Grey Thoughts

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas as you usually do.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. It's very fun to do.

Jack: Very fun to ground baffling ideas.

Cristina: Yes. Yes.

Jack: Yeah. So today I would like us to kind of just jump back and forth discussing the details that we've recently come across that have less to do with the Elysians and more to do with Clinton Road, its surrounding environment, and the details we found out that work as crossing lines between these two ongoing, infinite topics. Although Clinton Road itself isn't a giant ongoing topic, as opposed to the individual facets of it, we find that connect to other bigger, wide pictures. Although there is a huge Clinton Road picture.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Also, apparently I don't take enough pauses when I talk.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, so it goes as follows. A person can process when you pause the talk. So if I say I'm a very quick speaker, I toss a bunch of information, but it starts to jumble and get muddy and jumble and get muddy as more things start to fall. Because people don't normally think at the pace that I'm communicating.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: People tend to think at a slower pace. So I gotta throw a couple of things and then take a pause.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's a moment for them to kind of consider. Look at it like this. Now, I could explain to you that the Elysians and the Greek are both related as well as the Mayans and the Egyptians in some kind of larger scale group of people who are always doing experiments. This takes place roughly around the first century and before going back, including all these individuals about 12,000 years backwards. And then if we just remove all the other groups and leave only the Elysians, go back about a hundred thousand to two hundred thousand years and then focus entirely only on the grandfather of Jehovah going back up to 3 million years. All of these people can collectively reinforce the same ideas. And we can go even further back if we go into the shadow realm that happened long before this point. All of this information summed and thrown at a person is a lot to deal with. Now, if I were to tell you that the Elysians were the direct rivals of the Greek and take a pause. Now you're like, okay, I got the picture.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: With them, were working with the Elysians, specifically were working the Egyptians and the Mayan and Together, they were kind of working into a bigger picture that involved killing any kind of starvation that could possibly happen. Usually. Focus with the Mayans that were dealing with crops and advanced botanics, as well as they were dealing with portals and things of that nature. And the Egyptians, who were working on immense energy storage and immense energy collection. Pauses between these points allows a little more processing, a little more thinking about what I said.

Cristina: Because the Greeks, though, even though the people were not really working with anyone, you don't think the scientist part. The gods weren't working with the Greeks.

Jack: And I mean, it was literally the.

Cristina: Greeks with the Mayans and the Egyptians.

Jack: Well, what we know is literally they couldn't access the technologies that the other guys had. So they're working with them and what. Not getting any benefit from the interaction.

Cristina: Because they were still able. They were not involved in that whole.

Jack: Not a single stone.

Cristina: Not the stone.

Jack: Well, that would be what everybody was.

Cristina: Striving for, those trips to the mountains. What was that about?

Jack: To communicate. Oh, they were dealing. That wasn't with the Egyptians or the Mayan. That was specifically with the Alicians.

Cristina: Okay. The Greeks and them.

Jack: Yeah, it was the.

Cristina: They weren't getting technology from that.

Jack: It was trade, but not. And, yeah, I believe it. I believe this was the science. So it was like the Greek gods who were doing this.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Working with the Egyptian, the Elysian.

Cristina: Yeah. So they were probably getting something.

Jack: Trade. It was trade through necessity.

Cristina: Yes, but info science.

Jack: Except we don't have any. Any basis to claim that the Greek.

Cristina: Got anything, because their things are pretty secretive. I don't know. Every story we have of them is just what people imagine was happening. And then we find out through putting it together, it was something. A whole different situation.

Jack: Who, the Greek?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Well, some of the things. Some of the things are just flat out written.

Cristina: Some of them. Well, I guess a lot of them feel like it's not telling us the.

Jack: Actual story in some cases, like when we think about the Minotaur and the Tora Boban.

Cristina: But the most recent stories. Yes.

Jack: Yeah, but then we're still talking about human sacrifice as opposed to. We're talking about blood. We're talking about sacrificing, we're talking about opening rifts through these methods as opposed to, oh, I have a stone or I know a guy who can break the laws of physics. It's kind of different. It feels different, at least.

Cristina: Yeah, the Mayans feel different from the Egyptians and they were using the same.

Jack: Technology because they were literally sharing technology.

Cristina: But they felt different from each Other.

Jack: Yes. While the Greek have zero example of using the same technology. That is my point. My point is literally what you just said.

Cristina: Which is what?

Jack: The Mayan seem different than the Egyptians.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But are using the same technology.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The Greek seemed different than the Egyptians, the Mayans, and the Elysians, and had none of the same technologies.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: A perfect example being the Toro Boban and the Minotaur.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There is no example of somebody using mixing of different chimeras. And there is no example of any of these groups relying purely on adrenochrome variations in order to accomplish these things. They all had access to some way to bypass the need for adrenochrome. In fact, they were quite exclusively trying to avoid using adrenochrome. They would sooner abolish the existence of an entire people through genocide in order to make a stone. So they themselves wouldn't be subject to adrenochrome, but they wouldn't share that with the. With the Greek that seemed obligated to use adrenoco. Alternatively, let's play devil's advocate and go with what you're saying. Let me stop being the no. The no. And. And let me start being the yes and. Right.

Jack: Let's. Let's get the ball rolling with a yes. And let me be less negative. Let's assume they are, in fact working together. Then that means the Greek didn't give a. And still used adrenochrome despite all the other. It would make no sense on paper if you got something a thousand, billion, trillion times stronger than any form of adrenochrome. But. Okay, so you guys are idiots. You want to both use the adrenochrome and the stone. So you're like, it, I'll get addicted?

Cristina: Well, we don't know. Were they using.

Jack: Yes. They had literal ambrosia. That's where we found it through. They had ichor, which is where we found it through. And they had is ichor. Ambrosia and nectar. That's all Greek. They were the ones who figured these things out by distilling through their own bodies.

Cristina: You're saying the Mayans and the Egyptians had none of that going on?

Jack: Nope. They had the flower one. They had the fruits. They had the stones. They had every other method that prevented them from getting addicted. Okay, and the Greek had nothing but drowning in addiction. They had all of this s***. They're like, yes, more of it. Okay, but then our assumption would be that they had access to all these other methods and still recklessly got addicted to all this that's where we're standing. If they did in fact share these sciences, that means knowing they were all going to be fiends for the rest of infinity and knowing that with the stones.

Cristina: And what if they volunteered to test it out? No, they would have already known. The sea people. I mean, like.

Jack: Yeah, they way before long, long, long beforehand. They only went on the quest to find these things and recreate them because they had the data that proved it ex from people long before them.

Cristina: The times. It makes it very confusing.

Jack: Yeah. Because we think about Jehovah and his group of people starting about 12,000 BC.

Cristina: Ridiculous.

Jack: But that has nothing to do with the amount of data and hardcore research that existed and was passed down for 1000-001500-00200, 303 million years.

Cristina: How are you supposed to. That's a lot of time.

Jack: That's a lot of time. All passed by people from beforehand. And we still have no, and I've looked. We still have no idea how Lilith connects through such different gaps in time. She's. Shadow people live weird, man. Yes, that's some other crap. And we know this because as a shadow person, Yaldabaoth. Also like how you connect with these people through giant gaps in time.

Cristina: And shadow people are in all these groups?

Jack: Yes. It seems that every single group, without exception, except the Greek. It's unsure.

Cristina: It's unsure.

Jack: They have Naga. But I don't know if they've got shadow people. I don't quite remember.

Cristina: I can't quite remember either. There might be like one character that might be questionable.

Jack: It could be the case. There could be. But if they were, it was insignificant enough. Yeah, like they wouldn't stand out to the point that we would just memorize. Because I know Kido. Kido out here making experiments, trying to recreate Naga. That stands out off the top of my head. You know, I know that there is a plethora of different creatures they interacted with a thousand billion trillion times, but I can't actually pinpoint or think of an instance in which the Greek had specifically a shadow person.

Cristina: No, but we know they were going to the Shadow realm.

Jack: Yes, yes, we know that they definitely figured ways out. They had gates and they were. Man, they would have to have had a shadow person that was just useless or something. Right.

Cristina: But then how would they have made the gate in the first place?

Jack: They don't need a shadow person to make a gate.

Cristina: How would they know about the Shadow realm?

Jack: Just the same way a bunch of other people do. They do weird things.

Cristina: I Don't know. That's very weird.

Jack: I'm sure they would still know. You're assuming a weird level of ignorance here. You're assuming that they're aware of things that they're not aware, that they simply. Like what then? What's your competition? You believe you've already figured it out. There's nothing for you to figure out if you believe you're the top because you just don't know what they're doing. You must have known or caught whiff of something in order to experiment in that direction. Otherwise your stories wouldn't claim that the Aletians are anything. You already believe you're the best. Okay, you get my point. You would already believe you're the best.

Cristina: Okay, that makes sense.

Jack: Presumably, so I don't know. If there is a shadow person, it's in somebody irrelevant. Somebody in the background.

Cristina: Yes. But they do have a gate, and.

Jack: They have a what?

Cristina: That they do have a gate to the shadow realm. That seems like the thing that all three of them have in common. Then.

Jack: Which was their gate? I don't even remember their gate in the maze. Oh, crap. Yeah. We just talked about their maze. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're totally right.

Cristina: They have one for sure.

Jack: But. Yeah, for bare minimum, there is one. But if you think of that narrative, it doesn't include anything. It just really has these Chimera. It has Poseidon, who's just a Greek guy.

Cristina: He's the one making the.

Jack: Yeah, he's the one who made. He didn't make the maze, but he made the creatures that guard it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And the guy who made the maze is just one of the gods as well. Like, none of these people are.

Cristina: There must be a reason. I don't know.

Jack: I mean, obviously there must be a reason.

Cristina: What do they get? Do they cross? I mean, they don't cross, but, like, who's crossing to visit them? What are they doing with those people?

Jack: That is the question. Right. I couldn't find anything on that while looking at that, because I'm like, you clearly have a gay. And, you know, deep dive into find anything.

Cristina: And we know it's the entrance, and then we know the mentor is leading them to the group or at.

Jack: Out of the maze.

Cristina: Out of the maze to the group.

Jack: Out of the maze. Never said to the group, okay, out of the maze. They're being led out of the maze. I don't know who's greeting them at the other end, or if it's just like, hey, you're free. Go do what you gotta do for.

Cristina: Them just to, like. I don't know. Because we know there's a group of scientists in the Shadow Realm that don't communicate with anyone, or at least the other ones. If they're not communicating with them, then maybe.

Jack: That's fascinating. The group that Lucifer and Lilith went and made the Shadow Gods. You're totally correct. You're really right. Okay, hold on. Let me go look at the Shadow Gods real quick, because there's a bunch of individuals. We got Lilith, we got Samael, which was the physical copy that Lucifer embodied.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Samael is also Lilith's hubby. I guess he's in love with her. We got Bow. We got. Yeah, it's a bunch of people, bro. We got. There's a bunch of Shadow Realm individuals from the Shadow Realm. Shadow Realm?

Cristina: Are they just sticking to the Shadow Realm or are they coming over here?

Jack: There's some Elysians, Belial. There's Azazel, the Elysian. There's Abraxas, the Elysian. Interesting. And these people are the rejects. Those that do not want to work with the Mayan, the Elysians, or the Egyptians.

Cristina: But they got my. They have Alicians with them.

Jack: They have Elysians with them. But these are outcasts.

Cristina: Yes. Because, like, how is the Greek gonna touch the other group? It has to be, because they have some help. People can't just be alone.

Jack: You know what? We've never connected this before, but this is legit. They have a gateway. The gateway is heftily protected by overpowered creatures. Things that are monstrously overpowered.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And these creatures are protecting it, guarding the corridors that you'll, in theory, get lost. And if you tried to get to that door, and maybe that door connects direct. Now, there's no way to get information from the Shadow Realm directly. We always have to kind of, like, telephone our way there by this person. And it's from this side or came over here. So we don't really know where the other side of this doorway goes to. No, but in theory, if you're. If your idea holds up, it could just be into the literal lab of the Shadow Gods. Yeah, it could literally be right there. There'd be no way to know.

Cristina: There'd be no way to know. But, like, there's no way the Greeks got this advanced just by themselves. It's. There's no way.

Jack: Well, their sciences are completely different. It would have to have been by themselves. It would have literally had to been by themselves, because their sciences don't reflect any of the other three sciences. Now, we Know that the shadow people. Not shadow people, the shadow group. The shadow gods took a lot of data.

Cristina: Yes. We have no idea what they're working on.

Jack: And we have no idea what they're working on. Exactly. We just know that they took a lot of data. So they at least know. And again, a bunch of them are Elysians, a bunch of them are shadow people. Some of them are earthrealmers that came from. Are they all Elysians? We got one Elysian, which is Samael. Interesting. We have.

Cristina: We have Lucifer that wants to share the tech with anyone. So like it wouldn't. Like he'd be cool with sharing it with the Greeks. He wants to share with everyone.

Jack: But the Greek specifically don't want to share it. They're also a private. Specifically a private elite group who feel better than the commoner. Which would actually. Interesting point that you'd mentioned that. Because that directly violates what Lucifer would want to accomplish. Because Lucifer wants to spread it. Which if we think about backwards initially, who we thought they were maybe communicating with was probably Jesus, because Jesus is about sharing. And the shadow gods would also be about sharing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So that seems like a more likely connection. Except we have no idea what's on the other side of this gate in the labyrinth. And it could totally be the shadow people.

Cristina: There's no stories. Grrr.

Jack: Oh, there is. Abraxas is one of the Egyptians. He is not an Elysian. Oh, so they got somebody. Because he is one of the Egyptians. He has access to the data of massive energy collection and he has data to manage energy storage, which was the Egyptians goal to begin with. And looking to see if there's anybody else here who stands out. Not really. Everybody else is either on it. There's no Mayans in this group, which is very interesting. No Mayans in the shadow gods, but we do have Egyptians and Alicians and shadow shadow people and their djinn collection. Of those three, I don't know. I guess it's possible. It's possible. It's be. I mean, that group in general does not like the other three groups. Yeah, and my enemy's enemy is my ally. Would suggest that the Greek and the shadow gods would work together to accomplish a mutual goal. But maybe. So we know that the Greek interact with the Elysians to a very low degree. According to the texts, they go to the top of the mountain where it's very restricted. The Greek have to choose one individual who's allowed to go to the top.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And communicate with whoever the h*** is showing up up there. For trade of. I don't know what. Presumably information. But I don't understand to what degree, because, again, they don't like each other and they don't tell us. And we know that the Greek do, in fact, indulge in all of the adrenochrome variations. So they don't have access to the stones. On top of the fact that we know they don't have any stones. Mm. So that wasn't shared information. They also don't know about the plants. That's not shared information.

Cristina: No, they don't know a lot. I don't know.

Jack: So maybe they know of all the accomplishments, but not how. It's like, do it your way.

Cristina: Oh, I guess that's something. That's still something.

Jack: That's still something. It's like we accomplished this thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But the problem is they are considered enemies. According to the. Not the Greek, according to the Mayans, according to the Egyptians, which both have giant, massive records depicting the interaction between both of these individuals.

Cristina: They were enemies.

Jack: They were enemies. So this is purely diplomatic. This is not a requirement. This is, in any case, the Elysians being most likely strong armed by the other two assisting groups. And so we gotta have peace. We can't just be monsters out here. So we're gonna have a peace treaty and we don't have to share information. They're still our enemy. But we're not gonna be hostile. We just keep it minimum, keep it diplomatic, nothing more.

Cristina: Yes. I think it's for that mountain. They wanted that mountain as their property. But it's in Greece.

Jack: Right, In Greece. Interesting. Mount Athos and Greece.

Cristina: Why fight about it? Make a little trade.

Jack: Okay, so what you're talking about is an embassy. It's neutral territory from another country because it's theirs.

Cristina: It's on their property, but they still don't own it. But they don't own it.

Jack: Weird, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's on their property, but it's owned by a different group. And the rules establish it. They can't even make it to the top on their own terms. They're like.

Cristina: It's very complicated.

Jack: Yeah. What we used to think was magic is just literally technology dampening fields of some sort that just stop things from working that aren't Elysian tech.

Cristina: The flying horses. Flying.

Jack: Well, unicorn.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Wait, what?

Cristina: No, was it the unicorn? There was a horse that they said would just fly up the mountain.

Jack: The unicorn.

Cristina: Wait, was it a unicorn?

Jack: Yeah, the Mary took up to the top.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah, it was a unicorn, which is an Elysian invention.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: By the way, that's another example of the differences in these technologies and these sciences in which the Elysians can just make a horse that seems to defy the laws of physics. Meanwhile, the Greek had to actively kind of work around that because they couldn't break the laws of physics. So they made a chimera that is a horse and some sort of a bird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Allowing the bird, the horseburg, to flap its way up the Pegasus, that horse.

Cristina: Thing did not survive because they didn't have multiple of any animal. So these experiments were kind of failed experiments. They had to be.

Jack: I mean, they might have had multiple of them. There's a bunch of depictions of the Greek gods on Pegasus flying around and crap.

Cristina: I always see it feels like there's only one in the story. Do you think there's multiple?

Jack: I don't know in what story?

Cristina: In Greek stories, there's only one. Usually. Like the pet of one of them or something.

Jack: No, like Zeus will roll on a Pegasus and so will, like, Poseidon roll on a. Everybody has a Pegasus. I think. Yeah. I think it's easy to make. If anything, it's just not the same as a unicorn. No, this straight up violence. But now, knowing this, we do know that Hermes was in direct connection with Jehovah, which means the Elysians, which explains absolute violation of the laws of physics.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, that does make it make sense. Yeah.

Jack: But that's another thing.

Cristina: How you.

Jack: Why do you need both Hermes and the stones?

Cristina: Well, Hermes needed the stuff.

Jack: I don't know. I guess he does.

Cristina: They do need it. But he made them.

Jack: Yes. He can make the stones in any case. Yeah. He must be teaching them what his grandfather knew, which means Hermes. It's weird because it's also like Hermes interacted with a Yahweh, which we could find nothing on. Found nothing on Yahweh. That guy is secret. He must be so important in some way because he's about as secretive as Hermes. We know so little. He might. There might have been a necromancer in the bloodline, and that's why he's so unheard of, because Hermes was hard to find. We only found shreds by looking for like a year.

Cristina: But we know more about him. We definitely know more about him.

Jack: Yeah, we don't know crap about Yahweh.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Maybe focusing on Yahweh and really granularly picking it apart, we would come across like, oh, yeah, he turns out to have been a necromancer. Even if Jehovah isn't He at least has some of the data. But I guess I would violate the rules of being a necromancer if you just pass it on. Or it wouldn't even matter. If you taught somebody, they wouldn't grasp it. That's the point. Like, you could literally hand it to somebody in its entirety and they still.

Cristina: Be like, what the h***? Gave it out to everyone. We have copies of his work now.

Jack: Yeah, and 100. It was for everyone.

Cristina: No one can decipher it, though.

Jack: You require the teacher.

Cristina: Yeah, that's part of it.

Jack: That is part of it. You gotta seek it, but that's not enough. You gotta seek it, find it, understand it.

Cristina: Yeah, it's like you can read it and it makes sense, but it doesn't make sense the way he understood. He. Yeah.

Jack: And he could just violate the universe in front of you and you would still be like, I don't know how.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's a teach you. Hands on step by inch by inch, centimeter by centimeter.

Cristina: What? I don't know. He's some type of alien. I don't know how he figured it out. If it wasn't through something else, you would think was. He's a C person though, right?

Jack: We'd have unclear. Interesting enough, it looks like he might have been one of the Greek.

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: But even they don't have access to this. So what? Super mega trader. But also, he existed far before even the Greek civilization.

Cristina: But you think he's some type of human?

Jack: I think that's one of the rules. You have to be.

Cristina: Yes, that is one of the rules. But, like, huh? He was one of the original humans.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Huh? No. But didn't they need the stones to make the humans? Unless it wasn't a good stone.

Jack: It wasn't a good stone. Right, because he perfected it with the hermetic seal.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: He perfected it. Hermes perfected the stone, thus being credited with being the creator of the full functioning, overpowered, destroy the laws of physics stone. Now, he already knew how to do it as a necromancer. But with the stone, you could hand somebody who doesn't understand the ability. That's the point of the stone. You hand somebody who doesn't grasp it, somebody who didn't graduate your class, they can still violate with the stone.

Cristina: Okay, that's the point.

Jack: You can either learn it. That's the hard road.

Cristina: Yes. Or you can use the stone. But then why does Jesus need the stones when he has it already? He's got the abilities. He is a Necromancer.

Jack: Yeah, because that was the whole point of him dying. I guess in the case of Jesus, it wasn't that he needs the stones, is that he needed them not to have it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's not about him using it, it's about them not using it.

Cristina: So he's not trying to make anymore, he's just gathering what's he's trying out there stop.

Jack: He's actually doing Jesus stuff. Okay, let's stop death, let's stop evil. Which is literally what he preached. Dude, Jesus on paper kind of turns out to be kind of what? It's hard to say he wasn't who he claims to be and who people say he is. Maybe not the son of God in the way people think. I understand that this guy was just a person of high statue and we literally found out that the word God just translate to person of importance. So interesting that he was just the son of somebody really, really, really important that a lot of civilizations thought was. He was the president of the world, essentially. And that's his son. Yes, something like that. But everything surrounding Jesus and all his aliases and his entire path and the people who saw him and what they talk about him that they preach for infinities, and entire religions and cults that formed around him all said the same thing, we must stop the violence. And we, you know, love each other. And everybody talked about the same thing. And then he. He dies. He could have sent anybody to do this. He dies, goes to the other side, goes find it himself, and then comes back.

Cristina: I guess there's something sketchy about him, but at the same time, he's never done anything wrong. Like, even when he was going to. Through China to get to Japan, he just was giving people inventions. Like, yeah, there's nothing weird.

Jack: Like there's something really absurdly sketchy about him for sure, but.

Cristina: But he's like Roger from Rogers. Mr. Rogers.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, it's weird. Like he seems really out of place and heftily sketchy, but there's like no reason for us to think he is.

Cristina: Because no one who's met him has anything bad to say.

Jack: Nothing, not a word. But there's still something wrong about him.

Cristina: I don't know. The weird thing I think is the whole Bible thing, because it was the Alicians that are behind it to make Jesus look good, even though they're scared of him. Like, it's. It's very conflicting in that way. Like, why. Why are you protecting him? But you're afraid of him. Is he good? Are you scared of him. Do you want him to look good so that they won't. He won't come after you because you're hiding from them?

Jack: No, no, no, no, no. The whole Knights Templar fix the narrative and alter how it works has a lot to do with. We cannot have people think we're the bad guy.

Cristina: Well, they're not in it at all.

Jack: Who?

Cristina: The sea people.

Jack: Yeah. So if we make Jesus absurdly good and they just obey him, but we twist his neck because he already had everybody's. He had everybody in the palm of his hand. Easy.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So we got to just. They're not gonna not listen to him.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We just gotta change what it is he's saying. You get my point? They can't control people following him. That's already a done deal. We just gotta play the long game because we can. And humans don't live nearly as long as we do and change the narrative so that. Yeah, Jesus, sure, whatever. The big bad. Awesome. Yeah. The way we decide.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: As opposed to. Well, he's just telling them we're the bad guys. Now we just alter that and say we don't even exist.

Cristina: Yeah. He's not gonna change it because he doesn't care. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: He doesn't care. He's not looking for them.

Jack: No, man. That's the weird part. There is some sketchy crap like that. It's like you're preaching all this s*** and ultimately you still let the Elysians kind of do whatever the f*** they want to some degree.

Cristina: Yeah. They're so frightened by him, but they won't. They're not trying to stop him and he's not trying to bother them as far as we can tell. Like, we originally thought that was happening, but, like, maybe not.

Jack: Maybe not. It's like he got the stones and then what? Yeah, the end.

Cristina: Like, maybe they are afraid of him, but like, more like a lion or something. Like, it's not a fear that he's evil or anything. It's just a fear that he's stronger. He's like, if we by accidentally did something to him, he would do something to us for sure.

Jack: Yes. And the same thing comes to mind with Mab. Like, what's her problem with Jesus?

Cristina: What's her problem? What does she do or not Jesus.

Jack: But she's scared of something. She's trying to fix something. She's trying to hide from something. She's trying to prevent something. And again, we know that the Alicians made Jesus and she preemptively 200 years prior, maybe seeing the data sends elves as a firewall everywhere.

Cristina: But that didn't stop anything.

Jack: That didn't stop anything. It was too late.

Cristina: Okay, I don't know. Because it didn't do anything.

Jack: Yes, I know, duh. But the idea was for it to. The idea was for it to stop things. It's actually send them there to do nothing. She literally, according to what it says, has sent the elves there to stop the progress. It didn't work. But that was the plan.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So she was trying to stop it.

Cristina: Maybe she was trying to stop something else.

Jack: Then she's trying to stop more Jesus happening. Well, she was trying to stop Jesus happening to begin with because it was immediately before that.

Cristina: How much before? You said 200 years.

Jack: 200 years ahead.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: To stop Jesus. Or presumably, I don't know what the h*** it was for, but 200 years ahead. So as the data starts rolling, as the science starts rolling.

Cristina: I don't know. That's weird because it doesn't seem like they're doing anything or they are doing what they're supposed to be doing, which isn't making sense to us.

Jack: They failed, which is what we also found out. The point was for them to stop them, and it did not work. But the point was for them to stop them. That was the point. That was what was written.

Cristina: Who said they fell though?

Jack: The fact that Jesus came to exist.

Cristina: Kind of tells us that was their actual goal, though. It was exactly their goal.

Jack: Their. The existence of the elves was, according to the text, to stop the advancement of civilizations, while the creation of the Naga was to help civilizations advance.

Cristina: That's so weird.

Jack: Well, no, because the. It wasn't like they. She made them both at the same time. The Naga that helped the elians showed up 12,000 years ahead, so clearly she wasn't expecting 12,000 years later for the advancements to get so out of hand that something like Jesus would happen. Thus throw the firewall in there 12,000 years later. It wasn't like this happened this minute and five minutes later I threw that in there. And thus I both gave you the thing to advance you and the thing to stop you.

Cristina: Were they were there, though, to kill off the Nagas. Wasn't there a story like that or.

Jack: No, no, the Nagas and the elves don't interact.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, the elves are just there to prevent civilizations from going beyond a certain point, hence are calling them the firewall. If this turns out to be some sort of sim, it's preventative. Don't go beyond this line, the Naga are an assistant program, the AI that's helping whatever place they land.

Cristina: Okay. And they're still around trying to stop something that's already. Who?

Jack: The elves?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Maybe. I haven't heard about any elves lately.

Cristina: It's very strange. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, for sure. But we don't know what the point of Jesus was. We don't know whether he was a good guy or bad guy. But we know Mab was definitely worried about something. Mab was definitely trying to stop the Aletians from getting farther. The existence of the elves was to stop civilizations from getting farther. And they were hit by one. But it didn't work. Presumably because Jesus happened. Unless that wasn't what they were trying to stop.

Cristina: Yes. And what were they trying to stop? I don't know.

Jack: And then we end up with weird things like, you know, fairy forts and crap like this in places that aren't the Isle of Man. Which suggest giant fairy death collections, you know, genocides of fairies. So we know that maybe some of these firewalls have failed.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There are grave sites.

Cristina: That seems like the Shadow realm has more to do with the deaths of fairies than to do us.

Jack: Well, no, because the forest would have happened. That happens when you kill them in the Shadow realm. That's how we got the Forest of Shadows.

Cristina: Okay, but you're saying the fairy forts.

Jack: Are fairies dying on this side?

Cristina: Okay, so there's someone here.

Jack: And we literally know of the Elysians hiring people like St. Patrick to dispose of things like the Naga that aren't theirs.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Okay, because of, you know, he got rid of the snakes. We know exactly what you're talking about, homie. Which means there was. We know that there are city of cities that have Nephilim living there with Naga living there with human. With collection. Collections of different things.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Was Ireland dominated by Naga? Was it a Naga settlement? And then you send a necromancer to dispatch bows of it, genocide style. But you don't just kill them. You get rid of them. But what are you gonna do? You're just gonna really waste that life? Was there a stone made there?

Cristina: Possibly. I mean, he is a necromancer.

Jack: Op. Necromancer you get easily.

Cristina: Yeah, I feel like. Yeah, that makes sense. The death wasn't on for nothing. He got something from it.

Jack: He got. It was a perfect exchange.

Cristina: I think so. And then he died on that mountain. And then he came back down.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: Maybe that's what happened. I don't know.

Jack: Is that what Happened?

Cristina: No, I just know he was on the mountain for a long time speaking to God.

Jack: All these guys do that, right?

Cristina: Yes, but here's another thing where he.

Jack: Goes to the mountain to speak to an Elysian. Come on, bro. This story checks out. Yeah, weird.

Cristina: Well, he makes that weird island. I don't know. But then that island seems like that island. Oh, he had. He made some. A facility on island, though.

Jack: No, that was Mananan, his direct rival. He was one of the Elysians who just did not like St. Patrick.

Cristina: Didn't St. Patrick's though, have some area of worship? Some building we saw pictures of on Ireland?

Jack: Yeah, it was on Ireland. The island that the was the Isle of Man and some other crap was for the Elysians that were sent there to run experiments, which Mananan was the leader of.

Cristina: Okay, so St. Patrick's gonna have some weird building.

Jack: Not that I know of.

Cristina: Thing, man, I just. I remember something, but maybe it wasn't him. I don't know.

Jack: No, as far as I know. Let me see what we can find here.

Cristina: Because I thought he ended up, I don't know, doing some kind of establishment on a island for people who worshiped him or something.

Jack: No, that's. It was a research facility in an invisible island. Yeah, that was Manana.

Cristina: Oh, that's Monanan. Okay.

Jack: Yeah, that was just a place for them to go live and be away from people seeing them.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. And which guy is Mananan Maranan is the Elysian that was on the island as well.

Jack: Yeah, he was the one who kept having beef with St. Patrick.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But St. Patrick was sent there overriding an elation, which goes to show how op that guy is.

Cristina: Yes, but that's because of how op necromancers are.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we're still believing that St. Patrick is one of the whacker necromancers because we have examples of things like St. Nicholas overpowered individual. And Hermes, which. Whoa. We have four different possible necromancers. Hermes, Nicholas, Patrick, and Christ.

Cristina: Was Marilyn that one.

Jack: Who?

Cristina: Marilyn Merlin.

Jack: That's five. Oh, you're right. Oh, we got a couple of necromancers going on. Not a lot.

Cristina: No.

Jack: But five is a nice amount.

Cristina: Very spread out.

Jack: And one of them is way overpowered, which is Hermes. It seems like nobody is touching that guy's level of opinion.

Cristina: Maybe Jesus. You don't think?

Jack: Maybe Jesus. But Jesus also required a couple of things, Right. He still needed the gate to get back. It seems like Hermes even violates that necessity.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: I picture Hermes Being so overpowered, based on the difference between the depictions of these individuals. You could see him stand in front of you and him be like, watch. And he just phase out of the front of you. He's just not there suddenly. And then he's like, look behind you. And you do. And he's like, look what I got from the shadow realm in this one moment.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think that level of overpowered is what we're dealing with here.

Cristina: That's pretty ridiculous, but okay. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And then Jesus maybe is more like Santa. Or do you think he's above him?

Jack: I would argue that the tier list goes as follows. Jesus is. It's Hermes at the very top, then S class, not Jesus. Yes, Hermes, then Jesus, then Santa, then I guess either Merlin or Patrick.

Cristina: It has to be Patrick. Only because we know more stories about him doing crap. He's doing a lot of crap.

Jack: Fair, Fair. But Merlin had some op scenarios too, especially dealing with fairies.

Cristina: Very small compared.

Jack: Yeah, I mean, I guess so did. I mean, really? Yeah. He was dealing with a single fairy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Who was kind of trolling him a lot.

Cristina: And then ended up killing him.

Jack: And then ended up killing him using his own method. He tricked the guy to kill him the way he was trying to trick. So he was like the Wagner necromancer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In any case, it was more like Alexander the Great who didn't graduate the school. He was a flunky.

Cristina: So maybe Merlin's was flunky.

Jack: Maybe he's not a necromancer. But he. No, he still had some kind of overpowered things. He could alter a time.

Cristina: Come on.

Jack: Sop. He was definitely a necromancer. He just didn't get it the way these other guys do. And I guess there's degrees of getting it.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, I would think there's.

Jack: So the range is Merlin on one end, barely a necromancer, but, like, way more overpowered than an average human to the point that humans could not touch this guy in a million years. And then Hermes, where necromancers couldn't touch the sky in a million years. And if we put St. Patrick in the middle and say he can easily dispose of an entire island's worth of fairies, then how overpowered is Hermes at the top? And how scary is then Jesus, who's right behind them?

Cristina: I don't know, because we don't see Jesus doing much. No, it's like scary actions.

Jack: No. But it seems like he can violate physics quite heftily, but not so much that he can come back from the Shadow realm without a gate, even after dying. And he knew this?

Cristina: Yes, he did know that.

Jack: He knew he couldn't just come back.

Cristina: Because there's some things he just can't understand from. From the teachings.

Jack: Yeah, I guess.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess.

Jack: And so the guy who understands it, because it's the guy making up how he's discovering it. He's discovering every part. And then he's trying to teach the people, but it's too hard would be Hermes. And Hermes is somehow immortal. And the line that never leaves me is him stating that you cannot find me amongst the people. You can only find me amongst the information. And that's weird, man, because that means at some point he just gets more abstract and more abstract and like he's more God than God at that point, right?

Cristina: I guess because he's in the data that makes us human or whatever. Like in the matrix. He is part of it. Like he knows.

Jack: Yeah, he can. He's watching us try to figure it out right now.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And he's conscious. He's consciously watching us. But he doesn't even have to be physical to do it. We know Jesus was literally born with the ability to also just see what we're doing, even if he doesn't understand it.

Cristina: Doesn't understand it. What do you mean?

Jack: What? Where he. He might hear us and see us and we might discover something he didn't put together.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Well, Hermes, on the other hand, is just watching to see if we figure it out, because he would have already known.

Cristina: He's way more. He is God, isn't he? Is he not?

Jack: He would be the highest tier of anything as far as we know. Okay, so then the question would be where the elves sent her to stop Hermes. Because Hermes is giving information to the Elysians and that's too overpowered. F*** the stones. That's not even an issue. Hermes is.

Cristina: Hermes is. I don't know. Where does he fit into the timeline? There's so much Hermes seems to pop.

Jack: Up literally as written down. According to the mentions of Aristotle, he can be dated back. Now, Aristotle wasn't at this time, but Aristotle claiming what he knows of Hermes. That Hermes could be dated back to about 12,000 years. Now this is a direct mention. While the exact knowledge details that are attributed to Hermes have being discovered them could be traced to about 55,000 years back around the time presumably Yahweh was around.

Cristina: How much?

Jack: 55,000 years back. So even if Aristotle believed the first recorded actual interaction is from some note he saw, that doesn't even exist that he was just talking about explaining that this was about 12,000 years back. That's just the first recording that survived. The data was already put together by that time, which we know for a fact through the notes of the Knights Templar claiming things from 12,000 years ago and the experiments that were initially beginning at that point that sent Jehovah into the shadow realm in order to get the fruit to begin with. So 12,000 years back, the knowledge was all together. That's just when we happened to see the notes together. But it was all already put together. Somebody put it together.

Cristina: So he had to be before then.

Jack: Yes, presumably by the time of Yahweh, which is about 55,000 years BC.

Cristina: And the fairies pop up when again, the elves.

Jack: Yes, because fairies have been around elves. Elves specifically. About 200 BC.

Cristina: That's still kind of a giant. That's a gap, isn't it?

Jack: Yeah, but I don't think there was an issue yet. Until another necromancer starts to show up.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: St. Patrick happens after Jesus. Nicholas happens after Jesus. Merlin happens after Jesus. The order really starts at Hermes and then Jesus. So there's a necromancer, presumably for hundreds of thousands of years. Fine. Oh, my God, they're about to make another one. For the first time in all of history, you're about to make another one. He figured out how to teach it or how to do it or something. And he told these monsters they're about to make another one. Then Jesus is about to happen. Send some. I don't know. You know, theorizing. I don't know.

Cristina: It makes sense. It's the closest thing we got to something. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. It's just so convoluted.

Cristina: It's a mess of a history because it's not really written anywhere.

Jack: A bunch of these things are written.

Cristina: But not like owl like, oh, no, obviously.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. We have to find shreds and whatever. Nothing is like, this happened and then that happened.

Cristina: We can just get a history book with this information.

Jack: Yeah, I know. That's what sucks, right? It's just like, oh, we got to go to this book of that guy who mentioned knowing this dude at that point who knew about the thing over there. And then he said this one line. Yeah, it's just cross referencing and just picking out the things that literally line up when you cross reference.

Cristina: That's the best we can do.

Jack: That's the best we can do. Which leaves us with nothing but a crazy amount of assumptions and weird data. Oftentimes zeta we don't even understand.

Cristina: Yeah, there's a lot of data.

Jack: There's a lot of data. So, yeah, I don't know. It's very complicated. And somehow that ties into the labyrinth, which is a doorway, and the Winchester house, which is doorway.

Cristina: There's doorways everywhere. Yes. It's just weird that the Greeks have a doorway. Yes. You don't think that's weird?

Jack: Not when everybody else has a doorway.

Cristina: I guess they know, or we know that they know for sure about the other side.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: All of these groups know because of the shadow realm. Creatures, though. They know.

Jack: Not necessarily. I'm sure that different. Again, you're very wrong. Because of the judge.

Cristina: The judge? Oh, who stumbled upon it. Yeah, I think they could have stumbled upon it.

Jack: Clearly, a random individual just got there. Presumably he died somehow and didn't realize it. Yeah, but he still got there. And he happened to be under the right conditions that he could just get back.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So people can just find it. Yeah, Assuming the conditions are right. Or where the judge stumbled through a necromancer portal or something. Something broke the laws of how things should work, and he strolled through the gap.

Cristina: I don't know. He must have died. That is a good idea, because, like, humans can't walk into there.

Jack: Not physically, no. So not physically. It's not a physical location.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You're only physical on this side. How do you get over there without consuming adrenochrome or something? Unless he did.

Cristina: Oh, I guess that's the case. That could have been.

Jack: Just had no idea.

Cristina: Not part of the story. Yeah.

Jack: Casually. What he had to do. Strolled in. Well, but you didn't really stroll in. He could have just been walking. A tree fell on him, and it was instant. No suffering, no nothing. He has an idea what happened. He's just there one minute and over there the next. But he just so happened to be around the right spot that there is.

Cristina: A gate to come back.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And to anybody on this side, you walk through a gate and you haven't had adrenochrome. It's just. It's just a weird rectangular shape you can walk through. But to him it wasn't. But then also his sister could go in eventually. Because he showed his sister how to get there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He took Inano.

Cristina: That's strange.

Jack: So presumably the judge in his family had some sort of ritualized thing happening. No, but there's a. There's a problem there, logically speaking. How do the h*** did he. I don't know. I don't know. How did they come back? I know the gate is how they got back, but she wasn't there. She. He came back through and then showed her. He told her about it.

Cristina: I don't know. And there's something. That story doesn't make sense to anything.

Jack: There's. There's some broken logic happening there that we don't know, but let's try to reason it out, because, okay, this guy goes into the Shadow Realm. Let's assume he did die suddenly, and he shows up in the Shadow Realm. Maybe on the trip he was just walking one day, died suddenly, showed up in the Shadow Realm, popped up super quickly elsewhere where there was a gate. He just happened to travel the right route to end up at a gate he didn't notice. He's like, whoa, this is weird. Not home. He went to work.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: So he goes back through, comes back in and exits back at home in a different port. He found both gates. Lucky you. Yeah, two different gates, in and out. So after work, he comes back, he frequents the path. He memorizes the path, and then he gets to his sister, who is not. It's not that she's over here on Earth Realm. Assuming this family just has a ritualization of drinking blood or something, and her body is drowning with adrenochrome regularly. And they have no idea what adrenochrome is. They've never heard about it. They're just doing what people do.

Cristina: I don't know. Maybe because, like, it's very easy for them to, like, live there. I mean, she lives there. She swaps on someone there, like, right?

Jack: Except she's alive. How did she swap? How does she go into the Shadow Realm? Is what I was trying to get to.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Drink all the adrenochrome you want. How do you walk? Even Jesus had to die.

Cristina: Yes, that's true. I don't know. Okay, continue what you're thinking.

Jack: Right, so maybe they weren't born on that side. Maybe they weren't born on Earth Realm. Maybe these were never humans.

Cristina: I just thought they were.

Jack: Maybe they were born in the Shadow Realm, and so these gates are just easy to walk through.

Cristina: Okay, they just lived in human lives and then they swapped. I mean, they called themselves human lives because they didn't know.

Jack: They didn't know. And through some manner, shape or form, they were physical on this side. And it wasn't through adrenochrome somehow. These are jinn, who had no idea they were jinn. And then they cross easily. He literally stumbled upon it. Get the f*** out of here. That violates everything.

Cristina: Maybe those stories of the jinn swapping out babies with their owns are true and this is what happened. Like they had normal parents. Maybe.

Jack: Fascinating.

Cristina: Like, what if this is an example of one of those stories of like, Yeah, a baby swap and no one noticed, or they did notice something different about the baby, but they couldn't put.

Jack: Their finger on it. Yeah, maybe this was a perfect. Maybe you only swap babies that could trick a human.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which means that there were people capable. No. Oh, my God. It's so complicated, because then you got to think about that. Inanna trade places with Ixchel, and Ixshel is one of the Egyptians, particularly with Idzamna, that's his wife. And so these two individuals come together and then work with the Elysians. And the Elysians are the ones who discover the method of turning somebody into physical from the shadow realm. So it could not have happened before then.

Cristina: Couldn't have. What could happen?

Jack: Somebody be turned physical from the shadow realm because the experiment was Lucifer and it is. Is mild.

Cristina: Yeah. And you're saying that happened way later, after this happened. This didn't happen after that.

Jack: Well, this happened. Well, actually, we don't. Actually, I have no idea, to be honest. If this happened because we know it did happen.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But I don't know what timeline. So in theory, it could have happened long before they even started working with the Mayans. It could have happened long before then.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then these individuals are experimented on in the shadow realm. So even the falling apart of the. No, it doesn't. Yeah, well, yeah, there is. There are no Mayans in the shadow group. There are no Mayans amongst the Shadow Gods research team. There are no Mayans.

Cristina: What's your point?

Jack: Well, the Judge is a Mayan.

Cristina: The Judge is a Mayan. Crap. I don't remember where the Judge came from.

Jack: And so is Inanna.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: And Inanna swaps place with Ixcho. Ixo then marries Izama for Maya.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: This could have. The Mayans could have happened way later.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And also, we don't even need the Egyptians yet. All we need are shadow people and the Elysians in order to get the experiment that led to Lucifer having a physical form. And we have no timeline for this. We just know it happened. We don't know in what order it happened. And based on the logic, we don't even need Egyptians or the Mayans.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So this could have happened many years. Could have happened with the entire group already there, and then later, even Egyptians Going in without there ever being a. A Mayan in the group. That never happens. They're running experiments and figuring out how to imitate what happened with Lucifer, who did it. And so did Ismail. They went to the Shadow Realm, where Jinn replace babies with.

Cristina: Yes, I think that makes sense.

Jack: That makes perfect sense. Yes, that makes perfect sense. The experiment that happened over here with Ismail and Lucifer. Then they get outcast and they go into the Shadow Realm to form their own group. That research still exists. They were the literal source, the literal subjects of it. And then being the literal sub, they have all the data. They can recreate it. They could keep that experiment going a bunch of times and then slowly replace people on this side with Jinn.

Cristina: I don't know what's that for, though.

Jack: But they're physical Djinn.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're not human.

Cristina: No.

Jack: People who can just enter the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Maybe we need to look at those stories again. Look at the stories about.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: What people think is happening when they're swapping these babies.

Jack: Well, I can tell you one really interesting thing. The original point of Jesus was somebody who can cross the Gates easily. Right. Go in and out. And even Jesus had to die. The golem could phase in and out.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He couldn't enter Elfame, but he could enter the Shadow Realm effortlessly, meaning a lot of different groups. Maybe all of these groups still wanted a way to traverse easily. And the only people who figured it out were the Shadow Gods.

Cristina: Oh, that makes sense.

Jack: They figured it out in the Shadow Realm. And then they invented the method of swapping babies, which then allows people on this side to raise them. Eventually they might stumble into the Shadow Realm where they can get the proper education. And she literally swapped places with another Shadow creature, but one that wasn't physical.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: When they had to become physical over here in her adult life, while this one was born thinking she's human and could literally just walk through the gate with her brother, who literally just walked through the gate and entered the Shadow Realm, which for other people, it was probably just a random structure. Yeah, the Shadow people figured it out. Man. Everybody figured something out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If they all work together, would be scary.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Unstoppable.

Cristina: But they have to be working together in some type of way, I think.

Jack: Like, do you think the Elysians are working with the Shadow People that they directly discarded? Not the Shadow People, but the Shadow Gods that they discarded. The thieves, the liars, the people who were using the tech and stealing the tech and doing whatever the h*** they wanted with the tech.

Cristina: I don't know, over time things change.

Jack: I think. No, I think these are just ways that I think it eventually leads to warfare. And these are methods do it.

Cristina: Okay. Think there's gonna be a war.

Jack: Not literally a war, but it's a tactical. We have to get a one up. It's deterrent. It's all deterrence for war. Oh, yeah. The Alicians can do this, that and the other. Yeah, well, we got this, that and this to stop them from f****** with us. Okay, you get my point. It's not we're going to war as much as it is. We need to be able to be sure they can't just come and f*** us.

Cristina: Everyone fears everyone in that type of.

Jack: Way because everybody has different weapons, everybody has different abilities.

Cristina: None of the fights are similar actually fighting anyone. There's. Because it's not about preparing.

Jack: It's not about fighting each other. It's not about fighting each other. It's not really about fighting each other.

Cristina: No.

Jack: They just know that these people are effortlessly and ruthlessly willing to run experiments that would kill people. Don't run the experiments on us. That's all it is.

Cristina: It's about defending themselves.

Jack: Yes, they know they're factually gonna kill however many people. Don't let those people be us.

Cristina: Weird, man. Those are. They have to be. They have to be Shadow Realm people. They just didn't know it.

Jack: They didn't know it. And the science must have already existed in order to do it. Then in the Shadow Realm, they go ahead. But they needed models. That's at least a part of it. They needed a model, which is why they steal the baby in the first place. Oh, stealing the baby isn't even about the swap. No, you need the template. You're gonna turn the Shadow person into.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So they just kidnap babies, kept the babies, probably. And use those same babies for others.

Cristina: Yeah, probably for adrenochrome too, because they still use adrenochrome.

Jack: They don't need it in the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, yeah, never mind. I wonder what they're doing with these babies then.

Jack: No, actually, maybe you're right. Because at the end of the day, if you look at things like how the h*** did Abraxas enter the Shadow Realm? Abraxas had to die. And Abraxas needed to consume adrenochrome. So did Ismael, because he was also an Elysian. These guys needed sustained sources to not lose. Although the Shadow Gods that entered, like Lucifer and Lilith, they were born on the other side. They never needed adrenochrome. Abraxas, Azazel, Ismail. They did in fact need to not go crazy on the other side. You take the babies, you make the template for the child you stole, send out a jinn baby that replaces the spot. And now you would have a child who you can consume the blood of. So you don't go feral on this side, because you're not actually from this side.

Cristina: Yes. Horrible solution. Yeah.

Jack: So when a baby is replaced, it has nothing. It has less to do with the replacement than it has to do with the shadow gods trying to stay consistent.

Cristina: Yeah, that's. That's so disturbing. But.

Jack: And because they were human, it doesn't work. You. And not. And not that it doesn't work, but you. If you don't have it, being on the other side doesn't work. You're useless to them. They must continue. There must be a sustained source of blood. Of blood. Keep taking babies.

Cristina: Yeah, well, so they're still doing that. Probably.

Jack: It's weird because in theory, the template has to be done on this side. You can't cross the baby. It's a human baby. How are you gonna take it?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the baby gets snatched. There must be labs from the shadow gods over here in Earthrealm.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then gates that maybe exist in labyrinths so they can come in.

Cristina: Whoa, where have they been?

Jack: And houses like the Winchester house.

Cristina: Yes. You think they're in Clinton Road? Who's there?

Jack: It could totally be too. It could totally be too. All these maze like gates could be in service of the shadow gods working alongside, adjacent to them, with the big one having been the Greek one. But there are others that have nothing to do with them. And all the discussions we know about these churches and the blood rituals and the Viking are all the same voices from the other side telling us what to do.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Even creating the f****** golem was the same. They kidnapped a bunch of children, drank the blood, heard voices and told them how to make the golem. Which we assumed was the shadow gods.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that would fit perfectly right here in the middle of it with the kids, with the blood, with the Elysians that need that to be sustained with the. Finally, an explanation as to why these people would be swapping babies in the first place. Because that made no sense ever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And now it does. Because we know that there's experiments that allow them to turn Jin into a physical earth realm being. And maybe some people are just growing up like that, thinking they're human. And you just troll in. They figured out what nobody else Could. It required a lot of murder and kidnapping.

Cristina: But I guess that's nothing to them. I don't know.

Jack: There's nothing to them. You already outcasted us and you guys are killing way more. Yeah, yeah, we're doing it. Showing you it could be one for one, not millions for one.

Cristina: That is. That's pretty scary though.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: But it makes sense, especially in clints and world, that we don't know what's going on. But people are being. They're missing.

Jack: People missing.

Cristina: Literally many people are missing. There's obviously some type of labyrinth in there. Underground, above ground as well.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes. Oh man. I knew this would go somewhere that would be useful.

Cristina: It's disturbing, but it's all right there.

Jack: And we know, we literally know that the thin places along the literal Clinton road allows people to see weird things. Kids and other crap that just aren't even there. People who seem ethereal and not real and then suddenly they're not child around people. That is a hot spot for a reason, isn't it? Maybe that is a lab where they make people who are only ever seen coming out. But because there is a gate, you can't see anything when you go in. You're just human. They can come in and out. It always looks empty.

Cristina: That's always looks empty. But you always see people coming out.

Jack: You always see people coming out. They can come out because they're jinn.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Who look human, who are physical.

Cristina: They just come out looking like these white robed people. Those aren't.

Jack: No, those. Those people just wander outside. The people that they see come out are just look like rednecks.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Well, those are jinn though.

Jack: Those are the jinn. Those are jinn made physical that could just exit and you could go in there and not find a f****** thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: At night fear is heightened and people are more scared. And it's already a spooky spoken of place. So you start seeing things, but the fear is amplified and so the veil is thinned. But the veil thinning has nothing to do with the gate you cross through which the gate so happens to be on the nameless road that comes out of Paradise Road into the town of Paradise. There's a literal gate there somewhere and they can come out. But nobody who's not a djinn can go in.

Cristina: No, you just get lost.

Jack: And that's why that place looks rustic and ignored. Because it is on our side. There's nothing there. Yeah, there's nobody there. Nobody lives here on our side.

Cristina: Yeah, over there. They're doing things.

Jack: That's exactly what the f*** is happening, isn't it? That explains the people come out, but nobody ever being seen inside. When we walk through a gate, there's a million Shinto gates in Japan.

Cristina: You can walk through them all you want.

Jack: It goes nowhere. But what are the stories about those Shinto gates? Oh, the spirits come through them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Well, that fits every suit we're talking about. Holy.

Cristina: Yeah, that's. That's it. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, I guess that's really it. I guess that's really a town of Jin. And that's. Yeah. On the other side. And just like the explanation of the shadow realm. It's an estimation of Earth realm, but jumbled up and weird and messy. And when the veil is thinnest, they come through. No, they can just come through the gate. When the veil is thinnest, it's. You start seeing the shadow realm side. So the streets start to change and whatever. And it's because you're seeing kind of the overlap of both of these two places.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It only happens at night.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And there's never a single light because they're all in the shadow realm side.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They don't need light. It's different over there. Whatever the case might be. They can see or whatever.

Cristina: Yes. If they have lights, it's still over there. Anyway.

Jack: Interesting. Dude, that explains so hard how they're coming out and nobody's ever seen going in because they just. If you were to watch them, they would just disappear in front of you. You can only see people leaving and go in and be like, what the f***? There's nobody in here. He was just hanging out alone.

Cristina: That's very strange. Yeah. Someone's always leaving the town that's empty.

Jack: Yes. You can only see people leaving. And you could only ever see them leaving from the outside of the road.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Into Paradise Road. That's it. You see them coming into Paradise Road. That's it. You never see the nameless road be traveled. You never see anybody in the town of Paradise. Never.

Cristina: Never.

Jack: But you see people in white robes roaming around. Maybe people who know this fact. And they're just friends of the guys who come in and out. These are just people living life. You can go to the store.

Cristina: They're probably still in part of a culture.

Jack: Like these gods who were. Yeah, interesting.

Cristina: Probably going on.

Jack: Fascinating. Wow. We really got to something that made perfect sense according to all the laws.

Cristina: We figured out a few things, I think.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The babies too.

Cristina: Babies. Always thinking about those babies. It didn't make sense. It never made sense.

Jack: Never made sense. Never made sense.

Cristina: But now it kind of makes sense.

Jack: It does. Man, that's crazy. That's blowing my mind. Because it makes so much f****** sense that it just explains paradise so well.

Cristina: There's just so much not right with that place.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: It's too.

Jack: Too strange.

Cristina: Too abandoned. Too weird.

Jack: And now we got people coming out with an explanation as to how. Because the Judge just strolled in.

Cristina: Yeah. How did he do it?

Jack: And then we have. I don't know why we didn't connect the docs before, because we saw. We know of the experiment. We know of the experiment that made a Jin. A physical being.

Cristina: But the whole time, not knowing the timelines of these events, it's really. Yes.

Jack: Makes it hard. So if we had a line drawn through it that explained that, we could have put this together sooner.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It was like, oh, obviously, over here, they did the experiment, and then this many years later, the Judge walks in.

Cristina: We have no idea. So it just seemed like an odd story, but now it makes sense.

Jack: Yeah, they seemed totally unrelated, but obviously these guys first went over there, and then we never thought about the whole. Well, Abraxas just went into the shadow realm. Get the f*** out of here. No, he didn't.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Didn't just walk into the shadow realm, bro. That's not how that works. We know that's not how that works. And we didn't even question it.

Cristina: We probably questioned it, but just never got any answer.

Jack: Yeah, there was no answer to it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And now there is the babies that are f****** kidnapped.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They're a template. And they are fuel to sustain a physical form that had to die and go to the other side and must continue to consume in order to not go feral.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And if they did eventually go feral, they were executed on that side or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it must be consistent. And that explains children going missing today. And that explains places like Paradise.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Where maybe there were humans. Maybe that's really what's happening with the Druids. They're just waiting to be the one. Oh, I hope I'm the one chosen.

Cristina: To do what?

Jack: To be able to enter. Which means you have to die, but you have to be also you. There's. There's Pete, there's humans, former humans in paradise that are continuously fueled, hence the people go missing. That's what's happening.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because otherwise, if it was just Djinn and you got the baby done, what do you need to keep taking people for? These people can just walk in and out they were born on the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You're kidnapping people because you need the source for something else. We thought it was a stone, but that doesn't explain the town. No, the stones don't explain the town. Especially if you don't have a necromancer. How the h*** you gonna make a stone? It makes perfect sense if you're not. And you just. You. Cuz blood is easy to come by.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Wolves randomly stumbled upon it by f****** accident. Easy. You're already scared. You're already in this place. You get kidnapped, you go somewhere you don't f****** know. Probably the bottom of the f****** castle. Where there could be a harvesting station and a lab to turn the gin.

Cristina: Yeah. It could be all right there.

Jack: It's all right there.

Cristina: There's like so much area. There's so much happening. I don't know.

Jack: It's all happening now. The question would be, okay, we know what's happening, who's doing it? Because I know it wasn't the same guys from all the way over there in the Middle East. There's other groups of people who figured it out from the Shadow Realm. Maybe this spread like wildfire in the Shadow Realm. They're like, wow, we could just go live in earthrealm.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then these are ways they did it. And so we. But also, we're talking about the most haunted place in the entire planet. Which isn't in the Middle East. It's in New Jersey, man.

Cristina: It does make the whole. Oh, they didn't understand our rules. So they didn't, like you know the legal part of it, that they didn't get in trouble. These foreigners. Like that was where the shadow around people. Of course.

Jack: Of course. Oh my God. Oh my God. And also, you couldn't even chase them. You had to concede. You try to follow them into their home where they just fled back to. How are you gonna get there? You don't. You just. Oh my God. They disappeared.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The f*** did they go? And this happens every time you follow them. You have to concede. You have to be like, f***, no. They just won't let them go. We can't. We can't figure it out. We can't figure it out as hard as we try. Now, in theory, you could imprison one of them, but you gotta get to them before they get back home. But even though it doesn't matter, it's too overpowered. They could just still f*** with you from the Shadow Realm without ever having to come out. So yeah, it is a Matter of. We can't win this battle. No matter how we look at it. We got to let them go. We got to just work with them. We can't. We can't. Nope. Oh, my bad. Foreigners. And they were the ones running. Explains. Like sketchy people coming in and out. Everything is so explained right now. It's crazy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just with the judge and the baby swapping so much crap suddenly makes sense. I was also haunted by the baby swapping. To be honest, I was totally haunted by that. But. And the judge walking through the gate. That never made sense.

Cristina: That never made sense. We probably came up with different explanations and none of them.

Jack: None of them made sense. We tried our best, but it's three major events that make everything make sense.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Lucifer using Ishmael as a template to become a physical being. Babies being kidnapped, which is essentially just most likely people being kidnapped in order to have a template to make Djinn into physical beings. And then the actual example of a person who we thought was human straight up walk into the Shadow Realm without dying.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: Crazy.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: Those three instances connect in such a way that paint us a beautiful picture.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We figured it out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Wow. Which means that is actually a lab at the bottom of the castle where you do the conversion process.

Cristina: Yes. I mean, if we go down there, it's probably so it's. It's nothing but like on the other side.

Jack: To be on this side. Because the baby has to be on this side.

Cristina: Oh, no.

Jack: That's why the castle needed to be knocked down. You can't have access.

Cristina: Yes. That's so scary.

Jack: And then people go missing. But there is a secret way in.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Most likely in the town.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It must be on this side. It has to be.

Cristina: They're stealing babies not just from that forest, but from every town they connected to.

Jack: Well, it's not babies in a lot of these cases.

Cristina: Oh, they can just tell anyone.

Jack: Yeah. This mill was a grown a** person who. Ismail was a scientist and he volunteered as a template for Lucifer. That was a grown a** man.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This grown a** man. So you could just kidnap people. It's just easier if you like this. The. The judge and his sister just happen to be people who didn't know. And there's probably a bunch of people like that.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But you're taking the template to just, you know, read and spread and whatever. And eventually they can maybe. The envision. I mean, that's so Lucifer. Envision a world in which we're all equal. That's such a. It's A hundred percent shadow people doing it. Yeah. That's such a f****** Lucifer fueled idea.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just share our ability. Look, eventually they'll just be able to find us and come and we'll all be equal. It's like, that's. But you're kidnapping and murder, man. You clearly. I know you think you're the good guy, bro.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Not to say Jehovah is. Jovah's not the good guy. He'll clean out the earth if it f****** filled him with joy and fulfilled his goal, which he literally did at some point. Yeah, but Lucifer, man, you still kidnapping and killing, bro. Always been the case. Entire civilizations collapse because you want to share too much. Like, how are you any better?

Cristina: I don't know. He is.

Jack: I don't know, man. That's crazy. That's nuts. As the experiment with Ismail and Lucifer, the judge and his sister and babies being swapped all connect beautifully to explain everything that's happening in Clinton Road.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That gives us the lab underneath with all the facilities, the extra chambers, the room so people can sleep. Dude, you harvesting people down here. You draining people for blood and you're using them as templates in order to change. And then the people who are showing up back.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Are just Jim.

Cristina: And they're thinking like, there's weird blood rituals happening in the castle before any of this. So like. Yeah. They were probably right established at that time.

Jack: Yes. And it was happening over. It was probably just happening in the castle.

Cristina: Well, it's just one of the ways in.

Jack: Yes. And they were like, somebody stumbled, saw it, talked about it. Then, you know, the mayor sends the people in and they start to investigate and then they stumble upon the thing and it's like, look, bro, you ain't never say anything. Yeah. You try. Try to talk about it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like, look, look, bro. I'm gonna just not that we never saw anything.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: And then eventually we knock this place down, you guys keep everything you got, keep it to a minimum, and we're good. That has to be it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: D***, bro.

Cristina: They're definitely paying them for it. To not do anything about it.

Jack: Because they were getting money.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And these people work, but they don't need money. They just want to live amongst the.

Cristina: Humans and eat the humans.

Jack: No. Well, what the h*** would the people who are physical not to do anything with the humans. Jin. Don't need blood.

Cristina: Oh, then who. What are they doing again in the.

Jack: The needed the blood in the basement. They just need templates. So that gym.

Cristina: Okay. They need bodies.

Jack: They need bodies. They don't need blood. And so once they got physical forms, they don't need to bother anybody.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I can go work, make money. My entire community of people can make money. And we can pay you to leave us alone.

Cristina: Yes. They're still killing the people. They're making templates of.

Jack: Yes, 100%. Maybe there's two or three people that look exactly the same before they get rid of them.

Cristina: That's crazy. I don't know.

Jack: Weird. Two or three. Doppelganger. That might explain the f****** concept of doppelgangers, too. They don't actually kill everybody.

Cristina: Yes. The only reason I think they must, because people do go missing.

Jack: People do go missing? Yeah.

Cristina: Like, unless they're like, you're now gonna live over here. I don't know.

Jack: No, I think they do. I mean, they can't. They're still human. They're probably just trapped in the basement as blood fuels for something. Yeah, fair enough. If there are humans who did cross again, maybe druids or some s*** like that that eventually do cross, they're still human. In order to be sustained, there must be blood.

Cristina: Yeah, that's. I'm saying.

Jack: Fire. Fire. A lot explained. That's really cool. It was very complicated.

Cristina: Very.

Jack: All right. Anyways, yeah, we definitely did. We definitely got to the bottom of this. A bottom of a lot by accident. So, yeah, if you guys have any more input on this, any connections you've made by listening to us that we clearly did not, because we missed some things. Yeah, we always connected it.

Cristina: Now.

Jack: Yeah, we just. A bunch of crap we clearly missed has just been connected. So if you guys have any idea, if you realize anything in the middle of this, let us know. You can hit us up on our socials at justconville, Pod, on Tick Tock, Instagram, Facebook, wherever the h*** you want to reach out to us.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And word of mouth is the most overpowered thing in the world. If you know anybody interested in gin and shadow realm people and crazy experiments and a de occult, tell them about this show.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Sam.

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April 06, 2024

Rambling 269: The Harrowing of Hell

April 06, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

What was the true reason for the Crucifixion? What happened to Jesus after getting Crucified? What was his ultimate goal? The duo unpack the Harrowing of Hell and the fact that according to the Bible it seems Jesus died a sinner, but why?

+Episode Details

Topics DIscussed:

The Crucifiction
Jesus the Sinner
The Journey to Hell
Hidden Prison
Retrieving the Goods
Yaldabaoth (AKA Jehovah of Dark)

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And it's so. I mean, again, it's not like I have a lot. It's. I don't have a lot of notes. It's more that. This is extremely dense and it focuses on a situation that we've heavily overlooked and we've looked kind of straight at a million thousand times. Composed a little something here for us to look at and it's going to answer so. It's so small, but it's going to answer so many questions. Who's what? Why? Where? Who's doing what? Why are they doing it? There's so many with the smallest of things, and it doesn't necessarily tie to Hermes, but it connects to him indirectly. And also, before we even get to this, Hermes Trismegistus invents the magnum opus and the Hermetic seal, both steps of creating the philosopher's stone. There's no way Hermes Trismegistus was not working one on one with Eloi, the one who made the Stone of Adam and the Stone of Eve. There's no way. Okay, it's literally named after a dude who shows up mad later is because this guy was there way before. It's his name for the process.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So he must have been way back then. How.

Cristina: Humans are somehow special then in the story.

Jack: Well, if he is a necromancer, death is not a problem.

Cristina: Yeah, but it seems like necromancers come from humans.

Jack: Yes, yes.

Cristina: Yeah, like, that's very interesting. I don't know how he relates to anything, but it seems like that's.

Jack: Well, yeah, no, it's something weird about that. The possibility that Hermes Trismegistus is a title itself, that's another possibility. Many guys name that, but I think that's not the case. I think it is one guy. Because through the case of necromancy, we seem to consistently defy the need for. For age. And time kind of just dissolves into the background because long enough gets anywhere. The idea would be, can necromancer share this and that, would that explain something like an loi lasting long, even if not millions of years? Because as we know, we literally established it is the last name or bare minimum, some sort of title or position, and there were different people, different. But that means in this case, fair enough. Maybe he's not sharing immortality because Jehovah learned this with Azrael. Eloi didn't. Which means there were many Elois. The first discovery of immortality for someone non necromancer was Israel. That might be the actual first instance of immortality within biological beings.

Cristina: And how did they figure it out?

Jack: Science.

Cristina: The science. Okay.

Jack: Asriel. Yes. She's a geneticist.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And she solved that. But that happened in the time of Jehovah, sometime in like, 7,000 BC, so that's relatively recent.

Cristina: Do you think the unicorn horns have anything to do with that?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Or unicorns at all?

Jack: No, no, no, no.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Definitely not. But that's just definitely something for us to think about. We still got to look into who is within the title of Eloi, whether it's family members of Jehovah. Although I've seen all names after that. I've seen Jehovah, Eloi. I've seen Yahweh Eloi. I've seen Elohim, Eloi. I thought Elohim and Eloi were more close together, but no Elohim, Eloi, which means Elohim is somebody in the family or somebody who is just Eloi. The first one is just Eloi, presumably. Eloi. The first Eloi was the first Eloi, and he did a thing that made him important. And so Legend of Zelda style, every next individual assumes the name just like Zelda.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: I mean, not Zelda. Link.

Jack: Just like Link.

Cristina: Just like Link. Yeah.

Jack: So that's what I'm thinking. Anyways, as for what we're talking about today, a week ago, do you know what was a week ago?

Cristina: Do I know what was one week ago? No. Was this at Patrix Day? I don't remember.

Jack: No, no.

Cristina: That's two weeks ago.

Jack: That was way longer than what you said. It was the day Jesus died.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. Okay. Easter.

Jack: Yeah, Easter.

Cristina: And we just didn't talk about it. Did we talk about.

Jack: No, we didn't talk about Easter. I mean, we might have brushed over while talking about something else, but.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The problem is we've messed up because Easter should have been our starting point for many, many reasons.

Cristina: Starting point for what?

Jack: Everything.

Cristina: Everything.

Jack: Everything.

Cristina: Easter is that important.

Jack: Easter has a lot. I'm just gonna spit out some sentences at certain points, and you're gonna be like, how the f***? And like, that's too black and white to not be literally what's happening. So do you know what happened on Easter?

Cristina: He came back from the dead.

Jack: Right, Right.

Cristina: That's all I gotta get. Yeah.

Jack: Okay, so he died on the crucifixion day. Then three days later he comes back. And we know that story really vividly because he came back through the Shanto gates. He met with some homies, according to the Bible, you know, he met with some people, blah, blah, blah. And then he did. But we know he kept kind of like wandering around doing things. And he died in India or whatever the h***. Not even in India. He actually died where the. There were. No, it was in India where the fairies are.

Cristina: I think it was.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So sure. All of these things Jesus did after he came to life, all you have to wonder is what did he do in those three days? Okay, so he died. Let's unpack the logic. He died and he built the Shinto gates because. What?

Cristina: Because to come back here. No, that was beforehand. He died and then he built this.

Jack: No, he built the Shinto gates because he knew he would die. Yes. Why did he build the Shinto gates? To come back from where?

Cristina: The Shadow room.

Jack: Why would he go to the Shadow Realm?

Cristina: Because of all the blood drinking.

Jack: Okay, well established.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Why was he drinking blood if he was already overpowered?

Cristina: that's a good question. I don't know. It was important somehow because of the religion. He needed people to drink his blood. So I guess he also had to.

Jack: I don't know, obviously. So that he doesn't permanently die. That's all it is. It's so that you don't permanently die. Right. You go to the Shadow Realm. He built the gate. Then he could just come back. He can't die. He established immortality. That is loop.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: You die without the adrenochrome. You just die. You die with the adrenochrome, you go to the other side. He built the gates, he can come back. The adrenochrome. Was the located immortality in his case?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or was it?

Cristina: Or was it. I don't know.

Jack: In the Bible. In the Bible it says that Jesus went to h*** for three days. Let's just talking about the Bible real quick. Not talking about the fact of the matter, but let's talk about the Bible. Jesus went to h*** for three days, not heaven. Christian's Messiah died and actually went to h***. It doesn't matter what logic they try to reason that one away with. He lied in the eyes of God and went to h***. He didn't kill anybody. He didn't harm. No. Which means the one thing he did must have been a lie, because everything else checked out. So he was. He was just lying the whole time? According to the Bible itself, he went to h*** after he died. Not heaven. He didn't die a martyr. He died a sinner. Ooh.

Cristina: Is that how they. But that's not how they see it.

Jack: Oh, no, because how they see it, they rationalize it. He chose to go there.

Cristina: How does that make sense? For what purpose?

Jack: Obviously, the story is bullshit.

Cristina: Yeah, but what's their purpose of him wanting to go to h***?

Jack: It's not a matter of them having a purpose for him wanting to go to h***. It's having to cover up what actually happened and having no way to do.

Cristina: It the right way. Mm.

Jack: What did he do while he was in h***?

Cristina: Talk to his father?

Jack: No, because his father isn't in h***.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: What did he do when he went to h***?

Cristina: I don't even know the story. I have no idea.

Jack: I'm gonna tell you. That's the point of this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But I'm hoping you'd guess.

Cristina: Oh, that was my guess. And you're saying no. So he.

Jack: You know, his father's not in h*** according to the Bible, so that doesn't make sense.

Cristina: I was just his real father without the.

Jack: The things we've talked about just with the Bible, why'd he go?

Cristina: Who? The creatures.

Jack: What would Jesus do? What creatures? We're not talking about. We know. We're talking about just the Bible.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: I'm saying don't think about what we talked about. Just the Bible.

Cristina: What they say he wants.

Jack: What do you think they say that's.

Cristina: I. Honestly, I haven't. I don't know. Why would they want. Okay, let me think. I put the heavy go. He chose.

Jack: He chose.

Cristina: He chose because he wanted to know. I don't know. He was curious. Okay.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: He's curious. What happens to sinners? I don't know.

Jack: Brace yourself, because I'm going to tell you what the Bible says he went there for. But the problem is, I didn't need anything else. I looked for more.

Cristina: I.

Jack: But all it did was confirm. So then I just came back to the Bible. Because what I'm about to tell you is too cut and dry. It doesn't matter without the context. But we have so much context. The next two sentences I'm about to tell you are going to do a lot. I'll begin with the less important one, and then we'll discuss in both terms what we know and what the narrative is. Sentence number one, that's gonna shake you up and falls along what we're Saying when he went to h*** for those three days, one of the two things he did was release people he deemed righteous who were sent there in the Old Testament. Now, let's go. Hold up. Let's go back a little bit and clarify that this absolutely means Jesus and Jehovah were never on the same side on paper in the Bible. That makes no sense. Jesus went to h*** to free the people he did not agree Jehovah put there.

Cristina: Which. How. How's that possible? How do they not think the same?

Jack: Because you're not the same person, obviously. But according to the Bible, how do they. They don't. It's a bunch of cognitive dissonance. It doesn't happen. It doesn't play. Oh, no. He's both. And he change or what? No.

Cristina: How does he change? No, that doesn't make sense.

Jack: It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. It's not.

Cristina: Then he's definitely not perfect. He's so far from perfect.

Jack: Yeah, that would just be flaws. That would be infinite flaws.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He changed his mind every 10 minutes and he has no plan if he's changing his mind all the time. There can't be a perfect plan because he changes the plan every 10 seconds. You're telling me he threw some people down there and 2000 years later he's like, no, come on, I gotta take him out?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, no. Then your plan sucks.

Cristina: It makes no sense. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. You're building the plan as you go, essentially. It makes zero sense.

Cristina: He said there's a second reason.

Jack: We are going to unpack this first.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: We're not just rushing through this. We don't do that. We're gonna talk about the fact that Jesus, according to the Bible, is not Jehovah. According to the Bible, he went to h*** to free other people who Jehovah put there, but he disagrees with their presence in there. Well, that's crazy. Yeah, it's nuts. And specifically Old Testament, which brings up another conflicting issue. Yaldaba is Old Testament God. No, that's Jehovah of Dark. Before we found out who he was, it was the guy from the shadow realm. Is the guy who talked to the rabbi. It is that guy.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That was Yaldabaoth. He was the Old Testament God, and.

Cristina: He'S the one putting people in h***.

Jack: He's the one who put those people. He took them to the shadow realm.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: He took these people to the shadow realm and Jesus went and got him.

Cristina: Why did he take them to the shadow realm?

Jack: They were prisoners of his These are the people he did not like. These are the people who did things he did not approve of. These are prisoners. Jesus knew where to find out about prison, bare minimum and free people. Let's. That's the thought that should be coming to your mind. He knew exactly where to go when he died. It only took him three freaking days to get there, save them, and be like, I'm good.

Cristina: How? How?

Jack: Think of the ability to zone into some s*** everybody else has been looking for. And he did it in three f****** days.

Cristina: He's more supernatural than the shadow realm creatures.

Jack: So by miles. By miles, you found the highest thing within the these two realms. At least in three days. I am assuming he found them on the first day and it just took him three days to get back because the third day is when we saw him. So bare minimum took him like two days. And assuming he did more than just that, he might have just gotten their freedom instantly.

Cristina: Do you have any idea how many people there were that he showed up with?

Jack: No. They were unimportant. They were just prisoners of that time.

Cristina: How do people not think that's crazy? He came back from the dead with people.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Or did they go to heaven? Like, what's the story of what happened to the people he saved from h***? Did they come back to life in Earth or did they go straight to heaven?

Jack: Unclear. I didn't care gives a s***. I was more impressed about like, that's. If we had the answer to that question, what would that even mean? It'd be a bullshit lie. They went to heaven. What does that mean? Nothing. Nothing. That's useless information.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And if they were just freed out here, then. Okay, you zombies set people free.

Cristina: I don't know. That'd be strange.

Jack: Are many other jinn out here? They wouldn't be the first. They're definitely not. The last is just normal nothing. The action itself is what's weird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Not the people. What happens to them? Who cares? Because like, who cares? It's just people. He found them in two days.

Cristina: That is pretty.

Jack: In the shadow realm. That's already described as a convoluted mirror house.

Cristina: Yes. But also, I don't know how much is it because it seems like people could easily travel it also, I don't know. It seems like if you. You just stumble upon it, you know where you're going.

Jack: Well, I guess not really enough times. It like anything else, you'll become familiar.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: How do you become familiar in two days?

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: The judge got lost.

Cristina: The judge got it was his sister who just knew he.

Jack: No, his sister didn't just know. He showed his sister.

Cristina: Oh, after he got lost?

Jack: Yeah, he got lost in there. He then started using that after he got familiar with and then he showed his sister. People find these things by accident. They get.

Cristina: So how does Jesus.

Jack: How would he. Unless it wasn't his first shot there.

Cristina: I guess not. I'm guessing because he did make the portals beforehand, he could have just been.

Jack: Dipping in and out at casual moments. But those portals don't work. Those portals are one way. So how was he getting over there?

Cristina: How did he as a necromancer?

Jack: Well, we don't actually. We're assuming he's a necromancer. And this adds to that for sure. For sure. But we don't actually know he is.

Cristina: But if he is, he could go back and forth.

Jack: Yeah, Easily. Easily, easily. And he could kind of go. He wouldn't even need to walk the shadow realm. He could live.

Cristina: Doesn't make sense because like he can live forever as a necromancer.

Jack: Exactly. And when I explained the other part to you, it's obvious that the death was important. So he couldn't actually get in there. He was legitimately struggling to get to the shadow realm.

Cristina: Then how did he figure it out?

Jack: How do you figure it out? What did he know? How? How did he know?

Cristina: How did he know? Does he have a portal?

Jack: But for a fact, even within the Bible, not even going anywhere else we can factually determine. Yes. Jesus is not in accordance with Yaldabaoth AKA Jehovah of Dark. He went and freed those things in second. He could find them. Yaldaba is hiding. Yalda is hiding. I don't know if the Elysians are hiding. Yalda is hiding.

Cristina: Why? It feels like he just wanted to make an enemy for no reason. Unless there's a reason for him doing that.

Jack: He didn't want to make an enemy. He created the entire earthrealm to watch actual Elfame consciousness find its way out of the program so that he himself could replicate. Wasn't any of those things. It was just how are they doing it? So I can see and do it.

Cristina: But why would he do it? That's just so crazy that he would just that for like how did he know where they were? Why would he do it?

Jack: Where they were? All of these things? For sure?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I think Jesus person only knew Hermes Trismegistus.

Cristina: Why do you think that?

Jack: If he's a necromancer and we can't find any other teachers and it's likely there's only one. It's Hermes. Which means if Jesus is a necromancer, he had to learn it from Hermes unless he himself made his own version of it. But we would know about that.

Cristina: But we know there's a Hermes version of Hermes in the Bible. He's a character.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. So was he around Jesus this time? I mean, I guess he's been around all this.

Jack: No, he shows up later.

Cristina: Later.

Jack: Actual Hermes, according to actual narrative, shows up much later.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And he's mentioned as a philosopher. He's not an important person.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: And actually, I don't think he shows up in the canon books of the Bible.

Cristina: Okay, whatever.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He shows up in other books.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That talk about the people around. But none of that is the point. The second thing is the most important thing here. Because the second thing, first thing gave us all the answers we needed for a million things we. We knew without proof. Now we know, like, yeah, they don't like each other. They can't. They're not the same person. This literally in words in the book that people are like, no, they are. No, the book told you they're not.

Cristina: Yeah, obviously.

Jack: Like, the book is literally telling you there's three guys here. That big guy, the new big guy, that big guy, the old big guy, and this guy who you're calling both of those guys, and he apparently doesn't agree with s***. Either of them do agree with anything they've ever done. Crazy. None of that matters. All of that, as dense and rich in information as that is matters next to the next sentence, because the next sentence is an oh, is everybody horrified? Situation.

Cristina: Is what?

Jack: Everybody's horrified.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're scared of Jesus. I know for a fact they're scared to Jesus.

Cristina: Who are they?

Jack: Everybody.

Cristina: Everybody.

Jack: Everybody. You were right. Everybody's hiding from Jesus. Everybody's. There's nobody not hiding from Jesus because there's a lot of people fighting to make a lot of different powers. You know what this guy went did when he went to h***? His second objective was rescue these other people. That was the second objective. He was just there. That was day two. I know I was exaggerating. I'm fully aware. He saved the first goal and did it in the first day, maybe in like two hours. He went down there, somehow found Yaldabaoth's f****** bowser castle or some s*** down there. I don't f****** know. And then he got to the guy's prison, not only just freed all these individuals, the main quest was to Acquire Adam and Eve who were in h***, AKA the shadow realm that Yaldabao somehow acquired. What?

Cristina: But don't they.

Jack: In the Bible it literally says Jesus went to h*** to save Adam and Eve and the righteous from the Old Testament. He instantaneously acquired them too. And then was like I'm here.

Cristina: How does that make sense? Everything. He has Adam and Eve.

Jack: He has Adam and Eve.

Cristina: But we thought those other people had.

Jack: What the Alicians had Adam and Eve.

Cristina: I guess they had.

Jack: They had. Now let me reiterate that Jesus easily found Yaldabaoth's prison, freed a bunch of people and acquired Adam and Eve wherever Yaldabaoth hid them. Meaning we know Yaldabaoth had his own stone as well. The Bible tells us about Adam and Eve because the Bible only knows knows about Adam and Eve. But Jesus was there. Why would he only take Adam and Eve?

Cristina: That's how they put it.

Jack: That's how they put it.

Cristina: They don't know anything else.

Jack: We know he has a lot more. We know he has a lot more and not really a lot more, but it's powerful and it's arguably the first one.

Cristina: How. How. How did it end up. How did they end up there?

Jack: How did they end up there? So presumably because just with this we have a lot of story given to us at some point. Yaldabaoth actually got it from the Elysians and we have not uncovered that story. There must have been a battle or an invasion or something. And Yaldabaoth acquired the. The philosopher stones that the Alicians had. Adam and Eve are both in or were in possession of Yaldabaoth. Somehow he got them. I have no idea how. We've not seen a crumb of this story until right now.

Cristina: Yeah, I mean they probably. He didn't probably have to fight them if he made them to make that in the first place. Right.

Jack: Like his might be stronger than he is. So how do you just take it from them?

Cristina: Maybe it was a pact between him and the first guy. I forgot his name.

Jack: Loi.

Cristina: Loi. There you go. Like come on.

Jack: No, he dipped on them.

Cristina: That's what they. That's the only thing we know. We don't know if there was some.

Jack: Then you'd be adding complete uncon. Like things. We have nothing to back.

Cristina: We don't have no epic battle happening either. Over.

Jack: Well, those are all these. I'm just spitballing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: These are all theories. Yes, but it was sounding like you were. No, this is definitely the case. But no, if it's a Theory perfectly fine. Because who knows? Who knows what the possibility is? It's. The problem is that there is no ability to tell. Again, we have. We don't see a battle. I don't know where that is. And if it is, and we'll stumble upon it in the future. We haven't. Yeah, we don't know. We didn't see him, like, going off anybody. We don't know that they handed it to him. We just. All we get is Jesus stealing it from him suddenly. Like, what? Not even from them? From him.

Cristina: From him.

Jack: It's like, whoa, I didn't even know he had it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I thought he ran away. He's just chilling with it.

Cristina: He's just chilling with it. How's that possible?

Jack: Or he did leave, and you can't leave with it because it's part of the program. If you're leaving the program, how would.

Cristina: You take it out? Yeah, I guess you wouldn't take it with you. It's. It's just to help him get out. So. Yeah, it may have been easier for him to steal them. But then why didn't the other.

Jack: Why didn't anybody else know? He had to be there, bro. Or he could detect it in a way they can't.

Cristina: Or whoever is protecting it should still, like. Even though he left, it was probably still so protected that no one else tried.

Jack: And then Jesus effortlessly just cruised in there in like 15 minutes after dying and just got it.

Cristina: Yeah, well, there's something else happening with him. We don't know.

Jack: Yeah, no, there's a lot going on. But tell me this isn't like a bomb drop. This is crazy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: How the h*** did we just, within one story, find out that this moved two hands?

Cristina: This makes a lot of sense, I guess.

Jack: It makes so much sense to a lot of things. Like the Naoa Shinto game. Makes absolute sense. Assuming you couldn't get there for whatever reason you orchestrated, planned and executed your entire death to get there, steal that s*** and come back.

Cristina: But how did he know?

Jack: Well, he was talking a bunch of blasphemous s***. Just walk around. If there is no if. Everything is censorship. You just go outside and start screaming anti government s***. Then they killed him.

Cristina: No, I mean how did he know where it was?

Jack: Oh, I have no idea.

Cristina: That huge thing.

Jack: That's a f****** problem. Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: How did he just know? He must have known so long before beginning the plan.

Cristina: Yeah, actually think he does whatever thing that affected us. Us. Not us, but everyone. When you know, he was. You think he control it he like kind of like. What's his name? The wizard.

Jack: What wizard?

Cristina: From what I know from crap. I can't. Author King Arthur.

Jack: Merlin.

Cristina: Yes. He had that special power of being able to time. To mess with time or something. No, write his history.

Jack: He slows down time.

Cristina: He slows down time. I thought he like. I thought he like affected Arthur's future or something. Didn't he have to write the story and then the story would happen or something?

Jack: No. He made Arthur easy to manipulate and then fed society a story that would eventually reach his ears. Which is all that the lady of the lady took advantage of and twisted the story even more in her favor.

Cristina: Okay, okay. Well anyway, because maybe Jesus can dream about that stuff though he can see into things that we wouldn't understand. Like Santa Claus seeing who's good or who's been good or whatever.

Jack: That is fascinating point. That is a really, really, really, really good observation, Santa. You don't have to call him Santa. St. Nicholas.

Cristina: Whatever.

Jack: St. Nicholas does have an ability to either stop time and live from his perspective years and years and years and see everybody within, to us feels like no time has passed. Or he actively has an ability to see all things simultaneously. Which presumably is a little necromancy trick.

Cristina: Yes, yes. But then that makes Jesus a necromancer.

Jack: He would be born as a necromancer.

Cristina: Yeah, he wouldn't even need a teacher. Why?

Jack: Because necromance, you're not. It's not a race, it's. It's a discipline.

Cristina: Yes. And also they could. They don't need to die. They all. No, wait, they do die. They die.

Jack: And if he was a necromancer, he wouldn't need to. He wouldn't need anything to get into the shadow realm. His skills could get him there. He's not a necromancer. That's the only. All these things are pointing at. He's not a necromancer. So we have some other problem. He actually most likely knew Hermes and is still not a f****** necromancer and is still the next thing over. A necromancer.

Cristina: He's so similar. It's something.

Jack: We got three necromancers and one Jesus. There are less Jesus, whatever the h*** he is.

Cristina: How's he not a necromancer? I feel like everything makes him seem like one.

Jack: Him needing to die to enter the shadow realm immediately violates that.

Cristina: But they all needed to die to start living forever, I guess. They had human lives, they became necromancers. They died. Or some other like we don't know the steps.

Jack: Fair, fair, fair, fair. Maybe it was a two birds with one stone situation. Maybe I can easily get into the shadow realm, but I haven't achieved my immortality yet. So when I die because they crucify me, two birds, one stone. I'll be where I'm going anyways.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And I'll finally achieve the last step of this metamorphosis.

Cristina: I think that sounds right. That could definitely be a necromancer.

Jack: It could have been the last step towards becoming a necromancer for sure. Because we follow the stories after he returns. And now we're talking about some trippy as balls s*** dude showing up in furnaces and just hanging out with guys. People seeing his face in the clouds, him just rolling up in impossible locations. You're on a boat, he just walked out of nowhere.

Cristina: Stories from when he was alive.

Jack: No, people saw visions of him forever.

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: Yeah, most of the stories are quoted. Yes. Oh, but there's a bunch of stories of him being seen afterwards that's so crazy. Which could fall in line with being a necromancer. So he's a necromancer on top of whatever the h*** he was to begin with. He's abusing Elysian blood. Yes, while abusing human blood.

Cristina: Because he's also have humans now. Right.

Jack: Also, I think in this discussion we have come to the answer for why a Nephilim is illegal. And it's because a human is the only person who can become a necromancer.

Cristina: And because he's part human.

Jack: Oh, yes. His human part is the necromancer part. And Elysians cannot be a necromancer. None of their technology can so much as scratch the overpowered nature of a necromancer.

Cristina: He's. Oh my gosh, he's so overpowered. And it's because he's an ephem, but also necromancer.

Jack: Oh my gosh, He's a necromancer.

Cristina: Nephilim, he's everything they fear. If they fear things, this has to be the thing.

Jack: Weirdly enough, according to the Holy Bible, by definition at this point, he's the Antichrist. Right? He's all of the characteristics of all of the things, which is the beast.

Cristina: He is the.

Jack: He's literally the beast. The Bible both tells us the light bringer, Lucifer and the bearer of light, Jesus, are different people, but they give us the same f****** descriptor.

Cristina: Kidding me? I don't know. They're not very bright about it. Okay, I don't Know, they're not. They're not thinking about it. It's written by a million of different people. Like no one's connecting the dots or they're doing the really. I don't know. I wouldn't say. The best that they can.

Jack: It was a legitimate huge effort to make Jesus look right and make Lucifer look bad. And you have to. There's too much evidence of the events that you. None of the events you're claiming happened. We can prove all the events. You're like, put it. You gotta think of it differently. All of those events have a record. So they're like, no, don't look at it like that. Look at it our way. It's like. But your way is made up. I could just read what happened. I could just. Look, somebody recorded it. And what you say, nobody agrees on, but records agree with each other. And if we just take the Bible's context and then bounce it off of those very things, Jesus might must either be the bad guy or the devil.

Cristina: Okay, but if he's the Antichrist, that's really strange. The Christ is the Antichrist. What does that even mean?

Jack: There was never a Christ.

Cristina: There was never a Christ.

Jack: There's no such thing as an Antichrist. There is only Christ. The evil.

Cristina: Oh, nice.

Jack: The illusion. What do they say? The best trick the devil ever performed is convincing you he doesn't exist. We're talking. We're not talking about the Devil anymore. Is that quote of a wise man once told me, don't squander it. I'm wise man. Something like that. Stupid comment is the same idea here with Jesus.

Cristina: That is crazy. That's crazy.

Jack: The same way that Lucifer's greatest trick was convincing you he didn't exist according to the Bible. Also. Also what? A phrase made up to convince you that, well, you finding no proof of Lucifer is more proof of his existence.

Cristina: Just like God. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: And whatever you find about Jesus. No, Lucifer told you because the truth is in the book, regardless of what. So intentional. So intentional. No, everything is a lie. If somebody was there, they saw it for a sign, they recorded it. Lie. What's in the Bible is true. It's like. No, no, no. The Bible is people who wrote it right from the time, eyewitnesses. That's why it's true. Yeah, well, this guy was from the society that invented at that time, record keeping. And he says that didn't happen. So this guy who had no stake in it is lying, obviously. And that guy who has all the stake in it is totally telling the truth clearly, clearly, clearly, clearly Only makes sense.

Cristina: He's not profiting off of all of us lies. These lies. Oh, my gosh. Wow. Okay, so, okay, that's what he did in those three days.

Jack: That's what he did in three days. He went to h***, got Adam and Eve freed a bunch of Old Testament prisoners, showed up in Japan, continued his life.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: The Bible tells us this.

Cristina: I thought. But in the. The story, I guess. Doesn't it end with him going to heaven or. No, in. Yeah, they see him float up.

Jack: Oh, biblically speaking, yes. He sees everybody and then he ascend.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay, but that sounds like a lie. And records tell us otherwise.

Cristina: Okay, that is part of the story.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we can follow him until he dies of old age in India. So, like, come on, please. There's records out there of this guy and literally traceable lines. You could just follow every step he took. Because he traveled primarily through places where people kept records. It. It was invented and they were just keeping records. And he was there.

Cristina: And he's not dead de. Because he can live forever. Like, that was when he really decided to not be in the picture of anyone's lives dead.

Jack: Because he was Biblically, when he transcends.

Cristina: No, when he's that guy in India.

Jack: When he's that guy in India and he dies, that just means he left the program. Oh, that's what death would be, is leaving the program for these individuals. That seems to be especially if you're hanging out with individuals from Elfame who are from outside the program.

Cristina: Then did they end up getting Adam and Eve after that? Because, like, what happens to Adam and Eve after he leaves the program?

Jack: Well, theoretically, the same way, like Yaldabaoth, that we assume that if he did get out, he can still have access to it because he himself is a program. So there's no way he'd fully 100% remove himself. It's impossible. So it's possible he can still use it, but he doesn't directly connect with us. It's possible that now, after the transcendent moment from India, he actually closer embodies the God that people were picturing and wrong about the whole way there, where he kind of. Yeah, he could tamper with it. As some sort of super elite AI, he's likely just capable of manipulating everything from the outside.

Cristina: that's pretty cool. I guess. So he probably still has Adam and Eve.

Jack: I don't. I don't know. I don't know. What would be the use if you could control everything.

Cristina: I Don't know.

Jack: But maybe they were necessary to. Or maybe not. Maybe they're not necessary to escape. Maybe they were just a byproduct of experimentation and allows for immense power. You don't need to take them out while you're here. They're useful.

Cristina: So many questions. Like, why would he need them? That's a good question though too. Like, did he make something else too?

Jack: Did he make something else?

Cristina: Because everyone seemed to. That's exactly what they did. They didn't just take them. Like even what's her name?

Jack: Lilith.

Cristina: Lilith did something with them. Like no one doesn't do something with them.

Jack: Yeah. Now as you're talking about, sounds almost like you're describing the unicorn, the alicorn. Like everybody's drawn to it.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: And everybody has to use it when they get to it.

Cristina: Yeah. It's just like.

Jack: Like how could you not Literally couldn't control herself.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: She's drawn to it. Like. Oh no. Hypnotized by it.

Cristina: Yes. For science sakes.

Jack: For science sake.

Cristina: And if he's the same as them, driven with. From science. Maybe. Question mark. I don't know.

Jack: Interesting theory. People use. Not even use. Being around the philosopher son is weirdly really. Really, really, really. When we were talking about adrenochrome, we were talking about. Oh yeah, its effects and behaviors feel similar to the effects and things that could be done with alicorn teas and whatnot. But we never thought about. Because we've only recently come across the philosopher's stone and really deep dived into that. But we really haven't unpacked the fact that the philosopher's stone is more identical to alicorn than pure adrenochrome. It's a solidified version of adrenochrome. Quite a lot of people involved in the making. Tragically, it has immense kind of infinite power. And before even using the power, people are addicted to it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Being in its presence the same way.

Cristina: They would with adrenochrome, except I guess for other necromancers. Like they didn't use their. They didn't use their stones. So it's possible Jesus didn't use his stones.

Jack: How do you know they didn't use their stones?

Cristina: You think Santa made some things?

Jack: He doesn't need to make things with it. That's just what we know. They were used for a function of them.

Cristina: It just seems like that's what they all try to do. I don't know. Maybe they don't all try to make life.

Jack: Yalda used it to Kill fairies?

Cristina: Yes. Wasn't he also making. What's that thing, that creature, the. The snake creature thing?

Jack: Naga.

Cristina: Naga. He wasn't using the stone for that.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He made an artificial Naga osteomorphous himself.

Cristina: Oh, okay, so he was not.

Jack: Yeah, the philosopher's stone were only used for murder in his case. Until he apparently got a hold of Adam and Eve, which I don't know when the h*** that happened.

Cristina: And what he did with that.

Jack: Yeah, we have no idea what he did with that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But at least we know it happened and now we know what to be looking for, you know?

Cristina: Yes, he only. He didn't use it to make life. So Jesus probably didn't need it to make life.

Jack: Many other things you could do with it. Infinite power. Do whatever you want. Everybody likes to play God, so they make life. Yes, but infinite power, way more you can do.

Cristina: I'm just not creative enough. I don't know. What's the other possibilities besides birth and death? It looks like we've seen like what is Sansa or St. Nick doing with his stone?

Jack: And how many stones are there, man? We have Yaldas, we have Adam and Eve and the theoretical third stone of flesh that was probably used in the making of Jesus.

Cristina: I don't know if every necromancer has.

Jack: A stone and if every necromance. Yo, now. Oh my God, it gets dark because we gotta think like. Okay, all right, so definitely. Based on the information we have. Definitely, definitely. St. Nick's staff and St. Patrick's necklace or and Merlin's necklace are in fact philosopher stones, right? Totally. Okay. This guy who gives children gifts has a philosopher's stone. To clarify, the amount of death just casually on this guy is absurd. If you have a philosopher's stone, that's the oh, f*** part of it. Like, oh yeah, Santa, St. Nick. Oh, he's so generous. Oh, but not if you're mean. It's like, no, don't worry, he's. If he wanted to deal with you, it would be effortless because simply of how apathetic he has to be to it.

Cristina: It's part of the becoming a necromancer, I guess. Because I think you have. You have to become one to be able to make one. Anyway.

Jack: Oh yeah, you're right.

Cristina: So I think it's part of that journey of becoming.

Jack: To becoming a philosopher. Maybe the initiation is make a philosopher's stone.

Cristina: Yes. What did he kill for that? I don't know.

Jack: If the initiation is make a philosopher.

Cristina: My guess is he killed things in the shadow realm, but who knows? Only because we don't know anything about him and death. But we know he hangs out with fairies. Or not fairies, elves.

Jack: Dude, who the f*** is Hermes Trismeguess.

Cristina: Really, really, really supposed to tell me?

Jack: No, like, I don't know, man, there's something weird. I don't know what, there's something off about what you just told me and it made something click in my head and it's like, nah man, there's something weird here. Because this guy. Yeah, it kind of. When you really look at it, it's even in parts. You gotta find your teacher to get the rest of it. So yeah, part of the process is you start and he will teach you how to finish so that he can witness the finish of the product and say, now you're necromancer.

Cristina: Right?

Jack: Okay, great, bro. There's a process that means there must be. Holy s***. There must be global events we can track that would fit every single stone. Realistically, things that would seem like extinction. Size level events. We're talking about overpowered f****** stones. True extinction of entire millions of people in single blinks.

Cristina: See.

Jack: So yeah, it's absurd.

Cristina: That is. It has to be happening, right? It had to happen.

Jack: It has to be trackable. That's.

Cristina: It has to.

Jack: Whether it happened. If it did, it has to be trackable.

Cristina: Would his be the first story is Jesus is the first. I don't understand though. Who is first in this?

Jack: I have a f****** theory.

Cristina: What's the theory?

Jack: A pretty strong theory too. I would argue that one stone was made when a meteor f****** hit the planet.

Cristina: Hermes probably stumbled upon it or one of them, I guess.

Jack: No, I would argue the story of the meteor is bullshit and other things happened.

Cristina: Oh, you don't think the.

Jack: Okay, I would argue that there is a crater somewhere and that we call it a meteor impact. That's what I will say happened. Yeah, there's definitely a hole somewhere where something big and maybe a lot of people could fit. Yeah, I think that was just a stone. Yeah, because I think the flood was another one. I think the Bible tells us how.

Cristina: Adam and Eve were made.

Jack: No. Yes, but who cares where all the which how many stones there are. The Bible tells us literally how many stones there are based on world altering events.

Cristina: We don't think those were one of those world altering events were Adam and Eve.

Jack: They were the product of a world altering event. Yeah, but there is the alleged meteor. There is the flood. There was literally an instance when people were told cover your door with f****** blood. Or I'm coming for your firstborn. And then he did.

Cristina: Yes. Yes, he did. That's a beautiful story. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Obviously there's nothing else that could be.

Cristina: That is creating a stone. Yeah.

Jack: That is creating a stone.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: All in one night. Huh? Huh?

Cristina: The whole city that got destroyed.

Jack: Oh, my God. Both cities. Sodom and Gomorrah. Oh, my God. Dude. Dude, that's the Red Eyed Village, isn't it?

Cristina: Red Eyed Village.

Jack: Yeah, dude, they're Alabastians.

Cristina: Oh, okay. What?

Jack: Dude, we really. Oh, dude. Oh. Context matters. So hard. Should just be once we know how to look for it.

Cristina: They're everywhere.

Jack: Everywhere now. Holy crap. Dude. Dude, those two places were like, done done. They were just wiped in that night through millions of people in the Bible. Blatantly, like. Yeah, them.

Cristina: Yes. So how many stones?

Jack: Oh, no, we're looking just based on the Bible alone and things outside of the Bible which are like three or four that we can put into frame. We're looking at like 30 stones.

Cristina: That's too many stones.

Jack: But there's a lot of weak stones.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: But there's also like colossal f******. Like whatever happened that night with the firstborn, that wasn't a big overpowered stone. Whatever the f*** happened in Sodom and Gomorrah, that's a f****** crazy stone. But those stones don't f****** with the flood. Do you see? We got. There's some tear.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Of like whack. And we know this because the stone of Adam is whack next to the stone of Eve. We know this. We know this for a fact. There's grades. And we assume that the third undefined stone of flesh is probably magnitudes greater.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Than Eve.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: So there's more refined ways to make them better with less trouble. And there is more life that can go into them, which seems to work consistently. The further back in time we go. The further back in time we go, the more people who have to die because the process gets better and less life in order to make it equally strong. Like technology. Again, better.

Cristina: Yes. So how. Yeah.

Jack: To the point where we know elites now do everything in their power just to scare people. Are they making stones when they're desperate? They topple a tower. They topple a tower directly over a completely planned network of trains and subways, all of which could easily be used to extract anything you would need to from collapsing, let's say the World Trade Center.

Cristina: Okay. So.

Jack: So we can still see potential stones being made.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And if the process improves and any life loss that Day could potentially make something overpowered the way you would have needed millions in the past if the process hundreds of thousands of years refined. That's interesting.

Cristina: Interesting. Yeah. So that means there are. There are there.

Jack: Without the Bible, there must be an absurd amount.

Cristina: But that's so crazy because there's not that many. Necromancer. That's so weird. That's the rarest then.

Jack: Yeah. Then the problem is then there aren't many stones.

Cristina: We.

Jack: There are many necromancers. Not really. There's. Maybe.

Cristina: I'm guessing the newer stones don't. Aren't.

Jack: They're fake.

Cristina: Yeah, they're like.

Jack: We actually know about this. If we look at a good example that uses the concept of philosopher stones. Full metal alchemist.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's real stones and there's fake stones.

Cristina: There's. Wait. Yeah, there's fake stones everywhere. People just using fake stones. Yeah.

Jack: And the fake stones probably still have the side effects of adrenochrome.

Cristina: And there were still being people, I think being killed to make those fake stones. Just not the amount of people you need, which would be a city's worth of people.

Jack: So in any case, the tiers aren't on quality. The tears are. Because you need a massive event. You can't really improve how you do it. There's only one way to do it. Yeah, but there's like five guys who can and they already have theirs.

Cristina: What does Santa do? I mean, like, I don't understand this man that everyone loves, I guess. But then I guess they love Jesus too. And obviously, yeah, there's something horribly wrong there.

Jack: There's something awful going on there.

Cristina: So is there something.

Jack: Also St Patrick super loved as well also apparently.

Cristina: But we know he was involved with mad murder. I knew he went to island to murder.

Jack: Yeah, he just offed all the shadow people and all of the elf kiss.

Cristina: Them is not a question.

Jack: Yeah, neither is Santa's. To be real, dude. The whole earth overnight. You got an op. F****** stone, bro.

Cristina: But how did he like, at least we can figure how he made it. What lives he took to make it.

Jack: Oh, you're seeing St. Patrick use this? He made the stone in Ireland.

Cristina: Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying.

Jack: That doesn't make any sense.

Cristina: Death.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no. This already doesn't make sense. Because they went to him for help.

Cristina: To get rid of.

Jack: Yes. Meaning he already could. He didn't go there and figure it out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He had was the last resort. Meaning they know. Oh no. He could f****** do it. The Elysians themselves are like, we can't handle this. He could f****** do it. There were fairies there and they were like, that place. Send St. Patrick. He's got it.

Cristina: Okay. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. If it wasn't that he went there under orders.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If he just wandered, then did a bunch of crazy. Oh, my God, I got a stone. That's different. But they were like, go in and solve it for us, please.

Cristina: So he had to have had the stone. Where did it come from?

Jack: Where did it come from?

Cristina: He.

Jack: He did not struggle, bro. And he immediately just turned Jehovah into his. Effortlessly. In the Bible, like, come on.

Cristina: That must not have been the first island. He did that, too.

Jack: He must have a reputation for this, because they were like, he can do it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Even if it's not on record. They knew, and the records say he knew.

Cristina: Yeah. But they didn't want to show that he just. What?

Jack: Wasn't relevant. It wasn't relevant to the story of what he was doing. Yeah, but they knew he knew, and he definitely knew he could. So How? How? What the f***?

Cristina: But still, it's not a question because, like, he killed mad. He killed mad people.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: You know, he's a killer on record.

Jack: Mad murder. Jesus on record. Mad murder.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Santa is an interesting one because he is very, very sneaky.

Cristina: Who's he murdering?

Jack: Yet he still has a stone and arguably one more. Overpowered in the same pattern.

Cristina: He does mad murder, too. And we just don't know about it because he's so secretive. Like, if he were killing off one person here and there every time he's delivering.

Jack: How would you know a stone like that? You can't. You need the sum.

Cristina: That's all these.

Jack: I'm telling you, these must be events of old.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they don't need anymore. They can live forever. I think. I think that's really the case. I think these are just situations where we probably have actual events we can point at. And if we can look at it hard enough, maybe we can connect the vents to the people.

Cristina: Okay. Because. Yeah. Like, I don't know if anything happened around his time, but it has to. Something has had to happen.

Jack: The issue you're facing here is assuming that the time in which his narratives are told are, quote, his time, unquote.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's when he was okay being known.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. Because he was probably around before that.

Jack: To be a necromancer. Chances are you did a lot of being unknown.

Cristina: Yes. All right. Okay.

Jack: Same goes for Patrick. Where he starts is Kind of hard handed, bro. You just, you just roll up and you're like, God, suck my d***, b****. And he's like, okay, all these people.

Cristina: Have stories before we got to meet them.

Jack: They got history with these individuals. They know them on a firsthand.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In a way that we don't. And they were date to the point that these individuals were embarrassed about writing it themselves.

Cristina: Yeah, there's something going on. Whoa.

Jack: So definitely necromancers over everything else as of now and then Jesus over necromancer. Super mega, ultra Elysian necromancer with every stone. Or at least the great original stones.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: D***, bro.

Cristina: He's kind of Adam and Eve. That's crazy.

Jack: And the stone of dark and potentially the stone of flesh, if Yalda had that too, which we don't know. We actually have no idea if that's even real. That's a theoretical stone. But we know Adam and Eve. That's on text and no. Well that's a f****** lie. It's on text from other people way down the line them. And that moment isn't on text. It's passed down stories that are on text. And the stone of shadow is on text. That all that we have. We don't know about the third earth stone, but like the existence of Jesus in the process that led to everything else suggests this was necessary. So like, so there must be a fourth stone. Yeah, that might be the only stone that these people still have. No, they needed all three stones to make them. Dude, after the creation of Jesus, something happened. And maybe we're, we're thinking they're avoiding the place because of the visions of Jesus and maybe that has something to do with it. But now that we know somehow Yalda got a hold of the stones, something happened in that same time.

Cristina: Okay, okay, here's another idea. Okay, we're saying he went to Shadaram because they're using the words h*** to describe the place, but we have no idea because that's Jesus telling them where he went. What if Jesus did actually go home?

Jack: Go home where?

Cristina: He went to.

Jack: Iran?

Cristina: No, where the sea people hang out, where they keep the stone. Maybe that's where he got the stones.

Jack: That doesn't make any sense. And what was the point of them running away if he could so easily do that?

Cristina: Well, he took forever to get there. Like, I don't know.

Jack: No, that's not checking out. That, that doesn't hold. Something must have happened at that moment. And again, based on your logic, this does not make sense. He went to the Shadow Realm to quiet based. I guess that's. I don't even know if he said that. It's the narrative as he went to h***. I don't know if he told anybody he went to h***. Yeah, but he went to h***, got Adam and Eve and whatnot. This situation would suggest that Yalda got to the Alicians first. So even if Jesus didn't go to H***, he went and retrieved nothing. He would have needed to go to h*** to get Adam and Eve, because.

Cristina: We know that he took Adam and Eve.

Jack: The Bible tells us they went to h***.

Cristina: No, but why do we think. How did what's his name, Yadabel, take the stones?

Jack: We don't know that that's what we would have to look for. But the fact of the matter is, what we found is that Jesus went there and got Adam and Eve. Keep in mind the stories of the Bible are to be taken as true, but warped. So he went down there to free these good people and you. They were sent there unjustly. In reality, he went down there to free a bunch of, I guess, war criminals and steal some s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now your suggestion would be that he went all the way to Elfame, not to Alfame, to Elysium. Yeah, but if he went to Elysium and he gets Adam and Eve, who the f*** are these criminals?

Cristina: Nephilims.

Jack: No, because what the f*** is Nephilim? How are you trapping a Nephilim in the shadow realm?

Cristina: In the shadow realm? No, if he went to.

Jack: Oh, he went.

Cristina: Wait, wait, why would they have.

Jack: Yeah, okay, so they. The. The Elysian. Yeah, you're totally right. So they're in Elysium and the Elysians.

Cristina: Then have Nephilim imprisoned because they plan to murder them. Because isn't that what they do?

Jack: No. No, they don't. I don't know why you think they do. They. It's illegal to make them.

Cristina: It's illegal. But don't they go hunting for them or just the people? Because they imprison someone that was important, that was making Nephilims. But they don't care about them.

Jack: He wasn't going around making a bunch of Nephilims. He broke a law.

Cristina: Which was making Nephilims.

Jack: Yeah, but also. Maybe if he shot somebody, he'd also still go to jail.

Cristina: But how do we know that Nephilims don't go to jail? I don't know.

Jack: For what? For being born, I guess. Racism could happen. Yes, I guess if it did happen.

Cristina: He wouldn't be there to save them.

Jack: Sure but also, they're Nephilim. How exactly are they being held?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: They got both sides required to s*** on an elation. How exactly is like, then Jesus would not be a problem. By the time he arrives, you can just get a bunch of Nephilim together and just prison them. Jesus isn't a problem to you. It doesn't matter how strong he rolls up. You could just stop Nephilim, bro.

Cristina: But he's not the same.

Jack: No, it doesn't matter. Let's reiterate how f****** overpowered. Nephilim by default, is just being this hybrid f****** thing that could use all the tech and has access to all bangles and people, and they're favored by the people of Elfame. There's no way that you caught these people and Jesus is the guy who then frees them. There's no way. If you caught them, Jesus shows up, you're like, finally, I've been waiting for you. We set this trap for you. Now we got you.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This is the only way that would play out. You caught a bunch. Enough. Get the out of here.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: No, that wouldn't work out. That's nuts. But I'm concerned about whatever the Hermes is. Manny's definitely. That's crazy. Like, what the h*** did he. How did he come up with this? But Yalda did it first. I was thinking about this, like, earlier, maybe halfway through this episode when we were talking. I'm like. I didn't voice it, but I was thinking, like, is Hermes. Yalda's, like, human form. He's just trying to. Just disappears. And then this dude apparently helps Loi come up with a stone. That. Bro. Come on. There's something. I bet Hermes knows Yalda somehow. I bet that's how he learned.

Cristina: He learned it through.

Jack: Maybe not through Yalda, but he not taught, but learned from Yalda. Okay, maybe spying on him. Maybe Yalda got notes or something. I don't know.

Cristina: Well, notes is possible. No. No, it's not. I feel like there's a story where they might not. No, they don't trust writing or something.

Jack: Oh, s***. Yeah.

Cristina: I remember that Jesus invented writing so that they would.

Jack: So that they wouldn't rely on the technology. That way they could pass information secretly.

Cristina: Yeah, that's pretty crazy and interesting.

Jack: Which is funny, because it suggests that paper is the future technology, not the electronics. Right. Because it was a way to do better than the electronics.

Cristina: Yeah, the electronics is spying on us. Why depend on it?

Jack: Obviously, until people are spying on you and you're like, can't get away. So the base, weirdly enough. Weirdly enough, based on this, these texts and s***, they were just dealing with an a****** government who is spying on their cell phones.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They just had Facebook. That's what's happening. And he was like, f*** Facebook. I'm gonna just notebook it. Cuz Facebook is in my phone and it's looking at everything. And I just keep getting ads on Amazon about some s*** I talked about. And like, I don't want that. So I'm gonna just send Mike a piece of paper instead and then I'll stop getting these f****** Amazon ads. That's Jesus summed up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He's like, f*** these ads writing. Yeah, it's a world of getting spammed by ads. It seems to have happened even back then. I mean, let's be real. Mary got pregnant with Jesus. The Elysians literally moved away to avoid Jesus ads. Yeah, they literally moved. They left the continent to get away from Jesus ads. Because you're getting them without ever subscribing to s***. Yes, Just ads for free here. F****** ads. You didn't even get anything new. There's no service, just ads. It's your life as it was before the ads. Plus f****** ads. Which I swear is gonna happen at some point. Everybody's gonna need neuralink to walk into a store.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Because it's not gonna open the doors for you because you're not a customer without a neural link. And then after everybody has neural link, you can't get away from the f****** ads. They're just gonna market s*** to you all day.

Cristina: You're gonna lose our mind. Yeah.

Jack: You're gonna be walking down the street and just an ad's gonna show up in front of your face and you're gonna want to get rid of it. But how?

Cristina: You gotta pay like an extra 15 bucks a month or whatever to just.

Jack: Have a normal f****** life. Anyways, that is where we are, guys.

Cristina: Happy Easter.

Jack: Yeah. Happy.

Cristina: Even though it's like late, but whatever.

Jack: So. Yeah, a week late. I mean, after a** so crazy.

Cristina: Well, after you listen to this. Save this episode for next year.

Jack: Yeah. And listen to it on Easter day. So you can keep in mind that Jesus not only went to h***, but he didn't like what Jehovah had done beforehand. And that if you go a couple of chapters before that, you'll find out that New Testament Jehovah is also on a pretty fu. With Jesus basis. So you can find a lot of people don't like Jesus in the Bible. You do. You love Jesus and you believe Jesus is great. But then the people who you also love, who aren't Jesus, think Jesus sucks. So. And Jesus also went to h*** and he told you to pretend to drink blood and he told you to pretend to eat flesh and he came back to life, technically making him either a vampire vampire or a zombie. And the blood fascination leans heavily towards vampire and the clarity of mind as well. So you're worshiping some sort of a demon.

Cristina: See.

Jack: Anyways, this has been Rambling Podcast. You guys can contact us, send us some messages to talk about this on our socials. That's that just convo pot on Tick Tock, Instagram, Facebook and more and other stuff. Yeah.

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Jack: Yes. And word of mouth tell everybody that Jesus is probably the devil.

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Jack: Bye.

Cristina: Jesus is the devil.

Jack: Sam.

Cristina: Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Colazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts, info, art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

March 23, 2024

Rambling 267: The Master Necromancer

March 23, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Who is the Master Necromancer? Where does he teach? Who has he taught? The duo investigate the case of the Master Necromancer who must have predated the events of Christ. The investigation leads our duo to stunning new revelations about old names and important information about new ones.

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Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And last week, you asked one very important question. I'm not even, like, building an intro here. I'm just straight jumping into the question you asked. And then. Because this is weird, bro. So last week, while we were going through essentially, St. Patrick and realizing that necromancers are a little overpowered, you asked a single question that really became a pressing idea because, like, yeah, really, really. We know that there are at least three necromancers, which means we have mentions of this thing somehow even more elusive than the Elysians.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And one thing we found out, kind of looking around was that in order to become a necromancer, there are rules for somebody to teach you, therefore, there must be a teacher. There must be. There's a guy handing out necromancer.

Cristina: So you weren't sure about that, but you are sure about it, or you're still not sure about it?

Jack: Well, that's what we're trying to find out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We're trying to find out what I'm sure about.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I have information I'm sure of, that much.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we're gonna unpack because it's a weird road and we. We maybe don't even have the time.

Cristina: It's that weird.

Jack: I mean, look, there's a lot of discussing to happen, so first we gotta go and try to hunt down mentions of necromancy, because necromancy seems to pop up weirdly apart. We're talking that, like, King Arthur and Merlin are happening so far in the future from when we think St. Nick and so. And St. Nick is happening, I guess, roughly, weirdly enough, around the same time as St. Patrick, which are happening way sooner. Year. Hundreds of years ahead of Merlin. But we think Jesus might have also been.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which, weirdly enough, he's hundreds of years before. So we. We know it's weird. It's like, there must be an original teacher. So we have to go as far back as possible. And when we get to Jesus, we're like, what's the other necromancer bro before him? Yeah, what's the necromancer before him? We have no instance. It begins at Jesus, as far as we know. Right. Oh, we have no individual that fits the characteristics and that we've by default Ended up defining as a necromancer. So now we have to try to find mentions of necromancy that are not.

Cristina: The people that we know.

Jack: That are not the people that we know. Maybe mentions casually that don't point at a necromancer necessarily, but rather just discuss necromancy. I'm like, where in history has this.

Cristina: Word come up necromancy though, what exactly is it?

Jack: As defined in common knowledge, abilities are included.

Cristina: Like a priest isn't a necromancer?

Jack: No. So okay, a necromancer according to common knowledge, like information that people have on average is an individual that connects with the dead. Individual that connects with the dead. They have the ability to raise the dead.

Cristina: They have not a medium they bring people to.

Jack: They can come. Yeah, they can communicate with the dead as well. They have medium like abilities as well. Okay, so they're all of these things. They're like the most overpowered version of that. Now digging deeper, what we've come to conclude is that a necromancer is an individual that can somehow traverse all three planes and has abilities relative to the science of every plane as necessary to simply learn the teachings of this. So you must have been, weirdly enough curious ahead of time and dove in into one. Have access to somehow getting information on all three of these, which doesn't make.

Cristina: Sense that they're human.

Jack: Like how it's the only requirement, right? It seems to be only humans can do it.

Cristina: Yes, but how, how is it possible they got any of this knowledge?

Jack: Well, that's the case, right? That would make you the exceptional human. That would make you the exceptional human because outside of humans they, this knowledge is common. You would be among the exceptional humans to have this knowledge of these godlike individuals.

Cristina: What? But like one of these things had to have. But then I guess that's the teacher thing. No, it's before a teacher is involved that this person would have this knowledge.

Jack: Before? Yeah, before the teacher is involved. You must already have been so curious that you somehow you, you must have had the curiosity that then led you to dig up information and led you to actually be so good at that the end. You'd need to be open minded on top of everything in order to break the barriers of the illusions built around you. So you need all those features in order to just qualify to be a student. On top of knowing Latin and other and knowing like all these super complicated to know ridiculous. Okay, problematic.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like how the knowing Latin thing zeros us in an area. Obviously the teacher must know that language that's obvious the point, right? The teacher knows a language, and so you must know the teacher's language in order for him to teach you. Simple. Okay, Basic. We're back in the same area. We always hang out now. Simple. We. We immediately. We ld it. We're like, oh, it seems that he must be in Japan because of this. No, not this.

Cristina: Right now.

Jack: And we use the trick he uses, like, okay, we're just gonna put it in random places, and he's gonna reply to 1. And when he replies, he must be there by default.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, duh.

Jack: That here. The reply here is, what? Where. Where are you from? What tells us where you're from? Well, your language tells us where you're from.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: We just zeroed in on him instantaneously. Oh, research.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. That was very Death Note. Like, okay. Yes.

Jack: It wasn't even Death Note. Like, it was super. Yes. But, like, now I realize how simple that trick was in Death Note. It was very. It was clever. It was done in an epic fashion.

Cristina: Yes, but it wasn't that.

Jack: But it wasn't deep. It wasn't deep. They delivered it well, which isn't in reality, I suppose. Delivery matters more than the content, Right? That's the reality of the matter. You can talk. Somebody absolute dog. If it's delivered well. That's. I guess that's the argument in video games, right? If the. The game could look like the game could do it. Fallout 3 is a broken mess. And nobody's like, this game is bad. If you could sell dog. If the delivery is. Well, it's. It's truth. The what? Is it the goat game or the goose game? Both of those broken messes. They're popular because they're broken, I guess.

Cristina: But the goose game's not broken.

Jack: I think the goose game's broken. The goat game broke. But that's famous because of that. Oh, it's a broken f****** mess. But it's not famous because it's a broken mess, but rather because delivery is on point. It's fun. It's delivering on the thing that matters. Meanwhile, these epic bombasts, the games that suck. You didn't stick the delivery, bro.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Which was the fun part. Whoa. Graphics. Where's the game, though, anyways? Back to thousands of years ago. We know Latino man in Japan. Oh, yeah. Because we were l for a second, too. Oh, wow. That took a couple of weird turns.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Anyways, so we're in our general region. Latin. We're talking Southern Europe, you know, Southeast Europe. We're talking the Middle East. Ish. We got an area.

Cristina: All right, we got an area.

Jack: We got an area. Now all the texts in that area, all the mentions of necromancy possible, all of the. Anything that you can possibly come across, and we go back so far that we end up predating. Jesus, that's good. That's good. We're predating.

Cristina: What? Latin? Is that old? Yeah, language.

Jack: I mean, I suppose. Okay, this takes us into the hellenistic period, specifically July 21, 356 BC.

Cristina: Okay, what's the Hellenistic period?

Jack: A period. Okay, That's a. The Hellenistic period is the name of a period in Greece that was in 4th century BC or some.

Cristina: Okay, what's happening?

Jack: So Pella, Macedonia, Pelamecon.

Cristina: What is that a name?

Jack: I guess so.

Cristina: A place.

Jack: I don't know how to pronounce a lot of this stuff. I'm gonna say that ahead of time. This is gonna. Language is gonna break down through a lot of this. Okay, I know.

Cristina: At least say if this is a person or a place.

Jack: This is a place.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And in this place, Alexander the Great is born.

Cristina: Okay, that makes sense. All right.

Jack: Simple things to note about Alexander the Great that are notable things about Alexander the Great. He was a student of Aristotle until he was age 16. He became the king of Greece in 336 BC at age 20, in 335 BC, he began a 10 year military campaign and he conquered West Asia, Central Asia, parts of South Asia. He conquered Egypt.

Cristina: He's a busy dude.

Jack: Busy dude. And he conquered. This means in saying he conquered that much of Asia that he also by default conquered Persia. Now we're touching both places. We need to be in contact for Latin, which we know is a requirement. And the connection to the Aletians, that seems to be important somehow.

Cristina: Are you saying he's related somehow?

Jack: Who's related?

Cristina: Alexander the Great. Is he part of the story?

Jack: Well, he's part of the information I've given you.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He's. He's definitely part of the info I've provided.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You know as much as I know. I'm re. I'm discovering this information as I'm going through it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I've never read any of this before, but he conquered Persia. Now we're touching Latin speaking people. Oof. And we're touching the ground that we know the Elysians are on. That's beautiful. That was quick. Ooh. Ooh. I l'd my way straight there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I'm so good. Kira doesn't stand a chance. I'm gonna have him.

Cristina: I Have Kira in this story.

Jack: The Necromancer. Oh, okay, yeah, oh, I got that, yeah. The necromancer. Whoever. The necromancer. Teacher.

Cristina: Teacher, yes, specifically, yes.

Jack: Okay, yeah, like the master necromancer. I guess that's who we're looking for. The master necromancer. Okay, so that's our Kira in this instance. But we got pretty close already now. 323 BC. You're not even ready for what's about to happen.

Cristina: Are you sure? Okay, I'm not ready. What is it?

Jack: Nothing important. He f****** dies. Oh, the end credits roll. Oh, yeah. So I was like, immediately, oh, this guy matters. He, he was topped by Aristotle. This guy started life easy. And this guy then became the king. And he conquered everything. He conquered everything immediately. What the h***?

Cristina: Ten years romancy powers.

Jack: I don't know. But he conquered places that he probably shouldn't be able to conquer. That's kind of weird. How the h*** did you do that? There are forces beyond understanding. Unless they didn't give a f***. There's no way they like f****** take the commoners. Whatever. You can't f*** with us. But it's like those are still your people, kind of, right? Even if they're like the bottom feeders, like, whatever. Those are still your bottom feeders. I think that's still the ideology that functions in people's minds ultimately. Like, f***. Those guys are not Persian. We f*** the lower Persians. He's not allowed to f*** the lower Persians, you know, that's the idea. So like, this guy is coming. No, we're gonna stop him from f****** the people we like to drop bombs on. Essentially. We're gonna wage war on the people trying to wage war on the people we wage war on, bruh.

Cristina: Wait, who is those people?

Jack: It would be the Elish. In this case, the Alicians. Would instantaneous, like zap, fry these guys out of existence, right?

Cristina: No, because they're trying to hide so they can't interfere.

Jack: This is 323 BC. Mm, well, until 323 BC, where when he dies, this is happening. So the Elysians haven't gone into hiding. Jesus. Hasn't happened yet.

Cristina: But they're there in Persia.

Jack: They're in Persia.

Cristina: They're underwater. They're hiding.

Jack: I don't think they're hiding. I think they're hiding their home. We know they've been around. They would just deal with it. They'll just deal with it. It wouldn't be a problem. So how the f*** did this guy do it? Unless he was A problem? But how? He just f****** died, dude.

Cristina: No one killed him off. How did he die?

Jack: Just casual. There's theories about it, but it wasn't anything like. It was this little assassinator. He f****** died of old age. Or he ate something that poisoned him. Or he got sick and f****** died of a. Just casual.

Cristina: No one knows.

Jack: Nothing. Epic. It wasn't like a f******. Not even a rumor, a crazy battle took place or. No, just.

Cristina: Why would they do that? If they wanted him dead, wouldn't they just get someone to kill him or poison him?

Jack: But it's like so anticlimactic and like you could just kill a necromancer like that. That's.

Cristina: That probably is. He's still human at the end of the day.

Jack: No, because we're talking about people who can somehow. Even if all the other things you could do and you can't like make it so poison doesn't work. Come on, bro, that's. That's where the knowledge breaks down.

Cristina: Yeah, maybe he was. No maybe.

Jack: No way. You're not catching him off guard. No, nothing. These guys control time.

Cristina: Yeah, he wasn't a necromancer.

Jack: No, it doesn't work, cuz you gotta.

Cristina: Die anyway to become one.

Jack: Yeah, presumably all the other mentions. We don't know of Merlin dying, but we know of Arthur getting weird abilities and having to. That by the way, was Arthur to some degree, like potentially meant to be a necromancer? He could have, potentially. Except the factor was he dies, he dies. He was the only one who didn't come back. The golem was different. The golem couldn't die. You could just dismantle him and turn him off.

Cristina: Wait, you think Arthur too?

Jack: Arthur might have had all the properties required, minus the fact that he was designed as a blank slate to be manipulated intentionally.

Cristina: I don't know. That's tricky.

Jack: So I don't know. But I know Merlin was. But maybe it's impossible. Maybe Merlin doesn't know how to teach it. He tried his best, you know, who the h*** knows? I don't know. I'm just spitballing, I guess.

Cristina: But Merlin. But Merlin's dead.

Jack: Merlin's dead.

Cristina: But dead.

Jack: Dead, dead, dead. He was killed by a special weapon sent by the fairy though.

Cristina: So it's possible that Alexander could have died from a special weapon, but a.

Jack: Fairy had to come and. But I don't think he was Alexander the Great. Doesn't fit.

Cristina: No, I think he was on his way and then got killed off because of that.

Jack: Maybe he could have been on his way he could have been on his way. So now we need to evaluate Alexander the Great because something must connect in some direction to him, right? There must be signs. So I keep following his story a little, just, you know, casual, and I come across the War of the Diode, the War of the Diodochi.

Cristina: Is that a place or people?

Jack: People. So to clarify, the Diadochi are rival generals, families and friends of Alexander the Great who fought for control over his empire after his death.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: And this led to. To the breakdown of all of his conquered territory of his empire into. Into smaller little faction empires of their own. He was the only man capable of sustaining the whole thing. He died and smaller empires formed. Okay, now, out of this entire group of people, there are many people, there's a bunch of notable ones. And out of the notable ones, they're notable simply because of their relationship to him. Notable in his story, essentially.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But there's two people who stand out in particular because he had some really close friends. And some of his close friends were among the people who fought to take over what was left after he died.

Cristina: Okay? It's not just his family. He said it was his family.

Jack: It's not just his family. It's family, friends, rivals. It's all of the above. Everybody who could possibly get involved.

Cristina: And his friends are names that we would find familiar.

Jack: We wouldn't find the names familiar. They are just. They're notable to his story. They're just like. If you were like, this is the supporting character that matters because he shows up all the time. Okay, those are who these people are. So there's some who are rivals, there's some who are family and some who are friends who are really just consistently showing up in this guy's story, in his life. And out of those individuals, there are two individuals who stand out in particular, not because of who they are, but because of what they highlight. Now, he had five friends. Two of the friends were isolating from his group of friends are called Ptolemy and Cassander. And the reason that these two friends stand out is because of the giant finger they point. Keep in mind.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Well, keep in mind the information is often in the scenario, in the cases that we work in, the information that we dig, it's easier to find somebody pointing at the information than finding the information itself. Somebody talking loosely about the thing than actually finding the source directly because of how secretive a lot of this s*** is. In this case, the answer was in front of our face. Both of these individuals also took classes with Aristotle. Aristotle Suddenly became important. This philosopher, we know about, this very famous philosopher, he taught both of them. He taught apparently a lot of people. Okay, so I follow Aristotle. That was, hey, I'm looking, I'm pulling at strings at this point. Like the whole idea broke down. I saw the guy conquering everything, including these people, and then he just casually passes away. It's like, no, it wasn't him. So now I'm left pulling its rings. But it was the right direction because we still touched both places that mattered. So I don't have to go anywhere. I just have to look at the crap that mattered. In this era, we still got the mention we're looking for. So Aristotle, known as one of history's greatest philosophers with contributions in theoretical, natural and practical philosophies, considered one of the most influential individuals to have ever lived. As a result of his contributions, things we know, everybody knows Aristotle as name for all of infinity. And all his recorded knowledge has been divided into two categories.

Cristina: Like what? What are they?

Jack: The two categories are exoteric and esoteric. Oh, allow me to clarify what these two things are.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Exoteric knowledge is knowledge meant to be easy for the public to understand and intended for the public to use. This is general use. Information requires no special previous knowledge to grasp any of this information. It's tools of thought and applications that ways to think about life and approach and moving through life kind of in a scientific way.

Cristina: Okay, simple.

Jack: Then we have esoteric. In modern day culture, esoteric has evolved into meaning secret knowledge. In their exact definition, as they were describing what esoteric meant, knowledge that requires prior information to comprehend. Often time requiring complex education to grasp. Simple. All the information that we put in that category, is that. Okay, interesting. So it just sounds like higher education.

Cristina: Yes, yes, that's right, higher education.

Jack: So this specific knowledge though was meant to be taught and used at Lycium.

Cristina: What's that as a place?

Jack: Lycium is a place. Lycium is a school, a special school in Athens, Greece focused on perennialism. Athens, Greece is a Latin speaking place at the time. So we're still where we need to be. So a school meant to have higher knowledge that to this at this day we call secret knowledge. But back then they were calling that very knowledge, we're calling secret knowledge that very knowledge. They were just calling higher education.

Cristina: Okay, simple.

Jack: But that secret knowledge, we're calling it secret knowledge. That's our meaning for the word esoteric. But that knowledge that we're labeling esoteric, what they labeled back then was essentially the definition. I Gave you higher education. It sounds like to us, their definition just sounds like higher education.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Okay, now, what is perennialism? This school that focuses on perennialism, Supernialism is the philosophy and science that suggests all religions, ideas, philosophies, and more are all discussing the same thing.

Cristina: Really? What?

Jack: One of the most important lessons of perennialism is that all planes of existence overlap and coexist in a traversable fashion, although not always physical. We sometimes say spirit, we sometimes say this, we sometimes say that. But the idea is that we kind of know it's all somehow connected.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This is trying to explain in a functional fashion how it is. What do you mean, bro?

Cristina: Is this the school we're looking for?

Jack: Oh, we're getting close to something, essentially. It kind of roughly sounds like you'd find what we're looking for here.

Cristina: Yes, definitely does sound something like that.

Jack: Like we're in the right track, right? That's great. Fantastic. Okay, so thanks to these two random guys, we find the Aristotle is actually who we're looking for. Aristotle happens to have knowledge that he's taken to the school, but his knowledge doesn't seem particularly impressive. He just sounds like he's teaching casual things because he explained the knowledge he's taking in, his contributions. None of it was like, wow, you've got powers. We're going somewhere where the smart people would be, the people who are the elites would hang out. So let's dig deeper into Aristotle. Right? Let's dig deeper into, in fact, where Aristotle's hanging out outside of the school. No, who's around Aristotle? Who is. What is this school? Okay, so we focus then on Lyceum, and prior to Aristotle, teaching at the school, there were several notable individuals to come through and establish themselves. Individuals like Protagoras, Plato, and Socrates all came through this same school, studied and taught at different times.

Cristina: Okay, Are they all important? Maybe. Maybe not.

Jack: Not a clue.

Cristina: Is the school important?

Jack: You know what I know? Everything you have is what I have.

Cristina: Learning about the Elysians in school, I.

Jack: Don'T know what they're learning. Right. This is crazy, because we got a couple of complicated minds hanging out all in the same place. Some of the most advanced minds, and we're talking to everybody we've mentioned, doesn't seem to stand out in any great fashion other than they were significant people, but they were significant for commoners. We still don't know any of these individuals that have done anything particularly impressive. So so far, we don't. We don't even have, like, potential individuals, but we might Be where we need to be.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. I got nowhere else. We came to the school. Nobody. I looked at these guys. Nobody was impressive. Nothing mattered. Nothing stuck out. And really with Aristotle, other than him being the connection to the school that we followed, nothing stands out.

Cristina: No way. Really.

Jack: None of these individuals in any particular fashion. But we can just keep following this, right? So the school was originally started. Now, this is where just following the school because the people didn't matter. So now it's crazy.

Cristina: The people didn't matter.

Jack: But okay, colossal names. How the h*** did not one of them stand out in some fashion? Okay, but names immediately started standing out. The school was originally started by what seems to be referred to consistently as an elite Greek named Apollo. Apollo Lysias, which is described in many texts as a Greek God. We're familiar with this guy. Okay, we're quite familiar with this guy.

Cristina: Familiar with this guy.

Jack: Now, Apollo, according to a lot of mythology, is a Greek God. Mythology says he's a Greek God, but our data says he's some dude who did some science y things with a bunch of other high society nerds. He's a high society nerd. I guess, kind of. That's what we're talking about. A lot of time. A bunch of high society nerds.

Cristina: They weren't disturbing, though.

Jack: They were doing. A lot of these guys were just Tucker from freaking Full Metal Alchemist.

Cristina: Yes. Yes, they were. They're doing some horrible, horrible things. But okay.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: He was part of that group.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Paula was one of them. He was part of those guys. We know that they had Naga trying to make Naga. We know they had weird. They were willing to do odd experiments on themselves and. I don't give a. These guys were crazy, bro. And so they turned out to be way more op than we thought. As you know, we ignored them for super long, diverted into other. We thought they were.

Cristina: They made Nagas.

Jack: Yeah. Until we're like, holy. Wait, we gotta focus on the morphine.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You guys got a couple of things going on that we didn't catch at first. We just thought again, whack people. Because they're not directly trading. I mean, they're literally only trading. But they're not directly friends in the group that we seem to frequent while digging through this data. Deletions. The Mayans, the Egyptians, they. Whoever else they associate with the Greek only seem to be associated through trade.

Cristina: Yes. As far as we can tell. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. And for. Because of that we thought they were maybe just commoners that these people were trading with. And although the Greek can't seem to track down the Elysians, I don't know that they're trying to. Alternatively, I know that they have tools where they're trying to find things. We showed some of their things where they literally have the ability to track things. But a lot of this was also provided by Jesus, which happened later anyway. So I don't. It's a lot of weird time things happening.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But Apollo, one of the Greek. Now, weird that the school is attributed to being started by a Greek God.

Cristina: Yeah, that's very weird. Okay.

Jack: Pointing that part out just like, okay.

Cristina: That'S the story behind the school.

Jack: That's the story behind it. We all just agree with that one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: No arguments here. We're just like, yep, but cool. Okay, sure, guys. Lycium is known to have had the first zoo ever.

Cristina: That's weird too. But okay.

Jack: The first botanical garden ever, the two first versions of that ever recorded in history happened to be Elysium. That s*** was just popping with mega science. That was the f****** place it was popping, bro.

Cristina: Kind of crazy, huh?

Jack: Right there in Greece.

Cristina: Bro was when he made the school, it was for normal people or were like the people that were gonna become the gods went to this school that seems.

Jack: The school seems to have started way after the people who are considered the gods.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It was way later.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: So I don't think that those individuals are necessarily associated with the school, others in the school having been. Because one of them is one of the people known as God.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Apollo, the guy who started it, is considered one of the Greek gods. So they must have come first.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Now, the research performed at the school. So like, all of their information, all their studies dove into facets that would later evolve into biology, chemistry, Earth science, natural science, astronomy, physics and more. So let's establish a couple of things here. And this points at something quite interesting about the Greek that is very identical to the Mayans, as far as we know so far. But I got theories on that for days. And the Egyptians in particular, which is they're all human. They all come from humans to some degree. These are individuals who use other means to reach their levels. Some of them traded, literally, and got tech from these people and came up. The Greeks seem to have kind of gone up themselves, or if they did get help, I don't know. But they're kind of up there too.

Cristina: The gods. Yeah, they're human.

Jack: They seem to all be.

Cristina: Once Upon a time.

Jack: Once upon a time. Human. Unlike the Elysians, that that story seems to come from a different branch entirely. And the mayans that I 100% have theories on what the h*** is going on with that. I believe they like, I don't know why everything else takes place in the same place and they don't. And we'll look into that. A different time.

Cristina: Okay, but you're saying the leash, not the elations. The Mayans, the Egyptians and the Greeks, the gods that we call gods, they came from humans. They're human.

Jack: These are people who either through technology, through some of these means outside of Earth realm, then they become through. Yeah. Or through adrenochrome or similar things, they leave what we understand humanity to be and enter a sometimes literal physical transformation. Sometimes just technologically at such a scale that there's such advantage.

Cristina: What makes I guess necromancers different? Why weren't they seen as gods?

Jack: Because people didn't know about these individuals. I've not once said anybody has even mentioned necromancy yet. No, but it's not mentioned that they don't have necromancy to talk about. That's why these people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: These people can't be considered something that doesn't seem to be anywhere.

Cristina: Okay. Is necromancy so secretive or something?

Jack: It seems to be more secretive than the Elysians and the Elysians are hard enough to come across.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We. But we know of many Elysians now after many years of looking.

Cristina: We know many gods.

Jack: Yeah. And we only know three potential question mark necromancers.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So like they seem to be numerically way. Like we have so many Egyptian quote gods, research team members that we only mentioned some of them because they were the notable ones.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There were many others that we just skimmed through. That same thing happened with the minds. There were just a bunch of random dudes that we just casually jumped through and same thing with Creek, a bunch of random dudes. Apollo is actually one of them that we just kind of just ran through because they didn't do anything of note at those moments.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Meanwhile, every Elysian we talked about, we needed to focus on because they all seemed important to some degree because they're only like six or seven total we f****** managed to name. That's super secretive. But also that totally aligns because think about most of those teams are built of outsiders.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: Most of the Elysian team, except for.

Cristina: The main one, I guess the one then their home base or whatever.

Jack: Yeah. We had Jehovah. We had asriel and as just two or three individuals. And then everybody else was an outsider.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: And it's like, okay, we don't have a lot of names here. But then we dive deeper, and when we get. We got three named fairies. Four if we include the lady of the Lake, and five if we include Brahma. That is also. So we got all two, three Indian mythology. Four Indian mythology, individuals. And one like a Germanic, not even Arthurian, one. Arthurian mythology. So we have five fairy. Which fairies. Which is maybe two or three lessons. And then even less than that. We got three potential. Everything else we mentioned is confirmed. Yeah, we got three potential. We don't know that they are factually any of this.

Cristina: That's true. Okay.

Jack: That's how elusive this is. They have to be keeping score. They're way more hidden than ever before.

Cristina: There might be three or four, depending on Arthur. Yes. No. No, not Arthur.

Jack: No. Merlin is an agromancer of a fact. It'd be Merlin, it'd be Patrick, and it'd be Nicholas.

Cristina: Jesus.

Jack: Oh, s***. Four. Oh, s***.

Cristina: I'm saying four.

Jack: And. Yeah. So four for a fact. And the teacher that we know, the question mark that we're after. So after we decide if we can track them down, we either have four, which makes them more elusive, or we're tying or starting to tie. Like we're catching up to fairies.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, I guess it is possible to keep score. Weirdly enough.

Cristina: Still no more fairies because we know the Fairy queen herself and her.

Jack: Oh. And all Rose and all of the Nagas, even if their AI are technically, literally extensions about.

Cristina: There so many of them.

Jack: There's so many. No, you're totally right. Holy.

Cristina: So.

Jack: And we know the elves, even if we don't have them, by names. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm actually sure. That's probably easy to find. I'm just sure they don't do anything significant other than be cool. And they're cool if you're like a geek, essentially.

Cristina: We should find them. No, but I bet something cool.

Jack: I bet there's at least cool stories, even if it's not impactful. Probably done some dope s*** eventually. We'll see. Just when we hit walls, that's usually where I go. And then we find weird things that I wasn't even looking for. But anyways. Yeah, so basically, the. The things that happened at that school. By the way, that school was led by Aristotle for a while. The library there. Yeah, the library there is called the Library of Aristotle.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So. Yeah. And Mo pretty much all of these signs were advanced by him, and they would all end up becoming all of these different sciences. All these philosophies weren't fantastic.

Cristina: Sounds like school.

Jack: It sounds like school.

Cristina: God made the school.

Jack: Yeah. Other than that weird. And the God didn't do anything impressive. We could just say that that's a weird translation or it was written metaphorically and that the God inspired the school, but they wanted to personify it in a more literal way. Easy to solve that problem. But now we have Aristotle and his library, which means they have a lot of work to go through.

Cristina: With his library.

Jack: With his library. And in one of Aristotle's earliest records, you can find the small notes scribbled on the papaya sheets that he used. And it depicts a conversation he had with his mentor, who's named only in the Greek symbols that look like an A and then an A without the middle part.

Cristina: That's supposed to be something. What's the description again? An A and an A.

Jack: It's an A, a normal A, and then what looks like an upside down V. That's it. Just an A and an upside down V, which is essentially an A minus the little middle part. So I'm like, okay, great. Okay, I run that. And that does translate to ap.

Cristina: What does that.

Jack: Well, jumping Apollo, Lysius back, you get those same initial two letters, which would then translate to ap. So he was talking about conversations he was literally having with Apollo Eliseus, thus debunking the idea that he was talking metaphorically or that he was speaking about being inspired by this God to do the school. He's talking about having conversations with his mentor. Yes. And his mentor is literally, outside of his personal notes, never mentioned by anybody, at least in any popular famous record that exists from any known Greek source related to Greek mythology or Greek history. I looked through as much as I possibly could. There is no mention of Apollo in any instance that makes him look like anything but the mythological individual. Minus. When Aristotle writes about him in which he's talking about him as a real person.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: Which means Aristotle saw him not as this transcendent individual, but as a sort of equal. That's all we really have to extrapolate from this. He wasn't seeing him as somebody far above. He was like, this is the guy who taught me. This is the guy I look up to.

Cristina: And what did he teach him? Did he teach him anything unique, the.

Jack: Things that he was teaching?

Cristina: Oh, okay. Just normal school stuff.

Jack: Yeah. He was teaching and advancing what he was taught.

Cristina: That is so weird.

Jack: So weird.

Cristina: He was just a teacher.

Jack: He was just. Apollo was a teacher who learned by working with the Greek gods, but taught apparently a guy named Aristotle. And Aristotle then shared his knowledge he got from this high society individual.

Cristina: A weird story. Yeah, such a weird story. I don't understand.

Jack: And Aristotle was considered the high society individual within his circles. So it made sense that people would come to him to grasp the knowledge that he got from the people who are high society in his circles. So he's high society amongst and then in a different circle, he's the bottom and he can see the high society people. And he got from one and took it to the other. Simple.

Cristina: That's cool.

Jack: But then why is Apollo out here just sharing the wealth? Don't this guy feel pretentious? But I guess these do. These individuals do fit the idea we were discussing before.

Cristina: They're all scientists.

Jack: They're not that they're just all sciences, but they're human. Oh, so they have that compassion. And you're always willing to stand up for your people, even if they're the inferior. So it's like, yeah, we're high society, but you know, even if they're way behind, we'll give them something once in a while. And this guy was one of the individuals probably more generous among them. Apollo.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Who decided, yeah, we know a lot. We can share some of the wealth. A kind of Lucifer esque individual. Let's share some. Okay, Apollo and Lucifer. Let's share some. Weirdly enough, Apollo and Lucifer I believe get conflated. I think they're constantly referred to as.

Cristina: A future thing that we talk about. More about Apollo. Let's learn about him.

Jack: Well, he's a weird one, right? Nice individual.

Cristina: Okay. Oh, Apollo. He's the apple. I thought the AV thing was going to lead to an apple for some reason, but. No, but that would have been.

Jack: Yeah, no, no, it related to an. Oh yeah, for sure. There were some individuals even within these other groups willing to share the knowledge. Now. Cool. We, we ground this guy and he's a high society individual. More evidence that he's not a God. Other than the mention specifically we had prior to that and this mention of him, but never have we gotten him mentioned as a mentor and personified simultaneously. This is a first anyways. Additional. Within the same series of notes we could find mentions of a man that apologies had unclear issues with but felt strongly negatively towards as described by Aristotle. In these conversations, AP was having disagreements with an individual whose initials were only J, E.

Cristina: Any idea?

Jack: J E, J E. Yeah. So I tried a lot of things, and running a search for all names written in Latin that fit these initials, we find that it's surprisingly rare, which kind of makes it pretty easy to track down because there isn't a lot.

Cristina: Okay, is it a familiar name?

Jack: No, because I don't read Latin, and in this case, it's Be. Latin and Greek are kind of really closely tied. So this is essentially what we're looking at.

Cristina: I'm not sure what I'm looking at.

Jack: This is the name that I landed at after I ran this search that required these two initials. I'll explain why in a backwards fashion. Hold it. It's yours.

Cristina: This random gibberish name?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: It looks insane.

Jack: So for the sakes of what we're discussing, all of this is going to be discussed in the Greek context that I've just given to you. Now, again, few individuals share these initials, and one name sticks out, which is.

Cristina: That name, but it's J. E. Something like that.

Jack: Yeah. So I run that through a translator, and I get Jehovah God.

Cristina: No, you don't.

Jack: I do. I get Jehovah God. Now, that means they're also referring to just the Elysian Jehovah, but as the way they would refer to the Greek gods, those people way above us.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So it just comes out as Jehovah God. He still sees Jehovah as above Apollo.

Cristina: Yeah, he's calling him God.

Jack: He's calling him God as opposed to Apollo. Except I know looking at that, you could tell kind of Eloi is being translated into Jehovah, because Eloi seems to be used as Yahweh, and this kind of looks like Eloi. You see the E. You see the weird random character we're not sure of. Then you literally see Oy. I'm like, okay, I see that happening here. So this is being translated into Jehovah because I know that Yahweh, the father of Jehovah, Eloi, and which is the grandfather, and Jehovah, which is the son of Yahweh, get consistently conflated one with the other. You know, they're always.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interchangeable.

Cristina: So you think this is not the right.

Jack: No, I think this is translating. This is what we're getting Jehovah for. So then what's the first part of this? It doesn't look like Jehovah or Eloi. This is something else. Right. So this one is being translated the God, I thought. So I decided to run them individually instead of as a name.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The first part, rather, the second Part is in fact Loi. Literally, it is Eloi.

Cristina: So you thought.

Jack: Yeah, no, that's accurate. The first part is Jehovah.

Cristina: Jehovah Eloi.

Jack: Think about that really hard, real quick. Think about it really hard, really quick. It makes way more sense than you might think. And we did not put it together. And it's gonna. It by default answers an entirely different question that we couldn't put together because we are apparently f****** stupid.

Cristina: What is that?

Jack: You want the answer? You want to try? You want a moment? It's important. It's really important.

Cristina: Is it obvious?

Jack: It's so obvious. But I couldn't see it either. The problem is it's so obvious it's invisible. It's that problem.

Cristina: It's so obvious.

Jack: Even the f****** listeners, once I explain it, are going to be like, holy s***, how did none of us see? Makes so much sense. Say it out loud. Just say once.

Cristina: Jehovah. Eloi.

Jack: What's happening there? Okay, I'mma clarify very easily. It's a first and last name. Now think about it. Does this answer anything for you?

Cristina: They're related. No, I don't know.

Jack: God, I hate that I have to explain some of these really obvious. That should have clicked it. Okay, let's string this back.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We thought Loi was living a long time because of him being way the h*** over there and him being way the h*** over here in two totally different times. We also eventually thought maybe hello. I is actually a title of some sort.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It'S a title. It's a last name. It's a family last name. Yeah, it's Yahweh Eloi. It's Jehovah Eloi.

Cristina: Because it's a title.

Jack: It's a title. It literally wasn't.

Cristina: So you found out that what we thought was right is right.

Jack: Not only what we thought was right, but literally what the title meant. It's a family lineage last name meaning through Eloi alone, we could find out what other thing they would attach to the word Eloi and land at different people from within the same lineage. We can track his entire family history because it's anybody who's labeled as Eloi in both spellings of Eloi and Elohim.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Holy s***. We just have a way now.

Cristina: The track is family tree track.

Jack: Jehovah and his biology we can follow.

Cristina: Okay, but the person we're following right now is Jehovah.

Jack: This right now just tells us that it's Jehovah that AP was having a problem with. And AP was the Greek Apollo Okay.

Cristina: That's such a crazy story. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. So this actually serves into not only clarifying the fact that we were essentially right about the title. The title, but a previous problem that we'd run across is confirmed here, too, that the Greek and the Aletians did not get along. There was always conflict one way or another.

Cristina: They tried real hard to work together.

Jack: They were courteous.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But did not like one another.

Cristina: Yeah. Is there any hints of what it was, that they were having a problem?

Jack: No, he doesn't specify, other than he was more focused on the mental state of his mentor and how, like, this guy brings him emotional distress. Which just goes to show that whatever Jehovah God, or now, as we know, Jehovah, Eloi of the Eloi family lineage, see, we just know that that guy probably was just real oppressive in a way that Apollo couldn't do anything about. I mean, literally, in the context that he words him, the word that is being tossed in seems to be God. I don't know if now that makes sense, because it could have just been the guy's last name. It literally is the guy's last name, or he's also considering their entire last name was built around the word God. Like, they didn't build that, but rather the word God got extrapolated from those people. I think so, like, literally. It's not that Eloi means God. No, it's that God means Eloi.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like that's where it began.

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: Yeah. That's what I'm thinking. That's why I think that translation happened. And this will. This would make so much sense because, again, the way he described the initials are weird. That was the weirdest part, because when you throw it and you get Jehovah God, this doesn't work. Initials, bro. You put it in initial form. That's weird. That's a full name.

Cristina: Yeah, you put it.

Jack: But then you run it and you get two different names we were sure were names. If you run them individually, they are Jehovah and Eloi.

Cristina: It has to be a family thing or not family. It could be a title. Still could.

Jack: Yeah, it could be a title within a family or within Elysians, but it's at least connecting a series of individuals that at least three of them we know are within the same family or are at least within the same line of work. That would afford them the title.

Cristina: Yes. Yes, that could be most likely it.

Jack: Yeah, that could also be it. I guess.

Cristina: They don't necessarily work the same as us. They don't have Names the same as us. Like we have a name. Or maybe just like maybe they could.

Jack: They're still earthlings. They're still intelligent individuals. And it's an easy way to distinct.

Cristina: Between our last names. Was our jobs originally.

Jack: I mean our last names. Yes. But we were the invention of a last name comes as a imitation of something. What were we imitating?

Cristina: Yes. So the gods had to have.

Jack: They had last names we were imitating.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Even Apollo had Alesias as his last name. And he was just the Greek God in the very text that give him a last name. Which doesn't make sense. It breaks the idea that he's a God if he has a last name.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Except he's a dude who taught you stuff, talked to you personally and you refer to him by first and last name. It's like, come on, bro.

Cristina: That's a guy who his frenemy was or whatever.

Jack: Like these people are grounded.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They seem to exist. So again, either we found a way to track a bloodline or at least a line literally now connecting that we can use to find other individuals from within the same line. LOI from 3.5 million years ago must have had a first name.

Cristina: Yes. That couldn't.

Jack: Was not it. He had a first name and we literally have just not stumbled upon it.

Cristina: Or it was. And he was the first.

Jack: Or he was the first.

Cristina: He was the first and everyone took it after him.

Jack: Yeah. Because of the big impact he had.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's significant to go after his name. He's Link. You might not literally be Link.

Cristina: Oh my God.

Jack: But you're now gonna assume this identity because it's your destiny to fulfill the role of Link.

Cristina: The church. You're the chosen one.

Jack: You're the chosen One.

Cristina: Really? It's not really. That works. Okay. Whoa.

Jack: To clarify, this in no way connects us to our necromancer. This is just other unrelated fascinating information that just happened to pop up as a result of trying to find a necromancer.

Cristina: Random. Are we ever gonna find them?

Jack: Big top dogs are at least in the vicinity of the people who would have access to necromancers. For a fact. This all checks out.

Cristina: Still nothing about necromancy.

Jack: Still nothing. Things that in looking through this information we come up with is actually that the term see people is a slur. It is used offensively to talk about the Elysians. That is the reason that exists. Sea people is a way to say f****** people from over there. Those m************. That's essentially what sea people translates to.

Cristina: To Them because they don't like them.

Jack: Because they don't like the se people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's always been a slur term. And we did that now. Okay, so our apologies, guys, I guess.

Cristina: That's so weird.

Jack: Yeah, but makes sense. It makes sense. It makes sense because why would they be the courteous ones? They're the only ones referring that way consistently. The only other mentions were people who also had conflict. Okay. It checks out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's fair.

Cristina: That makes sense.

Jack: Okay, Makes sense now. Now, one other figure is mentioned in Aristotle's notes.

Cristina: Are you giving me another initials?

Jack: No, this guy just kind of shows up in full name.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Hermes Trismegustus.

Cristina: Awful. Okay.

Jack: Which is often described in the notes as wandering the halls of the facility. And Hermes Trismages, if you do not know, is a legendary Greek figure, oftentimes associated with the Greek God Hermes and oftentimes associated with the Egyptian God Thoth, which. Thoth is actually one of the members of the sun gods. Yeah. And Hermes is one of the members of the Egyptian of the Greek gods. Just another casual one. We just.

Cristina: This is not a God.

Jack: This guy's not a God. This is just a dude.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This guy is just a dude. Now, about this dude. All this other data I've looked at, and let me tell you how this guy is put in the paper. He's written in two occasions as one, awaiting his private students. Casual, two, awaiting the pass. Sacred, hidden or private knowledge. He's the one teaching private things within the school. That's all ready for selective children.

Cristina: Okay, okay. Okay.

Jack: Now this makes it seem like Hermes was a literal individual in the school who himself was conducting research but teaching individuals. We know his impactful things that provided literal hermeticism. He's credited with developing hermeticism and the hermetic principles.

Cristina: Wait, he's that guy.

Jack: He's that guy.

Cristina: He's that guy. No. Okay.

Jack: He's that guy.

Cristina: He's that guy.

Jack: He's that guy. Now it makes a lot more sense, right? He's that guy.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It becomes a kind of like. Well, I guess we could have started there if we thought about him and like, worked back and probably got into where we were going real quick because, like, yeah, that's kind of on paper. Literally what you would need to know in or that's his beliefs given for the general public. We wouldn't know how to apply it in a way that we could use it. But he's essentially telling us an easy way to think about what necromancy is. Oh, if everything is one, you could traverse any part of it. All sides are connected, so you could move seamlessly between these states.

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: Like all of this is just discussing f****** necromancy. It's necromancy. Necromancy for dummies. And the hermeticism as we know it is her necromancy for dummies. Understand it. Meanwhile, he had a way of teaching people how to use it, and that's what you went to that. So he would teach both things, his hermeticism and deep hermeticism, which was necromancy. It was Hermes Trismegistus. He was the necromancer.

Cristina: No way. But do we know if any of his students actually became necromancers at that school?

Jack: We don't know. The only mentions of actual necromancy that we have are all assumptions. And it's because they fit the suit, not because they were literally other than Merlin.

Cristina: That seems to be. We don't have any stories of him doing anything. Necromancy like, well, we got to focus on him.

Jack: We were just looking for him.

Cristina: He has the knowledge, though. That's crazy.

Jack: Yeah, we got him.

Cristina: We got.

Jack: We got who I think it is. If he ain't in, at least this is the road. I told you. Just getting here. We have run out of time just getting to him. We ran out of time, man.

Cristina: That was shocking. That's more. That's. That's so crazy.

Jack: I mean, it's not even secret knowledge that's just out there. He really just published a public version of the thing, and it's literally the lessons he was trying to teach privately. So it was. It's not even that hard. It's. Here's the information. If you get it, you'll come find me, and then I'll teach you the deep s***. It's not even that crazy. It makes perfect sense.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Hence the exoteric and the esoteric. If you get the exoteric, come find me. I'll teach you the esoteric if you want it.

Cristina: Nice.

Jack: And it's like, oh, s***. It's not even that hidden, bro. It's just hard. And nobody's gonna do it. And so the three guys who did we know about and maybe some others, but, like, maybe not. And like, maybe it's so hard, only once every couple hundred years some dude makes it because also he will be f****** immortal.

Cristina: But like, so he's immortal if he's the teacher. If he's the teacher.

Jack: If he's the teacher, he's immortal.

Cristina: Okay, yeah.

Jack: Us no longer Hearing about him has nothing to do with him necessarily dying.

Cristina: No, because we know Jesus was having F names. And.

Jack: Yes, it's. Exactly. This even brings the question, in theory, if we actually know Merlin is dead. Like, weird. Like, that happens because the more we know about necromancy, the less likely that becomes.

Cristina: Okay, that makes awesome, you know? Yeah. He might not be dead.

Jack: Like, he might not be dead. They have this ability to just, like, poof. And now you're just gone. All of them do. It seems.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So, like, maybe he's just like. That was a close one. This.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That makes so much sense. Oh, my gosh. Do you know, like, it is what it is. Or maybe he's like, an outlaw or some s***. There's really little on Merlin. Maybe he's an outlaw or some s***. Why isn't he hanging out with Elysians? You're hanging out way the f*** out there, bro.

Cristina: But we know guys that don't want to be part of it. Like that guy in Ireland. What's his name? The one with the trees? He just wants to protect the trees.

Jack: No, he was sent there.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: You're talking about Mananan.

Cristina: Yeah, he said. He seems pretty private, though. Besides that.

Jack: That's his job. He's literally building an entire island that they have there so they can continue. His life is surrounded by work. Oh, he's like an elite scientist soldier dude or some.

Cristina: Okay, I guess. Yeah, I guess that's not the same.

Jack: Weirdly enough, I don't actually think he's doing the research there. I think he's the guy protecting.

Cristina: No. Yeah, I think he's just protecting it.

Jack: The people who are doing the research. His job is to overlook. So. But, yeah. Anyways, either way, that's where we are. So we. We got Hermes. And he seems like. Yeah.

Cristina: If anybody, he might be something.

Jack: Yeah. If anything, him.

Cristina: If anything, him.

Jack: Yeah, if anything, him. I don't know who else I'd point at, but, like, that guy. Yes, him.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: He fits that too hard. Hermeticism is essentially necromancy. It's all of the points you need to understand in order to be. Plus Latin, I guess. And know the tech. You need to know these ideas. You need to know Latin. And then I guess the hard part is you must find, learn, and understand how to use the technologies associated with all three realms. That part seems hard.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He gave you the other stuff.

Cristina: Can we prove he did any of that?

Jack: We can't prove he did any of that. As of me giving this information that we're both Fully updated on to the.

Cristina: That's the end of today.

Jack: Yeah. As of now. No. But he's our next target.

Cristina: Awesome.

Jack: He's the focus. If anybody he's handing out get into him. He's him, bro. He's. He's. He's either him or he's him. I mean, Eloise him as far as we know. But like. No, he would be him if anybody's gonna crap. No, he would be because these guys are more dangerous than freaking the Nesians, bro.

Cristina: Yeah, they are.

Jack: So he is him.

Cristina: He would be.

Jack: He might be him. He might be him. If him isn't from Elfame, him is from Earth Realm. And if. If him is from Earth Realm, he's him. It's him. It has to be him.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I don't think we have the ability to produce something more overpowered than a necromancer. As far as we know.

Cristina: As far as we don't know.

Jack: But also, it seems with power scale, crap seems to disappear. And if we're whittled down the four individuals, that means whatever the next power scale is we've not even seen yet.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And when we do, we'll have just one and no.

Cristina: Which is the guy who may or may not have escaped this reality.

Jack: You think he would be above?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because he's in the real world.

Jack: But so are people of Elfame. Fairies inherently are also in the real world. It's not like a feat of accomplishment. And all the necromancers can do that too. He's below everything we just discussed because he also needed all this other to get there. Okay, that's some bottom feeder as compared to the power level jumps we have done.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We're talking season one, Dragon Ball Z in the Saiyan Saga versus Buu Saga. That kind of gap.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like Yalda. Yeah. He seems scary when Raditz was all we knew about. Now does Raditz seem scary when you see Boo, it's like, no. Raditz is just a dude.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He could kind of be handled when you think about it in comparison.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: A well placed backhand by Boo would end Raddus. You know, like, it's okay. That's where we are. Hermes. He's him. We gotta go look at Hermes.

Cristina: Yes. What a name.

Jack: Anyways, I hope this has been informative and enlightening to everybody.

Cristina: That was.

Jack: And it's crazy because it was so obvious that Loi was a last name. We were so close without somebody literally telling us we were so close. But if we didn't say last name. We were that close because we knew a title of some sort. We were so close, it was like an inch away. That's essentially getting it. Except we didn't cross the line. We didn't cross the finish line. But we were there. We were as close as anybody else is getting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We found out Jehovah's last name is Loi and that all the mentions of Loi are just some title or last name. The end. That's it. Got it.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: It's either a bloodline.

Cristina: Now we're gonna find out, though.

Jack: Study. Yeah. Those are two things we gotta look at deeply. We gotta look at. Well, three things. We gotta look at Hermes, we gotta look at Apollo. And we have to look at the Loi title itself.

Cristina: That's a lot of crap.

Jack: Three important. Well, two important and one curious thing, which is Apollo. I don't think that's necessarily relevant, but that's just interesting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: More information, and usually the interesting leads into other insight. If you guys have any input or any information you'd like to give us or comments or questions or concerns, you can reach us on our socials at just Convopod on X, on Instagram, on Facebook, on Tick Tock.

Cristina: Okay. Remember to subscribe and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And word of mouth. Tell everybody we're getting to it. I don't know what we're getting to. It seems like an infinite hole.

Cristina: Yeah. Yes.

Jack: But there's stuff happening.

Cristina: Yes, there's definitely stuff happening.

Jack: This junk and stuff. Tell people about that word of mouth. Tell them about the junk and stuff.

Cristina: Yes. This has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye, Sabbath.

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March 02, 2024

Rambling 264: The Journey to the Far East

March 02, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

On his way to Japan, where did Jesus stop? Why were these locations selected? What did he do while there? The duo unpack some of the inventions Jesus began developing on his way to Japan where he erects the Shinto Gates. What the duo discover by having all the data at once is more than either of them could have ever predicted.

+Episode Details

The Trip to Japan
The Stop in China
Creations while in China
The Purpose of these Inventions
Paper
Compass
Shinto Gates
What was the goal?

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+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Sam Foreign. Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is a show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today we have some absurd and baffling ideas to. To ground. Obviously what you think was gonna happen, bro, but not for Rizzles. Look, last week on Dragon Ball Z, we were talking about how there was some stuff about, like.

Cristina: Were we not talking about Jesus?

Jack: We were talking about Jesus and how, like, Jesus had gone and been like a bunch of people.

Cristina: Oh. And he died. For reals.

Jack: For Rizzles. I think we found where he got involved. Died is a weird. In this case. But, you know, he transitioned.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: He transitioned when he was an elder man. He finally transitioned into a vampire. I don't know. I mean, I guess. You know what? I think he did that while he was alive.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Or while he was here alive. His loose term at this point. Because death stops being possible at some point. You know, that's kind of the issue there. Death stops mattering. So he's not like, dead because he's.

Cristina: He's something else.

Jack: Yeah, he's like, beyond, I guess. That's crazy, right? That is what he's kind of doing. Transitioning. Because death is only a concept that exists within the earth realm, not the shadow realm or not logically for what we think of it in the earth realm as.

Cristina: Yes. You don't really know what it is. Like in the shadow realm.

Jack: Yeah. Like if we die in the earth realm and we just enter the shadow realm. That wasn't that.

Cristina: Is that what happens? That's what it seems like happens only.

Jack: For people who have adrenochrome, which that means it's some sort of code or something. Or for people who have. What was the other thing?

Cristina: Some people just stumble into.

Jack: Yeah, some people wandered in.

Cristina: So.

Jack: Dude, what a weird method. Series of mythological events that are written and, like, dude, it strings across. I was a. I got like, a whole plan. I got a whole plan for a discussion. But let me, like, vent and stress about this. It stretches across the world, dude.

Cristina: What stretches this.

Jack: This narrative about this series of events and these people referencing each other subtly. Dude. And I keep seeing it, and I comb through crap and I see a little bit here, a little bit there.

Cristina: And I'm like, what the.

Jack: Dude? Like, how did you random guy in a hole somewhere know about dude over there Mountain that He's never spoken to anybody simply because of some magical deity who communicated both of you. And then we got like. Like, yeah. Sometimes like the Bible is. Seems to be considering that there's other religions based around like weird. Real. Right. There's real weird and whole religions are based around it. And you're like, what the is this thing even supposed to be? But at least it's solid. The Bible is just science's perspective and narrative on it. Outside the point. The main point being the fact that this crap stretches across the world. And like two completely random individuals with factually recorded things. They wrote the same thing in two random locations because the same individual told them. And then we see it and it's like those men could not have talked to each other.

Cristina: That kind of logic from the Bible.

Jack: Or men from like other mythologies that have like, you'll find one that's all the way here in Shinto and you'll find another who's out here in Native American spiritualism.

Cristina: Okay. Talk about something similar.

Jack: The identical same thing. And they wrote it exactly the same way. And it described the same thing in their own language exactly the same way. That kind of weird consistency of like this could not be a coincidence, but like what's really going on. That kind of like that stretch across everything. But then when you follow the strings, it's not even like mystical. It's weird. And like, yeah, obviously there were people that were better than us in the past.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But like the. In the level of webbing across this whole. It just baffles me when I go through it farther and farther and farther. Like there's no end. It's real narrative. It seems if it was a right you would just come across the end of the story.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because somebody made it like the Bible has an end because it's a shaping of something. It's a telling of beginning, middle and then. Yeah. But not this. It really just seems like a random series of things all interconnected.

Cristina: Still going on.

Jack: Yeah. It's just life happening.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And us investigating by looking at how they put things and worded things in it. Cross referencing instead of assuming that they were all one. And then you get a story where they're really communicating and having the same messages and literally sometimes saying the literal same thing. And it's like, what across Earth from Maya to Egypt. Get the out of here. Dude.

Cristina: That is pretty crazy. Yeah.

Jack: It's like, dude. What? Absolutely nuts. Anyways. Following that same train of thought that we've been following forever. We're talking about Jesus and the different people he's been and just trying to exercise the idea of like how can we approach looking at Jesus? But in doing that and having that discussion, I realize we can actually follow those same things. Right. So instead of following that specifically the individuals, I looked at what those individuals were influencing. And that's going to be a discussion for another time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Those individuals being, you know, Mithras, Mani and those people. But what I thought was a more interesting path to follow is not the names he assumed, but where. Under these names, I suppose would be the idea where and what or not where what specifically what it is. Other things like the seismoscope that he made in China or they started making China. What other things of that nature are there? If he's out here being sciency, are there other things? That was the question I wanted to answer.

Cristina: Huh? Are there other things like he made things and left them in random locations?

Jack: Well, the problem is how do you find this information? Right? That's the biggest issue.

Cristina: He's not him. Like he has different names and. Different.

Jack: Yes, different. This is why going by. This is why following these names of Mithras and Jesus and it doesn't make any sense, especially because he's not recording anything and these narratives about him are incoherent anyways. We gotta find the other way. Who isn't talking about a messiah like individual and is describing a sciency individual. Like the guy who made the seismoscope. His story was very basic. It's. My grandfather had some sort of research partner who was a traveler and together they were trying to develop it. Not some religious messiah guy or anything. You got to keep in mind he was interacting with so many different people in different ways. There are people who saw him as one and that's the one we're most familiar with. Religions don't die, they keep going. But ideas change and alter and we don't necessarily know who discovered everything or who made everything or who invented whatever the h*** you know.

Cristina: So there's other places that he was just seen as some kind of scientist or ever. You found some of these things?

Jack: I found some of these things. I basically used the quantum computer and asked it to find me grounded occurrences of Jesus across, I guess the time when Jesus would have existed. Grounded occurrences. This is any description that would fit.

Cristina: So it's not actual Jesus. Like in these things. Maybe some of them have Jesus.

Jack: The problem is it wouldn't make sense for it to literally be called Jesus because one, we're talking different languages, two were talking people who weren't considering him any kind of God or deity of any sort. People who were working with them perhaps under even other aliases.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: So essentially those mentions, every single one of these instances that we're gonna discuss right now fits the following. They all came from a traveler to the east. All of them, all of these specifically that we're talking about today were created in China. And all I guess, I guess we'll leave that last. That third detail is a secret for the end.

Cristina: Okay, but why is China the important part? Why is it all connected in China?

Jack: That's what we're gonna talk about.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's hopefully what we can conclude. The trip, if you must know, goes as follow. It starts at Iran. I'm talking current day territories. But if you want to go old school, Persia, India. So it starts at Persia, stops in India, then stops again in China, then stops again in Japan. Right now we're focusing on one of these four, China and China, because China had. Whatever we're about to talk about.

Cristina: Okay. It's a lot.

Jack: It's interesting. It's a lot. What is a lot? We'll find out how we fill this hour out. So it's weird. Important details to know. Jesus began preaching when he was 30 years old and he allegedly got crucified around the time that he was 33 years old. That's three years of preaching.

Cristina: Okay. That's important.

Jack: That's information. Additionally, Jesus Christ, bare minimum, the slowest possible pace. I did the math. Walking, walking an average pace, walking without stopping. It would take you about 108 days worth of a straight 24 hours a day, non stop, no sleep. Right. If you divide the day into three sections in which you, you walk eight.

Cristina: Hours these days for.

Jack: To get from. Oh yeah, to get from all the way from Persia to Japan.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If you were to walk about 104 days of continuous. You don't sleep, you're droned. It doesn't stop.

Cristina: Okay. Also considering the travel through water.

Jack: Yeah, Just, just walking. If he can. I mean he can walk on water. Come on.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Walking.

Cristina: He's just walking through the water.

Jack: He's walking a straight line.

Cristina: Duh, duh.

Jack: Of course he could just walk there. So you can walk a straight line. Never mind the fact that we know in all of the mentions of him, he has the ability to essentially leave here and pop over there. So he has portal technology done. But shortest possible situation, he's walking. Right. I don't know how relevant this is, but it would take him between coming from Persia and Getting to Japan a continuous 108 days. If you were to break that up or. So you have about 300 and some days, which is about a year's time. You'd be walking for about a year. If you spent eight hours walking, you slept eight hours, and you just chillaxed for eight hours. Because how are you making influences if you're just always walking?

Cristina: That's gonna. That's just a year.

Jack: That's a year. In one year, he could successfully walk all the way to Japan and have 8 hours in each day to dedicate to walking. 8 hours in each day to dedicate to just hanging out wherever he is and sleeping in the area wherever he is.

Cristina: That's ridiculous.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Especially how, like that math can make sense. Once he's on the water, there's no. He's not sleeping.

Jack: Very little water. There's very little water.

Cristina: Okay, so he's making that trip quickly.

Jack: He could probably. I was actually thinking about this too, because how is he making these settlements of people who will forever be loyal to him, Assuming he's walking at this pace, just messing around with numbers. I know he can move faster than it, but if he was just moving at the pace of a human, then you'd mess with it sometimes with the timing. Right? You'd make like, oh, for a week, I'm like, every day nonstop push through, and I'll see how far I can get. And then the following week, I'm just gonna. Wherever I land, I'll have an entire week where I don't have to go anywhere. And I'm just gonna talk to people and build this thing because I gotta come back this way. And they're gonna be here for me when I do that.

Cristina: Where is he coming back?

Jack: He does come back, and he's gonna pop up anyways all the way out there in Japan. So he's gonna have to come back after he dies anyways, which is totally relevant, as I'll explain later.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But it takes him a year. It would take him a year. Less than a year, but almost a year to walk eight hours a day all the way to Japan, have eight hours to himself, or to do whatever he wants with and sleep eight hours. Meaning in those three years that he was preaching, every bit of these events is absolutely possible because they fit within the time frame of those three years. Okay, that's crazy. It was a realistic amount of time. He can stop. He can take time. He can talk.

Cristina: Stories of him preaching, they never said he leaves.

Jack: Not the ones that take place with him over Here. And they probably only take place with him in a brief amount of time. Which is the dumbest part about this whole process in the Bible because that means you were this whole everything. Essentially. Essentially. Let's picture this how it really goes. Yeah, how it really goes. Cuz we gotta also remember, Christianity is just the one that could. So it's the one that got confiscated to defend. But think about the logic. This guy didn't really give a s***. He made a bunch of random ones and Christianity just kind of took off. He had no personal stake in which one of these worked out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But we also zoned in on the one that he made work and it's like, well, we gotta twist that narrative and they're the ones spitting it out. So let's take over.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I don't know what the problem was.

Cristina: I forgot the point too.

Jack: Yeah. Anyways, he could definitely arrange his week differently and had time to definitely control people. And if in this three year period he only spent one year in Israel, then like that still works because he traveled two years.

Cristina: You travel to you. Okay, okay.

Jack: Because it's a one way trip. That's two years it would take him. I mean it was a one way trip. This one year. It would take him two years to get to Japan and back from Japan.

Cristina: So are there any stories of these people that saw him again since he's going and then coming? Or is he going through different ways so he's never seeing the same people? This is a huge land to be crossing anyway.

Jack: No, I think he's crossing the same people. I think the point of these cults is that.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So you have stories like that though.

Jack: Maybe at some point I'll come up with stories like that. But that's for when we're talking about the. The religious names that from last episode when we're actually going to dive into their influence independently and what those people thought he was capable of. Because right now we're talking about the inventions.

Cristina: Oh yes, let's do the inventions.

Jack: Yes. That's the point of right now. The inventions that this man in that two. And the point is within that two year he stopped in China and had enough time to on. I don't understand how he did this. Was he just handing out blueprints to random. We're interacting with people in this manner where he was messing with the schedule in such a way that allows him to. But also he's moving quite quickly. Yeah, look at how he's just walking. We're talking high tech has the ability to do quite a bit. Doesn't have necessarily Elysian technology to their degree, but is an Elysian himself.

Cristina: Why give anyone anything?

Jack: He doesn't have to give anyone anything. My point is, how quick is he moving? Is this year's time condensed? Could he do it in six months because of reasons. Because of transportation and so he could fit more and so he spent longer in different areas that we're like. Well, no, he had to figure it out.

Cristina: Travel like Santa Claus or something. Like, how is he doing?

Jack: He's op, dude. These are two OP people, the way he travels. But Santa Claus is more likely than not just using Elysian portals.

Cristina: I guess Jesus could be too.

Jack: Not even Alician portals. He's using necromancer portals.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because he's cutting through the top to make it across the world instantaneously. He's trying to get right back here, but without moving. So he. He had some other s***.

Cristina: So Jesus can't be doing that.

Jack: I mean, he could be, but it's not. Jesus could, but then he wouldn't have.

Cristina: To go to every single spot. He could just go from where he was to Japan in one.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Here's the true fact about that. That he did in fact have to travel, right? So he doesn't have instant travel the way that some Malaysian zoo or Santa Claus or other. Yeah, yeah. At least not at this point in the story, as far as it goes. So he had be traveling from one to the other in this order, which is why there are these stops between the two points. There are two other points. And that's like. Okay, so he paused. In other places he rested. He needed to relax and stop. Assuming he moved faster than. Yeah, he had way more time and he spent way more time in places because again, that year is only really about a year, and it's only really about a 300 and like 25 days or so. Okay, so there. If you were to say a whole year, then you still have like two months left or something like that, you know, so that's nice. There's a lot of time to be flexible with. But how is he traversing this land to begin with anyways? He traversed it enough to come up with stuff. And that is the primary point here.

Cristina: That's what I want to know.

Jack: We get to China, and for whatever reason, this man decides to talk to some people and he. I don't even understand. All right, so in 105 AD China, the invention of paper happened. I didn't know this fact.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Now, it was created by a man, Kyle Luna, who claimed an Eastern monk shared their revelation with his grandfather.

Cristina: If that sounds familiar. Yes, pretty much the same story as the other dude. I think it was his dad.

Jack: But still, that's why the year 105 matters. Jesus wasn't there maybe at 05.

Cristina: So his grandpa met a traveler.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: And through his revelations he said, yeah.

Jack: That the man had revelations that he was just trying to come up with. I mean, I'm using wording that gets passed down and like it's a game of telephone. So this can't be accurate. But ultimately what they believe they said was that and. Yeah, the invention of paper.

Cristina: Ridiculous.

Jack: Mm. So a man named Kai Lun developed paper alongside some Eastern monk who was just passing by. And they, you know, in his revelatory conversations with an Eastern monk, it came to him. Oh, yeah.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, Paper.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Do you know what that first paper was made from?

Jack: Yeah, it was made out of a bunch of random ingredients. He had a whole process that involved tree bark and involved some salt, some this and that, and blend, crush and blend it. And then he would let it soften and then he'd have like a flexible thing after you squeeze it. But it's a very familiar story.

Cristina: Yes, yes, it is.

Jack: Now, digging deeper into the same story. There was a lot of controversy around this story.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: One, it was quickly taking over the world the moment it got created. But before that moment happened, because every paper is everywhere. But before that moment happened that it was taken everywhere, there was one issue with it, a really weird issue that doesn't even make a lot of sense, and it's that there were conspiracies, that this was a way to suppress or hide information.

Cristina: Paper, paper.

Jack: Now, this becomes kind of accurate when you consider that oftentimes they were writing information on tablets and paper were thin, that you could hide easily, so you can conceal a lot of information. Interesting.

Cristina: What? It's very strange.

Jack: Very strange. Very strange.

Cristina: So people thought it was paper was a conspiracy?

Jack: Yes. Not only was paper a conspiracy. Now allow me to rewind back. If you follow paper being a conspiracy, you find out that 20, 30, 40 years back, for whatever reason, somebody tried to introduce something very similar to paper. And again the same problem arises, this fight back of people think this is a way to suppress information, or somebody does.

Cristina: That's so strange. I wonder how. Why, what's going on? I mean, I guess too like that makes sense, but it's such a strange thought to be so fearful of it. I don't know, but it makes sense because it makes sense because Everything, every technology is like that. TikTok came out and everyone's like, the government is gonna do stuff to us or whatever. China. So the Chinese people had conspiracies on China too. Or these people outside of China, like, ooh, those papers. That's dangerous.

Jack: I don't know if the people outside of China have this problem. I have no idea. Although there were arguments about that that I did come across.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah, well, there were instances that were very similar and some quite relevant, but otherwise, it's the idea of that paper is ultimately being used conceal information. Now, across all of these Chinese and essentially many Asian provinces and areas, generally speaking, between China and Persia there, there's a lot of ground there and a lot of people there. And there is almost nothing through any of it. It's just a black hole of no, nothing, nothing anywhere between point A and then before you start getting into oriental areas and then that's where suddenly, oh, yeah, history is still around and stuff like that. But before that, like that whole area leading until you start looking at weird things like paper and you find out that although, yeah, no, there's nothing about any significance in any of these countries until you get back to Iran and you find out their fight with paper was the same.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, there was a lot of. Well, paper is gonna be a way to undermine the authorities and be able to hide information from the authorities.

Cristina: So who's more scared, though? Is it people thinking the government's gonna use paper to keep secrets from them or the government thinking people are gonna keep secrets from them with paper?

Jack: I don't know what government thinks this. That's my only question. What do you mean, what government believes paper is going to be used to.

Cristina: Hide in this past? The conspiracy thing you're talking about.

Jack: Yeah, but I'm trying to figure out what government that is. Why are they scared of paper? Well, there is an answer to that question.

Cristina: What is the answer?

Jack: But the answer is not in obvious places. The answer actually goes all the way back to Egypt.

Cristina: How?

Jack: Well, in Egypt, there was a slight mention once in a weird hieroglyphic tablet with scribbles on it. And the deciphering of what's on there essentially breaks down to use paper to trade and then an unknown unquote to symbols that look like a computer and radio waves coming from it. Now, can you tell me what that means?

Cristina: No, I have no idea. That sounds like gibberish. I don't know. Are they predicting the future?

Jack: No, they're saying newspaper to hide from being tracked.

Cristina: They're using a computer as a symbol.

Jack: Yeah. There's a box that looks like a screen and then three dashes that look like radio waves. But the part they can break apart easily is use paper to trade and then you got what's obviously just a computer. So trade to avoid what? What are those other two things? That's obviously a computer to avoid being tracked. Now this is insignificant. It doesn't make any sense outside of context. And we have no context except over here on the other side of the world. Or not the other side of the world, but farther west from that point or east, I guess east. Farther east from that point we get to China and they have the same fear from the people's perspective. Keep in mind these things written were from high society in Egyptian culture. So they were saying it from the point of view of the people who knew people were trying to hide information. So from our point of view and reading it there, it doesn't seem like anything. What are you talking about? Sheets of paper and then gibberish. Something that doesn't make any sense.

Cristina: Did the Egyptians not trust the.

Jack: No, the Egyptians know that people were using paper to hide some information. This also probably enlightens us on how some individuals managed to steal information. It was more likely than not doing it through primitive untrackable means because all the technology was easily trackable. Now pull this back slightly and tell me what is the weirdest part about the one piece of tech we do know Jesus made? It's non electronic and does everything really complicated electronic technology does.

Cristina: How does that relate though?

Jack: It cannot be tracked because it does not have an electrical magnetic signal. If I were to run a regular earthquake detection system, you could tell I'm running that because I need energy for it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Not for the seismoscope. But also that same logic applies to paper.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If I'm moving data and information in a technologic kind of way, then there's probably some sort of trace, but not if it's with paper. You'd have to see me holding the page and read what's on it.

Cristina: And the idea is that he made the paper or he helped someone make this paper.

Jack: They knew that this was possible. Yes. Time secrets from the government to hide secrets in general. I think Jesus was hiding among very people who were being observed by these high society individuals who were trying to find Jesus.

Cristina: Was it really at the end of the day, not.

Jack: Egyptians and the Alicians.

Cristina: Relations, all that stuff?

Jack: Yeah, probably. I think Jesus was just living among those. I think he was finding out ways because Again, if they have this ability to traverse land so easily and to get anywhere, to get to the other side of the earth, nonetheless, like China is nothing that's next door.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they can watch, they can observe, they can get anywhere they need to. So he needed to invent ways which takes us to Shinto gates, which happen in Japan. This isn't related to the rest of the things on here, but the Shinto gates that happen in Japan, which are essentially what, another way to move outside of things they're used to. A Shinto gate has no electric field. He somehow figured out how to just build a thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And no energy. You couldn't find it. You gotta know exactly where it is. How many are there? If you built one in the middle of f****** nowhere, how would. How would anybody know? He figured he kept finding ways, okay. To make non electric things. They had the exact same function that electric things had. Deletion. Somehow evolved without paper. Because.

Cristina: Very strange. Okay.

Jack: Yeah, but when you think about it, we had a culture here that we're aware of current time, that also essentially evolved without the usage of paper. And it was the story, the people who tell stories and knots. Their entire language, their writing, their ideology, all of it is captured in knots that they make on strings, and that is writing equivalent. They communicate this information. They look at it and instantaneously see all the nuance and know what it means.

Cristina: It's complicated. Okay.

Jack: And those people evolved without paper, without variety, written language without word. It was unnecessary. And we keep thinking in the dumbest way as possible, but the. One of the reasons there might not be Elysian writing is because the Elysians didn't f****** evolve using writing. Duh.

Cristina: They're using something else to share their information. Yeah, because we know they were sharing their information. So you're saying it's not the way we think.

Jack: They were sharing information, while the people they shared it with used the way they were familiar with. Which was. Well, you know, these guys had hieroglyphs and they did that thing. And these guys liked paintings and they did that thing.

Cristina: We have no idea what the Elysians actually gave that was telling this information.

Jack: They did. The Alicians had a way of communicating. Presumably the Elysians learned how to speak, at least in these languages, or had some method of bridging communication. I don't think it was random. Then again, the way. I don't know. Because the way Lucifer makes it sound like it's like, throw it out there and see what happens.

Cristina: So what are they? Like, maybe they. I Don't know. It's too complicated. I don't know, because now I'm thinking, like, what if they're telepathically sending these things to other people? Like, we don't know how they work.

Jack: No, I don't think it's telepathic. I think it's definitely some kind of physical thing that's taking place. The other. The only other example we have is still a physical thing. The knots, the Brazilian people who. Not things like. That's still physical. I'm sure they have a physical thing. They do.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We just can't think of anywhere like, oh, yeah, it's obvious or whatever.

Cristina: It'll never be obvious. I don't know. Unless there's a story out there that says something.

Jack: No, I don't know. I haven't looked at that. But, like, how would we. I would need a reference point. Everything happens when I have the right reference point. Right. So we know it looks like secrecy. Living in secrecy makes perfect sense so far based on what we're looking at. So we got paper, we got the Shinto gates, we got the earthquake detector, and then we have a compass.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The compass has an unknown inventor to it. There were stories about where the schematics to create the thing in the beginning came from. It's believed to have happened about 150 AD that it was finally pieced together, but it's unclear exactly where it was found. Somewhere between 100 years earlier. So the schematics to make it. Now, there were stories about the schematics before they found the schematic somebody. So narratives about the schematics moved forward about a thing that could allow you to navigate.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And these thing. And this thing that allowed you to navigate. There was a whole detailed blueprint on how to build it. And it disappeared. And people talked about it, sailors talked about it, and they talked about a traveler who was an inventor. And he was just someone wandering. A wanderer described specifically as a traveler or a wandering teacher from the east.

Cristina: Okay. So another Jesus.

Jack: Another guy who seems to fit the idea. Around the same period of time with the same kind of mentality. This dude seems to be traveling. And weirdly enough, he reminds me a lot of Antonio Draco.

Cristina: Who's that?

Jack: With Alicorn?

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I think it was kind of just drifting about too, wasn't it?

Cristina: I guess. But he seemed more normal because he went through some weird adventures.

Jack: Yeah. To him, all this was crazy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He was like, holy. What's happening around me? This thing is crazy. I need to study it. Oh, my God. People want it.

Cristina: Yeah. And I think he ends up dying.

Jack: Yeah. He just dies because of this thing. Like there was no good. It. Only bad things came from this miracle thing, which also. I didn't even think about that. That's totally the fact of the matter for that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Only horrible. That was the moral of that story. I didn't even think about it. Since he touched this, nothing but a storm was unleashed on him that didn't stop until he literally died. It took him through war. It took him through needing to create an entire secret society because people are actively trying to murder him for it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Assassins and spies, people actively. Just full armies coming from random directions for you for this thing. It sucks to have alicorn.

Cristina: Yes, it does. Yeah. He died. I don't know. There was no good story. I mean, it was good to the people that he used it on, I guess.

Jack: Yeah, I guess.

Cristina: The random people.

Jack: Yeah. He totally. He helped people regularly.

Cristina: But, yes, he ended up dying from it.

Jack: If you keep it, you'll die with.

Cristina: It, which makes no sense because it's supposed to help keep you alive.

Jack: That's a weird one, right? Because as long as you have it, people are gonna come for you because they want that power.

Cristina: I guess that's. Yeah. Like, he didn't die of natural causes, I think. Right.

Jack: Got murdered.

Cristina: Got murdered. Yeah. Like maybe it would keep you alive forever as long as no one.

Jack: But, like, how? How you can't. You. How do you keep this a secret forever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever. Like you're gonna. Somebody's coming for you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's the biggest problem. So there's no being at peace with this thing. It's like you're trading peace of mind for power. That's a trade off. Because somebody could take the power from you. And you're gonna try weird. Anyways. This compass made by Jesus or by this guy who fits a very Jesus, like this.

Cristina: The wandering traveler teacher guy. Yeah.

Jack: What makes this compass absolutely most interesting of all was when you look at what they believed it could be. It could do originally. And then I'm gonna start to explain how these other things work together.

Cristina: They work together. What? Okay. Okay.

Jack: Okay. Now, the compass is believed to be a more advanced version of a primitive Middle Eastern technology, which was particularly great for travelers in uncharted lands and sailors because it allowed navigating where you were not familiar with by always knowing which direction was north.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes. The particular language that matters there is that. It's very useful for knowing where you are when you don't know where you are. Sounds casual enough, but very important because.

Cristina: He doesn't know where he is. Continue.

Jack: Well, if we pair this alone with the Shinto Gate, is that a way. He's literally gonna bring himself back. He can navigate to where it is. He knows how to track the location of these gates. And the compass is a literal tracking mechanism that requires no electricity. And he can use on both sides to get right back to wherever the f*** he wants.

Cristina: Oh, okay, so you're saying it works on both sides.

Jack: Gentle Gate uses no tech and he can use a no tech compass to get to the Shinto game. Interesting. Yes.

Cristina: What? But then how do you come. How do you fit the paper into this?

Jack: Well, the paper is. There's a lot of messages being across and everything we're talking about are schematics. Were schematics recorded in these ways for the Elysians? Or is he intentionally teaching people how to write so that he can create the tech in schematics that can't be tracked, like compasses, like.

Cristina: So he can find those schematics without them worrying about them getting to them.

Jack: He can make the schematics in ways that are harder for. They can't be tracked. They have to find the paper themselves. Okay, you can't track the paper. There's no signal. It's just paper. And he's teaching people how to use paper instead of them developing into using whatever technology thing or easier to track other way. The Elysians developed with. Although the Aletians are familiar with the ways developing by the Egyptians and the way developing by the Mayans and local civilizations. But the way that made it most efficient was this paper thing. But at the time it wasn't. At the time it was particularly controversial.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the people who were trying to stop it were probably the elation because it's not their thing. And it's harder to have information like detect information.

Cristina: Man. I think that's right.

Jack: That makes sense. Right?

Cristina: That makes sense. Yes.

Jack: Now we gotta sprinkle a little something on top of us because we add this other part and then we gotta think about it a little bit. You have an earthquake detection machine, the seismoscope. How does that fit?

Cristina: Do you have any idea? I have no idea.

Jack: Guess, guess.

Cristina: Okay. How. Why would he need to know? I don't know. Does it have to do with the Elysians? Do they travel? I don't. I don't know. It's really hard to guess about. It seems too random. Like where Can I go?

Jack: Use imagination. You have no guessing ability for something that creates.

Cristina: Not creates, that knows when an earthquake is coming.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: How he relates to all this other stuff.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I don't know. Besides in Japan, because it's. There's earthquakes. Fair.

Jack: Okay. So looking into the seismoscope, this one was really complicated one because a lot of people wanted to be the first to write about this. There's a lot of different information. Essentially the same information written differently. Rather. So it stands out when somebody writes differently. When all the mentions of the same thing are so similar. Right. So it was likely not originally made to detect earthquakes, but rather detect other things underground or in the water.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And somebody was generous enough to try to explain it. With a strong enough impact, you can bounce a vibration off of another object and it will be detected by the seismoscope like a distant earthquake, thus telling you in which direction.

Cristina: It's either to find the lesions or hide from. Still hide from them because like you know where they're coming from. You can go the opposite way type of thing.

Jack: I think it was a portable device. I think it was to find.

Cristina: I think he was a tracker. Whoa.

Jack: I mean, I think he had a non electric way to track them. He had non electric ways to move information amongst people. He had non electric ways to move in uncharted territories and find his way back in. Electric ways to find his way between realms.

Cristina: Is there any proof that he did find them?

Jack: I have no doubt.

Cristina: I wonder. Because like that's. If he has that, then what does that really mean to the Elysians? If he can just track them down and he has no problem traveling on water. So weird. You just find them and then what? But then what? That's the big question is that the.

Jack: Idea is the goal to find them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why. Why go to India and I there. Well, what. What do you account. Did you find them? Were they in India?

Cristina: I don't know. Are you sure it was to find them? It doesn't make sense.

Jack: I know. I'm not sure. It was to find them.

Cristina: Or maybe it doesn't make sense. I don't know. It's all random. It's also random.

Jack: I don't know. I know these inventions have a very similar individual in a very similar circumstance interacting with people and then these people later work them out.

Cristina: Yes, but there's no connection.

Jack: There's no literal connection between any of them. They are just random individuals who are essentially just talking about a guy who happens to fit a very similar description. A very similar instance at around a very similar time. The end.

Cristina: No, like what was his actual plans? What does he want to do besides go to the other side? Okay, he goes to the other side. He dies over here though. Like, what does it mean?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Does he want to find them?

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. He finds his way back. He can share information. The. The seismoscope is a weird one because why do you need to track them or what, what are you doing?

Cristina: Or maybe he's trying to avoid them. But I don't know why he would want to avoid them either. But it seems like they're both trying to track each other. So maybe there is some trying to avoid as well. I don't know. They can't both be trying to track each other. If they're trying to track him, then he has to be trying to hide from them.

Jack: No, I think they knew where he was a lot of the time. I think he was doing things while there because it also doesn't seem like they were particularly bothered for the majority of his life. They're like, whatever dude. Like as long as you're not here, fine. But like then it became an issue as he started like running his mouth and.

Cristina: And once he's making this thing though, like, why didn't they know? Like, oh crap, this. He's. He's.

Jack: How would they know?

Cristina: Oh yeah, they can't track it. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: How would they know? He found a way to do everything undetected. None of it required any detection form that has. Which tells us a lot of the technology is definitely electricity based. What is like we. The Elysian technology. We know that a lot of their technology has always been electricity based and requires electrical magnetic fields and radio signals. Which is essentially what you're avoiding with paper.

Cristina: Yeah, they're very sci fi.

Jack: Yeah. So it's very things we're landing at now. Which then brings up a lot of questions about how are we getting to exactly that. Get the f*** out of here. Now there's that question of like, are we ourselves reaching there because of.

Cristina: No, I don't think. Because we're so different from our technology. Isn't the same as our technology either.

Jack: No, it's not.

Cristina: So. So no Fair, fair.

Jack: I think building blocks maybe basic ideas that led to the whole.

Cristina: But it looks different.

Jack: It has to. And it has to be influenced by us. It'd be best if we're developing by ourselves. That's the whole zoo hypothesis.

Cristina: Except if you made Paper. Then he influenced us.

Jack: Yeah. Any of this s***. All of this crap. The ability to compass. You know how exaggeratedly overpowered a compass is? He changed reality with that one.

Cristina: He changed reality with the paper and.

Jack: Yeah, with a paper. That's crazy. Yeah, with both of those. It's crazy. All these got the same instance. That's definitely the same dude.

Cristina: He changed humans evolution.

Jack: But so did the Elutions.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Deletions might have made human civilization, although it was a process combined between whatever the h*** yelled about then.

Cristina: Yeah, it's complicated.

Jack: Yeah. Or I guess the real product was the Elysians from Yellow Balance. And then we're the product from the Alicians. That's the right series of events. So basically there are gods, but science gods.

Cristina: Yeah, Sounds right.

Jack: So what do we think this is for, man? We know the papers to hide information because of the two separate mentions of that. We know the earthquake detection system. Well, we don't know s*** about that one. We know the compass is used for a plethora of things and it helps people traverse unknown territories. And water, which is particularly important. Water. Now that the seismoscope with the compass, let's say you have a boat.

Cristina: And maybe he has his own underwater base that we don't know about. I don't know why, but, like, what if there's another story that we haven't found yet about another civilization that lives in the water?

Jack: There isn't. The Alicians.

Cristina: Yes. Like maybe it sounded like the Elysians, but it's just not in the right location that they would be in. So you just thought like, oh, it's just Elysian stories. Even though the location's not right, like.

Jack: It doesn't check out.

Cristina: Yeah. Like how the Mayans not on the line. Was it the Mayans?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So I think you should maybe try to look back into that. Maybe. Question mark. I don't know.

Jack: The. Beyond the line.

Cristina: No. Of like, are there other stories of underwater cities?

Jack: No, I have looked at that. That's how I found most of what I found by trying to find how many similar instances there are, regardless of where they might be. You can zero in on the location by kind of, oh, yeah, they're from over here. They're from.

Cristina: And all of them were in the same location, though not all of them.

Jack: Are in the same location. But also a lot of people have no idea where the f*** they're coming from. So a lot of people were just kind of making it up a lot of the time. I think him from the sky. It's like, well, that's up. How do we go from there? You know, like didn't come from over there, they came from up. So it's like a lot of this is unreliable. It's just most likely you're talking about the same looking people who have the same kind of thing. You're probably meaning the same people. You don't really know where they came from.

Cristina: But Jesus might have some secret base or something too.

Jack: Why would he need one?

Cristina: Why would he need one? Where would he be hiding?

Jack: Why is he hiding?

Cristina: Why is he hiding? I don't know.

Jack: Who is he?

Cristina: Maybe. I don't know.

Jack: Why is he hiding?

Cristina: Because they. They're out to get maybe. I don't know.

Jack: No, they literally get to him and kill him. And he was like way up front and like blunt about it the whole.

Cristina: Way, but then he came back. Yeah, he's more powerful than ever.

Jack: And I don't know if he's more powerful than ever. But he's unkillable at that point, apparently.

Cristina: So I think they got something to worry about.

Jack: That he's unkillable. That just makes him annoying.

Cristina: I don't know. Okay.

Jack: That just means he's a bug and they can't get rid of him. But back to the point, what the h*** is this seismoscope for? This is so weird that he made that thing or was trying to figure out how to track something in space.

Cristina: What if you use this technology in space? Can you do that?

Jack: Could it work in space the way it works in water? Does it need gravity? I think it needs gravity to work. I don't think it would work in space.

Cristina: Do you think it works in the Shadow Realm?

Jack: No. No, I don't think it would exist in the Shadow Realm if you were.

Cristina: To take it over there. It wouldn't exist.

Jack: Yeah, I don't think it's physical in the same way.

Cristina: Oh, okay. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, I think the Shadow Realm works a little too differently. That's why knowing how to mix things is a whole thing of its own. You got to be able to somehow interact with this other thing and I don't know.

Cristina: I don't know. What is he doing?

Jack: I don't know. Man. It's really weird. Again, we have the ability to pass information and secrecy, communicate using anything you want, especially schematics for these things. And we have Shinto gates to come back from the Shadow Realm and we have compasses to be able to navigate. The question is, can you take the compass? I mean, I guess if that's the case then you can take the seismoscope. But what the f*** would you be looking for with the seismoscope in the shadow realm? I don't know.

Cristina: But like why would we know even like if there was a plan, why would we know the plan?

Jack: I think the Shinto gate. Shinto gate is a one way thing. There's not it. Which means the seismoscope. You can't build it here and take it there.

Cristina: No, but it was for those things over there to come over here. So maybe he needed it for when they got here. He needs them.

Jack: He's who's coming through.

Cristina: Maybe he wants other things through too.

Jack: Like I don't know.

Cristina: Other shadow realm creatures.

Jack: For what? Huh? Conclude your thoughts.

Cristina: I don't know. Why? I'm just saying like maybe like who else would need that him besides him? I don't know.

Jack: Why would so randomly you're just applying this to like some random individual would use it for what? If we have it to find him. To find who?

Cristina: Jesus.

Jack: Jesus built it. How are you gonna find Jesus with a thing that's gonna detect something based on vibration? And you need to make an impact to begin with. The exact description is you need a big enough impact that's going to bounce the vibration off of a different object. And this is going to detect it.

Cristina: He is. I don't know. Then he's looking for them. He has to be. I don't know.

Jack: I think he's looking for the Elysians.

Cristina: That's the only thing. What else is there that they're looking for?

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. I definitely do find this really weird.

Cristina: There's something that needs to be found. I don't know what it is.

Jack: He's tracking something for sure.

Cristina: The apples? No. But they're not underwater. Are they underwater?

Jack: And this is just in China. Minus the Shinto gates. The Shinto gates just so happens to be connected. Because the problem is in India and Persia. Many, many, many narratives of these religious individuals then getting through China. Less of it. Less, less, less, less, less. And then very sciency science. Science Y But the more west we go again it gets very religious. Until we start making it all the way literally into the core of the Persian Gulf and then heading farther towards Egypt and those locations. Then it starts getting sciency again. There's an intentional religious center there. And I just find that a curious fact. I don't know why. And became sciency again. And I don't know it was very intentional or There was no point to making science in those regions or the resources required to do it weren't present or something. I don't know. I don't know.

Cristina: I don't know. Because isn't more on what the people saw. Like it wasn't him doing anything. Like maybe me.

Jack: Fair enough. At this point, you would argue that he wasn't even trying to convince anybody of anything. He was just traveling.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There were a few things that mattered to him and the rest were just random things he was doing walking through.

Cristina: Yeah. Like some of them saw these miracles. But maybe like the other people, maybe they didn't. They looked past the miracles. They're like, look at all the science stuff.

Jack: Maybe many people didn't even see miracles. Maybe they just saw a guy come through.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If he's traveling. Yeah. Anyways, you guys can let us know what you think about any of this stuff of this random. Same description wanderer. That shows.

Cristina: What is he doing with that paper?

Jack: No, not the paper with the seismic. That's a really weird one.

Cristina: Yes, that. That's really the weird one.

Jack: Anyways, if you want to let us know what ideas you have on this stuff, you guys can message us on our socials on TikTok, on Instagram, on. On X and Facebook @justconvopod.

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Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

February 24, 2024

Rambling 263: Christ's Goal

February 24, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Why did Jesus want followers? What was the point of his teachings? Do we know where he went? The duo unpack the first layer of Jesus’ intentions, focusing primarily on motive, teachings and plan. A discussion that reveals much more than the duo anticipated!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Jesus Christ
Lessons and Teachings
Possible Aliases
Intentions
Contradictions and Explanation
Beginning and Ending

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanities. Most absurd and baffling ideas.

Cristina: That's what we do here every day, all day.

Jack: Every day, all day. That's our job. That's our duty. Is that what we do? I guess. I guess we ground it so that you can process how crazy it is. What's that emoji of the Tim and Eric guy? Mind blown. Mind blown. Then it's like space. Oh, he does the mind blown thing. And then like, space and stars and, like, the universe coming into existence or whatever. That's essentially what we do here. And a lot of the time, or at least for, like, it feels like years at this point. I know it hasn't been years. It's been like, a year and some change, but it feels like a lifetime. Talking about the Elysians, the crazy size of the rabbit hole we have fallen into. But our job is to research.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So inevitably. Yeah, inevitably. Inevitably. There's. There's nothing. There's nothing we can do about this. If it's worth reporting on, then we must report on it. So as we're digging, we always come up with questions, and there's always questions that, say, lingering. And one of the main questions that we have ignored for a really long time was really associated with Jesus. We've made assumptions, left it hanging, cut it, left it where it was, walk away. And we're like, this is what's happening. But we recently realized that Jesus made a stop in China.

Cristina: Mm. Very random.

Jack: Yeah, like, very weird. Before going to Japan to build some Shinto gates, like, what the h*** is happening? So I was like, how do we track this guy? Like, what really happened? We've discussed everything else. I don't know if his point is relevant other than just like, I. I don't know. I don't know what's relevant. I don't know. It's relevant. So I'm like, whatever. Any leads? A lead, right? Like, it's better than nothing. So I'm like, okay, let's look at Jesus. But how?

Cristina: How?

Jack: Yeah, I'm wrapping my head around, like, how do we track you, dude? How do we find you? Where do I go? There's no wrapping.

Cristina: You go to China?

Jack: No, we already mess with the quantum computer. So that's where my mind went. So I go to the quantum computer and I Tell it, hey, can you tell me what is a way that I could use to track Jesus? What? And the quantum computer says back, well, you can use the application method that other people or the philosophies and other religions apply in order to like theologists and whatever, trying to decipher what came from what, which is compare and contrast when anything is identical. I'm like, what do you mean?

Cristina: Yes, what do you mean?

Jack: So the quantum computer suggests, well, characteristics that line up. Use scientific method to remove anything that doesn't matter. And once you have a pattern forming of things that are left behind. And so I'm like, okay, run that equation. And then it's like, okay, in all of these different religions and all of these different philosophies within the same region are different named individuals who seem to fit exactly the same characteristics.

Cristina: For Jesus.

Jack: For Jesus, we're talking of a virgin or holy or some terminology of purity. Woman who had the child, who is some special divine individual. And the same child around the same age dies and this different ways, but the same. Around the same time. And the same child comes back, comes back. So I'm like, okay, you hit something. Fine. Okay, let's follow this then. And we do follow this into these different individuals. And some more than one. There's several individuals, okay. And many of them, according to these narratives, existed at exactly the same time in different places, though different, not necessarily even different places. It's stories of a guy from wherever. Okay, so not necessarily. Maybe they're just. Maybe they'll adjust it and be like, oh, yeah, from over there, where we barely go. But all of these stories are surrounding Israel. They're in Egypt, they're in Northern Africa, they're in China, they're in. So these individuals, okay, have gone there. And so I thought that was fascinating. And we're gonna definitely jump through that very briefly. But what's more important is the path this man took and why, which is what we need to figure out based on whatever information we have.

Cristina: Okay, so where did he start? Well, I guess we know where he started.

Jack: We know where he started. But here's what's interesting and we'll circle back to it chronologically. But where he ended is so much more important. It brings me so much joy.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That where he ended. And also it seems he is immortal.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like, yes, he definitely had that going on. I established that once I broke the 150 year gap following his steps.

Cristina: 150 year gap, yes, after I broke.

Jack: That amount of time and he s**** on that amount of Time, not like his grandfather. Like I still don't understand even just Jehovah seems to have disappeared. And I can't. Like he's definitely not older than 20, 000 years gone. Meanwhile Granddaddy millions, which doesn't make sense. Which doesn't make sense. And his dad came and went as some background noise like Yahweh. Yeah, whatever. Okay, you did nothing in your life. You were mentioned by nobody. Just the Jews once. Like what, bruh? Come on, homie, what's going on? Put your son powerful doing things. Your granddaddy out there making moves.

Cristina: Unless that's more than one person.

Jack: Unless that's more than one person. Unless that's more than one person. Who knows? Who knows.

Cristina: But not with Jesus is for sure. One guy who's living forever.

Jack: It seems to be okay, so it has to be right because the narrative is too exactly the same. We don't have stories of loi, not many two or three instances and brief mentions, mentions here and there. But we don't have any extensive hard hitting. This is a fact. Look over there. And here's the proof. And there's the thing. Like we could see. The closest we got are these pipes that maybe or maybe not.

Cristina: Okay, that's it.

Jack: Maybe. Or maybe not. The end. Maybe he wasn't involved in that. His society for sure. Was he? I don't know. They many of them, who knows. But there's a thing called Mithra. Mithras. And Mithras is essentially fitting all the same characteristics as Jesus with the most important point being of the Virgin Mary that literally in their own language, the word her name when you translate it is the same word we would use for Mary. So it was Virgin Mary. And Mithras was an individual in Mesopotamia.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Okay, there was some other thing called Mani. And Mani was an Iranian prophet and the founder of Manichaeism, which essentially is a faith. Now the spiritual teachings of this individual similar. Him and Mithras had almost identical teachings according to what people report about these individuals.

Cristina: These are two different people.

Jack: No, I think everybody I'm telling you about is the same guy going. I think this is the. I don't know if he was going by aliases.

Cristina: Okay, but that would make it make sense.

Jack: That would make sense. But at least in their language, this is how they were referring to these individuals. And between Many and Mithras we have the following. They both had teachings like Jesus and preached messages of love and peace and spiritual enlightenment in the same area, in the same general vicinity. Now both of these Individuals emphasize the importance of living virtuous lives and seeking salvation through divine grace. Now, in the case of Christianity and in the case of Manichism, Manicheism, whatever, and the teachings of Mithras, these three individuals shared the idea that they believed in essentially the shadow realm and would consistently talk about, if you want to be released from this life, then you must stay away from bad things, and bad things are whatever trap you in the cycle of life. Now, a lot of these things are what make their way into the beliefs of Hinduism. Right.

Cristina: But what are they saying about the shadow realm?

Jack: Well, the shadow realm is where you go if you do bad things. And the bad things would be presumably doing things like adrenochrome and, I guess, things that would expose you to some of these situations that would then allow you to not permanently die and not just die, but thinking about some of these ancient texts and some of these descriptions of the shadow realm and then comparing and contrasting them with all the different variations we've seen of like, h*** and Helheim and all these other different instances that are the same. You know, the heaven, the h***, the limbo, or whatever the crap. Thinking about that, when we talk about the shadow realm and the processes that are potentially there, it makes sense that everybody was talking about the same process. All philosophies break down into what, including Christianity. The Earth is h***. Oh, right. And so that tells us a lot if you're going somewhere else, but you're staying here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're telling us that the shadow realm and earth realm were both the same thing. It's in the writing.

Cristina: They're h***.

Jack: It's the same. But h*** is more of a circumstance, isn't it? Because h***, in this case would be the visualization that everybody's talking about burning and screaming and suffering. But what does that look like if not somebody who's had adrenochrome and stopped? Okay, interesting. Right.

Cristina: Well, there's then a heaven. What is that?

Jack: The heaven would be freedom, I guess, being freed from this thing. I think heaven isn't literal. I think heaven was just the opposite to this torture they knew of.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So it's like, we don't know what it is, but it must be better than this torture. You go, yeah. And they could see the torture, and they know of it. And people coming back as twisted, contorted ghosts and things like that. Horrible monsters made of people they used to know and creatures that were once theirs and things that were once normal but just twisted and turned into whatever. And enough catastrophe or fear happens it's the Middle Ages, and you don't know know what the h*** is in the woods. And there's some monsters screaming, and it's really just a bear, but you get f****** scared because you don't know what the f*** it is and you've never heard it before. Enough fear gets generated. And now some crazy, like a werewolf that had too much adrenochrome comes through, and you got a wet judge over here, and you're like, demons and s***. That's h***. It's all h***. It's all depictions of h***. It's the descriptions we have of h***. It's just things that have always been happening and in front of our faces.

Cristina: Yeah. So wait, the shadow realm is h***, but so is Earth.

Jack: So is Earth. Because h*** is the process, if it goes wrong, that you should stay away from and you should want to die anyways, because that's what gives.

Cristina: Are they talking about people drinking blood, though?

Jack: They're talking about people doing bad things.

Cristina: Okay. But not that specifically.

Jack: I don't know. Because then the argument becomes very contradictory when you think of how many of these religions. And this is another part where both Mithras and Manny come into play. They preach a lot about this unity in dining, in drinking symbolic things and eating symbolic things, which is uncontradictory because obviously what you're talking about is eating and drinking adrenochrome.

Cristina: Are you sure? Is that the blood of Christ?

Jack: Yes. Which is adrenochrome.

Cristina: Okay, Yeah, I guess it is the same.

Jack: That's where the problem lies.

Cristina: Telling you not to do that, but.

Jack: Then telling you to do that, but it's specifically.

Cristina: I don't know, Somehow it's different, because they want to control those people. It's like, you can't have other blood. You can't have random blood. You have to have my blood.

Jack: But the question is, why? What's the difference? Elysian blood. He's doing something weird to them. He's doing something weird to them. It's Alician blood. We never thought about this. Oh, my God. We never thought about this, dude. It was very important that he con people out of specific things. So let's follow the pro. Oh, my God. Let's follow the thought here.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: The Elysians come out. They're like, f*** this kid. They run away, hide where they're gonna hide, make sure he can't get to them. They establish Christianity, the Catholic Church, then with Peter, right? And they make the Knights Templar. Jesus, on the other hand, goes out of his way to confiscate that same movement, thus creating weird division. In fact, what happened with Jesus is a lot of sort of what happened, I guess, opposite to Arthur, which is Arthur had many narratives hitting him because of the original narrative created by Merlin and then the narrative created later by the lady of the Lake, which was the confusing situation that led to him doing the thing while Jesus is confiscated the same way the lady of the Lake confiscated the narrative that already existed. So Jesus comes and confiscates the narrative built around him by the Catholic Church using his ex homie Peter, and at the rule of the Elysians, with the help of the Knight Simpler. He still manages to con a bunch of people into they have to drink his. He made the strongest movement of this. So this is like struggling, right? This is a bad. The Catholic Church.

Cristina: You think it's his blood specifically, though, that's somehow different because he's an elution, not because he's special in many other ways.

Jack: No. Something about Elysian blood is affecting the people. And he figured this out. Alicia and adrenochrome is somehow different. And we never considered the fact that.

Cristina: Do you think he just figured that out or do you think that Alicia knows about that and there.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I know that. That Jesus Christ went out of his way to tell people specifically or his followers, even if there's no message. We know directly of his mouth saying, but not to follow anyone else. Don't do this, don't do that. All of which is evil. All these rituals are evil. All blood drinking is evil. All this is evil. All that's evil. Satanic. Oh, it's Satanic.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: Meanwhile, you're telling your people to do the same thing. It just so happens to be your blood.

Cristina: But is it because it's so hard to say that it's because he's an Elysian and it's Elysian blood or it's his specifically because he's just. He's just different.

Jack: But I mean, I guess also, yes, he's very different because he's different.

Cristina: So is his blood just a little bit different than their blood or is it exactly the same? Like, how would we know? We need stories of lesions sharing their blood or something to humans or something. Like there has to have been some Aletians that were into blood stuff too. As though we always assumed that they were always above that and didn't touch blood at all because they had other things. But even Jesus had other things, but that didn't stop him from using his blood on his victims?

Jack: I don't know, man. Jesus is so complicated.

Cristina: So were they also experimenting with blood? Like, even though. Like, they probably didn't drink blood, like, they were smart enough to probably know, like, we're gonna get addicted or whatever, that doesn't stop it from them knowing people get addicted to it. Like, someone had to have tried it. There's no way. No lesion in history didn't go down that path.

Jack: No, for sure. Okay, clarify that.

Cristina: Is their blood special? I just want to know that for sure. It has to be them specifically.

Jack: I don't know if it's majestic blood. Well, you know, I don't know. But it's different than human blood. The argument would be, if you got adrenochrome from a cat, is it different than if you got adrenochrome from a person? These are things you've never thought about. I guess it would have to be.

Cristina: Okay in that way. I guess. Yeah.

Jack: And then there's something particularly unique or interesting.

Cristina: Like you can still get it from the cat, though. Yes, but it would definitely not be the same if you got it from a person.

Jack: No, it would be something completely different, especially children.

Cristina: Question mark.

Jack: But, like, yeah, age seems to make a difference. Yeah, maybe. It's so sensitive. I mean, think about it. Age makes a difference. If you eat it versus you drink it, it makes a difference. If it's distilled through somebody's body, it makes a difference. Why wouldn't the species you get it from make a difference? Age makes a difference. I'm sure gender makes a difference. We think of stories of vampires. Some vampires prefer children. Some vampires prefer women. Some vampires prefer men. Different flavors.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There's just blood alone. There's different tastes. So functionally, chemically speaking, they're also different. Men have more testosterone. Females have more estrogen. The makeup of all of this stuff, whatever it might be doing, is all different.

Cristina: So, yeah, I guess it could be his lesion blood.

Jack: It could be the Elysian blood. It's specifically the Elysian blood, and that's the case here. That's what's making it so interesting to begin with. It's something about either the fact that it's Alician blood, or he's learned how to control people who've had his very blood. Or, I don't know. I don't know. There's something related to him specifically because he talked people out of all these other things. But it's. It's also complicated because. Then why is he Going around making different groups. Because that's the other problem. In all of these instances, he's traveling around and he makes a different establishment of people. Maybe the religion isn't the point. Maybe that's just an easy way to get service. Maybe he's an excellent con man. It's like, if I get followers, they just do what I want and I could get my things done and move on. Then if I ever come back, they're just here to do whatever the f*** I want. He has pockets of people everywhere, and they'll keep sending his message and his idea, so you can come back and stroll through. The goal is freedom and movement and go wherever and do whatever.

Cristina: So all these versions of Jesus, these stories that you have, they all are about that, though. They're all about, like, get. Have my body and my blood. Yeah.

Jack: Every single one of these guys has the same idea, and they're all from the same general region as discussed by the people of that area we have between Mithras and Mani specifically. That's a lot of information on its own, because these individuals, right on top of the fact that they preach the same thing and they have that same resurrection thing going on. The point of the baptism and of cleansing an individual to then be pure, this ritual of purification and that then you can die and be consumed by God or whatever the case might be.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And that's a weird thing that in Christianity, isn't worded that way, but in the teachings of Mithras and Mani, both talk about this sort of reunification with the greater thing and explain it in a way that's similar to being devoured.

Cristina: That's exactly where my mind went. Like, he wants you to be pure so he can eat you. Because, like, who doesn't want to eat pure meat? Like, the best meat is probably the best meat. If you're unpure, that's probably crappy me. Who wants that meat? Whoa.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Interesting. He's sharing his blood and body, and he may be eating you. Okay, that's weird.

Jack: He's. And I'm about to blow your mind.

Cristina: A vampire. No, we know that, but I continue.

Jack: He is to adrenochrome what Santa Claus is to fear. He spent his time prepping people so that they would willingly say, what? Sacrifice themselves for him, thinking this is the path towards liberation, when really this is an Elysian that's been genetically engineered to be better than every Elysian and then still decided to create an infinite source of adrenochrome that even the most elite of individuals has not come up with. Because even Santa Claus comes second to this because all he has is fear. Jesus has a stronger, more widespread source of individuals under many different names willing to just be eaten by him and eat him willingly back and forward. It's a war. And he's winning by miles. Well, in the darkest manner possible. Like what you can sit. He's the devil. By the definition of what people describe.

Cristina: The devil to be, I guess, yes.

Jack: He's convinced people successfully that they can sacrifice themselves to him and his entire ideology, whatever that might look like. And it's very important in every one of these religions. These are just the most identical. There are definitely conversations of him, but this idea spread globally. He can go anywhere and assume whatever name they've invented simply by the story traveling and prove, however, that it is him under whatever name and guarantee that somebody will just lay in front gladly give them whatever because he has implanted this idea so granularly into everybody's minds.

Cristina: Insane. But he did do it.

Jack: It's a story that keeps going similar to Santa Claus. Now we're talking about the big players, okay?

Cristina: But these two stories, though, are specifically about that, about him wanting them to be clean.

Jack: For this is the clarification stories, okay? These are the stories that matter because these are the stories where all the lines cross. This is a message he tried to get across very prominently, which got across in the case of his name, Jesus, when he went by Jesus, which in Persia was Emmanuel. But we know that somehow he influenced it and Jesus happened. And somehow over there happened Mithras, and somehow over here happened Mani. Many names, many places, traveling the world, establishing. And these stories move on their own. The one that grew the most is about Jesus. But that's just one of the many names. And where Jesus didn't take, there's just more likely than not a different version of himself, which was definitely him. Either the story told or him rolling up, being there for a while and making sure they had the story anyways.

Cristina: Interesting. But did he come from the same area when he came to these other locations?

Jack: Like that's the most fascinating part.

Cristina: Yes, same place.

Jack: Nobody necessarily knows exactly, but everybody's pointing in the same direction. So everybody to the far west of Asia, I mean, everybody to the east, everybody to the east of Asia is aiming towards their west. Everybody towards Europe is aiming down towards the Middle East. Everybody in Africa is aiming north west, I mean, northeast, landing us in the same area. When these stories are shared, which is that same Persian area which included Israel and all those places.

Cristina: Do you know Anything uniquely different about these stories, or are they so similar like, there is nothing?

Jack: Well, the differences are literally the part that doesn't matter because that's probably just culturally what those individuals added to the song.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: The similarities are what we can prove. We're the same individual. And like this thing about a couple of individuals having or not couple, but everybody. But he mentioned only a couple of times of purification through baptism is such a specific idea that it becomes too obviously the same individual. Like, there's no. There's no way three different random people tried to establish the same genius plan. And it follows the path that he took to. On his way to Japan. By the way, all of this seems that the point of this primarily is the fact that most of these events seems to have taken place in a route to Japan, going through the Middle east and then through Lower China area in Asia and then entering into. So his whole journey, he essentially made pockets of people to then spread the thing out. But here's the. What's weird? Here's what's weird.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And I think. I think there's a. A possibility that some harvesting is involved in here. Right. Because the concern is you're gonna eat these people. Or at least you want the ability for them to just give you. If you ever need anything. And then you also drop by really complicated technology like this ability to detect earthquakes and then predict where you need to go or what you need to do ahead of time to protect people. I guess in the interest of having the people stay around.

Cristina: Yeah. But also have to make them love you for something. Well, or whatever. Like they worship him.

Jack: Well, no, you need them alive. Dead people can't offer themselves. But not only can dead people not offer themselves to you, if you want to just cruise through a perfect world designed for you, well, you want everybody to be as technologically advanced as possible and worship you simultaneously. You want the highest level of technology you've ever seen, like the Elysians. But you want everybody to bend to you so you don't have to know how to use it. You don't have to give a f***. You just say the word and whatever the h*** you want gets done by people who do know how to use the thing. That's ultimately the goal. People who do know how to use the thing.

Cristina: But he's giving them tech from his. No.

Jack: Well, he's also making his own things.

Cristina: Making his own things. He's not getting it from anywhere. He's not getting it from the Aletians.

Jack: No. And the thing that's Telling us maybe he did come across a couple of things, you know, but what's really giving us the most information is the Shinto gates. Because he gave this to those people with purpose. Purpose that serves him.

Cristina: Yes, that's the most important part, I think.

Jack: Yes. Gates that serve him. And the belief is twisted because it's everybody serving him so good at that. Yes, everything serves him. Everything is in his favor. That's the goal. I don't think he's trying to do anything specifically other than I'm over, you know, who he is, who. He's Homelander. Everything should exist for him because he's the greatest, best thing ever. Except he can bend everybody to do it if they don't want to. I guess his tool isn't. I'm a superhero with superpowers, but I am way more advanced and I got a mind that can twist you up. I can make you think whatever the h*** I want. I have some kind of psychic influence on people.

Cristina: What his enemies were like, did he have any. Was it even possible? Like, would he just get rid of them?

Jack: I think the Elysians were the ones who tried their best. A way to control the situation.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: But it works, and we know that it works. And there's a different instance to have.

Cristina: All these different stories because, like, what if Jesus didn't get that big?

Jack: Like any of them could develop? You just. It's always you.

Cristina: And it doesn't matter if they become big, like they don't have to become worldwide. If they're just many in those locations, that's fine enough.

Jack: Yes, you know where to go because you know where you've been. Mm, simple logic. You know where to go because you know where you've been. And that's where you could do whatever you want. And anybody's gonna do whatever you want for you.

Cristina: Well then, then the. Did the Alicians make the problem worse by spreading this religion? You think he twisted it, though?

Jack: I think he twisted it. I think the religion was designed in order. Or maybe not. Maybe not, maybe not. I have no idea. I have no idea because maybe no, it was he. Jesus did do it first. And then the attack was on Jesus. First they cast him out, then they ignored him for a long a** time. Right. That he gets born out there. They're like, he. The intent was for him to be born in Cyprus, but he doesn't. And they're like, whatever. And so like, we tried to put him somewhere safe. He didn't let him be out there. And then he. At the age 30 starts to rile up. And then they're like, him. F*** his movement. He's gonna die for all his movements. Yeah, kill him. Kill him. It's too much. He's being a problem. He's being a problem.

Cristina: They have to do with that.

Jack: Maybe. Makes sense, because then Peter gets put as the spearhead, and they create a different version of his same narrative. Catholicism.

Cristina: But that was him or them.

Jack: That's Peter. In the name of Jesus, but really as directed by the Elysians. Confiscating the narrative. But somewhere within that. Again, the original texts are very specific. The original texts are very specific. All of those are public access. But somehow. And they go out of their way to talk about not doing particular things. You know, don't worship these individuals. Onto this, onto that. Think about this clearly, you know, put your faith in this. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Which were, you know, what's the attempt to manipulate here? And this individual still manages to trick people, despite the fact that the drinking blood and the eating the flesh, which is ambrosia. And it is. What is it? Ichor. Ambrosia and adrenal chrome. No, adrenochrome is what all three of them are.

Cristina: Oh, I thought that was a type 2.

Jack: No, Adrenochrome is three things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which are ambrosia and. What is it called? Ambrosia is the food. Ichor is once you've distilled it through the body of somebody else. And finally. Crap. What was the name? It was called. And nectar is the fluid.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Nectar is the fluid. Those are the three versions of adrenochrome. And he's managed to get people still convinced that despite the efforts that the Elysians put through Peter and through the Knights Templar, he still managed to, like, beat all that ideology with his cunning or whatever the crap. He has something. But he could literally brainwash people, is the other problem.

Cristina: Yes, that's what it seems like.

Jack: Yeah. And he's created some sort of a thought bug. Interesting. Interesting. Because it's more powerful than every other. Everything that everybody's doing, even while he's not involved, it keeps moving despite external efforts of any measure.

Cristina: The idea.

Jack: Yeah. People have attacked it literally through murdering the individuals. And it'll just grow on its own again.

Cristina: Mm. But it was just this specific story of Jesus being Jesus, not any of the other versions. Only one version spiraled out of control.

Jack: I would argue that many other versions got absorbed because of similarities.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we actually have stories about that exact same thing happening. Right. Like Christianity slowly consuming other religions and adopting their ideas and beliefs.

Cristina: But they also break down to different religions in a way.

Jack: Yes, but we're talking Christianity as a whole before Christianity breaks down into its own things. Christianity as a whole already has all. Is swallowing all these other things. So, okay, he convinces them of the stories wherever he goes. So he uses his ability to brainwash, which is apparently the most overpowered ability, period, and he goes. And the trip looks like starting in the Middle east, traveling through China, heading south of Asia, crossing that area of Lower Asian countries, then entering Japan. Now we know one direction of that narrative. We've never considered what happens after that. What, does he disappear in Japan? He just gets here and poof? Well, no, because we know the gates are one way. So he still had to leave Japan. So he does leave Japan and he does who knows what for who knows how long. But interesting enough, we have a spot to start looking from where, because, and I'll explain the logic here, we have to look backwards from this date because the individual I'm going to talk to you about came to be in 1469. And the narratives this man gave were very similar with the same idea and fit everything about Jesus, Mani and Mithras. This individual's name is Guru Nanak. And this individual goes. He comes from. Follow this after an enlightening awakening journey of ideas and philosophers passed down through generations, going to the Far east in Asia and then coming back to then inform the local populace. Specifically just so happens to be that this individual was informed in this manner, shape or form of collected information. And so he was preaching the exact same things in the exact same way with the exact same idea. He talked about. He talked about the idea of a infinite punishment that seemed to be very reminiscent of h*** or of going through the things that you would go through from adrenochrome and of purifying yourself consistently, because you gotta offer yourself to God. This man who came from the Far east goes to India, and that's where this man settles, by the way, out of all of these narratives that lead to the man always coming back one way or another throughout the course of time. There is one key difference about Guru Nanak, which is his death was a final death. He gave his farewell, but he died.

Cristina: He came back and then he died for real, for real, as Guru. Is that what's happening?

Jack: As Guru Nanak, he dies for real, for real.

Cristina: But there's no.

Jack: He doesn't have resurrection.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: He doesn't need resurrection.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because keep in mind what I am saying. Where does he Go.

Cristina: I don't know. Where did he go?

Jack: I just said he went to India.

Cristina: Oh. And he died in India.

Jack: He dies in India. What is India a country?

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know what you're trying to tell me.

Jack: India is a location where we get the tools that seem to be able to kill fairies. And also where it seems that the fairies, which are just people from outside the program, it seems to be where they can most easily come through and be safest through. And it. That's just so where he happens to go. And that's where he settles out. Of all the trips he took, after all the information he got, everything he did landed him in India, of all places.

Cristina: And so his final death was escaping the Matrix.

Jack: It seems to be the case, or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah. Whoa.

Jack: I mean, it would have been more whoa if you could have realized it as I'm trying to feed it to you. But I gotta walk you all the way to.

Cristina: There's too many locations with too many things happening.

Jack: Like, we were talking about India. What else is this the only thing we know about India?

Cristina: I don't remember anything about India, though.

Jack: Not. The. The only fact about India is that that's where the fairies are from, apparently. Or not from. But that's where they come through, which is interesting. India. That's where all of Shiva and Fish, New Vishu, whatever his name was, and Brahma and all these individuals. Those are fairy names, and those are all in the Indian mythos.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Those people were directly interacting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: With the people from the other side. Those were the preferred people because something about them just made it safer. I mean, the second they weren't in that area, they got massacred and then we were made.

Cristina: So fair enough, but wouldn't they be afraid of Jesus like they were afraid of that other random person?

Jack: I don't think they knew about Jesus. If they did, like, who the h*** is stopping Jesus?

Cristina: I don't know, dude.

Jack: Who the f*** is stopping Jesus? He's Skynet. He's the real Skynet. He's the Real Skynet. 100%.

Cristina: Then when did he build those things? Those things in Japan?

Jack: The Shinto gates?

Cristina: Yeah. Like, what time period was that?

Jack: Well, everything took place within three years under the name of Jesus. Everything happened between the age it was 30 and the age it was 33.

Cristina: But the stories of the Shinto gates, when were they built? We have a year that year specifically. That's a real year.

Jack: Yes. That took place in the year 20. Somewhere between 28 and 29.

Cristina: 28 and 29.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Why comparing it to this man that's.

Jack: Saying he's Jesus or whatever, this is 1450 years later.

Cristina: That's crazy. Why doesn't he live forever? I mean, no, he not leaving forever. Because he probably left. Okay, I see. Yes, yes, yes. That's why it's weird. Okay. Which also makes sense 100%.

Jack: 100%. And then what's interesting about this is if you follow the narrative and the origin to all of these stories, the original older texts don't include that re ascension moment until later rewrites of the story. This is how I announce absorbing stories, even if they keep standing. Now, the people who believe in Guru Nanak's teachings are the people of Punjab in India. And although they still exist, it seems to be the origin location, because following the 1500s is where we start to see show up in different biblical texts and interpretations of different religions the re ascension process that happens after the Resurrection.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: When he goes back up and joins whatever. Oh, the re Ascension. He dies. And then he tells his followers, I'm gonna leave you guys, and whatever.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That part wasn't part of the story originally. If you look at the text predating the ones that were written before the 14 and 1500s, you don't actually see the ascension happen.

Cristina: Oh, what?

Jack: Yeah, only the rewrites that happen after the teachings of Guru Nanak happened that got absorbed into texts. And then you get in the Bible, the mention of him going back to God and whatever.

Cristina: Originally, he just.

Jack: Just.

Cristina: He just lives for a. Pretty much. Or in.

Jack: He dies.

Cristina: He dies.

Jack: And then he comes back.

Cristina: And he comes back and then he dips out. Ah.

Jack: He just leaves. He dips. He's like, no, I'm not dying again.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But he reascends after Guru Nanak's teachings happen, where he. The only real instance that we have up into that moment of someone dying of him dying under one of these names not coming back.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And he knew he wasn't coming back. And so this literally modified all the other texts as they were written following this instance.

Cristina: Weird. Awesome. Awesome. That makes sense. That's so weird, though. Yeah. So he's Jesus or he's the last Jesus.

Jack: He's the last variant of him before he had to leave. Now, what's interesting here is we know where he landed and we know that this is presumably the same man many years later. So we have a finishing point, and we have a couple of narratives at the beginning that allows us to at least have a beginning and End where we can start working from both sides to link the entire timeline together and find out every step he took, where and why. All I need to know is the place. Then find out who he referred to himself as.

Cristina: We have all that information. Or is that for next week?

Jack: That's to find. That's the date. Those are the questions that have come up. Oh, by looking at Guru Nanak.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: And looking at money and looking at Mithras on top of the fact that there are others. But these individuals were so exact that it was unquestionable that they were the same individual, Jesus or whatever. Because Jesus is just, again, a name for him as well, which was wrong one. It's part of the narrative. We know his actual name was Emmanuel. We know that's his actual name. The part of twisting it is Emmanuel is an Alicia name that they couldn't get rid of and it's still bouncing around. So is Mary, ironically, and Joseph, A couple of Alicia names out there that just exist today. And so Emmanuel is one of them. And they tried their best to change it to Jesus, but it doesn't matter. Fascinating. And we have places to look.

Cristina: Yeah, we.

Jack: We can connect these two dots. I'm confident of it, because we have a beginning point and we have an ending point. We know he's actually not in the system. Bare minimum. He can forever access the system and has no reason to interact. He's in God level now and has no reason to interact with us.

Cristina: No, I don't think so.

Jack: But it helps to have all this thing happening. Adrenochrome. We still have to make it. Make it some sort of code or information.

Cristina: It still makes no sense.

Jack: But anyways, that's what we got. That's where we are. That's what we have. And those are the doorways we gotta, like, walk through.

Cristina: I feel like we figured something out.

Jack: We figured a couple of things out.

Cristina: About Jesus.

Jack: About Jesus. About Jesus. Settle. Setting groups up, essentially being like Santa Claus, but for adrenaline.

Cristina: Until he decided to leave forever.

Jack: Yes. Unless he's still using those things. Anyways, if you guys have any comments, questions, concerns relative to any of this stuff, you can hit us up on all our socials at. Just convopon on Twitter, on TikTok, on Instagram, on, I guess Twitter's X now on Facebook.

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Jack: Yes. And.

Cristina: You know, tell everybody.

Jack: Tell everybody about the show. Word of mouth is the most exaggerated, most powerful thing that has ever existed under the sun. And it's important because we're getting to the bottom of grounding it, man. We're grounding it, right?

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Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister. With social media managed by Amber Black.

December 16, 2023

Rambling 254: Necromancy

December 16, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Why were sorcerers interested in figures like Jesus Christ and King Arthur? Why are figures like Jesus Christ and King Arthur interested in sorcerers? And why is everyone else scrambling to come face to face with them? The duo deep dive into Sorcerers, but more specifically Necromancy.

+Episode Details

Ancient Technology
Portals
Controlling Shadow Energy
Remote Controlled Devices
Astral Magic

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity. Most absurd and baffling ideas. And then thunder.

Cristina: And that's thunder.

Jack: Sure. Yeah. And you hear the screen flashes for people who are watching, for the people who are tuning in on space satellite on space tube.

Cristina: They can't just be watching us on YouTube.

Jack: How are they gonna watch us on.

Cristina: YouTube on our channel?

Jack: Oh, I. I guess in theory they're watching a screen that just. I mean, some people probably do that. I bet there's somebody, at least one human somewhere that shows up, sits in front of a YouTube screen, tunes into a podcast that does not have a visual element, clicks a video, and then sits down and just stares at the screen until the show's over.

Cristina: There's no way.

Jack: How is that any different than somebody who just sits and listens to music for a long period of time? Or somebody who sits.

Cristina: You're not looking at a screen to do those things. No one puts on a screen to listen. If they are, they're reading the lyrics. They're not just watching a blank screen playing music.

Jack: Fair enough. Fair enough. Fair enough. Is. Is nothing happening on the screen? It's a question. Because if there was an equalizer, then at least the argument is there's an equalizer.

Cristina: Okay, that's a little different. I guess that would make sense if someone's watching it or not.

Jack: I say equalizer. Visualizer. You know what I mean?

Cristina: Really watch it.

Jack: It's like a background art thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which is cool, I guess. That's such a futuristic thing that I think we under appreciate.

Cristina: It's like, what's the music that they have? Like live music. Study too. Study two in on YouTube. Like they always have that girl. Yes. Loy with a girl on her computer with a cat. And it has a little animation that's super simple that just plays over and over and over again, but you're not really focused on it. Yeah, it's just there.

Jack: But these visualizations aren't necessarily absolutely aimless. Some of them transform and move to the beat and the texture of the music that's playing and their shape moves accordingly. It's not just random shapes. These higher quality ones actually move to the beat. It's not like these loafy beads.

Cristina: What are you saying our podcast is like that?

Jack: I don't even know what I was saying was like that. Our podcast no.

Cristina: Music that has the videos that are. That. For people to watch that aren't actually looking at lyrics or an actual video.

Jack: Oh, I guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Our YouTube thing is essentially that.

Cristina: Which is. What's it called?

Jack: What is. Wait, I'm so confused.

Cristina: I'm like the thing that's. They're watching. Following the voices or music.

Jack: The visualizer.

Cristina: Oh, that's what it's called? Yes, that's what I'm asking.

Jack: Okay. The visualizer is like the anomalous shape of colors. You know what I'm talking about? That's on a screen in like, let's say it's early 2000s. You have. We're still before the big transition to everybody's own smartphones. And you have a. Either a desktop that's old or a laptop that's new. One or the other is occurring. And you have a bunch of music. Music stolen from some website that you downloaded them from, or you went to a music store, downloaded them, and burned them on to a music player so you could hear them through your computer without having to put the CD in, maybe some collection of sorts. And you play them through the player. The player always had the option where you hit the thing and then boom. There's a weird thing with colors, right? And it morphs and shapes and does all this.

Cristina: Didn't one of the PlayStations have that?

Jack: Did it? Like PlayStation 3, maybe 2. Really, 2? Oh, I don't even know. D***. I don't know. But maybe. Absolutely. I don't. I Bet the current PlayStations all had them and have them. This never really looked, but I bet that's the thing. Yeah, for sure. And like, there are very complicated ones that move with the music. So I don't even know what my point was, but our show, they could go watch our show and sit down. So I guess. Oh. My point was that somebody would. Couldn't. Can in theory, sit down and watch something like that, but then they're technically still watching something happen. So if you want, in theory, you can just play the episode with a visualizer that syncs to it. Yes, that's weird because of our voices, but you're essentially seeing an anomalous blob speak to you, and it sounds like many people having a conversation. That's cool. Futuristic, least speaking.

Cristina: Weird, but okay.

Jack: Mm, very strange. But now I'm very intrigued. An anomalous blob that plays a podcast to you through a screen fire.

Cristina: Yeah, Maybe someone does that.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: F*** it, why not? Cool as H***, anyways, totally related to that absolutely relevant bit of information. We have lately been looking at a bunch of different things.

Cristina: Always.

Jack: As always. And so I'll tell you where this really begins. This is going back in time flashback to the year 1974 when it was.

Cristina: Raining that far away.

Jack: Can you imagine like out of all these timelines we've spoken that are up to several million years back so far that I'm like a long time ago and I'm like 1970. Yeah.

Cristina: So weird. Also was there you said Raining Men.

Jack: It was Raining Men.

Cristina: Does that song come out in that year or something?

Jack: No, but I was hoping I totally guess and got it right. So maybe it did. I actually have no idea. I Bet that's an 80s song though.

Cristina: Oh okay.

Jack: I bet that's late 80s, early 90s. I'm not entirely sure.

Cristina: It's 1930-1983-1983-1983.

Jack: I am off by nine years. Nine years.

Cristina: The people that sung it were called the Weather Girls. Where all their songs like themed.

Jack: Oh my God. The Weather Girls. Okay. So chances are they made. They became famous for that one song. And then because that's impossible to sustain their popularity immediately died following.

Cristina: It's Raining Men was on their third album.

Jack: Yeah. So they made a one hit way later and then they made music after.

Cristina: So you're saying they weren't called the Weather Girls before they got that song to be famous?

Jack: Oh s***. I see your point. I see your point. Yeah yeah, yeah. Cuz they had. The good ideas would have come at the beginning or at least the second album. Right. Because you have the first album when you're trying to figure it out. The second album you hit your note and your third album is your decline or your masterpiece. One of the other. I guess I could have been the masterpiece. Who knows? But one song. I don't know any other song from that album. And I don't think anybody in history has ever heard any other song from that album.

Cristina: Probably not. Probably not.

Jack: Do they have a fan base? Would be the question. Anyways. Anyways. Anyways. We gotta go back to the year 1912.

Cristina: Because.

Jack: I was trying to learn what we could about wizards. As you know we've been.

Cristina: We.

Jack: We cross paths with the lady of the Lake and we cross paths with Fae La Fay. Morgan Le Fay.

Cristina: I don't know who that is.

Jack: The chick who helped our King Arthur out.

Cristina: Oh yeah.

Jack: And so we're crossing paths with those people and we cross paths with. Actually I guess the lady of the Lake doesn't matter. Merlin.

Cristina: Merlin's the only one that matters. If you're talking about wizards, like.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Oh, that other lady was a witch or something.

Jack: Yeah, she was some s*** like that. Some real overpowered thing or a fairy or a fair. Yeah, it's kind of unclear at this point.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But I was wondering what the significance. We were talking about this, right? About a couple of things that in the last like two episodes really stuck out. And one of the things that stuck out was about the, like, what is up with these people's obsession with King Arthur? Fairies and sorcerers and all these other people. There's something beyond what we're understanding. Because if it's just some s*** that one of them made, we'll make another one. Something is actually special about Arthur. Cuz they're all behind Arthur. Yeah. If it was that much of an issue, do it again. Unless it was very energy consuming, the cost for making him is very difficult.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Which, like, what the h*** does that mean? Don't you guys live infinitely long times? Isn't this not worth your energy?

Cristina: I don't know. Are people just made from stones though, or like, like what made him?

Jack: Arthur.

Cristina: Yeah. He wasn't used with the stone, was he?

Jack: No. I actually have no clue how this man was made, but he's eventually gonna die of old age anyway, so it didn't matter. But anyways, yeah. So I'm looking, I. I see this fact that the sorcerers overpowered then and. And I'm looking like, okay, equal to Jesus. Look at Jesus. And he was also surrounded by his team. Wasn't of these people who were sorcerers of any sort. They got their abilities seemingly from Jesus. His lessons and things. He would provide and give to his people so they could be more like him and use his abilities.

Cristina: Were they using his abilities?

Jack: Yeah. Apostles had ability to heal and stuff.

Cristina: That wasn't from adrenochrome. I think that was from.

Jack: I believe those are the teachings that they got. Yeah.

Cristina: Oh, okay. That makes sense.

Jack: But on top of all that, Jesus did have people that were assumed to have witchy abilities, like the presumed he hung out with and individuals like that. And it's like, okay, so if this is true with King Arthur, then curiously, Jesus also had this thing. But what's true in every one of these cases, with the exception of La Fay, is that he seeks them out. It looks like he seeks them out at least.

Cristina: Who is he that's seeking them out?

Jack: Jesus and Arthur. They seek the individual out, but actually there was always something pulling them in the direction of this sorcerer, in the case of Magdalene, it was not that he was being manipulated through narrative, as far as we know, but it was that he was being drawn to that area to help, to assist the way he usually does. So some bigger, greater calling still took him straight to Mary, who suspected to be a sorceress. And then you have Arthur, who goes straight to Marlon because of a narrative.

Cristina: That he was writing, because of who.

Jack: He is, he had to do this thing the same way Jesus, because who he is, he had to go assist, he had to go help. He had to provide who he is to this person. Arthur had to provide who he is, is. And this in both instances, lands them in front of an individual that has an everlasting impact on their life and seems to always be present beyond that point. That's interesting. Almost like the whole point was to cross paths. So I'm like, okay, we gotta look after coming to that conclusion. Because I'm like, okay, I know that these two guys are kind of the same. And then I start looking at these comparisons because I'm just looking at them back and forth. Sorcerers, one and the other. What does this mean? What does this mean? And I come to that conclusion like, okay, the sorcerers are what matters. This is really weird. I got to look at this. So I start looking at sorcerers in general, mythologies across the world. And as I'm looking through sorcerers, hundreds, thousands of different kinds of sorcerers, scrolling, looking for a bunch of different types of magic abilities and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. One seems to show up in this culture. And then I keep moving and shows up in that one. And then I keep moving and shows up in that one.

Cristina: And the same wizard person thing.

Jack: No, not the same wizard. The same word. Which keeps showing up as I'm looking for different. I'm looking for different types of magic, allegedly, which we all know as different technologies, which is very interesting, by the way, because this might be one of the closest times I've ever been to deciphering when thing is in fact a like it's almost directly told to us based on how they describe it. But I'll get to that point in a second. The word necromancy kept showing up. And we have people magic. Yes, 100%. And we have a basic understanding of what necromancy is. Everybody has an idea. And that's the same. That very idea, what you just said. That's the idea we all have about what necromancy really is. We think it's just magic about dead people.

Cristina: Isn't it?

Jack: Well, we're gonna find out. Because that came up so frequently that I started to look towards that direction primarily. And as I started to look towards that direction primarily and started to leave behind the wizards, I stumbled upon a huge distinction between all wizards and sorcerers of all sorts. And then necromancers. Necromancers are apparently mentioned and used, addressed again, one of these words that at this point I'm just translating anything that seems to come after any pattern because it's one of these words that seemed irrelevant at the beginning, like just something that doesn't apply. And as I'm going through it and see this, the context makes sense in a bunch of texts we've been reading before. And it's essentially necromancy mentioned in a bunch of languages. Keep in mind I just go back to the sources we've had before, because that's what I'm trying to unravel further and further and further. So I end up coming across a fact that necromancy has been mentioned in front of us over and over and over and over and over. So I'm like, okay, no, f*** the rest of this information. I'm gonna look at whatever necromancy is specifically. That's where the value is. Because that's what this show's about, unraveling humanity's most absurd ideas. Anyways. So now the main purpose becomes about finding out. It left being finding out about Merlin and these individuals and became finding out about ne necromancy.

Cristina: What did you learn? Now is this about specific people?

Jack: No. Okay, so necromancy basics. This is the window into necromancy. Basic things to know. The very first individual that discovered necromancy. Not discovered. The first mention, rather ever of necromancy. Happens to be in by the Greek.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it was mentioned 2,700 years ago. That is the first mention of necromancy that we have on record written. There are stories.

Cristina: Wait, when you were talking about going, we're gonna go back in time to 1970, that had nothing to do with anything.

Jack: That time was completely random and relevant. Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. That had no, no real world value of any sort.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was just the time I picked out of a hat in 1980. I said 84. I think 1974. But 1984 is when that thing came out.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: No, it came out in 83 because it was nine years off. I said 74. Yeah, whatever. Anyways, so necromancy basics first found. The first found writing that directly use the word necromancy. Is by the Greek. It was written 2, 700 years ago. The first altered version of the word, something that means it, but is not exactly. Necromancy was used shortly thereafter. And there seems to be nine, 10 different versions of this word, spelling and enunciations, none of which I'm gonna bother with because the word necromancy is all we need to know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The very earliest recorded use of it is by Circe, which is a known collaborator of Zeus, which as we know, is the leader of the individuals in the Greek gods collective of individuals.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So. And weirdly enough, this mention is not even being brought up by the GRE getting this information specifically, which is the first mention of it being the first to mention it were the Greek. But the first time that Cersei that it was used was Circe, and that was from an Egyptian text, apparently.

Cristina: This doesn't make sense.

Jack: Yeah. So a Greek God being mentioned in an Egyptian text with an E. Egyptian man. There's a random. Or maybe he's not random, but whatever. Well, he didn't do anything miraculous there. And he. They basically just doing a. Solving a problem. And they use some necromancy to gather information by talking to a dead thing.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And yeah, so an Egyptian.

Cristina: So they wakes like a dead person up, get some answers and then that dead person stays dead?

Jack: Yes, he's an Egyptian man. He travels to Circe, the Greek God and asks for assistance with this. And Circe then brings up the dead man and allows the Egyptian man to get the answer to his question and so on.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Fire.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Simple, simple details happening. Nothing too big.

Cristina: Is there a lot of necromancy and Egyptian culture and whatever.

Jack: It seems like the culture for it right there. It seems like the culture of death.

Cristina: Yeah. So I'm wondering if that also is part of it or no.

Jack: Apparently it was very huge in Egypt and it was very huge in Persia. Necromancy was ginormous.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: It was one. So the idea was that it evolved naturally from shamanism and all that kind of natural witchy stuff.

Cristina: But are they trying, like, what's the purpose though? Is it just to get answers? People say it's to speak to loved ones. Maybe. I don't know. I'm guessing. I don't know. What is it for? What is it used for mostly?

Jack: Well, as I keep continuing, I will explain those things. It is said that it can be used to communicate with the dead in the shadow realm, if that matters.

Cristina: That might matter, I'm not sure.

Jack: And it is said that it could bridge a small Temporary local gate to the Shadow Realm allowing passage.

Cristina: Was that random lawyer and his sister in Chennai just accidental necromancies? People like what. How are they accidentally walking? Are there accident? Like, are those gates there? Or can we just. We have to do it. Does someone have to make the gate? Because with Jesus it seems like you gotta make them.

Jack: I mean, same thing with Mount Kaf, Mount Athos. Same thing with El Castillo. They're all a stationary building or structure of some sort. Jesus has the most efficient one as far as we know, which is the Shinto Gate. But ultimately it's a fixed location.

Cristina: Yes, but I guess there could be random ones that are just naturally made. Right? Because that's how battlefields probably end up with a bunch of Shadow Realm creatures. It's those deaths creating the gates, leading the whatever, wolves or whatever coming 100%.

Jack: Although it's described as a form of magic, I believe that based on some of the descriptions that I came across, it that all. And the fact that all the other magic we've come across is technology as well, that this is definitely. This is definitely one of the most prominent descriptors of something being technology as far as we've come across so far.

Cristina: How so?

Jack: I'll explain in a moment. It does more than we might think as well, which was my initial idea into looking into this deeper. Because all of us believe that it's magic of raising the dead. But this portal part I did not know of. So refreshing what we know. Because now I'm curious. This is where at the point that I finally completely decided. I'm not even returning to the other crap. My next absolute focus is necromancy. Now, I wasn't just looking at the word. I've changed my mind about the subject I'm looking into now. Necromancy has become so complex, I need to look in deeper. Right?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So I do dive deeper and it opens wide. Wide. One of the most complex things I've looked at so far is necromancy. So we're gonna refresh what we know and then collapse into the rest of it. So first mentioned by some Greeks in some Greek writing. The first use of it, by the way, the Greek writing was 2,700 years ago. And there are stories that indirectly mention it that are much older. And There are about nine to 10 different words in Greek describing the same word after and before then. The first mention of it being used is by the Zeus known collaborator Circe and a. An Egyptian man who came to her for assistance. It is believed it could be used to Communicate with the Shadow Realm. And it is believed to bridge a small temporal local gate to the Shadow Realm, allowing for passage. Now, it allows the user to create an ethereal illusion, also defined as a hologram of a being in the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Oh, like a ghost?

Jack: Like a ghost of somebody actually on that side. So you can talk to them physically. See them here. Can be used to control the will of Shadow Realm beings. This is fascinating, because this is suggesting that everything it does somehow interacts with the fabric of the Shadow Realm itself.

Cristina: It can control Shadow Realm people?

Jack: Yes, and minds of Shadow Realm creatures.

Cristina: Who made this?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: It seems really powerful.

Jack: Well, the person we actually have to look at is Cersei, because that's the first mention of somebody going to get help of. From. From somebody for this.

Cristina: But she working on Shadow Realm stuff. I know. Wait, does their team have Shadow Realm creature?

Jack: Greeks, yeah, they do. Forget who was their Shadow Realm thing.

Cristina: But yeah, they have a guy because that seems pretty crazy.

Jack: That's nuts, right? Ability to control the mind of Shadow Realm beings because their mind is made somehow different.

Cristina: You also can control dead people?

Jack: Well, it doesn't really say anything like that. I think they were just kind of assuming demons and creatures from the other side you could communicate, but it seems like they can just show you things from that side.

Cristina: But what about dead bodies here? Can't they do things to them?

Jack: You didn't come across any mention of anything like that?

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. It was more of like bringing stuff from that side over. So it seems like everything they're doing is actually just interacting with Shadow Realm energy.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like, they don't do anything on this side at all that isn't part of connecting over there first.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which becomes even more interesting in a moment. But this definitely leads us to be by far one of the most dangerous things we've ever seen. The ability to control Shadow Realm creatures will.

Cristina: That's insane.

Jack: That's nuts as h***. But apparently it always required the user to have an aid device.

Cristina: That's what they call it. What is it?

Jack: Well, it's a handheld control device of some sort or a small device worn as a necklace. Can be manually operated or voice operated.

Cristina: So it's actual tech. What?

Jack: As far as they know the descriptor words when you translate them and try to find out any possible description for what they might be. It's like the word we would say for knickknack. It's a little knickknack that he would fidget with in his hand. And a thing would happen. They would either have it in their hand or they would wear it around their neck. Like tribal wear was the most frequent comparison. And the knick knack around the neck, you would either have to again, manually do something with it or both. The one that you could just hold or the one that you wear have also been seen in such a way that you can voice activate them.

Cristina: What?

Jack: So a person has held it, not done anything, but spoken to it. And then things have happened and the same has occurred for the one on their necklace. And I'm like, these are out here at some savage a** tech, bro. Yeah, because like this just the descriptions, it breaks down to knickknacks and doodads. The descriptors that people use. The, the. The linguists and the scholars who write this down and give us the English versions that I don't trust. Say necklaces and pendants in a one to one. That is not the word. And then when you check, these people had words for necklaces and pendants. So why do they need this other word that translates to a different word from ours? It's like they don't understand what the gadget is, but they knew what the jewelry you're claiming they're saying is.

Cristina: Yeah, but they know it's not that they're not gonna say, it's that they're just like. It's this thing.

Jack: Yeah, exactly what it is.

Cristina: But it's a thing that they have.

Jack: Exactly. Little gadget, a little thingy. A thingy. They had thingy. And like that's the reality of what they was written down and what was said. There was a thingy. Should have the thing.

Cristina: Who made the thingy? The thingy come from fairies from sea people from Shadow Realm itself?

Jack: Don't know. I do not know. I do not know. That s***'s crazy. Now, personal portals aren't used between earthrealm and Shadow Realm because they are two linked realms and are sort of reflections of one another. Which creates an interesting problem where if a person is moving around on Earth Realm, the opposing side of the portal is also just moving around in the Shadow Realm. To solve this, there are stationary locations, strategically selected, where you can control where the other site is based on where the exit already is. In the Shadow Realm. Build one on one this side, build one on that side. Maybe it's safer for me to walk to Mount Koth on this side than it is for you to travel over there in the Shadow Realm and get murdered by that thing.

Cristina: Explain that again. What's happening?

Jack: Portals Cannot be. They're not usually used for individuals.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes. So portals aren't used between earthrealm and Shadow realms as an individual portal. Like personal portals, because there are two realms are linked and they're very similar and reflections of one another to some degree, which has odd effects. If a person is moving around a personal portal, you have a portable little device or something that could open a portal. You walking around means the other end of the portal is moving around in the shadow realm. So it's inefficient to know where the h*** you're gonna be.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because it's random how it works.

Cristina: So then how do you do it exactly?

Jack: To bypass this. The things built were stationary. El Castillo, Mount Ka, Mount Athos. Locations where you can cypress, where you can control. Because it's always there. It's always the same spot that didn't go anywhere. So the exit is always the same spot. You know where it's going. And again, maybe it's more beneficial for my civilization on this side. I have 15 miles of nothing but safety between here and Mount Ka, but you on your side have 10 miles of a h*** in the same direction. So it doesn't make sense for me to make the portal close to me and then you got to travel those 10 miles and die and never be able to get to me. When I could just make the thing in Mount Kaf and it shows up a little farther, but that's right in front of you in the Shadow realm and you could just jump in front so you could build it strategically because you always know where it is. That's the reason you don't have personal portals. You'd have to beat the the system of the personal portal. The problem of the personal portal, because you can't control the exit if you move, the exit moves because it's relative to where you open it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Always an issue. Big problem. This is getting into granular details between the realms. So it's kind of heavy, almost sciency details about, you know, weird sci fi ideas. Now again, the bypasses giant civilizations made big things. El Castillo, stationary location. Mount Kopf, stationary location. Mount Athos, stationary location. Cyprus, stationary location. So how the h*** do does necromancy tech allow a person to move around with a personal portal and them actively know what's going to be on the other side if it violates a rule of physics, as far as we understand, between both realms? Well, I'll explain because I found that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: What I just needed to explain how crazy complicated that issue really is.

Cristina: Yeah, but they Figured out, yes.

Jack: This is how advanced this is. These guys are breaking and you have.

Cristina: No hints of how it happened. Who started this?

Jack: I have no idea who started this. This is one of the big ones. I'm starting to piece this apart. I just found so much crap. It was just endless. So in the future we might figure it out. Yeah, yeah. This might be one of the biggest pieces we've been missing that we didn't even know to ask for. Because also in all the writings from everybody, everybody had a story of somebody going to a necromancer for assistance. That was always a desperate last, worst case scenario to go to a necromancer. But it was like, oh, everything else failed. We still can do this. Which means like, holy how op is that? That no matter what. Oh, we got the backup plan.

Cristina: It's a black backup plan. Dangerous.

Jack: Somehow though, something is dangerous about it and I don't understand what it is. Perhaps it's the interacting with the shadow realm aspect of it. I don't know.

Cristina: Maybe because maybe you could attract something you don't wanna.

Jack: I think the. Yeah, I think a lot of the ideology framing around it is that you got to understand that the people who were describing a lot of these things were primitive and were not really comprehending. So perhaps this is literally what they thought was the case. The shadow realm is not of intelligent beings, but monsters and demons. And if I fiddle with that, then monsters and demons will follow me home. Because again, they are thinking of the shadow realm as nothing but primitive, ignorant. But it's more or less the same.

Cristina: But they don't know that. Like the whole Halloween thing that we talked about before, kind of similar. That people were afraid of them coming out.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: They just wanted their relatives.

Jack: Yes. But they're actually right. There were some crazy. There are crazier things out there, but it's no crazier than creatures we have. And the same way you'd have to sort of mess up an attractor because you can go camping, it'll be fine. You are not attractive to a bear. But if you start leaving food around and you're reckless that you're told not to. Now you start attracting a bear. The same thing applies to everything. You can do the wrong thing and attract the wrong thing. And this applies to every creature.

Cristina: But people are afraid of wild animals equally. Of like going in the woods and running into a bear. That's equally scary probably than summoning some creature that's gonna.

Jack: Yeah, but it doesn't lead you to believe that all creatures on Earth Are just wild animals, which is essentially what a lot of people believe about the shadow realm. It's just a place of evil and darkness and nothing more. But no, there's people there. Just people. It's just a different thing that happened and developed somehow. Yeah. Before us. We're essentially a product of that, if anything. But I found solutions to this problem. They explain how it works. There are entire breakdowns dating far, far back Explaining how this thing works. So these are some of the explanations that actually elaborate on the technology, the literal technological aspects. And it should make so much sense.

Cristina: Okay, so.

Jack: So this is how this essentially happens. A bridge for communication or passages open through a higher realm referred to as the astral realm. Now, astral realm, I'm like, what the is this?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: No. I then bounce that in and start pulling, like, other words, other words. Somebody's gonna say something I've seen before.

Cristina: What did you find?

Jack: Well, the celtics equivalent of astral realm comes out to a world of magic, which you then take magic and find all the other Celtic words that match it. And fae and elfame and fairy are the other words associated with that same thing.

Cristina: That's very complicated.

Jack: So then you look for the other mentions that directly just translate astral realm to just astral realm, but in that language without it being a different word entirely. And you look at the words surrounding them, and they are also talking about a world of magic.

Cristina: Who's working with fairy magic? Who figured it out?

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. Somebody figured it out. And it's secretive, as. It's more secretive than the entire complicated series of secrets that we've cracked to the point that now we're coming across.

Cristina: Magic to control shadow realm. Like, this isn't.

Jack: This is. Yeah, this is higher level.

Cristina: So it basically, this is what people are afraid of. The sea people. We're figuring out that this is gonna end up being somehow related to the sea people. Yeah, we know they're powerful and the fairies are afraid of them. And the shadow realm are afraid. It like, come on.

Jack: Yeah, this is next level, right?

Cristina: Using fairy magic to control shadow realm creatures. How insane.

Jack: It's heavy. It's heavy. This is next level, man. This is next level. If that's the case, then the level at which we're grading the Elysians based on the Kardashev scale is wrong. Because you got to understand that we would need to pass quite a couple of stages before we get to the shadow realm. If we're talking scale wise, planet is first. That's One star is two. Oh, no. All the star. Right. All of the planet is one. No, all planet is. Yeah, I think all planet. All the energy of the planet. All the energy of the first star. That's number two. All the energy of the entire of a galaxy is number three. All the energy of a universe is number four. In between number four and number five, you should be able to create, manipulate, alter, and destroy universes. Which means you should be capable to be equal to things within that universe. In this case, as strong as something in the shadow realm that can make something like we are. That means that the Elysians aren't number two.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Elysians have somehow.

Cristina: They might be number one. They might be over fairies.

Jack: No, no, no. Not. Not ranked wise. I mean, on the Kardashev scale, instead of. They're four.

Cristina: Four. Okay. What's number five?

Jack: Number five would have to be the multiverse. You'd be able to control multiverses.

Cristina: Okay. We don't know that they're not there, though.

Jack: We don't know. The scale continues to grow and they're the most likely culprit for what's going on here.

Cristina: Okay, this is insane. Because, like, then what? What? And then they're afraid of Jesus.

Jack: We don't know that.

Cristina: Insane.

Jack: We don't know that.

Cristina: And they don't.

Jack: Like, they're trying to keep Jesus from them. And Jesus has ability with just knowing stuff. Jesus has some Santa Claus properties.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You know, he just knows stuff. So it's problematic. They need to be able to keep things away from a guy who just knows stuff. Something about what they're doing.

Cristina: They don't want everyone else to know the stuff that they know. Like, why would they want everyone to have this necromancy abilities, especially the shadow people. Like, I don't know. This is pretty big.

Jack: Yeah, this is pretty huge. It's pretty nuts.

Cristina: He just knows it. He could just share his secret even if he didn't know it. Know it. Like just looking at a book randomly and just sharing that knowledge with everyone by accident. Like that's what he does. And they're afraid of that.

Jack: Okay, so let's go over this again. The bridge for communication or passage is opened through the astral realm, AKA Elfhame, and to the shadow realm. It's through Elfame and to the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Ridiculous.

Jack: This is a bypass for the problem they have of a moving exit point of a moving point B because you're moving at point A Song. So how it works by bridging through the higher realm the entry and exit points meeting in this higher realm. Elfame can be fixed or tied together so that they seamlessly go from one to another like a tube.

Cristina: I think fairy trees have to do with this.

Jack: 100%.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They totally have to bring that.

Cristina: Because we know those might be dead fairies. Maybe. We don't really know. The guess is dead fairies.

Jack: Yes. This is. Yeah. I feel.

Cristina: I feel they're connected to murdered fairies. They have the fairies to make these special. Whatever you want to call them. Plants. Which not might be plants at all, but some other tech that links the three already. These might have to do with the bridge.

Jack: Yeah. And no. We know that they've been working on portals for the longest too. Yes, we know they've been working on portals. And we didn't know. We thought was just for them to get from one to another. Tricks, bro. There's tricks out there. And they were trying to figure out some tricks or did figure out some tricks. And we're piecing together. It reminds me of this game. It's a lot like what's happening with this. All the research we're doing. It's called. It's a game like a PlayStation game. And there's really tiny planets and there's a time loop happening. And you're trying to figure it out. And as you go through the time loop, you understand the time loop more. And. And you just try to find out the history of this time loop and the world surrounding it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Outer world or outer wilds or something like that. Wow. And how we continue to find information feels like that. Because it's out of sync. A lot of time. It's out of order. But again, based on the chronology of these events, the first couple of events having it are way beyond the first couple of stones being made, but before Jesus in a nice warm spot. This also serves to make sense as to why things like Joseph the golem and things like Arthur were easier to make. Because it was way better abilities happening way before that we didn't come across and are probably way more secretive.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But bridge cut through the top part of a realm. Not top of part of a room, but a higher realm. By bridging through the higher realm, the entry and exit can be linked to each other. So either be in really close proximity or tied together. Because you can fix them in this higher realm. You cut through here with one half of the tube and you fix the exit that enters from Earth to the. To Elfhame. You fix the Elfame exit because it's not connected to your Movements.

Cristina: No, it's connected to those trees.

Jack: Yeah. It's somehow stationary. And then you grab the end that comes out of Elfame into the Shadow Realm and you fix that stationary. Now you can make these two completely stationary and they won't move. Tie them to each other. Now, the point that you have in the Shadow Realm isn't moving when you move in Earth Realm. Thus completely shattering the original problem of not being able to move the portal because the destination would move with it. Boom. Necromancy technology. Solving problems at higher thinking.

Cristina: It was very magic.

Jack: Very magic. That's elevated thinking and that's fire. Which that's crazy because it does allow for the simultaneous use of both insane.

Cristina: Are we sure these aren't fairies themselves? Somehow I don't understand. How is it happening? How are they using fairy tech like this?

Jack: I don't know what to tell you, man. Additionally, there have been teachers of this information, but the circumstances. And there have been. There's a few teachers, five total in the last 5,000 years that starting roughly about 3,100 BC to about now.

Cristina: Are they fairies?

Jack: Don't know. It's unknown who they are. They just barely get mentioned. Always relative to necromancy and being teachers of necromancy. Because I'm just doing a massive search for anything relative.

Cristina: So is there no description of these things?

Jack: There's no. No, there's not. Nothing. Nothing about them. Just a couple of the roughest of details. So the teachers of Necromancy exist throughout the centuries. Obviously there are five spread out. It's unclear where in time there are. They're placed.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah. Exactly where in time they're placed. I just know where the latest is. And the earliest was about a thousand years ago. But it's like.

Cristina: And locations. Then you don't know where?

Jack: No. I can tell you the cultures that mention them, but it's unclear where these people venture out of where they live far off to go learn it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They always go to some. The only one we know for sure is the one in Greece, which is Cersei. Outside of that, everybody else ventures off to some other mystic place super far away to go learn the thing.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: So it's always vague. It's always anonymous. It's always in West Bubba. Everybody has the same thing. They go on a quest that eventually leads them to be blinded or to lose consciousness or something. So they don't know where they are and they wake up in a place that they cannot leave. And then they either get the information or get the.

Cristina: It's so Crazy because Jesus was definitely had this power.

Jack: Yeah. And this feels like an abduction, which we've discussed before as well. Being very like just elation abducting people. Because like you're just traveling and you go blind or you pass out and then you wake up in a place you can't escape, where you learn this knowledge and then you come back from that with it. Like what the f*** is that?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Sounds crazy. And you learn it from some anonymous higher intellect. So how much higher are they?

Cristina: Enough to think they're aliens?

Jack: Enough to be beyond the scope if they're. Again, if they're controlling shadow creatures, how the. The leap, the technologic leap between where we are and where that would be. And not just where we are and where that would be, but where the Elysians would be or where we thought they were and where they would have to be is still so colossal. We're not talking two, three stars. We're not talking the great void. We're talking. That's ancient old garbage to them, this tech. The Great Void. Oh, the great Void. Completely vacant black spot in space of millions of entire galaxies. Fully dark because all their stars are trapped inside of Dyson spheres. That is just ancient technology by comparison to what it seems like the Elysians are capable of doing. And it's absolutely possible they're out here in the shadows teaching people how to do these things.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Yeah, why? But of these very few details, they all mentioned the same almost requirements that the people had to have in order to go in to these practices to begin with. Otherwise they would be okay. They wouldn't even be considered. And people were rarely considered at all. There was a whole process. Eliminate. If you think Yu Yu haka show you think the bunch of people who had to fight just to get Guinan's interest. And only two of them would train with her and. Or one of them maybe. I think Yusuke was the only one who's gonna train with her. And then she made an exception for Kubara or whatever the f*** the case may be. But essentially that, oh it's a legendary somebody who does whatever. The legendary, blah blah blah.

Cristina: But involved blood.

Jack: I don't know. Very unclear. That's the point. We're back to crazy amounts of secrecy.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: That we barely know anything about. And I'm sure beyond this point information is going to start breaking down. If we start entering level four on Kardashian scale tech. I guess it's gonna fall apart quickly. But they all had the same requirements, which is a series of knowledge and disciplines required to then become just considered. And you're probably going to be rejected. To then be mentored by whoever the f*** these random nobodies are to get the abilities, or at least the opportunity to. Here's the offer. Try your best. You know. So. So they must know Latin. Anybody who did not know Latin had to start studying Latin. Didn't know how to read. Not happening for you.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We're talking long ago. Learn Latin. You have to learn Latin. If you do not know Latin, you must study Latin, because one, the teachers will only communicate to you in Latin, and two, although people have translated their works, in the more modern cases I've come across, they will not allow you to use that. Okay. They must be familiar with the technical specs and inner workings of Elysian technology.

Cristina: Are you positive? Does not make sense.

Jack: That ain't even it. Because they must also be familiar with Shadow Realm technology.

Cristina: What is happening? There's more.

Jack: They must also be familiar with Elfame technology.

Cristina: How? How's that even possible? How can a person just know about those three things? And these are human beings that are chosen because this makes no sense.

Jack: I don't know of anybody who's been chosen. I know of people who go to the trials.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: I don't know if anybody.

Cristina: There's no way anyone passes this.

Jack: I don't know of anybody who becomes one of these things other than Cersei. Everybody else is extremely anonymous.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's really complicated to come across anything.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. It's absolutely absurd. And the last one is, you must be familiar with the Philosophy of Usage. This phrase threw me so off that I have no idea what to do with it. I looked this up a million different ways and in a million different places. The Philosophy of Usage. Weirdly enough, I found it over and over, but a lot of the times I found the Philosophy of Usage I found by itself, like, as a. Like you finished a paragraph, there's just empty space, and then it just says, the Philosophy of Usage.

Cristina: Understand?

Jack: I don't either. There's no context to help me find what the f*** that means. Obviously, we're talking the translated text, but when you find out. Okay, translate this to that language, mass search the entire document. Where does this show up? Random bottom of a page. Nothing else with it. Okay. Read everything else on the page. Translate all that. Okay. Unrelated to the random one line. The Philosophy of Usage.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: You must be familiar with the Philosophy of Usage, be able to communicate in Latin and be familiar with earthrealm. Shadow Realm and Elfame Tech in order to simply be considered. And then you might still be rejected. And also, I don't know where the h*** these people go. It's very clear that it's somewhere way the f*** out there somewhere. And they know of somewhere. They don't know where. And they know that I gotta find it. That's the quest. I gotta go find it. And they do. But it's also very vague. And they're always there suddenly.

Cristina: Does it have to do with the passage of usage? I want to know what that is.

Jack: The philosophy of usage.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know what the that means. I don't know. I don't know what the h*** any of this is. This is crazy. Somebody just broke. Breaks a hole or knows how to bridge through energy in Elfheim. That's crazy for several people. Or it might be the same guy.

Cristina: I don't know. Is he related to fairies?

Jack: And exists through quite a large period of time in some of the most recent of these things that we have seen. With exception for things like a new.

Cristina: Crazy idea about the. What are those sea people called again? What are we called?

Jack: The Elysians.

Cristina: The Elysians. They are somehow fairies. Maybe we know the Shadow Realm God made them, but maybe he made them based on fairies.

Jack: I don't think he manually went out of his way and made them specifically based on how the story goes. It looks a lot like the existence of man as the older ape. Or not man. I guess not man, because this weren't man. But the Elysians in their primitive state, that was just natural development. Okay, like, he showed up. No, he did meddle with them. Fair enough. He didn't meddle with the apes, then leave, then show up after they'd advanced enough and then spoken with them. But he didn't make them. He just meddled with existing creatures.

Cristina: Well, you don't know how he meddled with them. Like, did he give them fairy blood? We don't know.

Jack: Yeah, it just says that he altered their DNA.

Cristina: Yeah, I'm wondering if maybe with some fairy DNA. I don't know how, but he knows a lot about fairies that we don't know. He knows a lot about. A lot that I don't understand.

Jack: Who this necromancer?

Cristina: Whoever this person is the leader of the Shadow Realm. The ones that made the.

Jack: Oh, you mean the elders. The, like, ancient ones, like Al and Susan.

Cristina: Yes, whoever made them. Whoever made all of us.

Jack: Oh, you mean the sh. Yeah, the Shadow Realmers who made the Earth Realm?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like Galdabaoth?

Cristina: Yes. Insane.

Jack: Yeah. That's some upscale power stuff. That. Because they're above the levels of the Shadow Realm, they're the top tier of that. And whoever these people messing with necromancy are. Are scary to those people.

Cristina: To what people?

Jack: To the top tier in the Shadow Realm based on this. Because they can just skip the Shadow Realm. You can abuse the Shadow Realm, be mobile and vanish at will. That's op.

Cristina: That is. How did they do it?

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. It's crazy. The fact that this. It was possible to piece together through enough different sources how this functions was really dumb. Nope.

Cristina: But what's that last thing? It doesn't make sense. You got no info on it? Not even tiny hint to what you can find?

Jack: I couldn't find anything on the philosophy of usage. I could find everything on the philosophy of usage of it's everywhere. I can't find anything on the philosophy of usage. As in it's never defined. It's always alone.

Cristina: Not even hinted at what it could possibly mean.

Jack: No. The only two contexts you see it in are when it's mentioned by itself, absolutely out of context, and when it's mentioned as a requirement for somebody about to take this trek. That's it. And they also don't clarify. So you know they don't know. You know they don't know. And a lot of people never get too far on the quest.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And the people who get really far on the quest usually don't make it. Anyone who make it really far on the quest and make it don't realize they make it. They're just there suddenly. Sort of like they still don't know where it is. Like they might have been close, but it could have been on the other side of Earthfall. You know, if you're getting f****** abducted.

Cristina: I guess I don't get it. Because it's the top three things than Latin for some reason, which feels like, okay, human.

Jack: No. All the most important.

Cristina: Then the philosophy. I don't know. It's haunting me. What could that mean? Is that like combining all four or something? You have to understand that you first have to know each thing and then how to combine each thing with each other. I don't know.

Jack: No, because there's a guy we know in the Shadow Gods team who knows how to merge Shadow tech. And by the way, we were talking about that guy becoming more important because we thought it was stupid that he was just picked up because he could merge the two techs or I did. And then you were like, it's about merging. And like. Yeah, exactly.

Cristina: This seems like. Yes.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, it's totally going. But you remember, right?

Cristina: He gets it.

Jack: That like tech merger.

Cristina: Yeah. He's in the Shadow Room though.

Jack: He's the Shadow Gods. Yeah, he's one of those dudes. So. I don't know. This is. It's been really twisting my head.

Cristina: That's very complicated. Where do you go from there? Can't even find what it is.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. I gotta find what the h*** the philosophy of usage is. I gotta find out who the h*** these necromancers are that are teaching people or showing them or what? I don't know. I don't know.

Cristina: So uncle, where are they from? What are they?

Jack: Where are. Yeah, where are they? What are they? Ah, it'd be crazy if we came across a different group.

Cristina: Group. Oh my gosh.

Jack: Or rogue elves.

Cristina: No, that doesn't make sense. Or maybe rogue elves. Maybe more likely badass.

Jack: I hope it's rogue elves. You know how cool that is? There's.

Cristina: There has to be the snakes.

Jack: Yeah, there's rogue Naga. Oh, you think these are Naga helping people?

Cristina: Yeah, we have the rogue elves. They're Nagas.

Jack: Some of them are. You think there's some rogue fairies?

Cristina: Yes, fairies, elves. It's the same thing.

Jack: Elves aren't Naga.

Cristina: But they're fairies.

Jack: They're fairies. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're like human looking.

Cristina: They're human looking. Oh, aren't the Nagas?

Jack: No, the Nagas are serpents.

Cristina: Sometimes serpents, sometimes humans.

Jack: Elves are made by Elfhame to push people's abilities down.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I guess supervise her abilities.

Cristina: You think some of them are rogue?

Jack: I don't know what the h*** is going on. I have no idea what the f***. This s*** sounds so ridiculous. Every time we find some new scalar for power, it's more ridiculous than the last. And we've gone from simple people who are slightly more powerful and technologically advanced than the people surrounding them to. These people are potentially so strong that universal powers couldn't put a stop to them. Talk about Goku on some s***. That's the real world Goku.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Anyways, that is what I came up with when I dove in the direction of necromancy.

Cristina: Ridiculous.

Jack: Apparently it split open the whole schnozzle.

Cristina: There has to be something else. We have. There's more. There's definitely more.

Jack: There's always more.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's literally no end to this. It just gets deeper. And bigger and wider and huger and.

Cristina: Fatter and juicier and never makes any more sense.

Jack: Yeah, it makes. I mean that's what that's gonna happen. It's gonna get way more abstract the higher up we go. But unlike finding out about things from really really really really really really really really really long ago go, it seems way easier to track down multiple sources for things more recently because there's way more records on it. And even if they're super secretive, it's hard to erase absolute mention as more people know how to write as more people leave some evidence of a narrative.

Cristina: And do you think you'll find something Morisa?

Jack: Yeah, a bunch of this stuff. Although it started pretty late, necromancy was active as like with record until pretty recently. It's still used pretty frequently now. It was way active, not just way in the past. It was actually more scarce back then. It seems to have had a big moment in the middle ages and it seems to then again have had a pretty big moment in the 16 and early 1700s which that coincides perfectly when you think about that the early 1700s 1700s leads to the birth of Draco who is the guy who had the alicorn handed to him by the so like there's a lot of you know, the closer to now we get the more sources we find more people who will just again random just captain happen to jot down about the freaking Antonio Draco.

Cristina: Yeah but like weirdo on his boat.

Jack: Okay, yeah. As more people can just do that it becomes harder and harder to erase your existence. When you show up capture casually it's further back that it breaks down. I was trying to find out origin stories from El's time.

Cristina: Impossible.

Jack: Yeah, it becomes really difficult but instantaneously I can tell you that there were a couple within just last a thousand five hundred years.

Cristina: Okay, so you can talk more about that next time.

Jack: All right, we're sure. Anyways, if you guys want to leave us some info, some translations, some opinions, some ideas, some interpretations I suppose was more what I was aiming for for the information we have provided. You guys can do that on our socials. You can hit us up at just convopod on X, on Instagram, on Facebook.

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Cristina: This has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: California was down. They're like, whatever, dude. You can brainwash those people into anything. Just should have kept the tech in California. But no, you have to backtrack California because that got sloppy too. You pass the digital law. Cause that even the Californians were like.

Cristina: Bro, what's going on?

Jack: What the. Yeah, like, what the is going on? You just cool with kids being taken and then mutilated somewhere? What you need to an excuse to cause them to bleed? Well, we can. Oh, yeah, we can do these surgeries. Mastectomies, double mastectomies on children. Yeah, that makes sense. Totally. We can chop boy's p**** off. It makes total sense.

Cristina: That's for adrenochrome, too.

Jack: All of that gets you a hold of blood. You get to cut people open. You get to create incisions that blood is going to come out of. You have to keep them alive. Oh, you know, you need several surgeries. Thousands of children need several surgeries. Who knows the process that was taking place on the island? I am sure they weren't just killing the kids. That's not efficient. You feed them, you keep them horrified, you keep them alive, and you drain them consistently. A supply was the supply island. We need to somehow figure that system out again. They were like, oh, we're f****** gonna create a medical issue, or we take the children. What did they say? You could. Your. Your child protective services could take your children and they could put your child through the transitioning process.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

July 22, 2023

Rambling 235: Norse Mythological Adrenochrome

July 22, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Does Norse Mythology mention the Shadow Realm? Did the Vikings also have adrenochrome and a method of acquiring it? What did the Luciferians and the Viking discover about mysticism that could help us understand Jesus, The Sea People, The Shadow Realm, Adrenochrome and the Garden of Eden? The duo continue to unravel the ever connecting web of lies and deception perpetrated by the Knights Templar and the governments of the world. What they discover about the Garden and Jesus changes everything we thought was true!

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Niflheim
The Viking blót sacrifices
Edda
Norse Mythology
Lucifarian Blood Sacrifice
Fetus Consumption
Heaven Realm
Earth Realm
Hell Realm
The Realm of Fog and Mist
The Shadow Realm
Three Fruits in the Garden of Eden

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And last week, we went down a pretty interesting rabbit hole that told us a lot of things about this ongoing, seemingly infinite narrative that continues to develop about, I guess, everything about the sea people, about adrenochrome. We were specifically finding out about the different parts of adrenochrome that I didn't know existed. We've been clumping adrenochrome together, thinking it was just one thing, but we found out it was three. It's the nectar, which is the liquid. It's ambrosia, which is the. The organs. And it is ichor, which exists after somebody has consumed adrenochrome.

Cristina: That's their blood or something?

Jack: Yes, that's your blood. It's basically distilled adrenochrome. You consume adrenochrome, process it through your own body, extracted. Now you have a more pure adrenochrome called ichor.

Cristina: Where did the original one come from? Not the ichor, the other one.

Jack: Nectar.

Cristina: Nectar, yes. What's that?

Jack: That's the blood.

Cristina: Okay. But that's just normal.

Jack: That's adrenalized blood.

Cristina: Adrenal. Okay. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. That's adrenalized blood and then adrenalized organs that were in the body of somebody who is high adrenaline.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Those two are while alive, and then the other is after it's been processed through somebody's body.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, consuming ichor is so pure that it can kill people. But if you want to know about that, go revisit the older episode that happened last week, because now we have something a bit different. The conversation that led us there opened a lot of thoughts, and it gave a lot of insight into things that we hadn't considered before.

Cristina: Yeah. It got us to compare Christianity to Greece mythology.

Jack: Greek mythology. Yes. And in doing so, a couple of things came to mind. One, the fact that entire human sacrifices, the firstborns, organs, blood, and the distilled version of this, which is even more impressive. More blood. Okay. We went through Greek mythology, Christianity, to land at these locations. But those aren't the only belief systems that have mentioned this in the past. And another real ancient system that I figured could give us insight was, in fact, Norse mythology.

Cristina: And you found stuff.

Jack: Obviously, you found stuff. So from last week's, episode. Three questions were asked based on what was informed, because, again, we found different ways to access the shadow realm as well, which explains the portals that Jesus had in the ichor. And all these things. All these things. Just really complicated series of things. The three questions that came to mind, what Norse mythology's connection to the shadow realm is. What Norse mythology's connection to human sacrifice and the three branches of adrenochrome are.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah.

Jack: And unrelated to that system. After we established that Christianity has a lot of mention and Greek mythology has a lot of mention of consuming humans, oftentimes children, hence the firstborn, and sacrificing the child, and literal animal sacrifice from Cain and Abel, which might be a metaphor for a child. All these things, it made me wonder. One of the most controversial and direct versions of child sacrifice is abortion. And one of the main forms of abortion, other than the obvious, the clear, the. The. The unavoidable one where women straight up go to a place, a fetus is extracted and taken, who knows where. You're done, you exit, your job is done, you dropped off the fetus and you leave. We know that if everything else were to assume about adrenochrome is true, then that fetus is being used in something twisted, which is a whole deep dive for the future. But as we're looking into mythologies, specifically abortion brings up an interesting group of people who are well known for performing abortions, which is Luciferians.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. Instead of going through the science aspect of these Planned Parenthood places and abortion centers, which is obvious what they're doing, let's approach this from a mythological standpoint and a belief system. And then in the future, we'll go to the scientific angle of the same thing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, Luciferians call it a blood sacrifice. By the way, it is hard as h*** to find anything on Luciferians. I did not realize how complicated tracking this would be. Almost nothing.

Cristina: Super secretive.

Jack: Super secretive, I guess, because it would be too many similarities with obvious things. So it's a huge suppression effort from anybody who's okay with abortion to begin with because you don't want these two wires to get crossed and people be like, wait a minute. So this is gonna be the shortest part of this conversation. And it is also probably absolutely the darkest. So I will warn anybody listening, this is gonna get really f***** up. I usually don't give a warning, but this is about children. This is pretty f***** up. And this is recorded. These are things that people have done and that sometimes still happen today.

Cristina: Okay. So the stories that you have found. These are like people who witnessed it that were not part of the group because they were not gonna like. No one in the group is sharing these secrets.

Jack: They are totally fine with sharing these things because there's no proof of anything.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They are absolutely stories. As far as we know. There's no way to prove it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Because the. The self proclaimed Luciferians gladly will share this information because how do you prove it? So they call it a blood sacrifice and it is the purpose of it. This is first of all where I'm like, oh s***. There's a lot of similarities already. It's performed to create. And these words are very important because we're going to revisit them later.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Blood sacrifices are performed to create a strong connection with gods of the other realm. Interesting. Very specific word selection. I came across gods of the other realm often time naming one of these gods Lucifer. Less relevant, just important information, I suppose, for the sake of Luciferianism.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But it's created to. They're performed to create strong connections with gods of the other realms. Of the other realm. They say realm exclusively gods of the other realm. Now, allegedly performing the ritual grants the participants abilities, youth and immortality, which we've.

Cristina: All come across with just looking up.

Jack: Adrenochrome, picking up adrenochrome, small detail that is going to give us a lot of insight that we haven't heard anywhere else though it gives ability, youth and immortality and the ability to hear the voices of the gods of the other realms in your mind.

Cristina: Oh my gosh, the Bible makes so much more sense though. Oh my gosh, the Bible makes so much sense now.

Jack: So many questions.

Cristina: Nobody was speaking to them. That's why we don't hear him anymore. Oh my gosh, that is so wrong.

Jack: But who says they do hear God? The priests? The Pope. Do you see? No.

Cristina: Oh my gosh, it's so happening.

Jack: Also, can the Pope still hear the voice of God? Oh, those under the crown are talking directly to God.

Cristina: Oh no. Oh, what?

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. And this is going to inform future information which we'll get to.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: How the ritual takes place. The blood sacrifice ritual. A pregnant woman, about six to eight months of pregnancy. The baby is extracted, oftentimes in the woods, forcefully. Kill. Extracted and killed. The body of the child is opened, starting at the chest between the ribs and lowering till right before the pelvic bone and that is torn open. The blood that builds up in the cavity is scooped up and they cover themselves with it on their skin. This reminds me of the countess who used to kill her maids. So they cover themselves on their arms, they cover their face, they cover their neck, they cover their chest, they cover their arms, their arms and their legs.

Cristina: This is way more disturbing. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: They remove the organs of. From the body and consume them raw.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They consume the organs of the fetus or infant raw, whichever one you want to call it. And they sometimes engage in an orgy as the ritual is performed. Hence the blood orgy title. That's the only way I found this through blood orgy, ironically. Okay, Ironically, the only way I found this was through South Park. I typed that in. So they must have gone down the rabbit hole too and found this s*** through there. Because I couldn't find crap until I typed in blood orgy, which I remembered from south park and linked me back. And now a whole bunch of doors of Luciferianism opened.

Cristina: That is crazy.

Jack: And the most important thing about the ritual is the mother is the only one allowed to consume the child's heart. I don't understand the significance of that. Nothing was elaborated on that. This is part of the ritual. The mother is the only one allowed to consume the child's heart.

Cristina: Maybe it's just so special to this baby. It's a treasure. It's her treasure she's giving back to herself, I guess.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: It's some weird. Whatever. That's the sermon. Okay, so they eat its.

Jack: They cover themselves in its blood and they eat all its organs. And only the mother can eat the heart. And it gives them the ability. It gives them abilities, youth, immortality, and most importantly, it gives them the capacity to hear the voice of gods from the other realm.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. What?

Jack: Dark.

Cristina: That is so dark.

Jack: That's dark. Dark.

Cristina: I don't.

Jack: That's the deep end. But necessary to go through in order to realize. Yes, the abortion ritual, which is the best way to call this for the understanding of other people, the abortion ritual is acquiring nectar and ambrosia. Interesting enough, it doesn't mention anything about them drinking the nectar. They're just covering themselves in it, which tells us ambrosia is more powerful than nectar because they're still consuming that part of it.

Cristina: Okay. And I mean, but it's still in it, like, too.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: It's filled with the matter. Yeah.

Jack: And what's most interesting about this is the ability to hear the voices of the gods from the other realm. This is interesting because we haven't stumbled upon this before, which means just having adrenochrome doesn't do this. Or just having ambrosia doesn't do this.

Cristina: No, but Jesus's story makes so much sense now.

Jack: Jesus, the narrative kind of clarifies a lot. A lot.

Cristina: It makes it what he does. Not even weird for that time because they were already doing stuff like that for God. Anyways.

Jack: Like now, to answer a question, this was first question. How does abortion relate? Answered how abortion relates to adrenochrome.

Cristina: Life changing. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Now, going back one question to what the connection between human sacrifice and the Norse is. The Norse are basically Vikings. We say Norse mythology in order to allow people to. Because we can't say Vikings and then have to make the connection every time the Norse allows people to just instantaneously understand the people who believe in Norse mythology.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But to elaborate, the people who believe in Norse mythology are the Viking.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Those were the people who believe in the north in the Norse mythology. Now, before we dive into what Norse mythology is exactly, and how this has informed our. Our information and everything we've been connecting and the fact that it is obviously one big picture broken up into fragments.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Vikings do in fact have a connection to adrenochrome. They have what is called the blot sacrifice. Oh, and in the blot sacrifices, they sacrifice to the gods in order to acquire things in return.

Cristina: What are they sacrificing?

Jack: Humans and animals.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And oftentimes these humans and animals are hung. But let's follow this next important detail. They are hung in ritual locations with, and I quote, strong connections to the gods and the other realm, of course.

Cristina: Okay. The other realms. Okay.

Jack: Which is exactly what happens in the blood sacrifice. The point is to get a stronger connection to the gods.

Cristina: Oh, that's why they're doing in the woods.

Jack: Yes, exactly. Where are the Vikings hanging their sacrifices? From trees in the woods, in areas with strong connections.

Cristina: They wouldn't happen to have mountain, a mountainy area, would they?

Jack: Well, we will answer that eventually.

Cristina: Okay. Just for some reason popped up Moses on his mountain. Like, why didn't we think of that too? Like, mountains have become much more important to the story.

Jack: Much more significant, the fact that Moses went up to a mountain and came down with not only information that transcends the capacity of humans, but saying he directly spoke. Spoke to God and his face was glowing.

Cristina: Actually.

Jack: Was his face going? I think his face is going. No, it was the other guy who saw his shoulder or some crap. Right. Something like whatever. He came down. Super awesome. Yes, because he went up a mountain and spoke to God. God's on top of mountain.

Cristina: And we have heard that he's on top of mountain.

Jack: Like we have heard that. Yeah. Okay, now about the blot sacrifices. The blood from the sacrifices are collected in bowls and twigs used to splatter the blood on the altar, on the walls and on cult participants. They're not drinking it, they're putting it on themselves. The same way of the. As the blood sacrifice.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the blood sacrifice is the English translation almost of the blot sacrifice.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The Vikings were performing a abortion sacrifice, but not necessarily with a fetus or an infant, just with people. And the hanging, I'm presuming, creates the most amount of fear because, you know.

Cristina: But they're not eating this.

Jack: Well, interesting enough, the next part of this is the fact that they do extract the organs from the bodies.

Cristina: Is it just animal bodies or you're.

Jack: Saying it's humans and animals alike? Oh, humans and animals are hung in the woods. Their blood is collected in bowls, splattered the blood on the altar's walls and on the cult participants. And the meat is collected, eaten by all in attendance. Identical. Identical with the intention of what? To get. To get something to connect to the gods and get something in return from them, which they believed were the abilities they were acquiring, which they believe was the youth they were acquiring. Which they believe was the immortality they were acquiring. But doing the sacrifice was the only way to what, engage with the God in the first place?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh, communication with God.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: So this there have been important, important, important. We've established something like this long ago. If there's enough concentrated fear within a region, a being from the shadow realm can cross over. The less there is, the harder it is, the more ghost like you are. But the more there is, the more solidified you become. Until you can completely cross over without the need for a gate. Okay, what's happening here is exactly that. They're either creating a mental connection, so it's the faintest when it's just a infant was killed and you guys consume and drown and put it on your bodies. You cover yourself in the baby's blood, you eat the baby's organs, and you start hearing all the effects that we know of. Adrenochrome happen. And then you start hearing the voice in your head. This is bare minimum. Nobody's scared here. Baby's dead. Nobody's scared here. You guys are looking happily to get here. And still the lowest frequency of what you've done in a high concentration area. You can still hear it, but a lot of Fear a lot of collection a lot of something. And you can directly interact with the God, which is what the Vikings have. You hang the people from the trees. A lot of fear in an area. The area is already suspected to have high concentration, many bodies hanging from trees. You concentrated it, and now you have more access to these beings. The rules apply cleanly as we established them before.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There is a degree. It's by degree. It's a slighter. The more. The more clear your connection is.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: Now let us dive into what Norse mythology actually is, because this is going to inform a whole other s*** store of things. First, Norse mythology predates Christianity by about 2000 years. It is called the EDDA. That is in its language, the EDDA focuses on a giant tree that connects all of the nine realms. It's an immense central tree. And above, there are places. Below there are places, and around, there are places. And we consider these the realms.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now let's go through these realms. There is a realm called Muspelheim. This is the Land of Fire. Sounds very similar to Hel. It's just lakes of fire and rivers of fire. And a lot of fire.

Cristina: A lot of fire. Are there creatures of fire? I guess.

Jack: Things of fire. All of these places got creatures that are native to them.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Asgard, the realm of the gods, AKA heaven. Right. Okay.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Located dead center of the tree. Directly above it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Floating above it.

Cristina: Where's the fireplace located?

Jack: Below the tree.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes. It's. You got to go downwards from the tree to get there directly. Center of the tree, below it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, within Asgard, there is a place called Valhalla. And Valhalla is where people go when they die. And they are honorable. Literal gates of heaven.

Cristina: Yes. For the best lords or whatever.

Jack: Then we have Midgard. Midgard is where the base of the tree is.

Cristina: Is that Earth?

Jack: This is Earth. This is what we would call the Earth Realm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Now.

Jack: Jotunheim, Home of the gods.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Of the giants. My bad. Home of the giants. Dominated by mountains, rivers and forests.

Cristina: Mountains, is it. Where is it on this tree?

Jack: Weirdly enough. This falls next to Midgard.

Cristina: Okay. Seems very reachable.

Jack: Very reachable. Vanaheim. Home of the Vanir. The Vanir are ancient. An ancient branch of gods. They're the gods that predate the Asgardian gods.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The location of this is actually unknown. What? But it is only accessible through Asgard.

Cristina: Okay. So it's up in Heaven.

Jack: It's up in heaven.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's another level of Heaven or somewhere around Heaven. That's a weird one, isn't it?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then there is Alfelheim, home of the Light Elves. Important what I'm about to say. This is located next to Asgard. This is the third place in heaven.

Cristina: Okay. The elves live there.

Jack: Light Elves are the gods of nature.

Cristina: Okay, that makes sense. Okay.

Jack: Now this one's complicated. Svartalfheim. Svardofeim. Okay, so this one is the home of the dwarves, located underneath the crust of the earth.

Cristina: That's its own realm.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Helheim, home of the dishonorable dead.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: This is where the punishment happens.

Cristina: That's also in the bottom, somewhere below.

Jack: Now, let's put this into a perspective. I only mentioned eight for a very specific reason. We'll get to the ninth one in a moment.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If we're going to put this in an image that we can understand clearly, we would say the Christian heaven contains Asgard, Vanaheim and Alfelheim. Thus the realm of the gods, realm of the old Gods, and realm of.

Cristina: The elves, which are still gods.

Jack: All in heaven? Yes. These are all kinds of gods.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Different realms at this point is losing its meaning and becoming more of continents, countries, something along those lines. We got to think of them as. Okay, within Asgard, there are two other important locations. So Alheim is where the brave go when they die during battle. That's the other side of Heaven. Of Heaven. Of the. Of Valhalla.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's. It's interesting because all four Alfelheimer is what I'm talking about, because Alfelheim is where the Light Elves go. And then Folkvanger, which is where the other half of the brave go. They don't go together. They get split into two groups, both for the honorable. Okay, so there's just many locations in Heaven.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Different areas in Heaven.

Cristina: Sure. Where the gods, angels, and, I guess the humans that deserve to go up there.

Jack: The easiest way to think about the elves is that they're angels. Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's the easiest way to think of the. The elves. It's two different eras of gods and angels. But there's something important about laying it out like this that matters a lot because it tells. It informs our view of Earth even more. The fact that we come across Zeus and Jehovah coexisting. But we look at this layout, and even within Heaven, they've got their own.

Cristina: Territories, which we feel like on Earth, they all have their own territories.

Jack: Most importantly, we're talking just elevation. Like I said, the way we're describing Realms. When we're talking Norse mythology, it doesn't seem like you cross some magical threshold or become a different physical type of thing. It looks like they're just physical spaces that coexist.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And when we're talking about Asgard and Vanaheim and Apelheim, we're just talking about high altitude. Yeah, the highest of altitude. Which reminds us of things like Olympus.

Cristina: Which is right there.

Jack: Station on top of a mountain.

Cristina: Yeah, the highest mountains.

Jack: The highest of mountains.

Cristina: In this case, the highest of trees.

Jack: Well, they're not placed on top of the tree.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Just know they're over the tree.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It says floating, but they're just over the tree. We know they're over the tree. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Weird that they're just physical spaces.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: No transcending anything. You just. If you had a plane back then, you could just reach them. Weird. Now, what we're gonna call the Christian Earthrealm contains Midgard, home of the humans. Jotunheim, home of the giants.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Svaltalheim, home of the dwarves.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Dwarves are just below the crust. That's still physically Earth.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Specifically says that they. You can reach them through caves.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's not a complicated. Like, nothing is happening here. That's crazy. No, they're just underneath the ground. The end. Not even far underneath the ground. You just. You can get there through a cave.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we got giants. They hang around the mountains and in the woods. We got the humans hanging in the plains and in the forests, along with some giants who also hang out in the forest. And then we have the dwarves that hang out underground and inside caves and whatnot.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Very Earth like atmosphere.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Important that the giants are often closer to mountains because mountains in Greek mythology are where the gods are hanging out. And the giants climb the mountains to attack the gods.

Cristina: Yes. And they're supposedly giants in the Bible.

Jack: But the giants in the Bibles aren't hanging out in mountains. Neither is God. Well, except when he was talking about Moses.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh, s***. So in every case, we have gods on top of mountains. Always.

Cristina: And we have giants and we have.

Jack: Giants, but we don't have giants at mountains in Christianity. We do have giants and mountains in Norse mythology. We do have giants and mountains in Greek mythology, but we don't have it in Christianity. Just patterns, weird consistencies. And the fact that again, we have all of Earth realm seem like a physical space.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The traversable physical space. You could walk to all these locations.

Cristina: Although they only took the dead to those locations.

Jack: None of These I have mentioned, are where the dead are.

Cristina: The ones in the.

Jack: Oh, the ones in heaven. Yeah, the heaven equivalent.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which is weird, right? This very Dragon Ball Z esque scenario where you could just like, well, I'm gonna go see dad after he died, and you'd literally just go shake hands with him and King Kai's planet or some crap. That's a weird one. Like, no, he's just over there. That comes down sometimes. He chills with us.

Cristina: Dragon Ball seems closer to his truth.

Jack: Yeah, it seems the case might be. Now, the Christian h*** still in Norse mythology, is divided into two parts, which is Muspelheim, the land of fire, and Helheim, home of the dishonorable dead.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: These don't seem traversable anymore. Unless we're talking really, really, really, really deep into the Earth, which also seems to be, how the narrative goes. A physically reachable place. It's a m*********** to get to. The hardest to get to of all these locations, you're closer to get to Asgard than you are to h***.

Cristina: But it's right under us.

Jack: It's right under us. You can get there. Yeah, you can get there. And just as we have giants before mountains, before heaven, we have dwarves before the crust, before h***. There's always something, some creature buffer between these two locations. It's very important that we keep in mind buffer creatures.

Cristina: Buffer creatures.

Jack: Buffer creatures. Very, very interesting that we have a lot of that. Now, the last realm that I've not mentioned is called Heffelheim. And Heffelheim is described as the land of mist and fog, a hazy, unclear, unsure place that is somehow connected to the tree that connects everything else. But just like the one location in Asgard is unclear where this is really at.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's not a place of punishment or a place of reward. It's more like Earth, but a warped version of it that's unclear and foggy and jumbled in a way which sounds almost identical to the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: What? I think it's the shadow realm.

Jack: Interesting enough. Christianity also has its version of this. It's Limbo.

Cristina: Oh, that's.

Jack: It's a. Not punishment, not reward kind of Earth, like wasteland, other thing.

Cristina: Yeah, the shadow realm. What's that place called? The misty place.

Jack: Niflheim considered the Mist World.

Cristina: The mist world. Is there anything in the mist world, did they say?

Jack: It's not specific. There are, like, creatures. There's a lot of fog, there's some river. That's actually where the tree gets its water from.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Gets his Water from the mist world.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Think about this. The tree connects every other realm and gets its life source from what's essentially the shadow realm. What are we learning from this?

Cristina: I don't. I feel like we're learning something. I haven't learned something.

Jack: I don't know what it is.

Cristina: I don't know what it is. But it feels important.

Jack: It does feel important. Right? There's some greater significance to our entire. Everything. All versions of it. Heaven, h***, Earth. All relying on the existence of the shadow realm somehow.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Our power source is the shadow realm. And we know there's a natural flow from that way this way. But we have to unnaturally access that location. It is a one way street. Normally speaking.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Life comes from. But life doesn't go to. We have to cheat our way over there.

Cristina: Which I guess is a good example of the tree taking life from it and not giving anything to it.

Jack: Exactly. We cheat our way. We come up with adrenochromes and we come up with Jesus gates and. But ultimately it should be a one way street. We're just breaking that rule.

Cristina: Yes, but why is it a one way street?

Jack: Why is it a one way street? And why is everything dependent on that? Why is it in Norse mythology is claiming it is the source of the tree's life. And the tree sustains life of everything else. All the other realms rely on the tree. This is the most important detail. All the other realms rely on the tree. And the source of the life for the tree is its most insignificant of places.

Cristina: So how is it related to us?

Jack: I have no idea. I have no clue how that came to be.

Cristina: Interesting. We'll figure something out. I know we will. But it's. It's interesting.

Jack: Now in Norse mythology there is a very important detail. Usually if you are not a person with the capacity and natural ability to cross from realm to realm, you use the tree to get there. Usually gods can easily move from one to the other traverse. Presumably because going to heaven means you gotta fly or some PS like that. Going to h***, you gotta cross. Crazy. Maybe only the dwarves know the way. Or the people who from h*** know the way. And so you need special information or special abilities to access things. But the tree has all the answers. If you wanted to get there and weren't one of the knowing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Although there's no understanding of how to get the Niflheim. You can access it through the tree.

Cristina: What?

Jack: You can go to the tree and one of its roots will lead you straight there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Also, there are three routes total. And they spread out in different directions.

Cristina: And they all take you somewhere.

Jack: One of which. The other two are completely insignificant. They don't go any more important because what they do is completely different.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The tree will give you the information you require. That is why you go to the tree to learn how to access some of these places.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The tree as being connected to Asgard and being connected to Midgard and being connected to Helheim and all the other places can also provide somebody who completes the trees trials with the abilities that are provided to the inhabitants of these locations.

Cristina: What? There's a trials? What?

Jack: Yeah, the tree can give you trial. It's a tree of everything, can give you trials that will give you God abilities or abilities of those in h*** or creature abilities. Yeah, you go through these trials to accomplish these things. A tree can provide trials. A tree doesn't talk to you or anything. It'll just. Trials will become apparent. I'm not sure how. Yeah, I guess you stand in front of and hallucinate or something. There's a whole other conversation about what this tree is supposed to f****** be.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: But the most important part of this tree is it. There is a route that guides you where there's no other way to access. That is an incredibly important sentence. The two ideas are, there are three routes to this tree. One will give you the knowledge you need, one will give you the ability you need, and one will allow you to traverse a distance you need. This is important because the Garden of Eden claims to have two trees. One with knowledge and one with life. Immortality, the power and the knowledge. But you dig deep enough into Christianity and you come across the Tree of Cavalry, which isn't a literal tree. It is the piece of wood that Jesus Christ was nailed to. It is the cross. They call that the Tree of Cavalry because it is wooden.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If you avoid Christianity and you go to the original texts that were translated into Christianity and translate them yourself. That very Tree of Calvary was cut from a hunk of wood that came from the Garden of Eden.

Cristina: How?

Jack: Because it was part of Jesus's plan. He brought the wood.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Oh. And he got crucified on the wood. Although nobody knew where it came from.

Cristina: It was part of his plan.

Jack: There was a ritual that took place. Oh, my gosh. There's a ritual that took place with somebody dying. Jesus Christ.

Cristina: Knew how to come back.

Jack: It'll allow him to traverse an impossible distance into another realm.

Cristina: How do you get that wood? Who let him in?

Jack: Somebody let him slip in. Or somebody brought it out.

Cristina: His Mom.

Jack: His mom wasn't allowed back in until she had. Until he was dead.

Cristina: But maybe she had it with her.

Jack: They wouldn't have kicked her out with it. They were supervising that lady at every corner. But there is a question there. There is a literal question there.

Cristina: Where did he get it?

Jack: Where did he get the Tree of Cavalry? Which, by the way, weirdly enough, if you translate it backwards. Not translate backwards. You find the original text and translate it without the edited versions and the warped text that they come up with.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: They call it the Tree of Soul. That's the literal, exact translation. I don't know why the Tree of Cavalry is how it ended up, but.

Cristina: So you got the knowledge.

Jack: If knowledge, you have life and you have soul. The Tree of Soul. Spirit. I don't know what the relevance of the word soul is, but if we call it that, maybe we'll think of it differently. It's a tree of soul. Jesus Christ acquired a piece from a tree that would allow the consumer of the fruit of that tree. And by the way, this took a lot of digging to find out. The consumer of the fruit of that tree. Yes. It also had a fruit like the other two trees.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: To, like a fairy at will be able to cross through realms. What, like a fairy?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: As we know, the fairies are the only beings that are neither from here nor there that can easily hop in and out of Earth realm and the shadow realm, like nothing. Which also suggests the third realm, which would fall in line with Christian beliefs in the first place. No, I don't know where the they're from. I just know they can enter the shadow realm and Earth realm easily. We haven't really established where they're from. We just know that the fairies can kind of hop in and out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're the only things we know that don't require any kind of anything else. Yeah, and that's how they actually made the deal with, presumably, Santa Claus, who has the tightest grip on all this s*** to begin with. Again, you guys can find that in another episode, of which there are many.

Cristina: Okay, so he somehow managed to get a piece of this tree and the fruit of this tree?

Jack: No, he managed to get a piece of the tree because I believe he couldn't. I think acquiring the fruit was harder. Maybe it would have been too obvious. So they removed the piece of the wood, and then getting crucified on the wood allowed him to now have something relative. Maybe it wasn't even about him crossing. Maybe he required this as part of the ritual that would allow him to hear a voice in his head.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: From the other side.

Cristina: So I don't think this thing was already talking to him.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Or maybe he did perform some other ritual. He did have that thing about the flush, you know?

Cristina: Yeah, I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. There's a. It brings up a lot of questions.

Cristina: Yeah, he's doing a lot of things.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Where did he get this lid? How? It's from the Garden of Eden. And you don't think Mary was a.

Jack: P. Oh, I'm actually f****** up a little. Eating the fruit actually requires the consumer to die before they get the abilities out of the way. Eating the fruit of spirit requires you to die to acquire.

Cristina: Whoa. What? Wait. What does the fruit do again?

Jack: The fruit allows you to traverse from one realm to the other. Okay, so he did get the ability. That's actually what did happen in dying on the cross. He acquired the ability. But again, you do still need to be brought back to life.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The fruit of life doesn't bring you back to life. It gives you mortality. And yes, I still believe that Adam and Eve are a technology different. Different episode for what I stumbled upon related to that.

Cristina: Okay, okay, okay.

Jack: But yes, quite definitely their technology. And I think all of this is technology. I think the fruits are a version of technology.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: I think this is the sea people breaking the rules to do different things without having to use fun. Fact or not? Fact, but theory. Enter unicorns. We have three different fruits. I think this is why unicorns are f****** relevant. Yes, there is engineered something. Genetically engineered something. But people were getting horns that were giving abilities. So maybe that theory is bullshit, that this was a genetically engineered creature. I think the Pegasus was definitely genetically engineered, but I don't think the unicorn was because people had. Antonio Draco, bro. He gave this to people who couldn't walk. And they could suddenly walk. If the people couldn't see, they could suddenly see. There was something about this unicorn, the alicorn. Something about alicorn that the sea people were fully aware of. And the sea people also happen to have the Garden of Eden, which contains four different technologies. A technology for immortality without adrenochrome.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: A technology for some unearthly knowledge. A technology to traverse the realms. Like dying after you've had a dream of chrome. Almost identical. When you consider the fruit of spirit, you have to.

Cristina: They knew about this other place. Somehow they're connected to.

Jack: Well, they already knew about my cough. That they got the f*** away from. And that was a direct link to the shadow realm.

Cristina: They did something wrong, they did something.

Jack: Bad and they act. And whatever the technology code Adam and Eve is.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I think they used unicorn alicorns in order to make these technologies. That's where that piece fits. It's something with incredible abilities. That isn't science. They use it and added it to science to make things happen.

Cristina: I don't think it's a creature from here either.

Jack: I think it's a f****** fairy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I think a unicorn is a fairy. I think it's a horse fairy.

Cristina: It's a horse fairy. It's a fairy. It's a fairy. It's for sure a fairy.

Jack: For sure fairy. They. There's an animalistic non hyper intelligent fairy like other creatures. It's just wherever the fairies come from, there are animals.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That aren't like crazy intelligent like normal people or normal fairies. It's just an animal because we know the shadow realm also has it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The shadow realm has intelligent beings and it has their animal equivalent.

Cristina: Yeah, I think. Yeah, you're right. I think the fairy. Those are fairies.

Jack: Those are fairies. Unicorns are fairies. I am for sure. A Pegasus is something genetically engineered. It's just things that exist over here that they put together and look cool. Look at my cool car. Or whatever. But unicorns are fairies.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they know how to use unicorn blood and unicorn alicorns to make these technologies that they are trying to hide from whatever either they're. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Because now we're hitting the wall again. I'll find something else in the future. But this is. It's making a lot of sense so far because this began originally with unicorns and then we left it behind because. Didn't seem to connect anywhere.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It didn't seem to go anywhere. These special abilities, these things. But everything that. The one thing we've known is whatever you could do with adrenochrome, you could do with alicorn. Of course the idea was this.

Cristina: I think they. The power that they have. Adam and Eve is what the gods want. I really think that's what they want because that's the thing of life. Like in the Norse mythology, they made people a lot like God made people. But like it feels very technology. Like it wasn't natural birth or anything. They, they made. They made people. They want this technology because they don't have it.

Jack: So you think Adam and Eve Is in fact population technology.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The ability to create.

Cristina: Gods aren't really gods. They're just someone who found the tech to make life. And there's people that want that. These higher beings, they're fighting over this.

Jack: The people who have it are the sea people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The argument here is that the sea people are equal in caliber to the rest of these gods.

Cristina: Yeah, they are.

Jack: And we. The weirdest part is we can home then the idea is whole other perspective. And we've talked about this before, I guess. Yes. Yeah, we talked about this a long time ago about just Jehovah. That Jehovah came from a group of people and they just got more progressively powerful over time. They were made by something, but possibly technology too, that with enough time, the goal was to get one of these things to cross over to the next stage where they themselves could make life.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And every civilization has its own version of that. That's what the Greek gods are. They were something that managed to get to this God like power, but they were just mortals like we were. And Jehovah and whatever people he's from also, again, they were just some form of mortal that elevated to that point. And the Norse gods, again, just some form of mortal that elevated to that point. And we're witnessing with the sea people another form of mortal that elevated to that. And maybe might not be exactly that. The road is the same. But they're as close from our.

Cristina: Yes, I think they're stopping the whole. The God part, the end part of it happening though. Because all of these stories, they end with the God finally getting the thing and then restarting and everything happens again and then the new God and then whatever. Yeah, because Jesus would have been that God. But they're stopping him.

Jack: But they're stopping him. Then what's the point of stopping it?

Cristina: Because it ends. All of this. It.

Jack: The reset. The reset God Jesus would have been the one. Yes, that Jehovah. Jehovah's winning. That's the argument here. Jehovah was winning. We would know because it's also the most dominant religion. Even Islam contains Christianity within it.

Cristina: It's not. He's not winning because he didn't get to restart because we're still here.

Jack: He was winning. He was, he was winning. And Jesus was the way. He was the one who had the guy who was actually gonna do it. I did it. I beat all of you. I got him. I got the guy who's gonna reset the system. That makes me God and that makes him the God who takes my place. But the sea people didn't allow it.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So, but we know Jehovah of Dark isn't the same as Jehovah of Light. We just don't know what the h*** to call Jehovah of Dark. Jehovah of Light is just another sea person and he's part of who's stopping this. So Jehovah of Dark found the right being because again, what were the visions, what were the visions that forced them to get rid of Mary in the first. The first place? That's another weird thing. This guy somehow started to communicate with this kid and other people and oh yeah, find the kid. Find the kid for me, people. Chances are the people who are having the visions of Jesus in the first place were people who went through the ritual and started hearing the voice in their head.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, those people. Yeah.

Jack: But then why were they having visions of Jesus? I understand getting the voice of Jehovah of Dark. These rituals are essentially meant to connect to the shadow realm.

Cristina: But why.

Jack: But why? And why, again, why are we getting. Why is there energy reliance on the shadow realm? One question we need to figure out. Why is Jehovah of Dark so interested in Jesus if that's not even his descendant? Why is. Why are his people. I mean, I guess his people are trying to stop it so the gods don't find the technology that is in fact the way to do it because they haven't figured it out. And the sea people have it. I understand getting. I guess getting Jesus was about that.

Cristina: Why do we think there's a Jehovah Dark? How do we know that's not Jesus? He's separating these two characters.

Jack: Well, Jehovah of Dark is literally who's been kind of doing a lot of this crap. It's. We have Jehovah of Dark at the very crossing point where all these horrible things end and needing sacrifices end and all this stuff. And then we just have Jesus suddenly show up. We have Jehovah of Dark in many instances, communicating and asking for really dark things. This is why the sacrifices were asked for. Jehovah of Light has no reason for that. Jehovah Light is who's still around. He got rid of Jesus and then we're just hearing Jehovah of Light all the time. No more Jehovah of Dark.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: They are clearly two different. The switch from one to the other was so dramatic that it's obvious they were two different beings. And Jesus trying to create gateways to access the point he can die. Go back and have a gate to come through already. Fine. But then he is a physical creature from this side to have to die to get there first. Jehovah of dark is some s*** over there trying to f****** get people to create that fear and that thing because he needs that to come through. Jehovah give a crap. So we're arguing Jehovah of light is equal to the Greek and the Norse gods. And Jesus was gonna be. We're not gonna be. Jesus was just some other guy. This is some kid. But something weird happened. So the sea people were definitely elevating quickly to the point that they already have the population. Technology. Probably, yes. And they have the ability to traverse realms which even the Norse gods don't and the Greek gods don't, but the sea people do. So we're also talking that, again, these are just technologically advanced beings that seem like gods from our point of view, but it's just technology. They have to. Yes, the Norse and the Greek, the Christian. This is just technology.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Except when we're talking about the Shadow.

Cristina: Realm, what are you missing?

Jack: I don't know what we're missing. There's a lot of questions answered and a lot of questions just that popped up.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: It's complicated.

Cristina: Complicated. Still so many missing pieces.

Jack: And everything depends on the Shadow Realm. Somehow the Shadow Realm is fueling this side somehow. And Mount Kaath was an access point. And the Shadow people somehow made Mount Kaf invisible. It was very important for them to do that. Now, that doesn't stop anything from Mount Kaath from coming to this side. As far as I know, you made it unseen.

Cristina: But they can still.

Jack: Which is about other people not finding it. So not letting others access the Shadow Realm is important, but you having access to the Shadow Realm is important. You found a way to get there without needing the mountain. So you hid the mountain. You have the fruit that allows you to get there. Well, code fruit. Some technology. You have some technology that allows you to cross the threshold into the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: What are they doing? I don't know. I don't know. Because what would they want to do with those?

Jack: And something about the old equator involves. Is involved here. Something about the civilizations on the old equator is part of this. The Mayans and the Egyptians are particularly important in whatever's going on.

Cristina: It has to do with the end of the world. It feels like, I don't know, three.

Jack: Technologies that are incredibly astounding and then one for population. Are they building an army and are they gonna attack the Shadow Realm and take over it?

Cristina: I don't feel like that's it.

Jack: Clothes is just so crazy. Throw s*** at the wall and see if something stinks.

Cristina: Yeah. Nah, that doesn't feel right. Because there's so much hiding going on with them. They're hiding. They're hiding everything.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Everything's being hidden.

Jack: After sharing everything.

Cristina: After sharing everything.

Jack: They were sharing everything for a really long time and then something backfired. And it's not backfired. Who knows if it backfires? Something changed. We know that much. Something changed and then hiding. Everything is hiding now. I think they did discover or create or invent some form of nuts. Technology that they have to keep away from other s***. And following the finding of this technology, it was totally fine for them to completely erase an access point which was Mount Kaf.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They were maybe using that access point, but now nobody else can find it. And we're so good at hiding s***. You guys can't find us. And you guys can. H*** no. In no way find that mountain?

Cristina: No.

Jack: But why? And what is the importance of Jesus to Jehovah of Dark?

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know. There's still things we gotta figure out.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: It's so weird. We got a lot of things, though. So much is solved thanks to all of this connecting to each other. But still it makes no sense.

Jack: The problem is I don't know where to go from here. I don't know where to go from here. We've dissected the old equator. We've dissected Norse mythology and found some answers. We've. I can keep dissecting other religions. I guess there has to be some.

Cristina: Connection because what if one of these things does have a solution to a problem? Because I feel like Norse did solve some things.

Jack: A lot of things.

Cristina: Yeah. So we actually might be a good idea.

Jack: Yeah. I mean, we use two different religion. Luciferianism and Norse mythology. Yeah, we just got a. We got a couple of. One new detail of hearing gods in your head and of the. Specifically the places of focus which Mount Kaaf was clearly one of them. A place where you have a stronger connection.

Cristina: Oh, were you gonna say something about the creatures, though? Were they important?

Jack: Which creatures?

Cristina: The giants and the dwarfs.

Jack: Well, know that there's definitely some. Some buffer between locations.

Cristina: But why is that important?

Jack: Because the mountains. That means that there's probably creatures in front of Mount Kaath that are helping protect it.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Presumably there are sea people around Mount Kaaf and that when the Greek mention the sea people and they mentioned the giants, they're talking about the same Two. The two things are the same thing. The giants that can take them down are the sea people. Unless the giants were made by the sea people.

Cristina: Oh, that's possible too. It could be either. Or.

Jack: The ability to make life.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Can you make any life?

Cristina: Probably, yes.

Jack: Can you make an infinitely strong army? Make the playing field so uneven with Adam and Eve?

Cristina: I think so. I think so.

Jack: Make an army. Send s*** to the Shadow Realm, Team a bunch of s*** over there that is too overpowered. Bring it over here. You got problems.

Cristina: You can make an army. Like Lilith used Adam to make an army of demons.

Jack: Holy s***. You're totally right. And if Adam is literally just creation technology, then she literally.

Cristina: She literally used the machine to create life.

Jack: What the f***? I forgot all about that. She literally used the technology to create an army of demons and as a result was cast from using the technology.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Whaaat?

Jack: Holy s***. So it is.

Cristina: It's tech.

Jack: It's really overpowered tech that can make anything. That's probably how they made the Pegasus.

Cristina: Yes, but they made human life using Adam and Eve. That's important. Just as for human life. But you don't need Eve to make life.

Jack: You only need Adam.

Cristina: You just need Adam and then pair it with something else, I guess. And you make something else.

Jack: So then Eve is something different.

Cristina: Yes. Eve is human life somehow.

Jack: Yes. You can make anything with Adam, but you can make. Not human. Maybe that's not. Maybe you can make humans with just Adam because you made Eve with just Adam. Allegedly. Although we can assume that that's probably wrong. But you can make anything with Adam. There's some special sauce that Eve adds that the pairing makes important. Yeah, that the pairing makes dangerous. Chances are they probably won't keep Adam and Eve together.

Cristina: No. Unless they need to make more humans. But I doubt they.

Jack: I don't think it's to make humans. I think you only need Adam to make humans. And I also don't think you made humans with it. I think humans were already there and then we started developing way later. I don't think that the sea people made us. I don't think they're our God. Unless we're. I mean, then again, Jehovah, the actual Jehovah, not Jehovah of dark, but Jehovah of light is a sea person.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: And if we're. I guess maybe we were made by this f****** technology. Adam.

Cristina: I definitely think so. I think our ancient ancestors come from this machine.

Jack: Fair enough. So we're androids that resemble. Which it would explain a lot Considering our mind works so identically to when we make a computer, make a hyper advanced technology, and our brains are almost indistinguishable. We even call it neural synapses, which is what we're working with. Neurons.

Cristina: I feel like there's still so much.

Jack: So then what the f*** is the point of Eve? What did Eve give us that the gods want? Because then it's not even about Adam. It's about Adam and Eve.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the fruits. Yes, it's about the three fruits in Adam and Eve. There's a lot of technology with the sea people that even the. What we consider gods, which are just other advanced creatures, we are like, what the f***? We need that s***. Yeah, fair enough. The gods, Norse gods, didn't make life. Greek gods didn't make life. They're gods. And then there's life.

Cristina: Mm. Well, I think in the Norse, they did make life out of clay. I don't know. It's some weird story, but the people were like puppets until he did something. I don't remember the complete story.

Jack: Yes, I do. I know what you're talking about. Yes.

Cristina: Which would mean, like, maybe Adam just makes the puppet a puppet.

Jack: Eve creates the mind.

Cristina: Yeah, because that's why when eat.

Jack: When Lilith did it, Adam, she could just make demons.

Cristina: Yeah, because they were.

Jack: They were soulless chimeras. Not even chimeras. Homunculus demons. Demons.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Artificial life. To make a perfect life form, you need the Eve component.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So they all have the atom technology. They all have the atom technology. They don't all have the EVE technology.

Cristina: Yes, I think so.

Jack: And because the sea people have the EVE technology, they can also use that to improve on the atom technology. So the sea people have the best version of the atom technology because the.

Cristina: EVE technology is kind of the atom technology, like 2.0 or whatever.

Jack: Yes, interesting. Yes. 2.0. You required one to build the other.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Closer to something.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: Closer to something. There's something making sense here.

Cristina: Yes, I think so.

Jack: Interesting. So the sea people might have made it. I mean, makes sense. If Jehovah is the one running this project. Madam. And Evar technology. There's not people who work there. Whatever we call the serpent is one of the guys who works there. And Lilith was one of the ones who worked there. You know, three people worked there for effect. Jehovah, the serpent, and Lilith. And Lilith went rogue and used it to create. She shouldn't have. And was removed from the project.

Cristina: Yeah. Just curious about this new toy that they had or whatever this is.

Jack: Or don't know how the this connects to Jesus because Jesus has a huge role to play here too. We've definitely solved adrenochrome. That's an easy shortcut over there. We've finally connected alicorn. That's whatever's fueling the creation of these technologies that are allowing a way over there without losing your f****** mind through adrenochrome. Yes, we know distilled adrenochrome ichor allows you to do some details of what alicorn, which is way more overpowered, does. We know Adam and Eve is technology to create life, specifically Adam, but Eve might be the next stage of that that allows for a particularly complicated life, which all the others can't seem to figure out, I think. So I don't know what Jesus fits here. I think everything else has been answered. I just don't know how Jesus.

Cristina: Besides that, we know that they are most likely afraid of him or they're hiding from him or whatever. They kicked him out.

Jack: Something is special about Jesus. Something is different about Jesus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we know Jesus is probably in cahoots with Jehovah of dark because he's like, you guys betray me for whatever reason. Yes, we've answered a lot. We're left with, what does he want? What? What's the point of Jesus? What's the point of Jesus? We know that the churches are accessing these shadow realm creatures for no reason. They probably think it's really God or whatever the. Who knows? Yeah, it's not really important as far as we know. Or they're being manipulated by Jesus, who they're probably hearing in their head, actually. Probably hear Jesus in their head.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Whatever the case might be, they're puppets. Him something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The question is, is Jesus? It doesn't seem like he is, but also he does go ahead and make Jesus gates so that creatures could cross over. He might be a puppet himself, or he might be part of the bigger picture.

Cristina: He might be.

Jack: He might be. We don't know, but that's what I got.

Cristina: That's amazing.

Jack: Thank you. Norse mythology. You connect a lot of thoughts. Thank you. Luciferianism, your dark, dark, crazy, psychotic s***. Dark, Dark definitely gave us enough information that we required. So, look, I need you guys and anybody help, please. If you got something, anything, contact us, reach us, let us know. You can hit us up on the socials at JustConvo, Pod, Anywhere, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok.

Cristina: And remember to subscribe and review the.

Jack: Show and tell people we're getting to the bottom of something. Word of mouth is incredibly overpowered. And if you've ever had these weird a** questions and wanted to know the truest truths. Nobody's. Nobody's doing this. We're one and only here. This is like the deepest underground set of information you could ever find, right? You know how hard I f****** learned to find this s***? I can only explain to you how many dark web websites I have to travel to access documents that people have stolen from churches just to upload online because the church will obviously not let the surface web ever get this. And you can't really raise it off the. Off the dark web. You understand how hard it is to do this and like how many government watch lists I'm probably on for like traveling through these places? You just for this ridiculous. You guys should be thanking me.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

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March 18, 2023

Rambling 218: Protecting The Garden of Eden

March 18, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

What exactly was the Garden of Eden? What was the purpose of protecting it? And who was in charge of protecting it? The duo continue to unravel the massive cover-up done by the Catholic Church in their attempt to protect the Sea People and the Garden of Eden.

+Episode Details

Bible Edits and Modifications
The Garden of Eden
The Snake
Satan in Hebrew Scriptures
Jesus & the Gospel of John
The Knights Templar

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. The most baffling, baffling ideas that have ever baffled any idea that could be baffled. It's so baffling. You're baffled.

Cristina: They're baffling ideas. The ideas are baffling.

Jack: The ideas are baffled. They're like, what are we? No. We have been in the Unescaping series that began at a unicorn, led through Atlantis and landed us at. Jesus Christ.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Whoa. And it's not like we are just talking about random, unrelated crap. All of this is the same story.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: All of it works together.

Cristina: It's a very messy story.

Jack: Yeah, it's. It's one thing. There's nothing else happening. It's all one thing. It's different sides of the same one thing.

Cristina: But it's an incomplete story.

Jack: Highly. There's so many pieces missing. There's so many pieces missing. So let's recap where we've landed. We've discussed unicorns. We've discussed Atlantis. We've discussed Mount Athos. We've discussed Mary's journey. Mary's journey. The Persian Gulf oasis, the sea people. We've discussed Jesus Christ. We've discussed the Catholic Church. So how does it all fit together? It starts with way back about a million years ago.

Cristina: That's way back.

Jack: Way back. That's when actually we can go farther back. Depending on what episode we pick, we can go 2.5 million years ago. Tools come to exist by some completely unrelated race of creatures that are similar bipedal somethings, but not the same as the ones that would later become H*** sapiens. Okay, sweet. Somehow we kill them because we speak they tool.

Cristina: We killed them.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. We probably think, do you know what's crazy? That's probably the lineage that led to the sea people.

Cristina: Exactly. Like, they don't have to be human at all.

Jack: Yeah. So in theory, those tools, I mean, that happened mad long ago versus our language that happened a hundred thousand years ago. Tells you the huge gap of difference if we actually use the logic you're applying here. They probably had language 2.5 million years ago when they made those tools. And then we, the H*** sapiens, because we know for a fact those weren't H*** sapiens of any sort. They did not lead to H*** sapiens. They are not from the homogeneous. So h*** sapiens got language and tools afterwards, about a hundred thousand years ago. There's a huge colossal difference of when this other group of people got to make their civilization. So these people presumably become, a million years ago, the sea people. And the sea, they're not fish or anything, they just kind of look like humans. In theory, we don't really know. But the idea is they're kind of humanoid and normal looking.

Cristina: Yeah, we're assuming they're very human looking, not fish at all.

Jack: Special somehow. So the sea people a million years ago reached their technological peak, the one necessary for all future endeavors. They then devised this crazy plan that they go in for whatever reason that we don't know this is one of the answers we don't have, that they decided to align civilizations and give them technology and knowledge to advance rapidly.

Cristina: But all the ones that were around them in like on Earth.

Jack: Yes, in one line circle. In one perfectly straight line circling Earth that we call the old equator.

Cristina: Okay, very strange.

Jack: The sea people did this? Yeah, the sea people gave them the technology. And we can prove this because the on the walls of the Mayans, they're not on the equator. And of the Egyptians who are on the equator, they have the, they have data, they have hieroglyphs that suggest that beneath these locations there are not only the instructions given to them by the sea people on how to build these civilizations and what technologies to use, but also the sea people's personal records. Fantastic. So why do the sea people give them personal records? We don't know yet. But if we go farther back, so we go after the sea people but before they gave the technology, we get about 2,000 years ago, actually we got to go about 7,000 years ago. 7,000 years ago, a technology for populating Earth comes to be in the case of a catastrophe or maybe to go populate different planets, creating a seeding event similar to how happened in alien Prometheus where they go and they drop their seeds.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh wow. That actually makes a lot of sense. Holy crap.

Cristina: Wait, they were doing this on Earth?

Jack: Well, maybe Earth was just one of them. Maybe Earth was just one of them. And maybe the goal was to do this over and over in a bunch of different places. So this technology to populate, I mean Earth could have been the first one. Think about the logic here. They use this technology that they call this population technology that creates sentient bipedal life in their image, but they're just. It's just science, but they do it in their image. The technology is called The Garden of.

Cristina: Eden, Is that what we're calling it?

Jack: That's the technology. And in it there are two separate components. There is a tree of life that provides a physical form in the bipedal image of the sea people. And there is the fruit of knowledge that then gives them brain and consciousness in a similar fashion and then allows these creatures to develop further. So it is in fact possible that both evolution and did exist and we did not come from those creatures.

Cristina: Maybe we are made from those.

Jack: We were made instantly in our forms. That's also possibility here. But because we do have evolution and we can track it, I guess that's the least likely possibility. So chances are this population technology creates creatures that will, with enough time, become.

Cristina: What we are today.

Jack: What we are today. So chances are that happened millions and millions and millions and millions of years ago. Because we only know that the sea people reached their peak necessary for this technology a million years ago. Or not necessary for the technology. The peak necessary for creating the societies. But they could have had this Garden of Eden population technology existing. And if they're that technologically advanced a million years ago, that means maybe significantly longer ago, maybe long enough ago that they put the single celled organisms that would later become us in the ocean. Maybe those are the sea people.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Maybe the sea people put the cells that would later become humans in the ocean.

Cristina: Okay, so you're saying they started life here? Besides that they were already the first life here. They started.

Jack: They started the life we're aware of. Yes, because dino, we're not related to every dinosaur. No, we're not related to. You know, this is a far break off point. Unless if they did evolve here, and they are there must be, I guess it would make sense, right? It would need to be some logical, far enough ancestor that would connect us to the sea people. It's the only f****** way.

Cristina: If they didn't make us.

Jack: If they didn't make us. Unless the sea people are just so it. They would be so astounding. I guess that would. That's why we couldn't find them. Now they're so unbelievably advanced that when they decided we're gonna hide, they really meant we're never finding them.

Cristina: Yes. Why is hiding important?

Jack: I don't know. Hopefully we get there.

Cristina: Okay, but.

Jack: So the sea people create this technology, the Garden of Eden. They have five main people working on this project. They are in charge of maintaining project, they are in charge of protecting this project.

Cristina: You know these people, the people are.

Jack: A scientist named Adam, a scientist Named Eve. A scientist that we only know by a code name. Serpent, Jehovah and Lilith. These are our four scientists. Project leader is Jehovah.

Cristina: Claude, there were five.

Jack: Well, there's five. It's Lilith, Jehovah, Serpent, Adam and Eve.

Cristina: Oh, you said four.

Jack: Jehovah is in charge and the other four.

Cristina: Oh, okay, okay.

Jack: Are beneath him.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: I don't know. They're. Because structure. Out of all the questions we have no answers for, that's the one you're concerned with? There is power structure. I don't know why.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Somebody needs to be project leader.

Cristina: Keep him out of the garden.

Jack: Who?

Cristina: Or he's not the same guy.

Jack: He poo out of the garden.

Cristina: One of the gods.

Jack: We're assuming there is a good and a bad and.

Cristina: Okay. And he's not that one.

Jack: Well, I don't know because I know what you're talking about. We have the narrative of the two gods, and one of them completely lied and suppressed a bunch of information and then he was the one over the sea people.

Cristina: So they're trying to get in there and that's why they have that whole storm of cloud people above them helping them out.

Jack: Interesting. So they're actually hiding it from that God. Oh, my God. And that would explain the apocalyptic event we're looking for. Okay, let me get there. Okay, you've told me a lot. Now we've got it. Okay, so the sea people have the garden in the garden. There is project leader Jehovah, there is code name Jehovah, there is codename Serpent, there is Lilith, there is Adam, and there is is Eve. Project leaders, okay. Some conflict happens and we have Lilith leave. Some conflict happens and Adam and Eve are removed from the project immediately. And in that same moment, Serpent becomes only an advisor and no longer has hands on everybody. But Jehovah was removed from the project. Obviously this was Jehovah's call because he's the only one who stayed. Okay. Presumably all these people are citizens of the sea people. They are the sea people, but the sea people are somehow so advanced, they're godly at this point. They're beyond us in a way we cannot comprehend. They peaked a million years ago in a way we could not understand. So right now, it would be so unfathomably, A million years later, it would be so unfathomably exaggerated.

Cristina: So it's not about protecting Adam and Eve, it's about protecting these trees.

Jack: Well, the garden. Yeah. I don't think Adam and Eve have. Because they were. They're not even there. They're probably in the city, they're probably in Atlantis. But they're not in the garden. They're not allowed in this project anymore. So Jehovah gets rid of them. And the project is my. Okay, my theory is the project is being protected by the entirety of the sea people. They take care of the garden. That's the point. They know about it. This is a scientific miracle. It needs to be taken care of. Everybody's on board with this. No matter what is the most important thing the garden? The repopulation technology. Okay, okay, weird. There's repopulation technology because who knows, there's a catastrophe already coming. But also repopulation technology or simply population technology makes sense if you're a civilization that's hyper advanced. And what are you gonna. You can go around and drop things here and there. Maybe they came from this planet, but maybe they're going elsewhere.

Cristina: That's why this makes it so important.

Jack: To create life, I guess, to leave their seeds and create life in the universe. Be the ultimate gods. Create a universe with life with this technology of population called the Garden of Eden that contains two very important features known as a Tree of Life and the Tree of Knowledge. Beautiful, okay, but 5,000 years ago is when Adam and Eve get kicked out and when Lilith leaves and when serpent is turned into a counselor and when Jehovah is the only one left working on this project. That's about 7,000 years ago, five to 7,000 years ago. And following that, we have a record that starts being built by people in. This is the first important records being kept by people in the regions around the sea people. So, you know, they start to take note of any time they get mentioned somewhere by these other developing creatures that are from Earth too. And they seem quite curious and interested in anything that has to do with the Garden of Eden. These people become obsessed with this technology.

Cristina: The people who are watching them or.

Jack: The people who are watching the sea people, okay, now the sea people live. The sea people live in Iran in a specific area known as the Persian Gulf, specifically the Persian Gulf oasis. And the Persian Gulf Oasis is where their city is located. Now, very close to the Persian Gulf oasis are a bunch of Middle Eastern countries, many of which are the biblical Middle Eastern countries. Kind of all of them are around Iran, okay, Persia. And these people around the Persian Gulf oasis kind of are obsessed with the people of the Persian Gulf oasis. These creatures beyond us, but very similar to us. Some of some people call them angels, some people call them gods. Everybody has a story for these really awesome adventures. Advanced Race of technologically advanced creatures. Sweet. They're super humanoid, they look like us, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Fantastic. So then we have the sea people getting kind of. We're gonna change your name now. They are the people of the Persian Gulf oasis. So the people of the Persian Gulf oasis are quite annoyed with this, but they're like, whatever. Except once in a while, the people surrounding the Persian Gulf oasis want to invade and want to do s***. Now, they're easy to dispose of. It's easy to stop these conflicts, but it's consistent. Now, there is a moment when an individual from the Persian Gulf oasis gets impregnated. This is Mary.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So Mary gets pregnant, and she actually. Let's take it back. For the last 5,000 years, something happened with this project, by the way. There's something weird about this project.

Cristina: It not only does. Okay.

Jack: Not only populates the Earth, but kind of following the creation of this. Immediately following the creation of this project, something happened. Yes, the project works. Yes, it's going to repop. Yes, it's going to populate wherever we want. This population technology is crazy. But also, ever since we made the population technology, people keep having visions of this population technology either leading to the birth of somebody special or a glitch. Oh. Because it's technology, something could go wrong. These are. Even if they are biological, they're science biological, they're engineered. So if they sped up the process of evolution, because again, they gave a bunch of civilizations technology in order to make them move quicker. So they were interfering here and there with primitive cultures and making them move faster.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So if they chose one went there and decided to mess with their genes to make them better, faster, stronger, smarter.

Cristina: Maybe something went wrong there to one of the populations.

Jack: Yeah. And the population led to this child that somehow people started to have visions immediately following the creation of the program. So one of the test subjects lineage something just through time, straight up. Man, time travel sucks. They did something that affected one of the subjects. And in the future, this subject is some telepath or something. I don't know. And people start having visions and dreams and hallucinations about an individual born from the Persian Gulf oasis.

Cristina: Yes, that's Jesus.

Jack: That's Jesus. So the people of the Persian Gulf oasis take note. And they're like, this is a problem. We got to take all the visions we find and start to collect them and find out, pinpoint exactly who, what, where, when, why, and how so that we can solve this problem and solving.

Cristina: It by just, like, moving the problem.

Jack: Somewhere else so that people don't try to get to the kid and the people don't try to get to the kid. That they don't find the technology that they're trying to protect, that people are.

Cristina: Already obsessed with kid is more important than the kid.

Jack: Nobody cares about the kid. You just don't need to follow the kid because the kid will lead you to the technology. Okay, Nobody cares about the kid. The kid is not important. Now, if you are a God in Olympus, how special are you?

Cristina: I don't know. Not very special.

Jack: It's very special. You're God in Olympus. Everybody's a God in Olympus.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But if you're a God from Olympus on Earth, how special are you?

Cristina: So you're saying that's what Jesus is or something?

Jack: He's somebody from the Persian Gulf oasis who gets kicked out of the Persian Gulf oasis. He is quite special. Interesting, right?

Cristina: That would mean his parents are too.

Jack: I believe so. I believe that when they calculate when this is gonna happen, they find exactly who it is. And it becomes obvious when there is a genetic glitch that allows this individual to get pregnant without a fertilized egg. There was a glitch, and that is Mary. So there is a secret group, a secret society of highly sophisticated intelligent individuals called the Magi that exists within the Persian Gulf oasis. These are elite individuals. They are to take care of Mary because she is kicked out of the Persian Gulf oasis. There are three that are sent out with her to watch over her at a distance, never interfere with her. She doesn't know where they are, she doesn't know who they are, she doesn't know about them. Also, people from the Persian Gulf occasionally come and message Mary to the point that they even tell her when she's about to give birth. They come in a vision that somebody sees. Not in a vision really, but the person who sees one of these people from the Persian Gulf oasis presented themselves to Mary in some almost angelic way because it was technology they couldn't fathom. He flew down from the sky. Hovering or something.

Cristina: Yeah. And really writing. What is it? Pegasus.

Jack: Pegasus and stuff? Yeah. So he just saw some white man whistling thing come down and a man is there and he says there's by the way, they're spying on Joseph and Mary, right? They're like, oh, see if they f*** while she's pregnant or something. I don't know why they're spying, but they see the thing and they're like, we saw. And then they wrote it down like this is what Happened. So they see what they describe as. He came to her in a vision and told her that she's gonna have a kid on this day. And blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But, okay, whatever. It's really the people of Persian Gulf Oasis. And so the Maji, one of them has been with her the whole time. When Mary got removed from the Persian Gulf oasis, so that people wouldn't try to find the kid that they're having visions of, they sent her out with an individual known as Joseph. Joseph was to protect her directly. He's gonna escort her on her journey. She's been sent to go.

Cristina: Why is he a magic. Why?

Jack: Because he's a protector. The same way the other three guys are.

Cristina: Okay. Because now there's. He's one of the three, or he's. No, the whole different one.

Jack: Yes, he's a whole different one. Maji is a group of people.

Cristina: Okay? Okay.

Jack: It's not just three guys. The. The Manji are just protectors. They're watchers. That's their goal.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Joseph, just like. My assumption is Joseph, just like. The Manji hasn't ever interfered or interacted with anything. He always was present, but he never interacted. He was a supervisor, in a way. So Mary gets kicked out. She gets sent to one of the Manji. She doesn't. Again, these people don't know who these people are. She just gets told, oh, yeah, we got a regular civilian here is gonna help you or whatever on your quest because you can't be here. This is why. She understands. She gets them. She gets the mission. She understands the job.

Cristina: She knows her child's was chosen.

Jack: Yeah. Not really the chosen one, but the glitched child. She knows she got pregnant without.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, she's like, crap. And then he. The. The people explain this because of our genetic f****** around. So, like, something weird happened. You just got pregnant. So they remove her from the Persian Gulf oasis. She goes on her journey. She gets to Nazareth, escorted by Joseph. Then there's a conflict there. Joseph is like, we cannot go in that direction. It is too lethal. We. They go to Bethlehem. The goal was originally to get to Cyprus, where there's presumably either a way to get directly to Mount Athos, some portal, some. Something that they do, some technological wonder. And she is to have the baby at Cyprus and keep the baby there until these people either stop giving a crap or until they can solve the problem and move their civilization entirely to the next location and then they can accept them again.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Simple.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the idea was, go to Cyprus, be there until we finish moving the civilization and take the portal that's going to take you straight to Mount Athos. Then you can go up to the top and we're going to escort you from there to our new location. So they kick her out and they immediately begin a mass evacuation of the.

Cristina: Persian Gulf oasis where they just somehow.

Jack: Somehow they abandoned. Well, they didn't take everything literally.

Cristina: No.

Jack: But they took the technology known as the Garden of Eden. They moved their entire civilization and they just left their. Obviously their buildings and their statues and stuff like that, but all the technology left with them. There were some writings that were left behind because they were written on things. You know, people like to write things. So sometimes they just. We can't take the wall with us. So. Yeah, f****** Steve who always draws on the wall is an a******.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so crap like that has to stay. So they leave and they go to what we know now as the Atlantic Ocean in the middle of the Bermuda Triangle, to a space that they now call Atlantis.

Cristina: Yes, the Atlanteans are the Atlanteans.

Jack: Now let's change our perspective. We are with Mary. Mary goes from the Persian Gulf oasis to Nazareth, from Nazareth to Bethlehem because of the conflict, while escorted by Joseph, one of the Magi, she has the baby in Bethlehem because the detour took absolutely too long. The other Magi then show themselves to her, three of them, and they say, this is not according to plan. Everything has gone out of control. So you cannot leave because people will know of this child. And if the time it would take us to get the h*** out of here is too problematic. People are already on their way because their visions have guided them in this direction. The glitch that this is causing, this telepathic child from the future is sending them visions of a bunch of crap. This is way problematic. So we cannot go. They'll be able to. If we leave now, the future changes. That means where he is is gonna send the messages he needs to be. That's the logic. That's why she couldn't go back. He needs to be somewhere that.

Cristina: Where he grows up.

Jack: Where he grows up when he's sending the telepathic messages that's giving them visions so that they find him there and not where the sea people are.

Cristina: He can never be there.

Jack: He can never be there. Jesus can never go to where the sea people are because they will find them. Because he is inevitably sending some sort of frequency telepathic messages coming to the past. Actually in the future too. Straight through time. Oh, that's the problem.

Cristina: Yes. It is straight to that.

Jack: People of the future will also be able to find us.

Cristina: Yeah. Wow.

Jack: You can never come here. Your child is never gonna come here.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So she's aware of this? She was told that, but she didn't know the Maji were watching her. That's how serious this was. She sees the Maji, she's like, oh. Oh, d***. Oh, d***. It was the Manji type of serious. And you're like, yes, it was the Maji type of serious. And then Joseph takes off his mask and it's just his face again.

Cristina: And he says, I'm one too.

Jack: I'm one too. Yeah. He takes off his fake face and it's just his face again. I'm one too. And she's like, whoa, dude.

Cristina: What does that mean to her, though?

Jack: I don't know. Something happens to Joseph, though. He's just like, vanishes.

Cristina: He just vanishes?

Jack: Yeah, it's really weird. But anyways, so do the Manji, to be fair. It's like, they tell her, like, the thing, and then he's deuces.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah, it's really weird. So anyways, the Maji and Joseph presumably make the following plan. This is where we're staying. This region is our region. Our people have to evacuate, and then we can never even go there. And also, we cannot go where they go. We're just. We gotta wait. We gotta outlast this child. Actually, we're probably gonna die out here and never see our people again. The end. We're probably all gonna die out here and never see our people again. Simple.

Cristina: Yes. Which happens. Maybe. Except for Murray.

Jack: Yeah, well, no, not really. He only dies at 33. Like, they're all pretty.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah, that's true.

Jack: So they have the kid. The kid is raised in ignorance.

Cristina: Yeah, well, he.

Jack: He has ideas.

Cristina: He has. He knows he's special because everybody around.

Jack: Him can't help but tell him. Yeah, everybody knows that's a f****** Atlantean.

Cristina: That's what they know.

Jack: Yeah, that's basically not literally those words, but, you know, he's that level of special. He's from the other place, but they.

Cristina: Can also sense him from their dreams.

Jack: Yes. The people who don't know him from their dreams directly, who never had the telepathic messages that he can't help but send.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just know where he's from, and that's cool enough. Oh, whoa. It's a guy from the place. And inevitably he like, how do you stop this kid from being full of himself?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: He knows. He's basically Zeus raised on Earth. He's like, I'm cooler, better, faster, smarter than everything I'll ever encounter.

Cristina: Yes. And he decides to become a teacher.

Jack: a teacher. He becomes a carpenter. Until he's 30. Until he's 30. When the Magi reveal themselves to him.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: When the Manji reveal their selves to him. They explain your existence. Kind of messed up, bro. There are people ready to wage war over you. This is like our, our fault.

Cristina: Why do you think they talk to him?

Jack: I have no idea. Well, I guess maybe to stop the damage they f****** made.

Cristina: But does he change at his dirty or something that would make you think that?

Jack: Yeah. Okay, so they show up and they start talking to him and they tell him, you know, this is a problem that we have here because you know, there's people, everybody's obsessed with you. Whether they hate you, cuz all the gods, you bastards. Or the gods all worship the gods. But like both sides don't like each other. As you know, these humans have this problem that anything that could be. They have to fight about everything. Anything, they'll fight about all of it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And you're here. So just because you're here, there are two sides to you being here. Some like you, some don't like you. And they can't just like you. And not like, you know, they have to kill themselves.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we gotta fix this and try to like adjust to damage control. Cuz if we. Our goal was to make these people come up and we're kind of destroying that now. You know, the Egyptians doing great, the Mayans a. Okay. The entire area we come from is turning to s*** though. Not cool. This is totally our fault. This is a failed project because you're here. So they do anything you say. Both sides in different ways. So we need you to start controlling the narrative, bro. We need you to start telling them what you want them to believe. The ones who are going to just listen to you tell them what you want them to believe. And your job is really, really to convince the ones who hate you to be like the ones who love you so that then you could advance this civilization as a whole. That's the goal.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: You now have purpose because you're already here. And there's no way you're going to.

Cristina: Know where we live to make some peace. Yeah, they're going to tell him you got to go kill yourself.

Jack: No, no, no.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Probably would have been a really good solution to the problem.

Cristina: I mean like he dies immediately after. Either way, whether that was part of the plan or not, the.

Jack: The problem is they should have offed him as soon as he was born. That should have been Joseph's only objective. Be convincingly a reliable, loving, caring maji caretaker. And then the second that baby shows up, he pulls out a f****** gun and blows that kid's brains out. So that the Persian. Not even the Persian. So the sea people are safe.

Cristina: I don't know. Because if these visions are important, you can't do that.

Jack: They're not. It's just telepathic messages.

Cristina: Yeah, but the telepathic message might show Joseph killing baby Jesus as part.

Jack: They don't give a s*** who Joseph is. I don't even. They'll never know who he is. It's just a vision of that happening and nothing beyond that point.

Cristina: There has to be a reason.

Jack: He could just go live in the Persian Gulf oasis. I mean, in this. Wherever the. In Atlantis now. But wherever the sea people go. He could just go there and never be bothered. What, like why? It doesn't matter.

Cristina: Why did it matter? Exactly. But why didn't they just kill him off as a baby?

Jack: I don't know. I'm just saying that, like, that would have been 100% the best option. Then you just stop the visions.

Cristina: A better option?

Jack: Yeah, don't kill one of ours. Probably just like send them out there and it's fine.

Cristina: I don't know. Because it feels like they wanted the whole church thing too.

Jack: No, that was damage control.

Cristina: That's damage control?

Jack: Yeah. So we have Jesus. That's way ahead. We have Jesus and he gets approached by the maji. And then they tell him to control the narrative. And he does. He agrees. I'm gonna control the narrative. So then he decides, you know, I'm gonna build a team of people. My 12 homies. And we're gonna figure this out, guys. And so they don't. They absolutely don't. It's an absolute failure. And the war gets worse. And the people who hate him, hate him more. And the people who love him, love him more. Total confusion, total chaos. Blood in the streets. Whoa. And on top of it, he gets murdered in the exchange too. Well, sweet. Now, science. Somebody gives this guy juuust as he's about to die some adrenochrome. Know how somebody. We're already talking scientifically advanced civilizations. It could have been Joseph, because Joseph disappears out of the blue. And Joseph was real close to Mary, and Joseph was real close to young Jesus.

Cristina: Own plans with Jesus, that's.

Jack: We don't know. He disappeared. I'm Just totally theorizing and making this funner. I don't know where he came from, but somebody gave Jesus adrenochrome, bro. How did that happen? Yeah, that's a fact.

Cristina: He just mean. But that would make sense of why they didn't kill him as a baby. If they're gonna do that, you don't want a baby on it.

Jack: They weren't gonna do that. That was not the plan. The plan of the sea people is not adrenochrome. If anybody doesn't mess with adrenochrome, it's a sea people. They wouldn't need to. It makes no sense.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: They did not do that 100%. It wasn't them. No, they did not do that.

Cristina: But the churches definitely do.

Jack: The church did not exist yet.

Cristina: No, but they come from Jesus.

Jack: Yes. All of that is the future. We're talking the time of Jesus right now. Yeah, Somebody gave Jesus adrenochrome. See, it was probably somebody close to him that didn't want him to die. It could have been Mary his mom, actually. Was probably Mary his mom.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah, fair enough. It was probably Mary his mom. Because the sea people were like, just. Just let him die, bro. This is. We. We tried. We tried and he tried. You know, we will give him a nice clap. He tried. He tried. But he also kind of let it get to his head a little too. So he was kind of like. He was just like the humans kind of in between, where he's like, oh, yeah, I'm the son of God. And also, like, you know, peace. People like, bro, don't try to have both your cake and eat it too. But he did. And so they're like, look, noble, try. We could easily save him, but that would require our interaction. F*** him. Let him die. It is what it is.

Cristina: I don't know. Because, like, if she did do it, she gave him the adrenochrome, then he did help her get to that mountain.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: And they were cool with that. They were.

Jack: Why would they know that?

Cristina: Why would they know that?

Jack: Yes. Why would they know that? He helped them. He helped her.

Cristina: Wouldn't they know? I feel like they have the technology to know to just spy on him. If they're spying on her. If the whole time they're spying on her.

Jack: They're not spying on her the whole time. They had the magi out there who.

Cristina: Are spying on her.

Jack: Yeah. Their whole goal was to wash on her, but they weren't directly around her all the time. They weren't Interacting with a bunch of things in a bunch of places.

Cristina: But Joseph was.

Jack: Joseph was with her.

Cristina: I think he just stopped spying on her once Jesus died.

Jack: Well, Jesus is still one of the sea people. He literally has all the abilities the sea people have. They are not special to him. There's nothing they can do that he can't. Naturally. They're just humans to him. Jesus versus the Magi and Joseph. They're all equal.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So there's not. They're not like, whoa, we're super awesome gods. And that's just Jesus. No, he's. He still, like, a sea person. So they don't have. In fact, he's better. He's somehow telepathic. There's. He can move around them without being caught because he knows everything they're about to do, which is an important piece of his existence. He knows everything. Sidekick is kind of his thing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh. Psychic is really his thing. It was always there. He knows everything. He's the weird one who's kind of psychic and knows all the stuff. And that was the problem. He couldn't control it too well. So the messages went every direction through time.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which also made him incredibly difficult to catch by the sea people. Because he can stop the sea people. Who are also telepathic, I'm assuming. And he's different. Telepathic. He's time telepathic. So he can block. He's like Bella is to Edward. Like, I can stop you guys from, like, reading me.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because the humans never had telepathy. They learned to navigate without that. There was nothing for him to block.

Jack: He couldn't handicap their senses.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The most he could do is jump in their heads. And he couldn't even control them or anything. He'd just send images.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they f****** killed him.

Cristina: And someone gave him our Adrenoco.

Jack: Yes. Right before. That's one of the questions we have no answer to. We don't know what the reason for the population technology is, but we also don't know the reason for giving Jesus the Adrenochrome. Although we can suspect it was. You know, Let him live, man.

Cristina: Is that good enough?

Jack: I don't know. If it's his mom, maybe. It's totally possible.

Cristina: Yeah. I guess if it's someone that wants his ability for their own working, I guess also.

Jack: Yeah. But I doubt that. I definitely believe it was somebody who just loves him desperately doing it. I don't think there was nefarious. I don't think evil is inherent. I don't think.

Cristina: How does she get it?

Jack: How did questions we don't have the answer to. But we know that he did get it, and we know he comes back to life and we know he becomes a sort of vampire. He reacts the same way a human would. With adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So that's interesting. We're. We're closely related enough for that.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now s***'s out of control. And this plague of the stories about this child, the visions and everything have become global. He was too strong when they offed him. People everywhere know about him. We can't put this fire out. We can't plug the holes on this boat because another hole just opens the second we do. We need to change the boat.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Well, let's us change the narrative. So what do they do? They gather all the records that anybody has ever written about the visions of this guy, Jesus, and they start changing, rewriting and editing and composing to create the Bible. The Bible? A book. A book of the truth about this individual, which in reality is just a book dedicated to hiding the existence of the sea people and changing the narrative around Jesus Christ. The telepathic anomaly that was born as a mutation due to sort of genetic science. F****** now. Yes, great. Right, so far, coherent.

Cristina: Yes, great.

Jack: We are fixing the story. We are editing. And in this time, the. The sea people, the maji. Who are the ones doing this, they. They devised the plan. We need to create the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is a collection of all of the already existing Christian writings. That's all the writings of Jesus Christ. Wasn't called Christian yet, but all the writings related to Jesus Christ, his life and anyone surrounding him. We're going to confiscate that from everywhere. These humans, they're no match for our tracking technology. We're getting all of it and we're going to edit it and rewrite it and change it and we're going to present it. It's going to seem very similar to them, but we're going to be like, oh, no, no, this is the truth.

Cristina: This is the Catholic Church.

Jack: You said the Catholic Church is going to do that. So the Catholic Church does a couple of things. First, we're going to create Catholicism. What does that mean? One of Jesus closest homies. We're going to need him, Peter. Tell him the truth, all the truth, and explain to him why he had those visions of Jesus first. Because Jesus put them together. He knew he was trying to damage control and that's why he got his homies together. So now you need to tell Peter about us. Not just the visions, not just the abilities that he has that he was trying to do.

Cristina: The one that starts this church or something.

Jack: Peter's the first Pope.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And the first pope is the first leader of the Catholic Church.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. So they know that all of his homies were involved in trying to help the narrative, but none of their homies know about the truth, the biggest truth. This. The sea people. That's a secret, no matter what.

Cristina: So tell him, or they don't have that part.

Jack: Tell Peter that part. Tell Peter about that part. And they tell him. Look, we're gonna give you the. You know these people, and this is what the truth is. And we need your help. We're going to give you some of our tech, some of our abilities. And these men here, these are the wise men, the magi. They are quite intelligent, quite capable individuals with abilities you can comprehend. They're going to assist you. You are the leader here. We're putting you in charge.

Cristina: They're going to just.

Jack: They're helping. Now, Peter also decides as part of his power and authority, how am I going to gather? Because one of the tasks he's given is gather all the data, gather all the information. They give you the tech to find it all. Now it's your job to go get it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So he builds the Knights Templar, a militia, a military that is the right hand of the Church.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Their job is to go confiscate anything he finds with this technology and tells them it's over there. Go get it. Okay, this one is over here. Go get it. And they're gonna go get the data.

Cristina: And they destroy the data, though. Or they just collect it.

Jack: They collect it and hide it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They give it to the church. They grab it all and they hide and they give it to church. But the. When they confiscate the data, they leave behind the altered version because they can just see what it is with the technology. They're like, oh, this is what's there. So we're gonna get that and we're gonna leave this version there. Changing things when they can. They can't do it all the time. Sometimes it's just an item that just, you know, we can't have the visual here, so let's take that. Items that might have some residual abilities or technologies because it's from the sea people, that kind of stuff. Okay, now they go ahead. They confiscate these things, they create this comprehensive book, and they. They alter the narrative.

Cristina: That's a go.

Jack: A lot of these things happen to be Stored in Mount Athos. All another bunch are underneath some of the holy locations in Italy, of course. And so all of this is established and Mary, now with her child, quote, dead, decides to go back to the sea people because she's no longer with her child. So there is no risk of them getting visions of her child in the future or in the past of the child being in this location. So she goes by herself, goes to Cyprus where the portal is, pops up in Mount Athos and goes up to the top of Mount Athos, presumably on the Unicorn, and gets to the rendezvous point where she is then picked up by the sea people who stop by this location regularly already without identifying themselves and trade with the locals.

Cristina: But then the whole Jesus being man, mentioning Jesus is confusing me. Like he wasn't a vampire before he died, even though he was doing something.

Jack: No, he was a vampire before he died.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But it was kind of like he.

Cristina: Had adrenochrome before his death.

Jack: Fascinating. Maybe he found adrenochrome himself around 30 after he was told these things. Maybe that was the drug back then. Maybe that's why so many people had weird abilities.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Maybe people were just doing adrenochrome because.

Cristina: It feels like he was doing adrenochrome. Okay.

Jack: Also, like, Dracula's pretty old, like thousands of years old. It kind of checks out. Yeah. Maybe that was just a drug back then. There was a bunch of. A bunch of vampires everywhere. It's kind of. Right. So that's the narrative that I believe is happening as of now. Details that matter. The book has been modified a crap ton of times.

Cristina: Mm. Does everyone know that?

Jack: Yeah. So the original Jewish Bible only had 39 books. The Roman Catholic Bible had 73. The Greek Orthodox Bible 79. The Protestant Bible has 66. That's the most commonly used in the United States. And the Ethiopian Bible has 84.

Cristina: A lot of books.

Jack: But out of all the scriptures, there are 263 official ones. So most books don't have the majority of them. They're not included. They are just told. It's not for the public eye.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That is the Catholic church at work. That is the knights at work. Now, over the last 170 years, additional writings have been found in both Africa and Eastern Asia, written provably by the original authors featured in the Bible. Except it would change a narrative that has been established. So they do not get included in the Bible in any of them. None of them. But writings have been found written by the original authors provably.

Cristina: But how are they all the way over there.

Jack: Because that's the same locations. Africa and East Asia is where Israel and the Middle east is. Yeah, that the East Asia is the Middle East.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So they don't want to do anything with that. But they have those.

Jack: They have those. They've been as they've been found. They've also been confiscated and stored. So, yes, the, the, the suppression movement at work. Things we know about the Garden of Eden, Just things. These are all just things to fact check. Some of these story points. The Garden of Eden in the Bible is hinted towards being in the Persian Gulf, which means the first mention was. And the visions are coming from this situation.

Cristina: Makes sense.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, while Mary was in the Persian Gulf oasis, the visions allowed people to see, even if it was thousands of years in the past. They saw the Persian Gulf oasis because the child was to be there. But as Jesus is about to be born, as Mary is actually pregnant, they can control the situation and send her out. Now the visions alter so that visions of this no longer happen. Nobody in the future has a vision of the Garden of Eden and nobody has a vision of the child ever being in the Garden of Eden.

Cristina: Yeah, it was just for a very brief moment while the child was there in her tummy.

Jack: Okay, so interesting. So location in the Bible is said to be of the Garden of Eden in the Persian Gulf. Adam ate specifically the Tree of Knowledge. So we know he tampered with the part of the population, technology that works with consciousness and the mind. He did something to that. Maybe he's the reason Jesus happened, because he made the mistake.

Cristina: He made some kind of mistake.

Jack: It's the fruit of knowledge, not the fruit of life. It's the fruit of knowledge. Telepathy is a psychologic sense.

Cristina: Okay, interesting. So Adam, maybe Jesus, maybe or had something to do with that.

Jack: The Bible tells us that Lilith left willingly. Adam and Eve were kicked and the serpent was punished. But the serpent was never said to be kicked out. That is never mentioned. Also, the serpent is never mentioned to be Lucifer or the devil. That is made absolutely clear in a lot of interpretations because nobody really knows what the h*** happened there and why people believe the serpent was the devil. That is never mentioned. In fact, at the time of the writing and for about a thousand years after the concept of the devil had not even come to exist. That enters the Bible quite late because.

Cristina: That'S part of the new part of the Bible.

Jack: Exactly.

Cristina: While the serpent was in the old one, where the devil wasn't a thing.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. So it was just The Jews don't believe in the devil.

Cristina: There's no devil.

Jack: There's no devil. That's not a thing.

Cristina: Yeah. There's probably names like Lucifer in the Bible as an angel.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: But not. Yeah, there's no demon. H***.

Jack: So serpent was used several times throughout the Bible to describe different people. And so was devil.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: To describe different people. And so was Satan to describe different people. Although Satan was also used to describe groups.

Cristina: Groups of people.

Jack: Satans. A group of Satans was a thing as well.

Cristina: Were there probably people with Satan as their name as well?

Jack: There's one moment that it looks like a person is referenced to be called Satan. It's not entirely clear who.

Cristina: So it really makes no. Like, he's. They're not calling him like the devil, though.

Jack: Yeah, no, no. All these things, they are not interchangeable.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Weirdly enough, the. Even in these books, in Numbers 22, Satan is described as part of a God's council, an agent of God. So like Satan, the name. Not Lucifer. No, Satan. So Satan describes different people in different instances. There's nothing specific. The devil also does not apply. And the serpent seems to be mentioned exactly only twice in the Bible entirely. Wants to describe a dragon and wants to describe this snake in the garden. Snake in the garden.

Cristina: Is the dragon in a. Is a bad character as well, or neutral?

Jack: It's a dragon. It's not like a sentient being of any sort. Yeah. So the snake is never mentioned as Satan or Lucifer, the devil or anything. It does seem to be some sort of sentient snake. It does seem to be an actual serpent. Like an actual snake is in the garden, which creates an interesting problem. What is it that's happening here? Is the snake a metaphor for a person? Why are you describing the person as a snake? Were they a weasel? Is their behavior Weasley? And so you describe them as a serpent. Is this code? We also gotta keep in mind that the. Is edited as for.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it could just be code. And it was a person. And you're like, oh, the deceiver did this.

Cristina: No, he's a robot.

Jack: No, it could be something created through whatever genetics technology they have that they then use to keep working, which then gives us. Interesting thing. The city people don't need adrenochrome. But what stops the fruits from collectively behaving in a similar fashion? How do we have a snake that is basically Steve the groundhog.

Cristina: Oh, okay. That's.

Jack: What do you see? Some creatures just become sentient.

Cristina: Is it because they're eating those fruits?

Jack: Again, the Fruit is technology. I don't think it's actual fruit. But we can focus on the snake and find out that it has behaviors that adrenochrome would give to some creatures. Yeah, that snake somehow got a hold of adrenochrome.

Cristina: Mmm. How's that possible?

Jack: I don't know. There were other people. They're not the only people. They're just the only people working on the garden. But people exist in general. The sea people are all around them. And they are not even the first sea people. They are just some of the sea people. And they're not even particularly great sea people. They've. They're way down the line. The people have been amazing for millions of years. This only happened 5,000 years ago. Like, they're just whack people.

Cristina: They're using. They might be using adrenochrome.

Jack: Adam and Eve have no special abilities. They are just workers. Lilith did, and she was kind of whacked out. She could have also, all things considered, based on how she eats her children and weird crap like that, that's very vampiric. She, on paper, might actually be a vampire, which seems to happen every time a human takes adrenochrome or anytime a sea person takes adrenochrome. Jesus is an example.

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: Okay, so we have an example of a sea person having taken adrenochrome and having these weird abilities. And then we have Lilith also having the same kind of reminiscent abilities that even Adam doesn't have. She must have taken what the snake had. She probably gave it to the snake.

Cristina: Okay, science.

Jack: Well, she was also, I'm assuming because she was there first, but Adam was then there. And it's like you're to respond to him. And it's like, no, but I'm. I'm the senior here. What the h***? I'm out, bro. You ain't just putting somebody else over me. But maybe she was the risky scientist and that's why you don't want her in charge. And she experimented on herself. Boom. Maybe these people invented adrenochrome as well. Maybe that is just sea people technology.

Cristina: How is the snake not kicked out?

Jack: Well, the snake is just one of the subjects. Not by choice, I guess. Exactly. So the snake is more excused for its behavior.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yes, yes, yes.

Jack: So, okay, now, Jesus. Interesting things about Jesus. He's suspected to have written in code the Book of John. The Book of John has been theorized throughout time to be written actually by Jesus Christ, not by John.

Cristina: Why do they think that?

Jack: Because its Perspective changes so drastically and sometimes a first person slip happens. Wait, sounds like he's referencing himself. Not only that, the book focuses on Jesus and his divinity specifically. Very few other narratives take place in. This speaks directly of Jesus without hiding his identity or alluding to it the way other biblical texts do where they kind of brush around his majestic. No, he's just like a dude. He's a dude instead of like he's supernatural, troll and everything, man. No, it's like. No, it's just a guy, like, who.

Cristina: Would say that other books.

Jack: Yeah, the other books in the Bible say that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But the Book of John is just like, you know, this guy, like people and whatever. And it's like, who would say that Jesus would say that because he's not impressive to him.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: It's the only book in the Bible to specify details and provable locations, names, minus the existence of Jesus himself that there's zero records for. It is the only book of the Bible that gives you direct references to people that you can prove existed. Places that were very exact. Not just, oh, this is real. No, this. You could, you could find the building, like that kind of stuff.

Cristina: So if it was him, it would make sense.

Jack: Yes. It's so on. It's too on point. And it's the only book in the Bible that offers interpretation. All the others are open to interpretation. This one is like, this is the way to think about this part.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: And Jesus was doing what? Trying to get you to think of it a certain way.

Cristina: Oh, crap. Jesus wrote his own little Bible. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. The Book of John.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Now, Knights Templar respond directly to the Pope and are tasked with finding, confiscating and acquiring by any means religious relics, scriptures and items, and delivering the desired narrative of Christianity through Bibles and preaching. So this is. This is the brainwashing group. Go out, acquire the things, give them the right way to think about it. And so they also were in charge of clarifying the quote correct way, unquote, to believe in Jesus Christ.

Cristina: Sure. How many different jobs they had.

Jack: It's all essentially the same one job.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And yeah, so that's what I. That's what I think. That's me tying the narrative together. Questions, we don't have answers to what the point of aligning these civilizations were. We know the minds weren't part of it.

Cristina: So then does the alignment even matter?

Jack: Yes, because it happened. But we don't have an answer to why. That doesn't mean it doesn't matter. That just means we don't have an answer to why. Okay, but it happened. It wasn't for no reason. They literally went to Maya and helped them out too. What was the point of that? If they didn't need anybody on one single line, why'd they do it? Specifically people that they gave very complicated mathematically accurate to a bunch of different. Like there's a purpose there.

Cristina: It's not for nothing even for. But there was people outside the line that they did the exact same thing.

Jack: Yes, but there were people directly on the line and the majority of them were on the line. Okay, so there was a point to that.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Something about that mattered. We don't know why. Now that's important. We do know it's important to take care of the garden. Probably because it's secret technology. They either want to populate the universe or they want to.

Cristina: They are populating the universe.

Jack: Well, it's possible that that's what the Egyptians left to do, I guess. Let's think of this in a couple of phases. Give the Egyptians who also have all the same data so they can recreate the technology and inside of one of the pyramids they have the ability to just teleport across the universe. And some of them could just. The pyramid would open. They can just leave in the rockets that they've placed inside, they can populate our own star system, all the local star systems and go across the universe and come from that side back populating everything in any in every direction, all at the same time. They have that ability. Space is their ability.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So they go out with the directions of the sea. People who help them get where they were going to start with. Then we have the Mayans who go underground. They store information. They have electric batteries powering something. There's something. The theory is whatever data retainment information. So that's the in case happens and they do get to us, this technology is safe.

Cristina: Elsewhere of the backup.

Jack: It's the backup. The Mayans are the backup. They disappear because they go underground to both store and protect all this data.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then the sea people who stay on Earth running the program, they have to protect the, the, the, the technology. They can't go into space where they might encounter other things that could be dangerous and want that technology.

Cristina: Do you think there is someone that does know where they're at that is trying to get that technology or not someone, but people, I guess.

Jack: So when we talk about the God of Light and the God of Dark, I believe Jehovah of dark is who kicked them out. And Jehovah of Or Actually, the other way around. Maybe it's Jehovah of Light who kicked them out because he was a technology leader. The good guy wanted to do it right then, because he keeps working on the project, more of his time is consumed. Some creature similar in scale to what we would think these gods are, but they're just people. The sea people are just people. But they're Atlanteans. They are Olympians. They are these way crazy to us.

Cristina: Special people.

Jack: Yeah, to us, but normal to themselves. Something about that scale of power comes through after the use of adrenochrome gets implemented.

Cristina: Oh, okay, that makes sense.

Jack: Which is at the same time we.

Cristina: Know there are people there that are taking adrenal.

Jack: Yes. Which happens to be at the same time that this glitch, this problem that Adam introduces into the system happens. That then, in the future, leads to the birth of the child.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: With the telepathy that's sending out the messages.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: This message perhaps rips through not just time, but gets to the shadow realm too. It's going everywhere all at once. This thing gets a message, gets the idea, plots, and he knows. He consistently interacts. With who? With fairies. And he's like, hey, I need a favor. I gotta get over there. You guys get over there all the time. There needs to be a way. And they're like, oh, yeah, there's an ancient, some method that we know about, and we can help you do it. So concentrate. Fear. Boom. He manages to get through because he wants that technology, because he can create his army however he wants.

Cristina: Because that would make sense of why they would move as well. Yes. Not just from people seeing the vision. That's part of it. But there's something else.

Jack: Well, anybody getting to it? It.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Anybody getting to it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's the point.

Cristina: But, like, they can stop us easily.

Jack: You're totally right. So it's what they can't stop their hiding from.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that's why it's important to get rid of the kid. Because before they were in plain sight, they didn't give a s***.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: They didn't give a crap. It's when this problem gets introduced that again, just so happens to be around the same time that adrenochrome is introduced to the equation. Around the same time the Adam messes with the technology that then leads to the glitch that eventually leads to the genetic problem that leads to Mary having a child without ever getting pregnant and without ever getting fertilized in the first place. And this child having supernatural abilities beyond the normal for the sea people that sends telepathic messages through time, through realities, through realms, through dimensions, gets to this creature that just so happens to be about as powerful as the normal sea people are. He finds a way with help of some fairies, gets through, shows up on this side, and tries to get a hold of the technology. But the sea people know this, and they immediately begin this mass evacuation and hide somewhere.

Cristina: That's very, very protective.

Jack: Yes. With several things happening. They have a collective of really overpowered beings protecting them from above. They have those beings, most overpowered beings, helping them. They have technology surrounding their home that crashes any plane, sinks any ship, makes anything, disappears, and probably flings it to that hole over there in space.

Cristina: Yes. It's a little.

Jack: Just dumping ground. Don't get close to us, or that's where you're going.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which. This is the only reason that. That Jehovah. Jehovah to Jehovah of dark cannot get in now. Jehovah of light hiding.

Cristina: Isn't he working in the garden?

Jack: He's with the garden. The garden is hidden in with the sea people in the bottom of Atlanta. He can't leave.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're. They. They're not going anywhere. We can't risk anybody following us back either. We are always gonna hide the last person to go there. Mary. That's also why the entryway is protected.

Cristina: The entryway is protected, yes, but no.

Jack: Also fascinating if there is technologies that could track them. There is one place where technology is dampened almost everywhere. It's the mountain.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: You can successfully leave your home and get to the mountain without being tracked. Because there's no way. The mountain is designed in such a way that it would stop everything except for the summit, where you could come in and out and nobody could know how you're doing it or where you're going. Boom. That's why that mountain matters so much, because it's the only way the sea people can leave.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And they have to do it in such a specific way after they get permission. After they. Not they don't get permission. After they make sure that everybody is well organized. What happens in Mount Athos, you need to passes. You need a permission to go there only specific people at specific times. And nobody's allowed in the summit.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Super controlled.

Cristina: It's very controlled.

Jack: Super controlled. So that they can come in and out knowing everything is tight. Nothing's tracking us.

Cristina: This makes sense.

Jack: That's the point.

Cristina: Yes. I think we got it.

Jack: I think we got it.

Cristina: I think that makes sense.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Because this thing, it Wants that technology. That's the real goal.

Jack: That's the real goal. Everything else is just means to an end. And the fact that the Jehovah, that this crazy super advanced intelligent scientist that did so much influencing and probably created a lot of the things that he gave to the Egyptians and the Mayans and all the other civilizations along the old equator, that was probably Jehovah's idea. He was just a genius scientist helping everybody advance. But he has to stay protecting the garden and working on his project. And the whole place is hidden that you ain't getting out too often. And we only go there once in a while because we got to make sure it's tight. So only one of us, only once in a blue, only to trade, and only when necessary. And it might have been thousands of years right now since somebody has been there. In the last thousand years, only 20 people have been up there.

Cristina: So rare. Okay, Jehovah doesn't leave. No.

Jack: But Jehovah of Dark then has free reign. I'm just as powerful. They already know these people and they kind of obsess with these people. I'll just claim to be one of them. In fact, I'll claim to be the one who gave the Egyptians and the Mayans and everybody the technology. I'll claim they can't correct me. They're not gonna show themselves. I win. My presence here hides them so I can just pretend to be him. But eventually that becomes a problem and he's like, you know what? I'm gonna teach somebody else how to work on my project and I'm gonna go and confront this f*****. I'm never coming back. People. Don't worry what the Jehovah of light exits the Persian Gulf away. And not the Persian Gulf voices, the sea, People's home in Atlantis. And that's where the good narrative comes in again. Not just the garden good or the dark in the middle of a bunch of destruction and crap, but the good again. That happens later. So in reality. Oh, my God. This story just wrapped up entirely up, what, at age 30? Actually, at the birth. At the birth, the wars and chaos that starts building allowed. That's probably exactly what. Oh, crap.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's the fairies. Deport kept messing with it and directing it. So it's always the Catholic Church versus the fairies, which is exactly what happened in Ireland when he went.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: When he went to kick out the fairies. The whole war is the Catholic Church versus the fairies. Who are the people helping? The shadow people. And one of them just so happens to be Jehovah. So Jesus is born. The fear of all of the crap happening and the narrative changing for the worst is what gets him through.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then this whole ordeal, that's when finally Jehovah of Light is like, I. Look, guys, I can solve it. I'm the smartest guy here I got. I have to. So you guys take the tech. I'm gonna go solve this problem. Jesus dies in the exchange, but he gets rid of Jehovah of Dark.

Cristina: Jesus or Jehovah of Light.

Jack: Jesus dies in the exchange, but they manage to get rid of Jehovah of Dark because Jehovah of Light is who we find out about afterwards.

Cristina: Okay, but then why are they still hiding so hard? I thought it was because they couldn't get rid of Jehovah of Dark.

Jack: Well, it's because the shadow people have a way in.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So he managed to get rid of the one person trying to control the narrative.

Cristina: Okay. But that doesn't stop.

Jack: That doesn't stop the fact that now there is a wave of fear that randomly shows up. And the shadow people, plus the fairies working hoots, being able to make it happen whenever they want.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they have to stay hiding because eventually one of them might get curious. And they can actually take this from us if they wanted to.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There's probably more of them than they are of us. And they got abilities we don't understand.

Cristina: Okay. Yes, yes.

Jack: So they have to stay hidden. That's where the shadow people are. That's how they partake in this. And the whole fear is part of this. And adrenochrome is a way for things to cross into the shadow realm to then join the shadow people. Boom. All of this fits in some crazy, bigger picture.

Cristina: Very, very crazy picture, but it makes sense.

Jack: Makes sense. That's so far what the narrative is.

Cristina: And everything fits. Shadow people, Jesus, etc.

Jack: We got Jesus, the Church, Adrenochrome, the Catholics, the Garden of Eden with Adam, Eve, Lilith, the serpent, and Jehovah all included. That tells us about the sea people, who are both the Go, the Persian Gulf oasis people and the Atlanteans. The how. Mary is really just one of them. Her quest, her child, the glitch, which is why Adam got kicked in the first place for tampering with the technology that later led to the kid with the telepathic ability to send messages in every direction, attracting some crazy s*** from somewhere else, some other realm that he also sent the message to. Thing figures out how to get across. They take note, go and hide, because this thing is in cahoots with some other creatures that are making people spaz out.

Cristina: So, yeah, I think.

Jack: So the war breaks out. Then the. We create the Church to control the narrative. After Jehovah of light shows up, deals with the main problem, but he knows there could be more in the future. So then he. With the maji, who are also sea people. So Jehovah, the sea person and the maji. The sea people. Okay, so maji is the scholar, the sea people. The maji are the. Also different kind of scholar, I guess. One is a scientist and the other, just like critical thinkers, problem solvers, the magi. That's what they do. And so together, they then create the Church, make the Pope, make the Templar, direct the story, and it's. It's great. And then they get Mount Athos, put it on down, packed. That's their way in and out. Very rarely does anybody come in. And it's likely people haven't come in or out in maybe 100 or 200 years.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So, yeah. Whoa. Story makes sense now.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Every part.

Cristina: I love it. But also, we have a sleeping Jesus that we haven't figured out what to do with.

Jack: Yeah, yeah.

Cristina: The story didn't help us.

Jack: The story didn't help us. Yes. Which I forgot. That was totally the point. That's how crazy this. But the whole point. We began just looking at unicorns, trying to figure out how to get Santa Claus to get Jesus out. That's how we got here. Because we still have Jesus in our facility, still in cryostasis, and we can't bring him out because he'll just die.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Ah. The road we've gone on.

Cristina: It's been awesome.

Jack: It's been awesome. Didn't help.

Cristina: No, not at all.

Jack: Not at all.

Cristina: You got a beautiful picture.

Jack: Yeah. This story is great. We managed to find all the pieces and connect them, so. Okay, I don't know if this is the end of it, but look, we still don't know why. The questions we do have to answer. We've answered a lot.

Cristina: There's. Yes.

Jack: What the h*** Jehovah of dark wanted with the tech. Like, what could he do to it? He knows genetic manipulation. Does he want to create his own humans? Does he want a physical body?

Cristina: I thought that's what it was about. I already thought we knew the answer. I thought he just wanted to make people to kill people and just enjoy that blood or fear or whatever.

Jack: I guess. Maybe also why the sea people created the old equator or aligned civilizations along.

Cristina: Yeah, it'd be even stranger if they.

Jack: Made but why did they align a bunch of civilizations that they helped evolve along the old equator that we do not get at all.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Is that everything? We haven't answered yet. I guess so.

Cristina: I guess we figured out unicorns. I think. Yeah.

Jack: Unicorns are probably just highly advanced because we already know they have genetic technology. That's what the Garden of Eden is. So it's something like a unicorn, which is essentially a shire horse with a genetic. Genetic disfigurement built in on purpose so that it looks unique. And some goat DNA, some mountain goat DNA in there so they can just climb mountains easily. Makes perfect sense.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. What else do we have?

Jack: I think it's just that we just still don't know what the point of the old equator is.

Cristina: That is the biggest mystery that won't be solved.

Jack: Who says?

Cristina: Or I guess not right now.

Jack: Oh, yeah. Anyways, if you guys are curious about how we got here, you can go, I guess start at where unicorns are or where we got. No, it starts before, if you want to. Really? Like before we got serious, how we. How we planned to get Santa Claus in the first place. This started in Christmas.

Cristina: It started around.

Jack: It started before Christmas.

Cristina: Before Christmas.

Jack: Yeah, started before Christmas.

Cristina: Probably in the beginning of December or the end of.

Jack: Somewhere around there. Read some descriptions. So we tried to find Santa Claus and then we tried to do that by getting unicorn. Actually, no. There were a couple of episodes before we tried to get some. It's not the point. You could find anything related to this or any episode before this in quite a couple of places.

Cristina: But it could possibly be related to this maybe.

Jack: Yeah, you can. Yes, because you can talk to us about any of those episodes that you find. Anything you think is interesting or any input you have or any interpretation of any of the information.

Cristina: If you could connect any more dots.

Jack: Yeah, actually, yeah, if you can. If you. If there's anything you feel you can connect that we haven't, or if you feel you know why. If you have an answer as to why the sea people gave technology to advanced civilizations around the old equator, please tell us why you think that is. You could tell us on all our socials at just convopod, that is on TikTok, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the.

Jack: Show and tell everybody about this. Everybody.

Cristina: Everyone needs to know.

Jack: Yes. Tell them to listen to the entire. There's a lot of episodes. The story doesn't end. Yeah, I always think it ends. No, but now I'm probably just gonna look into this old equator.

Cristina: This is as close as the ending. As we've gotten so far, though.

Jack: Yes, it is as close. We've wrapped up so much. There's really just that one question hanging.

Cristina: That is a tough question, but maybe we'll figure it out. Who knows? Hopefully this has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: You're not gonna sneak up. It's not happening. Just drop from the sky. They're gonna see you, but it's whatever. You're more likely to survive them shooting at you than crossing the largest desert ever known. In the hottest conditions ever known. With nothing to sustain yourself, your food will run out. Factually, you cannot carry the supply.

March 11, 2023

Rambling 217: Jesus the Son of Atlantis

March 11, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

What future was being avoided by the ancients? Why did the Sea People cast Mary and Joseph from the Persian Gulf Oasis and only allow them in once the child was no longer involved? And what is the Garden of Eden? The duo ponder how their recent findings into the ancient world connect and why these characteristics present themselves so often related to one another. What is discovered about Jesus Christ and the reason the Sea People cast his family is an entirely new revelation worth investigation of its own.

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Topics Discussed:

Adrenochrome
Christianity
Mount Athos
Atlantis
The Shadow Realm
Unicorns
Space
The Garden of Eden
The Maya
Egyptians
The MagiHoly
Coat
Blood of Christ

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is a show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas, and they're usually really absurd and really baffling simultaneously. I think we do a pretty good job sometimes.

Cristina: Childish.

Jack: Yeah, sometimes they're childish. Rarely lately, but that's still kicking around in there.

Cristina: But what the Christians did to the Russians. Christians. What is it? The. Whatever. Christians versus the Russian Christians. And then with the book. That's pretty childish.

Jack: Yeah, that was pretty childish. On the mountain.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Hiding. Hiding their picture book of animals.

Cristina: Yeah, it's pretty childish. I'm assuming the Russians are also Christian, Right? Like, they have to be.

Jack: Okay, so I'm very confused about this myself too. I think most of them are Christian, but not all of them.

Cristina: Yeah, but the Russians specifically, what do you think they are?

Jack: I think it would have to be Rush Christian, right?

Cristina: Yeah, I think so. Like, the other option is atheists, but I doubt, like, there's an atheist church on them.

Jack: Yeah, there's no. Yeah, they're all believers of something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they all find that mountain holy to some degree. Okay, so good. Good point. Right, like that. That was a weird, childish thing that did happen. But you bring up an interesting thing that this mountain. Okay, like, that book is weird. We're talking about Mount Athos. For anybody who doesn't know what mountain we're talking about, it's Mount Athos.

Cristina: From the last episode.

Jack: From the last. Yeah, the last series. Series. Series of episodes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's a very strange mountain with a lot of weird things. But I went and I looked farther to find what thing is. Are on that mountain that could somehow be relevant to anything else.

Cristina: Are there more mythical creatures?

Jack: Interesting. I don't know. But I gathered this information. I went ahead and I looked for all the things related to this mountain so that I can see how weird the things got. And the initial thought I came to this episode with was, we're gonna unpack the similarities between. Or not similarities, but what? Things have patterns that we consistently notice. But we'll get to that in a moment because this is one of the patterns, Right. This freaky mountain came out of nowhere, and then everything we've already ever looked at seems to connect through this mountain. All of a sudden, we became aware, and now we can't unsee the freaking mountain.

Cristina: Okay, but this mountain isn't on that line, though, is it?

Jack: Mount Athos is not directly on the line, though, because it's just off. It's just off. All the countries surrounding it are considered part, but not because of how close they are to that line.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But the only one landing directly on it is the Persian Gulf.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now I was looking at the fact that they hid that book atop the mountain.

Cristina: Newer.

Jack: I thought that was weird. It's like, okay, we know that you guys are trying to hide something. There's something weird happening up there. But that's too. That's. That's a deep secret. Like, we need to know somebody. We're not. We're gonna find out what's up there. You know, that's whatever. But in an effort to hide whatever is on top of that mountain most effectively, you're gonna let slip what's everywhere else. Somehow you can't hold it all up. So here and there, there's information for things, whether or not they tried to hide it. You can find out other things that are there now. Important to know that there's a lot of weirdly diabolical things that always take place in Christianity. People can take it for what it is, whatever, you know, you do drinking.

Cristina: What's happening? Children. Are they taking children to the mod?

Jack: No, no, it's more about. Again, I'm just talking about things they contain on the mountain. Relics.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Objects of the past and whatever. And like, first, the Catholic Church is very strange. They have a lot, a lot of skulls. Yes, many.

Cristina: Well, they keep the saints, don't they?

Jack: Yes, they have chambers of skulls, of just saint skulls.

Cristina: I think they've collected their blood. Use for magic.

Jack: Yeah, well, for me, I guess it would have to be, right. They do have the blood of the saints. They do. They have many, many. So much blood. There's so much blood. And there's so many skeletons and skulls. They have severed hands, they have severed feet. They have chests, like just torsos laying around. They got all these things preserved infinitely. They have all this crap in a lot of different, like, churches, cathedrals, like, you know, places where they have it. Many places have them.

Cristina: Many.

Jack: Yeah, they're everywhere. Catholic Church, skulls and, like, blood.

Cristina: People go there to pray on those objects.

Jack: Yo, this is normal.

Cristina: Because it's magical in these people's eyes that are praying to these objects or skulls or blood or whatever.

Jack: Blows my mind. It blows my mind. It's so blatantly satanic. Whoa. But whatever. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the most interesting two items that are here are they have the largest portion of the cross.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, they have the largest portion of the cross in Mount Athos.

Cristina: Specifically the cross that Jesus was on. You're talking about like any cross. It was the cross.

Jack: It was the cross. They have a chunk of the cross.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes. The other thing that's incredibly interesting here is the vial. The one vial. The one vial of blood of Jesus is on this.

Cristina: No, it's not. I don't know how that's possible.

Jack: My question is, is it at the top? Why? Why is it less important than whatever's at the top?

Cristina: How do you know it's not at the top?

Jack: Wasn't. It's inside certain monasteries.

Cristina: That's very strange.

Jack: What was in the book? So it was in the book. Why. Why does that get to be the thing that goes up? Why is that more important?

Cristina: It has location of Mary.

Jack: Does it? Like what is. What is happening here? This is a really weird, almost contradicting idea that if whatever's most important goes to the summit of the mountain, you do you take. Or are they just trolling and there's no importance to the top of the mountain, it's just sacred. And nobody goes up there. And so they just took it from the Russians and they're like, haha, you can't grab your thing. But I doubt that's happening. So why was the book more important to take up there? I don't understand. It seems like such an arbitrary thing.

Cristina: It does. Yeah. Because it's not just about the unicorn.

Jack: It's not just about the unicorn. Like really? Really. Why the book? Why the beastiary Mary?

Cristina: 100% it's Mary. No, but she's not like a beast or anything.

Jack: Yeah, she's not like a Pokemon.

Cristina: I don't know. Unless they found out something about her that makes her a Pokemon.

Jack: The makes her Pokemon? That'd be nuts.

Cristina: Exactly. We wouldn't know because it's in that book. What if it is in that book? I don't know. Because we know she's important somehow. But they don't talk about it. They just say they were worshiping Mary on this mountain.

Jack: Yeah, it's very vague.

Cristina: She came there, they're there for her. But where is she?

Jack: Yeah, I don't know. Story kind of just abruptly wraps up. But why would the book be associated with Mary? It still doesn't make sense. She's not a Pokemon.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Like, yes, definitely. There's. I don't understand. It's so weird, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I don't get it. Just the. You have the blood, dude. If this blood is what you say it is, or if it's not, either way, you take it to the top of the mountain, because holy. Right. If you're lying and you need to keep the secret, take it to the top.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If you're telling the truth, then holy s***, it's the blood of Jesus. Take it to the f****** top.

Cristina: So it's not the real thing?

Jack: No. If it's not the real thing, you also want it at the freaking top.

Cristina: Not if you need it, because also in the top, magic doesn't work. Or the whole mountain is not magical. Is it just the top or is it all of it?

Jack: Interesting? I don't remember. Was it just the top? I think it was that only the top is where magic works.

Cristina: Is where magic works.

Jack: It's the only part of the mountain where magic works. Making it neutral territory for when people with magic show up. Or in this case, I guess it would be some sort of dampening field. If we're talking that these are advanced civilizations because we fail to think of it in that way. And we're supposed to, because that's what's happening. These were the higher developed groups of people. And so everything we're considering the. Be this sort of. Again, we just established that even unicorns were just genetically engineered. Large shire horses with a defect bred in intentionally to make an interesting shape.

Cristina: Possibly, yes.

Jack: So it's all science. So ultimately, what you're dealing with is something there that's making the territory neutral.

Cristina: Except for the top.

Jack: Except for the very top. Because they need to arrive. You can't disable their technology when they land. They need to get there and then, you know, park or whatever and then come down. That's what it sounds like to me. The whole time I was telling that, I was always thinking about it that way, and I'm like, why does it sound like. Of course I wasn't thinking about a dampening field or anything, but you know that they land. They park. They essentially park up there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then they come down the trade.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And it's like, what a weird series of sentences to use to describe that. You could have said anything else. They came down and gave us tablets, bro. You could just. You could have said anything. But you chose to say they came, they landed, and then they walked out. They walked down and they just traded with us.

Cristina: I don't know. Why do they have that blood? They're not doing anything with it. Because then on top of the mountain, it would be magical.

Jack: On top of the Mountain. It would be magical. Why does the book. Is the book magical?

Cristina: Well, on the top it should be.

Jack: But what is magical about the book? It's just a bookkeeping record. If the book itself doesn't have power, it's just. I saw a thing. I drew it and described it a little. And this is where I saw it. Why is that up there?

Cristina: It makes sense.

Jack: It doesn't.

Cristina: It?

Jack: 100%. This makes sense. It haunts me.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It haunts me. There's some mystical something about having a portion of the. The holy cross up there that's some significance. The blood. Significant. But.

Cristina: But neither of those things are on the top.

Jack: Neither of those things are at the top.

Cristina: They're just there.

Jack: Hello. Skeletons and crap. None of those are at the top either.

Cristina: Did you find anything else weird on that mountain?

Jack: No, this actually, by accident, I even found this information is the craziest thing, because I wasn't looking for this.

Cristina: What were you looking for?

Jack: I was looking at the fact that we still have. Jesus. We haven't solved that problem. We slightly peaked into the future and stuck. Got stuck in a loop of some sort already. And it's like, okay, we can't use a time machine anymore, so let's reason through it. So I was thinking we're going to look at the artifacts that he directly came in contact with. That makes perfect sense to me. That's a good place to start. Because if he has some sort of real magic or power, then maybe something else does too, that he touched or interacted or used or whatever. And so we could use that to bring him out of cryostasis without killing him.

Cristina: Assuming that those things are magical.

Jack: Yeah, assuming that they're magic. And we can actually bypass technology. But if it does turn out to.

Cristina: Be technology, then how would we know how to use that technology?

Jack: How would we know how to use.

Cristina: Like, even if it's magic, we wouldn't know how to use it. Neither. Or either.

Jack: Or. But we have. Again, we have means at least to learn what kind of thing works with magic. We know things that claim magic, even if it turns out to always be technology, which just means it's ultimately going to be just too advanced of a technology.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Crap. That's always a problem, isn't it?

Cristina: If it is somehow magic, we can give it to our beaver.

Jack: To our beaver.

Cristina: Groundhog.

Jack: Well, in. He's not magic.

Cristina: He's pretty magical.

Jack: I mean, is that what happens is. Did we establish that it is magic that you get from adrenochrome because you.

Cristina: Get abilities I guess we never really call it magic.

Jack: No, but we didn't say it was like, you know, sciency either, because, like, could we track it in the gene? It's a we. It is kind of other thing of some sort.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Like, why does a plus that specific be equal? A functional C? I don't understand.

Cristina: Something's not right.

Jack: Something's not right. But. Yeah. So this mountain is a complete nightmare. And once it showed up, it didn't stop showing up. And so, again, looking through things related to Jesus, the main things that were important for whatever reason, the relics that are being hoarded in different places around the world away from the public, include from the crucifixion, specifically, more pieces of the cross it's spread across.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: The crown of thorns.

Cristina: His crown of thorn.

Jack: They have. They have it specifically the people on the mountain. No, no, no. Oh, this is just around the world.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The Holy Lands used to poke him on the side and pierce him when he was on the cross.

Cristina: Okay, but you don't know who has these. No, no, you just know they exist.

Jack: Yeah, they're. They're all it was. They're scattered. It's irrelevant. Random places, just people. Got it. But the interesting one opposite to all of these, that there is only one of. It's only one of all of these.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They're like, it's over there. Oh, yeah, it's over. Except the cross. Everybody's like, I got a chunk. Broke it apart, bro. Whatever. But the coat he wore. He wore.

Cristina: He wore a coat.

Jack: The coat he wore? Yeah, the coat he wore right before he was crucified.

Cristina: What coat?

Jack: Some. He's. Some's coat. The holy coat.

Cristina: The holy coat.

Jack: He had a coat.

Cristina: No, he didn't.

Jack: Yeah, he had a coat. Some jacket or something that he was wearing, and then they took it off to whip him. Yeah, yeah, he was. He was. He was wearing some coat. Allegedly. I don't know. Holy people. I don't know, man.

Cristina: But he's the one else's coat.

Jack: Well, that's where it gets weird. Specifically this one thing that nobody ever believed happened because nobody knows why the story just arose without it being in the Bible. It's not in the Bible. He didn't have a coat. It's got mentioned that he had a coat from something and it went down through history, trickled down for 2,000 years. That's right.

Cristina: Even though it's not in the Bible.

Jack: It's not in the Bible. Was trickled down. But apparently he had a Code. And people knew he had a code. It was famous code or whatever. Coat. He's super Aussie. Maybe he was. Maybe was known for his coats, you.

Cristina: Know, but it wasn't in the Bible.

Jack: Was in the Bible.

Cristina: But this coat, everyone has it.

Jack: Everybody has this coat. And that's a really.

Cristina: Pieces of the coat.

Jack: No, no, no, they have the coat. Many, many people believe they have the coat.

Cristina: The coat.

Jack: The coat, yes.

Cristina: Do you have any idea what this coat looks like?

Jack: It's just a flat little brown, like looks. It looks crappy.

Cristina: Okay. And they all look the same. Like, did you see it in all these places that say, oh, I have it.

Jack: Yeah, it looks the same. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Why? Why?

Jack: The one similarity is that all these places claim that the trickle down from them happened where they were. That this person had a vision of Jesus as he was on the cross or right before he was on the cross. And when Jesus disappeared from the vision, the coat got left behind. Is always a story.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Everybody f****** has one.

Cristina: Oh, so they're. None of those are the real coats? They're vision coats?

Jack: Well, they called it a vision. But like, was Jesus there if he's leaving a coat behind?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But he's everywhere.

Cristina: Yeah, I mean, he's magic, right? I don't know.

Jack: So he's simultaneously at all these places. Because these are all people claiming like.

Cristina: None of them have the original coat. They have. They have the coat.

Jack: They have a coat.

Cristina: Yeah, they have a coat. And it came from a vision. Like, I'm sure. I don't know. Sounds so dumb.

Jack: So out of all the items, I think most of these are just bullshit items. This is s*** that he interacted with. No significance, no power. I think the one item to look at is actually this one that everybody ignores. What the holy coat. I think that's an item that might truly have some magical significance to it.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because he left one everywhere simultaneously.

Cristina: Was it simultaneously, it was a vision.

Jack: Right before he went to get crucified?

Cristina: No, like it happened that time.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That those people receiving.

Jack: Oh, s***.

Cristina: Or is it in the future after that happened that they get the vision of that? Like. What do you mean?

Jack: Yeah, I know that the vision was of that moment.

Cristina: Yeah. Like. But if I had that vision right now and then I get that cold. Like it doesn't. It's not just one period where all these people got the vision.

Jack: I never even considered that. You think that happens in the Bible? That probably happens all the time. Right. I never thought about that. That when these simultaneous events happen, they could Actually simultaneous. Yeah. It's not actually simultaneous. It could be like. Yeah. You might be talking about the same moment, but you could have had that vision way later. Which is essentially somebody said a story and you had a thought about it at a random moment, and you're like, wow, pictures in my head. A vis. Whoa.

Cristina: Yeah, we can get that coat. Maybe.

Jack: But how do you get the coat? That's the weird part, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If they really believe it. But that's the problem. Why do so many people really believe it?

Cristina: That they got the coat from Jesus.

Jack: Yeah. Like where the. Where the what?

Cristina: I don't know. Because they saw Jesus.

Jack: No, but, like, where did the actual coat. Yes. Whatever. Their explanation for it is fantastic. Sweet.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Where did the actual coat come from? They. They were left with a coat. Like what? Regardless of what crazy story they built around it, they really ended up with a coat. Some anomaly happened.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And they were left with a coat. Weird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it happened many times. Whether it be at the same time. I don't know. Or spread throughout time. But they all had a coat from a vision. From a vision or an ethereal visitor or something. A guy who is there and then wasn't.

Cristina: Like, what's the purpose, though? What's the purpose for Jesus to be doing this?

Jack: Be handing out coats?

Cristina: Right. Yes.

Jack: Okay, so that's the weird one out of the crucifixion. Very strange. And then some of the other relics that have specifically to do with Jesus were from the Last Supper. Would that include a knife from the holy chalice and a knife from the. From the Last Supper and the holy chalice?

Cristina: Oh, the knife doesn't sound as impressive as the chalice where he drank from it.

Jack: He used a knife to cut the bread, I guess.

Cristina: Unless it was to cut his own skin. I don't care. Unless he was cutting his skin and they eat his skin and it was like, whoa, this tastes like bread. That's crazy.

Jack: That would be amazing. Unrelated to the Last Supper or the crucifixion. Tears from when Jesus mourns Lazarus.

Cristina: No. What?

Jack: They saved his tears. How they were ready. How they were ready.

Cristina: Who was there when he cried and gathered up those tears?

Jack: No, let's be real. Let's be real. Do you think Jesus, the super mega, super duper star, had a single moment where there weren't people just trying to grab his spit at any given second? Like, we don't think about it. Yeah, we don't think about it like that. But really, really just a celebrity. He was a super mega celebrity.

Cristina: Very hated both.

Jack: The more love, the more hate, baby. The more love, the more hate. And that's exactly what he was living is a super megastar.

Cristina: Someone was collecting his tears.

Jack: F****** tears, bro.

Cristina: Then someone collected his sperm.

Jack: No, but okay, weirdly enough, a very odd pride of the Catholic church is the fact that they have his circumcised junk.

Cristina: He was circumcised?

Jack: Yeah, because he was a Jew. And they. They kept this foreskin. They're very proud of it.

Cristina: Okay. They have a foreskin? Yeah.

Jack: Good job, guys.

Cristina: Oh, they are creepy.

Jack: So, like, got a baby's foreskin. Air 5, guys. We preserved it and everything. Whoa.

Cristina: They take turn looking at. Okay, whoa. What do they do with it?

Jack: What do they do with what?

Cristina: That thing, the foreskin. Why do they have it? They put it on themselves. They put it on their heads? Yes.

Jack: They lick it once in a while for its power.

Cristina: That's disturbing. Okay, what else do they have? That's so awful?

Jack: All right, weird thing. That's actually at Mount Athos, though.

Cristina: What? Back to the mountain?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The gift of the Meiji.

Cristina: That means nothing to me.

Jack: The three dudes.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Rolled in from seemingly nowhere. I actually tried to find out about these people.

Cristina: Okay, what did you find? Nothing.

Jack: It's. It's hard, weird, and highly obscure.

Cristina: They're kings. They should be known. If they were real.

Jack: Oh, no, no, no, no.

Cristina: If they're real.

Jack: Let me be correct. Let me correct you when I explain that you remember the three kings because you're hearing the warped, more popular version. But it's the three wise men. Most commonly. They are not kings. It is not established anywhere. They are wise men who come from question mark. And the Bible does a really good job job of giving you nothing. They just kind of roll in.

Cristina: Okay, so these three wise men.

Jack: These three wise men, the gifts, the Meiji. They show up. They're just known. These people, these obscure people, they claim their royalty themselves. Allegedly. The magi claim their royalty. That's all that's known. They're some people and they come in. They show up. It is not. It's not said anywhere that they're here to worship this guy. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Cristina: They show up with gifts.

Jack: With gifts. They're not here for a God of any sort. They haven't said that. Maybe they are. Who knows? I'm not sure what's in their head. They didn't. They didn't say it.

Cristina: What did they say?

Jack: They just brought some gifts for the future king.

Cristina: For the future king.

Jack: For the future king. They were there for royalty.

Cristina: Okay, so they saw him as some kind of king, but they weren't really specific on.

Jack: They weren't what that meant. So they gave gold, frankincense and myrrh.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: A lot of people are like, what the h***? Yes, like what, bruh?

Cristina: What's the baby gonna do with that?

Jack: What's the baby gonna do with that? Now this actually has people torn about what? The fact that these three things were given leads to a lot of confusion. First, these three things are on the mountain.

Cristina: Oh, so you're saying.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: Yes. But what is he gonna do with it? What does it mean?

Jack: These three things are on top of the mountain. Sure, with the book.

Jack: Now what the h*** are these three things?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay. Theories, because it's not known.

Cristina: They're telling him where to go. They want him to go up there.

Jack: To go up where?

Cristina: The mountain. They know he's from them.

Jack: No, no, no.

Cristina: They're from. They're not just from the mountain, they're from Atlantis.

Jack: Holy s***. What?

Cristina: The top of the mountain is the portal.

Jack: Wait, no, but these things are kept at top of the mountain now. Yes, these are relics now at top of the mountain.

Cristina: Oh, I thought you meant that those things are found on the mountain.

Jack: No, no, no, these things are currently on the mountain.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They're from the top of the mountain.

Cristina: They're not.

Jack: They're not from the top of mountain, they're on top of.

Cristina: That's why the way you're saying it makes me. Okay, okay.

Jack: They're not on top of the mountain.

Cristina: They're on top of the mountain. Okay, but they're not naturally from the mountain.

Jack: Well, I don't know where these things come from. I mean, just because if they were.

Cristina: Found on top of the mountain, that meant like, hey, we know you're one of us. Here's some gifts.

Jack: Would have been crazy, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Well, no, here's the thing that's heavily speculated. What these things even meant.

Jack: People don't know. So one idea is that they're completely ordinary. They're just things that you would like normally have, you know, just having. What is it? You have gold, which is a commodity. Like it's money, if money. You have myrrh, which is commonly used as an anointing oil, and then frankincense, which is essentially used as a perfume. So like just normal crap, common s***. Yeah, here's some s***. Guys have it. And to us it doesn't make sense because it's so primitive. But to them, it was like, yeah, this is the pristine perfume rock, and this is like money rock. And this is like, you know, there's super primitive.

Cristina: It's not probably enough money to make him rich or anything. It's like, here's some.

Jack: Here's some s***.

Cristina: Here's a dollar.

Jack: We just brought you some gifts, bro.

Cristina: Not much. Okay. Any other theories, though?

Jack: The second. Well, that was one of the most. One of the two more dominant theories, but the more dominant of the two is the spiritual metaphor that they are supposed to signify. Like, gold is to signify that he's a king.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Kings and gold, you know, it's. It's a metaphor.

Cristina: Came there thinking he's the king.

Jack: Yeah. So metaphor. Exactly. Exactly. Frankincense, which is an incense used for rituals very commonly to signify his godliness. You know, you do rituals to deities and whatnot.

Cristina: What's the last one?

Jack: And myrrh, which is an embalming oil. So it's to preserve the dead, is to symbolize death. Plot twist.

Cristina: God of death, which sort of. Because he's there at the gate, letting you in. No, he's not. He's not at the gate. I thought he was. It was John. John's at the gate.

Jack: Who's John?

Cristina: One of the apostles. They were chosen to protect the gate, I think. Or is it his dad? I'm not sure. Is it apostle or his dad?

Jack: Somebody. I mean, we also got St. Patrick over there just running random crap. I don't know how.

Cristina: He's like, Super St. Patrick's Day. I think that's this month. I think that's a week away on Thursday. Happy St Patrick's but yes.

Jack: So we have a gift given to this kid to symbolize death. That's all that weird. I didn't know about that before.

Cristina: I don't know. I mean, we all die, so. So they gave him the circle of life. I don't know.

Jack: The circle of life. Here's some money, here is some incense, and here is some death.

Cristina: I don't know. None of those. It doesn't make sense.

Jack: But those things are kept atop the mountain. Now, what you said blew my mind, though. So are they. If there is some sort of hidden meaning, could the meaning be some attractor? Like what is atop the mountain?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Why can nobody go up there? Are these three elements just naturally up there? Did they come from atop the mountain? Is that what's happening?

Cristina: I thought you meant. I thought that's what you meant. But that's not what you meant. But that would have been so cool, man, if they were what? Or maybe they're natural in Atlantic, because we don't really know much about that.

Jack: We don't know what elements were there naturally.

Cristina: No. Is there any way to find out?

Jack: No. So that was just random. Random bits of things that have been out there, you know, just relics here and there. And so trying to. My idea was trying to connect, like how, how. How do all these dots cross? I find that Jesus is at the center of a lot of things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Even when we ran through Adrenochrome, it kind of just casually cruised right through him. Just everything we do leads back to Jesus. I was like, okay, we have many problems like this, right? So here's just a couple of lists, just me brainstorming, trying to figure out really what's going on.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Okay. First, what are all the ancients like, the advanced civilizations? What were they avoiding? You know, what are. What future situation is it that they're dodging? Is it that they're trying to get away from? Some go underwater, some go underground, some go into space. But they're all leaving the surface of the Earth.

Cristina: But they're going underwater. You mean just they're.

Jack: They're. Yeah, they're leaving the. The, the. Yeah.

Cristina: Safer to be underwater than on the ground.

Jack: It's safer to be underground than on the ground.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What is it that they're all running from? So I wanted to answer that question. I just started crossing some lines. So random things. This is just lists I have of things. So things that are consistently tangled. If we have one, we'll have two or three or four. Sometimes all of them show up. That's Adrenochrome.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Christianity. Usually leading back to Jesus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Mount Athos, which is the most sudden thing that's just there persistently. Atlantis, it was always there, but we never really looked at too hard. The shadow realm, unicorns, which is a weird one that, like, you ignore it don't know. It connects to anything and then it suddenly connects to everything.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Space. Something about all of it has to do with space. Always weird. And the other side of the wall, of the flat earth wall, whatever other dimensional rift, that is that. So these are all characteristics that represent. When we're looking too deep into anything, these things show up. Always one of them, bare minimum. Bare minimum. One of these things shows up. And all of them have shown up many times over and over and over and over and over and over.

Cristina: So how do they relate?

Jack: How do they relate? These are the truths that keep sticking Out. How do they relate to.

Cristina: It's all nonsense. I don't know.

Jack: It sounds like a list of gibberish. Adrenochrome, Christianity, Mount Athos, Atlantis, the Shadow Realm, Unicorns, Space and the other side of the wall. But they do, often without too much effort. One of these shows up.

Cristina: What does the other side of the wall have to do with anything, though?

Jack: Groups of people and. Or philosophies. Atlantis and Christianity. Only two that show themselves.

Cristina: Show themselves?

Jack: Yeah. Only two that represent. On this line, groups of people that consistently show up. The only groups of people that consistently shop are Christianity and Atlantis. Those are really, really, honestly, the only two groups of people that are consistently showing up. Only two we can look at when it comes to consistency. What are locations? We got Mount Athos is a location. The Shadow Realm is a location. Space. And the other side of the wall. That's four. Four different locations.

Cristina: You think they're related?

Jack: No, no. They're just locations.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We have items. At this point, we treat the unicorn like an item because it doesn't seem that the use of a unicorn is as important as having the unicorn's horn. So items. Adrenochrome and alicorn.

Cristina: Not the unicorn.

Jack: Not the unicorn. Because they're using the parts of a unicorn. It doesn't seem like anybody's particularly interested in the unicorn itself.

Cristina: I think it's too hard to capture the unicorn, isn't it?

Jack: So you just get whatever sheds, which I do think must be what's happening.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That would explain how somebody could just walk up and grab it.

Cristina: Because they're too hard.

Jack: It's too hard. So just things. These are this. I just named this list. Things that are tangled.

Cristina: I don't know. Because Atlantis.

Jack: Yeah, we can follow triangle. Yeah, we can follow random trains of thought. Right. So like, adrenochrome directly connects to Jesus because Jesus probably is the first person to create some substantial form of adrenochrome, most likely the first vampire. So we have Jesus Christ through Christianity. They're worshiping that. There's some ritualization happening there, but whatever. Christianity directly tries to suppress Atlantis because of reasons.

Cristina: Because of Mary. If.

Jack: Because of Mary.

Cristina: Maybe she told him to do that. Maybe she's working with them.

Jack: Well, here's the thing. I think Mary was an Atlantean. For real.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: And they think that.

Cristina: Why would she want people to know that.

Jack: That she was an Atlantean? She's got to keep it a secret.

Cristina: Yeah. Why? What if she made some type of deal with the church?

Jack: Like like double agent deal, I guess. Like she's leading the church on.

Cristina: No, I mean, like, she just needs them to keep Atlantis a secret. She's the person that wants Atlantis a secret. It's not the church. They don't care what's a secret or not. Like, they just want all. Every information.

Jack: Do they care? Random thought. It is weird how it's worded that she gets cast from Atlantis.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Well, actually from the Persian Gulf oasis.

Cristina: Yes. But then she's accepted back.

Jack: We don't know that. That's us.

Cristina: Assuming there's no way she made that travel. If she didn't think like, oh, they're gonna take me back.

Jack: Then the question is this lady Mary is pregnant in the Persian Gulf oasis and she is cast out. We're gonna use cast. Very emphasized because I'm gonna talk about this word in a second. And then she crosses into territory that would later become the Christian territory, and then gave birth, waited the entire life cycle, and left to return to the same people she was, quote, cast by. They wanted the baby. The Catholic Church wanted the baby before he was born. Not even the Catholic Catholicism hasn't happened yet. No, the Jews wanted the baby. Somebody knew something.

Cristina: What will become Christianity? You're saying there's a group of people already worshiping? There was a group before Jesus, Yes.

Jack: They.

Cristina: I don't know, which makes sense, because the. The three kings are. Whatever. They're actually the magi or whatever.

Jack: The magi, yeah.

Cristina: There's people who already know beforehand that he was going to be born. So there's going to be a group of people who are worshiping him before he's ever born.

Jack: So my question is, were all the major cultures of the time fighting for who is going to give? Who's going to claim the child of God like this? You're trading something somehow for whatever reason. Because at this point, it seems like, okay, in my mind, highest bidder, who got it, okay, it's gonna go to the people of Bethlehem or whatever, you know, and it's like, whoa, why? What? So secret organization there, Whatever. What's the use? Why was it so important that you get to claim Jesus?

Cristina: Because they saw something special in him. They knew he was the son of God.

Jack: Maybe they all knew. But why was it that these were the people who got the baby instead of those other people who probably wanted him too?

Cristina: Because the deal with Mary.

Jack: I don't think the deal was with Mary, because why would then if she was cast, why would she be allowed back in? I am thinking caste is some Kind of incorrect translation. I think it was a deal between the people of the Persian Gulf oasis with whatever.

Cristina: The secret group that becomes Christianity.

Jack: Yes. I think that's what's happening. Because they took Mary back.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's a logical assumption to make. They took Mary back. That's why she disappeared atop the mountain where the Atlanteans already go. And they're just the people of the Persian Gulf.

Cristina: Voices, like, change all of history about.

Jack: Because he was born where. They were controlling the narrative.

Cristina: Okay. But that's what the Atlantics wanted. They don't want people to know about.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: They're the ones that want to keep the secret.

Jack: It was about getting rid of the need that people would have to find where the child of God was born.

Cristina: Mm. That was the important thing.

Jack: It was to hide Atlantis. She was doing it for Atlantis.

Cristina: Yes. That's too much information. Yeah. It's not that the baby was evil or anything. They just knew it was special. And it's gonna attract people. No, but then why have her leave? Because if she had the baby there, what would have been the difference?

Jack: What would have been the difference? But people already knew, which is what you already said. Maybe people were told. Maybe people would have looked infinitely. And they were avoiding that. They know. Even if we're hiding.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, even if Jesus lived in Atlantis his whole life, people still had visions of Jesus. Would have. Outside of Atlantis.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Because they were already having visions of Jesus before he was born.

Jack: Before he was born.

Cristina: So the only solution was to kick him out. Not really kick him out, but just. He can't be here if he's all, look for him here.

Jack: That is. Holy crap. That's amazing. You had to kick Jesus out in order to stop the attention from coming to Atlantis. People were having. You're totally right. You're totally right. They were having visions about Jesus thousands of years before he was born.

Cristina: That's why they needed to change the whole story. That's why they needed him white. It wasn't like the church was being evil or anything. I mean, they're probably still evil.

Jack: I mean. Yeah.

Cristina: They have infinite power.

Jack: Like, of course. But that wasn't even part of the plan. It was. The church was built around. And obviously that's why it always looks like lies and like there's holes left and right.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because the whole point of the church is an institution to really actually, in fact, the truth. Maybe the church was created by the people of the Persian Gulf oasis. Maybe the church was the original group. We're gonna go hide as Far from here as possible, where nobody's ever gonna find us. You few elite sold that we're going to leave out here. We're going to task you with the only job of making sure nobody ever finds us.

Cristina: That they have their own people on their mountain just hanging out and throwing books on top for some reason.

Jack: Nobody can go up top to the mountain, though.

Cristina: It has to do something with Atlantis. It's not just about the animals. There's something there about Atlantis as well.

Jack: It's weird that they left the area. Usually when you think of biblical things, there's an area of effect that seems to be the important area. So like, if you leave where old school Jehovah used to chill, he probably wouldn't know. And like, he's not gonna go follow you. You know, he affected this one region and that's all he ever affected. Yes, but the people of the Persian Gulf oasis did in fact move after a virgin was pregnant with the child that would then become.

Cristina: You said they moved.

Jack: They moved where? To Atlantis.

Cristina: Oh, was that after? Yeah, that didn't seem related.

Jack: It's. No, I'm not saying it's definitely happened after the fact.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because she left the Persian Gulf oasis.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now, they eventually went into Atlantis and they left people behind with the task of erasing their existence, which then later became the corrupt church. It's just the people who were here doing their job did do their job, but they did their job. You know, generations and generations down the line, this giant institution continues to modernize, morph, and holds on to powers it was given.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Is that essentially what's happening?

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: And then all these artifacts are just again, in an effort to hide. They don't even hide the fact that they're hiding things. They just hide things. They let you know they're hiding things. You just. You're used to them hiding things. You don't really question a lot of it. But they commonly hide things.

Cristina: But they wouldn't say they're hiding a lances.

Jack: No, they're just hiding a bunch of things that could confirm if put together in a perfect picture get made and parts of story be factually confirmed.

Cristina: Okay. See, But I don't think we'll ever find that out.

Jack: That's just random crap that's tangled up together. Yeah. There's also things that seem to be opposites.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: There's. In three different occasions, we have three different things that seem to be opposite. Number one is adrenochrome and alicorn. They somehow seem to Be more or less similar, but also opposite and different in the same ways that they're the same.

Cristina: They might be the same.

Jack: Well, no. One is just a bone and the other one is straight up jacked up, adrenaline filled blood from fear.

Cristina: True.

Jack: Like they're very different.

Cristina: But I think unicorns might come from that other place where the creatures feed.

Jack: Off of adrenochrome or their fairies can hop between both. But it's unknown where they come from.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. That means Atlantis is actually just. Then it's not really located on Earth.

Jack: Well, no, because the problem is that we. Unless we're saying that it's not. If it is a fairy, than Atlantis is magic and those aren't normal people. Like, I guess God was born there for a reason. Like that's essentially, you know, Mount Olympus. You know? Essentially. Yeah, exactly. Would have to be right at that point. If it's magic, then that's Mount Olympus.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: If it's science and no, then yeah, they just made the horse.

Cristina: But maybe, I don't know. It's so complicated when you take. You think about what the other side is and the fairies and everything.

Jack: But it could be because again, the shadow realm is a freaking place and so much crap goes through there.

Cristina: Yes, it comes here and does crap.

Jack: But a unicorn doesn't seem to be in inciting fear and is in particularly peaceful places. In fact, the place that's particularly peaceful of all places. And that's the only place that it's seen. So it's not really using fear to show up.

Cristina: It's crown. It's crown. Horn isn't peaceful. It drives people mad.

Jack: It kind of does. Just the knowledge of it. But I think that's more about. I think that has more to do with human tendency.

Cristina: Are you sure? What if the whole unicorn is feeding off of that madness? How do you know?

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: It might be the most peaceful thing in the world, but like, because it's.

Jack: Sucking, it's like throwing any negativity outward.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Interesting. You think that the horn is making people go mad.

Cristina: Yeah. They want you to find that horn.

Jack: That's an actual fascinating kind of horror version of a unicorn.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That reminds me of that Santa Claus from Love of Death and Robots.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like that idea of like, yeah, it's still just as beautiful and just as majestic, but you're slowly gonna spiral into madness while you're around it.

Cristina: Mm. What if that makes so much sense too though?

Jack: That makes so much sense.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But they, that means they do get it. It is just a horse up to shedding. It is a magic horn. It is a fairy of some sort.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it is shedding these horns that people are picking up. And you could do a lot.

Cristina: You will die.

Jack: You're gonna go crazy. But it takes knowing about it.

Cristina: Take something about. Yeah. Because you don't have to have it to go crazy.

Jack: You just need to know about it.

Cristina: Yeah. Like the people who did have it went crazy and died.

Jack: And people were around it.

Cristina: Yes. Still went crazy.

Jack: The school was hidden.

Cristina: They killed each other.

Jack: No. The people who didn't hear about it. No. If the school was just hidden in a public area and nobody knew that, it was just a secretly study the alicorn.

Cristina: But we don't know how many people in that school died.

Jack: Nobody in the school died. That happened later. They keep in mind they left the school to look for more scholars. They were perfectly fine. They built a school and the school was fine because nobody knew that the alicorn was there. Nothing happened to the people around there. Meanwhile, just word that somewhere across this border that stretches away God knows how many miles, somebody has alicorn. People who were further from the alicorn. Then somebody hearing about it at that very moment was from the school. And the people would go crazy immediately go crazy and go try to get it.

Cristina: Yeah, there's something magical happening.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: There's something other side. Like. I don't know.

Jack: It's really weird. Right.

Cristina: So that it is related somehow.

Jack: Right. They seem, or, I don't know, similar but different. They seem opposite. Like, I don't think they're related in that there's any real connection. They're just very similarly used.

Cristina: I don't know. There's so much like fairies. It's so hard not to see them.

Jack: But then adrenochrome has nothing to do with it. Fairies have nothing to do with adrenochrome.

Cristina: I'm pretty sure they do.

Jack: No, fairies don't need adrenochrome. Fairies travel both sides equally.

Cristina: Yes, but aren't they always, like pranking people and stuff? They're always.

Jack: What does that have to do with adrenochrome?

Cristina: Because they're getting something from people.

Jack: Not all fairies. Some fairies are majestic.

Cristina: I don't know. Are there any fairies like that? I don't know. They all seem dangerous.

Jack: There are very dangerous fairies out there. But there are fairies that are just peaceful. But the other thing that is tied to. To those two things are our realm and the shadow realm. There are many other realms and there are Many dimensions, but they don't connect somehow. The way that the shadow realm specifically connects with our realm. They seem equal, but opposite realm.

Cristina: And their realm, the shadow realm, the shadow room. Yeah. Yes, they are the opposite. I don't know. But they're not. Are they the same thing? I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. The tangled in weird ways. They're layered on top of each other.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then universe one and universe three, obviously opposite, equal something there. Now, people who saw tragedies coming and made measures are the Maya, the Egyptians and the Atlanteans. And they all, for whatever reason, took their different things underground, underwater, into space.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now, why the Mayans and Egyptians also did the thing. If we follow the logic that we just established that the Atlanteans became the Atlanteans after they left the Persian Gulf oasis and established a organization to help suppress the existence of the Atlanteans. So how. The story makes perfect sense. But the Mayans and the Egyptians also fled. What was the point?

Cristina: Maybe they wanted them to. Maybe it wasn't fleet of. They weren't fleeting.

Jack: Fleeing.

Cristina: Fleeing. They weren't fleeing the Atlanteans. They owe them so much. Maybe they told them, get out of here. Not in those words, but, you know.

Jack: But why? For what benefit?

Cristina: I don't know why they wanted to keep themselves a secret. Something must have happened that we don't know. There's a missing piece of why they want to be kept a secret. Even though beforehand there was a point where they were sharing everything with everyone. So something happened, or they saw something that was gonna happen, that they were like, nah, we're not gonna be involved anymore. We gotta be hidden. While they were doing the exact opposite beforehand, before Jesus, pre Jesus, they were sharing everything with everyone.

Jack: And you're saying all three of these people had the same. So the Atlanteans told. Okay, everybody. And that explains all the missing.

Cristina: Yes, because they cared about those. Or not care. I don't know.

Jack: All the people around the equator, many of these people just bloop off the face of the Earth.

Cristina: Yes. The most advanced people, in their eyes, not as advanced as them, but like the ones that they personally advanced.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: They were like, you gotta go away. Because they decided we're not gonna do this with the rest of the world. I don't know why. Why they specifically were like, we're gonna share everything with, then decide. Okay, now let's keep ourselves a secret.

Jack: Yeah. We're just gonna hide it now? What?

Cristina: Isn't that strange?

Jack: It is very Weird. They suddenly change your mind.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Then took only the people they advanced.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then fully vanish and leave behind none of the tech.

Cristina: No. Instead have the Church confuse everyone with exactly what happened.

Jack: Yes. Do effectively and almost every country allow some level of interaction, interacting with their. With their everything, essentially because the Catholic Church seems to somehow get away with interacting with everything. So you change the calendars so that everybody can be on the same schedule and the people know the people at top. You know, we Atlanteans are gonna put people in every possible country. You know, we're going to make sure that here's you with crazy tech blend in. You have the knowledge, you're going to put the seeds and together you're all going to evolve and make the thing happen so that us, as the group of Catholics, that we're going to make and take over and we're going to create this elaborate lie.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: But why? When take our homies.

Cristina: Jesus is our enemy. Especially if they take Mary back. It doesn't seem like.

Jack: It doesn't seem like it. It really seems like it was a privacy situation.

Cristina: But why if they weren't private beforehand.

Jack: They were particularly unprivate. They were sharing with everybody.

Cristina: That's what's confusing.

Jack: Like what happened to the Persian Gulf oasis people of the sea that they fled their home. And again, it's weird that if they gave. This is what I was trying to get to before. If they had the child in the Persian Gulf oasis and the. The land is the Holy Land. They left the Holy Land. Unless some quality about them is what led is there. Are their genetics holy or is the land holy? Did they abandon the Holy Land so that it wouldn't happen again and the next prophet had to come from there? Which is why they believe Muhammad Was Muhammad Iranian by some chance? Like, is he being born in that region? Is it always gonna be in the Persian Gulf oasis where the next prophet is bound born? And so they were okay with like, yeah, whoever wants to claim and claim him, we got the h*** out of there.

Cristina: But what I don't understand, did they get attacked? And who would attack them?

Jack: Who would attack them? Yep.

Cristina: Because I feel like that would be the only solution. Why would you hide yourselves if you're the most advanced thing out there and you're helping everyone advance to your level? Do you just realize, oh, there's someone more dangerous here and it's not the Church? Like it would be easy. Yeah, it would be so easy to point at them and say like they're the villain somehow.

Jack: But no, they Seem to just be part of whatever necessity to see people needed.

Cristina: What are they really scared of? Or who. Who are they really scared? It wasn't Jesus. It was someone.

Jack: Something that wanted Jesus.

Cristina: That wanted.

Jack: No, it wasn't even about Jesus. Getting rid of Jesus was somehow about removing attention.

Cristina: Exactly. For them to hide to a different location.

Jack: Yes. They abandoned the place.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now the question is, did they. Is the land the Holy Land?

Cristina: No, I think they. It was more important that they got out of there than anything.

Jack: No, I know that they got out of there. Do they not care? They could not. They could stop caring about the Holy Land.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Is the idea that they're leaving and the genetics that they have is going to create more Jesuses because that's just what they can do. Or is the next Jesus from the Persian Gulf is the land what's holy? Or was it the Atlanteans? Is the next group of people. They're gonna flourish. But then that never happened. But it could be happening now. It took them millions of years to get where they were. So whoever's there now, the current Iranians would be the people who would eventually rise to power. Because whatever about that will give them prosperity or something, Right?

Cristina: I guess. But why did they leave? That's. I don't know.

Jack: Why did they leave and what did they leave behind? Or did they take it?

Cristina: Did they take it? Like, whoa, What? Who was scaring them? Who was scaring them?

Jack: Were they scared?

Cristina: Were they scared? They had to be.

Jack: Maybe it's part of a plan we don't comprehend somehow. Because why would they? Why would they. It can't be fear. You're the most overpowered thing on this planet.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You easily just reshaped the Earth by creating the Catholic Church. Easily. You're. You're almost. In fact, you could have been already Civilization 1. Who knows? Maybe you're already consuming that level of energy.

Cristina: Maybe this is more about the gods than anything. Or the demigods. If we want to say that. If there's two different gods, remember that the whole thing about one God trying to get to Adam and Eve, maybe. Who are hidden in Atlantic.

Jack: You think that it was like the.

Cristina: They're not hiding from people.

Jack: Get rid of Mary, who has Jesus. Get him out. Then we're gonna all move. We have to hide the portal, the entrance, the gateway to the Garden of Eden.

Cristina: Yes. From that demigod or whoever. That other thing.

Jack: Yes. The once Adam and Eve.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Thicker plot.

Cristina: Yes. Maybe.

Jack: It could be. It could definitely be. We're just spitballing Here, man. I got nothing. This seems right so far.

Cristina: It seems right. Like what else are they gonna be afraid of? No one's advanced as they are. But there is a thing that's scarier than they are.

Jack: Which would have to be actual magic. Because we know bare minimum, whatever's on the other side of the shadow realm is not technology.

Cristina: Whatever it is though, wanted them dead. Maybe. I don't know. I don't know. Why would they care about Adam and Eve that much though? But they're hunting them.

Jack: There must be some real importance. So. So our focus should really be why Adam and Eve. That's the question we should be trying to answer.

Cristina: Because they're prototypes to us.

Jack: Maybe there's something valuable there.

Cristina: Yeah, like if you have the prototypes, you can make more.

Jack: But this is the most.

Cristina: And because you can get rid of us. Like weren't we killed off many times? But then. Then we somehow there's more of us anyway. With like Moses and whatever. Is it Moses? The one with the boat?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Who says their kids populated the earth? What if it was Adam and Eve that repopulated the earth after this?

Jack: Every time.

Cristina: Every time.

Jack: That's their purpose. Every time the apocalypse happens. Do it again.

Cristina: Yeah, could be.

Jack: Could be. And this is weird, but I guess it's accurate because this is like the start of like where they are on based born as always from Atlantis. And where the Messiah is born from is also Atlantis. Is that. Is that the idea here? Like they both come from the sea people? I guess the location doesn't matter because they move. Yes, that's. The location is obscure. The sea people.

Cristina: The sea people aren't even important. I think is the Adam and Eve part is the important part.

Jack: But how are they in charge of protecting Adam and Eve? How is that relevant? How do they connect? They're just technology.

Cristina: More children of Adam and Eve. I don't know.

Jack: Could be.

Cristina: Their duty is to protect the people that will create more of us if something horrible happens. If they do see a future where we stop existing because we. Whatever. Apocalypse because we're attacking each other or whatever. The situation with global warming. Whatever you wanted to say is the end of the world reason they have. They have a restart.

Jack: Holy crap. Dude. Yeah. Yeah, that totally makes sense. 100%. That's why it's. It wasn't just them. And what is underneath the Sphinx? A freaking archive, bro. An archive of what? Of the data from Atlantis. The specs for construction and all the data of the Atlanteans. What's beneath the Mayan structures. Another giant cache of information. Interesting. What is it? Archives. Specifically what? The construction details and all of the records from the Atlanteans. And then these three civilizations, the Atlanteans, the Mayans and the Egyptians, all poof into thin air. All disappeared. All go nowhere. Okay, so they left with a bunch of information. And if they contain Adam and Eve, presumably the information to restart humanity is there.

Cristina: And it's just important information to keep.

Jack: It's important information to keep. You gotta make sure it stays safe. Split it up, make copies of it.

Cristina: Keep it. So once whatever happens to us happens to us, and there's no more us.

Jack: Get somebody, they already have somebody off the planet. Bury somebody in the ground and put one in the water. And the people in the ground. It's not just in the ground. It's digital, too.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So there's all the data. All the data replicated over and over, hidden many different places. You're assuring replication is possible?

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: I think so, too.

Cristina: That makes sense. And also, they're hiding from a demigod, or whatever we want to call him.

Jack: Something that's after them.

Cristina: Yes, from the other side. But I think it's because he wants them. And maybe that's why, because he wants people to worship him.

Jack: He wants to start over with himself as the God.

Cristina: Yeah. So he needs those two to repopulate the Earth after. If he could get rid of us. But he's not gonna get rid of us if he doesn't have them, because then there will be no one to worship him.

Jack: That checks out pretty hard.

Cristina: Yeah. As long as they hide him, I guess we're safe from whatever this thing is.

Jack: And the Catholic Church is the one who are helping the most with that.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. How odd. No, this doesn't make sense somehow. And yet somehow it does.

Jack: Somehow makes perfect sense. Which is weird, but we'll have to pack this another time where we've totally run over time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But definitely.

Cristina: Whoa. I think. I think we got something. We're touching something.

Jack: We're touching something. We made hella progress right now because we collected a lot of information. We had more to work with this time to really, like. Why does a bunch of this look the same? I know. The dots are connecting one way or another. Pretty good picture we're building.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay, so, guys, you can contact us as usual on all socials. Just convopod. That's on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, wherever.

Cristina: And remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And be sure to tell people about the show. Word of mouth is extremely important, extremely powerful. Scream it into people's faces. Tell them, hey, it's. It's the Rambling Podcast, bro.

Cristina: Yes, this is the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: That's a problem we have. We. Could we classify the things we don't understand is crazy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just right off the bat, they're crazy. They're strange or weird. What they're doing is not normal, I guess. No, it's not. What they're doing is. Even if it's common, we've, like, divided the words normal and common, although they mean relatively the same things.

Cristina: Do you have examples of something common and normal? Yeah, like that. You would say it's one or the other. You're saying.

Jack: No, I'm saying the words used to be the same thing.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But we've divided the words, so even if something is common, we will still think it's not normal. So, for example, in the past, nerds were common but not normal. Now they're common and normal. Yeah, they were always normal, technically speaking.

Cristina: But the rest of the people didn't want to see them as normal.

Jack: Yeah. And that's strange that we would just opt into dividing those words. Every school had nerds.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Everybody knows a nerd. If you don't know a nerd, it's cause you are the f****** nerd.

Cristina: Okay, say that again.

Jack: If you don't know a nerd, it's because you are the f****** nerd.

Cristina: Yes, I think I'm the nerd. No, I think I know the nerds. Oh, man. It's both situations. I don't know.

Jack: You know nerds, and you are a nerd. Wubba dub a dub dub luba.

Cristina: Good night. Good morning.

Jack: Wubba dubba dub dub. Wubba dubba dub dub luba dub.

Cristina: Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

January 14, 2023

Rambling 209: Reviving The Dead

January 14, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Is the Resurrection of Jesus Christ an event that took place? If Jesus never died, were any sins cleansed? Will we have to be the ones to resurrect Jesus Christ? The duo begins the process of searching for the best way to extract Jesus from cryostasis, but in order to do so, they must deep dive into all the different methods of revival conceived of by man.

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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And look, when we're grounding those ideas, they tend to be really baffling. And so we go into more baffling ideas and it says it's a. What do you call it? A self fulfilling prophecy? No, it's a feedback loop. The feedback loop.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's what happens. But listen to me. Last week we were talking about how different people celebrate death.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: And I was thinking it'd be real interesting if we got on to fixing our big problem. The opposite of death. Revival.

Cristina: Oh, bringing Jesus back.

Jack: Yeah, apparent. Apparently it's up to us to be responsible for the resurrection.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So that's the thing.

Cristina: So waiting for signs to catch up isn't good enough?

Jack: Nope. I mean, what are the odds? The odds that if we go into the future and they're just a bunch of cat people, they're not gonna help us?

Cristina: Yeah. So there's gotta be a better way.

Jack: This has got to be another way. So I figure we would look into a couple of the ways that people and media have discussed coming back from the dead.

Cristina: Do zombies count?

Jack: Zombies. Okay, look, if you're a voodoo zombie, you didn't come back from the dead. You're still dead. If you're a science zombie, you never died. Okay, this is the problem. See? Yes, the issue. Because the. The. The. The. The voodoo zombie is just a puppet. It's an empty shell.

Cristina: Huh? We can't do that to Jesus.

Jack: Well, he wouldn't be Jesus. He would just be an empty puppet. We gotta tell him to do stuff.

Cristina: Aren't we gonna do that anyway?

Jack: No.

Cristina: What's the plan? I don't know why we're bringing him back.

Jack: Powers, I guess. Well, we're really investigating him more than anything.

Cristina: Okay. If he has powers to help us and doesn't want to help us. Voodoo zombie.

Jack: I mean, first, let's pick that apart. If he doesn't want to help us and he has powers, are we facing a. The boys type scenario?

Cristina: We have a groundhog.

Jack: Okay, listen to me. We can potentially. Is what you're saying here like the image is playing in my mind that we take in a. In a rogue Jesus scenario where we bring him back to life and he's like, I'm not helping you. In fact, I am stopping you or whatever happens, we then go ahead and grab Steve the groundhog and immediately fling him at Jesus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Hoping that a combat happens in which the Pokemon. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. In which the. In which Steve the groundhog with his.

Cristina: Communication with the clouds. Like, it's not just Steve the magical groundhog. He's got buddies.

Jack: If it works.

Cristina: If it works.

Jack: What if it doesn't work?

Cristina: What then?

Jack: What? Like what's what? What? What does Steve have on Jesus?

Cristina: Weather.

Jack: Weather.

Cristina: He controls the elements. Except for fire. Lightning counts. So that is fire. Right.

Jack: That's interesting. So his one avatar. Almost. He's almost the avatar because he doesn't control fire. That is true. There's like a gap in his knowledge. So he's not like a groundhog. Could never be the Avatar.

Cristina: Why not?

Jack: Because he doesn't have control of fire and you have to.

Cristina: Well, he has control of the weather and the weather has fire.

Jack: What weather has fire?

Cristina: Lightning.

Jack: Yes, you're right. It's just a form of fire. Fair enough.

Cristina: And aren't there fire clouds? That's not a thing. Fire tornadoes. He can make fire tornadoes also, like.

Jack: What'S wrong with Aang for not doing that?

Cristina: I don't know, because that's probably not natural.

Jack: Just hella op. Is that natural thing fire tornadoes at the Fire Nation?

Cristina: That would be amazing.

Jack: Come on, dude. That's just like. All their boats are screwed.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Making tidal waves. He could do whatever he wants. The Avatar's op. It's real exaggerated.

Cristina: Except he's a peeps will. Dude. Crystal Mark. Yeah.

Jack: Usually the Avatar is a very pacifist. Has to be. That's a lot of power.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And with great power comes great responsibility. According to Uncle Ben.

Cristina: Ben? Well, Ben's not around. What's the hedgehog fight?

Jack: The hedgehog fight the hedgehog.

Cristina: What is the groundhog Groundhog fight.

Jack: So throw Steve at Jesus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's gonna fail real hard.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because Jesus look, this fight's gonna go like. Do you remember that movie where the people were like magicians and then they got like. They were like secretly thieves. And the greatest trick ever was the movie. And then the end is them robbing the bank or whatever. They were explaining the whole thing throughout the movie until the heist gets pulled.

Cristina: Off and like, yes, the cops was chasing them, but it turns out the cop is actually one of the magicians.

Jack: Yes, Mark Ru. Magician of them all.

Cristina: I don't. Okay, what about it?

Jack: Well, that movie where they are doing that, I figure. I figured that that's kind of how it would play out between Steve and Jesus. I feel like they're.

Cristina: He's the greatest magician who.

Jack: Jesus.

Cristina: He's like movie magic. Magic.

Jack: Yeah. He's mind bogglingly magical.

Cristina: Yeah. Nothing too crazy, but just crazy in the. No one can actually do this.

Jack: Okay, fair enough. Look. So Steve, the legit demigod, versus Jesus, the totally human illusionist who's just really clever with his hands.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He's gonna beat this overpowered groundhog.

Cristina: But his illusions are so real.

Jack: Yeah. With his sleight of hand.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He's gonna. With the power of sleight of hand, j defeated the groundhog.

Cristina: Okay, so how are you bringing him back?

Jack: Okay, I don't know, because cryostasis is pretty complicated, and it seems we don't know how to reverse a problem in which the blood vessels themselves freeze and just become icicles.

Cristina: What if we find a vampire? Could that help?

Jack: I'm not sure that would bring them back. I'm pretty sure the vampire still has a circulatory system that functions.

Cristina: Vampires can turn humans into vampires.

Jack: Right, but now what are you gonna do if the blood isn't pumping around this person's veins?

Cristina: We pump it first. We can't do that somehow? Oh, no. That's part of the problem. Okay. Okay. What else?

Jack: Well, we have to figure out what else, ultimately, because cryostasis is so complicated. So undoing the fact now. First we got to try to understand what the h*** cryostasis is and is like the person conscious on the other side. So you've died. The light's gonna go out, but we stop you right. Right before.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Then we throw you in a tank of water, and then we fill it up with some liquid that creates the solution that essentially freezes you. Are you conscious in that time? Are you seeing the outside world?

Cristina: I don't know. You're probably dead.

Jack: Do you feel that? So you're not there the whole time. They have to. Literally, there is a revival actually happening.

Cristina: Like bringing someone back from dead?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Right?

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: Except you never died. They stopped it. That's the point.

Cristina: Yeah, then it's more like being in a dream.

Jack: Look, were you dreaming? Is the point. Because your brain still had to be functional in order to be brought back.

Cristina: I don't know. You probably were. People who wake up from that stuff, remember things.

Jack: But then the question is, do you remember the entire time?

Cristina: No, I doubt it.

Jack: Not the entire time. But you. Is it like the longest dream you've ever had? And there's like a million billion dreams because it's been so long.

Cristina: There's no way you can remember all those dreams, though. You'll just remember a few last dreams, maybe.

Jack: Well, the question is then, what about people in comas? Do people in comas feel that they were in a dream?

Cristina: I bet they do. Because don't people come back from things like that? I don't know about comas, maybe comas, but like, they come back with life, life after death experience, whether it's like heaven, h***, or living as someone else. Those are just dreams.

Jack: Yeah. Okay, fair enough. Those are definitely just dreams. There's no way they really just became another person. That wouldn't make sense.

Cristina: So I don't know. They're not dead dead and sometimes.

Jack: But we don't always know why somebody comes out of a coma, which would be the closest thing we have on a regular basis of bringing somebody out of death, a coma. Because we can sort of, to some degree manage a coma. But we don't always know why a person comes out of a coma or what's holding them in the coma to begin with.

Cristina: Yeah, it's usually something random or I guess we don't know at all. They just wake up.

Jack: They just pop up. They suddenly start recovering or not recovering, but wake up. Just wake up?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why'd they wake up? Who the h*** knows? And it's always random. Like maybe they'll wake up.

Cristina: So are we just gonna hope that Jesus wakes up?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So one of the first things we could try would be to go real old school and we just take him out of the tank and CPR him.

Cristina: What?

Jack: That is the most consistently used, most old school and effective form of revival cpr.

Cristina: But never on someone. Not like in his condition.

Jack: Never on somebody in his condition. But he has brought people back from the dead.

Cristina: How long were they dead for?

Jack: There have been people who've been dead for minutes. And this brings them back because he's been.

Cristina: Wait, I guess it might not have been that long. Because if we got him right at the moment that they hid his body and then we put him in the machine, although it's probably been a week or two. It's been like two weeks now.

Jack: Something like that. Yeah, sure.

Cristina: Yeah. So maybe it's safe.

Jack: Yeah. Because presumably what the liquid of cryostasis is doing is slowing down the process up to almost a. A full stop, the process of death. But it's not fully stopped. So all we have to do is re. Speed it up. Right.

Cristina: You know how to do it?

Jack: Well, we could do. See we just undo him and put cpr.

Cristina: So that's it.

Jack: Undo it and pump his heart, push oxygen in there and start pumping.

Cristina: That sounds very easy.

Jack: Hope it jump starts him.

Cristina: Is there a chance that that will fail? If that fails, does he die?

Jack: I mean, I'm pretty sure in every option, if we fail to revive him, he's dead.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Like, if we try it and it doesn't do anything and we just put him back in the box, will he be okay?

Jack: I don't know if that's how that will work, but we could always try. We could always just throw him back in.

Cristina: Yeah. Just keep retrying with different things.

Jack: Yeah, but we would have to obviously come to a conclusion. To what? A couple of things that we would try first. Okay, I'm just gonna randomly try.

Cristina: Just do everything. Okay. That sounds like a good one, though. Yeah, it doesn't seem like anything could go wrong.

Jack: What, and giving him cpr?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Well, alternatively, way old school, the defibrillator is a way to go. We go get a defibrillator, we pull him out of the tank, and then we just hit him with electricity a couple of times to the chest. Who knows? Maybe think about it. Shocks, warms the body.

Cristina: He's all wet.

Jack: Yeah, it's gonna conduct well.

Cristina: It's gonna kill him. Burn him up. He's gonna be on fire.

Jack: Do you think he'll be on fire? Yeah, it depends if that liquid is flammable or not.

Cristina: What if it's super flammable?

Jack: What if it's not flammable at all?

Cristina: Wait, is it the liquid in his blood?

Jack: No, I don't. I mean, it has to be at this point, right? How long has he been in cryostasis? How is it not three weeks? No, no, no. He's been in cryostasis for 2,000 years.

Cristina: Then we just put him in a time trial. No, we came back from the time travel. Oh, I thought we brought him back.

Jack: No, no, no, no. He's been in cryostasis for 2000 years. We only went back in time to put him in cryostasis. We didn't bring him with us.

Cristina: Yes, I forgot.

Jack: Santa Claus bring him to us as a gift.

Cristina: Duh. Okay, let's not do that. Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay, so anything we do to him is super risky.

Jack: Yeah, everything's gonna have risk. I am thinking that the defibrillator is definitely gonna have a little more of an oomph, and chances are it might work more. It is electricity. We are trying to Bring him out of a sort of frozen imitation state. And it seems like electricity to the heart, to the brain, that can do it. That could be the thing. It would heat again. It would course through the body, heating up random little bits. He's not literally frozen. But it's imitating frozen. Maybe. But then maybe because he's not literally frozen, it's a bad idea.

Cristina: It might be a bad idea. I don't know. We gotta talk to an expert. Ask them. One of those people in that weird website that we saw about. What the. The cryostasis people. Ask them if you could defl.

Jack: They don't know how it works.

Cristina: Oh, so if you ask them if you could do that to one of.

Jack: Them, they don't know how it works? They know because they're waiting on the technology themselves.

Cristina: Like anyone's trying, though.

Jack: Why would they try? The purpose of freezing the person would be defeated. If right now is when you. Because you just kill them.

Cristina: What if someone put that in their will? I want you to leave me frozen for this long and then leave me.

Jack: Regardless of how far technology has gone.

Cristina: Why has no one done that?

Jack: Who knows? Maybe somebody has.

Cristina: That's a crazy.

Jack: Maybe they're like, when the last living member of my bloodline is born, I want to be woken up. Or when the last living member of my bloodline is like 20 years old, I want to meet what they're like. So I want to. That's when you bring me out.

Cristina: Yes. Even if the tech is not ready.

Jack: Yeah. Which doesn't make sense because you just wake up and die.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or not even wake up. You'll just die. You'll just take you out. Boom, flop. Which I'm expecting would happen. Which is why we need to figure out what to do to Jesus right off the bat to resurrect them.

Cristina: Okay, so I'm still not sure about that one.

Jack: The defibrillator.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's a bit aggressive.

Cristina: I feel like we could hurt him.

Jack: But he's gonna be dead if we do nothing. So, like electricity over, no electricity.

Cristina: Okay, maybe.

Jack: I think that works a lot. Alternatively, there's a bunch of magic options that we can use.

Cristina: Those are the only non magic options.

Jack: I mean, there are other science y options that aren't magic, but.

Cristina: No, let's hear about the magic.

Jack: But voodoo is. Again, he's not. He's not alive. Technically, we wouldn't be able to use his magic. We'd be stuck using magic on him, which would defeat the purposes of what we need. But if crap got Bad. And we need, for whatever reason, to.

Cristina: No, that doesn't make sense, Uncle Bernie. Yeah, like, we don't need to do that. What is the purpose of that?

Jack: To fake his aliveness.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Somebody came to visit, and we wanted to pretend he was alive. So that they don't know he's dead. Nah, because they'll think the second crucifixion happened. Or saved again.

Cristina: Why are we gonna confuse people? Let's not do that.

Jack: Okay. Non voodoo, black magic. This is a weird one, because we'd be literally using the forces of evil. We, you know, make some sort of animal sacrifice, gather a couple of things here and there. This is the way to go. This is definitely on the better side of options. Find an animal, cut it open, spill its blood over a thing. You know, the whole ritual thing.

Cristina: But is it, like, supernatural, that you have to, like, give up your soul if you make the deal?

Jack: Well, this is magic. This isn't a deal with a demon.

Cristina: Oh, it's not. It's not gonna lead to a deal with a demon or anything.

Jack: No, no, no.

Cristina: The magic isn't asking for anything.

Jack: No. I mean, it's black magic. Something always goes wrong. But, yeah, probably not predictable like that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But black magic is definitely one of the ways to go.

Cristina: Mm. Because we don't actually have to do the black magic.

Jack: We don't have to do the black magic. We have creatures that know magic or advanced technology, which is this magic. I don't know when it's magic and. Or technology anymore.

Cristina: It sounds like magic.

Jack: It sounds like magic, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What if it's nature tech?

Cristina: Nature tech, who knows?

Jack: Right. But yeah, so we can definitely approach bringing Jesus back from the dead with black magic. A lot of the issues with this one is these black magic tactics always tend to come back to Satan, and it's unlikely that, like, they'll work. Even if they did work in every other instance, why would Satan allow them to work if it was to revive Jesus Christ? So I think the technical issue here relies more on who is for rather than its true effectiveness. And on average, I'm sure that black magic would just be effective.

Cristina: But because it's Jesus, Satan's gonna be like, nah.

Jack: Yeah. And it won't be effective.

Cristina: Why would Satan care?

Jack: Because Satan doesn't want it to be Jesus. Satan doesn't like Jesus.

Cristina: Why? He doesn't know Jesus. You think he knows him? He's not just some dude claiming stuff. You think Satan knows him?

Jack: Satan might know. Look, no. If Jesus is who he says he.

Cristina: Is, then yeah, we shouldn't risk it. Okay, what if he takes his body? Maybe we make a deal like that.

Jack: Give Satan his body.

Cristina: Yes. Still thinking, like, supernatural.

Jack: Yeah. No, this wouldn't work. Look, there's no crossroads demon happening. This is not a crossroads demon scenario. This is just magic. You're gonna put the things together, you're gonna throw some of their hair, you're gonna light their picture on fire. Say a thing, your lights are gonna go out. A demonic voice is gonna say something, and then lights are gonna come back on, and then your dead missing person is gonna be in front of you, and you're gonna be horrified.

Cristina: Mm. Mm. That doesn't sound so bad, minus the.

Jack: Whole dead person's not fronting part.

Cristina: Well, he's not dead.

Jack: And in the case of Jesus, he's already the kind of type of dude who would mess around with these kind of special effects, so.

Cristina: Exactly. So you don't know if it's from him.

Jack: Yeah, so Houdini ness, he likes go out, whatever. Then Poofy's there, and he's like, hey, cool, it worked. You're like, yeah, whatever, dude. It was the end of one of your tricks or whatnot. What? Not sure. Sure, sure.

Cristina: It could be him. Oh, that's interesting.

Jack: Thus making him ultimately the best magician.

Cristina: Can he rob a bank?

Jack: He probably robbed the bank in the time we were doing that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: With his superhuman speed, of course. Okay, but look, we are talking about magic. We got voodoo out of the way. We got black magic. But there is a different type of magic that is also really exaggeratedly strong. And we don't even understand how it works. Saint magic, saints magic. Some saints literally brought people back from the dead with prayer, with it, I guess, with, like, the touch of their hand.

Cristina: Where was their hand touching?

Jack: You know, it was touching. They came in, jumped right back up with a little pip in their stuff. But look, no, it's totally the case. Some of the saints were, in fact, bringing people back from the dead, which brings an interesting point here. In the situation where this is the option that we had to use, we would need to go back in time to go get the guy who can fix the problem that we created by going back in time. So if this was the option we chose in good old time travel fashion, the solution to time travel is time travel.

Cristina: We're stuck in a loop. That's what happens when you use a time machine.

Jack: No, always 100% of the time just.

Cristina: Trapped using the time machine. It's the only solution. No, just be going back and Then coming back and then going back and then coming back.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. We totally were trying to avoid this. And then we didn't use that for years. We didn't touch that machine for years. And then we touched the machine once, and we're right back where it wasn't touched for years. So I see why the previous set of clones stopped.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And we continued the tradition of not.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Until we did.

Cristina: So we did. And now we have to do it again.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because in either direction, we began the problem with time travel. It seems like we could only solve it a lot. Time. With time travel.

Cristina: Oh, no. I was gonna say, are there any saints right now? But we now just wait for them to die before making them saints. Were they saints and a lot like they're alive saints or they weren't actually saints when they're alive.

Jack: They weren't saying something.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But listen to me. Here's what's fascinating about your question. This means that there's people out there who aren't saints who are performing power.

Cristina: Like things right now.

Jack: Go to.

Cristina: I don't know how.

Jack: Yes. Oh, how we're gonna find them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because there are people with powers out there. That part's right.

Cristina: We investigate every church.

Jack: They don't have to be religious. Maybe they're just doing things. There's a bunch of people who'll never become saints because they're doing crooked things with their powers.

Cristina: But those are gonna be hard to find. I feel like it's way easier to just find the people who are more obviously gonna have those people in there that.

Jack: Yeah. The people who want the attention, who want to be saints, are gonna hang out in the places where they're most likely to get that attention.

Cristina: Mm. But I feel like there hasn't been any. I don't know. I don't pay attention.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: It's a problem or anything.

Jack: If we were into the church and things of that nature and heavily paying attention all the time, then we would, like. It would be like, sports would be like, oh, this saint's gonna be drafted or whatever.

Cristina: Well, this pope is gonna be drafted or whatever.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'd be all into it. You know, like, who's team leader this. These next couple of years, or when.

Cristina: I feel like time travel is way easier.

Jack: What? Than finding a saint.

Cristina: Yeah. Someone that's alive right now who's not a saint yet, who's on their way to become a saint.

Jack: But we can always go and get a saint from the past.

Cristina: Exactly. So that's what we should do.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Time travel.

Jack: Time travel seems to always be the solution to solve the problems of time travel.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That is an endless, infinite, always kind of problem. So this is definitely like, a winning possibility. Just go get the guy who literally has the power to bring somebody back from the dead.

Cristina: Yes, yes, yes, yes. It's the only way.

Jack: It's not the only way.

Cristina: It's not. What's the other ways?

Jack: There's probably other ways. We're gonna find that out.

Cristina: You said saints brought people back to life.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Do you know any of their stories?

Jack: There's a couple. I don't know them off the top of my head, but I remember them. Yeah. Oh, I remember. Saints bring. Specifically.

Cristina: I remember.

Jack: I don't know why I was looking this up a long time ago, but I did stumble upon stories of saints and their revival of people. They're bringing people back from the dead. And crazy healing things too. Blindness and whatnot. Exaggerated things.

Cristina: Okay, yeah. But yeah, and Jesus probably brought people back to life.

Jack: Probably. I don't remember. But yeah, sure, why not? He's definitely the type of guy who would do that. Him and his apostles all bringing people back from the dead. So if that's the case, one of them. One of them should be able to bring Jesus back.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Especially if we're like, hey, we're from the future and Jesus needs you.

Cristina: I know who to bring back. Even though he really. He doesn't relate to Jesus at all.

Jack: Who St. Patrick did St. Patrick bring? Why would you bring the one guy to. He's so overpowered. He got Jehovah shaking in his boots.

Cristina: Exactly. Like, he might not have ever revived somebody, but he has the power.

Jack: He's pretty overpowered. Maybe he might be useful against a cat people.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, he can be useful in many ways.

Jack: Yeah. But also, we failed at getting something overpowered like that in the first place. We way under thought that plan. Huge hole.

Cristina: Okay, so it'll somehow be easier to get one of these things. Oh, I guess. If they know who we have. Okay, never mind.

Jack: Yeah, we're like, hey, help Jesus.

Cristina: I mean, why wouldn't St. Patrick help Jesus? That's his Jesus too.

Jack: Yes. Except he's not an apostle.

Cristina: And he must care.

Jack: I mean, I guess you don't have to be an apostle and. No, you're right. He should care. He should care. He hates demons and such.

Cristina: Yeah. So he must love Jesus.

Jack: He must love Jesus. But he's so off the, like, chain. He's so dangerous. He's a wild Card.

Cristina: He's a wild card.

Jack: He is. He does random things. He's a dangerous, dangerous person.

Cristina: Yes, I guess.

Jack: So we get him, okay? We get him and we get Jesus back from the dead. Then how do we control him? We got Jesus back from the dead. Now what?

Cristina: We have Jesus.

Jack: We can't even deal with the freaking cat people. We're going to mess with whatever the h*** St. Patrick is.

Cristina: Okay, then didn't Jesus.

Jack: Yeah, I think definitely dodge overpower.

Cristina: I mean, not Jesus. One of his dudes.

Jack: Yeah, because it's too dangerous. It's too dangerous. Guy who just overpowers Jehovah as a God himself. That's. We're messing with some big potatoes.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, that'd be so cool. Well, okay.

Jack: I mean, the question.

Cristina: Maybe another time, would.

Jack: Would Steve. If we threw Steve at St. Patrick, how would that go?

Cristina: I don't know. St. Patrick would banish him. Like the snakes and the monsters.

Jack: Wouldn't it be an epic battle?

Cristina: No, he'll make him drown. He'll just go back in the water and then Steve would just walk into the water and drown.

Jack: What's up with that? Isn't that what he told all the snakes and stuff? Just leave?

Cristina: I guess. I don't know what he said, but they were so scared of him that they ran into the water and drowned.

Jack: Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, he has some hypnotic ability that makes him real op. Maybe he's not even overpowered. Think how the story goes. He really just told a bunch of crap to leave Ireland and it did, so. And then he went in and told Jesus. I mean, not Jesus. He told Jehovah, hey, let me run the thing. And then Jehovah was like, yeah, cool. He's not actually doing anything other than one really overpowered thing. He has some ability of suggestibility.

Cristina: Oh, crap. He's a magician, too?

Jack: Oh, no, his hypnosis.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: He tells people, hey, do the thing. And they just do the thing. They don't know why.

Cristina: This means these saints aren't reviving people. They're doing magic power.

Jack: Well, they do have powers.

Cristina: Not real power.

Jack: Why? That doesn't mean that he doesn't. Like, St. Patrick doesn't know he's doing it. He thinks he has a power and.

Cristina: Think they have a power.

Jack: But what are they doing that they're bringing people back from the dead?

Cristina: I don't know. They're doing some trick and it's bringing them back. But they might not be dead to begin with. They might just seem dead. They have this trick. It does the job.

Jack: So we go ahead, we find one of these guys, we bring Jesus out of the tank, and this guy does this thing, and Jesus just stays dead. Cause he's actually dead.

Cristina: So we probably might not do that. I don't know.

Jack: But Jesus isn't actually dead. That's why he's in cryostasis.

Cristina: But can their magic. No, he's just. What's happening to him is too advanced to the stuff that they're used to dealing with.

Jack: They're dealing with magic. It's so different. No, if it is magic.

Cristina: If it is magic. Are you risking it?

Jack: He's dying anyways. We're trying to pick what we're gonna do.

Cristina: Exactly. So we should find the best solution. Yeah.

Jack: Now we're going through them.

Cristina: Okay. I'm just saying this one may not be it.

Jack: Oh, why? I think this is definitely a way more likely candidate. This and probably the defibrillator. I feel like electricity is a way to go. That's a strong, strong candidate.

Cristina: I don't know. I feel like we're just going to kill him.

Jack: He's dying either way. The only outcome where he doesn't die is if this works.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He said regardless of not.

Cristina: Mm. Mm.

Jack: So next thing that we could try would be to actually let him die.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because then we go ahead and we buy a Ouija board and we tell him that he needs to go and become a detective. And that that way he can find his body and come back to life.

Cristina: I don't understand.

Jack: We're gonna make him become a spirit detective.

Cristina: What is a spirit detective?

Jack: Spirit detective is a person who is a detective for the spirit world.

Cristina: I don't understand what you're talking about.

Jack: Yeah, there's demons and stuff that get loose from the spirit world, and you gotta catch them and take them back to the spirit world.

Cristina: Is this a cartoon?

Jack: Yes. Based on the Yu Hakusho.

Cristina: Okay. That's okay. You have to be a spirit first.

Jack: Yes. You become a spirit, and then you have to earn your body back. So we put Jesus, who is way into challenges.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we tell him with a. An Ouija board. Yo, become. Go to this spirit precinct and talk to the spirit cop office. The detective. Spirit mode.

Cristina: This sounds very risky.

Jack: And then he's gonna go into the spirit, you know, police station.

Cristina: What if he's not interested in coming back? What if he's cool with the spare world?

Jack: Well, he this. Then it would fail.

Cristina: Regardless of what we're doing. If he wants to die.

Jack: Yeah, if he wants to be dead.

Cristina: Huh? Huh? Huh? Crap. What do we do to stop? What if we put mittens on his hands?

Jack: For what?

Cristina: I don't know. So he won't kill himself.

Jack: Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. This is the. The assumption here is we bring Jesus back to life, he realizes he came to life, and then he just immediately tries to commit suicide because he believes or not he believes. He's like, I should have died.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I want to be dead.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I said all that stuff so they would kill me.

Cristina: He was prepared to die. We took him, took that moment from him. Yeah, he's miserable. What if he's like data? He's like, this isn't real. I just need death.

Jack: Well, plot. Tw. Is the world godless now? Because we stole Jesus and he didn't actually die, and so no sins were.

Cristina: Cleansed, I think because we snatched him. He's in heaven.

Jack: No, we snatched Jesus, who dies for the sins.

Cristina: Oh, he never actually died for the sins.

Jack: He never actually died for the sins.

Cristina: Well, the first time, he never actually died for the sins. I mean, he died for a second, but does that really count?

Jack: Yeah, it was kind of cheating, wasn't it?

Cristina: Yeah, like, he was kind of cheating.

Jack: Died for your sins. And it's like, well, he didn't stay dead for your sins.

Cristina: I couldn't stay dead. It doesn't matter. He could. He slept for our sins.

Jack: I mean, yeah, it's like death to him totally didn't matter. And he totally was a spirit, bro. Which means this could have worked. Maybe he was fading in and out of random moments, and people saw him here and there. But we could have directly communicated with him because he was already trying to communicate from the other side.

Cristina: When was that?

Jack: All the times they saw him after he died. But we then changed history by actually putting him in the thing. So he didn't show up anywhere as a spirit because he never died.

Cristina: But there's still stories like that, so that has nothing to do with anything.

Jack: Well, they think he died.

Cristina: Exactly. So they always thought he died, like it doesn't matter when.

Jack: Those stories so happened. Interesting. But he never actually visited any of them. Fascinating.

Cristina: Time travel.

Jack: Well, we solved that. There's a lot of weird things happening. Like that time that those guys were in the furnace and Jesus popped up. Like, what's that? He was in cryostasis.

Cristina: Was he? That was the story after he was dead, I guess, because I thought he was alive somewhere. I have no idea where that story takes place.

Jack: That's not after he died.

Cristina: I don't know how long the story.

Jack: Goes after his death or before he was born. This is also weird. Stories like that. Yeah, like, hold Jesus and then, like before he's even born, showing up.

Cristina: I have no idea. The timeline is weird.

Jack: Yeah. It's unclear what's happening with Jesus, but, yeah, he can go through those trials and tribulations and become a spirit detective, which is right up his alley. Get vanquish evil or.

Cristina: What does he have to, like, fight and stuff?

Jack: Yeah. And he's a pacifist.

Cristina: Yeah. That doesn't make sense.

Jack: He hangs out with murders. I doubt he's really a pacifist. I'm sure that's just.

Cristina: But he has them fighting for him. He's like the boss, dude. The ash. No, like the mob boss. I don't know. He gets his bodyguards or whoever, apostles.

Jack: To do his dirty bidding.

Cristina: Yeah, they're the ones that murder and kill for him. He doesn't have to get his hands dirty.

Jack: Hey, Peter. Go get him. Go get him, Peter. Yeah, boss. Hey, I get him, boss.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Jesus. I got him. Balls, Bob. Jesus.

Cristina: I doubt they sound like. I don't even know what that's supposed to sound.

Jack: Neither do I. But look, if he did become a spirit detective and then he did reclaim his body. We have his body.

Cristina: How long is this process?

Jack: It could take a while. And then they're gonna give him a little egg and he has to rehatch his soul or something. I don't know. I don't remember exactly the details of it. He has to raise it, and then it's gonna be a real spirit animal. India, in the human world, he's gonna have a spirit animal. If we do this, Jesus gets a spirit buddy, but a pet.

Cristina: He has to be in the animal.

Jack: No.

Cristina: What does that animal have to do with anything?

Jack: If the animal dies, he dies. So we'll always hold that over his head. We'll trap the animal in a cage and we'll tell him that he has to stay with us or kill the animal.

Cristina: That's the dumbest thing ever.

Jack: And because he's Jesus, he doesn't want the animal to die.

Cristina: What?

Jack: It also would kill him. Even if he wants to die, he doesn't. He's still Jesus. So we got him. He's alive against his will because that means that animal dies. Now he must live at all. This is a really good one, actually, Because Jesus told himself on earth, die. So we go ahead and we put him to being a spirit detective, and then he becomes human after he gets his little spirit why would he want.

Cristina: To do any of that?

Jack: And he hatches it, and he has a spirit egg that.

Cristina: What if he doesn't want to do any of that?

Jack: If he doesn't want to do it, we'll figure something else out. But if he did want to do it, we would get him. As soon as he hatches this egg, however many months, years down the line, we trap the animal. We trap it.

Cristina: How would we see it if it's a spirit animal?

Jack: No, we can. It's. It looks physical to us.

Cristina: How do you know?

Jack: I've seen all of this before. And then we catch it.

Cristina: Weren't they dead and they came back to life? So that would mean they would see it. Like.

Jack: Everybody sees it.

Cristina: You're positive?

Jack: Yes. It's like a weird alien creature. But look, now we have it. And they forever. Jesus has to listen to us because now this animal will be hurt. And he doesn't want that. And that is a huge trump card. This is a double whammy. He gets his body back, and we get a way to put a check on him if he does turn out to be overpowered.

Cristina: Unless he doesn't care.

Jack: Unless he doesn't care. But if he did care. Boom.

Cristina: Kabla, kablam, kablam.

Jack: If he does want to do it in order to get his body back, because I doubt he just wants to be dead, then we got him.

Cristina: And if he just wants to be.

Jack: Dead, then we'll figure something else out.

Cristina: That's very tricky. Okay.

Jack: And why would he just want to be dead?

Cristina: Because what if he just wanted to be dead back then?

Jack: If that was the case? But I highly doubt he was just a suicidal emoji.

Cristina: There's so many.

Jack: There are, but I doubt he was one of them.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: He was a ringleader. What kind of ringleaders? A suicidal emo. He's probably some jock douche wad at most.

Cristina: No, he's surrounded by them.

Jack: Probably be so easy to trick into doing this. He's like, bro, you could totally be a cop. Whoa, Goose cop. I'm super on board.

Cristina: Maybe.

Jack: You know, he'll totally be down. He doesn't care. He was down with whoever. That's the most hippie crap ever, dude. He's down for anything. He was like, that guy is a total.

Cristina: He was down to die.

Jack: Yes. But now, because we know he was even down to die. So in this case, we'll be like, hey, you're down to do this? And he'll be like, yeah, whatever. But then his rules are we don't hurt anybody. And that's when the animal comes in. It will be his fault directly if the animal gets hurt, and he doesn't want that. So we forever hold him immortal and with us. And we can hold that bird. And if he tries to do anything with. Against us, we kill the bird anyways. Killing him. Turning Jesus into our weapon. We're gonna turn Jesus into our weapon.

Cristina: Are you sure they give him a bird?

Jack: Yes, it comes from a spirit egg or something.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it hatches into a little blue furball thing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, it looks like Furby. Oh, it's hideous. It's horrible.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But, yeah, it evolves and it's part of who you are.

Cristina: All right. That's an interesting plan.

Jack: It's definitely a way to go. Another way we could go is what you were mentioning a crossroads demon.

Cristina: Yes. Really?

Jack: That is. But again, this is a hard one because it's right up there with, like, using black magic in the case of a crossroads demon. Is he just going to deliver the soul of Christ back to the body of Christ in exchange for my soul 10 years from now?

Cristina: Well, we wouldn't sacrifice our souls when.

Jack: It comes to crossroad demons. Yeah.

Cristina: Why can't we just get someone else to do it and sacrifice their soul?

Jack: Oh, we could do that.

Cristina: You've got workers.

Jack: But, like, yes, 100% and they're down. So we'll just use one of them, one of the subhuman.

Cristina: So what could go wrong?

Jack: Well, the question here is we do this, we get the person, they do it. Would the demon bring the soul of Jesus back to the body of Jesus?

Cristina: Yeah. No. I don't know.

Jack: Why would he. Woody, why would a demon bring the soul of Jesus back to the body of Jesus?

Cristina: Maybe he'll do it for a certain amount of souls. Maybe he has a system like, oh, if you give me 10, it has.

Jack: To be worth the soul of Jesus. That's. That's the. The lopsided way here.

Cristina: Yes. He could have Jesus soul after Jesus dies.

Jack: So we're not even. Fair enough. He's bringing the soul of Jesus back, but temporarily, like, you get to keep the soul of Jesus, too, after he dies. Interesting.

Cristina: Does that work? I mean, that doesn't work for Jesus.

Jack: But he doesn't even know in, like, whatever. He was already apparently in h***.

Cristina: He was in h***.

Jack: That's how the demons got him out. Oh, when he dies after we pull him out of the thing.

Cristina: Oh, wait.

Jack: The problem is, when we take him out of stasis, he dies immediately.

Cristina: Ah. Okay. And that's why the demons.

Jack: We don't know how to undo stasis. We're just trying a bunch of other s***, huh? But it would work, right? His body's fresh.

Cristina: Yes. Okay, so we have to assume that Jesus soul is going to h***.

Jack: Yeah, we have to assume Jesus is going to h*** first for this plan to work.

Cristina: Or this demon would sneak into heaven just to get Jesus. So that's crazy.

Jack: Yeah, fair enough. Even if it's a whole entire espionage mission to us, it feels instant.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In their abstract, outside of time, they could do a whole invasion, get the soul of Jesus from heaven, bring it. But, like, why would they do all that for my measly waxhole? And if they could do that, why haven't they already just done that?

Cristina: Okay, well, because it's in him right now.

Jack: Yeah, fair enough.

Cristina: It has to go somewhere else and then they can get it.

Jack: I don't think that. I don't think they're gonna risk it. I don't think they're gonna do. And they're just gonna keep the soul of Jesus down there? They're not gonna help. It's too valuable.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: It's too risky. What kind of a stupid demon would. Would you leave that guy doing that job if you got the soul of Jesus Christ somehow, and then you come in like, hey, where is it Bob? And Bob's like, well, this other guy was like, hey, I know I'm like a nobody, but I'll give you my soul if you bring Jesus and you can keep Jesus afterwards. And then it's like, well, that. No, I'm a nobody to begin with. So they're just like, why would you do that? For this, like, worthless other soul.

Cristina: That's where that guy get Jesus soul.

Jack: Yeah, but, like, what if Jesus figures out how to undo it? Ah, he's a slippery one, that Jesus.

Cristina: Okay, that's possible.

Jack: He's a slippery one, that Jesus.

Cristina: Last thing you want a good idea.

Jack: It does. It does. Okay, so we don't do the crossroads because it doesn't work out, or demons don't want to help, or it's too hard to get Jesus out of heaven because he didn't actually go to h***. Fine. What if we did alchemy and opened the gate?

Cristina: How would that help?

Jack: Well, then we go ahead and we pull Jesus out of the gate back into his body.

Cristina: Will that be that same Jesus? Wouldn't that be a different Jesus?

Jack: Well, we're gonna look for that same Jesus. We gotta go to the other side.

Cristina: To wherever it would be a Jesus without magic.

Jack: We're gonna bring him back to the place where magic happens. That's the point.

Cristina: And he'd be able to use the magic?

Jack: Yeah, he's from over there. Look, Edward lost his ability to use magic. But if you were to bring him back, he'd use magic. It's because over there is where magic is impossible, okay? It's the location, not the individual. Jesus would still be able to do magic on this side.

Cristina: Except there is no magic here. We are the other side. We just haven't figured out what is really going on. Because there is no magic.

Jack: It's all technology. Yeah, it's always technology.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Including black magic.

Cristina: Yes. So we haven't really figured. It's just a bunch of question marks.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. For real.

Cristina: So, I don't know. That plan doesn't sound bad. But don't we have to sacrifice something in that plan, too?

Jack: No, we'll get a Philosopher's Stone.

Cristina: Don't we have to sacrifice things to get the Philosopher's Stone?

Jack: We'll find an already made Philosopher's Stone.

Cristina: Where?

Jack: Don't know. We could find things. So we're good at finding things. We found a plethora of things.

Cristina: You think we'll find that?

Jack: I mean, we should be able to, shouldn't we?

Cristina: How?

Jack: That's the one thing we wouldn't find of all the things. Come on.

Cristina: Because that's complicated.

Jack: How?

Cristina: Like, isn't that made through many souls or something?

Jack: Right. Why would that mean that there isn't one to track down?

Cristina: Where would he even start?

Jack: I don't know. We found so many things. Where is this doubt coming from?

Cristina: Because this is a thing. And usually we find living things, not objects.

Jack: We will apply the logic we use to find living things to this one object.

Cristina: Because we're not object Hunters, but this.

Jack: Object will allow us to hunt a living thing back to life.

Cristina: It seems tricky, unless you have an idea where we would start looking for it.

Jack: Well, no, the idea would be that we know. We get the gist of how it works. We wouldn't just, hey, we're gonna go right now and find it. This is where it has to be this very moment. Obviously, an investigation would be run. We would figure out where it's most probably at, where we could find one of these. Then we would go retrieve it. I don't know off the top of my head, where it's like, hey, here's a map. This is where it is. I'd have it by now if that Were the case.

Cristina: But, like, do. Are we in a rush? Is Jesus about to die?

Jack: If we know Jesus only dies once we bring him out of the cryostasis.

Cristina: Okay, so he'll just stay there forever? Yeah.

Jack: He's already been there 2,000 years.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He'll wait. He'll be fine.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The moment we take him out, we need to apply one of these things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In order to bring him out.

Cristina: I don't. Okay, that makes sense.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Do something. We don't have to do it quick. Okay.

Jack: No, there's no rush. But definitely pulling a soul from the other side of the gate. One way to go.

Cristina: A very odd way to go. I don't know how that's gonna work.

Jack: Okay, what do you mean?

Cristina: Because that's not from here. That's over there when he dies. The gate. Like, how do we get to the gate?

Jack: We're gonna do alchemy to open it.

Cristina: But we can't do alchemy here. Or at least not the same way.

Jack: We don't know that. We don't know that. We're gonna figure out if we can.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Have you tried alchemy to figure it out?

Cristina: No.

Jack: Then what are you making these assumptions based on? We'll find out.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: We'll find out. Find out. Many options. Now, obviously, the time travel option itself of, you know, use. Use time, go forward or back and solve it somehow. We go forward. Hopefully the technology's there. We go back, we find somebody who can solve the problem. But that might also be bullcrap if it turns out that they were all bullshitting to begin with.

Cristina: Oh, yes, man, that might be a good one.

Jack: Yeah. There is a cheat sheet. We could. By the way, another way the time travel could work out is if we go back in time to the moment we were gonna go back in time and tell ourselves it doesn't work out, or go back in time to where we landed to get Jesus in the first place. And then we tell him not to do it because it's not gonna work out either way. We can cut ourselves off at one point or another and stop this from ever happening.

Cristina: Let's not do that.

Jack: But different thing that we could do is we could just go into a universe that has Jesus not in cryostasis, and then go back in time in that universe and s***** up Jesus and bring that Jesus forward, Thus having two Jesuses, the cryostasis Jesus and the non cryostasis Jesus.

Cristina: We get the non cryostasis Jesus to bring back.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Why do we need two little. What do we Do.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. But Jesus would be like, whoa, dude. And then he would bring himself back from the dead after we un. Cryostasis him and he dies, then he dies. Well, he's gonna die immediately after he's out of cryostasis. We just need somebody to bring him back to life somehow.

Cristina: And then Jesus is gonna do that.

Jack: Jesus will then bring Jesus back to.

Cristina: Life, and then he'll hopefully help us.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Which one?

Jack: Either or. We have two Jesus now. Jesus times two. In this case. Yeah. In this case, we end up with Jesus times two.

Cristina: Okay. That's the best plan I've ever heard.

Jack: This is pretty solid way to take this.

Cristina: That's going into a different world. Not world, universe.

Jack: We have to travel into a different universe to pull this one off.

Cristina: And do we have the technology?

Jack: Hopefully. I mean, we have the technology, and there's that giant rip in your backyard that takes us to universe three.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So, like, we could definitely get there.

Cristina: From what we know about over there, I think Jesus is dead.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: From what we've seen on the Internet and stuff.

Jack: Oh, everything. No, everything is theoretical. That's why nothing is real.

Cristina: Oh. Nothing is. Oh, he may or may not be.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes, yes. He may or may not be dead or may or may not even have even existed, so.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, we could still investigate.

Jack: Yes. But also because nothing is a sure thing. There might just be. No. There might just be no Jesus over there because nothing is real over there. Everything is a lie. Everything is made up. Everything is a conspiracy theory.

Cristina: But he'd also be walking among them without them knowing.

Jack: That's fair.

Cristina: So I don't know how he'd find him, though.

Jack: Well, here's a different one. We could gather all the Dragon Balls. Again, we're good at finding things.

Cristina: You think you'll find Dragon Balls?

Jack: If we're gonna. If any of these other options are gonna work, it's as plausible that we would find the Dragon Balls, get the Dragon Balls together, summon Shenron, and then get Shenron to bring Jesus back. And Shenron has no stake in it, so he will just bring Jesus back.

Cristina: How? How would we even look for the first Dragon Ball?

Jack: We're gonna find people who have already found some Dragon Balls, and then use their methods of fighting the Dragon Balls. It's just a matter of figuring out what clues tell us that somebody has Dragon Balls and then slowly stalking those people.

Cristina: What?

Jack: I got this all planned out. We're gonna figure it out.

Cristina: Okay, so we're gonna be spying on people who may have the Dragon Balls.

Jack: Yes. Anybody who's found more than one is looking for them. They spread out evenly throughout the world. Anybody who has more than one is looking for them.

Cristina: Yes. And they're going to be obvious.

Jack: We're going to figure it out. We have the ability to surveil everyone. Okay, what so we can surveil. We're going to. One of these is going to work. And when we know for sure, we know for sure which of these is the one that's going to be the best.

Cristina: And the Dragon Balls are on Earth.

Jack: The Dragon Balls are on Earth. One set of the Dragon Balls are in Earth. There's a different set that is spread out throughout the galaxy.

Cristina: Okay, and how many balls are there?

Jack: Seven.

Cristina: Seven. Okay, that doesn't sound so bad.

Jack: No. And if somebody has more than one, that means they know how to get some.

Cristina: And why would they want to help us?

Jack: They're not gonna help us. We're just gonna follow them until they get all the Dragon Balls and then we're gonna s***** them.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Like we're Team Rocket.

Jack: Good old Team Rocket plan. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Anyways, so look, this is definitely helpful. We. We have some plans, we have some ways of action to deal with Jesus. We're going to investigate these ways. We'll look into them, see which ones are the most effective, potentially which ones might pan out. Well, potentially.

Cristina: Love it.

Jack: And we're gonna try to bring Jesus Christ back from this cryostasis we put.

Cristina: Him in, hopefully with another Jesus.

Jack: Yeah, that would be great.

Cristina: Or we might have a groundhog fight.

Jack: That would be great too, if we could just throw Steve Adam and they have an epic battle.

Cristina: Two Jesus versus Steve.

Jack: Two Jesus versus Steve. Well, look, this is a topic we have never discussed before, although many of the topics in here have been discussed before, which means that there are episodes that could be found with similar topics in some of these. When it comes to time travel, parallel universe. When it comes to. There's a whole episode, there's several episodes about death, questions about death theory and the afterlife. The afterlife. All of that stuff. So much stuff going on. You guys can find all of that stuff. You can find us on social media as well Twitter and Instagram and on Facebook at just combo pod.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe and review the show.

Jack: Yes. Leave us ratings and let someone who.

Cristina: Might like this show know about it.

Jack: Because word of mouth is the most important breakfast of the morning. You should have several breakfasts in the morning. 12 to 13. Recommended by Most doctors.

Cristina: That's crazy. That's crazy.

Jack: You're supposed to feel full.

Cristina: No, this has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. But yeah, that's f***** up. People started to record and so many fakers were outed because of proof with proof. Actual interactions of imma. Say, I did this if you don't do what I want.

Cristina: Is it a good thing or a bad thing that we're just recording everything? Like, it seems to be helpful, but also we're. We don't like being spied on.

Jack: Look, it saved the guys that were innocent. And it's continuously happening. On the flip side, it looks to the women who are actually being victimized like it's dying again. Yeah, the movement is dissipating and it's entirely the fault of the women who are lying, who are getting caught lying. If you're gonna f****** lie about it, sell it so that the women who are truly innocent and getting raped can get their voice out. But you're so garbage at lying and you don't care about your gender. The f*** at all, definitely that you're just screwing over people actually getting raped because you wanted some money or attention or some bullshit.

Cristina: Probably attention. I don't know.

Jack: Ridiculous. Super ridiculous.

Cristina: Yes. But the camera thing. Weird.

Jack: No, it helped George Floyd's case, I guess. Although we had video before and nothing was happening. It doesn't really. I don't know.

Cristina: When does it change things?

Jack: Change things at George. I don't know.

Cristina: It's random.

Jack: It's random.

December 31, 2022

Rambling 207: New Years Eve Worldometer

December 31, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

How’d catching Santa go? What has happened in 2022? Does the future have the technology to reverse cryostasis? The duo discuss the outcome of their attempt at catching Santa and look through the worldometer.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Failed at catching Santa
The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo
A Briefcase in Pulp Fiction
Cat people in the future
Jesus Christ Time Machine
Worldometers.info

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we've got humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I am Jack.

Cristina: And I am Christina.

Jack: And we're your glorious hosts. And we're gonna host a lovely show for tonight. Earned this after. I love when people say that. We got a great show for you tonight. It's like, we got it. We gotta show. Whether it's great or not is up to you to decide. I'm not choosing if it's great or.

Cristina: Not for you, and you're not choosing whether it's night or not.

Jack: I'm not choosing what time of day you decided to consume this, bro. But like, I guess in the past, people used to control that part of our lives. Yeah, it's like, if you want to watch my f****** show, you tune in whenever the. I said you.

Cristina: Except you don't choose that either. The person saying that isn't choosing the time his show is on.

Jack: No, he's just like, I got the best offer by the station. Yeah, I'm gonna take it. No way. There's no way. So today is an amazing day because today we are. You know what we're doing today?

Cristina: Talking about what happened on Christmas.

Jack: Yes. But what is today?

Cristina: New Year's? Is it New Year's Eve?

Jack: New Year's Eve. Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.

Cristina: What?

Jack: So we got some exciting stuff to talk about. But before we get to that exciting stuff, we got math, by the way. It's very exciting.

Cristina: We have math. That does not sound exciting.

Jack: Numbers. Everybody loves numbers.

Cristina: Love it.

Jack: But before we get to this exciting numbers, we do have to talk about what happened with our plan to catch Santa Claus clause. So let's recap the extent of everything we decided this Christmas. What we wanted for Christmas was Santa Claus. So we'll know. Listen to me.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Is Santa Claus. So we decide we're gonna wish, like, he's a genie for a present, which is Jesus cryogenically frozen Jesus Christ, which isn't a thing, but okay. It's okay. We have time. We send Santa the letter. We then dust off our time machine and we go to the past and we wait for the crucifixion. When he's crucified, we take him off the cross and we cryogenically put him in stasis and leave him where he was already going to be. Then we close the cave. Santa then finds Jesus and brings him. He finds him in the present, because we asked for the present. And then he brings Jesus cryogenically in stasis to us. And with this, we have now brought both Jesus, which we could have kept before, and Santa to us. Except the biggest hole of all in this plan is that everything in the present. Santa Claus knows, because that's like his big overpowered trick.

Cristina: He knew we were being naughty.

Jack: He knew we made this plan because duh. And he knows we went to the past and he saw us do everything with Jesus. Then he saw us disappear and reappear. Now he has perfect memory of that entire time having happened. And then he sees us make the wish. So from. For him, he. He remembers all of this already. He's like, oh, yeah, those people who put him in the thing. You can wish for him.

Cristina: We can actually do that part at least.

Jack: What? Bring him?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yes. We have Jesus.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We have no Santa.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: We have no Santa. There's no way to catch him, because he knew. He knew all along, of course.

Cristina: His parents were good enough for him to bring Jesus to us, but not good enough for him to stick around.

Jack: We're good to the world. We are important to the world.

Cristina: But then why didn't he want to stay around so we can catch him?

Jack: He doesn't want to be caught.

Cristina: Well, maybe not catch. He could have had a conversation.

Jack: Look, this show is so easy for him to just, like, sidestep that he sees us the way he sees everybody else. He's just measuring us by those same metrics, I suppose.

Cristina: But he still gave us Jesus.

Jack: Yes. He's not saying we're bad. Why? Because you're trying to catch him? It's not bad.

Cristina: It's not good.

Jack: That's neutral. It's not gonna, like, tip anything in any direction.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: He thinks giving us Jesus was a good idea.

Jack: I don't think.

Cristina: He doesn't care.

Jack: Why would he care? It's just wasted time, you know?

Cristina: Well, whatever.

Jack: We got Jesus, we have Jesus. That's great. We can at least study him. That's fascinating, except that we got to.

Cristina: Travel to the future to get him and frozen.

Jack: Yeah, we. We still successfully put him in cryostasis and have not.

Cristina: He has to stay there.

Jack: Yeah, so we don't really have Jesus. We. We have him, but there's nothing we could do do without the potential of killing him in the process.

Cristina: Yep. So we gotta do something about that. We're not done.

Jack: We're not done. We created a problem that we need to solve, and we don't have the Result of why we created the problem.

Cristina: But then, like, okay, now I'm not really sure what to do with Jesus, because in the future, we know cat people have taken over, so even if they have the technology to unfreeze Jesus, why would they do that?

Jack: I totally brought this up before.

Cristina: You did.

Jack: I did. I totally did. I'm like, why would they help us?

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: What, did they catch us?

Cristina: What if they cut? Exactly. Oh, crap.

Jack: But, like, also, I had a plan.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We don't actually know if the future is still the same.

Cristina: But what do we do if it is?

Jack: Come back, scoop out the place, obviously.

Cristina: Yeah, but like, then we just have.

Jack: I mean, you and I haven't used the time machine other than for Jesus.

Jack: And we haven't gone forward other than to now from where we went back to.

Cristina: Yeah, so. But if we go to the future, I mean, I guess then we'd have to wait until we solve the cat thing to take Jesus to the future anyway.

Jack: What if we find out that we don't solve the cat thing?

Cristina: I don't know. We just keep Jesus the way he has. He's just a trophy.

Jack: And then never go to the future.

Cristina: No, we still go to the future to see. But if it's not.

Jack: If it's overtaken by cat people.

Cristina: Yeah, we do nothing. We can't do anything.

Jack: Except we can't be seen there either.

Cristina: Yeah, we're not going ourselves. We have people for that.

Jack: You're right. But they can't come back and report anything if they get caught. Still look human.

Cristina: We give it a time. Like, okay, if you're not back in an hour, we know you've been captured. Then we give them those pills that they fight into and kill themselves. Also.

Jack: This is crazy. No, because with a time machine, until we could choose when you come back to any time travel that doesn't feel instant to the waiting party is f****** bullshit. Right? That's a lie. It's stupid. It's like I'm a. I'm a. I have a time machine, right? I have a time machine and I'm gonna go back in time 10 days. But is it just I got to choose the amount of time in some dial that I just increase or reduce. I can't type in days. And if I did type in days at exactly 24, I can never break a day in half. No, I should be able to choose any time. You know how far back based on our own metrics. We design the metrics so time machine should be able to navigate backwards in time. Evenly. So I tell it I want to go back, you know, three days and I go back and from back there I decide, okay, I'm gonna go forward. When you can go forward. Are you? No. Because you chose time going backwards. So you should in theory be able to choose time going forward. It's not just a unanimous. I had to only put days. So I moved exactly 48 hours backwards or 72 hours backwards.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So I have to move. It only moves in these increments. So I have to move seven days. So if I took three days over here, then when I go over here, it's been three days. No, that doesn't make any sense. I should be able to pick the moment.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why wouldn't I just pick the moment I left like a second later?

Cristina: Yeah. It should be like, that's how we know something went wrong. If they disappear and that's it.

Jack: No, I know, it's 100%. If they don't show up instantly, we know something. My question is, in every thing all media ever created about time travel, why are people waiting for the person that left?

Cristina: Because the person doesn't know the exact time to return. I don't know. The person decides to be dramatic and like, I want to return five minutes.

Jack: After the moment, but it'll be like days or some s***, a couple of hours or something. And it's like, what, dude?

Cristina: Maybe they got the map wrong. Maybe there's some math involved to do it correct and they just got it wrong. Days, that's crazy. If it's like a few minutes, it's like on purpose. I think that's on purpose. You're just being mean.

Jack: If it's day, if it's minutes.

Cristina: Yeah. You're just like, I want them to believe I'm dead. I'm not dead. Hahaha. No.

Jack: Yeah. Because if they're not instantly back, you're like, what the f***?

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. In the time machine, I think it was like that though. Whenever he went back, it was instant and he would just go tell everyone, this is what I did. Hahaha. And look at my. Listen to my adventures and whatever.

Jack: But there's no way they could believe.

Cristina: Him until he never comes back. I don't think he goes back.

Jack: No. He just gets lost forever.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. So eventually they just. That's it, that's the end of his story. I guess for them they have to believe him. Or I guess they could have think he killed himself. He went crazy after his wife died and killed himself.

Jack: To be fair, he did go crazy. After his wife died. That is essentially what the story is about.

Cristina: Yes. And that's what they must believe. What else would you believe? Unless you believe his stories of the time traveling.

Jack: Which way? Crazy.

Cristina: Yes. You know, they have the machine. It seems like, I guess it's too complicated for anyone to work it out. Like it just looks like trash to them. And they're like, yeah, he totally just killed him. So this is garbage. What is this thing? Because they have the time machine right there. Like if they were curious enough. Yeah, you think? Doesn't he have an assistant? Why didn't he learn how to use it?

Jack: Interesting point.

Cristina: Maybe he did kill himself. Okay, the time machine is a lie. It's just trashing himself. It was art.

Jack: There's an assistant who just doesn't know anything. Suddenly the assistant killed him.

Cristina: The assistant killed him? Yes. He saw he was going crazy and felt bad.

Jack: And maybe he felt in danger. Maybe he was next in line to have all the stuff because he, you know.

Cristina: Yeah, but if he believes him, why, like, why wouldn't he use it? He should have also. He should have been the next person to disappear.

Jack: I bet that's the thing. I bet the time machine creator's apprentice is a story.

Cristina: Oh, maybe I'm not gonna look it.

Jack: Up, but yeah, who gives a s***? It's totally a thing.

Cristina: It's not important.

Jack: Yeah, and if not, somebody better make that thing. The Time Machine Inventor's Apprentice. There's so many things. The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo.

Cristina: How is that anything?

Jack: Blob at the top of the hill. Like all these dumb names, very long title descriptions. Yeah, it's like totally a description for the most part. Like a weird almost.

Cristina: How do you know this main character is important? Imagine if she didn't have a dragon tattoo.

Jack: That name would make would be cooler at that point. Cuz it'd be like, I wonder, what's the dragon tattoo? I wonder what's with the name.

Cristina: Wait, if it was still called the.

Jack: Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, there'd be so much intrigue about looking for the dragon tattoo.

Cristina: That's never mentioned at all.

Jack: Never mentioned.

Cristina: But then would you assume the main character has it even though no one has ever said anything?

Jack: You could. That's it. That's fat.

Cristina: Unless they say. Unless someone points out, like, and she doesn't have tattoos. Because then you know, oh, okay, this girl doesn't have tattoos. So why is this title called that?

Jack: Yeah, no, that's a valid point. Like, look, I. I think it would think about. We haven't even Seen this? Think about how interesting. Have you seen this?

Cristina: I don't remember. I might have. I don't remember.

Jack: Well, I haven't seen it and like, you don't even remember it. I haven't seen it. But think about how much more interesting this already is we're talking about. Like, is who. Who has it? Then who has the tattoo? Why is the name the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo? She's not the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. Did she meet a girl who has a dragon tattoo?

Cristina: I know she's reading a book and the book is called A Girl Dragon Tattoo. Oh, what a corny. I don't know.

Jack: Fascinating, right?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I think. No, that's the way to go.

Cristina: That's the way to go.

Jack: It's like the briefcase in Pulp Fiction. That makes it interesting. Now you're wondering, but it's not called.

Cristina: A briefcase in Pulp Fiction.

Jack: First, if it was called a briefcase in Pulp Fiction, my biggest question would be, what the f*** is Pulp Fiction? Are they in Pulp Fiction? Is that the name of this town or location we are. Are they in Pulp Fiction?

Cristina: I think they're in Pulp Fiction.

Jack: Briefcase in. Is is their situation called Pulp Fiction?

Cristina: What does Pulp Fiction mean?

Jack: I don't know, dude.

Cristina: There's a type of. I thought that was a genre or something. It sounds like one.

Jack: It.

Cristina: It could because it's fiction, but I don't know what the pulp.

Jack: It's thick fiction. It's a pulpy. Like if you had orange. Fresh squeezed juice. You can have somebody strain your fresh squeezed orange juice and it's just fresh squeezed orange juice. Or you could have it squeezed but not strained so that it's pulpy orange juice with chunks of the orange.

Cristina: Have you actually seen Pulp Fiction?

Jack: I've seen Pulp Fiction.

Cristina: Do you know what it's about?

Jack: I don't remember.

Cristina: You just know there's a briefcase?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Does anyone say Pulp Fiction?

Jack: I doubt anybody says Pulp Fiction. The main character's name is Pulp Fiction.

Cristina: His name is Pulp Fiction.

Jack: First name Pulp. Last name Fiction.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: No, look, because it would be a briefcase in Pulp Fiction. That. No, it doesn't work.

Cristina: Why not? What if there is a beer briefcase inside him and you don't even know?

Jack: So we're not even. We're thinking about the wrong briefcase.

Cristina: Exactly. Yes.

Jack: It's like the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. We don't actually see what's being mentioned even if we think it is.

Cristina: Maybe she has it in her mouth and then you see it every time she talks.

Jack: Then she Does a little hiss every time. But what does pulp Fiction mean?

Cristina: I don't know. It means something.

Jack: I don't know. I'm sure I think you're kind of right. All things considered, it probably means something like juicy fiction, thick fic fiction.

Cristina: Pulp fiction are books about imaginary characters and events produced in large qualities, quantities and intended to be read by many people, but are not considered to be very good quality. And there's like, examples, but the only one I can send that sounds familiar is the Da Vinci Code.

Jack: What was the description again?

Cristina: It is about imaginary characters and events produced in large quantities and intended to be read by many people, but are considered to be very. Not considered to be very good quality.

Jack: So they're just intentionally, like mediocre books that are essentially just kind of pass the time.

Cristina: Yes. So I guess. I guess, like, there's nothing amazing about this fiction, but everyone's reading it for some reason.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting.

Cristina: Wonder if Twilight counts as pulp fiction. No. Unless it has to be imaginary characters and events. I don't know. I don't know.

Jack: I think. I think that works. I think Twilight is definitely in there, but. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. So it is New Year's. We failed to catch in Santa. We got ourselves a Jesus we could do nothing with because we'll kill him if we try to do him or whatever. Uncryo him.

Cristina: Cryo.

Jack: And it's the end of the year and I just. I was looking for. I'm like, hey, cool, you know, we can't do anything with this Jesus guy. This plan failed. We. Not any closer. Talking to the cloud people. Steve's still out there learning how to communicate with clouds, which I guess has a beaver or whatever, the groundhog, because as a groundhog is not like the easiest thing to do.

Cristina: Oh, he's a groundhog.

Jack: Yeah. So there's a lot of obstacles in the way. And I'm like, we got nothing to do, nothing to review. I mean, there's a bunch of cases we could probably look into, but same s*** all the time.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So I'm like, alright, what's the worst thing that has ever happened on New Year's?

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: In looking for that, I stumbled upon something that I thought was about as cool. And so I shelved the other idea about what the craziest thing or the worst thing that happened on New Year's is. I somehow landed at a counter for all the data that matters in the world.

Cristina: A counter?

Jack: Yes. And it could bring it up to the day. It could bring it up to the day. For the whole year so we can find out what this year has been about in numbers.

Cristina: Numbers. I needed you to explain it exactly.

Jack: I'll explain.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: For example, this year our total world population has actually tipped into the 8 billions. This shows us that the population is at 8 billion.

Cristina: 8 billion. Is that the highest it's been 8 billion?

Jack: 8,193,710, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16.

Cristina: What?

Jack: It's going up?

Cristina: Oh, it's going up?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay. Those are just people being born. Or that's people alive.

Jack: Current people living.

Cristina: Current people living. Oh, so shouldn't it be going down too?

Jack: Well, yeah, sometimes it gets stuck. There's more people being born than there are people dying.

Cristina: Okay. So that number is always increasing, the numbers always going. And there's other numbers that are going up and down too.

Jack: There are many numbers, yes.

Cristina: What are some other facts about this year?

Jack: Well, we're gonna go through this entire list of which there are quite a bit of a few numbers. And I want you to see how this is going. Okay, so here we are looking at the current world population.

Cristina: What's all that info?

Jack: This is just data about it.

Cristina: And that's just of things of this year. That information.

Jack: No, this information is giving you general information about the population in general.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: At the moment it's 8 billion. And it's going to reach 9 billion by 2037 and 10 billion by 2058.

Cristina: Ridiculous.

Jack: Is doubled in the last 40 years.

Cristina: That is too many people. Whoa.

Jack: Currently 2022 growing at a rate of around 0.84% per year, adding 67 million people per year to the total.

Cristina: Whoa, whoa.

Jack: Growth rate reached its peak in the late 1960s when it was about 2.09.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. What happened? That's ridiculous. 0.40 something right? Right now. And now that's 2.09.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was huge. It was zero. It was 0.8 4.84.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It was.04 before and now. Oh, no, that's what you. That's what it is currently says 0.84 at the moment. And it was 2.09. Yeah.

Cristina: Everyone was having a child. Whoa.

Jack: Children everywhere. Children everywhere. Births this year alone, 133 million.

Cristina: That's crazy. I think I know, like three babies that were born this year. Something like that. I'm not sure. But that number keeps growing. Does it have info on that too? Like what's averagely every year or anything.

Jack: Telling us where it began?

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Then There have been 300,000 births today.

Cristina: Today. That's crazy.

Jack: But this year there have been 66 million deaths.

Cristina: When you're looking at the billion is like, how much is that? Was the percentage of deaths way insignificant to like the current of population? Like deaths? Wow.

Jack: Yep. It's way less than you think. As for the total.

Cristina: Yeah. What deaths this year? Just 66 million deaths today?

Jack: 150,000.

Cristina: Wow. 150,000. But that's way closer to the birth rate than the deaths of this year. Compared to the population.

Jack: No, to the population of all time. But if you look at like births this year versus.

Cristina: Comparing to deaths this year.

Jack: Is 1/3 of all births the same way. Same way today is one third of all. Actually, it's one half. Today is a particularly death filled day.

Cristina: Oh, well, that's not good. Okay. Today's not a good day.

Jack: It's not a good day. New Year's is when lives are lost, Right?

Cristina: What is happening? Oh, my gosh. So many numbers just going crazy.

Jack: So net population. By the way, this. The Worldometer is the name of this site. Worldometer.info for anybody interested. But we go into the net population growth. This is the total gain or loss.

Cristina: Talking about money?

Jack: No. Of people. So this is the. How many people have we gained without counting the people we've lost?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so this year the total has been a gain of 66 million. You can see it kind of going up and down there. That's because it's competing with the deaths. Okay, but it's still going up.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Net population growth today, same situation. Just competing with the deaths.

Cristina: Okay. Okay. It's about the same as the deaths.

Jack: Yeah. So to summarize, for the year, this year we crossed over to 8 billion people. We birthed 133 million people. We lost 66.7 million people this year. That's a lot of heavy stuff.

Cristina: That's crazy. But it's all crazy. Well, man. Covid. But like, is it more?

Jack: I don't know. But now we start getting to the money.

Cristina: The money.

Jack: Government and economics. So, you know, the people who run.

Cristina: Your lives, how much money they're making.

Jack: How much money has been used?

Cristina: Oh, use. Okay.

Jack: Public health care expenditure this year.

Cristina: Gotta be ridiculous.

Jack: Is at five freaking trillion. Almost six trillion dollars.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's expensive for the year, but we can, boom, make it for today and see that it's already at $13 billion today alone.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Ridiculous. Now, on education, for the year, we have wasted $4 trillion.

Cristina: That's good. I guess.

Jack: I guess.

Cristina: Don't you want it? What should it be more or less than the health?

Jack: I think this is a global thing.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. But so. But that's good right now.

Jack: Not a lot.

Cristina: It's not a lot.

Jack: It's not a lot.

Cristina: Ew.

Jack: Military expenses.

Cristina: As long as it's higher than military. Has to be a good year, right?

Jack: No, I mean, I guess.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It is about twice as much as the military at this point. So that's good.

Cristina: So a ridiculous amount.

Jack: I mean, not twice as much. Its education is about twice as much as military.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Says more on the use, but still.

Cristina: Like trillions or something.

Jack: Yeah, they're both in trillions. Expenditures for the military are at 1.7 and for public education is at 4. So. Yeah. Cars produce this year. 83 million.

Cristina: That's a lot of cars.

Jack: That's a lot of cars. Think of what 83 million cars looks like.

Cristina: Where are these cars at?

Jack: Everywhere. This hella Tesla's outside.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now here is a different category. Social media, or just media in general, I guess. And society. So society and media. Now, interesting enough, the slowest moving stat on this entire thing is the pace at which new books are being published.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Very slow.

Cristina: Maybe it's only one specific time of the day that. Oh, no. The never went up.

Jack: Yeah, very slowly.

Cristina: Wow. What? It is ridiculously slow. Are they counting online books, too? This can't be right.

Jack: Yep, they're just slowly ticking.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Why is everything else going up?

Jack: Random crap too, like newspapers circulating or still blowing up?

Cristina: Newspapers, not books. Okay.

Jack: Cell phones being sold are way more than books.

Cristina: How is published that many? I don't understand. Who's getting more than one cell phone? People just hoarding cell phones. What's happening?

Jack: There's just that many people getting cell phones. Money spent on video games just today is $264 million.

Cristina: That makes sense.

Jack: But for the year.

Cristina: For the year. Oh, what's for the year?

Jack: It is $113 billion.

Cristina: Can we see how much books have been published for the year?

Jack: 2.7 million.

Cristina: That can't. Is that really right? What?

Jack: News papers circulated are 170 billion. TV sets sold are at 244 million. Cell phones sold are at 2.6 billion.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. How many cell phones did you buy this year?

Jack: Internet users in the world? Everyone today, 500. I mean, 5 billion. 561 million. So almost everybody. There's. If there are only 8 billion people, then 5.5 billion people being online means only 2.5 aren't.

Cristina: And those are the Elderly and the babies.

Jack: Yes, 100%. Those are. Bunch of them. Just simply can't do jump online.

Cristina: Yeah. Or they're asleep because they're in that part of the world that hasn't woken up yet.

Jack: Fair enough.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Email sent today.

Cristina: I send so many emails. I hate emails. I'm tired of emails.

Jack: This year has seen a total of 105 trillion emails sent.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Yeah. Blog posts this year.

Cristina: Has to be ridiculous.

Jack: 3.3 million billion billion billion.

Cristina: Is that more than newspapers? Or is there more newspapers winning?

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Way more newspapers this year and this year. Okay, wow. Okay.

Jack: Tweet sent this year is at 324 billion. Google searches are at 3 trillion.

Cristina: You think they'd be so much more. I mean, I guess that's a lot, but.

Jack: That's a lot. But yeah, I do agree. I feel like it should be way higher than that.

Cristina: Whoa. Ridiculous. How many tweets have you tweeted this year?

Jack: None. I don't have a Twitter. Oh, forest lost this year.

Cristina: All of it.

Jack: 5 million acres. Land lost to soil erosion. 7 million acres.

Cristina: What causes soil erosion? Is that fires?

Jack: Is that farm decay time? Hella CO2 emissions. 36 billion. Trillion. Yeah. No, that's a billion. That's billion. 36 billion. Let's see. Toxic chemicals release into the environment this year. 9.7 tons of toxic chemicals.

Cristina: Is that bad?

Jack: Probably tons. Now we're going on to food.

Cristina: How many tacos have been eaten?

Jack: That would be an amazing study. Undernourished people in the world. 866 million. To be fair, that's way less than you'd think. Think. Right. That's one less than one. Eight.

Cristina: Oh, okay. How many. What are the other stats?

Jack: Overweight people in the world. 1.7 billion. Of which they're all here in the United States. Even if there are only 300 million, it's because each one of them counts for two.

Cristina: So there's more overweight people though, than starving people. That's a good thing.

Jack: Yeah. Well, here's the crazy thing. The next diet here is obese people. And there are a lot.

Cristina: There's.

Jack: There's 1.7 billion overweight people. There's 825 million overweight. I mean obese. So to be fair, if these 825 million people ate less, they can feed this 866 undernourished people.

Cristina: That's not how it works.

Jack: That's literally how it works. If the calories that these people are consuming, which is an added to their body, was given to those people they.

Cristina: Would have to physically give it to those people.

Jack: No. If their diets were just altered and all the extra food was sent to those other people starting today. Those aren't dead people. Those are malnourished people.

Cristina: Yeah, but how are you gonna send it to them? Like, we have so much food. We don't need to. We should be already feeding these people.

Jack: Oh, no, it's greed. We're just gonna take it from the people who are greedy.

Cristina: Like, we don't have to take it from the obese people. We could just give them the garbage we have.

Jack: Why don't we want to make the obese people healthier?

Cristina: The obese people? I guess. Well, you want to take care of the obese people.

Jack: Do all the things at the same time. Fix two birds, one stone. Two birds die because of my one rock.

Cristina: But what if they don't want to stop being fat?

Jack: Oh, fair enough. People who died of hunger today? 25,000.

Cristina: 25,000. How many people died from obesity?

Jack: That would. You don't die from.

Cristina: You don't.

Jack: You don't really die from obesity. Yeah, like, I don't know. That's a whole other problem. Because obesity could cause a heart attack, but it could cause diabetes. You know, it's like many different things.

Cristina: So you can't really say this person died because of obesity. We can see when someone died from starvation. Okay.

Jack: Throughout the year, 11 million people died of starvation.

Cristina: 11 million?

Jack: Yes. 11 million people starved to death. Money spent for obesity related diseases in the USA a lot this year is $230 billion.

Cristina: I know people who did that. Oh, my gosh. Yes. That's crazy.

Jack: All the diseases and crap that they're fighting because of problems they've given themselves. Well, here's a more relatable one. Money spent on weight loss programs in the United states this year. $68 billion. 68 billion.

Cristina: What is the solution to the problem? So you think just, I mean, taking away their food is not the solution and giving it to the hungry people? Because that's just gonna get them fat, you know, like, it's the same garbage.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Because, you know, it's funny, even the fat people are malnourished.

Cristina: Exactly. So you can't do that as a solution.

Jack: Yeah, it's the quality of what you're getting. So, like, obesity, it's problematic, but you still don't have the vitamins you need. You can give somebody else the calories, and they'll still not be getting the Vitamins they lack.

Cristina: That doesn't solve anything.

Jack: Yeah, it doesn't. It's a real problem. It's a real problem. People's gluttony is boundless. Now moving on to energy. Energy used today a lot. Megawatts.

Cristina: Megawatts, okay.

Jack: 397 million megawatts from non renewable resources. 338 megawatts from renewable resources. 60 million megawatts. Solar energy striking earth.

Cristina: Striking earth.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: The energy we're getting from the sun.

Jack: Yeah, the energy amount. The amount of energy slamming into the earth this very second, I guess for the entire year. That's problematic because I don't know what the f*** number I'm looking at at this point. It's beyond millions, beyond the billions, beyond the trillions. Is that what a Googleplex is? Is it one Googleplex?

Cristina: Well, we're not even close to actually using that or gathering that or whatever like.

Jack: No, this amount of energy is so g****** efficient. We would. If we could capture all the light just headed to Earth. Yeah, just the light hitting Earth. If we could capture all of that, we would power Earth until the extinction of humanity.

Cristina: That's crazy. What?

Jack: Yeah, that's why anybody who can hunt that's just gathering everything that lands on Earth. Civilization 1 type s***.

Cristina: But how many of this energy was taken from the windmills? Those Ewell windmills?

Jack: I don't know. Maybe that's on here somewhere. Oil pumped today in barrels. There's 81 million barrels pumped today.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Oil left calculated in barrels. This is the total oil left on Earth calculated in barrels. And that is 1 trillion. There are 1 trillion barrels of oil left being calculated by the amount of oil like deposits found.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Days to the end of oil at our current rate is forty years or a hundred or fourteen thousand days.

Cristina: That doesn't seem like too bad.

Jack: No, that's good enough. Time to come up with a bunch of stuff. Natural gases left one. What is this trillion as well? Or is that also Googleplex? Billion that trillion. One trillion natural gases left.

Cristina: We just need to get that sun power. That sun.

Jack: That sun power is way up there.

Cristina: Yeah, like I don't care about any of that. Look at the sun power.

Jack: Yeah. Days to the end of natural gas, 56,000 days. Coal left 4 trillion. What's BOE boy bones bo ko left bull. And days to the end of coal are 147,000.

Cristina: Good. Because we need that sunpower. We have. Just figure out the sun.

Jack: Yeah, okay, look. Yes to that sun power. We gotta like dedicate all our resources.

Cristina: Why are we Wasting our natural resources. When we have something hitting us in.

Jack: The face, it's hard to catch, man. It's not easy. It's not easy. You gotta understand. It's a lot. There's a lot of energy. A lot.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But, like, what do we got to do? We got to build these solar panels, and we have to do it with what, Our existing energy. You see the problem? And it's like, well, do we have the amount of energy it would require to build the thing in order to do the thing?

Cristina: But if we did it, like, yes, it will take a lot, but.

Jack: But slowly less because we direct more and more of the solar.

Cristina: We'll be getting so much more.

Jack: Yeah. Production eventually would cross a threshold in which it's exponential, because energy is infinite.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Yeah. I think it's worth. It's worth the investment. It'll be very slow at first, but as you start crawling more and more, the gain is infinite. Yeah, it has infinite. But there's no way we can use that much energy.

Cristina: No, that's crazy.

Jack: Not in our. The lifetime of any of us, at least.

Cristina: So ridiculous.

Jack: A lot of energy.

Cristina: The sun is the way.

Jack: The sun is the way. That's the true mother of life. So, health. Communicable disease Deaths this year. 12 million seasonal flu deaths this year, 500,000. Seasonal flu.

Cristina: Seasonal flu.

Jack: It's a murder a little less known. Covid. No. This year. No. Covid took a couple. Right. Covid. Is.

Cristina: Is Covid here?

Jack: Oh, maybe somewhere in there.

Cristina: Unless the first one has Covid included in it.

Jack: No.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Deaths of children under five this year. 7.5 million. It's a lot of dead kids.

Cristina: A lot of dead kids.

Jack: That's a lot of dead babies.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: 42 million abortions this year.

Cristina: Yeah, but that means they saved a lot of dead babies. There's less dead children because there's more dead babies.

Jack: Yeah. In any case, we could come. We can merge the abortions and the dead children and just say that there are just 50 million abortions or 50 million dead children under five. Deaths of mothers during birth this year. 300,000. What? Deaths due to. Oh, no, not even just people infected with AIDS. 44 million.

Cristina: Oh, okay. That's not. Deaths.

Jack: Okay, this is the current number of people alive right now with AIDS and hiv.

Cristina: Is that a lot compared to how many people there are?

Jack: No.

Cristina: What is that?

Jack: Not even close. Yeah, this is just millions. We're talking 8 billion people. Now we're on to deaths caused by HIV and AIDS in the year. That's 1.6 million Covid is about as crappy or a little shittier.

Cristina: So how many people with it died? Like, what's the math? There's 44.

Jack: Very little.

Cristina: A million died.

Jack: It's not a problem anymore.

Cristina: Okay. So if you get it, you don't have to worry.

Jack: No, you stop worry. But you can handle it now. There's enough medication to kind of fight it back pretty heavily. Science have it. Science has advanced quite a bit. We have the technology.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Deaths caused by cancer this year, way worse. Why aren't we out here horrified about cancer?

Cristina: I guess can't give cancer to someone.

Jack: And although we can give AIDS to someone, it is still way less impactful.

Cristina: People are horrified.

Jack: Yeah, there's freaking deaths. 1.6 million of AIDS and HIV, but by cancer there's 8 million. Please. Cancer is looking at AIDS like chump numbers. B****.

Cristina: But what was the seasonal flu number again?

Jack: The seasonal flu was. No, it's not significant. 500,000 now. Deaths by malaria, 391,000.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Cigarette smoked today. Wow. 12 billion cigarettes smoked this year. 5 trillion.

Cristina: Oh yeah. There's people who don't just do one. Yeah, they'll do a box.

Jack: Deaths caused by smoking. This year they have that number. 5 million.

Cristina: 5 million. How do they know by smoking?

Jack: They don't know.

Cristina: That doesn't make sense.

Jack: This is the same as like being over.

Cristina: Yeah, Wouldn't it be the same? Where are those obese numbers then? Do they have smoking numbers? That doesn't make sense.

Jack: No, it's total bullshit. Like 100% because it would have to be the things that smoking caused. And you can't tell what was caused by smoking or just happen cents. Suicides. This year, just over 1 million.

Cristina: Just over 1 million.

Jack: Money spent on illegal drugs this year, 397 billion.

Cristina: I wonder if that number has gone down because now weed is not such a drug. A legal drug. So that number should have gone down.

Jack: That's probably a huge one. But it's also like insignificant. The change here in the United States, it's. There's a world out there. Road traffic accident fatalities. So car accidents that resulted in somebody dying. 1.3 million.

Cristina: I wonder if they count animals who died. Animals, Cats, deer, squirrels. For some reason, all the random animals, such as the fly that hits your windshield.

Jack: How can. I mean, I bet somebody calculated the fly that hits the windshield.

Cristina: Math, that's how.

Jack: I don't know. There's probably a way to calculate it.

Cristina: Well, that's a lot of death.

Jack: Well, no, it used to be, but now the Windows design in such a way that they glide off as opposed to smack into it. That's why it's. Your windshield is at an angle.

Cristina: Okay. But the animals are still dead.

Jack: There's a bunch of dead animals. But like, how do we calculate something like that? Right. That's nuts. How many animals are there on average? How many of them have died for what causes? Like so much.

Cristina: Mm, so much. Yeah. It's a lot of stuff that happened this year and a lot of money.

Jack: Spent on a lot of things.

Cristina: A lot of things.

Jack: Education is higher, but it's also. We're talking the world. If we were to look at the United States impact of that same thing, it's probably very different.

Cristina: I think it's less.

Jack: I think it's probably way less.

Cristina: Like, when it comes to military, what were the three things? Military, health and education.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Where do you think they rank?

Jack: I think military is way up there for the United States.

Cristina: You think that's number one then over medical? Yeah, yeah, sure. I don't know.

Jack: I do think it's everything.

Cristina: Everything about the hospital is expensive. That's a lot of money.

Jack: Everything about the hospital.

Cristina: Yeah. When it comes to health.

Jack: Yeah. I guess in the here in the United States, at least many countries take care of their citizens. And here. Nah.

Cristina: But that's why I would think that would be more. Probably we spend more money on that than military.

Jack: Well, no, that's. We're literally paying from our pocket as opposed to from tax. That's how they're calculating that how much money of the taxpayer dollars going to these things is what the question was answering, not how much people have like donated to them or whatever.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. So when it comes down to it, like what you waste on health care, that doesn't matter versus what is taken from your money. That's what's being calculated.

Cristina: So what's the most shocking thing you remember from this year?

Jack: The most shocking thing I remember from this year. This year kind of flew by and it was a bit of a haze. I'm sure a couple of amazing things happened, but I don't remember any. They weren't particularly memorable. It's kind of still rebounding off of 2020 when s*** was like just hitting the fan and the world ending or whatever was happening.

Cristina: Nothing has really changed. I mean, Ukraine is still doing their battle.

Jack: Yeah, that happened this year. War.

Cristina: War. At least the world war hasn't happened yet.

Jack: And NASA is gonna finally have to give up all it. Not NASA. The government is finally also gonna have to give up all this paperwork related to UFOs and stuff, that's. That's cool.

Cristina: That's cool.

Jack: That's dope.

Cristina: Aliens.

Jack: Aliens. Our jobs are no longer gonna be a secret. And only for the people who listen to this show, but for everybody. Soon we're gonna be on tv. We're gonna be super megastars. It's gonna be awesome.

Cristina: I don't want to be on tv.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Doesn't sound fun.

Jack: Well, we're just gonna be here. Well, I guess not here. Depends where we are.

Cristina: What are we doing just waving at people on tv? Are we celebrities?

Jack: I guess we're gonna be waving like the Queen. We're gonna be podcasting from inside of a bubble.

Cristina: That died today. That died today. That happened this year.

Jack: Oh, the Queen died this year. Oh, yeah, that did happen.

Cristina: I don't know why it came out that way. Yes. That was a mess.

Jack: The Queen. Oh, Her Majesty the Queen. And war.

Cristina: That's.

Jack: That's it. Is that the year wrapped up?

Cristina: Yeah. And Elon buying Twitter.

Jack: Elon bought Twitter. That happened.

Cristina: And Facebook's meta died. I don't know. Is that.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: They made it such a big deal. It was a lot panicking, sort of. And like, what's it gonna do? It's gonna change the world and everything, and we're gonna be living in it. This is gonna be.

Jack: The feature became like a weird matrix.

Cristina: Nothing happened.

Jack: Yeah, nothing happened. People hopped in. Somebody made some angry or bored apes, and that was it. The end.

Cristina: Was that an NFT?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Was that the thing this year? NFT.

Jack: There were a bunch of NFTs, but it's been like two years of NFTs at this point.

Cristina: Yeah, well, it died off this year. It was born. Yes, Last year.

Jack: Yeah. Both of those things came and went pretty quickly. Meanwhile, bitcoin's still going hard.

Cristina: Yeah. What a year.

Jack: What a year. What a year.

Cristina: But look, we've had.

Jack: We had some ups and downs this year. We didn't catch Santa, but we've done a lot. And our only saving grace is Steve training. Eventually he'll be done. One day he'll be like, I figured it out.

Cristina: And then he abandons us.

Jack: Yeah. Goes joins a cloud or whatever. Becomes a God himself.

Cristina: He is sort of, kind of.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: He needs to become one.

Jack: But anyways, look, look, look, look. You guys can find out about Steve the Groundhog on our Groundhog Day episode. You guys can see last year's wrap up last year. You got to go back in time. You can't listen to it anymore. You got to go to last year to hear it when it first came out. Get yourself a time machine. You don't have one.

Cristina: Get cooler, get cooler.

Jack: Get cooler. Get a cooler.

Cristina: Get a cooler.

Jack: No, that's where we store our time machine. In a cooler.

Cristina: Why would we do that? That's gotta be huge.

Jack: Why can't our time machine be. Watch. A wristwatch, huh?

Cristina: Because I feel like you described it as us going into it.

Jack: Why can't it be a wristwatch that turns us into pure light and then pulls us inside?

Cristina: How do you take multiple people?

Jack: Well, you can take as many people as you want. We're 99% emptiness. I'm a walking nothing.

Cristina: So you put it on, and then how do you get other people to put it on? They just. You fall onto the floor. I mean, it falls onto the floor, and then the next person just puts it on, and then they fall.

Jack: No, we all just get sucked into it and then it disappears.

Cristina: How does it know who to take you?

Jack: I don't know. You hold hands.

Cristina: Okay. He's like, what stops everyone else from entering?

Jack: It looks way more like magic. Yeah, but look, you guys can learn about all that stuff and you can, like, I don't know, look at posts and chunk on the official websites and chunks and stuff. But look, find us on social media@justconvo pod, on Twitter, Instagram and TikTok, and you can.

Cristina: Or remember to subscribe. Yes, remember to subscribe. Don't do. Do it. Please. Do it.

Jack: Do what?

Cristina: Subscribe.

Jack: Please subscribe. Yes, I suppose. Please, I beg of you.

Cristina: Please, please. I need you to subscribe.

Jack: I mean, we don't need s*** from these people, Ray.

Cristina: And review the show.

Jack: Oh, yes, that's very important. Very. It's awesome when you do that. We like it.

Cristina: Let people who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yeah, man, there's a bunch of stuff.

Cristina: Look, there's a choice of people who might not like this show.

Jack: Yeah, look, we're on all the feeds, right? Then we're everywhere. You can show them wherever you want.

Cristina: Show everybody who exists, and then they'll know.

Jack: And look, there's a bunch of episodes about all the crap we talked. And, you know, you'll find all of it. Just type keywords and junk and you'll. You'll find it, bro. It's there. Anyways, look, this has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Cristina: Have conversations with someone else.

Jack: So that's brain work right there.

Cristina: That's brain working.

Jack: Have conversations, paint write, sketch, do something. It doesn't f****** matter. Do something. Exercise.

Cristina: You're not a zombie.

Jack: Yeah, prove you're not a f****** sheep.

Cristina: Or a sheep.

Jack: Yeah, that's what sheep do. They wait to be herded.

Cristina: Oh, that's exactly what's happening. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. People wait to go back to the herd later and then be told what to do. D***. And people just gave in, dude. People just gave in. That just happened. People just. And were programmed school programs.

Cristina: This is so easy.

Jack: Yeah, school programs. Us, dude. It's do what you go into f****** building. Shut the f*** up. And you do what the person in the front is telling you to do. You know, it doesn't make sense, but that's. You're not there to learn math or English. You need to learn how to follow orders.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

December 10, 2022

Rambling 204: Cryostasis Christmas Present

December 10, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

Is cryostasis possible? Will the technology to properly manage it ever be perfected? Will Santa explain the origin of his “magic?” The duo compose a plan to simultaneously get ahold of Jesus Christ and Santa Clause with one absurdly intricate, highly convoluted, and mostly unnecessary plan.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Cryostasis
The Cryonics Institute
Jesus Christ
Time Machine
Technology of the Future
Santa Clause

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we grant humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And I have some green. Some great news. It's the greatest news.

Cristina: How great.

Jack: I think I came up with a way for us to honestly bring Hitler back in an actual ice cube.

Cristina: He would have to already be in an ice cube.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: So how is that possible?

Jack: That time machine we have over there, we're gonna. Right before he blows his own brains out, or they blow his brains out, or somebody kills him, or he dies, or he runs away or whatever the h*** happens following the events of World War II, we quickly s***** him and freeze him and put him, ironically, wherever Captain America was, just because that's funny.

Cristina: But why are we doing this to him from all people?

Jack: So that we can complete your wish of wanting Hitler to show up underneath the Christmas tree.

Cristina: That's not my wish. I want Jesus now.

Jack: You want Jesus now. But look. No, now we gotta do it with Hitler. But the good thing is, it's possible. That's crazy. Actually, now that you say Jesus, I do think that would be way more entertaining and actually cooler. Like, we'd have to go so much further back.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Thus confirming Jesus, kind of essentially destroying all arguments in opposition of him.

Cristina: And if we don't find him, we get Hitler because, like, that's our backup. I guess.

Jack: Yeah, I guess that could happen, too. If we go back and we just like, hey, who's. Where's Jesus? They're like, who's who? Who's Jesus, bro? But the point is that there's totally a way to do it. Yes, there's totally a way to accomplish this. We can actually.

Cristina: Wait, what's the plan?

Jack: So we're going to use a time machine that we tend to ignore because it messes everything up all the time. But this involves Jesus now. We have to do it.

Cristina: But. Okay, and what are we doing?

Jack: We're going back in time, and then we're going to freeze Jesus in an ice cube, and then you're going to go ask Santa for Jesus ice cube, and he'll go find where Jesus is.

Cristina: Why are we going in a.

Jack: What?

Cristina: There's something that doesn't make sense here.

Jack: What, the fact that we just kidnapped Jesus.

Cristina: We have a time machine to get him, but we need Santa?

Jack: Well, no, we have a time machine to go back and put him in.

Cristina: Ice and then what do we need Santa for?

Jack: Well, in the present, you're gonna ask Santa to give you Jesus under your Christmas tree.

Cristina: Why didn't we just take him with us?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: What?

Jack: But cryostasis is possible, I guess. I guess the reason we didn't take him with us is just so that he can be delivered as we suggested previously in an ice block.

Cristina: I feel like we could just take him with us, though.

Jack: Yeah, but you want Santa to give him to you.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: That's the point.

Cristina: Easier to have Salah just unfreeze him.

Jack: Well, we're gonna unfreeze him.

Cristina: What? And also, wouldn't freezing him just kill him in ice? We're just putting him in ice.

Jack: We're putting him in ice? Well, no, if we just put him in ice, horrible things will happen to him.

Cristina: He'll die.

Jack: He'll die. If we just put him in ice, he'll die. And we're not trying to kill Jesus. That's for the Jews to do. We're gonna stop him right before he does get killed, I guess. And then we're gonna put him in a block of ice.

Cristina: But wouldn't I kill him?

Jack: Well, no, because it's gonna be a cryostasis block of ice.

Cristina: What's the difference?

Jack: So one is gonna freeze your blood over, the other one's gonna avoid that happening. So, okay, in other words, the blood in your veins and in your arteries, the cells that make them up are gonna slowly turn into ice and create like little snowflakes, essentially.

Cristina: When you die.

Jack: Yeah, that's when you die, essentially. That's why you can't unfreeze a person, but you can unfreeze somebody from cryostasis. Just freezing somebody will murder them. But cryostasis, the logic would be you.

Cristina: Could undo it, but what's the difference? What are you doing in cryostasis?

Jack: Oh, well, there's some sort of liquid that's highly unstable, and you can pump a gas that stabilizes in there, but it's not actually cold necessarily as much as it is just stabilizing.

Cristina: Does it turn into ice, though, or. It looks like ice or something. I don't know if it actually freezing the person.

Jack: I think it's just fluid.

Cristina: Okay, so they're in water or something.

Jack: Yeah, you don't want the water to turn to ice, essentially.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And the gas stabilizes the liquid so that it doesn't turn to ice. But we can freeze him is the point. Or not freeze him. We can stasis him, put him in cryostasis.

Cristina: Put him to sleep.

Jack: Yes. And then get Santa to go find him, track him.

Cristina: I don't understand why we need to do that.

Jack: So that he can be put under your Christmas tree. Why Santa?

Cristina: Why do we need to.

Jack: Also, this is a way we can get Santa if we needed to catch him.

Cristina: That is an interesting idea. Why would we freeze him? We should just ask Santa to get him.

Jack: Why? If he'd be dead? Because the Jews would kill him.

Cristina: We could ask him to go back in time.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the question is, then we don't have to do anything. Just asking Santa to do anything. He'll just go and do it regardless of what it is.

Cristina: I guess as long as we've been.

Jack: Good, go murder Jesus.

Cristina: Except for that. No. I think you also have to ask for something good. And we're not asking him to murder.

Jack: Oh, we have to ask for something good.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: How is materialism good, Santa?

Cristina: I don't know. It's the top. That's the goodest thing you could ask for stuff. Stuff. He wants stuff.

Jack: Just get stuff.

Cristina: But we could have him bring Jesus from the past. It'll be a two part wish. You asked for him to time travel and I asked for him to come back with Jesus.

Jack: No, we wouldn't have to do that. Because based on the logic you're applying to Santa right now, the fact that he can even go back in time means we could just tell him, hey, I want Jesus from this year brought here right now.

Cristina: Actually, maybe this doesn't make sense. Does he have the power to time travel? I don't think so.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Have you ever heard about a time traveling Santa?

Jack: No, but why would we hear about it?

Cristina: Because we hear about all his other weird stuff.

Jack: Yeah, but if he traveled through time, unless he was going forward and it just looked like he missed for a really long time or traveled backwards and they don't remember anything that happened subsequently. It we like how? How would we know?

Cristina: How do we know? But what if he doesn't have the power though? So I guess we do need a time machine. If he doesn't have time travel as a power.

Jack: But now the question is, does he have time travel as a power?

Cristina: How would we know? I don't know. Because I don't know any stories of Santa traveling through time.

Jack: What are his powers? Essentially he can change his shape and size.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That allows him to travel through chimneys and stuff. He has some sort of aids.

Cristina: He could live forever.

Jack: He might live forever. He might be immortal.

Cristina: He might be immortal.

Jack: He can see and hear Everything. All the time.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Dude, even Jehovah doesn't have that. Dude, that's so nuts.

Cristina: He sees you when you're sleeping. Okay, yeah.

Jack: You could do things Jehovah doesn't see.

Cristina: Like what?

Jack: How the h*** did the snake get the fruit to Adam and Eve? If God saw that, then he intended for them to do that.

Cristina: Yes. So that he could punish them. Because he enjoys punishing.

Jack: He's a sadist.

Cristina: Yes. What are you talking about?

Jack: Yeah, he made a bunch of crap to destroy it all. I mean, I guess that's what a writer does, right?

Cristina: Mm. He enjoys punishing people as much as he enjoys.

Jack: Well, he can enjoy it. It doesn't make any sense.

Cristina: He's not a real God.

Jack: No, because that wouldn't be a real God. That's still a demigod. Getting enjoyment out of anything would still make you a demigod.

Cristina: Yeah, he's a demigod. Yeah.

Jack: Jehovah, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah, for sure.

Cristina: There's no way nothing about that story would make sense.

Jack: Nah, nothing about anything involving Jehovah would make sense.

Cristina: Exactly. No version of God that comes from any religion makes sense. If they're anything like these stories.

Jack: Yeah. They have straight up not care and not have a physical form because that also doesn't matter. Like, even the concept of acknowledging your creations wouldn't make sense because you don't give a f***. You. The concept of you alone makes no sense. And you're fully aware of that. And also you're aware of how it does make sense. Like all of the above.

Cristina: Yes. So, yeah, there's no actual God in any of these stories.

Jack: There's no actual God, the capacity, or there is a God and everybody's God.

Cristina: But none of these stories are telling the story.

Jack: Stories are telling the story of God. You're right. They're all just in the stories from.

Cristina: Random s*** from random demigods.

Jack: Maybe that means we're more God than those gods.

Cristina: How?

Jack: Because in theory, the mind is God. Right. That's what's happening in all those arguments that if it's a pure God, that's everything, then it's also nothing. And it must acknowledge all of that and somehow everything is it. Then the inside of your head is God. You're making everything your God. Yeah, because what would be the difference?

Cristina: What would make you more God than a demigod?

Jack: You made those things. Those things didn't make you the demigods. Yeah, demigods are some creation in the thing, while the real God is the big thing outside of the Thing?

Cristina: Yeah. You're saying we made the demigods?

Jack: Yeah, we made all the demigods. We had to. If. How do. Ah, man, I don't know. It's a very matrix, fourth dimensional point of view going on. But with a time machine, we'll also think more four dimensionally and then we can freeze Jesus.

Cristina: Yes. Okay, so then what are you. Why do we need Santa again?

Jack: Santa Claus is gonna go get Jesus Christ in cryostasis container.

Cristina: Why don't we. I don't understand why, if we're doing it ourselves already, we're kidnapping him, putting him in this machine.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: Why can't we just put the machine in the time machine? The machine that we're keeping him in?

Jack: Because the goal is to get Santa Claus.

Cristina: That's true. Why is he involved in this? I don't know. I feel like it's two different missions that don't relate. Why is this involved? Yeah, like why are you kidnapping.

Jack: I mean, might as well be practical and like make use of it at the same time.

Cristina: There's just like these two things don't seem to relate.

Jack: They're not. We're just knocking two birds out with one stone. We want both Santa Claus and Jesus.

Cristina: What's for?

Jack: I don't know. Experiments.

Cristina: Experiments. Because I know Santa probably can help us reach the other planet that. The planet gods or whatever.

Jack: You think. You think that's the solution?

Cristina: I think he could talk to Snow.

Jack: Think Santa could? I mean, look, he has to, right? That's exactly what like Frosty is. He's just.

Cristina: He's a freaking snow. Exactly.

Jack: He's just. No, he's sentient snow. Did Santa Claus make Frosty?

Cristina: I don't think so.

Jack: Sentient snow? What the h*** is snow?

Cristina: I don't know, but it became sentiments all by itself.

Jack: That's a question, right? Is it by itself? It was probably magic.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: I don't know. There was a lot of magic up in the North Pole during North Pole days.

Cristina: Where's the magic coming from?

Jack: That's an interesting question. You're suggesting that maybe it's not Santa doing it, but maybe Santa's own magic is coming from some other source.

Cristina: Yes, because there's magical creatures like the elves, the elves.

Jack: The question is, are they getting their magic from Santa or is there some third party? Is everything in the North Pole getting its magic from Santa? Is he overpowered to that degree? The elves are getting it from him.

Cristina: Frosty's getting it because there's elves outside of the North Pole. Don't they have magic.

Jack: They're still connected to him somehow.

Cristina: He leads the elves also.

Jack: Is he link? It's like a human who got lost with the elves and then became the boss.

Cristina: Yeah. No. I don't know. No way.

Jack: Because he's not human himself. He can't be.

Cristina: But he is.

Jack: But he has crazy powers.

Cristina: He got that from something.

Jack: He got that from something. Oh s***. He got that from something.

Jack: Santa was just a guy. That was the point.

Cristina: Yeah. You know, the church was giving their saints powers.

Jack: Fascinating.

Cristina: Where did they get it from? They were getting it from Jesus.

Jack: Where did they get it from?

Cristina: Because he opened all those portals to the other side.

Jack: Is that how that went?

Cristina: I think so. I don't remember. Is that how that went? I feel like Jesus made a bunch of portals to. What's the other place called?

Jack: What other place? H***.

Cristina: Upside down. I don't know. The second world.

Jack: Oh, the shadow.

Cristina: The shadow realm.

Jack: Oh crap. That is what happened, right? The sacrifice of Jesus.

Cristina: No, Jesus was making actual portals.

Jack: Why? Because Jesus was the fake. No. Okay, let's review the story.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Somehow an evil deity of some sort showed up from the shadow realm, used fear to manifest. Yeah, that's what kept it round. Eventually the good one came a diff. Or a different one.

Cristina: Different.

Jack: Came and somehow disposed of that problem through X way and took their place. Thus the change of Old Testament. New Testament. Right.

Cristina: I think the other one's still around though.

Jack: They're both still around. Okay, but like when prisoner isolated somewhere. I believe now Jesus was the shadow one, right? I don't remember.

Cristina: I don't remember. But I'm pretty sure the other one's still around because I'm pretty sure Adam and Eve is in Atlantic.

Jack: Yes, that's right.

Cristina: And they're trapped, but in a protected dome. So that that other. The evil dark entity thing doesn't get them interesting.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. This checks out.

Cristina: This checks out.

Jack: It sounds about right so far. So the argument is then that somehow Jesus blood because Jesus was going around opening portals. So then that's the point, right? There was a guy who went around spreading the word.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then that gave people the knowledge and then get into fear and created thing and to come through.

Cristina: Because they were using the portals to set monsters into the world from that so that they can kill the monsters with the Holy Spirit or whatever. But that also helped create fear, which they need because power.

Jack: Yes, yes, you're totally right. The church was doing this.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So in the church. No, because it couldn't be adrenochrome. Right. Then we know that has to be. No, it can't be. It can't be. And I can tell you why it can't be adrenochrome. It's because he doesn't need more of it. He doesn't need Santa Claus. He doesn't need more adrenochrome. All he needs is the fear. And he's over freaking powered. Something they taught him or something they gave him or something. Made it so that he would go from being a man, being a God.

Cristina: The church?

Jack: Yeah, the church had to give St Nicholas something that then made him so overpowered. Unless St Nicholas and Santa Claus aren't the same guy, and then we still dealing with some other s***.

Cristina: I. So is this some random guy pretending to be St. Nick?

Jack: No, St. Nick is one guy and Santa Claus is another.

Cristina: Okay, so Santa Claus. We're just saying that they're the same people.

Jack: We could be. Maybe they are the same person, but they could be not. They could be different people.

Jack: They're probably the same person. I'm just throwing theories out there.

Cristina: Yeah, but where would he get his power? Whether he's the same or not the same? What is the power thing happening? Does that mean he could just be a creature from the other side?

Jack: If he isn't St Nicholas, then yes.

Cristina: How does that make sense?

Jack: Creatures from the other side, you can use fear to manifest.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He could be something like that. Yeah, that makes sense. That checks out.

Cristina: He looks human. Maybe. Then again, no one's seen him. Really. It could be just a creature. It could be a creature, but transform into this man that we see, because that's what they like to do.

Jack: Oh, shapeshift. Well, we know he can shapeshift already.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah, like that's already a fact. He uses that just to get through your chimney.

Cristina: He could come from the other side. Okay, but then what about the magic? Where's all that magic coming from? Does it come from him?

Jack: Well, yeah, that's the problem. If he's from the other side, then he's messing with things that already have magic.

Cristina: I already have magic.

Jack: Yeah. Like fairies and s***.

Cristina: Yeah. And he can communicate with snow, though. That's important.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Where does Frosty come from? He's a snow thing.

Jack: Well, everybody can communicate with Frosty.

Cristina: Yeah, he didn't make him that thing.

Jack: Well, we don't know if he can. If he made him. We don't know if Santa Claus made Frosty. We just know that Frosty can talk to anybody because he just speaks normal Language?

Cristina: Mm. Yes.

Jack: Yeah. So it's he made sentience. No. If he made him, I don't know. But then the question is, is the North Pole something that radiates some certain magic? So everything up there has these abilities and random crap. Not knowing how to use it results in things like Frosty being able to talk and walk and move around.

Cristina: I don't know. There's probably as much weird stuff there as there is everywhere else. It's just. It seems like there's more there because there's not a lot of people there.

Jack: Interesting. Well, then. Okay. So your argument is that there's a radius everywhere.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Of magic.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that a bunch of crazy s*** happens in there, but over there, they're all within the same radius where the magic happens. So it happens to all of them, all time. And in other places there's just people kind of. Maybe one lives on the edge. Maybe nobody lives in it.

Cristina: Yeah, there's things everywhere. Vampire like things, all these different creatures. Werewolves, whatever. Yeah, everywhere. Japan's full of monsters. Ireland's full of monsters.

Jack: Ireland is full of monsters for sure.

Cristina: Exactly. So, yeah, North Polar doesn't have more than anywhere else.

Jack: But your argument would be that the North Pole has monsters and that that's the same thing happening everywhere else in the world. But that would just mean that there is. That they're by magic and not adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes, because, like, it couldn't be adrenochrome because there's nothing up there, up where in North Pole to be getting adrenochrome. Like, if they were getting adrenochrome, where would they be getting it from?

Jack: Well, they're not getting adrenochrome. They're getting fear. Yeah, which is why what they gave St. Nicholas, if that is St. Nicholas.

Cristina: He'S the only one getting fear. Like, what are the elves getting? What are the magic snowman and any other magical creature?

Jack: Well, Santa Claus isn't just getting feared. The fear allows him to have all these abilities.

Cristina: Well, that's all him, though. What about all these other. Unless you're saying they're all coming from him.

Jack: Well, it could be. That's my theory. That if he's getting the power, he's sharing the power.

Cristina: Can they share the power that way? It doesn't feel like they can. Like, it always feels like these things just only an individual thing has the powers and just hoards the power until they go crazy.

Jack: Well, no, maybe it's beneficial. Maybe. You got to think about it. What if he's Granting them immortality in exchange for. You guys gotta be able to make certain things and do things quickly and whatever. Immortality is the guarantee here. You'll never age. You'll be immortal forever. All of you will leave forever. I will allow you to do that. But I need the power to do that.

Cristina: But if they're elves, they should already have that power.

Jack: Immortality.

Cristina: Yeah. I feel like all elves have that power.

Jack: No, they can age very far. Oh, they will die.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Regardless. Regardless. The point is that we can freeze Jesus.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then Santa Claus will go fetch Jesus.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or not freeze him, but cryostasis him.

Cristina: Yes. And then Santa Claus is gonna go back in time to get him.

Jack: No, he's not gonna go back in time. We went back in time and put him in cryostasis, and then time passed with him in cryostasis, and now it's the present, and Santa Claus is gonna go get him and bring him back.

Cristina: Okay. Okay. Because we hid him somewhere where he was at. Because we're not gonna travel with his body to where we're at.

Jack: Yeah. Because the point is to get Santa Claus.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. And then what?

Jack: I don't know. We'll have Santa Claus or we can talk to him. Isn't the goal to get him the. To see one where he gets his power? Like, holy s***. Holy, bro.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What?

Cristina: Also Just learn about everything that's going on in the North Pole. All these questions that we have. Yes, but.

Jack: And get. Maybe. Maybe he's strong enough. Maybe strong enough? He's omniscient. What?

Cristina: Strong enough for what?

Jack: To fight whatever crap the Cat people are on.

Cristina: Okay. But anyway. But what about Jesus?

Jack: What about Jesus?

Cristina: What are we doing with him? With the cryostasis? Okay. Keeps him alive. And then. Well.

Jack: Well, then we will retrieve him from the other side.

Cristina: How?

Jack: Well, there is a. I don't. I don't know the details myself, but there's a place. Cryonics Institute. It's people who freeze people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And they're gonna give us this technology.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And do it from there. They have a website. We could just go online.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And get to the Cryonics Institute website. And on the Cryonics Institute website, they will allow us to subscribe to get frozen. But they got services.

Cristina: No way.

Jack: They got services for days. But they have a. We gotta go from the beginning. We're gonna break this down and break this down.

Cristina: Services, like, different services, like. It's not just freeze and then unfreeze. That's not it. Yes.

Jack: So there's a whole. Whole list of Things. But, but let's go through this real quick. Is the Cryonics Institute and they have cryonics emergencies. If you have cryonics emergencies, like you're.

Cristina: About to die, you're having a heart attack. I don't understand. There's not.

Jack: My grandma just died. Freeze her, please, so we can undo the death.

Cristina: But she's dead.

Jack: I don't know how it works. You're asking too many questions. But for a cryonics emergency, you can call if anybody. If anybody has a cryonics emergency list need to do this. The number is 1-586-791-5961. If you want to be frozen, cryonics is who you got to get in contact with. Now, their tagline, a second chance at life.

Cristina: If you're about to die, it doesn't make sense.

Jack: If you're like life extension with reach most affordable cryonic suspensions, okay, that suggests that there's alternate options.

Cristina: Affordable, like there's more expensive options.

Jack: World's largest provider of whole body cryonics. CI class performed more than no way to go.

Cristina: So are we gonna check out the emergencies?

Jack: No, we're not gonna check out the emergencies. You're gonna look at through some of these services and look at some of these descriptions.

Cristina: All right?

Jack: Life is priceless.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Imagine a world free of disease, death and aging. At the Cryonics Institute, we believe that day. That day is coming. And cryonics is presently our best chance of getting there.

Cristina: Okay, so they don't just want to wake up at any time.

Jack: No, they have.

Cristina: They're waiting for the moment where we're. We didn't. We don't wake up. We solved everything.

Jack: Yes. We stopped dying.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. They think that's gonna be a moment.

Jack: The hope is the rapture happens and then the seven years of like, peace and then some years of h***, and then people disappear and then Earth is inherited by Jesus or some s*** like that. I think they're waiting for the paradise part of that narrative so they could just. Oh, oh, now it's the time that doesn't make sense.

Cristina: But okay.

Jack: Cause science, like our mission is to extend human lifespan by preserving the body using existing cryogenic technologies with the goal of revival by future science. But will it work? But will it work?

Cristina: No.

Jack: Research makes a powerful case for cryonics.

Cristina: The crazy thing is though, like, if there is a moment when we do reach all that stuff that they're hoping for, they won't be able to afford it because that's still going to come With a price. What?

Jack: Getting woken up?

Cristina: No, getting the. The medicine that's going to keep you alive after you've been woken up. The medicine that's going to keep all the diseases away from you, all that crap. Well, there wouldn't be because you don't have insurance. There's no way. They would have to give you something so that you wouldn't get diseases. There's nothing.

Jack: Listen to me. Listen to me. Listen to me. I believe part of the thing is we would have solved everything. To the point that selling it would make no sense. It's too solvable.

Cristina: So solvable.

Jack: It's basic.

Cristina: Why like the flu, it just gets bigger and dangerouser and everything. Like you gotta always have something new to fight it because it's gonna get worse. Like there's no way to truly solve it. You just push it back. So wouldn't it be the same with everything else? You're just gonna push whatever back?

Jack: Well, we don't know if we can actually solve the problem. We're assuming our science is currently primitive and that in the future figure all that out. We'll figure all that out with enough time. Everything has a solution with enough time.

Cristina: Yes. I guess if you think time, if it's infinite.

Jack: It doesn't have to be infinite. It doesn't have to be infinite. Less than a thousand years, you've solved every medical problem ever. Science using technology. Technology has only existed for about a hundred years. Give it a thousand. Where do we land?

Cristina: I guess the only real way to solve all these problems is to become robots though.

Jack: No, we will definitely get far enough in science that we can handle it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: For sure. That is just a fact of time. So long as a meteor doesn't destroy us.

Cristina: Oh crap. Do you see that last one?

Jack: Doesn't matter. Listen. Human cryopreservation.

Cristina: I get that one.

Jack: That's the basic one, right? So cryopreservation is an ambulance to the future. Keeping patients in a state of stasis with the hopes future technology will be able to revive them. Only CI members with funded contracts in place can be preserved. Okay, the next one is standby tools and training. And standby is the process. A process performed immediately following a person's legal death. CI provides instructions and emergency notification tools for members and non member cryo. Cryo what? Cryonicists alike. Member and non member cryonicists. Like cryonicist. A person who cryonatizes people.

Cristina: But wait, so like teaching people how to. We're not a member. We can still figure out how to do this?

Jack: Well, if you're gonna be in cryostasis, you'll be taught how to do cryostasis.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Or maybe. I don't know, I don't get it. Next is professional standby options. CI has arrangements with Suspended Animation Inc. To provide standby services at special rates for our members. These services are provided independent of CI.

Cristina: This sounds so expensive.

Jack: Could be ridiculous. Expensive. DNA and tissue preservation. CI will store tissues and DNA samples for members. We provide a special kit to collect samples and store and collect samples indefinitely at industry standard liquid nitrogen temperatures. This is a one time fee.

Cristina: And how does that help at all?

Jack: If you wanted your genetics to be preserved, to maybe be cloned or be regenerated in the future.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Like your first plan didn't work out. You got this backup plan.

Jack: Yeah, I suppose. And then the one you're very excited for. Pet cryopreservation. Over 170 people have chosen to cryopreserve their beloved pets with CI cryopreservation of dogs, cats and other small to medium sized animals gives your pet a second chance at life.

Cristina: Monsters. What? Why?

Jack: Why? Well, the good thing is that you will be able to live forever if this doesn't go horribly wr.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And it's probably gonna go horribly wrong because why wouldn't it?

Cristina: Probably. But why would your animal care. Why would they want to.

Jack: Who said your animal gives a. People will keep family members at the brink of death forever if it means they get to still have that family member alive.

Cristina: Depressing. That's so sad.

Jack: Reality. But they also have this little nifty video here. Gonna see if. Okay, okay. We just saw the video, first of all.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: $28,000.

Cristina: That's not bad.

Jack: It's not bad. It's not bad. If you wanted to be frozen, you could, like they said, afford this off of your life insurance.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now, the fact that they had to support their claim with so much evidence is the like, the fact that it's not just like, oh, yeah, clearly this will work.

Cristina: Except we don't know if it's gonna, because currently it can't work. Like, yes, they can freeze you, but there's no unfreezing.

Jack: Yes, as of now. But also you're gonna die anyways.

Cristina: You're gonna die anyway.

Jack: And if you're about to die, freeze yourself.

Cristina: But the science that backs it up. That was not science backing it up. Those articles are not scientists specifically writing about the company.

Jack: Yeah, those peer reviewed, probably. About cryogenics.

Cristina: Yes, but not about this specific company.

Jack: Oh, no, I was Writing about the company.

Cristina: Yeah, but they made it sound like these scientists are backing us up. They're writing about us like. No, no, they're not.

Jack: No, you made it sound like that. They're back in cryonics.

Cristina: Isn't that what they're called? Cryonics. That's the company's name, but it's also.

Jack: The name of the process.

Cristina: Crap. That's very. Come on. Come on. That's not right. That's not right at all.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Cryonics is what you're using.

Cristina: Yes, but then you're calling yourself that, and then you're saying scientists are backing us up, but it's not really.

Jack: They didn't say us. They said they're backing Cryonics.

Cristina: But that's their name.

Jack: Yeah, but it's also the name of the process. And those scientists are definitely writing about the process.

Cristina: Yes. It's still not right. I don't know. It's not right.

Jack: It's misleading.

Cristina: It's very misleading to you. What? I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's pretty crazy. But it is possible we could just take one of these courses, the one that's a class, and be taught.

Cristina: That's so crazy, because you don't have to even be a member to take a course to learn how to do it.

Jack: No, you don't have to want to be a frozen. In order to go around freezing random, unsuspecting victims.

Cristina: I guess. I guess that'll help us.

Jack: Yeah. So we're gonna go learn how to do it. Pretty simple. Then we're gonna use our time machine, go back in time, find Jesus and do it to him.

Cristina: Yes, but is watching that video free, or do you also have to pay for that? Because they said members and non members, so that makes it sound like it's free.

Jack: But no, I'm sure you have to pay for the video. Like, members get the video for free. Non members have to buy the video.

Cristina: Oh, so crazy.

Jack: Order to start capturing.

Cristina: They also have, like, a donation button. Like what?

Jack: Everybody needs a donation button.

Cristina: Everything is so expensive. Who has time to donate as well?

Jack: That's already rich people.

Cristina: I guess. Like, I guess if you're doing that, you're not gonna need the money that you have anyway, so why not just give the rest away?

Jack: Yeah. Like, it's already. You've chosen to do something that's essentially a waste of everybody's time. Now the question is, what if works? If it works, we're not responsible for killing Jesus.

Cristina: No, because we didn't. But we have to take him to a time where this works. There's still time travel involved. And we can't take our ship to. I mean, our time machine to take him to the future.

Jack: No, we're not going to take him at all. Jesus is going to wake up in the future from us, but we're gonna get the ice cube from Santa. Simple. We're gonna learn how to create cryostasis chambers. We're gonna go back in time with our time machine to where Jesus was captured. Jesus. Right after he's crucified, but not died yet. We're gonna sneak him, we're gonna put him in a cryostasis chamber, and then we're gonna come back to the present. Then we're gonna get Santa Claus to bring him to you, to your Christmas.

Cristina: Tree, because we need him in the future.

Jack: No, listen to me, okay? In the middle of the night and Santa Claus and bring. We're gonna capture Santa and now we have Jesus.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: We can get Jesus in the present. Then we're going to use our time machine in the present to take Jesus into the future where the technology to undo the cryostasis exists.

Cristina: How, if we can't take him in the machine in the first place, can.

Jack: Take him in the machine. We're just not going to.

Cristina: Just for Santa.

Jack: Just to get Santa. Who's the point?

Cristina: Okay, but then the second time, we're just gonna take him to the future. Okay?

Jack: Yes. So that we can unfreeze him.

Cristina: But don't we need the money to unfreeze him? Because these people are paying for the service.

Jack: I mean, it's gonna be in the future where it's free.

Cristina: Where it's free.

Jack: So it's gonna be easy. It's so easy. Everybody has a defrost in their house.

Cristina: Okay. Why would everyone need one?

Jack: People are being found frozen all the time.

Cristina: Okay. They're just everywhere.

Jack: Yeah, chances are.

Cristina: Okay. This is a great idea.

Jack: Yes. That is the goal at the moment.

Cristina: It makes sense.

Jack: Yeah, it does.

Cristina: But, like, do they have plans? I want to see if they have, like, different plans. Like family plans.

Jack: Oh, no. We have to get different prices from them. They don't put the prices explicitly other than the collective 28,000. You have to have conversations with.

Cristina: Wow, that's lame.

Jack: Perhaps we can call them and find out the prices.

Cristina: Nah, you could do that.

Jack: Have whole conversations with them.

Cristina: Nah.

Jack: The point is that we can take Jesus to the future. We can have the future people who have the technology. Un. Cryostasis. Jesus Christ. Assuming, though. Well, they have we just go far into the future enough for that problem to be solved?

Cristina: Yeah. How far do we go?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Is this gonna be like the time machine?

Jack: I guess we just have to keep jumping and hope for the best, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You have to keep jumping forward and hope this time we land where we're going because we can't jump too forward. Who's gonna even understand us?

Cristina: Yeah, eventually we'll end up in the past somehow. I don't know.

Jack: I mean, I guess. Well, not really. The idea would be society collapses in such a way. I mean, I guess it would be exactly the time machine. We're gonna circle back around to the beginning of a different civilization. In that movie, they just happen to all look human still, or to some degree humanoid. Yeah, but like, really, really, we're not gonna look that way. This can change. We're gonna be some other s*** if enough million years go by.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You know, this is how it goes.

Cristina: It's gonna be human dolphins, but can you imagine?

Jack: But in the future, we just have to make it to where they have the ability to solve the problem. And the first again, they. It has to be free. We have to go so far into the future that now it's free. Because you have to be able to get this procedure done without them, like.

Cristina: Ridiculous amount of bill or whatever.

Jack: Well, no, if you get to live, who gives a s***? Just ignore the bills. But they just simply won't do it if there's no way for you to pay. You have to make it far enough that that's not a concern. They have.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So one, we at least have to go that far into the future.

Cristina: We also need. We also need them to have figured out, like, how to solve every problem.

Jack: Like answer or whatever disease you have. At least whoever you are who's frozen or in cryostasis, wherever you are, your specific problem needs to have been solved at the same time that money has been dealt with and that they actually have the technology too. So the two sciences that need to have happened is whatever your problem is needs to have been solved and they need to figure out how to undo cryostasis. And economically, they need to have figured out how to just erase money from existence.

Cristina: Yes, very important.

Jack: Those three things solved will allow. That's the time period whenever those three things simultaneously exist.

Cristina: That's so far in the future. Yeah, so far.

Jack: Well, we don't know. Maybe it could just happen all tomorrow.

Cristina: They solved it by all becoming robots.

Jack: That's totally a possibility.

Cristina: It's the only way you can't get cancer if you're a machine.

Jack: But maybe we just figure out biology. We definitely are messing around with gene altering technology that might just kill us. Man. That one, that's gonna create super cancer. Second, that's also gonna create zombies. Third, that's gonna create literal monsters that are gonna start to plague earth.

Cristina: We already have the zombies.

Jack: We have the zombies.

Cristina: Yeah. That's why we were hiding in a. Oh, no, wait. We weren't hiding because of the zombies. We just had zombies on our island.

Jack: Yes. Unrelated to when you're hiding, think about what's happening here. Here. We essentially gave a bunch of people adrenochrome and then took it away from them.

Cristina: Is that how we made this? All right.

Jack: That's the only way we could have made those.

Cristina: I don't luckily remember how we made it.

Jack: I'm pretty sure it was the p. No. Crap. I think it was us. I think it was us by that point.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Me and our versions of us. I think those are the ones who did that.

Cristina: Those. Wait, you're saying us?

Jack: Yes, I think it was us. Us who were.

Cristina: Not another version.

Jack: Not a version of us. I think it was us. Us who were on that. So we're capable of astounding cruelty as well.

Cristina: Mm. Well, we didn't make it.

Jack: We. We bought that island or some s***, right?

Cristina: I don't remember.

Jack: No, we bought Dana White.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: A fight island or whatever.

Cristina: I just don't remember where the zombies came from. I just know that people can risk their lives and if they turn into zombies, we got more zombies, so it's fine.

Jack: But if they attraction.

Cristina: If I don't remember.

Jack: No, they don't.

Cristina: Where did the zombies come from? Did we just have one original zombie? Like, I don't.

Jack: Or maybe there was. Maybe there were people already working on zombies and we just confiscated their zombies because that's wrong.

Cristina: Anyways, that could be.

Jack: And we just. They're already there.

Cristina: Yeah. And then we got people to come to the island for the attraction of.

Jack: Zombies, which made zombies.

Cristina: Which made more zombies. But that was fine because it's already attraction.

Jack: And they fill out the contracts to go there anyways.

Cristina: Yes. That's part of being allowed to see the zombies is if you get bitten.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: You're stuck here.

Jack: Go to zombie island and if you get bitten, you're screwed.

Cristina: Yeah. So it works out.

Jack: True business, Woodman. There's a city and there's a game. You get a billion dollars. Right. Survivor. Last person surviving. $1 billion. Hunger Game esque thing. Except the city is closed off and it has zombies.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's it. There's a bunch of zombies and a hundred people are like, okay, we're gonna go into the city. Thousand people, whatever.

Cristina: More. Only one person can survive.

Jack: There's three. There's 3 million people in the city. Maybe not. Maybe there's like, you gotta survive there for 10 years.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But in that 10 year period, you know, all the supplies you'll ever need are in there. And will regularly go back in and hide stuff. So you can just keep navigating and finding crap. But you can't leave. You gotta survive there 10 years. Exaggerated. You can survive there five years and you will get $1 billion, every single one of you who survives.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But you're fighting for the same resources.

Cristina: Because I feel like you'd want to work together if, you know, like a, we can all win this money if we survive. But then again, the whole resource thing is a huge problem.

Jack: Oh, I got you. I got you. I got you. Problem solved. Problem solved. Problem solved. $6 billion divided by however many of you survive.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, once you get closer to the end and there's less resources, there's more reason to kill the people you're with. If you're with someone.

Jack: Yes. As you're getting closer to the end, the longer you. But he also. It makes sense to get a posse of people together so you can acquire as much crap as possible. Then not need to, but then you still know. What if there's a counter? That's all you really need to know. There's a bunch of zombies and there's a counter somewhere above the city or just on every screen.

Cristina: Everywhere.

Jack: You're always walking around and you always know how many people are left, but.

Cristina: Also how much time is left.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Because it's. How many years? 10 years? 5 years? Yes. That's. When it comes to resources. I don't know. It's gonna be fighting.

Jack: Yeah. You're not gonna know. You're gonna get desperate at random moments. I think no time is better. I think just knowing how many people there are and not knowing how much time there is.

Cristina: Okay. Then you won't. You'll have less fighting.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. Because I feel if there is. If you do put a timer.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And you use this timer to know what day you're at. As you get closer, you get more relaxed.

Cristina: I feel like you get more riskier too.

Jack: No, because you're gonna make it.

Cristina: Yeah. But, like, you're less worried about the People around you or the zombies around you. Because, like, oh, I'm gonna be home soon.

Jack: Yeah, everybody becomes a danger because you don't want to share. Yeah, everybody becomes more dangerous with every passing day. So as every day passes, you just get a little farther from people.

Cristina: Yeah, I probably would hide the whole time. I don't know.

Jack: You gotta last five years.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: How you gonna get resources if you're always hiding?

Cristina: If you're hiding somewhere that has a.

Jack: Lot of resources, you gotta get there first. How you gonna get there alone?

Cristina: I don't know. That's true. I don't know. That's sucky.

Jack: Gonna eventually have to rely on people.

Cristina: Yes, whatever. We should do this, though. We got the zombies, we got the island.

Jack: Well, we have to buy a city, close off a city.

Cristina: Why can't we just build a city on the island?

Jack: We could build a city on the island. We got a bunch of lizard people.

Cristina: Exactly. But what about Jesus?

Jack: We're gonna have him unfrozen, and then if he is in fact Jesus, we have solved a lot of problems. We got some overpowered being.

Cristina: Mm. So we should forget about saving the world and move on to this Zombie island movie show?

Jack: Well, no. What movie or show? Why would it become a movie or show?

Cristina: Become a show? Like, we can pay people to watch this.

Jack: Fair enough. This would be quite good entertainment. Yeah, but I suppose the point of this is Santa Claus, right? Yeah, because we want to get Santa Claus and we want to find out if Santa Claus is how. Like one. Truly. How overpowered are you two? Is that overpowered enough to help us stop whatever problem we have with the cam people? Because that's a problem.

Cristina: Yes. Or should we forget about that and go on to this Zombie island show?

Jack: You want to forget about Santa Claus and do this Zombie island show instead?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because it's more interesting.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Unless he's into it.

Jack: All right, fair enough. We can set this experiment in motion. Right. So we're gonna build a city on Zombie Island.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then we're going to keep track of what's happening on the island every week and report back with everybody. Maybe at the beginning of the episode, maybe at the end of the episode.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And we just let them know what's happening with the people on Zombie island that have volunteered to get paid. $6 billion divided amongst the however many people.

Cristina: And yes, maybe with that prophet, we don't have to wait to go to a future where we can't. We could afford unfreezing Jesus or whatever. Like, maybe we could afford the research.

Jack: Yeah, Just fund the research so we can unfreeze them ourselves.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Figuring out if we also have really good scientists. We do, but like, the fact that we would need to go forward in time despite the fact that we exist tells us that's a problem. It's just something about science right now that's making this impossible.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. So we do have to go to the future.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: No matter what.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: All right, let's do that. Let's save Jesus.

Jack: Save Jesus Christ for.

Cristina: I don't know how he's gonna help us again.

Jack: He's not helping us.

Cristina: He's not.

Jack: Santa Claus is helping us.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. For Santa. Jesus. For Santa.

Jack: Jesus is getting. I mean, Santa Claus is getting Jesus. Yeah, we're just getting Jesus.

Cristina: Using Jesus to get to Santa.

Jack: Yeah. And then we're gonna use Santa to solve all our problems.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. And we'll also be able to fit. Not just solve all our problems, but also understand what the h*** he is, where his powers come from, if he's in fact St. Nick or some other thing. And like where the. Did he give the abilities to everything in the North Pole or is there some anomaly happening? Is there thin places or magic bubbles or something going.

Cristina: Yes, probably. I bet that's what's happening.

Jack: Which one?

Cristina: It's just a weird place with weird things happening.

Jack: It could be. I mean, elves that can like generate random crap. A man in red with seemingly all knowledge. Again, how exaggerated is it to know everything? Everything all the time?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And you don't need to know. Ah, so exaggerated. You just know everything all the time. As long as you can remember everything, you know everything that's ever happened since you've had this ability. So you also know the past as far as you've had this ability. And you know the present that you can see at all times simultaneously.

Cristina: Almost like knowing everything.

Jack: It's almost like knowing everything. It's pretty, pretty exaggerated.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If you can see somebody's thoughts as well, you know the moment they know that they're gonna do something. Nobody could ever hit you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Somebody's about to shoot. You also know where to dodge. You're impossible to touch.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You know everything everybody's gonna do the moment they know they're gonna do it.

Cristina: He's got some superpowers. Yeah.

Jack: That's so exaggerated. Jehovah doesn't have this. Jehovah couldn't touch that with a ten foot pole. Some dude ate an apple behind his back and he was like, what? Why'd you do it? Like Whoa, dude. That happened in your own backyard. Literally.

Cristina: You gave it to them, though.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Look at this thing. It's amazing. Don't touch it, man.

Jack: There's a lot wrong with Jehovah, right? But you don't touch the tree. It's the only thing here. Do you?

Cristina: I don't know. Yes. Like, no, it was on purpose.

Jack: You can't just, like, it feels like a setup. It does feel like a setup. It's like when a cop puts a. A really nice car in a really bad neighborhood and leaves the keys inside and then just parks across the street in an unmarked vehicle and just watching. Make it obvious that the keys are in there, leave the window open like somebody had too much faith. And then you see people start walking by.

Cristina: People actually try to steal those cars.

Jack: Yo, these are setups, and they're all over the Internet. Yeah, you can watch. It's great. Oh, watching these videos, it's so beautiful. But it's that setup. It's entrapment. That's hella illegal. Oh, this is, like.

Cristina: It's not illegal for. For God, no.

Jack: Yeah, because he was. But also, that was Jehovah of dark. And also, you know, it's still not illegal, but, like, it is a setup. It feels really set up. Here's a tree. This very one right here. Just this one? Yeah. Don't do anything with this one specifically. Don't touch it. All the other. I don't care about the substance, but.

Cristina: You live right next to it. You'll see it every day for your whole entire life.

Jack: This tree. That's the center of this place, is the one tree you can't touch. No, don't worry about it. Everything else is fine. Nothing's off limits in here except this one tree. Don't you. Don't you touch this tree. I'm not gonna tell you what it does, but you don't touch it. You don't look at it. You don't so much as sn. You don't inhale air. This tree is around. Anyways, I gotta go. I'm gonna be over there with my.

Cristina: Back turned to you, even though I see and hear.

Jack: Yeah, I can see and hear everything that's happening. I'll be over there looking at that other tree. That's super insignificant, bro.

Cristina: I don't understand, like, because they understood him or they didn't understand, like, did he not explain himself of, like, what he was, man? Did they not know?

Jack: I never thought about that. That's a huge problem. That's a huge problem. They had no understanding. They had no sin.

Cristina: No understanding of anything. They had noise. Just told them, hey, don't do that.

Jack: No, look, they had no sin yet. Yeah, they had no sin yet. They hadn't sinned. So they're pure. They're as pure as God literally intended them to be before the interference of Lucifer, they were as pure as God intended them to be. They had no ability to make malice and only had the ability to make the right choice because no sin had come into existence. So why did they disobey what they didn't know, though?

Cristina: He didn't tell them anything. He didn't tell them what he was. Don't.

Jack: No, no, no, listen. He said don't eat the fruit.

Cristina: That's all they knew?

Jack: Yes. Why did they have the ability to eat the fruit if they wouldn't have disobeyed? They already knew. He explained he was God. And for whatever reason, you just listened to me and they're like, okay.

Cristina: But they still disobeyed.

Jack: But they still disobeyed. Meaning God's most perfect creation in its most perfect state was flawed.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, I guess because it didn't take much, he could not. It wasn't even peer pressure or anything. It was like, hey, go, go eat that.

Jack: Okay. The answer to the question is he can't make the rock.

Cristina: Can't make the rock.

Jack: Can God make a rock big enough he himself couldn't push? Well, he couldn't make the rock to begin with, and even if he could, he couldn't have the strength to push it. But no, he can't make the rock. And if somebody else made it, he couldn't push it because he's not all powerful. That's what happened. He couldn't make perfection. Jehovah within the Bible itself in its first important moment other than the actual creation. But it's for. God's first react. Interaction was with the creating of an already flawed being. Actually, the same argument stands.

Cristina: Yeah, that they were flawed and he had that apple thing piece. He knew he needed them to feel like, oh, they are the reasons they're flawed.

Jack: Well. Well, no, because there's also the. The one before that. Because God also made Lucifer.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Lucifer was flawed?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: God's never made something perfect. No, the lie is that he tells you it's perfect, but it always goes wrong. Entropy affects everything that God touches. It's all just 3D s***. It's. God is constrained by. D***, he's probably dead, bro. God's trapped by the same laws of physics.

Cristina: Yeah, he is.

Jack: He really Is entropy still affects everything that Jehovah does. That's crazy, because Adam and Eve were not pure. Neither was Lucifer. Even if the. Even if for infinite number of years he was following orders and doing it right, eventually he wasn't. It was not perfect. It just took an infinity to happen. But it happened.

Cristina: But it happened.

Jack: But it happened. Jehovah has never created anything perfect. There's no proof of it.

Cristina: No, I guess not.

Jack: Not even within the Bible. The only argued perfection was Adam and Eve before the apple. But why don't we ever consider that the angels should have been perfect. They should have all been perfect. Except some of them just were. Just like what? Did they also not know what the h*** God was?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Why would they just be like, nah, we could take him, bro. The fact that they thought that is something crazy. If he's all powerful and you know it's. Then no way you're f****** with.

Cristina: They know him. Like they know. No, in a way we don't know.

Jack: And they're still like, no. We could probably win the war.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: D***. There's something not right there.

Cristina: Yeah, it doesn't make sense.

Jack: Interesting. Crazy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Somehow Jesus is gonna be useful if he turns out to not be a guy. If he's not a guy. Well no, he's not a guy. We know that. Crap. He's useless again. He's just. He's just a vampire. And so were the apostles. Those are just the first people he bit after he drank a bunch of blood. D*** place.

Cristina: We'll still have Santa. That's important, right?

Jack: Yeah. And there's a lot of power there. Which is another kind of God.

Cristina: Yeah, he's the real guy.

Jack: He's a real God. Yeah, he is. Jehovah's two small potatoes, bro.

Cristina: Yeah, he's.

Jack: He can't even make even Santa's freaking plan to get fears perfect. All knowing really is overpowered. Yeah, he just has some in place. That works, bro. And it just keeps working.

Cristina: Yeah, he. He won. I don't know.

Jack: Literally Jehovah couldn't figure it out. You cannot. You have to just be a demigod, bro. I mean, some random dude Saint Nick just passed you. If it's ain't there, which you're gonna find out anyways. Anyways. Anyways. Too much crap. All at the same time.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We're running out of time here. Yep. So basically the conclusion is this plan could work. The whole point of this episode was for me to tell you to explain to you that yes, your dream come true. Of having. But it won't be in a nice block. So I guess it's not your dream come true, but it's some variance of this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then we'll catch Santa because we'll just make it happen. Or at least get to interact with him. Your dream, my dream, or not even a dream. It's a wish really. But it allows us to get Santa.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We don't have to capture him. We just need to find him, which is hard to do. And we'll talk to him. And in talking, the him will find out all the secrets. And we'll also have Jesus because he'll bring them to us. Even if we'll find Jesus, which will also answer a bunch of questions.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah. The hardest part is also the most irrelevant one, which is getting Jesus out of the cryostasis in the first place, which just involves a whole bunch of traveling to the future, finding the right intersection of events.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then getting it done. And then coming back in time with Jesus out of the cryostasis. So we have potential. Just guy or potential. Some form of a deity.

Cristina: We should probably tie him up or something.

Jack: I know. Because the possibilities that he's just a bad guy are really high.

Cristina: Yeah. If he's just a vampire, it's not going to be safe.

Jack: Waking him up probably definitely a vampire.

Cristina: And like putting him to sleep. Because we gotta put him to sleep first.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That's step number one. We gotta find him alive.

Jack: Well, we. We know.

Cristina: Well, he'll be weak if we get him. At the moment he's being on the cross, he's gonna be super weak there.

Jack: This whole plan is really stupid.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because he's probably just in a hole somewhere. Because he already can't die at this moment. Because he's immortal. Because he had adrenochrome.

Cristina: Well, we're not going after that Jesus. That's in our present. We're going to get the one that's in the past that we know is weak, that we can catch.

Jack: The one now is probably weak because he was a vampire then.

Cristina: He still wouldn't he still be a vampire.

Jack: Yeah, but he was a vampire then. When he was closer to the last time he had adrenochrome than now when they threw him in a hole somewhere. And that's why we haven't heard of him.

Cristina: But he's way more vicious now. He's been in the hole this whole time.

Jack: Yeah, but way weaker.

Cristina: Craving blood.

Jack: He's a zombie.

Cristina: Yes. Zombies are not good.

Jack: He's a single zombie. We can definitely tank a single zombie.

Cristina: Okay, but then how are we gonna get Santa involved?

Jack: Well, now we just have to totally wish for him to just bring a zombie Jesus. That's actually way easier.

Cristina: Dangerous. Okay, I guess if we put zombie Jesus in our island of zombies, we.

Jack: Could have zombie Jesus in our island.

Cristina: But like, how is that gonna help be helpful if he's a zombie?

Jack: I don't know. Look, you can find more information on stuff at our socials, usconvopod, everywhere, Twitter, Instagram and. And TikTok and stuff.

Cristina: Facebook.

Jack: Facebook.

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Jack: Send us emojis and stars.

Cristina: And stars. And the people who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth talk. Scream at them, yell at all the people, tell them. And then you're gonna be like, oh yeah, that show.

Cristina: And then lick them.

Jack: That's how it works.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal. Thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: That's society for you. That's exactly how the it works though. And nothing's gonna happen to these guys. Nothing. Me too. Movement goes. Came up. Too many liars hopped on board. Movement died the f*** down. There was a great movement there. At some point. Guys were getting outed, but some people needed f****** attention. Jumped on and dissolved it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The amount of liars overcame the amount of truth tellers to the point that the people who were lying were lying about people who already wised up to the fact that this movement was rising and saved proof. Holy f***. How long and how many of you were just bullshitting that you told people to just start recording your interactions just in case You're a sleazy weasel.

Cristina: If Kevin Spacey is alright, is he still alive?

Jack: Probably.

Cristina: I hope so. Good morning. Good morning, whoever Debate. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

April 03, 2021

Rambling 124: Jesus the Easter Vampire

April 03, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

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Did Jesus really come back to life? Was he really the son of God? Was he performing miracles? The life of Jesus and the meaning of Easter dissected on this Easter Special!

The duo dust off the original biblical scriptures and comb through searching for the truth behind who and what Jesus Christ was. In doing so they come across what seems like similarities between the story of Christ and Bram Stoker’s Dracula. What they discover as they dive deeper will forever change what we think of Jesus Christ forever!

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