Rambling 285: Mining Operation
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What was the Clinton Furnace used for? When was it built? What did its function result in? The duo continue to unpack the mysteries of the Clinton Furnace and the forest surrounding Clinton Road. With even shadier deals being uncovered and more questions being asked then answered, the well just got deeper.
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Topics Discussed:
- Clinton Furnace
- The Five Mines
- Underground Railways
- Classified Underground Bunkers
- Steel Shock Resistant Lining
- WW1 and WW2
- Shady Third Party Contractors
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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host and Overlord Dak.
Cristina: And I am your other host, Christina.
Jack: And this is the show where we grant humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. Ideas?
Cristina: Are you going to talk like that?
Jack: I can commit to it, but it would be very. No, I can't. I can't. You right. You right. You caught me red handed. Is it because whoever's caught red handed committed a murder?
Cristina: I. I don't know. Like what?
Jack: Like that's what being caught red handed means, right?
Cristina: With your hand doing the thing. I guess. Getting caught. Just getting caught doing.
Jack: Yes, but like, where did the terminology originate from? Like, come on, you got caught with like, the knife in your hand, bro. You covered in blood. That's what happened. Get caught red handed so you can.
Cristina: Try to change upper accent.
Jack: No, I can't commit to it whatsoever. But listen to me, man. So last week on Dragon Ball Z, we were talking about how Goku and Frieza were going crazy. Can you commit? Can you imagine how confused the listener would be if I committed to a whole episode like that instead?
Cristina: Why not? We did it on Batman. We can definitely do it on Dragon Ball Z.
Jack: Did we do it on Batman?
Cristina: Yeah, we did an episode on Batman.
Jack: No, but it would have to be out of the random, like, week. It has to be done in the middle of a series that we're unpacking of many things like we've been doing. And then in the middle of that, just make an episode like we've been talking about Dragon Ball Z and just jump in. Like, last week we talked about this, and now we're talking about this part.
Cristina: Of Dragon Ball Z. Oh, okay.
Jack: And like, even the previous conversation we had that we'd be referencing is fake because that never happened either. So. Yeah, we should totally do that. When they have a whole episode dedicated to a breakdown of a Dragon Ball Z narrative device or piece or an episode or something. Okay, we'll talk about when Goku became a Super Saiyan for the first time. Look forward to that, guys.
Cristina: Whole episode.
Jack: A whole episode. Come on, girl. That was like a year's worth of one scream. Just one guy power. It was like a month long scream.
Cristina: No, that wasn't to become a Super Saiyan.
Jack: Become a Super Saiyan?
Cristina: Yeah, that long scene.
Jack: Oh, no. Yeah, the scene that gets shown on Instagram and stuff is from a modified version called Dragon Ball Kai. I'LL show you the original. You're gonna be.
Cristina: That's for him to do an attack, not to evolve.
Jack: It was crazy too. No, Dragon Ball Z stretches everything out. He was screaming for a while. It was, it was really. No, it was like a month. But it was like a good like a three minute scene of him just screaming the transform.
Cristina: And no one did anything while he did that.
Jack: Come on. The logic is like us watch in amazement, but one, everything is supposed to be happening in super fast motion. They're crazy godlike beings swifting around and this is happening all in the fraction of a second. Right. We don't see it that way. We see it slowly, but we're seeing at their pace, presumably. And second, I am sure he's not actually just standing there and powering up. That's the visual we get from it.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: You know this, that's the breakdown we're gonna do. It's gonna be great. Dragon Ball Z episode people gonna be like, wow, how, how insightful. And anybody who jumps into the rambling podcast in the middle of one of those episodes will think it has to do with Dragon Ball Z and then jump in and then the conclude the following week when they're like, man, I can't wait for the follow up because I remember what episode follows and then they jump in to see that. And we're just going to continue talking about what we're going to be talking about today.
Cristina: All right.
Jack: It's great. We're gonna do that. Anyways. Last time on Dragon Ball Z, we were talking about the sketchy deal that happened in Clinton Road and the fact that there was an odd sketchy organization.
Cristina: Who did nothing wrong.
Jack: Who did nothing wrong.
Cristina: It was just the. Who was it again?
Jack: The Newark Watershed Conservation and Development Corporation.
Cristina: They do illegal things with this other shady group. This other shady group did nothing wrong.
Jack: Yeah. How would, how would this shady group have known that giving somebody money is illeg if you're telling them not to do their job in exchange for it?
Cristina: If they're foreign, it's not their fault for not knowing the rules. They don't understand the rules. So it's okay.
Jack: Yeah, that's totally how it works.
Cristina: They have to be aliens. They have to be non human for.
Jack: That to be like, look, legal aliens have to deal with. Legal aliens have to deal with s***. Humans like human. Legal aliens have to deal with us still doing this s***. There's no way that this is any kind of human at all.
Cristina: It couldn't be. No, that doesn't make sense.
Jack: Couldn't be. They would be super arrested and thrown in some dark hole. You're not from this country, and you invaded us illegally. You gave illegally. You didn't do it legally. If it was legal, we'd have to look for ways to f*** you. You just did it illegally. We could just use that. Easy.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: They would love to.
Cristina: Very suspicious.
Jack: Yeah. Very odd. So, yeah, looking at that, we found that that was kind of odd. And then you had some questions, particularly about the furnace. You wanted to know what that furnace was used for. The fact that it was there was weird.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: So I found that answer for you. And in doing so, I found a bunch of other s***.
Cristina: Weird things.
Jack: You tell me. Okay, so we'll unpack as we go through, and I'll give you some information surrounding any piece. On February 5, 1999, the Newark Watershed acquires the property. This is the first acquirement. That is the exact date.
Cristina: The first thing they got was the furnace.
Jack: No, this is them buying the entire property.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: The property and everything on it.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: On February 6th, 1999. 1919. My bad. If I said the previous one was 1999, that's wrong. 1919. And this one is also February 6th. The next day, 1919, a mining contract is approved on the Newark watershed property, AKA the Clinton Road Forest, for a mining operation to be established there.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And excavations were to begin immediately. And so this happens. The very next day, an immediate contract for a mining operation gets signed in Clinton by the Newark Watershed to establish some sort of focal point, I suppose, to mind stuff to mine resources. It's pretty early 1919. You know, we just got done with cowboys, and now we're trying to make America great or whatever we were trying to do back then.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And so we establish a mining contract. Random details that could be of some relevance. World War I ends on 1918, November 11th. So just a little World War I.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And just a couple of months before the acquisition of this. That's two months. I don't know if that's relevant, but the fact that the dates lined up last time, I'm just, like, looking at things together now.
Cristina: Since.
Jack: Let me go look over here. The point that exactly what it is I'm talking about. Oh, yeah. Because World War I, World War II began the day after the deal was made.
Cristina: Which deal?
Jack: The deal at the Newark Watershed conservation grounds.
Cristina: For the mine?
Jack: No, the last property. Last week's episode, the sketchy deal that was just so that they paid them off. That sketchy deal was made the day before World War II. Began. So because of that I'm just looking at wars and relevance. And like it is kind of weird too that a month and a half before they acquired this was also the end of the previous war. So the previous war just ends and they're like, we're gonna buy that thing. And then right before the next war starts, some weird sketchy. Yeah, government manipulation deal happens. So I don't know if that's relevant. That just seems weird.
Cristina: Yes, but does the mining thing have to do with anything?
Jack: I just know these contracts line up time wise, that's all. This was on February 6. The mining contract happened. The territory was acquired on February 5 and the World War I ended on November 11, the previous year. So it was just a couple of months. Weird timing for that.
Cristina: See, I don't know how they're related. I don't know.
Jack: Neither do I. Just sharing information if you don't got input, if anything is interesting. On March 19, 1920, excavations officially began. About a year later, a year and a month, little more than that, excavations finally began and the mines are established in Ringwood, Hibernia, Mount Pleasant, Ogdenburg and Hamburg, which are surrounding areas are just like all within the property lines too. These properties f****** huge. I was looking at that s*** from a sky view. It's ridiculous.
Cristina: I should see that. I want to see that.
Jack: I'll show you eventually. I don't have that ready for you.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But it's a huge problem.
Cristina: How much mining did you say? Five?
Jack: Yeah, I think just that was five different. They were all placed and those eventually became neighboring towns and towns formed there because. Yeah. And let's see, the Clinton Furnace then comes in and that is to be used to process the ore. Oh, so that's in the very center of everything.
Cristina: Oh, that's why that's important.
Jack: Yes, yes.
Cristina: So a giant mining opera, but it all seems normal.
Jack: It all seems normal. Yeah. I don't know. That's why I said like I'm just sharing information. I started looking at it. So, okay, these are just details. If you feel like having input on anything, feel free. But yeah, so far we just have that the Clinton Furnace is there for that purpose. I don't know how this connects to anything that has happened before, but nothing.
Cristina: Weird has happened in the mines. Are they still open?
Jack: No, that would be weird. That would. That in itself would be the strangest part. If these were just still functional and they didn't strip them of material.
Cristina: Why not? I don't know.
Jack: No, no, there's no mines there. There's no stories I've got for you. I'm giving you what I've got, man.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: The Clinton furnace is the process. The ore and the mines would be interconnected with underground railways to send the ore directly to a nearby extraction mine. And that extraction mine would be swift transportation to the furnace.
Cristina: Okay, see, okay, this is very. Not like Clinton roadie. I don't know.
Jack: No, no, I'm telling you what you want. You've got questions in life. I'm providing answers. So this is. This is what you want.
Cristina: There's no stories to any of this. There's nothing.
Jack: I'm telling you what it was for. You had questions. I'm giving you answers.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Where your interest goes. I will, please. And yes, I'm just telling you about the furnace, man. Which all happened from this mining operation, which I don't know. You don't think it's weird, right? After a war?
Cristina: Yes, that's weird. But, like, there's nothing else about it.
Jack: Nah, it's just. It's just. It seems. This is what I mean. People have no clue how this was, how the furnace really plays a part in why it's so haunted related. That's weird in itself because when we look at the rest of everything, it's like, okay, I can kind of put together that this caused something or did something happened over there. What about this?
Cristina: What about the mines?
Jack: Well, we'll get to the mines. I'm telling you about the furnace, which is what you asked about.
Cristina: Okay, yeah. You said the furnace are connected to mines.
Jack: Well, yeah. You wanted them on the furnace. I'm telling you about the furnace, man. I'm telling you about the furnace man.
Cristina: Well, now I want to know about the mines.
Jack: Okay, so the mines. Yeah. What about. What do you want to know about the mines?
Cristina: What are the stories behind the mines?
Jack: There are no stories behind the mines. There's people coming in and out of the mines.
Cristina: Nothing has happened. No one sees anything there. No one explores them.
Jack: The mines are abandoned. The mines are dangerous, probably. People go in there all the time. People get arrested there, going and exploring and.
Cristina: Because it's a boy hanging around.
Jack: No boy hanging around mines.
Cristina: No, he's. Why is he around the furnace?
Jack: I don't know. That's what we're trying to figure out.
Cristina: But he's not around the mines.
Jack: He's not around the mines. He's around the furnace.
Cristina: Okay, Nothing's around the mines.
Jack: I don't know. We're trying to figure out the boy in the furnace. Are we gonna ignore the Boy in the furnace. I could go in that direction and go look at the mines instead. What do you want?
Cristina: I don't know. There's more with the boy in the furnace.
Jack: I don't. I. I would keep finding more if we need more. But I can go and look at something else if you want. Definitely can do that. I can look at the mines if you rather.
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: All of the above is fine with me. The furnace is the only place that kid shows up in the bridge.
Cristina: Okay. How are they related?
Jack: I have no f****** clue. Then it might be the same boy, too.
Cristina: It doesn't make sense, does it? If it's the same boy, like, why.
Jack: So you think two different boys. All right, so let's. How. Let's think about it. Maybe. So we're assuming we know the girl doesn't get to the furnace. We don't see the girl by the furnace. Let's see the boy by the furnace. We do see the boy by the bridge. We see the girl by the bridge. So maybe the boy and the girl by the bridge are the same kids escaping the facility. Hypothetical facility. Escape. Patient people. The kids never dress in a Gallic girl.
Cristina: Was the boy.
Jack: The boy? Yeah.
Cristina: He's never in a gown.
Jack: He's never in a gown. If they were both in gowns, it'd be like, oh, yes, the boy is never in a gown.
Cristina: Or if they were hanging out in the same. Around the same place, but they don't. Because she has a castle. He has the furnace.
Jack: Other than the bridge, there's no connection between them. Interesting mystery. I've looked into it. I've looked into it. I've tried to find other connections between them, other places. People might have said they have been seen together. That kid is never anywhere else.
Cristina: But has anyone seen. When they see one, do they see them again somewhere else, though, or.
Jack: Like, no one person has seen the kid twice as far as we know.
Cristina: Like, whether it's the kid, the boy or the girl. Like, if they see them in one place, that's.
Jack: That's the only where they call and they report. I saw two women out in the woods. One was far back and the other one was over here.
Cristina: Yeah, like, nothing like that.
Jack: Nothing like that.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Which is weird. It's always one at a time. The children playing along the side of the road. People have reported seeing many of them.
Cristina: Yeah, but that's still in one moment. Like, it's not like they're going by it. And there's a bunch of different.
Jack: Yeah, exactly.
Cristina: That makes it feel more like haunting related. When it's like something like that. There's something, I don't know, ghosts like about just there. You just see them once and that's it. That's the story. Once you see them, that's it.
Jack: Okay. But some cases have reported multiple different of them. Like somebody who said the girl, then said the children.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: I drove by a girl and then I saw a bunch of kids by the side of the road at different spots then. Different spots. Same person. That has happened.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Passing by the same female and being like, I saw another girl. There were two girls out there. That has not happened. But multiple different reports. Yes.
Cristina: Has anyone seen a man around there besides the druid? Druid.
Jack: Druids.
Cristina: Druids. There's no men.
Jack: Not any relevant ones. We can go look at the, like big mentions and see what's going on with that, but I don't think so. We had the boy on the branch. All the many different girls.
Cristina: There's so many girls.
Jack: The crying children. The kids by the side of the road. Disembodied voices. Headless horseman would be the only man. We gotta look at that guy. That would be the only. Okay, Other possibility. Right.
Cristina: I have no idea what we can possibly learn from a headless dude. It's gotta be some kind. That has to be a creature, right?
Jack: I guess maybe the Headless Horseman has very shadow person vibes to it. But yeah, I don't know. There's something so confusing about like, it feels. It really does feel like maybe we figured out some of the aspects about the lady and Wyatt and about the boy to some degree. Like, I do believe it's. At least one of the females is consistent. If there are multiple. There is one consistent female that seems to have been horrified at the beginning, sort of kind of mellowed out, eventually started running experiments. And she's just wandering around there doing something.
Cristina: And the boys never frightened. He's just hanging out.
Jack: He's never frightened. That's another weird thing. And the boy has always been a boy.
Cristina: That is weird. That makes you like an echo.
Jack: Why do you default to that instead of it being many children, many different.
Cristina: Children just doing over time. Why?
Jack: I don't know. I don't think. Look at it like this. Look at it like this. The lake is a really, really interesting example. And this might actually point to us why we see her running experiments by the lake.
Cristina: What do you mean?
Jack: The lake is where the pockets are. Specifically at the vantage point where you could just look straight through a Bubble and see into the past. Right. Assume many, many, many of these exist. Then we have a different scenario, don't we?
Cristina: What do you mean?
Jack: Well, with the boy. What if we're just seeing there's. There's a bubble that's been present, many different bubbles surrounding the bridge. And so through time, it's just the only spot that we get a clear shot of and the only people going there. Maybe it's on the property of whatever Other Realm facility the experiments are being run at. Maybe it's just part of the property, and that's just where sometimes some of the patients go. They get dressed and they go there, or maybe they live there. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But maybe we're looking at a spot that we can actually look at. A different time.
Cristina: Yeah. Just on the bridge.
Jack: Yes. Or at a different realm, and it just happens to be on the bridge where we're looking. And whatever home or facility or whatever's nearby has a uniform.
Cristina: Do you think everything that everyone's looking at is something like that, then?
Jack: Like maybe the whole forest is drowning in these thin places.
Cristina: When we see the boy next to the furnace and the girl and over there and the lady over there and.
Jack: Whatever, none of them are there.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: The problem. The problem is with a. I think some of the situations that we see. Yes. Some of the situations that we see now because of. If you think of driving past somebody, you're. You're seeing them for a while, and you see them, they see you, they come to your car asking for help, and when you get close enough, then they're gone.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: That feels. Not like a thin place. That feels like the veil between the shadow and this side being very thin now. I think both of those things might be happening at the same time. I think we have a huge, monumentous distortion in space time in which we have both thin places of all types.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Time slips can happen to some, so they're looking back. Some are just slipping into different realms so you can see straight to them.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: But also we have this weird sort of thinning of the veil so that even without going through one of the time slips into the shadow realm or into a different time, the veil between. Like the threshold between the shadow realm and Earth is thinnest.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So we see things from over there, too, and maybe we get a clearer view around the thin places.
Cristina: Interesting. I think so. I think so, because that will explain that area. Why is it so bad? It has to be something like that.
Jack: Something has explained it. And again, the. The lake is a good example of it because lake is drowning for whatever reason. It's surrounded by thin places.
Cristina: But do we see I guess the KKK or the joys or druids whatever around the lake?
Jack: No. The druids are reported to be at the Cross Castle and have been seen wandering alongside the road.
Cristina: But never the lake? No, never anything else.
Jack: Although the black vehicles have been seen in both the castle and the lake.
Cristina: Really?
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Okay. Because I don't know if they're related or not, but if this is a hot spot for something, someone's got to be investigating it. I guess. I don't know when they were investigating it because it could be any time.
Jack: Yeah, we don't know what's going on. Yeah, but that's weird for sure.
Cristina: So they've been at the lake? Yeah, Somebody.
Jack: Somebody's been to the lake. The lady has been to the lake herself many times too. Yes, she's seen too often there. But only the woman. Woman is seen at the lake messing around with it. The girls don't make it that far. The girls seem to always be closer towards the church. Interesting. I didn't think about that before. There's a church, not the church of Castle.
Cristina: Oh, is there a church though?
Jack: Geographically, I didn't think about that range wise. As the bubble gets farther, you get more mentions of the women, less mentions of the girl. Although the mention of the woman exists throughout the entirety of it. That only applies in time wise, where over time you hear of the woman more, but the girls are consistent. You kind of hear them little less over time, but it's always in proximity. All the areas you report to girls are closer to the castle. And the only places the woman has ever been mentioned that the girls have never been mentioned is farther from the castle. Interesting.
Cristina: What does that mean?
Jack: No idea. Random detail. Random detail I didn't think about before. Further from the castle older. Closer to the castle younger. Weird.
Cristina: That is very weird.
Jack: That supports the patient idea. There's something stopping them from getting far from the facility. The doctor can get far though.
Cristina: I don't know. He's like, if it is the same person, then are they. When they walk, are they aging?
Jack: No, it's not the same person. That would be crazy.
Cristina: How would you know?
Jack: Yeah, I have no idea. There's no way to actually know. You are absolutely right. One thing about these minds that's interesting though, it is the fact that they would be interconnected. This means that current day there are tunnels from neighboring towns around Clinton Road. Straight to a location in Clinton Road. That is the extraction line. Straight tunnels from one end to the other.
Cristina: And these tunnel. I mean, these mines. Nothing has happened in them though.
Jack: Nope.
Cristina: No Silent Hill scenario.
Jack: Nope.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: There was an interesting note about the mining contract that is worth, you know, observing. In the original document of the mining contract, it was stated that the specifics of the location of the extraction mine would be kept secret and under higher government clearance and would not be public knowledge to prevent theft.
Cristina: What?
Jack: Yeah, it's mining operations. So for security purposes, it would only be to higher government authority.
Cristina: That's weird.
Jack: Why that the extraction point would be.
Cristina: That's not weird.
Jack: So knowing where the exit point is is unknown, but knowing where the entry point is is. Okay. And.
Cristina: Exactly.
Jack: And the entry point is in different towns that established over time because they were locations where you were mining. And people, you know, they, hey, I'm going to work here every day. I'm going to make my house here. And so towns formed around these mining operations that are now towns in New Jersey.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Surrounding Clinton Road.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: All of which are connected by one secret mine that they probably forgot existed and got buried within the town. A way in and out that can make you disappear and show up somewhere in the forest. There's a clean path in five different towns straight to the forest where you could just disappear.
Cristina: Well, it's still strange. Why would they keep that location? Because, like, if you. Like what. What is. What's to keep a secret?
Jack: The ore. What is in the.
Cristina: What's the. Because they can't they just go to the. Where the other mines are to find the ore that they got.
Jack: Like, those would be protected entry points. Like, you wouldn't be able. Like you'd have to travel quite the distance. You'd need the equipment. You wouldn't be able to steal it properly. I'll explain why some of these details get even farther as we go by. In 1925, Newark Watershed established Cross Castle as a future unprocessed ore storage facility.
Cristina: Why?
Jack: Because there's a lot of ore. Can't.
Cristina: They just make a new building? Why would they do that to the Castle?
Jack: They're not going to destroy the Castle. The Castle is fresh too. I know. The guy died a couple of years ago. We just acquired it. It's clean and it's not used. Budget to connect the underground railways from the extraction mine to Cross Castle is immediately granted by the city of Norik. So now let's paint a more clear picture. We have tunnels going from five major north Jersey towns into a random location inside of Clinton Road.
Cristina: But this whole time are people not like saying, hey, there's people hanging out at the castle?
Jack: No.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Hasn't happened yet. Oh, okay, that's 1945 or something. No, that's 1960 something. 1960s.
Cristina: Okay, 1960s. We are at 1920s. Okay. Yeah, okay.
Jack: Yes, yes, yes. 1925 is this. And what you are talking about, which would be the original mentions of the ladies. Let me see the first reports. No, no, no. 19, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, first reports of satanic ritual, 1952.
Cristina: Okay, that's still not that far off, is it?
Jack: 1952 from 1925.
Cristina: Okay, that's 25 years apart.
Jack: 25 years apart, but yeah. So the Cross Castle is established as a location. It's going to be the new housing location for the surplus that would then be taken to the furnace.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And that then immediately commences the connection of the railway. So the full image is now five railways connecting to a random unknown location in Clinton Road. And then that already random location in Clinton Road is accessible by both the castle and it itself can access the castle. So the people from the castle can access every single city, every single town that would develop in the future. Just inherently, that's the current situation. As it stands right now, there is a castle or the ruins thereof, with a tunnel that connects straight to some random location in the woods. And from that random location in the woods, that is classified information. Go straight to five different towns that anything could be done at any point.
Cristina: That's crazy. And they actually finish all of that? Like they were establishing it, but they actually completed the job.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: And then when did they decide to abandon all this?
Jack: What do you mean decide to abandon it? When the ore was done.
Cristina: Oh, when was that? What year there was?
Jack: There isn't a year specifically. The mines would be operational and unoperation at random time slowly fluctuating, fizzling out somewhere into the 1950s.
Cristina: Okay, yeah. So it stopped around the 1950s.
Jack: Not really. It was again fizzling out around that point. It's what you're talking about is mining operations. So what happens here is there is a certain amount of minerals underground and they're just going to keep excavating slow. Occasionally this one goes down and because they find nothing for a while or they come up with a new way to drill and they get farther in. So the Mayans consistently were shut, reopen and shut and reopen, but they eventually.
Cristina: Abandoned all the mines.
Jack: So your question is, when was the last one abandoned? I guess, yes, the last one abandoned was in 1951.
Cristina: 1951.
Jack: See the last use of it and it wasn't even for process for collection. It was for remaining processing.
Cristina: Okay, that's not strange.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: But the castle had long not been used anymore. Why would that be strange?
Cristina: Well, because that's around the time that people start using the castle because it got abandoned. When was the castle abandoned?
Jack: The castle was abandoned around 1945.
Cristina: Oh, okay. That's so crazy that they would just abandon something like that. Because it connects to everything. I mean not a bad like. Yeah, like they should have still have it secured or something.
Jack: There's nothing left. When you process all the stuff, what are you securing?
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: There's nothing left.
Cristina: Finished I guess. Except you can just go into any town.
Jack: Yeah, you can already walk into any town.
Cristina: Just drive in or go into that mysterious location. What's in that mysterious location? Where is it?
Jack: The extraction? It's another mine.
Cristina: Very strange that that's just a secret. Except it's not a secret because if you can go into the castle, you can probably walk to that place.
Jack: Interesting point. Nobody can actually pin exactly where in the castle. The railway. The connector is.
Cristina: Really?
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Oh, wow.
Jack: This is documented that there is one.
Cristina: Okay. But there's no actual.
Jack: You can't find one. Unknown where it is. That's the least weird part.
Cristina: What?
Jack: In 1926, a private third party contractor is brought on to begin construction on underground facilities expanding on the castle already existing chambers. These expansions would include the connecting sections of the underground railways. Several sections for storage, akin to underground warehouses, sleeping quarters, bathrooms, kitchens for the workers, and large empty areas for any unforeseen uses that could arise.
Cristina: Like what? What do you think is going on?
Jack: No idea.
Cristina: You think that's weird?
Jack: No. Because towns formed around the other ends of the railways. Because that's what you do when you work and.
Cristina: But then you put a bunch of.
Jack: Things underground because that's where you're working. All of these are where people are working?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: These are the people who are also processing this underground and protecting it at the same time.
Cristina: Quickly abandon it. Like that's a lot of things to build just to like. Okay, goodbye. I don't know.
Jack: Quickly, quickly.
Cristina: Like that's money. That's people's money. That's not their money.
Jack: The ore must have been fire. It must have been so amazing when it didn't last. They just got what they needed.
Cristina: But right before they got what they needed, they built all this stuff so.
Jack: They can get what they needed.
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: All of it was so they could.
Cristina: Get what they needed really, really fast. Like they had to sleep there. Yeah, I don't know.
Jack: Work, man. This is how the industrial revolution happened. People basically lived and worked all cohesively. It was one giant thing. All the towns formed. This is literally, literally how it happened. The railroad happened first. Then the railroad allowed access to crazy far locations and the settlements would happen around the railroad.
Cristina: It makes sense for underground settlements.
Jack: Well, this is the same idea because the railroad is the closest thing that exists. All the jobs must be connected to the railroad. The first set of jobs have to be with delivering materials and things like that. Right. So the people who set up camp, those are also the people who are going to build the houses, and those are the people who are going to build the politics or whatever. But that's forming around the ease of access to the job location, which is the train. Those are your customers and that's your material. The same is happening at the other end of the railways where you have the mines, where the people are completely building their towns around these mining operations. And so the entire mining operation goes farther underground, progressively going to the extraction point and then farther down underground into this warehouse that's supposed to be fortified, as this next part will say. All expansions are to put safety and security first. As a result, all warehouse expansions must work like a safe and be capable of being sealed from the inside. The entire living quarters and worker personal facilities need to be deep enough to double as bomb shelters. And they need to consider the possibility of earthquakes.
Cristina: They were digging up alien technology. I don't know this. It's weird. I don't think this is. I don't know. It's so weird. You mentioned if it's about world wars and they gotta beware of bombs and like locking themselves in alien technology.
Jack: Alien technology?
Cristina: To help with the war.
Jack: To help with the war. That's where we're going?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And it's here in Clinton Road that they think it's hiding?
Cristina: Yes. And that's why they. They tested it out there. And then all this weird time stuff happens. So then, okay, yeah, it happened.
Jack: So this is some sort of World War II? I mean. Yeah, man. Weird things only got reported happening here. Really. Starting around 1950s when they were done. When the war had finished.
Cristina: Yes. But they were done with the mines as well. Come on. I don't know or no.
Jack: The war began. What year did the war end? 1960, some.
Cristina: Oh, 68.
Jack: I don't even Know, but I don't know. It's weird, man.
Cristina: It is weird.
Jack: You think they're working on alien technology?
Cristina: Well, I. I say alien, I don't mean like aliens from outer space, just.
Jack: Something that is foreign to us.
Cristina: Yes, yes.
Jack: Technology. That is foreign.
Cristina: Maybe they sound. They found some fairy trees underground, like that type of craziness. I don't know.
Jack: But it is weird, isn't it?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: We've got an underground essentially fallout shelter for worker. For mining workers. Allegedly underneath Cross Castle. That has. It feels so Resident Evil.
Cristina: Yes, but like they were working on war stuff too. So like it very feels like they were making things that were deadly.
Jack: What do you mean they're working on war stuff?
Cristina: It probably. They might have been working on war technology besides just mining the stuff. They were probably doing the thing there, putting it together there and then sending it out.
Jack: Yeah, but like. Okay, fair enough.
Cristina: But like a secret, secret military base.
Jack: Yeah. We would have to find something to like hint in that direction at least.
Cristina: Oh, I guess. Yeah.
Jack: Because that's just completely speculative. With nothing feeding into that direction.
Cristina: No, it just seems like it's a little crazy. Just.
Jack: It's strange. It's definitely weird to need this super ultra fortified facility underneath Cross Castle.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And then to just abandon it and it to happen again. The weird part is it's Cross Castle and it happens in between two wars and there are weird sketchy individuals coming in and out of the place.
Cristina: Yes. Black cars and foreign.
Jack: But then how does this relate to the lady and how does this relate to the kid?
Cristina: No idea. That's just from the weird aftermath. It's just part of the aftermath of whatever they were experimenting on. Just like in the skinwalker farm where they would. It's obviously something was experimented there. And now a bunch of weird things happen consistently.
Jack: The two holes, the square one and the spherical one, just moving around the property and they're like huge. Huge. Like five houses large each.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Actually no, the round one is colossal. It's colossal and it just travels.
Cristina: Yeah. That is very super. Like if there was a hole in Clinton Row, like we. How would anyone know? I mean, in the forest around, it.
Jack: Would be impossible to see. You'd need to be looking from space at the right time.
Cristina: Yes. And the trees are blocking it. So like.
Jack: No, the whole. If it was the size. Okay, fair enough. If it's the size of like a house, like the small square one that was like only like five houses big, that'll disappear if it's the size of the freaking circle.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: No, like, you'd see it. You'd see it.
Cristina: Yeah, but like, if it was something in there that was like that square, how would it. There would be no stories about it.
Jack: I mean, there are. There is the fact that the paths change consistently, which is a very, very, very shadow realm characteristic. The shifting and winding of paths. That should just be straightforward.
Cristina: Yes. Come on. Come on. They're doing something.
Jack: But that's very shadow realm. What could you have been working on that thinned the veil so hard? What could you have been working on that created thin places everywhere? We're talking crazy tech, I don't know, that's overpowered. We're talking technology the likes of like the Elysians or something. Come on. Just ripping. In fact, technology they don't have.
Cristina: I don't know. But like in the skinwalker, what was it? Time travel? No, not time travel. It helped them to go farther in space pretty much to survive space. Like maybe that's the start of that. I don't know. Because it happened first. Where did it happen first? What got weird first? Let's gonna walk around for this.
Jack: This got weird first.
Cristina: It's got weird first.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: This is weird in general. Everything is odd in general. I mean, Skinwalker Ranch is. Is a really weird example of a thing that happened, you know.
Cristina: But we know that people were there experimenting on stuff. Like, they didn't keep that a secret while here there's just a mysterious group of foreigners who didn't know that they were doing something illegal. That's the story. That's a crazy story.
Jack: No, Skinwalker Ranch is weird. I'm looking at these lamps right now.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: I don't know, man. In the f****** weird a*******. It's crazy too. I don't know. I don't know. So weird to have these kind of. The shifting paths, the moving halls. Very strange. That's so odd. And who the are the people coming in and out of these woods, man? Which ones the black car people? This is the only people coming in now. Nobody else is coming in and out?
Cristina: No, today.
Jack: Oh, this then.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Who are these people in the unmarked black vehicles coming in and out of this? This. Who is the third party? Is that the third party that could.
Cristina: Be the third party.
Jack: And it's party construction group, the same third party?
Cristina: Possibly.
Jack: And is that third party construction group the same third party that's on the sketch deal? The sketchy deal. And that be the same people who had the odd doc that went straight to Epstein's Island?
Cristina: That's Very unrelated.
Jack: Those are all just really shady. Equally. Yeah, equally shady. Loosely related things.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But yeah, it could totally be just another shady organization.
Cristina: I don't know. But it is. That one is so weird because there is no information really on that.
Jack: You had to, like, dig way deep for anything.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: In fact, I had to find the listing of people who just. Their job is to log that. The thing came through. That's it. The stop truck. People that are in a booth, like, okay, this guy came through here. That's the only way we found names at all.
Cristina: But they didn't retract those names or anything like they did with this.
Jack: No.
Cristina: Which is, like, why didn't seem anything.
Jack: Sketchy was happening that was. It was sketchy by every means, but not worth looking at because there was no legal precedent for it.
Cristina: Intelligently done, I guess. Very strange. All of it's very strange.
Jack: All of it is so sketchy.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: The sketchiest. But yeah. So I don't know. I don't know what to tell you, man. This is kind of weird. And it's so. It doesn't help solve anything. It really just confuses more. It didn't give us more questions. Okay. About the castle. There have been reports of people in that time, seen ridiculous amount of construction materials being taken there. Many people didn't know what was happening. There were different reports. Not reports. There were inquiries consistently to the governor, the mayor, that there was too much footwork coming through and it was disturbing the peace for people, and they were trying to live our lives. And you got trucks and whatever coming through in and out of all secret bases, going into this, into the road or whatever. Is there anything that could be be done? Usually times from the workers. The workers are the one like, dude, we're out here working, and you guys got weird construction or some happening somewhere in here.
Cristina: The workers.
Jack: The workers complaining that, like, bro. But yeah, many times people like, what? What? What's being constructed?
Cristina: And they weren't saying.
Jack: I mean, yeah, they'd give answers and stuff, but yeah, it was. It was documented that there was a huge sudden construction effort. That's what the point of the me.
Cristina: Saying that that's weird. They just make it and then they just go. That's it. Like, they don't spend, like, much time there. They use it for a short time.
Jack: What. How long? How long it will satisfy you?
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: But, like, how long should they use it for you to be happy?
Cristina: If it's. I don't know. I don't know. A long Time.
Jack: Define a long. 25 years. Not good enough.
Cristina: 25 years, was it 25 years, the underground base thing? Not the 1925 is when they made the things for them to sleep in.
Jack: Yeah, it's 1925.
Cristina: Okay. I don't know.
Jack: Feels like it was. Well because then like.
Cristina: No, it was so secure. Like why not just have houses outside the building? Like I don't get why didn't work.
Jack: Why didn't a town happen around Cross Castle? Yeah, that's the question, right? Why didn't a town happen around Cross Castle? Or the extraction mine?
Cristina: This. The extraction mine was top secret.
Jack: Okay, whatever. Why didn't a well, you don't happen around Cross Castle. If it's now owned the norg watershed.
Cristina: Like why would putting the place underground make more sense than doing something simple.
Jack: Above ground to protect the ore? You cannot.
Cristina: It's already locked. Why do you have to protect the people protecting the ore like that? Like from earthquakes and everything. Like, come on.
Jack: Oh, because they're working underground. It's the same reason you reinforce mining tunnels. This would avoid the need for reinforcing.
Cristina: Mining tunnels if they sleep on the ground. I don't know. That's too much.
Jack: Oh, random detail about the fact that it had to be built for earthquake prevention. Every expansion must be reinforced. Every wall, ceiling and floor by steel layers.
Cristina: That's. How often are earthquakes happening?
Jack: Don't know.
Cristina: That is not an earthquake hot spot.
Jack: Also, steel layers is crazy.
Cristina: What? Come on.
Jack: Steel layers.
Cristina: Steel layers. Come on. There's something so not right.
Jack: Word.
Cristina: They did not need to do that.
Jack: In 1941, the first Jewish committed facility is established Kelmo in N*** Germany. December 8th.
Cristina: Wait, before I go where we're going. Yeah, I still have a question.
Jack: Yeah, go for it. Go for it.
Cristina: It's just. I lost it. But no, I have it somewhere about what they're doing.
Jack: Steel layers.
Cristina: How expensive is this project versus how much they're making off this project?
Jack: Like why does it matter?
Cristina: Does it even make sense? Does it make sense? Do you think it makes sense?
Jack: I'm just giving you the info, man. I don't know.
Cristina: Steel layers.
Jack: That doesn't make sense. No, for sure not. How where the even acquiring the steel from the mines?
Cristina: No, I don't know.
Jack: Steel mines. I have no idea what kind of mines here. What are the mines? It's or it's like gold and iron.
Cristina: More than that. For all this protection. This is insane.
Jack: Do you realize we literally today, today still have giant building sized vaults protecting gold? And then we strap it with army men surrounding it. And that safe itself is inside of a bigger building, usually.
Cristina: Is that safe on the ground and are people sleeping in it?
Jack: No, but also we have the technology now for that to not be necessary.
Cristina: Was that necessary before?
Jack: How are you gonna protect it from a s*** ton of people who know you have gold there?
Cristina: There are people sleeping.
Jack: There are people sleeping in there.
Cristina: Were they also protected by earthquake? What is protection for? Earthquake? Come on.
Jack: The people will be protected from earthquakes. The people will be protected because it's a bomb shelter. If somebody were to try to destroy the facility with bombs to steal the gold, you'd be fine.
Cristina: But the ores are those. Were they. Was it gold?
Jack: Iron.
Cristina: Do you need that much protection for iron? Is it that valuable?
Jack: Okay. Got all the useless information you needed? So the process, the price of gold to iron in 1925, one pound of iron was 1.2 pennies and one pound of gold was $20.
Cristina: Mm. So is iron worth protecting like that?
Jack: Protecting like gold?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: No.
Cristina: No. Okay, so is that not weird? I don't.
Jack: I don't know. Would you protect your city construction materials? Would you protect what you plan to build civilization with or not?
Cristina: But the way they were protecting it.
Jack: Okay. Would you flimsily protect what you're trying to build civ with? Just put it out there. Easy for people to get. When you guys are workers, you guys are going to be underground, working. You're going to store your materials overground. You're going to go work underground, but your materials are going to be stored overground.
Cristina: That's what you're mining history. Right. No one really cared. They knew it was dangerous and no one put this much protection on anything. So I don't know what you talk about.
Jack: Okay. So yes, it would have been very easy to. In the scenario where they are working underground, it would have been very easy to steal this. Anybody who know you don't have to know where the extraction point is because you know where the castle is. And they're storing it on top of the castle. Not where they're working where they can see it. It's in the surface, just on top. So they store it there. We wouldn't have those same towns formed around that area. We couldn't. Because people could have easily continued to casually steal the materials because the work was happening underground. There's no reason, unless they hire more people just to go and work that. But if you do that, why not just build using the materials you've already got?
Cristina: Building with. What was the material?
Jack: Again, you need iron mix too.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: You could put it over ground, but your workers are underground. So who's you? You need more workers now.
Cristina: But they are storing above ground. They're storing it underground.
Jack: They're storing it underground.
Cristina: Okay, okay. Because I was picturing that they were restoring it above ground, but then sleeping underground for some reason.
Jack: I'll read it to you again.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: A private third party contractor is brought on to begin construction on underground facilities, expanding on the castle's already existing chambers. These expansions include the connecting sections of the underground railroad. Several sections for storage, akin to underground warehouses, sleeping quarters, bathrooms and kitchens for workers. And large empty areas for unforeseen uses that could arise. The warehouses is where they're putting the ore.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: That's underground. That's not overground. They could put the ore overground, but the workers are underground.
Cristina: But they had some storage overground as well though.
Jack: No.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: No storage overgrown. All of it was run underground to be more efficient. Because then you have to consider raising all the iron you've gotten. If it's just underground and the tunnels underground, you push it that way. You don't have to lift it. Lifting it requires way more energy.
Cristina: Wait, but was it all going there and then once it was there, then where did it go?
Jack: Well, the extraction point is in. The extraction point is where you get it out. That's where it comes out of the facilities created where the castle is.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Are just level and already underground. So they were expanded to house all these things so they wouldn't have to be brought overground.
Cristina: Okay. So that's not. Nothing's happening there besides the storing of extra stuff.
Jack: I don't know. I don't know. I just have what I'm giving you. But we don't know what could have been happening there because there's also random empty rooms. For what? For unforeseen purposes. Just repurpose some you've got.
Cristina: That is very strange. I don't know, it's weird. Whatever.
Jack: Yep. But this is all just looking at the furnace.
Cristina: Okay. Now where were you gonna go?
Jack: Oh, okay. I was gonna mention that in 1941 was the first Jewish committed facility that was established, which is Kelmo. And that was in N*** Germany in December of 8, 1941. Just random information. And Cross Castle, which is demolished in 1988 as we know, because it became dangerous or whatever. Which. Think about the following. There's underground foot. Basically you destroyed the top of the castle, destroying any way to go inside. It's just ruins. And now there's Some underground facility that exists, totally fortified, that could have totally withstood the demolition of the castle on top.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Not having gotten a scratch. And has connecting tunnels outward. So the only way in here is through a secret other location in Clinton Road.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Or do five other secret locations in five other towns.
Cristina: Well, we know. Are the five other towns also connected to the castle or just to the.
Jack: To the extraction point. And the extraction point is the castle. So they're all technically connected. If they're all underground together.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: There must be one location where five where six paths meet and one of them goes to the castle.
Cristina: Yeah. But I'm wondering if like those locate those locations are closed off the way the secure. The rooms are closed off where you said like you can lock yourself in.
Jack: Interesting. So your question is, is it only accessible also from the inside? So only the extraction mine is in and out.
Cristina: Oh, see?
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So one way in? Well, one. Not even one way. It's just locked from the inside everywhere else. You probably wouldn't even tell that there is a tunnel there. There's just. Hey, a door that nobody's ever opened right here. And it goes down to this railway. Maybe not even a railway. You could have done anything and God knows how much time and turned it into a fancy easier facility that they ride golf carts and who the h*** knows, you know? And it goes straight into the bottom of where the castle used to be. And who knows how large the facility down there was.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Weird.
Cristina: Ah. There's no stories about anyone who worked there talking about what it was like working there.
Jack: I would have definitely told you that by now.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Would have. What a weird thing to leave out. Like. Oh, I have no idea. Also this random other story about a guy who totally worked there. Like, come on. 1990, the Newark Water Treatment facilities come online.
Cristina: What do you mean?
Jack: There are five reserves reservoirs that are up there by Clinton. They're all surrounding Clinton Road. And they are Charlottesburg, Oak Ridge, Conisteer, Clinton and Echo Lake. All of these giant bodies of water surrounding Clinton Road provide water to a huge portion of North Jersey. They all come from that.
Cristina: That area. Lakes are always weird. There's no mountains, but there's lakes.
Jack: There's lakes. And that was established two years after the demolition of Cross Castle.
Cristina: Are they somehow related? I don't know. What's underneath the castle? How do we get there?
Jack: We can't.
Cristina: I know. I just wish.
Jack: But yep, five reservoirs. And they are all within the property lines. And they all deliver water to the people of Jersey. They are it's owned by norc, the property that the water treatment is placed on and the NORC simultaneously owns because they own the property, they own the old mining facilities and they own all this and kind of have access to the. Essentially have total access to the water of the people.
Cristina: Okay, but that water. Okay, Those facilities, though, are not abandoned.
Jack: Those facilities are not abandoned.
Cristina: Okay, but.
Jack: Yeah, that's what I got.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: That's all the information I got about the furnace and its use and how it's related to anything interesting. Yep. Yep. Anywho, if anybody has any input of any sort, anything anybody would like to say about any of this, you guys can contact us on our socials, on X, on Tick Tock, on Facebook, on Instagram, at just Convopod.
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