Rambling 299: Dead CEOs and Chinese Drone

In the latest episode of our podcast, we delve into the absurdities that define our current reality, starting with a seemingly innocuous discussion about the medulla oblongata, a part of the brain that sounds as ridiculous as it is crucial. Hosts Jack and Cristina explore how language, particularly in the realm of science, can often be a reflection of deeper truths about the world around us. They break down the origins of scientific terminology, revealing how many terms are built from Latin roots that describe their functions, leading to a fascinating conversation about the elegance of scientific language. However, the episode takes a sharp turn as the hosts pivot to discuss a shocking recent event: the public shooting of a CEO. This incident serves as a springboard for a broader discussion about societal collapse, the rich versus the poor, and the growing unrest among the populace. Jack posits that this event is a reflection of a larger trend, suggesting that we are witnessing the first signs of a societal upheaval where the disenfranchised are taking matters into their own hands. The conversation reveals a deep-seated frustration with the systems that govern our lives, particularly those that profit off the suffering of others. As the episode progresses, the hosts touch on the themes of confusion and misinformation that permeate our media landscape. They discuss the role of government surveillance and the increasing presence of drones in our skies, questioning whether these are tools for safety or instruments of control. The hosts draw parallels between the chaos of recent events and the idea that we are living in an age where truth is often obscured by narratives crafted by those in power. Listeners are invited to reflect on the absurdity of our current reality, where the lines between truth and fiction are increasingly blurred. The episode encourages a critical examination of the information we consume and the societal structures that shape our understanding of the world. With humor and insight, Jack and Cristina guide their audience through the complexities of modern life, leaving them with more questions than answers—an invitation to engage in the ongoing conversation about our shared reality. Tune in to hear the full discussion and join the exploration of what it means to navigate an absurd world. You won't want to miss this thought-provoking episode that challenges the way we think about language, society, and the events that shape our lives.


+Episode Details

  • The CEO Assassination
  • Luigi: Hero or Villain?
  • Public Reaction to Violence Against the Elite
  • The Rise of Drones: Surveillance or Invasion?
  • The State of Society and the Apocalypse
  • The Role of Media in Shaping Perception

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Rambling 299: Dead CEOs and Chinese Drone Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised. Jack: Going live in 5, 4. Cristina: What does live mean? Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack. Cristina: And I'm your host, Cristina. Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas, which we will definitely do today. But we were just talking about the medubla oblongata and how it sounds ridiculous. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And so I was gonna go and do the most basic surface level. We're gonna trust Wikipedia right now. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And we're gonna see where it came from. The word the. Yeah. Why? It's. Why it's so dumb. Cristina: You think wiki's gonna tell us why it's so, though? Jack: I think so. I think they'll tell us about. Cristina: The word is from someone's name. That's why it's so dumb. Jack: Let's see, let's see. Does it tell us where the word came from? Okay, what if we go to a dictionary or some crap? Cristina: So you're leaving wiki? You just said you were gonna go to wiki. Jack: Then we can't trust wiki. Cristina: No, we can't trust wiki. Jack: Okay, based on how it sounds, where do you think it came from? Cristina: I don't know. Each piece probably means something. Jack: You're right, because. Yeah, yeah. It's not just a science word, but rather it's specifically a medical word. And medical words are built of descriptors that tell us what it means ultimately. Cristina: So I'm gonna guess that. And if it's not that, it's based on someone's name. Jack: Okay. Okay. Cristina: Those are my two guesses. I don't know if I have a third guess. Third guess is, I don't know someone like that name. They had the word first. They're like, what could I make this word mean? Has anyone done that before? You give it a meaning. Like if you had the word cat before you had the animal cat. And then you're like, okay, I'm going to call that thing cat. Jack: Interesting. Interesting. So you're. You're. You're questioning right now how we come across the original idea to name a thing? Cristina: Yes. Jack: Well, the only people we would need to defer to would be, I guess, an inventor. How does an inventor go about naming a thing that didn't exist before, that they have created? And I guess ultimately it comes from previous components that you're aware of. A good example would be the invention of the iPhone. Although it's not the invention of a phone, it's the invention of a computer phone. And he used parts he knew, like the word phone already, and merged it with things. So if we think of that as just the most exaggeratedly basic version of it. Cristina: Like microwave. Jack: Yes, exactly. And it's kind of telling you something about it in a manner, shape, or form. It's using what you already know about the concept. So. Cristina: So at the end of the day, that goes with the first thing guess of what. Why the word is the word. It's just, it's. It's parts. Jack: Yeah. So it breaks down into the following. The medulla means marrow or innermost part. And in. In anatomy, it refers to the central part of an organ or the structure. Medulla. Cristina: Okay. And the rest. Jack: And then oblongata, derived from oblongas, meaning elongated or oblong. And they're both Latin. Cristina: Okay, what's the first one again? Jack: Medulla. Cristina: No, I mean what it means. Jack: It means marrow or innermost part. Okay, so it's the innermost elongated brainstem. Cristina: Okay. And that's what it actually is. Jack: It literally translates to elongated marrow. Cristina: Okay, but that's what it means also, the word. Jack: Yes, the word means elongated marrow. And the brain stem is the elongated marrow and the. Or the elongated marrow part of the brain. Some. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And it's Latin. So it comes from Latin and it means that, so. No, you're totally right. It's just explain a word explaining itself. Yeah, it's just a word. I mean, in science that tends to happen. 00:05:00 Jack: And it makes science one of the most elegant and direct languages. Because even if you have no idea, if you've never heard the word before, you can at least piece the word together. The. The words meaning together just based on what it is, that or how the. Cristina: Word is written, how the word is. Jack: Right, yeah. What went into creating the word. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Is all you need to know what happens in science, what's happening, what that word means a lot of the time, not all the time. Some things are ridiculous. Think what simple concepts like dark and black is used just for anything unknown. And sometimes, I mean, the fun thing is they're not fun thing. But the clever thing is it's always minus the darks and the blacks that are concepts we usually don't know. We slap that on something that has a question mark. The dark side of the moon. Simply because we don't see it, so we're less familiar with it. A black hole. It's because we can't study it. We can't see the inside of a black hole. We can only see its effect on everything minus that Science is a literal language. So literal, a lot of the time they'll just be like, like, Just like that. It's like the elongated brainstem, basically, that's just straight out telling you what it is. Cristina: Why did you choose that word? Jack: I don't know why I said that word, but now we know it came from. It's Latin and it means elongated marrow, which is basically just discussing the part that it's from. Anyways, today we're going to speak about current events that I've wanted to talk about, but we kept getting interrupted. And we're definitely. Cristina: Anymore. Jack: They're not current anymore, but we're still going to talk about them. Nevertheless. People are desperate to know what it is I've been trying to talk about for the last several weeks, but we kept getting sidetracked. But in the time that we have been waiting to discuss that, two very interesting things that we're going to quickly run through happened. And I want to talk about them before we get to this news that I've been trying to talk about. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And the first of the things as is the CEO. Dude. What the. Cristina: I don't really know what happened. I know he died. And I know the person who killed him. His name? Luigi. Jack: Luigi. Well, it's unclear if Luigi act is the guy. Cristina: What? Jack: He's just the guy who got arrested. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: It's unclear if he's the guy who actually did it. Cristina: Oh. Jack: Although, maybe. But the story goes that this guy's mother has some illness and she watched her mother suffer. I don't know if she died. Maybe she did, maybe she didn't. His mother was suffering for a very long time, continuously getting turned down by that guy. I guess he got obsessed with the revenge scenario here. And one of the things that people digging around about the guy who got shot is that he runs the insurance company that turns down the most people. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And so, yeah, interesting, right? Plot thickens. And so this guy hunted him down and killed him in the middle of street one day. Cristina: What? Jack: Yep. The shot him. Cristina: Okay. Whoa. And then why is he a celebrity now? For that. Jack: Okay. That's where it becomes interesting. And where the darks of the world are taking an interesting turn and where a lot of the things that are happening on earth kind of start to click together. First of all, people are valuing this guy as a hero because he did what a lot of people would do or wish they could. Not what they would do. What a lot of people wish they could do is hit the people who control your lives back for making Your lives s***** and them profiting off of every bit of that. He took that into his hands and really did it. People were like, oh my God. Yes. And he didn't do it selfishly. He did it for his mother. He has. There's paper trail. They know that. What the reasoning is. Cristina: Crazy. Okay. Jack: Now weird chain reaction that's happened is other CEOs are horrified. They've removed their social medias and they have removed their images from their websites from online, from their company things or whatever. These people who love showing off how rich and powerful the are suddenly removing the. The fact that they're rich and powerful from the eyes of other people. Cristina: Yes. I feel like, I don't know if it was this or before this, that there was this meme with Elon Musk covering his body with babies. I don't know if it had to do with this though. Jack: Weird. Cristina: But like he's going to use his children to defend himself against any shooters or something. Jack: It's because after a CEO got shot, the very next image of him, like the very next time 00:10:00 Jack: you see him, he was just always his kid. Cristina: Who? Elon Musk. Jack: Oh, he had a kid with him ever since. Cristina: Oh, that's awful. Okay, yeah. Jack: Interesting. But this brings up an interesting point. And, and it reflects a lot that's going on. So what this is. And a lot of people are kind of noticing it and it's. It goes into people like worshiping this guy and being like this. Do it to the rest of them and all this crazy. It comes down to we just saw one of the first rich be eaten by the poor. And it happened in public for everybody to see and realize, wait a minute. That guy who s**** on everywhere we eat is just like us. He's not a God. A random guy did it. A ra. I'm a rat. You're a random. Wait, we're all random people. That's all it took. Why did I think of him as some other thing? This insurance company did it to my family. It's a weird domino effect. Cristina: So you think this is just the first. Jack: I think we just saw one of the first rich get eaten. And I think like all things, cracks show before the dam breaks. The flood always arrives and somebody always notices and nobody listens to that person screaming, okay. Until the flood arrives. Cristina: So you think, you definitely think this isn't going to be the last time. Jack: I think that we are entering some really horrible state in time where I do. I do believe it's apocalyptic. I've been saying this for a While. And I genuinely do believe we have maybe within a couple of years, 10, 20. Cristina: Think this is a result of that, or this is just proof. Jack: This is more of the ball getting ramped up. We're in the apocalypse. It's been happening for like 20 years. If we were to say, like, when the. When would we think it began? Some point. The last 20 years. The apocalypse began that moment. Not the biblical apocalypse. Although they could say whatever they want. Short lines up. If you think about. And you want it to. Cristina: Okay. Jack: But the end of times as we know it has in fact begun in a logical kind of way, in a measurable kind of way. We see nuclear powers everywhere, all on edge, looking at each other, all wondering which one of us is going to pounce and take the rest of them. Yeah, we're one world government is going to happen. Which one of us is going to be. And it's that tension. Everybody's armed. If somebody slips up, we all die. Cristina: Mm. Jack: So when it happens, it's going to be a clean sweep. And everybody thinks they're the one who's going to do it. They're the one who has it figured out. Somebody makes a wrong move, we all die. Cristina: Yes, but it's gonna happen soon. Jack: Yeah, exactly. It's either gonna. One dude is gonna do it right, or it's rap. It's the end. We're here. I think we're reaching the great filter that scientists speak of. This thing that, like, why don't we see civilizations in space? It should be filled with them. We should be in. We shouldn't be able to escape seeing them all the time. And it's because maybe life happens everywhere, but there's some thing, some hurdle that happens sociologically or scientifically or something that stops you from making it. Nuclear power is dangerous. We are all so armed enough that if we launched everything, we could clean out the Earth. We have enough, and we've got it aimed in enough of a spread that even the places we don't hit are gonna be covered off and everything is gonna be snowing an ice ball for a long time. It's f***** either way. Nukes drop, everybody goes. Cristina: Everybody goes. Jack: Everyone goes. There's no solution to it. Everyone goes. And. Yeah, no, that's crazy. It's. I do think we're in that. And if we assume in the last 20 years that ball got rolling, then the George Floyd riots that spread out across the world, they spread out across the world. It wasn't just the United States. It was a country started. Yeah. Any country with Black people that felt oppressed rose up. It was riots in places. Cristina: And are people going to be rioting or are they writing for this? No, I don't know. Jack: I know. Think about the thing that happened with the Capitol. Was it rushed? Was it not? Did people incited that they. Not the moment. So impactful. The world knows about it. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And it's this sort of 00:15:00 Jack: bubbling. It's slowly. The heat has been kind of. You see the water shaking, but it wasn't bubbles. And now we're seeing one here, one over there. Eventually that s***'s gonna boil, and that's when the s***'s hitting the fan. Right? And we're just seeing the first bubbles. This guy was the first bubble. It was the first crack on the. D*** it. We're seeing signs of whatever that first domino was. Either Trump getting elected, either the Twin Towers getting it. Either the first black president being chosen, either the queen dying. Something happened somewhere. Cristina: I think this is gonna be a new normal, horrible thing. Like the school shootings that keep happening. Jack: School shootings have happened within this time. It's not ex. Yeah, that's just that the school shootings is another part of it. We had rarities of one case here, then five years later, another case over there at some point. Three, four a year. Yeah, you just hear about it all the time. You're like, oh, yeah, another school shooting. Schools just have protocols now. They just teach your children. If a shooting happens, what you do, it's like, what the. How. How is that normal? Cristina: I don't know. But is this the next thing like that? Jack: It is. What? Cristina: Is this the next thing like that? Jack: I think there are a couple of things and this is one of them. Yeah, I think maybe not like that. I mean, I don't know. That's. Can you imagine if every other day. Cristina: But I think shooting and at the sea, some CEO. Jack: Yeah, well, I think not necessarily the shooting of a CEO, but there is a. Now that we talking about it. And it came to my mind and it has happened before. Not the shooting of the CEO. No, no, no. The mocking of the dead. Because it happened with the submarine. Those rich guys. That was the mentality everybody had, those rich guys. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And this happened again. And now. Yeah, that rich guy. It didn't. I didn't connect those two dots until this very moment. Cristina: But there is something there. Jack: There's something there. It's people like, yeah, see, that's the mentality. You can see people like, nah, it let it happen. Whatever them. It's like, d***, bro, that was Still a person, ultimately. But no. The mentality has shifted them. Let it happen. Let them all go through it. Whatever. I hope more go underwater and sink. And it's like, okay, you guys are getting going some dark place. Cristina: Mm. Jack: But it's not dark if it's normal. That's just where the people are. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You understand? That's the problem. Because if it's dark, other people are gonna be like, no, no, no, don't go there. The problem is everybody's in on it. It's not dark. Cristina: It's not dark. Jack: It's just where the people are. Dark is down from where you are. Everybody's in the same spot. That's just normal. That makes this normal. Everybody's on board. Every time it happens, everybody's on board. This is the second instance. Just as many people on board. Like, yeah, it. Okay, can't wait to hear about the next one. I mean, think about how messed up it is when they tried to hit the president. How many bastards online were like, well, next time, don't miss. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Think about how messed up that is. People are disconnected. They're down for it. Those are. Those are the cracks. We're seeing one here, one over there. They look unrelated. Oh, that kid was doing tricks against the d*** wall, and he was always hitting the same spot. He was there for months, always trying to land the same trick. Obviously, that's a crack from that. And that's crack over there is from when Mike hit it with the golf cart. He got it up here somehow. I don't know how he got it on the dam, but then he hit the wall, and that's why it's there. Unrelated cracks. There's nothing to worry about. That's happening with every instance. Oh, unrelated. No, this was the president, and he's. He is Hitler. Yeah, it's unrelated. That has nothing to do with it. Well, no, this guy's mom was going through the thing, and he was directly affected. That's unrelated. Jack: But is it. The reaction is the same every time. Is it unrelated? Maybe what's causing the moments is. Cristina: Yeah, but people's reaction. Jack: People's reaction isn't unrelated. That's just where we are. That's not unrelated. That's where we all are. Why? Weird. Interesting. Cristina: I don't know. Jack: And I think we're watching the dominoes fall. Very. Some mad metaphors. All the metaphors in the world. Is it a dam? Is it bubbling? Is it dominoes? Is it a snowball? Cristina: I don't know. It's the ending of Fight Club. Jack: Yes. Yes. We're watching Project Mayhem leave narrator's control, where he can't even realizing he's Tyler Durden. Tell the 00:20:00 Jack: guys, hey, guys, no, we can stop this. Look, I'm telling you to. And they were like, no, you told us that if. That if you tried to stop us. You're not you. You're some other you. It's like, oh, f***. I prepare for everything. This is totally out of my control. And, like, I think humanity is somewhere. I mean, dude, France has been in a war with itself. Cristina: This kind of makes sense because, like, if the government is secretly controlling everything, and then we're reacting this way because, like, we see that it's all fake anyway. Jack: That's the other problem. Oh, my God. Cristina: So why should we care? Jack: You bring up an interesting point. Because. Okay, I was just about to mentioning France right now. Right. With your point in mind. Well, that's what they show us. And why would they show us something they didn't want us to see? Cristina: If we know it's all fake, if the reactions these people are having aren't real, Especially the people telling the story, these journalists. Jack: It's all fake. So even. See, if I didn't see it myself, then the question would be somebody, maybe no CEO got hit. Maybe this is. This was the point of directing the mentality somebody is orchestrating. Somebody's out there with. With a little stick in a suit, standing over the planet, swinging his little stick and moving his hands around like we're an orchestra and we're slowly but surely being manipulated into states. There's a guy who's like, I want to be the only rich guy. I don't want to start having people eat rich people. Let's just make it normal water. The idea, though, is that then the. The concept here. Because everything is even the concept of the. Because they're not gonna show us things that are gonna make us think this. Either we broke through, which is possible. Social media is definitely a pain in the a** of people who liked lying. Or is it not? And that's also part of the illusion. Cristina: You think? Jack: No, maybe there can. I have entered states where I contemplate whether anything I've seen on the Internet was ever a real thing. How do we know? Even think about the concept of friends you've never met. Some people have messaged with individuals their whole lives that they've never heard their voice. How is that person real? Now, let's assume that what we know about the technology we have and our government held up always. Then 20 years ago, when The Internet began. That's just our introduction to it, because we know in the 60s, the Internet was created. Simple. But most people have no concept of this easel. Easy, easy to find. But most people are. Oh, the Internet began late 90s, early 2000s. Right. Assuming that's the logic, would they have equally by the beginning of us having the Internet, they have had all the tools already in place to control us and manipulate us. Since day one, it's always been there. It developed with that there. Obviously, if I wanted to message you because I've met you, there's also direct connection with the few people who are actually using the thing. Everybody else is spinning in the wheel, and nothing is real. Most of us are interacting with AI through AI for AI. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And I can still connect to you through the sea of AI and people around me are real. But we're all being manipulated by this one AI that's pretending to also be these other people who we've never seen, never met. And there's no way to do it. There's a few real people out there, but they would never want to. The fake ones would never want to really meet me. Oh, I can't because of this and blah, blah, blah. No, I'm living my life down there and whatever. Mm, interesting. So most of what you've always seen, forever, the entire time you've been interacting with the Internet, fake. The same way every newspaper that came out could have completely been fabricated stories meant to manipulate and sway your thought. You have no way of proving. No way of proving it. If the. Let's assume the newspaper was that the whole time. Maybe not the whole time. It was really about giving news. Little by little, power was taken from the newspaper somehow. Like a. Like a Facebook being influenced by the government and bending them somehow. Just like that, this happens. You have hands coming in from behind and slowly take over. And now newspaper is just propaganda machine. Fine, totally. But the Internet's about to come through. But wait with the newspaper company. And we sell bullshit for the government as the government is being built. Oh, they are paying us to make this thing where we're gonna give them, quote, news that the government can directly 00:25:00 Jack: modify however they want. We create templates, and they fill it in the blanks. Cristina: The government. Jack: The government or some. Or maybe tell us what to say. And maybe the whole time. And then Facebook comes in and, oh, Facebook is stealing our data. It's because somebody found out maybe it was doing it the whole time. It didn't start late. It was designed to do it. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: Somebody Found out. Oh, no. We're gonna change the thing. They just tightened security, so it's harder to find. Cristina: Definitely. Definitely. Yeah. Jack: You get my point, huh? So it was always lying to you. You were never looking at anything. It's all. Nothing is real. I've gone into that space of mind a couple of times, and it would make sense. Cristina: With the Internet or with everything? Jack: With everything. If not the newspaper, then maybe some medium before the newspaper was the bull. Maybe the town square screamer guy. Cristina: Him? Jack: Yeah, maybe. Every time he came out, the king is like, well, tell them this. It ain't true, but whatever, okay? And that guy becomes the news guy, and then that guy sells the newspaper and that guy tells you the news on, like, an anchor. And then the news anchor becomes the influencer. And, like, ultimately, all these people you've never met and never seen aren't people. You're being sold bullshit. Controlled by people who are paid to sell you bullshit. Cristina: See? Jack: And, oh, a CEO got shot. Never happened. We think it happens, and everybody around us thinks happens because we all see the same thing saying, I think it happens. And then we all repeat that it happens, and we all believe it, and we have no way to disprove it. Cristina: Okay? Jack: It happens somewhere away from me. How am I gonna go prove it? How are you gonna prove it? Anybody who's not and anybody who's there. Did you see it happen? Oh, no. It happened down there. You've never met somebody who saw it happen. You never meet anybody who saw it happen. It happened. You were showed it happened. It happened here. And this time. Oh, how weird. I was a block from there and I didn't see it. I didn't hear gunshots. Cristina: Crazy, okay? But if I did, if I had to actually do that every time I thought, like, I had to know the story was real. If I really was that obsessed, you don't think I'd be able to do it? You don't think I'd be able to find someone that saw something? Jack: You could find somebody who's told to tell you that. How do you know that's not the case? You know? Okay, that's my point. How do we know? But anyways, outside of the point, that's just a headspace I've gone into several times associated with things. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And if we assume everything the government does is, everything media companies do is they're just trying to sell more ads. Everything is manipulated. Manipulation of the public. Why would this be the moment that decided to tell us the truth? That would literally put them, the controllers, in Ninja. Either we broke through, there's a puppet master somewhere, or I mean, I guess that's pretty much it. I would broke through, there's a puppet master somewhere. Cristina: This isn't true. Jack: Or this isn't true. Cristina: It's probably not true. I don't know. Jack: If there's a puppet master, it's not true. Cristina: If it is a puppet master, it's not true. Jack: Yeah, we're being manipulated into thinking it is. Well, so that then we revolt against rich people or something for somebody else's benefit somehow. Cristina: I don't know what the benefit is. I guess if the person that is fake dying could be just trying to hide. Jack: Interesting point. Cristina: Or just I'm tired of this life, let's go live a different life. So what's the best way to do it? Jack: CEO dies in public. Cristina: So then now he's no longer CEO. Now he's playing baker at some country somewhere else. I don't know. Jack: Interesting. Interesting. Cristina: Like death doesn't really have to mean death either. Jack: But then this goes actual back to the. The puppet master scenario. Somebody didn't actually die there. So what was the public. You didn't. You could just pay paperwork to say you died. Cristina: Want to make a big show about it? Well, because a lot of people know the CEO, I guess he needs to get. Make people he knows believe he said, yeah, it's not for us. Jack: Interesting. You think he got into some hot water? Yeah, maybe he's in some s***. Cristina: This is the way actual people with money have to get rid of the life that they're not happy with. They got the money for it. Jack: Got the money for it. An absurd amount of money. He could become anybody who wants. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Live the rest of his life perfectly fine. Interesting. So your argument is in a Black Flag event didn't happen. It was just a cover up. Cristina: Cover up? It could be a cover up. Jack: One big cover up. Cristina: I don't know. It all sounds insane, but like, how would you know? Jack: All of it sounds pretty crazy. Yes. I don't know. I don't know. The problem is nothing is provable. 00:30:00 Jack: Right? Cristina: But then what happened to this person? Luigi. Jack: Okay, so following the attempt, I guess the success. Following the success of this, other than people cheering him on, CEOs panicking. The cops went and hunted down a guy. They got some tips and they found him just sitting there at a coffee shop or something. A lady. An employee? No. Was it an employee? Yeah, I think it was an employee or a lady sitting there who was like, crap, I'll call and get in on it. Or whatever. But they're not getting the money anyways, apparently, because they called the cops, not the people who they were supposed to send the tip to. Cristina: What? Okay, someone's trying to make money. Jack: Yeah, they only did it for the money, so now they're a rat and everybody knows it. Cristina: Oh, my God. Jack: Also, they got doxed. Cristina: Oh, my God. Jack: That lady's information is all over the Internet. Cristina: Okay, so. But no, I don't want to care about here is crazy. Jack: What becomes interesting. They find a guy. The hoodie first. The problem is, I can't jump to what happened to the guy because in order to throw the cops off, thousands, hundreds of thousands of people just started dressing exactly the same to just make it exceptionally difficult. There are people just wearing the same green hoodie and, like, gray sweater or whatever the h*** he was wearing in the video. People just started dressing like that, either in honor of him or to throw the cops off. Regardless, the cops were very confused. There was too many people fitting exactly the same identity for days. Cristina: But then what happened, though? So they do get him. Jack: No, they get a guy. That's the. That's where the. That's why it's important that I say that. Cristina: Oh. Jack: Because the guy they caught, some dude called Luigi. People have broken down the video of the guy who did it. Now, I believe Luigi said he did do it, but people were like, that dude's kind of taking the fall for Luigi at this point. Because, I mean, Luigi's taking the fall for the guy who did it. These are two different heroes. Is the idea that people have. I've stumbled upon this thought a couple of times because the people dissecting the video where he shot the CEO have seen the mug shot and compared every single note. The guy you arrested did not suddenly grow a unibrow over the last two days versus the guy who shot, who was not. Cristina: There's a video of this, too. Jack: Hella breakdowns. People showing them. People are calling Luigi a hero because he's not letting the mystery shooter get caught. Now, again, I don't know if this is the actual truth. This is just the Internet's impression. And this hasn't been confirmed by any authority figure. This is people. But also the people who are least going to tell you the truth are the authority figures. And the experts are usually the people. Now, there's this theory, a psychology theory that's a very pronounced sociological effect. Weird phenomenon where individually people are stupid, but collectively they tend to be right with astounding precision. This is easy to prove as a test with A jar of marbles, A random number of marbles. You give people the same jar, different groups of people. Everybody's gonna be very wrong about how many marbles are in the jar when they guess. But collectively, they're gonna be almost on the mark. Cristina: When you, like, average out the number. Jack: Yeah, when you average out the numbers, they. They're always right. They're, like, within margins. I've seen the test on, like, YouTube. Get to. There'll be, like, 10,000 people, and they're within, like, 50 marbles of the right number, and there'll be, like, hundreds of thousands of marbles in the thing or whatever the h***. Just crazy numbers and the likes get there real with crazy precision. It never fails. This is why voting systems tend to really reflect what the people really think, because individually, everybody's stupid, but collectively, our thoughts mix into one cohesive thing. Cristina: Okay? Jack: And I think the people might be. Cristina: Right, but he's not the guy. Jack: He's not the guy. I think he's not the guy. I think this guy's just taking the fall. I think he's one of the many people who are like, you. Rock on, and you should be free because you did what we wish we had the guts to do. You're the hero, and we're the followers now. Cristina: But is there really a guy? Jack: There's a shooter, and there is a dead CEO, and there's a dude named Luigi, and he doesn't fit any of the characteristics. And the outfit he was seen while he was getting arrested with, which a bunch of people recorded, does not look like the same hoodie or 00:35:00 Jack: the same sweater. Cristina: He looked like the same. Jack: No, they were both green. It was. This is a green hoodie, like the guy in the video, and a sweater that was gray like the one in the video. But they were breaking down. This is the guy dressing like the dude and then claiming he's the dude. Because the dude in the videos hoodie has this cut. And you could see there, somebody pointed at a little pocket that he had here that this guy you arrested who's wearing the thing, doesn't have. And the. The unibrow that the guy in the video doesn't have, but the guy you arrested does. And somebody's pointing out the shape of his head. This guy looks kind of like a white guy. The guy you arrested is not. So a bunch of those going on, and it's like, man, the average here is. People are saying that dude isn't the guy. And then when you look at it, you're like, I mean, crap, you'd have to stretch it to say he is. Cristina: Okay, but so far he is. Jack: So far he is. According to authorities. Got him. Well, don't do it again. You're gonna easily get caught. Cristina: That's the end of that. Jack: That's the end of that. You see the problem? That's what they want us to think. Don't do it again. You will catch you easy. We're good people. Over 72% of all murders in the United States go unsolved. This statistic is provable. It's not something people should know. But. But just for your knowledge, that is a fact, you can Google this. Cristina: Murders go on. Jack: Most over 72% on average go unsolved. Most crime is unsolved. You have a group of people working on it. That is true. Most things go unsolved. We only report the ones we do. Think about that and look at your local statistics. You don't have to take my word for this. Now apply that logic and tell me they got the right guy. And they're not just saying that. Cristina: They always say they have the right guy. Jack: They always say they have the right guy. Cristina: We have to assume that they're wrong. They've always lied. Jack: They do that so you don't panic and decide. Or not panic. They do that because they're panicked. They don't. If they don't catch the guy, the next dude is gonna say, wait, he did it and got away with it. Cristina: And most likely we all did get away with it. Jack: Many, many, many. Most. Statistically speaking, seven. More than seven out of ten. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: More than seven out of ten got away every time. Cristina: But they're not gonna show us that. Jack: They're never gonna show us that more than 7 out of 10 get away every time. Cristina: So then the guy that they're showing us has to be alive, Statistically speaking at least. Yes. Jack: If we caught the guy who tried, the president. Two of them. Cristina: They can't be. Jack: You're not telling me that this guy is also you? Just all super mega agents, get the f*** out of here. No, nah, nah. You guys can't solve crap when it matters. You're solving this random s***. Yeah, for a CEO, dude. Nah, you don't believe it. You're trying to sell some, like, mountainous s***. All the other CEOs threw a bunch of money at this problem and they're like, he got caught. We don't give a f***. He got caught. Somebody put somebody and say he got f****** caught. Somebody's going to jail. They're not going to Be out there thinking he got out because then who the one of us is next. Get the f*** out of here. And that's where they all at right now. There's statistics. I'm not saying that's him. I'm not saying that's not. I'm offering you data, factual data. Nobody has to believe me on s*** right now. Go look online. Go look at your local statistics and you tell me I'm bullshitting. Most mergers go unsolved now. You don't even have to. You assume he's in that 30% that does get caught. Right? Or not he's in. Assume that the 30% plays out and that somehow. Now you go and look at the two pieces of evidence is all you need to do. You don't need to take my word for s***. Think everybody's crazy. Do start there. F*** it. Cristina: What? Jack: And you just go and look at the video. It's public as f***. Of the assassination. And look at the guy. Pause it. You could zoom in. And then you look at the guy they arrested. Do this at home. Pause the show. Cristina: Can we pause the show to do this? Jack: You want to look at it? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: All right. Okay. Okay. We looked. We couldn't find. How do I put it? Cristina: I found his brother Mario crying. Jack: Great. We. I. I found the video, but it's unclear whether the video was removed by the user or if the video was actually wasn't removed by the user because he could have just blocked it. It goes to the error page where it says the video couldn't be played. So the video is experiencing some playback issues. 00:40:00 Jack: Interesting. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Now, in looking for this, I have confirmed something weirder yet, which I don't know where I stand on because the sources include ABC News, cnn, USA Today, CBS, and fox. But this is very confusing because it's kind of getting to that. Some event happened recently where we didn't know what was true. And we were like, this is probably the point. They want us confused. This guy was not insured by the company at all. At least the guy they arrested has zero connection to the United Health Care. Cristina: He. Jack: His parents were not insured by that company. His mom was not insured by that company. I think he lied. But what's complicated about this is the guy who got arrested was found with a notebook. Well, he wasn't found with a notebook, but in his home there was a notebook that was essentially tracing the CEO's footsteps. So it's the guy, but the story's a lie. Cristina: Okay. He's stalking this guy. Jack: He's been Stalking the CEO that he killed. He was planning to kill the guy. Cristina: For a while, but there's no real reason of why he did it. Jack: The reason he gave is a lie. Cristina: Okay? Jack: Because he was not insured by that. And a guy doing the thorough work he had, he would have known that's not the guy. So he told a story, although it's the story we're going with. But he wasn't insured by United Healthcare at all. Again, it looks like the intent here is confusion because that's too conflicting. I wish I remember what the recent thing that happened that was kind of like this was where it looked like the intention was confusion. Like, who's the bad guy here? Cristina: I think it was the dead bodies. Not the dead bodies. The mysterious crates. Crates on boats that were going somewhere that could have been bodies. Like there was always stories about something happening. But I don't think they found the bodies. They're just like something weird's happening. Jack: I think also covet as well the amount of like contradictory. But I think that was a cover up. I think they were trying to cover that up and because it was slow. Cristina: How many things are just cover ups? Jack: I think a lot of things are cover ups because his government up here and there's. Cristina: Okay, is this a cover up? Jack: I don't know if this is a cover up. I don't know. I don't know what the h*** I just read. This is crazy. I don't know. Then what the. Did he shoot the guy for what the? Cristina: Because he. See, he's a CEO, so you pick. Jack: Why he just tracked this guy at random and like this one out of a hat. Cristina: Yeah, we don't know. Jack: Yeah, it's not. It's weird. It's definitely strange. Luigi Mangione was not insured by United Health Care. Cristina: That's why he did it. Because he's not insured from them. I don't know. Jack: Which means it couldn't be denied by an insurance company that he was not involved with. Yeah, no, it's just a weird, like. I don't know. Anyways. Anyways, that's one of the two informations. Interesting. Cristina: I don't know if we learned anything. Jack: No, we didn't learn anything. But I just wanted to talk about that real quick. The second thing we got to talk about really quick, which is we didn't ground it, though. Cristina: We ungrounded. Jack: We were. We were. We were grounding it. And then I read that part. Yeah, Yeah. I got more informed and it stopped being grounded the moment it flew away. I mean, how do we. We were so close, too. I think. Think, like, oh, man. I don't know. How do we make this make sense? There's some information missing here. Cristina: I don't know. Jack: We'll probably return to it. We'll come back another day. We'll see what we. What we learn in a week. Cristina: Okay. Jack: The second piece of information is the aliens. Cristina: Aliens everywhere. Jack: Everywhere. Cristina: Always. Jack: All the time. Cristina: All the time. That's weird. Jack: Yep. Cristina: But they're not aliens. They're just droids. They just say droids. Drones and drones. Yeah, that's drones. Jack: Chinese drones. Cristina: Are they Chinese drones? Jack: I don't know. We'll say whatever the h*** is Chinese. I don't know. The government told us it's Chinese. There's the news. Or somebody told us it's Chinese. How do we believe it? Cristina: Does it look Chinese? Jack: How would we know what a Chinese drone looks like? Cristina: Does it just look like a normal drone? 00:45:00 Cristina: I try to look at videos. It just. It? Yeah, I guess. I don't know. Jack: Drones got, like, a general look. It doesn't look like any other drone. Cristina: But they're trying to make it look like a ufo, too. Like it's a drone. But it's round. Jack: Yes. Okay, so they've been seen all over the country. Primarily in New Jersey. Weird. Cristina: Weird. Weird New Jersey. Jack: Weird New Jersey. Always attracting the aliens. Always attracting the ghosts. Cristina: They're here for the big fit. Jack: The big fit. Cristina: The Bigfoot. The Bigfoot that's here. Jack: Maybe they're just here for, you know, the Jersey Devil. Cristina: We also have that, so. Jack: You know what's funny? You know what's the funniest part about this? They are hanging out in this area. They're in the area where Clinton Road is. I didn't even think about this. They are hanging out. Out here. What the h***? There's no escaping that place. Cristina: This place is supernatural. Okay? Jack: Yeah, there's something weird here, and they're. Cristina: Just checking that out. Jack: Especially as something like something's happening with humans right now. Cristina: But if they. Dish, you found the drone. Jack: It's not alien, robot. It's It. It. If it is an alien drone, then they didn't send a fleshy meat sack inside of it. Cristina: Why would they do that? Jack: It's just not. Yeah, it's dumb. It's just technology floating around. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Now, we shot it down looking at that video. It's just technology. Normal. It didn't look alien or foreign. It's just technology. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Okay. So that's what it looks like. Cristina: That's what it Is somewhat like a plane. Jack: Looks somewhat like a plane. Looks like a government drone. Cristina: And what does that mean? What does it mean? If it's just a government drone, why are they in New Jersey? Jack: That explains why our government immediately blames China. Cristina: China sent their government drones here. Jack: No, it's because it's the easiest, quickest, fastest, immediate go to response anytime our government does anything themselves. Cristina: So you think they're doing something and they're covering it up by blaming China. Jack: We can't prove them wrong. Cristina: They really shouldn't do that because then it makes it sound like maybe China has control of our drones. And that's even. That's. That's the fear. Why are they trying to spread that fear? But I don't think they're trying to spread that fear. But now that's the fear. Jack: Anytime we don't like something, they blame China as to build some sort of enemy with them. Cristina: But like, if that were the truth, that's pretty horrible because it's clearly our. Ours. It's us. Jack: Well, no, all drones across the world that are usually military drones look the same. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: It's not just ours drones. Cristina: It may not. Jack: There's different kinds of drones. The ones that look like floating saucers are more sports drones that they got four propellers and can do all kind of weird acrobatics. Military drones tend to just be planes that can do direct strikes. Cristina: And you think it's someone else's. You don't think it's ours? Jack: I didn't say either. I think our government is saying it's China. And like, I don't trust our government. It's full of. And it's probably our governments. Cristina: If it's our. Whether either way is kind of bad because it's a lot. It's not like one. They're sending one. It's a bunch. Jack: We're seeing mass observation. If it is our government, then they are creating mass observation for indefinite surveillance of the whole population. They are testing out the military state. Cristina: And that's kind of crazy. Yeah. And everything I read, like, I couldn't read about us shooting one down, even though that one looks like it was shot down. But there's a bunch of articles saying don't shoot them down. Jack: Yeah, interesting point. Cristina: They're saying not to, like. Yeah, I guess that makes sense. If those are your things, you don't want people to be shooting them down. Like so. Jack: Yes. Interesting. Interesting fact. They are telling. I mean, of course, if it's theirs. Cristina: Yeah. But like, why? What if they've lost control of their own drones. Jack: That'd be crazy. Cristina: Like, would they tell us that? Jack: Why would your drones come to New Jersey? Cristina: I don't know. But because, yeah, that. That shows that they truly don't have any. Jack: Look at. There's no strategic advantage to coming over here. Nobody in New York is like, we saw drones. Cristina: No, but I. I think they're spreading. I think some people are seeing them. Jack: In PA and in Maryland. Cristina: Yeah. So it is spreading. Jack: Interesting. Cristina: Why started here? I don't know. Jack: I mean, government surveillance is weird. That is definitely one answer. Yeah, it is a possibility. Government surveillance, which. Oh, my God. Cristina: This might be black. 00:50:00 Cristina: Mira. We might have lost them. Jack: We could have lost them. Or no, it's intentional. Is it coincidence that the CEO thing happens and the President's attempt happened and that we mocked the people in the submarine and we're at a day and age when the rich and the powerful are trying to legislate moderation of the Internet and control and censorship. And then, then drones start showing up, watching people and things kind of. When you look at all the parts, it looks like the people are getting out of control. Initiate the protocol to take control of everything. Cristina: But as far as we can tell, they're not really doing anything. Jack: It would be slow. You can't do anything quickly. Remember Hitler's teachings. Why? A wise man once said, it's more effective to gradually change the rules than it is to make one mass big sweep. You do annoying small things that. So you take the big problem, you take the giant rule you don't want them to freak out about, and you break it into all the separate parts that make that rule up, and then you just little by little, change those to the other side. They're not going to see the bigger picture. You made it about the little thing. And they're going to react a little thing and react a little thing. But then it's nuanced and boring and stupid, and it doesn't really affect them in any big way. Cristina: So you think there's more steps to this? Jack: I think there's a thousand steps. And I think everything is unrelated looking and small and nuanced. Cristina: Part of the apocalypse, Part of the. Jack: Apocalypse, Part of as we know it, it's ending. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: I don't know what's going on. It is crazy. And. And again, it would fit the picture right? It's. It wouldn't make this a separate set of news from the CEO being shot. It would make it an inevitable result of people in power hitting panic in the last couple of Months or years. And initiating all sorts of things to assure their own safety against who they deem to be the peasants, which would be. These drones are created by the rich and powerful to watch all the people and make sure that they are safe. Cristina: But why start in New Jersey is really funny. Jack: That would make the most sense if that was the case. Where do all the rich people go? The ones who don't want to be. Cristina: In the public eye saying they're in New Jersey? Jack: Montclair, New Jersey. West Orange, New Jersey. It's close enough to New York that they can still accomplish all their money needs and get home within the hour. Cristina: Okay. What? I don't know. There's too much going on. It's definitely not aliens. Jack: At least it's definitely not aliens. Based on the information we have, the thing surrounding it. It's humans. And quite possibly it's our own government drones. It's not even, like, advanced technology. The one shot down looks kind of standard. It's just military grade, which is problematic, don't get me wrong. Yeah, that's bad. Yeah, but. And the fact that our government is like, don't shoot that. Definitely foreign military technology down. What? What? So we're just. You're telling us it's China. What's the alternative here? We're China's now, and you're just not saying it out loud. Yeah, I doubt that. You say that the bad guy too often. Let's shoot him down, everybody. Shoot him down, everybody. Cristina: If that is China, then China won and now they control us. Yeah, like, is that the conclusion? Like, I guess China rules. Jack: I guess. Cristina: I don't know. Jack: They won the race to the one world government. Cristina: I guess. So, like, this is the start of that. Jack: Nah, that. Shoot him down. Don't listen to anything anybody tells you. If it's not your drone flying over your property, shoot it down. Doesn't matter how big it is. Shoot it down. Cristina: You might get hurt. Jack: Huh? Cristina: Now you might get hurt. Jack: No, get out of its way. You shoot it down in the opposite direction of where you are. You watch it. Oh, it's in front of me and it's coming my way. Okay. I'll wait until it's directly over me and shoot it. It's gonna fall somewhere to the other side. Cristina: Mm. Okay. Jack: Don't get hurt. Just shoot it down. Shoot him down. F*** that. Don't listen to anybody who's like, no, they're alien. They're foreign technology by our enemies. Also. Let it doing. Nah, f*** that. If it's foreign technology, that's spying on you, Shoot it down. If it's your government lying to you, shoot it down. There's no reason they could come up with for you to not shoot it down. That's justifiable and logical. They're gonna try to gaslight you. I swear to God they're going to. Don't listen to them. This sounds like a load of s***. It doesn't matter which side they try to flip it. 00:55:00 Jack: It's just a bunch of. Shoot it down. Don't hurt anybody. Don't go do what some of these maniacs is. Yeah. Cristina: Didn't you say someone got hurt or something? Someone died. Jack: Oh, yeah. No, fair enough. Somebody got. Yeah, they did shoot it down and hit somebody on the highway. Cristina: Yeah. So that's probably the reason they're telling people not to shoot it down. Jack: Fair. Fair. Cristina: It was big enough to kill someone. Jack: Shoot them down in the woods. Make sure it's flying in the direction that there aren't people. There you go. Shoot those down. Now. If they start to strategically plan their flights in the direction of people because they. They take note of this, then. Then whatever. Consider your safety over everybody else's and do what you got to do. They gotta come down. They're spying on us. Cristina: They're spying on us. Jack: If it's the enemy. Enemy spying on you if it's home. Well, home is the enemy now. And they're spying on you. Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty bad either way. Jack: It's pretty bad either way. If it's aliens, they're spying on you and like, they're. Cristina: I don't know. Jack: I mean, I don't know what you could do. Cristina: It doesn't really. You can't. Like, even if you shoot it down, then it's not gonna accomplish. Jack: No. Another one will be replaced probably. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Quickly. They won't care. They could cross space. They probably got infinite numbers of those things. Cristina: Yeah. It's already too late. If it's aliens, it's too late. So it doesn't matter, I guess. Jack: Yeah, that's legit. If it's aliens, it's too late. There's nothing we can do about that. Cristina: Yeah, but if it's not, Just shoot it down safely. Safely. Jack: Safely shoot it down. Try to avoid people getting harmed. Cristina: But. Jack: But on the. On the offside. This isn't foreign or from home. What, it's just a plane. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: On the flip side, maybe the guy only shot the wrong drone. And that's not. Because if you look at some of the other videos and images, it kind of looks Like a weird alien craft, like a flying saucer or some s***. Cristina: So you think the government threw the up their drones around the area where the alien drones are, and that's why they don't want you to shoot any drones because you might destroy the government's drones that are. Jack: Maybe they're trying to study. What the h***? Interesting point. Cristina: There's some weird drone war happening right now, and they don't want us involved in it. Look, so it's easier just to say it's China, but leave it alone. Jack: When you look up, you're gonna see either the stars or drones, and they're gonna be at war. So while this Star wars is happening. Cristina: Horrible. Okay? Jack: And it's a Clone War that's happening. Don't shoot anything down. Let that Star Wars Clone wars happen. Can you imagine if I could do that indefinitely with random topics and just speak in titles? Cristina: Titles. That's horrible. That's horrible. And I hate it. I think everyone else hates it too. Jack: If you didn't know the reference, it would be fine. It's only if you knew the reference that you're like, you clearly like. Cristina: But then once you add Clone wars, it doesn't really make sense anymore. Jack: Why? That's the name of the movie. Star Wars Clone. Cristina: No, but, like, what does this relate. Where's the clone in this? Jack: Oh, crap. You're right. Cristina: It should actually connect to what's happening. Jack: Oh, the problem is here's. Here's where I messed up. Here's where the logic happens. The clones were created to fight the drones. Cristina: Okay? So you have to actually know what's going on in Star wars to get it. Jack: There's no clones in this, so it doesn't make sense. It made sense in my head when I remembered that the clones are actually controlled by the same people who own the drones. Cristina: Oh. Jack: Yeah, that's the real story. The people who own the clones own the drones. This fake proxy war to acquire more. Cristina: Power, maybe that's what this is. Jack: I guess. I guess. Cristina: Yeah, but powerful. Jack: Who from the people. The. The only thing we have to take. Cristina: Him if whoever's running China somehow. This is a show for China to show our capability if they decided to attack us like this. Jack: You think there's an invasion? Cristina: Dude, here's the argument. Jack: Here's the argument. Here's the argument taking just. Let's assume we're not being lied to. News media is correct and government statements are true. These are Chinese drones spying on the east. We have Chinese actual planes and spy planes checking 01:00:00 Jack: us out in the west, you want us to be safe. You have the border on the south letting through, on top of everybody else, a wave of, for some reason, Chinese immigrants coming from the south into the country that are being driven in buses directly to New York City with the rest of the South American immigrants. Bro, if we just take what you're telling us at face value. Do you want us to think a war is about to happen and are you about to start attacking the people? Is China invading? That's one. If not, are you using this as a means you're feeding? You're telling us this is all true. You're telling us. Government's telling us. You want us to think that there's an invasion happening so that you can invade ourselves. You're gonna attack us and blame them. Is that the goal here? Cristina: Or to have a reason to attack them? Jack: Or have a reason to attack them? Fair enough. Both. Maybe do both. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Attack them and say, oh, they're everywhere among us. We have to take control so we can weed them out. Out martial law until we find them. And they'll never find them. Cristina: So you think. Jack: Why are you telling us that all of this is Chinese? The Chinese with the Russian to the west, Chinese drones to the east, Chinese immigrants. There's no China beneath us. They took planes and technology there and migrated through the southern border. How the f*** this sounds like an invasion, bro. Like a strategic one too. Really good one. Cristina: But it's not an invasion if we're letting it happen and we know about it and we're helping them. Like it's not. It's ownership, it's something. Exactly. So are we already. Have we lost already? Or is. Are we just saying China's the bad guy when China's actually the secret puppet master this whole time? Jack: I don't know. They are the aliens we see in our skies and our government selling us. No, and those are not aliens. Those are the Chinese. Don't hurt them. And yeah, don't hurt that thing that's also in the West. Looking over one of our most important access points. Actually one of the most important access points on Earth, Anchorage. They're just hanging out by that. Russians and Chinese, the people we have over here on the East. Casual. Also, we got crazy beef with the Russians that they're hanging out over there with. Especially because we just green lit their direct war competitor to use weapons that are going to attack their people and their leaders deep into their country anyways. Yeah, don't shoot that plane down. What the. Does that mean? What? Confusion. Yeah, all the information Is conflicting all of the time. It's like, did Luigi do it? Weirdly enough, the spaceships that we're seeing and the guy shooting the CEO are all one f****** story. It's a weird control thing happening, and there's a bunch of confusion everywhere. Intentionally, it seems intentional. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Weird. Cristina: Mm. What? I don't know. I don't know what's going on. Nothing makes sense. Jack: Nothing makes sense. Confusion looks like the goal. Like, it absolutely looks like part of the plan. Here is a bunch of information. We saying this. We're saying that we're all legitimate sources. According to what we're saying. It's like, what? What? Dude, you said that's the bad guy. You said they're a threat. You said they're trying to spy on us. You said, there's nothing worse to our security than China. Also, those are Chinese drones. And also, don't touch them. Let them be. Cristina: Yes. Jack: At in the same breath that you're telling us the most dangerous nuclear power on earth that directly hates us is teamed up with them watching our western border. And you're like, no, it's all good. You just had a training. Nah, nah. When you put it all together, bro. Nah. Cristina: What's happening then? Jack: I don't know. I don't know. It looks weird. Cristina: It looks very strange. Jack: But everything does lately, because it's falling apart, I think. Again, my theory is the grasp for total control because the people are. They're over it. Cristina: But then is any of this anyone or is this us? Jack: I don't know. I don't know if somebody. That's the crazy part, right? Because it comes back to how much of this is true. If everything is being controlled. Did we break through and show a CEO? No, because it's on everything. It's everywhere. Cristina: So it's all fake or real? Jack: One or the other. That's the problem. And that's the other issue. If it's all fake. It's always been fake. We've never been told the truth. We have an idea what reality looks like. The people who know have always lied to us about it. Cristina: Yeah, that could be it, I think. Jack: Weird. Cristina: Yeah. 01:05:00 Cristina: I gotta find some of these drones. That I'll know. Jack: Anyways, those are the two things I quickly wanted to talk about. Now we can talk about the point of this episode, which is supposed to. Oh, crap. Cristina: What? Jack: We're way over the time. Cristina: Oh, all right. Jack: Yeah, we're gonna have to do this next time. Cristina: No one is gonna care. Jack: They care. And look, I promise we're gonna get to this. It's important they need to know our thoughts on these matters. Cristina: Okay? Jack: And we're going to get to it. Except we don't have time for that today. So next time we're gonna talk about this. But today we unpack those aliens. Cristina: Did we? Jack: Yeah, there's no aliens. Cristina: I guess so, yeah, we did that part. Jack: And we also made more sense with the story of the aliens. Made way more sense of the story of Luigi. Cristina: Oh, yeah, it's all fake. Jack: It's all fake. It's all grounded. It's definitely feasibly a bullshit narrative made up by a bunch of different. So it's one of two things. Either yes, all of it is fake or all the parts are true. Either some dude really did kill a CEO, and that's not somebody trying to trigger you. Somebody broke through and decided to do the thing and the people cheering it on are real people. And there's a thing about to happen. There's a thing that's about to happen. Cristina: That's why we got these droid drones to stop this from happening. Jack: Exactly. The drones. So most of the news is true and people are spotting the rich people's attempt to solve their own fear. Yes, or all of this is f****** true. And those are not ours. That's an invasion. What's happening in the south is an invasion. And what happened with this guy is not real either. That's some stage situation done by the people who usually want to trick you into wanting to go to war with people. If you believe 911 was an inside job to have an excuse to go invade a place, then the drone excuse is the same logic. And there's nobody out west either. That's bullshit. We're just looking for reasons to convince the people that we need. And if we. The more riled up we get, the people the more riled up. So next thing we're gonna find out is that somehow this guy's an insurance company, was owned by some Chinese crap. Whether it's true or not. Oh, they had investors who were Chinese and making money off of whatever. Whatever the h*** we're going to be like. Oh, China. Cristina: Go to every story and see how all of them, any story you've ever heard is related to China. Jack: I bet. Bare minimum. I think it's like using nothing but FOX and cnn. We can connect any story back to China. Okay, then I guarantee you I'm almost. I'm like 99.91% sure that I can. Using no other sources. If they've talked about it, I could probably find the Mention of China in the article, even if they're not directly blaming it. Don't write the word China because it's part of the agenda. You need to think China associated with this article somehow. Cristina: Yes. Okay. Jack: Officials theorize maybe it was China or spectators were believing it was a Chinese. You know, just structured in a way that the thought, oh, Chinese put it up there. Even if they're saying they didn't, but then you'll read it later, they think China put it up there. Before long, even if all of them told you China didn't put it up there, you kept hearing China put it up there. Cristina: Yes. Jack: People definitely think China put it up there. We're not saying they did. People definitely think that, though. That guy over there thinks that. We spoke to these people of some expert think we don't. We're just reporting random crap. Some expert think. Some probably experts. We've deemed experts who were these experts. But with these experts, they think China put it up there. Before long. They never said it was China. No, but I'm sure with all of. Cristina: Them, they're always doing that. Jack: Subliminal messaging everywhere. Cristina: Yeah, the masters of it. Jack: Anyways, if you guys have any input, any thoughts on this Luigi character, any thoughts on that shooting, that murder, any thoughts on these alien drones that are really Chinese drones, that are really American drones that aren't real at all. They're probably just birds. Cristina: It's just birds. Jack: It's just birds. Robot birds. Government. Yeah, it's government birds. That's it. Okay, if you guys got any input on any of that, let us know, as well as how excited you are to hear the news. I got to share with you guys about the research I've done. Anyways, you can tell us about all these things on our socials at just convopod, on Tick Tock, on Instagram, on Facebook, on X. Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the 01:10:00 Cristina: show. Jack: Yes. And word of mouth is the most exaggerated thing in the world. Tell them we've solved it. We figured it out. We know who did the thing, why they did it, and what comes next with profits. Tell them we can tell the future. Cristina: All right, this has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. It. Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Cristina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Elin Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black. 01:11:11

Rambling 225: UFOing

What could the real explanation behind UFOs be? If there are beings other than humans involved in these UFOs, which beings are they? And why does it appear that the Egyptians lead back to so much interesting stuff? The duo continue their deep dive into the UFO phenomena in an attempt to better understand and rationalize away the inconsistencies.

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  • Flat Earth
  • UFO Sightings
  • Atlanteans
  • Reptilians
  • Egyptians UFO
  • The Sea People
  • Government Technology

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your other host, Christina.

Jack: And on this show, we discuss humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I imagine, as I say, that there's, like, real, like, sound music playing that feels like something like wonder. Like wonder. You know, like link opening link from Legend of Zelda opening a treasure chest.

Cristina: If you weren't specific on what link you were talking about.

Jack: Rhett and link.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh, yes. Like, Retin.

Jack: Yeah, Immediately can. A different link. There's more than one Zelda that I can think of.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah. There's the Zelda that's also somebody's daughter.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Whose daughter? Zelda.

Cristina: The actor guy.

Jack: What actor guy? Tom Cruise.

Cristina: The guy who killed himself.

Jack: Ledger. Comedian Robin Williams?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay. Wait, he called his daughter Zelda?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Really?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He's the guy who did that?

Cristina: Why not?

Jack: Now, my question is, was Zelda a name before the game?

Cristina: No.

Jack: Or even if it was.

Cristina: Come on. He had to. There's no way he didn't.

Jack: Robin Williams was old as s***, bro.

Cristina: So he.

Jack: He had to have missed that age. He had to have. Dude, dude, dude.

Cristina: When was the first Legend of Zelda?

Jack: The first Legend of Zelda was somewhere in the 90s, maybe, like, late 80s.

Cristina: How old was he in the eight. Late 80s.

Jack: He was, like, 20s. No. H*** no.

Cristina: If he was not, like, if he.

Jack: Died, let's say 2015, and he was about 70 years.

Cristina: Was he.

Jack: How.

Cristina: You know what?

Jack: You know what? Yeah, check his age. Let's confirm. Let's confirm.

Cristina: He was a gamer, man.

Jack: He could not have.

Cristina: Gamer.

Jack: He could not. He was not a gamer, man.

Cristina: He was a gamer, man.

Jack: Let's find out.

Cristina: You just want to know his age.

Jack: Just his age. We're gonna piece this together.

Cristina: He died at 63.

Jack: At 63.

Cristina: 2014.

Jack: In 2014. So we'll round one year and say 2015 to make this math easy. Okay, so we jump back, I guess we don't really need to do that. We jump back 20 years, and it's 94. Right.

Cristina: So for no, 10. 20 years.

Jack: Yeah. From 20. From 2014, we jump back 20 years and 1994, and he's there, 43 years old. So we take away 10 extra years to make him. To put him in his 30s. This is in the 80s. He would have gotten into gaming in his 30s. No, I guess. I guess.

Cristina: No.

Jack: He could have.

Cristina: He could have.

Jack: If he played Atari and like that, then. Yeah, yeah, it checks out. He would have played it when he was older. He would have played it.

Cristina: Maybe it's like the craziest thing that's happening right now. Like, it's. The newest games just were made.

Jack: So. No, they weren't just made, but he. He survived having played the original games and then gaming collapsing and then Miyamoto essentially saving all of video games with his creations and support for creators.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. He was bigger geek than that.

Jack: What?

Cristina: He was not just a video gamer. He was a pen and paper role playing gamer.

Jack: No freaking way.

Cristina: They don't say the game, but I'm assuming Dungeons and Dragons, right?

Jack: Like there's many RPGs that's those things like the realm of Arda and stuff like that.

Cristina: Pen and paper role playing.

Jack: Yeah, it's the same concept. You just did do this one on a message board, but essentially you could do this with a pen pal.

Cristina: Whoa. Yeah, okay.

Jack: It's the same concept. You're just sending back and forth. The continuation to the story. In fact, the method of doing this began in that form originally. It later entered the forums because the Internet happened. But this was originally a sort of game you played with a pen pal where you can. Or you wrote a story.

Cristina: I'm finding so much about him though, right now. He was into anime and collecting figures. He's such a geek. He was such a geeky.

Jack: Whoa.

Cristina: Whoa. What a geek.

Jack: Robin Williams.

Cristina: Awesome.

Jack: Yeah, it's pretty cool. I dig it.

Cristina: Okay. That's very random.

Jack: He was into all kinds of things, man.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: What a chill guy. Was he a Weeb?

Cristina: He was a Weeb.

Jack: He was a Weeb. He was a Weeb. But was he had kids, right. Or was he like an incel. And we had no idea he had Zelda, which was his daughter.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that's how he got here.

Cristina: Yes. And I think he had two other children. I'm not sure.

Jack: Okay, okay, okay. That makes sense. Now the question is, would he have been an incel if he wasn't a famous comedian? If all other aspects of Robin Williams remained intact except him being a successful comedian, if he was the same personality, all the same traits, except he's like really good at factory line working.

Cristina: Does he have to be good at it? Can you just be a factory line worker?

Jack: That's what he applied. All because he still has all the same wants and desires to be good at something. Okay, so he's just doing that and he's Just like manager and some like that. Okay, so he's that guy. He's not. Robin William, the greatest comedian of all time. Great actor, drama and comedy. Great stand up and. Yeah. If all that's out the window. Is he an incel or is he just a guy?

Cristina: He might.

Jack: I don't know who. Who likes all those things but is still like cool and chilling. Could have bagged the same chick. Could even bag the same chick that. I guess that's my ultimate question. Could you have gotten the same woman or in any case with that woman? Is the question, is she a gold digger?

Cristina: I don't know. I guess they met doing the same thing. Is she a gold digger?

Jack: Is she a comedian?

Cristina: I have no idea.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: I have to go look up his life.

Jack: Where? Assuming that Robin Williams wife is a comedian.

Cristina: Assuming? Yeah, she's some type of actress.

Jack: Writer. Comedians and the date writers all the time. So do actors. Apparently writers are the easiest people to date.

Cristina: Oh, he was married a few times. Three times.

Jack: All writers.

Cristina: The last one, I don't know what she was because it doesn't say. Oh no, the first one either. The second one was a film producer and philanthropist.

Jack: Okay, so no comedians, but yes, somebody in show business.

Cristina: Just one. Well, I guess the other two were normal human beings. Who knows?

Jack: Normal people normal, but normal people see celebrity. He's exceptional. You gotta see celebrities all the time to get over it. That seems to be the thing. People are weird about famous people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So his being famous has a huge thing to go. Like I guess the question here because in the middle of thinking about this, my psychology on it broke up a million times and I considered all the different perspectives of. It's not just whether he would be an incel, but maybe he could get somebody who isn't that same person. What if she's just a gold digger? You know, like that conflict immediately formed in my mind.

Cristina: But if she was a normal person, then would he still be able to get a normal person?

Jack: Yes, because the normal person is somebody who would just easily say yes to celebrity. That's another problem. Okay, so you can't measure it based on normal person because they'll most likely. Well, I guess not most likely, but how good is your game?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like without you being super famous.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Are you capable of getting this one person who only said yes to you because you were famous? Could you get them without being famous?

Cristina: Yeah, like even the first one was probably like even if he wasn't famous at the time, she could probably see that he was Going to be a star?

Jack: Well, it depends. It depends how young he was, how far away from he was. There's no way to tell. Some people are exceptionally talented and never go anywhere.

Cristina: He said his active years, though, was. The start of. His active year was 1976. The year he got married with her was 1978. So did she see something?

Jack: Yeah, I guess that was his first role. What did he do?

Cristina: It doesn't say. It just. He started, I guess, actively becoming a comedian or actor or something.

Jack: A comedian is, I think is where he began. Says if that's where his career started. He got married, what, three years later?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then no, that lady was there though. This is like high school sweetheart or some s***. It's fire. So she was just the real human who was in it. Just cuz she knew him?

Cristina: Yeah, I guess. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: So, okay, debunked. He was just a geek.

Cristina: He was a geek. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. That's all. He. He was definitely not an incel. Because then if he was, he'd be unfortunate. No, that's crazy. That's what people say. I heard that joke a couple of days ago. I was like, what? I hang out on 4chan and I'm not a mental. But no. Yes. There's this perception that incels hang out of 4chan.

Cristina: How do we know you're not an incel.

Jack: How do what?

Cristina: How do we know? The listeners.

Jack: How do the listen.

Cristina: Oh, besides that you're married to a roach. I don't know if that's a positive thing or a negative thing.

Jack: It was. It's a female roach.

Cristina: It's a female roach. I don't know, like, it's just weird. So I don't know. That counts. That doesn't count.

Jack: No, I'm saying I'm not an incel. For sure.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I could bag the b******, but you bag the roach. Yeah. You judge. What the f***?

Cristina: Yeah, I guess, I don't know.

Jack: You a specist?

Cristina: What it was your plan to murder them without any, like, interaction with them?

Jack: I had nothing to do with any of that.

Cristina: You were very encouraging.

Jack: I was. I am. I'm not that guy.

Cristina: Oh, maybe you are not that guy.

Jack: I'm definitely not that guy.

Cristina: You are that guy and not that guy.

Jack: Doesn't matter. So look.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Those are aliens. The insoles, probably. I was thinking more of the roaches.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The. Regardless of what the case might be.

Cristina: The roaches back to Reddit. Somehow leading to aliens. I don't know. No, no, okay.

Jack: No, no, no. The roaches. The roach People. The cockroach people from Mars.

Cristina: Question mark.

Jack: That sounds right.

Cristina: I feel like. That's right. Then he destroyed Mars.

Jack: Replace it. Yeah, okay, okay. It wasn't the moon. What's on the moon? I'm sure.

Cristina: I think we put prisons there and.

Jack: We saw something on the dark side. I don't remember what we saw. Probably more prisons.

Cristina: Cat people.

Jack: Cat people?

Cristina: Lizard people. Well, that's not important. The aliens on Reddit, Is that what you're saying?

Jack: No, the roaches are aliens. And my point in saying that is it's possible that in the past we have seen. This is totally. By the way, last week we were talking about UFOs.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we just started talking about cockroach people right now who happen to be in space. So I immediately just started to think that perhaps, maybe.

Cristina: Maybe what?

Jack: These roach people could have been some of the UFOs we've seen throughout time. And guess what we've seen less recently?

Cristina: What?

Jack: UFOs.

Cristina: I think we've seen less UFOs recently.

Jack: Yes. There was way more in the past, and then they've slowed down. Which in return just means that destroying that planet of roach people has reduced the number of total UFOs sightings.

Cristina: Which makes sense, I guess.

Jack: Makes perfect sense.

Cristina: I think we killed all the lizard people, which probably have UFOs. Who knows?

Jack: Well.

Cristina: Or not.

Jack: Very interesting fact that you'd bring that up, because it seems. It seems that a lot of The UFO people, ufologists believe reptilians are some of the UFOs.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: That there are reptilian UFOs. That some of the UFOs that we have seen are reptilian people. Why?

Cristina: Because they saw them, I guess. Right. Is that the story? They've seen these aliens and they look like lizards?

Jack: I mean, I guess you could argue that the grays could also be reptilian. Or do they have gray skin?

Cristina: But if it's scaly, wouldn't that just mean they're reptilian? Like they don't have skin? I guess it'll be gray.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah, that's what I mean. Is it skin that they have or is it scaly?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: No idea. Anyways. Anyways, so I was thinking about UFOs and I was thinking like, the people who usually believe in UFOs are usually the same people who believe in flat Earth. There's a lot of crossover happening. So I got curious and started diving into flat Earth and trying to understand what the idea is behind flat Earth.

Cristina: And that's Gonna help you with aliens?

Jack: Well, I know that they kind of believe in the same things. I figured if I understand flat Earth a little more, then I'll understand UFOs more and then I can get like the psychology behind it because there'd be some crossing lines or whatever. And so as I'm going through flat Earth ideas, one current day idea we've discussed in the past, Earth exists. It's some sort of floating disc in space with a dome over it. There's an ice wall surrounding the edges of the dome. The dome is optional now because there's two different variants when we reach the dome. One version is the disk ice wall. You get to the ice wall coming out of the back of the ice wall too far for humans to reach because it's too cold or too hostile, or people don't want you to go there because laws or whatever.

Cristina: Land.

Jack: Yeah. No, it's the beginning of the dome that goes over your head.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And it goes over the entire. And all the skies in space and everything are splattered on the dome and we rotate beneath it and so we see different parts of the top of the dome with the sun on one side, the moon on the other, or I guess the moon moves at a different rate on that dome.

Cristina: Do they think we live in a simulation or something?

Jack: No idea. And the alternative is the one with the land on the other side, where on the other side of the ice wall is more water and more land.

Cristina: I'm just glueing it on.

Jack: Well, yeah, I guess. I guess that's more than one variant as well. So I guess we'll say three different options because yes, there is a limited amount of space in one version of this and there's just a lot of it held away from us here, trapped inside the ice wall.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But there's also the idea of like. Yeah, it just goes on forever and we're a tiny little piece caught within this ice wall.

Cristina: That's weird. I don't understand that makes the least sense. Although it all doesn't make sense. Like if it's live, it's unlimited. Why? Why be trapped in one spot?

Jack: Either somebody trapped us without us knowing.

Cristina: What's the advantage?

Jack: Don't know. It would be. It's. I mean, it's something so intelligent it managed to trap 8 billion people. It's beyond our understanding.

Cristina: Are we like an ant farm or something?

Jack: Exactly. Think about it. We could totally be.

Cristina: Yes. Okay, that makes sense.

Jack: Yeah. Like it's. Who knows? Or we just happen to be in a spot that's protected from some sort of condition outside of that wall, and that has allowed us to exist and develop long enough to question why we're in here. So there's no actual influence directly on us other than we happen to be some of the creatures that developed on Earth and happened to be protected from some worst thing that happens to exist out there that would have stopped our development longer ago. Maybe catastrophes happen out on the other side of the wall all the time, but the tidal waves can't reach high enough to come over the ice wall. And so colossal tidal waves that consistently destroy no man.

Cristina: Oh, so weird. All right.

Jack: You know, don't destroy us.

Cristina: The first one, though, is really strange because, like, do they think someone made this?

Jack: Some people do. God.

Cristina: It's hard to imagine. Okay, but then he's a physical thing, right? Like. Or not physical, but he's some kind of scientist.

Jack: Well, I mean, it's already theorized that God is some sort of scientist.

Cristina: Okay. If he's, like, what would be the point?

Jack: What would be the point?

Cristina: Yes. To put us in a globe and then have everything perfect. Like, it's really like we're just pets. Yeah.

Jack: Sort of trapped in a. In, like a cage of sorts.

Cristina: Yeah. Although I guess in all three options, we're just trapped in a cage as pets in some way.

Jack: No, in one of them, we're not. It's just absolute chance. There's nobody trapping us in here. We just happen to have developed inside of this container.

Cristina: Yeah, but aren't the. Isn't the government trying to keep us from discovering the truth that we are?

Jack: I guess more options spreading out would include the version in which now they're not. They're really not. But it still happens to be the fact, like, they can't be behind every conspiracy. But looking into flat Earth and trying to comprehend how flat Earth works, I came across those. Right. But I also wanted to find the origins of flat Earth, Weirdly enough. Weirdly enough. Flat Earth in current day seems to be essentially a religious belief from olden day, because early Egyptians and Mesopotamians all believed it was also a disk floating on an infinite ocean.

Cristina: Okay, but did they? There's proof that they did.

Jack: Yeah. I mean, their depictions suggest that. Which happen to be on pyramid texts and coffin texts depicting large oceans encircling land. It just happened to also be that way. They just believed it. It just happened.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So interesting. I didn't know.

Cristina: Very strange.

Jack: Yeah. Like, I knew it was a belief of the past, but this is almost a ritualized belief. This is almost religion.

Cristina: But how can you tell it's religion?

Jack: Because they're believing it with faith. And they're ritualizing the preaching, thinking, exercising the thought of. And telling other people of it and studying it.

Cristina: They're studying flat earth. They have flat earth research written on their walls.

Jack: They have flat earth concepts and ideas written on walls. I don't think there's, like, science going on.

Cristina: I don't know, like, some numbers involved somehow.

Jack: No, it just seems that they were, like, studying flat earth.

Cristina: What does that even mean?

Jack: Just. I guess studying is the incorrect word. They're writing down their ideas of what a flat earth could encompass.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, the Israelites had the added belief of a dome as well.

Cristina: I wonder what that comes from.

Jack: And they believe that the dome separated them from heaven.

Cristina: Of course it does.

Jack: Yeah. Not that the dome is heaven.

Cristina: It separates us from heaven.

Jack: The dome separates us from heaven. That's. That's a very Creature being studied. Visual.

Cristina: Yes. Something about the dome does feel like that.

Jack: Yeah. It feels like you put an ant in a bubble and you're watching it.

Cristina: Like people who keep Ansa's pets. And that thin, thin little. I don't know what that thing is called, but I've seen it. I don't know, in commercials. I think my brother owned one. It's like dirt. It's a plastic. It's like a thin glass of dirt and ants are in it.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And you can see, like, how they're living. You can see the tunnels because it's thin, but it's. Their tunnels are clear because they're digging.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: I have no idea what that's called, but that thing.

Jack: Yeah. It has the same kind of feel to it, this sort of being watched through the glass idea. If the heavens are above that and God is always watching us. What?

Cristina: Yeah. It's weird being watched. Is that what they all think? Although, I guess the whole idea of aliens is us being watched.

Jack: Yeah. But it's weirder that this almost leans into religion because the alien thing comes in later.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: There is a lot of this. God is on the other side. Heaven is on the other side.

Cristina: Because he's watching us 24 7.

Jack: He's watching us 24 7.

Cristina: He's watching us.

Jack: Exactly. Well, the issue then begins when we go back to the Egyptians as opposed to the Israelites.

Cristina: Why? What's happening with them?

Jack: Well, the Egyptians really definitely believed that they were seeing things in the sky, floating the same way that today's ufo.

Cristina: I don't know what that is.

Jack: Today's UFO people believe in. These are images of hieroglyphs on the Egyptian. In many Egyptian sites, Ancient Egyptian sites. These are hieroglyphs. These. Okay, so this right here is believed to be symbolizing an alien spaceship. It could be anything. That's just a line in an oval shape. Yeah, this orientation is confusing.

Cristina: But there's a person in a ship or I guess that's what people.

Jack: Some sort of something.

Cristina: Something in a. Something El.

Jack: Yeah, it looks like something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And again.

Cristina: That'S the one where it looks like there's a bunch of different things happening there.

Jack: Yeah, there's a bunch of flying things that are weird.

Cristina: There's a helicopter, there's a tank. These are not alien. Those are.

Jack: No, these are just the future. This actually, this one brings up an interesting conversation in which. Are they just seeing the future of something we know? We. I still hold the theory that we're wrong about something down the line with the history about the Mayans, the Egyptians, the Atlanteans, and the old equator. Because I don't believe it was just like. Just for Jesus. I don't believe it was just for Jesus. There was something. Something was coming for them, and that's why not having Jesus. There was important. You know, it was about hiding Atlantis and hiding perhaps the Garden of Eden. But topic for another day. This right here, the order of this is a helicopter, either a submarine or a tank. And then a spaceship is showing progression, and one of them goes way into the field. Is this speculation or is it based on witnessing the future.

Cristina: So hard? It's so random, because right next to it is like some type of bug all the way over there, like this thing. It's very random.

Jack: And like grass.

Cristina: Grass. Like. Yeah, it doesn't. It could be nothing.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: I don't know. It could just be a symbol.

Jack: Okay, this could be a hat.

Cristina: There's a little one under it.

Jack: Yeah, that actually looks more like a hat. Is that a spaceship abducting a hat?

Cristina: I don't know. What if that's flat Earth? Do they have. Where's their photo of the flat Earth?

Jack: Oh, I didn't even consider that. I don't know, because this was the point.

Cristina: The hat eating a hat.

Jack: Yes. Well, now you think about it, that does kind of look like flat Earth, but. And again, what is that?

Cristina: I don't know. Because that could be the sun. And he's offering something to the sun because he thinks the sun is a God. You know, that type of stuff.

Jack: 100%. What part of that makes you think.

Cristina: That'S the sun because it looks like it's round and there's light. The lines look like sun rays.

Jack: What part of this is round?

Cristina: The top part.

Jack: You mean the half?

Cristina: Yes, people. Kids draw suns. Like really dumb looking too. Like you're not questioning like how, what they're making sun. There's a tiny part in the bottom.

Jack: I don't think that's the sun. This is clearly something else. That one's a stretch. That's obviously something different.

Cristina: That's. You think it's a alien?

Jack: I don't think it's an alien. I think it's something that's definitely not the sun.

Cristina: It's their God.

Jack: No, it could be. Yeah, it could definitely be there. Or not their God. It could be somewhere that their God is looking through.

Cristina: It's an eye.

Jack: It could totally be an eye, actually. Yes. That's exactly how they do their eyes, isn't it?

Cristina: It's an eyeball looking at whatever he's offering.

Jack: But the argument is that this is also a ufo. A ufo, of course, yes.

Cristina: It looks like an eye, so it's probably God's eye looking at the offering.

Jack: So, yeah, here's a collection of that stuff.

Cristina: That first one is weird.

Jack: That circle.

Cristina: Yeah, that could be anything. Like there's so much birds next to it. Like maybe that was just another attempt to make a bird and it's just really ugly. Just a really ugly rock looking bird. I don't know.

Jack: So the UFOs that they have seen line up with the fact that the people who believe in flat Earth today are the same people who do believe in UFOs. That theory checked out so hard. I found that the people who believed in flat Earth in the past also believed in UFOs in the past.

Cristina: Okay, but we don't really know that for sure. Like we can't talk to these people and be like, is that what you painted? Are those UFOs?

Jack: Well, let's break it apart. Their system can be converted to letters and then you could figure out what these mean. It was an Alphabet of sorts. It was consistent hieroglyphs told stories with words. So they always had to say, we've cracked their hieroglyphics. Language.

Cristina: We know what they meant, but these are being questioned. They're not like this is for sure aliens, are they?

Jack: Well, when we have one off imagery like that. But for the most part we can tell what they're saying about these things, even if we don't know what the thing they're referring to is. Because there's no other reference to the thing. Yeah, you get my point. Like, the rest of the language makes sense. It's just, what the f*** do they mean by this thing that they've never talked about ever and has no context? Clue.

Cristina: That's very strange.

Jack: You get my point. So when we see these images, you'll see the writing that tells you the narrative and the idea. It was here. This is what I think it was. But it's like now they're using words you've never had encountered, so it fuzzes out into nothingness. The language has been cracked, but you still can't compensate for words that have never shown. And if they have no words for themselves, they're just, for the first time, coming up with it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's a little hard, right?

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: Now they definitely believe that there was something going on. Some of these images are weird shots in the dark. Other ones.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Obvious ones.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You think any of them are obvious?

Cristina: Not that obvious.

Jack: Like the one with the freaking chopper in the submarine. That next one was obviously what it was. Just that looks like order.

Cristina: It could be the present, though. Like, that's not a. That doesn't scream aliens. If it looks so similar to what.

Jack: We have, it's being UFOs, not aliens.

Cristina: Oh, UFOs.

Jack: Yeah. It could just be a UFO. Just unidentified object.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: In that progression, like I said, I think it's just telling us a future.

Cristina: UFOs, but not aliens.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. It doesn't have to be aliens by any means.

Cristina: Okay, then. Yes.

Jack: That's, in fact, in my argument for most of this is that it's not aliens. I don't think it's coming from outer space.

Cristina: It's us. It's kind of sort of in different times.

Jack: Kind of sort of. I think in the past we see. I guess not in the past. When we look at these hieroglyphs from the Egyptians, we also see the same ideas and not even just hieroglyphs, but when they have. When we look into the writings and they're describing in Arabia. In Arabic. In Arabic, they're describing in Arabic things that come up, like the unicorn and like Pegasus and like the sea people. The context seems to be very similar to the ancient hieroglyphs. It would be surrounded by what, by crops? Like the grass we saw. It would be out in nature. That's why there's insects out there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so the same idea would apply to where you're seeing the sea people. You're always coming across them on top of mountains. Where there's woods, where there's trees, where there's nature, where there's birds. So it kind of falls in line that although later they have a literal word to describe the flying thing. They were talking about the flying thing in other contexts. We were seeing other technologies that were from the Atlanteans.

Cristina: Is that what you're saying?

Jack: That's. That's. That's my theory on this. Because again, they shared the technology, so they showed up. They didn't just show up one way. It wasn't just all this magic looking s***.

Cristina: Yeah, they had tech.

Jack: They had the ability to move their entire civilization from the Persian Gulf oasis to the Atlantic Ocean.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: They're up there. And so we see their genetically modified things and we're like, that's badass. But we see they're totally not animal machinery and technology, and we are baffled. We can understand a horse with wings. You're like, oh, we've seen wings. We've seen horse. That's kind of weird. It's a horse with wings. What do you do when there's just a disc floating and they come out of that? You're like, oh, what did I just witness? Okay, you've never seen any form of technology ever? And then they roll up to you on a flying saucer and then a light happens and they're just in front of you like, Tad.

Cristina: It's like, whoa, crazy. Okay, so, yeah, I guess it could not be aliens and still be UFOs.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. It's just crap we. We're unfamiliar with, but it kind of checks out with the greater narrative. And then when we look at certain things, like the context behind hieroglyphs showing us spaceships and Egyptian. What is it again? It's not Arabic. It's Arabic. Arabic. Arabic. Okay. Showing us in Arabic texts in the same context, except it seems that almost things are swapped for Pegasus or Unicorn. Then we're talking about interesting lines crossing where it's potentially the same thing, just discussed in different forms and different times. Now it's really weird. And what's weirder is that there doesn't seem to be mentions in those contexts in hieroglyphs where we see a. A horse with wings. And there doesn't seem to be context in Arabic with ancient Egyptian texts where they specifically mentioned UFOs. It seems to be like, strictly, yes.

Cristina: But like, how do they believe in Flat Earth and the Dome and all that? And you can see all these things, and that's what brings up space.

Jack: Yeah, that brings up a lot of questions. Right.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, if they're so accurately mapping out what's happening above and simultaneously believing that the Earth is flat, how's that possible? Unless it's exactly the truth.

Cristina: Or they figured it out eventually. Like, one could be older than the other.

Jack: Interesting idea. So the concept would be that these original group of people eventually figured out that the Earth was round.

Cristina: Maybe. I don't know. It's hard to tell because I don't know anything about all the different things they have written on their walls.

Jack: And there are many.

Cristina: Yeah. And how many had. Like, it's probably gone from history.

Jack: Yeah. Just because it eroded over time. I'm assuming a plethora of things have suffered that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, I do think that we are seeing Atlanteans consistently throughout time because they've outlived us for quite some time. But I don't think that's all of it.

Cristina: You think there are other things?

Jack: I think there are other things. We took out the reptilians from Universe 2, because that's kind of how we got there. Because they were coming in from universe 2 through the core of Earth where they had their portal. You remember the whole shtick that happened.

Cristina: It's hard to say which one. They came from this universe too, actually.

Jack: Portal. And they were from the Mars of that universe, instead of cockroach people.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. You remember. So then we took the planet, enslaved all of them, put them in prisons and the good times or whatever. So we go, we get rid of the Reptilians, we confiscate the technology. No more Reptilians coming through. Mainly because we destroyed that planet, which means we also. We destroyed Earth entirely. Because Planet X definitely crashed into that.

Cristina: Yes. Yes, it did.

Jack: And there's nothing. There's no more portal to come through. Oh, well. Oopsie. We made an oopsie. Yes, we made an oopsie. But we had Reptilians on this side that were not alien. They came from our core. We don't have Reptilians in space. People have also concluded this on the interwebs and in places like Reddit, come to the conclusion that it makes absolutely no sense to believe Reptilians come from space, because Reptilians, on average, come from the core of the planet. Duh. That's why we destroyed. Okay, makes perfect sense. No, but they really believe that they live from the core. They came out. They're not aliens. No, they're Earthlings.

Cristina: That makes sense. Yeah, we have dinosaurs and stuff like they. There's animals that they Lost from. Or they have relatives too, like we and the apes. The same. Same.

Jack: So the argument is that you would need to be in locations where you can access the core of the planet. You'd need to enter locations that could take you through passageways to the center of the Earth. And locations that would allow you to do this would be one, the ocean and two, volcanoes, because they have magma tunnels.

Cristina: Okay. How can Italians go through that?

Jack: Well, the idea here would be we've seen UFOs like we discussed on the previous episode, to have the ability to traverse all form of terrain, go from water, but never air to space, to enter into. Well, this couple, and I forget where, was taking a photo of this volcano you see before you. And what they saw come out of those.

Cristina: They saw that come out of it.

Jack: They came out and then shot to the left. Interesting, Interesting. So looking deeper into that, I came across a couple of instances that people have described in seeing exactly the same things, usually around volcanoes in which something pops up just a couple of hundred feet directly above, just fly away and skadoodle in a random direction.

Cristina: You have a collection of photos.

Jack: No, this is the only one that was photographed. But people were like, yep, seen that before.

Cristina: Whoa. I live next to a volcano. I don't want to live next to a volcano. But that would be cool.

Jack: So this kind of fits the idea that there would be a ship that is coming in. I mean, it's freaking coming in and out of a volcano. First of all, the volcano has magma in it, and so it's going through that and just making it, which means that technology can just handle it.

Cristina: Yeah. But so far, all these UFOs are from planet Earth.

Jack: Yeah. We're not seeing anything in space. We're not out there to see anything.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It'd be crazy if we were.

Cristina: Lots of stories are like they came from out there and are visiting us here.

Jack: What story?

Cristina: People's stories.

Jack: Who's seen it?

Cristina: I don't think they've seen it, actually. No.

Jack: They've never seen a UFO come all the way from space. It would look like a dot.

Cristina: I'm guessing the aliens are saying that. I don't know. Or maybe they're just assuming that.

Jack: I think they're just assuming. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think there's any proof for something from outer space. All this crap like these aliens are.

Cristina: Telling them their backstories.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Oh, wait, some of them do. I'm pretty sure they're like, yes, we're from that sun.

Jack: Oh, yes, yes. That happened with. With Bob Lazar. And his alien friend, who we'll call Elvis, because that's the only one I remember from perfect Dark Elvis.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Elvis was from Zeta Reticuli or some like that. You remember. This is the name of the planet that Bob Lazar's friend Elvis came from.

Cristina: Sure. But yeah, so there's that. But then you're saying maybe there's not that.

Jack: What, like rays?

Cristina: Like aliens from out there? No, I don't think they're that are visiting us. I mean, I mean, there could be aliens out there, but that doesn't mean they're visiting us.

Jack: Well, I do believe there are a couple of instances that are simultaneously taking place that explain away what we see when we see UFOs.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Well, I'll take you down the theory of events. My. My theory on the series of events. I believe first The Egyptians saw UFOs constantly. But those were the sea people they were showing us the sea people that they saw frequently. That was step number one. A lot of those hieroglyphs were just that it was them. Like, whoa. The sea people rolled up instead of a horse. It was in a. In a dark dish and the light shot out and they just like popped up and they were like, cool. We come to trade with you guys again. It was like, whoa. They didn't show up in a horse with wings this time. They showed up in a flying plate.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: Definitely. Now, I also believe that a large sum of the UFOs we see are actually literally technology controlled by the United States government. Like, yeah, they're testing. They're really testing. And they light all the time.

Cristina: How did they get those things?

Jack: Nah, some of the whacker we see is our own. Not the better. Oh, some of the wack is lamest. What was it? It was like a super advanced plane. It was a super advanced plane. That's what it was, bro. It was just a super vance plane. And they're lying to you and they don't want. They're scared of everybody. Our government's so paranoid. They're like, oh no, nobody can know about our secret tech. And copy it and copy it. And then we're gon are super $80 billion richer than we were before. But it was already 25 of our entire budget.

Cristina: Yeah, like who's gonna do that?

Jack: It's us, okay? Like, yeah, they got all the jets, all the sorts that you've never heard of and have no way of researching because they don't want you to know or anyone else to know. They're super Secretive super secret agent man. They do that with everything they do. Super secret agent man with everything. And then they give you the wackest s*** they could think about. They're like, what's the bottom of the barrel? Give that to the f****** people. Our government can go f****** invisible if we want. That's some real. That's not even secret. That's just how advanced it is that we know of. Yeah, like what? You got jets that could just disappear in the sky. Now apply that logic to something like way better. That's just what we know about. They got better. Simple. It's just f****** tech. There's a lot of it.

Cristina: A lot of it. Okay, yeah.

Jack: So we got the sea people who didn't. I refuse to believe they're just invisible in some other universe right now. There's some of them around here. They're roaming. We see some of them. That's probably the high. Some of the higher end stuff. We see that. Wow, looks so confusing. And like, how are they doing this? It just went from water to sky without missing a beat. How do you do it? Definitely see people to advance. It's gonna be crap we don't get. And yes, American technology, foreign governments with their own. That looks different because we lie. We get lied to by our government. They show us. Oh, their jets look like our jets. But it's like, what if they're super advanced and look different? I don't know. I haven't been over there. You're just making us think that we're strong, whatever.

Cristina: But then there's a lizard.

Jack: Then there's the Reptilians. They're still not. Everybody's just seeing them come out of the volcano. There's a million other places they could be and be heading. So you could see it going on.

Cristina: Okay, yeah, simple.

Jack: So now we're getting a collection of a bunch of different crap in the sky, all of which came from Earth. Yes, a crap ton of it. All of it came from Earth so far.

Cristina: And time travel, yes.

Jack: Thin places specifically are one of the best because again, you'll be traveling in a plane in the future where there's way more s*** in the sky because everything is run by AI and they're not crashing into each other. So you can have the sky flooded with things and somebody for a split second enters through a thin place, shows up somewhere in the past that they shouldn't have. They don't see it. The sky looks the same to them. For a split second it happened. You look up, see something crazy in the sky that Looks like an alien. Then it popped back into its time because it went through a thin place. Boom. The sky in the future is flooded with that. There's no way reality is absolutely stable. Entropy is real. Thin places are everywhere. We're just not populating every inch of everything. So we don't come across them often. Because most s*** is empty space. I am sure if we filled out way more of that empty space, thin place interactions that happen all the time.

Cristina: We would never know.

Jack: We would never know. Neither would the people on the ships or anything. You just flying in your plane, go through a thin place. It's a split second somebody in the past saw you. Now you're back where you should be. You never notice, even went through it. Your thing glitched for a split second and you're good.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: And now we're seeing the sea people just kind of living amongst us because why the h*** wouldn't they? We're seeing Reptilians among their trips to wherever. We're seeing ships from the future slipping through thin places. And we're seeing government technology probably aware of all this other s***. Also very paranoid on their own like, well we can't. We gotta. I guess they might even be right. We're over here making fun of them for over investing. They're the only smart ones. They're like these m************ can just, just go from water to land. We can't do that. We're so outgunned. Dedicate more money to the. We're too slow in catching case. Well, I mean let's be real. Any of these things that we've seen, dude, we have nothing that can. We don't. We couldn't conceive of how we would traverse lava.

Cristina: No.

Jack: We have no concept of what that is. If something could do that, it is invincible to us.

Cristina: Is there any amount of money that can help us fight lava over time?

Jack: Maybe. Maybe we'll invent something that could tolerate it. Yeah, some. You vet some sort of element, they could deal with it for sure. For sure fact it'll happen in the future, but it's not the fact now. Anything we encounter that could do that is invincible to us. It's indestructible to us. There's nothing we could do to harm it.

Cristina: No amount of money currently no amount.

Jack: Of money we'd have. I mean you could probably throw enough money at a guy and he would make it out fair enough. Means some amount of money will trigger a chain reaction of a bunch of geniuses coming together and solving the Problem. It'll happen. You could. You could solve it with money.

Cristina: I don't know. That's a lot. A new element.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You dedicate in it. We could solve cancer overnight. Just give it to the right rich guy. Give cancer to the right rich guy. Guarantee you give cancer to a lot of rich guys. And then make it so only the. So the scientists only jump on it if the poor people get paid for us, I guess. Well, they'll throw all the money at the poor people, I guarantee you. And then all the poor people be like, yes, we agree. And then it's solved. And all the poor people have the cure for Cancer Institute. Rich people, they don't care about that. They just want more money. And they're invested in the freaking hospitals or whatever. Not the hospitals, the pharmaceutical companies that are selling the medications or whatever. More money. But anyways, I think. I think that's the collective image of what we're seeing, of everything. Yeah.

Cristina: And what about the dome lid that we have, or whatever you want to call it? Do you think that's there?

Jack: I don't know. Because everything I just described did not need to cross that. I have described nothing that needed to cross that barrier. Which is the craziest part. All of it fits, including the dungeon. As of now, all of the things could be happening. They're all UFOs, crap we do not know. Have not identified. Are not familiar with all these creatures, including the reptilians, the sea people, the United States government. And what the h*** am I missing?

Cristina: Reptilian.

Jack: Oh, and thin places, which are just. Yeah, the future people. So all of these things put together, that's for four different collectives happening simultaneously on Earth.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And none of them, not one crosses that barrier into, through.

Cristina: But we have. Does that not count? Yeah, that breaks all of that. Or does it? Or are. But I guess those people think they didn't really.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no. Well, the argument you are questioning is probably incorrect because look at it like this. Did you go through the Earth to the other side or did you go upwards? And who says you ever reached the.

Cristina: Dome when they touched the moon?

Jack: Yeah, who says the moon is. It says that the moon is within the dome. It's under it, not over it.

Cristina: It's under it.

Jack: Yeah. The moon is under the dome. They got to the moon, right? Yeah, that's underneath the dome. Cool.

Cristina: Okay, so anything around Earth is on this dome.

Jack: It's either on the dome or in the dome with the other stuff in the dome.

Cristina: Okay. And every star we See or not those.

Jack: The stars we see are on the.

Cristina: Dome and the planets are on the dome or they're not on the Or. You said it could be either or.

Jack: It could be either or. I don't know. I know that the moon and the sun are on the dome or in front of it.

Cristina: In front of it. Okay.

Jack: Difficult, because both. I've seen both depictions. I've seen a sun hovering just below the dome and a moon hovering just below the dome and those things kind of spinning around. So I don't really know where anything really stands when it comes to that. It could be either. Or.

Cristina: How does the sun get in front of the moon?

Jack: How do you mean?

Cristina: When we're spinning and you know, sometimes the moon, I guess eclipses. How do eclipses happen?

Jack: How do eclipses happen? Yes, that's. That would be, I guess, an argument completely against.

Cristina: I guess we're not trying to really argue about anything. We, at this moment, though, we're not trying to disprove flat earth.

Jack: We're not trying to disprove flat earth. We're not even trying to prove flat earth or anything. We're just talking that it seemed to have been the same people. And that did leave me to some conclusive thoughts about what we're seeing when we're seeing UFOs, okay. Which again is American. Not American, just government secret military weaponry in the form of flying objects. We're seeing the sea people who are ancient earthlings that are very technologically advanced lizard people. We're seeing Reptilians who've been here who the h*** knows how long. Reptiles live crazy amounts of time. They could have been here before the freaking. I mean, we'd literally considered that what they were using was magic and not just hyper advanced technology. We questioned it with the Atlanteans. We did not have a. We had to work our way back to technology with the Reptilians, we thought it was just magic. That's how far. So their s*** is older. Older.

Cristina: Are the cat people older or they're not involved in any of this.

Jack: Well, the cat people, I think might have just stolen reptilian technology because it looked too much like magic.

Cristina: But they're from here or not? Do we ever.

Jack: Cat people are from here.

Cristina: Yeah, but they left here. Yeah, okay. Because I know the only people they really involved themselves with were the Egyptians, I think. Or at least the Egyptians seen them.

Jack: Well, they were Chimeras from the Egyptians.

Cristina: They made them.

Jack: The Egyptians made them. It's a Planet of the Apes scenario with cats.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. First they made these chimeras. These chimeras. And overtook society. And that's why they forced people to worship them, make giant statues of them. And then the people also got smarter and stronger. The war happened. And then these people decided to split into two groups. The people who are gonna contain the humans under control for as long as they can, and then the ones who would leave with all of the technology and advance it. And. Yeah, that's the story of cat people.

Cristina: Okay, that makes sense. Yep.

Jack: Yep. Anyways, this is basically my image for what I believe the UFOs are when we see them in the sky. I do have one additional thing for you.

Cristina: But. What? What? What?

Jack: It is an old video of a.

Cristina: Of a cat person. Of a lizard person?

Jack: No, of an. Of a spotting. Like a people spotted a ufo. A ufo. And I remember seeing this very video a long time ago. And you probably saw it too. Okay, so here you go. Here's a video. I'm sure you've seen this before. Where these people are driving by the ocean and then they see that impossible formation of lights in the sky. That's absolutely freaking nuts.

Cristina: That could be us.

Jack: I think those are Atlanteans. This was over the Atlantic Ocean. That's multiple different sources of light all way off in the distance, hovering over the ocean. I think those are just aligned ends.

Cristina: That's pretty cool. Like it?

Jack: So, yeah, that's my theory. Showed you some proof, some. Some arguments, some thoughts, some videos, pictures, photos, photo evidence.

Cristina: Sure.

Jack: Of things and stuff.

Cristina: Sure were things.

Jack: Exactly. It was the most thingy of all things. I actually have one more thing to show you.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah. This is the literal last bit of it. So here is a map of the sightings, all the sightings ever recorded. And this is the United States of America, which is.

Cristina: So where most people are populating is where we're seeing them.

Jack: Yeah, essentially.

Cristina: Crazy. Crazy.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: We'd have more planes too, you know, but what?

Jack: Yeah, Interesting. Where there's more molar sky activity. We're seeing more UFOs.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What? What a coincidence.

Cristina: Although there are some cities, like. Look at that. If those represent cities, those are not being touched at all.

Jack: No, those places are not being visited at all. And those places are populated.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting. And now let's go down a quick list of the places.

Cristina: The top places, the seats.

Jack: Top states. Because the United States is factually the country with the most abductions. So let's go through the states with the most abduct.

Cristina: Okay. Abductions. Not even.

Jack: Not abduction. Sightings.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: These numbers would be absurd if they were abductions.

Cristina: My bad.

Jack: Okay, that's like so in 10th place, North Carolina, 2273 sightings. What we got Michigan, 2451. Ohio2907. Pennsylvania 3142.

Cristina: Is there ever gonna be like a real crazy jump?

Jack: Oh yeah. We could just ignore all of these and get to the fun stuff because then we get to these top number states up here and we get California.

Cristina: 11,000.

Jack: They have 11,202 sightings.

Cristina: That is ridic. But they're huge. California is huge. It's the whole one side of the state. That's not fair, is it?

Jack: Nope, nope.

Cristina: Like if it was like, wait, what was number one? That was number two.

Jack: No, California.

Cristina: That was number two.

Jack: No, CA was number one.

Cristina: What's number two? I want to see what's number two.

Jack: Then what's number two? I already got out of there.

Cristina: Because California doesn't count.

Jack: Why does California not count?

Cristina: Doesn't count. It's too long.

Jack: Number two is Florida with 5,113.

Cristina: How many?

Jack: 5,113.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: So yeah, that's what I got. I wanted to unpack some of the UFO things and see if I can make some connections. And I do believe, believe that there are actual connections to be made relative to UFOs and it's already hidden in all of the pre existing information we have. And it's all earth related, which doesn't in any case disprove flat earth, which is how it got to UFOs in the first place, as I was trying to figure it out. But that's concerning to some degree, I suppose. Again, like, what if we just haven't reached the dome? What if there is a dome and we haven't reached the dome?

Cristina: I don't. I don't know.

Jack: Right. Like how would we prove that wrong?

Cristina: Yeah. Until we reach it.

Jack: And here's the other part. This dome or firmament, what if it's not around the like attached to Earth? Specifically, what if we are in a dome, but it is what we consider our universe?

Cristina: That would be impossible to tell.

Jack: Well, that's the same idea behind like the infinitely long ocean and then just a firmament fixture over you. Infinitely up. If the oceans go on forever, then there must never be a point where the sky and the water meet. It just goes on forever too.

Cristina: Okay, Right. Then we wouldn't be in a dome.

Jack: Yeah, it wouldn't be a dome. And we can never reach the top. Yeah, because there is a top. It's just infinite and unreachable because there's no. You couldn't scale up anything to reach that thing. You have to go. Go straight up. I suppose a plane would do it. But then why can't planes. Why aren't planes hitting the dome all the time? They can't reach. But what about rockets? There's so many holes here.

Cristina: We're not trying to prove where this robot.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyways, anyways, I do believe that this is a good explanation for UFOs. All of it comes from Earth. It's all some form of tech from one group of advanced something or another. And also thin places from the future. The end.

Cristina: The future.

Jack: All of which topics we've discussed in the past. And you can talk to us about them on all our platforms, contact us, tell us what you think. What are these UFOs? You can hit us up at our Socials JustConville pod, at TikTok, at Facebook, on Twitter, on Instagram.

Cristina: And remember to subscribe, rate and review.

Jack: The show, because words of mouth. It's the best thing to have ever happened.

Cristina: Are you speaking like that?

Jack: Why wouldn't I?

Cristina: Does someone who might like the show know about it? Yeah, more of the same thing.

Jack: Because word of mouth.

Cristina: Exactly. Okay, this has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye now. There's nothing underneath the Gulf coast other than a bunch of old structures. And in the Bermuda Triangle there is also a bunch of remnants, but it. We can't. We can't really explore the true depth of it. So the argument is they either moved there or the Atlanteans were two groups of people.

Cristina: That doesn't make sense, does it?

Jack: Well, for example, the Portuguese are two groups of people. The Brazilians and the Europeans.

Cristina: How close are they?

Jack: They are across the world from each other, literally. Some are in Europe and the others are in South America.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister. With social media managed by Amber Black.

7.01 The Belly Cave Podcast & Urban Exploration

Guest Jims Urbex, host of the Belly Cave Podcast, joins Jack to discuss everything from urban exploration to psychedelic drugs and the covid aftermath. A must listen episode breaking down the intricacies of Urban Exploration and some of the stories and dangerous sites. This eye opening episode is a gateway drug to venturing out into your own surroundings and finding the secrets hidden in plain sight. 

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

  • Dreams
  • Psychedelic Drugs
  • Hospitals During Covid
  • Cave Clan = Fight Club
  • Abandoned Mines
  • Apostles are scientists - All cults
  • UFOs
  • The Queen’s Wealth
  • Homeless people with Cellphones
  • First World Problems
  • Life without Tech
  • Lockdowns and Panic

Jims Links:

Jims Website - Jimsurbex.com

Instagram - @Jims_Urbex

Show's Website - thebellycavepodcast.com

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Rambling 197: Bioventus Strange Mystery

What happened at the Bioventus Research Facility? What experiments were being run in this facility leading to the incident? Was there some paranormal activity taking place? The duo unpack the most baffling paranormal incident in recent history reviewing police reports and a play by play of events following witness and victim logs. One of the scariest, most confusing episodes of the show to date. The conclusion might be spookier than the event!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

  • Classified Experiment
  • Science Logs
  • Strange Illness
  • Flashing Lights
  • Ghostly Apparitions
  • Paranormal Circumstance
  • Alien Observations
  • Missing Person
  • Murder Suicide

Our Links:

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+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And today. So, you know, it's October and everything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Last week we had a really weird story. Also, I'm holding. This is the creepy. The creepy stories voice. So last week, by mere chance, I happened to locate. Now, I knew roughly about the. The super deep borehole, but I didn't know it got so weird. You know, everybody's heard about the story of the.

Cristina: Heard about the sound.

Jack: Yeah, it's like. And every. You know, superstitions and blah, blah, blah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The usual stuff that happens in life when something odd happens, but like, when you really investigate the superstitious and like. Oh, no, it's just, you know, urban legend that quickly fades and then you just got really weird information left.

Cristina: It's so weird. It's hard to imagine that that's a real story.

Jack: I'm sure a lot of it is bullshit. Like, you got to understand now, all the things that happened are real. But again, I'm sure that a lot of it is just people speculating on things and a lot of superstitious individuals making the reports.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: You know, so you put a bunch of religious people in a place, even if they're scientists, you know, the religious aspect of our humanity seems to always kick in. And these things that always seem to jump in are conspiracy theories and monsters and aliens and, oh, this and that and all this. The f****** hole to h***. Allegedly.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But like, no, it was probably, you know, we. Some creature we've never seen is somehow developed down there. And it's not a monster or a demon or anything. It's just some creature. Anytime we go to the very depths of the ocean, we find weird s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why wouldn't this be the same case?

Cristina: Mm. You know, it's possible.

Jack: So the reason I talked about that story last week was because, you know, Halloween's coming, time to get into the weird s***.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And I had the intention of, you know, finding some other science related thing to talk about to, you know, this is something science can't explain. But in trying to find something science couldn't explain, I just found something that science wasn't even involved in or directly involved in. They just happened to be scientists.

Cristina: I don't know what you mean. Like, it's a discovery.

Jack: No. So the super deep borehole is a science experiment. It's science that we can't explain what was ha. Like science can't explain what was happening in the science experiment.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Or they did and they just never showed us.

Jack: Yes, exactly. Exactly. This isn't science experiment or science can't explain it. Nobody has tried to be scientific about it because it's so random. So allow me to begin by introducing to you Ollie Austin, PhD, Stephanie Ramirez, PhD, and Gerald Larson, PhD. Three scientists. That's as sciencey as this is getting. Okay, now I'll give you some background information. All three scientists work at a place called Bio Ventus.

Cristina: Sounds sciency.

Jack: Some sciency place. And they're science y people. It makes sense. My rabbit hole deep dive for science weirdness was checking out so far.

Cristina: Okay, so is this like a lab in Raccoon City or something?

Jack: No, I wish. That would definitely have been more along the lines of what I was looking for, but this is definitely more along the lines of Halloween. I supp. So all three scientists, now they all work in the same building. None of these three scientists know each other. It's a huge facility and they all have their own respective labs. The only commonality between these three individuals is that they are in their respective projects. The scientists tend to stay late. They're the hardest working of their teams or whatever. They don't know each other. They are totally opposite sides of the building.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Okay. Let us begin. This story takes place through their logs. I guess I'm not. I don't understand why they all have logs. I guess the facility requires anybody to log everything they do, I guess for science journal purposes or whatever.

Cristina: These are real logs.

Jack: These are real logs.

Cristina: People making things up.

Jack: No, no, no. These are logs by these scientists.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes. Yeah. So they're not like random people made these up. These are in certain reports by the facility. And these are all traceable logs that the scientists have made as part of their ritualized log keeping or whatever.

Cristina: Okay. Does it matter what kind of scientists they are to the story?

Jack: No, because the story has nothing to do with science. This is again, my search was on point until the story started to unravel.

Cristina: Is this the murder mystery? Should I guess?

Jack: Allow me to get through it.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: Okay. So on July 10th of 2012, a late night as usual for all three scientists. This is all according to their reports, and they all report at this very night a series of strange sounds. Now they're all coming from the hallway and they are all totally opposite sides of the building, but they all report directly Outside their door, strange sounds. They're unclear about what these sounds are.

Cristina: Okay. None of them actually look out their door. They just report the sounds.

Jack: It's unclear, based on these reports, whether they look outside. Okay, so we just know that they said, oh, strange noises outside, and the rest just continues as normal. Because they're supposed to log every step of everything they take. So every. Any item they use, any tool they use, any chemical they mix, every. Every time they walk across the thing to touch anything.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because all of this factors in to whatever the h*** they're working on. So they log that there was strange sounds, and then the log continues as normal. Now to clarify it, and then the scientists were working together or even on.

Cristina: The same project, but they're on the same floor.

Jack: Unclear. I know. They're opposite sides of buildings of the building. They could totally be one on a different floor or whatever. They're just not together.

Cristina: Okay, but the sounds is coming outside of their room. Not outside. Like, outside the building?

Jack: Yes, directly outside their door.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: All of them report that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes. Okay. Now, what's weird about this is since it's coming from their hall directly outside their door, and they're all opposite sides of the building, none of them report it came from the. You know, it didn't come from outside my window or whatever.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Presumably, the sound is coming from the dead center of the building.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Except somehow it's loud enough to hit all of them to the point that they think is directly outside your door. Yeah, but it happens at exactly 8:32pm.

Cristina: That'S not even that late.

Jack: It's late as h*** for somebody to still be at work. If you work nine to five.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: That's like, almost four hours into your work. Overtime.

Cristina: It would be more scary if it was in the ams.

Jack: Okay, yeah, whatever. Not the point.

Cristina: What happens next?

Jack: We'll find out. So 8:32, everybody reports that at this very moment, strange, anomalous, undistinguishable something sounds are happening. So the guy on the left says it came from the right, the guy on the right says it came from the left. The guy in the front says it came from the back, and the one in the back said it came from the front. There are only three people, but you get the image I'm trying to build. There's a location that it seems to be coming from, except it's equally loud. So, like, maybe it was outside of all their doors simultaneously. Now, they all put the. Put the sounds in their log and the following notes. The following notes after the sound were really weird and identical for all three scientists, which was they all felt dizziness, they all felt nausea, and they all felt, following the dizziness and the nausea, the eeriest feeling like they were being watched.

Cristina: I don't understand where the story is going.

Jack: I told you it's strange. And stop trying to anticipate it because it's not gonna go anywhere you'd ever expect. Really a hundred percent. The story is going nowhere. You think? Okay, it is too strange.

Cristina: Is it a sci fi story? At least.

Jack: We'Re gonna find out along the way.

Cristina: Okay, Okay.

Jack: I suppose my telling you would answer this.

Cristina: Okay, continue the story.

Jack: But again, they all logged the sound and they all have exactly the same notes following it. Nausea, dizziness. And I felt like somebody was watching me.

Cristina: Weird, okay?

Jack: Very, very weird. Now at this point I don't know what the f*** is happening because again, it be. Now I'm thinking alien abduction type of s***, right? Like it's totally going in that direction.

Cristina: But it's not.

Jack: We'll find out whether it is or not. Okay, but it's definitely how it feels. So far.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It a hundred percent feels like aliens are in your building and there's something that's causing the like nausea and the like dizziness, you know, alien radiation or you know, whatever the f****** people would make up. Like I'm sure if just up to this point, like people. The problem is, I know factually that people have made a thousand conspiracy theories stopping at this point, like ignoring the rest of it. They're like, well, clearly the rest of it is just a result of this. Aliens did that and then they hallucinated.

Cristina: The rest of it.

Jack: Yeah, you know, so that's immediately what I stumbled upon. So I'm like, oh, interesting. Let me dig deeper. But those fell apart quick because they literally just stopped at that point. They chose to stop at that point, but the story didn't stop at that point. They made conspiracy theories choosing a point that the story ends essentially. They're like, well, yeah, it was all aliens from that point, but let's, let's decide whether it's all aliens at that point.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Now this event began on July 10. So the scientists have daily logs that continued to get kind of weird and erratic following the events.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: On July 24, all three logs reported an extremely bright flash of light appearing instantly and disappearing from the hallway outside their respective labs, all simultaneously.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Weirdest part about this is they all reported that it happened at 8:32pm okay.

Cristina: What is happening at 8:32pm I don't know.

Jack: But this, it's already like, what the f***?

Cristina: And it's like a blink of a second. Like it's instant.

Jack: It's like, what, just a one shot and then it's gone.

Cristina: And then. Do they feel horrible again?

Jack: Well, following this, they didn't report that they felt any. Like, that never was mentioned again. The dizziness and the nausea.

Cristina: Okay. What?

Jack: Yeah, it was just like the one instant following the sounds, but this time it's a light and there's no report of like any sickness or anything. Okay, now like, what is happening there?

Cristina: And how many days is this after.

Jack: You said 10, and then this is 14 days later.

Cristina: 14 days later. Okay. Does it even matter the length of time? I don't know. Well, continue. Sorry.

Jack: I totally relate. Like, I, I don't know. I don't know. I. It's. You gotta understand, I'm baffled as h*** about this because I'm a very science minded person, which was the point of looking for weird sciencey things. And all I did was find scientists that are like reporting on s*** that just continues to break down. And I'm like, okay, so all of you essentially are describing alien abduction setup.

Cristina: Yes. Still sounds like it.

Jack: Dizziness, nausea. Next you got lights?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Like it's an alien, bro. It has to be, right?

Cristina: I don't know. Where's it?

Jack: And like the conspiracy theories land there. They're all saying aliens. Maybe. In fact, some of the conspiracy theories suggest that on the first time this happened on the 10th, that all three of them were abducted and that anything following this point was either fabricated by the aliens or them under control of the aliens. So they continued the reports just. Nor they continued going through the motions under alien control.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or that these are all hallucinations you're experiencing because of the alien experiments. Yeah, there's a plethora of things, but again, we're approaching this from a scientific. We're trying to be scientific. Even if everybody else who's looked at this immediately went into like tinfoil hat territory.

Cristina: It's hard not to.

Jack: It is so hard not to. Because of how immediately it looks like aliens.

Cristina: Yes. Especially when it's happening at the same exact time every time it happens directly.

Jack: Outside each of their door. Yeah, like that's, here's, here's the problem with this. If they all reported it directly outside their door, but there was a minute, two minutes, three minutes difference between one moment and the other, like one report and the other, then we'd be like, well, something is traveling the building no. Yeah, but it's instantly at the same moment everywhere.

Cristina: So it seems like they're being adopted. Aducted.

Jack: Abducted.

Cristina: Abducted, yes.

Jack: Well, let's find out. So on July 25, this is 15 days after the initial and one day after the bright light.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Totally different amount of time.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: All three reports say a female scream echoed through the halls of the facility at the same time at exactly 8:32pm.

Cristina: Okay, we have a sound, but you don't know what the sound is. It's just some weird.

Jack: Some. They couldn't describe it. It was too foreign to them.

Cristina: Was there a color to the light?

Jack: Just a bright white flash.

Cristina: White flash. And now a scream.

Jack: Now a female scream that they claim echoed through the facility. Now, both Ollie and Gerald investigated immediately. They just jumped into action. Somebody's in the building getting hurt.

Cristina: Okay, cool.

Jack: They ran the halls and did not find a female at all. Also, this is the first time these two scientists meet because they're like, they couldn't. They corroborate the fact that they both heard the s***.

Cristina: Oh, crap. So are they all three gonna meet in the story?

Jack: Find out.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: So they meet and they find nothing. They got, you know, I'm assuming they got like a. A buddy cop story or. Not buddy cop, but, you know, like, buddy story. Yeah, we meet in the thing and we go on a flashlight adventure of finding where the scream came from. Who's the guy behind the mask? Scooby, Help us. So, you know that kind of s***. Except they find nothing. They're like, well, I guess somebody played an audio clip or some s*** really loud. But, like, bro, you're way over there. Yeah, dude, you're way over here. So the reports essentially claim that they met each. Because they have to report everything. So the reports claim they met each other and they heard the same sound and they looked for it. And I guess they came to the conclusion that maybe somebody, before leaving the building, played an audio clip or something or was listening to something weird as they walked around the building that allowed both of them to hear it. They don't understand themselves why it happened at exactly the same time at this. Different sides of the building. That's also included as, like, a weird cliff note of like, okay, that happened for real. I guess I'm not going crazy. The other guy said he heard it.

Cristina: Yeah, but do you know if they talked about the past events to each other?

Jack: No, that was not mentioned at all. I do not know if they discussed this. They. They put just the details that mattered about the event. That happened that night.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then meeting the other person. Okay, that night. Now, while these two guys investigated and they found nothing, the following day, the female, Stephanie Ramirez, was reported missing.

Cristina: What? Wait, did she. She did not write about the woman screaming.

Jack: She wrote about the woman screaming. All three wrote about the woman screaming. Talk about the woman screaming.

Cristina: And then the next day, she's just gone.

Jack: She's just gone. She was never found again. Let me clarify. There was no body to this woman. There was no trace of this woman. This woman ceased to f****** exist that day. Never found again.

Cristina: But she wrote about that. And then she wrote about the rest of her work. Like they would go back and finish their job. Or did she disappear the moment she heard the woman scream?

Jack: No, she heard the woman scream. She continued her work. She did not go investigate. Yeah, she continued. She finished her night, and that was it. And that's the last we ever heard of her. That report. Exactly.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: What the h***? Because you think woman scream. Okay. She yelled because they, too, went to investigate.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Except no. Her report also had a female screen.

Cristina: Yeah. What is happening?

Jack: You see how this is quickly breaking down?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If it was that, this is the moment that I dropped the alien shtick. Because if it's aliens, it was her screaming. It would have been her screaming. Also important detail.

Cristina: What?

Jack: These are the only three people in the building other than janitors. This is a fact.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: This is all. Everything in this building is monitored at all times. This is why the LODs are important.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Everything is monitored at all times. Janitors all walk where there's cameras. What's weird is, in later interviews, the janitors were questioned about the event. They got no. They didn't hear s***. They didn't see s***. This is not happening to the janitors.

Cristina: They have cameras everywhere, though.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Did they see her leave?

Jack: No. The cameras are not allowed in the lab rooms. The cameras are in hallways, which is why the janitors aren't allowed in the rooms. They're only allowed in the hallways.

Cristina: But no one saw her leave the room.

Jack: No one saw her leave the room.

Cristina: She finished her work and then disappeared in that room.

Jack: Disappeared in that room. She never stepped outside.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Let me also clarify. Not every inch of everything has a camera on it. Like, there's not a camera aiming at her door.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: You know, there are many cameras to make sure people don't leave with s***. There are many cameras making sure people don't enter private, like, classified areas.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But there isn't a camera in every inch of the building. Because a lot of it is.

Cristina: Well, that's really hard to imagine that someone like, knew where all the cameras were to sneak around and grab her or some crazy.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. They would be caught somewhere. Yeah, one camera caught them. But the weird part is the fact that no janitor ever heard s***. No janitor ever saw s***.

Cristina: But this isn't where the story ends, is it? No.

Jack: Now there's story keeps going.

Cristina: Oh my gosh, it's crazy. Sorry.

Jack: So, yeah, this lady was never found.

Cristina: Wait, this is a day after the scream, right?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She's reported missing the day after the scream. Presumably she went missing the day of the scream. Yes, that's the. The conclusion to be made here now. Okay. On the following day, the day that the scientist lady is reported missing, the day Stephanie is reported missing, both Ollie and Gerald are still working late. They always work late. That's their thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Both of them report a female scientist roaming the halls crying. And both of them immediately try to chase and find out what the f*** they think. That's the same voice they heard before screaming. The screaming voice. Now there's a chick crying and they see her when they run outside. Unclear. At the distance, turning the corner.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They get to the corner too quick for her to go anywhere and there's nobody there.

Cristina: And they write that down.

Jack: They put that in their logs. They have to log everything.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now in both of these cases, the corner had a camera. Okay, around the corner. And all you see is the scientist guys is the scientist guys rushing to the corner and nothing more. But both of them put the same thing at opposite sides of the building.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. What is happening?

Jack: H*** is going on?

Cristina: I don't know. It sounds like aliens and ghosts. I don't know.

Jack: All at the same time.

Cristina: All at the same time.

Jack: Yeah, all at the same time. Look, I have no idea what the h***'s going on. Not even. Not even a little. Again, I don't know what to think. Sci. Is it a sci fi f****** problem or is it a paranormal issue?

Cristina: And they still go to work late after this point.

Jack: Well, it's their job. They gotta. Because they're science minded. They think there's explanations.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: In fact, Cliff notes with theories in their logs.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: As to maybe I inhaled chemicals from what I'm working on.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And it's causing the hallucination again. They don't. Other than the one scream time, they don't like really go into detail. They're working on things they don't tell each other. All the details. So they don't know that the other person experienced the whole array of things. They just know the one thing. That's it. So they don't realize there's no way that guy inhaled the same thing you did that could you both hallucinating the same thing. That doesn't check out. That doesn't check out. That makes zero sense.

Cristina: No, no. But they don't know.

Jack: They don't know. So they just think you know some. So first I heard the thing and maybe it was real, but maybe it was just something small again, like music or something. But I'm hallucinating. I am experiencing a form of distress that's leading my brain to exaggerate certain things. Maybe the working consistently at nights is causing the. Whatever, blah, blah, blah. They're trying to rationalize it.

Cristina: Yeah, but did they watch those cameras or was that something that happened after.

Jack: That's way later.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's way later.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So again, they both go and investigate this woman, and there's nobody there. She's just gone around the corner.

Cristina: Okay, before you get to the next part though.

Jack: Got you.

Cristina: The cameras don't hear anything, don't see anything.

Jack: The cameras have no audio?

Cristina: No. Oh, they don't have audio.

Jack: Just video.

Cristina: Video. Okay. They didn't see the flash then the.

Jack: Flash never showed up.

Cristina: They just see these men running.

Jack: They just see these men running around the corner.

Cristina: That's it. Okay.

Jack: And both halls, the cameras around the corner.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Neither of their doors is visible to a camera. But the corner that they took off in, which also now that you bring this up, why did she happen to go in the direction both instances that there's a camera? Weird. I did not think about that before, but now I'm thinking about like she turned basically the identical corner, opposite sides, building.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So that they would both be visible around the camera. What a weird coincidence. I didn't think about that before, but that's very ghostly.

Cristina: Like she's still. She's doing the same thing at the same time.

Jack: It would be very ghostly if it was in the same spot.

Cristina: Yes, that's true.

Jack: It. So it makes me so much more uncomfortable that this happened in two sides of the building. Because it would just be ghost story if it was in one spot.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that's way easier to digest.

Cristina: It's two spots.

Jack: Yes. This story makes me so uncomfortable because of like the middle ground between science and paranormal that's happening.

Cristina: Okay, what happens next?

Jack: Well, following these events on the 28th.

Cristina: That'S what like two days later.

Jack: No, actually this is the 27th. Yes. So they both saw the female roaming, crying, chase to investigate, whatever. And the next day on the 27th, the same event happens here.

Cristina: Lady scream.

Jack: They see and they hear crying.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Except this time only Ollie investigates. He's still like, there's. There's something weird, man. He's getting f***** with. His head is not right. He's like, dude, I gotta see. While Gerald continues to work. He's like, I am clearly losing my mind. It is the late nights doing this to me. I'm just gonna put my head down, keep working and ignore it. July 28, Gerald is reported missing. And he is never f****** found again.

Cristina: He's the one that stayed working.

Jack: He's the one who kept working. He is never found again. There's no trace of this person either.

Cristina: It's like ghosts are trying to help them escape the aliens. Or something.

Jack: Something, something is f****** happening.

Cristina: Trying to get them out of the room.

Jack: It's trying to get them. Yes, that's my same conclusion. Exactly right. That's my exact conclusion. There's something trying to get them out because whatever is in the room with them is worse.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's a f***** up story, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't know what's happening. And it's. It's legitimately scary. I'm telling you. Like, this is an uneasy situation. I don't easily get scared. I was looking for science and I found just something really uncomfortable. Really ridiculously uncomfortable.

Cristina: Yeah. This is so crazy.

Jack: And it's like I don't. I really don't know what to think so far, man. Because it feels like you go outside and you're safe.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: If you don't, you're just gone.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The very first instant somebody's gone. The only person who didn't investigate. Everybody continues investigating regularly. They're perfectly fine. But the moment they stop, gone without a f****** trace. What the h*** is happening?

Cristina: I don't know. Okay, so what happens next? Cuz there's one more guy. I'm assuming there's this pattern forming. He's gonna disappear. Right.

Jack: Well, first I want to really just try to understand this. There are patterns, but let's review the events. We hear a female scream and we have Ollie and Gerald go and investigate. They see nothing. Or maybe they investigate. I have. No, no, see, here's the problem. Unless we have to assume. We have to assume they investigated the first time and just didn't report on that. But they have to report everything they do so they wouldn't.

Cristina: You Said they did investigate the scream. I thought the only one that didn't investigate the scream was a lady.

Jack: Was that. Okay, so they did investigate the scream, Right?

Cristina: Yeah, they did.

Jack: No, because I know they all heard the scream.

Cristina: They investigate. They didn't. The first thing that happened was some sound. And they didn't investigate the sound.

Jack: Yes, that. My bad. That's okay. That's what I was trying to get to screw the scream. The sound. Yes. You see, this is my point. This is immediately f******. Because I'm trying to wrap my head around all of it. The sound. None of them investigated the sound?

Cristina: No.

Jack: None of them were missing or they all investigated the sound, didn't report on it. But they have to. That's sort of the rule here. They have to report on it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because everything else is reported on. We have to assume everything is reported on. The fact that there's no. Say I left my room and looked.

Cristina: Yeah. They just heard a sound, didn't investigate. Saw light, didn't investigate.

Jack: And nothing happened to them other than the first time with the sound. Them getting sick.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the pattern. There's no real pattern here.

Cristina: No.

Jack: It feels like there is. And then like really you look at it and there isn't. Because nobody investigated the sound. As far as we know.

Cristina: But that's probably why they got sick.

Jack: Why didn't anybody missing?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: And why didn't the sickness ever get mentioned again?

Cristina: I don't know. That's true.

Jack: Why? Why do we have two missing people without a trace? But then before. No. Unless it's the fact that all three of them didn't. Maybe one at a time. Because that's what happened with the scream. One of them didn't and then went missing. Then following again. One of them didn't and went missing. It's the only pattern we have. Whatever's taking them couldn't, in theory take all of them simultaneously. It could only take the straggler.

Cristina: Yes. So that means the guy that's by himself. There's no way.

Jack: Because he's the only one.

Cristina: Because he's only. Unless he runs out if something weird happens again. Unless nothing weird is gonna happen.

Jack: But also the facility is compartmentalized. Other than them running and crossing paths, they don't know s*** about anybody else.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So they're not even getting filled in about this other crap. They don't know what the h*** is happening. They don't even know this other chick is just missing.

Cristina: They must know that.

Jack: No. It's a really top secret part of the facility, they work on really secretive stuff.

Cristina: So some secret experiment is on the loose.

Jack: I mean, I guess it could in theory be that, but it doesn't seem like they're working on some kind of creature of any sort. It seems like, you know, maybe medicine or some s***, and they're just not revealing what it is.

Cristina: I don't know, like, the place in Resident Evil was doing medicine.

Jack: Yeah, but these reports are, like, full reports. They would be talking about, oh, the creature got out or something. Like, somebody would know.

Cristina: Oh, someone else would write that.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. It would make sense to some. Like, at some point, Something like somebody would be like, oh, well, we're not gonna talk about this because, you know, it was the f****** monster we made.

Cristina: Yeah. Just.

Jack: Just erase the thing. So nobody knows, you know? But the logs are still there. There were people confused, trying to investigate, even working there.

Jack: But, like, what the h*** is going on? Then we have an instance of sounds. What the f*** are the sounds? None of you could determine the sounds? Okay, whatever. So some sound sounds, strange sounds. Literally one of the quotes is strange sounds. Like, that's as much as they can get your scientists. What the h***? Yeah, strange sounds, okay, but dizziness and.

Cristina: Nausea, how would that happen?

Jack: And, like, all three of you, how would that happen? How the f*** was the sound then?

Cristina: It was, I don't know, strange enough to get them sick. What?

Jack: Interesting enough. I wanted to investigate the sound and found kind of a lot of stories about people feeling nausea and dizziness in different scenarios following a strange sound.

Cristina: Oh, my God.

Jack: Unrelated to this, just some whole other. I was like, what kind of sounds could cause that? And in typing, like, okay, sound that can cause dizziness and nausea.

Cristina: So it's a common thing?

Jack: Well, no, it's just all other weird.

Cristina: Oh, it's just weird stories?

Jack: Yeah, it was just weird, like, Reddit stories and s***. People like hearing sounds and then, oh, I'm sick suddenly. But these professional scientists all kind of wrote the same thing in, like, an official log, which then makes me question, like, these people on Reddit aren't that crazy. Maybe they really experience that s***, and we're just over here like, you're a f****** nutjob. But then these scientists are like, no, that really happened.

Cristina: But we can't even compare the sound with because we don't know what the f*** the sound is.

Jack: Weirdly enough, in these Reddit f****** stories, the same instant, a totally anomalous, indistinguishable sound leads to the nausea and dissonance.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They cannot tell what the sound is, but neither can these scientists. But the result is the same sickness or something. Yes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: My question is why this and then no result? And why the flash and no result? The only pattern is one of them didn't get involved.

Cristina: Yeah, so far that seems like the only pattern.

Jack: Yeah, but also, let's say ghosts. Then what the h*** with the sound and what the h*** with the flash? That's so alien.

Cristina: I don't know. Are you sure? I feel like if we investigate some.

Jack: Ghost stories, we'd find flashing lights and weird sounds. Yeah, probably. Yeah, yeah, yeah, probably. But then the problem with a ghost is the echo nature of it. It shouldn't be in three places at once. It should be in one spot repeating the same s***. Yeah, that kills the ghostliness.

Cristina: That's very strange.

Jack: Creepy a** story, right? Yeah, it's so messed up. Okay, so on the 28th, Gerald is reported missing and he is never heard of again. His report, just like Stephanie's, ends with him working, finishing the workday.

Cristina: That's it?

Jack: That's it. Just no more Gerald.

Cristina: Whoa. What's happening? Doesn't like you would expect that it would happen instantly, but no, they still finish the day off like nothing.

Jack: On the 29th, nothing. Nothing happened.

Cristina: Nothing happened.

Jack: Nothing happened. We have a bunch of days back to back, and then they have nothing.

Cristina: How long until something happens?

Jack: The 30th. Two days later.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: On July 30th, a police report states a call came from Bioventus facility from an Ollie Austin claiming that the power to the building. It's a science facility, very important. It has backup generators.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The power to the building was cut off. Should not have happened to the entire building.

Cristina: To the entire building.

Jack: To the entire building. And then he was attacked. Everything got pitch black. Dark, dark, dark, dark. He can't see s***. And he was attacked.

Cristina: He told them he was attacked.

Jack: He told them he was attacked. And his lab was destroyed, but nothing was stolen.

Cristina: He lived, though, or did he disappear?

Jack: He's totally fine. He was just beat up.

Cristina: They got there, but the lights were working, weren't they?

Jack: When they got there, the lights were fine.

Cristina: The lights were fine. So he imagined it. Not imagined it, but what he was experiencing. The rest of the building wasn't like all the other events.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: These events are just happening to him.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes. Because later questioning of the janitor's report, none of this ever took place. Yeah, they didn't experience anything.

Cristina: And there's no way to know if there was anything in that room that destroyed it. It just Looks like he did it.

Jack: Yes. And the cameras, again, that did exist at no moment cut off and did not see any power outage.

Cristina: Okay, I didn't see him being attacked or anything, but he was in the room while it happened.

Jack: He was in the room while it happened?

Cristina: Yes, while it happened. He didn't hear a sound or flash or anything.

Jack: No lights go out. Something f***** him up.

Cristina: And the whole room.

Jack: Yeah, something destroyed that room. S*** was thrown everywhere and broken everywhere.

Cristina: But when they investigate, like how he's hurt and whatever, does it look like he did it to himself or does it look like he was attacked?

Jack: It looks like he was attacked. Okay, now because here's the craziest part about this. Why the. Why his work?

Cristina: What is his work?

Jack: What is his work? At no point is it specified what his work is. Again, there's a bunch of classified s*** happening in there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now we come back to what you were talking about. I don't think something broke out, but definitely they were working on something maybe they shouldn't have and something with much more power decided, this is probably a bad idea. Now I kind of come back to aliens. But then, what the f*** is with the crying lady? Now the sounds and the flashing lights are just aliens. Like, stop f****** doing what you're doing. But then what's up with the lady? Yeah, and if they're all working on different things, what the f***?

Cristina: Why are they being attacked?

Jack: Why did two of them go missing? And why was his lab destroyed?

Cristina: Yeah, but does he end up going missing? Is this the end of the story? This isn't.

Jack: No, this isn't the end of the story. He's perfectly fine other than getting beat up. I said he's totally fine.

Cristina: He's still gonna work late, though. After this moment, he's like, yeah, whatever. I survived. I'm gonna continue working late.

Jack: Sure, why not?

Cristina: What?

Jack: Sure, why not?

Cristina: Sure, why not?

Jack: Yeah, of course he didn't go back to the building. What? Of course. That's crazy.

Cristina: Okay? Wondering, like, all these other events and he was like, whatever, I' continue working.

Jack: Yeah, but now he got. He has physical proof.

Cristina: Okay. And then he finally stops.

Jack: Yeah, obviously no human after that point is gonna be, like, nuts. Totally in my head. I'm going back to my facility. What is he gonna work on if his s*** is destroyed? Yeah, what is he going back to? Nothing. There's nothing. There's nothing. It's all destroyed. His lab is destroyed. He got beat up. There's no reason for him to go back. Except he does. But not Even the work. Because on August 3, a police report claims that.

Cristina: What did he do? He burned the building. Now.

Jack: Well, he called claiming he was being followed. Oh, yeah.

Cristina: And his. Before he got to the building or when he went back to the building? Like, why did he go back to the building?

Jack: Well, that's unclear until we get to August 4th, where there's a police report claiming that they got a call from Bioventus, from one of the janitors. Okay, this is where this breaks down so hard, and I'm traumatized.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: So Ollie Austin is found dead. He's not missing. He's found dead.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Totally mutilated, but he did it to himself. He's covered in blood, and his notes are written on the walls, crazy person style, okay? In scientific notation using both pencil and blood. And his own blood, of course. Yep. What the f***?

Cristina: And the two other bodies? No, there's no.

Jack: There's no other bodies.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Like, I thought eventually they'd find those bodies.

Jack: No, no, no. I said specifically. These people were never found.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They were never found. They cease to exist to this day.

Cristina: I don't understand why he was different.

Jack: I don't understand either. I don't understand why any situ. There's no pattern.

Cristina: There really is no pattern.

Jack: There's no pattern. Random horror s*** going on.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What the f*** is happening in this building, bro?

Cristina: Yeah. Did anyone piece what he was writing or whatever?

Jack: It's just his notes. It's just the work he was doing.

Cristina: Just work. Oh, okay.

Jack: Just the work he was doing what?

Cristina: In his room, though, in the hallway? Like, where was he found exactly?

Jack: He was found in his lab.

Cristina: In his lab, which.

Jack: There was no reason for him to go back. There was nothing in his lab. It was all destroyed.

Cristina: When he was being followed. He was calling from the building, though.

Jack: I'm unclear on that. It just says that. There's a report saying that he was being followed. I think headed towards the building.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: We're leaving the building. I'm not entirely sure it was the previous day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, Ollie's last log from this night claimed to have met a fellow scientist.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Again, this story makes me so uncomfortable. Keep in mind, there's no reason for him to be in the building.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's no reason for him to make a log.

Cristina: But he does.

Jack: But he does. On the fourth, he makes a log like nothing happened. Normal. Just normal. Everyday thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Ollie's last log claims that he met a Stephanie Ramirez in the hallways and that was it. That's the lady who went missing.

Cristina: I know that. I know that, but. And.

Jack: And they both searched for the source of a scream. The end.

Cristina: The end.

Jack: The end.

Cristina: That's such a horror story.

Jack: So he met somebody who was missing that he had never met before.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Looked for a scream with her. With her. That is very similar to what he experienced with Gerald.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: He doesn't report whether you found anything or anything. It's just. He's just found f****** self mutilated dead. There's nobody else of these two individuals ever found. Janitors experienced anything. Camera' caught nothing. The end.

Cristina: It makes no sense.

Jack: Incredibly uneasy. This story makes me.

Cristina: That's the end of the story.

Jack: That's the end of the story. There's nothing else on this.

Cristina: I don't understand.

Jack: I don't understand either.

Cristina: And people still work at this building. This building's still a building that's being used to do stuff in.

Jack: Yeah. So on official reports, this is put down. Now the two missing people are again, there's no body, there's no nothing. There's different claims. There's no death.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So whatever. Scientists working on crazy s***, they run away all the time. Maybe they're working on something they shouldn't have. Whatever. So these reports are easy. The Ollie one, you know, scientist loses his mind, you know, takes his own life type s***. Okay, so none of the other scientists who also don't know any of the other scientists other than the people who work in their respective labs have anything to fear about coming back to work. It looks on paper like scientists down the hall working on something crazy went crazy. Typical science. Okay, the people, this, Ali's personal team, they have their own notes. They just rebuild and work.

Cristina: Okay, well, but like after this, no one stayed late in that building. These are the only scientists who ever stay late in that building.

Jack: There were other scientists that stayed late around this period. Is just these three people.

Cristina: Just these three people that experienced these events?

Jack: No, it's just these three people who are single at the point where these events were happening.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: July and August of 2012.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Only these three sciences were regularly sting late.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: And obviously before and after crap ton of scientists, I'm sure have stayed late. But there's nothing if they have, there's nothing related to this.

Cristina: I don't understand what this story is.

Jack: I don't either. The fact that it's so unclear is what makes it horrible, horrifying. We can't just be like, oh, it's a ghost. That's what's scary about the story.

Cristina: I don't. Yeah. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, it's. I don't know where to point. I don't know what to think. That's what makes it so uneasy. Was it aliens? Was it. Was it ghosts? What the h*** is going on?

Cristina: Yes. Like he sees the girl and she's like, hey, I heard that sound too.

Jack: Yes. What now? Who. What the. Is the girl sound? What's the screaming woman thing?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: So many parts. Flashing lights, anomalous sounds, screaming. Two missing people and a person who hurt themselves after they were attacked and the lab was destroyed. What is the line that cuts through all of this?

Cristina: Is there an. I don't know. There's no explanation.

Jack: Just random s*** that happens for two months.

Cristina: That's so weird because there's other people there too. The janitors, you say? And nothing.

Jack: The janitors were in the building late.

Cristina: Yeah. And nothing.

Jack: Nothing.

Cristina: What could have happened?

Jack: And the theories just conspiracy nonsense. And the official explanations are for this, for Ollie is that scientists went crazy. And for Stephanie and Gerald are they potentially ran away because they're working on some thing that they shouldn't have or they stole data to go sell or whatever the case because it's again, a bunch of classified stuff. And this kind of stuff typically happens where somebody takes a thing. You could sell it for a crap ton of money. Just leave the country, give to like China or something. There's a bunch of that going on.

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know. This is such a weird story. So weird. No good explanation.

Jack: No good explanation.

Cristina: What? It's just so weird. Just trying to understand the story is hard.

Jack: Yeah, it's weird and choppy. There's no, like, what does this have to relate with that. Yeah, that's all we need to do in this.

Cristina: This. Holes everywhere.

Jack: Yes, exactly. If. If one thing was consistent.

Cristina: The time is consistent.

Jack: The time is consistent. But what the h*** does that mean?

Cristina: Does that mean.

Jack: What the h*** does that mean?

Cristina: Alien.

Jack: What is 8:32? Well, no, the time is very ghost. Aliens do crap at the same time. Ghost do, because echo, it's the same thing at the same time. That checks out with ghost and the like crying lady. Very typical ghost s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Even the scream. We could chalk off the ghost s***.

Cristina: Yeah, a lot of it is ghostly. But at the same time. No, because it's all happening at the same time.

Jack: Yes, but like, I think this leans harder to ghosts than anything else too.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like we have to say we have to break some ghost rules here. In order to keep a ghost. The fact that it's not an isolated direction, but rather somehow outside everybody's door. I don't know why, but it's. It's the case.

Cristina: Yeah. Just a ghost that's doing the same thing to everyone around it first. But only specifically these three scientists.

Jack: Yes, because that's weird. Yes, because the janitor's there too.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And a ghost wouldn't give a. With somebody working on. Yeah, like, unless these things led to somebody's death. Interesting.

Cristina: That could be something.

Jack: And then this is a revenge ghost. But again, all three. It breaks down because all three projects are different.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: They aren't working on the same thing.

Cristina: But it only happens in the room.

Jack: And it only happens in the room. Nothing happens outside the room.

Cristina: Except when he met Stephanie. That was outside the room.

Jack: Yes. And when they followed the girl around the corner. Yes, that happened inside the room.

Cristina: They saw her, but they weren't in the hallway at the same time as her. At least I don't think, like they saw her turn that corner. But they weren't, were they? Did they?

Jack: Okay, fair enough. Fair enough. I'm assuming they saw her turn the corner, but they actually saw her walk past her door and they run outside. And there's only one direction she could have gone around the corner.

Cristina: Yeah. So it seems like so far everything.

Jack: Has happened from inside the room.

Cristina: Yes. Except for that last part.

Jack: Unless they never left the room.

Cristina: Unless he never left the room.

Jack: Unless he never left the room.

Cristina: Which makes also sense.

Jack: That means he's going crazy in that room. Which would also explain the self mutilation. And he tore apart the room.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So the assumption here is none of this is happening. All of this is in their head. Easy to say ghost. Easy to say alien because you don't need anything else. It's all in their heads.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But then the problem again, everything has. There's a hole being poked by the story at all times. Yes, because what the h*** happens to the other two?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Why? What decided who gets taken and how? So if none of them really ran outside, because it's all happening in their heads, why did she go first? Why did he go second? Why didn't he go at all? There's like, rules and the rules break themselves.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. Like, some of it makes sense, but then. Yeah, it doesn't make sense, really.

Jack: No, it doesn't. This is probably the most horrifying thing I've ever read because of how confusing it is. It's kind of like when you first watch Paranormal Activity without knowing that it's totally bullshit.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And you're like, what the f*** is happening? It can't.

Cristina: It feels like it's happening in their rooms, though. But it's weird because none of their rooms are next to each other, either exact. Well, that's the only explanation. It's just something that's in the room.

Jack: Yes. Now, when Geralt and Ollie ran outside their rooms. Here's the problem. They logged that and they talked to each other. They met the other person.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Alternatively, maybe they f****** didn't because Ollie met somebody who's been missing.

Cristina: That's true. So they might not have met each other.

Jack: You see why this story immediately gets even more uneasy?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then if he didn't meet Geralt when he ran outside and Geralt didn't meet Ollie, what the f*** did they see? Because it's just as likely that it wasn't. Because, again, Ollie met Stephanie, who's been missing. So you didn't really need Stephanie for Ollie to meet Stephanie, which means you don't really need Geralt for Ollie.

Cristina: They might not have ever left the room.

Jack: Never left the room.

Cristina: It's just like that's where their mind took them. If that's what's happening. But who knows?

Jack: But, you know, they could have just been going crazy and there's something making them go crazy.

Cristina: Whatever that first event was that made them feel sick.

Jack: Yes. Interesting angle to take, because maybe there's some toxin in the building. But again, the problem is it's. Janitor. Yes. Maybe there's vents. No, because it would lead everywhere. Vents would lead everywhere. Why would the vents only lead to their rooms and not to the hallways?

Cristina: That's true. Maybe this is some revenge story. Maybe there is this evil scientist guy who's like, I gotta get rid of these scientist people.

Jack: It could totally be. It could totally be that they are being poisoned. Because again, it seems to be happening in their rooms.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So something could have been put in their rooms. But then why three different scientists working on different things? These three scientists must have had a connection to one individual.

Cristina: Yes, because they are working with each other. Even if they're not really working with each other, they're.

Jack: They work for the same company.

Cristina: Yes, that's it. Yes. But there's gotta be some connection. They know each other. Not know each other, but, like, by. Like, I know this scientist who knows that scientist who knows that one who knows you.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: They have connected in some way.

Jack: Yeah, like seven degrees of separation.

Cristina: Exactly. So there has to be someone that knows all three of them.

Jack: I guess. But then what's up with that?

Cristina: I don't know. Because we still have two people that are missing.

Jack: Yes. We got two people that are missing. This story is messed up because a guy met somebody who's missing, which takes away. No. Okay. No, it can't be. It can't be. It can't be. And I'm gonna tell you why this is broken. We're not even thinking about it. And it's the most obvious part. How is he gonna go crazy and report the exact name of somebody missing who he's never met?

Cristina: He has to have heard about the name. There's no way he didn't hear about the missing people in the building. Even if he doesn't know those people, there's no way no one was talking about the missing people.

Jack: Okay, let me break this conclusion for you. How did Gerald meet Ollie and Ollie meet Gerald and they report having met each other.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You see the problem?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There was nobody missing out of those two.

Cristina: No.

Jack: They were in the building at the.

Cristina: Same time they were.

Jack: And they allegedly met.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: According to their own notes.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they confirm each other by name. Did they not meet? And how the f*** did they get the name? Right. But that means they did leave the rooms. Unless they didn't. But how the h*** did they. So then we're back to ghost. How is this ghost pretending to be the opposite person being in the room? And like, what's happening in the room?

Cristina: Or if it's aliens and they're not really in the hallways in those moments, but like in the spaceship next to each other. They just don't know it.

Jack: Oh. Oh, I didn't think about that at all. This is during the abduction. The whole everything is happening in the building is also part of the illusion.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They made up the building in your mind after they took you out of it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or before they took you out of it. They project the building. They take you. You don't realize you're gone. And maybe you're connected to a Matrix esque thing that's showing you the building.

Cristina: Man, that kind of makes sense.

Jack: Yeah. So then we're back to. You see how crazy this is? And it jumps from aliens to go back and forth and it's like we don't know what the h***'s going on.

Cristina: Well. But the alien ones kind of make sense. Yeah.

Jack: Now we're starting to ground it a little. Right? Yeah. We're bringing our job. Look, the Internet has struggled with this one, we're bringing it home.

Cristina: But they brought it to aliens, too.

Jack: They brought it to aliens. Yeah. That was the main conclusion. Everybody went to aliens.

Cristina: It's hard because. Yeah, like aliens. Because, yes, they. They're doing more than just taking you to their ship. They've got. If they got technology to have a ship in the first place, they can have an illusion.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. They can have a super. So the fact that they traversed space at all, they have a super sophisticated projection that could convince the f*** out of you, there's no question.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They need enough energy to traverse space.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They can convincingly project the universe.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They have to be able to. That's way less energy. It takes way less energy to do that. You just gotta fool somebody's senses. That's it.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. So.

Jack: And maybe the weird sound and the weird flashes are. Because Maybe it's not a. Maybe it's not a perfect illusion.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: These are just the cracks.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The glitches here and there.

Cristina: Yeah. And the lady screaming could have been stuffing it. She just didn't know.

Jack: Yes. Yes. And somehow the feedback came back to her too.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Because she's also in some weird. Whatever they're in. In that moment.

Jack: Yes. Yes.

Cristina: Feel right? I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. Well, point is, the s*** makes me hella uneasy. It's so weird. It's a very horrifying story.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What, and it had nothing to do with science?

Cristina: No.

Jack: This story was me trying to replicate the cola. Super deep borehole. And, you know, weird science crap, I can investigate. But no, it didn't take me to weird science crap. It took me to scientists experiencing weird crap.

Cristina: The weirdest.

Jack: The weirdest, weirdest crap. And also, no. It's so tame. But something about the tameness is more horrible.

Cristina: It builds up to something horrifying.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah, it definitely escalated with time.

Cristina: Yeah. Like that ending. What?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Also the missing people and, like, haunting itself.

Jack: Why did he meet a missing person? Why did he meet a missing person? Why did he paint the walls with his equations? That's another, like, weird. Like, what, dude?

Cristina: Because he was still working. I guess it makes it feel like aliens. Feels like he.

Jack: He's on autopilot.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh, there's nothing in the lab. So he's still working. Malfunction. That's so much scarier, bro. Like, his body is still. But that means he's still in the room and not connected to some s***.

Cristina: Yeah, because he malfunctioned. They put something in him. They investigate that body okay, so the.

Jack: Theory here would be the events happened of him getting abducted and whatever. And then they put him back. But they put him back broken. And then he continued to work on nothing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And covered the walls with his blood and pencil notations of all his equations.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because he's broken now.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And he killed him. I don't know why he killed himself in the process, but. Because he's broken.

Cristina: Because he's broken. Yeah. And they probably killed the other two. I don't know why. Or maybe they're not dead. No, because he saw her. So he might have saw her. Seen her when he was up there with them.

Jack: Yes. So they're just missing. They got abducted. Why didn't he? Why was he useless?

Cristina: Because he was broken. That's why they put him back. And then he killed himself.

Jack: There was something already wrong with him that they could tell.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: While the other two. There was nothing wrong with them. They could keep these. These are the good hosts. Let's keep them. That guy's no good. Return him, and then that whole thing happens. Yeah, I guess. I guess it checks out to some degree. I guess the Internet figured it out then. Tin foil hat was the way to go.

Cristina: Yeah, maybe.

Jack: I mean, it's the closest.

Cristina: It's the closest. I guess. Like, it's just such random.

Jack: Yes, it's. But if we talk glitch. And so the first couple of instances are just a. Faulty. They're establishing. They're starting to establish the signal that's gonna trap these people. That's why nobody went missing initially. You know, there's a couple of days between one point and another at the beginning, and then. Okay, consecutive days of crap happening, and the aliens are consistently picking at them, and then. Oh, no, that one's faulty. We can't seem to work around his problems. Leave that guy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The other two people must have been fine. But also, why do you need one at a time? Why is it only the one who stayed behind?

Cristina: Why is the only one that stayed behind?

Jack: Yeah. When she stayed behind, she got abducted. When he stayed behind, he got abducted. But then there's only one person. He's the last one. Did they want the people who didn't give a f***? She only got taken once she stopped. Well, she never gave a f***.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Or was too scared to do anything. And boom. Scooped up the other guy when he investigated. Nothing. But when he didn't. Gone. Why is it necessary that they don't? There's so many f****** holes, man.

Cristina: Maybe he was just not ready. Maybe they were Experimenting on them and like it didn't really matter who came first or not. Like they could have done it all at the same time.

Jack: It just happened to be coincidence that she stayed, then he stayed.

Cristina: Yeah, but maybe. I don't know. It's so weird. I don't know. There's so much weirdness happening.

Jack: Yep. So that's the Bioventus missing person's case.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: What? Not even that long ago, huh?

Jack: Not even that long ago. 2012. Well, 10 years ago.

Cristina: 10 years ago. Yeah. But stuff could happen like that again in that place. There's gonna be another scientist who's gonna stay.

Jack: There have been scientists who stayed late. Oh, this has only happened in that period, then over again. And some of this is piece from police reports. So. Yeah. Interesting.

Cristina: No, very interesting.

Jack: Very strange and very horrifying. One of the few things that has made me uneasy and it's because it's hard to like follow, sit together. It's so problematic.

Cristina: There's a story there. It's just like, what?

Jack: What is. Yeah, there's clearly a story. What is it? You know, that's real question.

Cristina: It's really happening. Is there something really happening?

Jack: I don't know, but yeah. So what do you think? Crazy, right?

Cristina: That is crazy. I don't understand.

Jack: Neither do I. So look, you've got a couple of creepy things here and there, you know, there's my breakdown of my personal creepy experiences relative to Clinton Road and trying to understand that and like bubble universes and whatever. So you can find all that stuff. We've got. There's a. Actually this is right up our alley. There's a bunch of horror s*** all over the place and a bunch of like weird instances and crap everywhere and creatures and like whatever you find all of that. All that. And if you need clips and crap, if you want to talk to us, you want to ask us questions or you want to have a converse, maybe you know something about this. Like, fill us. Fill in the blanks for us. You can find us to have those conversations on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram at justconvopod.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe and review the show.

Jack: Yes. Do all those things. Mainly review the show. Leave us some stars.

Cristina: Yes. And emojis. Always ghosts.

Jack: Yeah. Or alien.

Cristina: Or alien. I guess. Whichever you think happened.

Jack: Yeah, I guess I don't even.

Cristina: Ghosts coming out of alien ships. I don't know. Yeah, it's both. Alien. Ghost. Yeah.

Jack: And you know, let someone who might like the show know about it. Tell them, tell them if they like weird mysteries, if they like solving mysteries. This is like the mother of mysteries, bro.

Cristina: This is an unsolvable mystery.

Jack: This is unsolvable as h*** because there's too many parts missing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We literally don't have witnesses. We have footage saying none of this has ever happened. We got people in the building simultaneously who didn't experience any of it. And once the people left their rooms, they also had nothing to claim. Yeah, only while in their rooms. So, like, there's too many pieces missing. But if your homies like to solve mysteries, this is up there with, like, big problems to solve that you say like Bigfoot.

Cristina: Okay, I guess that's.

Jack: That's an overpowered mystery that no one has ever solved.

Cristina: Yeah, solve that one, too. This has been the right rambling podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks for listening. Bye. Tiny.

Jack: It's about the size, relatively speaking. Our actual planet size is about the size that Puerto Rico is to Earth is all we are to all of us. To the entire planet. Yes. So what Puerto Rico on our maps is to our observable planet is the size of the us to the actual planet.

Cristina: Man, I wish I could see that. That's a really ridiculous picture.

Jack: Crazy visual. Yeah. But it's more or less that same. It is a globe we're on. Like, the Earth isn't flat, it's round.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But the part of it that we exist on is quite arguably pretty flat, considering how much you got to go before you hit curvature, because it's so.

Cristina: It's so tiny.

Jack: It's a small section of something huge. So the curvature is so vastly flat that you wouldn't be able to tell.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 174: Alternative Civilizations

Is the universe identical across the board? Would other advanced civilizations have math as their baseline for all technological advancements? Is deception a biological trait? The duo decide to unpack whether scientists need to be better informed on how to find alien life in space as opposed to outright introducing them to alien life.

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Topics Discussed:

  • Language
  • Telepathy
  • Alternatives to Math
  • Religious Science
  • A World Without Fiction
  • The First Lie
  • Lying Dogs
  • Our Quantum Computer

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+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to subscribe so that you get notified the second new episode is early.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yeah, it's important that you, like, find somebody and you're like. You sit them down. You're like, hey, man, this podcast just conversation and talking is. The microphones. This is so I.

Cristina: And I. I'm not sure.

Jack: And I press going on and then plays. And you can hear them. And they're talking.

Cristina: But they're not making fun of people who have stutters.

Jack: No, because the stutter would be like, this is.

Cristina: And what were you doing before? It was very similar.

Jack: It's like a really nervous person talking.

Cristina: That's a NERV person.

Jack: Yes, like a person who's not a nervous person. They're more like a. Like somebody with schizotypal language, I guess. Like, their. Their linguistic patterns are of schizophrenia. Almost like they're trying to tell you, like, this. It's a podcast. And like. So I hit the. I hit play and like. And so on the. But they're. It's. But they're not here when they're talking. They're just over there. But you could. You could hear the speaker. The speaker. You can hear through the speaker. But they're not here. They're just talking over there. It's not live. It's in this. Recorded. There's. But it's. It's not. It's not live. And. And it is recorded. Probably not like, not like in a big studio or something. You know, it's probably. Probably the. Probably they just came together and, you know people.

Cristina: It's very close to the other thing.

Jack: It might. You know what? It might be a type of stutter.

Cristina: It might be. It could be pretty bad.

Jack: It could. It totally could be, man. Okay, here's a problem. He's a problem. He's a problem. He's a problem. His problem. He's a problem. His problem is a problem. I don't know.

Cristina: Do you have a stuttering problem?

Jack: No. What's crazy is people who do that. Is that a stutter, too?

Cristina: It might be because it's not like you're.

Jack: You're not stuttering in the word. The word isn't stuttered.

Cristina: It's repeating the word.

Jack: Yeah. That's why I'm not calling it a stutter. Because you're not stuttering the word.

Cristina: It feels like you're stuck on the word, and that makes it feel like a stutter. Even if you're not messing up the word, you can't move past the word.

Jack: So it's not moving past it. The. The base principle of stuttering.

Cristina: I'm saying yes now. I don't know.

Jack: So what if you're, like totally being racist and insulting the stutter race?

Cristina: That's not a race.

Jack: How do you know?

Cristina: I hope they don't see themselves as a race.

Jack: They probably do. And they see themselves superior to everybody.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because maybe they are. How do you know they're not?

Cristina: What if we're just equals? Why do one have to be better than the other?

Jack: They're faster, they're stronger, they're smarter, the cooler.

Cristina: All of that from. I don't know. Why. Why is that the case?

Jack: Did the master race.

Cristina: Obviously they're not a race. They're not a race.

Jack: You don't decide what a race is.

Cristina: I don't know what a race is.

Jack: To be fair, neither do I. Okay, but listen to me. My whole point in talking about stutterers and stuttering and the fact that stutterers tend to be stuttering is because. No, I was just thinking, like, we stutter because language and there's a certain thing happening in our brain that's not allowing the person who. It has to be neurological or something. Right. That's not letting the person get the word out efficiently, but they're still getting the word out. Neural pathways are there. There's just something happening.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't know if it's neurological or if it's some cognition based thing like motor functions. But regardless of what the case might be, there is something there. Now my question is, is this specific to language? So we have an alien race and they don't develop language.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But they have some other means of communication.

Cristina: Would there be a form of stuttering as well?

Jack: Like is a. Can a dog stutter in their communication to another dog?

Cristina: That is. I don't know.

Jack: Right, right.

Cristina: That is weird.

Jack: But if we take it to the next level and say maybe it's an advanced thought. We process a lot of thoughts in a very short period of time. Maybe it's advanced civilization kinds of things and it's just human. Particularly as a stutter, because it makes sense for us to be caught on some complex linguistic problem. So then the question would be, if we don't have language, could we have an equivalent of a stutter?

Cristina: I don't know, because I think of, like, sign language, and there's no way of stuttering for sign language. I think, like, you can mess up.

Jack: No. Well, I wouldn't. No, no, no. It's totally possible to have a stutter while doing sign language.

Cristina: How?

Jack: That's very interesting that you would bring that up. And I would have never thought about this otherwise. But if you have a repetitive tic of some sort and it, like, manifests itself as your. Maybe it's very physical. Like, very physical, and it happens to be in your hands and you sign in. Communicate also. D***, bro. You're both death. And you got this tick like your hand was crappy, but yeah, I guess you could stutter. Yeah, it's crappy. They. They got. Yeah, you're. The hand you were dealt is crappy and the hand you were crappy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So, like, it sucks to be you, bro. Yeah, you should. You're that person who should have been convincing yourself a long time ago. I think I should have been born without arms. And then you go through that surgery and get your arms detached, but then you get robot arms that are way.

Cristina: More efficient and somehow they stutter.

Jack: They don't stutter. I mean, I guess if they glitched. If they glitched, D*** computers stutter.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, they can get old and the technology is not advanced enough.

Jack: Yeah, s*** could stutter. But that's my point is stuttering. Because at the end of the day, language, linguistics and sign language is language.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Just signing words. Essentially, we're trying to convey the same information.

Cristina: Like animals stutter. Birds while they're singing end up stuttering. Although when people sing, they don't stutter. So I would assume it's not a bird problem.

Jack: My. Well, my thing would be let's move beyond the simplistic stuff and assume that there is something other going on in an intellectual mind. Can a life form from another place that never had language stutter in whatever means of communication they have? If they're doing telepathy, can your telepathic thoughts stutter? If you're trying to convey your emotions as they are, can you stutter and overemphasize something? Or can you. You're trying to show a sequence of images of places you've seen to convey a really complex thought that requires these images. Could you get stuck on an image?

Cristina: Could you get stuck on it?

Jack: You know, could you look at. Is there a lag?

Cristina: Like, wouldn't it be like a mess up? I don't know about an actual lag.

Jack: Yeah, it would be the perfect word. It would be the human lag equivalent if it was telepathy. Because you could stay on the wrong image too long and it's just because you're like failing to. And I guess we would. Right, because things that we don't even consider stutters are probably stutters.

Cristina: Like what?

Jack: Like if you are holding your keys and looking for them at the same time. Oh, is that a type of stuttering? That your brain is kind of like stuck?

Cristina: Yes. Like the lady holding the baby looking for the baby.

Jack: Yes, that's a weird. Like you're kind of stuck there. You're stuttering, you're lagging, you're lagging. The system is glitching.

Cristina: That is weird. Okay, so there's some real world things happening like that.

Jack: Yeah, it's so it's not linguistically alone. There is. Everything can get stuck somehow.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which goes to say that if there was an alien life form that did develop something elsewhere, totally different thing. That might not even be biology. Biology is the study of cells and anything that comes from it, Life and whatnot. If these life forms are made from like helium or some s*** and develop some other crazy way to communicate, they could still stutter in theory, however the f***. Yeah. Glitching is inherent. Yes, it's universal.

Cristina: But is it stuttering or is it just making a mistake? Like, what's the difference?

Jack: A mistake is something you could have done properly but didn't. As opposed to a stutter which is out of your control.

Cristina: Okay, I guess. I don't know. I can't even imagine what they would be doing that's different from language besides like animal sounds.

Jack: Yeah, well, yeah, it's. Of course we can't comprehend how something that one, we can't prove is even out there and two, they develop something we don't understand. We're supposed to conceptualize that thing that we can't conceptualize.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know there. People try to do it in movies, I'm guessing. I just can't think of any.

Jack: It's based on our already existing wealth of information, which is based on our own existence. So there's no way anything that that really happens out there would look remotely similar. Because everything is based on what we have already experienced anyways. Even our new unique, not language way of communication only came to our mind because of our current existing way of communicating how we think Affects how we. I mean, how we communicate affects how we think.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So does language. Which is precisely what they wouldn't have.

Cristina: So how would they communicate, though?

Jack: Yeah. We couldn't. We could never think about it.

Cristina: Don't worry.

Jack: There's no point. We could never. Because we'd have to come up with something that we couldn't come up with. Because we don't have the tools to come up with it. Because it would have had to take a path that we can't understand.

Cristina: Like, even if they were talking to each other from mind, like, telepathy is how it's called.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like, what would that sound like to us if we heard what? Like, would it make sense?

Jack: No, it wouldn't. It wouldn't be a sound. You're. No. It would look the way your thoughts look. Except you'd know they're not your thoughts. But my thoughts would be telepathy.

Cristina: Thoughts are complicated. I don't know, there's words sometimes images, other times.

Jack: Then it would play out like that.

Jack: It would. Whatever's necessary in your way of thinking. You'd think their thoughts. That's celebrity.

Cristina: But it would equal to my thoughts. It'll be similar. It will be understandable. Just because it'll be somehow trying to relate to something I've been thinking.

Jack: It wouldn't try to relate to something you've been thinking. You'd apply your already existing filters of life and experience to process the thoughts.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: And you'd also feel the emotions that go with it. That's why telepathy is so overpowered, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So you'd feel the emotions, you'd see the images, you'd hear the sounds, you'd. Every you. They're conveying to you the experience itself. There's nothing really for you to think about and be like, well, I didn't get it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: No, because the point is, you instantaneously understand. They sent you the experience and you're like, ah, I get it.

Cristina: Ah.

Jack: So, like, it transcends the need for language. If an alien who's mastered telepathy were to show up right now, although you couldn't send them the message, they could send it to you and you understand it perfectly.

Cristina: Okay. And if we ever do figure that out, at least with technology, would we be able to communicate like that or. They would have to. They would need the technology as well. Probably.

Jack: No. If they can already communicate telepathically, why, what would they need the technology for?

Cristina: To receive our. Because we don't really have the ability.

Jack: They can Read our minds. They're telepathic.

Cristina: Oh. Okay. I don't know how telepathy works. It's like. I thought they were just giving you information, but they're also taking information from you.

Jack: I'm assuming they could. Unless it's one way. Telepathy.

Cristina: Which.

Jack: That could be a thing.

Cristina: That's what I was thinking. I don't know.

Jack: I was thinking of just our generalized telepathy. We can communicate back and forth. So you don't really need telepathy.

Cristina: No.

Jack: To communicate to someone who has telepathy.

Cristina: Because they should be able to do it back and forth.

Jack: Yes. They should be able to take your thoughts and put thoughts in your head.

Cristina: Yes. Unless you learn how to protect your mind.

Jack: Yes. Like Professor X. Yeah. With his helmet. No, wait, it's Magneto. Magneto, Meant to protect himself from Professor X.

Cristina: Yes. Who's a monster.

Jack: No.

Cristina: No spying on everyone.

Jack: Who? Mac? Professor X?

Cristina: Yeah. He's a creep.

Jack: I mean, he's a creep. He's not a monster.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's interesting. I wonder. Man, there's so much weird s*** about. It Lands like, man, what if they took a different path? It wasn't. I'm always fascinated by that. Like, we have science and we call it science and whatever, and we'd call their stuff science. What if their s*** wasn't based on numbers? Like, what the f*** do we. What?

Cristina: Yeah, what.

Jack: What do we even do? At that point?

Cristina: It's pretty cool. I don't know.

Jack: We call it tech. We call it tech. A hundred percent. It shows up and we're like, oh, this is alien technology. Fine, fine. That makes sense. It's not. We're not wrong in calling it science and we're not wrong in calling it technology. It's exactly what we would call technology if we made it. And it's scientific now. How the is it? The question is, is it scientific? Right.

Cristina: Is it scientific?

Jack: Is it based on math?

Cristina: It has to be. I don't know. It doesn't have to be.

Jack: We think math is universal, but we also seek math in the universe and then find it. What if they're like, I don't know what the f*** math is. Never in my life have I heard about math. We just think logically and somehow have figured things out.

Cristina: That is crazy. I don't know what that would be like. That's crazy. That's really something. But I always like to think about the aliens that are. We can't even communicate. Not in any way. Like the moon, Water and the silent Sea. Yes, that's pretty alien. But you can't communicate with that.

Jack: Well, is it alive, is the question.

Cristina: I think it's alive.

Jack: The water's alive.

Cristina: Well, it's alive in the way that.

Jack: Like a. Like a regular cells. Yeah, that's garbage. We can't communicate with that. I mean, like intelligent life, because we're not like. Well, is that thing technologically advanced? Like, no, it's like a f****** puddle of atoms or some s***. But if we said, like, what creature came from that planet is more intelligent or advanced? If we were to. Whatever thing they used, they're just more advanced than we are. Is it math? They got them there.

Cristina: Is it math? I wonder. It has to be.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: It has to be something similar, Something. I don't know. It's hard to tell. But, like, what else could there be?

Jack: I don't know. We could. We would. The point is we wouldn't be able to think about it. Yes, but it's interesting to think about.

Cristina: Yes, it is.

Jack: But we wouldn't think of the thing like asking, what is it? Like, I don't know.

Cristina: Of course, we can't figure out what it is that we haven't met yet.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Or if we have met it, we don't know that we've met it.

Jack: So this is crazy to think about. Like, the fact that there could be a way to get to the same place without numbers.

Cristina: To the same place. Oh.

Jack: To same level of technology.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, here's the problem. We always look at space and we use our fancy super awesome telescopios and we.

Cristina: We make them bigger and better and stronger.

Jack: We're looking for us. We had a whole f****** episode about this. We're always looking for ourselves.

Cristina: It's the easiest thing to look for. Maybe. Yes.

Jack: But, like, the amount of crap we're probably missing in looking for ourselves, there's.

Cristina: No way to even imagine how you look for the other thing that's not like ourselves.

Jack: I know, that sucks, right? We're sort of trapped by our experiences.

Cristina: Yes. We have to meet this unknown thing to be able to find this unknown thing in other places. Like, if it turns out that the clouds are alive and can communicate with us, then we could find the technology we'll need to find other clouds that communicate. Like the first clouds that we meet.

Jack: Yeah. You mean the first clouds we already met?

Cristina: Oh, yes.

Jack: Or I guess the clouds we've listened to.

Cristina: Yes, because we have communicated with him already.

Jack: No, that's what we're training Steve for.

Cristina: Yes, well, that's what I Mean, like, once he's able to do that, then we'll be able to do it anywhere else.

Jack: Well, yeah, but I mean, like, people who aren't us, just normal scientists who doesn't know about the realities of the world, and he's out there looking for life and he's like, life? Life is entirely based on cells. Always. 100% of the time, it's like, you can't possibly know that, bro. Like, maybe. I'm not saying it's not, but just like, I'm definitely, like, sure. Like, I'm man, like, Neil Degrasse Tyson is the kind of guy who would 100% be like, no, if there's life, it's cellular.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No, dude, you follow f****** science like it's a religion, bro. Then again, most scientists do whatever it is a religion.

Cristina: It is, it is.

Jack: I mean, they have a holy book, essentially, these science journals. It was written by people I don't know, and I will take their word for it. And his facts, the laws that were written long ago in numerology, tell us. And we follow those numbers according to the letter. We don't alter them. That's not the right way to do it. You follow the numbers as they are presented. Reinterpreting. No, no, no, no. We tell you what these numbers mean and you follow those numbers, you plug them in.

Cristina: Well, you do the same thing yourself, and then you can figure it out.

Jack: No, but you got to do it the way they told you to do it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then you got to get the same result.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Here's the prayer. You can go pray the same prayer that I gave Bob over there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then when you get. You're going to have a spiritual experience. Be sure to have that spiritual experience. You're going to have that spiritual experience. Don't forget. And it must be very enlightening. Just like Bob. Just like Bob's experience. If you didn't have what you didn't.

Cristina: Believe hard enough, I guess there's something was wrong with your science or your.

Jack: Math or your belief. Maybe you. Why didn't I feel the relief after I prayed? Pastor or priest or father? There you go, Father. Why didn't I feel better after praying? My son. So much darkness in your heart. You weren't convinced. You must truly want. And then pray, you. You have to believe it's gonna work before it works.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then it'll work. And so here's an equation. And you have to do it the way I told you and believe you're gonna get the result that we told you're gonna get. And if you get the same result, then it worked. If you don't get the same result, then you did it wrong.

Cristina: Yes. And you should try it again for like a hundred times.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And then we'll question it, go back.

Jack: And do it again. Can I do it my own way? Well, that wouldn't follow our logical steps. You got to do it the same way we did it and try to get the same result. That's the point, man.

Cristina: It's all the same.

Jack: Yeah. S***. There's nothing isn't f****** religion. Everything, everything is religion.

Cristina: How do we turn science into religion?

Jack: I don't.

Cristina: It is the same.

Jack: Yeah. Atheism is a religion. I have faith that there's nothing there. Let's get the f*** out of here, bro. What? Dude, the lack of religion is religion.

Cristina: Yes, because we can't help it. We can't help it, dude.

Jack: Everything is religion. Oh, my.

Cristina: You think aliens have to have religion?

Jack: Then that blows my f****** mind, right? They would have to.

Cristina: They would have to.

Jack: Or at least some of them. If there's more than just us, I am sure at least one civilization doesn't have religion.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But I'm sure, like, some out there must have religion. There must be somebody who's. Well, maybe there's s*** we can't understand.

Cristina: There has to be religion. If there's mystery for them, there's definitely religion, even if it's not equal to our religion. Like we just said, science is like religion. What if there is witchcraft is religion.

Jack: What if there is no religion, though? How would that look? How did they tell themselves how? Oh, so we go. We go to an alien planet and it's not advanced, it's an alien planet taking place in their equivalent of our 1800s. I mean, it's not gonna look the same, but I'm saying their technology is around that point. If we were to compare whatever thing technology they have, whether math or not, and we go and communicate with them and we find out they've never had religion. How do they explain their origin? Or are they just like. We don't f****** know.

Cristina: But they're not superstitious either. They're not like.

Jack: No, just like, way honest. No, just way honest. Just like if. If it's not provable at this precise moment, then it couldn't possibly be. Like, we just don't bother.

Cristina: There's no way. I mean, maybe, but it's just like, there's not many people like that.

Jack: Yeah, but think about it. There has to be a culture, an Alien civilization, that's just about being in the present. It's just the whole s*** is I'm now. I don't think about later or back then. It's just now. So. Hey, where'd you come from? Don't know. Never f****** thought about it. Not going to start now.

Cristina: What? How do they live?

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Why do they live?

Jack: No, not why do they live? What do you mean when you ask, how do they live? I'm like, why does it matter?

Cristina: Because it's weird. I don't know. They just live in the moment, but they don't have anything going on in the future or their past. Like, I don't know. They don't have anything. Like.

Jack: Yeah, okay, so the question would be. No, listen, the question b. If you don't have religion.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You're an alien civilization. You don't have religion. What motivated you to make your first rocket? You have no right. So, like, we are gazing into the stars in the first place. Was looking for God, because we'd already thought about God. So if we hadn't thought about God, we're like, oh, just crap up there. Not gonna give a. Or would we be like, although there's no God up there, and that's still believe in something.

Cristina: Because even the scientists believe in something greater. They look up into the skies, they're still motivated.

Jack: Yeah, but scientists are following their religion.

Cristina: Yes. So, like, how could an alien not have something? But again, that's motivating them.

Jack: No, that's us just trying to push forward our own belief that based on our experiences. How you need motivation.

Cristina: But go into space.

Jack: Yeah. What if it's just like a natural conclusion as opposed to motivation. Like, they're not striving for space. As opposed to, oh, the planet's running out of resources in about this long. We should be out or find more resources. Other stuff up there. Our telescopes showed us. Or we built telescopes looking for more stuff.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then we found it. And so now we build a rocket and go get it, and then we bring it back.

Cristina: What made them want to look up?

Jack: Running out of resources. Oh, they're running out of stuff on the planet. They're like, okay, it looks like we have.

Cristina: They're motivated to survive, at least.

Jack: Yeah. But not by religion. Not by something greater, just survival. And so they're sitting around and it's like, okay, we have a hundred years worth of resources left. That means we only have about 50 years to find new resources and begin acquiring that resource. And then they decide, okay, we're gonna find everywhere we're gonna look in our oceans, we're gonna look in space, everywhere. And then looking in space, they look up and I, oh, there's stuff up there. So then we need to get up there. And then they go ahead and make the rocket that would get them up there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then they acquire the thing at no moment that they have like, oh, God is up there or some s***. Never cross their mind. They've successfully just kind of been in the now.

Cristina: Like, I don't know how that's not possible, how that's possible.

Jack: I just explained it.

Cristina: But I understand. But like, if you have fear, then there's got to be something motivating too. I don't know. I don't know.

Jack: We don't know what comes after death. And we're terrified of what we don't know.

Cristina: And you think they know? They don't care about what happens after death.

Jack: They don't know what happens after death.

Cristina: And they don't care.

Jack: Who said they don't care?

Cristina: Because they don't. I don't know. Like, what do they think is gonna happen? They don't have any curiosities. They probably don't make up stories.

Jack: That's the part they don't do.

Cristina: They don't make up stories.

Jack: They don't make up stories. They. They prove things. And we can't prove that part. So why bother with it? We don't know what happens. I haven't the slightest clue what happens when you die? Well, your body stops moving. Do you go to heaven? What is that? Do you go to h***? I don't know what that is. Is there reincarnation? Not a clue what that is. It's when you come. I wouldn't know. Because that person comes back as a different person, back from when they're born. Do they retain their memories? Can I ask somebody? Were you in previous life? And they recall it as if. No. Okay, then doesn't matter because I can't prove anything.

Cristina: Ah.

Jack: What if that's their approach to everything?

Cristina: To everything?

Jack: To everything?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: There has to be at least one. There has to be at least one infinity. There has to be at least one.

Cristina: But how many could actually be like that?

Jack: An infinite number of them in infinity.

Cristina: An infinite number of them, but not most.

Jack: No, but infinite numbers of them. Because now we're entering though the problem of, like, multiple size infinities, right? So you can have. What is it? Regular numbers versus prime numbers. You can have an infinite number of prime numbers and an infinite number of regular Numbers. But there would still be more regular numbers than prime numbers, even if they're both infinite.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. So I don't know. Like, there can't be that many. I don't know.

Jack: Yes. There's an infinite amount.

Cristina: There's infinite amount.

Jack: Infinite amount of. So crazy. Just civilization. Yeah. Or just not having religion. Something happened without religion in some civilization. That's the most important part.

Cristina: No religion.

Jack: No religion. They never made up a story. No. They don't know about lying. They don't know about storytelling.

Cristina: They don't know about storytelling. They don't know about lying.

Jack: Storytelling is making up.

Cristina: Oh, no fiction.

Jack: No fiction. There you go. No fiction. Everything is reality. Everything is fact.

Cristina: That's. That's really hard to imagine, but it could.

Jack: Maybe it's a thing. Is that what the Vulcans are based on?

Cristina: You don't think they have stories? I mean, like, even stories based on real events become legends and then become.

Jack: No, because then you're just remembering.

Cristina: Yes, but it changes over time and becomes a bigger, better story than it was before.

Jack: But you're not allowed to alter it for flare. You just say the same exact carbon words that you were given in the exact same way. Lucy went to the store. In human language. Lucy went to the store. Lucy walked to the store. Lucy was walking to the store. Lucy likes to walk to the store. Apparently, Lucy buys things at the store. Little by little, the same s*** is just said different ways. Lucy walked to buy some stuff at the store. Lucy walked to the store and didn't buy something. So maybe something happened at the store, and that's why. Okay, so little by little, s*** starts to change incrementally. Before long, Lucy was in a sword battle with the demon in front of a store to save the store from the f******. Okay, whatever. Okay, now Lucy walks to the store. Alien that doesn't tell fibs of any sort. Well, Lucy walks the store.

Cristina: That's it.

Jack: Lucy walks the store.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Tell it to the next guy. What do you tell you?

Cristina: So, will they be living that thing where. What was that movie with the guy who. I guess everyone couldn't lie, and then he eventually was able to lie. But before he was able to do that, all they had was history.

Jack: Yes. Yes, exactly. There's history. And only exactly as it was recorded.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Not as somebody told it, because their perception could affect it. So it has to be like, what's on camera?

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And like, before cameras, that becomes weird, right? Like, how do you remember? Well, we. We didn't we didn't record anything because we didn't have the means. Eventually, we recorded the means, and now our wealth of knowledge exploded dramatically. And we have all this information before then. It would literally just be repeating things as exactly they were.

Cristina: That's how it was for us. You're talking about us now?

Jack: No, aliens.

Cristina: Talking about the aliens. Oh. Man, that's how they live. So lame. Or not lame, I guess. Like, for them, it's whatever. They don't care. But what would they think of us, though?

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: Seeing how different we are after learning about science. Like, they will learn about the science if we were to meet them, what would they think of us? Are we a mess?

Jack: I don't know. What do you think?

Cristina: Maybe. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. I have never met. Never met an alien in this situation. I don't know how to answer that question. How would an alien that we could not conceive think of us, this fictional.

Cristina: Alien that we just made up?

Jack: I mean, it would baffle them. Can you imagine discovering what telling a lie is for the first time? Like, it's never existed in your life?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Making some s*** up has never crossed your mind. You've never had that thought ever. And then we're like, why don't you say something that's not real? Like, what.

Cristina: What if they can't?

Jack: Well, I mean, the concept might not exist in their head.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Look at it like this. Can your dog lie to you?

Cristina: probably not. I don't know.

Jack: Like, there's. There's deception, but is there a lie? There's like, if I walk away from it, maybe they won't see it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But if you were to ask the dog, did you do it? Would he be like, no, that dog did it. Even if they did it, you know, is that a thought they can have?

Cristina: I wonder. I feel like I've seen videos of dogs looking at other dogs and exactly.

Jack: What video you're talking about, and the little dog is the one who did it.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So the big dog is like, it wasn't me. Go f****** take charge for your f****** thing.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Who's being honest?

Jack: Yeah. My question is, could he avoid that and not be honest? Can your dog lie to you? Or is that a thing that we came up with? And, like, if you tried to explain lying to your dog, would your dog get it?

Cristina: I don't think so. I don't know.

Jack: Like, if they've never had the thought of lying ever.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Like, okay, we haven't Done this one in a while.

Cristina: What?

Jack: But we have a f****** quantum computer to run experiments on. We've been thinking about what to do with it.

Cristina: Are you gonna seem dogs can lie?

Jack: No. We're gonna take the quantum computer. We're gonna simulate a person who's been raised in a situation where nobody has ever discussed lying, ever lied, or told anything that wasn't factually part of history. And then when they're 50 years old, after never ever being presented with anything even close to what a lie might be. Mm, no fiction, no nothing. Everything is based in reality. And then somebody says, because you. The problem is to this person, you can never say something and then doubt the reality of it. So you can't be like. And even if you walked up to them, so you say something that's wrong, and they'd be like, okay, I guess that's right.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then you're like, okay, I'm just going to tell them I lied. Well, they don't know what the f*** a lie is.

Cristina: How do you explain it to someone who doesn't get it?

Jack: Yeah. To somebody who's never had the thought. How would you explain this alien? How would you explain this person who's never experienced. How do you explain a lie? So we simulate this person in order to understand the alien that we're talking about. So we simulate this person 50 years old, never experienced a lie, never experienced a fib, never experienced fiction. Everything is science fact. Everything is in history books.

Cristina: Maybe it is impossible. I think of, like, if you try to point out things, they will still not get what you're trying to do. Like, you were just pointing out the sky, and we're like, okay, that's red. Like, if they knew the language and they knew what you're saying.

Jack: Yes. A human.

Cristina: Yeah. And you're like, that's red. But I know it's not red, But I'm telling you that's red.

Jack: They might think you're telling the truth and they don't understand how it's red.

Cristina: Yes. Like, yeah, okay. From your eyes, it's probably red. I don't know. But like, yeah. So what other ways will you try to convince them?

Jack: Okay, I grab a card. I grab an index card, and I'll write the words, this is an index card. And I'll be like, this is true. This is. This is true. This is fact. Put that one down. Then I get another index card and I say, this is a car. And then I show them the card. I'm like, this is what the lie is. That is talking about the card. This is saying the card is a car.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's a lie. Do you see how that works? And they won't necessarily get it. But with enough examples, you are. We simulate, you know, 50 year old guy, whatever, you are a male, and say, okay, yeah, it's true. Okay, okay, so what's the example you're trying to give me? I don't get where you're coming from. All right, now brace yourself. You are a female. That's the lie.

Cristina: Mm. Would they get that?

Jack: Well, with. Again, with enough examples. Yeah, we just keep doing that over and over. And presumably the stacked evidence or examples.

Cristina: If they understood it, would they get it, like, a point?

Jack: H***, yes. They would definitely be like, why would you do this?

Cristina: Yeah, I don't know if it'll be entertaining to them. Like, then if you show them a fantasy movie, would they be like, I don't. I don't get it. Like, interesting.

Jack: It would be a great party trick for everybody he knows who also doesn't know about lying. It'd be like a weird party trick to show up and be like, look what I learned how to do. Guys, this is you. Nep. Guys, gather. Gather round. Show them how to lie. Gather round. Guys, I'm gonna show you a thing I learned how to do that. You. It's gonna blow your f****** mind. You've never, never seen society, never heard, heard anything of this nature whatsoever. I mean, he's not gonna explain. He doesn't really know. It's like, you've never seen or heard anything like this before. He's gonna be f****** billionaire, bro. And he's like, okay, check it out, Check it out. Check it out. You guys. Blowing away. Blown away. Stacy's naked. Like, this is naked.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Wait, no. Stacy has clothes on.

Cristina: What are you talking about?

Jack: Yeah, you're. You're. You're confused. Stacy has clothes on. No, no. Stacy's naked. What are you saying? It's like. It's a cool trick, right? But what.

Cristina: What is happening?

Jack: Yeah, it's like the craziest magic trick. Like, I just walked out that door down the block, and you just saw me pop up in the door next to you. It's like water. Like, whoa.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's like Stacey's naked. But. But I know. I don't. I know she has clothing. Then that meme of that lady with the numbers ones and zeros flying in front of him, like, equation s***. Yes, that happens real time. Stacy has clothes. I know she has clothes, but he's saying she doesn't have clothes. I don't understand.

Cristina: Is there something wrong with him?

Jack: Yeah. Is he sick? Is there something. How, how, how, man? Maybe. Maybe I'm the one who's f***** up. Something's wrong in my head. It's wrong in my head.

Cristina: And I keep hearing. They think he's like, if enough people are listening, just think, oh, there's something wrong with him. We gotta take him to the mental hospital or to the. Where do old people go? Home care.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah.

Cristina: Like, they'll be worried about him.

Jack: Worried about him.

Cristina: Because even if he tried to explain it, he wouldn't be able to explain it.

Jack: He wouldn't be able to explain it. It would sound like gibberish.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: What the bomb say. He said, Stacey's naked.

Cristina: Like, even if he tried to ex. Yeah, like, even if he's trying to explain. To not go into a home care, like, it's too late. They're gonna put him away.

Jack: No, I mean, it would be. It would be too confusing. It would be too confusing. I don't think they would just default to that. They would really? Because he already, you know, warned them.

Cristina: That it's a magic trick, but they.

Jack: Don'T have a magic trick. But he said, I have a trick for you guys. Oh, so they're already thinking of it as a trick as opposed to. He just shows up, said, stacy's naked. What the f***? What just happened?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: No, he's like, I got a trick, guys. It can blow your mind. Stacey's naked. What the f*** is happen. It's impossible. What? No, she has clothing. Why is he saying that?

Cristina: So they wouldn't think there's something wrong with him.

Jack: No, he just said it was a trick ahead of time. So they're thinking of it as a trick. It'd be crazy if I'm like, hey, I got a magic trick for you. Pick a card, any card. I don't get how this magic trick works. Send him to an asylum. Like, that's not how we react to things. He told us it's a magic trick.

Cristina: In the old days, it was like that.

Jack: Yeah, but he'd. Like. He told us it's a trick. It'd be crazy if it's like, I don't know what's happening. I've never heard of magic. So, you know, he said, I don't.

Cristina: Think they heard of magic, though.

Jack: Who heard of magic?

Cristina: Those people.

Jack: Well, no, you're talking. I'm giving you a different example about actual magic dude doing a card trick or something.

Cristina: Yeah, but would they know Magic. Would they know tricks? Like, if he did announce, I got a trick for you, would they know what he means by trick?

Jack: Who, the guy who's lying?

Cristina: Yeah, to the people who don't know what lying is.

Jack: Well, no, it would be like, I got a trick for you. Look at me flip my hat midair and catch it on my head. I did. Ta da a trick. And then you're like, oh, cool. It required a lot of skill and training to be able to flip it perfectly and land it on your head.

Cristina: Okay, so that gets picked.

Jack: Any card. Your card is Ace of spades. Oh, wow. Nice trick. It's very interesting. I don't know how he did it, but Stacy's naked. What the. What the. I don't get it. How.

Cristina: How.

Jack: They're not like. Well, it's f****** send a twin asylum. They're like, wow, this is the greatest trick I've ever seen.

Cristina: This crazy trick.

Jack: This is a crazy linguistic trick. Wow. It's like a tongue twister about that time Hitler did the thing.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, because they all. Everything is based on history, you know, as opposed to. As opposed to making up that, like, Peter Piper didn't pick no pickle. Doesn't make sense.

Cristina: There's a time a tongue twister about Hitler, about history. Oh, history.

Jack: Yeah. It has to be all there. Everything is based on history as opposed to making s*** up.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They've never made something up.

Cristina: No. Okay.

Jack: And this is crazy, right? Because the other argument is everything that they've ever constructed needed to be built on, on top of something else with total awareness. Like, nobody ever had an original idea.

Cristina: They wouldn't have cities. They wouldn't know.

Jack: They would. They would. It's innovating. You'd innovate your way there as opposed to invent your way there.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Because you don't make anything up. Everything is based on crap that you'd had to have a thought about something that wasn't real first and then be like, no. It would be like, well, we need to push things. Well, how do we push things? Well, it looks like that round thing. When we put the rock on top of the hill, it just moves easily. Rolls all the way to the bottom. It's like, how do we put that rock on a box that we can push it in? Thus, carriages came to be.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Okay, well, pushing this carriage is fine in town, but I gotta take this s*** across town. Is there something that could pull this s***? Well, horses. Yeah. Okay. So far, we haven't had, like. We haven't vented S***, we just, you know, stuff that's already there, I use, you know, I put stuff in my crate, I pick up the crate, I walk to Bob's house. Okay, great.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I want a crate with wheels so I can push it across town. Okay. So the Brock rolls. Put the Brock on the crate. Push the big crate. Okay. Got across town. Well, I need to get it to a different town. I need to get the crate to move fluidly and something that won't get as tired as I do. Oh, well, a horse. Okay, well, the horse is gonna die if I try to cross the country with him. Only on a carriage. So I need something. I need a way for this already. Well, what do we know?

Cristina: Five donkeys.

Jack: Five donkeys. Well, we already know that we can get energy, heat from like he creates energy. Maybe, maybe I could build a thing. Maybe I can use energy, trap energy and then make it shoot out some other place. And then that's gonna propel it so that it's not a living creature slowly dying. And I just need to fill that. Just cold. Yeah. Let's build the thing in. It's gonna shoot out the back. Okay. Coal like a train.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Eventually. Well, how do we. How do we make this self contained so the energy is happening inside? Well, gasoline, you know, get oil so they'll have oil.

Cristina: Pretty much a lot of the same things that we have.

Jack: Yeah, but innovating. Well, no, this guy that I'm talking about is just based on a society that doesn't lie. But of course the steps are there. It's just they only followed it through clean process. As opposed to somebody like, what if I put a f****** radio in a car? You know, it's like I'm a. Yeah. Car radio venting s***. Then again, somebody was like, well, I want music that isn't just sung. What if I can trap the. Their singing?

Cristina: Would they have music? They would just be based on history. Just be based on history or life history.

Jack: Like, and then some dude with a boombox because he wanted to record the thing was like, what? I carry my, my boombox in my car so I can music while I'm driving. What if it was part of it.

Cristina: Would have strange things like animal breeding.

Jack: What?

Cristina: Like, you know, like what we did with dogs. Like, I can see that with farm animals because you're trying to make it have more meat on it.

Jack: Yeah, 100% that would still happen. Most of to be real. Most of everything would be identical.

Cristina: But what about the crazy buildings we have or the crazy art on those buildings?

Jack: Probably not art would be problematic.

Cristina: It was just. It's just not art.

Jack: Mostly it would be art based on history.

Cristina: That is very interesting.

Jack: Make a fictional universe.

Cristina: You just accidentally make a fictional universe.

Jack: That's crazy, right? Because it's totally just s*** inside your head.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: And like, if you mess something up. Well, no, maybe they're always correcting it.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Like something like they put a window too big, they got to throw out the whole thing.

Jack: Like throw out the whole thing. It fits a painting. Well, I gotta wait until it dries and then, you know, shrink that window.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Again, everything would work appropriately. It just would function based on history. It doesn't seem like we need religion. It just seems more like we want it. Like after really thinking through the steps that would lead us right to where we are without ever lying about anything, without needing fiction, without even creating something original, you're just consistently innovating something that already existed. Base the thing on the previous thing, the end.

Cristina: There has to be differences. I don't know, but it's hard to imagine because we're still just basing it off of what we are.

Jack: Yeah. Let's say before we had mass travel and stuff like that. Right. Civilizations that didn't have a lot of contact with one another. What were the major differences? Right. What were like the real big. Wow. So we have. We had cowboys and drip, had pirates. More or less the same concept, but one on land, the other one in the water. That's differences, I guess. Like what, what are notable differences?

Cristina: We can find notable differences between countries.

Jack: Yeah. Countries that didn't interact for a really long time. Like the people there, but they had their own path they were taking.

Cristina: There's not many countries like that. I mean, I guess today P is the most.

Jack: Yeah, today. That's why I'm thinking backwards. I immediately said pirates and.

Cristina: But even in that part, that point, we were starting to like.

Jack: Yes, but we were. Starting is exactly the right set of words. So we weren't there. It was beginning.

Cristina: But you'd have to think of before though, because you're still getting some influence from somewhere else. The new place that you're. You're working, you're trading with and stuff.

Jack: Well, let's think just basic things. Some civilizations used a lot of copper, some used a lot of stone. So materialistically there were some differences.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Some civilizations built erect towers, others built pyramids. Weirdly enough, a bunch of people who did not interact ever had pyramids. Total opposite sides of the world. There are pyramids in Mexico and in Egypt. And it's like a highly impractical thing to construct.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Why they both have pyramids. Of course. The pyramids are vastly different.

Cristina: Yes, they are.

Jack: But like, what?

Cristina: There must have been a good reason. I wonder what the reason was. Need of time travel.

Jack: I mean, like, we know, we know that the pyramids of Giza had the f****** transporter and laser thing and that the pyramids the Mayans made had both rockets take off and had a matrix style system underground.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So like they're vastly different in that aspect as well, man.

Cristina: But even I don't know, I feel like everyone still get like, when they weren't traveling the world, they were still learning things from their neighbors.

Jack: Yeah. And their neighbors learned things from their neighbors and their neighbors learn things. So far enough, you learn from the guy across the world.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So if we got a telescope, aimed it at west, bubba. F****** the galaxy of who the f*** knows, where will we see pyramids? Will there be f****** alien pyramids? That's crazy, dude.

Cristina: North Korea is hiding pyramids. Maybe because they're like the only ones not communicating with everyone. But at the same time, everyone's sneaking in things from other places.

Jack: I mean, little by little they're opening up. In fact, we're pushing Russia into that spot now and we're taking them out. We're like, we already talked to Cuba and we're starting to talk with North Korea. F*** talking Russians. F*** the Russians.

Cristina: But the Russians will still get their information about other countries and will not.

Jack: As countries start cutting them off from who are they gonna get their information from their homies?

Cristina: Only from the web.

Jack: From the web, the Internet is going to be cut off. Oh, I mean, they'll have their own Internet, but they won't have access to connected to everybody else's. Internet will just be chopped off at every entry.

Cristina: The average Russian person, Russia the country.

Jack: The whole country from within Russia the country. You won't be able to do s***.

Cristina: Why would we do that?

Jack: Because they are attacking an entire other country and we're trying to stop them without war, which seems to be the only way. No, we're just gonna do what we did to the other countries that we didn't want war with. We just can f****** cut them off the same way we do with Cuba and the same way we do in North Korea. Just cut them off. You're gonna be cut off. You're gonna have no resources, gonna suck where you are and f*** you and your people, because we can't have you harassing everybody else and f****** attacking and Murdering everybody else. So we can do that. Then they won't have. They'll have their own Internet to communicate one another, but they can't communicate outwards. You leave Russia if you want to communicate.

Cristina: Mm. What would those. Those countries, those worlds, the one that doesn't lie. Would they have pyramids? What would those be for?

Jack: That's an interesting question. And they probably would, because nobody made a pyramid to lie in the first place.

Cristina: No, but they have the stories written on pyramids. I don't know.

Jack: Not all of them.

Cristina: Not all.

Jack: Maybe there are pyramids without stories written on them that just happens to be that they already like to write stories and there happens to be a pyramid.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Why not write the stories in the pyramid? But if you didn't have the stories, why would that mean you don't have the pyramid?

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: It could be like, well, I need. I want a monument that represents me.

Cristina: Well.

Jack: My favorite shape is a triangle.

Cristina: Make a giant triangle.

Jack: Make a giant triangle and everybody's gonna know, oh, that's Pharaoh Bob.

Cristina: I don't know. That's so weird. I don't know. Such a strange thing.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because a pyramid doesn't have a purpose. Or it does, but we don't know what it is. So for someone to be like, imma make it just to represent me.

Jack: I mean, people do that all the time, I guess. And they don't need to lie to do it.

Cristina: No, guess not. Like, we have a pir. Not pyramid. What is that? The statues of the presidents all together?

Jack: Yeah. And those were all real people?

Cristina: Yeah. That's lame.

Jack: It's like a huge thing based on history.

Cristina: Yeah. So they should probably have all that stuff.

Jack: Yeah. I think really, really very little would change. A lot of it would just be the same s***.

Cristina: Yes. What would they do with their free time? I guess. No hobbies.

Jack: Read history books about the world. Build chairs. Because they're practical. They only build practical s***. They don't build non practical s***. Because it's all based on history and logic. You know, everything must serve a purpose. They'd be very literal metaphor, like poetry would tease. Unless it's poetry. It's just. No, because it couldn't. The word play would be hard. Right. So you would need lyric and flow, but you wouldn't have metaphors and wordplay, really.

Cristina: When it comes to Bob with. He's learned this trick of lying. Will he eventually learn other things by himself?

Jack: Maybe he would apply his entire wealth of knowledge to the fact that he just learned how to lie.

Cristina: Mm. So, like, would he be able to make art not based on anything.

Jack: Maybe if he was already a guy who. It would only extend from what he already does. So if Bob was already an artist, then. Yes, if Bob wasn't already an artist. There is nothing about learning how to lie that suddenly just makes him an artist.

Cristina: No, but I'm just saying, like, yeah, if he was artist.

Jack: Yes, if he was an artist. Because he's all red. He'd be like, how do I incorporate the lying into the painting?

Cristina: He remembers you saying, hey, the sky's red, so he paints the sky red. And what would people think when they see it?

Jack: They would be blown away. I mean, he would definitely open the floodgates.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it'd be like, f***, that's crazy. He painted that sky red, but we know the sky is blue. It's just how. Wow, I need this art. He went the extra mile and did something I've never even conceived of. He made the Skyra.

Cristina: That's insane. That should be insane, right?

Jack: That would be crazy.

Cristina: First he said she was naked, now this.

Jack: Yeah, he's. He's just super, mega, ultra celebrity. He does the thing everybody's confused about. It's like hearing Alan Watts talk for the first time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like, what? What?

Cristina: I wonder if it's the only trick, though, when he's telling the lie. Like, everyone wants to hear the same thing.

Jack: Oh, that would suck. It's like, no. Say that thing you said about Stacey.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Do the Stacy thing, man. Do the Stacy thing.

Cristina: That's all they want to hear. They don't care about anything else. Just tell us that thing about Stacy.

Jack: And maybe it's like.

Cristina: And then their p*** is just him saying it.

Jack: No. Maybe it's like, america's Got Talent. And it's like, yes. They think he's gonna do the same thing, right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And they want the same thing. But then eventually, he tops it off by doing something else. And holy s***, he just brought the fire.

Cristina: What could be crazier than Stacy is.

Jack: Nake points at his car and calls it a truck. What? What?

Cristina: What?

Jack: Do it again. Do it again. That's a truck. Oh, my God. Everybody. Yes, yes, yes, and yes. Oh, yeah. You're going to the next round.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Takes it to America's Got Talent.

Cristina: He wins.

Jack: There's a girl who just sings about history.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's a guy who tells a bunch of jokes about stuff that has happened.

Cristina: Maybe he can combine that with his art, because it's about making a huge performance type of event. Right. American Scout Talent.

Jack: Yeah, but what was he going there for? He was just showing the trick.

Cristina: Yeah, well, he can combine the trick with his art.

Jack: What, like painting?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, like, here's my painting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, whoa. I mean, yeah. He'd break the Internet.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, can you imagine the first time a red sky has ever been shown? Just. Dude. Everywhere on the Internet. Everywhere on the Internet.

Cristina: People would worry if people who don't know he's doing it. I guess that's why he has to announce it. But even if he announces it, there are gonna be people online who don't know, like, the video just goes to.

Jack: He came straight. There's no. Because that's not a concept. Anything that's not provable. They have no reference point to be freaking the f*** out, because that would violate their already existing nature.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So they would just be confused. The worry wouldn't make sense because they're worried about what?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Man, I love this quantum computer. We could do f****** anything. Why don't we use this thing more?

Cristina: I don't know. We need to be more creative.

Jack: I know. We just need things to throw in there. Because we could do anything with the quantum computer.

Cristina: Yes, we should ask our listeners to give us some things to do.

Jack: Yeah. Tell us what the f*** to do with our quantum computer. What a perfect way to end this episode. Yes, Just tell us what to do with our quantum computer. We can simulate anything to any scale.

Cristina: Just tell us do to Bob next.

Jack: Yeah. What we'll do to Bob next. Yeah. Anyways, when it comes to all this kind of stuff, you guys know. You guys know what I'm about to say. There's other episodes, and you guys can go listen to those other episodes. Stuff.

Cristina: They don't know if it's their first time.

Jack: Well, if it's your first time, you can find all that stuff on the official website. Greatthoughts.info on Apple, podcast, Spotify, or anywhere you get your podcast. Presumably wherever you're hearing this at the moment is one of those locations.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok. JustConvopod.

Jack: Yes. And if this is your first time, then you should leave a rating and you should leave a review. And also make sure to subscribe so that you know when all the new stuff comes out, because that matters.

Cristina: And if you're not new, you better.

Jack: Have done all those things because we will come for you.

Cristina: Yes. And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Or we will come for you. But also, word, of mouth is important.

Cristina: Yes, it is. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. Are we ever gonna address the fact that Hot Ones is basically stealing the hot pepper challenge or whatever? The. This. The one where they, like, review s*** or ask questions to each other. It's the same s***, but it's totally stolen idea, right? Answering questions while spicy s*** is destroying your mouth. He didn't originate that idea. He's just a really good interviewer who innovated it.

Cristina: Yeah, he made it better. He's an Elon Musk interviews Steve Jobs.

Jack: Yeah, he's the Elon Musk. He's a Steve Jobs of hot sauce interviews. I invented, but I made it worth it.

Cristina: Yes. What?

Jack: That's how it goes, man. Innovation is important. We need innovation in the world. Eventually, he's gonna become obsolete, and somebody's gonna innovate hot sauce.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Well, it's no longer gonna hurt. It's gonna be real uncomfortable only for that moment, and then there's gonna be a switch. You could turn. So we're really just gonna inject hot sauce into your veins. A new kind of genetically engineered hot sauce that, when I give you this antidote over here, disappears instantaneously. And now you get the experience of hot sauce and the instant cooldown of when you're done with the interview. And Elon Musk is gonna make that.

Cristina: Elon Musk.

Jack: He's gonna invent the thing, and then this guy's gonna be like, ah, we can use it for the hot sauce show.

Cristina: So what do you think he's gonna do with the country if he wins it in that epic battle with Putin?

Jack: That could already have happened. Depending when this happens.

Cristina: That could have already happened. Oh, yes. Good morning. Good morning. This podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great dots.info art by Zero Lupo, and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

JCP 6.04 Billy Meier UFO Contacts & Spiritual Teachings

Guest Michael Horn ( documentary filmmaker, blogger and follower of the teachings of Billy Meier and his Prophecies) join Jack to discuss everything from Billy’s predictions of Covid and the Russia Ukraine Crisis to the teachings of Billy. Listener questions about the Billy Meier UFO Contacts, the Prophecies and some questions for Michael are answered during the show.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

  • Coronavirus prediction since 198
  • How are the aliens getting info
  • Billy is about 160 years of age because of timetravel
  • Final and Seventh prophet
  • The real Jesus
  • Putin reads Meier’s material
  • Billy’s Telepathy- Teaching of spirituality
  • Love, Peace, Freedom, and Harmony
  • People are being tricked by the government
  • We are all going to die from nuclear war
  • Billy comes from a line of reincarnated prophets
  • Nokodemion
  • This is not the first universe
  • The global peace combat troops
  • Future Earth travelers watching the earth
  • Astrology and tarot

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Michael Horn Links:

Films: Search - The Silent Revolution of Truth

https://TheyFly.com

https://theflyblog.com

Email: Michael@theyfly.com

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Our Links:

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Rambling 123: Moon Conspiracies

Moon Conspiracy, Space, Just Conversation, Podcast, Podcasting, Podcaster, Podcasts, Theory, Science, Moon Landing, Aliens

Was the moon landing faked? Is the moon an intricate hologram designed to hide what’s truly in our skies? Conspiracy theories of the moon unpacked!

Story:
Having recently sent subhumans to investigate the moon due to recent cow abductions and the need to give listeners Stockholm Syndrome, the duo decides to unpack some of the conspiracy theories surrounding our floating space neighbor. In the process the shocking realization that some of these conspiracy theories are possible rises. What’s most shocking is which of these conspiracies has particularly strong evidence in its favor! Find out which on this episode of Just Conversation!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

  • Stockholm Syndrome
  • Cheese Moon
  • Hologram Moon
  • Illuminati Moon Base
  • Moon Aliens
  • Faked Moon Landing
  • Hollow Moon
  • City on the Moon
  • Advanced Moon Technology
  • Crrow7777
  • Unlisted Satellite
  • Secret Moon Research
  • Area 51
  • Government Secrets
  • Ringing Moon

Art Design by Zero Lupo ( https://instagram.com/zero_lupo )

Our Links:

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+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are release.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discussed.

Jack: Yes. So grab your gun.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Casually load it up with rounds outside, in public, in front of complete strangers, one by one, while smiling at them. Then you close that revolver and you start walking towards them and you say, hey, we're gonna watch. I guess you could watch, theoretically. You just have to, like, travel back in time and come watch us. If you have a time machine, you.

Cristina: Watch us, but otherwise watch us on YouTube. You could, but you're not really watching. Watching us, but it's there.

Jack: Yeah, you could, theoretically, I mean, watch a still image, but you can hear. We're gonna hear a show. We're gonna go hear a show called the Just Conversation Podcast. And when they're like, what the f***? Who the h*** are you? You're just gonna lift your. They already saw you with the gun, and you already pinned it to, like, your belt. You're just gonna lift your shirt up a little and you're gonna repeat.

Cristina: I thought he was already holding it.

Jack: No, he was holding it. He put it. He pinned it into his, like, belt. And then he walked up and he's like, hey. Because he made sure they saw him walk over with the gun, and then he put it there. And then he's like, we're going to go watch. We're going to go listen to a podcast. And the people are like, no. And then he lifts up the shirt just a little to remind them that he has a gun that he just loaded in front of them. He's like, we're going to go listen to a podcast.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that's how you're going to get a listening companion. By the end of the episode, you're going to have a new best friend that's going to want to listen every time.

Cristina: Mm, this sounds great.

Jack: Definitely. That's how it goes. Look, people get Stockholm Syndrome. You just gotta.

Cristina: It's just gonna lead to them having someone to listen for the rest of their lives. I guess. Like, this person is just gonna.

Jack: Yes, but also you're gonna get rid of them. After this episode. You could tell Them to go home.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, you just needed them to hear one episode.

Cristina: Okay? The next episode.

Jack: Then you find a new listening partner. I feel like you don't know how the introduction of the show works. Why wouldn't it be the same person? How boring.

Cristina: I don't know. You said something about Stockholm syndrome.

Jack: Yeah, that's fine. They might not want to go after you forcefully put them in a situation in which they had to be there. But that sounds like personal problem. Okay, okay, like, bro, this is over. We do what we're gonna do. Go home.

Cristina: Oh, they might be too attached.

Jack: They might be too attached. But look, it sounds like a personal problem, okay? They're the crazy people at that point, that kind of individual, you can't trust them. Those are usually the freaking maniacs, right? Think of, like. Think of, like, flat earthers, right? They find another flat Earther, and they're immediately committed, and they're like, we're not gonna reinforce our beliefs with each other. That same emotional state is gonna f****** happen in this case. And they're just gonna be like, look, now. Now we're podcasting, and there's so much weird s*** in here. They're already the type of person who gets Stockholm syndrome. Then they're just gonna be the kind of person who's gonna believe all the crazy conspiracies and all the crazy s*** that we talk about on the show. They are now convinced they're converts to what?

Cristina: Many things that we like.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So many.

Jack: They're part of the clone army.

Cristina: They're part of the clone army.

Jack: That's what we call our fans, right? The clone army.

Cristina: We have a name for our fans.

Jack: No, they're just subhumans. Our fans. Yeah. We established this before, but we never say it. We got to say it all the time. There are. There are our listeners. Are the subhumans okay? Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Even though they're not the actual subhumans.

Jack: Even though they're not the actual subhumans. Yeah, we actually have subhumans, which we sent to the moon recently to prove that it was made of cheese.

Cristina: Is that.

Jack: Was that. There was a cheese castle or some s***?

Cristina: There's definitely a cheese castle.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Aliens who were obsessed with cheese, I guess.

Jack: Yeah. And that's why they steal the cows.

Cristina: I remember. Yes.

Jack: I remember. I remember one of those glorious conspiracy theories that was created by who the f*** knows what. That's kind of crazy when you think about it. Does somebody. I mean, I guess all the moon conspiracy theories are nuts, but, like, the Fact that there's one about cheese on the moon.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, whoa, dude.

Cristina: Ah, it looks similar to cheese. I can't believe someone actually believes that it's made out of cheese.

Jack: Do you think it's just like trolling? Like a troll conspiracy maybe?

Cristina: Like, you really think people there's like a real conspiracy that, man.

Jack: I wouldn't be surprised.

Cristina: The moon is made up cheese.

Jack: I wouldn't be surprised. I would. I would totally not put it past at least one person on earth. There's 7.5 billion people on this planet. One of them thinks the moon is made out of cheese.

Cristina: For real?

Jack: For real. Like, swears that that moon is made out of cheese. They probably can't explain how, but they're like, I also don't know how the sun works. So like, you know, they're rationalizing it and s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, I don't even know how the sun works. You tell me how air functions. So why can't the moon be made out of cheese? You know that logic instead of the freaking anti vaxxer logic. It's like, I don't get it. Therefore it must be wrong. Yeah. I don't understand physics. So it's wrong. Scientists are lying.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's like, I'm sure that's not how anything works. Just because you don't f****** understand does not mean it is a lie. It kind of means you're stupid. Really?

Cristina: No. The Earth is flat and the moon is made out of cheese. These two things make sense together.

Jack: Not only that, not only is the earth flat and the moon made out of cheese, but the moon orbits in a circular motion around the edge of the disk with the sun opposite. Opposite the moon. I'm not entirely sure why the sun is opposite the moon on this f****** thing, but whatever. Maybe they do. Well, no, we see the moon and the sun together sometimes, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So do they believe that the moon or the sun moves faster than the other? Like the sun is the faster one that makes whole lapse every day while the moon doesn't.

Cristina: Yes, maybe. Or maybe they don't realize that happens.

Jack: And they're like, they're always opposite each other and when they see the moon in the sky, they're like, that's some other s***.

Cristina: Yes, yes, man.

Jack: Like, I'm not surprised. I wouldn't put it past anybody. You know, that's kind of how this goes. But like. All right, so a bunch of people believe a bunch of crazy s*** about the moon, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The most consistent one is the the moon landing was faked.

Cristina: Yeah. Because that's the most, like, that's all.

Jack: Anybody knows about the f****** moon. Yeah, the moon. Land people landed on the moon.

Cristina: That was the biggest event.

Jack: But look. Oh, God. Some of the f****** things they discuss are so stupid about that. Yeah. For example, the. The light contrast, the fact that you look up and there's no stars. The fact that they. They see the moon reflecting. This is the moon is really, really bright, but they don't see stars in.

Cristina: The sky like these in that photo or I read.

Jack: Not the photo in the photos and videos. And like, there's explanations behind all of this s***, but they're not gonna pay attention to any of it. They're really, really unbelievably fixated on it being fake. And even if you present them with all the evidence that says we can replicate the exact circumstances that answer any one of these things, well, if you.

Cristina: Replicate it, you just prove that you faked it because you just. Like, that's no. That what they think.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no. I don't mean replicate it in a fake manner. I'm saying you can prove that these instances happen.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like that we can suppress the stars from the sky with a bright enough light in contrast to those stars, the suppressing them, things like that. And so they are, I don't know, people crazy. They want to believe what they want.

Cristina: To believe what was, like, the craziest thing they think of the moon. Or like what people think, like, the.

Jack: Craziest thing they think of the moon. I would say that the moon is a hologram.

Cristina: As a hologram.

Jack: That is crazy.

Cristina: That is pretty crazy.

Jack: Yeah. They think the Illuminati is doing it.

Cristina: And why are the Illuminati doing it?

Jack: Well, there's a multitude of reasons. I think the Illuminati is doing it primarily because they probably have a secret base that is on the moon for the elites who are part of the Illuminati to hang out because they're filthy rich and can afford going to the moon, which theoretically means they've been able to go to the moon for very, very long, maybe even longer than the moon.

Cristina: But it's not really a moon.

Jack: There is a moon up there.

Cristina: Oh, there is a moon.

Jack: In this scenario, there is actually a moon, but there's a hologram moon projected over the moon to hide the fact that the moon is its own civilization, essentially for elites.

Cristina: How does this.

Jack: This is no different hologram than flat earth. And over the ice wall that we're not allowed to cross, there being cities for elites. Okay, this is the we believe in science but they're lying to us version of we're crazy.

Cristina: Okay. But I don't understand. Like, there's cities under the hologram. How does this hologram work?

Jack: Hologram is. Well, we can't. The hologram is just projected onto the moon.

Cristina: Onto the moon?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That's just so crazy. Okay, but like, if the people on the moon, when they look up, they just see the hologram of the moon.

Jack: The people on the moon?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No, the people on the moon just see Earth. The hologram is on them.

Cristina: It's on them. Okay.

Jack: Look at it like this. If you stand in front of a projector.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Looking back at the projector, you just see the light that's projecting the thing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But if you turn around, you will see the thing, the thing being projected.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We're on the side of the projector, seeing what's projected. They're on what's being projected. Just seeing where the projection is coming from.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. And not even necessarily seeing a giant light coming from the sky where Earth would be, because it doesn't actually need to be literally so. Exactly. On the moon. They're just probably obscuring a part of the sky, preventing anybody from seeing the moon.

Cristina: Okay. Are they also the ones like, there's something in the dark side of the moon, or is that a whole different thing?

Jack: That's a whole other thing that has to do with the Apollo moon landing.

Cristina: That's the new. How?

Jack: Well, they think that the reason we don't go back is because the moon landing was real. But when we landed on the moon, we found something. We found something. We found many somethings.

Cristina: Like, alien something.

Jack: Yeah. It ranges. There has been talks that they have found buildings, they have found technology, they have found a bunch of different things. And on the dark side of the moon, particular, like on the surface, where it's not the dark side where we could see, there were little things here and there. But on the opposite side, on the dark side, which isn't really dark because it gets lit all the time. We just don't see it happen. There were buildings, maybe even alien settlements, maybe even alien civilizations.

Cristina: But, like, the aliens are alive. Are they there right now or is like ancient stuff?

Jack: Like, don't know. None of that is clear. It could have been. I'm sure this variance. These in some cases are probably like, we saw aliens and they were like, don't come back. In other cases, like, there was abandoned cities. That means there's something out here that killed Them?

Cristina: Yeah, that could totally, you know, sounds so horror.

Jack: Like the xenomorph is just really hanging up on the moon and s***.

Cristina: Yeah, that would stop us from going back.

Jack: Yeah, it's nuts. Like the possibilities of a city on the moon on the dark side. How would be nuts? That'd be so crazy. That would be really cool.

Cristina: Yeah, but what about all these planets to go to the moon? Do they not matter? Would all of these theories just disappear?

Jack: Well, no. All you got to think about relative to that is who's going up to the moon.

Cristina: Oh, because it's going to be astronauts.

Jack: It's the same f****** people who are hiding the secret in the first place.

Cristina: What about when they have just regular people eventually are going to be able to at least go around the moon? I think.

Jack: Yeah. I would argue that they're going to one, make routes that don't go through the dark side. That's the far end of the moon. We're probably not going to circle around the moon. We're probably going to fly by the moon. Thus the courses in which the route that we travel is intentionally planned so that people don't see giant cities.

Cristina: Okay, but they would at least show us where the actual landing spots are. I mean that should be proof for that. One thing that people worry about, like, is that real? We could finally see it.

Jack: Well, here's what's interesting. Yes, that should totally be up there. There is a conspiracy about the moon landing that suggests that the moon landing did happen, but it didn't happen when we thought it happened.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it goes like this. The idea is that the Russians were getting too close technologically to actually be able to reach us there. And because we're f****** egotistic maniacs, we couldn't let that happen. We have to be there f****** first. Because we're, we're the best, America.

Jack: That sounds right. Right. So we were like, no, we gotta do it. But we couldn't. And so we saw that they're just a couple of days from launching some s*** that'll get up there.

Cristina: So we did it.

Jack: So we faked it.

Cristina: We faked it.

Jack: Okay, we faked it. But that's not to say the moon landing didn't happen. They just obscured the timelines. And it goes like this, right? So we go into a facility in which we recreate the conditions we expect to see. Einstein's theory of relativity is pretty spot on. The last bit was proven after we saw gravitational waves. He's been a hundred percent right about everything. He's Ever predicted. Meaning basing everything on that, we had a pretty accurate estimate of what was going to happen when we got up there. We knew how the gravity was going to work. We knew how everything was going to function.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: So we replicated what it would have been like to be up there, how the sky would look, how the. The moon's surface would look and all these things. And we did sort of a rehearsal landing where we land on the moon or whatever, but it's really a pool, the inside of a ginormous pool where we have the people.

Cristina: And we recorded that or something.

Jack: Yes. And we record that part and we digitally remove bubbles and crap like that. That's moving around in the water to enhance the moon effect. Now, everything that was done with all your scientists, you leave no room for error. You leave no room for chance. Everything is scripted to the T. Okay. So everything you were going to do on the moon, you had to rehearse anyways.

Cristina: Yeah. So.

Jack: So that, you know, step by step, everything you were gonna do, how you were gonna do it, why you were gonna do it, every inch of everything had to be. You have to know how long you're on there. You have to move quickly. Don't waste feel no nothing. And so they replicate what was going to happen, and they record it and then air that. And it probably doesn't even air live. Like, they record the whole s*** first. They edit the whole thing and then they pretend it's live. They show it on tv. They make a big thing about it. Everybody's all excited. The Duke's mind blows out of his skull and he's like, whoa, these guys are my heroes.

Cristina: They're the manliest men in the world.

Jack: Yes. All of this and it didn't even happen. They were still planning to go to.

Cristina: The moon, and they eventually did.

Jack: Months to years later, they take the trip to the moon and do everything that was rehearsed. All of it. The flag is where it needs to be, the technology abandoned where it needs to be. Everything is where it needs to be. Because that was all part of the plan anyways, so that when people do travel through the moon, tourism and blah, blah, blah, they can land and see what was really there from the real moon landing, just not the one that they watched on tv. But it was identical. There's no difference other than it happened later.

Cristina: When it comes to the video, wouldn't people be able to know if it was edited in a special way?

Jack: People swear they think they can tell.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah.

Jack: That's consistently an argued thing. People look at the video all the time and they're like, look at this glitch and look at that glitch. And blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Cristina: Oh, but they do that with like the. The map of the world and stuff like that.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Everybody's crazy. They do it with some s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's like the. The 911 bombing thing with the plane. It's like. Well, it looks like this from here. Looks like that from there was clearly edited.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: So it's like that's always f****** happening.

Cristina: That happens a lot. Okay. Yeah.

Jack: Literally everything.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's crap that isn't even conspiracy theories that people just start making, digging into videos and being like, I see discrepancies. It's.

Cristina: Yes, yes. Okay. And a lot of evil clouds. For some reason. It's either some type of bomb or you see the devil in the clouds.

Jack: Oh, my God. That happens all the time. Yes. Anytime anything happens, if there's a fire, I see the devil in the fire. Those are usually religious people.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Demons and.

Cristina: But yes, it's like one is a bomb or two evil clouds.

Jack: The other one is when the sky behaves a certain way. Like normal phenomena. That's just rare, I guess. Not normal, but phenomenon. That's just rare.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like the sky parts in a certain way and the God ray shoots from a specific direction and people are like, God is up there. Whatever. And it's like, man, that was just the clouds opening up in that one patch. Come on.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like. No, you see, God is shining on a spot. There must be something important over that spot.

Cristina: It's always.

Jack: People need something to believe in, man. Whether it's a conspiracy theory or that God is aiming at like a grass patch or some.

Cristina: That's crazy. Has it. Have anyone seen Jesus on the moon yet?

Jack: Jesus on. I'm sure they have. There's some. There's so much weird s*** about the moon, man. People think the craziest thing about it, like the fact that the moon is hollow. People swear. People swear the moon is hollow.

Cristina: So there's a. Cities outside and it's hollow inside. Or the cities are actually inside this.

Jack: No, these are different conspiracies, okay? They're not all. It's not that the moon is hollow. There's a hologram on the moon landing whistle. Faked. But it did happen late. Like, it's not all. I mean, I guess it could be.

Cristina: Theoretically, someone could have thought all of these things are true at once.

Jack: They probably stitch it together in some manner, shape or form. To make it make sense.

Cristina: Yeah, like with the Illuminati things and all those conspiracy. There's a someone who connects every single event to that same one thing. Yeah, so it can happen with the moon.

Jack: Look, let's be real. We know the Illuminati doesn't do anything. We work for the Illuminati. We're here informing you. We wouldn't be telling you that the moon landing was fake. If it's real, we're telling you it's real. Of course I don't f****** know it's real. But I know that our bosses aren't responsible for anything. But there is definitely somebody out there trying to stitch everything. And based on how often we get blamed for everything, it. Like, if anybody was responsible, it would f****** be us. Right? Based on how often the Illuminati gets blamed.

Cristina: Yeah. So this probably has something to do with us.

Jack: It doesn't. But if anybody was to blame, like, who's the most likely culprit? If everybody says it's you, it's probably you. We know it's not. But, like, if it all. All of this is crazy, but if it all turned out to be true, then, s***, it was probably us.

Cristina: Well, yeah, we do know about the aliens who are obsessed with arches.

Jack: Yeah. And they steal all our cows to create. They need them for infrastructure. This has been established. Yes, the aliens on the Moon, on the dark side of the Moon, abduct cows.

Cristina: But any proof on this hollow thing?

Jack: Yes, there's actually a crazy little bit of proof which is kind of fascinating.

Cristina: Crazy little bit.

Jack: It's small and also big.

Cristina: Okay, what's that?

Jack: It's the craters on the Moon.

Cristina: The craters themselves.

Jack: Yes. There is a literal problem which scientists don't really understand even today, why this is the case. But the conspiracy kind of comes from that question mark, which is. The craters on the Moon are very shallow. They are very, very shallow.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: For the size that they are in width. If something impacted them that f****** huge, it should be way deeper. But it's not.

Cristina: But it's not.

Jack: The impact somehow didn't penetrate dirt. Loose dirt. It couldn't, for whatever reason. And the assumption is that the reason is because beneath the surface is a metal hole. And the. The meteors that hit the Moon go as far as the metal hole and shatter there, because they can't penetrate that.

Cristina: Ooh. So this is just an explanation to something that we already have questions about.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: That's the best place to put a conspiracy.

Jack: That is the best place to put a conspiracy. It's kind of how God happens. It's like we got questions about this thing. That's because God did it. Yes, God did it. Why didn't that rock penetrate to the center of the moon? God did it.

Cristina: There is pro. Is that now.

Jack: I mean, that's probably like God is protecting the moon.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I don't know. But the smaller meteor meteors at land, the smaller meteors that hit the moon leave proper sized, but not the great ones, but not the big ones. The big ones seem to stop abnormally shallow. And there's no answer for that. That's how they measured. The question comes out of that. If it was just that it was very dense, a rock hitting it would leave a shock wave which would expand the dirt.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But not pierce too deep. But it doesn't apply when you hit it with something smaller that still seems to go as deep as it should and as wide as it should. If we didn't have the small ones behaving the way they should, then we'd just be like, well, no, all of them do the same thing. It's just really thick, dense dirt. And when they hit, it stops them to some degree. And so it's way shallower, even if the shockwave still disturbs the surface. But the small ones don't do that. It's only after a certain depth gets reached that it just stops suddenly.

Cristina: That is strange.

Jack: Yep. Alternatively, the real argument should be that the moon is incredibly credibly dense. But the fact that there's low gravity beats that argument. If it was very, very dense, it would have a lot of gravity.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But because it doesn't have a lot of gravity, we know the center isn't dense. But why is it stopping f****** giant meteors from piercing?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Kind of weird problem, right?

Cristina: It's a weird problem.

Jack: Yeah. So they believe. Yes. Hollow in the middle. But it has a hull that they're impacting. There's something inside the moon. Maybe civilizations. Maybe it's an alien spaceship. That's a crazy one too. They believe that the moon.

Cristina: Okay, but that now we're going to.

Jack: Different things variants of what the moon being hollow means. So before there was explanations of the moon being hollow.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now what does it mean that it's hollow? So one is that there is alien civilizations there to just move them to a good system. And they found a planet in the right zone that they could park their ship around.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they live in there and they don't bother us or anything. They're just living their lives or whatever. And it's self sustained. They just need energy. Maybe their own system, maybe their own system is too dead. Maybe the star exploded and the trip somewhere else is too far. Maybe just getting here was too difficult. And so they're just here, they're just staying here. So they just parked around the perfect spot.

Cristina: So they're just living in the moon.

Jack: Just living in the moon.

Cristina: People who believe in the hollow moon thing are they all, do they all believe that there's aliens in there or do some just think it's hollow? But that doesn't mean equal aliens?

Jack: Yes, there are some people that believe it. Well, in every instance the hollow moon kind of equates to aliens, but in different contexts. Like we were saying before, there could be a city on the dark side of the moon that has been attacked and is dead.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Similarly, it could be an abandoned hollow moon. The inside of the moon could have dead civilizations. Maybe it's ancient.

Cristina: Okay, so it could have naturally been hollow somehow. No, that's not a possibility.

Jack: No, nature doesn't work that way.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Everything starts from the center and builds outwards.

Cristina: Oh, all right.

Jack: So in the case of the hollow moon having a dead civilization, the two arguments are back to the xenomorph exaggeration, something them up. And that goes back to why we don't want to go back. Like whatever. We don't want to accidentally bring with us whatever the f*** we saw or we found out, or we got DNA for or whatever. We're like, we're not f****** with this. But it could have just been that there is ancient advanced technology up there from creatures that either built the hollow moon and lived in the hollow moon and went extinct over millions of years of being there, and that's it, they're just a civilization in there that expired.

Cristina: There's probably some aliens still there.

Jack: Who knows, There could still be aliens. That's a whole thing that there's probably still filled with, but it's self sustained. All their farms, all their food, all their everything is inside. So they don't really have to leave. And this goes to that sort of advanced. If you remember how the Mayans plugged into the matrix, essentially they could have the same thing. So they don't have to explore the universe. Okay, they just have these virtual realities which are extremely complicated and they just stay inside the moon without having to come out. Alternatively, the moon could have also been their main outpost, the inside of the moon where they had all their technology, other things. As they got ready to evacuate the system and keep exploring the rest of space. So it's not that they died, it's that they abandoned this, which to them is now ancient technology, but to us is extremely advanced that we can't understand it. And then this hollow moon theory of there being technology up there, whether it's that aliens are still up there, whatever, blah, blah, blah, builds into the hologram moon, in which they project a hologram onto the moon so that people don't see anything. But we're consistently making trips to try to study and understand technology. And then this dates backwards to where we start getting technological advancements that blow up. We got crappy ship, rocket fueled, barely any computer power. Our cell phone has more computer power than a f****** rocket from the 60s that got us to the moon. But technological advancement explosion began around the time that we landed on the moon.

Cristina: Where all those UFO conspiracies and Area 51 conspiracies after that.

Jack: Yes. The Roswell and all this bullshit.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: There was like whispers about things, but it started to get really solidified, started to boom way too much. And people are like, why didn't we have these advancements before at this rate? So only after a certain period is there just an increasingly faster development of technology.

Cristina: So the possibility of we found alien technology.

Jack: Yes. And we are reverse engineering it. And there's so much of it that we can't let civilians into the moon or onto the moon. And so we project so that they don't even see us going up there regularly. We're like, we don't go to the moon, but we can keep bringing technology over and over and over and improving, reverse engineering, taking it to facilities on Earth, Keeping some up there often. Yeah, it happens all the time.

Cristina: Oh, wow.

Jack: We work on. We get all our best scientists to work on something like, what the h*** is this name? The name of this guy? David Lazar. Bob Lazar. Bob Lazar, Yeah. So we get people like him to work on the technology that we've found and we're like, so we need you to reverse engineer, break it apart, tell us what's happening, explain all the details that are going on to us.

Cristina: But then that's going into like, there are actual aliens around. Do you think there's.

Jack: No, not necessarily. There's actual aliens around. Maybe they found corpses and like, they probably have like graveyards up there if that's the case.

Cristina: Oh, okay. But you don't think there's. Or like, one doesn't mean the other.

Jack: Yes. Unless they are just getting technology from aliens and there's just some people who are allowed to communicate with the aliens.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like Barbalizar said, there were aliens. That they were literally working with them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And those aliens would in theory just be on the moon or in the moon. And we got technology from them. They're like here. You guys can figure this out. This is old to us but you guys can have it. And good luck figuring it out. I know our communication is rough, but we understand. We're peaceful. You're peaceful. Relatively speaking. And good luck. Figure it out then. Maybe we trade tech with them all the time.

Cristina: Things we've come up with the trade tech with them. But maybe because we'll figure something out that they didn't think of.

Jack: Yeah. 100. There's no way two civilizations landed on exactly the same things. I theorize that we could have even landed on different systems entirely of thought. Like we came up with math and we think it's inherent to the universe. But like, who the f*** says, like, yes, what we measure works. But imagine somebody else, a different life form lands on a different thing that isn't math and it works.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. Something entirely different that isn't math at all. And it works.

Cristina: Yes. What we would consider magic, etc.

Jack: And so we trade what we have with them.

Cristina: That's awesome.

Jack: So these are all just possibilities. And that's actually really, really interesting to me. The fact that there could be so much crap on the moon.

Cristina: But you actually believe some of these conspiracies then.

Jack: Not really. There's no reason to believe or disbelieve.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It really lands on the fact that we have to assume that the gut. Now this is an easy one to hide though. I don't know how the f*** the. It would have to be a hollow moon. I don't believe the hologram part. That's a weird one.

Cristina: That's very weird.

Jack: But if we're making trips up there, we see crap, fly into space all the time. We can't tell the difference. Like who the f***. It's a satellite. It's a rocket headed to the moon. Like who the f*** knows? You know? We're not out here looking. So they could be making trips all the time. They don't need no f****** hologram. They just lie about what the h*** it is. So the hologram part. Maybe I'm not so sold on that one. But the dark side of the moon having civilizations and stuff, that makes sense to me. That could be possible. I'm not saying I believe it, but it could be possible. Alternatively. There's also the conspiracy that the moon is not just hollow, obviously artificial, but it wasn't. Again back to the ship that's put there because aliens are using it to not share technology, not just find the hot spot to live or whatever. They're observing us.

Cristina: Okay. So it's to watch us.

Jack: It's an observatory.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They moved it there so they can want. And that's why it's title locked with Earth. They're making it so that we don't see them, but they're up there and they're watching and studying and they do make regular trips and what we see coming through and when we catch alien space. That's really.

Cristina: They're working on the documentary of Earth.

Jack: Yeah. They could just be studying humans, studying how life evolves, how primitive creatures move and behave and discover space travel and blah blah, blah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They could have been there for way longer that. How long has the moon been there? The stories of the moon, forever. Yeah. So they could have been. That just could be an alien outpost and observatory that's been there for millions of years.

Cristina: Yeah. Where they placed it there or they placed.

Jack: Yeah, well I mean they placed it there, but it could have been there since before we started recording s*** before.

Cristina: We were even a human or even you know like a thing.

Jack: They just found life beginning.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like that planet put it put. Put one of our satellites there. Which would be interesting because this is to say if they have the ability to track where life is beginning. Does every place with life beginning have a moon placed around it that's tidally locked so that there's always an observatory studying life Interesting.

Cristina: That is interesting place would man when we find life one day it's gonna.

Jack: Be pretty badass, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now that being said, I'm over here saying I don't believe in the. The holographic moon. Right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: There are weird things relative to that that have happened. Like there was a guy, he was. He was a YouTuber 2013. He was. His name is Crow777. And he began just recording the moon regularly all the time and uploading it regularly.

Cristina: He just loved recording the moon, love.

Jack: Recording the moon until it got weird. On one of his random recordings he saw the moon ripple.

Cristina: Is he sure that's what happened? I don't know. That's weird.

Jack: That's weird, right?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He saw the moon ripple and it was the only thing in the sky to ripple. And it rippled the way a TV with crappy signal would. You know how that line just old school TVs. That line would just clear through it yeah. And static would form. It would, like, fuzz out a little.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: Yeah. And he called it the Glitch.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Is that still on YouTube?

Jack: I know, let's look for it. Okay, so that's f****** crazy, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He moves the camera and the ripple doesn't follow the camera. It stays where it was on the moon, gradually moving up.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: F****** weird, right? Yeah, it's very interesting. And so that is pretty compelling.

Cristina: Yes, please look at that. You could still find that on YouTube. We actually looked at it.

Jack: Yes. The YouTube channel is called CRRO W777. And you will find it. It was uploaded seven years ago and it's called the moon is not what you think it is.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And yeah, so that's a really weird thing that is there.

Cristina: He also mentioned something about Mars. Something else is going on. What?

Jack: Yeah, they didn't want to give him stuff for that. But relative to the moon, he. He has an interesting video there. It's kind of interesting. It's. He tries to be scientific. He tries to disprove as much as he can, and he swears there's a moon there. He's not saying there's no moon there.

Cristina: Yes. He's just suspicious whether the full moon, when we see it as the full moon, is that really what we're looking at?

Jack: Yes. He does not trust that what we see is. That's really there.

Cristina: Just. But the other times, though, when the moon is in the other phases, we are probably seeing it as is, because whatever we know.

Jack: See, that's where it gets weird, because he's assuming that sometimes it is, sometimes it's not. But we have technology to pierce that too. So it should be up there all the time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The moon probably has the phases we see, but if there is a hologram, the hologram also has the ability to project those same phases to be consistent with how the moon would behave in case some physicist or somebody is looking and trying to angle, like, no, wait, the moon is in the wrong phase. Because they can't just have the moon be full all the time, but it's done to cover something up. So if we have the hologram, then it's always there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that takes us to a different situation in which a man called David Johnson found and filmed a unlisted satellite.

Cristina: Oh, what?

Jack: Yeah, just wandering. And he found a satellite that's not listed. He's not sure what it. But it was functional. It was on. And he sees that it's aimed at the moon, which is also very weird. So he recorded that, uploaded that, and the. He is assuming that this is a projection point. One of multiple projection points.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: To be able to generate the image of the moon. Because why is there an unlisted satellite.

Cristina: Just looking at the moon?

Jack: Just looking at the moon.

Jack: So, yeah, that was a really weird one.

Cristina: That is very strange. What?

Jack: Yeah, so there. There are weird things about some of these cases that are, you know, supporting evidence, you could say. Like, nothing is for sure. Like, we don't know. Just because you found an unlisted satellite and maybe somebody's just secretly studying the moon, what the f***? They could do whatever the h*** they want.

Cristina: Yeah. No connection to actual scientists or secret government.

Jack: Yeah, there's no Illuminati running that thing. It's just people. Same thing with the hologram. Maybe there was some weird glitch happening in the camera that couldn't be explained. Maybe something about the light coming off of the moon was strange and the camera couldn't process it properly, and so it was trying to. But the panning is weird.

Cristina: The panning is super weird because it.

Jack: Should move with the camera.

Jack: That's a weird one. I don't know what to say about that, but that's a very, very strange one.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, there are arguments that people have tried to make about the moon being a hologram. They say, you know, like, the moon predates hologram technology. But they obviously, obviously, you can't use reason to fight stupidity because you're like, it predates the hologram technology. And then the immediate response from the people who swear the moon is a hologram is all that data was tampered with. Oh, all the proof and all the ancient articles and every. All of it, everything, all history and stuff about the moon is fake. They tampered with it to make. To make us believe. Mad tampering. See, that's the least likely possibility. Yeah, it's too much work.

Cristina: That's a lot of work. Like, when the hologram happened, it was probably in front of our eyes and we didn't notice. Like.

Jack: Yeah, that's crazy.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: It's super nuts to even believe that. For some instances, they do believe that there isn't a moon at all, that there was once a moon and there no longer is a moon. It's not sure why there is no longer a moon, but that's why we have the hologram to replace the fact that at some point there was a moon and now there isn't.

Cristina: But there's something there or there's just. For some reason we just decided to put a. Had long.

Jack: There's just a hologram.

Cristina: No explanation. Like, it's just. We have.

Jack: Well, there's. Well, there's two different ones.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Something happened to the moon and we replace it. Maybe some. Maybe we were running experiments that destroyed the moon or something. And to hide that fact.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We put the hologram there so that nobody even knows we destroyed the moon. Alternatively, we come back to the Illuminati, we're the boogeyman. Be scared of us.

Cristina: What do we do?

Jack: They believe that there is no moon and that we've invented these holograms to fund moon research and milk society for money that way.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: How much are we making off of this?

Jack: Not enough for the level of expense going into generating the hologram and paying the actors who would then pretend to go research. Like, there's a lot of moving parts here. I feel like we wasted way more than we get out of it.

Cristina: We're just having fun with it. It's not. There's no reason for it, I guess. Like, it can't be for the money.

Jack: Trolling. We're just trolling. We're just trolling.

Cristina: That is crazy. Yeah, but if there was a moon there and then there's no longer a moon there, how is the moon still affecting us in the way it always affected us if it's not really there?

Jack: Interesting, right? Like these can't be possible. These are the least believable ones when it comes to hollow moon. That's interesting. When it comes to the moon hologram. Only if there's a moon there and only if there's point something there. Yes.

Cristina: There has to be something there that still does the same.

Jack: I think the hollow moon is the most likely out of all the crazy moon things. Obviously the. I guess the really, really most likely one is that the moon landing was faked, but did happen. Now that it was fake, that didn't happen. I just know the US kind of likes the bullshit once in a while. We're known for lying about s*** consistently to everybody all the time. So I wouldn't put it past us that the moon landing did happen just f****** later than we claimed. We showed everybody bullshit on tv just to be like, we beat the Russians.

Cristina: There and then we redid it or did it for real. Yeah.

Jack: Once we dissuaded the Russians from going.

Cristina: That'S all the head.

Jack: We just did it. They're like, well, they beat us. We gotta stop now. And then we're like, good now we have time to do this. Right.

Cristina: Okay. That's more American.

Jack: That's the most believable. Followed by the hollow moon. So that there's probably some life up there. Aliens either watching us or civilization living inside of the moon, self sustained or trading with us. And then on top of that, we could build the hologram moon covering up civilization. Maybe they came, put the things that are projecting the moon on that direction so that we are hidden. So that they're hidden from us.

Cristina: Yeah. We're not doing the projection.

Jack: We're not even doing it. They just got s*** in our orbit spitting up a hologram to where the moon would be.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So any number of things could be happening.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And maybe they don't even need to be spitting anything up. Maybe they can see out of the moon, but we can't see into it. Like a two way mirror.

Cristina: So the only one you're not in the side of is that there's no moon.

Jack: That there's no moon. That's kind of weird and kind of crazy.

Cristina: Kind of.

Jack: Yes. But I think there's possibilities for the moon like the hologram. I'm not past the idea of a hologram.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's just the reasoning behind that seems the dumbest. But like, yeah, I could believe that there's people who have funded having a secret escape location. Like we were thinking about fallout shelters as a real means of survival in the past.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's the whole Fallout series of video games is based on the fact that that was a thought we had. Send the rich into the f****** bunks and f*** everybody else.

Cristina: Bunks in the moon.

Jack: Bunks on the moon. Makes sense.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Buildings being built for the last 70 years, whole structure civilizations. Maybe they go up there already all the time just to chill.

Cristina: That'd be crazy.

Jack: Well, that's part of one of these theories that they go up there all the time. That it's just we already have technology. Yeah. People on Earth go to the moon.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Elites, rich people.

Cristina: To hang out with aliens or just.

Jack: Just to hang out.

Cristina: Hang out.

Jack: No, aliens just. They go up there to chill.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: That's one of their escape locations to go. And in case of a tragedy on Earth, that's where they would go and live.

Cristina: That makes sense.

Jack: Yeah. That's totally believable. That's right up there with the moon landing being bullshit and then f****** being real later.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because that's exactly some s*** that we do.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: America's. F***, that's Earth as f***. Rich people are just like, f*** the.

Cristina: Little Guy, those billionaires.

Jack: Yeah. There's a f****** meteor headed towards us. We just go to the moon. F*** them.

Cristina: Yes. What?

Jack: That seems legit to me. That seems pretty accurate.

Cristina: But not the highest.

Jack: What a probability. Yeah, no, that's definitely the moon landing. The moon landing being faked is the most likely out of all of these. Not to say the moon landing was faked, but I think the moon landing was faked.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Not that it didn't happen. I don't think there was no moon landing. Those people are too extreme. I think America is full of s*** and we lied until we got it done.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then everything is up there. Go ahead and prove us wrong. If you went to the moon right now, you'd see all the things. But you're also full of s***. Because. Because I was later.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So I think that's probably the reality of the matter. We lied about the moon landing and this is f****** fine. Like, let's be real. Who the f*** cares? It got done.

Cristina: Yeah. But now they can't back off on their lie because then we're gonna be like, what else did they lie about? Yeah, well, definitely doing that anyway.

Jack: Definitely. The alien testing part.

Cristina: The alien testing.

Jack: Because they were like, yeah, we've been trying to contact and trying to. Like, they just said that recently about Area 51. Yeah.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: First it was. No, it's just for. First it was, Area 51 is not real.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then I guess it is real. It is real. Like, okay, so didn't tell us anything. We already know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then they're like, also, we got videos of things that are UFOs that we can't identify. And it's like, okay, f***. But like, we kind of knew already. And then they're like, yeah, and we run experiments here that might have to do things with aliens. Not to say we have aliens, but we run alien related experiments.

Cristina: Eventually they'll tell us they have a body.

Jack: Yeah, there's. They probably got a f****** body. And they're just inching. They're just little by little they can get there.

Cristina: When are they gonna just say so?

Jack: I don't know why It's a f******.

Cristina: Well, I guess we're more accepting over time. Like, would we have panicked originally? I mean, we were panicking. I don't know how this type of thing works. Like, you're trying not to get the people to panic, but they're already panicking from the little that they do know. And then when you finally tell them what they already know, they're not really panicking.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. They have all the rights not to. We thought a bug that was more or less at the time that we found out about it, 100th as deadly as the flu at the time that we found out about it. And now obviously worse. But at the moment that we found out about it, this s*** that we've dealt with crap a million billion times worse. We found that about everybody in the planet panicked. Panicked, lost their minds and became irrational as f***. Started to beat the living s*** out of each other. Inside stores for toilet paper. Yeah, for f****** toilet paper.

Cristina: But they were told not to panic. They were told it wasn't as bad as it looked and etc.

Jack: As a result, we can't really trust the collective intellect of people and just be outright that we have aliens. I'm 100% convinced mass suicides on behalf of religious people is move number one.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Mass suicides. Life is meaningless.

Cristina: Ah.

Jack: Everybody kills themselves. So many. The majority of the world believes in f****** gods and s***. That just goes out the f****** window just instantaneously. Minus the ones resilient enough to be like, they're lying to us.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Minus that group of people. Everyone else who just believes everything a doctor and a scientist f****** tells them 100% of the time. No matter what the f*** it is, Those people just killing themselves, they're just gone forever.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We're avoiding that.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's why we can't just be like, there's aliens. Because people would just kill themselves. They've proven in the case of toilet paper that we're too f****** stupid. We can't really handle anything. We just tell ourselves we can definitely. And it's really sad, but we. Yeah. They're inching towards it just to see if we're ready. Here's a little something. We're like, okay. Here's a little something else. Okay. The less we react, the more they give us. The more we react, the less they give us.

Cristina: That's a great way to do it.

Jack: Exactly. Because they know. They gaze where we're standing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's the AI from Alien. Yeah. If it's really, really hard, they ease off. They're like, okay. But if it's too easy, they start throwing more just to kind of, you know, bounce it off.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To efficientize.

Cristina: It wasn't just UFOs that they let us know. They also. There was like, something about elements that they didn't understand.

Jack: Yes. There's just things we don't get, period. A bunch of crap. Whether it be technology, Whether it be UFOs, whether it be things that should theoretically be on the periodic table orient, or just things. Just things. Little by little, letting that trickle happen.

Cristina: But no aliens yet.

Jack: But no aliens. As for the. The hollow moon because of the depth of these craters, that could not be figured out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They did run an experiment in which they got a ship all the way up there, the ship broke into two parts, and then they slammed one of the ships into the moon.

Cristina: They slammed the ship into them?

Jack: Yeah. They crash landed one intentionally. Oh, just to see vibrate.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Scientists.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I mean, who else is gonna slam a ship into the moon?

Cristina: Sounds pretty crazy.

Jack: Yeah, it's an experiment.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So this is to test vibration to sound and whatever. And the weirdest f****** thing happened with that. The moon began to ring like a bell. Like a bell for an entire hour.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Yeah. They landed, they crashed, and then.

Cristina: I don't understand. Okay. But then none of these things make sense because this is all about how they're lying to us. But they let us see this experiment and hear about this crazy nonsense about the bell ring, the moon ringing like a bell, but they're.

Jack: You just associated two completely random things that aren't related at all. People will just ignore the fact that that was done.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Obviously, if they're showing us something, people are gonna be like they're lying. Okay, so assume anything they show us, people just think they're lying.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's just. There's no reason to connect the two. This is anything the scientists did and anything the conspiracy theorists believe unrelated.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Even though the scientists obviously have the same questions, these conspiracy theorists.

Jack: Conspiracy theories are filling up the fact that we don't have an answer for the question.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yes.

Jack: That's why it doesn't really matter. It's not this or that. It's kind of both.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But in doing that and smacking the ship into it, it started ringing. It rang for an entire hour. And the only way that could happen is if something is hollow, something solid would absorb the entire impact and not make a sound internally. But it was vibrating from the inside out. So theorize that. That could definitely. In trying to disprove it, they were like, oh, s***.

Cristina: And now they know, or not really. They don't know anything.

Jack: They don't really know why it rang, but it kind of supported the whole hollow argument.

Cristina: Is there a recording of the hollow ring?

Jack: No, I doubt it.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It's probably reported and crap.

Cristina: Yeah. That's crazy.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah.

Cristina: That's very Alien what?

Jack: Yeah, it's freaking crazy. And the fact that it rang for so long, it means there was a lot of hollow.

Cristina: A lot.

Jack: They slammed something going crazy fast into it. Didn't penetrate too far. Obviously it wasn't going that level of strength to penetrate. Even if it was, it would have to be like the size of a giant meteor smacking into it. But no, it just left a giant ring.

Cristina: But if we saw a giant meteor hit the moon, would we be able to hear that ring? Or like, I guess if they were there to record the sound, they'd be able to catch it.

Jack: I believe so.

Cristina: Yeah, that's true.

Jack: But also anybody who's immediate. Then again, if it's not kicking up a bunch of debris and junk, because there is something stopping it, which seems to be the case, I guess, wouldn't be dangerous to be around there. You just have to sort of dodge getting hit yourself. And with however large this thing is, the momentum it's with, you don't want it to pull you in with it. Its force.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. It'd be more complicated, I guess. We could have people there, we could have things there to record it. If we're lucky, it won't get destroyed. But, yeah, like it does. There's no harm of having something.

Jack: Yeah, you couldn't have. You don't want to risk just killing somebody for something dumb like that. But also, if there's a freaking meteor about to hit the moon, we got to get ready for, oh, yeah, like down here, we got to start making preparations. There's going to be meteor showers. There's going to be mass deaths. It's going to be crazy.

Cristina: We'll hide in the Hollow Earth, I guess.

Jack: But how long before enough of those s**** start causing earthquakes collectively because of the impact that's so consistent?

Jack: F***. Down there, yes. But out of all of these, like, crazy things, there's probably a billion more. But these are some of my favorite ones. I like the idea that there is a hollow moon and like the Mayans on Hollow Earth, that they, like, connected themselves to the matrix mode type of s***. I like the idea that on the hollow moon, aliens have connected themselves to some sort of matrix thing and have gone inward instead of outward. That's pretty cool. Maybe not all of them. Maybe that's just something they do naturally instead of exploring outward. They just, you know, live their lives in there. And it's like, hey, I'm going to the freaking arcade. And then plug into this virtual world inside. And they just do that for however Long. They want probably machines that new. Give them nutrition and crap.

Cristina: Do you think about aliens contacting humans and stuff?

Jack: That's a pretty cool idea too. Definitely possible. There is. One of the weird things we don't understand is why we became so intelligent, technologically speaking, around the 50s and expand so quickly. Now, when you look at our biology, we haven't, like, changed much since then. So that's a really interesting one. If you look at the past, we're very gradual evolvers. This part of our survival mechanism. We are really powerful at picking out what matters and writing that out. But there hasn't been a change since the f****** 50s and 60s, biologically speaking. That could just make us inherently way better at these things. And we had science for quite some time. We've had electricity for some time. For it to just suddenly happen around the time that we went to the moon, like, okay, that's kind of. That's kind of weird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So there's some possibility to that. I do like the hollow moon idea that the aliens were there maybe for a very long time and then left. They were from Earth. Ancient advanced civilizations from Earth used the moon to then build the technology. Less gravity, and they can take off as a fleet to explore the rest of the stars. That's pretty cool.

Cristina: That's pretty cool. People, I guess, are rich. Using the moon as a getaway.

Jack: That's pretty cool, too. That's dope. It sucks that we're gonna be left behind in case of an emergency, but that's expected anyways.

Cristina: Yeah. Whether it's the moon or the Mars or wherever, they're just.

Jack: Yeah, they're bad.

Cristina: Nothing happens here. We're stuck here.

Jack: They'll all board an ancestorship.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So, yeah, it doesn't f****** matter.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's the same story. Every possible scenario. And I like how a couple of these tie up together. So they landed on the moon later. So the moon landing was faked. The moon was hollow when they landed. And there was life on the other side. The things on the other side are advanced a lot. Life forms that are watching us.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Additionally, we agreed to them. Yes. They gave us technology regularly for NASA and the government that they interact with. And then we agreed to shield them further as our technology got better with holograms.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So, like, we could tie all of these up together one way or another so they all function to some degree. The reasoning for some of them, kind of sketchy and dumb half the time, but it is cool that they can kind of function and be. Well, it is cool that we got there, but we lied about it first. And we did get there. We. We did get scared and didn't go back immediately, but did go back and communicate what was up there. And they gave us technology and we made packs and kept expanding and trading technology.

Cristina: So all the possibilities are pretty interesting. All the different ways this. All these things could work. Except for the moon not being there.

Jack: The moon not being there is f****** retarded.

Cristina: No matter.

Jack: Because we still have tidal wave. Not tidal waves. We still have tides.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that relies on the moon.

Cristina: Yes. Or at least something there.

Jack: At least something there. If. Fair enough. If the moon isn't there, something is there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And whatever that hologram is over is huge anyways.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because it has to be big enough to have tides on Earth.

Cristina: Yeah. That's the only problem with that one. And then everything else is fine.

Jack: Yes. Everything else works flawlessly.

Cristina: Or that. Then. Yeah. The whole Illuminati using money. Use. Getting NASA to make money or the fake moon or.

Jack: So dumb. There's no profit in that.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So dumb.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Yeah. I guess that's kind of how that goes. And that's basically why you need to go find somebody to listen to the episodes with.

Cristina: Yes. To learn about weird moon conspiracies.

Jack: No. So that they get Stockholm syndrome. Listen to the episode, and then you kick them out. But then they're gonna be. Get really clingy. Exactly the same way the conspiracy nutcases do about whatever subject they're talking about.

Cristina: Oh, crap. That's what you're talking about.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. You like how I brought that back around? I know what the point of this episode was. It was to say that people are psychotic.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And you're gonna make one of them extra psychotic and then regret it.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: But you would have had listened to an episode with the listening partner.

Cristina: Mm. And that's the most important thing.

Jack: Yes. And if you manage to get all those things done, then you can tell them, hey, crazy person who doesn't want to leave my home, I have a gun. If you forgot, get out.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, you got that gun to remind them exactly.

Jack: They're gonna leave no matter what. And you tell them, if you're really interested in this show and more things like it. They have so many episodes. You can find all their episodes. Guy or woman or other gender of any type that you would like to say. Xyz, the alpha Alphabet soup member. Listen. Alphabet soup member. You can listen to more episodes on the moon and other things. You can find that on the official website. If you Want guy, person, person. They. Hey, they. You can find them on the official website greatthoughts.info you. Could they. You could also find them on any other podcast platforms, like Apple Podcasts, Spotify, pretty much anywhere you get your podcasts.

Cristina: It's very confusing if you just change what the pronoun that you're using. Like you say they, then you say you, then you say he, then you say she, then you just keep on.

Jack: Yeah. Just keep shifting it as you move forward.

Cristina: That's crazy. If you could do that. Try it. And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok. On justcombopod.

Jack: Yes. And crazy person who doesn't want to leave my house. Remember, when you do listen, subscribe and rate the show. And if you feel so inclined. These guys are cool. They want your reviews.

Cristina: We do want your.

Jack: We do.

Cristina: We do. And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Crazy person. When you leave and you subscribe and you rate and you review after you've found the platform, which you prefer to listen to the show, that you're no longer gonna listen to it with me, you tell somebody else, here's a gun. There's no bullets. Because I don't want you to turn on me suddenly. But use this gun. And just how I got you to love this show and get Stockholm syndrome. Now you can go find. Find your own person to listen with.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: Do you just. What? What do they say? You pass it on.

Cristina: Is that what they call it? Yes.

Jack: Move. Passing it forward. Moving it forward.

Cristina: Moving it forward. Giving it forward.

Jack: Passing it.

Cristina: Giving it forward.

Jack: Giving it forward.

Cristina: That sounds right.

Jack: Some like that you something it forward. And now they're gonna go do the thingy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then their Stockholm syndrome person has the same experience, and they go. And the community grows on and on.

Cristina: Yes. This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: So now you're a part of the church of Shaggy, though.

Jack: Yeah. Actually, if you think of the order of the universe, it began as disorder, as chaos, and order came out of chaos.

Cristina: So it was first track.

Jack: It was first.

Cristina: Yes. And in the order of things, Shaggy came first.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Unless something represents nothing.

Jack: Well, here's.

Cristina: Or not nothing. Whatever came before this first?

Jack: Yeah, there was some. But I guess that that makes atheos not the top top. We have to say there's something bigger. Call it the God reality.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then reality was there because it's potential. And then the destructive explosion. Something is that we don't know which that one is. Then out of that explosion, chaos happen.

Cristina: Happen, Mr. Saggy. Oh, chaos.

Jack: Crap is everywhere.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And as things begin to form through balance, because Atheos things begin to destroy in equal pace, matter starts to form, collides with other matter that starts to form and thus Shaggy slamming planets and stars into one another.

Cristina: So that's the work of both Atheos and Shaggy.

Jack: Yes. That leads to the eventual settling perfect balance of entire star systems and galaxies and clusters of galaxies.

Cristina: And that would be have to do with Spaghetti Monsters.

Jack: Full order. It goes down the line.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It starts at kek between the collective work of Shaggy and Atheos. It gets form and then from that form, that balance, you then find logic. Hypostafarianism.

Cristina: Yeah. Pretty awesome.

Jack: The unification of beliefs. It's pretty fascinating.

Cristina: Yes. Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 120: The Life Checklist

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How do we know when something is alive? What of things that meet all the same requirements but we consider not alive? Understanding and designing a new checklist to measure life on this episode.

 Story:
The duo unpacks what constitutes being alive in order to best explain to the listeners who or what to force to listen to the show. But on their journey to understand the concept of life they discover several interesting facts and create an entire checklist with different tiers of life to assist scientists in measuring the possibilities.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

  • Are all living things conscious?
  • Which things aren’t alive?
  • The problem of aging
  • Is fire alive?
  • Carbon based life
  • Is God Alive?
  • Is sperm alive?
  • Organic Matter
  • Cells
  • Alive vs Galvan

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+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. So go find a person and an inanimate object and make them both listen.

Cristina: What?

Jack: You never know what's alive.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You never know. We don't know what is life. You force anything to listen, make your walls listen, blast it as loud as possible. You don't know if your house is alive. There's no way to tell.

Cristina: There's no way to tell.

Jack: Like weird a** rubric we have for f****** life.

Cristina: I guess if it has a heart. It doesn't have a heart.

Jack: It doesn't need a heart to be alive.

Cristina: What? What?

Jack: Yeah, let's think about it. Let's think about it. Right? Let's think about it. What do we call in life? If you're conscious, are you alive?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Is that life? So conscious beings are by default alive?

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: How do we gauge consciousness? In order to say anything's alive, then.

Cristina: You have to say it. You have to announce, I am conscious.

Jack: So animals aren't conscious then?

Cristina: Ooh, they're definitely conscious. They say it in their own ways.

Jack: How?

Cristina: With whatever sound that they make.

Jack: That's not saying I'm conscious. Are plants conscious?

Cristina: No.

Jack: So animals? Yes. But plants know?

Cristina: Well, I think. Yes, but if it's just by the sound that they're making that. No.

Jack: Yeah, it doesn't even make sense. Do they have to make a sound in order to be conscious? What about things that make sounds but aren't animals?

Cristina: Like what?

Jack: I don't know. Like a plant that makes a sound or some s***.

Cristina: It's a plant that makes a sound.

Jack: I mean, there's probably a plant that makes a sound. That's interesting.

Cristina: I would say that has consciousness.

Jack: Then by default, all plants have consciousness.

Cristina: Okay, all plants have consciousness.

Jack: But then where do we draw the line? Where do we stop our cells? Conscious?

Cristina: Yes. I don't know how. Yes, they're conscious. Everything's conscious. Okay. Everything. Even the walls?

Jack: Yeah. It seems like everything is conscious, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because if we just assume that consciousness is like a collection of matter, then everything is relatively, like different degrees of conscious, but all conscious, no matter what.

Cristina: How could you prove any of that?

Jack: How could you prove I'm conscious?

Cristina: Because you can say it and I believe you.

Jack: Right, but why does me saying it make it true?

Cristina: Hmm?

Jack: What can you do to prove my statement?

Cristina: Brain scans does that how to prove consciousness. Maybe there's somewhere in the brain that says, is the conscious spot like everything else. Like there's.

Jack: We have no idea. We have no idea. There's nothing. There's nothing.

Cristina: There's nothing.

Jack: Nothing. We don't have a guide or anything.

Cristina: Well, there's no test.

Jack: Nope.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: There's zero things tell us whether something conscious is alive. We don't even know what alive is. Regardless of consciousness, whether or not it's conscious. We can't tell something is alive. Like, if we. Because obviously we don't even know what consciousness is to say that that's alive. I don't know why that was where you went with that. But, like, we can't gauge any consciousness in anything. We're just assuming consciousness because we perceive thus, you know? I guess the same s*** applies of.

Cristina: The if something's alive that it's also conscious.

Jack: I guess a cell is alive according to our rubric.

Cristina: Oh, is it? What's the rubric?

Jack: Well, it needs to reproduce, it needs to grow, it needs to eat. It needs to respond to its environment. Like a cell fulfills all those things.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Is it conscious? Huh?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I guess consciousness is not the point.

Cristina: No. Okay, what's the point?

Jack: That we don't know what the f*** is alive. You can't just say something is alive because it's conscious. That doesn't make sense. Okay, that means that God isn't alive, but it's conscious. Oh, giant hole in the logic. That means that any other version of you in any other dimension is. Is by extension dead.

Cristina: They're dead?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because you're not alive, like, biologically, but you're still conscious. You're just dead. But, like, it doesn't make any sense. Okay, you got to satisfy the rubric. That's the measurement of life. Allegedly.

Cristina: Okay, but God's not alive.

Jack: God doesn't satisfy the rubric. No, he doesn't like age. He doesn't like die. He doesn't like. So what the f***? He's conscious. But does he. That doesn't make any sense. But I don't even know why we're talking about consciousness. Because we needed some inanimate object.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because it might be alive.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, how do you prove an in object is alive?

Jack: I don't know. I guess it depends on the object itself. Right?

Cristina: Like. Like what?

Jack: Here's the problem. Here's the problem. Here's the problem. You can't just grab an inanimate object. It would have to be something that already seems to behave on its own.

Cristina: But it has to be. Okay, so this is an inanimate object that believes.

Jack: I guess it's complicated. Would you say fire is inanimate? Because I feel fire is very animated.

Cristina: Yes, it's an animated thing.

Jack: Interesting. Right? So an inanimate object might not be alive because it's inanimate, but an animated object that doesn't satisfy the rubric might be alive.

Cristina: Huh? But how do we prove that that inanimate object is not alive just because it's not?

Jack: If we. If we go by the assumption that all matter has some consciousness, and the more complicated something is, the more consciousness it has. Everything is conscious. It's just different levels that we can gauge to some degree.

Cristina: But we're talking about life, though, now.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And anything that moves is alive. Like fire. You call that as light?

Jack: I guess. Here's what's weird. Here's what's weird. Okay. Okay, let's. Let's take some steps back. Right.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: There are literally animals that don't. Just things that satisfy the living rubric that don't move.

Cristina: What animal doesn't move?

Jack: Barnacles are this sort of sea creature that does not move or respond to its environment at all. But it reproduces.

Cristina: But that's like a plant.

Jack: No, it's sort of like a sea plant.

Cristina: Like a sea plant?

Jack: Something like that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Coral doesn't move either.

Cristina: Coral doesn't. Okay, so just all these things are in the water. Is there anything outside the water?

Jack: There's a germ. Staphylococcus.

Cristina: That doesn't move.

Jack: It doesn't move. It's weird. Other things have to eat it up and then they get sick. But it multiplies.

Cristina: But it multiplies.

Jack: Multiplies how?

Cristina: It's like. But it's not moving.

Jack: It's like. It's not a virus. It's a germ. It's a living thing. It's like a cell.

Cristina: It fits, but other germs move. This is the only one that's not moving.

Jack: Yes. It's really weird. It's very strange.

Cristina: But we can say that it's alive because it reproduces.

Jack: It reproduces, huh?

Cristina: That's the only way we know. Like. Yeah, that's a. That's the Thing that's not exactly.

Jack: Exactly. Okay, fair enough. Fair enough. So let's really think about this, right? There is a literal rubric for something requiring to be alive, right? So there is. There's a chart, and I think it's seven things. So we got. You need to consume nutrition, you need to breathe air, you need to poop, you need to grow, you need to reproduce, you need to age, you need to move. Just things like that, you know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Basic s***.

Cristina: But how important are all those things?

Jack: Well, here's where it gets really weird, because not all things fit the category like what we just mentioned. Three things that don't move that we still consider to be alive.

Cristina: Is there anything that doesn't age? That's alive? What?

Jack: Turtles don't age. There's never been a turtle to die of age. They always die because they either get killed by some circumstance, get starved, or are sick. There's no turtle to have known to die of age.

Cristina: Of age.

Jack: Of age. No turtle dies of age. Turtles are the known immortal animal. Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But they age. They age, but they don't grow old, if that makes sense. They get older, but they never become seniors.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that is just a weird thing about turtles.

Cristina: That is so weird.

Jack: But also, jellyfish don't age.

Cristina: How do they? What?

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Like, they don't die the same thing, or is it just like.

Jack: No, they don't age. They don't age at all.

Cristina: They don't.

Jack: They do not age at all. Neither do lobsters.

Cristina: What? Neither do lobsters.

Jack: Neither do lobsters.

Cristina: But they have to. They have at least the age of, like, baby to adult.

Jack: Well, no, you're missing. You're missing. You're missing. They. I guess I got a word. It. They grow up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But they don't grow old.

Cristina: They don't grow old.

Jack: In every one of these instances. They grow up, but they don't grow old.

Cristina: Okay. But they do die. Except for the turtle.

Jack: Not available.

Cristina: Oh, all of them are the same.

Jack: Yeah. They don't die of age.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Because they don't age.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They don't grow old.

Cristina: Or the jellyfish, the turtle, and what was the lobster?

Jack: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Interesting, right?

Cristina: Yes. And for all these different things, what was it? The different points of life or whatever.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The rubric, the checkboxes.

Cristina: The checkbox. Is there an exception for each of those things?

Jack: Not necessarily an exception for all of them, but there's an exception for a lot of them. For example, last year on an episode you were talking about, we found A creature that doesn't require oxygen. Loriciferans, which are a type of. What the f*** are they called? The type of film, the loriciferins, which are a type of film that was discovered to not require oxygen but be related to the other film that are things that.

Cristina: That's a fish. I don't know. I feel like it was something water.

Jack: Related, but I don't know. Microscopic creature.

Cristina: Oh, it's okay.

Jack: And it's the cor. Not the cordyceps. What the h*** are they? The water bears are related to them.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And so this is a type of.

Cristina: Water bear that tiny.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Except it doesn't need air.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And sticking to the fact that not everything fills out every. Nothing completes the checklist. Not all things complete the checklist. The water bears themselves, what do they.

Cristina: They need.

Jack: They don't need food.

Cristina: They don't need food, but they can eat food.

Jack: They can eat food, but they don't need food. They have starved somehow for up to 30 years without seeing a single response.

Cristina: Well, but. And, and they just live.

Jack: They just fine.

Cristina: They're just fine.

Jack: Just fine.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Starve them out for 30 years. F****** nothing.

Cristina: But you would. If you still say these things are.

Jack: Alive, you still call, yes, they are alive. They, in any case, they respond, they do all the other things and then you have to say like, f***. So it doesn't fill out this one, which is crucial.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But then it does all the others. So if like something reproduces, is it alive? If something responds to its environment, is it alive? Because a plant responds to its environment. A plant breathes air, plant drinks water.

Cristina: Are there any, then that. Which of these don't have any? Example of something that doesn't have it.

Jack: Something that doesn't have it. That's a hard one.

Cristina: I don't know, because you said most of them, they're the turtle and whatever. Well, is there any that all of us have related? I mean, is there one thing that everyone has, no matter what, to be alive?

Jack: No, no, no, because. Okay, okay, okay. There would have to be things. But for a fact, if. If one of the things doesn't make. If any creature can fail making one part of the list, there must be situations in which they all happen. Things that we would consider to be alive. In the case of something like sperm, for example, we trace it back. We're like a fetus is alive. Well, a human is alive. A baby is alive. A baby in the womb is alive, which means a fetus is alive. And we keep tracing it and we're like, it's all alive. The ups of sperm before it's even a sperm, when it's just a collection of cells. But that's actually wrong because a sperm neither eats nor poops.

Cristina: So that's two of the things. Okay, so if they're missing more than two or two or more, then you wouldn't call them alive.

Jack: I don't know, it's complicated because some.

Cristina: Of these things were missing one thing, but you'd still say they're alive.

Jack: Yes. So the sperm is missing two and we still call the sperm alive.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay, so but should we. Or should two be the mark of like. Okay, now you're not alive.

Jack: I don't know. See, here's the thing. Here's the thing. I think our definition of life is.

Cristina: Flawed for like this checklist or.

Jack: Yeah, the checklist is f*****. The checklist is f*****. Because there's exceptions to the rule. Yeah, should be. The reason we can't find life is because we have a very strict thing and we're measuring everything by this loose, always changing thing. If we just pick some f****** things and say these things are alive, then we can basically. We need a word for something else. Now let's look at it like this, right? Carbon based life. One type of life. We theorize that there is the possibility for life not based on carbon.

Cristina: Yeah. There's like two other elements that you were talking about in some other episode. They were.

Jack: So there is the possibility that there could be creatures based on other elements that are sticky as well. We just don't have any proof for it. But we're also looking based on a rubric that's always changing. So we can't even find ourselves.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we need alive and we'll say that's carbon based life. If you're carbon based, you're alive. But let's use a different word that also means alive and say that some other s***. Is that anything that isn't carbon based but seems to have more or less the same things.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We can say is Galvan.

Cristina: Galvan.

Jack: Galvan. Which also means essentially animated.

Cristina: Yes. That's when they electrify dead bodies. I think that's alive, but it's not.

Jack: Really alive exactly, it's galvanized.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So alive in Galvan. So carbon based life that is alive.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then things that aren't carbon but fill out the rubric are then Galvan. And then we need a rubric for Galvan hard. There's no way to really do that yet. We just have to figure out what life is. Not before we can say what Galvan is. And that's where we're f****** up. Because we have a weird list that's always shifting.

Cristina: Yes, but do you have a list yourself for what life should be then?

Jack: Well, I think we should take out several things. Because nobody's gonna say a turtle isn't alive. Nobody's gonna say that a jellyfish isn't alive. Nobody's gonna say that a lobster isn't alive.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Aging is not a requirement of life. In fact, if we ever find the cure to aging and thus solve the problem of death. Death. We even know what. What things in our body specifically cause aging.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We might solve that problem.

Cristina: We might still be alive even if we solve the problem of death.

Jack: Exactly. In which case we can already foresee a future in which aging isn't a thing. But that doesn't stop us from being alive.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So we can remove aging from the equation.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The other thing we can definitely remove from is movement.

Cristina: Yeah. That seems really wrong.

Jack: Movement is an issue.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Responding to your environment. Completely unnecessary. And there's one perfect example of that case.

Cristina: What's that?

Jack: You can have a brain dead individual.

Cristina: Okay. That's exactly what I was thinking. Like.

Jack: And they're still alive.

Cristina: They're still alive. That's why. That's why I was thinking. Like that's so wrong. Because that's exactly what I pictured.

Jack: Yeah. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make any sense. There's still alive even if they're not moving.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: They have no motion. But you've not said they're dead yet.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And those two things are a problem. The other things that obviously don't need to make it are like consciousness. You can't judge that. You can't judge that. Exactly. There's no way to do it. Which would mean the only things that are a requirement for life would be nutrition. You have to consume things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Respiration, you have to inhale oxygen. Excretion, you have to have waste for what you consume. Growth. You need to grow in some degree even if you don't age. Two different things. And reproduction. You need to be able to make more of you.

Cristina: Awesome.

Jack: Now, something that is Galvan doesn't require any of the things I've just mentioned. But it does not at any moment mean that it's not conscious.

Cristina: Because we're not counting anything about conscious though. Because we can't tell.

Jack: Yes. We're saying that any conscious being could be alive. Or Galvan and Galvin is the thing that isn't life, but is not. But it's similar. It's the. It's life that isn't carbon.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: That's Galvin.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And because it's not carbon, it doesn't behave the way that things that are carbon are. But what do we mean? We mean is that it is conscious. It's perceiving the universe.

Cristina: There's no examples of Galvin.

Jack: Not that we can think of. Exactly. Yet.

Cristina: Yes, yet.

Jack: With enough time. But with this list, a couple of weird things will happen. Because most of the things in the world we can easily chalk off to alive and dead. Some of them are hypocritically so.

Cristina: Like what?

Jack: We just don't like some things?

Cristina: We just don't like some.

Jack: Yeah, we just don't like some things. And we done call it not alive because we can't.

Cristina: We.

Jack: We can't talk to it or something, you know. Yes, But a good example of something that fills the rubric out, all right, is fire.

Cristina: Fire.

Jack: Fire needs matter. Yes, yes, the checklist. Fire needs matter. Fire breathes air, Fire leaves waste. Fire grows and it reproduces fire. And the craziest part is it is carbon based.

Cristina: Yes. It fits all this and even fits some of the other things we took off the list, like movement.

Jack: Movement. Yep, yep, yep.

Cristina: What?

Jack: So fire is by any other measure alive. It's a living thing. It responds to its environment.

Cristina: Yeah. What?

Jack: It is a living thing. Fire is a living thing, alright.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Not only that, but fire. So unbelievably similar to humans in so many ways. Let's break down what a human is. Right. So human consists of a cycle of oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium and phosphorus, while fire consists of a cycle of carbon, hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen. All this f****** missing is phosphorus and calcium.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Okay, so then we go on and say humans breathe oxygen. Well, so does fire.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Fire cannot exist without oxygen. It would disappear. It's composed of a combination, particularly the running forces. The big giant chunks of everything that creates a person is carbon and nitrogen. Those are the two big ones out of all the major elements that they're composed of. Well, so is fire. Humans, after they inhale oxygen, they exhale carbon dioxide, which just so happens to be what fire leaves behind after it takes in the air.

Cristina: We're twinning. Oh my gosh, we're twinning.

Jack: F*** yeah. And the obvious one, that humans respond to their environment as does fire. Now, interesting enough. Fire fuses to procreate like a very specific species of angler fish.

Cristina: What do you Mean like angler fish.

Jack: There's an. There's an angler fish that it fuses with the female to reproduce. Their bodies fuse and fire.

Cristina: That's what's happening with fire.

Jack: Fire can fuse to reproduce. Fire doesn't need that to reproduce, but it can do that to reproduce, which is something that we already see in nature by something we already call alive. So it reproduces like something fully biological.

Cristina: What?

Jack: The only difference between fire and humans is that fire isn't, isn't composed of cells. That's an interesting thing that's going on there.

Cristina: We do we. Is that part of the definition? That's not part of the definition.

Jack: No, that's not part of the definition of life.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It is not made of cells, although I think people think of it that way. I think that's the general consensus. We're just looking for things that are either cells or made of cells and calling that alive and then trying to nail down the checklist for anything and everything that contains cells. But the problem is not everything falls in.

Cristina: Yes, like this. Like fire.

Jack: Yes, but in this case, by choosing very specific things, we can call something alive without needing the requirement of it being composed of cells. Although it's still carbon based life.

Cristina: It is what? It's a whole different type of life.

Jack: It's a whole different type of life and we can compare it and it makes perfect sense. It is carbon based life that behaves in every, every possible way like a human. It's just not made of cells. The problem is, in science we have a very particular problem where we think we already figured it out and moved forward as such. So cells that's alive. Now anything that has cells is alive by default.

Cristina: But.

Jack: Okay, then make a rule set that tells us. Well, no, if their argument was it's made of cells, thus alive. Fine, but why do we have a checklist then? The checklist would just be it's made out of cells.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Thus alive.

Cristina: The end. But then what about plants? No, they have cells too, right? Yeah, it's just different.

Jack: Different cells.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: That's why I think their argument is that even if they're trying to make a checklist, but the problem is it makes it difficult to discover what is life that isn't made of cells. Yes, that's where it f**** up. Maybe it's a useful measure that we say all things made of cells are alive, but there are things that aren't made of cells that are alive too. Like fire.

Cristina: Yeah, like fire. What's anything else like fire?

Jack: Well, something Very similar to fire is lightning, which is a form of fire, essentially. It's also constructed of nitrogen and oxygen as a response to its environment. And it does not age, which is interesting. Neither does fire. Neither does fire.

Cristina: It's just fire in a different form, though not necessarily. Okay.

Jack: Because its function is completely different and it's sort of composed of a chain reaction in a different way. I guess fire is also. Everything is a chain reaction. Think about it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. But what's interesting enough, after we have a rubric like this designed, we start getting into the weeds, which it gets weird. It gets really, really, really, really odd as you continue to move forward. Because if we use this rubric and apply it to a fetus, okay. Then we can definitely say even if a fetus is made of cells, this is assuming. We're not saying that all things with cells are alive.

Cristina: No, we're just going based on the checklist.

Jack: Yes, Just this checklist.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So based on this checklist, like a fetus breathes through its mother, a fetus consumes nutrition through its mother. It receives food and it poops outward through the umbilical cord. And it receives its oxygen through the umbilical cord and it grows with those things. But it doesn't reproduce, which is problematic because you're a living thing that doesn't reproduce.

Jack: And a fetus isn't a baby yet a fetus is just a fetus. Unless you're also saying the sperm is also a baby. But those doesn't work that way. So fetus does not reproduce. Thus by extension it is not alive. Alive.

Cristina: What, so you're saying only once it's born, it's alive?

Jack: Only once it's born, it's once. Well, it doesn't need to be born, but once it has functional sexual organs.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: That's when it crosses the threshold and can complete the checklist.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now I think the best approach is a combination of both systems. Right? So we say all things made of cells are factually alive.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And anything that completes this checklist.

Cristina: And.

Jack: And yes.

Cristina: All right. So this thing is alive even if it doesn't complete the checklist because it's made out of cells.

Jack: Exactly. So you're made of cells. Check. You're in. Yes, you've made it. That means you don't need anything else on the list.

Cristina: All right, but if you don't have cells, then we check the checklist.

Jack: Yes, check the checklist. You compared to the checklist and you function good. You are a living thing.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: That does not mean conscious. There's no way to tell.

Cristina: Nope.

Jack: Fire could totally not be conscious.

Cristina: Totally could be.

Jack: And it totally could be. It totally could be. There's no way to know.

Cristina: There's no way to know.

Jack: All of it could be intentional. Yeah, there's no way to know. We can't predict fire. Just the same way we can't predict a person. Yeah, it's random. It's chaotic. It moves in ways we can't assume. We can be. Like it's headed that way, but you know, we can never. Like we're gonna go that way and stop preemptively. It's like. But it turned that f*** away instead. There's no way to know. But following the checklist, now let's. Let's use that same checklist and compete with spur compared to sperm.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So sperm doesn't breathe, doesn't need oxygen. Sperm doesn't eat. Sperm does not excrete. Sperm doesn't grow. Sperm doesn't reproduce. All it does is respond to its environment. That's it.

Cristina: So it's not alive. Except for that. It's made out of.

Jack: Except for that it's made out of cells.

Cristina: Yeah. So it checks and it has. It's alive even though it doesn't have anything.

Jack: Unless we're saying the checklist is the only way.

Cristina: Yes, but I like using both.

Jack: I think made of cells equals alive or complete the checklist.

Cristina: Yes, I think that's right. How about a tornado? Since you talked about fire and lightning. Is tornado way off.

Jack: A tornado doesn't reproduce.

Cristina: No. Too little tornadoes.

Jack: Hurricane can make tornadoes.

Cristina: Does that count? Does that even though it's one giant thing. I don't know.

Jack: Why does size matter?

Cristina: Does size matter? I don't know. No, it doesn't.

Jack: Okay, well, let's look at the checklist. Needs to consume.

Cristina: Yes. Does it?

Jack: Yes. Water.

Cristina: Water.

Jack: Needs water.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And needs air.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Doesn't leave waste relative to air or water, though. It doesn't consume those things and then get rid of something. It doesn't leave carbon behind.

Cristina: It leaves water behind.

Jack: That's not waste. It's using it, but it's not getting rid of anything. That's what its body is made out of. Decomposing. If anything it grows, does grow, it can produce reproduction. We can assume the tornado itself. Yes, but then the tornado would in any case be like a sperm. It can't reproduce itself.

Cristina: Yeah, but then it won't be alive because it doesn't.

Jack: Doesn't complete a checklist. And it's not Made of cells.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Pretty simple checklist. It's easy to check things off suddenly and we can measure anything. That is the usefulness of something like this. We can immediately just say whether something is alive or not by putting it to this checklist. Easy, simple, easy peasy, lemon squeezy. One thing I do find interesting is the idea of a God that isn't made of cells and also doesn't breathe oxygen and. And also doesn't eat food, and also doesn't excrete and also doesn't grow and also doesn't reproduce. It does reproduce. That's why we're here.

Cristina: That's why everything's here. That's why everything's here.

Jack: So it can produce, reproduce, but it's not made of cells. And he can respond to its environment. That's how he knows good or bad and gets angry or whatever and rearranges things accordingly.

Cristina: I learned so many things from the checklist.

Jack: Yes. God's not alive.

Cristina: He's not alive.

Jack: He's Galvan.

Cristina: He's a Galvan.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Oh, wait, I forgot about Galvan.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Do we have a definition for Galvan?

Jack: Well, for Galvan, we don't know what things are Galvan. We have no checklist for Galvan because we needed to create a checklist for life that did not change first. Again, the one thing we know in Galvan is things there could be consciousness, things there could move, and things there could.

Cristina: So they. They may check off one or two.

Jack: Things off the list, but movement is. I don't know if it's a requirement. No, neither is aging. Something that is Galvan could potentially age, but it's also not in the checklist for life.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So they have things that could exist in both. We know things that could exist in both. And with those leftover things, we can then begin to look. So things that age. Some things that are alive age. Most things that are alive age, but not all things that are alive. So maybe there are Galvan things that age but aren't alive.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And maybe there are Galvan things that move aren't alive. Maybe there's Galvan things that respond to their environment but aren't alive.

Cristina: Are you putting sperm and God and Galvan?

Jack: Yes, both for Galvin.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Except sperm is made of cells. Oh, yeah.

Cristina: Already? Yeah.

Jack: Sperm is live because.

Cristina: But God and that. Tornado. Not tornado.

Jack: Hurricane.

Cristina: Hurricane. That. Yes. God and that hurricane.

Jack: Hurricane are Calvin. They are animated, but not alive.

Cristina: Okay. We cannot prove that they're cautious or not cautious, because we can't prove Any of it to anything. So.

Jack: So then assuming that we have things that are filling these rubrics, we can say that sperm and fetuses and just plants and whatever. Anything made of cells alive. But then we have fire that's not made of cells, but does check off the entire list. Thus alive.

Cristina: Thus alive.

Jack: Yes, yes. And if it wasn't for the fact that a fetus is made of cells, it would be Galvin. But it's made of cells. Yes, so it's alive. If it wasn't for a fact that sperm doesn't check s*** off the list other than responding to its environment. Yeah, it would be Galvan. But it's made of cells, so it's alive. Meanwhile, God Galvin. Any helium based life would then be Galvan. You could come, you could touch things on the scale and not check off all of them, but still not be made of cells.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And be Galvan.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: God Galvan. Like a previous episode, we were talking about shadow people. They're probably conscious. They move, they respond to their environment. But their physics are different. They don't necessarily breathe air.

Cristina: We don't.

Jack: They might reproduce.

Cristina: They might.

Jack: We don't know.

Cristina: We don't know much about them.

Jack: Yeah, they would seem to behave alive. Yes, except they're not made of cells. They don't check off the whole list. No, they're Galvan because they are animate and functional and responding to their environment. Maybe aging, maybe could even die.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But aren't made of cells and don't check off the life checklist. Yes, but we know they're not like a rock.

Cristina: No rock. Okay. A rock isn't alive.

Jack: A rock, as far as we know, is obviously. Well, we know it's definitely not alive. But the potential that it's not even Galvin is there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because there could be a third thing we don't even have a name for because we just made up a f****** name right now.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Add a third name and it doesn't fit Galvin checklist or Alive checklist. But there is consciousness somehow. And that could be a third thing of its own. If it's nothing that we would say is behaving as an animate object that doesn't seem to do anything except perceive, which is weird, but possible because that's what a vegetable is.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it could totally be haunted.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we don't know where that lands now, to give Galvin a definition. Right. I guess it would be a being that's not carbon based but still has capacity to be conscious. It doesn't need to be conscious, but it could be conscious. And it needs to. There should be a checklist that in the future we can make that should contain maybe something Galvan does move. Maybe it needs to move.

Cristina: But what about Frankenstein? That was what was based on. But because of this checklist and because of what we just came up with, is it alive?

Jack: Then he's made out of cells.

Cristina: Exactly. That's exactly what I was thinking.

Jack: Like, yeah, he's made out of cells. Frankenstein is.

Cristina: He's not a gallon. Even though he might be inspired by that idea. But our new checklist makes him alive.

Jack: Yes, because we're including being made of cells. And all the separate limbs he's made out of only function, because Cells.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So he's definitely alive. Alive.

Cristina: What?

Jack: But now, what's interesting about this is I would argue that something Galvin has to move. We'll put that in that checklist. It has to move. Now, something alive doesn't have to move, but something Galvin does.

Cristina: What about God?

Jack: Well, God can move.

Cristina: How do we know?

Jack: Well, he can do things. He's allegedly been places and he can create. That's all part of emotion.

Cristina: Okay. I guess creating would be part of motion. Just the idea of he has shown.

Jack: People his shoulder, unquote.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: And he had to move to do that or something. So based on that, he's Galvin.

Cristina: There's movement.

Jack: There's movement. So he's Galvin because there's movement. I don't know about aging. I feel like that one could be wrong.

Cristina: Aging needs to be there.

Jack: No, like it shouldn't be there because aging feels like a weird one.

Cristina: Aging. I don't know.

Jack: We can't prove shadow people age.

Cristina: No, you can't prove. I don't think aging needs to be there.

Jack: That's what I'm saying. I don't think aging should be. Be there at all.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And now, so. So I guess Galvin is pretty much anything that's not in the life list. So then our Luciferins, the films called Luciferins, are they alive or are they Galvan? They're made of cells.

Cristina: They're made of cells. They're alive.

Jack: Yeah. They're almost cells themselves.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which means. Yeah, they're alive.

Cristina: They're alive.

Jack: Even if they don't eat.

Cristina: Nope.

Jack: Because they bypass the checklist. If you're missing something from the checklist. Are you made of cells?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Okay, you're in.

Cristina: Yeah. That's it.

Jack: Simple. No question, no doubt in anybody's mind.

Cristina: All those vampires, werewolves, zombies, they're alive.

Jack: All alive. All alive.

Cristina: All of it.

Jack: Even like a fully. If zombies weren't barely alive. If they were, like, if you truly murder somebody to the point that heart stops beating and everything. That at least was a living creature.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It was never a Galvan creature.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And if it reanimates, it's again, a living creature.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because it's still made of cells.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah, I think we figured it out. Yeah.

Jack: And that means that turtles, for a fact, are alive. Are alive.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because we'll never say turtles aren't. But they don't age. And age is a weird one to have there at all.

Cristina: And jellyfish that don't even look like jellyfish. Yeah.

Jack: They look like some whole other s***. They look like a trash bag in the water.

Cristina: They look like aliens.

Jack: Yeah. It's really weird.

Cristina: But do you know any more Galvan creatures? I guess we'd have to. I don't know. That's. That's a tough one.

Jack: No, not necessarily, but that's the problem. We need to then make a checklist of things that we can call Galvan. And I think the only thing that makes sense for now is movement.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because we don't know how. Something like. I'm assuming that Galvan things will behave similar to living things in that most of them can move. And that's a good start.

Cristina: Yes. Okay, let me think. Something that can move.

Jack: Lightning.

Cristina: Lightning is alive.

Jack: It checks off some of the things on the checklist, but it's not made of cells and it doesn't check off all of the things on the checklist.

Cristina: Yeah. So lightning and fire go in there?

Jack: Well, no, because G. Gal. A. Fire completes the checklist.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: Fire is alive while lightning is Galvan.

Cristina: Yep. How many things make the checklist that aren't made out of cells? Is fire the only one?

Jack: Fire seems to be the only one, though. Fire is the only one at the moment.

Cristina: Awesome.

Jack: But fire fits everything. A human fits. Consumes matter. Humans consume organic matter. Respiration. Both. Fire inhales oxygen. Humans inhale oxygen. A screecher. Fire exhales carbon dioxide. Humans exhale carbon dioxide. Growth. Fire grows as it consumes. So do people. They grow as they consume. Reproduction. Fires can break off into smaller fires that keep moving and then grow on their own. By consuming, humans can reproduce, have babies that go on consuming and growing, and they can then do the same thing.

Cristina: So is the sun a living planet with, like, fire creatures on it or something?

Jack: Yes. You know, the difference is that the sun does age. The sun is a Different kind of fire.

Cristina: The south.

Jack: Yeah. It has a timer that's internal and ticking, and it's slowly aging, getting older and will die of old age. Something. Yeah. So it not only fits the entire rubric in which fire will definitely. Here's the thing. It doesn't actually. Because it doesn't need oxygen.

Cristina: Doesn't need oxygen.

Jack: It doesn't need oxygen. And it's not made of cells. So it's missing one thing in the checklist, and it's not made of cells. The sun is Galvan.

Cristina: What? How is a fire alive? The sun is Galvan.

Jack: How is lightning? Galvan? Okay, the sun and lightning are closer related than the fire. The fire in the sun.

Cristina: Okay. What? How about lava?

Jack: Lava. It leaves waste. But it doesn't grow. It does age.

Cristina: Does age. It does grow. When it turns into. What's the.

Jack: No, it's not multiplying. It's not getting bigger. It's rolling over things that might be higher up. And it just looks bigger. Yeah, but it's not growing. There's not more of it.

Cristina: So it's not alive.

Jack: No, it's not even Galvan.

Cristina: Or Galvan. All right.

Jack: Like it has movement. It has movement. It definitely has movement, but it doesn't reproduce.

Cristina: I'm thinking something Galvin reproduce.

Jack: I'm thinking something Galvin might need to.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think lightning reproduces.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We can see a bigger lightning bolt shred into a million smaller ones, and they break up into a billion smaller ones until they all celestial.

Cristina: You said like angels. Well, we have no idea what they do, so we can't say.

Jack: Well, based on what we know of angels, the lore of angels, they aren't made of cells. They don't breathe oxygen, but they fit the perception of life. They seem conscious, they move of their own accord. They respond to their environment. They can theoretically die.

Cristina: They seem a lot like us.

Jack: Yes, except they're not made of cells. They don't breathe, they don't poo.

Cristina: So put them in the Galvan.

Jack: They're Galvan. Like God.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like God and lightning.

Cristina: Yes, and the sun and the sun.

Jack: God, lightning.

Cristina: But does the God reproduce angels?

Jack: God can reproduce.

Cristina: The sun, though.

Jack: The sun doesn't reproduce. No.

Cristina: So is that still Galvan? Interesting, because now we're having for sure movement and reproduction has to be there.

Jack: S***. Do angels reproduce? Because I don't. Fair enough. Fair enough.

Cristina: We don't really know if angels reproduce or not. Maybe they do.

Jack: And if they don't, then they're not Galvin.

Cristina: Then they're not Gavin. I guess.

Jack: But they seem to be the closest thing to life, I would say. I would argue that angels and shadow people are the same s***, even if they're not. I mean, technically they are, but outside that point, if we went like biblical angels. Yes, and shadow people, then they behave the way humans do and seem to think and can talk and can respond to their environment.

Cristina: They're for sure conscious.

Jack: Sure, for sure. Conscious. But they don't reproduce. So that means reproduction cannot be in that checklist either.

Cristina: Okay, then. So then movement is the only thing.

Jack: We have so far.

Cristina: All right? It's just that you can't. You don't have the. The requirements for living. But you can move. So you're. You're a Galvan.

Jack: No, because lava can move and we can. And we know for a fact it's not reproducing. We know for a fact it's not behaving of any accord. It's just like water rolling. But lightning can reproduce.

Cristina: So then what's the requirement for Galvin?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Judging.

Jack: Okay, fair enough, fair enough, fair enough. What if something galvanized checks off many things off of the life list.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But not all of them.

Cristina: All right?

Jack: So you are either alive, in which you're either made of cells, or check off the whole list. Galvin not made of cells. And check off some of the things on the list or some third other s***.

Cristina: Okay, so then what was the one that we were saying? It only has movement, so it doesn't count. Yes, Lava only has movement.

Jack: But then we. We have four. Four tiers. Alive.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Galvan.

Cristina: Galvan.

Jack: Whatever movement by itself is. And then something that doesn't even have that.

Cristina: There's nothing that doesn't have movement.

Jack: A rock. It moves a rock. A rock doesn't move by itself.

Cristina: Mountains move.

Jack: Mountains also don't move by themselves.

Cristina: They grow. They don't move.

Jack: They shrink.

Cristina: They shrink. That's something.

Jack: No, no. So that's four tiers. Alive. Galvan motion and no motion. All right, so alive you have. You're either made of cells or check off the whole list.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Galvin not made of cells. Check off most of the list. Motion. Not alive. Not. Galvin, you don't check off. You're not made of cells and you only check off motion, which isn't even part of the list.

Cristina: Nope. That's just its own thing.

Jack: That's its own thing. If you can move, lava can move.

Cristina: Planets can move.

Jack: Planets could move. See, we have similarities. Now, water is in perpetual motion in the ocean, yes.

Cristina: So what's Atlas called?

Jack: That's just motion, I guess. We don't have a name for that.

Cristina: It's just things that move. All right. And things that don't move.

Jack: So biological life form and fire.

Cristina: Alive for fact, yes.

Jack: Shadow people, celestials, God, lightning, the sun. Galvin. All Galvin?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They don't necessarily check off many things. Well, they check off many things, but not all of them. The sun doesn't reproduce and doesn't breathe.

Cristina: That sounds right.

Jack: It does leave residue. It radiates parts of it, little by little. Excretion of sorts, of it can also get bigger. It ages. That's not even part of the f****** checklist.

Cristina: That's not. But it's so.

Jack: But it takes nutrition. Anything that lands into it, it consumes. It can't reproduce, but it grows. It has excretion. Some of the things on there make it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: God is weird because he doesn't satisfy a lot of this.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But he reproduces. D***. He only checks off one of the things on the list. So then checking off anything on the list.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: Without all of the list.

Cristina: Yes. Is galvanized.

Jack: Just one thing on this list. If you reproduce, Galvin, if you grow Galvin, if you excrete, Galvan, if you breathe Galvan, if you eat Galvin, you don't need all of them, you just need one of them. If you do all of them, you're alive.

Cristina: A virus.

Jack: Virus is alive. No virus is Galvan not alive. A virus is Galvin. Because a virus, it's creep. It excretes. And a virus can reproduce.

Cristina: It's not made out of cells.

Jack: It's not.

Cristina: Okay, then it's Galvin.

Jack: It's Galvin.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In fact, it kills cells.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: Or infects them. Or makes them sick.

Cristina: Or it makes them sick.

Jack: Yep. Yeah, but it is Galvan.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we were struggling. Science has struggled for very long to say whether a virus is alive or not. Well, you know what? It's close, but it's not alive.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: It's next best thing. It's Galvin.

Cristina: It's God. No.

Jack: God and a virus are more or less the same.

Cristina: It's more or less the same. Who knew?

Jack: So then, what else can we put on that list? We got the sun, we got God, we got angels, we got shadow people, we got lightning. That's an interesting one.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Lightning reproduces. Lightning breathes.

Cristina: What else? What else is there?

Jack: And then there's the motionless.

Cristina: The motionless water. Yes. Lava.

Jack: Lava.

Cristina: Wind.

Jack: Wind. Wind is in Motion.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And not one of those things we would say is conscious. We also don't know. There's no way to know.

Cristina: There's no way to know.

Jack: There's no way to know. But they do have motion.

Cristina: Yeah. But no matter where you're on this list, we don't know if you have conscious. Like, you'd be a non moving object, and we still have no idea.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You could be conscious in any case. But I guess the ultimate idea would be to try to pin consciousness down, because we. If we can prove that the. In the entire time when we're thinking God, when we're thinking angels, when we're thinking shadow people, we are thinking of things that we can at least say are similar to us in some manner, shape, or form.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we know we're biological, so we'll just chalk off anything biological and throw it into that same thing. Because it's probably, if any. If biology is the root, then for a fact. But if not, here are things that are similar.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the less similar you are, the further down this scale you are. But the closer to us you are, the more likely you are as conscious as me perceiving at this moment and thinking about it.

Cristina: Mm. So the only important thing is looking for, when we're looking for life is the living list.

Jack: Yeah. So we're comparing everything to the living checklist. Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then from the living checklist, we then attach rules to the checklist, rather than say, if you make the checklist, you are one, and if you don't, well, you're not. And instead of that, we'll say the degree of checklist completion. Number one, are you made of cells? Yes. Alive. Okay. Not made of cells. Let's move on to number two. There's a checklist. If you can meet all the requirements on the checklist, you are alive.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Great.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now, fair enough. We can say organic in place of alive, because organic inherently means alive. A hundred percent of anything that is made of cells is by default alive. So then we have a tier system. You're either organic, alive, Galvan, movement, moving. Good moving. Or some other s***. Or inanimate. Then. Then we finally hit inanimate.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There you go. Five steps. Are you organic? Sweet. That means you accomplish everything else under you except inanimate. Inanimate is the absence of all the others.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So you are moving. You do complete the checklist. Some of the things, you complete the whole thing. And you're made of cells. Organic. Organic is, for a fact, the goal. Okay, so you're not organic, are you? Galvin, do you? Or well, are you alive?

Cristina: Are you alive? Yes.

Jack: So then. Interesting, because that puts fire by saying organic over alive.

Cristina: It's not organic, but it's alive.

Jack: Fire is not organic, but it's alive. Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we are organic and we are identical to fire in everything, with the exception that fire isn't organic, but it is alive.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We're organic, therefore alive, therefore Galvan, therefore moving. But fire isn't organic, but it is alive, therefore Galvan, therefore moving.

Cristina: Yes. Does that work with everything?

Jack: Well, God, celestials, shadow people, lightning, they are all. They're not alive, but they're all Galvan and they're all moving. And lava, air, water, are not organic, not alive, not galvanized, but they're all moving.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. And then inanimate is just.

Jack: Then inanimate. Okay, so water is an animate object.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: As is lava, as is air. All animate. They're not inanimate.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Interesting. Have we designed. I think that's the proper checklist.

Cristina: Yes. We did it.

Jack: Interesting, interesting, interesting.

Cristina: And the checklist is called the Life checklist. No. Maybe.

Jack: D***. I don't know what the name of the checklist would be because ultimately the purpose of the checklist, of anything like looking for life or whatever the f*** we're trying to do.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Is to. Even if we're trying to find something in any of these categories, we're also ultimately only doing it to try to find consciousness. That is the ultimate goal of any of this. But because the idea is we find a cell, a different planet. Well, that means that life can happen, therefore there could be more complicated life out there. That's really what we're looking for.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Where life could happen again.

Cristina: Okay. So it's really the most important is just organic, really.

Jack: No. Because you could get through all these others that. I mean, if we found organic matters elsewhere. That's way more astounding.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because if life happened in some other way. Well, duh. Well, duh. What are the odds that it just. Exactly the same. Unless there's only one way it could happen.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That would be one way. There's only one way it could happen and that's it. Or we have a common ancestor somehow. That'd be the other problem. So it's either life can only happen one way, we'll have way more questions if we do find organic life. Way more questions than answers. Yeah, but if we just find like helium based life or some s***, we'd be like, yep, that makes sense.

Cristina: We just call that a living thing.

Jack: No, that would be Galvin.

Cristina: Galvin.

Jack: Yeah. Because it doesn't necessarily have to fill out the check. It could fill out the checklist and thus be alive.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It could also not.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: So the argument to be made is fire might be the only living thing that we can as of now, for a fact, pin down. And isn't organic.

Cristina: That's pretty amazing because then that really does show that there's other.

Jack: Oh, s***.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Oh, no. But it's organic. Okay. I was gonna say the Luciferians, but they're all made of. I was like, what the f***? They don't eat. But no, anything that is organic makes it by default.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So then fire. If we can find anything else.

Cristina: So we have a second example of life.

Jack: Yes. Isn't organic. We have one example of life that isn't organic.

Cristina: So it's possible to find others.

Jack: Yes. We have simplified it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: For the scientists.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So that they can use. Right there we have proof. It is possible to fill out the checklist.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And not be organic.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The problem is we're looking for organic, which is stupid because what are the odds now if it did happen? Holy s***. But we didn't answer. S***. We just opened a million doors.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Which is. F***. Do we have a common ancestor? Or is f****** biology the only way to do it? Or like, what the f***?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So way more questions. But as of now, we have non biological life. If we follow this checklist.

Cristina: And that makes it. That it's possible.

Jack: That makes it possible. Because fire because. Is alive.

Cristina: We're not alone on this earth.

Jack: And it's possible there's other things that we're just not thinking about.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Because at least things that are galvan are a whole other kind of thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That is what we were basically trying to say was life before. But our checklist was too shaky.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So anything Calvin. It lit. That word is a synonym for alive, by the way. Anybody confused it means animated object. It's a lot. It's alive. The point of that is that it's another word for live. But we're not using alive because you're not completing the life checklist that we made up. Yeah.

Cristina: So.

Jack: Well, actually, the checklist was already made up by scientists. We just removed two things as obligations and said that anything else you have to meet, you can't not not meet it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Unless you're organic. Then doesn't matter. You've bypassed the checklist. You start at organic, move on to the life checklist. Move on to the Galvan checklist. And then finally. Can you move?

Cristina: Can you.

Jack: Most of the things. All the way through Galvan. So organic, alive. Galvan and moving can move most of the things if you don't fill out anything else. But you can move. You're at least not inanimate.

Cristina: Yeah, we're not interested in inanimate. Inanimate.

Jack: Yes. Because that would be the hardest thing to prove. Conscious.

Cristina: Yes. And we're not really interested in moving either.

Jack: We're less interested than all the other stuff, but we're more interested than we.

Cristina: Are Galvin, I think is when it's like.

Jack: Because Galvin gets really interesting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Reproduce. Wow.

Cristina: Well, I don't know. I think we're more. It's. It's gotta be over, Gavin.

Jack: It's gotta be Galvin or higher.

Cristina: I think it has to be over Galvin.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: I don't think we're interested in Galvin. What are the things in Galvin again?

Jack: Celestials. Shadow people.

Cristina: Yeah, that's why. That's why. Like, how do you prove any of that?

Jack: Lightning is Galvan.

Cristina: Yeah, that's why we're not interested in lightning. Although we're not interested in fire. And we already proved that that's alive, so never mind.

Jack: Sun is Galvan and it's super related to fire. Like lightning.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Wouldn't be. We be.

Cristina: The scientists don't care.

Jack: It would be like. Look at it like this, right? We have us at organic, thus alive.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we complete the whole checklist. Yeah, but also sperm doesn't complete s*** on the checklist. But it's alive. That's the same as saying there is fire. That completes the checklist. So it's alive. But lightning and the sun don't complete the checklist. So they're Galvin. Sperm is to us what lightning and the sun are to fire. It's one step under. Yeah, except it's the same. But not.

Cristina: Yeah, it's the same.

Jack: The difference is that sperm is in fact organic. Thus it bypasses everything and comes to the top.

Cristina: Unfair.

Jack: But it works. Anyways. That's fascinating as f***. I guess we have a rubric now to determine whether something is alive or not. So like I said, go find. I guess no longer look for an inanimate object. Look for any variant of animate object. Go scoop up some lava with your hand and make it listen to the podcast.

Cristina: I thought you were just talking to your walls. Why you gotta scoop lava now?

Jack: Because walls are inanimate and we're no longer interested in. I began this episode. Wrong.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So they have to scoop up, bare minimum, something moving.

Cristina: Like lava.

Jack: Like lava. Just scoop up.

Cristina: Scoop up some wind.

Jack: Scoop up some wind and you can listen to the show.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If it responds, then.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting.

Cristina: I think we got it.

Jack: I think. I think we nailed something down.

Cristina: We're scientists. Right here.

Jack: At least we simplified it for scientists. Anyways, if you guys got. If you guys like weird discussions like this. There are many discussions of this nature. We haven't done one this detailed in a while, but there's a bunch of weird s*** out there. You can go find out what it would be like if we, like, powered society with a potato, if you want to know.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, Remember that? Yeah, The. The machine. We had a time machine for a short.

Jack: Time machine. We. For a short time. We literally still have that time machine.

Cristina: We never used it. You used it to stop us from.

Jack: Killing cat people or something.

Cristina: You wanted to kill a cat people? I don't know.

Jack: Whatever. The point is. Point is we got. We got episodes where things happen.

Cristina: Things happen. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. And we look for life in a different episode. We actively search for life. So, yeah, go listen to those episodes. Listen to other things. I think we just had a questions episode or some s***. Anyways, if you want to find that stuff, you can find it at the official website@greatthoughts.info or on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or anywhere you get your podcasts.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTokod.

Jack: Yes. And you can subscribe and rate the show. And if you feel so inclined, you can always review the show.

Cristina: Give us your rating. We eat that. We eat that for dinner.

Jack: Yes. Yes, we do. You don't rate us, we starve.

Cristina: Yes. If you don't rate us, we starve. Help. And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Word of mouth. Tell people that we've solved the problem of life and then show them what we've come up with.

Cristina: And then show them your missing arm because you scooped up Blobber. Again, this has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: And balance.

Cristina: Balance. Yeah.

Jack: Creation and Atheos. Destruction and shaggy reason in the flying Spaghetti Monster. And chaos and Kek.

Cristina: What about Chuck Norris?

Jack: He's not a God.

Cristina: He's not? No.

Jack: I guess he's like a trickster.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. I guess he's more like.

Jack: He exists in sort of the pockets of f****** reality.

Cristina: If anything, he's a reality breaker.

Jack: Yeah. He's like Deadpool.

Cristina: Yeah. Yep.

Jack: Deadpool could be Shaggy that's so overpowered because he has this thing that makes no sense and cannot be explained in any f****** way, which is the ability to leave a panel. It's too overpowered. It seems so simple, but in any comic book page, he's basically invincible.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister, with social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 115: 2020 Apocalypse Review pt 2

Just Conversation, Politics, Election Fraud, New Year, Celebbration, Coronavirus, Aliens

Finishing our review of the slowest apocalypse ever, 2020.

The duo wrap up their studies of the ancient times of 2020. The good, the bad and the ugly are all wrapped up with a neat bow. As they do so, they remember the days before aliens ruled the world and days before the Mars Space station was a casual hangout for teens. Often referred to as “the good old days.”

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  • Lebanon Explosion
  • Unhealthy Americans
  • California Wildfires
  • Stronger Covid
  • Election Fraud
  • Aliens

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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Cristina: And also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. So be sure to find somebody. And as always, you pick up the first sharp object by you, and you walk casually towards them. Make sure they see you and the sharp object. And the sharp object. And mumble something to yourself. It doesn't have to be coherent. It just has to under your breath. Make sure they hear you mumbling on your way over, but they can't tell what it is you're saying. Anything. Say the ABCs to yourself. It's fine. On your way over to them. And when you finally get to them, you say, us two, we're gonna f****** listen to the Just Conversation podcast. I promise you, they won't say no.

Cristina: Are they trying to threaten this person or no? Is it supposed to look like they're threatening them without actually threatening them?

Jack: They're alluding to danger, although they're never saying there's danger.

Cristina: Yes. That's very Dennis. Dennis. That's very Dennis.

Jack: Yeah. Anyways, talking about getting all dark on people around you and death and whatnot. Today's episode we're following up on the 2020 recap we're doing. It's Been a Fun Year, the review from last year. So if you haven't heard the first part, be sure to do that. Go back, listen to the first five months of the year when s*** was serious and we just cross over to get f***** area.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Where s***'s gonna get f*****. So we had just finished May in our recap, and that's when the shoe dropped hard. Following the death of George Floyd, a unarmed black man at the hands of a white police officer and four other, well, three other cops standing by doing nothing. This got recorded, and it was a very long video of a man begging for his life while slowly fading out of this plane of existence. And when we ended, we were at 6 million coronavirus cases.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: So let's begin on June, June 2nd. Brooklyn PD. It's accused of corruption and abuse of power. Repeatedly. This time, they're caught on video after the protests broke out, after the country broke into protests, after Minneapolis had police try to solve their accusations of police brutality by using police brutality. This spread out to the rest of the country. And everywhere there were protests everywhere. Police also, police were trying to resort to the same measures. You're saying we here are also abusing our power. You're saying we're being brutal. Us, the cops, here to protect you. And as a result of trying to stop these false accusations caught on video, two police SUVs slammed into and drove through a crowd of protesters. Because this is America, and that's how you show them we're not brutal.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. It's not all the police run them over. You run them over.

Jack: Additionally, around this time, where s***'s hitting the fan pretty hard and race wars are essentially breaking out, I remember seeing a video of a guy in a truck who, I guess he had like a Trump flag or something, and he like flipped off some protesters that they pulled out behind them. They drove next to truck, got in front of the truck, slowed down the truck, ripped the guy out of the truck. I think he actually hit somebody with the truck. And then they got to the truck, they pulled the guy out of the truck, and they were on a bridge. They threw that guy off the bridge because that's where we are. I remember showing you that specifically the guy get pulled out of the truck and flung off a bridge. And then somehow he survived, which is way worse than had he died.

Cristina: But he. He hit someone before that too.

Jack: Yes, with the truck.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: He hit somebody with a truck. He already had like Maga flax on flags on his truck. And they just freaked out. A bunch of black people pulled him out, threw him over the bridge.

Cristina: And he lived.

Jack: And he lived. Which is way worse had he died. Great. Fantastic. End of the story. No, he fell off that bridge intervent. So that sucks. So, yeah, this is just day two. June 5th. The Buffalo riot police quit. Buffalo, New York riot police quit in protest of these. In protest of their abuse of power and in defense of some other cops. So your solution to being told you abuse your power is to quit. Which in reality, when that was being debated and discussed, the fact of it was investigations were being opened everywhere to.

Cristina: See that police are really abusing their power.

Jack: Any place that had a lot of accusations because now the country is calling for it. Look into all your cops. So they weren't idiots. They were like, not. We're out.

Cristina: Yeah, it's more about I. I got to do some things I forgot. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: They were just definitely like, I think my mom's calling. Yeah, she needs me right now. I can't be at work for a couple of months.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Oh no. The Covid's real now, guys. It hasn't been real until this very moment. But I gotta stay home now, you know, Safety of my family and all. June 6, this is where that other shoe dropping finally hits the ground. It's only been fought, it's been mid air Suspense. This entire time we've been watching it incrementally because the global protests erupt.

Cristina: Now the world, the world, the world is protesting. It leaked brutality.

Jack: Yeah, it leaked out of the country.

Cristina: Yeah, that was pretty amazing.

Jack: It's. It's on some whole other s***. It left the United States and hit everywhere else.

Cristina: Because it's happening everywhere else as well. This problem, this police brutality thing. It's not just the cops here.

Jack: And as this is happening in the rest of the world, the US is leading the movement. So we're always. It began so Minneapolis had the first death, then they had the first protest. Then the protests spread everywhere else. When Minneapolis evolved into rioting against the police, into a mini war, then the rest of the country, the protest spread to the rest of the world. And now all the other places that police tried to solve with more brutality on top of the accusations, now those places are starting to have an uprising against the cops. This is where things got weird for a couple of weeks. It got really complicated in June, but it began in June 6th when this s*** really started happening where the entire country not just protest, but riots. And not just riots, but good guys on both sides, or both good guys on the good side, and two different factions of bad guys, all in some sort of guerrilla warfare happening in major cities all over the country. We got people in New York City, both good police officers and protesters uniting entirely, uniting against corrupt departments supporting abusive behavior. So they're coming together, they're standing. This is a great line that's being drawn right now because we get videos of police officers taking knees with protesters walking hand in hand, marching down the streets. And we have other videos of police officers plowing through people, shooting them, tear gassing them, pulling out lethal weaponry on people, assaulting people who aren't even part of the protests. Like the kids who were just driving out of college. So crazy there's a war happening and you got to pick a side. But s*** kept getting crazy. And this is where we have the curfews getting established throughout the United States. Not even related to the COVID because businesses were closing. But you weren't obligated to stay at home. That was an advisory. Now being outside is illegal.

Cristina: That has to do with the protest.

Jack: That was with the protest. People were being. It was that crazy. In major cities, people were being sent home at a certain time about 8pm and you had to do it.

Cristina: You have to go home to stop you from protesting.

Jack: Stop the protesters and stop the rioting and stop the looting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And stop the dangerous behavior between the cops and the protesters. It got really crazy. And arrests at random and attacks on peaceful protesters. And by riot police. This is done by riot police throughout that whole time. So they just got more vicious after the curfews were put. Basically. Martial law was established in June.

Cristina: Yeah. Is that the same month where we were getting weird videos about what police were doing? Like some of them were dressing up and pretending to be protesters. Some of them were putting. What are those? Bricks. Bricks everywhere.

Jack: Yes, all of that. They were stacking bricks together. They were breaking windows while dressed like protesters and s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: All that is the same. Because now they're trying to do their own more. Hey man, you're getting negative attention on us. And this should not you we're gonna get negative attention on. And TIFA was just the racist cops. Just the racist cops trying to frame the protesters and have a reason to be violent against them. But that didn't last long because June 7, footage of off duty officers out of uniform looting and torching properties surface. And that's where we get to see these videos.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And see that when you pull their mask off, it turns out that guy's a f****** officer.

Cristina: Like the ending of Scooby Doo.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: You take off the mask. Like what?

Jack: And who found out it was the f****** meddling kids.

Cristina: It was the meddling kids. Whoa.

Jack: Towards the end of June 7, we started getting the videos of police arresting police. I saw some really weird s*** that day. Particularly the cops that broke into a store fully in uniform to beat the crap out of protesters. To then have other cops enter behind them, draw their guns on the original cops to walk in, tell them to put the gun. Because they were about. The cops who went in first were just gonna shoot unarmed people. That was their goal. Then the second wave of cops walked into the store as well. And their. Nope, put your s*** down. And they started arresting each other.

Cristina: That was f****** complicated. Yeah.

Jack: Cops arresting cops. It got really weird. We had cops talking bad about cops. Cops out high ranking cops discharging people. There was a white cop snapping out some innocent protester who had no weapons. Being common everything. And his senior came up and Told him, you're f******. Get the f*** out of here. And that's caught on video. Just this lady walks up. His senior was a woman who just walked up and is like, get out. You're off of it.

Cristina: Yes. What?

Jack: And so we had a lot of that.

Cristina: This is when they talk of no more police or that's a little later.

Jack: This is the month where that conversation. It began early and it started to take form as the month went along. And around the 22nd, we get a. From the CDC and the WHO that the. The band the WHO, CDC and the band, the who. We get told that more than 80% of cases in March might have gone undetected. Because now we find out you don't necessarily show symptoms if you have it.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: Because now we're starting to get testing in hospitals and things in Mass, and we're finding out, holy crap. There are many, many, many people who have no symptoms. This has already escaped our control. It is God knows who has it. And that's complicated because as we close the month, we've only pretty much been testing people who have either gone to get tested or gone to the hospital at this point. And we've hit that number globally at 10 million by the end of June.

Cristina: 10 million. Which last month, 6 million.

Jack: Yes. So we roughly doubled up. A little less than doubled up. That's how we end June. But then July comes, a relatively tame month. Things don't really happen.

Cristina: Probably more still talks about what to do with those cops.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Like police reform becomes a new thing. Besides just getting rid of them. How about we just change the system?

Jack: Yeah. Because of the amount of protesting. That became one of the main things we had to do. And the protesting had not stopped. It will not stop. It's kind of still going on right now, 20, 21. It's never stopped. That ball got started and it's still f****** rolling. There's a place that's had a little over, like, five months of protest straight since they began.

Cristina: Good.

Jack: Fair enough. But, yeah, so that's definitely around July. It starts to take place in New York City, particularly, where they start to actually implement some of these things.

Cristina: Actually. They actually did.

Jack: Yeah. They start firing police officers and they start starting with the people who killed George Floyd. They're starting to get punished. But now they cases are opened everywhere and they're flipping over this law. They've brought up the law that allows paperwork to always be hidden from the public relative to cops and junk.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So now that's immediately got moved to the top main court. S***. And now it's being debated whether we should get rid of this because it is definitely allowing abuse of power.

Cristina: Definitely.

Jack: So that's all being discussed. And we come to July 7. US surpasses 3 million infections WHO withdraw. So we're just like, you guys don't know what you're doing. Because we know what we're doing. Like, any help is better than no help.

Cristina: No. We have the vice president. He takes charge.

Jack: He takes charge.

Cristina: He's gonna protect us.

Jack: He is better than the ban.

Cristina: The who. Science knowledge.

Jack: Hey, who knows how much science knowledge? He's probably a closeted scientist. Studied all the things, of course. Who. Who do you trust more to deal with the virus? The vice president or the band? The who. Right. Okay.

Cristina: Fair enough.

Jack: See how that works? You think, like, I guess they mean chill music, but, like, do they know chemistry? And it's like, even if Pence doesn't.

Cristina: Know chemistry, he's got the Space Force on his side.

Jack: He does.

Cristina: They could help.

Jack: He's already sort of science y. Yeah, Space Force. Now Covid, it seems like he's at least staying in the sciences.

Cristina: Such weird jobs.

Jack: The most religious guy any of us know is who got put in charge of science.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Crazy. He's going to pray at it. He's going to pray at it. But July 9, things escalate a little more. And it's because in Florida and in Texas, there's regions that people were catching it the entire time, but there were groups of people who were actually staying at home en masse. And those people started getting into the hospital with COVID What was going on? Well, they sent some teams out there to start investigating and checking out what the h***'s happening, because these are rural places where, like, people weren't going anywhere. A lot of them are seniors, and they're just staying home to be safe. But it turns out the virus went airborne. It mutated, and now there's an airborne strain in the South.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: And that kind of throws a wrench in all the plans, because how do you hide from something that's going to catch you in your house, whether or not you're around people?

Cristina: But it can't just go into your house, can it? It's not like traveling into houses, is it?

Jack: But, like, on its own, you can't leave the inside of your home, even to your own property, because Air.

Cristina: Yes, yes. Someone who has it might have walked by, and then it's just there hanging out.

Jack: And that doesn't help that we're having some of the craziest wind, which is problematic.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: S*** gets weird. So, yeah, now it's airborne. And by. We end July with an airborne virus at 17 million cases global.

Cristina: Whaat.

Jack: What's interesting about this is the numbers are going down. We're not doubling up anymore. The numbers are already huge, so every time we. 0.5, it's still kind of excessive, but the amount it's spreading is still going down. Interesting enough collectively, like, we're no longer double each time, even if way more people have it. We're definitely based on the numbers figuring it out. Even if it looks like there's a bunch of a******* not following rules or whatever.

Cristina: There's enough doing the right thing.

Jack: There's enough doing the right thing. Yeah. And then we enter August. This is a weird one, because s*** gets complicated pretty quickly. So we begin August and immediately with a bang. Yes, with a bang.

Cristina: Hey, like January, sort of.

Jack: Yeah, kind of. Sometimes months start with a bang. And the particular bang here on August 4th was also on August 4th, by the way. Two bangs on the 4th of two different months.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Interesting. Okay, also, side note, every president who doesn't show up to another president's inauguration has John in their name. Just saying. Just a weird fact about life.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Here's spitting gems. Here's a gem for you. Every president that's ever not gone to the inauguration of another president has been in some manner, shape, or form, had the name John. Had the name John.

Cristina: But there have been Johns who have been there.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: All the ones that didn't go were John. Were John. Okay.

Jack: And that is Donald. Yes, Donald John Trump. I thought it was Junior until I looked this up.

Cristina: How would you think? Why didn't he. Him naming his child Junior wouldn't make sense. You don't name your child Junior if you're a Junior Canopy.

Jack: The second third would be Junior. The third. There you go.

Cristina: Yeah, but his name is Junior.

Jack: His first name.

Cristina: No, it's Donald Junior, Isn't it? Don Junior, they always call him. Yeah, but is Donald junior?

Jack: Yeah, they don't have to say the third, but he would be. Anyways. Not the point. So the Beirut explosion in Lebanon, that.

Cristina: Was in August 4th.

Jack: Yes, on August 4th. The Beirut explosion in Lebanon, which was two consecutive explosions. One was relatively tame, which got all the cameras out. People started looking and whatever. And then the second one went off, which played a little like a nuke.

Cristina: It looks like, when you see it.

Jack: Yeah. Mushroom cloud and everything.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: And it cleared out a giant. It destroyed Beirut root. It got Wrecked pretty badly and killed over 190 people and injured more than 6,000. Windows for miles broken, popped no more windows. Buildings in the immediate vicinity.

Cristina: No more buildings.

Jack: No more buildings. They cease to exist. They have been removed from this universe.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: F****** nuts. And due to. It's due to unsecure tons. Tons. Almost 3,000 tons of ammonium nitrogen stored in hangars in the city's port.

Cristina: Yep. That they totally forgot about or something. Yeah.

Jack: They were like, it's fine here. Nobody said s*** for the last couple of years. It's totally fine. Ignored it. And boom. Then boom. S*** got real. That's how we started the year. A nuke style catastrophe.

Cristina: That was a pretty crazy explosion. Just to watch it. And then all the conspiracies about that and like was it a nuke or was it a bomb from somewhere else or what is. You know. No one wanted to believe what it was.

Jack: Nobody wanted to believe it was what it was. Then August 12th, we find out that severe obesity increases mortality risk from COVID which explains why it spreads like wildfire in the United States. Predominantly in major cities where the unhealthy McDonald's lovin, KFC loving, obese, diabetic, cancerous heart disease, having high blood pressure, having way too much sugar, having no exercise and I'm not gonna eat anything minorly green people live. And so it becomes way apparent why we're doing way worse than the rest of the world.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's because we're unhealthy as f***. And it predominantly kills unhealthy people. It began on the elderly. That was how it began.

Cristina: Oh yeah. We didn't mention that. But yes.

Jack: But then as many mutations kept happening, it shifted and it landed on fat people. Fat people. People with. Because it took a while to get to fat people though. It went through smokers. There's a strain that attacks smokers. But there's a strain that if you're a smoker, you're less likely to get what. That's a f******. There was a strain that gives you heart problems. There's one that only affects you if you have heart problems.

Cristina: There was one that was attacking children.

Jack: There was one that was attacking children. There was one that was particularly dangerous for diabetics. So many different strains just mutates any f****** chance it gets. It's f****** crazy. But whatever. So we find that out and then on the 17th, COVID 19, now the third leading cause of death in the U.S. somehow we've still managed to out drive Covid. Right. Is that the other what are the other two?

Cristina: I like. The other one is, like, accidentally falling into something, like something really retarded.

Jack: 5 Ways to Die Us. Oh, s***. So heart disease, then cancer, then Covid.

Cristina: I thought accidents.

Jack: I thought accidents were number one, but it's number three. Yeah, I thought accidents, but I guess I'm wrong. So heart disease, then cancer, and now Covid. Then Covid. Interesting. Covid's a strong runner.

Cristina: I really thought accidents was gonna be up there. It is up there, but it's not.

Jack: It's up there. Not worse than Covid. We're not out here trying to fight heart disease with everything we've got. We're not out here trying to fight cancer with everything we've got. We definitely came up with an immediate vaccine for Covid, though. Rich people got threatened. That's why when rich people get scared, they. They do whatever the f*** they need to. Money goes into everything. But if it's like they're making fat people decisions, they're. Of course you're gonna have heart problems.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But you can educate them. No, no, no. That wastes my money. But now there's a plague that might get to you. Oh, no. That requires my money. Yeah, so that's how that works. So, yeah, Covid becomes the third leading cause, right behind cancer and heart disease. And then on the 19th, Trump was asked about QAnon at a press conference. QAnon? The people who brought you Epstein's Island?

Cristina: Yes. The people who are trying to protect the world from pedophiles. Evil predo. Pedophile.

Jack: Reptilian, Illuminati. Pedophiles who drink children blood.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which is conflicting because. Are they raping the kids or are they harvesting the kids?

Cristina: I think they're doing both.

Jack: They're raping them and to scare them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then you take their blood.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh, so they're vampires.

Cristina: Yes, they're vampires.

Jack: They break in.

Cristina: They're shape shifting vampires. Blood sucking. Yeah, they're vampires.

Jack: Yeah. Kind of fits. Okay, fair enough.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But when asked about it and whether he supports them, and they explain that these are crazy conspiracy theorists. Not to say they're actually crazy. This is what the media said. I think these people do know what they're talking about to some degree. They're kind of crazy. Don't get me wrong. They're out of f****** minds. But they're not wrong. They're misguided. They are too passionate about something they've not looked deep in enough to like. They haven't done the work.

Cristina: They're disconnecting things they're being told by.

Jack: Some omniscient other douchebag.

Cristina: What's going on?

Jack: What's going on? They're like, well, let's go. Let's do fear. F****** Q is good. He knows the truth. And it's like, okay, look, some of this stuff is true, but you guys are idiots about your approach, and you're not well informed on how it's true. You're just assuming how it's true.

Cristina: Yes. And then I saw videos of a lady who went to a store where the masks were and she destroyed it for QAnon. She destroyed the mask display.

Jack: Makes sense.

Cristina: Masks are killing us.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, They've laced our masks with things that make us stupid or something.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And so, yeah, when told about this, Trump was like, I don't know. I don't even know how to make an impression. I don't know. I don't know much about the movement other than I understand they like me very much, which I appreciate, but I don't know much about the movement.

Cristina: I don't. He sounds evil. He sounds like Batman.

Jack: Hey, he does sound like Batman.

Cristina: I'm not sure.

Jack: And then on August 28th, first known case of COVID re infection reported in the US a person who was cleared and seems to have not have it anymore now has it again, which means you don't stay immune for long.

Cristina: So then what about all these vaccine things? Will they help out if you can just get it again or. It's like the flu, you get it every year.

Jack: Well, assuming that it doesn't work anywhere near as powerful as that, and that your immunity fades after a couple of months, just two or three as it seems. That's really a temporary measure. The goal would be have enough supply. Vaccinate your entire population. The virus has nowhere to go. Isolate those that still have it, vaccinate them, eradicate it. Like smallpox.

Cristina: Will never be that organized.

Jack: We've done it before.

Cristina: Okay, like smallpox.

Jack: Just a matter of doing it right.

Cristina: Until there were ladies who decided their children doesn't need the smallpox vaccine.

Jack: And then it spread all over again, so. Cuz.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: We did it because. Essential oils. Why not? It's those people. Anyways, we close this month off with 25 million cases. Still slowing down. Now we're what, less than one third up? It's way less than before. Numbers are still coming down. But here's what's funny. Everywhere else in the world, they're slowing down.

Cristina: In the US it's growing.

Jack: Most of that increase is just us. That's where it starts to get really complicated. Because us continues to grow exponentially while other places are successfully lowering in town. Enter September. We're long past the January, February, March inferno that Australia was dealing with. It was horrendous. It was awful. But we got through it. We got rid of it. They're gone. We're free. You guys get to rest. It's finally done. You guys can go back home. All you firefighters from California that came to help you get to go home. You Australian firefighters who made it through, you're good. Oh my God, there's a fire in California. We gotta go home to fight a fire also. You Australians, come with us. We need you. Enter the actual worst fire in the planet's history.

Cristina: The California fire.

Jack: Yes. The fast moving bear fire, which was propelled by apparently lightning strikes and 45 mile an hour winds that spread that b**** the f*** out in an hour. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. That was f****** crazy. Burned a hillside by the Bidwell Bar Bridge. The fire tore through 230,000 acres in one 24 hour period. That s*** is not f****** around. That wind was not f****** around. Nevertheless, that wind was followed by a giant cool chill.

Cristina: Then other wildfires spread across California, reaching Oregon and Washington.

Jack: Yes, the craziest part about these are that they weren't even lightning strikes or anything of that nature. It was literal embers. Giant. The winds were so strong they carried over still lit embers that were giant chunks enough to not go out on their travel across state lines.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: Land in a different forest and ignite that s***. What?

Cristina: What?

Jack: That's crazy. That's the one that happened in Washington. Yeah, it just flew across from California, landed there and boom, now you're on fire too. So the f****** planets burning at this point. United States is on fire. One of the largest fire or the largest fire in history. We're talking we just lost the Amazon and Australia and somehow. Yeah, let it, let it all burn. All of it. God's like I said once, I wouldn't drown the world. And so he's fair setting it on fire.

Cristina: Because he didn't promise that.

Jack: Okay, yeah, he didn't promise no fire. That was his favorite to start with. Think about it. Saddam and Gomorrah drop that f****** fire from the sky. F*** these people. That's how you do it. Extinguish m************. But yeah, so that's how the f*** that went. And collectively it destroyed so many f****** homes and burned through at least 2.5 million acres in California.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: One of those fires I don't know if it was during that month or later on where the. They were trying to do a child's rebuke. A baby sex reveal party thing.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Gender reveal.

Cristina: Gender reveal, that's the word.

Jack: But it's wrong. It's. Sex reveal is the right one.

Cristina: Oh, well. Anyway. And that started a fire.

Jack: Yeah. Cuz white people in fireworks America. Yeah, that's what happens. I hope they enjoy jail.

Cristina: Like you know what's happening in California. And then you do that. Though that should be illegal, shouldn't it?

Jack: I think it is illegal.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. You're expecting too much from people who don't think a lot. They should know more. Yes, Most people should know more. Most people don't know more. People are inherently stupid. Those people are a prime example of white privilege.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Moving on. September 23rd, a new, more contagious strain of COVID is discovered. Because that's how the story goes.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: Before we had airborne. Now the previous original one that arrived has a strain which can fight most of the things in your immune system. Now you're more likely to catch it.

Cristina: Nice.

Jack: And that's to say the airborne strain is now popping up in a lot more places. It's either moving because people are traveling with it, or other strains are evolving to be airborne as well.

Cristina: Yeah, that could be awesome.

Jack: Which is problematic because vaccines come around. Do they work on all the strains?

Cristina: That is the big question that we gotta find out.

Jack: Big question. And then the global COVID deaths surpass 1 million. We have 1 million deaths of COVID landing the end of September with a total number of cases reported at 33 million. A million deaths, though still slowing down gradually. More and more, it's just crawling to a halt. Then we get to October.

Cristina: The first hornet nest is discovered in America. And it was destroyed. It was in Washington state.

Jack: Yes, yes.

Cristina: The Nest had 800 workers and nearly 200 queens were produced from that single nest.

Jack: And there's a soon to be more.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we're just on the hunt for them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah. So that's October for you. We have on October 2nd, Trump and the first lady test positive for COVID 19 and Trump enters the hospital. On October 5th, Trump leaves the hospital but continues receiving treatment. By October 8th, the White House had a Covid outbreak that reached 34 staff members.

Cristina: Ridiculous. Did he do that? I think he did that.

Jack: He just went back home and spread it to everybody. So as we are reaching the end of October, the flooding that was happening earlier in the year hasn't stopped. Yet.

Cristina: But flooding from India and Nepal.

Jack: Yeah. And as that's finally coming to a close, or not coming to close, but falling lower than it was before, people start calculating the destruction which got excessive because the river resulted in the death of. The river's flooding resulted in the death of 189 people and left over 4 million homeless in India and Nepal, all by the end of October. They were living a separate kind of h*** on top of the fact that they were dealing with the virus in that whole time.

Cristina: 4 million homeless.

Jack: Ah, what End of times. And then we end October with a total infection count of 45 million. But if you notice, that was a.

Cristina: Little bit of a jump there from 33 to 45.

Jack: Now we're over 1/4 gain when we were only just a little. I guess we've been doing about 1/4 for a while now. Okay, fair enough. But we go into November then getting. Getting close to the end here, the end of days, and we enter November and, you know, we have a crazy presidential campaigning and debating and stuff. And then finally on November 3rd is.

Cristina: Oh, before we talk about the elections, I do want to mention a little bit about the Deb. Just one thing. My favorite thing that I probably already talked about, but come on, come on. Trump talks about Biden's plans to replace the windows. No, to destroy buildings and then rebuild them to make little windows.

Jack: Tiny windows.

Cristina: Tiny windows.

Jack: He wants have all the buildings with tiny windows.

Cristina: Tiny windows. Yep. He wants to destroy all of them, replace them just with tinier windows. That's the evil thing.

Jack: Also, Pence became Lord of the Flies.

Cristina: Yes. That was a huge thing, too. That fly was a star in those debates.

Jack: Yes. People love it. He's the most celebrity ever existed.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: It's the most famous. The only thing more famous than Trump is that fly.

Cristina: Yes. No. November 3rd, the election day happens, and.

Jack: It'S an excruciating day with battles and swords and guns and tanks rolling on the street, missiles dropped.

Cristina: The date like, it lasted three days, four days.

Jack: Well, people were waiting to see how the count happens, which didn't end because many, many more votes way under prepared. November 4th, Trump, he claims that the results are bullshit. That because he ended, obviously. Okay, so the process goes that you begin counting the first ballots that were walking and then you count the ballots that were mailed in. This applies this way to most states. Trump almost exclusively told his people to vote through ballots in person.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: While Biden told everybody to stay f****** home and vote from their house. So the ones that are counted first.

Cristina: Are Trump's are Trump's votes. So his numbers get higher.

Jack: So his numbers get higher. Exactly. They have to be higher because you told everybody to vote in person and the states vote in person. Trump's original goal was to have himself declared president by the end of the first day, to completely exclude any mail in balance. But he found that incredibly difficult because it's illegal and you're gonna go to jail if you do that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that plan got flushed down the toilet, and then propaganda had to come into play, which is where he comes in and tells people that it's bullshit that I'm losing because I was winning yesterday. Yes, but you should have told people to vote by mail, because anybody who was like, I'm not voting by mail. It's crooked, but was too lazy to come in is a vote you lost.

Cristina: And he wants them to recount the.

Jack: Votes and stuff in many, many places that recounted by their own Republicans.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And turned out it wasn't fraud.

Cristina: And also, he has this crazy conspiracy that counting votes turn you evil, which I don't understand. Like, if they're turning you evil, why would you trust the next people to count the votes if the counting's gonna turn those people evil?

Jack: What's fascinating is that the exact same process took place in the previous election.

Cristina: Well, they were all evil. Yeah.

Jack: Because it worked in his favor. He was cool with it.

Cristina: Yes. Once it wasn't. Yeah.

Jack: And that's how that goes. So that's crazy. That happens for a while. And we. We get in the same day that the fourth, where he's over here like, no, this is all bullshit. I secretly won, and they're trying to steal it from me. The United States also reports that the daily coronavirus cases have surpassed a hundred thousand in the country collectively. So we're getting 100,000 cases daily in the country.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And so eventually, Thanksgiving is cancelled.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: And people can't go anywhere. You're not allowed to have Thanksgiving. It's canceled. No more. Thanksgiving is legal. But nobody listens and goes and gathers anyways in mass. Many, many, many, many, many people gather in mass. And slowly but surely, s*** gets out of hand and we close the month. With Trump continuing to reject the election results, of course, unendingly, and just claiming it's all fraud. And November closes with a count of 62 million infections global.

Cristina: That's. How much more than 45 is that getting?

Jack: We're getting close to doubling up. All right, this is one. It's plus one half. So we're over 25% now. Now we're doing plus half. Yeah. So we're. That. That's entirely due that jump. That's Thanksgiving right there.

Cristina: That's Thanksgiving.

Jack: People are f****** idiots.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then finally, we hit December, where things get kind of weird. So, December 9, in his bid to overturn the election, the. A bunch of documents and crap are rushed over to the Supreme Court to try to overthrow the decision of the voting and whatever. But it's all rejected. Some of it justly, some of it unjustly. Ironically enough, at some point, they literally stop looking at the cases coming in. And I'm sorry, but it's your job.

Cristina: To look at that.

Jack: To look at the cases coming in.

Cristina: That's your only job.

Jack: That's your only job. You supposed to look at cases. Now you're starting to look crooked because you're just preemptively deciding it's a lie. And look, it doesn't matter if a million of them were. If the millionth and one is true.

Cristina: We need to know.

Jack: We need to know. So you better be looking at all these f****** cases, not deciding. I'm tired of looking at these cases.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He could propose a billion of them, and you look through every single f****** one. That's why you're there. You're not gonna do your job then leave your f****** post and let somebody who's gonna go do it be there because you're clearly not getting the point.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's problematic in this time. Videos of people taking ballots from under tables showed up. Some of them were disproved, some of them were proved. Some of them were disproved as fraudulent because the containers were right. They were just under a table, and they keep them stored. But the behavior that surrounded the circumstance was particularly weird, in which everybody was told to. They were done, and then these people brought more ballots without supervision and continued to do everything. Now, in the video that shows this particular incident, you see the containers, right? The way they're counting looks right. Everything seems to be right, with the exception that only three people were left in the building, and the reporters and the vote and the poll watchers were all gone. They thought counting was over because the people said, we're not gonna count anymore. You could stay, but we're not gonna count. And everybody left. And then they kept counting without supervision. Now, on camera, we can't see them screening these themselves, but there's nothing really stopping us from missing how they're doing it effectively in front of a camera. That's really weird that they would continue to count after all supervision is gone.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's a very strange thing. That is one of I believe three identical videos of the sort. Most of the accused frauds are irrational things that a normal person can just debunk themselves. Including the one that there were a lot of ballots kept or lost by the post office. Which is stupid because if that was the case, over 80% of all ballot votes were for Biden because he told people to vote by ballot and Trump told his not to. So if there were votes missing, which I don't believe that there was a giant landslide difference between their voting count. You're telling me that Biden won by more. If they were missing. That doesn't really fit. I do think it was way closer. If there was fraud, it wasn't significant enough to make change. And if there was, it would be in favor of Biden. Which is weird argument to have.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That the fraud, the poster service failed us inside. You mean the people who were bringing in the left votes. What a weird argument to have.

Cristina: You need an argument though.

Jack: You need an argument. I guess it doesn't work though. It's very, very not thought out. Not to say I do believe there's fraud. There's always fraud. There's never not fraud in an election. But that fraud isn't this crazy thing that they think it's. If there's fraud, it's way more intricate and the normal person wouldn't understand how complicated the systems that led to successfully committing fraud are. That's why the mass who are pretending they have the capacity to understand what informed individuals who strategically planned in privacy how to execute fraudulent tasks in secrecy legally so that it's all through the books except getting caught. That's the only time it becomes illegal. So it's all by the books. You're not supposed to understand. If you believe you understand. You bought into a conspiracy theory. There is no exception to that rule. You bought into a conspiracy theory. There is fraud. No question. And I'm sure because of how bad the system hates Trump.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That there is strategic.

Cristina: They're just the tide of him.

Jack: Yeah. I'm so sure it was planned to get him out. I'm also sure it was done by means that would be too complicated. If it was illegal. It's too complicated for you to understand how it's illegal.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Whatever you think you figured out is a lie. You're an idiot. You just believe in some bullshit. And if it wasn't done illegally, it was orchestrated legally with the help of many people, many lobbyists, many people with money and Deepak as trying to get a madman losing the money out of office.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So regardless, I'm on the side of that didn't happen. It wasn't legal by any means. I do believe illegal fraud happened, but it's not what other people think happened. Would Trump have won? I'm not sure. I feel like he's created and he's generated enough hate.

Cristina: It's really hard to tell that.

Jack: Yeah, I think it would have been close anyways. I don't think there's a landslide in Biden's favor. I don't think that's right. I think it was pretty close. But whatever people think is the fraud your fault, if it could stay on the Internet, clearly it wasn't well executed. You're just falling down rabbit holes. That's all it is. And if you're falling down rabbit holes, I highly recommend you educate yourself because you are not the most informed individual. It is important to get factual information.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And in December 14, finally, the electoral College, which are the most corrupt part of the entire election process because. Corruption, period. Their concept is corrupt. They finally choose Joe Biden as president. They affirm he is the president elect for a fact.

Cristina: That's the end of that until. What is it the end of June or something? Is it next up?

Jack: No, it's January.

Cristina: Oh, January.

Jack: January 20th.

Cristina: 20Th. Okay. And then in December, what everyone's been waiting for aliens. That's what everyone before December came predicted. It would be aliens. And it was aliens. We're told that aliens are real.

Jack: Aliens are real. And they have been real.

Cristina: They have been real. And it was from a former Israel space security chief called Haim Eshed. I think that's how you pronounce it. He said that the Galactic Federation has been waiting for us to reach the stage where we will understand what space and spaceships are, which I feel like we're there, but whatever. They're still waiting. But they don't think we're ready for them. Not yet. So there must be something about spaceship technology that we haven't figured out. I guess we can't maybe warp speed.

Jack: No, man. We can't even, like, reach our moon quickly. Yeah. Definitely has to be some speed threshold because we're just not just bound to our planet, but we're so bound to our planet, it's theoretical, that we can get to Mars. That's a planet over. We haven't figured it out.

Cristina: It's theoretical. Figured it figured out. Then maybe they'll be like, hey, we're.

Jack: Here, I think, truly exploring Our star system is where they show up, which is nowhere near. I think that's the moment that they show themselves, when we have the ability to easily traverse space. And not like it's taking us mad years to cross space, but, like, we can. Hey, I'm going on vacation for the weekend. I'm headed to Mars.

Cristina: That would be awesome. Well, the aliens are curious about us and are seeking to understand the fabric of the universe. The aliens are scientists. I guess that's.

Jack: That's the only way that would happen.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. Also, they have an underground base in Mars where American astronauts and aliens are hanging out.

Jack: So we've already been to Mars.

Cristina: Yep. I guess we. Yes. So there's some other space technology that we haven't figured out since we're already in Mars. I guess.

Jack: See, I was on board with this guy, and then you say that part, and I'm like.

Cristina: Why would this guy say that?

Jack: He ruined it. He ruined the illusion.

Cristina: Well, the U.S. government and the aliens signed a contract so that they could do experiments here. So I guess they agree with the aliens abducting us and all those stories.

Jack: I mean, I doubt they're abducting us.

Cristina: And also, President Donald Trump knows about it, and he's been. He's been wanting to let us know, but has been asked not to do it, not to tell us because of mass hysteria. And I guess that's good enough for him. He's like, yeah, I won't.

Jack: I'm super sure he doesn't know, because that's the biggest lie. If he knew, we'd all know.

Cristina: He'd be hinting to it.

Jack: He wouldn't even be hinting to it. He would flat out just tell us, Adam. Sheer amazement.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He would be like, holy f***, people. Aliens.

Cristina: Yep. I'm the best president. I let you know. Aliens.

Jack: You wouldn't have gotten this from Obama.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. And that's pretty much it. That we know about the aliens. It's just that they're waiting for us to learn about space and spaceships, even though we have the technology to be on Mars already and have a space station there already. I guess.

Jack: Yeah, apparently.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: And people trolling, decided it would be funny to put monoliths everywhere, everywhere and make them disappear.

Cristina: Monoliths all over the place.

Jack: Put in, people, find them, take them down. Then people like, whoa, where to go, bro?

Cristina: Yeah. And they thought that was aliens, but no way. I saw one that was made out of gingerbread.

Jack: That's fantastic. And the same one that came from one place showed up in the other was identical. Yeah, and then they found out, oh, we can remove it.

Cristina: We are the aliens.

Jack: We are the aliens. We're being trolled by an artist. I forgot the artist's name. But yeah, it was an artist Rendi, not a rendition. It was just a performance art thing. And so also in December, vaccines, the quickest round of vaccine development in history has taken place because rich people are scared to die. So they funded anything I'm promising you. Not only is it already likely that we have the cure to AIDS and cancer and like dying, but like if we don't, rich people can fund the f*** out of it and like get it done overnight. Like realistically, it would be a breeze. There's just no motivation. Yeah, you need cancer because you make money off of the medication for cancer. But if a plague of cancer was ravaging that couldn't be cured and it's exclusively killing rich people, tomorrow you'd have the solution to that problem. Tomorrow it would be done tomorrow.

Cristina: And then we saw a bunch of videos of doctors who were getting the vaccine but weren't really getting.

Jack: Oh yeah, the vaccine was already approved and people were taking it on TV to promote that it's healthy and safe. And the doctors that made the vaccine weren't really getting it. Those needles weren't piercing their skin or anything.

Cristina: Yep. Suspicious.

Jack: Very.

Cristina: What is it?

Jack: Very, very. That includes the doctors that made it and Nancy Pelosi.

Cristina: What? How dare she.

Jack: Who also faked getting a f****** vaccine. Additionally, Christmas was cancelled and as a result everybody went to their families houses anyways and prepare for this next explosive wave.

Cristina: Also Santa Claus, they, they let everyone know that Santa Claus doesn't have to worry about COVID because he's immune. Oh yeah, he's immune to Covid.

Jack: Yeah, because he's the God of the elves or something. Is that what he is? He's the God of the elves, Right? Some s*** like that. Yeah. So that's pretty much the year we end December with a total of 80 million global cases. So that's fun.

Cristina: That's fun.

Jack: It's always exciting ending the year on a high note. Get it? High note. But yeah. Quick summary out of. Due to climate change, there were 41 total disasters around the world. Around the world. Of which 8, 18 were in the US. This includes wildfires, hurricanes, typhoons. Five storms made landfall in Louisiana this hurricane season. Yep.

Cristina: Breaking the state record for the most strikes in a single season.

Jack: Yes, there were 30 main storms and.

Cristina: Three of the four fires in California were the biggest they ever Had.

Jack: Yep. And pollution decline in major cities. But it was short lived because eventually we got bored and came back up.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. It didn't really matter. The driving less and flying less helped a little for a little while, but.

Jack: But it is what it is. That's how we. That was. That was 2020. That was we. And we're all still here. The work. The world didn't end.

Cristina: It got better. The future's now. We have space travel, a base in Mars.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Last episode you said we do we already go to Mars actually. So this makes sense. That guy was telling the truth.

Jack: Yeah, I guess he was always right. Yeah, he was just revealing secrets that he shouldn't have revealed at that time. And now he's gonna get Epstein'd by other people. But that's cool.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because he's talking. He's talking too much. They know he can't be trusted. Yeah. That's a 2020 right there for you.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: An exciting year.

Cristina: See what 2021 brings.

Jack: That being said, things that didn't even get mentioned on list is the fact that police were in fact removed en masse from New York City. Eventually that led to a mass spike in crime. And a couple of other cities also tried the same thing. Crime rates over the roof, specifically gun related assaults and murders skyrocketed. We had many civil wars all over the country.

Cristina: We destroyed statues.

Jack: Yes. We knocked down statues in the name of civil rights, which was just the government's way to distract us from the fact that there were civil rights problems happening. And by redirecting everybody's focus towards the statues. People feel like they accomplish things if they agree to remove statues and don't really have to change the police forces. Which seems to be exactly what's happening now that after the statues became the focus, Police department stopped being disbanded.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So pretty much more of the same in that angle. Companies all lined with somebody left or right. Somebody picked the side, whatever. Everybody flocked like crazy to. What the f*** is it called? The Parlor. To the Parlor app. Because Twitter and Facebook are shills.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, pretty much. 2020.

Cristina: 2020.

Jack: So yeah, this was the review. The just conversation. Rambling review.

Cristina: Yes. So Happy New Year's. Although I said it last episode, so I can't say it now.

Jack: I like how that sounds. Rambling review. That was the rambling review of 2020.

Cristina: Yes. That's how we start off the year.

Jack: Yeah. That's how. That's how we got here, man. That was just the history of how the we got here.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Anyways, I Hope you guys made it with us. I hope you guys are here with us, alive and good and well. If you want to hear the first part of this episode or any other episodes where we can talk conspiracies of COVID and government, you can find the show on the official website@greythoughts.info or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and anywhere else you get your podcast.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok @JustConvopod.

Jack: Yes, and remember to subscribe and rate the show. And if you feel so inclined, review.

Cristina: It and let someone who might like the show know about it.

Jack: Yes, word of mouth. Very powerful. Tell people. Did you forget what happened this year? Was this year very boring to you? Very tame, mellow and repetitive. Did you miss most of the other things? Is that rock you were under way too heavy for you to look out of? Under. Well, here's a show for you. And then you show them this episode.

Cristina: In the first part, you tell them all through telepathy, which is now a thing.

Jack: Which is now a thing. You don't have to go there in person. You just send them a message. We're in the year 2021. We're so in the future. What?

Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks for listening. By who do I think is stronger than Shaggy? What's his name?

Jack: Who? God?

Cristina: No. No. Not even Goku? Not Goku.

Jack: Superman?

Cristina: Chuck Norris.

Jack: You think Chuck Norris could be f****** Shaggy?

Cristina: Shaggy for sure.

Jack: Of all people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: He can do anything.

Jack: So can Shaggy, who's only using 1% of his power all times relative to anybody.

Cristina: We've never seen him do anything besides beat people up. I've never heard about any stories of him making things or any type of godlike powers that Sheik Norris has.

Jack: Here's the thing. Shaggy could beat up somebody like Chuck Norris using only 1% of his power.

Cristina: That's all he has because he hasn't.

Jack: Used the other 99 of his power. That's what you're missing here. With 1%, he can take down gods. Yeah, what does 2% look like? But he doesn't, because he doesn't need to. He could already beat God, and he could beat the. Beat Goku, and he could beat Chuck Norris.

Cristina: But Chuck Norris can do anything.

Jack: So can Dr. Manhattan and Dr. Manhattan get smacked down by Shaggy?

Cristina: Yes. But no. Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor, and Published by GreatThoughts.in Fox, art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

JCP 4.10 Obscure Anomalies & The Unknown

Kris Rustic, Obscure Anomalies, The Just Conversation Podcast, Paranormal, ghosts, Phantoms, funny, show, radio, fringe, monsters, urban legend, monsters, creatures, science fiction, folklore

Guest Kris Rustic, host of the Obscure Anomalies podcast, joins Jack to discuss everything from new music and horror films to the nature of the universe and whether history is correct or warped!

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JCP 2.11.01 Thanksgiving & The Illuminati Attack

Dave The Klone, Thanksgiving, Illuminati, The Just Conversation Podcast, Guest

On this episode the philosophers are joined by Dave “The Klone,” founder of the Hollow9ine Podcast Network. The trio are on site at Government Con showing off their Jaws themed cosplay. There they network and find themselves sucked into the world of directors. Using their newly acquired directing skills they attempt to create something with strong commentary on Jehovah’s beef with snakes. Shortly thereafter the debate of whether Jehovah is Zeus’ brother or not breaks out. Just as the debate is getting too woke the Illuminati attacks the podcasting studio cutting the conversation with Dave short.

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