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Rambling 298: The Grounding of Stuff Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised. Jack: Going live in 5, 4. Cristina: What does live mean? Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack. Cristina: And I'm your host, Cristina. Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And I think we've been doing that successfully lately. Cristina: Yes. Jack: So last week and the show before then, we were trying to get to what I was trying to talk about this entire time, but we got busy grounding things because that's our job. And that sidetracked us from getting to our one and only goal that this week we're definitely, without a doubt, gonna get to, which is, again, the fill people in on everything. And we've been doing this for a very long time. All we ever haven't. Cristina: Yeah. I don't understand. We've been doing what we've been supposed to be doing. Jack: Well, because grounding is our job, we can easily get sidetracked into grounding things because everything is groundable, if that makes sense. Cristina: So then we've been doing our job. Jack: Yeah, yeah, it's. It kind of loops back and forward to some degree, but I think we have some pretty good Grady greatest hits when it comes to grounding things. I think the whole Elation saga was beautiful. There's a lot, but it's infinite. And like, that gets frustrating. I think finding independent creatures that aren't related to them dope, and many things that are related to them dope. And it's funny because a lot of that, even finding the Elysians, really began about trying to see what the h*** was happening at the Bermuda Triangle. Cristina: That's where it started. Jack: Yeah. We were trying to find out what was happening in the Bermuda Triangle and then looking into clouds. Cristina: And then I thought it started with the unicorns. Jack: Well, that led us to the Alicorn that Antonio Dracohan. And that's kind of technically, that's the beginning. If this was a movie, if this was structured into a movie, the way that it built up into the Elysians. Right. Not even talking about the Elysian specifically, but a meta look at the show we were originally looking at. I think it was. Oh, no. Because then we migrated to the Groundhog. We were just looking at creatures and we were breaking apart clouds. There were some weird cloud patterns that we wanted to look into. And so we went through an entire breakdown of clouds, and then we veered off. We knew that the something weird was happening with that collection of clouds on top of the Bermuda Triangle. So that Allured us. Do you remember that? Cristina: Yes, but I don't think that had anything to do with Alicia. Jack: Not yet. Cristina: That was part of whatever story we had before. Jack: Well, no, because we were trying to find out what was happening directly under them. What was. What were they there for? Why was there a collection of clouds over the Bermuda Triangle? And I think then we looked into the groundhog, which I don't know if he ever finished his training. Cristina: Was it. Yes, he was part of training. To talk to the clouds. To the clouds? To get the clouds to talk to the sun, I think. Jack: Yes, because the sun is technically a cloud, too. Cristina: I think we were trying to stop some impending something from the cat People. Jack: Yes. Maybe an invasion or something. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Oh, no, no. We were trying to originally. Originally find out what was happening with the other stars disappearing in the great void. Cristina: Oh, yes. Jack: And we would need to talk to the sun to do it, which we. Cristina: Would use with clouds, but we thought we could use the. What is it? The. The groundhog. Because he could communicate with the weather. Jack: Yes, exactly. Oh, man. Cristina: The last one just died. So we had to train a new one. Jack: Yes. We had to give him adrenochrome. Cristina: Yes. Jack: He was Phil, right? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: It was Steve. Philly is the one who died. And then Steve was his replacement. A random groundhog we just gave a bunch of adrenochrome and started training. Cristina: Secrets of hogs is that they always were taking adrenochrome. Jack: No, it was specifically the one for. The one that they were talking to. Cristina: Yes. Yes. The groundhog 00:05:00 Cristina: that was chosen for Groundhog Day is always taking a dream. Jack: But that one died. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And so we were training one the way they were doing because we accidentally killed Phil. Cristina: I think so. Jack: I don't remember how we killed Phil, but we killed Phil. I know that much. Cristina: I believe that is right. Jack: And then maybe they don't even know we replaced Phil. They don't know. They're just humans. And then we replace Phil with Steve, and they have no idea. And then secretly we've been training Steve in order to talk to the clouds so that the clouds. Specifically weather, I guess, which was also bouncing off of when we were talking about lightning as a component, but unrelated to the clouds, because those are two different individuals interacting. Cristina: Yeah. So that's the idea. And then we're gonna communicate with the planet somehow. Jack: And then we're gonna get. Go on and on Steve. To talk to the clouds. The clouds would talk to the sun. The sun would. But still, something weird was happening down there. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And actually, Steve wasn't going to talk to the cloud specifically. There was a cloud with a face that we were gonna go talk to. Cristina: And we needed. Jack: Yes, yes. And we needed Steve for that. Cristina: Okay. Jack: So we were specifically gonna talk to that one cloud. That's a cloud. God or some crap. A demi cloud. And he was gonna talk to the sun or something. Cristina: I guess so. Yeah. Jack: Cool. But in doing so, we were like, weird that these clouds have. They're like floating over the. The Bermuda Triangle. And so we veer off and we're looking at different underwater things. I know. We were doing that for a while and we stumble upon. Actually, no, we ignore that for a while because we did Bimini Road, which we didn't. We thought about, you know, leading into the. Again, from a movie's perspective. It saw us doing these things, and then it shows us going somewhere else and discovering a different clue. But the. The. The viewer knows. The viewer knows. It's like, oh, this is related. The Bimini is by the Bahamas. A little tiny road that we looked at a long time ago that had the statues underwater. And it was like, kind of aiming towards the Bermuda Triangle. And we're like, oh, yeah, they're definitely down there because of xyz. Reason we still didn't know that the Elysians are the Atlanteans. We're just like some other people over there. And then we started looking into the Persian Gulf oasis because we were doing Atlanteans in specific. We were still calling them Atlanteans until we got to Antonio Draco. Cristina: I feel like before him, we were talking about the equator. Jack: Yes. Which was another thing related to them, wasn't it? But again, we didn't know. We're just like this giant equator surrounding the Earth. And it looks like these places built along this line were all in communication with one another or in communication with some bigger governing body. But they were all in sync with us. We still haven't found out what the point of that was. I thought we did the whole equator line. I know that a bunch of them died out. Is it because it was the line which. Cristina: Like, which Satan went to give them the tech? I guess it's easier for him to travel in a straight line. Jack: Yeah, I guess. Or maybe delivery was easier between the countries. So, like, we keep passing it down the line. We're all next to each other and he doesn't have to personally deliver it. It'll always keep rolling down the path. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Or maybe the equator is just the line in which the civilizations were Gonna be built like they were starting there. So we see them as just. Cristina: But why did they choose that? Jack: I. Why versus, like become a bubble or. Versus, like anything? Squiggly line. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Why a straight line, Right? Cristina: Yes. Jack: I have a theory on that. And I think it has more to do with Hermes. If you look at a lot of Hermes research, there were a lot of these symbols. He was essentially, if you remember, he was building comprehensive, like transmutation circles with a bunch of detailed symbolism and junk as part of meditation and energy moving and whatever he was doing. I think similar to the Hedron Collider, which is probably one of those. I think this line surrounding the Earth was the beginning of a complicated design that maybe was to envelop the Earth or a design that does in fact envelop the earth. And we have only found that specific 00:10:00 Jack: version of it interesting. Cristina: If it relates like, was he murdering them? Like, did they die off or did he kill them? Jack: No, no, no. Oh, well, that's another interesting. Cristina: Because we know the first. There was a different line and no one made it from that other line. Jack: So you think the Kearney. No. But the equator is just where everything moves along. I guess they must have done it ahead of time. Interesting. Interesting. Look at it like this. Look at it like this. Because this does have to make sense to some degree. Right. The equator gradually shifts place. The globe exists. And the equator is always by itself moving simply because of how rotations work and whatnot. So what if the line is starting to catch up? But they built society there and never told them. These guys are always working in secrecy. And the equator slowly kept migrating to that line. Slowly kept until it lined up. We know that alignments matter. We know the solaces work in Castillo in order to bridge a gate that allows people to go into the Shadow Realm and teleport along. So that's. Alignments matter. Somehow. If they built civilization, let's say north to south and started the line west to east, and it was always moving clockwise. It would eventually migrate from west to east to north to south. If in that moment something happened. Great transmutation. And all those people died. Philosopher stones. This could explain why some of these structures are some of the oldest ever seen. Cristina: Yes, they were. They weren't building on that line when it was the line. No, they were just way before the. Jack: Build on the line. That was unreal. And nothing they could track. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Or understand. Cristina: But someone did. Jack: Yes. And in order to get them to do this successfully, they did need technology. Maybe it was never about sharing the Technology. And the way we think about it, for Lucifer, maybe Jehovah man, we jump back and forth here real hard. Cristina: Bad guy. Jack: Who's the bad guy? Cristina: Okay. But Lucy was doing something sketchy. Jack: He was doing something sketchy. He was doing something really ridiculously sketchy. Because everybody was gone. Cristina: Yes. Jack: There's nobody there at all. It's all 100% gone. All that really exists is the ruins to that. And Jehovah recorded is telling him no. He is like, but come on, bro. We need this. Cristina: Yes. But we know he at least did it or tried to do whatever it was that he did twice. Jack: Because when he went to Shadow Realm. Cristina: No, because there was an old equator line that is destroyed of ruins and stuff. Jack: And the newer one, the new equator line, has nothing built on it. Cristina: It has nothing built on it. Jack: No. Oh, the new equator line is just where the line kept moving to. Cristina: Oh. Only the old one had the ruins. Jack: Only the old one had the ruined lines. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: If there is, we don't know where because nobody's thought about this. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And maybe it would be trackable. Maybe major cities line up in a way we never thought about or something. And then one day, by default, because. Cristina: It could be more than one line. Through the Earth. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Around the earth. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: We just have to find. Jack: We would just have to find to connect the dots. Cristina: Yeah. And it has nothing to do with the equator. Just. We just need to see that pattern. Jack: But you know what's even scarier at this point, this means that 12,000 years ago, we weren't beginning to develop. We know that their technology was crazy, but they weren't beginning to develop immense technology. They were already at earth scale technology. 12,000 years ago, they could just, in one shot, boom, across the earth, kill everybody and make. Well, at least along the line of the equator. Maybe they didn't want to erase humanity. Cristina: That's what I was thinking. That the whole purpose of that would be so that not all of it was gone. Jack: So maybe they don't even need these factories like Epstein's Island. What the h*** is that for? Well, then again, where it's two different purposes. Cristina: Specific people. Jack: Yes. That's to drain. That's for adrenochrome. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Versus something like stone. The stones. So maybe they've been able to make stones casually, whenever they want. Cristina: Yeah. We just need to find more lines. Jack: We just need to find more lines. On the flip side, wars are an easy way, and they're clearly in charge of the government. Cristina: Somehow 00:15:00 Cristina: that seems more of adrenochrome. Than a stone thing? Jack: We don't know. Cristina: We don't know. Jack: We don't see. In some instances, we see the bodies, but in other wars, it's just like, oh, yeah, some private attack happened. And it's like, wow, really? Or is it only when we drop, like, bombs and we can't go look at the evidence? Like, that was probably no bomb. You guys are just showing us a bunch of. And really, at the end of the day, what happened was you guys made another stone. Cristina: Would the bodies disappear? Jack: The bodies would disappear. Cristina: Okay. Jack: If it's for adrenochrome, the bodies would stay. Cristina: Mm. That's why most of them has to be for adrenochrome. Jack: Have you seen the bodies in most of them? Cristina: I think someone has. Jack: How do you confirm that person was real and not just another person? Just saying. Oh, yeah, I saw it. Cristina: Oh. Jack: I bet North Korea makes stones regularly. Cristina: Who would know? Jack: I bet there's human farms there where they breed humans. Because nobody knows where they breed humans. And then just en masse. But you dilute the genetic pool if they're always just cattle. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And you're just making the. There's something about the more complex the life force. Well, the life form than the more complex life force. Yeah. What is the rule? The more complicated the life form, the more complicated the life force. The less complicated the life form, the less complicated life source. It began a long time ago at Butterflies or some s***. Weird. Because we discovered a bunch of adrenochrome before we found out it was connected. Cristina: Mm. Jack: We found it through butterflies. Well, we've heard about it here and there, stumble upon things kind of pointing in that direction, then when they looked at it, and we found that through butterflies, that was, like, the original, like, attempt. And then other people throughout history, which I remember specifically, we looked into that were figuring it out in other ways. The countess in the 1700s or 1600, somewhere around there. It could have been the 13th. Who the h*** knows who was killing her? Her maze. That was for adrenochrome. And so we found, again, adrenochrome somewhere else, and we didn't. She might have not known, and we might have not known. But, again, a bunch of people did, though. So maybe she was in the in group who knew about adrenochrome. And although the people who wrote about it didn't get it, she knew why she was doing it. She stayed young, and they were all, oh, yeah, she was using it for her skin. And that was. Make her stay young. And it's like, no she was drinking that s***, bro. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: That's why she actually. That's why it actually worked. F***. That's exactly why it worked. She was killing them b****** and drinking it. And they were. The people reporting on it didn't really understand. They thought she was bathing in it, but she was just putting it in the tub to have a source of it. Cristina: Ew. Jack: She could continue to drink. I guess she was vampiring the f*** out. And this has a lot to do with the area she was in. They probably thought vampirism worked this way. We interpret it in the horror movie style, but vampires are relatively new. They weren't. Cristina: Vampires are based on adrenochrome. Jack: Vampires are actually just based on Dracula, and Dracula ain't even that old, so. S***. You get my point. Like, there wasn't a concept of vampires back then. Their understanding of a vampire was crap. Like the Countess. And like, Dracula could have easily been based on the Countess in a castle. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Attracting maids. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And drink. Literally drinking their blood. Cristina: It's the same story. Jack: It's the same story. And we found the Countess and we found a couple of, like, old school serial killers who were doing the same thing. We. We did that for Halloween one. So we were just looking at weird instances like that. We have a couple of really good Halloween episodes. Cristina: Well, didn't do any this year. You got anything for right now, this. Jack: Moment to do some Halloween? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: No, I don't now. We didn't do it for this year, but next year we should hit all the holidays. Find. I mean, it's interesting to go look at something that we haven't looked at for a while and with new eyes and find something we missed before. Cristina: Yes. Have we ever did a Thanksgiving thing? Jack: We've done many Thanksgiving. Cristina: Oh, yes, we have. But we haven't talked about the turkeys that we save that we pardon. I don't get that. Jack: We pardon turkeys. Cristina: Yeah. The President pardons turkeys every year. Yeah. He puts them in a hotel, keeps them fed and happy, and then he, I guess, brings them in front of people like the, like. I don't know, like the groundhog. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: And 00:20:00 Cristina: it's like, these turkeys cannot be eaten. Eaten. Jack: They must die of old age. Cristina: Yes. And I don't know how anyone keeps track of that. Jack: I bet. I bet that's the turkey the President eats. Cristina: Oh, that's awful. Jack: I bet some president was a douchebag and did that. If that's not the case, somebody was like, you know what? This is a stupid tradition. I want that turkey President. But no, no. Replace the turkey. Nobody's gonna know. I want that turkey. I want to eat a famous turkey. Cristina: The one that you said can never be eaten. That's messed up. Jack: Why? What's the difference? How would anybody even know as long as the illusion persists? Cristina: I don't know. I feel like you'll get. You will not get away with it. Jack: I. I want to get away with it. And then on my deathbed as president, I'll be like, get cameras and everything. I'll be or ex president, however that works. And I'll be like, for the world to know I ate that turkey. Cristina: That's messed up. Jack: Boom, boom. Will anybody give up? Nobody's gonna give a. They're gonna be like, he ate a turkey. Cristina: They're gonna say, you're a monster. Jack: If they. If it happened, like, the next day that it came out, they would be like, oh, my God. Yay, though. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Right now, most of them send you. Cristina: To jail to rest, to live the rest of your life to. Jack: I'm. I'm on my deathbed. Cristina: Who cares? You're gonna be in your deathbed in a jail cell. Jack: That's. I mean, I guess it wouldn't matter to me. Cristina: It wouldn't matter to you? Jack: No, no, it wouldn't matter. I'm already dying. Like, what do I got? Days. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Like, spend the rest of my days in a place that has to take care of me for a fact. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Whoa. Cristina: But you'll be in orange or whatever color those suits are, and then they. Jack: Die in a box. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: That's cool. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Concrete box. Who else did we find that was using adrenochrome? Oh, we found some Greek stories with it. That was afterwards. That was after we found out the Elysians. When do we find out they were called the Aletians? Cristina: Probably to do with Greece or Egyptians or. I think it was Egyptian. Jack: I think it was in the text that the Egyptians had discussing the Elysians, because they also referred to them as the Sea peoples. Cristina: And so did the Greek. Not the Greeks, the Mayans. Mayans. Jack: We looked at Maya a bunch of times. We looked at my. A long time ago without knowing they were connected to the Egyptians. Cristina: And we also, like, recently found out that they have portals to the shadow realm. Yes, that we think. We were thinking there. Jack: No, we knew they had portals to the shadow realm. We found out recently they were crossing people regularly. Cristina: Yes. Yes. That's happening everywhere. Jack: Yes. Cristina: And we had no clue that was happening. Jack: Yeah, we looked at that. Didn't know that there was this Entire civilization there went like two years without having any idea. Meanwhile, we found the. The villages around the world, including the one in Puerto Rico. That's a really famous one. All these groups that are just mixed shadow realm, Earth realm creatures found out. Cristina: All those people that were talking crazy stories about, like, I'm afraid that my child's gonna be kidnapped by a fairy. And then we realize, oh, crap, there's. Jack: They're onto something. They're on to. They were. It wasn't fairies, but they were kind of on the market. Cristina: Yeah, they were. They were close. Jack: They were close. They were close. There's a bunch of creatures kidnapping children. So it was based on some interesting y. Cristina: They were insane. Jack: No, man. It is a kind of weird road that took us here. Adrenochrome was a weird one. We found that so many times because. Cristina: It'S the easiest way. Jack: Everything, even by accident. I really, really. I always think about the story about the wolves in the. In the battlefield and how they would go out and like, when they were starving because the battlefield scared off all the other creatures, so they had nothing to hunt, and they were just out there feeding on the freshly dead people. But those people were in war, bro. They had just unloaded their guns, had the guns unloaded on them, seen friends die, seen bombs go off maybe in that time, or depending when. When wars happened. Because this was in the, what, the 17, 1970s, 1917s, and another one again in the 1950s. So there was bombs already. And like, this resulted in some crazy creatures, bro. Yes, that's nuts. Werewolves, which then, in hindsight, kind of informs our older story when we looked into werewolves and we found out that the natives would dress up with the. Cristina: Fur of the wolves and then turn into wolves. Jack: Not turn tools, but run 00:25:00 Jack: around the woods. Cristina: There was some stories of people wearing wolf fur and then turning into wolves. Jack: No, that's what they thought they saw. That's what the people. The. The white man. Cristina: Oh, he saw. Jack: Because they would see the. The problem is that they were with wolves. The natives in these areas would be wearing the fur of their family members who were wolves. They lived in nature with the wolves, naturally, and so they would be wearing the wolf fur and the wolf would be seen by the people who lived around there. And then they would see shortly thereafter, a native wearing wolf stuff, and they think it's the same thing. That's where the original myth of the werewolf came from. But the actual real world equivalent is a werewolf, a wolf drinking adrenochrome and then resulting. Cristina: The werewolf is a Wolf becoming a man and not a man becoming a wolf. Jack: Exactly. It's not becoming a man, but kind of getting a more bipedal look. It's very Pokemon. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You know, just transformed and now it's bipedal for whatever reason. So. Yeah. Cristina: I don't know. I feel like there are some men that claim to have turned into wolves, though. But are those just crazy people? Jack: No, because we also have people that were turning in the things. Not everybody has exactly the same reaction, but it's more or less the same reaction. We've had men turning into wolves. No, I don't think we've ever had people turning into the wolves. Cristina: There's a guy, I think for the church, he was confessing that the devil made him dress up as a wolf, turn into a wolf to fight the. No, the church forced him to turn into a werewolf so he can fight the demons or something. There's some wild story like that. Jack: We talked about it on the show. Cristina: Yeah, it was before all of this. It's way in the past of just talking about creatures not connecting to anything. Jack: That was when we were doing werewolves one and two, right? Yeah, man, I don't even remember that. Cristina: Yeah. I think he was claiming that the church would turn him and like a bunch of other homeless people into werewolves to fight demons. Jack: What the. Well, I don't remember all that. Cristina: I don't know what that is. But I know that they do have weird stuff happening. Jack: We know because the Church does weird s*** all the time. Cristina: Yes. They have portals and they also have items. Sacred items. Jack: Yes, they do, actually. Cristina: Body parts. Magical body parts of saints. Jack: Yeah. They hoard all the things with power they could find. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: But later we found out that was entirely because they were trying to erase the existence of magic and. Which is really just really complicated science. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And the body parts and things are saving are. Because think about it. They're saving a cloth that was protecting Jesus and he came back to life in or something. And it's like. Well, that was some technology that was reviving him or whatever. Or that had like proof of some residue of some kind of compound that they don't need anybody to know exists, you know? Cristina: Okay. Jack: Of the fruit or something. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: So they. They keep all of these things. They either have some kind of ability attached to some complicated technology or whatever the case might be, and they confiscate it all and hide it. Cristina: That's crazy. Still. That's pretty crazy. Jack: And still they couldn't compete with actual Jesus. Cristina: Well, they're. They're either Helping him or hiding him? Jack: Why would they need to hide him? Cristina: Because they're working with the. The. I'm thinking fairies, but that's not the word. I'm thinking. Who, Who. What is he? Jack: What is who? Cristina: Jesus. Jack: He is an Elysian Alicia. Cristina: And they're either working with Jesus or the Elysians. Jack: The church. Yeah. I think. I think we have three parties. Cristina: You think they're separate? Jack: I think they're separate. I think there's more than three parties. I think party we actually. I think. I don't think we've ever broken this down. I think party number one is the Elysians and their homies, like the Mayans and the Egyptians. Group two is Jesus and whoever's backing him, which is unclear. Cristina: Shadow people. Question mark. Jack: Question mark. Because we don't know. Because group three is a shadow people with Lucifer and all those individuals. Because even the shadow people who've joined our Earth Realm teams, we're calling those as part of Jehovah's team. Okay, so those are the Elysians. We have the Elysians there with all those people, including the shadow realm people that are there. Then we have the shadow room people who are a separate entity entity 00:30:00 Jack: made up of many Elysians and humans who've been outcasted one to the shadow realm. We got Jesus. That's three main group tied up there. Then we have Mab and her group of people somewhere doing something that's hyper unclear to us. See, we all never know. Exactly. Then we have the Greek that randomly pop up and are like always keeping up. They're like Piccolo. They're always keeping up with Goku and like how. Okay, but they're always there. And we don't know if any of this or even if the Elysians themselves are in any way connected to the original top of that, which is Jehovah's father Yahweh and his father Eloi. And how. That we still don't understand the giant leap from all of that all the way back to Yaldabao and how any of them might connect to what's happening now. Cristina: Yes. And we have no idea anything about Hermes either. Jack: Hermes, he's like neutral party. It looks like he helped everybody do whatever. Yeah, he's such a central figure. Cristina: But he might have even helped Jesus Satan with the line. Jack: He might have. But we know many instances suggest he might have helped Lucifer. Cristina: Yeah. So that's interesting. Jack: It looks like he might have helped Lucifer. It looks like he might directly be the teacher of Jesus. Yeah, it looks like he gave a johor who Worked or was friends or something with Jehovah. Cristina: And he has some connection with the Greece. Jack: And he has some connection with Greece. And he might have existed back with Eloi and Lilith, which suggests that he would have also been around at the time of Jesus, Jehovah's father, Yahweh. He would have been in contact with every single everything straight through. Cristina: Yes. Jack: I don't understand how. Because he is a God, he might actually be. Everybody else is some being that got there. He might actually. Dude, based on how we're describing him, right? Cristina: Yes. Jack: He goes everywhere, lives immortally, contacts everybody. Now, here's an interesting part about Hermes, which, based on his talks, might make sense. Let's say Hermes does come around in the year 12,000 BC, right? That's when he's born, not before then. But what do his lessons teach us? He says the fabric of reality itself is up to you to move around and control as you please. If you understand my teachings, you can just casually move in and out. Nothing matters. Nothing is of consequence. Everything is readjustable. Could it be that although he began there, he easily just shows up in the past? Is that a capability of his? Yes, because we know many necromancers can just f*** with time. Cristina: He can too. Yeah, I guess. Jack: Just poof. So he was born recently, but he could just be back there? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And that explains him showing up everywhere. He became he again. He was just a creature that became a God beyond anything all these other people could even fathom. Cristina: Mm. Except for Jesus, maybe. Jack: Well, he taught Jesus. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: It to this moment, it kind of does almost look like Hermes over Jesus. So if we were to just calculate their abilities and what they've done. Cristina: Yeah, but if Jesus gets to actually ex. Goes follows those principles that he has to teach, like what makes the difference, what makes him under. Jack: It looks like Hermes can cross into the fairy realm. It does not seem like Jesus can. As far as we know. Cristina: As far as we know. Jack: As far as we know. Cristina: Exactly. I don't know. That doesn't really. Jack: Only based on what we've found, he. He hasn't. Maybe we'll find something different to the contrary. But as of now, it looks like Hermes is the only one who's figured out how to enter this other space. With all of the efforts that everybody else has. I haven't seen a mention of Jesus doing that. Cristina: Well, maybe that story of him going into heaven. What does that mean. Jack: Going into heaven? Cristina: Yeah. And the end of his story before he comes back to Earth, like, what is that? I don't Know exactly. Jack: He dips out. Cristina: Could that be him exiting? Jack: But then that means he's always behind. He didn't just inherently have the ability like these other 00:35:00 Jack: things. He discovered that like a science. Which means that Hermes mastered it. He's a beginner at it. Hermes is still above. Cristina: Yeah, but that doesn't mean he can't get to that point. Like once you got it, you got it. Jack: He has a head start. Is he gonna. Is Hermes gonna continue getting better or is there a top? Which means if there's a top, they can catch up and land there. If not, then. Because again, if it's science, you can keep pushing it. Oh yeah, you can continue to push it. Cristina: But I think Jesus is still up there. Jack: He would be number two. I'm thinking he's number two. Cristina: Yeah. Because he did escape. I think he might have gone there. I think that was the story. Jack: And that's simply because we cannot rank things from Elfame. We have no idea. Yeah, it's possible. Those things are way more complicated in ways we couldn't comprehend. Cristina: But he might have gone into alpha and then came back. Jack: Yes. Cristina: I think that's. That's the story to say that. Yes. Jack: Right. But yeah, no, 100%. But that doesn't make him. I still think we've discovered that there is less appearance of Hermes. He's more rare to come across. So he's better at being invisible. He's been around longer, so there should be more of him. But he is good at being invisible. Cristina: But also he's using much of different names. I don't know. Jack: He always goes by Hermes. Cristina: He does. Oh yes, he does. It's Jesus that goes by different names. Jack: Jesus goes by different names and is still nowhere as elusive. Cristina: Okay. Jack: We don't know necessarily anything about what Hermes looks like. We just know he was robed. He was nice and discreet. Okay, he was robed. We have no descriptors for his face. We. We know just the things surrounding his robe. His face is usually in shadow and the robe itself was very dark. Gave look to that traditional necromancer thing, secrecy and privacy. So they adopted the look. Cristina: The necromancers. Jack: The necromancers adopt the look. That's also why we always see Jesus robed up. Everybody else might have layers to the robes, tuck ins on their ways. But Jesus wore like gown style things. It was very necromancer. And he's known for having the scarf with the hood. Cristina: That's not Mary. Are you sure? Jack: Jesus had the same thing. I guess Mary was also trying to be private. Oh, but that's logical. And the most important facet here is. I mean, Jesus would have to become a more more complicated threat eventually because he's still half Elysian. Cristina: Yeah. What is a Hermes? Jack: Human. Cristina: How do we know he's not half. How do. Jack: We don't know. We just know that you have to be human to be an echromancer. Cristina: Yes, but Jesus proves you could just be half human. Like you don't have to be full human. Jack: Jesus proves you could be half human. This brings up an interesting problem and it totally explains the Elysians not wanting Elysian men or women to breed with humans. Because nephilim that become necromancers may be problematic. Cristina: Yes. Yeah. Jack: Is the fear the necromancers, the few necromancers we know about are problematic. And then there's Hermes, who seems undefeatable by any standard we could imagine. Cristina: But then you think they'd be an enemy with him, but there don't seem to be. Even though they fear everything he is, they don't want another version of him. Jack: I mean, everybody's trying. Think about what the requirements were for the Golem. Think about what the requirements were for Jesus. You have to be able to cross all three thresholds seamlessly. What? Who's the only other individual we know who could do that? It's Hermes they're trying to imitate Hermes. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Right. And he ain't a fairy. They just know a human learned how to do the thing and that for whatever reason, Elysians can't be necromancers. Cristina: Yes, but they don't want to make more. They do and they don't. They don't want it. Jack: You want to control them. They want to be able to make a necromancer and control it. Cristina: Hence the creation of like things like Jesus. No more. Jack: Jesus was a problem. Yeah. Think of not Alexander. Was it Alexander? No, the. The sword guy. 00:40:00 Cristina: The sword guy. Jack: Who was being tricked? Arthur. King Arthur. Who was being tricked by Merlin. By Merlin. But the whole goal of that instance was a necromancer or not a necromancer. A person with the ability to cross between thresholds who could be controlled. Cristina: But he was all human. As far as I know. Jack: He was all human. Yes. And he was too easy to control. It became problematic. And we know that Merlin was an elation. Or is an elation. I don't know if that guy still around. But Hermes equals. I mean, not Hermes, Merlin. Equal elation. Cristina: He has to be half. Jack: He has to be half. Yes. You're Right, because how is he? And that's why he's whack. Cristina: Why is he whack? Jack: Because the more human you are. Cristina: So you think he's more than half human? Jack: No, he's the whack necromancer. Merlin is whack because. Because he is half and half. Cristina: But you have to be half and half. Jack: No, you have to be human. Cristina: Oh, but Jesus is half and half. And that he's not. Jack: Isn't half and half. Cristina: You think he's human. Okay, psychic abilities. Jack: Stories give us some details here to fill in for this thought, but I have some filler ideas. Right. For some blank areas. The stories emphasize how important Mary is, not just to the cause, but to Joseph. Joseph is a magi. A magi. And he is one of the other three who will later show up. He was her personal escort. They are Alician soldiers of some sort. Cristina: Okay, right. That's her man, though. Jack: No, that's the lie they're telling. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: But where you're getting at is where I think was maybe intentionally left out. The Bible tells us he's her man. Of course, the Bible is foolish and made up in order to suppress the truth. But the Bible tells us. So what motivation did the Bible have to tell us he was her man? Why wasn't he just her brother? She was gonna be a virgin and have a husband. Cristina: Yeah, that's weird. But weird. Jack: Could have. Any other narrative could have been spun there. Yeah, maybe. Maybe he was human and that's why he was different from the other Magi. Just like Mary was human. Because we know that child is part of Jehovah's DNA. But maybe the intention was to water it down and so it's not just Jehovah. What part of this do you need science for? Where was the experiment taking place in? Well, maybe both of them are the bad. Thus he's only one third Elysian. Cristina: Oh, crap. Okay, those make it more interesting. Jack: Interesting. So he has as much stake in this as the Elysians, but, you know, you're also just a human bro. We can get rid of you quite easily. So you're just gonna escort her? Well, you got bodyguards are gonna be watching, and they're gonna show up when it matters. You're gonna see them, and you just gotta take her over there. Where does he go when he gets. He just vanishes. The story just cuts off. We assume he left with the other Maggie, but he just. His story just ends. So what is that about? Well, his purpose was complete. He probably died off. Cristina: He died off. No, he died off. Jack: They get. They get to older age. Oh, but like, what's his. Why do we stop talking about him so heftily? It's because of this reason. He is really inconsequential, but is part of the equation, which is why he was actually present there the whole time. He's like, no, it's my Katu and I'm gonna follow this lady. Cristina: Okay. We just couldn't say, yeah, they were. Jack: The chosen ones to some degree, but it was just human. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You know, And I think that was a way of diluting some science was used in order to dilute elation DNA. Even if elation DNA is better for stones, they're not going to get rid of themselves. So they could easily run this tech, but no humans. But in order to make a necromancer, you need human. And they want one that they can control. But I don't know if they have Hermes, why they would need to. I don't get that part. But Hermes himself then trained Jesus. He's so neutral. 00:45:00 Cristina: He doesn't. He seems like part of the group, but he doesn't seem like part of their group. Jack: I think he literally isn't part of their group. I think he's just friends with Jehovah. And everybody must respect his neutrality because what are you gonna do about it? The fact that he's blessing you with his time is good enough. Cristina: But then he gets to train the guy that they offer, cuz that guy went to him. Jack: Again, neutrality doesn't matter who comes or what you want. I can do whatever. Cristina: Mm. Jack: I'll help you with limits. I don't hurt others or whatever. But what you do, but what I gave you is up to you. Cristina: Crazy. Jack: So everybody comes for something different. It's like, yes, he's really God about it, to the point that even Jesus goes to him on record. Yeah, well, Emmanuel. Emmanuel goes to him and it's like, bro, this dude moves like real omniscience. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Move through time, influence, whatever. Yeah. Oh, you said your grandfather needed what? Okay, I'll go back and I'll. Cristina: That's weird. Jack: Yeah, whatever, dude. Oh, no, I can't do that. I'm not gonna go get rid of the people. No, I can't do that. You need the. Oh, yeah, yeah, I can make the thing. Whatever you do with it, that's up to you. I don't give a crap. It's your choice. If it affects me, I'll bring him back. I don't care. Cristina: Real omniscience, okay. Jack: He moves like that, right? He has that feel if I don't care what happens, I don't care. I don't care what. I'm not doing it, but I don't care what happens. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And then he can adjust whatever in his favor. That's so impressive and everything. Again, if we look at the whack, watered down, non knowing necromancers, it's still like, d***, son. All of them except St. Patrick seem capable of controlling time. They're watered down. All of them. They're. They're whacker than Jesus. And Jesus can't mess with Hermes. That's where we are. They can control f****** time. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: It looks like maybe Santa, St. Nicholas is like real top tier op. Maybe third in line here because of how exaggerated he is. But it could just be time control that he looks like he's everywhere freezes, everything goes everywhere, takes him a long time. Then time moves forward again. Cristina: It's still really exaggerating. I don't know. It's pretty powerful stuff. Jack: Pretty powerful stuff. He also has deals with what seem to be actual fairies. Actual fairies? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Which is like, d***, how do you do that? Yeah. Cristina: Yeah. Maybe they're not fairies. Maybe they're shadow worm creatures. Jack: They could be shadow worm creatures, but they can. We don't know shadow creatures that fit those suits. But we know fairies that do. Cristina: It's just too weird. Jack: It's weird. Cristina: It doesn't make sense to anything. Jack: But again, maybe he's. He does appear to stay neutral as well. So maybe the fairies aren't siding with him. And maybe the fairies aren't trying to stop Hermes. Who are the fairies trying to stop? All the people trying to imitate Hermes. Fair people don't care about Hermes. Why? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: Doesn't seem to be f****** with them. Neutral. The people who are like, we want infinite power. They get elf slapped on top. Stop their progress, please. Cristina: Okay. Jack: But Hermes clearly already capable. They're like, whatever. Interesting. They're scared of power hungry people because if they cross out, they're coming for us. Cristina: Okay, Jesus, kill off Marilyn and Jesus. Jack: Jesus is a problem because Jesus is the one that slipped through. And although Jesus isn't aiming to hurt them, Jesus seems to be on a revenge path. Right. Is his goal the Elysians or could he easily deal with the Elysians? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: Because if they are is infinitely trying to get stronger. And they're infinitely trying to get stronger. So he must again try to get stronger. So they must again try to get stronger. And now it's gotten to the point that they reach the Elfame just trying to get stronger than each other. And then they're just consuming everything around them in a war between each other. And that's the fear. That's why it didn't look like anybody was after anybody specific and that the Elfame was just fight. Who are we scared of? And it's like this guy or that guy or what? No, both. Cristina: Both. Jack: But it's not about them going after you. They don't care about you. They're. They're Borg. They're infinitely power hungry the way humans are. Okay, we want more. But it's about getting rid of each other. Cristina: It could be that very. It feels very Dragon Ball Z. Jack: Like just like always. Upscale. Cristina: Stronger. Yeah. Jack: And it doesn't stop. We've gone out of the realm. Man. I remember the ah, memories. What the good old days when we just thought creatures here, creatures there. Maybe some aliens, maybe an alien or two local 00:50:00 Jack: that can't, you know, lives in space between planets. Because why would it try? How would it travel from super far? They couldn't. It's just a biological something living in space to finding out no crap could travel. And here's the science behind it. Stars away, stars across, galaxies across. Until getting to the point of like nah. There's entire clusters of stars completely captured. Because escaping the entire universe is totally possible. And there's multiple of these things. And here's some science behind it to dimensions and realms. It's like I remember the good old days back then when it was so simple. Now. Now we have interdimensional multi realm existing different creatures of different magnitudes of development tied in infinite ways with each other and in different ways. All scientific. Cristina: They're trying to get up there, up somewhere there. Jack: So complicated. So, so complicated. It's ridiculous. It is good old days of just hey, vampires and zombies. You remember comparing vampires and zombies and they both need blood. Which it totally should have filled us in on so much. Totally should have. Because we erased it slowly from zombies to say that they were after blood. But zombies were after blood at the beginning of the invention of talking about zombies. But maybe the creators of zombies thought oh this too on the nose. It's too close. So I'm just gonna connect the dots. And so we slowly phased out zombies going for blood. And then they just became science zombies. The way like oh, vile. We're trying to cure cancer. But. But it was always science. Cristina: It was always science. Jack: Adrenochrome. Oh the science in a different way. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: We they try to block us off of certain paths of science so that we don't get informed on those things like realms and crap like that. That must use biological and physically tangible science applications in order to to interact with. But the laws were taught to build upon exclude the factors that would lead us in those directions so that only those who know about them can know about them. Esoteric knowledge everywhere. You know, it's funny, that reminds me that Wet Judges was the same story as zombies. We had. We were just going through different creatures and we found out that this creature existed and that it was the. The result of something unknown. But this is what the creature behaves like. And it's not a shadow Realm. Creatures opposite to a win dingo. But they both turned out shadow room creatures. But there was some difference between them that we were like one comes from this and the other one kind of sorta. Eventually we discovered wolves. And both of these things shared a lot of characteristics. And that episode involved the connection of well, this is how a wolf biologically becomes. And this is how wolf biologically becomes that one. I believe the Wet Judge is the feral shadow realm version of a wolf. And the Windingo is the in control shadow realm version of a wolf. And both of those we found in isolation separate because we were just doing episodes about creatures. Cristina: But what do they have to do with the Shadow Realm? Jack: Adrenochrome. And they're both shadow realm creatures. Cristina: Okay. But they're based off of wolves and the wolves are from here, not from the shadow Realm. Jack: Exactly. Were wolf. Well, wolf can wolf takes adrenochrome the stages of a wolf as they would break apart. A wolf can sue. Let's take one of these 1950, 1940. Like six werewolves from the battlefield. Battlefield night people hiding. It sneaks up in the shadows and starts eating and drinking some of the blood. Because it's dies or. No, no, let me get there. It's gonna turn into. In consuming so much of it. A werewolf. Cristina: Mm. Jack: The werewolf is just the in control version of the wolf. Now two wolves came. They were talking about two separate wolves from the same pack. They came. They ate the same body. During the werewolves, both of them became werewolves. One of them was smart enough to consider coming back and the other one was a little cower. And as soon as it heard people ran away so they didn't consume the next day. This happens repeatedly. And the second wolf doesn't come back. The first werewolf stays a werewolf. The second werewolf now becomes a lichen. 00:55:00 Jack: It goes feral. It's just a Savage now. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It even forgets how to get back to it. It's just now a monster. Cristina: Okay. Jack: But they're more or less fizzled off Earth Realm. Cristina: Yes. Okay. Jack: Yes. And they all fizz. They physically look very similar, except a werewolf looks like a humanoid. It looks very similar than the werewolf is very gray, furred, wise and less crazy, I guess. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And the lichen is black fur and slimmer, while the werewolf looks bulkier. The lichen is thinned out and like up looking. It's like a really thinned out werewolf that's all black. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Now if the werewolf dies a werewolf, it becomes a wet judge. Cristina: Okay. And if the lichen dies, it becomes the other thing. Jack: And if lichen dies, it becomes a wendingo. Cristina: And those creatures are Shadow Realm creatures. Jack: And those creatures are Shadow Realm creatures. Cristina: Or they're ghost versions. Jack: Yeah, yeah. A lot of Shadow Realm creatures are ghost versions of earthrealm creatures because there's an inherent tie between them. Cristina: A little weird, because the Shadow realm is the original realm and we are. Jack: A pocket realm within it. Cristina: Yeah. But when we die, we go back to the original realm. Jack: Well, this is supported by all sciences, all religions and all philosophies that the. This association from the self unites us to the all. Another way of thinking about it is the texts that make it sound like it's a simulation. If the barriers are built around a certain type of code and you extract that code, then whatever code is left could exit the equation. Cristina: Okay, and then we just go back to the shadow realm. Jack: We can just be part of the shadow realm. So it's possible. Weird thought that everything within earthrealm is already a creature that might exist within the shadow realm, and we are just programmed with the external shell that we then think is ourselves. Cristina: What do you mean? Jack: Like my body isn't my body? Maybe I was always a gin, but because I'm born over here, the body feels like a body. But then it's weird beating our campy because creatures from the shadow realm coming over here to kidnap children and stuff, but to live. But they don't. They don't become suddenly physical unless they go through a procedure. Yes, and I don't understand what the procedure necessarily is because there's no specifics on it. Yeah, we know that they need a model, which is why they kidnap kids. They need an example of who they're going to become and that person is going to stay alive. They don't kill that person. Cristina: They don't. Jack: Well, somehow still existed when Lucifer became physical. Cristina: Yes, but did he transform also? Jack: Then Samuel got turned into Alfamer. Cristina: Is that what happened? Jack: No, he got turned to a Naga, I think, right? Cristina: Yeah, I think so. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: This story is twisted and weird. Jack: Yeah, that's a weird. Someone else been through the ringer. It's a weirdo. But this isn't a couple of places. Because if you think of Glycon from the Greek, he also was just a Greek dude who became a Naga. Cristina: That doesn't make sense. With the help of Keto. Because Nagas are fairies. So these are people becoming fairies. Jack: These are people. Well, people becoming Shadow worm creatures and Shadow Realm creatures becoming Earth Realmers are still weird. Cristina: That's weird. But it's less weird. They're becoming fairies. Jack: Well, presumably the Shadow Realm is a pocket within Alfame. The best way to think about it is if Elfame is Earth Realm, then the Shadow Realm is the Internet. And EarthRealm is like Facebook. Each one is inside the other in a smaller, more constricted way. But it's still the one thing. Like it's still Facebook exists within Earth. Cristina: A video character becoming human. Jack: Yes. So, okay, I guess the. The most logical way to make the next step remove would be to say we have humanoid robots that don't have any AI. They exist everywhere. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And the Facebook AI decides it's going to figure out how to enter one of our robots and navigate earthrealm. That would be the leap that Jesus born in earthrealm does 01:00:00 Jack: to get to Alfame. He is the Facebook AI. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Getting into one of our robots and now existing as a Earth Realm being. Cristina: What does it mean when one of us becomes a Naga? Jack: That would be the equivalent. Cristina: It's still in there. Jack: Yes. So there must be some form of code that creatures from the top have. Like MAB logging in. Cristina: Oh, NPCs. No, not NPCs. Main characters. Jack: Main characters. Yes. They acquire main character abilities. Yes, that's what it really means. Which is a good example in being Hermes. Main character abilities. Cristina: Okay, so if you can do become a Necromancer or become a Naga, you're doing the same thing. Yes, sort of. Jack: The difference is they're trying to make Nagas of existing individuals that they know are already loyal. They don't want one born. They're trying to make one out of people they know are already loyal to them. So there's some half baked kind of approach there. Cristina: And they. I don't think they have the same abilities as Nagas. Jack: No. It doesn't seem like they have the tip top. The closest person who got To. That was the first one we know about, which is the oldest, which is Yaldabaoth and his. Not his artificial Naga, which I guess everybody else is. An artificial Naga that we're talking about. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: But it looks like his was literally created from nothing. It wasn't based on anybody. Which is also why that one's overpowered. Cristina: That doesn't make sense. That does it. I don't know. Jack: Osteomorphus. That was the name of that serpent. Osteomorphous. Cristina: Came from nothing. Jack: He came from nothing. He was raw, created. So he must be more pure than doing it on a creature that was already a different creature. But they'll be loyal because they're part. They're in on it. It's their hard work, too, versus this. No, you were made exclusively for this purpose. You could turn on me and it might have. We know it had its own intentions. It might have done whatever, but that's the risk. A different variation on that is Jesus. It might go rogue. Except it went rogue and they did. Where they. How do they control it? Cristina: I don't know. But how do you do that? What? You said he just made one. Jack: Made one? What? Cristina: Made a Naga? Jack: Oh, I don't know, but it would be like, how did we invent a robot from nothing? Like, it's just. It's that he just made science. Figure it out. Cristina: Okay. I don't know. Jack: But the leap Jesus made is pretty impressive, especially if we. If we listen. If we listen, Deacon, listen. If we take the texts that make it sound like a simulation at face value and say, oh, yeah, that's definitely the true one. Jesus made it out of the simulation and into an Alfame robot. That's basically what we'd be saying. Yeah, he jumped to the middle stage. Or went through it. We know he went through it. Literally. He could enter the wider Internet. Cristina: But he's not the only one. Jack: No, he's not the only one. Because whatever quote AI unquote Hermes is can easily just walk out. And he was just Earthreal. So he is another Facebook AI. He's the original Facebook AI that managed to just get into a robot in her throne. Cristina: That's weird, but yes. But then I still don't understand, because Nagas are. Jack: I think Nagas are an attempt to do a biological cheat sheet for Hermes, because you can either study and get it. That's a. The filter is crazy. Phew. It's so hard. So few people have figured it out. Immense power. Even people who didn't figure it out. Alexander the Great There you go. Even people who didn't get it, what they did get, made them monstrously overpowered, but with limitations. The idea of a Naga bypass the limitations instantaneously. Shortcuts. It's all shortcuts. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Because the right way to do it would be learned hermetic principles. Follow the laws that Hermes lays out. Understand his lessons. He says it, it's the only way. And the proof kind of stands on it. The fact that nobody else figures it out. Cristina: Yeah, he figured it out. Jack: He did. Cristina: And nothing is like gonna figure it out after him though. Is Jesus really it? Jack: Well, we don't know. Merlin came after Jesus. Cristina: That's true. Just forget he's the most recent. Jack: Yeah, he's the most recent. He was whack, but he was the most recent. Then again he was way overpowered. Still time bending. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Even if he was defeated, it's still pretty crazy. Jack: I guess so. Well, yeah, he was tricked, but he was tricked by a fairy. He was killed off by a fairy. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Like you know. The question is, could Hermes know her? Is the problem is also Hermes has no goal. Think about how interesting this is. It doesn't look like. No, but St. Patrick's was associated. Even if he was human. Cristina: What do they mean? Jack: He was still associated with the Elysians. They called on him for help. Cristina: I don't know. Because of him and Santa makes it seem like the religion is behind is part of them or they made the Catholic Church. Right. Jack: The Catholic Church was made by the Elysians, but the Catholic Church employs humans. Cristina: Yeah, but to keep the Elysians secret. Jack: Yeah. The whole point is to keep the Elysian secret and to make Jesus just seem like he's unrelated to the Elysians. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Yeah. And it looks like, you know, they're neutral. And maybe they were priests who were like, we're gonna put. We're gonna send you on a quest. We're gonna send priests. Maybe that's the point of priests. Raising some priests regularly to a school out in Greece where they're gonna come across a series of tests and tasks at the School of L. If they pass enough of them, you're going to get into a special class and you're going to take it and you're hopefully going to pass that class. That class is all that matters. Everything you're going to do for the next 20 years of your life is pure training to try to pass one class. That's it. Good luck. And then, you know, just kept sending people, kept sending people, kept sending people and one guy, St. Patrick, makes it through and meets Hermes and takes classes with him and, and St. Nicholas makes it through and gets there. But how many hundreds of other priests went there and like tried and they could, didn't even know what they were there for other than I told I was going to do this my whole life. And I'm not going to get married, I'm not going to have children, and I'm going to go back and go, you know, I dedicated my life to them. I'm gonna go lead a church and I'm gonna be great. I'm gonna have it said and made. But I don't know what the beginning of that path was. And only few of them, and they disappear forever. Now it's the, the St. Patrick's of the world. It was like, no, I'm an OG. I got the abilities that they want. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And so those are in house necromancers. Hermes is neutral party if they can, if they. Anybody who can get my teachings can get my teachings. Cristina: So you think he was training? Jack: He was at Lesium as written by Aristotle. Cristina: In his notes, they say for how long? Jack: Unclear, but he was at Lesium, so that's fact number one. The specific lines were that he was waiting for the special students. And Aristotle's take on that is that his students were the elite students, the students that had taken all their other classes, the students that have aced everything else. And it's a school of philosophy. What the f*** does it mean to ace that? It means to understand everything there. Cristina: Which makes sense for what you need for Hermes. Jack: You got to enter equipped in every aspect of everything. And so you get to his class. Most people didn't make it. And I don't know how he would evaluate them, but he must have been looking at the notes of the other teachers there and been like, I want that student on that guy. He seems to be doing good every class specifically in these topics, which means he understands the nuance I'm looking for. Maybe all the other teachers were just cover. Cristina: For the real goal. Jack: For the real goal. Everything is designed as an intricate filter. And it's, it's a tournament. There's one winner. Of course, there's more multiple winners. But in this case, you know, to picture it better, it's tournament style. The guy who makes it to the championship past all the tests, but you still got to eliminate, eliminate, eliminate. And so you can't have a huge class of thousands of people. You got to be very restrictive. And maybe not. Maybe anybody who can make it can make it. Except people don't make it because it's really hard to get. Cristina: Mm. That's really hard. Jack: It's really abstract. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Really abstract. But it all makes perfect sense is the problem. So you gotta be able to understand really abstract thoughts in order to then bend reality with your mind the way that Hermes suggest can happen. And that we've found this proof through Naga and other necromancers and the people who cheat and manage to get a stone and aren't necromancers because that's so op. Cristina: Yeah. But he's the reason that there are stones. Jack: Yes. He invented them. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: Yep. He is so good at being secretive. Hermes. He's so good at being secretive and so good at making things that we didn't know that both parts of the craft 01:10:00 Jack: were literally him. We found the first part and we're like, he made the thing like somebody else made the other part and improved on it. No, it was also him. It's just. It's hard to connect any part of things that have to do with him because everything exists in isolation. Because he's so good at just disappearing off of that side of the planet and popping up over here and doing a bunch of crap over here and stays over here for a thousand years and disappears over here. And he's over there now. No given. Doesn't seem to care about the passage of time. Doesn't seem to care about what side anybody's on. Does no barriers exist. I'm in this room. I'm in that room. Whatever. Cristina: That's what he does. Jack: Very godlike. He reminds me a Q from Star Trek. Cristina: Probably less of a troll than him, though. Jack: We have no idea. We have no, no idea. Not a clue what his personality is like. Not a clue. We know some people had character to them. Some of the Elysians were like, you know, you can imagine them. The guy who's just whoring around banging humans. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You're probably a chill dude. Bro. Cristina: Know. Jack: You know, he's just a dude. He's out there just linging, slinging his come everywhere he goes. Cristina: We don't know anything about Hermes. Jack: Who the h*** does? Cristina: I thought he's a weirdo or not weirdo. He's just secretive. Jack: He's private. Cristina: Private. Jack: We got stories from Santa. We got stories from Patrick. We got Jehovah stories. He seemed to be pretty chill, but kind of stern dude. Lucifer seems kind of more worrisome. He's these would, you know, panicky Lilith has a bit of attitude to what she does. Everybody has characteristics based on everything we found. And then Hermes is like, I don't know about you, dude. I don't know if you're, like, serious jokey. If you're like, you know, expressions. He's robed. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Every description of him, robes. Nobody sees this face. Even his homies have no idea if he's smiling or not. He's talking to a robe all the time. Cristina: That's kind of crazy. It's pretty crazy. We don't know anything weird. There could be more than one. Jack: There could totally be more than one. But also, he can bend time. What the. Cristina: Like, why do you need more than one? Jack: Why do you need more? He's everywhere. He's everywhere. He's all over the place. Everybody's Hermes at one point. It's like, no, it's the same dude. We thought it was multiple people. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And then it's like, no, it's the same guy. What? How? How, How, How? In fact, we thought it was so multiple people because Loi is the title and Hermes exists. And we're like, that's probably the title, too. And he existed back then, and they knew each other. Weird. So different people. And then we're like, nope, it turns out same guy. It's like, how the f*** does this work out? We still haven't even proven that about Loi. Cristina: I don't think he's. I mean, I think he is more than one guy. Jack: Loi feels like a title. And the way they describe the giant ship shifts in behavior. Feels like different people. Feels like a title within the family or a job position or political role or something. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Hermes is literally the guy's name. He'll go by a different name. And then tell them, I'm Hermes. They gave me this name over here. But Hermes is from actual name. Cristina: Weird. Yeah. Jack: And he'll write it. He'll be like, I'm Hermes. Cristina: He writes it, I'm Hermes. Jack: I'm Hermes. And then he made the emerald. He made this, everybody. No, Hermes. Geras Magista's made this. Don't happen. How? How do you do this in Europe? And then at the same time, he made that in Afghanistan, bro. Let's have a real conversation. Cristina: Because time travel. Jack: Because time travel. Cristina: And because there's nothing really. Jack: Instantaneous teleportation. Cristina: Exactly. Jack: And, like, it doesn't matter. Cristina: Solution to any problem is time travel. For Hermes 100. Jack: That explains ever once that's. It's like, yeah, you could bend time. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: So you're just hanging out back there, like the day you chilled with that guy's grandson millions of years later. Cristina: Mm. Jack: To you it was minutes apart. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: You just skadoodled across and it's a. It's seamless. If we were watching you from a movies perspective, you're like, all right, Jehovah, I'll let him know. You take two steps, we zoom in on you. You take two steps, none of the scenery changes. And now you're standing in front of Loi. Hey. Your grandson said this. And when we zoom out, we see Eloi, but not Jehovah. That's how seamless it would be to him. Cristina: That's pretty crazy. Jack: He didn't think about it just there. Cristina: That's totally how it could work. I don't know. Jack: And from the point of view of both of these individuals, he never left. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Because he can pop into the same fraction of a second he left that with Jehovah and walk right into that same moment and be like, your grandfather said this. And from your point of view to my. I'm right now, I'm Hermes. And right now you're Jehovah. And you tell me you need to tell my grandfather to add this, this, and that to 01:15:00 Jack: the equation starting on this next sentence. I'm Hermes. Okay. All right, Jehovah, I'm gonna go tell your grandfather right now what to do. Listen, Loi, it's very important that you add these couple of parts. Now. Loi tells him whatever it's like. Okay. I'm gonna make sure your grandson knows this. Jehovah. Listen, he said that, that one sentence, he's gonna talk to two people across time. And to him it's gonna feel consistent and linear to them. Not a moment past the moment you said links. Cristina: And then he sees a different person. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And time has stopped over there. Cuz not really. He's just in the past and he's gonna go back to that same moment. Cristina: Okay. Okay. That's crazy. That's his ability though. Jack: Does his ability though super overpowered. And he can do that at any point in time, at any place in time? That's God. Cristina: That's ridiculous. Yes. That's good. I don't think there's anything above that. Jack: I don't think there's anything above that. Minus whatever exists in Alpha that we have no reference point for. Yes, but the realms we are aware of. Even elves don't touch this. Nagas don't touch this. Cristina: As far as we can tell. Jack: Yeah. It would have to be the theory of the simulation. And it would have to be that MAB is a programmer and only then, because then she'd have the ability to like deprogram the robot, shut off the Internet, whatever. Cristina: But she can't. So it's not that. Jack: Or she should. We don't know if she can. Maybe she is just one of the programmers at the big company. The company really owns the Internet. She just knows how to work. She's the best worker, knows how to do it. Okay, but she can shut it off and ruin the project and save the world if it got that bad. Stop things from getting out and just destroy the robot that they got into. Whatever. Try not to. Expensive project maybe. Whatever that might mean in that realm. Cristina: Yeah, you know. Jack: Anyways, that's the road that took us to where we are. It's just all random pieces, man. Cristina: But it makes somewhat sense. Jack: It is composed. It makes perfect sense. It is a rational, reasonable, thought out kind of. Our job is to ground things like we said. Cristina: And we did it. Jack: Yeah, we've been doing it like you said. We've been doing it the entire time we've been grounding things. And those are all examples of how we've grounded things. And we added some groundings to thumbs things in. Just by talking about grounding things, we just grounded some more things. Yes, that's how we do now. The problem with explaining to the listeners that we do ground things and giving them examples is that it took an hour to do so. So we never got to get to the notes. Okay, so next time we're definitely going to get to the notes. But this time at least we grounded some things. Cristina: Which is the point. Jack: Which is the point. The job got done. Cristina: The job got that. Jack: The job got done. Cristina: It always gets done. Jack: It always gets done. And if anybody came here from last week looking to hear the episode that was planned, you're gonna have to come next week to find out what that was. But we'll totally get to it next week. We're talking anyways, if you guys think that you have noticed in our current grounding of things. But no, about the Elysians and all that stuff. Anything that you think we. We didn't. A detail that checks out. Maybe we touched on it enough that you were like, oh, that made me think about that. Let us know. Send us your input, your ideas. Anyone who just jumped in is like struggling to comprehend the mess of we just talking about. I realized that the other day. I was thinking about like, what if you jump in and you don't go back? Cristina: That's good. Then we summarize everything. Jack: Yeah, but like, what the h*** is an elation. And what is the shadow mentioned? Cristina: All of that. Jack: No, I know we didn't clarify much of it. It was a lot of like. But then again, if they start here and they hear the next episode and then the next episode, you'll figure it out. It'll start to make sense. It doesn't matter where you start. Just enough. Yeah, about it. Anyways. Tell us what you think. Tell us what you know. You could do that on our socials at just Convopod, on Instagram, on Exxon, Facebook, on TikTok, Tick tock, anywhere. Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show. Jack: Yes. And word of mouth. Tell everybody that we exist and that we're out here doing the Lord's work and grounding things. Bringing angels to the ground the way the Lord did. Cristina: We are the groundhogs. Jack: No, we are the groundhog. 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August 17, 2024

Rambling 286: Flatwoods Monster

August 17, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

What exactly is the Flatwoods Monster? What circumstances surround its sighting? Have we seen it before? The duo open the case of Flatwoods Monster, a strange West Virginia sighting of an eerie creature more relevant that anyone could have ever predicted.

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the program where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. Is that not what we do? Is it not what what we do?

Cristina: I'm pretty sure we do that. We do that sometimes.

Jack: Sometimes. Are you claiming that on every single one of our episodes we've not given groundbreaking revelations that alter the way in which humans as a whole vis. Visualize reality?

Cristina: Are you about to show me something?

Jack: I'm about to show you something crazy.

Cristina: Is it more land? Is it more land to look at? And guess what? The land.

Jack: More land. No.

Cristina: No. Okay, good.

Jack: I got a chair.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And I got a thing. I need you to walk the listeners who cannot see what you're seeing through what I am showing you.

Cristina: It's like a ghost lady robot alien.

Jack: That's fair. That's fair. I can see all the things you're talking about.

Cristina: She has red eyes. She has salad finger fingers. What are they called? They're very long. They're very long and thin fingers, but like a robotic torso, right? Red giant eyes. Like, if you saw her tonight, you think she's Mothman, but she doesn't have the wings. She does have crazy hair.

Jack: Doesn't that make so much f****** sense, to think that this is the Mothman?

Cristina: Yeah. If you saw that at night, you.

Jack: Would 100% think the Mothman.

Cristina: I don't know if that thing is her hair. It could be her hair. It could be. I don't know. Or her head is on fire. I don't know. It looks like from the Sharer's Point. Like, if it's painting what she's supposed to look like as well. Her head is glowing red. It's just a red glow coming from her head, I think. I'm not sure. Is she an alien? Is she a God? I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. Okay, walk us through the chair. Because you focus a lot on her. Walk us through this chair a little.

Cristina: It's a chair.

Jack: Of course.

Cristina: She's behind the chair. And are you sitting on her? Is she like a Santa Claus to someone or something? Like, why do you sit on the chair of her?

Jack: It would be sitting on her lap, I guess. Right?

Cristina: And there's like, a tiny image of, like, her next to a person. And a person's very tiny next to her.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: That's a normal grown person at her. She. She's humongous.

Jack: Important, important points.

Cristina: And so is that share that big. Like if some. An adult sits on that chair, they'll look tiny.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Why is she some Santa Claus alien robot thing? God, what is he? I don't know.

Jack: And you've gendered her, too. It's a her or it could be.

Cristina: A he, but, like, lady.

Jack: Yeah, it's.

Cristina: The thing is wearing a skirt.

Jack: It looks.

Cristina: A very long skirt.

Jack: What would you say is in between the skirt and its tor. Torso.

Cristina: Robot parts. Right.

Jack: Like springs or some.

Cristina: Yeah, or it's some kind of bug creature. Because, like, it's. Yeah, the. The torso is just.

Jack: Okay. An exoskeleton type of thing.

Cristina: Yeah. With the arms. It goes. Well, he. Or it was some type of bug.

Jack: The arms kind of get weird. Now tell me about these arms a little more.

Cristina: They're sticks. There's stick arms.

Jack: If you were to just see the arms, what would you think this is?

Cristina: A tree?

Jack: No, animal. Think animal.

Cristina: Some type of bug is really. All right.

Jack: You would think a bug.

Cristina: Yeah. I think it's related to a bug, but it's too huge.

Jack: What kind of a bug has fingers?

Cristina: I don't know. Like a stick bug thing that. It's just sticks. I don't know. I don't know. There's no animal that looks like that. Not even its hands? No.

Jack: Yes. There's a ton of them. There's an entire category that is so astoundingly large that it conquers an entire section of all life. We've ever considered lizards. Them, too, but not that way.

Cristina: Not.

Jack: No, not three. Birds. Birds.

Cristina: Birds. Bird hands. They're so thin.

Jack: Yeah. It looks like chicken hands.

Cristina: Chicken hands. Chicken hands. I don't.

Jack: Not chicken hands. We know bird hands. Just really.

Cristina: The red eyes make no sense. It has to be some. This is not Mothman. This is not Mothman. Someone just saw Mothman for real.

Jack: This is some kind of a robot, right?

Cristina: It's Mothman.

Jack: Why do you think it's Mothman?

Cristina: The eyes. Like, if you saw that night, you would think it's Mothman. There's no way. There's no way you wouldn't think this is Mothman. The giant size and the eyes. There's no way you'd think it's anything else.

Jack: It is a completely logical conclusion to make 100%. The cleanest, most logical approach would be. This has to be Mothman, right?

Cristina: Yes. I don't know what else it could be.

Jack: I thought exactly the Same thing. And it's not.

Cristina: It's not. But it's something.

Jack: It's a thing.

Cristina: It's a thing.

Jack: Allow me to walk you through.

Cristina: Is it an alien?

Jack: I guess that's for us to figure out.

Cristina: And this is somehow related to Clinton Road?

Jack: Well, it's related to everything. I wouldn't say Clinton Road in particular.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Okay.

Jack: It's bigger picture.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So the year is 1952. It's September 12th. Autumn. I guess autumn hasn't even started. When does autumn begin? It begins September 20th.

Cristina: 21St.

Jack: 21St. Oh, it's not autumn. Yeah, it's still this. The end of summer, the tail.

Cristina: It's feeling like fall.

Jack: Yeah, not really, because even the beginning of autumn still feels kind of hot. It's just really. Ultimately, the seasons break down into like. Like maybe six months of summer and six months of winter. With about three months. No, not even. Because that would be too many months.

Cristina: That would be what, six plus? Six plus.

Jack: No, it would be. What would it be? It would be 1, 2, 3, 4 months of each and then 2 months of each. Yeah, I guess that's how it would break down. It really feels so short.

Cristina: Yes, it works. Four. Four.

Jack: Yeah, four. Four, two, two. Okay, I have to move them over. I was just making randomness. I have to visualize the numbers moving over.

Cristina: Yeah, that makes sense. But like, the summer morning is still really cold. It's getting cold.

Jack: I like. Yeah, I like that feeling. The end of summer and the beginning of summer when the cold is in the morning and the heat is in the afternoon. But not excessive heat and not excessive cold. Just this kind of great intermediate area. I like that. That's the best. But also I like when it's always that consistently in spring, I guess.

Cristina: Yeah, that's the best autumn.

Jack: Autumn has a little bit colder going on. Spring has a little bit hotter going on with both of them. Perfect. Anyways, unrelated. Unrelated.

Cristina: How do we know it's not related?

Jack: I mean, it could totally be related. And so, I mean, literally, maybe it could be related because we know that the portals at different locations require the equin knocks to happen. And we don't know if heat is why or it's the alignment or it's the what is it? The hottest point of the day is the longest day. What. What do you. What factor are you looking for? So at the end of the day, like, come on. Our meters are fire, bro. We can connect any random two dots. We're skilled at this game. By now. Everything's gonna make sense. It checks Out. Yeah, could do that about any topic. Challenge us.

Cristina: Yes. Okay, tell me about this thing.

Jack: Yeah, challenge us. Look straight up if you're listening. Challenge us. Give us something. I promise it's. It fits in. I promise it's related, if it's weird or government related or anything. Give us anything. I promise you if it's weird, it's related. Or we'll make it. But 1952, September 12th, we're in Fleetwoods, which is in Braxton County, West Virginia.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: 1950S is kind of booming. You know, ladies got that weird puffy hair, that kind of curves at the end. And they got those skirts that just end perfect at their ankle and they got white socks on and that shoe.

Cristina: Is that what that thing is trying to do, is trying to look like.

Jack: One of those ladies?

Cristina: Oh, now we gotta find picture of these ladies you're talking about and compare.

Jack: That's kind of cool. That checks out a little.

Cristina: But it's too huge. Like, even if it was trying to attempt something like you're as tall as. You're as tall as the tree. What are you talking about?

Jack: Do you see how easy it is to think this thing is the Mothman, bro? How weird that it is trying to imitate people? Because that's just trying to imitate people, right? And what's the reports of the Mothman? He shows up tragedies and whatever. You know, he does this weird thing where he's kind of like reflecting people. Weird. Why? Why are you imitating people? How the is this not it? Unless this is something like it.

Cristina: Is it really? No, don't tell me yet. Just tell me what these ladies look like in that time.

Jack: Exactly what I described. And so I even lost my train of thought. So 1950s. Oh yeah, everything's booming. Ladies are looking nice, their hair is looking ridiculous, and they got. They all got little apron on top of their head. For whatever reason, TV shows it like that. Yeah, I'm sure it wasn't even happening in reality. That was just the. The, you know, the traditional woman was doing that. The common woman wasn't. And that's why the traditional woman was looking down on the common woman. Because you don't have an apron over your head, you w****. Okay, you know, so the. So that's why in. In images they had the apron. It was all lady like, I bet. Don't look it up. It's probably true.

Cristina: Doesn't sound right.

Jack: How would you. Okay, solve it. Let's solve it right here, right now. How. Why was the air apron, their hairstyle.

Cristina: Was so perfect that they didn't want to mess it up.

Jack: Oh, s***. That could totally be it too. Mad hairspray. But then you're not even showing it off. So they would only wear going to.

Cristina: Somewhere you need to cover it. And then when you're there, you take.

Jack: It out and it's just a tiny little thing you could put in your pockets.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: And your skirts were so fluffy. They probably had pockets before big pocket got to you. And try big. What is it? Big purse. No.

Cristina: They will tie it around their neck maybe.

Jack: Oh. Oh, man. You piece this all together because they do have some. That looks kind of like a scarf or some s***. No, it's not. It's not.

Cristina: It's not.

Jack: It's too thin. What they know. So they probably put it in their giant skirt pocket. Big purse hasn't destroyed pockets yet.

Cristina: You don't know. I don't know. When was that?

Jack: Around in the 1950s. You think there were purses, like, super popular. I bet.

Cristina: I bet when they came out with purses, it became super popular, like immediately. Yes. I think that was a hot thing, purses. Yeah.

Jack: And then they were like, f*** pockets. We could have so many more clothing option if we don't have to consider pockets. And. Oh, is this a typical. We're playing with fire, not thinking about the repercussions. And so we. We're not envisioning a future without pockets.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We're just envisioning, oh, why can't we have both?

Cristina: Why can't we have both pockets?

Jack: We've gone too far. Science has taken us away from pockets.

Cristina: Bring it back. Bring back the pockets.

Jack: Science is taking us away from pockets. Pockets are inefficient. Or for whatever reason science deemed women with pockets is useless. Women with pockets is useless.

Cristina: According to survival, have pockets. And then they still need to carry things. So then they have that little purse on the waist.

Jack: A man purse. Yes.

Cristina: No. Yeah.

Jack: Like, no. Yeah. What do you. F**** pack.

Cristina: F**** pack. That's the man purse. And like, you see, they have pockets and it's not enough.

Jack: So how much crap are they walking around with that they need all that.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: F**** packs, ultimately, or let's really be realistic. When you gotta carry your medicine around. You're an older man.

Cristina: I guess so. Well, you're an older person. Yes.

Jack: And when you're classy older, dude, you carry a briefcase with your meds in them.

Cristina: That makes no sense. That's mad work. Why not just get a f**** pack?

Jack: No. If you're in A suit all day.

Cristina: Get a lunchbox.

Jack: Yeah, no, some kind of small. It could look like you have a work bag. You know, a little work.

Cristina: Yes, but I have a briefcase just for medicine.

Jack: Not a little briefcase. You know, like a small work case. Suitcase, whatever.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, it looks like something you'd put a laptop in.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: And you carry that around. But really, it just goes neat with your suit. You probably have a couple of different ones that match your suit. Because you're classy, dude. You work. You're working man at the top of your super tower.

Cristina: Okay. You take mad meds because you're old.

Jack: Just. Oh, it's one of the unfortunate old people who just hear mad medication because they just eat whatever the doctors say instead of working out. Anyways, all of this somehow has to do with the 1950s.

Cristina: What does this lady have to do? Or this thing. What is this thing?

Jack: Well, it's 1950s, where this thing kind of looks like this lady we were describing for whatever reason.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But anyways, 1950s women are booming. Or people at 50s are booming, whatever. The boom in 50s. I know that's wrong, but close enough. And it's exactly 7:15pm According to Sword from people.

Cristina: So this is multiple people reporting.

Jack: Yeah, it's about to get weird, bro. Okay, so let's begin. The sighting begins with brothers Edward and Fred May and their friend Tommy. Hire report seeing an exceptionally bright, exceptionally fast moving object across the sky. They thought a meteor. Who?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. And they claim it hit a neighbor's farm belonging to G. Bailey Fisher. Neighbor. So we got Edward and we got Fred and we got Tommy. And together they see a thing go across the sky. They're like, oh, s***, skyrockes on.

Cristina: Okay, so are they gonna go onto the farm to investigate it?

Jack: Yeah, they're gonna go do that. But as they're going onto the farm to investigate it, they see that it didn't really hit. It kind of slowed down as they followed it.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Yeah. So they run back all three. Keep in mind, we already got three eyewitnesses. Nobody is dead. Nobody died. These are eyewitnesses that lived and all told exactly the same story. Now they get back.

Cristina: Back to where?

Jack: Home. Oh, and they run to actually a neighbor's house. Kathleen May, unrelated. Where they explained what had happened. He was like, what had happened was. And then she immediately didn't believe him because she said what had happened. But anyways, as he said what had happened was, we saw this weird thing go across the sky. And then it was. As we followed it to Go see the crash. It was kind of like moving. We were close to the hill. We started running because we wanted to see it go, hit the thing. And it just stopped moving kind of slowly. And we freaked out because we don't know how to explain that. And here we are telling you about it.

Cristina: That's kind of lame.

Jack: Yeah. And she was like, well, that's kind of weird. I mean, all three of you saw it and they were like, yeah, it was kind of like they're slowing down.

Cristina: So I don't get it. Why wouldn't they just. It's like an incomplete story. Why would they do that?

Jack: I know.

Cristina: You see something weird and you don't finish through what you're seeing.

Jack: Well, most horror horrifying stories end with the people who went to investigate dying.

Cristina: That's why. Then they should have said, okay, one of us has to stay while the other two run or something. Like make some weird bet with your friends to get one of you to stay at the spot.

Jack: It has to happen this way. One of you needs to keep looking at it. The other one. The other two, one is gonna keep their eye on you, who's on top of the hill.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And the others get. Yeah, the other is gonna stand in front of him. So he's gonna see two people, one looking at him and one at the hill.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Also looking at him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He's going to be looking only towards them while the guy looking at him directly in front of him is going to be guiding him, looking where they're walking.

Cristina: Okay. But the farthest guy also has to try to get someone to I guess share the news or.

Jack: Yes, they're gonna keep looking at him to make sure he doesn't just vanish or something. Because if he just. Something attacked them, they can say that happened, but eventually they gotta like turn away or something.

Cristina: Yeah. That's why the third guy is not. Doesn't have to pay too much attention because he's trying to wave at somebody or.

Jack: Yeah, they're just already in the neighborhood.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's just a matter of don't lose sight of him ever. Don't lose sight of him ever. The problem is they don't have hella history of. Of sci fi movies to build on logic. You know, if they just had a bunch of media of sci fi media.

Cristina: So you're saying there's no sci fi media in the 50s.

Jack: Not. Not the way they would need to handle this. Oh, they need some particular apathy. We're being bred now to have. Think about the apathy we're slowly building towards everything. It's because something big is coming, and they need us to not freak the f*** out. It's either the coming of Jesus is actually about to happen and most of us are f***** up, or there's some kind of crazy force headed our direction, and the strong are about to survive, and they're trying to make us all the strong. And they know most of us aren't gonna be it. But, you know, prepare as many as you can, okay? And that's. We're getting slowly watered down to just be like, hey, here's a bunch of alien stuff. It's probably alien guys. And everybody was like, cobra.

Cristina: Cool. Sorry.

Jack: Cool. Mission accomplished. You're doing it. They're doing it. But this lady is like, that's kind of weird. So I can't really do much.

Cristina: Or else you guys investigate unless we get.

Jack: Unless we really see what happened. I can't. Like, we can't run to the cops or something. That's crazy.

Cristina: Yeah, that's pretty crazy.

Jack: We got to really go. Look, man, somebody's going to run all the way to the cops and get the cop to come all the way over here.

Cristina: I mean, that is what you do, though.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: You tell the cops.

Jack: Is there even something there? Did something weird happen?

Cristina: I don't know if you truly believe that. I think you'd still call the cops.

Jack: Yes. Luckily, Kathleen is a connected woman, okay? Presumably for reasons we don't have to discuss. As a grown woman, she could do what she wants. I don't know why she's got men who could do her favors at the blink of an eye. But she asks her friend who happens to be a National guard, Eugene Lemonade.

Cristina: 11.

Jack: Yeah, okay. And she. The ridiculous name. I can't even believe this is how the story unfolded. Once I saw this, I'm like, how the. Is this not just a stupid, creepy pasta or something?

Cristina: It's not.

Jack: It's not. I'm like, man, there's real news articles about this thing.

Cristina: Okay, so tell me about Lemon. Mr. Lemon, he investigates.

Jack: So he. He's like, going up there, but everybody's like, we're gonna go check, too, you know, now we got a National Guard. We're good.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We're good. He's got a gun. We're fine. Yeah, so she's going up there. I don't know why she's. I mean, bro, I'm telling you, there's something on about this lady and that guy.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Right? Like, come on. She's like, bro, you want to do me a favor and come check this out. And then she's going to check it out with him. Bro. Kathleen. What have you been up to? Kathleen. But I don't know if she was married. Nothing says she was married again. She's a single woman. As far as I know. She could do what she wants.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They couldn't investigate. So Edward and Fred May join unrelated Kathleen May in order to go to Bailey Fisher's farm.

Cristina: There's just two unrelated MAEs. Not even by cutting.

Jack: I mean we're talking the 50s, bro. We gotta populate somehow. Anyway, so. And they're accompanied by some. The neighborhood kids too. Nunley, Ronnie and you know. Yeah, just a group of kids.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: A group of kids. Tell me this isn't like the setup, the stranger Things. Well, I guess a bunch of kids, some cop like figure and the lady all going to investigate the thing. Except they're from a city.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, they're in the city.

Jack: No, this is in the middle of f****** nowhere.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Well, you just saw this s***.

Cristina: Something many things actually inspired by a lot of crap. Yeah.

Jack: This happened in the time. It's totally be pulling from this for sure. For sure. Okay. So they run, we get there. They arrive to check. Right.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The group reaches the top of the hill and as they get there where they saw the. The object sort of vanish over initially and slow down when they got closer, they. It's dark now by the way. Obviously now it's getting dark. It happened already towards. I guess. Yeah. It was 7:15, which I began with at 7:15.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: All of this happened. They ran. They saw a thing in the sky. They ran times ticking. Clocks of ticking. It was still daylight. Ish.

Cristina: Somebody to come join them.

Jack: So now. Yeah, they get all this. By the time they're getting here, it's like 8, 8 20. And now it's getting dark. So they're arriving there and it's just kind of, you know that very period of. Right. When it became night. When this is darkest point of the night because it's darker than any part of the night. What do they call that? Dusk. Right. The darkest point when it's just pure blackness for a moment. And it was that point of night when they make it to the top of the hill because you know, Chance the universe decided to write their scenario like this. It's half of it sounds like bullshit. They were just too many reports. These people started painting pictures at some point. But they f****** summarize to be like this. It's crazy. Anyways. So they get There. And the first thing that they see. Keep in mind, all eyewitnesses agreed to exactly the same descriptors for what happened that night. That's what makes this trippy. Hella different people moved into isolation and questioned by several different agencies because of the astronomically weird circumstance. All had the same story to incredible detail as decided by government agencies. Interesting. Let us continue. Okay, now, when they get to the top of the hill, all of them notice something really weird. A red glow, faint, sort of like an amorphous blob.

Cristina: Okay. And they think it's the thing that hit the ground or something.

Jack: They have no idea what this has to do with anything.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They have no idea what this has to do with anything. This isn't even where the thing landed. They got to the top of the hill and they saw this thing standing in front of the farm's fence, unrelated to the landing site of whatever that thing was, which they thought was a meteor until this very moment where now they're questioning everything they've ever seen. Because how the h*** do you just have a glowing red aura thing?

Cristina: This is the thing that we see in the picture that they're looking at now. Or.

Jack: No, this is what they claimed. Ultimately the summary of all their descriptions. What? Yeah, this is basically what they saw. So they see this glowing thing and Eugene, the National Guard guy, who's got the flashlight, so he's cool, he's got a flashlight and a gun, is basically Leon Kennedy at this point. And he, he's Hopper, you know, he goes and he flashes the light at the red aura. And when he does the one thing he sees, because nothing else comes back, like blackness, blackness, nothing there. The only thing that makes it through the dark is the red eyes. The aura disappears and we just see red eyes.

Cristina: I guess that, but okay, right now.

Jack: That was disturbing to everybody. So everybody. Oh my God. Yeah, everybody saw the same thing. And they were like, you know, freaked out for a second. Holy. What the f***? Right now descriptions, as soon as he panicked and moved, the light being moved allowed the silhouette of the thing to come into view.

Cristina: Does it look like its head is on fire? Like what's happening?

Jack: So their descriptions go as, follow, standing in front of the fence. Now also, also, I guess we have to describe exactly what happened before I give you the description. They walk to the top of the hill, they see it shine, the thing, the eyes become clear. And when he shifted and got scared, the light came off, revealing the things body. And almost like if it wasn't looking at him, suddenly the Eyes disappear and then they come from the side again. Like his head was somewhere else the whole time and turn to look at him. Trippy. I'll repeat how confusing that is. It was looking. It's like if I'm looking at you right now, my eyes. My whole face is looking forward. And then somehow this image of me looking like this fuzzes up and you.

Cristina: Can'T tell that I'm. That you're looking at me, that I'm.

Jack: Looking at the side. And then I'm suddenly just coming around and looking at you.

Cristina: Oh, weird.

Jack: Yeah. So it looks like I'm looking at you right now. And then my head phases out almost. You can't even tell. It just looks like I get blurry. And then you only notice that it's not me looking at you when I'm starting to turn to look at you.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That happened. And everybody saw it.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Weird. That was confusing. I don't even know how else to point that. I've never heard that description ever. Weird. But they all had that same kind of like, what the f***? We thought it was looking our way and then as a sudden, now it's looking our way and.

Cristina: But it looked. The face looked the same both ways.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Of. It's not looking.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And looking or whatever.

Jack: Strange.

Cristina: Very strange.

Jack: It's an owl, bro. Again, perfect thought.

Cristina: But how tall is it?

Jack: There we go. It was about 10ft tall.

Cristina: That's ridiculous.

Jack: That's ridiculous. That is where they initially got startled. The height of those eyes. Well, had them shook, like, oh, f***. What the h*** is that? And then the thing looking their way.

Cristina: And then what just disappears like. Well, where they freak out and run away.

Jack: Well, they say it looked like some sort of shadowy figure, silhouette of some sort. It appeared to have the glowing visible aura outlining it. That was red. A red aura outlining it faintly. The large glowing crimson eyes. And it seemed to have a tail. They all thought they saw some sort of a tail or something.

Cristina: Any type of description on the tail?

Jack: No, they were. They just claimed tail. I actually wanted to know what kind of like, was it fuzzy or was it this?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The closest thing to a descriptor felt like thin. But it was like the. No, no hair details, no nothing. They were unclear on the size and everything. They were just like. They think it had a tail.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Its shape seemed to be vaguely triangular too. They seem to be point here towards the top and wider towards the bottom, which fits your description of having a skirt. Now here's an interesting thing in describing that triangular Shape. A couple of people said something that I found interesting and fits instantly, which is that it looks like it has a robe.

Cristina: It has a robe pointier towards the top.

Jack: Like a cloak type thing that's on.

Cristina: Top of the head looks or the image, not that that's the actual description. It doesn't look like the thing on its head is actually there. Like that's part of the glow, the aura of this thing.

Jack: Fascinating. Yeah. I think everybody agrees with you. I don't think that the fuzz that's around it is it by any means. It's part of it. I think its head does have some sort of a small hood on it.

Cristina: It has a small hood?

Jack: No. I would say that underneath the dark, its outfit would claim that there's a hood because it looks like the rest of it is a robe.

Cristina: And what's happening to its ribs, though? They describe that better.

Jack: Well, let's look at this again, because I'm thinking you're claiming this outside, this is what you're talking about, right?

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: I don't think that's part of it. I think this outfit that it has looks like some sort of a robe. And maybe this is an exaggeration. And in fact, more like the chair, what it had was some sort of a belt wrapped around it, which is typical of, you know, monks and of, you know, Jesus, like people and of Hermes and things like that, that they get robed up and they tie at the waist.

Cristina: Well, what about the ribs?

Jack: Well, this is what I'm saying. I'm saying that. Yes. I'm saying there's. If anything, if we were to say that this is to look like something familiar. Oh, that would be the belt.

Cristina: Okay. You know, he's in their description, though. They don't say anything about that.

Jack: They don't focus on it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's just a focus point. Not a focus point. It's a point in the outfit that it has or its body shape that was vaguely highlighted but isn't focused on like the rest. So it's, you know, debatable whether it was part of it or not.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because keep in mind, we have a lot of witnesses. So no variations are included in here, only similarities. Although the images show details from variations. As you saw, the chair has a belt and the creature over here has, like, rails or something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But as you're looking, they panic. Tall, giant turns at them after it was looking at them. Weird moment. It's huge, 10ft tall. Looks kind of like it has a skirt or like it has A robe. It has a glowing aura around it and they all notice the same glowing eyes. And another weird detail.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Its weird claw like hands. And its weird claw like hands were like in front of him. He was reaching out for something weird.

Cristina: That is weird.

Jack: Yeah, but it wasn't reaching out towards them, only its head was.

Cristina: When it turned its head was doing what?

Jack: Its head looked at them. Its body.

Cristina: Oh, weird. Okay.

Jack: Very strange. Its behaviors were odd. Now, when Eugene tried to get closer. This is a key detail right here. It vanished into thin air as Eugene described it. Like a cloud. He became less there the closer we got. Weird and familiar.

Cristina: Like from what?

Jack: So much of the crap in Clinton Road.

Cristina: How close was he to it when they first saw it?

Jack: Do you know how close was he to what?

Cristina: The thing. Oh, because he wasn't close to it at all. When he got closer, it disappeared.

Jack: Yes. So the top of the hill to the front was about 100ft apart to the front of the fence where this thing was.

Cristina: Yes. But he got closer then as he.

Jack: Got closer, how close was he by the time it disappeared? Yeah, I have an idea.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So he just got closer and it disappeared.

Jack: Yeah, it was. The distance was anywhere between 150. Between 50 and 100ft.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And as it got close, as they got closer, it just sort of wasn't there anymore.

Cristina: But they don't think of him or this thing as the Mothman.

Jack: They don't think of it as a Mothman.

Cristina: Okay. Because like the whole. It was flying in the sky beforehand. And then I don't know, there's a lot of weird stuff. That's. Okay.

Jack: Mothman adjacent.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, do they think it is.

Jack: So I don't know. They don't have. They just call it literally Braxton county monster.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: And they have no idea what it is. But this thing has very gin like characteristics minus some things here or there. And it's a particularly huge creature. I don't think we've seen gin this size at all. Jin tend to be more human. Like maybe the size of Elysians, which are just taller.

Cristina: Yeah, it's size made me think like it was some type of like Indian God type thing. Like those things are huge, aren't they?

Jack: Or they're description Greek gods or some s***, Right? Yeah, one of those tall Adonis kind of guys, you know. But no, that's kind of weird, the fact that everybody saw all of this. Now the next day, Lee Stewart Jr. Of the Braxton Democrats, which is a news reporter, that's the name of the paper that he works for. Whatever went to investigate and he discovered skid marks on the property of something actually making impact.

Cristina: Okay, weird. That's weird.

Jack: Very strange.

Cristina: You got pictures of that?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Okay, that's curious.

Jack: And after further investigating with some special friends of his, he came up and found there was a gummy clay like substance that was located where the skid marks were. Some weird residue.

Cristina: What did he do with that residue?

Jack: Nothing. He looked at it and was like residue? Yeah, I'm sure they collected it. What were they gonna do with it?

Cristina: I don't know. Take it to the lab, See if it's human?

Jack: Yeah, probably. They did all that, See if it's.

Cristina: Human or it's alien? I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, I guess if it's alien or. I was guessing, like, what kind of metal it was or something. But.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, I guess. Yeah, I guess he wouldn't think. I'm still thinking, like, it's a ship or something. It could be because, like, it landed and this thing came out of it.

Cristina: Oh, well, wouldn't they have seen the thing that landed?

Jack: Yeah, they saw it literally stop and hover.

Cristina: Well, was it that. That they were looking at? Because they never. This said, really a description of the.

Jack: Thing, that's another problem. It flew by quick. It was just a giant bright light in the sky moving that thing, though.

Cristina: That thing is so big. It might have been that thing, like with its head pointy, like it looks like a rocket. It looks like.

Jack: But then what was this cloud? You think when this thing flies, it leaves a trail of fire.

Cristina: It's glowing. It has a glowing aura.

Jack: But the glowing aura they see, you know what it's kind of making. Maybe when it's flying, it's bigger and more luminescent.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting, Interesting. I'm over here thinking, no, those are two unrelated things.

Cristina: It could totally be the same thing.

Jack: It could totally be the same thing, but also it could totally be two unrelated thing. Or not unrelated, but, you know, it could be that this thing came in.

Cristina: A thing, but they found nothing.

Jack: They saw nothing. They got close, it disappeared. They investigated the back of the farm.

Cristina: They didn't see nothing fly away.

Jack: They saw nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. It just wasn't there.

Cristina: That's weird. It's weird that they would say, see it come, but not see it go.

Jack: Yes, there's a lot of weird.

Cristina: It's a lot of weird. Yeah. I don't know. I don't buy their story.

Jack: Weird, right?

Cristina: Yeah, it's too weird.

Jack: Strange story now because of the news reports this kind of got picked up heavily and it got a couple of agencies worried about maybe there is something going on.

Cristina: But did anyone unrelated to this specific group of people see it?

Jack: No.

Cristina: No.

Jack: But this group of people was made up of random people to begin with.

Cristina: But they were still a group of people.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Made of random. Anybody who witnessed it would have been a group of people at that point.

Cristina: Whatever. I would like to hear about a person who was not in the group that saw it.

Jack: Oh, no. I don't know. It was just like.

Cristina: Maybe the guy that owns the farm was looking in his backyard and he saw it or something. Where's that guy?

Jack: I don't even know. That's an interesting question. I don't know where the guy is, but, yeah, they were going to the backyard. They saw nothing. I don't know. It was just weird.

Cristina: And it left. So, like, it didn't leave or it.

Jack: Didn'T leave, so it just wasn't there suddenly as they got closer, which doesn't.

Cristina: Make sense because it got there.

Jack: Like, we don't know it got there. We don't know if these two things are related. Again, because we see something vanish the way it did. It didn't need to arrive the way something did.

Cristina: Yeah. Two unrelated things happened. You're saying two very strange unrelated things happened? I don't know. It's even harder to imagine that these.

Jack: Two things are unrelated until you remember what we've been looking at. Locations that have many weird things happening.

Cristina: Are you saying this location has more than just these two things happening?

Jack: Well, I'm saying that we've found the thing in which there are other things happening.

Cristina: No, I don't buy. Unless there's many things. Is there many more stories of this location or is these two the same? This one story that has two things in it? The story.

Jack: This is the story. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. I don't know if. I don't think it's really. I don't know. It seems pretty random.

Jack: Yeah. I don't know. What the thing in the sky. I don't think the thing in the sky and this other thing have anything to do with each other.

Cristina: How could they not?

Jack: They're two weird things. I don't know what to tell you, man. It disappeared in a way we know with and is familiar. But something arrived in a way we do not know and is not familiar. Unless some. Unless it was just happened to be that a fight between a freaking Elysian and a Shadow Realm creature took place there, and we Saw the Elysian arrive to the fight, and we saw the Djinn leaving it. We know who the victor was, but, you know, like, that's the only real scenario in which, like. I don't know. I don't know what to tell you, but we were clearly looking at some Shadow realm creature, and something else showed up. Maybe it was actually a meteor. That seems very likely.

Cristina: But it was slowing down, so it does not sound.

Jack: No, you're right. It's slowing down is kind of weird.

Cristina: And it was also glowing.

Jack: It was also. Well, it looked like it was on fire.

Cristina: It was. Whatever.

Jack: It was bright. It was blindingly bright.

Cristina: If you saw this thing with the aura in the sky, it probably looks.

Jack: Like it was not blindingly bright. The aura was faint. It was faintly outlined while the thing in the sky was lighting up. The sky made it look like.

Cristina: They don't have any guesses of what the two things are.

Jack: The thing in the sky was seen.

Cristina: By everybody, by the way, in the town.

Jack: Yes. Multiple people saw the light in the sky move across the sky.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The rest of the story now. But people did see that. And the logical conclusion is, I was probably just a meteor.

Cristina: But the. What they saw was in a meteor.

Jack: Exactly. Because the kids that followed it have a completely. A more complete story of events.

Cristina: Yeah. I mean, we don't know if the two things are the same, though. But we know the first thing is a meteor because it was just being weird. It was just hovering or slowing down or something.

Jack: It was being very strange.

Cristina: Do they know how big it looked, though? How big it looked when it was in the sky?

Jack: I don't know. How do you. How do you even know how close it was?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: You know, it's tricky. You see the problem, though, right? How do we have these two very unrelated events happening simultaneously? They must somehow be related, but not in the way. Not in an obvious sense.

Cristina: They obviously don't have any answers. Okay.

Jack: They obviously don't have any answers in.

Cristina: The investigation whether they discover anything else.

Jack: No, they interrogated the people. They found out that the stories lined up up until the points I've discussed. Those are the things that they all had in common, minus the details that didn't, which you've seen some of them in the images, and there was some of the movement behaviors that they would describe. But other than that, like, useless details, I've thrown away.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They didn't know what else. They really got attention. People came in, like, really, like, what the f*** is wrong? These people are making it up and they checked children to make sure. No, it's checked out.

Cristina: Okay. And that chair, who did that? Just a fan.

Jack: Yeah. So based on the descriptions, many, many, many, many iterations of this have been made. And the description of this has actually always been with NASA as a thing to look for. And I didn't know that. They have a list of random things that can't be explained, that in many instances have many witnesses that they look for in sky.

Cristina: Weird. Yeah, but what are they supposed to look for?

Jack: No, just random bright things. Something moving quickly close by that's just bright things like that.

Cristina: Just, you know, interesting.

Jack: So this is something to casually look for.

Cristina: Yeah. We don't know what this is.

Jack: We don't know what this is. Now, obviously, Mothman. You said it a thousand times. Yes, Mothman. Mothman, Mothman. And the Mothman is a definite possibility for what this could be. But I would argue it's something to be more kind of like Mothman if. How do I put it?

Cristina: If something bad happened afterwards.

Jack: No, the idea would be that Mothman is a type of thing. Actually, Mothman is related to somehow to Banshee, right?

Cristina: Oh, yeah, right.

Jack: But Banshee's always been described as a female.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Boom.

Cristina: So this could be a banshee.

Jack: Male banshee. Well, actually, searching this up, putting these descriptors plugging in everything these people talked about, Banshee is the most consistent thing that came up.

Cristina: Weird. Even though I didn't cry or anything.

Jack: Nope. But the descriptors line up clean. It's behavior, but it isn't. Yeah. The one part is that it's not showing up for omens.

Cristina: No one died recently.

Jack: No one died.

Cristina: Not even on the farm animals.

Jack: This was just a really weird indescript moment. Weird, strange, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But a banshee is definitely not it. We know what a banshee is, but there is something called a Kali, a kalaiich, a kaleech, something like that. And it's Celtic in origin, or at least where they first cataloged its existence. Recorded it. Right.

Cristina: What is it?

Jack: It's some sort of a creature that is humanoid in appearance and tends to look like an old lady, sometimes like a banshee, and often shows up in the winter, but has in other cases been shown up, has shown themselves during really vicious storms. Wandering outside in the wilderness, when animals are stampeding across like they're losing control, that's when you'll see this thing in between almost not getting touched.

Cristina: But nothing of that is happening. None of that's Happening.

Jack: None of that's happening. No, but interesting thing about this creature I'm talking about. It would seem to show up when fear is happening. Right. Storms, wilderness, when there's creatures that are unsettled. The winter when it's darker and colder. Interesting choices of appearance, huh?

Cristina: For that thing, yes.

Jack: For this random creature. Now where this creature seems to line up the most is the fact that its physical description is very similar, although its movements are not and its size is not. So that part of the description though. But it looks like it's wearing a hood. It looks like it's wearing a robe that opens into some sort of mid sized skirt type of thing. It looks like it has an aura around it. But it happens to be about five feet tall.

Cristina: Okay, that's not tall enough.

Jack: No, but the Mothman would also be in between both of those heights.

Cristina: How tall is the Mothman?

Jack: The Mothman would roughly be about 7ft.

Cristina: He's not tall enough either.

Jack: No, this thing is about 10ft. I'm thinking different heights for the same kinds of things. These things that have a tendency to only manifest and enjoy manifesting, not even breeding their own, but just rolling up when it's about to happen naturally.

Cristina: But this thing, I don't. So you're saying they got scared of the comet thing and then that created the fear that summoned this creature, this thing.

Jack: Now you're getting it. I think the paranoia of what was it? But something was there because it slowed down.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So there was something happening. The kids were confidently just going to go watch it land and hit set or blow up in the sky or something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then they were like, what the f***?

Cristina: No, Something weird.

Jack: Yeah, they were just kids. They've probably seen this a thousand times. They're like, oh, it's media, let's go check it out. And then it stopped being a meteor before their eyes. And we're like, no, let's stop checking it out right now.

Cristina: I wish they checked it out. I want to know if it was the creature or are there two things happening? I wanna know why? Why didn't they have something?

Jack: Because people have reason why.

Cristina: Why do they?

Jack: Yeah, but I, you know, I was going down the list of possibilities of.

Cristina: Things that they were besides the Mothman.

Jack: Yeah. It definitely wasn't Jinn. It definitely wasn't a Banshee. The problem is that I do believe it's a Kalaich or whatever the crap that is, and I do believe it's a Mothman. I think it's all of the above. But what would These things be a shadow realm creature. Definitely. A hundred percent. They all fit that description for sure.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But now let's check out the Mothman then. Right, because if you look at the Mothman, he first showed up in 1966. That's mad. Years later. That's 14 years later.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Except it also happened in West Virginia.

Cristina: Really? Really.

Jack: It only happened two hours away.

Cristina: What? So it could be the same thing, but the size difference. Maybe it's baby.

Jack: Now, it's described as large, 7 to 8ft tall, winged, with red eyes, and humanoid in appearance. Now, Mothman is messed up because the Mothman is crazy. Right. He has been seen by over 200 people. There's over 200 real world reports on this same thing.

Cristina: Yes. Which makes him way more believable than this other random thing.

Jack: Except he's the same thing. Yes, but he always showed. Showed up. Always. In every instance, before and after something bad happened. He seems to be the. The closest thing to a Banshee possible. Right. Before and after something. Well, the Banshee only shows up before. The fact that he shows up after is crazy. Also, the fact that he shows up before is crazy. Also, the fact that a Banshee shows up before is crazy. Weird fact that Shadow Wyrm creatures know somehow.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They can see the future somehow. Or feel it.

Cristina: Maybe they feel it. Maybe they have some sixth sense to.

Jack: Fear hect the future. Yeah, because they know to go, like sometimes months ahead.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like weird. But again, this Mothman creature does this and he shows up and he's associated with the Silver Bridge collapse, which is the craziest scenario. And many people saw. This is where he was seen by the most people. And then the bridge collapsed and hella people died. Over 200 eyewitnesses. How absurd.

Cristina: And then after that bridge, they stopped seeing him.

Jack: They stopped seeing him after the collapse of the bridge? Well, no, he's been seen on and off. That was just the most massive sighting. Okay, now the idea here would be that whatever this creature is, is a Mothman. But a Mothman doesn't make sense because that creature was described as them by female. They are genders to it. A banshee is also female. Now, we're describing these things in isolation, but the behavior seems to be on point. They're very close in similarity, and they're very close in sort of what they do. They show up before. They never seem to be involved in what's happening.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And they seem to kind of enjoy being there mostly beforehand, minus the Mothman, who shows up after it's also the only male version of this we've seen that happens to show up after as well. Although none of them seem to remain during the tragedy that's occurring.

Cristina: Well, what tragedy would have been the one for this one if this was somehow related?

Jack: For what? The.

Cristina: I don't know. It's got the monster.

Jack: The monster. You know what's interesting? I only thought about this connection right now, but the logical conclusion would have been to see if a tragedy happened in the area.

Cristina: Mm. You know, you did not do that, though, did you?

Jack: I did not, but we have the power of research.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: Maybe it's totally related.

Cristina: They all died.

Jack: They didn't all die. Had nothing to do with them. But about 40 minutes away, there was a. The local hospital that people use from that area, which. God, bro, how far? 40 minutes away to the. You at least have a clinic or some, right? Well, that's crazy. You at least have a clinic or something, bro. That's crazy. I've never heard of some like that Anyways. D***, bro. D***. How many? I guess one hospital would be enough if there's nobody between here and West Bubba, right?

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: Like, one hospital is probably still empty.

Cristina: So what happened though, anyways?

Jack: Yeah, at that hospital. Fire kills 17 people in the hospital.

Cristina: In the same day?

Jack: Or just this happened around the same time following month.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: So, yeah, maybe, I don't know, just random other events. Random thing goes through the sky, random unrelated things shows up, and then a random other thing.

Cristina: Mothman.

Jack: Why Mothman? Specifically, the Mothman is a type of thing.

Cristina: The eyes, I think, is what makes it feel Mothman.

Jack: Right, but what is the Mothman? There's no such thing as a Mothman. A moth is just an Earth side creature.

Cristina: Whatever this is. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, it's some. It should have a name.

Cristina: That's the name we gave it.

Jack: No, that's a name for a thing that's unrelated to the other two things that are in isolation, their own things.

Cristina: I cannot. Can't just call them all Mossman because they're not. Why? What do we do call them?

Jack: I don't know. We need a name for them. I'm sure we can find a name somewhere, put that they all kind of genuinely fit. But it is some sort of Shadowrum creature.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's not an animal like a Win Dingo or wetchudge.

Cristina: It's just a thing that knows when it's about to happen.

Jack: It's. There seem to be several different types of humanoid creatures, and there seem to be different types of humanoid creatures in Elfame as well. In fact, every thing that humans have ever interacted with from that side, other than unicorns, which seem to not even be from that side.

Cristina: Yeah, humanoid.

Jack: Yeah, they're all high intelligence. But I would argue that it looks like the Shadow Realm has the most. Without counting that. Like us versus Shadow Realm. But we also have a bunch of crap that we're just. The problem is we are oppressive as f***.

Cristina: I don't know. We're probably equal to the. Well, we are in the Shadow Realm where it's shadow. Where is the Shadow Realm? Shadow. So I don't know.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Look like them. They don't look like us.

Jack: We look like them. They don't. I mean. Yeah, they've been around longer, right?

Cristina: Yeah, he made us out of that.

Jack: Yeah. No, it seems that there is some now. Okay. There's originally a creature called a strix that was first written about in Greek mythology. And they described it as a bird of ill omen, often depicted as an owl or a bat like creature.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The next part is incredibly informative. And it feeds on human flesh and fear. Blood. Oh, interesting.

Cristina: Shadow Realm creature.

Jack: It stopped being one the moment I told you. What I told you.

Cristina: Blood.

Jack: The blood. It is a Shadow Realm creature, but it wasn't always a Shadow Realm creature. I think we have just found what the f*** an owl looks like when it consumes adrenochrome.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And I think all these other. Keep in mind the descriptors line up and they are always giant, like weird, tall standing.

Cristina: But we never catch it feeding though.

Jack: We never catch it feeding. But we do know that owls are particularly vicious hunters.

Cristina: You think if they are bodies, they're just. They're just gone. Whatever the bodies are.

Jack: I don't know. But also like it could. Again, this is just a descriptor that the Greek have, right. Of a creature that lines up. It's a bird that shows up during bad omens. But what happens? We know that different creatures take adrenochrome. Their intelligence rises dramatically. I mean some of them, some of them don't, but. Interesting. So then what would happen with an owl? This. The fact that this thing gets so humanoid, so astoundingly humanoid. But many different bird like things are not different. They're all the same. The size is really the variation here.

Cristina: I think the arms relate to birds and that's why you said before with the arms.

Jack: A lot of people tried to debunk this and a lot of the conclusions. The problem is that One person's explanation would be broken by the other. But collectively you could kind of solve.

Cristina: Here and there, someone said birds.

Jack: Somebody thought maybe there was a bird actually standing there that got caught in trees and had crap hanging off of it. And the hands were actually just holding on to the fence.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And so what you're seeing, and it's a tall fence, so this, it's a fence to stop animals, horses from leaping over it and s***. So you got this tall a** fence and then you got a bird perch on top of it. And they're saying that now again, warped, obviously. How the h*** is this tiny little bird gonna have these giant arms sticking in front of it? But, you know, as people trying to figure out. Yeah, like, hey, what's the logical conclusion to this? Or whatever. It never got summed up. And that's why real forces came in, interrogated people and like, well, crap, maybe there is something. But the closest I could find to a name is strix.

Cristina: That's cool.

Jack: And a strix is essentially the Greek breaking down what sounds like an owl that had a drink.

Cristina: Yeah, Yeah, I think this makes sense. That could be what we're looking at in the real world.

Jack: Definitely be what we're looking at. And again, how it behaved was very owl, but only the one in the farm. Because maybe the lady leans more towards a banshee.

Cristina: What lady?

Jack: I mean, not the lady. What am I talking about?

Cristina: The Mothman.

Jack: The Mothman. Maybe the Mothman leads more towards a banshee, a male banshee. And the kiliage is more like, why.

Cristina: Do you think the Mothman is the male banshee?

Jack: Its behavior is identical.

Cristina: Yeah, like, why are you making it a male?

Jack: I guess you're making it a Mothman.

Cristina: Yes, exactly. But like, that's a dumb name. That's describing something. But like, is it a man? Can people tell that it's a man? Like, it could definitely just be a female. Yeah, it could just be a banshee.

Jack: The banshee has been described as a female. It's not an animal. Banshee. Yeah, it's a lady. It's a lady. It's always a lady. There's always something off about her. But like, physically there's something that they can't quite like. I would argue those descriptions lean into an imitation that isn't perfect, but you can't tell where it's not perfect.

Cristina: Okay. But for a Mothman, there's no way you can think it might be a lady. It's for sure a man that they're.

Jack: Looking at if the mothman has been described as having broaden shoulders. But that could still be a female. Anyways, this is pretty much all I've got.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think the thing that happened at the farm was we were looking at shadow room creatures. A Shadow Realm creature. I have no. I. I think it was a meteor and a shadow room creature. And maybe the owl happened to intersect and you see both happening simultaneously. The fear that they felt or excitement. I don't know. It was excitement.

Cristina: Meteor is too weird to think that that was an actual.

Jack: I know something weird did happen, but I didn't. I looked. I couldn't find anything. It kind of just looks like it was a meteor. Until they're just. Maybe they were met their minds mess with them. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. That there was a tragedy did happen eventually.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I don't know. It's weird.

Cristina: Maybe the thing made it see things. Made them see things. Maybe they. It was around.

Jack: It's a Pokemon. It's not that. Well, it's using psychic on them.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. And that's why. That explains the head turning. But it's not turning.

Jack: Because that is interesting. It's causing illusions.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It made them see the thing in the sky and follow the thing in the sky. Which brought the curiosity. Oh. Luring them to get. Maybe it was trying to feed.

Cristina: Maybe it was.

Jack: Oh, maybe they just saved themselves by actually getting that National Guard. Making it too bright. And that was like. No. Because the fear left. Light came. Fear left. They were confident suddenly.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: You know. That they were willing to walk forward onto it. The light made them safe. Which explains why light has always been the. If you can see, it's not the unknown. Right. And sort of like you feel better if you can see.

Cristina: It might be saving these people.

Jack: Light literally saves from the Shadow Realm creatures. I've never thought about how logical that is and why we would call them Shadow Realm creatures then. Because if there's more light, there's less fear. Because you understand your surroundings better.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's natural fear when you don't know your surroundings.

Cristina: And that's why all those Clinton stories. Yeah.

Jack: Because you don't know your surroundings. Duh. Night is the most obvious time for anything from the shadow realm to get through. Because fear just kind of goes up the more the unknown comes up.

Cristina: Perfect.

Jack: Duh. Oh man. It was so obvious.

Cristina: Very.

Jack: Hermes always knew. He's like. It's always been in front of you. You just gotta think about it, right, bro?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we're like, so slow. We're so behind. We try so much. We're so behind. But little by little, every new location, we learn a little something new.

Cristina: I think we did. I don't know what it was, but we learned something.

Jack: We learned that light actually stops problems to some degree.

Cristina: It helps.

Jack: It helps against shadow creatures because it illuminates.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And thus we probably nickname them in return, the shadow creatures.

Cristina: It makes perfect sense.

Jack: Anyways, that's all we have. If you guys have anything to talk about, to tell us, any information you know about anything we discuss, let us know. But also challenge us to relate. Anything. Yes, challenge us. I dare you. And you can do that at our socials, at just Convopod. That's on Tick Tock, on Instagram, on Facebook, on X, everywhere.

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Jack: Bye.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.in fox art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister. With social media managed by Amber Black.

July 29, 2023

Rambling 236: Hinduism and Their Shadow Realm

July 29, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

How does Hinduism connect to the ongoing Narrative? Do ancient Hindus know of Adrenochrome? What are their thoughts on the Shadow Realm? The due continue turning every rock related to the Sea People, The Shadow Realm and Adrenochrome they find. This time, they deep dive into Hinduism and discover an interesting new fact!

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Hinduism
Naraka
Patala
The Netherworld
Svarge
Mount Meru
Adrenochrome
Soma
Holy Plant of Hoama

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+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And lately we've been going down the infinite Rabb. It is whatever the h*** adrenochrome is, whoever the f*** the sea people are and whatever the crap the connection between them and the shadow Realm is. And it seems that everyone on Earth who's been around before the time of Christ and roughly about 200 years after him and then popping up again somewhere in the 1700s is somehow related.

Cristina: It's a mess.

Jack: It's a f****** mess. Everyone, across all ways, is somehow connected to all of these things in some crazy way. Elites and ancient civilizations that are technologically advanced and weird creatures.

Cristina: And yet a lot of it still doesn't make sense.

Jack: A lot of it connects and we don't know why. Yes, that's why, like, the dots connecting make sense. Why they're connecting doesn't. That's what's really weird. So let us do a quick recap.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We've established that adrenochrome is actually more than one thing.

Cristina: Three things.

Jack: It's three things. It's nectar, the liquefied blood, adrenalized, it's ambrosia, organs pumped with adrenalized blood, and ichor, which is sort of distilled adrenalized blood. A person consumes nectar, and then you extract from their blood, the ichor. All three of these things more or less do the same things. They give you immortality, youth. They allow you to come back from the Shadow Realm when you die. By the way, you go to the Shadow Realm when you die if you consume these things. But interestingly enough, a thing we've only recently found out is a fourth consistent feature of them is the ability to hear. Creatures from the Shadow Realm. They all think it's gods from the.

Cristina: Other side for some reason. What just popped up into my head is, like, they all give you power, but, like, we all thought power meant, like in the society, like, they rule over us. That's the power that they're trying to gain. But no. Yes, but no. They're getting powers. Like, supernatural powers. Like they're getting actual sort of powers.

Jack: Yeah, they've always been getting powers. We've experimented with giving them the humans that become kind of vampiric, which is why the elites behave the way they do.

Cristina: They need to. But when you talk. When people talk about like they're trying to get power, you know, like when that's mentioned outside of adrenochrome, you're not thinking of that type of power. I mean, when you are talking about adrenochrome, you're thinking about normal type of power of like over people and stuff like that. The power to rule. Not something magical. I guess.

Jack: Yeah. The way people discuss it seems to be that they're talking about it that way. That it is, you know, somehow consuming. This allows you to, you know, somehow it's. It's underwear. Gnomes.

Cristina: Yes. That's why we always talked about it.

Jack: Yeah. Acquire adrenochrome, something, then rule the world.

Cristina: Yes. But now we sort of get it.

Jack: Yeah, well, so. Well, we don't get anything. It's so g****** complicated.

Cristina: We're closer to understanding.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. So it's so complicated, really is. Because even again, something about Earth in particular, because we got creatures coming from other. Wherever. Interdimensional creatures and creatures from outer space. Extraterrestrial creatures coming for exactly the same things. And that's weird.

Cristina: Well, we don't know if the terrestrial creature.

Jack: We know that the extraterrestrial creature that we compared to the Chupacabra was coming for that. And he's not the only one. We've established a couple of creatures in our previous episodes that aren't necessarily from Earth and are all sort of after the same thing.

Cristina: Like the cat people, I don't feel like were.

Jack: Well, the cat people are a weird one because what the h*** is even happening with that? That's highly.

Cristina: The roach people were not.

Jack: No, but. Well, we don't know. We don't know. We didn't have all these connections before, so there's no way to actually know. We would need to look into them and see if they do connect. Nevertheless, the Egyptians particularly connect. So why wouldn't the cat people. Again, we haven't looked in their direction like this.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: But the very civilization that they were involved with does. So why wouldn't they? It's just we didn't have the information before. It was long before we had all these pieces. So that's just an assumption at this point.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But back to the point, we got adrenochrome, which is three different parts.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then they cause the abilities again of immortality, of youth, of the ability to cross into the shadow realm when you die and return if you somehow find a way. And the ability to contact or communicate with creatures from the shadow realm while still alive on this end. Not only that, the big problem with adrenochrome, specifically nectar and ambrosia. I think nectar more than is. If you consume it, you must continue to consume it. Again, issue with the elites. It basically turns you into a vampire and you have to keep consuming, otherwise you become something more like a zombie feral monster. Yes, very fallout ghoul. Yeah, Fallout feral goal. Just savage, unthinking. So they continue to do whatever they can to consume it. Seems like California at this moment has become the harvesting ground ever since Weinstein. Not Weinstein. Epstein's island, which was the previous harvesting ground, was completely eradicated. So at this point, they're so desperate they don't even care. They're just blatant about it now.

Cristina: Insane. Okay, yeah.

Jack: It is what it is. Right now it's not entirely clear what the goal of using this is, what the goal of inventing this is or discovering this. We know the people of the past were using this. People that were considered gods were probably just humans on some variant of adrenochrome that other people didn't understand. And they had powers and abilities and were superior and immortality and blah, blah, blah, called them gods almost in every culture, almost from every religion. These were the gods.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Very interesting similarities across everything. Now, one group of people who didn't were the people from the Persian Gulf.

Cristina: Oasis, didn't do what?

Jack: Never touched adrenochrome. They seem to, on the other hand, have the second piece of this puzzle, the sea people, directly connected to the history of Jesus Christ, the Magi that.

Cristina: Is so secretive down there. How do you know they don't have to deal with adrenochrome? Like there's no mention of it, but there's not. We don't really know anything that they're doing. We don't know where they're the most advanced thing we've ever.

Jack: Yes, but it seems like everybody wants what they have. Yes, and if you already have adrenochrome, why would you need what they have? If adrenochrome does the same thing that the alicorn does. No, they must not have adrenochrome. There must be something superior on top of the fact that the sea people had this weird migration pattern hid entirely from Jesus Christ, who was also a sea person, as was Mary, watched by the Magi, who later created the Knights Templar in order to correct the narrative of Jesus Christ. Complicated. What are they hiding? The possibility that the Garden of Eden is some sort of technology. There are not two, three fruits yes. And one of them seems to do almost identically what adrenochrome does. Adrenal does. You have the fruit of knowledge, the fruit of life, which gives you that same immortality. And then the fruit of the. The cavalry fruit, which is essentially a fruit that allows you to transcend to the other realm. Yes, the Templar twisted that in the Bible and named it. Made it seem like it was just the cross that Jesus was crucified on. But that seems to be incorrect when you translate the original texts without counting on the Holy Bible, King James Version, many similar texts. It seems to be that there was in fact another fruit. Because that can be confirmed because the Norse also discussed their universe based on a tree. Their universe about moving through different realms was entirely based on a tree connecting the realms.

Cristina: Okay, if they have that tree, how did he get a hand of a fruit from that tree?

Jack: I don't know. That's another question we have no answer for.

Cristina: Because he know he was fishing to the butts stuff.

Jack: And yes, Jesus is the only sea person we know of who was directly in contact with some form of adrenochrome.

Cristina: How did he get to an apple? Cuz they're so good at it. Doesn't make sense.

Jack: The absurd nature with which they're secretive is mind blowing.

Cristina: Exactly. So how is it possible? Was his mom helped him somehow?

Jack: No, because she had not been. You said the same thing last time. And it makes no sense because she never got there until he died. He had already been dead. And then she began her track there.

Cristina: What is she had it with her? I don't understand. Why can't she have taken out?

Jack: How would she have. She wasn't even involved with the thing. As far as we know. We got three names of three people who were actually working on this project. Jehovah. Whatever the h*** serpent is. Unless she's the serpent. And Lilith. Lilith created an army of demons because she didn't have Eve, which was the second part of this technology named Adam and Eve. So she was cast out for using this project at all in order to attack or do whatever she. I guess you want to conquer the sea people? Maybe. I don't know. So she's cast out of the project. We still know who the h*** the serpent really is. That's a code name of some sort. And then Jehovah, which is the creator of this.

Cristina: Although she was the serpent. That's really cool because then. Yeah, then there you go.

Jack: Because why would they welcome her back?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: And also, as whoever the serpent is is being watched as much as Lilith because of what they're protecting and what they're dealing with. There's no way they'd let somebody just leave when the point of them protecting this so avidly is.

Cristina: Yes, they're watching her that whole time.

Jack: Yeah, they had the Manji on her.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: And Joseph was probably one of the maji. He was directly next to her. She was being watched. Yeah, she was being watched. There's no way. Dude, there's no way. She. She did not. It wasn't her.

Cristina: There's something missing to the story.

Jack: Something missing. Somehow he got a hold of a piece of fruit, or not a piece of fruit, but whole fruit from the Tree of Cavalry.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: This allowed him to fully die, which is a requirement of the fruit in order to then come back to life. And it gives you the ability of a fairy to move across.

Cristina: It could be that or it could be. What was the other option? Nectar. Like, it could have been either or for him.

Jack: It could have been either or. Yeah, he probably. The idea is he probably already had nectar and that's why he went around spreading it to his homies, telling them about him giving them the thing. And he also made gates, presumably to come back himself. Yeah, he was preparing for his death.

Cristina: Yeah. So he might not have had that fruit.

Jack: Maybe he had an Albert Wesker kind of scenario. Dying was part of the plan in order to have these abilities he was looking for. Yeah, so he needed to consume nectar and ambrosia, let himself die, go to the other side. But he knew this was gonna happen. So he took a trip, established some gates, came back.

Cristina: Yes, because there's no way. There's no way there is that fruit that does all that things. But there's no way he had that. So he must have planned it all out.

Jack: Yeah, I don't. No way to tell, but it looks like it. So there's some plan on his side and the sea people don't like him. And it's likely because, by the way, sea people, Atlantean, same thing. It's possible that it's because you're trying to protect this technology named the Garden of Eden that contains the apples. The three different apples. And. Is this some sort of lab or some s***?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: On top of the fact that they made Mount Kaathe absolutely vanish, which was a direct passageway in and out of the Shadow Realm. Enter the third part of our equation, the f****** Shadow Realm. It seems to be that there's something really overpowered on that side. That it's pretending to be some sort of God and trying to communicate with people and bring itself through.

Cristina: Yes. And it probably does come through every once in a while, but just can't stay out here. I don't know why, and I don't know if somehow the thing that they have in their technology can somehow help him stay here. Is that even his goal? Does he want to be in and out? Like, who knows? There's so many questions.

Jack: Yes. And the fact that the shadow realm is the resemblance of our human realm, the mortal realm, but twisted and contorted and foggy. According to the Norse.

Cristina: Foggy.

Jack: Foggy and misty. Darker. And there are beings over there, Djinn, who are essentially the humans of that side. There are gods to the Djinn, which are similar to the vampiric consumers of adrenochrome from this descent. But something that we do not know about the other side because there must be a third realm we're unaware of that is not. The shadow realm is where fairies come from. That we do not know the answer to that question. We know they can move through the mortal realm and through the shadow realm effortlessly. And it might be that unicorns are the same thing.

Cristina: A fairy don't come from that place.

Jack: But they don't come from the shadow realm. We know that much. They just move in and out. So where do they come from? Complicated. Weird. These are the questions we are actively trying to answer and how they connect to each other. What the point is.

Cristina: That's very important.

Jack: Yes. So we've looked at a bunch of religions, gone through Greek mythology and gone through Norse mythology, gone through Christianity, looking through things, looking for different blood rituals that connect directly to adrenochrome, which the Viking had and the Christians had and the Greek had. And this how it came to these, it led us to all these different versions of adrenochrome. And it seems that collectively around the world, mostly around the. The old equator, there are a bunch of civilizations directly connected to the sea people that gave them information in preparation for something presumably they're hiding, is my theory. Now, they were preparing everybody for their disappearance here. Advance forward. We're gonna disappear one day.

Cristina: Okay. That makes sense.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: But what is the ultimate point of all this? So I figure the only way to really continue digging and investigating is to look into other belief systems.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The next one that I took a deep dive into looking for, again, the same patterns we find seemingly everywhere was Hinduism. We've never turned a single stone relative to this. The closest thing we got to is Buddhism and Shinto gates.

Cristina: Shinto gates. There's more.

Jack: Which leads us back to Jesus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But we haven't gone to Hinduism. Absolutely random other thing that's unrelated. So in looking into Hinduism, we come across again. I was trying to find the shadow realm. Trying to find the shadow realm, but I found out that they do in fact have a version of H***.

Cristina: Okay, what's that like?

Jack: Well, it's H***, but so it's called Naraka. Interesting enough, it seems that h*** in the Greek mythology, in the Norse mythology, in Christianity, in Hinduism, is beneath the world, whatever that might be. It's always beneath the world. Specifically in Hinduism, they say it's not just beneath the world, but it's beneath the universe. Interesting thing that they have. That falls in line with some ideas we've come across but haven't established before. You can come back from this h***, they say how?

Cristina: No.

Jack: Oh, well, I didn't look into that specifically. It was just fascinating that you can come back from that place.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So that's interesting. I was thinking that's the shadow realm that they're conflating with H***.

Cristina: Yeah, that sounds like you could do that. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: Except their shadow realm is called Potala.

Cristina: Oh, they have a shadow realm.

Jack: They have a shadow realm. They call it the netherworld or the underworld. But it's essentially the same idea. It's a beautiful earth like place. Darker, slightly more twisted, but very earth like. And just like Norse mythology, filled with groves and rivers, which seem to be the focal point of that place. Fascinating. Very similar to Nuffelheim is the shadow realm of lunars.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which was the realm of fog and mist. The only difference here is that it's not a realm of fog and mist. It is contorted. It is more twisted. It's more like the shadow realm depicted in old Germanic religions.

Cristina: Okay. So the shadow realm and H*** are separate.

Jack: The shadow realm and H*** are separate. But this h*** is one we can come from, come back from. So it's not a one way trip. Which again falls in line with the Norse. It's not a one way trip, it's.

Cristina: A way out to all these locations.

Jack: All these locations coexist the many realms. So it seems when comes to visualization, when. When it comes to traversal, the most accurate of all are the Norse. They're just locations you can travel to.

Cristina: Okay. And in their shadow realm, you could go in and out.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so can you. From their heaven called Svark.

Cristina: Just going out of there.

Jack: So their heaven is Set in a celestial. It's a series of celestial worlds similar to the Norse. Here's where this gets interesting. It's located above a mountain called Mount Meru.

Cristina: No, another mountain.

Jack: This is a five peaked mountain.

Cristina: What does that even mean?

Jack: It has five peaks.

Cristina: So it's not multiple mountains?

Jack: No, it's one mountain with five peaks.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And their heaven begins at the top of the central tallest peak.

Cristina: Okay, Very.

Jack: Again, Norse. Directly over the tree. Very north. On top of Mount Olympus.

Cristina: Mount Olympus is not Norse.

Jack: Very Greek. I said. Oh, Norse on top of a mountain. And Greek like mount. Unless I said Norris twice. But Greek. Mount Olympus.

Cristina: Yes. Christian heaven on top of the sky. I guess. I don't know.

Jack: Well, here's what's interesting. Christianity might be the only one that isn't directly referring to a heaven on top of a mountain. We had Moses go and talk to God on top of a mountain.

Cristina: That's for sure. On a mountain.

Jack: But what mountain was it? Fascinating. Right? Fascinating. There is a mountain.

Cristina: There is mountain.

Jack: It's called Mount Sinai. Mount Sinai is renowned as the principal site of divine revelation in Judaism, where God is reported to have appeared to Moses and given him the Ten Commandments. Fascinating. And this mountain is located in Egypt, One of the two primary locations that contacted and have information directly from the sea people.

Cristina: Yes. What does this mean?

Jack: What the h***?

Cristina: Is he talking to the sea people?

Jack: Not only that, but the sea people. Not the sea people. But Christianity and Jews hold another mountain completely sacred, primarily Christians, which is Mount Athos. And that's the mountain where the sea people arrive from. Do they consider that a mountain that connects to heaven? Is that what they're protecting? Is that what they're indirectly protecting? A gate to heaven? Quote unquote.

Cristina: It would make sense.

Jack: Jehovah, the sea person was contacting Moses the Jew on top of a mountain in Egypt.

Cristina: So not the other?

Jack: Yes, both.

Cristina: Both.

Jack: This was before they moved.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Mount Athos is after they fled the Persian Gulf oasis. Mount Sinai is before. This is the mountain they would originally contact these people at. It was closer to home.

Cristina: So it's mostly them on mountains first. Then once they kind of disappeared from our lives, the new God or whatever decided he was gonna take up mountain. Mountain spots.

Jack: No, everybody had mountain spots.

Cristina: Everyone had mountain spots. Okay.

Jack: Everybody had mountain spots. A lot of people were happening at the same time in different locations. Everybody had mountain spots. Something about mountains. There's something about mountains that's significant, that's magical. Magical. Whether they must all be portals to. To different dimensions of some Sort considering having a different dimension wouldn't be too far off the stretch. Because Mount Kaf went up, but took you to the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: And that means there really have to be portals that are taking us to underground too. There's something down there.

Jack: Yeah, there must be. Just like the Norse believe. Just like the Greek believe, if you go below, there is something. Oh, wait, there will be taken somewhere.

Cristina: The lizard people were down there. And then we destroyed it. Right, that happened.

Jack: Right. But religiously speaking, there are many, many, a lot of examples of there being either a direct path down that leads you somewhere, or you go down to a place that takes you somewhere.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now, if we were to go straight down. Now, there isn't something holding up Earth. That's not how it works. That's not happening. Greek mythology's example of it doesn't make any sense. Unless you go down towards Earth, the center of the Earth, and you find some sort of gate that takes you somewhere where there's a creature holding up an entire platform that people live on. Interesting. That's different than if he's literally holding Earth. Our Earth is round. It's three dimensional. What do you mean if Hades holding up the Earth or whatever.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Is her 80s, whoever's being punished in Greek mythology holding up the entire planet.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The planet must be a flat plane in order for that to be the case. Or if it's an orb, we're still on only one side of it. So if we were to go underground and go to their version of h***, perhaps there is just a portal that takes you to this place. This place is some sort of flat plane that we're on top of, and there's something punished holding it up. Maybe that is exactly what's happening. But we're thinking, oh, it doesn't make sense. Earth is round. Yes. Because we're on a three dimensional plane. That's a different realm that works differently. And everything is on one side.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The same. In Norse mythology, you could just take a trip on the river Styx. But what's the River Styx?

Cristina: It's a.

Jack: It's a river. Why would it take you to a H*** like place? Unless there's a portal on this river.

Cristina: Oh, yes. Okay.

Jack: Portals everywhere.

Cristina: This portal is everywhere.

Jack: They take you to certain places and certain people know how to get there. Sometimes you got to summon the portal, perhaps with a ritual of sorts.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Places of concentration that we've established.

Cristina: But are these. Are the. Like, are they other dimensions or are they actual physical places that we are just. These portals can take Us, like maybe it's a different planet, that it's. We're connecting to that planet or something that has a different atmosphere or whatever.

Jack: It could a hundred percent be also not dimensions, but realms. Yes, 100% could be. Because we've established that a lot of these places have extremely advanced technology. But the shadow realm looks very similar to Earth. And it is a place that you can cross without needing technology.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And creatures fly here from outside our planet looking for these same abilities that we just casually have here. I think those things write off the likelihood that. And we do have technologies that are very literally technologies. Look inside the pyramid, we have the ability to just teleport.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Anywhere.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There. But it's obviously technology. We can tell it's technology. It's unquestionably technology. I think the nature of a gate that looks like magic is actually some sort of. Maybe not certainly magic, but it's not technology in the way we understand it.

Cristina: And it's not taking us to another planet.

Jack: No. Because we have technologies that do that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It looks like these are realms.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, different places where different things work. The shadow realm isn't necessarily physical. There's no way in there without adrenochrome. But then you have adrenochrome and now you can get there. Weird.

Cristina: Yes. Unless you're a fairy.

Jack: Unless you're a fairy. Again, we don't even know what fairies are because of these interesting features. So the idea is that Mount Sinai was the location specifically where Jehovah was in fact contacting people. And then when the sea people migrated and left. Alternatively, Jehovah that we're talking about before the New Testament isn't the same Jehovah we're talking about after the don't worship other gods. No. That's a very specific God from the shadow realm. That's Jehovah of Dark.

Cristina: That would be Moses's.

Jack: That's Moses's God. He went to Mount Sinai. So regardless, the sea people were never there. That's more like Mount Kaf. If anything. Something about going to the top of mountains allow you to tune into these different realms. And he went up there and tuned into the shadow realm where he got orders from Jehovah of Dark.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: I don't know. But okay, so we have Naraka the H***, Patala the Netherworld, and Svarg, the heaven equivalent. And then we have the five peak mountain called Mount Maru. Yes.

Cristina: There's another mountain. I just remembered which mountain. I don't know its name, but St. Patrick was there for 40 days, fasting and. And then until God promised him many things. I remember one of them was to let him be the judge of sinners in heaven. The Irish.

Jack: So he went up and got powers and then came down?

Cristina: Well, yeah. For the. After he had. I think the promises were for the afterlife or for when he went to heaven.

Jack: So hold on, hold on, hold on. He went up to a mountain and was told that in the afterlife he would have abilities.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then came down from the mountain.

Cristina: Yes, bro.

Jack: Somebody told him he's gonna go to the shadow realm.

Cristina: Yeah. On the mountain. Someone told him.

Jack: Someone told them, I can get you into the shadow realm.

Cristina: Yep. It's crazy. I don't know what mountain it was, but another mountain.

Jack: At this point, we can start discarding mountains because we understand that generally speaking, mountains, a specific mountain, who cares? Generally speaking, mountains. Something about mountains.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Some more than others, but something about mountains. All of them. All mountains. There's something. Or tall mountains. Particularly tall mountains. Although Athos is not a particularly tall mountain. That's just a unique mountain. Alternatively, that mountain itself has some sort of field of energy around it that prevents any magic or ability from taking place everywhere except in the summit. That mountain is just unique for a reason.

Cristina: But it's not just mountains. It's kind of like everywhere. That's not normal for us is something's hiding in there. Like every lake has some type of sea monster in it. Protecting something.

Jack: Protecting something.

Cristina: Every volcano has something in there.

Jack: Mm.

Cristina: Like it's just random locations that it's not. We can't.

Jack: Where it's hard for us to get to is where things will hide their stuff.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now this five peak mountain, there's something very important about this five peak mountain that I think is one of the most important details about this deep dive. The five peak mountain that the Hindus believe in. Mount Maru. Meru is the Hindu word. The word Meru is in Hindu, Right. And this mountain is specifically located formerly. Listen to these words. Formerly located northeast of India. But the exact location was never known by the Indians. They just know it was northeast India. Okay. This right here is a map of India.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Northeast of India. Slowly migrate northeast of India. What do you find? Keep going.

Cristina: Keep going from there.

Jack: Keep going. Northeast from India.

Cristina: Am I going even more farther up? Like, I don't know, north east? Iran.

Jack: Okay. Yes, Iran. What's below Iran? That's the Persian Gulf right there.

Cristina: Right?

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Yeah, keep going.

Jack: More northeast. That right there. Directly northeast from India. Just so happens to be the location of Mount Kaf.

Cristina: What does that relate to what you're saying?

Jack: What we're saying Mount Meru is in the Indian texts, said to be directly northeast of India. That's formerly its location. Formerly as in it's no longer there. A mountain that's no longer there and was northeast of India. You follow northeast from India and new land at the exact location where Mount Kaf was.

Cristina: That's so far away, though. I don't understand.

Jack: Yeah, they also had no idea where the mountain was. They just knew it was northeast of their location.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They've never seen Mount Kaf. I mean, they've never seen Mount Meadow.

Cristina: Okay. Because now it's somewhere in that location.

Jack: Yes. No longer is. They know it was. And no longer is. Now, I'm not saying there's the same mountain. I'm saying you go northeast from India and you can land at Mount Kaf. And that's the only mountain that, just like Mount Meru is no longer there. They're probably talking about the same mountain, and that's a h*** of a distance.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But it just happens to be northeast.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Could be a coincidence. But why would it be in the same direction?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I thought that was incredibly interesting.

Cristina: That's interesting. Yeah.

Jack: If you were to draw a straight line, you just land at the body of water where Mount Kaf was. That's weird.

Cristina: What is this one?

Jack: Now, mountain wise, that's the most important detail. We come across Mount Meru. That could, for all intents and purposes, also be Mount Kaath.

Cristina: Are they described the same? They're not described as a 5.2 mountain.

Jack: Mount Khaf is not described as at all.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: There's no description of Mount Kaf. There's just. You go to the peak of Mount Khaf and you can access the shadow the of. All right. Mount Meru is an access point to the heavens. As far as they know, they've never seen it, so they're assuming the heavens are up there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, I wanted to know how they relate to adrenochrome. Very important.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: There's a connection.

Jack: Well, that's what I'm about to tell you. Like the sea people, there's actually literally no connection. There is a respect for life. They are not to consume life. They are not to consume blood. The only times that a sacrifice of life is made is just for God. God is in heaven. Now, let me tell you how specific a sacrifice for God is.

Cristina: Yes, please.

Jack: The human must be sacrificed while alive and whole, tossed into A fire pit. God requires the sacrifice to be absolutely conscious and present as they become one. What?

Cristina: This is horrifying.

Jack: Yes, but that's the point, it seems.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The person will be way more horrified.

Cristina: How do they have a connection to him, though? It seems like the other stories, they had to have some kind of connection, whether it was adrenochrome or whatever. But these people are supposed to not.

Jack: Do anything and like, to get to this mountain. That's a h*** of a journey.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, how is this happening? Like now they're not the ones doing these human sacrifices. They just know that that was.

Jack: I don't know. But like, after you find out that northeast of Mount is Mount Meadow and that you have to basically horrify somebody as they slowly die in a sacrifice to God, it kind of crosses real well at those two points. That's probably Mount Kaf.

Cristina: It can't be the same people, though. They're doing these sacrifices.

Jack: How are they getting a sacrifice up there? Unless the trek is part of the ritual. This long f****** journey to make the sacrifice.

Cristina: But they're not drinking any blood. They're not drinking any blood, getting any connection to this guy.

Jack: They're going to the mountain. That is the access point. You don't want. Need the blood. The mountain can take you there.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: That's why it's weird that they specifically said northeast. It takes you to the one place you don't need adrenochrome to access the shadow realm. The literal access point to the shadow realm.

Cristina: Being close to death has anything to do with it too. Like they. They travel all that distance. They must have been dying. How long did Moses stay on that mountain?

Jack: 40 days and 40 nights.

Cristina: Patrick was up there 40 days as well. Like, they're. They were not doing very well.

Jack: They weren't doing very well.

Cristina: So maybe that's also helps communicating with.

Jack: This being on the mountain partially dead. Yeah, that could be the case. That could definitely.

Cristina: There's something that you have. Like a normal person going on a mountain isn't really going to have that connection. But maybe someone meditating.

Jack: Maybe something about the human life force prevents you from accessing the shadow realm. And so the less of it you have, the more connected you can be. But we don't have proof of that.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Except Moses didn't make a sacrifice. He went up alone.

Cristina: Yes. And he just stayed there.

Jack: As did Patrick.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He went up alone and still managed to communicate.

Cristina: Then we know there's a bunch of priests up there. They're just. What are they Doing? They're fasting most of the day, right?

Jack: Yeah. Actually temples and monks and whatnot. Yeah, fasting. A lot of intentional stoic suffering.

Cristina: Yeah, I think that's connected somehow.

Jack: Interesting observation. Interesting observation. We haven't come across that theory before, and it works very well now. You make this trek over there, halfway through, people start dying. That's still not going to connect you. There's no mention of anything like that. We would have heard of stuff like that. You dying along the way. There's none of that.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Like people making the journey to Mount Meru to make the sacrifice. Like nobody is feeling the power of God on their way over there. They're just dying. And, like, whoever makes it, makes it. But when you make it now, you reach the access point and you have less life force. You hear him.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Or them or whatever. You hear the thing.

Cristina: You hear the thing.

Jack: But it's because you went to the access point.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So it's not about just being half dead, it's about being half dead up there.

Cristina: Up there. Yeah. That's the important part. Yes, I think so.

Jack: The access point matters. Now, thinking about that, biblically speaking, we do have an example to the contrary.

Cristina: What?

Jack: But we're talking Moses again. And Moses starts to free his people. And Moses parts the seas. But how the f*** did he do that? Moses doesn't have that power. Moses hasn't consumed blood. But Moses is in connection. He's in connection with this being. So these people are starving and suffering and dying on this journey. And we can make fire fall from the skies and the oceans part. Now we have an argument for this level of horror and fear and suffering bringing this destructive being. And he's like, these are the people who are going to worship me. Yes. I'll protect them. And then he destroys these places with fire and creates barriers so that they can't be chasing parts. The literal seas, so they can move through it.

Cristina: And also murdering their children.

Jack: Yeah, I guess that too. So all that kind of stuff, the ability which is. Was caused by fear. You can do it. Because fear. Yes, all these things. All of these things are examples of suffering. Yes. Allowing the being through. But we already knew things like that were the case if you got enough fear going on. So suffering might not do it. Suffering might allow you to hear them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But fear allows them to come through. That's what's actually happening in the story of Moses. He goes up, suffers, hears God, but his people don't hear God. The suffering isn't as important as the Fear they're feeling because this allows God to come through himself. A whole group of people, all horrified. You're gonna find us. You're gonna kill us.

Cristina: God himself can come through starving to death. They're also all on the verge of dying as well.

Jack: But they're not at some peak where they're hearing God. They don't hear God. They never hear God. Not one of them. And Moses on the trip doesn't hear God.

Cristina: No.

Jack: He went to the mountain, suffered there. He heard God.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But along this path, he didn't hear.

Cristina: God while he's up there. They're all fearing that he's never coming back or he's lying to them. Like there's a bunch of fear building up to the point of him returning.

Jack: Yes. And then when they're running away, which is the adrenaline. Fear.

Cristina: Yeah, the.

Jack: Oh, my God. Oh, my God fear. They're behind us. Oh, my God. Fear. And then God can manifest because you're so, so much fear. Concentrated.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Theory. The bush is then a portal of some sort, a vessel of some sort, Some item that connects to the shadow realm. Something is up with that bush. I need to investigate. So other than for God himself needing a sacrifice, there's no other example of human consumption? No nectar, no ambrosia, no ichor? They do not touch it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It does not exist in Hinduism. They're as close to the sea people as we can get.

Cristina: But are there demons and angels and stuff? Gods.

Jack: Yeah, there's definitely a bunch of different creatures.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But they themselves aren't becoming any of them, which means there are. And a lot of the times, these are things to be feared. So it's things that probably do get a hold of adrenochrome and shin.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because they look down on it. But. But what? As I'm looking through all of these things, I come across something very interesting. Didn't notice this before, and it was elsewhere, but I noticed it here. That made me. Oh, wait, I remember something like that.

Cristina: The dots.

Jack: What is this Soma? Soma is a drink derived from plant.

Cristina: Simple.

Jack: It's mentioned in the ancient Hindu text of Rigvara, specifically in the haym called the Soma Madala. Now, this drink derived from a plant, is named particularly the purifying Somalia. Okay, sure, whatever. The purifying summer. So I'm reading through it, and I see that. So it's derived from a plant called a plant named Somatala. The origin. The origin of the plant is unknown. Other than that it came from a sacred mountain.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: A plant that came from a mountain.

Cristina: Okay, okay. Of course, yeah.

Jack: Now, when I tell you what this plant does, we have come across our third or fourth thing, depending how we look at it. It grants immortality, it grants youth, it grants divine visions and the ability to transcend beyond the mortal world.

Cristina: I don't understand.

Jack: Adrenochrome, alicorn, the three fruits and soma.

Cristina: And we're thinking these are not the same things, even though they're all exactly the same.

Jack: Well, we know they're different. Adrenochrome is blood. Alicorn is the horn of a unicorn. The apples are either technology or fruit. And soma is a literal plant. Now I minus the effects it causes. A plant that gets turned into a drink. I've come across before where the Persians had something similar. One of their rituals in Zoroastrianism was a holy plant named Hoama.

Cristina: Does it do the same things? Yes, all that.

Jack: Yes. Hawama mentioned in the old Persian cuneiform. And the DN in script is said to have been brought to the attention of the Persians by the nomadic Scythians, which are Iranic nomads who traveled from the central of Asia to current day Ukraine. And they said it grew atop mountains. Mount Kaf. The Iraqis found it on Mount Kaf. They were Persians at the time. Still, this is all one. And they found a plant on top Mount Khaf. And they were like, f*** this s***, we're out.

Cristina: I don't understand how there's so many things that are the same thing, but it's not the same. Is it possible?

Jack: There are said to have healing abilities, purifying abilities, grants immortality. Physical strengthening brings enlightenment and allows the consumer to transcend to the likes of deities upon physical death. We have four identical things.

Cristina: They can't be what we think they are. There's no way. Maybe unicorn horn has been code for this plant this whole time. I don't know. This doesn't make sense.

Jack: Well, no, because people have in the 1700s said they got these things from.

Cristina: Unicorns, but there was never proof of these unicorns. They just.

Jack: People said they saw it. The people said they saw it. Yeah, people who aren't part of the religious sect said they saw it. A traveler said he saw it.

Cristina: They saw the horn.

Jack: Some saw the horn, some saw the unicorns. They all got it from the same location. The blood is factually unrelated. Factually, like what the f*** does the blood have to do with a plant?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: That opened many doors and left many questions. A plant called Soma that is identical in effect to the three plants of the garden. Will summarize and just say the garden. Alicorn, Adrenochrome, and Soma man.

Cristina: I think they are all related, though.

Jack: Blood, a plant, fruits, and an animal tusk or horn.

Cristina: If they're all from the same area, maybe these gods made these sacrifices on these mountains.

Jack: So you don't actually need a sacrifice to go through Mount Cuff. Mount Kaf is the access point. You could just go through.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That doesn't need any of it.

Cristina: But is this plant found on that mountain?

Jack: Yes. This plant somehow allows you to access it without the need for sacrifices. And the other mountain unicorns are not on the mountain? As far as we know, unicorns are on Mount Athos.

Cristina: So many different mountains, highly unrelated. Yeah.

Jack: And unicorns literally found nowhere else, just Mount Athos, which is definitely not Mount Kaf. Highly unrelated.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Adrenochrome can get you there from anywhere. Soma, if taken from the mountain and turned into this potion, can get you there from anywhere.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The fruit of cavalry can get you there from anywhere.

Cristina: Well, where are these stories about these plants?

Jack: They're part of Zoroastrianism and part of Hinduism. Okay, so India and Persia. Persia is way close to Mount Khaf. It's right around the corner from it. I mean, it's literally touching the body of water that Kafa is on top of. Four different ways to do the same thing. I think this holds way more water. When we're talking about the race to accomplish deifying, we've. We've established that perhaps what's happening is a group of gods wants their people to be the next bigger God.

Cristina: Yeah. One of their people would take their place or whatever.

Jack: Not take their place, but become the big overseer of everything. The gods of gods.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And somehow they require these things. Or it's about making perfect. Well, no, because we know it's so con. Why is Adam and Eve a thing? That's the other problem. We don't know what the sea people are doing. The sea people are the. Because we got everybody else's s*** down packed.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The sea people are so f****** mysterious.

Cristina: They have this tech that can make humans.

Jack: And as the. As they are Persian themselves, they probably have access to the plant. They know of adrenochrome, but there's no need for it because they have the unicorns and the fruits. They got three of the four things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They got three of the four things in the fourth one is just a desperate way to do it.

Cristina: That is pretty intense.

Jack: And then they also have whatever the h*** the point of Adam and Eve, this population technology is, what is the point? I don't understand. The sea people got something else going on. They got something more.

Cristina: They do. I don't know. Because they're all after it. I don't know.

Jack: Everybody else wants it. That's why the sea people went to hiding. And not just what we consider gods in the area. There's wars happening just for they used to be.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The tanker war is just for the palace of Alcaraz, where they used to be and no longer were.

Cristina: Because these gods can't really create things. Not the way that they make us believe. No.

Jack: It's technology. They're just people who evolved over time like the rest of us. Yes, those are the intelligent civilizations of the past of 2.5 million years ago.

Cristina: But creating life is important for some reason.

Jack: Not just making life. They could all make life. They've all made life. It's making whatever superior form of life happens with this technology called Adam and Eve.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: And I also don't know why it's so important to access the shadow realm and why the sea people needed to stop everybody else from getting there. But they have a bunch of ways.

Cristina: But they probably don't travel there themselves either.

Jack: You think they're protecting us from that? And these other f****** are just looking. They're so power hungry that they don't give a s***. They're like, f***, destroy this s***. We'll repopulate it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Meanwhile they're like, if they don't have this, they won't kill their people. But if they get a hold of Adam and Eve, they got no problem destroying everything and remaking it in their image.

Cristina: Yes, that could be it.

Jack: I could totally be. I don't know. This is spitballing at this point, but I can totally be it. As long as they don't get a hold of the technology known as Adam and Eve, they will not destroy everything.

Cristina: It makes sense. I don't know why, but it does. It's the closest to something we've got. Because we really can't. We can't really tell at all whatsoever. Because no one knows. Because they're secret.

Jack: Not unless we can access the texts, the data storage beneath the Sphinx and the Mayan temples, which are the records of the sea people.

Cristina: The wrecker is. You think they're there still?

Jack: Nobody has gotten those out. Why would they just gonna disappear?

Cristina: Time destroys them all.

Jack: That would defeat the point of hiding it there if it's supposed to outlast you in case you get destroyed.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You can make it some fragile s*** that time alone will get rid of it.

Cristina: But even it mentioned the sea people.

Jack: I don't mean. I guess it would because it's just right on the walls of the Egyptians in the Mayan temples.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know, there's something weird about that because like, if they're trying to keep a secret and hide and everything, why would they also be like.

Jack: I think they're hiding their location, okay, not themselves. I mean, they hid so much about themselves that hearing their name doesn't matter.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know how hard we've had to work to just piece this s*** together.

Cristina: And we don't really know what they're called. Yeah, like just refer to sea people. Makes no sense anymore because they don't.

Jack: Live in the sea, they live in the ocean. Yeah, but either way, who cares what we call them? Yeah, like their name doesn't matter. That's like watching the Walking dead and somebody scared to say their name. And it's like, dude, what could they do with your name? They don't have computers. I can search you up and find your house.

Cristina: Yeah, like it doesn't matter.

Jack: Whatever sea people, we call one of them, Bob, for all we know, it doesn't like affect anything. Yeah, it's just like. Yeah, whatever. See, people. It's as accurate as anything else we could call them. But yeah, they are referring to the same people, written the same.

Cristina: I wish we had other stories though about them.

Jack: Very little. There's very little. We gotta surmise what their plan is based on everything around them and what's.

Cristina: Jesus up to and what Jesus did.

Jack: Jesus is the closest thing we have to records of the sea people.

Cristina: But like, that doesn't mean he knows anything about them or has any plans for Adam and Eve or anything. Or do we assume he does?

Jack: We do. Everything is an assumption we gotta go based on everybody else's things. That's why we can't answer a bunch of these questions. We've gotten far as h*** for not having a bunch of information.

Cristina: Yeah. Wondering what happened with these plants. Are they just gone?

Jack: Did the sea people plants actually completely drop off mention after some time? Even in Zoroastrianism, it completely trails off. Funny enough, after the death of Jesus.

Cristina: I think he has something to do with that because he wants people to do blood sacrifices. Or not him specifically, but this thing that's probably communicating with him.

Jack: Then in the Knights, the Knights Templars version Of things would have mentioned that. So that people use that instead. Well, no, because they don't want them either. They don't want people to do this either.

Cristina: No, they don't want. Yeah.

Jack: Jesus is winning. Because the sea people have hit every other access point.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The desperate access point is adrenochrome. And because it's the only one people have access to, everybody does that one.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If they had the plant, they'd do that instead of get addicted to some s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If they had unicorns, they'd use that instead of getting addicted to some s***. If they had the fruits, they'd use that instead of getting addicted to some s***. If they had them out and they'd go through there instead of getting addicted to some s***.

Cristina: So then why.

Jack: But they don't.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Everybody ends up on the blood sacrifices of adrenochrome variants. Ambrosia, nectar and ichor. Because they don't have any of the other things.

Cristina: So I don't see people, the bad guys at the end of the day.

Jack: No, because they're still trying to stop people. The bad guys are the ones still trying to get there through these bad ways. The idea is nobody get there.

Cristina: Nobody. Nobody gets sea people.

Jack: The sea people are also not going there. They don't use adrenochrome. And as far as we know, we have no proof that they cross. Besides that they have unicorns, they also have the apples. That doesn't mean they use any of it.

Cristina: There's no proof whether they do or don't use them.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. We have no proof. We can't say anything that we cannot prove. As far as we know, there's no way to tell.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's where we are.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So Soma is our fourth. Unless we count Mount Kaf, the literal access point of which is one of many. Because the Vikings believed if you kill enough people in a surrounding area. But that's just to communicate. That's not to bridge through.

Cristina: No, that's just communicating with God.

Jack: Yeah. So the access point does exist. I guess. That's five different ways to get to the same location. Soma, Mount Kaath, Adrenochrome, the apple and Alicorn.

Cristina: Not every mountain. This specific mountain.

Jack: This specific mountain.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Although it's possible other mountains lead to other realms. Yeah, and not just mountains. But downward directions take us to certain places. River Styx is an example.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And following the roots of the tree, another weird example. You could land at a gate of some sort. The route really crossing through dimensions, through realms, I guess. Yeah. Not dimensions through realms. Anyways, that's what we got. That's what we got. That's where we are.

Cristina: That's a lot. That's a lot and so little.

Jack: Yeah, we didn't answer anything, but we got way more questions, which sucks, I guess. More places to look, I suppose. Anyways, if you guys want to contact us about these things, talk to us about it, you can contact us on all our socials. Usconville pod us, on TikTok, on Facebook, on Instagram, on X. Now that it's not Twitter, is it.

Cristina: Really being called X though?

Jack: Yeah, I mean, it's Twitter ultimately, but yeah, Twitter X. X.

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Cristina: Help us get there.

Jack: Yes, please. Anything you know is a step forward.

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July 15, 2023

Rambling 234: The Sound of Freedom

July 15, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Why is there such a strong push to suppress the documentary The Sound of Freedom? What is it that is so important to keep hidden? And how does this connect back to the ongoing narrative relative to child molestation and predatory behavior? The duo unpack the suppression effort for The Sound of Freedom and in doing so come across a single term that re-frames the entire narrative up to this point.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

The Sound of Freedom
JP Morgan Deleted Emails
Epstein’s Island
Human Trafficking
Blood Rituals and Organ Consumption
The Crucifixion
Adrenochrome
Ambrosia
Nectar
Ichor

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I. I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And today we have some horrible things to discuss because United States of America is sinking into some kind of horrific thing lately. So let's unpack these baffling, quite, quite literally, extremely baffling scenarios that we're dealing with right now and then try to find out why the f*** the case might be.

Cristina: Is it just in America or are we just talking about America?

Jack: Talking about America. I don't know necessarily. Yeah, I have no idea. Okay, well, any case, what specifically what we're talking about? Yes, this is a hundred percent Justin America. Okay, so we're gonna begin by mentioning that there's the film, the Sound of Freedom that everybody should go and f****** watch at this point. The suppression effort that's happening to not put this movie in front of the world tells me, everybody, I don't give a f*** who you are, go watch the movie. Obviously, don't take your f****** children. That's weird. That's problematic. Adults, anybody 16 or older, let's say go get informed, go watch this film. Because if elite people don't want you to see it, it's probably something you should know about.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Simple. The logic is simple. If people with the power don't want the little guy to see it, you should probably go watch it before it disappears.

Cristina: Think they could have. They could do that?

Jack: I don't know, man. They're doing everything in their power to suppress it. So we'll begin by saying people who have tried to watch this have experienced incredibly. Have experienced incredibly weird things in theaters. So they go to watch the Sound of Freedom. By the way, this is a movie produced by Mel Gibson. Famous actors, famous directors, just a whole thing. Documentary about human trafficking. Mel Gibson's name slapped all over this. Now people go to watch this in theaters and the movie, they get told, oh no, it's not working. We'll give you tickets to go watch something else. They go watch it in theaters and dac, only for that film is broken. They go watch it in theaters and the movie glitches and loops over a certain part, not continuing the film, oh no, it's broken. We can give you tickets to go watch another one. People go watch this movie in theaters, their tickets get canceled and say, oh, something messed up in the theater. We refunded you. The money, you can use the credit for something else. People go watch this movie in theater, it says it's sold out. They get inside, there's nobody but them.

Cristina: That's creepy.

Jack: All of this is weird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Very, very, very weird. Consistently. We are talking go on Instagram. You guys don't have to take my word for any of this. You guys do not have to take over for any of this. Go on Instagram, go on Facebook, go on Twitter. TikTok is preferred because that's the only thing actively not being censored. 20. Go to TikTok and just type in the Sound of Freedom and you're gonna see that there is a absurdly consistent amount, 200, 300, 400 thousands of these videos happening all the time. Why? Who the f*** knows? Somebody doesn't want you to watch this movie a lot, which means you should probably be watching this movie a lot. The fact that somebody doesn't want you to see it tells you more than you need to know. But let's veer off in a different direction for a moment. We know that recently, JP Morgan deleted 47 million emails connected to the Jeffrey Epstein case that included bank statements and visitor lists.

Cristina: Okay. We talked about this in the last.

Jack: Podcast, in a couple of podcasts recently. Yes. And just. Oopsie. Oopsie. We deleted all the information that had the names of all the people who visited that island. Oopsie. We, J.P. morgan. Oopsie. Keep in mind, the entirety didn't disappear at JP Morgan's. A s*** ton of it did. They gave in what was left. And. Oh, my God. When it's in the hands of the United States government's judicial system, the rest of it disappeared. Oh, no. What are the odds of this? It's crazy. What a crazy coincidence.

Cristina: Weird south park bank situation.

Jack: Yep. And it's gone.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: It's like, okay, now somebody claims victimhood towards a giant company for whatever reason. You, as a giant company, we're in America. You refute the living f*** out of it. These companies don't give a f*** about people. They refute the living s*** out of anything to keep their money, especially when it's $290 million. But JP Morgan was absolutely fine with a settlement for $290 million for the victims of Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah, they're gonna pay them off. They're absolutely okay with doing this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're just gonna settle and pay off all the victims because you're good people. This is why they're doing it. They're doing it because they're good. People. Oh, Jeffrey Epstein did these things? Oh, yeah, he's connected. He was banking with us. Oh. You know, we were vaguely connected without knowing. Without knowing keywords here. Yeah, sure. Look, we're gonna totally. As a good hearted company in the United States of America, like always happens with big companies like us. We're actively just gonna give you $290 million to these victims. Now we can prove big pharma has created the opioid crisis. We can connect directly to them every f****** thing that has happened. Without a doubt. We took them to court, presented them with this s***, and they still, still fought to not settle with irrefutable proof. They were still like, f*** that s***. This money is ours. They did the little sketchy s***, fired a bunch of people with bonuses intentionally so they can't take hits. They did it everything under the sun to not lose money.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But J.P. morgan, not only have they always been sketchy as f*** and have hella losses, but no, no, no. Now we're suddenly good hearted.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now we're good guys. And we're gonna give you way more money. Way more money. Take it all. We're good for it. We apologize for Epstein's involvement. We didn't know Here. A bunch of money.

Cristina: Mm. What do you think is happening?

Jack: I don't know. But this very believable so far. Totally. I believe everything I'm being told about this. The government just happened to delete the rest of it. J.P. morgan happened to the accidents and then. Glad to pay. We're glad to pay, of course. Totally. This doesn't seem absolutely. Like some sort of Twilight Zone version of reality right now. This isn't. This totally what we've seen always. This is always what happens, right? This is always what happens, right? The people own up. All these giant mega super corporations always own up. This is exactly how it always goes, right? Am I wrong? Am I always crazy here? Anyways, anyways, gladly. They go ahead and say they're gonna settle for a 290 million dollar settlement. Get the out of here. Because of the relationship that was with.

Cristina: Epstein that they didn't know about.

Jack: They didn't know about.

Cristina: They're so innocent.

Jack: Super innocent. But you know what? We. We apologize for the involvement in here. But. But the most important thing about this is that these emails contained the depth of the relationship that they had with Epstein. How he was allegedly funneling money through them with them, and the listings of the people who paid to go through the. To the island that went through J.P. morgan.

Cristina: He was.

Jack: Yeah. He needed to confirm Real payment. Trust. You're gonna drop off a briefcase of money and I'll leave here alive. Get the out of here. That money better have a paper trail.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He was smart about it.

Cristina: But the bank was like. Though.

Jack: The bank was like, no, you know what? So you know, innocents are innocent. They had no stake in this. It just so happened that these emails were. Somebody fell over and pressed a button and whoops. Exactly. The ones that needed to be seen got deleted. Whoops.

Cristina: How many of those people were involved on the island?

Jack: Huh?

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: And how many people in the government after they got whatever the f*** was left and the rest. Like, what? What? But whatever. Whatever. What we're being told is totally what happened. Jeffrey Epstein totally committed suicide in prison immediately after he got there because he felt guilty. You know? That's what happened. He felt so guilty about the situation that he thought it was necessary for him to kill himself. What I do is so horrible. Now that I'm in prison. I've seen the error of my ways. I will kill myself because I don't deserve to continue living. It's not that people are scared that I'm a dude. That they're clearly gonna ask me who was there. And I will rat people out for a plea because I'm a die in this hole. So you give me a plea deal of any kind. I'm taking whatever the f****** rat. I'm Tekashi69ing the f*** out of here. It wasn't that he would totally not do that. Epstein. Nah. He's a man of honor. He killed himself out of honor.

Cristina: That's what happened.

Jack: So far so good. Right? Okay. We're following this narrative. It's on point. Everything we've been told is absolutely true.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So sound the freedom happens. This film about human trafficking somehow minorly related. You know, Jeffrey Epstein had some human trafficking miners landing on the island that were getting shafted by rich adults. Whatever. Whatever. Nobody was connected to this man. He did it alone. And the people who showed up on his island. Ghosts. They weren't even real people. Aliens arrived and f***** kids. That's totally what happened here. Nobody was involved on that island. Anyways, this movie comes around. And let's be real. Hollywood is well known for its activism. They want to stand up for gay rights. Everybody's going to do the thing Covid happens. Everybody's going to sing a song together about climate change. We're going to support all the things and support everything that has to do with everything. Because it's about people. Hollywood is about taking Care of people. Hollywood is about Black Lives Matter. It's about inclusivity. It's about trans people.

Cristina: It's about what's popular right now. What sad thing is popular.

Jack: What sad thing is popular? It's about what issue is pressing.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I don't know why you're mocking them. It's about what issue is pressing. These are honest people, true people. Come the sound of freedom and not a f****** peep. Nope. Not one celebrity is pushing this one. I wonder why. What are the odds. I wonder what's happening that they. Oh, no, I can't. This is bad.

Cristina: Celebrities who are against trafficking minors. What are those celebrities saying?

Jack: Nothing. Because now there's a movie showing where, when and how. So even if they were against it publicly, if the camera is aiming towards somewhere you have clearly been, suddenly, oh, f***. Oh, snap. Indeed, only the celebrities that are currently at this moment, outspoken are the ones that can be trusted. Dana White publicly stated, I will give everybody in my company who wants to see this film a ticket to go see it for free. And I advise every other company to do the same thing.

Cristina: There's a burnt actor, though, that supposedly he cares about this topic. And I can't remember his name. The guy from the seven week show. Michael Kelso.

Jack: Ashton Kutcher.

Cristina: Ashton Kutcher. Did he say anything?

Jack: Have you seen him say anything?

Cristina: No, I haven't.

Jack: Then I don't know. I haven't heard him say anything either.

Cristina: Oh, no.

Jack: The fact that this not being publicized like, I'm giving you what I know.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And as of now, nobody's bringing attention to themselves about this.

Cristina: Okay, simple.

Jack: Now, how is that possible? How is it possible that Hollywood, that's so obsessed with all the current issues in the world get presented with the. This thing? And they're like, nah, we got other important things to talk about. You mean telling. You're telling me that the trafficking of children for sex is not some pressing issue. You guys are just like, nah, but okay, whatever. Totally. There's nothing wrong here. So this movie gets made and it gets, you know, Mel Gibson's trying to do his thing, push it wherever he can, but nobody's picking it up. So he takes it to the people who support all the pressing issues. He goes straight to the most publicly stated place ever, Netflix. And Netflix is like, nah, psych, bro. We do documentaries. We care about all the issues. We want to fight all the bad things. Not that one, though. All the other things. The same company that gladly put little kids, little girls half naked on their screen. Don't want a film about little kids naked getting f***** in the real world and how we can stop it. Oh, there's a pattern here. Looks like a lot of elite people aren't touching this discussion. They're staying specifically away from any relation to something that might expose something. Everybody in power.

Cristina: Everyone's a pedophile.

Jack: Well, we've established this before. Yeah, something about power equals children. Or something about children equals power. There's something going on.

Cristina: Disturbing.

Jack: Disturbing. As news media outlets are either not talking about it at all or are actively trying to slander it and toss it into a conspiracy theory realm.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, okay, you're saying that it's Q. I don't know how related relating that to it.

Jack: Well, not literally to QAnon, but saying it's a QAnon esque type of scenario.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And again, why aren't you guys, the people about doing what's right about LGBT rights and about. But no, because now we got people marching down the street saying, we're here, we're queer, we're coming for your children. And people passing laws. California. I don't know what the f*** is happening with California, but California, who's passing laws to kidnap kids from their families, put them into foster care, chop their dicks off and plant some t****** on them, put puberty blockers on everybody to keep them young. Huh?

Cristina: What is happening over there?

Jack: We know people disappear in the foster system all the time. They just vanish. So you're taking kids from their parents legally, putting them into foster care legally, and then giving them puberty blockers to keep them children legally, and then they disappear in these systems legally to where? Another island?

Cristina: You think there's another island?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: There should be a backup island, right? I don't know.

Jack: It's just where the. What's the point of all of this? And why is California the center of kid trafficking? Why are Californian politicians so excited to take children and show them penises and show them drag queens and show them vaginas and read them books about giving other people oral and a*** and don't want their parents to know? Because obviously if the parents know, parents are. Put a f****** stop to that s***. So we pass them laws so the parents can't be informed, then we're not going to get in trouble for it. And we pass some laws that we can just take the kids from the parents and put them into foster care. And we pass some laws that we can give these kids purity blockers which will keep them young and don't allow them to go through puberty. What the f***? California.

Cristina: Maybe they're in a new island. They can't actually take another island.

Jack: They're the new island. I guess. I guess the system is. I mean, we know the United States is a terrorist country, but this is a whole other f****** level.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Like we're you. We're not even terrorists. We're just human traffic country. That's where we're f****** headed with this s***. We couldn't just be cowboys. We got a f****** rape.

Cristina: All the kids probably doing that.

Jack: We were, but illegally. Now we just pass. We're legislating to make it so we can just do it in front of people.

Cristina: For showing the truth. With the kids in the cages. He let us know that that's what we're about. And now they're like, you guys know already. So let's be public about it.

Jack: Yeah, we're going to be public about it. You guys can't do anything about it. We run the system.

Cristina: It's horrible.

Jack: Yeah, it's pretty up. What's going on. Now, recently, which we also talked about, this politician is at a meeting at a political hearing and he is talking about human trafficking of children for organ. For organ sales. For sex trafficking.

Cristina: Adrenochrome.

Jack: No, for satanic rituals and for things like. Adrenochrome. Yeah, for things of that nature. Our organ harvesting. And like this man says this out loud, publicly, live, so it couldn't be edited. It probably got edited afterwards. And lies spread like wildfire. But the live full, uncut version could still be found. And this man falls out of his 15th story window that he has lived out for 10 years. Falls out of the story, two days later, dies at the bottom while smoking. He goes smoke every f****** day. Somehow, two days later, it's just. That's. That's the one time he slipped or something. Sorry. Whoops. Huh?

Cristina: It was a heart attack or something.

Jack: I mean, I guess he. Yeah, he probably had a. That's what they said, he had a heart attack.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But he was smoking out the window and you fell to his death is the point. And what a coincidence. You know, just get. Just by chance. Just by chance, you know, it was just smoking. It was. He does it every day. It was gonna happen eventually. Of course it's gonna happen eventually. So you follow this logic and you dig a little while investigating, you type in some keywords here and there and you come across Mel Gibson again. You come across Mel Gibson in the past. Mel Gibson talking about a recent Interaction he had at a celebrity gathering in a remote location. They were recording. This was the after party. There's a hanging out and things got a little strange. Vibe Wise knew something was up. He knew something was up. And he was offered some things that were odd. He was offered, you know, he didn't say children. He had no moments like kids. But there were some young girls. Could have been 18. He doesn't know.

Cristina: He doesn't know.

Jack: I'm not into that. They're absolutely too young for me. I'm not into that. Man of God, Christian guys. Like, I'm not into. I'm not doing that.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Could have been 18 for all he knows. He said they look exceptionally young, but, you know, there's a bunch of exceptionally young 18 year olds. That's a whole market in the p*** industry. So whatever. I'm not into that. You guys do what you gotta do. But the vibe was off and he was a little concerned. But also they were offering the VIP drink. The VIP drink. It was like, I don't like anything I am hearing right now. And I absolutely. You offered me this after I said no to that? This does not sound right. I don't know what's in that, but I'm not taking that because I said no to this and that made you offer me that. I don't care how VIP that is.

Cristina: What do you think is the VIP drink?

Jack: I don't know. What do you think the VIP drink is?

Cristina: Adrenochrome.

Jack: Adrenochrome. But yeah. So this is the situation. He gets offered that thing, and in the same kind of interview discussion he's having, he states that this is so f****** weird and so strange that he's gonna go out of his way to investigate this. But he knows that even so much as beginning this path, they will go out of his way to destroy his life.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Couple of years later, Mel Gibson's life starts to fall apart. They're calling him crazy. The media goes out of its way to only show, like they did the Trump videos, only of him intentionally edited, so he looks like he's going crazy at random moments, having random outbursts at random moments. They went out of their way to destroy his reputation. So he is not a credible person. But we know that the media did that with Trump, because now the full length version of all these videos are showing up. And it turns out nothing that the media said about Trump was correct. All of it was always fabricated. Which, by the way, to the left are, what are you guys gonna do now that you can See the lie?

Cristina: Well, they succeeded when they needed to.

Jack: Yeah. Now you can't do s*** about it. Now, as you guys see the line, we're like, wow, we should have voted. You should have thought harder, too. But whatever you ate, whatever they fed you, it's the same as a headline. They headlined you with video.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They just showed you the headline of the video. That's it. Only caught these people in mass. Important detail with the Mel Gibson thing. The thing he set out to make seems to be the Sound of Freedom.

Cristina: Okay, right.

Jack: Sound of Freedom. One of the creators mentioned something very, very, very specific. He said what the politician said, these kids aren't just being taken for sex and organ harvesting. These kids are being taken for weird, satanic, diabolical rituals. And he specifically said what the politician said for adrenochrome. But when the reporter asks, adrenochrome, isn't that just some conspiracy? He responds, no. And it even has a street name so that it could bypass people like you who fall for that ambrosia.

Cristina: He just shares like that.

Jack: Shares ambrosia. I've heard this before.

Cristina: How?

Jack: But I did not. I don't know.

Cristina: That's so weird.

Jack: I've heard the word before. I don't know what the f*** it was, but I've heard the word before. I know what the word was. The word isn't necessarily related to adrenochrome. Again, it's a slang for this thing. But there is. Ambrosia just means food.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: But that's how you heard it then.

Jack: Yeah, obviously. Okay, so I've heard the word before. It's been used. And I. I've heard the word before, but I've never heard it expressed as one, who the f*** says ambrosia instead of just food? And two, why would anybody conclude adrenochrome when you hear the word ambrosia? So in either case, it's just like. Okay. Just some weird word that means nothing.

Cristina: I'm glad you didn't say pizza.

Jack: Weird. Right. But I think that's referring to the rituals or the organ harvesting. One or the other.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think these are code words for real things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But ambrosia, I go ahead and I. You know, Freemason's library type of s***. We dig deep, deep. We got all the things. We just need the beginning. All the information that has ever existed is there because they got it probably from Atlanteans or some s***. I don't know. It's there, all of it. So we go ahead and we start looking and ambrosia. Let's unpack first. Again, street name for adrenochrome. That is actually confirmable. But there are a couple of versions of this all called ambrosia that are all more or less the same thing. There are different versions of adrenochrome.

Cristina: I don't understand what you mean exactly. What are you talking about?

Jack: Adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yeah, but, like, what do you mean by that?

Jack: That there's different versions of it?

Cristina: What does that mean? What does different versions of adrenochrome mean?

Jack: Oh, obviously I'm gonna explain that. I will get there when time is necessary. But let's follow the origin, which is gonna answer a surprising amount of questions we did not know we should have been asking. Okay, so the first appearance of the word ambrosia goes way back. We're talking before Jesus.

Cristina: Okay, I thought you go straight to the Bible.

Jack: No, this predates the Bible by quite a bit.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Ambrosia is quite specifically the food that the Greek gods used to eat. They used to have ambrosia with nectar. Nectar being the liquid, ambrosia being the food.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now let us establish that children are taken for organ harvesting and blood rituals. The ambrosia and the nectar.

Cristina: So it's not just about adrenochrome.

Jack: It is. Both of those things fall under adrenochrome. Okay, but that's not even where it gets spicy.

Cristina: Okay, so that sounds pretty spicy, but.

Jack: Okay, let's find out what ambrosia does. If a mortal were to consume ambrosia, a mortal would then be granted youth immortality and, wait for it, special abilities that. Equal to a demigod. Ah, so familiar. Interesting enough. The same thing would occur if you had the nectar of the gods.

Cristina: The same exact thing.

Jack: The same exact thing oftentimes referred to as the elixir of life, which we've all heard in many iterations. Yeah, all kinds of.

Cristina: But who knew?

Jack: It just meant detector and adreno and the ambrosia, which are just two different versions of adrenochrome.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The plot thickens. But let's talk about the nectar. Simple. Just for information sake. It's always closely related to ambrosia, always alongside of it. Because it is the drink. Keep in mind the implications here suggest that human sacrifices must be made in order for the Greek gods to have eaten at all. Just. Okay, that is the obvious conclusion to make here.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now, this food was forbidden for mortals because you're not allowed to become a God. You'd be punished.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If you consumed children, the gods Would kill you for trying to be one of them.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah, that makes sense.

Jack: It makes sense. It's a sin, essentially.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: For mortals to do this, but it's.

Cristina: Absolutely fine for the gods.

Jack: For the gods. Now let us move back about. Not back. Let us move forward about 3,000 years and this time go straight to the Bible.

Cristina: Already thinking about it.

Jack: Jehovah was totally down with telling a dude to do what to his son. Right When a bunch of people weren't obeying God. God was absolutely fine with telling the angel of death to go fetch who.

Cristina: The babies babies were for him.

Jack: It's like, I'll eat your kids. Whatever, dude.

Cristina: Yeah, that's what I thought straight up. Like, that was the first thought. I wasn't even thinking about that guy and his child. I was like, these babies?

Jack: Nah. I thought, it's all just lines up real quick.

Cristina: What kind of person or God, I guess. Let's get the babies.

Jack: Yeah. Interesting enough.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: This lines up so perfectly with the eye. And I don't know how the. We didn't connect those dots before. Like, obviously. Obviously. I don't know why we needed this piece to connect that. And then suddenly like, oh, no, duh, duh.

Cristina: They all sound the same.

Jack: All these gods all the same s***. But what do we know about adrenochrome? And what do we know about the gods? They can either use. We didn't even know they can use the adrenochrome. We only knew they could use the fear. Yeah, but it wasn't even the actual way we thought about it because a lot of the time that's for the people from the shadow realm. The ones from this side need the adrenochrome. Of course the ones from the other side use a fear. We were f***** up in how we were thinking about the gods. The gods don't need the fear. That doesn't make any f****** sense. You need the fear if you're coming from the shadow realm. Only the ones from the shadow realm need the fear. We were wrong. Wrong, huh? A hundred percent of the time. In order to sustain their power. On this end, it was not fear.

Cristina: It's adrenochrome.

Jack: It was adrenochrome the whole f****** time. It's been in the Bible. It's been in f****** ancient Greek texts. It's in the f****** Torah. It's every. It's in all of it. It's in all of it. It's mentioned so f****** often. It's everywhere. The kids must die in order for the power to exist.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Something about purity. The purity of it. Something. Some f****** thing. It's always been the case.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now let us dive a little deeper. Those who consume ambrosia have a liquid in their body that runs through their veins that is not blood anymore. It's called ichor. That's what courses through their veins. Additionally, ichor is the natural blood of the gods.

Cristina: That's from the same stories.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Gods. Greek gods have ichor in their body. And people who consume adrenochrome also no longer have blood and then have ichor in their bodies. Now, interesting details about this ichor. From gods, I guess. From mortals who've taken it as well. Because now they're demigods. They. It's. It's toxic and absolutely deadly to mortals. It will. One shot a mortal. Okay, not the important detail. If you give ichor to a mortal that has already died, you can bring them back to life. That sounds very familiar.

Cristina: Jesus.

Jack: Not just Jesus. Say the word. Say the word.

Cristina: You gotta give me a head.

Jack: There's one creature that you need to drink their blood, and then you come back.

Cristina: Uniforms.

Jack: No.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Vampires.

Cristina: Vampires. Duh.

Jack: Duh.

Cristina: Duh.

Jack: Vampires.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. Thinking of Jesus as a vampire because.

Jack: He'S the first vampire.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because of adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes. Vampires. Duh. Okay.

Jack: Jesus is dead. They don't give Jesus adrenochrome. He was still a dude. He could die.

Cristina: It gave them his blood.

Jack: Ichor. And he came back to life.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And now he seeks adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To sustain the state. That is no different than had he just had a dream of drone.

Cristina: Because he can live forever, but now.

Jack: He can live forever. Yes.

Cristina: Yes. The problem is still. Of losing your mind.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: About it.

Jack: Yes. Yes.

Cristina: That could be a reason why they needed to kill Epstein. Also, besides the many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many reasons to do it. Like, without any supply, he would eventually.

Jack: Epstein's not dead.

Cristina: Oh, you think? Wait. No.

Jack: If Epstein dies in the prison, then we got proof he's dead. We can take him now, guys. But he's already been dealing with the children. It's either only a matter of time before he comes back, or you just take him somewhere to give him the other thing. We didn't know there was something you can give people to bring them back from the f****** dead. We just knew that if you had adrenochrome, you don't really die. You morph and then just come back up. But if you're actually f****** dead, we have the f****** way to bring you back. You don't need adrenochrome. There is a different version of adrenochrome. Ichor. If you're dead, we can give that to you. It does everything adrenochrome does, and it'll bring you back from the dead.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: Epstein didn't need to kill himself. He probably did. Epstein probably killed himself? Let's be real. Epstein probably killed himself anew. If I land in f****** prison, I'm just gonna off myself. You guys publicize the s*** out of that. Make me disappear, and then f****** give me this s***. And we're good.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: He sold adrenochrome. At no moment are we to believe he necessarily took adrenochrome. There's nothing to tell us he did. He was the merchant. You don't consume your own supply. Oh, street rules. We could prove he was dead. There was a lot of proof he was dead. That was an important detail. That was necessary detail.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then we just dispose of him. Of course. Questions we didn't even f****** consider.

Cristina: What? Oh, my gosh. Wow. I didn't know this was even more complicated. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: It just gets so deep now. Fascinating bits of detail. If Jesus is our first actual case that isn't a God because gods went out of their way, but it was known about. Enough to have written in that mortals can be brought back by would mean that although we have no examples of it written down and no lore about it, Jesus must not have been the first. Okay, he's just the first one on record. And also what makes him important is he's the first Atlantean, the first Persian Gulf oasis civilian, the first sea person to have, at least on record, taken a version of the now blanket term adrenochrome, which can either be the nectar, ambrosia, or ichor. And knowing that ambrosia and nectar aren't gonna do s*** to somebody dead by process of elimination, we can actually have him die on the f****** cross and still have him come back later. Both statements be true because of ichor. See, everything in the Bible could be true because of ichor. He did get crucified. He did f****** die. But he also got betrayed by his own people because there was something off about this kid that was alluring people towards this place that we need to f****** hide. So send the kid out. He's not born yet. He's gonna be born somewhere, and he's never gonna see our new home. Nobody can have visions of him in our new home. After he's born. Bring the moment. Kid lives a life confused about who he is. Kind of gets an idea, associates himself with the wrong person. He thinks I'm the son of this guy because I'm overpowered and so is he. And whatever the case might be. Yes, starts preaching that word. Maybe he's been manipulated by Jehovah of Dark the whole time.

Cristina: Mm, probably.

Jack: Probably. And he gets his mind warped. And like, your people don't love you. They've rejected you. Think about it. I'm your father. I'm who's been watching over you this whole time. I'm who's been taking care of you. I guided you. I give you abilities. I show you how to do your thing.

Cristina: And then what? And he betrays them?

Jack: Well, they go out of their way. As he starts to dig deeper and find things that could potentially give him the abilities required, he, perhaps because there's already text about it, finds out about ambrosia, finds out about nectar, and goes out of his way to find it. Enter the Knights Templar. Enter the maji. Enter the sea, people. We have to sadly deal with this kid. Turn all these. You guys do what you do and turn all these people against them. He needs to stop, because then he's gonna direct people right to our door. Yeah, he gets crew. They turn everybody against him. He gets crucified and dies.

Cristina: But he doesn't.

Jack: No, he does.

Cristina: I mean, yes, he does. But then they give him that stuff.

Jack: Give him ichor. They take his dead corpse out of the f****** hole they threw it in, they give it ichor, and it comes back to life with the abilities that ichor would give you, which are the same that you would get from ambrosia and are the same you would get from nectar, which are all. All three. Just a different version of adrenochrome.

Cristina: Now he needs it forever.

Jack: Now he needs it. Now he needs it. But not only that, his homies are gonna get it too. You guys were loyal to me straight through. And it doesn't matter what the f*** these other people told you. You guys were always loyal to me.

Cristina: So you think he gave it to them all?

Jack: His homies got it. As many as he could get it to, his homies got it. And look, as soon as it's your time, we're gonna do the thing. We're gonna f****** die. We're gonna make sure you end up on the other side.

Cristina: Well, I think they got it so.

Jack: That they could go to the Shadow Realm. Why do you think he's building so many gates? Everybody. He's building an army of some sort.

Cristina: I thought he was trying to get things over there. Over here?

Jack: Yes. And if you take adrenochrome and you die on this end, you end up in the Shadow Realm anyways. But now there's a gate that allows from over there into this side.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Simple. My friends never have to die. He has the Dragon Balls.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: He broke the f****** system. And probably with the help of Jehovah of Dark.

Cristina: Yes, okay. But for what?

Jack: Oh, no. There has always been three versions of Atrinochrome.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And they were essentially background noise.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: We didn't know. We didn't know they were there.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: They were invisible to us because we.

Cristina: Thought they were all one thing.

Jack: We thought they were all one thing. We're treating them all as one thing. They're just blood. Just child's blood. Specifically adrenalized child's blood. But it doesn't even seem like the adrenaline matters. It seems like that's just a way to make it more potent. Maybe. Maybe make it stronger. Discovered later.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or something. On the flip side, some gods must have known, because if you think about the rituals of bringing the virgin up to the pit, where everybody is watching and cheering on before you push them in, there is a ritual of building fear in the individual before you sacrifice them to the God.

Cristina: These versions were probably very young.

Jack: Yes. Well, virgin is what's telling us are young.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Specifically because girls in the past would get married at 9, 10, or 11.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which means if you're virgin.

Cristina: Because, like, they didn't have a word for children. So it's virgins. That's the word.

Jack: Exactly. A virgin was extra. Extra. Extra.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Five, six, seven.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Horrified. Everybody's cheering on the death of this young one. And they got some vague, loose concept. They're horrified anyways. Even if they don't.

Cristina: If they know they're gonna die.

Jack: Maybe they don't. They're young. Young. I don't know if they know, but they're horrified as the circumstance. Regardless.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's a crazy moment. People cheering and they're the focus of attention, which horrifies a child. And you can throw them into either fire pit or just a hole or something in honor of your God. You're building the fear. There's a whole ceremony about scaring the individual first, then killing them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And in this moment, two of the three things are provided. You throw the whole being in there. The blood is there, which is the nectar, and the organs are there, which is the ambrosia.

Cristina: Yes, perfect, Perfect.

Jack: The only way to get the ichor is from a God. Think about that real quick. The only way to get the ichor is from a God. But Jesus Christ was given ichor. And we know, we know because we've established this before with regional differences. Before they were people, there was some sort of f****** war between the gods. Zeus stood to his side, Jehovah of Dark stood to his side, or of light, whatever the case, whoever the was running the Israel side of things, because that's still sort of unclear, stood to his side. Division of gods happened after there was who knows how long of unity of gods. Now there is a God that the sea people avoid, and we're assuming that is Jehovah of Dark. Yes, Jehovah Dark is a sketchy individual and a crafty one, it seems. Maybe he's been around for longer than the sea people because again, there's a f****** mountain that allowed him access in and out. Mount Kopf was there. Mount Kaf just so happens to be very, very, very close to Greece. Not like Israel. That's down, down, down. No, we're up here. Closer. Much closer. So Jehovah of Dark has access to the Greek gods, and somehow Jesus gets a hold of ichor that brings him back to life. And we don't hear of the Greek gods for as long as we do hear about Jesus. Paint me that picture real quick. We stop hearing about the Greek gods when we start hearing about Jesus. Jesus, that's too close in proximity. Do you see what's happening?

Cristina: No.

Jack: How do you not see what's happening? You can only get ichor from gods. We stop hearing about the Greek gods when we do start hearing about Jesus. What happened? That is an obvious painting there saying he killed them. Yes. Something happened to the Greek gods that allowed Jesus to get a hold of the ichor that they specifically refer to the Greek God. Specifically refer to. Jesus found out about that from some Greek texts, or whoever brought him back found out about it from the Greek texts. The mountain, Mount Ka, that causes this fear, this problem falls in line with the fact that the Greek also had a problem with the sea people. The sea people who had an issue with the thing on Mount Kaf. The only thing that brought these people together was whatever this mutual force was. We never understood what force, why it is that you guys would call them problematic, but you guys would just kind of change, chill in the same region for whatever reason. It's a mutual enemy. That's why all the overpowered beings that existed around the same time, although they did not like each other, had one mutual enemy. And that kept them all like, we'll have war with each other, but we're not gonna get rid of each other.

Cristina: And the enemy is the shadow realm. The shadow realm, okay.

Jack: The things that are not from this Earth. Okay, but they're from the other side. That's the issue. That's the same reason that Christianity went out of its way. To do what to all the creatures that had come from the other side when they went to Ireland? Send them all back. There was a bunch of effort done by all the different groups from all the different religions and all of the gods of this side of Earth to together, to collectively, even if we don't agree, even if we as gods had a war and we divided sections of the world, and you see over there, and I see over here, we got one mutual goal, and it's we're gonna send whoever the f*** our descendants are to get rid of the creatures from the f****** shadow realm. Everybody has the same f****** story, but.

Cristina: They lost this war around Jesus time. Yeah.

Jack: They didn't lose the war and lose the war. The Greeks are still there. We've heard of other gods. There's just a very specific Olympian God thing that just ended around the time that we got Jesus. Somebody had to be sacrificed for him.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And don't know how it was done. No, we're talking about some overpowered beings who had it figured out for a while.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like they got to stalemate with Jehovah. That's some pretty op s***.

Cristina: We have no idea what happened.

Jack: We have no idea what happened. We have no idea what happened.

Jack: We just know. Oh, Greek gods just vanished no more. And, oh, yeah, we're now gonna focus on the story of this guy who just came back to life this. Unrelated. Unrelated. Yeah. So for the millionth time, for the millionth f****** time, another piece falls into this giant picture that seems to cover all of Earth and seems to involve every religion and seems to involve every government and seems to always involve the shadow realm, the sea people. The sea people, and Adrenochrome.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Always. Always, always, always, always, always, always comes.

Cristina: Back to one of those three.

Jack: The shadow realm, Adrenochrome, and the sea people. Always, without f****** exception. Everything. At this point, I believe we can choose random f****** topics, follow them back. We know. We know that when we're talking about, and we've established this a long time ago, that when we're talking about the Chupacabra, we have to make two different scenarios for this. Because there's some biological horror that got out that survives kind of off of blood, which means they were experimenting with either improving adrenochrome or some s***. And this thing, this creature, one of the many creatures that has been exposed to it. And there's some kind of freak of nature dependent on it, feral and out there attacking random s*** just to get more is absolutely different then whatever extraterrestrial kind of being, godlike, overpowered thing came from space looking for exactly the same f****** s*** that you can only get from mortal creatures on this planet. It only exists in biology with blood. This thing that creates abilities that gives immortality. Those are just absolutely two random scenarios that we can just directly connect back. We've talked about it before. They just connect back at random.

Cristina: A lot of our topics.

Jack: A lot of our topics always connect back at random. Just if you dig deep enough to anything, it ends up at the sea people, Adrenochrome or the shadow realm, oftentimes two or more.

Cristina: That's so that's. That's really interesting. I wonder if the sea people are connected to more things though.

Jack: Well, they're definitely connected, bare minimum to the shadow realm. Now that we know that Mount Kafka is probably directly what they were avoiding. That's a direct connection of an interaction that or a behavior that has a one to one. This is here. So we must leave there. So we know they're related factually to the shadow realm. And we know that.

Cristina: Probably fear that.

Jack: Yes. And we know that the shadow realm requires one of these versions or all three of these versions of a trinochrome. Now how do we connect adrenochrome back to the sea people? I don't know. Other than Jesus Christ being a sea person.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But that is a full circle. That is a C person who has gotten a hold of. Now we have an actual name, Ichor. That is a C person who took Edgar. That's one of the three adrenochromes which.

Cristina: Is super overpowered now.

Jack: It's super overpowered now because he.

Cristina: If he did give it to his friends, those friends are still human. So they're probably nothing because he didn't.

Jack: Give them his literal blood unless he killed them all willingly. Like he got them all to agree to death. Do your thing. Eventually you're gonna die. When you die, I will show up and I will give you my blood. You will come back to life and you will join me. Jesus does say one thing consistently. Follow me and you will have immortality. But we know all these People die eventually.

Cristina: Yeah. And he really was a fan of sharing his blood, and he really was a fan of sharing his blood body or whatever.

Jack: So chances are he literally gave them ichor. They managed to remain themselves because it's not nectar and it's not ambrosia. It's ichor. You take it, you're not hooked, you're free, you're fine. So you have it, you're good. His homies die. For whatever reason he gives them the thing, they come back to life. Everything is good and dandy, and you guys have the immortality that I promised you. You did the tasks, you got killed for, you died of old age, whatever the case might be. I give you the thing now. You're young again and you're immortal. Easy, simple, basic. Enjoy your humanity. Eventually, you will be like me. And this fits the fact that when you look into the Bible, it seems like he's making vampires. This sounds very vampiric, especially now that you must give them the blood after they have. Yeah, that's as vampiric as it gets.

Cristina: Epstein is one of his.

Jack: I don't think Epstein is one of them. I think he's the merchant. I really believe he was not giving anything out. Oh, you mean like now, after he went to prison? Yeah. Yeah. Because I don't believe he was consuming the other versions of it.

Cristina: No.

Jack: I think he made sure to stay alive as a normal mortal, to have a way out if necessary. Which brings up another question. Is that what happened to Hitler?

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Like, I mean, Hitler dies in this place, and then Hitler goes missing at the same time. Interesting.

Cristina: I think he's.

Jack: People have seen Hitler a lot after he died.

Cristina: Okay. Yes. They have the same stories about him. They have same stories about a lot of people.

Jack: Yes. Always elites.

Cristina: Yes. So it makes sense.

Jack: It makes sense.

Cristina: Huh? Huh?

Jack: The plot thickens. It checks out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Maybe there is a place where these people do gather, and sometimes they don't have the other two. Maybe they don't take ambrosia. Maybe they don't take nectar. They're cool with it. Look, I want to enjoy my humanity. Eventually, I'm gonna die. Give me the ichor. I will be young again, and I'll be alive again. It's cool, bro.

Cristina: Yeah. How tempting are the other two things, though? That most of them won't choose that. Because the other ones are giving you things right away, though.

Jack: Yes, but also, the stakes are pretty high on those.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It seems like if you don't die first and take ichor, you must continue to Take it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It is instant gratification, but you're doing it forever.

Cristina: Yes. Which most people. That's what they want.

Jack: That's what they want. They want the instant gratification.

Cristina: Yes. So that makes sense that most people would just take that.

Jack: It makes sense that most people would enter a feral state where desperation takes over. Because I can't lose this. I have to keep taking it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: While some people are clever, I'll f****** wait until I die.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then I don't require it beyond having taken it. Yeah, you guys wanted it. Now I'll wait.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I'll pay the merchant who's going to find me when I die and give it to me. I'm cool with just being a person right now, but you guys can be hooked. You guys are going to need it.

Cristina: Yes, but they need it because they also need that power that comes with it. They probably need the extra help, not.

Jack: Just the power that comes with it. They don't want to go feral.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Most importantly, they don't want to go feral. That's key. What does it matter to have the power if you lost your mind?

Cristina: Yeah, but the only way they got the power in the first place was through that.

Jack: Yes. So it's. They're hooked.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's a huge issue. The people who wanted the instant gratification are probably the same people right now, desperately trying to get hold of a bunch of children by legislating a bunch of s***, making it legal, and having a funnel of children go to them.

Cristina: Yes. Now that their island disappeared, they're just. It's here now.

Jack: Desperation. Yes. The island is gone. There's no longer a cultivation of the umbrella. Adrenochrome now. Well, you guys f***** it. The island, at least. We were doing it in secrecy. Now you guys know we'll f*** all of you. We need it. And we don't give a f*** what you try to stop us. We're stronger, we're faster, we're smarter. You're gonna lose at every turn.

Cristina: Yeah, but we can't do anything about it.

Jack: Can't do anything about it. They're f****** doing it through legislation. They're tricking the dumb masses into f****** supporting it. It's a losing war. It's happening so easily.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In front of everybody's face. They don't give a dude. They're actively. Just in front of everybody. Suppression, freedom of speech. They're actively passing bills that will outlaw traffic. And they're like, no, no outlaw s***. F*** that.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: Don't make it a Federal crime. We want those kids.

Cristina: Everything.

Jack: Anyways. Anyways, that's where we're at right now.

Cristina: Madness.

Jack: A lot of madness. A lot of weird connecting bots. You guys can. Basically, this podcast has devolved into some f****** expedition into the madness of society and how everything comes back to see people. Adrenochrome in the shadow realm. So kind of any episode that's either recent or a bunch of scattered episodes in which all of these things are discussed at different times, you guys can.

Cristina: Find all that and the sad fact that everyone's a pedo and everybody's a.

Jack: Pedo for the adrenochrome.

Cristina: Probably, Probably.

Jack: But you guys can find all those episodes and look through them. Tell us, please, please, if you know something we don't anymore.

Cristina: Code words.

Jack: Yeah. Any more code words that we can look into or whatever. And yeah, send us that information. Message us. Tell us at all of our socials. TikTok, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook. That's usconvopod.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

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Cristina: This has been the rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Listening.

Jack: Bye. Foreign.

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July 08, 2023

Rambling 233: The Tanker War

July 08, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Why did The United States support Iraq during the Iraq-Iran War? Why’d the Tanker War happen as a result? What were either of these conflicts really about? The duo deep dive into the war of the 80s curious to discover where the clues lead.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

New Islam Ideology
Inconsistent Religious Text
The Sacred Lions
Mount Qaf
The Gateway
Alcaraz Palace
The Persian Gulf Conflict

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And so there was a particularly absurd and baffling idea that I wanted to ground for humanity.

Cristina: What's that?

Jack: I wanted to know what the h*** was the point of the United States being involved in the Iraq Iran war and what the point of the Iraq Iran war was.

Cristina: What got you thinking about that, though?

Jack: The fact that we hate both of those countries as a government, like our government hates both of those countries. What was the end like? Publicly, one of our politicians goes as far as to say that they wish they could both lose, but that's impossible.

Cristina: Okay, is this war still happening? What's happening?

Jack: No, this. This is old.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: This began in 1980 and ended in 1988. Okay, so a very, very, very long.

Cristina: Time ago, but currently people still hate.

Jack: The United States does. The United States is a racist piece of s*** that definitely does not like the Middle east and believes in bombing the crap out of them. Any ch. Obama made sure of that by removing a bunch of soldiers from over there and sending all the drones to continue raining a robotic h*** down on them. That's just what America does. Marka bombs the Middle east always.

Cristina: And then Biden took out the troops and left all the guns so that they could continue killing each other.

Jack: Yes, they can continue killing each other, and the drones can continue killing them as well. And our soldiers are nice and safe. Marca. Okay, funny, funny. Unrelated to this joke I was seeing, it was an interview, and it was Putin and some other guy having a conversation, and they were like, americans. If you're struggling with understanding what's happening with the United States and Ukraine, just imagine that. That Russia is the United States and that the Ukraine is like Africa or some Middle Eastern country. And I was like, oh, man. Oh, man. That's an easy way for Americans to get it.

Cristina: What?

Jack: They were like this. And then Putin just couldn't. He tried to keep a serious face and just, like, cracked up. He's like, that was too much, bro. Just imagine that Russia is America and that Ukraine is some Middle Eastern country. And I just. That was just too good.

Cristina: And what is our hate with the Middle East?

Jack: I have no idea. I have no clue. I have no clue what the h*** the Americans hate. I mean, before we even jump into what I'm Going to talk about.

Cristina: We're gonna go back.

Jack: We be. No, we just began with we hope. We wish they could both lose. I don't know what the beef is. Like, I.

Cristina: Was that said back then or was that said recently?

Jack: No, that was said during. Before we got into it.

Cristina: Oh, oh.

Jack: Before we got into it, it was like, I wish they could both lose, but. Oh, but that's impossible.

Cristina: Oh. Oh, that's.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So. So my curiosity was primarily with. Why the h*** did the United States get involved? Now, obviously, there's always the official reasons, but I don't believe any government about anything they say ever, because it's all.

Cristina: Like, for peacekeeping reason, some crap like that.

Jack: The United States always has their. Their reasoning, which is always noble and whatever. And so they're like, you know, the officially stated reason is so that Iran wouldn't win because Iran has an. You know, they're the bad guys for whatever reason. We gotta pick a side.

Cristina: We have to pick a side. So whoever sides we're not on is a bad guy.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Always for whatever reason. So I'm gonna. It's gonna be very apparent as I go through this what the truth of the matter is. I don't believe anything I'm ever told by a government. And as we peel layers back, we're gonna go through phases, and these phases are gonna reveal a lot of information. And we're gonna be like, oh, all.

Cristina: Right, so we're peeling an onion.

Jack: We're peeling an onion.

Cristina: All right, so first, let's try to.

Jack: Comprehend what the Iraq Iran war was.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Okay. So 1980 to 1988. This is the timeline we're looking at when we're talking about this war. Officially, this is what the case is. The war began because Iraq feared a new ideology which was spreading along Iran would spread to them.

Cristina: Is it a religion?

Jack: Yeah, it's. Well, it's the same religion they already follow. It's a different variant of it. It's like if the Pentecostals were like, we don't want Jehovah's Witnesses to force us.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like, you're ultimately all Christian.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But this version of Christianity versus that version of Christianity, even if ultimately it's the same idea, they're like, no. They were like, no. And the United States was like, we side with Iraq. I don't. We don't even like Islam. We just. We're. We're ab.

Cristina: Wait, who was who again? Who wants to stop the other person from spreading?

Jack: Iraq doesn't want the new Iranian version of Islam to leak into their Iraq.

Cristina: And America was like, Iraq is right.

Jack: Iraq is right. Iraq is totally right. Yes.

Cristina: Don't spread your religious.

Jack: Don't let the Islam of Iran overtake the Islam of Iraq. Because we care so much about Islam that we were like, oh no, this version is the right version of Islam.

Cristina: This is insane already.

Jack: It's absolutely crazy. This makes no sense. Based on what? Like, this is exactly why I asked the question, right? Like, come on, bro, you're not going to tell me this, this reason you gave us made sense?

Cristina: Is this one somehow closer to Christianity or something? Like what is like, I don't understand. We're the freedom of religious country to.

Jack: Like, like, yeah, whatever happens, happens. Let whoever wants to spread whatever happened. It's not our business, but we got involved nevertheless.

Cristina: But that's a weird side to be on when we're the ones that ran away from somewhere else because of religion and want to believe whatever we want to believe. And now we're like, no, you can't spread that. Like, I don't understand.

Jack: Well, it would be spreading it onto an already existing, like, based on our rules. It's like, well, Iraq should be able to believe whatever they want.

Cristina: Okay, but the force and Iran would.

Jack: Be forcing it on Iraq, their new belief.

Cristina: How. How are they doing that then?

Jack: Well, I'll continue. There's a leader of the new Islamic ideology. His name was. I'm a destroy this name Ruhalla Romani. So hopefully I didn't f*** that up, but who cares? This guy was a horrible person. So I don't know. Based on the, like, the United States isn't going to complain about it.

Cristina: This is a government guy or religious guy?

Jack: Both problems already, okay? Both. Because it wasn't just religion. He was a politician and he wanted a version of political religion. Now we're starting to get a better picture, right? It was political religion that he was pushing. So the. But it's crazy because that already is what's happening in Iraq. It's political religion.

Cristina: He's trying to push it onto the other country or he's just Iraq. Yes.

Jack: So the idea, his ultimate idea is that he wants to unite both versions of Islam, the Iranian version and the Iraq version of Islam into one cohesive version under a main umbrella. And it's his version of Islam or not his version, but the version that him and his followers are essentially on.

Cristina: And we're like, we don't want peace.

Jack: We don't want peace and unity. We need you guys to continue killing each other at every possible Turn and we're gonna help you. Kill some of you, so that you guys continue killing some of you. Interesting, because we could have just helped the guy who's spreading it and be like, yeah, unity sounds pretty sweet, but no, let's continue. Instability, that's very, very important to us.

Cristina: Yes, we love it.

Jack: Yeah. We can't have the Middle east uniting. Then they become a giant country our size with equal intelligence and power. And then what? Then. Then it's. They're not a third world. We can't keep them in the Third world. They become the First World. And, like, we don't like that. We're like, state third world. So we can talk about.

Cristina: Where's the Second World?

Jack: I don't know. Australia. Like, it's savage and civilized simultaneously. I guess. South Africa.

Cristina: South Africa.

Jack: Is that. I think that would be like the Second World. Right? That's not a Third World country.

Cristina: Does anyone ever say second World? Does anyone call themselves Second World?

Jack: Does anybody call themselves Third World? That might just be some.

Cristina: That's pretty American. Yes, but.

Jack: Okay, the idea is there. Ultimately, they're trying to push this existing idea, this existing religion onto another existing religion. But politically speaking, yes. Fine. Okay, Fine and dandy. Why do we have to pick a side? Still don't know. It's still ridiculous. My guess, absolute instability is what we desire from the Middle East. We can't have anything.

Cristina: Is the world saying things or is it just our country that's.

Jack: But we're buddying it. There's not a lot of people taking part in this. It's really those two. And then us.

Cristina: Not in the uk, not even Russia. No one.

Jack: None of that matters because of the point of what I'm talking about there. Maybe they weren't significant enough to have shown up while I was researching this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The important people are the ones I've mentioned. The United States was the point of this question. So we're focusing on that. And as far as we know, not a clue. We have no clue why there is any interest. I believe it is to maintain instability. That seems the only logical reason we would be involved in this, to maintain instability amongst the Middle East. Because if unity happened at any moment, then what? Okay, so the leader of this movement had a couple of lines that he would quote consistently. These lines immediately caught my attention while I was looking at them. So he went out of his way to state consistently that this ideological government was an order from above. Never at any point that he specifically mention God or Allah in saying it was an order from above. I Found that interesting, considering most people in those texts will immediately cite their God above. He would say Allah, but never when he's talking about an order from above. I found that particularly interesting. That's the good part about having a lot of journalistic experience, spotting inconsistencies, and so those weren't in accordance with a lot of the way people spoke. But anyways, he believes that people were fearful of the truth and fleeing from. This is a direct quote. Fearful of the truth and fleeing from it and from the remembrance of Allah and the Quran. Fine. That line didn't catch my attention. He said it a lot. As much as he would say an order from above, but he would also say this next line that really, really made me go, He also stated that they were fearful of a lion resting in our faith. A lion fearful of a lion resting in our faith. Like, you're just scared of the big bad cat waiting for you. Make a move. But that's. That's how he was displaying it. Oh, you're just fearful because you see something big and you don't want to move. But our faith should be stronger. And even if there is a lion, you should walk into that lion's den.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But the terminology was just. You could have worded this any other way. You're fearful of a lion, huh? Are you thinking about many things?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But this immediately made me, you know, go back, look at a couple of things. So the lion holds great significance in Islamic belief, which is why it's weird that he would word it in such a way if you're also pushing Islam. What. What's your beef with the lion, bro? It's like, a lot of the time used to represent strength and wisdom, bravery, leadership, a lot. We've seen it in many other cultures. We've seen it. The deceased people have it. The Christians have it. The Jews have it. It's everywhere. Lion is everywhere. What is your beef, and why is that the example?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Something about what you're preaching is now different than what everybody else is preaching. Because you didn't like the lion. Everybody else loves the lion. You didn't like the what? Why? Okay, so one of the more concerning lines which led to the war was the suggestion that Iran was to fill the Islamic vacancy left for the last 2000 years. One which cannot and will not be questioned, which was repeated often in his propaganda. Okay, okay. You got way specific, bro. You got way specific. You're gonna fill a vacancy that was formed for the last 2000 years. A religious vacancy that was formed for the last 2,000 years, a political, religious vacancy. I can only think of Jesus Christ 2000 years ago, bro. Yeah, like, that's hyper specific. What are you talking about? What vacancy? Christianity, Islam became quite substantial belief systems then. What vacancy are you talking about?

Cristina: Do you have any idea? Because what does that mean?

Jack: Well, the biggest issue my concern is what you're thinking. Like, what the f*** do you mean, bro? But the way that Iraq perceived this is, and I'm assuming the United States too, because of one which cannot and will not be questioned. It rings in such a way. Well, first of all, it's absolutely cryptic and confusing, but secondly, it rings like dictatorship, Like a strong push towards dictatorship, which is presumably what the United States.

Cristina: Saw and be like, bad guy.

Jack: Yeah, exactly, exactly. We were suddenly like, that's against democracy. Now we got an excuse.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He sounds like he's a dictator, and we don't like dictators. We go to war with all the dictators. Not to say that being a dictator is necessarily bad. I'm sure at some point in history there's gonna be a really good dictator. It's just humans get corrupted quick. But also, like, what politician do we have that isn't corrupt? For us to be pointing at some other political system being like, no, that's corrupt. Like, shut the f*** up. We're all corrupt.

Cristina: That's very true, points out the politician.

Jack: So I know surface details about ancient Islamic beliefs. So I had to do some mythological digging to find, you know, what happened in the last 2000 ish years relative and what the belief systems were. So let's unpack a couple of details of ancient Iranian mythology.

Cristina: Okay, so wait, before you do that, can I just ask one more question about this Fire the two, they already had separate religions, or were they already believing the same religion before this guy came? Like, what was happening religiously?

Jack: They were both Islamic already.

Cristina: Okay. And he's like, we're both like, Islamic. Let's partner up.

Jack: Well, they're different variants of Islam. They're both is. Again, it's like the Jehovah's Witness crossing paths with the Pentecostals.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: So it's just different variants of them that are there. And I guess he had a version that a version existed that. That he believed in and he made particularly powerful with his group. With his group of people. Yeah. So they truly, honestly believe that this was the right way and they were trying to spread that, but in a political way, not just in a religious way. They were trying to enforce it politically, legislate and whatnot.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're trying to bring Iraq into that, to unite under this new. And the Iraqis were like, no, this is not happening. What we believe is right, what you believe is wrong. And we weren't bothering you, but you're not going to force that on us. Okay, now we go back into these things. There was a noble despot, which is basically a dictator guarded by two vipers. Now, weird. Noble and snakes together might be the only mention in any religious text that I have ever seen other than Norse mythology that insinuates a snake being on the right side of things. That caught my attention quite heftily. I was like, what, dude? Okay, you got mentions of good snakes. You're defending the good guy. What?

Cristina: But.

Jack: Okay, whatever. Yeah, I found that weird. Then I come across something called Mount Kafka. Now this mountain. Get ready for this. I didn't know about this. I know about this. The first time I've heard about this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Mount Kaath is a mountain said to belong to the Djinn, a gateway from another realm, specifically said to be the beginning of the unseen divine world. This is an ancient f****** text.

Cristina: The sea people, they live in the other world. Whatever.

Jack: Sea people don't live in the other world. This is the Shadow Realm, bro.

Cristina: I know it's the Shadow Realm, but they. They don't. I don't know. They have mountains and the mountains can teleport. Like, it's not teleporting to here, but.

Jack: This is saying, Jin, this has no mention of the sea people.

Cristina: I feel like it's related now, but continue.

Jack: I see where you're coming from, though, but the mountain is located in the Caspian Sea, the body of water directly above the Persian Gulf. Interesting. We're going to get to a conclusion in a moment. Definitely fascinating that there is a mountain near the Persian Gulf where there are jinn and is said to be a port. Not only are there Djinn, but it belongs to the Djinn. And it's said to contain a portal from where the jinn are coming from.

Cristina: Exactly. Opposite sides are just things that come from the other side.

Jack: Yes, well, humanoids from the Shadow Realm. Because there's a bunch of other non Djinn things on the other side of the Shadow Room. But yeah, ultimately the human, quote, humans unquote of the Shadow Realm are the Djinn. There's a mountain called Kaath that happens to have a portal. There's a lot of echoes here of reminiscent things.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But. Okay, we go on. And I find that there is a type of thing called the Da'. Eva.

Cristina: What is that?

Jack: The Da' eva is the name of the leaders of the Jinn and other creatures among the mountain, oftentimes referred to as the gods of the Djinn. Oh, very interesting. There is one specific one called Dai. Who's the big Kahuna? The biggest Kahuna. The creator of that realm.

Cristina: The creator of that realm, yes.

Jack: Now I'm starting to see a whole other image because I thought I had the same ideas you had until I did. Dug a little deeper and I'm like, weren't the sea People avoiding something?

Cristina: Exactly. Now I'm confused. Because we thought they were avoiding that God from that other place.

Jack: That's what I still believe is the case. Get the f*** out of Dodge. Because that s***'s right around the corner.

Cristina: That's where they came from.

Jack: That's not where the sea people came from. That's where the thing that wants what the sea people had came from. So they were like, let's get the f*** out of here with all of it. And so they went. The Atlantic Ocean is my belief, because the Big Bad is right there. Jehovah the scientist and whatever the other thing is that he was trying to hide the Garden of Eden from came from that mountain. In theory. I don't know. That's my guess so far. But interesting things we never knew about. Additionally part of the same. Also, it's important to say that Iranians are Persians. The same thing. Iranians is Persians is the name of that entire region, including the Iraqis and basically the Middle East, Saudi Arabia, all of that was Persia. Okay, so there's a place called Alcaraz Palace.

Cristina: Is this a real place?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Alcaraz palace was completely made out of marble. According to ancient texts, the palace was colossal. A big city under one roof with its walls extending from one horizon to the other. And it was situated along the coast of Persia, AKA the Persian Gulf.

Cristina: It was a city right next to the water. So in a sort of bubble already.

Jack: And this name is actually in a couple of texts. I didn't catch it before when I came across the name, but this is the actual name of the Persian Gulf oasis. Like the main quarters.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They had a name all along. It was Alcaraz Palace. That is where maybe the main politicians or the big bads or those, you know, the big kahunas of the sea people lived.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So there were.

Cristina: There was a civilization in a building, which sort of.

Jack: No, not just a city in a building, because I assuming there's a dome and a bunch of buildings. But this was the biggest of the buildings. The biggest of the buildings in the city.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The big quarters. This is Mount Olympus of the sea people. Now, the palace was known for having a large library. This is just me reading parts of these texts. Large library, many books which didn't survive to this day. However, some books did, such as the Avasta, are still used, which is used for Islam. It's one of the texts that's used to enforce Islam.

Cristina: I thought you were gonna say it's a BC area or something. No, no, no, that's random.

Jack: Now, the picture that's painted so far, as far as I can see, this guy is preaching a version of Islam that disagrees with the current state of Islam that is there. He's talking about an ancient form of Islam and a vacancy that was formed presumably when the sea people left the Persian Gulf oasis and migrated to the Atlantic Ocean, which was roughly 2,000 years ago.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That movement coincided perfectly with the lack of inner. With a sudden stop in interaction with an evil super God that decided to consistently torture, kill all this nonsense. Jehovah. Quote, Jehovah became good 2000 years ago and stopped murdering. This guy says a vacancy began 2,000 years ago. It looks like this guy's version of Islam is whatever the h*** the mountain was. Mount Kaf. He was on the side of the Jinn. That's the religion he believes should exist. Keep in mind, all of this is still Persia, Iran and Iraq. All of this is still Persia. This man in the 80s is essentially preaching the shadow realm version of it.

Cristina: Interesting. But then his goal wouldn't just be to have these two countries reunite, but the whole Middle east or just these two countries.

Jack: It's possible that it's about taking over the Middle east because he would start with Iraq. Yeah, but there are many other parts of the Middle east that are. The majority is Islamic. And like Christianity, it's a lot of different sects. So in theory, what you're thinking is what I'm thinking. He wanted to you unify all the versions of Islam under this shadow version of it, worshiping some sort of shadow God, the Jehovah of Dark.

Cristina: Who spoke to him?

Jack: Who spoke to him? Direct orders from Jehovah of Dark.

Cristina: That's why he said to avoid the lion or something.

Jack: Avoid the lion? Like we're fleeing from the lion. It's like, no, don't flee the lion is whatever system was already there, which happens to be every other religion is based on. But that's not even the point. Primarily the religion of the sea people. They worshiped the lion, specifically. Interesting.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now, why did we get involved? Is still the question lingering. But suddenly when we get here, a lot of mist is lifted. Because why? Because they were made to. The United States wanted no part in this. They were obligated to. Because by the sea people.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: They were made to take part and preserve.

Cristina: To stop it.

Jack: To stop it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: To stop the overtake. Because it's corrupt. They know. They understand, like, it's global types of bad. You're gonna allow them to take over. They'll expand a little more. And they'll expand a little more. They'll give this thing enough power to do what it does. And you're going to go back to what it was like before year one, okay? And nobody wants that guy out here. This was a push to bring Jehovah of Dark out of wherever he was put. Presumably Mount Kaf got sealed off because Mount Kaf's location is only known as the Caspian Sea. There's no specific location for it. Because one of the very things that's stated about Mankof is it could only be found by those willing to embrace it. You have to want what's there to even see the mountain.

Cristina: So he saw the mountain.

Jack: Who saw the mountain? The guy? Yeah, probably. The point is that the mountain can't be found and that the mountain was probably pushed away entirely. I'm assuming the mountain was absolutely normal, physically speaking, before Jehovah of Dark was sealed in there back on his side. So the gateway, the mountain and everything on it plunged into wherever by the sea people and whatever abilities they had to do. So, so the mountain just disappears.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that nobody can access Jehovah of Dark, but this guy somehow finds a way or reads a text or something. Something. Maybe he never saw the mountain.

Cristina: We get some kind of connection to this God.

Jack: But he knows. Yeah, he knows something. Presumably God on the other side communicating somehow. You know, he could probably just gather enough energy to manifest and at least send his voice. And this guy hears it and he's like, God is speaking to me, of course, but it's the God of Dark. It's Jehovah of Dark. And so he commences this entire process, gets people on board. The movement starts to pick up. At first it wasn't a problem, but with time it started to build up more and more and more until the sea people were like, this is becoming a problem.

Cristina: Okay? And then we did something.

Jack: When they finally started the push into a different country, then they were like, that's absolutely too strong. It's not just with us. It's not just a faction within a country now. It's a country trying to push into another country. Yeah, it grew too much. Now the United States again doesn't care. We hate the Middle east. That's our M.O.

Cristina: We want them to die. Okay?

Jack: We want them to die. And the sea people don't care. They're like, whatever, dude. We'll let them do what they're gonna do is perfectly fine. Let them kill each other, too. We don't give a crap. We got out of.

Cristina: Got to protect this secret.

Jack: We got to. Yeah, we got to protect the secret. And they went over here. Fine. It's all hidden and nothing matters until the waves, the sound of Jehovah, of dark, maybe come back that suddenly. Oh, hold up. Now. We got to take some action. But they're not going to take action themselves. They don't exist to the world, so they need a proxy. Enter America.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They're right next to us. They're right there in the Atlantic Ocean, right next to us. We respond to what they want. Had they been next to some European country, they would have bent their arm. But we're the closest, we're the loudest, and we're known for crap like this anyways, so send the Americans in to stop the problem. So then we. The war breaks out, and they start to help Iraq because the Iranians are following the God of dark. Suddenly, the image makes perfect sense.

Cristina: Yes. Yes.

Jack: Now, let's talk a little more about this war. The Iranian war began. The Iranian Iraqi war began in 1980 and ended in 1988. Perfect. In the middle of that, there was something called the Tanker War. Same countries, but this took place in the Persian Gulf. Now, the official narrative here is this was over trade routes.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: You know, because the war is happening. We're all surrounding this thing. Saudi Arabia, to current day, known as the guardians of the Persian Gulf. Like, at this moment for, like, a really long time. They're the people who usually kind of keep the peace in that area because they're neutral, according to a bunch of these other people who hate each other. They tend to be removed because they're also the most powerful group there. People just kind of subdue them. So they side also with Iraq. Okay, so we have another country enter. And they are also, like, we don't like what's going on there. But they only got involved at this point. They only got involved once it went to the Persian Gulf.

Cristina: Because of the trade routes.

Jack: Because the trade routes, quote. Because trade routes unquote. Okay, Saudi Arabia got involved. Now all of this is happening around them the entire time. This began in 1984 and ended in 1988. So this is four years after it began. They were neutral. They didn't care. It didn't bother them until it bled into the Persian Gulf. Suddenly they're like, okay, we're in, and we're not letting you guys do whatever you're doing here. Trade routes, blah, blah, blah. Now, this is just a smaller conflict. And what's weird about this is that both sides fighting for trade routes seem to be really fixated with establishing trade routes along the path where they both were. It said that the palace of Alcaraz was located. How convenient that where you're trying to set trade routes and that the second smaller conflict breaks out happens to be where the Persian Gulf oasis was.

Cristina: Why do you think that spot is important?

Jack: Because either the Iranians are trying to erase the history that's there or capture whatever was left behind. Something about that required. Something about that area required Saudi Arabia to stay behind and guard it. Okay, there's something to guard. And Iran wanted that. Wanted to either capture it or destroy it. That part is unclear. I just know that for whatever reason, in 1984, suddenly a second conflict about trade routes that just so happened to be over where the palace of Alcaraz was, AKA the Persian Gulf oasis. So there's a lot of effort here being made in an obvious, obvious fashion for what seems to be Jehovah of Dark, A missing mountain, the Persian Gulf oasis ruins or whatever we would call that. If it's. If it's possible that it could be ruined now. What do you think about this? This is crazy, right?

Cristina: Yes. I think it's happening. Or it was happening that the. That guy was working with him, I guess. I don't know. That's so weird because he was speaking to something.

Jack: He was speaking to something. It's so specific. It's so specific that he would say things in such a way that lions are the problem. Lions. You're fearful of lions? Why are you fearful of lions? We had weird. The fact that this is this. I'm totally thrown off by the fact that a mountain with a portal to the Shadow Realm and the Atlanteans are.

Cristina: In the same spot.

Jack: Portals.

Cristina: It's so crazy. That is weird.

Jack: Yeah. The Atlanteans establish portals on mountains as well.

Cristina: Yes. How are they really?

Jack: Unless it's not because Pegasus. They fly to the tops of mountains.

Cristina: No, we don't know that. We know they come down from Mountains.

Jack: We know they come down from mountains with Pegasus.

Cristina: That doesn't mean they fly up with Pegasus.

Jack: Yes, we don't actually know that for a fact. You're totally right. We know. Mountains. Mountains. Something is weird about mountains.

Cristina: Yeah. Portal technology. There's portals on this mountain specifically, that goes to the other side, to the shadow realm.

Jack: There's a way to get to the shadow. There's an actual physical gate to the shadow realm.

Cristina: So they might also have found that, and maybe that helped them with the technology to teleport.

Jack: I am thinking that. I'm really, really believing that they put that mountain away. I believe that the sea people went out of their way, assuming Jehovah is also one of the sea people. And they put away this mountain. They closed the portal, they got rid of the Djinn, they closed the mountain, and they made it vanish. Which is why it's a mountain that cann be found.

Cristina: Yeah, but did they base their portal technology off of a natural portal?

Jack: That's interesting, because this portal isn't a. We're talking the difference between a portal and a wormhole.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Because this is a portal to a different realm, as opposed to what the sea people have, which seems to just be teleportation technology.

Cristina: Yeah. That's so crazy. Advanced teleportation technology.

Jack: Well, we know they're advanced. I'm not sure why that's a surprise. That's the fact of the matter. Matter.

Cristina: Yes, but.

Jack: And, like, other than the mountain part, it doesn't seem to be connected. It seems very different. Because it never said, like, you go through a portal on top of Mount Athos and you end up at. In a different realm. Yeah, in a different universe.

Cristina: In heaven, they must have at least been inspired to put their portals on mountains because of this portal on a mountain?

Jack: It depends how old we think this mountain is.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because you gotta also understand that Mary went through one of these portals that took her from one location to the other on Earth. So did they. This mountain, Mount Kaf, must be millions of years old, the way that the sea people are, and thus they use the technology, discovered this technology or adapted it millions of years ago. And that would be the case because if it happened around 2,000 years ago, then no, that wouldn't. Like, the timeline doesn't check out. You know, they already had it. And if this was the first encounter with the mountain, that they finally found a way to stop it, that there is finally safe enough for them to head over there and stop the mountain, then that means they would have never encountered the mountain until that moment. And they couldn't have taken the technology from there.

Cristina: The mountain disappeared 2,000 years ago.

Jack: Yes, from. Not necessarily disappeared. The discrepancy in text. Basically, it was just a mountain that belonged to the Djinn and the Daivi, or whatever they're called. And around 2,000 years ago, which is also around the same time that Jehovah of darkness just vanishes around that point is where now the mountain can only be found by those who seek it, by those who are worthy and those who are. Who want what it offers.

Cristina: Okay, so, yeah, it does sound like they're hiding it with their own technology.

Jack: Yes. I'm thinking two different types of things. Natural something, and the crazy advanced, overpowered technology of the sea people. They somehow plunge this mountain away. The same way they hide a literal island garden. Okay, Unless it's not an island garden. And these are all code names for technology, which seems to be the most likely.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But either way, they can hide themselves an entire city. So they can hide a mountain.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Presumably in plain sight. The mountain probably never moved. The mountain is probably a mountain over water or something. And it's cloaked.

Cristina: You can still see it randomly.

Jack: I'm thinking whoever knows where it is just walks in that direction. Think of Wakanda. It doesn't cease to be where it is. It just can't be seen without being there. But if you manage to cross and get to the barrier. Well, now touch it. You can see the other side. You can cross the barrier. Because it's just being cloaked. Yeah, it's still there. Now they somehow sealed whatever was in there. Nothing can get out. And Jehovah of Dark is trapped in there. He also can't get out. The mountain invisible, but the mountain still there somewhere. Mount Kaaf is on Earth. Somewhere in the Caspian Sea. Still there, invisible.

Cristina: Right next to where they used to live.

Jack: Right next to the Persian Gulf. The Caspian Sea. Basically. If you're looking at a globe, north is the Caspian Sea. Then you go down a little, you hit Iraq. You go down a little more, you hit Iran. You go down a little more. Persian Gulf.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They are divided, the Persian Gulf and the Caspian Sea, by Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Those are the countries in between these two bodies of war.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: To the north, Caspian Sea. To the south, the Persian Gulf. And there's a mountain in the Caspian Sea. Totally vanished. Disappeared. Doesn't exist, but it's still there. It sounds like sea people technology.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Your ability to make things vanish in your face.

Cristina: Mm. What happened? What happened? It's like we have so many pieces of this story, many fragments. Yes. Somehow Jesus is involved.

Jack: Yes, 100%.

Cristina: Just 2,000 years ago.

Jack: Everything happened 2,000 years ago.

Cristina: And it's still question like, were they hiding from him? Were they trying to hide him? What.

Jack: What bothers me is that I just ask a random question out of curiosity, like, what was our point? I knew it would go here simply because of the one fact that it doesn't seem logical for us to involve ourselves in this conflict. And it evolves the Middle east, which is Persia. I knew this is the only reason I chased this. I knew where this was going. By default, he's a Persia because Persia.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: Now I. Not literally where it was going. I knew what was going to be mentioned, which was definitely the Sea People. Of course, I did not know that djinns were gonna come up.

Cristina: No, that's.

Jack: That's random.

Cristina: Mind blowing.

Jack: But now we have very vividly another instance in which we've connected or gotten proximity between two things. Last time we managed to get proximity between Adrenochrome and the Sea People. Now we again made proximity between the Shadow Realm and the Sea People. And we know factually because we made in the past long ago the proximity of Adrenochrome and the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: There's still something missing. They're like. It's connect. They're dotted lines that we gotta fill out. What? This is crazy.

Jack: Something about mountains that keep showing up. Something about mountains that keep showing up. Portals on mountains. Cyprus had one too.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Portals and mountains. Something about portals and mountains. Interesting enough.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The Shinto shrine design and pathways.

Cristina: I was about to. I was thinking about portals. I was thinking about it.

Jack: Yep. Just looks like portals.

Cristina: And one of those stories is Jesus made tribes.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yep. You see, you see how all of this kind of works together? Looks like portals, bro?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Shrines where deities, divine entities, spirits and ghosts come through, go to hover around, happen to be on mountains. And they literally look like portals.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If we assume in Western culture, a single portal at the top, and we don't see it because nobody's allowed up there, but if we look at the places where we are allowed to look, more or less the same idea, the same people visited those locations, except we're allowed to look and we see gateways that look like freaking portals, we can assume that maybe these same gateways are on top of these other mountains. Maybe not necessarily on top of Mount Kafka. Definitely something else happening up there. But at least in Shinto and on top of Athos. And on top of Cyprus, there must be something that looks like these Shinto shrine archways, creating a visual that maybe there is some teleportation technology working in some kind of quantum state that allows them to just poof out of here and poof over there.

Cristina: Yeah. What?

Jack: But the bigger picture is hazy.

Cristina: It's so hazy.

Jack: Yeah, we have all the parts. We keep circling the same parts. Everything leads back to the same parts. I just asked, why did the United States get involved in the Iraq Iranian war and moved forward from there? We know we don't like those people. Why did we go help either one of them?

Cristina: Because something told us to.

Jack: Something told us to. Something was bigger than our dislike of the Middle East. They convinced us by telling us. Well, they didn't have to convince us. They're overpowered in ridiculous fashion. If they could, like, strong arm us to do kind of anything. But I'm sure they didn't. I'm sure it was like, look, this is what it'll look like if you let it happen. And they were like, oh, crap. And then we just kind of went and did our thing. Yeah, but the fact that it circled right back, this ideology that this man was pushing, that scene. There are people now still now. But then we see these politicians talking about the adrenochrome, these politicians talking about child sacrifice. We know of an island on Earth where children were trafficked to. Children were abused in many different ways.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's a fact. That's real. Did this island have a mountain, though? Did Epstein's island have a mountain, though? Okay, so. No, it is absurdly flat.

Cristina: It's very flat.

Jack: Well, maybe the idea is that this was just remote as f***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because can these people find Mount Koth? If they did, they wouldn't need adrenochrome. There's no mountain here. And that's why they need adrenochrome, because then you can access the other side. If you have access to the mountains, you don't need adrenochrome. I guess that's the break. So we're, in theory, we're talking natural elements of this side connecting to the Shadow Realm will never cross the unnatural elements on this side of adrenochrome, because that would defeat the purpose. You're using adrenochrome because you can't find the natural elements of the Shadow Realm on this side. If you could, you wouldn't need the adrenochrome. You would just use the portal.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So on top of the fact that the adrenal chrome could give you immortality and special abilities. If you crossed over to the shadow realm through that portal, would you just fall apart? Because your body can't sustain on that version of reality. So you need adrenochrome anyways.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Makes more sense to do that. And this belief system isn't talking about them crossing. This belief system seems to be about bringing what's over there over here over here. Based on the logic, we know Jehovah of Dark is over there. Jinn reside on this mountain, and it's a portal to that side.

Cristina: And Jesus might be over there.

Jack: I don't think Jesus is over there. And I don't think the portals that Jesus built have anything to do with the natural portal that exists on Mount Cough. I think those are unrelated. I think the Jesus portals are technology and they are sea people. Technology.

Cristina: But was he trying to get to the sea or was he trying to get to the.

Jack: I think the sea.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because why would he try to get to the other side? They sealed that off intentionally.

Cristina: He seems very interested in adrenochrome. He seems to be adrenochrome addict. Like, I know they twisted him into a hero and made him a good guy, but those are the books that they put out. Yes, the Bible.

Jack: Because there is a giant correction happening as well.

Cristina: Yes, because they were on the side of his mom. She was one of them. That doesn't mean they were on his side.

Jack: Yeah, because the Magi's job was entirely to correct and suppress and protect.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So they went out of their way on top of making the Knights Templar, in order to also continue to eradicate any information and rewrite. Continuous rewrites.

Cristina: Which the rewrite could be that our hero is the villain.

Jack: Well, the rewrite. Yeah, it's rewriting that he was the villain.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they did kick him out.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they totally welcomed Mary, but they did not welcome Jesus.

Cristina: No, but they're telling us the lie that he's a good guy.

Jack: But those portals. Those portals. I mean, the portals do say. Fair enough. Fair enough. Nothing about Mount Athos has ever said demons. That feels technology. They just show up. It doesn't feel weird. It doesn't feel dark. But everything about the Jesus portals feels dark. Because it's Shinto portals.

Cristina: Yes, we know. Demons are there.

Jack: Demons, spirits, divinity, all of it. All of it. So maybe you're right. Jesus found the way. Actually, what you were saying before is literally what Jesus was doing, but not what the sea people were doing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You were thinking the sea people created adopted Technology. No, Jesus did.

Cristina: Jesus did.

Jack: Jesus did. The sea people did not.

Cristina: No.

Jack: They were doing everything in their power to separate these two entities. We need to get rid of that mountain. We need to get rid of Jesus and not let them cross paths. Worked. Except Jesus is still a sea person. He has the intellect, he has know how, and he's some sort of divinity himself. And they knew the visions of this child would allure people to whatever it is that Adam and Eve and the Garden of Eden are. There's something weird and special about this child. And the kids somehow still, still f****** managed to make portals that allow at least lesser beings to come through.

Cristina: Yes. But not this bigger, scarier thing.

Jack: They're trying to hunt and they manage to kill Jesus. I'm assuming at this point now this is really, really probably orchestrated by the sea people. The death of Jesus was probably orchestrated by the sea people.

Cristina: But him coming back, was that because of the adrenochrome?

Jack: That was because.

Cristina: And then they really couldn't stop him.

Jack: They couldn't stop him.

Cristina: They probably knew they couldn't stop him, but they didn't know, like, they didn't know.

Jack: They didn't know the extent. They knew about alicorn. They didn't know about adrenochrome. He discovered adrenochrome. He discovered the technology to make the portals. Jesus is a particularly bad guy in the story. We know the Templar were going out of their way, we know the magi were going out of the way to correct consistently. Correct consistently. And they tried to convince this child of other things, but he didn't seem to give a f***.

Cristina: And they knew killing him wouldn't stop him. But then they got desperate and they did it. But it didn't matter because they couldn't stop him because he came back.

Jack: I don't know if they knew that ahead of time. I don't think they knew about adrenochrome. They knew.

Cristina: No, I don't think they knew. I think they just knew they had to stop him.

Jack: Oh yeah. I don't think they knew he would come back like.

Cristina: No, they knew they were gonna fail, I think.

Jack: How?

Cristina: Because they knew the future enough to know that he was a danger and that they really couldn't stop him. But they were trying hard. That's why they have all this backup and cover up.

Jack: No, the only things they knew about the future was, was the kid. People didn't have visions of the future. People had visions of the child.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They had visions of the child and where the child was. So they to change where the child would be so that those visions wouldn't lead them there. So they got rid of the kid because the visions were of the kid there in the Persian Gulf oasis. So they send Mary out, and they're like, we're gonna move everybody. People already around the globe had visions of us here. We're gonna send you out. You're gonna have that kid on Mount Cyprus. We're going to then go move entirely. The visions are gonna lead everybody to Cyprus. There's gonna be a way for you to get from Cyprus to Athos and from Athos to our new home. But the kid won't be with you. Nobody will ever have visions of where we are.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: It will never happen because you had the kid away, and the kid will never be where we're gonna be. So visions of the kid will never lead people to us. Thus, we protect Adam and Eve in the garden.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now, the kid with these special abilities and science, know how. Found adrenochrome, made adrenochrome, invented adrenochrome, discovered adrenochrome.

Cristina: Something.

Jack: Adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then something. Portals.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the problem persisted. They were like, okay. They didn't know about the adrenochrome part.

Cristina: No.

Jack: They knew about the portal part. And they're like, this guy's gotta go. Like, I'm sorry, Mary, but he's gotta go. They orchestrate the whole thing. The guy gets killed. Put him in a hole. Sweet. Now they're like, oh, yeah, he's crazy. Not kids talking about coming back, whatever. But then he actually comes back, and you're like, holy crap. What the f*** happened? He surpassed us. We managed to take his life the way we would one of our own and permanently be dead. And he's still around. He came back after we killed him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Problems.

Cristina: But then I guess he went to the other side. Like, why did he disappear, too?

Jack: That's interesting, because he did go somewhere else. According to everything. He went somewhere else.

Cristina: Probably did go.

Jack: He managed to find a way.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: These portals were one way. This way.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because.

Cristina: Because he came back from death, he became something else.

Jack: Oh, because he had adrenochrome, he was.

Cristina: He became whatever.

Jack: Yes. He can access the other side after death.

Cristina: That was his goal.

Jack: He made a portal, and then he got killed. The portals are a one way over here. Yes, he got killed. He shows up in the Shadow Realm because he took adrenochrome. He already made the portals. He built his way back before they killed him. Holy crap.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He built his way back before they killed him.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Took the adrenochrome, knowing it would happen because he has something. Something about him is allowing him to predict well enough.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And he gets killed, goes to the shadow realm, comes back through the portals that he himself built while he was alive.

Cristina: I think so. And maybe he's the one talking to these other people.

Jack: It could be him. Maybe it's the. The. Yeah. Because he can access. He just got to stay under the radar. But it's probably him. It's probably not Jehovah of Dark. He probably saw Jehovah of Dark and they're in cahoots. And so this entire conflict in the Middle east was actually the fault of Jesus because he was pushing farther and farther. And chances are he's trying some other way now.

Cristina: Right now.

Jack: Right now. He's always trying something.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He's always trying something. Because the goal is presumably to bring Jehovah of Dark back.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I don't know why. If you are a C person, maybe the. The anger of being cast and not being allowed with his people is like, okay, then f*** him. F*** those people. Revenge forever. But they were protecting themselves already from the s*** that now you're siding with. They were protecting that from him, which meant you're some sort of special thing that people had visions of. They had to get rid of you to protect that from him. But in doing so, now you're an angry person and you're like, I'm a side with him, then.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The ultimate goal is to bring him back, to take them down and maybe.

Cristina: To get that machine to create more.

Jack: Life, if that's what it is. Yes. To get the Garden of Eden and Adam and Eve is what Jehovah of Dark wants. And Jesus just wants whatever Jehovah of Dark wants. Cuz f*** the sea people.

Cristina: Maybe. Yeah. I think we're getting closer.

Jack: We're getting closer to something.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Anyways, that's what I got.

Cristina: Interesting. Random.

Jack: All out of the curiosity of what the h*** is going on with that war that happened in the Middle east connects to adrenochrome. Everything does, because everything does Adrenochrome. Just in this one thing. We have Jesus, which connected us to adrenochrome. We have the sea people, and in the same breath, we have the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: The Iran Iraq war featured all three things. Very sparsely separated, but we've connected dots now. That kind of makes sense.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We have a fuller picture because of this war.

Cristina: That's awesome. There's gonna be other wars that will point us to.

Jack: Yes. This is probably not even the first one. This is just the one I looked at. Yeah, I said it's just the one I looked at the end. There must be other wars we've gotten involved that make absolutely no sense. Probably in the Middle East. There's a lot of wars in the Middle East.

Cristina: I guess we gotta go inspect 911 again. Yeah.

Jack: And we're all Afghanistan.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: There's things everywhere, man. A little bit of something. The Middle east is a hot spot for some dark s***.

Cristina: Yes, interesting.

Jack: Anyways, if you guys have any add ons, any ideas, any inputs you got, comments, questions, concerns, this is quite concerning. You can contact us at all our socials usconville Pod, that's Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, whatever.

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March 11, 2023

Rambling 217: Jesus the Son of Atlantis

March 11, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

What future was being avoided by the ancients? Why did the Sea People cast Mary and Joseph from the Persian Gulf Oasis and only allow them in once the child was no longer involved? And what is the Garden of Eden? The duo ponder how their recent findings into the ancient world connect and why these characteristics present themselves so often related to one another. What is discovered about Jesus Christ and the reason the Sea People cast his family is an entirely new revelation worth investigation of its own.

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Topics Discussed:

Adrenochrome
Christianity
Mount Athos
Atlantis
The Shadow Realm
Unicorns
Space
The Garden of Eden
The Maya
Egyptians
The MagiHoly
Coat
Blood of Christ

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+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is a show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas, and they're usually really absurd and really baffling simultaneously. I think we do a pretty good job sometimes.

Cristina: Childish.

Jack: Yeah, sometimes they're childish. Rarely lately, but that's still kicking around in there.

Cristina: But what the Christians did to the Russians. Christians. What is it? The. Whatever. Christians versus the Russian Christians. And then with the book. That's pretty childish.

Jack: Yeah, that was pretty childish. On the mountain.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Hiding. Hiding their picture book of animals.

Cristina: Yeah, it's pretty childish. I'm assuming the Russians are also Christian, Right? Like, they have to be.

Jack: Okay, so I'm very confused about this myself too. I think most of them are Christian, but not all of them.

Cristina: Yeah, but the Russians specifically, what do you think they are?

Jack: I think it would have to be Rush Christian, right?

Cristina: Yeah, I think so. Like, the other option is atheists, but I doubt, like, there's an atheist church on them.

Jack: Yeah, there's no. Yeah, they're all believers of something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they all find that mountain holy to some degree. Okay, so good. Good point. Right, like that. That was a weird, childish thing that did happen. But you bring up an interesting thing that this mountain. Okay, like, that book is weird. We're talking about Mount Athos. For anybody who doesn't know what mountain we're talking about, it's Mount Athos.

Cristina: From the last episode.

Jack: From the last. Yeah, the last series. Series. Series of episodes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's a very strange mountain with a lot of weird things. But I went and I looked farther to find what thing is. Are on that mountain that could somehow be relevant to anything else.

Cristina: Are there more mythical creatures?

Jack: Interesting. I don't know. But I gathered this information. I went ahead and I looked for all the things related to this mountain so that I can see how weird the things got. And the initial thought I came to this episode with was, we're gonna unpack the similarities between. Or not similarities, but what? Things have patterns that we consistently notice. But we'll get to that in a moment because this is one of the patterns, Right. This freaky mountain came out of nowhere, and then everything we've already ever looked at seems to connect through this mountain. All of a sudden, we became aware, and now we can't unsee the freaking mountain.

Cristina: Okay, but this mountain isn't on that line, though, is it?

Jack: Mount Athos is not directly on the line, though, because it's just off. It's just off. All the countries surrounding it are considered part, but not because of how close they are to that line.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But the only one landing directly on it is the Persian Gulf.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now I was looking at the fact that they hid that book atop the mountain.

Cristina: Newer.

Jack: I thought that was weird. It's like, okay, we know that you guys are trying to hide something. There's something weird happening up there. But that's too. That's. That's a deep secret. Like, we need to know somebody. We're not. We're gonna find out what's up there. You know, that's whatever. But in an effort to hide whatever is on top of that mountain most effectively, you're gonna let slip what's everywhere else. Somehow you can't hold it all up. So here and there, there's information for things, whether or not they tried to hide it. You can find out other things that are there now. Important to know that there's a lot of weirdly diabolical things that always take place in Christianity. People can take it for what it is, whatever, you know, you do drinking.

Cristina: What's happening? Children. Are they taking children to the mod?

Jack: No, no, it's more about. Again, I'm just talking about things they contain on the mountain. Relics.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Objects of the past and whatever. And like, first, the Catholic Church is very strange. They have a lot, a lot of skulls. Yes, many.

Cristina: Well, they keep the saints, don't they?

Jack: Yes, they have chambers of skulls, of just saint skulls.

Cristina: I think they've collected their blood. Use for magic.

Jack: Yeah, well, for me, I guess it would have to be, right. They do have the blood of the saints. They do. They have many, many. So much blood. There's so much blood. And there's so many skeletons and skulls. They have severed hands, they have severed feet. They have chests, like just torsos laying around. They got all these things preserved infinitely. They have all this crap in a lot of different, like, churches, cathedrals, like, you know, places where they have it. Many places have them.

Cristina: Many.

Jack: Yeah, they're everywhere. Catholic Church, skulls and, like, blood.

Cristina: People go there to pray on those objects.

Jack: Yo, this is normal.

Cristina: Because it's magical in these people's eyes that are praying to these objects or skulls or blood or whatever.

Jack: Blows my mind. It blows my mind. It's so blatantly satanic. Whoa. But whatever. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the most interesting two items that are here are they have the largest portion of the cross.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, they have the largest portion of the cross in Mount Athos.

Cristina: Specifically the cross that Jesus was on. You're talking about like any cross. It was the cross.

Jack: It was the cross. They have a chunk of the cross.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes. The other thing that's incredibly interesting here is the vial. The one vial. The one vial of blood of Jesus is on this.

Cristina: No, it's not. I don't know how that's possible.

Jack: My question is, is it at the top? Why? Why is it less important than whatever's at the top?

Cristina: How do you know it's not at the top?

Jack: Wasn't. It's inside certain monasteries.

Cristina: That's very strange.

Jack: What was in the book? So it was in the book. Why. Why does that get to be the thing that goes up? Why is that more important?

Cristina: It has location of Mary.

Jack: Does it? Like what is. What is happening here? This is a really weird, almost contradicting idea that if whatever's most important goes to the summit of the mountain, you do you take. Or are they just trolling and there's no importance to the top of the mountain, it's just sacred. And nobody goes up there. And so they just took it from the Russians and they're like, haha, you can't grab your thing. But I doubt that's happening. So why was the book more important to take up there? I don't understand. It seems like such an arbitrary thing.

Cristina: It does. Yeah. Because it's not just about the unicorn.

Jack: It's not just about the unicorn. Like really? Really. Why the book? Why the beastiary Mary?

Cristina: 100% it's Mary. No, but she's not like a beast or anything.

Jack: Yeah, she's not like a Pokemon.

Cristina: I don't know. Unless they found out something about her that makes her a Pokemon.

Jack: The makes her Pokemon? That'd be nuts.

Cristina: Exactly. We wouldn't know because it's in that book. What if it is in that book? I don't know. Because we know she's important somehow. But they don't talk about it. They just say they were worshiping Mary on this mountain.

Jack: Yeah, it's very vague.

Cristina: She came there, they're there for her. But where is she?

Jack: Yeah, I don't know. Story kind of just abruptly wraps up. But why would the book be associated with Mary? It still doesn't make sense. She's not a Pokemon.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Like, yes, definitely. There's. I don't understand. It's so weird, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I don't get it. Just the. You have the blood, dude. If this blood is what you say it is, or if it's not, either way, you take it to the top of the mountain, because holy. Right. If you're lying and you need to keep the secret, take it to the top.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If you're telling the truth, then holy s***, it's the blood of Jesus. Take it to the f****** top.

Cristina: So it's not the real thing?

Jack: No. If it's not the real thing, you also want it at the freaking top.

Cristina: Not if you need it, because also in the top, magic doesn't work. Or the whole mountain is not magical. Is it just the top or is it all of it?

Jack: Interesting? I don't remember. Was it just the top? I think it was that only the top is where magic works.

Cristina: Is where magic works.

Jack: It's the only part of the mountain where magic works. Making it neutral territory for when people with magic show up. Or in this case, I guess it would be some sort of dampening field. If we're talking that these are advanced civilizations because we fail to think of it in that way. And we're supposed to, because that's what's happening. These were the higher developed groups of people. And so everything we're considering the. Be this sort of. Again, we just established that even unicorns were just genetically engineered. Large shire horses with a defect bred in intentionally to make an interesting shape.

Cristina: Possibly, yes.

Jack: So it's all science. So ultimately, what you're dealing with is something there that's making the territory neutral.

Cristina: Except for the top.

Jack: Except for the very top. Because they need to arrive. You can't disable their technology when they land. They need to get there and then, you know, park or whatever and then come down. That's what it sounds like to me. The whole time I was telling that, I was always thinking about it that way, and I'm like, why does it sound like. Of course I wasn't thinking about a dampening field or anything, but you know that they land. They park. They essentially park up there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then they come down the trade.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And it's like, what a weird series of sentences to use to describe that. You could have said anything else. They came down and gave us tablets, bro. You could just. You could have said anything. But you chose to say they came, they landed, and then they walked out. They walked down and they just traded with us.

Cristina: I don't know. Why do they have that blood? They're not doing anything with it. Because then on top of the mountain, it would be magical.

Jack: On top of the Mountain. It would be magical. Why does the book. Is the book magical?

Cristina: Well, on the top it should be.

Jack: But what is magical about the book? It's just a bookkeeping record. If the book itself doesn't have power, it's just. I saw a thing. I drew it and described it a little. And this is where I saw it. Why is that up there?

Cristina: It makes sense.

Jack: It doesn't.

Cristina: It?

Jack: 100%. This makes sense. It haunts me.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It haunts me. There's some mystical something about having a portion of the. The holy cross up there that's some significance. The blood. Significant. But.

Cristina: But neither of those things are on the top.

Jack: Neither of those things are at the top.

Cristina: They're just there.

Jack: Hello. Skeletons and crap. None of those are at the top either.

Cristina: Did you find anything else weird on that mountain?

Jack: No, this actually, by accident, I even found this information is the craziest thing, because I wasn't looking for this.

Cristina: What were you looking for?

Jack: I was looking at the fact that we still have. Jesus. We haven't solved that problem. We slightly peaked into the future and stuck. Got stuck in a loop of some sort already. And it's like, okay, we can't use a time machine anymore, so let's reason through it. So I was thinking we're going to look at the artifacts that he directly came in contact with. That makes perfect sense to me. That's a good place to start. Because if he has some sort of real magic or power, then maybe something else does too, that he touched or interacted or used or whatever. And so we could use that to bring him out of cryostasis without killing him.

Cristina: Assuming that those things are magical.

Jack: Yeah, assuming that they're magic. And we can actually bypass technology. But if it does turn out to.

Cristina: Be technology, then how would we know how to use that technology?

Jack: How would we know how to use.

Cristina: Like, even if it's magic, we wouldn't know how to use it. Neither. Or either.

Jack: Or. But we have. Again, we have means at least to learn what kind of thing works with magic. We know things that claim magic, even if it turns out to always be technology, which just means it's ultimately going to be just too advanced of a technology.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Crap. That's always a problem, isn't it?

Cristina: If it is somehow magic, we can give it to our beaver.

Jack: To our beaver.

Cristina: Groundhog.

Jack: Well, in. He's not magic.

Cristina: He's pretty magical.

Jack: I mean, is that what happens is. Did we establish that it is magic that you get from adrenochrome because you.

Cristina: Get abilities I guess we never really call it magic.

Jack: No, but we didn't say it was like, you know, sciency either, because, like, could we track it in the gene? It's a we. It is kind of other thing of some sort.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Like, why does a plus that specific be equal? A functional C? I don't understand.

Cristina: Something's not right.

Jack: Something's not right. But. Yeah. So this mountain is a complete nightmare. And once it showed up, it didn't stop showing up. And so, again, looking through things related to Jesus, the main things that were important for whatever reason, the relics that are being hoarded in different places around the world away from the public, include from the crucifixion, specifically, more pieces of the cross it's spread across.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: The crown of thorns.

Cristina: His crown of thorn.

Jack: They have. They have it specifically the people on the mountain. No, no, no. Oh, this is just around the world.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The Holy Lands used to poke him on the side and pierce him when he was on the cross.

Cristina: Okay, but you don't know who has these. No, no, you just know they exist.

Jack: Yeah, they're. They're all it was. They're scattered. It's irrelevant. Random places, just people. Got it. But the interesting one opposite to all of these, that there is only one of. It's only one of all of these.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They're like, it's over there. Oh, yeah, it's over. Except the cross. Everybody's like, I got a chunk. Broke it apart, bro. Whatever. But the coat he wore. He wore.

Cristina: He wore a coat.

Jack: The coat he wore? Yeah, the coat he wore right before he was crucified.

Cristina: What coat?

Jack: Some. He's. Some's coat. The holy coat.

Cristina: The holy coat.

Jack: He had a coat.

Cristina: No, he didn't.

Jack: Yeah, he had a coat. Some jacket or something that he was wearing, and then they took it off to whip him. Yeah, yeah, he was. He was. He was wearing some coat. Allegedly. I don't know. Holy people. I don't know, man.

Cristina: But he's the one else's coat.

Jack: Well, that's where it gets weird. Specifically this one thing that nobody ever believed happened because nobody knows why the story just arose without it being in the Bible. It's not in the Bible. He didn't have a coat. It's got mentioned that he had a coat from something and it went down through history, trickled down for 2,000 years. That's right.

Cristina: Even though it's not in the Bible.

Jack: It's not in the Bible. Was trickled down. But apparently he had a Code. And people knew he had a code. It was famous code or whatever. Coat. He's super Aussie. Maybe he was. Maybe was known for his coats, you.

Cristina: Know, but it wasn't in the Bible.

Jack: Was in the Bible.

Cristina: But this coat, everyone has it.

Jack: Everybody has this coat. And that's a really.

Cristina: Pieces of the coat.

Jack: No, no, no, they have the coat. Many, many people believe they have the coat.

Cristina: The coat.

Jack: The coat, yes.

Cristina: Do you have any idea what this coat looks like?

Jack: It's just a flat little brown, like looks. It looks crappy.

Cristina: Okay. And they all look the same. Like, did you see it in all these places that say, oh, I have it.

Jack: Yeah, it looks the same. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Why? Why?

Jack: The one similarity is that all these places claim that the trickle down from them happened where they were. That this person had a vision of Jesus as he was on the cross or right before he was on the cross. And when Jesus disappeared from the vision, the coat got left behind. Is always a story.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Everybody f****** has one.

Cristina: Oh, so they're. None of those are the real coats? They're vision coats?

Jack: Well, they called it a vision. But like, was Jesus there if he's leaving a coat behind?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But he's everywhere.

Cristina: Yeah, I mean, he's magic, right? I don't know.

Jack: So he's simultaneously at all these places. Because these are all people claiming like.

Cristina: None of them have the original coat. They have. They have the coat.

Jack: They have a coat.

Cristina: Yeah, they have a coat. And it came from a vision. Like, I'm sure. I don't know. Sounds so dumb.

Jack: So out of all the items, I think most of these are just bullshit items. This is s*** that he interacted with. No significance, no power. I think the one item to look at is actually this one that everybody ignores. What the holy coat. I think that's an item that might truly have some magical significance to it.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because he left one everywhere simultaneously.

Cristina: Was it simultaneously, it was a vision.

Jack: Right before he went to get crucified?

Cristina: No, like it happened that time.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That those people receiving.

Jack: Oh, s***.

Cristina: Or is it in the future after that happened that they get the vision of that? Like. What do you mean?

Jack: Yeah, I know that the vision was of that moment.

Cristina: Yeah. Like. But if I had that vision right now and then I get that cold. Like it doesn't. It's not just one period where all these people got the vision.

Jack: I never even considered that. You think that happens in the Bible? That probably happens all the time. Right. I never thought about that. That when these simultaneous events happen, they could Actually simultaneous. Yeah. It's not actually simultaneous. It could be like. Yeah. You might be talking about the same moment, but you could have had that vision way later. Which is essentially somebody said a story and you had a thought about it at a random moment, and you're like, wow, pictures in my head. A vis. Whoa.

Cristina: Yeah, we can get that coat. Maybe.

Jack: But how do you get the coat? That's the weird part, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If they really believe it. But that's the problem. Why do so many people really believe it?

Cristina: That they got the coat from Jesus.

Jack: Yeah. Like where the. Where the what?

Cristina: I don't know. Because they saw Jesus.

Jack: No, but, like, where did the actual coat. Yes. Whatever. Their explanation for it is fantastic. Sweet.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Where did the actual coat come from? They. They were left with a coat. Like what? Regardless of what crazy story they built around it, they really ended up with a coat. Some anomaly happened.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And they were left with a coat. Weird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it happened many times. Whether it be at the same time. I don't know. Or spread throughout time. But they all had a coat from a vision. From a vision or an ethereal visitor or something. A guy who is there and then wasn't.

Cristina: Like, what's the purpose, though? What's the purpose for Jesus to be doing this?

Jack: Be handing out coats?

Cristina: Right. Yes.

Jack: Okay, so that's the weird one out of the crucifixion. Very strange. And then some of the other relics that have specifically to do with Jesus were from the Last Supper. Would that include a knife from the holy chalice and a knife from the. From the Last Supper and the holy chalice?

Cristina: Oh, the knife doesn't sound as impressive as the chalice where he drank from it.

Jack: He used a knife to cut the bread, I guess.

Cristina: Unless it was to cut his own skin. I don't care. Unless he was cutting his skin and they eat his skin and it was like, whoa, this tastes like bread. That's crazy.

Jack: That would be amazing. Unrelated to the Last Supper or the crucifixion. Tears from when Jesus mourns Lazarus.

Cristina: No. What?

Jack: They saved his tears. How they were ready. How they were ready.

Cristina: Who was there when he cried and gathered up those tears?

Jack: No, let's be real. Let's be real. Do you think Jesus, the super mega, super duper star, had a single moment where there weren't people just trying to grab his spit at any given second? Like, we don't think about it. Yeah, we don't think about it like that. But really, really just a celebrity. He was a super mega celebrity.

Cristina: Very hated both.

Jack: The more love, the more hate, baby. The more love, the more hate. And that's exactly what he was living is a super megastar.

Cristina: Someone was collecting his tears.

Jack: F****** tears, bro.

Cristina: Then someone collected his sperm.

Jack: No, but okay, weirdly enough, a very odd pride of the Catholic church is the fact that they have his circumcised junk.

Cristina: He was circumcised?

Jack: Yeah, because he was a Jew. And they. They kept this foreskin. They're very proud of it.

Cristina: Okay. They have a foreskin? Yeah.

Jack: Good job, guys.

Cristina: Oh, they are creepy.

Jack: So, like, got a baby's foreskin. Air 5, guys. We preserved it and everything. Whoa.

Cristina: They take turn looking at. Okay, whoa. What do they do with it?

Jack: What do they do with what?

Cristina: That thing, the foreskin. Why do they have it? They put it on themselves. They put it on their heads? Yes.

Jack: They lick it once in a while for its power.

Cristina: That's disturbing. Okay, what else do they have? That's so awful?

Jack: All right, weird thing. That's actually at Mount Athos, though.

Cristina: What? Back to the mountain?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The gift of the Meiji.

Cristina: That means nothing to me.

Jack: The three dudes.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Rolled in from seemingly nowhere. I actually tried to find out about these people.

Cristina: Okay, what did you find? Nothing.

Jack: It's. It's hard, weird, and highly obscure.

Cristina: They're kings. They should be known. If they were real.

Jack: Oh, no, no, no, no.

Cristina: If they're real.

Jack: Let me be correct. Let me correct you when I explain that you remember the three kings because you're hearing the warped, more popular version. But it's the three wise men. Most commonly. They are not kings. It is not established anywhere. They are wise men who come from question mark. And the Bible does a really good job job of giving you nothing. They just kind of roll in.

Cristina: Okay, so these three wise men.

Jack: These three wise men, the gifts, the Meiji. They show up. They're just known. These people, these obscure people, they claim their royalty themselves. Allegedly. The magi claim their royalty. That's all that's known. They're some people and they come in. They show up. It is not. It's not said anywhere that they're here to worship this guy. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Cristina: They show up with gifts.

Jack: With gifts. They're not here for a God of any sort. They haven't said that. Maybe they are. Who knows? I'm not sure what's in their head. They didn't. They didn't say it.

Cristina: What did they say?

Jack: They just brought some gifts for the future king.

Cristina: For the future king.

Jack: For the future king. They were there for royalty.

Cristina: Okay, so they saw him as some kind of king, but they weren't really specific on.

Jack: They weren't what that meant. So they gave gold, frankincense and myrrh.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: A lot of people are like, what the h***? Yes, like what, bruh?

Cristina: What's the baby gonna do with that?

Jack: What's the baby gonna do with that? Now this actually has people torn about what? The fact that these three things were given leads to a lot of confusion. First, these three things are on the mountain.

Cristina: Oh, so you're saying.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: Yes. But what is he gonna do with it? What does it mean?

Jack: These three things are on top of the mountain. Sure, with the book.

Jack: Now what the h*** are these three things?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay. Theories, because it's not known.

Cristina: They're telling him where to go. They want him to go up there.

Jack: To go up where?

Cristina: The mountain. They know he's from them.

Jack: No, no, no.

Cristina: They're from. They're not just from the mountain, they're from Atlantis.

Jack: Holy s***. What?

Cristina: The top of the mountain is the portal.

Jack: Wait, no, but these things are kept at top of the mountain now. Yes, these are relics now at top of the mountain.

Cristina: Oh, I thought you meant that those things are found on the mountain.

Jack: No, no, no, these things are currently on the mountain.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They're from the top of the mountain.

Cristina: They're not.

Jack: They're not from the top of mountain, they're on top of.

Cristina: That's why the way you're saying it makes me. Okay, okay.

Jack: They're not on top of the mountain.

Cristina: They're on top of the mountain. Okay, but they're not naturally from the mountain.

Jack: Well, I don't know where these things come from. I mean, just because if they were.

Cristina: Found on top of the mountain, that meant like, hey, we know you're one of us. Here's some gifts.

Jack: Would have been crazy, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Well, no, here's the thing that's heavily speculated. What these things even meant.

Jack: People don't know. So one idea is that they're completely ordinary. They're just things that you would like normally have, you know, just having. What is it? You have gold, which is a commodity. Like it's money, if money. You have myrrh, which is commonly used as an anointing oil, and then frankincense, which is essentially used as a perfume. So like just normal crap, common s***. Yeah, here's some s***. Guys have it. And to us it doesn't make sense because it's so primitive. But to them, it was like, yeah, this is the pristine perfume rock, and this is like money rock. And this is like, you know, there's super primitive.

Cristina: It's not probably enough money to make him rich or anything. It's like, here's some.

Jack: Here's some s***.

Cristina: Here's a dollar.

Jack: We just brought you some gifts, bro.

Cristina: Not much. Okay. Any other theories, though?

Jack: The second. Well, that was one of the most. One of the two more dominant theories, but the more dominant of the two is the spiritual metaphor that they are supposed to signify. Like, gold is to signify that he's a king.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Kings and gold, you know, it's. It's a metaphor.

Cristina: Came there thinking he's the king.

Jack: Yeah. So metaphor. Exactly. Exactly. Frankincense, which is an incense used for rituals very commonly to signify his godliness. You know, you do rituals to deities and whatnot.

Cristina: What's the last one?

Jack: And myrrh, which is an embalming oil. So it's to preserve the dead, is to symbolize death. Plot twist.

Cristina: God of death, which sort of. Because he's there at the gate, letting you in. No, he's not. He's not at the gate. I thought he was. It was John. John's at the gate.

Jack: Who's John?

Cristina: One of the apostles. They were chosen to protect the gate, I think. Or is it his dad? I'm not sure. Is it apostle or his dad?

Jack: Somebody. I mean, we also got St. Patrick over there just running random crap. I don't know how.

Cristina: He's like, Super St. Patrick's Day. I think that's this month. I think that's a week away on Thursday. Happy St Patrick's but yes.

Jack: So we have a gift given to this kid to symbolize death. That's all that weird. I didn't know about that before.

Cristina: I don't know. I mean, we all die, so. So they gave him the circle of life. I don't know.

Jack: The circle of life. Here's some money, here is some incense, and here is some death.

Cristina: I don't know. None of those. It doesn't make sense.

Jack: But those things are kept atop the mountain. Now, what you said blew my mind, though. So are they. If there is some sort of hidden meaning, could the meaning be some attractor? Like what is atop the mountain?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Why can nobody go up there? Are these three elements just naturally up there? Did they come from atop the mountain? Is that what's happening?

Cristina: I thought you meant. I thought that's what you meant. But that's not what you meant. But that would have been so cool, man, if they were what? Or maybe they're natural in Atlantic, because we don't really know much about that.

Jack: We don't know what elements were there naturally.

Cristina: No. Is there any way to find out?

Jack: No. So that was just random. Random bits of things that have been out there, you know, just relics here and there. And so trying to. My idea was trying to connect, like how, how. How do all these dots cross? I find that Jesus is at the center of a lot of things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Even when we ran through Adrenochrome, it kind of just casually cruised right through him. Just everything we do leads back to Jesus. I was like, okay, we have many problems like this, right? So here's just a couple of lists, just me brainstorming, trying to figure out really what's going on.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Okay. First, what are all the ancients like, the advanced civilizations? What were they avoiding? You know, what are. What future situation is it that they're dodging? Is it that they're trying to get away from? Some go underwater, some go underground, some go into space. But they're all leaving the surface of the Earth.

Cristina: But they're going underwater. You mean just they're.

Jack: They're. Yeah, they're leaving the. The, the. Yeah.

Cristina: Safer to be underwater than on the ground.

Jack: It's safer to be underground than on the ground.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What is it that they're all running from? So I wanted to answer that question. I just started crossing some lines. So random things. This is just lists I have of things. So things that are consistently tangled. If we have one, we'll have two or three or four. Sometimes all of them show up. That's Adrenochrome.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Christianity. Usually leading back to Jesus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Mount Athos, which is the most sudden thing that's just there persistently. Atlantis, it was always there, but we never really looked at too hard. The shadow realm, unicorns, which is a weird one that, like, you ignore it don't know. It connects to anything and then it suddenly connects to everything.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Space. Something about all of it has to do with space. Always weird. And the other side of the wall, of the flat earth wall, whatever other dimensional rift, that is that. So these are all characteristics that represent. When we're looking too deep into anything, these things show up. Always one of them, bare minimum. Bare minimum. One of these things shows up. And all of them have shown up many times over and over and over and over and over and over.

Cristina: So how do they relate?

Jack: How do they relate? These are the truths that keep sticking Out. How do they relate to.

Cristina: It's all nonsense. I don't know.

Jack: It sounds like a list of gibberish. Adrenochrome, Christianity, Mount Athos, Atlantis, the Shadow Realm, Unicorns, Space and the other side of the wall. But they do, often without too much effort. One of these shows up.

Cristina: What does the other side of the wall have to do with anything, though?

Jack: Groups of people and. Or philosophies. Atlantis and Christianity. Only two that show themselves.

Cristina: Show themselves?

Jack: Yeah. Only two that represent. On this line, groups of people that consistently show up. The only groups of people that consistently shop are Christianity and Atlantis. Those are really, really, honestly, the only two groups of people that are consistently showing up. Only two we can look at when it comes to consistency. What are locations? We got Mount Athos is a location. The Shadow Realm is a location. Space. And the other side of the wall. That's four. Four different locations.

Cristina: You think they're related?

Jack: No, no. They're just locations.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We have items. At this point, we treat the unicorn like an item because it doesn't seem that the use of a unicorn is as important as having the unicorn's horn. So items. Adrenochrome and alicorn.

Cristina: Not the unicorn.

Jack: Not the unicorn. Because they're using the parts of a unicorn. It doesn't seem like anybody's particularly interested in the unicorn itself.

Cristina: I think it's too hard to capture the unicorn, isn't it?

Jack: So you just get whatever sheds, which I do think must be what's happening.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That would explain how somebody could just walk up and grab it.

Cristina: Because they're too hard.

Jack: It's too hard. So just things. These are this. I just named this list. Things that are tangled.

Cristina: I don't know. Because Atlantis.

Jack: Yeah, we can follow triangle. Yeah, we can follow random trains of thought. Right. So like, adrenochrome directly connects to Jesus because Jesus probably is the first person to create some substantial form of adrenochrome, most likely the first vampire. So we have Jesus Christ through Christianity. They're worshiping that. There's some ritualization happening there, but whatever. Christianity directly tries to suppress Atlantis because of reasons.

Cristina: Because of Mary. If.

Jack: Because of Mary.

Cristina: Maybe she told him to do that. Maybe she's working with them.

Jack: Well, here's the thing. I think Mary was an Atlantean. For real.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: And they think that.

Cristina: Why would she want people to know that.

Jack: That she was an Atlantean? She's got to keep it a secret.

Cristina: Yeah. Why? What if she made some type of deal with the church?

Jack: Like like double agent deal, I guess. Like she's leading the church on.

Cristina: No, I mean, like, she just needs them to keep Atlantis a secret. She's the person that wants Atlantis a secret. It's not the church. They don't care what's a secret or not. Like, they just want all. Every information.

Jack: Do they care? Random thought. It is weird how it's worded that she gets cast from Atlantis.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Well, actually from the Persian Gulf oasis.

Cristina: Yes. But then she's accepted back.

Jack: We don't know that. That's us.

Cristina: Assuming there's no way she made that travel. If she didn't think like, oh, they're gonna take me back.

Jack: Then the question is this lady Mary is pregnant in the Persian Gulf oasis and she is cast out. We're gonna use cast. Very emphasized because I'm gonna talk about this word in a second. And then she crosses into territory that would later become the Christian territory, and then gave birth, waited the entire life cycle, and left to return to the same people she was, quote, cast by. They wanted the baby. The Catholic Church wanted the baby before he was born. Not even the Catholic Catholicism hasn't happened yet. No, the Jews wanted the baby. Somebody knew something.

Cristina: What will become Christianity? You're saying there's a group of people already worshiping? There was a group before Jesus, Yes.

Jack: They.

Cristina: I don't know, which makes sense, because the. The three kings are. Whatever. They're actually the magi or whatever.

Jack: The magi, yeah.

Cristina: There's people who already know beforehand that he was going to be born. So there's going to be a group of people who are worshiping him before he's ever born.

Jack: So my question is, were all the major cultures of the time fighting for who is going to give? Who's going to claim the child of God like this? You're trading something somehow for whatever reason. Because at this point, it seems like, okay, in my mind, highest bidder, who got it, okay, it's gonna go to the people of Bethlehem or whatever, you know, and it's like, whoa, why? What? So secret organization there, Whatever. What's the use? Why was it so important that you get to claim Jesus?

Cristina: Because they saw something special in him. They knew he was the son of God.

Jack: Maybe they all knew. But why was it that these were the people who got the baby instead of those other people who probably wanted him too?

Cristina: Because the deal with Mary.

Jack: I don't think the deal was with Mary, because why would then if she was cast, why would she be allowed back in? I am thinking caste is some Kind of incorrect translation. I think it was a deal between the people of the Persian Gulf oasis with whatever.

Cristina: The secret group that becomes Christianity.

Jack: Yes. I think that's what's happening. Because they took Mary back.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's a logical assumption to make. They took Mary back. That's why she disappeared atop the mountain where the Atlanteans already go. And they're just the people of the Persian Gulf.

Cristina: Voices, like, change all of history about.

Jack: Because he was born where. They were controlling the narrative.

Cristina: Okay. But that's what the Atlantics wanted. They don't want people to know about.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: They're the ones that want to keep the secret.

Jack: It was about getting rid of the need that people would have to find where the child of God was born.

Cristina: Mm. That was the important thing.

Jack: It was to hide Atlantis. She was doing it for Atlantis.

Cristina: Yes. That's too much information. Yeah. It's not that the baby was evil or anything. They just knew it was special. And it's gonna attract people. No, but then why have her leave? Because if she had the baby there, what would have been the difference?

Jack: What would have been the difference? But people already knew, which is what you already said. Maybe people were told. Maybe people would have looked infinitely. And they were avoiding that. They know. Even if we're hiding.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, even if Jesus lived in Atlantis his whole life, people still had visions of Jesus. Would have. Outside of Atlantis.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Because they were already having visions of Jesus before he was born.

Jack: Before he was born.

Cristina: So the only solution was to kick him out. Not really kick him out, but just. He can't be here if he's all, look for him here.

Jack: That is. Holy crap. That's amazing. You had to kick Jesus out in order to stop the attention from coming to Atlantis. People were having. You're totally right. You're totally right. They were having visions about Jesus thousands of years before he was born.

Cristina: That's why they needed to change the whole story. That's why they needed him white. It wasn't like the church was being evil or anything. I mean, they're probably still evil.

Jack: I mean. Yeah.

Cristina: They have infinite power.

Jack: Like, of course. But that wasn't even part of the plan. It was. The church was built around. And obviously that's why it always looks like lies and like there's holes left and right.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because the whole point of the church is an institution to really actually, in fact, the truth. Maybe the church was created by the people of the Persian Gulf oasis. Maybe the church was the original group. We're gonna go hide as Far from here as possible, where nobody's ever gonna find us. You few elite sold that we're going to leave out here. We're going to task you with the only job of making sure nobody ever finds us.

Cristina: That they have their own people on their mountain just hanging out and throwing books on top for some reason.

Jack: Nobody can go up top to the mountain, though.

Cristina: It has to do something with Atlantis. It's not just about the animals. There's something there about Atlantis as well.

Jack: It's weird that they left the area. Usually when you think of biblical things, there's an area of effect that seems to be the important area. So like, if you leave where old school Jehovah used to chill, he probably wouldn't know. And like, he's not gonna go follow you. You know, he affected this one region and that's all he ever affected. Yes, but the people of the Persian Gulf oasis did in fact move after a virgin was pregnant with the child that would then become.

Cristina: You said they moved.

Jack: They moved where? To Atlantis.

Cristina: Oh, was that after? Yeah, that didn't seem related.

Jack: It's. No, I'm not saying it's definitely happened after the fact.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because she left the Persian Gulf oasis.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now, they eventually went into Atlantis and they left people behind with the task of erasing their existence, which then later became the corrupt church. It's just the people who were here doing their job did do their job, but they did their job. You know, generations and generations down the line, this giant institution continues to modernize, morph, and holds on to powers it was given.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Is that essentially what's happening?

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: And then all these artifacts are just again, in an effort to hide. They don't even hide the fact that they're hiding things. They just hide things. They let you know they're hiding things. You just. You're used to them hiding things. You don't really question a lot of it. But they commonly hide things.

Cristina: But they wouldn't say they're hiding a lances.

Jack: No, they're just hiding a bunch of things that could confirm if put together in a perfect picture get made and parts of story be factually confirmed.

Cristina: Okay. See, But I don't think we'll ever find that out.

Jack: That's just random crap that's tangled up together. Yeah. There's also things that seem to be opposites.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: There's. In three different occasions, we have three different things that seem to be opposite. Number one is adrenochrome and alicorn. They somehow seem to Be more or less similar, but also opposite and different in the same ways that they're the same.

Cristina: They might be the same.

Jack: Well, no. One is just a bone and the other one is straight up jacked up, adrenaline filled blood from fear.

Cristina: True.

Jack: Like they're very different.

Cristina: But I think unicorns might come from that other place where the creatures feed.

Jack: Off of adrenochrome or their fairies can hop between both. But it's unknown where they come from.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. That means Atlantis is actually just. Then it's not really located on Earth.

Jack: Well, no, because the problem is that we. Unless we're saying that it's not. If it is a fairy, than Atlantis is magic and those aren't normal people. Like, I guess God was born there for a reason. Like that's essentially, you know, Mount Olympus. You know? Essentially. Yeah, exactly. Would have to be right at that point. If it's magic, then that's Mount Olympus.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: If it's science and no, then yeah, they just made the horse.

Cristina: But maybe, I don't know. It's so complicated when you take. You think about what the other side is and the fairies and everything.

Jack: But it could be because again, the shadow realm is a freaking place and so much crap goes through there.

Cristina: Yes, it comes here and does crap.

Jack: But a unicorn doesn't seem to be in inciting fear and is in particularly peaceful places. In fact, the place that's particularly peaceful of all places. And that's the only place that it's seen. So it's not really using fear to show up.

Cristina: It's crown. It's crown. Horn isn't peaceful. It drives people mad.

Jack: It kind of does. Just the knowledge of it. But I think that's more about. I think that has more to do with human tendency.

Cristina: Are you sure? What if the whole unicorn is feeding off of that madness? How do you know?

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: It might be the most peaceful thing in the world, but like, because it's.

Jack: Sucking, it's like throwing any negativity outward.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Interesting. You think that the horn is making people go mad.

Cristina: Yeah. They want you to find that horn.

Jack: That's an actual fascinating kind of horror version of a unicorn.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That reminds me of that Santa Claus from Love of Death and Robots.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like that idea of like, yeah, it's still just as beautiful and just as majestic, but you're slowly gonna spiral into madness while you're around it.

Cristina: Mm. What if that makes so much sense too though?

Jack: That makes so much sense.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But they, that means they do get it. It is just a horse up to shedding. It is a magic horn. It is a fairy of some sort.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it is shedding these horns that people are picking up. And you could do a lot.

Cristina: You will die.

Jack: You're gonna go crazy. But it takes knowing about it.

Cristina: Take something about. Yeah. Because you don't have to have it to go crazy.

Jack: You just need to know about it.

Cristina: Yeah. Like the people who did have it went crazy and died.

Jack: And people were around it.

Cristina: Yes. Still went crazy.

Jack: The school was hidden.

Cristina: They killed each other.

Jack: No. The people who didn't hear about it. No. If the school was just hidden in a public area and nobody knew that, it was just a secretly study the alicorn.

Cristina: But we don't know how many people in that school died.

Jack: Nobody in the school died. That happened later. They keep in mind they left the school to look for more scholars. They were perfectly fine. They built a school and the school was fine because nobody knew that the alicorn was there. Nothing happened to the people around there. Meanwhile, just word that somewhere across this border that stretches away God knows how many miles, somebody has alicorn. People who were further from the alicorn. Then somebody hearing about it at that very moment was from the school. And the people would go crazy immediately go crazy and go try to get it.

Cristina: Yeah, there's something magical happening.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: There's something other side. Like. I don't know.

Jack: It's really weird. Right.

Cristina: So that it is related somehow.

Jack: Right. They seem, or, I don't know, similar but different. They seem opposite. Like, I don't think they're related in that there's any real connection. They're just very similarly used.

Cristina: I don't know. There's so much like fairies. It's so hard not to see them.

Jack: But then adrenochrome has nothing to do with it. Fairies have nothing to do with adrenochrome.

Cristina: I'm pretty sure they do.

Jack: No, fairies don't need adrenochrome. Fairies travel both sides equally.

Cristina: Yes, but aren't they always, like pranking people and stuff? They're always.

Jack: What does that have to do with adrenochrome?

Cristina: Because they're getting something from people.

Jack: Not all fairies. Some fairies are majestic.

Cristina: I don't know. Are there any fairies like that? I don't know. They all seem dangerous.

Jack: There are very dangerous fairies out there. But there are fairies that are just peaceful. But the other thing that is tied to. To those two things are our realm and the shadow realm. There are many other realms and there are Many dimensions, but they don't connect somehow. The way that the shadow realm specifically connects with our realm. They seem equal, but opposite realm.

Cristina: And their realm, the shadow realm, the shadow room. Yeah. Yes, they are the opposite. I don't know. But they're not. Are they the same thing? I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. The tangled in weird ways. They're layered on top of each other.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then universe one and universe three, obviously opposite, equal something there. Now, people who saw tragedies coming and made measures are the Maya, the Egyptians and the Atlanteans. And they all, for whatever reason, took their different things underground, underwater, into space.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now, why the Mayans and Egyptians also did the thing. If we follow the logic that we just established that the Atlanteans became the Atlanteans after they left the Persian Gulf oasis and established a organization to help suppress the existence of the Atlanteans. So how. The story makes perfect sense. But the Mayans and the Egyptians also fled. What was the point?

Cristina: Maybe they wanted them to. Maybe it wasn't fleet of. They weren't fleeting.

Jack: Fleeing.

Cristina: Fleeing. They weren't fleeing the Atlanteans. They owe them so much. Maybe they told them, get out of here. Not in those words, but, you know.

Jack: But why? For what benefit?

Cristina: I don't know why they wanted to keep themselves a secret. Something must have happened that we don't know. There's a missing piece of why they want to be kept a secret. Even though beforehand there was a point where they were sharing everything with everyone. So something happened, or they saw something that was gonna happen, that they were like, nah, we're not gonna be involved anymore. We gotta be hidden. While they were doing the exact opposite beforehand, before Jesus, pre Jesus, they were sharing everything with everyone.

Jack: And you're saying all three of these people had the same. So the Atlanteans told. Okay, everybody. And that explains all the missing.

Cristina: Yes, because they cared about those. Or not care. I don't know.

Jack: All the people around the equator, many of these people just bloop off the face of the Earth.

Cristina: Yes. The most advanced people, in their eyes, not as advanced as them, but like the ones that they personally advanced.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: They were like, you gotta go away. Because they decided we're not gonna do this with the rest of the world. I don't know why. Why they specifically were like, we're gonna share everything with, then decide. Okay, now let's keep ourselves a secret.

Jack: Yeah. We're just gonna hide it now? What?

Cristina: Isn't that strange?

Jack: It is very Weird. They suddenly change your mind.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Then took only the people they advanced.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then fully vanish and leave behind none of the tech.

Cristina: No. Instead have the Church confuse everyone with exactly what happened.

Jack: Yes. Do effectively and almost every country allow some level of interaction, interacting with their. With their everything, essentially because the Catholic Church seems to somehow get away with interacting with everything. So you change the calendars so that everybody can be on the same schedule and the people know the people at top. You know, we Atlanteans are gonna put people in every possible country. You know, we're going to make sure that here's you with crazy tech blend in. You have the knowledge, you're going to put the seeds and together you're all going to evolve and make the thing happen so that us, as the group of Catholics, that we're going to make and take over and we're going to create this elaborate lie.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: But why? When take our homies.

Cristina: Jesus is our enemy. Especially if they take Mary back. It doesn't seem like.

Jack: It doesn't seem like it. It really seems like it was a privacy situation.

Cristina: But why if they weren't private beforehand.

Jack: They were particularly unprivate. They were sharing with everybody.

Cristina: That's what's confusing.

Jack: Like what happened to the Persian Gulf oasis people of the sea that they fled their home. And again, it's weird that if they gave. This is what I was trying to get to before. If they had the child in the Persian Gulf oasis and the. The land is the Holy Land. They left the Holy Land. Unless some quality about them is what led is there. Are their genetics holy or is the land holy? Did they abandon the Holy Land so that it wouldn't happen again and the next prophet had to come from there? Which is why they believe Muhammad Was Muhammad Iranian by some chance? Like, is he being born in that region? Is it always gonna be in the Persian Gulf oasis where the next prophet is bound born? And so they were okay with like, yeah, whoever wants to claim and claim him, we got the h*** out of there.

Cristina: But what I don't understand, did they get attacked? And who would attack them?

Jack: Who would attack them? Yep.

Cristina: Because I feel like that would be the only solution. Why would you hide yourselves if you're the most advanced thing out there and you're helping everyone advance to your level? Do you just realize, oh, there's someone more dangerous here and it's not the Church? Like it would be easy. Yeah, it would be so easy to point at them and say like they're the villain somehow.

Jack: But no, they Seem to just be part of whatever necessity to see people needed.

Cristina: What are they really scared of? Or who. Who are they really scared? It wasn't Jesus. It was someone.

Jack: Something that wanted Jesus.

Cristina: That wanted.

Jack: No, it wasn't even about Jesus. Getting rid of Jesus was somehow about removing attention.

Cristina: Exactly. For them to hide to a different location.

Jack: Yes. They abandoned the place.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now the question is, did they. Is the land the Holy Land?

Cristina: No, I think they. It was more important that they got out of there than anything.

Jack: No, I know that they got out of there. Do they not care? They could not. They could stop caring about the Holy Land.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Is the idea that they're leaving and the genetics that they have is going to create more Jesuses because that's just what they can do. Or is the next Jesus from the Persian Gulf is the land what's holy? Or was it the Atlanteans? Is the next group of people. They're gonna flourish. But then that never happened. But it could be happening now. It took them millions of years to get where they were. So whoever's there now, the current Iranians would be the people who would eventually rise to power. Because whatever about that will give them prosperity or something, Right?

Cristina: I guess. But why did they leave? That's. I don't know.

Jack: Why did they leave and what did they leave behind? Or did they take it?

Cristina: Did they take it? Like, whoa, What? Who was scaring them? Who was scaring them?

Jack: Were they scared?

Cristina: Were they scared? They had to be.

Jack: Maybe it's part of a plan we don't comprehend somehow. Because why would they? Why would they. It can't be fear. You're the most overpowered thing on this planet.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You easily just reshaped the Earth by creating the Catholic Church. Easily. You're. You're almost. In fact, you could have been already Civilization 1. Who knows? Maybe you're already consuming that level of energy.

Cristina: Maybe this is more about the gods than anything. Or the demigods. If we want to say that. If there's two different gods, remember that the whole thing about one God trying to get to Adam and Eve, maybe. Who are hidden in Atlantic.

Jack: You think that it was like the.

Cristina: They're not hiding from people.

Jack: Get rid of Mary, who has Jesus. Get him out. Then we're gonna all move. We have to hide the portal, the entrance, the gateway to the Garden of Eden.

Cristina: Yes. From that demigod or whoever. That other thing.

Jack: Yes. The once Adam and Eve.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Thicker plot.

Cristina: Yes. Maybe.

Jack: It could be. It could definitely be. We're just spitballing Here, man. I got nothing. This seems right so far.

Cristina: It seems right. Like what else are they gonna be afraid of? No one's advanced as they are. But there is a thing that's scarier than they are.

Jack: Which would have to be actual magic. Because we know bare minimum, whatever's on the other side of the shadow realm is not technology.

Cristina: Whatever it is though, wanted them dead. Maybe. I don't know. I don't know. Why would they care about Adam and Eve that much though? But they're hunting them.

Jack: There must be some real importance. So. So our focus should really be why Adam and Eve. That's the question we should be trying to answer.

Cristina: Because they're prototypes to us.

Jack: Maybe there's something valuable there.

Cristina: Yeah, like if you have the prototypes, you can make more.

Jack: But this is the most.

Cristina: And because you can get rid of us. Like weren't we killed off many times? But then. Then we somehow there's more of us anyway. With like Moses and whatever. Is it Moses? The one with the boat?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Who says their kids populated the earth? What if it was Adam and Eve that repopulated the earth after this?

Jack: Every time.

Cristina: Every time.

Jack: That's their purpose. Every time the apocalypse happens. Do it again.

Cristina: Yeah, could be.

Jack: Could be. And this is weird, but I guess it's accurate because this is like the start of like where they are on based born as always from Atlantis. And where the Messiah is born from is also Atlantis. Is that. Is that the idea here? Like they both come from the sea people? I guess the location doesn't matter because they move. Yes, that's. The location is obscure. The sea people.

Cristina: The sea people aren't even important. I think is the Adam and Eve part is the important part.

Jack: But how are they in charge of protecting Adam and Eve? How is that relevant? How do they connect? They're just technology.

Cristina: More children of Adam and Eve. I don't know.

Jack: Could be.

Cristina: Their duty is to protect the people that will create more of us if something horrible happens. If they do see a future where we stop existing because we. Whatever. Apocalypse because we're attacking each other or whatever. The situation with global warming. Whatever you wanted to say is the end of the world reason they have. They have a restart.

Jack: Holy crap. Dude. Yeah. Yeah, that totally makes sense. 100%. That's why it's. It wasn't just them. And what is underneath the Sphinx? A freaking archive, bro. An archive of what? Of the data from Atlantis. The specs for construction and all the data of the Atlanteans. What's beneath the Mayan structures. Another giant cache of information. Interesting. What is it? Archives. Specifically what? The construction details and all of the records from the Atlanteans. And then these three civilizations, the Atlanteans, the Mayans and the Egyptians, all poof into thin air. All disappeared. All go nowhere. Okay, so they left with a bunch of information. And if they contain Adam and Eve, presumably the information to restart humanity is there.

Cristina: And it's just important information to keep.

Jack: It's important information to keep. You gotta make sure it stays safe. Split it up, make copies of it.

Cristina: Keep it. So once whatever happens to us happens to us, and there's no more us.

Jack: Get somebody, they already have somebody off the planet. Bury somebody in the ground and put one in the water. And the people in the ground. It's not just in the ground. It's digital, too.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So there's all the data. All the data replicated over and over, hidden many different places. You're assuring replication is possible?

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: I think so, too.

Cristina: That makes sense. And also, they're hiding from a demigod, or whatever we want to call him.

Jack: Something that's after them.

Cristina: Yes, from the other side. But I think it's because he wants them. And maybe that's why, because he wants people to worship him.

Jack: He wants to start over with himself as the God.

Cristina: Yeah. So he needs those two to repopulate the Earth after. If he could get rid of us. But he's not gonna get rid of us if he doesn't have them, because then there will be no one to worship him.

Jack: That checks out pretty hard.

Cristina: Yeah. As long as they hide him, I guess we're safe from whatever this thing is.

Jack: And the Catholic Church is the one who are helping the most with that.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. How odd. No, this doesn't make sense somehow. And yet somehow it does.

Jack: Somehow makes perfect sense. Which is weird, but we'll have to pack this another time where we've totally run over time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But definitely.

Cristina: Whoa. I think. I think we got something. We're touching something.

Jack: We're touching something. We made hella progress right now because we collected a lot of information. We had more to work with this time to really, like. Why does a bunch of this look the same? I know. The dots are connecting one way or another. Pretty good picture we're building.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay, so, guys, you can contact us as usual on all socials. Just convopod. That's on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, wherever.

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Jack: Yes. And be sure to tell people about the show. Word of mouth is extremely important, extremely powerful. Scream it into people's faces. Tell them, hey, it's. It's the Rambling Podcast, bro.

Cristina: Yes, this is the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: That's a problem we have. We. Could we classify the things we don't understand is crazy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just right off the bat, they're crazy. They're strange or weird. What they're doing is not normal, I guess. No, it's not. What they're doing is. Even if it's common, we've, like, divided the words normal and common, although they mean relatively the same things.

Cristina: Do you have examples of something common and normal? Yeah, like that. You would say it's one or the other. You're saying.

Jack: No, I'm saying the words used to be the same thing.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But we've divided the words, so even if something is common, we will still think it's not normal. So, for example, in the past, nerds were common but not normal. Now they're common and normal. Yeah, they were always normal, technically speaking.

Cristina: But the rest of the people didn't want to see them as normal.

Jack: Yeah. And that's strange that we would just opt into dividing those words. Every school had nerds.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Everybody knows a nerd. If you don't know a nerd, it's cause you are the f****** nerd.

Cristina: Okay, say that again.

Jack: If you don't know a nerd, it's because you are the f****** nerd.

Cristina: Yes, I think I'm the nerd. No, I think I know the nerds. Oh, man. It's both situations. I don't know.

Jack: You know nerds, and you are a nerd. Wubba dub a dub dub luba.

Cristina: Good night. Good morning.

Jack: Wubba dubba dub dub. Wubba dubba dub dub luba dub.

Cristina: Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

February 11, 2023

Rambling 213: Antonio Dracos Alicorn

February 11, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Are there examples of unicorns being magical? What exactly does acquiring unicorn horns do? And is there a deeper paper trail of the existence of this mysterious merchant? The duo dive deeper into the lore of unicorns and are taken straight to public records where mentions of a familiar merchant steal the show.

+Episode Details

Topics DIscussed:

Topics Discussed:
The Holy Bible
Proof of Unicorn Magic
Mystical Horns
Alicorn Powder
Purifying Tears
Sacred Blood Blood
The Greek Merchant
Russian Turkish War
Mount Athos

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd, baffling ideas. Like how weird it is that you can say Ben before Aflac, the bird from the. The insurance company. Affleck is insurance, right? Yeah, Affleck.

Cristina: No, I'm. Wait, what's his real name?

Jack: Affleck.

Cristina: And the insurance is Aflac. Are you sure? Is it that similar?

Jack: I. I think. Yeah, I think it's pretty close. I think Ben Affleck and Affleck bird might be one in the same. Now that I think about it, that's the same.

Cristina: That Affleck. Affleck. You know, it has an E, but.

Jack: There'S a T there too, right? Ben Affleck. No, it's just Ben Affleck.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, crap. It's closer than I thought. And then it's Insurance.

Cristina: Affleck, Aflac. Affleck. Oh, my God.

Jack: Oh, my God. Ben Affleck.

Cristina: He was a goose all along.

Jack: He was a goose all along.

Cristina: Is that a goose?

Jack: I think so. Yeah. It's either a goose or a duck or something.

Cristina: Looks like a big duck. But.

Jack: But look, the point is this shows about getting down to the bottom of things. And, like, what better way to start than by assuring the listeners that Ben Affleck was a goose all along.

Cristina: No, I think. Is it. I'm so confused.

Jack: It could be a duck. It could be a duck. It could be a duck. I don't, like, have a clear. A visual. Oh, no, that's a duck.

Cristina: That's a duck. Yeah, man.

Jack: There is an actual Ben Affleck. Good times. Internet is always the winner. Nothing wins against the Internet. But.

Cristina: But we were not the only person on to come up with Ben Affleck and Ben Affleck.

Jack: No, it just checks out. It makes sense as a thing. But that being said, we. Not last episode. Because last episode, the random spiral into no man's land that I embarked on happened. But before that episode, we were dealing with unicorns.

Cristina: The last episode wasn't unicorns also. No, no. It was about the world. Okay. Ancient stuff.

Jack: Yeah. I was led there by unicorns.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: But unicorn was not the point of that episode. But two episodes back, unicorns was the point. And I was supposed to jump on the search that I had just done for this for today, for now. But again, I got sidetracked into a bunch of ancient civilizations But I actually did what I said, which was go look. You wanted to know about proof.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Of what things had unicorns done to.

Cristina: Count them as magical.

Jack: To count them as magical.

Cristina: So far, it's just we see them, therefore they're magical. Which makes no sense.

Jack: Well, I have a fascinating, fascinating series of things. And then I have an ancient civilization for you. Another one that happens to have kept enough records to have the mention of unicorn repeatedly.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And such well kept records, in fact, that we can trace people and their movements across the globe if we wanted to. So I did.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You're gonna be blown away by where this goes, but let's start. Let's start.

Cristina: How many of these have to do with virgins?

Jack: I totally ignored the versions route.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Did it pop up a lot?

Jack: But it was almost the same thing. It was starting to get to the point where it was like, this wasn't really thought out. It really just felt like the fantasy of the time, you know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like now, dude, you're like, yeah, I want to get pegged by my chick. But back then it was like, I want my chick to be on a unicorn or get f***** by a unicorn or I don't know, something like that. Okay, but not the point. The unicorn was actually mentioned directly in the Bible.

Cristina: Really? But some other mythical animals too, probably.

Jack: Yes, many other mythical animals. Which then establishes the fact that unicorns were what they were talking about because they weren't being confused by the other things they mentioned with horns. Okay, so they were really just that. But also, fair enough. The Bible has just a bunch of fantasy crap happening everywhere. Yes, but in the book Numbers 23:22 specifically says, God brought them out of Egypt. He hath, as it were, the strength of a unicorn. Interesting.

Cristina: So they're saying unicorns are strong. That's not magical, but magical.

Jack: No, that's just because horses are strong.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Any random horse with a defective skull that has a protrusion from it could still just be equally strong as a horse.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And in the Cheronomy 33:17 mentioned again, his glory is like the fist, the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns. Again, nothing special going on there. Just two instances. But I'll get to the magic.

Cristina: The point is that I found unicorns being mentioned. But in the second one, who are they talking about? Do you have any idea?

Jack: No, I was just looking for mentions of the situation specifically. Like, is there unicorns in this text?

Cristina: Okay, there is.

Jack: Yes. Something really weird that I found the absence of And I looked.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And I looked through all the holes I usually do when I can't find something. Like the dark spots. Not a single shred of unicorns mentioned alongside adrenochrome.

Jack: Which after Harry Potter. Makes perfect sense that somebody would think that up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Nowhere.

Cristina: Nothing about their own blood, though, being used?

Jack: No, no, no. Their blood is used, but it's not adrenochrome.

Cristina: Does it work the same?

Jack: Doesn't seem like it. It has features, but not.

Cristina: It's not the same for sure.

Jack: For sure. So unicorn blood first. It's a thick golden substance.

Cristina: It's cold.

Jack: Interesting thick golden substance. And it's used primarily in potions of sorts. Spell casting potions, specifically, not drinking potions.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's quite often used to create a vessel, a body for disembodied soul. It's how you make a functional homunculus. If you can drag the soul out, you just form the body. They were making a body but not having the soul.

Cristina: Wait, yeah.

Jack: You can make a soul. To put.

Cristina: So then that story of that guy who was selling it to people, was he just saying, like, it could cure you or whatever? That's what people thought. Like, when they drunk it and then, like, they die. Can he jump in? No. I guess. When he dies, can he jump into their bodies?

Jack: No. There needs to be somebody conducting a spell.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: As far as we know, he's like.

Cristina: What if he made a spell? I don't know how.

Jack: Yes. Like, in theory, you could probably create some sort of trap spell. Yes. Yeah, but that would be quite elaborate. Yes, but it's possible. It couldn't be, like, written off as impossible. If we're talking magic as possible, then yes, a trap spell would by default be. And yeah, he could hack somebody's house. He could put lie about what he's giving somebody.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: And then have a link of some sort that allows them to. Yeah, but sure, possible. Definitely. But it's mainly used from a magic standpoint when you're making the body.

Cristina: When you're making a body, you have.

Jack: To make an artificial body. It's not to move somebody.

Cristina: Oh, what? You're making a body?

Jack: You're making a body. That's why I used a homunculus as an example. You're making a body.

Cristina: But how do you make a body?

Jack: With the potion and the magic. It's a spell of sorts.

Cristina: It makes a body.

Jack: You use the potion. Yes. And the other parts of the spell to manifest a body. A body for a soul.

Cristina: Okay, that's weird. What?

Jack: There's probably a spell we can look up and do if you needed to know it on a granular level.

Cristina: No, but it just. Magic equals body. I don't.

Jack: Yeah. It would be like if you started waving a wand over an empty area, and then a bunch of light started to begin, and then it overtook the spot, and then the light fades and.

Cristina: There'S just either horrifying, but okay.

Jack: Yeah. And then you move a soul into it, giving it consciousness.

Cristina: So this spell is, like, ridiculous, because it's not just making you a body, it's also, like, you could put whatever soul you want into that body.

Jack: Yeah, well, it needs to be a soul that doesn't have a body.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Somebody dead.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: So. Yeah, it's overpowered. Unicorn crap is overpowered. The. This is overpowered. It is. If you were to drink the same blood, you would be immortal.

Cristina: Drinking the unicorn's blood will make you immortal?

Jack: Yep. One shot. One shot, you're just mortal.

Cristina: Then why would you even waste your magic on making a body? I guess, like, if you're trying to bring someone back to life. Yeah, I guess. Okay, that makes sense.

Jack: Yes. That is the way that I think that would be most likely. You.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. Because I'm thinking about yourself. Like, why would you do that? If you could just drink the blood and live forever, why would you move into another body now?

Jack: The horn can be used to grant immortality as well, but only as long as you're regularly consuming teas made from the powder. So a potion, Essentially. As long as you're consuming the potion made by Alicorn, you will remain immortal. So it needs to stay in your system and it will keep you immortal.

Cristina: Is that. Somehow I don't get why that would be the option. If you have the option of the blood or the horns, unless you're. I guess it's more reasonable because what if you do want to die? At least you have the option.

Jack: You have the option. While you drink the blood, you're just screwed. Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah. So that kind of makes sense.

Jack: Yeah. Interesting other things about the horn. Holding it gives you infinite energy. As long as you're in contact with it, you are some savage of sorts. It's not even drinking it. This is contact with the horn, Just touching it.

Cristina: I need a horn. What?

Jack: Yeah. Endless stamina. It makes the. Holding. It just holding it makes the holder capable of seeing magic auras. You could tell what beings are magic beings by holding. By being in contact with this. These are abilities just for touching it?

Cristina: Yeah. There's more than One, I guess there's two so far, but is there more?

Jack: Yeah. If you were to drink from the horn, you would cure any ailment. You don't even need alicorn.

Cristina: You just putting something into the horn and then drinking.

Jack: Yeah. Pour water into it and drink the water. The water's been purified.

Cristina: And then you feel better, and then.

Jack: You will heal poisoning or any disease you've gotten.

Cristina: Who's testing all this out?

Jack: This is just stories from history. A lot of them are Greek.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Holding it halts aging as well. Again, the immortality. But not just you won't die, but you won't age either, as long as you're in contact with. You're not aging for that period of time.

Cristina: Okay, so if you just decide to drink the. The blood, you will live forever, but you'll still be aging.

Jack: I'm assuming that with the blood, you've got pure immortality. Like, that's age. And you're not dying while coming in contact with this keeps you young and keeps you like it's. Yeah, it's immortality again, as long as you're touching it. Yeah, but as you stop touching it.

Cristina: You'Re mortal again, undrinking from it. Not drinking from the powder.

Jack: Drinking the powder regularly would keep you from aging for that period of time and will keep you from dying from any natural causes for that time.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Now, teas made and potions made from the horn can heal anything nice. Of course, they provide special abilities of different sorts, depending on who drinks it. That's the closest. Yeah, that's the closest thing to adrenochrome that I could find. But it doesn't seem like anybody becomes dependent on it.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The closest thing to dependency is needing to ritually drink the thing. But again, if you just choose that you want to die, you still have the option. So there's reasons to stop taking it. This specifically, if you drink the powder. Yeah. You actually get eternal youth separate from immortality. So maybe you don't have eternal youth after you drank the blood. Maybe you do just have immortality. There is a difference. Unless it's establishing that there is a difference here between the two things. You can make a tea that will give you mortality, and you can make a tea that will give you youth. While drinking the blood gives you both youth and immortality. And being in contact with it, as long as you're in contact with it gives you both the things.

Cristina: That sounds so complicated that drinking it. You can get different things. But it's like, is it because you're making it differently it's in your body.

Jack: You're touching it in one aspect, it's part of you in the other. Now, something we did not consider, didn't cross my mind last time, is unicorn tears is apparently a thing.

Cristina: What do you mean? Like, people drink unicorn tears?

Jack: Yes. The unicorn tears is the equivalent of drinking unicorn blood. So in theory, you could trap a unicorn.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And drink its tears to acquire the same things you would get from the blood.

Cristina: That is so awful you could sell.

Jack: It if you wanted to. In fact, that is the only other thing I know that has been sold other than alicorn.

Cristina: Someone's selling unicorn tears?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: What is it? A merchant? It's a merchant that travels.

Jack: No, no. There's a whole complex story going on with that. Now, another interesting thing about this tear, which I'm assuming happens with the blood as well, but I'm thinking people are greedy with the blood because it's a one shotter, as opposed to the tears, which you can probably continue to milk. But a single teardrop can. Can heal thousands of people. That's the level of potency it has. You can continue to make from that one thing.

Cristina: That's crazy. How do you even. Like how.

Jack: Now, interesting part about that. There is a town in Greece.

Cristina: That's exactly what I thought you were going to say. Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Called.

Jack: Where is the name of this town?

Cristina: Unicornia.

Jack: Unicornia. It's called Simia or something like that. It's the weirdest name.

Cristina: Smurf. Are they blue?

Jack: Oh, no. Okay, so it was in a poros. There was a. What was I trying to tell you?

Cristina: Something happened in a town in Greece. I don't know.

Jack: What was it we were talking about specifically? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There was a illness going around, and a single teardrop was dropped into a pond, and it healed the. And all the people living off of that water later, attracting some interesting people, which I'll get to in a moment. Let me just go over some of these last details about unicorns. You want specific instances of unicorns being magic outside of their body parts, being used for things?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There have been unicorns. Let's see. They can heal wounds by touching it with their horn. People have gone into the woods seeking what they have referred to as the. The. The. The forest spirit, which has been described as a horned horse.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: And they go there to be healed, be touched by its sacred horn. And they come back. The unicorn in all of these instances is one with a spiral horn, not just a pointy one.

Cristina: Are there different types of unicorns?

Jack: Could be. Not entirely sure. Similar to the instance of its tears purifying the water in Poros. There's also a unicorn that would regularly walk over a lake in the Persian Gulf, which, ironically, we just talked about as well, when we were talking about ancient civilizations. And where it would walk would be purified and clear, and people would drink that water and people would use that water to heal.

Cristina: Any mentions of anyone having them as.

Jack: Pets, I did not see anything about that.

Cristina: They all just wild.

Jack: Yeah. Because the other interesting thing, which is what I'm getting to now, is that they seem to be capable of not just being elusive out in the wild and outpacing anything trying to see them, but if they happen to be cornered, they can just disappear in front of you.

Cristina: Then how did people get their blood, their horn?

Jack: It's tricky.

Cristina: That's gotta be really tricky.

Jack: Yeah. You got.

Cristina: Again, it's that rare, a dying unicorn.

Jack: Because they're immortal themselves. If they can just be in front of you and not see you, you have an advantage. It's. It's this rare. It's that level of rarity.

Cristina: I wonder if they can heal their horn, though, like, if these people are.

Jack: I'm sure if you got the horn, you killed the thing. I'm sure. That said, at that point, you're using all of its parts, and we're talking about the effectiveness of all its parts.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Because I don't think you'd be able to take its horn and it be alive and conscious. Now, another interesting thing about unicorns, which again, adds to the elusive. They can walk defying gravity. Unicorn can move vertically as if it were walking on the ground. And almost all the Greek stories have that being the instance of it eluding people. You chase it through the woods, and at some point it just starts becoming a little more vertical, and it just up, up, up, and now just above the trees, and you can't catch it.

Cristina: That's funny.

Jack: Yeah. So it's like if it's not outpacing you on the ground and somehow you kept up. Okay. It'll just alter its degree enough to.

Cristina: That's very interesting to see.

Jack: Yeah. So those are some of. And now every single one of those things I've told you come from a Greek source. All of them.

Cristina: Okay. Different sources or.

Jack: Yeah, different sources. Okay, so let's begin. When we were talking about unicorns, we talked about the merchant.

Cristina: Yes. He's coming back.

Jack: The merchant's coming back. Apparently, my mistake was looking through these more public records that were of people's direct Sighting as opposed to looking through actual documents kept. Because when you go through actual documents kept, this man has been tracked. And people were kind of confused and interested in this man. He's been mentioned and he's been in a lot of places. So let us begin with where the first mention of this guy is.

Cristina: Do we have any of his writing? Did he keep any stories or anything? The pizza fun later on?

Jack: No, he just seems to have been a merchant. I don't know if he was even literate because of which you'll see here. Okay, so the merchant in question has a name and his name is Antonio Dracos.

Cristina: That's a very strange name.

Jack: Translates to dragon. Antonio Dragon.

Cristina: He definitely deals with the dread of. With that type of name.

Jack: Hey, who knows? But let us go to where this starts to matter. It is 1730. This is nine years before we had sightings of him in 1739.

Cristina: How many years?

Jack: Nine years prior to the information I provided last time we talked about this man. So this documentation, all of these are just random records kept by record keepers of different sorts. I don't know the relevance or the importance of any of the records. There was a lot. A lot like I was trying to.

Cristina: You have locations?

Jack: Yes, sometimes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're all happening in Greece. All the records are being in Captain Greece. His movements are tracked because I guess when he returns, he reports his activities. I'm not sure what the case might be. So 19, I mean 1730, Antonio Dracos is given what he was told was unicorn horn at the Jordan river by a Russian man claiming it was from a mountain in Greece. The Russian man handed the horn over prior to his death at the hands of the military. There is no further explanation at what the f***. Why he was being attacked by the military.

Cristina: So this random dude gave the merchant the unicorn that he just uses? Not the unicorn, but the uniform horn that he gives to everyone else.

Jack: Yes. Interesting. Presumably he receives this horn because he's a merchant. And the guy is just like here, there's actually his name, his Russian man named John.

Cristina: John.

Jack: Yeah. I don't know why he was John, but yeah, his name was John. And this Russian man named John was claiming it came from a mountain in Greece, hands it to him and tells him it's the horn of a unicorn. There's no specification if he was told what to do with it or anything.

Cristina: That's so weird. He was just. Well, I mean, who knows? He's just. That's all that they have.

Jack: Yes. And he could not press forward and ask more because the man who provided it, the Russian man, was murdered shortly after by the military. So he couldn't find out, like, what did you hand me and why?

Cristina: Yes, but he figured it out. I'm guessing if he was giving it to people.

Jack: That's unclear.

Cristina: What's unclear?

Jack: Any of this information I provided before, it was all non professional records.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The closest to professional we had was the captain of the ship. The rest of them were just people writing in journals, essentially, old records that somebody retrieved, put away and like somehow successfully matched it to the.

Cristina: He said that he saw him give it to people or he was. Just saw him offering it and he assumed.

Jack: Yes, he made the connection. He didn't. He didn't see any of the of happen.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He like, definitely saw situations that were suspicious and he's like. It seemed like it would be the thing.

Cristina: And these stories, the new stories that are actually the older stories that you're bringing up, he doesn't sell it to anyone.

Jack: You would find out when we arrive at that point.

Cristina: But you just said that he doesn't.

Jack: I said he. I didn't say he doesn't hand it out.

Cristina: Sure.

Jack: Yeah. But anyways, so that happened in 1730. He receives it from a random Russian guy, no idea where it came from, gets told it's from Greece. He's Greek.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: By the way, he's Greek. And. Yeah, okay, fine. So two years go by before this is mentioned again. Mm, weird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: This is like a ridiculous amount of time for you to have something crazy like this. The next mention is 1732. Dracos delivers the horn to a priest, Nicolas Severino Albini. Nicolas Averillo Albini in Poros, Greece, which is one of the people attracted by the lake that was purified by the alleged tears of Anacorn. He was led there because of that.

Cristina: The priest.

Jack: Priest was led to that lake because of that, where Dracos then goes and meets the priest. So the priest has been there for a while. He was drawn to that lake because something odd that happened there. Now, while at that lake, he uses the horn to repurify it. And it works.

Cristina: What does that even mean? Like, how can they tell that it's being purified?

Jack: Well, according to them, yeah, according to them, it was toxic water. It was foggy, it was dirty, it was not safe. And then they touched it with the unicorn horn and it became clear instantaneously.

Cristina: Then he tried to steal it.

Jack: Well, it was definitely an illuminating moment. So now they claim it purified the hot spring. It was A natural spring that was there and it didn't heal this man. But in doing that, because again, he was drawn there by like, this is holy water of some sort, but it never turned out to be holy. While he was there is a priest looking for something related to God and he gets here. And this is a dirty lake that was said to be purified. Well, when the spring is purified, a man named, a bishop actually named Lackavos II was suffering a lot of pain and ill. And the spring fully healed this man according to both Dracos and the priest.

Cristina: Okay, what was he dying from?

Jack: Not dying, but he just had illnesses of the past that are probably easily dealt with with like an aspirin, but back then would just murder you.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So yeah, the following year, 1733, that's.

Cristina: The end of that story.

Jack: This is just random.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Things that show up here and there. Dracos and Albini still hanging out together.

Cristina: It seems cool. Okay. That's what I wanted to know.

Jack: Established a research organization and disguised it as an evangelical school.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The sole purpose was to bring the greatest minds in the world and study the horn, which according to the priest, possessed ability to define nature. That was specifically in a record in quotes. That was direct quote from the priest. Possessed the ability to defy nature was the words that man used.

Cristina: So he thinks it's magical.

Jack: He thinks it's magical. He did not at any moment say it's from God.

Cristina: Yeah, that's what I was about to say.

Jack: Now I respect this priest for not making that conclusion by default.

Cristina: That's so weird that he didn't.

Jack: But that's really weird that he didn't. But it's also weird that he would pull people other than other priests. Yeah, he was already open minded. He was looking for any perspective. What are we looking at?

Cristina: Yeah, but that's just crazy because you would assume he would just connect the dots to God without needing any or. Well, no, it being evil.

Jack: Like religion is a cult today. And religion was a cult surrounding the ideology of Jesus in a specific form. But religion has not always been the case. Isaac Newton was a Catholic. You know, Christians have been some of the most open minded people in the world and the most progressive people in the world. It's the cultists that believe that science is not a gift from God, but rather that despite all your scientific advancements, God is. It's like, no, okay. Everything could have been God, all of it, even the things we've made. So chill. Scientists believe of the old believe that logic.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The Enlightenment era was filled with that idea that, well, how do we supersede the sciences and religions? Well, let's dive headfirst into the philosophies.

Cristina: Okay. And they made a school.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: So explore the. What it could do.

Jack: Yes. They made a school with the intent of attracting the greatest minds, bring them together and in. Just figure this thing out. Now, it's really interesting that this would be happening around the 1730s to 1740s, because 1730s to about 1760s is considered the Enlightenment here. Interesting that this thing would start moving right at the beginning of that bracket. And you'll notice that it cuts it kind of close to the very end that we mark as the end of the Alienman era. Weird coincidence.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The plot thickens now. Two more years go by, man.

Cristina: Okay, yeah.

Jack: Now he's been with his horn for five years.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: 1735 on its way to a study collective along the Russian Turkish border. Word gets out about an object capable of granting immortality. Leaders and the military on either side of the border immediately try to acquire the horn, taking the lives of several of the scholars in the process.

Cristina: Oh, snap.

Jack: Okay, Draco and Albini go on the run. They're still together so far. Nice buddy cop situation going on. Bromance. Yes. I looked into different. Oh, by the way, again, I don't know. These are just records. But weirdly enough, this ties into a lot of real things that happened at the same time.

Cristina: Like what?

Jack: There was a Russian guy named John who was a really important, like, religious figure. The records don't make any attempt to connect the two dots. So it could just. This is probably just a different guy who's Russian named John, but another Russian guy named John. It was another Russian guy named John. Okay, yeah, that was weird coincidence.

Cristina: Was there another guy named Antonio or whatever his name is?

Jack: Dracos. No, that's the only one I found of him. I only found one because I did go. I had the same thought, like, is this being stolen from throughout the world? I only found one priest called Nico. I could confirm his existence. I could confirm. A lot of the stuff here is just how some of this sticks out. And it's like, man, it's totally possible this guy was that guy over there. And like, well, this is just a record. This problem. This guy had to be objective. He couldn't put religion into it. And he just saw a guy who did a thing and whatever recorded it. Meanwhile, that biblical figure over there did the same thing. And it's like this guy recorded an actual record about something in The Bible. It's like, holy crap, dude. So some of that was happening.

Cristina: Okay, yeah, yeah.

Jack: Like solid records about things like that. And like. Yeah. So the. The Russian John, biblical figure.

Cristina: The Russian. Yeah, Named John.

Jack: The Russian named John, biblical figure. Now, not the same guy because it seems like gap.

Cristina: Wait, they're both Russian?

Jack: They're both Russian, yes. But there's a gap between them. Okay, yeah, like the. Basically you look up the Russian John, some sort of bishop, and he was. He died in the. In like 120.

Cristina: So the merchant and the bishop or whatever he is, the priest. Priests are both Russian.

Jack: No, they're Greek. I think I know that. Antonio Dracos is Greek.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, I think Nikolai might be. He was either Irish or something like that.

Cristina: I don't remember. Oh, okay.

Jack: He's just traveling scholars for the most part. So they just met him West Bubba or whatever. Actually, no, he might be himself. Greek. I think they're both Greek. I'm not entirely sure.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: But yeah.

Cristina: So they're on the run.

Jack: Yeah, they go on the run following the. Okay, now again, I'm looking. My point of saying this is that I'm looking, you know, I'm confirming things. I'm trying to make sure that these records aren't just bull crap. And yes, there was a crazy war that happened in between Russia and Turkey. Allegedly a political war that was erupted by an unknown situation directly happening at the border, which in these records happen to have a unicorn horn traveling right down the middle. And then two different sides spaz out and try to attack. So there's actually confirmation that a war broke out about some object. Unclear what it was, object or circumstance. Something happened in between both borders that immediately set things off. They claimed it was all political related.

Cristina: But it could be unicorn or related.

Jack: Yeah. Because this thing lines up perfectly in official records.

Cristina: Mm What? How far does their story go?

Jack: We will find out as it progresses.

Cristina: But like, it's a long story.

Jack: It's a story.

Cristina: Now.

Jack: It was last time we hear from them in 1735. Now it is 1739. This is where we had our first note from the people that I provided as sources last time. Like, because we saw him from 1739.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To 1741 in three countries touching each other. Now we've just been traveling all over the place. Russia, Turkey.

Cristina: We were in Greece, but they're all still. Those are relatively close.

Jack: Just farther than we traveled before. But now he also has a lot more time to get from one place to another, because we're talking 10 years from one point to another. Yeah, so there's that. This makes a lot more sense. But 1739, Albini is killed.

Cristina: Which one's Albini?

Jack: He is the priest.

Cristina: Priest. Okay.

Jack: And the horn is believe lost, ending a great conflict that had begun between Russia and Turkey, of course, which literally ended around that point. Confirmable both in this unrelated record and in the actual records of war.

Cristina: But that's weird because there's still a guy with a unicorn horn. Like, why did they stop? Did they think when they killed that.

Jack: Guy disappeared, they couldn't find it?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It just. Poof.

Cristina: That's crazy. Okay.

Jack: Yes. 1740. This is the second time we see him. While hiding out in the island of Chios in Greece, Drakos meets a man named John. A different man named John claims to have come in contact with a unicorn horn ages ago. Warns Drakos that simply touching it has drastically affected his life. Now, this was unclear if he meant him touching it or you touching it has affected your life.

Cristina: Now it sounds like time travel.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: I don't know if it's somehow the same guy you mentioned. Like, the dead coming back and stuff. Like. Is this John? Did he come back?

Jack: No, this is. He knew John.

Cristina: This John, though.

Jack: Yeah. This isn't the Russian John.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Some other guy who's experienced weird things with the unicorn.

Jack: Yes. He says it's been a long time. Like ages ago, I experienced an encounter with a unicorn horn. You've messed up.

Cristina: But how? He doesn't explain what?

Jack: No, these are just almost like blurbs, essentially. Record keeping was whack back then, but then again, this was also the most advanced level of recording.

Cristina: This would be the closest to, like, it can do bad. It could be similar to adrenochrome, but.

Jack: Yeah, totally didn't specify any of that. Yeah, some weird middle ground, essentially. But we go then a little farther. So he meets a guy named John. And this guy named John, direct, straight, goes to the residence of a theologian and philosopher, Vilkentios de Mados. There he meets a carpenter as well, who went by the name of Harrison.

Cristina: Okay, I thought you say John again, but okay.

Jack: No. So we got the models and we.

Cristina: Have Harrison Carpenter and a what again?

Jack: A carpenter. And the other one is a theologian and philosopher. And he meets them there as directed by John, who then saw him with the horn and it's like, you messed up, but okay, you need the next lead. Go that way. That's where you need to go with this thing now. Okay. There are many people who have Seen unicorn horns at this point. We have the guy who gave it to him. We have the people he's shown it to. Philosophers. Entire collective of people who got together. Yeah. Just trying to study this thing in secrecy without the word getting out. We saw what happened the second. The second the word got out.

Cristina: Countries at war.

Jack: Countries at war. Instantaneously.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So this is an interesting problem. To have to own this thing. That seems to be the real deal.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And not know what to do with it. You can't. Obviously you can't. Just. My. My idea here is Draco's. Keeps wandering with this thing because he doesn't want it to fall into the wrong hands. That's my theory. Because why is he still traveling with this thing?

Cristina: Yes. But he still wants to show it to people too.

Jack: He wants to study it. He hasn't shown it to strangers. He's always taking it to the next person who should see it. Not a stranger.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's always the next individual that should see it. That's somebody who has a different perspective. Somebody who studies things. Somebody who's experienced in some manner, shape, or form related to some manner, shape or form of something they've seen similar. It's weird that no hunters are mentioned in the story or anything of that nature, because that seems like something that would make perfect sense.

Cristina: Yes. I still wonder, like, what was that warning about?

Jack: What was the warning about? That's unclear. This man is like bad luck for you, bro. Alternatively, one of the things you get from touching the horn is you have infinite luck while you're in contact with it. That was actually one of the abilities. Luck. Go gamble while holding that horn. It's going to work out.

Cristina: That's awesome. Okay. I mean, I guess the only. The only real bad luck is people trying to kill you.

Jack: Yeah. Which is happening instantaneously. And they lost many intelligent minds because of their presence around it.

Cristina: Mm. I don't know. It's tricky.

Jack: Interesting problem. Right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So this thing has traveled quite the distance. There's been a million places. And 1950 rolls by after he's met Demon. This is. This is the leap. This is a 10 year jump. The last time we hear from him, he came. He came. It was 1740. We only hear from him. Following the last note is the captain's logs for his ship. And that's only one year after this point. Which means we have no record of him from 1741 to 1750. And then all we have is in 1750, the Draco dies. According to the models, as a result of an experiment conducted on the remaining fragments of the horn. Something.

Cristina: Say that again.

Jack: Dracos dies according to the mottos.

Cristina: Which one's the models?

Jack: The philosopher, theologian. He. As a result of an experiment conducted on the remaining fragments of the horn. What happened in the nine years? Where's the rest of it? Why is it fragmented?

Cristina: Well, he's been testing out that whole time.

Jack: Fair enough. You're thinking this whole time it's just these people and whoever else. Like scientists and philosophers that could get together just working on it quietly telling nobody because it was just too dangerous to have out there.

Cristina: Okay, but what? That doesn't even make sense because it's supposed to keep you alive forever. But somehow he died from it.

Jack: I. Something happened relative to it. We don't know what Draco said it was. Dimato said it was part of an experiment.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it could have might have not been the horn. Maybe he's too much energy shot out of the thing at once and killed him. Who knows? Harrison still with them? The carpenter. Weird.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Takes one third of the remaining fragments back. Actually, no. Takes 2/3 of the remaining fragments back to England and leaves one third for the models. Divides those two thirds he took into two sets. One to remain in England and the other is given to an American named Franklin. Spread between these two countries. Why don't I.

Cristina: What's this Franklin?

Jack: Dunno. Some connection of Harrison.

Cristina: What? It's so random. This carpenter just decides I'm gonna take it. I'm gonna give it to this other guy.

Jack: Been with these two other people and who knows how many others for the last nine years.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He's not just a carpenter.

Cristina: But what is he planning to do? Did they say.

Jack: Now we don't hear from any of these people directly anymore. We have a gap. That record was in 1750, 1810.

Cristina: How many years is that?

Jack: That is 60 years later.

Cristina: Someone's. Okay. What's going on?

Jack: A Greek record written by a macarios claims a man named Euthymius was in possession of a substance similar to one he studied in his youth under a man named Dracos in the early 1950s. And that Euthymius claims he got it from a mountain named Athos.

Cristina: Mountain?

Jack: A mountain named Athos? I confirmed that is a mountain in Greece.

Cristina: Okay, but I thought the original guy got it on a mountain in Russia.

Jack: Then he got on the mountain Greece.

Cristina: The first guy.

Jack: Yes. You are talking about the Russian.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the Russian specifically says he got it from a mountain in Greece.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And now we have another Guy claiming he has shown up with something identical from a mountain in Greece.

Cristina: So unicorns are hanging out on mountaintops?

Jack: Mountaintops in Greece, apparently so. That's weird.

Cristina: That is weird. But it's right, I guess. I mean, that's. If you're gonna find them somewhere like that. Seems like where they like to be.

Jack: Yeah, I guess it would be.

Cristina: We gotta go there.

Jack: Well, I looked up Makarios, and it was either in 1812 or 1813, that man died.

Cristina: Which one's Macario?

Jack: He's the guy who wrote the record.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Oh, no. My bad. I didn't. Makarios was the record writer. The guy who died was Euthemius, the.

Cristina: Guy who went to the mountain.

Jack: The guy who got the unicorn from the. The horn. The horn from the mountain or the material. Whatever. He got the thing from the mountain. He was executed by the church two, three years later.

Cristina: The church.

Jack: The church.

Cristina: Interesting. Yes. And because the unicorn, even if he had some of the unicorn stuff, it doesn't keep you alive forever.

Jack: No. You have to be in contact with it, or you have to drink the unicorn's blood. He did not acquire this horn. He. He was in possession of it. Otherwise he would have been immortal.

Jack: I guess immortality means they could have.

Cristina: Taken away from him and then he stopped being immortal.

Jack: I guess you could still die if you're immortal. My thought is you're just not gonna die of natural causes your age. But, like, I could walk up and shoot you with a gun, right?

Cristina: Yes. I don't know. They aren't really specific.

Jack: It never said they're bulletproof or something, you know, like my blade could not pierce his skin or anything. That was never mentioned.

Cristina: Yeah. There's so far no mention of someone who lived forever.

Jack: Yes. It was always like, you still died from, like, some horrible thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now 1815 is the last record. Mention of this From Greek Records. 1815, a Greek record written by a different man named Aus, claims that he acquired a horn of a horse atop the Mount Athos.

Cristina: Whoa. So he got a unicorn and that was it. That's it. He just mentions it.

Jack: It never gets mentioned again. It looks like that's the last record he ever wrote. He was not old either. He was in his mid-20s.

Cristina: Someone killed him. That has to be the only reason. Because the other guy got to do this whole school. He got on an adventure. He was also killed.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Everyone involved in, you know, like, the guy warned him something bad is gonna happen.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And it's not that the unicorn horn.

Jack: Is gonna do something that's everybody else. It's. You know what it reminds me a lot of. And like, who knows if this was the direct inspiration for this, but it sounds a lot like the ring from Lord of the Rings.

Cristina: Yes. The way they get obsessed with it.

Jack: Yes. There was wars fought over this ring. Like, what. What's our junior. Rolling. That's the name of the lady wrote this. Or the guy who. Whatever. Whoever. No, that's from Harry Potter. Right. J.K. rowling. That's Harry Potter. Well, whoever.

Cristina: The JJR or something.

Jack: Yeah, that guy, whoever wrote this might have been directly inspired. Wait, when? How long ago was that guy?

Cristina: Let's find out.

Jack: Okay, so he was definitely. He was a well informed, studied guy in all areas of mythology and theology. So it's definitely possible that the works of Tolkien were inspired by at least some aspects of Greek writing and record keeping. Because he was into all of it. He was into all of the things.

Cristina: He's into all the things. That's crazy.

Jack: Yeah. So his work is mesh of a lot of things. He definitely saw something that told him about an object everybody was chasing.

Cristina: Yes. What did that. What inspired him for that little part? That's so exact.

Jack: Yes, that's so exact and feels so identical to what we're seeing here of entire countries erupting into chaos entirely because of the mention.

Cristina: Oh, it's. Come on. It's the same story.

Jack: It feels the same. People chasing people through treks across years just looking for the thing. These guys ran away. They were on the move for nine years before they still found them and killed. Like, what?

Cristina: And we don't. And what if the people were also obsessed with it as well? Like he was traveling to meet other people. Were they becoming also obsessed with it? Everyone he brought the horn to also.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Became very involved.

Jack: One of the interesting things about one of those notes is the fact that it didn't just say that they were attacked and went on the run. It said that there were a bunch of philosophers there that died.

Cristina: Whole school was with them.

Jack: Yeah. Everybody started just walking behind the horn.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Everybody who came in contact with it wanted to see it, wanted to touch it, wanted to be around it.

Cristina: They might not have been fighting each other for it because they were sharing it. They weren't like, it doesn't make you that greedy except for if you want it and you're outside of the group. Yes, yes. Those people want it now.

Jack: Weird, weird, weird, weird, weird, weird. Because we have an example, something very similar to this, and this is the fact that a man named Jesus Kept walking around and people just started following him. Little by little we just meet them, give them some sort of quote, enlightenment, unquote. And now these people, regardless of religion, regardless of background, regardless of crime you've committed, people you hate, what side of any war you might be on, you're.

Cristina: Just like, he had uniform blood or something. Like he was also doing magic.

Jack: He was also doing magic. Now again, we. We definitely very sure that he's a vampire. Everything on paper suggests vampire, but there's this one just similarity that's even more similar than adrenochrome. Because people get obsessed with adrenochrome, but uncontrollably. You're gonna be greedy on adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Everybody's greedy on a drainicle. But doesn't seem to be the case if you're around the unicorn horn. No, you guys can share it.

Cristina: Yeah. These guys literally split it three ways.

Jack: And they were all happy to go their separate ways.

Cristina: Yeah. No one. Yeah.

Jack: As long as you have some, you're fine. It's like an addiction, a fix. You need it. Which is actually real similar to adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But these people aren't even drinking it. Being in contact with it takes you to that same place at that same level.

Cristina: Happy with a fragment of it. Like you need a lot of it. You can have the teeniest amount and be like, yeah, this is fine.

Jack: Well, this brings up another point. It just suddenly fragmented in a nine year period. Did people just want a little bit for you? A little bit for you, a little bit for you? Everybody take a piece. It's overpowered. And we'll have infinite power forever if we just take it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Thus the enlightenment. Everybody enlightened.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Had it.

Cristina: Oh, okay then. Layman. Yes, man. Jesus had unicorn blood.

Jack: Jesus was a vampire.

Cristina: He was a vampire, but he was also born from a lady. Like he wasn't just one day. He didn't just. He wasn't born a vampire.

Jack: Yeah. And he definitely wasn't a vampire or powerful anywhere until he was 30 years old. Which means something got to him. It wasn't power he had.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which sounds like vampire. Something bit him. And then he's just always powerful.

Cristina: I don't.

Jack: I mean, we don't know he was bitten. We know he's always powerful. That feels like a vampire. He doesn't need any more of anything. Or he's surviving off of fear, which he's not because he's the peace preacher.

Cristina: Unless he's surviving off a uniform blood. Not even peace. He Just needs to drink it once.

Jack: He just needs to drink it. Fair enough.

Cristina: And then he does her.

Jack: Is that what a vampire is? Somebody who bit somebody after they themselves had unicorn blood? No, because then you still got to drink vampires. Essentially. It. It is, because we know a vampire has. What you're getting is adrenochrome. That is the point. That is the human affliction. You become a vampire, and then when you don't have it, you go feral and become a zombie. So it's literally adrenochrome. Jesus was literally on adrenochrome.

Cristina: He was doing both because he kept.

Jack: He was fixed. He was. He was addicted. He was. He needed to keep gathering more people. And that's where he's getting his source.

Cristina: Yes, for sure.

Jack: So he didn't need unicorns blood. It's similar. And I guess I began wrong by.

Cristina: Saying giving him abilities.

Jack: Maybe the adrenochrome did that.

Cristina: But we don't know what's the limit of that, of those abilities.

Jack: We. There's no limit to adrenochrome. People become literal gods on it.

Cristina: Oh, that's true. Okay. Yes, yes, yes. So he doesn't need.

Jack: There's similarities, but there's. It's different in that you don't need.

Cristina: To consume, but it does help with the whole. Like, how did he get these followers?

Jack: Vampirism and the vampire hypnosis. Why do you want to fix this to Jesus? So hard?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Everything says he's a vampire. Everything assures us we've gone down this road.

Cristina: He's.

Jack: He's definitely a vampire. The first, most likely.

Cristina: But the Church, Are they all vampires? They're not vampires.

Jack: Here's the thing. The Church also seems to be balls deep in adrenochrome. But weirdly enough, one guy is offed by the Church. By the Church. Fun fact. I didn't mention this part because I didn't write those notes. But the last note, 1815. The guy who wrote that note was killed by the Church.

Cristina: What?

Jack: So, yeah, that's why he disappeared, actually.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Come on. Okay. The church at least cares about or doesn't care about it. I mean, they care enough that they don't want anyone to have it.

Jack: Nobody could. Church. That's the goal. Nobody overpowers the Church. Anything that has powers, we hide in some chamber somewhere. Yes, and we know the chamber exists. Like this is public knowledge that it exists.

Cristina: Ah. Are they killing you in a corns off too? Is that why there's no stories of unicorns anymore?

Jack: I Don't know. It's pretty messed up because we know.

Cristina: That they go out and kill other quote unquote, demons.

Jack: They make the creatures.

Cristina: They make the creatures. Oh yeah, that's true. They make the creatures.

Jack: It's a mess. The church is. It seems that like the. The. The. The markers are always the same. We always come back to adrenochrome. We always come back to the church. And right now we found a different.

Cristina: Power source that the church is probably covering up or just getting rid of.

Jack: Yes. Because their way, their usual go to is adrenochrome. It's easily accessible. You can get it from anyone. While the elusive unicorn thing. No. But on the flip side, the unicorn is pure. It seems like once you have it, you're good. Adrenochrome, you always gotta come back.

Cristina: And they want that.

Jack: Yes, there's a. And visually, I guess it also fits the same. Right. One is beautiful, vibrant and gold. The other one's crimson and like, twisted looking. Yeah, you always gotta come back for that fix of the crimson one. But that gold beautiful one that comes from the white steed. No, you're good forever and it helps people without even having to consume it. This one. No, you only help yourself.

Cristina: That's what they're all about.

Jack: Interesting. They are. I guess the opposite of adrenochrome is unicorn blood.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They're similar and different in exactly the right ways to be. Opposites.

Cristina: That's so crazy. We found an opposite to that. You wouldn't think there would be an opposite, but there is.

Jack: And it still bloods.

Cristina: Yes. Well, it's everything.

Jack: Everything.

Cristina: It's the whole horse package.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah. The whole package.

Jack: Yeah. So this is the road I ended up falling down while reading a bunch of. And there were a lot. This is the kind of thing that you just gotta keep typing in the name, every possible combination you can just to see the next thing. I probably missed a lot of records. This is just what I found. We're talking thousands of records from. I mean, millions of records over the course of literal hundreds of years. And I've gotta hope that the names and don't come up with somebody. And again, we're talking Antonio's a common name. Like, that's not an easy search, but.

Cristina: So then you didn't look up anything specific from the church then, besides like this few mentions in the Bible.

Jack: Yeah, because the church doesn't have direct mentions of this at all. The church does quite the effort of making sure they hide it don't. And it seems that those Those early mentions were only left in order to make them seem abstract and detached, not real.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Anyways, that's what I got on unicorn. So there you go. You wanted to know about when are their unicorns being magical?

Cristina: So there is magical unicorns.

Jack: There are magical unicorns. Apparently they seem to exist in exactly the same place, which is Greece, a mountain called Athos. Weirdly enough, the Greeks are the only people who believe that unicorns are real. And they have a consistent, traceable record of encounters with it repeatedly. All of which can be confirmed through other sources. Weird.

Cristina: So it's a thing.

Jack: It's possible unicorns are real. We can't prove it.

Cristina: They've probably all been killed by the church.

Jack: But how does anybody get a hold of a unicorn?

Cristina: They so many people got the horns. Like, what are you talking about?

Jack: Well, we only know in the course of 400 years, four different. Well, actually in the course of three year, 300 years, it was mentioned. No, it wasn't. I guess it wasn't.

Cristina: In that small group of people traveling that was like four horns or three horns.

Jack: It was a hundred years. In the course of a hundred years, that's four horns. Because there's one that was given by the Russian. Yes, that is our main character. Then there is the one that the guy, the random guy John said he'd encountered.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And there's the two that these other people get. We don't know if it's the same horn or if it's two different horns. But the guy that saw the dude get it and the guy, he saw the guy get or not. But that guy was later executed. And the guy who then got a hold of a horn and he himself was executed.

Cristina: Yeah. It'll be more rare if it is still involved with the ones that the other two got.

Jack: Interesting. If it's been the same horn we're talking about. But the problem is the last two said they acquired it at the top of the mountain. On the flip side, they had nothing else of the unicorn. So they were given this. It looks like they're given this and they themselves don't know where it came from.

Cristina: You think unicorns shed or.

Jack: Interesting. I didn't think about that.

Cristina: It's so hard to catch. They can fly away. There's like they got so much abilities.

Jack: Yes. And a lot of the rest of the things involves permanence, but the horn doesn't.

Cristina: So maybe a shed. So maybe a shed.

Jack: Sort of just going up there and acquiring unicorn horns.

Cristina: Interesting. That's awesome.

Jack: So there you go. The possibility of unicorns. Anyways, anyways, if you guys are interested in these kinds of topics, we have an abundance of episodes on mythological creatures of all sorts. We have a bunch of episodes on weird things the church has done in many different instances.

Cristina: Definitely.

Jack: Yeah. There's episodes on all kinds of mythology and monsters and creatures and whatever, Adrenochrome. And we have a prior episode two weeks ago on unicorns. So, like, there's an abundance of places to come back to the source and see how we, like, how we learn.

Cristina: How we end up here.

Jack: Yeah, you guys can find, like, if you're interested in these kind of things and you like this conversation and you want more stuff, you could hit us us up to talk about it on our socials at just Convopod, that's Instagram, Twitter, Tik Tok, all those places.

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Cristina: Yeah. This has been the Rambling Pun podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

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Cristina: Well, aren't they gonna hear it?

Jack: No.

Cristina: The other person has. Wearing headphones.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: That's awful. You're torturing two different people.

Jack: Nobody told them to volunteer.

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January 28, 2023

Rambling 211: Unicorns

January 28, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Are unicorns real? Where do they come from? Can they help us figure out the Santa Clause Problem? The duo unpack Unicorns, their origins, what the truth about them might be and whether or not it would be useful to find one in order to use it to catch santa.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Unicorns
Indus Valley Civilization
Bestiaries
Powers
Greek Civilization
Middle Ages Europe
The Evidence
Magic Horn
Unicorn Powder Merchant
Adrenochrome

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+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Ramblin Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: I'm. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas, which we Every week.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And last week we were talking about giving ideas power. When we give ideas too much power and when we extract. Extract power from ideas as well. Collapsing entire things. Religions and governments and currencies. All things that are powered on sort of the energy, the power, the true magic of imagination. Imagination.

Cristina: Imagination.

Jack: A little rainbow. SpongeBob. Who does that? Right? Imagination. And so a little rainbow shows over my head. I'm gonna put the effects. Nobody can see it but you. But it's gonna be great. I'm gonna do it in post. There's not even video. You're the only one who's gonna see it.

Cristina: Me?

Jack: Yeah, you're gonna see. I don't even know where you're gonna see it because it would require some sort of playback of the. I'll get an artist to draw this moment with the rainbow so everyone can see it. So everyone can see it. Yeah, now everybody could see it. The medium that is accessible to the public.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Anyways, I would. What the h*** was I even saying?

Cristina: That we use too much power to monopoly money.

Jack: Yeah, we do give power to monopoly money. It's crazy, because the power of imagination, man. It's crazy. We do. We. We give these ideas power, and it is absurd that we do that, but sometimes we think that things don't have power and that they are ideas and they are the other way around.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: So in opposite of giving ideas power, sometimes there are things that we just think aren't even things. They're just ideas. We're like, no, that's. That's just imaginary. And this happens pretty often. A real common occurrence in which this happens is aliens. A lot of people just think aliens don't exist.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They just objectively are like, no, that can't happen. Especially like most people who believe in religions.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like the universe was made for us.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so a lot of people do believe that there is no such thing as aliens. That's an imaginary idea to them. And that's. That's great. Whatever. But there's aliens.

Cristina: But there's aliens.

Jack: But there's aliens. We have many of them. So it's not that it's an imaginary idea, but this happens a lot, including things that we ourselves haven't really considered now, we've briefly glossed over, but we've never really deep doven into the mechanics of a unicorn.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, because there's a couple of ideas here, and I'm gonna show you where I began and where I ended with this thought. And it got really confusing and a bit scary at times.

Cristina: Because of the unicorn.

Jack: Because of the unicorn. And I became fascinated by the unicorn because. I don't know, it's an interesting, majestic creature that poses as something simple, is elusive the way like Bigfoot is.

Cristina: Yes. And are you saying people don't.

Jack: But people don't believe in the unicorn.

Cristina: But you're saying it's a thing?

Jack: Unicorn might be a thing.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Well, the unicorn is. Well, before I even get to why it might be a thing, the idea behind this is that the unicorn itself possesses a certain kind of power and ability that it's. You know, it's like Bigfoot. It does disappear. It vanishes. It's elusive. We can't find it. People think that that's just a part of imagination. Because of that, there's no proof. The proof is gone. It ceases to exist. And I found that interesting that we do have this thing like Bigfoot that is there.

Cristina: Like, that's not a thing like Bigfoot, is it? I mean, maybe once upon a time. I don't even know.

Jack: I'm saying that it's elusive the way Bigfoot is.

Cristina: Like. Have there been stories of people seeing unicorns, though? Yes, but not recently.

Jack: Neither have there been stories of Bigfoot recently or aliens recently.

Cristina: I feel like more recent than unicorns, though.

Jack: I think unicorns right before Bigfoot.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yes, I think unicorn. I think bigfoot dominated the 20th century, like 1900s to the 2000s, but the unicorns was, like the 1800s. Maybe. Maybe a little earlier. Yeah, I don't think it was, like, way back. It was back there, but it lasted big, big, big. Still around this time, like, it ended towards the 18, you know, where they were seeing unicorns. I'm not sure where they were seeing unicorns per se, but I can give you some generalizations of to where unicorns were seen. But my interest in the unicorn came in that we've glossed over the unicorn before and haven't really been able to establish what it was. We. We joked about it being perhaps a horse.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: On adrenochrome. Because everything is on adrenochrome, and that just seems pretty obvious. Sometimes it's a small change, sometimes it's a big change.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, Steve still looks like a plain groundhog. Like, sometimes he's just got powers. Or sometimes you go from being a wolf and become some crazy Wetchards looking thing, you know, Werewolf.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like drastically different things. So, yeah, it ranges. So I'm thinking it's that.

Cristina: That's what you think a unicorn is.

Jack: Yeah, I'm thinking the unicorn is that to begin with. Right.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's where my thought begins. I'm like, yeah. But then. Then I go through some stories which I'll tell you all about.

Cristina: How many involve blood?

Jack: Potentially one, but that's the one that matters.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And I don't actually, the potential is the best part here, because I don't think it is blood. And I think this is why we need to catch a unicorn.

Cristina: Of course. Okay.

Jack: Because I pose forward that the unicorn is using fear the way that Santa Claus is, but on an individual scale.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: I am confident of it, but let's go down the rabbit hole.

Cristina: Okay. Honestly, I thought you were gonna say that it's. You think it's an alien?

Jack: I think it's an alien.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think it's some sort of Something figured it out. Something figured it out. I don't know what exactly it is. I just know it has powers. I guess the next step would be to find out if it is what we think. If it's doing what we think it's doing, then what is it?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That would be the next step.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because it hasn't figured out how to do this on a scale like Santa Claus. But I'll show you as we move forward. So let's break apart the basic things we know about a unicorn. Right. A unicorn is usually thought of with a single long horn.

Cristina: Horn. Yeah. And it looks like a horse. And. Looks like a horse, I guess, too.

Jack: It's usually white.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And it's very, very absorbently white.

Cristina: Is that important?

Jack: Well, no, that's how we picture it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's also, again, like I said before, highly elusive, really difficult to see, and they say it's magical.

Cristina: I don't understand. Are there stories that prove that it's magical besides, like, it's elusive? Because that's the same thing with Bigfoot. Like, it's magical because I don't. I don't get it. Like, the whole. It's hard to find proof of equals. It's got to be magical. Like, I don't. I don't see the connection there, but yeah.

Jack: Because what has the unicorn done? Right.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What has the unicorn done? That's magical.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: For anybody to say it's magical.

Cristina: Exactly like the Bigfoot. What has it done?

Jack: Exactly. What has. It's just elusive.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're saying. Well, they're chalking that off. The magic immediately.

Cristina: Yes, that's what it feels like. But is there anything else to it?

Jack: It's like disappearing, right? Oh, it disappeared. It must be magic.

Cristina: Yes. Not that it knows everything around itself and is familiar and where's the best hiding spots and whatever, but. Okay.

Jack: Is there any other detail we know about a unicorn? Is that all of it?

Cristina: That's all I know. That's all I know. I don't think there's anything strange about it.

Jack: Nothing strange.

Cristina: I don't think it's bigger than any horse or smaller than any horse or like, there's nothing special. If you think of Harry Potter, it has silvery blood, but I think that's just a Harry Potter thing.

Jack: Interesting. I like that. That's cool.

Cristina: But that's not real. Is there any stories like that that would be interesting if there are stories like that and Harry Potter was just basing it off of.

Jack: You think Harry Potter would have the intelligence to go do some research on some crap? Well, I think the wonder there was that it was generated from somebody's mind as opposed to like. A lot of that was original. I'm sure it took inspiration from research that was done, but a lot of that was just in, like, original stuff. Although I am not the biggest fan of the entire. Of the Harry Potter world, I do value the level, the quality at which it was crafted. It is impressive. Yes. It's incredibly deep. Harry Potter is its work of genius. I'm just. It's not my thing. I don't like fantasy.

Cristina: You're a hater.

Jack: Yeah, I'm essentially a hater because I don't like fantasy, but I understand the value of it. You go through it. It is some. It is complicated and deep. But as for the unicorn, which Harry Potter has probably one of my favorite iterations of the unicorn. It was like a goth unicorn. The weird dark situation it was involved in because it was still mystical and, like, hidden. Right. It was just Voldemort hunted one down and just drank its blood.

Cristina: We had to keep doing. He has to keep doing that.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: He survives off of the unicorn blood.

Jack: That's crazy, right? The edge of life.

Cristina: Well, very adrenochromey type.

Jack: It is, right? It totally is, bro. He was on adrenochrome. Get the h*** out of here. It was Adrenochrome 100. You can't tell me anything else. He was a wizard on adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's how he became that freaking nature.

Cristina: He changed and everything. Exactly.

Jack: He changed his nose and everything. His face altered. He warped. The way something on adrenochrome would.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So early mentions of the unicorn because, you know, we gotta follow its trail, see where we could find one if it's so elusive. And boy, is it elusive. Aliens, way less elusive. Almost every civilization has some mention of aliens. Usually in the same manner. Saucers and like flying things and things coming from the sky. The same crap over and over and over.

Cristina: It's all UFOs. Yeah, that's the most common.

Jack: Always a hundred percent of it. But not in this case.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: There are so few mentions of the unicorn it is absurd.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Like Jesus, kind of. It's like you got the Bible and then that's it.

Cristina: Yeah. So.

Jack: Well, and see, he's mentioned in the Quran. That's a lie. So he's mentioned the Bible in the Quran. It's like, okay, this is like, way less probable. There's nothing proving this thing is out.

Cristina: Here, the unicorn or Jesus either.

Jack: But there is the. In this valley civilization. Right. This is about 3,000 years before Christ. And they had mentioned in their scripture and in their writing a unicorn. And they mentioned it as a single centered curved horn that went forward and then up at the end. So it wiggled its way, which I've seen iterations of, and I didn't know where that came from. I've seen three different ones. It's the pointy spike, the spirally one, then the wiggly one. Seen all three. And I never really realized I was seeing all three until somebody made a distinction.

Cristina: Were you seeing them on different animals or you were seeing them?

Jack: No, all of them on unicorns, but different iterations of unicorns.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so I thought that was interesting that that distinction was made. And then I remembered, yes, I've seen spiral horns and whatever in different, like, pictures and, you know, shows or movies or paintings or whatever. Except their description of this creature was that it was cow shaped.

Cristina: Cow shaped?

Jack: It was cow shaped.

Cristina: So it was a big boy.

Jack: And it was thought of as a symbol of power. They thought it was a powerful thing because of its size.

Cristina: I guess it's still a unicorn.

Jack: Nah, still a unicorn.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: What's interesting about this is they. Although not many places mentioned that they mentioned it often.

Cristina: They mentioned it, mentioned it often to.

Jack: The point that they would put this creature like it was part of their Normal ecosystem. They would place it on their crests, they would put it on there. It was like their, you know, their national creature, the unicorn.

Cristina: It could be just a mascot, have to be real things.

Jack: Yeah, but it was like the people's mascot essentially.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they, they, you know, they wrote about it all the time, but could be, you know, like that episode of Star Trek. Their entire world revolved around the idea of a dragon. And they just talked about the dragon consistently like, okay, yeah, it makes sense.

Cristina: But there's no dragon.

Jack: Well, there's no dragon. Yeah, it doesn't need to be a dragon. This is a story. But they based off on story. So I'm thinking the unicorn could be that case in this situation that they kind of based so much of their society on the unicorn.

Cristina: Did they have cows though? Like. Yeah, it's described as a cow, but.

Jack: No, they didn't describe it as a cow. They said it was shaped like a cow. But they were fully aware of what a cow was.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And they were fully aware of what a horse was.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This is like a cow shaped cow shaped thing with one single horn. Now what's interesting here is in trying to debunk this, my assumption would be the only cow shaped horned creature would be a rhinoceros. Seems powerful. It's bulky, it's a big boy and it's muscular. It looks like a tank and it's thick skinned. So if they're talking about something that's a symbol for power, I couldn't think of something that I think of more powerful.

Cristina: Where was this place at? Do you know?

Jack: I have no idea where this location.

Cristina: Is because yeah, rhino makes sense.

Jack: Rhinoceros does make sense.

Cristina: All right. I just looked it up. It says that it's in the northwestern regions of South Asia, which is Pakistan and northwest India and eastern Pakistan. I don't know if that's helpful. Here's a picture of a map of it.

Jack: But none of that's the Middle East.

Cristina: Yeah, none of it looks familiar. Yeah, I guess that's Asia. That's the Middle East. Right. Does that make sense?

Jack: No, the Middle east is in Asia. So that's just a corner of is there further away map, a further way map?

Cristina: This is like the only map I find and then it just shows.

Jack: Okay, so then, yeah, it's basically in the Middle East. If it's around Pakistan and India and that kind of region. So that's where the Indus Valley civilization was. And they, they thought of it as.

Cristina: A cow with a horn, there's gotta be rhinos there? No, I don't know.

Jack: There aren't any rhinos there. That's what's weird.

Cristina: If we look at where rhinos are.

Jack: Found, I'm sure it's gonna tell us. Africa.

Cristina: You think that's the only place in the world that has rhinos?

Jack: I. Yes, is my bet. I'm like, 95% positive.

Cristina: Okay. Like, two of them, the species are in Africa, and three are in south and Southeast Asia.

Jack: Holy crap.

Jack: So there are rhinos over there?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So at least close to there. Close enough because that's the Middle East. It's not the Southeast. Yeah, but it's close.

Cristina: So, yeah. It would have been probably rarely seen, but that's why it was so popular, because they never see it.

Jack: Door somewhere that they've never been to had a creature that had a horn and was big and bulky and elusive because they never seen it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And the civilization was perhaps, probably based on the stories of one group who thought that it was common just over the hill. And they were like, what interesting creature? This? That's just over our hill. He's our creature too. We're all the same people. And he's just over the hill, and we've never seen him. He's that elusive.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Hangs out with only the people that are elusive like him over there now.

Cristina: So maybe nothing magical about that.

Jack: Maybe nothing magical about that. And that. That might hold some water to some degree. Except when you consider some of the greatest record keepers of the world, which are two. The Jews are amazing record keepers. They are some of the originators of record keepers. And the Greeks are the other really good record keepers. After they finally began record keeping, obviously, because a lot of the crap that they had was just hearsay. You know, I got a story. I told you the story. You told him the story. They told them the story. And it's like we got a million versions of the same story. Which version do we write down?

Cristina: And are these about unicorns, though?

Jack: Well, they don't actually have. This is what's interesting about the Greeks particularly. They don't have a single mention of a unicorn in their mythology, what I would expect.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: This is where it gets really incredibly weird. The only place that they have unicorns mentioned are in their natural history books. And in their history books. So the natural history books, historians record them, and in just, like, biographies and stuff, people reporting to have seen unicorns.

Cristina: So there are mentions of it.

Jack: There are mentions only of unicorns in real world instances. There are no mythological unicorns in Weird.

Cristina: Yes, weird. They thought of unicorns as actual creatures, not magical creatures.

Jack: Yes, but this. It's not even the magical creatures. They thought of it as a real creature that existed somewhere. Yeah, with them.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Screw the magic. They. They just casually thought this was an everyday thing. Yes, but this is the second civilization that we've come across now. The only people who mention them. Mention them as what? As always present.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Second time. These people straight up just had them in history books.

Cristina: But they look like horses, though.

Jack: Well, they believed that they were about that. Like the first. The horn in the middle, it was freaking huge. It was 28 inches.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: How is it holding that? It's not heavy.

Jack: It could be like bird. Bird bone type. Now known as very jumpy and skittish. That's also why it's elusive, because the moment it sees you, it disappears somewhere. Just runs or magically vanishes or whatever people want to say happened as a result. It's also very agile.

Cristina: This creature sounds cool, but.

Jack: Okay, well, here's the coolest part. Usually it's described as white, but there are also mentions of it being red and black.

Cristina: That does look awesome. Oh, my gosh. I want a red speeding, thin horn creature.

Jack: But it is a horse.

Cristina: It is a horse for sure.

Jack: Yes. It's a magical.

Cristina: For some reason, I was hoping they were foxes, I guess.

Jack: Not magical. They thought of it as a variant of a horse.

Cristina: Of a horse.

Jack: Now here's where it gets tricky. They thought that these things existed in India, and only the historians, good record keepers that went to India, came back saying that these were there, that these were there. Now they know what horses are, and they said it's a horse. But there are rhinoceroses in India, apparently.

Cristina: But that doesn't describe the creatures they described.

Jack: They think it's an. It's a horse. Yeah, the Greeks.

Cristina: But they didn't describe it as a bulky horse, did they?

Jack: No, they did not. It was just. It was definitely just an elegant horse with a horn.

Cristina: That's weird.

Jack: Yes. And they. They knew what a horse was.

Cristina: Was it a camel?

Jack: A camel. Interesting. That's some middle ground.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Between a horse and a cow, if you want, like a bulkier horse.

Cristina: Skittish, you said?

Jack: No, skittish. Gnome. Camels are like paste.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: The opposite of skittish.

Cristina: Okay, describe this creature again.

Jack: Okay. A single 28 inch horn in the center. Jumpy and skittish. Yeah, that's why it's also very elusive. It's agile for the same reason. And it has red, black or white fur. And it is a horse.

Cristina: It's gotta be some type of deer. Were they familiar with deers, though? Okay, if we thought of it, not like a deer from here, but like those other creatures that look very similar.

Jack: To deer or something like that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh. I mean, a gazelle has two horns, but I know what you're thinking about those other ones.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That one of them, I think, does in fact have a single horn. The problem is they're talking horse. The creature that I think you're picturing is significantly smaller, like tiny. It's like baby deer size.

Cristina: Then maybe they were decorating their horses.

Jack: Okay, interesting. Different angle. We know that. Even in which is. No, it couldn't be, because they would know, because Greek themselves used to strap things to their horses.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: So they would know. They would know if it's. They know what a horse looks like.

Cristina: I don't understand. Because, like, if we look at the history, though, of the record of the actual place that they were visiting, what was it? India.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Do they have any unicorn stories?

Jack: The Indians?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Well, no, that. Not that. Well, we do know that dimensions from the Indus Valley civilization is in the Middle east and India's in the Middle East.

Cristina: But does India itself has any stories?

Jack: I don't.

Cristina: This is so natural. Why wouldn't they have the most stories if everyone's pointing there and saying they have unicorns? Wouldn't they have unicorn stories?

Jack: Well, okay, yes. This is what's weird about that. Right. Because of all the locations that do mention unicorns and everybody seems to see it around India, but no, India doesn't have any sort of consistent anything with unicorns. No mention of the unicorn everybody else is seeing there.

Cristina: So they have to have something there that people aren't familiar with. I feel like that's gotta be the solution. Like they've got animals that people just aren't familiar with and they're describing in very strange ways the unicorn.

Jack: They're describing it as a unicorn over. Yeah, it's always the same. Or maybe they're not using the word unicorn, but the description is what we all call the unicorn. Yeah, but that's the thing. We're. Now we're talking that these people are all speaking different languages.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We're using the word unicorn. We're saying this very same description is what they're all saying they're seeing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And if it fits, you know, more than half of it, let's say. Okay, we're. They're talking about what we would call a unicorn.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that's how we're defining this ultimately.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because they're all coming back and saying, there's a one horned white thing over there that's just there and it's weird and impossible to catch and see. It's just there and then it's not there.

Cristina: Then it's not.

Jack: They're all mentioning the same thing.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Now it has to be a real thing, not a real thing, but it's not. It's not a unicorn.

Jack: Well, for a brief period in the Middle Ages in Europe, popping up here and there, you know, sometimes in Spain, sometimes in England, sometimes in France, sometimes in Germany. Germany, you know, it would pop up everywhere. There would be depictions in bestiaries where they show animals of different sorts from regions, you know, real and mythological, sometimes mixed together. And they would show the unicorn. Many of them.

Cristina: Were they all visiting India?

Jack: Well, I'm not entirely sure, but I think they were used actually. I have no idea where. I just know they were showing animals that they have seen or recorded or heard of. Just beast series to gather information. And they were depicted in many beast series throughout all of Europe. Consistently. It wasn't one guy's thing. It was like all over the place. Anybody who had one, for whatever reason, seemed to have a unicorn in there.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And here, though, split down the middle, it was thought of about as much of a goat as it was a horse.

Cristina: I don't understand. So sometimes it was depicted as a goat with a horn and sometimes it.

Jack: Was a horse with a horn. But sometimes it was the middle ground of whatever that would look like with a horn.

Cristina: Middle of a goat and a horse.

Jack: What?

Cristina: What does that mean? What?

Jack: But we start to get into where I immediately went. Huh? I tried to confirm this and you can find a crap ton of these online, really old ones. And you can see the pages and their descriptions and translations to English from what's being said. And without fail, 100% of the time from completely different books from across all of Europe, mentioned in different contexts, but landing at the same idea. Virgins can easily tame the unicorn. Now, I understand fully somebody heard about it, told somebody. But for the first couple of books that seem to have all been begun around the same period of time, there was no way that they simultaneously thought of the same thing at the same time, because it must have been like a five year gap and we're talking the Middle Ages. So it's like, whoa, dude. How?

Cristina: What? That they're all saying virgins contain.

Jack: Yes, they're all talking about unicorns and they're all saying. So they all talked to somebody who mentioned the unicorn in the same exact description and managed to publish a book that also had the same information about a virgin. They all spoke to the same guy.

Cristina: That happened to be a version. I don't know.

Jack: Unless there's a school for people who make bestiaries, and then they get taught the basics. And unicorn happens to be one of the basics.

Cristina: Yeah. He's like. Then that means, like, they all were experimenting, and we're like, okay, let's bring it. Like, how do they end up with the version? How many people did they test out? Like, okay, let's try to get that person to train the unicorn. What is it? Not train it, to tame it. Tame it. Yeah. And no one could do it except for this virgin horse trainer.

Jack: Weird, right? And no, it's not even a tamer. It's just because they're a virgin for whatever reason. Specifically female. A female version, for whatever reason. The unicorn is just submissive.

Cristina: It makes no sense, though.

Jack: Makes no sense. The other mention that I found that fits this same exact description is actually for dragons from the same Europeans in the Middle Ages, mainly from England, which mentioned virgins. Virgins can steal the treasure that a dragon is guarding because the dragon will. I guess it's not stealing. The dragon will just move out of its way. It's. It's collected for the virgin who will one day come and take it.

Cristina: Okay, are these people just fantasizing about versions and how amazing version being a version is?

Jack: I don't know. Because where I went. Again, is that although versions conceal the gold, they always just remained with the dragon.

Cristina: What? That's how those stories end.

Jack: Well, taming the unicorn means what, now? You're always with the unicorn? That's your ride or something? So now they've got proximity to a virgin in both instances. And in both instances, hard to reach and quite majestic. Overpowered. Some things.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That are keeping a virgin nearby.

Cristina: For what?

Jack: Okay, now, if we look at how gods use virgins, right? Sacrifice for blood. Pure blood. The most fear, the most innocent.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh, yes. All the blood and fear I need in one strong dose.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Jehovah's old solution to the problem, as you know.

Cristina: Yes, yes. But why do they. These creatures need it?

Jack: They're not eating these versions, doing anything to these versions. Is this an emergency in case some s*** goes down? They would then, you know, keep the battery around in case I'm running out of electricity, and then, you know, take the battery when I need it. Is that the case is it a. As long as they're around me and they think I'm protecting them, they're gonna fear for themselves, but they're gonna fear for me. And they'll always be to the edge. I always make sure they get to the edge of fear. So I keep the battery close and keep her scared. So somebody's going to hurt her. Yeah, or I'm going to hurt her or something. With the unicorn, you're always in danger, but if you trust me, you'll always be safe. But you're always going to be that close to danger, but you're never going to be hurt, so you're always going to be scared. That adrenaline rush, the good fear.

Cristina: So makes no sense how the version is the key. Is it a woman version for the dragons as well?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is. And also, here's what's weird about this. In both instances, if you're. If you adjust to anything, you're no longer gonna be scared of it because it's your normal. Once something's your norm, it's not. That's the juggle that gods are making with fear. You have to keep it fresh. If it's not fresh, it's not entertaining. We get bored easy. You can't scare us with the same s***. You have to crash the towers, but you also have to threaten us with the bombs. You can't. Not just. You can't just keep hitting towers. We'll be like, it's normal for towers to get hit.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, like, you can't do the same trick over and over and over and over. We'll get bored. Right now, people in Ukraine are like, whatever, dude. They're now beating Russia because they got over the fact that Russians had more power. Now they got so bored, they just walked into the streets and started disarming people. And they're winning. Like, just got bored and stopped being scared. Now. Now what are you going to do? You. You killed the fear in them. Now you're screwed. You can't win. They're not scared anymore.

Cristina: So what do these guys do with these versions?

Jack: I mean, what are they doing? I have no idea. I never found the solution for that. Why are. Well, at least in these stories, I didn't find a solution. I don't know why. I don't know what the point is. It didn't. There wasn't any further explanation. And I tried to find it. It was nothing. It's like you guys just all talked about the same crap in the same way, and it didn't make like you didn't link back to anything. Was this an idea you all had? There's a fascination with virgins.

Cristina: Yeah, for sure.

Jack: I guess always.

Cristina: Always.

Jack: I guess always.

Cristina: Always.

Jack: D***. That's what pedophilia is, isn't it? D***. Is that. I mean when you think about whatever they were throwing like a 10 year old at those things and it was like the grown men, don't get me wrong, the grown men were like 15 year olds who were gonna die like the next week of old age or some s***, you know. But they were still like significantly older than the like 10 year old.

Cristina: Yes. During the 10 year old. And a dragon or the unicorn and who knows how many other mythical creatures that they were like okay, there's a zombie. Let's throw the version and see what happens.

Jack: This is crazy, bro. Basically 1800s, follow me on the street. 1800s. God is angry at us. We're in a drought. Go to the elder, he's been around the longest. He's like 35 years old. Like 40. We're going to be generous and say he's 45 years old. The elder is like 45 years old. They die pretty young. There's nothing, there's no medicine. You just drop. And anytime you catch anything, you're dead.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Anybody who made it any age. Amazing.

Cristina: Got the code. You're dead.

Jack: Yes. You're screwed. So go to the elder. He's like 45 years old. The longest living person there is. Always the elder. He knows the most. Hey elder, we need to solve the rain problem. There's a drought and elder's like this 45 year old. Throw a virgin in the volcano. Now in his eyes, a virgin. The establishment of what a woman is. Hasn't happened yet, right? What year is it? Like 11. 1100s.

Cristina: You said 1800s.

Jack: No, that was exactly. Okay, that was exaggerated. Like the 1800, like the 1100s.

Cristina: Right way back there.

Jack: So we can throw her into the volcano.

Cristina: This 10 year old girl.

Jack: 10 year old girl. Some 45 year old guy is like let's throw her in the volcano because d***, this is the 1800s. This is hard. This is harsh. Can you imagine how savage these 1800s are? This is. This is like a week ago. This is scary, bro. This is too short ago.

Cristina: No, they would just set her on fire, dude.

Jack: Yeah. Oh, fair enough. It was still the 1700s, wasn't it?

Cristina: 17.

Jack: 1700S, yeah. Okay, that was a little further. It's man, it was still too close.

Cristina: Are sure the Salem witch trial things, that was 1700s. 1700s, I'm pretty sure. Late 17.

Jack: I mean, let's check that. Let's confirm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because late 1700s, I mean, I'm thinking like 1777, 1692-3. Yeah, that checks out. I feel like late 17 might have been too. Too soon still. Yeah. 16. Latest 1600s. Yeah, that checks out. That makes sense. Early 17.

Cristina: There's another one though, in the 1878. Does that count?

Jack: Witch trials.

Cristina: A witch trial.

Jack: Oh, a witch trial. I mean, yeah, as laws say, like way ancient in certain places and they take a while to catch up.

Cristina: Burning people.

Jack: Well now that is incredibly weird that they can only be tamed by a virgin. But what's even stranger is that throughout all of. I guess, I guess it's not as weird, but that it's a symbol for Christ. But it kind of makes sense considering that like Old Testament, God was totally into sacrifices.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: He loved virgins and children.

Cristina: Jesus was a virgin. Is he a virgin? I don't know.

Jack: Jesus wasn't a virgin.

Cristina: He wasn't?

Jack: No. But no, he was a symbol for Christ. And the unicorn doesn't have to be a virgin. What do you mean? If the unicorn is a symbol for the unicorn, isn't the virgin here?

Cristina: No, I'm saying is the Christ the virgin?

Jack: No, the unicorn symbolizes Christ. Christ must like virgins.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Which is weird because I'm sure he was banging Magdalene. Like she was far from like. Like, let's be real. Jesus had no game because the one chick he was down with or he was very sexually open minded because the one chick he was down with was known as like the. The block w****. Which is also a lie. Anyway, so whatever. That totally wasn't even mentioned in the Bible like that. That's an exaggeration from people.

Cristina: Mm. He was hanging out with dudes all day. What are you talking about?

Jack: Wear that packages for days. Sausage fests every day, all day, nothing more.

Cristina: He loved that braid.

Jack: Sus mega sus. Mega sus mega sus. Now this Christ unicorn. Nah, not Christ unicorn, but. So the unicorns horn is talked about in these mentions. These three big mentions. Talk about a couple of things that kind of pop up here and there in similar ways. So the unicorn is the source of the magic? The unicorn horn. The horn.

Cristina: They mention magic though.

Jack: Yes. They literally, in some manner, shape or form, mention that whatever makes them unique exists within. In their horn.

Cristina: Right.

Jack: Now I'm using the term magic, but that was only mentioned specifically for the people in the middle. The Middle ages that they mentioned that it was in Fact, a magical creature.

Cristina: Why did they give examples? Besides attracting virgins or whatever. Okay.

Jack: But the magic existed in its. In its horn. And it was also made of a material that they called alicorn.

Cristina: So out of something that it's rare.

Jack: It's like a. An elephant's tusk.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And if extracted, a magical tool could be crafted from it. Maybe a wand didn't describe this tool, anything. It's up to your imagination because it's magical. It's only an example of like a wand.

Cristina: But that's your example or their example.

Jack: That's they know anything you can think of. They mention things like wands, but it's like anything you can think of. And any purpose tool. Now you have a magic version of it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It could also be used for medicine, said to be able to heal anything. And it could be used to create potions.

Cristina: So much of witchy stuff.

Jack: Yes. And when. Now, interesting, interesting point here. With these potions, specifically an alicorn potion, the drinker of the potion would themselves get powers or abilities.

Cristina: What are these? Do they have examples of these powers or abilities? I have to know. What is this magic? They're just saying magic here and there. What?

Jack: Enter the merchant.

Jack: There was a merchant claiming he had obtained some unicorn powder. That is ground alicorn.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And he was reported seeing between the years of 1739 and 1741.

Cristina: Throughout those years, yes. Okay.

Jack: And in the countries of Albania, Bulgaria and Greece.

Cristina: Are those close to each other? Okay.

Jack: Yes, they are.

Cristina: Now what makes this strange?

Jack: Gonna get there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Shop owner Atlas Demos in Greece noted that this nameless merchant with a hood and a glass bottle offered unicorn powder, bought a bowl shortly after offering the powder and left. Interesting guy, pops up, just offers powder, offers unicorn powder. Hooded dude shows up, offers thing, dips. Second guy, Toshkos Toyanova of Bulgaria, he took note of a hooded merchant with a Greek accent. Now it got weird.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because it's a Greek guy with a Greek accent. Was a very specific node the Bulgarian mentioned. He said that a hooded merchant with a Greek accent. And the Greeks already believe that the unicorn is real.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And this guy shows up with a Greek accent and claims to have unicorn. Unicorn powder.

Jack: Weird. But. And he offered him unicorn powder at the town square. He did not buy. It was just offered to him. Finally, Noel Thanasi, the Albanian ship captain.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Who kept extensive notes of what happened on the ship was one of his ways to entertain himself. So he had many, many, many, many records. And because he was a ship captain, he Was usually on a ship with people for hours, a long time. So he got time to see things.

Cristina: So he saw this merchant.

Jack: The Albanian ship captain wrote in his log about a hooded merchant on board.

Cristina: Also with a Greek accent.

Jack: Actually, that's the first thing. Yeah. Who also has a Greek accent. So the merchant, Greek accent. Hood offers unicorn powder.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: On the cruise, on the ship on the right.

Cristina: Wherever they're going, how many people buy it?

Jack: Claims an ill woman on board. This is him on his notes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He claims an ill woman on board the ship drank tea with a bit of the powder sprinkled. Within moments, the woman was, well, okay. This is a captain who sees. He's an experienced guy. He's kept notes. He has many notes. He's been at this for a while. This guy must be old and he's seen all kinds of manners. This is the first time that he's like, what the h***? On his own boat, this guy shows up.

Cristina: The only thing that happens on the.

Jack: Boat, this guy shows up. And out of nowhere he gives this woman a thing. And for the first time in his life, he sees something. He's seen so many strangers come through. It's a shame ship. He's moving people back and forth. All kinds of weird wanderers come through. This is the first time he's like, holy crap, what the h*** am I looking at? The woman gets a tea doom and instantaneously gets better. This guy's like, what? It's like, are you serious? And so he makes a note of this guy. What's up with the Greek merchant? What? What's this? Can't be real, right? He's kidding me. Other ship passengers, shortly after buy and consume the powder a series of different ways. They throw it in their drinks, they throw it in their meals, and they sort of just take part thanking the guy and for several days, just kind of hanging out with the merchant or whatever. The merchant seems real cryptic, real like he's detached according to this guy's. Because he's writing paragraphs and s***, sometimes knowing to go through it. But he's just. He's also rambling a lot of crap that's like unrelated. But he always circles back to how interesting this merchant was. Okay, now, other than the lady for a while, it all seems pretty normal. And he's like, okay, there must have.

Cristina: Been a trick he did there until something.

Jack: With exception for a man. Now, this man claims to had a walking stick his entire life, and he drank the powder and finished the rest of the trip without the walking stick. The man it's important to say that the man only said he showed up with a walking stick. He didn't say he drank the powder. Very important. This is where these notes fall apart. He took note of the man with the walking stick. Yes, that's the right way this goes. He took note of the man with the walking stick. He thinks the man drank the powder because the man finished without the walking stick. But that's the only person he doesn't know whether or not he drank the powder.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, all the people he knows for a fact drank the powder, had no reaction. But the man with the walking stick, who he doesn't know drank the powder, he's assuming drank the powder only because.

Cristina: Of the first lady that got better.

Jack: Because the first lady that got better. His assumption is it's only working on people with severe problems and that maybe this does in fact work.

Cristina: But there's no proof of that.

Jack: But there's no proof of that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's just mentioned in his notes. Now, it's the same guy. We know the guy is real. The guy popped up in different places. It's the same Greek merchant.

Cristina: But also, how's he getting around? Did he do anything weird like he sold the guy the thing, but that was the end of that story.

Jack: Doesn't even say he bought it.

Cristina: Oh, I thought he bought it. No, it was just the second one didn't buy it. But the first one bought it.

Jack: No, he offered the powder and left.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Okay. That's weird.

Jack: I mean, notes weren't great back then. We're talking, like, shredded mentions of something that's like a tiny blurb. Essential. Just somebody was scribbling on a thing.

Cristina: Okay, so he's a traveling salesman.

Jack: What's weird about this is how close together these years are and how far he got as well.

Cristina: How close are those years?

Jack: We're talking 1739 to 1741. That's three years apart. And he traveled three countries quite extensively, quite far apart.

Cristina: You don't think it takes three years? Maybe on a horse or something? Like, he's not walking. I mean, he's on a boat in one of the stories.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Both are pretty fans. Guessing.

Jack: It depends, right? How long could he be? He is on the move. One of those is literally on the move.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Man, I wonder where the ship was headed. Those. I didn't. I did not even bother looking at that. It might have been from one place to the other. These might be way closer connected than we thought. It might have been like he left one of these places. Went to the other.

Cristina: Yeah. Went to the boat and then went to wherever. Well, we don't know if his thing was doing anything.

Jack: We don't know if his thing was doing anything. There's just circumstantial evidence.

Cristina: Yeah. Interesting. This is the only guy recorded selling this powder.

Jack: The only incredibly existing individual. I thought it was very strange that there was a real person who potentially healed people with something he was claiming was unicorn powder and came from a country where they thought unicorns were real to begin with. That they saw in a country that themselves didn't know about unicorns or care about unicorns, but had a rhinoceros that could be described as unicorn. And there's a close enough description.

Cristina: And people do use rhino's horn, right? Like, they do use that like medicine. So, like. Yeah, so it could be the same thing.

Jack: Except the people who think unicorns are real also know what a horse is and think a unicorn is a variant of a horse.

Cristina: But do they know what rhinos are?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Positive.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: The Greeks.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because some of the bestiaries are Greek and they have.

Cristina: They have rhinos.

Jack: They have rhinos and they have unicorns.

Cristina: Okay. I don't know. Because it doesn't make sense. Doesn't make sense. Because their solution was versions contain them. Like, that makes me feel like, well.

Jack: This is where I think the unicorn is doing something similar to what Santa is doing. They're keeping fear as the fuel and they're keeping the battery nearby. So they only need one. They're not trying to be super mega God powered. Usually it's just to be elusive and it could be used for other things when they're not being elusive. But it seems like they're sort of managing what they apply it to. They're not crazy over. Probably they could do all the things at the same time. They still be caught, they can still be killed. So they're doing a small version of it, but somehow they're not. They're not killing, they're not drinking the blood or something.

Cristina: There's no stories of dangerous unicorns doing crazy things.

Jack: Not that I'm aware of, but wow. Definitely something to look into. Ultimately, I think they are somehow tapping into the same power that Santa Claus has figured out. That's my theory. Because they're not, as far as we know, drinking the blood of these virgins, but they're being consistently reported as being tamed by a virgin or keeping a virgin nearby or something related to not being dangerous and being easily seen by and being ridden by virgin.

Cristina: Very strange.

Jack: Now I'm thinking virgin, because innocence. Innocence leads to more fear because lack of experience is usually where the innocence lies.

Cristina: But I still want to know where the magic is, because I still haven't heard anything magical.

Jack: Magical examples of a unicorn. The only. The closest thing to an example of unicorn magic is the potentiality of unicorn flying. But any description of a unicorn flying felt more like they were describing a unicorn that was hopping and sustaining a hop for a long time. So a hovering unicorn at most.

Cristina: That's very strange. Okay.

Jack: Like, it's not going upwards. It's like hopping off a cliff, then making it to the other side.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Now, the size of the cliff could be questionable. Is he's like, oh, I couldn't jump that as a person, but I've seen other horses do it. Or is this horse just so scared it's willing to take the shot?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And, like, makes it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it doesn't seem like there's no credibility there. Like, if he. If they'd mentioned the distance from one cliff to the other, then we.

Cristina: Maybe you can see some magic.

Jack: Exactly. Like, is there a river in between both of them? And this horse hopped off one side and just glides to the other. Clean.

Cristina: Horse goat thing.

Jack: Yeah, horse goat thing. Okay. There is an interesting detail here that does come through the goat side of things.

Cristina: What's that?

Jack: And hold on. This was a long, long time ago. There was an Indian guy who did talk about a magical creek goat.

Cristina: No, he didn't.

Jack: But he talked about it in knowledge of the constellations. So it's a person who was studying the constellations and was talking about a Greek goat. So, like, those lines cross really hard. And that also felt like useless information because he made no mention of a horse or a unicorn. But it is just a goat.

Cristina: It's just a goat.

Jack: It's just a goat. It seems. It doesn't even seem like just a goat. It's a magical goat. And he was a person who was learning the constellations, learning astrology, particularly. He was learning astrology, and he mentions a goat in his writing. He mentions the magical Greek goat, but one. It's not the Indian unicorn goat. It's just the Greek magical magic goat. And he's a person who studies astrology. I'm sure that's a mention of his studies.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Being written back in the 1700s.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So that didn't feel relevant. But if you wanted something about a magical goat. There you go.

Cristina: That doesn't help.

Jack: The only note there that makes sense is that the Greeks see the Unicorn as a horse down there. And then some Indians said there was a magic goat in Greece. That's the only like the two dots that I was like, oh, interesting. But then I was like, this is useless.

Cristina: This is.

Jack: This is a coincidence more than anything.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. I see nothing magical unless attracting versions.

Jack: Is magical, which sounds just like a dude fantasy.

Cristina: Exactly. Yeah. I guess it's magical to men.

Jack: It's magical to men.

Cristina: Yeah. All right. I guess. I guess that's it.

Jack: Yeah, that's. That's what we got on unicorn and I. It's kind of useful to some degree because that means there's a potentiality. There are unicorns. And unicorn doesn't seem particularly magic magical, which tells me that it's a really grounded kind of thing. It's probably really using very little amounts of magic to either sustain its life for really long or maybe do this dumb hover thing.

Cristina: So you think it is an actual creature though, and not just a real animal being confused or something else?

Jack: Well, the possibility is that it's a creature that is on adrenochrome, but it's not doing anything. So that's what you can. We can investigate that and write that off at some point. There's just a creature that isn't on adrenochrome and is also not magic. It's just an elusive normal horse type thing or a rhino type thing or a goat type thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we can write that off if we find out which one it kind of really is, which seems to lean towards horse. Some weird kind of deformed horse or a species of horse that lives in mountains or somewhere that probably has a mist everywhere and looks majestic and people are like, wow, magic. Fun fact. Not here in the notes, but it is a detail that did pop up. You're usually seeing a unicorn standing, looking north when they're motionless. This is the opposite of a dog who poops south. So I guess the dog is also looking north technically.

Cristina: Okay, wait, say that again about the unicorn.

Jack: A unicorn is usually when they're stationary, they're usually aiming north. You can reliably see a unicorn aiming north. So wherever the unicorns is pointing when they stopped is usually north. Which means. That doesn't make any sense. That's one of those things that people just say because like the unicorn has to stop looking somewhere else at some point. It can't always. Like, it's always has to be.

Cristina: It's 100% looking north.

Jack: And yeah, like it has to always be in motion to look anywhere else. What if it's something. What if there's a wall behind it and whatever it needs to eat is against the wall? It can't, because it could only look away from the wall when it's there.

Cristina: That makes it sound sort of magical.

Jack: That makes it look like it lives h***.

Cristina: It lives h***. Yeah. It's in a magical magnet. Yeah.

Jack: That's crazy. So that sounds like bull crap to me.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But anyways, I think we got some information to look into, and we have some details about the unicorn that I think are fascinating.

Cristina: It's potentially that we might have to.

Jack: Research more on, and we might have to tackle this creature. We might have to catch it, because if we could figure out what they're doing, then we can figure out enough power. Then go get Santa. First, we need a version to attract the unicorn.

Cristina: Yes. I get. Wait, are we versions because we're clones? I'm not really sure. But you have a wife, so I'm assuming. Wait, is this version of you married? I don't know.

Jack: This version of me has a.

Cristina: A.

Jack: What was it? A baby with a Bigfoot.

Cristina: Oh, my. Wait.

Jack: Yeah. I got raped by Bigfoot and we had a baby.

Cristina: Oh, yes. That happened.

Jack: That happened. I have a son.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: And the other version of me was married to the cockroach, which also had a child. So there's a. It's the same DNA. So in theory, my DNA. Although I didn't make that baby with that disgusting roach.

Cristina: Are you raising that baby?

Jack: I'm not raising that baby.

Cristina: Are you raising this baby? No.

Jack: No, I'm not raising either.

Cristina: Okay. Okay. So you're definitely not a virgin?

Jack: I'm definitely not a virgin. I can't be the honey.

Cristina: Oh, man.

Jack: Can you be the honey?

Cristina: I guess I could be.

Jack: Yeah. We gotta throw you at the. In the volcano, I guess, to attract the unicorn. I don't know how to attract. We'll figure out how to attract the unicorn.

Cristina: I think we should throw me in.

Jack: A volcano just in case. Maybe it's a. Hey, we could write that one off, you know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I mean, we can make more of us.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: It is what it is.

Cristina: We'll do different things.

Jack: That's fair. Like where you're going with this.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Anyways, so if you guys want to find out more where this goes, I suppose, and about other creatures of which we have extensively gone through, you can find. You can contact us, you can message us on our socials, at Twitter, on Instagram, on TikTok, usconvopod.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate, and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. And then they're like.

Jack: It would be crazy. I don't know. YouTube's full of. I don't believe it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Memers. You know memers be doing memeing.

Cristina: Yes. But it'd be so awesome if that was true. It's hilarious. I don't think I'd rewatch the whole show like that, but, yeah, I would. Just, like, Just curiosity.

Jack: Like old Resident Evil dubs.

Cristina: Yeah. But there's no way, because people love the show, so I can't imagine that they were watching it like that.

Jack: The content is probably better than the conversation and dialogue.

Cristina: Yeah. Actually, what's happening is really interesting. Just the first episode is packed with everything.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. It's f****** awesome.

Cristina: Yep. Everybody watching that so late. The next thing we need to watch that we are so late to is the Tiger King.

Jack: Yeah. Holy s***. I haven't seen that yet. You're right.

Cristina: Yeah. So, yeah, we're behind. Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.in fox art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

November 12, 2022

Rambling 200: The Jersey Devil

November 12, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

What is the origin of the Jersey Devil? What would the Jersey Devil even be? Are there other creatures similar to the Jersey Devil? The Duo unpack one of Jersey’s weirder mythologies, and deep dive into the reality of the matter when it comes to the Jersey Devil and what creatures could have fueled the inception of this tale.

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Topics Discussed:

Weird New Jersey
Benjamin Franklin
Jersey Devil
Mystical Creatures
The Chupacabra
Banshees
Strange Birds
Rare Bats

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October 08, 2022

Rambling 195: Volcano Diving

October 08, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

What is a volcano? Where is a volcano? Who is a volcano? The duo unpack to Volcano or not to Volcano after last week’s episode posed the question of whether volcano diving could be a thing. But the can of worms opened in this investigation is astoundingly new and absurdly familiar, leading to a conclusion no one could have imagined!

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Topics Discussed:

Volcano Diving
Cherufe Volcano Monster
Virgin Sacrifice
Magma Flamingos
Steam Iguanas
How do Volcanoes Work?
Earth’s Skin and Heart
Magma Chamber
Shapeshifters
Volcanic Eco System

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Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: Now, Christina, your other. The host, Christina, listen to me. Last week on Dragon Ball Z, we were talking about the possibility of a person volcano diving. Because they dropped something in a volcano.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah. So I thought it was really interesting and I wanted to know what the possibilities of that were. The possibility of just going inside of a volcano and not dying.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So in doing so, you know, got the team together and we were like, what do we know about volcanoes?

Cristina: They're hot.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, they're definitely hot. But somebody raises their hand and says, well, we can ask the creature we got from there.

Cristina: Getting creature from there.

Jack: Yeah. I don't even remember this ever happening. But there's other. Apparently. I mean, yes, obviously there's other quests and s*** that happen that we're not really like, touching. So there's other crap that has like, it. You gotta understand, to listeners, it sounds like we are exclusively the only ones do it. But no, not really. We're two of quite a few Pokemon trainers.

Cristina: I don't know, like, we're just catching them all.

Jack: No. People who work for in this line of business and are the types of people that we are.

Cristina: We're not enslaving all these creatures though, right? We're.

Jack: We don't. Would require us to give them jobs that they aren't getting paid for.

Cristina: Are they getting paid?

Jack: No. Why would we be paying them? We also don't have. They're not doing labor for what?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: These creatures were testing and experimenting on figuring out what the h*** they are. That is the old. What would we pay them for?

Cristina: We're testing them. We're doing experiments on them.

Jack: Yes. Not like school tests. Can you read?

Cristina: No.

Jack: Like experiments. Yes. They're just creatures. It's like a dog or some s***.

Cristina: If you were to test against their will, though.

Jack: If. Okay, presumably, I guess. But like, let's say you're gonna run an experiment about cancer and you caught a rat and you're gonna use the chemicals you got on the rat. Did you get the rat's permission?

Cristina: No.

Jack: Then what is the problem? What am I missing?

Cristina: Some of these creatures aren't like rats. They're equal to like us, aren't they?

Jack: Right. And this creature is.

Cristina: Which creature?

Jack: The creature. I've not even mentioned. Which is how the point is here. Exactly.

Cristina: Well, I'm just talking about the creatures because you said we have. We talk to many creatures. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: And so we have this creature to communicate with about things that are happening.

Cristina: What's the creature?

Jack: Well, the creature I will get to is a creature that lives in a volcano or used to live in a volcano, which is the point I'm ultimately trying to make. That we have information about what happens inside of a volcano was what I was ultimately trying to circle back to. And that kind of serves the idea. So I didn't really know we had a creature that lived in a volcano. So I kind of immediately stopped giving a s*** about my original plan, which was to find out about the possibilities of living inside of a volcano. Because question answered, yes, things live inside of a volcano.

Cristina: Many things. Does this creature know of other creatures, or is this like one of a race of creatures?

Jack: There's different types of things living on volcanoes, but there's essentially this one creature is called a Sharuf or a. It's a Sharuf, I guess. And so it's. It's kind of like if you were to play Legend of Zelda and you were to go to Death Mountain and there's like, rock people.

Cristina: It's a rock person.

Jack: Well, I said it's kind of like, because it's also a glass person, it's made out of magma rock and, like, glass and stuff, which is all the stuff that exists in a volcano.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so this creature is made out of that stuff. And I was like, okay, so it's weird that we've not talked about this before. I know. We don't get told everything that happens. Like, what would be the point, right? We just do our jobs, they do their jobs, whatever. But, like, that's interesting. And I didn't know about the thing, so we got this thing, and it's just made out of it leaves. It lives in the water part, like the pool. Like the literal lava section of the volcano.

Cristina: In the lava.

Jack: In the lava. Like it. Not in it, but like, it walks. It's. It could swim in it.

Cristina: And what part of the world is this thing from?

Jack: Any volcano.

Cristina: Any volcano.

Jack: It's a volcano creature.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They just exist in volcanoes.

Cristina: But what people spread this story of this creature that they know about.

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: Where did this story come from? This creature.

Jack: This didn't come from the store. This creation come from a story. This creature just. We have it in one of our facilities. And I found out when I Was asking about it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And so we just got this thing sitting there, and it's from the inside of a volcano. I don't. What group of people shared stories of them? I'm sure that, like, there's different, definitely weird things that have happened. For example, it used to scare people in ancient times. And then we've actually sort of talked about this creature in the past without even knowing, because we have heard stories, but the stories aren't necessarily tied to any specific culture over these stories. Well, we're very familiar with the people who take virgins to the mouth of a volcano and throw them in. And that's because that's kind of the only way to stop this creature from leaving the f****** volcano and coming and killing everybody in the town. Because it eats flesh. But if you give it this really potent virgin flesh, it's good for a while.

Cristina: What? That's how it works. Yeah.

Jack: So that actually explains how we had the whole, you know, toss a virgin in there to please the God thing. It's too totally not a God. It's just not a s*** that lives in there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This is a monster of some sort.

Cristina: But they're treating it as a God.

Jack: They didn't know what the f*** it was back then. Now we know, and we just easily captured to the point that it was like some afterthought we never heard about.

Cristina: Does the version have to be a woman? Can it be an animal?

Jack: I haven't the slightest clue.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: I just know that that's kind of where this originally came from. It's. It's also. It's weird. But also there are stories, quote stories of the Sharuf. The Sharuf. And that it creates ardent stones in the volcano, which are what magicians essentially use. You know, the stones you would essentially put the runes on.

Cristina: It makes those.

Jack: It makes stones.

Cristina: Yeah, it makes art and stones. Like, people have found ardent stones. Huh?

Jack: Ardent stones, the ones you would put the runes on.

Cristina: Runes?

Jack: Runes, magical symbols that do power and whatnot.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You would put these runes on top of the ardent stones and. Oh, well, that's where they get magic. So this is how it goes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The rune doesn't have power, It's a symbol. The rock has power. It has energy. The rune controls the power inside the rock.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Where did the people get the runes?

Jack: I. They made them up.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Or space told them. I don't know. How do people come up with stuff? How did magicians come up with the runes that they use magic for? I don't know. They Tested stuff, I guess, like drew things here and there.

Cristina: I thought you said art in stone though, like no art.

Jack: Yeah, but yeah, yeah. So it's, it's magical.

Cristina: Mm. The creature is magical though.

Jack: Well, the creature isn't necessarily magical as much as it is some crazy like thing that eats people.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Again, it's, it's just a creature. Yeah, it's not like some interdimensional thing. It's not a fairy by any means. Didn't come from the shadow realm or anything. It's just like a thing that lives on Earth. That lives on Earth inside the volcano.

Cristina: Not a shadow creature at all.

Jack: Not a shadow creature, just one of those weird things that's here. And it's also not like a chimera.

Cristina: It's not a camera. What does it look like an animal though?

Jack: It looks humanoid. It looks like a, like a humanoid series of rocks and lava and glass. Like put together. An easier way to think about it would be imagine if you made a entire human body out of nothing but lava and then you took a bunch of rock and glass and coated the outer layer of that lava with these rock and glass. And now you have what looks like a bunch of rock and glass moving around with glowing magma between the cracks.

Cristina: That's horrifying.

Jack: So yeah, this is basically what the creature is.

Cristina: Well, it, that is a scary looking creature.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, that's a f****** nuts creature. But what's interesting about the Sharuf is that it's not the only creature living where it lives. And it so, so much, so much stranger than the fact that it's not the only creature that lives where it lives is that the other creatures that live where it lives are absolutely just boring degrees of normal creature.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Normal animal looking or animal behaving creatures.

Jack: It's not even like animal looking or animal behaving, you know, it's literally animals. Real animals, just real animals. For example, there is a flamingo. A flamingo that just chills sometimes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In, around. It's weird. It hangs out in the hottest parts because its skin is absolutely so tough. No way, I swear to you. And so this flamingo is well known for just kind of chilling in volcanoes.

Cristina: We're looking at real flamingos.

Jack: Yeah, flamingos that chill in extremely hot conditions. They, their ridiculously tough skin can hang out in the water that's essentially boiling other crap alive.

Cristina: What, what do they do there?

Jack: They live there. They eat the plants that survive there, the little critters that survive there and all that kind of crap.

Cristina: There are more Than so there's plants that survive.

Jack: I mean everybody knows that there's in magma areas. There's conditions that allow for certain things to come to life.

Cristina: I was not expecting flamingos.

Jack: Yeah. Like I said, it's absolutely weird. It's weirder that they're this normal.

Cristina: That is ridiculously normal. And they're hanging out with this other creature.

Jack: Yes, well, this other creature is literally inside the lava that would melt all of this other.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Like these are just in proximity to the creature.

Cristina: They're never going inside that volcano or anything.

Jack: They can chill kind of in the volcano without going to the lava. Because a lot of these birds just hang out on the rim. Weird.

Cristina: That is so.

Jack: But they're fine. They can handle the heat. It doesn't bother them in the slightest way. What?

Cristina: Wow. But they.

Jack: Look, man, they're just flamingos.

Cristina: They're just flamingos. Yeah.

Jack: But flamingos in general what. Tend to have tough skin and these flamingos have extra tough skin that allows them to survive those conditions.

Cristina: Ridiculous.

Jack: But weird that these. I mean, I guess it's not weird because one of the other creatures is an iguana.

Cristina: That doesn't sound as weird.

Jack: Yeah. When you think about it. Because the iguana actually needs to fight. Well, here's a problem. They're cold blooded and they need the heat.

Cristina: Mm. How's that a problem?

Jack: Well, it's not necessarily a problem. I'm sending cold blooded and they need the heat. That makes them more normal.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To be in a really hot place.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. That makes. That's not crazy.

Jack: It's like all the lizards that live in the desert.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Except this one lives in the desert where there's moisture. So it has both the really hot and the water.

Cristina: But it also hangs out around volcanoes.

Jack: Yeah, this is basically hanging out in a volcano. It hangs out in, in and around the volcano in all the areas that aren't so hot that would bake to death this. Essentially all these creatures would hang out in all these areas that are so hot to kill everything else but not kill them.

Cristina: That is so crazy. The flamingo is still very shocking.

Jack: Well, that's nowhere near as shocking as the weirdest one. Because at least it's a bird. It's a bird. Birds go weird places. Birds go up, up, you know, volcanoes, mountains. Volcanoes are mountains.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: With a whole. Well, not really. But we see them that way.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: You know, and animals see them that way too because it's an uphill that you can avoid. Crap.

Cristina: So what is this? So this Third thing is way more weirder than a flamingo.

Jack: It's a finch.

Cristina: Finch. That's a bird too, isn't it?

Jack: This particular bird, I don't even know how to begin to explain it.

Cristina: Okay, why from all the photos you can pick up this bird, you chose the scariest one.

Jack: It's not the scariest, and I will explain why. Okay, so this ground finch, they have evolved a particular set of characteristics. You could say that in order to supplement their diet, that they would usually get from like a cacti, nectar and pulp and, you know, normal bird stuff. Yeah, yeah. Other birds, eggs and junk like that. In order to supplement that. Because they don't normally find as much stuff up there. They find plants and crap, but they're not getting the exact plants they want because the cactus is going to survive. There's too much moisture. You know, they have developed the ability to pull the nutrients out of blood, so they have become vampiric and kill creatures.

Cristina: I was thinking when I looked at this photo, is it vamp?

Jack: Yeah, it's called the vampire ground finch.

Cristina: Ah.

Jack: And it just chases the blood.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Yeah. Which then makes way more sense how the f****** demon that's down there basically lives there because, yeah, there's s*** literally begging for blood. Here's what's interesting about this.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Why the f*** doesn't this creature turn? And I think it has to do with the fact that in their environment it's normal to die and be attacked. Like the adrenaline they feel when they're dying isn't creating enough to create adrenochrome.

Cristina: You're talking about the bird itself.

Jack: Bird being vampiric. It's killing crap that isn't fearing the way it should fear in order to create adrenochrome that then turns opposite to the wolves drinking the blood of the fallen soldiers who suck were horrified when they were dying.

Cristina: Yeah, or the clouds.

Jack: Yes, exactly. In the case of the bird. Birds attacking other birds, and these birds aren't producing enough adrenaline to then create adrenochrome in the first place. So these birds stay birds and nothing changes.

Cristina: Are you sure? Because it looks so disturbing.

Jack: Well, the question would be. And. And think about this real hard. This is. This is my theory, and this is a. If this theory turns out to be true, then we know significantly less than we thought about adrenochrome and the effects it has on bodies. The theory goes the bird does in fact get the adrenochrome from the bodies of these, but rarely. Once in a blue, there's enough concentration, that works as adrenochrome. And these vampire ground finch then go through the transformation that turns him into a sharif.

Cristina: Wait, what?

Jack: The creature in the volcano.

Cristina: In the volcano is the rare case.

Jack: In which a finch does get the adrenochrome from the blood and goes through a transformation. But then it requires what? It requires more. From who? The people who'd be the most scared. Yeah, the young people, usually females, are more scared because we program that into society. You are weak and fragile and so you feel the most fear. So it makes more sense. The younger and the more female you are, the more adrenal chrome you produce because you have more adrenaline because of the fear in your body.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So then you throw that into the thing, you calm the creature down, it can feed on that for a while. But it came from potentially a bird.

Cristina: That's possible because the creature doesn't have to look like the original creature.

Jack: No, it does not.

Cristina: Does not. And they get smarter with adrenochrome. Right, like this thing. What?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I wish there was some clue though that it was related somehow.

Jack: They seem so astoundingly unrelated.

Cristina: Exactly. Yes. Except for that there's the blood, I guess.

Jack: Yes, exactly. So it's a weird place to be in that. There is a bird that's potentially this rock monster.

Cristina: Whaat?

Jack: This is another way to think about it. Look at how I describe the Sharuf looking. If you were to put magma in the middle and surround it with glass and rock, you get the Sharuf. Now here's what's weird about this. If it is the case, this isn't a bird by any means, it came from a bird. Meaning adrenochrome allows the transformation to take place with things surrounding you, or at least adapting so roughly to the environment that you're in that you can resemble it. So it might simply look like it's made out of magma, rock and glass. But it's still some form of a biological creature like all the other creatures that take adrenochrome. Why would it suddenly become a rock? It's just so different now. The glow, hard to explain, but that doesn't mean anything because we have electric eels that exist and we're giving this creature the ability to become hyper intelligent. And many creatures do literally get magic and other powers. So we're not in a crazy stretch to say that somehow it's glowing and its environment allows it to radiate so hot that itself works like lava. But this is all because of where it lives and taking Trinochrome at the same time. And during the transformation, it takes those factors into consideration. Boom. Which means environmental, environment. The environment in which you're changing. When you take the adrenochrome effects what you turn into.

Cristina: But also, a lot of these creatures seem to choose what they look like sometimes.

Jack: So when has that happened?

Cristina: Like, don't they. I thought one.

Jack: It's always random.

Cristina: It feels like they do it specifically to scare, though.

Jack: And when. What. Who.

Cristina: I tried to think.

Jack: There's no example of that. No creature has chosen anything.

Jack: A lot of them tend to be scary, but that's because they stop taking adrenochrome, go feral, and then do crazy s***.

Cristina: Mmm. I feel like there was something, but I can't remember. I feel like it was related to the werewolves, but I don't know.

Jack: There's a bunch of variants of werewolves, but there's like, the werewolf and the lycan. Those are two different. One is consistently using the adrenochrome, the other one isn't. And then when they pass on, regardless of either or. They would both, in either case become either a wendigo or a wetchudge. The wetchudge being the feral version and the Wendingo being the non pharaoh version.

Cristina: Wouldn't this have a pharaoh and non pharaoh version?

Jack: Well, yes, but we don't know what the non. What the feral version looks like because we just have the one that's been.

Cristina: We just know about one creature.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Lava creature.

Jack: No. In theory. There's more we can find. But it could just be so rare.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That, you know, we'd have to find them. But there is the fact that this is a thing at all that is kind of interesting to begin with.

Cristina: Yes. That there's a bird that's drinking blood.

Jack: Yeah. It's potentially becoming this s***. But this just made me curious about how are there creatures living on volcanoes at all? Like what? Like what?

Cristina: Like why? Well, I guess we know why.

Jack: Because. Survival.

Cristina: Survival.

Jack: Yeah, but how the f***, you know, like, how is this possible? But, like, Jeff Goldblum continues to tell us, nature finds a way. Nature fight. And he's saying it in a movie, too. Nature finds a way. That's his line. That's just what he's known for from now on because it became so iconic before. Nature finds a way.

Cristina: Yes, but.

Jack: So let's break it down. What is a volcano? We got to rationalize this in order to try to understand how things are hanging out there. So let's begin. A volcano is just essentially a hole.

Cristina: It's a hole.

Jack: Right. It's a hole in the ground, specifically on the surface level, that allows passage to the under levels where the magma hangs out and then the magma spews out. And we call it a volcano.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess with the. The gr. The hole is erupting or whatever.

Jack: Yeah. When the hole is spitting like magma and like ash and gas and crap, we're like, that's a volcano. Whatever. But that's the. The volcano is complicated because the volcano is kind of the process, not the thing.

Cristina: Process.

Jack: Yeah. Let me explain. A fissure is where the magma comes from, the ash comes from, the gas comes from. A fisher spits out all the stuff that we look at, and we're like a volcano Fisher. The fisher. It's like a water fisher. You go to, like this, where the water poles and like steam. What is it called? Hot springs. And hot springs tend to have, like, steam fissures.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that's essentially what we're calling where the lava and magma and ash and gas comes from. That's what we look at. We're like, oh, now when we look at a big mountain thing, and we're like, that's a volcano. Well, sort of.

Cristina: Sort of.

Jack: Because what we're looking at that looks like a giant smooth rock outside is just dried lava. That's not a mountain and that's not a volcano. Again, the volcanoes. The process, specifically this is just a part of something that happens.

Cristina: The volcano is not the object.

Jack: No, it's a process. So when you look at the typical drying of a volcano, that's kind of like a flat top and then like a triangle coming out of that. The triangle out of that. We just call that a volcanic cone because that's all lava. The dried dry magma that created that form. Yeah, that's not the volcano. That's just some s*** that dried on during the volcanic process.

Cristina: But there's no volcano then.

Jack: There's no such thing as, like a physical volcano. But also. Yes, because it's the only thing that has the process. So we're calling the collection of these things. It's like an engine isn't a car, A piston isn't a car. The tires aren't a car, the chassis isn't a car. But you kind of put all the things together in a car kind of happens.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Okay, so there's no volcano. There's magma gases, glass, molten rock. There's fissures. There are volcanic cones, but all of these things together are the volcano.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But the fissure alone is just a fissure where magma comes from.

Cristina: Are there fissures without magmas?

Jack: Yeah, there's a bunch of water fish. It's the most common type of fish in the world.

Cristina: Oh, okay. And that just spews out water. Water. Hot water. Yeah. Can lava come out through there eventually or no.

Jack: If a crazy catastrophe happened, broke down everything below that that then allowed magma from way deeper. Although it's the same concept. It's just the magma is coming from deeper.

Cristina: Deeper.

Jack: Yeah. The fissure is coming from the top layer. That's water. Magma is underneath the crust while water sits on top of the crust. Even the water coming up from fissures is really water that's still on top of the crust. It's sea level at most. It has to be because it's f****** water. But it's the same idea. It's underneath the. Underneath the ground and there's enough hot air that's making it bubble and spew up as the air is trying to leave.

Cristina: Okay, that makes sense.

Jack: So the same process takes place during the volcanic eruption. A bunch of the hot gases underneath the magma that's collected into rocks and stuff starts to bubble up. And the pressure, it builds up because it's already hot. The pressure builds up with it, keeps making more and more and more gas, then spews upward. It actually breaks the magma that's solidified and shoots that up into the air a lot of the time with such ferocity that on top of it being the magma from the bottom, creating the heat that shoots the first layer of rock. And then because you see the spew.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Goes out so far that it becomes ash in the sky and gases fly up and there are rocks flying, but very few. And in that process a lot of these rocks in the air even catch fire. That's when you see the whole. But there's also lava chunks flying here and there.

Cristina: That's horrifying.

Jack: But the majority of the magma isn't what's spewing upward. That's the hard s*** that was getting out of the way. Because the magma is just kind of going to go up and slide downwards.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's the real. The cap is what we're seeing blow up. There's a lid because cold air is hitting the hot lava and it's no longer active. And then it kind of creates a sheet and kind of like ice forming on a lake.

Jack: It's wetter down, but more frozen on top.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, Same idea. The colder air while the air is hitting the top, cooling the top and the bottom Stays.

Cristina: Yeah. So there's lava still under there.

Jack: Yes. And then these processes create the definition between a dormant volcano and an active volcano. Which is a dormant volcano still has all the same features than an active volcano does. But it doesn't seem to be ready or actively creating anything while a active volcano is still bubbling and creating gases. These gases usually spurs out through fissures and other locations, even the very eye of the volcano.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But they disperse enough to not have an eruption, although the eruptions can still happen at any moment.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: If the proper buildup happens.

Cristina: But an inactive one won't ever.

Jack: No, that's incorrect. An extinct volcano won't. That is a volcano that has zero activity. It could not revert to an active one, while a dormant one could eventually wake up. Now, it's interesting we would use these terminologies to talk about volcanoes in the first place because of the nature of the volcano, that it's a piece of the Earth in theory. You know, this is how we discuss it in science, how we talk about volcanoes. It's just part of Earth, natural process of Earth. But having one asleep and one awake. Interesting language choices, especially with the aggressive nature that they have and the fact that we know clouds and hurricanes and things kind of also share their own ecosystem.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So I wonder if there's anything to the terminology, sleeping and awake, like volcanoes are alive. Yeah. If they were moving, it'd be easier to understand this thought. But the fact that we now have a rock monster, essentially, unless we can prove it, is in fact the evolved state of this bird after adrenochrome. That means what we consider to just be solid. Like inanimate things could, in theory, have life in ways we don't understand, which we've had many, many episodes ago. We've had these conversations about what could ultimately be conscious. But now we're talking about something that seems totally inanimate, behaving the way other humanoid creatures do. Kind of complex. Also. Why would this bird become humanoid? So many problems here.

Cristina: What? There's people that become like chickens.

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: In their transformation.

Jack: Who?

Cristina: There was a witch in Mexico or something that becomes a chicken.

Jack: The Baba Yaga?

Cristina: No, some other creature. And you have to, like, pray and to get it rid of it, but it thirsts for baby blood.

Jack: Oh, sh. Wait, we talked about this before.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, crap. Okay, interesting. So I guess, yeah. Point being that. What about these volcanoes? How do we apply that same logic to these volcanoes? Is it the mouth? Is it their body? Is the. If the process is the volcano. Then there isn't anything to talk about. We're just using crap terminology.

Cristina: Yeah, that's true.

Jack: Because there isn't a volcano. There's parts that make up a volcano.

Cristina: It's the actual Earth.

Jack: Yes, exactly. And we know the Earth is alive. So this is some physical process.

Cristina: The Earth popping a pimple? Could be. It feels like that, I guess, in a way, because, like, yes, it wakes up and goes to sleep, but it's the Earth itself choosing, not choosing. I guess it's just happening to it.

Jack: Yeah, it's a process of. But it's always in the same place. You know, the locations where the fissures are. It could be a way to think about it. Pours pores. Fishes are pores. Interesting. Fissures all over the place are pores. That's sweat. That's heat expelling through holes on the surf, on the skin of the Earth.

Cristina: The Earth sweats. Oh, my gosh. That makes sense.

Jack: The Earth sweats.

Cristina: Yeah, I mean, it's really hot inside.

Jack: But those would be the fissures. Water coming out. Water fissures. Then what's happening with magma? Interesting. Right, we're back to the pimple idea. Fours are significantly smaller then pimples are. They're almost micro. I mean, they're not microscopic, but they're. They're very tiny. You would require a microscope to see one.

Cristina: Mm. Pimples know.

Jack: Pimples know.

Cristina: They are like pimples. They are like pimples. But then, like, what else does the Earth have that is similar to the human body? I guess.

Jack: What do you mean? There's a bunch of crap happening? There's a core that allows everything else to function. That's either the heart of the brain or both simultaneously existing. There are tunnels underground overground that behave as a vein system or a artery system. If we assume the water is artery and the lava is the veins, then we have a perfect circulatory system happening for Earth. Many pathways of water on the inside, Many pathways of magma traveling on the inside. And again, the magma goes all the way to where the core, where the heart is. There's a lot of similarities. The heart of the Earth has magma, the blood of the Earth, leading outward to the surface to the extremities. And similar to popping a pimple, sometimes blood comes out.

Cristina: Ugh. Okay.

Jack: And similar to people pores all over the place, which are the fishers, and.

Cristina: Then is the ash. Like when you're popping a blackhead or something, like the dirt that's stuck in there.

Jack: I guess.

Cristina: That'S so crazy. So there's no volcanoes. Or they are. They're mountains then, are they? Not mountains either.

Jack: There are mountains with a fissure cutting through it. That. Or I guess not really. There are mountains built on top of or that happen on top of volcanoes.

Cristina: That are not related.

Jack: Like, they're not related. Like the. The top surface happens to be a mountain, and the mountain that has a fissure somewhere on the inside that, when that erupts, will create a giant hole or blow the top of a mountain. But what we think about when we see a volcano, that shape. That's not a mountain.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That is just some thing that happened as a product of gravity and the magma kind of rolling down, creating that triangular form. So, no, it is not a mountain. A volcano is factually not a mountain.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, there are volcanoes that can have weirder shapes that maybe perhaps help reduce the. The visual of what we think are mountain volcanoes. There are like shield volcanoes there. They have a slope so gradual that they kind of just look like a dome to some degree instead of like pointy. They just got like a. Like a shield volcano. It's got the shape of a shield.

Cristina: It's called the shield.

Jack: Yeah, it's got the shape of a shield. And these volcanoes are very known for. You've probably seen videos of these online where they're not known for a giant explosion and a bunch of magma leaking, but rather slow magma pressing out of the fissure slowly and then gradually rolling. And then people come and visit these places, take photos of lava rolling around and s*** like that.

Cristina: What, people are just hanging out and.

Jack: Yeah, you've probably seen videos of this. People go and just take shots or photos or whatever of rolling lava. They're going to these volcanoes where it's super safe. I mean, minus the lava part.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But otherwise, unless the lava suddenly decided to stand up and start running towards you.

Cristina: Yeah, pretty stand on the lava.

Jack: Exactly. Like, you'd be pretty good at that point.

Cristina: Okay. Is there other types of volcanoes?

Jack: Well, most of the features we've talked about are types of volcanoes. I guess you could say there's cone volcanoes, but those are just, again, something that happened. Okay, so all of the instances of what a volcano is are wrong because a volcano is really the process. And we're just calling all these different things volcano.

Cristina: But they're not.

Jack: But they're not, because the process is volcano. So the shield volcano is a way in which the magma rolls and dries. So is the cone volcano.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: A way in which it moves A super volcano, again is we're just calculating the super based on the fact that it had to expel an absurd amount of matter in one event.

Cristina: That's what makes it a super volcano.

Jack: Yeah. It's not size. It has to in one event has thrown out over a hundred, not a hundred, over a thousand cubic kilometers of volcanic deposit. That's what's measuring it. So it's processing.

Cristina: I imagine that they were just huge.

Jack: They could in theory be really big, but they could just be over because.

Cristina: Of what they spewed out that made them super in the first place.

Jack: Yes. And really what's deciding that is the magma chamber. A magma chamber is a pool of lava that's underneath the crust and that's where the magma is. How large that is determines how big. What's over. It could explode.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Out word.

Cristina: And that would predict super volcano.

Jack: Yes. So super volcano now you know, not location. Super volcanoes in theory have already exploded in the past.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's how we identify them. So a super volcano usually leads to the craziest explosions that are kind of earth ending to some degree. But it's all about the process of. Or not process, the quantity. We've abandoned process at this point. We're like, quantity makes you a super volcano.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But we can't tell where there's a super volcano that hasn't erupted because it would require us to go beneath the crust and investigate all of underneath the crust.

Cristina: Okay. We can't do that.

Jack: It's impossible. So we need events to have happened in order to calculate. Like, oh yeah, this crap. That there must be so much down there in order for this much matter to have come from it. That's the only way we could determine these things.

Cristina: We're looking at what though.

Jack: At the.

Cristina: Just the.

Jack: The amount of matter they spewed tells us if it's a super volcano or not.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that allows us to kind of question how much magma is in the magma chamber that this volcano sits over.

Cristina: Can they tell how old the magma is?

Jack: I don't know what that means. It's infinitely old. It's all the same magma. It's just really. Magma's really compressed matter essentially being really hot.

Cristina: Yeah. Like how do they tell how long ago a volcano exploded? I guess.

Jack: Oh. So yeah. There's probably layers of how it dries and shapes and crap that tell people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Essentially. I guess geologists would be the people doing it. Who that then they know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The age of.

Cristina: Because you have to know. That would be part of it. Right. Like How? Like that doesn't help how if it's a super volcano or not. No, but it's still.

Jack: Well, it could not how old it is, but how far it traveled could tell them how much went up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So you could be like, well, this came from way the h*** down there. That must be a crate if you could find a lot of it. That must have been crazy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's probably how they detect it. But yeah, it's interesting that there are just pools of lava, of magma, magma chambers hanging out underneath. And we could be sitting over one. Not even know.

Cristina: That is cool. But it's cooler that there's a creature living in a volcano that is weird.

Jack: That is weird. And what it's made of is really weird. Now I wonder if it itself has a circulatory system. Again, it couldn't really be made out of lava if it's a creature that made it from blood. And it needs blood and it needs blood.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It just looks like a creature. It's just a creature, except it's made of rock and lava. And like, if it was a shadow creature, that wouldn't check out. It wouldn't make sense. It would be more ethereal, more. More ghost like.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's not. It's just glass and rock and lava.

Cristina: Be a disguise.

Jack: I figured we would figure that out if that was the case.

Jack: It could be a shapeshifter.

Cristina: It could be.

Jack: That's the direction it could go. But then what the h*** is wrong with this shapeshifter that it's deciding to choose the shape of random inanimate crap as opposed to blending in, which is usually what a bunch of the shapeshifters that visit do do.

Cristina: There's that shapeshifter that. Is it a shapeshifter? I think it's a shapeshifter that turns into a snake with wings.

Jack: Yes, but that's a snake and a bird. Those are still just living things in a weird combo execution.

Cristina: Shapeshifters that turn into random crap.

Jack: Exactly. Right. It's always a thing that's an animal of some sort. Like they're trying to blend in. The one that tries to look like a dog. Chupacabra is a famous one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Although there's two variants of the Chupacabra, which I'm sure they. There's too many. Too many. But they're all different creatures. We know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And one of them is like a God, like alien, and the other one's just some s*** on Earth that presumably got the ability from Eating some other s***.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But all the shapeshifters aim to. Well, no, we're wrong. But again, the alien shapeshifter is the one who got weird and turned into the weird, like, lizard. Not even lizard. It's just the closest comparison we can make. But it's this weird monster looking thing, and that's the one that came from space. Remember that? And that was a shapeshifter. But also the dog one was a shapeshifter, and those are two different creatures.

Cristina: Could this thing be an alien?

Jack: It could totally be an alien, but as of now, it just seems to be just an Earth creature because it's entirely made up of.

Cristina: Clouds are Earth creatures, and they don't look like anything.

Jack: They're astoundingly abstract and weird. At least from our understanding, they can identify one another.

Cristina: Yeah, but if this could be something.

Jack: Like that, that'd be fascinating, right?

Cristina: That would mean it's its own creature.

Jack: Exactly. And there would be more like this. It could be like a panther. They hang out relatively alone, like one per volcano. And like the mating process must be complicated because we need one to migrate to the other, which is unlikely.

Cristina: That doesn't feel like something bad happens, travel underground.

Jack: This would be fascinating because this means that the volcano is a. Either a reject or the alpha, and they get to have the big thing. Or they're abandoned into this prison that.

Cristina: Exposes them because they're getting version sacrifices.

Jack: Well, we're assuming that this is the version of whatever the creature this is that has had adrenochrome because it has had adrenochrome.

Cristina: Mm. And that whatever, it's an outcast because it has.

Jack: Well, no, we don't know why it's an outcast. We just know that it is an outcast. And this is not how all these creatures would look or behave.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And if they do exist, it being in this situation, it being in a volcano probably has something to do with it looking and behaving the way it does, because maybe the food it required isn't around. And in order to survive, it ate whatever and then boom, came across blood, which wasn't normal in its environment.

Cristina: Okay, interesting. Interesting, yes.

Jack: Now, following your logic, there must be a. I don't know if highly intelligent way this creature is the way that other humanoid creatures are. But whether highly intelligent or not, that means that there are through the magma and through the tunnels inside of volcanoes leading through passages that are too hot for anything else to survive. Yes, there must really be. Not too hot for anything to survive. But Just rather creatures that do live down there that we'll never see because we could never go down there.

Cristina: Yeah. That makes sense.

Jack: A plethora of them. An entire ecosystem. Whether. And maybe there are highly intelligent ones. And maybe that is what we're seeing. Kind of like dolphins run the water.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There are creatures that just run the magma, or not even the magma. But beneath the crust of the Earth, there's an ecosystem and there are things that are our counterparts down there. And maybe these magma things are related.

Cristina: Maybe. And we would just never know because it's impossible. It's impossible to check that out.

Jack: It is impossible to check that out. Unless. Unless we use. Because technology is not gonna get us there. Everything we have on Earth melts. This is the hottest s***. There's a workaround, though, and we have the necessary creatures for it.

Cristina: We're gonna use creatures.

Jack: Well, we have the necessary creatures for the solution.

Cristina: What's the solution?

Jack: Magic can do a lot. So if we can figure out magic that then allows us to survive the conditions of.

Cristina: That's also crazy.

Jack: The magma. Then we can go explore that.

Cristina: What? I honestly just thought you were gonna say we're gonna just use the supercomputer or whatever computer. We have that.

Jack: Wow. That's actually way more efficient because we could just simulate it perfectly and then just change the variable that allows us to navigate the environment.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And go and explore it.

Cristina: That would make sense.

Jack: That would make absolute sense.

Cristina: Or using the. The people that work for us to do it. Because why would.

Jack: They would die. They would be pointless. We wouldn't get anything back. The real idea in the real world, if we weren't to use a computer, which in hindsight, is the most optimal, safest way to do this.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But if we for whatever reason ignored that for the thousandth time and took an active approach here. Magic would be the way to do it. Because the Reptilians know everything magic related. They know a lot.

Cristina: They know a lot.

Jack: But it's actual technology, isn't it? We thought it was magic, but it's tech.

Cristina: It's the cat people.

Jack: It's the cat people who. That might also be f****** tech, bro. We're still not sure. Think about the lineage of us still waiting for freaking Steve to figure out communicating with the clouds. Because ultimately this will also solve that problem. Because they have the ability to interact with lightning or generate it or something, which is about as hot as lava, maybe hotter. So they can. They know the tricks. The clouds are astoundingly necessary to most of the s***. That we have been halted at. And until we get confirmation that, yes, we have established a back and forth. Yes, we're waiting. And now there's just another thing we're waiting for. The potential clouds could help us with. Because some of these clouds literally level up to the degree that they are partially lava themselves.

Cristina: Do not remember that stars. Oh, yes. The ones they were trying to communicate with.

Jack: That. That's the part you forgot. The biggest thing all of everywhere.

Cristina: That's so ridiculous. You don't think of it as a cloud.

Jack: Well, it is. It's both a cloud and a giant molting thing.

Cristina: That's the reason we need the clouds in the first place, to communicate with the stars. Okay.

Jack: This is a process. We're trying to get farther and farther to talk to the biggest kahunas. But now there's a thing that's kind of hot like the biggest kahunas, and it's right here. And we kind of already have it. Maybe there's more of it.

Cristina: Maybe there's creatures on the stars as well.

Jack: Well, this, I guess the same way that Earth is living thing with crap on it. Possible. Yeah, that checks out. That makes sense. But it would have to exist in the molting section.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because there is just the gaseous surface.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: But on the flip side, who says there isn't an ecosystem in that gaseous surface as well? Wow, this is getting weird. I haven't thought about any of this in the past, but, yes, I guess all of that checks out because we also have crap in our atmosphere. Why wouldn't the atmosphere of a star have crap there?

Cristina: We gotta find out.

Jack: Whoa. Yeah. And we need a star for it.

Cristina: Yes. Man, we need a star for so much.

Jack: Yes. And it's a problem. So basically, we've just circled back to the same issue that we've had for quite a while, which is we can't seem to advance. On the flip side, if we can get magic, we need the capio before the magic. But in theory, maybe this doesn't seem too difficult. It's just magma. I think the reptilians might be enough to figure at least this out. If we can get to the bottom and see what kind of civilization maybe there is intelligence. Because it still brings up the question. I mean, I guess in theory the Mayans didn't go all the way beneath the cross. That's exaggerated. But, you know, they're the Mayans, when they went underneath the ground and plugged into the mansion, like, they didn't really, like, go so far down they're hanging out with lava monsters. Like. That's so nice.

Cristina: They are the lava monsters.

Jack: That would be crazy. But no, they wouldn't, because we know they went to space. Yeah, some went to space and the others just connected to the Matrix. I guess we could in theory assume there's a third faction. But how would they evolve into these things? That makes no sense. That's. There's a disconnect from one to the other.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But there's. There's many options here. There's. There's paths.

Cristina: What if they're not connected to the Matrix? What if they're connected to the lava people? There's that. They're like avatar bodies in this world.

Jack: Interesting. What if they. What?

Cristina: What?

Jack: That. That thought only made sense until they're the avatars in their own world. That makes sense.

Cristina: Like so that they can peek out whenever. But not actually.

Jack: They wouldn't. They would literally not. Because lava people would in theory exist in the lava underneath the surface. So they'd go underground. So then pretend to be underground creatures who wouldn't come up. But. But following that absolutely broken conclusion, what if those are in fact avatars? In an. In a literal avatar, the movie by the director, guy who everybody loves, works. There's a place that's inhabit inhospitable to humans, and they need to go there because of some worse s*** elsewhere. In the case of Avatar, there was, you know, profit. Human profit. The usual reason for us invading people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But in the case of this situation, we know the Mayans knew something was going to happen. Some of them are like, get the f*** off the planet. Others like, we got to go way the h*** down there.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But too far down is impossible. Unless you make a pod where your mind can live and then you create some sort of other thing where you send the signal of your brain to. This is your new body. The pod is gonna keep you alive, is gonna give you nutrients, it's gonna give you food and make sure you don't die. But your body that you've created will never die, is made entirely different. This is some sort of Android that happens to be able to survive in lava conditions. These are technology.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To then perhaps get to the center of the Earth, or not even the center of the earth, but they could because it's just molting. But then that would break the argument that there is life on something like a star.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because we don't have that. It's less likely that something like that happened. We have less examples.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: As opposed to this just Being something that lives down there.

Cristina: So you have to figure that out, though.

Jack: It would tell us whether it's.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Something we should look into for stars. Like a question we could write on our list of questions for stars.

Cristina: A lot of questions, man. But yes.

Jack: Oh, yes. But yeah. So that. That's kind of the rabbit hole that I went down. That all began by asking whether or not we could jump down a volcano.

Cristina: Yeah. You haven't. You didn't figure that out, though, at all. Like, do you know the average of how many people accidentally fall into volcanoes or something?

Jack: No. It was proven that things live there already. So it's kind of pointless, the fact that there's normal. Like, screw this creature and whatever the h*** this is. There's just stuff there, just normal animals hanging out there that's like, of course. Yeah, there's whatever. Humans make it there too, I suppose. Which is true. I didn't think while we were having this conversation before, we didn't think about the fact that people just go photograph lava.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So, yeah, it was a dumb question because we weren't thinking about the bigger picture. People definitely have to volcano dive. Especially in, like, extinct volcanoes that aren't active.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's probably a normal thing. Yeah, man. I'm so edgy. I went into the mouth of the volcano.

Cristina: But we know people die from volcanoes too, of course. Family that just jumped into one and that's it.

Jack: Of course. Of course. But it's not like they couldn't survive in a volcano. Which was the original question. Could you volcano dive?

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: The answer is yes, objectively, because you don't even need to go volcano diving. S***. Just. It's not like, whoa, the most extreme. No, there's just any. Hey, look at the iguana.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: This is extreme conditions. Is that a flamingo?

Cristina: What?

Jack: This is the most hardcore place in the world. Is that a pink flamingo?

Cristina: Little tiny blood sucking bird that gets real hardcore.

Jack: I think that's the weirdest part about this interaction. Of all the normality happening. And then tiny little finch shows up and just digs into the first thing with blood it finds. It's like, holy crap. What happened?

Cristina: What happened?

Jack: Beautiful flamingo flies into this hot, hot place. Like, wow.

Cristina: Are you sure these flamingos aren't drinking blood?

Jack: Positive. Flamingo lands is beautiful. You're looking at it. You're like, oh, this is gorgeous. Fantastic. You see an iguana chilling out here. Like, oh, that checks out moisture and crap heat, you know?

Cristina: Mm. I see.

Jack: I see what's going on. And then A beautiful finch just gliding. It flies and it lands, and you're like, oh, wow. That finch is dope. Looks around. You're like, oh, majestic. A finch that came all the way here to the mouth of the volcano. The finch takes off and starts floating, and you're like, oh, this is. Look how beautiful it flies. Until it rips the f****** eye out of the flamingo you were looking at. And you're like, holy s***. This just became epic as f***. This is crazy. I was scared of the lava. This bird's what I got to get the h*** away from.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Can you imagine a swarm of those finch? You're f*****. Just all the blood.

Cristina: Oh, my God.

Jack: The first cut, you're done.

Cristina: They don't do that, though, do they? It's not like, where are those. Those fish that eat piranhas? Piranhas. They're not like piranhas.

Jack: I don't know. Well, no, because there's not enough food. If there were a bunch of them, they would attack each other. That's the whole point. They're cannibals. They're not cannibals, but they love blood because that's how getting nutrients are missing.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: If they were a flock, that flock wouldn't make it. They would just eat each other. They would cannibalize instantaneously.

Cristina: Oh, amazing. What? Whoa.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah, that's. That's a pretty cool, disturbing bird.

Jack: Yeah. The vampire ground finch. Fantastic. So, yeah, the answer to the question of whether you can volcano hop is without a doubt, yes. Yes, you can. You can go into the mouth of a volcano. In fact, there's some volcanoes that people probably just casually do this to because they're dead f****** volcanoes that do nothing. So, yes, we can all go. And then. Fair enough. It might be so safe that there's creatures of so many different things living down there. So we just got to go investigate that.

Cristina: But you shouldn't go, because you might.

Jack: Be eaten by the creatures that you're looking for.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or the bird that's just hanging out there, that's not even a creatures. I mean, it's a you. It's a real Earth creature. But the fact that you could just be killed by a finch that's trying to drink your blood.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Well, amazing. I hope you guys learned something. I hope you learned something about, you know, volcano humping. Mm, lovely. Volcano humping. Anyways, you guys can listen to last week's episode to get the details on how this conversation began. But additionally, a bunch of the crap discussed here reference a bunch of other.

Cristina: Crap discussed in different episodes.

Jack: In different episodes. So there's a plethora of places to reach from. So just go read show titles, go read episode titles back to back to back and you'll eventually come across one. You're like, oh, this seems like.

Cristina: Read the summaries. The summaries are great.

Jack: Yeah. They'll tell you what's in each episode so you can find the thing. Actually, if you go to the website greathoughts.info justconvopod, I think, or just conversation Pod, I don't know, one of those. You can find not just the summary, but you can type in keywords that will take you specifically to things connected.

Cristina: Ah, that's a great way.

Jack: Yeah. So if you want to like link from one to the other and see all the episodes that are related, you could just type in some keywords and be like, okay, all the episodes related to Shadow Realm, boom. They'll show up together.

Cristina: Because there's a lot.

Jack: Yeah, it's like four or five. Anyways. Yeah, you guys can go do that and you can find all our stuff on socials. If you want to go contact us, you can do get that stuff at just Convopod, Facebook, Twitter or Instagram.

Cristina: Yes. Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth will tell people that they can learn about volcanoes and volcano creatures from listening to us.

Cristina: Yes. And this has been the raveling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: I mean, look, this is an assumption. I know that they're made by the people from over the wall. I was assuming I could. In theory, they could be sort of mechanical to some degree, but they seem like living beings. This is externally, in theory, they could be solar powered, but then how do they function at night? Unless they have internal battery holding things that stores a surplus. So there's more than they need to make the night. But what do we do about periods of time when there's night for nine months?

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: I guess it's six months at highest, I think. I'm not really sure, but you get my point.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. So that wouldn't be helpful.

Jack: It wouldn't be helpful. Eventually you just run out, then what?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they have to be biological. They have to be self sustained.

Cristina: Yeah. So people would volunteer for some weird experiment?

Jack: Well, we don't know the people over. It wasn't people from this side who volunteered. We wouldn't know how they got here because there's people from over the wall and nobody is allowed over the wall.

Cristina: Mm. Not even us.

Jack: We're not allowed. Only Pete. Well, we're allowed over the wall, but people who aren't working for the Illuminati or the Freemasons or any of that are. They're not allowed. Those are the same. That's why people here, a bunch of people, can simply not lift off the planet. We have the technology to get anywhere. Why don't we send pedestrians? No, pedestrians are only allowed over our. Good night.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

September 17, 2022

Rambling 192: What Climate Change?

September 17, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

Who are the reptilians and how are they associated with adrenohrome in the public eye? How do the Jews work their way into the mix? Who is connecting all these random dots? The hosts are. On today’s episode, the duo unpacks a series of conspiracies that attempt to link Reptilian, Jews, Adrenochrome and how the New World Order is using Climate Change to profit!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Increase in Temperatures & Heat Waves
Rising Sea Levels
Warmer Oceans
Increase in Frequency of Storms
More Extreme Weather Conditions
Less Agricultural Land
Mass Evacuations, Loss of Homes and Displacements
Increased Seasonal Allergies
Outdoor Jobs Becoming Impossible
Drop in Water Quality
Food Prices Sky Rocket

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And right now, let us just continue what we were talking about right before, which was we were trying to think about what people in general think conspiracy wise, about even Hard to explain. It's like how all these random three pieces are always connected, Right. But then they spiral out. So it's Reptilians, the Jews.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: What was the third piece? Adrenochrome and Adrenochrome. Somehow everything connects. So just spitballing. And we landed at. Already just using these three. The fact that. Because again, every conspiracy leads back to. We began by saying every conspiracy leads back to the Jews, but then we were like, well, it also goes back to Adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes. And also the lizard people.

Jack: And also the lizard people.

Cristina: Also at the. But at the end of the day, the Jews are the lizard people, and.

Jack: The lizard people drink adrenochrome. That's the logic people use. Okay, so. So the Jews heard the Reptilians, and the Reptilians drink the adrenochrome. Fine, great. But then you think about something like the New World Order, which is a group of people trying to unite all the governments under one ideology, one leader, one secret group. Super mega elites. But the super mega elites are also lizard people. The Jews. Oh, but the Jews are the lizard people.

Cristina: Yes, yes. Who are trying to keep us out of Antarctica. Is it?

Jack: Oh, crap. Yes. Yeah, yeah. They're trying to keep us, I guess, out of the Arctic and the Antarctic birth border.

Cristina: I see. Flat earth border borders. Yes, yes. While they live underground.

Jack: Yes. That part is a huge, huge, huge. I don't know how those two groups of people, like. Well, no, I guess they. They're not the same people.

Cristina: They can't be.

Jack: They can't be, because the flat Earthers think they come from the other side of the wall. There's no center of the earth.

Cristina: Well, they both. That's around the same thing exists, though.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Which is.

Jack: They just think its origin is different, I guess.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like the. The. The ground Earthers just think they come from the center of the Earth, and the flat Earthers just think they come from the other side of the wall.

Cristina: But they just come from somewhere different than where we're at.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Is there another one that they just think they're aliens from space. Probably.

Jack: That's probably a thing as well. Probably Scientology is.

Cristina: The lizard people are just aliens. I guess that makes sense.

Jack: But what other really popular conspiracy theory is there? So you gotta think that, like. Let's really start to unpack some of these. This is really interesting because the idea is that, like, okay, 911 was a thing. In fact, 911 just happened. Happy 9 11. But the idea is attacks happened on the United States. Tragic attacks on the country that did every other country regularly. And still doing it all the time. But anyways, so this country gets attacked. Two towers. Boom, boom.

Cristina: Some random other building.

Jack: Yes, a bunch of random other buildings.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Some random other building in the area just happened to fall. It was just like, oh, no, I'm giving up. But like a bunch of other places. But then we have to think like the Reptilians, who are. The Jews who are in power, did this for Adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes. Run the government.

Jack: Who run the government. And somehow this is related to trying to. They all have to work together. So somehow knocking down the Twin towers and attacking the Pentagon and that random building that fell, they had nothing to do with any of the other buildings and the planes falling and all that stuff that day. The events of that day somehow are just a tiny piece in establishing a new world order. It has to be.

Cristina: It has to do with them wanting money. Because it all leads back to really that power means money. And everything involved in every. These conspiracies is money.

Jack: But then money just gives you power, so you get. Wait, you said power means money.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Well, no, no, because a lot of people have the money.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And not power.

Cristina: Unimaginable amount of money to do anything.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I guess the idea that you're talking about is that power is more extreme than money. Because you're thinking that they even have money. Stops mattering. They don't show anybody money. They just tell people to do stuff and people just do it.

Cristina: But they're doing all this to make even more money for some reason, at the end of the day, is to make more money. Why?

Jack: Please themselves.

Cristina: Yes. And to make us miserable. So that. I mean, I don't know. They want us unhappy and miserable. They want us. No, they want us miserable. They want us to be slaves. I don't know why we have to be unhappy slaves, but they want us to be both.

Jack: Why? What do you.

Cristina: For our money? I don't know. They want us to not have.

Jack: These are conspiracies.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. Like, you know, they Want us. The elites wants us to. Wants to take away all our rights and whatever.

Jack: Yes, okay, yes, hold on. You're totally right. The elites want to take our rights and they want to under educate us and they want to misinform us. Yeah, they want us dumb.

Cristina: Dumb.

Jack: They just want us dumb all the time, just working. Yes, they want us to be machines.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: But it doesn't even like the.

Cristina: To make them money.

Jack: But the money isn't even the point. No, no, no. The money is the point. We're making them thing. Yeah, we're making them money. Yes, but then they already have all the money, so the money isn't really what they're looking for. We've talked about this before. There's some power that they're essentially buying that's more important than the money. They just need the money to get it.

Cristina: Yes, but we don't know what it is. So we're all saying it's the money.

Jack: We think it's the money because we can't fathom the next thing. Because they don't care about the money. There's too many of them and they got way too much money to. They don't know it's all separated in how many banks. And it's all sketchy and underground. We're like, he's got $60 billion, but really he's got trillions and trillions. It's just an unmarked locations. Who the knows, you know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's not even about the money. It's about this crazy amount of power that they're somehow buying with that money or that the money symbolizes or something.

Cristina: And somehow they're using it to bring one government.

Jack: Yes, because that's what Reptilians that are Jews. And also somehow here's the problem, right? We all hear the rumors of like, oh, Jay Z, he's for whatever reason, he's the most Illuminati out of all the people. Jay Z's in the Illuminati.

Cristina: Oh yeah, yeah.

Jack: Somehow he gets tossed into that more.

Cristina: Than anyone because he has things in.

Jack: His videos that prove random symbols and crap.

Cristina: And he says it, he's like, I'm an Illuminati member, but the guy is black.

Jack: And he's, he's obviously, he's obviously not a Jew. At least not the Jew puppet.

Cristina: He's a puppet.

Jack: Okay, okay.

Cristina: The government's not Illuminati. The government, the famous people, the scientists.

Jack: Controlled by the Illuminati. Because the Illuminati is like seven dudes in a quiet Dark room. And they're not even people. They're just silhouettes.

Cristina: They're lizards. Silhouettes. I don't know.

Jack: You're not. Yeah, maybe they. Maybe they're f****** lizard silhouettes. They're just shadows in a room. They're shadows.

Cristina: And all these other people that we're assuming are part of the Illuminati are just. Yeah, puppets. Yeah, they're just. They work for them. They're just paid.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: With all the money. That's why they have so much money.

Jack: To pay the rent.

Cristina: All these people who just care about money. Like, there you go.

Jack: Oh, s***. Actually, hold on.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Let's. Let's take a step back real quick. Let's take a step back real quick. If you have this infinitely complicated, unfathomable amount of money, when we talk about something like, you know, all the scientists are in on it.

Cristina: Like, there's a lot of money.

Jack: This. That's a lot of money, bro. And scientists aren't like really high paid either, you know, like, like, it's kind of easy. You could, in theory, really, really easily. Actually, it would. It would be kind of effortless for a lot of billionaires to literally pay every single. There's not even a lot of scientists. Like, they probably have more employees than now than. There are total scientists in the world. Like these. Like, just a normal billionaire, like Elon Musk, just a guy who. We know that at least he has 60 billion without counting the shady money that he has to have. Like, just. Just what you report on your f****** tax thing, bro. You can 100% pay every scientist in the world their current wage. Probably, but. Yeah, probably.

Cristina: But what about everyone else? That's a lot of people.

Jack: What do you mean everyone else? Only the scientists are in on it. No, it's not because of doctors and s***.

Cristina: Yes, the scientists, but also the government and also the celebrities.

Jack: You know, it's enough. Well, the celebrities is crazy. But then you think about how much money must really exist. And if you're like, okay, Dr. Dre has $1 billion. Whoa, whatever. This shadow sitting at a table is. Has a hundred trillion. Does he give a flying f*** about $1 billion? He gave. He made Elon Musk 60 million. He's like, how rich do you want to be? You just got to do whatever I want. Okay, okay, here's 60. Not even. He's at 80 now, right? No, he's at 120. Right? That's where we are now. He's at 121 20. Boom. I have a hundred Trillion. If I gave you just 100 million 10 times, you'd still only have 1 trillion at that point. How much does one of these shadows give a crap about making a couple of hundred billionaire people? It's. It's so much money. It's like it's conspiracy level money. And like that kind of checks out because we're talking about conspiracies. Like, that's crazy.

Cristina: So you think there's something to this conspiracy?

Jack: No, I'm just saying that it kind of. It. It makes sense how they land on the conclusion. Like it's not absurd to think that if these people are as rich as the thought would go. Yeah, they could in theory pay everybody off between the. However many of them there are.

Cristina: But I think they have the wrong people. They're blaming the wrong people as the lizard people. If it's gonna be anyone, it's gotta be. I don't know. The church has to be involved. It's hard not to imagine the church being involved as well.

Jack: That's probably how reality works. But in the conspiracies, it's always the Jews.

Cristina: Why? Well, the conspiracy should be that it's the church.

Jack: Yeah, but it doesn't happen to be. Rarely is there a conspiracy involving the church unless the conspiracy is about things within the church.

Cristina: Yeah. They have to be lizard people too, though. Come on. I mean, I guess, like they are the top church people. The Pope is definitely a lizard person.

Jack: Yeah. Like, he's not a lizard person, but he's a puppet to the Lebanon.

Cristina: Okay. Everyone's a puppet. Not everyone, but a lot of people, I guess, are puppets.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: It's the doctors and it's the government, it's the church, it's the celebrities. A lot of people.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: It's infinite money.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If there are just seven guys and each one of them has whatever you call the next mark from a trillion. So they all have however much you get. If you have a hundred trillion times ten, then they could pay for whatever and it's just like, who cares? Kind of money.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I just see stuff and s*** happens. Who cares?

Cristina: So crazy. But like, when is this giant, I don't know, global unity gonna happen? They keep saying it's gonna happen.

Jack: There's probably many steps for the new world order.

Cristina: So many stuffs. But I'm sure the COVID thing is part of those stuff.

Jack: Yeah, it has to be. The COVID has to. Okay, so Covid definitely is for Adrenochrome. The fear people were scared of it. The panic that Was thrown out there. The people who made it obviously it was some freak kind of bug that kept mutating and changing. That's really advanced technology.

Cristina: On purpose.

Jack: It was made on purpose. Yeah, that's definitely reptilian tech to cause fear. To have. To have something that when we test, we see is real. And then they manipulate, using their puppets, the media, and get the media to hype and freak people out. But they also have many people in the government because they control everything. So the people in the government then also say, oh, this is a real big problem. They're just pulling giant strings somehow.

Cristina: The mask was a huge thing. Like making that mandatory meant the government was taking away some freedom.

Jack: Yes. Not only is the government so clever that they're taking away some sort of freedom, but also those masks have something. Maybe not the mask itself has something. But the government is so smart. It knows that all those other countries that wear the masks, they don't know this fact. But the citizens, they get it. They know the truth. The government is trying to get you to breathe your own carbon monoxide and give yourself brain damage. They're not telling us that it's happening all over the rest of the world. It destroys your immune system and it destroys your willpower as well. So they can more easily manipulate you.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: That's why they need you to wear the mask as part of the dumbing process that they need.

Cristina: And then the vaccine though, is to kill us off in.

Jack: For some people, it's probably population control.

Cristina: Yeah, population control, right.

Jack: 100%. To make some people sick. To use their DNA to make clones so that they have organs for. For the. For the, you know, the elites.

Cristina: Because they love organs.

Jack: They love organs. They love organs. They need. Oh, they always need organs.

Cristina: Make their own organs. But they need real organs.

Jack: But they're also making their own organs because all the scientists are in the organ.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So all of the above.

Cristina: But they need a lot of organs.

Jack: There's so many organs. There's not enough organs. That's the problem. There is an organ shortage. There's not enough organs.

Cristina: They're like vampires, right? Because like instead of blood, I mean it is blood too. So whatever. Adrenochrome, blood, organs.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, all of the above.

Cristina: They just eat people.

Jack: That too. Yeah, that's totally happening. You gotta understand that. They eat people and there's a bunch of children that they pass around between one another too. You know, that's also eat, scare and f***. All of the above. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so. So where are we? So Far the Jewish Reptilians responsible for trying to create the New World Order, attacking the Twin Towers in order to scare people. To get Adrenochrome in the first place, which is the same reason to get.

Cristina: Money, but also to get the stock somehow.

Jack: Yes, a bunch of stock money so that they can.

Cristina: I guess that wasn't for them. That was for their puppets. Their puppets.

Jack: The stock money was for the puppets. Because of puppets are the celebrities and the politicians.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yes. While the shadowy elites needed some overseas thing. No, that was for the government as well. Yeah, That's a little gift. Because again, nothing that they're winning that they're getting from this, we would be able to get to.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Just the fear that's important to them.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes. Then in the case of something like Pizzagate, Hillary isn't the Reptilian. She's one of the puppets.

Cristina: Yes, I know. What confuses me about the Reptilians is that they do think that celebrities and government members are also Reptilians.

Jack: Yes, you're totally right. So there's a combo of puppets and actual Reptilians.

Cristina: And she's one of them. No, I don't know.

Jack: I think she is. I think what I really do believe is that the shadowy figures are even more complicated than the Reptilians, because shadowy figures are shadowy figures. We know about the Reptilians.

Cristina: Oh, so you think there's someone. There's a group above the lizard people?

Jack: Let me blow your mind. The Reptilians are humans, the puppets.

Cristina: Oh, so crazy. Okay, but the Reptilians aren't really Reptilians, they're just humans.

Jack: No, they're Reptilians disguised as humans. Yes, yes. They blend into society as celebrities and politicians.

Cristina: Politicians?

Jack: We're just big important figures.

Cristina: Yeah. Ridiculous.

Jack: Because whatever the shadowy figures are, they're very intelligent and they know Reptilians can shapeshift to be whatever they needed to be.

Cristina: And that's important to their plan somehow. Yes, because they can clone and they can. There's so much things they could do. I depend on lizard people. Who?

Jack: The shadowy figures.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Well, they don't do anything themselves. What do you mean? What shadowy figure has been out there doing any of these things themselves to get others to do them? So obviously use the most overpowered thing, the most effective thing, which would be the reptilian.

Cristina: Okay, to now to work on making one government, which is evil because.

Jack: Because I don't know. But also, that's just like one of the things that's not the ultimate goal. That's one of the goals. Another goal? Yes. We've had many conversations about how the. The New World order or these shadowy secret government people have many different. Different things they're trying to accomplish.

Cristina: They're also similar. I don't know.

Jack: No, they're not. What about sky, Laser, Jesus or whatever crap? Jehovah, the. The Rapture has come. And somehow that means they can trick people into, I don't know, more money or.

Cristina: Exactly. It's all in the same.

Jack: Is it about money?

Cristina: Yeah, it's all about money.

Jack: How if they're making people think they're gonna die.

Cristina: Oh, no, that's. I guess they want people to go to h***. I don't know.

Jack: Or heaven or church.

Cristina: No, I guess.

Jack: I don't know. Why is it. This conspiracy makes no sense already. The whole. I don't know, Like, I don't get it either.

Cristina: Just, I think to go to h*** because somehow the Antichrist is running this whole thing. He's the shadowy person.

Jack: Yes, Actually, he's one of them. Right. Well, interesting.

Cristina: We just.

Jack: Yeah, you're totally right. He's all in. Sometimes, kind of often. He's the boss.

Cristina: Yes, right. Because the whole. What's it, the microchips?

Jack: Yes. He's just clever. He's a smart a**. He's trying to get you to have the mark.

Cristina: Yes. With the social. Our Social Security security cards are somehow the mark.

Jack: No, this is what's crazy.

Cristina: Whatever this is.

Jack: What's crazy is that you can't force it on anybody. You have to agree.

Cristina: For what?

Jack: For the mark.

Cristina: Oh, yes, but that's not important because no one read it, so.

Jack: Exactly. This is why everybody is inherently wr. Wrong.

Cristina: Yes, but that's not. Yes, yes, yes, Interesting. Supposed to accept it, but I guess, like, they see that thing with Elon Musk, like that's evil because you're gonna accept it because it's gonna be normal and everyone's gonna have it. Because like.

Jack: Yeah, but at that point, if you don't have it, you starve to death anyways. Because if the majority has any one thing that society is gonna revolve around that, like, society's gonna look a little more like whatever. That thing needs to work better.

Cristina: Yes, but for them, it's the sign. It's the thing.

Jack: Yeah, the.

Cristina: Does that make Elon Musk Part of it? I guess. I mean, you already said he was of the.

Jack: Not the. I guess not the Illuminati, but whatever. The Illuminati is reptile. He must Be Reptilian. Or one of the people paid by Reptilian. See, I don't think he's a Reptilian.

Cristina: He's a Reptilian.

Jack: No, I think he's just a guy. I think there are Reptilians. People think. A lot of people are.

Cristina: He's not just a tech giant dude anymore. He's a celebrity tech giant dude. So Reptilian.

Jack: Because. Celebrity.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yes. Okay, I got you.

Cristina: Yeah. Some. He transformed. He. What was it? He sent his body. His. His. I guess his human body into space.

Jack: Interesting. To be frozen by the cold of space.

Cristina: That is weird. I don't know the conspiracies. Like, he sent. If he sent a dead body out in space, who would know?

Jack: Who would know? He could have just covered up a murder on live television.

Cristina: That would be awesome. That's so crazy.

Jack: He has the money to hide the body in plain sight.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we could have seen that. Maybe when he's, like, 95 years old, he decides, okay, I want cameras on me. I feel. I feel the light is coming. I need to let everybody know. And he just drops that bomb.

Cristina: That would be crazy. It only works if he dies immediately after.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: I don't know. Like, why would he confess that as an ODIN person? Like, he has to know he's on his deathbed.

Jack: Okay, walk me through it. How would it happen?

Cristina: He's on his deathbed and he does do the press so that he dies. Maybe he takes something to die just.

Jack: So he can talk about it.

Cristina: Yeah, he just talks about it and then he bites into the pill or whatever. They'll never take me alive.

Jack: Yes, Fantastic.

Cristina: Beautiful. And also, man, there's so many conspiracies involving the lizard people, and somehow global warming has to do with it too, because it's a lie.

Jack: Yeah. Yes. I don't understand here. I know what you're talking about, and I don't understand that one because I've never heard, like, a. An example of why or how. I just know. They say that, like, yeah, it's happening.

Cristina: No, it's not happening. They say, no, no.

Jack: That the lie is happening.

Cristina: Oh, the lie is happening because something.

Jack: Something like, I never get the reason. It's always like, no, there's no such thing as global warming. Why is there. No, I mean, not global warming. Climate change. Climate change isn't real. Okay. Why?

Cristina: Because it's not happening.

Jack: Yeah, that's usually. That seems to be the logic.

Cristina: Or it's not caused by humans. They might think it's real, but it's not human.

Jack: Cause we are part of the Earth, like all the other things on it.

Cristina: Or it's not like a threat, if it's happening. Is that possible? I guess it's not important.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So dumb.

Jack: What word is it you're looking for?

Cristina: Huh? With a word?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: No, I'm just trying to come up with reasons why.

Jack: Oh, okay.

Cristina: It will. What is it? I guess the craziest one is, like, it's gonna advance Jesus coming back or whatever. So does that make it a good thing? Climate change is gonna lead to the end of the world, right?

Jack: Yeah, it's good. It would be. But the end of the end of the world doesn't mean the return of Jesus. It could be way more. Could be the end of the world as we know it.

Cristina: Well, for them, is the end of the world. Is Jesus okay?

Jack: Yeah. So that wouldn't be the end of the world, then. That wouldn't speed up the arrival of Jesus.

Cristina: If it's the end. If it leads to the end of.

Jack: The world, what do you mean? It's just gonna linger until the end of the world?

Cristina: Or climate change. Yeah, it's gonna speed up.

Jack: Yeah. Then it doesn't matter what happens on Earth unless everybody's boiled off. And still I'm pretty sure a divine entity would be like, it's not time. Like, I. I chose a thing. I don't give a s*** what happens.

Cristina: Well, they expect him to show up when they're alive.

Jack: Okay, yeah, it's probably not happening.

Cristina: That's probably not happening.

Jack: If there is a God, there's no way he's just gonna be like, I'm gonna go play with the ants for a while. That being said, there is a series of things that would happen, like the obvious things, you know, with climate change.

Cristina: Like what?

Jack: Like the return of Jesus would. Won't be triggered by this, definitely, but the increase in, like, temperature on all of the planet, that's something that definitely will happen. The climate. Climate change is waves that naturally occur of heat shifting on the planet because of how it wobbles, because of how it moves, because of the distance of the sun. All of the above.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And there are periods of desert, and there are periods of rainforest. There are periods of floods and periods of dry hellscapes.

Cristina: And because of that, we shouldn't worry. We should worry.

Jack: None of the above matters, just the fact of the matter.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. It's neither here nor there, but the. It cycles all the time.

Cristina: But because it cycles, though, shouldn't there be a little worry?

Jack: Because there's nothing you could do about it.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess.

Jack: So why worry? Worry about what? What? What are we gonna do that we're worrying to have the focus towards.

Cristina: Fixing it.

Jack: Fixing what?

Cristina: I guess there's nothing to fix because it's already natural.

Jack: Yeah. It's just nature doing things.

Cristina: Yes. Not be shocked when it happens.

Jack: Yeah, for the most part.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now one of the things that it will do, other than increase the temperature so drastically, is increase the water level as things melt around the world.

Cristina: That's kind of cool.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I mean, it's not, but I don't know, it's just making a whole different world.

Jack: Yeah. Over time. Over time, all of this is gonna change.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I mean, the way it was made now is due to a bunch of the same crap that it gonna change it later.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So just a matter of time before a supermassive volcano goes out and then everything is doomed.

Cristina: Are we gonna drown first?

Jack: No, we dissolve, suffocate. What, the cloud of ash?

Cristina: Oh, yeah. No, I mean, but are we gonna drown by the water increasing before a supermassive volcano erupts?

Jack: There's no way to know the answer to that because volcano eruptions are totally random.

Cristina: So the water wouldn't affect that at all.

Jack: Yeah, they're totally random. The water would just keep rising consistently and the. Yeah, so. Yeah. Yeah.

Cristina: Just random.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: But would a supermassive volcano really, like, end. It would end the world though.

Jack: Yeah, it would end the world, but it's unlikely that it would happen at all. So, like, it's way less likely than just drowning. We're definitely gonna drown sooner than we are going to suffocate from a supermassive volcano erupting and raining ash down on Earth.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: On the flip side, these volcanoes could end up underwater and be of no consequence.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or still be crazy, absurdly consequential, even underwater. Well, I don't think because they're super massive, I doubt that there is anything that's gonna rise and cover them.

Cristina: That's gonna rise. Like, what do you mean?

Jack: Water. The water's not gonna rise so high that it's gonna reach some of the higher points.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So there's going to be still some of these volcanoes out.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: While everything else is underwater.

Jack: Exactly. The volcanoes might experience no difference.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But there being higher water levels and higher temperature simultaneously means that the ocean itself is going to be warmer. And that means a lot of fish can die.

Cristina: Well, everything's going to be dead over time. Are the fish gonna be first?

Jack: The fish that require Temperature to be very specific. Yeah.

Cristina: Tropical fish. Don't they need specific water?

Jack: Well, it's gonna be tropical.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: It's gonna be increasingly hotter, if anything.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: The cold places are the ones that are gonna have no fish.

Cristina: Oh, so sad.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes. And because of these warmer oceans that are killing creatures and maybe making others thrive, there will be a significant uptick, which has actually already begun, of storms. Like thunderstorms.

Cristina: Okay. Like just all type of storms.

Jack: Hurricanes and tornadoes and stuff. Well, not tornadoes, hurricanes. Anything that requires warm water.

Cristina: Like the hurricanes.

Jack: Hurricanes and tropical storms and stuff like that. They all require warm water to be fueled.

Cristina: Are earthquakes at all affected or is.

Jack: That just random earthquakes and. Yeah, no, I don't think so.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because earthquakes is moving giant plates underneath the ground. I mean, I guess I have no.

Cristina: Idea how that works.

Jack: Like, maybe water gets down there, but would that stop anything? It's still just shift.

Cristina: More fire.

Jack: More fire?

Cristina: Yeah. Where? The places that deal with fire as a natural thing, like Florida in Australia. Not Florida, Canada. California. That's what I'm trying to say.

Jack: Okay, okay, okay. Go back. More fire. What?

Cristina: Like, they'll have drier seasons.

Jack: Oh, more fires would happen. Yes, yes, yes. There would be way more fires everywhere. Yeah.

Cristina: Would that be normal in other places, though?

Jack: Yeah, this is normal already in a bunch of places. You mean like, would it be normal in new locations? Yeah, probably. Starting with the center of the country is very desert, like.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess hurricanes will still be, like, towards the water area.

Jack: Yes. Because hurricanes require the warm water. Except the water is going to come closer in, so the hurricane will have way more water to take from for longer.

Cristina: They're gonna be bigger.

Jack: Yeah, well, that's because of the increase in temperature in general.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Because they need heat.

Cristina: What's our planet gonna look like?

Jack: It's way bluer. It's gonna look way bluer. And given enough time, cities are getting collapsed. There's gonna be few organized things happening. When the s*** really hits a fan, there will be many survivors, but they won't have, like, giant governments and stuff. Although I'm sure some people will try to recapture the magic of the old world at that point.

Cristina: Yes. I guess. I don't know. What would that even be like, huh?

Jack: But these crazy changes won't just lead to, like, hurricanes. But think of these flash floods that just suddenly come through or these crazy hail storms. And, like, all this s*** is gonna happen at random because there's way more fluctuations of temperature happening in the sky. One of the craziest things that those drastic changes in temperature and extreme conditions for these. For the weather in general are gonna cause is the destruction of a lot of agriculture, land, you know, to grow crops and crap.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: Many are gonna be drowned. Many are gonna be scorched.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Anything that isn't in a perfectly moist spot is f*****.

Cristina: We're gonna lose a lot of food then. But we're already losing a lot of that anyway with those moths. Celestial danger. I should have looked that up.

Jack: The lanternflies.

Cristina: Yeah. I want to know what's happening with that. But I don't know. But those are eating a bunch of the crops, right? Still happening? I think so.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. And that's definitely something that's gonna affect the world for sure.

Cristina: Is that part of global warming when.

Jack: Not even a little. Not even a little. Some unrelated other thing when bugs from.

Cristina: One part of the world go to another.

Jack: Yeah. And then mass produce because that area of the world wasn't ready for. It's a craz impact on the environment.

Cristina: Why are all the bugs attacking over here first? What is it? The giant wasps?

Jack: No, that didn't happen. First the lanternflies, then they did flies happened three years ago.

Cristina: And the wasp thing two. Oh. I don't know. It all seemed very like at the same time. I feel like I heard about them at the same time. But. Okay. They'll kill us first before all this storm happens.

Jack: What will?

Cristina: Huh? The bugs will kill us.

Jack: Oh, the. I mean, I guess they're not gonna kill us. They're not gonna kill us. The famine is gonna kill us.

Cristina: Oh yeah. So the famine that they created.

Jack: Yeah. They will starve to death. But it was the. They didn't like land on us and eat us themselves or anything.

Cristina: No. But we were gonna die no matter what.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. As all the land gets drowned and all the. Although I guess all the land that's really low gets drowned and all the land that's too high up gets scorched. We'll also have to because of this migrate further north as things get hotter and we seek mountains and colder weather.

Cristina: We'Re gonna seek that.

Jack: We'll eventually have to seek it as the world continues to get hotter and the water level continues to rise.

Cristina: But then the elites won't let us go there. Because that's where they're hiding.

Jack: Yeah, I guess there. I mean, I guess they would have left the space already.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: What's going to be weird is if the water level does continue to rise slowly, we got one of two things. For a lot of people adapt where you Live to the coming conditions. It is gradual. It's not going to be like overnight it went up night. It's just little by little. But it could. It could still be drastically little by little. Like through the course of a year when I'm like two feet. That's a lot.

Cristina: That's a lot.

Jack: That's a lot. That's like just a couple of months. Your driveway ceased to exist, you know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Two feet sounds like very little over the course of a year, but that's excessive.

Cristina: There are places, though, that are dealing with things like that right now. Yeah.

Jack: And a bunch of these places are adapting. Some people moved their houses onto stilts way ahead of time, seeing this come. Other people live in areas that relied on rivers that have dried up. And their houses were already on stilts. So they've turned the bottom of their homes into cage railways so that people can walk. Yeah. They put. They use the already existing stilts that their house were on and then put platforms connected to them, created passageways. And now there's a civilite. Like their homes are on top and their city or their town is the wooden planks over the little bit of water at the bottom. Because the water used to be way up.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Their houses were on stilts for a reason, but the water came way down. Now it's this little splash of water, you know, like a foot of water. But they went ahead and they constructed everything. So they walk over the water, but they already have their houses such high up on silts that they can stand fully erect and still have, like, a full roof distance above their head in this area. So they went ahead and they use that extra space and created walkways. And people have some stores directly underneath their house where they just put merchandise and people walk by on the. And just interesting ways to adapt. There's an entire group of people whose town started to flood as the water level rose, but again, very gradual. So all they did was slowly make their homes float. Make their homes float while still connected. Before, their houses were just next to each other on stilts. Eventually, they put their houses to the. Because the water was rising around them, the stilts weren't going to matter. They had their houses kind of just hovering right there.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But then the water starts going up. What's their solution? They make their homes connect one to another and float. So they have floated the wooden logs, rafting techniques and junk like. And it's not such a high, crazy amount of water from where they are. Actually, I don't think their houses were on silts to begin with. I think these people just had houses laying down normally. And then they remove. Not attached. I mean, they were attached to the ground, but by wood. It was just. It was poor. It was a poor place. It wasn't like super advanced, like a modern home that you somehow got a dig up now.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: You know, it's a village. A village of people with houses made of just old school sticks. Wood that hasn't been carved too complicated. And they got like aluminium roofs, basic things. But then the water starts rising up around them and they just put their. They turned their homes into sort of floating log houses. And then they're. Floating log houses are chained together or tied together.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So there's wooden log together. Yeah, there's wooden log walkways holding the wooden log houses together. So you walk in between all the houses and it's like alleyways, but the whole.

Cristina: So it's like a town.

Jack: Yes, it's a whole little town that's floating.

Cristina: What interesting what's happening to places like, what is that place? I think it's in Italy that it's like on water. But there's got to be huge problems with that place.

Jack: Yeah. I believe Venice is drying up.

Cristina: Yeah, it's drying up.

Jack: I think it's drying up.

Cristina: Is that how they were drowning?

Jack: Are they drowning?

Cristina: Last time I heard about them, there was a lot of water and they're trying to figure out how to.

Jack: Oh, maybe the water level is rising around them. It really depends where you are, what's happening.

Cristina: But something like that is really complicated. Like, how are they gonna solve that?

Jack: No, because it's prop. It's possible they're gonna have to, like. A lot of that is gonna be lost. One the river used to be. The canal, I suppose was below, you know, so there you walk next to it and you have to look down to see it. At some point I started, if you're correct, that had to start rising to the point that you could look to your side and it's kind of next to you. You don't have to really look down. But that means eventually it's going to overtake the walkways.

Cristina: Crazy. You need a boat from home to home or something.

Jack: Well, no, because the homes come out of the walkway. So those homes are going to be also. And those homes are stuck to the ground because it's constructed out of concrete. So it's going to be ruins. There's going to be the base for the homes that are gonna form on top of them.

Cristina: Oh, what?

Jack: Yeah, it's gonna Be an even farther separated kind of Venice. Before you had the canal in the middle. About two boats can fit in some areas. Some areas are small and only one depending on size of the boat. So that was it before, but then it rises up and takes over the sidewalk to either direction. Now it expanded even more, but then you're also going to take over the couple of steps to the next person, like up to the person's building or their house or whatever. So by the time the water level reaches halfway up a building, there are nice gaps everywhere boats can travel. Now you can build homes where a boat can travel from house to house. Okay, so Venice will change. But chances are though that at that point even adapt a walkway so that you don't probably don't even need a boat. You just walk the way you already do. What if you can't afford a boat? Then what? Swim everywhere?

Cristina: So weird. So they're gonna build. Oh, you. You don't know. But like they could end up just building over. Yeah, they have.

Jack: Exactly. It's probably what's gonna happen. Yeah, we adapt at all times. We adapt. We're not gonna take the time to destroy all of Venice and rebuild it. There's not enough time. So we're just gonna build on top of whatever gets destroyed.

Cristina: How do you adapt to fire though? Like places that fire is becoming more of a normal thing.

Jack: Use more concrete and use carbon nanotechnology that allows you to create a sponge like thing that allows then the carbon to retain water and start constructing homes that are moisture locked so that it's way more protected against fire. So fire could come through and it would seemingly ignore the place so long that it destroys everything around it keeps moving, and now there's no longer a fire and the home is still untouched.

Cristina: Oh, that's nice. Okay. There's a solution to everything. Maybe.

Jack: Maybe that's actually a really good idea. Carbon nanotube type of sponge that can.

Cristina: Actual hurricane like that destroys things. What can it destroy?

Jack: There are most homes can't be like modern homes. They're made of materials that makes it really. You got to be a really particular. And you're kind of more talking about something hitting your house as opposed to the hurricane.

Cristina: Oh, not the hurricane. Yeah, something hitting your house.

Jack: Yeah, because the hurricane itself ain't gonna do crap to a. Like a fully grounded modern like concrete and cement house. You're not moving that.

Cristina: An earthquake.

Jack: An earthquake will s*** on that house sooner than anything else. That's the problem. Nature is kind of a rock, paper, scissors or A Pokemon. A card game, if you will. You know, leaf is beat by fire, but fire is beat by water, but water is beat by electricity. Electricity is beat by rock, and rock is beat by leaf.

Cristina: We can't. Can we prepare ourselves for anything, though? Like, can we make one home that can survive anything? Like, if this. If it was as crazy as.

Jack: So the ability that the carbon nanofibers and carbon nanotechnology has a lot. So we can, in theory, make concrete that's both solid and just flexible enough that if an earthquake were to happen, enough of that energy spreads out instead of snapping concrete, because that's what would happen. It would just turn to rubble. You don't want that. So if you can do that, you can have, you know, almost imperceptibly flexible concrete that would absorb just enough of the shaking to not break. That same concrete could have, using a different variant of the nanotechnology, have moisture trapped inside that will not dissipate so that it's both protected against a fire and an earthquake.

Cristina: But what about water?

Jack: If a flood were. Oh, that's about. That is entirely due to architecture. A really good architect can probably seal up all the passageways for water to come in and out.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: There's ways around that. Yeah. And I'm sure that these shady figures of infinite money own places like this effortlessly.

Cristina: Yes. On their islands or underground? What? I don't even know.

Jack: Here's the thing.

Cristina: Rebuilding underground.

Jack: Here's the thing. The island is totally possible. They all got islands. But not the Reptilians or. Yes, the Reptilians. Whatever. The puppets. Not the shady people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Not the shady people. The shady people care about this stuff. The shady people only care about the room that they're being shady in.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And money. Cuz reasons for Reptilians. Yeah, money. For reasons.

Cristina: Mm. So is the Reptilians the one that wants the blood and the fear and all that, or is it the shady people?

Jack: It might be the shady people, because the blood is probably just so that you look younger forever. And people are obsessed with looking younger, but that's also by design, because the shady people want the select, the Reptilians or, you know, celebrities and politicians and stuff to want these things.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So they can keep them on the hook.

Cristina: Okay, you want this s***?

Jack: And I'm gonna give you. Because again, the shady people are just. Well, the ones who are human are just people who would have otherwise tried the same thing and not made it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know how many rappers are struggling, but how many rappers are in Illuminati, J.C. eminem, you know, typical 1 percenters.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's like, well, they were down to play ball. There's billion other guys who are just gonna be like, I'm doing it for the rap and for the honor. And it's like, well, we need you to do it for the money so that we can keep you on a tight leash.

Cristina: Mm. So ridiculous. But can you get out of that Illuminati? Yes. I mean, if you're a lizard person, you can't. Right.

Jack: Where would you go? But even, like, who gives it? Why would you want to? Just like anything's ever happening to you as far as we did. It's more about information at this point. I'm sure they will hire some stranger if it was to do some. Some dark thing, because infinite money, they're not worried.

Cristina: Mm. But we have to remember that everything we said about the Illuminati is just. They're lies because we work for them and we know they're not bad. Yeah.

Jack: No, we're just talking about conspiracies that people have.

Cristina: Yes. I just want to remind the listeners, because we never mentioned that and we know Illuminati listens.

Jack: No, we did mention at the beginning these are just conspiracies we're building. We're not even building. We're just curiously trying to connect them.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. I just wanted to make sure everyone listening knows that.

Jack: Here's something I just thought about. If the temperature keeps getting way up, certain jobs are gonna become impossible. Like a lot of outdoor jobs are just gonna become impossible. If you're gonna pass it out left and right.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Can you imagine? Everything is always in the 90s. Like, that's the baseline. It could only get hotter.

Cristina: That's awful.

Jack: It's like all outdoor jobs are pretty much on a halt. You need computers, you need robots, you need robots. You need to hire fleets of robots. Because it's too hot outside. You could. You got a guy control the robots to do the things.

Cristina: There has to be people who also think global warming is caused by Illuminati to get work people replaced by robots. Or is that a thing? No, but that's a thing now. Oh, no.

Jack: Yeah, for sure. There's a bunch of variants of that, including the ones at supermarkets. They want to normalize. They're not being employees. So they gradually increase the size of the scanning the self checkout time and reduce the size of the side with an employee so that eventually there's just one guy watching you be the employee for the Work you're not getting paid for doing. It's free labor. It's a trick.

Cristina: It's a trick.

Jack: It's a trick. They're making you work at the supermarket or at the. Wherever you go, making you work there for the brief time you're there and then pay them.

Cristina: The people that hate that, do they also hate buffets?

Jack: Interesting. I bet not. I bet the people who hate one love the other. It seems like the same group of people, but the logic is there. You are essentially working at this place and you're also paying them, not the other way around. You show up with the money, you provide the labor, and you hand over the money before you leave.

Cristina: But the money now is for the items. You were never paying the cashier for anything.

Jack: No, you weren't. You're totally right.

Cristina: So.

Jack: But the loop goes. You give money for the food. The food is a product of the store. So now the store gets the money.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The money that the store is gonna give to the cashier.

Cristina: Yes. Which now they don't have to.

Jack: Because you're the cashier.

Cristina: Because you're the cashier.

Jack: Except you're not getting the money. No, the work was for free.

Cristina: Okay? Yes.

Jack: So you showed. All the parts are the same. You showed up with the money. You gave the money for the food. The food that you got from the supermarket. So the supermarket now has the money, and now it's the turn for the supermarket to hand over the money to the cashier. But wait, oops, you left already. I can't give it to you.

Cristina: That's part of the evil plan of.

Jack: This is replacing us with robots and free labor. It's a form of slavery. It was a clever form of slavery.

Cristina: But also of making money. Because they love money. Well, they know, because they don't have to pay employees. So money.

Jack: No, they don't love money. They love power. Because the money is insignificant. There's too much of it. They could. There's. They don't know how much money they have. That's how much money they have.

Cristina: But they love to make money.

Jack: No, no, no. They need the people. They have the power. It's. It's about the power. There's no more money involved. They've not touched, looked at, spoken of money since they walked in, since they became a shadow in that room or whatever, you know, they've never thought about it again.

Cristina: But the people that own the business.

Jack: Those are the puppets.

Cristina: Yes. And those people love the money.

Jack: Oh, yeah, they love the money. It's perfectly fine. The illuminati doesn't think of crap.

Cristina: But they're the Illuminati. Are those shadow people still?

Jack: The shadowy people are the Illuminati. You established this. There's a bunch of puppets and then there's the people in the room.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Well, the people, they're all Illuminati in the end of the day.

Jack: No, the Illuminati is the people in the room.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But if somebody like Jay Z is in the Illuminati, then the New World Order is not necessary. Like, all New World Order are Illuminati, but not all Illuminati are New World Order. You know, like, there's the Seven group, the seven guys, the seven shadowy figures in the room having the conversation. That's world changing or whatever. Those guys are all Illuminati members.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They are the shadow figures controlling the world. Jay Z is also an Illuminati member, but he's not controlling the world. No, he's not part of the New World Order. That is those seven guys. So all seven guys from the New World, All New World Order people must be Illuminati. That's where they found them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's where they recruited people who later just become a shadow in the room, but.

Cristina: Or a lizard person. Or they're already a lizard person.

Jack: It doesn't matter. All this is relevant. The person who they're getting, regardless of whether they're lizard or human, then becomes a shadow in the room is the conclusion, regardless of who they're talking to.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: So, yeah.

Cristina: So the goal for them is to become a shadow person.

Jack: The goal for the puppets are money. Sometimes the shadow people die of old age or too much money or whatever the f*** kills. They're probably immortal as well. It's probably been the same seven people since, like, the beginning of time. I don't know. One of them is Lucifer Fur or some s***. Like, I don't know, man.

Cristina: One of them now is the queen.

Jack: Was.

Cristina: Is.

Jack: Is.

Cristina: She faked her death.

Jack: Oh, right, right, right. Because she's in Cuba.

Cristina: No, she went into a younger person's body.

Jack: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The future, which will then later be rigged. Which is the future, next queen.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: That's how it works.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Legit facts about life.

Cristina: That's how it works. So she's there.

Jack: So it's a lot going on. It's not going on these days. It is crazy that you can go into. I'm so blown away by that. You go into a supermarket, you're an employee, you show Up? Yeah, no, it's crazy. You show up as a customer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But get duped halfway into being the employee and then you leave the employee. You showed up, the customer left the employee. But not really because you did it for free. So at least an employee gets paid. You came in and you were less than an employee. You showed up, you walked in, gave the work. You didn't even get a thanks. Some dude straight like, slave, bro. He straight just watched you do it. And he's just there to make sure you do it right. You got a supervisor. You have a supervisor. You showed up to work. You gotta. You got a supervisor make sure you're working properly. And if you don't, you gotta ask him for help. Hey, boss, how do I figure the thing out? I'm new here. I can't. I don't know how the machines work. Yeah, train me, train me. Come over here and show me how it works. And they'll come and show you. Well, when this happens, you press the thing and like. Okay, good. Hands on training. Great company. Fantastic. You work for a great place. Except you'll never see the check because you just leave.

Cristina: But people like it, cuz it's fast and they're lazy. I don't know. Is that what?

Jack: Slavery.

Cristina: Slavery? But isn't that. Is that conspiracy slavery or is that real slavery?

Jack: I don't know. It's prob. Probably a little of both.

Cristina: Okay, it is slavery.

Jack: You are giving free work. You're just getting tricked into doing it willingly.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: You know, that's all it is.

Cristina: But is it some evil master plan or are they just seeing that people like to do it?

Jack: It's the puppets. The puppets love the money and this is a great way to get the money. They're always gonna chase a great way to get the money. But anyways, anyways. Anyways. Look, the point is that people are crazy and they mix all the things together. No, the real point is that everything comes back. Like, everybody blames Reptilians, Adrenochrome, and juice for everything. And it's because they think the Jews are the Reptilians and that the Reptilians want Adrenochrome. Or they're giving. Well, I guess. And somehow the new world order might or might not be. Whatever. Look, we've talked about a lot of this before and, like, we're trying our.

Cristina: Best to make it make sense.

Jack: Yeah. And there's clips out there. Look, there's clips out there about a bunch of this stuff. And you can, like, try to piece it together yourself. There's a bunch of it. And, you know, we've tried to reason this before. It's hard. It's hard. But you can. You can join us on the mission. Go find us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, isconville Pod and, like, really skim through and find the stuff.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe.

Jack: Yeah. And rate and review the show, because that's important. It gets us far. It takes us places. And sometimes we get rewarded with a magical pony.

Cristina: Yes. So give us an emoji of a lizard.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And let someone who might like this.

Jack: Show know about it, because word of mouth is important. And maybe somebody needs to know how all these conspiracies connect and the fact that it's all to blame the Jews and the Reptilians.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. Pause, talk a little play. Pause, talk a little play.

Cristina: Yes. That's the best. Gotta remember to pause.

Jack: Yeah. So that you miss nothing.

Cristina: Yeah. Or you listen to us first and then you listen to us again and then talk over that second lesson.

Jack: Fair. Fair. That makes perfect sense. Because you don't want to miss. You don't want to miss valuable lore that happens randomly.

Cristina: Yeah. So if you can't help it, you should do that.

Jack: That's fair. That makes absolute sense.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Colazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor, and published by Great Thoughts info, art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

April 02, 2022

Rambling 169: Real Magic

April 02, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

Is magic real? What exactly is magic? Who has the ability to use magic effectively? The duo crack open the case of magic in an attempt to once and for all determine which things are and which things aren’t. What they come across while investigating is highly unexpected and changes what they understand about how our universe works forever!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Baba Yaga
Witches
Wizards
Magic
Slide of Hand
Hypnosis
Illusionists
Alchemists
Jehovah of Light
Jehovah of Dark
Shadow Realm
Lucifer

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean? Welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

Cristina: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episode episodes are released.

Jack: And also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner. So get ready. Get ready to have an epic listening session. I was about to that up and say conversation, but, like, you're not. You're not gonna talk with us. They're not talking with us. I was about to say they're listening to a conversation. They're gonna have a listening session. Yeah, we're having a con. They're not gonna have an epic con. I mean, you can.

Cristina: They can.

Jack: You can talk to. I guess you can talk to whatever. Talk to your phone, go to the of places, put this podcast and start screaming at your phone with your opposing opinions and topics on topics. Your opinions on topics you discuss.

Cristina: Yes, you should do that.

Jack: Yeah. Invite randoms. Create, like, a circle where you're screaming and you yelling at your phone. Shut the f*** up. And that other person agrees with one of us and you disagree with us. And now you start hitting some f****** other random person over some s*** that's totally irrational because you're probably in universe 3 anyways, and none of this really affects your life. But you're so invested in the episode.

Cristina: What do you think people will think of them, though?

Jack: Well, everybody who's already invested listening is sucked in because we're hypnotic. Between your soothing tones and my manic extremism.

Cristina: But the people watching.

Jack: Who's watching them?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, I don't know. The people watching them are like, wow, this must be really important. They probably think it's happening in universe three, you know, the way things happen.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: This is all part of whatever thing we don't know about because, you know, they don't know about s***. Like, he's theorizing this, and they're theorizing theories, and then they come in with their theories, and everybody's just a ball of theories beating the s*** out of each other.

Cristina: Yes. Although this show's not about theories.

Jack: Well, no, we're talking about the truth they're over there talking about. Because everything in this universe is real. Everything that's real over here is just like a hypothetical maybe over there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: As things go.

Cristina: Yes. Like Baba Yaga.

Jack: Like Baba Yaga.

Cristina: Or his name.

Jack: It's a him.

Cristina: Well, in just one version. The newest one with Keanu Reeves.

Jack: Oh.

Cristina: Oh, that's my favorite.

Jack: Baba Yaga, the Disney whatever. But you know what? Yeah, I guess it's magical how he swoops in and just. Murder. Murders.

Cristina: I just wonder where's his magical house with the chicken legs?

Jack: The. The guy burned it down.

Cristina: The guy burned it that didn't have chicken legs. Maybe he gets it in the next house. Oh, he has to replace it.

Jack: This is a Baba Yaga origin story.

Cristina: Yes. Even though he's been living like Baba Yaga for a long time, like, he's retired.

Jack: That's how far in the other end. But Baba Yaga isn't like, they called him Baba Yaga. Now we're going to see how he becomes an ethereal witchy thing.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. What if that's what's next? Yeah.

Jack: Now, my question about something like Baba Yaga is like, so Baba Yaga is magic, but is. Is it a witch? Is it a creature of magic? Somebody who can use magic? And if somebody who can use magic. Because we. We have a lot of weird things, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We have this second realm, the shadow realm. And in the shadow realm, there are beings that are born over there and creatures of that end. And my idea is, like, science gets creatures over there, and creatures over there don't have magic. They have abilities that are natural to that world. It's not magical when they're over here. Like a G. Ghost isn't magic, or a werewolf isn't magic. Actually, a lot of the time it's science. It's genetics that we're talking about. Because a lot of this stuff uses the powers that come from adrenochrome, or the creatures that manifest on this end are using fear, which isn't magic. It's some sort of fuel for creatures of the other side. But like, Baba Yaga is a. If I'm not confused, it's a type of. Well, what about. To my understanding, it's some sort of witch.

Cristina: She is a witch.

Jack: Okay. But there are other witches as well.

Cristina: There are other Baba Yagas sometimes.

Jack: Oh, that's interesting.

Cristina: Sometimes she has sisters named Baba Yaga.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So there's more than one of her. And sometimes she has a daughter called Baba Yaga. I don't know her daughter's name. I don't remember her name. It could be Baba Yaga Yu Junior. But, yeah, it seems like she is also. I don't know where her magic come from or if it is magic or maybe it's adrenochrome. Because I know she eats people.

Jack: I don't know why she would need to eat people. She's. It's. She's just a cannibal.

Cristina: Actually, you don't. You never see her. I don't know if she's eaten people. The pe. The stories that I've read. She tries to throw people into her oven, but it doesn't happen. So what if she's just doing it for the fear that she would get from them, thinking, oh, my gosh, I'm gonna be eaten alive.

Jack: But what does a witch need fear for?

Cristina: For what she thinks is magic, but it's actually the power of adrenochrome.

Jack: But no, but wait. Unless she's actually eating them. She only gets the adrenochrome if she eats them. If she's scaring them, she's not getting anything. She's not from the Shadow realm.

Cristina: But she might be eating them too. I don't know. It seems like fear or blood is good.

Jack: But how is a mortal of Earth using fear? There's zero examples of that working out. Everything we've gotten so far suggests that it's entirely something that creatures from the shadow realm, including, as we recently discovered.

Cristina: Jehovah of Dark and Santa Claus. What is he, do we say?

Jack: Interest. Interesting point. All the gods seem to somehow use fear. Yeah, but are we to say the gods were mortal?

Cristina: Yes. Yes, I think so.

Jack: Interesting. So not only creatures of the shadow realm, but when you cross a certain threshold of natural a bit. So people. Wow. No, so you're totally right. It's. It hasn't just been creatures from the shadow Realm. No, because we also know that whatever the big baddest of gods is, was probably human. Well, he leveled up from something lower.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Through fear.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And occasionally adrenal chrome, when that was the only result. And at these giant colossal levels, you don't become corrupt if you don't have the. But then you always got a steady stream of at least fear happening, so you can never really go feral. Unless that's what happened to God of Dark. But God of Dark came from the shadow realms. It was never necessarily our understanding.

Cristina: We don't know where he came from. We're assuming he came from the Shadow Realm.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So I don't know where it starts. Does it start there? Does it start here?

Jack: Well, that God starts over there. Well, we don't know where began is the people of Atlantis.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: That's what we don't know the origin to. Yeah, but we Nailed down where Jehovah of Dark comes from. But what you're. What you're proposing here is actually really rational that. Because we have proof of some gods that have upgraded through these means, including St. Nicholas, who somehow became an overpowered deity of sorts.

Cristina: Yes, and St. Patrick.

Jack: And St. Patrick. But St. Patrick doesn't use fear.

Jack: We know Santa Claus does that. He upgraded from pure mortal to seemingly one of the most overpowered gods that have ever existed. While we still call most other gods, including. Including Jehovah of Light and Jehovah of Dark. Demigods.

Cristina: Yes, we.

Jack: We kind of. It's hard to say that Santa Claus falls under that he might be like an actual omniscient God.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But he's doing it off of fear, and he began as a mortal, so. Good. Good argument.

Cristina: Yes. It's only feared as long as. So far, there's no blood involved.

Jack: As far as we know.

Cristina: As far as we know.

Jack: So Baba Yaga, you're saying, is similar to this? That they're using fear and maybe Adrenoch.

Cristina: Adrenocar. Yes. Yes, she is. And there's a male version of her, too. Although she sometimes is good, sometimes is bad, but in her story, she's not always an evil witch. Sometimes she's a helpful witch.

Jack: So there's like an actual good, but.

Cristina: It could be multiple different Baba Yagas. So it doesn't matter. Like, there could be, like. I think of it like wizards from Harry Potter. There's a bunch of witches learning the same thing from the school. So they're all similar. They all know everything.

Jack: Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. What does the. The term Baba Yaga mean?

Cristina: The term.

Jack: Like, what are we talking about when we say Baba Yaga? Because, okay, there's some good, there's some bad. So then we're misunderstanding what it is. It's not a name because there's good and bad and there's different ones. It's some sort of title. What does that title mean?

Cristina: I don't remember. I think it has to do with how she looks. I think it's describing how she looks, but I can't remember what language in German. Slavic. What? Slavic. It's like, in the area. Russian. Russia. Whatever that area.

Jack: Wait, Baba Yaga is a Russian witch?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Do you know, it's weird that I never thought about this, but, like, okay, where are most witches from?

Cristina: Where are most witches from?

Jack: Yeah. Like, okay, the Salem Witch Trials. That's in Salem.

Cristina: In America.

Jack: Salem is not a place. Yeah, Salem is in America?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Where the f*** is Salem?

Cristina: In Massachusetts.

Jack: Interesting. So most witches are American?

Cristina: No, they're all over the world.

Jack: No, they're obviously. I said most, not all, almost most.

Cristina: I don't know. America did have a lot.

Jack: A lot. Somehow witches are an American thing.

Cristina: No, there, there. There's a lot of places.

Jack: No, I get that. I get that. There's also pizza from everywhere. But like, even if literally Italy made.

Cristina: It there before America, there was a witch problem in Europe. They had the mass hysteria over witches first.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: It started over there. It came over here after that was done.

Jack: So witches are European.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now where specifically in Europe did they come from? And also, like, is Europe the origin of witches? Because I know voodoo priestess are a version of w. Witches.

Cristina: Oh, I'm not sure which one came first.

Jack: I think that might predate the European witches because voodoo priestess we're talking are like island, African islands and like Bahama area and like all these native islands and African regions. So the question then is, do voodoo priestess predate the word witch? And is the word witch just the European word for voodoo priestess? And it just so happens to be that Europeans are light skinned and voodoo priestess tend to be dark skinned. But the concept is the same. We grab a couple of these things, do a couple of those things, and magic, poof, something happens. And I wanted it to.

Cristina: Yeah, I think. Yeah. The first one that you said of voodoo priestess came first.

Jack: Like it might. It's migration.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: And then Europe went crazy over it because I think in most of the world it wasn't an evil thing. There are bad witches and good witches.

Jack: Yes, that's usually the case. The majority of witches are good. It's just things you do and you control certain weird elements of nature through what we would call magic. And then there's the ones who are like, I'll do whatever the f*** I want with it for my own personal gain.

Cristina: Yes. But the stuff that was happening in Europe and America was nothing related to actual witches as far as we can tell. There was probably just people going crazy, like with the werewolves, like just hunting people down and saying they're a witch to kill them. Why? I don't know.

Jack: But interesting. Well, we found out that most of the stories of werewolves were just people mischaracterizing things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But then we also found out that the idea of a werewolf is unrelated to the actual werewolf. Those are two different things. You can give a wolf adrenochrome. Well, I guess. No, that's different. You can give a wolf adrenochrome and you end up with a wet judge. No. After it dies. What the f*** do we get if we know that is a werewolf? It's like a weird f******. Because it's not a man. Necessarily.

Cristina: Man.

Jack: Which the problem is you give a wolf adrenochrome and you get like, a f****** weird freak of nature. Werewolf.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That thighs. It becomes a wet judge.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And no actually win dingo. And if it can't continue to get.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Fear or blood. No, we're wrong somewhere in here.

Cristina: No, I think that because.

Jack: What's the feral version of the werewolf? Oh, no. There's a Lycan and a werewolf. So the werewolf. The werewolf is the bad one, I think. And then the Lycan is the bad one. Or the werewolf is the one with control. Got it. Werewolf is control. Feral is a Lycan. Regardless of what happens, you become a Wendigo. And if you can't get fear, then you become a wetchudge. Great. But also, people saw what they thought was people going through the same thing, and like, well, there's a native in there. It's a man wolf.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And werewolf. It was just a dude in tribal.

Cristina: Yeah. He had that furry pelt. And then they came up with the stories. He turns into a wolf with that pelt.

Jack: Exactly. Because there are actual weird freak of nature where. I mean, werewolves that aren't human in those woods.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it's just because we know that during these battles, wolves come out of nowhere and start licking the adrenal crumbs. Whole thing. And poking out. You got a f****** monster.

Cristina: Yeah. I wonder. What. How the whole witch thing came. I know there's, like, lines in the Bible that say, hey, don't talk to witches.

Jack: Don't be witchy.

Cristina: Don't be witchy.

Jack: But then. Yeah. Because what you're talking about makes perfect sense. Right. So if we apply the logic that in most narratives there is the real case and the fake case and that the lines get blurred somewhere in the middle.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then, yes, there are real witches. But a real witch must turn into something. If there could, anything that consumes adrenochrome changes.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So there must be witches that are doing fake magic, witches that are doing real magic that does not, in any case, involve blood. Blood or fear.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then some other s*** that's scaring people and then f****** eating them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So that would say that this is what we mean when we say Baba Yaga.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's witches. Or there's posers. Witches. And Baba Yagas and Baba Yagas. Baba Yagas are adrenochrome and. Or fear witches. And then there's magic witches, which are talking dark and light magic. So we don't really know what that is, do we?

Cristina: Dark and light magic, like magic versus.

Jack: What Baba Yaga is doing. Is there a. Do we understand what real magic is? Enough. Because we even thought that the cat people were using real magic. It's just technology.

Cristina: Real magic is like prayers that you tell your God, our gods, or whatever. I don't know. I don't know the difference between a witch and a priest. I don't know. They're doing the same thing. They got a God, they got a book, they got prayers.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting.

Cristina: Whatever you want to call it.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

Cristina: So then they both have altars, they have candles. I'm pretty sure they both have candles.

Jack: Yes. It's a form of meditation, except one.

Cristina: Is labeled evil by the other.

Jack: Yes. In both cases, they label each other evil.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yes. But it's pretty simple stuff. There's nothing really scary about witches. Like, I even.

Jack: Now my question is, is Baba Yaga a real witch that then devolves into using or evolves, depending how you want to look at it, into using fear and blood. So it's witch plus this add. It's a super witch.

Cristina: It's a super witch.

Jack: Yes. Baba Yaga is a super witch. It's a witch plus blood and fear.

Cristina: I think so. Because the type of magic it's doing is not like the real witches. It's more supernatural. It's more crazier. Like, things you do, you can't imagine really happening is happening.

Jack: Interesting. Like what?

Cristina: Like one time, she gave a girl a candle. A skull candle. No. Was it. No, it wasn't candle. It was a lantern. Whatever. And when the girl. Then she let the girl go home because she put her through a whole bunch of tests because her family wanted her dead. It was her mom and her stepsister. They're like, we hate you. Go away. Gave her to Baba Yaga to hopefully eat. She didn't eat her. She gave her test. She passed the test. She gave her this lantern, and then she said, when you go home, it'll grant you wishes. But when she went home, the lantern just set her house on fire, and her family died. And I'm sure the prince came and saved her. So it's okay?

Jack: Yes, okay. It's all fine.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It turned out. Happy ending.

Cristina: Yeah. It's a happy ending.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Baba Yang has saved the day with murder.

Jack: With murder, yeah. Interesting, interesting.

Cristina: But I guess the candle, the lantern is magical. Like, that doesn't normally happen.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Doesn't teleport you back home. You know, real ones. But that's a different type of power.

Jack: Yeah, it's okay. It's fascinating because when we're talking about other kinds of magic, right, we're talking about prayer, we're talking about meditation, we're talking about whatever the case might be, the idea is if you put forward enough mental energy, you either comprehend the thing and warp your personal perspective on it, thus altering your reality, or somehow you're actively affecting the universe with this. The think of a person who creates a ritual to get somebody to fall in love with them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Okay. Now, either you affected somebody else's psychology through this ritual, or through this ritual, you change how you think about it. And when that person next sees you, there's something different that's now attractive to them, but the change is in you. And they see it, and suddenly they're like, oh, you know, I'm actually into this. And you think you affected them, but you just affected you.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The line between that is impossible to define.

Cristina: It is. It is that. That's a different one. And like, sometimes they also use clothing, the colors and makeup and stuff to be more attractive. Like, that might be helping you too. Yes.

Jack: Then the question is, Baba Yaga gives a person this lantern, they take the lantern home, and the lantern sets the house on fire. Now, Baba Yaga gave me the lantern, the lantern set the house on fire. Or are you under the impression that something's gonna happen, and then the same way you are sort of the reason the lantern fell, and you just warp the perspective on how that happened to say, well, the witch did it.

Cristina: Oh, so she didn't do it.

Jack: So maybe there's nothing supernatural about it. Maybe there's just a perspective warp. Well, I knew something was gonna happen, and then, you know, I tripped and knocked it down. But it's the witch's fault. They knew this would happen. Oh, now my family's dead. But the witch made it happen, which made it happen. But really the witch changed the perspective in your mind with what they understand how to do. They did it to themselves growing up. And as a young 20 something year old, doing a bunch of, quote, magic, unquote. Yes, Consistently warping their own perspective. Eventually they know, they noticed I'm not really affecting the outside. I'm affecting my inside, and that's allowing me to see it different. And now they know how to do it to other people. Just like Charles Manson or Darren Brown. Your using Perspective to brainwash the person who can't walk. And they're in a wheelchair now. They can get off of the wheelchair. Did you perform a miracle? Was it magic? Or did you brainwash them?

Cristina: Did you brainwash them?

Jack: You brainwash them? They did the thing, yes. The lantern falls, the house sets on fire. The witch did it.

Jack: Brainwashed.

Cristina: Well, what about when items and stories become other items? Like, that's magic then, right?

Jack: I don't know. How far can you do brainwashing? Can you make somebody cluck like a chicken? Can you make somebody see the knife in your hand be a gun?

Cristina: I don't know if you can do that. Oh, maybe. Yes. Right?

Jack: 100% brainwashing, like hypnosis is hypnosis. You can do self hypnosis to do magic. That's what meditation is. It's self hypnosis, Right?

Cristina: Yeah. What?

Jack: Yeah. So the question is, is real magic magic? And you take it far enough. Are you hypnotizing people, calling it magic and then putting them in a state where they are so scared.

Cristina: Yeah. That they believe it?

Jack: No. That they produce adrenaline and then you f****** kill them. You can take it. And you did it so easily because you already brainwashed them. You didn't need to actually do anything other than I hypnotize you. You feel crazy fear now. I kill you. Drink your blood. I got what I needed.

Cristina: That's weird. What? But one of the stories is with Baba's daughter, and she's the one that uses magic to get away from Baba.

Jack: Magic?

Cristina: How? By throwing things like a comb and then it turns into a mountain or what else? A brush that turns into a forest and a towel that turns into a lake. Which sounds like kind of ridiculous things. Is she hypnotizing Baba Yaga?

Jack: I think, yeah, maybe. This is a battle of hypnosis. It's two mentalists trying to warp it. Must look crazy. Not to the outside world. Anybody's watching them. He's just throwing s*** at normal, basic stupid s***. And this is one person chasing the other. But the experience those two individuals are having is f****** crazy. They're actively warping each other's point of view consistently. Maybe even the surrounding. Imagine the. The battle. Spoiler alert for the latest Spider man movie. Spider man. No Way Home. But when Spider man is fighting Dr. Strange and s*** is just warping and the city is caving in on itself and s*** is weird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They could just be doing that to each other, but nothing is really happening. It's all Just mind f******. Hard hypnosis, mind f****** to one another.

Cristina: That's Dr. Strange. Mind f******. Spider man, though.

Jack: Yes, he's the one using magic, but it's really happening.

Cristina: The city's not going crazy or anything. That's just in his magic. Magic.

Jack: Oh, is Darren Brown a magician or is Darren Brown a hypnotist? He's a hypnotist, but he says what he's doing is a trick. It's a magic trick. But he also says, I'm hypnotizing you. He interchangeably uses the terminology because he gets it. And probably at the beginning when he was watching people do things that look like real magic, it's like, what the f*** is happening? And a lot of magic is what? It's sleight of hand. It's. I gotta convince you of the thing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But the advanced stages, what do we say, the mentalists? Well, the best magicians are mentalist. Well, what does a mentalist do? He f****** hypnotizes you.

Cristina: Interesting. It is all a mind game. Like, even when you think of dark, the darkest magic of like killing someone, that person had to believe it, I think.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And then they had a heart attack. Probably because they were so scared for their lives. Like, they truly believed this horrible thing was happening to them. But it's more that they believed in the curse or whatever than you actually doing anything.

Jack: Yeah, this kind of checks out. The cat people didn't have magic that just turned out to be advanced technology. So we ruled out that. Our only real example of it, other than watching magicians and things. And we know that the s***** magicians are just doing a literal trick, but what about the people who do something that's unexplainable? Okay, well, they're doing really, really overpowered sleight of hand.

Cristina: They're tricking our minds, though.

Jack: Oh, they're tricking our minds. The guy who just removes the wash off your hand, now he can show us how he did it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: On the side camera view. And be like, well, this is how I really got it. Off your hand. But in your point of view, until it's explained, you had a watch. Now that guy has your watch. And until it's explained, well, how the f*** did it happen? Yes, it's a magic trick.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the same can go for it. Like, it could cause somebody to hallucinate. Hallucinations are a thing to happen in the mind. If you're crawling around inside somebody's mind and you know how to trigger a hallucination. Well, then why couldn't you make any object into any object. And while she's running away, here's a f****** comb. Turn it into a mountain. Because you know how to affect that.

Cristina: Yes, but there must be some drugs involved too, right, to do this hallucination part. I mean, witches have potions of.

Jack: Potions. Yeah. It could just be, again, throwing skilled enough witch, presumably. Because here's. I guess here's the other problem. Right. Are we talking alchemist, which is a type of, quote, magician. It's also affecting your mind and your body. Or are we talking a mentalist and a trickster? Now, somebody who has all of the above skills is a f****** savage. Because the best of witches do what? Potions, hex bags, brainwashing, all the tricks in the bag to alter your reality. And so the magic worked.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And I can make you feel drowsy. Oh, how am I doing it? Well, I give you some drugs, obviously. Or have I've intoxified myself consistently so that my atmosphere has it. And you have to come to my house so that I can tell you the fortune. But I've drugged myself with the thing I'm pumping into my air regularly so I'm not affected by it. But when you come in, you immediately feel different. Oh, the energy in here is weird, but once you're in here long enough, that drug is just here to make you suggestible.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And now I can more easily crawl in your mind or convince you of weird things. I could say words that are gonna trigger visuals.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But I'm used to it. I'm not gonna be toxified by it. I drugged myself with this every day just to be immune. You came here once every seven months because I told you, don't come here often because it's not gonna work. You gotta experience the solutions. I told you. And then you come back and you know, oh, wow. Every time I come in here is an interesting energy. It's the power of that which I'm feeling.

Cristina: Or the priest.

Jack: Or the priest. Well, the wizard, you mean.

Cristina: Oh, wizard. I'm thinking of the priest when they have that smoky thingy.

Jack: Oh, yeah, but that's totally different because you're talking witch from priest. Now, what they're doing is the same, but their settings are different. Yes, that's really what you talk about, because you do feel a weird thing. I mean, you go into the confessional, you already got some weird thing. What? This. What's the first thing that happens when you go into a confessional? He's got a chant for you.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He either has Some repetitive thing, trick in his mind to trigger a trick in yours. Hey, my child. Okay, now you feel small already. Tell me what your sins are. Okay, you're guilty of something. Already he's prepping you to be suggestible to confessing something so he can get the juice out of you.

Cristina: Yes. And then he tells you to say something 10 times.

Jack: Yeah. Which is part of the conditioning, the mental brainwashing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And next time you come. Oh, I did the thing you told me to, Father.

Cristina: And it felt great.

Jack: And it felt great. So it's all the same abilities used in a million different ways.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. Okay. So none of this is real magic, but then there's this other guy who's like an evil witch version of Baba Yaga.

Jack: Wizard.

Cristina: Wizard. Yes. And. But he does this thing, though. Like, I'm sure all the other things you can say are illusions or whatever, but he does this unique thing where he hides his soul. He hides his soul in an egg, in a bird, in a fish, in a nest, or, you know, like some ridiculous, ridiculous thing. And once you find the thing, you could kill him, and that's how you kill him. But are you really killing him?

Jack: Has anybody done it?

Cristina: Yes. Who have to. Some random people. In his stories, the hero of the story has to go through the journey of finding the soul to crush the egg after, you know, this whole list of things. Because something will help him out. He'll help things out. And then the creatures will be like, okay, here is where he hides his soul. And then he'll have to find that animal within the animal within the animal that has the egg. Because it's really weird.

Jack: It's like a turducken.

Cristina: Yes, it's a turducken of his soul.

Jack: It's a. It's a turducken Easter hunt for a soul.

Cristina: Yes, that's exactly what's happening. But what's happening there because you crush the egg.

Jack: I don't know. This is. Now we're talking about something entirely different at this point. There's something entirely different because now we've established what magic is, what you're talking about doesn't even sound like magic anymore. There's no thing happening that's affecting anybody. There's no real condition that's affecting. Even if magic weren't in the person's mind, even if there was literally somebody affecting the external world, which at this point, we could say gods do that. So the difference between a mortal doing magic and a God doing magic is a God isn't doing magic a God has powers, usually from adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now what you're describing is neither of those things. They're not creating a magic trick. They told you there's a thing in a place.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's nothing being affected. Your mind isn't being affected. The external world isn't being affected. So it's neither real nor fake magic. It's not brainwashing. There's no.

Cristina: Or maybe there is a little bit. Maybe the guy who hid it there, he's brain. He's been brainwashed to believe that that's where his soul is. And once he sees the egg being crushed, he dies because he truly believed that. That was like, who told him that?

Jack: Interesting point. So you're saying that the person whose soul is hidden in the object isn't the one performing the magic? There's a. The victim of who the magic was performed on.

Cristina: Yes. Or maybe he did believe. Like, maybe he did think he put his soul in an egg. Sure. But still, because he so believes it. Like the Dracula story, where it could be just a regular man in that movie of just like, are you really a vampire who can't stand the sun? Or are you just a guy who is.

Jack: Oh, I know which one you're talking about. Yeah. You believe the lie so much yourself.

Cristina: Yes. What if that's happening to him?

Jack: Then he wouldn't die when they crushed the egg.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: He would. It would. The egg would be crushed. He would start freaking out, thinking he's dying at first, but then not actually die, and be like, what the f***?

Cristina: Huh? I guess. Right? But also, this guy can also transform into animals, which a lot of witches can do, too.

Jack: Do other people see him do this, or is he the only one who witnesses? I am in covert. I hide as a rat.

Cristina: No, I think they see him turn into birds, usually to kidnap people. And I think he turned the girl into a snake.

Jack: So he's f****** with people's heads left and right.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Altering. Because we've established. Okay, you can. You can change structures. Are you changing? This is what's interesting, though, because a lot of creatures on adrenochrome, a lot of gods, a lot of creatures that survive off of fear are shapeshifters. A lot of aliens are shapeshifters. The reptilians. Many shape shifters exist. But as we've just established, magic is really sleight of hand in mentalism and or alchemy. So there's three different branches to it. There's a complete trick. Hypnosis.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or toxifying someone. Those are the three options that could lead to more or less the same result.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, out of those three pieces that lead to the same result, are any of them really creating a transformation? Or did you get drugged with the alchemist and you're literally hallucinating? You see things that aren't happening. You could pump this into an entire place.

Cristina: So he made them believe that he turned into a leper?

Jack: Yes. Or not hypnotized into thinking so.

Cristina: Okay. And the same thing with turning someone else into a snake.

Jack: Yes. You convince them they are. You can make somebody cloak like a chicken if you hypnotize them the right way.

Cristina: Yes. Yes, you can.

Jack: So you can make everybody else think she turned into a snake, and then you tell her you're a snake and she slithers and they see a snake.

Cristina: Weirdo. It could be all the same thing.

Jack: But then we come back to Baba Yaga. All these overpowered tricks of a mortal affecting a mortal, and then actual powers through adrenochrome and fear. Now, we know you gotta level up to a certain degree to use fear. That seems impractical because our only examples now are creatures from the shadow realm or gods.

Cristina: Mm

Jack: Is Baba Yaga a God?

Cristina: I don't know. Because there's. If there's more than one, then what does that mean?

Jack: I mean, there's more than one God.

Cristina: Yes, That's.

Jack: But is she like the demi est of demigods? Like the lowest tier God? She's the first step into this.

Cristina: Maybe.

Jack: It could be.

Cristina: There has to be more than one step of.

Jack: Yeah. Because we know there's some omniscient other thing. And we know off of when we're talking demigods where it becomes questionable as Santa Claus, is he omniscient or as close to omniscient as it gets before actually transcending to something that we have no language for?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So then does that mean Santa Claus is the top of the demis and Baba Yaga is bottom? That she's borderline just immortal?

Cristina: I think so. But where does fairies. Where is the fairies in this?

Jack: I don't know where fairies land. Because fairies can go into the shadow realm without needing fear or adrenochrome.

Cristina: Oh. Okay.

Jack: I don't know what the f*** a fairy is. I think we've established a rank for everything else that exists, including things in the shadow realm, and we still don't have a f****** clue what a fairy is.

Cristina: That's. I don't know.

Jack: Fairy's complicated.

Cristina: Because there's some other s***, but they can do whatever.

Jack: Yeah. There's creatures from the shadow realm. Sweet.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The shadow realm has gods. Jehovah of Dark, maybe many others that we don't even know about.

Cristina: We know fairies used to be gods or called gods.

Jack: Yes, but they'll be s*** on by gods. On that being said, their abilities are interesting. It's powers. It's real powers.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they did probably just low tier demigods.

Cristina: Higher than Baba Yaga, but lower than others.

Jack: Lower than most other gods.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: Which is how they move seamlessly, which would explain how Jehovah of Dark came through. Maybe gods can move seamlessly from one side to the other, but there's no benefit. Maybe there's no fear in the shadow realm. And most gods need that. So they stay over here where there is fear. But creatures from the shadow realm cross over, including Jehovah of Dark, that wanted more power, so he crossed over. But he didn't realize how much competition there was over here.

Cristina: But it's so weird that witches feel like they're just humans, but there are witches that do kill and transform. And they want fear, but they also want blood. It's like. It's so much like already the creatures from the shadow realm, but they're not.

Jack: Well, they're not. You're totally right. So interesting idea, right? Santa Claus. Fairies at the North Pole deal with Santa Claus. Not even fairies. There's some other. There's some creature at the North Pole that comes from the shadow realm. There's a. There's an exchange happening there that allows them to not be harmful, get everything they need to exist on this end. Santa Claus to benefit from whatever he has. A witch's whole thing. The same way that a magician. And I guess the tears are I guess just three tiers. And then the Baba Yagas of the world, tricksters, Magicians or tricksters, mentalists and alchemists.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then Baba Yagas that are all three of these things put together, plus adrenochrome and s***, fear or whatever. Now, in all three of these cases, a alchemist must study alchemy. You have to understand chemistry, and you have to understand biology to affect biology with your chemistry. Thus, an alchemist.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: A mentalist has to learn hypnosis and psychology. A trickster has to learn perception and sleight of hand. It's homework. Yeah, it's all homework. So if you saw the f****** thing, let's say you saw Santa Claus or some of those things, some of the creatures they have, or you Were at a battlefield. Saw, wolf, saw. Change. You're like, I'm understanding. I'm taking notes. Then you're a scientist to some degree, too, and you study up on the thing that you saw in the natural world, and now you're trying to imitate it. What's more sciency than that?

Cristina: Yes. And that would be what Baba Yak.

Jack: Well, that's what every witch, every trickster, and every alchemist does. And to be Baba Yaga, you'd have to go through all of these things to be the best at all of it.

Cristina: So you probably already know about the other world or the shadow.

Jack: You've studied the living s*** out of it. You might not be able to cross over, but maybe that's your goal now.

Cristina: Maybe that is because we don't know what her goal is.

Jack: We know what her goal is.

Cristina: Fear and adrenochrome.

Jack: But also myths of witches suggest some witches have achieved immortality. Well, what makes you immortal if not adrenochrome?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And even if you die with adrenal chrome, you just go to the shadow realm. And if you're overpowered in the shadow realm and know how to use fear, you could just come back to the mortal realm, to the physical realm. You've achieved immortality.

Cristina: Yes. And that's probably what Baba Yaga has done.

Jack: So Baba Yaga probably seems like a ghost, and there's narratives that make it seem like she just came out of thin air. But in reality, Baba Yaga has achieved the ability to move in and out of the shadow realm. Yes, probably by taking adrenochrome and then dying, probably willingly.

Cristina: Mm. Whoa. She didn't turn into anything special or anything.

Jack: Probably did Whatever distorted figure is the name that they got. They look a certain way. Okay, Maybe that's what happened to their body. Yes, but humans who take adrenochrome just become a vampire, which would also explain the continuous need of eating people. It's survival. You got to keep doing it, or you become a f****** zombie. Yes, but you already know how to trick, how to hypnotize, and how to toxify. And you drank blood and you f****** died and crossed over. So you're a djinn. Baba Yaga is a djinn who understands a lot about science, okay. And uses it effectively. Boom.

Cristina: So she is a magical creature.

Jack: No. Well, the magic that we understand.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. That's what I mean.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: The adrenochrome creature, I guess.

Jack: Yes. Everything goes back to it. God d*** it.

Cristina: Yeah, but it makes sense. It's homework.

Jack: Yeah, that's f****** crazy. What doesn't come back? Hey. Ever since we found out about Adrenochrome, everything. Everything is so annoying.

Cristina: Eventually we'll see Keanu Reeves character drinking.

Jack: Some blood and then crossover blow his own brains out.

Cristina: Yes. Like a bad guy's finally gonna kill him and then he's just gonna come back to life because he's got magic.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Or not magic, quote unquote magic.

Jack: But that's kind of cool.

Cristina: So.

Jack: So there are three branches of quote, magic, unquote.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because again, there are alchemists. And alchemists are particularly weird. Kind of magician make anything f****** happen.

Cristina: That's so crazy.

Jack: But the question is, is an alchemist more overpowered than. I guess. Yeah, I think an alchemist is the most overpowered because you don't need to know the individual, you just need to know biology and chemistry.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because you can drug anybody in, the same effects would take place.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: That gives you a hundred percent assurance that what you're gonna try is gonna work. As opposed to hypnosis. You gotta be really f****** good at hypnosis. Cuz it could fail.

Cristina: It could definitely fail. Yeah.

Jack: And sleight of hand. You gotta be really good at sleight of hand because it could fail.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But potions. Oh, that's the shortcut. On the flip side, you have to come in contact with the person. You gotta get them on the drug without them knowing.

Cristina: You gotta convince them it's medicine.

Jack: Yeah. Something like that. You gotta get it in their body somehow.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Whether you pump it into your own air. And now they're convinced different energy and all the switches telling me things. And I'm super convinced of it. Oh my God.

Cristina: Mm. That is weird.

Jack: Interesting. So like a fortune reader. That's both hypnosis and alchemy.

Cristina: And alchemy.

Jack: Yeah. That's the drugs and the hypnosis.

Cristina: Where's the drugs at?

Jack: Well, it's probably being pumped into the air. That's why you feel the energy and it starts affecting your body, thus making you more susceptible. So even if they're mediocre. Hypnotist.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Well, you're already easy to convince.

Cristina: And which one's the priest?

Jack: The priest is a hypnotist.

Cristina: He's a hypnotist.

Jack: Well, it depends on the priest. Right. I would say a pastor is purely a hypnotist, but a priest is a hypnotist and probably an alchemist. Because a lot of the time they give you, what? Drink a little wine, eat a little bread.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're Convincing you to consume something and.

Cristina: You don't know what's in there.

Jack: You know what's in there. You're just believing that they're. That it is what they say it is.

Cristina: Yep. Or you're believing that it's really the body of Christ.

Jack: Yeah. Whatever narrative they tell you you ate some Christ, it's in you. You're gonna feel the power. Oh, I do. I feel it.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: And also, you no longer have sadness and, oh, my God, the Jesus inside me. I no longer feel sad. No. You got drugs. Brought up your euphoria, bro. You're high.

Cristina: You're high. Yeah.

Jack: You're high. And so you're like. Yeah, I feel happier.

Jack: Well, yeah. He drugged you with happy. Your endorphins are flying off the wall.

Cristina: That's ridiculous. That could be. We don't know. I mean, we do know. That's what we do know.

Jack: That's literally what's happening.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But I guess the whack lower tier version of this is sleight of hand. That's. You're not crawling inside of anybody's. You're not brainwashing people.

Cristina: No.

Jack: You're convincing the gaps in perception.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I guess that would be the hardest to do.

Cristina: That's the hardest to do.

Jack: Hardest to do because it's the one with most ability to slip up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And also requires the least amount of homework, so it's obviously the easiest to do. It's the easiest and the hardest. Anybody can do it. And it's hard to do successfully.

Cristina: Okay, anyone can do it, but.

Jack: Yeah, anybody could do it. But it's hard to do, like. Well, you're probably gonna grind it out. Have to do a million different parts to convince somebody of one thing.

Cristina: You gotta practice it.

Jack: Yeah. Well, any of these things got. Yeah, but like hypnosis, if you just manage to get them into the trance, you win.

Cristina: Yes, that's it.

Jack: You win.

Cristina: But we've also seen it go wrong. Where they are who, whatever you wanted them to be. Like there was a girl who just was too. She. I think he wanted her to hate him and then she just.

Jack: Oh, I know what you're talking.

Cristina: She loved hate him. She. Like it was some other.

Jack: It's because she was too susceptible and she did her part and he sat her down. Then he went to the next one. That person was supposed to fall in love with him.

Cristina: Yes, that worked.

Jack: And then he went to the next one. That person was supposed to hate him. But the first person was too susceptible and heard all the instructions for the Second and third person. And they both loved them and hated him.

Cristina: So she got those. Oh, my.

Jack: Yeah. So the one who was in love with him would get close and she would get jealous because she's in love.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But the one who hates him would be angry and she'd be like, yeah, f*** him.

Cristina: Okay. So it's more. Okay.

Jack: Susceptibility is what ruined that lady's mind.

Cristina: Okay. So it wasn't that. That wasn't that gone wrong or anything.

Jack: It wasn't that it went wrong is that it went too. Right. And she was too susceptible. So any instruction he gave to anybody else on that stage while she was tranced affected her.

Cristina: Wow. You gotta be careful with who you do that to.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Whoa. I didn't realize that. Okay.

Jack: Interesting, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's a very unique scenario.

Cristina: Wow. And there's a witch that is in Italy that works a lot like Santa Claus. She's very similar to him. Her name is Befana. I think that's how you say her name.

Jack: What about her?

Cristina: And she does pretty much the same thing as him. She lives forever. Which kind of like him, she rides a broom instead of a sled. And she gives kids candy and she gives bad kids love. Cool. She's a pretty much Santa Claus, but a witch.

Jack: Do they expect her to do. To give them stuff?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh, interesting.

Cristina: I think they also celebrate Santa. I don't know if it's just her, but I'm pretty sure they do both.

Jack: Wait, hold up, hold up. Let's pause right now and take a couple of steps back. Is she Santa's fangirl or Santa's gold digger?

Cristina: Actually, she has more to do with Jesus than she does with Santa.

Jack: Well, so does Santa. He capitalized on the Jesus game.

Cristina: Yes, but Jesus gave her this role. Yes.

Jack: Was St. Nick around Jesus time? He was shortly after. Right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So, yeah, it was like the third century or some s*** when we looked at it. So then the question is, if Jesus, century one, well, century zero, before century one, gives this lady all these instructions and this is how you could best do it. One, how does Jesus know it's baby Jesus?

Cristina: It wasn't even like old Jesus. It was the baby. He was just born.

Jack: How did he give her these rules? He wasn't talking.

Cristina: Oh. I guess he was a child by the time she found him, because she had to find him first. And then he told her, okay, here's what you got to do.

Jack: So this kid was a genius. Figuring out how adrenochrome works and how Fear works in general because later in the future, when he becomes 30 years old, he goes on this weird tirade, telling people about it, and then they literally try to get rid of him. And that's when he's like, no, I'm gonna drink that adrenal girl this s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then vampire. Now I'm overpowered. I could. You can't even kill me. I'm faster, smarter, cooler than all of you.

Cristina: He already knew this when he was like, he.

Jack: So he gives the lady this role.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And sometime after. So she's immortal. She lives all the way to the third century now. She's 300 years old. Enter St. Nick. He sees it. He thinks. He thinks. Sees maybe creatures that she connects with. You know, fear. Oh, there's enough fear that people come through. And I'm like, what if. Because we don't know how he got in contact with the creatures in the first place, we know the deal is with the creatures. Allow a lot of things to happen simultaneously, and then I become overpowered. Now I could do it myself. Yes, okay, great. Fantastic. But he needed the creatures to begin with. Now, did he see her interacting with creatures? And it's like, guys, listen, just crazy story. What if we large scale this? We start small, we spread the propaganda. Everybody starts believing it don't hurt anybody. It needs to be vague, because fear. We need the fear. It's gonna be small doses, but we spread it more and more. More of you can come through. We can spread it farther, create more. I get stronger collectively.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And over time, we spread it across the world. I'm crazy powerful. Now, you guys could just relax. I'll let you feed off of my fear. You guys could do whatever you want, but now I'm immortal. But he got it from this f******.

Cristina: Lady who's only doing this one place.

Jack: And he. He Jehovah of lighted her.

Cristina: Yeah, maybe. Because he also took the whole cookies and milk thing. Well, she doesn't have milk. She has wine instead. But cookies and wine.

Jack: Because she was with Jesus and Jesus loves wine.

Cristina: Yeah, she's drinking Jesus blood.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So. And yeah, I guess he saw her and he was like, yeah, this. This is a pretty good gig.

Jack: So he optimized it. He innovated that s***.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's like, let's. Let's upscale it global. I want to take this business everywhere.

Cristina: But she's considered a witch, which is weird because, like.

Jack: Well, that means that Santa Claus at some point was considered a wizard when he was St. Nick. What did they say? Oh, he was performing miracles.

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: And what are miracles if not magic tricks?

Cristina: Oh, all saints are magical. Well, not magic. Not magic, because, you know, what did.

Jack: Darren Brown say when he performed this thing? Well, I'm gonna come up here and I'm going to perform miracles.

Cristina: Yes. And that's what saints do.

Jack: And that comes from gnosis and drugs and sleight of hand, Dear fish. Now it is Matt One fish. Now it's mad bread. How'd I do it? Well, you're f****** trickster, bro. You know how to do sleight of hand. You probably had a bunch of bread somewhere.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or I hypnotized all of you. Now you just see a lot of bread. Well, you're all high as f*** and hallucinated. Mad bread. Because I said the word bread. Who cares? Yeah, you see, a lot of bread is the point. Thus a miracle.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And she's performing miracles. Yeah, they say magical, she's witch, but. But she talked to Jesus and did a trick. Sounds like a miracle to me.

Cristina: Yes. So it's all the same thing.

Jack: The difference is we just called her a witch and Saint Nick a saint. But, like, what's the difference? Sexism.

Cristina: Yes. Pretty much, yeah.

Jack: What's the f****** difference if not sexism?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: That's it. That's all that happened. Sexism. He's a saint because he did it. No, she did the same thing. F****** burn her at the stake. She's a witch.

Cristina: Yes. Maybe there are a lot of female witches.

Jack: Well, let's go back to the Salem witch trials. How many men, like, were. Were burned alive at the Salem witch trials? Now that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: How many priests for the Catholic Church that could perform miracles existed at that same f****** moment?

Cristina: Probably all of them.

Jack: How many people were just on the street, did a miracle. They happen to be a guy. And that's why we call it a miracle. They're like, wow, God gifted this to you. A woman directly next to him did exactly the same thing. Probably better. And they were like, f****** killer.

Cristina: Yes. Yes.

Jack: Hey, they both made that quarter, 10 quarters. Killer. Kill her. Kill her. Him. Give him a church. Kill her, though.

Cristina: Yes. Well, probably because he's saying this is through God while she's saying this is through nature.

Jack: Yeah, because nature. Evil.

Cristina: Nature. Yes, evil. Because the devil is somehow related to nature. So it's evil.

Jack: It's weird because God. Nature, like God made nature or whatever. But that just goes to show you that there's a weird disconnect that chances are if anything in the Bible is accurate. Well, Lucifer wanted you to know he didn't want to keep you ignorant. Lucifer wanted you to understand and to experience. And it's like, bro, did Lucifer just make nature? And like, Lucifer made people. Then Jehovah was like, meh, having it. But then, side story, was Lucifer the original. He wasn't Jehovah of Light. That's a different person. That was already on the side.

Cristina: No, but he was also of light.

Jack: Lucifer was of Light.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Unless Lucifer was Jehovah of Light. Okay, let's. Let's analyze this real quick. Lucifer, Jehovah of Light. Jehovah of Dark shows up, somehow traps Jehovah of Light. Right. And then lies to the people. But Jehovah of Light is still godlike. It just has enough ability to communicate with them to some degree. And it's like, look, I put this tree over here. He can't destroy that tree. This tree is too powerful. Is my original power. He's just got here. He doesn't have the power to take that tree down. The best he can tell you is don't f****** eat from it in that tree. I made that anticipating this f****** a******. Eat from that tree and you'll see him. You see what it really is. You'll see that he looks like he's from the shadow realm and he told you not to eat from it. Why? The tree of knowledge doesn't want you to have knowledge. What? And so you eat from the fruit and he's like, no, you did the wrong thing. I'm a punish you forever. But Jehovah of Light, The Lightbringer.

Cristina: The Lightbringer.

Jack: Lucifer.

Cristina: Lucifer, yes. Yeah.

Jack: Jehovah of Light. So the Jehovah that spread throughout the rest of the world, the New Testament Jehovah. Lucifer.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: It's s***.

Cristina: After he brought Jesus or he got Jesus into the light.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because Jehovah. Jehovah of dark created Jesus. He was trying to stay on this side.

Cristina: You think the Jehovah Dark.

Jack: I think Jehovah, yeah. Because you made Jesus in order to exist as a mortal.

Cristina: Light did. Because he was trapped. So he needed a way out and.

Jack: He just became mortal.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But then Jehovah of Dark convinced a whole bunch of people kill him.

Cristina: Yes. Which is fine with Jesus, because now I can.

Jack: I turned myself into this. If you kill me, I'm free.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, s***.

Jack: So the argument is Jehovah, Wow. This is. This is gonna be. Oh, this is it. This. We f****** figured it out. Jehovah of Dark comes in. Jehovah of Light already over here. Jehovah Light made People. Or not really, but he's controlling these people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He has region with people, and he creates a tree. And he's like, all my knowledge, all my. I need one of you to replace me in the future.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And that tree is gonna give you now. No. Almost no God over here can f*** with that tree. There's some evil tricks that can stop me. And then, boom. Jehovah of Dark shows up. Jehovah dark traps original Jehovah of Light.

Cristina: And hides the tree well.

Jack: He tells them, yeah, you don't f****** touch this tree. And he tries to look like Jehovah of Light. You don't touch this tree. I'm telling you, don't touch the street. But Jehovah of Light is powerful enough to get the word out. And they do.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Right now I'm a trap. Jehovah of Light forever. You f****** piece of s***. You somehow ratted me out. So I'm going over there, and these people, they're gonna die. They're no longer immortal. Right? Fantastic.

Cristina: He hides the tree and he hides the other people, who are probably related somehow.

Jack: Yes. So now these two. Okay. No more immortals. You. You two are gonna f****** die eventually.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You can reproduce and you're gonna die, too. And I'm just figuring this out, Right? Maybe there was never immortality in the first place. Different discussion. Then, 2,000 years later, the idea occurs to Jehovah of Light from his prison. Well, I had enough energy to communicate with him in what seemed to be a sort of mortal body of sorts.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What if I can do that same thing, but instead of a snake, I am a human?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now I gotta. I'm gonna put all my energy and just become that thing, all my exaggerated power. Put it in there. No, that can't be.

Cristina: It can't be.

Jack: Because unless he really just put his energy and literally became a mortal.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But then it doesn't make sense, because Jesus wouldn't become a vampire. He couldn't be the first vampire. Because once he dies, he gets freed. Unless we're saying that Jehovah of Light has gone through this crazy transition, but then who is running the show now at this moment? At this moment. Because he would just be a Djinn. He be. He was originally a God. He gets trapped. He becomes immortal. In that time of being mortal, he becomes a vampire, dies, becomes a jinn, crosses over back. Okay, that doesn't work. So unless he never became a vampire, in which case, when he dies, the vessel now allows him out and he's Jehovah of Light on this side again. Boom. Kaji. Jehovah of dark. Now you're f*****. And traps him somewhere. Unless. Well, no. No, never mind.

Cristina: Fix this. I don't know.

Jack: No, it works. It works. Jehovah. Well, Jesus. We don't. We don't actually know. He died.

Cristina: No.

Jack: He goes to sleep. A vampire goes and recovers. He never died. No, he took adrenochrome. He had to. Oh, s***. He just went through the process again.

Cristina: He went through the process.

Jack: He was the first vampire.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then he kept powering up.

Cristina: Yeah. And started making portals.

Jack: Well, no, he used fear as well.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: And boosted. Got more powerful and became godlike all over again. And then trapped. Jehovah of dark. Using probably magic. He probably. Again, Jehovah. No. I don't know if creatures from the shadow realm have psychology the way that beings from this side do. There's so many holes here. But we're onto something.

Cristina: We're onto something for sure. It's there. We got the pieces.

Jack: Yes. We got the parts. We're close.

Cristina: We're getting there.

Jack: We're touching it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We don't know exactly what.

Cristina: No. But we're there. We're almost there.

Jack: D***. So we found out what magic is, at least.

Cristina: Which is still not magic.

Jack: It's not magic. D***. So there's no such thing as magic. No, there's just power in science. And sometimes power is science.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So. Yeah.

Cristina: So.

Jack: So magic might just not be real.

Cristina: No, it's just science. Yeah.

Jack: It's weird. Yeah. It's mostly science because we're just f****** with people's heads.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Or drugging them. Tricking perception. It's all science. Understanding how the universe works.

Cristina: And maybe adrenochrome.

Jack: Maybe adrenochrome. That's the closest thing to magic we have. And that's still just chemistry and biology.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay, so it's still in the science.

Jack: So, science.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: D***. No such thing as magic.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Eventually we're gonna find it and be like, what?

Cristina: I don't know if we will.

Jack: Well, here's the thing. When you stop using adrenochrome and it doesn't enter your body, but you are gathering fear. That's magic. I don't know how that's being used. We have no explanation for that part. We know that's what's happening. We've had creatures tell us that's what's happening. We've studied it. We've seen the effects. We have infinite data on that factually being the case.

Cristina: But what part is magic, though? What is the fear?

Jack: How the is anything using fear? We know they do. Yes, but it's fear is that is the ability to get energy from that. What magic really is, it's not science. And it is real.

Cristina: I don't know. Because whatever, it's biological somehow are you getting it?

Jack: How are you getting the fear into? It's not entering your body, but you getting something from it, it's sustaining you. Some creatures literally survive off of it.

Cristina: Off of the fear.

Jack: Santa Claus isn't drinking blood. He optimized using fear.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: But what the f*** does that mean? And we call him the most magical.

Cristina: So there is something going on. Okay. Yeah.

Jack: There's a question mark. And as long as there's a question mark, we'll say that's magic. All right, so we'll say magic is just the dark that we say in science, when we know something is factually science but can't explain it. Well, it's dark this, it's dark that. Well, in the natural world, when we can't explain whether it is science, it's magic until further notice.

Cristina: All right, so for now, it's magic. Yep.

Jack: Whatever feet, whatever fear or connection fear has to godliness and power.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Without Matt, without science, that's magic.

Cristina: All right. We got something.

Jack: Yeah. So that's crazy. We found out what the h*** magic is. Fantastic. Didn't think that would happen ever. But we got there.

Cristina: We got there. We did it.

Jack: Yeah. On the flip side, we have conversations where we're talking about creatures that we thought was magic. We've talked about fairies, we've talked about cat people when we thought they were using magic when it was a giant question mark back in the day.

Cristina: Yes. And even werewolves transformation were sometimes very magical sounding.

Jack: Yes. Until we found out what that really was. Or how even werewolves came to be in narrative form, not the physical form.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So you guys can actually find all of that? There's a plethora of. Before we found out what magic is like today, a bunch of theories on what it could have been and us explaining things away as science instead of magic. So you can find all that stuff on the official website, greatthoughts.info on Apple podcast, Spotify, or anywhere you get your podcasts.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok @justconvopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to rate and review the show and always subscribe so you can can get those notifications the moment new episodes arrive.

Cristina: And let someone who might like this show know about It.

Jack: Yep. Tell somebody. We have disproven the last couple of pieces of magic as science. Accept whatever the f*** fear is. To gods.

Cristina: Yes. Awesome. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. What?

Jack: Because he lives 60 years and then live 60 years as a result? Ghost robot.

Cristina: I don't know. I just think different versions of you just pop up, taking your place, and we just don't even realize it. Like, I don't know which you I'm talking to.

Jack: No, no, listen, listen. I'm pretty sure that the first version of you was you. Yeah, but the first version of me was a ghost robot.

Cristina: What if that came after.

Jack: Well, we established that it happened way, way early. Then that ghost robot is who started talking the original s*** about the Illuminati. And then that ghost robot got killed with something again. Super mega killed, I guess, by the Illuminati who had clones of him. And then the first clone happens. The first clone became a bit crooked and also talked s***, but they hadn't done anything yet.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Then that clone died with Dave and the other clone of you. So those three got taken out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then the third version, AKA second set of clones, showed up. That's genus. That's where the genocidal Jack came in. It was just destroying everything.

Cristina: Mm. Is that you?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And taking out cockroach people.

Cristina: No.

Jack: The order here is f***** up. I don't know. It's really convoluted. We have to really get somebody to dig through this and find out what happened.

Cristina: Yeah, because there's also the one that's you traveling in time.

Jack: Yes. I'm pretty sure that's the same genocidal Jack. He killed the cat people and the.

Cristina: Cockroach people and the ghost robot. Like, how did it die? How do you kill a ghost robot? Doesn't it just turn into a ghost?

Jack: Well, no. The ghost robot was also the special me. No, but that was a clone of a clone. Wow. There's two special me's.

Cristina: There's no two special. There's just one special you.

Jack: If we find out, we gotta go back and, like, really, There's a lot of episodes to go through.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We got to try to understand what's happened and how we got here to begin with.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's a lot. It's complicated.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor, and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

January 15, 2022

Rambling 158: Gatekeeper Penguins

January 15, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

How does Martin Luther King Jr. Relate to Penguins? How do penguins relate to Flat Earth? Was Malcolm X more right than Doctor King? And where do penguins come from? Are they fairies? The upcoming Penguin Day and MLK Day get the duo excited to discuss the connection between the two and how both Penguins and Martin Luther King Jr. affected the world for the better or the worse.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

MLK Day
Hitler Day
War Reenactment
Everyone Rapes
Flat Earth vs Round Earth
Lyndon Johnson
Arctic
Penguin Fairies
Climate Change
Spacetime Portal
MLK vs Malcolm X

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified to since I released.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. So be sure to find somebody to talk to while you listen for the second time, because on the first time, you're gonna be nice and quiet and paying attention because you're a good boy, and that's what you do. And if you're female, you're still a good boy, because that's what you do.

Cristina: They're all good boys.

Jack: They're all good boys. Also, a good boy is what you tell somebody who's fat or something. Who's fat? Like a. Like a fat dog is a good boy.

Cristina: Really? Not a regular dog.

Jack: No, it's just a fat dog is a good boy.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: I don't know. I don't make up the rules.

Cristina: How. Where did this rule come from?

Jack: The Internet.

Cristina: The Internet? You read that on the Internet?

Jack: I see it consistently. If you see a fat dog, they'll be, oh, it's a good boy.

Cristina: It's a good boy.

Jack: Yeah, they'll say, it's a good boy.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Good boy.

Cristina: I thought they were just saying that to all dogs.

Jack: Boy. It's a good boy. Yeah, it's a good boy. Anyways, Martin Luther King Day is coming soon. That's in two days. It's Monday. It's coming Monday and celebrating Happy Martin Luther King Day.

Cristina: How do you celebrate.

Jack: How do you celebrate Martin Luther King Day?

Cristina: Yeah. You read his speeches?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Are you supposed to have them memorized by heart and then just, like, read aligned? I mean, tell a line to everyone you see on that day. You say, happy Martin Luther King and a random cult.

Jack: You reinforce segregation for that day so that people have to fight against it in honor of Martin Luther King's fight against segregation. So you have to be extra racist so that black people get extra civil rightsy and as a result, celebrate. You're trying to make black people celebrate Martin Luther King by being very racist to them and forcing segregation casually so they don't even realize it's a celebration you're doing, but you're being a good celebrity.

Cristina: They don't know how everyone else is supposed to celebrate it. They just think people are just being racist.

Jack: So for that one day, civil rights jumps way up.

Cristina: That sounds awful.

Jack: What do you mean? But then at the end of the day, they feel like we fought back and we got this and they feel so accomplished because they, they made it to the other side and segregation ends. They feel like Martin Luther King, except he never saw that happen because he died. So the. I guess in theory the most accurate way that this happens is you get really, really racist to anybody who's dark or like more than caramel. And then you force segregation.

Cristina: That's horrible. That's even worse.

Jack: What do you. This is the best way to do it.

Jack: So that the day is celebrated. It's. Hey, I don't.

Cristina: I don't think so. Right, because we're celebrating his death. What are we doing?

Jack: We're celebrating his. Him. Everything is involving him. But no, this is crazy, right? Because this means, like, I hope nobody celebrates Hitler Day, you know, because based on that logic, it's going to be dark.

Cristina: There is no Hitler Day.

Jack: Why isn't there, man? Is there Hitler Day in Germany?

Cristina: No.

Jack: No, they can't just like Jewish Survival day or something. Can you imagine Hitler Day? Should we start Hitler Day?

Cristina: And what would Hitler baby.

Jack: Oh man, you know. Do you know what Hitler Day is based on what I told you Martin Luther King day is? No, it's two plus two equals four, bro. It's going to be a dark day. But we can only celebrate that in Germany anyways. Which means for one day a year, Germany is empty of Jews. Because they're like, no, we're not going to be here for that day. We all take a vacation on Hitler Day.

Cristina: Is it like the purge?

Jack: Yeah, I guess. So Germany still has Hitler Day.

Cristina: No, it doesn't.

Jack: Yeah, it does.

Cristina: It still has Hitler Day. I mean, it made Hitler Day.

Jack: Well, I guess Hitler Day happened after Hitler's death. So once a year a mass extinction happens. Or not extinction, but you know, pretty severe moment on Jews.

Cristina: Or should it be on Nazis?

Jack: I guess. I don't know, man, because we gotta talk about everything that the Jews go through on. No, that's Hitler. Everything Hitler. Yeah, I guess so. So the first Reich has to rise and fall within that day.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But on N*** Day you go through the murder of Jews and then all the Nazis get arrested by Americans. So on day one, I guess, I guess you could say that N*** day is a week long. It's not N*** Day, it's N*** Week. Right. And so the Beginning of the week starts with a bunch of people rallying together. The second day is them, like, going and capturing a bunch of Jews. The third day is them starting to take Jew lives. The fourth day is the middle of the week, Right. Seven days of the week. The very middle. So here is. This is the peak. Right. This is the top. This climax point. So here you take. Yeah. Deaths. But also, it's the one day, is the first day that Americans show up to celebrate.

Cristina: And why are they celebrating?

Jack: Because they claim they stopped the war.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Although everybody else and their mother was already there waiting.

Cristina: So they're there to stop it.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. So on the fourth day, Americans are like, oh, yeah, it's our first day of Nazis Day, of N*** Week. So then it's. We go. We take trips, and they take trips to Germany, where then they start, for the next three days, purge, hunting the Germans.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And the ones that they can't kill before the last day, they have to arrest on the last day.

Cristina: They're supposed to be killing them. Yeah, well, they're killing, too.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: You're trying to kill them, and they're just not killing this whole time, too. Like, they're killing even after day four.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. They keep killing. They don't stop killing until day seven.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: When whoever takes the place of Hitler, it's kind of like. Which is weird, bro. Like, all jokes aside, you know how strange it is that we have, like, reenactments of the Confederate War?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: This weird is a weird.

Cristina: I don't know. That's for history lovers, I guess. I guess, like, there's reenactment of many different. I'm assuming. I'm assuming. I can't imagine that that's the only thing people want to reenact.

Jack: Like, do people go around reenacting World War II?

Cristina: Possibly.

Jack: But look, there's video games about the worst day of many people's lives. There's so Many World War II video games and movies.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Some are just based on real s*** that happened. And it's like, you just. You know, for entertainment's sake, we're gonna go to the theater and watch somebody's actual misery unfold.

Cristina: Yes. But we love stuff like that. We love stuff like that, so why not reenact?

Jack: It's like that Ted Bundy show, right? It's like, here, watch something that did happen to people who are real and was totally horrible in every possible way. And we're gonna make money off it, and you're gonna enjoy it.

Cristina: Yeah. One day there'll be a VR version where you get to play as Ted Bundy.

Jack: It's gonna be great. People are gonna love it. You get to rape all the women and then kill them all.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: I can't wait. It's gonna be great.

Cristina: How far? It's so horrible.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I mean, maybe no one will want to play the VR. Maybe they want to just watch him do it. They don to be him.

Jack: On the flip side, I'm sure there's some people who fantasize about being seduced by him and then raped and then murdered.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or murdered and raped, regardless of what order he decided to do things in any given moment.

Cristina: I guess there's different versions of this game. You can play as him. You can play just watching him. You can play as the victim.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Whoever you want to be in his story.

Jack: It's capitalism, bro. If it sells, it tells.

Cristina: Oh, that's so horrible.

Jack: Anything is fair game. That's why I'm still kind of shocked we don't have petal dolls. Like, that's a market that is. I mean, let's be fair. Some places have pedal dolls, but, like, this is America. Why don't we have pedo dolls?

Cristina: I feel like if you have dolls that are made from anime characters, that's good enough, Right?

Jack: You think, like, what about guys who only fantasize about. I say guys, but I guess women do it too. Who only fantasize about. Like, that's sexism right there, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, that's a double standard. I'm like, guys rape children. Was like, no. There's probably women doing it too.

Cristina: Yeah. How dare you? What about those women rapists?

Jack: Yeah. No, it's crazy because the logic is that women get raped but don't rape, and men can't get raped but do rape. But it's like, that doesn't make any f****** sense. Of course. Both sides rape and both sides get raped.

Cristina: Yes. Yes.

Jack: That is the only thing that makes sense.

Cristina: Yes. As far as I know, only female teachers rape. Oh, no, actually, both sides rape. They both rape students. It sucks. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. Who the f***. It's not like the craziest part about. If you're male and your teacher, quote, rapes you, unquote, and you're suped. Don't. Don't f*** that person's life up because you're f******. Bro, Are you kidding me?

Cristina: If you're a male teacher.

Jack: No, if you're male student and a female teacher rapes you allegedly. But you enjoyed it and you just kind of want to Brat and share with the homies. Don't. You're telling them not to wait till you're 18. If it was up and they forced you to do. Tell everybody. Yeah, you tell everyone that, bro. You rat on her, you find her family, send her them photos of the rape. I don't give a.

Cristina: But if there's someone who enjoyed it.

Jack: And wanted it, you enjoyed it. They enjoyed it. It was consensual, even if illegal, because we made up laws around that. Just shut the f*** up. You're gonna get somebody in trouble when you don't want to.

Cristina: Oh, it's weird.

Jack: But look, we made up the idea of a child that happened in 1960s that we legislated in England. First, the concept of a child.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then we built laws around that, not giving a f*** because our grandparents were still like 12 year olds having children. S***. You know, like whatever. If you feel you gave consent, don't f*** somebody up. If you feel it was f***** up and wrong, do whatever you got.

Cristina: These are all horrible holidays. If Ted Bundy holiday and Peto. Boto Day.

Jack: Pedo day. What? No, it has to be based around somebody. I wonder if there's a Pedo Day.

Cristina: Why not?

Jack: Why not?

Cristina: I don't know. There's a Penguin Day.

Jack: There's a Penguin Day. That's this week too.

Cristina: That's this week too.

Jack: It's funny because that's actually related to Martin Luther King.

Cristina: How is it related to Martha Luther King?

Jack: Well, there's a. The idea of penguins, not of penguins. Everything surrounding the Flat Earth Coalition has to do a lot with Martin Luther King and penguins.

Cristina: He has something to do with what?

Jack: The Flat Earth Coalition.

Cristina: What's that?

Jack: Us. Everything.

Cristina: Everything.

Jack: Reality.

Cristina: Reality.

Jack: Not reality really, but like the. Okay, I'll explain. Let's paint the picture. So people who don't understand flat Earth believe that the Flat Earthers believe, which a lot of people who are Flat Earthers and are idiots because they themselves didn't go check the facts or whatever. They believe that there is a wall of ice surrounding Earth region of.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: And that on the other side, it goes on forever. And that is reality just goes on more land forever. And that there's rich people out there or other civilizations or whatever, blah, blah, blah, blizzards, whatever. Lizards come from the universe too, but whatever. We don't f****** ask questions. So in the case of Earth, Earth is a. Is a. Both round and flat. You could say is both round and flat.

Cristina: But the part we're on is the flat part.

Jack: It's not really flat. But the curvature is so minimal. But to get a good visual of what we're talking about here, the best idea I have of interpreting it is if you look at a globe and you see the size of Puerto Rico on the globe, and then you draw a circle around Puerto Rico on the globe.

Cristina: Yes. And then you be a very small circle.

Jack: Very small circle. And then you take a map, a world map, but not on a globe. A flat world map, and then you shrink that world map till everything fits inside the circle. You drew where Puerto Rico was, and you put it inside the circle, and then you back up from the globe.

Cristina: And then that's the real Earth.

Jack: That's what we. What we call Earth is really just the flat part of Earth. We call that one region Earth, when in reality that's flat. Yeah. We're so small. That's flatter. Flat Earth is inside that. Now we're still on a sphere.

Cristina: That's humongous.

Jack: That's humongous. But we are not accessing any of that. We're not allowed to. There's no point in doing it. We work for people who easily come in and out, and we're allowed in and out. But the outside of the wall isn't allowed. The commoners.

Cristina: Yeah, we're not really allowed to investigate any of that.

Jack: Exactly. As you know. We're not really. Because our jurisdiction is inside the flat earth circle.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Anything outside the flat earth circle that is not our business. What's happening out there, we don't discuss. It doesn't matter. We don't know. We're not supposed to know. It doesn't matter. Now, Martin Luther King had to get certain things legislated, but because the powers that be in land, rich people with a lot of ignorance behind them refused to do things properly. So Martin Luther King had to get in contact with their higher ups.

Cristina: So outside the people, outside the wall.

Jack: No. Yeah. He actually had to get in contact with the President of the United States from that time, which was Lyndon Johnson, I believe. And so he got in contact with, like, I could be botching his name. I'm not sure. But Lyndon Johnson. He got in touch with Lyndon Johnson. They had many secret meetings that have been. Some of them were secretly recorded. There's conversations that have proof of. And in those conversations, he got Lyndon to agree because Martin Luther King is not allowed outside a circle. But as a world leader, world leaders can go outside. World leaders can go outside if they have reason to.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so he got Lyndon Johnson to agree. And Lyndon Johnson now World leaders themselves have to go. You can't send somebody who works for you. You have to go yourself. Your people can escort you to the barrier. Yeah, but they are not allowed out. No, only you as a leader. Because now you enter in your the bottom of the barrel. Outside, you might be the top of the s*** inside flat earth, but outside flat earth, in round earth, you're nothing. You're nothing. You're just the bottom you entered at the bottom.

Cristina: But you can go there to ask for help.

Jack: Yes. So basically, Lyndon Johnson goes to the overlords that are outside the flat earth ring and asks for help, because the people with money within the flat earth ring are lobbying to keep laws the way they are and to allow segregation to continue and to allow s***** housing conditions. And so he needed to jump over money with power. So he got in contact with the overlords. Overlords agreed to help and they got people to go in and make the people with money completely obsolete, thus easily legislating the end of legal segregation, allowing for better housing conditions for people of color and just things like that.

Cristina: And what do the penguins have to do with that?

Jack: Well, the penguins are. Well, I guess this is a different explanation. But the ice wall surrounding all of flat earth is guarded by a possibly chimera of some sort, which is a penguin. We're not sure if it's a human combined with some other creature, but a penguin, as you know, we have no birds. That's not a thing. They never evolved from dinosaurs or anything. But we do have penguins, which are biological.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So there's some made up invention that's happened over here. And so penguins are absurdly overpowered, absurdly fast, kind of like a hippo, you know, just really strong, really fast, really intelligent. And they guard the wall.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If you were to try to cross without permission, they'll kill you. They can easily dispose of you. It would be so effortless.

Cristina: What? Yeah, they have powers. Well, not any, like superpowers.

Jack: Not necessarily superpowers, but astound abilities. For example, you know, penguins are very quick swimmers. Well, quick is an understatement. We see, you know, Discovery Channel telling us about penguins, and those are in inland penguins. We're not looking at penguins guarding the border. When we go to those penguins, we're talking about things that move, you know, 100 miles per hour in the water. What, like you couldn't get away on a boat if you wanted to? Yeah, things with skin as thick as elephant skin.

Cristina: That's ridiculous.

Jack: A torpedo in the water, basically.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: They're kind of overpowered.

Cristina: They're torpedoes in the water.

Jack: What, and they can walk inland way to the other side. They are.

Cristina: Who escorts you to the other side?

Jack: To the other side. And it's not an easy walk. It is far and they will take. Luckily they have villages set up and they can. The penguins can take you to their villages. There are probably. There's several stops. Several stops between the entrance of the wall on our side and the exit of the wall on their side. Miles and miles and miles.

Cristina: We don't know how long exactly.

Jack: I don't know. Ex. What was the last time we went there? You know, it's. Yeah, I don't know, but. Yeah. So those penguins, you know, they stop at villages, many pit stops. We can have machinery. So we gotta kind of get a shortcut. We pass all that s***. We don't really. But like these people don't.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So the president had to go and go through this whole trail.

Cristina: Penguin people. Penguin people or whatever we want to call them. We call them penguins. But they're not really what people think of as penguins.

Jack: Yeah, my. My thing is that perhaps there was some creature that existed ahead of time. And when the overlords decided that we should cut off the flat earth section of the planet and let them develop on their own, that around this time is when penguins were made. And we know that things like adrenochrome exist. I'm thinking that penguins are an entire other creature that was maybe given adrenochrome and resulted in the penguin happening.

Cristina: Okay. Of course, of course, of course.

Jack: That's how it would play.

Cristina: That's how.

Jack: Yeah, that's how it would play. I didn't just figure that out now as I was talking. That's exactly what would happen. Right, so the penguins, obviously, I've known this this whole time.

Cristina: Something else.

Jack: Yeah, they were something else. And then they got a dream come. We don't know what they were. So maybe some creature from the other side of the wall.

Cristina: Oh, I thought they were fairies, actually.

Jack: Yes, yes, you're actually right. You're actually right. They are actually fairies which don't really need adrenochrome. Adrenochrome.

Cristina: I mean, if a fairy is addicted to adrenochrome level, that's probably the reward, to be fair.

Jack: Yeah, because they. Well, fairies are already overpowered. Next to like a regular human.

Cristina: Yeah. Why would they be doing this? You said it's some type of chimera. So maybe it's somehow a hybrid fairy, non fairy culture.

Jack: Well, here's what's interesting interesting about this? We know they can shapeshift as well.

Cristina: No way.

Jack: Yeah, we know penguins can shapeshift. I'm assuming that that form that we call penguin is their default form. But like, I don't know, maybe could be wrong. They could look like some whole other.

Cristina: Yeah, but. it's so weird. They can transform. They can.

Jack: They shapeshift?

Cristina: Shapeshift?

Jack: Yeah, they can shapeshift.

Cristina: What? Yeah, they're shape shifting into bullets.

Jack: They could, I mean, I guess, but now they move so fast in the water, they could probably alter their shape to be really sharp and pierce through a boat that's trying to go through. Hence all the boats that get lost out there.

Cristina: But aren't there other animals that live up there? Are those actual animals?

Jack: No, they live way into the no life zone.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It's the wall. Not just a place with Arctic conditions. They are in the depths of the Arctic. It's the actual everything dies here zone.

Cristina: So no bears or anything?

Jack: No, they need to be where there's trees and they need to be where there are other animals to eat.

Cristina: Okay. And this spot is just.

Jack: This is way away from dead snow. Dead snow? Technically not even like ground.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because there's no land up there. It's ice. It's just if the ice melted, there would be nowhere to stand. That's what it is up there. The fear that the people on the other side, you know, the Illuminati headquarters and like the Freemasons and just everybody on the other side, you know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Their fear is that the planet is getting hotter and the wall is slowly dissipating.

Cristina: Is it the whole planet or just our part of the planet that we're burning up?

Jack: It's our part of the planet. Our emissions from inside of our ring.

Cristina: In Flat Earth, it's breaking the ice wall.

Jack: It's melting the ice wall. The ice wall. The problem is that it's not dispersing because the ice wall is pretty big and so the heat is trapped inside. If it could just go up enough and leave, that'd be fine. Just roll evenly spread out evenly across the rest of round Earth. But no, it's trapped inside the flat Earth region. So it's melting the walls, trying to get out.

Cristina: Is there a way we can stop that from happening?

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. We're still waiting on reports for that to find out what we could do.

Cristina: We can't figure it out.

Jack: It's not a job. It's not our job.

Cristina: Should do something.

Jack: We do things about flat Earth and we deal with outer space. We don't deal with round Earth. It is not our job.

Cristina: What? That's so part of our job? Sort of.

Jack: I mean, everything that we'd do to fix a planet is already sort of in our wheelhouse. But there are other people for that and that's their job. And when they. I get that we're the top and we should like, have dibs on what jobs. But we don't have dibs on what jobs.

Cristina: But we've solved so many things.

Jack: Okay, but we also have a bunch of s*** that's pending.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So we kind of. They need us to stay focused.

Cristina: Yeah. Because.

Jack: Yeah. Okay, what happens? We successfully figure out the wall problem and we sleep on the f****** cat people. Next thing you know, they've made crazy advancements and show up on our doorstep. How? How do we win that fight?

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: We can't.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Does. Does stupid global heating bullshit compete with an overpowered, scientifically advanced creature so far ahead of us that it's basically a God?

Cristina: We should just send them some zombies. That's all we need to do.

Jack: Kind of genius. We should just send some zombies through the pyramids and just poof, they're over there and see what happens. But they're so advanced they could cure that. Again, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. We're too primitive. We need to figure out kidnapping one of them and getting them talking. We need to separate them from.

Cristina: You wanna. From space.

Jack: They told us where their gods are. Yeah, we kidnapped the ones from the bottom of Lake Loch Ness.

Cristina: Oh yeah.

Jack: And they told us about the ones up there in the Great Void. Yeah, we need the ones from the Great Void. The ones in Loch Ness were an independent group. Once we have the one, at least one from the Great Void, we can ask about the technology that allows the Great Void to exist. And chances are that's enough to also solve the. The heat problem.

Cristina: The heat problem. Yeah, I guess so. We can get back to it eventually.

Jack: Well, we're gonna give that data. They have all our information.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They'll apply. They'll give it that data to the team working on the heating problem.

Cristina: I still feel like that portal we should be worried about because somehow time is messed up.

Jack: Yeah, this is exactly my point. You see, like we have things that trump the h*** out of slightly warm, you know, I guess, godlike cats that probably angry that we've captured, tortured and murdered some of their people. And probably Plotting some s***. F****** a whole rift through space time that leads to an entirely different universe that we should probably pay attention to. We got problems.

Cristina: Yeah, I'm starting to think they were trying to stop us somehow. Like they knew we were gonna ruin space time.

Jack: Who? The cat people?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know what you just said that I find really interesting?

Cristina: What?

Jack: And we'll come back to the f******. The wall in a second. But like, it's actually pretty interesting. But going off the idea that the cat people are in fact trying to stop us. Right.

Cristina: Yes, right, right.

Jack: Just. Just curiously following that train of thought. There was a version of me with a time machine.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Actively went forward in time to completely dismantle Earth.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And assuming that they're so advanced they also have time machines, they know this happened and they're probably actively trying to come up with a plan to stop it.

Cristina: Huh? Oh, crap.

Jack: And that's probably what we stumbled upon.

Cristina: Then we have to get to them before they get to us. Us? Well, you specifically.

Jack: Well, they need to get to the past version of me that got to the machine.

Cristina: Yes. So we gotta do something before that happens.

Jack: Well, yeah, that happened in the past. There's nothing we could do. We would need to use the machine to go back in time. But we know the rule.

Cristina: That past you knew about the future. So is that past you even a past you or a future you that we haven't met yet or like the whole time thing is all messed up? Everything is messed up already. We don't know the order of anything.

Jack: Yeah, we don't know the order of anything because simply the fact that. Simply the fact that this hole exists is a f****** problem in time. Because chances are it exists before the time that causes rift that made it exist. So. Okay, that's f*****.

Cristina: Yes. I think this all started, though, because we stole the time machine. Maybe this not the time machine. Did we destroy it?

Jack: No, we have the time machine. We just don't use it because.

Cristina: No. Destroying the one in the middle of the Earth, I think might have messed up everything.

Jack: Oh, but that wasn't a time machine. That was a portal.

Cristina: That was a portal.

Jack: That was the reptilian portal to Universe two.

Cristina: Yes. Then the portal in my backyard. I think the portals, like, messed with time somehow.

Jack: I mean, yeah, they're crossing space. Yeah, we destroyed it. And space time is one thing.

Cristina: So. Yeah, I think that really has something to do with why everything's screwed up.

Jack: Yeah, but it's funny because we've had the portal in your backyard since before we destroyed the Portal that was connecting Earth 1 and 2.

Cristina: Yeah, but. I know it doesn't make sense, but you were stopping cat people before we knew cat people were in danger.

Jack: Before you and I knew cat people.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: But I didn't. We didn't exist yet. Yeah, we were cloned afterwards.

Cristina: Yeah, it's weird still, but we don't know if that. That was another clone of you or that was just you in the future, because it's a time machine. We don't know which version of you that really is.

Jack: Yeah, we do, because he was sending people. He wasn't going there himself. He took one trip and came back and then started sending people out.

Cristina: But we don't know where he came.

Jack: Yeah, we do.

Cristina: We do know.

Jack: Yeah, we know that he was from this time sending people forward to prevent the cat peoples.

Cristina: But how did he know about that unless he was.

Jack: Because he went to the future with the time machine and saw it. He saw the cat people had taken over the world and went back in time to his time, and then would charge people to go to the future and would send them to random periods of time so they'd repopulate and overthrow the capipultimate. I remember that vividly.

Cristina: You don't think he was just from the future?

Jack: No, no, no, no, no. That wouldn't make sense because that's too far in the future. If it was repopulated.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: He had to have been from here because that's hundreds of years in the future. I'm not immortal. No, it's just me. But he took a time machine to the future, was like, no, this ain't happening. Came back and tried to f*** it up. Yeah, apparently successfully.

Cristina: Well, we don't know how successful, I guess. I don't know.

Jack: Fair enough. It could be that his attempt at stopping the future then force the cat people to advance dramatically in our own time.

Cristina: Oh, so that's the case.

Jack: Can you imagine? Just trying to stop them made it worse so that it happened sooner.

Cristina: Exactly. Should we be worried about that?

Jack: Well, we should be with. This is why we're focusing on these things.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: This is why we're not bothering with stopping global warming.

Cristina: All right?

Jack: Or it's not even global warming, it's climate change.

Cristina: And just in this area.

Jack: And just in this area, it's not global.

Cristina: Yeah. All right.

Jack: Yeah. So that's pretty much what's happening there. And actually how Martin Luther King relates to the penguins in the first place.

Cristina: And that's why those holidays are so close. No, it has nothing to do with.

Jack: Holidays are so close.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just coincidence.

Cristina: And that's why it said Bundy should have his own holiday.

Jack: Something like that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. But yeah. Kind of interesting, right? So the road that. Because everything has that kind of seven degrees of separation or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: At least that existed back then. Now I believe it's two degrees of separation.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Or no, three. You and two other people connect to everyone in the world.

Cristina: Why? What does it never jump up so quick?

Jack: Internet.

Cristina: The Internet? Oh.

Jack: I guarantee you that on some social platform, you follow one person who's followed by billions. Maybe not billions, but millions and millions and millions.

Cristina: I follow someone who follows my. A Martin Luther King fake account.

Jack: Yeah. You at least follow one person who follows some body who knows who is following a million people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or you follow someone who follows a million people and by default, that person connected to everybody is then connected all the people. That's how it goes. So everybody's connected in that way. It's like 2 degrees or 3 degrees now.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: It was greater when that movie came out. Seven degrees of separation.

Cristina: Yeah, it was exactly seven.

Jack: I believe on average calculation was six to seven people.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: About two to three years after that movie came out. It was already five.

Cristina: Wow. And soon it'll be one. No, that's impossible. That's so impossible.

Jack: What do you mean? Of course soon it's gonna be one with VR.

Cristina: Is that how it's gonna be one? No, it's.

Jack: What. What would be. It could be in an isolated bubble in VR.

Cristina: So how are you gonna know everybody?

Jack: Because the connection gap is what's closing. Do you personally know, like, Eminem?

Cristina: No.

Jack: Do you follow him?

Cristina: Probably.

Jack: So like, what the fu. Of course, it's not like you're. You don't need any additional anything for.

Cristina: So you don't really need to know anyone.

Jack: You don't need to know anybody. You're just connected to everybody.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay, I see.

Jack: It's about how many moves you have to do to send somebody. Like a message.

Cristina: Mm. You know, all right, I guess I see how that works.

Jack: Yeah. That's the degrees of separation. You need to know everybody.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But I guarantee you there's only two people between you and the President of the United States.

Cristina: Probably.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: See how fascinating how penguins relate, right? Yeah, they kind of relate to everything. Because you always have to go through penguins to get anywhere.

Cristina: To get anywhere? What do you mean? Or you just mean outside?

Jack: Outside. To get anywhere outside of flat earth.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The ring where they are the obvious place where I said they were.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To get through there. They're related to that.

Cristina: Yes. And they're related to Michael. Wow. I think I keep saying Michael Martin. And they're related to Martin.

Jack: Martin Luther King. Well, they're related to everything. Anybody who needs to get out.

Cristina: Anyone who needs to get out. Yes. And that's just the people on top.

Jack: He said, well, we don't know. We know the people on top are out there.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: We don't know what else. Again, none of our business.

Cristina: None of our business.

Jack: It would be crazy if everything out there is way the f*** bigger and it's just two corporations out there. I guess not corporations, but organizations out there and nothing else. Everything else is just empty. Let's assume that's wrong.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And there's probably other crap out there, but nothing that concerns us, man.

Cristina: How do we know that there aren't cat people out there?

Jack: Doesn't matter.

Cristina: Doesn't matter.

Jack: Nothing outside of that matters. Nothing you say will make it matter. We have no answers for anything outside of that.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we probably never will. No, because it doesn't matter to us. There's somebody who's in charge of dealing with that, and I hope they're good.

Cristina: At their job, and they could always promote us to be working there.

Jack: I feel like that would be a downgrade.

Cristina: You think so?

Jack: Working on round Earth as opposed to working with everything else in the universe.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I like the reach and power I have. They don't have subhumans just doing everything they want because of humans. Subhumans are a flat earth thing.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Really?

Jack: Yes. China is a flat earth thing?

Cristina: Yeah. They have to have things similar, though.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: I don't know. Well, we don't know, I guess. No.

Jack: Yeah. Like, I don't know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They don't have china. I know that much. We have china.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And because of that, I believe that a hundred percent. Like, yeah, they don't have what we have. But there's more stuff out there.

Cristina: But what else do you know about penguins as, like.

Jack: Well, how do you mean?

Cristina: Like their history or anything?

Jack: I don't know crap about penguins. I know that penguins are from the other side. I don't know what creature is that. It's. If it's a fairy. If it's factually a fairy. I believe it is a fairy of some sort. I don't know which side of the shadow realm it comes from. I don't know what benefits it gets for being on this side. Because fairies are the only creatures we know who can travel all the Planes without needing adrenochrome or fear in order to manifest.

Cristina: But there aren't any stories about them.

Jack: Not that I know. They've never been a problem to us, so we have no reason to, like, deep dive into them. We've not trying to stop anything. We're not trying to understand how they function. Because they're not a problem to us. They're guardians of the rules we already follow.

Cristina: Interesting. Lame.

Jack: Yeah. I'm sure there's interesting things about them, but they're peaceful creatures.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're not really out here trolling. In fact, they work for the good guys. There's no reason to like.

Cristina: But we researched chimeras before we knew that they were somehow involved with us.

Jack: Yeah, but chimeras have been known to do a bunch of bad s***, so it's useful information to know how to stop it.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: You know, the more we know, the better in the case of a penguin, like, what has a penguin ever really done other than protect the outside? And probably rightfully so, considering we destroy everything within the flat earth ring.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So, like, it makes sense that they're not letting us get through unless they think they're not gonna destroy everything over there. That's fair.

Cristina: Okay. How do people celebrate Penguin Day?

Jack: That is a fascinating question. I have no clue. Dressed like penguins. Everybody wears a suit.

Cristina: Everyone wears a suit. I don't know. A suit. What?

Jack: Suit and tie for Work Day.

Cristina: That is horrible.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Why is it horrible to celebrate penguins? I don't know. It doesn't relate at all.

Jack: All right. How would you celebrate Penguin Day?

Cristina: Eat fish whole? I don't know.

Jack: Do penguins eat fish whole?

Cristina: I have no idea what the penguins eat. Eat fish? I'm assuming that they do, man.

Jack: I actually have no f****** clue what penguins eat.

Cristina: It has to be fish.

Jack: What else is there? Right? Like, it has to be smaller than fish.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Whatever it's eating has to be fish size or smaller. The end.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because, like, what the f***, right? How does it. I don't know. How does it feel?

Cristina: You think they eat the seals? No. The seals.

Jack: I know seals eat penguins.

Cristina: Yeah. Huh?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know that much. Seals eat penguins.

Cristina: How are they doing that?

Jack: How are they doing what?

Cristina: Eating penguins if penguins are so strong?

Jack: Well, based on what they eat, we can assume we're talking about the weak ones in land, like, closer to us, rather than the ones guarding the wall.

Cristina: Because guarding the wall, ones are like soldiers.

Jack: They're soldiers?

Cristina: Yeah. And the rest are more like villagers.

Jack: Rest are more like retarded. Animals.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah, you know, like the, the low budget, low IQ ones.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Those are the failed experiments.

Jack: They're not experiments.

Cristina: Well, we don't know what they are.

Jack: I thought they're fairies.

Cristina: Aren't they fairies? I don't know. They're chimeras, maybe. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, like I'm pretty sure they're fairies. Okay, like there's a good 90, like 5% chance of fairies.

Cristina: What are the chances that they're just robots?

Jack: I don't know. Separate that other 5% into everything else and you have the answer to your question. Whatever that 5% is. How many things could they be? It's one fraction of that 5%. So smaller than 5% the chance of them being robots? Yes. If 95% of them being a fairy.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: And then being a robot. Well, it has to be less than 95%.

Cristina: And you're saying Chimeras is also less than 95%?

Jack: It's less than 5%.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Because if it's a chimera, then it has to fit with that 5% chance it's lingered. That means 2.5 for robot, 2.5 for chimera. Alright, you got some third option? Okay, then it's less.

Jack: So less than 5%. If 95 is the alternative, what about.

Cristina: The penguins at the zoos? What are those?

Jack: Those are the dumb penguins.

Cristina: Those are more dumb penguins.

Jack: This is just the average dumb penguins that didn't make the military.

Cristina: But aren't birds.

Jack: They're not birds. Have you ever seen a flying penguin?

Cristina: So you're saying birds are.

Jack: Do penguins have hollow bones and are they extremely light or are they heavy like mammals?

Cristina: Wait, they don't have hollow bones.

Jack: That's why they don't fly.

Cristina: Oh. What about other birds that can't fly?

Jack: Like an ostrich? Yeah, no, it's really f****** big. There's a different problem going on there. And its wings are not proportionate to its body.

Cristina: What about flamingos?

Jack: Flamingos fly.

Cristina: They do. Oh, okay.

Jack: Flamingos are great flyers, but also their body's structured in such a way that they're particularly thin and crazy light.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay, so they're.

Jack: An adult flamingo will be like £20 max.

Cristina: What? How tall can they get?

Jack: Like 5ft or something.

Cristina: What? That's crazy looking in the sky.

Jack: I mean, they're really skinny.

Cristina: Yeah, I don't know, it looks, it feels like it would be very alien to look at a giant, skinny pink thing in the sky.

Jack: Yeah, like gracefully flying.

Cristina: Yeah. Like we look like a worm in space or something. Like, what would we be looking up at?

Jack: I don't know. It's actually really interesting.

Cristina: That's so weird. So penguins, though, are special or the ones in the zoos. Yeah, that's sad. Okay, Special how? You said they're not like the. They're just the rejects of the.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because there's. You're thinking of it the wrong way, maybe.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Like there are. The ones at the wall are the elites.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Versus assuming that the other ones are the crappy ones. Mm, no, those are the normal ones.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The crappy ones are the normal ones. They're not crappy, they're just normal.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: While the other ones are just better than normal.

Cristina: All right, so there's normal penguins and super penguins. Super penguins. Okay.

Jack: The super penguins guard the wall, okay.

Cristina: Like the humans and superhumans. Alright?

Jack: Subhumans.

Cristina: Oh, subhumans. They're like superhumans. That's weird that we name them subhumans, okay?

Jack: They have no freedom. That's the one thing that makes humans human.

Cristina: But they're superhuman.

Jack: What's the super part? With no freedom, you're just garbage.

Jack: I say what you do when you do it, that makes you garbage.

Cristina: Is that the same with these penguins, though?

Jack: I guess. But we don't tell them what to do.

Cristina: Yeah, we don't. Yeah, someone's telling them what to do.

Jack: Someone's telling them what to do. And it's probably the leaders of the Freemasons or the Illuminati or the, you know, the top chain of command. They're the ones out there making those choices. Yeah, completely interesting though, how the penguins are part of everything.

Cristina: Then we should have a weekly celebration, not just a day. How do we decide What's a day celebration? What's week? What's month?

Jack: I do not know. Why is it Black History Month and not Black History Year? Why isn't every day Black History Day? When black history did not happen all in one day? When black people came to exist and ceased to exist, all in February, the shortest month. No, that's not how that happened, but okay, yes.

Cristina: A whole month, though. Penguins deserve a month.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: They protect us 100%.

Jack: You interact with black people more than penguins.

Cristina: You want that to have two months?

Jack: I don't know who black people. No, I'm saying, like, way less than penguins is. I mean, the penguins should have way less than black people because we interact with black people. Maybe outside the wall there's penguin year or some s***.

Cristina: Yeah, I Don't know. So we should have Black Year. What would that be?

Jack: No, I think it's fine the way it is.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Just Penguins get a day. That's fine.

Jack: Yeah. In fact, there shouldn't be black history. There should just be history that encompasses all. Everyone's version of everything.

Cristina: Isn't that what history is?

Jack: No, it just tells you the history of the people telling you a story.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: American history as told by Americans.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: World history as told by Americans. Like. No, tell me everybody else's version of this series of events so that I can take what I believe.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, what is the British version of America during the World Wars?

Jack: Exactly. Well, I know what the British version of America is during the World War, which is that the Americans only came after they knew it was safe enough.

Cristina: In both ways, though.

Jack: World War II.

Cristina: Yeah, but what happened in World War I? I don't know.

Jack: The British were involved in that.

Cristina: I don't know. I'm assuming it's a world war.

Jack: It was against Germany, too. I remember that.

Cristina: Yeah. You're saying they weren't involved. They should have been involved.

Jack: I'm sure they weren't involved. I asked if they were involved. I that don't know anything about World.

Cristina: War I. Oh, okay.

Jack: But in World War II, I am very aware that everyone else in the world except the United states agrees that 1. The United States were a bunch of p****** that waited till all the problems were dealt with to come in and basically deal with stragglers and then say, we ended the war. Everybody has that same story except the United States. That is like, we got there at the worst and we did the most work and we stopped the war. We won World War II.

Cristina: And their story is we came last minute.

Jack: Everybody else's story is the United States popped up last second, did the least amount of anything, and then took all the credit and told every. It's like the dude who showed up last second, there was only a button. There was only a button left to press. And the United States showed up as England is about to press the button that closes that last gate, and the United States pressed the button ahead, and he's like, I did it. That's basically everybody's story. The United States showed up, did what was already done. It's like, I did it.

Cristina: But did they blow things up probably.

Jack: After everybody's been blowing things up for, like, 20 years?

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: Actually, it's like 10 years, but you get the point.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: United States showed up all late and what blew up? Two, three, Things, and they're like, we did it. We stopped the war. No, you came as the war had already been established to end soon, and then that's when you popped up.

Cristina: Hey, we scared them to end it. I don't know.

Jack: Scared who to end what?

Cristina: I don't know. Whoever we were against the literal exact.

Jack: Same time frame was meant.

Cristina: Oh, not even like a day faster.

Jack: No, it was predicted that it would take, what, like seven months or something?

Cristina: Oh. And it's like, exactly.

Jack: Took about seven and a half months from the point that that prediction was made before the actual decline began. And around that period of time is when the United States. About the.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That's sad.

Jack: Just tragic. Tragic. Pathetic sadness. And then the United States being like, we did it. Like, you didn't do anything. We're out here for the last 10 years fixing the problem you were staying away from, and you came in last year.

Cristina: That's what a history should be from everyone's point of view.

Jack: Yeah, it should be from everybody's point of view. Like, I'm definitely sure that England has a different story on what the f*** happened when people came to the United States in the first place.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: You know, and it's like, well, they were a bunch of p******. Well, I'm actually interested in why the Americans left versus your version of trying to suppress people in the first place. So, like, you tell me. Well, we were suppressing our s*** and they were making it hard. And we came over here because we wanted to not be under their rule. Yes, versus. They were a bunch of delinquent, criminal rogues that were on the run and they decided to leave the country in order to not get arrested. Sounds like you were just angry they weren't doing what you said.

Cristina: But they left and they were still with them. They were still partners, weren't they? For a while. Like, they didn't, like, run away and say goodbye to Britain at the same time when they came to America.

Jack: Yeah, they did.

Cristina: They did.

Jack: Yeah. They actually came and started a whole new country.

Cristina: I know that, but I thought they were still working together.

Jack: How?

Cristina: How?

Jack: Yeah, like, in what scope are they working together? For what? To what end? If it was religious oppression and rights that they were being violated over there, they left the crap out of that. Why stay in contact with them to survive?

Cristina: Because they had nothing here until, like, they learned from the Indians, I guess.

Jack: Realize how long of a trip you're talking about to come here in a wooden boat across the ocean? What help could they send? And if you could make it back. Why would you come back here?

Cristina: But wasn't there a huge thing of like they had a war against the British while here, while they already settled down?

Jack: Yes. Wasn't that the British invading to reclaim the people who are theirs?

Cristina: I don't know what the timeline. Okay. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. The British American war was essentially trying to reclaim so that the Americans don't get their independence.

Cristina: Oh, all right.

Jack: Which then led to Independence Day where we did get our independence from the British.

Cristina: Alright.

Jack: Yeah. It wasn't that they were in cahoots.

Cristina: Why isn't that a month long? How do we decide?

Jack: I guess the end of the war is what we mark for wars.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So Independence Day happened on the day we got independence from England.

Cristina: When we have a day for a person, is that the day they were born or the day they died?

Jack: Usually neither.

Cristina: Neither.

Jack: No.

Cristina: It's an important day in their life.

Jack: I actually haven't the slightest clue. If we go back like Martin Luther King. I'm not sure what significance Martin Luther King Day has because I don't think it was his birthday. And I'm. He wasn't alive when civil rights things got done and that got done in many different parts at many different times. I'm not sure like what.

Cristina: What they chose.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: It was just like, this day is empty. Let's put it here.

Jack: Yeah. Well, it's close enough to Black month. Can you imagine? I mean, it's in January. Black History month is February. Like it's close enough to black moon throws. You know, white people being racist. Martin Luther King is the same as the rest of the black people. You know, put them in the same section of the year.

Cristina: Is there a day for other people though? Like, that were as important as him during that time. There's plenty of.

Jack: You mean everyone?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You mean everyone. Martin Luther King is the least important guy in the civil rights movement. He was the kindest.

Cristina: So all those other people deserve a day.

Jack: They do. Where the f*** is Rosa Parks Day? There might be a Rosa Parks Day.

Cristina: I don't f****** know. There might be.

Jack: There might be. There might be Malcolm X Day. Those are people who were acted like, I don't like Martin Luther King, man. And I know that's controversial. People just freak the f*** out. Any lefty listening to this had a heart attack. But like, why would you support a guy whose initial move isn't to make white people accept black culture, but rather kill black culture by having black people assimilate to white culture? Get the f*** out of Here. Shut the f*** up.

Cristina: He's.

Jack: He's a racist. He's a black guy who's racist to black people. And it's like, well, if you're tired of being treated like s***, act like the white people. It's like, what the f***, dude? Shut the f*** up. Malcolm X had it right. He's like, we're gonna take the rights that belong to us, not beg them to let us be one of them. The f*** are you talking about, dude? That's why that movement f****** failed, because it's not gonna work. You're not gonna ask people to treat you like a person. And they're the ones with the power. They're just gonna do it. That's why today is still a struggle, because people worship the ground. The guy who was worshipping black people walks on. I mean, worshiping white people. He's a black guy who worshipped white people and wanted black people to assimilate to white people. And the people worship that ground, which then empowers the white people in the first place to continue the oppression. Because the leader of the black civil rights movement was on their side. Like, that's not right. Martin Luther King. Malcolm X is the right guy. He was like, they either treat us right or we f****** kill them until they do. We burn their buildings until they do. We kidnap. We still. We. We do whatever the f***.

Cristina: It was that violent?

Jack: It wasn't that violent. He was pretty aggressive. It was very confrontational. I'm exaggerating, obviously, but he was definitely like, we'll take it. We will take it. And that's where Martin Luther King and Malcolm X disagreed heavily.

Cristina: So for Martin Luther King Day, people should be celebrating Malcolm X.

Jack: Because he wanted black culture and values to survive the death of segregation.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He wanted black culture to stand on its own.

Cristina: Well, Martin wanted to.

Jack: He was like, whatever we need to do to survive, and if it means suppress our culture and assimilate to theirs, then we'll do that. But he preaches peace.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And he is a minister. And people follow God, follow Martin Luther King, because Malcolm X is too radical and extreme. And, like, so he's abusing his perception. Martin Luther King abuses perception to rally people behind him, which is powerful. Don't get me wrong. It's powerful. You can rally people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Behind ultimately a good thing, which is, let's stop the violence against black people. But your approach is also the death of black culture. Dude.

Cristina: But did he see it like that?

Jack: I don't know. That's a hard question. Right. Because we're not in his head.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But his wording is ultimately. Yeah, let's assimilate.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Whether he believes that to be the idea versus the fact that that's what's coming out of his mouth, I don't know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, it could have just been a means to an end to, like, hey, why people will accept the message if they hear us say, let's be like them.

Cristina: Like, the goal was more important than how we get to that goal.

Jack: Yeah. It was just like, let's stop the violence. Let's stop the abuse regardless of how we get there.

Cristina: Yeah. As long as we can end this segregation.

Jack: Yeah. As long as we get to live beyond this point, like, it's fine.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which. I get it. Yeah, totally. But, like, I rather die for what I believe in, you know? F*** your s***.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: F*** your s***. F*** your entire belief system. F*** all of it. Go kiss a**, bro. Not happening. Nope. I rather die and retain my identity, then live pretending to be somebody else.

Cristina: That's. That's pretty crazy. Yeah. I feel like most people would feel.

Jack: That way, too, except most people won't say that about Martin Luther King, even if that's what he represented, which were his primary disagreements with Malcolm X. Like, vocal disagreements that, no, we should. We shouldn't be becoming them. They either accept us as we are, or we will force them out of their places and take their seats.

Cristina: That would have been awesome.

Jack: That would have been awesome. But that didn't happen because the guy who ended up with the spotlight was the guy with the loudest microphone, who happened to be Martin Luther King. Who can get in a room with Lyndon Johnson to then get things accomplished in the first place.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Get voices from over the wall to hear him talking and then them coming in again. There's power behind this man's approach. You get to the penguins and you tell them, okay, this is the goal.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This is why I need to cross. And they're like, well, it's a peaceful message. No violence is happening. You're not bringing any violence to this side. In fact, you're coming over here to ask for assistance with peace. Could Malcolm X have accomplished that?

Cristina: Probably not.

Jack: Probably not.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But Martin Luther King managed to accomplish it because every angle is peace.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The problem is an entire hope that.

Cristina: He'S a pastor, though.

Jack: Yeah. A lot of things help the fact that he's a pastor and that he.

Cristina: Died for the peace.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: He does help that someone murdered him.

Jack: Yeah. It's the visual.

Cristina: Horrible.

Jack: It's the visual we get from Gandhi. It's a person who literally died preaching peace and didn't raise a hand at anyone the entire course.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: On the flip side, Gandhi was a bit of a racist and a slave owner, so whatever. But, like, you get my point.

Cristina: It's the image that we see.

Jack: It's the image you see that then conveys, like, people don't understand that Gandhi was a scumbag that was garbage to a lot of people, primarily his own people, and would support the idea that God is going to liberate you, so you must endure the hard times. Meanwhile, he's filthy rich and not enduring the hard times, but he also doesn't want them to come and take his riches. So they're like, you know, fear God, and so stay in your situation because he will save you. It's brainwashing. It's tactics.

Cristina: It's beautiful. I mean, it's wrong, But Martin Luther.

Jack: King, black man, 1960s, who owns a home and a car and gets to walk freely on the streets, usually without any trouble, because he's one of the white guys. Oh, he's to the guy who's trying to merge. Let him. And he says what to the people? Be peaceful. Be calm. Don't you raise a hand, because why? Well, I'm the leader of this movement. I'm reaping the benefits, not you. You're just the illusion that I'm building so that I can reap the benefits. Now, is he trying to get these benefits? I'm not saying he was. I don't know. I can tell you he had them.

Cristina: He had.

Jack: He factually, undoubtedly, unquestionably had the benefits. Now, was the gold the benefits? Probably not. I don't know. I wasn't in his head.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If somebody offers you a nice car and you're trying to make peace with them in the first place, are you gonna be like, nah, you're racist. You're like, it's a nice car, and I'm trying to make you happy, too. I'm gonna take your car and be like, thank you very much.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And you're like, well, you the one who could buy a house. Oh, s***. I wouldn't mind leaving a house to my children. Yeah, but, like, what about all the other black people who couldn't do any of that? You got a car. Your car's tires are popped immediately. Oh, stop being black in my neighborhood.

Cristina: Ow.

Jack: You got a house. Ooh. Crosses on fire on your lawn. Ooh. Ooh. Be scared. Get the f*** out of my neighborhood. But Martin. No, no, no. He could stay. He's one of us. He's just a white guy who's dark skinned.

Cristina: Burning crosses is a weird thing. Where does that idea come from? Having the slightest clue, I wonder, because it just seems like an evil thing. But these people who are doing it are very churchy people. I'm assuming they're religious, aren't they?

Jack: Yeah. They think it's not evil. They think this makes sense. I think black people are inherently evil.

Cristina: Okay. Because it's just like the imagery is horrifying.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. It seems so dark and twisted.

Cristina: Right? Yeah.

Jack: I don't know, man.

Cristina: They live in a world where that's fine. You should do that.

Jack: Yeah, I mean, I guess. Different times, right? But that's why I don't like it's complicated situation. Martin Luther King could get a lot done because of his message of peace. But also he has so many benefits that he takes away from that that nobody else has access to. The flip side is you end up following him through ignorance. You preach unity and equality. When he was preaching assimilation, who was preaching equality? Malcolm X, who was preaching unity, not assimilation? Malcolm X, who was preaching. They treat us as equal or we force them to Malcolm X. And then we have Martin Luther King who's like, shut the f*** up, put your head down, do what they say, don't be violent. And they will accept us. They're just scared of us. Look, once they're not scared of us, they'll be fine. We'll be fine. But we have to show them that we are just like them. We are just. I had a dream that little white girls, little black boys can be the same.

Cristina: Oh, when is that gonna happen?

Jack: But his dream was kind of, you know, it was very assimilated.

Cristina: People like it, I guess, because they're.

Jack: Not thinking about it. No, they think it means equality. They think Martin Luther King was preaching equality. And so they talk about Martin Luther King when they're talking about equality. But he was not the equality guy. He was the assimilation guy. Malcolm X was the equality guy. People do not understand that fact. Just because he had a louder microphone and he said, don't harm people. But the people who he's telling you not to harm are the people who are harming you. Well, Malcolm X is. They come and kill one of ours, then they better sleep with a f****** eye open. Because this night we're coming for one of theirs. That balance is beautiful. Atheos. Oh, Atheos loves Malcolm X. Oh, Atheos. So does Baphomet. God of balance, God of honesty and God of Balance both of them. Atheos and Baphomet on the side of Malcolm X. And chances are Atheos also supports Martin.

Cristina: Luther King because he's still being himself. He's still being honest.

Jack: He's being honest.

Cristina: Yeah, maybe, Maybe, maybe. We don't know.

Jack: There's a coin flip.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So knows.

Cristina: Like, maybe he was just ignoring the fact that he was getting all these benefits.

Jack: Yeah. There's no way Malcolm X preaching violence and aggression could have gotten the penguins to let him through. This could not have happened. Yeah, it is impossible. He would have never been heard out by the Illuminati. He would have never been heard out by the Freemasons or whoever f*** he talked to over there. And the help would have never arrived, and the laws would have never gotten passed, and nothing would have gotten done. On the flip side, nothing got f****** done. As it is, they sent the help. We got the laws through. And racism persists.

Cristina: Yes. But the segregation ends.

Jack: The segregation ended, okay, but then redlining became a m***********.

Cristina: What's redlining?

Jack: Redlining is when you district areas. Oh, so like, your area funds that school.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so because your area is poor, that school is poor, and all of you got s***** education. Okay, so they stop segregation. But they just said, well, that neighborhood is filled with black people. Make them all go to that one school. Say that if you live in this area code, you got to go to that school, and then make that area the only funding for the school. And then they got no funding. They stay stupid. We keep all the power anyways. Thanks, Martin Luther King. You did it. I don't know what the f*** you did, but it's worse now. Now we're stupid? Legally, yes. Yay. When it's like, at least before you were in, you had black people teaching you f****** things to survive. Now you got a white person who's also broke as h*** and went to a s***** f****** school teaching you broke s*** under TOR Lack of resources. So we're actively dumber than we were before Martin Luther King's s*** got done.

Cristina: We are dumber.

Jack: We are dumber because of the results.

Cristina: Because of him.

Jack: It's because of him. Yeah, you got your whole. Segregate segregation was literally better than the result of Martin Luther King's outcome. While had it been Malcolm X's outcome, we wouldn't have gotten the penguins to let him through. And definitely when he gets the other side, they're like, we're not helping you do violent s*** over there. Do it on your own. But if his way Led to any form of success.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Redlining wouldn't be a problem, because we would have dealt with that, too. Exactly.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Who dealt with that, too?

Cristina: Wow. Okay.

Jack: So we picked the wrong guy to stand behind.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We're like, oh, peace over violence. But it's like, maybe that was the moment for a little bit of war. Because now if you are colored and not in a position of privilege to begin with, you're staying under.

Cristina: Yeah. Every once in a while, there's gonna be a white race war. Because they're like, we're gonna. There is gonna be a civil war, so we got to start it.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: I don't know what these white people are doing, but every once in a while, they group up together and, like, we got to stop the civil war. And then they start attacking people, and it's like, what?

Jack: I don't get people.

Cristina: That's happened quite a few times.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, that happens pretty often.

Cristina: The fear of black people is very strong with them. And the Civil War, that never happened.

Jack: Yes. Because it was going to happen.

Cristina: They always start it, but no one fights back.

Jack: We're just watching them murder a bunch of black people.

Cristina: Yes. It's pretty horrible.

Jack: The lack of violence has resulted in white people understanding that in the 60s and 70s, they were extremely violent to black people. And their leader said, let it happen and show them that peace is the way. So they're. What they learned from that is, well, if we hurt them, they're gonna hurt us back. They never got that lesson. The lesson that they're passed forward is, well, if we hurt them, they're gonna shut the f*** up and take it. And our children can learn this fact and do whatever f*** they want. And their children can learn this fact and do whatever the f*** they want. Because if we hurt them, they're gonna go march. They're not gonna show up with guns on our d*** and go march. We got guns. What is their marching gonna do?

Cristina: Yeah, they got gun.

Jack: We got guns. We can stop them whenever we want, whenever we feel like it. Their solution to us raping, murdering, and pillaging is, they're gonna go march. Let the march. Let's kill them whenever we want. Who gives a s***?

Cristina: Yes, that's exactly.

Jack: That's the lesson anyways.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: That's how Martin Luther King connects to the penguins.

Cristina: If you didn't know.

Jack: If you didn't know. But yeah, Martin Luther King Day coming. Go celebrate that. However you know. However you celebrate, if you do.

Cristina: Dress up like a penguin.

Jack: Dress up like a penguin. Hey, none of these civil rights laws would have been passed if not for the penguins.

Cristina: Yes, that's what you should remember from.

Jack: Yeah, that's what you should take. Martin Luther King's laws to help stop segregation legally and to help housing and all those benefits for black people. That all happened because the penguins at the border of flat Earth let President Lyndon Johnson into round Earth on behalf of Martin Luther King to gain help to then overthrow the financial powers on this end and legislate successfully without a lot of resistance.

Cristina: Oh, that all makes sense.

Jack: That all makes perfect sense.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Anyways, if you guys want to find out more things about, I guess, holidays. Holidays. Because there isn't really anything about Martin Luther King or penguins going on, you can find all that stuff on. On the official website greatthoughts.info or on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or anywhere you get your podcasts.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok @JustConvopod.

Jack: Yes, and remember to subscribe. That's very important, especially if you are from Universe three, where nothing I just said sounds realistic. You can subscribe. So you get new episodes and make sure to rate and review. Tell us how Martin Luther King functions on your side of reality in your universe. What's happening over there with Martin Luther King? What are the penguins on the wall of your flat Earth? And have any of you. Are you guys allowed into the rounder section of your planet? How does that work? Tell us all about these things that we do not have the data on.

Cristina: Oh, that will be awesome. Yeah.

Jack: So leave us a rate and in the reviews or in comments, leave us that information.

Cristina: Yes. And that someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Very important that you do that. Share it with everybody and anyone. Anybody who's curious about the other universes that exist, they can come and listen to us talking about Universal One, which I guess in theory to you guys might be Universe two, if you didn't know that there's other universes. But whatever.

Cristina: Or if they somehow knew about two before they knew about us, then this.

Jack: Is three to them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But whatever the case is, this is one to us.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And yeah, let people know that this place is real, that they can learn about it.

Cristina: And this has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: Yeah, it's alive. It's a cell that functions without blood, meaning it's exactly what would need to be in poop, because there's no circulatory system. And it's exactly what could survive in that environment.

Cristina: Poop is alive is not alive. Poop is just made out of stuff.

Jack: So are we.

Cristina: It's not connected in any way. It doesn't have a real body.

Jack: The poop is the body.

Cristina: But once you touch, it breaks apart. I would think. I don't know, you know, like it's not a real solid body.

Jack: What are you talking about? Of course the poop is alive. Poop is living. We've, we've, we've brought that to a conclusion. There's not a debate here. It's made of living bacteria and living cells.

Cristina: That's enough.

Jack: That's enough. We're made of living cells. Tells as well.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

November 12, 2021

Rambling 151: Powerful Beings

November 12, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

Was Jehovah a single person or a group of people? Are Jehovah’s angels just Zeus’ children rewritten? Are the soldiers in Jehovah’s army (angels) roughly as powerful as Jehovah, but they merely believe in his philosophy and follow him rather than attempting to replace him? The duo unpack the possibility that Jehovah and his angels were merely a powerful group of humans with adrenochrome on their side at war with other factions of humans achieving the same abilities awarded by adrenochrome but through other rituals and traditions. What they discover about Hitler and Jehovah in the process is something no one could have ever predicted!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

Hitler
Zeus
Jehovah
Adrenochrome
Power
Biblical Giants
Small Humans
Biblical Metaphors
Omniscience
Nothingness
The Garden of Eden

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Jack: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised. Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released. Released.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. So be sure to pull someone close and scream at them that this is the show. This, the Just Conversation podcast, is the show. You're gonna be like, what do you mean? And you're gonna be like, it's the show. Be like, but what? The show.

Cristina: The what?

Jack: Which of the many? And why is this? And it's like, no, no, no, it's the show. There's one show and it's that show. It's like, no, but what about, like, Supernatural? And it's like, no, no, no, no. That's not real. Only the Just Conversation podcast is real.

Cristina: Is a real show or is real like.

Jack: No, it's a real show.

Cristina: Historically, both. Okay.

Jack: We are the show that's ever existed. Everything else is an illusion created by the Matrix. Anyway, so we were talking about how Jehovah.

Cristina: Right.

Jack: Everybody listening? We're back on this.

Cristina: Yes, whatever. We can't help it.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the angels are based on the Greek gods. We know that exact thing. Even with the Dead Sea Scrolls continuously being uncovered, all we're finding out is that it's basically a copy and paste of a bunch of Greek mythology s***.

Cristina: Yes, that sounds right.

Jack: So the same way that all the angels, all the gods were sort of equal to Zeus, maybe slightly less powerful, but they were equal in that Zeus is a demigod. He's a flesh person who you can kill and will stay dead. And all the other gods are essentially the same thing. My argument is that Jehovah, being based on this, works the same way. Now, he is the loudest, and he claims to be the one and only God, but I think all the angels are.

Cristina: Would it be equal to him?

Jack: Would be equal to him to some degree.

Cristina: Like, all the demigods would be equal.

Jack: To Zeus, all the gods to Zeus the way. All the angels to Jehovah. And the example I have is that Hitler was one man.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And there were millions of soldiers under his control, but they're all men.

Cristina: I mean, they were all equal to him.

Jack: Yeah. They're all Equal to him. But we don't know any of them.

Cristina: They're superhuman.

Jack: Yeah. We don't know a single one of them. And he is not special. Hitler was not special. He was just another person.

Cristina: But he made himself special.

Jack: He made himself special. He was the loudest, he was the scariest, he was the most ruthless. And as a result, he's who we remember. The same applies for Zeus, who was particularly ruthless and violent. And same applied to Jehovah. Jehovah was what, at the beginning? Aggressive, ruthless, monstrous, murderous, destroy, whatever. Until people are like, if we stop f****** with him, he will stop retaliating. Yeah, let's just listen. And then what? He just became a passive, kind guy because, like, everything is in the orders that I wanted it to be.

Cristina: But he had to be that tough guy first.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Weird. Yes, he is. He could be just another angel. Like, angel could just be the word for God or gods or demigods or whatever.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: 100% equal. But in all these. In all these stories about gods, whether it's Christianity or. What was the one that you just mentioned?

Jack: Greek mythology?

Cristina: Greek mythology or Norse mythology? Norse mythology. Thank you. Norse mythology. They all have giants as well in these stories. They're giants. And giants seem to be something other than human and gods, or at least that's why I feel like that's what's going on. If there are giants in the Christian book, what are they? Are they aliens?

Jack: Well, there's an interesting question there, because there are giants in the Christian Bible, especially the one that David fought.

Cristina: But in the Bible, they're human and angel babies. Right. Or something like that.

Jack: Well, Goliath wasn't. Goliath was just a giant that I believe was human.

Cristina: Oh, he was just a. But he's a giant human. He's not a giant giant. You know, like in.

Jack: No, I think he was abnormally huge. I think he was an impossible size.

Cristina: Oh, like an actual giant?

Jack: Like an actual giant.

Cristina: Oh, so then what are these giants?

Jack: Okay, so an easy argument for this would be people were smaller in the past. If you trace us far back enough, we're actually at our tallest proportion moment. Yes. Okay, well, it's complicated because it branches off in two different directions. Right. We began as smaller humans, but we were taller apes. So when we were still in the ape age.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We were pretty big.

Cristina: For apes.

Jack: For apes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And this is in the period where we started standing up on two legs and, like, looking around in that. Like, we were pretty tall around that time. Neanderthals, that kind of s***. We're talking huge. But then we enter the human ish era. We're humanoid and almost human.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then for whatever reason, there's a crazy dip and we're very small. Through the beginning of humanity, we're still.

Cristina: Big compared to apes, we're still small.

Jack: We're pretty small. We're talking like average height being anywhere between four, five and five feet.

Cristina: Whoa. Okay. What?

Jack: And we know that people can be as tall as 7ft, 9 inches, 9, 8ft. What's tallest human? Like, okay, we got huge f****** people.

Cristina: Yeah. But not many.

Jack: Almost twice the size of the average. If the average was four or five.

Cristina: Yeah. Are those giants?

Jack: So these people are technically giant? I think you're technically giant after you pass like six, six or something.

Cristina: But that's not what they're talking about in these stories.

Jack: Well, we don't know, because the problem with interpreting the Bible literally is that it's a book of metaphors to begin with.

Cristina: What about the other books, are they also metaphors?

Jack: I don't know. Assuming that these are also periods of time when they were. How do I put it? Okay. If you were to say, what is the past of Asia look like? Asians are usually pretty small. So were they smaller? Evolution tells us yes, probably. But then we look at something like Africans that are really tall.

Cristina: I don't.

Jack: If two of these people were to.

Cristina: Cross paths, would one see the other as a giant? Is that what you're saying?

Jack: Chances are in the past we would have seen the other as a giant.

Cristina: If we didn't know that they were people already.

Jack: Their skin already looks different. We've never encountered these people before. All we know is that they're humanoid, but literally twice the size of any of us.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's a giant. And when you write about that, that's a giant. And if they've never encountered you and you've never encountered them, Fear and hostility is human response, survival.

Cristina: Yeah. So they weren't really giants battling gods then. He's in a lot of these stories. It's a power, like fight between giants and gods for whatever.

Jack: I mean, for power, whatever. It's possible. Let's look at, let's compare these two situations. Right. You have Jehovah, all his angels waging war. We have Zeus, all the gods waging war.

Cristina: Yeah. And the Titans that are giants.

Jack: Yes. In these two cases we have the loudest guy who we know of and their army. Like we said, Hitler and his army.

Cristina: Okay, Right.

Jack: If this was taking place so long ago that it was let's say, I don't know the first f****** year, but the same event. So there's a guy who's a Hitler equivalent, super loud, surrounded by people just like him. But he's the loudest, he's the scariest, he's more ruthless. And there's a group of rebels who come from somewhere else. These rebels come from a. Now this Hitler is taking place in Asia. He's a short guy. We are terrorizing. We don't know if there's anything outside of Asia. We're over here terrorizing everything in Asia. Taking over, expanding, trying to explore what there is. And then these people popped out of nowhere. And they're like, that's wrong, what they're doing. But they're African. They're very tall, they're old school African. Like 6, 5, every single one of them. And over here, you're all four or five, every single one of you.

Cristina: So you're saying that these characters are probably based on humans, then it's not gods at all.

Jack: It's not gods at all. It was just some guy whose loudness was godly.

Cristina: Yeah, it's like in, what is it, North Korea, where he convinced everyone that he is pretty much God and he can't. Like, he doesn't need to use the bathroom and stuff like that. Like, there's stories like that about whoever this ruling evil dude is. This ancient Hitler.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes, exactly. Exactly. And I think that it's possible that the giants we've heard about were just an opposing team. The other people.

Cristina: The other people. Okay, I guess.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What? So it's not really. But then none of these stories matter when it comes to what could exist besides us.

Jack: Yes. Because everything is a story about us. And we just have to keep in mind that we are speaking metaphorically at all times in these books. So when we say giants. Well, what does it mean? Tall guy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: When we say God, maybe people in power, people with weapons, people can cause damage. People who other people listen to because.

Cristina: They just seem magical because of that. Because they have abilities.

Jack: No, no, no. It's not even magical. Those are also just metaphors.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah.

Jack: Everything is a metaphor.

Cristina: Yes, yes. Everything's a metaphor. Okay, okay. Take the magic out of it.

Jack: Take the magic out of it. Yeah. It's just loud people and war and crap of that nature.

Cristina: What? I guess. And it's just a history book.

Jack: It's a history book of metaphoric stories.

Cristina: Yes, all the books.

Jack: All the books.

Cristina: All the books are telling the same story, which are all metaphors.

Jack: Which is funny when you talk about the Dead Sea Scrolls. Right. And these things are being brought out, discovered, and they're just talking about the stories in the Bible, and the Christians are grabbing this s*** and running like, hey, a different book is talking about the same stories that took place in the Bible. What? And it's like, oh, my God. If you guys look at the text, you'll find out that the Bible was written using these texts, not the other way around. Not the other way around. It's not that two different groups of people saw the same events and wrote about them. It's that the Bible is based on these books who are based on those.

Cristina: Books, who are based on those other books who are based on those other books.

Jack: Like, and so the Christians are like a second. No, it's the same. It's the first version of the book you're reading?

Cristina: Yes, it's the first draft.

Jack: Yeah, it's the first draft. Well, you're like, wow, different. No, it's not different. It's the same book, but in.

Cristina: For the Dead. For the Dead Sea Scrolls. How can they read those? Is it even possible?

Jack: It's in Hebrew.

Cristina: Okay. So they can translate it somehow. Okay.

Jack: I mean, it's.

Cristina: I don't know how old they are. No, I didn't know it was still a common language that those were written in.

Jack: Oh, yeah, yeah, they were in Hebrew.

Cristina: Hasn't that language changed since then?

Jack: Yeah, but the language is still pretty, like, used pretty common. It's kind of widespread. And you can just ask somebody to read it to you. Like, the difference between Old English and now is hearing somebody talk about it. But if you were to read it, you can still pick up on what they're saying.

Cristina: Yeah, but it makes me. It reminds me of that story of that someone went through the Bible and then changed everything for other words to tell a whole new story where the Bible is actually about aliens and their experiment with humans and they were using the Hebrew language and giving different meanings, but it's the same word. But I guess that word has multiple meanings, so you can just change it to whatever you want it to mean, as long as it's the word. Because that word could mean. You know what I mean?

Jack: Okay, I know exactly what you're talking about and who you're talking about. I forget his name, but I know what you mean. And in the case that you're currently talking about the Bible being the story about aliens or whatever, out of the two possibilities that we're faced with, either say the Bible is being Literal? Well, in assuming the Bible is telling real events that were of supernatural proportions, at least us.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: Whether it be powers or science, the latter seems more likely because the words that they have in the time that the words were being used and written actually align more with the guy's argument about it being associated with foreignness and aliens as opposed to gods and perfection. So it's more likely that what they meant was aliens. That is fact.

Cristina: But I'm assuming no one's going to read those scrolls in using that way.

Jack: Of thinking, because they're already going to say that. Well, at least if they're Christian, they're going to look at it. Or Hebrew or anybody who believes in the religions of Jehovah.

Cristina: Yeah, they're going to translate it using those words that they're familiar with.

Jack: Yeah, the translation has to fit. It's the confirmation bias you're going to go in with. This is what it should sound like. So anything I read I gotta fix for being like this.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Versus reading it and knowing how the words were used at the time that it was written. So what they most likely mean which the guy you're talking about wrote a book explaining how the words were used previously.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And how when they were written in the Bible, there's no way they could have meant water when they meant the heavens or something like that.

Cristina: Yeah, he gets really into it.

Jack: Yes, I can remember his name. Name. But yeah, I know who you're talking about. In any case, it's always more likely than that there are aliens, than that there is a divine being who designed anything and everything somehow existing from outside reality.

Cristina: There can't be something outside. I don't be.

Jack: That doesn't make any sense. In fact, the idea that something or.

Cristina: They can be, but it can't be inside too.

Jack: The idea that something even thinks is an idea from within reality.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh, that's how complicated it is. Even the concept of perception, awareness. Consciousness is inside is a concept that exists within reality. For anything to have awareness and make everything else, you would have needed awareness to begin with, which is impossible to have it before reality in which that came to be exists.

Cristina: What?

Jack: So there could not be just definitively there could not be a God based on that. At least not an omniscient everywhere, all the time God, No. And the best we have for that is still from within reality. Which is to say, how did our universe come to be? And that's where we have nothingness observed by consciousness. We still don't know where the place where those two Things are is we know it's within. I guess it's reality.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Even if there's no universe, there's no space, time. There is just nothingness and consciousness. Those things still exist within reality.

Cristina: Can we prove that there's nothing? No, we can't.

Jack: No, it would be impossible.

Cristina: This is a question. You have to ask it. I don't know. I know there's no answer to that, but it's just.

Jack: Yes. The answer is there is nothing. There's as much nothing as there is something. They're both infinite.

Cristina: But can you prove it? How do you prove that nothing's there?

Jack: By proving that something is here.

Cristina: And that's enough.

Jack: It's easy. In order for something to be in a place, there must have been nothing there first. Otherwise the something could not go there because there's already something there. You need nothing there first in order to put this new something there. Okay, well, because we are here, there must have been nothing here.

Cristina: Because we are here, there must have been nothing.

Jack: Because if there was something here, we could not be here.

Cristina: Yes. That is so complicated.

Jack: Nothingness has to be just as likely as somethingness. But we can never experience a moment of nothingness, difference.

Cristina: Mmm. We cannot experience nothing that is complicated. But that's more about death than anything. That's complicated. Because then what is after life? Yeah.

Jack: More perception. Definitely.

Cristina: You don't think there could be a nothing?

Jack: We couldn't experience it no matter what we would continue to experience. That's why I don't fear death.

Cristina: Because you have to experience something.

Jack: Because the however long you experience nothing for, you'll be unaware that you experienced nothing. The example is always you die or you're dying and the light is slowly fading. And then the second it goes to black, a split second goes by, and then the light starts expanding again. And then you just pop out of somebody's v*****.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So you never stopped perceiving? Yeah, there was just more of the same. Or you die. You're dying. You're on your deathbed. You're an old man. You're about to leave your soul, you're about to leave your body. Everything is dying. The lights are going out. And then suddenly everything starts to fractalize and starts to break apart.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then there's just a bunch of parts everywhere. And you're still witnessing the part, but the concept of you is gone. But you're still watching the people who were your family slowly decompose into nothing that looks like just parts. You watch your body. You're Surrounded by decompose into nothing. And now you're still here, perceiving this soup of something.

Cristina: Do you? Huh? I guess. If that's true. And then you just. You're just born afterwards. Is it. Are you in the nothing? You wouldn't be born.

Jack: No, the previous scenario. You're born. In this scenario. You've died and crossed to some other plane of existence. Smooth. It was seamless. There was never here's space with nothing in it. Yeah, that never happened. You just went from, hey, you're sitting across from me. Christina, I'm on my deathbed. You come and you visit me next to my deathbed on my last moment. And you're like, hey, it was real fun to do this show with you, but you're dying. And I'm like, yeah. And then I see you. Slowly as the light goes away, you start to get fuzzier and fuzzier. And then you become so fuzzy. You're blending into the wall now because it's also fuzzy. Before long, everything is sort of uniform, but not. This is a mix of colors and stuff. And I also forget in that same progression, slowly start forgetting more and more of who I am until there is no me, There is no you. There's nothing. I don't remember anything. Because remembering is irrelevant here. Yeah, but I'm still perceiving. I've not stopped perceiving. Now I'm just seeing this mesh of colors. And now I start to decipher what this mesh of color means. And thus forming my new reality.

Cristina: That makes sense. Yes, that's probably it. Why wouldn't it be?

Jack: Why wouldn't it be? That's how we were born in the first place. We popped out, everything was a blur of colors. And we started just piecing together what that meant.

Cristina: Yeah, I think that sounds right. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. And we're like, okay, well, this mixture always means Mom. That mixture is always Mom. That's a chair over there. Some before long. Chair. Table. Mom. Christina. Tv.

Cristina: Red. Blue.

Jack: Red. Blue. Yeah, but then I'll forget all that s*** again.

Cristina: Yes, but there's never nothing.

Jack: Couldn't be. We couldn't perceive nothing. Otherwise it wouldn't be nothing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The moment we can perceive it, it's something.

Cristina: It's so confusing. It's not confusing, but it is complicated. Yeah.

Jack: It's possible to discuss. Impossible to imagine.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. What's less impossible is the. What's that thing we call now The Force? What are we calling it?

Jack: Yeah, the Force.

Cristina: The Force. Guess what? In. I'm not finished with the story, though. But I'm going to talk about what I've read so far.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: In Prince Lestat, the vampires, they're not just vampires. There's a starting point, if you remember from part two. There was the first vampire, but there was something that made the first vampire.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: It was some type of creature. I don't know what it is. When I picture the creature, it looks like the thing from Fullmetal Alchemist. The little black thing with an eye from the gate. From the Gate. Well, I don't know. But he was also in the real world with their dad. He had him in a little thing.

Jack: And pride was also made out of him.

Cristina: Oh, yes, yes. Well, that thing, he's in Prince Lest. That. Well, not. He's not in that story. Or maybe he is. I'm not sure. But whatever, he was in the First Vampire, and that's how the vampires were made. And in the newest book, there is a problem with creating vampires now. And a vampire's theory is that this thing that made the first vampire, it's. It's kind of like in all the vampires. And it's reached its limit of how far it could reach with its powers or whatever. Like it has a limit. It reminds me, though, of the Force and how we say if you use the Force too much. I don't remember what happens if you talk about how it's bad to use the Force too much. The dark side is bad to abuse it. Yes, it's bad to abuse it because.

Jack: Whatever, it'll turn on you.

Cristina: It'll turn. Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: You're weakening it or something.

Cristina: Yeah. So I feel like this story is pretty much following the rules, that all these other things that are like that are following.

Jack: That makes me think of the movie, the one. The one where Jet Li went around killing all the other versions of himself and every one of them he would kill would spread that one's energy amongst all the other versions of him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then where there were two, they were so inhumanly strong, they're superhuman.

Cristina: Yeah. Because that power has a limit.

Jack: Yes. So if that's what's happening in the story, then it's possible. If they just start killing vampires, the vampires who have those powers will get stronger progressively.

Cristina: Well, they get stronger progressively just by aging, too.

Jack: Yes, but if they murdered all the vampires.

Cristina: Well, there's maybe. I don't know what's happening in this world. But my guess is this creature is so tired of all the vampires that are around, it's trying to convince vampires, the older ones the strong ones to murder other vampires, all the weak ones because there's so many weak vampires. And I guess he's sick and tired of all these vampire. He's sick and tired of sharing this energy because it is him. And so he's getting these older vampires to kill them off because he is the energy. And I guess he's tired or he's being wasted and he's sick of it. So he needs some of them to die.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: Does that make sense? I feel like it makes. I don't know if that's what's happening, but that's what I think is happening.

Jack: It would make sense. Yeah. You did release some of the power and spread yourself less than.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: Makes sense.

Cristina: But I wonder if the force works like that too.

Jack: Possible.

Cristina: Like in the flash. It does seem like that.

Jack: Yes. There is the amount of force to go around. And if too many people are using it then other people don't have access to it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It is completely possible. Yes.

Cristina: It's interesting they all work like that.

Jack: Because you have to think that the universal energy that exists everywhere is being used by everybody. There is a sort of amount of individuals that could be tuned in at any one moment.

Cristina: There is an amount that there's.

Jack: Okay. Most people probably use the energy small time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So if somebody's using a f*** ton of it somewhere in the universe, 99.99% of everything is using fractions of it and doesn't even. Like they can still use it because the chunk free is so big by comparison that that small tiny chunk could still be spread out amongst a whole planet.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know like everybody on earth using it at the smallest percentage. A small fraction of the force can use the force at the same time that somebody else where is using 70% of it in one shot. Because that 25 is still a ton of energy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But now if two creatures or two civilizations decided to use 75% at the same time. We're not advanced enough to do that.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Or we haven't found things like that. And if we did, we could destroy this plan by acc. If somebody had that kind of power. But if somebody does and there's two of them, who knows how often these people are using it. So those people can't.

Cristina: Yeah. That would start a huge problem.

Jack: That would start a huge problem. Now we don't encounter that because we're primitive in every case. Whether it be magic, whether it be science, whatever the case, we're primitive.

Cristina: But if there's something on Earth right now because it reminds me of adrenochrome and towers falling for the blood. And what if that's also involved in.

Jack: It's not enough.

Cristina: It's not enough.

Jack: Small potatoes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We're talking even the gods from within Earth, Zeus, Jehovah, these people. Right.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They could both simultaneously use the energy and it would still not. They could both use as much as they know how. And there would still be energy to go around. And it would still be an insignificant amount because they're still regional. One is from Greek.

Cristina: Yeah. But there was still problems though. But I guess that's because with each other more than. I mean, like in their little groups. There was a bigger problem.

Jack: Yeah, but doesn't. We're talking about the force. It's not causing any force disturbance.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because they can both use it effectively.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we haven't drained. Now, if everybody on Earth had the same capacity to use it that Zeus and Jehovah did, would then. That created then. Or are we still talking small potatoes because it's still one planet.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's something out there so powerful it took over the Great Void.

Cristina: And how could that be? If there was a limit.

Jack: If there. There is a limit.

Cristina: If there.

Jack: But they were using. And keep in mind how small the Great Void is as compared to the rest of the universe. It's so small. We look and we got to look really far and we see it really small. We just know that it's huge because we still see it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But it's far and tiny. So that took an immense amount of energy.

Cristina: That definitely did. Yeah.

Jack: If somebody did that with raw power, not just science, but using some sort of power.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Can two beings do that? Now we're talking a different scale.

Cristina: Mm. And you think they can do that?

Jack: I think yes. I don't know. Can two at the same time. But also that's such a small amount. Like, how big is the power distribution we're talking about if it's using the entire universe, if the whole universe is using the same energy source.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: How big are we talking? And like, is our universe old enough to even have beings that can wield such exaggeration? Or has it been.

Cristina: It seems like we can't all share it though. Or if we're looking at like full metal alchemists. They needed to kill people to. To share it between the powerful people that are using or whatever. Or was that not needed for the energy to be used? I feel like it related.

Jack: No, because they are using something different. They use energy to make transmutation. You Mean philosopher stones.

Cristina: Okay, that's.

Jack: No, it's the same exchange. If every one transmutation required a death.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Right. Then the philosopher's stone is cashing in your deaths ahead of time to then use the power later.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Same concept.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's just. When are you paying?

Cristina: Yeah. That is so complicated. That's. That's. That show is just so dark. But there is a limit. But there's no way to reach that limit.

Jack: There is a way to reach that limit. We just don't know what.

Cristina: We can't reach it.

Jack: Yeah. And we can't fathom what would there should be. Because there is a limit.

Cristina: Has someone reached that limit?

Jack: Probably not. What is the lifetime of God? What. What. What numbers would we give if he can outlive our entire universe? In fact, our entire universe is the fraction of a second to God. But he lives 100 years his time. So if a fraction of a second. Right. We hadron collider. We smash two atoms together. Boom. The conditions of the universe. A whole civilization happens in that small space. A whole universe happens. Bunch of galaxies, bunch of planets, a bunch of civilizations. 50 trillion years go by and then that universe dies. Great. Sweet. Okay, fine. Universe is dead after trillions. That was a fraction of a second. How long in comparison to that fraction of a second will I. Is my time if I'm 100 years old and that's I'm just die at 100 normal a** f****** life. But that I'm the guy who smashed the two atoms together and made that. So in that timescale, we're now in the universe that is going to expire in 50 trillion years. But all of this has been a moment God doesn't even notice is happening because it's happening so quick.

Cristina: Yes, but we're somehow using his energy or.

Jack: Well, my point would be at that scale, what is a minute? What is a day? Could we fathom what a second is?

Cristina: No.

Jack: A second is long as h***. A second could be the entire. Actually this whole universe exists in less than one second of God.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: If we convert that to energy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's nothing like it's. It could expire.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In a normal. God is going to die in a.

Cristina: But it took a lot of energy to make us, though.

Jack: It took such insignificant energy to run the hadron colliders that we still have everything else in the planet working simultaneously.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Do you see?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just to smash two atoms together and create a whole universe. It took so little energy, most people don't even know that Machine exists.

Cristina: All right?

Jack: Nobody noticed anything happened.

Cristina: Everyone feared for the worst.

Jack: Nobody knew. That's all just stories from people who were looking into it.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Nobody knew what was happening. Oh, and it's happened many times.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, those are all fake stories.

Jack: So in these cases, one fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a second to a hundred years. So to a full life amount of energy, what is our universe? Insignificant?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's easy to waste the energy. Something could use it. Is there anything within here who could use it? I don't. F***.

Cristina: Probably not. Is adrenochrome the closest we get to that, though?

Jack: Adrenochrome? Isn't that. Is adrenochrome connected to the Force?

Cristina: I don't know. That's why I'm wondering. I'm wondering if it is.

Jack: No, I think adrenochrome is a shortcut.

Cristina: To what?

Jack: To not have to use the Force, but acquire all the same things. Okay. Think of what Alan Watt says. You could meditate into an entirely new perspective of viewing the world and understanding reality. Or you could f****** take acid. Like acid is good to show you the window. But learn how to get there on your own.

Cristina: Oh, okay. It's better to learn how to get there.

Jack: It's not better, it's just a different way. He suggests learn together on your own. But who cares if you can get there?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The point being that while we have. Actually, I have an idea. I lost my train of thought.

Cristina: We talk about how adrenochrome is a shortcut to blind.

Jack: Oh, yeah. Then adrenochrome would in any case be the asset. It's like the Force is the way there, but not everybody's connected to it. Not everybody has a He man sword or Power Ranger powers or f****** this or that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Jedi mind tricks or whatever. Sometimes you just take adrenochrome and you get there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's instant versus a bunch of Pragues and studying monks can get there. Spend their whole lives, mind you, instantly when you meet them, what the f*** is happening?

Cristina: Or take adrenochrome.

Jack: Take Adrenochrome.

Cristina: No practice.

Jack: But also the same things would happen. People who practice and learn how to use the things, are they out there causing trouble?

Cristina: Trouble? No, never. But they don't have withdrawal, which I guess is a good.

Jack: Yes, that's another good.

Cristina: That's a good thing.

Jack: But also they're not out there causing. Because they learn how to wield it. Yeah, but if you got the power overnight. Do you know how to wield it? No, you just got crazy abilities. It's the same idea of when we were having that episode about the mass shooting maybe two, three seasons ago, and me and Blake were talking about our guns bad and our people bad. And it's like, no, not really. Yes, people die all the time. But if you gave everybody a gun overnight. Well, actually, we're talking about the Internet particularly, which was. Is the Internet evil? It's like, no, the Internet is just a brand new creation. And we don't know what the f*** we're doing.

Cristina: We definitely don't know what we're doing with the Internet or with guns.

Jack: With the Internet or with guns. Well, we know how to use guns. More guns really don't cause that much of a problem.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If you gave everybody a gun, we kind of get it. But before anybody knew what a gun. This is how I proved my point. Before anybody knew what a gun was. If suddenly I invented guns today and I just happened to make enough of them to give everybody a gun. A lot of people are gonna die.

Cristina: Yes. No one knew about what it was.

Jack: Yeah, a lot of people are gonna die because we don't know what the f*** we're doing. Even after we see a couple of people dying, people can be. Well, I could defend my house with her. I could do this without. People are gonna shoot each other because we don't know what the f*** we're doing. Same goes for the Internet. We don't know what the f*** we're doing. We're just screaming at each other because we don't know what the f*** we're doing.

Cristina: Yes. Because they're complicated. Because people shoot themselves.

Jack: Yeah, but those are accidents. That. That doesn't happen often.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's probably the. In Earth history, every year, maybe 10 people shoot themselves by accident.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Like, it's not worth the mention.

Cristina: Okay, but it happened.

Jack: Yes, but also some dude fell upstairs. That's also something that happened once. Like, it's fine once in a.

Cristina: Like, I don't know, just once.

Jack: Weird things happen. Never. Look at the anecdotal anomaly that doesn't fall into the act.

Cristina: Like the lady who killed her husband with a squirrel or something.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like when the only one time in a lifetime.

Jack: Yeah. Like, it's pointless to be like, well, that one thing happened. Like, who gives a s***? It'll never happen again.

Cristina: Yeah. Unless we got to worry about people trying to kill other people with squirrels. That becomes a thing.

Jack: Those circumstances are so highly specific.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They don't matter.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. With all that comes the equivalent of the Force, and we can't do that. We. With something we don't know how to use, which is how we end up with people just having withdrawal, desperately trying to get as much adrenochrome as possible, doing weird things and abusing their power. Meanwhile, the people who practice to get to the same place don't give a. Yeah, they're just enjoying it.

Cristina: Yeah. Cool.

Jack: Interesting point, now that I think about it, though.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Thinking about Hitler and his army and Jehovah and his army and Zeus and his army, essentially. Maybe the same person, whatever this army was, was definitely tuned into the Force themselves, wasn't it? Not Hitler's army.

Cristina: Well, we don't know for sure.

Jack: But like Jehovah's army, just humans, not even demigods, just humans who tuned into the Force and collectively, quite some power. Not only is the leader, the most powerful, most ruthless, most dangerous one, and the one we all know about and refer to the rest of the movement as, but all the other people also, they learn and they practice and they studied together.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they could know how to use the Force and with that, use the power to suppress everyone else.

Cristina: Yeah. That's so weird because I was thinking about giants and how, like, what if they're the ones using adrenochrome because they're doing weird things, too, besides that they're giant. They're usually doing the weird same things that the gods are doing. They have a different title and they look different, obviously, but they're doing pretty much the same things. They're kind of equal.

Jack: What do you mean by doing the same things?

Cristina: Like, they can do the same powers or they have the same strength or whatever. You want to describe it, they turn into birds. They turn into birds. Like, there's no difference except for their title.

Jack: So you're saying God is a title to a type of human?

Cristina: Yes, they're calling themselves gods, and we call them gods because they call themselves gods and they call themselves giants. So we do the same.

Jack: Maybe they didn't call themselves any of that and we called them all that.

Cristina: Okay. But they were still both. Like, what's the difference of the two groups?

Jack: There's no difference. It's just two different, like, ethnic groups at most using the Force, Adrenochrome or the Force. Or in any case, maybe one was using one and the other was using the other. It looks like outside of religion, people aim towards other means. Witchcraft. You don't need blood for f****** witchcraft unless you're doing black magic, which is circling right back to the same s***.

Cristina: You just reminded me. God needs blood. So they're the ones doing a dream of Chrome. If anyone's doing adrenochrome, it's the gods.

Jack: Yeah, well, again, like what I'm saying, anybody outside of religion is doing magic. They're doing meditation. They're doing.

Cristina: They're using the forest.

Jack: They're using the forest. Anybody within religion, it's a whole different story. Using adrenochrome, they're cheating. They don't have the natural ability. Although they go around telling everybody. Everyone else is using the bad thing, but everybody else is doing what? Using nature.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So a quick example would be, right, you go to church and they tell you we're going to chant together, and you are going to pretend to drink blood and pretend to eat flesh. Sit down, shut up and listen to me. Good guys, according to themselves. And then they'll point at the other side and be like, those are the bad guys. What are the bad guys doing? Stay in touch with nature.

Cristina: Yes, that's what I was going to say. Instead of listening to what someone else is saying, you're listening to nature and hearing what it tells you.

Jack: Yeah. Be introspective. Ask what's right and what's wrong. Question everything. The. The story of the apple. Why is God so dedicated to not having Adam and Eve eat the apple? It's like, why don't you want them to. You made the perfect things. You don't want them to have knowledge.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Why don't you want them to have not? Of course, chances are he found that f****** garden.

Cristina: I don't think he ate that apple.

Jack: I don't think God was a. God wasn't allowed to eat that.

Cristina: He wasn't allowed to. He was like, you guys can't have it because I can't have it.

Jack: I think that's exactly what happened. I think God was not allowed to eat the apple. And he is an angry and jealous God according to himself.

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: So if he was angry that he couldn't and jealous that they could. No, f*** it. My God doesn't talk to them. I'm not gonna let them eat either.

Cristina: Except that they. Because he's not perfect. Like, whoever made him. Or not as perfect, you know, whatever.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: They could not listen to him, which he has to, I guess, listen to whoever made him.

Jack: Yes. He can't actually eat the apple. There's nothing he could do to eat that apple. Yeah, but they could.

Cristina: But they could. Yes. And they did What? That makes sense.

Jack: God doesn't have all the information. It's possible Adam and Eve had more information. Yep.

Cristina: Whoa. Do you think they shared it with us? Did we bury that information?

Jack: No, I think we actively suppress that information. I think religion does a pretty good effort of trying to suppress the real information that's out there, while Adam and Eve knew the real information that was out there. But we cut their stories short and remove what they're saying a lot of the time.

Cristina: This is because there is no story. They just gave birth to a bunch of children. The end.

Jack: Yeah. We don't talk about the fact that they knew everything.

Cristina: Yeah. Did they teach their children? Yeah. I don't know. That's interesting. What if God couldn't eat the apple?

Jack: It's doubtful that he could. Yeah, he probably never eat the apple. He probably didn't make that garden. That cartoon is just his home. It's his fishbowl.

Cristina: It's his fishbowl.

Jack: It's his fishbowl to where something greater is just watching God.

Cristina: But then when he kicked them out, what did he kick them out into?

Jack: The world.

Cristina: The world? Is that inside his fishbowl?

Jack: No, he kicked them out of the.

Cristina: Fishbowl where he lives.

Jack: He lives. God can't leave the fishbowl. That's why he's obligated to do other things, to communicate. For whatever reason, Lucifer and Jehovah are bound to their respective locations because they have to do other things to communicate. They have to send a physical. Not physical, but like an energy based thing. Talk to you through a bush. Talk to you through your dreams. Send the messenger angel because he cannot leave.

Cristina: Oh, crap. He is trapped wherever he is.

Jack: God is in prison.

Cristina: Yes. He's in prison. No. I don't know.

Jack: He's trapped wherever he is. He has messengers for days and he has tricks for days. I can talk to you through any number of. Why don't you come down?

Cristina: I'll blind you.

Jack: He's got excuses. Oh, like, bro, you've destroyed the earth many times.

Cristina: Doesn't matter.

Jack: You don't care. No, but he's trapped wherever he is. It's a fishbowl.

Cristina: It's a fishbowl. Yes.

Jack: And it's probably the garden.

Cristina: But is that fishbowl near here? In here? In this reality?

Jack: Could be. Maybe. Could be a pocket dimension.

Cristina: A pocket dimension.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And it could be that in kicking people out, he sent them out to the earth where they weren't meant to be. Maybe that's why we're destroying Earth. We weren't meant to be here. We were all supposed to be in this garden that would grow proportionately with the number of people that are in there for all of infinity. The garden would always be the right size for the number of people there. Yes, but the planet doesn't grow by itself.

Cristina: No. That's interesting.

Jack: We sent out people who were never meant to die in the first place. Also in the garden. They were immortal.

Cristina: They were immortal. Okay.

Jack: Ate the apple and then were kicked out and given mortality. I don't think that's how that story really goes. I think as long as you're in the garden, you're mortal, you're immortal, and as long as you're outside of the garden, you're mortal. Maybe God is too old to leave the garden. He might die instantaneously. It's like if Dorian Gray looked at his picture 200 years later.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He would immediately age to the age he should have been.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Maybe God would immediately age to the age it should be and die instantaneously.

Cristina: If he leaves the garden. Whoa.

Jack: If he leaves the garden, the garden is keeping him immortal.

Cristina: Mm. What? I wonder if there's other magical creatures there, though. I mean, not magical, but talkative, I guess. Like the talking snake.

Jack: The talking snake, which is also in the Bible. Not even really Lucifer. I don't know what that's about.

Cristina: It's a snake, and it talks. Were there other animals or the talking birds? Yeah.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. It is fascinating to think about that. That maybe the source of his mortality, immortality, is the garden.

Cristina: Like the first story, though, of Lilith. Was she kicked out of the garden? Was she still living in the garden? I don't know, because she was still able to rape Adam and stuff, but.

Jack: I don't know, man. Now, the question here would be God trying to make another God. He's managing everything with messengers from within the fishbowl. So he sends messengers, tries to navigate how things happen, tricks people into doing things, causes tragedies, and once in a while, attacks directly.

Cristina: Yes. To attacks Earth.

Jack: Yeah. But he's doing all of this from the fishbowl, which is why we never see him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The closest thing he got was that clever trick of Jesus. He's like, well, I found the way to convert my energy into this other being that's sort of me, but not me. But he can be outside without me dying in here. And I can see through his eyes and I can move him around, but I'm gonna be limited in information and limited in ability.

Cristina: It feels like he's already really limited in many ways.

Jack: Compared to us, he's not. Yeah, he's way more free than we could ever be. But then Jesus is human, so, like, he's limited if you're comparing him to omniscience.

Cristina: Yeah, but, like, as far as humans.

Jack: Go, he's not limited by anything.

Cristina: Yeah. And.

Jack: And then there's Jesus is way out of the bubble until Jesus dies, until he gets killed. Because he's not infinitely powerful, that version of him is still mortal. It was the only way he could get outside of the bubble without him leaving the bubble.

Cristina: Personally, do you think he's gotten out of the bubble after that, though? Why would he just stop at Jesus?

Jack: Maybe he hasn't. Maybe he hasn't. Maybe he's many different people throughout time. This is the only way to experience anything.

Cristina: Yeah. Think he brought anyone back into that bubble? He kicked people out. And we know about those stories, but who says he hasn't kidnapped people? Unless that's what those stories of people going, there was a guy who just walked into heaven. I don't know who he was, but he walked up the stairs to heaven or something like that. Is he in the garden right now?

Jack: Heaven is not the garden.

Cristina: Heaven's not the garden. Where's God? He's not in heaven. Then.

Jack: God is not in heaven.

Cristina: He's in the garden.

Jack: God is in the garden.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Heaven is some other realm.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like h*** is probably just a shadow realm.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we call it some other crap, but ironically, angels come from there.

Cristina: So heaven and h*** could be the same place.

Jack: No, I think the liars that we know as Jehovah and his army, who say we're not only omniscient, but like, we're the good guys. And it's like you're the only guy who's drinking blood, so maybe you're not. Maybe the people who are like, go be one with nature are definitely on the right track. And you calling them the devil and then going and drinking blood, maybe you're wrong. But chances are more reason to go back into the shadow realm that the garden is located inside the shadow realm.

Cristina: The garden's in the shadow realm. But you don't think heaven.

Jack: It's already in a different plane.

Cristina: Do you think heaven's not a place then?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: What do you think? That's a lie.

Jack: It's possible that either heaven or h*** is the shadow realm.

Cristina: Okay. Because I feel like it has both creatures. So it's most likely that all those locations are the same location.

Jack: It could be that all the other s*** is the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Yeah. So. Oh, back to the Shadow Realm.

Jack: And in the Shadow Realm, Somewhere in the Shadow Realm, this weird mazy confusing. Every direction leads to every direction mass there is the garden.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which God cannot leave.

Cristina: Except wait, I just remembered. He's a beaver here right now.

Jack: You're right. He's a beaver on this side. Well, he's actually a beaver groundhog. And he isn't even over here.

Cristina: Well, we don't know where he is.

Jack: We don't know. He could be a groundhog on this side. Or he's over there and he manifests as a groundhog on this side.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because his actual form is a groundhog. If he's over here, he's pretending, but he's over there. And people fearing for their weather conditions and season report for their crops. And we're going to be broke this year. That fear allows him to manifest and talk to them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So he could just be a being from the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: He could be okay. Yes. So the best choice is just to wait then. Just gotta be patient for him to pop up. Because we know when and where.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: So we'll get that groundhog.

Jack: Definitely. It's pretty interesting.

Cristina: That is. And if we somehow miss the groundhog wasn't there. I keep saying beaver, but I'm pretty sure in another country it's the talking beaver that gives them the weather. I think it was like different animals in different locations, but they're all around the world. The groundhog is just the closest one to us, so it'd be easiest to get him.

Jack: Fair. And I'm assuming every one of those regions has different gods as well. And different gods pretend to be different things as well as different kinds of ghosts and entities of those natures. Which goes to show that gods are just demigods who happen to inhabit certain regions of the Earth. Yeah, that's fascinating. And as for groundhogs and s***, My voice is almost recovered after he got bitten by that stupid f****** groundhog.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Soon I'll be back at a hundred percent. I can almost do high notes. Almost.

Cristina: So what are you right now, 75?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Awesome.

Jack: I'm getting there. I'm getting there.

Cristina: Everyone's worried about you. There's like hundreds of thank you letters. I don't know why. Thank you.

Jack: Yes. Many, many thank you letters.

Cristina: It's really confusing.

Jack: Yes. They all heard I was hurt and they're all just thanking me.

Cristina: I think they think you're dying. Like this is it for you.

Jack: They think this is it.

Cristina: Yeah. So they're like, thank you for host. You're gonna be soon replaced by you again. But we want to thank you for the time you've been with us.

Jack: Yeah. It won't matter. They won't tell the difference.

Cristina: They won't tell the difference. No. So. But whatever they. They consider it if this is your passing away moment. But you're saying it's not.

Jack: I'm saying it's not. But thank you for all the thank you letters that we've received over the last couple of days following the previous episode where I talked about getting bitten by the groundhog that was just a normal non radioactive groundhog.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So thank you for all the thank you letters that we've gotten. It's great that that happened, I guess. You're welcome.

Cristina: You're welcome.

Jack: Welcome to all of you.

Cristina: Because this is it. I mean, this is the show. That's what you said in the beginning. This is the show.

Jack: This is the show. Yeah, it's the show. Anyways, so. Yeah. Hope you guys have some ideas or thoughts on anything we discussed right now. It'd be interesting to hear what you guys have to say about this. Is it making more sense? Are we reflecting defining what God is that we unmutty the Bible by saying that God is a groundhog from the shadow realm that exists inside of a fishbowl dimension that is known as the Garden of Eden and that humans are.

Cristina: Have the force and have adrenochrome as the shortcut force?

Jack: Yes, yes. We're just clarifying all the things. You guys know, you guys know how we do. We give you information. A little bit of good, a little bit of bad, some of the do's and don'ts. And this is my. Before you buy.

Cristina: What are they buying?

Jack: I don't know. Isn't that what that guy's friends, what is it? Some of the good, some of the bad. You know how we do. Before you buy. Anyways, yeah. I hope you guys enjoyed this conversation. If you guys want more conversations of this nature, there are many. And the most recent episodes we've been sort of circling these topics, refining them. That way we know what our next steps are going to be. And you can find more episodes like that or like this or like any thing. Essentially, we cover everything under the sun. You can find that on Greathoughts.

Cristina: We have hundreds of episodes.

Jack: Yes. You can find that on greatthoughts.info on Apple Podcasts or Spotify or anywhere you get your podcasts.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook. Twitter, Instagram and TikTok. UsConvopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe, rate, and review the show, because that's always great to hear what you guys are thinking. So please go. If you're listening right now, if you made it this far, go review. Go review. You heard this far and you haven't left a review, go review and tell us what you genuinely thought. Take a moment, do it right now. It'll be awesome.

Cristina: And then we'll have to include an emoji.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: For this episode. What is it gonna be?

Jack: I don't know. Put a smiley of some sort.

Cristina: The one with the hearts.

Jack: No, put a poop emoji.

Cristina: Poop emoji. Okay.

Jack: There you go.

Cristina: Put a poop emoji, a true, honest review of the show, and a poof.

Jack: And a poop emoji at the true, honest review of the show, the right amount of stars that you believe we deserve, and then a poop emoji. Go do that now.

Cristina: Yes. And let someone who might like the show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth, incredibly powerful. And we're refining the meaning of science, religion, philosophy and everything. We're making it one. So, you know, tell people. Tell people who are trapped.

Cristina: They have to know.

Jack: Yeah. Tell people who are trapped in one of those systems so they can be trapped in all of them with us.

Cristina: Yes. Wow. This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. It's very complicated.

Cristina: What made you think of that, though?

Jack: I don't know. I was just. It's just an im. I don't know what the f*** I was even doing, but the images popped into my head. I'm like, how weird and fat. I've been thinking about it for, like, a week straight.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah. I'm like, this is so trippy.

Cristina: Is the Blue's Clues thing trippy, too, or not as trippy?

Jack: Holy sh. I didn't even connect those dots. I didn't think about it. But, yeah, it's kind of crazy. Blue skirt, dude, we can, too. Then they hop into a f******. But they live in a jumbled f****** mess.

Cristina: They do.

Jack: Weird to assume the coyote and the Roadrunner exists in, like, a relative reality.

Cristina: Or whatever, but the weird thing about them is that they can't normally jump into pictures. They have to announce that they're using Blue's powers of jumping into pictures.

Jack: What the f*** is Blue? Blue's some, like, mythical creature with powers, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like his.

Cristina: Blue, like the roadrunner. They have special powers.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no, no, no. The Roadrunner is like Wile E. Coyote sometimes. Wile E. Coyote can break the laws of physics, too. It could break reality in his own instances. While Blue seems to kind of be like an omniscient God in his world or some s***, where he can however he wants. He's kind of like Deadpool.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning.

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October 23, 2021

Rambling: 148 Catholic Adrenochrome

October 23, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

Why are most of the listeners of the show from England? Why are most people from England Catholic? Why do Catholics love drinking blood? Are priests the primary blood drinkers? IS the blood they have been drinking from the children they spend private time with? The duo takes on some of the darker truths of Catholicism and tries to get to the bottom of how most of the JCP listeners are British. What is discovered in the process is something no one could have imagined!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

Cancer
Fight Club
Vampire Jesus
Broken English
Time Travel Seamlessness
Christian Wars
Catholic Caused Genocide
Drinking Blood
Immortality
Child Blood
Gods & Adrenochrome
How to Make a God
Groundhog Powers
Subhumans

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second episodes are released.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. So be sure to inform somebody of this show at gunpoint if you can, and get them to listen by force. The good old American way. America.

Cristina: Not with guns.

Jack: Why not?

Cristina: Why? Why?

Jack: What if they don't have our largest. Well, actually, the biggest part of our audience is a British, not a Merrickin.

Cristina: You think they don't have guns?

Jack: I'm more concerned about, like, what the f*** is wrong with people listening to this? I was thinking about this the other day. Like, who listens to us?

Cristina: Who listens to us?

Jack: Like, British people.

Cristina: Are you sure?

Jack: Yes. The vast majority of our listeners are.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: It's like, half is British and then like. Like a quarter is eastern American. Like the east coast and then scattered throughout. It's like, what the f*** happened in f****** England?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why are you listening to us?

Cristina: We're giving them a slice of life of America.

Jack: Yeah. Wow. Are we the example of what American life is to these?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because it's like. No, it's way more f***** than what we do.

Cristina: We talk about.

Jack: Yeah. Americans don't think this hard. Megas. Don't think America. It's about, you know, I, like, I. I'm not gonna wear a mask because I need a haircut. That's America summed up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I'm not gonna wear a mask because I need a haircut logic. So I don't know what the f*** happened. They're like the. Now we're a bad example of what being American is. I mean, I guess the no given aspect.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They're not like, I don't know, they were emotionally repressed.

Cristina: Is that true?

Jack: I mean, it's a joke that they tell themselves about themselves.

Cristina: It's a stereotype.

Jack: It's a stereotype, but one they joke about. About being emotionally repressed, and we help them with that.

Cristina: How? I don't know where. They're therapists.

Jack: We all.

Cristina: We.

Jack: We're not helping them be more emotionally repressed. We're helping them be less emotional.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They live vicariously through us.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But we're not emotional. We might be feeding the problem.

Cristina: Okay, well, you're helping them by peer pressuring them in the beginning of the.

Jack: Episode to do something violent, social. Something social. Got you. Yes, yes. Go interact. Got you, got you, got. And then I recon reaffirm it at the end of the show.

Cristina: Exactly. So there's something.

Jack: Because, like, if we think about it, Right. We use the fact that when we look at the. The viewer list or whatever, it's the viewer. They're watching us. Cameras are on the walls, man. No, but the. The vast majority of the listeners are in England. Right. And so we think about that, and we're like. We're basically telling a bunch of British people to go do violent acts primarily to get people to come listen to the show. It's a show about getting you to listen to the show. It's become meta.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Every episode, as of late, Maybe the last 15, 20 episodes, are about telling the listener how to get somebody to listen to this show and then kind of describing the circumstance.

Cristina: Yes. We actually go through the adventure of a listener.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Who's trying to convince other people to listen to the show.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. And like, semantically, we get sometimes even metaphysical, just trying the. To elaborate in depth on how to listen to the show.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's pretty meta. It's a show about listening to the show.

Cristina: Yes. If you need help with that. I don't know.

Jack: Why.

Cristina: Why would we go that far?

Jack: Because they need to get somebody else to listen to the show. For what? So that we can tell that next person how to get someone else to listen to the show. It's a sort of infinite loop.

Cristina: Yes. Although I guess we're a lot like that. The tape from that horror movie where you have to watch it before. You have to get someone else to watch it before seven days or you die.

Jack: Yeah. Except in this case, you have to get somebody to listen before the cancer kills you. Otherwise your life was in vain.

Cristina: Yep. That's pretty much something, I guess.

Jack: Pretty much. Yeah. You got, like, 10 years. It's fine.

Cristina: Yeah, it's like.

Jack: It's way better than seven days. Hey, man, you got more than seven days. Like, you got cancer. Cancer is not our fault. We're not really sure what's happening there.

Cristina: I think it's from those inexpensive. What is it? Wasn't there a tape thing that you're sending people?

Jack: Oh, my.

Cristina: It was Spy Club.

Jack: You think the vcr.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: With the cassette tape.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That has the show recorded on it, by the way. It's a vcr. And the show is not on camera. So you're just getting like.

Cristina: But it looks like Fight Club where it is Fight Club.

Jack: Well, it's. They get Fight Club every time as well.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So they get Fight Club, and they get the latest episode of the show, but they only get the VCR the first time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: After they subscribe.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So I guess the episode is audio recorded over Fight Club, so you're technically getting a Fight Club the movie every time with Fight Club audio.

Cristina: Because I feel like we keep sending them Fight Club. Like, we don't stop sending them.

Jack: No, no, no. They get Fight Club every time. So you're saying that the Fight Club episodes they're getting. I mean, the Fight Club additional Fight Club movies are getting. Are the show recorded over the Fight Club. Fight Club. So it's still Fight Club the movie visuals.

Cristina: Or it might just be like, Fight Club. You first have to watch the whole movie of Fight Club, and then at the credit scene, you get to listen to our podcast.

Jack: There's an hour of credits.

Cristina: Maybe. I don't know how long the credits are. Maybe it's just black. And then you hear our podcast.

Jack: Well, I'm thinking you just listen to the podcast over the visuals of Fight Club. So Fight Club the movie is playing as you're watching. Watching as you're watching, and you're hearing us over it.

Cristina: Whether we can do that on YouTube. Just figure out how to put the fight club movie 1.

Jack: To any of our British listeners who've never seen Fight Club, begin your dystopian future by watching Fight Club.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then proceed to dub one of our episodes over the audio of Fight Club so that it's Fight Club with your favorite episode of Just Conversation.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then tell us where we could go watch that, because it'll be great.

Cristina: Well, beside. Well, we are sending them these things, but I'm just wondering if that's where the cancer is coming from.

Jack: They're getting the cancer from the cassette?

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: No, they get the cancer from listening to us.

Cristina: But how? That's the question. Like, what is happening? It's not like 5G or something?

Jack: No, no, no. Or maybe it is because. Because the idea is something about my. And your voice. It's our voices through the microphones coming out of their speaker or whatever causes them to get cancer.

Cristina: But it's our voices.

Jack: It's our voices. Some combination of our. It might be because we're clones, I don't know.

Cristina: But wasn't. Huh? Was it happening when we were alive?

Jack: No, maybe not. No. I don't I doubt it. I think this. I think, according to the lore of just conversation, it happened after the original died.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But not entirely sure, but somebody could let us know.

Cristina: But. Okay, so if that's the case, then we're doing it somehow. It's coming from us.

Jack: Our voices, I'm assuming. Maybe that's my. That's my theory. They're getting the cancer from our voices coming through the speaker.

Cristina: But then Dave is a clone too, right?

Jack: Yes. So he probably. Yeah, yeah. He's passing cancer everywhere. If that's the case.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: He's just giving everybody cancer.

Cristina: Are you gonna let him know that?

Jack: He probably knows.

Cristina: How do you find out. How do you even find out your listeners have cancer? Is that in the data that.

Jack: Yes, exactly. That's exactly how I found out. The same way I found out about.

Cristina: How much listeners are from English.

Jack: Yes. It tells us. For whatever reason, because Facebook, we recently established that Facebook gives us everybody's data all the time. And so I have everybody's medical records, and then I cross reference the medical records with our listener records, and then I get the listeners, and they all have cancer.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: Boom.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You see? Logic. It makes sense. That's how we know. I totally. Yes.

Cristina: We got it through Facebook.

Jack: Through Facebook and Google.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They work together. It's all the same s***. There's. If we could go high up enough. There's no difference between those two things. There's some other, like, dude telling them what to do. The same guy. Nevertheless, they both respond to the same dude, who's just some guy in, like, a shady robe. Looks like f****** the dark Sith Lord or some s***. You know, dark room surrounded by candles and a bunch of f******.

Cristina: Wearing a mask.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Even though everyone knows who he is.

Jack: Exactly.

Cristina: When you're up there, you're like. You're. You know who he is.

Jack: Yeah. He wears it just because it's cool or whatever. It's edgy. In a freaking, like, chamber somewhere underground or at the top of a crazy tall tower and a floating island or some s*** where there's f******. He's surrounded in this chamber by, like, naked ladies. No, not naked ladies. Adrenochrome. It's a river of, like, adrenochrome around him. Because he's also really f****** old. And I guess he's been running society for, like, most of time or some. Just keeps taking adrenochrome. He's the original. Like, the original virgin sacrifice was to him or whatever the. Well, to whoever the pretended to be Jesus that's that guy.

Cristina: He's that guy.

Jack: He's like, I got religion to take over and I got adrenochrome. Cuz people sacrificed all the way from back then when they didn't know that I was going to pretend to be Jesus. And he gave me a goat. And then he killed his brother cuz his brother had like a ball of lettuce or some s***.

Cristina: Jesus was about sharing his blood, not about taking your blood.

Jack: But that's who. Those are the leaders. Now, like Mark Zuckerfucker has been around an eternity as well. Because he drank Jesus blood and became a vampire, just like Jesus.

Cristina: Okay, wait, he drank vampire blood?

Jack: Jesus is a vampire? He's the first vampire.

Cristina: He's the first vampire.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Something was keeping him alive for very long.

Cristina: Yes. Adrenochrome.

Jack: Probably Adrenochrome. And then there was a tipping point where he became super duper mega awesome.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And now his blood is the strongest, most potent adrenochrome. And he can make other hymns. Not really him, but you know, he can make other people be immortal and s***. By giving them the blood.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then those people, the twelve apostles of which one is whoever the f***, the guy who runs Google and I don't know why that's not like information. We know more offhand, but we all know Zucker F*****.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And Bezos.

Cristina: Maybe his name is as interesting.

Jack: Maybe. Probably. Like if I heard it, I thought.

Cristina: They both have Z's in their names.

Jack: Right? And like the people who run the world in every aspect. Right. So like the Queen is also for British listeners making references they know, you know, we're on the pulse.

Cristina: What's her name? Elizabeth.

Jack: Elizabeth, yeah.

Cristina: Oh, there's a Z. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Okay.

Jack: How many names can we think of with a Z?

Cristina: Not many. Not many.

Jack: Zoe, Elizabeth, Zach.

Cristina: How many of those do you know?

Jack: Xena. No, that's a X.

Cristina: That's an X.

Jack: Why does X like a Z sometimes? And other times it sounds like a. Why is xylophone not with a Z?

Cristina: I know, the rules change. I don't know. It sounds like a Z in front of things. Sounds like X behind things. No.

Jack: Maybe.

Cristina: Maybe.

Jack: I don't know. Why is it a Z at the. Just f****** replace it with a Z. I don't know what happened to English, man. We should all just learn Korean. It's way more straightforward.

Cristina: Because that's just about sound. Yeah.

Jack: So much more so in such an intelligent, well thought out language. Not like f****** English. That just had random s*** picked up from random f****** areas. And then the worst part is it somehow became the most popular language. So all the other languages are slowly f****** up by borrowing words from English and just turning their languages into s*** because our words didn't make sense to begin with.

Cristina: Our words never made sense.

Jack: Nope.

Cristina: Ugh. And then the language we borrowed, French, like, none of that makes sense. That's alien language.

Jack: How are we like, 60% Latin with Germanic characters using primarily, like, out of that, 60% Latin, like, 40% is French. What the f***?

Cristina: I know.

Jack: The h*** is going on?

Cristina: I don't know. These are definitely not pronouncing it the way they would.

Jack: H*** no. We're already making weird sounds. The problem is a bunch of people from England came to the United States, stole a bunch of French words and pronounced it with latent transferred, morphed, and edited American accent. Accent, which is a derivative of British English. And it's like, what?

Cristina: What?

Jack: Like what?

Cristina: Languages? Accents, though.

Jack: Accents for days.

Cristina: There's too many.

Jack: It's all the English fault.

Cristina: It's all the English fault.

Jack: Yeah. They came over here. You. It's the fault of most of our listeners. They came to the US and they were like, I'm gonna say a hard R from now on. It's like, why? And then I'm gonna take a bunch of French words and throw it in the pot. And then when people from the America where we were frying English go back to England, we're gonna steal American words and just stir the pot and just mix it up a little more and it's more confusing.

Cristina: Yes. Why would you do that?

Jack: I don't know. We do what we do to you guys planning? I mean, I guess you are us, but what like, what you do? Why do you do this to the rest of the world? Trying to learn English.

Cristina: We should stop trying to learn English.

Jack: English is based on Latin, right? Well, no, Latin is some Latin, Germanic, whatever. German.

Cristina: Let's go back to Latin.

Jack: Back to Latin.

Cristina: That's too complicated.

Jack: Is it, though?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Everything else came from that. I don't know. That's a deadass language.

Cristina: Exactly. Like, whatever they're saying is Latin now is probably not Latin.

Jack: Like, this isn't even English anymore.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What was English, and what is now is some other s***.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. Yes. Yeah.

Jack: We're still calling it English because we haven't, like, thought of a new name.

Cristina: No.

Jack: But it's kind of not English.

Cristina: We can never tell when the changing point is anyway of when does it stop sounding Old.

Jack: Exactly, exactly. It just needs to be a point that somebody has, like a weird revelation and they're like, what the f***? If I play English from then it's different.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: No, we can't call it old Old English. This must be something different. From now on, I must say, it's this.

Cristina: We'll just continue saying it's English and.

Jack: Just rename the past. S***.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Well, that's old English. Well, no, that's old Old English. Well, that's old, Old Old English.

Cristina: We should just stick to. It's all English.

Jack: That doesn't make any sense. Because if you were to grab somebody speaking English from like the 1700s, you'd be like, what the f*** are you saying?

Cristina: That is true.

Jack: But not English. But that was English.

Cristina: That was Exactly. And it didn't just go from that to this. It slowly morphed into this.

Jack: So it naturally shaped. So we need to make.

Cristina: So it's still English.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: It's like the baby and an old man.

Jack: Like they're not the same, but they are.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Fair, fair. Like gradually. He wasn't just suddenly an old man.

Cristina: Yeah. It's a weird transformation, man.

Jack: It's weird how everything is gradual, though. Yes, that's strange. The arrow of time is weird because it's not like one panel, then the next, it's like. No, it's seamless.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's no this and that. It's just we're going through it gradually.

Cristina: Unless you had a time machine.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And then you would see.

Jack: No, here's interesting point you'd make, but from your point of view, it's still seamless.

Cristina: It still seems.

Jack: Yes. A time machine couldn't work if you had a cut to black in the middle because you couldn't control where you're going. So it would work like this. Think of the time machine, right? The guy walks into the time machine. If he had a watch inside that time machine and looked at it, it's still moving at normal pace on his wrist. It's outside the time machine that everything is moving rapidly.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Not only that, from inside the time machine, you're just watching it move at rapid pace. It's not, I'm here, I'm there. It's in order or reverse order, but it's still seamless. There's no, well, here's the black part, and now here's where the rest of it continues. That never happens ever at all. There's never experience of nothingness. It never happened. There's no between the panels. So Even with a time machine, it's still now. It's just now back then.

Cristina: It's now back then.

Jack: Yes. It's still his now. He got. He walked. Okay, this is a ten minute event.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He's walking in. It takes him two minutes to walk from his house to the time machine in his way far backyard. And he gets into the time machine. Two minutes pass by. Now he's in that time machine for, let's say, six minutes. Right? He's in that time machine for six minutes. So he walks the time machine, two minutes go by. He got in the time machine. Now he didn't just reality didn't cut out. Now he hits some buttons within this time, you know, and starts slowly speeding up. And time starts going backwards faster and faster and faster and faster. But he sees it gradually speed up. He can witness the experiences happening in reverse order or whatever. And then as he's getting there, starts slowing down, slowing down, slowing down. And then he turns off the machine. And then he walks out of the machine. And it takes him two minutes to get to his house. A week ago. Right. From his point of view, that is still now, even if, time wise, it was a week ago. He didn't blink back to a week ago. He's still aging forward and perceiving time forward as he's moving backward. So there's no cut in seamlessness to him. He has to traverse space even if time is in reverse.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And there's no cut in space perception.

Cristina: So what is he seeing when he's in the machine?

Jack: He's just seeing the inside of the machine.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Which is still moving at normal pace. Even if he had a watch on his arm and looked at the time, it's moving at normal pace. And when he got out, if he doesn't get out exactly the same minute from a week ago, the clock is gonna be not in sync. Because the clock wasn't moving backwards on his. The watch isn't moving backwards on his wrist.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So it's all seamless. Even his bubble of time, while everything around him is changing, is seamless. As he's looking out and seeing a change, and as he's inside, there's no I have left space.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then things change. But that's also why time travel would be impossible. Because space and time are one thing. It's space time. So you could not exit time to move space.

Cristina: Ah.

Jack: And you could not exit space to move time.

Cristina: What could do something like that?

Jack: Nothing. They're the same thing.

Cristina: You have to be outside of space and time already.

Jack: Yeah. You have to be outside both or you're in both at the same time. Because you can't be out of place without being there at a time. It's impossible. And you can't be at a time without being there at a place.

Cristina: Can't really travel.

Jack: It's impossible. Time travel is impossible minus our time machine.

Cristina: Besides our time machine.

Jack: Besides our time machine. But our time machine does not. Our time machine breaks seamlessness.

Cristina: How?

Jack: Because it's more like a wormhole, I'm assuming.

Cristina: How does the wormhole break anything?

Jack: Because when we get into the time machine, there's no. Everything is moving in reverse. We hit a button and boof, we're there. It just moves us to that space and time. It does not remove us from space.

Cristina: We're still traveling from space and time, though.

Jack: I don't know. That doesn't make sense. Right, because that's complicated. If you think of how space time is affected. Could. It's. It would be impossible in any aspect, right?

Cristina: Yeah. Like if we're gonna go forward, that means. I don't know. I don't know. Because it would be like the time machine. We wouldn't really be moving. We'd be where we are.

Jack: Well, no, he's moving in the time machine. This. The problem with it is that somehow, and this doesn't make any sense, he did manage to stop space, but move time. But in reality that wouldn't work.

Cristina: No, no, no.

Jack: Because if the machine is on Earth moving with Earth's rotation because he got out at the same spot that he got in, then the machine must be affected by time itself because it's moving with the planet. The planet's rotation can affect.

Cristina: If we could have a machine that's also a spaceship, then can it be a space time machine?

Jack: What about the space inside of the machine? You're. You'd have to. You'd have to witness nothing in that time. You have to cut to black because you couldn't physically be anywhere because you left time. And if you're affected by time. Well, if you're affected by space, you're affected by time problem.

Cristina: So you're gonna age. No, but. Yeah. I don't know.

Jack: Although the most practical way would be a spaceship because what doesn't happen in the time machine, which is giant f****** loophole, is the planet is still moving.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It would just not be there. And it's moving so fast. In a galaxy that's moving well in a star system that's moving so fast in A galaxy that's moving so fast.

Cristina: It doesn't matter because. Yeah, you would still age no matter what, though. Like, if you were to travel a hundred years in the future, you'll be 100 years older. Like, there's no separating you from space and time.

Jack: Well, that's what the argument. Right. Like the argument would be, somehow you removed yourself from space and time. But what the f*** does that mean? Yeah, because if you moved space. Well, you move the time of space forward. Where are you?

Cristina: Yes, where are you?

Jack: Where are you?

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know.

Jack: It's weird. You shouldn't be able to see it happening, because that means you're there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And he could. He could see it happening.

Cristina: So that means he's aging. But he's what stops him from aging.

Jack: Yeah, well, he is aging, but he's aging at normal rate.

Cristina: What if he was a vampire?

Jack: No, no, no. He's aging at normal rate. He's in the ship, aging at a normal pace. However long, every second is a second long. In a normal second time span, even if outside the second time is moving faster in the machine, somehow it's not. So he isolated a pocket of time.

Cristina: And space in the machine.

Jack: In the machine. But then where the f*** is a machine? And why didn't you. Like, when the machine stopped, why didn't you immediately suffocate? Because you're not even in the galaxy anymore.

Cristina: Yeah, I don't. Yes.

Jack: If the machine is moving with the planet, and the planet is moving with the star, and the star is moving with the galaxy, and space is stretching all around it, you are so far from the next thing.

Cristina: What if the machine is attached to the Earth, though? Does that not change anything?

Jack: Well, then the machine is in space, which means it's also in time. So you should be aging with it.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: Which means you're just moving normal speed because you're feeling. You're just sitting there watching a normal day go by, huh? Because you're part of time space.

Cristina: No, that doesn't work.

Jack: Yeah, it doesn't. I don't know how our time machine works. It does. I don't know.

Cristina: How does.

Jack: I could not tell you how we're breaking the laws of reality. Anyways, that guy who runs everything.

Cristina: Which guy were we talking about?

Jack: The guy who runs Facebook.

Cristina: And above that, right?

Jack: Yeah. He's the dude above all that. He also runs a queen and he's in a chamber filled with adrenochrome. He's also Jesus. Same guy.

Cristina: Okay. Vampire Jesus.

Jack: Vampire Jesus. Which there's an episode about, I'm pretty sure about Vampire Jesus.

Cristina: Okay, so what about vampire Jesus?

Jack: Well, he runs the world. I'm not sure what my point was, but yeah, he runs the world. We know he's the guy above all of it.

Cristina: Where.

Jack: Because the argument was that we got the cancer information from Facebook that is cross referenced with Google somehow and the whatever data, because that's Google is really where we're getting the data of who the listeners are. And then Facebook is where we're getting the data of who has cancer because we get everybody's records because Facebook just readily sells it to us.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then we cross reference those things and we find out that our listeners have cancer. And then all of that is allowed because the guy above them both who is also the same dude who runs the world and gives the queen her immortality is Jesus the vampire. Because you know, Trina, Chrome and people.

Cristina: Don'T know this, but Jesus has a Z in his name.

Jack: Yes, he does. Yes, he does.

Cristina: One of those S's aren't isn't an.

Jack: S and there's no S's in his name. It's J U B E Z. No, it's J E, B U Z.

Cristina: J E B U Z U Z. Jebus Jeebus.

Jack: Okay, Jeebus Christ. So the text got it wrong.

Cristina: Alright.

Jack: It's a messed up in translation.

Cristina: Does the text even say that? The text doesn't say that.

Jack: What, his name?

Cristina: Yeah, Jesus is mentioned as Jesus. I thought someone told us that his name was Michael or something.

Jack: No, it's Emmanuel. And the guy named Jesus and the guy named Emmanuel are two different people.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But somehow the guy named Jesus managed to successfully convince everybody who already knew biblically his name was gonna be Emmanuel. He's like, that guy's me. And then everybody was like, oh yeah, right, right, right. Totally.

Cristina: Oh. So the prophecies said Emmanuel would be the next Messiah. Messiah. Yeah.

Jack: And then this Jesus guy came and he said, nah, it's me.

Cristina: Oh. And that worked.

Jack: And that worked.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And he was. Emmanuel was only mentioned once.

Cristina: Okay. So it's very forgettable.

Jack: It's very forgettable. And then this other guy's like, no, I'm that guy. And they're like, oh s***, he's that guy. He said it.

Cristina: Guy was like, hey, but didn't they. Don't we know his name? And that's not his name.

Jack: I don't know how this happened, man. My bet is somehow the people who were conspiring to create Christianity around that time decided if we say it enough.

Cristina: People will believe it.

Jack: Yeah. And if we find all the text that has his name and f****** burn it and just say it's Jesus now.

Cristina: That probably worked.

Jack: It probably worked. We know. Come on. Catholics, Christians, all the versions of Christianity early. But then Catholics got real serious about the massacre and murder and, like, taking lives and burning people and f****** crucifixions and all this crazy s*** that, like, created it in the first place. And then they hypocritically started doing it as well. So. Yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Murdering people.

Jack: Murdering people. The amount of genocide and murder that happened because Catholicism, which is a man.

Cristina: It's weird because that's not even, like, the main religion.

Jack: The main f******, like, a branch of some s***. And it became, like, the most powerful.

Cristina: Part of it because it's the darkest one.

Jack: Yeah, man. I know we've talked about this before, but it's just. It just trips me out that there's a religion that's like, we're gonna pretend to eat flesh and drink blood.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And drink the blood of our, like, Lord.

Cristina: Yeah, that's.

Jack: And we call him our Lord. He's our Lord. And we're gonna pretend to drink that blood because he told us to eat my flesh and drink my blood.

Cristina: That's why we kill for him.

Jack: Yo. And a lot of people have died for him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Crazy. And I'm like, no, it's perfectly fine.

Cristina: Yeah, we've gone to other countries and saying we're gonna convert them. And those people weren't converted.

Jack: No, they were murdered. And then we settled there, and we're like, yeah, yeah, we converted. We went. Failed to convert them, killed them, inhabited the area in which we murdered and said they were converted because now that land has our religion.

Cristina: Exactly. That's how it works.

Jack: Ah, conversion.

Cristina: Yeah, that's exactly kind way to say we murdered.

Jack: Yeah, it really is. We converted that area. And then you go there and it's like, wow, they're all white. Yeah, all of them. Not one. Like, they went to some random Middle Eastern country. The only Middle Eastern country that's predominantly Christian, and you go to that one. Middle Eastern country, white.

Cristina: What Middle Eastern country is that?

Jack: I don't know. It's a theoretical country.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And it's just white.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Peace. That happened here, though.

Jack: Yeah. All natives. We were gonna talk them out of Native American spiritualism and teach them Christianity. Meanwhile, they're all white. They're just white. They turned white. If you. If you partake in Catholicism, your skin slow. The more Catholic you are, the Whiter your skin gets.

Cristina: Yes. Like the picture of Jesus.

Jack: Yes. Jesus was black a long time ago, but he got more and more Catholic and slowly got whiter and wider and his hair just got straighter over time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's amazing.

Cristina: Yeah. That's all religion does. Or I guess Catholic, Catholics.

Jack: Other parts of Christianity are a little more welcoming, but not Catholics. You almost have to be white.

Cristina: Yeah. That's how. That's the conversion story.

Jack: Yeah, that's how it happens, man.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it's all thanks to vampire Jesus.

Cristina: Yes. I keep thinking, well, why did we get to vampire Jesus in the first place? I forgot.

Jack: Because Facebook. Because of Facebook and Google.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: Who run by the same guy. And cancer. Yes. Which in theory, he could just cure, I'm assuming. If he's who you say he is.

Cristina: Probably.

Jack: But he can't. No, he's just a vampire.

Cristina: He's just a vampire.

Jack: He can't cure cancer.

Cristina: Well, if adrenochrome makes you smarter, maybe you could.

Jack: Adrenochrome cures cancer?

Cristina: Yeah, it could, man.

Jack: His blood probably cures cancer, doesn't it?

Cristina: Yeah. We need some of his blood.

Jack: Is he who runs Illuminati? Is that our boss?

Cristina: Probably. I don't know. If we end up dead and we get replaced.

Jack: You know what? That's crazy. Yeah. And think about that.

Cristina: But I don't think anyone would notice. I mean, we're clones now. Like, if that happens, we'll be clones. So we wouldn't even know.

Jack: Yeah. That's also weird. But me and Yu's light would be turned out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like the next clones here. Yeah. The listener wouldn't be able to tell the difference. It's seamless. From one point to the them, at least.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The next episode is by these people. But then again, we were fully aware that we were replacing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So the next clones would just flat out tell them that.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess.

Jack: Like, hey, we're the replacement. Because it turned out. It turned out vampire Jesus did run the Illuminati.

Cristina: He didn't like what we said. I thought. You're not saying anything bad, so I'm sure he's fine.

Jack: Yeah, we're not saying anything bad. We're saying he could cure cancer.

Cristina: Yes. Like, we're promoting him.

Jack: We're promoting Jesus blood. You should drink more Jesus blood. You should all convert to Catholicism.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Touch all the children and drink Jesus blood.

Cristina: And that's how you live forever.

Jack: That's how you live forever, man. You know what's. Let's be real.

Cristina: That's How? The priests. The priests were trying to live forever.

Jack: Priests were trying to live forever. They were.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They were.

Jack: But like, these old people who do seem to live forever and are filthy rich and kind of run the world, are always f****** the kids. Yeah, man. Something about f****** kids makes you immortal. I don't know what. I know what part. I don't want to find out.

Cristina: I know.

Jack: But I know that something about f****** a kid makes you immortal. Because everybody who's chasing immortality or has somehow achieved it has f***** a child and drank Jesus blood. They're all Catholic and they all f*** kids. That's the two whammies that equal immortality. The blood part, we get it. Adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes, adrenochrome.

Jack: But also, somehow f****** a kid adds to your immortality. Or. Or you drink adrenochrome, you don't age more. But if you drink adrenochrome and then f*** a kid, you steal their youth.

Cristina: Oh, yes.

Jack: Or.

Cristina: Or I was thinking that the blood gets you, like, mate, turns you into a predator, so.

Jack: Well, no, this is. Wow. Actually, that could totally be the case. But different. Different take. Maybe. Maybe.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They're not f****** the kids. Maybe that's the f****** cover story. Because it's better than telling people we're getting the adrenal chrome from the kid's body and that's what gives us the youth.

Cristina: Yeah, that's. Yeah, yeah. I guess that would be worse if we found out they were.

Jack: Yeah, but like, they're drinking children blood, man. I'm just f****** kid, you know, send me to jail.

Cristina: No, but they end up dying if that's the truth too. Like, either way, they're f*** we.

Jack: What priest went to jail? What was his name? Right. So you could say that. And somehow the church is like, no, he was innocent. But if you say I drank. I killed and drank a kid's blood, or I was just slowly, like, siphoning.

Cristina: Blood off of a church's protection.

Jack: Yeah. Because the jer. The church is like, yes, kid f******. Okay, but kid blood drinking, bad, but not. Not really. But society will look further down on kid blood drinking than they would kid f******. So, like, the lesser of two evils. Let's say we're f****** the kids, not drinking the kids blood. And then we'll just deny it anyways.

Cristina: That's so horrible. It's all horrible. I guess that's better. I don't know. It's so, so bad. It's bad.

Jack: Yeah. And it's weird that this is where we landed, because one of the most Catholic countries in the world is England.

Cristina: No way.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Catholic.

Jack: Catholic.

Cristina: Are you positive?

Jack: Yes. England runs on Catholicism.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yep. There is heavy, heavy tradition there.

Cristina: How high? Maybe they know about this. That's why they're listening. They're like, you guys are on to.

Jack: Yeah, we're always hitting the. We're hitting it on the nose and they're like, yeah, s***'s always going on here. I got a kid in my basement right now. I've been siphoning some blood off of him for years.

Cristina: Please don't tell me about it.

Jack: He's like a teenager now. Yeah. Look, go in the comments below, Leave us a five star rating and tell us about the kids you got in your basement siphoning their blood on itunes.

Cristina: Do it on itunes.

Jack: On itunes. Yes.

Cristina: I feel like we. That's the only place we'll remember to check.

Jack: And Spotify.

Cristina: Would we check on Spotify? Can you check the comments on Spotify?

Jack: Dude, I have no idea how Spotify works.

Cristina: Maybe just do it on itunes because I don't know if we'd look on Spotify.

Jack: Who cares? Do it on both.

Cristina: Do it on both. Okay.

Jack: Leave us the same comment on both platforms.

Cristina: Okay, we'll try to look at both.

Jack: Yeah, well, we don't have to see it on both. If they leave it on Apple, we can just assume it's also on Spotify.

Cristina: Okay. Leave it for everyone else and then.

Jack: We'Ll make an episode where we read your comments about the children you have in your basement that you slowly siphon blood out of to be an immortal.

Cristina: Yep. Give us some stars with that too.

Jack: Yes. Five stars if you have a kid in your basement. But if you don't have a kid in your basement, you have to only give us five stars.

Cristina: Yes. And don't say anything.

Jack: Don't say anything. Don't leave a. No, I'll leave a review. Just say good. Good with a thumbs up emoji. Just say good with a thumbs up emoji.

Cristina: Yeah, we don't have children.

Jack: Yeah, well, they can't comment on an episode. I think. I think it's like a general kind of thing.

Cristina: But we would know, though, that they listened to this episode.

Jack: Yeah. Oh, s***. Should we choose an emoji per episode? Kind of like Sean Murray does for every no Man's sky dlc.

Cristina: Yeah. Ok. Thumbs up is this episode.

Jack: Yeah, Thumbs up is.

Cristina: Or the comment that you have children.

Jack: Yeah. Or. Or if you don't want to get caught, because I'm sure, like FBI is watching since f****** Apple doesn't give them their information. They're just watching comments and s***. You imagine some FBI agents job to scroll to comment to see where the pitas are, whatever. Yeah, so like if you don't want to get busted, they don't need to know. You don't have to be specific. Still leave us a five star rate.

Cristina: Say adrenochrome.

Jack: No, with the review. Just put the picture, the emoji of a kid.

Cristina: Oh my gosh.

Jack: Yeah, put a child emoji. Well, no, they're not f****** the kid. They're drinking their blood while trapping.

Cristina: Yes. And if you're not that person, just.

Jack: What was it do thumbs up.

Cristina: Thumbs up.

Jack: Thumbs up means you got no kids that you're siphoning blood off of. Kid emoji means you got a kid somewhere that you're siphoning blood off of for immortality sake.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I mean, look, let's be real. Somebody tells you, somebody tells you you can be immortal, you will never age, but you have to siphon blood off of a kid and drink it at least once a week. I'd rather die.

Cristina: I want to be like a real, like the vampire they show on TV where you can pick the age of your victim so it doesn't have to be a child.

Jack: So you can be like a teenager. Well, no, maybe people just. Maybe the age difference is what? Like you equal out at. Right. So you could pick age based on where you stand. Right. So if you're 30 and you pick like a 10 year old, then you land about 20. Right. But if you're at 30 and you pick a 20 year old, you land at about 25 of how you look and whatever, that's how like old you.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Recover to or whatever.

Cristina: Like what if you're an 80 or.

Jack: 80 year old, you get a 20 year old. Well, you got to hit the middle mark. Yeah. Do 80 minus 20 is 60 and then the middle point between 60 and 20 is 40. So you'd be about 40 if you're 80. That's pretty good.

Cristina: That's why they're sticking to you very young kids though. Because if you're 80 and you pick 10, how old are you?

Jack: Well then you only subtract 10. Oh wait, that doesn't work because you'd be older. Right.

Cristina: Well, okay, I was gonna see you.

Jack: Subtract 10 and then you find the middle point of that. But that doesn't work.

Cristina: No, no, no, no. He's the younger. You pick the younger. I guess.

Jack: Yeah, it should just be the middle point regardless of Subtraction.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the middle point of. No. Cuz. Yeah. I guess the older the first the kid is, the farther up the equal.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Turns out to be. So. Yeah. The middle point between 10 and 80 would be 40.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Would that be 40? 50, like 45.

Cristina: Okay, maybe.

Jack: Yeah, I guess like 45 or some s*** like that. No, that would be the middle of 90. Right. Because you break, oh, I don't know, whatever, some, whatever. Throw some s*** at the middle. That's where you land.

Cristina: You're half, you're half your age.

Jack: Yeah. So you got to try to get adrenal. You got to try to start siphoning off of a kid pretty young in order to maintain that youngness you don't. Like. If you're 20 and you're feeding off of another 20 year old, you just stay 20.

Cristina: Which is fine because. Wait, what? Because the adrenochrome isn't just for staying young.

Jack: Yeah. It's for immortality.

Cristina: But don't you get powers and stuff?

Jack: Yeah, all that stuff comes along with it.

Cristina: Yeah. Like I want for that you got.

Jack: To keep drinking as a problem. So you need to. After you dry this one out. Yeah. Catch another 20 year old.

Cristina: Oh yeah. Man, being a vampire sucks.

Jack: Being a vampire kind of blows. Yeah. But then man, that's crazy. So there's real vampires.

Cristina: Yeah, but it's work.

Jack: It's. I mean if you're powerful and fast and hyper intelligent. Because the adrenochrome, it's like easy show up in a bus.

Cristina: Most of them are super rich, so they have people go scout. Kidnapping people.

Jack: They probably have like a clone thing of their own. They just clone the same people over and over from the original. Just drink their blood. People who can't afford that are the ones who are out there eating like the poor vampires. I don't have crazy guap laying around. I gotta go siphon blood directly. Break into somebody's house.

Cristina: So those are the ones that are gonna comment on us?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Unless you think some of those wealthy. I mean people with the coffee.

Jack: Maybe. Maybe there's some like filthy rich.

Cristina: Filthy rich. What is it? Child emoji and they.

Jack: And a dot and like dollar bills or the dollar sign. Kids and. But if it's not a kid, man. But the problem is it's always kids. That's really the problem. Right. It's always kids. Rarely is there like what we found a bunch of grown adults being held hostage in somebody's basement. So I was like a kid went missing like 15 years ago. We found them now as an adult in a f****** basement or some s***. Yeah, they f****** snatching up children.

Cristina: Well, shouldn't. Why?

Jack: Like, because it makes them younger?

Cristina: No. If they're growing up as adults, wouldn't their blood stop being mean? Anything?

Jack: Yeah, that's why they keep adding people over time. They're just like, well, I can't let you go now. You'll bust my operations.

Cristina: Oh, I guess.

Jack: But like, I'm not a bad guy. I just love adrenochrome.

Cristina: Kill them and bury them somewhere.

Jack: No, they're not bad people. They're just adrenochrome lovers. Are you. Are you trying to tell me that a priest has the capacity to be evil? Or maybe he just wants immortality. He's not evil. A priest can't be evil.

Cristina: He's a man of the cloth of immortality. Evil, then.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because God's not real. That's why they're doing this. Religion is entirely fabricated so that we can siphon people for blood. Well, at least Christianity.

Cristina: But the demigods are real.

Jack: Well, the demigods are just people who've had adrenochrome for very long.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: If we've established before God himself was just a demigod who had the probably adrenochrome of demigods.

Cristina: How did he do it?

Jack: It's less that story, Right. You go and you eat people.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then you get so strong from people that you're kind of like a God. So then you start eating other gods.

Cristina: Until you run into Jesus.

Jack: Until you run into Jesus, who himself drank the blood of many, many, many, many, many, many gods. Then you drink Jesus blood. His blood is like your blood, but you've never had somebody's blood that's like your blood. You've had other God blood, but you've. You're the super mega God because you've had all the God blood. So now you got the super mega God blood. Mix it, you're super mega God blood, and then you become Jehovah. Now you're super. I don't even need adrenochrome anymore. I'm just everywhere.

Cristina: And then what? Then you die.

Jack: You go ahead and you create a universe with a bunch of people, and you have them. D***, did we crack it? Was that the solution? That was the solution we've been waiting to figure out. Like, how the dots connected on that one.

Cristina: Yes, that's why. But he also did it to make more of him.

Jack: Yeah, so that he can possibly drink the adrenochrome blood of that super omniscient God. That's what Jehovah wants. But it's so hard to get.

Cristina: So he's just looking for more blood.

Jack: He's. We know that he's trying to transcend to whatever the next thing is, but.

Cristina: We didn't know why.

Jack: But we didn't know why it's still about blood. You're human. Get adrenochrome, you become, you know. Superhuman.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then you have enough superhuman blood, you become demigod. You have enough demigod blood, you become omniscient God. You have enough omniscient God blood, you go to some s*** that we can't even fathom. Yeah, but Jehovah has not been able to. But with it, there's definitely a difference between Jesus and, like, Zeus. And I think Jehovah and Zeus are very similar. We just. Jehovah's way more mysterious and we don't know what it looks like. Yeah, but the idea is the same.

Cristina: He's probably a dude.

Jack: Yeah, just some guy. He likes being shady and hidden and secretive or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But, like, he's just like. Yeah, he looks like. Exactly. Just turns into earthly s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like, you're just a guy, bro. What if I lit that bush on actual fire?

Cristina: What if he was an animal in that bush? Like.

Jack: Like a giant gerbil, like in South Park.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like God turned out to be the weirdest creature.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I'm just a turtle or something.

Cristina: Crap. What's that creature that we asked to predict the weather?

Jack: You think he' the groundhog. You think the groundhog is like, Chuck from Supernatural is just some random s*** you wouldn't expect.

Cristina: Yes. That's too weird of a creature to give adrenochrome for that specific thing.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: It's too weird to be like, I'm blood, so you can tell me what the weather is gonna be like.

Jack: I don't think it happened in that order. I think it got a hold of blood by accident.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then you know, any. Almost anything that takes adrenochrome becomes, like, human. Like, if it's not already.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then it could talk and s***. And it's like, bro, I could somehow. I can't even explain it. I could see the weather and the seasons and the temperature and, like, I get it. I see it all. Like, what? It's like one. You're f****** talking groundhog. But wait, wait, wait. Let's ignore that part about you being a talking groundhog. You can detect the weather. You're saying our crops, man. Yeah, man. Our crops.

Cristina: That means he can predict the future, which means he could be.

Jack: Maybe it's just the weather. Maybe he's not like Johnny over there. He's gonna get hit by a bus tomorrow.

Cristina: But we don't know.

Jack: We don't.

Cristina: We need to speak to him. But we don't know the secret language of the groundhog.

Jack: Well, the groundhog speaks. No, they do have a f******. Yeah, we had a whole thing about that. Yeah.

Cristina: Secret society that communicates with him in his language.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Cuz all the adrenaline, people. Interesting. Interesting. So then we have a problem.

Cristina: What?

Jack: We got to go catch this f****** groundhog.

Cristina: We gotta, like, just to see if he's.

Jack: Well, now we're elevating because, you know, we. We before we were hunting s***. Of which there is more.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: There's one f****** groundhog that's doing this for whatever reason. We haven't given this to other groundhogs. There might be something about this groundhog that told us we probably shouldn't do this other ground. Maybe it's too op. Maybe it is God. Maybe we're just like, s***, we can't do this again.

Cristina: After he retired, he became the groundhog of this town. That predicts the weather. That's his retirement.

Jack: But Adrenochrome let him there.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. But like, he was doing stuff before.

Jack: Was he a groundhog, is the question.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or did he take the form of a groundhog?

Cristina: He was always a groundhog.

Jack: He was just always a groundhog.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Jehovah is the groundhog.

Cristina: Yeah. Because we don't. Because as far as. Oh, no, they do transform. There are creatures that transform. I forgot there's lots of.

Jack: Bunch of s*** that gets shapeshifting.

Cristina: So it is probably Chief's thing. Creature.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. But what the f*** chooses to be groundhog of all things?

Cristina: I don't know. Like, it's the most. It's the least suspicious thing.

Jack: I guess. We gotta catch it. We gotta find out if it's hard to catch and, like, overpower and, like, breaks out of our. Like, we got tech.

Cristina: If it bites us, do we get rabies? Is that type of thing.

Jack: No, I'm sure we just get powers.

Cristina: Or we get power.

Jack: It's like rolling around in radiation or something. Except you're rolling around in, like, celestial blood or you got bit by celestial rabies. That's a shortcut to superpowers.

Cristina: That's awesome.

Jack: It probably won't bite us for that very reason. It's the one that's, like, at all powerful.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We should try to force it to bite us.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Bam.

Cristina: What if we die, though?

Jack: You know, that's a trick. We luckily. And it always comes back to this, but we got subhumans to try this on. They're going to be obedient no matter what the case might be.

Cristina: Because if that does kill them, at least you know.

Jack: Yes. And if they become super overpowered, then we can make our army of subhumans way better by getting it to bite all of them and just hold this slave. If we can.

Cristina: Why are we doing this? The subhumans are already way stronger than us.

Jack: It's fine. They're never gonna disobey us. They're always on our side.

Cristina: It's gonna be so crazy when they decide to do that.

Jack: Why? Why would they ever decide? We've established that for whatever reason, they will never turn on us.

Cristina: I don't know. It feels like this is going. This is like the. Was it 501st or whatever.

Jack: We're just making them op. As.

Cristina: Yes. And just like they day that they're gonna turn on us at one moment.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no. Because we're the people who have the power to launch order 66. They'd be flipping for us.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Like, these subhumans are just people. Well, not. It's just our whole organization.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: But these subhumans are just people living their lives. It's like Fight Club. We're the people who make your food.

Cristina: But they came from China. I feel like if anyone's gonna flip them, it would be them. And then. Then they would turn on us.

Jack: China. Property of the queen. Queen. Part of the Illuminati.

Cristina: Oh, boom. Then the queen can do it.

Jack: But we also have the power to launch the orders. We're all part of the same corporation. We work together. She's high ranking.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, if we're like, we're gonna launch and she's like, no, you're not, then obviously. No, we're not.

Cristina: No, I guess not. Okay, so we'll have some overpowered superhuman super clones. Not clones. But aren't they. They're actual people.

Jack: Yeah. There's subhuman.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't know how we landed on subhumans as a name, but they're smarter, stronger, faster, more independent, more purely human. Because they were just born, and then we genetically engineered them to be way stronger and better.

Cristina: Yeah. They were just children that no one wanted.

Jack: Yeah. They're aborted babies that were raised.

Cristina: Oh, they were aborted babies? Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. All the aborted babies that were Raised.

Cristina: So that we could stop people from having abortions.

Jack: Yes, the sub humans were the solution to abortion deaths.

Cristina: Yeah, we solve things, though.

Jack: We solve things. Look, this is. This is important. We came to conclusions and solutions. Resolutions came up with plans. We gotta catch a groundhog. Maybe make the subhumans even better. Maybe make our own gods to take down. We still have to go attack the gods of cat people. We don't know if they did it through adrenochrome, which now starting to sound more like.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, their magic is probably science.

Jack: Yeah, they're demigods. That's all it is. They're hyper intelligent people who had a bunch of blood and Jesus was probably in cahoots with them. And then whatever Jehovah is probably also. And then drank some of their blood. Boom. Became some op s***.

Cristina: Yeah, so we gotta get all our demigods to fight their demigods.

Jack: F***. You know what? We never thought about it. Makes perfect sense hitting the f****** subhumans with some adrenochrome, see what happens. They're already jacked up.

Cristina: No, because I'll turn them into something else.

Jack: As long as we don't have adrenochrome. That would turn them into something else. Okay, well, I mean, I guess they could turn something else, but it would turn them feral if they didn't have more. Yeah, they should stay sharp and clear.

Cristina: So we got to get them hooked.

Jack: We got to choose half, make sure.

Cristina: That they stay on it.

Jack: Yeah, we got to take half of all the sub humans and let them feed on the other half of the subhumans regularly, but not so regularly they drain them. So the other half, volunteers, gets into some pods to keep them alive, and the lights get shut out. And then they get forever siphoned by the other half. That becomes super smart. They already are, but like super smarter and more strong than they already are and faster and like all the maximized. Yeah, plus whatever powers they get. Yeah, but powers come along with that.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: And then we use these demigods we created. Go send them through the pyramids using entanglement, through that technology, straight to where the cat gods are.

Cristina: Yeah, us.

Jack: And then have them capture some of the cat gods, bring them back the same way. And now we got cat gods with us. We can start questioning what the. How old they are, where they've been. What the is happening? What's on the other side? Is it safe for us to go and investigate? Or should the subhumans. They're gonna be like, no, you should not Go over there. You can't survive. Or what? A don't let us know.

Cristina: Yes. That is so much information we need to know.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Crazy. But we figured it out.

Jack: We figured it out. We came to solutions. It's all great. This is a productive meeting we're having.

Cristina: Yes. We've been trying to figure this out forever.

Jack: Yeah, we've been trying the one get over there to figure out what's up with Jehovah.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We solved the Jehovah problem. Now we know how to send somebody all the way to the cat people and solve that problem.

Cristina: Yeah, it's.

Jack: All the pieces are here.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: Wow.

Cristina: Yeah. And I knew it had to do with adrenochrome. I just didn't know how.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: My original plan was we would take adrenal chrome and go to space to where the cat people were.

Jack: You totally did.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You thought adrenochrome would somehow do that. But it wasn't going to protect us in space.

Cristina: Exactly. Yeah.

Jack: But we were being dumb because we were thinking us with adrenal.

Cristina: Yes. And we didn't have the pyramids.

Jack: And we did have the pyramid. Yes. Now we don't have to traverse base. We can blink to the other side.

Cristina: Yep. Oh, we did it.

Jack: We did it. We got to the bottom of things.

Cristina: Well, we're gonna get to the bottom of things.

Jack: Well, yeah, we got to the bottom of how we're gonna get to the bottom of.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yes. Yes.

Jack: I like that. We got this episode. We got to the bottom of how we're gonna get to the bottom of things.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's a punchline. Definite. So, yeah, I guess if. If you like this conversation, there's. There's a lot like it you could go find when we're talking about vampire Jesus. There's one. We're talking about Jehovah's adrenochrome. We talk about God a lot. And all the different aspects about cat people. The cat people. There's a bunch of.

Cristina: Started with a time machine.

Jack: It started with a time machine when I went back to kill. Not went back. When I started sending people into a version of me to stop cat people from taking over the world as a human population declined. And then send people in the future so they could repopulate and not let it decline was a very genius solution. Anyways, you can find those. There's an. And a bunch of adrenochrome episodes, of course. So many.

Cristina: And Catholic.

Jack: Oh, yeah. Like religion, Catholicism and all that stuff. You can find all of that stuff. On the official website greatthoughts.info. or on Apple podcasts or Spotify or anywhere you get podcasts.

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Jack: Yes.

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Jack: Yes. And don't forget to rate. And like she said, leave us those emojis. If you are siphoning blood from people, leave us a child emoji. And if you don't and you heard the episode anyways, leave us a thumbs up emoji. In both cases, leave us five stars. I usually don't ask for five stars, but that's also gonna let us know you gave us five stars. And cue left that emoji. You listened.

Cristina: Yes. And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth, very important. And this whole episode was just to tell you for the most part that all of our British listeners keep listening and getting more people to listen so that we can get more people to listen. By getting them to listen.

Cristina: Yes. And cancer.

Jack: And cancer. Well, you don't want your life to be meaningless. You heard it. You got cancer. And I get more people to listen so that your life wouldn't mean.

Cristina: Yep. This has been the just conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: Are you sure you didn't mish hear what they were saying?

Jack: I am 100% sure I did not mishear what they were saying.

Cristina: Are you sure?

Jack: Kug nug fug. It is a thing.

Cristina: It's not a thing.

Jack: It is a thing.

Cristina: Kug nug fug it. No. No, it's not. That's a lie.

Jack: I'm thinking context clues, right? It's like God d*** you.

Cristina: How?

Jack: Or D*** it. D*** it. Oh, you f****** idiot. You cugnuck it. It's like the value of X.

Cristina: But how could you even guess that from a.

Jack: It's based on the tone of how they look. Like they were joking around in whatever language they were talking.

Cristina: What did they look like? Bros. A bunch of bros is the bro language.

Jack: No, it's not a bro language. It was just a bunch of bros speaking their native langu, which was a language I've never heard before. But bros aren't smart enough to come up with their own language.

Cristina: So how do you know?

Jack: Because bros are bros. So you can't bro your way to a new language maybe. Nah, it ain't how it works. Are you sure all bros speak English?

Cristina: I don't know, because that's not English. But that's not anything that's nothing.

Jack: Coggin. The f*** it.

Cristina: It's nothing.

Jack: It's a thing. It's the most important word in all of language.

Cristina: You don't even know what it means.

Jack: The meaning of life is behind what kug nug f*** it is. No, you don't know this to say. No, you don't know.

Cristina: You don't know this to say.

Jack: No, I know that. Kug nug fug. It is a word. It's not a word, it's a fact.

Cristina: That's the word you made up a few minutes ago.

Jack: No, I. I am telling you that throughout the course of my entire life, I've heard foreigners say kug nug it casually.

Cristina: I've never heard it.

Jack: I've heard it always. Since the day I was born.

Cristina: You're lying.

Jack: Since I began to hear language, I have heard kugnog.

Cristina: No, you don't remember that.

Jack: Yes, I remember the day I was born and the first thing the doctor said. When he held me, he looked at me. He was like, oh, what a cute little kug nug F*** it.

Cristina: You know what? How do you know that's not your name? I don't know. That's my conclusion. That's your name.

Jack: My name is. My name has been Kug nug f*** it this whole time.

Cristina: Yes, that's fire. Who are those ghouls? Are they your brothers?

Jack: Oh, s***. Do I know these people?

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September 12, 2020

Rambling 102: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories

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Was 9/11 an inside job? What was the purpose of this event and how was it orchestrated? Answers to that and more on this episode of Just Conversation!

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On their search for truth our clone duo finally cracks open the 9/11 case to dig deep into its history and its motivations. Following the connecting dots takes them to foreign countries and even to a reptilian plot to create emergency supplies of adrenochrome! And that’s them just getting started. What our duo discovers will alter what they thought was true and reshape their reality in ways they could have never expected!

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July 20, 2019

Rambling 56: Adrenochrome Conspiracy

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Adrenochrome (an blood adrenaline concentration extracted from living creatures), the Conspiracies surrounding it and some interesting hypothetical scenarios are discussed.

Story:
After being informed by NASA scientists that a trip to Alpha Centuri would be lethal unless their bodies were conditioned properly to withstand being displaced from time, the clone duo set off to find a way to improve their bodies. Their search leads them to the Freemason library where Cristina discovers a substance known as Adrenochrome. This might be the solution.

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