Rambling 233: The Tanker War
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Why did The United States support Iraq during the Iraq-Iran War? Why’d the Tanker War happen as a result? What were either of these conflicts really about? The duo deep dive into the war of the 80s curious to discover where the clues lead.
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Topics Discussed:
- New Islam Ideology
- Inconsistent Religious Text
- The Sacred Lions
- Mount Qaf
- The Gateway
- Alcaraz Palace
- The Persian Gulf Conflict
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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.
Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.
Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And so there was a particularly absurd and baffling idea that I wanted to ground for humanity.
Cristina: What's that?
Jack: I wanted to know what the h*** was the point of the United States being involved in the Iraq Iran war and what the point of the Iraq Iran war was.
Cristina: What got you thinking about that, though?
Jack: The fact that we hate both of those countries as a government, like our government hates both of those countries. What was the end like? Publicly, one of our politicians goes as far as to say that they wish they could both lose, but that's impossible.
Cristina: Okay, is this war still happening? What's happening?
Jack: No, this. This is old.
Cristina: Okay?
Jack: This began in 1980 and ended in 1988. Okay, so a very, very, very long.
Cristina: Time ago, but currently people still hate.
Jack: The United States does. The United States is a racist piece of s*** that definitely does not like the Middle east and believes in bombing the crap out of them. Any ch. Obama made sure of that by removing a bunch of soldiers from over there and sending all the drones to continue raining a robotic h*** down on them. That's just what America does. Marka bombs the Middle east always.
Cristina: And then Biden took out the troops and left all the guns so that they could continue killing each other.
Jack: Yes, they can continue killing each other, and the drones can continue killing them as well. And our soldiers are nice and safe. Marca. Okay, funny, funny. Unrelated to this joke I was seeing, it was an interview, and it was Putin and some other guy having a conversation, and they were like, americans. If you're struggling with understanding what's happening with the United States and Ukraine, just imagine that. That Russia is the United States and that the Ukraine is like Africa or some Middle Eastern country. And I was like, oh, man. Oh, man. That's an easy way for Americans to get it.
Cristina: What?
Jack: They were like this. And then Putin just couldn't. He tried to keep a serious face and just, like, cracked up. He's like, that was too much, bro. Just imagine that Russia is America and that Ukraine is some Middle Eastern country. And I just. That was just too good.
Cristina: And what is our hate with the Middle East?
Jack: I have no idea. I have no clue. I have no clue what the h*** the Americans hate. I mean, before we even jump into what I'm Going to talk about.
Cristina: We're gonna go back.
Jack: We be. No, we just began with we hope. We wish they could both lose. I don't know what the beef is. Like, I.
Cristina: Was that said back then or was that said recently?
Jack: No, that was said during. Before we got into it.
Cristina: Oh, oh.
Jack: Before we got into it, it was like, I wish they could both lose, but. Oh, but that's impossible.
Cristina: Oh. Oh, that's.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So. So my curiosity was primarily with. Why the h*** did the United States get involved? Now, obviously, there's always the official reasons, but I don't believe any government about anything they say ever, because it's all.
Cristina: Like, for peacekeeping reason, some crap like that.
Jack: The United States always has their. Their reasoning, which is always noble and whatever. And so they're like, you know, the officially stated reason is so that Iran wouldn't win because Iran has an. You know, they're the bad guys for whatever reason. We gotta pick a side.
Cristina: We have to pick a side. So whoever sides we're not on is a bad guy.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Always for whatever reason. So I'm gonna. It's gonna be very apparent as I go through this what the truth of the matter is. I don't believe anything I'm ever told by a government. And as we peel layers back, we're gonna go through phases, and these phases are gonna reveal a lot of information. And we're gonna be like, oh, all.
Cristina: Right, so we're peeling an onion.
Jack: We're peeling an onion.
Cristina: All right, so first, let's try to.
Jack: Comprehend what the Iraq Iran war was.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Okay. So 1980 to 1988. This is the timeline we're looking at when we're talking about this war. Officially, this is what the case is. The war began because Iraq feared a new ideology which was spreading along Iran would spread to them.
Cristina: Is it a religion?
Jack: Yeah, it's. Well, it's the same religion they already follow. It's a different variant of it. It's like if the Pentecostals were like, we don't want Jehovah's Witnesses to force us.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Like, you're ultimately all Christian.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But this version of Christianity versus that version of Christianity, even if ultimately it's the same idea, they're like, no. They were like, no. And the United States was like, we side with Iraq. I don't. We don't even like Islam. We just. We're. We're ab.
Cristina: Wait, who was who again? Who wants to stop the other person from spreading?
Jack: Iraq doesn't want the new Iranian version of Islam to leak into their Iraq.
Cristina: And America was like, Iraq is right.
Jack: Iraq is right. Iraq is totally right. Yes.
Cristina: Don't spread your religious.
Jack: Don't let the Islam of Iran overtake the Islam of Iraq. Because we care so much about Islam that we were like, oh no, this version is the right version of Islam.
Cristina: This is insane already.
Jack: It's absolutely crazy. This makes no sense. Based on what? Like, this is exactly why I asked the question, right? Like, come on, bro, you're not going to tell me this, this reason you gave us made sense?
Cristina: Is this one somehow closer to Christianity or something? Like what is like, I don't understand. We're the freedom of religious country to.
Jack: Like, like, yeah, whatever happens, happens. Let whoever wants to spread whatever happened. It's not our business, but we got involved nevertheless.
Cristina: But that's a weird side to be on when we're the ones that ran away from somewhere else because of religion and want to believe whatever we want to believe. And now we're like, no, you can't spread that. Like, I don't understand.
Jack: Well, it would be spreading it onto an already existing, like, based on our rules. It's like, well, Iraq should be able to believe whatever they want.
Cristina: Okay, but the force and Iran would.
Jack: Be forcing it on Iraq, their new belief.
Cristina: How. How are they doing that then?
Jack: Well, I'll continue. There's a leader of the new Islamic ideology. His name was. I'm a destroy this name Ruhalla Romani. So hopefully I didn't f*** that up, but who cares? This guy was a horrible person. So I don't know. Based on the, like, the United States isn't going to complain about it.
Cristina: This is a government guy or religious guy?
Jack: Both problems already, okay? Both. Because it wasn't just religion. He was a politician and he wanted a version of political religion. Now we're starting to get a better picture, right? It was political religion that he was pushing. So the. But it's crazy because that already is what's happening in Iraq. It's political religion.
Cristina: He's trying to push it onto the other country or he's just Iraq. Yes.
Jack: So the idea, his ultimate idea is that he wants to unite both versions of Islam, the Iranian version and the Iraq version of Islam into one cohesive version under a main umbrella. And it's his version of Islam or not his version, but the version that him and his followers are essentially on.
Cristina: And we're like, we don't want peace.
Jack: We don't want peace and unity. We need you guys to continue killing each other at every possible Turn and we're gonna help you. Kill some of you, so that you guys continue killing some of you. Interesting, because we could have just helped the guy who's spreading it and be like, yeah, unity sounds pretty sweet, but no, let's continue. Instability, that's very, very important to us.
Cristina: Yes, we love it.
Jack: Yeah. We can't have the Middle east uniting. Then they become a giant country our size with equal intelligence and power. And then what? Then. Then it's. They're not a third world. We can't keep them in the Third world. They become the First World. And, like, we don't like that. We're like, state third world. So we can talk about.
Cristina: Where's the Second World?
Jack: I don't know. Australia. Like, it's savage and civilized simultaneously. I guess. South Africa.
Cristina: South Africa.
Jack: Is that. I think that would be like the Second World. Right? That's not a Third World country.
Cristina: Does anyone ever say second World? Does anyone call themselves Second World?
Jack: Does anybody call themselves Third World? That might just be some.
Cristina: That's pretty American. Yes, but.
Jack: Okay, the idea is there. Ultimately, they're trying to push this existing idea, this existing religion onto another existing religion. But politically speaking, yes. Fine. Okay, Fine and dandy. Why do we have to pick a side? Still don't know. It's still ridiculous. My guess, absolute instability is what we desire from the Middle East. We can't have anything.
Cristina: Is the world saying things or is it just our country that's.
Jack: But we're buddying it. There's not a lot of people taking part in this. It's really those two. And then us.
Cristina: Not in the uk, not even Russia. No one.
Jack: None of that matters because of the point of what I'm talking about there. Maybe they weren't significant enough to have shown up while I was researching this.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: The important people are the ones I've mentioned. The United States was the point of this question. So we're focusing on that. And as far as we know, not a clue. We have no clue why there is any interest. I believe it is to maintain instability. That seems the only logical reason we would be involved in this, to maintain instability amongst the Middle East. Because if unity happened at any moment, then what? Okay, so the leader of this movement had a couple of lines that he would quote consistently. These lines immediately caught my attention while I was looking at them. So he went out of his way to state consistently that this ideological government was an order from above. Never at any point that he specifically mention God or Allah in saying it was an order from above. I Found that interesting, considering most people in those texts will immediately cite their God above. He would say Allah, but never when he's talking about an order from above. I found that particularly interesting. That's the good part about having a lot of journalistic experience, spotting inconsistencies, and so those weren't in accordance with a lot of the way people spoke. But anyways, he believes that people were fearful of the truth and fleeing from. This is a direct quote. Fearful of the truth and fleeing from it and from the remembrance of Allah and the Quran. Fine. That line didn't catch my attention. He said it a lot. As much as he would say an order from above, but he would also say this next line that really, really made me go, He also stated that they were fearful of a lion resting in our faith. A lion fearful of a lion resting in our faith. Like, you're just scared of the big bad cat waiting for you. Make a move. But that's. That's how he was displaying it. Oh, you're just fearful because you see something big and you don't want to move. But our faith should be stronger. And even if there is a lion, you should walk into that lion's den.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: But the terminology was just. You could have worded this any other way. You're fearful of a lion, huh? Are you thinking about many things?
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But this immediately made me, you know, go back, look at a couple of things. So the lion holds great significance in Islamic belief, which is why it's weird that he would word it in such a way if you're also pushing Islam. What. What's your beef with the lion, bro? It's like, a lot of the time used to represent strength and wisdom, bravery, leadership, a lot. We've seen it in many other cultures. We've seen it. The deceased people have it. The Christians have it. The Jews have it. It's everywhere. Lion is everywhere. What is your beef, and why is that the example?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Something about what you're preaching is now different than what everybody else is preaching. Because you didn't like the lion. Everybody else loves the lion. You didn't like the what? Why? Okay, so one of the more concerning lines which led to the war was the suggestion that Iran was to fill the Islamic vacancy left for the last 2000 years. One which cannot and will not be questioned, which was repeated often in his propaganda. Okay, okay. You got way specific, bro. You got way specific. You're gonna fill a vacancy that was formed for the last 2000 years. A religious vacancy that was formed for the last 2,000 years, a political, religious vacancy. I can only think of Jesus Christ 2000 years ago, bro. Yeah, like, that's hyper specific. What are you talking about? What vacancy? Christianity, Islam became quite substantial belief systems then. What vacancy are you talking about?
Cristina: Do you have any idea? Because what does that mean?
Jack: Well, the biggest issue my concern is what you're thinking. Like, what the f*** do you mean, bro? But the way that Iraq perceived this is, and I'm assuming the United States too, because of one which cannot and will not be questioned. It rings in such a way. Well, first of all, it's absolutely cryptic and confusing, but secondly, it rings like dictatorship, Like a strong push towards dictatorship, which is presumably what the United States.
Cristina: Saw and be like, bad guy.
Jack: Yeah, exactly, exactly. We were suddenly like, that's against democracy. Now we got an excuse.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: He sounds like he's a dictator, and we don't like dictators. We go to war with all the dictators. Not to say that being a dictator is necessarily bad. I'm sure at some point in history there's gonna be a really good dictator. It's just humans get corrupted quick. But also, like, what politician do we have that isn't corrupt? For us to be pointing at some other political system being like, no, that's corrupt. Like, shut the f*** up. We're all corrupt.
Cristina: That's very true, points out the politician.
Jack: So I know surface details about ancient Islamic beliefs. So I had to do some mythological digging to find, you know, what happened in the last 2000 ish years relative and what the belief systems were. So let's unpack a couple of details of ancient Iranian mythology.
Cristina: Okay, so wait, before you do that, can I just ask one more question about this Fire the two, they already had separate religions, or were they already believing the same religion before this guy came? Like, what was happening religiously?
Jack: They were both Islamic already.
Cristina: Okay. And he's like, we're both like, Islamic. Let's partner up.
Jack: Well, they're different variants of Islam. They're both is. Again, it's like the Jehovah's Witness crossing paths with the Pentecostals.
Cristina: Okay?
Jack: So it's just different variants of them that are there. And I guess he had a version that a version existed that. That he believed in and he made particularly powerful with his group. With his group of people. Yeah. So they truly, honestly believe that this was the right way and they were trying to spread that, but in a political way, not just in a religious way. They were trying to enforce it politically, legislate and whatnot.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: They're trying to bring Iraq into that, to unite under this new. And the Iraqis were like, no, this is not happening. What we believe is right, what you believe is wrong. And we weren't bothering you, but you're not going to force that on us. Okay, now we go back into these things. There was a noble despot, which is basically a dictator guarded by two vipers. Now, weird. Noble and snakes together might be the only mention in any religious text that I have ever seen other than Norse mythology that insinuates a snake being on the right side of things. That caught my attention quite heftily. I was like, what, dude? Okay, you got mentions of good snakes. You're defending the good guy. What?
Cristina: But.
Jack: Okay, whatever. Yeah, I found that weird. Then I come across something called Mount Kafka. Now this mountain. Get ready for this. I didn't know about this. I know about this. The first time I've heard about this.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Mount Kaath is a mountain said to belong to the Djinn, a gateway from another realm, specifically said to be the beginning of the unseen divine world. This is an ancient f****** text.
Cristina: The sea people, they live in the other world. Whatever.
Jack: Sea people don't live in the other world. This is the Shadow Realm, bro.
Cristina: I know it's the Shadow Realm, but they. They don't. I don't know. They have mountains and the mountains can teleport. Like, it's not teleporting to here, but.
Jack: This is saying, Jin, this has no mention of the sea people.
Cristina: I feel like it's related now, but continue.
Jack: I see where you're coming from, though, but the mountain is located in the Caspian Sea, the body of water directly above the Persian Gulf. Interesting. We're going to get to a conclusion in a moment. Definitely fascinating that there is a mountain near the Persian Gulf where there are jinn and is said to be a port. Not only are there Djinn, but it belongs to the Djinn. And it's said to contain a portal from where the jinn are coming from.
Cristina: Exactly. Opposite sides are just things that come from the other side.
Jack: Yes, well, humanoids from the Shadow Realm. Because there's a bunch of other non Djinn things on the other side of the Shadow Room. But yeah, ultimately the human, quote, humans unquote of the Shadow Realm are the Djinn. There's a mountain called Kaath that happens to have a portal. There's a lot of echoes here of reminiscent things.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: But. Okay, we go on. And I find that there is a type of thing called the Da'. Eva.
Cristina: What is that?
Jack: The Da' eva is the name of the leaders of the Jinn and other creatures among the mountain, oftentimes referred to as the gods of the Djinn. Oh, very interesting. There is one specific one called Dai. Who's the big Kahuna? The biggest Kahuna. The creator of that realm.
Cristina: The creator of that realm, yes.
Jack: Now I'm starting to see a whole other image because I thought I had the same ideas you had until I did. Dug a little deeper and I'm like, weren't the sea People avoiding something?
Cristina: Exactly. Now I'm confused. Because we thought they were avoiding that God from that other place.
Jack: That's what I still believe is the case. Get the f*** out of Dodge. Because that s***'s right around the corner.
Cristina: That's where they came from.
Jack: That's not where the sea people came from. That's where the thing that wants what the sea people had came from. So they were like, let's get the f*** out of here with all of it. And so they went. The Atlantic Ocean is my belief, because the Big Bad is right there. Jehovah the scientist and whatever the other thing is that he was trying to hide the Garden of Eden from came from that mountain. In theory. I don't know. That's my guess so far. But interesting things we never knew about. Additionally part of the same. Also, it's important to say that Iranians are Persians. The same thing. Iranians is Persians is the name of that entire region, including the Iraqis and basically the Middle East, Saudi Arabia, all of that was Persia. Okay, so there's a place called Alcaraz Palace.
Cristina: Is this a real place?
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Alcaraz palace was completely made out of marble. According to ancient texts, the palace was colossal. A big city under one roof with its walls extending from one horizon to the other. And it was situated along the coast of Persia, AKA the Persian Gulf.
Cristina: It was a city right next to the water. So in a sort of bubble already.
Jack: And this name is actually in a couple of texts. I didn't catch it before when I came across the name, but this is the actual name of the Persian Gulf oasis. Like the main quarters.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: They had a name all along. It was Alcaraz Palace. That is where maybe the main politicians or the big bads or those, you know, the big kahunas of the sea people lived.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So there were.
Cristina: There was a civilization in a building, which sort of.
Jack: No, not just a city in a building, because I assuming there's a dome and a bunch of buildings. But this was the biggest of the buildings. The biggest of the buildings in the city.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: The big quarters. This is Mount Olympus of the sea people. Now, the palace was known for having a large library. This is just me reading parts of these texts. Large library, many books which didn't survive to this day. However, some books did, such as the Avasta, are still used, which is used for Islam. It's one of the texts that's used to enforce Islam.
Cristina: I thought you were gonna say it's a BC area or something. No, no, no, that's random.
Jack: Now, the picture that's painted so far, as far as I can see, this guy is preaching a version of Islam that disagrees with the current state of Islam that is there. He's talking about an ancient form of Islam and a vacancy that was formed presumably when the sea people left the Persian Gulf oasis and migrated to the Atlantic Ocean, which was roughly 2,000 years ago.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: That movement coincided perfectly with the lack of inner. With a sudden stop in interaction with an evil super God that decided to consistently torture, kill all this nonsense. Jehovah. Quote, Jehovah became good 2000 years ago and stopped murdering. This guy says a vacancy began 2,000 years ago. It looks like this guy's version of Islam is whatever the h*** the mountain was. Mount Kaf. He was on the side of the Jinn. That's the religion he believes should exist. Keep in mind, all of this is still Persia, Iran and Iraq. All of this is still Persia. This man in the 80s is essentially preaching the shadow realm version of it.
Cristina: Interesting. But then his goal wouldn't just be to have these two countries reunite, but the whole Middle east or just these two countries.
Jack: It's possible that it's about taking over the Middle east because he would start with Iraq. Yeah, but there are many other parts of the Middle east that are. The majority is Islamic. And like Christianity, it's a lot of different sects. So in theory, what you're thinking is what I'm thinking. He wanted to you unify all the versions of Islam under this shadow version of it, worshiping some sort of shadow God, the Jehovah of Dark.
Cristina: Who spoke to him?
Jack: Who spoke to him? Direct orders from Jehovah of Dark.
Cristina: That's why he said to avoid the lion or something.
Jack: Avoid the lion? Like we're fleeing from the lion. It's like, no, don't flee the lion is whatever system was already there, which happens to be every other religion is based on. But that's not even the point. Primarily the religion of the sea people. They worshiped the lion, specifically. Interesting.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Now, why did we get involved? Is still the question lingering. But suddenly when we get here, a lot of mist is lifted. Because why? Because they were made to. The United States wanted no part in this. They were obligated to. Because by the sea people.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: They were made to take part and preserve.
Cristina: To stop it.
Jack: To stop it.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: To stop the overtake. Because it's corrupt. They know. They understand, like, it's global types of bad. You're gonna allow them to take over. They'll expand a little more. And they'll expand a little more. They'll give this thing enough power to do what it does. And you're going to go back to what it was like before year one, okay? And nobody wants that guy out here. This was a push to bring Jehovah of Dark out of wherever he was put. Presumably Mount Kaf got sealed off because Mount Kaf's location is only known as the Caspian Sea. There's no specific location for it. Because one of the very things that's stated about Mankof is it could only be found by those willing to embrace it. You have to want what's there to even see the mountain.
Cristina: So he saw the mountain.
Jack: Who saw the mountain? The guy? Yeah, probably. The point is that the mountain can't be found and that the mountain was probably pushed away entirely. I'm assuming the mountain was absolutely normal, physically speaking, before Jehovah of Dark was sealed in there back on his side. So the gateway, the mountain and everything on it plunged into wherever by the sea people and whatever abilities they had to do. So, so the mountain just disappears.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So that nobody can access Jehovah of Dark, but this guy somehow finds a way or reads a text or something. Something. Maybe he never saw the mountain.
Cristina: We get some kind of connection to this God.
Jack: But he knows. Yeah, he knows something. Presumably God on the other side communicating somehow. You know, he could probably just gather enough energy to manifest and at least send his voice. And this guy hears it and he's like, God is speaking to me, of course, but it's the God of Dark. It's Jehovah of Dark. And so he commences this entire process, gets people on board. The movement starts to pick up. At first it wasn't a problem, but with time it started to build up more and more and more until the sea people were like, this is becoming a problem.
Cristina: Okay? And then we did something.
Jack: When they finally started the push into a different country, then they were like, that's absolutely too strong. It's not just with us. It's not just a faction within a country now. It's a country trying to push into another country. Yeah, it grew too much. Now the United States again doesn't care. We hate the Middle east. That's our M.O.
Cristina: We want them to die. Okay?
Jack: We want them to die. And the sea people don't care. They're like, whatever, dude. We'll let them do what they're gonna do is perfectly fine. Let them kill each other, too. We don't give a crap. We got out of.
Cristina: Got to protect this secret.
Jack: We got to. Yeah, we got to protect the secret. And they went over here. Fine. It's all hidden and nothing matters until the waves, the sound of Jehovah, of dark, maybe come back that suddenly. Oh, hold up. Now. We got to take some action. But they're not going to take action themselves. They don't exist to the world, so they need a proxy. Enter America.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: They're right next to us. They're right there in the Atlantic Ocean, right next to us. We respond to what they want. Had they been next to some European country, they would have bent their arm. But we're the closest, we're the loudest, and we're known for crap like this anyways, so send the Americans in to stop the problem. So then we. The war breaks out, and they start to help Iraq because the Iranians are following the God of dark. Suddenly, the image makes perfect sense.
Cristina: Yes. Yes.
Jack: Now, let's talk a little more about this war. The Iranian war began. The Iranian Iraqi war began in 1980 and ended in 1988. Perfect. In the middle of that, there was something called the Tanker War. Same countries, but this took place in the Persian Gulf. Now, the official narrative here is this was over trade routes.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: You know, because the war is happening. We're all surrounding this thing. Saudi Arabia, to current day, known as the guardians of the Persian Gulf. Like, at this moment for, like, a really long time. They're the people who usually kind of keep the peace in that area because they're neutral, according to a bunch of these other people who hate each other. They tend to be removed because they're also the most powerful group there. People just kind of subdue them. So they side also with Iraq. Okay, so we have another country enter. And they are also, like, we don't like what's going on there. But they only got involved at this point. They only got involved once it went to the Persian Gulf.
Cristina: Because of the trade routes.
Jack: Because the trade routes, quote. Because trade routes unquote. Okay, Saudi Arabia got involved. Now all of this is happening around them the entire time. This began in 1984 and ended in 1988. So this is four years after it began. They were neutral. They didn't care. It didn't bother them until it bled into the Persian Gulf. Suddenly they're like, okay, we're in, and we're not letting you guys do whatever you're doing here. Trade routes, blah, blah, blah. Now, this is just a smaller conflict. And what's weird about this is that both sides fighting for trade routes seem to be really fixated with establishing trade routes along the path where they both were. It said that the palace of Alcaraz was located. How convenient that where you're trying to set trade routes and that the second smaller conflict breaks out happens to be where the Persian Gulf oasis was.
Cristina: Why do you think that spot is important?
Jack: Because either the Iranians are trying to erase the history that's there or capture whatever was left behind. Something about that required. Something about that area required Saudi Arabia to stay behind and guard it. Okay, there's something to guard. And Iran wanted that. Wanted to either capture it or destroy it. That part is unclear. I just know that for whatever reason, in 1984, suddenly a second conflict about trade routes that just so happened to be over where the palace of Alcaraz was, AKA the Persian Gulf oasis. So there's a lot of effort here being made in an obvious, obvious fashion for what seems to be Jehovah of Dark, A missing mountain, the Persian Gulf oasis ruins or whatever we would call that. If it's. If it's possible that it could be ruined now. What do you think about this? This is crazy, right?
Cristina: Yes. I think it's happening. Or it was happening that the. That guy was working with him, I guess. I don't know. That's so weird because he was speaking to something.
Jack: He was speaking to something. It's so specific. It's so specific that he would say things in such a way that lions are the problem. Lions. You're fearful of lions? Why are you fearful of lions? We had weird. The fact that this is this. I'm totally thrown off by the fact that a mountain with a portal to the Shadow Realm and the Atlanteans are.
Cristina: In the same spot.
Jack: Portals.
Cristina: It's so crazy. That is weird.
Jack: Yeah. The Atlanteans establish portals on mountains as well.
Cristina: Yes. How are they really?
Jack: Unless it's not because Pegasus. They fly to the tops of mountains.
Cristina: No, we don't know that. We know they come down from Mountains.
Jack: We know they come down from mountains with Pegasus.
Cristina: That doesn't mean they fly up with Pegasus.
Jack: Yes, we don't actually know that for a fact. You're totally right. We know. Mountains. Mountains. Something is weird about mountains.
Cristina: Yeah. Portal technology. There's portals on this mountain specifically, that goes to the other side, to the shadow realm.
Jack: There's a way to get to the shadow. There's an actual physical gate to the shadow realm.
Cristina: So they might also have found that, and maybe that helped them with the technology to teleport.
Jack: I am thinking that. I'm really, really believing that they put that mountain away. I believe that the sea people went out of their way, assuming Jehovah is also one of the sea people. And they put away this mountain. They closed the portal, they got rid of the Djinn, they closed the mountain, and they made it vanish. Which is why it's a mountain that cann be found.
Cristina: Yeah, but did they base their portal technology off of a natural portal?
Jack: That's interesting, because this portal isn't a. We're talking the difference between a portal and a wormhole.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Because this is a portal to a different realm, as opposed to what the sea people have, which seems to just be teleportation technology.
Cristina: Yeah. That's so crazy. Advanced teleportation technology.
Jack: Well, we know they're advanced. I'm not sure why that's a surprise. That's the fact of the matter. Matter.
Cristina: Yes, but.
Jack: And, like, other than the mountain part, it doesn't seem to be connected. It seems very different. Because it never said, like, you go through a portal on top of Mount Athos and you end up at. In a different realm. Yeah, in a different universe.
Cristina: In heaven, they must have at least been inspired to put their portals on mountains because of this portal on a mountain?
Jack: It depends how old we think this mountain is.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Because you gotta also understand that Mary went through one of these portals that took her from one location to the other on Earth. So did they. This mountain, Mount Kaf, must be millions of years old, the way that the sea people are, and thus they use the technology, discovered this technology or adapted it millions of years ago. And that would be the case because if it happened around 2,000 years ago, then no, that wouldn't. Like, the timeline doesn't check out. You know, they already had it. And if this was the first encounter with the mountain, that they finally found a way to stop it, that there is finally safe enough for them to head over there and stop the mountain, then that means they would have never encountered the mountain until that moment. And they couldn't have taken the technology from there.
Cristina: The mountain disappeared 2,000 years ago.
Jack: Yes, from. Not necessarily disappeared. The discrepancy in text. Basically, it was just a mountain that belonged to the Djinn and the Daivi, or whatever they're called. And around 2,000 years ago, which is also around the same time that Jehovah of darkness just vanishes around that point is where now the mountain can only be found by those who seek it, by those who are worthy and those who are. Who want what it offers.
Cristina: Okay, so, yeah, it does sound like they're hiding it with their own technology.
Jack: Yes. I'm thinking two different types of things. Natural something, and the crazy advanced, overpowered technology of the sea people. They somehow plunge this mountain away. The same way they hide a literal island garden. Okay, Unless it's not an island garden. And these are all code names for technology, which seems to be the most likely.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But either way, they can hide themselves an entire city. So they can hide a mountain.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Presumably in plain sight. The mountain probably never moved. The mountain is probably a mountain over water or something. And it's cloaked.
Cristina: You can still see it randomly.
Jack: I'm thinking whoever knows where it is just walks in that direction. Think of Wakanda. It doesn't cease to be where it is. It just can't be seen without being there. But if you manage to cross and get to the barrier. Well, now touch it. You can see the other side. You can cross the barrier. Because it's just being cloaked. Yeah, it's still there. Now they somehow sealed whatever was in there. Nothing can get out. And Jehovah of Dark is trapped in there. He also can't get out. The mountain invisible, but the mountain still there somewhere. Mount Kaaf is on Earth. Somewhere in the Caspian Sea. Still there, invisible.
Cristina: Right next to where they used to live.
Jack: Right next to the Persian Gulf. The Caspian Sea. Basically. If you're looking at a globe, north is the Caspian Sea. Then you go down a little, you hit Iraq. You go down a little more, you hit Iran. You go down a little more. Persian Gulf.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: They are divided, the Persian Gulf and the Caspian Sea, by Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Those are the countries in between these two bodies of war.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: To the north, Caspian Sea. To the south, the Persian Gulf. And there's a mountain in the Caspian Sea. Totally vanished. Disappeared. Doesn't exist, but it's still there. It sounds like sea people technology.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Your ability to make things vanish in your face.
Cristina: Mm. What happened? What happened? It's like we have so many pieces of this story, many fragments. Yes. Somehow Jesus is involved.
Jack: Yes, 100%.
Cristina: Just 2,000 years ago.
Jack: Everything happened 2,000 years ago.
Cristina: And it's still question like, were they hiding from him? Were they trying to hide him? What.
Jack: What bothers me is that I just ask a random question out of curiosity, like, what was our point? I knew it would go here simply because of the one fact that it doesn't seem logical for us to involve ourselves in this conflict. And it evolves the Middle east, which is Persia. I knew this is the only reason I chased this. I knew where this was going. By default, he's a Persia because Persia.
Cristina: Yes. Okay.
Jack: Now I. Not literally where it was going. I knew what was going to be mentioned, which was definitely the Sea People. Of course, I did not know that djinns were gonna come up.
Cristina: No, that's.
Jack: That's random.
Cristina: Mind blowing.
Jack: But now we have very vividly another instance in which we've connected or gotten proximity between two things. Last time we managed to get proximity between Adrenochrome and the Sea People. Now we again made proximity between the Shadow Realm and the Sea People. And we know factually because we made in the past long ago the proximity of Adrenochrome and the Shadow Realm.
Cristina: There's still something missing. They're like. It's connect. They're dotted lines that we gotta fill out. What? This is crazy.
Jack: Something about mountains that keep showing up. Something about mountains that keep showing up. Portals on mountains. Cyprus had one too.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Portals and mountains. Something about portals and mountains. Interesting enough.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: The Shinto shrine design and pathways.
Cristina: I was about to. I was thinking about portals. I was thinking about it.
Jack: Yep. Just looks like portals.
Cristina: And one of those stories is Jesus made tribes.
Jack: Yep.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Yep. You see, you see how all of this kind of works together? Looks like portals, bro?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Shrines where deities, divine entities, spirits and ghosts come through, go to hover around, happen to be on mountains. And they literally look like portals.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: If we assume in Western culture, a single portal at the top, and we don't see it because nobody's allowed up there, but if we look at the places where we are allowed to look, more or less the same idea, the same people visited those locations, except we're allowed to look and we see gateways that look like freaking portals, we can assume that maybe these same gateways are on top of these other mountains. Maybe not necessarily on top of Mount Kafka. Definitely something else happening up there. But at least in Shinto and on top of Athos. And on top of Cyprus, there must be something that looks like these Shinto shrine archways, creating a visual that maybe there is some teleportation technology working in some kind of quantum state that allows them to just poof out of here and poof over there.
Cristina: Yeah. What?
Jack: But the bigger picture is hazy.
Cristina: It's so hazy.
Jack: Yeah, we have all the parts. We keep circling the same parts. Everything leads back to the same parts. I just asked, why did the United States get involved in the Iraq Iranian war and moved forward from there? We know we don't like those people. Why did we go help either one of them?
Cristina: Because something told us to.
Jack: Something told us to. Something was bigger than our dislike of the Middle East. They convinced us by telling us. Well, they didn't have to convince us. They're overpowered in ridiculous fashion. If they could, like, strong arm us to do kind of anything. But I'm sure they didn't. I'm sure it was like, look, this is what it'll look like if you let it happen. And they were like, oh, crap. And then we just kind of went and did our thing. Yeah, but the fact that it circled right back, this ideology that this man was pushing, that scene. There are people now still now. But then we see these politicians talking about the adrenochrome, these politicians talking about child sacrifice. We know of an island on Earth where children were trafficked to. Children were abused in many different ways.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: That's a fact. That's real. Did this island have a mountain, though? Did Epstein's island have a mountain, though? Okay, so. No, it is absurdly flat.
Cristina: It's very flat.
Jack: Well, maybe the idea is that this was just remote as f***.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Because can these people find Mount Koth? If they did, they wouldn't need adrenochrome. There's no mountain here. And that's why they need adrenochrome, because then you can access the other side. If you have access to the mountains, you don't need adrenochrome. I guess that's the break. So we're, in theory, we're talking natural elements of this side connecting to the Shadow Realm will never cross the unnatural elements on this side of adrenochrome, because that would defeat the purpose. You're using adrenochrome because you can't find the natural elements of the Shadow Realm on this side. If you could, you wouldn't need the adrenochrome. You would just use the portal.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So on top of the fact that the adrenal chrome could give you immortality and special abilities. If you crossed over to the shadow realm through that portal, would you just fall apart? Because your body can't sustain on that version of reality. So you need adrenochrome anyways.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Makes more sense to do that. And this belief system isn't talking about them crossing. This belief system seems to be about bringing what's over there over here over here. Based on the logic, we know Jehovah of Dark is over there. Jinn reside on this mountain, and it's a portal to that side.
Cristina: And Jesus might be over there.
Jack: I don't think Jesus is over there. And I don't think the portals that Jesus built have anything to do with the natural portal that exists on Mount Cough. I think those are unrelated. I think the Jesus portals are technology and they are sea people. Technology.
Cristina: But was he trying to get to the sea or was he trying to get to the.
Jack: I think the sea.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Because why would he try to get to the other side? They sealed that off intentionally.
Cristina: He seems very interested in adrenochrome. He seems to be adrenochrome addict. Like, I know they twisted him into a hero and made him a good guy, but those are the books that they put out. Yes, the Bible.
Jack: Because there is a giant correction happening as well.
Cristina: Yes, because they were on the side of his mom. She was one of them. That doesn't mean they were on his side.
Jack: Yeah, because the Magi's job was entirely to correct and suppress and protect.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So they went out of their way on top of making the Knights Templar, in order to also continue to eradicate any information and rewrite. Continuous rewrites.
Cristina: Which the rewrite could be that our hero is the villain.
Jack: Well, the rewrite. Yeah, it's rewriting that he was the villain.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And they did kick him out.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And they totally welcomed Mary, but they did not welcome Jesus.
Cristina: No, but they're telling us the lie that he's a good guy.
Jack: But those portals. Those portals. I mean, the portals do say. Fair enough. Fair enough. Nothing about Mount Athos has ever said demons. That feels technology. They just show up. It doesn't feel weird. It doesn't feel dark. But everything about the Jesus portals feels dark. Because it's Shinto portals.
Cristina: Yes, we know. Demons are there.
Jack: Demons, spirits, divinity, all of it. All of it. So maybe you're right. Jesus found the way. Actually, what you were saying before is literally what Jesus was doing, but not what the sea people were doing.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You were thinking the sea people created adopted Technology. No, Jesus did.
Cristina: Jesus did.
Jack: Jesus did. The sea people did not.
Cristina: No.
Jack: They were doing everything in their power to separate these two entities. We need to get rid of that mountain. We need to get rid of Jesus and not let them cross paths. Worked. Except Jesus is still a sea person. He has the intellect, he has know how, and he's some sort of divinity himself. And they knew the visions of this child would allure people to whatever it is that Adam and Eve and the Garden of Eden are. There's something weird and special about this child. And the kids somehow still, still f****** managed to make portals that allow at least lesser beings to come through.
Cristina: Yes. But not this bigger, scarier thing.
Jack: They're trying to hunt and they manage to kill Jesus. I'm assuming at this point now this is really, really probably orchestrated by the sea people. The death of Jesus was probably orchestrated by the sea people.
Cristina: But him coming back, was that because of the adrenochrome?
Jack: That was because.
Cristina: And then they really couldn't stop him.
Jack: They couldn't stop him.
Cristina: They probably knew they couldn't stop him, but they didn't know, like, they didn't know.
Jack: They didn't know the extent. They knew about alicorn. They didn't know about adrenochrome. He discovered adrenochrome. He discovered the technology to make the portals. Jesus is a particularly bad guy in the story. We know the Templar were going out of their way, we know the magi were going out of the way to correct consistently. Correct consistently. And they tried to convince this child of other things, but he didn't seem to give a f***.
Cristina: And they knew killing him wouldn't stop him. But then they got desperate and they did it. But it didn't matter because they couldn't stop him because he came back.
Jack: I don't know if they knew that ahead of time. I don't think they knew about adrenochrome. They knew.
Cristina: No, I don't think they knew. I think they just knew they had to stop him.
Jack: Oh yeah. I don't think they knew he would come back like.
Cristina: No, they knew they were gonna fail, I think.
Jack: How?
Cristina: Because they knew the future enough to know that he was a danger and that they really couldn't stop him. But they were trying hard. That's why they have all this backup and cover up.
Jack: No, the only things they knew about the future was, was the kid. People didn't have visions of the future. People had visions of the child.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: They had visions of the child and where the child was. So they to change where the child would be so that those visions wouldn't lead them there. So they got rid of the kid because the visions were of the kid there in the Persian Gulf oasis. So they send Mary out, and they're like, we're gonna move everybody. People already around the globe had visions of us here. We're gonna send you out. You're gonna have that kid on Mount Cyprus. We're going to then go move entirely. The visions are gonna lead everybody to Cyprus. There's gonna be a way for you to get from Cyprus to Athos and from Athos to our new home. But the kid won't be with you. Nobody will ever have visions of where we are.
Cristina: Okay?
Jack: It will never happen because you had the kid away, and the kid will never be where we're gonna be. So visions of the kid will never lead people to us. Thus, we protect Adam and Eve in the garden.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Now, the kid with these special abilities and science, know how. Found adrenochrome, made adrenochrome, invented adrenochrome, discovered adrenochrome.
Cristina: Something.
Jack: Adrenochrome.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And then something. Portals.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And the problem persisted. They were like, okay. They didn't know about the adrenochrome part.
Cristina: No.
Jack: They knew about the portal part. And they're like, this guy's gotta go. Like, I'm sorry, Mary, but he's gotta go. They orchestrate the whole thing. The guy gets killed. Put him in a hole. Sweet. Now they're like, oh, yeah, he's crazy. Not kids talking about coming back, whatever. But then he actually comes back, and you're like, holy crap. What the f*** happened? He surpassed us. We managed to take his life the way we would one of our own and permanently be dead. And he's still around. He came back after we killed him.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Problems.
Cristina: But then I guess he went to the other side. Like, why did he disappear, too?
Jack: That's interesting, because he did go somewhere else. According to everything. He went somewhere else.
Cristina: Probably did go.
Jack: He managed to find a way.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: These portals were one way. This way.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Because.
Cristina: Because he came back from death, he became something else.
Jack: Oh, because he had adrenochrome, he was.
Cristina: He became whatever.
Jack: Yes. He can access the other side after death.
Cristina: That was his goal.
Jack: He made a portal, and then he got killed. The portals are a one way over here. Yes, he got killed. He shows up in the Shadow Realm because he took adrenochrome. He already made the portals. He built his way back before they killed him. Holy crap.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: He built his way back before they killed him.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Took the adrenochrome, knowing it would happen because he has something. Something about him is allowing him to predict well enough.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And he gets killed, goes to the shadow realm, comes back through the portals that he himself built while he was alive.
Cristina: I think so. And maybe he's the one talking to these other people.
Jack: It could be him. Maybe it's the. The. Yeah. Because he can access. He just got to stay under the radar. But it's probably him. It's probably not Jehovah of Dark. He probably saw Jehovah of Dark and they're in cahoots. And so this entire conflict in the Middle east was actually the fault of Jesus because he was pushing farther and farther. And chances are he's trying some other way now.
Cristina: Right now.
Jack: Right now. He's always trying something.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: He's always trying something. Because the goal is presumably to bring Jehovah of Dark back.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: I don't know why. If you are a C person, maybe the. The anger of being cast and not being allowed with his people is like, okay, then f*** him. F*** those people. Revenge forever. But they were protecting themselves already from the s*** that now you're siding with. They were protecting that from him, which meant you're some sort of special thing that people had visions of. They had to get rid of you to protect that from him. But in doing so, now you're an angry person and you're like, I'm a side with him, then.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: The ultimate goal is to bring him back, to take them down and maybe.
Cristina: To get that machine to create more.
Jack: Life, if that's what it is. Yes. To get the Garden of Eden and Adam and Eve is what Jehovah of Dark wants. And Jesus just wants whatever Jehovah of Dark wants. Cuz f*** the sea people.
Cristina: Maybe. Yeah. I think we're getting closer.
Jack: We're getting closer to something.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Anyways, that's what I got.
Cristina: Interesting. Random.
Jack: All out of the curiosity of what the h*** is going on with that war that happened in the Middle east connects to adrenochrome. Everything does, because everything does Adrenochrome. Just in this one thing. We have Jesus, which connected us to adrenochrome. We have the sea people, and in the same breath, we have the Shadow Realm.
Cristina: Crazy.
Jack: The Iran Iraq war featured all three things. Very sparsely separated, but we've connected dots now. That kind of makes sense.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: We have a fuller picture because of this war.
Cristina: That's awesome. There's gonna be other wars that will point us to.
Jack: Yes. This is probably not even the first one. This is just the one I looked at. Yeah, I said it's just the one I looked at the end. There must be other wars we've gotten involved that make absolutely no sense. Probably in the Middle East. There's a lot of wars in the Middle East.
Cristina: I guess we gotta go inspect 911 again. Yeah.
Jack: And we're all Afghanistan.
Cristina: Yep.
Jack: There's things everywhere, man. A little bit of something. The Middle east is a hot spot for some dark s***.
Cristina: Yes, interesting.
Jack: Anyways, if you guys have any add ons, any ideas, any inputs you got, comments, questions, concerns, this is quite concerning. You can contact us at all our socials usconville Pod, that's Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, whatever.
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