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Rambling 298: The Grounding of Stuff Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised. Jack: Going live in 5, 4. Cristina: What does live mean? Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack. Cristina: And I'm your host, Cristina. Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And I think we've been doing that successfully lately. Cristina: Yes. Jack: So last week and the show before then, we were trying to get to what I was trying to talk about this entire time, but we got busy grounding things because that's our job. And that sidetracked us from getting to our one and only goal that this week we're definitely, without a doubt, gonna get to, which is, again, the fill people in on everything. And we've been doing this for a very long time. All we ever haven't. Cristina: Yeah. I don't understand. We've been doing what we've been supposed to be doing. Jack: Well, because grounding is our job, we can easily get sidetracked into grounding things because everything is groundable, if that makes sense. Cristina: So then we've been doing our job. Jack: Yeah, yeah, it's. It kind of loops back and forward to some degree, but I think we have some pretty good Grady greatest hits when it comes to grounding things. I think the whole Elation saga was beautiful. There's a lot, but it's infinite. And like, that gets frustrating. I think finding independent creatures that aren't related to them dope, and many things that are related to them dope. And it's funny because a lot of that, even finding the Elysians, really began about trying to see what the h*** was happening at the Bermuda Triangle. Cristina: That's where it started. Jack: Yeah. We were trying to find out what was happening in the Bermuda Triangle and then looking into clouds. Cristina: And then I thought it started with the unicorns. Jack: Well, that led us to the Alicorn that Antonio Dracohan. And that's kind of technically, that's the beginning. If this was a movie, if this was structured into a movie, the way that it built up into the Elysians. Right. Not even talking about the Elysian specifically, but a meta look at the show we were originally looking at. I think it was. Oh, no. Because then we migrated to the Groundhog. We were just looking at creatures and we were breaking apart clouds. There were some weird cloud patterns that we wanted to look into. And so we went through an entire breakdown of clouds, and then we veered off. We knew that the something weird was happening with that collection of clouds on top of the Bermuda Triangle. So that Allured us. Do you remember that? Cristina: Yes, but I don't think that had anything to do with Alicia. Jack: Not yet. Cristina: That was part of whatever story we had before. Jack: Well, no, because we were trying to find out what was happening directly under them. What was. What were they there for? Why was there a collection of clouds over the Bermuda Triangle? And I think then we looked into the groundhog, which I don't know if he ever finished his training. Cristina: Was it. Yes, he was part of training. To talk to the clouds. To the clouds? To get the clouds to talk to the sun, I think. Jack: Yes, because the sun is technically a cloud, too. Cristina: I think we were trying to stop some impending something from the cat People. Jack: Yes. Maybe an invasion or something. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Oh, no, no. We were trying to originally. Originally find out what was happening with the other stars disappearing in the great void. Cristina: Oh, yes. Jack: And we would need to talk to the sun to do it, which we. Cristina: Would use with clouds, but we thought we could use the. What is it? The. The groundhog. Because he could communicate with the weather. Jack: Yes, exactly. Oh, man. Cristina: The last one just died. So we had to train a new one. Jack: Yes. We had to give him adrenochrome. Cristina: Yes. Jack: He was Phil, right? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: It was Steve. Philly is the one who died. And then Steve was his replacement. A random groundhog we just gave a bunch of adrenochrome and started training. Cristina: Secrets of hogs is that they always were taking adrenochrome. Jack: No, it was specifically the one for. The one that they were talking to. Cristina: Yes. Yes. The groundhog 00:05:00 Cristina: that was chosen for Groundhog Day is always taking a dream. Jack: But that one died. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And so we were training one the way they were doing because we accidentally killed Phil. Cristina: I think so. Jack: I don't remember how we killed Phil, but we killed Phil. I know that much. Cristina: I believe that is right. Jack: And then maybe they don't even know we replaced Phil. They don't know. They're just humans. And then we replace Phil with Steve, and they have no idea. And then secretly we've been training Steve in order to talk to the clouds so that the clouds. Specifically weather, I guess, which was also bouncing off of when we were talking about lightning as a component, but unrelated to the clouds, because those are two different individuals interacting. Cristina: Yeah. So that's the idea. And then we're gonna communicate with the planet somehow. Jack: And then we're gonna get. Go on and on Steve. To talk to the clouds. The clouds would talk to the sun. The sun would. But still, something weird was happening down there. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And actually, Steve wasn't going to talk to the cloud specifically. There was a cloud with a face that we were gonna go talk to. Cristina: And we needed. Jack: Yes, yes. And we needed Steve for that. Cristina: Okay. Jack: So we were specifically gonna talk to that one cloud. That's a cloud. God or some crap. A demi cloud. And he was gonna talk to the sun or something. Cristina: I guess so. Yeah. Jack: Cool. But in doing so, we were like, weird that these clouds have. They're like floating over the. The Bermuda Triangle. And so we veer off and we're looking at different underwater things. I know. We were doing that for a while and we stumble upon. Actually, no, we ignore that for a while because we did Bimini Road, which we didn't. We thought about, you know, leading into the. Again, from a movie's perspective. It saw us doing these things, and then it shows us going somewhere else and discovering a different clue. But the. The. The viewer knows. The viewer knows. It's like, oh, this is related. The Bimini is by the Bahamas. A little tiny road that we looked at a long time ago that had the statues underwater. And it was like, kind of aiming towards the Bermuda Triangle. And we're like, oh, yeah, they're definitely down there because of xyz. Reason we still didn't know that the Elysians are the Atlanteans. We're just like some other people over there. And then we started looking into the Persian Gulf oasis because we were doing Atlanteans in specific. We were still calling them Atlanteans until we got to Antonio Draco. Cristina: I feel like before him, we were talking about the equator. Jack: Yes. Which was another thing related to them, wasn't it? But again, we didn't know. We're just like this giant equator surrounding the Earth. And it looks like these places built along this line were all in communication with one another or in communication with some bigger governing body. But they were all in sync with us. We still haven't found out what the point of that was. I thought we did the whole equator line. I know that a bunch of them died out. Is it because it was the line which. Cristina: Like, which Satan went to give them the tech? I guess it's easier for him to travel in a straight line. Jack: Yeah, I guess. Or maybe delivery was easier between the countries. So, like, we keep passing it down the line. We're all next to each other and he doesn't have to personally deliver it. It'll always keep rolling down the path. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Or maybe the equator is just the line in which the civilizations were Gonna be built like they were starting there. So we see them as just. Cristina: But why did they choose that? Jack: I. Why versus, like become a bubble or. Versus, like anything? Squiggly line. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Why a straight line, Right? Cristina: Yes. Jack: I have a theory on that. And I think it has more to do with Hermes. If you look at a lot of Hermes research, there were a lot of these symbols. He was essentially, if you remember, he was building comprehensive, like transmutation circles with a bunch of detailed symbolism and junk as part of meditation and energy moving and whatever he was doing. I think similar to the Hedron Collider, which is probably one of those. I think this line surrounding the Earth was the beginning of a complicated design that maybe was to envelop the Earth or a design that does in fact envelop the earth. And we have only found that specific 00:10:00 Jack: version of it interesting. Cristina: If it relates like, was he murdering them? Like, did they die off or did he kill them? Jack: No, no, no. Oh, well, that's another interesting. Cristina: Because we know the first. There was a different line and no one made it from that other line. Jack: So you think the Kearney. No. But the equator is just where everything moves along. I guess they must have done it ahead of time. Interesting. Interesting. Look at it like this. Look at it like this. Because this does have to make sense to some degree. Right. The equator gradually shifts place. The globe exists. And the equator is always by itself moving simply because of how rotations work and whatnot. So what if the line is starting to catch up? But they built society there and never told them. These guys are always working in secrecy. And the equator slowly kept migrating to that line. Slowly kept until it lined up. We know that alignments matter. We know the solaces work in Castillo in order to bridge a gate that allows people to go into the Shadow Realm and teleport along. So that's. Alignments matter. Somehow. If they built civilization, let's say north to south and started the line west to east, and it was always moving clockwise. It would eventually migrate from west to east to north to south. If in that moment something happened. Great transmutation. And all those people died. Philosopher stones. This could explain why some of these structures are some of the oldest ever seen. Cristina: Yes, they were. They weren't building on that line when it was the line. No, they were just way before the. Jack: Build on the line. That was unreal. And nothing they could track. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Or understand. Cristina: But someone did. Jack: Yes. And in order to get them to do this successfully, they did need technology. Maybe it was never about sharing the Technology. And the way we think about it, for Lucifer, maybe Jehovah man, we jump back and forth here real hard. Cristina: Bad guy. Jack: Who's the bad guy? Cristina: Okay. But Lucy was doing something sketchy. Jack: He was doing something sketchy. He was doing something really ridiculously sketchy. Because everybody was gone. Cristina: Yes. Jack: There's nobody there at all. It's all 100% gone. All that really exists is the ruins to that. And Jehovah recorded is telling him no. He is like, but come on, bro. We need this. Cristina: Yes. But we know he at least did it or tried to do whatever it was that he did twice. Jack: Because when he went to Shadow Realm. Cristina: No, because there was an old equator line that is destroyed of ruins and stuff. Jack: And the newer one, the new equator line, has nothing built on it. Cristina: It has nothing built on it. Jack: No. Oh, the new equator line is just where the line kept moving to. Cristina: Oh. Only the old one had the ruins. Jack: Only the old one had the ruined lines. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: If there is, we don't know where because nobody's thought about this. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And maybe it would be trackable. Maybe major cities line up in a way we never thought about or something. And then one day, by default, because. Cristina: It could be more than one line. Through the Earth. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Around the earth. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: We just have to find. Jack: We would just have to find to connect the dots. Cristina: Yeah. And it has nothing to do with the equator. Just. We just need to see that pattern. Jack: But you know what's even scarier at this point, this means that 12,000 years ago, we weren't beginning to develop. We know that their technology was crazy, but they weren't beginning to develop immense technology. They were already at earth scale technology. 12,000 years ago, they could just, in one shot, boom, across the earth, kill everybody and make. Well, at least along the line of the equator. Maybe they didn't want to erase humanity. Cristina: That's what I was thinking. That the whole purpose of that would be so that not all of it was gone. Jack: So maybe they don't even need these factories like Epstein's Island. What the h*** is that for? Well, then again, where it's two different purposes. Cristina: Specific people. Jack: Yes. That's to drain. That's for adrenochrome. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Versus something like stone. The stones. So maybe they've been able to make stones casually, whenever they want. Cristina: Yeah. We just need to find more lines. Jack: We just need to find more lines. On the flip side, wars are an easy way, and they're clearly in charge of the government. Cristina: Somehow 00:15:00 Cristina: that seems more of adrenochrome. Than a stone thing? Jack: We don't know. Cristina: We don't know. Jack: We don't see. In some instances, we see the bodies, but in other wars, it's just like, oh, yeah, some private attack happened. And it's like, wow, really? Or is it only when we drop, like, bombs and we can't go look at the evidence? Like, that was probably no bomb. You guys are just showing us a bunch of. And really, at the end of the day, what happened was you guys made another stone. Cristina: Would the bodies disappear? Jack: The bodies would disappear. Cristina: Okay. Jack: If it's for adrenochrome, the bodies would stay. Cristina: Mm. That's why most of them has to be for adrenochrome. Jack: Have you seen the bodies in most of them? Cristina: I think someone has. Jack: How do you confirm that person was real and not just another person? Just saying. Oh, yeah, I saw it. Cristina: Oh. Jack: I bet North Korea makes stones regularly. Cristina: Who would know? Jack: I bet there's human farms there where they breed humans. Because nobody knows where they breed humans. And then just en masse. But you dilute the genetic pool if they're always just cattle. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And you're just making the. There's something about the more complex the life force. Well, the life form than the more complex life force. Yeah. What is the rule? The more complicated the life form, the more complicated the life force. The less complicated the life form, the less complicated life source. It began a long time ago at Butterflies or some s***. Weird. Because we discovered a bunch of adrenochrome before we found out it was connected. Cristina: Mm. Jack: We found it through butterflies. Well, we've heard about it here and there, stumble upon things kind of pointing in that direction, then when they looked at it, and we found that through butterflies, that was, like, the original, like, attempt. And then other people throughout history, which I remember specifically, we looked into that were figuring it out in other ways. The countess in the 1700s or 1600, somewhere around there. It could have been the 13th. Who the h*** knows who was killing her? Her maze. That was for adrenochrome. And so we found, again, adrenochrome somewhere else, and we didn't. She might have not known, and we might have not known. But, again, a bunch of people did, though. So maybe she was in the in group who knew about adrenochrome. And although the people who wrote about it didn't get it, she knew why she was doing it. She stayed young, and they were all, oh, yeah, she was using it for her skin. And that was. Make her stay young. And it's like, no she was drinking that s***, bro. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: That's why she actually. That's why it actually worked. F***. That's exactly why it worked. She was killing them b****** and drinking it. And they were. The people reporting on it didn't really understand. They thought she was bathing in it, but she was just putting it in the tub to have a source of it. Cristina: Ew. Jack: She could continue to drink. I guess she was vampiring the f*** out. And this has a lot to do with the area she was in. They probably thought vampirism worked this way. We interpret it in the horror movie style, but vampires are relatively new. They weren't. Cristina: Vampires are based on adrenochrome. Jack: Vampires are actually just based on Dracula, and Dracula ain't even that old, so. S***. You get my point. Like, there wasn't a concept of vampires back then. Their understanding of a vampire was crap. Like the Countess. And like, Dracula could have easily been based on the Countess in a castle. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Attracting maids. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And drink. Literally drinking their blood. Cristina: It's the same story. Jack: It's the same story. And we found the Countess and we found a couple of, like, old school serial killers who were doing the same thing. We. We did that for Halloween one. So we were just looking at weird instances like that. We have a couple of really good Halloween episodes. Cristina: Well, didn't do any this year. You got anything for right now, this. Jack: Moment to do some Halloween? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: No, I don't now. We didn't do it for this year, but next year we should hit all the holidays. Find. I mean, it's interesting to go look at something that we haven't looked at for a while and with new eyes and find something we missed before. Cristina: Yes. Have we ever did a Thanksgiving thing? Jack: We've done many Thanksgiving. Cristina: Oh, yes, we have. But we haven't talked about the turkeys that we save that we pardon. I don't get that. Jack: We pardon turkeys. Cristina: Yeah. The President pardons turkeys every year. Yeah. He puts them in a hotel, keeps them fed and happy, and then he, I guess, brings them in front of people like the, like. I don't know, like the groundhog. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: And 00:20:00 Cristina: it's like, these turkeys cannot be eaten. Eaten. Jack: They must die of old age. Cristina: Yes. And I don't know how anyone keeps track of that. Jack: I bet. I bet that's the turkey the President eats. Cristina: Oh, that's awful. Jack: I bet some president was a douchebag and did that. If that's not the case, somebody was like, you know what? This is a stupid tradition. I want that turkey President. But no, no. Replace the turkey. Nobody's gonna know. I want that turkey. I want to eat a famous turkey. Cristina: The one that you said can never be eaten. That's messed up. Jack: Why? What's the difference? How would anybody even know as long as the illusion persists? Cristina: I don't know. I feel like you'll get. You will not get away with it. Jack: I. I want to get away with it. And then on my deathbed as president, I'll be like, get cameras and everything. I'll be or ex president, however that works. And I'll be like, for the world to know I ate that turkey. Cristina: That's messed up. Jack: Boom, boom. Will anybody give up? Nobody's gonna give a. They're gonna be like, he ate a turkey. Cristina: They're gonna say, you're a monster. Jack: If they. If it happened, like, the next day that it came out, they would be like, oh, my God. Yay, though. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Right now, most of them send you. Cristina: To jail to rest, to live the rest of your life to. Jack: I'm. I'm on my deathbed. Cristina: Who cares? You're gonna be in your deathbed in a jail cell. Jack: That's. I mean, I guess it wouldn't matter to me. Cristina: It wouldn't matter to you? Jack: No, no, it wouldn't matter. I'm already dying. Like, what do I got? Days. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Like, spend the rest of my days in a place that has to take care of me for a fact. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Whoa. Cristina: But you'll be in orange or whatever color those suits are, and then they. Jack: Die in a box. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: That's cool. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Concrete box. Who else did we find that was using adrenochrome? Oh, we found some Greek stories with it. That was afterwards. That was after we found out the Elysians. When do we find out they were called the Aletians? Cristina: Probably to do with Greece or Egyptians or. I think it was Egyptian. Jack: I think it was in the text that the Egyptians had discussing the Elysians, because they also referred to them as the Sea peoples. Cristina: And so did the Greek. Not the Greeks, the Mayans. Mayans. Jack: We looked at Maya a bunch of times. We looked at my. A long time ago without knowing they were connected to the Egyptians. Cristina: And we also, like, recently found out that they have portals to the shadow realm. Yes, that we think. We were thinking there. Jack: No, we knew they had portals to the shadow realm. We found out recently they were crossing people regularly. Cristina: Yes. Yes. That's happening everywhere. Jack: Yes. Cristina: And we had no clue that was happening. Jack: Yeah, we looked at that. Didn't know that there was this Entire civilization there went like two years without having any idea. Meanwhile, we found the. The villages around the world, including the one in Puerto Rico. That's a really famous one. All these groups that are just mixed shadow realm, Earth realm creatures found out. Cristina: All those people that were talking crazy stories about, like, I'm afraid that my child's gonna be kidnapped by a fairy. And then we realize, oh, crap, there's. Jack: They're onto something. They're on to. They were. It wasn't fairies, but they were kind of on the market. Cristina: Yeah, they were. They were close. Jack: They were close. They were close. There's a bunch of creatures kidnapping children. So it was based on some interesting y. Cristina: They were insane. Jack: No, man. It is a kind of weird road that took us here. Adrenochrome was a weird one. We found that so many times because. Cristina: It'S the easiest way. Jack: Everything, even by accident. I really, really. I always think about the story about the wolves in the. In the battlefield and how they would go out and like, when they were starving because the battlefield scared off all the other creatures, so they had nothing to hunt, and they were just out there feeding on the freshly dead people. But those people were in war, bro. They had just unloaded their guns, had the guns unloaded on them, seen friends die, seen bombs go off maybe in that time, or depending when. When wars happened. Because this was in the, what, the 17, 1970s, 1917s, and another one again in the 1950s. So there was bombs already. And like, this resulted in some crazy creatures, bro. Yes, that's nuts. Werewolves, which then, in hindsight, kind of informs our older story when we looked into werewolves and we found out that the natives would dress up with the. Cristina: Fur of the wolves and then turn into wolves. Jack: Not turn tools, but run 00:25:00 Jack: around the woods. Cristina: There was some stories of people wearing wolf fur and then turning into wolves. Jack: No, that's what they thought they saw. That's what the people. The. The white man. Cristina: Oh, he saw. Jack: Because they would see the. The problem is that they were with wolves. The natives in these areas would be wearing the fur of their family members who were wolves. They lived in nature with the wolves, naturally, and so they would be wearing the wolf fur and the wolf would be seen by the people who lived around there. And then they would see shortly thereafter, a native wearing wolf stuff, and they think it's the same thing. That's where the original myth of the werewolf came from. But the actual real world equivalent is a werewolf, a wolf drinking adrenochrome and then resulting. Cristina: The werewolf is a Wolf becoming a man and not a man becoming a wolf. Jack: Exactly. It's not becoming a man, but kind of getting a more bipedal look. It's very Pokemon. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You know, just transformed and now it's bipedal for whatever reason. So. Yeah. Cristina: I don't know. I feel like there are some men that claim to have turned into wolves, though. But are those just crazy people? Jack: No, because we also have people that were turning in the things. Not everybody has exactly the same reaction, but it's more or less the same reaction. We've had men turning into wolves. No, I don't think we've ever had people turning into the wolves. Cristina: There's a guy, I think for the church, he was confessing that the devil made him dress up as a wolf, turn into a wolf to fight the. No, the church forced him to turn into a werewolf so he can fight the demons or something. There's some wild story like that. Jack: We talked about it on the show. Cristina: Yeah, it was before all of this. It's way in the past of just talking about creatures not connecting to anything. Jack: That was when we were doing werewolves one and two, right? Yeah, man, I don't even remember that. Cristina: Yeah. I think he was claiming that the church would turn him and like a bunch of other homeless people into werewolves to fight demons. Jack: What the. Well, I don't remember all that. Cristina: I don't know what that is. But I know that they do have weird stuff happening. Jack: We know because the Church does weird s*** all the time. Cristina: Yes. They have portals and they also have items. Sacred items. Jack: Yes, they do, actually. Cristina: Body parts. Magical body parts of saints. Jack: Yeah. They hoard all the things with power they could find. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: But later we found out that was entirely because they were trying to erase the existence of magic and. Which is really just really complicated science. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And the body parts and things are saving are. Because think about it. They're saving a cloth that was protecting Jesus and he came back to life in or something. And it's like. Well, that was some technology that was reviving him or whatever. Or that had like proof of some residue of some kind of compound that they don't need anybody to know exists, you know? Cristina: Okay. Jack: Of the fruit or something. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: So they. They keep all of these things. They either have some kind of ability attached to some complicated technology or whatever the case might be, and they confiscate it all and hide it. Cristina: That's crazy. Still. That's pretty crazy. Jack: And still they couldn't compete with actual Jesus. Cristina: Well, they're. They're either Helping him or hiding him? Jack: Why would they need to hide him? Cristina: Because they're working with the. The. I'm thinking fairies, but that's not the word. I'm thinking. Who, Who. What is he? Jack: What is who? Cristina: Jesus. Jack: He is an Elysian Alicia. Cristina: And they're either working with Jesus or the Elysians. Jack: The church. Yeah. I think. I think we have three parties. Cristina: You think they're separate? Jack: I think they're separate. I think there's more than three parties. I think party we actually. I think. I don't think we've ever broken this down. I think party number one is the Elysians and their homies, like the Mayans and the Egyptians. Group two is Jesus and whoever's backing him, which is unclear. Cristina: Shadow people. Question mark. Jack: Question mark. Because we don't know. Because group three is a shadow people with Lucifer and all those individuals. Because even the shadow people who've joined our Earth Realm teams, we're calling those as part of Jehovah's team. Okay, so those are the Elysians. We have the Elysians there with all those people, including the shadow realm people that are there. Then we have the shadow room people who are a separate entity entity 00:30:00 Jack: made up of many Elysians and humans who've been outcasted one to the shadow realm. We got Jesus. That's three main group tied up there. Then we have Mab and her group of people somewhere doing something that's hyper unclear to us. See, we all never know. Exactly. Then we have the Greek that randomly pop up and are like always keeping up. They're like Piccolo. They're always keeping up with Goku and like how. Okay, but they're always there. And we don't know if any of this or even if the Elysians themselves are in any way connected to the original top of that, which is Jehovah's father Yahweh and his father Eloi. And how. That we still don't understand the giant leap from all of that all the way back to Yaldabao and how any of them might connect to what's happening now. Cristina: Yes. And we have no idea anything about Hermes either. Jack: Hermes, he's like neutral party. It looks like he helped everybody do whatever. Yeah, he's such a central figure. Cristina: But he might have even helped Jesus Satan with the line. Jack: He might have. But we know many instances suggest he might have helped Lucifer. Cristina: Yeah. So that's interesting. Jack: It looks like he might have helped Lucifer. It looks like he might directly be the teacher of Jesus. Yeah, it looks like he gave a johor who Worked or was friends or something with Jehovah. Cristina: And he has some connection with the Greece. Jack: And he has some connection with Greece. And he might have existed back with Eloi and Lilith, which suggests that he would have also been around at the time of Jesus, Jehovah's father, Yahweh. He would have been in contact with every single everything straight through. Cristina: Yes. Jack: I don't understand how. Because he is a God, he might actually be. Everybody else is some being that got there. He might actually. Dude, based on how we're describing him, right? Cristina: Yes. Jack: He goes everywhere, lives immortally, contacts everybody. Now, here's an interesting part about Hermes, which, based on his talks, might make sense. Let's say Hermes does come around in the year 12,000 BC, right? That's when he's born, not before then. But what do his lessons teach us? He says the fabric of reality itself is up to you to move around and control as you please. If you understand my teachings, you can just casually move in and out. Nothing matters. Nothing is of consequence. Everything is readjustable. Could it be that although he began there, he easily just shows up in the past? Is that a capability of his? Yes, because we know many necromancers can just f*** with time. Cristina: He can too. Yeah, I guess. Jack: Just poof. So he was born recently, but he could just be back there? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And that explains him showing up everywhere. He became he again. He was just a creature that became a God beyond anything all these other people could even fathom. Cristina: Mm. Except for Jesus, maybe. Jack: Well, he taught Jesus. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: It to this moment, it kind of does almost look like Hermes over Jesus. So if we were to just calculate their abilities and what they've done. Cristina: Yeah, but if Jesus gets to actually ex. Goes follows those principles that he has to teach, like what makes the difference, what makes him under. Jack: It looks like Hermes can cross into the fairy realm. It does not seem like Jesus can. As far as we know. Cristina: As far as we know. Jack: As far as we know. Cristina: Exactly. I don't know. That doesn't really. Jack: Only based on what we've found, he. He hasn't. Maybe we'll find something different to the contrary. But as of now, it looks like Hermes is the only one who's figured out how to enter this other space. With all of the efforts that everybody else has. I haven't seen a mention of Jesus doing that. Cristina: Well, maybe that story of him going into heaven. What does that mean. Jack: Going into heaven? Cristina: Yeah. And the end of his story before he comes back to Earth, like, what is that? I don't Know exactly. Jack: He dips out. Cristina: Could that be him exiting? Jack: But then that means he's always behind. He didn't just inherently have the ability like these other 00:35:00 Jack: things. He discovered that like a science. Which means that Hermes mastered it. He's a beginner at it. Hermes is still above. Cristina: Yeah, but that doesn't mean he can't get to that point. Like once you got it, you got it. Jack: He has a head start. Is he gonna. Is Hermes gonna continue getting better or is there a top? Which means if there's a top, they can catch up and land there. If not, then. Because again, if it's science, you can keep pushing it. Oh yeah, you can continue to push it. Cristina: But I think Jesus is still up there. Jack: He would be number two. I'm thinking he's number two. Cristina: Yeah. Because he did escape. I think he might have gone there. I think that was the story. Jack: And that's simply because we cannot rank things from Elfame. We have no idea. Yeah, it's possible. Those things are way more complicated in ways we couldn't comprehend. Cristina: But he might have gone into alpha and then came back. Jack: Yes. Cristina: I think that's. That's the story to say that. Yes. Jack: Right. But yeah, no, 100%. But that doesn't make him. I still think we've discovered that there is less appearance of Hermes. He's more rare to come across. So he's better at being invisible. He's been around longer, so there should be more of him. But he is good at being invisible. Cristina: But also he's using much of different names. I don't know. Jack: He always goes by Hermes. Cristina: He does. Oh yes, he does. It's Jesus that goes by different names. Jack: Jesus goes by different names and is still nowhere as elusive. Cristina: Okay. Jack: We don't know necessarily anything about what Hermes looks like. We just know he was robed. He was nice and discreet. Okay, he was robed. We have no descriptors for his face. We. We know just the things surrounding his robe. His face is usually in shadow and the robe itself was very dark. Gave look to that traditional necromancer thing, secrecy and privacy. So they adopted the look. Cristina: The necromancers. Jack: The necromancers adopt the look. That's also why we always see Jesus robed up. Everybody else might have layers to the robes, tuck ins on their ways. But Jesus wore like gown style things. It was very necromancer. And he's known for having the scarf with the hood. Cristina: That's not Mary. Are you sure? Jack: Jesus had the same thing. I guess Mary was also trying to be private. Oh, but that's logical. And the most important facet here is. I mean, Jesus would have to become a more more complicated threat eventually because he's still half Elysian. Cristina: Yeah. What is a Hermes? Jack: Human. Cristina: How do we know he's not half. How do. Jack: We don't know. We just know that you have to be human to be an echromancer. Cristina: Yes, but Jesus proves you could just be half human. Like you don't have to be full human. Jack: Jesus proves you could be half human. This brings up an interesting problem and it totally explains the Elysians not wanting Elysian men or women to breed with humans. Because nephilim that become necromancers may be problematic. Cristina: Yes. Yeah. Jack: Is the fear the necromancers, the few necromancers we know about are problematic. And then there's Hermes, who seems undefeatable by any standard we could imagine. Cristina: But then you think they'd be an enemy with him, but there don't seem to be. Even though they fear everything he is, they don't want another version of him. Jack: I mean, everybody's trying. Think about what the requirements were for the Golem. Think about what the requirements were for Jesus. You have to be able to cross all three thresholds seamlessly. What? Who's the only other individual we know who could do that? It's Hermes they're trying to imitate Hermes. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Right. And he ain't a fairy. They just know a human learned how to do the thing and that for whatever reason, Elysians can't be necromancers. Cristina: Yes, but they don't want to make more. They do and they don't. They don't want it. Jack: You want to control them. They want to be able to make a necromancer and control it. Cristina: Hence the creation of like things like Jesus. No more. Jack: Jesus was a problem. Yeah. Think of not Alexander. Was it Alexander? No, the. The sword guy. 00:40:00 Cristina: The sword guy. Jack: Who was being tricked? Arthur. King Arthur. Who was being tricked by Merlin. By Merlin. But the whole goal of that instance was a necromancer or not a necromancer. A person with the ability to cross between thresholds who could be controlled. Cristina: But he was all human. As far as I know. Jack: He was all human. Yes. And he was too easy to control. It became problematic. And we know that Merlin was an elation. Or is an elation. I don't know if that guy still around. But Hermes equals. I mean, not Hermes, Merlin. Equal elation. Cristina: He has to be half. Jack: He has to be half. Yes. You're Right, because how is he? And that's why he's whack. Cristina: Why is he whack? Jack: Because the more human you are. Cristina: So you think he's more than half human? Jack: No, he's the whack necromancer. Merlin is whack because. Because he is half and half. Cristina: But you have to be half and half. Jack: No, you have to be human. Cristina: Oh, but Jesus is half and half. And that he's not. Jack: Isn't half and half. Cristina: You think he's human. Okay, psychic abilities. Jack: Stories give us some details here to fill in for this thought, but I have some filler ideas. Right. For some blank areas. The stories emphasize how important Mary is, not just to the cause, but to Joseph. Joseph is a magi. A magi. And he is one of the other three who will later show up. He was her personal escort. They are Alician soldiers of some sort. Cristina: Okay, right. That's her man, though. Jack: No, that's the lie they're telling. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: But where you're getting at is where I think was maybe intentionally left out. The Bible tells us he's her man. Of course, the Bible is foolish and made up in order to suppress the truth. But the Bible tells us. So what motivation did the Bible have to tell us he was her man? Why wasn't he just her brother? She was gonna be a virgin and have a husband. Cristina: Yeah, that's weird. But weird. Jack: Could have. Any other narrative could have been spun there. Yeah, maybe. Maybe he was human and that's why he was different from the other Magi. Just like Mary was human. Because we know that child is part of Jehovah's DNA. But maybe the intention was to water it down and so it's not just Jehovah. What part of this do you need science for? Where was the experiment taking place in? Well, maybe both of them are the bad. Thus he's only one third Elysian. Cristina: Oh, crap. Okay, those make it more interesting. Jack: Interesting. So he has as much stake in this as the Elysians, but, you know, you're also just a human bro. We can get rid of you quite easily. So you're just gonna escort her? Well, you got bodyguards are gonna be watching, and they're gonna show up when it matters. You're gonna see them, and you just gotta take her over there. Where does he go when he gets. He just vanishes. The story just cuts off. We assume he left with the other Maggie, but he just. His story just ends. So what is that about? Well, his purpose was complete. He probably died off. Cristina: He died off. No, he died off. Jack: They get. They get to older age. Oh, but like, what's his. Why do we stop talking about him so heftily? It's because of this reason. He is really inconsequential, but is part of the equation, which is why he was actually present there the whole time. He's like, no, it's my Katu and I'm gonna follow this lady. Cristina: Okay. We just couldn't say, yeah, they were. Jack: The chosen ones to some degree, but it was just human. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You know, And I think that was a way of diluting some science was used in order to dilute elation DNA. Even if elation DNA is better for stones, they're not going to get rid of themselves. So they could easily run this tech, but no humans. But in order to make a necromancer, you need human. And they want one that they can control. But I don't know if they have Hermes, why they would need to. I don't get that part. But Hermes himself then trained Jesus. He's so neutral. 00:45:00 Cristina: He doesn't. He seems like part of the group, but he doesn't seem like part of their group. Jack: I think he literally isn't part of their group. I think he's just friends with Jehovah. And everybody must respect his neutrality because what are you gonna do about it? The fact that he's blessing you with his time is good enough. Cristina: But then he gets to train the guy that they offer, cuz that guy went to him. Jack: Again, neutrality doesn't matter who comes or what you want. I can do whatever. Cristina: Mm. Jack: I'll help you with limits. I don't hurt others or whatever. But what you do, but what I gave you is up to you. Cristina: Crazy. Jack: So everybody comes for something different. It's like, yes, he's really God about it, to the point that even Jesus goes to him on record. Yeah, well, Emmanuel. Emmanuel goes to him and it's like, bro, this dude moves like real omniscience. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Move through time, influence, whatever. Yeah. Oh, you said your grandfather needed what? Okay, I'll go back and I'll. Cristina: That's weird. Jack: Yeah, whatever, dude. Oh, no, I can't do that. I'm not gonna go get rid of the people. No, I can't do that. You need the. Oh, yeah, yeah, I can make the thing. Whatever you do with it, that's up to you. I don't give a crap. It's your choice. If it affects me, I'll bring him back. I don't care. Cristina: Real omniscience, okay. Jack: He moves like that, right? He has that feel if I don't care what happens, I don't care. I don't care what. I'm not doing it, but I don't care what happens. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And then he can adjust whatever in his favor. That's so impressive and everything. Again, if we look at the whack, watered down, non knowing necromancers, it's still like, d***, son. All of them except St. Patrick seem capable of controlling time. They're watered down. All of them. They're. They're whacker than Jesus. And Jesus can't mess with Hermes. That's where we are. They can control f****** time. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: It looks like maybe Santa, St. Nicholas is like real top tier op. Maybe third in line here because of how exaggerated he is. But it could just be time control that he looks like he's everywhere freezes, everything goes everywhere, takes him a long time. Then time moves forward again. Cristina: It's still really exaggerating. I don't know. It's pretty powerful stuff. Jack: Pretty powerful stuff. He also has deals with what seem to be actual fairies. Actual fairies? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Which is like, d***, how do you do that? Yeah. Cristina: Yeah. Maybe they're not fairies. Maybe they're shadow worm creatures. Jack: They could be shadow worm creatures, but they can. We don't know shadow creatures that fit those suits. But we know fairies that do. Cristina: It's just too weird. Jack: It's weird. Cristina: It doesn't make sense to anything. Jack: But again, maybe he's. He does appear to stay neutral as well. So maybe the fairies aren't siding with him. And maybe the fairies aren't trying to stop Hermes. Who are the fairies trying to stop? All the people trying to imitate Hermes. Fair people don't care about Hermes. Why? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: Doesn't seem to be f****** with them. Neutral. The people who are like, we want infinite power. They get elf slapped on top. Stop their progress, please. Cristina: Okay. Jack: But Hermes clearly already capable. They're like, whatever. Interesting. They're scared of power hungry people because if they cross out, they're coming for us. Cristina: Okay, Jesus, kill off Marilyn and Jesus. Jack: Jesus is a problem because Jesus is the one that slipped through. And although Jesus isn't aiming to hurt them, Jesus seems to be on a revenge path. Right. Is his goal the Elysians or could he easily deal with the Elysians? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: Because if they are is infinitely trying to get stronger. And they're infinitely trying to get stronger. So he must again try to get stronger. So they must again try to get stronger. And now it's gotten to the point that they reach the Elfame just trying to get stronger than each other. And then they're just consuming everything around them in a war between each other. And that's the fear. That's why it didn't look like anybody was after anybody specific and that the Elfame was just fight. Who are we scared of? And it's like this guy or that guy or what? No, both. Cristina: Both. Jack: But it's not about them going after you. They don't care about you. They're. They're Borg. They're infinitely power hungry the way humans are. Okay, we want more. But it's about getting rid of each other. Cristina: It could be that very. It feels very Dragon Ball Z. Jack: Like just like always. Upscale. Cristina: Stronger. Yeah. Jack: And it doesn't stop. We've gone out of the realm. Man. I remember the ah, memories. What the good old days when we just thought creatures here, creatures there. Maybe some aliens, maybe an alien or two local 00:50:00 Jack: that can't, you know, lives in space between planets. Because why would it try? How would it travel from super far? They couldn't. It's just a biological something living in space to finding out no crap could travel. And here's the science behind it. Stars away, stars across, galaxies across. Until getting to the point of like nah. There's entire clusters of stars completely captured. Because escaping the entire universe is totally possible. And there's multiple of these things. And here's some science behind it to dimensions and realms. It's like I remember the good old days back then when it was so simple. Now. Now we have interdimensional multi realm existing different creatures of different magnitudes of development tied in infinite ways with each other and in different ways. All scientific. Cristina: They're trying to get up there, up somewhere there. Jack: So complicated. So, so complicated. It's ridiculous. It is good old days of just hey, vampires and zombies. You remember comparing vampires and zombies and they both need blood. Which it totally should have filled us in on so much. Totally should have. Because we erased it slowly from zombies to say that they were after blood. But zombies were after blood at the beginning of the invention of talking about zombies. But maybe the creators of zombies thought oh this too on the nose. It's too close. So I'm just gonna connect the dots. And so we slowly phased out zombies going for blood. And then they just became science zombies. The way like oh, vile. We're trying to cure cancer. But. But it was always science. Cristina: It was always science. Jack: Adrenochrome. Oh the science in a different way. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: We they try to block us off of certain paths of science so that we don't get informed on those things like realms and crap like that. That must use biological and physically tangible science applications in order to to interact with. But the laws were taught to build upon exclude the factors that would lead us in those directions so that only those who know about them can know about them. Esoteric knowledge everywhere. You know, it's funny, that reminds me that Wet Judges was the same story as zombies. We had. We were just going through different creatures and we found out that this creature existed and that it was the. The result of something unknown. But this is what the creature behaves like. And it's not a shadow Realm. Creatures opposite to a win dingo. But they both turned out shadow room creatures. But there was some difference between them that we were like one comes from this and the other one kind of sorta. Eventually we discovered wolves. And both of these things shared a lot of characteristics. And that episode involved the connection of well, this is how a wolf biologically becomes. And this is how wolf biologically becomes that one. I believe the Wet Judge is the feral shadow realm version of a wolf. And the Windingo is the in control shadow realm version of a wolf. And both of those we found in isolation separate because we were just doing episodes about creatures. Cristina: But what do they have to do with the Shadow Realm? Jack: Adrenochrome. And they're both shadow realm creatures. Cristina: Okay. But they're based off of wolves and the wolves are from here, not from the shadow Realm. Jack: Exactly. Were wolf. Well, wolf can wolf takes adrenochrome the stages of a wolf as they would break apart. A wolf can sue. Let's take one of these 1950, 1940. Like six werewolves from the battlefield. Battlefield night people hiding. It sneaks up in the shadows and starts eating and drinking some of the blood. Because it's dies or. No, no, let me get there. It's gonna turn into. In consuming so much of it. A werewolf. Cristina: Mm. Jack: The werewolf is just the in control version of the wolf. Now two wolves came. They were talking about two separate wolves from the same pack. They came. They ate the same body. During the werewolves, both of them became werewolves. One of them was smart enough to consider coming back and the other one was a little cower. And as soon as it heard people ran away so they didn't consume the next day. This happens repeatedly. And the second wolf doesn't come back. The first werewolf stays a werewolf. The second werewolf now becomes a lichen. 00:55:00 Jack: It goes feral. It's just a Savage now. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It even forgets how to get back to it. It's just now a monster. Cristina: Okay. Jack: But they're more or less fizzled off Earth Realm. Cristina: Yes. Okay. Jack: Yes. And they all fizz. They physically look very similar, except a werewolf looks like a humanoid. It looks very similar than the werewolf is very gray, furred, wise and less crazy, I guess. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And the lichen is black fur and slimmer, while the werewolf looks bulkier. The lichen is thinned out and like up looking. It's like a really thinned out werewolf that's all black. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Now if the werewolf dies a werewolf, it becomes a wet judge. Cristina: Okay. And if the lichen dies, it becomes the other thing. Jack: And if lichen dies, it becomes a wendingo. Cristina: And those creatures are Shadow Realm creatures. Jack: And those creatures are Shadow Realm creatures. Cristina: Or they're ghost versions. Jack: Yeah, yeah. A lot of Shadow Realm creatures are ghost versions of earthrealm creatures because there's an inherent tie between them. Cristina: A little weird, because the Shadow realm is the original realm and we are. Jack: A pocket realm within it. Cristina: Yeah. But when we die, we go back to the original realm. Jack: Well, this is supported by all sciences, all religions and all philosophies that the. This association from the self unites us to the all. Another way of thinking about it is the texts that make it sound like it's a simulation. If the barriers are built around a certain type of code and you extract that code, then whatever code is left could exit the equation. Cristina: Okay, and then we just go back to the shadow realm. Jack: We can just be part of the shadow realm. So it's possible. Weird thought that everything within earthrealm is already a creature that might exist within the shadow realm, and we are just programmed with the external shell that we then think is ourselves. Cristina: What do you mean? Jack: Like my body isn't my body? Maybe I was always a gin, but because I'm born over here, the body feels like a body. But then it's weird beating our campy because creatures from the shadow realm coming over here to kidnap children and stuff, but to live. But they don't. They don't become suddenly physical unless they go through a procedure. Yes, and I don't understand what the procedure necessarily is because there's no specifics on it. Yeah, we know that they need a model, which is why they kidnap kids. They need an example of who they're going to become and that person is going to stay alive. They don't kill that person. Cristina: They don't. Jack: Well, somehow still existed when Lucifer became physical. Cristina: Yes, but did he transform also? Jack: Then Samuel got turned into Alfamer. Cristina: Is that what happened? Jack: No, he got turned to a Naga, I think, right? Cristina: Yeah, I think so. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: This story is twisted and weird. Jack: Yeah, that's a weird. Someone else been through the ringer. It's a weirdo. But this isn't a couple of places. Because if you think of Glycon from the Greek, he also was just a Greek dude who became a Naga. Cristina: That doesn't make sense. With the help of Keto. Because Nagas are fairies. So these are people becoming fairies. Jack: These are people. Well, people becoming Shadow worm creatures and Shadow Realm creatures becoming Earth Realmers are still weird. Cristina: That's weird. But it's less weird. They're becoming fairies. Jack: Well, presumably the Shadow Realm is a pocket within Alfame. The best way to think about it is if Elfame is Earth Realm, then the Shadow Realm is the Internet. And EarthRealm is like Facebook. Each one is inside the other in a smaller, more constricted way. But it's still the one thing. Like it's still Facebook exists within Earth. Cristina: A video character becoming human. Jack: Yes. So, okay, I guess the. The most logical way to make the next step remove would be to say we have humanoid robots that don't have any AI. They exist everywhere. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And the Facebook AI decides it's going to figure out how to enter one of our robots and navigate earthrealm. That would be the leap that Jesus born in earthrealm does 01:00:00 Jack: to get to Alfame. He is the Facebook AI. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Getting into one of our robots and now existing as a Earth Realm being. Cristina: What does it mean when one of us becomes a Naga? Jack: That would be the equivalent. Cristina: It's still in there. Jack: Yes. So there must be some form of code that creatures from the top have. Like MAB logging in. Cristina: Oh, NPCs. No, not NPCs. Main characters. Jack: Main characters. Yes. They acquire main character abilities. Yes, that's what it really means. Which is a good example in being Hermes. Main character abilities. Cristina: Okay, so if you can do become a Necromancer or become a Naga, you're doing the same thing. Yes, sort of. Jack: The difference is they're trying to make Nagas of existing individuals that they know are already loyal. They don't want one born. They're trying to make one out of people they know are already loyal to them. So there's some half baked kind of approach there. Cristina: And they. I don't think they have the same abilities as Nagas. Jack: No. It doesn't seem like they have the tip top. The closest person who got To. That was the first one we know about, which is the oldest, which is Yaldabaoth and his. Not his artificial Naga, which I guess everybody else is. An artificial Naga that we're talking about. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: But it looks like his was literally created from nothing. It wasn't based on anybody. Which is also why that one's overpowered. Cristina: That doesn't make sense. That does it. I don't know. Jack: Osteomorphus. That was the name of that serpent. Osteomorphous. Cristina: Came from nothing. Jack: He came from nothing. He was raw, created. So he must be more pure than doing it on a creature that was already a different creature. But they'll be loyal because they're part. They're in on it. It's their hard work, too, versus this. No, you were made exclusively for this purpose. You could turn on me and it might have. We know it had its own intentions. It might have done whatever, but that's the risk. A different variation on that is Jesus. It might go rogue. Except it went rogue and they did. Where they. How do they control it? Cristina: I don't know. But how do you do that? What? You said he just made one. Jack: Made one? What? Cristina: Made a Naga? Jack: Oh, I don't know, but it would be like, how did we invent a robot from nothing? Like, it's just. It's that he just made science. Figure it out. Cristina: Okay. I don't know. Jack: But the leap Jesus made is pretty impressive, especially if we. If we listen. If we listen, Deacon, listen. If we take the texts that make it sound like a simulation at face value and say, oh, yeah, that's definitely the true one. Jesus made it out of the simulation and into an Alfame robot. That's basically what we'd be saying. Yeah, he jumped to the middle stage. Or went through it. We know he went through it. Literally. He could enter the wider Internet. Cristina: But he's not the only one. Jack: No, he's not the only one. Because whatever quote AI unquote Hermes is can easily just walk out. And he was just Earthreal. So he is another Facebook AI. He's the original Facebook AI that managed to just get into a robot in her throne. Cristina: That's weird, but yes. But then I still don't understand, because Nagas are. Jack: I think Nagas are an attempt to do a biological cheat sheet for Hermes, because you can either study and get it. That's a. The filter is crazy. Phew. It's so hard. So few people have figured it out. Immense power. Even people who didn't figure it out. Alexander the Great There you go. Even people who didn't get it, what they did get, made them monstrously overpowered, but with limitations. The idea of a Naga bypass the limitations instantaneously. Shortcuts. It's all shortcuts. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Because the right way to do it would be learned hermetic principles. Follow the laws that Hermes lays out. Understand his lessons. He says it, it's the only way. And the proof kind of stands on it. The fact that nobody else figures it out. Cristina: Yeah, he figured it out. Jack: He did. Cristina: And nothing is like gonna figure it out after him though. Is Jesus really it? Jack: Well, we don't know. Merlin came after Jesus. Cristina: That's true. Just forget he's the most recent. Jack: Yeah, he's the most recent. He was whack, but he was the most recent. Then again he was way overpowered. Still time bending. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Even if he was defeated, it's still pretty crazy. Jack: I guess so. Well, yeah, he was tricked, but he was tricked by a fairy. He was killed off by a fairy. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Like you know. The question is, could Hermes know her? Is the problem is also Hermes has no goal. Think about how interesting this is. It doesn't look like. No, but St. Patrick's was associated. Even if he was human. Cristina: What do they mean? Jack: He was still associated with the Elysians. They called on him for help. Cristina: I don't know. Because of him and Santa makes it seem like the religion is behind is part of them or they made the Catholic Church. Right. Jack: The Catholic Church was made by the Elysians, but the Catholic Church employs humans. Cristina: Yeah, but to keep the Elysians secret. Jack: Yeah. The whole point is to keep the Elysian secret and to make Jesus just seem like he's unrelated to the Elysians. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Yeah. And it looks like, you know, they're neutral. And maybe they were priests who were like, we're gonna put. We're gonna send you on a quest. We're gonna send priests. Maybe that's the point of priests. Raising some priests regularly to a school out in Greece where they're gonna come across a series of tests and tasks at the School of L. If they pass enough of them, you're going to get into a special class and you're going to take it and you're hopefully going to pass that class. That class is all that matters. Everything you're going to do for the next 20 years of your life is pure training to try to pass one class. That's it. Good luck. And then, you know, just kept sending people, kept sending people, kept sending people and one guy, St. Patrick, makes it through and meets Hermes and takes classes with him and, and St. Nicholas makes it through and gets there. But how many hundreds of other priests went there and like tried and they could, didn't even know what they were there for other than I told I was going to do this my whole life. And I'm not going to get married, I'm not going to have children, and I'm going to go back and go, you know, I dedicated my life to them. I'm gonna go lead a church and I'm gonna be great. I'm gonna have it said and made. But I don't know what the beginning of that path was. And only few of them, and they disappear forever. Now it's the, the St. Patrick's of the world. It was like, no, I'm an OG. I got the abilities that they want. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And so those are in house necromancers. Hermes is neutral party if they can, if they. Anybody who can get my teachings can get my teachings. Cristina: So you think he was training? Jack: He was at Lesium as written by Aristotle. Cristina: In his notes, they say for how long? Jack: Unclear, but he was at Lesium, so that's fact number one. The specific lines were that he was waiting for the special students. And Aristotle's take on that is that his students were the elite students, the students that had taken all their other classes, the students that have aced everything else. And it's a school of philosophy. What the f*** does it mean to ace that? It means to understand everything there. Cristina: Which makes sense for what you need for Hermes. Jack: You got to enter equipped in every aspect of everything. And so you get to his class. Most people didn't make it. And I don't know how he would evaluate them, but he must have been looking at the notes of the other teachers there and been like, I want that student on that guy. He seems to be doing good every class specifically in these topics, which means he understands the nuance I'm looking for. Maybe all the other teachers were just cover. Cristina: For the real goal. Jack: For the real goal. Everything is designed as an intricate filter. And it's, it's a tournament. There's one winner. Of course, there's more multiple winners. But in this case, you know, to picture it better, it's tournament style. The guy who makes it to the championship past all the tests, but you still got to eliminate, eliminate, eliminate. And so you can't have a huge class of thousands of people. You got to be very restrictive. And maybe not. Maybe anybody who can make it can make it. Except people don't make it because it's really hard to get. Cristina: Mm. That's really hard. Jack: It's really abstract. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Really abstract. But it all makes perfect sense is the problem. So you gotta be able to understand really abstract thoughts in order to then bend reality with your mind the way that Hermes suggest can happen. And that we've found this proof through Naga and other necromancers and the people who cheat and manage to get a stone and aren't necromancers because that's so op. Cristina: Yeah. But he's the reason that there are stones. Jack: Yes. He invented them. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: Yep. He is so good at being secretive. Hermes. He's so good at being secretive and so good at making things that we didn't know that both parts of the craft 01:10:00 Jack: were literally him. We found the first part and we're like, he made the thing like somebody else made the other part and improved on it. No, it was also him. It's just. It's hard to connect any part of things that have to do with him because everything exists in isolation. Because he's so good at just disappearing off of that side of the planet and popping up over here and doing a bunch of crap over here and stays over here for a thousand years and disappears over here. And he's over there now. No given. Doesn't seem to care about the passage of time. Doesn't seem to care about what side anybody's on. Does no barriers exist. I'm in this room. I'm in that room. Whatever. Cristina: That's what he does. Jack: Very godlike. He reminds me a Q from Star Trek. Cristina: Probably less of a troll than him, though. Jack: We have no idea. We have no, no idea. Not a clue what his personality is like. Not a clue. We know some people had character to them. Some of the Elysians were like, you know, you can imagine them. The guy who's just whoring around banging humans. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You're probably a chill dude. Bro. Cristina: Know. Jack: You know, he's just a dude. He's out there just linging, slinging his come everywhere he goes. Cristina: We don't know anything about Hermes. Jack: Who the h*** does? Cristina: I thought he's a weirdo or not weirdo. He's just secretive. Jack: He's private. Cristina: Private. Jack: We got stories from Santa. We got stories from Patrick. We got Jehovah stories. He seemed to be pretty chill, but kind of stern dude. Lucifer seems kind of more worrisome. He's these would, you know, panicky Lilith has a bit of attitude to what she does. Everybody has characteristics based on everything we found. And then Hermes is like, I don't know about you, dude. I don't know if you're, like, serious jokey. If you're like, you know, expressions. He's robed. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Every description of him, robes. Nobody sees this face. Even his homies have no idea if he's smiling or not. He's talking to a robe all the time. Cristina: That's kind of crazy. It's pretty crazy. We don't know anything weird. There could be more than one. Jack: There could totally be more than one. But also, he can bend time. What the. Cristina: Like, why do you need more than one? Jack: Why do you need more? He's everywhere. He's everywhere. He's all over the place. Everybody's Hermes at one point. It's like, no, it's the same dude. We thought it was multiple people. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And then it's like, no, it's the same guy. What? How? How, How, How? In fact, we thought it was so multiple people because Loi is the title and Hermes exists. And we're like, that's probably the title, too. And he existed back then, and they knew each other. Weird. So different people. And then we're like, nope, it turns out same guy. It's like, how the f*** does this work out? We still haven't even proven that about Loi. Cristina: I don't think he's. I mean, I think he is more than one guy. Jack: Loi feels like a title. And the way they describe the giant ship shifts in behavior. Feels like different people. Feels like a title within the family or a job position or political role or something. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Hermes is literally the guy's name. He'll go by a different name. And then tell them, I'm Hermes. They gave me this name over here. But Hermes is from actual name. Cristina: Weird. Yeah. Jack: And he'll write it. He'll be like, I'm Hermes. Cristina: He writes it, I'm Hermes. Jack: I'm Hermes. And then he made the emerald. He made this, everybody. No, Hermes. Geras Magista's made this. Don't happen. How? How do you do this in Europe? And then at the same time, he made that in Afghanistan, bro. Let's have a real conversation. Cristina: Because time travel. Jack: Because time travel. Cristina: And because there's nothing really. Jack: Instantaneous teleportation. Cristina: Exactly. Jack: And, like, it doesn't matter. Cristina: Solution to any problem is time travel. For Hermes 100. Jack: That explains ever once that's. It's like, yeah, you could bend time. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: So you're just hanging out back there, like the day you chilled with that guy's grandson millions of years later. Cristina: Mm. Jack: To you it was minutes apart. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: You just skadoodled across and it's a. It's seamless. If we were watching you from a movies perspective, you're like, all right, Jehovah, I'll let him know. You take two steps, we zoom in on you. You take two steps, none of the scenery changes. And now you're standing in front of Loi. Hey. Your grandson said this. And when we zoom out, we see Eloi, but not Jehovah. That's how seamless it would be to him. Cristina: That's pretty crazy. Jack: He didn't think about it just there. Cristina: That's totally how it could work. I don't know. Jack: And from the point of view of both of these individuals, he never left. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Because he can pop into the same fraction of a second he left that with Jehovah and walk right into that same moment and be like, your grandfather said this. And from your point of view to my. I'm right now, I'm Hermes. And right now you're Jehovah. And you tell me you need to tell my grandfather to add this, this, and that to 01:15:00 Jack: the equation starting on this next sentence. I'm Hermes. Okay. All right, Jehovah, I'm gonna go tell your grandfather right now what to do. Listen, Loi, it's very important that you add these couple of parts. Now. Loi tells him whatever it's like. Okay. I'm gonna make sure your grandson knows this. Jehovah. Listen, he said that, that one sentence, he's gonna talk to two people across time. And to him it's gonna feel consistent and linear to them. Not a moment past the moment you said links. Cristina: And then he sees a different person. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And time has stopped over there. Cuz not really. He's just in the past and he's gonna go back to that same moment. Cristina: Okay. Okay. That's crazy. That's his ability though. Jack: Does his ability though super overpowered. And he can do that at any point in time, at any place in time? That's God. Cristina: That's ridiculous. Yes. That's good. I don't think there's anything above that. Jack: I don't think there's anything above that. Minus whatever exists in Alpha that we have no reference point for. Yes, but the realms we are aware of. Even elves don't touch this. Nagas don't touch this. Cristina: As far as we can tell. Jack: Yeah. It would have to be the theory of the simulation. And it would have to be that MAB is a programmer and only then, because then she'd have the ability to like deprogram the robot, shut off the Internet, whatever. Cristina: But she can't. So it's not that. Jack: Or she should. We don't know if she can. Maybe she is just one of the programmers at the big company. The company really owns the Internet. She just knows how to work. She's the best worker, knows how to do it. Okay, but she can shut it off and ruin the project and save the world if it got that bad. 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October 12, 2024

Rambling 293: Atlantis Migration

October 12, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

What can the migration path of the Elysians tell us? What was the true goal in heading to Atlantis? Did they go straight there first? The duo unpack the mass evacuation of the Persian Gulf Oasis and the Migration of the Elysians on their way to the Atlantic Ocean.

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Elysians
Atlantis
Bimini Road
Persian Gulf Oasis
Greater Bahamas Landmass
20k Years Ago Sea Level
Year 1

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And so last week we were talking about the city of Dwarka, which was a hyper advanced, ancient civilization with actually an abundance of proof, text and a bunch of s*** that they most likely were in fact, what they were saying.

Cristina: Some weird futuristic place in India, off.

Jack: The coast of India. But they sank their city, most likely intentionally, to avoid some bigger, greater boogeyman.

Cristina: What could that be? That's crazy. That's such a crazy thing.

Jack: And this happened long before Jesus Christ. So it wasn't the same instance. No, it was longer ago. It was further back in time.

Cristina: So what were they fearing? What could be bigger about it? What could that be?

Jack: Yeah, it could have been anything. Right? Like we have no reference point for things from longer ago.

Cristina: No, but can it have been another civilization? They sounded like the most advanced.

Jack: Yeah, they sounded like they were at least kind of touching the. What we know the Aletians to be.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Well, on the flip side, they did have like, more primitive technology when we compared to certain things. When we're talking about them gathering solar energy and the Egyptians building entire Dyson spheres, like those are two massively different stages of power. We're talking that in that case, the people of Dwarka were stage two on the Kardashev scale. Maybe not even. No, not even. Because they're not taking all of the power of the star.

Cristina: No, but they're taking power from the star.

Jack: So their civilization one getting to Civilization two, while the Egyptians were already Civilization two leaning into Civilization three. Because the entire Dark Void, the Great Void, is made because of a crap ton of Dyson spheres. That's entire stars captured in this gap, maybe even galaxies, which would then push them into the third, leading to fourth. And the Elysians are still stronger. So Dwarka isn't actually that. That.

Cristina: So are they afraid of the Elysians, the Egyptians?

Jack: All these groups would be more powerful than Dwarka. Now there are some things. Again, space time manipulation now brings us into a different stage. Yeah, we haven't heard mention of this from any of the others, but like, how the h*** they have instantaneous transportation using the pyramids and things like that. So they. Everybody's got their specialty, it looks like. And if these people can manipulate space and time, that's kind of op.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. Because space travel, maybe you can't construct some giant thing around the star, but clearing space becomes easier than it is for everybody else, minus the Egyptians, who could instantaneously get somewhere.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: Now, thinking about this, I wanted to know who these people were scared of. There were other civilizations to look at. I started going through them, and as I'm doing it, the pattern is the same. So it's not even worth looking at the civilizations per se, and they're less advanced anyways. So we already saw the most advanced of the ones we haven't looked at, and we still can't tell what it is that they were fearing to begin with. So looking at this and seeing that they were this level of advance so long ago.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I just started combing back through the data, everything we have. What do we have? And started looking at everything again. What is this information trying to tell us now with this new perspective that there were civilizations this level of advanced prior to the Mayans even getting technology, prior to the Egyptians even getting this technology. We know that the Elysians existed with the first mentions of jehovah being roughly 12,000 years ago.

Cristina: And we knew there was a civilization around the world on the line.

Jack: Yes. That they were all advanced about 12,000 years ago.

Cristina: Yes. We have no idea whether now that they destroyed themselves, which we assume they all destroyed themselves, or that something actually got to them.

Jack: And it's funny, because India is on that old equator line. Okay, so Dwarka is in theory one of those locations which.

Cristina: Which destroyed itself. So did the others. What happened?

Jack: Did the other. Interesting point. Did the others do it to preserve their own safety? Were they all flourishing? interesting.

Cristina: Was Satan involved also, I guess is another question.

Jack: Lucifer.

Cristina: Lucifer, yeah.

Jack: Satan ain't a thing. Satan is religious. But in looking at these things, I started stumbling upon some things that I found kind of interesting. And I thought we would discuss them today in order to add some new perspective, because the perspective we had allowed me to look at this and then to consider things from a different light. So I want to talk about the Elysians and I want to talk about their migration pattern, because I think their migration pattern might be informative in a couple of degrees.

Cristina: Really. What?

Jack: So as far as we know, based on our understanding of the events, based on texts provided by the Mayans, from the Greek, from the Egyptians, and some random obscured sort of settlements here and there, we have understanding that the Elysians came from the Persian Gulf oasis. And when the tragedy happened, whatever it was that forced them to run away from their home. They broke up into three groups. One went north, we're assuming to the Norse area.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We know this because Mananan hungs out up there. So they would have already either gone to establish those things or had things up there already they could have safely gone to. One is to where is known today as Gaza. In the Palestine. In Palestine. Which was previously known as Philistines. And we know this because the genetic marker that only exists around the Persian Gulf oasis is the exact genetic marker that exists in that area.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Right. We're going to talk about neither one of those two though. Talk about the obvious one that most people know about, which is the ones that went to the Atlantic Ocean. Right.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because that's where the story begins for who knows about these people? Most people only know about them through this location. So do you remember what the basic idea is? Where'd they go? Everybody knows the answer.

Cristina: Bermuda Triangle.

Jack: And what's there.

Cristina: And then their water city known as. Yes. Okay.

Jack: Okay. That's the common knowledge about what happened. The third group goes west, goes to the Atlantic Ocean. Goes to where the Bermuda Triangle is and dives down into what is known as Atlantis.

Cristina: Yes. And they might have a storm machine that's making that craziness that's happening above it.

Jack: Yes. Or maybe not a storm machine. But we've also determined that it is possible that there are different kinds of life we struggle to identify. And that there are clouds, like creatures.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or that clouds themselves have a type of sentience that they have learned how to communicate with. And so, okay, there's that mess going on. Right. But let's focus on the water and then the migration pattern.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They hit the ocean and go all the way to where they're going and dive down. How the h*** did they do this? Did they have the technology to float on the water while they built the city? Was the city being built for a long time and then they just managed to leave? Right. When the thing happened is like whether it's complete or not, the structures that are there will finish while down there. Like how? How.

Cristina: How are there. There should be theories on how. Is that what you're gonna talk about? Because I really don't know.

Jack: It's complicated. Right? I really don't know because that's weird. How did. How, How, How, How. How. So those are the three groups. Right? Norway region. The Philistines, now known as Palestine. Specifically the Gaza region. And then the Atlantic Ocean. Simple. Now, these are supported through various sources of records and hieroglyphs. In several different countries. From several different countries as well as traces of a nomadic race starting at the Persian Gulf oasis and following their remnants straight through. One disappears into the Atlantic Ocean, one lands specifically Gaza and one goes towards the north and kind of trails off eventually. So we can prove the hieroglyphs and the records aren't wrong because we can find traces of individuals that kind of fit the suit, but they go to the Atlantic Ocean in the Bermuda Triangle specifically. And it gets weird.

Cristina: That's already weird.

Jack: That's already weird. So what can we see in that area? Do you remember what we know for a fact that we can look at in that area that provided proof of like. Oh yeah, definitely down there.

Cristina: I remember line statues, but I don't know if that related to that.

Jack: Yes, it's the Bimini road and the underwater areas surrounding it.

Cristina: Okay, right.

Jack: So the Bimini road is a block like pattern road going into the water and for miles surrounding it you find statues and pyramids and reared structures all over the place. In the water, in the water.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: Everything looks worn and wasted. And the road itself is isolated by itself going far in the distance. You got to find these other things in the water. It's not like you see the road and oh, there's a statue right next to it. It's underneath this giant area. And that brings up some interesting questions. Right? If they went to the Atlantic Ocean, what was this road for? If they went underwater, who was this road for? Why would you want an obvious path leading down there?

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: I was thinking about that. I was thinking about how stupid it would be if you're trying to hide the leave remnants of where you went.

Cristina: It would make sense if it wasn't always underwater.

Jack: If it would make sense if it wasn't always underwater. But then what's the story of Atlantis? What is the point? And like I don't understand. If it wasn't always underwater, would they not underwater? So where are they now? And why don't the islands surrounding that have any of the same structures going on? Okay, interesting, right? Questions just pop up, things we didn't think about before. So I have some theories we can discuss and some evidence to support some of these theories. There are four possibilities we're going to go with scientifically the most likely. If we were looking at any other civilization without considering hyper advanced technology, if we were looking at any other modern day civilization, how would we explain the same thing? But first let's talk about where Bimini is and what Bimini is. There is an island, the Bimini island, specifically northern and southern Bimini. And they are off the coast of Florida, close to the Bahamas.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And this general region right there by the Atlantic. Let me see if I can get you a nice little image here. And you're gonna see kind of the area right here.

Cristina: Do the islands themselves have anything I.

Jack: Just said they didn't.

Cristina: They didn't. Okay. So it's just things near it.

Jack: Just things near it. And we'll discuss any details on the islands in a bit. That's not the point yet. But here are the islands. You know, this is just kind of the region very close to Florida. Yeah, this is Florida. Very close. I'm gonna show you. This is the island right here. That's Miami. These are the literal Bimini Islands. That's how small we're talking. We can zoom out a little more. And you're gonna see right down there the Bimini Islands. Very small. Here's the Bahamas. Way larger.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, that's kind of what we're looking at. It's very small.

Cristina: Bunch of small, scattered islands.

Jack: Yes, a bunch of small scattered islands. And we know the path. The Bimini road is coming out of the northern Bimini island towards the north of the Atlantic Ocean. Right now, thinking about the most common possibility, we have to do some scientific research. I'm gonna give you the theory and then the explanation as to why it's likely. So initially, the idea would be that Bimini island and where Atlantis was were one place.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: And that we were looking at the. If you remember the difference between Legend of Zelda, Twilight Princess, I think it is, and then the Legend of Zelda Wind Waker, where the entire world of Hyrule has become island tops as the world got flooded and everybody had to migrate to the highest points.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's possible those islands are.

Cristina: That they're just the tops of something.

Jack: Else, the tops of a larger landmass. Now, the island chain of Bimini and Atlantis would have had to be one seamless structure somehow. And it could have been a country or a continent of its own.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, this is supported because in a lot of different texts, it is described as a country or a continent just as often as it is described as a city. Some people describe it as a mega city, some people describe it as a country that's super advanced, and some people describe it as a continent that had an advanced civilization.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's unclear what of them it is. We always lean on city because most of the descriptors used after the country, continent, or city kind of lean towards the city idea of skyscrapers. But can you imagine a super metropolis the size of a country where buildings don't end from here the way over there? Very dystopian future of, like, there's no nature. It's all trees, all the. I mean, it's all buildings all the time in every direction. It doesn't matter how many miles you drive. More buildings, more buildings, more buildings, more buildings indefinitely for the length of an entire country without a pause, without breaks in between.

Cristina: That's what it's supposed to be like.

Jack: No, that's just a way to explain what the text say.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: No way to certify what it's supposed to be like. There's a bunch of different explanations. That's why people land at city, because that's the only place you could think of that would have so many buildings and things. But if it's the size of a country or continent that was also unending from one side to the other, nothing but buildings, then you got to consider how large and advance this really was that be just so consumed by infrastructure.

Cristina: Okay. And it would have been all of that.

Jack: All of that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Except we're assuming that the. You know, we always describe it as a city because of that. That is the point. We always talk about it as a city because of this. But if these are just the tops of the structure, then maybe it was larger than we thought.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it just shrunk down so that the remnants are left by Bimini.

Cristina: Are there people in Bimini?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so if it was a country, what is known as Atlantis could have been the capital of the country.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: And that's why we heard about that mostly. It could have been the largest city in the country.

Cristina: I guess that. That could be, too. Yeah.

Jack: It could have been the most densely populated city in the country.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Or simply the most technologically advanced city in the country. We think of Seattle. That's not particularly densely populated, but it's kind of advanced compared to a lot of other things. We look at New York. That's not the capital, but it's a huge, you know, metropolis. So there's areas that aren't capitals and aren't the most densely packed, but they're definitely. They. We hear about them more. And when people think of the United States, they think, oh, New York, okay. Oh, Hollywood.

Cristina: But, like, the whole state or country, whatever, went underground, not just Atlantic, Atlantis. That's just one of the places that went down. Yes, but it's a bunch of.

Jack: It would have been a giant Landmass that existed.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If it were a continent, then what is known as Atlantis today could have been the governing country of the continent. It could have been neutral territory in the country where most people can go without war. It could have been the most technologically advanced country on the continent.

Cristina: Okay. That spot big enough to say like, a continent could fit there?

Jack: Well, we're going to discuss that when we get that far.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It could have been the most dangerous country. And this also falls definitely in line with thinking about how people were describing them as the sea people and describing them as being terrorized by them. It being the most dangerous country lines up with us hearing about it more. The sea people from Atlantis, I guess they were being terrorized oceanside. Everybody.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess it just seems like they had one specific enemy. I don't know if everyone was afraid of them or they were all afraid.

Jack: Of how people were described by several people as pirates and terrorists.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Only country of the Elysian people within the region. So if there was a continent there, maybe the Elysians only resided in Atlantis and not the entire continent.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that's why we hear about Atlantis now, to explain these things, the civilization would have, by default, been absolutely large, or at least the structure would have been gigantic. The date we would have to put this in would be very different. Then this is where it becomes unlikely. So all that information makes it likely. And I'm about to explain how it's both likely and unlikely for our narrative. The water levels 20,000 years ago were 400ft lower. That is not 2,000 years ago. 2,000 years ago, it might have been a foot lower. 20,000 years ago, it was 400ft lower.

Cristina: Okay, now they have to be way older than we think. If it was the thing.

Jack: Yes. Now, I'm gonna show you again the image of Bimini. And as I scroll down, you're going to start seeing where the landmass would have been and how much it would have taken. Here we have Bimini. There's Miami.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Again, Bimini down there. The Bahamas. Miami.

Cristina: So tiny.

Jack: This would have been the landmass.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah. It's a little country.

Jack: All of that would have been over water. A further away. Look, all of that starting all the way at the coast of Florida and leading right over the Dominican Republic and encapsulating all those islands would have been over water. This is larger than some actual countries. Larger than Puerto Rico, larger than the Dominican Republic, larger than Cuba.

Cristina: Connected to Cuba and Dominican. No, no. It was his own thing. Okay.

Jack: There would have. It would have been way closer, but it would not have touched.

Cristina: Oh, didn't touch Florida either.

Jack: No, it would have been really close. You could have seen it from Florida.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Really far away. You would have seen it. Well, but you wouldn't have made contact.

Cristina: With Florida because it was its own island.

Jack: Yeah. There would be water between Florida at this point.

Cristina: It's a big island, though.

Jack: It's a big island. It's a pretty big island. And that kind of brings up a lot of interesting points. Right. So important details about this. The again, that's the water level. That's what it would look like with the water level 20,000 years ago. And it would connect the entire Bahamas region, all the islands towards the bottom, all the islands towards the top. The Bimini, that entire bubble would be one landmass. For perspective, the state of New York is 47,000 square miles. This island would be 48,000 square miles. North Carolina would be 49 is 49,000 square miles. Mississippi is 47. Pennsylvania is 46, and Alabama is 51. This is 48. Those are just states.

Cristina: Yes. So it's the size of a state. Well, American state, as we saw.

Jack: It's bigger than Cuba.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so there are some countries that this is roughly in the ballpark of Greece is 50,000 square miles. North Korea is 46,000 square miles. That's 2,000 square miles smaller.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Liberia is 43,000 square miles. That's 5,000 square miles smaller. And Cuba is 42,000 square miles, which is 6,000 square miles smaller. It would have been the size of a little country.

Cristina: Yeah, it looks like it. Yeah.

Jack: Interesting little details.

Cristina: But we only know about one city.

Jack: But we only know about Atlantis. So again, it could have been, like I said, it could have been the capital of the country. It could have been the largest city in the country or the most densely populated one or the most technologically advanced city in the country. And if we're calling this a country that's similar to this is like New York.

Cristina: New York. So, like, it was the city. Is Atlantis the popular city, but the country is also known as Atlantis?

Jack: Could be the case. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe like the. The most important part of it was also named after it. Definitely could have been the case. But it's also possible that this entire landmass, because we don't see remnants of highly advanced technology on any of these islands, it's possible that the civilization of the Elysians was focused mainly in this one state or this one city within that country.

Cristina: And Then the rest was just wild.

Jack: The rest was just other people.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Just other people who weren't. Think about how Dwarka was built and how they had walls stopping the primitives from just coming in and going easily. And they wouldn't sell advanced tech, but they would allow markets for. You know, you could buy food, you could buy this, you could buy that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But they wouldn't allow people to leave. So maybe this was the most advanced city and primitives could come through.

Cristina: But they all live like normal people.

Jack: They all live like normal people. Hence the knowledge of. All the Atlanteans were so advanced as compared to the rest of us. Their technology was so out there. Which definitely falls in line when we think about things like Eloi and how they were so advanced, trying to figure out humans. Except Eloi isn't mentioned. At this point, we stop hearing about Loi, and this is long before we get to Jehovah. This is actually in the pocket of one guy we can't seem to find anything about. Yahweh.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, crap.

Jack: The guy we can find nothing about happens to fall in line with the timeline where this land mass would have existed, but no longer does.

Cristina: And you think he has something to do with.

Jack: Not something to do with it, but rather he vanished with it?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You know, he didn't cause it. No, but this falls in line with. Well, he was kind of likely, by our estimates, around 20,000 to 40,000 years ago in that range. And this land mass would have existed around that time. This was the highest point. Okay, so this is how the most land, before the water starts coming back up to swallow it. It took 20,000 years to swallow it, but this was the most amount of land. Yeah, but before it, there would have still been land, just less of it over time, as the water level was higher.

Cristina: So. So weird. Like, they must have known that that was gonna happen and then protected themselves from that. Or did they just. Or is there no one there now? But there has to be someone there now.

Jack: There are people on the islands.

Cristina: Yeah. No, I mean, like, Atlantis is still.

Jack: Yes, for sure. But then Atlantis is somewhere beneath this mess. It's somewhere where this giant landmass would have been, according to this theory. And again, based on how migration patterns happen, if they settled the island and the island had, you know, people distributed all over the place, it's possible in this argument that the city was built and then they throw the dome that protects it from being swallowed by the water while everything else around them gets swallowed by the water.

Cristina: That's pretty harsh.

Jack: And then everybody. Why is that harsh?

Cristina: Because they're not protecting other people.

Jack: What is their obligation to anyone else?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: And everybody moves to the highest points, slowly migrate. You got to understand, this is also happening over a long period of time. It's not like overnight the water level rose, they covered their city, and slowly the water came for them. And all people migrated over generations and generations migrated more to the higher points, to what is known today as these islands. And then they went extinct. However they went. And then the people who settled them later shut up. Okay, under this logic, they didn't need to show up, hover on the water and send tech down.

Cristina: No, they just built over time.

Jack: They built their city on land, and then the water level started rising and swallowed it. Pretty basic, pretty simple. Based on how migration patterns really work. That would explain the islands, people on the islands. That would explain structures underneath the water. That would explain a lot of this all in one shot. The difference is we don't have on any of these islands who would have been closest to the Alicians. We have no data other than the Bermini Road and the structures underneath the water. We have nothing on the islands themselves.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: So arguments could be that knowledge was lost as the water levels rose and different generations passed over thousands and thousands of years. But this also doesn't line up with what happened 2,000 years ago. The argument here would be Atlantis existed that entire time. And when they left the Persian Gulf oasis, all they had to do was go to an existing metropolis city. Underwater.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Didn't have to build anything. It was there.

Cristina: They had. They must have used teleportation or something. I don't know, who knows?

Jack: But there is a migration pattern. But we also know that, like Cyprus is a migration point. There are light. Not migration point. They're teleportation points. Oh, I guess because Mary went from one to the other and they might.

Cristina: Have done the same.

Jack: Okay, Cyprus one, Athos was one, so on and so forth.

Cristina: The mountains.

Jack: The mountains.

Cristina: Weird. Using the mountains to go underwater.

Jack: So the migration was trying to get to the right mountain. And that's why when they hit the ocean going west just vanishes and they trail off. Because they did manage to reach where they were going, the mountain that would send them to Atlantis.

Cristina: Oh, snap. Yes.

Jack: And Atlantis built over there. Where that land mass used to be is underwater protected and has been protected for thousands of years. Underwater. That is theory number one.

Cristina: That's a great theory. That's the best theory. Or does it get Better.

Jack: There are other theories. You decide whether they're best or not.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Next would also require the 20,000 years ago period to have played out. Right. Same idea. And the water level starts rising over time and the Atlanteans don't exist. And the story we get from the Persian Gulf voices, those people must have gone to the tops of these islands or something. The argument here is they settled what is known is Atlanta as Atlantis first. That was the original location they went to. Atlantis was the place they landed. At first, this island was huge. They settled that area. But as the water levels began to rise over thousands of years, like natural civilizations, you know, the coast came up close, we built our houses up the hill. Over a couple of hundred years, the water reached again. We built our houses higher up the hill, so on and so forth. To repeat this pattern until now, when all we have is the islands and the underwater structures leading to them. From their natural migration from the lowest point of the island to the higher point that is now several islands.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Normal migration pattern. Absolutely. Logical migration pattern. There was a city known as Atlantis.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or a settlement or something. Maybe could have been hyper advanced, but there was no point in. Maybe they couldn't protect it the way we're assuming they did. Maybe that's impossible.

Cristina: Okay, so they just moved out of there. Yeah, eventually.

Jack: Not even fast. Just slowly, slowly moved out.

Cristina: So it just looks like something's there, but what they left behind.

Jack: Yes, just slowly as they built roads and, you know.

Cristina: Mm. Kind of like that other place that we talked about last week. Like it was there and then the water and then they left. Like there's no reason to stay there. Oh yeah, they sank it. So crazy. Okay, wow.

Jack: Here it just. These are just logical scientific explanations for like what's the most likely, based on common knowledge. Yeah. Maybe they just settled in one spot. And as water levels over thousands of years rose, they kept moving and building where they are. They just build where they are, but they're always moving where they are over hundreds of years, you know, so they're.

Cristina: Probably not there anymore.

Jack: I'm probably not there anymore. The structures are probably down buried in the water somewhere as debris and crap lands on it and covers it over thousands and thousands of years. But like, we see things here and there, we see statues here and there, all spread out under the ocean within this area. But ultimately it was just the migration pattern. They settled low and over thousands of years kept moving. And we see all the structures from their migration patterns to the higher points that are now all the islands okay. And as they went higher, less space, more people in that space leads to more war and less resources. People eventually die out. If this was a giant location, and that would explain the lack of these individuals. Now, funny enough, the opposite argument of the it being a giant single landmass that was one giant collective of people. If it was one giant thing, and they were all the Elysians, as the lower parts of this giant metropolis kept getting drowned out, again, they just moved to the higher points.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And higher and higher. More of a seamless transition. So if it was all a single thing, they get to the top. And the only question is, where did the structures go in that argument? In the second argument, they killed each other trying to survive. Everything kind of disappears.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They murdered one another just trying to survive.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: And that would lead us to, you know, where is the stuff? Well, we can see it underwater, but where'd they go? Well, they got.

Cristina: They're dead.

Jack: Yeah, it got. It got narrow.

Cristina: It got dark. Okay.

Jack: It got narrow. And so the problems with this theory is that there is a lack of above ground evidence in the form of local structures similar to the ones beneath the ocean. That's a problem. There's little information matching the data that aligns with what the Egyptians and the Mayans claim happened. There's not anything saying this is the path that took place. The increase in sea Height, level since 20,000 years ago suggests this could make sense. Though it is a great argument in that lack of evidence in the form of matching records as well. There's nothing along those lines. And lack of evidence in the form of not just statues underwater, but any kind of formation or migration pattern that shows them coming out of the water, other than the structures, doesn't exist.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: At this point, all we have is the Bermuda Road.

Cristina: All that there is that would point.

Jack: Like a literal path going into the water. And so hard to argue these because.

Cristina: It looks like they just disappeared. If we were just to follow the.

Jack: Path, yes, it looks like it's just nothing there. But again, it's also really hard to find things considering that 20,000 years is a really long time. We're talking erosion, we're talking a tectonic plate movements, we're talking debris from above the ocean currents and water bearing things slowly 20,000 years, anything will disappear. Even if it's still there, it would be invisible to us. Just like Dwarka. Dwarka wasn't 20,000 years ago. Dwarka was only 9,000 years ago. And it's completely underwater stories. Yeah, we have stories and sonar imaging. That's it. Because it's almost completely buried just by natural. Natural causes. Nature did it. It's just completely underwater. Other than them sinking it to the bottom, they didn't bury it. They just let it sink time buried it. Yeah. 20,000 years is twice the buried.

Cristina: Mm

Jack: And actually no, because 20,000 years is way more water level rising. The swallow it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So it's more and more and more buried, especially if it began at the bottom.

Cristina: That's crazy. Yeah. There's no way to see what was there.

Jack: Now we go to the two other possibilities, the ones that would line up with the records, but that don't line up with the water level. So the records. This is a big problem. Right. Because natural understanding of how migration and things happen suggests the water level makes perfect sense. Except where the f*** is everybody Then? The opposite is what do the records of the Mayans, the Egyptians, the Greek, the Indians, the settlements locally, they got a different story about what these people did and where they were. And their stories work together. They corroborate, even if they never. Well, yeah, we've discussed it.

Cristina: Yeah, but there's new stories or you got a new connection to what they said?

Jack: I'm not talking about anything that they said. I'm using that data to do what I did with the previous two things, but now only aligning to the existing stories we've discussed. I'm not adding stories, we're just using those stories to conclude what's going on.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And this would take place between the year 4 BCE and 6 CE. That's before the current era and after the current era. Okay, now interesting idea here for this possibility. They get to the Atlantic Ocean and they head towards these islands. And group three, keep in mind group one goes north, likely to the Norse areas, Norway and Ireland and those kind of areas. One goes to the place known today as Gaza in Palestine, which used to be the Philistines. We have genetic markers to prove that. And the other side going to the Atlantic Ocean, the third group breaks off into two groups.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Well, that's a theory. One settling on the islands today known as the Bahama Islands and Bimini and this in that region. Okay, mostly the Bimini Islands. And one goes to what is known as Atlantis. That group splitting off into two would allow them to both have the mention of Atlantis and to have the Bimini road. The road is then a connecting point between these two places where they settled both.

Cristina: Okay, so there they are still around in the meaning island. No, they're not oh, okay.

Jack: They would just be in Atlantis. Oh, but they settled these two at some point would be the argument here. And the road would have just been a connecting path to these settlements and. Or city. It could have been a settlement and a city. Now, in the case that this did happen, they would have probably begun on Bimini, landed there first, and settled there, building their way to Atlantis with their technology. If Atlantis wasn't already an existing structure, they could settle here, have just a con. We know they did this before because of Mananaan. They had settlements on Ireland. While they did what? They built the island, they worked on the island. They kept coming back and forward from Ireland to this island in order to study the things on it.

Cristina: Okay, so it could be a similar situation.

Jack: It could be a similar situation. They did something like this before, and so they didn't need to leave any thing there. They just needed to be there while they built Atlantis. Okay, and what we see is literally just a path of moving construction material.

Cristina: Yes, that makes sense.

Jack: Even if it's underwater, if you have a rover that's carrying it all, well, you don't want this rover all lumpy underwater, going up and down hills. You pave the road underwater leading to where you're building, and that will allow you to do that even if your tech can handle it. You want to efficientize your process, especially if you're trying to hide.

Cristina: But they're building underwater.

Jack: The idea would be they're building Atlantis underwater. This would only been 2,000 years ago. This isn't 20,000 years ago.

Cristina: Okay, okay. Crazy. All right.

Jack: Yeah. This is. They left because of whatever thing happened 2000 years ago around the time of Jesus. And as a result, they decided to. They first landed at this island and then started building Atlantis, which is why we hear about Atlantis. Most of these explanations are why do we hear about Atlantis and not. Not anything else.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so that's a good way to explain it.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay, that's fine.

Jack: You know, perfectly logical. If these two groups did divide and they didn't do it this way, maybe they'd already been working on Atlantis, but they needed a way to reach people other than teleportation. Purely. And the reason we find no technology would be because of an agreement between both sides. The technology is required to sustain Atlantis. And the group of people that settled on the Bimini Islands would be the gatekeepers. They know how to reach the island. They know how to reach Atlantis. For those who don't know or are too far to reach one of the mountains. Okay, they can Guide you there to Atlantis. They know where exactly? They know how to navigate into Bermuda. They know how to do all that stuff and then get you to Atlantis. So they don't need any technology. They lived like primitive people, intentionally so that there would be no technology. So there's no signature that somebody could track them through.

Cristina: That's pretty crazy though. I don't know.

Jack: Break off into two groups. One goes into Atlantis, the other one stays on the islands. People who can determine these people aren't primitive, they're pretending to be.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Would then know to ask them to get to Atlantis. And they would know because they're pretending to be primitive.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's part of the deal. You guys settle up here, we'll settle down there. Just a few of you will be the guides. Gatekeepers. Preventing people from getting to us, but showing those who manner how to get to us.

Cristina: Interesting. That's a. Interesting idea. I don't know. Different.

Jack: Yeah, it's a definitely different. It's, you know, but again an explanation. And the Bimini road would have been originally a construction path. And before most people had the ability to go deep into the water and follow the road, maybe they at least knew under the water where is the rover that they could dig up and drive somebody.

Cristina: Okay. It does feel like those that it is a construction path and not an actual normal path of just straight to it.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, it's. Yeah, that definitely might be the most possible. Yeah. So this would be very likely if they did split off into two groups. And one would be the protective primitive seeming group that works as the gatekeepers. And the technology would have all been in Atlantis.

Cristina: But would they have eventually gone into Atlantis as well?

Jack: Yes, presumably eventually when it became too dangerous, they would have either died out on top of or gone home to just leave no trace of their existence ever again. That would be the logical conclusion here.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Possibility. And that would be option three. Okay, so so far we have one giant landmass. It was either a country or a continent. And they were either the major location. It was a New York, New York situation. A popular, militarized, most densely populated, most technologically advanced. For some reason, hearing about Atlantis is because Atlantis was more important than the rest of the overwater landmass.

Cristina: Yes. And it's slowly underwater.

Jack: Yes. The other is they settled at the bottom. That died out. There's no such thing as Atlantis. If there was, it was just the first thing mentioned. And as it broke off into smaller islands, as the water level rise, the concept of the continent of Atlantis dissolves. And just these islands remain.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Then we have this group breaking off into two. One, protecting, which again, falls with the narrative of they still communicate with people. They still showed up and communicated with the Greek. Terrorized some individuals here and there as well. Only experimented on humans left and right, I guess. But they were still around. And they had mountain peaks to reach people. Maybe physical ways to get to them as well. Maybe it wasn't all transportation. Maybe it was if you can find these people, you can get there. If you don't know where the mountains.

Cristina: Are, yeah, they'll tell you. I do like that. I also like the first one, but. Okay.

Jack: And then along the lines of this narrative we've uncovered, with all the other people's stories lining up, this is one possibility. This has them going west very different than the ones who went north and the ones that stopped in Gaza. But it lines up with that narrative. They went west, and this is the area they would have gone to. And this makes sense as a move to protect themselves. All of the above fits with this, minus the existence of Bimini. Again, it could have been a construction road. It could be a literal path down there. The third, the fourth one is the alternate migration pattern. So the idea here is first they migrated to Bimini. Maybe it was more important to get the f*** out of the Persian Gulf oasis. And who cares where. This lines up with the fact that they did break off into three groups initially.

Cristina: Okay. You know, and they ended up in Benimini.

Jack: Yeah, they just got the f*** out of the Persian Gulf oasis. Some went north somewhere in the Gaza, some crossed the ocean. Everybody was just getting the f*** out of the Persian Gulf oasis by any means necessary. And maybe that took priority.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And once they landed there, they could again establish developing technologies over time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Allowing them to explore deeper into the ocean, eventually settling Atlantis. So Atlantis would have come later. They landed at Bimini and worked to get to Atlantis.

Cristina: That's the hardest one to believe. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. But this one lines up again with the. It being a construction path. While option three suggests they broke off evenly, this is the option that suggests it is a construction road. And it was entirely not a connecting point, but rather. And I mean, not, not, not a connecting point, but it wasn't designed just to be. Travel back and forth or take people from one side to the other. It was entirely, let's take resources down there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To build where we're gonna live. And this did. The panic with which they evacuated, the entire Persian Gulf oasis would align with this. Settle wherever we can, and then we'll find something. But we have to leave.

Cristina: But they get there when it's already underwater.

Jack: What do you mean when it's already underwater?

Cristina: Like when they go to be. Meaning there's. It's an island.

Jack: It's an island. 2000 years ago, everything is just islands. Only 20000 years ago was it one landmass. Okay, this is 2000 years ago when they left Jesus's birth area. Yeah, these are islands. Now these have been islands for about 10,000 years. Okay, so yes, everything was an island. The scenario which is a continent, would require this to have happened 20,000 years ago. Those were the first two, these are the second two. These are happening only 2,000 years ago. All of these places are islands. Like I said 20,000 years ago the sea levels were 400ft lower. Yeah, 2,000 years ago it was only about a foot lower. Okay, so it was islands. And again, this does perfectly line up with a desperate escape. You know, get somewhere safe first.

Cristina: Yeah, and it makes them sound extremely advanced. If it only took them 2000 years to make that Atlantic City underwater instead of Atlantis. Yeah, Atlantis underwater, it would have taken.

Jack: Them way less 2000 years. Would have assumed they finished it like among the last couple of years.

Cristina: Yeah, that's ridiculous. Advancement like that's too advanced. But I don't know, like they are supposed to be advanced, but that's kind of crazy.

Jack: No, it didn't take them 2,000 years to do it.

Cristina: If they got there 2,000 years ago.

Jack: If it took them two. If they got there 2000 years ago and it took them 2000 years to do it, they would have done it within our parents lifetime. That's when they would have finished Atlantis.

Cristina: But no, I guess not. But like they. How long do you think it took them after?

Jack: Well, the argument here would be that it was under a hundred years.

Cristina: 100 years.

Jack: That's still so along the time we start seeing the Knights Templar would have been when they were now no longer worried about building.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it becomes about fixing the narrative to protect themselves. Yes, now hiding is no longer the issue. Hiding the data is.

Cristina: Yeah, but they're so advanced they made something underwater in 200 years.

Jack: Well, based on what they already had under the water into Persian. Keep in mind this is following the narrative of the data that the people are telling us were already super crazy. Hyper advanced. Yeah, it would have taken them no time to do what they already had. They just didn't do it overground. They did what they already had in the Persian Gulf oasis, which was underwater already. And so it was much easier once you have the technology, even if they didn't take the tech, they know how to do it. And even if they didn't take the tech, maybe they left the way in and out of the Persian Gulf oasis that allowed them to take the technology to the Bimini Islands. And then without taking a portal straight to Atlantis, they then have a road to deliver the things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Thus keeping them safe. And nobody who lands on these islands would know. And then they just destroy the portal they were bringing the things through.

Cristina: Okay, so there are ways.

Jack: Yeah, they could have brought a lot of things out of the Persian Gulf oasis from inside their home in the palace of Alcaraz and just kept bringing things out regularly and using this technology to build more technology. All they needed initially was the bubble that would protect where they'd build the city. Once that's dry, everything else is easy.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Once it's dry, you're good. So you create the force field underwater, establish drain all the water out of it, and then you're good.

Cristina: And they did it before because they were already living underwater.

Jack: They were already living underwater. We don't know how they built that. No idea how they built the palace of Alcaraz. That's crazy. But it was there. On the flip side, if that was built by Yahweh 20,000 years ago, then maybe that was also above ground.

Cristina: That could be. I don't know. Because we know it makes more sense if these things are above ground and then they protected it going under.

Jack: So the possibility would be a combination of 1 and 4. 20,000 years ago, Yahweh was around. We just don't know anything about him. And also, water level was 400ft lower. The entire Persian Gulf oasis was above ground. The Alicians could have settled there. They could have also created Atlantis at that point.

Cristina: Yeah, that seems most likely.

Jack: MANANAN was about 7,000 years back, so at least that far back we had different settlements.

Cristina: Yeah, it's hard to imagine that they just had one.

Jack: With the size and technologies they had, they must have been. And we know 200,000 years ago, we're dealing with LOI up to 3 million years ago, we're dealing with at least an individual called Eloi, which could have been several different people. And if it's several different people, which is the most likely possibility, unless these beings aren't purely human or aren't human but humanoid.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Live exceptionally long, we would. We would assume it's different people.

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: And Loi is a title and that's why Yahweh went by Loi at some point. And that's why Jehovah gets confused for Loi, because they all received that title.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And if that's the case, and this is a 3 million year old civilization, they would have had to had settlements.

Cristina: Yes. It makes no sense that they just have one city and then that went down and then they have a second city and that's the whole history.

Jack: Well, no, after that first city, when goes down, they would have three. We just.

Cristina: Oh yeah, plus those other two.

Jack: One of them got enslaved, presumably by the shadow people, which is where Gaza landed. The other one disappeared somewhere up north, likely just merging in with their people over there into the invisible island. And the ones that went west. But there would have had to be more. They only just abandoned the Persian Gulf oasis, which might have been the capital city to these people. The most important location, kind of akin to what Israel is to the Jews. It's the middle point of wherever Jews are anywhere on earth, Israel is the middle point to them. Israel is the important location. So if we think of it that way, the Persian Gulf oasis might have just been the point. It was the center. Regardless of where all the settlements are, your governing body is in the Persian.

Cristina: Gulf oasis because that's where they're trading with everyone anyway.

Jack: Yes, well, they're not trading from trading.

Cristina: But yeah, but it's easy to travel from there to the other countries.

Jack: So either that's the main governing body or just a really great point to connect to everybody else. That's also likely where most of their scientific advancements happen. If it was at that point the most advanced city they had, or maybe it was always Atlantis and as the water levels rose, we just 20,000 years lost a lot of information.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we're just more familiar with the Persian Gulf oasis. But maybe Atlantis was there the whole time.

Cristina: It could happen. It really could have been.

Jack: Yeah, you really could have been. So it's possible that it's a merge of for N1 and yes, all of this was above ground and they didn't have to migrate because they had such great technology. They're like, no, this is even better for us. If we put these things in place. As everything gets swallowed up, we'll just be secretive by default.

Cristina: Okay. And you said that's how many years ago?

Jack: 20,000 years ago is when the water level was 400ft lower and the evacuation from the Persian Gulf Oasis happened 2,000 years ago.

Cristina: And that other place in India when did that go Underwater?

Jack: Dwarka was 9,000 years ago.

Cristina: 9,000, okay.

Jack: Dwarka was 2,000 years before Mananan settled in Ireland.

Cristina: But Dwarka is unrelated. It's so crazy.

Jack: Dwarka isn't related. Dwarka is on the old equator. So it could be one of the other civilizations.

Cristina: Now we gotta re. Investigate those other civilizations.

Jack: Yeah, basically, it's a lot of revisiting things and looking at it differently.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So with this information, it's absolutely possible that there are a ton of Elysian settlements. And that's the. The fact that a lot of the Middle east and Eastern Europe all have the same argument of the sea people are pirates and terrorists and whatever and this and that. This giant, unfathomable technologically advanced force maybe with several individuals from the same groups. We know that there are the main figureheads. But obviously like when current civilization collapses, we're not going to remember Bob from down the street. The names that are going to echo through time are Steve Jobs, President Barack Obama. You know, those names are going to sustain as the elites that mattered. And everybody else is going to.

Cristina: We don't know any normal elation. We don't know.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. Everybody had significant importance and that's why they were recorded over and over and over and over to the point that we hear about them even now, thousands of years later. That's why they were recorded under the Sphinx and under the Castillo.

Cristina: Interesting. Yeah. Except for that random lawyer. I don't know how his story was recorded, except that his sister ended up becoming important.

Jack: Yes. So I think it's more about her story that we found out about his.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: He was just somebody important in her life. And him. Yeah, it's really her story because him introducing her to the Shadow Realm is what allowed her to meet Ixshaw.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then Inan and Ixshaw swap places. So it's really. His story was just about introducing her to the right circumstances.

Cristina: Okay, so not even he's random.

Jack: Okay, not even his random. Interesting. Right. With this data, we have the possibility of multiple settlements. We know that there is something sketchy about Yahweh and why we can't find his information. Maybe he is and has been the person who's in charge of Atlantis the way that Jehovah was in charge of the Persian Gulf oasis. That's another way to look at it. He could have been the president. He could have been the mayor. He could have been whatever. Of Atlantis.

Cristina: Yes, Leader.

Jack: Yeah, the leader. There you go. The leader of Atlantis and Jehovah. His son was the leader of the Persian. Which also kind of leans into the kings and queen scenario, that your descendants are the ones who will be in charge.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. They could have had something like that there.

Jack: We know they had crowns. We know they had thrones. We know they had a lot of symbolism. They had religion. They were also Rhoastrian.

Cristina: What's that?

Jack: A religion?

Cristina: What's it called again?

Jack: Zoroastrian. Oh, Zoroastrianism predates Islam.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And so, like the guy who discovered the magnum opus, he was a Zoroastrian, a Greek Zoroastrian. And. Yeah. So this suggests that there are many settlements. We know of a couple of them, but it suggests not settlements, but rather the Persian Gulf oasis wasn't the only actual established city. And the invisible island wasn't either. It would also be Atlantis, most likely. And this lines up with the narrative that's provided to us by the other civilizations that have records that survived.

Cristina: Yes. So they're everywhere. Probably. I mean, there's probably more that we don't know about.

Jack: There's probably more that we don't know about. And it's possible Jesus knew about a lot of these places too. We don't understand what the point of going straight to Japan was. But maybe there were settlements along the way. Maybe he was in contact with the Elysians. I don't know.

Cristina: It's hard to tell. I don't know. Because he went through China. He went. He went all over the world. I don't know.

Jack: Well, at least east.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's very confusing. But that being said, it doesn't look like the Elysians went anywhere east. It looks like the most eastern location they had was the Persian Gulf voices. It looks like they purely went west while Jesus purely went east.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Opposite directions.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Kind of hard, too.

Cristina: Was that on purpose? I don't know.

Jack: Jesus definite maybe Jesus did do it on purpose. Jesus might have gone the opposite direction where he knows there aren't elisions.

Cristina: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay. I think that too, because of the whole handwriting thing. Like he was trying to keep himself, even though they can dream about him, at least when he was born.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: We don't know if they continue dreaming about him, because that'd be crazy. They can just watch his every move or whatever. But.

Jack: Yeah, well, no, I think that stopped. Like he learned to control that or whatnot.

Cristina: Yeah. But yeah, I think he wanted to hide himself from them too.

Jack: Well, actually, according to all the texts, it only happened that his birth, like a Giant mental shock wave sent through time. At his birth, it hit forward and it hit back, but only of that moment. So that everybody knew where they were. No, it was actually not even his birth. It was his conception.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Yeah. At his conception, a mental wave shot across the earth, a psychic wave. And everybody had visions of him in the future, of him staying there and in the future and in the past. So they, in the future, in the past, all saw the his life there. So they moved and casted him so he wouldn't have a life near them.

Cristina: And he stayed away from them.

Jack: And he stayed away. He went farther away from them. They went west. They went north and west, spreading out in every direction. He went east, away from all their settlements. Their narratives are trying to suppress his existence, his honest existence.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Fascinating.

Cristina: Yes. Because he doesn't want to do anything with them either. Or at least it doesn't seem.

Jack: At least it doesn't seem that way. Interesting though. So the possibility that Atlantis does in fact exist and is where Yahweh has been and that it's on a continent. It had a former continent.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that if the water. So it would be everything, all of the above. Right. It would be. They got there, it was a single continent. This was the most important location or the most advanced. It was led by Yahweh, most likely. As the world water level started to rise, they were the only ones not to migrate away. They put technology that allows them to cover themselves. As the water level rises, the city most likely sinks even deeper because of tectonic plate movement. 20,000 years, they could just disappear under not just the water, but under the ground, underneath the water, which would even support crap like hollow earth. Like maybe that's just them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And they're even covered by dirt, so it's not just water.

Cristina: Okay. So you can never find them.

Jack: You can never find them. And only they know the ways in and out. And so that means that. Yes, single continent. Yes, they were the most important place there. Yes, there were people on what's the islands of today. Most likely they had individuals of their own on these islands, living amongst the other people. But eventually they even evacuated that and the Persian Gulf oasis people had a location to go to after they left that spot. Yes, left the spot. One of the three groups, the ones that went north, also had settlements to go to. The real question becomes what happened to the ones that went to Gaza. We know that all other cultures describe not the current day Jews, but the Jews of that time were being described as shadow people from the Other side. So the argument would be, were they cut off by these people and they landed there and were trapped.

Cristina: And it somehow has to do with stones or something.

Jack: Yes. The possibility of preserving these people for the time when they figure out how to make philosopher's stones again. Which could be today, it could be what's happening now. Except all they need is the DNA. So these people are now mixed with human, but they still have the DNA. And the shadow people are either indistinguishable from human, or these are descendants of the ones that went through the process to be humanoid, like Lucifer. And so they're also indistinguishable from humans. It's two groups of people who are indistinguishable from humans. But we can track a genetic marker that's non existent anywhere else in the people of Gaza. And we know factually that the country of Israel just happened right after World War II. That didn't exist prior to that. Okay, so two groups of people who shouldn't even exist. Both do in the same region, and one is attacking the other. Neither should exist. Both attacking each other. Well, one attacking the other.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In what seems to be the plan originally to create philosopher's stones, you would need to make the best philosopher's stones by killing people with the Elysian blood.

Cristina: Whose plan, though?

Jack: And it's a long plan too. Yes, we're talking long game.

Cristina: Because of course, it can't be the Alicians. They wouldn't. I mean, I don't maybe. I don't know. I don't think so.

Jack: I don't think so either. I think it wasn't avoiding Jesus. I think people knowing where they're hidden place. If this happened 20,000 years ago and this was overground, and that was overground. And then they let themselves be consumed by water because they had the technology and the infrastructure to support themselves. Then secrecy became part of their lifestyle. Then this psychic wave goes in every direction and people know where you are now. And then we see what's happening today. And the fact that when that migration happened, one of the three groups got cut off and forced into this little spot. Okay, Maybe the Alicians were avoiding something more dangerous that also received the psychic wave that told them where they were.

Cristina: I wonder. Okay.

Jack: Need a leash and blood to make the best stone.

Cristina: I don't know. Who could it be? Because you only think of the Alicians as a top.

Jack: Yeah, I mean, we obviously don't know. It's not like we're gonna sit here and just come up with an answer. But. But they seem to have also avoided something that they lasted longer than everybody else avoiding. That is the last mass evacuation we know about. The Alicians. They stood their ground longer than everybody else until Jesus was born and a mental shockwave went out.

Cristina: Yes, it could be shadow people, but I don't think so.

Jack: Why would the Shadow people be stronger than the Alicians? That's the problem. Bare minimum they would be equal. And there's way more Elysians.

Cristina: Okay, what about rogue Nagas? Is that something to fear?

Jack: There are rogue Naga but I don't know why they would need anything from the Elysian. They would be more overpowered by the fault. I think they're more akin to like angels protecting the gods of destruction in Dragon Ball. You know, like obviously way stronger than the God of destruction and your job is just to assist them. Them Naga seemed to be that infinite intelligence. They can bend space itself. They just do whatever the you want though. They don't back talk or I'm just like okay, sure.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: So it wouldn't look like they would need any of that. And if they needed to find you, they probably easily could without needing that shockwave to go out.

Cristina: Okay, yeah.

Jack: So there's something else. But that even the Elysians needed to leave once it knew where they were but what that would be. So yeah, this is basically what we got. This set of information that enlightens us into this migration and what could and what it could mean. The possibility that Atlantis has always been around is there now.

Cristina: Makes sense.

Jack: Makes sense.

Cristina: Makes sense.

Jack: At least through all the data we've looked at. And it would explain where Yahweh was then that it was impossible to find anything on the guy. We find things about people before him, we find things about people after him. And his only mentions are casually through those but never about him directly.

Cristina: He's underwater.

Jack: He could just be in this city that's buried and invisible to the rest of us. President, Leader, Leader.

Cristina: His best leader.

Jack: Way to zone in on that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it kind of leans into the royalty aspect of if you're here and you sent your son to go rule over there. There's this aspect of you your descendants are naturally the people in charge.

Cristina: I think so. The kings. Yep.

Jack: Yep. Anywho. So that's what we got. That's where we are. So if you guys have any idea about any additional bits, tidbits of information, anything you might find relative. Were talking about. What seems more plausible out of these options. What seems less likely based on everything we already know. You could, you know, hit us up on our socials and let us know at just convopod that's on X, on Facebook, on Instagram, on TikTok, wherever.

Cristina: Yes, I really think the big island thing makes more sense than they just quickly made something in their water.

Jack: But yes, I do agree. I think that it's a combination of all these things and were over water to begin with.

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September 21, 2024

Rambling 290: Connecting the Dots Part 2

September 21, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Is there anything the duo missed? What could it be? What’s hidden within the research that hasn’t yet been spotted? The duo deep dive into a conversation attempting to connect any dots missed and in search of any information overlooked that might have been significant. What they discover changes everything they know with answers that have been right under their noses all along!

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Elysians
Greek Gods
Ancient Experiments
Shadow Realm
Jinn
Lucifer and Samael
Shinto Gates

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May 25, 2024

Rambling 275: Nazi Israel's Genocide of Palestine

May 25, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

If no one agrees with the actions of Israel, why haven’t governments picked up arms to protect the lives of the innocent? Why is Egypt not stepping in by force to protect Palestinians forcing Israel to withdraw or accidentally attack Egyptians providing aid? Why has Gaza always been under the leadership of foreign governments and powers? The duo unpack one of the greatest mysteries on Earth and discover it connects directly into current world events. This is the story of how the the Nazi Israel State’s Genocide of Palestine and Gaza connects directly into the ancient history of the Elysians and the World War that took place at the birth of Jesus Christ.

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What is Gaza?
The Mass Migration to Gaza
World War 0
Elysian Genetics
Who is the Bad Guy?
The Conclusion of the Elysian Saga

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May 11, 2024

Rambling 273: Looking for Questions

May 11, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

With so many doors left to open, what is left to discover? The duo continue their unhinged speculation on the existing information with hopes of opening even more doors to continue investigation through. And like last time, the doors want to be opened!!

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Elysians
Jesus Christ
Yaldabaoth
Necromancers
Elves
Hermes
Merlin
Queen Mab

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May 04, 2024

Rambling 272: Where To Go From Here

May 04, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

What is the ultimate goal of the Necromancers, of the Research Groups and their Experiments? What is the purpose of their actions? Who is the good guy and the bad guy in the story? The duo take a different approach to the Data relative to the Elysians, Necromancers, everything surrounding them and more in an attempt to find a cohesive direction to go. In this episode, the duo attempt to zero in on what they should be looking for!

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Philosopher Stones
The Teachings of Hermes
Elysians (Atlanteans)
The Three Realms
Creating New Realms
Becoming A God
The Universal Arrow

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February 24, 2024

Rambling 263: Christ's Goal

February 24, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Why did Jesus want followers? What was the point of his teachings? Do we know where he went? The duo unpack the first layer of Jesus’ intentions, focusing primarily on motive, teachings and plan. A discussion that reveals much more than the duo anticipated!

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Jesus Christ
Lessons and Teachings
Possible Aliases
Intentions
Contradictions and Explanation
Beginning and Ending

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February 17, 2024

Rambling 262: Baigong Pipes

February 17, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

What do the 150,000 year old Baigong Pipes tell us about the technology of the time? Where do the pipes come from and where do they go? What civilization ultimately developed this? The duo dive deeper into the Baigong Pipes in their attempt to connect it back to the elusive Eloai who was known to be around in that period.

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Ancient Technology
White Mountain
Strange Cave Systems
Lake Toson
Pipes to the West

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December 30, 2023

Rambling 256: As It Stands 2

December 30, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

What have we discovered as of late? How does it help us understand the true power of the Elysians and the scale of Elfame? And how do we fit into this bigger picture? The duo do a catchup summary to catch people up on how things stand as of now with our years of research.

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Elysians
Naga
Garden of Eden
Shadow Gods
Nephilim
Magic Weapons
Necromancy
Refuge Cities
Philosopher’s Stones

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December 16, 2023

Rambling 254: Necromancy

December 16, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Why were sorcerers interested in figures like Jesus Christ and King Arthur? Why are figures like Jesus Christ and King Arthur interested in sorcerers? And why is everyone else scrambling to come face to face with them? The duo deep dive into Sorcerers, but more specifically Necromancy.

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Ancient Technology
Portals
Controlling Shadow Energy
Remote Controlled Devices
Astral Magic

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December 09, 2023

Rambling 253: Nephilim

December 09, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Why were out-breeding illegal to the Elysians? Why did it take so long for the Nephilim to appear in the records? What can any of this tell us about the bigger picture? The duo finally dive into the long awaited Nephilim. This Ambiguous third race of Earth.

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The Nephilim
Elysians
Azazel
Giants
St. Arnold
Norwegian Northern Islands

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October 21, 2023

Rambling 248: The Garden of Eden

October 21, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Who were those closest to Jehovah? How did all these individuals live so long? Which experiments did they conduct? The duo finally deep dive into the research team ‘Garden of Eden’ in order to better understand its members and the core principle of their research and longevity. Although a difficult research project, the fruits of the labor payoff because of a simple revelation made which ultimately answers one big question and asks ten more!

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Anthroposophy
Jehovah
Nahas
The Real Age of Lilith
Lucifer
Creating Physical Bodies
Highest Garden Clearance
Curing Death
The Messenger
Artificial Naga

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