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Rambling 299: Dead CEOs and Chinese Drone Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised. Jack: Going live in 5, 4. Cristina: What does live mean? Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack. Cristina: And I'm your host, Cristina. Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas, which we will definitely do today. But we were just talking about the medubla oblongata and how it sounds ridiculous. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And so I was gonna go and do the most basic surface level. We're gonna trust Wikipedia right now. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And we're gonna see where it came from. The word the. Yeah. Why? It's. Why it's so dumb. Cristina: You think wiki's gonna tell us why it's so, though? Jack: I think so. I think they'll tell us about. Cristina: The word is from someone's name. That's why it's so dumb. Jack: Let's see, let's see. Does it tell us where the word came from? Okay, what if we go to a dictionary or some crap? Cristina: So you're leaving wiki? You just said you were gonna go to wiki. Jack: Then we can't trust wiki. Cristina: No, we can't trust wiki. Jack: Okay, based on how it sounds, where do you think it came from? Cristina: I don't know. Each piece probably means something. Jack: You're right, because. Yeah, yeah. It's not just a science word, but rather it's specifically a medical word. And medical words are built of descriptors that tell us what it means ultimately. Cristina: So I'm gonna guess that. And if it's not that, it's based on someone's name. Jack: Okay. Okay. Cristina: Those are my two guesses. I don't know if I have a third guess. Third guess is, I don't know someone like that name. They had the word first. They're like, what could I make this word mean? Has anyone done that before? You give it a meaning. Like if you had the word cat before you had the animal cat. And then you're like, okay, I'm going to call that thing cat. Jack: Interesting. Interesting. So you're. You're. You're questioning right now how we come across the original idea to name a thing? Cristina: Yes. Jack: Well, the only people we would need to defer to would be, I guess, an inventor. How does an inventor go about naming a thing that didn't exist before, that they have created? And I guess ultimately it comes from previous components that you're aware of. A good example would be the invention of the iPhone. Although it's not the invention of a phone, it's the invention of a computer phone. And he used parts he knew, like the word phone already, and merged it with things. So if we think of that as just the most exaggeratedly basic version of it. Cristina: Like microwave. Jack: Yes, exactly. And it's kind of telling you something about it in a manner, shape, or form. It's using what you already know about the concept. So. Cristina: So at the end of the day, that goes with the first thing guess of what. Why the word is the word. It's just, it's. It's parts. Jack: Yeah. So it breaks down into the following. The medulla means marrow or innermost part. And in. In anatomy, it refers to the central part of an organ or the structure. Medulla. Cristina: Okay. And the rest. Jack: And then oblongata, derived from oblongas, meaning elongated or oblong. And they're both Latin. Cristina: Okay, what's the first one again? Jack: Medulla. Cristina: No, I mean what it means. Jack: It means marrow or innermost part. Okay, so it's the innermost elongated brainstem. Cristina: Okay. And that's what it actually is. Jack: It literally translates to elongated marrow. Cristina: Okay, but that's what it means also, the word. Jack: Yes, the word means elongated marrow. And the brain stem is the elongated marrow and the. Or the elongated marrow part of the brain. Some. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And it's Latin. So it comes from Latin and it means that, so. No, you're totally right. It's just explain a word explaining itself. Yeah, it's just a word. I mean, in science that tends to happen. 00:05:00 Jack: And it makes science one of the most elegant and direct languages. Because even if you have no idea, if you've never heard the word before, you can at least piece the word together. The. The words meaning together just based on what it is, that or how the. Cristina: Word is written, how the word is. Jack: Right, yeah. What went into creating the word. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Is all you need to know what happens in science, what's happening, what that word means a lot of the time, not all the time. Some things are ridiculous. Think what simple concepts like dark and black is used just for anything unknown. And sometimes, I mean, the fun thing is they're not fun thing. But the clever thing is it's always minus the darks and the blacks that are concepts we usually don't know. We slap that on something that has a question mark. The dark side of the moon. Simply because we don't see it, so we're less familiar with it. A black hole. It's because we can't study it. We can't see the inside of a black hole. We can only see its effect on everything minus that Science is a literal language. So literal, a lot of the time they'll just be like, like, Just like that. It's like the elongated brainstem, basically, that's just straight out telling you what it is. Cristina: Why did you choose that word? Jack: I don't know why I said that word, but now we know it came from. It's Latin and it means elongated marrow, which is basically just discussing the part that it's from. Anyways, today we're going to speak about current events that I've wanted to talk about, but we kept getting interrupted. And we're definitely. Cristina: Anymore. Jack: They're not current anymore, but we're still going to talk about them. Nevertheless. People are desperate to know what it is I've been trying to talk about for the last several weeks, but we kept getting sidetracked. But in the time that we have been waiting to discuss that, two very interesting things that we're going to quickly run through happened. And I want to talk about them before we get to this news that I've been trying to talk about. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And the first of the things as is the CEO. Dude. What the. Cristina: I don't really know what happened. I know he died. And I know the person who killed him. His name? Luigi. Jack: Luigi. Well, it's unclear if Luigi act is the guy. Cristina: What? Jack: He's just the guy who got arrested. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: It's unclear if he's the guy who actually did it. Cristina: Oh. Jack: Although, maybe. But the story goes that this guy's mother has some illness and she watched her mother suffer. I don't know if she died. Maybe she did, maybe she didn't. His mother was suffering for a very long time, continuously getting turned down by that guy. I guess he got obsessed with the revenge scenario here. And one of the things that people digging around about the guy who got shot is that he runs the insurance company that turns down the most people. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And so, yeah, interesting, right? Plot thickens. And so this guy hunted him down and killed him in the middle of street one day. Cristina: What? Jack: Yep. The shot him. Cristina: Okay. Whoa. And then why is he a celebrity now? For that. Jack: Okay. That's where it becomes interesting. And where the darks of the world are taking an interesting turn and where a lot of the things that are happening on earth kind of start to click together. First of all, people are valuing this guy as a hero because he did what a lot of people would do or wish they could. Not what they would do. What a lot of people wish they could do is hit the people who control your lives back for making Your lives s***** and them profiting off of every bit of that. He took that into his hands and really did it. People were like, oh my God. Yes. And he didn't do it selfishly. He did it for his mother. He has. There's paper trail. They know that. What the reasoning is. Cristina: Crazy. Okay. Jack: Now weird chain reaction that's happened is other CEOs are horrified. They've removed their social medias and they have removed their images from their websites from online, from their company things or whatever. These people who love showing off how rich and powerful the are suddenly removing the. The fact that they're rich and powerful from the eyes of other people. Cristina: Yes. I feel like, I don't know if it was this or before this, that there was this meme with Elon Musk covering his body with babies. I don't know if it had to do with this though. Jack: Weird. Cristina: But like he's going to use his children to defend himself against any shooters or something. Jack: It's because after a CEO got shot, the very next image of him, like the very next time 00:10:00 Jack: you see him, he was just always his kid. Cristina: Who? Elon Musk. Jack: Oh, he had a kid with him ever since. Cristina: Oh, that's awful. Okay, yeah. Jack: Interesting. But this brings up an interesting point. And, and it reflects a lot that's going on. So what this is. And a lot of people are kind of noticing it and it's. It goes into people like worshiping this guy and being like this. Do it to the rest of them and all this crazy. It comes down to we just saw one of the first rich be eaten by the poor. And it happened in public for everybody to see and realize, wait a minute. That guy who s**** on everywhere we eat is just like us. He's not a God. A random guy did it. A ra. I'm a rat. You're a random. Wait, we're all random people. That's all it took. Why did I think of him as some other thing? This insurance company did it to my family. It's a weird domino effect. Cristina: So you think this is just the first. Jack: I think we just saw one of the first rich get eaten. And I think like all things, cracks show before the dam breaks. The flood always arrives and somebody always notices and nobody listens to that person screaming, okay. Until the flood arrives. Cristina: So you think, you definitely think this isn't going to be the last time. Jack: I think that we are entering some really horrible state in time where I do. I do believe it's apocalyptic. I've been saying this for a While. And I genuinely do believe we have maybe within a couple of years, 10, 20. Cristina: Think this is a result of that, or this is just proof. Jack: This is more of the ball getting ramped up. We're in the apocalypse. It's been happening for like 20 years. If we were to say, like, when the. When would we think it began? Some point. The last 20 years. The apocalypse began that moment. Not the biblical apocalypse. Although they could say whatever they want. Short lines up. If you think about. And you want it to. Cristina: Okay. Jack: But the end of times as we know it has in fact begun in a logical kind of way, in a measurable kind of way. We see nuclear powers everywhere, all on edge, looking at each other, all wondering which one of us is going to pounce and take the rest of them. Yeah, we're one world government is going to happen. Which one of us is going to be. And it's that tension. Everybody's armed. If somebody slips up, we all die. Cristina: Mm. Jack: So when it happens, it's going to be a clean sweep. And everybody thinks they're the one who's going to do it. They're the one who has it figured out. Somebody makes a wrong move, we all die. Cristina: Yes, but it's gonna happen soon. Jack: Yeah, exactly. It's either gonna. One dude is gonna do it right, or it's rap. It's the end. We're here. I think we're reaching the great filter that scientists speak of. This thing that, like, why don't we see civilizations in space? It should be filled with them. We should be in. We shouldn't be able to escape seeing them all the time. And it's because maybe life happens everywhere, but there's some thing, some hurdle that happens sociologically or scientifically or something that stops you from making it. Nuclear power is dangerous. We are all so armed enough that if we launched everything, we could clean out the Earth. We have enough, and we've got it aimed in enough of a spread that even the places we don't hit are gonna be covered off and everything is gonna be snowing an ice ball for a long time. It's f***** either way. Nukes drop, everybody goes. Cristina: Everybody goes. Jack: Everyone goes. There's no solution to it. Everyone goes. And. Yeah, no, that's crazy. It's. I do think we're in that. And if we assume in the last 20 years that ball got rolling, then the George Floyd riots that spread out across the world, they spread out across the world. It wasn't just the United States. It was a country started. Yeah. Any country with Black people that felt oppressed rose up. It was riots in places. Cristina: And are people going to be rioting or are they writing for this? No, I don't know. Jack: I know. Think about the thing that happened with the Capitol. Was it rushed? Was it not? Did people incited that they. Not the moment. So impactful. The world knows about it. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And it's this sort of 00:15:00 Jack: bubbling. It's slowly. The heat has been kind of. You see the water shaking, but it wasn't bubbles. And now we're seeing one here, one over there. Eventually that s***'s gonna boil, and that's when the s***'s hitting the fan. Right? And we're just seeing the first bubbles. This guy was the first bubble. It was the first crack on the. D*** it. We're seeing signs of whatever that first domino was. Either Trump getting elected, either the Twin Towers getting it. Either the first black president being chosen, either the queen dying. Something happened somewhere. Cristina: I think this is gonna be a new normal, horrible thing. Like the school shootings that keep happening. Jack: School shootings have happened within this time. It's not ex. Yeah, that's just that the school shootings is another part of it. We had rarities of one case here, then five years later, another case over there at some point. Three, four a year. Yeah, you just hear about it all the time. You're like, oh, yeah, another school shooting. Schools just have protocols now. They just teach your children. If a shooting happens, what you do, it's like, what the. How. How is that normal? Cristina: I don't know. But is this the next thing like that? Jack: It is. What? Cristina: Is this the next thing like that? Jack: I think there are a couple of things and this is one of them. Yeah, I think maybe not like that. I mean, I don't know. That's. Can you imagine if every other day. Cristina: But I think shooting and at the sea, some CEO. Jack: Yeah, well, I think not necessarily the shooting of a CEO, but there is a. Now that we talking about it. And it came to my mind and it has happened before. Not the shooting of the CEO. No, no, no. The mocking of the dead. Because it happened with the submarine. Those rich guys. That was the mentality everybody had, those rich guys. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And this happened again. And now. Yeah, that rich guy. It didn't. I didn't connect those two dots until this very moment. Cristina: But there is something there. Jack: There's something there. It's people like, yeah, see, that's the mentality. You can see people like, nah, it let it happen. Whatever them. It's like, d***, bro, that was Still a person, ultimately. But no. The mentality has shifted them. Let it happen. Let them all go through it. Whatever. I hope more go underwater and sink. And it's like, okay, you guys are getting going some dark place. Cristina: Mm. Jack: But it's not dark if it's normal. That's just where the people are. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You understand? That's the problem. Because if it's dark, other people are gonna be like, no, no, no, don't go there. The problem is everybody's in on it. It's not dark. Cristina: It's not dark. Jack: It's just where the people are. Dark is down from where you are. Everybody's in the same spot. That's just normal. That makes this normal. Everybody's on board. Every time it happens, everybody's on board. This is the second instance. Just as many people on board. Like, yeah, it. Okay, can't wait to hear about the next one. I mean, think about how messed up it is when they tried to hit the president. How many bastards online were like, well, next time, don't miss. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Think about how messed up that is. People are disconnected. They're down for it. Those are. Those are the cracks. We're seeing one here, one over there. They look unrelated. Oh, that kid was doing tricks against the d*** wall, and he was always hitting the same spot. He was there for months, always trying to land the same trick. Obviously, that's a crack from that. And that's crack over there is from when Mike hit it with the golf cart. He got it up here somehow. I don't know how he got it on the dam, but then he hit the wall, and that's why it's there. Unrelated cracks. There's nothing to worry about. That's happening with every instance. Oh, unrelated. No, this was the president, and he's. He is Hitler. Yeah, it's unrelated. That has nothing to do with it. Well, no, this guy's mom was going through the thing, and he was directly affected. That's unrelated. Jack: But is it. The reaction is the same every time. Is it unrelated? Maybe what's causing the moments is. Cristina: Yeah, but people's reaction. Jack: People's reaction isn't unrelated. That's just where we are. That's not unrelated. That's where we all are. Why? Weird. Interesting. Cristina: I don't know. Jack: And I think we're watching the dominoes fall. Very. Some mad metaphors. All the metaphors in the world. Is it a dam? Is it bubbling? Is it dominoes? Is it a snowball? Cristina: I don't know. It's the ending of Fight Club. Jack: Yes. Yes. We're watching Project Mayhem leave narrator's control, where he can't even realizing he's Tyler Durden. Tell the 00:20:00 Jack: guys, hey, guys, no, we can stop this. Look, I'm telling you to. And they were like, no, you told us that if. That if you tried to stop us. You're not you. You're some other you. It's like, oh, f***. I prepare for everything. This is totally out of my control. And, like, I think humanity is somewhere. I mean, dude, France has been in a war with itself. Cristina: This kind of makes sense because, like, if the government is secretly controlling everything, and then we're reacting this way because, like, we see that it's all fake anyway. Jack: That's the other problem. Oh, my God. Cristina: So why should we care? Jack: You bring up an interesting point. Because. Okay, I was just about to mentioning France right now. Right. With your point in mind. Well, that's what they show us. And why would they show us something they didn't want us to see? Cristina: If we know it's all fake, if the reactions these people are having aren't real, Especially the people telling the story, these journalists. Jack: It's all fake. So even. See, if I didn't see it myself, then the question would be somebody, maybe no CEO got hit. Maybe this is. This was the point of directing the mentality somebody is orchestrating. Somebody's out there with. With a little stick in a suit, standing over the planet, swinging his little stick and moving his hands around like we're an orchestra and we're slowly but surely being manipulated into states. There's a guy who's like, I want to be the only rich guy. I don't want to start having people eat rich people. Let's just make it normal water. The idea, though, is that then the. The concept here. Because everything is even the concept of the. Because they're not gonna show us things that are gonna make us think this. Either we broke through, which is possible. Social media is definitely a pain in the a** of people who liked lying. Or is it not? And that's also part of the illusion. Cristina: You think? Jack: No, maybe there can. I have entered states where I contemplate whether anything I've seen on the Internet was ever a real thing. How do we know? Even think about the concept of friends you've never met. Some people have messaged with individuals their whole lives that they've never heard their voice. How is that person real? Now, let's assume that what we know about the technology we have and our government held up always. Then 20 years ago, when The Internet began. That's just our introduction to it, because we know in the 60s, the Internet was created. Simple. But most people have no concept of this easel. Easy, easy to find. But most people are. Oh, the Internet began late 90s, early 2000s. Right. Assuming that's the logic, would they have equally by the beginning of us having the Internet, they have had all the tools already in place to control us and manipulate us. Since day one, it's always been there. It developed with that there. Obviously, if I wanted to message you because I've met you, there's also direct connection with the few people who are actually using the thing. Everybody else is spinning in the wheel, and nothing is real. Most of us are interacting with AI through AI for AI. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And I can still connect to you through the sea of AI and people around me are real. But we're all being manipulated by this one AI that's pretending to also be these other people who we've never seen, never met. And there's no way to do it. There's a few real people out there, but they would never want to. The fake ones would never want to really meet me. Oh, I can't because of this and blah, blah, blah. No, I'm living my life down there and whatever. Mm, interesting. So most of what you've always seen, forever, the entire time you've been interacting with the Internet, fake. The same way every newspaper that came out could have completely been fabricated stories meant to manipulate and sway your thought. You have no way of proving. No way of proving it. If the. Let's assume the newspaper was that the whole time. Maybe not the whole time. It was really about giving news. Little by little, power was taken from the newspaper somehow. Like a. Like a Facebook being influenced by the government and bending them somehow. Just like that, this happens. You have hands coming in from behind and slowly take over. And now newspaper is just propaganda machine. Fine, totally. But the Internet's about to come through. But wait with the newspaper company. And we sell bullshit for the government as the government is being built. Oh, they are paying us to make this thing where we're gonna give them, quote, news that the government can directly 00:25:00 Jack: modify however they want. We create templates, and they fill it in the blanks. Cristina: The government. Jack: The government or some. Or maybe tell us what to say. And maybe the whole time. And then Facebook comes in and, oh, Facebook is stealing our data. It's because somebody found out maybe it was doing it the whole time. It didn't start late. It was designed to do it. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: Somebody Found out. Oh, no. We're gonna change the thing. They just tightened security, so it's harder to find. Cristina: Definitely. Definitely. Yeah. Jack: You get my point, huh? So it was always lying to you. You were never looking at anything. It's all. Nothing is real. I've gone into that space of mind a couple of times, and it would make sense. Cristina: With the Internet or with everything? Jack: With everything. If not the newspaper, then maybe some medium before the newspaper was the bull. Maybe the town square screamer guy. Cristina: Him? Jack: Yeah, maybe. Every time he came out, the king is like, well, tell them this. It ain't true, but whatever, okay? And that guy becomes the news guy, and then that guy sells the newspaper and that guy tells you the news on, like, an anchor. And then the news anchor becomes the influencer. And, like, ultimately, all these people you've never met and never seen aren't people. You're being sold bullshit. Controlled by people who are paid to sell you bullshit. Cristina: See? Jack: And, oh, a CEO got shot. Never happened. We think it happens, and everybody around us thinks happens because we all see the same thing saying, I think it happens. And then we all repeat that it happens, and we all believe it, and we have no way to disprove it. Cristina: Okay? Jack: It happens somewhere away from me. How am I gonna go prove it? How are you gonna prove it? Anybody who's not and anybody who's there. Did you see it happen? Oh, no. It happened down there. You've never met somebody who saw it happen. You never meet anybody who saw it happen. It happened. You were showed it happened. It happened here. And this time. Oh, how weird. I was a block from there and I didn't see it. I didn't hear gunshots. Cristina: Crazy, okay? But if I did, if I had to actually do that every time I thought, like, I had to know the story was real. If I really was that obsessed, you don't think I'd be able to do it? You don't think I'd be able to find someone that saw something? Jack: You could find somebody who's told to tell you that. How do you know that's not the case? You know? Okay, that's my point. How do we know? But anyways, outside of the point, that's just a headspace I've gone into several times associated with things. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And if we assume everything the government does is, everything media companies do is they're just trying to sell more ads. Everything is manipulated. Manipulation of the public. Why would this be the moment that decided to tell us the truth? That would literally put them, the controllers, in Ninja. Either we broke through, there's a puppet master somewhere, or I mean, I guess that's pretty much it. I would broke through, there's a puppet master somewhere. Cristina: This isn't true. Jack: Or this isn't true. Cristina: It's probably not true. I don't know. Jack: If there's a puppet master, it's not true. Cristina: If it is a puppet master, it's not true. Jack: Yeah, we're being manipulated into thinking it is. Well, so that then we revolt against rich people or something for somebody else's benefit somehow. Cristina: I don't know what the benefit is. I guess if the person that is fake dying could be just trying to hide. Jack: Interesting point. Cristina: Or just I'm tired of this life, let's go live a different life. So what's the best way to do it? Jack: CEO dies in public. Cristina: So then now he's no longer CEO. Now he's playing baker at some country somewhere else. I don't know. Jack: Interesting. Interesting. Cristina: Like death doesn't really have to mean death either. Jack: But then this goes actual back to the. The puppet master scenario. Somebody didn't actually die there. So what was the public. You didn't. You could just pay paperwork to say you died. Cristina: Want to make a big show about it? Well, because a lot of people know the CEO, I guess he needs to get. Make people he knows believe he said, yeah, it's not for us. Jack: Interesting. You think he got into some hot water? Yeah, maybe he's in some s***. Cristina: This is the way actual people with money have to get rid of the life that they're not happy with. They got the money for it. Jack: Got the money for it. An absurd amount of money. He could become anybody who wants. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Live the rest of his life perfectly fine. Interesting. So your argument is in a Black Flag event didn't happen. It was just a cover up. Cristina: Cover up? It could be a cover up. Jack: One big cover up. Cristina: I don't know. It all sounds insane, but like, how would you know? Jack: All of it sounds pretty crazy. Yes. I don't know. I don't know. The problem is nothing is provable. 00:30:00 Jack: Right? Cristina: But then what happened to this person? Luigi. Jack: Okay, so following the attempt, I guess the success. Following the success of this, other than people cheering him on, CEOs panicking. The cops went and hunted down a guy. They got some tips and they found him just sitting there at a coffee shop or something. A lady. An employee? No. Was it an employee? Yeah, I think it was an employee or a lady sitting there who was like, crap, I'll call and get in on it. Or whatever. But they're not getting the money anyways, apparently, because they called the cops, not the people who they were supposed to send the tip to. Cristina: What? Okay, someone's trying to make money. Jack: Yeah, they only did it for the money, so now they're a rat and everybody knows it. Cristina: Oh, my God. Jack: Also, they got doxed. Cristina: Oh, my God. Jack: That lady's information is all over the Internet. Cristina: Okay, so. But no, I don't want to care about here is crazy. Jack: What becomes interesting. They find a guy. The hoodie first. The problem is, I can't jump to what happened to the guy because in order to throw the cops off, thousands, hundreds of thousands of people just started dressing exactly the same to just make it exceptionally difficult. There are people just wearing the same green hoodie and, like, gray sweater or whatever the h*** he was wearing in the video. People just started dressing like that, either in honor of him or to throw the cops off. Regardless, the cops were very confused. There was too many people fitting exactly the same identity for days. Cristina: But then what happened, though? So they do get him. Jack: No, they get a guy. That's the. That's where the. That's why it's important that I say that. Cristina: Oh. Jack: Because the guy they caught, some dude called Luigi. People have broken down the video of the guy who did it. Now, I believe Luigi said he did do it, but people were like, that dude's kind of taking the fall for Luigi at this point. Because, I mean, Luigi's taking the fall for the guy who did it. These are two different heroes. Is the idea that people have. I've stumbled upon this thought a couple of times because the people dissecting the video where he shot the CEO have seen the mug shot and compared every single note. The guy you arrested did not suddenly grow a unibrow over the last two days versus the guy who shot, who was not. Cristina: There's a video of this, too. Jack: Hella breakdowns. People showing them. People are calling Luigi a hero because he's not letting the mystery shooter get caught. Now, again, I don't know if this is the actual truth. This is just the Internet's impression. And this hasn't been confirmed by any authority figure. This is people. But also the people who are least going to tell you the truth are the authority figures. And the experts are usually the people. Now, there's this theory, a psychology theory that's a very pronounced sociological effect. Weird phenomenon where individually people are stupid, but collectively they tend to be right with astounding precision. This is easy to prove as a test with A jar of marbles, A random number of marbles. You give people the same jar, different groups of people. Everybody's gonna be very wrong about how many marbles are in the jar when they guess. But collectively, they're gonna be almost on the mark. Cristina: When you, like, average out the number. Jack: Yeah, when you average out the numbers, they. They're always right. They're, like, within margins. I've seen the test on, like, YouTube. Get to. There'll be, like, 10,000 people, and they're within, like, 50 marbles of the right number, and there'll be, like, hundreds of thousands of marbles in the thing or whatever the h***. Just crazy numbers and the likes get there real with crazy precision. It never fails. This is why voting systems tend to really reflect what the people really think, because individually, everybody's stupid, but collectively, our thoughts mix into one cohesive thing. Cristina: Okay? Jack: And I think the people might be. Cristina: Right, but he's not the guy. Jack: He's not the guy. I think he's not the guy. I think this guy's just taking the fall. I think he's one of the many people who are like, you. Rock on, and you should be free because you did what we wish we had the guts to do. You're the hero, and we're the followers now. Cristina: But is there really a guy? Jack: There's a shooter, and there is a dead CEO, and there's a dude named Luigi, and he doesn't fit any of the characteristics. And the outfit he was seen while he was getting arrested with, which a bunch of people recorded, does not look like the same hoodie or 00:35:00 Jack: the same sweater. Cristina: He looked like the same. Jack: No, they were both green. It was. This is a green hoodie, like the guy in the video, and a sweater that was gray like the one in the video. But they were breaking down. This is the guy dressing like the dude and then claiming he's the dude. Because the dude in the videos hoodie has this cut. And you could see there, somebody pointed at a little pocket that he had here that this guy you arrested who's wearing the thing, doesn't have. And the. The unibrow that the guy in the video doesn't have, but the guy you arrested does. And somebody's pointing out the shape of his head. This guy looks kind of like a white guy. The guy you arrested is not. So a bunch of those going on, and it's like, man, the average here is. People are saying that dude isn't the guy. And then when you look at it, you're like, I mean, crap, you'd have to stretch it to say he is. Cristina: Okay, but so far he is. Jack: So far he is. According to authorities. Got him. Well, don't do it again. You're gonna easily get caught. Cristina: That's the end of that. Jack: That's the end of that. You see the problem? That's what they want us to think. Don't do it again. You will catch you easy. We're good people. Over 72% of all murders in the United States go unsolved. This statistic is provable. It's not something people should know. But. But just for your knowledge, that is a fact, you can Google this. Cristina: Murders go on. Jack: Most over 72% on average go unsolved. Most crime is unsolved. You have a group of people working on it. That is true. Most things go unsolved. We only report the ones we do. Think about that and look at your local statistics. You don't have to take my word for this. Now apply that logic and tell me they got the right guy. And they're not just saying that. Cristina: They always say they have the right guy. Jack: They always say they have the right guy. Cristina: We have to assume that they're wrong. They've always lied. Jack: They do that so you don't panic and decide. Or not panic. They do that because they're panicked. They don't. If they don't catch the guy, the next dude is gonna say, wait, he did it and got away with it. Cristina: And most likely we all did get away with it. Jack: Many, many, many. Most. Statistically speaking, seven. More than seven out of ten. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: More than seven out of ten got away every time. Cristina: But they're not gonna show us that. Jack: They're never gonna show us that more than 7 out of 10 get away every time. Cristina: So then the guy that they're showing us has to be alive, Statistically speaking at least. Yes. Jack: If we caught the guy who tried, the president. Two of them. Cristina: They can't be. Jack: You're not telling me that this guy is also you? Just all super mega agents, get the f*** out of here. No, nah, nah. You guys can't solve crap when it matters. You're solving this random s***. Yeah, for a CEO, dude. Nah, you don't believe it. You're trying to sell some, like, mountainous s***. All the other CEOs threw a bunch of money at this problem and they're like, he got caught. We don't give a f***. He got caught. Somebody put somebody and say he got f****** caught. Somebody's going to jail. They're not going to Be out there thinking he got out because then who the one of us is next. Get the f*** out of here. And that's where they all at right now. There's statistics. I'm not saying that's him. I'm not saying that's not. I'm offering you data, factual data. Nobody has to believe me on s*** right now. Go look online. Go look at your local statistics and you tell me I'm bullshitting. Most mergers go unsolved now. You don't even have to. You assume he's in that 30% that does get caught. Right? Or not he's in. Assume that the 30% plays out and that somehow. Now you go and look at the two pieces of evidence is all you need to do. You don't need to take my word for s***. Think everybody's crazy. Do start there. F*** it. Cristina: What? Jack: And you just go and look at the video. It's public as f***. Of the assassination. And look at the guy. Pause it. You could zoom in. And then you look at the guy they arrested. Do this at home. Pause the show. Cristina: Can we pause the show to do this? Jack: You want to look at it? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: All right. Okay. Okay. We looked. We couldn't find. How do I put it? Cristina: I found his brother Mario crying. Jack: Great. We. I. I found the video, but it's unclear whether the video was removed by the user or if the video was actually wasn't removed by the user because he could have just blocked it. It goes to the error page where it says the video couldn't be played. So the video is experiencing some playback issues. 00:40:00 Jack: Interesting. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Now, in looking for this, I have confirmed something weirder yet, which I don't know where I stand on because the sources include ABC News, cnn, USA Today, CBS, and fox. But this is very confusing because it's kind of getting to that. Some event happened recently where we didn't know what was true. And we were like, this is probably the point. They want us confused. This guy was not insured by the company at all. At least the guy they arrested has zero connection to the United Health Care. Cristina: He. Jack: His parents were not insured by that company. His mom was not insured by that company. I think he lied. But what's complicated about this is the guy who got arrested was found with a notebook. Well, he wasn't found with a notebook, but in his home there was a notebook that was essentially tracing the CEO's footsteps. So it's the guy, but the story's a lie. Cristina: Okay. He's stalking this guy. Jack: He's been Stalking the CEO that he killed. He was planning to kill the guy. Cristina: For a while, but there's no real reason of why he did it. Jack: The reason he gave is a lie. Cristina: Okay? Jack: Because he was not insured by that. And a guy doing the thorough work he had, he would have known that's not the guy. So he told a story, although it's the story we're going with. But he wasn't insured by United Healthcare at all. Again, it looks like the intent here is confusion because that's too conflicting. I wish I remember what the recent thing that happened that was kind of like this was where it looked like the intention was confusion. Like, who's the bad guy here? Cristina: I think it was the dead bodies. Not the dead bodies. The mysterious crates. Crates on boats that were going somewhere that could have been bodies. Like there was always stories about something happening. But I don't think they found the bodies. They're just like something weird's happening. Jack: I think also covet as well the amount of like contradictory. But I think that was a cover up. I think they were trying to cover that up and because it was slow. Cristina: How many things are just cover ups? Jack: I think a lot of things are cover ups because his government up here and there's. Cristina: Okay, is this a cover up? Jack: I don't know if this is a cover up. I don't know. I don't know what the h*** I just read. This is crazy. I don't know. Then what the. Did he shoot the guy for what the? Cristina: Because he. See, he's a CEO, so you pick. Jack: Why he just tracked this guy at random and like this one out of a hat. Cristina: Yeah, we don't know. Jack: Yeah, it's not. It's weird. It's definitely strange. Luigi Mangione was not insured by United Health Care. Cristina: That's why he did it. Because he's not insured from them. I don't know. Jack: Which means it couldn't be denied by an insurance company that he was not involved with. Yeah, no, it's just a weird, like. I don't know. Anyways. Anyways, that's one of the two informations. Interesting. Cristina: I don't know if we learned anything. Jack: No, we didn't learn anything. But I just wanted to talk about that real quick. The second thing we got to talk about really quick, which is we didn't ground it, though. Cristina: We ungrounded. Jack: We were. We were. We were grounding it. And then I read that part. Yeah, Yeah. I got more informed and it stopped being grounded the moment it flew away. I mean, how do we. We were so close, too. I think. Think, like, oh, man. I don't know. How do we make this make sense? There's some information missing here. Cristina: I don't know. Jack: We'll probably return to it. We'll come back another day. We'll see what we. What we learn in a week. Cristina: Okay. Jack: The second piece of information is the aliens. Cristina: Aliens everywhere. Jack: Everywhere. Cristina: Always. Jack: All the time. Cristina: All the time. That's weird. Jack: Yep. Cristina: But they're not aliens. They're just droids. They just say droids. Drones and drones. Yeah, that's drones. Jack: Chinese drones. Cristina: Are they Chinese drones? Jack: I don't know. We'll say whatever the h*** is Chinese. I don't know. The government told us it's Chinese. There's the news. Or somebody told us it's Chinese. How do we believe it? Cristina: Does it look Chinese? Jack: How would we know what a Chinese drone looks like? Cristina: Does it just look like a normal drone? 00:45:00 Cristina: I try to look at videos. It just. It? Yeah, I guess. I don't know. Jack: Drones got, like, a general look. It doesn't look like any other drone. Cristina: But they're trying to make it look like a ufo, too. Like it's a drone. But it's round. Jack: Yes. Okay, so they've been seen all over the country. Primarily in New Jersey. Weird. Cristina: Weird. Weird New Jersey. Jack: Weird New Jersey. Always attracting the aliens. Always attracting the ghosts. Cristina: They're here for the big fit. Jack: The big fit. Cristina: The Bigfoot. The Bigfoot that's here. Jack: Maybe they're just here for, you know, the Jersey Devil. Cristina: We also have that, so. Jack: You know what's funny? You know what's the funniest part about this? They are hanging out in this area. They're in the area where Clinton Road is. I didn't even think about this. They are hanging out. Out here. What the h***? There's no escaping that place. Cristina: This place is supernatural. Okay? Jack: Yeah, there's something weird here, and they're. Cristina: Just checking that out. Jack: Especially as something like something's happening with humans right now. Cristina: But if they. Dish, you found the drone. Jack: It's not alien, robot. It's It. It. If it is an alien drone, then they didn't send a fleshy meat sack inside of it. Cristina: Why would they do that? Jack: It's just not. Yeah, it's dumb. It's just technology floating around. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Now, we shot it down looking at that video. It's just technology. Normal. It didn't look alien or foreign. It's just technology. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Okay. So that's what it looks like. Cristina: That's what it Is somewhat like a plane. Jack: Looks somewhat like a plane. Looks like a government drone. Cristina: And what does that mean? What does it mean? If it's just a government drone, why are they in New Jersey? Jack: That explains why our government immediately blames China. Cristina: China sent their government drones here. Jack: No, it's because it's the easiest, quickest, fastest, immediate go to response anytime our government does anything themselves. Cristina: So you think they're doing something and they're covering it up by blaming China. Jack: We can't prove them wrong. Cristina: They really shouldn't do that because then it makes it sound like maybe China has control of our drones. And that's even. That's. That's the fear. Why are they trying to spread that fear? But I don't think they're trying to spread that fear. But now that's the fear. Jack: Anytime we don't like something, they blame China as to build some sort of enemy with them. Cristina: But like, if that were the truth, that's pretty horrible because it's clearly our. Ours. It's us. Jack: Well, no, all drones across the world that are usually military drones look the same. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: It's not just ours drones. Cristina: It may not. Jack: There's different kinds of drones. The ones that look like floating saucers are more sports drones that they got four propellers and can do all kind of weird acrobatics. Military drones tend to just be planes that can do direct strikes. Cristina: And you think it's someone else's. You don't think it's ours? Jack: I didn't say either. I think our government is saying it's China. And like, I don't trust our government. It's full of. And it's probably our governments. Cristina: If it's our. Whether either way is kind of bad because it's a lot. It's not like one. They're sending one. It's a bunch. Jack: We're seeing mass observation. If it is our government, then they are creating mass observation for indefinite surveillance of the whole population. They are testing out the military state. Cristina: And that's kind of crazy. Yeah. And everything I read, like, I couldn't read about us shooting one down, even though that one looks like it was shot down. But there's a bunch of articles saying don't shoot them down. Jack: Yeah, interesting point. Cristina: They're saying not to, like. Yeah, I guess that makes sense. If those are your things, you don't want people to be shooting them down. Like so. Jack: Yes. Interesting. Interesting fact. They are telling. I mean, of course, if it's theirs. Cristina: Yeah. But like, why? What if they've lost control of their own drones. Jack: That'd be crazy. Cristina: Like, would they tell us that? Jack: Why would your drones come to New Jersey? Cristina: I don't know. But because, yeah, that. That shows that they truly don't have any. Jack: Look at. There's no strategic advantage to coming over here. Nobody in New York is like, we saw drones. Cristina: No, but I. I think they're spreading. I think some people are seeing them. Jack: In PA and in Maryland. Cristina: Yeah. So it is spreading. Jack: Interesting. Cristina: Why started here? I don't know. Jack: I mean, government surveillance is weird. That is definitely one answer. Yeah, it is a possibility. Government surveillance, which. Oh, my God. Cristina: This might be black. 00:50:00 Cristina: Mira. We might have lost them. Jack: We could have lost them. Or no, it's intentional. Is it coincidence that the CEO thing happens and the President's attempt happened and that we mocked the people in the submarine and we're at a day and age when the rich and the powerful are trying to legislate moderation of the Internet and control and censorship. And then, then drones start showing up, watching people and things kind of. When you look at all the parts, it looks like the people are getting out of control. Initiate the protocol to take control of everything. Cristina: But as far as we can tell, they're not really doing anything. Jack: It would be slow. You can't do anything quickly. Remember Hitler's teachings. Why? A wise man once said, it's more effective to gradually change the rules than it is to make one mass big sweep. You do annoying small things that. So you take the big problem, you take the giant rule you don't want them to freak out about, and you break it into all the separate parts that make that rule up, and then you just little by little, change those to the other side. They're not going to see the bigger picture. You made it about the little thing. And they're going to react a little thing and react a little thing. But then it's nuanced and boring and stupid, and it doesn't really affect them in any big way. Cristina: So you think there's more steps to this? Jack: I think there's a thousand steps. And I think everything is unrelated looking and small and nuanced. Cristina: Part of the apocalypse, Part of the. Jack: Apocalypse, Part of as we know it, it's ending. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: I don't know what's going on. It is crazy. And. And again, it would fit the picture right? It's. It wouldn't make this a separate set of news from the CEO being shot. It would make it an inevitable result of people in power hitting panic in the last couple of Months or years. And initiating all sorts of things to assure their own safety against who they deem to be the peasants, which would be. These drones are created by the rich and powerful to watch all the people and make sure that they are safe. Cristina: But why start in New Jersey is really funny. Jack: That would make the most sense if that was the case. Where do all the rich people go? The ones who don't want to be. Cristina: In the public eye saying they're in New Jersey? Jack: Montclair, New Jersey. West Orange, New Jersey. It's close enough to New York that they can still accomplish all their money needs and get home within the hour. Cristina: Okay. What? I don't know. There's too much going on. It's definitely not aliens. Jack: At least it's definitely not aliens. Based on the information we have, the thing surrounding it. It's humans. And quite possibly it's our own government drones. It's not even, like, advanced technology. The one shot down looks kind of standard. It's just military grade, which is problematic, don't get me wrong. Yeah, that's bad. Yeah, but. And the fact that our government is like, don't shoot that. Definitely foreign military technology down. What? What? So we're just. You're telling us it's China. What's the alternative here? We're China's now, and you're just not saying it out loud. Yeah, I doubt that. You say that the bad guy too often. Let's shoot him down, everybody. Shoot him down, everybody. Cristina: If that is China, then China won and now they control us. Yeah, like, is that the conclusion? Like, I guess China rules. Jack: I guess. Cristina: I don't know. Jack: They won the race to the one world government. Cristina: I guess. So, like, this is the start of that. Jack: Nah, that. Shoot him down. Don't listen to anything anybody tells you. If it's not your drone flying over your property, shoot it down. Doesn't matter how big it is. Shoot it down. Cristina: You might get hurt. Jack: Huh? Cristina: Now you might get hurt. Jack: No, get out of its way. You shoot it down in the opposite direction of where you are. You watch it. Oh, it's in front of me and it's coming my way. Okay. I'll wait until it's directly over me and shoot it. It's gonna fall somewhere to the other side. Cristina: Mm. Okay. Jack: Don't get hurt. Just shoot it down. Shoot him down. F*** that. Don't listen to anybody who's like, no, they're alien. They're foreign technology by our enemies. Also. Let it doing. Nah, f*** that. If it's foreign technology, that's spying on you, Shoot it down. If it's your government lying to you, shoot it down. There's no reason they could come up with for you to not shoot it down. That's justifiable and logical. They're gonna try to gaslight you. I swear to God they're going to. Don't listen to them. This sounds like a load of s***. It doesn't matter which side they try to flip it. 00:55:00 Jack: It's just a bunch of. Shoot it down. Don't hurt anybody. Don't go do what some of these maniacs is. Yeah. Cristina: Didn't you say someone got hurt or something? Someone died. Jack: Oh, yeah. No, fair enough. Somebody got. Yeah, they did shoot it down and hit somebody on the highway. Cristina: Yeah. So that's probably the reason they're telling people not to shoot it down. Jack: Fair. Fair. Cristina: It was big enough to kill someone. Jack: Shoot them down in the woods. Make sure it's flying in the direction that there aren't people. There you go. Shoot those down. Now. If they start to strategically plan their flights in the direction of people because they. They take note of this, then. Then whatever. Consider your safety over everybody else's and do what you got to do. They gotta come down. They're spying on us. Cristina: They're spying on us. Jack: If it's the enemy. Enemy spying on you if it's home. Well, home is the enemy now. And they're spying on you. Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty bad either way. Jack: It's pretty bad either way. If it's aliens, they're spying on you and like, they're. Cristina: I don't know. Jack: I mean, I don't know what you could do. Cristina: It doesn't really. You can't. Like, even if you shoot it down, then it's not gonna accomplish. Jack: No. Another one will be replaced probably. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Quickly. They won't care. They could cross space. They probably got infinite numbers of those things. Cristina: Yeah. It's already too late. If it's aliens, it's too late. So it doesn't matter, I guess. Jack: Yeah, that's legit. If it's aliens, it's too late. There's nothing we can do about that. Cristina: Yeah, but if it's not, Just shoot it down safely. Safely. Jack: Safely shoot it down. Try to avoid people getting harmed. Cristina: But. Jack: But on the. On the offside. This isn't foreign or from home. What, it's just a plane. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: On the flip side, maybe the guy only shot the wrong drone. And that's not. Because if you look at some of the other videos and images, it kind of looks Like a weird alien craft, like a flying saucer or some s***. Cristina: So you think the government threw the up their drones around the area where the alien drones are, and that's why they don't want you to shoot any drones because you might destroy the government's drones that are. Jack: Maybe they're trying to study. What the h***? Interesting point. Cristina: There's some weird drone war happening right now, and they don't want us involved in it. Look, so it's easier just to say it's China, but leave it alone. Jack: When you look up, you're gonna see either the stars or drones, and they're gonna be at war. So while this Star wars is happening. Cristina: Horrible. Okay? Jack: And it's a Clone War that's happening. Don't shoot anything down. Let that Star Wars Clone wars happen. Can you imagine if I could do that indefinitely with random topics and just speak in titles? Cristina: Titles. That's horrible. That's horrible. And I hate it. I think everyone else hates it too. Jack: If you didn't know the reference, it would be fine. It's only if you knew the reference that you're like, you clearly like. Cristina: But then once you add Clone wars, it doesn't really make sense anymore. Jack: Why? That's the name of the movie. Star Wars Clone. Cristina: No, but, like, what does this relate. Where's the clone in this? Jack: Oh, crap. You're right. Cristina: It should actually connect to what's happening. Jack: Oh, the problem is here's. Here's where I messed up. Here's where the logic happens. The clones were created to fight the drones. Cristina: Okay? So you have to actually know what's going on in Star wars to get it. Jack: There's no clones in this, so it doesn't make sense. It made sense in my head when I remembered that the clones are actually controlled by the same people who own the drones. Cristina: Oh. Jack: Yeah, that's the real story. The people who own the clones own the drones. This fake proxy war to acquire more. Cristina: Power, maybe that's what this is. Jack: I guess. I guess. Cristina: Yeah, but powerful. Jack: Who from the people. The. The only thing we have to take. Cristina: Him if whoever's running China somehow. This is a show for China to show our capability if they decided to attack us like this. Jack: You think there's an invasion? Cristina: Dude, here's the argument. Jack: Here's the argument. Here's the argument taking just. Let's assume we're not being lied to. News media is correct and government statements are true. These are Chinese drones spying on the east. We have Chinese actual planes and spy planes checking 01:00:00 Jack: us out in the west, you want us to be safe. You have the border on the south letting through, on top of everybody else, a wave of, for some reason, Chinese immigrants coming from the south into the country that are being driven in buses directly to New York City with the rest of the South American immigrants. Bro, if we just take what you're telling us at face value. Do you want us to think a war is about to happen and are you about to start attacking the people? Is China invading? That's one. If not, are you using this as a means you're feeding? You're telling us this is all true. You're telling us. Government's telling us. You want us to think that there's an invasion happening so that you can invade ourselves. You're gonna attack us and blame them. Is that the goal here? Cristina: Or to have a reason to attack them? Jack: Or have a reason to attack them? Fair enough. Both. Maybe do both. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Attack them and say, oh, they're everywhere among us. We have to take control so we can weed them out. Out martial law until we find them. And they'll never find them. Cristina: So you think. Jack: Why are you telling us that all of this is Chinese? The Chinese with the Russian to the west, Chinese drones to the east, Chinese immigrants. There's no China beneath us. They took planes and technology there and migrated through the southern border. How the f*** this sounds like an invasion, bro. Like a strategic one too. Really good one. Cristina: But it's not an invasion if we're letting it happen and we know about it and we're helping them. Like it's not. It's ownership, it's something. Exactly. So are we already. Have we lost already? Or is. Are we just saying China's the bad guy when China's actually the secret puppet master this whole time? Jack: I don't know. They are the aliens we see in our skies and our government selling us. No, and those are not aliens. Those are the Chinese. Don't hurt them. And yeah, don't hurt that thing that's also in the West. Looking over one of our most important access points. Actually one of the most important access points on Earth, Anchorage. They're just hanging out by that. Russians and Chinese, the people we have over here on the East. Casual. Also, we got crazy beef with the Russians that they're hanging out over there with. Especially because we just green lit their direct war competitor to use weapons that are going to attack their people and their leaders deep into their country anyways. Yeah, don't shoot that plane down. What the. Does that mean? What? Confusion. Yeah, all the information Is conflicting all of the time. It's like, did Luigi do it? Weirdly enough, the spaceships that we're seeing and the guy shooting the CEO are all one f****** story. It's a weird control thing happening, and there's a bunch of confusion everywhere. Intentionally, it seems intentional. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Weird. Cristina: Mm. What? I don't know. I don't know what's going on. Nothing makes sense. Jack: Nothing makes sense. Confusion looks like the goal. Like, it absolutely looks like part of the plan. Here is a bunch of information. We saying this. We're saying that we're all legitimate sources. According to what we're saying. It's like, what? What? Dude, you said that's the bad guy. You said they're a threat. You said they're trying to spy on us. You said, there's nothing worse to our security than China. Also, those are Chinese drones. And also, don't touch them. Let them be. Cristina: Yes. Jack: At in the same breath that you're telling us the most dangerous nuclear power on earth that directly hates us is teamed up with them watching our western border. And you're like, no, it's all good. You just had a training. Nah, nah. When you put it all together, bro. Nah. Cristina: What's happening then? Jack: I don't know. I don't know. It looks weird. Cristina: It looks very strange. Jack: But everything does lately, because it's falling apart, I think. Again, my theory is the grasp for total control because the people are. They're over it. Cristina: But then is any of this anyone or is this us? Jack: I don't know. I don't know if somebody. That's the crazy part, right? Because it comes back to how much of this is true. If everything is being controlled. Did we break through and show a CEO? No, because it's on everything. It's everywhere. Cristina: So it's all fake or real? Jack: One or the other. That's the problem. And that's the other issue. If it's all fake. It's always been fake. We've never been told the truth. We have an idea what reality looks like. The people who know have always lied to us about it. Cristina: Yeah, that could be it, I think. Jack: Weird. Cristina: Yeah. 01:05:00 Cristina: I gotta find some of these drones. That I'll know. Jack: Anyways, those are the two things I quickly wanted to talk about. Now we can talk about the point of this episode, which is supposed to. Oh, crap. Cristina: What? Jack: We're way over the time. Cristina: Oh, all right. Jack: Yeah, we're gonna have to do this next time. Cristina: No one is gonna care. Jack: They care. And look, I promise we're gonna get to this. It's important they need to know our thoughts on these matters. Cristina: Okay? Jack: And we're going to get to it. Except we don't have time for that today. So next time we're gonna talk about this. But today we unpack those aliens. Cristina: Did we? Jack: Yeah, there's no aliens. Cristina: I guess so, yeah, we did that part. Jack: And we also made more sense with the story of the aliens. Made way more sense of the story of Luigi. Cristina: Oh, yeah, it's all fake. Jack: It's all fake. It's all grounded. It's definitely feasibly a bullshit narrative made up by a bunch of different. So it's one of two things. Either yes, all of it is fake or all the parts are true. Either some dude really did kill a CEO, and that's not somebody trying to trigger you. Somebody broke through and decided to do the thing and the people cheering it on are real people. And there's a thing about to happen. There's a thing that's about to happen. Cristina: That's why we got these droid drones to stop this from happening. Jack: Exactly. The drones. So most of the news is true and people are spotting the rich people's attempt to solve their own fear. Yes, or all of this is f****** true. And those are not ours. That's an invasion. What's happening in the south is an invasion. And what happened with this guy is not real either. That's some stage situation done by the people who usually want to trick you into wanting to go to war with people. If you believe 911 was an inside job to have an excuse to go invade a place, then the drone excuse is the same logic. And there's nobody out west either. That's bullshit. We're just looking for reasons to convince the people that we need. And if we. The more riled up we get, the people the more riled up. So next thing we're gonna find out is that somehow this guy's an insurance company, was owned by some Chinese crap. Whether it's true or not. Oh, they had investors who were Chinese and making money off of whatever. Whatever the h*** we're going to be like. Oh, China. Cristina: Go to every story and see how all of them, any story you've ever heard is related to China. Jack: I bet. Bare minimum. I think it's like using nothing but FOX and cnn. We can connect any story back to China. Okay, then I guarantee you I'm almost. I'm like 99.91% sure that I can. Using no other sources. If they've talked about it, I could probably find the Mention of China in the article, even if they're not directly blaming it. Don't write the word China because it's part of the agenda. You need to think China associated with this article somehow. Cristina: Yes. Okay. Jack: Officials theorize maybe it was China or spectators were believing it was a Chinese. You know, just structured in a way that the thought, oh, Chinese put it up there. Even if they're saying they didn't, but then you'll read it later, they think China put it up there. Before long, even if all of them told you China didn't put it up there, you kept hearing China put it up there. Cristina: Yes. Jack: People definitely think China put it up there. We're not saying they did. People definitely think that, though. That guy over there thinks that. We spoke to these people of some expert think we don't. We're just reporting random crap. Some expert think. Some probably experts. We've deemed experts who were these experts. But with these experts, they think China put it up there. Before long. They never said it was China. No, but I'm sure with all of. Cristina: Them, they're always doing that. Jack: Subliminal messaging everywhere. Cristina: Yeah, the masters of it. Jack: Anyways, if you guys have any input, any thoughts on this Luigi character, any thoughts on that shooting, that murder, any thoughts on these alien drones that are really Chinese drones, that are really American drones that aren't real at all. They're probably just birds. Cristina: It's just birds. Jack: It's just birds. Robot birds. Government. Yeah, it's government birds. That's it. Okay, if you guys got any input on any of that, let us know, as well as how excited you are to hear the news. I got to share with you guys about the research I've done. Anyways, you can tell us about all these things on our socials at just convopod, on Tick Tock, on Instagram, on Facebook, on X. Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the 01:10:00 Cristina: show. Jack: Yes. And word of mouth is the most exaggerated thing in the world. Tell them we've solved it. We figured it out. We know who did the thing, why they did it, and what comes next with profits. Tell them we can tell the future. Cristina: All right, this has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. It. Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Cristina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Elin Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black. 01:11:11

October 29, 2022

Rambling 198: Dangerous Imaginary Friend

October 29, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

Why did Jackie imagine Hank? Who is Hank? Is this something Jackie and her family should be concerned about? The duo opens the case of Hank, the Imaginary Friend, and the investigations gets only stranger as the data I reviewed. With a theory that feels right!

Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Jackie, the 9 Year Old
Hank the British Imaginary Friend
Is Hank Real?
Hanks Increasingly Odd Behavior
Making Threats
Abandoned Car
Missing Person’s Report
Questionable Heart Attack
Mental Asylum
The Forest
Speculations

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Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurdity, baffling ideas.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Yeah, that pause was monumental. So let's recap. Halloween's coming up, so we've been doing some weird. We've been.

Cristina: Yeah, some weird stories.

Jack: We've been digging. We've been digging deep. Deep in the. In the. In the digs.

Cristina: In the digs.

Jack: We. We've been digging deep in the digs.

Cristina: What's that supposed to mean?

Jack: We've been digging.

Cristina: We've been digging.

Jack: We've been digging holes. Yes, like the movie holes.

Cristina: Like the movie holes, except this one has the demons in it.

Jack: It built a character.

Cristina: What, this hole that we found has demons in it?

Jack: Well, we did. Yeah, we did find the hole with demons, but. Okay, so, yeah, there is a hole in some country, Russia or some s***. Like the border of Russia. I don't remember the story of Russian. Something and evil is in the hole. Allegedly. We don't really know.

Cristina: It's the Pepsi Cola.

Jack: Yeah, the Pepsi Cola wormhole. Yes, the Pepsi Cola wormhole is a scary place, but so is the Bio Ventura.

Cristina: The real life resident Evil lab.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, the Umbrella Corp.

Cristina: Umbrella Corp.

Jack: So, yeah, we. Look, the first story was just looking for some weird thing that happened in real life. The second story that we found was trying to type in exactly the same circumstances that would, in theory, describe the first story. But we just found the flip of it. Right. Originally we were like, what's a real scare? Not scary, but like, what's a real.

Cristina: Weird event that scientists can't explain? Or I guess they might have explained, but we'll never know their explanation.

Jack: Exactly. There wasn't a way to really tell.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But I'm like, okay, what's a real event that has some. Some spooky connotations to it? And then we found the. The. The lab thing, right. It's trying to replicate the whole thing. The whole thing was just. Hey, what's weird? What was it? It was. We. What's some. A scientific thing that has no explanation?

Cristina: Okay. Yes.

Jack: And I was like, okay, but that was by accident. I just. What's something scary we could look up and I found some science related. What was it? No, what's the scary science thing?

Cristina: Something scary that science can explain.

Jack: Yes. Well, I was just looking for something scary and I found Something sciency. I was just looking for something grounded, something that, you know, what's tangible. What do we have evidence for? And so we found the science experiment that was weird. And so then we looked into it or typed in the right. The same combination to try to find something else after we found that story. And instead, what we found was something unexplainable. They happened to be with scientists. Yes, but this one had, like, an alien or ghost vibe to it.

Cristina: Mm. And they weren't doing any research on the thing. I mean, their research was kind of like a normal human research of, like. What's that sound? Let me check it out.

Jack: Yeah, well, there wasn't research. It was more like investigating.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now we do this, get conclusions, blah, blah, blah. So I'm like, all right, we got to do this again because, you know, now we're by accident, consistent. And it's October. Let's do it. So October. And I got one more. One more chance before Halloween to be spooky.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And I started digging.

Cristina: Spooky.

Jack: Well, I start digging, and I can't find anything related. It's sort of the same situation again because I type, okay, like, this time, we have a bunch of police reports and stuff. And I'm like, oh, that's. You know, that's kind of cool. That's pretty dope, because they weren't police reports for the first thing. There was just a bunch of people abandon the s***. And then the second one actually had police reports. That's kind of cool.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So I'm like, is there something else that, like, there's actual police reports for that's creepy and unexplainable? And I go digging and digging and digging, and I actually do find something quite interesting. The question is, is it spooky? So this is potentially hit and miss, but we're gonna find out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Okay, so let's dive into the story of Jackie. Jackie is a little girl.

Cristina: How little? Or I guess how young?

Jack: Very.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She's from Oklahoma. She's like eight or nine.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She's from Oklahoma. And Jackie has an imaginary friend.

Cristina: That's, like, the first thing I was thinking.

Jack: I said little girl, and you just thought, imaginary friend.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay, continue.

Jack: It's just. Okay, based on me saying imaginary friend, what do you think is gonna happen?

Cristina: I don't know. Because, like, she talks to the friend, and the friend tells her to. I don't know. It's always like, some kind of, like, evil ghost thing. But we'll see.

Jack: We'll see. Okay, so Jackie's Grandmother Stephanie stated that she often spent time playing with her imaginary friend and her dolls.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: Basic little girl s***.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Imaginary friends, dolls checks out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So when asked to describe her imaginary friend, she claimed it was an older man named Hank.

Cristina: Always. Why is it always some creepy dude? What is with these creepy dudes hanging out with little kids? Imaginary creepy dudes. It's always a dude ghost. I never hear about a woman ghost hanging out with kids.

Jack: I don't know either. But also, pedos are, like, a thing and quite. This is what. This is the kind of s*** that makes you be like, well, it's probably real. Like, it checks out according to, like, the percentage of creeps that are out there. Yeah. So anyways, Jackie would tell her parents about, like, stories of the. The. Of Hank. Hank would tell Jackie stories, and Jackie would excitedly tell her parents stories. So she would tell. He would tell her about, like, how he used to work at a lighthouse.

Cristina: That's cool.

Jack: He used to work on a lighthouse off the coast of England. Jackie's from Oklahoma, so it's interesting that there's this random guy, and so she, you know, he tells her about his life and. Because his imaginary friend. Right. So he tells about his life, his hobbies, just things. Stuff.

Cristina: Nothing weird that he's telling her, or at least not yet.

Jack: No. Yeah, I suppose so. As a little girl playing with her dolls, I find it strange that it's not just weird that he's a grown man. That's weird. But it's weirder that he's a grown man playing with dolls that's already kind.

Cristina: Of like, okay, he's playing with her. Like, she. It's her playing with dolls with him. You're saying, like, they're playing together?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: With the dolls?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay. Okay. I didn't know that. Okay.

Jack: That's weird. It's not that she's playing with him and playing with her dolls. She's playing with him and her dolls.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Simultaneously, he's a grown imaginary friend who likes to play with dolls, and he's a dude. An older dude.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Kind of weird. Checks out the whole, you know, I'm grooming your child to do things to it, kind of. But it's imaginary, so what the h*** can anybody do? There's not a problem there. Just a crazy little girl or a normal little girl with imaginary friends.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So one day, Hank approaches Jackie screaming and crying and saying he'd seen something horrible happen. What? Imaginary stuff, you know?

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. Okay.

Jack: So he says he saw somebody fall and get hurt outside Simple.

Cristina: Well, she checks it out.

Jack: Well, she doesn't check it out. She tells her mother and her father and although they didn't believe her, so she, she, they, you know, in order to humor her, they check it out. They go check it out and what they find is an actual kid had broken his leg outside somewhere. Yeah, it was like a block away.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: She probably heard it or something. You know, typical. She was probably because she was playing outside moments before. She wasn't down the block, but maybe she saw something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And she tells her parents or whatever. M and I think actually she was in her backyard and this happened a block away, but she probably heard it happen. And you know, as an intelligent child, quick fact. Children with high IQs tend to be the ones who have imaginary friends.

Cristina: Really.

Jack: It is their mind processing information highly, like very fast and it has to compose and composite things. And a lot of the time it superimposes imagery that allows them to process. And if the child is thinking at an extremely adult level, they might manifest an adult that can think for them in that instant psychology fact. Anyways, this child must have heard the kid fall and start crying.

Cristina: Okay, so nothing weird yet.

Jack: Nothing weird to come in from the backyard and tell her parents. And then her parents then went to investigate and found the kid. They're aware that her child is highly intelligent. They've been told things to expect of her child and also to not worry about the imaginary friend because of this very circumstance. Highly normal. It is an extremely intelligent child. Okay, so this is kind of expected. And a child with high intellect is also a child with high intuition. You can have very small pieces of information and piece together quite vivid images that are accurate.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Her predictability. Not her predictability, but her ability to predict. Astounding. Because of high intellect, imaginary friend because of high intellect and intuition. Because of high intellect, the kid is essentially psychic. Because of high intellect, she could hear something and piece it together, basically what happened here. So obviously her parents thought nothing of it.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah, I guess there's nothing suspicious there.

Jack: No, nothing at all. Why do you keep saying yet this what you keep saying yet?

Cristina: Cuz something's gonna happen.

Jack: Do you believe something's gonna happen?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay. Anyways, so. So the child's parents were contacted, the situation was dealt with, blah, blah, blah. And again her parents just brushed it off as something expected something normal. And sometime later, Hank began acting strange again, but in a weirder way. You know, he started think of like nurses from Silent Hill. How they kind of like twitchy and, like, real uncomfortable looking.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So, yeah, doing that and like, screeching and like, at random, he would do this. Almost like he was glitching. But this. This is her describing this to her parents. She wouldn't use the word glitching, but, you know, she would try to explain the motions and how he would just start screaming crap. And then he'd just go back to normal.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And like, it never happened.

Cristina: Like, she tried to get an answer from him and he couldn't explain it.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Like, he would. Like it never happened to him. Like. Oh, I don't. I don't know what you're talking about.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Again, imaginary friend. So whatever weird things are gonna happen. But as a result of this, she began to have a lot of night terrors, consistently night after night after night after night after telling her parents about this. So it became really consistent that she would have these. And she had to go into a child therapist. She started seeing a child therapist consistently because of this. It was becoming intrusive. She would not sleep any night. All the nights were interrupted. All the nights, all the nights. All the nights, all the time.

Cristina: Because she was dreaming about or having nightmares about Frank.

Jack: Yeah, just these weird motions. Screaming. Some of the dreams that she described just kind of looked like a horror scene is basically all black and just him there, nothing else. And him, like, twitching in that manner and screaming in that manner with nothing else but him being the focal point.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. It's kind of horrible because it's unclear whether she. She placed herself in the world of the dreams that she was having. Like, she was physically there or she was just watching nothing but him. Like, is she seeing herself third person, or is she seeing first person so all she sees is him? That was unclear, but it was described as essentially a dark void with nothing but his presence. How she saw him. That made her scared.

Cristina: Yeah. Were they trying to now, like, get her to stop having an imaginary friend? Is that even possible?

Jack: Yes. They tried medication in small doses because she was a child and that wasn't really working. But they immediately stopped that because of. It was kind of numbing her out, but she would still have all the problems. So you'd like drugging your child and not even solving the problem, which is a huge issue I have with giving children medication. Anyways. Your kid has adhd. Maybe that's just your child has a lot of energy and maybe. Don't drug your child.

Cristina: Don't punish your child for energy.

Jack: Don't punish your child for Being a child.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, my child can't focus. Well, they're f****** kid, you know. But yeah. So consistently her parents would chalk it off to emotional stress. The therapist explained that this stuff is expected. You know, her mind has to process even the darker things of life, and as she gets older, she's going to understand those things more. But maybe not consciously, maybe this is all happening subconsciously and manifesting as these twisted images that she's getting from Hank.

Cristina: Okay, so everything's normal so far.

Jack: It's normal. It's very on brand for a intelligent child. Minus the now. This is. According to the doctors, it's totally fine. But what's weird for Jackie particularly is that she's consistently trying to explain. He's always more aggressive than he was before. So the twitching is more vicious, the screaming is more vicious, and he's more confrontational. Consistent. Like he's more aggressive in his words, have a stronger tone and he sounds like he's talking down to her more frequently. That kind of stuff.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But. But again, totally normal, according to the doctors, really.

Cristina: What.

Jack: What would be abnormal about an imaginary friend being weird? Unless you're thinking something horrible, which you are.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It wouldn't be strange.

Cristina: It's gotta still be weird for the parents. Even if they're being told it's normal, it's still weird.

Jack: Why would it be weird? As opposed to, oh, our kid.

Cristina: But their kids having nightmares and it's. She's telling you her imaginary friends going wild again.

Jack: Just because you're expecting something odd to happen is that you're in the state of mind. Think about how often a little kid leaves his bed and goes and jumps in bed with their parents. And you're like, oh, how cute. But that kid had a nightmare. Some kids do that every night. That's not weird. You're just expecting something weird to happen. So you see it weird. But it's extremely. It's the most common thing.

Cristina: Nightmares, though, if she's saying that she's.

Jack: Experiencing this, well, it's an imaginary friend, which is also incredibly common. It's like a kid saying there's a monster under the bed every night. Again, you're expecting something weird, so you're seeing it as something weird. But what part of this have you never heard before? All of it is extremely common. Kids see crazy s***, though. There's monster, daddy, there's a monster under my bed. And that. That every night has to come and be like, there's not a monster under the bed. No, I saw it. Okay, I'll look under. Or it's in the closet. I'll in the closet. This is normal. This is all normal. You're expecting spooky, so you're thinking about it as weird. Why? Well, it's so weird that she. It's totally normal. There's actually nothing strange about this, about imaginary friends.

Cristina: That glitch out. That's totally normal.

Jack: You gotta understand that none of what's being described is weird in the context that a child's mind is making it up. So I'm using the word glitching out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I could say spasming. Regardless of which word I use, the descriptions of the child are childlike and what. The events that are happening are extremely normal, as explained by therapists who experience it all the time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Professionals who experience this all the time are saying, this is normal. This is absolutely normal.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which means it's so common.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That they're not like, your child's f***** up.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Do you see?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You're expecting something weird, so you're seeing it weird because you're looking for it. But the people who are trained to spot how normal it is are like, well, this on paper is some s*** I've seen a thousand times.

Cristina: Okay. I have not seen this a thousand times, but okay.

Jack: Yeah. But you're expecting to see something weird, so you're already looking for it. You're like, which part of this is the one that I'm supposed to pay attention to? Don't worry about it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The doctor said it's fine. You just follow the expert.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Not the little girl. You focus in too hard on little girl's opinions. Little girl. Why are you putting trust in her? Even her parents are like, f*** this child. She's just a f****** kid.

Cristina: That's awful. I don't know.

Jack: But, like, in most cases, what you gonna do? Humor your child's crazy s***? And then they turn out to be a real nutcase because you made them think this is absolute. Absolutely. Okay. Instead of going out of it. That is where you see you'd messed up your child in this instant. Because you're like, well, this is so weird. My child. Oh, my God. But no, it's not. It's totally normal. It's absolutely normal. It's absolutely normal. Until 8-16-20. I mean, 2001.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: In August 16, 2001, it stopped being normal.

Cristina: How so?

Jack: Well, Jackie calls Stephanie, which is her grandma, claiming Hank said he would hurt her parents.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now it stopped being normal. Now, if she were to tell the doctor that the doctor would Be like, now we've got a problem. Up until that point, it was totally normal. You were looking for it. Now you got some s*** that is like, is this kid gonna f****** hurt her parents?

Cristina: Is she?

Jack: Well, I don't know. What do you think? So, okay, Stephanie asked to speak to Jackie's parents, and they were fine, obviously, because this f****** kid's crazy, okay? And also, it's a f****** nine year old. Like, what the h*** are you gonna do to hurt your parents if they're paying attention, you gotta catch them while they're sleeping or something if you're crazy like that.

Cristina: Is that what she does? No. Continue the story. Yes. Okay. Okay. So they talked. She talks to the parents. Parents are fine.

Jack: Yes, they're. The parents are perfectly fine. And, you know, nothing. Nothing out of the ordinary. It's just like your kids spazzing out of the nightmares of guy weariness or whatever. She just needs to escape the situation. So Stephanie has to have Jackie for the night, you know, to ease the parents worry. To ease Jackie's worries. And interestingly enough, Jackie said that anytime she was with her grandma, Hank wasn't there. Hank tends to be at home. At her. At Jackie's home, not at her grandma's house.

Cristina: Okay. Because if this was a ghost story, he's just haunting the house she's living in.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. If this is a ghost story, it's haunting the house is living in. And so Jackie goes and stays with her granny at her granny's house, you know?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So the next morning, it gets weirder.

Cristina: I don't know what happens.

Jack: The next morning, the police knock on Stephanie's door.

Cristina: Okay, about the parents.

Jack: Right, about the parents. So, okay, this is what happens. The parents car is found parked on the highway, but the parents aren't there. And they did a search to find who the car belongs to, but the parents were also not home. But the car was there. Didn't look like anything weird happened. It kind of looked like they pulled.

Cristina: Up, they just abandoned their car, parked.

Jack: And just abandoned the car. Now the car's abandoned, but they find out that, you know, it belongs to the parents or whatever.

Cristina: How long was it abandoned for? Like, when did someone realize that it was, like, suspicious, or the next morning. Next morning. Oh, okay. And it took them that quickly to, like, look it up of, okay, the parents live there. And then the grandpa, like, did they contact a bunch of people?

Jack: Probably not the next morning. That was just a couple of hours. The girl just stayed overnight.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which means the car was just parked on the Highway.

Cristina: And then they went to the grandma to look for the parents.

Jack: Well, not really. They probably went to the parent looking for the parents at the parents house. They probably ran the plates and they're like, somebody just parked out here.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Chances are that car had a ticket.

Cristina: On it and stolen or something.

Jack: That was probably the initial realization. But the car was just parked there. There was no broken windows or anything. And so they didn't find the parents at the place. But you know, looking for contacts and whatever, they end up finding the grandma. And they're like, okay, yeah, weird, but whatever. And the car is just there. So at this point, the grandma. Stephanie and Jackie have not heard from the parents since the previous night. So they don't actually know why they would park and abandon the car. They just know that they parked and abandoned the car. But they did in fact confirm, yes, that is the car.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Very important. Which was the goal of the police being like, does this belong to whoever?

Cristina: Yeah. And they found out. Yes.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the car gets. Because it's on the highway, and the car. They're told that the car's been towed. The car. This is important for you to like, get in contact with these people and tell them. And they. They're like, yeah, whatever.

Cristina: They like, yeah, whatever. Yeah.

Jack: Like, they're gonna go and she's gonna contact them. Eventually she gets in contact with them. She's gonna be like, hey, your car.

Cristina: How long does it take for people to feel like, okay, maybe they're missing or something?

Jack: Or that's like a day, like a week.

Cristina: But she's not worried.

Jack: I mean, the car was just found parked on the highway, so she's very worried. It doesn't. Nothing told us she's worried. But I Like, we can reasonably assume you find a parked car on the highway unless she's dead on the inside. She's probably like, well, that's strange. I should probably be worried. It'd be crazy if the cops knock on the door in the morning and they're like, hey, this car was probably here overnight, but. And also, we didn't find the people in the car. Does this car belong to somebody who you know? Yeah, it's a car of my daughter. Okay. Yeah, it was abandoned.

Cristina: Nothing suspicious about the car.

Jack: It was abandoned in the highway. And besides that, Stephanie is like, oh, that's cool. And then the cops leave, and then she never again gives it a second thought. She's just like, what is. Stupid parents my granddaughter has that they would just park on the highway and walk away don't they know that's what parkings are made for? Not the emergency lane. You know, she's over here cooking, like, stupid child of mine. I taught them how to park. Why are they stopping on the highway? No, of course she's like, what the.

Cristina: F*** do you know which one is her child?

Jack: Her child is the girl.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The. The mother.

Cristina: Mother. So she tries to contact her.

Jack: The mother of the daughter. Cc. Yeah, she tries to contact her. That does not work out. This is 2001. Presumably one of them had a cell phone. Probably not. It was probably house phone. And see, here's the problem. This is also why it's, like, less concerning, because there's no. There's not like, any. You can't immediately get in contact with anybody.

Cristina: Yeah. So it's going to be a while for her to be like, this is really dangerous. Or not dangerous, suspicious.

Jack: Like something horrible. No, it's already. Again, there's a car parked on the emergency lane in the highway, and there's nobody in the car. And we cannot seem to find the people whose car it is at home. Have you seen them? Nah, nah, it's already suspicious.

Cristina: Do they know, like, maybe the car. There was something wrong with the car, like it couldn't drive.

Jack: They don't. Which is actually an assumption that was made. Perhaps the cut. That's why they went to the house to find out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Perhaps there was something wrong with the car that prevented the car from moving. They didn't have the car keys, so there was no way to just turn on the car and drive it away. The car was towed.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Yes. But I'm assuming after the car was towed is when it's like, okay, we gotta contact the people whose car it is to then get them to come and get the car. But, oh, we can't find them.

Cristina: We can't find them.

Jack: So we need to do everything in our power to find them. Because we need our money.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We gonna get gangster on these mofos. They better give us our guap.

Cristina: That's all they care about.

Jack: Care about. So they show up to the house, and the pope was like, there's nobody here. They probably knock the door down, get, boom, search the house for the money or whatever. Or whatever cops do, you know?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then they dip. Find the money, and they're like, they're hiding. They don't want to pay. We're gonna find them by any means necessary.

Cristina: So they go to the grandma for the money.

Jack: So they go to the grandma, they beat that door down. Too. And they strong armed grandma. It's like, we know you're hiding them. We know. She's like, I've not seen them. You're lying. They tortured her for weeks trying to find out. You will tell us. They waterboarded her every night.

Cristina: But, like, when they dropped her off, the grandma didn't think anything weird was going on. Like, the parents seemed perfectly fine.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, the parents didn't seem. I mean, none of these reports tell me that, but like, the fact that nothing was mentioned. Mm, probably it was just like a normal day.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Like their behavior wasn't strange enough that she would say, oh, they were being weird beforehand.

Cristina: Yeah, there's something going on. But okay, yeah, like, clearly I thought.

Jack: Something would happen because they were being so strange. No, that never happened. They were perfectly fine. Fine. But it got weird because although they didn't get in contact with them the first couple of hours, questions start to rise after the first day and they're still not around. And then the second day and they're still not around.

Cristina: Has the grandma told anyone about what the daughter had said?

Jack: No, she. The grandma actually completely forgot that the daughter even said this. It's totally escaped her that the reason this little girl was staying at her house in the first place is because she. Because you gotta understand, this girl has been complaining about this for a long time. So anything and everything that she says relative to Hank, it just goes tuned out to some degree.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because, you know, they've dealt with it for a while.

Cristina: Yeah. And how's the girl behaving during this time while her parents are missing?

Jack: She doesn't know that her parents are missing.

Cristina: Oh, she doesn't.

Jack: She's not told a single thing. Why would you just freak this girl out? Especially if you're just gonna fight. What if you just find her parents and they're perfectly fine? They were just out there f****** somewhere. They went to a hotel. The f***? And you're gonna be like, oh, my God, your parents are missing? No, just, you know, she's protecting a little girl. The girl doesn't know anything, but. So it was totally forgotten. But eventually, after the second day, without hearing from the parents, the police determine, you know, this is. This is. Okay, now this is problematic. This is a missing person's case at this point.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. So they're like, okay, we definitely need to organize a search party. We know where the car was. Let's start sending people out. It's, you know, if they have been kidnapped or if they're hurt, we Gotta get to them before like it's a wrap. So they send the search party and you know, as things go, they were searching the forest around the highway that the car was found.

Cristina: There's a forest around the highway.

Jack: Well, most highways cut through a forest.

Cristina: Oh that's. That sucks. But like the search sucks because it's gonna be hard to find them if they are in there.

Jack: I mean anytime somebody is missing around the highway, there's. You gotta search the forest next to the highway. That's never not been the case.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like I think the point of a highway is that it cuts through the forest so that you can get to the next location. So I think every highway, unless you live in California through a forest. It's through a forest. Yeah. There might be nothing more normal.

Cristina: Yes. It just sucks as just like to search through though.

Jack: But no, because if this is the case and every highway is surrounded by a forest, you've already trained in searching every forest or not every forest, but you trained in searching through a forest. It's probably easier than searching through a city where there's alleys and buildings with multiple floors that somebody could be missing in.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You just got complicated one dimension to look. It's a plane. You just walk through the plane. And that's why it's way easier. You know, it's the whole shallow grave scenario. It's like what's in the woods. It's kind of easy to stumble upon.

Cristina: You probably have search dogs too. That makes it even more easier.

Jack: Way easier. This like there's nothing easier than searching the woods.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Hard would be somebody went missing in the city. Well there's, I guess there's 5 million people in the city. How the f*** are you gonna find it?

Cristina: Could.

Jack: They could be walking by us and we might mess up.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You know, the woods, ideal location for somebody to go missing. If you're gonna find them. The woods is where you want them to be.

Cristina: Alright.

Jack: And so after the two days they go and they organize a search party and start searching the woods. Now two days of search go by without finding anything.

Cristina: And the girl still doesn't know.

Jack: The girl still doesn't know. She's just staying with her grandma. But at this point the girl hasn't even talked to her parents on the phone or anything.

Cristina: So she's probably getting suspicious that something's.

Jack: Wrong or it's like a nine year old girl. Why would she get suspicious of anything?

Cristina: I don't know. Does that she have school or something to go to or she's Too young for that. You think?

Jack: This child is like, oh, my God, I should. She's like. She's remembering school.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This is like a vacation. Yeah. This child's like, man, I need to. I need to go to school. It's important. My education comes first. What's happening?

Cristina: I miss my friends, maybe. I don't know.

Jack: This kid doesn't give a bro.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But two days into the search and they. They find Jonathan, Jackie's father.

Cristina: Okay. Oh, Jonathan. That's good.

Jack: Yes. Yes. And he's actually found dead.

Cristina: Oh, no.

Jack: Yeah, he's. He's. His body is found resting against a tree deep in the forest. It's called a parallel forest, by the way. So deep in parallel forest, he. His body's found. Parallel forest is off. I don't know the name of the highway, but it's off the highway. And this is in Oklahoma. And so his body's just found, like, sitting against a tree.

Cristina: Sitting against the tree?

Jack: Yeah, sitting against the tree. And the coroner's report says that it was just a heart attack.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah. Like, he got out of the car, traveled the woods, started to have a heart attack, leaned against a tree to kind of like, brace himself, and died there.

Cristina: What? That's pretty insane.

Jack: Yeah. That's f****** crazy, right?

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: It's like, whoa, dude, you were having a bad day.

Cristina: And then they find the lady?

Jack: They did not immediately. So it was actually.

Cristina: How many search days is this? So far?

Jack: It's been two days of searching without. So it was two days missing?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then two days of searching. It's been four days since they went. Since Jackie stayed with her grandma when they find her father. Okay, so four days between the day she goes to her grandma's and the day they find her father.

Cristina: Okay. Do they know how long he's been dead?

Jack: That is not established. I do not know.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It was probably in. Somewhere in there, and I totally skimmed, so I don't know. The amount of time that comes by nex is three days before her mother is then found.

Cristina: What's her mom doing?

Jack: It's less about what her mom is doing, more about how weird it is what happened. So her mom is found in Modoc National Forest.

Cristina: Is that like super far from the forest that they're in?

Jack: Well, they're in Oklahoma and this forest is in California. What? That's weird.

Cristina: That's weird. What? What? Okay.

Jack: Yes. Also, she's found dead, and she's found sitting against a tree in the woods.

Cristina: From a heart attack.

Jack: The coroner's report claimed it Was a heart attack?

Cristina: No, she got a heart attack after walking from Oklahoma Street.

Jack: There's no way she could have walked that.

Cristina: That's not a four day walk or how long has it been at this point?

Jack: It's seven days. But that's not a seven day walk. You'd never make. You'd die long before then.

Cristina: Okay, but they think that's suspicious though, right?

Jack: She could have taken a ride there and died.

Cristina: I guess. That is so cr.

Jack: Like nobody's like, she walked there and died? No, again, only if you're expecting it to be weird will you conclude that these things are weird. Otherwise she just f****** left and had. Now again, the cops aren't connecting these dots. They're just like cops elsewhere found her. They're not like aware that again, cops in California found there. They're not like, hey man, does this woman over here have family that died elsewhere give a s***. They're just like a dead woman. So yeah, that's. But us observing it is like, whoa.

Cristina: Whoa, what does the grandma think of all this?

Jack: I know the grandma's tripping out, bro. She's like, what the. Because that's her daughter.

Cristina: Her daughter doesn't really believe her daughter ran away and then died.

Jack: Yeah, she didn't think her daughter parked the car, hitchhiked. The California died of a heart attack in the woods. Like, what party were they? Dude, that's some crazy drugs her and her husband were on. D***. I'm sure that probably crossed your mind though, like, what kind of crazy drugs were these crazy kids doing? Bath salts.

Cristina: Oh, maybe.

Jack: Man. Were bath salts even around in 2001? I don't think so. Right?

Cristina: No, it was just happening like Beth's.

Jack: Yeah, bath salts is like 2006. Maybe they had the first batch of bath salts. Yeah, they had like some super dysfunctional no kinks worked out.

Cristina: Oh my gosh.

Jack: Yeah, but that's nuts, bro.

Cristina: That is nuts. That's just like a mystery.

Jack: Yes, yes, it is. That is. That is precisely what it is.

Cristina: The cops don't do any more work. That's the end of their jobs.

Jack: I mean, what the are they supposed to. What do they think?

Cristina: The house, the car, why?

Jack: It's a heart attack. What are they supposed to do? The coroner said a heart attack. It's provably a heart attack. They're gonna be like, it was murder and someh. They caused the heart attack.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, no, they're just like, it was a heart attack. There's nothing beyond that point that they could do. The crazy cop that's like Dr. Housing it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He's like, this is a setup. I can feel it. I know the coroner's report says this, but in my gut, for whatever reason, I'm extra invested in this one random case, and I want to find out what really happened to this woman who was in the woods and died of a heart attack.

Cristina: So then what happens with the grandma? What does she do?

Jack: Panic? Her daughter died?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's not like she's thinking clearly anymore. Her daughter died. She's just like, my daughter died of a heart attack. She probably forgot. She's not connecting dots. Her daughter died.

Cristina: Okay. I guess, yeah.

Jack: Your daughter dies, your next thought is, man, this little girl has something to it. Or I gotta investigate the murder of my daughter, who they've told me had.

Cristina: A heart attack like, in some other faraway place, like, I don't know. You don't think she, like, was kidnapped? No.

Jack: You just gotta think, my. What the f***?

Cristina: She had a heart attack in the middle of nowhere.

Jack: Right? Right. So the logic here is she got kidnapped and then had a heart attack and they dropped her in the woods. That's the logic you're expecting your grandma to have? Maybe this little girl's not safe with that grandma. If that's where that lady's mind goes, immediately like, well, the cop said the thing, but I know more has happened, but, like, there's no evidence that more has happened. The pros told you, yeah, it was a heart attack.

Cristina: It was a heart attack, but she ended up so far away.

Jack: That's a f****** nut. But again, her daughter died. She's not over here, like, considering the distance, she's like, oh, my God, what a tragedy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, maybe afterwards, after the waters f****** calm down or whatever.

Cristina: Does she then tell her granddaughter, or is she living a lie now?

Jack: No, she doesn't tell her, Grant. I'm sure eventually she tells your granddaughter.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But immediately, it doesn't make sense. You gotta kind of strategize what to do with life. Your daughter's dead. You're stuck with your granddaughter. Your next move isn't, your mom is dead.

Cristina: Mm. No.

Jack: You got like, okay, let me damage control first.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I gotta, like, collect my emotions and I gotta, like, I guess I've adopted my granddaughter. Do you know the least of your concerns are, let me go tell my granddaughter her mom Is that. Then control her. I still don't know what I'm doing with this girl, but now I gotta worry about her emotions and, like, her mental stability, and she was already on edge.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, like you're not gonna say s***. You're gonna think about the well being of the child.

Cristina: Yeah. While you're having a meltdown inside.

Jack: That is what parents do. That is what grandparents, that's what adults are supposed to do. You suck it the f*** up. You keep your head down and you problem solve. Because it's not about you or your emotions. It's about that other person you're trying to raise into a functional adult. There's no way her immediate reaction is, oh, my God, your parents are dead, Bo. Your mom is dead. Your dad's dead. Everybody around you is dying. Oh, my God. You're gonna die too one day. Like, that's awesome.

Cristina: I'm gonna die.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What.

Jack: What's that from? I remember that. That was like scary movie or some, right?

Cristina: Probably, I think. Sounds like a scary movie thing.

Jack: Yeah. Your mom is dead. Your dad's dead. I'm gonna die too one day. Oh, my God, you're gonna die. It's just.

Cristina: Yes. I feel like that is one of those movies.

Jack: Yeah, it is, right?

Cristina: I can't making fun of that movie with the seven Days to Die scenario. You know, the one that if you watch the tape.

Jack: No, but I don't think it was out. I know exactly who the guy is saying it is.

Cristina: A kid who watched the tape.

Jack: I don't remember that part. I know the guy. He's. Who's saying it is the guy who was the brother of Char. Or not the brother, but whoever the h*** was Charlie Sheen's co star when he was the main character in Scary Movie. It was that one. It was that scary movie with Charlie Sheen and some other dude. Yes, I remember that much. Maybe that's the one with the ring.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. I'm pretty sure they own the farmhouse. That also. With the.

Jack: With the hole.

Cristina: Yeah, whatever. Yeah. Somehow leads all. All the stories are connected. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. But the grandma is definitely not doing that to the girl. No, that's definitely not happening. That feels like the wrong move when everybody. When it's. That feels like the worst move when it's true, you know, it feels like a good troll, but it doesn't. It doesn't feel like too tasteful when it's real. It feels like bad timing to just freak out like that. But now she just sucked it up and like a good old lady, she's like, I've adopted this child. Now we need to go to her home and get clothing and crap to stay permanently. I suppose.

Cristina: Yeah. Get all the stuff.

Jack: Get Stuff? Yeah. No, I mean, not all the stuff. Just clothes and like, toothbrushes and junk like that, you know. So she goes to do all that stuff. Collects clothing and crap. But while there, the little girl says, Hank's there too. And Hank, now, she hasn't told this little girl s***. Hank tells a little girl, and the little girl tells her grandma that he said he killed her parents.

Cristina: No.

Jack: The chills that this lady must have f****** felt at that moment must be indescribable. She hasn't said anything yet. And this little girl just said Hank said he hurt my parents. Not just hurt. He killed them.

Cristina: He killed them.

Jack: He killed him. Those are words he told her. These are the words she told. She used the words killed. That is in the report. That is what said.

Cristina: What does the grandma do then? Like, what does she think? Does she believe her now? Or does she think her child's not. Child's granddaughter's insane.

Jack: Well, she's horrified by the way there's. This was on the news. This isn't just a bunch of police reports. This was reported on the news because the. The granny. Eventually. I'll let you know. So this was informed to the police about what happened, that the little girl said this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Stephanie, then. This is where this, like, spins the f*** out. Stephanie explains to the police. Let me take a step back. Stephanie gets institutionalized shortly after this. And the girl gets put into a foster home.

Cristina: What?

Jack: After Stephanie went to the house to collect the things. And the little girl, Jackie tells Stephanie this. She gets institutionalized. Stephanie gets institutionalized. Because Stephanie goes to the police. And Stephanie tells the police what the little girl said, but she proceeds to give some extra details that we did not know until this point. She says that a long, long time ago, when her husband was alive, she cheated on her husband with a guy named Hank.

Cristina: Stop lying. What? Continue. Continue. Yes. That's so crazy. Okay.

Jack: And Hank happened to be a British guy. And she always believed and never told her husband that he. She always believed he was the father of Victoria, her daughter.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: She was convinced and kept this s*** a secret.

Cristina: Gosh. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. And then in explaining this, they're like, this whole family is nuts. And they institutionalize her. They thought she was, you know, dangerous f****** situation. Because at this point, she's talking about ghosts.

Cristina: Does, like, she know? Does she say what happened to him? Does she know?

Jack: No, she has no idea.

Cristina: Okay. But she's now believes the daughter because of the ex or whatever being the same ghost. Or at least that's what she thinks is Happening. This is her story. Her side of story is that she believes her ghost ex.

Jack: Well, now she's just, like, trying to explain anything. It's just like, I knew a guy named Hank or whatever, and blah, blah, blah. And it's just, you know, she's freaking out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, again, she. She begged the police to listen so consistently, she was like, please, come on. This is totally happening. This is true. Hank f****** killed them or whatever the h*** the story here is. He told the little girl, little girl told me, but little girl isn't telling. The cops told the grandma, and the grandma's on the cops and sounds kind of nuts.

Cristina: And they're not gonna question the girl about it.

Jack: They are. I mean, you can question the little girl about her imaginary friend.

Cristina: If they think she knows something about the murder.

Jack: They don't.

Cristina: They.

Jack: Why would an imaginary friend tell you information about the murder?

Cristina: Isn't that what the grandma is saying that happened?

Jack: Yes, but the cops are like, well, this holds water. Both the parents died of a heart attack. Let's review that.

Cristina: Oh, yes. It's not a murder.

Jack: There is no murder. You're looking for the weird, so you're seeing it. But there's no weird so far because.

Cristina: If it was a murder, they would still talk to the girlies.

Jack: Now there's a problem. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. But no, there's no murder. This grandma's just crazy.

Jack: This is a crazy grandma. Who said that? Her. Basically, she's spazzing the f*** out because she has crazy guilt.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's what they're saying. The guilt broke her. There was no murder. There's nothing suspicious. The coroner's report said it was a heart attack. So, yeah, this old lady gets put in an asylum and the little girl gets committed because of this crazy, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's a nuts story.

Cristina: So, like, the gram. Or for their. They think she just made up these stories. Do they think she made up the stories of the imaginary friend? Like, that's all.

Jack: Maybe her, maybe. I don't know. I don't know why they would ever report that. But. But maybe. I guess it could. I guess the logic would be she made up the stories because she got committed. But, like, I don't know. They. They weren't like. Also, we think, you know, like, we also believe she made up the stories that the little girl was telling us or telling her or whatever.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She made up all of it. Well, I guess that part. They think she made up all of it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, after this case, right, the old lady gets committed and Jackie gets Placed in a foster home where she claims to spent her time with Hank. This. The. The. This is where this makes the news. This lady, her friend or something explains that Jackie, through her entire time staying at the foster home, always talked about this guy named Hank who she spent time with, but nobody saw her spend time with. With. Now, she never pretended to be around anybody, but she would always talk about her friend Hank.

Cristina: Okay, wait, the person telling story is a friend of hers?

Jack: Yeah. So there's a bunch of this is pieced together by a bunch of crap.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And now we're talking about the news report that Fox had about 9 wondering why is there a report about this? So the news report that Fox had where the friend of her was talking and explaining that she was always talking about this guy Hank. But, like, we spent almost all time together. There's no way she knew a guy named Hank. And she leaves the foster home at 18, so, you know, taking contacts for too long. But on her 21st birthday, Jackie's found.

Cristina: Dead from her heart attack. No. I don't know.

Jack: In a forest.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Leaning against a tree. From a heart attack, according to Connor's report.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: What?

Cristina: That. What. Who pieced the story together if no one believed any of it, or I guess, like, afterwards. Because this friend at least heard stories about Hank.

Jack: About Hank. Yes, she knew about Hank. She didn't know who the h*** Hank was. She just heard about the guy named Hank. And then working backwards, they come across the information necessary to then claim all these things. So there's enough police reports, there's coroner reports, there's the documents that put the grandma in the asylum, and the grandma is still alive to ask questions to. So. Yeah.

Cristina: So did the grandma have more information?

Jack: Knew Grandma knew what she knew, and that was it.

Cristina: Oh, I don't understand. Like, this is supposed to be some weird ghost story, or is this a real person that's stalking a family?

Jack: I don't know. It's crazy, right?

Cristina: Yeah, because, like, I don't get it. Like, how are they dying from heart attacks?

Jack: That's the craziest part. The immediate thing I thought about when I was checking this out was like, somebody has a death note. Somebody. Like, how is everybody going off of a heart attack, bro?

Cristina: Yes. Walking into a forest. And. Yeah.

Jack: It's like somebody wrote the instructions ahead of time, and then it's like, just put the name a heart attack. How weird. It could have been anything else. They could have just all walked off a bridge.

Cristina: I don't understand. Like, why would. If this was like A ghost story. Why he would have this much hate to do all that? Like, did her husband murder him? Or something like that would make sense, I guess, as revenge. I don't know. Like, we don't know anything.

Jack: Yeah. The problem with the. When stories like this are real is that somebody's withholding information because they don't want to look bad. So maybe if this was a re. If this is a ghost story, if this is a ghost doing this, somebody had to do something to him, right?

Cristina: Yeah. Like, besides lying about. There's no way that that's the whole truth.

Jack: Yeah. That some, like, this old lady knows. Like, my husband died because he was killed by the guy because he went out to kill him in the first place or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah. Or he just killed the guy and then that's it. That's all she knows. Like, oh, my lover just disappeared one day after I got pregnant.

Jack: Well, interesting enough, she did say that she cheated on her husband with the guy, but never told the husband that she thought that was the father of the daughter. But did her husband not know or did he know?

Cristina: What if he did know and then killed the guy? Yeah. And this was his revenge.

Jack: Yeah. 100 it could be. But also, why would he kill his own daughter? Unless that wasn't actually his daughter? She only thought it was.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Again, she wasn't sure. She was convinced, but it.

Cristina: She was convinced. And maybe her husband was also convinced.

Jack: Yes. But maybe he just wasn't. And it's like, you killed me for nothing.

Cristina: Yeah. Whoa. That could totally be it. Who knows? But, like, yeah, if that was his daughter, why do this? Why? Murder. It's just too much murder to be like.

Jack: It's no murder.

Cristina: No. Well, whatever.

Jack: To this moment, there has not been a single murder.

Cristina: Suspicious heart attacks.

Jack: Yes. Ex absorbently suspicious heart attacks.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know. Like, if we don't count him in, then what is happening? How did they. Why and what the.

Jack: Do the woods have to do with anything?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or the forest. Whatever.

Cristina: Forest. Yeah.

Jack: Also, weirder question. Why is the mom all the way in California?

Cristina: Yes. How? Why?

Jack: Well, how? She probably hitchhiked there. But, like, what?

Cristina: Maybe Frank was from there. Who knows? I don't know none of that. Hank. Hank. Is it Frank? Yeah, whatever.

Jack: No, he was from England.

Cristina: Yeah, but he lived somewhere in America afterwards. Like, she met him in England.

Jack: Unclear. She dated a British guy and he worked at a lighthouse off the coast of England.

Cristina: Yes, but was she dating him there? I don't think so.

Jack: I mean, how would she date a guy Working at the lighthouse. Yeah, but I guess he worked at the lighthouse. It doesn't necessarily mean. No, it was off the coast. So he wasn't, like, on. On a f****** island, I guess.

Cristina: I'm guessing he vacationed in America or something. Yeah.

Jack: Like, how'd she meet him? You know, unless she vacationed. But no, this. Okay, so if we're trying to make this make sense, he had to come over here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Not the other way around. So she just had, like, a fling. Probably in California.

Cristina: Exactly, because maybe she was on vacation.

Jack: Maybe they were both on vacation, man. In California. Some s*** went down. Then she confessed to her husband. Her husband went over there immediately and off. The guy. Maybe. She was in vacation with her husband, obviously. And then, you know, wild night where he was just at home. She was, you know, I'm gonna go hang out at the bar. You don't want to come out, whatever. And, you know, things happen. Goes home with Hank or not even goes home. Maybe Hank rents a car. Something happens with Hank, and then she feels. Oh, well, the pregnancy I have isn't my husband. Oh, my God. Yeah, but it was totally. Was your husband. And then your husband finds out because you confess or something. Oh, honey, I'm so sorry.

Cristina: I thought she kept it a secret. I mean, she did keep a secret from her daughter, I'm assuming, because she just let it out after everything happened, but I don't know. Yeah, I think she probably confessed.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. To her husband.

Cristina: Yeah, Exclusively.

Jack: And so. So then the order of events were going by. Is lady lives in Oklahoma. She then has a vacation in California.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: By the Murdoch National Forest, actually. When her husband, for whatever reason, isn't with her and she happens to meet a guy named Hank, they have a fling in the forest. Yeah, that's where they f******.

Cristina: Oh, the plot thickens. Yes.

Jack: They f*** in the forest.

Cristina: And he probably was killed in the forest or his body was hidden in the forest after he was killed.

Jack: One of Holy. That's exactly what happened. They didn't f*** in the forest. They probably in the car parked by the forest.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: She explains to her husband what happened. Her husband goes and kills the guy, takes him to the forest. It just so happens to be the nearby forest. So both events take place there.

Cristina: Yes. And she has no clue what he's doing.

Jack: She has no clue that he did this. She just knows she confessed.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The end. That's her. The extent of her knowledge. Her husband did the rest, and he has no reason to. He's horrified that he did this. He's not gonna be like, I killed a guy and threw him in the forest.

Cristina: Yeah. That's a secret he dies with.

Jack: Yeah. They go back home. She's pregnant. She does not tell her husband that she believes that's the other guy's baby. But she does believe that the other guy's baby. Which is probably not the case. It's probably just her husband's child. She's just guilty. She feels guilty.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And all these other thoughts are associated with the guilt. Simple. Simple. One plus one equals two. Most cases. But sometimes it could equal one as well. But we're not gonna dive into this. Into the semantics of how math is kind of difficult to understand. So he kills a guy. She doesn't tell him. She thinks it's his baby. Totally not his baby. But this lady grows up, marries a guy named Jonathan, and then they have a daughter named Jackie. And then Jackie has an imaginary, unquote friend.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: For whatever reason, this guy is messing with this girl. I guess this spirit is just waiting. And then one day, the moment arrives and the whole scenario happens. So car by the woods where she probably f***** in the first place. The guy. Because it's just possibility. And then the bodies in the woods where her late husband had buried. Not literally in the first instance, but that's why the mom, the actual biological one.

Cristina: Mm. Is buried over there.

Jack: Not buried.

Cristina: Found over there.

Jack: Yes. Interesting enough, I wouldn't be surprised if the guy's body is beneath that tree. But they would have had no reason to look.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Also, that happened so f****** long ago. There's no sign on the dirt.

Cristina: Yeah. There's no way that they could piece that together.

Jack: Yeah. So it's just a dead lady.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But the guy who isn't her father is buried directly beneath her.

Cristina: Possibly.

Jack: What?

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: The idea here is that all of this happened, everybody in this lady's family died because of her f****** cheating on her husband in her first place.

Cristina: The ghost got his revenge by not killing her.

Jack: By not killing her. Letting her stay alive to watch all this. To know her family's dead.

Cristina: Yeah, like he really had it out for her.

Jack: Maybe she could. The problem is, maybe she could have stopped her husband. Maybe just not telling him would have been the right move.

Cristina: Yeah. Or maybe she has suspicious also that he did something to Hank and just never said anything. Like she's living with that guilt.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: It's way more than just.

Jack: Yeah, she could definitely have an inkling and, like you didn't avenge his death.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's Your fault he's dead. Yeah, like you didn't redeem yourself.

Cristina: But what if it has nothing to do with her story or whatever? Like, what if this girl did have an imaginary friend that was a ghost? Maybe in the house? Is that possible? I don't know. Like. But he has the name of the other guy.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes. The name is where this immediately becomes a ghost story.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If the name didn't line up, then it wouldn't be a ghost. And who he killed. Why wasn't it. Why didn't he just hurt the little girl?

Cristina: Why did he take all these steps? Like. But it feels like it also, it wasn't in his control either. Because you say he like, changed over time. He was friendly at first, and then he just grew more and more hateful.

Jack: And that's interesting, right? What's that about? That's also where it gets kind of creepy. The rest of it is. It's more of a mystery. Everything is mystery until you get to the silent hill aspect of the little girl. That one patch is like, what happened because he was just playing with her, which would then make you think, no, that is your daughter. That's your granddaughter. That's your granddaughter.

Cristina: Unless he didn't have all his memory and he was gaining it. And that's what's all the glitchiness. Not glitchy, but, you know, the odd.

Jack: Behavior that's somehow somewhere, some such is so horrifying. I don't know why that disturbed me. The fact that he's a ghost with no memories. And then suddenly the memories start coming. It's f****** twitching and.

Cristina: Yeah. And then the hate starts growing. But that's real hate that he had before he died. But he just didn't have it at the moment when he met the girl. I guess. Like it just formed.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting.

Cristina: Like that makes sense because he was playing with her. He was normal. He was like, whatever.

Jack: Yes. And then slowly, gradually, more corrupted, broken, more twisted.

Cristina: Yeah. Like that's very strange. Could it be because it. What does that even mean? A ghost gaining memories?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: How's that a thing like that means.

Jack: He was a goat. An incomplete ghost to some degree.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know. That's like.

Jack: And why focus on the little girl unless you're actually related? Related?

Cristina: You think? Maybe. I don't know.

Jack: If it wasn't, then he would have just focused on the old lady. But he didn't. In fact, the old lady was completely left out of it. That part right there makes me think that's actually the Victoria Is actually his daughter.

Cristina: Okay. Because he was around her. Well, sort of.

Jack: Daughter. He's around the daughter. Somebody in the family. As opposed to being around Stephanie, the grandmother.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That makes me think. Yes. And I guess it would hold. The story would still hold. So Stephanie and her husband go on vacation. For whatever reason, one night, she's not with her husband. She meets a British man named Hank, who happens to also be in a vacation. They're from Oklahoma, but they're vacationing in California by the Modoc woods. She has a flame in the car parked on the side of the highway with Hank. She does get pregnant by Hank. She confesses to her husband what happened.

Cristina: Yes. And he goes. Fine.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Hank. He goes find Hank. Kills him in the woods.

Jack: Well, kills him and.

Cristina: And then buries him in the woods.

Jack: Probably.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Could have killed him in the woods, could have killed him somewhere else. Regardless, he kills him.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And he puts him in the woods.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Then they leave. But she is, in fact, pregnant. She doesn't tell her husband that she's pregnant with his. The other guy's baby. He thinks this is his child.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But it's not. Fast forward. Hank's spirit follows the bloodline manifests to the little girl. His granddaughter.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because victorious. His actual daughter.

Cristina: It has to be. Maybe. But I wonder if she had an imaginary friend and the grandma just doesn't remember. But then again, she would have known. Like, this would have.

Jack: Like this would have happened already. Yeah, it would have already happened. There would have been. No, no, Jackie, no. Because Victoria is where it would have ended.

Cristina: Why was a heart attack?

Jack: Why would a heart attack. That's another thing that doesn't make sense. Because why wouldn't they just show up dead and then have no trace as a. Why, like, you know, like, only clearly murdered, stabbed to death, or, like, beat to death or whatever. But there's no trace of who did it. That would make sense. That's like. Okay, whatever happened to you, you did to them.

Cristina: Yeah. Unless he somehow died from a heart attack. Can you cause someone to have a heart attack?

Jack: I don't know. Maybe he hit him in the chest a couple of times, punch him in the chest repeatedly, and kill the guy by accident. Maybe. Maybe he went to beat the guy up, not kill him, and he beat the guy into having a heart attack. Maybe by hitting him in the chest, the guy dies. Then he goes ahead and buries the body in the panic. That's why this was never reported.

Cristina: Yeah, well, no matter how he did it.

Jack: But so the good. So Hank dies of A heart attack. And then he makes sure that the bloodline dies of a heart attack.

Cristina: Yes. Why kill the husband, though?

Jack: Yes. Because he's not related.

Cristina: It's not related. Yeah, but.

Jack: But keeping this in mind, maybe he sees Victoria and Jonathan as individuals that are mirroring what Stephanie did. Maybe they're not doing the same event. But he doesn't have a husband to take revenge out on. He has a daughter and his daughter has a husband to take revenge out on. Yeah, there's a husband somewhere.

Cristina: And I wonder how much the daughter reminds him of the mother of Stephanie.

Jack: Interesting. And then he's just. Yeah, it could totally be. It could totally be.

Cristina: It's just a weird build out. Like I don't feel. It doesn't feel like he planned it out from the beginning. Unless he. Maybe he did. I don't know. But then it's just weird. But we don't know the whole story.

Jack: We don't know the whole story because why would she tell us?

Cristina: Yeah, but I mean, like the little girl story too, of how he was friendly and then he just over times becomes a different person? Pretty much.

Jack: Well, here's what's interesting. The girl in the foster home isn't being tortured by Hank. Hank is just fine. It's just stories of being with Frank and spending time with him.

Cristina: That's also weird because she knows he killed her parents at this point.

Jack: Interesting. I wonder if this girl has some suppression problems going on, huh? Because it is traumatic. It's particularly traumatic. Your parents disappear, you got this crazy f***** tells you he killed them. Your grandma gets put away. You're young.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You just create a blockade.

Cristina: I guess that would be the only way because, like, how are you living with all this nonsense going on? This is nonsense.

Jack: Like, interesting.

Cristina: What? Like she had. Did she believe him? Does she not believe him? You wouldn't know. I mean, her friends weren't worried about it. They were like, ah, she has an imaginary friend. Whatever.

Jack: She's an immature individual. At the end.

Cristina: She wasn't seeing a therapist. Still during that time, I maybe, like.

Jack: She'S already been seeing a therapist, so it wouldn't be like, crazy.

Cristina: Oh, and there's no story from them.

Jack: Why this? It would be illegal.

Cristina: Oh, there.

Jack: There's probably a crap ton of notes that nobody's ever gonna see because that would be illegal.

Cristina: This is. It's just a weird story, man. She did it. No. How did she do it?

Jack: Anyways, that's the story of Jackie and Stephanie.

Cristina: How she killed her parents.

Jack: No, I don't Know how her parents died.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So interesting, though.

Cristina: Yeah. A weird case of random heart attacks.

Jack: Random heart attacks and a crazy old lady with crazy stories.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah, that's what it sums some.

Jack: Three heart attacks and a crazy old lady with crazy stories. Anyways. Anyways. Anyways. So we're totally way over the time here, but good. Bad, bad. Middle ground.

Cristina: Middle ground.

Jack: I think definitely not as horrifying as whatever the h*** happened last week at the Biovent is like, bro, that's horrifying. But this is just. This is just a weird.

Cristina: It's very weird.

Jack: It's very strange.

Cristina: It's.

Jack: It's probably just like.

Cristina: It's a bit icky. I don't know. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: And there's. Again, there's no murder anywhere.

Cristina: There's no murder, but it's very suspicious. Everything is like. It's not right.

Jack: It's not suspicious. It's very. Yeah, it's just not right. Right. There's just something like. This is weird.

Cristina: Three heart attacks. No way. In the forest. No way.

Jack: Yeah. And all of them in the same.

Cristina: Exact way in different forests. None of them in the same forest. Nope. That's very weird.

Jack: That is weird. Anyways, Anyways. Anyways, if you guys enjoy spooky stuff, we got two other episodes right before this one that are strange circumstances that.

Cristina: Have happened in life, and we have other episodes. Episodes. Older episodes.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: About weird, strange, real events.

Jack: Yes. There's a bunch. And not just real, there's a bunch of just like mythical crap that's weird, too. And like a bunch of horrifying creatures everywhere. There's a plethora. We. We kind of circle horror often, although we don't word it in horror kind of ways. There's a lot of creepy we talk about when you think about it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And you can find all that on the podcast platforms. Any of them. And if there's one we're not on, like, I don't know, send us a message. And you could actually send us that message on Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram @justcomfopod, as well as find a bunch of clips and crap there.

Cristina: Awesome. And remember to subscribe, rate, and review the show.

Jack: Word of mouth, incredibly important. So, you know, if you. I guess that's not even word of mouth, but. How do I put it? If you rate the show, though, it's the equivalent of word of mouth, I guess, because we move up, you're telling.

Cristina: People, hey, but if you review it, aren't you doing the same thing?

Jack: Yeah, if you rate it, you bring us up and you're like, hey, worth looking at. And if you review it, you're literally letting people know. Letting people know with words. Although not words of mouth. It's words of keyboards.

Cristina: Yes. Words of keyboard. Yes. Okay. I let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Thus insert the word of mouth.

Cristina: Yes. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal. Thanks for listening. Bye. And these penguin guards, what are they? They're just. They're just guards.

Jack: They're guards. There's some sort of chimera of some sort or some man made creature. Maybe there's. Maybe there's birds and penguins over the. I don't f****** know, man. I don't pay attention. Yeah, we're. Our job is inside the.

Cristina: Inside the wall. Yeah. That's why we don't really travel outside the wall.

Jack: Yeah. There's no reason to.

Cristina: Yeah. Everything is in here. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. So that's definitely, you know, that's what's happening there. And the reason that it's connected to Martin Luther King is actually that Martin Luther King, he had to communicate with the people from the other side of the wall to get help to establish laws that would help inside the wall.

Cristina: He had to do that.

Jack: He didn't directly. Basically, Martin Luther King would have secret meetings with President. What the h*** was his name? Lynn? Lyndon.

Cristina: Lyndon.

Jack: Lyndon Johnson. Yeah, President Lyndon Johnson. Martin Luther King would have special meetings with President Lyndon Johnson. This is fact secret meeting. Some of them were recorded unknowing. And these meetings took place because, you know, as, you know, world leaders communicate with higher ups and the chain goes all the way to the top of the Illuminati, top of Freemasons, top of government, all these things that usually manage from outside the wall. And so he needed to talk to the president to get messages from the president to the overseers and overlords on the other side of the wall to then get resources sent back so that we can, you know, they would have advice, they would send people to help and black neighborhoods need help or whatever. And so people would show up that like, where are those people from? But, you know, so much help, we're not gonna question it. And it's because people from over the wall are showing up to help.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. This podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

October 22, 2022

Rambling 197: Bioventus Strange Mystery

October 22, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

What happened at the Bioventus Research Facility? What experiments were being run in this facility leading to the incident? Was there some paranormal activity taking place? The duo unpack the most baffling paranormal incident in recent history reviewing police reports and a play by play of events following witness and victim logs. One of the scariest, most confusing episodes of the show to date. The conclusion might be spookier than the event!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Classified Experiment
Science Logs
Strange Illness
Flashing Lights
Ghostly Apparitions
Paranormal Circumstance
Alien Observations
Missing Person
Murder Suicide

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And today. So, you know, it's October and everything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Last week we had a really weird story. Also, I'm holding. This is the creepy. The creepy stories voice. So last week, by mere chance, I happened to locate. Now, I knew roughly about the. The super deep borehole, but I didn't know it got so weird. You know, everybody's heard about the story of the.

Cristina: Heard about the sound.

Jack: Yeah, it's like. And every. You know, superstitions and blah, blah, blah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The usual stuff that happens in life when something odd happens, but like, when you really investigate the superstitious and like. Oh, no, it's just, you know, urban legend that quickly fades and then you just got really weird information left.

Cristina: It's so weird. It's hard to imagine that that's a real story.

Jack: I'm sure a lot of it is bullshit. Like, you got to understand now, all the things that happened are real. But again, I'm sure that a lot of it is just people speculating on things and a lot of superstitious individuals making the reports.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: You know, so you put a bunch of religious people in a place, even if they're scientists, you know, the religious aspect of our humanity seems to always kick in. And these things that always seem to jump in are conspiracy theories and monsters and aliens and, oh, this and that and all this. The f****** hole to h***. Allegedly.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But like, no, it was probably, you know, we. Some creature we've never seen is somehow developed down there. And it's not a monster or a demon or anything. It's just some creature. Anytime we go to the very depths of the ocean, we find weird s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why wouldn't this be the same case?

Cristina: Mm. You know, it's possible.

Jack: So the reason I talked about that story last week was because, you know, Halloween's coming, time to get into the weird s***.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And I had the intention of, you know, finding some other science related thing to talk about to, you know, this is something science can't explain. But in trying to find something science couldn't explain, I just found something that science wasn't even involved in or directly involved in. They just happened to be scientists.

Cristina: I don't know what you mean. Like, it's a discovery.

Jack: No. So the super deep borehole is a science experiment. It's science that we can't explain what was ha. Like science can't explain what was happening in the science experiment.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Or they did and they just never showed us.

Jack: Yes, exactly. Exactly. This isn't science experiment or science can't explain it. Nobody has tried to be scientific about it because it's so random. So allow me to begin by introducing to you Ollie Austin, PhD, Stephanie Ramirez, PhD, and Gerald Larson, PhD. Three scientists. That's as sciencey as this is getting. Okay, now I'll give you some background information. All three scientists work at a place called Bio Ventus.

Cristina: Sounds sciency.

Jack: Some sciency place. And they're science y people. It makes sense. My rabbit hole deep dive for science weirdness was checking out so far.

Cristina: Okay, so is this like a lab in Raccoon City or something?

Jack: No, I wish. That would definitely have been more along the lines of what I was looking for, but this is definitely more along the lines of Halloween. I supp. So all three scientists, now they all work in the same building. None of these three scientists know each other. It's a huge facility and they all have their own respective labs. The only commonality between these three individuals is that they are in their respective projects. The scientists tend to stay late. They're the hardest working of their teams or whatever. They don't know each other. They are totally opposite sides of the building.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Okay. Let us begin. This story takes place through their logs. I guess I'm not. I don't understand why they all have logs. I guess the facility requires anybody to log everything they do, I guess for science journal purposes or whatever.

Cristina: These are real logs.

Jack: These are real logs.

Cristina: People making things up.

Jack: No, no, no. These are logs by these scientists.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes. Yeah. So they're not like random people made these up. These are in certain reports by the facility. And these are all traceable logs that the scientists have made as part of their ritualized log keeping or whatever.

Cristina: Okay. Does it matter what kind of scientists they are to the story?

Jack: No, because the story has nothing to do with science. This is again, my search was on point until the story started to unravel.

Cristina: Is this the murder mystery? Should I guess?

Jack: Allow me to get through it.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: Okay. So on July 10th of 2012, a late night as usual for all three scientists. This is all according to their reports, and they all report at this very night a series of strange sounds. Now they're all coming from the hallway and they are all totally opposite sides of the building, but they all report directly Outside their door, strange sounds. They're unclear about what these sounds are.

Cristina: Okay. None of them actually look out their door. They just report the sounds.

Jack: It's unclear, based on these reports, whether they look outside. Okay, so we just know that they said, oh, strange noises outside, and the rest just continues as normal. Because they're supposed to log every step of everything they take. So every. Any item they use, any tool they use, any chemical they mix, every. Every time they walk across the thing to touch anything.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because all of this factors in to whatever the h*** they're working on. So they log that there was strange sounds, and then the log continues as normal. Now to clarify it, and then the scientists were working together or even on.

Cristina: The same project, but they're on the same floor.

Jack: Unclear. I know. They're opposite sides of buildings of the building. They could totally be one on a different floor or whatever. They're just not together.

Cristina: Okay, but the sounds is coming outside of their room. Not outside. Like, outside the building?

Jack: Yes, directly outside their door.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: All of them report that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes. Okay. Now, what's weird about this is since it's coming from their hall directly outside their door, and they're all opposite sides of the building, none of them report it came from the. You know, it didn't come from outside my window or whatever.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Presumably, the sound is coming from the dead center of the building.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Except somehow it's loud enough to hit all of them to the point that they think is directly outside your door. Yeah, but it happens at exactly 8:32pm.

Cristina: That'S not even that late.

Jack: It's late as h*** for somebody to still be at work. If you work nine to five.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: That's like, almost four hours into your work. Overtime.

Cristina: It would be more scary if it was in the ams.

Jack: Okay, yeah, whatever. Not the point.

Cristina: What happens next?

Jack: We'll find out. So 8:32, everybody reports that at this very moment, strange, anomalous, undistinguishable something sounds are happening. So the guy on the left says it came from the right, the guy on the right says it came from the left. The guy in the front says it came from the back, and the one in the back said it came from the front. There are only three people, but you get the image I'm trying to build. There's a location that it seems to be coming from, except it's equally loud. So, like, maybe it was outside of all their doors simultaneously. Now, they all put the. Put the sounds in their log and the following notes. The following notes after the sound were really weird and identical for all three scientists, which was they all felt dizziness, they all felt nausea, and they all felt, following the dizziness and the nausea, the eeriest feeling like they were being watched.

Cristina: I don't understand where the story is going.

Jack: I told you it's strange. And stop trying to anticipate it because it's not gonna go anywhere you'd ever expect. Really a hundred percent. The story is going nowhere. You think? Okay, it is too strange.

Cristina: Is it a sci fi story? At least.

Jack: We'Re gonna find out along the way.

Cristina: Okay, Okay.

Jack: I suppose my telling you would answer this.

Cristina: Okay, continue the story.

Jack: But again, they all logged the sound and they all have exactly the same notes following it. Nausea, dizziness. And I felt like somebody was watching me.

Cristina: Weird, okay?

Jack: Very, very weird. Now at this point I don't know what the f*** is happening because again, it be. Now I'm thinking alien abduction type of s***, right? Like it's totally going in that direction.

Cristina: But it's not.

Jack: We'll find out whether it is or not. Okay, but it's definitely how it feels. So far.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It a hundred percent feels like aliens are in your building and there's something that's causing the like nausea and the like dizziness, you know, alien radiation or you know, whatever the f****** people would make up. Like I'm sure if just up to this point, like people. The problem is, I know factually that people have made a thousand conspiracy theories stopping at this point, like ignoring the rest of it. They're like, well, clearly the rest of it is just a result of this. Aliens did that and then they hallucinated.

Cristina: The rest of it.

Jack: Yeah, you know, so that's immediately what I stumbled upon. So I'm like, oh, interesting. Let me dig deeper. But those fell apart quick because they literally just stopped at that point. They chose to stop at that point, but the story didn't stop at that point. They made conspiracy theories choosing a point that the story ends essentially. They're like, well, yeah, it was all aliens from that point, but let's, let's decide whether it's all aliens at that point.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Now this event began on July 10. So the scientists have daily logs that continued to get kind of weird and erratic following the events.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: On July 24, all three logs reported an extremely bright flash of light appearing instantly and disappearing from the hallway outside their respective labs, all simultaneously.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Weirdest part about this is they all reported that it happened at 8:32pm okay.

Cristina: What is happening at 8:32pm I don't know.

Jack: But this, it's already like, what the f***?

Cristina: And it's like a blink of a second. Like it's instant.

Jack: It's like, what, just a one shot and then it's gone.

Cristina: And then. Do they feel horrible again?

Jack: Well, following this, they didn't report that they felt any. Like, that never was mentioned again. The dizziness and the nausea.

Cristina: Okay. What?

Jack: Yeah, it was just like the one instant following the sounds, but this time it's a light and there's no report of like any sickness or anything. Okay, now like, what is happening there?

Cristina: And how many days is this after.

Jack: You said 10, and then this is 14 days later.

Cristina: 14 days later. Okay. Does it even matter the length of time? I don't know. Well, continue. Sorry.

Jack: I totally relate. Like, I, I don't know. I don't know. I. It's. You gotta understand, I'm baffled as h*** about this because I'm a very science minded person, which was the point of looking for weird sciencey things. And all I did was find scientists that are like reporting on s*** that just continues to break down. And I'm like, okay, so all of you essentially are describing alien abduction setup.

Cristina: Yes. Still sounds like it.

Jack: Dizziness, nausea. Next you got lights?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Like it's an alien, bro. It has to be, right?

Cristina: I don't know. Where's it?

Jack: And like the conspiracy theories land there. They're all saying aliens. Maybe. In fact, some of the conspiracy theories suggest that on the first time this happened on the 10th, that all three of them were abducted and that anything following this point was either fabricated by the aliens or them under control of the aliens. So they continued the reports just. Nor they continued going through the motions under alien control.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or that these are all hallucinations you're experiencing because of the alien experiments. Yeah, there's a plethora of things, but again, we're approaching this from a scientific. We're trying to be scientific. Even if everybody else who's looked at this immediately went into like tinfoil hat territory.

Cristina: It's hard not to.

Jack: It is so hard not to. Because of how immediately it looks like aliens.

Cristina: Yes. Especially when it's happening at the same exact time every time it happens directly.

Jack: Outside each of their door. Yeah, like that's, here's, here's the problem with this. If they all reported it directly outside their door, but there was a minute, two minutes, three minutes difference between one moment and the other, like one report and the other, then we'd be like, well, something is traveling the building no. Yeah, but it's instantly at the same moment everywhere.

Cristina: So it seems like they're being adopted. Aducted.

Jack: Abducted.

Cristina: Abducted, yes.

Jack: Well, let's find out. So on July 25, this is 15 days after the initial and one day after the bright light.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Totally different amount of time.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: All three reports say a female scream echoed through the halls of the facility at the same time at exactly 8:32pm.

Cristina: Okay, we have a sound, but you don't know what the sound is. It's just some weird.

Jack: Some. They couldn't describe it. It was too foreign to them.

Cristina: Was there a color to the light?

Jack: Just a bright white flash.

Cristina: White flash. And now a scream.

Jack: Now a female scream that they claim echoed through the facility. Now, both Ollie and Gerald investigated immediately. They just jumped into action. Somebody's in the building getting hurt.

Cristina: Okay, cool.

Jack: They ran the halls and did not find a female at all. Also, this is the first time these two scientists meet because they're like, they couldn't. They corroborate the fact that they both heard the s***.

Cristina: Oh, crap. So are they all three gonna meet in the story?

Jack: Find out.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: So they meet and they find nothing. They got, you know, I'm assuming they got like a. A buddy cop story or. Not buddy cop, but, you know, like, buddy story. Yeah, we meet in the thing and we go on a flashlight adventure of finding where the scream came from. Who's the guy behind the mask? Scooby, Help us. So, you know that kind of s***. Except they find nothing. They're like, well, I guess somebody played an audio clip or some s*** really loud. But, like, bro, you're way over there. Yeah, dude, you're way over here. So the reports essentially claim that they met each. Because they have to report everything. So the reports claim they met each other and they heard the same sound and they looked for it. And I guess they came to the conclusion that maybe somebody, before leaving the building, played an audio clip or something or was listening to something weird as they walked around the building that allowed both of them to hear it. They don't understand themselves why it happened at exactly the same time at this. Different sides of the building. That's also included as, like, a weird cliff note of like, okay, that happened for real. I guess I'm not going crazy. The other guy said he heard it.

Cristina: Yeah, but do you know if they talked about the past events to each other?

Jack: No, that was not mentioned at all. I do not know if they discussed this. They. They put just the details that mattered about the event. That happened that night.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then meeting the other person. Okay, that night. Now, while these two guys investigated and they found nothing, the following day, the female, Stephanie Ramirez, was reported missing.

Cristina: What? Wait, did she. She did not write about the woman screaming.

Jack: She wrote about the woman screaming. All three wrote about the woman screaming. Talk about the woman screaming.

Cristina: And then the next day, she's just gone.

Jack: She's just gone. She was never found again. Let me clarify. There was no body to this woman. There was no trace of this woman. This woman ceased to f****** exist that day. Never found again.

Cristina: But she wrote about that. And then she wrote about the rest of her work. Like they would go back and finish their job. Or did she disappear the moment she heard the woman scream?

Jack: No, she heard the woman scream. She continued her work. She did not go investigate. Yeah, she continued. She finished her night, and that was it. And that's the last we ever heard of her. That report. Exactly.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: What the h***? Because you think woman scream. Okay. She yelled because they, too, went to investigate.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Except no. Her report also had a female screen.

Cristina: Yeah. What is happening?

Jack: You see how this is quickly breaking down?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If it was that, this is the moment that I dropped the alien shtick. Because if it's aliens, it was her screaming. It would have been her screaming. Also important detail.

Cristina: What?

Jack: These are the only three people in the building other than janitors. This is a fact.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: This is all. Everything in this building is monitored at all times. This is why the LODs are important.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Everything is monitored at all times. Janitors all walk where there's cameras. What's weird is, in later interviews, the janitors were questioned about the event. They got no. They didn't hear s***. They didn't see s***. This is not happening to the janitors.

Cristina: They have cameras everywhere, though.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Did they see her leave?

Jack: No. The cameras are not allowed in the lab rooms. The cameras are in hallways, which is why the janitors aren't allowed in the rooms. They're only allowed in the hallways.

Cristina: But no one saw her leave the room.

Jack: No one saw her leave the room.

Cristina: She finished her work and then disappeared in that room.

Jack: Disappeared in that room. She never stepped outside.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Let me also clarify. Not every inch of everything has a camera on it. Like, there's not a camera aiming at her door.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: You know, there are many cameras to make sure people don't leave with s***. There are many cameras making sure people don't enter private, like, classified areas.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But there isn't a camera in every inch of the building. Because a lot of it is.

Cristina: Well, that's really hard to imagine that someone like, knew where all the cameras were to sneak around and grab her or some crazy.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. They would be caught somewhere. Yeah, one camera caught them. But the weird part is the fact that no janitor ever heard s***. No janitor ever saw s***.

Cristina: But this isn't where the story ends, is it? No.

Jack: Now there's story keeps going.

Cristina: Oh my gosh, it's crazy. Sorry.

Jack: So, yeah, this lady was never found.

Cristina: Wait, this is a day after the scream, right?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She's reported missing the day after the scream. Presumably she went missing the day of the scream. Yes, that's the. The conclusion to be made here now. Okay. On the following day, the day that the scientist lady is reported missing, the day Stephanie is reported missing, both Ollie and Gerald are still working late. They always work late. That's their thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Both of them report a female scientist roaming the halls crying. And both of them immediately try to chase and find out what the f*** they think. That's the same voice they heard before screaming. The screaming voice. Now there's a chick crying and they see her when they run outside. Unclear. At the distance, turning the corner.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They get to the corner too quick for her to go anywhere and there's nobody there.

Cristina: And they write that down.

Jack: They put that in their logs. They have to log everything.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now in both of these cases, the corner had a camera. Okay, around the corner. And all you see is the scientist guys is the scientist guys rushing to the corner and nothing more. But both of them put the same thing at opposite sides of the building.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. What is happening?

Jack: H*** is going on?

Cristina: I don't know. It sounds like aliens and ghosts. I don't know.

Jack: All at the same time.

Cristina: All at the same time.

Jack: Yeah, all at the same time. Look, I have no idea what the h***'s going on. Not even. Not even a little. Again, I don't know what to think. Sci. Is it a sci fi f****** problem or is it a paranormal issue?

Cristina: And they still go to work late after this point.

Jack: Well, it's their job. They gotta. Because they're science minded. They think there's explanations.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: In fact, Cliff notes with theories in their logs.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: As to maybe I inhaled chemicals from what I'm working on.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And it's causing the hallucination again. They don't. Other than the one scream time, they don't like really go into detail. They're working on things they don't tell each other. All the details. So they don't know that the other person experienced the whole array of things. They just know the one thing. That's it. So they don't realize there's no way that guy inhaled the same thing you did that could you both hallucinating the same thing. That doesn't check out. That doesn't check out. That makes zero sense.

Cristina: No, no. But they don't know.

Jack: They don't know. So they just think you know some. So first I heard the thing and maybe it was real, but maybe it was just something small again, like music or something. But I'm hallucinating. I am experiencing a form of distress that's leading my brain to exaggerate certain things. Maybe the working consistently at nights is causing the. Whatever, blah, blah, blah. They're trying to rationalize it.

Cristina: Yeah, but did they watch those cameras or was that something that happened after.

Jack: That's way later.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's way later.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So again, they both go and investigate this woman, and there's nobody there. She's just gone around the corner.

Cristina: Okay, before you get to the next part though.

Jack: Got you.

Cristina: The cameras don't hear anything, don't see anything.

Jack: The cameras have no audio?

Cristina: No. Oh, they don't have audio.

Jack: Just video.

Cristina: Video. Okay. They didn't see the flash then the.

Jack: Flash never showed up.

Cristina: They just see these men running.

Jack: They just see these men running around the corner.

Cristina: That's it. Okay.

Jack: And both halls, the cameras around the corner.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Neither of their doors is visible to a camera. But the corner that they took off in, which also now that you bring this up, why did she happen to go in the direction both instances that there's a camera? Weird. I did not think about that before, but now I'm thinking about like she turned basically the identical corner, opposite sides, building.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So that they would both be visible around the camera. What a weird coincidence. I didn't think about that before, but that's very ghostly.

Cristina: Like she's still. She's doing the same thing at the same time.

Jack: It would be very ghostly if it was in the same spot.

Cristina: Yes, that's true.

Jack: It. So it makes me so much more uncomfortable that this happened in two sides of the building. Because it would just be ghost story if it was in one spot.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that's way easier to digest.

Cristina: It's two spots.

Jack: Yes. This story makes me so uncomfortable because of like the middle ground between science and paranormal that's happening.

Cristina: Okay, what happens next?

Jack: Well, following these events on the 28th.

Cristina: That'S what like two days later.

Jack: No, actually this is the 27th. Yes. So they both saw the female roaming, crying, chase to investigate, whatever. And the next day on the 27th, the same event happens here.

Cristina: Lady scream.

Jack: They see and they hear crying.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Except this time only Ollie investigates. He's still like, there's. There's something weird, man. He's getting f***** with. His head is not right. He's like, dude, I gotta see. While Gerald continues to work. He's like, I am clearly losing my mind. It is the late nights doing this to me. I'm just gonna put my head down, keep working and ignore it. July 28, Gerald is reported missing. And he is never f****** found again.

Cristina: He's the one that stayed working.

Jack: He's the one who kept working. He is never found again. There's no trace of this person either.

Cristina: It's like ghosts are trying to help them escape the aliens. Or something.

Jack: Something, something is f****** happening.

Cristina: Trying to get them out of the room.

Jack: It's trying to get them. Yes, that's my same conclusion. Exactly right. That's my exact conclusion. There's something trying to get them out because whatever is in the room with them is worse.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's a f***** up story, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't know what's happening. And it's. It's legitimately scary. I'm telling you. Like, this is an uneasy situation. I don't easily get scared. I was looking for science and I found just something really uncomfortable. Really ridiculously uncomfortable.

Cristina: Yeah. This is so crazy.

Jack: And it's like I don't. I really don't know what to think so far, man. Because it feels like you go outside and you're safe.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: If you don't, you're just gone.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The very first instant somebody's gone. The only person who didn't investigate. Everybody continues investigating regularly. They're perfectly fine. But the moment they stop, gone without a f****** trace. What the h*** is happening?

Cristina: I don't know. Okay, so what happens next? Cuz there's one more guy. I'm assuming there's this pattern forming. He's gonna disappear. Right.

Jack: Well, first I want to really just try to understand this. There are patterns, but let's review the events. We hear a female scream and we have Ollie and Gerald go and investigate. They see nothing. Or maybe they investigate. I have. No, no, see, here's the problem. Unless we have to assume. We have to assume they investigated the first time and just didn't report on that. But they have to report everything they do so they wouldn't.

Cristina: You Said they did investigate the scream. I thought the only one that didn't investigate the scream was a lady.

Jack: Was that. Okay, so they did investigate the scream, Right?

Cristina: Yeah, they did.

Jack: No, because I know they all heard the scream.

Cristina: They investigate. They didn't. The first thing that happened was some sound. And they didn't investigate the sound.

Jack: Yes, that. My bad. That's okay. That's what I was trying to get to screw the scream. The sound. Yes. You see, this is my point. This is immediately f******. Because I'm trying to wrap my head around all of it. The sound. None of them investigated the sound?

Cristina: No.

Jack: None of them were missing or they all investigated the sound, didn't report on it. But they have to. That's sort of the rule here. They have to report on it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because everything else is reported on. We have to assume everything is reported on. The fact that there's no. Say I left my room and looked.

Cristina: Yeah. They just heard a sound, didn't investigate. Saw light, didn't investigate.

Jack: And nothing happened to them other than the first time with the sound. Them getting sick.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the pattern. There's no real pattern here.

Cristina: No.

Jack: It feels like there is. And then like really you look at it and there isn't. Because nobody investigated the sound. As far as we know.

Cristina: But that's probably why they got sick.

Jack: Why didn't anybody missing?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: And why didn't the sickness ever get mentioned again?

Cristina: I don't know. That's true.

Jack: Why? Why do we have two missing people without a trace? But then before. No. Unless it's the fact that all three of them didn't. Maybe one at a time. Because that's what happened with the scream. One of them didn't and then went missing. Then following again. One of them didn't and went missing. It's the only pattern we have. Whatever's taking them couldn't, in theory take all of them simultaneously. It could only take the straggler.

Cristina: Yes. So that means the guy that's by himself. There's no way.

Jack: Because he's the only one.

Cristina: Because he's only. Unless he runs out if something weird happens again. Unless nothing weird is gonna happen.

Jack: But also the facility is compartmentalized. Other than them running and crossing paths, they don't know s*** about anybody else.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So they're not even getting filled in about this other crap. They don't know what the h*** is happening. They don't even know this other chick is just missing.

Cristina: They must know that.

Jack: No. It's a really top secret part of the facility, they work on really secretive stuff.

Cristina: So some secret experiment is on the loose.

Jack: I mean, I guess it could in theory be that, but it doesn't seem like they're working on some kind of creature of any sort. It seems like, you know, maybe medicine or some s***, and they're just not revealing what it is.

Cristina: I don't know, like, the place in Resident Evil was doing medicine.

Jack: Yeah, but these reports are, like, full reports. They would be talking about, oh, the creature got out or something. Like, somebody would know.

Cristina: Oh, someone else would write that.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. It would make sense to some. Like, at some point, Something like somebody would be like, oh, well, we're not gonna talk about this because, you know, it was the f****** monster we made.

Cristina: Yeah. Just.

Jack: Just erase the thing. So nobody knows, you know? But the logs are still there. There were people confused, trying to investigate, even working there.

Jack: But, like, what the h*** is going on? Then we have an instance of sounds. What the f*** are the sounds? None of you could determine the sounds? Okay, whatever. So some sound sounds, strange sounds. Literally one of the quotes is strange sounds. Like, that's as much as they can get your scientists. What the h***? Yeah, strange sounds, okay, but dizziness and.

Cristina: Nausea, how would that happen?

Jack: And, like, all three of you, how would that happen? How the f*** was the sound then?

Cristina: It was, I don't know, strange enough to get them sick. What?

Jack: Interesting enough. I wanted to investigate the sound and found kind of a lot of stories about people feeling nausea and dizziness in different scenarios following a strange sound.

Cristina: Oh, my God.

Jack: Unrelated to this, just some whole other. I was like, what kind of sounds could cause that? And in typing, like, okay, sound that can cause dizziness and nausea.

Cristina: So it's a common thing?

Jack: Well, no, it's just all other weird.

Cristina: Oh, it's just weird stories?

Jack: Yeah, it was just weird, like, Reddit stories and s***. People like hearing sounds and then, oh, I'm sick suddenly. But these professional scientists all kind of wrote the same thing in, like, an official log, which then makes me question, like, these people on Reddit aren't that crazy. Maybe they really experience that s***, and we're just over here like, you're a f****** nutjob. But then these scientists are like, no, that really happened.

Cristina: But we can't even compare the sound with because we don't know what the f*** the sound is.

Jack: Weirdly enough, in these Reddit f****** stories, the same instant, a totally anomalous, indistinguishable sound leads to the nausea and dissonance.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They cannot tell what the sound is, but neither can these scientists. But the result is the same sickness or something. Yes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: My question is why this and then no result? And why the flash and no result? The only pattern is one of them didn't get involved.

Cristina: Yeah, so far that seems like the only pattern.

Jack: Yeah, but also, let's say ghosts. Then what the h*** with the sound and what the h*** with the flash? That's so alien.

Cristina: I don't know. Are you sure? I feel like if we investigate some.

Jack: Ghost stories, we'd find flashing lights and weird sounds. Yeah, probably. Yeah, yeah, yeah, probably. But then the problem with a ghost is the echo nature of it. It shouldn't be in three places at once. It should be in one spot repeating the same s***. Yeah, that kills the ghostliness.

Cristina: That's very strange.

Jack: Creepy a** story, right? Yeah, it's so messed up. Okay, so on the 28th, Gerald is reported missing and he is never heard of again. His report, just like Stephanie's, ends with him working, finishing the workday.

Cristina: That's it?

Jack: That's it. Just no more Gerald.

Cristina: Whoa. What's happening? Doesn't like you would expect that it would happen instantly, but no, they still finish the day off like nothing.

Jack: On the 29th, nothing. Nothing happened.

Cristina: Nothing happened.

Jack: Nothing happened. We have a bunch of days back to back, and then they have nothing.

Cristina: How long until something happens?

Jack: The 30th. Two days later.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: On July 30th, a police report states a call came from Bioventus facility from an Ollie Austin claiming that the power to the building. It's a science facility, very important. It has backup generators.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The power to the building was cut off. Should not have happened to the entire building.

Cristina: To the entire building.

Jack: To the entire building. And then he was attacked. Everything got pitch black. Dark, dark, dark, dark. He can't see s***. And he was attacked.

Cristina: He told them he was attacked.

Jack: He told them he was attacked. And his lab was destroyed, but nothing was stolen.

Cristina: He lived, though, or did he disappear?

Jack: He's totally fine. He was just beat up.

Cristina: They got there, but the lights were working, weren't they?

Jack: When they got there, the lights were fine.

Cristina: The lights were fine. So he imagined it. Not imagined it, but what he was experiencing. The rest of the building wasn't like all the other events.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: These events are just happening to him.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes. Because later questioning of the janitor's report, none of this ever took place. Yeah, they didn't experience anything.

Cristina: And there's no way to know if there was anything in that room that destroyed it. It just Looks like he did it.

Jack: Yes. And the cameras, again, that did exist at no moment cut off and did not see any power outage.

Cristina: Okay, I didn't see him being attacked or anything, but he was in the room while it happened.

Jack: He was in the room while it happened?

Cristina: Yes, while it happened. He didn't hear a sound or flash or anything.

Jack: No lights go out. Something f***** him up.

Cristina: And the whole room.

Jack: Yeah, something destroyed that room. S*** was thrown everywhere and broken everywhere.

Cristina: But when they investigate, like how he's hurt and whatever, does it look like he did it to himself or does it look like he was attacked?

Jack: It looks like he was attacked. Okay, now because here's the craziest part about this. Why the. Why his work?

Cristina: What is his work?

Jack: What is his work? At no point is it specified what his work is. Again, there's a bunch of classified s*** happening in there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now we come back to what you were talking about. I don't think something broke out, but definitely they were working on something maybe they shouldn't have and something with much more power decided, this is probably a bad idea. Now I kind of come back to aliens. But then, what the f*** is with the crying lady? Now the sounds and the flashing lights are just aliens. Like, stop f****** doing what you're doing. But then what's up with the lady? Yeah, and if they're all working on different things, what the f***?

Cristina: Why are they being attacked?

Jack: Why did two of them go missing? And why was his lab destroyed?

Cristina: Yeah, but does he end up going missing? Is this the end of the story? This isn't.

Jack: No, this isn't the end of the story. He's perfectly fine other than getting beat up. I said he's totally fine.

Cristina: He's still gonna work late, though. After this moment, he's like, yeah, whatever. I survived. I'm gonna continue working late.

Jack: Sure, why not?

Cristina: What?

Jack: Sure, why not?

Cristina: Sure, why not?

Jack: Yeah, of course he didn't go back to the building. What? Of course. That's crazy.

Cristina: Okay? Wondering, like, all these other events and he was like, whatever, I' continue working.

Jack: Yeah, but now he got. He has physical proof.

Cristina: Okay. And then he finally stops.

Jack: Yeah, obviously no human after that point is gonna be, like, nuts. Totally in my head. I'm going back to my facility. What is he gonna work on if his s*** is destroyed? Yeah, what is he going back to? Nothing. There's nothing. There's nothing. It's all destroyed. His lab is destroyed. He got beat up. There's no reason for him to go back. Except he does. But not Even the work. Because on August 3, a police report claims that.

Cristina: What did he do? He burned the building. Now.

Jack: Well, he called claiming he was being followed. Oh, yeah.

Cristina: And his. Before he got to the building or when he went back to the building? Like, why did he go back to the building?

Jack: Well, that's unclear until we get to August 4th, where there's a police report claiming that they got a call from Bioventus, from one of the janitors. Okay, this is where this breaks down so hard, and I'm traumatized.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: So Ollie Austin is found dead. He's not missing. He's found dead.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Totally mutilated, but he did it to himself. He's covered in blood, and his notes are written on the walls, crazy person style, okay? In scientific notation using both pencil and blood. And his own blood, of course. Yep. What the f***?

Cristina: And the two other bodies? No, there's no.

Jack: There's no other bodies.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Like, I thought eventually they'd find those bodies.

Jack: No, no, no. I said specifically. These people were never found.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They were never found. They cease to exist to this day.

Cristina: I don't understand why he was different.

Jack: I don't understand either. I don't understand why any situ. There's no pattern.

Cristina: There really is no pattern.

Jack: There's no pattern. Random horror s*** going on.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What the f*** is happening in this building, bro?

Cristina: Yeah. Did anyone piece what he was writing or whatever?

Jack: It's just his notes. It's just the work he was doing.

Cristina: Just work. Oh, okay.

Jack: Just the work he was doing what?

Cristina: In his room, though, in the hallway? Like, where was he found exactly?

Jack: He was found in his lab.

Cristina: In his lab, which.

Jack: There was no reason for him to go back. There was nothing in his lab. It was all destroyed.

Cristina: When he was being followed. He was calling from the building, though.

Jack: I'm unclear on that. It just says that. There's a report saying that he was being followed. I think headed towards the building.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: We're leaving the building. I'm not entirely sure it was the previous day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, Ollie's last log from this night claimed to have met a fellow scientist.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Again, this story makes me so uncomfortable. Keep in mind, there's no reason for him to be in the building.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's no reason for him to make a log.

Cristina: But he does.

Jack: But he does. On the fourth, he makes a log like nothing happened. Normal. Just normal. Everyday thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Ollie's last log claims that he met a Stephanie Ramirez in the hallways and that was it. That's the lady who went missing.

Cristina: I know that. I know that, but. And.

Jack: And they both searched for the source of a scream. The end.

Cristina: The end.

Jack: The end.

Cristina: That's such a horror story.

Jack: So he met somebody who was missing that he had never met before.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Looked for a scream with her. With her. That is very similar to what he experienced with Gerald.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: He doesn't report whether you found anything or anything. It's just. He's just found f****** self mutilated dead. There's nobody else of these two individuals ever found. Janitors experienced anything. Camera' caught nothing. The end.

Cristina: It makes no sense.

Jack: Incredibly uneasy. This story makes me.

Cristina: That's the end of the story.

Jack: That's the end of the story. There's nothing else on this.

Cristina: I don't understand.

Jack: I don't understand either.

Cristina: And people still work at this building. This building's still a building that's being used to do stuff in.

Jack: Yeah. So on official reports, this is put down. Now the two missing people are again, there's no body, there's no nothing. There's different claims. There's no death.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So whatever. Scientists working on crazy s***, they run away all the time. Maybe they're working on something they shouldn't have. Whatever. So these reports are easy. The Ollie one, you know, scientist loses his mind, you know, takes his own life type s***. Okay, so none of the other scientists who also don't know any of the other scientists other than the people who work in their respective labs have anything to fear about coming back to work. It looks on paper like scientists down the hall working on something crazy went crazy. Typical science. Okay, the people, this, Ali's personal team, they have their own notes. They just rebuild and work.

Cristina: Okay, well, but like after this, no one stayed late in that building. These are the only scientists who ever stay late in that building.

Jack: There were other scientists that stayed late around this period. Is just these three people.

Cristina: Just these three people that experienced these events?

Jack: No, it's just these three people who are single at the point where these events were happening.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: July and August of 2012.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Only these three sciences were regularly sting late.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: And obviously before and after crap ton of scientists, I'm sure have stayed late. But there's nothing if they have, there's nothing related to this.

Cristina: I don't understand what this story is.

Jack: I don't either. The fact that it's so unclear is what makes it horrible, horrifying. We can't just be like, oh, it's a ghost. That's what's scary about the story.

Cristina: I don't. Yeah. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, it's. I don't know where to point. I don't know what to think. That's what makes it so uneasy. Was it aliens? Was it. Was it ghosts? What the h*** is going on?

Cristina: Yes. Like he sees the girl and she's like, hey, I heard that sound too.

Jack: Yes. What now? Who. What the. Is the girl sound? What's the screaming woman thing?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: So many parts. Flashing lights, anomalous sounds, screaming. Two missing people and a person who hurt themselves after they were attacked and the lab was destroyed. What is the line that cuts through all of this?

Cristina: Is there an. I don't know. There's no explanation.

Jack: Just random s*** that happens for two months.

Cristina: That's so weird because there's other people there too. The janitors, you say? And nothing.

Jack: The janitors were in the building late.

Cristina: Yeah. And nothing.

Jack: Nothing.

Cristina: What could have happened?

Jack: And the theories just conspiracy nonsense. And the official explanations are for this, for Ollie is that scientists went crazy. And for Stephanie and Gerald are they potentially ran away because they're working on some thing that they shouldn't have or they stole data to go sell or whatever the case because it's again, a bunch of classified stuff. And this kind of stuff typically happens where somebody takes a thing. You could sell it for a crap ton of money. Just leave the country, give to like China or something. There's a bunch of that going on.

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know. This is such a weird story. So weird. No good explanation.

Jack: No good explanation.

Cristina: What? It's just so weird. Just trying to understand the story is hard.

Jack: Yeah, it's weird and choppy. There's no, like, what does this have to relate with that. Yeah, that's all we need to do in this.

Cristina: This. Holes everywhere.

Jack: Yes, exactly. If. If one thing was consistent.

Cristina: The time is consistent.

Jack: The time is consistent. But what the h*** does that mean?

Cristina: Does that mean.

Jack: What the h*** does that mean?

Cristina: Alien.

Jack: What is 8:32? Well, no, the time is very ghost. Aliens do crap at the same time. Ghost do, because echo, it's the same thing at the same time. That checks out with ghost and the like crying lady. Very typical ghost s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Even the scream. We could chalk off the ghost s***.

Cristina: Yeah, a lot of it is ghostly. But at the same time. No, because it's all happening at the same time.

Jack: Yes, but like, I think this leans harder to ghosts than anything else too.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like we have to say we have to break some ghost rules here. In order to keep a ghost. The fact that it's not an isolated direction, but rather somehow outside everybody's door. I don't know why, but it's. It's the case.

Cristina: Yeah. Just a ghost that's doing the same thing to everyone around it first. But only specifically these three scientists.

Jack: Yes, because that's weird. Yes, because the janitor's there too.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And a ghost wouldn't give a. With somebody working on. Yeah, like, unless these things led to somebody's death. Interesting.

Cristina: That could be something.

Jack: And then this is a revenge ghost. But again, all three. It breaks down because all three projects are different.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: They aren't working on the same thing.

Cristina: But it only happens in the room.

Jack: And it only happens in the room. Nothing happens outside the room.

Cristina: Except when he met Stephanie. That was outside the room.

Jack: Yes. And when they followed the girl around the corner. Yes, that happened inside the room.

Cristina: They saw her, but they weren't in the hallway at the same time as her. At least I don't think, like they saw her turn that corner. But they weren't, were they? Did they?

Jack: Okay, fair enough. Fair enough. I'm assuming they saw her turn the corner, but they actually saw her walk past her door and they run outside. And there's only one direction she could have gone around the corner.

Cristina: Yeah. So it seems like so far everything.

Jack: Has happened from inside the room.

Cristina: Yes. Except for that last part.

Jack: Unless they never left the room.

Cristina: Unless he never left the room.

Jack: Unless he never left the room.

Cristina: Which makes also sense.

Jack: That means he's going crazy in that room. Which would also explain the self mutilation. And he tore apart the room.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So the assumption here is none of this is happening. All of this is in their head. Easy to say ghost. Easy to say alien because you don't need anything else. It's all in their heads.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But then the problem again, everything has. There's a hole being poked by the story at all times. Yes, because what the h*** happens to the other two?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Why? What decided who gets taken and how? So if none of them really ran outside, because it's all happening in their heads, why did she go first? Why did he go second? Why didn't he go at all? There's like, rules and the rules break themselves.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. Like, some of it makes sense, but then. Yeah, it doesn't make sense, really.

Jack: No, it doesn't. This is probably the most horrifying thing I've ever read because of how confusing it is. It's kind of like when you first watch Paranormal Activity without knowing that it's totally bullshit.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And you're like, what the f*** is happening? It can't.

Cristina: It feels like it's happening in their rooms, though. But it's weird because none of their rooms are next to each other, either exact. Well, that's the only explanation. It's just something that's in the room.

Jack: Yes. Now, when Geralt and Ollie ran outside their rooms. Here's the problem. They logged that and they talked to each other. They met the other person.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Alternatively, maybe they f****** didn't because Ollie met somebody who's been missing.

Cristina: That's true. So they might not have met each other.

Jack: You see why this story immediately gets even more uneasy?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then if he didn't meet Geralt when he ran outside and Geralt didn't meet Ollie, what the f*** did they see? Because it's just as likely that it wasn't. Because, again, Ollie met Stephanie, who's been missing. So you didn't really need Stephanie for Ollie to meet Stephanie, which means you don't really need Geralt for Ollie.

Cristina: They might not have ever left the room.

Jack: Never left the room.

Cristina: It's just like that's where their mind took them. If that's what's happening. But who knows?

Jack: But, you know, they could have just been going crazy and there's something making them go crazy.

Cristina: Whatever that first event was that made them feel sick.

Jack: Yes. Interesting angle to take, because maybe there's some toxin in the building. But again, the problem is it's. Janitor. Yes. Maybe there's vents. No, because it would lead everywhere. Vents would lead everywhere. Why would the vents only lead to their rooms and not to the hallways?

Cristina: That's true. Maybe this is some revenge story. Maybe there is this evil scientist guy who's like, I gotta get rid of these scientist people.

Jack: It could totally be. It could totally be that they are being poisoned. Because again, it seems to be happening in their rooms.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So something could have been put in their rooms. But then why three different scientists working on different things? These three scientists must have had a connection to one individual.

Cristina: Yes, because they are working with each other. Even if they're not really working with each other, they're.

Jack: They work for the same company.

Cristina: Yes, that's it. Yes. But there's gotta be some connection. They know each other. Not know each other, but, like, by. Like, I know this scientist who knows that scientist who knows that one who knows you.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: They have connected in some way.

Jack: Yeah, like seven degrees of separation.

Cristina: Exactly. So there has to be someone that knows all three of them.

Jack: I guess. But then what's up with that?

Cristina: I don't know. Because we still have two people that are missing.

Jack: Yes. We got two people that are missing. This story is messed up because a guy met somebody who's missing, which takes away. No. Okay. No, it can't be. It can't be. It can't be. And I'm gonna tell you why this is broken. We're not even thinking about it. And it's the most obvious part. How is he gonna go crazy and report the exact name of somebody missing who he's never met?

Cristina: He has to have heard about the name. There's no way he didn't hear about the missing people in the building. Even if he doesn't know those people, there's no way no one was talking about the missing people.

Jack: Okay, let me break this conclusion for you. How did Gerald meet Ollie and Ollie meet Gerald and they report having met each other.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You see the problem?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There was nobody missing out of those two.

Cristina: No.

Jack: They were in the building at the.

Cristina: Same time they were.

Jack: And they allegedly met.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: According to their own notes.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they confirm each other by name. Did they not meet? And how the f*** did they get the name? Right. But that means they did leave the rooms. Unless they didn't. But how the h*** did they. So then we're back to ghost. How is this ghost pretending to be the opposite person being in the room? And like, what's happening in the room?

Cristina: Or if it's aliens and they're not really in the hallways in those moments, but like in the spaceship next to each other. They just don't know it.

Jack: Oh. Oh, I didn't think about that at all. This is during the abduction. The whole everything is happening in the building is also part of the illusion.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They made up the building in your mind after they took you out of it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or before they took you out of it. They project the building. They take you. You don't realize you're gone. And maybe you're connected to a Matrix esque thing that's showing you the building.

Cristina: Man, that kind of makes sense.

Jack: Yeah. So then we're back to. You see how crazy this is? And it jumps from aliens to go back and forth and it's like we don't know what the h***'s going on.

Cristina: Well. But the alien ones kind of make sense. Yeah.

Jack: Now we're starting to ground it a little. Right? Yeah. We're bringing our job. Look, the Internet has struggled with this one, we're bringing it home.

Cristina: But they brought it to aliens, too.

Jack: They brought it to aliens. Yeah. That was the main conclusion. Everybody went to aliens.

Cristina: It's hard because. Yeah, like aliens. Because, yes, they. They're doing more than just taking you to their ship. They've got. If they got technology to have a ship in the first place, they can have an illusion.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. They can have a super. So the fact that they traversed space at all, they have a super sophisticated projection that could convince the f*** out of you, there's no question.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They need enough energy to traverse space.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They can convincingly project the universe.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They have to be able to. That's way less energy. It takes way less energy to do that. You just gotta fool somebody's senses. That's it.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. So.

Jack: And maybe the weird sound and the weird flashes are. Because Maybe it's not a. Maybe it's not a perfect illusion.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: These are just the cracks.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The glitches here and there.

Cristina: Yeah. And the lady screaming could have been stuffing it. She just didn't know.

Jack: Yes. Yes. And somehow the feedback came back to her too.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Because she's also in some weird. Whatever they're in. In that moment.

Jack: Yes. Yes.

Cristina: Feel right? I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. Well, point is, the s*** makes me hella uneasy. It's so weird. It's a very horrifying story.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What, and it had nothing to do with science?

Cristina: No.

Jack: This story was me trying to replicate the cola. Super deep borehole. And, you know, weird science crap, I can investigate. But no, it didn't take me to weird science crap. It took me to scientists experiencing weird crap.

Cristina: The weirdest.

Jack: The weirdest, weirdest crap. And also, no. It's so tame. But something about the tameness is more horrible.

Cristina: It builds up to something horrifying.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah, it definitely escalated with time.

Cristina: Yeah. Like that ending. What?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Also the missing people and, like, haunting itself.

Jack: Why did he meet a missing person? Why did he meet a missing person? Why did he paint the walls with his equations? That's another, like, weird. Like, what, dude?

Cristina: Because he was still working. I guess it makes it feel like aliens. Feels like he.

Jack: He's on autopilot.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh, there's nothing in the lab. So he's still working. Malfunction. That's so much scarier, bro. Like, his body is still. But that means he's still in the room and not connected to some s***.

Cristina: Yeah, because he malfunctioned. They put something in him. They investigate that body okay, so the.

Jack: Theory here would be the events happened of him getting abducted and whatever. And then they put him back. But they put him back broken. And then he continued to work on nothing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And covered the walls with his blood and pencil notations of all his equations.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because he's broken now.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And he killed him. I don't know why he killed himself in the process, but. Because he's broken.

Cristina: Because he's broken. Yeah. And they probably killed the other two. I don't know why. Or maybe they're not dead. No, because he saw her. So he might have saw her. Seen her when he was up there with them.

Jack: Yes. So they're just missing. They got abducted. Why didn't he? Why was he useless?

Cristina: Because he was broken. That's why they put him back. And then he killed himself.

Jack: There was something already wrong with him that they could tell.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: While the other two. There was nothing wrong with them. They could keep these. These are the good hosts. Let's keep them. That guy's no good. Return him, and then that whole thing happens. Yeah, I guess. I guess it checks out to some degree. I guess the Internet figured it out then. Tin foil hat was the way to go.

Cristina: Yeah, maybe.

Jack: I mean, it's the closest.

Cristina: It's the closest. I guess. Like, it's just such random.

Jack: Yes, it's. But if we talk glitch. And so the first couple of instances are just a. Faulty. They're establishing. They're starting to establish the signal that's gonna trap these people. That's why nobody went missing initially. You know, there's a couple of days between one point and another at the beginning, and then. Okay, consecutive days of crap happening, and the aliens are consistently picking at them, and then. Oh, no, that one's faulty. We can't seem to work around his problems. Leave that guy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The other two people must have been fine. But also, why do you need one at a time? Why is it only the one who stayed behind?

Cristina: Why is the only one that stayed behind?

Jack: Yeah. When she stayed behind, she got abducted. When he stayed behind, he got abducted. But then there's only one person. He's the last one. Did they want the people who didn't give a f***? She only got taken once she stopped. Well, she never gave a f***.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Or was too scared to do anything. And boom. Scooped up the other guy when he investigated. Nothing. But when he didn't. Gone. Why is it necessary that they don't? There's so many f****** holes, man.

Cristina: Maybe he was just not ready. Maybe they were Experimenting on them and like it didn't really matter who came first or not. Like they could have done it all at the same time.

Jack: It just happened to be coincidence that she stayed, then he stayed.

Cristina: Yeah, but maybe. I don't know. It's so weird. I don't know. There's so much weirdness happening.

Jack: Yep. So that's the Bioventus missing person's case.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: What? Not even that long ago, huh?

Jack: Not even that long ago. 2012. Well, 10 years ago.

Cristina: 10 years ago. Yeah. But stuff could happen like that again in that place. There's gonna be another scientist who's gonna stay.

Jack: There have been scientists who stayed late. Oh, this has only happened in that period, then over again. And some of this is piece from police reports. So. Yeah. Interesting.

Cristina: No, very interesting.

Jack: Very strange and very horrifying. One of the few things that has made me uneasy and it's because it's hard to like follow, sit together. It's so problematic.

Cristina: There's a story there. It's just like, what?

Jack: What is. Yeah, there's clearly a story. What is it? You know, that's real question.

Cristina: It's really happening. Is there something really happening?

Jack: I don't know, but yeah. So what do you think? Crazy, right?

Cristina: That is crazy. I don't understand.

Jack: Neither do I. So look, you've got a couple of creepy things here and there, you know, there's my breakdown of my personal creepy experiences relative to Clinton Road and trying to understand that and like bubble universes and whatever. So you can find all that stuff. We've got. There's a. Actually this is right up our alley. There's a bunch of horror s*** all over the place and a bunch of like weird instances and crap everywhere and creatures and like whatever you find all of that. All that. And if you need clips and crap, if you want to talk to us, you want to ask us questions or you want to have a converse, maybe you know something about this. Like, fill us. Fill in the blanks for us. You can find us to have those conversations on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram at justconvopod.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe and review the show.

Jack: Yes. Do all those things. Mainly review the show. Leave us some stars.

Cristina: Yes. And emojis. Always ghosts.

Jack: Yeah. Or alien.

Cristina: Or alien. I guess. Whichever you think happened.

Jack: Yeah, I guess I don't even.

Cristina: Ghosts coming out of alien ships. I don't know. Yeah, it's both. Alien. Ghost. Yeah.

Jack: And you know, let someone who might like the show know about it. Tell them, tell them if they like weird mysteries, if they like solving mysteries. This is like the mother of mysteries, bro.

Cristina: This is an unsolvable mystery.

Jack: This is unsolvable as h*** because there's too many parts missing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We literally don't have witnesses. We have footage saying none of this has ever happened. We got people in the building simultaneously who didn't experience any of it. And once the people left their rooms, they also had nothing to claim. Yeah, only while in their rooms. So, like, there's too many pieces missing. But if your homies like to solve mysteries, this is up there with, like, big problems to solve that you say like Bigfoot.

Cristina: Okay, I guess that's.

Jack: That's an overpowered mystery that no one has ever solved.

Cristina: Yeah, solve that one, too. This has been the right rambling podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks for listening. Bye. Tiny.

Jack: It's about the size, relatively speaking. Our actual planet size is about the size that Puerto Rico is to Earth is all we are to all of us. To the entire planet. Yes. So what Puerto Rico on our maps is to our observable planet is the size of the us to the actual planet.

Cristina: Man, I wish I could see that. That's a really ridiculous picture.

Jack: Crazy visual. Yeah. But it's more or less that same. It is a globe we're on. Like, the Earth isn't flat, it's round.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But the part of it that we exist on is quite arguably pretty flat, considering how much you got to go before you hit curvature, because it's so.

Cristina: It's so tiny.

Jack: It's a small section of something huge. So the curvature is so vastly flat that you wouldn't be able to tell.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

October 24, 2020

Rambling 107: Fun Halloween Activities

October 24, 2020/ GreyThoughts.Info

Halloween, The Just Conversation Podcast, Radio, Show, Spooky, Serial Killers

What’s the darkest thing that’s ever happened on Halloween? Our Halloween Special is filled with scary stories of horror and death!

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The duo plan an exciting Halloween night with a list of fun activities to participate in. They discuss Halloween decorations, the best kinds of candy for children, exciting sleep overs and maybe even putting the toolbox to some use. But things take a dark turn, as all Halloween things do, and the stones they turn over are more terrifying than they could have ever imagined. Find out how on this episode of Just Conversation.

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