy because Jesus was definitely had this power.

Jack: Yeah. And this feels like an abduction, which we've discussed before as well. Being very like just elation abducting people. Because like you're just traveling and you go blind or you pass out and then you wake up in a place you can't escape, where you learn this knowledge and then you come back from that with it. Like what the f*** is that?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Sounds crazy. And you learn it from some anonymous higher intellect. So how much higher are they?

Cristina: Enough to think they're aliens?

Jack: Enough to be beyond the scope if they're. Again, if they're controlling shadow creatures, how the. The leap, the technologic leap between where we are and where that would be. And not just where we are and where that would be, but where the Elysians would be or where we thought they were and where they would have to be is still so colossal. We're not talking two, three stars. We're not talking the great void. We're talking. That's ancient old garbage to them, this tech. The Great Void. Oh, the great Void. Completely vacant black spot in space of millions of entire galaxies. Fully dark because all their stars are trapped inside of Dyson spheres. That is just ancient technology by comparison to what it seems like the Elysians are capable of doing. And it's absolutely possible they're out here in the shadows teaching people how to do these things.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Yeah, why? But of these very few details, they all mentioned the same almost requirements that the people had to have in order to go in to these practices to begin with. Otherwise they would be okay. They wouldn't even be considered. And people were rarely considered at all. There was a whole process. Eliminate. If you think Yu Yu haka show you think the bunch of people who had to fight just to get Guinan's interest. And only two of them would train with her and. Or one of them maybe. I think Yusuke was the only one who's gonna train with her. And then she made an exception for Kubara or whatever the f*** the case may be. But essentially that, oh it's a legendary somebody who does whatever. The legendary, blah blah blah.

Cristina: But involved blood.

Jack: I don't know. Very unclear. That's the point. We're back to crazy amounts of secrecy.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: That we barely know anything about. And I'm sure beyond this point information is going to start breaking down. If we start entering level four on Kardashian scale tech. I guess it's gonna fall apart quickly. But they all had the same requirements, which is a series of knowledge and disciplines required to then become just considered. And you're probably going to be rejected. To then be mentored by whoever the f*** these random nobodies are to get the abilities, or at least the opportunity to. Here's the offer. Try your best. You know. So. So they must know Latin. Anybody who did not know Latin had to start studying Latin. Didn't know how to read. Not happening for you.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We're talking long ago. Learn Latin. You have to learn Latin. If you do not know Latin, you must study Latin, because one, the teachers will only communicate to you in Latin, and two, although people have translated their works, in the more modern cases I've come across, they will not allow you to use that. Okay. They must be familiar with the technical specs and inner workings of Elysian technology.

Cristina: Are you positive? Does not make sense.

Jack: That ain't even it. Because they must also be familiar with Shadow Realm technology.

Cristina: What is happening? There's more.

Jack: They must also be familiar with Elfame technology.

Cristina: How? How's that even possible? How can a person just know about those three things? And these are human beings that are chosen because this makes no sense.

Jack: I don't know of anybody who's been chosen. I know of people who go to the trials.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: I don't know if anybody.

Cristina: There's no way anyone passes this.

Jack: I don't know of anybody who becomes one of these things other than Cersei. Everybody else is extremely anonymous.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's really complicated to come across anything.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. It's absolutely absurd. And the last one is, you must be familiar with the Philosophy of Usage. This phrase threw me so off that I have no idea what to do with it. I looked this up a million different ways and in a million different places. The Philosophy of Usage. Weirdly enough, I found it over and over, but a lot of the times I found the Philosophy of Usage I found by itself, like, as a. Like you finished a paragraph, there's just empty space, and then it just says, the Philosophy of Usage.

Cristina: Understand?

Jack: I don't either. There's no context to help me find what the f*** that means. Obviously, we're talking the translated text, but when you find out. Okay, translate this to that language, mass search the entire document. Where does this show up? Random bottom of a page. Nothing else with it. Okay. Read everything else on the page. Translate all that. Okay. Unrelated to the random one line. The Philosophy of Usage.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: You must be familiar with the Philosophy of Usage, be able to communicate in Latin and be familiar with earthrealm. Shadow Realm and Elfame Tech in order to simply be considered. And then you might still be rejected. And also, I don't know where the h*** these people go. It's very clear that it's somewhere way the f*** out there somewhere. And they know of somewhere. They don't know where. And they know that I gotta find it. That's the quest. I gotta go find it. And they do. But it's also very vague. And they're always there suddenly.

Cristina: Does it have to do with the passage of usage? I want to know what that is.

Jack: The philosophy of usage.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know what the that means. I don't know. I don't know what the h*** any of this is. This is crazy. Somebody just broke. Breaks a hole or knows how to bridge through energy in Elfheim. That's crazy for several people. Or it might be the same guy.

Cristina: I don't know. Is he related to fairies?

Jack: And exists through quite a large period of time in some of the most recent of these things that we have seen. With exception for things like a new.

Cristina: Crazy idea about the. What are those sea people called again? What are we called?

Jack: The Elysians.

Cristina: The Elysians. They are somehow fairies. Maybe we know the Shadow Realm God made them, but maybe he made them based on fairies.

Jack: I don't think he manually went out of his way and made them specifically based on how the story goes. It looks a lot like the existence of man as the older ape. Or not man. I guess not man, because this weren't man. But the Elysians in their primitive state, that was just natural development. Okay, like, he showed up. No, he did meddle with them. Fair enough. He didn't meddle with the apes, then leave, then show up after they'd advanced enough and then spoken with them. But he didn't make them. He just meddled with existing creatures.

Cristina: Well, you don't know how he meddled with them. Like, did he give them fairy blood? We don't know.

Jack: Yeah, it just says that he altered their DNA.

Cristina: Yeah, I'm wondering if maybe with some fairy DNA. I don't know how, but he knows a lot about fairies that we don't know. He knows a lot about. A lot that I don't understand.

Jack: Who this necromancer?

Cristina: Whoever this person is the leader of the Shadow Realm. The ones that made the.

Jack: Oh, you mean the elders. The, like, ancient ones, like Al and Susan.

Cristina: Yes, whoever made them. Whoever made all of us.

Jack: Oh, you mean the sh. Yeah, the Shadow Realmers who made the Earth Realm?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like Galdabaoth?

Cristina: Yes. Insane.

Jack: Yeah. That's some upscale power stuff. That. Because they're above the levels of the Shadow Realm, they're the top tier of that. And whoever these people messing with necromancy are. Are scary to those people.

Cristina: To what people?

Jack: To the top tier in the Shadow Realm based on this. Because they can just skip the Shadow Realm. You can abuse the Shadow Realm, be mobile and vanish at will. That's op.

Cristina: That is. How did they do it?

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. It's crazy. The fact that this. It was possible to piece together through enough different sources how this functions was really dumb. Nope.

Cristina: But what's that last thing? It doesn't make sense. You got no info on it? Not even tiny hint to what you can find?

Jack: I couldn't find anything on the philosophy of usage. I could find everything on the philosophy of usage of it's everywhere. I can't find anything on the philosophy of usage. As in it's never defined. It's always alone.

Cristina: Not even hinted at what it could possibly mean.

Jack: No. The only two contexts you see it in are when it's mentioned by itself, absolutely out of context, and when it's mentioned as a requirement for somebody about to take this trek. That's it. And they also don't clarify. So you know they don't know. You know they don't know. And a lot of people never get too far on the quest.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And the people who get really far on the quest usually don't make it. Anyone who make it really far on the quest and make it don't realize they make it. They're just there suddenly. Sort of like they still don't know where it is. Like they might have been close, but it could have been on the other side of Earthfall. You know, if you're getting f****** abducted.

Cristina: I guess I don't get it. Because it's the top three things than Latin for some reason, which feels like, okay, human.

Jack: No. All the most important.

Cristina: Then the philosophy. I don't know. It's haunting me. What could that mean? Is that like combining all four or something? You have to understand that you first have to know each thing and then how to combine each thing with each other. I don't know.

Jack: No, because there's a guy we know in the Shadow Gods team who knows how to merge Shadow tech. And by the way, we were talking about that guy becoming more important because we thought it was stupid that he was just picked up because he could merge the two techs or I did. And then you were like, it's about merging. And like. Yeah, exactly.

Cristina: This seems like. Yes.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, it's totally going. But you remember, right?

Cristina: He gets it.

Jack: That like tech merger.

Cristina: Yeah. He's in the Shadow Room though.

Jack: He's the Shadow Gods. Yeah, he's one of those dudes. So. I don't know. This is. It's been really twisting my head.

Cristina: That's very complicated. Where do you go from there? Can't even find what it is.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. I gotta find what the h*** the philosophy of usage is. I gotta find out who the h*** these necromancers are that are teaching people or showing them or what? I don't know. I don't know.

Cristina: So uncle, where are they from? What are they?

Jack: Where are. Yeah, where are they? What are they? Ah, it'd be crazy if we came across a different group.

Cristina: Group. Oh my gosh.

Jack: Or rogue elves.

Cristina: No, that doesn't make sense. Or maybe rogue elves. Maybe more likely badass.

Jack: I hope it's rogue elves. You know how cool that is? There's.

Cristina: There has to be the snakes.

Jack: Yeah, there's rogue Naga. Oh, you think these are Naga helping people?

Cristina: Yeah, we have the rogue elves. They're Nagas.

Jack: Some of them are. You think there's some rogue fairies?

Cristina: Yes, fairies, elves. It's the same thing.

Jack: Elves aren't Naga.

Cristina: But they're fairies.

Jack: They're fairies. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're like human looking.

Cristina: They're human looking. Oh, aren't the Nagas?

Jack: No, the Nagas are serpents.

Cristina: Sometimes serpents, sometimes humans.

Jack: Elves are made by Elfhame to push people's abilities down.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I guess supervise her abilities.

Cristina: You think some of them are rogue?

Jack: I don't know what the h*** is going on. I have no idea what the f***. This s*** sounds so ridiculous. Every time we find some new scalar for power, it's more ridiculous than the last. And we've gone from simple people who are slightly more powerful and technologically advanced than the people surrounding them to. These people are potentially so strong that universal powers couldn't put a stop to them. Talk about Goku on some s***. That's the real world Goku.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Anyways, that is what I came up with when I dove in the direction of necromancy.

Cristina: Ridiculous.

Jack: Apparently it split open the whole schnozzle.

Cristina: There has to be something else. We have. There's more. There's definitely more.

Jack: There's always more.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's literally no end to this. It just gets deeper. And bigger and wider and huger and.

Cristina: Fatter and juicier and never makes any more sense.

Jack: Yeah, it makes. I mean that's what that's gonna happen. It's gonna get way more abstract the higher up we go. But unlike finding out about things from really really really really really really really really really long ago go, it seems way easier to track down multiple sources for things more recently because there's way more records on it. And even if they're super secretive, it's hard to erase absolute mention as more people know how to write as more people leave some evidence of a narrative.

Cristina: And do you think you'll find something Morisa?

Jack: Yeah, a bunch of this stuff. Although it started pretty late, necromancy was active as like with record until pretty recently. It's still used pretty frequently now. It was way active, not just way in the past. It was actually more scarce back then. It seems to have had a big moment in the middle ages and it seems to then again have had a pretty big moment in the 16 and early 1700s which that coincides perfectly when you think about that the early 1700s 1700s leads to the birth of Draco who is the guy who had the alicorn handed to him by the so like there's a lot of you know, the closer to now we get the more sources we find more people who will just again random just captain happen to jot down about the freaking Antonio Draco.

Cristina: Yeah but like weirdo on his boat.

Jack: Okay, yeah. As more people can just do that it becomes harder and harder to erase your existence. When you show up capture casually it's further back that it breaks down. I was trying to find out origin stories from El's time.

Cristina: Impossible.

Jack: Yeah, it becomes really difficult but instantaneously I can tell you that there were a couple within just last a thousand five hundred years.

Cristina: Okay, so you can talk more about that next time.

Jack: All right, we're sure. Anyways, if you guys want to leave us some info, some translations, some opinions, some ideas, some interpretations I suppose was more what I was aiming for for the information we have provided. You guys can do that on our socials. You can hit us up at just convopod on X, on Instagram, on Facebook.

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Jack: California was down. They're like, whatever, dude. You can brainwash those people into anything. Just should have kept the tech in California. But no, you have to backtrack California because that got sloppy too. You pass the digital law. Cause that even the Californians were like.

Cristina: Bro, what's going on?

Jack: What the. Yeah, like, what the is going on? You just cool with kids being taken and then mutilated somewhere? What you need to an excuse to cause them to bleed? Well, we can. Oh, yeah, we can do these surgeries. Mastectomies, double mastectomies on children. Yeah, that makes sense. Totally. We can chop boy's p**** off. It makes total sense.

Cristina: That's for adrenochrome, too.

Jack: All of that gets you a hold of blood. You get to cut people open. You get to create incisions that blood is going to come out of. You have to keep them alive. Oh, you know, you need several surgeries. Thousands of children need several surgeries. Who knows the process that was taking place on the island? I am sure they weren't just killing the kids. That's not efficient. You feed them, you keep them horrified, you keep them alive, and you drain them consistently. A supply was the supply island. We need to somehow figure that system out again. They were like, oh, we're f****** gonna create a medical issue, or we take the children. What did they say? You could. Your. Your child protective services could take your children and they could put your child through the transitioning process.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

December 09, 2023

Rambling 253: Nephilim

December 09, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Why were out-breeding illegal to the Elysians? Why did it take so long for the Nephilim to appear in the records? What can any of this tell us about the bigger picture? The duo finally dive into the long awaited Nephilim. This Ambiguous third race of Earth.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

The Nephilim
Elysians
Azazel
Giants
St. Arnold
Norwegian Northern Islands

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. Ideas. And today, in continuation to the infinite spiral of information that has entirely devolved from once upon a time looking at a unicorn and then finding out that somebody thought that was a real thing, and then chasing that until we landed at extremely advanced individuals with technologies beyond our understanding.

Cristina: I happened to live under the sea.

Jack: They happen to live under the sea. Both instances.

Cristina: Both, yeah.

Jack: Because in the Persian Gulf oasis, the palace of Alcaraz was underneath the water, and then in Atlantis, it is beneath the Atlantic Ocean. And. Yeah, that's a weird. I don't know, they love doing that. Actually, I've not thought about that too hard. That's a weird one. Yeah. Why always under. I guess it's just harder to get to them.

Cristina: But we know they're not just under the sea because of Ireland or not Ireland, but that place with the trees, I don't know where that's at.

Jack: Oh, but those are small. The Isle of Man. Yeah, but what you're talking about. And by the way, we're talking about the Elysians, as you guys know, this is. This is what we do here. But yeah, the Alicians. What happened in the Isle of Man was essentially a scientific settlement, not their main civilization. It seems like their main civilization is this thing that they. This settle, not settlement, this true city.

Cristina: I don't know, because that's also like a bunch of scientists as well.

Jack: Like, you think the whole place is of scientists?

Cristina: No, we don't know where the real. Their real places, where the actual people are. We just know the locations of the scientists.

Jack: Why would you think. Fantastic. You think the palace of Alcaraz itself was a facility for science, not a city. But it's described as a city. Yeah, we've caught a couple of descriptions of descriptors of that as a city and of Atlantis as a city, to the point that Mananan himself is described as from Elysium in the Atlantic.

Cristina: Oh, okay, so it is a city.

Jack: It is a city.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It is a bunch of people. And the fact that Mary just lived in the Persian Gulf oasis before she became the host of this experiment. So, you know, it goes to say that they for sure, for sure, for.

Cristina: Sure, for sure live under the sea.

Jack: For sure. Not just that they live under the sea, but that's their main city. As far as we know.

Cristina: As far as we know.

Jack: As far as we know. Anyways, looking at the Atlanteans, which are really not the Atlanteans, but closer to being called just the Sea people, as we've called them for a very long time, but are really labeled the Elysian Sea people, is it courtesy to the Greek. But they are called Elysians, as we found out later, courtesy of following the trail of Mananan. And as we have followed, we found that again, some weapons can in fact kill creatures from Elfame. Elfame is where the fairies are from. Fairies is not the fairies we are accustomed. In terms of fairies. Fairies are a highly intelligent. Not necessarily. I'm sure there's animal style fairies similar to the Shadow Realm. It is just a different reality of sorts that exists parallel to Earth Realm, which is what we understand to be our reality, our universe. And they exist really next to each other and are very different to one another, I guess. Not next to each other, but beneath and above, like Elf. If we were to say there's an entire universe, there's a whole universe and there's a one black hole in that universe and you jump in through that black hole. Now you landed inside of the Shadow Realm. If that first one was all fame. So they're like below each other in that. The Shadow Realm is below somehow Elfame. Because it's just a tiny little. A tiny little.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But it still exists within Elfhame somehow. But it's just a tiny little. But then you have to do that one more time in this infinitely big shadow Realm. That's just an infinitely small point in Elfan. You do that one more time in an infinitely small point in the Shadow Realm and you get us.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so that's the visual I get when I'm. It's like funneling, you know, from Alphane.

Cristina: Start is starting.

Jack: Elfin is the big one and we're the small one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or the other way around. The funnel would begin at Elfame and everything comes out of that. So you'd have a pyramid where elf flame is the top of the pyramid. Everything cons like comes out of that and then. Yeah, which is a weird example because the stupid pyramid thing assumes that the tip of the pyramid comes first and everything below it comes after. But that makes no sense. You don't build a pyramid top down.

Cristina: How do you know that's not how it was made?

Jack: The what? The. The pyramids?

Cristina: Yes. What if you found out? Wouldn't that be even more amazing?

Jack: The pyramids were made top down like that. The. The metallic. What is it, bronze or gold that they had there beforehand was just floating. Which at this point, like, I wouldn't put it past them with the level of technology that they had at that time. Anyways. Looking at weapons that can actually kill creatures from Elfame that we discovered was a thing. We get to our first mention of a Nephilim. And in that first mention of a Nephilim, it was kind of a curious thing that I ignored at first because there was another weapon that was similar to Excalibur and we dove in that direction. Expl. Is that thing. And cool. But I decided to go back and check this thing about the Nephilim out because the first mention we've had, I've been wondering when they're eventually going to pop up. And they did. So in diving into the Nephilim, I came across a couple of interesting things. And we're going to discuss those interesting things.

Cristina: What are the things? Are they Nephilim? Are you calling them things?

Jack: These Nephilim are. Can you imagine everything. Okay, so these Nephilim, the Nephilim, the Nephilim, the falafel. As I've been doing lately, I went through definitions, I looked at some names, I looked at different words that match. Actually found this way more. We've actually seen this a couple of times, not knowing that these words meant Nephilim.

Cristina: Really.

Jack: They've actually been mentioned. This is not the first instance, but there's an issue here that I did not know. But luckily I'm not the first person to look into this little doohicker. So let's talk about some of the finer details associated with the Nephilim. I don't have a radio voice. And that's frustrating because a lot of people do that thing where they feel obligated to have a radio voice. And everything they do sounds like this, you know, And I. I feel left out because I sound too human. And I like that ro. I like that robotic level of excite.

Cristina: You want to do that throughout the whole episode.

Jack: It's impossible to sustain. How much cocaine must I do, you know, like, get the h*** out of here. Anyways, so the Nephilim, simple basics of the Nephilim, they are a hybrid between Elysians and human, which are two different types of Earthlings. Things we know related to the Nephilim. They are. It's considered a criminal offense to breed with humans by the Alicians. Like the Alicians consider that a crime, as we know, because Azazel was convicted of having been breeding with Egyptian women. And so he was imprisoned. And after his imprisonment, he joins the shadow gods.

Cristina: That's why he was in prison for.

Jack: Yeah, he was imprisoned for.

Cristina: I don't remember.

Jack: Pregnant Egyptian women. Oh, well, because it is illegal, which is interesting. Why is it illegal?

Cristina: Is it okay to have sex with them if they don't get pregnant?

Jack: I think. I think so. I think it's getting them pregnant that's illegal.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Which is like. Okay. They're tools, I guess. I guess so. The word Nephilim and the word giant get used interchangeably in many, many, many, many, many, many texts. This includes some of the big hitters. Hindu texts, Christian texts, Judaish texts, Islamic texts, and Celtic texts. Giant. Oh, I'm Greek giant, kind of anywhere that you look seems to be used interchangeably with the word Nephilim.

Cristina: But do they use it the same way? Like, are these giants in all these stories created from things that shouldn't be together? Gods and humans or whatever?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Oh, what?

Jack: Yep. That was like. That was gonna be the big conclusion I was gonna get to. That was literally gonna be the big conclusion I was gonna get to. Yes, that is the weird part. And there's a perfect example of Loki in this instant having a child with a giant and then resulting in these creatures.

Cristina: He makes giants.

Jack: He makes giants. He. No, he mates with humans as he's a giant.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: He meets with humans and then he breeds these things, like the World Serpent, which we found out is not really the World Serpent, but I mean, it's not really a child of Loki. As opposed to a child of Oros?

Cristina: Yes. Okay, what about that giant horse? Is that his.

Jack: Yeah, that's his child's woe. But yeah, so that was a really weird realization, the fact that. Yeah, there's consistency across all of this. They're used interchangeably. And it seems like every instance of the mentioned giant is actually referring to a Nephilim. And the process to get there seems to be the same. So the word giant shows up, but always in title and rarely in size.

Cristina: What do you mean rarely in size?

Jack: It's never describing their size. It's always describing. It's a title. Giant is a title, not a descriptor.

Cristina: So they're not all giant.

Jack: Not one of them, really. Ooh, that's a. Not one of them. It's harder to find an instance. So this suggests a definition of giant in ancient texts is actually closer to the definition of Nephilim, which is son of the greats.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or merge or hybrid of the greats, something along those lines.

Cristina: But not actual giants.

Jack: Okay, not actual giants. Barely ever. It was one mention, and it was under the word warrior. And this was in Jewish texts, and it's under the word warrior in the Hebrew Bible. And the debate was whether the word warrior here was to mean giant or to mean nephilim. But it still happened that it most likely in that case, it just so happened to be that in that case, it probably just meant tall big guy.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But funny enough, even the word warrior sometimes just means nephilim.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Yeah. So the most frequent definition found for the word giant had zero physical descriptors. And actually most often than not would be described. Giant was to describe immense strength, immense power, and a lot of times how quick they were to get angry, emotional. They were really rarely ever to describe size. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then philologist John Frederick. A philologist is a person who studies the history of language. Oh, it's funny you said falafel earlier, because it sounds just like it. But the philologist John Frederick Lindo, he was combing through and comparing and contrasting ancient texts, essentially looking for the same things that I'm looking for, on average. And he discovered this very fact, the fact that every time the word giant shows up, it's not in any instance referring to. To an actual giant.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So what makes this guy an actually credible source is that he attempts to disprove his findings and he actually finds it easier to find texts in which they're using the word giant to describe the offspring hybrid of. Or the hybrid offspring, I suppose, to some creature and humans. And oftentimes that creature seems to be human and it seems to be just greater than human, presumably the Elysians. Almost every time he finds it that much easier. And so chasing his little leads. I looked into that, and yes, that is correct. Almost every mention oftentimes leads to the word giant being a mistranslation. So that's a lot of giants in a lot of texts, if we were to assume, and it showed itself across all different major mythologies that this pattern exists. By the way, we're talking in Hinduism, we're talking Greek mythology, we're talking Christian mythology, Islamic mythology, all the Abrahamic religions that come from. So Christianity, Judaism, Islam, the Celtic religions. Almost everybody's using the. The word giant. We might be using the f****** word incorrect. Talking about big creature.

Cristina: They're not.

Jack: They're not. And this was quite largely the definition of the word they were using was the offspring. The Hybrid offspring of this greater other thing.

Cristina: Everybody Is the greater thing. Greater than just us, or is it greater than both us and the other thing?

Jack: No, no, no, wait. Oh, you mean the offspring. So that's unclear. That's unclear. But we're definitely going to walk into that in one moment because there are some theories I have about that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, the Greek originally translated the word Nephilim from the Hebrew texts into giants. They were the first to do that back in the day.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then that spreads to the Hebrew texts and eventually the rewrites from older texts. So this is actually part of the.

Cristina: Greek of changing the words meaning.

Jack: Yeah. And this is just random edit that got moved through time, essentially. Now, what I find interesting about this, the Greek texts being the ones that altered all these other things. There is a Saint Arnold who's a Jew, and Saint Arnold the Jew, or let me put this a different way, he's a Greek who happens to have been born in Israel. So he's ethnically Jew, not necessarily religiously Jew, but seems to be writing texts in all instances for the Catholic religion, except for this one instance in which they were assisting in writing the Greek mythology. And he's responsible for the trade off of the word Nephilim to the word giants that just so happened to then affect all the major religions. Afterwards, I found that weird and suspicious.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because somebody from the region that the Elysians are from changed a word that made everybody completely alter how they speak.

Cristina: About that is strange. Okay, so you think it has to do with them, though, that they were hiding the fact?

Jack: Yeah, I think that.

Cristina: What are they called again?

Jack: The Aletians. Yeah. I do think that St. Arnold is essentially suppressing or assisting in the suppression. St. Arnold might not even really be an Israeli. That might just be an Elysian.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, or at least related enough in the way the St. Peter was.

Cristina: Elysians look like humans, though.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay, they do.

Jack: They are bronze skin, light eyes, as far as the descriptors go.

Cristina: Okay, but they seem pretty human.

Jack: Yeah, they seem pretty human. It's just some like. Oh. It's like the difference between looking at a mortal and looking at Zeus and they go immortal looks mortal. Zeus looks like a person, but he also looks like an immaculate, perfect version of that.

Cristina: Okay, like vampires.

Jack: Yeah, just fit. But vampires could look imperfect, you could have scars and you could have this figurements. A God is just born perfect. So, like, that's essentially how the descriptors seem to make out the elisions and white hair. I don't know. Why everybody has white hair. It's white hair. Bronze skin and light eyes.

Cristina: White hair is something. Whoa. That's weird. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. With bronze skin. That's odd. And the light eyes could either be green or blue. Just very light.

Cristina: That's very strange because they're always underwater. Like, how does that affect any of it? Brown skin?

Jack: Like, brown skin. What do you need that for?

Cristina: Are you getting bronze skin though?

Jack: Yeah. What do they need it for? Why do they have so much melanin if you're never getting sunlight?

Cristina: Weird. Okay.

Jack: Or maybe they have artificial light being made in this way. I don't even know. There has to be a way that this is beneficial somehow. Anyways, yeah, I'm very suspicious of Saint Arnold and. Yeah, so because of this. Actually, the. This is. I will tell you the exact moment that is suspected. This happened because of the alteration of the word Nephilim to giant in the Greek text being translated into Latin. Which is interesting that this guy knows Latin if he is a Jew. Whose side are you on, bro? You're Jew writing some Greek mythology into Latin. Which group do you want to belong to? He said yes. Anyways, so, yeah, St. Arnold's suspicious guy. And because of the Greek that have moved the word and made it to giants from being Nephilim, but also the Greek being the same people who've described the Titans as being these colossal creatures, but giants being colossal creatures. In later texts of Greek mythology, these two things get merged. And it's believed that the giants of Greek mythology are the Titans of Greek mythology. But these are not the same people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Those are actually two different groups of people.

Cristina: What are the Titans?

Jack: The Titans are some other thing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: While the.

Cristina: The Titans are actually giants or.

Jack: No, I guess it would have to be. Right.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: And this actually comes back to Norse mythology, where we know that there are two types of giants. Ice giants and normal giants. I think one of those is actually giants.

Cristina: One of them is.

Jack: And one of them is Nephilim. Hence why so many cultures have two types of giants. It's not two types of giants.

Cristina: Yes. They're just. The word has gotten confused.

Jack: The word has gotten confused. And we're actually seeing Nephilim be mentioned everywhere.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's why we weren't seeing it, because it's been warped and edited thanks to freaking Saint Arnold, who somehow had enough influence in this one change that later affected everything else.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: The plot of thickens. So there are three mentions in the Hebrew Bible that are of note, and there are two that are well, there are three mentions and there are two that are of note. The first one is directly before the events of Noah's Ark. Now let me establish what this means. The mention of Nephilim occurs and then almost instantaneously after the mention of Nephilim in the Hebrew Bible, the need for the flood arrives. I found that interesting, but I moved forward until I found the second mention, the third insignificant. It's just casually mentioned. That's the one with the word warrior. It was more about a debate of whether this is referring to the Nephilim or referring to the literal word giant, in either case, not using the word that it's referring to. But the second dimension is an instance in which it refers to them as Anakim, which becomes useful in a moment. The Quran also has giants referencing the Nephilim. That word means Nephilim. And in the Quran we actually get a text that then later makes a correction to this and refers to the Nephilim in Islamic as the Ad.

Cristina: What does that.

Jack: What it translates to Nephilim. And Nephilim translates to sons of gods. Okay, so the Ad, which is Islamic for Nephilim. And now we got enough information for me to dive in. I'm like, okay, I've gotten a couple mentions. I know what some of these are. Let's dive deep. So two different spellings for Nephilim are N E F I L I M or N E P H I L I m. Both of those say Nephilim. We have the Anakim, we have the odd. We have the word giants. And all of those are used interchangeably, it seems in all of the mythologies and religions of the world collectively, everybody agrees giants equals nephilim.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now in Enoch's the Book of Jubilees, he states that ridding the earth of the Nephilim was the reason for the flood. Interesting.

Cristina: That's the reason for the flood.

Jack: That's the reason for the flood. What was the flood really? And there's only one group of people we know with the resource and energy to do such things. I looked to see when on average the flood occurred. And the flood occurred about 2,500 years before Christ, which puts this at the peak of, not the peak, but sort of at the uprise of quite a couple of places and sort of around the same time, surprisingly, that Azazel gets booted. So there's some correlation happening there. Along with that, it seems to be either exactly 5,000 years. Not literally exactly, I'm being. But, you know, two to three years difference from exactly 500 or exactly a thousand year range from major events with the furthest being exactly 10,000 years from a previous event that happened 12,000 years ago. So it happens for whatever reason to be interval mathematically about 500 years intervals from major events that this occurred and we get a bunch of flooding. I don't know what that means. Some numerology right here, if that matters in your life.

Cristina: It does not. I don't get it.

Jack: I don't get it. That was a weird pattern that somebody mentioned and I looked it up and I was like, oh, that's interesting. Weird occurrence, but random. Yeah, absolutely random. But somebody had noted that, like, yeah, this seems to be almost exactly this range. And I'm like, all right, let me look. It's like, oh, okay, that's weird.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Just an odd fact about Nephilim and the possibility that a giant flood 2500 years before Christ was somehow timed perfectly with a bunch of other major events, which I don't know how the h*** that would even happen.

Cristina: No.

Jack: But yeah, that's Enoch's end of that. So now I looked into the odd, followed that as well.

Cristina: Which is the odd again.

Jack: The odd is the Islamic word for nephilim.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And following up on the Quran's mention of the odd, they gave us a location for where we can find a group of them. And they are in Arabia as refugees from Persian pursuit and persecution, which, okay, the Arabians are not part of Persia. And this comes from old Arab texts.

Cristina: The Nephilims are being pursued, not pursued.

Jack: But they're fleeing here as refugees to avoid pursuit. So according to ancient Arabic texts, they agree with. Oh yeah, some special people from Persia came over to where we are and we welcomed them to live over here peacefully because they weren't welcome over there. And then we think about the fact that we know that they literally made it illegal and you're like, okay, so there's a settlement of Nephilim in Arabia. They're out there like the Naga. Just a small location like the Naga, but well hidden.

Cristina: Or like stories about them.

Jack: Yeah, it's there. They're hidden, they're seen walking around, blending in to people on average when needed. They have special abilities, extra strength.

Cristina: They don't look anything unique either.

Jack: Yeah, they could just.

Cristina: They probably look even more human than without.

Jack: Like, yes, they can. They got mixed DNA.

Cristina: Yep. Yeah.

Jack: Okay, so they're more easily blended into the population, which allows them to go unseen.

Cristina: They have abilities.

Jack: They have abilities. They're incredibly strong, incredibly fast. They. And they're quick to anger. But they tend to. You know, they're still people, so they can cycle, good or bad. So there's some good ones, there's some bad ones. This reminds me of in Full Metal Alchemist, the people of Ishmael, and how there were good ones and bad ones. The people with the red eyes.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: There were good ones and bad ones, just like there are for anyone else. But the group of people seeking them in fear of them saw them all equally.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Something that's very similar in this instant in which there are Nephilim, you know.

Cristina: Who are just being killed off because.

Jack: They'Re just bad guys. Then there's good ones, too. The majority, they just want to live. They're trying to live.

Cristina: But we're not killing them off because they're good or because. I mean, they're. Because they're bad.

Jack: Why are they running away? We're not killing them all.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Why are the Alicia. Why are they running from the Alicians?

Cristina: The Elysian wants to kill them off.

Jack: Yeah. So they come hiding amongst us.

Cristina: But they're. They're not killing them because they're good or bad, though. They're killing them because of what they are, I guess, which is. I'm not really sure what it is, because what makes them a threat or something That's.

Jack: That's what's confusing to me. Like, what is the point of them this being illegal?

Cristina: Like, Jesus. Type of magic, are they?

Jack: No, there's no magic involved. They're just biological.

Cristina: Yeah. So why kill them?

Jack: I don't know. It's really weird. Right.

Cristina: I understand that. Maybe the whole making it illegal to mate with them, that's weird. You shouldn't probably mate with something similar to you that's obviously beneath you, like an ape or something. Don't do that. But, like, why are you gonna murder that baby, that weird human ape baby you just had with that ape?

Jack: And that is weird when you put it into perspective like that, because if you consider.

Cristina: Because that's what's happening.

Jack: Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Ultimately, that's what's happening. It's like if.

Cristina: Unless there's a deformity.

Jack: No, listen, it's 100% like. You're totally right. I'll paint you the picture. I have a lab. I am a very successful scientist, and I experiment with apes all the time. And then I successfully managed to acquire a team of apes that are just smart enough to help run machinery and things, and I can teach them and try to communicate with them in the process of working with them so consistently. But then I Fall in love with this female ape. There are laws in place preventing me from sticking my d*** inside this ape.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Bestiality is illegal.

Cristina: Yeah. So it makes sense. It's illegal for them.

Jack: I get it. Yeah. Okay.

Cristina: But I still don't understand killing the child. Unless it's like there's something wrong with the child that they feel like it needs to die.

Jack: I don't know. It's really weird. It really is. And if you had a child with.

Cristina: An ape, I'm sure that child would be horrifying. Like there would be something wrong with it that you'd want. You would want to kill it because like it's. It's life would be miserable.

Jack: But this is a. This is a town, a settlement of people who are Nephilim hiding. This isn't just a bunch of deformities, as far as I know.

Cristina: As far as you know, they could be like. Like when we used to kill people who were different because they. They were special. But I feel left handed.

Jack: I feel like this would have popped up looking at it, that they're hideous monstrosities or deformed or freaks of nature or some. Not just no mention of anything like that whatsoever. That's too prominent to just like be glossed over.

Cristina: Maybe there's something for like to compare them to giants.

Jack: Maybe that's how you're not being compared to giants. That's entirely due to that word confusion that happened thanks to some creepy random.

Cristina: You don't know anything about them unless you do know something about them.

Jack: No, there's actually very little on this. This is what I'm saying. I'm not even going. I'm not even assuming that there's something like there's very little on any Nephilim. But following up on the mentions, we locate a settlement of them living in secrecy among the people of Israel. That's the Anakim.

Cristina: That's the name of the people.

Jack: Yes. This was mentioned in the Bible, which was the second mention in the Hebrew Bible. And they referred to them a settlement of giants, the Anakim. And that's hidden right there in Israel, which is part of Persia.

Cristina: I just think it's so weird that they want to kill them. Like they. If the whole Bible story of flooding the earth to get rid of them is true.

Jack: What? Why?

Cristina: Why? Why, why are they hiding? Why are they being killed off?

Jack: What? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like, what's the point? What is. What is happening? Just. Okay, you don't cast a person out and then don't deal with it anymore. Why go out of your way to eradicate them. Like there's some other problem happening there. Why can't you just ignore them? Is it because you don't want the DNA continue to roll out this way?

Cristina: Gotta be something wrong with that DNA. Maybe. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know either. You think they've gone to the point where reproducing by natural means is impossible and so they can only reproduce effectively without destroying something scientifically through inseminations and things of that nature. It was actually an episode of Star Trek like this that they looked for people who had genetic material that they can use to add to the population. Because they had run out. They've exhausted by copying and they become copies of copies of copies of copies of copies. And everybody on the planet is the same, like six people. So they needed to add new genetic material in order. And when our heroes arrive, the Z Fighters. When the Z Fighters arrive to this new space civilization. Yeah.

Cristina: Dragon Ball Zone. Star Trek.

Jack: I was. And then I added the heroes from Dragon Ball Z. They're also in space.

Cristina: They're aliens.

Jack: Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Star Trek. They could totally come across, like, they come across Q. What stops them from coming across, like, Goku. Although if you come across Goku, you got some problems because you know something crazier is about to happen anyways. It's easier to find mention of them than it is to find anything they've done. We'll come across, oh, that thing was a giant. Or this thing was a giant. And then we. Can you cross reference a bunch of other texts and be like, oh, yeah, this means Nephilim. We have very little activity from the Nephilim. There's a couple of stories and we're going to dive into those in the future.

Cristina: Ah, boo.

Jack: It's nothing impressive. It's not even worth it might into something. Which is why we'll go through it. But we need a collection of them because it's essentially not useful enough on its own. So I think exciting to talk about. There's just instances of the parents of these individuals being exciting and always going and banging some human mortal. And then here we got one.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: There's never like. The Nephilim themselves are very prominently considered rejects amongst most texts.

Cristina: There must be a reason why.

Jack: There must be a reason why. And considering the Norse knew of a place on Earth where giants came from, which was Jotunheim, I decided to look in that direction as well to see what the Norse individual knew of Jodenheim. And so one. Yes. First I was looking at what other descriptors they were using to describe talking about or I guess writing about the people of Jotunheim, the giants. And it seems that yes, in that instance too, they were quite elite. Elite people comparable to gods just beneath them, oftentimes the offspring of those really great and those really normal, leading to an entire civilization of giants, unquote, which basically just sounds like more Nephilim.

Cristina: And following that, the Nephilims make more Nephilims. Question mark. I don't know.

Jack: If two Nephilim were to mate. Yes.

Cristina: Yeah, I don't know what that means, but okay.

Jack: Yeah, that would just have a child who's also half and half. Like if you had a non Nephilim, I guess you'd tilt it in the direction of whatever that is. Like if a Nephilim mated with a human, the child would be more human than it would be more whatever whatever. But two Nephilims together would still have a child that's half and half. So they'd just make more Nephilim. But looking into it takes us to the northernmost islands of Norway where there is an island named Himmel Tinden, where there is a large settlement of Nephilim living considered to be the home of Nephilim. Interesting enough what we get last time on Dragon Ballsy. The dude named like who goes north. And then from north arrive the people who claim to essentially be Alicians, but there's something off about it. And like where'd you go? North. That doesn't check out. That's north though.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So they weren't actually Alicians, they were Nephilim.

Cristina: They had Alician tech.

Jack: Well, they weren't. No. Sort of. I don't know. It's complicated, right. Because Mananan is a clean elation and Mananan doesn't have a problem with the rest of these people. And Monanan joins this group of people. Are these people the same as the Nephilim who are not liked and presumably as Mananan is a literal high ranking elation in the way we are used to. Why would it be cool?

Cristina: It doesn't make sense.

Jack: Exactly. Thought about it. Yeah, it doesn't. There's some conflicting information here because it's the only source of elation. Anything I could find that named could have gone to. I still don't know what the h*** was up north that he went to. And then these people came from the north and they're like Elysian. But I do know that they came from the north after Nemed went up north and I know that these Nephilim were up north in the islands of Norway. Hamel Tinden, the Ellen Hamilton.

Cristina: How do you know they weren't killed off by Alicians and then they took their place or something? I don't know.

Jack: That would be crazy. And I don't know why they would take their place as opposed to just kill them off and keep it moving. That'd be extra weird.

Cristina: Maybe they just like the way they live. I don't know. I don't know.

Jack: And then say that they're offspring.

Cristina: That's weird. That's. That's very.

Jack: Based on how they're describing it, it sounds like they might be Nephilim. But then the idea here is where did you go and why is Mananan with you? That's what's messing it up. Because we're the offspring. How are you both Elysian and the offspring of named. Do you see the problem there? Nephilim, man. Just based on. What the h***?

Cristina: Yes. Well, why didn't. Why was he cool with them?

Jack: I don't know. Which means this guy did in fact go up to the island of Norway. He was actually there because based on what they said. Yes. If they are both Elysian and they are ancestors of the Nemedians, then what.

Cristina: The h***, Maybe they're not first generation of Nephalem. So they're okay. Like after a certain point you don't kill them. You just need to kill the actual ones. And then like, they only have a problem with the ones that are the offspring. And the people who I guess have sex with humans are a problem. But besides those two, anything under that is okay.

Jack: Anything underneath, like the children of.

Cristina: Children of. Children of the Nephilim are okay. But if it was like the first generation of Nephilims, that would have been a problem. He would have killed them.

Jack: Well, this is. This is where I believe we have confusion. Right. Because the argument here would be that the Nemedians that went north didn't mate with the Nephilim, they mated with Alicians.

Cristina: No, I think they made it with Nephilim.

Jack: You think they made it with Nephilim? Yeah, I think this place of Nephilim existed prior and the Nemedians went up to there instead of the Nemedians going up there and then mating with Elysians, which would then allow us to both have a settlement of Elysians and a settlement of Nephilim.

Cristina: Because then why would he be okay with them? Why would it be okay? No, because the Elysians would want them dead. Unless these are the worst Elysians that are okay with Nephilim breeding.

Jack: Well, no, the argument here would be, and this is just the thought I'm having at this moment, what if there are some secret Nephilim living amongst the Elysians? How would the Elysians tell? Is there a tell?

Cristina: Is there a tell?

Jack: Is there a tell?

Cristina: There might be a tell if, like, they don't have blonde hair or whatever.

Jack: Interesting. Yes. If they don't have. It's not even blonde hair, it's silver.

Cristina: Silver, okay. That's crazy.

Jack: Yeah, it's silver hair. It's like really, really silver eyes and then bronze skin.

Cristina: No way do they look exactly like that once they mix with a human. No way.

Jack: So they have to lose some of these characteristics, which inherently just makes it so they can't be.

Cristina: Yeah, Unless you have stories where they couldn't tell, like, if there was something to hint to, like they're indistinguishable.

Jack: No, man. I just got three different cities where there are places that they live. We got three different locations that they live. We have different words for who describes them. And in the future, we're going to have a couple of stories, none of which seem blatantly exciting or anything.

Cristina: I'm hoping to find details describe any of them, even the teeny bit they look like people.

Jack: Most descriptors look like people.

Cristina: They look more human than whatever, then. Yeah, I think so.

Jack: The Nemedians did not go. They did go north, but they made it with Nephilim, which means they're the ancestors of existing Nephilim. But why would they continue to refer to themselves as Leash and them, if they are less.

Cristina: That's cool.

Jack: They're less elation, so. But then they come down and they still have overpowered elation tech. This doesn't work.

Cristina: Why not?

Jack: So the Nephilim that were there had a.

Cristina: Well, maybe they're protecting themselves with elation tech.

Jack: Fascinating.

Cristina: Like, they. They. Even though they love Elysians because, like, that's the top of the top, they also fear them because, like, we're gonna. They're gonna kill us.

Jack: Yes, interesting.

Cristina: But they're the top of the top. Like, why wouldn't you? Well, they adore them. I think. Not Adore. That's a weird word. But, you know, like.

Jack: But what about their parents, is my question. Are their parents outcast Aletians living amongst the Nephilim?

Cristina: If they're not dead already, they can't go home. No, because then they'd be killed.

Jack: So they're not killed, but they'll be imprisoned.

Cristina: Oh, imprisoned.

Jack: Azazel was imprisoned.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. But are they imprisoned for life? Or is it like, okay, you've done your time. You can go.

Jack: Well, no, Azazel was. Yeah, Azazel was allowed. No, he could have stayed there. He chose to leave.

Cristina: Yeah, okay.

Jack: He could have stayed there. He served this time, and he could have stayed there, but he decided to leave.

Cristina: Okay, so as long as you serve time for the punishment.

Jack: Yeah. Like, if you do the thing and then you come back to your home, they're arresting you, so the best bet is don't go back home.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So you made it with some Non Elysians, and you are a lesion. Don't go back home. You will go to jail. Prison, I suppose.

Cristina: Okay, I guess that makes sense.

Jack: Yeah. But then what we have named going north and mating with some Nephilim who have Elysian technology. And then they come down to face the Furbolg, which are also just Nemedian ancestors, but human with human. And then they go and they share Ireland. And so we just have the ancestors of Nephilim living in Ireland. The Nephilim. One settlement living up north in Norway, and then one settlement in Arabia, and then one settlement in Israel. There are a couple of Nephilim settlements. These are just talking about the major things. I know. There's mention in a million other places.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They're everywhere. No, they're just everywhere. That means they're everywhere is what I'm saying.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The conclusion is, whoa. The thing we've been looking for mentions of actually, is everywhere. We were just not understanding.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Anyhow, so that's what I got. A couple of mentions of Nephilim, a couple of different words that have always meant Nephilim, where it got altered and Nephilim here in the Nephilim there.

Cristina: Maybe why it's been hidden. Maybe.

Jack: Well, I don't know why they would hide the Nephilim if they themselves are trying to get rid of the Nephilim.

Cristina: That's true. I don't know.

Jack: There's no need to protect. Why.

Cristina: They did the same thing with Jesus. They swapped. They made his story all weird.

Jack: Fair enough. Maybe it is just about hiding, because it does also come back to hiding the. Their own existence.

Cristina: That's the most important thing.

Jack: Yeah. Because if we know that Nephilim are real, then we know they're real, and then we go and pursue them. But if Nephilim don't exist, that's. Well, they don't exist either.

Cristina: Yeah, we just think they're just Giants, like what's it. That's just a creature. That's. That doesn't mean anything.

Jack: Exactly. It means nothing. It's just. Oh, big guy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which St. Arnold's weird guy. You come out of nowhere. You are allegedly a Jew and you're translating some Greek mythology into Latin. What? Not Hebrew.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because he's Hebrew.

Cristina: Don't they already have it in Hebrew? No, I don't know.

Jack: I don't. What I mean, probably, but don't they already have it in Latin?

Cristina: Probably.

Jack: What is he doing? I don't know. But odd Saint Arnold over here and thank you shout out to freaking philologist John Frederick Lindo, who's on a weird a** path as well. I don't know what the h*** out here. Looking at something.

Cristina: Did he make any connections that were important besides that giants are not giants?

Jack: No, that was his contribution to the sea. He figured out that giant does not mean giant.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: And that like it most likely means Nephilim, which, you know, son of gods.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It seems to be that that's most frequently the case. Yeah. So, yeah, I don't know what the case might be. And in the future we're going to have some stories, events, all the mentions that we can get a hold of in which there's actual action going on, things that might enlighten other situations, bare minimum related to the Nephilim. That's the goal here. They have tech. I'm very confused about what's happening with the Med, to be honest, because he did go north and then Elicians came down. North are Nephilim.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So I don't know. But they do say they're the ancestors.

Cristina: Exactly. That makes it of the Alicians.

Jack: They must be Nephilim. Yeah, but they wouldn't claim. I don't think they would claim to be Elysian.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because you don't want to go around saying you're elation. And then the Elysians keep track of all their people and they know you're not elation, which means you're. You're the other thing. You would instead say you're human so that you blend in more. I guess you don't want to be spotted or known or anybody know where you are.

Cristina: But if a true Alician was on that island, they would want. Want. They would want to not pretend either. Like they.

Jack: No, a true elation would just claim to be an Elysian.

Cristina: Yeah, but he's on that island, isn't he?

Jack: Who?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Well, this is what's actually throwing the story for a Loop. Because if Mananan then actual Elysians, if not Mananan, then potentially. Yeah, they could totally be Nephilim. But we know that Mananan himself is a pure elation.

Cristina: Yes, but maybe he doesn't have a problem with them because they're not first generation Nephilims.

Jack: And you think that's good enough? They're just human.

Cristina: Yes. Like after a certain point it doesn't really matter. Just killing off the their. I guess. But I don't know why. I mean, he's too busy to go to the north and kill their parents and whatever. He's not that type of person. Maybe question.

Jack: He has duties.

Cristina: He's got other duties.

Jack: Yeah, it's job to do.

Cristina: Yeah. And probably. They probably didn't reveal where that place besides saying it's north. They probably weren't specific. They probably didn't give him the details, knowing what he is.

Jack: Find that if they needed to.

Cristina: But. Yes, but also they want to live in peace with this guy. You probably wants their parents dead.

Jack: Maybe. No, it's a. I was gonna say that maybe they just didn't tell him. But they told everybody. That was the point. Yeah, and say that would have totally made it. But no, they're saying we're elation. No, it doesn't work. Because then they would be more human than anything. Why would they come down and say we're elation? It doesn't work. There's something wrong. It doesn't work. There's something wrong here.

Cristina: They're not Alicians.

Jack: They're not. They're not Alicians. They're not. But Mananan is.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So the. No, this is. This is really where we're getting f***** up. The island of Norway. Or not of Norway, but the island up at Norway are not Elysians. Those are Nephilim. Yes, but Mananan and everybody surrounding him are Elysians.

Cristina: Yes, factually, yes.

Jack: The people who arrive are one or the other. And we don't know because Maranan seems to arrive in this story with them.

Cristina: He does.

Jack: No. I mean, no, not. He doesn't literally arrive.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: These people get sent and they show up where he is.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: What I meant is he's from the same place. These people are from up north. No.

Cristina: Okay, then the people who show up.

Jack: Come from up north. Okay, but they were sent there from some other task they were already taking part in. In there from where he is Atlantis.

Cristina: Why do you think that?

Jack: Because that's what's said.

Cristina: But I thought they just said that they were ancestors of Alicians.

Jack: They were ancestors of the Nemedians and Elicians up north. And up north there were people already studying these. Had to be. Oh wow. I didn't realize there was a huge hole there. There was a hole last time we were talking about this. How are you both ancestors and sent to assist Mananan after That doesn't make sense.

Cristina: They were sent to help Mananan.

Jack: They were sent to help Mananan. I don't know.

Cristina: Because they're probably not first generation. They're probably way past.

Jack: How are they taking orders from the Elysians?

Cristina: Because maybe they're accepting of them.

Jack: No. It makes no sense.

Cristina: They're just not accepting of the first.

Jack: This makes no sense. Why your argument is this island in Norway has Nephilim that are rejects. Then those Nephilim reproduce and now the Elysians who rejected the parents are like nah. But we're cool with you guys.

Cristina: Yeah. As long as you're not breaking room.

Jack: So you gotta go there and get to know them and then tell them we have orders for you. Who your parents we've ignored. We came here to communicate with you who have less in your blood of us than than your parents do. We need you to go do this mission. Here's our tech that your parents are way better suited to use. This doesn't make any sense. That's not the what played out.

Cristina: It doesn't make sense. It makes the most sense.

Jack: It does not make the most sense.

Cristina: Yes it does.

Jack: Doesn't even a little.

Cristina: It definitely does.

Jack: There's some huge hole here. And I believe that the people who did show up to assist named perhaps were actually Elysians. But that's confusing because the only place up north I can find is the Nephilim. Unless those Nephilims are dead and replaced by actual Alicians.

Cristina: Yes. That's the only two things. I guess it's either they're cool with the ancestors or not answers. Children's. Children's. Children's Whatever.

Jack: Because Mananan is an Elysian.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And these people who showed up to assist our ancestors problem.

Cristina: It's awkward.

Jack: There's something wrong.

Cristina: I know. Maybe these stories will help us find something.

Jack: Yeah. I have to look into it. I have to find out. I don't know, man. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. It's a weird one. That is.

Cristina: There has to be an answer somewhere.

Jack: Well, hopefully we can super obvious. And we just looking through some of these stories relative to these guys.

Cristina: Hopefully we can figure it out.

Jack: Yeah. Now. Okay. Because now There's a reason to look at the stories and try to see what specifically looking at these instants surrounding the Nemedians. The Nemedians have some odd inconsistencies that need to be sorted out. Hopefully it just gets resolved and brought down to just being some word confusion like the rest of this maybe which is the most likely possibility and just so confusion textualistic.

Cristina: We'll figure it out.

Jack: Out. We're gonna figure it out anyways. If you guys have anything to tell us about this information. You got input, perspective or anything of the sort, question, comments, concerns, whatever. Fan art. Yeah, sure, send us fan art. You can message us any of these things at just convo pod on X, on Instagram, on Facebook, on Tick Tock.

Cristina: And remember to subscribe re review the show.

Jack: Yes. And tell people about the show. Word of mouth is the most overpowered thing that has ever existed in the history of humanity. To be sure to use your voice.

Cristina: This has been the rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. It was probably about fear cause a thing cause some fears hold of them. The chaos people stood up. You were. You didn't expect that. People rose up like oh no, we're do this together. It's like what the oh, we didn't see that coming. Now we can't just confiscate. Now we got to fight the people for it. We didn't think about that. But you're not thinking at all as a problem. So they gotta debate and argue. The people of Hawaii. You thought they were just going to roll over and and no, they're over here like no, this is our land and we will fight you and we will kill you for it. It's like oh, we didn't think about the fact that these are natives. We should have probably just done the this elsewhere.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

October 21, 2023

Rambling 248: The Garden of Eden

October 21, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Who were those closest to Jehovah? How did all these individuals live so long? Which experiments did they conduct? The duo finally deep dive into the research team ‘Garden of Eden’ in order to better understand its members and the core principle of their research and longevity. Although a difficult research project, the fruits of the labor payoff because of a simple revelation made which ultimately answers one big question and asks ten more!

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Anthroposophy
Jehovah
Nahas
The Real Age of Lilith
Lucifer
Creating Physical Bodies
Highest Garden Clearance
Curing Death
The Messenger
Artificial Naga

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