Rambling 197: Bioventus Strange Mystery
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What happened at the Bioventus Research Facility? What experiments were being run in this facility leading to the incident? Was there some paranormal activity taking place? The duo unpack the most baffling paranormal incident in recent history reviewing police reports and a play by play of events following witness and victim logs. One of the scariest, most confusing episodes of the show to date. The conclusion might be spookier than the event!
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Topics Discussed:
- Classified Experiment
- Science Logs
- Strange Illness
- Flashing Lights
- Ghostly Apparitions
- Paranormal Circumstance
- Alien Observations
- Missing Person
- Murder Suicide
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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I'm your host, Jack.
Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.
Jack: And today. So, you know, it's October and everything.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Last week we had a really weird story. Also, I'm holding. This is the creepy. The creepy stories voice. So last week, by mere chance, I happened to locate. Now, I knew roughly about the. The super deep borehole, but I didn't know it got so weird. You know, everybody's heard about the story of the.
Cristina: Heard about the sound.
Jack: Yeah, it's like. And every. You know, superstitions and blah, blah, blah.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: The usual stuff that happens in life when something odd happens, but like, when you really investigate the superstitious and like. Oh, no, it's just, you know, urban legend that quickly fades and then you just got really weird information left.
Cristina: It's so weird. It's hard to imagine that that's a real story.
Jack: I'm sure a lot of it is bullshit. Like, you got to understand now, all the things that happened are real. But again, I'm sure that a lot of it is just people speculating on things and a lot of superstitious individuals making the reports.
Cristina: Mmm.
Jack: You know, so you put a bunch of religious people in a place, even if they're scientists, you know, the religious aspect of our humanity seems to always kick in. And these things that always seem to jump in are conspiracy theories and monsters and aliens and, oh, this and that and all this. The f****** hole to h***. Allegedly.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But like, no, it was probably, you know, we. Some creature we've never seen is somehow developed down there. And it's not a monster or a demon or anything. It's just some creature. Anytime we go to the very depths of the ocean, we find weird s***.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Why wouldn't this be the same case?
Cristina: Mm. You know, it's possible.
Jack: So the reason I talked about that story last week was because, you know, Halloween's coming, time to get into the weird s***.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And I had the intention of, you know, finding some other science related thing to talk about to, you know, this is something science can't explain. But in trying to find something science couldn't explain, I just found something that science wasn't even involved in or directly involved in. They just happened to be scientists.
Cristina: I don't know what you mean. Like, it's a discovery.
Jack: No. So the super deep borehole is a science experiment. It's science that we can't explain what was ha. Like science can't explain what was happening in the science experiment.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Okay.
Cristina: Or they did and they just never showed us.
Jack: Yes, exactly. Exactly. This isn't science experiment or science can't explain it. Nobody has tried to be scientific about it because it's so random. So allow me to begin by introducing to you Ollie Austin, PhD, Stephanie Ramirez, PhD, and Gerald Larson, PhD. Three scientists. That's as sciencey as this is getting. Okay, now I'll give you some background information. All three scientists work at a place called Bio Ventus.
Cristina: Sounds sciency.
Jack: Some sciency place. And they're science y people. It makes sense. My rabbit hole deep dive for science weirdness was checking out so far.
Cristina: Okay, so is this like a lab in Raccoon City or something?
Jack: No, I wish. That would definitely have been more along the lines of what I was looking for, but this is definitely more along the lines of Halloween. I supp. So all three scientists, now they all work in the same building. None of these three scientists know each other. It's a huge facility and they all have their own respective labs. The only commonality between these three individuals is that they are in their respective projects. The scientists tend to stay late. They're the hardest working of their teams or whatever. They don't know each other. They are totally opposite sides of the building.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Okay. Let us begin. This story takes place through their logs. I guess I'm not. I don't understand why they all have logs. I guess the facility requires anybody to log everything they do, I guess for science journal purposes or whatever.
Cristina: These are real logs.
Jack: These are real logs.
Cristina: People making things up.
Jack: No, no, no. These are logs by these scientists.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Yes. Yeah. So they're not like random people made these up. These are in certain reports by the facility. And these are all traceable logs that the scientists have made as part of their ritualized log keeping or whatever.
Cristina: Okay. Does it matter what kind of scientists they are to the story?
Jack: No, because the story has nothing to do with science. This is again, my search was on point until the story started to unravel.
Cristina: Is this the murder mystery? Should I guess?
Jack: Allow me to get through it.
Cristina: Okay. Okay.
Jack: Okay. So on July 10th of 2012, a late night as usual for all three scientists. This is all according to their reports, and they all report at this very night a series of strange sounds. Now they're all coming from the hallway and they are all totally opposite sides of the building, but they all report directly Outside their door, strange sounds. They're unclear about what these sounds are.
Cristina: Okay. None of them actually look out their door. They just report the sounds.
Jack: It's unclear, based on these reports, whether they look outside. Okay, so we just know that they said, oh, strange noises outside, and the rest just continues as normal. Because they're supposed to log every step of everything they take. So every. Any item they use, any tool they use, any chemical they mix, every. Every time they walk across the thing to touch anything.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Because all of this factors in to whatever the h*** they're working on. So they log that there was strange sounds, and then the log continues as normal. Now to clarify it, and then the scientists were working together or even on.
Cristina: The same project, but they're on the same floor.
Jack: Unclear. I know. They're opposite sides of buildings of the building. They could totally be one on a different floor or whatever. They're just not together.
Cristina: Okay, but the sounds is coming outside of their room. Not outside. Like, outside the building?
Jack: Yes, directly outside their door.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: All of them report that.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Yes. Okay. Now, what's weird about this is since it's coming from their hall directly outside their door, and they're all opposite sides of the building, none of them report it came from the. You know, it didn't come from outside my window or whatever.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Presumably, the sound is coming from the dead center of the building.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Except somehow it's loud enough to hit all of them to the point that they think is directly outside your door. Yeah, but it happens at exactly 8:32pm.
Cristina: That'S not even that late.
Jack: It's late as h*** for somebody to still be at work. If you work nine to five.
Cristina: Yeah, yeah.
Jack: That's like, almost four hours into your work. Overtime.
Cristina: It would be more scary if it was in the ams.
Jack: Okay, yeah, whatever. Not the point.
Cristina: What happens next?
Jack: We'll find out. So 8:32, everybody reports that at this very moment, strange, anomalous, undistinguishable something sounds are happening. So the guy on the left says it came from the right, the guy on the right says it came from the left. The guy in the front says it came from the back, and the one in the back said it came from the front. There are only three people, but you get the image I'm trying to build. There's a location that it seems to be coming from, except it's equally loud. So, like, maybe it was outside of all their doors simultaneously. Now, they all put the. Put the sounds in their log and the following notes. The following notes after the sound were really weird and identical for all three scientists, which was they all felt dizziness, they all felt nausea, and they all felt, following the dizziness and the nausea, the eeriest feeling like they were being watched.
Cristina: I don't understand where the story is going.
Jack: I told you it's strange. And stop trying to anticipate it because it's not gonna go anywhere you'd ever expect. Really a hundred percent. The story is going nowhere. You think? Okay, it is too strange.
Cristina: Is it a sci fi story? At least.
Jack: We'Re gonna find out along the way.
Cristina: Okay, Okay.
Jack: I suppose my telling you would answer this.
Cristina: Okay, continue the story.
Jack: But again, they all logged the sound and they all have exactly the same notes following it. Nausea, dizziness. And I felt like somebody was watching me.
Cristina: Weird, okay?
Jack: Very, very weird. Now at this point I don't know what the f*** is happening because again, it be. Now I'm thinking alien abduction type of s***, right? Like it's totally going in that direction.
Cristina: But it's not.
Jack: We'll find out whether it is or not. Okay, but it's definitely how it feels. So far.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: It a hundred percent feels like aliens are in your building and there's something that's causing the like nausea and the like dizziness, you know, alien radiation or you know, whatever the f****** people would make up. Like I'm sure if just up to this point, like people. The problem is, I know factually that people have made a thousand conspiracy theories stopping at this point, like ignoring the rest of it. They're like, well, clearly the rest of it is just a result of this. Aliens did that and then they hallucinated.
Cristina: The rest of it.
Jack: Yeah, you know, so that's immediately what I stumbled upon. So I'm like, oh, interesting. Let me dig deeper. But those fell apart quick because they literally just stopped at that point. They chose to stop at that point, but the story didn't stop at that point. They made conspiracy theories choosing a point that the story ends essentially. They're like, well, yeah, it was all aliens from that point, but let's, let's decide whether it's all aliens at that point.
Cristina: Okay?
Jack: Now this event began on July 10. So the scientists have daily logs that continued to get kind of weird and erratic following the events.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: On July 24, all three logs reported an extremely bright flash of light appearing instantly and disappearing from the hallway outside their respective labs, all simultaneously.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Weirdest part about this is they all reported that it happened at 8:32pm okay.
Cristina: What is happening at 8:32pm I don't know.
Jack: But this, it's already like, what the f***?
Cristina: And it's like a blink of a second. Like it's instant.
Jack: It's like, what, just a one shot and then it's gone.
Cristina: And then. Do they feel horrible again?
Jack: Well, following this, they didn't report that they felt any. Like, that never was mentioned again. The dizziness and the nausea.
Cristina: Okay. What?
Jack: Yeah, it was just like the one instant following the sounds, but this time it's a light and there's no report of like any sickness or anything. Okay, now like, what is happening there?
Cristina: And how many days is this after.
Jack: You said 10, and then this is 14 days later.
Cristina: 14 days later. Okay. Does it even matter the length of time? I don't know. Well, continue. Sorry.
Jack: I totally relate. Like, I, I don't know. I don't know. I. It's. You gotta understand, I'm baffled as h*** about this because I'm a very science minded person, which was the point of looking for weird sciencey things. And all I did was find scientists that are like reporting on s*** that just continues to break down. And I'm like, okay, so all of you essentially are describing alien abduction setup.
Cristina: Yes. Still sounds like it.
Jack: Dizziness, nausea. Next you got lights?
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Like it's an alien, bro. It has to be, right?
Cristina: I don't know. Where's it?
Jack: And like the conspiracy theories land there. They're all saying aliens. Maybe. In fact, some of the conspiracy theories suggest that on the first time this happened on the 10th, that all three of them were abducted and that anything following this point was either fabricated by the aliens or them under control of the aliens. So they continued the reports just. Nor they continued going through the motions under alien control.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Or that these are all hallucinations you're experiencing because of the alien experiments. Yeah, there's a plethora of things, but again, we're approaching this from a scientific. We're trying to be scientific. Even if everybody else who's looked at this immediately went into like tinfoil hat territory.
Cristina: It's hard not to.
Jack: It is so hard not to. Because of how immediately it looks like aliens.
Cristina: Yes. Especially when it's happening at the same exact time every time it happens directly.
Jack: Outside each of their door. Yeah, like that's, here's, here's the problem with this. If they all reported it directly outside their door, but there was a minute, two minutes, three minutes difference between one moment and the other, like one report and the other, then we'd be like, well, something is traveling the building no. Yeah, but it's instantly at the same moment everywhere.
Cristina: So it seems like they're being adopted. Aducted.
Jack: Abducted.
Cristina: Abducted, yes.
Jack: Well, let's find out. So on July 25, this is 15 days after the initial and one day after the bright light.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Totally different amount of time.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: All three reports say a female scream echoed through the halls of the facility at the same time at exactly 8:32pm.
Cristina: Okay, we have a sound, but you don't know what the sound is. It's just some weird.
Jack: Some. They couldn't describe it. It was too foreign to them.
Cristina: Was there a color to the light?
Jack: Just a bright white flash.
Cristina: White flash. And now a scream.
Jack: Now a female scream that they claim echoed through the facility. Now, both Ollie and Gerald investigated immediately. They just jumped into action. Somebody's in the building getting hurt.
Cristina: Okay, cool.
Jack: They ran the halls and did not find a female at all. Also, this is the first time these two scientists meet because they're like, they couldn't. They corroborate the fact that they both heard the s***.
Cristina: Oh, crap. So are they all three gonna meet in the story?
Jack: Find out.
Cristina: Okay, okay.
Jack: So they meet and they find nothing. They got, you know, I'm assuming they got like a. A buddy cop story or. Not buddy cop, but, you know, like, buddy story. Yeah, we meet in the thing and we go on a flashlight adventure of finding where the scream came from. Who's the guy behind the mask? Scooby, Help us. So, you know that kind of s***. Except they find nothing. They're like, well, I guess somebody played an audio clip or some s*** really loud. But, like, bro, you're way over there. Yeah, dude, you're way over here. So the reports essentially claim that they met each. Because they have to report everything. So the reports claim they met each other and they heard the same sound and they looked for it. And I guess they came to the conclusion that maybe somebody, before leaving the building, played an audio clip or something or was listening to something weird as they walked around the building that allowed both of them to hear it. They don't understand themselves why it happened at exactly the same time at this. Different sides of the building. That's also included as, like, a weird cliff note of like, okay, that happened for real. I guess I'm not going crazy. The other guy said he heard it.
Cristina: Yeah, but do you know if they talked about the past events to each other?
Jack: No, that was not mentioned at all. I do not know if they discussed this. They. They put just the details that mattered about the event. That happened that night.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And then meeting the other person. Okay, that night. Now, while these two guys investigated and they found nothing, the following day, the female, Stephanie Ramirez, was reported missing.
Cristina: What? Wait, did she. She did not write about the woman screaming.
Jack: She wrote about the woman screaming. All three wrote about the woman screaming. Talk about the woman screaming.
Cristina: And then the next day, she's just gone.
Jack: She's just gone. She was never found again. Let me clarify. There was no body to this woman. There was no trace of this woman. This woman ceased to f****** exist that day. Never found again.
Cristina: But she wrote about that. And then she wrote about the rest of her work. Like they would go back and finish their job. Or did she disappear the moment she heard the woman scream?
Jack: No, she heard the woman scream. She continued her work. She did not go investigate. Yeah, she continued. She finished her night, and that was it. And that's the last we ever heard of her. That report. Exactly.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: What the h***? Because you think woman scream. Okay. She yelled because they, too, went to investigate.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Except no. Her report also had a female screen.
Cristina: Yeah. What is happening?
Jack: You see how this is quickly breaking down?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: If it was that, this is the moment that I dropped the alien shtick. Because if it's aliens, it was her screaming. It would have been her screaming. Also important detail.
Cristina: What?
Jack: These are the only three people in the building other than janitors. This is a fact.
Cristina: Okay?
Jack: This is all. Everything in this building is monitored at all times. This is why the LODs are important.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Everything is monitored at all times. Janitors all walk where there's cameras. What's weird is, in later interviews, the janitors were questioned about the event. They got no. They didn't hear s***. They didn't see s***. This is not happening to the janitors.
Cristina: They have cameras everywhere, though.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Did they see her leave?
Jack: No. The cameras are not allowed in the lab rooms. The cameras are in hallways, which is why the janitors aren't allowed in the rooms. They're only allowed in the hallways.
Cristina: But no one saw her leave the room.
Jack: No one saw her leave the room.
Cristina: She finished her work and then disappeared in that room.
Jack: Disappeared in that room. She never stepped outside.
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: Let me also clarify. Not every inch of everything has a camera on it. Like, there's not a camera aiming at her door.
Cristina: Okay?
Jack: You know, there are many cameras to make sure people don't leave with s***. There are many cameras making sure people don't enter private, like, classified areas.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: But there isn't a camera in every inch of the building. Because a lot of it is.
Cristina: Well, that's really hard to imagine that someone like, knew where all the cameras were to sneak around and grab her or some crazy.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. They would be caught somewhere. Yeah, one camera caught them. But the weird part is the fact that no janitor ever heard s***. No janitor ever saw s***.
Cristina: But this isn't where the story ends, is it? No.
Jack: Now there's story keeps going.
Cristina: Oh my gosh, it's crazy. Sorry.
Jack: So, yeah, this lady was never found.
Cristina: Wait, this is a day after the scream, right?
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: She's reported missing the day after the scream. Presumably she went missing the day of the scream. Yes, that's the. The conclusion to be made here now. Okay. On the following day, the day that the scientist lady is reported missing, the day Stephanie is reported missing, both Ollie and Gerald are still working late. They always work late. That's their thing.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Both of them report a female scientist roaming the halls crying. And both of them immediately try to chase and find out what the f*** they think. That's the same voice they heard before screaming. The screaming voice. Now there's a chick crying and they see her when they run outside. Unclear. At the distance, turning the corner.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: They get to the corner too quick for her to go anywhere and there's nobody there.
Cristina: And they write that down.
Jack: They put that in their logs. They have to log everything.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Now in both of these cases, the corner had a camera. Okay, around the corner. And all you see is the scientist guys is the scientist guys rushing to the corner and nothing more. But both of them put the same thing at opposite sides of the building.
Cristina: Oh my gosh. What is happening?
Jack: H*** is going on?
Cristina: I don't know. It sounds like aliens and ghosts. I don't know.
Jack: All at the same time.
Cristina: All at the same time.
Jack: Yeah, all at the same time. Look, I have no idea what the h***'s going on. Not even. Not even a little. Again, I don't know what to think. Sci. Is it a sci fi f****** problem or is it a paranormal issue?
Cristina: And they still go to work late after this point.
Jack: Well, it's their job. They gotta. Because they're science minded. They think there's explanations.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: In fact, Cliff notes with theories in their logs.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: As to maybe I inhaled chemicals from what I'm working on.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And it's causing the hallucination again. They don't. Other than the one scream time, they don't like really go into detail. They're working on things they don't tell each other. All the details. So they don't know that the other person experienced the whole array of things. They just know the one thing. That's it. So they don't realize there's no way that guy inhaled the same thing you did that could you both hallucinating the same thing. That doesn't check out. That doesn't check out. That makes zero sense.
Cristina: No, no. But they don't know.
Jack: They don't know. So they just think you know some. So first I heard the thing and maybe it was real, but maybe it was just something small again, like music or something. But I'm hallucinating. I am experiencing a form of distress that's leading my brain to exaggerate certain things. Maybe the working consistently at nights is causing the. Whatever, blah, blah, blah. They're trying to rationalize it.
Cristina: Yeah, but did they watch those cameras or was that something that happened after.
Jack: That's way later.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: That's way later.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So again, they both go and investigate this woman, and there's nobody there. She's just gone around the corner.
Cristina: Okay, before you get to the next part though.
Jack: Got you.
Cristina: The cameras don't hear anything, don't see anything.
Jack: The cameras have no audio?
Cristina: No. Oh, they don't have audio.
Jack: Just video.
Cristina: Video. Okay. They didn't see the flash then the.
Jack: Flash never showed up.
Cristina: They just see these men running.
Jack: They just see these men running around the corner.
Cristina: That's it. Okay.
Jack: And both halls, the cameras around the corner.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Neither of their doors is visible to a camera. But the corner that they took off in, which also now that you bring this up, why did she happen to go in the direction both instances that there's a camera? Weird. I did not think about that before, but now I'm thinking about like she turned basically the identical corner, opposite sides, building.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So that they would both be visible around the camera. What a weird coincidence. I didn't think about that before, but that's very ghostly.
Cristina: Like she's still. She's doing the same thing at the same time.
Jack: It would be very ghostly if it was in the same spot.
Cristina: Yes, that's true.
Jack: It. So it makes me so much more uncomfortable that this happened in two sides of the building. Because it would just be ghost story if it was in one spot.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And that's way easier to digest.
Cristina: It's two spots.
Jack: Yes. This story makes me so uncomfortable because of like the middle ground between science and paranormal that's happening.
Cristina: Okay, what happens next?
Jack: Well, following these events on the 28th.
Cristina: That'S what like two days later.
Jack: No, actually this is the 27th. Yes. So they both saw the female roaming, crying, chase to investigate, whatever. And the next day on the 27th, the same event happens here.
Cristina: Lady scream.
Jack: They see and they hear crying.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Except this time only Ollie investigates. He's still like, there's. There's something weird, man. He's getting f***** with. His head is not right. He's like, dude, I gotta see. While Gerald continues to work. He's like, I am clearly losing my mind. It is the late nights doing this to me. I'm just gonna put my head down, keep working and ignore it. July 28, Gerald is reported missing. And he is never f****** found again.
Cristina: He's the one that stayed working.
Jack: He's the one who kept working. He is never found again. There's no trace of this person either.
Cristina: It's like ghosts are trying to help them escape the aliens. Or something.
Jack: Something, something is f****** happening.
Cristina: Trying to get them out of the room.
Jack: It's trying to get them. Yes, that's my same conclusion. Exactly right. That's my exact conclusion. There's something trying to get them out because whatever is in the room with them is worse.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: It's a f***** up story, right?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: I don't know what's happening. And it's. It's legitimately scary. I'm telling you. Like, this is an uneasy situation. I don't easily get scared. I was looking for science and I found just something really uncomfortable. Really ridiculously uncomfortable.
Cristina: Yeah. This is so crazy.
Jack: And it's like I don't. I really don't know what to think so far, man. Because it feels like you go outside and you're safe.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: If you don't, you're just gone.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: The very first instant somebody's gone. The only person who didn't investigate. Everybody continues investigating regularly. They're perfectly fine. But the moment they stop, gone without a f****** trace. What the h*** is happening?
Cristina: I don't know. Okay, so what happens next? Cuz there's one more guy. I'm assuming there's this pattern forming. He's gonna disappear. Right.
Jack: Well, first I want to really just try to understand this. There are patterns, but let's review the events. We hear a female scream and we have Ollie and Gerald go and investigate. They see nothing. Or maybe they investigate. I have. No, no, see, here's the problem. Unless we have to assume. We have to assume they investigated the first time and just didn't report on that. But they have to report everything they do so they wouldn't.
Cristina: You Said they did investigate the scream. I thought the only one that didn't investigate the scream was a lady.
Jack: Was that. Okay, so they did investigate the scream, Right?
Cristina: Yeah, they did.
Jack: No, because I know they all heard the scream.
Cristina: They investigate. They didn't. The first thing that happened was some sound. And they didn't investigate the sound.
Jack: Yes, that. My bad. That's okay. That's what I was trying to get to screw the scream. The sound. Yes. You see, this is my point. This is immediately f******. Because I'm trying to wrap my head around all of it. The sound. None of them investigated the sound?
Cristina: No.
Jack: None of them were missing or they all investigated the sound, didn't report on it. But they have to. That's sort of the rule here. They have to report on it.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Because everything else is reported on. We have to assume everything is reported on. The fact that there's no. Say I left my room and looked.
Cristina: Yeah. They just heard a sound, didn't investigate. Saw light, didn't investigate.
Jack: And nothing happened to them other than the first time with the sound. Them getting sick.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So the pattern. There's no real pattern here.
Cristina: No.
Jack: It feels like there is. And then like really you look at it and there isn't. Because nobody investigated the sound. As far as we know.
Cristina: But that's probably why they got sick.
Jack: Why didn't anybody missing?
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: And why didn't the sickness ever get mentioned again?
Cristina: I don't know. That's true.
Jack: Why? Why do we have two missing people without a trace? But then before. No. Unless it's the fact that all three of them didn't. Maybe one at a time. Because that's what happened with the scream. One of them didn't and then went missing. Then following again. One of them didn't and went missing. It's the only pattern we have. Whatever's taking them couldn't, in theory take all of them simultaneously. It could only take the straggler.
Cristina: Yes. So that means the guy that's by himself. There's no way.
Jack: Because he's the only one.
Cristina: Because he's only. Unless he runs out if something weird happens again. Unless nothing weird is gonna happen.
Jack: But also the facility is compartmentalized. Other than them running and crossing paths, they don't know s*** about anybody else.
Cristina: No.
Jack: So they're not even getting filled in about this other crap. They don't know what the h*** is happening. They don't even know this other chick is just missing.
Cristina: They must know that.
Jack: No. It's a really top secret part of the facility, they work on really secretive stuff.
Cristina: So some secret experiment is on the loose.
Jack: I mean, I guess it could in theory be that, but it doesn't seem like they're working on some kind of creature of any sort. It seems like, you know, maybe medicine or some s***, and they're just not revealing what it is.
Cristina: I don't know, like, the place in Resident Evil was doing medicine.
Jack: Yeah, but these reports are, like, full reports. They would be talking about, oh, the creature got out or something. Like, somebody would know.
Cristina: Oh, someone else would write that.
Jack: Yeah, exactly. It would make sense to some. Like, at some point, Something like somebody would be like, oh, well, we're not gonna talk about this because, you know, it was the f****** monster we made.
Cristina: Yeah. Just.
Jack: Just erase the thing. So nobody knows, you know? But the logs are still there. There were people confused, trying to investigate, even working there.
Jack: But, like, what the h*** is going on? Then we have an instance of sounds. What the f*** are the sounds? None of you could determine the sounds? Okay, whatever. So some sound sounds, strange sounds. Literally one of the quotes is strange sounds. Like, that's as much as they can get your scientists. What the h***? Yeah, strange sounds, okay, but dizziness and.
Cristina: Nausea, how would that happen?
Jack: And, like, all three of you, how would that happen? How the f*** was the sound then?
Cristina: It was, I don't know, strange enough to get them sick. What?
Jack: Interesting enough. I wanted to investigate the sound and found kind of a lot of stories about people feeling nausea and dizziness in different scenarios following a strange sound.
Cristina: Oh, my God.
Jack: Unrelated to this, just some whole other. I was like, what kind of sounds could cause that? And in typing, like, okay, sound that can cause dizziness and nausea.
Cristina: So it's a common thing?
Jack: Well, no, it's just all other weird.
Cristina: Oh, it's just weird stories?
Jack: Yeah, it was just weird, like, Reddit stories and s***. People like hearing sounds and then, oh, I'm sick suddenly. But these professional scientists all kind of wrote the same thing in, like, an official log, which then makes me question, like, these people on Reddit aren't that crazy. Maybe they really experience that s***, and we're just over here like, you're a f****** nutjob. But then these scientists are like, no, that really happened.
Cristina: But we can't even compare the sound with because we don't know what the f*** the sound is.
Jack: Weirdly enough, in these Reddit f****** stories, the same instant, a totally anomalous, indistinguishable sound leads to the nausea and dissonance.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: They cannot tell what the sound is, but neither can these scientists. But the result is the same sickness or something. Yes.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: My question is why this and then no result? And why the flash and no result? The only pattern is one of them didn't get involved.
Cristina: Yeah, so far that seems like the only pattern.
Jack: Yeah, but also, let's say ghosts. Then what the h*** with the sound and what the h*** with the flash? That's so alien.
Cristina: I don't know. Are you sure? I feel like if we investigate some.
Jack: Ghost stories, we'd find flashing lights and weird sounds. Yeah, probably. Yeah, yeah, yeah, probably. But then the problem with a ghost is the echo nature of it. It shouldn't be in three places at once. It should be in one spot repeating the same s***. Yeah, that kills the ghostliness.
Cristina: That's very strange.
Jack: Creepy a** story, right? Yeah, it's so messed up. Okay, so on the 28th, Gerald is reported missing and he is never heard of again. His report, just like Stephanie's, ends with him working, finishing the workday.
Cristina: That's it?
Jack: That's it. Just no more Gerald.
Cristina: Whoa. What's happening? Doesn't like you would expect that it would happen instantly, but no, they still finish the day off like nothing.
Jack: On the 29th, nothing. Nothing happened.
Cristina: Nothing happened.
Jack: Nothing happened. We have a bunch of days back to back, and then they have nothing.
Cristina: How long until something happens?
Jack: The 30th. Two days later.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: On July 30th, a police report states a call came from Bioventus facility from an Ollie Austin claiming that the power to the building. It's a science facility, very important. It has backup generators.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: The power to the building was cut off. Should not have happened to the entire building.
Cristina: To the entire building.
Jack: To the entire building. And then he was attacked. Everything got pitch black. Dark, dark, dark, dark. He can't see s***. And he was attacked.
Cristina: He told them he was attacked.
Jack: He told them he was attacked. And his lab was destroyed, but nothing was stolen.
Cristina: He lived, though, or did he disappear?
Jack: He's totally fine. He was just beat up.
Cristina: They got there, but the lights were working, weren't they?
Jack: When they got there, the lights were fine.
Cristina: The lights were fine. So he imagined it. Not imagined it, but what he was experiencing. The rest of the building wasn't like all the other events.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: These events are just happening to him.
Jack: Yes, yes, yes. Because later questioning of the janitor's report, none of this ever took place. Yeah, they didn't experience anything.
Cristina: And there's no way to know if there was anything in that room that destroyed it. It just Looks like he did it.
Jack: Yes. And the cameras, again, that did exist at no moment cut off and did not see any power outage.
Cristina: Okay, I didn't see him being attacked or anything, but he was in the room while it happened.
Jack: He was in the room while it happened?
Cristina: Yes, while it happened. He didn't hear a sound or flash or anything.
Jack: No lights go out. Something f***** him up.
Cristina: And the whole room.
Jack: Yeah, something destroyed that room. S*** was thrown everywhere and broken everywhere.
Cristina: But when they investigate, like how he's hurt and whatever, does it look like he did it to himself or does it look like he was attacked?
Jack: It looks like he was attacked. Okay, now because here's the craziest part about this. Why the. Why his work?
Cristina: What is his work?
Jack: What is his work? At no point is it specified what his work is. Again, there's a bunch of classified s*** happening in there.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Now we come back to what you were talking about. I don't think something broke out, but definitely they were working on something maybe they shouldn't have and something with much more power decided, this is probably a bad idea. Now I kind of come back to aliens. But then, what the f*** is with the crying lady? Now the sounds and the flashing lights are just aliens. Like, stop f****** doing what you're doing. But then what's up with the lady? Yeah, and if they're all working on different things, what the f***?
Cristina: Why are they being attacked?
Jack: Why did two of them go missing? And why was his lab destroyed?
Cristina: Yeah, but does he end up going missing? Is this the end of the story? This isn't.
Jack: No, this isn't the end of the story. He's perfectly fine other than getting beat up. I said he's totally fine.
Cristina: He's still gonna work late, though. After this moment, he's like, yeah, whatever. I survived. I'm gonna continue working late.
Jack: Sure, why not?
Cristina: What?
Jack: Sure, why not?
Cristina: Sure, why not?
Jack: Yeah, of course he didn't go back to the building. What? Of course. That's crazy.
Cristina: Okay? Wondering, like, all these other events and he was like, whatever, I' continue working.
Jack: Yeah, but now he got. He has physical proof.
Cristina: Okay. And then he finally stops.
Jack: Yeah, obviously no human after that point is gonna be, like, nuts. Totally in my head. I'm going back to my facility. What is he gonna work on if his s*** is destroyed? Yeah, what is he going back to? Nothing. There's nothing. There's nothing. It's all destroyed. His lab is destroyed. He got beat up. There's no reason for him to go back. Except he does. But not Even the work. Because on August 3, a police report claims that.
Cristina: What did he do? He burned the building. Now.
Jack: Well, he called claiming he was being followed. Oh, yeah.
Cristina: And his. Before he got to the building or when he went back to the building? Like, why did he go back to the building?
Jack: Well, that's unclear until we get to August 4th, where there's a police report claiming that they got a call from Bioventus, from one of the janitors. Okay, this is where this breaks down so hard, and I'm traumatized.
Cristina: Oh, my gosh.
Jack: So Ollie Austin is found dead. He's not missing. He's found dead.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Totally mutilated, but he did it to himself. He's covered in blood, and his notes are written on the walls, crazy person style, okay? In scientific notation using both pencil and blood. And his own blood, of course. Yep. What the f***?
Cristina: And the two other bodies? No, there's no.
Jack: There's no other bodies.
Cristina: Oh, okay. Like, I thought eventually they'd find those bodies.
Jack: No, no, no. I said specifically. These people were never found.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: They were never found. They cease to exist to this day.
Cristina: I don't understand why he was different.
Jack: I don't understand either. I don't understand why any situ. There's no pattern.
Cristina: There really is no pattern.
Jack: There's no pattern. Random horror s*** going on.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: What the f*** is happening in this building, bro?
Cristina: Yeah. Did anyone piece what he was writing or whatever?
Jack: It's just his notes. It's just the work he was doing.
Cristina: Just work. Oh, okay.
Jack: Just the work he was doing what?
Cristina: In his room, though, in the hallway? Like, where was he found exactly?
Jack: He was found in his lab.
Cristina: In his lab, which.
Jack: There was no reason for him to go back. There was nothing in his lab. It was all destroyed.
Cristina: When he was being followed. He was calling from the building, though.
Jack: I'm unclear on that. It just says that. There's a report saying that he was being followed. I think headed towards the building.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: We're leaving the building. I'm not entirely sure it was the previous day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, Ollie's last log from this night claimed to have met a fellow scientist.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Again, this story makes me so uncomfortable. Keep in mind, there's no reason for him to be in the building.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: There's no reason for him to make a log.
Cristina: But he does.
Jack: But he does. On the fourth, he makes a log like nothing happened. Normal. Just normal. Everyday thing.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Ollie's last log claims that he met a Stephanie Ramirez in the hallways and that was it. That's the lady who went missing.
Cristina: I know that. I know that, but. And.
Jack: And they both searched for the source of a scream. The end.
Cristina: The end.
Jack: The end.
Cristina: That's such a horror story.
Jack: So he met somebody who was missing that he had never met before.
Cristina: No.
Jack: Looked for a scream with her. With her. That is very similar to what he experienced with Gerald.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: He doesn't report whether you found anything or anything. It's just. He's just found f****** self mutilated dead. There's nobody else of these two individuals ever found. Janitors experienced anything. Camera' caught nothing. The end.
Cristina: It makes no sense.
Jack: Incredibly uneasy. This story makes me.
Cristina: That's the end of the story.
Jack: That's the end of the story. There's nothing else on this.
Cristina: I don't understand.
Jack: I don't understand either.
Cristina: And people still work at this building. This building's still a building that's being used to do stuff in.
Jack: Yeah. So on official reports, this is put down. Now the two missing people are again, there's no body, there's no nothing. There's different claims. There's no death.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So whatever. Scientists working on crazy s***, they run away all the time. Maybe they're working on something they shouldn't have. Whatever. So these reports are easy. The Ollie one, you know, scientist loses his mind, you know, takes his own life type s***. Okay, so none of the other scientists who also don't know any of the other scientists other than the people who work in their respective labs have anything to fear about coming back to work. It looks on paper like scientists down the hall working on something crazy went crazy. Typical science. Okay, the people, this, Ali's personal team, they have their own notes. They just rebuild and work.
Cristina: Okay, well, but like after this, no one stayed late in that building. These are the only scientists who ever stay late in that building.
Jack: There were other scientists that stayed late around this period. Is just these three people.
Cristina: Just these three people that experienced these events?
Jack: No, it's just these three people who are single at the point where these events were happening.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: July and August of 2012.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Only these three sciences were regularly sting late.
Cristina: Interesting.
Jack: And obviously before and after crap ton of scientists, I'm sure have stayed late. But there's nothing if they have, there's nothing related to this.
Cristina: I don't understand what this story is.
Jack: I don't either. The fact that it's so unclear is what makes it horrible, horrifying. We can't just be like, oh, it's a ghost. That's what's scary about the story.
Cristina: I don't. Yeah. I don't know.
Jack: Yeah, it's. I don't know where to point. I don't know what to think. That's what makes it so uneasy. Was it aliens? Was it. Was it ghosts? What the h*** is going on?
Cristina: Yes. Like he sees the girl and she's like, hey, I heard that sound too.
Jack: Yes. What now? Who. What the. Is the girl sound? What's the screaming woman thing?
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: So many parts. Flashing lights, anomalous sounds, screaming. Two missing people and a person who hurt themselves after they were attacked and the lab was destroyed. What is the line that cuts through all of this?
Cristina: Is there an. I don't know. There's no explanation.
Jack: Just random s*** that happens for two months.
Cristina: That's so weird because there's other people there too. The janitors, you say? And nothing.
Jack: The janitors were in the building late.
Cristina: Yeah. And nothing.
Jack: Nothing.
Cristina: What could have happened?
Jack: And the theories just conspiracy nonsense. And the official explanations are for this, for Ollie is that scientists went crazy. And for Stephanie and Gerald are they potentially ran away because they're working on some thing that they shouldn't have or they stole data to go sell or whatever the case because it's again, a bunch of classified stuff. And this kind of stuff typically happens where somebody takes a thing. You could sell it for a crap ton of money. Just leave the country, give to like China or something. There's a bunch of that going on.
Cristina: I don't know. I don't know. This is such a weird story. So weird. No good explanation.
Jack: No good explanation.
Cristina: What? It's just so weird. Just trying to understand the story is hard.
Jack: Yeah, it's weird and choppy. There's no, like, what does this have to relate with that. Yeah, that's all we need to do in this.
Cristina: This. Holes everywhere.
Jack: Yes, exactly. If. If one thing was consistent.
Cristina: The time is consistent.
Jack: The time is consistent. But what the h*** does that mean?
Cristina: Does that mean.
Jack: What the h*** does that mean?
Cristina: Alien.
Jack: What is 8:32? Well, no, the time is very ghost. Aliens do crap at the same time. Ghost do, because echo, it's the same thing at the same time. That checks out with ghost and the like crying lady. Very typical ghost s***.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Even the scream. We could chalk off the ghost s***.
Cristina: Yeah, a lot of it is ghostly. But at the same time. No, because it's all happening at the same time.
Jack: Yes, but like, I think this leans harder to ghosts than anything else too.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Like we have to say we have to break some ghost rules here. In order to keep a ghost. The fact that it's not an isolated direction, but rather somehow outside everybody's door. I don't know why, but it's. It's the case.
Cristina: Yeah. Just a ghost that's doing the same thing to everyone around it first. But only specifically these three scientists.
Jack: Yes, because that's weird. Yes, because the janitor's there too.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And a ghost wouldn't give a. With somebody working on. Yeah, like, unless these things led to somebody's death. Interesting.
Cristina: That could be something.
Jack: And then this is a revenge ghost. But again, all three. It breaks down because all three projects are different.
Cristina: That's true.
Jack: They aren't working on the same thing.
Cristina: But it only happens in the room.
Jack: And it only happens in the room. Nothing happens outside the room.
Cristina: Except when he met Stephanie. That was outside the room.
Jack: Yes. And when they followed the girl around the corner. Yes, that happened inside the room.
Cristina: They saw her, but they weren't in the hallway at the same time as her. At least I don't think, like they saw her turn that corner. But they weren't, were they? Did they?
Jack: Okay, fair enough. Fair enough. I'm assuming they saw her turn the corner, but they actually saw her walk past her door and they run outside. And there's only one direction she could have gone around the corner.
Cristina: Yeah. So it seems like so far everything.
Jack: Has happened from inside the room.
Cristina: Yes. Except for that last part.
Jack: Unless they never left the room.
Cristina: Unless he never left the room.
Jack: Unless he never left the room.
Cristina: Which makes also sense.
Jack: That means he's going crazy in that room. Which would also explain the self mutilation. And he tore apart the room.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So the assumption here is none of this is happening. All of this is in their head. Easy to say ghost. Easy to say alien because you don't need anything else. It's all in their heads.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: But then the problem again, everything has. There's a hole being poked by the story at all times. Yes, because what the h*** happens to the other two?
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: Why? What decided who gets taken and how? So if none of them really ran outside, because it's all happening in their heads, why did she go first? Why did he go second? Why didn't he go at all? There's like, rules and the rules break themselves.
Cristina: Yes. Yes. Like, some of it makes sense, but then. Yeah, it doesn't make sense, really.
Jack: No, it doesn't. This is probably the most horrifying thing I've ever read because of how confusing it is. It's kind of like when you first watch Paranormal Activity without knowing that it's totally bullshit.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And you're like, what the f*** is happening? It can't.
Cristina: It feels like it's happening in their rooms, though. But it's weird because none of their rooms are next to each other, either exact. Well, that's the only explanation. It's just something that's in the room.
Jack: Yes. Now, when Geralt and Ollie ran outside their rooms. Here's the problem. They logged that and they talked to each other. They met the other person.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Alternatively, maybe they f****** didn't because Ollie met somebody who's been missing.
Cristina: That's true. So they might not have met each other.
Jack: You see why this story immediately gets even more uneasy?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Then if he didn't meet Geralt when he ran outside and Geralt didn't meet Ollie, what the f*** did they see? Because it's just as likely that it wasn't. Because, again, Ollie met Stephanie, who's been missing. So you didn't really need Stephanie for Ollie to meet Stephanie, which means you don't really need Geralt for Ollie.
Cristina: They might not have ever left the room.
Jack: Never left the room.
Cristina: It's just like that's where their mind took them. If that's what's happening. But who knows?
Jack: But, you know, they could have just been going crazy and there's something making them go crazy.
Cristina: Whatever that first event was that made them feel sick.
Jack: Yes. Interesting angle to take, because maybe there's some toxin in the building. But again, the problem is it's. Janitor. Yes. Maybe there's vents. No, because it would lead everywhere. Vents would lead everywhere. Why would the vents only lead to their rooms and not to the hallways?
Cristina: That's true. Maybe this is some revenge story. Maybe there is this evil scientist guy who's like, I gotta get rid of these scientist people.
Jack: It could totally be. It could totally be that they are being poisoned. Because again, it seems to be happening in their rooms.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So something could have been put in their rooms. But then why three different scientists working on different things? These three scientists must have had a connection to one individual.
Cristina: Yes, because they are working with each other. Even if they're not really working with each other, they're.
Jack: They work for the same company.
Cristina: Yes, that's it. Yes. But there's gotta be some connection. They know each other. Not know each other, but, like, by. Like, I know this scientist who knows that scientist who knows that one who knows you.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: They have connected in some way.
Jack: Yeah, like seven degrees of separation.
Cristina: Exactly. So there has to be someone that knows all three of them.
Jack: I guess. But then what's up with that?
Cristina: I don't know. Because we still have two people that are missing.
Jack: Yes. We got two people that are missing. This story is messed up because a guy met somebody who's missing, which takes away. No. Okay. No, it can't be. It can't be. It can't be. And I'm gonna tell you why this is broken. We're not even thinking about it. And it's the most obvious part. How is he gonna go crazy and report the exact name of somebody missing who he's never met?
Cristina: He has to have heard about the name. There's no way he didn't hear about the missing people in the building. Even if he doesn't know those people, there's no way no one was talking about the missing people.
Jack: Okay, let me break this conclusion for you. How did Gerald meet Ollie and Ollie meet Gerald and they report having met each other.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: You see the problem?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: There was nobody missing out of those two.
Cristina: No.
Jack: They were in the building at the.
Cristina: Same time they were.
Jack: And they allegedly met.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: According to their own notes.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And they confirm each other by name. Did they not meet? And how the f*** did they get the name? Right. But that means they did leave the rooms. Unless they didn't. But how the h*** did they. So then we're back to ghost. How is this ghost pretending to be the opposite person being in the room? And like, what's happening in the room?
Cristina: Or if it's aliens and they're not really in the hallways in those moments, but like in the spaceship next to each other. They just don't know it.
Jack: Oh. Oh, I didn't think about that at all. This is during the abduction. The whole everything is happening in the building is also part of the illusion.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: They made up the building in your mind after they took you out of it.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Or before they took you out of it. They project the building. They take you. You don't realize you're gone. And maybe you're connected to a Matrix esque thing that's showing you the building.
Cristina: Man, that kind of makes sense.
Jack: Yeah. So then we're back to. You see how crazy this is? And it jumps from aliens to go back and forth and it's like we don't know what the h***'s going on.
Cristina: Well. But the alien ones kind of make sense. Yeah.
Jack: Now we're starting to ground it a little. Right? Yeah. We're bringing our job. Look, the Internet has struggled with this one, we're bringing it home.
Cristina: But they brought it to aliens, too.
Jack: They brought it to aliens. Yeah. That was the main conclusion. Everybody went to aliens.
Cristina: It's hard because. Yeah, like aliens. Because, yes, they. They're doing more than just taking you to their ship. They've got. If they got technology to have a ship in the first place, they can have an illusion.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. They can have a super. So the fact that they traversed space at all, they have a super sophisticated projection that could convince the f*** out of you, there's no question.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: They need enough energy to traverse space.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: They can convincingly project the universe.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: They have to be able to. That's way less energy. It takes way less energy to do that. You just gotta fool somebody's senses. That's it.
Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. So.
Jack: And maybe the weird sound and the weird flashes are. Because Maybe it's not a. Maybe it's not a perfect illusion.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: These are just the cracks.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: The glitches here and there.
Cristina: Yeah. And the lady screaming could have been stuffing it. She just didn't know.
Jack: Yes. Yes. And somehow the feedback came back to her too.
Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Because she's also in some weird. Whatever they're in. In that moment.
Jack: Yes. Yes.
Cristina: Feel right? I don't know.
Jack: I don't know. Well, point is, the s*** makes me hella uneasy. It's so weird. It's a very horrifying story.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: What, and it had nothing to do with science?
Cristina: No.
Jack: This story was me trying to replicate the cola. Super deep borehole. And, you know, weird science crap, I can investigate. But no, it didn't take me to weird science crap. It took me to scientists experiencing weird crap.
Cristina: The weirdest.
Jack: The weirdest, weirdest crap. And also, no. It's so tame. But something about the tameness is more horrible.
Cristina: It builds up to something horrifying.
Jack: Yeah. Yeah, it definitely escalated with time.
Cristina: Yeah. Like that ending. What?
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Also the missing people and, like, haunting itself.
Jack: Why did he meet a missing person? Why did he meet a missing person? Why did he paint the walls with his equations? That's another, like, weird. Like, what, dude?
Cristina: Because he was still working. I guess it makes it feel like aliens. Feels like he.
Jack: He's on autopilot.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Oh, there's nothing in the lab. So he's still working. Malfunction. That's so much scarier, bro. Like, his body is still. But that means he's still in the room and not connected to some s***.
Cristina: Yeah, because he malfunctioned. They put something in him. They investigate that body okay, so the.
Jack: Theory here would be the events happened of him getting abducted and whatever. And then they put him back. But they put him back broken. And then he continued to work on nothing.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And covered the walls with his blood and pencil notations of all his equations.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Because he's broken now.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And he killed him. I don't know why he killed himself in the process, but. Because he's broken.
Cristina: Because he's broken. Yeah. And they probably killed the other two. I don't know why. Or maybe they're not dead. No, because he saw her. So he might have saw her. Seen her when he was up there with them.
Jack: Yes. So they're just missing. They got abducted. Why didn't he? Why was he useless?
Cristina: Because he was broken. That's why they put him back. And then he killed himself.
Jack: There was something already wrong with him that they could tell.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: While the other two. There was nothing wrong with them. They could keep these. These are the good hosts. Let's keep them. That guy's no good. Return him, and then that whole thing happens. Yeah, I guess. I guess it checks out to some degree. I guess the Internet figured it out then. Tin foil hat was the way to go.
Cristina: Yeah, maybe.
Jack: I mean, it's the closest.
Cristina: It's the closest. I guess. Like, it's just such random.
Jack: Yes, it's. But if we talk glitch. And so the first couple of instances are just a. Faulty. They're establishing. They're starting to establish the signal that's gonna trap these people. That's why nobody went missing initially. You know, there's a couple of days between one point and another at the beginning, and then. Okay, consecutive days of crap happening, and the aliens are consistently picking at them, and then. Oh, no, that one's faulty. We can't seem to work around his problems. Leave that guy.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: The other two people must have been fine. But also, why do you need one at a time? Why is it only the one who stayed behind?
Cristina: Why is the only one that stayed behind?
Jack: Yeah. When she stayed behind, she got abducted. When he stayed behind, he got abducted. But then there's only one person. He's the last one. Did they want the people who didn't give a f***? She only got taken once she stopped. Well, she never gave a f***.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Or was too scared to do anything. And boom. Scooped up the other guy when he investigated. Nothing. But when he didn't. Gone. Why is it necessary that they don't? There's so many f****** holes, man.
Cristina: Maybe he was just not ready. Maybe they were Experimenting on them and like it didn't really matter who came first or not. Like they could have done it all at the same time.
Jack: It just happened to be coincidence that she stayed, then he stayed.
Cristina: Yeah, but maybe. I don't know. It's so weird. I don't know. There's so much weirdness happening.
Jack: Yep. So that's the Bioventus missing person's case.
Cristina: What?
Jack: Yep.
Cristina: What? Not even that long ago, huh?
Jack: Not even that long ago. 2012. Well, 10 years ago.
Cristina: 10 years ago. Yeah. But stuff could happen like that again in that place. There's gonna be another scientist who's gonna stay.
Jack: There have been scientists who stayed late. Oh, this has only happened in that period, then over again. And some of this is piece from police reports. So. Yeah. Interesting.
Cristina: No, very interesting.
Jack: Very strange and very horrifying. One of the few things that has made me uneasy and it's because it's hard to like follow, sit together. It's so problematic.
Cristina: There's a story there. It's just like, what?
Jack: What is. Yeah, there's clearly a story. What is it? You know, that's real question.
Cristina: It's really happening. Is there something really happening?
Jack: I don't know, but yeah. So what do you think? Crazy, right?
Cristina: That is crazy. I don't understand.
Jack: Neither do I. So look, you've got a couple of creepy things here and there, you know, there's my breakdown of my personal creepy experiences relative to Clinton Road and trying to understand that and like bubble universes and whatever. So you can find all that stuff. We've got. There's a. Actually this is right up our alley. There's a bunch of horror s*** all over the place and a bunch of like weird instances and crap everywhere and creatures and like whatever you find all of that. All that. And if you need clips and crap, if you want to talk to us, you want to ask us questions or you want to have a converse, maybe you know something about this. Like, fill us. Fill in the blanks for us. You can find us to have those conversations on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram at justconvopod.
Cristina: Remember to subscribe and review the show.
Jack: Yes. Do all those things. Mainly review the show. Leave us some stars.
Cristina: Yes. And emojis. Always ghosts.
Jack: Yeah. Or alien.
Cristina: Or alien. I guess. Whichever you think happened.
Jack: Yeah, I guess I don't even.
Cristina: Ghosts coming out of alien ships. I don't know. Yeah, it's both. Alien. Ghost. Yeah.
Jack: And you know, let someone who might like the show know about it. Tell them, tell them if they like weird mysteries, if they like solving mysteries. This is like the mother of mysteries, bro.
Cristina: This is an unsolvable mystery.
Jack: This is unsolvable as h*** because there's too many parts missing.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: We literally don't have witnesses. We have footage saying none of this has ever happened. We got people in the building simultaneously who didn't experience any of it. And once the people left their rooms, they also had nothing to claim. Yeah, only while in their rooms. So, like, there's too many pieces missing. But if your homies like to solve mysteries, this is up there with, like, big problems to solve that you say like Bigfoot.
Cristina: Okay, I guess that's.
Jack: That's an overpowered mystery that no one has ever solved.
Cristina: Yeah, solve that one, too. This has been the right rambling podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks for listening. Bye. Tiny.
Jack: It's about the size, relatively speaking. Our actual planet size is about the size that Puerto Rico is to Earth is all we are to all of us. To the entire planet. Yes. So what Puerto Rico on our maps is to our observable planet is the size of the us to the actual planet.
Cristina: Man, I wish I could see that. That's a really ridiculous picture.
Jack: Crazy visual. Yeah. But it's more or less that same. It is a globe we're on. Like, the Earth isn't flat, it's round.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But the part of it that we exist on is quite arguably pretty flat, considering how much you got to go before you hit curvature, because it's so.
Cristina: It's so tiny.
Jack: It's a small section of something huge. So the curvature is so vastly flat that you wouldn't be able to tell.
Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.