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Rambling 301: Fall Guy Luigi and Cali Fires Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised. Jack: Going live in 5, 4. Cristina: What does live mean? Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack. Cristina: And I'm your host, Cristina. Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today we're gonna have a bit of a continuation of conversation that we've been having the last couple of episodes. Because a pattern is starting to form, one that we have predicted in previous episodes in particular. The rich being eaten by the poor following Mr. Luigi's assassination of the insurance CEO. Cristina: You think that's continuing to happen all over? Jack: Yes, yes, I do. I think that all the things that have happened in recent weeks kind of follow that trend. And it's building up to be something quite interesting. I think desperation is showing in all the corners of all of the. I guess what of the country? Cristina: The U.S. what? Jack: The U.S. yes, the United States. Elsewhere too, but very, very prominently here in the United States. Anything that happens here will begin infect the rest of the world. That we, as we do on average, it always spreads out and starts to get to other places. Cristina: What crazy things have been happening besides like the fires in Cali? I think it's like the only big news. Jack: Well, we'll get to that eventually. But staying to the Luigi situation. The fact that they're trying to find a. They're trying to find jurors to convict the man. But the American law, which will not be violated. Because if they put anybody but jurors there, and if the jurors are anybody but the peers there, then they will prove the system was always fake, fictional, and only applies to the poor. That will be the loudest scream. And at that moment, there is no reason why poor people shouldn't break into every store, raid every single insurance building, and literally physically kill these people with their hands. It'd be no reason to, because we know you're only protecting the rich and you don't give a f*** about the poor. Right now what they're trying to do is get jurors to convict Luigi. But because jurors have to be peers. They have to be a jury of your peers. And people who are peers to somebody like Luigi also have gotten monumentally f***** by car insurance, house insurance, medical insurance. Insurance companies are a scam that the little guy deals with. And now you need to sit a group of peers who have been equally f***** to then say he's guilty about what he did, when in reality. Cristina: But he definitely 100. Jack: He totally is except in the screening process that they're doing to sit the jurors. You always get to screen jurors. Nobody seems. They openly begin with I think he's innocent. So there are no jurors selected for this yet because. And there's gonna never be. Or you just. Eventually they just have to do it. And if they take him to prison without putting him through a trial, the system is going to implode and people will eat. The rich people will go to the f****** streets and they will stab the f*** out of every CEO. People are going to go to the f****** streets and start murdering the police that arrested him, the politicians that allowed a non. Like a non trial to happen. Like all of these situations that you'd have to violate the laws that you've told us for years that we must obey. And now we have a situation where obeying the law is gonna f*** the rich people. Cristina: But if they do get people to. Jack: Would never happen. It's not even an if. Every single juror that they have screened, they've had to dismiss without exception eventually have to sit people. You only have a certain. Every person only has a certain limit of individuals they can dismiss. So what do you do when everybody you sit there was f***** by the same insurance companies or same insurance scams to some degree. So this, there's no way this works in favor. So you gotta bend the law or break the law. But if you do that in this current situation, if you break the law to enforce the law, 00:05:00 Jack: it doesn't work. You're just gonna make. You're gonna make it so that the little guy instantaneously decides none of this is real. We can destroy everything and everyone that plays that game. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: Yeah, because it's. We don't do that under the assumption that to some degree it works. But that is genuinely why the poor don't eat the rich. They believe it's the. The whiniest of the poor complaining about the most corrupt of the rich. But if the government itself gets involved and says, well, you don't need a jury of peers because they're all going to let you go and based on that you're not going to have one. Well, now you've broken the law. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And now it means nobody ever has to go to jury again. Jury is you just make us go there and then you don't pay anybody legitimate income for being there to just get that. That's another part. You're trying to convince these people to go be a juror and not go to work, and you're not going to pay them a realistic amount of money for being there. So they're just losing out on paychecks. Cristina: Inherently, it's a very strange system. Jack: It's a very strange system in favor of the politicians and the CEOs. But right now you got to convince the people you're robbing of money to sit there. To then sit there and say, the guy who did what they all wish they could do because of how corrupt the system is should go to jail. You're trying to convince those people that you're actively. By sitting there to side with you instead of the guy who did what they all think was awesome. Cristina: But, like, all I need is people to say he did it. Jack: Yes. Everybody needs to agree. If a single person doesn't agree, then the trial goes on indefinitely until everybody agrees. There has to be no doubt in the jurors one person could hold that b**** up. So what's gonna happen is the person who is most willing to hold that b**** up is gonna make everybody else cave in his favor. Even if they were gonna say he's guilty because they want to go home, they need money. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: You could hold it hostage by you saying, no, he's innocent. You couldn't convince me. And now what? Now we're here until I say he's guilty or until you guys say he's innocent. And I'm not going anywhere because we're getting equally f***** here. So until you guys get your heads out of your a**** and stop siding with the rich guy who's f****** you too. So all it takes is one of those guys. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And I guarantee you. Cristina: How long could this process take, though? Jack: Indefinitely. It could go on indefinitely until they agree. They have to agree, one side or the other. Indefinitely. There's no limit. Cristina: Whoa. But just to find these people. I guess there's a limit to that. Jack: Yes. There's a limit to how many people you can dismiss. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And they're hitting that limit. Cristina: Well. Jack: Which means this trial is going to go through with a jury of peers. And that jury of peers is gonna. There's no argument any insurance company can make in favor of the CEO or the company. There's no argument that the little guy will side with. Oh, you filthy rich f******. Yeah. This is why you needed more money. This is why you had to turn more people away. This is why the sick should have stayed sicker. What? How? How are you gonna convince them? So it's a definite poor eat rich situation where he's gonna go free. He's gonna go free. The guy who killed the CEO is gonna be back on the streets. Cristina: I don't know. That sounds kind of crazy. Jack: Nobody's gonna convict them. If are you gonna. Who the is gonna be the dumb judge to go ahead and override and say now he's guilty? Who? Cristina: There could be judges that do that, though. Jack: No one. That's illegal if it's with peers. And second, if there weren't jurors, how stupid could a judge be? That mean that makes you the next target. Use the target overnight. Now you just can't do anything. You need bodyguards, you need this, you need that. Because you're gonna be caught on the street because you're crooked for allowing crooked people to get away and heroes to go to prison. I'm sure it'll happen. Like this judge decides he goes to jail the next day. Documents of all that man's corruptions are just gonna be uploaded to the Internet. Racist things he's done for the same crime. Maybe a black guy got twice the sentence a white guy did for exactly the same thing. All of that is just gonna hit the Internet instantly, overnight. That judge is gonna resign and then not have judge protections. Oh, it's a domino effect. There's no way this is a stalemate for the rich people. Cristina: Are people waiting for this, this trial? Like, are people like. Jack: I bet. I don't know. Cristina: I don't. I guess there's. Jack: I don't really follow the interwebs so hard, but okay. Cristina: Because there's a lot of trials that have been famous and people just watch because, like, whatever the crime was or whatever the person was 00:10:00 Cristina: involved in and is this going to become that kind of situation? Jack: I think definitely. I think this is going to take the attention of everybody. I think this is. Again, it's going to be one of those situations. I. I truly believe this is going to be crazy. Advertising televised all over the place because. And that's the part that's going to horrify people. They could be like, we're not going to televise it, but there's obvious reasons for why they would not want to do that. And it's too obvious. So you guys give us celebrity trials. You guys give us this, you guys give us that. You were very loud about the President of the United States of America. You wanted all the cameras aim at that trial that should have been private and behind closed doors. Because the situation wasn't about his presidency. The situation was about personal life situations. They have no bearing on presidency. He gets a f*** who he Wants that is a grown a** man. What the f*** does that have to do with his political views? But you guys decided, including CEOs decided that that has to be in front of the people. Well, you really just wanted to distract people. That wasn't for legitimate reasons. You guys are prone to creating distractions and prone to. Well, you're probably signing hella bills in the background while they're looking at this. Okay, so now this is about something that directly affects people. On average, insurance issues. And one that people are very informed about because this made waves everywhere. Somebody shot a CEO. I dare them to not air this. And that not be what breaks it. I dare them. They would never not air it because they've made it so important to air useless s*** that now backtracking on that for this means you're scared that people are going to talk about it and make it worse. You're scared it's going to get worse. Cristina: And know what's going to happen then. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Are they? Jack: It's going to be televised. The jurors are gonna set them free. People are gonna see that happen. And CEOs are f*****. It already happened. They removed photos from CEOs off of websites, they removed names, they removed these people who loved to flaunt how rich they are suddenly are okay with being absolutely private about how rich they are. Oh, suddenly just oh, we're not. I don't own the company. Everybody knows I own. My name is off of there. My picture is off of there. Nobody can find us. Wow. Cristina: Okay. Wow. Jack: I thought the attention was your game. Cristina: What? Jack: So I, I definitely think it's going to be televised. And I think it, I think it's. Cristina: Going to be suffering. Jack: I think it's going to be set free. It has to be a jury of his peers and at least one person there is going to be like, no, you can't convince me. Cristina: I guess that's possible. Yeah. Jack: Alternatively, hella CEOs are going to bribe all the jurors. Cristina: That is also possible. Jack: They all walk away. Filthy rich people are weak willed and for a little bit of money, yeah, sure, whatever. He's guilty. Cristina: But you think he's gonna be put away for a long time. Probably not even like he gets convicted. Jack: He would go away for life. Maybe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They'll figure it out. But there's no way you could do this and everybody not be like you guys did some sketchy in the background. There's no way this could turn out that the people aren't gonna freak the f*** out. There's no way. You guys created the problem. And if the problem goes away when. If it was a normal street person, the problem would never go away. No, no. You're showing your corruption from the top to the bottom. You will prove nothing works and it is all a lie. It would just be the proof. That's all you'd be offering. Cristina: Mm. Jack: That would be politicians offering the fact that. Yeah, no, we forgive all rich people. We don't forgive any poor people. Cristina: I mean, it's possible that. Because, like, what can we do if they did there. Jack: Oh, no, that's an easy one. They saw a street person kill a CEO on f****** video. Cristina: So you think more people are just gonna do the same? Jack: You tell me that man doesn't get like the. The hero in this story is the one who gets punished and a million more don't go out and do it. Cristina: I guess they don't want to do that. They don't want that to happen. Jack: It's a hard, hard situation for these CEOs. It is the moment of the poor eating the rich. Cristina: If they let that happen, they can't let that happen. Jack: Donald Trump has been elected president and he has hired an individual, Elon Musk, to start regulating government and start regulating government laws and individuals and outside companies that get touched, which includes insurance companies that have unnecessary levels of protection. Cristina: That's weird. Jack: All 00:15:00 Jack: of that is now under the supervision of a guy who believes all that s*** is crooked. Cristina: Under Elon Musk, though, Elon Musk is. Jack: Going to be regulating the government and how the government legislates according to its own need for money. He's regulating money. Cristina: That's not strange. That's a little strange. Jack: Why? That's I don't know. The CIA is strange, and that's a third party company the FBI estranged as a third party company. What's strange about hiring a third party company to regulate the amount of corrupted third party companies that exist? I guess if his job is to decrease the money and he does what he did with X, X only got better because all the sensitivity left. He fired 90% of the company to prove it's all DEI hires and the company is running better. That's kind of like overpowered. He plans to do that to the government. It's overinflated. You guys are too many and you're pocketing too much unnecessary amounts of corruption. Cristina: So you think it's mostly about firing people. Jack: He's probably gonna fire a s*** ton of people. Yes. There's a bunch of positions that don't even do Anything. This is people pocketing money in every possible facet, I guess. Like, if nothing ever gets done. If nothing ever gets done, why are they there? Cristina: I don't know. Yeah. Jack: Why are you pocketing money? You've been sitting in this office for 20 years. What's the difference between when you got here and now? Cristina: I'm not get away with it. Jack: Yeah. You got all the money in your pocket. So what. What the happens? Okay, you gotta go this person. Okay, yeah. They're actually trying to fix the streets, but they're being blocked by that a****** who wants to put money in his pocket. Fire the guy who's trying to put money in his pocket. Give this guy promotion so he can keep fixing streets. That's all he's gonna be doing. Cristina: I guess. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: That's awesome. Jack: And that involves interacting with insurance companies who have unnecessary protections to. F*** the little guy. Cristina: We should stop that. Jack: Mm. So he's gonna find out why. There are certain individuals who continue to legislate in favor of insurance companies. Obvious reason is they are invested in the insurance companies that are going to profit from those same legislations, of course. And they're going to remove those individuals, those people. That's why they tried so hard to get rid of Trump, because Trump is going to make sure and likely expose, not just fire them, but tell the world why they're getting fired. Cristina: This is part of cleaning out the swamp thing. Yes, it's continuing. Jack: And a bunch of people brainwashed on the left couldn't handle that because there it's against team. Team sports. And as you know, both sides are kind of dumb. They're sucked into team sports. People don't think anymore. There's no nuance. I'm either all blue or all red. And I do not agree with anything they say. Even if it made sense. And it's like, well, then you guys are idiots on both sides, which is the actual case. But outside of the stupidity of team politics and everybody who gets sucked in, they're proven they don't think at all. It seems like the swamp cleaning will in fact take place and it's not going to be in favor of the insurance companies or the politicians who are bending laws in order to make profit off of insurance companies. Cristina: It's taking too long for that stuff to happen. Jack: Why? Cristina: Why? Like, people have had a problem with the government forever. Jack: Like, right, it's the beginning of the year and this dude just got elected. Cristina: No, I mean, like in. Jack: Throughout history, government as led by the Democrats for the last many couple of years is nothing But a bunch of pocketing schemes and war funnels. Cristina: Oh, yeah. Jack: So like, it's all money into pocket and like, they have no reason to change any laws because they can keep funding wars and be supported by the Democrats. We're like, yeah, send more to Ukraine and. Yes, and more of us. He's more over there. More. It's like, God, bro. Guys, how are you gonna be like, stop funding Israel but keep funding Ukraine? This is so stupid. They're so dumb. Both sides. Because the other side's the same. The other side's like, stop funding Ukraine but keep funding Israel. They're the good guys. Like, okay, we're not for war, but we're for war. No, shut up. None of you think. None of you have thoughts. Cristina: We're not for that one. Or for this. Jack: Yeah, you guys don't have thoughts. You guys just. You parrot whatever the f*** your team says and you didn't think about it more than that. And then you go online and you freak out and you have these angry conversations about s*** you've never looked at based on some headline you read. It's ridiculous. A bunch of feedback loop nonsense. Bunch of idiots everywhere. Super stupid low IQ s***. Anyways, Luigi's gonna be free. That's likely. And if he's free, he's likely gonna go catch somebody else and that's gonna motivate other 00:20:00 Jack: individuals to do the same thing. Cristina: I can't imagine that that's the next thing. He's gonna be free and then he's gonna do it again. That's what you're saying? Jack: Not necessarily. Rather, his existence for being free will result in more CEOs being taken out. Cristina: Oh, okay. Yes. Jack: More people in these crooked power positions being taken out. On the flip side, if he gets convicted, I think that same outcome happens. Cristina: Yeah, it doesn't really matter whether he's here or not. Jack: I think that outcome happens quicker if he is convicted. They'll at least have a little buffer time before the next one. If he's free. Cristina: But now that it's possible, it has to happen again. Jack: We already know it's possible. And the desperate move. Had they not done this, it would have looked less bad. But the need to parade him around for no reason was so obviously a. Look, we caught him. Don't do it. Which is like, wow, you guys freaked the out. Somebody paid that governor to go stand next to that guy. And he was like, yeah, this makes sense for money. Because he wouldn't have done that otherwise. Why? Why would he do that? What reason is there for the governor, the mayor, whatever the f*** that was. To parade that guy around. That makes no sense. It's entirely a money thing. And, like, even walking him around, so many guards, so many, like, walking for cameras, photo ops, so people see he's caught. Cristina: That only helps. Jack: Yeah. You guys just clearly showed everybody you're desperate. And you guys feed on fear because you're human. So are the people you're feeding on. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And they've suddenly seen you really f****** scared. Not only that, you guys created the feedback loops that made them like that. You guys created the Facebooks and the Twitters you guys created the comment sections you get. Because it was money for you. It was more money for you. You and your buddies got money from these things to keep them raged in and freaking out and loving. So they grew up on that. They grew up on feeding off vanguard and fear and people sad and bothered. And now they saw you angry and fear and sad and bothered. Holy. You guys f***** up. You guys f***** up. You created a problem. Then you showed them you're. You're one of them. You're one of the people who could be picked on now. Cristina: Mm. And it's gonna happen again. It has to happen. It doesn't happen again. Doesn't matter what. What the results are. Jack: Nope. Has to happen again. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: It's just the pace at which it's gonna happen. We saw the first instance of the poor eating the rich, and now we're seeing the slow snowball effect. Right now we're dealing with jurors and an inability to get seating jurors that seem unbiased because you made them all bias in favor of f*** insurance companies. You made them all. You made everybody in the United States who isn't a 1% individual biased towards insurance companies. 100%. Cristina: Yeah. Probably even people who are in working in insurance companies don't like insurance companies. Jack: 100. Because they themselves are probably not even getting quality insurance. Cristina: Exactly. Jack: So you turned everybody against insurance companies, and then you're going to try to convince people that the insurance company isn't the bad guy in a situation. You lost. You lost before it began. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: You lost before began. You dug that grave so deep. Cristina: Mm. Jack: That once you get pushed in, there's no chance you're climbing out. It's too f****** deep. You dug that f****** hole for, like, 40 years. Cristina: I don't know. It's tough, but, like, banks get away with anything and they still go. Jack: Right. Cristina: Like, why isn't this happening with them? Why is the way things are still the way things are for that because. Jack: People haven't been in. Again, the assumption that to some degree it still works. Cristina: Still works. Jack: To some degree, it still works. That is the assumption. To some degree, it still works. Doesn't matter what happens in this trial. They're gonna prove it was bullshit and made up and never worked. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It only works if you're rich. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Which means it doesn't work. You're just paying your way out of everything. Except you can't pay your way out of this one. Cristina: Lovely. Jack: So I think that's gonna go crazy now. Interesting things about Luigi. As we said, the courts can't seem to find jurors that aren't biased. They're all on the side of, I didn't see anything. And I think he was totally innocent. Must have been another guy or something along those lines. It wasn't him. Oh, that video. No, that doesn't look like him to me. So that's the unanimous problem they've got with jurors, which will very likely result in him going free. They can only do this for so long before you're 00:25:00 Jack: clearly breaking the law trying to find a different juror. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And a couple of things, right. We talked about the guy in the camera not looking like Luigi. Cristina: Yes. Jack: People have deep dived into this, that they look so different. They look so different. Face structure difference, height difference, shoulder difference. The guy they caught versus the guy who was in the video. The green and gray, they had totally different. They did not find the right guy. Cristina: But what about. Did he write about it or. No. Jack: Right. So he could scratch up a manifesto. Anybody could do that. And if it's not well developed, like, who cares? Anybody could write anything. And at this point, we're calling manifesto. And any idea he wrote on any surface or any technology slightly relative to what he did. If you made a f****** Facebook comment about doing this, that's his manifesto now. Cristina: Okay, you get my point. Jack: Like, what are we talking about? Manifesto. He had a notes app with five sentences. That's a manifesto. They're just saying that so it looks like that's the guy. Cristina: Okay, so that's part of that. Jack: Part of the brainwashing. Okay, it's not a manifesto. The guy jotted down a couple of thoughts. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: It wasn't like they're gonna find this and understand my motives. It's like, no, this is why I hate that guy at the end. Cristina: Okay. That guy specifically, or was it even about that guy? Was it just about insurance? Jack: It was just about insurance, but it doesn't even matter. Who the context of that in any manner, shape or form. Because it's not the guy. It's visibly not the guy. Who cares if he has anything written down, okay? He's not the guy. You could tell looking at them two entire. The guy who took the hit has no Latin visible roots. That was a white guy. Like a pure white guy. And I know people are like, oh, Italians are white. Shut the up. You guys are so ignorant. No, that's why we have two different words, Latino and Hispanic. And Latino are all from Latin descent, while Hispanics are from Spaniard descent. He is an Italian. Luigi, the guy caught is an Italian that is Latino. And you can tell he has Latin descent features, as most Latins do. Whether you're a Hispanic, whether you're Spanish, whether you're Portuguese, whether you're. There's a kind of resemblance going on that you're not, quote, white, unquote, you're Latin, okay? And the guy in the video was not. Cristina: He's just white. Jack: He's a white guy that was a visibly white guy. While the Luigi dude. Nah. So here are a couple of theories that have been circling around. And a couple of them kind of have some solidity to them, but we're not gonna talk about the solidity. We're just gonna talk about these theories, okay? So stay focused with me, please. First, the guy Luigi caught. Right, the guy who's caught. Cristina: Okay? Jack: Second, the guy in the video. And third, the guy who allegedly had the beef with the CEO. Now, the guy Luigi who was caught, did not have any accounts, did not have family members who had United Healthcare fully disconnected. There's didn't seem s*** other than the fact that he had a manifesto, because nothing he had matched. He doesn't match a guy in the video. All he had that connects him is essentially, quote, the manifesto, unquote. That's the connecting feature that says he's the guy who did it. Cristina: Okay? Because he said or he wrote one time I don't like. Jack: Yeah, because he had a notes app with insurance saying, I hate this guy. Cristina: Okay? Jack: So that's their connection. That's all. He's the guy based on that. There's no other proof literally connecting him. That's the only, only proof they have. You can look this up yourself. The only proof the government actually has, the only proof the police has, the only proof anybody has is the notes app. Outside of that, we're just trying to connect it to the guy in the video, okay? Now this falls perfectly in line with you guys. Never found them. You don't want the people to know that, though. You need the people to believe he got caught instantly. Let's follow this up with the fact that the first guy they caught, they immediately paraded without having to confirm more. Yeah, that is. Cristina: It's not what you do exactly. Jack: Kind of a quick coward is happening. You can tell the. And the pattern of that kind of tells you more. It feels less like it's him now that you guys did that. Your only proof is really his app because he had a quote, manifesto, unquote. But you didn't find the weapon. You didn't. You can't. He just looks like the guy. Cristina: Nothing. Jack: Nothing. Cristina: There's really nothing. Jack: There's nothing. Just the fact that 00:30:00 Jack: he confessed in that. Cristina: And he somewhat looks like this guy. Jack: No, he doesn't look anything. Cristina: Not even a tiny nothing. Jack: Nothing does not look anything like him. Cristina: Weird. Jack: Yes. So that's the guy caught. The guy who did the hit had a silence. The weapon, my dude, was smooth as anything. It was calculated, measured, soulless. Kind of like a professional. Cristina: Like a hired. Jack: Like a hired individual. Exactly. But if you hired an individual, you're also not catching him. That's how he's professional. Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. So even, like, even if you did catch that guy, you didn't really catch that guy. That guy. Jack: And then the fact again that the dude who was caught has no beef with United Healthcare. He couldn't. He has no connection to them. How do we have a guy who's clearly a hitman, not some random dude who got an emotional moment. No, this was methodically professional. And then a guy you caught who has no connection. And the closest you could get is he said things that sounded relative. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: Enter the third guy, the guy with the problem. How do we get here? We have a dude who clearly has a massive issue and made actions happen. There is a dude who's responsible for paying the hitman and the hitman for paying the fall guy. Nobody caught the real guy. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You didn't catch the killer or the dude who hired him. You caught the guy who was paid to take the fall. Cristina: People think that he was paid by. Jack: That is an ongoing theory. Now here's. Here is the trick where it might get quite shaky. The line divides down the middle when we get to who paid the fall guy. Cristina: What do you mean? Jack: It likely wasn't the hitman because he would need his professional enough to just vanish. Wastes money on that. And it wasn't the guy who bought the hitman because you bought the guy. Cristina: Who'S gonna vanish is the insurance company. Jack: It was a f****** insurance company banding together and paying the most random guy that could come. Whoever looks most like him. Whoever looks most like him. We caught him. We caught him. You guys can't get away with it. He's caught. Look. Haha. And that's why he doesn't connect. And that's why the manifesto's so f****** loose. You guys couldn't connect. You couldn't find it. It was too clean. He popped up. Did the job. Disappeared. And then you relied on a random f****** tip. Allegedly. And then you caught some random guy. No. You guys paid whoever people thought already looked like him. You waited for the public to react. You found whoever looked like him. And you're like make your life so f****** easy. You just. Here's the story we're gonna go with. Cristina: Okay? Jack: All the money. We're filthy rich. We can make you a billionaire tomorrow between all of us. And not one of us took a single hit. You're rich like us. But we gotta show you as a criminal. We got to throw you in prison. You could get out. We'll send you to some other country. You disappear. But we got to go through this process. Cristina: Do we have to find out what happens to him after all this? Jack: If he goes to prison? How would we know that he's in prison? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: We'll probably throw him in some locked up little room that nobody can see. Allegedly. And he's out in a different country living the life. Because that's not the guy. That's not the guy. The people who can find. I will redirect everybody to how overpowered the Internet really is. Anybody who doesn't know about this. The FBI once tried to f*** with 4chan. 4chan. Random people, just random people hacked the FBI and acquired the most crooked files they could find. Posted some of it online. You could find this and warn the FBI. Leave us alone or it's all going up. The FBI has never since talked about 4chan. This is a fact. Go online. Look it up. This has nothing to do with opinion. You could find these cases happening. Cristina: So there are people online trying to figure out who the real person is responsible. Jack: True experts aren't the FBI. There aren't the CIA. How do we know there was coke inside the White House and it couldn't be found who did it? You guys are crooked. You guys are intentionally not telling us information. While people can hide something anywhere in the world within a couple of minutes. 4chan got there. 00:35:00 Jack: You can't hide anything. We got the best hackers we got the best meteorology. We got all the resources to undo any level of anything you could ever imagine doing politically, doing through government, doing through police, doing through any agency. 4chan has a better. And those are the guys, the guys who scare the FBI, the guys who can rat on anybody with proof who uploaded, the guys who take down the big kahunas. Those are the same experts who are saying, there's no way you could convince any of us that is him. Cristina: Okay? Jack: And they're showing image by image, breaking down face structures, breaking down face shape, eye shape, distance, eyebrow shape, every little bit. It doesn't match. It's not the same person. Cristina: So it's most likely just a person that knew the guy and just didn't like him. I hired a hitman. Like no one in a personal level. Jack: No, no, no, I don't think it's a personal level. I do believe somebody was affected negatively and was like, f*** that guy. I mean, it could be anybody. Could be anybody. We don't know. Yeah, there's some third individual we don't know about, responsible for hiring a legitimate professional who killed the CEO. We don't know who hired him, but it's unlikely either the hitman or he hired the fall guy. Because the point of the hitman is there's no need for a fall guy. Cristina: Okay. Jack: The question would just linger. Also, you guys can look online for this one. 97% of all murders go unsolved, usually when they're unprofessional. This guy showed an absurd level of professionalism. That guy's not getting caught. You guys don't catch regular killers. You're gonna catch a dude who does it for a living. That's a joke. So how did they so instantaneously find. Cristina: The guy, the right guy? Jack: You didn't know. You made it up. You made it up to trick people because you're f****** scared. Cristina: Because there's nothing else they can do. Jack: There's nothing else they can do. But in reacting, they made it worse. Yes, because you showed you're scared. And fear is what all humans feed on. You've just been the creator of fear, feeding off of it. Now you're the person in fear and the little guy is feeding off of it. Oh, and the little guy made the fear that they're feeding off of you. The tables have f****** turned. Interesting. So, yeah, that's what's going on there. There's three individuals. One is the fall guy, probably upon on the side of the insurance company is just taking the fall. Luigi is not to Be worshiped. Luigi is the guy on the bad side getting paid. I mean, whoever paid the hitman is the hero. Because the hitman also had no stake in anything. It was money. He wouldn't have done it without being paid. It was money. He has no stake in anything. His insurance is probably immaculate because he. Cristina: Can afford it, I guess. But like, the person who did it is probably no hero either. Like we. It's better not to know. Jack: Yeah, no, he's probably doing it for 100. It could definitely be a rich enough guy whose family was on the plan and got shafted and they died. And they're like this son of a. No, that I got so much money, let that guy die. So it could 100 have been one of his peers. We're like, God d***, this is crooked. Cristina: I don't think he, like, it's probably a crooked person who did it. I don't think a normal person would do that. That heroic thing. He's not a hero. He has to be someone who just didn't like this guy. It feels more like. Jack: Yeah, no, I'm not saying anybody did it to be a hero. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: No matter what it was because they were personally affected by him. Nobody is claiming some dude was just like, I gotta start saving the world from CEOs. That didn't happen. Cristina: No. Okay. Jack: Otherwise, why the. Are the rest of the CEOs alive? Guys, they're still out there, go do something. But it was somebody who's affected by the specific company that let it, you know, settle and brew and develop into a visceral hate. Cristina: Crazy. So crazy. But yeah, I guess that makes sense. He's probably not the guy. Jack: The guy who, who got the ball rolling is free and will likely depending on. I mean the. The tide. Not even the tide. The global sentiment changed a little. People are cheering on the death of CEOs now. This is normal. Now it's like, f*** the rich people turning into the fires. You mentioned earlier, the fires raging and people are looking at the area called Sylmar and like, oh, f***, these people are screwed. And you know, these poor people's houses are getting burned. And that sucks. Paris Hilton's house burned down. Oh, too bad for her. It enters the rich neighborhoods. Oh, I'm kind of struggling, feeling sad for these rich bastards who still had 00:40:00 Jack: water when the rest of us didn't. Quickly the sentiment went from the rich people, let them lose everything. Cristina: People are watching the fires and are cool with it. Jack: People are looking at the fires, hit rich areas and are like, well, I guess you Guys had it coming. These statements that have been being made are Saddam and Gomorrah, the biblical towns that God smit with fire for being cesspools of evil and corruption. That's what people are saying is happening right now. Saddam and Gamora, you guys are getting what was coming. Cristina: Ow. Okay. Because. But all the fires are in rich people places. There are people being affected, though. Normal people. Jack: Funny. No, funny fact. Every single fire was started at the very edge of a poor section where the wind is pushing it towards the rich section. So people in the poor side started it, you think knowing it would go that way? Cristina: No, that's. Jack: Every single fire. Every single fire, without exception, was started by a person. The four major fires, the Palisade fire, the eat in fire, the Hearst fire, and the sunset fire, all began on the front side of the wind, pushing it towards the richer side. Cristina: But that doesn't mean. Man, I don't know. That's kind of. That's. Jack: Additionally, every single one of the fires was too far to ignite each other, so they were all separate ignitions around exactly the same moment. Cristina: And that's not a thing that could happen in nature. Jack: It could happen in nature. Some of these started a couple of minutes from each other. Cristina: Okay, that does sound very planned. Jack: I don't know. Yeah. All on the same side of the draft. All on this. All on the same. Get the f*** out of here. All around the same, like a three hour period. Cristina: It feels like if they were planned, someone was really. Like, they had to know about the wind and stuff. Like, it was super planned out. It wasn't like. Jack: No. Cristina: A normal. Jack: No, no, no. Cristina: It wasn't random. Jack: Listen to me. Once a year, these wins come through. Oh. Every single year without fail. Cristina: Okay, so it's normal. It's an. Jack: It's an annual thing around the same time every year. Cristina: So all you had to do was be ready. Be ready? Yeah. Okay. Whoa. Jack: All you had to do was be ready. Cristina: What is that? Like, people think that they actually were started by other people. Jack: They've literally caught two different people starting fires. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: Yeah. They're both arrested. Cristina: Well, yeah. Jack: Video. They were caught on video. Cristina: But doing the main fires, or these are just random other fires that are just now happening too. Jack: They were just starting fires and then they were caught doing it. Cristina: Okay, that is crazy. Yep. And it's just in Cali, though, right? Like. Jack: Yep. Jack: You see. You see the pattern, right? The snowball of the rich eating the rich is starting now. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Destroy all their s***. We're Gonna make them buy their s*** again and then we'll destroy their s*** again. And then when they buy their s*** again, we're gonna leave the country. Leave the country. You're not part of us. Get the f*** out of here. That's. We're gonna get there. That's gonna happen soon. We're gonna get to the point where we just keep trolling the rich out of the country so the middle class becomes rich. Cristina: That would be nice. But that's so crazy. I don't know. That's a hard one to believe. Jack: But it is. It is the reality at the moment. Cristina: Yeah. What? Jack: Yeah. And more so is the fact that the Palisades fire, right? That's the Pacific Palisades and Malibu. Big for politicians. That's where politicians live. All levels of political individuals. The eat in fire is in Altena and Pasadena, which is. Oh, my bad. That's the one that's big with politicians. The Palisades fire, which is in the Pacific Palisades in Malibu, that's big with CEOs. That's where the insurance individuals live. That's where the hedge fund guys live in Pacific Palisades in Malibu. So that's the Palisades fire. Then the E and fire in Altena and Pasadena. That's where the politicians hang out. So a bunch of politicians there. Fire went in that direction. And the sunset fire is the Hollywood Hills. Those are where the big music industry and celebrities live. Cristina: What? Yep. Jack: And then we have the hearse fire, which is the one that predominantly affected a poor area. Cristina: Okay, but. Okay, so that affected normal people. Jack: Yes, that one affected normal people. But that happens to be in an area where they've wanted to buy out the poor people to begin 00:45:00 Jack: with. And that's the one that a lot of people are like, this is E really similar to Hawaii. Why is the water off here? Cristina: The water. Jack: That's where the water was shut off. They're like, you guys really shut off the water in the middle of this fire. Very Hawaii. Now this is where the fires create an interesting division of situations because the fires all started in poor neighborhoods, towards rich neighborhoods. Is it the poor eating the rich like Luigi or. Let's go back to where these places are located. Pacific palisades in Malibu. CEOs, specifically insurance CEOs and hedge fund individuals. Jack: Interesting. Real close by. We have the Eaton fire, Altenia and Pasadena. Big with politicians. Okay. Just so happened to be. In both cases, the fire dominates areas where people were. Thank you 4chan, for all your information. Where people are really close Friends of Epstein. Second unrelated bit of information that I will share is the sunset fire on the Hollywood Hills is predominantly taking place around where people are known to have been close friends of or have been at Diddy parties. So was it the poor trying to eliminate the rich and even the tide? Or was it the rich trying to get rid of the evidence, knowing that the dominoes are falling? The rich, the list is coming one way or another. Cristina: I don't know. Jack: And now you have Trump and Elon Musk claiming we're gonna find it and release it no matter what it takes. Cristina: But if they burn down the evidence. Jack: There'S nothing to blame. Cristina: Yeah, that sounds most likely. Jack: It's more likely that these multi millionaires will sacrifice their existing property knowing they have more money in the bank then. Then a risk. Many years in prison. Cristina: That's crazy. But yeah, I think that might be more likely. Jack: And who would they pay? Most certainly somebody poor. Cristina: To start the fires. Jack: Somebody poor to go start the fire. Cristina: Yeah, that's probably not hard to do. Oh. Especially if they don't know what they're doing. What? Jack: But in either scenario, you're showing your f****** fear. In one, we're getting back at you, finally. In the other, you're scared. We're getting back at you, finally. There's no way around it. Every move that happens beyond seeing a CEO die is worse for all the rich people. It doesn't matter how the f*** they do it. If you guys started these fires, that's eventually coming out too. There's too many individuals. And as it gets a little more suspicious, you're gonna get the real intelligent individuals involved. The people who could find the flag in the middle of a random f****** country simply looking at the sky. Those people. Those people are looking in this direction now. What do you do when those people open their f****** mouth about what they find? Cristina: I can't wait. Jack: Interesting. And there's no amount of payoff. These people are rogue. These people are the kinds of individuals who. The who Alfred was talking about. Some men just want to watch the world burn. Cristina: Okay? Jack: And these guys, they're neutral party. They're neutral party enough to watch the world burn. Cristina: Crazy. Jack: That's why people get scared of places like 4chan. Cristina: You can't do anything about that. Jack: You can't stop a force that powerful. Cristina: Well, so we'll find out soon about what's really going on over there. Jack: Yeah. No matter what, the words are gonna come out. Somebody's gonna have the pro. Somebody's gonna put it in an indisputable Kind of way. And when that happens, it is f****** over. It's a snowball. And it continues to snowball. And it doesn't seem to be stopping. Every single day, the inch multiplies. So it began at one. The next day it's two. Perfectly fine. But the next day it's four. Still kind of slow. The next day is eight. It's picking up, but it's still slow. What happens at day 100? Oh, it doesn't stop. It's a snowball. The bigger the snowball, the more snow it can collect in a single rotation. So it gets bigger, faster. 00:50:00 Jack: So what do you do? Yep, Every single step. Why did you guys surround him? Why did you guys get politicians surrounding him? You made that too suspicious. People wanted to look at what's happening. People looked at what's happening and they're like, hold the up. This guy doesn't look the same. People started sending it to the right places. Hey, you dark individuals down there in the hole, we don't address because you guys are scary. Take a look at this. You guys never seem to be wrong. The dark spoke back and said, that's not the same guy. Well, interesting. The dark said, that's not the same guy. The dark has no stake in anything. They don't care. Leave us alone. And we're good. A question. And it was like, mirror, mirror on the wall, who the f*** is this guy? They were like, not the guy that they say he is. Well, interesting. Okay. Mirror, mirror on the wall had these fires get started. Well, they were all started in the down of where the draft was going. So it's gonna be taken up. Interesting. Fascinating little detail. Mirror, mirror, little by little, every move they make, points more at them. Cristina: Ridiculous. I don't get it. I don't get it. Especially though, turning off the water. Jack: It's an area they've wanted to turn into something like eat in. I mean like the Altena or Pasadena or Pacific Palisades. They wanted to upscale it, but it's a lower income area. What an opportunity. Cristina: Yes. Jack: That is actually interesting point that you would mention that that specific side with the poor people, weirdly enough, is the most important side here. That's the most. Because the other ones are just on point. It's too on the nose. It kind of like we have no information here. We don't know who did this. Could it be the poor attacking the rich? Could it? That's the one that tells us it's the rich doing it. Cristina: Yes. Jack: That's where they f***** up. That's where they F***** it up. Had they not hit that spot. Their greed got to them. Cristina: They revealed they hit it. But like the still. The whole water thing. Jack: No. No. Because it doesn't make any f****** sense. It doesn't make any f****** sense. All of them started down for this one. It also did. Cristina: Mm. Jack: That doesn't make any sense. You don't need to cut off the water for that immediately to be suspicious. Cristina: Mm. Jack: The fire started towards all of these rich areas. And in this one poor area that all those same rich a******* have been trying to buy out, the fire also started below. And it's the only area that the fire started at like that that isn't rich. And it's just so happens to be the one f****** spot they've all been trying to get. Cristina: Mm. That is very sus. Yeah. Jack: So all they happened with Sylmar is them out themselves. It's the cause the rich started it. Trying to delete all their data, trying to erase all their evidence. Cristina: Insane. Jack: Now we can throw away. This is the poor eating the rich for this fire instance. This is the rich getting desperate. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Because the dominoes are falling. Now the question is one of two things. Because again, everything splits down the middle. And again we're looking at the right people who know how to break this information apart. The theories that came up about this were actually really substantially good questions. Did the rich do it trying to cover up their tracks? Or did whoever. The individuals who actually. Who. Who are actually their bosses, the people who make them famous. The people who get them up there are like, we're gonna punish you guys for getting caught and cut that off so it doesn't come back to us. Because then people are gonna know who we are. Cristina: I don't know. That one mysterious. The one poor thing makes me think it's just the rich people. Jack: It could totally be. But the problem is the guy who runs them is still the rich people. And now your question has to be, would they destroy their own? Probably somebody punishing them is their boss. Like you guys are getting caught left and right. Nope. I'm not gonna be part of this. You it up. You're gonna get punished for it. Cristina: Okay. Jack: We know it's likely that not that the rich people themselves, but that their boss because of one f****** thing. The moment that the Diddy thing happened, they tried to connect the Epstein people to it. They're just trying to throw. Everybody looking at Diddy. Look at Diddy. Everybody look over there and leave us alone. Everybody keep looking at Diddy. Celebrities whole purpose in existence is to Distract people from 00:55:00 Jack: the CEOs and the politicians at this point. And they get paid knowing that's their f****** job. Your job is to cover up. And whatever the f*** happens, you're always going to be the COVID up. You're here to protect us. We'll make you famous because you want to be famous and because you're going to play ball. If you don't play ball, who gets famous? Nobody gets famous. If you don't play ball. Notoriously, you have to. But what ball are you playing? It's music. It's movies. What the f*** do you mean play ball? Who you playing ball for if you're all artists here? Oh, for the people who own the art companies. Yeah, the CEOs. For the people invested in the art companies. The politicians. Cristina: Crazy. Jack: Did he happens? Oh, the two lawyers are married now. Anybody who wasn't paying attention to Diddy. Oh, what are the odds? And now you got sucked into that side anyways. Tying random events so that you keep looking at Diddy so that you only look at the celebrities. That just makes the celebrities looks like their only job was ever to be a fall person. And you get to be famous. But if we ever ask you to fall, you have to. Cristina: Okay, does this make sense? Jack: Except somebody fall when they shouldn't have. Did he? He slipped. So we're gonna punish you. Extra. Extra. Anybody who can be outed because of you is also gonna be punished. Or the desperation of the f****** hit. We got to keep f****** throwing people in there. We got it. We can't bring attention to ourselves. Throw more noise at the Diddy situation. As loud as we possibly can. People looking too hard at a CEO getting shot by a random person. Cristina: There's too much happening. Jack: Too much happening. We're seeing it lose control. We're seeing people, the rich panic. Cristina: So then it is someone higher up doing all this. Jack: At least the dark holes with the information believe strongly it's leaning more in that favor. Okay, Whaat they believe it's leaning much more in favor of this is some. Cristina: Cleanup job or something. Jack: It's a cleanup job. It's a cleanup job. We're getting too close to revealing these lists. And now we just elected the guys who are going to do everything in their power to do that. Get rid of all the evidence. They straight up said they're gonna release all the information. Get rid of all the evidence. We're not connected to anything. Destroy everything. You can't find every shred of everything. Destroy it all. Destroy the house it happened in. Cristina: Okay? Jack: Everything goes no proof of anything. Cristina: Yeah. That's horrible. It's so crazy. It's so crazy. Jack: Desperate times are getting more desperate. The actions are looking more desperate. Either that or it is people, Civilians actively already attacking the rich. Cristina: That is one idea, I guess. Yeah. Jack: It seems less likely that sheep are going to try to attack a wolf. A lot of people have been brainwashed down into a really complacent spot in life where you're like, I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna risk me going to jail. That's. Which means somebody got paid to do this. How do you get paid to do this? Rich people paid you it. Cristina: That's the only way. That's really it. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: At the end of the day. Jack: And the rich people are doing it to cover their tracks. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: It's desperation. They're like, f*** all of Cali. There's nothing but poor people here. Anyways. F*** my house. I could buy another one anywhere. Dang it, Diddy Scott. I ain't hanging out with him anymore. Cristina: They probably start over. More than one house. Jack: Like, just go to the other one. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: It's safer to own property than it is to keep your money. They already separate their money into assets that they can liquidate at any given moment. Had they. If they needed more money. Can't be taxed on some s*** that isn't physical cash, man. Cristina: So most likely someone did this. Jack: Most likely. Several different civilians around the same time were all paid by rich individuals to destroy their homes through fires that would follow the draft and set ablaze to all the evidence that they were on that Epstein was close to them, that they were close to Epstein or that they were close to Diddy or any of that. It was those areas that were predominantly affected which is the sketchiest part of this whole. Cristina: Very sketchy. Jack: Very sketchy. Interesting note that. Cristina: That is pretty interesting. I don't know. I thought these are just fires or the aliens did it, but mostly just fires. Jack: Weirdly enough, the alien thing is a whole different mess that we're still unclear about. But somehow I am more convinced that also has to do with Luigi somehow. Cristina: Oh, my God. Jack: That's part of Luigi. Or the fire. All of this is one thing. Everything we're seeing is one thing occurring somehow. We just don't know how there's not coincidentally a thousand different. No, no, no, 01:00:00 Jack: no, no, no. Something weird is going on. And it's all one f****** thing. Cristina: And we're gonna figure that out. Jack: We're gonna figure that out. It's all one f****** thing. Cristina: All Right. Jack: We don't know how. No, because they're trying really hard to keep all the parts separate, but they keep slipping out. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And connecting random dots they didn't want people to see. Cristina: So I don't know. They still have such an advantage, but we'll see. Jack: They've never had an advantage, really. It just comes down to the fact that the people, like, real profound, hack through anything. Individuals, people, real skill, real talent. They don't care about other things. They're just. They love what they do. That's why they get as good at doing it as they get. So the people who can easily put a stop to them are not on their side or against them. They're neutral party, like, whatever. These are the same people who could just deposit a million dollars into their account off of anybody else's account. These aren't people who struggle in life. They're just bored and past time. But those are the right people to ask for information because they also love. Again, they love their job. They love what they do for fun. Cristina: It's not even a job. It's not even a job. Jack: It's for fun. Exactly. Well, I say the job because it's all they do. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: But they love what they do. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: The point that if you pose the question, you're gonna get the most honest, direct shot ever. And it's like, well, if we go through all our avenues and look at this from this light. From that light. From this angle. From that angle, this is what it looks like. Cristina: It's like, crazy. Jack: Thank you, you, you lovely skilled individuals, please dive deeper and reveal more. Cristina: Okay? Jack: And any of you 4chan individuals, I mean, anybody of you who are in here, you already know who I am over there. But any of you who haven't communicated with me because I don't necessarily post all the time. Good job. Cristina: Good job. Jack: And keep looking. Keep looking. I know where the real. I know we are the real people. Not saying I'm some crazy level hacker. I just hang out on 4chan, but I know that 4chan is the real people. Those are the people who could solve any problem or create any problem. That's what went FBI. That's when the FBI started getting handsy. They were like, hey, look what we found about you guys, okay? And they were like, oh, no, you guys are innocent. Never mind. You guys are innocent. Innocent. It's like, yeah, I thought we were. I thought we were. Now go away. Yes, gladly. Never again has the FBI bothered because that's. That's corruption. Cristina: Mm. Jack: But the problem is FBI in the pocket of a bunch of CEOs. So the FBI is coming down too. As everything starts to unravel and the snowball gets bigger, there are few things it's not gonna trample. Anyways, that's what I got. That's. Cristina: The week has been wild, I guess, or since the last time we've been here. Jack: Yeah, it's been heftily. Cristina: It's been an interesting start of the year. Jack: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. I initially wanted to do a year, a review of last year, but the first week of this year has been so much we couldn't. So maybe next week, but we might not even get to that, depending what happens between now and then. Cristina: All right, well, because we're gonna be. Jack: Following this closely because this is spinning out of control and I want to be here for it. So if you guys want information on this, be sure to find us and contact us with anything else you found or any details you think we should give us information? Yeah, anything you find, let us know. We're going to be talking about it. We're going to be your news source for what's happening here. So you can find us, you can contact us, you can reach us on our socials. That's at just convo pod on Tick Tock, on X, on Instagram, on Facebook. Feel free to reach out and tell us what things you want us to look at. Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show. Jack: And remember, word of mouth is the most overpowered thing in the world. And if you want people fully aware of the fact that the rich are slowly being eaten, we're the ones talking about it. Bring it this way. Tell them to come listen. Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. Jack: Saba. Good morning. 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August 10, 2024

Rambling 285: Mining Operation

August 10, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

What was the Clinton Furnace used for? When was it built? What did its function result in? The duo continue to unpack the mysteries of the Clinton Furnace and the forest surrounding Clinton Road. With even shadier deals being uncovered and more questions being asked then answered, the well just got deeper.

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Clinton Furnace
The Five Mines
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Classified Underground Bunkers
Steel Shock Resistant Lining
WW1 and WW2
Shady Third Party Contractors

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host and Overlord Dak.

Cristina: And I am your other host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we grant humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. Ideas?

Cristina: Are you going to talk like that?

Jack: I can commit to it, but it would be very. No, I can't. I can't. You right. You right. You caught me red handed. Is it because whoever's caught red handed committed a murder?

Cristina: I. I don't know. Like what?

Jack: Like that's what being caught red handed means, right?

Cristina: With your hand doing the thing. I guess. Getting caught. Just getting caught doing.

Jack: Yes, but like, where did the terminology originate from? Like, come on, you got caught with like, the knife in your hand, bro. You covered in blood. That's what happened. Get caught red handed so you can.

Cristina: Try to change upper accent.

Jack: No, I can't commit to it whatsoever. But listen to me, man. So last week on Dragon Ball Z, we were talking about how Goku and Frieza were going crazy. Can you commit? Can you imagine how confused the listener would be if I committed to a whole episode like that instead?

Cristina: Why not? We did it on Batman. We can definitely do it on Dragon Ball Z.

Jack: Did we do it on Batman?

Cristina: Yeah, we did an episode on Batman.

Jack: No, but it would have to be out of the random, like, week. It has to be done in the middle of a series that we're unpacking of many things like we've been doing. And then in the middle of that, just make an episode like we've been talking about Dragon Ball Z and just jump in. Like, last week we talked about this, and now we're talking about this part.

Cristina: Of Dragon Ball Z. Oh, okay.

Jack: And like, even the previous conversation we had that we'd be referencing is fake because that never happened either. So. Yeah, we should totally do that. When they have a whole episode dedicated to a breakdown of a Dragon Ball Z narrative device or piece or an episode or something. Okay, we'll talk about when Goku became a Super Saiyan for the first time. Look forward to that, guys.

Cristina: Whole episode.

Jack: A whole episode. Come on, girl. That was like a year's worth of one scream. Just one guy power. It was like a month long scream.

Cristina: No, that wasn't to become a Super Saiyan.

Jack: Become a Super Saiyan?

Cristina: Yeah, that long scene.

Jack: Oh, no. Yeah, the scene that gets shown on Instagram and stuff is from a modified version called Dragon Ball Kai. I'LL show you the original. You're gonna be.

Cristina: That's for him to do an attack, not to evolve.

Jack: It was crazy too. No, Dragon Ball Z stretches everything out. He was screaming for a while. It was, it was really. No, it was like a month. But it was like a good like a three minute scene of him just screaming the transform.

Cristina: And no one did anything while he did that.

Jack: Come on. The logic is like us watch in amazement, but one, everything is supposed to be happening in super fast motion. They're crazy godlike beings swifting around and this is happening all in the fraction of a second. Right. We don't see it that way. We see it slowly, but we're seeing at their pace, presumably. And second, I am sure he's not actually just standing there and powering up. That's the visual we get from it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know this, that's the breakdown we're gonna do. It's gonna be great. Dragon Ball Z episode people gonna be like, wow, how, how insightful. And anybody who jumps into the rambling podcast in the middle of one of those episodes will think it has to do with Dragon Ball Z and then jump in and then the conclude the following week when they're like, man, I can't wait for the follow up because I remember what episode follows and then they jump in to see that. And we're just going to continue talking about what we're going to be talking about today.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: It's great. We're gonna do that. Anyways. Last time on Dragon Ball Z, we were talking about the sketchy deal that happened in Clinton Road and the fact that there was an odd sketchy organization.

Cristina: Who did nothing wrong.

Jack: Who did nothing wrong.

Cristina: It was just the. Who was it again?

Jack: The Newark Watershed Conservation and Development Corporation.

Cristina: They do illegal things with this other shady group. This other shady group did nothing wrong.

Jack: Yeah. How would, how would this shady group have known that giving somebody money is illeg if you're telling them not to do their job in exchange for it?

Cristina: If they're foreign, it's not their fault for not knowing the rules. They don't understand the rules. So it's okay.

Jack: Yeah, that's totally how it works.

Cristina: They have to be aliens. They have to be non human for.

Jack: That to be like, look, legal aliens have to deal with. Legal aliens have to deal with s***. Humans like human. Legal aliens have to deal with us still doing this s***. There's no way that this is any kind of human at all.

Cristina: It couldn't be. No, that doesn't make sense.

Jack: Couldn't be. They would be super arrested and thrown in some dark hole. You're not from this country, and you invaded us illegally. You gave illegally. You didn't do it legally. If it was legal, we'd have to look for ways to f*** you. You just did it illegally. We could just use that. Easy.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They would love to.

Cristina: Very suspicious.

Jack: Yeah. Very odd. So, yeah, looking at that, we found that that was kind of odd. And then you had some questions, particularly about the furnace. You wanted to know what that furnace was used for. The fact that it was there was weird.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So I found that answer for you. And in doing so, I found a bunch of other s***.

Cristina: Weird things.

Jack: You tell me. Okay, so we'll unpack as we go through, and I'll give you some information surrounding any piece. On February 5, 1999, the Newark Watershed acquires the property. This is the first acquirement. That is the exact date.

Cristina: The first thing they got was the furnace.

Jack: No, this is them buying the entire property.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The property and everything on it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: On February 6th, 1999. 1919. My bad. If I said the previous one was 1999, that's wrong. 1919. And this one is also February 6th. The next day, 1919, a mining contract is approved on the Newark watershed property, AKA the Clinton Road Forest, for a mining operation to be established there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And excavations were to begin immediately. And so this happens. The very next day, an immediate contract for a mining operation gets signed in Clinton by the Newark Watershed to establish some sort of focal point, I suppose, to mind stuff to mine resources. It's pretty early 1919. You know, we just got done with cowboys, and now we're trying to make America great or whatever we were trying to do back then.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And so we establish a mining contract. Random details that could be of some relevance. World War I ends on 1918, November 11th. So just a little World War I.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And just a couple of months before the acquisition of this. That's two months. I don't know if that's relevant, but the fact that the dates lined up last time, I'm just, like, looking at things together now.

Cristina: Since.

Jack: Let me go look over here. The point that exactly what it is I'm talking about. Oh, yeah. Because World War I, World War II began the day after the deal was made.

Cristina: Which deal?

Jack: The deal at the Newark Watershed conservation grounds.

Cristina: For the mine?

Jack: No, the last property. Last week's episode, the sketchy deal that was just so that they paid them off. That sketchy deal was made the day before World War II. Began. So because of that I'm just looking at wars and relevance. And like it is kind of weird too that a month and a half before they acquired this was also the end of the previous war. So the previous war just ends and they're like, we're gonna buy that thing. And then right before the next war starts, some weird sketchy. Yeah, government manipulation deal happens. So I don't know if that's relevant. That just seems weird.

Cristina: Yes, but does the mining thing have to do with anything?

Jack: I just know these contracts line up time wise, that's all. This was on February 6. The mining contract happened. The territory was acquired on February 5 and the World War I ended on November 11, the previous year. So it was just a couple of months. Weird timing for that.

Cristina: See, I don't know how they're related. I don't know.

Jack: Neither do I. Just sharing information if you don't got input, if anything is interesting. On March 19, 1920, excavations officially began. About a year later, a year and a month, little more than that, excavations finally began and the mines are established in Ringwood, Hibernia, Mount Pleasant, Ogdenburg and Hamburg, which are surrounding areas are just like all within the property lines too. These properties f****** huge. I was looking at that s*** from a sky view. It's ridiculous.

Cristina: I should see that. I want to see that.

Jack: I'll show you eventually. I don't have that ready for you.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But it's a huge problem.

Cristina: How much mining did you say? Five?

Jack: Yeah, I think just that was five different. They were all placed and those eventually became neighboring towns and towns formed there because. Yeah. And let's see, the Clinton Furnace then comes in and that is to be used to process the ore. Oh, so that's in the very center of everything.

Cristina: Oh, that's why that's important.

Jack: Yes, yes.

Cristina: So a giant mining opera, but it all seems normal.

Jack: It all seems normal. Yeah. I don't know. That's why I said like I'm just sharing information. I started looking at it. So, okay, these are just details. If you feel like having input on anything, feel free. But yeah, so far we just have that the Clinton Furnace is there for that purpose. I don't know how this connects to anything that has happened before, but nothing.

Cristina: Weird has happened in the mines. Are they still open?

Jack: No, that would be weird. That would. That in itself would be the strangest part. If these were just still functional and they didn't strip them of material.

Cristina: Why not? I don't know.

Jack: No, no, there's no mines there. There's no stories I've got for you. I'm giving you what I've got, man.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The Clinton furnace is the process. The ore and the mines would be interconnected with underground railways to send the ore directly to a nearby extraction mine. And that extraction mine would be swift transportation to the furnace.

Cristina: Okay, see, okay, this is very. Not like Clinton roadie. I don't know.

Jack: No, no, I'm telling you what you want. You've got questions in life. I'm providing answers. So this is. This is what you want.

Cristina: There's no stories to any of this. There's nothing.

Jack: I'm telling you what it was for. You had questions. I'm giving you answers.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Where your interest goes. I will, please. And yes, I'm just telling you about the furnace, man. Which all happened from this mining operation, which I don't know. You don't think it's weird, right? After a war?

Cristina: Yes, that's weird. But, like, there's nothing else about it.

Jack: Nah, it's just. It's just. It seems. This is what I mean. People have no clue how this was, how the furnace really plays a part in why it's so haunted related. That's weird in itself because when we look at the rest of everything, it's like, okay, I can kind of put together that this caused something or did something happened over there. What about this?

Cristina: What about the mines?

Jack: Well, we'll get to the mines. I'm telling you about the furnace, which is what you asked about.

Cristina: Okay, yeah. You said the furnace are connected to mines.

Jack: Well, yeah. You wanted them on the furnace. I'm telling you about the furnace, man. I'm telling you about the furnace man.

Cristina: Well, now I want to know about the mines.

Jack: Okay, so the mines. Yeah. What about. What do you want to know about the mines?

Cristina: What are the stories behind the mines?

Jack: There are no stories behind the mines. There's people coming in and out of the mines.

Cristina: Nothing has happened. No one sees anything there. No one explores them.

Jack: The mines are abandoned. The mines are dangerous, probably. People go in there all the time. People get arrested there, going and exploring and.

Cristina: Because it's a boy hanging around.

Jack: No boy hanging around mines.

Cristina: No, he's. Why is he around the furnace?

Jack: I don't know. That's what we're trying to figure out.

Cristina: But he's not around the mines.

Jack: He's not around the mines. He's around the furnace.

Cristina: Okay, Nothing's around the mines.

Jack: I don't know. We're trying to figure out the boy in the furnace. Are we gonna ignore the Boy in the furnace. I could go in that direction and go look at the mines instead. What do you want?

Cristina: I don't know. There's more with the boy in the furnace.

Jack: I don't. I. I would keep finding more if we need more. But I can go and look at something else if you want. Definitely can do that. I can look at the mines if you rather.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: All of the above is fine with me. The furnace is the only place that kid shows up in the bridge.

Cristina: Okay. How are they related?

Jack: I have no f****** clue. Then it might be the same boy, too.

Cristina: It doesn't make sense, does it? If it's the same boy, like, why.

Jack: So you think two different boys. All right, so let's. How. Let's think about it. Maybe. So we're assuming we know the girl doesn't get to the furnace. We don't see the girl by the furnace. Let's see the boy by the furnace. We do see the boy by the bridge. We see the girl by the bridge. So maybe the boy and the girl by the bridge are the same kids escaping the facility. Hypothetical facility. Escape. Patient people. The kids never dress in a Gallic girl.

Cristina: Was the boy.

Jack: The boy? Yeah.

Cristina: He's never in a gown.

Jack: He's never in a gown. If they were both in gowns, it'd be like, oh, yes, the boy is never in a gown.

Cristina: Or if they were hanging out in the same. Around the same place, but they don't. Because she has a castle. He has the furnace.

Jack: Other than the bridge, there's no connection between them. Interesting mystery. I've looked into it. I've looked into it. I've tried to find other connections between them, other places. People might have said they have been seen together. That kid is never anywhere else.

Cristina: But has anyone seen. When they see one, do they see them again somewhere else, though, or.

Jack: Like, no one person has seen the kid twice as far as we know.

Cristina: Like, whether it's the kid, the boy or the girl. Like, if they see them in one place, that's.

Jack: That's the only where they call and they report. I saw two women out in the woods. One was far back and the other one was over here.

Cristina: Yeah, like, nothing like that.

Jack: Nothing like that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which is weird. It's always one at a time. The children playing along the side of the road. People have reported seeing many of them.

Cristina: Yeah, but that's still in one moment. Like, it's not like they're going by it. And there's a bunch of different.

Jack: Yeah, exactly.

Cristina: That makes it feel more like haunting related. When it's like something like that. There's something, I don't know, ghosts like about just there. You just see them once and that's it. That's the story. Once you see them, that's it.

Jack: Okay. But some cases have reported multiple different of them. Like somebody who said the girl, then said the children.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I drove by a girl and then I saw a bunch of kids by the side of the road at different spots then. Different spots. Same person. That has happened.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Passing by the same female and being like, I saw another girl. There were two girls out there. That has not happened. But multiple different reports. Yes.

Cristina: Has anyone seen a man around there besides the druid? Druid.

Jack: Druids.

Cristina: Druids. There's no men.

Jack: Not any relevant ones. We can go look at the, like big mentions and see what's going on with that, but I don't think so. We had the boy on the branch. All the many different girls.

Cristina: There's so many girls.

Jack: The crying children. The kids by the side of the road. Disembodied voices. Headless horseman would be the only man. We gotta look at that guy. That would be the only. Okay, Other possibility. Right.

Cristina: I have no idea what we can possibly learn from a headless dude. It's gotta be some kind. That has to be a creature, right?

Jack: I guess maybe the Headless Horseman has very shadow person vibes to it. But yeah, I don't know. There's something so confusing about like, it feels. It really does feel like maybe we figured out some of the aspects about the lady and Wyatt and about the boy to some degree. Like, I do believe it's. At least one of the females is consistent. If there are multiple. There is one consistent female that seems to have been horrified at the beginning, sort of kind of mellowed out, eventually started running experiments. And she's just wandering around there doing something.

Cristina: And the boys never frightened. He's just hanging out.

Jack: He's never frightened. That's another weird thing. And the boy has always been a boy.

Cristina: That is weird. That makes you like an echo.

Jack: Why do you default to that instead of it being many children, many different.

Cristina: Children just doing over time. Why?

Jack: I don't know. I don't think. Look at it like this. Look at it like this. The lake is a really, really interesting example. And this might actually point to us why we see her running experiments by the lake.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: The lake is where the pockets are. Specifically at the vantage point where you could just look straight through a Bubble and see into the past. Right. Assume many, many, many of these exist. Then we have a different scenario, don't we?

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Well, with the boy. What if we're just seeing there's. There's a bubble that's been present, many different bubbles surrounding the bridge. And so through time, it's just the only spot that we get a clear shot of and the only people going there. Maybe it's on the property of whatever Other Realm facility the experiments are being run at. Maybe it's just part of the property, and that's just where sometimes some of the patients go. They get dressed and they go there, or maybe they live there. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But maybe we're looking at a spot that we can actually look at. A different time.

Cristina: Yeah. Just on the bridge.

Jack: Yes. Or at a different realm, and it just happens to be on the bridge where we're looking. And whatever home or facility or whatever's nearby has a uniform.

Cristina: Do you think everything that everyone's looking at is something like that, then?

Jack: Like maybe the whole forest is drowning in these thin places.

Cristina: When we see the boy next to the furnace and the girl and over there and the lady over there and.

Jack: Whatever, none of them are there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The problem. The problem is with a. I think some of the situations that we see. Yes. Some of the situations that we see now because of. If you think of driving past somebody, you're. You're seeing them for a while, and you see them, they see you, they come to your car asking for help, and when you get close enough, then they're gone.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That feels. Not like a thin place. That feels like the veil between the shadow and this side being very thin now. I think both of those things might be happening at the same time. I think we have a huge, monumentous distortion in space time in which we have both thin places of all types.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Time slips can happen to some, so they're looking back. Some are just slipping into different realms so you can see straight to them.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But also we have this weird sort of thinning of the veil so that even without going through one of the time slips into the shadow realm or into a different time, the veil between. Like the threshold between the shadow realm and Earth is thinnest.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we see things from over there, too, and maybe we get a clearer view around the thin places.

Cristina: Interesting. I think so. I think so, because that will explain that area. Why is it so bad? It has to be something like that.

Jack: Something has explained it. And again, the. The lake is a good example of it because lake is drowning for whatever reason. It's surrounded by thin places.

Cristina: But do we see I guess the KKK or the joys or druids whatever around the lake?

Jack: No. The druids are reported to be at the Cross Castle and have been seen wandering alongside the road.

Cristina: But never the lake? No, never anything else.

Jack: Although the black vehicles have been seen in both the castle and the lake.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay. Because I don't know if they're related or not, but if this is a hot spot for something, someone's got to be investigating it. I guess. I don't know when they were investigating it because it could be any time.

Jack: Yeah, we don't know what's going on. Yeah, but that's weird for sure.

Cristina: So they've been at the lake? Yeah, Somebody.

Jack: Somebody's been to the lake. The lady has been to the lake herself many times too. Yes, she's seen too often there. But only the woman. Woman is seen at the lake messing around with it. The girls don't make it that far. The girls seem to always be closer towards the church. Interesting. I didn't think about that before. There's a church, not the church of Castle.

Cristina: Oh, is there a church though?

Jack: Geographically, I didn't think about that range wise. As the bubble gets farther, you get more mentions of the women, less mentions of the girl. Although the mention of the woman exists throughout the entirety of it. That only applies in time wise, where over time you hear of the woman more, but the girls are consistent. You kind of hear them little less over time, but it's always in proximity. All the areas you report to girls are closer to the castle. And the only places the woman has ever been mentioned that the girls have never been mentioned is farther from the castle. Interesting.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: No idea. Random detail. Random detail I didn't think about before. Further from the castle older. Closer to the castle younger. Weird.

Cristina: That is very weird.

Jack: That supports the patient idea. There's something stopping them from getting far from the facility. The doctor can get far though.

Cristina: I don't know. He's like, if it is the same person, then are they. When they walk, are they aging?

Jack: No, it's not the same person. That would be crazy.

Cristina: How would you know?

Jack: Yeah, I have no idea. There's no way to actually know. You are absolutely right. One thing about these minds that's interesting though, it is the fact that they would be interconnected. This means that current day there are tunnels from neighboring towns around Clinton Road. Straight to a location in Clinton Road. That is the extraction line. Straight tunnels from one end to the other.

Cristina: And these tunnel. I mean, these mines. Nothing has happened in them though.

Jack: Nope.

Cristina: No Silent Hill scenario.

Jack: Nope.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There was an interesting note about the mining contract that is worth, you know, observing. In the original document of the mining contract, it was stated that the specifics of the location of the extraction mine would be kept secret and under higher government clearance and would not be public knowledge to prevent theft.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, it's mining operations. So for security purposes, it would only be to higher government authority.

Cristina: That's weird.

Jack: Why that the extraction point would be.

Cristina: That's not weird.

Jack: So knowing where the exit point is is unknown, but knowing where the entry point is is. Okay. And.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: And the entry point is in different towns that established over time because they were locations where you were mining. And people, you know, they, hey, I'm going to work here every day. I'm going to make my house here. And so towns formed around these mining operations that are now towns in New Jersey.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Surrounding Clinton Road.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: All of which are connected by one secret mine that they probably forgot existed and got buried within the town. A way in and out that can make you disappear and show up somewhere in the forest. There's a clean path in five different towns straight to the forest where you could just disappear.

Cristina: Well, it's still strange. Why would they keep that location? Because, like, if you. Like what. What is. What's to keep a secret?

Jack: The ore. What is in the.

Cristina: What's the. Because they can't they just go to the. Where the other mines are to find the ore that they got.

Jack: Like, those would be protected entry points. Like, you wouldn't be able. Like you'd have to travel quite the distance. You'd need the equipment. You wouldn't be able to steal it properly. I'll explain why some of these details get even farther as we go by. In 1925, Newark Watershed established Cross Castle as a future unprocessed ore storage facility.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because there's a lot of ore. Can't.

Cristina: They just make a new building? Why would they do that to the Castle?

Jack: They're not going to destroy the Castle. The Castle is fresh too. I know. The guy died a couple of years ago. We just acquired it. It's clean and it's not used. Budget to connect the underground railways from the extraction mine to Cross Castle is immediately granted by the city of Norik. So now let's paint a more clear picture. We have tunnels going from five major north Jersey towns into a random location inside of Clinton Road.

Cristina: But this whole time are people not like saying, hey, there's people hanging out at the castle?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Hasn't happened yet. Oh, okay, that's 1945 or something. No, that's 1960 something. 1960s.

Cristina: Okay, 1960s. We are at 1920s. Okay. Yeah, okay.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes. 1925 is this. And what you are talking about, which would be the original mentions of the ladies. Let me see the first reports. No, no, no. 19, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, first reports of satanic ritual, 1952.

Cristina: Okay, that's still not that far off, is it?

Jack: 1952 from 1925.

Cristina: Okay, that's 25 years apart.

Jack: 25 years apart, but yeah. So the Cross Castle is established as a location. It's going to be the new housing location for the surplus that would then be taken to the furnace.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that then immediately commences the connection of the railway. So the full image is now five railways connecting to a random unknown location in Clinton Road. And then that already random location in Clinton Road is accessible by both the castle and it itself can access the castle. So the people from the castle can access every single city, every single town that would develop in the future. Just inherently, that's the current situation. As it stands right now, there is a castle or the ruins thereof, with a tunnel that connects straight to some random location in the woods. And from that random location in the woods, that is classified information. Go straight to five different towns that anything could be done at any point.

Cristina: That's crazy. And they actually finish all of that? Like they were establishing it, but they actually completed the job.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And then when did they decide to abandon all this?

Jack: What do you mean decide to abandon it? When the ore was done.

Cristina: Oh, when was that? What year there was?

Jack: There isn't a year specifically. The mines would be operational and unoperation at random time slowly fluctuating, fizzling out somewhere into the 1950s.

Cristina: Okay, yeah. So it stopped around the 1950s.

Jack: Not really. It was again fizzling out around that point. It's what you're talking about is mining operations. So what happens here is there is a certain amount of minerals underground and they're just going to keep excavating slow. Occasionally this one goes down and because they find nothing for a while or they come up with a new way to drill and they get farther in. So the Mayans consistently were shut, reopen and shut and reopen, but they eventually.

Cristina: Abandoned all the mines.

Jack: So your question is, when was the last one abandoned? I guess, yes, the last one abandoned was in 1951.

Cristina: 1951.

Jack: See the last use of it and it wasn't even for process for collection. It was for remaining processing.

Cristina: Okay, that's not strange.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: But the castle had long not been used anymore. Why would that be strange?

Cristina: Well, because that's around the time that people start using the castle because it got abandoned. When was the castle abandoned?

Jack: The castle was abandoned around 1945.

Cristina: Oh, okay. That's so crazy that they would just abandon something like that. Because it connects to everything. I mean not a bad like. Yeah, like they should have still have it secured or something.

Jack: There's nothing left. When you process all the stuff, what are you securing?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: There's nothing left.

Cristina: Finished I guess. Except you can just go into any town.

Jack: Yeah, you can already walk into any town.

Cristina: Just drive in or go into that mysterious location. What's in that mysterious location? Where is it?

Jack: The extraction? It's another mine.

Cristina: Very strange that that's just a secret. Except it's not a secret because if you can go into the castle, you can probably walk to that place.

Jack: Interesting point. Nobody can actually pin exactly where in the castle. The railway. The connector is.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Oh, wow.

Jack: This is documented that there is one.

Cristina: Okay. But there's no actual.

Jack: You can't find one. Unknown where it is. That's the least weird part.

Cristina: What?

Jack: In 1926, a private third party contractor is brought on to begin construction on underground facilities expanding on the castle already existing chambers. These expansions would include the connecting sections of the underground railways. Several sections for storage, akin to underground warehouses, sleeping quarters, bathrooms, kitchens for the workers, and large empty areas for any unforeseen uses that could arise.

Cristina: Like what? What do you think is going on?

Jack: No idea.

Cristina: You think that's weird?

Jack: No. Because towns formed around the other ends of the railways. Because that's what you do when you work and.

Cristina: But then you put a bunch of.

Jack: Things underground because that's where you're working. All of these are where people are working?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: These are the people who are also processing this underground and protecting it at the same time.

Cristina: Quickly abandon it. Like that's a lot of things to build just to like. Okay, goodbye. I don't know.

Jack: Quickly, quickly.

Cristina: Like that's money. That's people's money. That's not their money.

Jack: The ore must have been fire. It must have been so amazing when it didn't last. They just got what they needed.

Cristina: But right before they got what they needed, they built all this stuff so.

Jack: They can get what they needed.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: All of it was so they could.

Cristina: Get what they needed really, really fast. Like they had to sleep there. Yeah, I don't know.

Jack: Work, man. This is how the industrial revolution happened. People basically lived and worked all cohesively. It was one giant thing. All the towns formed. This is literally, literally how it happened. The railroad happened first. Then the railroad allowed access to crazy far locations and the settlements would happen around the railroad.

Cristina: It makes sense for underground settlements.

Jack: Well, this is the same idea because the railroad is the closest thing that exists. All the jobs must be connected to the railroad. The first set of jobs have to be with delivering materials and things like that. Right. So the people who set up camp, those are also the people who are going to build the houses, and those are the people who are going to build the politics or whatever. But that's forming around the ease of access to the job location, which is the train. Those are your customers and that's your material. The same is happening at the other end of the railways where you have the mines, where the people are completely building their towns around these mining operations. And so the entire mining operation goes farther underground, progressively going to the extraction point and then farther down underground into this warehouse that's supposed to be fortified, as this next part will say. All expansions are to put safety and security first. As a result, all warehouse expansions must work like a safe and be capable of being sealed from the inside. The entire living quarters and worker personal facilities need to be deep enough to double as bomb shelters. And they need to consider the possibility of earthquakes.

Cristina: They were digging up alien technology. I don't know this. It's weird. I don't think this is. I don't know. It's so weird. You mentioned if it's about world wars and they gotta beware of bombs and like locking themselves in alien technology.

Jack: Alien technology?

Cristina: To help with the war.

Jack: To help with the war. That's where we're going?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it's here in Clinton Road that they think it's hiding?

Cristina: Yes. And that's why they. They tested it out there. And then all this weird time stuff happens. So then, okay, yeah, it happened.

Jack: So this is some sort of World War II? I mean. Yeah, man. Weird things only got reported happening here. Really. Starting around 1950s when they were done. When the war had finished.

Cristina: Yes. But they were done with the mines as well. Come on. I don't know or no.

Jack: The war began. What year did the war end? 1960, some.

Cristina: Oh, 68.

Jack: I don't even Know, but I don't know. It's weird, man.

Cristina: It is weird.

Jack: You think they're working on alien technology?

Cristina: Well, I. I say alien, I don't mean like aliens from outer space, just.

Jack: Something that is foreign to us.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: Technology. That is foreign.

Cristina: Maybe they sound. They found some fairy trees underground, like that type of craziness. I don't know.

Jack: But it is weird, isn't it?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We've got an underground essentially fallout shelter for worker. For mining workers. Allegedly underneath Cross Castle. That has. It feels so Resident Evil.

Cristina: Yes, but like they were working on war stuff too. So like it very feels like they were making things that were deadly.

Jack: What do you mean they're working on war stuff?

Cristina: It probably. They might have been working on war technology besides just mining the stuff. They were probably doing the thing there, putting it together there and then sending it out.

Jack: Yeah, but like. Okay, fair enough.

Cristina: But like a secret, secret military base.

Jack: Yeah. We would have to find something to like hint in that direction at least.

Cristina: Oh, I guess. Yeah.

Jack: Because that's just completely speculative. With nothing feeding into that direction.

Cristina: No, it just seems like it's a little crazy. Just.

Jack: It's strange. It's definitely weird to need this super ultra fortified facility underneath Cross Castle.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then to just abandon it and it to happen again. The weird part is it's Cross Castle and it happens in between two wars and there are weird sketchy individuals coming in and out of the place.

Cristina: Yes. Black cars and foreign.

Jack: But then how does this relate to the lady and how does this relate to the kid?

Cristina: No idea. That's just from the weird aftermath. It's just part of the aftermath of whatever they were experimenting on. Just like in the skinwalker farm where they would. It's obviously something was experimented there. And now a bunch of weird things happen consistently.

Jack: The two holes, the square one and the spherical one, just moving around the property and they're like huge. Huge. Like five houses large each.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Actually no, the round one is colossal. It's colossal and it just travels.

Cristina: Yeah. That is very super. Like if there was a hole in Clinton Row, like we. How would anyone know? I mean, in the forest around, it.

Jack: Would be impossible to see. You'd need to be looking from space at the right time.

Cristina: Yes. And the trees are blocking it. So like.

Jack: No, the whole. If it was the size. Okay, fair enough. If it's the size of like a house, like the small square one that was like only like five houses big, that'll disappear if it's the size of the freaking circle.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No, like, you'd see it. You'd see it.

Cristina: Yeah, but like, if it was something in there that was like that square, how would it. There would be no stories about it.

Jack: I mean, there are. There is the fact that the paths change consistently, which is a very, very, very shadow realm characteristic. The shifting and winding of paths. That should just be straightforward.

Cristina: Yes. Come on. Come on. They're doing something.

Jack: But that's very shadow realm. What could you have been working on that thinned the veil so hard? What could you have been working on that created thin places everywhere? We're talking crazy tech, I don't know, that's overpowered. We're talking technology the likes of like the Elysians or something. Come on. Just ripping. In fact, technology they don't have.

Cristina: I don't know. But like in the skinwalker, what was it? Time travel? No, not time travel. It helped them to go farther in space pretty much to survive space. Like maybe that's the start of that. I don't know. Because it happened first. Where did it happen first? What got weird first? Let's gonna walk around for this.

Jack: This got weird first.

Cristina: It's got weird first.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: This is weird in general. Everything is odd in general. I mean, Skinwalker Ranch is. Is a really weird example of a thing that happened, you know.

Cristina: But we know that people were there experimenting on stuff. Like, they didn't keep that a secret while here there's just a mysterious group of foreigners who didn't know that they were doing something illegal. That's the story. That's a crazy story.

Jack: No, Skinwalker Ranch is weird. I'm looking at these lamps right now.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't know, man. In the f****** weird a*******. It's crazy too. I don't know. I don't know. So weird to have these kind of. The shifting paths, the moving halls. Very strange. That's so odd. And who the are the people coming in and out of these woods, man? Which ones the black car people? This is the only people coming in now. Nobody else is coming in and out?

Cristina: No, today.

Jack: Oh, this then.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Who are these people in the unmarked black vehicles coming in and out of this? This. Who is the third party? Is that the third party that could.

Cristina: Be the third party.

Jack: And it's party construction group, the same third party?

Cristina: Possibly.

Jack: And is that third party construction group the same third party that's on the sketch deal? The sketchy deal. And that be the same people who had the odd doc that went straight to Epstein's Island?

Cristina: That's Very unrelated.

Jack: Those are all just really shady. Equally. Yeah, equally shady. Loosely related things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But yeah, it could totally be just another shady organization.

Cristina: I don't know. But it is. That one is so weird because there is no information really on that.

Jack: You had to, like, dig way deep for anything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In fact, I had to find the listing of people who just. Their job is to log that. The thing came through. That's it. The stop truck. People that are in a booth, like, okay, this guy came through here. That's the only way we found names at all.

Cristina: But they didn't retract those names or anything like they did with this.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Which is, like, why didn't seem anything.

Jack: Sketchy was happening that was. It was sketchy by every means, but not worth looking at because there was no legal precedent for it.

Cristina: Intelligently done, I guess. Very strange. All of it's very strange.

Jack: All of it is so sketchy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The sketchiest. But yeah. So I don't know. I don't know what to tell you, man. This is kind of weird. And it's so. It doesn't help solve anything. It really just confuses more. It didn't give us more questions. Okay. About the castle. There have been reports of people in that time, seen ridiculous amount of construction materials being taken there. Many people didn't know what was happening. There were different reports. Not reports. There were inquiries consistently to the governor, the mayor, that there was too much footwork coming through and it was disturbing the peace for people, and they were trying to live our lives. And you got trucks and whatever coming through in and out of all secret bases, going into this, into the road or whatever. Is there anything that could be be done? Usually times from the workers. The workers are the one like, dude, we're out here working, and you guys got weird construction or some happening somewhere in here.

Cristina: The workers.

Jack: The workers complaining that, like, bro. But yeah, many times people like, what? What? What's being constructed?

Cristina: And they weren't saying.

Jack: I mean, yeah, they'd give answers and stuff, but yeah, it was. It was documented that there was a huge sudden construction effort. That's what the point of the me.

Cristina: Saying that that's weird. They just make it and then they just go. That's it. Like, they don't spend, like, much time there. They use it for a short time.

Jack: What. How long? How long it will satisfy you?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: But, like, how long should they use it for you to be happy?

Cristina: If it's. I don't know. I don't know. A long Time.

Jack: Define a long. 25 years. Not good enough.

Cristina: 25 years, was it 25 years, the underground base thing? Not the 1925 is when they made the things for them to sleep in.

Jack: Yeah, it's 1925.

Cristina: Okay. I don't know.

Jack: Feels like it was. Well because then like.

Cristina: No, it was so secure. Like why not just have houses outside the building? Like I don't get why didn't work.

Jack: Why didn't a town happen around Cross Castle? Yeah, that's the question, right? Why didn't a town happen around Cross Castle? Or the extraction mine?

Cristina: This. The extraction mine was top secret.

Jack: Okay, whatever. Why didn't a well, you don't happen around Cross Castle. If it's now owned the norg watershed.

Cristina: Like why would putting the place underground make more sense than doing something simple.

Jack: Above ground to protect the ore? You cannot.

Cristina: It's already locked. Why do you have to protect the people protecting the ore like that? Like from earthquakes and everything. Like, come on.

Jack: Oh, because they're working underground. It's the same reason you reinforce mining tunnels. This would avoid the need for reinforcing.

Cristina: Mining tunnels if they sleep on the ground. I don't know. That's too much.

Jack: Oh, random detail about the fact that it had to be built for earthquake prevention. Every expansion must be reinforced. Every wall, ceiling and floor by steel layers.

Cristina: That's. How often are earthquakes happening?

Jack: Don't know.

Cristina: That is not an earthquake hot spot.

Jack: Also, steel layers is crazy.

Cristina: What? Come on.

Jack: Steel layers.

Cristina: Steel layers. Come on. There's something so not right.

Jack: Word.

Cristina: They did not need to do that.

Jack: In 1941, the first Jewish committed facility is established Kelmo in N*** Germany. December 8th.

Cristina: Wait, before I go where we're going. Yeah, I still have a question.

Jack: Yeah, go for it. Go for it.

Cristina: It's just. I lost it. But no, I have it somewhere about what they're doing.

Jack: Steel layers.

Cristina: How expensive is this project versus how much they're making off this project?

Jack: Like why does it matter?

Cristina: Does it even make sense? Does it make sense? Do you think it makes sense?

Jack: I'm just giving you the info, man. I don't know.

Cristina: Steel layers.

Jack: That doesn't make sense. No, for sure not. How where the even acquiring the steel from the mines?

Cristina: No, I don't know.

Jack: Steel mines. I have no idea what kind of mines here. What are the mines? It's or it's like gold and iron.

Cristina: More than that. For all this protection. This is insane.

Jack: Do you realize we literally today, today still have giant building sized vaults protecting gold? And then we strap it with army men surrounding it. And that safe itself is inside of a bigger building, usually.

Cristina: Is that safe on the ground and are people sleeping in it?

Jack: No, but also we have the technology now for that to not be necessary.

Cristina: Was that necessary before?

Jack: How are you gonna protect it from a s*** ton of people who know you have gold there?

Cristina: There are people sleeping.

Jack: There are people sleeping in there.

Cristina: Were they also protected by earthquake? What is protection for? Earthquake? Come on.

Jack: The people will be protected from earthquakes. The people will be protected because it's a bomb shelter. If somebody were to try to destroy the facility with bombs to steal the gold, you'd be fine.

Cristina: But the ores are those. Were they. Was it gold?

Jack: Iron.

Cristina: Do you need that much protection for iron? Is it that valuable?

Jack: Okay. Got all the useless information you needed? So the process, the price of gold to iron in 1925, one pound of iron was 1.2 pennies and one pound of gold was $20.

Cristina: Mm. So is iron worth protecting like that?

Jack: Protecting like gold?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No.

Cristina: No. Okay, so is that not weird? I don't.

Jack: I don't know. Would you protect your city construction materials? Would you protect what you plan to build civilization with or not?

Cristina: But the way they were protecting it.

Jack: Okay. Would you flimsily protect what you're trying to build civ with? Just put it out there. Easy for people to get. When you guys are workers, you guys are going to be underground, working. You're going to store your materials overground. You're going to go work underground, but your materials are going to be stored overground.

Cristina: That's what you're mining history. Right. No one really cared. They knew it was dangerous and no one put this much protection on anything. So I don't know what you talk about.

Jack: Okay. So yes, it would have been very easy to. In the scenario where they are working underground, it would have been very easy to steal this. Anybody who know you don't have to know where the extraction point is because you know where the castle is. And they're storing it on top of the castle. Not where they're working where they can see it. It's in the surface, just on top. So they store it there. We wouldn't have those same towns formed around that area. We couldn't. Because people could have easily continued to casually steal the materials because the work was happening underground. There's no reason, unless they hire more people just to go and work that. But if you do that, why not just build using the materials you've already got?

Cristina: Building with. What was the material?

Jack: Again, you need iron mix too.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You could put it over ground, but your workers are underground. So who's you? You need more workers now.

Cristina: But they are storing above ground. They're storing it underground.

Jack: They're storing it underground.

Cristina: Okay, okay. Because I was picturing that they were restoring it above ground, but then sleeping underground for some reason.

Jack: I'll read it to you again.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: A private third party contractor is brought on to begin construction on underground facilities, expanding on the castle's already existing chambers. These expansions include the connecting sections of the underground railroad. Several sections for storage, akin to underground warehouses, sleeping quarters, bathrooms and kitchens for workers. And large empty areas for unforeseen uses that could arise. The warehouses is where they're putting the ore.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's underground. That's not overground. They could put the ore overground, but the workers are underground.

Cristina: But they had some storage overground as well though.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: No storage overgrown. All of it was run underground to be more efficient. Because then you have to consider raising all the iron you've gotten. If it's just underground and the tunnels underground, you push it that way. You don't have to lift it. Lifting it requires way more energy.

Cristina: Wait, but was it all going there and then once it was there, then where did it go?

Jack: Well, the extraction point is in. The extraction point is where you get it out. That's where it comes out of the facilities created where the castle is.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Are just level and already underground. So they were expanded to house all these things so they wouldn't have to be brought overground.

Cristina: Okay. So that's not. Nothing's happening there besides the storing of extra stuff.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. I just have what I'm giving you. But we don't know what could have been happening there because there's also random empty rooms. For what? For unforeseen purposes. Just repurpose some you've got.

Cristina: That is very strange. I don't know, it's weird. Whatever.

Jack: Yep. But this is all just looking at the furnace.

Cristina: Okay. Now where were you gonna go?

Jack: Oh, okay. I was gonna mention that in 1941 was the first Jewish committed facility that was established, which is Kelmo. And that was in N*** Germany in December of 8, 1941. Just random information. And Cross Castle, which is demolished in 1988 as we know, because it became dangerous or whatever. Which. Think about the following. There's underground foot. Basically you destroyed the top of the castle, destroying any way to go inside. It's just ruins. And now there's Some underground facility that exists, totally fortified, that could have totally withstood the demolition of the castle on top.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Not having gotten a scratch. And has connecting tunnels outward. So the only way in here is through a secret other location in Clinton Road.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or do five other secret locations in five other towns.

Cristina: Well, we know. Are the five other towns also connected to the castle or just to the.

Jack: To the extraction point. And the extraction point is the castle. So they're all technically connected. If they're all underground together.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There must be one location where five where six paths meet and one of them goes to the castle.

Cristina: Yeah. But I'm wondering if like those locate those locations are closed off the way the secure. The rooms are closed off where you said like you can lock yourself in.

Jack: Interesting. So your question is, is it only accessible also from the inside? So only the extraction mine is in and out.

Cristina: Oh, see?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So one way in? Well, one. Not even one way. It's just locked from the inside everywhere else. You probably wouldn't even tell that there is a tunnel there. There's just. Hey, a door that nobody's ever opened right here. And it goes down to this railway. Maybe not even a railway. You could have done anything and God knows how much time and turned it into a fancy easier facility that they ride golf carts and who the h*** knows, you know? And it goes straight into the bottom of where the castle used to be. And who knows how large the facility down there was.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: Ah. There's no stories about anyone who worked there talking about what it was like working there.

Jack: I would have definitely told you that by now.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Would have. What a weird thing to leave out. Like. Oh, I have no idea. Also this random other story about a guy who totally worked there. Like, come on. 1990, the Newark Water Treatment facilities come online.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: There are five reserves reservoirs that are up there by Clinton. They're all surrounding Clinton Road. And they are Charlottesburg, Oak Ridge, Conisteer, Clinton and Echo Lake. All of these giant bodies of water surrounding Clinton Road provide water to a huge portion of North Jersey. They all come from that.

Cristina: That area. Lakes are always weird. There's no mountains, but there's lakes.

Jack: There's lakes. And that was established two years after the demolition of Cross Castle.

Cristina: Are they somehow related? I don't know. What's underneath the castle? How do we get there?

Jack: We can't.

Cristina: I know. I just wish.

Jack: But yep, five reservoirs. And they are all within the property lines. And they all deliver water to the people of Jersey. They are it's owned by norc, the property that the water treatment is placed on and the NORC simultaneously owns because they own the property, they own the old mining facilities and they own all this and kind of have access to the. Essentially have total access to the water of the people.

Cristina: Okay, but that water. Okay, Those facilities, though, are not abandoned.

Jack: Those facilities are not abandoned.

Cristina: Okay, but.

Jack: Yeah, that's what I got.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's all the information I got about the furnace and its use and how it's related to anything interesting. Yep. Yep. Anywho, if anybody has any input of any sort, anything anybody would like to say about any of this, you guys can contact us on our socials, on X, on Tick Tock, on Facebook, on Instagram, at just Convopod.

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August 03, 2024

Rambling 284: Sketchy Deal

August 03, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Who is the Boy boy by the Bridge? What is the Clinton Furnace? And who owns the area? The duo continue deep diving into the records of Clinton Road and its surrounding forest in an attempt to discover the origin of the Spacetime Distortions in the area. What’s uncovered is both shocking and exceptionally strange and mysterious. What does it mean? Anyone’s guess. Join us and find out what our duo uncover!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Boy by the Bridge
The Lady in White
Clinton Furnace
Newark Watershed Organization
Mysterious Contracts

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcription

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And so let's do a quick recap for anybody who is new and anybody who needs the recap that might have missed a couple of episodes. We totally got off the Elysians because we loot. You're using all of their awesome knowledge to find weird things current day instead of keep digging infinitely into the past. And boy, have we found some s***. So for anybody not aware using current day, I mean, using the knowledge we acquired from the past, we've looked at a couple of different things, including some ancient structures like Stonehenge. And we looked at the comparison. Yes. We looked at mysterious places. We looked at Skywalker Ranch. We looked at basically a bunch of things just using the acquired information. And in doing so we came across a couple of patterns. And then we applied these patterns to things we're personally familiar with because we can go investigate these things. And so in doing so, we've been going through Clinton Road making sense of the weirdness that happened 15 years ago. And we've actually come to some interesting informational conclusions using the cross reference information we have. Great. Fantastic. A couple of those details included an episode per episode take on all the different sections of things that are just echoes, things that are some phantoms of some sort, and actual total significant things. And within those groups we've come across other things to look at. Primarily the. The big focus that we had was to see what is out there that we can ground.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we went on the path of the. The lady.

Cristina: Yeah. Whether she's a shadow person or whatever. Yes, whatever she is.

Jack: And so we investigated that and there's a lot about her. It turns out as we deducted that there might be one person, might be one person. And there seems to be a literal timeline happening, a point in which they start to show up and a bunch of events that follow it. It looks like a girl shows up and then she's in panic for years. And slowly as time goes by, she's more adjusted to her scenario. Kind of like somebody got lost in the shadow realm and had to acclimate, but was scared at the beginning when we were seeing her. Scared. And then over time very adapted and over time trying to investigate the scenario, no longer scared of it. And eventually looks like a scientist almost Investigating and running tests out there. Almost ignoring the people that she sees. And that's weird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Specifically, something about the lake. She's taking samples and doing something to the lake. The lake is something important, although we can't tell what.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And we can't tell whether she was living in the castle or if that was a base of operations of some sort. Because a lot of times I just saw her hanging out, like, living there.

Cristina: I don't think she's living there because there's so much happening there that there's no way you can live there when.

Jack: There'S so much unless there's nothing happening. And all the people we see live there.

Cristina: That's a lot of people. Could be.

Jack: Could definitely be. So that's where we were. And one of the thing. One of the notes we came across was a couple of notes, actually, public records, mentioning this girl along with the boy. Those two separate occasions when she was seen with the boy. Once at the bridge and another one, another spot. And so I went ahead and I looked at the boy in particular, because we got the lady. And the lady is connected to another human. Who's the young boy on top of that. The lady began as a girl. Looked like a young girl in 1950, 1965. But the word girl became a lady, and the word lady became a woman as time went by. Giving us a visual that people are describing what they seem to be like.

Cristina: Aging person.

Jack: An aging person. The term seems accurate to them when they're describing it. Began with girl, cross through lady, and ended up a woman. That's an aging person. And by the understandings we have, people who age must be from this side. At least that's what it seems like to us.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess. Because we don't know what's happening.

Jack: Yes. We have no clue. So let us begin by showing you some images. And I want you to just tell the listeners what it is you're looking at. That's all that matters.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: They're going to see the images and post, like, the episode thumbnail and stuff like that. But it is very important that you look at this and tell me what it is you see.

Cristina: Are you somehow related to each other?

Jack: The same place?

Cristina: Okay, the first one. Because the first one, I can't really tell what it is.

Jack: Ruins.

Cristina: It's ruins. Yeah. The second one is a doorway into the ruins. Unless this is the tower or castle, whatever. No, but it doesn't look like a castle. And the third one, it looks like just a building in the forest.

Jack: Yeah. These are different angles at the same place.

Cristina: The third one doesn't look real, though.

Jack: No, the third one isn't real.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Is that like, what people think?

Jack: No, that's what it looks like. That's what it used to look like.

Cristina: What? Yeah, like what it used to look like, but like what people think it used to look like.

Jack: No, that's what it looks like. That's what it used to look like. Exactly what it used to look like. It just so happens to be a perfect rendition instead of a sort of rustic looking one. The idea was to get a perfect visual of what it looks like.

Jack: Which.

Cristina: It looks like a house, I guess. I don't know. It looks strange. It doesn't look like a house either. It looks like a building, but it doesn't look like anything.

Jack: Okay, saying it doesn't look like this, it doesn't look like that. Not helpful. Describe what you're looking at. You describe the doorway. That's.

Cristina: There's a doorway. There's a fireplace. I think there's something in the bottom. I don't know what that is. That's round, going down. Like a pipe. Yes, There you go. Pipe. There's a pipe.

Jack: A pipe. Doing what? Saying there's a pipe means nothing. There's a pipe going from the base wall down to a different. Down to. It turns down into another level. That's a description right there. It's turning from a second story down into a first story. The chimney you're describing is connected to the building, but towards the largest fragment of it. There are three different fragments to the tower, as far as we can tell. And we can confirm that based on the structure that we're looking at, where we can't see the other parts of it. It does have a triangular form. So there must be a more steady form behind it, which in other images you'll notice not. And I don't have the image here, but the. In the bottom image, you're looking at where the smaller piece that's actually behind the two images we're looking at.

Cristina: So there's two ways in.

Jack: There's not. I mean, yeah, sure, there's two ways in, but what you're looking at is. Yeah, yeah. So you're looking at the back of it and then the bottom one, we're looking at the front of it. That's technically the actual front.

Cristina: The bottom image, the bottom one is so dark, I can't tell if there's windows. Is there windows?

Jack: There are windows, yes.

Cristina: Okay. Because I know it look really strange if it's just two ways in and then windows. But okay, so there's windows. It looks like it's made out of some kind of brick.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And I'm not sure what it's supposed to. Like maybe it's a home.

Jack: It's not a home. Doesn't matter what you think it is. Just describe what you see.

Cristina: Yeah, that's all I see. A building, a forest.

Jack: All right, I'll keep adding some details. Yes. It's made out of a red and brown brick style. The main attraction here is the centerpiece that seems to be the focal point of almost every image. And the rest of the structures kind of fade away to the background. The tower has been knocked down over time. That's the most collapsed part. You can actually see it on the other side here. The building is towards the front and you can see the tower towards the back there. And the original building was well known for what you see here, the green. It was covered in moss everywhere. That doesn't get seen in the newer versions because the forest around it has been sort of killed by its own ruins.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah. Preventing the. It sort of covered the ability for dirt to grow grass and s***. So it's ruins are stopping the growth. And so the moss has vanished. And so everything is kind of disappeared. But ultimately it was very covered. Now what you're looking at is called the furnace.

Cristina: Furnace.

Jack: Yes. What you're looking at is called the furnace. And the furnace. That's why it has a chimney. That's where you would let the smoke out. The background pipe is to run different materials. And it's in facility. I cannot tell you what the f*** this was used for originally. There are so many stories, it's not even worth getting into. I'm not talking about what it was used for. Too many things. It's a furnace. Think of uses for it. People were using it for that. Whatever you can think of using cremation. Somebody cremated somebody there. You need to get rid of material that's toxic. Somebody did that in there. It's a furnace. It was used for whatever they say.

Cristina: It was used for. Whatever.

Jack: Yes. I'm telling you what? I'm telling you what. All the information I've acquired. Oh, I'm not adding any sauce to anything.

Cristina: Anything. Okay.

Jack: That was a furnace and was used for many things. I'm not sure which one of them were actually used for. These are just different things it could have been used for. So we're not even gonna bother talking about that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because I know you will. We're not Gonna break into what it was used for because it doesn't matter to the ultimate bigger picture of what we're gonna talk about.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The point of this furnace is that in looking for the kid, I found this. This is one of the places the kid was found. Really? Yeah.

Cristina: What? So that's somewhere in.

Jack: This is the Clinton furnace.

Cristina: Whoa. It's just in the middle of nowhere.

Jack: Just in the woods.

Cristina: That's. That's pretty creepy. But okay, yes.

Jack: So the bridge, very prominent location for the child. The furnace, second, very prominent location for the child. They show up in other places. These are the two most consistent, like last time, a bunch of records that I even put timelines about how often they were mentioned within these gaps. Same idea, except I'm not doing that timeline thing. But these were the two most extreme mentions at the bridge. But we've heard that one a lot.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And looking into that, found very little. Yeah, the furnace, weird anomaly. You start looking into the furnace, you find the furnace's existence. You find public records of the kid being mentioned. Oh, there's been a lost boy. We think we saw a boy loss. We think we saw runaway by there. All these different scenarios of there's a young boy somewhere around the ruins of the furnace.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Okay, okay, so that was interesting. So I start looking into the furnace.

Cristina: It has to be a hotspot, right?

Jack: It has to be a hot spot. Or it doesn't have to be a hot spot, but there's something weird about the furnace. And then we find only even in public records, even in documentations of construction, even. There's no direct link as to why this exists, just theories as to why it was there and what it was being used for. Yeah, very strange.

Cristina: How long ago do you have, like a year it was made or something?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Oh, wow.

Jack: No, it's just very obscure information on this. It's sort of unknown.

Cristina: It's just, it's a mystery.

Jack: It's a legitimate mystery.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: So I was, I wanted to know who owns this right now, who owns that? And like it's somebody's property. Otherwise I could just go there and say, it's mine. Yeah, somebody owns it.

Jack: So I look at who owns it and okay, it lands right back where we started. It was owned by the Newark Watershed Conservation and Development Corporation, the people who own the woods.

Cristina: Okay, so what were they doing?

Jack: Yeah, exactly. The problem is that existed already and it was bought by NORC when the other guy died. Okay, so we're gonna talk about that for a second. What do we what do you remember specifically about that? Or should I just go into it and not bother.

Cristina: Let me try. Let me try a little. Okay. See, they were hired to investigate the kkk. I think that's what I remember.

Jack: Okay, I'll jump into it. When the owner died, his. Their family. His family sold the property, the castle and the land to the NORC Watershed Organization, the new Watershed.

Cristina: Did you?

Jack: Yes, I did.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The Newark Watershed Organization was then contacted by the mayor.

Cristina: That's what I remember, the mayor.

Jack: So that they can work. I mean, they were. Contact. Yeah. The Norquater Shed and the mayor. Yeah. Mayor of West Milford work together to investigate because there were reports of cult activity. And so they go and research, come up with nothing. The guy retires, and then we get mentions of the kkk.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: They were just working along. So the structure existed before that. They acquired the property, the castle. And that was on the property. So that's theirs too. So that's what the background to that was, wasn't. They were hired to look at the kkk.

Cristina: Because at that time, people were just.

Jack: Cool with the kkk. Unless you were black.

Cristina: Okay. It was about the Colts.

Jack: Yeah. So when Richard J. Cross died, who is a former owner, is when it was acquired. Now looking at the Newark Watershed Conservation and Development Corporation, which for short, I might just call NORC Watershed.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: NORC Watershed was being investigated for corruption from 2008 to 2013. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they were found guilty in 2013 for corruption. Yes.

Cristina: Okay. What are they doing?

Jack: Key thing to matter about here is ownership of the entire property shifts to the city of Newark in 2013, where it has ignored the forest facilities since. Now, Newark Watershed was in charge of maintaining and taking care of the forest. And in the 1950s, as it was falling into disrepair, people started hanging out in that area. And that's what you know. There's kids hanging out in there and we got these reports of satanic things. We cannot have kids trying to think it's fun and scary and go check it out. That's dangerous. We gotta investigate, make sure there's nothing there. So when kids show up, they don't eventually, you know, what was it, 1988 like? You just knock it down. Kids are still going to this f****** day. And that s***'s dangerous now. It's falling apart so much, it's dangerous. Just knock it down so nobody gets hurt out there.

Cristina: Which one they're knocking down? The castle.

Jack: Yeah, the castle. This is about the castle. But so they. When newark acquired in 2013, they just ignored it. But it was already in disrepair. So it was nothing. It's like at least nobody's stealing money and saying they're. So what are the charges that they were given that they were in fact guilty for? So two charges. Let's unpack the first one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The first charge is kickback schemes. I'll explain. A kickback scheme is when you create a loop scenario where you get profit off of money that was supposed to go for something else. Usually we call that taking off the top.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Right. So what was happening? No maintenance or oversight was being performed specifically on the property of Clinton Road. The surrounding forests and structures. Specifically on that. They. The Northwatershed organization owns a bunch of things.

Cristina: And they just abandoned it? Pretty much.

Jack: Well, they abandoned this place. They own a bunch of things. They're in charge of maintaining a bunch of places. And they just don't do that for Clinton Road or the forest specifically. That area. All their other s*** is well maintained. And Clinton Road is so wide and the things are so hard to locate within it that there's no point. You could just take them out their word. Whatever. Who's out there anyways? Right. Funding provided by the city of Newark for the property, for maintaining the property was paid to shell companies owned by members of the organization. So fake. Other companies would come in and maintain with the budget provided by. But those companies were owned by the members. Fun. And no worker was sent in to maintain anything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So all of it, a hundred percent of it is pocket money. On top of the fact that goes through somebody's quote company, unquote. So they get more money through tax and stuff. Because you're running a business.

Cristina: That's so strange that they would pick the spots and just ignore.

Jack: It is so strange. I would pick this spot to be fair. So strange.

Cristina: Wonder why.

Jack: Right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're just stealing the money. That seems like the logical reason. Nobody's gonna look at this. Just stealing the money. What else could we say it is? Right. It's a bunch of people. They know all the property is in ruins or so distant into the woods. And people don't normally get out of their car. Most people are scared. And the few people who make it that far, they're already careful enough. Do this frequently. It's like there's no worries here. Really. Really?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Even the investigation from the 50s was just for caution. No kid is going to go and really get hurt because these are thrill seekers. Which means they're usually the more cautious individuals because they're familiar with thrill seeking. So what do you do? You pocket the money. This is stupid project. We acquired the thing and whatever.

Cristina: Well.

Jack: So what's interesting is in the document, it elaborates as this has been going on for about 70 years.

Cristina: How many? Seven.

Jack: 70 years.

Cristina: 70. Oh, okay.

Jack: Whoa. It could not have been the same people. 70 years is aggressively long. You tell me 20 years, I can believe the same people were doing it. You tell me 70 years. That's two entire lifetimes. If you started at one person, he died, and now another person, then he died. Now that next person is in charge.

Cristina: That's possible.

Jack: Yeah. Except why are they still running this system? Nobody came through who wasn't corrupt.

Cristina: Yeah, well, if they hire the people that are. I don't know. That's interesting.

Jack: Fair enough. Maybe Norquatershed was selecting its employees. Yeah, like, oh, I. I want to lift this guy from this other place and bring him with us. And it's like, you definitely work with him in other places. Probably mentioned, hey, I got some opportunities, you know, if you. If you could be trusted.

Cristina: It became a family business thing. Like, okay, my children.

Jack: Yes, essentially. Right. The names of the individuals, irrelevant. We look at them and it goes nowhere. It's just. They were really just racking in the money. That's it. It's just weird corruption thing. But I don't know. This is weird.

Cristina: Yeah. For seven, 70 years.

Jack: That's crazy about 70 years. And because for 70 years it wasn't maintained. That's why the castle went to disrepair. That's why everything became ruins. Nothing was being maintained and now nothing is left. Yeah, I mean, there's stuff out there, but none of it is maintained. So that is the first charge. The second charge is where it gets a little more interesting because the second charge was bribery.

Cristina: Who are they bribing? Okay, what's going on?

Jack: Well, members of the NORC Watershed organization were receiving third party donations in exchange for not performing all of their duties.

Cristina: Oh, okay. I see. They're getting money from whoever's using the forest to do whatever the mysterious things that people are saying that are happening there. Okay.

Jack: Emails, wire transfers, as well as paper trails dating more than two thirds of a century backed the investigation and the conviction of the members.

Cristina: So it's been happening since the beginning of 70 years to current day?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Well, not current, but when they decided to do something about it.

Jack: So I. We. There's a lot of math we have to think about right now. 70 years. This happens. The conviction in 2013. If we count backwards, where do we land? You take 10 from 70, you make it 60, that leaves you to 2003. Now you subtract 60 and that takes you to 1940.

Cristina: Okay, 1943.

Jack: Yeah. Right. Now this is, this is where it's going to get a little interesting. And we got to unpack some of these details. Now first. Weird. Before I go on to the next, let's. Let's unpack this real quick. Definitely. It sounds like you're right. There's this third party who's bribing them. Is bribing them for them ignoring the thing. Yes, because it doesn't say what duties they were to ignore. The two charges don't seem in paperwork related, but they're obviously to us. Yeah. You telling me they're being bribed to not do their job and telling me that they were receiving all the money provided for a job that was given directly to them and they were supposed to put for the thing, but they just pocketed and said that's the reality of what's happening here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Two quote, unrelated, obviously related.

Cristina: Oh my gosh, it's so wrong.

Jack: It's weird too. So who is the third party? And none of you. Like, who the f***? Why are you guys okay with it instead of reporting? Then again, you don't care to be.

Cristina: With the cult, though. It's like the most. Like you were. That was the first time we hear of them. Like, oh, solve that cult problem. And like that cult problem probably took care of them. That's probably where it starts. I don't know. I don't remember what year that starts, though.

Jack: Well, here's what's interesting, right? Because we assume it makes sense that this has been going on since it got bought, except it got bought in 1919. And if it got bought in 1919, then nothing makes less sense than 70 years back. Because even if we started at the year 2000, it would be 80 years already just to get to 1920. Then we'd have to add another 10 years to get to 2010. So that's 90. Or it's almost 100 years apart, but we're seeing 70. And when we do the math, we land in the 40s, 43. And when we find out when the lady was first mentioned, it's 1965.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We're in the ballpark of something that's happening, but it's unclear what the f*** is happening. We're just insignificant time. So let's dive a little deeper into this. So the two primary members, everybody else was given fines. Everybody else was given jail time. These two spearheaders were given prison time.

Cristina: Okay, cool.

Jack: Now let's unpack the details here. The bribery was. So they discontinue monitoring, specifically the forest. I find that later in the original documents for the courts, in the original case files, they were reported as separate, different cases. And there was almost an attempt, an intentionality to not relate them. It looked very intentional. There was never anybody who clearly stated, well, somebody was doing something in the forest if you guys weren't mentioned. Nowhere. But like, could it be any more obvious?

Cristina: Yes. Who is this? Other people? Where's that? Courtroom.

Jack: Yeah. And like the fact that there was no attempt to connect the dots. There was no attempt on record to connect the dots, but you could find anywhere else that the theories of people just. Yeah, it was definitely that they were getting paid for. Like, people know this. It's just common knowledge that this. Whoever this group was, was clearly paying these people to go in and out. But no document says it. No official court document says it. No official public document says it that they're related. Yeah. You find other non officialized documents throughout time that mention things.

Cristina: None of it mentions who this other party could be.

Jack: No. So, yeah. To allow the third party free access to the lands was ultimately the point. Weirdly enough, the third party's name had been redacted anywhere it had been mentioned.

Cristina: So they know who it is.

Jack: Yep. From everywhere. Doesn't matter where. And there again was an intentionality to not mention their name in a lot of places where it would be obvious that you would. In a proper court structure, you'd probably restructure this to forcefully include the name as often as possible, to reference back as often as possible. Just obviously absent from places. You'd structure things intentionally to have it weird.

Cristina: So they knew. They knew and. But for some reason, you can't say it.

Jack: The city of Nork. No, I don't know if West Milford had any f******.

Cristina: Yeah, but they. The city. What? Okay.

Jack: And I don't know what's happening because again, the mayor of Milford was concerned about weird things. He was the one staging organized like, you know, let's go investigate.

Cristina: Yes. And then he quit. So was he bribed to quit or something?

Jack: Something scary must have happened to him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the paper trail extends straight into the very first initial agreement that was signed by this redacted named company. You know what this reminds me of? When we first found the trade route that goes to Epstein's Island. It was a whole episode. And this reminds me of that. I mean, it was like a shipping spot that was Just on this island.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it would only take one trip, and it was to the Epstein's island. This reminds me of that level of sketch of, like, somebody went far to make this vanish.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The paper trail goes all the way to 8-3-19. That is the first sighting of the document. 8-3-19.

Cristina: How did they do it, though?

Jack: Like, it.

Cristina: That's so crazy that you said 70 years.

Jack: Like, how it has to be intentional with people hiring. They had to be hand picking everybody intentionally.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It was gonna eventually collapse. It's crazy it lasted that long.

Cristina: Yeah. That's so crazy. Make it last that long.

Jack: But that means they were slipping and that's why they were put on there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Something was giving, and it was becoming too visible. And it was that time for the city to be like, you guys are not trustworthy anymore for whatever reason.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because they didn't go in and do anything. In fact, now it's less guarded. It's actively less guarded. And nobody's taking money for it. Nobody's been pretending to garden. Now it's just not guarded.

Cristina: I don't understand. Oh, maybe whoever this third party was realized, like, it doesn't matter. We don't have to keep paying these people. Like, they got them in trouble because now they don't have to bribe them because they know, like, okay, we. The laws make sense now that we don't need them.

Jack: Yeah, Fair. Maybe. It could totally be the case.

Cristina: Things are gonna just work out for us because there's no.

Jack: Yeah. They could have structural structured things in such a way that they're like, we couldn't get caught. And if we did get caught, we couldn't get in trouble.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Like, definitely. It could be. I don't know what the logic behind it is, but it's just a weird shift. This suddenly happened. Something made the Newark Watershed Organization irrelevant. Suddenly.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Not sure what, but something did. And it could have totally been that.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Weird. And here's the thing. We had a period of random cars coming in and out. This sketchy. Unmarked black vehicles coming in and out. This gets signed in 1935, in 1939. And then in 1965. Actually, I have the thing right here. See, the very first mention.

Cristina: Oh, the cars.

Jack: Of the woman is actually 1965. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, 1965. And then where do we get mentions of the cars? Blah, blah, blah. No, 1966. Immediately following the lady. Okay, 1965 is when the lady shows up. 1966 is the cars. 1939 is when the agreement was signed. Now, I had to add this extra note here because of the nature of the situation, but I'm gonna scroll up to that real quick and I'm going to tell you something that is very exaggeratedly interesting. And we can unpack it after I say it. I don't know what it means or what it should mean. Let's unpack some of the acquisition details.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In 1919, Clinton Road is acquired by the NORC Watershed Organization. In 1939, the Sketchy Deal is performed. That is August 31st, the Last Thursday and day of the month. Why did I feel it was relevant to point that out? The Newark Watershed Organization signs a donor agreement on that date with a third party donor to leave Clinton Road and the surrounding forest unmaintained and unpatrolled. Now, why is the date so significant?

Cristina: I don't know. And tries to guess. I don't know.

Jack: The very, very, very next day is the beginning of World War II. The very next day this gets signed, and the very next day is the beginning of World War II. I don't know if that's relevant in any manner, shape or form. The very next day World War II started.

Cristina: Okay. Now is it coincidence? Yeah.

Jack: Now let's talk about this coincidence real quick. There's three pieces in here that make a lot of sense for what I just said. I don't know what they mean.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The date this was signed. Sightings of the KKK at the castle. And one other piece that stops it from being coincidences, but suddenly makes it something to observe. How do we start the episode with a boy. Where?

Cristina: In the furnace place.

Jack: There's nothing more N*** Germany than a furnace. Oh, we have the KKK, a furnace and the date before World War II all in the same place.

Cristina: Because we have no idea if that is the kkk.

Jack: We have no idea. We also know that druids look identical to a cloaked man. So, you know, just random details that just seem to build patterns. I don't know what that means. I don't know what the relevance of this date was. I was looking, what significant thing happened around here. Googling and s***. I'm like, what the f***? World War I started the very next day. Hours from this point.

Cristina: Interesting. I don't know. It's just weird. I don't know.

Jack: It's just weird. I also don't know.

Cristina: The boy. If there was other beings around the furnace, that'd be interesting. Like other ghosts.

Jack: There have been. There's just no repetition.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The boy is who's often seen there.

Cristina: Yeah, he Definitely feels like an echo type of thing. But then he's in two places.

Jack: He's in two places. And we know he's not an echo because of one detail. He interacts with the woman we know isn't an echo and that unless she's playing a role to look like an echo herself.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: But she interacts with the boy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the boy isn't an echo, but he's always like.

Cristina: They never say he's doing something like, what is he doing here?

Jack: I don't know. He's always hanging around the furnace and he's always by the bridge. One or the other. It could just be a legit hangout spot by the bridge. Again, we've seen kids. Apparently they like to come close to the road and see people from the other side us roaming by. This could be that same thing. Kids is cool spot to see people from the other side.

Cristina: But if he and the girl are the same, why doesn't he age?

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. And weirdly enough, I had the same thought and I looked.

Cristina: Is there a man?

Jack: No, no. The boy is always the boy from beginning, straight through. The boy is always a boy.

Cristina: He's a ghost. No matter what he is some kind of ghostly figure.

Jack: He might actually be a jinn. He might actually be a jinn who's achieving human like features somehow. I don't know. I don't know. The boy is weird. There was no age attached to it. It never became a teenager. It was never a young man. It was never an older. There's nothing. No, it's always a boy. Always a young boy. And that's weird because the lady aged around him.

Cristina: That's weird.

Jack: Unless it's different boys. It doesn't seem to be. The descriptions all match. There seems to be very consistent. It could be different boys, but then they're in uniform.

Cristina: That's also very strange.

Jack: But now let's take a step back. This girl could be one of many girls and something extra wrong happened to her. Or all of them are girls and we're seeing a bunch because again, sometimes we still get mentions of the young girl. But rarely. Rarely. Maybe. Maybe there's just kids being experimented on. That fits the suit for 99 of the we've looked into.

Cristina: Yes, but do we never get the girl at the furnace?

Jack: I never know. No records of the girl at the furnace.

Cristina: Okay. What was the furnace doing in there? I don't know. Okay.

Jack: Weird, right?

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: What are we learning? What is this telling Us.

Cristina: There's things that look related but we cannot connect them.

Jack: Yeah. And there's some weird f****** NORC is in on whatever's happening. NORC knows, or at least it has an idea.

Cristina: Or they can't do anything about it.

Jack: Or they can't do anything about it. But no, I doubt that. I think there's. I don't know. Who knows? Maybe you're totally right. Like, what is the force that's so intense we just ignore it, let it go. The less people looking in that direction, the better. Literally dissolve this. Have nobody work it. Just say we're maintaining it and never do. Like, what? That's better than having somebody fakely maintain it. Yes. Less people to go look.

Cristina: That is strange. Yes. Who is this third party?

Jack: Who is this third party? I did everything to try to find any information. It was just non existent.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it still. It brings into the question the fact that the kids don't age. Then adds this weird question. Because when we were looking at the girl, the lady and the woman, it looks, based on the timeline in which dimensions happen, that there is at least one person who's actually consistent, even if all the others might actually be other people. There is one person that people have seen more who is the same person and maybe all the others are different. So they see a bunch of little girls all the time, teenage girls, and then this one lady who's aged the entire time. They've continued to see all these young girls. They could. I think they're running experiments on children. And what we're seeing is actually different kids and something extra, extra, extra bad happened to this one person and they're somehow trapped in between areas or something.

Cristina: But you think kids are important in this?

Jack: I think. I mean, we keep seeing these children and the girl and like the girl became more rare as time went by. But I think it's because of the prominence of the woman, not because the girls lessened. I think it's the prominence of the woman. Everybody sees the woman, she's there.

Cristina: And the people that hang out on the beach though, are they children? Do you remember? Yeah. Where she gets the water? There's always like people hanging out there.

Jack: You mean the lake?

Cristina: The lake, yes. There's always people hanging out there that we assume are like maybe different echoes from a certain.

Jack: Yes, it looks like those are actually echoes. Or not even a neck. Yes, yes, it's an echo. They're literally looking through a portal into a different time. Yeah, that's not now. And that's not like now would still Be now regardless of which realm you're in. But then would be then regardless of what realm you're looking in. And he's just literally looking at a different time and those people aren't there. That seems to be the case that there's a lot of like time pockets around the lake, which would also like what happened in the lake that she's also so focused on the lake.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If she's trapped between realms and trying to find a way out. Where the most bubbles exist is where you would be doing the most experiments.

Cristina: I suppose that could be.

Jack: She could be trying to get out or jump into either side. But then, is there an in between frequency you can land in that means that realms would be infinite. If there's an in between space, that means realms are infinite.

Cristina: I don't. I don't know. Because the way they describe the fairy. Using the fairy realm to travel through the shadow realm makes it seem like there is no in between. Like there is, but you can't actually be in the in between.

Jack: Except that is really, really old thinking. Considering we corrected that with how Herme later explained literally being able to just walk in with nothing but thought power. That's very different. How you manipulating reality so much. You could just. I'm here now in L. F. Okay. And that violates what we were reading before. What was other people's interpretation? That they are using it to cut path. And that made it look like satellites. But then eventually we found things that make it look like Earth and shadow are literally just. You boxed off a part of shadow.

Cristina: And called it Earth.

Jack: And it looks kind of like maybe there's some connection there in the same fashion between Elfame and the shadow realm. And in that case, they are physically, literally in Elfame and physically, literally in the shadow realm. When they are moving through those, it would seem that maybe Elfame is smaller somehow. And in return, going to Elfhame could allow you shortcuts, and that would make sense.

Cristina: That would be weird. If it's smaller.

Jack: Well, it's allowing you shortcuts between the other space.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If it was bigger, you'd travel less. But if it's smaller, you do small distances in Elfame and that's greater distances over here.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But at least that's just a way of thinking about it. If that's the case, then yeah, it's a frequency. That means there's an infinite number of different frequencies we could jump into. We're surrounded by infinite numbers of realities, literally. And Hermes, actually anybody. And being able to Just manipulate and cross between them. You are beyond what God could ever conceive of being. Beyond. Like our descriptions of the most powerful, exaggerated gods. Even when we look at the research we've done and ground those gods into reality. People who consume entire stars for energy couldn't f*** with a guy who could go into a reality where that star doesn't exist.

Cristina: There he's the only one that seems to really be able to do that. Because everyone else has, you know, the gates or some kind of gates to be made.

Jack: Even Jesus.

Cristina: Even Jesus, yeah. There are gates in this woods that we haven't found.

Jack: Maybe. But Hermes doesn't seem to require anything. No, like the true deal seems overpowered on some other s***. And the more we look at Hermes and the more we compare information to Hermes, it makes things like Santa Claus look watered down. Because, d***, you overpowered as h***. Santa. Few people could f*** with Santa on a real day. Jehovah, with his best technology, would struggle. But I don't think Santa could spot Hermes if he wanted to.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, I think that's the level of difference. It seems too overwhelmingly exaggerated.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I mean, he can easily go to any reality whenever he wants. An infinite number of different realities. No, nothing is a barrier. Time is an illusion. Place is just a state of mind. What the do you mean, bro? What? This is just how you think and how you move. And the universe works in this way for you?

Cristina: Yeah. That is ridiculous.

Jack: Nuts, Crazy. Crazy. I don't f****** know. But if that's the case, if that's possible, then maybe this lady stuck between realms. I don't know what else she could be doing. I don't know what she could be doing. She's definitely running experiments. I don't know for her, but she looked scared. Or maybe those were other girls. Other girls getting away, getting horrified and being killed by random s*** in the woods. We don't see their bodies and s*** because it's on the other side.

Cristina: There's some type of experimenting going on there.

Jack: It looks like it, bro. And they're running out in gowns. All of them?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Come on, bro. Oh, it's a white dress. Oh, it's nightgown. Oh, it's a raincoat, bro. Let's summarize this way quickly. You're looking at two things and don't know how to describe it. One is a lab coat, and the other one is a medical gown. All of them are those two things. Every description anybody has ever given matches those two things. Who the f*** owns a white raincoat? Back then, when white was harder to make, nobody owned a f****** white raincoat. That's not a raincoat. Anybody who used raincoat to describe this is stupid. I'm sorry. Anybody who was going through these wisdoms. There's a woman in a white raincoat. You have never in your life heard those two words put together. Because nobody f****** owns a white raincoat. There's a lab coat, bro. Come on. And the gown is f******. A medical gown, bro. Medical.

Cristina: But if she's wearing a white something, is she part of the group that we see as KKK's or not? We know they're not really. But the cult members in white.

Jack: No. Because cloaks are very different than gowns. Gowns is you are a patient. Cloaks, you are a wizard. And raincoat your doctor.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The cloak. I don't know how to relate the cloaks to anything.

Jack: That's just weird.

Cristina: That's just weird.

Jack: The raincoat. That's a lab coat. They are almost identical. And to somebody in the middle of the night, that's the same s***. And the nightgown and a medical gown are both called gowns because they are both gowns and are structured almost identically. Except white is in the scenario we're talking about. And blue is common day pass it. The only difference still f****** nightgowns.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The only place it gets a little iffy is when they say dress. And you could easily confuse a dress for a hanging nightgown and a little bit of wind. You know? Easy, simple, logical. I am thinking nightgowns and lab coats. That's what it sounds like. There's too many girls. And it looks like they still get mentioned casually, even if predominantly it's the lady in the rain. Quote, raincoat.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But a bunch of girls in nightgowns? Come on, bro. There's a doctor and a bunch of chicks who were experimented on trying to run away and ask for help. Oh, please save me.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why they're always asking for help. Why they always street side? Please give me a ride. And then they disappear when you get too close. Because they ain't there. But they see you. You see them. And then neither one of you sees each other when you're too close. They ran away from the facility. Presumably the church. Not the church. The castle is probably still functional on the other side.

Cristina: Yes. We have no idea. Yeah. All these places that are in there.

Jack: Probably maintained like a m*********** on the other side.

Cristina: On the other side. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah.

Jack: That's my theory.

Cristina: I don't know, I like that theory.

Jack: Yeah. I couldn't confirm one way or another, but it's pretty heftily leaning in that direction. Yeah. Let's see some of these details here. The when the city of Newark absorbed ownership of the land, they collected the necessary documentation required for evidence to support their cases. This is weird. And destroyed the rest of the documents. Everything else was destroyed. They only used the documents that would support the case of convicting the individuals. And only that. No additional details. And completely removed the rest. These destroyed documents included the information related to the briber because they were unquote unknowing of the specific rules and regulations pertaining to this particular instance. Unquote. And as a result were, quote, unknowing participants. Unquote.

Cristina: The briber were unknowing?

Jack: Yes. According to these documents, they were unknowing participants because they weren't familiar with these specific laws pertaining to the situation. It sounds like you're describing foreigners. Bro.

Cristina: Interesting. Yeah.

Jack: Sounds like you're describing foreigners. Bro. They're doing legal things and didn't know the laws.

Cristina: They didn't know the laws.

Jack: Yeah. They ain't from here. Bro. They just ain't from here is what you're trying to say.

Cristina: Yeah, right.

Jack: They weren't familiar with the laws.

Cristina: Please.

Jack: Bro. And that's why there is no information related to the third party.

Cristina: They destroyed it. They actively destroyed Directors said they don't know.

Jack: Only use what they needed to convict everybody.

Cristina: We don't understand the laws. That's the excuse. That is so crazy.

Jack: The quote is exactly. Where'd it go? Unknowing of the specific rules and regulations pertaining to this particular instance.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: And thus get labeled later as, quote, unknowing participants. Unquote.

Cristina: How's that possible?

Jack: That's a lie. That's legally a lie. This is bullshit.

Cristina: That's just so crazy. That's so crazy.

Jack: The conclusion of the collected information pertaining to this, as far as I see it, is a random undisclosed party gets free access in and out of Clinton Road for unspecified reasons. The watershed members as a result use the extra money to hire their pays. This continues as company culture from leader to leader. Right. Until 2008 when an investigation begins that results in the disbandment and the imprisonment of the members. In 2013, that seems to be what I believe happened. Now looking back at the lady. The lady happens. The cars show up. Cops don't investigate this. The only time somebody went in to investigate was for the satanic things.

Cristina: And they said nothing was found.

Jack: Nothing was found.

Cristina: Because they weren't investigating.

Jack: They weren't investigating or they weren't. And they did find something. And that's why that guy quit. Because they did find something. And it was like, well, you went too far. Now your family is in danger. Quit and say nothing.

Cristina: Yes. That has to be it. That has to. Nothing else makes sense.

Jack: Nothing else makes sense.

Cristina: All of this, it's just.

Jack: You found it. Now quit.

Jack: And if you say anything, well, based on what you saw, you would know what would happen.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You saw it. You personally sent me a message.

Cristina: Yeah. They have no one there.

Jack: There's nobody there. Empty.

Cristina: Very suspicious. So suspicious it's crazy.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What did you find? This is very strange.

Jack: Yeah, very strange. There's no. No literal. It's just like a. I guess it's a summary of my thoughts. It's less of a conclusion.

Cristina: But yeah, but yeah, yeah, something is happening there.

Jack: Something is happening in Clinton Road. Like there's legal forces involved and there's outside third party individuals. There's symmetry with random things. The kkk, the date and the furnace, the lady meeting the boy, the gown, the lab coats. The fact that we found looking identical again. When I found Skywalker Ranch, when I looked at Stonehenge, when I looked here, actually looked here because of what I found over there. I began by looking for distortions. Space time distortions, electrical magnetic distortions. Cold spots that aren't explained by weather.

Cristina: Where their distortions are at. There's so much more.

Jack: Yes, specifically where there is space time distortions of which looking we have weird distortion electrical currents that shouldn't be happening at random time storms that happen shooting times. There's cold spots that happen at random times. There's the holes that show up and go. There's facilities that get seen and disappear. There's people who. And like this fit every suit. Just before I got to everything I just mentioned, just with the anomalies happening in the environment without seeing anything weird.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's enough to look. And then the fact that everything weird is here and then you look at all weird s*** and you start coming across all this.

Cristina: Yes, something is happening there. Something is happening and still happening there.

Jack: It's still happening there to this day. To this day. Still going on. But is the lady in the raincoat the same as the girls? That doesn't seem to be the case now because she keeps getting mentioned. And they get mentioned, even if less so. They still get mentioned. People still see the girls. We've never seen the boy age. No boy got Trapped in some. In between. Maybe she's not trapped in between. Maybe she was one of them and joined the bad guys or the good guys. I don't know what they're doing.

Cristina: Yeah. How could you explain what's going on? Whether it's bad or good.

Jack: Whether it's bad or good. There's just something going on.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now I think she's not the same as the other girls. I think there are multiple females.

Cristina: Poor Kow. It's hard to tell. Because of the clothing.

Jack: Because the fact that there is different sets of clothing and they mention young girls still, even if way less. So you could just assume security got tighter and tighter and tighter and less girls get away.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or they found the other. Maybe if they're phasing girls into the other side. Because a lot of the ancient experiments were ultimately trying to figure out how to cross thresholds easily. Maybe that's what's happening. And all they're doing is sending them over there and then they just can't get them back or send them into some middle ground or something. And then they're stuck asking for help. Or maybe they do. Maybe it works and they just not sure how to reverse it and get back.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're like we're sending them to the shadow Realm. We just don't know how the to get them back out of the shadow world. Maybe these girls aren't jacked up with anything. So they're just on the other side somehow.

Cristina: From experiments.

Jack: Yeah, from some kind of experiment that.

Cristina: Has to do with maybe the cult that's there. The cults? You don't know.

Jack: Whatever Druid activity they see. Because things happen at the f****** council.

Cristina: Is that the next place we're going?

Jack: You ask that every episode. And I've told you there's too much to cover.

Cristina: There's really that much?

Jack: Then again, I was looking at the boy and I found the unrelated furnace. And I didn't even focus on the furnace. Looking at the furnace, I found an entire corruption scheme.

Cristina: That is so crazy.

Jack: Like we're not getting to the castle anytime soon. Or the mines. Both of those are being ignored. Maybe for a year.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: There's too much other crap to look at. And before we look at any of that, we need the biggest picture possible. Because I'm sure there's going to be too much we don't understand.

Cristina: We need context.

Jack: Yeah, we just need context. I'm sure as we go through other things, this over there will inform this over here. But we need that many crossing wires before we get to what's obviously the center, which has to be either castle or the mines. What's weird is we see people coming in and out of mines and no weird mentions of anything else. But the castle has a bunch of weird s*** happening and there's just people kind of lurking around there. The castle seems almost too obvious, while the Mayans seem almost like. You guys don't wanna. I didn't know they were mines.

Cristina: I didn't know they were mines.

Jack: Yeah. Had to look and find that. People have reported weird things in and out of there. And it's like you guys are burying the mine documents.

Cristina: Was there more? Because you said there's more. So, like, the furnace is already a weird one.

Jack: What, like other structures?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, yeah. There's other structures.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Whether they're weird or not really depends on how deep I fall and what I find while looking there. But there's a lot. There are many small structures and things here. Some other houses that aren't random detail. Every inch of the property around Clinton Road belongs to the castle. When the castle was sold, the castle's property was sold. And that is the entirety of everything we know as the forest around Clinton Road.

Cristina: Including the furnace then.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Including the furnace, the lake, everything from all 10 miles of it belonged to the one castle that was all just one land.

Cristina: Okay. Whoa.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What is happening?

Jack: Wasn't even bought for that much money. It was sold for like $30,000 and it was 10 miles worth of land. Was watching a video where dude paid for his first home, which was a five bedroom house, and he only paid $3,000 for it. He paid that in 1940.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: $3,000. Five bedroom family home right now is a little over a quarter of a million.

Cristina: Yeah, well.

Jack: Well, it depends. You could find that same size house and it would be a million, depending where you go. Anyways, unrelated to that bunch of random going on, there's definitely something happening there. We have different individuals that seem to be cohesive individuals. We don't know about this kid. I gotta look more into this kid. I tried to connect the dots and have the kid kind of be a focal point for this episode. There's actually surprisingly little information on that kid. The lady's everywhere.

Cristina: This kid is an actual mystery.

Jack: The kid's an actual mystery. The kid. If we didn't have the lady aging, we would see the girls and be very confused. That's another reason that this tells me that those might be different people. Because the cohesiveness comes together when we have a consistent narrative to follow. Which happens with lady, not with the girls. If we just stop at the girls with the gowns and it's a bunch of isolated situations that don't seem to converge anymore. Yeah, and the language changing over time is part of why we can connect the dots successfully. Without that. No, it's just a girl. It's just at that point it's just an echo. Except they seem to be moving and behaving and reacting. So they're there.

Cristina: And the boy may not be an echo, but we have no more information on him.

Jack: The boy responds at least to the girl. And the girl's not an echo. So by extension the kid's not an echo. But then what's happening with the kid? And why aren't you in a medical gown? That's another interesting question. Okay, why are you fully clothed? Normally the girl's in a gown. You're not anywhere they see you. So all these boys, or this one boy, not the same as a girl. But they have a meeting.

Cristina: But they're somehow related. Yes, at the end of the day, they're somehow related.

Jack: They're somehow communicating. And they always meet in the same place. The only place you ever see them interact happens to be the bridge. Interesting, I didn't think about that. The only place. All the documents say the same thing. Ultimately, they point at when the girl is seen with the boy. It's at the bridge. You can see the boy outside of the bridge. You can see the girl outside of the bridge. You never see the boy and the girl together outside of the bridge. You only see them at the bridge. I would argue this might support the frequency theory, in which at that spot the frequency is so exact she can see him and he can see her.

Cristina: Interesting. So then they might not be the same.

Jack: And they walk away from that spot and they're not even in the same place. They can't see each other, they can't interact. If they both leave that spot, they sort of phase back into their normal frequency.

Cristina: Okay, interesting.

Jack: Alternatively, if that is the case, maybe there's not an in between spot. She aged. She's from this side. He does not look like a gem. He's not from the shadow realm. But that spot is still a convergence point. Maybe that kid's no fame. Elves are described looking like people and Nephilim are described looking like people. Most fairies take on human like characteristics oftentimes young kids and short older men.

Cristina: If he's a fairy, then he's way more important than we think he is.

Jack: And that's also why there's way less information.

Cristina: Okay. Is he running experiments in that furnace?

Jack: I don't think he would be running. I think this is an actual kid. I think by whatever measurements qualify as a child in Elfhame, I think that would be the equivalent. And maybe time works so different that hundreds of years could pass for us, and he will still look like a child.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah. Because we don't know.

Jack: We don't know. But it looks like a convergence point. If we try to rationalize, why is it that they're there together, nowhere else?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Maybe she can't see him anywhere else. Maybe he can't see her anywhere else. That's where they can.

Cristina: Yeah, that sounds right. I don't know.

Jack: Which then means looking at the bridge becomes really important. What's happening there that isn't happening at the castle?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And if this lady's running experiments, why isn't she running it at the bridge? Or is she trying to replicate what's happening at the bridge elsewhere?

Cristina: Oh, I don't know.

Jack: And what's happening at the bridge fits more like the Vikings solution to the problem by making an area that they can visit but they can't normally cross through. Although eventually they created a crossing point. No, no, no. It was just communication and communication. Yeah, once he drank the blood and then. Crossing point. But yeah. So basically, it sounds like that naturally happened here in that very spot. Except it can't cut. So maybe she's trying to replicate that. So she comes, interacts with the kid, talks her friends. Maybe she goes back and how do I make this thing? And then goes to a place that has a bunch of weird s*** like that happening. The lake. Yes, to study. Goes to the kid, talk. That's another spot that's sort of similar, even if different. Could be. I don't know. I don't know. Spitballing.

Cristina: Is she trying to. I don't know if he has anything to do with what she's trying to do.

Jack: Yeah, he could just be somebody from some side who's really just a genuinely innocent kid, likes to come to the area, observe humans or whatever the. Is happening, and she goes there and communicates with them. Maybe they don't even speak the same language, but, you know, they enjoy each other's company or whatever the. Yeah, they know they're not a harm to one another.

Cristina: But did we see her actually talk to the child? Okay, yes.

Jack: They've passed items from one to another.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She will reach out to give a coin. He will put his hand out, receive the coin, throw it. He's just hanging out, playing with coins in the water. The fact that he's always doing it makes him seem like an echo. Yes, but then interacting with this chick who isn't breaks that. It's just a chill spot for him.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know. He seems. He's so strange. I don't know.

Jack: Another random bit. Fairies. Water. Coins tied tightly together. That is a tight, tight f****** mess that happens consistently. Make a wish. Fairy territory. And fairies looking for. You can give a fairy a coin to let you through some area. Like, just weird things like that.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Fairies, coins and water. The lady of the Lake.

Cristina: But he's not that. Or he. If he is, we don't see it. We don't see what's. What she gets from him. If she's getting anything.

Jack: I don't think she's getting anything. I think based on. I don't. I don't know. I don't know. Based on. Solely the public records oftentimes reported the police because they saw something.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It doesn't seem like it. Seems like just platonic, innocent, nice interactions that happen at the spot and nowhere else in the forest.

Cristina: And then he's not really doing anything at the furnace.

Jack: He was just there, wandering. The same way they see her wandering at the castle.

Jack: Almost like he lives there.

Cristina: Okay. Strange. Strange.

Jack: Which again? The fairy lives by the fire. Okay. Checks out. One of those weird, like, well, there's coincidences everywhere kind of s***. Hangs out by the water, lives by the fire. Like, what the f***? I don't. This is a fairy.

Cristina: I don't know. Yeah, could we. I don't know. The service range.

Jack: True Mysteries. True Mysteries. And I would go as far as to say whatever organization comes in and out is the same organization from the shipping dock. Would have to be so close together. Whatever. Or how many crazy shady organizations are trying the same s***.

Cristina: That's true, too. Like, who knows? I don't know.

Jack: That was nowhere near Clinton Road. And like, what the. Could not be more identical. Shady organizations transporting secret things, entering in and out of places. Epstein's Islands. Clearly a f****** farm for adrenochrome.

Cristina: But is this spot. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know, bro. Anyways. Anyways. Any of you guys have any input for any of this information, feel free.

Cristina: So many questions.

Jack: Too many questions. It is absurd. It is ridiculous. So you guys can go online, do your own research, find this. It's really weird. It gets really complicated. Tell me if you guys find out what the h*** Nord was doing involved.

Cristina: In cleaning Are they still doing something?

Jack: No, they still own it. They still own it to this day since 2013. And yeah. So you know, if you find anything interesting, if you want to talk to us about it, you can contact us on our socials at just convo pod that's on tick tock on Facebook, on Twitter AKA X and I said Instagram on all the places. Whatever. Just just convo podworth forever.

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July 01, 2023

Rambling 232: Titan Submersible Cover-Up

July 01, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

What was the real point behind the Titan Crew going down to visit the Titanic Crash Site? How was the Titanic originally located and why? What could really have been going on during the Titan Submersible Tragedy? The duo continue to unpack and dissect the information found relative to the submersible tragedy and all the conspiracies and cover-ups that came from the incident.

Topics Discussed:

Hunter Biden Blackmailing
Deleted Epstein Island Emails
Biden Impeachment Vote
Sneaky 6 Billion to Ukraine
IRS, FBI, CIA: Whistleblowers
Rothschild Family Bloodline
Warhead Submarine
The Titanic Crash Site
North Atlantic UAPs
Atlanteans

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today I come to talk about something that we actually talked about last week. Because we have to address a couple of important details about the submersible. The submersible from last week that is not a submarine. And I would like to begin by saying that people are monsters.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: People are horrible, awful humans. Most of us are going to go to h***. That's not even a bit of a question. If there is a God, a lot of us are f*****. Or God is probably dead. And that's why we're totally okay and don't feel the light of good making us have bad, better judgment and sympathy towards people. We're like a bunch of rich people died. Hahahaha ha ha ha ha.

Cristina: And the news channels with their watches.

Jack: Yes. Okay, that. That messed me up. We'll get to that. Okay, first, for whatever reason, the Internet has exploded into a hilarious roar of memes. I saw one that even I couldn't contain myself from, and it was essentially everybody showing the most expensive coffins. All of the most expensive coffins. Going from regular coffins at like five grand to people who legit. Yeah. Somebody literally bought an Egyptian coffin for $150,000. That's amazing. Or million dollars, something like that. But that's not even the point. It got real excessive when suddenly we have the submersible as being the most expensive coffin on that list. It like I felt something coming and it arrived and then I couldn't contain myself and I laughed. And I know I'm going to h***. We're all going to h***. I was essentially laughing at rich. A dead rich people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But like I'm one of millions. One of millions.

Cristina: We're also laughing.

Jack: We're also laughing. This got so out of hand so g****** fast. Millions and millions and millions of people. Hundreds of memes, maybe hundreds of thousands of memes making fun of rich people going underwater to essentially die.

Cristina: Yes. And people were really angry that we wasted money to get that stuff out of the water.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. A lot of people were really like, just let them die down there and leave everything down there because you're wasting taxpayer money to just go get some rich people and you're not even really getting anything from there.

Cristina: Yeah. There's no dead bodies to collect.

Jack: There's barely parts of the submersible to collect. Everything was turned into s*** by the pressure of the water. Nothing's gonna survive down there. Once it began collapsing, it ended. So last week, we talked about how it would have happened very gradually if we compared it to the sounds that they were hearing underneath the water. It took about 20 hours for those sounds to stop. Now, what a horrifying scene if we have the submersible slowly bending under the weight of the water above it. £16,000 per square inch. That's a lot.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Square inch so tiny. You got to put £16,000 on top of that per square inch over and over and over and over and over for the entire submersible. And everybody's mass so slowly being crushed, water flying in, air slowly becoming less. You either drown or you asphyxiate. Great. Fantastic. Phenomenal. Except this submersible had no way of fighting the pressure that was happening, which was discussed. I discussed as we talked about how this submersible had no infrastructure that would allow it to survive. It's basically a can underwater with nothing stopping a collapse. And when it did collapse, it basically happened so instantaneously, less than a fraction of a second would have gone by between when it began and it ended up. So they don't even know they're dead. They just stopped existing suddenly, and they have no idea happened. That's good. That's the best case scenario. They're just blinked out of existence. They don't know unless there's an afterlife and they're fully aware and they're like, what a dumb way to go. That's also some memes I've seen.

Cristina: No one was like, what a cool way to go.

Jack: No, but I've literally seen memes of essentially their ghost being, like, shocked about how they went. But it's been confirmed that it did, in fact, happen instantaneously, and there was absolutely no suffering. They did not have a single clue it went by. So the banging sounds that were happening underwater, apparently nobody really knows what the f*** that was.

Cristina: Probably nothing to do with it.

Jack: Probably nothing to do with it. There was one early bang that was obviously an implosion that happened about two hours after they went into the water. And they were fully aware that that implosion was the death of the individuals. But they didn't release that data. Didn't release that information. They kept that close to the chest, of course, but there was a clear distinction between the banging sounds they heard and the explosion. They heard. The explosion happened two hours after they went underwater. And then there were these banging sounds that happened from Wednesday to Thursday, from Wednesday morning to Thursday morning. 20 hours of consistent banging in the exact region that they were searching. Weird.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: We'll return to that later and save that for later. So why did they keep knowing that these individuals were dead? What was the value? Well, originally the naval officers that found the evidence with the sound and the region, there was a cloud of debris which was also found about four hours afterwards. All of this stuff very, very, very well known. And they told nobody, but they've had it since the day it happened. Maximum four hours before they had all the pieces of the puzzle proving that they were dead. But it took them a week to tell us. And they made believe they were searching. They were.

Cristina: Well, they did search for it because they did bring up parts of what.

Jack: Yeah, but they waited the entire week pretending that they had just found it. Yeah, they just got into the information. They just found out. They're just now aware and, oh, you know, this is the time where they must be dead because the oxygen timer ran out and now there's. Okay, so what you mentioned earlier is the fact that there was on cnn a literal clock counting down to when they would run out of air on the submarine. That's kind of messed up. Especially if the family of the individuals are tuning in to see any update and they're just faced with a clock showing them when their family members are going to die.

Cristina: Awful.

Jack: That's pretty bad. That's pretty bad. I don't know what the is wrong with humanity with news outlets that.

Cristina: How can anyone watch the news?

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. At this point, it is a hundred percent politics. It is a hundred percent propaganda. It is a hundred percent profit. There's no need to real report. There's no need. There's no need whatsoever. Reporting is dead now. It's all profit. And maybe it was always profit. Now it's just obvious. Yes, but like it was always a business no matter what. So like, what is anybody gonna say? You gotta make money one way or another, you know, there's no reason to, to not try to do everything you can to maximize your profits. But that still leaves the question of what was the point? Why are you guys holding on to it? You guys are a bunch of liars. Okay, fantastic. So what was the point? Well, well, it just so happened to be that it was a direct order from the President to not tell anybody.

Cristina: The President?

Jack: The President of the United States. Yes. In a shortly thereafter Declassified document had sent a direct order to not release the information. Who's unbeknown to anybody. Why. But it was ordered from the President. Like when they're out of oxygen. I am sure the naval officers thought because maybe there might be a hope because they're not out of air yet.

Cristina: No way. They had to be it on too.

Jack: Yeah, but without being able to make it clear, there's no document stating that. That would be an assumption. All we know factually is that an order was given to not release the information. Were they in on it? Well, that's speculation at this point. There's nothing saying that. There is something saying that they got a direct order from the President that said don't release the information. That part actually on paper. Now, why didn't the President of the United States want the information about five random explorers? Four and a child, if you want to be literal. Four in a child. Random explorers at the bottom of the ocean in a submersible vessel dying. Why did the President think it was useful to not give that out immediately? Well, that became really obvious once the data about the submersible came out.

Cristina: And.

Jack: And you look and pay attention to what happened in politics in that period of time. It was a distraction.

Cristina: That's so. Okay, okay, whatever.

Jack: Of course, yes. They abused an opportunity.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And took it with them.

Cristina: What were they distracting us from?

Jack: Now, this would definitely look like an orchestration, like, oh, we need a distraction, let's make a distraction. But there's nothing.

Cristina: Pretty horrible.

Jack: Nothing hinting toward that. It looks like opportunistic preying on a moment.

Cristina: That seems really what usually happens.

Jack: Yeah, I don't think a lot of the. There's definitely conspiracies and there's definitely things that have been done by the United States government. I don't think this necessarily might have to be one of those things. It was just a good moment to abuse, essentially. To abuse and to drown out the opposition's voice. You'd think that's the case. But there's not even an opposition being suppressed in the exchange that's happening here. What really is happening is the fact that in them keeping the information, they prevented people relaxing and kept people tuned into specifically those things about the news. So the people don't pay attention to the fact that this very same week Hunter Biden had to go on trial about the things in his laptop and the $5 million that potentially Biden took through his son.

Cristina: Nice.

Jack: Yeah. So the Chinese government, Hunter Biden specifically had a linked account that received $5 million after threatening messages saying, I'm sitting here with my father to an official, a Chinese official. I'm sitting here with my father after blackmailing the guy for a while. And so it's an associate from 2017 and associate from 2017. He wrote to this associate in 2017, and he was threatening the man, and the man, out of fear, sent him first $100,000 and then $5 million, adding to a total of $5.1 million. And that was essentially happening in a trial that was simultaneous with the events of the submersible. Now, if the information of the submersible had come out instantaneously after they knew two days later, everybody would have been fully aware of what's happening with Biden and his son Hunter. But because of needing to stretch this submersible as far as it can go, disaster that happened as far as you.

Cristina: Could possibly put it to the actual limit of, like, okay, now we stop. As soon as we think this.

Jack: As soon as there's literally no way to keep stretching.

Cristina: Yeah. Yes, that's it.

Jack: As soon as there's literally nothing else we can do to validly stretch this out longer, then we're obligated, and that's when we do it.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: But it ended up working out because at the end of the day, people weren't paying attention. Most people have no idea this even happened. So that's a little bit of sketchy going on there. And a lot of this information came out because of a IRS whistleblower that was fully aware of the transactions happening in Hunter Biden's laptop.

Cristina: So crazy.

Jack: So this is an FBI whistleblower, a CIA whistleblower.

Cristina: There's a lot of whistleblower blowers popping up.

Jack: IRS whistleblower, all three. That happened quite recent times. Yes, very strange. But people are wanting to tell the truth, so that's important.

Cristina: The one of the recent one with the UFOs, does this somehow relate to that?

Jack: Say that again.

Cristina: That recently, the whistleblower about the UFOs.

Jack: What? Whistleblower about the UFOs.

Cristina: The guys that came out because they saw UFOs and everything that we recently talked about. Like, does anyone care about that anymore? Is that what news?

Jack: I don't know. Everybody's obsessed with the submarine.

Cristina: Oh, okay. That was fast. That was fast. Okay.

Jack: We live in America. Nobody gives a s*** about anything here. Whatever's next and shiny, it's nothing but dumb people obsessed with whatever's new. But, yeah, so basically a lot of these documents were suppressed. And not only that, in the same amount of time, 47 million emails were given to the government from JP Morgan and from Jeffrey Epstein's direct email. Those were handed over to the government. Not the interesting part about that because everybody kind of figured that there was some stuff there. But really it's the, it's the fact that they deleted 47 million emails, 100% of them. So by accident. That's their excuse. By accident, the government got a hold of the 47 million email list from.

Cristina: Exactly what did you say?

Jack: JP Morgan and Epstein both had many, many, many interactions and people associated with them or in those emails as well as them and the activities they've done. Any kind of discussion relative to the idea. So 47 million emails, that is 100% of the emails were deleted by the United States government by accident, according to by accident. Which tells us a couple of things. Primarily that a bunch of. A bunch of American justice system officials must have been in on the island because it stopped being about getting the information out. Now 47 million emails route. Oh, oh no, no, no. Everything has to go. We can't look through it. That's too much. But somebody will look through it and then they'll find us. Get rid of all the evidence. This is the corruption of the FBI. The FBI is also now on trial for a continuous suppression of information surrounding the vaccines, surrounding everything. Yeah. Racial disparity, confiscated information, rigging elections. All of this is currently being discussed right now. And the FBI had everything to do with everything.

Cristina: Even before our time. They were doing things they shouldn't.

Jack: They've always been corrupt. They've always been corrupt. It is an institution that has had nothing but corruption and should definitely be torn apart.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: It is a broken, broken, broken, absurdly broken institution. It really is messed up. But as the FBI goes on trial, we still have what happening. This, the Titan submersible happening. The events of getting these people out. You kind of want the suppression to happen as much as possible. All of this is happening underneath that. 47 million emails deleted. Nobody knew why. Because they were worried about four billionaires and a child. Not even billionaires. Four explorers and a child. That again, nobody on that submersible was a billionaire. That's another narrative created by the same people were using the opportunity in any way. I knew that. I knew there was something off about saying they're billionaires. It was entirely about getting people focused on or our tax dollars are being wasted on getting these lose losers out of there. This random yes, not one of them is a billionaire. It was a clever distraction, but it was an Absolute necessity that I guess Biden needed in order to keep as few people's eyes on the fact that they're about to prove that your son took a bunch of f****** money.

Cristina: You're corrupt. That his son, his.

Jack: His drug addict son was just doing things that are to make a profit himself by helping his dad acquire five million dollars. This happened in two sessions. The hundred thousand and then the five million. I would argue that the hundred thousand was for Hunter and that the 5 million was for Biden. Two pieces. One guy got his drug money and the other one has his. I'm going to be not a president soon. Let me secure my safety. Except you didn't do it with the elegance that Obama did.

Cristina: Yes, because like no one know this.

Jack: Nobody noticed. Obama came in, set up everything to be rich for the rest of his life. Got out subtle. Everybody's fully. But also this is a like a corpse. It's not the clearest human.

Cristina: He trusted that guy. Did they say his password was like his name or something?

Jack: Yeah, it was so dumb. And he took it to like a regular corner store computer place to fix it.

Cristina: Like they would know who he is.

Jack: Yeah, like he didn't take his lap. I mean they didn't know who he is. But the fact it was like this isn't. You're not treating it like it's top secret s***. You're taking a important laptop to a random store and walking away from your really important laptop. Not that anybody knew what was happening in that store. They knew the h*** knows what Hunter Biden looks like, let's be real. But you dropped it off. Luckily they just fixed it. And then he left and retrieved his laptop. But that's still ridiculous that he would even do that outside the point. He probably got $100,000. His dad probably got $5 million. All of this was just a cover up for that fact. The fact that Hunter Biden is in fact a corrupt little s***. But coming back to the sounds that were happening in the submersible, the explosions. Well, the explosion only happened on the first day. Yeah, the explosion happened on the first day and then we have banging following. I'm dying to know from Wednesday. Why.

Cristina: I just want to know what could that be about with the banging sounds.

Jack: Yeah, probably something happening on the water. But interesting thing about the. I guess not even the banging sounds. More about the Titanic situation that's happening. The people go down to go look at the Titanic on a screen from inside of a submarine. I don't know. Again, I don't understand why they Send the remote control device, record it, bring it up, and then watch it on the screen. I'm not going to argue the logic of what they did. I'm still convinced they're not there when that implodes. Yeah, that's all part of the distraction, but whatever. So, emails deleted from Epstein's island being covered up by this. Going to look for the Titanic situation. Yeah, this is where the banging comes in because, oh, my God, there's banging on the water. Everybody gets souped. Oh, my God. Maybe they're still down there. We got somewhere to look around the exact same time that the emails and the laptops show up inside the court, and after the FBI thought they somehow buried that, it just shows up and the guy's like, oh, no, I got it, and we're submitting it to the court. It was very. It was very f****** important that at this very moment, people not be looking. This was so g****** crucial, because who the f*** was on that island? That's in the emails. Those emails. Kaploof disappeared. 47 million emails. They have the f****** laptop. Meaning.

Cristina: Wait, the laptop also has those emails? Or this is a different laptop.

Jack: They have the laptop from the FBI that has Epstein's emails in it. They've confiscate. Okay, so there's a couple of laptops. Yeah, they're out here confiscating laptops.

Cristina: Hunter Biden also has this in his laptop.

Jack: Like, no, they're out here confiscating laptops. There's a laptop from JP Morgan, there's one from Jeffrey Epstein, and there's one from Hunter Biden. Okay, the one from Hunter Biden was the transactions happening with the Chinese officials that gave him 100,000 and then $5 million. The laptop with the exchanges happening with Epstein between Epstein and JP Morgan. People on the island contain 47 million emails that have been passed back and forth between the people who visited his island. That means that he had names of people who have been to the island. But. But. And this is the most important part of what I'm saying relative to this s***. This was submitted with all the data to the court, and then the email disappeared. Let's be clear. Of course. Yes. The laptop with 47 million emails gets handed to the government, and the government says, Whoops, we deleted 47 million emails. Nobody in the government seems to be complaining about it, though. It's just, oh, it happened. We're sorry.

Cristina: Was everyone on that island like, what is happening? Why were we not invited?

Jack: Everybody must have been on that island.

Cristina: There is just too many Too many people.

Jack: If it's everybody's f****** the kids. As time goes forward, we find out if you've got power, you've been inside a child. I don't understand. Not only that, one of these politicians goes on record to discuss that they are literally making blood rituals with what's on the island. Children. And what does that mean? Adrenochrome. Except this guy says it by name. He says it by name?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He says adrenochrome by name. Says there are rituals happening on the island.

Cristina: That's something recent or that's the old news.

Jack: But he says that about the island. There are rituals happening with the children. Blood and trafficking and all. He literally says adrenochrome. This happens the day after the submersible disappears. Two days later. Now we're on Wednesday when we hear the banging. That guy has a heart attack and falls out his window.

Cristina: That happened that during that time.

Jack: That happened during that time. There's a heart attack and falls out his window. So this guy who's talking about the island and talking about rituals got too close to that fire because you're talking straight up s*** about the place and literally talking about what they're doing there. By chance, you happen to have a heart attack while just having a cigar out your window, and then you. You somehow stumbled, right? Quote, unquote, and then you fall a bunch of stories. Whoops. Whoops. I've smoked out this window a bunch of times. I guess I was nervous about what I said, and I just. My nerves got to me and I fell out of my.

Cristina: He had a heart attack.

Jack: Yeah, allegedly.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: What a chance. What are the odds? Also, he had just had a meeting with one of. With a senator. He had a meeting with the senator? No, no, no. He had a meeting with a senator in his apartment that very day. And then he has a heart attack while having a cigar, cigarette or something falls out the window.

Cristina: Whoa, Whoa. Adrenochrome. For some reason, I thought adrenochrome would pop up, but I didn't think. I though. I don't know what I thought. I didn't know how. I guess I knew it, but I didn't know what. Relative to Epstein about this whole submarine thing.

Jack: Yeah, Always, always, always.

Cristina: It always pops up. And like, I was like, no way. No way. But in the back of my mind, I was like, yeah, it's definitely because.

Jack: Why not? It's definitely always. Yes, 100%. It's always. It's always f****** adrenochrome.

Cristina: It's ch. Because I really didn't think so. I mean, I thought so, but I was like, but how?

Jack: Well, some dude talked about it and the situation with the submersible was used to cover up murdering that guy.

Cristina: Insane.

Jack: That was a really convenient moment. People are idiots. This is the same thing that happened when gender changed. Genders, bills and corruption and every. Well, again, the news cycle is a distraction tool and people are stupid. People will fall for whatever, dude. Anything gets put there and they create outrage. Oh my God. Jenners change gender. We're totally for it. We're totally against it. Chances are the people on both sides of that argument aren't even real people. They're just people paid to behave this way. Yes, 100%, because you got to create the division. That's why CNN and Fox argue all the time. But they're owned by the same grandparent company. What the f*** does that mean? That means the same people own the conflicting stations that are bipartisan. One is left, one is right.

Cristina: Ridiculous.

Jack: But they're owned by the same people. In theory, one person comes and pays and it's like, I need you to use your tools for my advantage. And now both of these opposing things can just create division in order to keep people focused. This could be done an infinite number of times for whatever. So Jeffrey Epstein changes his gender. CNN is for it, Fox is disrespected.

Cristina: So Jeffrey Epstein.

Jack: What'S the name? Bruce Jenner. Yeah, and then we have the insurrection happen, quote, insurrection, unquote. And then the. The right is totally for it and the right is totally not. But what happens there? We get bills pass. We get a bunch of crap pass in that time, in that distraction. So now we have something that isn't even politically driven. More like the, the. The gender situation where it's some other person who isn't political is nothing to do with politics.

Cristina: They're gonna blow it up.

Jack: Gonna blow it up and make it consume everything. Everything entirely. So again, division is importantly. Delete hundreds of millions of emails. Millions of emails. We totally bury what happened with Hunter Biden after it's publicly stated. But who's gonna see it?

Cristina: We're distracted by probably kill a few people. Like we know about that guy. But like who else was killed during this time?

Jack: Absurd. Yes, absurd. And again, the names of the people on the list of who was on the island of Jeffrey Epstein's island disappeared. Now we won't know. Now we won't know. They're safe. It's all just gone. Epstein got away with it. It's all gone. They Got away with it. It's all gone. There's nothing we could do. Disappeared. Poof. Gone.

Cristina: It doesn't even make sense. There has to be like someone on the island that actually knows.

Jack: Like there's no way that everybody knows. But what are they gonna do about it? Yeah, you're probably dead if you know. And if you're on the island, who knows you're on the island? You probably definitely disappeared. As soon as. As soon as the island was discovered and the program is done, a mass execution probably took place. Okay, just get rid of anybody who's gonna say some s***. Yeah, get rid of the children. Those kids are dead. We need f****** make all the adrenochrome get. F*** it. We don't. They're gonna find the kids. Yeah, we're gonna lose the opportunity. Make as much as you can right now.

Cristina: You think maybe they just not teleported. Transferred them somewhere else?

Jack: It's totally possible that happened with the cages in the United States when it came to the immigrants inside of cages, which is probably the same thing. Adrenochrome, some kind of fear driven thing. Separate the kids from the parents. Why do you need to do that? Throw them all in the same cages? No, separate the kids from the parents. And then you have the kids by themselves. Fear. But the parents didn't get moved. They were in regular penitentiaries. Where were the children? The children were in unique warehouse cages. And what happened when they were found? Disappeared. The cage disappeared with the children. They got moved somewhere. Where? How do we even have more places this size to put them? They just disappeared and they're somewhere else or they're absolutely gone because Adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yep. Okay. What?

Jack: Corruption.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Same time all of this is happening. Same time all of this is happening. Not only are we dealing with Hunter Biden in front of the Senate and Congress, but they're also voting as to whether we are now going to impeach President Biden.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Most people have no idea that was even happening. There was not even a f****** whisper about that. That was happening. At the same time the vote for impeaching Biden was happening underneath that too.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yep. All good. You could just google that. It's just there. It's on there. But nobody's gonna talk about it. It's just there. You can watch the video. There's cameras in there. You could watch it happen. But nobody was gonna talk about it because everybody was what focus on the submarine?

Cristina: So what happened though?

Jack: We don't know. We gotta find out what the Vote is. But again, this happened at that time. Weird. What a complicated mess. Not even all of it.

Cristina: Not even all of it.

Jack: Not even all of it. Oh, there's more. Because at that same time, it turns out that The Pentagon found 6 billion extra dollars that they had sent to Ukraine to help Zelensky continue his mass execution of Russians.

Cristina: Of course.

Jack: Okay, but of course we can't. Now people know Zelinsky is a maniac who's out there just executing anybody with guns or without. He doesn't care. He's. It's a revenge story now, so we.

Cristina: Have to cover that up.

Jack: So we got to cover up that we're gonna continue helping him because he can turn on us. And then what we gave we. Are we armed that guy so exaggeratedly gave him nuclear power. Why? And now we're in some weird corner where we're like, we can't go back on our word because then we're the liars. So we funded him some more, but.

Cristina: We also want him to get rid of.

Jack: Yeah, because we have an issue with that other gang. We kind of need those resources because that's kind of what we do. We make people fight each other and then we take their stuff. Yeah, that's our game. It's our game. All of this. All of this s*** happened just underneath a news cycle that was about four explorers and a kid who went missing in a submarine.

Cristina: That's so sad.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Man, that's. That is pretty crazy. I don't know what's worse. It's all pretty horrible. Okay. Horrible.

Jack: Now this is all the provable s***. This is all just provable conspiracy time.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The wife of the guy who owns the company that went down into the submarine is directly related to the Rothschild family, which also happens to be one of the families that owns most of the things that run Earth. Kind of like the same company that owns CNN and Fox. It happens to also own the rights to Walt Disney. That happens to also own the rights to a lot of streaming services, most television services, a bunch of major companies including Johnson and Johnson, which distributes vaccines. Just parent companies that own kind of everything.

Cristina: This is her getting rid of her husband. I don't understand.

Jack: Why would she be getting rid of her husband? No, it's a point. They have enough power to disappear if they wanted to. Oh, okay, that's where you went to, getting rid of her husband? No, obviously, she has the power to make people disappear. They can just vanish from the public eye forever if they want to. She has that kind of money. She has that kind of connection. She's direct descendant from that bloodline. She's part of the Rothschild family and.

Cristina: She just was helping them.

Jack: That's a conspiracy. That is the conspiracy that this was known. This is orchestrated intentionally, knowing a lot was going to happen. That's why so much was packed into such a short amount of time. It was intentional.

Cristina: So they.

Jack: If this was orchestrated.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that's why the explosion happened. Maybe preemptively or something. And they're like, oh, no, we can't talk about it. It was supposed to happen at the end of the timer or whatever. That's also why the timer's there, to kind of keep people looking. All of this well orchestrated to keep people's focus and attention. People's focus and attention away from the things that they shouldn't be seeing. And maybe nobody got hurt. Double opportunity. Talk to the Rothschild lady. Get everything organized, because they control even presidents. Get everything organized. Make these people disappear. Use that situation. They're not even dead. They're totally fine somewhere else. Use the situation as a way to distract from the big picture that's happening over here.

Cristina: But they wouldn't be going to her for help. It would be her family already coming up with all this plan.

Jack: Yes. Because they run everything.

Cristina: Because they run it. Yeah.

Jack: And it's about keeping as much piped down as possible so they can continue doing their secret Earth controlling bs with.

Cristina: Also a genochrome sprinkled on top.

Jack: Yes. Which is absolutely what the f*** the case is. Because Rothschild family is also connected to Epstein's island and Ipsy's island is not a pedophile ring. And human trafficking, although human trafficking is happening, is not about that, apparently. It seems that according to this senator or congressman or whoever the f*** that was, they got killed. He said blatantly and literally called it by name, that they are out there making rituals for Adrenochrome. So. Holy f***. Okay. Adrenochrome shows up everywhere. We have giant political scandals happening and we have a lot of suppression of information. And what shows up? Adrenochrome. Sounds about right. Bunch of filthy rich politicians, Something weird happening. Adrenochrome shows up. Fantastic. But the story gets weirder because again, we talked about all the facts. Now we're gonna get to where it gets weird. It hasn't gotten weird yet.

Cristina: But the adrenal problem's not weird.

Jack: Okay, that is nowhere near the weird part.

Cristina: Okay, what's the weird part?

Jack: Nowhere near the weird part. So the Titanic that was going to be seen, the ship that crashed many, many, many long time ago. So the Titanic was found in the 1980s. The Titanic was found in a very specific region of the ocean. North Atlantic. And in the North Atlantic, the American government had a long time ago, from the 60s, two submarines, they had nuclear weaponry equipped on them. The nuclear submarines both stopped functioning and sank to the bottom in an area really, really, really close to the Titanic. So yeah. So the guy who found the Titanic was actually funded by the United. This is fact. This is all fact. This is declassified. It used to be classified, but it's been declassified and there's even a document documentary about it. And this guy has been allowed to talk about it ever since. So the idea of keeping it a secret was so that the Russians wouldn't follow them down there. Well, they're just going to look for a ship. Not nuclear power.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay, you see, so two ships. One is called. Let me see if I could find the names of these things. One is called the Scorpion. The USS Scorpion. And the other one's called the USS Thrasher. Both equipped with extremely advanced technology and nuclear power. There were two missions he had to accomplish. This is not a military guy. He is a underwater explorer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But he's been funded by the United States government to do a secret mission.

Cristina: Secret. Wow, that's so crazy.

Jack: Two objectives. Find both vessels is objective number one. I guess technically it's three. So find both vessels, objective number one. Two, retrieve specific technology that exists inside Thrasher. And three, find out what the nuclear power that was aboard the ship is doing to the region. We have no conception and this is a great study moment so that we can use it in the future if something interesting is going on. That was the original goal. He solved all of that in three days and so have 12 days to go for the expedition where they told him. Now you can go to look at to the Titanic.

Cristina: What? Ta da. Because it wasn't that close to the.

Jack: Ted hat it wasn't like right next to it. But it's in the general area. It's in the general area of the Titanic. The general area where what happened? The submersible went down that general area.

Cristina: And how are they connected or they're not connected? Oh, the submersible.

Jack: The submersible is connected. And that they were going underwater to look at the Titanic.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This happened to be in the area where the Titanic was found and where these actual non Submersible. Yes, I mean technically submersible, but actual submarines with nuclear power there now still nowhere near the weird part. I know that's what you're waiting for. And you're so impatient, it kills me on the inside. But the guy was fully aware. It was not a surprise. He had the exact coordinates where to go to find these submarines, and the only thing he had to look for was the Titanic. That doesn't have technology that you can track.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The submarines, they knew exactly where they were. It was instant how he found that. We're talking about a pretty large region, but if we think of the size of the ocean, it's kind of minuscule.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And so he goes. This is. He finds the Titanic specifically in the north Atlantic about 12,000ft underneath the ocean. After he's acquired the mission complete notices for the submarines that were abandoned in the 60s because of XYZ reasons, he gets the information, he gets out of there. The region that is above that water just. Just so happens to be. Just so happens to be one of the three Atlantic spots that has an absurd amount of UAP sightings.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Just by mere chance. And we have. And let me elaborate why. Those two submarines that are underwater are very, very, very, very important. They're the only two vessels that they know where there are. Out of all the vessels that have disappeared in that region, there are many things that have gone missing right there. Weird, because it's not the Bermuda Triangle, and I've never heard about this before, but they were glad to tell us that there's s*** missing in that area.

Cristina: Was he afraid that he'd go missing?

Jack: He didn't know.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Why would they tell him that?

Cristina: I guess he could do the research. Unless there was not.

Jack: There was nothing that was not declassified. It was still classified when he was doing it. It was declassified after mission complete.

Cristina: Wonderful. Their backup plan would have been if he just disappeared, like, don't talk about it, I guess. Whoa.

Jack: Simple.

Cristina: Okay. So a bunch of. What was it you UAPs.

Jack: Yeah. So a bunch of UAP sightings happen in this area and have been happening in this area for seemingly as long as we have been exploring this area. Fascinating details. Two details about this are kind of very, very, very interesting. Reports from Navy ships. See, two things, one of which we've heard a million times. These ships seem to go in and out of the water okay, so effortlessly and without losing. This is. They're not hovering necessarily. Not just hanging out over it and disappear off. No. They go in and out of the water like that. Like. Nothing. Do not lose speed. Don't seem to. Nothing, Nothing. They're just in and out. Perfect. Many times they see many different ones. Some are just in the air. Some seem to be just underwater. But again, an area where they have seen them fully in and out of the water. Now, the second part of this we've never heard before. This is the first time I've ever heard this specific utterance happen, which is in on many different occasions. Glowing came from the water. This is initially what got them to want to go find these submersibles that were the only things they could track. There's other stuff down there, but they're like in this region, there is glowing. Aside from what we've seen, there is glowing happening coming from the water. Seems to be deep, deep, deep in the water, something radiating. Maybe it's nuclear things on top of their.

Cristina: At least telling the guy. Exploring.

Jack: Because no idea. If that's what they told the guy, there's no reason they would need to tell him anything about the. If it's glowing, why would he go down there? That means the water that he's entering is radioactive and he would die anyways. Why would they tell him that? They told him nothing. It makes sense that they would tell him nothing. He cannot know because he won't do it. Oh, why would you go underwater where there are alien sightings and there is glowing f****** water where you know factually there is nuclear weaponry underwater. Why would you go in. There's no reason. They did not tell him that. They will not tell him that. You wouldn't tell somebody. Look, there's a shark over there, and he's probably really hungry, hasn't eaten in a long time, and he's probably gonna kill you. But there's a treasure chest on the other side. You're probably a 1% chance gonna get there. No, you're gonna tell him there's a treasure chest over there. Can you go get it? And you get to keep 90% of what's in there. If you come back with it. You don't tell him about the shark on the off chance he actually gets it. You have to treasure. But you're not gonna be like, there's a f****** shark and you're definitely gonna die. He's gonna be like, f*** that treasure. I'm not gonna get the treasure.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So there's no chance in f***. That they told him anything. They didn't tell him anything. That's not gonna happen. They said nothing to him. But there's glowing in this region where the submersibles are again. This came out after the fact when he was done.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's how this came out. So we have glowing coming from the water, not the surface. The water itself isn't flowing. That was very, very clear. The water isn't what's glowing. There's something deep in the water that's glowing. Never have I heard of this before. This is the first. And we've looked into a lot of weird different things. The first time I've heard of these utter. That is just the water. Something deep within the water was glowing. Now UAPS are happening. We have glowing in the water. You cross reference where other UAPS have been seen. They are, you know, trans Terra and coming in and out of water effortlessly coming through the ground and stuff. And there's one other place that seems to have a very, very, very strong consistency with this.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And that is surrounding the Bermuda Triangle.

Cristina: So you're saying this is the area.

Jack: Surrounding the Bermuda Triangle has a lot of ships coming in and out of the water effortlessly. Nobody goes into the Bermuda Triangle. But the area surrounding it. Perfectly fine. But there's a lot of sightings in that area of things coming in and out of the water.

Cristina: Yes. Now we have a lot of weird stuff happening.

Jack: But we know why it's happening around the Bermuda Triangle. That's the obvious conclusion to make. We're talking about Atlanteans.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Fine. Totally fine. And UAPS in general are Atlanteans exploring different parts of the ocean. There's something way specific about it being in a concentrated area where technology continues to go missing.

Cristina: Stealing our technology that way.

Jack: They wouldn't need to steal our technology. They're significantly more advanced.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's also whatever the glow is. Most likely. But, but, but what this brings into question, and this is a question we've asked before. If these civilizations are so g****** old, why are they so self contained? Why are there so few of them? You can fit all of them in the Bermuda Triangle. Unless you can.

Cristina: And you have different spots.

Jack: And you have different spots. There's a capital and we know of the capital. But like any civilization, you spread out. And if you got the technology to continue spreading out underneath the water, why the would you come out of the water?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which you do. But not to go live.

Cristina: Interesting. That might not even be the largest spot that they live in.

Jack: Like the Bermuda Triangle is just the capital. Most likely it's the first place they went to. Because we can track that. Biblically speaking, we can track them going to the Bermuda Triangle. Biblically speaking. We can see statues, we can see paths leading down there. That's just the first place that does not mean the biggest, that does not mean the last. This gives us a bit of proof that we need it. They might be everywhere.

Cristina: They have to be everywhere. The ocean is so dangerous. Like, what if those big storms, though, have more to do with them than it does with how the world works?

Jack: Don't even know. Could be 100%. Could be. But the fact that we see UAPS everywhere on Earth now, we start to build a better image. So you did move from one place to another, but there's still people here. That's the most sacred place. That's probably like the. The Islamic building that people go and always pray in the direction of that. Like, it could be that to them, it's just the most important location. Either that or it would have been the Persian Gulf. But they moved everything from there to the Atlantic Ocean to the Bermuda Triangle. So this is a new home. This is the new first home that's going to spread out from this point.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we're seeing proof of that spread through these stories. Not through the stories in the North Atlantic. They're in the mid Atlantic. That's where the Triangle is. It's closer to the equator in the mid Atlantic. But in the North Atlantic is where we have the Titanic and where we have these submersibles, which are just three out of six. Well, actually the number was unspecified first. So before the 90s, this place was not visited again. Except for the guy who went there in the 80s.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The two submarines disappeared in the 60s. But those are the only two pieces that we talk about, the submarines. Because the only things we can track. They knew exactly where the submarines were. Yeah, Those weren't the only things gone. There's dozens of vessels that have disappeared in this region. This is essentially another Bermuda Triangle.

Cristina: Yes. Awesome.

Jack: This is another Bermuda Triangle in the North Atlantic. And things continue to go missing.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: So the submarines. All we can track. We know the submarines are near the Titanic. What a coincidence. What a f****** coincidence that almost a hundred years apart. I guess 50 years apart. Really about 50. Maybe like 70 years apart in the same spot.

Cristina: Because something weird is happening down there.

Jack: Something weird is happening down there. It's working at a different scale than we are.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Different time progression than we are. So to us, it looks like a really long time. But they're still there. They're still there. Fascinating. So we have Atlantean spreading out. They're somehow here for whatever reason, gathering these things, probably to continue to keep themselves a secret, taking technology. And this guy goes, he discovers the two things he goes and he finds a Titanic. Many years later, reports come out, we find out the truth. Whatever. Him going down there was the last Visit until the 90s. Following the 90s, they were like, okay, you know, he found things down there, whatever, and he had. There have been vessels returning straight to the Titanic. They haven't explored any other region. It seems passage to the Titanic has been permitted, maybe because the Titanic had no advanced technology on it, but so repeat visits are going on perfectly fine. On three separate occasions, starting in 1990 to the current day, a total of four vessels have traveled through there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Three submerged submarines and one ship, all of which have gone missing and haven't been reported publicly.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, it's just not something that made it to the news, but is out there. So I guess it's been reported publicly, but not through media. So four known vessels have entirely disappeared around the same region where the Titanic and the two, the Thrasher and the Scorpion submarines have gone missing. There have been three other submarines and one boat totally disappear in the same f******.

Cristina: There's other people that are coming and going and don't disappear.

Jack: They don't disappear, but these have. Yes, it seems that passage to the Titanic is fine. But it seems. And particularly the same guy has been going down every time. That's another weird detail about the story. The same guy goes on every expedition. Nobody else has gone down there without him. He's the. He's been on every expedition down there. So the argument is he has safe passage down there. He specifically has safe passage down there.

Cristina: Wait, you're like saying the aliens are letting people.

Jack: Yeah. Land.

Cristina: Like it's. They're choosing who can explore that side.

Jack: No, there's only one guy who has been repeatedly down there. And it's the same guy, okay, over and over. The same guy over and over. He's made 30 trips to the Titanic perfectly fine. He always comes back. Somehow, three submarines and a naval ship totally disappear. But he can absolutely just come in and out in s*****, low quality submarines. He could just do this over and over, perfectly fine. Nothing happens. Fully armed to the teeth, ships come through finish.

Cristina: Is it because his tech isn't as advanced?

Jack: Our tech isn't that advanced either. Our tech is nowhere near that advanced. Not even a little. But still, crap goes missing. Something weird about the sky. Or we are lying about our tech. One or the other. Something's going on.

Cristina: Something's weird about this guy. He was able to do it.

Jack: Well, he's dead now.

Cristina: But he's now dead. Yes, yes. So eventually still eventually, it still happens. He was gonna die there.

Jack: Well, what's most interesting about this story, because there's been a million trips on there. This is the only. Let's. I must say this very slowly because it gets really interesting and follows our original discoveries about this. This is the first time that the entire event was being publicized. It was on TV that they were going down there before they did it. It wasn't after the fact that it happened. It was already being discussed. And these guys are gonna go down there and a bunch of rich guys went on the thing. And interesting. This is the first time that it turned into a spectacle that people can tune in to watch a bunch of people go in the direction that they shouldn't be going. People that didn't want to be seen had somebody who had clean passage one. They decide, I'm gonna put this on tv. And then he dies.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now we got a whole different picture going on after it starts to go on tv. The guy who's had clean passage back and forth, he could bring anybody. They let him go there over and over. They trust this guy. But then he's like, I'm a prophet off of the TV part of this. And then. Okay, now you're done.

Cristina: Now he did.

Jack: Now he did. Weird and incredibly consistent. Incredibly consistent. Not even the weirdest part yet.

Cristina: How. Okay.

Jack: Because the weirdest part is the connection that we're failing to make out loud right now. That in the same breath, we finally have, factually, Atlanteans and Adrenochrome. We finally got a hold of a situation in which we know factually both coexist.

Cristina: Okay. But they don't seem to be related.

Jack: They don't seem to be related. We've just gotten close enough that the situations involved both of them. That's where we stand.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's how far this has gotten. For years, we have dug deep as h*** into Adrenochrome. And once we opened the alicorn door, it just spiraled straight at the Atlanteans and has not stopped since. Everything just became about them instantaneously. For the first time, we knew they were connected somehow. We just got way closer to that happening. We have Adrenochrome fact.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And Atlanteans fact.

Cristina: Simultaneously, they relate. Besides that, they were by chance. By chance. Just by chance.

Jack: By chance.

Cristina: So strange. That is so crazy. But doesn't mean anything.

Jack: It doesn't. We just don't know what. It doesn't. We just don't know what. Because one is entirely politically connected and the Other one is entirely about privacy. It seems that just by chance these two situations have crossed paths. That's it. It looks like by chance, a bunch of people who f*** with adrenochrome cross the people who have the alicorn. That's it. Let's say it by chance. Chances are, realistically, the submersible goes. The government has decided that we're gonna use the events, probably just the conversation. We're gonna make a giant spectacle of these people going down there and exploring. Maybe finding something awesome, maybe finding something great at the Titanic. Cool, bro, sure. Great. And we're gonna flood all the media stations with it. We're gonna use the Rothschild family to bend every, every, every media, every news media outlet that exists on f****** Earth and bend it all in the favor of talking just about these people going down there to explore this amazing ship and this great exploration of a bunch of people who is great. We're gonna air the crap out of it. We're gonna build, bury everything that's about to happen this week. We're going to orchestrate this to bury everything that's going to happen this week.

Cristina: So even if they stayed alive, you think we would have been focused?

Jack: Yeah, I think this was all planned. I think the implosion was unintentional. I think that wasn't part of the plan. That's why they didn't know what to do with the information. That's why it was. Oh, hold it. Because this happened sooner. Well, it was never supposed to happen. Or if it was supposed to happen, was supposed to happen later. Yeah, but we're like, we just got to deal with the situation as it is. Hold the data. Something went wrong. We don't know what went wrong. This was supposed to happen a 92 hours from now. 92 hours from now, they're supposed to die and we're good. Or at least we say they die. And we're all good because we flooded news media outlets with this bullshit. We got all our crap done, but the focus on putting cameras on this and talking about this. Somebody was like, this ain't happening. And so it happens earlier than it needs to. Because somebody was like, you're not doing this. You're not even doing this a little. Two hours in, it's a six hour trip. Two hours and they weren't even halfway there. Two hours and they're just done.

Cristina: You think that's the Atlantean?

Jack: That's the Atlanteans. You're not going to record us. You're not showing anybody where we are. We gave you passage a million times and now you're turning on us. You're done. End of story. So that happens. Then they're like, well, we're going to use this anyways. Let's twist the narrative. Instead of showing this amazing thing and finding something amazing on there or whatever the case might be. Well, they died. Let's get in, jump in ahead of time. Let's figure it out. And so it's about the death. Now the whole rich people thing. Bend. It's bending. It's bending. Bending it all late. Because it wasn't about billionaires first. The billionaire part happened after they were went missing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You can confirm that by looking at how they were being talked about beforehand and how they were being talked about afterwards. The words explorer were uttered many, many, many, many, many, many times before they got there. Billionaires entirely took over the conversation once.

Cristina: They got went missing.

Jack: After they went missing. That seems too specific. I think we have a picture here.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think they really went in. The idea was to use this as a distraction. Bury all the crap that's happening over there. It was supposed to be a Bruce Jenner situation. Nothing horrible. But create divisiveness that maybe. That maybe the sub. Because the submersible still has to be retracted. Oh, my God. They're using military technology to bring them up. And that's taxpayer dollars and. Oh, yeah, but the right exploration and the left. Yeah, but poverty and whether you create divisiveness anyways. And no, nobody gets hurt. These are people you need. These are important people. Important people. Some greatest explorers in the world. People you need for different things. And people connected to a family. That's important. They're not just gonna kill off their own important people. These are important people. And then it just backfires. So damage control. Damage control. Yeah. You're gonna bend this in our favor anyways. Because it was. We were gonna do that anyways.

Cristina: So with the banging, you think that was just to distract us from the first of sound.

Jack: Right? I forgot about the banging because the banging.

Cristina: They did that to distract us.

Jack: Or so the banging is a weird one. Right? So the banging happens to be specifically way, way, way zoned in as they kind of like focus on where it's coming from. It's particularly where the same maybe mile where the glow was coming from about 10 years prior.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That was not released immediately. And that those dots weren't connected. You got to connect those dots yourself. Looking at maps, finding out and all this stuff. So where Navy ships have passed before and they have seen the glow is precisely where the banging was coming from. It just so happens to be really, really, really f****** close to where the two submarines are on the Titanic are.

Cristina: Okay, so that's probably Atlantic. Really.

Jack: That's the Atlanteans doing their.

Cristina: Okay. Unrelated to the. What's going on with.

Jack: Unrelated to the politicians. They were hearing something. What's interesting about that when it comes to the news cycle is that they knew about the first thing. They shouldn't have said anything if they knew what this was. But they were actually confused themselves. They let it slip. It was part of the. Yeah, it could be. I don't know. At this point, like they're confused and like, you know, there's banging for 20 hours. It couldn't have been the ship. The ship happened, came and went in a second fraction of a second, just done disappeared, vaporize out of existence. But banging on Wednesday, that led all the way to Thursday. A 20 hour period of just consistent banging in a region where there was glowing. There's two submarines and a ship that we know for a fact on top of four vessels that have completely gone missing that we know of and are on record after the 90s and dozens of other ones that before the 90s went missing.

Cristina: What is happening?

Jack: Okay, well, we know what's happening. The Atlanteans are covering their a****. They usually do. Which tells us also that the Atlanteans are way spread out in the ocean. What we're seeing is a region that's probably really hot with Atlanteans, a focused group. A lot of them are there. So it's important to keep that. Now there's pockets, most likely. It seems like the Atlanteans most likely live life the way we do, except we do it on the surface and they do it underwater, where we have civilizations everywhere. We got people all the way in Africa and we got people all the way in Europe. And we got people. Yeah, fine. So they're also everywhere in depth. We just can't get to the end. That's all it is. Yeah, they go so deep we can't reach them. But they're not just in the Bermuda Triangle.

Cristina: Everywhere, everywhere. Have to be.

Jack: That's why we see them everywhere. That's why we see the Trans Environmental UAPs. Yes, it's Atlanteans. Everything points to that. Now we have the unique situation where we have adrenochrome crossing paths with the Atlanteans. That tells us one important weird thing. Humans use adrenochrome. It's a very Human thing. It's humans attempt to catch up while Atlanteans only use alicorn. We once had a situation where humans got a hold of alicorn, but that led to literal wars.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And miracles that led to many murders.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: We haven't heard of that for years. Since the 1700s. Well, actually the late 18th, the early 1800s, where the priests went up the mountain and saw some things they probably shouldn't have, or maybe they should have, but shouldn't have talked about it. Whatever.

Cristina: Whatever.

Jack: Whatever. This is. If they witnessed some things. But. Yeah, so it got weird. It was. Got interesting. And we have again, the one and only time we have come across narrative that gives us both adrenochrome and the Atlanteans. We've gotten close to something interesting, but.

Cristina: We'Re not there yet.

Jack: We're not there yet. We know they're connected somehow. Maybe. Hopefully.

Cristina: Maybe.

Jack: Well, we think they're gonna.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But it could just be that one is a version for humans and the other one's a version for Atlanteans. But I guess the oasis people, the Persian Gulf oasis people, because it just happened to be in Atlanta.

Cristina: Jesus. An Atlantean. And did he give us adrenochrome?

Jack: That is also something interesting.

Cristina: Right, but then how did he come upon it?

Jack: How did he stumble upon it? He might have been the first. He might have been the first person to experiment with adrenochrome.

Cristina: Sorry. Strange. I don't know. There's too much going on. There's too much. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. As I was doing this research, I was like, no, this can't be happening again. This doesn't end. It happens. Never ends.

Cristina: It never ends.

Jack: When it comes to the Atlanteans, it just keeps going. I don't like talking about them. It's too much. It's like when we're talking about Trump all the time, it's impossible to dodge adrenochrome. It's just like. It just floods it, bro. And adrenochrome seems to be everywhere. This time, somebody literally just screamed those words out, like, what the is going on?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But. Yeah, so that's the reality of the matter. Now, if you guys want to check out how we even landed at this freaking thing, there are so many, and they're all backed up back. It ain't even about jumping around. There's so many episodes about the Atlanteans, and it starts at Unicorn, so you could start there if you needed to be filled out. Now, when it comes to Adrenochrome problem. That's an issue. You got. You gotta look. There's a lot. There's so much. It's everywhere. The Catholic church, the United States government, secret societies, individual pocket groups, potential aliens coming out of.

Cristina: Not fictional creatures.

Jack: Oh, you're talking about creatures from the shadow realm. Everything, Everything. Everything. This is connected to everything. Some one manner. Wait does everything. Everything. All of the above. You guys can look at all of that, you can find all that stuff and you can tell us what you guys think, what you got. If you guys listen to all that and you make some connections that are amazing, come and tell us any detail, you know, share it with us. You can find us in all the socials that just kind of will pop pod. That's Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and Tik Tok.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, right. And review the show.

Jack: And word of mouth is very important. Tell everybody about the show and maybe somebody, you know, knows a couple of details that they can give us or point us in the right direction so we can keep digging into this.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening Sa.

Jack: Good morning.

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January 21, 2023

Rambling 210: Giving Ideas Power

January 21, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

How do things get their value? Where does power come from? How do you strip an idea of power? The duo discuss the tremendous power of ideas and how they can affect people and those around them when enough individuals give the idea power.

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Queen Elizabeth II
Power
Government
Money
Billionaires

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